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:'( and yet they call themself expert. EXPERT of turning their back on all of us being stupid and idiot buying GM vehicle. At the end GM say go Sxxxx yourself. > :banghead: We asked for help from GM who is making million in second and they again turn their back on us GM vehicle owner. How sad. I email and plead to GM that this is my family only vehicle and have them highly consider of helping me because it is the HOLIDAY and my 2008 Saturn Outlook transmission went out. GM told me to go Sxxxxx myself. :help: :'(. The rich get richer and the poor like me and my family get hurt and step on. hno: :'(. I will continue to call and write to GM until something get resolve. :angryfire:

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We have a 2007 Outlook which has no "guts". We hear a clicking or feel a "dropping" in the right front side as we go accelerate in 0-20 MPH. Dealer can't find anything wrong. Have had to take it in for multiple recall letters. Now the water pump went out all of a sudden on the freeway and the car . THis vehicle has less than 46,000 miles on it---yes---you read correctly...46,000 miles. It is only a 6 cylinder and gets horrible gas mileage. At $4.25 a gallon, we can barely afford to drive it anywhere. I have to work one day a week just to pay for gas to get there. :banghead:

We have claim out with GM on it since it is $700 to fix, but they can't get back up to a few days away!. We have had 3 GM trucks (Silverados-2 with transmission "Shavings" in the oil pan which required replacement of the transmission under warranty), and a Delta 88 Royal brougham (Lemon), and now this Saturn. Seriously debating on what to do about this car and hope that GM steps up to the plate and offers us some assistance if not the whole repair. It's really a shame that a car can't last without major repair bills for more than 50,000 (in many cases). Our Toyotas lasted over 200,000 without major issues. In all fairness, the most recent 2001 Chevy Silverado has over 100,000 and is doing OK, but we can see the writing on the wall. Yikes. Maybe we need to get a Vespa! :help: :-\

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70000 miles exactly is when it occured - we noticed a flare of RPM's in 3rd gear..then again in 5th. Drove it about 30 miles, took it home, parked it. Drove it to the dealer (we purchased it used from an individual who took immaculate care of it, with ALL service records, it's a 2008) who told me there was a "known bulletin" on the GM database for this very issue and the resolution was to "flash the transmission software" with an update. Did that, sent me on my way in a VERY large snow storm to drive 20 miles home, all interstate. Drove home, the flare was more mild but now was between EVERY gear from what I could tell, then a major flare at 5th gear (I believe).

Parked it for the day (during the snow storm last week, 2/27/13) drove it the next morning where reverse didn't engage on first attempt (after reading this forum and our "reverse" was still working, I thought we weren't having the wave plate issue like has been mentioned here) - put it in park, retried reverse and it worked.

Drove 8 miles to next town, during the drive, the flare was much worse and very noticeable, my 16 yo was worried. At 5th gear, it revved to 7000 rpms when I attempted to pass a car, and DID NOT SHIFT. I was in about 3rd gear, in the fast lane with compromised roads because of the snow. The truck behind me couldn't get over, was flashing lights and honking and I couldn't get out of his way! We were almost roadkill, not even kidding. I managed to get over onto the ramp I needed, coasted to the light. Put it in park, then drive - it shifted like it was supposed to (I assume because acceleration was so low) and then I arrived at our appt. When I tried to back out, I had no reverse again - but putting in back into park allowed reverse to engage afterwards (for any of you who may get stuck somewhere, try putting it in park!) -- so I called (a different) dealer and drove it there. They called me 2 hours later and told me I had a hard internal failure of the transmission. This was last Wednesday - called me today, told me my wave plate had BROKEN and was being replaced as well as all internal parts being flushed and the pump filter being replaced.

I asked on "Justask" how in the world I can TRUST this repair and how do I know nothing else was harmed - and the mechanic told me he has replaced MANY MANY of the wave plates successfully and without further incident with no additional damage to the rest of the transmission. The plate has been redesigned.

Thank God our vehicle was still under warranty. I am still contacting GM about this and the fact that the first dealer sent me on my way with a "fixed" transmission, only for it to fail in 2 days. I am also following the links to the NHTSA website and will post my incident there as well.

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Hi Outlookdriver!
Very interesting and good information on this post. I just spent $550 in 2004 for my M21's Transmission Repair and am wondering if the oil I put in there is OK? I still have a partial jug of the stuff and it is Coastal 80W90 gear oil and says API Service GL5, GL4 and GL3 on it. Am I ok since it says GL4 or should I be changing it since it's got GL5 on the bottle too?

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Hi Outlookdriver!
Very interesting and good information on this post. I just spent $550 in 2004 for my M21's Transmission Repair and am wondering if the oil I put in there is OK? I still have a partial jug of the stuff and it is Coastal 80W90 gear oil and says API Service GL5, GL4 and GL3 on it. Am I ok since it says GL4 or should I be changing it since it's got GL5 on the bottle too?

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I just started having transmission issues as of right before Christmas on my 2008 Saturn Outlook XR. it wouldnt get out of 2nd or 3rd gear. took it to the shop and he flushed the transmission fluid and ran it through a "cleaning" cycle and things seemed to be good. but then this weekend it was coming down an icey mountain and put it into low gears and after about 10 minutes i looked down and noticed i was back in drive and i had no low gears... i only have 97,300 miles on my outlook. Bought it in 2013 with 40,000 miles. i am beginning to regret getting this Saturn. i have loved the other three Saturns I owned.

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I just started having transmission issues as of right before Christmas on my 2008 Saturn Outlook XR. it wouldnt get out of 2nd or 3rd gear. took it to the shop and he flushed the transmission fluid and ran it through a "cleaning" cycle and things seemed to be good. but then this weekend it was coming down an icey mountain and put it into low gears and after about 10 minutes i looked down and noticed i was back in drive and i had no low gears... i only have 97,300 miles on my outlook. Bought it in 2013 with 40,000 miles. i am beginning to regret getting this Saturn. i have loved the other three Saturns I owned.

Special Coverage Adjustment
This special coverage covers the condition described above for a period of 10 years or 120,000 miles (193,000 km), whichever occurs first, from the date the vehicle was originally placed in service, regardless of ownership.

Dealers are to replace the 3rd /5th / reverse clutch plate. The repairs will be made at no charge to the customer.

For vehicles covered by Vehicle Service Contracts, all eligible claims with repair orders on or after March 2, 2015 are covered by this special coverage and must be submitted using the labor operation codes provided with this bulletin. Claims with repair orders prior to March 2, 2015 must be submitted to the Service Contract provider.

Vehicles Involved
All involved vehicles are identified by Vehicle Identification Number on the Applicable Warranties section in GM Global Warranty Management system. Dealership service personnel should always check this site to confirm vehicle involvement prior to beginning any required inspections and/or repairs. It is important to routinely use this tool to verify eligibility because not all similar vehicles may be involved regardless of description or option content.

Customer Reimbursement – For US
Customer requests for reimbursement of previously paid repairs to correct the condition described in this bulletin are to be submitted to the dealer by March 31 2016, unless otherwise specified by state law. If this is not convenient for the customer, they may mail the completed Customer Reimbursement Request Form and all required documents to the GM Customer Assistance Center. Repairs must have occurred within the 10 years of the date the vehicle was originally placed in service, or 120,000 miles, whichever occurs first.

All reasonable and customary costs to correct the condition described in this bulletin should be considered for reimbursement. Any questions or concerns should be reviewed with your GM representative prior to processing the request.

When a customer requests reimbursement, they must provide the following:

•A completed Customer Reimbursement Request Form. This form is mailed to the customer or can be obtained through GM GlobalConnect.
•The name and address of the person who paid for the repair.
•Paid receipt confirming the amount of the repair expense, a description of the repair, and the person or entity performing the repair.
Important: GM requires dealers to approve or deny a reimbursement request within 30 days of receipt. If a reimbursement request is approved, the dealer should immediately issue a check to the customer and submit an appropriate warranty transaction for the incurred expense. If a reimbursement request is denied, the dealer MUST provide the customer with a clear and concise explanation, in writing, as to why the request was denied. The bottom portion of the Customer Reimbursement Request Form may be used for this purpose. If the denial was due to missing documents, the customer can resubmit the request when the missing documents are obtained, as long as it is still within the allowed reimbursement period.

Warranty transactions for customer reimbursement of previously paid repairs are to be submitted as required by GM Global Warranty Management. Additional information can also be found in Warranty Administration Bulletin 11-00-89-004.

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I have to dig out my receipts .. I had this repair done in 2013 .. I am hoping they will pay me back .. it was 4000 or so CDN back then..
I asked GM at the time if this was covered and they said no. Looks like times have changed! :cheers: :cheers:

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Yes I have a 2009 Saturn Outlook and I just found out about the wave plate. I am almost 3 months out of warranty and I was told by the Saturn customer service rep that if I take to a Chevy dealership and if the wave plate is diagnosed then they could present the case to GM to see if they would still cover it.

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The wave plate warranty has been extended to 120,000 miles, I don't know if there is a age limit. My 3-5-R Waveplate went at 128,000? I paid for my rebuild. I just sold it with 211,000 miles. Please post your mileage when you have these sorts or problems.

I have had a front turn signal issue ever since buying my 2009 Outlook. It flashes quick like there is a bulb out but none are. I have noticed that the headlights flicker when the turn signal is on but the turn signal lights are very dim. I also noticed that when the lights are manually off...