Is 9300 the new psion? - Scion

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Nice to see the psion community is still going... I remember in the good
old days the 3a-5mx dynastys when this was really thriving!
What do people think of the new 9300 from Nokia as being a good ...

Is 9300 the new psion?

Nice to see the psion community is still going... I remember in the good
old days the 3a-5mx dynastys when this was really thriving!

What do people think of the new 9300 from Nokia as being a good replacement
for the Psion?

Also, has anyone noticed the really high second-hand price of series 3
machines?! I thought I would (after a 1/2 year stint without a psion) look
for a really cheap 3 series on ebay - Ridiculous! Spending £50 on an
organiser that can barely communicate with a new laptop, only for the screen
to go in 2 years?! Maybe I'm missing something...

Duncan.

Re: Is 9300 the new psion?

_ Touch screen?

_ WCDMA (Wideband Code-Division Multiple Access)?

_ UMTS (Universal Mobile Telephone System)?

_ Bluetooth + Wifi ?

_ (Linux minus Qtopia) + Symbian?

=> Still waiting

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Re: Is 9300 the new psion?

In article , Duncan J Murray wrote:
> What do people think of the new 9300 from Nokia as being a good replacement
> for the Psion?
>
As I said in a separate thread :
From http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03...a_9300_review/ , the
reviewer, an erstwhile Psioneer, tells us : [SNIP]

As a Psion user with a Nokia phone that is ... ailing (one more soaking
and it's a DMMF, I fear) ... well, an interesting review.

Re: Is 9300 the new psion?

Aidan Karley wrote:
> In article , Duncan J Murray wrote:
>> What do people think of the new 9300 from Nokia as being a good
>> replacement for the Psion?
>>
> As I said in a separate thread :
> From http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03...a_9300_review/ ,
> the
> reviewer, an erstwhile Psioneer, tells us : [SNIP]
>
> As a Psion user with a Nokia phone that is ... ailing (one more
> soaking
> and it's a DMMF, I fear) ... well, an interesting review.
>

This review is amazing. At last, someone who tells the true about those
device.

Psion isn't about touch screen, touch typing, clever opening mechanism etc.
etc. It was about being the most flexible and efficient organiser there
was.

Duncan.

Re: Is 9300 the new psion?

"Aidan Karley"
wrote in message
news:VA.00000687.2128556a@validemailaddresstoa.new s.group...
> In article , Duncan J Murray wrote:
>> What do people think of the new 9300 from Nokia as being a good
>> replacement
>> for the Psion?
>>
> As I said in a separate thread :
> From http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03...a_9300_review/ ,
> the
> reviewer, an erstwhile Psioneer, tells us : [SNIP]
>
> As a Psion user with a Nokia phone that is ... ailing (one more
> soaking
> and it's a DMMF, I fear) ... well, an interesting review.
>
> --
> Aidan Karley,
> Aberdeen, Scotland,
> Location: 57°10' N, 02°09' W (sub-tropical Aberdeen), 0.021233
> Written at Sat, 16 Apr 2005 09:38 +0100

The review is interesting, but doesn't focus on the important points for me.
He seems to concentrate all his attention on the communicator not having
superflous gimmicks that some psions had - I'm talking about touchtyping,
looking modern, use of space, alpha-blended pen diaplay, sliding hinges,
backlit keyboard and touchscreen. This person is nostalgic! If he was
truly looking for a tool to use every day, these are all pretty unimportant
factors. You can touch type on a series 5, but you can't hold it in your
hands and type with your thumbs. The series 3 vice versa. The series 5 had
touch-screen, but was poorly implemented, requiring a mixture of typing and
touching to achieve what could be done quicker just using the keyboard on a
series 3.

Instead, I would be looking at being able to type (at a reasonable pace -
series 3 style) and enter appointments while standing, and the Agenda
program being as flexible as the original on the series 3 or 5. He doesn't
go into, what is for me, the most important aspect of a Psion Organiser.

I've tried looking for replacements, but there simply are not any
replacements for a device which has : keyboard, proper agenda program, and
is reasonably slim.

I had all off them in my hand. From the very rare Psion organizer one to the
Psion netBook & netPad. Even a few Psion prototypes.

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Re: Is 9300 the new psion?

Most command can be done with keyboard on Psion Epoc device. Only tasks
switching (without closing the running application) needs the touchscreen.
Toolbar icones selection also need the touchscreen but all commands are
into the menu with keyboard shortcut.

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I had a program which simulated alt-tab on the 5mx, but there were times
when I still had to use the touch screen, and I think it was for things like
adding memos to entries.

Re: Is 9300 the new psion?

Control+Maj+M on French device. Should be the Edit/Edit Objet/Text menu
option on english one.

Duncan J Murray wrote:
> I had a program which simulated alt-tab on the 5mx, but there were times
> when I still had to use the touch screen, and I think it was for things
> like adding memos to entries.
>
> Duncan.
>
> "AM Christophe" wrote in message
> news:mib8e.46158$Of5.30684@nntpserver.swip.net...
>>
>> Most command can be done with keyboard on Psion Epoc device. Only tasks
>> switching (without closing the running application) needs the
>> touchscreen. Toolbar icones selection also need the touchscreen but all
>> commands are into the menu with keyboard shortcut.

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Exactly - impossible to type while the unit is in your hands!

Duncan.

"AM Christophe" wrote in message
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>
> Control+Maj+M on French device. Should be the Edit/Edit Objet/Text menu
> option on english one.
>
>
> Duncan J Murray wrote:
>
>> I had a program which simulated alt-tab on the 5mx, but there were times
>> when I still had to use the touch screen, and I think it was for things
>> like adding memos to entries.
>>
>> Duncan.
>>
>> "AM Christophe" wrote in message
>> news:mib8e.46158$Of5.30684@nntpserver.swip.net...
>>>
>>> Most command can be done with keyboard on Psion Epoc device. Only tasks
>>> switching (without closing the running application) needs the
>>> touchscreen. Toolbar icones selection also need the touchscreen but all
>>> commands are into the menu with keyboard shortcut.
>
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Re: Is 9300 the new psion?

In article , Duncan J Murray wrote:
> Psion isn't about touch screen, touch typing, clever opening mechanism etc.
> etc. It was about being the most flexible and efficient organiser there
> was.
>
Strange to say, I agree with both posters.
The keyboard/ screen/ touch screen/ robustness/ processor/ storage/
battery life of the Psion [5/ 5mx] are all not quite the absolute leaders of
the pack, but as an ensemble ... I need a backup Psion in a nitrogen-filled
bag in my freezer.

Re: Is 9300 the new psion?

In article , Duncan J Murray wrote:
> He seems to concentrate all his attention on the communicator not having
> superflous gimmicks that some psions had - I'm talking about touchtyping,
> looking modern, use of space, alpha-blended pen diaplay, sliding hinges,
> backlit keyboard and touchscreen. This person is nostalgic! If he was
> truly looking for a tool to use every day, these are all pretty unimportant
> factors.
>
Many of these factors are inter-related. [interruption, several pints
of 0.5% ethanol-water + impurities] touch typing and the sliding hinges ...
use of space ... backlit keyboard is something I've wanted for ages.
Of the characteristics mentioned, I see the non-backlit keyboard as the
biggest issue. All the rest are under control.

Re: Is 9300 the new psion?

Aidan Karley wrote:
> In article , Duncan J Murray wrote:
>..
> I love my Psion, and I have not seen a realistic competitor.

Same feeling here.

Most competitors have better hardware and more fonctionalities but their
software UI and feature are not enough polished. Psion engineers took a lot
of time to polish the Epoc UI (Series 5, 5mx, Revo, netBook, ...), but even
with all this work they missed a few good Series 3 ideas.

Yes of course. There are dedicated feewares for this. Task switching just
does'nt work out of the box.

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The PDA market is not dead... but the lack of good software solution out of
the box is killing it since many years now. I'm not talking about things
like Agendafusion or TomTom but about software out of the box.

People feed up to see the same crap reserved each years with just new
colours. Those "upgrades" are just big lies! Let see : imagine a PDA with
your PC hardware power... would you like to buy it if it was still running
PocketPC, PalmOS, Qtopia or Symbian? Well, if you are a gamer, than yes.

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Re: Is 9300 the new psion?

"Aidan Karley"
wrote in message
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> In article , Duncan J Murray wrote:
>> He seems to concentrate all his attention on the communicator not having
>> superflous gimmicks that some psions had - I'm talking about touchtyping,
>> looking modern, use of space, alpha-blended pen diaplay, sliding hinges,
>> backlit keyboard and touchscreen. This person is nostalgic! If he was
>> truly looking for a tool to use every day, these are all pretty
>> unimportant
>> factors.
>>
> Many of these factors are inter-related. [interruption, several
> pints
> of 0.5% ethanol-water + impurities] touch typing and the sliding hinges
> ...
> use of space ... backlit keyboard is something I've wanted for ages.
> Of the characteristics mentioned, I see the non-backlit keyboard as
> the
> biggest issue. All the rest are under control.
>
> I love my Psion, and I have not seen a realistic competitor.

Well, what about the Nokia 9300? Why does can this not replace your psion?
It has a backlit screen and maybe even has a backlit keyboard (but
seriously, do you do all your work at night? How about just turning the
light on?!)

Duncan.

Re: Is 9300 the new psion?

> I had all off them in my hand. From the very rare Psion organizer one to
> the
> Psion netBook & netPad. Even a few Psion prototypes.

You must have big hands - and you know what they say about big hands...
probably big feet too?

Duncan.

Re: Is 9300 the new psion?

"Aidan Karley"
wrote in message
news:VA.0000068f.247ace91@validemailaddresstoa.new s.group...
> In article , Duncan J Murray wrote:
>> Psion isn't about touch screen, touch typing, clever opening mechanism
>> etc.
>> etc. It was about being the most flexible and efficient organiser there
>> was.
>>
> Strange to say, I agree with both posters.
> The keyboard/ screen/ touch screen/ robustness/ processor/ storage/
> battery life of the Psion [5/ 5mx] are all not quite the absolute leaders
> of
> the pack, but as an ensemble ... I need a backup Psion in a
> nitrogen-filled
> bag in my freezer.

It's funny, but there's a paradox here.

I would say the most useful psion, in terms of pure organising power, is the
series 3. If they re-released a series 3, I think I would get one. I've
seriously considered repairing my series 3a, except that it is completely
incompatible with my laptop. Nothing compares to the series 3 for a
replacement for a pocket diary, in that you can hold it while typing,
doesn't require ridiculous shortcuts to do things, and it's got a clear
screen (clearer than the 5 series), and of course, the most excellent agenda
program.

But at the time, the psion 3a was the absolute bleeding edge of technology -
2mb, 2 drives, multitasking, digital audio - it was better than our home
computer! And funny enough, it wasn't any of these 'gimmicks' that makes
the psion as useful as it is - I could live without all of the above. But
it was what made it a success, and might explain why the series 5, despite
being technologically better, was much less of a success.