Ancient Egyptian Relief Depicting A DC Generator?

While most sources suggest that the Dendera Zodiac is an astronomical calendar of the Ancient
Egyptians, I'd like to challenge this view with an alternative and perhaps additional interpretation. With that, I mean that we may actually be
looking at a representation of an advanced, technological device.

I'm considering this viewpoint mainly because of other depictions, such as the Dendera Lights
(see further below), that are also highly reminiscent of ancient technology in Ancient Egypt.

But Let's have a look at the Zodiac first:

Astronomical Calendar, Technological Device or Both?

When looking at the circular layout of the Zodiac, it could indeed represent a starmap or
calendar incl. a representation of the skies and heavens (especially since the
zodiac is on the ceiling of a chapel at the Dendera Temple complex). But when looking closely, there might be more to it than just an astronomical
'twist' as part of a rather marvelous piece of artwork.

The similarities are intriguing and IMO a device like that is certainly at the heart of any advanced society that knows about electricity and
physics. A generator and motor, producing motion and electricity, thereby bringing things to life ... certainly something to worship, if witnessed by
a less developed civilization.

Here's why I believe that the generator layout would 'fit' the Egyptian depiction:
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1. The main field poles (A) are represented by two Egyptians holding the disc at the 4 cardinal positions
2. The interpoles (B) are each represented by one Egyptian at the 4 ordinal positions
3. 4 Poles seem to be connected to the outside (as would be the case in a 4-pole generator with 8 coils)
4. The rotation & motion of the core is represented by people & animals (central disc) facing in 'one' direction

Yet another diagram shows the possible configurations of DC generators including wiring and external connections, seemingly resembling the basic
symmetrical layout of the Dendera Zodiac:

If the Dendera Zodiac is indeed a simplified representation of a DC generator, then why did the ancient Egyptians depict it using elements of
their daily lives instead of a pure technical representation? Well, a very good question which perfectly relates to the
Dendera Lights as well.

When looking at the image below, it becomes clear that the 'general' layout of the Dendera Lights is that of a
Crooke's Tube. But on the detail-level, we see elements of daily Egyptian life, perhaps with the
exception of the djed symbol which almost exactly resembles a high-voltage insulator:

The fact that these reliefs solely seem to depict 'simplified' technological diagrams, with no evidence of any actual hardware found in the vicinity,
led me to believe that this knowledge was either shown to the Ancient Egyptians or that they found some of it at some point in the past.

Maybe some more distant ancestors or visitors had access to this technology and some descriptions or manuals ended up in the legacy of
Egyptian culture? In this context, it may be noteworthy to mention that there are also other reliefs in Ancient Egypt that also seem to depict
technological devices, such as
here (electro-magnetism?) and
here (Tesla coils?).

Due to the speculative content presented in the OP, I posted this in ATS Skunkworks instead of the Ancient Civilizations forum, but I still hope it
reaches those interested in the subject matter. Thanks for reading up to here and I'm very much looking forward to your thoughts on this ...

S&F, could it be that a DC motor works using the same principle that creates the movement of the zodiac? if you get what I mean, friction genratin
electricity and further motion, that its the same principle so both when depicted would look the same ? if you see what I'm getting at, us using
natural or universal principles, knowingly or unknowingly ?

defo an interesting post though and its not inconceivable that they had this technology, I watched an excellent documentary the other day about how
they now know that the Greeks should be credited with the invention of the first computer, not Charles Babbitch or Ava Lovelace or the principles of
the Jaccard loom that came thousands of years later, they were using an elaborate system of gears and cogs to follow moon cycles well into the future,
very impressive. so maybe the Egyptians were using similar principles at a similar time, maybe they got it from one another, who knows, they certainly
learned a lot from each other.

Having looked into this stuff for about 20 years now, I've concluded that some technology was available to the "elite class" and not available to
anyone else. Evidence of such can be found all over the world and I think the kind of knowledge you are showing us here is only the uppermost tip of a
gigantic iceberg that will show itself more and more in centuries to come.

butcherguy
I have a question.
Why don't we make schematics of DC generators using the Zodiac?
Or, why didn't the ancient Egyptians make schematics without using people and animals to do it?

So that its kept secret and only the "enlightened" could understand it. Why secret? Well thats part of a longer story involving a cataclysm, war
amongst Gods and whole range of other stuff so far out it would take this thread way off topic.

The other explanation is in the OP: Because they were shown this stuff and didnt understand what it meant.

The other explanation is in the OP: Because they were shown this stuff and didnt understand what it meant.

That doesn't do a very good job of explaining why they would go to all the trouble of superimposing the Zodiac on a DC motor or generator. Plus, if
they just looked at a motor or generator, they wouldn't see it as a section drawing, they would see the outside of it. If they are representing a
cutaway, that would indicate they had knowledge of how it worked and could possibly use a line drawing instead of people and animals... Like I said,
the calender is a calender. It has been dated by the astronomical references that are on it.
From the OP's link to Wikipedia:

Sylvie Cauville of the Centre for Computer-aided Egyptological Research at Utrecht University and Éric Aubourg dated it to 50 BC through an
examination of the configuration it shows of the five planets known to the Egyptians, a configuration that occurs once every thousand years, and the
identification of two eclipses. The solar eclipse indicates the date of March 7 51 BC, it is represented by a circle containing the goddess Isis
liking an animal (wild boar) by the tail. The lunar eclipse indicates the date of September 25 52 BC, it is represented by an Eye of Horus locked
into a circle.

You don't say... As a Facility Engineer, the resemblance is uncanny (to uncanny, however the representation on why they would pose a 4 pole
generator this way is a mystery in itself... still) Possibly that humans are energy or something along those lines? I'm very impressed. If I can
applaud I would but here's a medal for some stellar work

I have a question.
Why don't we make schematics of DC generators using the Zodiac?
Or, why didn't the ancient Egyptians make schematics without using people and animals to do it?

I was asking the very same question, which is also included in the OP. They depict the general outlines or layouts, but only used metaphors or
symbols from their own culture to make it come alive.

Machines, to them, must have been something that's alive. People & animals can represent action and motion, so can the hands that provide spin to the
central disc or core. IMO they probably incorporated a legacy from much earlier times into their culture. It seems as though they are not the creators
of said technology, but those who somehow were in contact with a highly advanced civilization (or visitors) that engineered such devices.

Overwhelmed by their technology and what it could do, they may have asked: "What is that? How does it work?". Then, somebody might have shown them
diagrams illustrating how these wonderful devices do what they do.

All this may then have lived on in their memories, an unforgettable legacy ... their lack of knowledge regarding the details and single elements of
electrical circuits could explain why they used terms & categories from their daily lives, while preserving the fundamental layout of the
design.

Just wondering what they used to excite the generator, in other word where did the induced voltage come from.
that diagram you showed calls for voltage/ current applied across the commutator.

Thanks for your comment, please also see my previous reply to butcherguy. If 'they' were not the creators of the technology they are depicting,
they wouldn't need electricity and current to run those devices.

Within their culture, they may have preserved the fundamental designs of devices witnessed through an early experience with a highly advanced
civilization ... after they've been shown how some of the machines worked (eg. by using diagrams), they tried to interpret the basic layouts using
symbols from their daily lives to reproduce the details (which, of course, were unknown to them. So they could have used the next best metaphors to
describe them).

if one was navigating one would have to use the astrological symbols to keep track of the moon
and the various constellations and planets like venus...
so they could calculate longitude among other things
they didn't have chronometers like the brits had which gave them navigational abilities

they did after all have all that math in their pyramids...
hence the old saying: if you hear hooves its more likely a horse then a zebra

Then four years ago a German scientist, Dr Svetla Balabanova, made a discovery which was to baffle Egyptologists, and call into question whole
areas of science and archeology to chemistry and botany.

She discovered that the body of Henut Taui contained large quantities of coc aine and nicotine. The surprise was not just that the ancient
Egyptians had taken drugs, but that these drugs come from tobacco and coca, plants completly unknown outside the Americas, unheard of until Sir Walter
Raleigh introduced smoking from the New World, or until coc aine was imported in the Victorian era.

The controversy began in the early 1990s, when a team of German researchers published a couple short papers claiming they'd found significant
traces of coc aine, nicotine, and "hashish" in several Egyptian mummies, some of which were more than 3,000 years old. The papers offered a
provocative insight into the personal habits of the idle rich in ancient times (conclusion: things haven't changed much in 3,000 years). Just one
problem: in pre-Columbian times, so far as we know, tobacco and coca grew only in the Americas, and there was no trade between the Old World and
New.

The earliest known iron artifacts are nine small beads, dated to 3200 BC, from burials in Gerzeh, northern Egypt, that were made from meteoritic
iron, and shaped by careful hammering.[5] Iron's qualities, in contrast to those of bronze, were not understood. Between 1200 BC and 1000 BC,
diffusion in the understanding of iron metallurgy and utilization of iron objects was fast and far-flung. In the history of ferrous metallurgy, iron
smelting — the extraction of usable metal from oxidized iron ores — is more difficult than tin and copper smelting. These other metals and their
alloys can be cold-worked, or melted in simple pottery kilns and cast in molds; but smelted iron requires hot-working and can be melted only in
specially designed furnaces. It is therefore not surprising that humans only mastered iron smelting after several millennia of bronze metallurgy.

In 2005, metallurgical analysis by Hideo Akanuma of iron fragments found at Kaman-Kalehöyük in 1994 and dating to c. 1800 BCE revealed that some of
these fragments were in fact composed of carbon steel; these currently form the world's earliest known evidence for steel manufacture.[6][7]

Modern archaeological evidence identifies the start of iron production as taking place in Anatolia around 1200 BC, though some contemporary
archaeological evidence points to earlier dates.

Lack of archaeological evidence of iron production made it seem unlikely that it had begun earlier elsewhere, and the Iron Age was seen as a case of
simple diffusion of a new and superior technology from an invention point in the Near East to other regions. It is now known that meteoric iron, or
iron-nickel alloy, was used by various ancient peoples thousands of years before the Iron Age. Such iron, being in its native metallic state, required
no smelting of ores.[8][9] By the Middle Bronze Age, increasing numbers of smelted iron objects (distinguishable from meteoric iron by the lack of
nickel in the product) appeared in the Middle East, Southeast Asia, and South Asia.

Iron in its natural form is barely harder than bronze, and is not useful for tools unless combined with carbon to make steel. The percentage of carbon
determines important characteristics of the final product: the more carbon, the harder the steel. The systematic production and use of iron implements
in Anatolia began around 2000 BC.[10] Recent archaeological research in the Ganges Valley, India showed early iron working by 1800 BC.[11] However,
this metal was expensive, perhaps because of the complications of steel-making. It is attested in both documents and archaeology as a material for
precious items such as jewellery.

just wondering what they used to excite the generator, in other word where did the induced voltage come from.
that diagram you showed calls for voltage/ current applied across the commutator.

as far as i know they didn't have magnets back then and don't say baghdad batteries, they only produced small amount of voltage and current, and i
don't ever recall any being found in egypt.

edit on 19-3-2014 by hounddoghowlie because: (no reason given)

From the earth. The pyramids in Egypt are built over a certain rock formation (forgot the name) where water could flow through and create in a sense,
a form of energy. Tesla built his unique Wardenclyffe tower over one of these said rock formations in order to harness energy from the earth and to
transmit it wirelessly.

just wondering what they used to excite the generator, in other word where did the induced voltage come from.
that diagram you showed calls for voltage/ current applied across the commutator.

as far as i know they didn't have magnets back then and don't say baghdad batteries, they only produced small amount of voltage and current, and i
don't ever recall any being found in egypt.

edit on 19-3-2014 by hounddoghowlie because: (no reason given)

From the earth. The pyramids in Egypt are built over a certain rock formation (forgot the name) where water could flow through and create in a sense,
a form of energy. Tesla built his unique Wardenclyffe tower over one of these said rock formations in order to harness energy from the earth and to
transmit it wirelessly.

Very interesting stuff that is little known by most.

if they could harness electricity from the earth, why would the so called visitors need to bring generators, ac or dc. all they would need is the
motors.

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