prof, on the radio this morning when discussing Alex Smith they opined how much better the Jags' chances would be if they had Smith at QB in their playoff run rather than Bortles(?). Also that Smith was asked to be a "Game Manager" by the Big Cheeseburger, which is what he did, but that he's capable of a lot more.

I think there's still a few games left in Smithy that there are a number of teams he could help.

prof, on the radio this morning when discussing Alex Smith they opined how much better the Jags' chances would be if they had Smith at QB in their playoff run rather than Bortles(?). Also that Smith was asked to be a "Game Manager" by the Big Cheeseburger, which is what he did, but that he's capable of a lot more.

I think there's still a few games left in Smithy that there are a number of teams he could help.

If they find that Cam didn't have the proper protocol administered, what sort of penalty needs to be handed out to the Panthers to prevent another team from doing the same thing?

The Seahawks were fined $100k and had to send some coaches/staff to training. Every team with a star QB is making that tradeoff to get their guy back in the game. Especially in a playoff game. There's close to no monetary fine they could administer that a team isn't shrugging it's shoulders at if increasing their chances to move on in the playoffs is on the line.

Andy Reid seems to become a mannequin in these games - I don't know how he keeps a job.

Philly fans have a tough reputation, yes, but people should understand this is exactly why he was let go despite a winning record. He’s an NFL football coach you want in September, not January. He charts everything and I mean everything. But once he’s off script or an opposing coach throws wrinkles at him, he freezes. By the time playoffs roll around, other teams are playing chess and the Big Cheeseburger is playing checkers.

He's obviously got his faults, but he's a really good coach. Remind me how much success the Eagles have had since letting him go?

Well they are the 1 seed in the NFC currently

Thanks.

It’s all about what an ownership and a fan base wants. Andy Reid is Mr. October for the wrong sport.If an ownership wants 10 wins a season after starting 6-0 or 6-1, the Big Cheeseburger is your man. Nobody works harder. He’s the student who spends every weekend in Tilton Library and earns every B he gets but no matter what, he’ll never be Phi Beta Kappa.

He won more than 10 games in a season 6 times with the Eagles, won 10 playoff games and got them to a Super Bowl (which they had a decent chance of winning), but sure go with that.

Your normal snark aside, you kind of reinforce my point. Andy was almost good enough but given every chance in the world, didn’t get it done. Norman Braman would have been happy with that but Jeffrey Lurie is not. Lurie would rather blow it all up and roll the dice with first Chip Kelly and now Doug Pederson and see if another way of doing things will get a ring. So far, Pederson has succeeded in giving the team a shot far quicker than anyone in Philadelphia expected. If not for a Wentz injury, we would be looking at a pretty good shot at a ring this year. Even if we exit early this year, I like our chances with a healthy Wentz next year.

If they find that Cam didn't have the proper protocol administered, what sort of penalty needs to be handed out to the Panthers to prevent another team from doing the same thing?

The Seahawks were fined $100k and had to send some coaches/staff to training. Every team with a star QB is making that tradeoff to get their guy back in the game. Especially in a playoff game. There's close to no monetary fine they could administer that a team isn't shrugging it's shoulders at if increasing their chances to move on in the playoffs is on the line.

If you can prove they didn't do something they should have within the next six days, just make said player sit out the next game, or even the remainder of the postseason. That would not only force the coaches to think about it twice, but since the player likely has some contract clauses about playing in various levels of playoff games, it might hit the player in the pocketbook too (maybe). Regardless, it would go a long way towards shutting up the fans who always side with "he's fine, don't be a wuss, put him back in".

Say Brady gets his bell rung this weekend and the cheating Pats consider blowing off the protocol (or Tom himself says, "I'm staying in"). The Pats win and they figure out he cheated the protocol. Whoops, now Brady is ineligible for the Steelers rematch AND the potential Super Bowl after that. Can you imagine? I'd think that would make folks take it more seriously.

If they find that Cam didn't have the proper protocol administered, what sort of penalty needs to be handed out to the Panthers to prevent another team from doing the same thing?

The Seahawks were fined $100k and had to send some coaches/staff to training. Every team with a star QB is making that tradeoff to get their guy back in the game. Especially in a playoff game. There's close to no monetary fine they could administer that a team isn't shrugging it's shoulders at if increasing their chances to move on in the playoffs is on the line.

If you can prove they didn't do something they should have within the next six days, just make said player sit out the next game, or even the remainder of the postseason. That would not only force the coaches to think about it twice, but since the player likely has some contract clauses about playing in various levels of playoff games, it might hit the player in the pocketbook too (maybe). Regardless, it would go a long way towards shutting up the fans who always side with "he's fine, don't be a wuss, put him back in".

Say Brady gets his bell rung this weekend and the cheating Pats consider blowing off the protocol (or Tom himself says, "I'm staying in"). The Pats win and they figure out he cheated the protocol. Whoops, now Brady is ineligible for the Steelers rematch AND the potential Super Bowl after that. Can you imagine? I'd think that would make folks take it more seriously.

Reasonable idea; however, given the precipitous drop in viewership that the NFL has had this year, I can guarantee that the powers that be would weigh the simple question- will a match-up between Pittsburgh and New England lose its luster if Brady is not at the helm? They will push the "Brady vs Big Ben" the entire week leading up to that game; this battle will certainly be worth a few more points in viewership.

Greenbacks would, unfortunately, have a major impact on such a decision.

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If they find that Cam didn't have the proper protocol administered, what sort of penalty needs to be handed out to the Panthers to prevent another team from doing the same thing?

The Seahawks were fined $100k and had to send some coaches/staff to training. Every team with a star QB is making that tradeoff to get their guy back in the game. Especially in a playoff game. There's close to no monetary fine they could administer that a team isn't shrugging it's shoulders at if increasing their chances to move on in the playoffs is on the line.

If you can prove they didn't do something they should have within the next six days, just make said player sit out the next game, or even the remainder of the postseason. That would not only force the coaches to think about it twice, but since the player likely has some contract clauses about playing in various levels of playoff games, it might hit the player in the pocketbook too (maybe). Regardless, it would go a long way towards shutting up the fans who always side with "he's fine, don't be a wuss, put him back in".

Say Brady gets his bell rung this weekend and the cheating Pats consider blowing off the protocol (or Tom himself says, "I'm staying in"). The Pats win and they figure out he cheated the protocol. Whoops, now Brady is ineligible for the Steelers rematch AND the potential Super Bowl after that. Can you imagine? I'd think that would make folks take it more seriously.

I was thinking they'd either need to take a high draft pick or suspend the coach for several games to get anyone to take it seriously. This would work too.

If they find that Cam didn't have the proper protocol administered, what sort of penalty needs to be handed out to the Panthers to prevent another team from doing the same thing?

The Seahawks were fined $100k and had to send some coaches/staff to training. Every team with a star QB is making that tradeoff to get their guy back in the game. Especially in a playoff game. There's close to no monetary fine they could administer that a team isn't shrugging it's shoulders at if increasing their chances to move on in the playoffs is on the line.

If you can prove they didn't do something they should have within the next six days, just make said player sit out the next game, or even the remainder of the postseason. That would not only force the coaches to think about it twice, but since the player likely has some contract clauses about playing in various levels of playoff games, it might hit the player in the pocketbook too (maybe). Regardless, it would go a long way towards shutting up the fans who always side with "he's fine, don't be a wuss, put him back in".

Say Brady gets his bell rung this weekend and the cheating Pats consider blowing off the protocol (or Tom himself says, "I'm staying in"). The Pats win and they figure out he cheated the protocol. Whoops, now Brady is ineligible for the Steelers rematch AND the potential Super Bowl after that. Can you imagine? I'd think that would make folks take it more seriously.

Reasonable idea; however, given the precipitous drop in viewership that the NFL has had this year, I can guarantee that the powers that be would weigh the simple question- will a match-up between Pittsburgh and New England lose its luster if Brady is not at the helm? They will push the "Brady vs Big Ben" the entire week leading up to that game; this battle will certainly be worth a few more points in viewership.

Greenbacks would, unfortunately, have a major impact on such a decision.

Very good point AO. I thought it sounded like a good idea but we already know that the NFL is more worried about their pocketbooks than about players' health.

If they find that Cam didn't have the proper protocol administered, what sort of penalty needs to be handed out to the Panthers to prevent another team from doing the same thing?

The Seahawks were fined $100k and had to send some coaches/staff to training. Every team with a star QB is making that tradeoff to get their guy back in the game. Especially in a playoff game. There's close to no monetary fine they could administer that a team isn't shrugging it's shoulders at if increasing their chances to move on in the playoffs is on the line.

If you can prove they didn't do something they should have within the next six days, just make said player sit out the next game, or even the remainder of the postseason. That would not only force the coaches to think about it twice, but since the player likely has some contract clauses about playing in various levels of playoff games, it might hit the player in the pocketbook too (maybe). Regardless, it would go a long way towards shutting up the fans who always side with "he's fine, don't be a wuss, put him back in".

Say Brady gets his bell rung this weekend and the cheating Pats consider blowing off the protocol (or Tom himself says, "I'm staying in"). The Pats win and they figure out he cheated the protocol. Whoops, now Brady is ineligible for the Steelers rematch AND the potential Super Bowl after that. Can you imagine? I'd think that would make folks take it more seriously.

But if you're in the playoffs and the choice is lose without him or put him back for a chance to win, there's still no downside for the team. Suspend the player (who's not the one who should be responsible here anyway) for the next game isn't a deterrent if there won't be a next game otherwise.

Andy Reid seems to become a mannequin in these games - I don't know how he keeps a job.

Philly fans have a tough reputation, yes, but people should understand this is exactly why he was let go despite a winning record. He’s an NFL football coach you want in September, not January. He charts everything and I mean everything. But once he’s off script or an opposing coach throws wrinkles at him, he freezes. By the time playoffs roll around, other teams are playing chess and the Big Cheeseburger is playing checkers.

He's obviously got his faults, but he's a really good coach. Remind me how much success the Eagles have had since letting him go?

Well they are the 1 seed in the NFC currently

Thanks.

It’s all about what an ownership and a fan base wants. Andy Reid is Mr. October for the wrong sport.If an ownership wants 10 wins a season after starting 6-0 or 6-1, the Big Cheeseburger is your man. Nobody works harder. He’s the student who spends every weekend in Tilton Library and earns every B he gets but no matter what, he’ll never be Phi Beta Kappa.

He won more than 10 games in a season 6 times with the Eagles, won 10 playoff games and got them to a Super Bowl (which they had a decent chance of winning), but sure go with that.

Your normal snark aside, you kind of reinforce my point. Andy was almost good enough but given every chance in the world, didn’t get it done. Norman Braman would have been happy with that but Jeffrey Lurie is not. Lurie would rather blow it all up and roll the dice with first Chip Kelly and now Doug Pederson and see if another way of doing things will get a ring. So far, Pederson has succeeded in giving the team a shot far quicker than anyone in Philadelphia expected. If not for a Wentz injury, we would be looking at a pretty good shot at a ring this year. Even if we exit early this year, I like our chances with a healthy Wentz next year.

Remind me again how many Super Bowls the Eagles have been to in the 40 whatever years that Reid wasn't their coach? How many NFC Championship Games? Only 1 team out of 32 gets to win the SB each year, if that's your criteria on judging coaches that's pretty silly.

I was so irritated the Chiefs blew that. I'm a Titans fan, but really dislike what Mularkey has done with the team. They have the talent to be so much better than what they put on the field this year and I was hoping getting dominated by the Chiefs would mean the end for Mularkey. Instead (with some ref help), he gets a playoff win and owner assurance he'll be back.

I was so irritated the Chiefs blew that. I'm a Titans fan, but really dislike what Mularkey has done with the team. They have the talent to be so much better than what they put on the field this year and I was hoping getting dominated by the Chiefs would mean the end for Mularkey. Instead (with some ref help), he gets a playoff win and owner assurance he'll be back.

I think the ceiling is 9-7 until he's gone.

Yeah, that's kind of disappointing. It would be nice to see what a legitimate coach could do with Mariota. Maybe someone like...Andy Reid?? (jk)

Remind me again how many Super Bowls the Eagles have been to in the 40 whatever years that Reid wasn't their coach? How many NFC Championship Games? Only 1 team out of 32 gets to win the SB each year, if that's your criteria on judging coaches that's pretty silly.

We could do this all day.

Short answer is one, one other SB appearance not under The Big Cheeseburger. A loss under Dick Vermeil in the 80s. And I’m not the one writing the paychecks so will remind you it was new owner Jeffrey Lurie who said that after the excellent success in the early 2000s, the organization hit a wall by the time Reid was let go after 12 years. Five NFC championship games, winning one. Plenty of time to get over the hump. At least one other NFC championship game under Reid in 2004 the Eagles were a heavy favorite and got outcoached or it would have been two SBs. Other teams had the book on Reid by then as they do now. If you are an owner who is happy with keeping the turnstiles clicking there’s a lot to like with Reid. Unlike the Saints or the Chiefs, Philadelphia has not had a championship in the Super Bowl era and Lurie decided it wouldn’t happen under Reid either. Lurie is a billionaire and doesn’t need more money. He wants to win a Super Bowl and so does the city. Last football championship was in 1960, before the Saints existed.

Remind me again how many Super Bowls the Eagles have been to in the 40 whatever years that Reid wasn't their coach? How many NFC Championship Games? Only 1 team out of 32 gets to win the SB each year, if that's your criteria on judging coaches that's pretty silly.

We could do this all day.

Short answer is one, one other SB appearance not under The Big Cheeseburger. A loss under Dick Vermeil in the 80s. And I’m not the one writing the paychecks so will remind you it was new owner Jeffrey Lurie who said that after the excellent success in the early 2000s, the organization hit a wall by the time Reid was let go after 12 years. Five NFC championship games, winning one. Plenty of time to get over the hump. At least one other NFC championship game under Reid in 2004 the Eagles were a heavy favorite and got outcoached or it would have been two SBs. Other teams had the book on Reid by then as they do now. If you are an owner who is happy with keeping the turnstiles clicking there’s a lot to like with Reid. Unlike the Saints or the Chiefs, Philadelphia has not had a championship in the Super Bowl era and Lurie decided it wouldn’t happen under Reid either. Lurie is a billionaire and doesn’t need more money. He wants to win a Super Bowl and so does the city. Last football championship was in 1960, before the Saints existed.

Wasn't their Super Bowl appearance against the Oakland Raiders in New Orleans?

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Remind me again how many Super Bowls the Eagles have been to in the 40 whatever years that Reid wasn't their coach? How many NFC Championship Games? Only 1 team out of 32 gets to win the SB each year, if that's your criteria on judging coaches that's pretty silly.

We could do this all day.

Short answer is one, one other SB appearance not under The Big Cheeseburger. A loss under Dick Vermeil in the 80s. And I’m not the one writing the paychecks so will remind you it was new owner Jeffrey Lurie who said that after the excellent success in the early 2000s, the organization hit a wall by the time Reid was let go after 12 years. Five NFC championship games, winning one. Plenty of time to get over the hump. At least one other NFC championship game under Reid in 2004 the Eagles were a heavy favorite and got outcoached or it would have been two SBs. Other teams had the book on Reid by then as they do now. If you are an owner who is happy with keeping the turnstiles clicking there’s a lot to like with Reid. Unlike the Saints or the Chiefs, Philadelphia has not had a championship in the Super Bowl era and Lurie decided it wouldn’t happen under Reid either. Lurie is a billionaire and doesn’t need more money. He wants to win a Super Bowl and so does the city. Last football championship was in 1960, before the Saints existed.

Wasn't their Super Bowl appearance against the Oakland Raiders in New Orleans?

Remind me again how many Super Bowls the Eagles have been to in the 40 whatever years that Reid wasn't their coach? How many NFC Championship Games? Only 1 team out of 32 gets to win the SB each year, if that's your criteria on judging coaches that's pretty silly.

We could do this all day.

Short answer is one, one other SB appearance not under The Big Cheeseburger. A loss under Dick Vermeil in the 80s. And I’m not the one writing the paychecks so will remind you it was new owner Jeffrey Lurie who said that after the excellent success in the early 2000s, the organization hit a wall by the time Reid was let go after 12 years. Five NFC championship games, winning one. Plenty of time to get over the hump. At least one other NFC championship game under Reid in 2004 the Eagles were a heavy favorite and got outcoached or it would have been two SBs. Other teams had the book on Reid by then as they do now. If you are an owner who is happy with keeping the turnstiles clicking there’s a lot to like with Reid. Unlike the Saints or the Chiefs, Philadelphia has not had a championship in the Super Bowl era and Lurie decided it wouldn’t happen under Reid either. Lurie is a billionaire and doesn’t need more money. He wants to win a Super Bowl and so does the city. Last football championship was in 1960, before the Saints existed.

Don't get me wrong, sometimes a coach stays around too long and change is needed. Maybe that's what happened in Philly, but to say he can't win the big one or can't get over the hump is ridiculous. To illustrate, take Vermeil...if Mike Jones doesn't stop Kevin Dyson six inches short of the end zone he's 0-3 in the SB including being on the wrong end of an historic upset...but because of that tackle he can "win the big one"? If that's the difference, then your (one's) criteria is dumb. This "book" thing is equally hilarious...someone should have let Belichick know about this book before the opener this year. Reid's a top 5ish(?) coach in the league...those guys don't grow on trees. You ever wonder why Pittsburgh is always good?

If they find that Cam didn't have the proper protocol administered, what sort of penalty needs to be handed out to the Panthers to prevent another team from doing the same thing?

The Seahawks were fined $100k and had to send some coaches/staff to training. Every team with a star QB is making that tradeoff to get their guy back in the game. Especially in a playoff game. There's close to no monetary fine they could administer that a team isn't shrugging it's shoulders at if increasing their chances to move on in the playoffs is on the line.

If you can prove they didn't do something they should have within the next six days, just make said player sit out the next game, or even the remainder of the postseason. That would not only force the coaches to think about it twice, but since the player likely has some contract clauses about playing in various levels of playoff games, it might hit the player in the pocketbook too (maybe). Regardless, it would go a long way towards shutting up the fans who always side with "he's fine, don't be a wuss, put him back in".

Say Brady gets his bell rung this weekend and the cheating Pats consider blowing off the protocol (or Tom himself says, "I'm staying in"). The Pats win and they figure out he cheated the protocol. Whoops, now Brady is ineligible for the Steelers rematch AND the potential Super Bowl after that. Can you imagine? I'd think that would make folks take it more seriously.

it's going to have to be something more than $100K... a team making $30-40 million in profit in a season is going to write that check in a heartbeat if it means they can keep their star in the game longer.. I like the idea of having the player forced to sit a week, but the NFLPA won't let that happen... my original thought was to dock the team a draft pick.. a 4th or 5th rounder for the first offense... 2nd rounder if you do it twice... not in a season... TWICE as a franchise. Teams will toe the line after the first pick is lost.

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If the Saints were totally healthy they would have a great shot to win it all. They are the most complete team in the NFL. I think the Buffalo game was the only game were all of the starters were healthy, and we saw how that turned out.

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If the Saints were totally healthy they would have a great shot to win it all. They are the most complete team in the NFL. I think the Buffalo game was the only game were all of the starters were healthy, and we saw how that turned out.

Maybe so, but you dance with the girl you brought.

The Eagles would be an entirely different team too had Sproules not gone down early in the season, lost Pro Bowl tackle Jason Peters, and lost Carson Wentz, possible NFL MVP, for the season late.

See you in Philly.

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If the Saints were totally healthy they would have a great shot to win it all. They are the most complete team in the NFL. I think the Buffalo game was the only game were all of the starters were healthy, and we saw how that turned out.

Maybe so, but you dance with the girl you brought.

The Eagles would be an entirely different team too had Sproules not gone down early in the season and Carson Wentz, possible NFL MVP, had not been lost for the season late.

See you in Philly.

That’s true, but the Saints have been hit extra hard with injuries all year: Armstead missed the first 6 games or so, Strief goes down in game 1, Lattimore missed a couple of games, Klein, Fleener, Peat, Okafor, and Vaccaro are on IR. It’s the next man up mentality in the NFL. I just hope we don’t run out of men.

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