In Oregon there's legislation right now giving the government the power to pass a law declaring an "emergency" which gives them power to ram emergency legislation through up to and including declaration of Martial Law. Here is the exact language:

"Creates crime of unlawfully transferring large capacity magazine. Punishes by maximum of one year's imprisonment, $6,250fine, or both. Declares emergency, effective on passage...

... SECTION 3. { + This 2013 Act being necessary for the immediate preservation of the public peace, health and safety, an emergencyis declared to exist, and this 2013 Act takes effect on its passage. + }"

I'm not a Troofer or Alex Jones conspiratard---just the opposite, but, this shit is crazy. This is real. Senator Burdick is using two white people getting shot in a mall as an excuse to declare a "state of emergency" even though there is black-on-black or cop-on-black violence in Portland all the time, and more people were killed on a tour bus in Oregon last month than by high-capacity magazines in the hands of law-abiding citizens.

There is no exclusion for airsoft, BB or paintball guns, but in municipalities such as Corvallis, discharging or displaying these in the city limits or city parks constitutes a "firearm" so legally, if a guy at an airsoft field throws his buddy a spare magazine, he's just legally committed a crime.

I'm alarmed about this because in college, a friend of mine was almost shot in the back by a cop for running through the park with a 12-round PMI Splatmaster and we were told that, well, if he'd have gotten shot it would have been his fault for running away with a firearm. Rural cops may let a jeep-driving johnny redneck like me get away with an assault weapon--it happened during the Clinton ban--but a minority, a black person.. you could be in serious trouble.

"The Red Baron is smart.. He never spends the whole night dancing and drinking root beer.. "-The WWI Flying Ace

All you need to do is take Interstate 10 east. Stop anywhere in Texas. Welcome home.

Here they will laugh at your Airsoft hardware as long as you're not being a dick with it. They will look at any handgun under .45 cal as being a "pussy-plinker". And showing-up at the range with any rifle without full-auto capabilities and a 15 round clip means you'll be buying the beer.

The US hasn't gone completely crazy yet. There are a few places, heavily defended, where gun rights actually mean something. At least for now...

Give me an underground laboratory, half a dozen atom-smashers, and a beautiful girl in a diaphanous veil waiting to be turned into a chimpanzee, and I care NOT who writes this nation’s laws. ... S.J. Perelman

An English friend of mine and I ferried a Grumman Tiger for an apple farmer in Eugene who sold it to farmer who owns 8000 acres along the Texas border. We flew the Tiger from Eugene to Chico, Bakersfield, right over the top of Palmdale Plant 42 to Marana...saw Ike's Superconnie!...and then Fort Stinson to San Antonio and then took off at sunrise and zipped over Texas at 2000' feet to meet a Texan who made George Bush and Ross Perot sound yankee.

Fuck people who disrespect Texas.I'd go back anytime!

"The Red Baron is smart.. He never spends the whole night dancing and drinking root beer.. "-The WWI Flying Ace

Give me an underground laboratory, half a dozen atom-smashers, and a beautiful girl in a diaphanous veil waiting to be turned into a chimpanzee, and I care NOT who writes this nation’s laws. ... S.J. Perelman

Thanks. They're my favorite. I'm glad we were going to Texas, though. Two weeks ago we ferried a Cirrus SR22 Turbo for a guy (ffs...$800,000 four-seater) from Portland to Duluth, via Denver, and it was -29C out. First time I ever listened to heavy metal on oxygen. My partner's banana's froze solid in the back seat and we had ice forming on the -inside- of the airplane even with the heater blazing. Ball-shattering cold in Duluth.

I should post a photo I took of an "angel"... a 360-degree triple rainbow with the shadow of our airplane against the clouds in the dead center of it.

We needed the angel...We came into Denver at night over the Rockies, in and out of clouds over the mountains, picking up ice on the wings, moderate turbulence throwing the airplane 40 degrees and 250 feet in any direction, like something out of Aliens. Crazy. The next morning we flew to Duluth at 240kts and about 1000feet above the ground, through four states, without ever seeing a hill. Apparently there are lots of people in the midwest but we sure didn't see many.

-29C in a Tiger would have turned us into popsicles. About a tenth of the price and just as much fun to fly, though!

"The Red Baron is smart.. He never spends the whole night dancing and drinking root beer.. "-The WWI Flying Ace

> US Weapons:> > 1) The M-16 rifle: Thumbs down. Chronic jamming problems with the> talcum powder like sand over there. The sand is everywhere. Jordan says you> feel filthy 2 minutes after coming out of the shower. The M-4 carbine> version is more popular because it's lighter and shorter, but it has> jamming problems also. They lack the ability to mount the various optical> gun sights and weapons lights on the pica tinny rails, but the weapon> itself is not great in a desert environment. They all hate the 556 mm (..223)> round. Poor penetration on the cinder block structure common over there and> even torso hits can't be reliably counted on to put the enemy down.> > Fun fact: Random autopsies on dead insurgents show a high level of> opiate use.> > 2) The M243 SAW (squad assault weapon): ..223 cal. Drum fed light> machine gun. Big thumbs down. Universally considered a piece of shit.> Chronic jamming problems, most of which require partial disassembly (that's> fun in the middle of a firefight). > > 3) The M9 Beretta 9 mm: Mixed bag. Good gun, performs well in> desert environment; but they all hate the 9 mm cartridge. The use of> handguns for self-defense is actually fairly common.. Same old story on the 9> mm: Bad guys hit multiple times and still in the fight.> > 4) Mossberg 12 ga.. Military shotgun: Works well, used frequently> for clearing houses to good effect.> > 5) The M240 Machine Gun: 7.62 NATO (.308) cal. belt fed machine gun,> developed to replace the old M-60 (what a beautiful weapon that was!!) > Thumbs up. Accurate, reliable, and the 7.62 round puts 'em down. Originally> developed as a vehicle mounted weapon, more and more are being dismounted> and taken into the field by infantry. The 7.62 round chews up the structure> over there.> > 6) The M2 50 cal heavy machine gun: Thumbs way, way up. "Ma Deuce"> is still worth her considerable weight in gold. The ultimate fight> stopper - puts their dicks in the dirt every time. The most coveted weapon> in-theater.> > 7) The .45 pistol: Thumbs up. Still the best pistol around out> there. Everybody authorized to carry a sidearm is trying to get their hands> on one. With few exceptions, can reliably be expected to put 'em down with> a torso hit. The special ops guys (who are doing most of the pistol work)> use the HK military model and supposedly love it. The old government model> .45's are being re-issued en masse.> > The M-14: Thumbs up. They are being re-issued in bulk, mostly in> a modified version to special ops guys. Modifications include lightweight> Kevlar stocks and low power red dot or ACOG sights. Very reliable in the> sandy environment, and they love the 7.62 round.> > 9) The Barrett ..50 cal sniper rifle: Thumbs way up. Spectacular> range and accuracy and hits like a freight train. Used frequently to take> out vehicle suicide bombers (we actually stop a lot of them) and barricaded> enemy. It is definitely here to stay. > > 10) The M24 sniper rifle: Thumbs up. Mostly in ..308 but some in 300> win mag. Heavily modified Remington 700's. Great performance. Snipers have> been used heavily to great effect. Rumor has it a marine sniper on his> third tour in Anbar province has actually exceeded Carlos Hathcock's record> for confirmed kills with OVER 100.> > 11) The new body armor: Thumbs up. Relatively light at approx. 6> lbs. and can reliably be expected to soak up small shrapnel and even will> stop an AK-47 round. The bad news: Hot as shit to wear, almost unbearable> in the summer heat (which averages over 120 degrees). Also, the enemy now> goes for head shots whenever possible. All the bullshit about the "old"> body armor making our guys vulnerable to the IED's was a non-starter. The> IED explosions are enormous and body armor doesn't make any difference at> all in most cases.> > 12) Night Vision and Infrared Equipment: Thumbs way up.> Spectacular performance. Our guys see in the dark and own the night,> period. Very little enemy action after evening prayers. More and more enemy> being whacked at night during movement by our hunter-killer teams. We've> all seen the videos. > > 13) Lights: Thumbs up. Most of the weapon mounted and personal> lights are Surefire's, and the troops love 'em. Invaluable for night urban> operations. Jordan carried a $34 Surefire G2 on a neck lanyard and loved> it. I can’t help but notice that most of the good fighting weapons and> ordnance are 50 or more years old!! With all our technology, it's the WWII> and Vietnam era weapons that everybody wants!! The infantry fighting is> frequent, up close and brutal. No quarter is given or shown. > > Bad guy weapons: > > 1) Mostly AK47's. The entire country is an arsenal. Works better in> the desert than the M16 and the .308 Russian round kills reliably. PKM belt> fed light machine guns are also common and effective. Luckily, the enemy> mostly shoots like shit. Undisciplined "spray and pray" type fire. However,> they are seeing more and more precision weapons, especially sniper rifles.> ( Iran , again)> > 2) The RPG: Probably the infantry weapon most feared by our guys.> Simple, reliable and as common as dogshit. The enemy responded to our> up-armored Humvees by aiming at the windshields, often at point blank> range. Still killing a lot of our guys. > > 3) The IED: The biggest killer of all. Can be anything from old> Soviet anti-armor mines to jury rigged artillery shells. A lot found in> Jordan 's area were in abandoned cars. The enemy would take 2 or 3 155 mm> artillery shells and wire them together. Most were detonated by cell phone> and the explosions are enormous. You're not safe in any vehicle, even an M1> tank. Driving is by far the most dangerous thing our guys do over there..> Lately, they are much more sophisticated "shape charges" (Iranian)> specifically designed to penetrate armor.> > Fact: Most of the readymade IED's are supplied by Iran , who is also> providing terrorists (Hezbollah types) to train the insurgents in their use> and tactics. That's why the attacks have been so deadly lately. Their> concealment methods are ingenious, the latest being shape charges, in> Styrofoam containers spray painted to look like the cinder blocks that> litter all Iraqi roads. We find about 40% before they detonate, and the> bomb disposal guys are unsung heroes of this war.> > 4) Mortars and rockets: Very prevalent. The soviet era 122 mm> rockets (with an 18 km range) are becoming more prevalent. One of Jordan 's> NCO's lost a leg to one. These weapons cause a lot of damage "inside the> wire." Jordan 's base was hit almost daily his entire time there by mortar> and rocket fire, often at night to disrupt sleep patterns and cause> fatigue. (It did). More of a psychological weapon than anything else. The> enemy mortar teams would jump out of vehicles, fire a few rounds, and then> haul ass in a matter of seconds. > > Fun fact: Captured enemy have apparently marveled at the> marksmanship of our guys and how hard they fight. They are apparently told> in Jihad school that the Americans rely solely on technology, and can be> easily beaten in close quarters combat for their lack of toughness. Let's> just say they know better now. > > Bad guy technology: Simple yet effective. Most communication is by> cell and satellite phones and also by email on laptops. They use handheld> GPS units for navigation and Google Earth for overhead views of our> positions. Their weapons are good, if not fancy, and prevalent. Their> explosives and bomb technology is TOP OF THE LINE. Night vision is rare.> They are very careless with their equipment and the captured GPS units and> laptops are treasure troves of Intel when captured.> > Who are the bad guys?> > Most of the carnage is caused by the Zarqawi Al Qaeda group. They> operate mostly in Anbar province (Fallujah and Ramadi). These are mostly> "foreigners", non-Iraqi Sunni Arab Jihadists from all over the Muslim world> (and Europe ). Most enter Iraq through Syria (with, of course, the knowledge> and complicity of the Syrian govt.), and then travel down the "rat line"> which is the trail of towns along the Euphrates River that we've been> hitting hard for the last few months. Some are virtually untrained young> Jihadists that often end up as suicide bombers or in various "sacrifice> squads."> > Most, however, are hardcore terrorists from all the usual suspects> (Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas etc.). These are the guys running around> murdering civilians en masse and cutting heads off. The Chechens (many of> whom are Caucasian) are supposedly the most ruthless and the best fighters.> They have been fighting the Russians for years. In the Baghdad area and> south, most of the insurgents are Iranian inspired (and led) Iraqi Shiites.> The Iranian Shiia have been very adept at infiltrating the Iraqi local> govt.'s, the police forces, and the Army. They have had a massive spy and> agitator network there since the Iran-Iraq war in the early 80's. Most of> the Saddam loyalists were killed, captured, or gave up long ago.> > Bad Guy Tactics: When they are engaged on an infantry level they> get their asses kicked every time! Brave, but stupid. Suicidal Banzai-type> charges were very common earlier in the war and still occur. They will> literally sacrifice 8-10 man teams in suicide squads by sending them> screaming and firing AK's and RPG's directly at our bases just to probe the> defenses. They get mowed down like grass every time (see the M2 and M240> above). Jordan's base was hit like this often. When engaged, they have a> tendency to flee to the same building, probably for what they think will be> a glorious last stand. Instead, we call in air and that's the end of that,> more often than not. These hole-ups are referred to as Alpha Whiskey> Romeo's (Allah's Waiting Room). We have the laser guided ground-air thing> down to a science.> > The fast movers, mostly Marine F-18's, are taking an ever> increasing toll on the enemy. When caught out in the open, the helicopter> gunships, and AC-130 Spectre Gunships cut them to ribbons with cannon and> rocket fire, especially at night. Interestingly, artillery is hardly used> at all.> > Fun facts: The enemy death toll is supposedly between 45-50> thousand. That is why we're seeing less and less infantry attacks and more> IED, suicide bomber shit. The new strategy is just simple: attrition.> The insurgent tactic most frustrating is their use of civilian> non-combatants as cover. They know we do all we can to avoid civilian> casualties and therefore schools, hospitals, and especially Mosques, are> locations where they meet, stage for attacks, cache weapons, and ammo and> flee to when engaged. They have absolutely no regard whatsoever for> inflicting civilian casualties. They will terrorize locals and murder> without hesitation anyone believed to be sympathetic to the Americans or> the new Iraqi govt. Kidnapping of family members, especially children, is> common to influence people they are trying to influence but can't reach,> such as local govt. officials, clerics, tribal leaders, etc.> > The first thing our guys are told is "don't get captured." They> know that if captured they will be tortured and beheaded on the internet.> Zarqawi openly offers bounties for anyone who brings him a live American> serviceman. This motivates the criminal element who otherwise don't give a> shit about the war. A lot of the beheading victims were actually kidnapped> by common criminals and sold to Zarqawi. As such, for our guys, every fight> is to the death.. Surrender is not an option. The Iraqi's are a mixed bag.> Some fight well; others aren't worth a damn. Most do okay with American> support. Finding leaders is hard, but they are getting better. It is> widely viewed that Zarqawi's use of suicide bombers, en masse, against the> civilian population was a serious tactical mistake. Many Iraqi's were > galvanized and the caliber of recruits in the Army and the police forces> went right up, along with their motivation. It also led to an exponential > increase in good intel because the Iraqi's are sick of the insurgent> attacks against civilians. The Kurds are solidly pro-American and fearless> fighters. > > Morale: According to Jordan , morale among our guys is very high.> They not only believe that they are winning, but that they are winning> decisively. They are stunned and dismayed by what they see in the American> press, whom they almost universally view as against them. The embedded> reporters are despised and distrusted. They are inflicting casualties at a> rate of 20-1 and then see shit like "Are we losing in Iraq ?" on TV and the> print media.. For the most part, they are satisfied with their equipment,> food, and leadership.> > Bottom line though, and they all say this, is that there are not > enough guys there to drive the final stake through the heart of the> insurgency, primarily because there aren't enough troops in-theater to shut> down the borders with Iran and Syria . The Iranians and the Syrians just > can't stand the thought of Iraq being an American ally (with, of> course, permanent US bases there).> > Anyway, that's it, hope you found it interesting.>

A US Army veteran who is a private citizen in New York was arrested this month for having AR-15 magazines in his trunk, which means they've taken his freedom, his property, his right to vote and his 2nd Amendment. Meanwhile, millions of illegals are about to get amnesty (I don't have a dog in that fight, but still) and the federal government has ordered SEVEN THOUSAND M16/M4 type "selective fire"--which means capable of fully-automatic or burst mode--as "Personal Defense Weapons."

Synopsis:Added: Jun 07, 2012 11:47 amThis announcement is being placed in accordance with the Federal Acquisition Regulation (FAR) paragraph 5.207.&nbsp; It is a combined synopsis/solicitation for commercial items.&nbsp; 5.56x45mm NATO, select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense.&nbsp; This announcement constitutes the only solicitation and proposals are being requested.&nbsp; See attachments for complete details.

Tin soldiers and Nixon's comin'...

"The Red Baron is smart.. He never spends the whole night dancing and drinking root beer.. "-The WWI Flying Ace

it is interesting how much ammo, most suited to civilian, and personal "defense" uses. millions and millions of rounds, and for all sorts of departments, some you'd not expect to even be armed, let alone stocking up on ammo, way more than seems necessary. and "high damage" ammo, hollow points, fragmentaion bullets......stuff I thought police and armed forces are not supposed to use?

My my, how this thread is turning into the survival thread, but without css's financial slantZaphod, read about the army guy in another forum. As I understand it the new laws in NY governing the mags are not even in effect. It is rather interesting that they "just happened to pull over" this guy and found the magsShort of a mid caliber bolt action, say .243 or .270, we are pretty good to go in the weapons dept. Was looking at the Remington R-25, pricey, and havent found one available yet though. Pisser is, .243 is all over my local shelves while 5.56 and .308 are not. Stocking more of the .40 and shotties for now.

Excuse me Ma'am, your going to feel a small prick._______________________________________

This is a great video and great tribute to the guys. Time to get out of that shit hole. Sebastian Junger has a lot more to say about that conflict in the book version of the story which is a great read.

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believe is false."- William Casey, CIA Director 1981

ZaphodBurner wrote:In Oregon there's legislation right now giving the government the power to pass a law declaring an "emergency" which gives them power to ram emergency legislation through up to and including declaration of Martial Law. Here is the exact language:

"The current gun/ammo panic buying frenzy is unprecedented. It has been stronger and lasted longer than any previous buying frenzy. Here is an update from industry leader Mark LaRue:

>> Status of gun industry>> Attention F.B. fans: to follow will be several IMPORTANT Info updates about the status of the gun industry currently, followed by an INVENTORY UPDATE: We traveled to Texas for Industry meetings concerning the shortages, here's what we were told.>> Smith & Wesson-is running at Full capacity making 300+ guns/day-mainly M&P pistols. They are unable to produce any more guns to help with the shortages.>> RUGER: Plans to increase from 75% to 100% in the next 90 days.>> FNH: Moving from 50% production to 75% by Feb 1st and 100% by March 1. Remington-Maxed out!>> Armalite: Maxed out.>> DPMS: Can't get enough parts to produce any more product.>> COLT: Production runs increasing weekly...bottle necked by Bolt carrier's.>> LWRC:Making only black guns, running at full capacity...can't get enough gun quality steel to make barrels.>> Springfield Armory: Only company who can meet demand but are running 30-45 days behind.>> AMMO: Every caliber is now Allocated! We are looking at a nation wide shortage of all calibers over the next 9 months. All plants are producing as much ammo as possible w/ of 1 BILLION rounds produced weekly. Most is military followed by L.E. and civilians are third in line.>> MAGPUL is behind 1 MILLION mags, do not expect any large quantities of magpul anytime soon.>> RELOADERS... ALL Remington, Winchester, CCI & Federal primers are going to ammo FIRST. There are no extra's for reloading purposes... it could be 6-9 months before things get caught up. Sorry for the bleak news, but now we know what to expect in the coming months. Stay tuned, we'll keep you posted...>> Related commentary from Bob Owens :> They didn't know when they'd be getting anything back in stock, from magazines to rifles to pistols. Manufacturers were running full-bore, but couldn't come close to keeping up with market demand. It wasn't just the AR-15s, the AK-pattern rifles, the M1As, and the FALs that were sold out. It really hit me when I realized that the World War-era M1 Garands, M1 carbines, and Enfield .303s were gone, along with every last shell. Ubiquitous Mosin-Nagants—of which every gun store always seems to have 10-20—were gone. So was their ammo. Only a dust free space marked their passing. I've never seen anything like it.>> Every weapon of military utility designed within the past 100+ years was gone. This isn't a society stocking up on certain guns because they fear they may be banned. This is a society preparing for war.>> Barack Obama, Dianne Feinstein and the rest of the Statists have done more to promote gun ownership than the NRA ever did. Well done, Democrats!"

Reminds me of the 'pistol' I kludged together for a $100 buyback program in Portland 10 years ago:A 6 inch piece of galvanized pipe with an end cap and nail and a piece of spring steel for the firing mechanism. Drilled a hole in a short chunk of 2x2 lumber for a handgrip. Got my $100 gift certificate to a sporting goods store. I went and bought ammo with it

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Reminds me of the 'pistol' I kludged together for a $100 buyback program in Portland 10 years ago:A 6 inch piece of galvanized pipe with an end cap and nail and a piece of spring steel for the firing mechanism. Drilled a hole in a short chunk of 2x2 lumber for a handgrip. Got my $100 gift certificate to a sporting goods store. I went and bought ammo with it

Reminds me of the 'pistol' I kludged together for a $100 buyback program in Portland 10 years ago:A 6 inch piece of galvanized pipe with an end cap and nail and a piece of spring steel for the firing mechanism. Drilled a hole in a short chunk of 2x2 lumber for a handgrip. Got my $100 gift certificate to a sporting goods store. I went and bought ammo with it

someone fellate this man!!!

Only if you need a toothpick.

He's a mystery wrapped in a riddle, inside an enigma, painted in hot pants. - SavannahPropane ToysHow to do it wrong:

Foxfur wrote:Reminds me of the 'pistol' I kludged together for a $100 buyback program in Portland 10 years ago:A 6 inch piece of galvanized pipe with an end cap and nail and a piece of spring steel for the firing mechanism. Drilled a hole in a short chunk of 2x2 lumber for a handgrip. Got my $100 gift certificate to a sporting goods store. I went and bought ammo with it