What is November 17?

A radical, leftist Greek terrorist group, also known as 17 N or N 17, with a tiny membership and a loathing for America, the West, and capitalism…

What sort of attacks has November 17 launched?

The organization’s first known attack came in December 1975, when the CIA’s Athens station chief was shot with a .45-caliber pistol, November 17’s favorite weapon. Since then, the group has claimed responsibility for twenty-one murders, including the killings of a U.S. Navy captain, a U.S. defense attaché, a Turkish diplomat, and a British defense attaché. November 17’s initial attacks were directed at senior U.S. officials and Greek public figures, but during the 1980s the group expanded its operations to include bombings of ordinary citizens and property.

Where did November 17 get its name?

From the November 17, 1973, student uprising at Athens Polytechnic University. Twenty students were killed when Greek army tanks suppressed the protests, and the group formed in part to retaliate against the ruling military junta.

–So, we have a far left protest group, with tons of communist, socialist, and anarchist ties.

–We have a group that’s focused on the banking meltdown and it’s resulting potential cuts in public services, a situation playing out most prominently in Greece.

–We have one of the most prominent academic supporters specifically calling for Greek style riots.

–We have a poster made for the protests, aside from the obvious Communist imagery, that utilizes tanks. Why tanks? Again–“Twenty students were killed when Greek army tanks suppressed the protests…”

We’re supposed to believe that this organization HAD NO IDEA that they were scheduling their highest profile event so far, on the exact date that inspired a Communist terrorist group that hated American capitalism?

(As a guy who lived through the media’s constant attacks on Glenn Beck because he did a speech on the same day that Martin Luther King did a speech, I just couldn’t resist.)

UPDATE: I admit to starting this post with half tongue-in-cheek as mockery for our treatment by the media for 8.28. But, honestly—I’m convincing myself a little. The official Occupy Wall Street site is literally calling the march the “N17 Mass Direct Action.”

Again from the Council on Foreign Relations: “November 17, Revolutionary People’s Struggle, Revolutionary Struggle (Greece, leftists)” is “A radical, leftist Greek terrorist group, also known as 17 N or N 17” who aims to launch “an anti-capitalist popular uprising against the Greek middle and upper-classes.” When is the last time you heard someone say “we have our Christmas party on D22.” “I was born on F9.” Who says “N17” for November 17th? Is that common here in America?

I know their public excuse for the “direct action” is two months of “occupation.” I understand that is what they are saying publicly. But, this is just the leadership of this group honoring a bunch of their heroes with a subtle tip of the cap. The true believers get a chuckle while the useful idiots march in solidarity with something that they don’t understand.

Anonymous

Am I supposed to be surprised here?

People who aid and abett rapists are certainly low enough to worship mass murderers like 17N. I wonder when they will do a march to honor the German RAF, which was an extremely brutal left wing terrorist group in Germany (they’re somewhat inactive atm, those members who’re still alive are catered to by left wing politicians, and German police is expecting a resurgence.)

Anonymous

The poster says non-violent. But how are they going to shut down Wall Street, take over the subways, etc without violence? Do they think the police will just let them do that? They have already been told they cannot.

I guess they will be chanting, “The whole world is watching!” It reminds me of when my kids were little and we went in to a store. They would immediately start carrying on because they knew I didn’t want to cause a scene in front of everyone. These protesters know the police don’t want to be seen as too aggressive. But at the same time the kids needed to disciplined and these protesters need to know enough is enough.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZC6EMHDFTQF4WY7CSO6SYZZEKY Sergio Yuhjtman

World must be changed to a better one. Without violence or with some of it, eventually. Violence is emerging from the confrontation of opposite points of view. Try to choose the fair one.

Anonymous

Why must the world be changed? What in the world makes you think that one side is more “fair” than the other? Is it “fair” to take what many have worked their whole lives for to give to someone that will not work because the jobs they can get are beneath them? You can try to bring socialism or communism to the US, but I, for one, refuse to accept it. I will not be moved.

I think its time to pull out the fire hoses its the most cost effective way to deal with these punks. I’m sure the people who are being harmed by these spoiled brats won’t care about the police using force.

http://twitter.com/a1776patriot George Washington

That poster is ripe for truthful mockery http://a1776patriot.wordpress.com/2011/11/16/occupy-truth/

Anonymous

Awesome, Stu! Spot on! Americans are clueless – as are most “Conservative” media – as to who and what this enemy is.

We may have been blinded in one more direction as well, consider the part of the message I think Glenn may also have missed “…resist the austerity…” as is happening now in Greece and Italy.

Now we know Obama is spending us into the ground and to collapse; so what if this is a case when the super committee fails, and the cries rise up from the left in Congress of austerity packages will be needed soon unless “taxes are raised, spending on defense cut, the out of control Republicans are stopped…” and the link is forged.

THAT is the next play coming down the line; threaten to have to make draconian cuts unless the Republicans are stopped, create a situation for which you already have one or more ‘solutions’ prepared.

This may be, if I see it right down the line, one of the last chances of derailing this progressive nightmare once and for all.

http://www.demoskratia.org Armando Hechavarria

Wow this post just like Glenn is ignorant and/or stupid.

Anonymous

Wow, excellent discourse, Armando! Now I understand exactly what this post is about and how it relates to world events – thank you for your insight!

Wow another baseless ad hominem attack. How about backing your claims up with some facts????

Anonymous

He can’t typical troll

Anonymous

J.w.
Now let’s get real here. Your expectations are far to high when addressing such limited mental skills. Facts are non existent to those who only blab to hear themselves blab. But, nice try and encouragement on your part.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_KQCMPD62XWQYKKOZ6GMBY66L3A George D

It has nothing to do with Greek communists. November 17 is the day that OWS will have been occupying for 2 months (starting september 17.)

Anonymous

Your in denial of what is happening. National Socialists / Communists are on the move and those who have no clue have no idea they are being used.

Fred Fred

National socialists have not been at any OWS protest. One small group of them said they supported OWS, but then provided stupid reasons. They said white people should be in charge of corporations instead of Jews. OWS is against corporations in their entirety and many Jews are side by side with the protesters in this fight.

The anti-semitism at OWS came from libertarian anti-semitic conspiracy theorists fueled by mountebanks like Alex Jones or David Duke who attempted to hijack the protests, but failed.

Communists support and are supported of and by OWS, but there is no reason why this is a bad thing. The goal of communism is rule of the people and anti-authoritarianism. Direct Democracy, in other words. You may dislike direct democracy, but it can’t be compared to nazism which was a right wing, authoritarian, corporatist ideology.

Anonymous

Wow…you are really off on your historical perspective of reality. Check into who is providing the funding, command and control, and organization of these “occupy” events. From the get go this was done be self proclaimed marxists, socialists, and communists- rejects from the end of the 60’s era radical hippie movement. They turned to certain sympathetic benefactors who are currently or were big players in the SEIU, AFL-CIO, and UFT/AFT unions (Stern, Trumpka). These were also the first people to come forward and support the “occupy” events btw.
The OWS crowd has a command center for communications, mail, and staging at a United Federation of Teachers, UFT, facility.
They use a left leaning, social justice crying church facility for bathrooms and showers and as a meeting/dining hall.

As for the history of the Communist and Nazi parties…dig a little deeper. Communism or direct democracy (what a load of BS) as you put it….believes in everybody owns an equal share in everything and should do equal work for equal pay…. Well that has a problem when the State tells me to be a ditch digger and bust my butt while you get to sit in an office chair and push papers. I think my work is a bit more labor intensive and definitely not “equal” to yours not to mention the inherent trauma to my body of years of labor. Socialism -Nazism, since that is what they were…the National Socialist Party of German, believes that a smart, elite, powerful ogranization (those in government) should decide what is equal and fair and dole out what job you do and what you get paid for it.
Nazism is NOT a right-wing of anything except in the scope of degrees of Marxism, simply meaning that Nazism or Socialism is closer to Capitalism than Communism is. But they are BOTH LEFT WING Marxist ideologies that wish to CONTROL what FREE people (democracy) can choose to do.
So do NOT taint the BLOOD of the fallen who have fought for 1000’s of years in all corners of the globe to bring FREEDOM to mankind by calling Communism (responsible for over 400 MILLION deaths in just the last 150 years) Direct Democracy!! And if you add Socialism/Nazism, the paternal twin of Communism, into the mix…the number of dead, through war and MURDER, would increase to nearly 1 BILLION!!..

If you think Communism or even State Socialism (Nazism) is a good idea…YOU ARE ALIGNED with those men and women that have killed off 18% of the worlds population in the last 150 years. That means you are a sick, evil SOB that should B.I.H with them….

Fred Fred

The state doesn’t tell anyone to do anything in communism. Under communism there is a general consensus among the population that equality is a good thing, which it is. The elites of the Nazi party were all uneducated buffoons. They appealed to people’s ignorance and conservative anti-communist tendencies. Germany had a massive socialist party (the SDP). In order to convince them to vote nationalist, “socialist german worker’s” was added to the party name. Socialism is anti-nationalism and there was nothing socialist about the nazi party.

Hitler destroyed the marxist party. There has never been a communist country. Never. The USSR was authoritarian with a socialist economy once Lenin died. Vietnam is a democratic country, but it’s abandoned socialism for all intents and purposes. North Korea is a theocracy with a socialist economy. China is a capitalist authoritarian state. Cuba is in the same situation as the USSR was.

Communism = absolutely free politics with socialist economics, something that has never come into existence and likely never will due to innate human greed/power hunger.

I’m sorry you’ve been deceived into thinking Nazism is left wing. That’s one of the most bizarre things I have ever heard and no historians make that claim. It must take a lot of hatred for equality to convince yourself that Anti-marxist, racist, nationalism is a leftist ideology.

barb,
Fred doesn’t know what the hell he’s talking about. He’s never been to the former Soviet Union or experience the political system that he’s touting as a wonderful society where everyone is equal. Communism is not the political system that he thinks it is.

Under Communism there’s the division of have and have-nots and there is only equality for the have-nots.

The politicians in the USSR had supermarkets and stores filled with all kinds of food and products and everyone else spent all day standing in line with their ration books for a piece of meat and a loaf of bread.

He lives in fantasyland not reality. The people in Communist N.Korea are eating earthworms and work in concentration camps while the leaders live in lavish houses filled with western technology and food products.

That’s the face of real Communism in reality.

“TMP”

Anonymous

You think he’s just a under educated college grad? Hell, I lived over-seas,in Germany and else-where…I have a well rounded education on communists. These guys scare the he** out of me w/their ignorance! Have’nt run across Vinny yet, I’m looking..smiles

http://www.thefriendcenter.com/ SoThere

I’ve traveled the world barb, and I’ve seen the results of Communism first hand. He’s a well programmed leftist, that’s all.

“TMP”

Anonymous

Yes,they all seem to spout the same tired rhedoric,do’nt they? Maybe if these deluded Sh**heads actually HAD to live over-seas,they’d come away with a more accurate view on the world. Makes me want to kick some *collective* a**…chuckles…waving

Anonymous

have you heard of this Wesley Burt who’s following me ?

http://www.thefriendcenter.com/ SoThere

No, I haven’t run across him. I’ll check him out. Do you post using the Dashboard?

“TMP”

Anonymous

Yes,I check it every so often…because I never seem to catch up to you guys..and reply from here.Although you and Ryan Fredrick are the ones I reply to most often. I was reading about your *friends* site,thought about switching-but I’m Very protected through here,and Norton Security. And I’m not very conversant(?) on computers in general..I taught myself in about 8 days-this does;nt mean I always know what I’m doing!!! Laughter…smiles..What a way to enter the 21st century. But it’s necessary in this day an age..hell and I’m not old by any stretch of the imagination,just believe in a paper trail..I learn every day though-thankyou in that reguard-barbara

http://www.thefriendcenter.com/ SoThere

It’s a secure sit, more secure than FaceBook and many of the people who post here are there also.

Maybe some other time. I understand your need for caution on the internet. You keep that up and it will serve you well on Forums like this. Never give out personal information about yourself.

“TMP”

Anonymous

Yes,I understand this and try to contol my *passionate nature. But I can give a fig if the public knows about some of the more horrific aspects of my life.Can’t be hurt if it does’nt affect me that way. Even if they located me-you can’t take what’s not there. If you come here,I’ll know-everytime-the dogs are to serve as warning only.And I’m armed and always alert.Always. I worked out a deal w/security so am protected that way.Small town bank knows to call me.Don’t know googled myself did’nt find anything..but what do I know.

SoThere

I once had a stalker on another website some time ago. I keep my personal information private except for generic information.

“TMP”

Anonymous

I’ve never given out an address,state,yes. Never been in a phone book.Google me see what you find.And this is weird,but for about 20yrs.,I’ll get cards,pictures from someone,I think I know who it is,but not certain.They don’t sign it. Security has stopped all attempts to wrest control of my harddrive-believe me they/he/she trys-often.
Lately I’ll get some followers who post-only acouple are pests.I spam them-good enough? Gee,did the staker get weird? Or just nasty?

Anonymous

I beg to differ,any organization backed or orchestrated by Any communist/marxist/socialist is to the Detriment of America as a whole. You can’t have it both ways-and stay a Republic.

http://www.thefriendcenter.com/ SoThere

Fred,

that’s a load of crap. Visit a Communist country and see for yourself, I have. There are two classes of people in today’s Communist States, the have’s and the have-not’s. I’m not talking about countries like China who are rapidly moving towards [our] Capitalistic form of government in order to survive, I’m talking about countries like N.Korea where the populous is starving while the Government rulers live in extravagance and luxury which was the way people lived in the former USSR before it collapsed. True Communism does not exists nor will it ever exist. It’s been tried and continually fails, if you knew anything about History you would know this.Please move to one of those above mentioned countries. I’ll pay for half of your ticket, anyone want to pick up the other half?”TMP”

Ryan Frederick

does not shock me at all.

Anonymous

Me either,I’ve had no illusions about the direction(s) these OWS protesters would take to achieve their stated goals.

Ryan Frederick

most are not hiding it and the ones that say other wise watch msnbc or are blinded by their own hate.

Anonymous

Yes, I watch avidly what they say and do. In No way are they hiding their proclivities. The few who swear otherwise,are deluded in their idealism to the truth of direction OWS has taken.

Ryan Frederick

my grandmother does to and she says she dies a little inside.

Anonymous

now that the greatest generation is dying out,they’ve lost the voice to to refute these communists.(re)education has done the rest that a direct assult could’nt accomplish.unfortunately,while trying to make things easier for their kids,they allowed the left to indocrinate the same…all in the name of bettering their childrens lives,than their own…not understanding that this enabled the left to gain a foot hold by not letting the kids Learn a great lesson-“Freedom is’nt Free.”

Look for the other connections. This event has been planned thoroughly for this day, and today may be the beginning of phase two, which is where the violence will escalate and Mr Obama will soon make his power grab.

Watch also for more of the OWS supporters to start looking for the aid of radical, activist justices in the court to put reigns on the police and city governments.

Also on November 17th, 1800 –
The United States Congress holds its first session in Washington, D.C.
1820 – Captain Nathaniel Palmer becomes the first American to
see Antarctica (the Palmer Peninsula is later named after him). 1871 –
The National Rifle Association is granted a charter by the state of New
York. 1919 – King George V of the United Kingdom proclaims Armistice Day
(later Remembrance Day). 1962 – President John F. Kennedy dedicates
Dulles International Airport, serving the Washington, D.C. region. 1970 –
Douglas Engelbart receives the patent for the first computer mouse….Boo!

Everyone consider this much as well, we know the one leader of OWS who stated they want to spend the city into bankruptcy is one of their purposes — the other is the causing of chaos, and by chaos the increase of pressure on the system.

Think on this much, what will be the full economic disruption to business and employees who cannot get to work, conduct business, and services/deliveries are interupted? (Pressure)

Anger and shock and fear can begin to build in the workers and business owners, forcing the city to deploy additional police to keep sides seperate; while the OWS makes or carries out more threats and violence on them. (pressure)

One lunatic (a real one), a person defending themselves or a OWS thug uses force (lethal) and someone is killed. Howls for justice go up, and the riots/panic commense. (pressure)

Finally when the chaos is unleashed fully the mayor of the city has these choices of evil…

A. Let the rioters loose, and try to contain it to specific areas. Sacrifice part for the rest.
B. Use maximum force to stop the chaos.
C. Ask for the national guard to be brought in.
D. Turn to Mr Obama for help.

In the case of choice C or D, the top comes down with maximum force.
In the case of choice A or B, it sets the stage for the bottom to come up once again.

Personally, I think that everyone has been there long enough to fulfill their first amendment right. You did it, now you’re just being a public nuisance.

Secondly, intentional disruptions do not equal a right to peaceably assemble, nor is anyone petitioning the government. If so, they would be in Washington, and/or at local government offices to petition for relief — peaceably.

It’s time to clean the streets — it’s not like any of them can complain if we keep them in makeshift tent-prison encampments. They’re fighting to live in tents now. I can think of plenty of shovel-ready jobs that can be done by inmates.

Anonymous

The events in the U. S. and the world seem to be following, pretty much, step by step how the first and second world wars started, how Hitler was elected on the platform “law and order” and “end corruption”, and how the Bolshivek Revolution gained strength to overthrow Russia.

Seems like from the American and French Revolutions on, the (so-called) Intelligensia have been pomugating the same overthrows over and over, doing the same things over and over, and expecting different results each time. (Isn’t that a definition of insanity?) In every case the Intelligensia were among the first to leave, and others were left to reap the bloody whirlwind. After all, Hitler has killed his millions, and Stalin his tens of millions.

Our only real hope is that, when the U.S. falls, there is virtually no “free” place left for the Intelligensia to go, because they can now be found, by sattilite, anywhere they flee, unless they become Morlocks…which means we will be the Eloi.

I say, remove the Intelligensia before they become Morlocks.

KayAZ12

The iconography and color choices in this poster are interesting. I’ve designed a few posters and other advertising materials. Colors, imagery, style and language are all used to portray a general theme and philosophy for the product, company and/or ideas being sold.

The poster’s stye and color choices are reminiscent of twentieth century propaganda posters for fascism, socialism and marxism. Nothing about the poster celebrates American or our philosophy, traditions, and values.

There is a cleaver juxtaposition of imagery. It’s reminiscent of “Tiananmen Square”; the oppressor’s tanks facing down a single victim advocating free speech and democracy.

The wording is interesting, “Resist Austerity; Reclaim the Economy; Recreate our Democracy”. On the surface the last two sound reasonable but it’s deceiving and troubling.

After glutenous expenditures by our government, austerity is necessary to regain control of our economic instability. While their rhetoric calls for forced austerity of the 1%, they have no problem demanding accelerated government expenditures for the other 99%.

Reclaim the economy? How and what system are they designing to “reclaim” it? I say clean it up and purge capitalism of cronies.

Recreate our democracy? What kind of democracy? Don’t they understand the rational behind our democratic republic? I say “reclaim” our democratic republic and hold our elected officials accountable to our constitution and their constituencies, not lobbyists and special interests.

They are capitalizing on the concerns of all Americans and the problems defined by the TEA Party movement. This is a subtle attempt to nudge the conversation toward’s a more socialist agenda.

Anonymous

This is a great synopsis, Kay. One item, however. ‘Subtle nudging’ is a gross under estimation; they are going in for the kill.

Anonymous

Certainly no Norman Rockwell there!

Anonymous

Wish I could have said this as well as you,thanks Kay.

http://twitter.com/BeccaWynne Rebecca Wynne

I’m sorry, but the Boston Tea Party, that one act of “patriotism” that this camp so lauds, was absolutely the kind of economic disruption that people in this forum are decrying Occupy Wallstreet for. Also, did the Tea Party not eventually take up arms against their government? And in the most ungentlemanly way, with guerilla-style tactics? This Occupy Wallstreet protest has so far been held on entirely non-violent means. It has not invoked the threat of violence nearly to the extent that the Tea Party has.

Anonymous

Really? You get your news from what source? You validate your claim how? OWS has the right to protest-that is a given of our Constitution, but freedom of speech comes with responsibility—You know, the ‘fire in the theater’ cry. I presume you consider, rape, pillage, thievery, disruption of the NORMAL citizens right to run their businesses or even go to work, and many other nefarious activities-like disruption of public health concerns through disease ridden camps, etc. etc. etc. is acceptable human behavior. I could elaborate on the boston tea party, but will leave that to our more eloquent posters who understand what is going on here. I hope you understand that a dystopian society is being created by those who have destructive intentions in mind. George Soros destroyed five nation economies. Human rights and dignity as provided in our Constitution and validated by Divine Providence is being destroyed. Read about Sodom and Gomorrah, my dear. Additionally, you will not understand what you are losing until it is gone. But, if enslavement is what you want you are about to get it. Check out the Freedom Wheel.

Ryan Frederick

well i would geuss this troll got her news from msnbc.

Anonymous

And i suppose deficating on a church alter,removing a childs bones-throwing thru a window,spray painting 666,etc.,is peaceful? Do your research,girl. Then come back and post a correct version of this occupy group.

Ryan Frederick

i am sorry but covering up rapes is violent. shooting a guy in the street in cold blood is violent.

http://twitter.com/BeccaWynne Rebecca Wynne

Wow, I had no idea I would get a response! My news I get from a variety of sources, but “news” is not really what is at question here–History and the danger that History can command while in the wrongs hands is the question. I get my history from Gordon S. Wood, David Hackett Fischer, and primary sources.

Can you please include links to the sources regarding: protestors removing a child’s bones (how? from where? to where?), defecating on a church alter and spray painting 666 please. I’m curious. Look, every time a group of people get together for protests on this scale, fringe nut jobs tag along.

It seems the only reason you hate the Occupy Wallstreet movement is because it’s dominated by liberals. But why hate this movement? Do you, as Capitalists, stand by the market-tampering of the finance sector? You who believe that Capitalism and Free Market society is superior (I am one of you, believe it or not!) should be outraged at the dishonesty of those who helped usher in this recession. For Capitalism to be successful there needs to be honesty–the better service wins, the better product is bought, the better price sells–correct? No intervention. Well, intervene is what these people who we Occupiers are protesting did. They were dishonest in their deals within the housing market. This is an affront to Capitalism. You should be outraged too. But instead you are complacent and, for some reason, defending the very people who you should hold accountable. This makes no sense.

Time makes more converts than reason. – Thomas Paine

Anonymous

Rebecca, I feel you are being slightly myopic here. The OWS has a right to protest-not only for reasons you assessed, but also an out of control huge government (for which the founding Fathers warned us about) and socialistic, marxist and communistic endeavors. What is going on now has far exceeded the OWS goals and turned their cause into a nightmare. I am outraged for numerous reasons, but mostly because these groups have made a mockery of the freedom of speech. And, we may add the revisionist history that has been rammed down our children’s throats for some decades now. Believe me, we are not complacent. We understand the holistic assault upon our liberties which are being diminished one by one under our very noses. I do not defend our government or corrupters. I do defend the multiples of people who work, try to raise their families, worship as they will and only ask for what so many have fought and died for—freedom

Anonymous

This is my first time on The Blaze. I like what I read, because the John Birch Society is now middle-of-the-road.

The events in the U.S. and the world seem to be going, pretty much, step-by-step down the same path that lead to WW I & II, allowed Hitler to get elected on the platform of “law and order” and “end corruption”, and fuled the Bolshevik Revolution of November 1917, which took control of Russia.

Seems to me the Intelligensia (usually wealthy communists–even before there was communism–has been orchestrating such events, from the American and French Revolutions to the present day, backing those such as Hitler and the Bolsheviks, doing the same thing over and over, and expecting different results each time. (Isn’t that a defination for insanity?) Then, the Intelligensia are among the first to flee, leaving many others to reap the bloody whirlwind. After all, Hitler killed his millions, and Linen/Trotsky/Stalin their tens of millions.

One thing that is different today is that there will be no place for the Intelligensia to flee to, because they can be tracked by satillite and other technology, unless they literally go underground and become Morlocks,,,which means we can choose to be Eloi, or we can shine the brilliant light of truth on them, and can choose to remove them, from the U.S., at least, as “undesireables.” (Whatever happened to “exile” and “treason”?)

Another difference is that the U.S. is virtually the only nation in the world that was founded on the ideal of every American beng a “rugged individualist”, which is one reason why we have a Constitutional Amendment allowing all U.S. citizens to be armed…we already were, and are, dangerous as a People.

Anonymous

I love the “Greek” tie to this for some reasion. Greece deteriorated into a civil war just after WWII. The communists were our recent allies. The USSR out gunned us and supported the Greek communists. No one wonted WWIII but nobody was interested in backing down.
(There is even a foot note to that. Not sure which but a US Infantry Division was disembarked after surviving the war and heading for home, to secure the Italian boarder and counter Yougoslave and Soviot forces.)
I think Generals Ridgeway and VanFleet pulled off a major unknown victory for mankind by checking Communism. Both men belived Communism had a strong appeal to a war weary people looking for some disconected justice.
Both of these men towered aboove there contemporaries, themselves no slouches. and assisted in calling the Greek people to there democratic roots. The abstract goal of law and order and justice out weighed the impulse to violence, that feeds Communism.
17 N was a joke. Formed from what was left of Joe Stalins Murderious Emipre in tiny Greece. Its radical rhetoric was on a paralel to a dieing gasp.
Do all you “constatutionalists” really belive America is just plump full of lazy scumbag hippie pinko fags… lookin to riot instead of just getting a job?
That cant be true of all of ‘em.
So why arent we focusing on bringing to justice the elites who defrauded the country?
This mass of voting humanity has been decieved and is being mislead by a cartoon strip of radical Communism, evil in its most uncomplicated disguise.
When pie chart Palozi lips her support for OWS why dosent the TP counter with her insider trading, bailouts for profit. She was in a position to bring those thieves to justice, thats how much she supports OWS. She was bound by the constitution to uphold the law, wheres the beef?.
You must have been distracted by the Sara Palin Baptist Porn Bus tour Extravagansa.
Just keep in mind one grass roots movement hurling insults at another grass roots movement isnt how Communism was defeated in Greece.

The real story here may be how George Soros and the NWO divided a house against itself and punked Glen Beck in the process.

Anonymous

WHAT?

Anonymous

That was my first thought.

http://twitter.com/WesleyBurt WesleyBurt

The Athens Polytechnic uprising which took place on Nov. 17, 1973, the
event which the above poster pays homage to, was not a communist
movement. The Greek military junta of 1967–1974 was literally a fascist
dictatorship. Not fascist in the name calling “Glenn Beck is a fascist”
sense but in the actual policy and definition.

Granted, a
terrorist organization also payed homage to the brave individuals who
stood up to fascism in Greece. But the poster above invokes no ties to
the terror cell. In fact it says right at the top in bold letters
“non-violent.’ The tank imagery ties directly to the narrative of Nov,
17 1973 when tanks disrupted a non-violent protest against a oppressive
regime that denied civil rights to it’s citizens immediately after
taking power in a coup d’état.

Also, I have no understanding for
how the poster can be classified as “obvious Communist imagery.” When I
saw the poster I immediately thought of the brave young democracy
advocates who stood up to an oppressive communist regime in Tienanmen
Square, this is clearly not communist imagery. If you are referring to
the propaganda look of the poster, I would encourage you to look up the
U.S.’s old war bond posters, they are similar in style and encourage
citizens to “Fight the Huns.” Or don’t, you might be disgusted by our
country’s use of “communist imagery.”

Think before you post. In
writing an article that says paying respect to people who stood up to a
fascist dictatorship is somehow inappropriate or offensive, you have,
essentially, alligned yourself with fascism.

Ryan Frederick

funny i was about to say the same thing about you and fascism. lets see the groups that support the occupy movement Communist Party USA, The American Nazi Party didn’t they nazis kill alot of jews, Revolutionary Communist Party Communist killed 110,000 million people, Black Panthers a group of black racist, Nation of Islam’s Louis Farrakhan, and CAIR. now the morons in government President Barack Obama, Vice President Joe Biden,and Nancy Pelosi. now the International Leaders and Governments Iran’s Supreme Leader, the Ayatollah Khamenei the guy who wants to wipe all the jews and christians off the earth, Hugo Chavez, Revolutionary Guards of Iran, The Govt of North Korea, Communist Party of China, and Hezbollah. but i am the fascist.

http://twitter.com/WesleyBurt WesleyBurt

I was just trying to say that being an anti-fascist doesn’t necessarily make you a communist. A lot of men served and died in the fight against fascism in WWII, but I don’t think it would be accurate to label them as communists. Just like I don’t label people who pay homage to those men by remembering D-day or VE-day communists either.

My only point was that the world is not so black and white that people have to decide whether to stand with the fascists or the communists. If a group of liberal protesters on Wall street want to pay homage to a group of students who stood up to fascism forty years ago, then they should be able to do that without being compared to communists and right wingers shouldn’t feel obligated to defend every fascist dictatorship the OWS crowd condemns.

Ryan Frederick

well then why are these people suport you?

http://twitter.com/WesleyBurt WesleyBurt

Since Occupy Wall Street has yet to declare a clear concise
message (which happens to be the number one reason I am reluctant to join them)
many groups have thrown their support behind the movement in hopes for many
reasons. The neo-Nazis are one of those groups. They are there because they
think, in their delusional minds, that OWS is somehow related to their message
which is Jews have too much power as heads of corporations. If you will
remember, there were plenty of instances of anti-Semitism at Tea Party Rallies,
a fact i never harped on because I understood that vast decentralized movements
like OWS or the Tea Party attract well informed politicos and crazies alike.

The Communist organizations are easy to explain. OWS is a left of center
movement in a right of center country. Organizations from the far left (like
the communists and socialists you mentioned) as well as organized labor see an
opportunity with OWS to move the country left, even if it only back to center,
and have thrown weight behind it.

The New Black Panther Party and the Nation of Islam are not organizations I
feel comfortable with. Mostly because the New Black Panthers have turned their
back on the 10 points program of Huey and Eldridge’s day in favor of one less
powerful and more dividing and the Nation which was an important force in the
civil rights movement has not deserved the same respect ever since the death of
Malcolm. That said, it is plain to see why they support OWS. Their
organizations, whatever their faults, say they strive to provide members of the
black community with better lives. In the wake of the Wall Street Speculation
induced recession, the black community has been hit harder statistically than
the white community. It is only natural that organizations that cater to the
black community would support an organization that says they want to hold Wall St.
accountable.

Though I do not claim to know exactly why CAIR would be interested, I imagine
they have a similar interest as the black community. There are many Muslim
families, especially immigrant families, that have no doubt been hit hard in
the wake of the recession. Like the black organizations, CAIR caters to making
the lives of those in the Muslim community better, so again their support seems
only natural. I think that members of CAIR might also say that the influence of
corporations in American politics (i.e. lobbyists who beat the drums of war)
has had a detrimental effect on loved ones at home in places like Iraq. Again I
don’t know that for a fact but if I had to guess, that is what I would say.

On a similar note, Hugo Chavez probably supports OWS because
he has seen first hand what corporate influence in U.S. policy does to other nations. U.S. backed coup d’états in South America wrecked
havoc on peoples lives in countries like Guatemala and Chile and after Hugo
became leader a U.S. backed coup d’état (no doubt lobbied for by big corporations
who began losing money after he nationalized the country’s oil so that the
people could see the benefit of their country’s natural resources) nearly ended
his ambitions.

Hugo is not the only one, Iran
still remembers well what happened when their democratically elected president
tried to nationalize their oil fields in the 50’s. Yet another corporate lobbied, U.S. backed coup d’état that ended their
democratic system in favor of our favorite dictator the Shah and his U.S. trained Gestapo-esque
police-state force. Guess where that coup
d’état was planned. The U.S. embassy in Tehran… A little foreshadowing. So is it any wonder that leaders of countries
who have consistently seen the democratic process eroded by corporate influence
in U.S.
politics would be behind a movement they feel has a chance to bring about an
end to corporate influence in policy decisions?

Hezbollah should be a no brainer. The U.S.
continues to provide more aid to Israel than any other country year
after year despite the fact that they do not recognize internationally accepted
borders and have too many human rights violations to count. This is due in large part because Israel often acts on the U.S.’s behalf
in the region (not unlike an attack dog).
And like we have seen before, the U.S.’s
bidding is usually synonymous with U.S. corporate interests.

Obama, Biden and Pelosi are all on the OWS train because
they want to co-opt it to try and get them re-elected so they can continue
stomp for their campaign donators. And,
if I had to guess, China sees it as an opportunity, because if we stop acting
purely on corporate self interest then they will become the only superpower willing
to deny human rights in the name of profits.
North Korea is North Korea,
which is to say they are a geopolitical outlier. They just want to say bad
things about the U.S.

There is a logical reason why everyone you listed is throwing
their support behind OWS, well almost everyone you mentioned. Neo-Nazis do not
have a logical bone in their body.

Anonymous

Junta was only oppressive to the communists in Greece. The communists were kicked out of Greece during that time, payback for the civil war. For many of us citizens, the Junta was actually a time of peace and prosperity in Greece.

You probably learned about Junta from your textbook. American textbooks are not very accurate I have learned since I have attended school in the US.

http://twitter.com/WesleyBurt WesleyBurt

There were no elections under the Junta. The right to assemble, the freedom of the press, and all other civil rights were revoked. No civil rights meant that you could be arrested, held and labeled any number of names that would lead to interrogation. Human rights abuses, especially torture, were rampant.

A society with no elections, no press, no right to assemble, and no civil rights for any of its citizens meets the definition of “universally oppressive.”

Ryan Frederick

well Mr. Burt i may disagree with you but at least you can deffend yourself unlike others i talk to. i have to give you that. i respect that.

http://twitter.com/WesleyBurt WesleyBurt

Thanks, I always enjoy a good political discussion. Have a good evening.

” So why arent we focusing on bringing to justice the elites who defrauded the country?”

Because people like Barny Frank gutted all the laws and regulations that were put in place to protect us from this kind of fraud, to get more minority home ownership to score political points. What the “elites” did was morally wrong but completely legal thanks to the idiots in D.C.
How about putting the blame where it belongs and go after the fat cat loser career politicians who are cause the problems.
Its time to occupy Congress.

Anonymous

What is wrong with the date? The things that snowleopart wrote about what happend on that day are more or less true but do you amercans realy forgot all the good things that happend on that day? The American Congress had it’s first meeting in the congres back in 1800, it was the date when the end of the vietnam war started (took still a while), in Prague people protested against the comunist party thus helping Germany to become one country again.
so the date means nothing.
like every other day good and bad things happend on that day like on every other day…

I doubt they picked that date for patriotic reasons. Idiotic reasons maybe.

http://www.facebook.com/MayaHerrarte Vanessa Mick Herrarte

Im 27 years old, Im not in collage but I am currently studying american history (on my own courses) and I discovered that in the case of the boston tea party, that private property was destroyed(the tea). And another fact is that these protesters eventually took up arms, and later we have the revolutionary war.I was at occupy DC until I realized, after learning much about our history,Communism, (and other izems in general) I believe these people are very serious about overthrowing the system and our government. I left and dissociated my self from this craziness. My mom and I have a small business and they were trying to convince me that we are wrong for pursuing our dreams of eventually haveing a big business. My mom started our small business because I am disabled and was constantly turned down for jobs(I was born with brain damage due to lead poisoning, I have social anxiety, a learning impairment that caused my mom to have to homeschool me and my brother, and I have a severe tremor in my right arm) .I became so disgusted whith these morons that I may even plan to counter protest the people. I have a one year old daughter and my dream for her is to be able to take up our family business(if she wants to) without being called a tyrant by a group of lazy bums.So with this I wonder, if indeed these protests escalate, as they did in our past, is a civil war eminent? No one can honestly say it wont happen, history tends to repeat itself, and evan after a new president take office(which will probably piss them of evan more) I can see the hell getting ready to unfold here in America.

Anonymous

Bless you, Vanessa. You may have some disabilities, but your brain IS fully functioning. Instinctually you understand, intellectually you comprehend and patriotically, you appreciate what the loss of freedom and the Constitution mean. Thank you for your experential input.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001030894922 Michael Alex

G-d bless you and your family. michael alex

Anonymous

It’s not wrong to be curious about a cause,it shows wisdom,to dis-associate with a deceiving cause.
And I have talked to these folks…they have *tunnel vision*,Imean they won’t budge on a belief which
is flawed. Mass hypnosis…it’s spooky.
Congrats on the entrepreneural spirit of this country!!

Barbclemen — this is worse than mass hypnosis, though it is on the same lines of work; it is a form of mass brain washing and conditioning. Consider why do they have the people constantly repeating the mantras over and over and over? To get them implanted to where they become rote even w/o understanding the meaning of them.

Brainwashing for the establishment of control, and the usage of them for the purpose of power aquisition.

Anonymous

It starts in kindergarden…singsong chants…and “conditions” them from there.I believe this why they want “cradle-to-graduation”,education.It nulifies the parental influence. Agree, Snow?

USMC — Indeed, and along the way it reminds me of a movement in Germany where the school kids were being indoctrinated into giving allegiance to the devil on earth of that day — Hitler.

Anonymous

God bless you for all the work you have done to expose these radicals. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

http://www.facebook.com/frederick.lombardi Frederick Lombardi

Yes Vanessa the Boston Tea party had known destroyed properties, however, they were standing for something that destroyed our ability to drink tea(at least those of them that were poor were unable to afford such basic things anymore due to high taxation), these college kids only care about theirselves, they are the 99% of the 1% that actually get the privilege of getting a college loan, and then crying about it, as if they gave a crap about poverty or even knew what it was about, and then these rich brats are destroying others property. This makes it look as if it were indeed a poverty movement, when in reality it is just some spoiled brats trying to make a name for themselves. If for instance they actually gave a crap they would fight for universal health care or some other relevant thing that could help us all, not just them. They are crying “give me some more of the 1%”, and flying the finger to those who are truly hurting from this recession ( created by over inflation [ like outrageously high health care costs]) at the same time

http://www.facebook.com/drjeffreykmooresnr Jeffrey Moore

I don’t know how anyone could say you are brain damaged. You have more common sense than many of our elected officials. But if your concerned about America’s future ( as we all should be) just humble yourself and pray seek Gods face turn from any wicked ways (doesn’t sound like you have any), and God will hear from your Angels in heaven forgive our countrys sin and heal this Land America. Keep up the great work my Sister and we will all at least have the chance to overcome God Bless You, Real Good! Agape Brother Jeff

Vanessa — I have had some interesting time this morning, having posted on several European sights telling people of the links with the N17 group and the OWS bands; the part of real interest was the European bloggers knew and understood, while the Americans who posted on the same sights made the usual responses to me being “stupid, confused, race hater, tea party terrorist, etc.

And we live in most interesting times now; for we will see the greatest of darkness show forth and we will see the greatest of hope, faith, and light come forth as well among all in America.

Peace and grace of God be with you and your family, and may the future be secure and bright in His providence for all of you.

Anonymous

It is more than probable that we will have an undeclared civil war..There will be no lines of demarcation, however the results will be martial law and a strong arm, heavy handed govt, with most of our rights and freedoms gone., Be prepared and always VOTE FOR FREEDOM.

http://www.demoskratia.org Armando Hechavarria

Vanessa it seems that you have to read up on your history a little more (there are tons of books you can find on amazon or your local public library). These people (OWS supporters) do want to overthrow our economic system i.e. capitalism which doesn’t work and they want to correct our democracy by repealing citizens united (http://www.change.org/petitions/repeal-citizens-united-end-corporate-personhood). They also don’t want a centralized economic system such as in communism but they don’t want a economic system like capitalism that caters the the few 1% and large corporations (not small business like yours) which goes against our democracy a system for the many. I believe like some others that the solution is “Economic Democracy” as a new economic system as a mean between the two extremes of capitalism and communism, I would suggest that you actually read up on it before forming an opinion, here is a wikipedia link to start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_democracy

Also you can read some of my own articles on the subject at http://www.demoskratia.org/

Now the poster in question is mostly relating to the Tienanmen Square incident (which was a mass protest AGAINST communism) here is a link to an iconic image from that which inspired the above poster: https://wiki-land.wikispaces.com/file/view/tiananmen_square.jpg/213371396/tiananmen_square.jpg

No one is saying that people like your mother and you shouldn’t be allowed to own your own business but what they are saying is that large national/international corporations shouldn’t be allowed to buy our politicians and political parties through contributions and that they shouldn’t be allowed to lobby the government for their self interest which in the majority of cases is against the public good. There is a good film that illustrates some of the misgivings that large corporations under the current system of no regulation creates, I suggest you watch it, its very informative as a primer: http://www.thecorporation.com/ you can find it on netflix.

Anonymous

Yes they DO want do overthrow the economic system and they want communism! Do you not watch the videos on FOX & THE BLAZE? I agree that or system is flawed but it can be made better if our current system of government is radical changed to allow more free enterprise and less intrusion on commerce and our way of life! The government is there to PROTECT our FREEDOMS…not to regulate our welfare!

http://www.demoskratia.org Armando Hechavarria

First when you say they it is not very accurate because those who support OWS like myself have diverging ideas of exactly what and how to change. Second yes some like myself do want to ‘overthrow’ the current economic system mainly because it does not work (please read my comment and read/watch the materials posted in order for you to understand why). Third none of the OWS supporters want communism. I myself as an OWS supporter DO NOT want communism. Communism is counter to what the movement is fundamentally about which is Democracy (ideology 101 the political structure of communism is that of a dictatorship which counter to our unquestionable desire and support to a democratic system). Also to answer your question (pardon my language) hell NO I do not watch Fox News, they are completely biased and one of the main sources of misinformation to the American public (my suggestion to you is to STOP watching Fox which has conflict of interest with corporations and read books and perhaps if time does not permit documentaries, knowledge is power and true knowledge comes from you reading for your self and not listening to others, which is why I like to set links and recommend to read various books on a range of topics so that one can see that what I say is self evident). Also when you say that the system “can be made better if our current system of government is radically changed to allow more free enterprise and less intrusion” you are advocating a prescription (pushed by Fox & Corporate interests) which would only make things worse because that is exactly what caused and is causing: the recession of our economy, social degradation, and the widening of the wealth gap and the destruction of our middle class. More freedom to corporations is what allowed the housing market crash of 2008 because they repealed Glass-Steagall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glass%E2%80%93Steagall_Act) they deregulated the banks (financial corporations) and they in pursuit of profits without regard to our nations economic stability caused a market failure because of they’re cheating/greed which is easy to understand if you stay out of a business’s way i.e. deregulate an industry that simply means there is no watch man or in a sense police making sure they are not cheating, mistreating workers, hurting the environment, or participating in shady dealings that can bring our’s or the global economy down. What we need is not more freedom or deregulation for enterprises but more regulation. Over the last decades they have systematically abolished legislation that protected our economy (legislation that was for the most part enacted after the great depression) from the frenzy cut throat pursuit of profit which is basically financial anarchy. Please click on some of the links in the other post of mine above and stop listening to Fox News and get informed (perhaps read about Fox New’s fraudulent biases). Here are some links about Fox News that I found I am sure you can read a bunch more for your self and verify them yourself and come to the same logical conclusion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News_Channel_controversieshttp://www.oreilly-sucks.com/foxbias.htmhttp://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1067

Anonymous

full of crap

Anonymous

“some like myself do want to ‘overthrow’ the current economic
system mainly because it does not work (please read my comment and
read/watch the materials posted in order for you to understand why).”

I’ve got a better idea, how about I look at history — thousands of years of it, and realize that a Capitalist Republic truly is the ONLY system that works….

Darn those pesky facts….

http://www.demoskratia.org Armando Hechavarria

“I’ve got a better idea, how about I look at history — thousands of years of it, and realize that a Capitalist Republic truly is the ONLY system that works….”
Your post made me laugh pretty hard and then it made me feel sad for the lack of knowledge in the general public. I could spend my time writing a complete response with a refresh on history and cite sources for you from various textbook/universities but I’ve already wasted more than enough of my time on this site (trying to see if people can rationalize). Now the fact that you wrote the above plainly shows that you lack a general overview of history. Just to inform you Capitalism (in its modern incarnation which is what your referring too) has not existed for thousands of years not even close, but only a few hundred years in its primitive form and gained widespread acceptance in the 19th & 20th centuries. It is commonly understood that it arose with the bourgeoisie(merchant class) after the demise of feudalism. I so I would correct you and say that the better idea is to actually read, rather than post things without actually understanding. It is problem within our society that many tend to give into an idea or movement or group without really understanding the implications of the ideas being followed nor do people actually read (books, take classes etc.) about opposing views.

To be an informed citizen one has to read up on both sides of the argument, not just listen to the rhetoric of those with whom one feels aligned too. It is important to actually read the sources of the many ideas in this world, whether it is actually reading the works of socialist thinkers like Karl Marx or reading the works of the various capitalist thinkers like Milton Friedman or Ludwig Von Mises. The fact is that no one should believe something just by listening to an interpretation by someone else (like Glenn Beck) on the matter but should read for themselves and then examine the world, its history, and finally use reason to arrive at a logical conclusion (aka critical thinking).

Now, I wouldn’t disagree in saying that capitalism works to a certain extent, because it does work in continuing technological innovation because of the presence of a market. However capitalism has served its purpose and we know that it is not a system that is sustainable in the long run and that it produces large social-economic inequalities because according to the theory there is no limit to the amount of wealth one can generate, however the idea of infinity is illogical and impossible because nothing in our physical universe is infinite, everything is finite. Now I am personally not against private property nor am I against companies (in fact I have my own) and I support the idea of a free market. However the current system needs to be replaced because it is not sustainable and creates too of gaps in incomes (the fact that people exist who have literally nothing while at the same time there are people with over 40 billion dollars is a testament to that). We need a new system that maintains the free market, continues to allow private property, and allows businesses to exist but that changes some of the structures of capitalism that don’t work and cause the income disparity and market instability. Such is system is ‘Economic Democracy’, in it are a few fundamentally different structures that give more stability and fairness. To go into detail would require another essay from me, however you can wikipedia it or just read an article of mine to start off: http://www.demoskratia.org/economic-democracy/

I do ask that instead of just saying something because you emotionally feel it, that you actually read up on some of these things. It would be foolish and ignorant to not inform your self so that you can make a rational decision. Peace.

Anonymous

Since the system doesn’t leave an option to reply to Armando, I’ll reply to my own comment to get it close…

When you finish laughing and feeling sad. Perhaps you can start with the core of your logic and realize it’s fatally flawed. Infinity does exist. The universe itself is without beginning or end. Matter is not created or destroyed, and the limits of space are well — limitless / infinite. No matter how much you want it to change, 2+2 will always equal 4. Forever.

Kissing up to your Marxist professors doesn’t make you educated or wise. The Wizard of Oz said it best when he told the scarecrow that he couldn’t give him a brain, but he COULD give him a diploma. We all know that our system of government hasn’t been around for thousands of years, and we also know that it has been corrupted and needs some restoration. We also have thousands of years of history to see what does NOT work. We know that the US Constitution has created a system that has resulted in advances and wealth far beyond anything in history. It is because of our freedoms, that the poorest among us live in far better conditions than those in other nations with inferior and oppressive governments.

Capitalism is the only economic system that CAN exist without the destruction of our freedoms. The problems with the system today are that the government intrudes too much and meddles where it ought not. Now you’re probably too young to remember the Soviet Union, but you’d do well to educate yourself and learn about the real results of what you call for. Rather than a good feeling your Marxist professor gave you while stuffing your head full of straw.

Anonymous

to A. We don’t have better, because we don’t do better, and we don’t do better because we don’t know of any better! VIVA knowledge! pity that bookstores are less and less because we go green and get books ‘online’. Coming from a developing country this is not possible all the time because we don’t have free wifi to just quickly download info or a book …. when we make access to knowledge difficult for the middle-class and the poor…. how would we free the minds of the masses casting the vote for governments that rule the economy and social structures ?

Angela Franks

You should try researching anarcho-communism. It is what you are describing to advocate for as are many of your OWS cohorts.

Anonymous

to A. watching students peacefully demonstrating for OWS and then being sprayed with pepper spray up close in their face makes me wonder about America’s approach to ‘freedom of speech’? A new building in Washington DC called “American institute for peace”? makes me giggle with nervousness …

Anonymous

Armando, what history does Vanessa need to read up on, she was there and these are her feelings.
Are you suggesting her personal opinions are wrong? or just wrong because they differ from your collectives? I visited your site “demoskratia.org” and its very telling, but communism is not a new idea. The government demands (nicely, then reeducation, then force) you give up personal freedoms for the good of the “collective”.This, by definition is communism, no matter what you call it. In that system Vanessa and her family business would never be, and her disability would label her as at the very least “less than” worthy. As to your explanation of the poster, it does relate to Tienanmen Square,however the above article if you had read it goes deeper…i.e. n17,,Greece.
As far as capitalism,the system that affords you this freedom of speech,it works very well and has for 250 years. Yes,the banks stole from us, and the politicians are in their pockets,( both republicans and democrats) this is why more than ever we need to be or become involved. Ours is a representative democracy, of and by the people, and we can vote to change its laws and governors.

http://www.facebook.com/wesley.burt Wesley Burt

The Athens Polytechnic uprising which took place on Nov. 17, 1973, the event which the above poster pays homage to was not a communist movement. The Greek military junta of 1967–1974 was literally a fascist dictatorship. Not fascist in the name calling “Glenn Beck is a fascist” sense but in the actual policy and definition.

Granted, a terrorist organization also payed homage to the brave individuals who stood up to fascism in Greece. But the poster above invokes no ties to the terror cell. In fact it says right at the top in bold letters “non-violent.’ The tank imagery ties directly to the narrative of Nov, 17 1973 when tanks disrupted a non-violent protest against a oppressive regime that denied civil rights to it’s citizens immediately after taking power in a coup d’état.

Also, I have no understanding for how the poster can be classified as “obvious Communist imagery.” When I saw the poster I immediately thought of the brave young democracy advocates who stood up to an oppressive communist regime in Tienanmen Square, this is clearly not communist imagery. If you are referring to the propaganda look of the poster, I would encourage you to look up the U.S.’s old war bond posters, they are similar in style and encourage citizens to “Fight the Huns.” Or don’t, you might be disgusted by our country’s use of “communist imagery.”

Think before you post. In writing an article that says paying respect to people who stood up to a fascist dictatorship is somehow inappropriate or offensive, you have, essentially, alligned yourself with fascism.

http://www.facebook.com/wesley.burt Wesley Burt

The Athens Polytechnic uprising which took place on Nov. 17, 1973, the
event which the above poster pays homage to, was not a communist
movement. The Greek military junta of 1967–1974 was literally a fascist
dictatorship. Not fascist in the name calling “Glenn Beck is a fascist”
sense but in the actual policy and definition.

Granted, a
terrorist organization also payed homage to the brave individuals who
stood up to fascism in Greece. But the poster above invokes no ties to
the terror cell. In fact it says right at the top in bold letters
“non-violent.’ The tank imagery ties directly to the narrative of Nov,
17 1973 when tanks disrupted a non-violent protest against a oppressive
regime that denied civil rights to it’s citizens immediately after
taking power in a coup d’état.

Also, I have no understanding for
how the poster can be classified as “obvious Communist imagery.” When I
saw the poster I immediately thought of the brave young democracy
advocates who stood up to an oppressive communist regime in Tienanmen
Square, this is clearly not communist imagery. If you are referring to
the propaganda look of the poster, I would encourage you to look up the
U.S.’s old war bond posters, they are similar in style and encourage
citizens to “Fight the Huns.” Or don’t, you might be disgusted by our
country’s use of “communist imagery.”

Think before you post. In
writing an article that says paying respect to people who stood up to a
fascist dictatorship is somehow inappropriate or offensive, you have,
essentially, alligned yourself with fascism.

Anonymous

Nothing new for liberals. They lie when the truth is easier and more beneficial to them. It is their stock in trade. Even RoeV.Wade was a bogus case. The liberal press marveled at how well Bill Clinton could spin (lie). DC needs a good house cleaning. It seems if OWS were really concerned about corruption, they would occupy DC.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Jon-Watts/1776867943 Jon Watts

Where is Janet Napolitano now? I want to report someone suspicious. How about we start with Molotovs for Macy’s guy, 911 more 9/11s guy, and work our way up to the OWS supporter in chief?

Way to generalize there Pete. Could it be this is the first he’s heard of it? Makes me wonder what you’re touting…the character assassination of Glenn perhaps?

Anonymous

This is hardly a civilian protest. The organisers and participants seem to be dyed in the wool Enemies of the State and their declarations a threat of belligerence.

With an impartial media we could communicate this and the National Guard could come in, detain the leaders under Treason – Aid and Comfort to the Enemy laws and send them on a bumpy chopper flight to Gitmo.

Won’t happen under Archtraitor BO – well, he isn’t American so not traitor but Enemy Agent – but I can experience some moments of bliss at the thought…

http://www.facebook.com/people/Jon-Watts/1776867943 Jon Watts

I would submit that they are collaborators of the state. Not the constitutional state, but the Manchurian statists that have been freely elected into their positions by oblivious Americans. The entire Democrat cabal and many of their Republican quisling minions need to take that same chopper ride to GITMO.

Anonymous

so you’re saying that everyone involved is culpable because of a tenuous tie to an organization that only a few know about? its sorta like saying that i’m involved in the occult because i take my kid trick or treating…, or that i am involved in ancestor worship because its the day of the dead in places, and that by dressing my child up as a bumble bee i secretly want to abolish christianity and set up a state based on mexican drug lords and occult ancestor worship. i guess you could say that, and say that young kids upset about bank bailouts are secretly supporting greek terrorists from the 80’s. as long as you substitute unfounded speculation for logic and research i suppose.

And yes they do not cease to amaze me either; for as one person declared, the ways of the clueless and the idiotic are without ending or number, yet they all lead over the same cliff eventually. In the case of these OWS groups there never is a white cobra around when you need one.

Anonymous

Uh, Vanessa, yeah. I think Civil War is a big possibility. Scares the crap out of me. I have 2 11-year-olds and that’s not what I want for them, but I also don’t want these occupy nuts in charge, or even their bestest-buds (that’s be the democrat establishment).

http://www.facebook.com/people/Jon-Watts/1776867943 Jon Watts

“When socialism loses it’s luster, it is polished with the treads of tanks” – The Free Ranger

Anonymous

I think the most interesting thing in the whole poster is the part where is says “resist austerity”. Since when have we talked about austerity in this country? Austerity is what they are talking about in Europe, and therein lies the truth of the matter. Occupy is not organic, spontaneous, independant or anything else. This is organized European socialism and Eastern communism attempting to take hold in the US. Wake up people. This is real, and it’s dangerous.

Mara Shingleton

Personally I think the most interesting thing about the whole poster is the fact that it’s of tank man, the universally famous symbol of ANTI COMMUNISM…but it’s okay, we can twist everything that anyone with any knowledge of pro-democracy movements would know so we can fit the story of N17 somehow in a poster that says the complete opposite. This is ridiculous. Wake up people. THE POSTER IS SHOWING DEMOCRACY if you know anything about history. This is real, and it’s dangerous that you are so misguided.

Anonymous

The poster is glaringly communist. You can analyze it all you want, and try to find items that contradict the whole if you choose, but the imagery is classic.

I think this one may be just a rare occurrence that they are calling it N17 day of action. However, how they are acting. That is the problem.

Anonymous

Have you noticed that all the terrorists associate certain dates to actions they consider optimum to their cause? And our non educated idiots have’nt a clue. Or if they do they do ,it’s part of the *mystery*,the nostalgia,of their parents pasts adding imputus to their currant cause de jure.
It’s the ignorance that will bring about our revolution…on a par to exceed the Civil War.

Also on November 17th, 1800 –
The United States Congress holds its first session in Washington, D.C.
1820 – Captain Nathaniel Palmer becomes the first American to
see Antarctica (the Palmer Peninsula is later named after him). 1871 –
The National Rifle Association is granted a charter by the state of New
York. 1919 – King George V of the United Kingdom proclaims Armistice Day
(later Remembrance Day). 1962 – President John F. Kennedy dedicates
Dulles International Airport, serving the Washington, D.C. region. 1970 –
Douglas Engelbart receives the patent for the first computer mouse…. Muhahaha!!!

Anonymous

That is a racist picture. All those prostestors are black with white shirts, black pants, carrying 2 old white bags. These protestors are hateful racists.

I remember a conservative group set up a table at one of these events with job apps from major corporations and the protesters only took two apps. One for Disney and one for Solendra. They don’t want jobs they want hand outs. I got more respect for panhandlers at least they are honest about being bums.

Anonymous

Then again this day in history recalls the 1777, Congress submits the Articles of Confederation to the states for ratification.
The historic tea party we all know about; East India Company controlled all the tea imported into the colonies. So, yes it was privately owned by a monopoly.
The colony wanted representation in Parliment. Those in Parliment who could do math figured at the rate the colonies were growing Parliment would soon be taken over by Parlimentarians from the colonies. I.E. number of people you represent. MY GOD man we can’t have our government run by those quakers,puritians and slaves we threw out.
Parliment coming off 2 costly wars and the colonies not paying their fair share for military protection, felt the tax was justified.
The people of the day achieved what they protested & fought for, representation WITH taxation.

Anonymous

Complete fools…Remove these anarchists…They need to go away…

Mara Shingleton

dude…listen..
it’s a picture of Tank Man from the Tiananment Square protests…do you know anything about communism? This photo represents the act of one brave man, who represented a nation of people, who stood up AGAINST COMMUNISM. This picture has stood for PRO DEMOCRACY, and an end to violence and political purges. The government executed General Yaobang because he promoted a free market and transparent government. Therefore, the people took to the streets all over China and this image of “Tank Man”, who refused to let tanks come to destroy the people (who wanted democracy, mind you!), had to be smuggled out of that country because it showed just how bad the situation was…how the political and humans rights of the Chinese were continually violated through the Communist Party’s “government”.

It’s not funny that you’re misleading people. This image speaks the exact opposite of what you’re going on about..about N17. How dare you utilize today’s date as a way to undermine the protesters. Regardless of how you feel about the protesters, DO NOT compare them to a terrorist organization. I am a college student who studies political science and international relations. I am fortunate to have received the education (however basic it may be) regarding Tank Man and the anti-communist movement. Perhaps while you’re cozy with the Council of Foreign Relations, you should ask them why this picture has absolutely nothing to do with N17. I mean, they have the same date in common, I’ll give you that. But so does a calendar…

Shame on you for missing out on this opportunity to learn that the protesters are not these leftist terrorists, but actually the complete opposite. In the link you give (from theblaze), it shows a very upset man talking about violence. Did you catch however, the majority of the video, where they show an older woman being handcuffed by three police officers without resisting (and without anyone knowing what she did wrong–then again, she looks and acts like a total terrorist gosh), as well as the people holding signs promoting education, transparent government, and end to war (cough..anti-violent..cough)??

Get your facts straight. I can’t wait to get my degree and prominently ignore articles like this, which contain slanderous and false advertising..

You think you’re a patriot. I don’t. How dare you misconstrue this.

matt white

Will someone please put up on a teleprompter for the President of The United States how many states are in this great nation?

57

Anonymous

Hahahahah although there Are 57 Islamic states. Then there’s Ha. a Asian country. Corpse,for Corp. he stutters,hem’s and haws,when off tele-prompter…and on ,and on.

Anonymous

Everything they’ve been doing has had references to communist/socialist actions in world history. Just wait until May1st rolls around next spring.

Anonymous

A most excellent post. For sh**t and giggles during the snow storm,I visited twitter on the weather channel. That was enlightening,to be sure! Did’nt know they allowed such posts.

Anonymous

And Ryan forgot Cuba. You sir are delusional….extremists always use subversive counter culture propaganda,whether in print,speech,or a slight *twisting* of their truth. They count on young folks’ ignorance. I could’nt find a referance to my post,are you sure you have the right gal? And Fascists? I hardly think so.I’m 52,I received a well rounded education thankyou very much….which is Not something these kids can say today…

Ryan Frederick

not all of us are that bad:) could allways learn more. this other Ryan must be a moron to qestion how smart you are. alot of young people think their elders are stupid. i find i learn more from my grandmother then i do from Glenn Back. also i was blessed with some of my grandfather notes that he took on books he read. i wish i he was still with us miss him alot.

Anonymous

Ryan,I used your reply box,to continue the thread…You,Sir…Saluting smartly…are no moron!! Smiles. My grandma,and all the folks I felt more comfortable with fed my craving for a different kind of Truth….a moral truth…there Are no grey areas,there is right and wrong…history actually teaches this,through our wizened ones-if we’d only listen. You can imagine how popular I was with my teachers,instructors,classmates loved it because I’d be questioning “a Teacher”,therby disrupting class for a bit of entertainment on their part,but I was in earnest.It put me at odds w/teacher(s),thankfully I was an Endearing precocious child and very few animosities lingered. Smiles…waving

http://www.thefriendcenter.com/ SoThere

barb, do you use Disqus Dashboard to post from?

“TMP”

Ryan Frederick

i did not know you can do that.

http://www.thefriendcenter.com/ SoThere

It’s easier than posting on a single site under one topic.
Here’s how to do it.
Go to the topic you’re following, look to the right of the box you post from. You’ll see a box that says “Disqus”, put your arrow on the box and you’ll see a menu. Click on Dashboard and it will take you to the Disqus Dashboard. It will show your posts and replies to you from any site that is run by Disqus like GB.com and Mediaite. If you want to follow a person you can select “Follow” on that persons profile and you will see all the posts they make and you can reply to that person directly from Dashboard and the topic never runs out of reply boxes.

“TMP”

http://www.thefriendcenter.com/ SoThere

Ryan, it allows you to be on a dozen sites all at the same time from one place.

“TMP”

http://www.thefriendcenter.com/ SoThere

Ryan, it allows you to be on a dozen sites all at the same time from one place. Ryan, click on my Avatar and sign up for the Friend Center. The addy is at the top of my profile page. Ask for CJ.

“TMP”

Anonymous

@SoThere:disqus Thankyou for All the information.I’ve learnrd so much from you..Peoples eyes glaze over when I ask questions. Because most of thes terms,I have’nt a clue what they mean. I’m a reader,got the book…Windows7 for seniors-figured i would help? Not on your life. All greek for me. Did Alot better figuing it out on my own. Lean things Everyday…you’re a sweetheart.

Anonymous

Not always,from the baze also.But alot Iguess.Shoot my bill last month was 265.00,should have been 55 or so,and I always click the x when I back out…any suggestions?

http://www.thefriendcenter.com/ SoThere

You need DSL flat rate cable access. $265 is a lot of dough.

“TMP”

Anonymous

And howdy! Thinking of breaking contract and doing that.I’d be cheaper if this keeps up. I raised holy crap about this, I always *back out*,close windows,and turn off connections.Wonder if it’s available in the country,I should’ve stayed with local co.I asked the right questions,got screwed on the results. I’ll do that tomorrow thanks.

Ryan Frederick

So there right it cost alot less.

Ryan Frederick

Proverbs is a great book to read to writen for young people like me. all of it still relavent today. i lovw reading it. their are parts in it that explain were these protesters come from.LOL!

Anonymous

Yes,Ryan…but the old adage:….leading ahorse to water-but you can’t make him drink….Also applies. I thank God everyday there are folfs like you who DO read proverbs!!! I do…very appropriate…good one.Ryan…smiles.

Anonymous

Glenn you helped bring down Van Jones, and I knew as soon as you did , they would find a much more important place for him.., Marxist’s are what all of the czars are, they smile on the inside when they turn peaceful America into the likes of Greece. I don’t know how any college students can not see the dangers of the Socialist and Communist party , but I’m guessing they learned nothing about History and never had to live in such a country..If they did they would know they don’t want this..others forcing upon you, what they desire. One big giant car jacking of America…forget the Constitution , the President did..How come the guy threatening to burn down Macy’s didn’t go straight to jail..How come Treason is no longer a crime>/?

http://www.facebook.com/drjeffreykmooresnr Jeffrey Moore

Maranantha!

Anonymous

They can do there worst, but I believe that there are more of US than there are of them…I’m preparing…..SO…I’VE DECIDED I’M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND “CLING TO MY GOD AND MY GUNS”!!!….Who’s with me?

Ryan Frederick

i will cling to my god but i don’t have the money for a gun does a bow count:(

Yes,I know the movie was over the top-but still loved it-watched it the other day

Anonymous

Ryan if there’s time I’ll Give you one of mine….abow works for me also. Any preference? Revolver,semi-auto,rifle,shotgun?

Ryan Frederick

i don’t think i need one i am a good shot with my bow and like spazmasterflex07 good ranged weapon that makes no noise. never shot a gun.

Anonymous

It’s the thought that count. I love the shooting sports..for me,it’s a passion. But I also hunt w/ bow.

Ryan Frederick

i don’t hunt just something to do when i have free time.

Anonymous

I don’t unless I need to.I’m also a farmer. I just like to target practice-I’m afraid I enjoy competition…I’m a tomboy…:-D

Anonymous

Spazmaster,and others give sound advice…especially educating oneself…he right they can never take that away,and it’ll serve you well.

Ryan Frederick

oh i have no problem with that i love to read. i find fiction teaches as well as non fiction. like the books i mention before star wars legacy of the force sries it shows how progs can be on both side and how people in government see that they are doing good but becoming a tyrants without them knowing it. i also like to read about historic battles and the tactitcs of the battles. like the art of war done by Tzu Sun i only read small things about it because the book never at the book store when i have money. it was done by a general who took a small country and turned it into China before Christ if i remember right very interresting stuff.

Anonymous

The Art of War is Excellent in flanking your enemies.
I read voraciosly. It’s my only form of relaxation.

Ryan Frederick

same thing with me when i read star wars books. alot of the writers are so good that you can see it in your head. it is allmost like watching a movie.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=62502937 Colleen McGillicuddy

I was just watching the live video stream while listening to the your radio streaming discussing Occupy Wall Street’s signs. Is there a correlation between that propaganda and the flags black and red flags they are waving as they march forward?

Ryan Frederick

could be.

Anonymous

But the commies have to be violent. That’s their end goal. So putting the words “non-violent – direct action” is an oxymoronic statement if one reads their literature. Commie’s are violent in the end. So are muslims if they follow the koran. In contrast, the Tea Party that I have observed and interviewed many of them for the past two years, has been non-violent during it’s entire life cycle. I am proud to have been associated with such outstanding patriots.

Anonymous

You should go out there and interview the protestors. Base your opinions on personal observation and experience. You can watch the protest at the ground level via livestreams. You might be disappointed when your alleged commies are absent. The protestors are Americans like you, the Tea Party, and I.

Anonymous

I’ve studied,read,watched,talked to some of these idiots. They in No way ,shape,or form -resemble MY America-Or my Values…or Morals…..you are delusional.

Anonymous

Yes,and these twerps compare themselves to the Tea Party? Give me a break.

http://twitter.com/Grendel007 jncarlos

We are sitting around still saying “that can happen here”
while we watch it happening…

Anonymous

Not our job at this point, just watching them implode-hopefully.
And praying for no more violence.

Anonymous

Why are you surprised? Mobs work well by yelling some slogan in a chant and let it take on a life of its own. Any idiot that participates in the mob scene will decide for him/her self what violence is needed. The resulting chaos will gratify them for the moment and then it will become inflated beyond their grasp and all hell breaks out.

Its certainly encouraging to hear the great spiritual comments and answers from so many people that believe in the One true God of creation and his word’ containing all the promises we need to over- come the evil that prevails in the world today. ‘Prayer changes things’ scripture tells us. If our president would only realize that this is the only ultimate “change” that will free us from the bondage that our fleshly ideas have gotten us chained as prisoners, then we should act upon what we believe God says and join together in faith and recieve the blessings offered us through our reedemer and Lord Jesus Christ untill he returns in the clouds for his own. Rejoice in this knowledge’

http://twitter.com/BeccaWynne Rebecca Wynne

It seems the only reason you hate the Occupy Wallstreet movement is
because it’s dominated by liberals. But why hate this movement? Do
you, as Capitalists, stand by the market-tampering of the finance
sector? You who believe that Capitalism and Free Market society is
superior (I am one of you, believe it or not!) should be outraged at the
dishonesty of those who helped usher in this recession. For Capitalism
to be successful there needs to be honesty–the better service wins,
the better product is bought, the better price sells–correct? The consumer calls the shots. No
intervention. Well, intervene is what these people who we Occupiers are
protesting did. They were dishonest in their deals within the housing
market. They are not playing by the rules necessary to maintain market integrity. This is an affront to Capitalism. You should be outraged
too. But instead you are complacent and, for some reason, defending the
very people who you should hold accountable. This makes no sense.

Time makes more converts than reason. – Thomas Paine

Anonymous

Hate is such a strong word; my feelings on Occupy are not hate, more disrespect and disdain.

Anonymous

the market tampering was done by Dems. who are anti-capitalists. Your occupying the wrong people. Dems. wrote all the language to Deregulate said markets,Gingrich tried to correct such,and was over-ridden by the majority-Dems. Wallstreet-Dems,dodd/frank..mind you yu=ou do have some Rhinos like Lindsey Graham and such-but it’s mostly The Liberal Left….get an education.

Right Fielder

Shutdown. Occupy. Take. Nothing peaceful about it. They’re a pile of thugs and useful idiots. America is not buying their lies; no peace in their plan.

Anonymous

I was in Greece when N17 killed those Americans. It was tragic. N17 is very anti-American and are on the top of the terrorist list. I can’t believe that anyone claiming to be for the US (like the occupiers are) would support such a group and idolize them. Obviously they are not pro-American, and they are lucky to live in a free capitalist society, even though they want to destroy it, where they can make such outrageous comments against the state without suffering repercussions.

Anonymous

Are you kidding me? November 17th happens to be the second month anniversary of the occupation.
At this rate and using this method to peddle these false ideas, we can expect more damning evidence on the 17th of December… ever heard of 17 D or D 17?

Anonymous

Alot of these people need to be re-educated. one way is send them overseas to view how the other side of the world Really is.Not what they’ve been told it is by Marxist professors,and their ilk. they can protest there,see how long their lily white pampered butts last….waving a send off

Anonymous

Gee Glenn, can I get some of that Goldline gold? Or are they all in jail now?

Anonymous

Your smarm school called – they want the cap an gown returned.

Anonymous

Did not the guy that wanted to investigate them have to resign from Congress? And get replaced by a Republican?

Anonymous

Yes, I believe that is indeed correct sir.

Anonymous

I know it is correct.

Anonymous

Yeah, guess it’s too late for hot dogging like that…

http://www.facebook.com/people/Aaron-Renshaw/1019521999 Aaron Renshaw

There’s also a guy standing in front of the tank. Obviously a Tiananmen Square reference, right?

Seriously, just let them protest. It is within their right to do so. Besides that, I can almost guarantee that none of those guys have ever heard of N17 or 17N. Jesus, stop sensationalizing and drawing false parallels.

Roger Berens

How ironic! These angry, destructive, anti-social vermin have taken up the name of a violent Marxist group. I keep hearing them repeat the phrase “economic justice.” That is a code phrase for redistributing wealth and robbing productive people to pay off the unproductive for their votes. These lazy idiots want more government involvement in the economy, more wealth theft and taxation, and more government hand-outs for them. They are too clueless to understand that government involvement in the economy is what started this mess. If they got their way there would be no more of the consumer products that they love so much. I am convinced that many of the protesters are useless, self-absorbed, fools who will probably end up on the public dole.

Anonymous

Doesn’t the “Occupy Movement” have to define its purpose before it can gain significant traction?

Anonymous

Yes they do, and no they haven’t. The only movement they have defined was photographed on the left rear quarter panel on a NYPD cruiser.

Anonymous

I know it was’nt meant to be funny-but:AHaaaahaha. OMG!

Anonymous

Reading these comments make me believe you are a “god fearing”,”patriotic”,”educated”,”well off”, and are DEFINITELY not “terrorists”. Yet I read posts openly discussing bows as a good silent weapons to use on THEM. I noticed how posters also mentioned how the protestors have tunnel vision and won’t budge… sounds like you guys may have more in common than you think. I woul like to ask the readers, if you don’t agree with an idea, isn’t it the more mature thing to do and go on with your lives since “these people” aren’t a threat to you? Name calling and disrespect to fellow Americans remiscent of grade school. I guess that’s the beauty of this country, citizens can speak freely without fear of censorship and act like children regardless of age.

LOL if feel insulted by this harmless post, then I believe you are part of the problem I described above. U MaD?

Its funny how you and Mara create accounts and attack me at the same time isn’t it? Its almost as if it is an organized effort.

Anonymous

I have no idea who Mara is. But does that coincidence discredit me? Connecting the dots between events and linking them to causes sounds like you believe in conspiracy. There is nothing wrong with being skeptical, I encourage it! But throwing blanket statements around and parroting catch phrases like troll, tea-baggers, hippies, libertards, communist, marxist won’t result in a real discussion. The greatest debates take place where ideas meet. Embrace the unknown and uncertainty, it’ll allow you to grow as an adult and expand your horizons. Are you afraid of engaging? Don’t be so defensive! I don’t bite. Besides you are safe in a comfortable spot sitting behind a monitor

That is exactly what is going on. We should spread the word that the OWS is up to this . They will be infiltrating the conservative sites that are against what they are pushing for. They will try to soft talk you into seeing their side of things – don’t let them put the squeeze on you. This is not the only site they are going to do it to. If you have any suspicions, check out their profiles – thay will be new.

In reply to Sandie They post at regular times , new accounts, always media matters talking points and they like each others post. If your here long enough you can pick them out just from their patterns. Media matters must feed them a lot of fiber because they are so regular you can set a watch to them.

Anonymous

JW,

Your logic I flawed and comical at best. Anything that requires a response from you is an attack? New accounts will be created by people that have a different point of view. Did you honestly think a Glenn Beck supporter will agree with me?

The reason the media is so important is because it is the sole method of getting information out on a broad level. One person’s OPINION is not the voice of the country.

Sandie

They know from experience that they can’t get anywhere by hard confrontation, so they are on the forums trying to soft peddle their ideology. You can see the psychology of what they are doing right in their posts. This is as old as the study of psychology.

Anonymous

@facebook-100001282155183:disqus ,Ijust learned that from SoThere.You guys are right on the money.
Sandi,psycology 101. The soft ball approach only lasts for so long,then desends into chaos.

Mara Shingleton

j.w. proves AmericanLikeU’s point…wow. For those of you who don’t know what trolling is, J.w. just defined it: it’s someone who says stuff to start an argument on a forum which typically attacks someone else, and in the process, misses out on the essence of the main issue. This is AmericanLikeU’s point.

This is a fine example of trolling:
J.w. said earlier: “Study all you can now before they burn the books”. Don’t you think you’re inciting something here? how dare you make a reference Nazi Germany, or some orwellian society, to make a really very poor prediction that trolls this entire forum. Whether or not you support the big corporations making so much and not providing jobs, but instead getting big bonuses, you simply can’t tell me these people are communists when they are sporting Tank Man on their poster. Don’t know who tank man is?? Trust me, I’m not trolling, I’m actually saying something relevant. more relevant than this nonsense N17 this author pulled out of his ..ahem.
Last time I checked, the three policemen were handcuffing an elderly woman while protesters took photos, videos, and anything to show how they are being attacked for what they’re doing. This is identical to what happened in Tiananmen Square with Tank Man, when the video footage of that symbolic moment had to be smuggled out of the country for fear of people like you, who dismiss their freedom of speech and right to assemble as a preclude to anarchy, communism, and violence.

Burning books and seizing weapons are the first steps in the type of totalitarian rule your occupy friends want to bring here. I study history and see a pattern starting. What is happening now is the first steps in a dictatorship.

Mara Shingleton

Since you study history, are you aware of Tank Man and the Tiananmen Square protests? About how they were protesting AGAINST COMMUNISM and for political liberalization? If so, take a look at the poster that is featured here…it is the single best, well known image for anti communism, and the fact that this author is saying otherwise is bastardizing history. Anyone who knows history can agree with this. Moreover, the OWS protesters are AGAINST war, pro-education, pro-small business, and anti-corrpution. What history have you been studying..?

Its easy to use imagery to fool the stupid. If half those protesters knew what their leadership stood for there wouldn’t be a movement.
And why are they not protesting the guys in congress who gutted the laws that protect us from those “greedy bankers”?

Anonymous

The glaringly obvious difference between your characterization of the Tiananmen Square protests and the Occupy protests are the Communists are involved in the ranks of the protesters. Yet you would have us believe they can do no harm or wrong. Tell that to the victims of violent attacks within the bounds of the Occupy camps. I’ll bet they have a different opinion.

The OWS protesters are waging a war in the streets and invading private and public property in a tactic of area denial in an effort to exclude all other citizens who have a right to be there as well.

I don’t have to tolerate outlaw behavior, and for you to sit there and support the protest in every way possible. People with a sane and rational mind are not going to agree with you no matter what kind of iconography or propaganda your movement generates.

The occupy movement is dead in several cities, and will be in all others soon.

RIP Occupy.

Anonymous

Mara, you are a poor deluded soul.

The enforcement of the laws that these people are breaking is not a crime, so why do you and your leftist friends insist that it is? I know in your world they can do no wrong, but here in reality, if you violate the law, and resist arrest, the police are going to take you to jail and you will be held for trial.

The OWS protesters are violating the law by occupying private property which the owner was generous enough to allow public access to, but that is not permission to seize and hold real estate. The trespassing statutes are very clear, and the whole occupation was tolerated for more than enough time to communicate their message. The fact that they were so ill prepared and so ineffective at communicating anything at all is their problem.

The amount of criminal activity that has gone on at the Occupy sites across the country is reason enough to evict them. If the Occupiers had kept their noses clean and actually been peaceful then this would not be an issue, but despite the continued claims that they are peaceful when the evidence clearly indicates that they are not is just plain nonsense.

So Mara, can you see why the rest of us are sick and tired of the lies, the crime and the chaos?

Anonymous

hope you don’t mind,Doodadio,had to copy and send. Your posts are really good-Thanks!

Anonymous

Yours free of charge. Enjoy!

Anonymous

Thankyou so much,my brain works just fine it’s the 2 fingered typing,cordinating with my brain,not so much…now a pen a paper…I’m hell on wheels..smiles,waving.

Anonymous

Thankyou so much,my brain works just fine it’s the 2 fingered typing,cordinating with my brain,not so much…now a pen a paper…I’m hell on wheels..smiles,waving.

Anonymous

thankyou so much,my brain works just fine-it’s the 2 fingered typing and co-ordination that entails that slows me down. Now give me pen and paper,and I’m hell on wheels.
Smiling….wavimg

Ryan Frederick

so you like to take thing out of context and lie about other people. hay moron these post never mention shooting some one unless of attack and busting someone door down to burn books is one of them. i don’t care how self inportant you think you are you bust my door down you going to get shot. get a life moron.

Anonymous

Ryan Frederick,

You are the prime example of the kind of behavior issues the entire human race suffers from. Does throwing an insult over the internet make you feel powerful because you have a firearm beside you? Calm down, you’re taking things out of context. If you bothered to read through the post, you will find exactly what I mentioned.

Why are you so angry? Afraid someone will steal something from you?

Ryan Frederick

no but i will deffend myself if i had to. think if god forbid they would go this far what else would happen. what would they do next. people in Gremmay didn’t think the Nazi movement would go that far and look what happen. not saying they are the nazi party and if thing get that bad should we not fight back. most their are calling for marxism down their and how many times did that idea end with out blood spilling because the other guys when the point of no return was reached they did not fight back and how many people that kill. peace is great and all but if the pooh hits the fan wouldn’t you want to be arm to protect your family thats what i am talking about not protecting crap that i can’t take with me but my family. your right i am angry i love this country but i do not it destroyed because of some fools deside that people need to be forced to give or die. i am sorry but when it is time to stand instead of watching your family die you have to do what you have to do.

Anonymous

Ryan,

I completely understand your point of view, and I would defend myself and my family if I were theatened. The occupiers should be the least of your worries! I encourage you to find some courage within you to visit an occupation. See for yourself what they are about. Again, throwing blanket statements and repeating what others say isn’t good enough. Find truth through experience. The truth is the majority love this country just like you and I. They also believe in a democratic consensus.

Anonymous

This why our Founders Abhored a democracy! We are a Republic. Why would you imply lack of courage to Ryan? He has more than you do-and he’s Honest….something I believe you may be lacking.

Anonymous

Barb,

You don’t know me, you don’t know what I have, and I am as honest as it gets.

Tell me about what you stand for, and why the protestors are such a threat. Are all your obervations based off what other people have said? I know for a fact that if you were to visit an occupation, your “reasons” will quickly crumble.

Please don’t resort to name calling or more of the behavior that impedes debate. You went through the trouble of posting on several of my replies, I know you are bothered by what I say… I am not trying to change your ideas or morals, I am bringing facts to the table and letting the readers decide on their own.

Ryan Frederick

god i pray that you are right because if you are not the hell will be breaking lose and me and you might have to deffend are family.

Anonymous

Ryan,

Visit them with your family, they will welcome you with open arms and open minds.

Ryan Frederick

with them sending police to the hospitl no thank you

Anonymous

Mt. boy,strlk,vinny-he ‘s smooth,but still a troll by any other name….

Ryan Frederick

a part of me hope he is telling the truth but with all the cirme that is happening down their is counter to what he is saying. he might not of seen it himself but that does not mean it is happening. it would be like trying to find a Black Hole a back yard telescope you are not going to see it. i think that is what this guy problem is. are their problems on wall street with cruption yes but protesting them is not going to do a damn thing about it. what this country needs is a heart transplant not a change of system.

Anonymous

si vis pacem para bellum. If you seek peace prepare for war and it seems you have done so Ryan. Congrats

Ryan Frederick

you have to that is how i see it anyway. i rather be prepared and look foolish instead of unprepared an dead. good talking to you again.

Anonymous

As it is to talk to you.

Anonymous

It’s your sup.ercilious post that set us off.you coache your language in concilitary language,then wham have to throw out those nasty zingers. Troll. Anybody can say anything,just don’t
put people while your posting….especially when you don’t know them.

Anonymous

I’m afraid he tried to quote me on the tunnel-vision,Ryan. I left him a message.Thanks for the boost.

Ryan Frederick

anytime.

Anonymous

I believe you’re quoting mew/tunnel vision. Lord these people are deluded,and do not have critical thinking processes. They Always resort to memorized texts..instead of using coherent arguements.
I bow hunt-silent but deadly…works for me-it’s legal. And they Are a threat to us and this republic. In stead of turning a blind eye-I have a clear unbias picture of just what is coming down the pike,and who,and where this all started from. I don’t delude myself….that makes me Mature.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003077991388 Tiff Cralton

i totally agree our lord will b here soon

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_UZCV2ENAO52TFZCPUTJC64SXD4 Gary

What “lord”? The State? It can wait if that’s the lord you’re talking about.
My Lord says we know not the hour or day of His return. Too many of my brothers allow the Bible to neutralize their actions rather than rallying around truth and liberty.
Speaking truth to power is being “activist”. Jesus did this with truth and love but didn’t settle for lies either!
The walls of Jericho didn’t fall because the righteous were told to just stay home and “pray”!There is little essential difference between a Revival of righteousness and the Revolution of the Mind for both effect policy and the actions of man – good or bad.
Enforcing the Constitution would be a really good start!

http://www.facebook.com/people/Mike-Baldomir/1002703244 Mike Baldomir

Frances Fox Piven was at Queens College today w/ OWS Activists to have a teach-in and planning -workshops- for- action. More proof the hard left is behind OWS.

Anonymous

I used to think Reno,hilary ,were the most scary-Pivens right up with Napolitano also…..makes me shiver in my boots.

a little but i would feel better if it did not look like an old Russian poster. does not look good and if Glenn’s worng then why would they do this it makes their image look like that.

Anonymous

Yep that was the idea….

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=775592968 Evan Cohen

What a load of shit. In all due respect, Mr. Beck, the poster is a direct reference to the “tank stand off” with the lone protester in Tiananmen Square, not to a communist terrorist organization. Also, November 17th happens to be the 2 months anniversary of the movement. ALSO, “N 17″ was not even widely used for the protest today…and you can clearly see it is not even written anywhere on the poster. To those of you who listen to Glenn Beck, look up to Glenn Beck, watch Glenn Beck, I beg you, please, not to cease listening or respecting him, but realize that the information he conjures up is far from factual! Do a bit of research (outside of Fox News or other incredibly biased news institutions) to develop your OWN view point on issues. Peace and love

Anonymous

OWS has nothing on that one man.

Tank man: No organization, no bullhorns, no bottles, no rocks, no trash, no needles, no hedonistic utopia, no physical threat, no poster, no funding, no defecation, no crowds, no Twitter, no Facebook, no slogans, no songs, no whining.

The OWS resort to mob tactics in support of theft and deceivingly imply Freedom and “equality” is their message.

These socialist wanna-be’s love the idea of a socialist state — until their comrades start digging trenches and begin looking for people to fill them with: the 99% that they’ve discovered they can neither feed nor sustain because they have destroyed everything.

http://www.facebook.com/lb.bergman Lb Bergman

Now come on, Glenn, we do live in the txtg age now, a lot of younger folk, they think n txt, write n txt, nd talk n txt….lol…myb that’s it….????? Couldn’t resist. But seriously. I’m gonna check this out. I’d be one hell of a coincidence for sure.

http://www.google.com/profiles/thatenergygirl MyTinyHouse

This is paranoid.

There is a protest at least once a week. The probability that it would fall on a day another protest event occurred sometime in history is pretty good.

Anonymous

We have a poster made for the protests, aside from the obvious Communist imagery, that utilizes tanks. Why tanks? Again–”Twenty students were killed when Greek army tanks suppressed the protests…”

Isn’t it a mock image of the Tiananmen Square protests; hence why he is holding shoping bags.

Anonymous

Use this link and enter 47,000, http://globalrichlist.com/index.php that's the 1%. For a global movement they must have the wrong numbers. Welfare puts you in the top 10%. (I stumbled on this while searching 2012 election stuff “are you in”)

Anonymous

I happened to be on DART yesterday and over heard a few occupiers on the train. They were discussing their plan of action, comparing wounds from fighting with police, and stating “Work with them? F that! We want the country. Watch us throw those MFs out of there! As I listened, I thought “Wow, where’s the peaceful protest here?”
Shortly afterward the DART police entered the train asking for everyone’s ticket. Of course they didn’t have one and they wouldn’t give any ID, so they were escorted off the train at the next stop.
Some are starting to listen to Naomi Wolf in the very disruptive things that she promotes, but they don’t want to listen to the diplomatic things that she suggests. Go figure…

The problem with these people isn’t even necessarily what they are taught. It’s how. They’re turning schools into an “environment to help progress the emotional well being and intellectual well being of the individual”. The problem is the emotional part. You can tell someone whatever you want; if they think logically it won’t matter (unless they literally are not that intelligent). The “useful idiots” backing all this up aren’t necessarily dumb; they were taught wrong. The problem is that when you’re in an emotional state then you can’t think logically. The scary part of the progressives is how advanced their strategies are; they don’t intend to teach people bad facts in order to control them – they intend to teach them to always think with their emotions. When you learn to always think emotionally you are always in an emotional state to some degree. That’s how they control people. That’s why progressives always say things packed with emotion and feeling. It’s the only way they can control those whom were taught that way. You can give a statistic and you can give a teddy bear; if someone is in an emotional state they will choose the teddy bear. The progressives plan is much like something Beck said on the show about the devil targeting jews over time. They never intended to win the first time. They just set the stage. They will – with time – win under their current plan unless people do something about it. Something big. The education plans they offer are ingenious. They give crappy information so that everyone targets it when the real issue is the manner that they teach it in. The focus should be against the manner in which it is taught. The information is out there – people will find it – but they have to know how to look for it. You can’t reason with someone whom is purely emotional either, which is why they have so many little zealot supporters. That’s why you can go up and say stupid things – absolutely ridiculously stupid things – at an occupy rally and get cheered. You have two ways to attack their plan – target education and turn it away from the emotional crap that it currently is (“better dead than red”; just like the red ink thing some teachers went on about) and then add some emotion to your own words. You can use logic and reason all you want; you won’t sway any of their supporters. You have to point out the “social injustice” caused by progressive actions. You have to make it strong and emotional – but you cannot forget to add the logical side as well. Emotional first in presentation though – logical people will simply ignore that part or mostly ignore it but focus on the logical part instead. If you place the logical part first when you talk about issues then you will immediately lose the emotional people. The progressives rule through a very advanced version of “mob mentality”. Rather than just inciting people – they teach them to be susceptible to being incited first. The emotional state control is something they understand very well and they are masters of using it. It’s all directly out of a propaganda play book. The only reason the progressives are so successful is because they enhanced all propaganda play books by making their targets even more susceptible then normal. They push political correctness and “respect” to make conservatives back pedal, then when conservatives are too busy not trying to offend anyone the progressives start their other plans. Political correctness is feint. Then they make a sweeping blow – turning the education environment into an emotional experience. They follow up with a parry – using emotional supporters to block the conservatives who saw the feint. They make a bold move and thrust – win or lose, they don’t care what happens to their supporters. Giving themselves an emotional history will only strengthen their new supporters – the emotional people coming from education. They then repeat the process; simply changing their focus on making education emotional to pushing some other emotional agenda (“they can’t get married! that’s evil, they were born that way!”). Eventually they plan to get a lucky thrust and stab their opponent. They’re patient people. I think whoever coined the term progressive had a twisted sense of humor. They aren’t progressive because they want to “progress society” but rather they are progressives because their strategy is a progressively aggressive one that builds strength with time. That’s why I related it the persecution of the jews earlier in this post. The strategy isn’t a new one in any way – it’s a very old one reapplied. It’s the devil’s game.

Anonymous

BEWARE OF GREEKS BEARING GIFTS! = N17

Ryan Frederick

good one.

Anonymous

indeed

http://www.facebook.com/people/Eric-Bonk/100001609338804 Eric Bonk

Beware! You will be every upset by what you read here.

Anonymous

I have noticed that many comments are about the brainwashing of small children. It seems to me that perhaps, other than protecting unions, this might be why the left is so opposed to school vouchers. Since most private schools are started by capatilists, they won’t be teaching any marxism. It’s only in the public school and universities that this tripe can be taught.

Anonymous

I feel sorry for any police that have to work in these areas. They have a tough enough job as it is now you have morons like this outtheir making cops jobs even more difficult. I wonder how many people have been harmed since the cops are to busy trying to take care of these and clear them out.
O h and one more thought some of these camps have lice and TB I think this is a sign from god that you should go home.

http://twitter.com/UniversalPhilos John

“FOR YOUR FATHER IS LISTENING”
The spiritual messengers of God spoke prophetically in a parable of things to come, yet what was, is and always will be. They said: “We gave you in the beginning of this reading that that could take place upon your Earth. We have also given you an answer of that that you may do of your own free choice to change the Earth – for your Father is listening.”We have a choice. I choose to stand with God. Occupy heaven on earth instead.

In the first half of this message from spiritual messengers of God, May 11, 1979, a way for people of all faiths and ways of occupying this life is given as a reminder of what we each know within.
See http://www.angelfire.com/in4/aup_messiah/1979May11.audio.html

“We gave you in the beginning of this reading that that could take place upon your Earth.
We have also given you an answer of that that you may do of your own free choice to change the Earth -for your Father is listening” May we each remember the way to our Father (by whatever name we know Him) and return to what we always knew when we were born, and know our Creator forever. “CONTINUE TO MAKE YOURSELF PURE IN THE BEGINNING, AND CONTINUE TO TRY TO PURIFY YOURSELF THROUGHOUT YOUR JOURNEY. AND MAN ONE DAY SHALL LEARN FROM YOU, AND A NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH SHALL BE BROUGHT FORTH.”
Want to join us?

I always love it when the bigot starts weaving his web of lies in order to attack, belittle and provide another pathetic attempt to create a conspiracy…In his honor…let us look at his birthday anniversary…
1. Don’t look too hard lemmings, your cult leader and dictator isn’t mentioned!!!
2. bigot beck ignores the fact that a Texas congressman is Anti-Semitic!!!
3. I know that his cult won’t admit or are too far gone to see it, but gb is striving to be a dictator…
1. little hitler (gb) always cries and rants about American children being indoctrinated even though he continually tells America that they need to teach their children his “truths”
2. little hitler attacks and bashes Americans when they appose his dictatorial agenda but supports groups that praise his strict agenda
3. little hitler attacks Jewish people in order to appease the ultra right wing kkk and vigilantes in order to have enough violent power to make a push for a more powerful position

Let us just admit it. little hitler is a want to be dictator…It is pretty simple to see!!!

Anonymous

Trolls are trained by Soros Troll Central/Media Matters/MoveOn.org in several tactics:
1. Clog the site with posts so no one can find the serious discussion.
2. Post spam on every possible article.
3. Be so obnoxious the traffic on the site will be reduced
4. Continue to post the same talking point repeatedly despite the fact it has been soundly refuted.
5. Accuse your opponent of what you are doing.

Anonymous

Strtlk, Mtclayboy, Vinnie, et al:

Unlike you and your multiple sock puppets, I am but one person, and projecting your paranoid delusions upon me is completely inadequate. If you think it is possible to turn a conversation into a physical confrontation your are more unstable and even more cowardly.

You had your chance to be a man and chose not to meet with So There at the Vietnam Memorial Wall this past Veterans Day, and you even had to weasel on that and send a surrogate who never showed up even though So There was waiting for both of you. Your lies and con games show that you are untrustworthy and a coward of epic proportions so let this be your notice that you are a liar, and have no credibility on this or any other subject.

You started this last round by your aggressive talk and replies to people who were not speaking to you. You insinuated yourself into the conversation, and when you are found out and found to be lacking, then you resort to this chickening out tactic of calling me someone else’s screen name, and declaring me too unstable to meet in person. You sure didn’t have a problem telling us apart when you chose to attack each of us, now did you? Looks like the shoe is on the other foot this time, and now that you have been revealed as a liar and coward why don’t you do what is sensible and retreat to your ‘fraidy-hole?

You are a fraud and now anyone who reads your profile will know it. I plan to re post this every time you jump on someone and you know I am a man of my word. That is a promise I will make to you right here, right now.

SoThere

strtlk is a tick on the A$$ of humanity.

If you notice the time of day that he posts, it’s on a schedule. Next he’ll post around 6PM or so. His anti Beck rants are becoming fewer and fewer.

No one is listening or reacting to his garbage and many of his fellow hatemongers are not agreeing with his crap. Soon he’ll switch over to his new SOCK “Vinny” where people don’t know who he is.

He lies about his Military Service and so far he’s been a Submariner, A sailor on a ship and under his new SOCK “Vinny” he’s a 10 year Army Vet with all kinds of medals and awards.

It’s a shame that people like this denigrate those who really served and sacrificed their lives in the Military and as long as he posts here, I’ll expose his lies and bigotry.

Flag the idiot so the moderators will remove this piece of crap from the site. Strike a blow for the real Veterans of this country.

“TMP”

Anonymous

I think it is so cute that you love to write “I’ll expose his lies and bigotry”
You are a pathetic little racist who lies every time he puts a check mark in the “male” column every week when you fill out your mental health forms!!!

SoThere

strtlk is a tick on the A$$ of humanity.

If you notice the time of day that he posts, it’s on a schedule. Next he’ll post around 6PM or so. His anti Beck rants are becoming fewer and fewer.

No one is listening or reacting to his garbage and many of his fellow hatemongers are not agreeing with his crap. Soon he’ll switch over to his new SOCK “Vinny” where people don’t know who he is.

He lies about his Military Service and so far he’s been a Submariner, A sailor on a ship and under his new SOCK “Vinny” he’s a 10 year Army Vet with all kinds of medals and awards.

It’s a shame that people like this denigrate those who really served and sacrificed their lives in the Military and as long as he posts here, I’ll expose his lies and bigotry.

Flag the idiot so the moderators will remove this piece of crap from the site. Strike a blow for the real Veterans of this country.

“TMP”

SoThere

I thank you for your desperate attacks against me you Phony Soldier. Are you going to threaten me again?

I’m waiting for that maneuver you bigot.

LMFAO

“TMP”

Anonymous

I am honestly concerned about your well being sometimes…
Are you sure you have taken your meds today?
Your little comments range from unstable to pathetic…
1. You have a very vivid imagination!!!You say that I threatened you when I said it would nice to have a face to face discussion!!! This was obviously a mistake because I don’t believe anyone would want to talk to you because you are so unstable!!!
2. You call me a bigot? You are a brain washed cult member who loves and defends little glenn who is a Jewish hating, child mocking hitler clone!!!
3. Exactly how many names do I have now? You are up to around 5 or 10!!! Wow, you are one sick and disturbed little boy who must make real retired Marines embarrassed that you also claim to have served in the Corp.

SoThere

You’re a lying sack of crap with your Phony Soldier claims.

Take your ignorant rants and bigotry back to Media Matters where they have trained you.

You’re a liar who stinks up the site with your garbage on a Media Matters schedule.

C’mon, threaten me again and show what a weenie you truly are.

So please, unless you have something constructive to say… take your lazy, lying anti American, racist, bigotry somewhere else you tick on the A$$ of humanity.

Do you live next to a school where you can peek at little girls through the peephole strtlk/mtclayboy,Vinny ? Your fixation on little girls is quite evident in your constant rants here.

LMFAO

“TMP”

SoThere

You’re a lying sack of crap with your Phony Soldier claims.

Take your ignorant rants and bigotry back to Media Matters where they have trained you.

You’re a liar who stinks up the site with your garbage on a Media Matters schedule.

C’mon, threaten me again and show what a weenie you truly are.

So please, unless you have something constructive to say… take your lazy, lying anti American, racist, bigotry somewhere else you tick on the A$$ of humanity.

Do you live next to a school where you can peek at little girls through the peephole strtlk/mtclayboy,Vinny ? Your fixation on little girls is quite evident in your constant rants here.

LMFAO

“TMP”

SoThere

You have no Idea how many Marines hate people who claim that they were in the military but really weren’t. You’re a tick on the A$$ of humanity and a psychotic liar and bigot. Are you going to start crying now or are you going to post more veiled threats?

“TMP”

Anonymous

Seriously???
Are you that stupid!!!
Do you honestly believe that I will write another thing that you can twist and lie about, with the help of your other cult members?
I never physically threatened you! I never belittled the Corp!!!!
I wouldn’t know what a Marine would think about people who falsely claim they were in the military because I was not a Marine.
All I know is that you are a sick and twisted embarrassment to the Marines!!!!

SoThere

Please put down the Marines a bit more. You’re a liar and a Phony Soldier and a very small man. Do you dream of Glenn Beck and the little children strtlk?

Don’t worry about my friends weenie, you have your dozen friends from fantasy land laughing with you, or are they laughing at you?

I’m laughing at you. OBTW, I missed you in DC.

LMFAO

“TMP”

Anonymous

I think he is crying now.

Sandie

Oh what meanies you and TMP are. Shame, shame, shame !

SoThere

Sandie, he has 12 friends laughing.

“TMP”

Sandie

Beavis and the Buttheads
His next sock should be Beavis.

Anonymous

Yes, twelve people are laughing at him, not with him.

He’s to dumb to notice he is the butt of his own joke.

Sandie

……and all his jokes have butts

Sandie

A dozen eggs – all cracked.

Anonymous

That’s funny!

Anonymous

Are you that stupid? Oh forget it. Youhave a warped sense of life. You haven’t seen footage of little kids in school singing obamaninations praises? sick! and you teachers are guilty of toeing the line for it too.

Any true American is going to attack the Occupy movement in America. It’s is communist run and organized from the very highest office in the land. One person says that people who are against Obama call him a “community organizer”. Well that’s truth. Mr. Obama was a community organizer. What is a community organizer? Well here is a quote from Obama’s Dreams From My Father on what he would answer when people asked him that?

I didn’t answer them directly. Instead, I’d pronounce on the need for change. Change in the White House, where Reagan and his minions were carrying on their dirty deeds. Change in the Congress, compliant and corrupt. Change in the mood of the country, manic and self-absorbed. Change won’t come from the top, I would say. Change will come from a mobilized grass roots.”

In other words he wasn’t happy with the White House or the Congress or the mood of the people in the country and wanted to fundamentally change it to something else in line with his own visions. Rather stiff talk from a person who just 3 1/2 years ago swore to uphold and defend the constitution of the United States and to protect it from all enemies foreign and domestic. You think he might not have been telling the truth? Certainly the statement “I didn’t answer them directly,” shows the president is not above skirting the truth.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ATG5IIDGXPUTJN47VVWLRJ3YKY Trucker Dave

Any true American is going to attack the Occupy movement in America. It’s is communist run and organized from the very highest office in the land. One person says that people who are against Obama call him a “community organizer”. Well that’s truth. Mr. Obama was a community organizer. What is a community organizer? Well here is a quote from Obama’s Dreams From My Father on what he would answer when people asked him that?

“I didn’t answer them directly. Instead, I’d pronounce on the need for change. Change in the White House, where Reagan and his minions were carrying on their dirty deeds. Change in the Congress, compliant and corrupt. Change in the mood of the country, manic and self-absorbed. Change won’t come from the top, I would say. Change will come from a mobilized grass roots.”

In other words he wasn’t happy with the White House or the Congress or the mood of the people in the country and wanted to fundamentally change it to something else in line with his own visions. Rather stiff talk from a person who just 3 1/2 years ago swore to uphold and defend the constitution of the United States and to protect it from all enemies foreign and domestic. You think he might not have been telling the truth? Certainly the statement “I didn’t answer them directly,” shows the president is not above skirting the truth.

LaDon Deatherage

I was appalled yesterday when I saw that one of the main Occupy Wall Street protesters being interviewed on C-SPAn is a man named Amin Husain, Muslim born Obama supporter. Many years ago I dated a Palestinian man who I broke up with when I discovered he and his friends were harboring weapons in his bedroom closet. (I should have notified law enforcement or the ATF, but I was quite young.) I truly hope this guy is being carefully monitored.

Angela Franks

Maybe you should look at WHO is doing the twisting…
Are you honestly going to try to argue that the protesters aren’t communists? Most will openly admit they are anarcho-communists.

Anonymous

I didn’t know Greece had a ‘univesity’. Probably funded by their liberal government. 1973?? Must have been caused by the US hippie movement. I would wager that the Ruskies and neoNazis had something to do with it. Maybe ole Jane Fonda found her way over there and we never heard about it. WOW!! A lot of stuff happened around that time. The conservative ‘college’ I attended from 1963 to 1965, became a radical ‘university’ by 1970 when I returned (I spent 4 years with Uncle Sam’s canoe club and gyrines). So far, nothing rememberable happend on Nov. 17, 2011. Maybe next year, if the OWS and others are still there.

Subject: Occupy Wall Street Why Are You Jeopardizing Everyones Freedom and Trying to Distract Their Public Safety Officials and Putting Yourselves and Others in Harms Way? Demonstrating as you are is not the way to accomplish your stated objectives but it is the way to foment riots and mass murder.
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 14:57:50 -0500

History is replete with examples of people in power tyrannizing those that elected them or those they govern. What should thinking citizens of any nation, especially democracies with their freedom to lose, look out for to make sure citizens, voters, are not excluded from the very information about their rulers’ activities that could save voters freedom and lives? What conduits of information should citizens of any nation design as warning signs to make sure they are not so removed from knowing what is happening in their own nation that they no longer are able to formulate response to misuse of power by the governing and or those subverting the governing at the expense of the governed because the governed do not know or care what is going on in their nation? Occupy is not the way. Drama, symbolism and acting out in real situations are dangerous and counterproductive after a point. You are not in MTV videos. In my opinion, either occupy is a thinly veiled ruse attempting to have martial law imposed with the entire nation on lockdown to cancel the terror trial in Southern District of New York courts this December where 5 terrorist defendants and possible others would be prosecuted for their roles in 9/11 terror attacks on the USA or some anti American organization is experimenting with anarchy or something else irrational is at work here. In my opinion, there should be hundreds of defendants subpoenaed and prosecuted with those guilty sentenced to prison with no parole. Or OWS is a misguided attempt in creating social change by threatening to destroy the very system by which social change is made in this nation. Does not make sense. You have got the people at UC Davis nearly getting their heads blown off by their neighbors and relatives in uniform recently over bullshit they cold solve more effectively by other means. Are they addicted to drama? The thing that scares me is there is a danger that this type of unwise behavior that incorporates the expression of opposition to behaviors everyone weeps over will scarily find a way to legitimize its unwise aspect and perpetuate the insane risk taking dramatic behavior we all witnessed recently at Davis. Please do not bundle the irrational with the right on and fail to prevent unnecessary tragedy by legitimizing irresponsible, potentially history altering behavior that would put an end to this nation and maybe the free world by failing to make distinctions. Make distinctions between what is undeniably true, that the 22 year old in Oakland an Oscar Grant should not have been killed and the behavior that stops reasoning past a certain point because of the compulsion to act out takes over with the result that people get killed and lose their freedom. Why haven’t thinking voters worked with city state and federal officials they elected and appointed to make drug, alcohol and other substance problems verifiable before those affected are out there with mandatory drug tests every time a police officer or government worker reports to work in or out of the office? If you do not get this work done who will? The Cookie Monster? What the heck, people! Be careful how you go about expressing your social stance and that the method you choose to express yourself does master and destroy you. Be careful of engaging a group that will react in limited ways to your provocation or mere presence. Do not expect people to be able to be more objective than you and step outside their roles. If you lunge at an officer with a gun you could get yourselves and others killed. Do you want police to be be killed by armed occupiers? I want to guard against it. I asked if there was a legal way to keep Occupiers’ guns locked up in sight of everyone. Occupy Chicago is reported on internet blog to have been talking about the circumstances under which they could get away with killing officers. Can you guarantee Occupy all street demonstrators do not have guns in their tent and or on their persons? I sent email and voice mail to the US Attorney General’s office asking if these OWS demonstrators could be designated as enemy combatants if they are thrreatening police officers, the first family with their internet blog documented intention in WS Oakland to take over the US Central Government and imprisoned for repeated martial law provoking agitiating. Everytime the police step into that matter they risk death for no reason. It makes me angry. The people in California with the fifth port of LA closed so workers could not earn before the holidays? How is that consistent with the stated purpose of Occupy Wall Street? It isn’t! These OWS people are on a power trip that is costing others sticking people with fees up the wazoo and, frankly, I’m sick of it! OWS knocking over old people, blocking B of A workers in New York and yelling at New York schoolchildren. I am tired of it and the danger they pose to themselves and others. Take the dysfunctional among OWS that want to disrupt business, kill police, take over the US Government by violence and disrupt other’s ability to earn their paychecks and travel safely to their local mental institutiions and then put them in prison. I ask those that are demonstrating not to be mastered by the moment and lose sight of respectable objectives, purpose, to know where they are not willing to go and what they do not want to be part of such as mass murder and martial law because their passions get away from them and they get carried away. Be responsible for noticing subtle changes in situations quickly that necessitate changes in your behaviors and know what you will do and say if crises develop to diffuse situations before they become irretrievable. Even work out a language with police to create a way to prevent disasters. Better yet, go home. In my opinion, Occupiers are in over their heads with these senseless confrontations and I’m tired of living in a state of continual cringing worrying about what could go wrong. Do not underestimate the danger of the undertow of groups acting out at some point irrational passions. Are you willing to die for a moment of irrational passion that makes as much sense as some person grunting at you and motioning :over there” because they feel impassioned to do so? What if their doing that got thousands of good cops with kids and thousands of you killed? What limits will you decide upon in advance to make sure the warning flags are up whenever you are nearing that point of no return territory in time that you to change your behavior and avoid unnecessary tragedy for senseless drama? Why only derive your sense of worth to protect yourselves from others? Do you not have the courage of your convuictions to act when all tells you it is time in a way that will prevent the deaths of police and demonstrators? Why did not these occupy demonstrators ask for congressional hearing to air their issues with corporate America and ask employers to visit them with job fairs so they would have living wage jobs with training programs and remedial education before the holidays? Why wasn’t that their priority? They do not walk the talk. In my opinion, they are murderously irresponsible, immature, irrational and are causing others much distress and jeopardy. Why doesn’t the President visit of or address the demonstrators safely with plans to make some of the $440 billion job programs available to everyone that needs it for occupational counseling, employment assessment, educational assessment, job training, transport to and from work, etc? I do not mean to offer advice, but meet people where they are. Do not offer them things they cannot reach and make use of. These employable demonstrators need occupational counseling, jobs that resonate with their strengths and most deeply help values with living wages, remedial education so every one in the US has at least masters degree in less than five years and those with bachelor degrees achieve their masters in 12 months, and everybody has clean safe place to live, a way to work they like and can afford. With $440 billion approved jobs program and the repeated realization that job programs do not help those that cannot avail themselves of the help for whatever reason and that people are poorer and more disenfranchised that ever why does the government offer solution at people they cannot use and benefit from? Why not meet every voter where they are like an MD, diagnose the repetitive injuries form voter encountering repeated obstacles and find ways to help people travel beyond obstacles to long term wealth and well being? Identify the problems and solutions. What other purposes are there for job programs that are such a personal part of every life? Work at home, real estate ownership out of the reach of so many that are being destroyed for lack of a place to live that is clean, safe quiet and because of filth, noise and unsafe, never attain their potential with thier lives wasted and society never benefitting from their contribution. Why is it necessary to keep doing these things that do not work and waste time and money in the process? Do you really want to entrust your ongoing democracy to a group of people that may, in my opinion, be on drugs and other otherwise irrational stringing along the gullible masses to use them as fellow OWS demonstrators for a purpose the masses might not even respect because the purity of the gullible participants’ motives and their sacrifice would be a good way to fuel endless demonstrations and anarchy if one of these standoffs goes bad? Would you want to prepare your self mentally to demonstrate and make sure the occupiers are not going to cause a result you do not want such as martial law? It could happen in the blink of an eye. These occupier demonstrators have got their hands on the levers of power coopting national power, your power, effectively speaking for you and subjecting you to potentially life altering consequences that could occur at any time. Over whether you stay a democracy or not. I am not comfortable with that. All of this boat rocking, destabilizing behavior serve someones purpose. I am not sure, if everyone was honest, whether you would want to be part of the real purpose of Occupy. Seen in a larger context, it could be used to cause all kinds of things not any of which I like. There are other ways for Occupy to effect the changes they say they are about and, in my opinion, if they are the people they pretend to be they would have ceased their disruptive tactics long ago. They show a disrespct for American I find distasteful to put it mildly. When much of the press is a joke. When press conferences are a sham. When those in power are also members of other powerful groups that have as their agenda the advancement of an irrational, murderous ideology that likes power for its own sake and subverting the protective social institutions of the very voters that elected them, what can a citizenry with no information and without organized political power, numbers, natural resource wealth amassed over hundreds of years, and, unlike their tyrannical rulers, without willingness to murder thousands if not more while almost openly thumbing their noses at the legal process that would subject them to prosecution for such crimes, what should voters do to to regain control of the nation hijacked by people with values antithetical to the US Constitution and Declaration of Independence? People that misrepresented themselves and their agendas to get elected and throw all of the nation’s money out the proverbial window as payback for slavery or other things? As long as you try to make sense of things in their terms in the language and irrational, murder rationalizing their belief that you do not matter and they do, they can do anything to you and get away with it and they are going to micromanage you through a system of thought, language and you will be frustrated and unable to express yourselves because you will waste all of your time and energy with tyrannizing, politically correct bullshit verbally and behaviorally ignoring that the hypocricy and ignoring wrong going on before your eyes because you are told to ignore it. Where lit end? I am afraid of the answer to that question. If a grizzly attacks everybody will people assume that grizzly will suddenly become reasonable and nice? Will you pretend and permit that grizzly that did 9/11 to retain control over you? I hope not. There are people wearing gas masks and doing military drills for life and death survival situations all over the nation, collecting food, etc, This would have been the stuff of SNL skits lesss than 20 years ago. It would have been un thinkable. As scary is that you all see the danger and ignore the problems that threaten to overtake you shortly. I propose a new political party called the Founders Party that is not D or R but nonpartisan with no time for special interest ingratiated rants or lobbyist motivated behavior that is only at work to help the American Voter with measurable results and in which voters interact with and help those they elect and appoint in their city, state and federal governments to design and implement effective social programs that help the populations they are designed to help and that do not bankrupt the treasury. Would you like to open the book of government to public forum and debate so voters can see exactly where the monetary bleeding is occuring and prevent further unnecessary hemmhoraging? Can’t you see that too many politicians are hemmed in – beholden to the special interests that elected them and is unable to make the ficscal changes necessary to prevent massive, unchecked nation bankrupting, sovereignty threatening national, state and city spending? Your founding fathers thought so much of your ability to be like them and help govern this nation. Why let missteps become magnified and ruin their efforts and ignore the sacrifices of millions lives for this nation? If the tyrannizing powerful that indwell every political office and courtroom in America speak a language they use to legitimize their murderous, prejudicial power with inpunity and advance their agenda and refuse to recognize any language that, unlike theirs, does not selectively ignore “inconvenient truths” ie facts that do not cover up their lies, muders, crimes, genocide, law breaking, that somebody did, how can you hope to identify and resolve the problems they present speaking their language and acting they way they try to force you to conform to? The questions that are glaringly unanswered are who and how did all of this mess? It did not happen on its own. How long are you going to put up with this up one side and down the other harm to your economy, national security and sovereignty? When those that are being hurt are of all races, colors creeds? It is killing you! It has got you by the short hairs and is reaching for a nutcracker. If my language is not to your liking, how distasteful were the 9/11 deaths and the subversion of your intel, military, security, government, air traffic control, friend or foe inquiry of the USAF that day? Is that capability any less present today? In my opinion, Occupy Wall Street is another bullshit version of anarchist, destructive use of power to control those that respect the USA succeeding because they say one thing and do another. Will you organize peacefully and work with and channel your energies to use your system, make your system work for you peacefully, like a winning sports team, and find your political voice and vote as a group to take control of this nation and steer the ship of state away from the proverbial cliff before it is too late? You cannot do this if you are busy ingoring the glaring problems, being controlled by politically correct bullsht and not communicating with each other. Do not get me wrong I am not advocating anarchy, disruption, harm or violence. Will you respectfully use social media and video conferencing to organize and implement your nation saving participation in your government and hold it accountable for its actions continuously? With respect, Susan Wilshusen

Anonymous

It is very funny how religion works. I see you are a Mormon Glenn without even reading the book. If you would read the book carefully. It calls for this calamity to happen. Why? Because the gentiles shall worsen in iniquity. He warns the gentiles in America not to be deceivers, liars who boast about the works of their hands. There is a balance in creation. You actually think that this transfer of wealth into the hands of a few will come at no consequence. Out of enslavement rebellion arises. Don’t be so surprised at the things thou shalt see happen. As you saw the bankers on Wall Street throwing up toasts to the poor who were complaining at their feet so shall it be as it is written in the Book of Mormon. “Blessed is the rich man for he lives in the finest house and eats of the fat of the land, blessed is he, until the day of my coming. Then blessed is the poor man for he shall live in the finest house and eat of the fat of the land. I need you to really stop using your twisted religion to gather souls for your father Satan. Who is more the fool? The fool or the fool who follows him? Jesus took a strap in his hand and beat the money changers out of his father’s house because they had made it a den of thieves. As you see even among the jews there was a sect of jews who Jesus would not even tolerate. There was a distinction made between those who were his and those who were of their father the devil. Jesus as we see him speak must definitely have been anti semetic. Not to the whole nation of Jews but to a certain sect of them. If you look closely in Israel you will see there are Hassidic Jews who are protesting this same sect of their brothers for the Wall Street fiasco. You people will follow these devils straight into a certain hell. When I heard you call the poor who have gathered at the feet of the rich just for some scraps off the table I recalled the story of Lazarus who laid at the outer gate asking until his death and he was gathered up into the bosom of Abraham and the rich man was cast into hell because he was so certain in his existence and how in life he found himself with no mercy, love or hope for those whom the lord Christ said would be ever with us (the poor). The poor are set at ought against the rich. The rich have been given dominion in this world by way of Satan’s hand. He offered Jesus the same thing in which you support. He said, I will give you all the kingdoms of the world if you pay me homage. Jesus’ reply was I pay homage to the lord my god and only him. The wealth of these devil’s which you defend is sickening. I really don’t care that men make billions of dollars in this world. I am not against anyone making a way in this life utilizing his ability and his blessing. The lord said be not jealous of another man’s gift. I am set against it when the thieves rationalize their behavior at the cost of the poor who are considered in the “least of these”. Please at least spend a small amount of your time in the third book of Nephi and you will see how tainted your gentile thinking is. Even John the baptist would be beheaded by you in this day because he along with his cousin were both, in today’s world anti semetic. John called the members of the Sanhedrin hypocrits because the sat in the holy temples and condemned the Romans for the very same things they supported. There will come a day when the lord shall spew thee out of his mouth. I support Israel because the lord is my god. I do not support the money changers who have perverted the way of man and who spitefully use and abuse his brothers for money’s sake and wealth and power at all cost in their sway. Glenn you should repent of thy ways lest my people be around you like wolves among sheep (3 Nephi 21)

Anonymous

Anti-Zionist Jews Protest in Upstate New York

Times Herald-Record
Aug 25, 2009

Clashes between ultra-Orthodox Jewish protesters and police in Jerusalem are prompting sympathy protests in this country, including one Monday afternoon on Sportsman’s Road in Napanoch, NY.

An estimated 2,000 rabbis and Jewish students took part in the protest, chanting slogans such as, “Israeli government, shame on you.”

The original protests in Jerusalem began over the opening of a city parking lot on the Jewish Sabbath in June, under the order of Mayor Nir Barkat.

According to press reports, tensions have risen in the city since Barkat replaced an ultra-Orthodox mayor in last November’s elections. The reports said the lot was opened because illegal parking nearby was blocking emergency vehicles.

The protestors’ interpretation of Jewish law prohibits driving on the Sabbath.

Monday’s Napanoch protest drew many from New York City and other locations outside the mid-Hudson. They say protesters in Jerusalem are being beaten by police for standing up for their religion.

The local protesters stressed their solidarity with those who have been protesting in the State of Israel.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003173269453 Mike Jones

The “occupy” movement should be protesting in Washington D.C. This is a civil movement against our government cronies. The occupy movements taking place in city locales only creates a problem for local municipalities. The federal government is not affected. If the protests are against the banks, people should simply take their money out and not use them.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003173269453 Mike Jones

Remove duplicate post.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003173269453 Mike Jones

Armando, you are not seeing the forest through the trees. Thomas Jefferson studied many civilizations and what caused their demise. Our U.S. Constitution was written to protect us from government tyranny. The fact that our Congress and Presidents have trampled our Constitution is the problem. Less federal government is the answer. Our form of government (Republic) has prevailed over the Marxist ideology attempted by other countries. China today is a combination of a facist/socialist form of government and capitalism at work. The U.S.S.R failed!

The answer to the continuing global chaos will be the failure of the global monetary system for a NWO that is ultimately totalitarian, or a global resource based economy.

http://www.facebook.com/DrewEDenny Drew Denny

If everyone on here would learn about logical fallacies (flaws in logic commonly used in arguments) that would be great. Almost every single thing Glen Beck says on here is a logical fallacy and you guys are all eating it up like its truth. The media, politicians and companies trying to sell use logical fallacies to manipulate you into believing them. I’m not on either side here, just an interested observer, but obviously making connections between occupy wall st. protestors and communist terrorist is very radical. All they did was occupy an area and make a huge mess of the location they occupied while they lived like bums for a couple months. I do think that the whole thing was kind of a stupid, poorly executed waste of time but connecting them with terrorist is just as stupid. If they had picked any date you could connect it with a terrorist act of some sort and one pertaining to Communist is a perfect one for Glen here because Americans have a sour taste in there mouth when it comes to Communist. Then he throws in a “quote” from some random nameless protestor that makes it look like the protestors are malicious “were gonna burn this sh*t to the motherfu**ing ground on the 17th” and of course no sh*t was burned to the ground on the 17th. If you went to a pro football game you could quote from a fan saying “were gonna kill those motherfu**ers” and then say that its unsafe to go to a football game because there will be people getting murdered when that is obviously not true. This article is only creating fear and segregation between fellow Americans.

Anonymous

Whaaaaaaaaaaaat a coincidence!

The park in NYC that the Wall Street protesters are occupying

is Zuccotti Park.

This park is not owned by the city of New York..

It is owned by Brookfield Properties.

Who was just hired by Brookfield Properties as an attorney?

Vice President Joe Biden’s son.

On the board of Brookfield Properties is

Mayor Bloomberg’s live- in girlfriend.

Now, guess what company just received some of the last of the Obama Stimulus funds.??…$$$$$$$.

Thaaaaaaaaaaaat’s right, Brookfield Properties.

On
a completely unrelated note, Wisconsin is shaping up to be the swing
state in the 2012 presidential elections. Not Florida. Not Ohio. But
Wisconsin.

Guess who owns the company that will be tabulating the electronic votes in Wisconsin?

Thaaaaaaaaaaaat’s right, the biggest contributor to Obama, the puppeteer George Soros. Whaaaaaaaaaaaat a coincidence!

Now remember what Stalin once said, “He who votes does not have the power. He who counts the votes has the power”.

irie ite

All,

Just remember what the Soviets’ Kruschev said: “I will bury you…”capitalism sows the seeds of its own destruction, and after the American Capitailst State collapses into class warfare, it will be up to the Soviets to come over and bury us – because we would have all killed each other. “”

Let’s try and not let history be ignored people…

Anonymous

November 17 is a national day for Greece for the resistance against the made-in-USA Dictatorship in Greece, (1967 – 1974) which killed and crippled many people and ended by the Cyprus Tragedy. The “Revolutionary Group 17N” was a fruit of this sad story of the political horror we experienced in Greece during the cold war, when our “allies” wanted to assure the non communist orientation of our country. Imagine like a 35-year super-McCarthyism with prisons, exiles, executions and assassinations. All the members of 17N are now in prison. Tell me something: If a terrorist decides to name his group “4th of July” you will annul all celebrations of the independence day in USA, just to avoid to be characterized?