dennyhan wrote:I don't agree with babasaheb either. I think in Chesscube people with VIP are served as kings, while us "underdogs" are restricted a lot. For one, i disagree with the new "discount" rule. People with VIP will only lose a bit of cubits while the normals will sprial down to 0. It is unfair for the non-VIPs. Also, VIPs not only get 25XP more, but do they get double that! They can reach the XP VIP extensions faster, and thus extending their thone time. The underdogs has to spend a lot of time at Chesscube to reach 100Lv. I have been in Chesscube for about 3 years now, but i still am 85Lv. Also, i disagree with the VIP's tournaments. They must be open for everyone, not for only the kings. And about the low cubit thing, i do enter tournament just for the daily bonuses myself, and probably for nearly all the Non VIPs as well. I even changed my account once, too. I also disagree with the game price too. I won with white as a non VIP, and guess what i got? -4 cubits. This is definately not a reward. It is like going up to a begger and taking his money. I say that Chesscube must be for chess, not money, and the VIPs. It must be a site of freedom to play chess, not for the higher people. Wasn't it for freedom to start off with? Did Chesscube grew greed? If Chesscube is not fair, I have been betrayed by my most-trusted website

kleidokratwr wrote:.... Playing with weak opponents has no fun (and to my elo position even has no sufficient players) to play. .... to say that playing in here for free is sustainable is somewhat exaggeration.

Well, to my view, playing 200 cubit games is best (good payoff when you win, at 360 or 378 cubits, ignore the official forum chart on that level for now), and the 25, 50 and 100 cubit games are a disaster that will eat away at your cubits balance (technically if you win enough 50 & 100 cubit games you could actually do better than break even but it would be very HARD unless your opponents were always much weaker).

Sorry, but if you want to gain cubits rapidly, playing weaker opponents at times is the way to go. You won't lose on elo level, indeed, those opponents in the 1450-1650 range are the most dangerous (to your elo level, to your cubits balance) because they're the most likely to be under rated (newcomers "on their way up in rating strength" start at 1500, may lose a few games at first as they get used to the site so be at 1450 or so yet ultimnately their rating may soar to over 1800 or even over 2000 -- I "bunnysnipe", so I know what I'm talking about, as I encounter those with no small amount of frequency -- eg. I came across four different ones in a row just earlier this week that I lost to and my rating's 2000). I urge that your tactic could best be to play opponents 200 or more rating points weaker than your 1450 or so present rating.

I gained more than 25,000 cubits these past two weeks using just that approach, with 200 cubit games and now have about 55,000 cubits. You could do this for awhile until you've lots of cubits, then challenge equal or stronger players and use up some of your cubits' savings (add a bunch of worthy opponents to your friends' list, so you've some that are handy to challenge and you've already checked out a bit or played earlier so are less risky than total strangers to play). And of course, the site has lots of tourneys (some free, some merely 5 or 25 cubits), and those events are where you could focus your efforts on playing really tough games. Do what ya gotta do.

kleidokratwr wrote:.... Playing with weak opponents has no fun (and to my elo position even has no sufficient players) to play. .... to say that playing in here for free is sustainable is somewhat exaggeration.

Well, to my view, playing 200 cubit games is best (good payoff when you win, at 360 or 378 cubits, ignore the official forum chart on that level for now), and the 25, 50 and 100 cubit games are a disaster that will eat away at your cubits balance (technically if you win enough 50 & 100 cubit games you could actually do better than break even but it would be very HARD unless your opponents were always much weaker).

Sorry, but if you want to gain cubits rapidly, playing weaker opponents at times is the way to go. You won't lose on elo level, indeed, those opponents in the 1450-1650 range are the most dangerous (to your elo level, to your cubits balance) because they're the most likely to be under rated (newcomers "on their way up in rating strength" start at 1500, may lose a few games at first as they get used to the site so be at 1450 or so yet ultimnately their rating may soar to over 1800 or even over 2000 -- I "bunnysnipe", so I know what I'm talking about, as I encounter those with no small amount of frequency -- eg. I came across four different ones in a row just earlier this week that I lost to and my rating's 2000). I urge that your tactic could best be to play opponents 200 or more rating points weaker than your 1450 or so present rating.

I gained more than 25,000 cubits these past two weeks using just that approach, with 200 cubit games and now have about 55,000 cubits. You could do this for awhile until you've lots of cubits, then challenge equal or stronger players and use up some of your cubits' savings (add a bunch of worthy opponents to your friends' list, so you've some that are handy to challenge and you've already checked out a bit or played earlier so are less risky than total strangers to play). And of course, the site has lots of tourneys (some free, some merely 5 or 25 cubits), and those events are where you could focus your efforts on playing really tough games. Do what ya gotta do.

I want to say it too.I don't agree with babasaheb either. I think in Chesscube people with VIP are served as kings, while us "underdogs" are restricted a lot. For one, i disagree with the new "discount" rule. People with VIP will only lose a bit of cubits while the normals will sprial down to 0. It is unfair for the non-VIPs. Also, VIPs not only get 25XP more, but do they get double that! They can reach the XP VIP extensions faster, and thus extending their thone time. The underdogs has to spend a lot of time at Chesscube to reach 100Lv. I have been in Chesscube for about 3 years now, but i still am 85Lv. Also, i disagree with the VIP's tournaments. They must be open for everyone, not for only the kings. And about the low cubit thing, i do enter tournament just for the daily bonuses myself, and probably for nearly all the Non VIPs as well. I even changed my account once, too. I also disagree with the game price too. I won with white as a non VIP, and guess what i got? -4 cubits. This is definately not a reward. It is like going up to a begger and taking his money. I say that Chesscube must be for chess, not money, and the VIPs. It must be a site of freedom to play chess, not for the higher people. Wasn't it for freedom to start off with? Did Chesscube grew greed? If Chesscube is not fair, I have been betrayed by my most-trusted website.You kill this site yourself.

If you were only increasing cubits as much as possible (& XP level), you would login in daily and play one rated game per day (costs 15 cubits and btw, the 25 & 50 cubit price games are really bad value here, now). And join a free or 5 cubit tourney [if it's a rated game tourney, that satisfies the rated game daily bonus requirement too, I believe). At 120 free cubits/day, you'd net 105 to 115 cubits/day (plus any XP level increase bonus], in merely two weeks at that pace, you'd have at least 1,470 to 1,610 cubits (while more is better, that's sufficient imo to carefully follow my suggestions at http://www.chesscube.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5068, to build up tens of thousands of cubits, once your XP level reaches 30).

Or, you could take longer, play more games per day. Or, not try, and simply use up all your cubits each day playing games.

I suppose my main point here is, I see you've been playing 25 & 50 cubit games (15 cubit games would have been somewhat less wasteful), and 25 / 50 cubit games will cost you on average about 20,000 cubits per thousand games if you're winning about as many as you're losing. So, you can either BUY cubits to support that playing style, or, slowly wait for the site's daily free cubits to support that. IF you won about 90% of your games (eg. by playing only much weaker players), I suppose that might work o.k. with 50 cubit games to build your cubits balance as you do gain 10 cubits with each win while losing 50 with each loss (plus or minus a trivial black/white adjustment). But it certainly won't work with 25 cubit games no matter how many you win as you do not even when winning get your game price back (you'd do much better choosing 15 cubit games, as those are cheaper in the long run).

Once you've the budget (accumulated cubits) and XP 30 level, you can choose 200 cubit games (way better payoff, of 360 or 378 cubits per win vs 200 cubits to play) so you need only win somewhat more of those than you lose, to accumulate a healthy net gain in (details fully explained in my topic's link), and, play as many games here as you like for free...

i need to pay 2000++ cubits to get level 31 and you said it is easy to gain cubits

Now that you are at XP 31, you can play 200 cubit games. Just win more than you lose of those (eg. 60% wins, 40% losses by playing weaker players) and you'll eventually become a cubits millionaire here.

Now that you are at XP 31, you can play 200 cubit games. Just win more than you lose of those (eg. 60% wins, 40% losses by playing weaker players) and you'll eventually become a cubits millionaire here.

You've been losing half your games. You need to - play weaker opponents so that you're losing only 30-40% of your games, and, - you need to save your cubits by playing less often in the short term, so that you can escape the 15, 25 and 50 cubit games where you gain little or nothing from wins.

This will take time and patience on your part. I am not a magician, I cannot do this for you. I've only shown you the way. Your pay off will be when you have enough cubits to play and win most of your 100 (or much better 200 at present) cubit games. It truly is up to you. If this approach is too tiresome for you, just BUY your cubits or a VIP membership.

babasaheb wrote:It's what you do with your cubits, not how many you have.

You've been losing half your games. You need to - play weaker opponents so that you're losing only 30-40% of your games, and, - you need to save your cubits by playing less often in the short term, so that you can escape the 15, 25 and 50 cubit games where you gain little or nothing from wins.

This will take time and patience on your part. I am not a magician, I cannot do this for you. I've only shown you the way. Your pay off will be when you have enough cubits to play and win most of your 100 (or much better 200 at present) cubit games. It truly is up to you. If this approach is too tiresome for you, just BUY your cubits or a VIP membership.