CARTER A. HARRISON, a witness
called and sworn on behalf of the
defendants was examined in chief by Mr. Black and testified as follows:

Q Will you state your full name, please?

A Carter H. Harrison.

Q Where do you reside?

A Ashland Avenue, Chicago.

Q You are Mayor of the City of Chicago?

A I am.

Q And have been for how long a time?

A Over seven years---seven years last May.

Q You occupied that position then on May 4th?

A I did.

Q Are you personally acquainted with any of the defendants in
this case?

A Two of them, Mr. Spies and Mr. Parsons; slightly, however,
with Mr. Spies.

Q How long have you known them respectively?

A Mr. Spies merely by introduction, and I have a vague
recollection
that I talked with him a little while, Mr. Parsons some time last year
or the year before last in a conversation at my office.

Q Were you in the City of Chicago on the 4th of May, the night
of the 4th of May, 1886?

A I was.

Q Did you attend the haymarket meeting so called, the meeting
on
Desplaines street, at which the tragedy of May 4th, the evening of May
4th, occurred?

A A part of it, not the whole.

Q Will you state please how you came to go to that meeting or
what
led you to go to that meeting---I am not asking your motives, but
whatever may have transpired or occurred that led you to go to that
meeting, and at what hour you reached the ground?

MR. GRINNELL: He at first asks the motive and hedges on it to
the last.

THE COURT: The question is rather ambigous and voluminous.

MR. BLACK: Do you understand the question?

A I understand the question.

MR. GRINNELL: Let him answer then.

THE WITNESS: On the day before there was a riot at McCormick's
factory. There was some large number of windows destroyed and some
shooting. That riot was said to me to have grown out of a speech made
in the prairie by Mr. Spies. During the morning of the 4th, probably
about noon, information came to me of the issuance of a circular of a
very peculiar character, and a call for a meeting at haymarket that
night. I called to the chief of police, and directed him that if
anything should be said at that meeting that was likely to call out a
recurrence of such proceedings as were at McCormick's factory, that the
meeting should be dispersed. I believed that it was better for myself
to be there
and to disperse it myself, instead of leaving it to any policeman. I
thought that my order would be better obeyed. I went there then for the
purpose if I felt it necessary, for the safety of the city, to disperse
that meeting.

Q What hour did you reach the scene?

A About five minutes before eight.

Q At what time with reference to your arrival upon the ground
did the meeting in fact gather?

A There was a large concourse of people about the haymarket,
in the
street and on the sidewalk, walking up and down. It was so long before
any speaking commenced that probably that two thirds of the people
there assembled left apparently, at least to me. Of course I could not
tell how many, because the same man might walk back and forth, but that
is the way it struck me. It was somewhere at least about half past
eight I should judge when the meeting as such, where the speaking took
place, congregated around Crane's building or the alley near it.

Q Were you there at the time the meeting was called to order?

A I was there, but not directly in the meeting. I was on the
haymarket, about the corner of Randolph and Desplaines, the south-west
corner.

Q Did you hear the meeting called to order?

A I didn't hear the immediate call. I went over to it, then
Mr. Spies was speaking when I got into it so I was close enough to
hear. He probably had been speaking a minute, maybe two, before I got
near enough to hear distinctly what he said.

Q How long did you remain at the meeting or upon the ground?

A I don't remember looking at my watch, but judging from the
time
when the bomb sounded and the time it took me to walk away, I the next
day reached the conclusion that I left it between 10 and 10.05 o'clock.

Q What speakers did you hear addressing the crowd?

A I heard all except probably a minute or a minute and a half
of Mr.
Spies, and all of Mr. Parsons up to the time I left, with the exception
of a break when I left him talking and went over to the station,
probably being absent five minutes; maybe five to ten minutes.

Q At what portion either with reference to substance or with
reference to time of Mr. Parson's remarks was it that you went to the
station, and that this break occurred?

A That I couldn't tell positively.

Q Do you remember whether it was nearer the beginning of his
address or near the close?

A It was nearer--- to make you understand---I heard all of Mr.
Parson's speech, the beginning of it, until I should judge he was
looking towards a close. I went over to the station, spoke to Capt.
Bonfield and determined to go home, but instead of going immediately, I
went back to hear a little more and then left. Probably I was there
then five minutes.

Q While you were there upon this return, did Mr. Parsons close
his remarks?

A No sir.

Q He was still speaking?

A I left him speaking, but being a public speaker and having
listened to a great many, I thought he was reaching the conclusion.

Q Within how long a time after you left the ground did you
hear the explosion that you have referred to?

A That I have to measure by the time it took me to walk. I
live
about a mile and a quarter from the haymarket. I walked very rapidly,
reached my home, undressed and was about ready to go to bed when I
heard the bomb---I judge about twenty minutes from the time that I
left. That is the way I say about 10.05 that I left, because of
measuring it. I did not look at my watch, but I did look at my watch or
my clock just after hearing the bomb, because I went down and commenced
telephoning at once to the central station.

Q What part of the ground were you on while you were attending
this meeting, Mr. Harrison?

A I was about the center of Desplaines street, probably a
little
nearer the west of the center than the east---that is, a little more
than half of Desplaines street was between me and its Eastern curb. I
was not at one fixed point. I moved back and forth, sometimes a little
to to the north of the speakers, but most of the time to the south of
them.

Q
Did you notice the location of the alley that runs parallel with
Randolph street, and immediately south of the Crane Bros'.
establishment that night?

A I noticed it, when I first went up I remember thinking that
they
had erected a stand just north of the alley, but hadn't noticed it when
I first went down. I didn't know that they were on a wagon.

Q In other words, when you first went down there, you didn't
observe
any stand but when you found them speaking you supposed they had
erected one?

A I saw afterwards they were on a wagon.

Q You did see afterwards while the meeting was in progress
that it was a truck wagon?

A Yes sir, something of the sort.

Q Was your presence at the meeting or in the meeting observed,
if you know?

A I thought that Mr. Spies observed me from the fact that the
tone
of his speech very suddenly changed when I had struck a match to light
my cigar, the full flame of the match shining in my face, and when it
died out I saw the people around me as far as from here to the court
were looking towards me, and I saw that I was observed, and remarked to
my son that was by me that I thought Mr. Spies had seen me. That is a
mere conjecture.

Q You know your presence was observed by numbers of the people
in the audience?

A I should judge I could see the eyes of probably twenty-five
to fifty men looking towards me.

Q Did you have any conversation that evening with any citizens
who knew you or recognized you?

A One man came to me and remarked "You are known here". Says
I, "I am very glad of it."

Q Can you recall substantially the tenor of the remarks or the
substance of the remarks made by Mr. Spies in your hearing?

A A part of that speech, for probably a minute was such that I
feared that it was leading up to such that it would force me to
disperse the meeting.

Q You were there for that purpose?

A I was there for that purpose. When I say for that purpose,
it was
my own determination to do it against the will of the police.

Q I understand. I mean you had adopted the resolution to do it
personally if it became necessary in your judgment?

A Yes sir; Mr. Spies, a part of his speech was of the
character that
I thought was leading up to it, and it was just after I lit my match, I
say---my cigar goes out a great deal, and I use more matches than I do
cigars a good deal---I struck it, and the first one went out. I put two
together, and the flame was wide and it made quite a blaze in my face.
Almost immediately afterwards I noticed this change in the tone of his
speech, and as I say, I turned to my son and said, "Spies has seen me."

Q About what time of Spies' speech was it that this change in
the tenor of the remarks occurred, as you judge?

A Do you mean as to time or as to what he was saying?

Q As to time?

A It was in the first half of his speech at least.

Q In other words, before the middle of it?

A Before the middle of his speech.

Q After this occurrence what was the general tenor of his
speech?

A Such that I remarked to Capt. Bonfield that it was tame.
Prior to that it was not.

Q When was this interview you had with Capt. Bonfield of which
you have spoken when you remarked that Spies' speech was tame?

A That was when I left the speaking. I went over to Mr.
Bonfield to the station.

MR. GRINNELL: I don't think it is proper to state what
occurred over there between him and Mr. Bonfield.

MR. BLACK: I asked when it was?

A That was the time I left.

Q While Parsons was speaking?

A While Parsons was speaking, thinking that I might go home,
and
then had the interview with Mr. Bonfield, but afterwards as I say,
concluded that I would return and listen to something more to satisfy
myself I could go home.

Q Up to the time you went to the station, and had this
interview with Mr. Bonfield, what was the tenor of Mr. Parsons's
address?

MR. GRINNELL: What did he say as near as you can remember?

THE WITNESS: Oh well, it was what I would call----

MR. GRINNELL: State his words as near as you can, because what
the tenor of it was is for the jury to determine.

A The part that was somewhat directed to the crowd, and that
attracted the most attention was the statistics as to the amounts of
returns given to labor from capital, and showing, if I remember rightly
now, that capital got eighty-five per cent and labor fifteen per cent.
It was what I would call a violent political harrangue against capital
but nothing while I was there that would----

MR. GRINNELL: (Interrupting) State what he said. Don't draw
inferences.

A I couldn't repeat what he said---that is, in words. I can
repeat the substance.

MR. BLACK: Q Did anything transpire in the address of either
Mr.
Spies or Mr. Parsons after the incident of the lighting of your cigar
to which you have referred in the course of Spies' remarks, that led
you to conclude to take any action with reference to the dispersing of
the meeting?

Objected to; objection sustained; exception by defendants.

Q Was any action taken by you at any time looking to the
dispersion of that meeting?

Objected to.

THE COURT: How is that material?

MR. BLACK: As part of the res gestae. He was there as the
representative of the police. He was there as the chief officer of the
city---the mayor.

THE COURT: He may tell what he did.

MR. BLACK: Q Was any action taken by you at any time while you
were at that meeting?

THE COURT: At the meeting---whether the mayor said or did
anything at the meeting about dispersing it--that is competent.

MR. GRINNELL: The question calls for yes or no. It should be
answered that way if possible.

THE WITNESS: No.

MR. BLACK: Q Did you observe any violence or misconduct in the
meeting on the part either of the speakers or the audience. I refer now
to acts, and if so, what?

MR. GRINNELL: Let him state what was said and done. I object.

THE COURT: It calls for the witness to form a conclusion in
his own mind as to what constitutes violence or misconduct.

The defendants' counsel then and there excepted to the ruling
of the court.

MR.
BLACK: Q Will you state what occurred during the meeting, either upon
the part of the speakers or upon the part of the audience of a violent
nature?

Objected to.

THE COURT: If you want him to repeat what he heard said, that
is competent.

MR. BLACK: I am not asking what he heard said. I am asking as
to what he saw done.

MR. GRINNELL: Then leave out the words "violent nature" and
let him state what was said and done.

The court sustained the objection; to which ruling of the
court defendants' counsel then and there excepted.

MR. BLACK: Q Will you state what if anything occurred there at
the
meeting that attracted your attention with reference to the behavior
either of the speaker or of the audience?

Objected to.

THE COURT: I think that calls for a description of whatever
attracted his attention. Of course a man can describe that.

THE WITNESS: I should be compelled to answer what was said,
because that was what I was watching.

THE COURT: That calls for conduct and words.

THE
WITNESS: The words of Mr. Spies were, as near as I can remember, that
attracted my particular attention, were these: "Why this gathering
together of the policemen, or blue-coats?" (I have forgotten which, I
think "policemen.") Why this array of patrol wagons? Why the militia
armed and collected at the armories, and the Gatling gun in readiness?
Why were our brethren shot down at McCormick's hall or McCormick's
factory yesterday afternoon?" Then he went on to show---the words I
don't remember, that it was for the oppression of the laborer. That was
what attracted my attention by reason of a rumor I had heard that
night. That I did not give, because you have not asked for it.

MR. GRINNELL: I wish you would state that rumor, because Capt.
Black did in fact ask you what caused you to go over there.

THE COURT: Wait for the cross examination for that.

THE WITNESS: When each of these questions were put, some one
in the
audience would holler out "Shoot them," "Hang them." When it reached
McCormick's name they said "Hang him" "damn him," or something of that
sort. Frequently during both of the speeches some one in the crowd
would cry out "hang him" or "shoot him" --something of that sort. But I
concluded that these expressions did not eminate--

MR. GRINNELL: Your conclusions we ought not to take.

THE WITNESS: I am trying to measure the numbers. These replies
that were made from the crowd, I don't think from the manner where they
occurred, here and there and around, that there were more than two or
three hundred absolute sympathizers with the speakers. Once or twice,
or two or three times, cries out of "hang him" would come from a boy,
somewhere in the out skirts, and the crowd would laugh. I felt that the
majority of that crowd were idle spectators and the replies nearly as
much as what might be called "guying" to use a slang expression, as
much so as absolute applause. Some of the replies were evidently
bitter, I should say, judging from where they came from. They came from
immediately around the stand.

MR. GRINNELL: Q That is these bitter cries?

A Yes sir. And did not come from more than two or three
hundred men, not over that I judge.

MR. BLACK: Q With reference to the total number in the
audience was
this proportion of men that were apparently as you say, and answering
bitterly, large or small?

A The audience numbered somewhere from eight hundred to a
thousand,
I should judge, walking round them. I didn't get immediately around the
speakers. They were packed. I didn't get into that crowd.

Q That packed and dense mass immediately around the speaker,
did not extend more than to the center of the street?

A Not to the center. It was more up and down the street, and
apparently behind. When I speak of the center of
the street, I speak with reference to the curb, the road way. I
measured them from two to four hundred that these various replies that
showed a sympathy would spring from. Outside of that there were
probably six hundred, from four to six hundred that looked to me from
the replies and the laughter more as idle spectators, judging from the
remarks made immediately around more than anything else.

Q You have had more or less experience with reference to
street crowds in estimating their numbers etc?

A I have; but here I couldn't measure them well, because I was
nowhere high enough to look down upon them. I could only measure by
being on the same plane with them, and measure the distance that they
covered.

Q Apart from the portion of the audience that stood
immediately
about the speakers, referring now to this larger portion as I
understand you which was out on the outskirts, what was the character
of the audience now of this larger outside portion, judging from their
appearance?

A You mean the character of the men, their occupations?

Q Yes, their appearance, and what you judge in reference to
them from that appearance?

MR. GRINNELL: Do you mean as to whether they were merchants or
laboring men?

MR. BLACK: Yes, who they were?

MR. GRINNELL: I object to that. He may give a general
description of those individuals but he need not try to place them in
any employment---that is mere conjecture.

THE COURT: I think that is admissible. It is impossible to
describe
each individual; but what class of people they were composed of, what
nationalities and what their occupations were, I think that is
admissible.

THE WITNESS: Up to the time that the speaking began when I
walked
among the people on the haymarket, during nearly half an hour---not all
that time walking, for I went back and forth to the station---they were
apparently laborers, generally or mechanics, and the majority of them
Germans or non-English speaking people. The Poles and Bohemians I could
not recognize one from the other. The Germans I could hear them talking
and could understand what they said, but indistinctly. I thought the
majority of them were Germans, Poles and Bohemians; mostly Germans that
I heard talking.

MR. BLACK: Q What was your observations to the character of
the audience after the speaking began?

A It was too dark, and the faces being toward the speaker, and
therefore their backs to me, I could not judge of that, and did not
attempt to analyze it.

Q In what language was the speaking that night?

A English.

Q All of it that you heard?

A All.

Q You have spoken of cries coming from the audience or some
portion
of the audience in response to the speakers--- allusions of "Hang him",
or some such similar expression.

Do you remember any response to any such cries made by either
of the speakers whom you listened to?

A I can't recall any words. I remember that some of the
expressions
in the audience were replied to by the speakers, but I couldn't
remember them: I could not recall them now, They were the general
replies and very rarely, only a few of them.

Q Let me ask you specially---do you remember while Parsons was
speaking as to whether there was any use by him of the name Gould which
elicited any response from the audience of the nature you have
suggested?

A I think it was with regard to Gould that a boy hollered out
"Hang him" and another "Hang him, damn him".

Q Do you recall whether or not that elicited any response or
observation from Mr. Parsons, and if so, what?

A That is very vague and having read something that was said,
I
might possibly have made up, been refreshed by others, but it seems to
me that either Parsons or Spies to some such expression used the
expression "Not yet" or something of that sort.

Q Was there any proposal or suggestion on the part of either
of the
speakers during your audience there that in terms called for immediate
violence of any character, of force toward any persons?

Objected to.

THE COURT: Whatever Mr. Harrison can remember was said, let
him repeat, but you are calling now for a general conclusion.

MR. GRINNELL: Mr. Harrison has given what he says he can
remember.

MR. BLACK: I am now suggesting as I understand the rule is, to
the
witness the special subject matter on which I want his recollection.

THE COURT: It calls for a general conclusion.

MR. BLACK: I will change the form of the question then to meet
the suggestion of the court.

Q State whether or not you recall any suggestion made by
either of
the speakers looking toward caling for the immediate use of force or
violence towards any person? If so, what was the remark?

A You mean by immediate, that night?

Q Yes sir.

A There was not. If there had been I should have dispersed
them at once.

Q How long were you at the meeting after your return from the
station, and before you started home?

A Probably five minutes.

Q Parsons then was still speaking, but approaching the close?

A Evidently approaching a close. It looked a little like rain.
It
was becoming cloudy and looked like and it was threatening rain, and I
thought the thing was about over.

Q As to the size of the audience, how did it compare at that
time with its size earlier in the evening?

A There was not a fourth there listening to the speaking of
the crowd that had been there during the evening.

Q In other words it had fallen off a great deal?

A Yes sir. In the crowd when they were walking around I heard
a
great many Germans use expressions that showed that they were
dissatisfied with bringing them there and having this peaking. There
was evidently a belief on the part of the bulk of the people that there
was going to be no speaking. I had reached that conclusion myself and
thought the thing was over; and when the speaking did commence I
thought it was a spontaneous one, because some persons cried out "Mayor
Harrison is going to speak," and I thought it was rather a spontaneous
one.

Q What do you judge as to the number in attendance around the
wagon at the time you left finally for the evening?

A It was still less. Mark you, it is very difficult to measure
a
crowd in the dark that way unless one is on top. Coming directly out of
the light to where the lamp post was, and out of the station, going up
to it, it would look very large. It would take a minute or two to
accustom the eye to it to measure them. There was even then quite a
large number there. I don't suppose there was over five hundred that
were there when I left last, but of course I didn't measure them
accurately.

Q How long was the interview you had with Inspector Bonfield,
you
have called him Capt. Bonfield-- -I suppose that is the same person?

A That is the expression we use, Captain.

Q How long was that interview?

A Probably five minutes.

Q Please state what it was?

Objected to.

MR. BLACK: It is admissible upon our theory of the defense. We
propose to show by this witness that in the course of that interview,
he had a talk with Capt. Bonfield, submitted to him his views as to the
nature of the audience, and communicated to him the fact that he did
not think there would be any trouble; that the meeting was a quiet and
orderly meeting as such meetings went; and that he was about to go home
and also directed that the police patrolmen which had been held under
his direction at the other stations should be directed to go home; and
having given these directions to Capt. Bonfield, he himself went home.

MR. GRINNELL: Was Capt. Bonfield asked any questions of that
character?

Q Of what character?

THE COURT: They don't offer it as any impeaching testimony but
offer
it as independent original testimony. I don't think it is admissible.

MR.
BLACK: We propose to follow that up by other testimony which will show
that the attack made by the police that night upon the meeting was a
deliberate attack planned and carried out after Mr. Harrison's
departure.

THE COURT: Save the point on it. If there is anything in the
nature
of self defense, it depends upon what occurred at the time and place,
and not previous conversation.

MR. BLACK: That is not the theory upon which we present it, as
bearing upon the question of self defense. We present it as part of the
res gestae, showing that the entire trouble of that night arose out of
a deliberate action on the part of the policemen, in disregard of the
suggestions made by Mr. Harrison.

THE COURT: That is not admissible. What anybody thought about
the matter beforehand is not part of the case.

MR. GRINNELL: I will withdraw the objection and let him answer
the
question. If the question can be confined to what if any orders Mr.
Harrison gave Bonfield.

MR. BLACK: My question calls for what conversation occurred
between Capt. Bonfield and yourself upon that occasion?

MR. GRINNELL: The conversation may be irrelevant to this issue
but
if any orders were given by Harrison to Bonfield that night with
refernece to that meeting, let it come in.

MR. FOSTER: That leaves for the witness to judge what is an
order. The jury are to determine that.

MR. GRINNELL: What you want is in regard to this matter that
night?

MR. BLACK: That is what I want.

THE WITNESS: I went back to the station and stated to Bonfield
that
I thought the speeches were about to be over; that nothing had occurred
yet, or looked likely to occur to require interference, and I thought
he had better issue orders to his reserves at that other stations to go
home. He replied to me that he had learned the same and reached that
conclusion from persons coming and going---he had men out all the
time---and had already issued the order; that he thought it would be
best to retain the men that were in the station until the meeting broke
up, and then referred to a rumor that he had heard that night that
would make it necessary for him, he thought, to keep his men there,
which I concurred in. Do you want that rumor?

MR. ZEISLER: That was not in reference to the haymarket?

THE WITNESS: The rumor had reached us---

MR. GRINNELL: Yes, it is a part of that conversation and it
should all go in.

MR. BLACK: The question is whether we want it in. Probably we
had better leave it to you as you seem to know all about it.

MR. GRINNELL: I know all about it.

THE WITNESS: It referred to what would occur as the following
up of the haymarket meeting.

MR. BLACK: Q In other words, what might occur?

A No, the rumor which reached us was that something would
occur.

MR. BLACK: I think I will leave the state to call that out, if
they desire, as I don't know anything about it.

MR. GRINNELL: That was in that conversation.

THE COURT: It can come in on cross examination.

MR. BLACK: Q When you were there attending the meeting, did
you at
any time see any weapons in the hands of any of the audience pointed
upwards or brandished?

A I saw no weapons at all upon any person.

Cross Examination by MR. GRINNELL:

Q The haymarket riot was on the night of the 4th of May. On
that
day, or at noon, or about that time you had heard a rumor about a
projected attempt to burn the freight house of the Milwaukee & St.
Paul Ry. Company, had you not, which caused you to go over there and
watch that meeting; that night?

Objected to; objection sustained.

Q You may state what conversation you and Capt. Bonfield had
with
reference to rumors which caused you to go over there that night?

MR. BLACK: Any part of the same conversation, but not other
conversation.

MR. GRINNELL: I want the rumor first which caused Harrison to
go over there.

MR. BLACK: If you ask for conversation with Bonfield before
Harrison went there I object.

THE WITNESS: I would answer that Bonfield and I made
arrangements to go over there---is that objected to?

MR. BLACK: The reason of those arrangements the court sustains
an objection to.

MR. GRINNELL: Capt. Black asked what caused Harrison to go
over to the haymarket square that night?

MR. BLACK: In the course of this conversation he said he heard
a
rumor which in fluenced him. I did not ask for the rumor. It would be
proper for the State to ask simply what was that rumor.

MR. GRINNELL: Q What was that rumor?

A The rumor that I adverted to but did not give, was
immediately
after my reaching the station. Capt. Bonfield told me that he had just
received information that this meeting would, or a part of it adjourn
or go over to the Milwaukee & St. Paul freight houses that were
then filled up with what they call scabs, and blow it up; and then
there was also an intimation that this meeting might be merely a ruse
to attract the attention of the police to the haymarket while the real
attack if any should be made that night would be on McCormick's. Now,
it was with regard to those two possible, if not probable contingencies
that I was listening to those speeches.

Q
In listening to those speeches did you ascertain from them that there
was no organization and no invitation to the Milwaukee & St. Pal
depot?

A Yes sir.

Q And therefore you concluded that it was not an organization
to destroy property that night, and therefore went home?

A That was the fact.

Q Just before you went home you left it with Capt. Bonfield to
watch
the speeches and if they became inflammatory or incendiary to disperse
the meeting?

Objected to.

THE COURT: Let him repeat what conversation he had with
Inspector Bonfield in reference to that.

THE WITNESS: The order was that the reserves held at the other
stations might be sent home, because I learned that all was quiet down
in the second district in which McCormick's was; and that I thought
there was no design for anything that night. Bonfield replied that he
had reached the same conclusion from reports brought in to him, and he
had already ordered the reserves elsewhere sent home, or, at least,
given them a rest, let them go in their regular order, but that if
something might occur yet before this meeting was over or after it,
that he would hold the men that were in the station until everything
was over. I acquiesced in his suggestion. I didn't give an order.
I merely consented to his view.

Q His official position allowed him to execute his own orders?

A Of course he was there in control. Bonfield was there,
detailed by
the chief, in control of that meeting together with Capt. Ward.

Q Did you hear any response by the crowd to any of the
speakers, and
was anything said by the speakers to whom you listened, either Spies or
Parsons, anything suggested by them as to threats. For instance, you
have given something in regard to that matter, that they said "Don't
make any idle threats. If you have anything to do go and do it." Did
you hear words of that character?

A I don't remember any such expression, because, mark you, I
was
thinking only of what might occur that night. I was determined that
there should be no re-occurrence of the violence at McCormick's hall;
that if there was an overt act, it would be caught in its incipiency
and not wait until it took absolute form.

Q You heard none of Fielden's speech?

A None at all, nor the last of Parsons.

Q Did you hear Parsons call "To arms, to arms, to arms" while
you were there?

A I don't remember it. I don't think I did, for if I had I
think I
should have noticed it. Mark you, I lit my cigar four or five times,
and I thought I was known.

Q Did you do that for the purpose of showing yourself to the
speaker, if possible, or attracting his attention?

Objected to; objection sustained.

THE COURT: Q These reserves you speak of were at other police
stations than Desplaines street?

A We had the reserves at every station in the City. The
reserves
however, for the second district were to be directly under Capt.
O'Donnell, so as to proceed if anything occurred in the second district
at McCormick's factory.

Q The reserves to whom you were to give the rest and permit
them to go home, were at other stations than Desplaines street?

A Other station, than Desplaines---about fifty men at each
station.

MR. BLACK: Q Do you know how many men were at the Desplaines
street
station that evening, or about how many at the time of this interview
with Capt. Bonfield?

A I don't remember. I don't know the numbers. I suppose from
125 to 175, men, but I am not certain.

Q Did you get this rumor of the possibility of an attack upon
McCormick's and also upon the Milwaukee freight house from any other
source than from Capt. Bonfield?

A The fact is, when I speak of a rumor, it was not a rumor
from
others. It was rather a fear on my own part and was suggested first by
myself that this might be the aim of this meeting.

Q It was not something then as I understand you that you had
heard coming from other sources?

A Not other sources.

Q But an apprehension of yours?

A An apprehension rather than a rumor. There was a direct
statement from Mr. Bonfield to me that he had heard----

Q (Interrupting) About the McCormick matter?

A No sir, about the freight houses.

Q So far as McCormick was concerned there was no rumor, except
an
apprehension on your part, and as to the freight house it was a rumor
which you had from Bonfield alone?