norah wrote:So let's get this straight, Shaun you think a KKK person is basically the same as a gay person, a jew and an obese citizen, all cases you twisted to prove your own point of religious what exactly?

No, he thinks that the government oppresses us all at gunpoint by protecting the civil rights of protected classes.

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norah wrote:So let's get this straight, Shaun you think a KKK person is basically the same as a gay person, a jew and an obese citizen, all cases you twisted to prove your own point of religious what exactly?

No, he thinks that the government oppresses us all at gunpoint by protecting the civil rights of protected classes.

I actually see this KKK story as an example of the system working. The baker didn't want to make the cake for the KKK and refused. When sued, the baker claimed a religious freedom exemption and the court ruled against them. I know of no religion that dictates that you hate bigots and the ruling seems right to me.

Dade wrote:I actually see this KKK story as an example of the system working. The baker didn't want to make the cake for the KKK and refused. When sued, the baker claimed a religious freedom exemption and the court ruled against them. I know of no religion that dictates that you hate bigots and the ruling seems right to me.

I agree.

Again, we come to the fact that places open to the public are open to the PUBLIC. That means everybody. Unless they are creating a public nuisance, they get to be served. Whether the business-owner hates the client or not is irrelevant. If a business-owner wants to not serve someone they do not like, they need to find a legitimate reason to do so.

Dade wrote:I actually see this KKK story as an example of the system working. The baker didn't want to make the cake for the KKK and refused.

I agree.

If there's one thing the Slammer has warned you about over the years, it's the slippery slope, the unintended consequences, the seen vs. the unseen. Here is the Slammer's analysis....

The precedent is set. Now that the KKK has successfully won a discrimination lawsuit, they don't have to terrorize blacks by illegally burning crosses in front of their businesses anymore. They can just do something that is protected by law. They can just force blacks to go through the humiliation and mental trauma of doing business with the KKK, hiding behind the very laws that were written to protect blacks from such terrorism.

KKK chapters across the country will now organize and specifically target black-owned businesses for humiliating purposes, suing them when they don't comply. It's sort of like the disabled people who make their living going around measuring bathrooms in restaurants or whatever, suing everyone in their path. Now we'll have KKK chapters suing black business owners for discrimination....and you know what? They'll win, in more ways then one. Black-owned bakeries will be asked to bake birthday cakes for the KKK. Black-owned restaurants will be asked to provide their facilities for KKK socials and parties. Black photographers will be asked to come take pictures of KKK rallies. Black-owned dry cleaners will be forced to clean their hoods and robes. Sky's the limit for the Klan!

Of course, any self-respecting black person will tell the KKK members that "we don't serve your kind here" and tell them to fuck off....and that is exactly what the KKK is hoping for. Not only will the Klan members get the sick pleasure of smearing their racism in a black person's face, they will now get the sick pleasure of using the Civil Rights law to make blacks pay them monetary damages, which will then go into the KKK's bank account and be used to finance more of these activities.

You really only can discriminate against someone for the actions they take on your property. You can set certain standards of conduct: "Must wear shoes", "No Cussing", "Must dress like a douche" (for the nightclubs), but only within certain limits.

It's their right, but I'll call them out on their bullshit. How are you supposed to tell someone is a Trump voter unless they're sporting Trump regalia or they tell you?

Or what do you do if the customer dines in your restaurant, pays, and then says - "Oh by the way, we voted for Trump!"

Are you going to invalidate their transaction?

Half tempted to go undercover with a hidden camera to one of these establishments and try out this scenario. Hilarity will ensue.

And yes, it's a bizarre double standard. A religious baker can't deny customers based on his beliefs, but it's OK to deny someone based on your politics.

Again, unless it's a life-critical business (medical, etc...I'll be nice enough to approve that), you should be able to transact, or not transact, with whomever you want. Dumbass move, but freedom includes being a dumbass if you so choose.