The 15 Highest Paying Jobs In Americahttp://www.businessinsider.com/the-15-best-paid-jobs-in-america-2011-5/comments
en-usWed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500Sun, 18 Feb 2018 01:08:06 -0500Kathy Kristofhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4de8b7dbccd1d5504a080000donavanFri, 03 Jun 2011 06:30:51 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4de8b7dbccd1d5504a080000
thanks for the interesting factshttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4de8b7ce4bd7c81450160000CharlesFri, 03 Jun 2011 06:30:38 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4de8b7ce4bd7c81450160000
Please, not a single Wall Street bankster with their taxpayer bailouts and million dollar bonuses? Who do you think you're fooling?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4ddc64bcccd1d585630a0000J WilsonTue, 24 May 2011 22:09:00 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4ddc64bcccd1d585630a0000
How did you form that opinion? And when I say American docs, I mean docs TRAINED in America, which includes some foreign-born docs. And how many prospective docs go to Switzerland to train? How many prospective docs come to America to train? Obviously, people from damn near every country in the world come to the US to train. I don't know, nor have I heard of an American that went to Switzerland for training.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4ddb844649e2aebd0a040000enghouTue, 24 May 2011 06:11:18 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4ddb844649e2aebd0a040000
(<a href="http://allaboutlovensex.blogspot.com" target="_blank">http://allaboutlovensex.blogspot.com</a>) most of the jobs are health-related, no wonder healthcare costs are so high, now US has budget deficit , debt ceiling problem, perhaps the tax collectors should now know who to look to for help in filling the state coffershttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4ddab52a49e2aecd43080000MMon, 23 May 2011 15:27:38 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4ddab52a49e2aecd43080000
All jobs dependent on a 9000 mile just in time logistics system powered by fossil fuels and ben bernank monkey bucks. I am sure this will go on and on forever and ever in a kingdom far far away. In the real world most of these professions will be lucky if they have comfortable shoes , 2 hots and a cot and warm place to take a crap in a few years.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dda2fbacadcbb5426080000PeonyerMon, 23 May 2011 05:58:18 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dda2fbacadcbb5426080000
Maybe happiness is not so much related to profession, it's a feeling that should be live in the heart of everybody.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dda2e19cadcbba220130000gas passerMon, 23 May 2011 05:51:21 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dda2e19cadcbba220130000
Rabid: Well said.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dda19eeccd1d53077420000Linda Mon, 23 May 2011 04:25:18 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dda19eeccd1d53077420000
I live in Australia and my family doctor who is also an old family friend is from Sri lanka. I really don't see how foreign doctors are bad because they're not. My dad was telling me about this one doctor from India and he was standing up for himself because he was about to be fired. He argued he was always the first to turn up for work, he stayed behind for long hours and never complained until his job was threatened. My dad also said he was one of the best doctors he ever had and he was getting paid less than what other doctors we're earning. It should never be about how much you make. It should always be about the people and the joy you feel knowing you can save them. If you're not happy you're in the wrong profession.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd9eaff4bd7c8bf43200000RabidTexanMon, 23 May 2011 01:05:03 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd9eaff4bd7c8bf43200000
Friends, Romans, Countrymen--
Why are we focusing on justifying a doctor's salary when it is clear that pay for doctors (in this country) is commensurate to a certain extent with years of education and liabilities faced on the job. I mean if someone is in charge of your wellbeing, don't you want them to be rigorously trained--wherever the training may be (Most FMG's sweat it out just the same if not more) and wouldn't you want someone who takes their job seriously because mistakes are costly(of your life). A high salary with serious penalties for mistake makes complete sense to create economic rewards for those who serve as practitioners of medicine. This comes with years of sacrifice (social, family, etc.) and grueling mental work. Sure there are bad apples, and sure their are doctors paid excessively with regards to their responsibilities. But that's life--the outliers do not make the rule.
Why, however, are lawyers that train for 3 years and do not often face the sacrifices that medical professionals do earn 6 figures on average? Why is this? Are lawyers paid accordingly? Is their pay an incentive to act in the best interest of the people whose personal rights they are the stewards of? Do they make the best laws regarding health care and medical malpractice litigation given their high salaries? These are some questions worth considering in the context of this discussion.
Rabidhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd93b1fcadcbbe6041a0000 Progress ExistsSun, 22 May 2011 12:34:39 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd93b1fcadcbbe6041a0000
I don't know what backwater, redneck filled area you are from but RTs in the rest of the country do a lot more than "vent jockeys". RTs in New England do bronchs and much more. I guess the Texan doctors want all the stress of trying to do things themselves which only will spread the attention they can give to their patients too thin, hence the more progressive rest of the country. In Nebraska RTs are in the operating room and take care of patients on vents post op. I have news for the imbecile doctors here: it doesn't matter what you did during surgery if your patient dies because of bad post op care. That is why RTs go to school for up to 5 years now in the progressive states. Maybe in backwoods Texas RTs get their credentials from diploma mills, but not the rest of the country.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd939a04bd7c85220150000lahloobaSun, 22 May 2011 12:28:16 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd939a04bd7c85220150000
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Is that why America has the worst medical outcomes of any industrialized country? No wonder people want to sue you. If you doctors were so smart it would be different and their wouldn't be all the malpractice lawsuits there are. And don't forget all the medical mistakes that happen. I know mistakes can happen anywhere but doctors are too arrogant for their own good. Case in point.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd918f6ccd1d5265d150000Will HSun, 22 May 2011 10:08:54 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd918f6ccd1d5265d150000
Neil Macintyre is an MD. Margaret, I defend your role as an RT, but not as an attacker and debaser of the profession. I am an pulmonologist, and respect you and nurses alike, for only together can we take care of patients. Please stop this nonsensical, small minded rhetoric.
One thing is for sure: You don't go into the medical profession to make money. You can't be paid enough for what you do, the amount of work that you do, and the mental agony that you go through.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd9187dcadcbbc652030000hjuyghjkhjgtmSun, 22 May 2011 10:06:53 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd9187dcadcbbc652030000
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You can get what you want!thank you!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd9131eccd1d58951170000Not Fair for MDsSun, 22 May 2011 09:43:58 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd9131eccd1d58951170000
Lawyers and insurance companies are sucking the life out of doctors.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd9127ccadcbb40470d0000the circle goes roundSun, 22 May 2011 09:41:16 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd9127ccadcbb40470d0000
Doctors apparently are so busy looking out only for themselves that they couldn't care less about everyone else. It is all about them and their own little world of ego and exaggerated self importance. How many medication errors lead to serious illness or accidental death every year? 200,000? I think doctors need to get more humility.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd911ebccd1d5b04f0d0000zoroSun, 22 May 2011 09:38:51 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd911ebccd1d5b04f0d0000
U can't live below yearly 200--250 K in US !
ivy schools = 50 K
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When there is a code who do they call? They sure don't call the doctor right away. They call the RT and nurses also come to push meds. Who is most likely to intubate? The RT. MDs come strolling in after everybody else gets there. And, quite frankly, I have seen DONs that run ACLS codes as well as doctors. Moreover, some doctors can't intubate very well since they don't do it very often.
Moreover, like the hospital I work at, RTs are floated all over the hospital. Even nurses don't have as many patients as RTs. Nurses have a better lobby and have a longer history. Most MDs,especially the young ones, don't really even know what RTs do. And RTs go to school in different programs of differing length. Some are crap, like some of your MD programs out there, very mediocre, and some are great.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd90e954bd7c88157240000Margaret,RTSun, 22 May 2011 09:24:37 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd90e954bd7c88157240000
And for your information, there are RTs that have overturned the research of MDs in the pulmonary field. The fact that you don't know that is really shocking. Just comes to show you that med schools aren't doing their job educating students properly. So, obviously you don't know what you are talking about and only want to maintain your delusions of grandeur. Doctor McKintyre's work on PEEP was one such case. It's not how much knowledge you have that counts. It's how you use it.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd90d2e4bd7c8a853260000Margaret,RTSun, 22 May 2011 09:18:38 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd90d2e4bd7c8a853260000
I don't know what crap medical school you graduated from but RTs today do their OWN vent weaning protocols, which most GPs don't understand. In fact, GPs are not even ALLOWED to touch the vents. I know how you have the God complex and want to take responsibility for everything that goes well. And everyone knows how things do not turn out well because of bad choices MDs make, and everyone makes mistakes, I know.
I have seen RTs actually come up with ideas that doctors turned down which were actually correct and lead to a better patient outcome. Who spends more time with the patient? Not the MD. RTs often know BETTER when to wean and not to wean patients. I have seen MDs make poor choices that were circumvented by a wise RT who knew better than to follow such an asinine order from the MD, because the MD did not know the patient.. "Vent jockeys" are a thing of the past. Maybe in your back woods crap hospital RTs are vent jockeys but in Mass. and other states RTs are doing a LOT more. That demeaning, haughty,snide, contemptuous comment shows the greedy, malicious nature of doctors. No wonder MDs are despised. Some doctors go to medical school for a long time and have nothing to show for it. Just ask those who know their work. Doctors are not GOD. Come back to earth.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd90b754bd7c86659010000Margaret,RT,BSRCSun, 22 May 2011 09:11:17 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd90b754bd7c86659010000
Just look at the comments doctors make here. They want the whole medical world profits, which involves staggering amounts of money, to be their own private exclusive fief, and to hell with everybody else. No wonder the middle class is disappearing. Doctors are like the top 1% of American society--they want it ALL. They don't care how educated you are. They want it all. Pure unmitigated greed. I am all for good compensation, but they want it only for themselves.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd90a264bd7c8a8531c0000Margaret,RT,BSRCSun, 22 May 2011 09:05:42 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd90a264bd7c8a8531c0000
Without people kept alive ON life support you have no patients,arrogant, pig ignorant greedy cretin MDs. And, for your information, it is a FACT that MDs often can't even pass the RRT. exam. That just reveals your pig ignorance and typical doctor arrogance. No wonder you are despised by the general population and fellow health care providers. Educated competent medical school students will vouch for me as I know many of them well.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd8fd214bd7c8893a2d0000denlove07Sun, 22 May 2011 08:10:09 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd8fd214bd7c8893a2d0000
35?? wow, that's something.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd8f7e3cadcbb2617190000Will HSun, 22 May 2011 07:47:47 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd8f7e3cadcbb2617190000
Hey, this is not about MD vs RT. It's about everyone in health care getting what they rightfully deserve for saving lives, as opposed those of scheme simply to make money. Leave Margaret alone.
Here lies the hypocrisy of the American discourse: every discussion about tax increases for those making more than $250,000 is opposed with lines like: don't tax the rich, those Wall St folks work hard for their money. Here we have MD's, surgeons no less, who work the hardest of anyone, putting in 80 hr weeks, day and night, work hard to save lives, and make okay money, yet we have folks on this board saying they don't deserve the pay?? THAT is ridiculous.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd8d99d4bd7c8c87d1e0000mdSun, 22 May 2011 05:38:37 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd8d99d4bd7c8c87d1e0000
You are ignorant if you think that as a RT that you keep the patient alive. You are a vent jockey. Go to medical school if you want to be a doctor and take credit for saving a life. You don't don't know enough to realize how ridiculous your claim is.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd895924bd7c8334a390000just.a.guySun, 22 May 2011 00:48:18 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd895924bd7c8334a390000
Even the choice between money and health is a false dichotomy in the long run for any behavior-related conditions, because people can choose to live healthier lives at zero monetary cost.
If you knew a diabetes diagnosis would wind up costing you 20% of your income for the rest of your life, how likely would you be to reach for that 2nd glazed donut?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd894934bd7c8364a250000just.a.guySun, 22 May 2011 00:44:03 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd894934bd7c8364a250000
You're both wrong. Places like Singapore have superior medical outcomes for complex procedures (e.g. heart surgery) yet produce those outcomes at a fraction of the cost. At the same time, doctors there earn an excellent living.
What is that they have that the US doesn't? Actually it's the reverse -- what they do NOT have is a parasitic, pervasive system of private health insurance.
Medical care in the US is too expensive for what we get, but it is not because of doctors (their medieval guild-like licensing board cartel notwithstanding)http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd893b1ccd1d5b3400b0000just.a.guySun, 22 May 2011 00:40:17 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd893b1ccd1d5b3400b0000
How are they supposed to sleep well at night when they're jacked up on red bull, vodka, and cocaine, and bedding half a dozen models simultaneously?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd8813d49e2aedd43160000sparkerSat, 21 May 2011 23:21:33 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd8813d49e2aedd43160000
Nick you are a moron. I hope you get all your medical care from a Cuban dr. If you had any facts you would know that about 50% residency slots for the less paid( Primary care) drs are filled by foreign. They retain many of the cultural beliefs of their native lands such as women are 2nd class citizens.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd8755e4bd7c8e81f060000toofunnySat, 21 May 2011 22:30:54 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd8755e4bd7c8e81f060000
These Surgeons makes less than all Wall Street Secretary
These Dentists makes less than all Washington Lobbyists
These Lawyers make less than all Pharmaceutical Sales Managers
Kathy Kristof forgot to Tame this Tuition Tiger or factor in one malpracticehttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd86e2acadcbb4f78000000Will HSat, 21 May 2011 22:00:10 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd86e2acadcbb4f78000000
People are forgetting that physicians are actually being paid LESS than ever in the history of this country after accounting for inflation all the while health care costs are soaring. Wake the f...k up, it's not the physicians who are robbing you. It's 1.) aging of the population, 2.) increasing life expectancy, and 3.) the expensive medications and therapies that the industry sells you and you get with ZERO price sensitivity. We can't do anything about the first two, but if each of us pay for health care in percentage of actual cost, it'd go a long way towards controlling the cost of health care. Sure...some of us may die sooner, but it's at least give each health care consumer a choice between money and health.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd85af049e2ae26740d0000exposing racist double standardsSat, 21 May 2011 20:38:08 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd85af049e2ae26740d0000
Obviously you don't know about the hundreds of white farmers murdered in South Africa over the years without a culprit caught or the thousands of Zimbabwe white farmers feeding the continent who have had their farms stolen and been attacked as Robert Mugabe wants to return all things in Zimbabwe back to "true Africans".... It is funny how pig ignorant people in America are..Obama will do nothing for them, of course. The South African government headed by the communist Mandela and the guy who denied HIV causes AIDS did nothing.. How is that for justice? I guess you only get justice if you are black. You get affirmative action in the U.S. In South Africa you get kidnapped, murdered or don't get a job because of reverse affirmative action policies of the majority black Africans.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd85802ccd1d53d5d100000kioSat, 21 May 2011 20:25:38 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd85802ccd1d53d5d100000
Because vet school is a cartel like med school, while other health profession schools sprout up all over the place as diploma mills destroying the already collapsing middle class. Well,America how do you like that? Just look at your own city and look at how many schools teach the SAME THING.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd8570b49e2ae90640e0000VictorSat, 21 May 2011 20:21:31 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd8570b49e2ae90640e0000
Is that why there is a doctor shortage of over 150,000 over the years to come? The AMA is a cartel like OPEC. Doctors only look out for themselves and to hell with the rest of the healthcare team. Look at the CRNAs who can't get jobs in some big cities because the more expensive anesthesiologists make sure they have a monopoly.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd8559b4bd7c8e5641e0000Margaret,RTSat, 21 May 2011 20:15:23 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd8559b4bd7c8e5641e0000
I think somebody keeping you alive on life support is just as important as being operated on. Both can have good outcomes or bad outcomes. Obviously people don't know anything about life support.. Keep the feudal "doctors get all the credit and compensation" paradigm going. The medieval economic reality is almost here.
There are doctors that have no clue how to keep a patient alive on life support. Keep that in mind when you vote down people go to university for years to keep your family alive after an auto accident.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd84e7549e2ae594e0e0000makecapitalismhistorySat, 21 May 2011 19:44:53 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd84e7549e2ae594e0e0000
Sorry, but i think that the best doctors in the world arte coming from Switzerland and not the US. I think the US is ranked on rank 2, but that is no wonder if you look at the costs of the system.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd8471eccd1d51f44000000The Real JamesSat, 21 May 2011 19:13:34 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd8471eccd1d51f44000000
You are hiding behind legalese to protect your income stream. While understandable from your personal point of view it has been a disaster for the general public. I have no desire to break up your priesthood of condescension, only to get more affordable care.
If your training is so great then you will get paid the price you ask for. If it is overpriced, then you won't. It is the miracle of price discovery!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd8449c4bd7c8b347120000The Real JamesSat, 21 May 2011 19:02:52 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd8449c4bd7c8b347120000
About as well as getting treatment from graduate of the Texas school of medicine and deep fryer repiar?
Having received medical assistance in many a country (including the third world) I tend not to look at their place of origin as being a determent to care. Though I did know a texan Doctor, he was the dumbest and most racist person I have ever meet in my life.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd837304bd7c848321a0000sickSat, 21 May 2011 18:05:36 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd837304bd7c848321a0000
This list is actually sickening on its own.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd835e649e2ae0b1c0c0000dr feel goodSat, 21 May 2011 18:00:06 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd835e649e2ae0b1c0c0000
i dont have a problem with them coming here...... if i go to a surgeon and i see he is trained in Equador and has no training in the US, I am getting the hell out of there...... its like anything in life, you get what you pay for....... i could save money by letting my 6 year old daughter change my oil for me, but how do you think that will turn out?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd835cb4bd7c842320c0000jtSat, 21 May 2011 17:59:39 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd835cb4bd7c842320c0000
I work on wall street and make much more than any of those people on your list. I don't know how people only making 200s can make their bills. Most people I know with large families need at least 400 to 500 just to break even.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd832334bd7c8be26190000THSat, 21 May 2011 17:44:19 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd832334bd7c8be26190000
Umm, these really can't be right.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd831884bd7c8972a0b0000Engineers ROCK!Sat, 21 May 2011 17:41:28 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd831884bd7c8972a0b0000
Getting a BS in engineering and working in high-tech is the absolute highest pay for the amount of initial education and cost -- for a job that *makes* instead of *takes* at least.
Chemical, Electrical, Software are probably the big 3 for pay I think.
Civil and Mechanical are much lower pay - doesn't mean they aren't satisfying gigs.
Compare the pay of an engineer at Microsoft w/ a BS to a physician. Unless mommy & daddy footed the bill, the reward structure of being a physician is actually out of whack (low) for the time, energy and money it takes to get there.
When it gets worse (ObamaCare), the best & brightest will become VETERINARIANS (don't laugh, it's harder to get into vet school than med school).http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd82bdeccd1d5c80f0d0000know_nothingSat, 21 May 2011 17:17:18 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd82bdeccd1d5c80f0d0000
What's the source of the $100K insurance premium figure claim? Or you've graduated from Rush Limbaugh school of fact finding - pulling the facts from own fat ass?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd8270149e2aee107010000higestpayingSat, 21 May 2011 16:56:33 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd8270149e2aee107010000
the highest paying jobs:
wall st. trader
fund manager
web 2.0 founder/early investor
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According to some stories I've read, doctors in Cuba get paid only $200 per month. And the health of Cubans now is about as good as the health of Americans is. Which means that their doctors know what they are doing.
And these doctors probably would to agree to work in USA for a lot less money than US doctors get paid.
US education system for medicine is crap in terms of its cost. And USA would be a lot better off importing foreign educated doctors, instead wasting its resource on a very inefficient medical education system in USA.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd82511ccd1d50704200000corrSat, 21 May 2011 16:48:17 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd82511ccd1d50704200000
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The Real James: At least we have some standards here in the US. I have seen foreign medical grads who couldn't pass as a nurse. Yes, there are some great physicians from other countries, no doubt. How do you weed them out? Tests and standardized training.
Every LICENSED physician in this country needs to do a residency here. You need to pass some tests to get a residency. These standards should never be lowered. Otherwise, the only people that will benefit are the trial lawyers.
Get some tort reform, then bring in your FMGs without US training and vetting.. No one will be responsible, and patients will be scared to go see a FMG. It will bring down prices alright. Those of us with good training will have cash paying patients and a line out the door. I'm not worried about competition from FMGs. Just make sure they are qualified and are subject to the same scruitiny that we are. I needed everything short of a note from my kindergarden teacher and my mother for receiving a state medical license.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd80ec04bd7c87f6f0a0000The Real JamesSat, 21 May 2011 15:13:04 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd80ec04bd7c87f6f0a0000
Who said I wanted to be?
Why do you feel that your labor deserves protection that the rest of Americans do not receive?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd80e0c4bd7c8996d160000The Real JamesSat, 21 May 2011 15:10:04 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd80e0c4bd7c8996d160000
Let those doctors come here and compete. If you are so cocksure about your service you won't mind some vigorous competition?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd80d4c49e2aee94c010000dr feel goodSat, 21 May 2011 15:06:52 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd80d4c49e2aee94c010000
chill out man.... its not my fault you weren't smart enough to become a doctor....... We didnt 'luck' into this position... we worked our asses off.... stop being so bitter because you just realized you are not near as smart as you thought you werehttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd80ce14bd7c87971040000The Real JamesSat, 21 May 2011 15:05:05 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd80ce14bd7c87971040000
"We should never lower our standards."
????
Which county do you live in? This is America, the land of lowered expectations. Just go to Walmart sometime.
In all serious, you are being disingenuous about foreign medical practitioners being unable to pass to pass the boards. Many foreign doctors are barred simply by not admitting them to residency programs, not because of their lack of skill.
<a href="http://www.theworld.org/2011/04/foreign-trained-doctors-kept-out-of-practice-in-us/" target="_blank">http://www.theworld.org/2011/04/foreign-trained-doctors-kept-out-of-practice-in-us/</a>
(A slight digression, but the situation is even worse in the legal profession, foreign trained lawyers are outright banned from sitting for the bar unless they are from a ABA accredited program )
your enemy is the same as all labor, transnational capital. Unfortunately, the medical community sided with capital over labor in an effort to protect itself. It is understandable, but now the wolf it at your door.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd80c70cadcbbd6540e0000dr feel goodSat, 21 May 2011 15:03:12 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd80c70cadcbbd6540e0000
i am a doc in texas..... you want a foreign doc..... be my guest, head down to mexico. I am unlucky enough to handle all the trainwrecks that come from central and south america.... Good luck... You want it done right (with the protection of the law on your side)? Then pay what it costs.......http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd80af6ccd1d5a558080000Poorly paid Medical School ProfessorSat, 21 May 2011 14:56:54 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd80af6ccd1d5a558080000
The AVERAGE take home of all Goldman Sachs employees, including janitors secretaries, and security guards has topped $600,000 in some years.
As my surgeon father used to say, "we save lives, and they screw people for a living."
Among other things, I think of myself as making doctors for a living. I sleep just fine at night. MBS traders, maybe not so much, huh?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd802c8cadcbb8c45060000gas passerSat, 21 May 2011 14:22:00 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd802c8cadcbb8c45060000
Each patient that I take care of, whether for an operation or for a labor epidural, can sue me for $2 million dollars and destroy my reputation - whether or not I have done something wrong. There's a million lawyers lining up to take their case.
J Wilson: I'm headed in too. I will be waiting for the next person that is relying on my training and all of my hard work.
Foreign medical grads: They are no solution. Some are very well trained. Many are pathetic and will never be able to stand up to our already stringent licensing requirements. We should never lower our standards.
I wish that everyone would realize that it is hospitals, insurance companies, and pharma that is making all of the money in medicine. Why do drug reps get paid >$200k? This is where the outrage should be focused. Doctors do get paid "well", but we also shoulder alot of work and responsibility on a daily basis.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd8018249e2ae3337010000The Real JamesSat, 21 May 2011 14:16:34 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd8018249e2ae3337010000
Wonderful! Then I can count on your support for the abolishment of the AMA. Then Americans can choose based on quality AND price. I just hope this isn't bluster of the fake free market. I will remind you that GM used to say it made the best cars in the world, where are they now?
I am sorry to have caused such mental anguish to the the priestly class. How can I truly understand the mind of protected labor?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd80004ccd1d5464b040000Ted PaladinoSat, 21 May 2011 14:10:12 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd80004ccd1d5464b040000
Nick, You are probably the most uninformed person I have ever seen on the web. Likely a lazy lout who never furthered himself and now wallows with envy. ABSURDhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7ff3dcadcbbd63d0a0000J WilsonSat, 21 May 2011 14:06:53 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7ff3dcadcbbd63d0a0000
Bingo.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7fed649e2ae9e29230000J WilsonSat, 21 May 2011 14:05:10 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7fed649e2ae9e29230000
Firstly, America trains the best doctors in the world, that is unquestioned and not debatable. I would love to 'compete' w/ doctors trained in other countries, because it wouldn't be a fair fight. But if you want to go to them, go right on ahead. Secondly, I would love the healthcare market to be freed, where patients could come into clinics and pay fees like they do for any other business. Doctors would make more money and patients would pay less. However, that won't happen, a little industry called insurance has something against that.
I don't expect you or anyone else besides physicians to understand, it's impossible for you. You chose another career path, and that's fine. I have to go sleep in my hospital cot, my call starts up again in a few hours.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7fd1fccd1d59d411b0000Gas PasserSat, 21 May 2011 13:57:51 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7fd1fccd1d59d411b0000
There is alot of hatred out there for doctors and their pay. I think that people forget about the amount money and lost wages, and insane amounts of work that is involved with going to medical school. My medical school now costs $75k per year. That is $300k of debt that people are taking on, in addition to undergraduate loans. Additionally, doctors are not contributing to their retirement savings until they are in their mid 30's as well.
Many young doctors are nearly burned out by the time that they graduate from residency. What do they have to show for all of their work? A degree and a 300k in debt, and nooooo savings.
People want well trained doctors who make nothing in return. Give me a break. When you need an emergency operation in the middle of the night, be glad that you have a well paid physician who is there and ready to care for you. If you want to pay us like car mechanics, or other technicians, you will no longer receive the care that you demand.
Margaret RT: if you want to get paid, you need to have knowledge beyond that of a respiratory therapist. You are not trained as a physician, you do not have the responsibility of a physician, and you will not be paid like one.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7fbbfccd1d59d41090000The Real JamesSat, 21 May 2011 13:51:59 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7fbbfccd1d59d41090000
J Wilson, you represent protected labor, while the rest of us mere mortals have to live in the wilds of the free market. The working class has had to compete for almost 40 years against the equally qualified individuals from around the world. Now is the time for your introduction to it.
You represent a specialized branch of labor (YES, YOU ARE LABOR). Your labor is not divine or protected by the gods, thus you should compete with doctors from around the world for business. If you feel that your labor would be better spent working in a another field, please go ahead. There are other doctors form around the world that have similar certifications and qualifications.Please top using your citizenship and membership in a cabal to rip off the American people. Your sanctimony falls on deaf ears.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7faf34bd7c8fa4c210000MermaidSat, 21 May 2011 13:48:35 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7faf34bd7c8fa4c210000
I remember my dad's reaction when I told my parents I wanted to be a journalist: "So you want to be poor for the rest of your life?'
I have a dream job as a correspondent in Paris yet don't even half of the salaries listed above. Yup, should've listened to my parents and gone to law or med school.
Money was never my motivation... before I left that utopia and landed in real life.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7f870ccd1d5b33d0b0000J WilsonSat, 21 May 2011 13:37:52 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7f870ccd1d5b33d0b0000
Are these salaries really needed? If you want doctors, yes, in fact they should drastically increase. Doctors are discouraging their children to go into medicine because there is no financial incentive, in fact the financial outlook is a disincentive. Fewer and fewer people are going into medicine because the commitment to staying in school/apprenticeship until you're 31-35 years old, the commitment to being constantly stressed, is not rewarded. As a surgical resident, we have a saying, "Never stand when you can sit, never sit when you can lie down, eat when you can, sleep when you can, and don't fuck with a pancreas." In other words, we docs have a wonderful job, we love it, but we don't love being accused as robber barons when in reality we're paid like shit.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7f828ccd1d58f41020000The Real JamesSat, 21 May 2011 13:36:40 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7f828ccd1d58f41020000
You would be surprised by how many racist diatribes that U.S. doctors have against foreign doctors that will "tak r jubs!'
Let the free market decide, no?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7f5024bd7c84447030000J WilsonSat, 21 May 2011 13:23:14 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7f5024bd7c84447030000
The ridiculousness of your thinking is comical. I'll tell you what, go to college and major in molecular biology or biochemistry, earn a gpa of at least 3.7, take the MCAT, get accepted to medical school, go to medical school, take several board exams, go to residency, earn a fellowship, and then talk. And be prepared to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for said education. And be prepared to earn $40K/year in residency while working a minimum of 85hrs per week. And then talk.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7f11dcadcbbcc24070000The Real JamesSat, 21 May 2011 13:06:37 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7f11dcadcbbcc24070000
All the jobs (except for the ethereal 'Chief Executive') ARE PROTECTED LABOR. THE AMA and The Bar Association are allowed to jack up the prices because they ARTIFICIALLY raise prices for their members. Ask yourself why you are not allowed to have foreign doctors (with many of the same certifications) for a fraction of the price?
There should be no special classes of labor. EITHER LABOR PROTECTION FOR ALL OR FOR NONE.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7ee03ccd1d5522c0b0000Skepticus MaximusSat, 21 May 2011 12:53:23 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7ee03ccd1d5522c0b0000
These salaries are very reasonable, considering the number of years in school and level of work needed.
A surgeon, for example, practically starts in life at age 35.
SMhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7df15cadcbbd503080000B MacSat, 21 May 2011 11:49:41 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7df15cadcbbd503080000
You obviously have never seen the malpractice insurance premium for a specialist (esp. OB/Gyn) The biggest reason that doctors have to make so much money, is because they have to pay 100k just to insure themselves. If you think somebody is going to go through 8 years of postgraduate study, and spend most of their days with their hands up nasty chonches for 50 k a year, you are sadly mistaken.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7deb04bd7c8651e1d0000Here's what you need to knowSat, 21 May 2011 11:48:00 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7deb04bd7c8651e1d0000
I think you meant "Bollocks"http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7d9b249e2aeb35c170000makecapitalismhistorySat, 21 May 2011 11:26:42 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7d9b249e2aeb35c170000
Right, Obama is a puppet of the healthcare industry. Did i ever say that Obama isn't a capitalist ???http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7d6bcccd1d55103180000The ObammiecommieSat, 21 May 2011 11:14:04 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7d6bcccd1d55103180000
Obama just gave the insurance industry more of the nations wealth. Doctors get less and patients get less and the rest of us get priced out of affordable health insurance.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7d4d8cadcbb96780c0000It's worse than you thinkSat, 21 May 2011 11:06:00 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7d4d8cadcbb96780c0000
And the people who go to university for a medical education for years to learn how to take care of people on life support (which involves a LOT of critical thinking skills) don't get squat. What does that tell you about the system?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7d43e49e2aefa4e160000Margaret,RTSat, 21 May 2011 11:03:26 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7d43e49e2aefa4e160000
Notice the people who do the equally difficult and specialized job of taking care of people on life support --respiratory therapists--are not there?. That is very disturbing.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7d1b74bd7c8cd08280000makecapitalismhistorySat, 21 May 2011 10:52:39 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7d1b74bd7c8cd08280000
I'm not against doctors. The world would be much worse without them. I have much respect for their hard and important work, but are these salaries really needed ??? I don't think that a doctor has to earn so much to be a good doctor. Huge parts of that are because of the profit sucking private healthcare system. I don't blame the doctors, i blame the health insurance industry.
Point two is that most rich people don't work and are living on a capital income, which is not taken into account here. The gap is not as big as it is because of doctors.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7d0afccd1d53a7e000000NickSat, 21 May 2011 10:48:15 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd7d0afccd1d53a7e000000
It's no wonder that so many poor can't afford to pay for health-care in USA.
When the doctor is rich or expects to get rich from his work, then the poor can't afford to use his services.
Every country needs to have at least some doctors who are as poor as the patients are. So that the poor can afford to use their services. That's what you need, when you have private health-care. Or else health-care becomes unavailable for the poorest in society.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd6d254cadcbb1c4b050000JonFri, 20 May 2011 16:43:00 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/4dd6d254cadcbb1c4b050000
Bullocks