good point you ,made to my post.. I am lucky because i already live in the country. it is very rural, and i am getting a street sweeper. I guess there is no time for learning great marksmanship now.. It just feels so lonely, noone will listen to me.. So i have stopped talking about it and just am quietly preparing... yes i guess the idea of leaving home is not really too smart.. thanks for reply.. take care

A street sweeper is a Destructive device controlled by the BATFE. You'll need a Tax Stamp and a background check before you can legally own it in the U.S. Good luck!

(Also they're extremely unweildy, heavy as hell, and not a great choice as far as shotguns go. In my opinion you'd be far better served with a Saiga 12, Remington 1100/1187, or go for the pimpinest shotgun ever, a Benelli M3. Just my opinion and advise, take it or leave it.)

Hey i appreciate the advice. I am a nurse not a weapons expert. lol. My nephew thinks a 9 gauge shotgun, he has a glock, and unlike me can shoot very accurately. So my big question, how the hell do we keep one foot in this reality and one in the not too distant future of hell.. just a question...

i have most of the "social" type shotguns you can get today and i would suggest either a Remington 870 pump or a siaga 12. the saiga is of course an akm in 12 gauge and can be reloaded quickly by way of conventional box mags, and the 870 is a very simple and reliable pump action of venerable design.

if you want something more versatile you might consider a decent rifle of military derivation. and ak or ar is a pretty good choice, but the ar is generally more accurate and is pretty reliable with minimal maintenance. with the obamunists in power the prices for everything are up right now. with a firearm in the modern world, hits count and everything else doesn't!

don't worry too much about volume of fire as making shots count. sooner or later you will have to account for all those projectiles!

Sorry it has been so long since I logged in. Regarding my initial suggestion on bullet proofing you home I did not mean that the panels should be placed 8 ft. high and 4 ft. wide. Lining your exterior walls thusly would certainly be too much weight unless your home is on a poured concrete slab. Most conventional wooden homes are built with floor joists (2 X 10 placed on 16 inch centers) and windows sills are usually about 33 inches from the floor. Under those conditions you ought to consider making your 2 X 4 bullet barriers about 33 inches high (up to the height of your windows) and 8 ft. long. These panels will weigh somewhat less than 1500 lbs. and unless you live in a trailer Detpat your home shouldn't be jeopardized.

If you come under attack of course it might be wise to move around inside your home below the height of your panels where you are protected. Then, making sure it is darker inside than it is outside (so you can.t be seen) locate the shooter and then take appropriate action.

Detpat, I like the Saiga and own one myself, it's just that without the piston cap mod it wasn't 100 percent reliable. Sometimes I'd get a short stroke, bolt over shell. Got the new plug and now I'd take it with me to the gates of hell, but right off the rack, I dunno.

The 870 has been kicking arses since the dawn of shotguns.

As always Pat and I are in total agreement that an AK or an AR is the most versatile, and best choice for a social rifle.

Knowahhh a 9 gauge shotgun must be extremely, shoulder destroying, powerful! There actually is no such thing at this time, though there might have been at some point in time. The lower the number goes, the more powerful a shotgun is. A Twelve Gauge is the standard shotgun, the sixteen and twenty gauges are smaller and smaller respectively (Mostly made for small people, kids, or close hunting) and then there's the 410 gauge shotgun which is very small and I could only really see it used for very small birds, squirrels, or rabbits. The most powerful shotgun I ever fired was a ten gauge, three and a half inch magnum double barrel, and we were shooting slugs. That damn thing HURT. It is an experience I do not want to revisit. A twelve gauge is more than enough power for any human.

I have a tarus pistol that works well and a 270 mossburg bolt action rifle and a sks rifle. I also have a 12 gauge shotgun. So I am equiped for the worst. But my favorite is the G3. It really kicks ass and yes it does use standard nato ammo. In my situation, we really have to do some work on the self protection line. We have rented a storage unit in a town nearby so we can hide some of our stuff.

I too am a fan of the G3, it's just that .308 is unbelievably expensive right now. I simply can't justify paying nearly $600 for a thousand rounds when the exact same stuff was $120/1000 less than a year ago.

If you assume society will not break down into a shooting situation in your neighborhood overnight. You can stock up on sandbags, poly bags, or whatever they call them in your area. Build a LARGE sandbox for your kids, or keep an area of your yard well tilled.

If, or when you need to bullet proof your home, sand, or dirt is a very good bullet stop.

Depending on how many people you have in your home, and what shape you are in, sandbags could be filled, and stacked inside or out, up to the bottom of windows to provide protection, in a relatively short time. You most likely would not have to do it all at once, if things are getting bad, start filling, and stacking.

Look into using CrimSafe security screens. We had them installed on all windows and doors last year, and they are exactly what we wanted. My concern was someone or group being able to rush the house, smash through a window or door and get in before we had time to react. That's not going to happen now. Any barrier can be breached given enough time, but there would be quite a stack of bodies outside before anyone managed to get through here.

A huge benefit to this system is that it is very aesthetically attractive. It looks like regular window and door screens, only a bit darker. You don't stand out as a high value target, and unless the bad guys do some careful planning and testing, they will be completely unprepared for what they find.

Another benefit - they meet the Miami-Dade hurricane specs, and they qualify us for a very nice discount on your homeowners insurance.

The down side? They are expensive - no way around that part. But look at it this way - it's our house. What will be worth more a few years from now - a secure home or Federal Reserve Notes?

Look into using CrimSafe security screens. We had them installed on all windows and doors last year, and they are exactly what we wanted. My concern was someone or group being able to rush the house, smash through a window or door and get in before we had time to react. That's not going to happen now. Any barrier can be breached given enough time, but there would be quite a stack of bodies outside before anyone managed to get through here.

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Are those stab/cut resistant?

Proof against someone japping a 2x4 through the screen? If someone jabs a board through the screen and then tears it part it's better than nothing, but not 100% secure.

Found a domestic link that worked. I'd be interested in checking that stuff out myself.

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