I just thought that it would be of interest to DM forum members to actually see and hear Stuart's best friend from the Art College (and ex Dissenter), Rod Murray, since he does not do many of these documentaries, as far as I know.

Believe me, I would have edited out myth-spinner, Allan Williams, if I had the tech savvy. Just posting that un- edited video took several tries.

Yes, Larry Parnes was gay and there was a large gay presence in the business side of the music scene. In liverpool, for instance, Brian Epstein, Peter Brown, Joe Flannery and others.In the meantime, here is a piece I wrote about Allan for the Encuclopedia:WILLIAMS, ALLAN. Born in the Merseyside area of Bootle, he was a Liverpool coffee bar owner when he first became acquainted with John Lennon and Stuart Sutcliffe in 1959. The two were among some art students who frequented his Jacaranda Club in Slater Street. Shortly after he

Yes, I'm aware of that. But does that mean we should abandon telling the truth? I've found in some cases that the truth is better than the myth. I know that people generally don't care about the mistakes that occur in the Beatles story, at least, where facts in their biographical history is concerned - such as the ridiculous assertion that they got their name from the Marlon Brando film - but you get a few facts wrong about their recording times, recording dates, or songs and you will have hordes of angry people descending on you!

Yes, I'm aware of that. But does that mean we should abandon telling the truth? I've found in some cases that the truth is better than the myth. I know that people generally don't care about the mistakes that occur in the Beatles story, at least, where facts in their biographical history is concerned - such as the ridiculous assertion that they got their name from the Marlon Brando film - but you get a few facts wrong about their recording times, recording dates, or songs and you will have hordes of angry people descending on you!

I totally agree with you. In fact, something similar happened to me regarding The Beatles and Spanish guitars. There were stories circulating out there telling that John Lennon owned a Ramirez guitar, and the fact is, until now, no Ramirez guitar has been seen in John''s hands, judging from pics and other relevant documentation, something which is not only important for me, but for Amalia Ramirez (=i.e., the actual owner of Ramirez shop in Madrid) herself...

Yes, I'm aware of that. But does that mean we should abandon telling the truth? I've found in some cases that the truth is better than the myth. I know that people generally don't care about the mistakes that occur in the Beatles story, at least, where facts in their biographical history is concerned - such as the ridiculous assertion that they got their name from the Marlon Brando film - but you get a few facts wrong about their recording times, recording dates, or songs and you will have hordes of angry people descending on you!

the group on the brando movie were the beetles......chino told johnny... That's better Johnny. You know I miss you. Ever since the club split up, I miss you. We all missed ya... you miss 'im? yea. The Beetles missed ya. All the Beetles missed ya. Come on Johnny, let's you and me go inside and have a beer...

It's December, 1959. He and Stuart help each other carry their massive paintings from Gambier Terrace all the way to the Walker Art Gallery to enter into the Second Moores competition. Stuart's entry is a huge dyptic, so after making two trips, they have to go back to the flat for the second panel. Instead, they get waylayed by a pal, for a few beers, and never make it.

And the thing is, the partial painting gets noticed by Mr. Moores' son. And then purchased by his dad as a gift for him. This is the stuff of legends.