I dunno, personally, I'm looking forward to the film - I'm seeing it on the 17th in 3D IMAX, probably taking my family to see it later on, then taking my best friend to see it.

Frankly, I'd rather see Khan himself than see a tired attempt to portray someone LIKE Khan. And instead of trying to impose the WOK storyline on another movie, we have a reinvented Khan (a la The Joker) in a new story. At least this is something new.

As for Khan being an ice cold mastermind type, I was talking my best friend recently and we were talking about how much movie tropes differ from era to era... And we agreed that if Khan had been written *now* instead of in the 60s, he'd be much more a cloak and dagger type and more morally ambiguous, because that's what the public will buy as a bad guy now.

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^ This

Soran, Borg Queen, Ru'afo and Shinzon, have been nothing more than stupid attempts to make a Khan like villian, just give us Khan for god's sakes.

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If Soran and Ru'afo are supposed to be Khan-ripoffs, then Chang and Kruge are Khan-ripoffs as well.

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I listed those specifically due their need for vengeance or payback for soemthing that had happened tot hem in the past. Kruge and Chang weren't motivated by anything other than their own ends.

Bog Queen wanted a partner in Picard, Soran wanted him family back, Ruafo wanted his youth and SHinzon wanted Pciard's blood and revenge on Earth because John Logan said so.

I don't know what people were expecting from a summer blockbuster: Tolstoy meets Roddenberry perhaps?

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I wonder why people always say this. Why do people, the audience, themselves allow summer blockbusters to be so empty and brainless?

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But it wasn't brainless (and it certainly had heart). Admittedly, it wasn't exactly a high-brow movie. On the other hand, it did deal with the security-liberty paradox, a tiny bit of humanitarian intervention vs non-interference, and a September 11th/Iraq War allegory thrown in for good measure.

Soran, Borg Queen, Ru'afo and Shinzon, have been nothing more than stupid attempts to make a Khan like villian, just give us Khan for god's sakes.

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Ru'afo and Shinzon, yeah, I can make that connection. Soran and the Borg Queen though, I don't see it. Neither were on any kind of quest for vengeance.

Sorin was trying to gain immortality and escape the pain of the loss of his family. The key difference is that Khan was trying to avenge the loss of his family. Sorin merely wanted to forget, which is a fairly significant distinction. He wouldn't have killed anyone if there had been another way to enter the Nexus.

And the Borg Queen's motivation was the same as what the Borg's motivation has always been: assimilation and conquest.

I still don't really like the ship and uniform designs but that wasn't going to change from the last movie. I did like the way they remade Space Seed and Wrath of Khan without, er, remaking them...

Like the last film, I loved it while I was watching it but afterwards plot holes started to occur to me, although most for the last film were resolved by people on this site - I trust that the same will happen again. JJ and Co. seem to have trouble writing scripts that dot all the I's and cross all the T's.

Here's my take on why they needed Khans blood and not that of another Augment - they KNEW Khan's blood worked and they only had one shot. Trying anything else was too risky.

And here's a prediction - Spock Prime will have a larger part in the next one to complete his 'arc' and we will get a look at New Vulcan.

A+. Great movie. I was worried about a lot of things regarding Khan, Spock Prime and other things because of some of the bad reviews. But this was excellent. Well done JJ Abrams, Damon Lindelof, Roberto Orci, Alex Kurtzman, Bryan Burke and the cast the crew for making such an enjoyable ride. And I hope everyone will return for the third installment.

This movie will take the US by storm next week. You guys who are pessimistic because of some of the spoilers in thread and elsewhere: take it easy this is a mindblowing movie.

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That was my initial reaction to ST:09. Then I saw it again.

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Haha ok. I saw Into Darkness once more tonite. And I am still loving it

One of the things I really like about the movie is how they portray Khan. He meaner and stronger in some ways, and of course Cumberbatch has a different acting style compared to Montalban, but Orci and Kurtzman have understood the character´s essence. That´s why having back works wonderfully.