15. JOAN TROUTBECK, born in 1459. She married (1st) WILLIAM BOTELER, Knt., 2nd but eldest son and heir of John Boteler, Knt., of Bewsey (in Warrington), Burtonwood, Great Sankey, etc., Lancashire, by his 1st wife, Margaret, daughter of Peter Gerard. he was born 25 Nov. 1450. They had no issue. SIR WILLIAM BOTELER died 8 Jun 1471. His widow, Joan, married (2nd) (as his 1st wife) WILLIAM GRIFFITH, K.G., of Penrhyn, Caernarvonshire, Marshal of the King's Hall, Chamberlain of North Wales, son of Gwilym Fychan ap Gwilym (otherwise know as William Griffith), Marshal of the King's Hall, deputy of various Chamberlains of North Wales, by his 1st wife, Alice, daughter of Richard Dalton, Knt. He was born about 1447. They had one son, William, Knt., and three daughters, Jane (wife of William Herbert, Knt.), Margaret (wife of Nicholas Dutton, Knt., and Simon Thelwall), and Ann (wife of __ Winnington). He married (2nd) ELIZABETH GREY, daughter of Robert Grey, Esq., Constable of Ruthin Castle. They had one son, William Grey, and one daughter, Alice (wife of Pierce Vychan, of Coetmor). SIR WILLIAM GRIFFITH died in 1505 or 1506.

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Joan (Jane) TROUTBECK

Born: ABT 1459, Mobberley, Cheshire, England

Notes: The Griffiths of Penrhyn were one of the most powerful families in North Wales at the time and were a branch of the Tudor family descended from Ednyfed Fychan (d. 1246) and the Welsh royal and princely houses. The half-sister of Sir William (according to some pedigrees, but possibly his daughter), Agnes Griffith (d. 1542), married Sir Roland de Velville.

12. JOAN TROUTBECK, born in 1459. She married (1st) WILLIAM BOTELER, Knt., 2nd but eldest son and heir of John Boteler, Knt., of Bewsey (in Warrington), Burtonwood, Great Sankey, etc., Lancashire, by his 1st wife, Margaret, daughter of Peter Gerard. He was born 25 Nov. 1450. They had no issue. SIR WILLIAM BOTELER died 8 June 1471. His widow, Joan, married (2nd) (as his 1st wife) WILLIAM GRIFFITH, K.B., of Penrhyn,Caernarvonshire, Marshal of the King's Hall, Chamberlain of North Wales, son of Gwilyn Fychan ap Gwilym (otherwise know as William Griffith), Marshal of the King's Hall, deputy to various Chamberlains of North Wales, by his 1st wife, Alice, daughter of Richard Dalton, Knt. He was born about 1447. They had one son, William, Knt., and three daughters, Jane (wife of William Herbert, Knt.), Margaret (wife of Nicholas Dutton, Knt., and Simon Thelwall), and Ann (wife of ——Winnington). He married (2nd) ELIZABETH GREY, daughter of Robert Grey, Esq., Constable of Ruthin Castle. They had one son, William Grey, and one daughter, Alice .... etc.

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OTHER REFERENCES HAVE DIFFERENT MOTHER FOR ALICE DALTON

Alice Dalton1,2

F, #90658, b. circa 1424

Father Sir Richard Dalton1,2 b. c 1390

Mother Isabel Stanley3

Alice Dalton was born circa 1424 at of Althorp, Northamptonshire, England.1 She married William Fychan ap Gwilym, (?) Deputy Chamberlain of North Wales, son of Sir Gwilym Griffeth and Janet Stanley, circa 1444.1,2

Between 1431 and 1531, the son, grandson and great-grandson of Gwilym ap Griffith held the Penrhyn estate and added to it. They succeeded in allying themselves with prominent English houses, especially the Stanleys, which began with the marriage of Gwilym ap Griffith with Joan Stanley of Hooton. Gwilym Fychan, the son of that marriage, married before 1447, Ales daughter and heiress of Sir Richard Dalton of Althorp, Northants. The marriage reflects the Stanley connection, as Ales Dalton was the granddaughter of Isabel de Pilkington by her second marriage, whose daughter by Thomas de Lathom, her first husband, brought Lathom and Knowsley to the Stanleys. Gwilym Fychan married secondly, Gwenllian, daughter of Iorwerth ap David. Robert, his eldest son by this marriage, was the ancestor of the family of Griffith of Plas Newydd, Anglesey, and Llanfair-is-gaer, Caernarvonshire. Edmund the second son founded the estate of Carreg-lwyd, Anglesey. His son and heir from his first marriage was William Griffith (ca.1445-1505/6). He is not always easy to distinguish in the documents from his father. He married firstly Joan Troutbeck, widow of Sir William Butler of Bewsey, Cheshire, whose mother was Margaret, daughter of Sir Thomas Stanley, first Baron Stanley.

Visitation ends with this generation, identifying Robert as "of Thurnham". This is presumed to be the Robert who is the first mentioned by Commoners, being described therein as "of Bishpam and Pilling, who acquired by purchase, in 1556, the manor and estate of Thurnham" and who was succeeeded by his nephew.

(n) Thomas Dalton

m. Anne Molyneux (dau of Sir Richard Molyneux of Sefton)

((1)) Robert Dalton of Thurnham (d 1626)

This is probably the Robert who married Elizabeth Hulton.

((A)) Thomas Dalton of Thurnham (d after Newbury 1643)

((i)) Robert Dalton of Thurnham

m. Elizabeth Horner (dau of Thomas Horner of Middleham)

((a)) Elizabeth Dalton of Thurnham (d 1710)

m. William Hoghton of Park Hall

Their eldest son inherited Thurnham and took the name Dalton.

((b)) Dorothy Dalton of Faton and Aldcliffe who apparently married ...