That we do want it is more important than why we want it. (fewer clicks when working between different servers is my reason) When you don't deliver a product that does what your userbase wants, then they don't use it, so there are probably more than just me and jabohn still using 2.8.5 (although 3 not overwriting files right is a bigger reason why I haven't used it)

Just want to give my plug for the drawer/sidebar as well. I, too, miss it very much. Not only was it fewer clicks, but having my bookmarks list always visible was a handy reference for domain names and usernames of sites I'm working on.

I understand the argument of 'unified interface' and such, but the 'Log Drawer' is still a drawer (and it's definitely not unified...shoots of the bottom of my screen). In this case, it comes down to unified versus simplified; and the drawer seemed much simpler.

I'd disagree with this. If someone say wanted to have the UI to have cow spots on it, wouldn't you want to know why before you went through the trouble of implementing it? Understanding the reason why something needs to be done is probably more important than just the want expressed in my opinion.

jabohn wrote:I hate to sound like a broken record...I still miss the drawer. It is a big time saver at work.Downloaded 3.1, no drawer, deleted 3.1, back to 2.xI miss the drawer.

You should get used to not having it, because I don't think it will be coming back. The drawer is considered to be outdated for the most part. Most applications that used it have gotten rid of it or resorted to using a sidebar. The only place where I commonly find drawers are for network or application logging.

I'm one who misses the drawer as well. Being a developer, I also understand a change to an interface will have its critics and advocates. In this case though, why not allow for both options? Move forward with the unified interface, but also allow for the drawer option.

Even after months of using the newer version, I still miss the convenience of a drawer or sidebar and can't seem to get used to being without it. But it's obvious there are some users who like it this way just fine and other who are even glad to see it gone. Yet this is one of those situations where everyone can be happy...

What if the only change to the interface was that instead of toggling between bookmarks (history, etc.) and the FTP view, the bookmarks button slid a bookmarks pane to a default width each user would choose for themselves ? It would be like the iTunes playlist many have already used as an example except that you could also fully close it. If you set your bookmarks to fully closed, toggling them open to click a bookmark would also automatically toggle to FTP view. This doesn't even have to be a separate preference setting and the over all UI would be basically the same as it is now. Furthermore, there would be no additional clicking than there is now for those who like having no sidebar, but those of us who like the full-picture view that the drawer gave us would get an equally good (if not better) replacement and reduced clicks again.

I think this way everybody can be happy...... well, except the people who just want the other side to be miserable.

I had been using a rather old version (I think 3.2 something) on my home computer for a long time now, and still had the drawer until today I thought well why not, let's just upgrade and be done with it. I've noticed the drawer missing on coworkers computers before but figured they must have hit some configuration option or something, not realizing it was a design change you guys made permanently.

The drawer was *much* better. I have to toggle between servers all the time, the new way takes much more effort. Say what you want about clean interface design, you also want good interface design, and those two things aren't always necessarily the same. In this case, if you ask me, whatever the problems were with the drawer, they were worth overcoming. This is just not as good... it's inconvenient at best.

Please don't take this the wrong way - I actually paid for my company to have Fetch, and they all went out and downloaded Cyberduck anyway, because they love it so much, and honestly, I do too - I'm a big convert. Nothing beats that refresh button in the transfers window - it's like manna from heaven. I just think you had a great feature there, and I hate to see it go. Can't we make this something we toggle on and off in the preferences?? Can we eat our cake and have it too please?

And one more thing - when you bring back the drawer, can you make the bookmarks spring-loaded, so you can hover over a server, have that server load into the window, and then drop files from one server to another with one drag-drop operation? That'd be *hot*.