beenthere240: 17. Ne2 was not a "sit back" threat - IMO at least. It was a very accurate way to continue to overprotect the e5 pawn and still occupy the d4 square. The knee jerk 17. Nxd4 isn't terrible. It just isn't as good.

beenthere240: I recommend the link that Marmot posted above. Daniel King does a good job. Curiously, Stockfish was recommending 13....c4 as a break instead of 13...d5. Certainly 13...c4 couldn't have been worse than 13...d5. The e5 pawn controlled much of the remaining game.

Carlsen seemed to have a clear strategy which he followed throughout. In contrast Dreev vacillated, ultimately losing his nerve with 23...Nxf3.

keypusher: <Sep-07-17 1971: I meant with 17. Ne2 Carlsen threatens to recapture with the other knight and have a lock on the position from which he can "sit-back", strengthen his position and wait for mistakes.
Dreev was right to go for complications, but if those are your 2 choices, something has already gone wrong.>

Hard to exaggerate how clueless you are being here, 1971. Carlsen is completely in control at move 17l, because (rather than wait for his opponent to make a mistake) he's played aggressively and gotten a clamp. He already had a huge advantage at the point Dreev began sacrificing.

Rather than submit, Dreev lashes out, but winds up losing quicker.

We have a bunch of top GMs going to rapids now because they hoped their opponents would make a mistake, but if not the stronger players would win in quickplay. But MC wasn't satisfied with that, he decided he wanted to win in classical. And he has. How many others have won four straight games at classical controls?

I get it, he's fortunate, he isn't playing for a shot at the WC, because he IS the WC. But describing this game as waiting for his opponent to make a mistake...could you be more wrong?

Sokrates: <naufallabs: why dreev not using Caro kann against Carlsen ? maybe he can beat Carlsen if he use that opening>
Sure he could. I think you should convey that discovery to Mr Dreev. I am sure he'd be grateful for the advice - this option obviously didn't occur to him - and use it the next time he faces the world champ.

Another bozo statement. So many of these pages are dried up without comments, and right or wrong, here we are discussing the game and abstract concepts that someone can think on and try to add to their games, and you're saying its an inane discussion.

Maybe it's so far over your head you can't even tell what's going on. Therefore, inane. Don't be rude, fishcake.

Another bozo statement. So many of these pages are dried up without comments, and right or wrong, here we are discussing the game and abstract concepts that someone can think on and try to add to their games, and you're saying its an inane discussion.>

Indeed, the very word "bozo" is derived from the French expression "beau zoo", meaning beautiful menagerie (if it's not true, it should be!)

bamaexpert: hmmm...waiting for his opponent to make a mistake. Isn't that what we're all doing when playing in a tournament? Mistake, blunder, whatever...makes the game a lot easier to win. "Carlsen... waiting for Dreev to make a mistake.." geez

morfishine: <PJs Studio: Pay no attention to <keypusher>, the guy is an amazing dick. Always insulting while hardly ever adding to the discussion> Well said, which is why I have this feeble-minded imbecile on ignore

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