Bigdaddy2290 wrote:Dogs - this will be interesting, people cannot stay with their dogs on the truck (lower) deck but then that place is uncomfortable for people and dogs as it has no window and relies on fans so it is warm (not hot) and humid and smelly.

As I said before, the ferries we've been on were open so quite comfortable and airy for anyone wishing to sleep in their vehicles.

If a ferry costs $100 to run, and you have 100 paying customers, then you can charge $1.01 each and have a small profit of $1.00.

The same ferry costing $100 to run with 95 paying customers needs to charge $100/95 plus .o1 = 1.06 and will have a profit of only $.70

I did that with small numbers so that it is easy to see.

Every move that BC Ferries makes that discourages passengers, winds up having a big effect on the fare price. If you figure that 1/6 of BC Ferry passengers are smokers, by discouraging smokers they will drive their paying passenger numbers down. 16% of their passenger base are smokers. If the Soup Nazi no smoking area move discourages them, and I think it will, then that will drive up rates for everyone.

Lets assume that smokers on the Island decide to avoid the ferries whenever possible. So they cut their trips down by 25%. Then add in tourists that will choose other destinations where they don't have the BC Ferry hassle (say going to the resort in Osoyoos instead). Easy to get to 5% drop in paying passengers.

5% drop in paying passengers results in a requirement for at least a 6% increase in fares. Increase fares another 6% and the other 84% of ferry users start to think twice about their number of trips. Tourists look at the price, and a few more bail to other destinations. That could easily throw another 3% decline into the mix, once again requiring a further 4% fare increase.

I've always been ashamed of Canadians who act like a flock of sheep. Everything our governments and corporations throw at us that takes away our freedoms needs to be addressed, not simply accepted as something we have no control over. One by one, our civil rights are being ripped away, and what does John Q. Public do? Just shrug and say, "Oh well, what must be must be".

When are we going to grow a collective backbone and stand up to these bullies?

Cactusflower wrote:I've always been ashamed of Canadians who act like a flock of sheep. Everything our governments and corporations throw at us that takes away our freedoms needs to be addressed, not simply accepted as something we have no control over. One by one, our civil rights are being ripped away, and what does John Q. Public do? Just shrug and say, "Oh well, what must be must be".

When are we going to grow a collective backbone and stand up to these bullies?

I think all of this is a political agenda of sorts, we see smokers being blamed for much of our wildfire season as well.

These smokers sure are powerful that TPTB want to snuff them out....meanwhile giving heroin to the drug addicts because they really care about everyone's health.

All a bunch of BS.

Smokers are now treated like any other subjugated group. We have all been conditioned to think of smokers as second class undeserving citizens.

Cigarettes are one of the highest taxed products in this country.

They pushed smokers out of everything starting with restaurants, then pubs, aeroplanes, shopping malls, then to the outdoors, parks, sidewalks etc. now ferries.

Meanwhile they spray our skies full to overflowing with toxic heavy metals, same stuff in cigarettes.

All is one massive operation of control.

Who REALLY believes that TPTB care about any ones health in the least?

When was the last fire caused on a ferry by a smoker?

Insurance my thumb!

All the evil smokers burning down the province of BC too.... man what evil, dispose of and impose upon smokers, they don't deserve the same rights as we do...the smokers are killing us!!! Look up in the sky idiots - the military is slow killing us with chemicals all the live long day!

This world is run by evil - as pure as it gets.

RIGHTS? what rights?

Who is the problem? all of you that shout out for the government to create more laws, more restrictions, more baby sitting, more control....what in the name of God is wrong with SO many of you?!

This is not just about no longer smoking on ferries, but its much more than that, much deeper than that.

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Osoyoos_Familyof4 wrote:I've been on the top deck of the ferry with smokers and you can absolutely smell it, and you have to walk through it. Also, it was windy and their ashes were flying around, in my eye even.

And I am no more opposed to marijuana than I am to cigarettes, they both stink! You wanna vape, I'm okay with both.

really? their ashes were flying around and got in your eye: I absolutely do not believe that ;; I don't smoke ;; I believe in no smoking in ALL closed areas for sure but in designated areas on a open part of a ferry deck ?? now that's just crazy and plain wrong

Because_They_Lie wrote:I think all of this is a political agenda of sorts, we see smokers being blamed for much of our wildfire season as well.

These smokers sure are powerful that TPTB The Powers That Be?? Really - Another PCT in this contextwant to snuff them out....meanwhile giving heroin to the drug addicts because they really care about everyone's health.

All a bunch of BS.

Smokers are now treated like any other subjugated group. We have all been conditioned to think of smokers as second class undeserving citizens. As well they should be in today's world

Cigarettes are one of the highest taxed products in this country. Tax on it is still way too low

They pushed smokers out of everything starting with restaurants, then pubs, aeroplanes, shopping malls, then to the outdoors, parks, sidewalks etc. now ferries. As they should be

Meanwhile they spray our skies full to overflowing with toxic heavy metals, same stuff in cigarettes. PCT (Paranoid Conspiracy theory - No proof only conjecture)

All is one massive operation of control. Not working is it? - Just another PCT

Who REALLY believes that TPTB care about any ones health in the least?

When was the last fire caused on a ferry by a smoker?

Insurance my thumb!

All the evil smokers burning down the province of BC too.... man what evil, dispose of and impose upon smokers, they don't deserve the same rights as we do...the smokers are killing us!!! Look up in the sky idiots - the military is slow killing us with chemicals all the live long day! Again - PCT

This world is run by evil - as pure as it gets.

RIGHTS? what rights?

Who is the problem? all of you that shout out for the government to create more laws, more restrictions, more baby sitting, more control....what in the name of God is wrong with SO many of you?!

This is not just about no longer smoking on ferries, but its much more than that, much deeper than that.

(Edited to clarify an internet shorthand that means nothing with out context)

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