I did - that's why I commented. I use Chrome with Flash block. The little F popped up in the video box. When I enabled Flash, it began to play. Maybe the mobile site uses HTML and the PC site uses flash?

Adobe's Mobile Flash Pullback Puts Android Tablet Makers in Tough Spot - Ina Fried - Mobile - AllThingsDRIM, for its part, says it has licensed Adobe’s source code and plans to continue supporting Flash on the PlayBook and BB10 devices. “As an Adobe source code licensee, we will continue to work on and release our own implementations. RIM remains committed to delivering an uncompromised Web browsing experience to our customers, including native support for Adobe Flash Player on our BlackBerry PlayBook tablet (similar to a desktop PC browser), as well as HTML5 support on both our BlackBerry smartphone and PlayBook browsers” ...

I imagine that BBRY may no longer have a license to develop and release their own implementation of Flash in the browser. Or as others have hinted at, BB has decided it's no longer worth the cost to license and develop for their browser. I guess I can't blame them - - there are really so few developers that want to develop for BB nowadays. They are just going with the flow and sending a clear signal to the rest of the world. BB10 is too much effort to develop for, for too little reward.

I think the message is more along the lines of not wanting to straight-jacket themselves with having to continue working their OS/browser around a technology that has disappeared from the mobile space entirely.

If the numbers warranted it, I'm sure they would have continued to do so at great cost, but I'm sure they've done the math.

I think the message is more along the lines of not wanting to straight-jacket themselves with having to continue working their OS/browser around a technology that has disappeared from the mobile space entirely.

If the numbers warranted it, I'm sure they would have continued to do so at great cost, but I'm sure they've done the math.

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You keep saying this as though it's a fact. They aren't working anything around a technology that's disappeared. For starters, the technology has not only "not disappeared", it is in fact very much alive and kicking and will be for a long time. This is purely a cost saving measure. You won't see any better browsers or OS as a result of discontinuation of Flash development. In fact, you won't see anything. I'd be surprised if BlackBerry even mentioned that they killed Flash off. I bet they try to fly it under the radar.

You keep saying this as though it's a fact. They aren't working anything around a technology that's disappeared. For starters, the technology has not only "not disappeared", it is in fact very much alive and kicking and will be for a long time. This is purely a cost saving measure. You won't see any better browsers or OS as a result of discontinuation of Flash development. In fact, you won't see anything. I'd be surprised if BlackBerry even mentioned that they killed Flash off. I bet they try to fly it under the radar.

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Just saying here, from the responses of people actually running leaks, if they in fact do remove Flash, there will be a lot of outraged customers who rely on it.

Yes it may be the future, but now we need Flash and it's a great perk that differentiates them from the competition.

You keep saying this as though it's a fact. They aren't working anything around a technology that's disappeared. For starters, the technology has not only "not disappeared", it is in fact very much alive and kicking and will be for a long time. This is purely a cost saving measure. You won't see any better browsers or OS as a result of discontinuation of Flash development. In fact, you won't see anything. I'd be surprised if BlackBerry even mentioned that they killed Flash off. I bet they try to fly it under the radar.

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Arrrgh. Yes, desktop flash continues, but mobile flash was discontinued by Adobe themselves in 2011. So in the mobile space, it is a 3 year old technology. It is expensive and difficult to program around.

I'm sure they have a better handle than you on the number of flash users out there. Obviously they feel that continued support is not warranted.

Arrrgh. Yes, desktop flash continues, but mobile flash was discontinued by Adobe themselves in 2011. So in the mobile space, it is a 3 year old technology. It is expensive and difficult to program around.

I'm sure they have a better handle than you on the number of flash users out there. Obviously they feel that continued support is not warranted.

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Let's focus. The issue is the ease and degree to which BB10 devices can play flash content on the many, many websites that still, to this day, contain flash content. I just flew to D.C. on Southwest Airlines and the free inflight TV entertainment required a flash-capable device. My Z30 handled it with no problems. Plus, I can watch Amazon Prime movies using the mobile browser with flash. Just two recent examples of a business traveler's use of flash.

What about Conite's (oft repeated) statement that Adobe stopping development of flash in 2011? Let's settle this: BlackBerry has continued development of flash after that date, so Flash has been developed, by BlackBerry, much more recently. Flash works great on 10.3.0.14XX, a very recent OS build, so please give me a break with the 2011 routine. The point is that there is still flash content out there, and that the existing flash solution, at least in 10.3.0.14XX, is working great and should be made available to BlackBerry customers who wish to use 10.3.1.

This Flash-gate issue is responsible for now being the first time since I've had a BlackBerry that I haven't loaded the most recent leaked OS. It certainly makes a difference to me and to many others.

My hope is that Chen will do what is necessary to have flash back in 10.3.1 by the time the Classic launches in December. Perhaps he saved a month or two by waiting until December to re-license the flash source code. Just so long as he gets flash back on the latest OS, Chen and I could be cool.

Like I said before, this is about the math. Compare the license fees and ongoing development costs against the estimate of lost revenues (related to people who would leave the platform if Flash was removed).

People think I am against Flash. Hardly. All else being equal, of course I would love it if they kept it provided it does not compromise OS/browser development going forward in other ways.

I also want BlackBerry to make sound financial decisions. I assume they have a better handle on the figures than any of us do.

On a side note, I don't think we should get too carried away about how the BlackBerry Flash fork has been evolving. Adobe had dozens of software architects, engineers and coders in its mobile flash unit before it got disbanded in 2011. I couldn't imagine BlackBerry having more than one or two guys dedicated to flash. I think "development" is better described as "managing to keep it running". They have been quite effective so far. Perhaps they are now starting to hit some technical hurdles that are becoming more and more difficult (expensive) to overcome. Maybe that's why this has come to a head.

I'm just having a good natured discussion here folks. Enjoying all the points of view. It makes it tough when none of us really have many facts to go on. It would be awesome if someone from BlackBerry (preferably in browser development) would tell us something.

People think I am against Flash. Hardly. All else being equal, of course I would love it if they kept it provided it does not compromise OS/browser development going forward in other ways.

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Glad we all agree on the desirability of flash! We may need a "Save BlackBerry Flash support" campaign.

I sincerely hope that flash returns ASAP. I haven't heard a single shred of evidence that there are browser development issues involved in the current absence of flash on the 10.3.1 builds.

Heck, the browser hasn't changed noticeably in recent memory and certainly not in the last several builds. I'd be happy with the flash support that's present in the 10.3.0.14XX browser. The browser development produced by BlackBerry up to that version has been equal to the task, and results are all that matters to me.

Could it be money? Is Chen trying to save cash with this move? This is my primary suspect. Maybe he could sell more stickers or whatever to raise the cash.

All I can say is that BlackBerry is not offering enough value to even think about marching back what few advantages it offers to customers. The competition is simply too fierce.