Would God Forgive The Devil

May seem like a really stupid question: Why doesn't the devil realize he is in a no win situation? Satan for sure realizes the prophesy of good overcoming evil will come true and God will win. Satan will be destroyed. So why doesn't he give in? Can he even repent? Would God even forgive the devil?

//"we" "I" do not want to lose someone, we are self-fish individuals//MarkV

And God doesnt? He is a jealous God. He wants our love. We dont want to lose those we love of course, but the Spirit brings a LOVE into our hearts for people that we dont even personally know.

Im astounded Mark at your definitions of true love. It is not "selfishness" to be concerned for the safety and well-being of others over ourselves. Its called the love of Jesus Christ. If we arent concerned with them but only our own salvation thru election then THAT my friend is selfishness. You are totally backwards.

Jesheradan, You demonstrate the kind of love you and I have. "we" "I" do not want to lose someone, we are self-fish individuals, and will suffer when we lose someone. God's love is pure. Love is His nature and it never changes. God is God, and if He wanted to save the whole world all He has to do is speak and it's done. But He did not designed the plan that way. He had a purpose in mind how it would plan out. Romans 8:29,30 tells us, "For whom He foreknew, He also foreordained to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren, and whom He foreordained, them He also called, and whom He called, them He also justified..," only those He called and were foreordained.

Mark, any child of God knows what his love is. The love of God is shed abroad in our hearts. This daily sorrow I feel for every unbelieving man, woman and child in this world was NOT there until I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior. It is something that the Holy Spirit brought into me. He wants every man, woman and child to accept this redemption in Jesus.

If Christ died for the sins of every man just as scripture declares then Gods "glorious justice" (WCF) has been shown in the death of Jesus Christ. He took our sins upon himself! The sin that sends people to hell is rejecting the one who has already "bought" them! (2 Peter 2:1)

Jasheradan-- I was not "offended" by the question that you did not ask me. But I couldn't help wondering why you would ask anyone that question. I knew it was to make a point, but I couldn't imagine what that point might be.

Jesheradan 2: I'm not God so I cannot see the whole picture. Where I deal with a few around me, God deals with every single individual, whether human or animal, whether storms or winds..etc. All is in the hands of Almighty God. So His love is very much different then mine and what I would do. It is after all His plan, and He is never mistaken on anything He decree and executes through His providence. The actions of God towards those people was an act of mercy and an act of love. God certainly has a right to visit judgment upon individuals and upon nations sunk in sin. The nations had become so corrupt that cancer had to be cut so that the rest of the body could live, humanity. It was love for humanity.

Jesheradan, I get where you are going. You want to compare my love or yours with that of God's. How far you are. God's love is not like mine or yours. I will give you an example of His love:In Deut. 20:16-17, God commanded the people of Israel:"But of the cities of these people, which the Lord thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, "thou shall save alive nothing that breatheth: but thou shalt utterly destroy them, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites , and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, as the Lord they God hath commanded thee"Sounds pretty horrible to me to kill man women and children but it was an act of love. My love would try to evangelize them instead of killing them.

Mark, I could just ask you a different question since apparently my other one offended not only you but Donna66 as well.

Does it break your heart to know that men are born into this world with a fallen nature (making it impossible to obey God) and they will never be given a chance at redemption? Do you feel any compassion for these people knowing they will burn in the fires of hell for eternity for simply being born into this world? If you do feel compassion (which is based in love) for them where do you think that LOVE comes from? satan? Come on now! Think!

Jesheradan, why would you post a question like that to me? I see many reasons you would do that, but one is that you want to find fault in me, by whatever answer I give you, since it does not pertain to the Word of God, but what I would do as a believer. Let me just answer you this way, so that you can understand, "Salvation is not mine to give to anyone, only God can save people." Maybe you do not want to hear that, but it is Truth.

I would like to think that anyone with the Spirit of Christ in them would hold that kind of love for a lost person. Jesus did. He gave his life away so that billions could be saved. Why does the question offend you so much when its not even directed AT you?

"Mark, ...God would never offer a helping hand to those who inherited a nature through no fault of their own?"

Do you not except the fact that God chose Adam as the representive for all mankind? "Who do you think He is saving?"

Those who inherited a sin nature through Adam, and chose to sin. He doesn't make them sin. They cannot do otherwise. They love it. They have no relationship with God in their hearts. They don't want one. Jesus said, "You are not willing to come to Me that you might have light"

What kind of question is that?... Would you give up your salvation if 10 people could be saved as a result?.

Would YOU? Are you trying to make some kind of point by asking? There have been some who said they would have been willing, i.e Moses and the Apostle Paul. But even GOD did NOT pose that question to them! Why would YOU ask? What is your purpose? Why should anyone feel obliged to answer?

Mark, and you believe our God who showed us the depth of the love of his heart in the person of Jesus Christ would never offer a helping hand to those who inherited a nature through no fault of their own?

Are you serious with this garbage!!?? Not even a sinner without Christ could do such a cruel thing!

Theres a difference between reading the words of scripture and thinking you know God and feeling the love of his Spirit inside of you.

Are you going to answer my question about giving up your salvation, Mark?

Jesheradan, you already know my reponse to that. God makes no one sin. They sinned because they made that choice to sin. But God knew they would because He is Omniscient, knowing all. God is not the author of sin, man and the devil are both had true free will, because neither had a sin nature, they were pure. Did God know when He created them they would sin? Of course, He is God, it would be silly to believe He doesn't know somethings. Only someone who doesn't know the God of the Bible would think that. God gave them the ability to make a choice knowing full well they would sin. Now all descendants of Adam are not pure, they are born with a sin nature, the reason their wills are not free as Adam and Lucifur were.

Satan the Atonement is only for people not angels. Satan nature is evil, the only way his nature could change is if God changed it. When Satan acts, his intentions are always bad, When God acts His intentions are always holy and just. Satan does not give in for the same reason that the lost don't give in even though "since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His ternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened."Some so call Christians don't give the glory to God either.

The question you have asked is really over-syllabus(beyond human living roles). But with my little knowledge i want to add that angels were made more perfect, swift, powerful more than men. Angelic lives are not flexible like men's own, fall today repent tomorrow(before death). Once an angel falls to the negative, no turning back.

I asked the same question at one time when i was younger. It almost seems to be a contradiction of the main lesson Christianity tries to teach,Forgiveness.But Lucifer was not the only angel to Rebel against God.The story of the Fall from Heaven was to teach the lesson that no one can overcome God, but it's not God who Punishes Lucifer or any sinner. Sinners punish themselves, Hell is a place or simply a state of mind that is inhabitted by Guilt, ridicule and selfishness. Learn through Lucifer's actions that Pride is the greatest sin, for pride is linked to every sin. Lucifer could be forgiven but it's god who is waiting patiently for is most prized angel to return to him...once Lucifer learns to swallow his pride and forgive himself.

Oh for goodness sakes, you people don't know anything! God hates the devil and the devil hates God. There is the "lake of fire" for Satan and that will forever, stand, along with his demons and all who follows him. God's plans, and we need to stop with all this nonsense.

IF satan did truly repent, I believe God in His infinite love would make a way to forgive him, just as he did for us.

I feel comfortable in saying that I believe the Lord had probably tried to reach his heart many a time before the day he turned against the Lord. Trying to usurp God from his throne was the final straw.

I wouldnt entertain thoughts of this nature for very long. Satan is a deceiver and would most certainly want you to think that he has indeed repented and God just wont forgive him. Hes very tricky like that.

Would you believe that satan still believes that he can defeat God. Satan is doomed. You know, there is good and evil in this world. There is hell and there is heaven. Satan does not understand anything about "good overcoming evil". Satan can not understand the things of God, for goodness sakes he is the devil. So why doesn't he give in? I have asked God this question a few times. He is the devil doing the work of he devil and you cannot make anything else out of him. But, his time will come, and God is going to place him in the "Lake of fire" right along with his demons or fallen angels and all lost people, for sure.

Satan gets his Power from the weakness of men's flesh, Man can make him powerful or weak by the act of submitting either to God or Carnality, Satan has already been Judged. As far as God is concerned he is already in the Pit. The two headed dragon in revelation represents the crushing of the head of the serpent by Jesus. He destroyed the world system of Religion controlled by Satan but False Doctrine gave life back to the Dragon.And revived the first Adam and the old man that was supposed to be dead. They gave power to the beast, by believing a lie, making an image of Jealousy in their minds and Satan lives by their rebellion.

God wills a good will that which Satan wills with an evil will. The same is in the case of the crucifixion of Christ, which was overuled for the redemption of the world. Satan thought he had won and what he did was great, but he only completed what was decreed by God from the foundation of the world that Jesus would be a sacrifice for sin. What God decreed and what Satan thought he had accomplished were two different purposes. Satan did for evil what God will for good. The same is the case with Jacob, what his brothers did for evil against him was overuled by God for the salvation of many. Yet their actions were evil in contend, but God will it for good.

Carla3939It was just the way you worded it. I wasn't quite sure what you meant >>>given orders from God satan tempted him, but could not touch his life... did he not?<<<But you clarified it. We agree on this.

I don't think I said God ordered satan or indeed that God needs satan but who knows satan has a long rein even until the end of the earth we unfortunately have only 3 score and 10 is that 70 years? of life on this earth plenty for some not enough for others, however anything after that is overtime.

I understand that satan has a job to do since God himself cannot be apart of evil but we chose our own destination and satan chose his outside of Gods will we enter his domain however Christ Job did not yet God allowed them to tempted of the devil! anyway satan cannot be forgiven he sins continually.

God said He will be merciful to whom He will be merciful (Romans 9:15). Therefore, He MIGHT decide to give Satan & the other demons a chance to repent. Before time started, God threw the rebellious angels out. Since time started, B.C. (an age) has passed, and much of A.D. (another age) has passed. Notice God did not keep the demons, including the Devil, in hell constantly. He gave them work to do. But the day will come when it is too late for people or angels to repent.

Carla, I believe that Satan has a role to play.Satan did choose to rebel against God but only rebels because he is permitted to by God. He is a created creature and not God Almighty. Satan does have a role to play in the plan of God or else he would not be in the plan. God does not make him tempt anyone but allows or permits him to do so, for if He so wanted He could distroy the enemy in a second. But doesn't. While Satan eagerly desires the destruction of the wicked and diligently works to bring it about, yet the destruction proceeds from God. For it is, in the first place, God who decrees that the wicked shall suffer, and Satan is merely permitted to lay the punishment upon them. The purposes of Satan are different then the purpose of God.

Carla 2 please post: God wills a good will that which Satan wills with an evil will. Donna is correct that, "God NEEDS nothing!. Satan would like nothing more than to think he is "needed" by God. But he's not nearly that important!"The same is the case with the crucifixion of Christ, which was overuled for the redemption of the world. Satan thought he had won and what he did was great, but he only completed what was decreed from the foundation of the world that Jesus would be a sacrifice for sin. What God decreed and what Satan thought he had accomplished were two different purposes. Satan did for evil what God will for good.Donna is correct, God in His nature is in need of nothing.

No one knows the mind of God neither can they think for him that's fine I.m just trying to make sense of Christ being tempted of the devil.

God cannot use evil to tempt anyone BUT satan can. we are all tested temptation is a tool of the devil and Job was tempted, given orders from God satan tempted him, but could not touch his life... did he not?

Carla, if we believe that God is in control and we should, it clearly shows that for Satan to do anything to any humans, it would have to be by permission only. If God did not want Satan to do anything bad, God could stop him from doing what he does for He is God Almighty. To even consider that Satan is on his own distroying whom he pleases without God permitting it, or allowing it, it would make Satan God Almighty. And God a spectator, not able to control him. Which is not possible at all. That he does bad things is for sure, but only by permission. And if God allows him to do what he does, it can only mean that God has a reason for allowing it to happen. It is under this view that Satan has a role to play in the plan of God.

>>>Satan has a job to do he chose to do it<<< Sorry to be so picky, but Satan has NO job and no legitimate purpose (supported by scripture) that I see. No doubt he chose to do what he does, in rebellion to God. Yours is an interesting theory...BUT, God does not want or need him to tempt anyone.

James 1: 13-1413 Let no one say when he is tempted, I am tempted by God, for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.

14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.

Angels are spirit beings created for praise and messaging. They are incapable of procreation, have no desire to marry and are not candidates for redemption. Lucifer's decision to rebel was permanent and as stated by MIMI and CYNTHIA unpardonable. Besides, his fate has already been sealed as spoken by God. The actions of Lucifer led to the murder of God's own son. There is no turning back and hell has been made for him.

Satan has already been judged angels do not partake of Gods grace they are without excuse His fate is prophesied from old and from revelation. Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!Isaiah 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.Isaiah 14:24 The LORD of hosts hath sworn, saying, Surely as I have thought, so shall it come to pass, and as I have purposed, so shall it stand:Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

THE DEVIL's FATE!This should be an example to those who claim to know so much about God. Jesus said because you say you see your, sin is upon you. Jesus did not come for those who do not want him, the self righteous and those that love religious doctrine more than the truth that comes by the Holy Ghost. Jesus said let the dead bury the dead meaning those dead in sin are already judged with Satan and will be thrown in the Lake of Fire if they do not Repent.

Surely Lucifer has had plenty of time to realize the error of his ways. He used to be an angel in Heaven & surely He's had proof all His existence of God's almighty power. Maybe by now he has asked for God's forgiveness & meant it. Lucifer used to serve God in Heaven & God would not only remember him as a devil, but as His former servant in Heaven. If Lucifer truly repents, God may forgive him. How could any of us humans say God would not forgive him, when we don't know. To us humans who repent,God said, "Though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be white as snow." That may be the case with God's fallen angels, including Lucifer.

favor is not the correct word. satan has a job to do he chose to do it. God allowed Christ,Job and us likewise to be tempted God knows the outcome but the process is of free will. We all have a choice whether it be to good or to do the works of evil.

John the Baptist(Matt 3:11-12) says JESUS does this, "but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

God NEEDS nothing!. Satan would like nothing more than to think he is "needed" by God. But he's not nearly that important!

I have met a fallen one. This is what it said and wanted me to believe: "There is no God". This is what I knew in my heart of hearts: The Spirit of Love is with me now, so I know you lie. Why did the fallen one lie? This is what I learned: because the fallen one wanted God dead in its burning desire of having Everything for itself, especially what was God's. Why was that bad? Because God's Love is in the Creation and Sustenance of Everything, and even the fallen one would cease to exist, along with Everything else, if it had its way in killing and replacing Love, not that it could, but its hatred blinded it to that fact. Effectively, a fallen one will forever deny itself Love in its refusal to submit to, and submit by, Loving.

There is no provisions for redeeming satan, or angels. Angels can not repent. Satan was God's most beautiful angel, and no angel sang like he could. He became jealous and wanted Gos's praise. Satan knows that he can't win, James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe thatand shudder. But, thats not the issue. Satan wants to take everyone with him to hell.Satan already knows what heaven looks like. He doesn't want us to see it.

Just think of satan as Pinhead(HellRaiser):p he is VOID of CARE, pure EVIL, FULL of HATE for GOD and YOU... Do you really see "Pinhead" asking for forgiveness :/I do Believe GOD would forgive satan...BUT! it IS written in the Bible, GODS WORD, that IS NOT to be so.satans deserves all he gets and more, so don't give him another thought. PEACE, HUGZ & LOVE :>

Life is not taken out of a book/movie. There are no two sides in life (good/evil).Evil is just a corruption of good.Lucifer is not a massive blob of pure concentrated evil. He is just an angel of god that lost his way and got greedy for power. I believe that god can forgive him if Satan asks for it. For Satan is the biggest sinner and god forgives all that have sinned. God loves Satan as much as he loves us. That is why he didn't destroy him in the beginning. It is a sin to kill one of god's children. Jesus states that if you hate someone you have murdered them in your mind .Love all, for god loves you.

How does this statement,"Because of the UNPARDONABLE sins of the Devil and the fallen angels that God kicked out of heaven, who are now demons, they can never repent, or ever be accepted into Heaven." agreed with the Scriptures-Jude 1:6," And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day." -- are the fallen angels demons or they chains under darkness?

The bible says "For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death." (2 Corinthians 7:10)

If it is posible that Satan can repent through Godly sorrow, then it is possible that God can forgive him. But from all that the bible says of him, it is uncharaceristic of Satan to repent. God ONLY forgives repentant sinners!

Satan, does not want forgiveness even if he could receive it, his mission is to steal,kill, and destroy, please don't waste time on the devil he knew exactly what he was doing when he got kicked out of heaven. Pray for someone who has a chance to enter into the kingdom. The answer is NO

The devil is evil. If good is to triumph over evil and there is no evil, what is the purpose behind knowing good. If no one knows the opposite of pain and suffereing, (evil) then how does one appreciate and value and want to do good. The devil has a purpose to fulfil. He is now fulfiling all prophecies of the Book of Revelation. The devil is incapable of repenting. The focus for the body of Christ is to keep their eyes on the Lord, not him.

It was Satan's choice to rise against God and he also knows that his punishment is just. Perhaps as our accuser God is showing him the error of his way through our example, we the believers who have no special powers, who have not even seen God, yet believe, and Lucifer, who had all the power of heaven at his finger tips, knowing full well that God is his Creator, yet thought he could become more powerful.

The answer is no. There is no redeemer for the Angels. not even Satan. Christ died on the Cross for our redeemption only. No where in the bible does it say that the angels are included in this redeemption. Their destiney has been set.

There is no redemption for Satan and his fallen angels. First of all Christ died for mankind. He entered our blood stream and became our kinsman redeemer. For this reason Christ died once for all mankind. If he were to save the angels that sinned, He would have to die for each and every angel. Jesus would also have to become an angel millions of times over and die for them.

Yes it is tragic, the most beautiful angel in heaven who had it all, and then foolishly lost it all. The devil realizes that he is the loser, he tried to take over God's throne and have himself to be worshipped, and he knows his judgment. He doesn't surrender because he is filled with narcissistic pride, which also makes it unlikely for him to humble himself to righten himself with God. Yes, God would forgive him, but scripture reveals that he never repents.

Satan knows his time is running short, he knows that he has to listen to God. Satan is trying his best to get as many souls to take to hell with him as he goes into the Lake of fire. Why would God forgive him? Satan has his chance, and he blew it. He can't repent, evil doesn't repent.

We only know about God and satan from what is written in the bible. It would be pure speculation and foolish to suggest a different outcome than what is prophesied.Psalm119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

My dear Sue: I believe satan knows all too well that his days are numbered. God will have nothing to do with evil and He kicked satan out of heaven only once and forever! The devil is pretty stupid though because he never gets the message about who the boss is. Just "keep your eyes upon Jesus, look full in His wonderful face and the things of this world will look strangely dim, in the light of His glory and grace"! Press forward!

I would say no for the following reason. 2nd Peter 2:2, "For God did not spare even the angels when they sinned; he threw them into hell, in gloomy caves and darkness until the judgement day". Then Isiah 14. Finally Ezekiel 28.

When we enter eternity, our fate is sealed. We are either saved (heaven) or not (hell). There are no second chances. Satan is in his state of eternal punishment. Who knows what was offered him when he first rebelled. Maybe at that time God offered him reconciliation and he refused (pure speculation) but clearly, God who knows the end from the beginning, has told us how it ends and Satan ends up in the pit. Forever.

Although it is rare, people involved in the occult, do repent and are baptized.

And if we could just recognize the small inroads of Satan in our own lives, perhaps we too would repent more often. Even horoscopes in the newspaper have been attributed to Satan. And for wasting time, Satan often gets the blame. How much victory do we need to let Satan have?

Absolutely. God would forgive. God's grace, compassion and mercy are infinite. However it is pure speculation whether Satan would ask for the forgiveness. Are you disappointed in this answer? Remember that it is not for us to judge whom God will or will not forgive.

there is no forgiveness for satan. He was a mighty angelic being. He saw God face to face. He walked among the fiery stones. He was perfect in wisdom and beauty. Great was his sin and rebellion before the Ancient of Days.

Yesterday is gone and tomorrow, when it gets here, will be today. As long as we are willing to live in the past or put the life of God off into the future, we lose out on the experience of Jesus today and all the devil cares about is that we don't enforce his defeat by living in the victory of Christ.

Sue, the devil is already defeated. He knows this better than some believers. He has no more power than the born again believer gives him since Jesus stripped him of all power. Even the power of a good lie is dispelled by the truth witnessed by the Holy Ghost in a humble seeking believer. The devil doesn't care what you believe as long as you believe it is in the future. At some point in time, "Today" must be "now".