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Re: Obito's Susano'o

Proof again that you need Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi to use Susano'o. Please start researching before making crazy posts. Obito will need to awaken both abilities to use Susano'o. Also, it is possible to have more than one technique per eye, because sasuke has both Tsukuyomi and Blaze Release in his right eye.

Re: Obito's Susano'o

Originally Posted by Soroku

Maybe some of you are being idiots on purpose, idk, but seriously....you don't need Amaterasu or Tsukuyomi for Susanoo. All you need is two sharingan MS eye balls....and Obito doesn't , simple as that. So please stop being idiots and saying he needs Tsuku and Amat first, that just show's how little you even know.

The only idiot here is you....read the damn databook genius and then you will see that you do need them both.

I'll even put the picture right here for you.

Now I dare you to say we're idiots now, cause apparently the authors believes you need them so you do until proven wrong deal with it.

Re: Obito's Susano'o

Originally Posted by BudakPurba

Obito definitely has Susano.. Amaterasu.. and others Jutsu ( which MS can use)...the explanation as below:-

1) To have a Rinnegan means that the sharingan had evolve to the highest limits.. sharingan > MS > Rinnegan... this is as Madara told to the 5 kages in the battle.. that he awaken the rinnegan eyes during the Harashima battle... so to have the rinnegan means ones has to evolve his sharingan to MS then Rinnegan... ( sasuke is on his way... and i bet he will awaken his Rinnegan during his battle with Naruto..) so the left eyes of obito (rinnegan) means he has evolve the eyes from MS to Rinngean...

tobi's rinnegan was not naturally evolved it's the same rinnegan that madara awakened then gave to nagato then tobi stole it back. it's not the same as naturally awakening it

Originally Posted by BudakPurba

2) Obito can do Izanagi ... during the battle with Konan ...

so what? danzo could do izanagi does that mean he has susanoo too?

Originally Posted by BudakPurba

3) Obito didnt shows all his technique and skills .... i think its because he didnt need to... there is no opponent that can push him to use those Jutsu... as long as he can slips those attacks i think he wont use it... unless someone can beat him badly then the susano will appears...

that may be what you think but what you think is wrong. he isn't waiting to be pushed to that limit he can't do it at all

Originally Posted by BudakPurba

4) obito was concentrating on the reviving the 10 tails... maybe its consume a lot of chakra.. so if he activate Susano , it will jeopardize the whole mission...

but, its cools to see that obito know different skills... like kamui which his Ms can activate, and that Uchiha barrier.. no one ever use it...

once again, no. it isn't about chakra consumption it's about a lack of the ability to do it

Originally Posted by BudakPurba

he have susanoo ... but he didnt need it yet!!!... the reasons uchiha use susano is because susanoo is the best sheild , to protect from any attacks.. by using susanoo , uchiha will be unbeatable... as for obito, susanoo is not a need because his opponent are barely touch him or attacks hims... so he didnt need susano to protect himself , right?? as long as he can avoid the attacks, he be fine....
and he maybe has the Harashima cells.. so he can heals himself quickly.. thats why the naruto rasengan didnt hurt much .. just a torn shirt and a broken mask... if he was pushed to his limits, maybe in the verge of death, then he will use it.. so for now, obito didnt show yet all of his powers and technique.. and do not forget , he is Madara disciples... so he still have something under his sleeve...

ands once agains, he most likely try to save chakra.. using a susanoo dealt with great risk.. to much chakra consumes.. he is fighting against the strongest shinobi... so he needs to fights carefully...

JUST SEE!!!... waits for the time to come... Obito's Susanoo will be revealed.... (just like tobi = Obito.. is not logic but its the facts)

Dont See doesnt means its not exist.. just the time will show it...

wtf are you talking about? it's not logic but it's facts? no dumbass it's been explained that tobi is obito and just how it all came to be, i personally don't agree with it because obito is going waaaaay to far just to try to provide himself with a false sense of happiness, but it all makes sense. just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's illogical, that means that you are illogical.

once again he is not saving it for a time that he needs it he does not have it

Originally Posted by BudakPurba

Who agreed with me that Obito has Susanoo?

nobody intelligent because it was said a long time ago that tsukuyomi and amaterasu are necessary for susanoo, therefore obito doesn't have susanoo especially since he doesn't even have to sharingan

Originally Posted by BudakPurba

i dont understand the facts that need Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu to activate Susanoo.. try to understand this:-

1) Sasuke awaken susanoo without using Tsukuyomi and amaterasu first... he uses amaterasu after activating the susanoo... so the fact that Tsukuyomi and amaterasu needed to activate Susanoo is rubbish... the Susanoo, amaterasu, Tsukuyomi is like the technique that can be use by MS users... those technique is more likely a package for MS users... maybe the degree of the technique power or shape is different from one to anothers... such as Madara Susanoo is more high level than Itachi and sasuke... Sasuke amaterasu is more efficient than itachi because sasuke can manipulate the susano shape to become weapons or sheilds...

no. you are 100% wrong about everything you said first of all sasuke didn't use susanoo til the kage summit, but he used amaterasu like 5 minutes after he woke up after his fight with itachi, if you wanna get technical and say that was itachi's then fine. he also used amaterasu AND tsukuyomi against bee when they were trying to capture the hachibi and if you try to say that was after his susanoo which happened at the summit that was called BECAUSE sasuke "captured" bee then just gtfo cuz you're dead wrong

Originally Posted by BudakPurba

2) Once again.. try to look at the facts that... Obito has many sharingan eyes... which means he can activate any of those eyes into MS anytime... so what the heck are u saying repeatedly that obito DON'T HAVE 2 MS!!!... open ur eyes... the facts that he don't have 2 MS is funny.... HA HA HA... he dont have his both eyes , yes that true... but who needs the same eyes to awaken the MS.. its just need 2 sharingan only .... doesnt matter who eyes is it.... Madara eyes... are u confirm that the eyes that madara uses now is his originals eyes... what if one is different to another... THE FACTS IS THAT MS CAN BE AWAKEN EVENTHOUGH THE EYES IS FROM DIFFERENT PEOPLE, JUST AS LONG AS IT WAS AT THE SAME PERSONS...

no once again you are completely wrong. he may have a shit ton of sharingan but that doesn't mean that if he puts one in he can use his own MS powers with it, each eye has it's own unique powers which is why danzo was able to use kotoamatsukami at the summit, because he had shisui's eye. once again even if he could use someone elses eye for his own MS he still wouldn't be granted susanoo because he can't use tsuku or amat. yes madara's eyes are his own which is why he can switch between EMS and Rinnegan at will, in fact, that's the reason that he has acess to the rinnegan at all. no other person in the world has awakened rinnegan so who elses eyes could they possibly be? have you seen tobi switch his rinnegan back to an EMS ever? no because there wouldn't be a point in having his own MS and madara's EMS at the same time

Originally Posted by BudakPurba

3) and try to thinks this... WHAT IS THE SUSANOO?? ... WHAT IT IS SUSANOO USES?..

a) As a powerfull sheilds against strong / weak attacks....
> Itachi never uses it before untill he was attacks by Sasuke Kirin... itachi uses it as the Sheilds...
> Sasuke saves his life from Raikage (ay) attacks by activating the Susanoo...
> Madara uses it when fighting the 5 kages...

b) also as a powerfull attacks...
> Itachi using it against nagato..
> sasuke using it killing Zetsu... amaterasu swords..
> madara using the susanoo swords to breaks the grounds during 5 kages battle...

# but most importantly... look closely... those people who activate the Susanoo... what is the similarity... they vulnerable ( expose) to attacks if they not using the Susanoo... those poeple can be touch.. any strike / attacks can hit them ... so , to sheilds themself.. Susanoo is the best tools...
As for obito... he didnt need to activate the susanoo YET!!! because no one can land an attacks of him... If his live was threatened , Im positively sure that he will using the Susanoo

we don't need to look at anything the susanoo has because it's all irrelevant because no matter how positive or sure you may be it will never happen because he CAN NOT DO IT

Originally Posted by BudakPurba

If the left eyes ( Kakashi sharingan eyes) is important .. don't u think that , to gain it will be the First Thing in Obito/ Akatsuki To Do List... he must chasing that eyes , before making his move to start the War.. but did he??

No, he dont!!!!

Why?

Because, its doesnt matter... the eyes is not important... he still can use others sharingan in his possessions to replace it...

once again incorrect, he can't use any one elses eye to replace it, he can however use someone elses eye in the place of his own but i don't see why he would because that would mean he would have to first learn how the other persons eye techniques worked because it wouldn't turn into his MS(kamui) it would remain the same as whoever's eye atually was(i.e. if he used shisui's eye he would be granted kotoamatsukami

Originally Posted by BudakPurba

see this proof that Obito uses Izanagi when fight Konan... in ur face...HahaHa..

ok so he used a random sharingan to do izanagi with. what's your point? we all know that he has a vast amount of sharingan but that doesn't mean that he can just put one in and it will sudennly morph into the characteristics of his own MS which is apparently what you are trying to claim.

you just make yourself look like an idiot, him having two sharingan doesn't mean shit. in ur face haha

Originally Posted by BudakPurba

izanagi is only for those who posses senju and uchiha cells together... it was originally use by sage of six paths... thats why the ones who can performs it , the sage of six paths, danzo, obito.... this is the proof

the proof of what? that he can use izanagi? yea congratulations you finally got something right. to bad every person that is up to date with the story has known that for months. izanagi and susanoo are two completely different things that have absolutely nothing to do with each other aside from them both being sharingan techs.

besides you are trying to prove he can use susanoo and now you're talking about izanagi for some reason and still sounding stupid the entire time

Originally Posted by BudakPurba

the books is back dated... now kishi is making story not totally basis in the past facts.. u can see now that there a some facts that different from the previous chapter... same with the kakashi MS awaken.. it show that it was awaken when they are young but...kakashi only show it when fighting madara... so the facts that MS awaken when kakashi killed rin is just a new made ...

first of all your time frame is completely off. i don't even understand why anyone bothered arguing with you when you don't even know what happened or when. secondly the fact that you blatantly ignore facts from the data books and try to claim that kishi isn't using the same facts just shows how utterly stupid you are. anyway kakashi awakened his/obito's MS and then immediately passed out due to fatigue so he wasn't aware that it even happened because 1 he passed out immediately and 2 he wasn't exactly in a stable mind state because he just killed his best friend. that being said, you claim he only showed it when fighting madara when it was first seen against deidara before madara even became a part of the plot so get your shit straight. and the fact that he awakened his MS when he killed rin is indeed a new fact because nobody knew how it was awakened before this week so yes it's very new, does that mean that it's wrong or illogical, hell no. but you are to stupid to comprehend the simplest of matters so i wouldn't expect you to figure out the reason why he never used it before part 2

Originally Posted by BudakPurba

and then if really needs to have amaterasu and tsukuyomi to activate susanoo.. does sasuke shows u that he uses amaterasu and tsukuyomi first then activate susanoo... NO!!! he just use the susanoo... the questions here is not just does Obito has susanoo or not... it also does Obito has tsukuyomi and amaterasu or not? ... Madara also uses susano without using the tsukuyomi and amaterasu.. u cant just say that he cant susanoo or amaterasu or tsukuyomi because u didnt see he using it yet...

completely wrong again. i can't keep track of how much you fail anymore. sasuke did not just use susanoo first he used both amaterasu and tsukuyomi against bee and that was before the kage summit ever happened so try again retard. madara uses the susanoo without BEING SHOWN using amat or tsuku because he's enough of a beast to not need to use amat or tsuku against anyone he was toying with everyone and he is a very arrogant person so he used susanoo straight away to show everyone how inferior they are in comparison to him, but just because he didn't use ama or tsuku doesn't mean he doesn't have them. the fact that he used susanoo proves that straight away and there is no need to ask if he has them or not

Originally Posted by BudakPurba

ok the rinnegan... how to awake rinnegan? .. tells me... from MS > rinnegan... so who eyes is it.. Madara? .. it only a pair which given to young nagato... so how about the rest Pain.. who eyes is it... 6 pairs.. i doubtly that madara gives them all... its obito ho has to do the awakening the sharingan eyes...

first of all you're skipping a whole step in the sharingan ladder, it's 1T, 2T, 3T, MS, EMS, then rinnegan. second if you honestly think that obito got to the level of rinnegan 6 seperate times yet still hasn't awakend it in his own eye then you are completely retarded and all hope is lost for you. madara JUST said even tho obito has uchiha blood and senju DNA he still may not achieve the rinnegan. madara himself had senju dna implanted for years and nothing happened until he was near his death so no nobody awakened 6 sets of rinnegan.

i'm honestly not sure if i'm right about this but i believe that there were 6 rinnegan because of the chakra receptors that controlled the dead bodies, i think that because that link is present the bodies will take on one characteristic of the person pulling the strings and that characteristic is their eyes. the six paths of pain had linked vision because of the rinnegan and not to mention all of nagato's summons had rinnegan. it isn't a bunch of different sets of eyes, it's all just one pair being multiplied by chakra receivers. once again not totally sure but that's my thoughts

Originally Posted by BudakPurba

he not using the MS in both of his eyes because he needs to control the bijuu ... so he use one MS and one rinnegan... and that rinngean is needed to control edo mazo...

he has a lot of sharingan collections... maybe there are a few in his possession is already in MS mode... because he never worried about internal darkness... Why?.. because he already has the internal MS... thats why he didnt bother his eyes with kakashi...

it is obvious to not gaining the highest power before starting the war... Obito must realise that to gain Ms in important before start the war... its stupid to let kakashi wondering aroung with his eyes... unless it was not IMPORTANT!!!

i honestly don't understand what point you're trying to make here. yes the rinnegan is so he can control the mazou but what are you trying to say?

yes he has lots of sharingan, and maybe there are a few that are MS, but no he does not have the EMS(where did you even get internal from?) because if he did then so would kakashi and also the shape of the eye would noticeably change which it hasn't. pretty sure obito doesn't even have a sibling he can take eyes from for the EMS so once again you fail hard as ****.

all in all not one thing you have said has made sense or been correct you clearly misinterpret a shitload of the story or just blatantly don't give a **** about solid facts. i'm pretty sure that you were just trolling for posts because this was seriously just pathetic

Re: Obito's Susano'o

Re: Obito's Susano'o

he could have susano theroreticaly cause he did have an another sharigan we he for the paper chick cause he used inzangi on her, cause kakashi has a ms and hes not uchiha and for all we know he could have it cause he took shushi eye from danzo and he had a shit load from the massacer so he couldve unlocked a another ms with the other sharingan and unlocked it but we may see or not thats just my thoughts.

Re: Obito's Susano'o

*Sigh* It amazes me how many of you have lack of understanding in regards to Sharingan techs...
Let me attempt to address these misunderstandings...

1.) Obito DOES NOT have Susanoo and most likely never will. He doesn't even have both of his mangekyo's nor the techniques required to use Susanoo.

2.) Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi are the parent jutsu REQUIRED to use Susanoo. It has been stated on multiple occasions in the manga and even in the data book. Anything otherwise is just pure speculation until Kishi himself states otherwise.

3.) Sasuke DOES have Tsukuyomi and has used it twice if my memory serves me right. He used it on Killer B and on Danzo. It was even stated at those times that he was in fact using Tsukuyomi! What a lot of you are failing to understand, and it has been stated before in this thread, is that Sasuke does not have MASTERY over Tsukuyomi. Danzo even comments on how Sasuke's Tsukuyomi is inferior to Itachi's. Same can be said for Itachi. Itachi has MASTERY over Tsukuyomi as he is able to manipulate time and space with it. Sasuke has MASTERY over Amaterasu through Blaze Release...

4.) The fact that Madara Uchiha has Susanoo proves that he can in fact use Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi, because they are the PARENT JUTSU for said technique. This is really elementary. I don't understand how people can not put two and two together on this...

5.) Susanoo is said to be RARE among mangekyo users, and that can be understood based on the requirements to have it. Yes, it can be said that Mangekyo Sharingan techs are sort of unique between users. Look at Obito and Shisui. They both have totally different Mangekyo techs. Obito has Kamui and Shisui has Kotoamatsukami. One could even say that Kamui is really two abilities in one: Long-range Kamui (Kakashi) and short-range Kamui (Obito). Notice how both eyes possess different ranges of the same technique...

6.) You do NOT need the Mangekyo Sharingan to use Izanami and Izanagi. Those are techs ALL Uchiha can use if they posses the Sharingan (3-tomoe most likely). Obito used it against Konan with a 3-tomoe sharingan.

7.) Lastly, I have a THEORY as to why Madara, Itachi, and Sasuke possess the Susanoo. I believe that Susanoo is possibly an ability that is passed down in certain lineages amongst the Uchiha. I have a gut feeling that Itachi and Sasuke are direct descendants of Madara and thus possess the same abilities. Like I said, this is just a theory.

Anyways, That's all I really have to say on the matter. Excuse me if I seem like an ******* in this post, but some of you guys lack of understanding was really starting to annoy me haha.

Re: Obito's Susano'o

Susanoo is awakened with Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu. Madara has Susanoo and Tsukuyomi so it's apparent that he has Amaterasu. He just favors Susanoo and Tsukuyomi over Amaterasu so that's why he doesn't use it. Sasuke favors Susanoo and Amaterasu over Tsukuyomi that's why he rarely uses it. Itachi was a genjutsu base user so he favored Tsukuyomi most and rarely used Susanoo and Amaterasu but he's a all around fighter so we saw Amaterasu and Susanoo a good enough amount of times.

As for Obito he has 3 forms of kamui. Susanoo isn't one and it's also rare for an Uchiha to awaken those abilities.