well I am a sober man with conservative scientific views and I take
this offer of an asbestos suit as a piece of impertinence and
an affront to my dignity
even it it was inadvertently offered to wolram
the smilie :surprised adds insult to injury and is not to be tolerated

well I am a sober man with conservative scientific views and I take
this offer of an asbestos suit as a piece of impertinence and
an affront to my dignity
even it it was inadvertently offered to wolram
the smilie :surprised adds insult to injury and is not to be tolerated

I'm sorry, Marcus. I don't know if I can behave well enough to survive while Wolram borrows my suit. :uhh: You may have to get one of your own... Hey! you're still alive! You've already got one, you devil.

Apparently, Barry has not yet heard about the 2df survey results.
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/astro-ph/pdf/0208/0208117.pdf [Broken].
Setterfield is an uncredentialed and notorious crackpot with a cult following in creationist cosmology. Arp is a credentialed maverick with a fringe following in alternative cosmology.

Well said Chronos; if anyone is interested, I believe the talkorigins website has a good discussion of Setterfield's nonsense about a variable speed of light (it's truly amazing what you can 'prove' through wilful distortion, misrepresentation, and general disregard for data).

I found it astonishing that Setterfield quoted a 'large dataset' ... of 399 redshifts :surprised IIRC, well before 2dF even got started there were several high quality red-shift surveys, with up to tens of thousands of datapoints. Now, post-2dF, we have the first, second (and next week third) data release from SDSS.

As so much of the data is in the public domain, anyone - wolfram, turbo-1, marcus, Chronos, Nereid, ... - is free to get it and analyse it to their hearts' content.

This mission, should you choose, ... do let us know what you found, please?