I clearly remember watching Caldwell in the Super Bowl a few years ago. The camera panned to him in the third quarter after Sean Payton clearly had outmaneuvered him, and I said, "Holy Shit!! Romeo Crennel lost a ton of weight!"

Then I realized they both just carry that same "Where am I? Why am I here? What just happened?" look on their face.

I wonder if he's cleaned his desk out yet, or if he's still wandering the halls, wondering why his key card doesn't work for the Executive Bathroom anymore.

FUDU wrote:Not surprised by this move at all, however hasn't Caldwell been widely considered an important part of the offensive sets they run, like the 4% part in relation to Peyton 96%?

Also no surprise JT would be rumored as HC, I think some saw his hiring as a a possible hint of what was to come.

The Manning era is over. Not sure how many more moves need to be made for folks to figure that out.

He'll be released and they'll be rebuilding in full as of the April draft.

The only thing funnier than people not seeing that is believing that Manning would want anything to do with playing here like I heard two idiot morning guys talk about today.

Dude's one of the GOAT's but he's also a product of being a technically skilled tactician who played >50% of his games inside where his lack of imagination and creativity were overridden by that technical greatness.

FUDU wrote:Not surprised by this move at all, however hasn't Caldwell been widely considered an important part of the offensive sets they run, like the 4% part in relation to Peyton 96%?

Also no surprise JT would be rumored as HC, I think some saw his hiring as a a possible hint of what was to come.

The Manning era is over. Not sure how many more moves need to be made for folks to figure that out.

He'll be released and they'll be rebuilding in full as of the April draft.

The only thing funnier than people not seeing that is believing that Manning would want anything to do with playing here like I heard two idiot morning guys talk about today.

Dude's one of the GOAT's but he's also a product of being a technically skilled tactician who played >50% of his games inside where his lack of imagination and creativity were overridden by that technical greatness.

I'm not debating that at all, just making note of how a guy like Caldwell can be so good at one aspect of the game/job and so bad at another part.

As far as lack of imagination/creativity on Peyton's part I'm not sure where you get that or how you judge it, other than noting his lack of athleticism maybe. Dude was slightly less clumsy than Bernie yet thrived in an era in which QB athleticism appeared to be much more heightened than the previous 20 years.

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Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect."I heard your dog is sick, so bought you this shovel"

I'm saying Manning is an engineer and not an artist. He relies on what may be the best mind to ever play the spot and on putting people in precise places regardless of how the defense reacts.

Inside, in a dome, is the ideal setting for him. And if/when plays break down he's not adept at ad-libbing his way out of them. His brother is; Peyton is not. Not saying that makes one better or worse than the other. Saying it makes them different and teams have to account for the differences. That means the Mannings own team and the teams playing against them.

It took years for Peyton to get the right pieces/parts to accompany him and to win his title and it takes everyone playing at a really high level. He's not getting that situation again. Not in Indy and not anywhere else, even if he goes to a dome team. There's not enough time for an organization to build that kind of expertise and technical skill with the time remaining in Manning's career and he's not athletic enough/patient enough/adaptive enough to do it another way.

Yeah... if you want to break down my 10 or 12 paragraphs into a couple sentences... sure.

He does whine or blame others. Which doesn't necessarily mean he's wrong about who fucked up... it's just a reason why he won one title despite his mind and his gifts.

And it's not going to fly in another org when most guys know they'll be outlasting him wherever he plays.

All of Manning's adjustments and 'art' is before the snap. After that he's a very good thrower of the football technically but he's not a creator in any way.

Makes me wonder why there isn't an ensuing power play to stay in Indy, with said "weapons" than try to re-learn elsewhere. That being said.....offense next year will be very different than anything he's had to do in the last 10 years.

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Yeah... if you want to break down my 10 or 12 paragraphs into a couple sentences... sure.

He does whine or blame others. Which doesn't necessarily mean he's wrong about who fucked up... it's just a reason why he won one title despite his mind and his gifts.

And it's not going to fly in another org when most guys know they'll be outlasting him wherever he plays.

All of Manning's adjustments and 'art' is before the snap. After that he's a very good thrower of the football technically but he's not a creator in any way.

Makes me wonder why there isn't an ensuing power play to stay in Indy, with said "weapons" than try to re-learn elsewhere. That being said.....offense next year will be very different than anything he's had to do in the last 10 years.

He may really want to stay. He has $28million reasons to want that. I just think the Colts will eat their gun this season, get it over with, and start all over w/o him.

Manning's bonus is due on March 8th, which is like a month and a half away. I have serious doubts if they're gonna know by then if Peyton can ever play again. With them obviously taking Luck at #1 overall, they'd be STUPID to pay him that $28 mil bonus.

Peyton won't move the bonus due date, so he's almost daring them to cut him. What's the worst that happens if you do cut him? Peyton comes back healthy and plays for another team while you get your rookie #1 overall pick PT on a team that would be rebuilding Peyton or no Peyton. Plus, you can probably sign some of those 8000 Free Agents you have if you didn't have to shell out $28 mil (plus base salary).

I know Manning WAS that franchise for 12 years, but that's no reason to shoot your team in the face. Especially since there's a good likelihood that even if he does play, he'll be diminished.

Let him go to the Jets. They think they're a QB away from a SB (which they might be), and they haven't had their fill yet of washed-up legendary QB's.

But what do I care about the Colts? Go ahead. Pay him, play him, have Luck sit uselessly on the bench "learning", go 8-8 or 7-9, delay the inevitable for a year.

e0y2e3 wrote:UPDATE: Archie and Peyton's age ARE DENYING Rob Lowe's tweet that Manning is retiring.

This is counterinuitive to evidence that the first person to follow Rob Lowe on Twitter was Jim Irsay <--- investigation performed by some NFL reporter

This is the greatest shit ever.

Which is why twiiter is the greatest entertainment vehicle ever created and also why it's incomprehensible to me that people don't participate or use it.

It's criminal to be a sports fan and/or fan of pretty much anything or seeking to keep up with current events, hard news, etc and not utilize what amounts to the most user-friendly/user-specific instant news feed ever created.

And yeah, that was a passive-aggressive diatribe intended to shame fools like Hiko, JB and LeadPipe into getting with the times.

e0y2e3 wrote:UPDATE: Archie and Peyton's age ARE DENYING Rob Lowe's tweet that Manning is retiring.

This is counterinuitive to evidence that the first person to follow Rob Lowe on Twitter was Jim Irsay <--- investigation performed by some NFL reporter

This is the greatest shit ever.

Which is why twiiter is the greatest entertainment vehicle ever created and also why it's incomprehensible to me that people don't participate or use it.

It's criminal to be a sports fan and/or fan of pretty much anything or seeking to keep up with current events, hard news, etc and not utilize what amounts to the most user-friendly/user-specific instant news feed ever created.

And yeah, that was a passive-aggressive diatribe intended to shame fools like Hiko, JB and LeadPipe into getting with the times.

e0y2e3 wrote:UPDATE: Archie and Peyton's age ARE DENYING Rob Lowe's tweet that Manning is retiring.

This is counterinuitive to evidence that the first person to follow Rob Lowe on Twitter was Jim Irsay <--- investigation performed by some NFL reporter

This is the greatest shit ever.

Which is why twiiter is the greatest entertainment vehicle ever created and also why it's incomprehensible to me that people don't participate or use it.

It's criminal to be a sports fan and/or fan of pretty much anything or seeking to keep up with current events, hard news, etc and not utilize what amounts to the most user-friendly/user-specific instant news feed ever created.

And yeah, that was a passive-aggressive diatribe intended to shame fools like Hiko, JB and LeadPipe into getting with the times.

At some pointyou WILL utilize it. Stop kicking and screaming.

You are wrong.

I'm more interested in stabbing myself in the eye with a disease-ridden pencil than Twitter. This shit does nothing to help - if anything, it makes it less appealing than it already was.

Besides, who needs Twitter when I can just wait 10 minutes for someone to tell me about it?

e0y2e3 wrote:UPDATE: Archie and Peyton's age ARE DENYING Rob Lowe's tweet that Manning is retiring.

This is counterinuitive to evidence that the first person to follow Rob Lowe on Twitter was Jim Irsay <--- investigation performed by some NFL reporter

This is the greatest shit ever.

Which is why twiiter is the greatest entertainment vehicle ever created and also why it's incomprehensible to me that people don't participate or use it.

It's criminal to be a sports fan and/or fan of pretty much anything or seeking to keep up with current events, hard news, etc and not utilize what amounts to the most user-friendly/user-specific instant news feed ever created.

And yeah, that was a passive-aggressive diatribe intended to shame fools like Hiko, JB and LeadPipe into getting with the times.

At some pointyou WILL utilize it. Stop kicking and screaming.

You are wrong.

I'm more interested in stabbing myself in the eye with a disease-ridden pencil than Twitter. This shit does nothing to help - if anything, it makes it less appealing than it already was.

Besides, who needs Twitter when I can just wait 10 minutes for someone to tell me about it?

e0y2e3 wrote:UPDATE: Archie and Peyton's age ARE DENYING Rob Lowe's tweet that Manning is retiring.

This is counterinuitive to evidence that the first person to follow Rob Lowe on Twitter was Jim Irsay <--- investigation performed by some NFL reporter

This is the greatest shit ever.

Which is why twiiter is the greatest entertainment vehicle ever created and also why it's incomprehensible to me that people don't participate or use it.

It's criminal to be a sports fan and/or fan of pretty much anything or seeking to keep up with current events, hard news, etc and not utilize what amounts to the most user-friendly/user-specific instant news feed ever created.

And yeah, that was a passive-aggressive diatribe intended to shame fools like Hiko, JB and LeadPipe into getting with the times.

At some pointyou WILL utilize it. Stop kicking and screaming.

You are wrong.

I'm more interested in stabbing myself in the eye with a disease-ridden pencil than Twitter. This shit does nothing to help - if anything, it makes it less appealing than it already was.

Besides, who needs Twitter when I can just wait 10 minutes for someone to tell me about it?

I see. So you're following jjgmeyers and lubber instead.

Well played.

I should join Twitter just to follow those 2. It would be great to know the color of their dumps and if they can fit a whole baconator in their mouth.

e0y2e3 wrote:UPDATE: Archie and Peyton's age ARE DENYING Rob Lowe's tweet that Manning is retiring.

This is counterinuitive to evidence that the first person to follow Rob Lowe on Twitter was Jim Irsay <--- investigation performed by some NFL reporter

This is the greatest shit ever.

Which is why twiiter is the greatest entertainment vehicle ever created and also why it's incomprehensible to me that people don't participate or use it.

It's criminal to be a sports fan and/or fan of pretty much anything or seeking to keep up with current events, hard news, etc and not utilize what amounts to the most user-friendly/user-specific instant news feed ever created.

And yeah, that was a passive-aggressive diatribe intended to shame fools like Hiko, JB and LeadPipe into getting with the times.

At some pointyou WILL utilize it. Stop kicking and screaming.

You are wrong.

I'm more interested in stabbing myself in the eye with a disease-ridden pencil than Twitter. This shit does nothing to help - if anything, it makes it less appealing than it already was.

Besides, who needs Twitter when I can just wait 10 minutes for someone to tell me about it?

I see. So you're following jjgmeyers and lubber instead.

Well played.

I should join Twitter just to follow those 2. It would be great to know the color of their dumps and if they can fit a whole baconator in their mouth.

I don't know if those guys are on twitter.

But what I meant is on twitter you can decide who you want your news from and never have to hear or interact with those you don't. And there are some funny mofos on twitter. I get a kick out of it every day.

People that lump it in with Facebook are doing it and themselves a disservice. If FB was gone yesterday I wouldn't miss it for a second. Twitter I would miss deeply.

peeker643 wrote:But what I meant is on twitter you can decide who you want your news from and never have to hear or interact with those you don't. And there are some funny mofos on twitter. I get a kick out of it every day.

There are some funny mofos here. And you forget the handy "ignore" feature this site has - I recently put jibmeyers on it, and it's working like a charm.

FB blows too. It has its uses from time to time, but I only go on there if someone directly messages me.

Twitter to me is the social media equivalent of the laser disc, destined to be obsolete a few years from now. I'll wait for DVD's.

peeker643 wrote:But what I meant is on twitter you can decide who you want your news from and never have to hear or interact with those you don't. And there are some funny mofos on twitter. I get a kick out of it every day.

There are some funny mofos here. And you forget the handy "ignore" feature this site has - I recently put jibmeyers on it, and it's working like a charm.

FB blows too. It has its uses from time to time, but I only go on there if someone directly messages me.

Twitter to me is the social media equivalent of the laser disc, destined to be obsolete a few years from now. I'll wait for DVD's.

FB is a complete waste of time frequented by the narcissistic and the voyoristic. There is no other value to anyone but the generation with the she values and soccer moms.

There was a report the Indianapolis Colts are at least considering disgraced former Ohio State coach Jim Tressel as head coach, who is on the Indianapolis staff as a gameday consultant. I checked with a Colts source and he said this: "No way in hell."

But this is the interesting part. The source explained that owner Jim Irsay likes Tressel and does want him to have some sort of role in the organization (a new head coach will have some say in that of course). Which is, well, incredible. If you remember Tressel resigned as Ohio State coach after it was determined the Buckeyes had numerous rules violations under his watch. Ohio State later self-vacated its entire 2010 season.

It would be totally out of the question for the Colts to make Tressel a head coach now. The Colts would be the laughingstock of the NFL.

But it's possible the Colts may keep Tressel in some capacity. Possible, not definite.

peeker643 wrote:I'm saying Manning is an engineer and not an artist. He relies on what may be the best mind to ever play the spot and on putting people in precise places regardless of how the defense reacts.

Inside, in a dome, is the ideal setting for him. And if/when plays break down he's not adept at ad-libbing his way out of them. His brother is; Peyton is not. Not saying that makes one better or worse than the other. Saying it makes them different and teams have to account for the differences. That means the Mannings own team and the teams playing against them.

It took years for Peyton to get the right pieces/parts to accompany him and to win his title and it takes everyone playing at a really high level. He's not getting that situation again. Not in Indy and not anywhere else, even if he goes to a dome team. There's not enough time for an organization to build that kind of expertise and technical skill with the time remaining in Manning's career and he's not athletic enough/patient enough/adaptive enough to do it another way.

Lil Brother has better stats and results in the post season. And this year could double his number of rings.

The year they somehow won the Super Bowl, he had 3 TD and 7 INT in the post season and finished with a 70.5 PR. Eli? 6-1 95.7.