Re: BBC Radio 1 Essential Mixes

I don't want all teh Emos to post comments on like how Boys Noize is amazing and the best mix and how DnB is the best music ever.

Really not interested. I don't need Coachella to tell me what good dance music is.

But one thing I will say is, it's very biased, as there is a lack of old skool hardcore and happy hardcore and considering those styles of music made so much money and were so popular in the mid 90s, there should be more mixes like those.

I mean, in 1994 I don't think anybody was listening to Evil Eddie Richards if I'm honest. The frickin Hot Chip of of the early 90s.

Hardcore/Happy hardcore has to be some of the worst garbage on the planet, go to fuckin Germany for all that Gabber House/hardstyle/Hardcore crap, those germans love that shit. You need to realize you don't live in the 90's and you might just want to stop going to events, unless you want to go to one of those lame candy kid partys that still play that hardcore shit for lames like you. You could even be the 40+ year old weirdo kicking it hitting on the rolled out/K'd out 13 year olds, imagine how much fun you could have.

Originally Posted by guedita

I like when Pete Tong says, "everybody in the UK make some noise!!"

But yeah, I think these are best for drives and working out to, too.

They are the best for people like me who work on computers all day, pop 4 essential mixes onto a playlist and you are set for the whole shift haha.

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Originally Posted by Distorted_Jungle

Hardcore/Happy hardcore has to be some of the worst garbage on the planet, go to fuckin Germany for all that Gabber House/hardstyle/Hardcore crap, those germans love that shit. You need to realize you don't live in the 90's and you might just want to stop going to events, unless you want to go to one of those lame candy kid partys that still play that hardcore shit for lames like you. You could even be the 40+ year old weirdo kicking it hitting on the rolled out/K'd out 13 year olds, imagine how much fun you could have.

Originally Posted by Donaldj

When Luna talks about Hardcore from the early 90s he isn't talking about Gabber which is what most people consider Hardcore. He's talking about the origins of rave music and stuff like early Prodigy, Altern 8, SL2, Kaotic Chemistry, Austin, Human Resource, Kicks Like A Mule, Sonz Of A Loop Da Loop Era, Acen etc. Labels like Suburnban Bass, Production House, early XL, etc. This style of music went by a lot of names, Hardcore, Rave, Hard Breaks etc. It was pretty much one of the reasons EDM took off across Europe and American tried to capitalize on this in the early 90s by releasing a string of the big anthems. There was a time when every major label in America had a sub label releasing this stuff over here. Now what we call Happy Hardcore from the late 90s is pretty wank. I totally agree.

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Originally Posted by Donaldj

When Luna talks about Hardcore from the early 90s he isn't talking about Gabber which is what most people consider Hardcore. He's talking about the origins of rave music and stuff like early Prodigy, Altern 8, SL2, Kaotic Chemistry, Austin, Human Resource, Kicks Like A Mule, Sonz Of A Loop Da Loop Era, Acen etc. Labels like Suburnban Bass, Production House, early XL, etc. This style of music went by a lot of names, Hardcore, Rave, Hard Breaks etc. It was pretty much one of the reasons EDM took off across Europe and American tried to capitalize on this in the early 90s by releasing a string of the big anthems. There was a time when every major label in America had a sub label releasing this stuff over here. Now what we call Happy Hardcore from the late 90s is pretty wank. I totally agree.

I guess that makes sense I got into EDM in 1996...don't know much about later "hardcore" , just the shit I heard was trash back then

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This is something I actually released to a Prodigy fansite about 2004 or so. It was Liam Howlett from The Prodigy doing a guestmix on a radio station in Dallas in early 1993. If you want an example of Hardcore from back then, this is it. It makes me happy to see this is all over the net 6 years later, haha.

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Originally Posted by Hopeless Semantic

If there was a Frank Lucas of DnB links, Donald would be him...

Donald is not only the Frank Lucas of the board, but also the resident Buddha.

Originally Posted by Bud Luster

All in favor of an Underworld / High Contrast US co-tour say "AYE!"

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It's true. I had a fucking huge argument with a collection of douchebags on here several years back about whether or not the UK was basically responsible for 90 plus percent of all the good EDM from 1990 through the early 2000s. I couldn't fucking believe that people actually thought they could argue the point.

Never really checked much into the early 90's Hardcore being as the modern day shit is terrible, like i said ^, Hardcore to me is people like Ron D Core. I love breakbeats, so if you say it's pretty much breaks i should enjoy it.

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All the hardcore i heard in the mid to late 90s was absolute shit. That includes all genres. If this hardcore you guys say was good in the early 90s was actually decent, why did it die out within a few years. Lets just agree that luna has bad taste in edm and hardcore died a much deserved death.

Originally Posted by juloxx

Shut the fuck up you pussy. If you dont get down with Westside Connection you have no credibility in the music world what so-ever. Get off these forums you *** *** and go bump your N'sync

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Originally Posted by LunaVC

I don't even know what Ron D Core is.

Guess I've been skooled

wasn't trying to school you, i don't really know shit about hardcore so i couldn't school anyone. i was just saying that i didn't know hardcore was different than it's current state in the early 90's and i was going to download some of the stuff off the site you suggested and give it a listen to see if i liked it.

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Originally Posted by Monklish

You should read better.

pretty sure this is what he was referring to.

Originally Posted by LunaVC

But one thing I will say is, it's very biased, as there is a lack of old skool hardcore and happy hardcore and considering those styles of music made so much money and were so popular in the mid 90s, there should be more mixes like those.

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People need to understand that early hardcore, we now refer to as "Old Skool" encompasses different styles of music including:
4 Hero
Prodigy
FSOL
Nightmares on Wax
SL2
Ellis Dee
Rennie Pilgrem was a member of....Rhythm Section and Rennie is big in breaks.

Could list more, but you get my drift. Even Go by Moby gets played at Hardcore raves that are 199-1992 specific.

And in 1995 hardcore (happy) would get mixed with Jungle/DnB.

The music split in 1992 and totally became different genres after that around 96.

1995 Jungle and Hardcore were both excellent. Haven't been the same since.

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Andrew: Hardcore split into a bunch of different genres, Jungle, Happy Hardcore, Breaks etc. This all started happening about 1992/93ish. Back then Hardcore was all breakbeat based like Luna stated. It died out partly because of the huge amount of press and airplay it got in the UK especially. It's hard to believe but this stuff was actually charting on the radio and selling huge amounts of records. Labels like XL who later went on to become proper labels releasing MIA, The White Stripes etc in the UK all started out as Rave labels who made a shit ton of money early on. There were also a lot of political things going on in the time such as the Rave law act that tried to ban and stop all outdoor parties. The music tried to distance itself from what was the pinnacle of the rave scene at that time.

Originally Posted by Hopeless Semantic

If there was a Frank Lucas of DnB links, Donald would be him...

Donald is not only the Frank Lucas of the board, but also the resident Buddha.

Originally Posted by Bud Luster

All in favor of an Underworld / High Contrast US co-tour say "AYE!"

"Real Drum & Bass is not something that sounds like a 17 year old rock band who have just listened to Slipmatt on their first E & decided to make Drum & Bass" - Marcus Intalex

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Originally Posted by djandrews25

All the hardcore i heard in the mid to late 90s was absolute shit. That includes all genres. If this hardcore you guys say was good in the early 90s was actually decent, why did it die out within a few years. Lets just agree that luna has bad taste in edm and hardcore died a much deserved death.

The reason it died out is that it split into jungle and happy hardcore.

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Like what I am saying is, teh Essential Mix started off as bollox cos in 1993 no one was listening to Pete Tong playing commercial dance like Happy Clappers.
They were listening to Doc Scott and stuff like that.

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Ok, so im understanding that hardcore split off into genres of music that today arent anything like hardcore at all. So basically for lack of a better name for a genre, they called everything hardcore.

Originally Posted by juloxx

Shut the fuck up you pussy. If you dont get down with Westside Connection you have no credibility in the music world what so-ever. Get off these forums you *** *** and go bump your N'sync

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Nah, most people call this stuff Old School or Old School Rave. I still call it Hardcore Breaks which is what we called it back then in Dallas. I happened to know what Luna was talking about when he said Hardcore because A) he's English and the right age group and B) we got into a big argument a year or two ago. I think he would concur that Gabber or hardcore coming out today is total crap.

Originally Posted by Hopeless Semantic

If there was a Frank Lucas of DnB links, Donald would be him...

Donald is not only the Frank Lucas of the board, but also the resident Buddha.

Originally Posted by Bud Luster

All in favor of an Underworld / High Contrast US co-tour say "AYE!"

"Real Drum & Bass is not something that sounds like a 17 year old rock band who have just listened to Slipmatt on their first E & decided to make Drum & Bass" - Marcus Intalex