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That's true, actually. The starters for the fifth generation are the worst out of any other generation. Only Serperior with Contrary (which hasn't been released yet, at least to my knowledge) can be used well competitively. And please don't bring up Scarf Emboar; there are so many pokemon that can still out-speed it and do it's job better, even without Scarf in some cases.
This is the only gen where every starter pokemon is solidly in RU or lower. First gen had Venasaur (OU), Blastoise (UU), and Charizard (I have no idea anymore). Second gen had Typhlosion (with far better stats than Emboar) and Feraligatr (who also has similar stats but far better move-pool and typing). Third Gen had Blaziken (Ubers), Sceptile and Swampert (both in UU, but solid threats in OU as well). Finally, fourth gen has Infernape, who basically outclasses Emboar in every way.
I don't know why I focused so much on Emboar throughout. Feraligatr and Empoleon outclass Samurott, and Serperior is just bad until it gets Contrary, and even then it's a bit iffy.

That's true, actually. The starters for the fifth generation are the worst out of any other generation. Only Serperior with Contrary (which hasn't been released yet, at least to my knowledge) can be used well competitively. And please don't bring up Scarf Emboar; there are so many pokemon that can still out-speed it and do it's job better, even without Scarf in some cases.
This is the only gen where every starter pokemon is solidly in RU or lower. First gen had Venasaur (OU), Blastoise (UU), and Charizard (I have no idea anymore). Second gen had Typhlosion (with far better stats than Emboar) and Feraligatr (who also has similar stats but far better move-pool and typing). Third Gen had Blaziken (Ubers), Sceptile and Swampert (both in UU, but solid threats in OU as well). Finally, fourth gen has Infernape, who basically outclasses Emboar in every way.
I don't know why I focused so much on Emboar throughout. Feraligatr and Empoleon outclass Samurott, and Serperior is just bad until it gets Contrary, and even then it's a bit iffy.

I agree with all of this, but if you play the lower tiers like me you will know how epic these things are in NU. Samurott is one of the best things in NU, and Emboar is a solid threat. And both Typhlosion and Feraligatr are LU. (I think.)
And Charizard is BL3, which is between NU and RU

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Well freaking stratagem screwed me over having reveal gorebyss and gardevoir really screwed me up

Originally Posted by Soperman

Spoiler:- Rant:

That's true, actually. The starters for the fifth generation are the worst out of any other generation. Only Serperior with Contrary (which hasn't been released yet, at least to my knowledge) can be used well competitively. And please don't bring up Scarf Emboar; there are so many pokemon that can still out-speed it and do it's job better, even without Scarf in some cases.
This is the only gen where every starter pokemon is solidly in RU or lower. First gen had Venasaur (OU), Blastoise (UU), and Charizard (I have no idea anymore). Second gen had Typhlosion (with far better stats than Emboar) and Feraligatr (who also has similar stats but far better move-pool and typing). Third Gen had Blaziken (Ubers), Sceptile and Swampert (both in UU, but solid threats in OU as well). Finally, fourth gen has Infernape, who basically outclasses Emboar in every way.
I don't know why I focused so much on Emboar throughout. Feraligatr and Empoleon outclass Samurott, and Serperior is just bad until it gets Contrary, and even then it's a bit iffy.

"Oh SuperPower Emboar Come Here Please" Now your going to get it soper when he reads that post >

Originally Posted by legolover8

I agree with all of this, but if you play the lower tiers like me you will know how epic these things are in NU. Samurott is one of the best things in NU, and Emboar is a solid threat. And both Typhlosion and Feraligatr are LU. (I think.)
And Charizard is BL3, which is between NU and RU

I agree with all of this, but if you play the lower tiers like me you will know how epic these things are in NU. Samurott is one of the best things in NU, and Emboar is a solid threat. And both Typhlosion and Feraligatr are LU. (I think.)
And Charizard is BL3, which is between NU and RU

A pokemon being good in NU does not make it good.
Feraligatr might be UU. sceptile is def RU.

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If you PM me I will do my best to get back to you.

And again, speaking of the FRPL, it looks like we may need new managers for Goldenrod and Nimbasa. So, if anyone's interested, shoot me a PM.

Finally, you should find that the Hall of Fame will soon be updated with points being awarded in the Combat Hall of Fame for getting TMP Symbols (although the entry requirement for this has consequently gone up). You'll also find info on 'HoF Appeals'. Essentially what this is is you asking us, well, me, to calculate how many HoF points you have. You can do this once a week per HoF. This saves the leaders having to calculate everyone's HoF points for each Hall, when it's irrelevant for the majority of people.

Hey Serebii, how you doing? Not sure how many of you guys from way back are out there, but just to let you know that I'm back, though I'm not sure how regularly I'll be on. Thanks for everything, and I hope I can continue to enjoy my time here!

I used to be really active on PO but I quit for a year and I just came back about 2 weeks ago. I'm a pretty good battler I guess, my peak in Wifi OU is 1667, and 1508 in Wifi Ubers. I'm a pretty chill guy I think, but I guess that's up to you. Quite a few people from the CG channel have told me to join so here I am. If you want to know more, just ask.

Battle Of The Day
Sorry I haven't done this but the PO replay viewer is down so i had to go with showdown so here it is. This battle shows why dragonite is a special boss while politoed is the best tank in the game nuff said also
I'd say thats pretty damn good im happy with that

I used to be really active on PO but I quit for a year and I just came back about 2 weeks ago. I'm a pretty good battler I guess, my peak in Wifi OU is 1667, and 1508 in Wifi Ubers. I'm a pretty chill guy I think, but I guess that's up to you. Quite a few people from the CG channel have told me to join so here I am. If you want to know more, just ask.

Amethyst, because we just got bray. Watch Psycho overrule this one also. (his first is amethyst, his second is zircon.)

When an unknown infection spreads throughout Hoenn, it's up to three elite Trainers to defeat its source: Deoxys.

Currently up to Chapter 2 of the sequel.

Credit to Atari!

Originally Posted by Kamina

Do you know why people have eyes at the front? It's to see the vast landscape, and to move forward. If we had eyes in the back, we'd only see ourselves leaving our birthplace. That way, people could never move forward. Our eyes are at the front, so that when we walk, the distant landscape draws closer. That's why people can move forward.

Amethyst, because we just got bray. Watch Psycho overrule this one also. (his first is amethyst, his second is zircon.)

Lol, I genuinely might. If you're as good as you say, you should perhaps join Citrine?

Anyway, I've just managed to nab time for one game on Pokemon Showdown (can't use PO for a while, sadly). And I have to say, it was a very good game indeed. I think I made a blunder at the start, letting my opponent get three layers of spikes down right from the word go, which meant I was playing with a big disadvantage. The game was fairly haxless, with his early awaken being coutneracted by a miss. Things looked bleak for me, but some great play, if I do say so myself, certainly made it more intersting. I'll let you watch the battle to see who emerges victorious.

Hey Serebii, how you doing? Not sure how many of you guys from way back are out there, but just to let you know that I'm back, though I'm not sure how regularly I'll be on. Thanks for everything, and I hope I can continue to enjoy my time here!

That's true, actually. The starters for the fifth generation are the worst out of any other generation. Only Serperior with Contrary (which hasn't been released yet, at least to my knowledge) can be used well competitively. And please don't bring up Scarf Emboar; there are so many pokemon that can still out-speed it and do it's job better, even without Scarf in some cases.
This is the only gen where every starter pokemon is solidly in RU or lower. First gen had Venasaur (OU), Blastoise (UU), and Charizard (I have no idea anymore). Second gen had Typhlosion (with far better stats than Emboar) and Feraligatr (who also has similar stats but far better move-pool and typing). Third Gen had Blaziken (Ubers), Sceptile and Swampert (both in UU, but solid threats in OU as well). Finally, fourth gen has Infernape, who basically outclasses Emboar in every way.
I don't know why I focused so much on Emboar throughout. Feraligatr and Empoleon outclass Samurott, and Serperior is just bad until it gets Contrary, and even then it's a bit iffy.

When an unknown infection spreads throughout Hoenn, it's up to three elite Trainers to defeat its source: Deoxys.

Currently up to Chapter 2 of the sequel.

Credit to Atari!

Originally Posted by Kamina

Do you know why people have eyes at the front? It's to see the vast landscape, and to move forward. If we had eyes in the back, we'd only see ourselves leaving our birthplace. That way, people could never move forward. Our eyes are at the front, so that when we walk, the distant landscape draws closer. That's why people can move forward.

Well freaking stratagem screwed me over having reveal gorebyss and gardevoir really screwed me up

"Oh SuperPower Emboar Come Here Please" Now your going to get it soper when he reads that post >

Such a stupid tier just move it up to RU

I would like to clear up what the BL tiers are. They are simply banlists from a certain tier, as Ubers is for OU. BL isn't really a playable tier, for example, just pokemon that are banned from UU despite not having enough usage to be in OU. Thus a Pokemon like Gorybess, who recieves almost no usage in UU, is still banned from RU and NU because it is one of the most threatening sweepers in the tiers, and smashpass is gay.

Also, Empoleon was great in 4th Gen, as was Infernape and especially Swampert. Venusaur was known as the king of UU for good reason, even before chlorophyll, with Blaziken and Blastoise two of the best UU pokemon. Second gen and Fifth gen have certainly had the worst starters imo. But note that the starters weren't even usable in their own generation until Gen 3 -- you don't see any starter in the 13 pokemon that dominate RBY OU, nor one that recieves any usage in GSC. It's not till Gen 3 that you see Swampert as one of the best OU tanks, and then the 4th Gen Starters -- so really, imo 4th Gen had the best starters, then 3rd, then 1st. Also why do all the grass starters suck come on....

Yeah, special Dragonite is incredible in Rain with access to Thunder and Hurricane. I really wish they would give Zapdos hurricane -- they gave it to Articuno and Moltres why not the Zap?

I would like to clear up what the BL tiers are. They are simply banlists from a certain tier, as Ubers is for OU. BL isn't really a playable tier, for example, just pokemon that are banned from UU despite not having enough usage to be in OU. Thus a Pokemon like Gorybess, who recieves almost no usage in UU, is still banned from RU and NU because it is one of the most threatening sweepers in the tiers, and smashpass is gay.

Also, Empoleon was great in 4th Gen, as was Infernape and especially Swampert. Venusaur was known as the king of UU for good reason, even before chlorophyll, with Blaziken and Blastoise two of the best UU pokemon. Second gen and Fifth gen have certainly had the worst starters imo. But note that the starters weren't even usable in their own generation until Gen 3 -- you don't see any starter in the 13 pokemon that dominate RBY OU, nor one that recieves any usage in GSC. It's not till Gen 3 that you see Swampert as one of the best OU tanks, and then the 4th Gen Starters -- so really, imo 4th Gen had the best starters, then 3rd, then 1st. Also why do all the grass starters suck come on....

Yeah, special Dragonite is incredible in Rain with access to Thunder and Hurricane. I really wish they would give Zapdos hurricane -- they gave it to Articuno and Moltres why not the Zap?

Actually gorebyss is allowed in smogon NU and RU its just smash pass itself thats banned

That's true, actually. The starters for the fifth generation are the worst out of any other generation. Only Serperior with Contrary (which hasn't been released yet, at least to my knowledge) can be used well competitively. And please don't bring up Scarf Emboar; there are so many pokemon that can still out-speed it and do it's job better, even without Scarf in some cases.
This is the only gen where every starter pokemon is solidly in RU or lower. First gen had Venasaur (OU), Blastoise (UU), and Charizard (I have no idea anymore). Second gen had Typhlosion (with far better stats than Emboar) and Feraligatr (who also has similar stats but far better move-pool and typing). Third Gen had Blaziken (Ubers), Sceptile and Swampert (both in UU, but solid threats in OU as well). Finally, fourth gen has Infernape, who basically outclasses Emboar in every way.
I don't know why I focused so much on Emboar throughout. Feraligatr and Empoleon outclass Samurott, and Serperior is just bad until it gets Contrary, and even then it's a bit iffy.

Originally Posted by Psychic Swordsman

In competitive, maybe. But Samurott is awesome ingame. It gets Razor Shell pretty early on, and then you can pretty much just roflstomp Unova until the other mons get more balanced moves to match it.

and Emboar don't give any sh*ts about what you think, gets Assurance around the time you pass all the Psychic types in route 5, gets arm thrust which hits just enough times for a KO, can successfully kill Boldore with arm thrust even with two hits, learns an amazing variety of moves that makes him a very difficult to stop destruction machine and starts off as the cutest thing since glue, began the revival of the move Superpower as an egg move, oh and is perfectly suited for all the gyms in BW and most of BW2.

But seriously, as someone who had Emboar on their team competitively for the better part of a year and has still become a meh battler, It's not eh tier of the pokemon that matters, but the strategy of the trainer behind the Pokemon.

Originally Posted by Usatoday

"Oh SuperPower Emboar Come Here Please" Now your going to get it soper when he reads that post >: D

You see because Emboar was not the fire/fighting type the world of Pokemon needed, but it is what Gotham the competitive world deserved after Infernape and Speed boost Blaziken were invented.

Also, it feeds my underdog complex, so I love it so very very much.

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Originally Posted by Propane

I simply can't get rid of my starter, I'm always too attached to it. Besides many of them are incredible good in the competetive game, like Infernape, venassaur or empoleon

I would like to clear up what the BL tiers are. They are simply banlists from a certain tier, as Ubers is for OU. BL isn't really a playable tier, for example, just pokemon that are banned from UU despite not having enough usage to be in OU. Thus a Pokemon like Gorybess, who recieves almost no usage in UU, is still banned from RU and NU because it is one of the most threatening sweepers in the tiers, and smashpass is gay.

Also, Empoleon was great in 4th Gen, as was Infernape and especially Swampert. Venusaur was known as the king of UU for good reason, even before chlorophyll, with Blaziken and Blastoise two of the best UU pokemon. Second gen and Fifth gen have certainly had the worst starters imo. But note that the starters weren't even usable in their own generation until Gen 3 -- you don't see any starter in the 13 pokemon that dominate RBY OU, nor one that recieves any usage in GSC. It's not till Gen 3 that you see Swampert as one of the best OU tanks, and then the 4th Gen Starters -- so really, imo 4th Gen had the best starters, then 3rd, then 1st. Also why do all the grass starters suck come on....

Yeah, special Dragonite is incredible in Rain with access to Thunder and Hurricane. I really wish they would give Zapdos hurricane -- they gave it to Articuno and Moltres why not the Zap?

The reason all the starters aren't amazing is because they can't make a pokemon that's super amazing just available. That'd be game breaking. Same reason Haxorus is found further into the game than lillipup.

The reason all the starters aren't amazing is because they can't make a pokemon that's super amazing just available. That'd be game breaking. Same reason Haxorus is found further into the game than lillipup.

Although depending on my teams needs. I'd rather have a stoutland than a Haxorus.

That's true, actually. The starters for the fifth generation are the worst out of any other generation. Only Serperior with Contrary (which hasn't been released yet, at least to my knowledge) can be used well competitively. And please don't bring up Scarf Emboar; there are so many pokemon that can still out-speed it and do it's job better, even without Scarf in some cases.This is the only gen where every starter pokemon is solidly in RU or lower. First gen had Venasaur (OU), Blastoise (UU), and Charizard (I have no idea anymore). Second gen had Typhlosion (with far better stats than Emboar) and Feraligatr (who also has similar stats but far better move-pool and typing). Third Gen had Blaziken (Ubers), Sceptile and Swampert (both in UU, but solid threats in OU as well). Finally, fourth gen has Infernape, who basically outclasses Emboar in every way.
I don't know why I focused so much on Emboar throughout. Feraligatr and Empoleon outclass Samurott, and Serperior is just bad until it gets Contrary, and even then it's a bit iffy.

Actually the second gen Pokémon are all in RU and NU. Typhlosion & Feralgatr are both RU, and Meganium is NU.

I used to be really active on PO but I quit for a year and I just came back about 2 weeks ago. I'm a pretty good battler I guess, my peak in Wifi OU is 1667, and 1508 in Wifi Ubers. I'm a pretty chill guy I think, but I guess that's up to you. Quite a few people from the CG channel have told me to join so here I am. If you want to know more, just ask.

Battle Of The Day
Sorry I haven't done this but the PO replay viewer is down so i had to go with showdown so here it is. This battle shows why dragonite is a special boss while politoed is the best tank in the game nuff said also
I'd say thats pretty damn good im happy with that

I can't read any of these...I'm sure they're good though

Originally Posted by The Mysterious Stranger

Amethyst, because we just got bray. Watch Psycho overrule this one also. (his first is amethyst, his second is zircon.)

No freaking way. I'm actually sick of people saying Amethyst is OP. The divisions are totally balanced, strength and activity wise. In fact as far as people doing on record battles go, Amethyst probably has the least.

Originally Posted by Psychic Swordsman

In competitive, maybe. But Samurott is awesome ingame. It gets Razor Shell pretty early on, and then you can pretty much just roflstomp Unova until the other mons get more balanced moves to match it.

To be fair, you can do pretty well ingame with any poke. I once played through Crystal only using Feraligatr and HM slaves. Waterfall/Ice Punch/Bite/Some move I can't remember, probably strength. I got to like lvl 70 by the time I got to the E4

Originally Posted by Psycho Cut

Lol, I genuinely might. If you're as good as you say, you should perhaps join Citrine?

I would like to clear up what the BL tiers are. They are simply banlists from a certain tier, as Ubers is for OU. BL isn't really a playable tier, for example, just pokemon that are banned from UU despite not having enough usage to be in OU. Thus a Pokemon like Gorybess, who recieves almost no usage in UU, is still banned from RU and NU because it is one of the most threatening sweepers in the tiers, and smashpass is gay.

Also, Empoleon was great in 4th Gen, as was Infernape and especially Swampert. Venusaur was known as the king of UU for good reason, even before chlorophyll, with Blaziken and Blastoise two of the best UU pokemon. Second gen and Fifth gen have certainly had the worst starters imo. But note that the starters weren't even usable in their own generation until Gen 3 -- you don't see any starter in the 13 pokemon that dominate RBY OU, nor one that recieves any usage in GSC. It's not till Gen 3 that you see Swampert as one of the best OU tanks, and then the 4th Gen Starters -- so really, imo 4th Gen had the best starters, then 3rd, then 1st. Also why do all the grass starters suck come on....

Yeah, special Dragonite is incredible in Rain with access to Thunder and Hurricane. I really wish they would give Zapdos hurricane -- they gave it to Articuno and Moltres why not the Zap?

Thank god, somebody gets it.

Originally Posted by mcdanger

super: cause gamefreak likes screwing with people

Nah, Final Gambit Shedinja is totally viable

Originally Posted by The Mysterious Stranger

The reason all the starters aren't amazing is because they can't make a pokemon that's super amazing just available. That'd be game breaking. Same reason Haxorus is found further into the game than lillipup.

As I said above, I beat the entire game with my starter. You are right though. The legendary and psudo-legendaries wouldn't be such a bit deal if you could find them right at the start of the game