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JY4answer wrote:The books are golden. Think Lord of the Rings for adults.

Lord of the Rings did actually always seem a bit too kid friendly for me, I'm not being sarcastic I literally do agree, there were dark themes but overall it just seemed like it was watered down a bit to me. I'm not saying it being child friendly was a bad thing, but I've been looking for a good adult fantasy series, Dark Souls has taken up that role for me, but I might check out Game of Thrones.

Here's my question, how much sex is in it? I don't care at all for sex in stories, because I'm just not interested. Is it just a small amount, or is every chapter erotica?

I have no idea what you guys are smoking, but you should give Gandalf his pipeweed back before he sends you all to await for the end of times.

LotR is not immature or aimed at kids, it is a very sophisticated read based on the high standards of its time. The lack of nudity and sex in comparison to SoI&F does certainly make it more kid-friendly, but the themes touched, the complicated and highly referenced history and setting of the world, and the narrative do certainly make this work into an adult one.

If you have actually read the Silmarillion, LotR, Children of Hurin, and believe these are kid's fiction... I feel sorry for your kids.

I was speaking of just the three main Lord of the Rings books, I could include the hobbit as well. I do know people who've read the other works, but I just wasn't interested enough in it to do so, I might eventually though, I already have too much I need to get to reading. I'm not saying LotR is bad, it's just to me it seemed a bit too kid friendly to me. I even have an issue with this in Star Wars at times, and I'm obsessed with Star Wars.

Child-friendly? Yes, as it does not glorify violence and lacks sexual content. But it is by no means childish or child-oriented, to the point the publisher who had commissioned the book actually rejected it for its maturity! Tolkien's LotR is categorized as "Adult fantasy."

((On the sex... yes there is sex. Nothing near the sexfest that is the HBO series, but there are several passages with explicit sexual content that is handled well and always fades to black. It does not suddenly become porn)

See, half of the Star Wars movies are childish, and half of them are pretty good with it. The original trilogy was very mature...Excluding the Ewoks, but the prequels kind of, it was like he didn't know who it was targeted at. One scene, Anakin is slaughtering women and children in a village to get revenge for the **** and death of his mother, the next, Jar Jar Binks is being goofy and doing slap stick. That always really annoyed me.

I still disagree, but I guess we just have different views of what is directed at children and what isn't.

If the books aren't so crazy about the sex I'll probably enjoy them, as I said I'll have to see if the two nearby libraries carry any. They usually have a lot of series like this, actually one has some of the Witcher books that I need to pick up. Why must there be so much literature!

The season 2 premiere was so good. I can't wait for the next episode. Despite them killing off two of my favorite characters in the last chunk of season 1,

Spoiler:

being Ned Stark and Drogo

I hope they emphasize the Night Watch more. I want to see White Walkers. I have a feeling the wars going to escalate and the White Walkers are going to end up pushing south while everyone's preoccupied with fighting each other. Either that or Daenerys will invade and essentially do the same thing. I want to see Joffrey and Cersei dead so badly. I can't really see Joffrey surviving the season.

It was a good premiere, I particularly liked Rob's direwolf. Quite a well done series by HBO given the limited budget and just starting to hit its stride imho.

On the LOTR front, both sets of books are great and I don't consider LOTR kids fare although kids can certainly read it. Rather, it starts off in an accessible way and then all of a sudden the sunny ol' Shire is filled with ringwraiths and Frodo nearly gets gutted by a barrowwight before he's halfway down the road. I've always liked the way the reader's journey in LOTR parallels the hobbits', you start off from a comfortable spot and then learn that the world is a big, often dark place, with your corner of it kept safe by the often unknown sacrifices of others. By contrast, Martin's series simply starts off dark and never really lets up. I've been reading Martin's books since the series started (have them all in hardcover actually) and to be honest sometimes the grittiness or "reality" seems overdone, particularly Feast for Crows where a bunch of B-list characters spend most of their time **** and defacing one another. For the first few books I thought Martin would eclipse Tolkien, but he'll never quite get over the hump until he figures out that the scarcity of graphic violence is precisely what can make it so effective when it is actually used, and that you also don't need to end every single chapter on a cliffhanger.

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Here's my question, how much sex is in it? I don't care at all for sex in stories, because I'm just not interested. Is it just a small amount, or is every chapter erotica?

Neither of what you said. There are a fair few sex scenes in the books, but as far as I remember it dosent go into detail. JY4 can correct me if i'm wrong though, its been awhile since I read them.

Maybe I am just being oversensitive but MAN, it felt like every other chapter someone was getting a blowjob or something. It could just be me, I have a really awkward time reading or watching anything even softcore. He doesn't go into precise detail, but it is a returning topic throughout the books. Especially awkward with Dany, she just strikes me as too young. I'll just go back to my porch I guess.

I haven't watched the first season, so I guess I should get on that. The only issue I have with the books is sometimes he does like to DRAG on, martin has a habit of describing something beautifully leading you to a cliff... and ending the chapter. Then making you sit through 12 Sansa ( !) chapters and only letting you know what was over that cliff because of a raven or someone else finding out through a secondary person. There certainly isn't as much ACTION written in this book as compared to LoTR, but thats not all bad. Give it a look tolvo, don't think you'll be dissapointed.

I think the sex is at a reasonably realistic level. In the age of warring and whoring, he's illustrating it very subtle already. Sure, it's mentioned every other chapter, but it's realistic given the way the world is.

It's not like he illustrates in detail or anything, apart from Dany's first.

Violence wise, plenty of detail.

I think the suspense and dragging is done on purpose, although I'd agree it's torturing. The way he leaves out details of the characters at stake and delivers it thru perspectives of others leave lots of room for speculation, as well as possibilities, which is one of his signatures.

GoT simply achieves a level of complexity that Tolkien never quite did.

Forget the issue of sex, or any content-related reason one may be considered more 'adult' than the other...JRR's stories and world and background aren't uncomplicated...but there is often blatant good and evil, a right and wrong, protagonists and antagonists, etc. That's not to say there aren't twists and turns or that good and evil never intertwine, but GoT reaches a truthfully humanly complex level of characterization that a younger audience would simply find hard to follow/understand.

While both are fantasy, GoT crafts the story through a more realistic, historical lens that simply nails human behavior, emotion and motivation, etc. in a time period/world like that. JRR's stories and world are elaborate, for sure...but it is something much more easily comprehended by a youth.

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