Damn dirty hydras. Their militancy is false! When soldiers salute, you salute them back! I bet they don't even allow the besieged to surrender with their arms, or to wait their turn on the firing line.

Theclans wrote:Damn dirty hydras. Their militancy is false! When soldiers salute, you salute them back! I bet they don't even allow the besieged to surrender with their arms, or to wait their turn on the firing line.

Admittedly they wouldn't recognize that as a salute, nor would they be very much inclined to accept aliens as soldiers of any comparison to themselves, assuming of course that they accepted the Yuxun as soldiers and not just a rival band of pirates to the other Yuxun group.

EDIT: As well they would only likely conform to alien expectations of treatment if it necessary.

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Theclans wrote:Damn dirty hydras. Their militancy is false! When soldiers salute, you salute them back! I bet they don't even allow the besieged to surrender with their arms, or to wait their turn on the firing line.

Admittedly they wouldn't recognize that as a salute, nor would they be very much inclined to accept aliens as soldiers of any comparison to themselves, assuming of course that they accepted the Yuxun as soldiers and not just a rival band of pirates to the other Yuxun group.

EDIT: As well they would only likely conform to alien expectations of treatment if it necessary.

They ought to recognize the difference between hodge podge atmo suits and old falling apart gear and tacked on hull fittings vs sleek clean ship architecture and uniformity.

Undoubtedly so, they fully recognize the difference in equipment or such. Firstly this does not guarantee that they are not better equipped or more successful pirates.

Putting that aside, they would not accept that the difference in equipment showing a difference in motives or morals. If anything they view the sleek and clean Yuxun as a larger threat. One that may be more professional pirates, another empire, or some other unforeseen threat. The first group, the pirates, ended up charging ahead fighting two then three parties at once and dying. The second group on the other hand does much of the same stuff as the Xengari, waiting watching, minimum of necessary force so as to not give away capabilities or unnecessarily spend resources. Essentially another smart, and thus dangerous, player in the game. Where the Humans are obviously less advanced, not as aggressive and much more prone to show their cards, the Pirates blindly and stupidly attacked with inferior equipment, the actual Yuxun Military acts similar to the Xengari, and that terrifies them. Raising the threat and danger perceived by the Xengari.

They can clearly realize that they are different but will not assume that difference in equipment and ability does present a change in malice. As well due to the similarities between them they are likely to lump them together either as secretly working together or as being part of the same dangerous species. Xengari could also blame the second group Yuxun for not "taking care of" the Pirates before they posed a threat.

The Xengari aren't going to be fair or logical, they will likely find a way to become enemies, mostly because of their Militarism combined with Xenophobia. The only way to protect yourself is defeat and conquer others, as well you can never trust aliens, they are out only for themselves as they know too the only way to protect themselves. For the Xengari, the galaxy is a rapidly shifting battleground with the fate species survival threatened at every corner. There is a reason why one of their cheers is 'For the Race!'.

@Joe Joerson wrote:The second group on the other hand does much of the same stuff as the Xengari, waiting watching, minimum of necessary force so as to not give away capabilities or unnecessarily spend resources. Essentially another smart, and thus dangerous, player in the game. Where the Humans are obviously less advanced, not as aggressive and much more prone to show their cards, the Pirates blindly and stupidly attacked with inferior equipment, the actual Yuxun Military acts similar to the Xengari, and that terrifies them. Raising the threat and danger perceived by the Xengari.

I got really excited at first like "Oh my god, they're afraid!" Then I realized.... wait... They're Xenophobes. All I have to do to spook them is to move into low income housing.

Theclans wrote:I got really excited at first like "Oh my god, they're afraid!" Then I realized.... wait... They're Xenophobes. All I have to do to spook them is to move into low income housing.

Well there that and to steal the definition of Xenophobe from the Stellaris wiki...

Stellaris Wiki wrote:The stakes could not be higher as we reach into the vast uncharted expanses of the galaxy, for we are gambling with the very survival of our species! Never trust the alien; its false smile hides an unknowable mind...

The whole point is that they are ignorant, through their beliefs no matter what information they receive, of the motives and plans of Aliens. Always ignorant and well...

So they have easily reached fear, only two steps to go.

@Vagrant Hero wrote:It's quite beautiful when you manage to befriend Xenophobes in Stellaris. You get messages about how, when they converse with you, they almost forget you are xeno scum. Almost.

I feel like through the Xengari everyone can have that beautiful moment as well.

Theclans wrote:I think they would be more comfortable if every xeno went through the necessary branding to become Sanctioned Xenos and to be escorted by their native handlers at all times.

Seriously through, at this point, I doubt that could happen. Going by our bios, the Grand Guild of Earad has a small, pretty skilled fleet of spaceships, while the Swarms have just recently started creating a fleet, which is divided between the different factions, and is a somewhat new concept to them from what I can see.

@Zuko Darkborn wrote:Seriously through, at this point, I doubt that could happen. Going by our bios, the Grand Guild of Earad has a small, pretty skilled fleet of spaceships, while the Swarms have just recently started creating a fleet, which is divided between the different factions, and is a somewhat new concept to them from what I can see.

If it is a land battle, it would be hard top predict what would happen. On one hand, he has a much larger and better army, but even if they can swim very well, it doesn't look he has the naval fleet to support them (which he in the first place must get over there, meaning probably winning in space). Fight me underwater, and bam. You could be surprised how long the Eogons could stall them (while millions on the surface are being eaten). On the other hand, an Eogon invasion would be... Dealt with the same way as flies.

A theoretical Yuxu invasion of Earad would consist of capturing and holding the islands and use air power as troop transports until they can figure the whole water thing out. Orbital bombardment would cease once troops are on the ground and they see that kinetic shells sent from orbit can cause tsunamis if they miss and hit the ocean. The would be highly susceptible to being cut off from supplies, starved, and not to mention uncomfortable (and possibly covered in fungus) from prolonged exposure to so much humidity.

Let us not forget Epsilon Home, the Swarm is already experimenting with solutions to the underwater problem.

Also it is not inconcievable that they let other species be, the incident with the Eogon was mostly because of poor handling of the rather primitive swamlings as well as an encroachment upon their space. They are not out after eating all other species but simply aquiring more living space for their hives and are currently quite busy killing one Another to start bother about some aliens that they do not even know where they live.

Well yes but the amount of causalities that they take may be replenished, but only over a large enough period of time. This great decrease in total population only bodes ill for when they run into others, or when others run into them. With no easy way to communicate between most species and the Swarm, and the Swarm's, unusual, eating habits, contact might not go so well. So with a depleted population base and potentially hostile relations with many species, some witch may have had larger populations to begin with, does not seem to end in happy times for the Swarm.

As well the war doesn't seem as though it is likely to end quickly with Gamma Swarm seemingly trying to stop Unification. This seems like a long, very long and bloody war. They may be replenished but other species may out colonize them as they devote resources towards the war effort. It has the chance to be very dangerous for the Swarm as a whole as if other species out colonize them, they can then out produce, out tech and out populate them given enough time.

Assuming that war doesn't erupt between other empires (unlikely) the Swarm is very likely doomed. However if war does erupt their chances depend on the scale, length, and brutality of such a war.

Not too long I think, but yes this will hit them very hard. I also wouldn't say that Gamma Swarm want's to stop unification any more than the others, it is just that the whole "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" apllies between them and Beta Swarm right about now. If Beta Home fell then it would be just a matter of time until Gamma Home did so as well as then Alfa Swarm would have more Worlds, more troops, more of everything really. thus it was more prudent to strike them when they were vulnerable and use skirmish tactics until they feel that they have a large enough advantage to defeat them head on.

@Caspoi wrote:Not too long I think, but yes this will hit them very hard. I also wouldn't say that Gamma Swarm want's to stop unification any more than the others, it is just that the whole "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" apllies between them and Beta Swarm right about now. If Beta Home fell then it would be just a matter of time until Gamma Home did so as well as then Alfa Swarm would have more Worlds, more troops, more of everything really. thus it was more prudent to strike them when they were vulnerable and use skirmish tactics until they feel that they have a large enough advantage to defeat them head on.

Well from the position of weakness Gamma Swarm is in, effectively it cannot unite the swarms. Only attempt to keep them apart and thus able to fight whichever side is winning until a balance is reached. Their best hope is stalemate. Unless the other Swarms were foolish enough to keep sending troops to the meat grinder until they were left with heavily depopulated worlds that is. Though Alfa Swarm is likely going to be their enemy for a long time as there was a large population drain of the other swarms in addition to losing many resources, Alfa Swarm however has a much larger pool of resource to draw from, until either Alfa swarm is significantly depopulated or otherwise deprived of accessing those resources all the other Swarms will have to work together if they hope to survive. Even with the precursor warship they can only hold on for so long. It can only be in one place at a time. If Alfa Swarm was Not united against then it could easily take the other squabbling worlds or continue extensive colonization. Even if Gamma Swarm can destroy an entire war fleet of Alfa Swarm, Alfa Swarm can easily have two or more making them unable to defeat them all. Gamma Swarm just doesn't really have the resources to feasibly take control of the worlds under wartime conditions.

This entire situation may become even more destabilized. The migrant traders have arrived. Now, I know what you're all thinking "You can't reason with a race of bugs, much less trade with them. You're insane." Well, to the FSIH, while some markets are easier to get into than others, no market is truly impenetrable.