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The Koran in the Vatican

In a special ceremony, clerics from Islam, Judaism, and Christianity will read passages from their respective holy books.

The PLO celebrate the introduction of the Koran in the Vatican.

Peres left for Rome on Sunday morning to participate in the prayer for peace in the Middle East. The event will be attended by Pope Francis, Abbas, Eastern Orthodox Patriarch Bartholomew and spiritual representatives of the Jewish, Muslim, Christian and Druse faiths.

Peres traveled to Rome without the Palestinian leader, who is due to arrive from Egypt later in the day. At the behest of Sephardi Chief Rabbi Yitzhak Yosef, Peres asked that the prayer ceremony be held in a neutral part of the Vatican, and not in a chapel, so as not to violate Jewish religious dictates that forbid Jews to pray in a church.

When you accept Roman Catholicism as true Christianity, you accept the supremacy of the Pope. And with the Pope, you get the New One World Religion, “Chrislam”.

The head of the PLO, the Pope and Shimon Peres.

It is a merged religion of Catholicism and Islam, the two largest religion, with more than 2,3 billon followers. We can also call this movement for the One World Religion.

You are spiritual blind as a bat, if you still can not see the rise of anti-Christianity, the replacement of the true faith in Jesus the Messiah. When the Koran is read in the Vatican, the spiritual whore of mysterious Babylon is presented to you on a golden platter. So you can take a stand against this evil, repent, and beg the Messiah for mercy.

1 Thessalonians 5:3When people are saying, All is well and secure, and, There is peace and safety, then in a moment unforeseen destruction (ruin and death) will come upon them as suddenly as labor pains come upon a woman with child; and they shall by no means escape, for there will be no escape. (The Amplified Bible)

If you continue to work with these evildoers, you will eventually have to spend eternity with them. And that is not inside the Kingdom of Heaven, but in the eternal lake of sulfur, the everlasting Hell.

I loved you enough to warn you. May Jesus the Messiah have mercy on all who comes to him today, inside the 12th hour.

Pope John Paul II kissed the Koran. But it was not inside the Vatican. My best guess is that the picture of the Pontiff kissing the Koran in front of an Arab prince, was published by mistake.

But now, the unholy book of the violent Islamic ideology, will be lifted up as a ‘Holy book” inside the Vatican in bright daylight. This is truly prophetic, and soon the Great Tribulation will bring God’s wrath on all those who support this evil.

I’m inclined to believe that the Tribulation has already begun. I know that the Antichrist has yet to be revealed and Daniel’s “covenant with the many hasn’t been conclusively identified yet either. But somehow when I see of the rise in anti-semitism, the corruption in the world, Israel being surrounded by enemies on all sides, and all of the Christians being crucified, raped, burned alive, beaten, beheaded, and imprisoned, it sure feels like tribulation. I keep feeling as though we may have missed something, prophetically speaking. It’s just a feeling.

I also have this minority view about the Great Tribulation. Since i do not teach about the pre-trib rapture, the claimed sudden invisibility of the Church on the face of the Earth.

I feel its not possible to say the exact day and the hour when the age of judgement has begun. But it can be identify by the power of the Holy people being completely broken. Read: When we face apostasy and gross falling away everywhere.

The badly hammered and persecuted Church will be raptured in the midst of the Great Tribulation.

These are indeed interesting times, that said, I can’t wait for everything to be over with and for the thousand year reign to begin. Then we will be able to sit at Yeshua’s feet and He will teach us. I worry about the warning Yeshua gave about Satan wearing out the saints. I can see that happening. I find myself growing tired at times. I hate this world!

True prophets of the Lord, has been telling the World about this event to take place soon. We have done so for some time.

The merger of Islam and Catholicism will have to take place, shall this “peace movement” be able to trap Israel. And at the end of chaos, comes the global demand for the strong man. One of the last questions not answered, is if the Jesuit Pope him self will sit down at King Davids throne in Jerusalem. Or will the “Holy see” anoint someone else to take this hot seat in the Old City of Jerusalem.

Most of the World will be lead into submission to this falsehood. But there will at least be two witnesses left in Jerusalem who will refuse to obey.

Ivarfjeld. You present much truth on your website, but according to the bible there will be no eternal lake of sulfur, or an everlasting Hell. The lake of fire will burn till everything cast into it is burned up. Then God will create a new or recreated earth, where Gods people will live forever.

Ivarfjeld. Your opinion on hell tells me that you believe that all the unsaved have eternal life, otherwise they can not live for ever in a burning hell. That belief is not biblical. It is spiritism which for example the RCC teaches. According to the bible only God has eternal life and those who will be given eternal life at the second coming of Christ. The picture of God you present is that he is cruel beyond comprehension. Hitler, Mao and Stalin were among the worst but they at least killed their victims. The God you believe in apparently is going to torture people for ever and ever and ever …. Please leave the unbiblical teaching about hell, otherwise your biblical teaching on other subjects will loose credibility.

Personally, I don’t really know with a certainty what will happen in the lake of fire. I believe that Satan and his demons will suffer eternal hell because it was originally created for them.

The scriptures say that there will be a new heaven and a new earth. Who knows perhaps the lake of fire is in the bowels of this earth, and it could burn forever. We will find all of these things out with certainty when Yeshua returns.

I”m tired! I just want to fantasize about my new wedding garments. I hope mine is a dress. I don’t know, maybe it’s a girl thing!

To work we need daylight and space. When darkness set, we will be forced to become an underground movement. Just like it is over large part of the World already. The sun is shining, but darkness and mist is reigning inside the heart of most people. They hide or they bluntly display that they take pleasure in their sins.

I agree with you deniseandros! may I add that whatever truth it is (whether all the unfaithful together with the devil and demons will burn “eternally” in hellfire or not), what’s important is all the faithful to Jesus will remain as such, stay strong, and continue to follow God’s commandments so they (we), on that fateful day of Jesus’ 2nd coming, will be assured of a mansion in Heaven and not worry about hell!

@Torbjörn Göransson: “but according to the bible there will be no eternal lake of sulfur, or an everlasting Hell.”

Shalom. Please do not make Y’shua to be a liar, that is very dangerous for you. From transliterations of the Holy Scriptures:

“And if your hand or your foot causes you to stumble and sin, cut it off and throw it away from you; it is better (more profitable and wholesome) for you to enter life maimed or lame than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into everlasting fire.” (Matthew 18:8),

“Then He will say to those at His left hand, Begone from Me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels!” (Matthew 25:41),

“Then they will go away into eternal punishment, but those who are just and upright and in right standing with God into eternal life.” (Matthew 25:46)

“Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.” (John 5:28-29)

“But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8).

These are ALL from King Y’eshua. Pay special attention to what the Risen Lord tells us in Revelation 21:8.

Please repent, turn from your deception and cry out to be delivered and born again by Y’shua Messiah – the ONLY Way.

The bible use the word eternal with different meanings. For example, Sodom and Gomorrah were burnt with an eternal fire. That eternal fire is not burning today which means that only the result was eternal or permanent. As I see it the same is applicable for the lake of fire.

See Jude 1:7: Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

Shalom and toda rabah for citing scripture. This is the passage I presumed you would provide. Note the difference in your statement and that of the scripture you provided. You stated “Sodom and Gomorrah were burnt with an eternal fire”, yet the verse you bring states “suffering the vengeance of eternal fire”. The verb “suffering” is present tense.

Mordechai. You say that the cities (and the citizens) have been delivered into eternal fire. There is no fire burning today in or at the place for these cities and therefore both the cities and the citizens can not had been delivered into eternal fire.

Torbjorn. It appears to me that you are not looking for answers, instead you are looking for an argument. I have already stated that they were burned physically on earth, then they were delivered into the eternal fire.

I offer another warning to you since again you are trying to make Y’shua a liar from your statement in your post that:

“There is no fire burning today in or at the place for these cities and therefore both the cities and the citizens can not had been delivered into eternal fire”.

I looked up the Greek word for flame and it means “flame”, so I choose to believe what King Y’shua says is true. Clearly the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah occurred before Y’shua’s account of the certain rich man in Luke 19.

For any who are reading this thread, if you have rejected Jesus, The Only Begotten and Unique Son of G-d, when you leave this earthly life, you will find yourself in torments in hell (Hades, Tartarus, Gehenna) until the Great White Throne Judgment, and then you will be sentenced to “the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8). See also Revelation 20:11-15 and John 5:27-29.

Teachings of “Annihilationism (also known as extinctionism or destructionism” and “purgatory” are known declared heresies.

Mordechai. Observe the eternal fire is not yet come! My God does not punish before judgement.
See Revelation chapter 20 (KJV).
v. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.
v 9. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city:and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
v.12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened:and another book was opened, which is the book of life:and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

“He too shall [have to] drink of the wine of G-d’s indignation and wrath, poured undiluted into the cup of His anger; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no respite (no pause, no intermission, no rest, no peace) day or night.” (Revelation 14:10-11, AMP).

Mordechai. My final argument about “eternal” hellfire. If “the wages of sin” were conscious, unending, never ceasing, eternal torment, then the ONLY WAY that Jesus Christ could experience the full penalty for our sins would be for Him to consciously suffer eternal torment in our behalf.
Is Christ today burning for our sins? No! Did Christ drank the wine of Gods indignation? Yes! In fact he died for our sins, because “the wages of sin is death.” To say that “the wages of sin” is burning forever, and then to deny that Jesus Christ will burn forever, is to deny that Jesus Christ paid the full penalty for our sins.

Can´t you see that you have misunderstood the teaching about the wages of sin? There is really a hellfire on the earth, and the smoke thereof will ascend forever. But the fire will not burn forever!

Linear time is just one aspect of the physical universe (some refer to it as the fourth dimension). From a position outside of the universe/time it may be possible to see anything that happened in history as an eternal moment (“and the smoke thereof will ascend forever).

Yet, Y’shua (Jesus) tells us about punishment in these verses, among many. Note the amount of “stripes”:

“And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more. (Luke 12:47:48).

It is written:
“He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.” (Revelation 22:11).

Mordechai. Yes, the lake of fire means punishment and because God is just that punishment will be according to the works of the unjust. But there will be no eternal punishment, because that would be unjust beyond imagination.

Mordechai. I believe that those who are reconciled to God through Jesus Christ have their sins forgiven, and receive the gift of eternal life. I believe that the unsaved do not have eternal “life” in Hell, but will be resurrected in order to face judgment, and receive the penalty of death (“The Second Death”), which is permanent (eternally effective).