Donnchadha:Three Crooked Squirrels: No American on welfare should have the right to vote for tax increases on those Americans who are working and paying taxes to support them. That's insane.

Americans on welfare get to vote for tax increases? I don't have that right. Lucky Duckies.

A lot of local taxes are voted on by the public -- California is the famous example of this. They vote on any state imposed tax, which never passes, because who votes FOR a tax? and then they wonder why they have no money.

I vote FOR a tax when it comes up on local ballots, because I know it'll be put to good use. Then again, I'm not an uneducated moron (ie fiscal conservative).

Zoophagous:So if you're poor and on welfare according to Ted you should be taxed more and lose your vote.

I wonder where the founding fathers stood on taxation without an ability to vote.

Ever explain that the american revolution was started because a government wanted to balance its budget*? That London just figured more people should have "skin in the game". It's like putting baking soda in a jar of vinegar.

Privatize Social Security for those under 55, simply buy private insurance for medicaid and medicare people like Switzerland does via block grants to states, eliminate all income taxes and introduce national sales tax so everyone pays including nonprofits and churches, consolodate all the dozens of welfare agencies into one program and require those who sign up also sign a waiver of their adulthood so they can't vote and a gov't appointed parent is assigned to be their guardian.

Keizer_Ghidorah:beta_plus: Corvus: beta_plus: Krieghund: beta_plus: //This is what the French actually believe

The French can't hear you, they're busy with their 5 weeks of vacation and 35 hour work weeks.

You have an interesting idea of what's a vacation:

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I went to France during the rioting. It was wonderful. They had armed police on many corners. Felt more safe than most of the time in most cities in the US. My wife and I walked alone everywhere.

You are an idiot who has no farking idea what you are talking.

OOOOH! Look at me! I went on a Eurail trip and saw all the historic preserved European downtowns while ignoring their poor suburbs so that makes me an expert on all of the countries that I went to because there is no way class and racial divisions in other countries could differ from America!!

But don't worry, you really are an expert on all that is "European", because we all know the Champs Ellysee is exactly like a Banlieue.

Just wondering: Are you just butt hurt that you got called out on how you don't like living among the poor or are you really that stupid? I'm invoking Poe's law here.

And BTW - So you think a racist police state is the way to run things. Well, at least you are willing to show your true liberal face - I'll give you that.

LIBS LIBS LIBS LIBS LIBS LIBS LIBS!

Try looking at the world with your own eyes, listening with your own ears, and thinking with your own brain once in a while.

LargeCanine:Privatize Social Security for those under 55, simply buy private insurance for medicaid and medicare people like Switzerland does via block grants to states, eliminate all income taxes and introduce national sales tax so everyone pays including nonprofits and churches, consolodate all the dozens of welfare agencies into one program and require those who sign up also sign a waiver of their adulthood so they can't vote and a gov't appointed parent is assigned to be their guardian.

And fire all cops and close all prisons, releasing the inmates. It's all just psychological welfare for sacred white people, and I can't afford the tax burden anymore. Why shouild I pay to protect your soft, pale ass? Protect your own self - that's why we got a second amendment.

Well there is that quote about how democracy lasts exactly as long as it takes for the public to figure out they can vote to get free stuff from the public treasury.

A system where no one who receives a benefit from public expenditures is allowed to vote for anything that allocates those expenditures certainly would nip that one in the bud.

It wouldn't just be welfare people though. Defense contractors. Military. Too big to fail banks. Farmers who take subsidies. Federal employees of all sorts.

It would would have interesting consequences. Starship Troopers except citizenship comes from self-sufficiency instead of service.

The practical aspects of implementing it would be impossible, though. The money would just get funneled through extra layers of shell corporations and contractors to shield the people enjoying the public money from the label of non-citizen. What if you work in a McDonalds in the commissary of a military base? The politicians would structure the details of the law such that only the poor people can't vote and all the fascism style corporate collaborators would be immune. All the federal employees would be done though contractors.

Only in Right Wing America would a man who dipped himself in sh*t to avoid military service be considered a patriot, and only a man advocating for taxation without representation be considered anything but a traitor.

Corvus:See those tiniest slivers on the right there. Those are what you are talking about. You can never get about 1.5 trillion from 500 billion. People don't understand that the things the GOP are asking to cut are the tiniest parts of the budget.

Let's also stop the insanity by suspending the right to vote of any American who is on welfare. Once they get off welfare and are self-sustaining, they get their right to vote restored.

Sounds like a 'poll tax' to me asshole... Besides, what do you consider "welfare"? Is it Unemployment? I was out of work when the election occurred because my job decided to pull a bunch of shifty bullshiat. I was actively looking for work, which is a requirement, despite what the voices in your head tell you, and I am now re-employed.

So in other words, you draft dodging shiat smearing freak: Fark you and the horse you rode in on, I had every right to vote and I farking exercised that right, so eat a farking dick. You are nobody to try and take away my rights just because I can't blather and get paid for it like you.

SuperT:Donnchadha: Three Crooked Squirrels: No American on welfare should have the right to vote for tax increases on those Americans who are working and paying taxes to support them. That's insane.

Americans on welfare get to vote for tax increases? I don't have that right. Lucky Duckies.

A lot of local taxes are voted on by the public -- California is the famous example of this. They vote on any state imposed tax, which never passes, because who votes FOR a tax? and then they wonder why they have no money.

When I lived in florida we voted for and passed a tax in alachua county to build a new courthouse. Of course it never went away after the courthouse was built.

we also voted for a hi-speed rail line, that never went anywhere.

My retired Senator, Voinovich (R-Old School), fought like hell to pass that. He won, too. Then our new governor, Kasich (R-eally good example of the assholes who've taken over the party), fought like hell to keep it out of our states. He did posses enough brass to ask if he could keep the money for roads. Kasich has a lot of buddies in road construction.

jso2897:LargeCanine: Privatize Social Security for those under 55, simply buy private insurance for medicaid and medicare people like Switzerland does via block grants to states, eliminate all income taxes and introduce national sales tax so everyone pays including nonprofits and churches, consolodate all the dozens of welfare agencies into one program and require those who sign up also sign a waiver of their adulthood so they can't vote and a gov't appointed parent is assigned to be their guardian.

And fire all cops and close all prisons, releasing the inmates. It's all just psychological welfare for sacred white people, and I can't afford the tax burden anymore. Why shouild I pay to protect your soft, pale ass? Protect your own self - that's why we got a second amendment.

LargeCanine:thepostess: LargeCanine: require those who sign up also sign a waiver of their adulthood so they can't vote and a gov't appointed parent is assigned to be their guardian.

Wait, what?!

There's a sure sign of "Smaller Government".

There are some people who legitimately need help. A guardian can arrange aid, make sure bills are paid, make sure welfare is not being misused and teach life skills.

If welfare infantilizes people, perhaps its a good idea to teach them to be adults.

WHO picks the guardians? And Who pays the financial cost of this stunning example of overreaching of authority? The cost/benefit ratio doesn't seem like it would be worth it. Not everyone who receives assistance needs a farking babysitter. What a colossal waste, FFS

GAT_00:And the GOP reverse-Robin Hood continues. Steal from the poor to give to the rich, that is the GOP economic plan.

Oh, I'll agree with what Teddy wants. Of course then I want copyright returned to it's original term. I also think that then there will have to be inescapable war taxes that will hit the "rich" the hardest to pay for that awesome military. I could go on, but the first one would probably cause Ted to have a massive stroke.