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right now. let's take a look at the next idea aboutthedebtceilingdebate.i think this is a really important finding here, guys. we ask do you think congress is going to increasethedebtceilingeverytime it's reached, refuse to raise it atsomepointanddon't know? you can see 86% are saying that congress will raise the debt ceiling every time it's reached this year, when i think about some of the reasons why stocks have gotten higher because i think that thread along with the fiscal cliff has come out of the market and that there's overwhelming sentiment that coss i solve the get problem. we asked wall street to grade our treasury secretary going out and one coming in. you can see a pretty strong sentiment that he was a seed secretary with a 2.2. jack lew, the sentiment there. 2.0. one more thing on the deficit i just want to say and maybe this is worthy of discussion here. i think this is a sign that things have improved, at these economists and guys on wall street are saying we should solve the deficit and do it now. i think if things were as bad as they were say the last couple years there might be less sense that we urgently need to fix the deficit problem. mike england from action economics said if we don't solve it now we'll g

right now. let's take a look at the next idea about the debt ceiling debate. i think this is a really important finding here, guys. we ask do you think congress is going to increase the debt ceiling every time it's reached, refuse to raise it at some point and don't know? you can see 86% are saying that congress will raise the debt ceiling every time it's reached this year, when i think about some of the reasons why stocks have gotten higher because i think that thread along with the fiscal...

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. we'll do a documentary on it. >> a lot of people will be saying,whatdebtceiling? >>exactly. and that'sthepoint, right?we don't really have a debt ceiling, so let's not pretend that we do. you know what i mean. anyway, still to come on the show, u.p.s., will the shipping giant deliver? we'll talk about that. ♪ [ male announcer ] make your escape... twice as rewarding. earn double points or double miles on all your hotel stays through march thirty first. sign up now at hidouble.com. >>> welcome back to "worldwide exchange." sap tander and deutsche are hit by big charges. >>> british stocks are falling after disappointing numbers from shell and warning of a tough year ahead from astrazeneca. >> shell shares are down today after the oil and gas giant reported a 13% jump in fourth quarter profits. it was shy of forecast. the company has pledged to boost the dividend after posting adjusted cps earnings of $5.6 billion of adjusted eps of 49.8 cents. in a first on cnbc interview, shell ceo peter voses sounded fairly confident. he cited the firm's cash position. >> shell is in a very good situation at the

. we'll do a documentary on it. >> a lot of people will be saying, what debt ceiling? >> exactly. and that's the point, right? we don't really have a debt ceiling, so let's not pretend that we do. you know what i mean. anyway, still to come on the show, u.p.s., will the shipping giant deliver? we'll talk about that. ♪ [ male announcer ] make your escape... twice as rewarding. earn double points or double miles on all your hotel stays through march thirty first. sign up now at...

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. you are looking ahead tothedebtceilingandsaying another policy error could be a big market hit. what do you mean by that? >> we look can't think we are still in this leveraging scenario. it is not over. debt levels are still high in the u.s. and many developing economies. we have to bring those down to create a nice fundamental situation. that provides a lot of opportunity for policymakers to make mistakes or mess things up. and the extension in front of -- a sequester coming. the extension of the budgets for the coming year, in europe we still have spain refinancing 20% of gdp in debt, more than enough opportunities, that is not a best case. >> you are talking about the united states, the worst enemy at this point. to get these jobless claims at week 5-year lows, nice to see but if unemployment is at 10%, in range for 2013, and it will take 1/2% of of the gdp, no jobs, don't even have an economic recovery and no jobs. >> not necessarily a bad economy, we are in an okay economy, not great because 1/2%, from a fiscal austerity coming through the pike, the job situation is improv

. you are looking ahead to the debt ceiling and saying another policy error could be a big market hit. what do you mean by that? >> we look can't think we are still in this leveraging scenario. it is not over. debt levels are still high in the u.s. and many developing economies. we have to bring those down to create a nice fundamental situation. that provides a lot of opportunity for policymakers to make mistakes or mess things up. and the extension in front of -- a sequester coming. the...

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may. not a hoppyist headwind.thedebtceilingdebatehas been delayed for three months no. reason why the market can't keep running atthispointjustbecause there's no obvious catalyst to run into, but at some point, whether it's the revenue growth or something out of washington, you know, i think we'll -- we're due for a pause if not outright correction. >> fundamentals matter. >> sooner or later they do. >> please, go ahead. >> just going to mention two cautionary notes here. even though i'm pretty constructive on the economy i'll give you a good reason to worry about april sis the sequestering right? i think markets have gotten very comfortable with the washington dysfunction going on because they keep going up at the deadline and then fix the problem without damage to the economy and my sense is sequester happening, $100 billion out of the economy, is actually on the high side and i don't think that's built into the market and the other thing, the last time the market was at these levels, the size of the economy was only a little bit smaller than it was now, profits a smaurter smaller. enormous market expansion which goes to t

may. not a hoppyist headwind. the debt ceiling debate has been delayed for three months no. reason why the market can't keep running at this point just because there's no obvious catalyst to run into, but at some point, whether it's the revenue growth or something out of washington, you know, i think we'll -- we're due for a pause if not outright correction. >> fundamentals matter. >> sooner or later they do. >> please, go ahead. >> just going to mention two cautionary...

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on this specific question ofthedebtceilingandthe question of default, because we know from 2011, the adverse impact2,000pointsinthe -- that the dow lost. we know the consumer confidence took a six-month hit because of the debt ceiling fight. so, to take that off the table as a big washington fight helps a lot, i think. >> certainly, the markets, a lot of people pointing to one reason, you have had a pretty nice string of gains here that debate, at least the deadline pushed back a bit. where does the conversation now begin when it comes to real reform? who instigate it is and how constructive do you think it's going to be? >> i think we can build upon some of the previous efforts. we had an agreement in 2011 which allowed us to reduce spending and we can do that again. at the end to of this year so the called fiscal cliff deal i think was further evidence when you get 89 united states senators voting for that end of the year agree respect, the deal was perfect and had all kinds of frustrations associated with it, but we have to keep building upon what is some good developments in bipartisan consensus. i can't s

on this specific question of the debt ceiling and the question of default, because we know from 2011, the adverse impact 2,000 points in the -- that the dow lost. we know the consumer confidence took a six-month hit because of the debt ceiling fight. so, to take that off the table as a big washington fight helps a lot, i think. >> certainly, the markets, a lot of people pointing to one reason, you have had a pretty nice string of gains here that debate, at least the deadline pushed back...

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. >> whited lawmakers decided his best to delaythedebtceiling? >>about two weeks ago they tried in 2011 to usethedebtandthen as aleveragepointtoforce obama to swallow spending cuts. it worked, but it is terribly damaging to the nation's economy and their political capital. with something like 90% in august of 2011 and they recognize this is a bad idea. thing is a pretty bad idea of a downgrade for the first time. they didn't want to do that again, but they didn't want to vote for a thicker national debt either. that doesn't care what their philosophy to pick them up with a strategy and in the meantime we want the senate to pass a budget for 2014 and the law says if either chamber fails a budget, paychecks will be docked. the whole idea is to postpone the economy default situation until the prosecutor at the continuing fight over taxes and then made to a point where both sides are satisfied in the debt limit can be raised again. >> how a template of a increasing the deficit in effect the economy and financial markets? >> where do you know the answer. it's sort of jan at the bill and i went to expect this. when initially propos

. >> whited lawmakers decided his best to delay the debt ceiling? >> about two weeks ago they tried in 2011 to use the debt and then as a leverage point to force obama to swallow spending cuts. it worked, but it is terribly damaging to the nation's economy and their political capital. with something like 90% in august of 2011 and they recognize this is a bad idea. thing is a pretty bad idea of a downgrade for the first time. they didn't want to do that again, but they didn't want to...

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political situation,taxation,debtceiling. onthe other hand, despite all of that liquidity, we have mediocre employment growth, manufacturing data, while it has improved is still around that recessionary line of 50 and toyourpointaroundm2 that's very interesting and yet we're still at record low velocity of money. that's very scary. all this money pumped into the system is sitting on the balance sheets of banks, corporations. >> nominal gdp is starting to rise. >> slowly. >> what about the information revolution? now, you made an important point. so far why should raise taxes on investors, terrible idea. i'm hoping do no harm, maybe some small spending cuts so that's not going to be a factor. i don't see a debt default. i think that's off the table. what blt american energy revolution, what about the growth, what about the cheap natural gas and what about how that makes america so competitive? i'm only talking 2.5% growth, not 3%, 4, 5% growth. >> the fertilizer trusts are on fires. ammonia is going to be cheap, that's terrific. but here's a factoid for you. kmn's exports to asia are up 20% year on year. america's exports are up 1.5% year on year. what. >> what does that mean? >> our industrys are not competing and

political situation, taxation, debt ceiling. on the other hand, despite all of that liquidity, we have mediocre employment growth, manufacturing data, while it has improved is still around that recessionary line of 50 and to your point around m2 that's very interesting and yet we're still at record low velocity of money. that's very scary. all this money pumped into the system is sitting on the balance sheets of banks, corporations. >> nominal gdp is starting to rise. >> slowly....

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didn't get that outcome. at the same time, they've pushed offthedebtceilingfora few months. so the body language out of washington has been more constellatory. so when you get tothispointwhereyou think about what the deficit might look like this year, i don't think you're going to be looking at a balanced budget so soon. you can't sustain trillion dollar deficiter year after year after year doubling the debt so many years and still think that the market is going to accept that over time. they know the market needs to move away from this, but it's going to away longer process. >> kevin and mike will be with us for the rest of the hour. >> and it's time for the global markets report. kelly evans is standing by in london. i could string up a lot of thing to talk to you about, kelly. you're very close to davos. i don't know. we -- i don't really feel like i've missed anything, really. but you're still close. you could have jetted over there easily and joined in with, you know, john legend and charlie thero this e, andrew ross sorkin. >> i was hoping maybe some of those people would use it as an excuse to come through london. ross westgate has been away at davos covering the ev

didn't get that outcome. at the same time, they've pushed off the debt ceiling for a few months. so the body language out of washington has been more constellatory. so when you get to this point where you think about what the deficit might look like this year, i don't think you're going to be looking at a balanced budget so soon. you can't sustain trillion dollar deficiter year after year after year doubling the debt so many years and still think that the market is going to accept that over...

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default. >> why did lawmakers decide it was best to delay having to debate raisingthedebtceiling? >>well, it was a decision by house republican leaders a few weeks ago. they tried in 2011 to usethedebtlimitas a lynch --leveragepointtoforce obama to swallow spending u cuts. it worked but -- [inaudible] to something like 9%. and they recognize that it was a bad idea. i mean, gambling with the credit of the united it turned out is a bad idea. we were downgraded for the first time in nation's history. they department want to do that again. like i said, i didn't want to vote for a bigger national debt either. that doesn't fit with their philosophy. they came up with the strategy of saying we're going us is fend. and in the meantime, they want the senate to pass a budget for 2014 and the law salses that -- says that if either chamber fails to adopt a budget by april 15, the paychecks will be docked. the idea of the thing is to postpone the sort of economy raddling default situation until they can prosecute the continuing fight over taxes and spending to a point where, you know, both are satisfied and the debt limit can be raised again. >> economy ragging hue will the temporary delay affect the economy and the financial

default. >> why did lawmakers decide it was best to delay having to debate raising the debt ceiling? >> well, it was a decision by house republican leaders a few weeks ago. they tried in 2011 to use the debt limit as a lynch -- leverage point to force obama to swallow spending u cuts. it worked but -- [inaudible] to something like 9%. and they recognize that it was a bad idea. i mean, gambling with the credit of the united it turned out is a bad idea. we were downgraded for the...

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those house republicans to go along withthedebtceilingchange,they had to promise that paul ryan was going to produce a budget in a week that would balance the budget in ten years with no revenue increases. >> right. >> now, when you see what is going to happen to spending in order to meet those numbers, i'd like to see her go out there and say, this is the kind of thing the republican party should get behind and run behind because it's going to be ugly. >> richard wolffe, mary matalin is positive. there aren't a lot of republicans right now who are given what's happened. but again, we see shifts in party allegiances fairly quickly. it just does seem like my party is suffering a long-term letdown. to say the least. >> yeah. look, mary has a strong character, as we all know. the truth is that the president actually won and he won pretty big for his ideas. i didn't -- by the way, the president talking about cap and trade in his inaugural. he didn't say how he would address climate change. he said we have to address the impact of it. the question for republicans, i think, is what's

those house republicans to go along with the debt ceiling change, they had to promise that paul ryan was going to produce a budget in a week that would balance the budget in ten years with no revenue increases. >> right. >> now, when you see what is going to happen to spending in order to meet those numbers, i'd like to see her go out there and say, this is the kind of thing the republican party should get behind and run behind because it's going to be ugly. >> richard...

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expectations. you say it and it's like, where am i even saying it? it's up22points. facebook,great numbers, down. >> the senate is expected to vote this afternoon on a bill to suspend the debt ceiling for three months, following the house. this would allow more house for debate on the fiscal issues we're facing. the senate version includes several republican amendments, though, including matching spending cuts for every dollar increase in the debt ceiling. those amendments expected to be defeated. the bill won't technically raise the debt ceiling, but it will suspend it until may 19th when it will be raised by the amount that the treasury borrows in the interim. that's how it's going to work. and markets, as we've been talking about on a tear this month with the dow having its best january in decades. but will yesterday's surprising drop in gdp reign in the bulls, it says here? let's get a read on the state of the economy. at least it wasn't a -- that kind of rein. there's three of them. anyway, joining us for the next hour is bob bruska. that's fao -- >> no. you cannot. >> fao eco

expectations. you say it and it's like, where am i even saying it? it's up 22 points. facebook, great numbers, down. >> the senate is expected to vote this afternoon on a bill to suspend the debt ceiling for three months, following the house. this would allow more house for debate on the fiscal issues we're facing. the senate version includes several republican amendments, though, including matching spending cuts for every dollar increase in the debt ceiling. those amendments expected to...