As I understand it, all the colonies really wanted in the years leading up to the Revolutionary War was representation in Parliament. Wouldn't GB have been better off to just grant this request instead of forcing the hand of the colonies to move for independence?

The The

RE: Why did Great Britain have the US become its own country instead of just giving it representation in Parliament?4/14/2018 5:01PM - in reply to Why, George?

Massive countries are impossible to manage. Especially of oceans, and other countries, separate them. History has proven this over, and over, again, and again. The USA is likely to split into two, maybe more, parts in the future. More likely due to political division, but size also matters a lot.

Dur

RE: Why did Great Britain have the US become its own country instead of just giving it representation in Parliament?4/14/2018 5:58PM - in reply to Why, George?

Hindsight it's easy. But looking forward George was worried about his entire empire asking for more rights.

The English viewed Americans like New York elite view Oklahoma and Ohio. They thought the backwards country bumpkins didn't know what was good for them.

With the long communication chain, I think he also underestimated loyalist support.

The thing I really don't understand is why Canada didn't bail the empire during the War of 1812. It's especially annoying when Canadians say they won the war of 1812 when 1. They weren't a nation yet, and 2. They were still British, and they lost.

BlimeyMate

RE: Why did Great Britain have the US become its own country instead of just giving it representation in Parliament?4/14/2018 6:20PM - in reply to Dur

Hindsight it's easy. But looking forward George was worried about his entire empire asking for more rights.

The English viewed Americans like New York elite view Oklahoma and Ohio. They thought the backwards country bumpkins didn't know what was good for them.

With the long communication chain, I think he also underestimated loyalist support.

The thing I really don't understand is why Canada didn't bail the empire during the War of 1812. It's especially annoying when Canadians say they won the war of 1812 when 1. They weren't a nation yet, and 2. They were still British, and they lost.

I dunno but my Great-Grandpa always wondered why England sat on their hands during WWII and didn't provide soldiers for offensive operations.

WRONG.

American didn't want to have anything to do with WW2. They saw it as a foreign war, and that it had nothing to do with them. FDR begged congress over and over again hat america had to be part of the war. Winston Churchhill told america that England was their first line of defense, and if Germany were to get past them, then america would be destroyed. Plus it was rumored that Germany had made a deal with Mexico, that if they were to help Germany take down the americans later on, he would give them all of America.

Winston Chruchill finally convinced the americans to send weapons and machinery to help with the war, and after Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, that is when America physical joined the war.

The biggest heroes of WW2 was China and England: China, even though they weren't as strong as they are now, never allowed Japan to conquer their country. That war was the war that started WW2. Had japan conquered China, then that region would have been huge territory for japan, germany, spain and Italy to work out of. They would have taken over Asia.

England, IN THEIR FINEST HOUR, never folded. The people of england didn't get scared, an element that Hitler underestimated. Also, England controlled the seas with their brilliant Navy( one that american emulated). That is what kept England strong, and Hitler stupidly tried to attack Russia at the same time that he was attacking England.

You really need to study WW2.

Scorpion_runnerregistered

RE: Why did Great Britain have the US become its own country instead of just giving it representation in Parliament?4/14/2018 8:35PM - in reply to Why, George?

Well, the US didn't just become its own country. The British did try to keep them as colony, but lost.

The British basically wanted to control and own regions, nothing more. They were not trying to extend Great Britain. It was the same with other colonies.

Also, america is so different than the other colonies that the British owned. There is no reflection or residue of any form that we used to be a british colony. The queen is still head of state of Canada and Australia, and you can still see that british connection. But nothing english carried over in america, not the accent, not the culture, nothing. The only way you would know that we used to be an english colony is by reading about it.

Vilna is our Jerusalem

RE: Why did Great Britain have the US become its own country instead of just giving it representation in Parliament?4/14/2018 10:12PM - in reply to Scorpion_runner

I dunno but my Great-Grandpa always wondered why England sat on their hands during WWII and didn't provide soldiers for offensive operations.

WRONG.

American didn't want to have anything to do with WW2. They saw it as a foreign war, and that it had nothing to do with them. FDR begged congress over and over again hat america had to be part of the war. Winston Churchhill told america that England was their first line of defense, and if Germany were to get past them, then america would be destroyed. Plus it was rumored that Germany had made a deal with Mexico, that if they were to help Germany take down the americans later on, he would give them all of America.

Winston Chruchill finally convinced the americans to send weapons and machinery to help with the war, and after Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, that is when America physical joined the war.

The biggest heroes of WW2 was China and England: China, even though they weren't as strong as they are now, never allowed Japan to conquer their country. That war was the war that started WW2. Had japan conquered China, then that region would have been huge territory for japan, germany, spain and Italy to work out of. They would have taken over Asia.

England, IN THEIR FINEST HOUR, never folded. The people of england didn't get scared, an element that Hitler underestimated. Also, England controlled the seas with their brilliant Navy( one that american emulated). That is what kept England strong, and Hitler stupidly tried to attack Russia at the same time that he was attacking England.

You really need to study WW2.

The US Won WWII.
Japan freed Asia from American, European, and Russian imperialism as was their stated goal.
Britain, France, Italy, Pope did nothing to help the US defeat Germany.
Instead they helped Germany exile us Jews to Palestine.
We want back into Europe now.

Lesregistered

RE: Why did Great Britain have the US become its own country instead of just giving it representation in Parliament?4/15/2018 12:11AM - in reply to Scorpion_runner

Well, the US didn't just become its own country. The British did try to keep them as colony, but lost.

The British basically wanted to control and own regions, nothing more. They were not trying to extend Great Britain. It was the same with other colonies.

Also, america is so different than the other colonies that the British owned. There is no reflection or residue of any form that we used to be a british colony. The queen is still head of state of Canada and Australia, and you can still see that british connection. But nothing english carried over in america, not the accent, not the culture, nothing. The only way you would know that we used to be an english colony is by reading about it.

Except the national anthem, whose melody was taken from an English social club song.

World History buff

RE: Why did Great Britain have the US become its own country instead of just giving it representation in Parliament?4/15/2018 12:37AM - in reply to Why, George?

From what I read, GB was not a country when their refugees landed at Jamestown and Plymouth Rock. GB was a island with primitive human-like beasts, tree people, cave dwellers, and fully naked barbarians. Granted 2-3% of the population was civilized and could read the Holy Bible. The remainder sadly lived sordid, pitiful, animalistic lives. Infant mortality was 98%. Few lived until puberty. GB was an island of children.

History Lord

RE: Why did Great Britain have the US become its own country instead of just giving it representation in Parliament?4/15/2018 1:38AM - in reply to Vilna is our Jerusalem

I dunno but my Great-Grandpa always wondered why England sat on their hands during WWII and didn't provide soldiers for offensive operations.

WRONG.

American didn't want to have anything to do with WW2. They saw it as a foreign war, and that it had nothing to do with them. FDR begged congress over and over again hat america had to be part of the war. Winston Churchhill told america that England was their first line of defense, and if Germany were to get past them, then america would be destroyed. Plus it was rumored that Germany had made a deal with Mexico, that if they were to help Germany take down the americans later on, he would give them all of America.

Winston Chruchill finally convinced the americans to send weapons and machinery to help with the war, and after Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, that is when America physical joined the war.

The biggest heroes of WW2 was China and England: China, even though they weren't as strong as they are now, never allowed Japan to conquer their country. That war was the war that started WW2. Had japan conquered China, then that region would have been huge territory for japan, germany, spain and Italy to work out of. They would have taken over Asia.

England, IN THEIR FINEST HOUR, never folded. The people of england didn't get scared, an element that Hitler underestimated. Also, England controlled the seas with their brilliant Navy( one that american emulated). That is what kept England strong, and Hitler stupidly tried to attack Russia at the same time that he was attacking England.

You really need to study WW2.

The US Won WWII.
Japan freed Asia from American, European, and Russian imperialism as was their stated goal.
Britain, France, Italy, Pope did nothing to help the US defeat Germany.
Instead they helped Germany exile us Jews to Palestine.
We want back into Europe now.

Wow. Some serious history lessons needed across the board.

The UK and US certainly tied up Axis resources, and the US did a great job of deafeating the Japanese whilst the Chinese and British did a good job of tying up Japanese forces. However, the European theatre was won by Russia. Russia defeated Germany. They would have done this without lend lease too. Look at the detail of the Russian campaign specifically in terms of scale and you’ll understand. Until then stop being hysterically patriotic.

Flounderregistered

RE: Why did Great Britain have the US become its own country instead of just giving it representation in Parliament?4/15/2018 1:47AM - in reply to Why, George?