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Imho the interesting Yak-9s to have as collector would be the T, M or U. The others don't bring that much to the table compared to the current Yak-1B which we have as a collector plane already.

I could see the "normal" Yak-9 or a Yak-9D being part of the standard lineup of a future expansion though.

same thinking, if they bather adding collector Yak-9 it should be atleast Yak-9T, they could extend Kuban campaign and have it there, and for MP we would get atleast more diff Yak then Yak-1b that is already collectors airplane.

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I think the red will be better off with Yak 3 than with Yak 9. But Yak 9 is vey similar externally to what we have in game, so really it will not be a big deal to make it.

They would, but from what i can see selection of collector airplane is, can it be used on existing map area in historic campaign, and only then it seams it get added as option, and then better performing Yak-3 or Yak-9U or Yak-9M or La-7 dont fit any map area we have, and would only come as some part of late east war DLC.

From what i could see Yak-9T was used in Kuban area after timeline of existing Kuban SP campaign in game, and on Prokhorovka map even though they were used in Kursk they didnt operate in that south area, i think BlackSix would be able to know for sure if thats true from data hes able to see and they would then be able to see if its worth making and adding.

just adding Yak-9 i think would not do mutch as it seams it has similar performance to Yak-1b that is already option for collector airplane.

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at this point we need a better planes to balance the blue fighters like G4/G2/Fw A3/A5

The standard 1943 Yak-9 doesn't have greater performance than the 1943 Yak-1B we already have, it's basically the same:

Around 530 km/h at sea level, 590-600 km/h top speed at altitude. And the Yak-9T or Yak-9D would have slightly worse climbrate because of the added weight of the 37mm cannon or extra fuel tanks respectively, compared to the Yak-1B.

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Compare these 1943 Yak-9s with the 1943 Yak-1B we have currently in game:

Yak Modifications

Yak-1B

Yak-9T

Yak-9D

Year of issue

1943

1943

1943

Dimensions

Length, m

8.5

8.66

8.5

Wing span, m

10

9.74

9.74

Wing area, m²

17.15

17.15

17.15

Wing loading, kg/mm²

168

176

182

Weight, kg:

Empty weight

2316

2298

2350

Maximum takeoff weight

3117

3025

31﻿17

Powerplan

Engine

M-105PF

M-105PF

M-105PF

Power, hp

1180

1180

1180

Power loading, kg/hp

2.44

2.56

2.64

Performance

Maximum speed, km/h

at sea level

531

533

535

at altitude

592

597

591

m

4100

3250

3650

Time to 5000 m, min

5.4

5.5

6.1

Time of turn, sec

19

18-19

20

Service ceiling, m

10050

10000

9100

Service range, km

700

735

1360

Armament

Cannon, 20-mm

1

1

1

Machine guns, 12.7-mm

1

1

1

You can see other than the value of the Yak-9T as novelty (which would be interesting) there isn't much there to the 1943 Yak-9s at least as collector planes. You would end up in the store page with two 20 $ planes which are very similar, and ppl wouldn't be enticed to buy both of them. It's the devs interest to make the collector planes in such a way that one would want to get as many of them as possible.

So if you are going to have a new Yak that coexists with the 1B as collector plane, it would need to be a novelty/interesting variant (Yak-9T), or one of the 1944 more powerful ones to go along the BoBP fighters.

The early Yak-9 and Yak-9D have their place in the sim, but imho as part of a standard planeset, not as part of a dedicated collector plane, that's my main point. And in regards to TAW, it can be solved by convincing the campaign devs to increase the number of Yak-1Bs available in the hangar for the late scenarios to account not only for the 1B itself but for these new very similar performance Yak-9s that started coming out.

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Of course that if we have the Yak 3, will be great, but at this point we need a better planes to balance the blue fighters like G4/G2/Fw A3/A5

I can not see the balance problems there. Yak9 is almost the same than Yak1B so why it is that important regard balance? I agree that the more planes we have better for all of us but balance? You have the La5f and the La5Fn both are really fast planes on low altitudes, much faster than any 109 and depending the La5 Equal or faster as well with the 190s. Yak 1B is also faster than 109s on the deck. Max speed of the G2 is arround 520, G4 a little bit less on combat power. Emergency is just not enought durable and is just 10 km/h faster on just a minute. G6 is as fast as a Lagg3 on the deck on combat power and can not outrun a yak1B on emergency.

The problem I see now is something to fight the K4 and the Dora but for the rest of the planes is really balanced in terms of performance values.

Anyways the Yak9 was the most produced red fighter so I would liketo have it as well.

I think would be nice to add some of the early variants of the Yak and the lagg for the BOM and the N engine for the 109s E7. For me the planeset of the BOM lacks the most of all maps

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I can not see the balance problems there. Yak9 is almost the same than Yak1B so why it is that important regard balance? I agree that the more planes we have better for all of us but balance? You have the La5f and the La5Fn both are really fast planes on low altitudes, much faster than any 109 and depending the La5 Equal or faster as well with the 190s. Yak 1B is also faster than 109s on the deck. Max speed of the G2 is arround 520, G4 a little bit less on combat power. Emergency is just not enought durable and is just 10 km/h faster on just a minute. G6 is as fast as a Lagg3 on the deck on combat power and can not outrun a yak1B on emergency.

The problem I see now is something to fight the K4 and the Dora but for the rest of the planes is really balanced in terms of performance values.

Anyways the Yak9 was the most produced red fighter so I would liketo have it as well.

I think would be nice to add some of the early variants of the Yak and the lagg for the BOM and the N engine for the 109s E7. For me the planeset of the BOM lacks the most of all maps

Really, I just tried the Devs give us the Yak9 series, but most of the comments are against, I can´t understand why.

I really like to respond your points but I think this post is for suggestions not to discuss, I just made a normal suggestion: give us the Yak 9 series, that´s it.

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Well. Yak-9 its a pretty nice idea. But right now should be good add or Yak-9T for ground attack missions. Or Yak-9U to give russia a serious fighter for 1944.

But on 1943 add Yak-9D or Yak-9M is not gonna change so much the tables. Germany, besides La-5FN, stills outclassing Russian like on every aspect. You only have to climb to 1500 and you are safe of Yaks. 4000 and you are safe of pretty much everything, so i see a better option on Yak-9U or La-7 for 1944 and thats all. Balance for every nation. Off course Bodenplatte its western front thing but could he cool for a Germany map thing

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Well. Yak-9 its a pretty nice idea. But right now should be good add or Yak-9T for ground attack missions. Or Yak-9U to give russia a serious fighter for 1944.

But on 1943 add Yak-9D or Yak-9M is not gonna change so much the tables. Germany, besides La-5FN, stills outclassing Russian like on every aspect. You only have to climb to 1500 and you are safe of Yaks. 4000 and you are safe of pretty much everything, so i see a better option on Yak-9U or La-7 for 1944 and thats all. Balance for every nation. Off course Bodenplatte its western front thing but could he cool for a Germany map thing

I think we already have enough ufos in game.

You need some biplanes, not a 37/45mm fridge launcher.

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9T and other big gun versions - not so sure. They would make excellent ground attack aircraft but experience tells me that people would use masses of these in airquake serves to snipe enemies from half a kilometre away... when the modus operandi is that half the Reds are taking the Yak with the elephant gun, it tends spoils the fun and immersion.

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9T and other big gun versions - not so sure. They would make excellent ground attack aircraft but experience tells me that people would use masses of these in airquake serves to snipe enemies from half a kilometre away... when the modus operandi is that half the Reds are taking the Yak with the elephant gun, it tends spoils the fun and immersion.

It must be nightmare for you to see how ground attack me-262 and bomber intercept 262 is mostly used now as pure DF airplane hunting spits and p-47s... 😄 but good forbid if yak-9t shoot down an fighter or two. Game already have 37mms on lagg3 and p-39s, and 30mms on 109s and 190s used for bombers but mostly used in game to hunt fighters

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It must be nightmare for you to see how ground attack me-262 and bomber intercept 262 is mostly used now as pure DF airplane hunting spits and p-47s... 😄 but good forbid if yak-9t shoot down an fighter or two. Game already have 37mms on lagg3 and p-39s, and 30mms on 109s and 190s used for bombers but mostly used in game to hunt fighters

Blue team has 30 mils locked on most maps while reds have 23 and 37 mils availible in almost every scenario. 1944 La-5FN is being placed in 1943 scenarios...thats worse issue than plane shooting at something that was historically giving fighter cover to its primary target.

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Blue team has 30 mils locked on most maps while reds have 23 and 37 mils availible in almost every scenario. 1944 La-5FN is being placed in 1943 scenarios...thats worse issue than plane shooting at something that was historically giving fighter cover to its primary target.

Sounds like Wings of Liberty to me.

KOTA and CB are very different.

Germany on those servers uses 30 and everyone swaps from 20 to 30 un order to get an one shot kill

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I do not see the issue with the 30mm. Its a two-edged sword, you give up effective range and ballistics, plus ammo capacity for higher alpha damage. Its a trade-off.

Same with the P-39 37mm. It sounds great but its utterly useless for dogfight because of its poor ballistics and low rate of fire.

Not to mention it was used on literally thousends on mid/late war 109s, and quite commonly in fighter vs fighter engagements.

37mm Yaks on the other hand... its a slow firing sniper gun with insane muzzle velocity. How common these guys were in dogfights? Wasn't it meant for bomber intercept, ground attack and anti shipping operations on the Black Sea? Seeing these guys in dogfight gets about as historical as seeing Ju 87Gs sniping bombers from afar.

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Blue team has 30 mils locked on most maps while reds have 23 and 37 mils availible in almost every scenario. 1944 La-5FN is being placed in 1943 scenarios...thats worse issue than plane shooting at something that was historically giving fighter cover to its primary target.

The bf109/U4 appeared in the unit in late 1943, and was used to intercept bombers raids over Netherland and Germany. Some were send in Italy too. I didn't know any use in the East front.

La-5-FN have his first operational used during Kursk Battle, and start to be common in the Autumn 1943.

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The La-5-F we got in the game is not really a La-5-F, this is a La-5 type 37, a 'basic' La-5 motorised by a M-82F. After some succesfull test with this motor on a prototype in November 42, the NKAP have decided that all the La-5 will be equiped with this motor, and in december 42 all the La-5 in production start to be equiped with it. This is the plane we got in the game.

The real La-5-F, the La-5 type 39, introducing a lot of modifications, the Bubble top canopy is a part of it, and join the units in March 1943.

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Blue team has 30 mils locked on most maps while reds have 23 and 37 mils availible in almost every scenario. 1944 La-5FN is being placed in 1943 scenarios...thats worse issue than plane shooting at something that was historically giving fighter cover to its primary target.

from same guy who clames la5 in game can dive 800kmh 😄

4 hours ago, VO101Kurfurst said:

I do not see the issue with the 30mm. Its a two-edged sword, you give up effective range and ballistics, plus ammo capacity for higher alpha damage. Its a trade-off.

Same with the P-39 37mm. It sounds great but its utterly useless for dogfight because of its poor ballistics and low rate of fire.

Not to mention it was used on literally thousends on mid/late war 109s, and quite commonly in fighter vs fighter engagements.

37mm Yaks on the other hand... its a slow firing sniper gun with insane muzzle velocity. How common these guys were in dogfights? Wasn't it meant for bomber intercept, ground attack and anti shipping operations on the Black Sea? Seeing these guys in dogfight gets about as historical as seeing Ju 87Gs sniping bombers from afar.

i see, so only if airplane is usefule we should not get it for allieds, sounds ok lol

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It must be nightmare for you to see how ground attack me-262 and bomber intercept 262 is mostly used now as pure DF airplane hunting spits and p-47s... 😄 but good forbid if yak-9t shoot down an fighter or two. Game already have 37mms on lagg3 and p-39s, and 30mms on 109s and 190s used for bombers but mostly used in game to hunt fighters

even if i think you only post that to tease kurfust, i'll ask anyway:
you do know the 262 was drawn, developed as a pure fighter with the mk108 build in from the start?
They added bomb racks and that's all. And for it's role as anti bomber (another web legend) it was just a mission change. The MG151-20 was perfeclty able to make any bomber go down or quit it's mission, just the mk108 did the job faster...
"-oooh look, we have the fastest airplane in the world with 4-30mm's and we're being bombed, will we send it to the bombers or the swarms of fighters?
-Let's waste our ammo on the fighters, the civil population can be bombed and the cities removed from the maps, who cares!"
Enter the web legend: the schwalbe was build as a bomber destroyer!

But i think anyway that the 262 made more anti fighter missions than anti bombers.....

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"The Yak-9T was built serially at the plant N153 from March 1943 to June 1945. A total of 2748 aircraft were produced.

The Yak-9T began operating at the beginning of 1943. From the end of this year it was successfully used to fight the enemy’s ships on the Black Sea.

Military trials for combat use were carried out on 34 Yak-9T aircraft from July 5 to August 6, 1943 on the Central Front in 16 VA. On the Yak-9T flew 80 pilots of six regiments, which were part of 273 iad 6 Iaq (fighter air corps) and 1 Guards. Stalingrad iad. 78 air battles were conducted (31 of them were effective), in which, in addition to the Yak-9T, the Yak-1, Yak-7B and Yak-9 participated (428 sorties, including 150 on the Yak-9T). 110 enemy aircraft were destroyed, including: FW-190 - 54, Me-109 - 4, Ju-87 - 31, Ju-88 - 14, He-111 - 7. Of these, 49 were shot down on the Yak-9T (44, five%). Their losses - 36 aircraft, including 12 Yak-9T.

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From August 17 to September 18, 1943, 12 Yak-9T aircraft passed military tests in conjunction with three Yak-9D in 18 GWP IA 1 on the Western Front. On the Yak-9T aircraft, 172 combat sorties were made with a total time of 151 hours 54 minutes, 47 battles were fought, 9 were shot down and 2 enemy aircraft were shot down, including FW-190 - 4, He-111 - 4, Ju-87 - 2 , FW-189 - 1. Lost three Yak-9T.

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The presence of 37-mm guns allowed to significantly increase the distance of opening fire. Without reducing the likelihood of hitting an enemy aircraft, this at the same time reduced the possibility of hitting the pilot of the Yak-9T with a bomber gunner. The most favorable distances for opening fire from 37-mm cannons: 400 ... 100 m for fighters, 600 ... 500 m for bombers. However, to break up enemy bombers, it was possible to fire from a distance of 1000 ... 1200 m fragmentation projectiles with self-liquidators.

The Yak-9T was successfully used to combat enemy aircraft of both fighter and bomber types. Among the flight personnel of the Yak-9T enjoyed great popularity and was highly appreciated thanks to the installation of powerful weapons and good flight data. "

Problem sloved for krfust imersion, you see it was used as attacker and fighter, vs fighters bombers ships tanks, its basicly F-16 of ww2. Must made more anti air missions then anti ground, real fighter like 262.

SP is not a problem you use it on Kuban campaign for what was used in that area it got used and timeline, no one cares what you do with it in SP go on ground attack mission and shoot down AI fighters or bombers if you wont, and so on ...

In MP, where hes afraid of its good gun compared to bad 37 guns soviet have now in game, you already have missions on many servers set in 1944 on existing game maps with all late war axis airplanes, pretending to be over areas we dont have maps where Yak9T airplanes fit the places to be used as fighter or attacker.

So you have airplane that can be used in SP, and expand MP for late missions for vvs thats atleast as good as Yaks we have now in game but has more effective gun. Vvs now miss good number of late war fighters when you see what axis have, and east front is still most popular online, but better late war Yaks that would be more interesting for MP cant fit in SP (as who would then buy them if 90-95% players are SP only and they could use them only in QM) your left with early Yak-9 that is nothing new and Yak9T that it seams putt fear in axis, so its easy to see Yak9T would be good sell.

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I think from developper point of view they think what they would do next.

Option 1. To make a whole new package with Late Russian planes: Yak 3, La 7, Yak 9 variants, il 10 together with a new map. The question is that the German planes are already released. Maybe they would make FW 190 A6, FW 190 A9 and Ta 152. bf 190 G10.

The questions will arise strongly after BOBP is released as they will have to choose what to do next but then other possibilities arise.

Option 3. Japanese theater

Option 4. Early Jet Age with UK, USA and Russian jet prototypes versus German prototypes.

I think a good choice would be if they could at least release yak 9 as premium (maximum historical flexibity). Then they can still the possibilty to release somethinglike late Berlin front map or Balaton, I am not a history expert.

I am somewhat surprised that this has not yet spread throughout the forum, but Daniel at the meeting with Virpil Controls on Saturday explicitly announced the Yak-9, Yak-9T and Hurricane.Discuss it better than turning another topic on the forum into something completely unreadable and toxic.