Recent posts by MyTie on Kongregate

So, basically, you all are of the view, that you can describe, in graphic detail, any action you have done, in a bragging fashion, and it has a place in this forum? Everything from jaywalking to eating the brain out of a living human baby? No wonder I didn’t stick around here. Bye everyone.

Misogyny is rife even among apparent feminists. I try not to white-knight it to that extent.

Misogyny is one thing. Rape is another. I’m not talking about white knighting in defense of someone. Karma bragged about this time he went into a hospital dressed as a doctor so he could… I’m not even going to finish the story… He did inappropriate things with pregnant women, and talked about it in detail. That’s not misogyny. That’s rape. If I remember right, it was that incident, and the community’s indifference to it that caused me to leave this forum. I think it was actually this very conversation, with vika. She was justifying it, as she is now.

Jan, the only religion I hold to is Christianity, therefore I don’t speak for others. I would suppose that there are religions that do not even remotely resemble what I believe, and do not require a child like approach. The one thing that seems to be in common with most of the major religions that I’ve studied, is that the more you think you know, the less you actually know. Humility seems to always be considered a virtue. That seems to be the only common thread between them all. So, that aspect of childishness is upheld by many. Though, childish action isn’t always considered virtuous. Since I speak for Christianity, I’ll juxtapose two scripture that present two opposing ideas.

1 Corinthians 13:11
When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways.

Matthew 18:1-4
1At that time the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?” 2And calling to him a child, he put him in the midst of them 3and said, “Truly, I say to you, unless you turn and become like children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4Whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

Ironic to our discussion, that passage out of 1 Cor is out of the chapter devoted to the concept of love. Love itself, the Bible teaches, is from God, not nature.

1 John 4:7
7Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God.

MyTie, there are high caliber grownups sharing useful ideas with good arguments here. Why do you keep bugging them with your nonsense?

I guess I’m just immature. I have childish beliefs, like the divine nature of love, and a higher purpose for human interaction than the transmission of my genes. When I try to illustrate the awesome and inspirational powers of true platonic love (whos very word comes from Plato, and his musings about the divine nature of love), and that is compared to stamp collecting, then I realize that I’m just not cut out for the really really mature crowd here. So very grown up.

Yep. This is just empty rhetoric. Ad hominem used to try to tear down those who you ideologically disagree with. We used to have a dialogue in this country, where we rationally discussed solutions to problems. Now all you get is this garbage. Crazy wing nut racist terrorists. Why? Because they don’t want to fund the ACA. From the sounds of these insults, you think they are aiming a missile at a elementary school to try to get slavery reinstated.

I’ve seen some men turn from the option to let go of hate. I’ve seen men living on the path of hate, at the fork to peace, with no other repercussions for taking peace, still chose hate. I’ve never understood it. Some people do live to hate.

I can’t argue with your point vika. I can’t argue with it not because it’s founded in reason, but because there is no way to refute your imagination. If you truly feel that not agreeing with on a budget is holding a nation hostage, and terrorism, than you simply aren’t grounded in reality and there’s nothing I can say that will assist you in understanding this.

We’re a social species and people like doing things that make them feel happy and fulfilled, it could be collecting stamps, reading books, or in these cases being kind to other people and trying to do things that they feel make a difference.

Running into a burning building, throwing yourself over a grenade, stamp collecting….

Dude. Your lack of understanding of government function astounds me. All budgets come from the House of Representatives, by law. They have the power to determine how government spends its money. Our government was designed that way as a way of checking and balancing power between the upper house, and the lower house which is closest to the people. The lower house, the House of Representatives, voted to fund the government in a way that the Senate didn’t approve of. The Senate then refused the spending bill, and all others that followed, until the government shut down. Obama also fought the House, even though the President has no veto power over the budget. He gets to submit a budget request, but he doesn’t even get to sign the budget. It’s strictly legislative, specific to the House, not the Senate. The house gave a funding plan. They were well within their rights and doing their job. Their discretion not to fund specific pieces of legislation is the way that government is designed. That check was removed, by sheer force, by the rest of government, particularly the Senate, and Obama using his bully pulpit. If you want to know who refused to work with who, look squarely at the Democrats. I’m not saying I agree with the Republican’s budget, but it’s high time that people stopped blaming them for the government shutdown. They passed a budged. Get your facts straight.

What I meant was “What facts of nature makes you, MyTie, think that it is extremely likely that we have been designed by a superior mind?”.

When I see love, it doesn’t fit into evolutionary thinking.

Yes, it does. Extremely so, actually.
It is evolutionarily advantageous for two individuals who are genetically related to behave selflessly with each other, since it increases the likelihood of the genes “surviving” – that is, to stay in the gene pool. This is the origin of the many forms of altruism and companionship, including love.
You think love is beautiful precisely because it is evolutionarily advantageous to do so. Beauty is a human construct – we evolved to have feelings of altruism towards other humans and babies because it helped preserve our genes in the gene pool. The genes of those who didn’t faded out. Beauty is not a property of objects.

God is beyond our understanding.

Wow, that was the biggest cop-out I have ever seen. It barely makes any actual sense.
As a reply to this extremely non-sense “argument”, I can make a few claims:

Love is beyond our understanding. Thus, you can’t say it requires a creator.

A perfect, omnipotent being looks like art. This indicates a creator.

Sorry I’m getting to this late. I don’t post much on Sundays because I have Church.

To answer you, our understanding of love is different. I’m speaking about love in the sense of selfless love that one has for all of humanity, not just love within a genetic construct. What causes one person to volunteer his life to save his comrades in arms? Why does a stranger charge into a raging fire to save someone he has never met? Why does a person serve his community his whole life, even though the actual people may hate him? All of this is love, none of it is “natural”, and none of it is explained by genetics. Our miscommunication here is that you don’t understand love. No wonder you don’t understand God. God is love. If you knew that, you wouldn’t find my answers to be cop outs, but instead simply the best I can do. Why does a person rush into a fire to save another person? It’s beyond comprehension. It’s love. It resembles God. We stand at two different points, with two different perspectives, trying to discuss the same issue, using words that both of us have different definitions for.

This has been repeated ad nausium. Whenever someone has no good argument against something, they always resort to insults. I’ve heard this particular one, from whomever made the talking points. Whoever doesn’t want the ACA is “loony fringe”? Whoever is willing to fight it is “loony fringe”? I’ve heard crazy radicals, racists, right wing nuts, etc etc etc. It’s bothersome to me most because the people aren’t doing anything crazy, or even anything the public doesn’t actually agree with. It’s just become vogue to speak about them like they are tin foil wearing loons. So what if you don’t agree with their desire to undo a piece of legislation. So what? Why does that make them mentally insane?

I find it a very very difficult thing to believe that we were incidental, and not created.

May I ask you why you think we need a creator? Because we are so complex?

I don’t think I “need” a creator. That’s not it at all. I think I have a creator. Further, I’m not compelled by complexity. I’m compelled by love. When I see love, it doesn’t fit into evolutionary thinking. It looks more like art. I’m just suggesting that would indicate an artist.

Originally posted by HolyLasagna:Wouldn’t that require God, who is goddamn perfect, to be designed as well? Who designed the designer?

You misunderstand omnipotence. I think that “time” doesn’t work like we think it works. Try to define time. Try to explain what exactly time is. It’s impossible. God is beyond our understanding. Trying to force him into a definition and parameters which we ourselves don’t understand seems futile to me.

I do not care about the government shutdown. It happened. It didn’t affect me. I’m disappointed when they finally did fund the government, it came with billions of additional spending. There’s no stopping the spending train.

Or if I am walking through a building I have never been in and notice a door I chose to go to it but I didn’t even know the door existed until I saw it so I could chose to open the door. No instant reflex involved.

I already asked about marriage. Apparantly, you have no choice and no part of the decision if you get married. Basically, vika has absolutely no idea what free will is, or the decision making process of humans and computers. The woman beleives that the google car has free will, but you do not. It’s just silliness. Ignore it.

I’ve always treated this question a bit incredulously. The questions of creation, life, death, etc… there is so little evidence for after, it’s impossible to draw definitive proof either way. I find it a very very difficult thing to believe that we were incidental, and not created. I find that difficult enough to believe to compel me to believe the opposite. Obviously you believe differently.

Or you form no opinion one way or the other, which is what a lot of people do.

My view is, even if there is an afterlife, it won’t be our entire minds, and there’s nothing to suggest we’ll be on the top of the foodchain anyway. All we have to go on is propoganda. So, I would rather create an afterlife here, and extend my functional life till I’ve done all I wish to do, and embrace whatever might be waiting then. When I’m ready for oblivion, I’m ready to take my chances either way.

You believe you have no choice as to what to believe, vika. Remember? We have no free will. Unlike robots, who make decisions all the time. /boggle

I will say, if I was a Native, I would much rather have the media worry about high levels of alcohol addiction, low education levels, massive poverty, and just the general shitty nature of many reservations than the team name of a professional sports franchise.

You just touched on a GREAT point. Many people choose to portray their people as victims, instead of addressing the real problems in their culture.

But why believe without evidence? Faith isn’t the virtue touted by most folks.

You either believe that there is no life, or you believe that there is no life, after death. It takes an amount of belief either way. I have faith that there is. It seems more likely than accidental existence. I see indications for a creator in my environment, so I believe there is.

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