Cherishing M&L Evans #712: "Thru two timelines, three seasons, and now 19 years; We still share the dream!"

Welcome to the #712Max&Liz EvansAppreciation Thread!

▌I could feel everything he was feeling... I saw me as he saw me, and the amazing thing was ... ... in his eyes, I was beautiful. ~ Liz▌I didn't just see what you saw...I felt what you felt..when you saw me. And I never thought anyone could really..ever feel that way about me. ~ Max

Hi everyone! I don’t know if you all know this,
but the Cherishing Max & Liz thread was the very first shipper thread in all of Fan Forum!
I used to think the Dawson and Joey shipper thread on the Dawson’s Creek board was the very first shipper thread here,
but the person who started that thread actually got the idea from this thread,
so you Max and Liz fans (and I consider myself to be a Max and Liz fan)
started a tradition of expressing your love and support for your favorite couple
that has been copied on almost every board here, so bravo to all of you!
I’m glad to see that so many people still post on this thread.

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"There couldn't have been a better way to end the series.
The talented young cast make the most of their moments,
with Behr and Appleby especially strong as the starcrossed lovers Max and Liz. When the two look at each other across the room
during a moment of great danger,
their look is so full of love that the moment is one that seems destined
from the very first episode when Max saved Liz's life and we discovered how much he'd always loved her.
And that's what this series was really about"
~Kathie Huddleston, SciFiWeekly

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♥ ❝Quotes from Cast&Crew on Max&Liz (Jason and Shiri)❞ ♥

~~~~~~~~~Who is your favorite Roswell character and why?Ron Moore: I'm still in love with all of them.
But I will say that I find the Liz/Max relationship to be the heart and soul of the series.
I think that both Shiri Appleby and Jason Behr are tremendous talents
and I never get tired of watching them on camera. - Ronald D. Moore, co-executive producer and writer - from "Ron Moore Q&A"▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

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"It was more about... without you i couldn't become the person i am now.
And I think that throughout the season no matter what has happened.. good or bad..
it made these people who they are. i think that's the way it is with life.
That choices that we make in our lives and the people that we know help us,
in one way or another, be the people we are.
And that moment he was thanking her for helping him open his eyes to a completely different world.
She's a sane voice, some sort of reasoning.The person that he trusts the most is Liz who knows him better, I think, than anybody" - Jason Behr (about the last scene from A Roswell Christmas Carol)▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

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"The Max-Liz connection works so well, as is so popular with "Roswell" fans,
because, in Moore's opinion, "It's very romantic in the classic sense of the word.
Max is a young man from another planet, with secrets. He saved her life in the first episode,
and they became soulmates across time and space. It's a classic set-up.
Beyond that, the appeal of their relationship has a great deal to do with the chemistry between Shiri Appleby and Jason Behr." - Ron Moore, co-executive producer & writer Ron Moore talks Roswell in Dec Starlog.▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

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"The episodes that I have really found have worked in that way are the pilot episode,
which works really well because that’s really, to me, Romeo and Juliet.
It’s really about two people meeting and falling in love, but not being able to be together, and I think it grabs you in that way." - Jason Katims, executive producer and creator talks about Roswell episodes
that he thinks is a real top television moment.▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

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"Heart and Soul of Roswell, I think that Jason [Katims] would share this opinion, has always been the relationship between Max and Liz.
That's where the plot begins. He saved her life and he exposes himself at the same time.
The love between those two characters is fundamental to the show's success. - Ron Moore, Roswell season 2 DVD, Ask Not commentary▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

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"When we did this scene you just kind of expect that this scene's going to be great. You know it's gonna be great because their chemistry is so good together
but then watching it a few years later and seeing how good they are together,
you know that doesn’t come off - It's not that easy for that to happen. When you have chemistry... we were very lucky with the two of them,
what great chemistry the two of them have together on the screen.
For three years they could still do a scene like that and could still kinda get you. That’s pretty amazing."- Jason Katims, graduation commentary of the proposal scene▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

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"I thought he was an amazing choice for Max. He really does have that intensity — just the way he looks at Liz — and you feel the longing.
I always felt that Max was cautious, responsible and a good person, but with all this bubbling underneath.
I think he really conveys that, which is hard to do,because it's all internal." - Melinda Metz (Soap Opera Weekly)▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

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"I love that! He's a kid! He's a kid, he doesn't care about his "destiny",
he's not captain Kirk. He doesn't care about his unseen planet he just found out about.
What he cares about is a very human thing. He cares about this girl. He loves her and she loves him. It's the world to him!
That's what is primary in his mind.
And I think that's what the show is about. That's what brings people to this show is this strong love between them" - Ronald Moore about the "I'm coming for you Liz" scene- Ask Not commentary▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

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"That moment to me seems like a transcendent moment. It's the gift he gives to her. It's him thanking her for being there for him and being a friend.
And it's not a moment about them getting back together as a boyfriend and girlfriend. It's beyond that(...) he's able to go to her even with everything that they've been through" - Jason Katims - A Roswell Christmas Carol commentary of the "I believe in you" scene ▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

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"The moment you look at Shiri you know why Max is in love with her: she was so REAL" - Thania St. John- The Balance commentary▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

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"And then enter Liz. And you know we're playing. One of the great things about season two was playing Max chasing Liz.
You know I thought that was a really fun thing.
I think it really said a lot about his feelings for her. That he wasn't willing to give it up
and that, you know, you were waiting for her resolve to weaken and hoping she's gonna go back into his arms." - Ronald Moore about the "I'm coming for you Liz" scene; Ask Not commentary▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

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"We're going to play things a little lighter in some instances.
But the relationships are still going to carry forward, because they are the heart and soul of the show. The Liz-Max relationship is front and center, right from the first episode." - Ronald Moore's interview▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

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"People will go to any length if they love someone..."
-- These two people. They weren't acting at this point. This was real stuff."
- David Nutter, Blood Brother's commentary ▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

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"Look at how great these two are together. Romeo and Juliet" - David Nutter - Secrets and Lies commentary▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

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"I love the music in this episode--especially the love theme between Max and Liz. This was just magical stuff
and I think...I know that with the great combination of Snuffy Walden and Joe Williams...
I think there was a real great musical fanatic that really helped, I think, bond these two characters
and also get a sense of sadness because of the fact that they can never ultimately be together.
I think it pulls the audience in even more..." - David Nutter▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

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"and here it comes. That's the moment where they know in their hearts that they're in love with each other.
They've never said it. He doesn't actually say it now either.
But what he's telling her is 'I'm breaking up with you because I'm in love with you'
- and the pain in her heart right now is making her angry yet she understands.
But she's still so alone when he walks down that ladder...
and we know that they belong together and they're in love
and what Max is doing right now is for the good of both of them.
And half way through our first season we've broken them up
and yet we've completely allowed them to profess their love for each other at the same time.
We've given ourselves more fodder for the back half of the season because the love story really needed a wrench thrown into it. We wanted to see what it was like for them to be so happy so that we would know ultimately
what they needed to search for and find and live through the pain to get there again. - Thania St. John- The Balance commentary, last scene when M&L broke up▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

~~~~~~~~~Q: My question is about the amazing looks you give Max (Jason) during your scenes together.
What are you thinking or what experiences do you draw from for those steamy eyes you have?
A: (Shiri Appleby): While Jason and I are looking into each other's eyes
I just think about the most pure love possible because their relationship is based strictly on the heart.
What they share is what I someday hope to find.- Shiri Appleby, Fandemonium Q & A▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

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“He is absolutely wonderful,” raves Appleby. “A very gracious gentleman. We have become very good friends and I really admire him.
He really holds my hand through a lot of this stuff. He’s a very down-to-Earth and great guy.”- Xpos magazine #42 interview Jason Behr / Shiri Appleby - Roswell▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

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"Unlike some actors who insist they can play a convincing love scene with someone they hate, Behr, who claims to have a natural rapport with Appleby,
feels a friendly chemistry is essential.
"I mean, there's only so far that the acting can take you if you're looking into someone's eyes
and you don't want to be in their presence," he says.- Jason Behr Copes With Teenage Alienation ▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

~~~~~~~~~Q: This season you had some heavy make-out scenes with your co-star, Shiri Appleby. What are those like to shoot?
A:"It's always an odd thing,
but Shiri and I have gotten to know each other so well over the last nine months
that there's nothing uncomfortable about it."- Jason Behr, antarians.com▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

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"If I may be honest, I like older women and Shiri is 5 years younger than me.
But I must confess that I had to go sit down
when I saw a pic of Shiri where she looked amazingly like Audrey Hepburn!
As a child I must have watched Breakfast at Tiffany's like a 100 times.
I had all those years a major crush on that actress.Shiri does look amazingly like my ideal woman."- Jason Behr▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

~~~~~~~~~Q: What made you want to be on 'Roswell', besides the fact that it was a major gig?
A: When I first read the script I immediately understood what they were going for
- the mystery, the suspense, the relationships,the unrequited love story.I related to Max's search for the truth about himself, about life, about his place in this world, which I think everybody goes through."Q: Your character's a virgin, right?
A: "Oh yeah. The first time he's ever kissed somebody was when he kissed Liz
and they had such an intense connection.I can't imagine what would happen if they ever had sex!"- Jason Behr; Behring It All, teenmovieline.com; Star, October 18, 2000▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

~~~~~~~~~Q: What is going to happen with you and Liz? Any hints, please, please, pretty please?
Jason Behr: I'm not exactly sure what's going to happen with Liz.
We've been -- we've been exploring that relationship for, like, the first part of the year basically,
just trying to -- any relationship you get into is complicated,
especially that of what you think is supposed to be that true love,
that one special person.And we've been slowly but surely allowing them to get closer and closer and closer.
But just -- it's like Murphy's Law. When things start to get just at that moment of being perfect,
something is going to happen.
I don't know exactly what that is. But right now Liz and Max are very, very close and
very much happy together, regardless of the circumstances they're in.- Jason Behr; AOL Live!, April 17, 2000▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

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"I felt like Jason Behr and I had such a unique chemistry.
He just walked in and we started reading together, it was just there"- Shiri Appleby; Lula Magazine Interview▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

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“Shiri's on-screen chemistry with Jason makes Liz's scenes with Kyle seem as passionate as a warn glass of milk! “- quoted from “Crash Into Me: The World of Roswell▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

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"It's kind of weird because we've been making out for three years now," she laughs.
"It's like kissing someone you've been married to for a really long time.
It becomes second nature."- Shiri Appleby; Star Crossed Lover; 2001▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

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"The heart and soul of the seriesremains
the relationship between Max and Liz,
which is where everything more or less began.
In many ways, everything that happens on the show
even if Max and Liz are not front and centerpivots around that relationship."- Jason Katims&Ron Moore, Season Two Begins; mania.com▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

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"What I can say is I consider the Liz and Max relationship
the central love story in the series.
Even the deepest of relationships has its ups and downs,
so what I find interesting is to track their relationship
even when they're not technically together.
For example, the moment between Max and Liz
at the end of the Christmas episode
seems more poignant with them being apart
than it would have been if they were together."- Jason Katims; The WB Sessions (season 2)▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

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"We wanted to get to somewhere between these two
because we felt the audience deserved to know
what was going to happen with Max & Liz.
I didn’t think it was fair to just send them off not really knowing.
I remember seeing this happen in Superman
when I was a kid in the show where he turned coal into a diamond
and that always like stuck with me. Like the magic of that, the power of that
and so I thought it was a cool idea here,
I thought it would be this very romantic gesture."- Jason Katims; Graduation DVD Commentary▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

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"You know this is just one of those images that you have
when you’re breaking a story, when you’re writing. When you know where you’re going to end,
it always helps you in writing it and I sort of knew, in writing this story, that I wanted to get to..
I wanted to get to this image of them being married & driving away in the van."- Jason Katims; Graduation DVD Commentary▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

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"The thing that really does work in this episode
that I’m very proud of is this kind of scene. There is the emotion between the characters,
between our main characters
that sort of comes through & Max & Liz, you know,
sort of rediscovering each other."- Jason Katims; Graduation DVD Commentary ("what a great mind" scene)▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

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"Liz and Max are just enjoyin the hell out of each other
and i think that they really played this scene nicely.
Here's a scene that, actually, the director took and ran with
and i think that he captured these moments
between the two of them so beautifully, and you really wanted these two people to be together.
This was cute [Liz cleans up Max's face]"- Thania St. John- The Balance commentary▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

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"Thematically "the balance" was not only supposed to be
about the alien balance that we get to in the end
but how, as a teenager or anybody in life with a relationship how do you balance the intensity of the feeling
that you have for one other person
with the way you have to be with the rest of the world?
How do you take this moment in time
that you share with only one other human being
and then be able to go into the other part of your world
and still feel balanced and whole?"- Thania St. John- The Balance commentary▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

~~~~~~~~~"I would love to do a roswell reunion. Do you think liz and max have had little alien babies yet?"- Shiri Appleby on her Twitter May 2010▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂▂

dreamer M o m e n t s

by Arosia

by Naturellebella

by Coccy
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▌Liz: Max, the day that you saved my life, your life just ended. ▌Max: No, that was the day my life began. Liz, when I was in that room, and they did what they did to me. ▌You're what kept me alive.▌The thought of you.The way your eyes look into mine. Your smile. The touch of your skin. Your lips. ▌Knowing you has made me human.▌Whether I die tomorrow or fifty years from now, my destiny is the same: it's you. I want to be with you, Liz. I love you. ▌Liz:I love you.
(#121 - Destiny)

Because even if they tried to change the future in the end they still loved each other and married in both lifetimes!

Happy Anniversary Max and Liz!

Proposal- (Assuming this was the Future Max timeline Max would give Liz his ring after Graduation according to Departure.)Max: I always thought when we graduated I would give you my ring. (handing her the pendant they found at Atherton's)
It looks like I won't graduate, so this is something from where I'll be.

Future Max Wedding- Took place in Vegas at a Elvis Wedding Chapel.Eloped at 19.
Reception-Spent the night singing and dancing in some dive outside Phoenix.
Wedding song- I Shall Believe by Sheryl Crow.

If they had twelve days to live because they graduated on June 12th then Max might of proposed to Liz on May 31st or June 1st.

Proposal- May 2002- Liz's Balcony in Graduation. Max made a homemade diamond for Liz from coal after seeing the trick done in the movie Superman III.

Max: ...A trick I learned from Superman. Let's see if it really works.

[Liz half way smiles, and is watching him, curious. He picks a charcoal briquette out of the cooker and encloses it in his hand. With great effort he squeezes it, and bright white energy emanates from his fist. After a moment, he wipes the object in his hand on the bottom of his shirt. Max slowly turns back to face Liz, then walks over to her. Holding her gaze, he gets down on one knee, and holds out the diamond he has just made.]

Max: Liz... they're taking our home from us. ...They want to kill us... and... they might. ...But when I look in your eyes, I... I don't feel angry... or... deprived. ...I feel like the luckiest half-human on the planet. You're pure... you're... you're true... and... you're real. And right now that seems like the only thing that's important. ...I want to be with you Liz... forever.
Liz: ...Forever may only be twelve days...
Max: --Then we'll take those twelve days... (He places the diamond in Liz's palm and closes her hand around it.) ...and we'll live twelve life times.
Max: ...Liz Parker... will you marry me?
Liz: ...Yes.

Wedding- June 2002 -We know this from Graduation because they graduate from West Roswell High on June 12th. Also
Liz said she would marry Max after Graduation. The Wedding took place at the Desert Rose Wedding Chapel. Married at 18.
Tribute Date- May 14,2002 when the final episode of Roswell called Graduation aired.

Liz: Oh, and I guess I should tell you that... Max and I did eventually tie the knot.

dreamer A r t s

~ Future Thread Titles ~
-He couldn't be without her.
-Her kisses made him feel heaven.
-They couldn't bare to be apart.
-She brought him back.
-Liz couldn't give Max alien herpes....but Tess could!
-She's his everything and he proved it with his life
-In the show, all the books..their love is always amazing
-Fate kicked "Destiny's" ass!
-If the van's rocking, don't bother knocking!
-Because she's the first image that people always saw into Max's mind.
-Because wherever they went... they were there when they got back.
-Because when he got his priorities in order, she was at the top of the list
-Because every kiss and smile came as natural as breathing.
-Because they are each other's destiny
-Because she would go anywhere if it means being with him
-Even after his body became dust, his soul still loved and only wanted her
-Because when he came out from behind the tree, Liz was all he could see
-Because he healed her with his hands and she saved him with a kiss
-A couple who made all their dreams come true
-He loves her and she loves him. It's the world to him.
-Max is not a king, he's a throne where she can comfortably sit down - Courtesy Gloria
- I love you and even when i can't see you in the day i see you in the night in my dreams
- they could both feel what the other was feeling and that was amazing
- because they're like one being, one spirit. stronger together. miserable apart.
- "People will go to any length if they love someone" - David Nutter about them
- because he'd die for her and he'd live for her
- because with them the phrases "I'd die for you. I'd live for you" are a real thing
- "I love that! He doesn't care about his "destiny". He cares about this girl. He loves her and she loves him. "- R.Moore
- "They're very much happy together, regardless of the circumstances they're in." Jason Behr
- any relationship you get into is complicated, especially true love, that one special person. - Jason Behr
- Even when they were not a couple they were still allowed to profess their love for each other
- They don't need to say I love you to show their love but every time they do it is always epic
- because "Heart and Soul of Roswell has always been the relationship between them" - Ron Moore
- because "They're Soulmates Across Time & Space" - Ron Moore
- "Their connection works so well because it's very romantic in the classic sense of the word"- Ronald Moore
- because she was his dream girl
- because it was all just magic when he thought about her
- because their relationship is based strictly on the heart. - Shiri Appleby
- because We made a connection a connection a full on chemical reaction
- because We made a connection, a full on chemical reaction by divine intervention. You're a shining light.
- because You arrive and the night is alive, you are a shining light, you light up my life.
- because There's nothing that we can't do beneath a canopy of stars
- because You are the light that's leading me to the place where I find peace again.
- because You hold me in your hands You won't let me fall. You steal my heart, You take my breath away
-because How can I stand here with you and not be moved by you?
-because You calm the storms and you give me rest you hold me in your hands you won't let me fall
-If it isn't complicated he probably isn't a soul mate
-"without you i couldn't become the person i am now." - Jason Behr
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"Hi I'm Jason nice to meet you"~Jason Behr to me~5/8/07 "It was nice meeting you Erin"~Milo Ventimiglia to me~11/20/06 ~Proud member of The DSC! Roswell Board~Celebrating 300,000 posts of Silver Handprints, Alien Blasts, & Tabasco Sause "OMG your the girl I didn't puke on"~Stephenie Meyer to me in reference to meeting her at the 2008 San Diego Comic Con~8/1/084/18/11~ the day I brushed shoulders with Robert Pattinson!

Pretty close to perfect. They were so young and in love. And before the angst would overwhelm and change them from the pandora box Max opened when he saved her. They were amazing together and a great team.

Maybe a little naïve. But they were amazing.

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One shooting. One healing. Soulmates were discovered.
Death may have tried interceding but they could never die.
Max and Liz forever!

The good thing is that at the end of the series they were stronger than ever.

And it only took them three years. Some shows take years to get their main duo or couple as strong as this made Max and Liz. Not to say everything was perfect by the end. I am sure they still had some queasy moments. But in three years, two timelines. To get engaged and you felt confident that this time they would stick, and were determined to make it.

We lucked out.

I will always take the three seasons, including the horrors of Season 2 because it did make them stronger for it all. They were pretty naïve in Season One. They were in love. And nothing had shakened it yet, but they needed the hell to be able to become strong if they wanted each other. Given how complicated it was...with the alien vs. human aspect of it.

Now, I would have chosen a few less obstacles. I will always say Tess was a justified obstacle. I just don't agree where they took that part of the story. But it made sense. But still, to get engaged at 18 and be confident they could succeed. They needed it.

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One shooting. One healing. Soulmates were discovered.
Death may have tried interceding but they could never die.
Max and Liz forever!