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Re: General Football Debates!

Originally Posted by Escorpiius

Congrats & good luck to Pep.

Though, I hope that he'll settle into a club's legacy someday. This decision to go to Bayern wasn't ruled by money, making him not a mercenary. However, since it's 3 years, I get a feeling he'll move somewhere else in 3 years. And given how passionate and loyal he is to his work, I feel that someday he should settle in a club for most time like SAF or Wenger.

Exactly. And back off from De Gea

What's funny is that Ibra used to score and have slow work-rate and willingness to work in Barca's system but most Barca fans rejected him. Now, you've got Sanchez who, despite poor finishing, runs tirelessly up front and keep fitting in the system but you still hate him? I guess, it's a bit over-demanding at Barca but oh well, it's your way... Just quickly on Sanchez, I like him as a player. I see him a mini-Chicharito with less deadly finishing but better dribbling skills. I don't have deep regrets that United lost to lure Sanchez compared to Barca but I think he would have been more welcomed and perhaps successful in United, than Barca.

Iniesta wasn't called up for the recent friendly but frankly, I love the idea of a Catalonia National Team. First, as you said, it's a good team with Valdes, Puyol, Pique, Alba, Rodriguez, Capdevilla, Xavi, Fabregas, Busquets, Bojan, Tello, Cuenca and many youngsters at La Masia.

To me, it's a win-win situation; even if the defence of Spain without Pique/Alba/Puyol/Busquets will take a serious knock. But still, I'm for it. Spain's midfield will still remain world-class and fearsome; even without Fab/Xavi/Busquets. Goalkeeping wouldn't be an issue either. Casillas would still be there and De Gea will take the flagship in 3-5 years.

Pep choose the right club, but did you hear? Rumours have it he's interested in Suarez lol

I honestly believe Pep is taking over United after Bayern thats if he doesn't fall in love there. Despite all the PL clubs that wanted him he still never went to any. SAF and him have met a few times this season, its obvious they didn't just sit to have a cup of tea...I guess we don't know what will happen just speculation. Bayern has the right foundation and great academy his duel with Klopp and Dortmund will be a joy to watch.

lol United are giving De Gea trouble it seems he still can't punch the ball just right, but fantastic shot stopper. Either way I heard Barcelona may opt for Reina? Like WTF!

Ibra had a lot more to do with than just being lazy, his overall characteristics and attitude played part. There are still a few people who like Ibra however. I don't hate Sanchez, and most the booing recently has come from simply him telling the press how he will be much better/etc, but yet has missed many chances. I personally wouldn't go to the extent of booing him, but his performance has been woeful and if you've seen some of his chances that he missed, you'd ask yourself, how he did that.

Those are just some of his bad misses over the time this year and those happen in a row. The fans will get frustrated, especially after that draw and the missed chance could've won us the game. The move for him to United? You never know, he's 23, so I still hold patience for him, just eager to get another CL under our belt and the way we are going, we can dominated Liga, but will have plenty of trouble/struggle in Europe.

I agree with Spain/Catalonia many maybe given a chance and Catalonia seems deadly as well. Spain would have a weaker defence compared to Catalonia, mid would be equal and Spain would have the better offence.

It won't happen tho. Catalonia being on its own would take a long time establish and Spain are going to hold on tight to them. Despite the past between them, perhaps independence will be given, but they'll remain a part of Spain.

Re: General Football Debates!

Originally Posted by ReLax -

Pep choose the right club, but did you hear? Rumours have it he's interested in Suarez lol

I honestly believe Pep is taking over United after Bayern thats if he doesn't fall in love there. Despite all the PL clubs that wanted him he still never went to any. SAF and him have met a few times this season, its obvious they didn't just sit to have a cup of tea...I guess we don't know what will happen just speculation. Bayern has the right foundation and great academy his duel with Klopp and Dortmund will be a joy to watch.

lol United are giving De Gea trouble it seems he still can't punch the ball just right, but fantastic shot stopper. Either way I heard Barcelona may opt for Reina? Like WTF!

Ibra had a lot more to do with than just being lazy, his overall characteristics and attitude played part. There are still a few people who like Ibra however. I don't hate Sanchez, and most the booing recently has come from simply him telling the press how he will be much better/etc, but yet has missed many chances. I personally wouldn't go to the extent of booing him, but his performance has been woeful and if you've seen some of his chances that he missed, you'd ask yourself, how he did that.

Those are just some of his bad misses over the time this year and those happen in a row. The fans will get frustrated, especially after that draw and the missed chance could've won us the game. The move for him to United? You never know, he's 23, so I still hold patience for him, just eager to get another CL under our belt and the way we are going, we can dominated Liga, but will have plenty of trouble/struggle in Europe.

I agree with Spain/Catalonia many maybe given a chance and Catalonia seems deadly as well. Spain would have a weaker defence compared to Catalonia, mid would be equal and Spain would have the better offence.

It won't happen tho. Catalonia being on its own would take a long time establish and Spain are going to hold on tight to them. Despite the past between them, perhaps independence will be given, but they'll remain a part of Spain.

I always said that Suarez is too good for Liverpool.

Well, he had wine with Mou & tea with Pep, that's what I know Jokes apart, it doesn't sound bad to do 3 years at Bayern, then after Fergie retires in 3 years, he takes over. But for that, as you said, he needs not to fall in love with the beer and yes, he needs to be successful, otherwise, his stock will drop. Klopp v/s Pep would be awesome. Klopp, Conte, Pep ect... are great crop of coaches to succeed to the older classes.

Give D.Alves a pair of gloves. If he dives like how he does when the opponent shoots, he'll stop 2-3 shots surely

For me, Ibra's stats at Barca were always good enough. If he didn't succeed there, then I do think, it's mostly his incompatibility in Barca' philosophy and gameplan. As for Sanchez, well, he did score 2 goals in one of the match that he missed the open net, didn't he? He's not so bad, though, I guess, Messi's goals are covering his flaws.

No, mid won't be equal. Spain's mid will remain highly superior in my eyes. But I do hope, that despite its improbability, that it do happens. If not, for WC 2014, then perhaps Euro2016 or WC2018. Though, by 2016-18, Xavi/Valdes/Puyol/Capdevilla ect... would be beyond their twilight years.

Re: General Football Debates!

Sanchez : I guess I'm the only one who thinks Sanchez does what his supposed to do ''get past opposition man on the side and unbalance the defensive setup'' In fifa 13 I start with Sanzhez, Messi, Pedro with Villa and Neymar on the bench.

If Sanchez would've score regularly what would be the scores ? They already finish every second game 5 - ... it's not like with Torres who can't get near the box and when he does he surely misses.. and they are holders of UCL? it's a joke.

Pep : I would root for Bayern in a final over everyone except Barcelona. But this final would be best in history. I got that idea from bleacherreport.com

Pep vs. Tito

FCB vs. FCB

Tiki Taka

How great would that be? Only that Tito has what Pep have created...

quotes:

"Catalunya is your homeland. The Camp Nou is your home. We understand that you need to leave. Just promise us that you will eventually find your way home"

"In a way, it could be seen that Bayern Munich got just a bit of payback on Abramovich and Chelsea for that Champions League final loss last year. Just saying."

I still hope that one day, Pep will find his way back home.

On behalf of all Culés, good luck at FC Bayern Munich, Pep. We still love you, and will continue to support you.

We wish you the best and much success in the Bundesliga and in the Champions League.

Re: General Football Debates!

Originally Posted by Grim

Sanchez : I guess I'm the only one who thinks Sanchez does what his supposed to do ''get past opposition man on the side and unbalance the defensive setup'' In fifa 13 I start with Sanzhez, Messi, Pedro with Villa and Neymar on the bench.

If Sanchez would've score regularly what would be the scores ? They already finish every second game 5 - ... it's not like with Torres who can't get near the box and when he does he surely misses.. and they are holders of UCL? it's a joke.

Pep : I would root for Bayern in a final over everyone except Barcelona. But this final would be best in history. I got that idea from bleacherreport.com

Pep vs. Tito

FCB vs. FCB

Tiki Taka

How great would that be? Only that Tito has what Pep have created...

quotes:

You're mildly correct but I do understand ReLax's point of view too. You may have score all the time by 5 goals or something. But what if Messi can't deliver the goods? What if he flops like against Chelsea last season in 2 match? What many fans wants is that Sanchez, Pedro, Villa, Fabregas all delivers when Messi do have an off-day. Over-reliance can be costly; even if you're reliant on the best player on the planet.

But yeah, Sanchez is much much better than Torres. I def. support you on that.

Re: General Football Debates!

Originally Posted by Escorpiius

You're mildly correct but I do understand ReLax's point of view too. You may have score all the time by 5 goals or something. But what if Messi can't deliver the goods? What if he flops like against Chelsea last season in 2 match? What many fans wants is that Sanchez, Pedro, Villa, Fabregas all delivers when Messi do have an off-day. Over-reliance can be costly; even if you're reliant on the best player on the planet.

But yeah, Sanchez is much much better than Torres. I def. support you on that.

well...mmidfield scorer regularly and as we saw in match vs Atl.Madrid even defenders do it with class I would skip Villa but Pedro is the man that should be in starting 11

PS. EPIC pic, I do agree they need to find replacement for Robben... Pedro maybe :D I love that guy so much everytime I order a pizza I give my name as ''Pedro''

Re: General Football Debates!

Originally Posted by Escorpiius

I always said that Suarez is too good for Liverpool.

Well, he had wine with Mou & tea with Pep, that's what I know Jokes apart, it doesn't sound bad to do 3 years at Bayern, then after Fergie retires in 3 years, he takes over. But for that, as you said, he needs not to fall in love with the beer and yes, he needs to be successful, otherwise, his stock will drop. Klopp v/s Pep would be awesome. Klopp, Conte, Pep ect... are great crop of coaches to succeed to the older classes.

Give D.Alves a pair of gloves. If he dives like how he does when the opponent shoots, he'll stop 2-3 shots surely

For me, Ibra's stats at Barca were always good enough. If he didn't succeed there, then I do think, it's mostly his incompatibility in Barca' philosophy and gameplan. As for Sanchez, well, he did score 2 goals in one of the match that he missed the open net, didn't he? He's not so bad, though, I guess, Messi's goals are covering his flaws.

No, mid won't be equal. Spain's mid will remain highly superior in my eyes. But I do hope, that despite its improbability, that it do happens. If not, for WC 2014, then perhaps Euro2016 or WC2018. Though, by 2016-18, Xavi/Valdes/Puyol/Capdevilla ect... would be beyond their twilight years.

lol if he goes...Liverpool are back at the bottom.

They are good crop of coaches, but in todays time a lot of clubs are way too demanding other than perhaps United/Arsenal. Arsenal for obvious reasons and after SAF retires I can see the demands will be high for the next coach at United.

The ball would hurt Alves...come on now lol

Ibra had good stats, it was due to him not being able to connect to the system as well as his attitude in general. I mean Messi played well with Henry/Eto'o in 08/09, Henry 26 goals, Eto'o 36, and Messi 38. Eto'o didn't get a long with Pep and had problems in the back even Messi tried to convince Pep on letting Eto'o stay. As much as anyway may fuss over Alves/Busquets/Pedro for their dives, but Barcelona teaches respect/humility. Balotelli was there once too, but they got rid of him for obvious reason, as did Ibra. Even Brazilian Ronaldo. I mean his was to do more with contract, but did you know when he was 18-19 he was caught by they guard having sex in the locker room (with two girls) lol Dinho as well Barcelona could've kept him, but they didn't like his partying, late nights, etc and didn't want it to rub off on Messi who was great friends with him. Ibra didn't suit that, he complain, moans and demands thing. He even got mad at Messi/Xavi/Inesita because they listen to Pep...his words, ‘Messi, Xavi and Iniesta always obeyed without protest. They were like schoolboys. I am not like that. I couldn’t be myself.’ Purchasing Ibra was one of Pep biggest mistake the player we gave Eto'o and cash for him wasn't worth it. I mean hell Barcelona even rejected Mou who actually wanted the job because of the way he is. They asked him to change his way in the media, but he didn't want too and they appointed Pep.

Yes, he did score two. At the bottom you pretty much highlighted it, its more of counting on those players to show up on days Messi doesn't. I mean honestly he probably has 4-6 bad games out of the 50 played. Chelsea/Madrid final Clasico were a result they learned to shut him down as fatigue also kicked in for him, if I'm not mistaken I think he did assist two goals in those 3 back to back fixtures.

I mean to come to think of it in the long run yes, as they would have the better bench, but when i said it would be equal I was merely speaking of the starting line up.

Re: General Football Debates!

Originally Posted by ReLax -

lol if he goes...Liverpool are back at the bottom.

They are good crop of coaches, but in todays time a lot of clubs are way too demanding other than perhaps United/Arsenal. Arsenal for obvious reasons and after SAF retires I can see the demands will be high for the next coach at United.

The ball would hurt Alves...come on now lol

Ibra had good stats, it was due to him not being able to connect to the system as well as his attitude in general. I mean Messi played well with Henry/Eto'o in 08/09, Henry 26 goals, Eto'o 36, and Messi 38. Eto'o didn't get a long with Pep and had problems in the back even Messi tried to convince Pep on letting Eto'o stay. As much as anyway may fuss over Alves/Busquets/Pedro for their dives, but Barcelona teaches respect/humility. Balotelli was there once too, but they got rid of him for obvious reason, as did Ibra. Even Brazilian Ronaldo. I mean his was to do more with contract, but did you know when he was 18-19 he was caught by they guard having sex in the locker room (with two girls) lol Dinho as well Barcelona could've kept him, but they didn't like his partying, late nights, etc and didn't want it to rub off on Messi who was great friends with him. Ibra didn't suit that, he complain, moans and demands thing. He even got mad at Messi/Xavi/Inesita because they listen to Pep...his words, ‘Messi, Xavi and Iniesta always obeyed without protest. They were like schoolboys. I am not like that. I couldn’t be myself.’ Purchasing Ibra was one of Pep biggest mistake the player we gave Eto'o and cash for him wasn't worth it. I mean hell Barcelona even rejected Mou who actually wanted the job because of the way he is. They asked him to change his way in the media, but he didn't want too and they appointed Pep.

Yes, he did score two. At the bottom you pretty much highlighted it, its more of counting on those players to show up on days Messi doesn't. I mean honestly he probably has 4-6 bad games out of the 50 played. Chelsea/Madrid final Clasico were a result they learned to shut him down as fatigue also kicked in for him, if I'm not mistaken I think he did assist two goals in those 3 back to back fixtures.

I mean to come to think of it in the long run yes, as they would have the better bench, but when i said it would be equal I was merely speaking of the starting line up.

Xavi/Busi/Fabregas

VS

Iniesta/Alonso/ either Mata/Silva/Cazorla

Pique and Shakira also welcomes a baby boy. They named him Milan lol

I'll light some crackers then

Well, I think we could add Milan & Dortmund to that; along with United & Arsenal. Milan have really been strong-willed with Allegri. Personally, I would have sacked him by now. And I like how Klopp' rise slowly with club' backing. Speaking of backing, I think that's gonna be the sole challenge for Pep at Bayern Munich. He's going to fantastic club with great history, success, philosophy, stadium, fans, finance & even players. But Bayern is a club deeply connected with its legends like Gerd Müller, Franz Beckenbauer, Paul Breitner, Mehmet Scholl, Lothar Matthäus, Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, Giovane Elber, Oliver Kahn, Stefan Effenberg and so on...Most of them have more than just their say on how the team functions and plays and is managed. Pep will surely come there to instill his football culture. Hopefully, there isn't an ego clash.

On a probability of 0.000001 %, he'll do an outstanding Scorpion save if he dives downwards successfully like he often does. Or perhaps, he'll hurt himself on the other probability. Imagine Alves with Cech-like helmet.

My only issue was that with Ronaldinho and Eto'o, Barca's way of getting rid of them wasn't right. These are 2 players who contributed a lot to that club. Should have been treated as legends with much honorable farewell...

Luckily, Messi doesn't get injured anymore. Even his knock in that CL match wasn't serious. But I get a feeling that all teams in CL are gonna treat Messi pretty roughly henceforth. Which, obviously, shouldn't come as a surprise.

Well, yeah, if you count starting line-up but that being said, Spain will mostly play with 5 midfielders and 1 false 9.
While Catalonia would more tend to be 3 mid, 1 false 9 & two attacking wingers in Tello/Cuenca/Bojan. So, Spain's mid will remain nearly unmatched. Especially, when you count the fact that those 5 midfielders will consist of likes like Alonso, Iniesta, Silva, Cazorla, Mata, Isco, Michu, Martinez ect...

Re: General Football Debates!

Originally Posted by Escorpiius

I'll light some crackers then

Well, I think we could add Milan & Dortmund to that; along with United & Arsenal. Milan have really been strong-willed with Allegri. Personally, I would have sacked him by now. And I like how Klopp' rise slowly with club' backing. Speaking of backing, I think that's gonna be the sole challenge for Pep at Bayern Munich. He's going to fantastic club with great history, success, philosophy, stadium, fans, finance & even players. But Bayern is a club deeply connected with its legends like Gerd Müller, Franz Beckenbauer, Paul Breitner, Mehmet Scholl, Lothar Matthäus, Karl-Heinz Rummenigge, Giovane Elber, Oliver Kahn, Stefan Effenberg and so on...Most of them have more than just their say on how the team functions and plays and is managed. Pep will surely come there to instill his football culture. Hopefully, there isn't an ego clash.

On a probability of 0.000001 %, he'll do an outstanding Scorpion save if he dives downwards successfully like he often does. Or perhaps, he'll hurt himself on the other probability. Imagine Alves with Cech-like helmet.

My only issue was that with Ronaldinho and Eto'o, Barca's way of getting rid of them wasn't right. These are 2 players who contributed a lot to that club. Should have been treated as legends with much honorable farewell...

Luckily, Messi doesn't get injured anymore. Even his knock in that CL match wasn't serious. But I get a feeling that all teams in CL are gonna treat Messi pretty roughly henceforth. Which, obviously, shouldn't come as a surprise.

Well, yeah, if you count starting line-up but that being said, Spain will mostly play with 5 midfielders and 1 false 9.
While Catalonia would more tend to be 3 mid, 1 false 9 & two attacking wingers in Tello/Cuenca/Bojan. So, Spain's mid will remain nearly unmatched. Especially, when you count the fact that those 5 midfielders will consist of likes like Alonso, Iniesta, Silva, Cazorla, Mata, Isco, Michu, Martinez ect...

Thats Pep challenge. Bayern have gone through 9 managers in the 13 years time frame, and him being an outsider won't be as easy as many think. Tho it'll be funny what he does with Robben lol Milan don't have the money now and Allegri isn't doing too bad. The only person Milan would change Allegri for was Pep. As Klopp he's doing well and under him Dortmund became this big, but the club has yet to reach the elite level of European football.

Cech helmet...lol that'd be something to watch.

I don't think many fans did like it, but thats the way the two big Spanish clubs are, Madrid did it with VdB, Zidane, Pellegrini, and Valdano. Eto'o was a great finisher and in my eye slightly better than Ibra. Dinho was magic overall, but as we saw his Milan performance, it would've been a waste of time with him. Maybe Pep could've gotten the most out of him, but I guess he anted to give Iniesta, Dinho role.

Indeed. The reason why I want to see Sanchez/Pedro/Fabregas scoring more often. Even if Villa comes back and gets more time I would love to count on him.

Yup that'd be a dangerous midfield. I still think Catalonia can put up a good fight the current side that is. Xavi/Busi/Fabregas would be key as our defence as well.

Re: General Football Debates!

Well it'll be there 5th and 6th meeting in slightly more than a year.

The kid did over react, but either way it wasn't right what Hazard did and I'm sure he did have force in the kick, which did touch the kid and him being 17 years old isn't going to help Hazard. It'll die down tho.