Exactly! As a reviewer, you should act as one, and not let personal stuff influence THAT much on reviews.

I mean, if i hear on a game that a crystal i way too big to fit a hole the revytail's have, and they start with the innuendos here, i, as a man, would probably laught a lot, but it might get a gamer woman on the bad side.

Of course, you should not be reading my review later on saying: "The innuendos were so great, i laughted so much!, it really made my day to read all that, i mean, it was just so crazy! haha!"

Should go more like "There exist a lot of sex innuendos in the game, for me, they were funny, but they may be way to dumb and simple for most people, they really focus this part more oriented to male players, so watch out at these parts"

I have never read a review in my life that was completely objective. They are opinions -- they're supposed to be. They will always be personal to some degree.

To be objective would be simply to state facts. If you want that, read a preview.

Be happy I didn't write the review.

That's not the point, preview is a preview, a taste of the game, not how the game is, go ahead and do the review, is not my fault there are not many good reviewers these days. Read reviews like Wild Arms 2 from Pat, he loved the game, but he was objective enough to keep that away from his review.

As for the guy that posted the AT3 and the Eternal Sonata? screens, that doesn't change what i said does it? Yeah, the 3D graphics may not be great quality as others, but does this mean you will say they are bad?

" I didn't found the graphics of this game appealing at all, compared to other games i've played, the graphics of Ar Tonelico 3 are really low quality, i would recommend to check Screens before getting the game to see if they would appeal to you, but i really thing GUST could had done better"

There, a lot better than just saying "The graphics were "ugly" compared to what we have seen.

The only reviewer so far that has really made a good job has been Patrick.

Go fuck yourself. It's one thing to say that your opinions align with Patrick's when it comes to reviews, but it's another to say that my staff doesn't do a good job. You claim you don't want to offend, but that statement proves otherwise. Eat a dick.

Tell you what, I'll give you a male's view of things. I only played about two hours of AT3 since I wasn't on the review, but every reviewable that RPGFan gets makes its way through me.

Ar Tonelico 3 is awful if you're not a part of the audience - one that is diminishing more and more as the series goes further over the top. Maybe you've been in /h/ on 4chan or maybe you read doujinshi. If so, you're the audience for the game. Congratulations! You probably already know how you feel about the game. Me? I'd be stark raving PISSED if I spent $60 on what I perceive to be garbage.

I have a serious question for you: Do you read reviews to validate your own opinion or do you view them to see what a wider variety of opinions on the game are? If it's the former, you've scored the fucking idiot jackpot.

I'll also be blunt with you here: Kim signed up for the game because she had interest in it. I didn't get the reviewable and say, "Oh, Kim should review this!" She didn't go into the title with prejudice because, and stay with me here, she actually wanted to play it.

Exactly! As a reviewer, you should act as one, and not let personal stuff influence THAT much on reviews.

I mean, if i hear on a game that a crystal i way too big to fit a hole the revytail's have, and they start with the innuendos here, i, as a man, would probably laught a lot, but it might get a gamer woman on the bad side.

Of course, you should not be reading my review later on saying: "The innuendos were so great, i laughted so much!, it really made my day to read all that, i mean, it was just so crazy! haha!"

Should go more like "There exist a lot of sex innuendos in the game, for me, they were funny, but they may be way to dumb and simple for most people, they really focus this part more oriented to male players, so watch out at these parts"

Except you're disproving your own point with the innuendo; you're illustrating how that point is irrelevant to you, and any reader with any brains at all will go "nope, this isn't an issue for me" and thus she did her job and informed you on an aspect of the game, you just want her to be nicer on a game you anticipated. It's only a problem if they're outright making up issues or the issue was a failing of some sort on their part (IGN's review criticized DQVI for constant grinding, yet there were only two spots I did any kind of grinding for and I may've been able to avoid those anyway), and even that's just an example of how reviews are inevitably subjective. Anyways, I imagine a purely objective review on Ar Tonelico would be far harsher than you'd like.

Also, being a man =/= appreciating the innuendo. Some of us may want a bit more class in our games, or at least hoped for a higher standard with this one!

I'll also be blunt with you here: Kim signed up for the game because she had interest in it. I didn't get the reviewable and say, "Oh, Kim should review this!" She didn't go into the title with prejudice because, and stay with me here, she actually wanted to play it.

Given she started the review stating she was a fan of the prior games I half expect he's blocking out inconvenient facts.

Right... I never said all your staff was bad, or they dont do a good job, i only said i liked Pat's reviews more, if that's a sin, then im a sinner, if i like a singer more than other, does this means the others are bad? No.

And insulting me won't change that either.... Either putting your rage at Ar Tonelico 3, the only thing i thought that was bad, is the review, is ok if you didnt liked the game, but if you are a good reviewer, you will just state things as they are, there are many, many interests in the world.

I also never said that Kim should change her Review, i just stated my point of view... I actually like some of her other reviews, for example, Ghost Trick was really well made. And there are many others...

*sigh* all this constant rage might by why i stop posting on these forums, if you cant take a little critique...

Right... I never said all your staff was bad, or they dont do a good job, i only said i liked Pat's reviews more, if that's a sin, then im a sinner, if i like a singer more than other, does this means the others are bad? No.

And insulting me won't change that either.... Either putting your rage at Ar Tonelico 3, the only thing i thought that was bad, is the review, is ok if you didnt liked the game, but if you are a good reviewer, you will just state things as they are, there are many, many interests in the world.

I also never said that Kim should change her Review, i just stated my point of view... I actually like some of her other reviews, for example, Ghost Trick was really well made. And there are many others...

*sigh* all this constant rage might by why i stop posting on these forums, if you cant take a little critique...

I wish to apologize for the diversion and do not wish for this to derail the thread; it's fine if you disagree with us, or even if you don't like the way something was worded. But to flame us, claim you did otherwise, and then not read what we're telling you? That's another thing.

Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but the moment you go and insult what are some of the most hardworking people writing for this website for what is literally no compensation? Your time here will be limited. Insult me all you want, but I'm not going to let you insult my writers.

My main problem with the review is that it doesn't mention the music other than in passing.

Music is simply what the games are about. Even in Japan this game was marketed as a "symphonic RPG." I can't even imagine writing a review for any Ar tonelico game elaborating the music, the hymnos, and the language they've created. That's an insult to the brilliant GUST sound team.

The rest I don't necessarily agree or disagree with, but the review did feel like it was meant to tell readers who had played the previous games more than those new to the series. There's a lot of depth to the Ar tonelico world, and it's not touched on at all in the review.

My own opinion on the game is that if you enjoyed 1 and 2's story, you'll want to play the third as it's an excellent conclusion to the series, but other than that most everything is a step down from 2. Except the hymnos. I preferred most of the hymnos in 3 to those in 2.

My main problem with the review is that it doesn't mention the music other than in passing.

Music is simply what the games are about. Even in Japan this game was marketed as a "symphonic RPG." I can't even imagine writing a review for any Ar tonelico game elaborating the music, the hymnos, and the language they've created. That's an insult to the brilliant GUST sound team.

The rest I don't necessarily agree or disagree with, but the review did feel like it was meant to tell readers who had played the previous games more than those new to the series. There's a lot of depth to the Ar tonelico world, and it's not touched on at all in the review.

My own opinion on the game is that if you enjoyed 1 and 2's story, you'll want to play the third as it's an excellent conclusion to the series, but other than that most everything is a step down from 2. Except the hymnos. I preferred most of the hymnos in 3 to those in 2.

That depth could qualify as a spoiler. A title like this you usually know what you're getting into otherwise. The hymnos was barely touched, I was a bit blue about that - but otherwise, the music in the game blows and I personally feel the battle system took a huge step back this title (and being a Tri-Ace/Tales advocate,I love real-time, but AT3 was kaka).

Good enough review for sure otherwise. It kinda went exactly how I expected in terms of flaws and all.

I hate the double-edged sword this innuendo issue has become though. Neptunia is getting sacked for a lot of the tasteless foolery and "humour" in the game and otaku's are furious... but unless you're a fan of that shit, what's there to like...? I actually want to interview an otaku as to why the fluck "moe" IS the greatest thing since sliced bread to them.

I think my main point was that Qoga was a step down for the series. I really like to see games improve upon each entry, and I'm really disappointed when they don't. I had trouble writing certain things about the game, because I didn't want to give spoilers. It's really hard being a reviewer because you have to sometimes deliberately word something a certain way not to give a spoiler. A lot of time our story parts are vague because of this aspect. We don't want to essentially spoil things for others and I can't guarantee a fan who knows everything about the series will be stumbling upon the review. It's always tricky.

As for the music, I liked what I heard, but my problem with it mainly came with not enough variety. Also, a lot of the town music is weak. It didn't feel like the greatness of Ar tonelico's music as previous entries did, but that's just my opinion. Sometimes it's hard to touch on everything in a review. I enjoyed certain compositions, but others weren't as desirable. Also, I felt a lack of variety throughout the game in general. As I said though, these games do have better compositions than your typical RPG, I just found Qoga not to be the series' strongest.

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"To be a star, you must shine your own light, follow your own path, and don't worry about the darkness, for that is when the stars shine brightest."

The hymnos was barely touched, I was a bit blue about that - but otherwise, the music in the game blows ...

Neptunia is getting sacked for a lot of the tasteless foolery and "humour" in the game and otaku's are furious... but unless you're a fan of that shit, what's there to like...?

Highlighting the two statements I found odd.

-Really? How does it "blow" I gave a fair portion of the tracks a listen (I know it wasn't a complete list because there are some battle themes missing) and it seemed par for the course for an AT game. Heck the music was far more pleasant to listen to than say...Fable 3 or Fallout NV for example. Granted I'm hearing these tunes out of context and at my own leisure without unwanted looping but I can't think of even a single track that entered "blows" territory. Even the strange little EP_NOVA.

-Is that game really setting off the "jaded" alarm that badly for people? ._. Neither me or my wife are huge anime people anymore. There's like...2-3 shows in our collection of DVDs at any given time and neither of us have watched anything from about 2002 out. Neptunia's self-aware parody humor has been rather enjoyable to listen to and she actually prefers I wait to play til she's home just so she can watch. Neither of us really fit into the modern otaku context and we find the game just fine. Nothing "OMG write home!" about but nothing that merits the ragging it seems to get.