I wanted to know what are the differences in the TSX 275's and the XPB 275's.

With the TSX's being for rifles and the XPB's generally being for pistols. Barnes said that basically they are the same, except the TSX expands, slightly sooner than the XPB and has one less crimp groove.

So now, we have a .452" bullet, especially designed for a rifle, something those .458 guys complaint about, that the .452" .."is only a pistol bullet", kind of stuff. Of course those .458" True Rifle Bullets, that wont reliably expand much at SOCOM velocities, doesn't bother them at all..

wildcatter wrote:So, There I was, up on the Klondike, when all of a sudden..

Ok, so maybe it's been a long time since I was on the Klondike.

So, I was just talking to Barnes about Reminton's Hog-Hammer's.

I wanted to know what are the differences in the TSX 275's and the XPB 275's.

With the TSX's being for rifles and the XPB's generally being for pistols. Barnes said that basically they are the same, except the TSX expands, slightly sooner than the XPB and has one less crimp groove.

So now, we have a .452" bullet, especially designed for a rifle, something those .458 guys complaint about, that the .452" .."is only a pistol bullet", kind of stuff. Of course those .458" True Rifle Bullets, that wont reliably expand much at SOCOM velocities, doesn't bother them at all..

longnkrnch wrote:I haven't seen any of the .452 TSX available for reloaders. Has anyone else? Anyone have loading data?

It might be some time before remy gets done with their run of TSX hog hammers, making components available for us.

In the mean time the 200gr & 275gr XPB's are, essentially the something. The 275gr EXP has one more crimp groove, than the 275gr TSX. The advantage being that we can drive them somewhat faster, with properly made -SAFE- HandLoads.

Now these, Pointed, Hollow-Points, look real good and might even have slightly more range available to the kill. But for my money the Barnes Busters are the real Hog-Hammers. But they are only available to the HandLoader and are not Factory Loaded yet.

The story for the Barnes Buster is that they are 325gr and sport .060" jackets (.008"-.010" for the more normal fodder), made with Hard-Lead, as opposed to soft lead innards, for the more normal fodder, and it's an FMJ-FP to boot (You may get the idea that these won't expand and you'd be right. These FMJ-FP disrupt more tissue than expanded bullets do and the .452" dia. is already bigger the the 30-375cals get after expansion and in NO-WAY penetrate more). And finally, were built to my personal requirements, which may be a reason why I like them so much, you be the Judge..

I'm starting to run into TinyPic images I uploaded that got deleted due to lack of folks accessing them from time to time. As I find them, if I have the original file backed up on a thumbdrive, I upload it to my ISP storage area and recreate a new link for them. C'mon folks, read the older threads. Save a lazy man a lot of work.

Hoot

In Theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In Practice, there is.

I emailed barnes about the 125 grn bullet in the 30 RAR Hog Hammer round to see if us reloaders would be able purchase them and they told me that it's not likely going to be for sale. So, We need to find out if the same applies to this bullet. It may be only available in loaded ammo from Remington.

greenhornet-1 wrote:I emailed barnes about the 125 grn bullet in the 30 RAR Hog Hammer round to see if us reloaders would be able purchase them and they told me that it's not likely going to be for sale. So, We need to find out if the same applies to this bullet. It may be only available in loaded ammo from Remington.

I don't personally know for sure, but I will ask next week.

In the mean time Barnes makes several Bullets in the weight area you are talking about.

Barnes makes a 123gr TSX for the 7.62x39, a 110 & 130 in their Tipped-TSX (TTSX) all are candidates and prolly would make excellent, custom-rolled, Hog-Hammers. Not having allot of experience with the 30RAR, I'd say you'd just have to try'em, to see which will seat and still fit the mag and which one preforms to your expectations..