I have checked the entire record of Vermillion County Indiana for Naturalization Records. There are none. And when I say I checked the records, I checked them all by hand at the Indiana State Archives. I saw most all of the surnames of my neighbors and friends from my hometown, but not my own. The records start pre-1900 and go to the 1950s. Having done this, there is no way to confirm citizenship since all of the Naturalization proceedings were done at the county level at that time. There will be no records with NARA due to this, as well.

I would like to establish "No Record" to be able to claim dual citizenship for my father, my brother, and me, but am at a loss as to where to go next.

Hi! From the breadth of your knowledge, I assume you've checked ancestry.com, footnote.com etc. If not, most public libraries have paid subscription--and so do Family History Centers, LDS.

My other suggestion is to request Giovanni's SS-5, (he almost certainly had an SSN even if you don't know it and even if he's not in the SSDI). It might be on his death certificate. Ask for the photocopy of the original application, not the numident. The SS-5 will show how he is qualified for SS. You can apply on the web.https://s044a90.ssa.gov/apps7/efoiassa/ ... SSA711.jsp

BTW, do you know where he lived between his first and second arrivals in the US?

do you know where he lived between his first and second arrivals in the US?

My 2 cents If he was in Braceville, Grundy, IL (from 1899 manifest)
The possible census indicates another earlier immig date
& naturalized
Note: may be living with the same? Boggetto family from
the 1899 manifest?

I have just found another ship manifest from 1912 when Giovanni's wife Orsola went back to Italy. She gave birth to their third child in Italy, and when they returned, the were listed as "Non-Resident Aliens."

Peg, most of the time from 1900 to 1907-8, he was located in Leechburg, PA (Armstrong County).

I also spoke with the Office of USCIS History & Library Archivist, who has no records, either. She suggested that if naturalization took place, it would most likely be in the Pennsylvania era. But, this would then make his wife an automatic citizen, which she clearly wasn't from the above ship's manifest. Also, the 1910 census states that papers had been filed, but not finalized. The odd thing is that 2 of the 3 children that arrived with her on this trip were born in the U.S., so they should be citizens, as well.

VJ, as for the earlier manifest, I have seen that one before, also, but do not think it is the same person because of the middle name and age. Thanks!

Pastore wrote:I also spoke with the Office of USCIS History & Library Archivist, who has no records, either.

Do you NARA or USCIS? If USCIS, please post the phone #. Many thanks, Peg

Peg, unfortunately, the phone number is a direct line, and I would hate to flood the lady who was extremely nice and helpful by posting it on a board. If you want to email me (webmaster@italianheritage.org), I'll send it to you directly.

I spoke with my Grandmother today, who related a story of Naturalizations that took place at a church/community center in Clinton (Vermillion Co.) Indiana. She does not know which court the judge was from, but it seems that this was a common practice at the time. I will be checking into this in the next couple of days. If anyone else has heard of this type of practice in the early 1900s, let me know. They say it was a Presbyterian group that organized them.

I have checked the entire record of Vermillion County Indiana for Naturalization Records. There are none. And when I say I checked the records, I checked them all by hand at the Indiana State Archives. I saw most all of the surnames of my neighbors and friends from my hometown, but not my own. The records start pre-1900 and go to the 1950s. Having done this, there is no way to confirm citizenship since all of the Naturalization proceedings were done at the county level at that time. There will be no records with NARA due to this, as well.

I would like to establish "No Record" to be able to claim dual citizenship for my father, my brother, and me, but am at a loss as to where to go next.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!!

if Giovanni Pastore in 1907 ship's manifest was US citizen, he must be in this database : U.S. Passport Applications, 1795-1925 (??)

father ALICE Sebastiano in Levona... joining Giovanni Pastore husband
also interesting the birthplace of children: Giovanni, Sebastiano, Domenico.... I don't understand if she was already citizen or no, maybe who have better eyes can read better.......

I checked out the Passport Applications (Thanks, suanj), and found no records of either, Giovanni, John, or Orsola Pastore in the records.

On the 1912 manifest, it says "NON-IMMIGRANT ALIEN" in a stamp over the names of Orsola, Giovanni (Jr.), and Sebastiano, at least, and possibly over Domenico, as well. This is odd, since Giovanni (Jr.), and Domenico were born in the U.S. while Sebastiano was born in Italy on the trip from which she just returned.

I am assuming that at this point, they (Giovanni and Orsola) are not yet citizens.

So with this information, I am no closer to finding any records proving citizenship one way or the other. Peg, I am going to take your advice and see if I can have USCIS do anything for me here, as I feel like there are no more avenues for me to search out. If anyone has any other ideas, please feel free to let me know.

Thanks Mike for the census info for 1920. Unfortunately, census records do not necessarily rule anything in or out. I have a suspicion that because of the 1910 census saying papers were filed and the 1918 Military registration which stated he was a citizen, that naturalization, if it occurred, happened in that time frame. I think, though, that since I have exhausted all means of finding an actual certificate, that I will go ahead and submit to USCIS at this point.

Does anyone know if there is a forum that discussed just the topic of submitting the Form g-639? If not, can anyone answer what I would need to send as far as "Proof of Death" since I cannot seem to find any records of that, as well. Also, any tips as to what should be entered would be helpful.

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