[LSJ] Condemnation: Mute questions

#1: A prince with a Condemnation: Mute on him calls a referendum and plays a Bewitching Oration. Does he have 4 votes from the B.O or does the "excess" -1 from the C:M apply to this resulting in 3 votes?

#2 A prince has a C:M on him. Having 0 votes is he still considered a titled vampire? If no, is the now non-titled vampire still a prince?

#3 C:M stays on the vampire even if the player who controlled the minion that played it is ousted (just like Mind Numb), right?

In message <def27b$d72$1@news01.versatel.de>, Johannes Walch<johannes.walch@vekn.de> writes:>#1: A prince with a Condemnation: Mute on him calls a referendum and>plays a Bewitching Oration. Does he have 4 votes from the B.O or does>the "excess" -1 from the C:M apply to this resulting in 3 votes?

3 votes. Pre-BO, the vampire is casting:

2 - 3 = -1, zero effective votes.

After BO, the vampire is casting.

2 - 3 + 4 = 3, three effective votes.

>#2 A prince has a C:M on him. Having 0 votes is he still considered a>titled vampire? If no, is the now non-titled vampire still a prince?

Still titled, still a prince. Just a prince casting zero votes, withoutsome sort of modifier. (Like Bewitching Oration.)

>#3 C:M stays on the vampire even if the player who controlled the>minion that played it is ousted (just like Mind Numb), right?

Right. Minion cards are controlled by the minion they are on, bydefault. (Master cards and event cards by the Methuselah who playedthem, by default.)

You need card text, or a control changing effect, to overturn this.

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James Coupe wrote:> In message <def27b$d72$1@news01.versatel.de>, Johannes Walch> <johannes.walch@vekn.de> writes:>>#1: A prince with a Condemnation: Mute on him calls a referendum and>>plays a Bewitching Oration. Does he have 4 votes from the B.O or does>>the "excess" -1 from the C:M apply to this resulting in 3 votes?> > 3 votes. Pre-BO, the vampire is casting:> 2 - 3 = -1, zero effective votes.> > After BO, the vampire is casting.> 2 - 3 + 4 = 3, three effective votes.> >>#2 A prince has a C:M on him. Having 0 votes is he still considered a>>titled vampire? If no, is the now non-titled vampire still a prince?> > Still titled, still a prince. Just a prince casting zero votes, without> some sort of modifier. (Like Bewitching Oration.)> >>#3 C:M stays on the vampire even if the player who controlled the>>minion that played it is ousted (just like Mind Numb), right?> > Right. Minion cards are controlled by the minion they are on, by> default. (Master cards and event cards by the Methuselah who played> them, by default.)> > You need card text, or a control changing effect, to overturn this.