And I agree with neo when she cites this piece in her January 2nd blog as being too optimistic. But I thought it would provide a balance to all the pessimism afoot — my own pessimism very much included!

]]>By: southpawhttp://neoneocon.com/2013/01/01/congresss-fiscal-cliff-deal/#comment-493955
Wed, 02 Jan 2013 17:24:47 +0000http://neoneocon.com/?p=23406#comment-493955MJR – good article, but at least one problem the Republicans need to overcome is the ability to take a winning argument to the public. Even when they’re on the right side of an issue, they’re unable to communicate it to voters.
When the majority voters are hit with higher taxes, it’s easy to envision the Repbulicans as being blamed for the deficit spending- after all is said and done, they keep voting for legislation to raise taxes and debt ceilings which have no significant spending cuts, and then expect to point a finger at the Democrats when the s*@t hits the fan. Boehner and McConnel have fallen into this trap at every critical juncture where they might make a principled stand.
It remains to be seen if they can win with a winning hand.
]]>By: lizhttp://neoneocon.com/2013/01/01/congresss-fiscal-cliff-deal/#comment-493952
Wed, 02 Jan 2013 17:20:25 +0000http://neoneocon.com/?p=23406#comment-493952To Don Carlos – please consult with a good tax CPA or read the tax rules before converting your traditional to a Roth IRA. There are a variety of rules on how to handle inherited IRAs, especially if the IRA goes to a non-spouse.

But, why pay the taxes now when there is so much uncertainty as to future rules. Wait until the regs are written. You said it yourself that the government coupld change the tax implications of the Roth IRA.

Every now and then, there is an article about the gov’t trying to convert all retirement plans to gov’t plans, since the market is “so risky” and the little ones just don’t know how to manage their accounts. (that was sarcasm)

On another point – I think we should start calling the new tax levels as the “Obama tax increases” and not allow the media to just go back to the “Clinton-era” tax rates. They are trying to make us remember the “good times” and the huge surpluses from that time. However, I see no Democrat calling to go back to the Clinton-era spending levels.

]]>By: Sam L.http://neoneocon.com/2013/01/01/congresss-fiscal-cliff-deal/#comment-493933
Wed, 02 Jan 2013 16:41:55 +0000http://neoneocon.com/?p=23406#comment-493933Can, kicked down the road a little, one (1) each.
]]>By: Don Carloshttp://neoneocon.com/2013/01/01/congresss-fiscal-cliff-deal/#comment-493919
Wed, 02 Jan 2013 16:33:22 +0000http://neoneocon.com/?p=23406#comment-493919Hey, the Won won. The ignorant and the la-la land voters will get what they deserve. Me, I’m gonna eat my “traditional” IRA; paying a disgusting amount of tax to feed the monster, just to convert it into a (for now) tax-free Roth for my heirs was more than I could stomach. My heirs will get my nonIRA assets.

If one eats one’s own capital, one has no income to be taxed.

]]>By: holmeshttp://neoneocon.com/2013/01/01/congresss-fiscal-cliff-deal/#comment-493915
Wed, 02 Jan 2013 16:30:50 +0000http://neoneocon.com/?p=23406#comment-493915The public can be sick all they want of our feckless leadership, but they voted them back in.
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Wed, 02 Jan 2013 07:28:45 +0000http://neoneocon.com/?p=23406#comment-493645MJR: Most of the Powerline analysis makes sense. But I disagree completely that the press will begin to question Obama’s policies. They are all bought and paid for toadies of the administration and will lie and deceive to whatever extent is necessary to put the blame for anything bad happening on the Republicans, or Tea Party, or anyone not on the left.
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Wed, 02 Jan 2013 06:40:56 +0000http://neoneocon.com/?p=23406#comment-493635http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/01/an-optimistic-take-on-the-cliff-deal.php

An Optimistic Take On the “Cliff” Deal
by John Hinderaker
Powerline
Posted on January 1, 2013

Here are some glass-half-full observations on last night’s McConnell-Biden fiscal deal from an inveterate optimist.

Raising taxes on those who are already paying roughly double their fair share, while leaving everyone else’s taxes the same, is lousy public policy. But from the Republicans’ point of view, it may be good politics. For the last four years, the Obama administration has run up unprecedented deficits, adding more than $4 trillion to the national debt. How has President Obama justified such profligacy? He has been a broken record: his mantra is that we just need to increase taxes on the “wealthy,” restoring them to Clinton-era rates, and then everything will be fine. He has never offered any other plan either to raise revenue, or to control spending. Raising taxes on upper-income taxpayers is the only card in his deck.

Knowledgeable observers always knew that nothing Obama said about fiscal matters made any sense, because raising income tax rates on the “rich” barely makes a dent in the deficit. But we learned in November that most voters are not knowledgeable. President Obama won re-election, and now he has gotten his way: marginal income tax rates on high earners are being restored to Clintonian levels (assuming the House goes along). Isn’t that, for the Democrats, an ominous development? Their call for higher taxes on the rich was never a serious policy proposal; it was always sheer demagoguery. It was a politically popular way to deflect all meaningful talk about the budget.

But what happens now that Obama has gotten his way? It will soon become apparent that the fiscal cliff deal, including precisely the tax increases that Obama has been demanding for four years, makes hardly a dent in the deficit. At best, it will reduce the deficit by five or six percent. We will continue to run up deficits of close to $1 trillion a year, and the national debt will continue to grow, as Obama has always intended. This fact can’t be hidden; it will be reported. Journalists who have pulled their punches in the past because they wanted Obama to be re-elected will now begin to ask, what are we going to do about the deficit and the debt? At some point, perhaps sooner rather than later, interest rates will begin to rise, at which point the debt issue will become a crisis. And Republicans will say: we told you so.

The Democrats will have only three choices: they can try to raise taxes on the “rich” even higher. But raising them to 100% wouldn’t deal with the deficit, even if you assume all those rich people are willing to work for free. The second option is to restrain federal spending. The Democrats would rather die than do that. The third option is to try to raise taxes on all those millions of Americans who aren’t rich. That is what the Democrats will do once the moment arrives when they can no longer ignore the trillions of dollars in debt they are inflicting on our children. That will be, politically, a very bad moment for the Democrats and a very good one for the Republicans, who can offer the alternative of less spending and who will have been proved right with respect to the biggest policy debate of recent years.

All of this is another way of saying that, with the Democrats’ BS about raising taxes on the rich out of the way, we can have a rational debate about the country’s fiscal future. And that is a debate the GOP can win, as most voters continue to believe that it is better to cut spending than to raise taxes on them. So let’s not despair: the post-cliff landscape may well prove favorable to the sorts of reforms that have been impossible for the last four years.

]]>By: Don Carloshttp://neoneocon.com/2013/01/01/congresss-fiscal-cliff-deal/#comment-493607
Wed, 02 Jan 2013 05:29:41 +0000http://neoneocon.com/?p=23406#comment-493607Boehner and 84 fellow GOPers just voted for it, and 151 GOPers voted against.
Pelosi and all 171 fellow Dems voted for.
I guess Boehner will win re-election as Speaker by a lesser number.
The fight is on in the GOP.
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