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whoa! i'm a moron! i thought i had this shroomery posting down, and didn't need to preview...guess iw as wrong!

anyways, i have two rubbermade bins, one in the other, with water in it. i lay the heaters on teh bottom, sideways, which is undereneath one tub.

i think my problem may be that even though i use hot water to start it up, maybe i set the thing on high, and it heated up to fast as a result....

oh, and yes, i'll HEARTILY agree that they get MOFOIN hot if you leave them outta water...burned my hand so @#$#@$ bad on the first one when i plugged it in out of water to see what would happen. won't do that again!

thanks a lot guys, i think we solved it!

--------------------"Never rest for even a second, because a second becomes a minute, a minute becomes an hour, a hour becomes a day, and a day, a lifetime" -PTEI

maybe use the method of having a glass juice jar, IN the tub, filled with water, and the heater in that? little bit easier to keep an eye on things. e.i water level's....just a thought might not work for your situation...