I don't want to drop Deoxys-S, but as being weatherless is already a restriction, we can't afford to waste a slot. Outside of hazards, Deoxys-S doesn't contribute all that much, and we have a lot of roles we still need to cover. Dragons still steamroll this team, and we don't have a phazer. I really do think we'll need Ferrothorn, unless we go for Arceus-Steel over Arceus-Ghost.

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Guys, do you think there's any room for Ferrothorn on this team? Or does it lose too much momentum? Because it does help us with stuff like Zekrom and Palkia that we'll have trouble with. Anyways, I edited my submission with Deoxys-S > Skarmory, seeing as that probably won't work.

Guys, do you think there's any room for Ferrothorn on this team? Or does it lose too much momentum? Because it does help us with stuff like Zekrom and Palkia that we'll have trouble with. Anyways, I edited my submission with Deoxys-S > Skarmory, seeing as that probably won't work.

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It would be possible to run ferro without losing momentum, you could run gyro ball+power whip with leech seed protect is what i was thinking if we are to run ferro.

If we were to use ferrothorn, though, what would we remove? I mean maybe we could use spikes+ dual stabs + SR and replace deoxys but that doesn't seem like the best idea since ferrothorn can't get the hazards up as fast as deoxys can. Maybe there is some good way to include it but what team member can ferrothorn fully replace?

At first, I considered replacing Deoxys-S, because their roles overlap a lot. However, Ferrothorn isn't as good as getting the hazards up, and we really need to replace Dialga (*cries over my submissions*) with either Arceus-Ghost or Arceus-Steel. So I can't really find the space for Ferrothorn except for over Deoxys-S. If we ran a Sash lead Darkrai or perhaps dual status as a lead, perhaps it could work?

both look like good changes to make. A spinblocker is really helpful and though arceus steel seems like a good option to check scarfed dragons it gets killed by fire blast and blue flare and even rain boosted hydro pumps and since we have no weather control it isn't really the best check for them (though it is a much better answer than ghostceus)

So now, I will reiterate the question that I asked 81 days ago, at the start of this project: can we build a team that does not benefit from being adapted to a weather? Did we succeed? Is our team weatherless enough that changing one of our team members to a weather inducer would not benefit it? Regardless, I'd say it's a pretty decent team, especially considering all of the flak that got thrown around over the course of its creation.

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If anyone wants to co-author the RMT for this team, PM within the next 5 days. If I have no takers, I'm going to go ahead and write it myself.

Shouldn't we playtest first before going into the RMT stage? Currently, there is nothing on the team that can absorb sleep, so Sleep Talk>Toxic on Terrakion will fix this problem. Also, Darkrai should have 4 Def instead of 4 SDef so that it can always survive Genesect's U-turn from full health. Dread Plate>Life Orb should be considered.

You know, for some reason that slipped my mind...I'm not sure whether a full playtest is in order, but if people want to test and suggest tweaks that's entirely fine by me. If you want to make a tweak to the team, you MUST provide replay evidence that the team functions better with the tweak than without.

Also, I changed Darkrai's EV distribution; I had a brainfart when I was writing that set.

Posting to say congratulations to everyone involved in the creation of this team. I was a lurker in these forums, rarely posting, and when I saw this project tbh I didn't think that it would be successful, even though the concept was cool....Needless to say I was VERY wrong! The team is great and is actually pretty easy to use making it a fine choice for everyone who wants to start playing ubers. Good job guys

Yeah, congrats everybody! Good work! I tested this team a little bit on Pokemon Showdown to some success, and I came across a couple of problems. How does this team deal with Deoxys-A? It outspeeds and heavily dents everything, and Deoxys-A's ExtremeSpeed goes before Rayquaza's. Arceus-Ghost still hurts, because Darkrai has a hard time getting in. Maybe it's just me, but how does this team deal with these threats?

I'm just going to say i'm proud of everyone who pitched in and help out, every voice counted and was needed for this! Congratz jack for being the host of this whitch is a big thing to me. I can see a flaw in the team by glaring at it though that would be boosting dragons/choice dragons. I will have to see for myself later. And mon we already discussed this spinblockers are not needed so ghostceus is replaceable.