By 9/11/2001 Lance had already come back from cancer and won 3 Tours. The environment for him to do as he pleased was already well established.

America didn't need Lance to make us feel better after 9/11. We had a different Texan for that

Can't disagree with your second point!

9/11/2001 is early in the story to be fair. He's "got away with it" and had the US public largely on his side for almost 11 years since 2001. The environment was established to a large degree in 2001 I agree, and reinforced by 9/11.

Refusing to participate in sensible / rational debate and in fact repeatedly obstructing and hijacking attepts by others to do this, is quite another.

This isn't just opinion; artray's posts speak ineloquently for themselves

Forum is a much better place without him.

So, we start banning people just for that? The despots are alive and well and living on Weightweenies. Wonder if there was a concerted little effort behind the scene to have him removed. I disagreed with just about everything he said, but I would never have stooped to this to have him removed.

Hein Verbruggen has admitted to giving cyclists advanced warning about upcoming out-of-competition doping controls and warning riders with suspicious blood values so they could either stop whatever it was they were doing or to give them sufficient time to get their levels under control-

My contention is the UCI decided to let Verbruggen throw himself underneath the bus, leaving everyone else intact and with no worries about having to abdicate their positions.

Any further problems presenting themselves going forward can be blamed on Verbruggen. What governing body is going to go after him? How can someone whose retired his position years ago be banned, sanctioned or terminated?

Yeah right. The last one to resign was Nixon. Any semblance of honor once called out, is long gone.

What I wanna know is: who votes those UCI clowns into office anyway? It aint the riders, that's for sure.And do not their terms of office seem way too long? UCI's very structure seems set up for corruption.

At what point did any one who actually administer the site ever confirm this?

We didn't.

There was a lot more going on, you're right. Not all of it reflected well on artray. But he's not alone amongst those walking a tightrope on here. And there are plenty of posts that were removed within short time of being posted (from multiple users).

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