PKR launches ‘Turunkan Harga Kereta’ campaign

PKR’s aim of promising to make cars cheaper if the Pakatan Rakyat opposition pact takes over power in the upcoming general election has taken to the road, with the launch of a nationwide campaign to promote the issue.

According to reports, the party kicked off its Turunkan Harga Kereta (Lower Car Prices) campaign yesterday, which will see 50,000 vehicle stickers and flyers explaining PKR’s proposal being distributed at tollbooths throughout the country this coming weekend.

The timing coincides with the expected surge in traffic during the coming week. “The campaign will take advantage of the ‘balik kampung’ holidays in conjunction with Hari Raya Aidilfitri, so information about Keadilan’s proposal to reduce car prices by gradual abolishment of excise duties will reach the whole country,” PKR’s communications director Nik Nazmi Nik Ahmad told reporters.

The logo for the campaign – which has its own Facebook page – does not represent any political element so all Malaysians, regardless of political belief and background, can unite and agree on the matter, he added.

PKR has promised to make cars a cheaper proposition for the rakyat by reducing the triple-tax burden – excise and import duties as well as sales tax – imposed on cars in the country. While slashing excise duties would cut government income by around RM8 billion, the party said that revenue could be earned through other means without having to impose additional financial burden on taxpayers, it was earlier reported.

It said that should it come into power, the party would offer a complete revamp of the National Automotive Policy (NAP) so that car prices will be made competitive and actual costs reflected, with the aim of improving the disposable income of Malaysians and reducing household debts.

Anthony Lim believes that nothing is better than a good smoke and a car with character, with good handling aspects being top of the prize heap. Having spent more than a decade and a half with an English tabloid daily never being able to grasp the meaning of brevity or being succinct, he wags his tail furiously at the idea of waffling - in greater detail - about cars and all their intrinsic peculiarities here.

How to make sure the car distributors/dealers will not telan bulat-bulat the profit from tax saved (by keeping the same selling prices despite car tax reduction)? This has happened to many of our CKD cars NOW.

These are US car prices with US duty and import tax paid, which are just like Malaysian car prices with duty and tax also paid, but here, you will see, they are much lower and less exorbitant than in Malaysia.

Bear in mind all cars are CBU (complete built up) Japan, CBU South Korea or CBU Germany.

The following cars we get here are CKD (complete knocked down) cars with more than 50% Malaysian content and “supposedly” are cheaper due to their being CKD and supporting Malaysian manufacturers.

I cannot understand, we support our own Malaysian manufacturers and beli barang buatan (buy local) Malaysia too, and yet the prices can be higher than barang buatan (made in) Japan or German, which is usually higher in quality.

And yet, to make matters worse, US people’s GDP per capita is higher than Malaysia’s and the average American earns five times more than the average Malaysian.

Though this is clearly a political move but no choice we have to support it. I’m sure if successful, the implementation will be a gradual decrease, probable 5% – 10% per year.
They’ll promise the moon if they can take Putrajaya. That’s politics. Haiya!

Dude, cars there are for lease, not for hire purchase like the cars here in Malaysia. Of course their cars are cheap, many first world countries adopt that leasing system. So there’s no point in comparing car prices here and in the US/Canada.

They lease it for 3-5 years, then return the car to be sold as ‘used cars.’

I hope this clarifies the wrong information you’ve all gotten about car prices over there in the US.

I however am in full support of this move of reducing the price of cars here.

Matt, you are completely wrong. I lived in the US. These prices are retail for everybody and not just for lease companies. Btw and fyi, Honda Accord reaches our Klang port at far less than RM$50,000. That is the price Honda Japan sells to Honda Malaysia.

Malaysian Cars Cost 3 x more than US. And yet the US car dealers are making a huge profit on each cars sold and the US government is also collecting duties and taxes on these cars. See for yourself the difference between US and Malaysia. Forward this message to every Facebook user so that they may realise how much we Malaysians are paying for our cars. http://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/opinion/2012/08/16/why-are-malaysian-car-prices-so-expensive/

Question 1: If the car prices drop will it increase number of cars on the road ?(since more people can afford to buy cars)

Not really, even if I have zillions of cars, I can only drive one at a time. Unless of course if I can clone myself to zillions of meself.

The motorcyle riders will continue to ride as usual cause that’s the best and fastest way of getting to anywhere in Malaysia, they can “cilok” here and there. Unless when the car prices drop the sizes of the car drop to the size of motorcyle…

Question 2: The government will lose 8 Billion in annual taxes so they must increase other taxes to compensate for this right?

Yeah maybe if the government is run by not so smart people.
But with better person managing the country, actually the GDP will expand.

The disposible income will increase, people will have more money to spend on clothing, good foods, and many others.

Businesses will thrive, since the demands are higher. As businesses in the country increase so do the tax collected. As the sales increase for the restaurant owners, shop owners and others the tax collected by the government will increase as well.

The 8 billion will be recouped back but this time around, the rakyats are in better position with the same amount of money for many other products and services for them. Before this huge chunk of the income is spend on paying car loan.

Question 3: If the car prices drop, then the resale value of my car will drop, how to trade in then?

In short term you might lose but in the long term you are on the winning side.

Lets say in 2006 you bought a Honda Civic 1.8 at RM115k. 90% loan @3% for 7 years = RM 1,490 . In 2012 after 6 years of paying loan, you balance is RM 17,890.

Under present Government the 2012 Civic 1.8 is RM 116. Trade value is at RM 75,000 at motortrader online. Minus the loan balance you have about RM 57,000 for downpayment. Loan at 3% for 7 years will set you RM 835 monthly.

Let say under Car Price Drop Policy, the 2012 Civic 1.8 is RM 60,000 . Honda Civic US is only RM 50,000. Trade in value might be RM 39,000 based on ratio 115,000/75,000=60,000/39,000 . Minus the loan balance you have RM 20,000 for downpayment. Loan at 3% for 7 years will set you at RM576.

Under drop car price policy you will have extra RM 259 to spend on. I have to take back what I wrote earlier, actually with the price drop, you are actually at better end.

don’t entirely agree with your answer to question 1. people who couldn’t afford a car before will want to buy one if this materialize. whether it’s mat motor or students or whoever, number of cars on the road will definitely increase.

but i have 2 cars, 1 is 199k and another is 240k. both < 1 year old and loan is 20% of price. 5 yrs, my installments are very low now. if price drop further , i do not need to take loan at all.
so how?
i can't see the light at the end of the tunnel for me.

Current government claims that RM8billion in revenue will be lost, let’s say if fuel subsidy is remove and for the sake of easy calculation, if RON95 is RM2.80/litre. If a car’s fuel tank is 40litres and requires refuelling every week and is used for 20years total expenditure for fuel is RM2.80 X 40 litres x 4 weeks x 12 months x 20 years = RM107520. Comparatively, it is still affordable and the amount saved on subsidy can be utilized for other meaningful purposes.

The car sales volume will increase dramatically, not because you drive 3 car at the same time, but user will change to a new car more often. At some point, maintenance of an old car cost much higher then a new car installment

Change car more often is not a bad things. Its will make our city look clean with all newer car in city jz like in Singapore. And also with new car we will be safer driving new car with new safety technology. Furthermore, steel recycle or junkyard will increase productivity and boost up their business. Indirectly, they are giving more tax to our country and also increase the economy of Malaysia.

I dont think the issue of car prices matter most to the country. In fact if you have a good public transport and security you wont need a car anyway. This is clearly a political gimik to buy votes. Even high car prices in singapore people can still afford it. From a neutral point of view I think the address of the issue here has been underestimate by a new political partywho wants the votes so desperately. Hence youare not only talking about new cars but existinglycar owners or dealers who has cobtribution to the cycle of econony that runs between 2.5 billion and 7 billion a year. Scraping of taxes of cars may look interesting but it can only buy and convince people who has less know to the running economy of malaysia currently. Scenario: cut car taxes may not increase disposable income in the next 10 years. Carowners, dealers will have to spend the next 8 years holding back by paying off loan anf debts because their debt has increase vs market value. Carindustry will close to their stand still and bancruptcy will rise. Just like housing market in united states, market value decrease and debt increase. This are amature call by non experience govt. Majority of country road tax payer are existing car owners.

Singapore car price are much more expensive than in Malaysia.. yet they have C.O.E (Certificate Of Entitlement). Pakatan Rakyat is just merely trying to gain popularity rather than to actually understand the car industry as a whole. You cannot reduce a car prices just like that, it must have balance. Reduce car price, and ….. ?? what ???

Hey moron! The excise duties in some countries such as Japan and Singapore are also applied for pickup trucks such as Toyota Hilux and Nissan Navara aka Frontier. Because of this, Toyota Hilux and Nissan Frontier are no longer offered in Japan, and some dealerships in Singapore didn’t import these trucks.

“Reduce corruption, leakage, govt overspending”….OK what can balance. Maybe this is just first stage of the campaign, we will know the bigger picture when PR announcing the mechanism to tackle the issues arise from reduction of car price. Btw won’t you happy to pay less for a car? which in turns will help you to reduce your monthly commitment and lower the loan tenure..I’m sure a lot will love too. my 2 cent.

Do you know whats the purpose of COE in Singapore for? Save your time and let me answer it for you. COE is a bidding system in which it is used to control the amount of vehicles is allowed on the road in Singapore. If there is no such system, imagine what would happen. There is nothing much to complain about in Singapore about their Public Transport. Compare it to Malaysia, it is comparing heaven and earth.

Compare our car prices to other countries (Indonesia, Thailand), you’ll understand why our cars is considered one of the highest in the world. For 50k , i can get a Myvi (at the current price) or maybe a Jazz (without excise duty). What is your choice?

further more…dollar to dollar the car price there is quite ok…just amagine if u’re earning S$5k and the kia forte is S$40-45k..which quite ok, and the wish at around S$70k..but here if u earn RM5k …RM40-45k can only get u a SAGA and RM70k maybe the non-turbo exora

well said info for the blur and ignorant , keep educating them ! An easier way for them to digest this is to go to the internet check out car prices over in Europe and US and see for themselves how much cheaper car prices are as compared to their salary over there if compared to us

that is what i meant…. the salary scale is poorly low.. if you are a Malay or indigenous people… and cannot speak mandarin or cantonis.. your salary will be lower that those chinese people even yuo have a better qualification from a public institute or university… reduce the car price ?? what about the double standard ??

from a simple glance, living in msia is way cheaper than US.. they can have their cheap car which now with their crap economy the majority cannot afford to buy…. but i rather have my cheapo nasi lemak than cheap car… u cannot eat your car… your family also will not starve if you cannot buy a “superb” car

Compare heaven and earth ??? You mean Singapore is heaven ?? Thailand car prices are expensive comparing to its per-capita.. and have you been to Indonesia… the road are sucks and the car prices are even sucker… Malaysia reducing in car prices.. what is the hidden cost ?? if PKR ever rule Malaysia… we will take it back by deadly militia force..

I am talking about public transportation. When i was working in Singapore, i rely on it. I don’t need a car to get me to anywhere. Their public transportation is comfortable, reliable and predictable. I could own a car when i was there, doesnt mean i need too. However, as a Malaysia, i am sad that we are so way behind in terms of development.

For those that are still kept in the dark, i pity you. We might have 1st World Country facility, but most if not all of us, still have a 3rd Work thinking.

wait a second here, you’re comparing malaysia with singapore??? you do realize that a person in singapore could easily go about his life (working, leisure and so on) without having to need a car…. cuz they have a bloody good public transport system…. so i’m pretty sure the high price together with COE don’t affect the majority of singaporeans

in malaysia however, EVERYONE needs a car in their daily life… well except for the lucky few for whom our crappy public transport system seems to work….

I can’t imagine any sensible person to go against this idea except for the privilege few who have special links with the people who walk on the corridors of power. U are probably the super rich and illogical person who love to pay >200% tax for luxury car. Why should we pay so much more than we have to for a quality car? Bear in mine the Rakyat don’t owe the government a living.

For years the Rakyat has been burdened with high prices for cars and houses. Its time that somebody is willing to step up and do something about it rather than asking you to adjust your lifestyle all the time. You talked about car industry, what harm can it do when more people can afford cars? That would spur growth for the industry and create jobs. Don’t forget that if car prices are drastically reduced, people can afford safer cars. What we have today, if you don’t die on the road, you die having to pay your loans. If anyone should worry, it should be the Governement because they would have to have lost a lot of money from the stupid excise duty and high taxes.

everything have advantages & disadvantages so it will take forever for us to debate about it. i ok with it as long as we wont pay extra taxes and able to reduce our burden.

btw they said they will reduce the price of car but they didnt mention by how much ?? tats the trick used by most of the marketers. if every car reduce RM5000 also got reduce what …….. BUT RM5000 is better den ntg

you must look at the income percapita between 2 countries.
Any political parties who is not trying to gain popularity can quit from politics.What you are saying is like running a business but do not want profit. Are you stupid?

its ok mr.umno cybertrooper..im willing to go with it..scam or not, let us rakyat decide..we are willing to give PR a chance..your umno has been screwing us for the past 50yrs..and now, pls stop acting like u speak on behalf of every rakyat here..

People like you who use a child’s photo (maybe it’s your son) to make accusations on politics is indeed a shameless coward.. Just like the BN jerkies who like to use scapegoats, or use their political rivals’ wives and children’s to create stories and attack them shamelessly. If you don’t want cheaper car, then when the opposition win this GE, please clarify your stand and volunteer yourself to pay for current government’s car pricing. Deal?

You know nothing about COE, so please don’t simply give comment. Increase tax probably will help the country in further developing. But in malaysia, increase tax will increase corruption and their pocket money will become bigger and bigger. While we will be come skinner. Can you imagine how many units of car in Malaysia and how much our country earn? And why Malaysia is still in debt? Maybe you are part of them so probably won’t become skinner lo:P

No, he didn’t think he’s a wise guy, but we all think you are absolutely a first class “brain malfunction being”. You must be the same guy as the fella up there who use the little boy’s photo for posting..and this time you are still being a coward to use “pkr”.. Macam tu lah perangai kawan kawan kita di BN.

yeap…dun forget,our national debt has reached RM573 billion. simple maths : 1.7million tax payers contributed RM20 billion yearly and means M’sia needs 30 years for repayment of debts (also at the same time M’sia will not incurr expenses for 30 years). So what is the RM2billion revenue forego annually as compared to income tax revenue? In addition, S’pore has good reasons to increase tax as S’pore has very good public transportation and running an efficient government.

actually its because lots of foreign millionaires decide to make SG their home, and not because singaporeans are making it big … you see the nice green grass but you haven’t seen the truck loads of shit underneath.

RCZ of coz u can. With your name already know u can afford a 200k car. PKR’s idea looks realistic, it is a way to undo the mistake Tun has done. Malaysian citizen supporting P1/P2 with massive tax. Imagine with the price u pay for RCZ that cost 200k, u could be driving a GTR now. I believe in change at least the opposition is doing the right thing. BN screwing us for too long

I might not drive a 200K RCZ now, but I just MIGHT. Let me repeat, MIGHT, be driving a brand new RCZ for a much lower price if these guys do come through with what they promised. To me, at least they TRY. The current government? Meh.

If they lied? Well no new car for me and no vote from me in the next GE.

hey moron, u compare singapore with us. try compare their gdp with us la!! they are among the highest gdp in the world, lightning years in front us. problem here that we have low gdp. many malaysian spend about 40% of their salary for car. singaporean spend only about 10-20% salary for car.

Should float petrol price at the same time. More efficient engines will compensate for the price increase. We are currently paying in advance market price for petrol the moment we buy a car. This will also teach the rakyat to use precious commodity wisely.

Ermmm….its not a good idea to float petrol price….reduce tax on car is good…but im more expecting green tech…diesel or hybrid….our gas and oil wouldnt be last long forever….dont compare with brunei….they even reach 1 billion production on late 1990-91(cant remember)….yup, its hurt….gasoline based vehicle is damnnnnnn good but believe me its time to chang….im ok and comfort to have a turbo diesel Ford Focus at 50k…..with extraaaaa mileage compare with gasoline…..

It’s time the G take it serious, since RON97 already float & P1 already bought by DRB-HICOM. We as end user also find it hard nowadays to buy & own a new car.. Read! Cars are not an asset, but a burden & depreciate.. If the G concern regarding the aftermath of sudden price drop, why not implement all car manufacturer to have safety feature as standard in their cars like 6 air-bags (min.), ABS & ESP standard to counter balance the price drop?

I totally agree with you. But need to highlight here that the price drop is not because for less features. The price drop is duly removal of excise duties and taxes with the complete features (you name dem airbags, ABS, ESP, VSC, etc). Not compromising for less quality for every penny we pay.

I am not a supporter of PKR. I support BN but being a Malaysian who loves Malaysia so much, I don’t necessarily agree to all BN policies and I won’t outrightly reject any new ideas introduced by others. Each has its own flaws. While I still want BN to win next GE, but a stronger opposition will sends a message to the ruling govt that they better buck-up, business is no longer as usual, and to always put rakyat’s interest first. I hope that people in this forum could digest the issue more intellectually before attacking each other with some derogatory remarks which just shows our own level of mentality. Maybe some of us here do not have the privilege of certain info, so educate us, and respect others position or opinion as well. Being a Malaysian, working in the US, makes me appreciate my country more, and how i wish Malaysian voters and politicians could reach the ideal level of political maturity. I support the idea of reducing the car price, but it has to be done in the right way bcos there are so many other implications at stake. My personal opinion is that, reducing the car price is not the number one priority in Malaysia. But the underlying issues has to be sorted out, ie where the tax money from car industry went? does it goes back to the industry? public transport systems? or subsidizing the poor in education, nutrition or social development? Even if the car prices reduced, is there a mechanism to restrict the number of cars on the road hence reduce road accidents? ie allowed only safer cars to be sold. The only way I see it, it has to be done gradually, and i don’t think 5 years is enough, i would prefers for the car price remain the same, but enforce the manufacturer to produce safer car will all state of the art safety features without incurring extra cost. and phase out ‘unsafe cars’, like scrap them and this time no restrictions like buy proton only or such other crap. Even though i fully subscribe to the idea of “take from the wealthy and give it to the poor” but only to a certain extent. we are not communist, and like it or not, we are some sort of kapitalist, but every Malaysian has our social obligation as well, and most of us here pays income tax, so naturally we contribute to the nation’s development. I just hope that people can look at the bigger picture, I know the G is looking at it too, (while the opposition will try to squeeze everything to force their way to win the GE) but sadly the results on the ground is too slow and sometimes questionable. Its their lose if other political party is using this issue for their political mileage. I just hope that if the current G is given another chance in this coming GE, they would have learned their lessons. They are already on the right track with all the MRT systems and all, I have seen and read carefully the KL Master plan, its the best plan we have albeit 10 years too late (thanks to world economic crisis) but again its a plan, we are good at planning, but could be better in executing it. And moving forward in becoming an advanced nation, we have to think of ways to have a sustainable development, an inclusive one, and also equitable to all. bigger cars, bigger engines, is old fashion, we would love to have, greener, safer and affordable way to move around, and not necessarily cars. Thats the way forward.

Even if we support PKR, we don’t have to agree with every single they do.

For example, this is a stupid idea.

A better idea is to keep car prices, BUT use the tax profits to

1) Reduce TRAFFIC JAMS, and
2) Improve PUBLIC TRANSPORT first

If car prices cheap > big increase of cars on roads – what is the point if you can AFFORD to buy car, but can’t drive it anywhere?

At least if public transport is improved, people will actually prefer to travel in comfortable trains and nice buses. So hassle-free and convenient, can read book, watch lenglui’s, watch movie on phone etc.

Bro.. Currently I am riding a modenas and I have an old altis car as well. Not all riders are not eligible to buy a car. But they are still riders because of the comfort.

I cant imagine what will happen to our environment if the car number increases,
1) Our cities and suburb will be polluted like major metropolitans like Beijing, Chennai, Delhi etc. Increase in carbon rather than reducing it.

2) Too much cars on the road will lead to reckless driving habits. (For people can afford if the car met accident they can replace with new cars and cause huge risks for road users).
3) Parking will become a major problem.
4) Fuel price will automatically increase 300% or more.

This is purely a political agenda to catch votes for coming election.. If we didnt support the local car manufacturer, who else going to support it? FYI I have planned to book exora which is really a good mpv for my family.

proton cannot expect forever to get support from malaysians. which explains why they are facing difficulties to reduce the cost of production and have to sell them high.

it is proton that need to change, by making cars that can sell in mass numbers. in europe, read carefully its all about small turbodiesel engines and 6 speed manual gearbox. not petrol and automatic like the majority of cars sold by proton now.

when think about carmakers and even bicycle makers, there is always trickle effects of technology from their top of line products. but with proton you hardly seen any such things. if they cannt originate technology they have no chance to survive, in the meantime we continue to high car prices to protect someone else’s (dr M) national pride.

Exactly which I keep saying the public transportation needs to be better. But that doesn’t mean you ignore our import taxes.

“There is 10 drivers with 10 cars out there at the current car price. If the car price is further reduce, does it mean, there will be 10 drivers with 20 cars because the price has been reduced??
What logic is there that there will be a huge increase in cars ownership?” another Malaysian with short term mentality and selfish thinking. First of all your statement of 10 drivers with 20 cars don’t make sense, but have you thought of people on public transportation? People on motorcycles? Fresh graduates who usually just use back their parents old car, instead of thinking of purchasing their OWN one? The nation consist not only of people with cars as their mode of transportation. Think of others. There is no harm for those who would want to obtain a car from their public transportation, motorcycle use because it’s more convenient, safer, etc. Imagine the influx of cars that we would suffer from a conjestion crisis like London. The aim is to give the nation a choice, a car when you truly feel the need is great, or efficient enough public transportation which benefits not only Malaysia, but the world in the long run.

BalanceD, there are 10 drivers who can afford to buy 10 cars now. But there’s actually more who can drive but can’t afford to buy cars. I think there are still a lot of household who can only afford 1 car per family (wife drives, hubby end up having to ride kapchais). If car price drops, means households which now can afford only 1 car, maybe can buy 2. Those who already have 2, maybe can get a 3rd for children. So government must also think ways to mitigate problems if there are too many cars on our road

The government should make a Law lah.. 1 person can only own 1 car.. if they buy the second & third car then the 300% tax should apply… same goes to property. 1 person under their name can only owns 3 properties. Otherwise the rich people will buy 10 houses and rent or resell the houses double or triple the prices they bought. Because of this the property prices increased.. How the low & middle income people can afford to buy house especially in Klang valley. Say what?? Rakyat didahulukan?

Your statement really makes alot of sense. It’s the greedy people that are screwing all of us lower classes, buying one whole lot of property, and we low income earners are what? stuffed in a lowcost high density area for us to rot. While owning expensive houses with no one staying inside, or better paying ridiculous rents to them.

Good one. For my fellow friends who bashing on the idea, Observe traffic until you see a father, mother and a toddler rode a say an 8 year old EX5 bike in front of you. And when it is raining, please not just see, understand their situation.
Its really tough right?

Reduce traffic jam and improve public transport only applicable to big cities. What about small town and rural areas? Beside this part is only for reducing car prices. Do you know they have another idea to improve public transport as well? Totally two different idea. You need to read their manifesto as a whole then you’ll know the big picture.

Sounds familiar? Do u still remember when g increase fuel price to RM 2.8/liter? What is thier reasons? TO IMPORVE PUBLIC TRANSPORT. That was years ago. Without considering MRT (since it is not financed with subsidy savings) what improvement materialised? I am talking real imporvement? what i can see is just cosmetically-enhanced puduraya. Frankly thats all

@Thmsn,
I definitely agree on your suggestion. Bringing the car price down seems like a populist move. I, however prefer that the excess tax collected be used for public transport (imagine double track high speed train covering the whole Malaysia peninsular). This , I believe, will be much better than cheap car prices.

it’s not about bring car price down, it’s bringing it down to the normal price range.. and to also spur car industry in msia.. Even Thailand is taking up all the potential jobs.. why?

And for the public transport, do you just improve KL traffic? How about ppl in other states? Traffic and all also depends on urban planning and cost of MRT is to exorbitantly HIGH with the markup.. It’s not that we can’t improve the traffic, just due to wastage, corruption that is causing the cost so expensive.. Look at reports, How much to built train system in China, India compared with KL, or better still check GErmany train cost… Unless people wake up, and know what really going on, we will forever be going downhill, and u want your grandchild, not being able to find a job?

Guys, let stop coming up with some stupid comments when you have no vision. This is about a chain reaction in the world that we are in which no competition = no improvement. Bare in mind that a positive result is much more important than a suffering progress! There is always pro and con when things happened, lets c,

when car price drop, why do you think ppl is going for getting own vehicles if public transport is good enuff for them to travel around, instead choose to stuck in traffics for hours. But current public transports quality sucks… When revenue drop, public transport shall look into how to improve and more routes, better services and etc. Thats when citizen gains benefit. By that time, ppl will have their choice when both can benefits them well for those who love driving, go ahead and take your chance whether to stuck in JAM or chill out with public transport with less hassle. NOT EVERYBODY LOVE DRIVING OR NICE CAR BUT EVERYBODY WOULD LOVE CHEAP NICE CAR!

if you have the vision, u can even think of more possibilities and lets hope the final result is good.

My point is, lets the competition make the change. For cars like Proton compare to Toyota when price is almost the same, same goes to politics.

The idea is NOT to remove tax all together but to lower it. So, with the high prices of cars due to all the taxes and what not, do we have World Class roads? Do we have proper public transportation? Do we have toll free highways? Answer is NO. Since, we are paying more and getting nothing. I might as well Pay less and get nothing. But then again, how sure are you nothing will be done to address the jams and public transportation even with the reduction of car prices? Did the article mention they will not do that?

I quite agree with ur public transportation & toll free highways. But as for the roads, we have far off better roads than neighboring countries like Thai & Indos. Even S’porean admits that we have good highway roads (minus the toll fees). The trouble is NOT the road but our road system got problems that causes massive traffic jams, potholes, etc. The entire system in current Gov is Never integrated & that has caused Rakyat a heavy expense. Eg. Recalled the speed trap cameras installed many years back? Why are we purchase new & better ones? Sounds redundant,right? I remembered that TNB also bided for broadband but failed. And TNB currently has the fibre optical infrastructure…you may notice that comes with single cable on each side at the highest point traveling through every electrical transmission towers

You must be working for proton or perodua, worry about looking for new job when this happened?? We have enough of feeding proton and perodua for their survival.
See below video from Youtube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itP8HKoPvPk

It up to the people to judge. Ppl in Austria, small country in europe, are using mercedez benz(new model) not old 40 yr old as taxis.. A fresh grad could get a Merc A class but what us Malaysians can do? Suffer on high loan and interest from car..

if you dont wanna change, we wont move forward… how u think we can improve our own national car, and with competitive price? Look at south korea.. which was once behind malaysia.. Do you want in future, 100 yrs, your grandchildren be beggars of the world?

so wise guy…
Malaysia is not just KL…
Why must everybody think all of Malaysian live in KL?
How about other Malaysian who live in rural area where road is the only option they got to travel/go to work. They dont get salary rate like people in KL, but need to pay as much as you do to buy car.

Look at the bigger picture; the nation as a whole, it not just about you who live in town only.

ok, u like to pay more double for your actually RM40k only Vios…serve u right but for the rest of us whom are struggling to meet our daily commitment, any reduction in our monthly installment will be most welcome

did u know that one of reasons cars in malaysia are taxed with excise duties is to improve the public transport. yeah, since 1985 we’ve been taxed for this but look at our public transport now?? better to read rafizi’s blog and understand the issue before commenting! http://rafiziramli.com/2012/07/pemotongan-cukai-eksais-kereta-jumlah-perbelanjaan-tidak-terancang-oleh-perdana-menteri-melebihi-kutipan-cukai-eksais-setiap-tahun/

IMHO, if base on this rafizi’s article, abrupt changes to current pricing would be a bad idea.

Regardless whether this is merely political gimmicks by PKR, my view on this:

1. It is a fact that even P1 & P2 cars are being tax at least 85%, I really prefer this being reduced gradually so that more rakyat can afford to buy cars (or at least buy a viva/myvi/saga/persona/preve/oxora for what it actually worth).

2. The G (especially current G really need to manage our beloved Bolehland with integrity, transparency, good governance and efficiency.

3. The current G must be responsible and take immediate action to prevent/minimize Illicit Financial Flows http://iffdec2011.gfintegrity.org/ which the number is very staggering and alarming.

4. The current G must be responsible and take immediate actions to prevent further leakages from fraud/corruption based on recent General Audit Report.

Only with this, the loss of RM8b income per year from car taxes means nothing actually. Moreover, this loss can be replaced via other means/sectors where rakyat’s quality of living are elevated and have more purchasing power.

Not necessary that cars will increase if prices go down,
There are several measure to discourage drivers
if petrol subsidy is removed i think most people will be cautious about their usage n therefore will resort to public transport when ever possible.
Not only that Malaysia can introduce Congestion Charge like Britain in order to reduced flow of traffic into the city

erm, East Malaysia really need cars to go from point A to point B coz our public transport and road really sux. East malaysia dont have LRT/MRT/monorail/KTM etc. The most we only traffic jam for half an hour, so its a big welcome campaign.

You really think maintain current price then public transport will improve? And traffic jams in Malaysia mainly due to? Accident and vehicle broke down. Image more Malaysian can afford better car ( better condition and more safety feature such as abs,ebd, those blind spot assist or anti snoozing, before collition warning, auto brake.) traffic jam will decrease? Please think both sides.

The PKR proposal is too simplistic. In the ideal world it can happen overnight. But what is the impact to the car industry in general? If you minus something, you will also need to add something. Of course I would be happy to have cheaper cars, but a more detailed study must be done and not seen merely as a political ploy for the coming GE.

Leonardo is right, the proposal is just too simplistic without any detailed studies of the advantages and disadvantages of the proposed move.

the mentality of most malaysians are, if the taxes and duties were removed, people would start buying foreign makes. so what bad does it do then, you ask? our national carmakers will close down. so? it doesn’t affect me, even better still, we have less cronies to feed (assuming they are) you say. BUT, are you aware of the fact that, there are hundred thousands of people who are employed in the national car industry and its supply chain, so imagine, if these people were to be displaced off their jobs?? you tell me the consequences.

thats not all, the average joe like you and me, or the 2nd hand car dealers, who have all bought or took ownership of foreign makes, will then have the values of their cars immediately slashed. we consumers will probably just make do with it, but what about mr. wong and mr. ahmad who earns a living selling 2nd hand cars? you tell me.

word of caution, don’t be so shortsighted, drastically changing a policy requires more in-depth studies than just campaigning it. and don’t be so selfish, just because you want a foreign make at a more affordable price, other people would suffer just to satisfy your cravings for luxury.

but when the dust settles, i would take a good car at lower prices anyday, and just hope that it’s not at the expense of someone elses’ livelihood.

haha, so funny.. Thailand has took how many potential job from us? because of Proton? If it was managed well Proton could be A Hyundai.. but come on, Proton selling waja in saudi for rm33000 but “TIPU” us rakyat, selling us RM69,000.. Someone must be DUMB and STUPID..

you want jobs? make more cars for international company that supply cars to China..

2nd hand dealer can still make money if this was done and managed well. Sell the current car to overseas, get rabates to minimize losses.

Tis is called propaganda…..in case anyone not familiar with this political term, it simply means whatever is said may or may not be done….so use ur logic to comprehend the situation….something comes down means something else will come up…the 8bil will need to come fr somewhere else and it definitlely is not coming fr their own pockets…..meaning it will still be coming fr taxpayers….one way or the other….

You are absolutely right. I am guessing that if the car prices do come down, the subsidies for petrol and others will be removed…And once the petrol subsidies are removed, prices of foods, groceries etc will come up. No?

Buy a 20 km/l car to replace your 10 km/l car, so your total fuel price will stay the same. The RM 50k you saved on the purchase price (and interest)of the car can be used to offset your more expensive nasi ayam.

Please dont accuse others of being a moron when you are the very epitome of it. Your “scenarios” are far too simplistic, worthy of one thought up by a moron. Perhaps if you delve deeper you would start to see the possible ramifications.

Lets expand on your scenario B. You pay much less for the same crappy car, but like some smarter people has mentioned above, when you minus something, you have to add back something. Perhaps you are familiar with accounting? If you are not at least I hope you understand the concept of balancing.

So lets say we pay lesser for a car, we may have to end up paying more for petrol. In another sense, our cash flow does not improve at all. The difference is that the cash is channelled into other avenues instead, which eventually ends up into the alleged “cronies” pockets.

PKR to reduce tax and excise duties for cars. OK that’s good. But how are they gonna do it? What are the steps, plans, blueprint etc? It’s easy to make a promise. But how are they going to fulfill it? Anyone can make this promise without an actual plan. Talk is cheap. Show us a proper plan first.

I’m pretty sure that’s what the flyers are for. Why not call up your local PKR rep and find out? I think it’s time citizens took a more proactive role in this country, instead of waiting to be spoonfed everything.

While this news will get most Malaysians excited, we need to think of the bigger picture. Ok say if car prices really goes down, then what? PKR will promise you anything and everything under the sun. What about other aspects in our country? Economy? National security? GDP? Stability? Dont just blindly support this campaign if you dont know where this will all lead to. There is more to politics then just reducing car prices.

Btw i’m not pro govt or oppo. I think both are equally dirty i just want whats best for my country thats all. Cheers and have a good long holiday ahead peeps! Peace!

i dont mind if they abolish the fuel subsidy to replace the excise duties & taxes revenue loss…actually we have already paid for the fuel subsidy upfront when we purchase the car, hence does not make any differences.

Less than 1 yr to go before GE and now PR comes out with the campaign. Why never launch this campaign years ago? How convenient for politicians to promise you the world when GE is around the corner. Rakyat is not dumb anymore, whether your Govt or Oppo people will weigh pros and cons before supporting your ideas.

Because to come up with such a proposal would need MAJOR LOADS OF PLANNING and to actually have observation of the current financial situation of the country before suggesting such a thing. AND THIS WILL OBVIOUSLY TAKE TIME.

Also, in politics, you have to play your cards right and be strategic. Not just throw your entire hand for your opponent to see. I’m sure they have a reason why to make an announcement at such a time (when: new cars are coming out, stupid VW Polo GTI price hike, etc.).

that’s what politicians do. people are selfish. what? you thought PR and UMNO and BN politicians all really working altruistically???? even the average consumer AND VOTER are selfish. so let’s be real. PR is doing this so they can gain votes. if the rakyat benefits from it ultimately then the rakyat will vote for PR.

PR is the opposition. that’s what they do. try to bring down UMNO / BN mah. what else do you expect them to do?

reduce car prices. not as easy as A B C. second hand car market. rakyat with current car and HP loan to service. how it will affect prices. will G compensate if my current car price goes down ..wayy down. significant increase in cars on the road as we all know it, Malaysians LOVE cars.

IMO, its a cheap way to gain popularity but a good start to lessen Rakyat’s burden.

I agree with you Joe. Since they have indicated such possibility for the future, we should give them a chance to prove themselves. If they fail to deliver as mentioned, then we just change them back to become opposition. There’s really no harm in switching sides every now and them. Who knows, when they are in power, they would try their best to deliver what’s good for the whole nation in fearing of becoming the powerless party again. Siapa untung ? Rakyat juga yg untung.

Pakatan Rakyat has been known to talk big & glamour and never deliver thier talk. Don’t talk about reduce car price, give free tadika to all Selangor people first as they promise from the GE12 when they won.

PR do not have economist expert and it is hard for me to accept this proposal with complete blueprint how its will be implemented. Do they think of the side effect to the industries.

if u think BN deliver 100% of their promises u r living in fantasy..as long as PR can deliver their big promises like free water bills,lowered quit rent its good enough for me..the most important thing is vote party that gonna lessen your burden not vote party that dont care the burden of the rakyat

Some people can easily be bought by RM11.00 of free water that make them loyal. Btw quit rent never goes down but increasing bro. And for your info not everyone enjoy the so call free water accept those living in terrace houses but those in flat, condo, apartment DO not enjoy this.

RM10 will not make a different to me BUT the promises of not increase the quit rent is NOT being kept. Bro, just think RM10.00 per house increase per year, how much that will make for the entire Selangor? Why suddenly this politician talking about reduce car prices and can handle the RM8bil lost in revenue but at the same time you want to gain more from other source?

It does not make sense and the best part when quit rent increase they just keep it quite so people will not question. But on this topic they working hard promoting it. Such a cheap glamour….hahah

I’m suprised, and happy(!) after reading most of the comments I’ve seen so far here. I thought another round of Gov bashing is going on. Instead, a more sensible and civilized discussion seen. Please keep this going rather than blindly support/condemn PR or BN.

If they can’t make car price cheaper, how can they make houses cheaper? People will complain their property price go down, what will happen with their home loan and apename you name it. To make it easy, just take those complain above about cheaper car price and subsititute “car” with “property” where applicable.

your comment doesn’t justify whether you are pro or anti PKR’s latest gimmick..if ‘people’ can complain depreciation in property prices, then what makes you confident that they wouldn’t do the same for cars or ‘vehicles’. Sorry if you are a house-owner, but real ones will agree property values does not only appreciate/depreciate when govt introduces new schemes or whatsoever but, when there is a nationwide economical upturn/downturn, property location, type of build, size, availability of public amenities and lots more..and if at all i were to make the change like u simply suggested, i will still put ‘houses’ instead of ‘properties’ purposely because i think fighting for lower house(residential) prices are more important than fighting for lower commercial, industrial, agricultural, or even development lands.,and CARS absolutely

u think house price is simple as car arr??..ask the bank to lower the BLR and tinggg the price will be lower..there is the thing called speculator..if u are not confident PR will lower the car price,u dont even have the rights to ask them to lower the house price

Again, friend I think you are deluded and ill-informed. You are not explaining how the 8B is going to be obtained. Its a very general statement that you are making. How does it go back into the rakyat’s pockets? How are you sure it is going to “spur” the economy naturally? How??

I think you are well poised to go into politics. Anyway our country’s G is dominated by inept persons like you.

8B is going to be obtained by YOU NOT PAYING EXCISE, SALES, IMPORT duties on the car. DO YOU UNDERSTAND PLAIN COMMON SENSE?

It’s going to spur the economy more naturally because when people have more spending power, they buy stuff to improve their lifestyle. Do you not want to improve your present lifestyle? Or maybe you don’t cuz you’re one of those benefiting from the current system.

Or would you rather your hard earned $$$ go into the pockets of those cronies.. Maybe you do, cuz you like doing charity.

8B back to us.. so how gov want to get back the 8B.. to build road.. hospitals..univercities etc.. owh forgot… PKR can loan from World bank mah… ehh wait, if loan then how to pay back…?? so what is PKR solutions on this.. what they give they must get back… that is the rule of thumb in handling a country…

Losing 8b from tax? Where does the money go? People will have more spending power la! Every ringgit u spend as it flows into the market the ringgit grows in turn government tax more from business. Everyone gains. Please read PKR’s strategy in detail, they’ve give a glimpse of what to expect. They said gradually decrease the excise duty

Lost of income is a different things to what u commented. 8b is a seriuos shortage to the country and pakatan is well known to give free or reduce as that is thier selling point that in he end we know they cannot achieve it. DO some research before try to goreng with out fact you moron.

What make u think that PR is not corrupted??? Learn what they did in Selangor bro. If you have balls try to do business with them and see if you can handle them :)

Stop dreaming in PK dream and false story as it make you all sick people and forever support sick leaders. Ask yourself or ask the PR what they contribute to the people, how many job oppurtunity they have create, how business the people have created and is the Malays increase in thier income and living in good houses? Remember they cannot afford most houses in major towns….buka mata bro

There is this thing call something like GST/VAT,hmmmpppp lets check with mr google, OOOOOOoo it seems only malaysia and burma out of so many countries in asia have not adopted, even when systems and examples to how to use are all in place. With it EVERYONE is equal AND, when adopt, generally business and personal income tax is reduce…… such a good thing for the people, big income for the govt, yet BN does not want to adopt, Hmmmmmmp. Only pay so much tax when you spend so much…….. THINK! Don’t be spoon fed.

PS. business do not need to increase price because of gst. As gst is pass on to end user, Foods are generally not included. and lots of nation allow certain % of vat/gst claim back or deducted from the year end income tax.

“While slashing excise duties would cut government income by around RM8 billion, the party said that revenue could be earned through other means without having to impose additional financial burden on taxpayers, it was earlier reported.”

This is just a mere straight talk, and I am not convinced by this. Why not just abolish fuel subsidies altogether. Malaysians have been living in a cocoon (from oil price fluctuation) for too long while the rest of the world is grappling with ever increasing oil price and a threat of passing peak oil production.

Sorry for saying this but this is the truth. We want more sustainable, yes… buy more fuel efficient cars (hybrids, EVs, clean diesel etc.) OR just force the state and local governments to improve public transportation. Depending on Federal alone is not the ultimate solution.

this is my 2cents worth as an ordinary non economist non political layman….the spin off from a reduction in car prices will be good for the economy as a whole as a substantial part of our living costs decreases. Those individuals in business will not have an urgent need to mark-up unnecessarily on what they produce eg houses….with living espenses reduced and with the rakyat having more at their disposal to spend, we have increase Domestic Spending to spur the economy further. Also as living costs are contained, we can gradually improve our labour costs making our country attractive again to FDI..

Good move but stupid announcement timing. You are just making your supporters from P1 / P2 to vote your opponent. Why? Those non-auto people that wanted to vote for you will vote you but by announcing it NOW, you are just panicking those working in P1 & P2. You will gain nothing but lose more with this announcement.

P1 and P2 shouldn’t exist in the first place. It is just a way to feed the cronies. Gov force us to pay high price for the survival of these 2 company. This so call made in malaysia crapy car is more expensive than imported car of bigger engine capacity, better quality in some country.

P1 and P2 existence is to supposedly to make malaysians people proud to have their own car manufacturer (design,build,assemble by own)…(not including P2 which is always rebranding from daihatsu)…oh yeah forgot that P1 also started their business by rebranding mitsu cars…but started from Gen-2 cars (not including Inspira),they design the car themselves plus make the engines themselves….that something that at least malaysian people should be proud rather than Thai or Singa people which used brand not from their own country…

now about the taxes,yes i do believe it shouldn`t be that damn high…maybe as many people as you guys said,the money goes to the cronies but don`t blame on the P1 or P2 people that`s working there.heck if you guys were on their shoes what would you do (i`m just saying but i`m not P1 nor P2 employee).beside i do belive if you guys were the minister and had the opportunity to get chances money to goes in your pocket surely you`ll do (not many peoples are so sincerely nowadays will fight for other peoples,i`m just saying again)

The fact is most ma’sian will opts for imported car if they can afford. And most m’sian will be proud of their BMW, Merc or anything of similar standard. Tell me who will feel proud of driving m’sian car. Some even change the proton emblem to Mits emblem. The fact is they don’t have any choice. They will have more choice if car prices are reduced.

In Japan during 1970, Japanese people still using their own brand car compare to BMW< Mercedes, etc. Even though their car is not as good as other outsider brand in term of quality, but with the support by their own people and car engineer, they work hard and make an establish brand in the world now.

In M'sia is different. If get extra money, buy expensive car like BMW. The worst part, you will say P1 and P2 is useless, patut ttup kedai. So, that is showing ur benchmark or your nationalism.

If Malaysia is at war during WW3 in future, who will stay for battle or run away from other country, pretend I'm not Malaysian and I do not to fight for my country. Same goes here for car issue.

If you like, G can raise the tax of P1 and P2 and reduce tax of other cars to make it even, then P1 and P2 employees will still get their job while others still can get their car at a lower price, agree?

New Zealand is good example of fantastic public transportation and cheap car price. Again, FANTASTIC public transportation and CHEAP car price. People used to take the bus to go to office/city CBD and yet they own a car at a price that wouldn’t burden themselves.

Please lah wei, open up your mind, go outside and learn from other countries. In Auckland New Zealand I can simply use the bus website to plan my journey and they are so punctual that its only +- 5mins.

In Malaysia, how many times the government hike the fuel and promise to use the money to improve the public transportation?? Open up your mind guys, before we attack PR’s idea lets hear them out and debate it..perhaps ask Najib to debate with Anwar lah on this…eh wait, Najib said debate is not our culture, on my….

Have you watched movies like “The Adjustment Bureau”? The main cast commute to his office in Manhattan by bus daily although based on his work outfit (befitting as an executive) may give us the impression that he earn high salary. But, yeah, he choose to ride on bus instead.

I drive an 86. I do not mine if i lose 5% of my car worth if i know that it will be channeled to build better infrastructure. I will take a bus to work if i do not have to be canned like sardine. However, i will still get a cayman as a third car if it is cheaper but this is selfish of me. So with hindsight, keep the tax slightly lower and improve our infra. Force p1 and p2 to provide better cars. We still need to take care of our own. Btw i am an architect and do not work for the car industry. As for property, we need to control speculation. I pity the younger generation who cannot buy a flat.

Also, everyone debate on the wrong assumption – 8b of revenue will NEVER go to building/improving public transportation directly. Only you can find the provision made during budgeting if there is one la…Even the provision was allocated but still rakyat ain’t enjoy them due to poor planning and having limited routes. I remember i need to get off frm one track to another by crossing a busy street. I dun find this happening in Taipei or S’pore.

I’ve been working for NZ, and their attitude is not same as us here.. dont blame us OK.. if you see rubbish at the road side.. do you ever go and pick it up… NO right… don’t talk about other country if your own ATTITUDE is not correct yet…..

Agreed, some do not see the big picture here. For instance… Damn i just took a 9 year loan to pay for my new civic. Thinking civic always got good resale value… Then they came up with this stupid plan to bring the prices of car down. sure la dont support… see the big picture?

stupid idea…
8 billion loss is calculated based on tax revenue… but pls also calculate total lost on 2nd car value, let say we have 5million car on the road, if value drop 20-50%, total loss will be much more than 8 billion
… our RM will lost value compared with other currency..

You rather pay ARTIFICIALLY HIGH INFLATED prices just for the sake of not losing your car value?

You people are so SHORT SIGHTED that you don’t think LONG TERM. What about your children and their children’s children? If you take the hit now, then the younger generations won’t have to pay high $$$ for crappy cars. You might even have a chance to enjoy low car prices in the not so far future

How many people are working for Proton, Perodua and Naza??? Who knows without those tax, other company might decide to assemble their cars in Malaysia after all. Company selling second hand cars’ will thrive = more employment. Rakyat pay less in monthly installment = more money to spend = more pocket money = more shopping = more tax collected from companies. Car will depreciate no matter what, current car owners might just have to suck it up their losses for the benefit for future car holders, i mean majority will wish to have cheaper and quality cars to drive.
Just my 2 cent, had been thinking abt it…don bash me ya.. ^.^”

I truely believe this campaign only impose to national car. This will help the poor and its a great thing. I fully support if it only apply to national car and not foreign car. However the government should gradually lower the tax on foreign car on yearly basis.

really easy to promise everythg bcause GE but how to implement. if we want to cut tax of car part so how to cover back all the loses. from what i knew, in japan car tax very low but u have to rent parking lot, insurance really s**k and etc. that how govt get back the loses tax…if i’m wrong please correct me but please give FACT N FIGURE….

I support this as well! But what is the “catch”? I have heard speculation that interest rates is going to jump due to high demand for car loans. If interest rates is high, the monthnly installement would not be any cheaper.

A good example is Australia where car prices are cheap, petrol prices are floated. The car loan rate is between 10% to 12% a year!

Monthly installment might be same,but the term can be shortened.maybe max term will be oni 6-7 years which result in long term savings,also good for environment as we can dispose the cars earlier and not wait till almost one decade just to change another car,and incuring high maintenance cost due to aging vehicle

it’s a good proposal to drop car prices but by how much ? 10% 20% 30%…..this is inline with ‘peoples…first’ spirit..BUT

how many manufacturers are willing to lose something for nothing in return ????

in the business world, bear in mind that it is logical that if car price are reduced , there will always be an increase in other areas which will be reflected in maintenance cost, spare parts, which somehow ‘hidden’. Bank interest may no longer be 2%-3%. Overall total cost of owning a car may not change much

even in Brunei, cars are cheaper but bank interest is about 7%.

Off topic, more importantly, why PKR keep quiet about significant surge in HOUSE price ? Why no proposed action to keep HOUSE price down ?

exactly, most people are all for benefits for themselves. realized there were the same few people who started calling people morons and names.

my 2cents, don’t just think about yourself, think about how it’ll affect the people around you, or the country in general and stop being shortsighted. i’m not saying it’s not good to have cheap cars, it’s just that it has to be done feasibly.

Everything is about politics. Same goes as salesman… tells u the benefit, etc….but hidden the cons.

Then, after that.. we see the the cons of the product…sudah terlambat oledi. The salesman cabut lari after making sales, no follow up. When the salesman try to make sales again, he come again and say good2 thing on their products.

Salesman = politics people
Do not trust anybody. Think/Research before you buy products/give votes.

how many manufacturers are willing to lose something for nothing in return ???? <— Hey, manufactures have had their own slice of cake once the car is sold. you are paying more on the taxes, get it? Not the actual price of the car (which the manufactures sold to you)

in the business world, bear in mind that it is logical that if car price are reduced , there will always be an increase in other areas which will be reflected in maintenance cost, spare parts, which somehow ‘hidden’.<– you wish! such a negative thinking..

Bank interest may no longer be 2%-3%. <– All these while, bank interest rates are being controlled by the government!

Off topic, more importantly, why PKR keep quiet about significant surge in HOUSE price ? Why no proposed action to keep HOUSE price down ? <– one at a time plese.. paultan is not selling houses btw.. haha

cause cars are heavily taxed by the govt.. which makes the prices high ..so if you remove the tax the price will come down. property on the other hand is determined by market price and there is no tax to remove.

no lah. obviously u pun x familiar pasal property industry ni. it is no doubt based on demand but govt has also have certain control such as giving out bank loans for 2nd, 3rd, 4th properties so on. If the bank will not give loan to 2nd property onward, the price wont be so high because less people will demand for it.

alpha666, that’s a dumb statement. bank interest were, are and will never be just influence by 1 factor like car price. They are set to gov’t policy and gov’t bank policy and world economic factors, which in the end ultimately suggest by BNN. Please use your brain, and please read more world newspapers from the internet, not just local gov’t approve trash. Thus support Anti- #114A, for ourselves, and our future and our childrens’.

the reduction in car price doesnt come from the car companies, but rather the excise duty (which is a standard 70% for all cars). they dont lose, and when they start to pass the savings to consumers… they will surely get more sales.

when toyota announce the new vios is 62K, honda will follow by saying honda city is at 65K but better spec.

the people win.

on the house prices, there are many external factors beyond control like:-

1. many property owners are taking advantage by selling high, but there is good demand and limited supply and this is something any government cannot control.

2. many properties are sold by agents especially in klang valley and those agents are actually the one responsible for marking up prices to their benefits.

3. ppl keep on buying properties at ridiculous price, if the buying stops the selling at crazy prices will too.

Curious.. What would happen to the value for car that had been bought? Let say I’ve bought a car on 2011 with 7 years tenure. If the tax abolished/reduced, will my car’s value will be dropping to nothing? Am I stuck with a 7 year loan and cannot tolak my car to get the new one?

If you have bought a decent & reliable car, i am sure it will serve you the whole 7 years. sure, the resale value will drop but once you paid off the car, you’ll still be able to get some returns when you sold it. a bitter pill to swallow but in return, you’ll be able to buy a BETTER car with the same price or lower. OR, buy a similarly decent car but cheaper in price hence lower monthly installment or shorter loan tenure.
Unfortunately many Malaysians do not see the bigger picture.

thats what our grandfathers did (sacrifice to come all the way from China and India, and for the Malays to fight colonialism by the Portuguese and the Dutch). lets do the same thing, avoid being selfish.

Agree. Better sell car now before price drop like crazy. We ride kapchai for awhile, save money on fuel too. Then when PKR wins, car price drops, we all buy Mercs and Beemers. Or we can stick to buying Proton or other cheaper cars, and use the disposable income to invest in houses (and house prices will go up).

Those who currently can’t afford to buy a car (like one of my staff who got his car loan rejected because gaji tak cukup tinggi to even buy a the lowest spec Viva), can at least after this get a car, any car. Those who stuck with 7 year loan, nothing much can do but just look enviously at those brand new cars driven buy people who previously can’t afford to buy a car. Big city living style can be seen all over the country, as even the old kampung households should have at least 2 cars.

There will be double the number of cars on the road. Traffic jam got worse. Air pollution got worse. Then we all come to our senses, ditch the cars and ride bicycle. What a happy ending.

Friends. People here talk about looking at the big picture. But I ask you, are you all satisfied with the CURRENT BIG PICTURE??

There are pros and cons, and everything must be balanced at the expense of either the rakyat or the politicians. Which one are you? Who comes first? This may be a desparate attempt at gaining votes, but can we blame them? Its something most people have wanted for so long.

Now the current scenario is – too expensive cars, malaysians deep in debts and less income to save. Proposal for cheaper cars, less loan interest and more money saved is becoming reality. Why not? But hey, let’s look at the big picture.. :p

Understand this, RM8b is nothing to sniff at, but then again, are we able to see the improvements in the country from this number? For every RM1 paid to govt, you guess how much of that really goes to rakyat? This proposal is without discrimination and prejudice and applies to every Malaysian to benefit. Still want to look at big picture?

Also, no point comparing other countries here coz Malaysia Boleh in every respect! All others are irrelevant.

If this does go through,the next step is remove fuel subsidy.
Advantage:
Country saves the money lost from removing taxes
Encourage people to purchase fuel efficient vehicles
No issue on bringing in high quality fuel
Reduce emission as people will depend less on cars to reduce spending on fuel

So yeah i think removing taxes is feasible
Not to mention along with that protection for Proton also goes out the window

Adoyai,ur naive to think the petrol subsidies will be there for ever,when we are almost out of fuel,the price of fuel will be so high there is no way G can subsidize it.that time we will end up paying high petrol and car prices.which is worse?
I rather pay less for car now,and even when food prices increase i m sure i can afford it cuz i have greater disposable income now.
Plus without the taxes i can choose to buy a very fuel efficient car anyway

Gov impose double-triple tax but i’m still wonder how come our country debt is so high? Impose tax is to protect local automobil company like “PROTON” and “PERODUO”. If you unable to compete in the open market. I suggest Malaysia to end up the business. Singapore is better than us but they don’t feel itchy on their back-side to produce their own car like Malaysia did. What a shame if you couldn’t compete and just simply raise the taxes.

The government that don’t want to reduce car price. (Promised AP to abolish in 2010 yet extend it to 2015, hicjaked others cars price [the VW Polo case, hybrid jazz] to be pricier)
or
The government that promise to drop cars price. (Be cool, they said that price in dropping phase until 2015)

Amusingly, KIA only takes 10 years than is off than government protection. protong? still show no survivality without protection (design and quality = meh!).

It is good move from opposition to “BRING DOWN THE CAR PRICE”. Also include either road tax/ toll to be abolish.
As for petrol issue, current govt. always compares M’sia with Thailand, Singapore….whereby this countries do not produce oil but refine the crude oil….In-case the govt wants to compare kindly compare with oil produce nation such as Oman, Qatar..Venezuela….

how come never compare to US also? currently US is the 12th biggest oil producing country in the world. And Malaysia is 27th. So how’s the price in US compared to Malaysia?
And indonesia, our close neighbour, is the 20th biggest producer of oil in the world.. So hows the price of oil in indonesia compared to Malaysia.

Before you all go goo-goo-ga-ga over this, I suggest you see it from another point of view. Before I say anything, I just want to put on record that I have always supported PR’s struggle against this corrupt government. BUT, there are things I don’t agree with them and this is one of them.

Sure, paying less for cars is a good thing. But think about it, I am sure most of you who read/write in this forum own cars. Would you still be happy to know if overnight they remove all the taxes for new cars, how much would YOUR current car be worth? A Saga BLM (like mine), would’ve easily dropped in value by 20-30%. Then what? I can’t trade in my current car to buy a cheaper car because I have to service a 7 year loan for it. Which by now means I am servicing a fat loan for a car which has just devalued significantly. What happened to the 10K (example) i put on my Down-payment? GONE! I can’t sell my car because the value of my car has gone below my outstanding loan amount. So I am stuck to service the remaining tenure of my loan until the loan is paid up.

Fair enough, they may have a plan. But if the plan focuses on FUTURE car prices and not so much on CURRENT car prices, it actually burdens the rakyat more, not to mention all the 2nd car dealers in the country. I hope Dato’ Seri Anwar and co. can and will come up with a solution to address current car owners’ fears.

slap down the price,change the roadtax like UK by taxing co2 more haze product more roadTax pay out.
bring all green cars to Malaysia to help reduce global warming,greener plug in hybrid cars.
electricity car,build charge station.
extreme high tax for ferrari,lambo those toys.
because rich people are still can afford to own it.
improve a public transport,promote carpool like US
hybrid car having special line to drive.
change used car market by exporting old car to other country to reduces over build problem.

Yes, i applaud the proposal…Damn,my salary is taxed/deducted for tax almost RM3,500 a month and i still need to pay the high tax when i bought a car which in turn is actually the soo called fuel subsidy which actually i myself subsidize by paying an exorbitant price for my car…

U DAMN SURE I Agree wt this proposal…I’m fed up of being taxed to the bone already

This is definitely a populist move… cakap senang.. tell us how you gonna compensate for the loss of the tax? One way or another rakyat will need to compensate for the 8bil losses in tax. Don’t simply talk lah.. it is easy being on the opposition side, just talk only.. Singapore car more expensive, indon car slightly cheaper but no job, lots of poor fella on the street, petrol expensive, thailand slightly cheaper but petrol expensive…

he actually has a point, mind you im not slanting to either the current or future govt. this is actually income to the govt, loss of income supposedly balanced with less spending. However, if this is indeed what has been preached, they need to prove that the subsidy will not be affected in any way and future spending need to be cleared with all the rakyat.

more often than not politicians would go for populist move, its the art of politics. but come to think of it why not do this cheaper cars thing? how long have the rich & cronies been living on the expenses of the majority. Its way time we get something and this is indeed something many will look for. Good job PR!

you will regret buying BMW. the cars are so advanced but the electronics are not trouble free. dont believe? go sit down at BMW service centre for an hour and you will hear so many things that BMW owners dare not to shout out (in order not to embarass themselves)

Now that the great Dr M is the special economic
advisor to the Yemen government, a third rate country,
I am sure he will not start a National Automotive
Policy for the Yemenis.
NAP = a fail experiment.
We malaysians had been guinea pigs of Dr M for
too long.

Reduce car price… free education in Selangor also cannot do it.. doubt this can be true..Why not try to sell cheaper car in Selangor by giving subsidi to Selangor first.. demolishing tax,etc is the same as giving subsidi right (common sense lah). so why not try in Selangor.. I am not Barang Naik Fan nor bebas.. I just hate politics.. I am a person who only see results and 3 years staying in Selangor I don’t see any extra benefits.

How can state gov provide free education when the federal holds the power? If PR takes over I am confident this can be a reality. Another example Kelantanese didn’t get their fair share of oil royalty, imagine what PAS can do if they have the fair share of oil royalty they deserve. BN gov is good in punishing Kelantanese, but doing that backfires, I not sure about u guys but I’m enjoying free water so far I love the cleaner Selangor gov at least we don’t get to see Khir’s mansion stunt by PR. Can always kick them out if they are corrupt

Well.. The car price is fixed by Central Government which the state government has no right to fix the price. To me, I just want the car price to be cheaper so that I can pay lesser car insurance, bank interest and loan instalment. Whether or not the govt has sufficient tax income, it is none of my concern since I don’t feel it even after I paid for so much tax.

Reducing car tax for sure had to be done step by step if PR is to implement this. You need to create a soft lander for those ppl who are still paying car loans. We are suppose to cut down the car tax by 2015, to me, the current government is doing nothing about it, what we see is the car actually getting more expensive for some with the mask of ‘face lift’, ‘limited edition’, etc.
With the lower on car tax, the petrol subsidy should be gradually removed too. So you pay more petrol if you use more of your car, this is to deal with the situation that there will be more cars on the road. Anyhow, the money you saved for a cheaper car is good enough for you to pay for lots of petrol.
People have been burdened very much by having a car in Malaysia, given our rising living cost, high car price, it is time we put things into balance. No point protecting a useless ‘National car’ if they don’t beef up and face the true competition. >25 yrs of protection is more than enough, time to stand up and walk on your own. Don’t worry about ppl or suppliers losing their jobs, this is because the more competitive one will survive. Having new car industry building factory in Malaysia, it will create new jobs.

If manufacturer increases the car price, is it the govt’s fault?
Even if they abolish all taxes for car, the manufacturers will abolish entry level models and only sell high level models which again defeats the purpose of abolishing taxes.

rather than reducing the car price might as well put their effort in doing something that is more necessity to the rakyat, free water, lowering house prices, controlling the inflation etc. Not all people living in malaysia really need a car, what they really need is food on the table and roof over their heads.

By lowering the price, u get to lower the amount of loan u’re paying. Hence, more food to feed. And also more money to buy house. Anyway, this is one method to a better life for the rakyat. Doctrine by the G, look 1 thing at a time. Like bantuan br1m rm500 so good, but don’t look at the cost of living increased. So, berterima kasih for br1m n forget bout the cost of living. Hehe. Look at the bigger pic bro.

do you think everybody needs a car? youre the ones who need to look at a bigger picture. With more car on the road of coz it will increase demand for more fuel –> will this still be subsidised? with higher demand for fuel do you think our current production of fuel still can cope with it? do you think that the price will stay still? with the increase in fuel (if not subsidised) then the price for other consumables will increase also, will this then be subsidised? Am not supporting nor against PR but there are more things in life rather than car prices.

In a way youre right, lower car prices and lower obligation monthly hence more money to buy food and shelter. But with the above ripple effect, will the subsidy still in tact? will the extra money derived from lower monthly obligation is enough to compensate the ripple effect?