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but we have to face the fact that it's dead. It is still very buggy (I can't even run it on my new PC and SOE support can't tell me why), it has no dev support so is never going to develop

This is why you have to take advice with a grain of salt, you get people spouting information that is 3 years out of date.

Vanguard has a full team of devs behind it again and is getting regular patches. It isn't that buggy (bugs do exist).

Yes you're right. I should have checked and I see it has had a lot of updates so perhaps SOE will actually manage to resurrect the game. It makes me happy to see the game getting some love. I was a loyal player through the worst of times so you have to forgive a little bitterness on my part.

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If it's a choice between only those 2, I say LOTRO. It has a ton of content, very pretty graphics, nice unique classes and is a LOT more user friendly.

Vanguard has a vast amount of content and it also has many unique classes, 15 classes in all. Yes it's not as user friendly as most of these hand holding mmo, especially the non thinking mmo such as GW2.

Vanguard is a wonderful game, but we have to face the fact that it's dead. It is still very buggy (I can't even run it on my new PC and SOE support can't tell me why), it has no dev support so is never going to develop, it's not very user friendly. And most of all you can't really play it free. SOE F2P in any of their games is just a glorified free trial. LOTRO on the other hand has a very good F2P system where you can pay for what you want when you want it, and even grind stuff to earn points rather than spend money.

Vanguard is dead, seriousaly i'm pretty sure i logged in last night and have done for the last 5.7 years playing one of my 3 level 55s and numerous atls. You cant run the game on your new PC, time to ask the company that sold the PC tyo you for a refund, i run two clients on my PC in windows mode at max settings while two boxing.

LOTRO is a great game as well, i have played the game on and off since release, great RP Laurelin.

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but we have to face the fact that it's dead. It is still very buggy (I can't even run it on my new PC and SOE support can't tell me why), it has no dev support so is never going to develop

This is why you have to take advice with a grain of salt, you get people spouting information that is 3 years out of date.

Vanguard has a full team of devs behind it again and is getting regular patches. It isn't that buggy (bugs do exist).

Yes you're right. I should have checked and I see it has had a lot of updates so perhaps SOE will actually manage to resurrect the game. It makes me happy to see the game getting some love. I was a loyal player through the worst of times so you have to forgive a little bitterness on my part.

Yeah, actually knowing what you are talking about before making silly claims always helps, never follow what you have heard.

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Originally posted by itchmoni would say LOTRO but with the caveat that i can speak only for Landroval (north america RP server). Landroval's server community is nearly unparralleled in my MMO experience. but i have heard that other servers are not as great community, except for the EU RP server (also begins with L, forget its name exactly)

It's Laurelin. The community is pretty good on most servers though.

To the OP question, I'm a bit biased as LotRO is one of my main mmo, and I only tried Vanguard after it went to f2p. But at least I can give a new-player's first impression look on it. Two concerns about Vanguard: it felt empty (in players I mean). I played the starting area, and during that time I met only 2 players... Which is very few concering it was a few days after Vanguard went f2p, and had the ads, forum entries, etc. The second was the lags / netcode, I regulary rubberbanded, sometimes I froze for 4-5 sec (not healthy during combat :) )

Beside that the game looks great on high detail, the system is complex enough to dive in and enjoy it. True, so far I had only a short time for diplomacy but it also seemed fun. LotRO is not that complex, but has a very good lore, and a nice playerbase.

The best advice I guess what others already posted: both games are f2p, so you can download them (20Gb for Vanguard and 17Gb for LotRO after RoR) and play both. This way you can decide which one fits your preferences better.

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but we have to face the fact that it's dead. It is still very buggy (I can't even run it on my new PC and SOE support can't tell me why), it has no dev support so is never going to develop

This is why you have to take advice with a grain of salt, you get people spouting information that is 3 years out of date.

Vanguard has a full team of devs behind it again and is getting regular patches. It isn't that buggy (bugs do exist).

Yes you're right. I should have checked and I see it has had a lot of updates so perhaps SOE will actually manage to resurrect the game. It makes me happy to see the game getting some love. I was a loyal player through the worst of times so you have to forgive a little bitterness on my part.

Yeah, actually knowing what you are talking about before making silly claims always helps, never follow what you have heard.

No need to jump on what I said. I bothered to correct it so as not to give the OP the wrong impression.

I have played VG a lot over the years on both Halgar and Telon servers and you will know from your 5.7 years that for a very long time the game was considered "dead". It had no support, SOE didn't care and a dwindling community of die hard fans. It's cool that SOE have rediscovered that they had a gem all this time and are putting some effort in. Whether that makes the game significantly more popular remains to be seen. If the OP isn't bothered by that then cool, the F2P option is a nice way to trial the game.

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I would have said Vanguard right off the bat.

After the F2P conversion though, Vanguard didn't seem to get as many players back in as I'd hoped, and it's still very buggy. Add to that the state of the dev team (which still seems like a joke) and it's still a bad game.

I want to suggest Vanguard because deep down I know it's a game built on really neat concepts. However, the execution (and maintainence) of the game is so horrible that I can't realistlcally suggest it to anyone except people who are already really invested into the game or who are masochists that love interacting with bugs.

LotRO has an active dev team, some neat content, and has a much more lively community than current Vanguard. Plus, it has fewer bugs. LotRO has some glaring problems, but if it were a choice between LotRO and Vanguard, LotRO wins hands down.

People who suggest Vanguard are probably reminiscing about their past with the game, but I am writing this from a current perspective. Currently, you'll have more fun in LotRO.

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Originally posted by Ferrium (in the sense that everyone knows eachother, not player base),

In that case, go with "smaller is better".

Self-pity imprisons us in the walls of our own self-absorption. The whole world shrinks down to the size of our problem, and the more we dwell on it, the smaller we are and the larger the problem seems to grow.

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I would have said Vanguard right off the bat.

After the F2P conversion though, Vanguard didn't seem to get as many players back in as I'd hoped, and it's still very buggy. Add to that the state of the dev team (which still seems like a joke) and it's still a bad game.

I want to suggest Vanguard because deep down I know it's a game built on really neat concepts. However, the execution (and maintainence) of the game is so horrible that I can't realistlcally suggest it to anyone except people who are already really invested into the game or who are masochists that love interacting with bugs.

LotRO has an active dev team, some neat content, and has a much more lively community than current Vanguard. Plus, it has fewer bugs. LotRO has some glaring problems, but if it were a choice between LotRO and Vanguard, LotRO wins hands down.

People who suggest Vanguard are probably reminiscing about their past with the game, but I am writing this from a current perspective. Currently, you'll have more fun in LotRO.

I currently play Vanguard, both Lotro and Vanguard are good games, i find there are more things to do in Vanguard, Crafting is better and diplomacy is a nice change. Vanguard has a more open world. But both are good and I advise the op to try both as they are "F2P"

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One thing I'd like to comment on, the restrictions of some of the Vanguard classes. Only to level 20, while that is true, 20 levels in vanguard takes very, very much longer to reach, than your standard mmorpg.

Therefor if you reach level 20, there must be something about the game you like, or else you wouldn't spend that much time to get to level 20. And if you did choose one of the classes that is restricted to only 20, it may be worth to sub. After all you spent many many hours reaching 20.