What direction will they face in two hundred thousands years when there is no planet earth and there is no Kaba and they are residing on Planete Ganymede?

Common sense or no sense, when there will be no planet Earth after two hundred thousand years means there will be no human beings on planet. All will be facing death.
Do you believe Mowla Ali was born inside Ka'ba?

The most irrational answer seen on this Forum yet.

The end of earth or the inter galactic travel does not mean the end of mankind, unless you are completely uneducated. Just say you don't know where you will be turning to find the Kaba. Where were you turning when the black stone was stolen and taken to Yemen?

As to the question was Mowla Ali born in that place, it is completely irrelevant to my question and your answers even nullify the ayats of the Quran about whatever direction we pray, Allah is everywhere. Only a idol worshiper would reply in your way.

Discussion is about Ka'ba and not BLACK STONE. When Black Stone was stolen still Fatimid Era Imams and Ismailis faced to Ka'ba for Salat, now you educate your self.
Mata Salamat performed 3 Hajjs with permission of MSMS. To which direction she faced to say Salat?

I know for sure we don't face Ka'ba when performing Eid Namaz. For the other two I am not quite sure.

You pretend not to know. In Central Asian countries where Ismailis live, in Afghanistan, China, Pakistan, India, Middle East, Ismailis face Ka'ba to say Eid Nama, Janazah Namaz, Juma Namaz. Regarding USA, Canada, mostly Europe, and African countries it is free for all. If I shall write about this, the ADMIN will send me back to Timbuktu as he keeps threatening me.
In which direction MSMS faced to say Salat, proof is in many photos.

Which direction is Kaba. In North America half of the Masjid face Kaba in the north west direction and the other half in the south west direction, please educate your self first, is the distance shorter in the north east or in the south east?

And reply the question instead of trying to divert. If you don't know which direction to pray in the future world, just admit it instead of ridiculing yourself.

Which direction is Kaba. In North America half of the Masjid face Kaba in the north west direction and the other half in the south west direction, please educate your self first, is the distance shorter in the north east or in the south east?

And reply the question instead of trying to divert. If you don't know which direction to pray in the future world, just admit it instead of ridiculing yourself.

You did not comment on my following question.
Mata Salamat performed 3 Hajjs with permission of MSMS. To which direction she faced to say Salat?

Also to which direction MSMS faced to say salat, official photos are available.
To which direction Mowla Ali faced to say salat?

What you have to say about majority of Ismails face Ka'ba while saying Eid Namaz, Janazah Namaz, Juma Namaz? You can not deny this fact.

No need to worry about farthest future, down the road neither you nor myself will be present after 5000 years. Planet Earth is rotating and Ka'ba is staying where it is. Once the direction is set, there shall be no change later.

Do you even realise what you are saying and how ridiculous an answer this is to explain where your descendants will turn while residing in Ganymede or other planets???????

Ismailis believe Allah is everywhere all the time so we are not bothered by this question but you as a pure Shariati praying toward Kaba and believing this is the only place where Alla reside, you should be worried.

Do you even realise what you are saying and how ridiculous an answer this is to explain where your descendants will turn while residing in Ganymede or other planets???????

Ismailis believe Allah is everywhere all the time so we are not bothered by this question but you as a pure Shariati praying toward Kaba and believing this is the only place where Alla reside, you should be worried.

Please do not divert the attention of readers. Still you did not replied my core questions, why are you shying. Why Ali faced Ka'ba while praying. Still his descendants are doing same. Don't they know Allah is in all directions? Why majority of Ismailis face Ka'ba while saying Eid Namaz and Janazah Namaz.
Pir Sadardin and other Pirs performed HAJJ, to which direction in Mecca they face to say salat. Was Pir Sadardin not aware that Allah's Noor is every where?

Pir Sadardin and other Pirs performed HAJJ, to which direction in Mecca they face to say salat. Was Pir Sadardin not aware that Allah's Noor is every where?

We don't follow what the Peers did or do. We follow what they tell us to do. Has Peer Sadardeen mentioned that we must perform Hajj in his Ginans?

The first Pir The Prophet (according to satpunthi Ismailis) performed hajj and encouraged his followers to do so. Please remember it was hajj occasion where Prophet designated Ali as Imam. I consider Pirs as role models. Pir Sadardin's Ginans have not restricted performing Hajj.

That what I am doing. I memorized the meaning of Du'a and follow what Preamble says. Still waiting for reply," When Mata Salamat performed Hajj to which direction she faced to say salat in Mecca"?

How is that relevant to your life? Mata Salamat did many thing whcih you are not doing. Memorising Dua is useless as you did not understand the meaning of the Dua. Are you going to call on the Imam in the moment of difficulties, the same one which you say is making matrimonial and other mistakes, the defective one? Or are you going to call on Mata Salamat? What exactly is your religion if you have one? Please do not repeat "I am Ismaili", Ismaili means the one who follows the Imam.

That what I am doing. I memorized the meaning of Du'a and follow what Preamble says. Still waiting for reply," When Mata Salamat performed Hajj to which direction she faced to say salat in Mecca"?

How is that relevant to your life? Mata Salamat did many thing whcih you are not doing. Memorising Dua is useless as you did not understand the meaning of the Dua. Are you going to call on the Imam in the moment of difficulties, the same one which you say is making matrimonial and other mistakes, the defective one? Or are you going to call on Mata Salamat? What exactly is your religion if you have one? Please do not repeat "I am Ismaili", Ismaili means the one who follows the Imam.

I am 'The Ismaili' who follow teachings of Imam. Please pay attention to my quote. I wrote," I memorized the meaning of Du'a", but you wrote,
"Memorising Dua is useless as you did not understand the meaning of Du'a".

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The first Pir The Prophet (according to satpunthi Ismailis) performed hajj and encouraged his followers to do so. Please remember it was hajj occasion where Prophet designated Ali as Imam. I consider Pirs as role models. Pir Sadardin's Ginans have not restricted performing Hajj.

The context of the Prophet was different than the present. I have not come across any Farman of the last two Imams about going to Hajj. Of course no one is preventing anyone from performing it.

The spiritual capacities of the Peers are much greater than ordinary murids. For example, Peer Sadardeen performed meditation for 16 hours a day. This is beyond the capacity of murids. Hence they cannot be our models.

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The first Pir The Prophet (according to satpunthi Ismailis) performed hajj and encouraged his followers to do so. Please remember it was hajj occasion where Prophet designated Ali as Imam. I consider Pirs as role models. Pir Sadardin's Ginans have not restricted performing Hajj.

The context of the Prophet was different than the present. I have not come across any Farman of the last two Imams about going to Hajj. Of course no one is preventing anyone from performing it.

The spiritual capacities of the Peers are much greater than ordinary murids. For example, Peer Sadardeen performed meditation for 16 hours a day. This is beyond the capacity of murids. Hence they cannot be our models.

The Farman about Hajj is 'FARMAN E JARIYAH', none of Imam has stopped it since time of Ali.

MSMS said in one of his Farmans; TAMEY KOSHISH KARO TOU TAMEY PUNN PIR SADARDIN JEVA THAI SHAKO CHHO. If you try hard can become like Pir Sadardin. Option is there.

MSMS said in one of his Farmans; TAMEY KOSHISH KARO TOU TAMEY PUNN PIR SADARDIN JEVA THAI SHAKO CHHO. If you try hard can become like Pir Sadardin. Option is there.

Of course once you become like Pir Sadardin, you can act like him. However most of us don't become like Pir Sadardin immediately.

Hence while we are striving to become like him, we must not take him as a model.

It is like an ordinary person trying to run a marathon before training himself to become a marathon runner.

You wrote," Hence while we are striving to become like him, we must not take him as a model". It is human tendency and compassion to look at role model and try to become like him. Teenagers look at Bolt and want to be fast runner like him, so he is role model. Likewise in cricket youngsters look at Bradman, Tendulkar, Dhoni, Kapil, Imran to become a famous cricketer. In soccer like Pele, Neymar, Messi, Ronaldo, they are role models. In Tennis, Serena, Federer, Nadal are role models.
Was Prophet Muhammad not a role model in ethical values, humanity, and social work. In same way I consider Pir Sadardin as role model try to follow him.

The present Imam does not attend Jamat Khana but tells us to attend regularly. Hence he is not a role model!

As per your habit you took the U turn. Do you believe in ayat which I quoted from Quran. Do you expect Imam to attend Jamat Khana regularly in Toronto, or Montreal? He says his prayers where or in which place he is. He is role model in ethical values, charity, philanthropy, patience, as a good listener and so on.

Very bad habit! What made you to delete my post? There was no mention of you. It was a general post. You presented your RESEARCH and I explained myself. I wrote; I do not own a smart phone or a computer in my name. What was wrong with that.
You are good at counting IPs, keep it up.

Do you expect Imam to attend Jamat Khana regularly in Toronto, or Montreal? He says his prayers where or in which place he is. He is role model in ethical values, charity, philanthropy, patience, as a good listener and so on.

He does not attend Jamat Khana wherever he may be. If he is not a role model in this important and fundamental aspect of our lives, then he cannot be considered as a role model.

Do you expect Imam to attend Jamat Khana regularly in Toronto, or Montreal? He says his prayers where or in which place he is. He is role model in ethical values, charity, philanthropy, patience, as a good listener and so on.

He does not attend Jamat Khana wherever he may be. If he is not a role model in this important and fundamental aspect of our lives, then he cannot be considered as a role model.

Imam Hasan Ali Shah, Imam Ali Shah, and Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah did attend JK with jamaits.
In Asal Dua it was recited " PIR TOU DUA PADHEY, BUNDHO TOU VENTI LAREY, SACHO SHAH TOU QABOOL KAREY ". The first part of sentence is PIR TOU DUA PADHEY, therefore Imam being Pir recites Dua.
If Imam attends Chief JK at Dua time in Toronto, all jamaits will rush to attend Cheif JK to be with Imam and scores of JKs in Toronto area will be locked for that occasion. The Chief JK in Toronto can absorb say 5000 jamaitis, how volunteers will handle 25000, there will be disturbance. Same situation can happen in Karachi.

Do you expect Imam to attend Jamat Khana regularly in Toronto, or Montreal? He says his prayers where or in which place he is. He is role model in ethical values, charity, philanthropy, patience, as a good listener and so on.

He does not attend Jamat Khana wherever he may be. If he is not a role model in this important and fundamental aspect of our lives, then he cannot be considered as a role model.

Imam Hasan Ali Shah, Imam Ali Shah, and Imam Sultan Muhammad Shah did attend JK with jamaits.
In Asal Dua it was recited " PIR TOU DUA PADHEY, BUNDHO TOU VENTI LAREY, SACHO SHAH TOU QABOOL KAREY ". The first part of sentence is PIR TOU DUA PADHEY, therefore Imam being Pir recites Dua.
If Imam attends Chief JK at Dua time in Toronto, all jamaits will rush to attend Cheif JK to be with Imam and scores of JKs in Toronto area will be locked for that occasion. The Chief JK in Toronto can absorb say 5000 jamaitis, how volunteers will handle 25000, there will be disturbance. Same situation can happen in Karachi.