one thing to keep in mind guys, if Whiz is fired and Horten is promoted, how much of the offensive staff remains? What if Horton and Miller, or Horten and Grimm have a great relationship and he keeps them around.

Having said that, I would love to see Ray Horton running this team, hopefully he can re-build our offense as well._________________
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one thing to keep in mind guys, if Whiz is fired and Horten is promoted, how much of the offensive staff remains? What if Horton and Miller, or Horten and Grimm have a great relationship and he keeps them around.

We all seem to think Horton would make an excellent coach and I'd bet the majority would want him taking over this team at some point. However, do you think he will be given a pass on this season? This year's D has not played well since the 1st few games. Tackling alone has been an issue over and over. Even those who have hinted that last night was not that bad have to admit that no good D let's a QB complete 18 of 19 or allows a RB to run at will up their gut! It's not just the offense coming up short as of late and the defensive woes have to fall to a great extent on Horton's shoulders IMHO._________________Adopt a Bill:
CB Ronald Darby - 46 Tckl, 5 Ast, 0 Sck, 10 PDef, 0 Int, 0 FF, 0 TD
RB Mike Gillislee - 56 Rsh, 326 Yds, 4 TD, 20 FD, 8 Rec, 40 Yds, 1 TD, 1 FD

The way this team looks, they look destined to finish below 8-8 but if we can't win more than two games, he really should be fired. That would mean this team ended up going 2-10, 1-11, or 0-12 to end the year.

Whiz has to own up to not developing any QBs and Grimm has to own up to not fielding a competent offensive line in his tenure here. How long has this team struggled to create lanes in the run game and protect the QB? We can blame it on not drafting players for him, but this is a business that does not care for excuses. Grimm and Whiz have not delivered so it may be time to go._________________
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The way this team looks, they look destined to finish below 8-8 but if we can't win more than two games, he really should be fired. That would mean this team ended up going 2-10, 1-11, or 0-12 to end the year.

Whiz has to own up to not developing any QBs and Grimm has to own up to not fielding a competent offensive line in his tenure here. How long has this team struggled to create lanes in the run game and protect the QB? We can blame it on not drafting players for him, but this is a business that does not care for excuses. Grimm and Whiz have not delivered so it may be time to go.

Fire ken,miller,Grimm promote horton, and someone posted last night that we should get Norv turner to run the offense that would be awesome. I never forgave wiz for running leinart out of zona. Was he the qb he should have been? Who knows because he never got a chance. You look at Alex smith dude struggled he gets a new head coach whose like hey you got this I think you can lead this team to a Super Bowl. And all leinart got was open competitions against journeymen qbs.

The way this team looks, they look destined to finish below 8-8 but if we can't win more than two games, he really should be fired. That would mean this team ended up going 2-10, 1-11, or 0-12 to end the year.

Whiz has to own up to not developing any QBs and Grimm has to own up to not fielding a competent offensive line in his tenure here. How long has this team struggled to create lanes in the run game and protect the QB? We can blame it on not drafting players for him, but this is a business that does not care for excuses. Grimm and Whiz have not delivered so it may be time to go.

Can't see Whiz lasting here more than another year. No QB and no OL? That's hard to fix in a single year and yet he had many years before to do something about it. The Kolb trade didn't work out. He kept ignoring the OL. He drafted RBs and WRs instead. He built this offense from the outside-in. That's not how you built a good offense. You need to build from the inside-out. His offensive prowess is absolutely terrible. He's making Kolb/Skelton run a Warner-like offense and we've yet to see Steeler football since he took over._________________Favorite 2015 Prospects: Tyler Lockett WR, Tevin Coleman RB, Laken Tomlinson OG, Shaq Thompson LB, Nate Orchard OLB

Can't see Whiz lasting here more than another year. No QB and no OL? That's hard to fix in a single year and yet he had many years before to do something about it. The Kolb trade didn't work out. He kept ignoring the OL. He drafted RBs and WRs instead. He built this offense from the outside-in. That's not how you built a good offense. You need to build from the inside-out. His offensive prowess is absolutely terrible. He's making Kolb/Skelton run a Warner-like offense and we've yet to see Steeler football since he took over.

Agreed 9 carries for 7 yrds, Skelton threw 55 times our staff acts like we still have kurt