@elbanditoroso@livelaughlove21 So you support letting people get away with murder (if that’s what happend) just so long as they’ve managed to avoid getting caught for long enough? Otherwise, I don’t see how you can say it doesn’t matter whether or not she killed him.

@elbanditoroso I said “if” because, as stated in my first response, I don’t think she pulled the trigger. I think she was a factor, but not necessarily to the point of criminality.

Your answer, however, suggests that you don’t care whether or not Cobain was murdered. By saying “who cares?” and asking what difference it could make now, you implicitly state that Love should be allowed to get away with murder if it turns out she killed him and that we should not be troubled by this possibility even if it were proven to be true.

That strikes me as unreasonable, and the irrationality of it is in no way ameliorated by pointing out other instances of the justice system failing. That the system makes mistakes does not show that we should be unconcerned about when it fails. That something is the case, after all, doesn’t mean that it should be the case. Indeed, such reasoning would be clearly fallacious.

@livelaughlove21 There’s an important difference between saying “who cares?” and saying “it’s too late to do anything about it.” The latter is just a statement of real world practicalities. The former implies a moral claim about the whether or not it matters that someone might have been murdered. I think it does matter whether or not Cobain was murdered, even if Love would never go to prison for it.

@SavoirFaire I didn’t say “it doesn’t matter,” I said, “who cares?” The implication being, of course, that I don’t. I don’t like to waste my time speculating about something when nothing will come of it. It was almost 20 years ago. Saying the murder investigation is on the back burner would be an understatement.

@livelaughlove21 I know you said “who cares?” I even quoted you quite explicitly. The point is that asking “who cares?” carries with it an implication: that it doesn’t matter. It’s one thing to not be interested, another to think it doesn’t matter. If all you meant is that you aren’t interested, then “who cares?” was not the proper way to express it.

I used to drive myself nuts thinking about this and had to stop trying to figure it out. The book Who Killed Kurt Cobain? had me convinced at least that he did not kill himself, but I did not read it with an adult brain, so I might evaluate the book and its evidence differently now.

@livelaughlove21 It’s not about what I find appropriate. It’s about what makes sense in a communicative atmosphere. You’re free to have your own private language for talking to yourself, but words mean things when said to others in a public setting. If you don’t mean to communicate something, don’t use the words that express it.

My message is that I don’t care if he was murdered or if he killed himself. I don’t know how much clearer I could’ve been. You can take it any way you like. My reasons for saying what I did include my belief that concerning myself with how he actually died will change nothing and that, if no one has been convicted of this crime in the last 20 years, then it’s a safe bet that no one ever will. Therefore, I don’t care. I said that I don’t care and I meant that I don’t care. Simple as that.

I made no reference as to if it matters in the grand scheme of things. In Kurt’s case, it doesn’t matter to me. In conclusion, I don’t care and it doesn’t matter to me in this particular case.

@livelaughlove21 I haven’t said anything about the grand scheme of things. Surely it should matter to any morally good person if someone was murdered. If someone could prove to you that he was murdered, would it matter to you? If so, then you care. But caring doesn’t entail being willing to actively think about it or pursue the issue. That is why I have suggested that you care, but are not interested. Given how much you’re letting this bother you, it really so hard to say “you’re right, I meant I’m not interested in thinking about it”?

@SavoirFaire Is there really a difference between not caring and not being interested? Surely the distinction to be made is that between not caring about the murder and not caring about the investigation. I think @livelaughlove21 was saying that she doesn’t care about the investigation.

@glacial I suppose that would also be fine, so long as we do not understand not caring about the investigation to include not caring whether or not it turns up evidence of murder. Regardless, that is not what was said. I’m happy to acknowledge clarification, but so far I’ve only seen heel-digging.

@SavoirFaire Yes, it is hard to say “you’re right” when I don’t believe you are. I actually do mean that I don’t care – if I’m not a “morally good” person for that, so be it. I care about Kurt’s death about as much as I care about the numerous people that I don’t know that died on the same day. It’s a shame they died, but I don’t think much about them. Kurt wasn’t exactly my buddy – I was 3 years old when he died. Should I care whether he was murdered or killed himself? If so, I’d love to know why his potential murder is more important than the endless number of unknown people that may or may not have been killed.

I care about murder and justice, yes, but that wasn’t the question.

And I have to say that, as @glacial stated, I don’t see much of a difference between not caring and not being interested. I think there’s a bigger difference between “I don’t care” and “it doesn’t matter.”

So, no, I’m not going to tell you you’re right just to end the conversation, no matter how silly I think it is that you care this much about my choice of words and whether or not I’m interested or care about Kurt’s possible murder.