Quote:And you may also, for some reason, doubt that Jesus was crucified on a cross, even though that was the standard Roman execution for common criminals?

Not true, Crucifixion wasn't for common criminals, but rather for Insurrectionists of the Roman State. It was a punishment made to humiliate, and to be made an example of.

We actually talked about this in the TTA Skypecast episode 6.

Not to mention that Jesus (Yeshua) would have never really gotten a trial anyways.

Plus, Jesus wasn't hung with two ROBBERS. Robbers was a mistranslation, the real, accurate word in Greek meant Insurrectionists. Crucifixion was a an extreme punishment. This is even highlighted in the Bible, as he got flogged before he before crucified, which is rare.

He most likely got flogged (if he even existed) as the punishment, but then later on got crucified. Again, this is assuming the Bible is accurate.

Sorry to nitpick.

There was no trial.
No Jew was EVER, (not once) tried on Passover weekend. It never happened.
During the Pax Romana, troublemakers were executed, by the thousands, with no trial, by standing order. If there was a Jebus, (and there probably wasn't), he had no trial as a Galilean peasant, in front of Roman aristocrats. No one would have been allowed into a trial witness it. The gospels can't even agree at what time, and on what day he died. In some they say he is silent. In John he gives a long speech. They are totally unreliable, and non-historical. There are countless unanswerable questions about why, if he was tried, when he "rose", no one was concerned, or went to look for him. What happened to all the other zombies ? In Acts, both the Romans and the Jews have no clue what Peter is even talking about, when he talks about a person they "killed". Then Peter makes up some shit about ... well see below. It's NOT what you think. Carrier does a great job ripping apart Acts. They made it all up. The gospels are elaborately constructed chiasmic myths, done perfectly according to classical mythological construction, as Carrier has demonstrated.

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Insufferable know-it-all.
Those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music - Friedrich Nietzsche

(18-06-2013 05:55 PM)Atothetheist Wrote: Not true, Crucifixion wasn't for common criminals, but rather for Insurrectionists of the Roman State. It was a punishment made to humiliate, and to be made an example of.

We actually talked about this in the TTA Skypecast episode 6.

Not to mention that Jesus (Yeshua) would have never really gotten a trial anyways.

Plus, Jesus wasn't hung with two ROBBERS. Robbers was a mistranslation, the real, accurate word in Greek meant Insurrectionists. Crucifixion was a an extreme punishment. This is even highlighted in the Bible, as he got flogged before he before crucified, which is rare.

He most likely got flogged (if he even existed) as the punishment, but then later on got crucified. Again, this is assuming the Bible is accurate.

Sorry to nitpick.

There was no trial.
No Jew was EVER, (not once) tried on Passover weekend. It never happened.
During the Pax Romana, troublemakers were executed, by the thousands, with no trial, by standing order. If there was a Jebus, (and there probably wasn't), he had no trial as a Galilean peasant, in front of Roman aristocrats. No one would have been allowed into a trail witness it. The gospels can't even agree at what time, and on what day he died. In some they say he is silent. In John he gives a long speech. They are totally unreliable, and non-historical. There are countless unanswerable questions about why, if he was tried, when he "rose", no one was concerned, or went to look for him. What happened to all the other zombies ? In Acts, both the Romans and the Jews have no clue what Peter is even talking about, when he talks about a person the "killed". Then Peter makes up some shit about ... well see below. It's NOT what you think. Carrier does a great job ripping apart Acts. They made it all up. The gospels are elaborately constructed chiasmic myths, done perfectly according to classical mythological construction, as Carrier has demonstrated.

(18-06-2013 06:40 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote: There was no trial.
No Jew was EVER, (not once) tried on Passover weekend. It never happened.
During the Pax Romana, troublemakers were executed, by the thousands, with no trial, by standing order. If there was a Jebus, (and there probably wasn't), he had no trial as a Galilean peasant, in front of Roman aristocrats. No one would have been allowed into a trail witness it. The gospels can't even agree at what time, and on what day he died. In some they say he is silent. In John he gives a long speech. They are totally unreliable, and non-historical. There are countless unanswerable questions about why, if he was tried, when he "rose", no one was concerned, or went to look for him. What happened to all the other zombies ? In Acts, both the Romans and the Jews have no clue what Peter is even talking about, when he talks about a person the "killed". Then Peter makes up some shit about ... well see below. It's NOT what you think. Carrier does a great job ripping apart Acts. They made it all up. The gospels are elaborately constructed chiasmic myths, done perfectly according to classical mythological construction, as Carrier has demonstrated.

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I said there would have been no trial.

I was just supporting what you said.

Insufferable know-it-all.
Those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music - Friedrich Nietzsche