I’ve been a pc gamer all of my days, since 286′s, but I wouldn’t be blinkered enough to claim ‘teh consoles are shit. pc is leeeeeeet!’

Pc’s do MANY, MANY things, but the games part comes about though sheer grunt brute force, usually because of piss poor optimisation. Consoles do ONE thing, they play games, they are built for it and optimised for it.. and they do it well (apart from resolution, and aparently the xbone 180, yes I disparage it but only because of the major screw up MS made, still can’t generally do 1080p even this gen.. that’s a bad point). Consoles will be faster in general for the games they run for about 2 years before our new gpus manage to outrun the new memory architectures through sheer horsepower.. that’s not a boast, it’s just physics/moore’s law/obvious from past performance…. So at the end of the day it matters not a jot, except for the fact that the pc will benefit from easy porting..NICE.

My point, before my brain sidetracked me, was… AMD have officially pissed me off, and I’ll never buy their brand again despite them being the majority of my gpu spending decisions over the years… and WHY?, do I hear you ask? Because despite the PC market keeping amd going, that they are afloat ‘JUST’ is simply due to their own mistakes in the market, they kept all of their major innovations and put most of their research into a different market, effectively selling substandard second class goods to the pc market, whilst dealing with the consoles to give them better tech…. and YES, THAT PISSES ME OFF.

AMD can go fuck themselves for any further business for me, as far as I am concerned, they are no longer relevent, and can stay wth their new friends, who they obviously prefer to court over their existing loyal market.

So, in summary, console v PC.. no biggie.. we should all, instead, save our angst to give the hardware companies a kick in the balls.

]]>By: SAimNEhttp://www.vg247.com/2013/02/28/ps4-apu-by-far-the-most-powerful-amd-has-produced/comment-page-1/#comment-543356
Sun, 29 Sep 2013 03:47:36 +0000http://www.vg247.com/?p=344686#comment-543356@47 you are really underestimating AMD. the apu was already a pretty solid option for low-mid gaming while paying 15-30% less than a similar spec intel+nvidia combo. Add in the options of GDDR5(most likely on board) and possibly even DDR4 in the near future, and you have further improvements. Then you can slap on the fact that HSA is turning out to have been an extremely sound investment of their time, and then finally add in mantle to up the gpu utilization, better driver support to increase the dual graphics options, and truaudio to make even less strain on the cpu when gaming

apus completely dominate the low-mid gaming market for anyone who has a brain, and it looks like they may break into the mid-high range gaming market in the gen after kaveri(or maybe even with kaveri)

if you dont believe me you should actually spend a little bit of time going over the architecture and proposed gameplans amd has been releasing in the recent months. I am interested in haswell(especially the power efficiency) but nowhere near as interested in it as an apu that can easily wipe the floor with it in gaming for 2/3rds the price.

]]>By: Christopher Jackhttp://www.vg247.com/2013/02/28/ps4-apu-by-far-the-most-powerful-amd-has-produced/comment-page-1/#comment-516836
Tue, 30 Jul 2013 04:09:41 +0000http://www.vg247.com/?p=344686#comment-516836@45, You have really overestimated AMD. I love to root for the underdog & I love AMD’s generally great performance/price ratio but I don’t think having their processors & GPUs in both next gen consoles is going to make a difference to how games are developed for PC, nor much of an impact on Intel+Nvidia’s sales.
]]>By: Christopher Jackhttp://www.vg247.com/2013/02/28/ps4-apu-by-far-the-most-powerful-amd-has-produced/comment-page-1/#comment-516835
Tue, 30 Jul 2013 03:59:09 +0000http://www.vg247.com/?p=344686#comment-516835Well the A10-6800K is about as powerful as a low end 3rd gen i5
]]>By: wildBoarhttp://www.vg247.com/2013/02/28/ps4-apu-by-far-the-most-powerful-amd-has-produced/comment-page-1/#comment-516828
Tue, 30 Jul 2013 02:32:49 +0000http://www.vg247.com/?p=344686#comment-516828@20 Both PS4 and X1 utilize AMD, all next gen games, their PC equivalents included, will most likely be optimised for AMD tech, it’s this gen’s standard tech. When pretty much every game engine will be optimised for AMD, I doubt Intel or even Nvidia is a very strong choice.
You’ll propably get way more diminishing returns from that kind of hardware at least, one thing’s sure and that’s that AMD has struck gold with these deals. Practically gotten a monopoly over gaming hardware for the next 10 years or so.
]]>By: Kretenhttp://www.vg247.com/2013/02/28/ps4-apu-by-far-the-most-powerful-amd-has-produced/comment-page-1/#comment-516817
Tue, 30 Jul 2013 00:27:27 +0000http://www.vg247.com/?p=344686#comment-516817It’s most powerfull APU because they didn’t do the one for xbox one as it was done custom in house based on amd apu (these people always get you, unless u think carefully what they are saying)
]]>By: TheDuckPortalhttp://www.vg247.com/2013/02/28/ps4-apu-by-far-the-most-powerful-amd-has-produced/comment-page-1/#comment-511795
Mon, 15 Jul 2013 01:10:09 +0000http://www.vg247.com/?p=344686#comment-511795The only reason its the most powerful APU that AMD have produced is because APUs are put into laptops not desktops… (if im not mistaken).
theirs a big difference between a dedicated GPU and an APU which is GPU and a CPU combined into one.
]]>By: ashishkashyap25http://www.vg247.com/2013/02/28/ps4-apu-by-far-the-most-powerful-amd-has-produced/comment-page-1/#comment-504844
Thu, 27 Jun 2013 13:17:59 +0000http://www.vg247.com/?p=344686#comment-504844http://www.bubblews.com/news/724534-microsoftgame-over
]]>By: docwilyhttp://www.vg247.com/2013/02/28/ps4-apu-by-far-the-most-powerful-amd-has-produced/comment-page-1/#comment-465197
Thu, 04 Apr 2013 00:03:47 +0000http://www.vg247.com/?p=344686#comment-465197If consoles had great keyboard and mouse support, I’d buy one tomorrow. Only thing is that I find controllers annoying for FPS games.

There are games that I enjoy a lot more, using a controller… I might add

I’d say the reason that Sony and others are using PC-like architecture is to make it easier for developers to run their game engines accross multiple platforms.

PS4 will be king for a while, but as we all know and if Moore’s law holds true, then we’ll have PCs twice as powerful 18 months or so after it’s release.

just my 2c

]]>By: Red Demonhttp://www.vg247.com/2013/02/28/ps4-apu-by-far-the-most-powerful-amd-has-produced/comment-page-1/#comment-453141
Thu, 28 Feb 2013 22:27:43 +0000http://www.vg247.com/?p=344686#comment-453141Even though the PS4 specs don’t match the PC’s, I don’t need to pay a shitload of money just enjoy great games. Don’t get me wrong, I like the PC because I only play certain games on it such as Starcraft and other RTS games. I can buy a PS4 for a lower price and have fun with my friends.
]]>By: Christopher Jackhttp://www.vg247.com/2013/02/28/ps4-apu-by-far-the-most-powerful-amd-has-produced/comment-page-1/#comment-453092
Thu, 28 Feb 2013 20:30:26 +0000http://www.vg247.com/?p=344686#comment-453092@38, Then explain the Wii emulator.
]]>By: Loundshttp://www.vg247.com/2013/02/28/ps4-apu-by-far-the-most-powerful-amd-has-produced/comment-page-1/#comment-453080
Thu, 28 Feb 2013 20:03:33 +0000http://www.vg247.com/?p=344686#comment-453080@37 that’s mainly to do with legal implementations. After 10 years it’s fair game. Hense all the NES, SNES emulators for phones etc.
]]>By: Gekidamihttp://www.vg247.com/2013/02/28/ps4-apu-by-far-the-most-powerful-amd-has-produced/comment-page-1/#comment-452981
Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:56:13 +0000http://www.vg247.com/?p=344686#comment-452981So many butthurt PC tards. Hilarious!

“We’ll be playing emulated PS4 games on our PC in the next 5 years. Easy.”
lol PC cant even emulate the “ancient” PS3 & 360 yet.

@29 No, the PS4 is certainly better. I mean an i7 with 600 Series is a bagazillion times better indeed, though let us not turn this magical moment for console players into (beg your pardon) shitstorm.

@33 Agreed.

]]>By: Dragon246http://www.vg247.com/2013/02/28/ps4-apu-by-far-the-most-powerful-amd-has-produced/comment-page-1/#comment-452890
Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:13:44 +0000http://www.vg247.com/?p=344686#comment-452890@33
I was joking!
I also mildly like Patcher. He definitely isn’t as bad as he is is made out to be imo.
]]>By: Mike Whttp://www.vg247.com/2013/02/28/ps4-apu-by-far-the-most-powerful-amd-has-produced/comment-page-1/#comment-452881
Thu, 28 Feb 2013 14:00:57 +0000http://www.vg247.com/?p=344686#comment-452881@28

I see where you are coming from. I enjoyed the hip-hop during my teenage years in the 90s. I can’t really get into the trash that they play nowadays.

In any case, I never heard of gametagrarido until I’ve seen in on N4G and the only reason I clicked on the link is because they had M. Patcher as a guest (believe it or not, I enjoy his input on the gaming industry)

But I should’ve known better with a site with the name gamertag in it. All they did was bash the PS4 and stated it was a “ok” performance. But I know if I can call these guys journalists. All of us on here can get together and create a site and report on what we like and don’t like about these manufacturers, does that make us journalists?

]]>By: Dragon246http://www.vg247.com/2013/02/28/ps4-apu-by-far-the-most-powerful-amd-has-produced/comment-page-1/#comment-452856
Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:15:44 +0000http://www.vg247.com/?p=344686#comment-452856Some info, if anyone is in UK and wants to try plus, head over to Eurogamer. They are conducting a giveaway.http://www.eurogamer.net/giveaways.php?id=87209

Here is one from me-
66PN-GCNQ-2P8B
Enjoy!

]]>By: redwoodhttp://www.vg247.com/2013/02/28/ps4-apu-by-far-the-most-powerful-amd-has-produced/comment-page-1/#comment-452851
Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:07:41 +0000http://www.vg247.com/?p=344686#comment-452851@29 u seem to know more about AMD tech than AMD.. good for you man
]]>By: roadkillhttp://www.vg247.com/2013/02/28/ps4-apu-by-far-the-most-powerful-amd-has-produced/comment-page-1/#comment-452845
Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:00:24 +0000http://www.vg247.com/?p=344686#comment-452845LOL what? PS4 tech is 2 years old. How can it be better than the current PC generation!?
]]>By: Erthazushttp://www.vg247.com/2013/02/28/ps4-apu-by-far-the-most-powerful-amd-has-produced/comment-page-1/#comment-452802
Thu, 28 Feb 2013 11:54:35 +0000http://www.vg247.com/?p=344686#comment-452802PS4 APU “by far the most powerful” that is based on Jaguar the successor to Brazos 2.0. END OF STORY.
MY grandmother PC with Dual core i3 will have more power then this shit because cores mean nothing when there are “Logical processors”.
AMD chipsets are so cheap and that’s the reason why they always losing in the market compared to Intel not to mention that AMD stuff is just cheaper in general.

+ it’s AMD. their processors are the weakest on the market compared to any Intel’s architecture.

So nope, cheap processor with x86 format for a console. The extension of this generation.

]]>By: Dragon246http://www.vg247.com/2013/02/28/ps4-apu-by-far-the-most-powerful-amd-has-produced/comment-page-1/#comment-452787
Thu, 28 Feb 2013 11:43:37 +0000http://www.vg247.com/?p=344686#comment-452787@26,
You know Game Journos are morons (not of vg247), don’t you ?
And a union of Hip-Hop and gaming sucks.
]]>By: DrDamnhttp://www.vg247.com/2013/02/28/ps4-apu-by-far-the-most-powerful-amd-has-produced/comment-page-1/#comment-452779
Thu, 28 Feb 2013 11:26:41 +0000http://www.vg247.com/?p=344686#comment-452779@26
The cpus in both PS4 and Durango are x64 (or X86-64) and therefore the size of memory isn’t a problem form either machine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64
]]>By: Mike Whttp://www.vg247.com/2013/02/28/ps4-apu-by-far-the-most-powerful-amd-has-produced/comment-page-1/#comment-452774
Thu, 28 Feb 2013 11:15:52 +0000http://www.vg247.com/?p=344686#comment-452774Well this interesting, I’m not that tech savvy at all, so maybe one of you guys can help me.

I was just listening to a podcast from ‘gamertagradio’ and there was a guy on there that stated the x86 cpu wouldn’t be able to read the whole 8 gigs of ram. Is that true?

]]>By: Christopher Jackhttp://www.vg247.com/2013/02/28/ps4-apu-by-far-the-most-powerful-amd-has-produced/comment-page-1/#comment-452751
Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:40:27 +0000http://www.vg247.com/?p=344686#comment-452751I think a lot of people need some education about the x86 architecture: x86 is the architecture, 64 bit is an extension. x64 or x86-64 is just a quick colloquial way of differentiating between that & the former 32bit extension. In fact, x86 originally started as 16 bit.
]]>By: Joe Musashihttp://www.vg247.com/2013/02/28/ps4-apu-by-far-the-most-powerful-amd-has-produced/comment-page-1/#comment-452744
Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:37:04 +0000http://www.vg247.com/?p=344686#comment-452744@19. Great post. Salient points clearly made. Agree 100%

JM

]]>By: ps4fanboyhttp://www.vg247.com/2013/02/28/ps4-apu-by-far-the-most-powerful-amd-has-produced/comment-page-1/#comment-452742
Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:27:58 +0000http://www.vg247.com/?p=344686#comment-452742Woohoo!!!
]]>By: Samoan Spiderhttp://www.vg247.com/2013/02/28/ps4-apu-by-far-the-most-powerful-amd-has-produced/comment-page-1/#comment-452741
Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:26:16 +0000http://www.vg247.com/?p=344686#comment-452741@20 wrong on the old tech. This is new tech, hence AMD talking about it. The point is that you can build an equivalent PC (I have almost exactly the same, just a 4 core CPU instead of an 8 Core APU) but you wont get the optimisations that come with console development so the point is moot. I accept this and I’m very happy with how my games look and run. Now to counter your childish Intel comment, Intel haven’t got an APU of this nature and quality available. Can you imagine and Atom powered PS4? Me neither, so back in your box mate, your being a tosser and giving PC players a bad name AGAIN!
]]>By: Gadzooks!http://www.vg247.com/2013/02/28/ps4-apu-by-far-the-most-powerful-amd-has-produced/comment-page-1/#comment-452740
Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:24:00 +0000http://www.vg247.com/?p=344686#comment-452740Can we get rid of this trolling piece of crap, PLEASE???
]]>By: PC_PlayBoyhttp://www.vg247.com/2013/02/28/ps4-apu-by-far-the-most-powerful-amd-has-produced/comment-page-1/#comment-452737
Thu, 28 Feb 2013 10:14:52 +0000http://www.vg247.com/?p=344686#comment-452737PS4 is already old tech. Why would anyone want to build a new PC round such tech when they can get better components?

Anyway, Intel is where it’s at. AMD suck

We’ll be playing emulated PS4 games on our PC in the next 5 years. Easy.