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Hello, r/seduction. This is an idea I've had floating around for quite some time now, and I'm just now finding the time to sit down and make a write-up of it. This is a guide on common shit tests and how to defuse them--simple as that. What she says, what not to say, what to say.

This is all up for discussion and I'm open to any suggestions, so please feel free to add to this 'shit-test response database', if you will.

If there's a shit-test that you don't see listed here, remember: agree and amplify or ignore. You can (almost) never go wrong there. ThrowawayPUA made an interesting comment on other techniques for responses that you can find here.

DISCLAIMER: Some guys here seem to be a little confused, so I'll clarify--some of these questions BECOME shit-tests depending on her tone, context, and personality. And the effectiveness of your responses all stem from the same things, so keep that in mind.

"I'm mad at you!"

This is a fairly common one. I've had this one thrown at me from both a serious and playful side (more often playful).

BETA RESPONSES: "Why? What did I do?" or "Hey, how can I make it up to you? What can I do to make it better?"

Again, another pretty common one. This one is deceptively innocent but can have dire consequences if you answer with a typical beta response. On the same token, answering this one with a more alpha response is always a home run.

BETA RESPONSES: "Oh, just a few. Maybe three or four?" or something similar

ALPHA RESPONSES: "Just in this last couple hours? I'd say three or four." "I've never even touched a boob before." "I didn't know I was supposed to be keeping count."

"Do you do this for every girl you take out/date/etc.?"

BETA RESPONSES: "No, just you." "No, you're special."

ALPHA RESPONSES: "Oh yeah, but you're the only one silly enough to fall for it so far." "No, I'm just practicing on you." "Yeah, like, thousands."

"You look like a player." or "Are you a player?"

Oh dear. This one gets thrown around a lot, as I'm sure many of you have noticed. This can kind of be a tough one--I can't tell you how many times I've seen guys fail here.

BETA RESPONSES: "Me? No, I'm not."

ALPHA RESPONSES: "Oh my God--that's the nicest compliment anyone's ever given me." "You mean like basketball, football, baseball? Yeah, I play those." "What is it about players that interests you so much?"

"I have a boyfriend."

Everyone has heard this one at some point. Most guys just eject and bail here, but it's always worth giving it another shot. Throwing out an alpha response here definitely takes some balls, but is generally worth the risk.

BETA RESPONSES: "Oh, I'm sorry!" followed by eject

ALPHA RESPONSES: "Oh, that's perfect--he can bake us cookies while we go out on adventures." "That's nice, well done." "That's okay, I'm not really the jealous type." "Yeah, so does my girlfriend." "Oh, so do I. Bet mine's cuter." (as you show a picture of your dog on your phone) "Your parents must be so proud." "Oh man, I'm so embarrassed. I thought you were a lesbian." "Are you allowed to talk to other men without his permission?" "I don't care." "We've only known each other for five minutes and you're already telling me your problems?"

There are a ton of brilliant responses to this one that I can't think of at the moment--please feel free to add!

"We're not going to have sex."

BETA RESPONSES: "Oh, I didn't think we were or anything."

ALPHA RESPONSES: "Who said anything about sex? I think you need to get your head out of the gutter." "Woah, slow down Tiger. We just met."

"Do you think I'm fat/pretty/etc.?"

BETA RESPONSE: is always to disagree heavily and do some major reassuring work

NOTE: Be SURE to be smiling and being a smart ass when giving these responses--it's all in the face and tone here.

"What do you do for a living?"

This isn't always a shit-test, but the woman is definitely trying to qualify you here.

BETA RESPONSES: long and boring story about crappy job

ALPHA RESPONSES: "Guess." "I clone humans." "Pick up chicks in bars and swindle them out of their inheritance."

"How old are you?"

Again, not always a shit test.

BETA RESPONSE: normal age

ALPHA RESPONSE: "I'm 110. I look young, right?" "Guess."

"I think you're too young."

BETA RESPONSES: blow out

ALPHA RESPONSES: "Yeah, I agree. I snuck out of daycare today and stole my dad's ID to sneak in here..." "Oh don't worry about it, I won't hold your old age against you." "Hey, don't be so hard on yourself... you don't look that old." "Yeah, you probably couldn't keep up with me. Would be fun though." "That's why I came to you--I have a cougar fetish."

"Can you buy me a drink/do this for me/hold this?"

A COUNTLESS amount of guys are willing to do this 'small' shit for women but the truth is is that it makes you seem like you'll wait on her hand and foot, so that's what she'll begin to treat you as--her butler.

BETA RESPONSES: "Oh, sure, no problem."

ALPHA RESPONSES: "I think you have me confused with every other guy you've ever met." "No."

"Is that your line/routine?"

BETA RESPONSES: "No way!" "I don't have a routine."

ALPHA RESPONSES: "Yeah, I was practicing it in front of the mirror all morning." "Yup--your turn now." "Hey! Don't go off script."

"Aw, that was so sweet."

It's (usually) a shit test because the woman would now be expecting you to do these 'sweet' things for her after a response like "Oh, anything for you!" or "Sure, no problem!" Give a response like that, next thing you know, they're asking for you to hold their purse.

All the alpha replies are pretty much HSH type replies. Its not making light of things that are beneath you, but its the type of the thing that an Alpha/High Status/Really confident guy would say when a girl is asking him shit test questions .

I'm not satisfied with the advice that there are only two good responses, ignore or agree and amplify. I do like that document by Tyler, it give the rationale for your responses and gives a wider range. I see the good responses as:

Ignore. Cut the thread hard and change the subject.

Reflect it back on her.

Agree and amplify.

Reframe.

All of these responses have one thing in common: a state break. Tyler describes it as derailing her screening process. In all cases, you are breaking her frame, she is coming at you with the attitude of a princess, screening unsuitable guys. You don't play her game, you win.

So let's look at a that type of response. I am more of a proponent of the reframe type response. In particular, it works great when you can reframe the girl as the sexual aggressor, or as unsuitable and couldn't measure up to some standard she is trying to use on you.

Q: Are you a player?
A: Why are you so attracted to players?
Reversal. Also reframes her as the sexual aggressor. Totally reverses the frame she's coming at you with.

Q: I think you're too young.
A: No, you're too old for me.
Reversal. This grabs her frame and uses it against her, classic reversal. What can she say in response? You're using her own shit test against her. Result: state break.

Q: We're not going to have sex.
A: Woah, slow down there, Tiger, we barely know each other.
Reframes her as the sexual aggressor. I don't like the suggested "get your mind out of the gutter" response, it does reframe, but it's too much like a neg. This reframe works better since it is also a disqualifier. It also pre-empts her own disqualifier. It is generally better if the guy tells the giri first that you're not having sex, that's a disqualifier. But since she got the jump on you, you are making it clear you were thinking that before she was.

Q: How old are you?
A: You first, how old are you?
This is a special case of the reversal, "Make her jump through your hoop before you jump through hers." It implies that you're willing to answer an unreasonable question if she will answer it first. And the age question is undoubtedly more sensitive for girls than guys. There's an old etiquette rule that you never as a woman her age. She knows this, and her frame will be shattered by the reversal. She won't want to answer, but might feel compelled to, since not answering would give you the chance to not answer too.

There's another longer document by Tyler out there somewhere that goes into reframing in more detail, I'll try to find it. But I would recommend that you guys consider the reversal and the reframing type response carefully. Some of the best examples in the OP are close to these techniques. Your shit test responses will be even more powerful if you can use the reversal or reframe to grab control of her frame and cause a state break.

As a footnote, there are some special categories of these shit tests that require special tactics, like I Have A Boyfriend. These responses tend to be categorized as "Destroyers," like the IHAB Destroyer. This is a bit beyond the scope of this OP.

so after the state break, wouldn't the conversation falter a bit? You've made the girl feel embarrassed/insecure, so what's the next move - continue the conversation while preserving the power won with the deflection/reflection of the shit test, or something else?

Right, you can't continue to hammer on the girl after you grab the frame back. So continue on, cut threads to some other topic, or use the usual conversational techniques as appropriate to the context. You're usually going to have to think on your feet after deflecting a shit test. Let me see, my best FR and best shit test deflection.. IIRC she was shit testing me on my age and what my job is. After the age and have I ever been married question, I continued on to an NLP routine, fake engagement and planning a fake wedding. After the job interview question, I made her jump through my hoop first and tell me what she did. Then I did a bait hook reel release routine and did a roll off and turned away. She re-engaged and pulled me back in.

BHRR is straight out of the Mystery Method. You know, one reason we use this jargon is because it make it so easy to look up routines and methods.

In my specific case, she asked me what I did. I deflected with "I drive a garbage truck" and a couple of others. That's a classic response to this shit test, she was trying to get me to qualify myself like a beta. When she pressed, I asked her what she did (make her jump through my hoop before I jump through hers). She said she was a journalism student. I said, "I can't believe it, that's amazing. I'm a journalist. But now you're just messing with me" I was in close kino, I had my arm around her waist holding her against me, so I let go and turned away (roll off). She pulled me back in. That is how you do a BHRR. You bait her to qualify herself. You don't give an IOI unless she makes an attempt to qualify herself, then you give an IOD afterward.

I've discussed this in seddit often enough, and it is always accompanied by a bunch of moralizing assholes who think that girls with boyfriends are off limits. So I'll quote a little text I found:

AFCs tend to see the boyfriend as a major obstacle or threat in a HB target. However, in the seduction community, boyfriends are seen from a different perspective. To the pickup artist, just because a girl has a boyfriend does not necessarily mean that she is unavailable for a sexual relationship. The important thing to realize is that most girls of quality are likely to have a boyfriend in place before she moves on to another man, or otherwise, she is single for a very short period of time. It is important for a PUA to test the depth of the relationship; at least by understanding her relationship with her boyfriend, and only then make a decision to respect (or not respect) her faithfulness to him.

HBs will also often lie about having a BF to dissuade undesirable suitors as part of the UFEA [universal female excuse archive]. Thus, PUAs tend to ignore the statement of the boyfriend unless there is evidence he really exists. Otherwise, most PUAs are generally respectful of established relationships.

On most forums, respect of the BF is well understood as many PUAs were once heart broken by a girl who cheated on him. However, the forums and community in general advocate the importance in learning the skill set, while debates on morality ultimately lie with the PUA himself.

So, that being said, here is a fairly good discussion of BF Destroyers. There is also a category of AMOG Destroyers, they are of a similar nature in that they are somewhat of a shit test, the AMOG is trying to break your frame. But that is a discussion for another time.

Yeah this shit applies for girls that you meet in bars or something, or girls that you see as hook-up material and nothing more. You really shouldn't risk saying something like this that is indirectly insulting their boyfriend (don't go ahead assuming, without convincing evidence that she is lying to you) if you actually wanted to go out with her for long-term relationship potential.

Yeah I never understand why people talk about this purse holding business. For me, I think about moments when she needs two hands for something, but I am starting to think that everyone is talking about girls asking guys to hold their purses... kind of... in general, like while walking down the street for example, which is, if not a shit test, incredibly needy and annoying. My response would be "hell no" without even considering the possibility that it would be a shit test.

Yep. You can be confident, funny, and intriguing without being an asshole. Thats a lot of my problem with much of the advice in DYD, its veeerrrrryyy douchey at times. Maybe this works for some girls, but not the girls I'm typically going after even semi-seriously.

I agree that it's too confrontational. I enjoy the above responses you have but the linked one not so much. Maybe some rework is in order. I am not great at them so I have nothing better to offer in response.

I've seen to good responses to this or at least entertaining responses, since the drove the girl away in both instances.. The first was a friend of my then girlfriend. The friend went with another girl to a friend of mine and asked for a drink. He just looked them both up and down, and said, "I don't see anything worth paying for."

Another guy was asked the same question, and bought the girl a red soda. When she complained he just said, "Cheap drinks for cheap girls."

Some of these answers are ridiculous and scream "Douchebag" to any woman with half a brain.
Being Alpha does not mean that you have to be an asshole or turn each innocent question/comment from the girl into a pissing contest.

The "Guess", "guess", "guess" game can get old real fast.
Also, I do not know a single confident person that would answer
"I clone humans" to the question "what do you do for a living".
Sometimes I think that this subreddit is full of 16 y.o. trying to pick up other 16 year olds.
Do you have a gf? "Yes, 8". Seriously? And you consider that Alpha?
That's immature as fuck and shows that you really have a problem with being single or consider being single something to be ashamed of.

I feel pity for those poor souls that go out with this kind of mentality, trying to meet women. It must be tiresome acting all the time like a complete asshole, especially when it is for no reason at all.
Do women put out shit tests? Yes, they do.
"Buy me a drink" is a classic one and you should have an appropriate answer.
"Do you have a gf" is not.
"That's so sweet, thank you", is not.
"What do you do for a living" is not.

They are trying to make conversation and some of these questions posted by the OP are the first 5 things that a complete stranger you meet at a bar would ask.

As a side note to this, and I agree 100% with what you said Winter, but location plays a pretty important part as well. I noticed when I was reading "The Game" that some of the situations were pretty ridiculous, and I really feel that it was because it was in Cali rather than say... Michigan (where I live). So if youre dealing with women who have plastic surgery out the ass, and are really superficial, then asking the question "What do you do for a living" could very well be a hell of a lot different.

With that said, I completely agree that a lot of these answers are ridiculous and I personally wouldn't use them. I know a lot of guys may have success with them though, and I appreciate these posts anyway.

Definitely.
The location plays the most important role.
We have to use our logic too, each scenario is different.
You cannot say the same things to an 18y.o. drunk cheerleader from
Cali with a tramp stamp and to a 30 y.o. attorney in a suit.

From each post we definitely learn something new (and some of those lines ARE useful) but my main objection was that many of them are over the top and useful only against a very small target group.

This subreddit has an objection about being Alpha and at the same time not many people actually understand what this actually means.
You should OWN what you are.
If you are single, own it. Lying about it or making stupid jokes is not alpha. Same thing about your job.
Perhaps you could joke about it once but if the girl keeps asking, just tell her. If you don't and you keep dodging the question with lies or stupid jokes, she'll immediately know that you feel insecure about it.

What do you suggest for the "Buy me a drink" one? I have to admit, I like the response "You must have me confused blah blah" but I could see that exchange going sour quickly. I know when you're meeting girls, paying for their alcohol is generally frowned upon, but what's a good way to get out of it without looking like a douchebag?

I'm a Nice Guy, but a confident one, so I'll normally answer a "Buy me a drink request" with a laugh, and then ask them, "What're you testing, my generosity or my income/wallet?"
8 times out of 10, she smiles, and then asks what I do for a living, and that gets the ball rolling...

If she doesn't, you can always talk about what she's drinking, or then introduce yourself. Telling them your name (only first, of course) works, you just have to do it right, with a possible handshake. (I'm imagining this at a bar, btw).

There are limitless ways you can from here. You should have no trouble finding tangents to go on about.

Depends on context - some of these "buy me things" types aren't worth dealing with - but I'd suggest something along the lines of "sure - if you get the next round," and see how she responds to that. You won't seem like a defensive, cheap asshole, but you are making it clear that you're not there to buy her things.

There are many good answers to that.
Even what the OP said is a good one.
"Give a good reason why should I".
"Why don't YOU buy ME one".
It does not make you a douchebag if you refuse to buy her a drink
and you should let her know that you feel this way.
If you simply refuse but you make it obvious that you feel awkward about it, it's even worse because then she'll just think that you did it for the money.
And if she stops talking to you because you didn't pay for her drinks...screw her. Bullet dodged.
We do not pay in order for someone to keep talking to us.
It's as simple as that. If she likes your company, good.
If she doesn't, she can find another idiot to pay for her drinks.

Go to a college town and go to any bar that's not a "greek" bar. Every college town has a bar (usually more hip and classy) that's populated by grad students. Plenty of girls with brains at those bars.

Some of these answers are ridiculous and scream "Douchebag" to any woman with half a brain. Being Alpha does not mean that you have to be an asshole or turn each innocent question/comment from the girl into a pissing contest.

I agree wholeheartedly.

These are responses that someone who wanted to be terse and short would say, not someone trying to get a girl interested in him.

I think you're confusing 'douchebag' and 'cocky/funny'. Let's face it, we're all not going to be as debonair as Prince Charming here, so most guys identify with being 'funny'. I sure as hell know when a girl is testing me--it's all about the tonality, context, and situation that both her question and your response are made in.

Know when to use these, know when not to. Many legendary PUAs swear by the 'shit-test defuse' as do I--and I can tell you from personal experience, it's working pretty well for me so far. And, I'm not 16--university student here. But you can game how you want to--maybe being more serious works better for you, but not for me.

Just want to say I thought your post was excellent. Sure some of the stuff looks a little douchebaggy on the page, but Alphas sometimes appear a little douchey (to the competition usually!). Tone and delivery are key, as you point out.

As recently as Wed night I met a guy who repeatedly told a women there was a smell of shit from her. I was appalled; but naturally, she loved it. Complain all you want guys, but he gauged the target perfectly.

[He also asked her what time their affair was starting "Is 3am ok? See I've got this guy at 2." --pointing at me. Loved it.]

I have to agree with the response to "buy me a drink".
Perhaps this particular one is a little too much but as a rule you
shouldn't buy her a drink just because she asks you too.
This IS a shit test and you should let her know that you know.
I'd probably say something like "why don't YOU buy ME a drink"
or something, it all depends on the situation.

Bottom line is you should let her know that she's not doing you a favor just by talking to you but at the same time that doesn't mean that you should be rude to her. I refuse to pay in order for someone to keep talking to me but that does not mean that both of us cannot have a good time and be polite to each other, especially if she seems genuinely interested in me.

what you and many others in the community need to understand is that these sort of lists and guides don't take the responsibility away from you to use your brain. If you're being testy all the time of course it's going to come off as try hard. use it in moderation and in a way that complements your style of conversation and these kind of lines can spice things up nicely.

the douchebag mentality isnt what gets the girl, youre not looking at this from the girls point of view. what the mentality displays is confidence, indifference, adventure, excitement, masculine and they appear to know how to talk to women (whether they truly know how, or not) . these traits are what attracts the girl.

as for these girls trying to make conversation. whether they are trying to, or not, the Alpha answers are appropriate. the alpha answers will spark better conversation than giving a legitimate answer. do you want to know why? it might be a little surprising to you but girls do not give a shit about what you do for a living, at a club. what you do for a living is boring to them they want to talk about themselves or interesting conversation in which both parties contribute. ie. "I clone humans" trust me, they dont.

i know im beating a dead horse here, but when has "Im a lawyer for Firm" ever warranted anything other than "oh thats cool" or "oh, good for you" ???

lastly, i will agree there is a difference between alpha and douchebag but you really have to be aware, and force yourself to cross that line. otherwise its unlikely youre going to come off as "douchebag". unless the girl you found is literally some over-the-top introvert, in which case, she wouldnt be at a bar in the first place

For bonus points: say "awww, you can't afford it?" with a genuinely empathetic look on your face, then grab her hand and shove a few nickels or otherwise hilariously insignificant change in it. Free kino, too.

It's (usually) a shit test because the woman would now be expecting you to do these 'sweet' things for her after a response like "Oh, anything for you!" or "Sure, no problem!" Give a response like that, next thing you know, they're asking for you to hold their purse.

I'm probably overthinking it but to me it seemed like a shit test from the perspective of -- if you are presenting a "bad boy" frame, and you do something nice out of the blue it may seem incongruent and she's calling you out on that.

The "Don't get used to it" response to "Aw that was so sweet" was my favorite on the list. I've gone along the lines of "Damnit, it was?" to similarly communicate that they shouldn't expect sweet things all the time, or that I wasn't purposefully giving them special treatment, but I think "Don't get used to it" works much better. TY OP

Nice list fabio your posts on seddit are getting better. Some of them cracked me up and its obvious not all these are shit tests in all cases since a lot become shit tests from how they are delivered or spoken so nice job.

Brilliant post, this is what we need more of. I would love to have a list of negs, disqualifiers etc. posted so when someone asks what they're about we can instantly refer them to some great examples rather reading through the theory.

Before my bf was my bf we were fooling around one night and I said something along these lines to him. His response was, while on laying on top of me half naked, "Oh, I'm not gonna sleep with you. Not tonight, anyway." Then he spent the next hour doing everything but sleep with me. My will power lasted exactly 23 hours after that.

OH PLEASE!!! I am going to visit this girl at school in 2 weeks (bout a 3hr drive because I also have to write these 2 tests at her school) and I am staying 2 nights. We have been talking for a while and we hooked up (foreplay on the 2nd night). Lately she has been giving me the "we're not having sex. It is a SLEEPOVER. We are sleeping" And then she will tell me that she thinks I think she likes me more than she really does etc, etc, don't want a relationship. But we are 20, and I am going to stay with her for 2 nights... is this sexy time? I don't give into her saying this stuff because I feel she actually wants me but won't give in to saying "yeah we're gonna have sex" so she just wants to tease? I plan on bring a condom variety pack...

Ever play just the tip with a girl? She will always pull you in because she wants it more than you do at that point. Same concept. Show her just a little bit of fun and hold back a little so she wants more until you can just bang the shit out of her.

i was on my phone in the club/bar tonight( i know lame) and tried the ALPHA RESPONSES: "I think you have me confused with every other guy you've ever met."
with a girl who i started gaming from early'er in the night ... all i can say is thank you, worked better than i expected, did it to her friend and number closed both. thanks again up vote you already know!

In the town I live in there are two universities; one old and established, one newer and with a lower reputation. I am at the later and when at social gatherings one of the first questions when opening girls is which Uni I study at.

Girls at the "better" university tend to use this as an initial shit test, filtering beta boys from the less prestigious university.

Sometimes I proclaim my allegiance and tell her I can be "her bit of rough" which has worked sometimes, but I've let some pretty high value girls slip through because of this. It must be due to my embarrassment but I'm pretty confident I can charm and game them regardless now.

Anyway, this situation must not be unique, and I'm sure can be transferred to where you work/what school you go to as well.

The girls I would date seriously may have gone to Havard (or Yale, Princeton, Brown, CMU, MIT, etc.; it's just really common in many of my social circles). So, I don't use an Ivy or prestigious school as an absurdified response (because it'd be too easy for them to take me seriously). So, I tell the truth:

"Oh, I'm a community college drop out. My parents are very proud."

And trust that two or three minutes of conversation will tell them all they need to know about my intelligence and education (both of which are quite comfortably high to where I rarely feel intellectually outgunned by anyone, including famously intelligent people). I have not yet lost a set because of this.

Or my response to how old are you ( i usually get this shit test bc i am young) Flip the question on them and guess a high number like off by 8 and then say "(disapointed)i'm 24 but if you where 5 years younger i would be all over you. We can still be friends tho :) "

Some of these are brilliant, but obviously they need to be used within reasonable situations depending on who it is. Not everyone will respond positively to all the "alpha responses." If you're playing a numbers game though most of these should work out.

I'm on a vacation now, and this girl which I'm currently in some strange kind of relationship with asks me to buy her something, but in a funny way, also I give her the neg answers, but dunno should I really get her the vacation gift.
If I do buy her something, how should I give it to her? Asking it because we're not in a REAL relationship, we're just hangin' out and having fun casually...

I get it. This is what I also had in mind.. but our relationship is like some deeper version of friends with benefits..
So I take that as a friendly gift... She also bought me one, so it would be really awkward if I don't get her something.. Comprende? :)

It depends. If you wish to be friends without sex and she gets you a gift then go ahead. If you are friends with sex and enjoy that then get a gift. It depends on where you wish to be and are. I too had a female friend as such and I adore the piss out of her. The rules however are clear and do not change. It's sad but true. So do what you wish and expect what the rules dictate.

I met an amazing girl that lives a few states away from me. She sent me a gift and a love note. I'm flying out to stay with her for a few days in a couple months and i was just about to send her a gift back. It was going to be pretty thoughtful and a not-too-expensive necklace.

My question is- should i be wary of how much time/money i put in? Should i hold back some for later maybe?

It's (usually) a shit test because the woman would now be expecting you to do these 'sweet' things for her after a response like "Oh, anything for you!" or "Sure, no problem!" Give a response like that, next thing you know, they're asking for you to hold their purse.

BETA RESPONSES: "Of course, no problem." "Anything for you."

ALPHA RESPONSES: "Don't get used to it."

The "Alpha Response" for this one would make you seem like an asshole. Actually, I'll say that for a lot of the "Alpha Responses."

The purpose of being Alpha is to show you are calm, collected, witty, and in control, not about being an ass to every woman.

I think guys should keep in mind that not eeeeeverything should be made into a joke. I mean, I have a sense of humor (and a pretty dry one at that), but if a guy did this to me every single time I asked a question, I'd get pretty annoyed (or maybe I'm just really attracted to beta males like Jesse Eisenberg, IDK).

I wonder if thiese responses work for girls/women as well. Don't see why they shouldn't...

I did the beta response for "I have a boyfriend!" -- "Oh, I'm sorry!" and I went away, didn't say anything further even Was fucking pathetic now that I think about it, but she was the first girl I ever asked out and I was pretty elated afterward for just doing it. Obviously, in retrospect, I should have have said something to break the tension instead of just walking away (we kind of knew each other).

Question: if you are looking to ask a girl out for girlfriend prospects, not just hookups, then there surely must be girls out there, still hot and smart, that would be okay or even like guys that are respectful of their current relationships? Although yes, saying I'm Sorry as if you are extremely guilty is not a great response, but you don't have to go ahead and insult her boyfriend indirectly like the Alpha responses.

Again, this is for those you see long-term girlfriend potential in, not just a few hookups.

Shit tests are much more offensive in my book. Women say them out of a subconscious attempt at disqualifying the men that approach them. If you fail the shit test, then they lose attraction to you. If you pass it, then you gain attraction.

This is mainly why most "Nice Guys™" say that women only date assholes. They always fail shit tests, but when they see guys pass them with crude humor, they get pissed off.

That's why this whole mating ritual is called a game. For one, if you really decide to play it, then it's really fun. But you have to know the rules if you want to play.