Mralterego:I'm sorry to offend anyone but the Muslim people are pretty farking farked up and disgusting.

I have a few good Muslim friends but as a whole they are farking a cancer on human progress...

There are a lot of different types of Muslims, so what you said doesn't really make much sense. The thing that's the issue here is the culture in an impoverished part of the world. Their culture there is the sick part. Christian people did - and may even still do in some place in the world - the same shiat when they lived in places with shiatty old cultures like that. It's not specific to Islam.

poodebunker:Mralterego: I'm sorry to offend anyone but the Muslim people are pretty farking farked up and disgusting.

I have a few good Muslim friends but as a whole they are farking a cancer on human progress...

The fundamental extremists are the cancer.

And to paraphrase Hitchens, the great mass of non-extremists who do nothing about the extremists in their midst are the enablers; this problem is not unique to Islam, of course. Christians, Hindus, and Jews all provide cover for their respective whackjobs.

And to paraphrase Hitchens, the great mass of non-extremists who do nothing about the extremists in their midst are the enablers; this problem is not unique to Islam, of course. Christians, Hindus, and Jews all provide cover for their respective whackjobs.

And to paraphrase Hitchens, the great mass of non-extremists who do nothing about the extremists in their midst are the enablers; this problem is not unique to Islam, of course. Christians, Hindus, and Jews all provide cover for their respective whackjobs.

If you haven't heard of the memoir Burned Alive by Souad, you should maybe check it out. She wasn't a child bride, but it does mention some parts where when she's in the hospital recovering, and the staff doesn't actually treat her because they don't want to get in the middle of a family's religious practices.

It's horrifying.

/not the best memoir I have read, as far as writing/flow//is, however, quite memorable

Poverty may be a reason for child brides, but the main reason is because all over the world and throughout history there have been immature, insecure cave males who are intimidated by REAL women.

These cave males use the justification of "we're physically bigger than females so we're be better in all ways". Therefore they've enforced the attitude that the female's only purpose in life is to lick a male's ass crack and to pick up after him.

Religion is no help because it's been used to justify, sanctify and legitimize these horrendous attitudes and practices.

I have every right in the world to denounce the mistreatment of females everywhere. "Traditions" be damned, just because something is tradition doesn't mean it's right. Everyone has an obligation to point out and do something about transgressions to basic human rights.

Gyrfalcon:nmrsnr: The article makes no mention of the supposed groom's age, was he a terrible adult, or another kid in need of help?

Yeah, it's hard to get horribly horribly outraged when there are followup sentences like this:

He was jailed for less than a week, but as he is the sole breadwinner, police let him go in order to prevent his family from suffering.Yemen's gripping poverty plays a role in hindering efforts to stamp out the practice, as poor families find themselves unable to say no to 'bride-prices' that can be hundreds of dollars for their daughters. Easy enough for us to think OMG! SICKO EVIL PEDOPHILES! when at least part of what is going on here is "If I sell my daughter into slavery, I'll have food to feed my other 19 kids for a few more years, and she might have a place to grow up if she doesn't get pregnant until she's 13." Since he was selling her to his cousin, who knows? Maybe it was less selling her into sex slavery than a way to get her into another man's house while still observing the cultural niceties.

Poverty and tribal customs are a nasty brew.

His intention might have been to get her a safe place, but that doesn't mean that's what would happen.

trekkiecougar:Poverty may be a reason for child brides, but the main reason is because all over the world and throughout history there have been immature, insecure cave males who are intimidated by REAL women.

These cave males use the justification of "we're physically bigger than females so we're be better in all ways". Therefore they've enforced the attitude that the female's only purpose in life is to lick a male's ass crack and to pick up after him.

Religion is no help because it's been used to justify, sanctify and legitimize these horrendous attitudes and practices.

I have every right in the world to denounce the mistreatment of females everywhere. "Traditions" be damned, just because something is tradition doesn't mean it's right. Everyone has an obligation to point out and do something about transgressions to basic human rights.

I don't know...somehow I doubt the "main reason" men do this to women here is because they are "intimidated by 'REAL' women". I seriously doubt the menfolk that do this are because they are afraid of a woman's intelligence and power. Because to them, they don't have any. They don't oppress out of fear of 'real' women, they do it because it works for them,and oh yeah...God (I don't quite buy that this woudn't be happening, except for God).

I'm sure that due to this system, of not educating women, keeping them locked up,etc...this has undoubtedly produced very few "women to reckon with" in the general populace there. Of course, there are amazing exceptions...but most of them go along, because they don't have a (good) choice or don't know any better way. Mothers help send their daughters off to marry old men, and so will these girls.

These are also 'real' women...just in the shiattiest of situations. Too bad "real" over there doesn't get you shiat but killed or pregnant.

/too stoned for this argument. More pups, please?

These men are not afraid of them. They are not afraid of women like you or I either. They are just going to keep on keepin' on, because living in grinding poverty pretty much keeps your brain focused on your own world...i would guess that most of those men never even contemplated doing anything else than what they and who they are doing. They don't consider it wrong (except for the uncle...want to bet he is either more educated, wealthy, or travelled than her dad? At least one of those.

If you haven't heard of the memoir Burned Alive by Souad, you should maybe check it out. She wasn't a child bride, but it does mention some parts where when she's in the hospital recovering, and the staff doesn't actually treat her because they don't want to get in the middle of a family's religious practices.

It's horrifying.

/not the best memoir I have read, as far as writing/flow//is, however, quite memorable

I think part of that was her grasp of the English language. I seem to recall that she wanted to write it without a translator.

I don't know which scenes horrified me more:-- her attempting to abort the baby by beating her belly with a rock;-- her brother in law so casually and genially lighting her on fire;-- her mother or brother bringing her a vial of poison to drink in the hospital.

And to paraphrase Hitchens, the great mass of non-extremists who do nothing about the extremists in their midst are the enablers; this problem is not unique to Islam, of course. Christians, Hindus, and Jews all provide cover for their respective whackjobs.

Which other major religions cover up for pedophilia?

Been under a rock the last twenty years, or do you not consider Catholicism a major religion?

rogue_L_chick:trekkiecougar: Poverty may be a reason for child brides, but the main reason is because all over the world and throughout history there have been immature, insecure cave males who are intimidated by REAL women.

These cave males use the justification of "we're physically bigger than females so we're be better in all ways". Therefore they've enforced the attitude that the female's only purpose in life is to lick a male's ass crack and to pick up after him.

Religion is no help because it's been used to justify, sanctify and legitimize these horrendous attitudes and practices.

I have every right in the world to denounce the mistreatment of females everywhere. "Traditions" be damned, just because something is tradition doesn't mean it's right. Everyone has an obligation to point out and do something about transgressions to basic human rights.

I don't know...somehow I doubt the "main reason" men do this to women here is because they are "intimidated by 'REAL' women". I seriously doubt the menfolk that do this are because they are afraid of a woman's intelligence and power. Because to them, they don't have any. They don't oppress out of fear of 'real' women, they do it because it works for them,and oh yeah...God (I don't quite buy that this woudn't be happening, except for God).

I'm sure that due to this system, of not educating women, keeping them locked up,etc...this has undoubtedly produced very few "women to reckon with" in the general populace there. Of course, there are amazing exceptions...but most of them go along, because they don't have a (good) choice or don't know any better way. Mothers help send their daughters off to marry old men, and so will these girls.

These are also 'real' women...just in the shiattiest of situations. Too bad "real" over there doesn't get you shiat but killed or pregnant.

/too stoned for this argument. More pups, please?

These men are not afraid of them. They are not afraid of women like you or I either. They are just going to ...

Actually the uncle who called in was probably the other prearranged marriage that fell through.

If you haven't heard of the memoir Burned Alive by Souad, you should maybe check it out. She wasn't a child bride, but it does mention some parts where when she's in the hospital recovering, and the staff doesn't actually treat her because they don't want to get in the middle of a family's religious practices.

It's horrifying.

/not the best memoir I have read, as far as writing/flow//is, however, quite memorable

I think part of that was her grasp of the English language. I seem to recall that she wanted to write it without a translator.

I don't know which scenes horrified me more:-- her attempting to abort the baby by beating her belly with a rock;-- her brother in law so casually and genially lighting her on fire;-- her mother or brother bringing her a vial of poison to drink in the hospital.

rogue_L_chick:trekkiecougar: Poverty may be a reason for child brides, but the main reason is because all over the world and throughout history there have been immature, insecure cave males who are intimidated by REAL women.

These cave males use the justification of "we're physically bigger than females so we're be better in all ways". Therefore they've enforced the attitude that the female's only purpose in life is to lick a male's ass crack and to pick up after him.

Religion is no help because it's been used to justify, sanctify and legitimize these horrendous attitudes and practices.

I have every right in the world to denounce the mistreatment of females everywhere. "Traditions" be damned, just because something is tradition doesn't mean it's right. Everyone has an obligation to point out and do something about transgressions to basic human rights.

I don't know...somehow I doubt the "main reason" men do this to women here is because they are "intimidated by 'REAL' women". I seriously doubt the menfolk that do this are because they are afraid of a woman's intelligence and power. Because to them, they don't have any. They don't oppress out of fear of 'real' women, they do it because it works for them,and oh yeah...God (I don't quite buy that this woudn't be happening, except for God).

I'm sure that due to this system, of not educating women, keeping them locked up,etc...this has undoubtedly produced very few "women to reckon with" in the general populace there. Of course, there are amazing exceptions...but most of them go along, because they don't have a (good) choice or don't know any better way. Mothers help send their daughters off to marry old men, and so will these girls.

These are also 'real' women...just in the shiattiest of situations. Too bad "real" over there doesn't get you shiat but killed or pregnant.

/too stoned for this argument. More pups, please?

These men are not afraid of them. They are not afraid of women like you or I either. They are just going to ...

I can agree with you to a point. We are no longer in the stone age, and with the exception of those that live in far off remote villages there are plenty of males who have access to what is happening around the world here in the 21st century. They know good and damn well what women are capable of and it scares the living shiat out of their fragile male egos.

And those parts of the world that allow women to be treated like dirt will continue to be shiatholes...........

and that is basically the crux of the Islamic religion regardless of what any 'moderate' person says.When the actions and belieff of the primary figure himself is not exactly the most compatible with modern standards of living and conflicts with most socially acceptable ways there are bound to be lots of conflicts with those who perscribe to that relgiion

As much as Fark likes to blast anything Christianity related every chance it gets, the truth is at least in Christianity the central figure never pulled anything close what what Muhammad did.

SuperNinjaToad:The DBS: Eight is old enough for Mohammed, it's old enough for them.

and that is basically the crux of the Islamic religion regardless of what any 'moderate' person says.When the actions and belieff of the primary figure himself is not exactly the most compatible with modern standards of living and conflicts with most socially acceptable ways there are bound to be lots of conflicts with those who perscribe to that relgiion

As much as Fark likes to blast anything Christianity related every chance it gets, the truth is at least in Christianity the central figure never pulled anything close what what Muhammad did.

To my understanding, this whole Christianity shiat started when a Jewish priest knocked up his 11 year old servant girl known as Mary, and blamed it on the Divine Being. And then things started to go downhill.