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The boys discuss Magento Order Management, Phillip dropping his album, Page Builder, and the new Adobe Commerce Cloud logo.

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This episode was also live-streamed so if you wanna the boys’ beautiful faces, click here.

1:19 Gotta Get Some Shares Out

The boys guesstimate how many days out we are from Imagine. Respect the estimation skills.

Kalen also talks about going “full metro” if he ever worked for Something Digital.

3:10 April Fools Day

Phillip lets us know that it is April Fools day and his daughter’s birthday and that he has already been tricked several times before recording this episode.

4:14 “This Is My New Vibe”

Phillip hears a strange sound from Kalen’s audio and Kalen lets him know that he’s recording from his garage and that it’s his new vibe.

Phillip also asks Kalen to prove his darts skills. This is quality podcasting.

6:04 That Album Drop Tho

Kalen just did an entire Periscope talking about Phillip’s album that just dropped. Kalen is also very impressed at the fact that Phillip was able to drop an album amidst an onslaught of other activities and pursuits.

Phillip talks about the changes he made in his life that have allowed him the time to record the album and how these changes have evened out other facets of his day to day life.

Not to say I predicted the album drop but did I predict Phillip’s musician persona last year? You tell me.

Kalen fills for time when Phillip has to step away for a bit and lets us know that Slava Kravchuk (@slkra) from Atwix will be on the podcast soon to talk about his recent trip to Africa.

16:46 Stay Tuned

The boys will also be having several people from the Magento Certification Team on the show soon to talk about some of their recent certifications.

16:55 A Quick Throwback

Phillip mentions how amazing the most recent MageTalk Episode with Lee Goldsworthy from coursegenius.com was. If you haven’t already done so, have a listen.

19:24 Does MOM Need a Certification?

Phillip asks if Magento Order Management is pervasive enough to require its own certification. Do you think it needs one?

Phillip might be deprecated soon with all these new certifications.

Kalen asks what the difference is between MOM and ERP.

24:47 Phillip’s MOM Situation

Phillip brings up a situation he was in recently where Magento Order Management would have been helpful for him.

Here’s a hint: it’s about shoes. Due to an error, Phillip accidentally ordered 4 pairs of the exact same show. Find out how he thinks this could have been prevented.

There also might be a show title in here somewhere…

Find out what Phillip means by slapping elevators.

30:17 Kalen Talks About Titles

Kalen talks a bit about how everyone uses different job titles for the same thing and how it’s impossible to tell the difference between some of them. Pretty much, a lot of different titles mean the same thing with different pay rates.

31:15 Shoutout for the Show Notes

Phillip (very kindly) gives a shoutout for the show notes and how he has recently used them to reference the content of previous episodes. Kalen also calls the show notes an “underrated gem”.

This was pretty much my reaction.

32:00 More Banana Content?

Phillip mentions using the show notes to find out when the inception of Kalen’s “pornographic” banana obsession took place.

We also find out that Kalen just bought three banana racks from Bed Bath & Beyond recently…

Some things never change…

34:05 Integrated Ad Time

The boys “seamlessly” work in an ad for MageMojo for all your Magento hosting needs.

They’re pretty cool if I don’t say so myself.

Kalen also creates a new MageMojo dance.

36:35 Phillip Has a Question

Phillip asks Kalen what he knows and feels about Magento promising that Page Builder would be a module, and then changing their minds and saying that it would no longer be a module.

Did Magento ever actually commit to Page Builder being a paid module in the marketplace? Phillip also lets Kalen know that the Magento Twitter community doesn’t seem too happy about the change.

Kalen lets us know his thoughts and also informs us that he hates parallax scroll.

41:34 Ward Has Left The Building

Phillip casually mentions that Andrea Ward (@awatpa) is no longer at Magento (because she went over to Adobe) and Kalen is taken by surprise that she no longer focuses on Magento at all.

Phillip cautiously brings up (at the risk of losing his MC of Imagine gig) the fact that Brad Rencher (@bradrencher) has recently left Adobe.

42:57 The New Adobe Commerce Cloud Logo

The boys talk about the new Adobe Commerce Cloud logo that was unveiled at this year’s Adobe Summit.

Phillip says that if you look hard enough and cross your eyes a little bit, the logo looks like the demogorgon from Stanger Things… He also says that it kind of looks like a demented “M” smiling at you.

Phillip also breaks down exactly what Adobe Commerce Cloud is and the fact that it is a completely different product from Magento.

The boys sit down with Lee Goldsworthy, a merchant who takes them through his extensive and impressive vetting of eCommerce platforms and guides us through his own journey towards settling on Magento.

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Show Notes

1:35 A Gold Standard Interview

Today the boys are joined by Lee Goldsworthy (@leegoldsworthy), the co-founder and director of coursegenius.com. He joins the boys from Perth, so everyone please give him a collective g’day mate.

2:48 Some Nice Words About MageTalk

Before they began recording, Lee was leading with some kind words about MageTalk. Let’s see if those words stay nice.

3:26 First, Some Backstory

Kalen asks Lee to talk about his professional history and what brought him where he is today. Lee gives us some more information about coursegenius.com, the journey he went through in finding Magento, and what finally made him decide on the platform.

Kalen gets really excited about a feature matrix that Lee has shared with him and proceeds to get nerdy.

Please take a look at this thing. It’s seriously impressive.

8:32 eCommerce Thunderdome

Lee and his team put Shopify Plus, WooCommerce, Big Commerce, and a couple different versions of Magento side by side. With these comparisons, Lee saw that the Magento commerce suite contained features that would be very important to his team.

Lee and his team also worked with each of the eight final choices in a two week sprint to see what worked best.

The final contenders (after the ungodly amount of effort they put into the sprints) were Magento Commerce Cloud (Starter) and BigCommerce for which they then performed a two month drill with each.

11:14 Some Winkle Wisdom

Phillip has an interesting benefit of being in the system integrator community and gives some insight into the process of shopping around for the correct solution.

He then asks Lee what led him to go through such an intense and hands on process while choosing their eCommerce platform.

Why do you think they did it?

15:20 The IT Failure Quotient

The boys drop some interesting numbers regarding the surprisingly high failure rate of IT projects. At 80%, this number easily dwarfs the percentage of failures in other areas, but why does this happen?

Lee goes into more detail and breaks down some of the numbers and the reasons behind them.

“In IT, we have an amazing inability to communicate the gravity and the duration of the decisions that are made to the rest of the commercial team.”

-Lee Goldsworthy

19:35 If It Only Had This…

Phillip asks Lee if there was anything he knew wasn’t as good in the Magento ecosystem as it was in other ecosystems.

Lee talks about the gaps in their research and the actual features of Magento itself. One of the main issues involved the marketing team and their difficulties with any and all SEO. CMS engines were much stronger in this regard.

They also had to have a look at the Magento Commerce space if they wanted to get more than 2/3 of the way through the Google Tag Manager experience. This was a big surprise because the Magento guides made it seem like the product was much further along than it was in reality.

23:40 Keeping it Positive

To balance out the negative, Kalen asks Lee to talk about the features for which Magento had a clear advantage.

Lee breaks them down into three main categories:

The depth of integrator community

The category ecosystem was more complete than other providers

Configuration of all core components

Some really good information in this segment.

28:06 Payment Gateway Support

Another factor that Lee really liked was the depth of Magento’s payment gateway support, and not only support, but native core functionality.

Lee also breaks down the difference between core functionality and third party plugins.

30:25 A Standing Ovation

Phillip gives Lee a standing ovation for not only his idealistic approach to finding the best solution, but also for his technical ability to see it through. Phillip then asks Lee if this diligence is a part of the culture of the company or if it stems from somewhere else.

Lee says that it is because they are thrifty and don’t want to spend exorbitant amounts of money when all it takes to save that money is some effort.

He then goes on to drop some poetic bars about software engineers.

36:05 Cheapskates, But In The Wrong Way

Phillip talks about how some companies that he has seen are cheap in the wrong way. What does this mean? What is a spiderface?

All your questions might not be answered.

37:42 One Last Shoutout to the Magento Ecosystem

Lee harkens back to one last positive about the Magento Ecosystem before moving to the next topic: payment gateways.

Find out what Lee discovered in Magento that is miles ahead of other platforms. Here’s a hint: it’s Braintree.

Lee also talks about how they spiked the various Tier 1 Customers support responses from the platforms they were testing to get an idea of what the support experience would be like during the initial years of implementation.

42:30 Bundling Up

The final positive aspect that Lee brings up about Magento is configurable products and how this feature is vastly more mature in Magento than in any of the other ecosystems.

Phillip comments how people still find ways to complain about things even if they are more robust than they are anywhere else.

43:38 Phillip Wants the Cheat-codes

Phillip asks Lee about the things he looks for in an integrator that are automatic opt-outs or red flags for being able to have a long lasting relationship with said integrator.

Lee says that ecosystem buy-in from a vendor is the major telling point for knowing if a vendor will be a valuable match.

45:50 “Do you want me to plug a competitor?”

Phillip then asks Lee to discuss the types of community involvement that are positive indicators for integrator matching. Lee then plugs a competitor.

Lee says that for their own integrator, they settled on Aligent Consulting. Lee then discusses the signs that made it obvious that this was a good fit.

50:12 Missteps

After all the tremendously impressive effort put in by Lee and his team, Phillip asks Lee where he thinks that the search went awry or if they made any mistakes.

Lee says that one of the more recent discoveries was that they underspec’d the continuous integration piece and they also made some bold assumptions about the maturity of some of the best supported extensions that didn’t quite come to fruition.

53:48 “I’d Love To Hear More About Your Commerce Hero Experience”

Kalen asks Lee to talk about his Commerce Hero experience. Lee discusses the process his team used to select their Solutions Architect.

56:38 Spotlight on Phillip

Lee asks Phillip how he feels about his designs being poked by a third party entity and then having those designs come back to him for implementation with modifications stemming from a third party architect that move away from his own organizational design patterns.

Phillip brings up a talk that he recently did at the Philadelphia eCommerce Meet Up that covers a situation very similar to this.

1:00:52 One More Commerce Hero Thing

Lee brings up one more glowing recommendation about Commerce Hero, this one specifically praising it for its ability as an upscaling tool.

Kalen must be glowing right now.

1:03:07 MageTalk Community Questions

Phillip is curious and trying to discern what MageTalk listeners would potentially like to ask Lee. Phillip also comes up with the idea of doing a live Q&A with Lee.

1:04:19 Time For YOUR Questions

Kalen asks Lee if he is at all interesting in helping out other merchants in a more “involved” way. Lee says that he is more than happy to happy any questions you might have and invites everyone to contact him via his LinkedIn Profile with your inquiries.

Mentions/Links

The boys get into some of the nitty-gritty details of UPWARD, talk about some of their failures, and play Yes/Yes/No with some confusing tweets.

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Show Notes

1:32 From “A” to “The”

The boys try to remember when they meant the jump for “A Magento Community Podcast” to “The Magento Community Podcast”.

2:38 Server Struggles

MageTalk has been running on AWS on WordPress for years now, and every once in a while, the server goes out.

Sad times for MageTalk.com

Phillip found out the MageTalk.com was down by visiting the site himself (thankfully it was only for 90 minutes).

Kalen hasn’t really experienced any downtime himself.

5:30 A Magento Community Meme

Kalen brings up a post from MageTest Fest that featured Anton Krill and in the comments, someone posted “#krillinit”.

Is this t-shirt worthy?

Phillip calls Kalen out for thinking that he has beef with people that he doesn’t have any beef with.

7:32 Do I sense a show title?

Kalen brings up that he almost tweeted that he doesn’t want people to say “fair enough” anymore because it’s just a catch-all for when you have nothing to say.

Phillip provides examples.

9:20 PWA Acronyms

Kalen was taking a look at the PWA Studio release and the first thing he noticed was the UPWARD specs.

Phillip asks Kalen to talk about what UPWARD is. Here’s a hint: it stands for Unified Progressive Web App Response Definition. Say that five times fast.

Also, every other Thursday, Phillip gets on a one-hour video zoom where he answers questions from the community.

14:20 Some Real Time Brainstorming

Phillip asks Kalen how he would code and bring together disparate services in his PWA.

Kalen goes into some details on what he would do and gets technical.

The boys also give some real-world explanations on what UPWARD is.

18:52 Don’t Talk Over Me

Phillip brings up a potentially controversial topic in that the Magento PWA team communicates and releases documentation that speaks above most of the general audience who reads this. Phillip also says how he should be the target audience, and yet it is still far too technical.

Phillip also gives a great example of how technical guides and publications should be written by bringing up a book called Eloquent Javascript.

Kalen agrees.

25:06 Options Upon Options

Kalen brings up another portion of the UPWARD doc was the part where it talks about the different options on how the PWA is going to run. They are as follows:

Option 1- Use a node server in production

Option 2- Do it with PHP (but can you actually do it in PHP?)

The boys weigh in on these implications and their potential uses.

29:09 Is there a spec?

Phillip finds that there is an UPWARD spec written for PHP and finds that he understands the whole concept better. Thankfully he explains it to us.

31:54 Off-doc AGAIN

Phillip once again goes on a tangent not listed in the show documentation. This time he gives us his thoughts on AirTable.

He also enlightens us with another project management tool called Coda that he has discovered.

Phillip also gives a shoutout to the guy who introduced him to Coda named Brian Schmitt (@techmirth).

Which one do you think he prefers?

37:32 What are your workflows?

Kalen asks Phillip to go over some of the workflows that he has been creating in Coda.

There’s some pretty cool stuff in this segment.

40:16 The failure podcast?

Kalen saw a tweet with an idea for a podcast that he thought was interesting.

The boys go back and forth on the possibilites of this idea and debate if there is something to learn from outright failures.

43:45 Some Failure Therapy

Phillip asks Kalen what he has learned from some of the items on his failure resume.

Kalen speaks about am engineering course he took at CalTech and how it was the first grade he had ever received that wasn’t an A. Did he learn anything from this?

Phillip speaks about the shutdown of NoMad and how it wasn’t handled very well as well as some of the factors that led to the shutdown.

50:58 And Back to Magento Things

Kalen borrows from the Reply All Podcast and plays Yes/Yes/No with a tweet that he posted. (See Tweet Below.) Basically, the boys will go into the details of a tweet that not everyone might understand.

I want to see @Falkowski pull a Falkowski and become the Falkowski of PWA with 3 years in a row of must-see talks at Imagine.

Phillip has fulfilled a lifelong dream (well since 1992) by acquiring a pair of Back to the Future-esque self-lacing shoes called the Nike Hypderadapt.

We live in this crazy future where shoes tie themselves and everything is possible.

-Phillip Jackson

7:40 Hard Time Hiring

In an interesting segue, Phillip brings up that the biggest issue with Magento is not any technical issues, it is finding Magento talent.

What if I told you that the biggest challenge in the Magento ecosystem isn't code? It's not PWA, not M1 end of life. It's not M2 complexity. It's not UI Components or r.js or bundling or Redis session locking or Cloud deployment.

Kalen reacts about the situation and gives some valuable insight into this issue. A major point includes the difference between hiring onsite versus remotely and the talent that is missed when companies are set upon hiring onsite only.

Kalen is a big believer in remote work and always goes to bat for the remote worker.

What are your thoughts?

13:16 Don’t Lower Your Standards, Change Them

Is there a legitimate need to have people on site? The boys have different thoughts regarding this.

Phillip’s concern is that, contrary to what he’s been told, what if the Magento ecosystem has not been growing, but has been becoming more and more specialized making hiring talent (especially onsite) harder. The demand for Magento is growing, but the talent pool is remaining steady.

Kalen discusses that building on top of a language or framework that has a wide base doesn’t necessarily mean that the intersection between that base and those who have knowledge in eCommerce or Magento is going to be large enough.

There’s a significant difference in the level of complexity that’s abstracted away when you’re working in a headless situation.

-Kalen Jordan

Will React make this process different? What skills do developers have to learn in addition to general knowledge in Magento that will make them viable candidates?

Some intriguing stuff in this section

23:10 How Developers Think

Phillip recounts a story of a time when he worked with a developer that developed a PHP frontend that (in his mind) allowed him to plug into any e-commerce platform you could throw at it.

How do you think it turned out?

Kalen drops some poetic lines.

History doesn’t repeat itself, it just rhymes.

-Kalen Jordan

Told you.

Kalen also explores some of the issues regarding what developers are enabled to do and what they desire to interact with. Should a developer react with the API? Kalen then elaborates that Magento should be focusing mainly on the API layer.

Phillip also weighs in with some ground that Magento needs to cover regarding the dashboard and the future with Experience Manager.

30:22 Hypothetical API Question

What if you had to have Magento Enterprise Edition to have full API coverage?

The boys weigh in on the various factors that contribute to full API coverage and what it means to have that included at various tiers.

31:40 Do Frontends Matter?

That’s what she said.

Kalen asks if something is headless, why should it matter what frontend you’re building on?

Phillip jumps in explaining that this is the story that Vue Storefront is telling and their go-to-market is not just Magento focused. Vue is trying to position themselves as an agnostic front-end layer for any e-commerce platform (although they seem to be the most active in the Magento space.)

Does PWA make sense for sites that are more complicated and feature rich? What are some features that Magento is missing out of the box?

35:10 SaaS Searching

Kalen says that everyone should be using a SaaS search. He just implemented Algolia and he can’t believe how good it is, how easy it is to set up, and how fast it is.

Phillip agrees that search is a complex domain with a lot of difficult issues to cater to and that SaaS solutions get the desired outcome faster and cheaper.

If you pick a specific problem to solve, there is a vendor out there that will do it better than you ever will.

-Phillip Jackson

The boys are so quotable today!

40:07 Competing Blog Posts

Phillip and one of his resident PWA expert at Something Digital both took a whack at competing blog posts regarding PWA with contradicting viewpoints.

The boys discuss the inaugural Magento Board of Directors, Magento Masters, the Top 50 Contributors, and Phillip’s aching back.

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Show Notes

1:34 Tooth Pain vs. Back Pain

Phillip can’t stop talking about how badly his back is hurting him. Kalen asks him to tell him about some of the intimate things that happen to Phillip’s face.

3:01 Athletes Abound

The boys bring up some of the outstanding athletes within the Magento community. Some shoutouts include Tobias Zander (@airbone42) for his monstrous swimming skills and Guido Jansen (@guido) also for his swimming prowess.

3:58 The Magento Board of Directors

The first big topic of the show today is the announcement of the Magento Board of Directors.

Phillip recounts when task force member Brian Lange (@brianjlange) was on the show a few months ago and discussed the bylaws and processes it takes to create an inaugural board of directors. Listen to Episode 183 for a good place to start getting caught up.

There were 100+ applicants to the inaugural board and 8 community members that were appointed. Check out the announcement from Magento.

The boys go into each member of the inaugural board and give some background on each one.

Ben Marks (@benmarks) is also on the board as the representative from Magento. Brittany Mosquera (@brittanycarnes) is also on the board as a non voting member. And finally Joshua Berman from SmithBucklin will serve as the Executive Director of the board.

Congrats, all.

15:00 Task Force Diligence

Phillip brings up some of the hard work that the task force completed to form this inaugural board.

Kalen noticed a tweet regarding a company giving every developer two hours a week to watch Laracasts. He also asked the Magento community if there was anyone using a similar model to give their developers time with Mage2 TV.

Phillip talks about how Something Digital provides a 40 hour per year self-guided, offsite training for their employees in addition to ample opportunity per month for self-guided training.

49:10 How do you feel about this?

Phillip was talking to a potential senior dev hire and asked him what technologies he was interested in. The dev said that there weren’t any technologies he was interested in and that irked Phillip. How do you feel about that?

Kalen says that there is a difference between creative professions and non-creative professions in regards to furthered interest in the subject.

52:45 A BIG Announcement

Phillip is the MC of Imagine 2019!!

A HUGE CONGRATS.

Phillip wants to hear everyone’s ideas on how to make this year’s Imagine the biggest and baddest one yet. Tweet him @philwinkle and let him know your ideas!

A shoutout to Brian Lange (@brianjlange) for being an SD Card hero when Phillip forgot to bring one to record a live event.

4:52 The Meta Segment

Kalen has noticed that the first few minutes of every episode have become a “meta segment” in which the boys talk about the show, pat themselves on the back, and are just self-referential in general.

5:19 An Assistant or A Butler?

Phillip thinks he needs an assistant. Brian Lange says he needs a butler. Either way, he is very close to hiring an assistant.

Phillip proves his knowledge of Louie Vega lyrics.

Kalen says that Phillip reminds him of PWA.

7:40 Bananas about Bananas

Phillip informs Kalen that he has been taking pictures of bananas all week since their discussion on bananas in the previous episode.

The boys also struggle to avoid all the off-color jokes about Phillip sharing his banana pics with Kalen.

I guess you could say that makes Phillip a…

And no, I don’t apologize for that.

9:18 Let’s get into PWA

Kalen lets us know that he has been getting back into coding, which has sparked this episode PWA discussion. He’s been trying to wrap his head around the face there is no direction from anybody on the Magento core side regarding what third-party extensibility is going to look like within PWA.

He also points out some companies that have PWA support such as ShipperHQ.

I stand corrected – looks like there are definitely other extensions that are adding PWA support.

Mentions / Shoutout

The boys usher in their fifth year of MageTalk by talking about banana business ideas, the Magento Partner Kickoff, transparency, and how Phillip predicted the future.

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Show Notes

1:20 A Very Happy New Year

The boys start out the episode by wishing all of you a Happy New Year and letting us know that they are officially entering their fifth year of MageTalk.

Phillip reflects on the four Magento Partner Kick-Offs he has been to and how they have changed.

3:08 What is up with you?

Phillip asks Kalen what he’s been up to as they haven’t spoken for a few weeks and also asks the important question: “Can you get fat, eating only fruit?”.

Kalen lets us know that the banana industry is ripe for disruption.

Seems like things never change.

5:12 Kalen’s Been Blogging

Kalen has been blogging and lets us know that he has moved away from Medium and has been publishing on GitHub pages using Jekyll. Gettin’ fancy (even if he’s 18 months behind).

Kalen finds that Medium had too many pop-ups and paywalls. Phillip’s issue with Medium is that they are a content company, and yet you are the producer of the content and not them.

7:08 Is there money in the banana business?

Kalen talks about his subscription bananas idea because all he wants in life is optimally ripe bananas every single day.

Lots of a-peeling content here.

14:38 A Banana-A-Day

Phillip recalls a product packaging concept from South Korea that displays six bananas in various degrees of ripeness. Could this help in Kalen’s Banana Business?

Also. You’re welcome for finding the image.

And yes, there have been 20 minutes of banana content and you have all hit your potassium quota for the day.

19:55 The Good Ole PKO

Kalen brings us back on track by asking Phillip to speak more about the PKO. That’s Partner Kick Off for all of us who don’t speak Kalen.

Phillip enlightens us with some updates on Magento’s growth in 2018, Black Friday/Cyber Monday performance, changes that will be made to how they deliver cloud to smaller companies, and lots more cool stuff.

He also hints at some brands that Magento has added and he’s very excited about them.

The main theme of the kick off was “Experience-Driven Commerce” that integrates the Adobe Experience Manager into Magento.

He was also impressed that it was 45 minutes into the session before he heard anything about PWAs.

23:14 On the subject of PWA

Phillip gives us his opinion on PWA and how it makes him cringe a little bit. He also mentions that a lot of the companies that are excited about PWAs don’t have use cases for how they will benefit from them.

Phillip also notices how Magento’s growth chart had no X or Y access and yet they experienced a “whole inch-and-a-half of growth”. Whatever that means.

27:20 The Big Roll Up

Kalen asks if Magento’s numbers get rolled up into Adobe’s numbers when they are presenting growth.

What do you think the answer is?

Adobe has also been talking about Magento and Marketo on primetime television.

31:38 A Quick Bit of Love

Kalen gives some love to some recent tweets by Matt Asay (@mjasay) after Kalen had made some noise about the Adobe Experience Manager. Matt replied that he’d been responding to concerns individually over email.

I've been helping individuals with this over email. Is there someone in particular that wants to learn?

Phillip points out that Matt Asay has also been calling out people and companies that have not been transparent enough.

Kalen defends his use of the word enterprise-y and what he feels the ideal Enterprise company should be like.

Phillip details what his ideal Enterprise company would be and that Adobe can learn a lot from Magento.

“Getting people excited about something isn’t just about transparency, it’s also about ubiquity and use case.”

-Phillip Jackson

39:40 The Microsoft/GitHub Thing

Kalen brings up that people were tentative about Microsoft acquiring GitHub mainly because Microsoft didn’t have the best reputation in the world. However, Microsoft made recent changes for low-end GitHub customers by granting unlimited private repositories for free accounts.

Kalen thinks this is pretty cool.

Microsoft is making GitHub even more friendly to users on the low-end and strengthening their down market.

42:20 Magento Titles and Roles

Phillip remembers another topic that was discussed at the PKO and that was Mark Lavelle’s title is now Senior Vice President of Commerce at Adobe. Phillip also discusses some of the new hierarchy within Adobe.

Phillip also pulls up some interesting salary information for an Executive Vice President at Adobe.

Phillip also mentions Jason Woosley’s role was listed as Senior Vice President of Commerce at the PKO. But that was Mark Lavelle’s role…

Kalen also says that there is a possibility for Mark Lavelle to be a part of his banana business.

49:05 A Quick Commerce Hero Ad Spot

Kalen gives some updates on some recent hires for the Commerce Hero team.

Congrats All!

Kalen also reads a message he got from someone he recently put in a position and Kalen just wants to let the world know how great it felt to hear something like that.