4/20/13

more stupid questions

UPDATE: 4/26/13Living very near Boston, we have heard and read many things over the past few days. Things which do not add up. News from people we know about people in the hospital with serious injuries. And yet, we cannot find any videos or photos from the incident -- thus far -- to indicate where these other people were located at the time of the explosions. Given that the goal of the social engineers is to divide society, we see their hand at work. We understand they don't care about killing and maiming people, as obviously they do that all the time. But dividing society is another issue. They really want to divide the people in America. That's where the social engineers have had to get extra creative. Just killing Americans with Muslim terrorist brothers is more of a uniting thing for many Americans, and they don't want us united. In order to make it a Win Win Divide Bonanza, they have to do something a little different. Maybe throw in some fake perps, shopped photos, real photos, fake victims, real victims, the first bomb, the second bomb... and so on. Mix it all together. Hide things that would clear up confusion. Make it so everyone can see whatever they want to see. Make it chaos.It is quite diabolical. It allows for half truths, and mistakes, and instances of human error, both genuine and phony, to come into play. It facilitates a lot of disagreements and diversions about technical issues, and moral issues, and logic.Does it matter if people died and were maimed, or not? How could it not matter? To our mind, it makes all the difference in the world. For one thing it's the difference between life and death -- always important. For another thing it's the difference between truth and lies -- also always important. We don't like being lied to. So it matters to us.To anyone who thinks it doesn't matter whether people died or not, we suggest you go ahead into the next barroom and announce that you think it was all fake, and see what happens. You'll see that it matters very much to people, and that you are now a social outcast, and probably dangerous and crazy as well.We understand the nuance that the social engineers don't personally give a shit whether people die or not, but everything they do is to manipulate the audience. It's not important what they think, because we already know what they think. It's more important to understand what they want us to think. And they understand that we are already divided, which they worked very hard at, and now they want to drive the final wedge in there and break off the dangerous piece and send us off to die like a polar bear trapped on a chunk of ice in a global warming sea of doom. And that is why, instead of simply killing people straight out, they make everything lately into an extra-complicated mindfuck, followed in a few days by a fresh one. So is it worth reviewing the "performance" to tease apart the real from
the fake? Well it certainly is not easy, and it may be a waste of time
in the end, but yes of course it is worth doing. The truth is always
worth pursuing. We appreciate all the comments to this post, especially from my dear friend James, who has never failed to support me in trying to understand the events around us.Comments are closed.~ Peasant

UPDATE: My comment on the latest discoveries in comments:
Recap...
Homeland Preparedness / Medical Reserve Corp is part of DHS. (The people with the white Adidas jackets.)

The NY Daily News admits to doctoring photos.

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are remarkably only a handful of photos of a few of the victims for
everyone to analyze, causing no end to the chaos. Remarkably, there are
no photos of the dozens of other victims. Remarkably, photographers are
perched on the walkway above the finish line, with excellent cameras,
and can be seen after the explosions standing there.

Hmm.
Occam's Razor. Maybe the guy who looks exactly like spielberg is, you know, spielberg. Maybe, if they were trying to do something really risky, like pull a
big stunt off live, kind of like one of those flash mob things, maybe
the big boss himself would say, Hey guys, don't worry I will be there
myself to direct.??

It's risky yeah but don't worry, because if even if people SEE ME, or take pictures of me, they won't believe their own eyes.

I mean he could have just been there watching the marathon with a white Adidas jacket on hours after the winners finished, right? Or he could be just some guy who looks exactly like spielberg, right? Or it could be photoshopped in for some unknown inexplicable reason, like a trap for conspiracy theorists? Except he does show up in the group pics. Or... what is the explanation? How many flaming hulahoops can we jump through to explain this?

If you loose both your legs from explosive trauma half your blood is
gone in one minute via the femoral arteries, youre dead after two.
Bleeding out is worse with blunt force trauma (like shrapnel) because
flesh is torn rather than cut, exposing more arterial and vascular
tissue. The human body holds 5 to 6 LITERS of blood. If that really
happened you would see blood EVERYWHERE, the guy would be drenched in
it. You would also see what's called arterial spurtting from the injury.
Most likely he would vomit after turning ghost white from shock, then
turning delirious or passing out. As for the "tourniquet"...

I've never bought into the VicSim meme but I did find that post linked to by B'man pretty convincing. The image of that apparently poor guy being wheeled about on parade really grated. Have there been any reports of how this guy is recovering from his 'injuries'?

Conversely I have to say that the photo interpretation skills of the cluesforum is utter shit. Why is it so many people can't get their heads around perspective and parallax? All the endless claims of photoshop because 2 pics taken at the same time (near enough) but from different positions and with different lenses actually look different (funny that) is really getting old!

Something that bugs me - given that it was a false-flag (of course it was) what were the sniffer dogs for?

hey dubs, jimstonethenewrootoftruth (grimace) is saying that it was a missile strike on the fertilizer plant. ??

hey freethinker, good to have you weigh in. i am looking at the high def pics. there's a lot of smoke. there are definitely people behaving strangely in the smoke. the guy with hood and sunglasses for instance, is laying on the ground as a victim and then he is helping. several fat ladies standing around also. very little blood given the reported injuries.

as for the sniffer dogs, i am not sure how the social engineers do their thing. people reported the dogs and finding it strange. maybe it is a predictive programming technique. they have the dogs out, people see the dogs. later people tell themselves it makes sense. but it doesn't make sense except from the perspective that it was a security fail / false flag. not a doggie fail.

I was caught up in personal business, the need for family dialogue, et al but was glued to Boston local media for almost the entire 24 hours of the manhunt (and took copious notes). Am just now going through my usual Internet stroll to see what others are saying, how the 4Chan photos and other evidence or background is being turned up and analyzed, trying to filter out the disinfo and the propaganda, and thinking in the background about further proposals for coalitions of media and governmental watchers (techniques and technologies). I will post what I find; it is voluminous. I will try to add meaningful commentary as well.

That was a 24-hour-long psy-opera, which was of great interest given that I have lived in Eastern Mass. for 35 years and was employed in the EMS-related fields professionally for 15 of those. I don't believe the bombing was a hoax, but I am working on keeping my closure open. I say that less from a medical/trauma perspective or any medical expertise, but strictly from the fact that the Marathon is noted to be one of the most photographed and videoed events of the year, and there are scads of photos and videos available. Some of them can be misinterpreted. I say that because I find it hard to believe that acting could have occurred effectively inside a small area in which people stood five deep and at which virtually everyone was a witness. I've seen several pools of photos taken from elevated positions (likely windows in buildings) above the explosion sites.

At any rate, this (and other) events occurring are a primary and perhaps one of the final opportunities we all have to find functional common ground on "watching" and analyzing. Let's get it right.

hi sophia. from the medical standpoint, i think it is very relevant to have accurate information about the survival time of people who have had limb trauma, since we have been told figures of at least 14 amputations, 170+ wounded, etc.

is it possible or not for bauman to be conscious and alive many many minutes after losing both legs and presumably his blood supply? how long does it take for the cowboy hat guy to run off with him in the wheelchair? where is that in the photostream? how many minutes pass?

where are these many amputation victims mapping out at the crime scene? the images should show consistency because after all, there's no reason for there to be any fake images in a real disaster of this seriousness.

i saw one image of a mangled body, supposedly the boy who died, with no identifying context except the white dotted line lane marker in the street.

lots of smoke in some pics. yet in other pics there is no smoke. how long did the smoke take to clear? that would be another important question to reconcile with the photos.

i think the medical community and first responder community should be enlightening us. i notice in some pics certain people are waved away from the scene. why is that?

DSC03159 - cop stopping a guy taking pics at the bottomDSC03161 - cops definitely do not like this guy in the green cap, get him the fuck out of there. the guy in the red shirt is also alarmed about this interloper.DSC03166 - a guy in a red t-shirt white circle on back approaches, cop gestures to him, he is allowed into the mix. i guess he had the secret password?DSC03169 - a runner in orange shirt being blocked upper right corner, runner in turquoise shirt approaching bottom right. no sign of them in subsequent frames so they must have been sent away.DSC03176 - police tape up.

where is the line of ambulances i heard diane sawyer cooing about? one after another coming in to take away the victims? these pics do not show the victims being removed from the scene. they just disappear. why would hahatango (tango T = target) stop his photo stream at the part where the victims are taken away in ambulances?

hahatango writes: "I was at my office overlooking the boston marathon which is half a block from the finish line when the explosion went off while watching which was a shock.. I ran to grab my camera hoping to catch any leads but here is what i have. Please share if you feel these might lead to what occurred especially the before shots of that area of the 1st bombing."

he was taking pictures of runners coming in, and then he ran to grab his camera after the explosion? and please focus on the before shots, which he took before he grabbed his camera? ok sure dude, whatever.

where is the little boy who died, and his sister who had her leg amputated, and her mother with the head wound? where are the two brothers who each lost a leg, and their friend who lost a leg at the hip? where is the chinese student? where is the girl who died? i am seriously asking? where are these people in these pictures?

Brian Walker, another eyewitness, described the scene in the immediate aftermath of the explosions as “horrific.” “I saw some horrific wounds,” he told the Herald. Spectator John Ross told the paper how “somebody’s leg flew by my head.” “I gave my belt to stop the blood,” he said.

Meanwhile, Laura McLean was in the medical tent being treated for dehydration when she was moved out to make space for victims of the explosions. “There [were] people who are really, really bloody. They were pulling them into the medical tent,” she told the Associated Press (AP)

'Psy-Opera' - very good, they are way beyond the run of the mill psy-op now.

I suppose the dogs served 2 purposes (1 is never enough)-a) To goad the truthers, just as they did with Sandy Hook. In mainstream society's view the more truthers shout and scream against these blatant psy-operas the more heartless and crazy we look, and from our POV the more stupid the 'sheeple' become. Some say that people are waking up and getting wise - personally I don't see it. Society is more and more divided.b) To demonstrate that sniffer-dogs (and by association sniffer technology) are insufficient; pressure cookers are hermetically sealed dontcha know. You can look forward to even more invasive, humiliating, and demoralising full body searches, even in public, as this guy found out Boston Police Take Naked Man Into Custody

It's hard (for me at least) to believe that all the fatalities and injuries were fake. Has anyone seen an account of what casualties related to which bomb? Could one bomb have been fake and the other real (to some extent)?

What is not a conspiracy theory at all is that people not only voluntarily relinquished their freedom, they invited its loss and celebrated its death en masse…on the anniversary of Paul Revere’s midnight ride.

lockdown is not just for prisons anymore

Just wave your flag, pay your taxes, and stay white – you’ll be OK.

“So this is how liberty dies…with cries of thunderous applause.” Star Wars

How pathetic all of you that chanted this are. Now, bow and kiss more ass. Don’t think or do anything for yourselves. Leave that to the non-brainwashed. You might hurt yourself, and others.

Dzhokhar Tsarnayev, the suspect behind the Boston Marathon bombing who was arrested on Friday night, suffered a throat injury and may not be able to talk, a federal official told CNN on condition of anonymity."

"I’m standing in the check-out line of WholeFoods when the middle-age housewife mentions to the clerk that this whole Boston thing looks staged.Never before has a false-flag been exposed so quickly."

Hi AP, I haven't been around commenting much but I am still following. :) I found B'man's post convincing as well. Just in case you haven't seen this picture, it is the one of the Boston Marathon victim along with three pictures of army officer Nick Vogt who lost both his legs in Afghanistan. They look amazingly like the same person. The Pic is about 3/4 way down the post.

hey McJ, thanks. i am glad you also found b'man's post convincing. i admit i was on the fence but not being a medical person, it's really hard to judge things like how much blood a person can lose before passing out / dying etc. this is where one would really hope that first responder types would holler out bullshit, or whatever would be the realistic response to the images posted / not posted. there just comes a point where reality intrudes into hollywood fantasy. and if people attempted to help and were brushed away, where do they turn? maybe they will find some blogs. let us hope so because God knows they can tell ABCNBCMSNBCCNNBLAHBLAHBLAH till the cows come home, and their stories will never be told.

bauman = vogt may be a false lead. i just don't know but it would make sense for them to float something debunkable, which then discredits the entire "conspiracy" community. my guess is it is a different guy entirely.

dubs: just stay white and you'll be okay. hahahahahahahah, ok we are on the staying white part! break out the sunscreen peeps.

hey James,i was really surprised they caught him alive. this makes more sense. there is no reason to ever talk to the guy. either he should be dead or drugged into stupor ala holmes or this is a new twist -- permanently unable to talk. regrettables!

"bauman = vogt may be a false lead. i just don't know but it would make sense for them to float something debunkable, which then discredits the entire "conspiracy" community. my guess is it is a different guy entirely. "

Good point!

In that last link you posted above - the one from Cotocrew - is it just me or does that woman he is talking about in that first video look like a mannequin??

And haha James, I was just about to post a link about the bomber not being able to talk when I saw your link and AP's reply. :)

This is a summary comment taken from Kenny’s website. I cannot post there due to google and the blue block.http://kennysideshow.blogspot.com/2013/04/soft-martial-law-works-whats-next.html_________________________________________________________________________

“Dozens of officers and federal officials moved into the backyard on foot and as they neared the boat, Tsarnaev suddenly moved from his hiding place and raised his hand. He looked to be holding something.

>Maybe surrendering?

Immediately, officials opened fire. Officers backed off, keeping a distance of about 30 feet from the boat.

Worried that Tsarnaev might be wearing an explosive device, police brought in an armored vehicle, equipped with a robot that could peel back the wrap covering the boat for the winter.

>Why am I thinking overkill?

The standoff lasted nearly two hours, as officers watched the boat closely. “No movement,” they would report occasionally.

As the guy was bleeding inside the boat – almost as if they were waiting it out until he WAS dead!

Then, Tsarnaev stirred. He held his hands up. He was covered in blood.

>Yeah, police and authorities are now saying he shot himself in the neck in some sort of suicide attempt. Puhleeze! Right after a barrage of bullets?

Not taking any chances, officers began to hit the boat with flash grenades (sic), which emit a loud blast and a bright light designed to disorient suspects.

They used at least a dozen of the devices, trying to ensure as much as possible that Tsarnaev would be too stunned to fight back. SWAT officers then swarmed the boat.

From what I am gathering here HE NEVER EVEN FIRED BACK! And yet they DID ALL THIS?”___________________________________________________________________Now I used to be a cop so I know there were other ways to do this. Anyone there should know it is of prime importance for this man to live and tell his story. Why not talk to the guy first, you know say hey tsar, there are a lot of people here that would consider shooting you. Why don’t you put your hands over the edge of the boat. Do it after you take your shirt off and then slide your torso over slowly.

Now some say his brother had a bomb strapped to his waist, (which I have serious doubts about). You see his hands and then his torso and then explain you are coming over and put hand cuffs on him, so you know he can maybe have a trial and tell his side of the story.

You wouldn’t have to leave him in a boat bleeding for 2 hours this way. I have a real strong feeling this might have worked but we will never know because it seems nobody gave him that option. This way you leave the impression with the public he had a fair chance. You get him to a hospital faster so he has the opportunity to hear his side of events.

There is now a youtube out there from a woman who says she saw police shoot and then run over the older brother. I am not sure if true or how long it will be out there but it is something to consider.

I'm going to backtrack on accepting the FistOfFreedom EMT guy's conjecture. If it is impossible for Bauman to have survived having his legs blown off then how is it that Nick Vogt, who is supposed to be playing the role of Bauman, survived his injuries?

A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing - the EMT guy has only a little knowledge. I have since learned that arteries torn by blast tend to contract and close (to an extent). Bauman was very lucky to survive. The girl Kristle Campbell who died nearby after having a leg blown off was not so lucky. Her injuries were very high on the thigh where the arteries are larger.

The no-planes, no-victims, everything is Hollywood fakery memes are poison, and CluesForum is poison!

hey freethinker, it is true that many military survive amputations, obviously.

also agree that the no planes no victims memes are exceedingly dangerous territory, and forums are poison, yes. agreed there too, and not limited to cluesforum. forums are the stomping grounds of disinfo agents. so are blogs.

If so that's what I was alluding to in point a) of an earlier comment about one aim of this psy-op (like SH) was to goad us. I missed out the step in my logic that sniffer-dogs=drill=false-flag. I've never doubted it was a false-flag psy-opera (I like that term).

Like the video maker I hadn't realised the library was on the route and opposite one of the explosions. Hmm. From what I recall the MSM showed some fire at the back of the library.

In the 'BOSTONGATE!!! 100% PROOF' video where the bloke discusses the curious case of the vanishing Bauman, if you look at the stills this shakey-cam video was referencing and correlate what you see with the stills from a different angle in the EMT guy's thread you'll see that Bauman has not vanished at all he is simply behind the black woman. In fact you can see one of his stumps to the right of the woman's head.100% proof? - 100% bollocks more like.

well i guess we need more photos to determine where the other dozens of victims were, instead of the same handful of photos that keep being passed around as evidence, showing the same victims. then of course, conveniently, everyone passed their photos in to the fbi for safekeeping.

You mention at the beginning that they turn up with lots of wheelchairs after the explosions. The first thing I thought after reading that, was that wheelchairs are not an item people keep around "cuz we could need them". Or am I missing something?

Haven't looked at the pics yet, am becoming too sensitive to carnage pics after 12 years of post-9/11.

Yes i saw that and read some of the comments. Of course for the most part it looks like various people claiming to be medical professionals giving multiple answers to the question at hand.

What is more telling to me is that this whole thing is revolving around the same few pics of the same guy when there are allegedly dozens of people who lost limbs. Very strangely, photographers at the scene did not notice them.

It is difficult to discuss all this in an asynchronous context (we are all at different times in reality, we all have not seen all the latest evidence, opinion, etc. ) Since my earlier comment I have posted three extensive pieces on the manhunt, media coverage, and post-hunt Internet material. The most telling thing I saw, based on my own understanding and experience, is that suspects were both taken to the same hospital staffed by Israelis, and I saw the CEO step forward in an awkward and unusual way to approach the mike during the first press conference after the dead brother was brought there and clearly broadcast a pre-arranged signal to someone via the airwaves. The coordination of EMS systems in mass casualty incidents is where most of my professional expertise was and the system I know best is the Massachusetts system in which I participated professionally. I have never seen a CEO act that way in any event or press conference. Most CEO's aren't anywhere near the press conference.

As for the issue of survival after traumatic amputation, the answer is that the body has the ability to survive for some time; the very nature of the body's fight-or-flight system shuts the extremities down and preserves all blood flow almost instantly to save the internal (abdominal) organs. But one should ask a trauma surgeon whose done triage on-site at such events. Like maybe Joe Waeckerle, M.D. (Hyatt Regency hotel collapse), whom I invited to present on his experience at the trauma management symposium I ran for the Mass. Chapter of ACEP at Waterville Valley. He actually had to do an amputation in the rubble in order to save a life.

there are remarkably only a handful of photos of a few of the victims for everyone to analyze, causing no end to the chaos. remarkably, there are no photos of the dozens of other victims. remarkably, photographers are perched on the walkway above the finish line, with excellent cameras, and can be seen after the explosions standing there.

hmm. maybe, if they were trying to do something really risky, like pull a big stunt off live, kind of like one of those flash mob things, maybe the big boss himself would say Hey guys, don't worry i will be there myself to direct.??

it's risky yeah but don't worry, because if even if people SEE ME, or take pictures of me, they won't believe their own eyes.

Why is it so many people can't get their heads around perspective and parallax?

Hi Freethinker, I understand perspective to some degree (and you've talked a bit on it) but clueless on parallax. Anyway, I'd be most appreciative if you could elaborate a little more on these for me and how they apply to the photos in question.

Trying to put it simply and briefly-Perspective is how the perceived size of things changes as you move closer or away from a scene. As you move closer to a scene the closer objects appear to enlarge more than distant objects.Parallax is how the alignment of objects in a scene change as you move from side to side.Not difficult, folk might not recognise the words but we all experience the effects so we should all intuitively understand these 'illusions'.

I made that comment in exasperation at the stupid arguments on the cluesforum link given by APhttp://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?p=2383138&sid=2669e2af1afc50a03a4ab198dae587c3#p2383141So here we have a long shot from a high point being compared to a close shot from the ground. In fact the photographer of the 2nd shot is shown in the 1st. I can't see anything incompatible between these 2 images (can you?) but according to the author "This must be photoshop/virtual reality work, no way around it." There we go more '100% proof of media fakery'. Because this guy can't get his head around perspective and parallax it must be photoshop/virtual reality.

Hi Freethinker, this is interesting. First off, I was genuine in not understanding parallax. Or more correctly, I understood it (as you pointed out generally) but did not know the name for it - like when a camera pans around while looking at the headstones in a military cemetery and how they line up in different ways?

I know a bit about perspective, as I said, but didn't know if you might be referring to some wrinkle that pertained to photography.

I could have looked all this up, of course, but that would not have told me what was upsetting you in particular with this link that APea gave. So thanks for indulging me.

I noticed that the link you gave was a little different to the one APea gave. Hers goes to the top of the page whereas yours goes further down the page to the two pictures where perspective and parallax that you mentioned are (and what I asked for).

What is interesting for me is that the commenter alleging photoshopping was doing so from the point of view that both pictures represent the exact same moment in time and therefore must have been photoshopped. He said the apparent differences were due to the very same perspective distortions that you mentioned. So he was agreeing with you as far as that went. His conclusion from that is obviously different to yours but it was because he too couldn't "see anything incompatible between these 2 images". (Can you?) No, I can't either.

In fact, if you look at the foot of the cop on the right who is moving (and probably running), you will see his foot at the same distance from the road proving the commenter's point that both photos were taken at exactly the same instant. This led him to believe (rightly or wrongly) that photoshopping had taken place but not because of the perspective (and parallax) changes you thought but rather to induce the changes in perspective and parallax. I hope I haven't laboured this too much!

Following APea's link which goes to the top of that page, I came across the picture of the blast as it happened and where it was, outside Starbucks. And then the second picture focussing on the building, Forum, next door to Starbucks. Yet this is the building (Forum) the media was saying is where the blast occurred. But it is obvious from the first picture that it was outside the building next door to it - Starbucks.This doesn't add up.

Another point made at that link is that the Starbucks windows are still intact. Which they are! How is that if a bomb full of nails and shrapnel went off right in front these windows?

I think these are all very valid points for APea linking to this page. These photos speak for themselves and say something is very wrong with the Govt/media story.

"I made that comment in exasperation at the stupid arguments on the cluesforum link given by AP"I'm sure you didn't mean it but this sounds to me like you could be saying that AP is stupid for linking to that page or perhaps that site. It's at least ambiguous so maybe you would like to clear that up.

APea, I do apologise if my careless use of words caused offence. I regard you as the very opposite of stupid (I think James was being a tad overprotective there). It's not often we disagree and on this occasion the only substantial disagreement I have with you is that I find it very hard to buy into the VicSim meme.

In an earlier comment I asked if anyone was suggesting that Krystle Campbell was a fake and indeed there is one posting (that I can find) on cluesforum that makes that claim, using the term VicSim. I believe that anyone else claiming that Bauman is a fake should have the integrity to come out and declare Campbell to be a fake also. Having seen the last few moments of that poor girls life caught on camera I can't accept that it was fakery without very strong proof. I don't see a high standard of proof on many sites and postings that involve photo examination. I explained why the video 'BOSTONGATE!!! 100% PROOF' is 100% bollocks. Sadly this standard of 'proof' is all too common.

I get your point about Spielberg - it is reminiscent of Billy Wilder's cameo performance in one of the holocost propaganda films. I doubt Spielberg gets very hands-on with his film making these days, and I don't for a moment really think that that was him pushing the stretcher. I'll concede that it does look very like him in the trolley shot, in other shots not so much.

The bottom line is that it changes nothing regarding whether the victims were real or actors. It might be easier to handle on an emotional level to think that they were actors but the psy-op works just the same on the masses, and is just as transparent to us regardless.

hi freethinker. i appreciate the comment. be assured that i am in no way upset. in fact i think you may be more emotionally impacted than i am by the events.

seeing the photos of victims in this case is no more or less upsetting to me than seeing the thousands of photos of babies, children and adults killed and maimed by team nato + israel over the years. i am also not at all upset by people asking questions and in fact it is my intention to broaden the focus on this case rather than accept the artificially contrived narrow focus that we are being constantly wedged into. rather than deny what we are seeing is real, i am asking why is there no other information to confirm it. ??? to date i have not heard a single coherent explanation for why there are not more photos available, given the photographers noted all over the area. seems to me it should be very easy to ascertain the specifics about these people in question, and the many other victims, except for the inexplicable dearth of information.

i do ask not to be conflated with other forums or blogs, and their arguments and memes, whether i link to them or not. i have not brought the term "vicsims" into the conversation. i am not a "no planer." i take responsibility for what i write at TB. i don't think you will find a post about those terms because i don't think i have written one. i do not take responsibility for what other people write at other sites, or in the comments here. i may or may not agree with them. i am not obligated to divulge every last thought i may have. i assure you, living as i do near boston, with only about 2 degrees of separation from this event, it would be 1000% easier for me to hop on the bandwagon.

as for spielberg, or not spielberg, we may as well be discussing the existence of God, wouldn't you say? maybe we can ask him.... oh wait, i don't have his number. i don't think he would take my call anyway. spielberg i mean. God might someday. we'll see.

I'm certainly not accusing you of promoting 'VicSims' or 'No-Planes' but by the same token when I attack these memes I'm not attacking you.

"it is my intention to broaden the focus on this case rather than accept the artificially contrived narrow focus that we are being constantly wedged into. rather than deny what we are seeing is real, i am asking why is there no other information to confirm it. ??? to date i have not heard a single coherent explanation for why there are not more photos available, given the photographers noted all over the area. seems to me it should be very easy to ascertain the specifics about these people in question, and the many other victims, except for the inexplicable dearth of information"

It was my contention that Sandy Hook was a wholly media controlled psy-op; that it was mostly real but the media portrayal was deliberately control so as to make it look fake (I hope I'm wrong and those 20 kids eventually surface somewhere, but I doubt it); a deliberate provocation to the 'truthers'. With Boston they are trying a different experiment; from a dearth of info to a seeming glut of info; from a sterile crime scene to one covered in blood and casualties. But it is still carefully controlled; it is still an event. These guys can mix and match theatre with reality at will. There is not the slightest chance that you will hear a coherent explanation for why there are no more photos. You know that.

After I've responded to James I'll butt-out, I've unintentionally antagonised you and I think we are at cross-purposes.

There are some of us who like to know just who is bombing Americans, who is helping them and who is covering it up and why it always happens when some kind of drill is ongoing.

It might possibly be that some of the more confusing things concerning the Boston Marathon are beginning to make sense. Dick Eastman has film which clearly show Dzhokhar with a white back pack. The bomb was in a black back pack. Photos we have seen show him with no back pack. This is Eastman’s theory of why not many photos have been released. There are many photos apparently that show him in a white back pack but they are not being released.

http://rense.com/general95/eastpack.html

“If the second explosion was the black backpack than Suspect 2 Dzhokhar Tsarnaev should not be a suspect at all. His backpack was white.”

There is also the last entry on facebook by Dzhokhar:

“This will be the last message before the police get me. I never done it. They set me up. Father please forgive me. I am sorry it come to this. “

There have been discussions at such sites as

http://kennysideshow.blogspot.com/

concerning why some of the pictures of the marathon looks so staged. It may well be a good possibility that one of the two blasts were just a flare and the other was deadly. It does indeed now look like hospitals are treating some injured people. If this is the fact the situation, it sets up an excellent paradigm to simply say all of the film shown by civilians on the scene and some taken from cameras is invalid. It could simply be passed off as more loony talk and pics from the conspiracy people. In fact various officials have already cautioned the public to accept only the pictures they put the stamp of approval on. I know it was my initial reaction after Sandy Hook. I thought more of the same, no photos, no cameras, no interviews with parents or teachers and conflicting stories. Just believe whatever we say happened.

As for the dead policeman Eastman speculates that Dozhokhar could have gone to turn himself in and realized someone had already shot the policeman. I know speculation but that is all any of us are doing at this point with so little information available.

The police chief is now saying that he does not know if Dozhokhar fired any weapons or has any weapons. What we do know is he has been shot 4 times, is heavily sedated, has a wound in the neck they say hinders speech, is partially deaf from flash grenades and is in serious condition at Beth Israel hospital. Speculation in the press that he is “confessing” does not coincide with the final message on his face book where he claims innocence.

These guys can mix and match theatre with reality at will. There is not the slightest chance that you will hear a coherent explanation for why there are no more photos. You know that.

i do know that. therefore, i do not accept any of their bogus evidence chain until it makes sense. the victim photos do not make sense, therefore i do not accept them as evidence of the narrative presented, emotional content notwithstanding. it is clear you have accepted a lot more of their narratives, both in this case and in SH, than i have.

* Why Dzhokhar most likely tried to contact the campus policeman he know to turn himself in to them -- after he found out that he was wanted -- and that someone else shot the MIT campus police officer in the head to prevent that from happening

"Following APea's link which goes to the top of that page, I came across the picture of the blast as it happened and where it was, outside Starbucks. And then the second picture focussing on the building, Forum, next door to Starbucks. Yet this is the building (Forum) the media was saying is where the blast occurred. But it is obvious from the first picture that it was outside the building next door to it - Starbucks.This doesn't add up."

APea's link is to the page not to any specific post (as far as I can tell).I had a hard time finding the photo you were referring to:

a) you didn't direct me to a specific post; I spent a while tracking all the links on the top post to no avail before looking about 6 posts down (maybe the page breaks are different in my browser from yours, that can happen) shortly after the typically shitty (IMHO) post:-Vicsim "Ligzi Liu"Blue lines on white background & fake analog effect...http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1318955!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_635/lingzi-lu-2.jpg What the hell was that about? What is gained by slandering this young girl?

b) I don't see any explosion in front of Starbucks, but I see an explosion in front of a black building (Forum) in this pic-http://img.chinasmack.com/www/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/2013-boston-marathon-bombing-01-explosion-near-finish-line.jpgThen I read the text within the post: "The explosion is clearly happening in front of the starbucks and not the Forum cafe".So clearly this is the pic you are referring to James.

Sorry, it is as clear as day to me that the explosion (a rather tame one I have to say) is in front of Forum and not Starbucks. We are viewing the scene at a fairly acute angle and the sidewalk is very wide so there is a lot of parallax to account for but I honestly don't understand how any intelligent person (and you are a very intelligent person James) can look at that scene and say that the explosion was in front of Starbucks. I guess or brains are just wired differently. Were you influenced by reading the text first?

So no inconsistencies here; all the pics show a blast in front of Forum and cluesforum is full of shit as usual.

"First off, I was genuine in not understanding parallax." Sometimes I forget not everyone is a techno-geek like me.

"I noticed that the link you gave was a little different to the one APea gave. Hers goes to the top of the page whereas yours goes further down the page to the two pictures where perspective and parallax that you mentioned are (and what I asked for).

What is interesting for me is that the commenter alleging photoshopping was doing so from the point of view that both pictures represent the exact same moment in time and therefore must have been photoshopped. He said the apparent differences were due to the very same perspective distortions that you mentioned. So he was agreeing with you as far as that went. His conclusion from that is obviously different to yours but it was because he too couldn't "see anything incompatible between these 2 images"

In case you hadn't gathered by now I think cluesforum is shit, it's a red-rag to me, I don't understand why any intelligent person wastes time on them (but they do). Anthony Lawson puts it more eloquently: September Clues - Busted! So I have to concede my off the cuff comment about their shitty photo interpretation skills was not as rigorously justified as it might have been.

APea linked to the page, not to a specific post, as far as I could tell, and so I read some of the posts as my blood pressure rose. Anyway I came upon the discussion of the 2 pics from different perspectives. It caught my attention as I noticed with Sandy Hook there was a great deal of misunderstanding about parallax, perspective, and the use of long and short lenses. My link was to the first of these but there are many more down the page. The discussion relates to 2 perceived anomalies: a) the temporal anomaly - the impossibility of 2 photos being taken at the same time; b) the spacial anomaly - inconsistencies in the perspective. Either of which would support their prejudiced opinion that the photos were fake. Their methodology seems to be: the image looks too good to be true so therefore it must be fake, now lets find a way to prove that its fake.

The Temporal Anomaly-It's an action picture, an iconic action shot used on all media reports. Most of the 'heroes' are on one foot and would be off balance if it were a static pose, so they are moving. One guy on the right seems to be accelerating to the right from a standstill, so he's not yet moving quickly. The 2 guys at the front are nearly on top of the fallen runner and the marshal and photographer, and their stride is short, so they can't be moving very quickly.The 2 pics are taken at the same moment as near as makes no difference, ie within a small fraction of a second. Is it impossible for 2 pics to be taken at the same time without explicit synchronization? No, it might seem unlikely but consider that professional action-photographers all use cameras with a 'rapid fire' facility (it used to be called motor drive, I don't know what the current jargon is) eg a random hi-end camera, the Nikon D7100, can shoot stills at 7 frames per second; pros know a 'good shot' when they see it and there will be a high degree of agreement on what makes a good shot; the pictures we see have been selected (by whom?) and just maybe these 2 were selected to cause mischief, but it could just be blind luck.Not proven.

The Spacial Anomalies-I don't have the time or patience to refute each of the weird claims made regarding supposed spacial anomalies that are brought up to 'prove' media fakery but here are a few- "Considering our frame of reference for the physical location of the photographer provided by the first image, could even the most advanced wide-angle lens, used from that position, possibly provide the perspective shown in the second image?" Yes. Pros use very high quality very expensive lenses."Yet: notice how the foreground couple of superheroes scrambling into action looks exactly identical, with almost no changes in perspective and proportions despite the remarkable differences in point of views." The 2 heroes are (near enough) the same distance from the cameras so there shouldn't be much difference. If you look closely the heroes shown in the long high shot look a little more squat, just as they should. "In this next picture the white line looks painted on, added on top of the rest of the image."No it doesn't. "The position of yellow jacket guy relative to the white line doesn't match up at all between the picture above," Yes it does if you can imagine the scene from the point of view of the photographer close to the yellow jacket guy. BTW I wish I had his wide angle lens, very nice.I see no Spacial anomalies.

I'm not saying that media fakery doesn't exist. I think this analysis has merit-http://worldunitednews.blogspot.ca/2013/04/proof-that-ap-photo-being-used-to.html

A few more things in the blogosphere (not TB!) I'd like to address quickly without links while I'm at it, and if you don't know what I'm talking about then just ignore it-There are pictures of a store front with 2 large windows and glass on the sidewalk. This is taken as 'proof' that the bomb was inside as the blast would blow the glass out - right? Well if you look closer the inner pane of the left hand double-glazed unit is intact. How can the outer pane be broken and the inner intact if the bomb were inside?

Fragments of a pressure cooker have been shown but they don't have holes from the ball bearings and shrapnel so that's 100% proof of fakery! Well no it isn't, but it does show the very limited understanding most people have of physics. When the bomb is ignited inside the pressure vessel the pressure will rise rapidly until the point of rupture. Then the fragments of casing will fly out followed by the shrapnel inside. The shrapnel is accelerating from standstill and so at the point of detonation has zero kinetic energy and zero momentum. Some time after detonation the shrapnel will overtake the larger (hence more aerodynamic drag) casing fragments. At that point it might be possible for a casing fragment to be perforated by shrapnel but 'it ain't necessarily so'.

hi freethinker, i am sorry this is so exasperating. you do obviously have a lott of technilcal background and you no doubt see things and understand them where others like me may not. it is not in dispute that some explosions happened. and i can accept that you are correct on the issues you raised. there are other issues however that remain. we o not have to get into them. therre are simply too many questions and not enough answers.

i have to jump back in and add, as i got more info today on a personal level, that the whole thing does not add up. there is either a problem with the photostreams available on the internet -- ie meaning that the internet is very effectively scrubbed more than we might even dare to imagine -- OR, there is a problem with the victim narratives. it is one or the other. and either way, the problem is total mindfuckery by the deep state. i don't even know what to say anymore except it does not compute.

works fine for me and goes to the top of the page and the pictures in question. I don't know why your browser goes elsewhere. I haven't come across that before.

To your points-a) again the link works fine for me. The picture on that page of the girl with white and blue top that you mentioned has nothing to do with what I was talking about. I understand it has to do with your estimation of the site in general but no one here is advocating for or defending that site.

b) Yes, that's the picture of the explosion and yes you are right. I was fooled by the parallax effect. I learnt something! :)

My first comment I made on this post was to find out about perspective and parallax. My second comment was to defend Apea's posting of that link as a reasonable thing to do. And still is. There were things wrong with the opinions of those pictures on that Cluesforum page and you have now pointed some things out. That's all as it should be.

But this is not helpful to fruitful discussion-

“there is a lot of parallax to account for but I honestly don't understand how any intelligent person (and you are a very intelligent person James) can look at that scene and say that the explosion was in front of Starbucks.“

and this-

“In case you hadn't gathered by now I think cluesforum is shit, it's a red-rag to me, I don't understand why any intelligent person wastes time on them (but they do).”

I don't say things like that to you.

The rest of your comment, though informative, does not address anything I said. Which is ok, of course, but it belongs in a separate comment addressed to the general readership. All I was concentrating on was that you misread the cluesforum guy's reasoning pertaining to perspective and parallax and I was trying to explain what his reasoning was and because that was pertinent to your initial explanation. I was not debating photographic technicalities because I was not personally making any claims about those pictures. Besides, I am even more clueless on this subject than those on that forum, as I've already conceded :)

I still have your email address, so I'll write to you offline later in my day. Take care, James

Aangirfan has turned up an interesting article indicating Tamerlan Tsarnaev was recruited by Georgia’s Caucasus Fund, an organization run by the Jamestown Foundation which I have seen pieces before linking them with the company.

Now we know uncle Ruslan who says the boys are guilty was working for USAID a company affiliate also. He is now a “Duke” lawyer. Their aunt in Canada has that wild look in her we sometimes see among the tribe. Do you think the whole bunch of them could simply be tribe and pulling off a smooth one?

Lets face it, the only ones who have seen the bodies of the two brothers are supposedly a few police, the swat team that shot up the boat, medics and members of the hospital staff at Beth Israel, that includes the Israeli doctors supposedly working on him. Very few people can verify if either one of them are really dead or actually wounded. Last I read nobody has claimed a body. For all I know both of them could be on a plane to a villa somewhere. It will be interesting to see if this guy makes it to trial. He might just have a “relapse” and that is the last we hear of him leaving behind a “confession under sedation by Israeli doctors” and officials.

The day after the Boston bombing my city, another "liberal bastion", declared they were putting up 100 more surveillance cameras in the city. Just like that. The newspaper didn't say who decided, where the money was coming from or anything else. It was just announced as fact and I haven't heard a word of concern.This is the same city (Madison, Wi) where you usually can find a protest every week. And the city known for its Vietnam war protests and university bombing.Now - I don't think anyone cares about ideals, constitution, civil liberties. Sure, the right and left still argue, but it's pretty much all bullshit and amounts to nothing.And I find the "watch out for mentally ill" people meme becoming louder by the day. You know, we gotta make sure everyone is medicated so they can have a "happy" life and not kill anyone. More bullshit. It's getting knee deep here.Kitty

"the problem is total mindfuckery by the deep state". I think you have your finger on the essential issue. Such technique has been long and well documented; it is an art form stretching back centuries, starting with the Perfectibilists and improved on a regular basis, updated for new technologies, changing culture (driven by their purposeful changes), modernized, paid for by the taxpayer but not open to our inout or direction.

I have been thinking for some time -- in the background, when there aren't day-to-day events and personal pressures, or incidents like the one we are discussing -- about the need for some collaboration or cooperation among people. Call it what you will; alternative media for democracy (there's a symposium at Gopddard College soon involving more than one gatekeeper); a league or association of bloggers, journalists, and others who can teach each other more, especially about critical thinking and review, and who can join together in association without giving up their independence of view or freedom of expression, and yet by working together assign roles based on abilities and sources and knowledge, and have a greater impact than 30 monks in the jungle with a keyboard. Franklin said we should all hang together or assuredly we will be hung together. Well, old Ben may not have been the most stalwart fellow, but I'll borrow on his phrase. Based on what I saw on the media this past week, we ought to be able to outthink them. This past even seemed to be made transparent by the alternative media at a faster pace than ever before.

[And please don't assume this means I wish to be seen as one of the leading practitioners; I still have lots to learn.)

Kenny,Yes that's the frontage I was talking about in my ramble. The windows are double-glazed; on the right both inner and outer panes have been broken; on the left only the outer pane is broken, so there is a reflection from the inner pane. That proves that the theory that the windows were blown out from inside is wrong.My theory for what its worth is that the windows were not broken by the blast (which wasn't very powerful) but from shrapnel. On the right something hard had enough energy to break both panes and on the left something had enough energy to break only the outer pane.The breakage is entirely consistent with the reported event.

APea, I'm sorry we've had this misunderstanding. Really there is very little between or points of view. I speak plainly, I don't use spin, I think if you re-read my comments you will see I have not spoken against you. James's input, no doubt well intentioned, has not helped.

I offer this suggestion-it might be helpful to separate the performance from the narrative.Consider this statement-'the powers that be are prepared to kill and maim to further their agenda'I consider that to be true (not narrative), but from your previous comments to me I infer that you think that it is narrative.Please don't react defensively to that, just consider it.

Personally I don't think there is much to be gained by examining the 'performance' in microscopic detail, but for those that do I wish them luck.

hi freethinker,i hope you and James can take it offline, first off. this cluesforum issue is just really a flashpoint, so i need to understand more about why that is so, and will do some looking into it but if you have any specifics please enlighten me.

i do agree with your statement that they are willing to kill to advance their agenda. obviously yes. many times. this is not in question. they are also willing to fake things to divide people paying attention. that might be their more pressing task at this juncture. if so, i have to say they are doing a great job.

paying attention is what is causing all the problems we are having with these events, because when one pays attention to the data provided, one sees that it all does not make sense. even if the photos are not shopped, where are the other injured people?

Late to the party as ever. Glad to see you're still into things. Also glad to see you and the other punters here are taking the vicsims meme with a grain of salt. Me, I don't dismiss it utterly but I don't see it as being any kind of lay down misere either.

Just a quick note on parallax since perspective was my bread and butter: in this case parallax may as well be viewed as an error function within perspective. Invariably whenever you hear the word parallax it will be in the phrase 'parallax error'. You will encounter parallax error every time you use a ruler to measure something. Since the ruler has a thickness unless you are directly over the mark you cannot get an accurate measurement. Were you to view the ruler from an angle, depending on how great the angle was, you could be out by a mm or so - no good if you're woodworking to a tenth mm accuracy.

Also, just to clear James up: parallax does not occur when you pan a camera. Okay, maybe it does but only to a tiny degree and that by way of the inaccuracies present in lens distortion. Which is to say a pan will minimise parallax. To maximise parallax you have to move the camera. In a pan of a scene, things in the foreground will move almost not at all in regards to things in the background. But were you to put the camera in a car and drive past your aforementioned cemetary there would be parallax galore with foreground objects sliding past background ones.

Sorry to be so pedantic but you're speaking my language. Otherwise I'm in broad agreement that punters out there are far too quick to jump on photoshop fixing as an explanation for photographic and filmic anomolies. As I've said elsewhere, these bits of weirdness aren't actually particularly weird and occur all the time.

Besides which, (and did someone say Occam's razor just now?) I can't see the point in faking this stuff when the death cult is only too happy to kill people for real. I expect that if they were forced to come up with a one line mission statement it would probably consist of 'the more dead the better'. And here we are imagining that they're somehow too squeamish to blow up real people. I don't think so.

AP - I know you are still out there in the firmament waiting for your time to go back out on the attack.

Keep the sickos guessing I say.

Carol x

PS they are following me around on line, shutting down links, shutting down sites and have some way of stopping search engines showing results etc etc. That does not bode well for the internet. Suggest that they have given up trying to live with the internet?

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