The studies don't say every religious person is a retard you know. It simply says that if you are religious you are more likely to be stupid. That said how far you go in the education system is not a way to judge intelligence. It is a way however to determine how well you may do in the field of work you may specialize in

Click to expand...

It's still saying I'm a moron, but anyway I know for a fact I will excel in my field of study. Academics is my main priority other than attending church, praying, etc..

thebestrpgman said:

They also are more likely to experience depression and there is a direct correlation with how religious they are and how likely they are to experience it. In my country they were 3 times more likely to experience it

Click to expand...

I don't suffer from depression. Nor have I ever allowed myself to reach that level. I've had low self-esteem before but that was due to not feeling confident about myself, which is why I'm trying to find a consistent schedule for me to workout.

They also are more likely to experience depression and there is a direct correlation with how religious they are and how likely they are to experience it. In my country they were 3 times more likely to experience it

Click to expand...

I don't suffer from depression. Nor have I ever allowed myself to reach that level. I've had low self-esteem before but that was due to not feeling confident about myself, which is why I'm trying to find a consistent schedule for me to workout.

Click to expand...

I was actually implying you need to be more careful to not fall into depression.

You know ... I reckon cult leaders look for depressed people to try and absorb into their cult more than normal people

I don't suffer from depression. Nor have I ever allowed myself to reach that level. I've had low self-esteem before but that was due to not feeling confident about myself, which is why I'm trying to find a consistent schedule for me to workout.

Click to expand...

I was actually implying you need to be more careful to not fall into depression.

You know ... I reckon cult leaders look for depressed people to try and absorb into their cult more than normal people. I agree.

Technically it is, because he said chances are you're more likely to be stupid, since it doesn't measure your education.

Click to expand...

It measures intelligence ... if a person lacks intelligence then they are stupid ... It seems like you are getting if you are a theist you must be stupid because that isn't what the studies show. A better way to put it would be theists are stupider than atheists, agnostics and deists overall.

Have you looked at the evidence because there is more than enough than we need. It's pretty conclusive.

What we evolve into next we don't know however it is something that would be based upon natural selection and our environments. So more physically attractive and more intelligent?

Click to expand...

That's the problem I have with before accepting Evolution. How can we evolve from primates but nobody knows what we will evolve from next? Artificial Intelligence? Androids?

Click to expand...

That's hardly enough of a reason to dismiss the how evolution thing. The reason we can't say for sure what we will evolve into is because we have don't know how technology may develop. People are making new discoveries and as humans we take advantage of those discoveries so it isn't possible to tell what we may become. The key advancement in our evolution from apes was the precision grip from having our fingers develop in such a way. We were able to make better weaponry which was essentially technology at the time

That's hardly enough of a reason to dismiss the how evolution thing. The reason we can't say for sure what we will evolve into is because we have don't know how technology may develop. People are making new discoveries and as humans we take advantage of those discoveries so it isn't possible to tell what we may become. The key advancement in our evolution from apes was the precision grip from having our fingers develop in such a way. We were able to make better weaponry which was essentially technology at the time

Click to expand...

That's more than enough reason not to believe it. I believe the Creation Story AND Evolution to some degree can co-exist without one side trying to dispel the other. But if scientists can create a theory that we evolved from apes, then they should be able to come up with an estimation of what we will evolve into next.

That's hardly enough of a reason to dismiss the how evolution thing. The reason we can't say for sure what we will evolve into is because we have don't know how technology may develop. People are making new discoveries and as humans we take advantage of those discoveries so it isn't possible to tell what we may become. The key advancement in our evolution from apes was the precision grip from having our fingers develop in such a way. We were able to make better weaponry which was essentially technology at the time

Click to expand...

That's more than enough reason not to believe it. I believe the Creation Story AND Evolution to some degree can co-exist without one side trying to dispel the other. But if scientists can create a theory that we evolved from apes, then they should be able to come up with an estimation of what we will evolve into next.

Click to expand...

It's really not especially if you are going to claim that you believe the creation story which is full of loads of flaws compared to evolution with few flaws (the only flaw being a couple of insignificant missing links which despite what fundamentalists tell you doesn't prove evolution wrong in the slightest). It is the equivalent of dismissing gravity because you don't believe the moon can effect water tides. This is something which we can observe and scientifically prove. It should also be noted that scientists didn't create the theory that we evolved from apes they only observed the fact we did. There is a huge difference between the two.

There are estimations ... there are loads of them however we do not know if any of them are true for the reason I mentioned earlier (there are probably more reasons as well ... this should be a vesti thread). Not that an estimation holds any relevance at all.

I would be interested in asking what exactly you believe when you say the creation story as if you dismiss evolution on such a pathetic whim as and estimation of whats to come I would expect the creation story you believe to actually be something that can't be so easily disproved

The creation story of Adam and Eve and evolution by the way are in direct conflict (which is why many Christians call Pokemon blasphemy)

It's really not especially if you are going to claim that you believe the creation story which is full of loads of flaws compared to evolution with few flaws (the only flaw being a couple of insignificant missing links which despite what fundamentalists tell you doesn't prove evolution wrong in the slightest). It is the equivalent of dismissing gravity because you don't believe the moon can effect water tides. This is something which we can observe and scientifically prove. It should also be noted that scientists didn't create the theory that we evolved from apes they only observed the fact we did. There is a huge difference between the two.

There are estimations ... there are loads of them however we do not know if any of them are true for the reason I mentioned earlier (there are probably more reasons as well ... this should be a vesti thread). Not that an estimation holds any relevance at all.

I would be interested in asking what exactly you believe when you say the creation story as if you dismiss evolution on such a pathetic whim as and estimation of whats to come I would expect the creation story you believe to actually be something that can't be so easily disproved

The creation story of Adam and Eve and evolution by the way are in direct conflict (which is why many Christians call Pokemon blasphemy)

Click to expand...

The only reason why I can believe the Creation Story is because it makes more sense than realizing I evolved from an ape. I've read it a thousand times and it's still more believable than Evolution. As a matter of fact, I don't ever recall books I've read about Evolution actually stating it's true, because if it was, then why are people still arguing about this if it's scientifically proven that the Creation Story is false?

Which means Evolution is not true, and it is still nothing more than a theory. Everyone can come up with their own theory as to how either side can be true but until scientists announce to the world it's a fact, then Evolution is still a theory. That's why I don't believe it.

It's really not especially if you are going to claim that you believe the creation story which is full of loads of flaws compared to evolution with few flaws (the only flaw being a couple of insignificant missing links which despite what fundamentalists tell you doesn't prove evolution wrong in the slightest). It is the equivalent of dismissing gravity because you don't believe the moon can effect water tides. This is something which we can observe and scientifically prove. It should also be noted that scientists didn't create the theory that we evolved from apes they only observed the fact we did. There is a huge difference between the two.

There are estimations ... there are loads of them however we do not know if any of them are true for the reason I mentioned earlier (there are probably more reasons as well ... this should be a vesti thread). Not that an estimation holds any relevance at all.

I would be interested in asking what exactly you believe when you say the creation story as if you dismiss evolution on such a pathetic whim as and estimation of whats to come I would expect the creation story you believe to actually be something that can't be so easily disproved

The creation story of Adam and Eve and evolution by the way are in direct conflict (which is why many Christians call Pokemon blasphemy)

Click to expand...

The only reason why I can believe the Creation Story is because it makes more sense than realizing I evolved from an ape. I've read it a thousand times and it's still more believable than Evolution. As a matter of fact, I don't ever recall books I've read about Evolution actually stating it's true, because if it was, then why are people still arguing about this if it's scientifically proven that the Creation Story is false?

Which means Evolution is not true, and it is still nothing more than a theory. Everyone can come up with their own theory as to how either side can be true but until scientists announce to the world it's a fact, then Evolution is still a theory. That's why I don't believe it.

Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk

Click to expand...

I don't think you know what theory means in science. A scientific theory is pretty much the highest level when it comes down to things we can determine as true. They have to be testable and falsifiable. Before the theory is accepted Not everyone can come up with a scientific theory as it gets tested by the scientific community. In fact gravity is also a theory. These theories are what you would consider facts. The only people left really arguing with evolution at this point are fundamentalists who find the theory of evolution offensive. Fundamentalists have generally held stuff like this back a lot throughout history so we have no real reason to listen to them.

None of that means evolution is not true either

It should be also noted that scientists don't announce anything to the world as a fact

I don't think you know what theory means in science. A scientific theory is pretty much the highest level when it comes down to things we can determine as true. They have to be testable and falsifiable. Before the theory is accepted Not everyone can come up with a scientific theory as it gets tested by the scientific community. In fact gravity is also a theory. These theories are what you would consider facts. The only people left really arguing with evolution at this point are fundamentalists who find the theory of evolution offensive. Fundamentalists have generally held stuff like this back a lot throughout history so we have no real reason to listen to them.

None of that means evolution is not true either

It should be also noted that scientists don't announce anything to the world as a fact

Click to expand...

So, if it is true, then basically Theology has been debunked and there is no point in believing in a non-existent deity? Where is the official documentation that Evolution is factual and isn't nothing more than scientific jargon? I want to see proof, not a YouTube video of someone's opinion.

Oh and LOL at the last sentence. They haven't announced anything because neither side can be proven false yet.

I don't think you know what theory means in science. A scientific theory is pretty much the highest level when it comes down to things we can determine as true. They have to be testable and falsifiable. Before the theory is accepted Not everyone can come up with a scientific theory as it gets tested by the scientific community. In fact gravity is also a theory. These theories are what you would consider facts. The only people left really arguing with evolution at this point are fundamentalists who find the theory of evolution offensive. Fundamentalists have generally held stuff like this back a lot throughout history so we have no real reason to listen to them.

None of that means evolution is not true either

It should be also noted that scientists don't announce anything to the world as a fact

Click to expand...

So, if it is true, then basically Theology has been debunked and there is no point in believing in a non-existent deity? Where is the official documentation that Evolution is factual and isn't nothing more than scientific jargon? I want to see proof, not a YouTube video of someone's opinion.

Oh and LOL at the last sentence. They haven't announced anything because neither side can be proven false yet.

Sent from my SPH-L710 using Tapatalk

Click to expand...

No it doesn't say theology has been debunked it says that the creationist story is false. It says nothing at all about Jesus or Yahweh not existing it only says that there is no garden of Edan that homed all the animals.

You don't need official documentation when there is proof around you. There is fossil there is evidence in animals left around us and as the youtube video showed with facts not someones opinion there is evidence in the ground around us. This is far from Scientific jargon this is facts put together and the phenomena that is shown to occur given a name. That's what the theory is I don't know what you have in your head of this proving there is no god as that is far from what the theory is showing. Science is essentially to work out that around us and explain it and view it in detail in other words observing nature.

It's not announced for the reason I stated they don't announce anything that's largely part of how it works. Everything that science shows is like this it's not just evolution. It goes from earthquakes to the waves of the sea to air resistance. Even to pots of yoghurt and the particles in a drink. These can all be demonstrated and shown evolution is just one of these things.