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At its Gamescom press event in Cologne this week, Sony released a flood of news regarding the PlayStation 4. Without a doubt, the biggest headline was that the PS4 has officially sold-through 10 million units, but sprinkled throughout the press conference was some truly exciting info regarding the future of the platform. Specifically, the promise of streaming multiplayer games to my friends has me intrigued.

Sony’s presentation was chockablock with games — many of which are new IPs. Michel Ancel (of Rayman fame) showed off his new project called WiLD, Housemarque’s Alienation is yet another take on dual-joystick shooters, and Ninja Theory’s Hellblade trailer looked absolutely fantastic. Of course, existing franchises were there in full force as well. Tearaway, LittleBigPlanet 3, inFAMOUS First Light, and Metal Gear Solid V were up on stage just like you’d expect. If you’re actually interested in seeing more about the games, you can actually watch Sony’s entire presentation in the embedded video below.

After about an hour of trailers, Sony finally got to the good stuff: new features. Sony’s 2.0 firmware, rolling out in the next few months, will sport a number of useful improvements and additions. For example, YouTube support is being baked into the OS. You’ll be able to directly upload your gameplay clips to Google’s massively popular video sharing site, and a dedicated YouTube app is headed to the PS4 as well. As it stands, your only options are to either save your videos to an external drive or share them on Facebook, and that’s a huge hassle for many of us. This is a smart move on Sony’s part.

Even better, the “Share Play” functionality promised before launch is finally making its way to PS4 owners. After firmware 2.0 ships, you’ll be able to let any of your PSN friends play with you co-operatively over the internet. Sony is selling this concept as a “virtual sofa,” so you’ll be playing on a single copy of the game. With Share Play, you’ll be running the game locally on your PS4, and your friends can be invited to stream your game on their PS4 — much like a multiplayer version of Remote Play. You’ll be able to play together, and even swap controllers at will. In effect, this feature is a bizarre and clever hybrid of local and online multiplayer gaming.

Sadly, there wasn’t any discussion of the game suspension feature for version 2.0. The ability to put your game to sleep, and instantly return to where you left off is a killer feature on the Xbox One and Vita. In fact, Sony has promised that capability for the PS4, but the company remains vague about when that functionality is coming. Still, I’m holding out hope that game suspension will be ready in time for the big 2.0 rollout in fall. At this point, that’s my most anticipated feature — DLNA be damned.

Tagged In

This is going to be pretty badass. I feel sorry for those that really don’t know how the PS4 is. I have a PS Vita and can remote-play all of my games. So, the PS4+Vita combo is second to none. Add in PS+ free games, Vita t.v. to come, PS now and Project Morpheus, Playstation is the best place to play games. No bullshit. Does any other game company offer what Sony is offering right now? It’s no wonder they are selling PS4’s like crazy. You can say what you want, I don’t care. The PS4+Vita combo is un-matched.

Zunalter

If only they would officially bundle those.

Mirimon

^^this, do a vita bundle at 500 (small hit in the junk for sony, but would grow that userbase of platforms).

Josh101

Yes, I really wish they would. Hell, if they would have kiosks setup with the actual good games on display it would sell much better by itself.

Josh101

That would be badass. As Mirimon says below, grow the userbase. The PS Vita is really a impressive kit.

Tom

What speed home broadband do you need to remote-play? Do you need hefty upload bandwidth or would something like 1Mbps do?

Mirimon

depends on the type… all that matters at home, when connected via the wifi source of the ps4 is a steady connection between the two, but when you leave that home network it gets trickier to maintain such a connection.

General rule for remote play is 3-5 mb/s, for PS Now 5+ mb/s is recommended.

It does work I use it often, great way to do crafting in ff14 or play commander mode in bf4 when away at work or traveling.

I use remote play 35 – 70 miles away from my PS4 on slow wifi connections and it works great. It takes a while to establish the connection and boot up the PS4 but after a couple minutes, you can do anything your PS4 can do on your Vita. The Vita becomes a mobile PS4.

Stacey Bright

That has largely to do with the Vita having a resolution of 960 x 544. That’s a pretty low resolution to deal with encoding quickly with a pretty low bitrate requirement. Distance is relatively insignificant.

Jason Lee

why is distance relatively insignificant?

Jason Lee

how is distance relatively insignificant?

Stacey Bright

I had a rather informative post ready, then the tab crashed. There is 14ms of latency between my job and some speed test server in NYC which is over 90 miles away. Some LCDs get worse input latency than that. I get closer to 40ms from my home internet to a server in maryland which is roughly the same distance. I can ping a google IP in california (the complete opposite side of the country) from home and still get 43ms.

Zunalter

As exciting as all of these features are going to be when they officially roll out, I am personally looking forward to actually having games to use the features on.

Mirimon

80+ titles to play right now… can’t find a few in that lot?

Jerome T

I can’t find any good games. There are a few ok games, But come fall… GTA V and WWE 2k15 for PS4! BOOM!

ScoobiJohn

the last of us remastered is not an ok game its a freaking masterpiece – cant believe i didn’t get it for the ps3 but in a way i’m glad i didn’t since got to play it at 1080p 60fps the first time

Mirimon

Soo many good games to play I am finding it difficult to play them all, and just on the ps4 alone….it wants to cut into my work at the shop, my deployments, my hunting… sigh…Time to retire so I can play games full time perhaps?

Zunalter

Very few, which I think was my point ;) Not interested in indie titles, get plenty of those for much cheaper on PC

54nakaD

You can’t play TLOU on PC

Zunalter

That would be one of the very few.

54nakaD

I rather have one great game then 10 shitty ones. How’s Railroad Tycoon and Ages of Empire?

PS4 has many great games that gamers love. That’s why it’s 10+ million in sales and growing. Sony’s large number of well funded 1st parties will ensure PS4 has a ton of great AAA exclusives, as many or more than PS3.

Sony’s largest 1st party studios like Naughty Dog, Guerilla Games, and Santa Monica are working on unrevealed AAA games. Expect big 1st party AAA reveals in the future. Sony’s 1st parties are well funded and the games division is making a profit.

PS4 has many great games that gamers love. That’s why it’s 10+ million in sales and growing. Sony’s large number of well funded 1st parties will ensure PS4 has a ton of great AAA exclusives, as many or more than PS3.

Sony’s largest 1st party studios like Naughty Dog, Guerilla Games, and Santa Monica are working on unrevealed AAA games. Expect big 1st party AAA reveals in the future. Sony’s 1st parties are well funded and the games division is making a profit.

So, TL;DR, except to skim the list of “exclusives” and point being that

a. Most of those big exclusives that I am actually excited to come out are not here yet. Case and point your list starts in June (7 months after release) and goes until December.
b. Many of your “exclusives” are indie titles that can be had on PC, for a much better price generally, and so do not really count as exclusive, but thanks for the hype all the same.

demfax

There were plenty of AAA games in the first half of 2014.

Zunalter

That invalidates neither of the points I made above.

demfax

What are you looking forward to? Bloodborne?

Zunalter

Yes, that and No Man’s Sky, The Order, Uncharted, Wild. There are a lot more that I am likely to get on PC instead of PS4, so these are just the ones that are PS4 for sure.

demfax

Yeah I have a good PC for Witcher 3, Dragon Age, etc.

meddle0ne

I feel bad for the 10 million that fell for the hype. It’s clear that Sony is not developing their console as well as MS.

Still more graphical power than Xbone… don’t you forget that. And selling 10 million units explains it all, when Playstation decide to add new features it will shit all over Microsoft’s brick machine.

AdamWL

Yes the PS4 has a better graphics card but the Xbone has a larger video cache. They both perform at around 45-55 fps at 1080p, the PS4 can run 3-4 fps faster than the Xbone but that is a unnoticable difference to the human eye.

Mordarkeen

Brand loyalty? You do realize alot of those10 million are 360 owners. Now that friends will be able to share games with friends even if one of them doesnt own it will in itself pull people in who are on the fence still. Also theres alot bigger difference between 720p and 1080p so yea it really is noticeable. What hype are you talking about? The up coming killer exclusives??

Mirimon

3-4 fps? no.. try 7-23 fps faster

as if it’s all about fps… to get the same games on xb1 to play to some standard, other features are cut.. want 1080p, you get less fps, want fps? you get less resolution, want 1080p AND 60 fps?? xbox offers it, by sacrificing draw distance, rendering, mapping, particle effects, particle density, AA, etc etc etc…..

Don’t worry, the proof is in the.. well.. it’s in our hands right now.. nice how every game between them so far has shown DRASTIC differences….
If brand loyalty alone could sell a product in ths little war, then xbox would have more than 3 million sold-through…. (that is being generous)

jim moore2

Since both last gen consoles sole approximately the same number globally, how can you suggest “brand loyalty” is why Sony is so far ahead this gen? Almost double in fact. And also ahead in the market that MS handily won last gen, i.e. the US. If brand loyalty had anything to do with it, MS would be ahead by a long shot in the US and they would be roughly tied globally.

N.D.S.R.D.

At this stage we are past the hype. We are almost 9 months in so that really isn’t a factor anymore. While X-Bone does gave a few titles which I am looking foward to like Mindcraft.

Which I hear your going to be able to transfer your game saves from X360. In addition to the New Halo and of coarse Tomb Raider.

However that i expect will only be a timed exclussive. PS4 just seem to be a better value all around. Add in PS+ extras and you really can’t go wrong

Furthermore I agree that the friends being able to share function is going to put the XBone on life support. This is exactly the thing MSoft was trying to avoid. Unless they can pull a rabbit out of their hat, just saying.

Mordarkeen

Someones butt hurt. Can your xbone share games like this?

Fuck Africa

who cares?

Mordarkeen

Actually alot of people. Its revolutionary for ps4 owners.

Ben Dover Kuntz

sure… its revolutionary for the stupid.

the fact is that ps4 share function is a huge step backward with more restriction and nothing more. the ps3 share function have no time limit, and you can still use your console when your friend test out the games you have.

Josh101

The PS3 share function is the same as PS4. Two of my buddies shared their profiles with one another and were able to play Injustice: GAU against each other online. So, yeah, you’re trolling.

Ben Dover Kuntz

this proves that you are a dumbass….

Josh101

You upvote your own posts and you’re calling me the dumbass? heh

Fuck Africa

nope no it doesn’t. can’t spell ps4 without hacked

Fuck Africa

must be nice being able to play your console with a controller that finally works (even if its only for 4 hours) and its sub-par at best.

Mordarkeen

Must be nice to not have a life so you can game 4+ hours straight. You can buy batteries but plugging in the free ds4 charger a bit overwheling?

Fuck Africa

lol its absolutely hilarious that you think in 2014 that it is acceptable to have a controller that lasts as long a movie! ..but thats none of my business tho. have fun with the 4 hours you get with your ‘ds4’ controller!

Mordarkeen

Same can be said about needing batteries

Fuck Africa

lol. 45 hours > 4 hours

Mordarkeen

Better system > 45 hours

AdamWL

It is the same concept as steam family/friend support. Nothing new.

Mordarkeen

So Xbox one allows you to play games you dont even own with friends that do?

Mirimon

it is 100% nothing like ANY of those….

joseph cruz

That is completely different. -_-

Mirimon

Honest question.. not sure why I don’t know yet..

but.. will this other person on the “couch” be credited trophies?

(I have a feeling no.. but then again as I understand the streaming of PS Now titles, it does include trophies. The issue may be that since it’s a combination of Now will it be in a grey area?) Not that I am after trophies, just many maintstream OCD gamers like to collect shinies….I’m fine with or without it.IMO, a ground breaking feature in gaming.. no longer will my friend dial me on my pager to come over and help show him the pattern to fight a hard boss.

justerthought

This is a great idea by Sony and a very brave one I must say. But when you think about it, everyone gains. Gamers get the convenience of being able to share their new games with friends and the friends get to sample what’s on offer. The devs gain because it’s targeted advertisement. Gamers who sample the game playing with a friend will become hooked and buy it if they like it. If they don’t like it the dev has not lost a sale because they would not buy it anyway. But gamers who did not know they would like it are a completely new conversion for the devs.

It’s basically a reflection of real life put into digital form. A friend comes around to your house so you show him your new PS4 game and let him play it on your sofa. He becomes mighty impressed and goes away to buy his own copy of the game. What better advertisement for a game than a friend who enthusiastically praises the game as you sample it. No other form of marketing can top the potency of that. Everybody wins through Sony being fearless, open and generous.

This is the good face of capitalism. The bad face of capitalism is Microsoft offering a huge corrupt bribe to a Square Enix and Crystal Dynamics to deny loyal Tomb Raider fans from playing the sequel on PS3 or PS4. Unforgivable betrayal and deeply offensive to all those that had supported the series right from the start by buying every game. They were the ones who made Tomb Raider such a success and were the long term future of the series. The dev is blacklisted now so the series can only survive in future via corrupt MS bribes that have no relation to sales income or the amount of people enjoying the game.

It works with disk based games too. Xbots don’t seem to understand that Sony was never trying to kill physical media like Microsuck was doing and still is doing.

AdamWL

You praise Sony like it is some type of Savior. You can’t go and blame one company for taking bribes without factual evidence, Sony could be doing as much bribing, we don’t know. They both push gaming forward and backward. Sony is making a Virtual Reality Headset and only releasing it on the PS4 if they were the savior you say they are then they would release it for all systems.

Mirimon

yeah.. Sony really isn’t in a financial state to money hat like MSFT does…. sorry.. they likely still offer loans and assistance in forms of education, hardware solutions, and key personnel for taskings…

also.. why would Sony make vr for all… isn’t that what the Rift and the 7 other VR companies are doing? (oh wait.. they were only making it for PC.. the SMALLEST population of gamers and smallest piece of the software marketshare for gaming…..right.. arguably.. Sony IS making it more for everyone than the other are.. (besides.. it will likely use standard ports… pretty sure we can expect to see it run on PC)

Fuck Africa

Sony is very special. People love it so much they take turns hacking it!

Mordarkeen

Its not so much that Sony is a savior. Its that MS has no idea what its doing with its xb1 right now.They went from a multi media cable box first games second machine to a stripped down games only machine thats weaker for it. People are starting to realize that MS got lucky with the 360 when it came out first and cheaper because they are now showing you rheir true colors as a console manufacturer. ….amatuers. Sony stumbled last gen yet still came out on top. This launch on the current gen they fixed everything they did wrong last time.

TwinStripeUK

Small problem – it’s not going to work in a lot of cases…
You’re essentially looking at the same technology for the Playstation Now game streaming (which has already been flagged as ‘laggy’ for faster paced games by several reviewers) and then adding an additional overhead for the actual game control.

I certainly wouldn’t base it on Remote Play performance, as the overhead is likely going to be around double what’s required for that.

Probably okay for slower paced stuff, but not a realistic option for a shooter or other type of reaction game.

Mirimon

most ISP’s no longer offer anything less than 15-20 mb/s service….
This works on 3-5 megs just fine (fyi.. The FREE service you can get from Google fiber is 5 mb/s).. we’ve been online gaming, using voip, and skyping now since 56k/s service……pretty sure this will work just fine, especially since it is P2P..

Stacey Bright

First you are clearly thinking about download speeds only. Streaming something out to someone will rely completely on your upstream bandwidth. You’ve quoted the free google fiber (which is not everywhere) as 5mbps, but the upstream is actually 1mbps. Then there are people that are still only on DSL which has an upstream of say 768kbps. Even worse are those whose source of broadband comes in the form of Clear or some 4G hotspot service, which isn’t big on the upstream and very high in latency.

Mirimon

guess I am lucky, 98 up, 93 down, $15 bucks a month (the company hasn’t learned to throttle services (they are new to being an ISP and new to oc-256 at the same time)…..

but.. rather than possibly running out to some remote node and then back another direction to get to the guests house, it takes a more direct route in p2p.

also.. the host does the work, and simply sends the image, the guest need only send the data for i/o….data for i/o is VERY small….

Stacey Bright

You are lucky as that is exceptionally rare. It goes without saying that the host is doing the work, which is still a PS4. Like I said the host is going to need a decent upstream. Games will probably be streamed at 720p or less.

I’ve been playing around with Steam’s In-Home Streaming, which I’ve seen use 430+ mbits for 1080p. It works, but isn’t quite perfect with a gigabit connection. So I can imagine there being some difficulty doing this on a machine with less available power, with less available bandwidth, on connections with much higher latency.

Mirimon

the data needed to upstream from the ps4 host is similar to that needed to twitch stream, it really is, but without the added delay of a server redistributing the feed to multiple sources. The upstream on the guest is next to nothing.

The real issue, regardless of what it will take, is the internet structure in the states…. which is not standardized and simply patch-work…. a “Frankenet” if you will.. and it’s sad really.

John Doe

You are incredibly ignorant. You obviously haven’t used remote play. This wouldn’t add any additional overhead.

TwinStripeUK

Remote play is an entirely different technology (otherwise this feature would already have been available as long as Remote Play had been, right?).
RP is specifically designed to be scaled to a specific mobile profile; SP isn’t, and is therefore pushing a lot more data to the remote PS4.
And, as it’s peer to peer, you’re of course limited by whoever has the slower internet connection between the pair of you.
You also have to remember that you’re likely to be conducting an asynchronous connection (with the video streaming from the host machine via UDP for a quicker, but less reliable stream and the controller using TCP for a slower, but more reliable connection).
So just a fair warning not to expect too much from this.
And all that from somebody ‘incredibly ignorant’, as the pot said to the kettle…

Mordarkeen

Lets wait for it to happen before we judge what it will be like.

Mirimon

Update:
This is P2P gaming. Both parties are logged in under their own PSN ID’s. If the guest on the virtual “couch” likes the game, he can obtain it and his current progress from that shared game will be there waiting. Trophies will also apply to that person.

While PS Now has a higher recommended connectivity requirement than simple video streaming does, and functions pretty well (when other issues on our precarious internet infrastructure don’t interfere with it), Share Play will skip all the routing through the middle man, and likely perform better than PS Now.

Some limitations when active: same as playing any game on your console, suspend= friend can’t keep playing (which you would do if you wanted to watch se anime on crunchyroll or stream some HD movies..). Turn of the console and guest is cut off also (obviously).

Imo.. fantastic service here.. one friend gets the game, the other gets to enjoy it. Feel like some Reaper of Souls? find a friend who has it. Not sure about a title? try it out with a friend…

I actually feel a bit guilty using this.. like I am ripping off Sony…

I wonder.. Rent a movie, watch it, then “share” it with a friend?.. (I somehow think THAT won’t fly…)

Anyways, PS Now and Remote Play are fantastic, fast (connection dependent) and great features. Share Play is more than simply icing on the cake, it’s a whole new layer.

Ben Dover Kuntz

the ps3 share function have no time limit and you can still use your console when your friend test out the games you have… ps4 share function is just a huge step backward.

Mordarkeen

What are you talking about?

Ben Dover Kuntz

dont come here and act like a dumbass…

Josh101

Pretty interesting. I refrained from calling you a dumbass. But this proves that you are. The PS3 share feature is the same as PS4. You can sign into your account on someone else’s and they on your PS4 and play all their games, with no issue.

Ben Dover Kuntz

go away troll…

Sol Malus

much troll, so ignorant, bendovercunt

Fuck Africa

just pirate all the games on your ps4. you can do that now! what a loyal fan base sony has. first the psp, now this. love it.

Son of Liberty

I haven’t turn on my ps4 in weeks.

Mirimon

I haven’t had my left Arm for 5 years.. I suppose that makes ALL left arms pointless right????

Fuck Africa

That sucks kid. I have both arms and can jack off using both!

Mirimon

trolololol….. no way.
we all know you can barely reach it with just a thumb and forefinger, and that you can actually feel the ridges of your fingerprint with it…..lawl.. he calls that a “penis”….

Fuck Africa

chink

Fuck Africa

ok chink

Fuck Africa

nope. sorry chink

Zunalter

My apologies for not being able to know the joys of being left handed.

John Doe

Cool story bro…

Ben Dover Kuntz

fully understandable, the ps3 is way better. it have more games, free online gaming and dlna/mp3 support..

Mordarkeen

So dont buy a 4. Still doesnt make the xbone better.

Mordarkeen

Probably because you dont own one?

guest

When is HBOGO app coming for PS4…wasn’t it promised soon after the PS3 version and how long has it been…

John Doe

Patience…. do you have any other devices where you can watch that shit?

Fuck Africa

I can use it on my xBoner

Mordarkeen

What happened to the xbones entertainment division?

Fuck Africa

i got dat gamecast tho

QUINTISON

So where the external hdd support which is far more important than blacking out someone else’s ps4 so you can play a game I certainlly wouldn’t allow someone to free play a game while I couldn’t use my ps4….now if sony had serveral racks of ps4 systems and we went to sony’s ps4’s to play free try n buy that would impress me but I still need external hdd support most of all.

Mirimon

my external HDD works fine..

or are you talking about a very specific type of file you can’t open or transfer and just slam a generalization of it not supporting external at all just because you couldn’t do something obscure….

fyi, you CAN USE YOUR PS4…. play with them.. you just can’t turn it off (you can, but they won’t get to play anymore) or switch to playing bf4 while they play diablo 3…… (duh.. common sense…..).

Ben Dover Kuntz

it dont change much, the ps3 is still way better in everything…

* free online play
* support mp3,dlna,photos
* play music cds
* share function without time limit
* change themes
* ps3 got more games and they cost less
* ps+ is optional and not forced down your throat
* no ds4 blue light reflects from the tv screen
* ds3 battery time is longer

this is just some of the many things that is better… the ps4 is huge step backward…

Mordarkeen

Some of your points are pointless. Of course thePS3 has more games, its been out alot longer. Try not playing so close to your tv and there will be no glare. Who buys a playstation without PS+? What share function are you talking about? Your friends cant play a game that they do not own yet on the PS3 unless its a demo. Wouldnt you rather have the ability to try out a friends game you do not own yet and you know they will improve the process. The big thing you left out is power. The PS4 is alot more powerful than the 3. Dont get me wrong i still play Dark Souls 2 on the 3 but cant wait for Bloodborne on the 4.

Ben Dover Kuntz

well look who fell out of the dumbass tree and faceplanted on every branch. get the facts straight… ps+ is crap that is forced down your throat on the ps4, you cant play online without it. on the ps3 its a choice thank god for that. the ps3 share function have been on the ps3 from 2006 and sony put it there them selves, strange you havent heard about it. looks like you have eaten to much of the corporate hype and you have become a totally dumbass. if not your a xtwat and then you dont know, but i doubt it.

Mordarkeen

If you cant afford ps+ just say so…

Ben Dover Kuntz

money aint the problem, the problem starts when you dont want ps+. because thats when you cant get the full game experience out of your new 60 dollar game. they have put the online gaming that i have payed for already behind a fucking paywall… and there is no dedicated servers, its all p2p so i use my own bandwidth too. there is no reason what so ever for this ps+ paywall than fill their greedy…. but i guess your to dumbass to understand this… typical xtwat.

Mordarkeen

First of all i hate M$ and all their products. Secondly who has a ps3 or 4 without ps+? Its less than 5 bucks a month and backing up all your game saves alone is worth the price. If you dont like it go play xbone.

Ben Dover Kuntz

I HATE XBONE WITH A BURNING PASSION !!!1

Mordarkeen

Well at least we agree on something. I too like to own retail copies of games but ps+ gives you great free games that i wouldnt buy but will play for free. Dragons Crown is a good example.

Ben Dover Kuntz

dragons crown is a atlus game, and its definitive worth owning on disc that one…

Mordarkeen

So is the Souls series

Sol Malus

He’s just giving examples bro. Many, many games have been released on PS+, if you have them all, I don’t see how you have a problem spending 50 additional dollars to play online on PS4 when you spend thousands a year.

You say money isn’t the problem. You want to play online on the PS4, therefore you want +, because some games require + to play some features.

Go buy +, go buy a PS4, and enjoy your fucking gaming experience that has no limits when it comes to money concerns.

Mirimon

Online gaming as a whole is not behind a wall…. some games and some features require plus, but again, to be a ps owner with internet and not spend the 14 bucks a year to get ps+, which pays you back in 1500 a year in content js a shame.

Destiny for example.. you can play online, meet people do all that, but strikes and pvp are the only parts requiring ps+.

To be honest, sony has been handing out what could be much needdd profit. As customers we have been taking them for granted, felt nice for us, but ultimately is bad for everybody, users, sony, developers alike.

Ben Dover Kuntz

i dont like digital i like to own my games. so i go out and buy them on disc, i dont sit at home and dwindle my thumbs and wait for ps+ digital free rental games. ps+ is useless i have no usage for it at all.. i only want to get to fully experience the games i pay 60 dollars for and that include the online part that i have already payed for.

Mirimon

When you buy a game, it does not come with “online” built into it.. it just doesn’t.

Go ahead, come september go buy destiny hard copy. It is a 100% online game, yet ps+ is not required. That is just one of several examples.

Also.. did you get your jnternet for free? What about all that electricity? I’m sure those are covered under the price of your new game right??

Your argument is ridiculous, regardless of what system you prefer.

Sol Malus

Are you saying it’s a bad choice even on PS3?

I had PS+ before it was required for SOME PS4 games.

Fuck Africa

lol at your adopted face

Mirimon

*ps+ is not mandatory, nor “shoved down your throat”. On top of that, if you own vita, or ps3, or p4, ps+ is worth far more than the price the ask, and default is still cheaper than xbl, but with far more features and value.

*Ps3 games are the same price, and this is all up to the publisher. They do have more games, and they should after nearly a decade on the market vs a few months….

*all that media playback is coming. The original ps3 did not support all the formats it does today nor did it have as many features (excluding optional os capability).

*ds4 light… you can dim, even black it out. Unless the tv is off its hardly an issue, also, had you taken the time to set up your system properly it is not noticeable even with the screen off.

*battery life.. yes, the ds3 last about 1 hour longer, and this is not due to thw ds4 having a light (4mw led on bright is nothing on drain), it will burn faster because of the changes to the vibration system, which is greater distributed with more motors capable of simulating shofts in weight from center of gravity. It still lasts years, and is less than 4 bucks to replace (you will likely have worn a hole through your controller and broken sticks before needing a battery).

When it comes to being a video playback device, yes, the ps3 beats all platforms on the market right now. It took a decade of changes to make it so.
Things are not so one sided.

Ben Dover Kuntz

so how can i play my ps4 games online if ps+ is not mandatory?.. please explain… and dont sugar coat it.

Mirimon

It isn’t mandatory at all. Only games that use psn and ps routing and services require ps+ for online multiplayer. This excludes any titles with su scription services of their own, ftp titles, and indies. It is up to the publishers of new games what features, if any, require ps+.

To say that it is required for everything or to go online at all is simply wrong.

Ben Dover Kuntz

so when i go out and buy me a new game for 60 dollar (that include the online, i also payed for) i come home and dont have to pay anymore. i can just put in the disc and get the full game experience with sp and online gaming… BACUSE THATS NOT HOW IT FUCKING WORK TODAY ON THE PS4… AND DONT COME HERE AND SAY ITS UP TO THE PUBLISHER, THATS CRAP TALK. SONY PUT THE PAYWALL THERE NOT THE PUBLISHERS. SONY IS GREEDY SON OF A BIATCHES. THEY RUIN MY GAMING AND FORCE PS+ DOWN MY THROAT. SO 60 DOLLARS AINT ENOUGH I HAVE TO PAY MORE NOAW. IM SERIOUS PISSED OFF! THAT PS4 IS FOR SURE GOING BACKWARD IN TO THE FUTURE WITH PS+ AND CRAP SHAREING FUNCTION. THE PS3 IS WAY BETTER!

Mordarkeen

If you cant see the value that ps+ gives you for that minimal price then you are one of the very few. I also did not get it up until about 2 years ago when my original fat ps3 was broken and i lost 100s of hours of gameplay and top level characters on Demon and Dark Souls. Had i bought plus sooner i would have lost nothing. That will never happen again.

Ben Dover Kuntz

okay im calmed down now……

that game save protection is just ass doing by the developers. but there are idiots out there that gotta try cheat. so i understand it at some point why they do it. but if its sp and not online then its no excuse. i think sony should give away 150mb of free space for saves for people that didnt have ps+. and you could have gotten more space if you payed for ps+… its just more fair doing it like that… i remember sony claimed they was for choices, but choices have gone out the windows by the look of it. i dont t like ps+ being enforced on me. the gaming hobby is more than enough expensive as it is…

Sol Malus

Expensive? Shall we compare the price of the PS3 at launch to the PS4 at launch?

The PS3 was a whole $200 MORE. That’s 4 years of + right there, except + wasn’t even a thing back then.

I’d say $450 for a PS4 and a year of + is AMAZING as compared to what the PS3 offered for $600 7 years ago.

Mirimon

Screaming isn’t going to make your imagination a reality. Choose to ignore the facts clearly pointed out to you or not, your issue seems to be ignorance.

Fuck Africa

LOL at the hacker that is playing pirated games on the PS4. This is worse than when the PSP community circle jerked pirated games!

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