Originally posted by Chadwickus
I dunno, but I have to ask why would they need to draw up a patent for creating swine flu in 2005 when the flu has been around since the 1900's.

This particular variation represents a "shift" in the virus. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that recombination of new varieties may
occur accidentally or intentionally at the research level.

Even though health officials are calling this new virus H1N1, that's also the type of virus that's in wide circulation today. And it has an
interesting history. It was the dominant flu virus through the 1920s, '30s and '40s. Oxford says it disappeared in 1957, when it was displaced by
another flu virus. But then a strain of H1N1 suddenly reappeared in 1977.

"Now where could it have come from?" he asks. "We reckon now, in retrospect, it was probably released accidentally from a laboratory,
probably in northern China or just across the border in Russia, because everyone was experimenting with those viruses at the time in the lab."

It was nothing malicious, Oxford believes, just some flu vaccine research that broke out of containment. The descendents of this virus are still
circulating. He notes that most people who have encountered the newly emerged H1N1 virus seem to have developed only mild disease, and he speculates
that's because we have all been exposed to a distant cousin, the H1N1 virus that emerged in the 1970s.

"That escaped virus perhaps will provide some benefit now in the face of this pig thing," Oxford says.

I have seen declassified official documents calling for the creation of a virus for which it just so happened that hiv fit the bill perfectly. I'm
sure a lot of folks here have seen the same...

I think it's time to come to the defense of Jane Burgermeister. I'd really thought she was a bit of a loon for a while there, but I think she had
the purview of the general shape of this "thing" from the get-go. It seems doubtful that "justice" will ever come round though given other high
profile mass murder events where those responsible have been allowed to continue to walk free among us.

"It is increasingly clear that WHO and Baxter are just elements in a much bigger criminal organisation that is moving forward in a synchronised and
coordinated way to fulfil the “elite” agenda of global population reduction in the coming months and years while putting in place a global
government of which WHO will be an arm.

WHO, a UN agency, appears to play a key role in coordinating the activities of labs, vaccine companies and governments to achieve the goal of
population reduction and political and economic take over of North America and Europe:

- First, WHO gives funds, support and cover to labs such as the CDC to bioprospect for pathogens, bioengineer them to make them more deadly, and also
patent them.

- Second, WHO gives those same deadly bioengineered pathogens to companies such as Baxter in Austria, so that Baxter could use those viruses to
deliberately, systematically contaminate vaccine material. If the contamination of the 72 kilos had not been detection on time by a lab technician in
the Czech Republic, millions of people would have caught the “bird flu” from the injections.

- Third, in the event of a pandemic, WHO orders a compulsory vaccines for all 194 countries, following “recommendations” by an advisory vaccine
group on which executives of Baxter also sit.

- Fourth, WHO awards Baxter, Novartis, Sanofi and other companies lucrative contracts to supply those vaccines.

Furthermore, WHO acquires new global authority on an unseen scale in the event of a pandemic.

Under special pandemic plans enacted around the world including the USA, in 2005, national governments are to be dissolved in the event of a pandemic
emergency and replaced by special crisis committees, which take charge of the health and security infrastructure of a country, and which are
answerable to the WHO and EU in Europe and to the WHO and UN in North America.

If the Model Emergency Health Powers Act is implemented on the instructions of WHI, it will be a criminal offence for Americans to refuse the vaccine.
Police are allowed to use deadly force against “criminal” suspects.

Through their control of these special pandemic crisis committees with the power to enact legislation to be set up most countries, the WHO, UN and EU
become the de facto government of a large part of the world.

Mass murder and death will also bring economic collapse and disruption, starvation and wars – and these events will lead to a further population
reduction.

To sum up: WHO helps create, distribute and then release the deadly pandemic virus, and this pandemic virus allows WHO to assume control of
governments in North America and Europe and also order forced vaccination on populations by the very same companies that have distributed and released
the deadly viruses in the first place and all under under the pretext of protecting populations from a pandemic they have created.

The corporate mainstream media owned by the same “elite” group which funds WHO is systematically concealing from the general public the nature of
the real danger of these H1N1 jabs by withholding from them key information concerning the interrelated activities of this group of organisations for
their mutual profit.

As a result, most people still believe that the H1N1 virus is a natural swine flu when even WHO has officially dropped the term “swine” in tactic
acknowledgement of..."

Oh if people haven't been dying from this newly created disease, I'd be laughing my butt off whil pointing and say 'I told you so.'

I am so speechless at the moment though. How could someone be doing this to our country? Do they not love the world their in? Did they sell the
patent, use the patent, and if so why aren't these men in jail? I bet you more than anything that their either a. the same people that have created
the vaccination or they've made their own vaccination and are using it for their own benefit.

something about the timeline for this experiment and the story we are getting look funny to you here? this is herr richt of the sextet of names on
the famous patent....

I can only reach the conclusion that our government, and world government bodies, have colluded to do this to us. how do you fight that? I try to hope
there is some incorruptible law enforcement agency out there, keeping a tab on things, that will step in before things get any more out of hand.
but the evidence of that, or of individuals in law enforcement who would have the decency or courage to speak up at the right time, is scarce. oh
there are plenty of retired cia officer whistleblowers and they make for great interviews after the fact, but I don't know if these people are where
we need them when it counts.

MANHATTAN, Kan., April 30 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- In 1918 a human influenza
virus known as the Spanish flu spread through the central United States while
a swine respiratory disease occurred concurrently. A Kansas State University
researcher has found that the virus causing the pandemic was able to infect
and replicate in pigs, but did not kill them, unlike in other mammalian hosts
like monkeys, mice and ferrets where the infection has been lethal.

Juergen A. Richt, Regents Distinguished Professor of Diagnostic Medicine and
Pathobiology at K-State's College of Veterinary Medicine, studied the 1918
Spanish flu pandemic with colleagues from the Canadian Food Inspection Agency,
U.S. Department of Agriculture and Mount Sinai School of Medicine.

Their research supports the hypothesis that the 1918 pandemic influenza virus
and the virus causing the swine flu were the same. Richt said the virus was
able to infect and replicate in swine and cause mild respiratory disease. The
1918 virus spread through the pig population, adapted to the swine and
resulted in the current lineage of the H1N1 swine influenza viruses. The
researchers' study is published in the May 2009 Journal of Virology.

"This study emphasizes that an influenza virus, which is known to induce a
lethal infection in ferrets and macaques, is not highly virulent in pigs,
indicating a potential resistance of swine to highly virulent influenza
viruses," Richt said. "It also suggests that pigs could have played a role in
maintaining and spreading the 1918 human pandemic influenza virus."

he researchers did not find a significant difference in effects from the 1918
and 1930 viruses in infected pigs. This was surprising, since the 1918 virus
killed more than 20 million people and was lethal to ferrets, mice and
macaques. Another surprising finding from the study was the rapid antibody
response in the animals infected with the 1918 virus, which is not typically
reported for the swine influenza virus.

Richt said he plans to conduct a follow-up project that will study what makes
a swine flu virus a pandemic flu virus.

The researchers conducted the study in the biosafety-level 4 laboratory and
animal cubicle at the National Centre for Foreign Animal Disease in Canada.

so, we are obviously "in" the follow up study right now, involuntarily of course.There does appear to be some level of prescience going on
somewhere.
"Richt and his colleagues drew together a frightening array of studies of flu viruses extracted from people and a small zoo of animals over the past
several decades.
They revealed their findings in January in a prescient paper called "The Pig as a Mixing Vessel for Influenza Viruses," published in the Journal of
Molecular and Genetic Medicine. "
perimental Infection of Pigs with the Human 1918 Pandemic Influenza Virus[triangledown]
Hana M. Weingartl,1,2* Randy A. Albrecht,3 Kelly M. Lager,4 Shawn Babiuk,1,5 Peter Marszal,1 James Neufeld,1 Carissa Embury-Hyatt,1 Porntippa
Lekcharoensuk,4,10 Terrence M. Tumpey,6 Adolfo García-Sastre,3,7,8 and Jürgen A. Richt4,9*
National Centre for Foreign Animal Disease, Canadian Food Inspection Agency, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada,1 Department of Medical Microbiology,2
Department of Immunology, University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada,5 Department of Microbiology,3 Department of Medicine, Division of
Infectious Diseases,7 Emerging Pathogens Institute, Mount Sinai School of Medicine New York, New York,8 National Animal Disease Center, ARS-USDA,
Ames, Iowa,4 Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Influenza Division, Atlanta, Georgia,6 Kansas State University, College of Veterinary
Medicine, Manhattan, Kansas,9 Department of Microbiology and Immunology, Faculty of Veterinary Medicine, Kasetsart University, Bangkok, Thailand,10
Received 19 November 2008/ Accepted 6 February 2009
Swine influenza was first recognized as a disease entity during the 1918 "Spanish flu" pandemic. The aim of this work was to determine the virulence
of a plasmid-derived human 1918 pandemic H1N1 influenza virus (reconstructed 1918, or 1918/rec, virus) in swine using a plasmid-derived
A/swine/Iowa/15/1930 H1N1 virus (1930/rec virus), representing the first isolated influenza virus, as a reference. Four-week-old piglets were
inoculated intratracheally with either the 1930/rec or the 1918/rec virus or intranasally with the 1918/rec virus. A transient increase in temperature
and mild respiratory signs developed postinoculation in all virus-inoculated groups. In contrast to other mammalian hosts (mice, ferrets, and
macaques) where infection with the 1918/rec virus was lethal, the pigs did not develop severe respiratory distress or become moribund. Virus titers in
the lower respiratory tract as well as macro- and microscopic lesions at 3 and 5 days postinfection (dpi) were comparable between the 1930/rec and
1918/rec virus-inoculated animals. In contrast to the 1930/rec virus-infected animals, at 7 dpi prominent lung lesions were present in only the
1918/rec virus-infected animals, and all the piglets developed antibodies at 7 dpi. Presented data support the hypothesis that the 1918 pandemic
influenza virus was able to infect and replicate in swine, causing a respiratory disease, and that the virus was likely introduced into the pig
population during the 1918 pandemic, resulting in the current lineage of the classical H1N1 swine influenza viruses. Corresponding author. Mailing
address for Hana M. Weingartl: National Center for Foreign Animal Disease, Canadian Food Inspection Agency,Mailing address for Jürgen A. Richt:
College of Veterinary Medicine, K224B Mossier Hall, Kansas State University, Manhattan, KS
[triangledown] Published ahead of print on 18 February 2009.
The Pig as a Mixing Vessel for Influenza Viruses,"
Oh btw, not to scare everyone,I was thinking about the "piggyback" thing, where segmented genomes or foreign epitopes from other pathogens were
inserted into the influenza, as per the cancelled sections of the patent. Is it totally sci-fi to speculate that when these attenuated viruses are
laying dormant in the body, the introduction of a second pathogen might cause a spontaneous reassembly of some kind? Or, perhaps they could be
markers?

To sum it up, at least 4 of the 6 inventors worked also on the resurrection of the Spanish flu.

1. Peter Palese (also member of CFR) - I agree with you Asphodelven, he seems to be a likeable fellow, but the same is true for Ben Bernanke
2. Dr. Jürgen A. Richt
3. Adolfo García-Sastre
4. Kelly M. Lager

Robert Webster, the fifth inventor, heads the World Health Organisation (WHO) collaborating laboratory on animal influenza.

Maybe if we dig deeper we can find something about Webby as well.

The 2006 patent application documented, that the 6 inventors also created a hybrid-virus, using sequences from a second virus in 2006.

Since this important article hasn't been commented on, I will post the link again.

Swine Flu Virus Created from Pig Vaccine?

The swine flu virus had three parents from two continents and appeared suddenly without warning, evading all routine flu surveillance and quarantine;
sequence data suggest it may have been created from a faulty vaccine given to pigs in North America Prof. Adrian Gibbs and Dr. Jean Downie ....

Richard Webby, PhD, an associate member in Infectious Diseases, has been named director of the World Health Organization (WHO) Collaborating Center
for Studies on the Ecology of Influenza Viruses in Lower Animals and Birds.

Robert Webster, PhD, who holds the hospital’s Rose Marie Thomas Chair in Infectious Diseases, has been at St. Jude since 1968. He has headed the lab
since 1975 and recommended to the WHO that the position be transferred to Webby.

I'm not sure this is smoking gun anything. You would want to patent the virus to have rights to vaccines would you not? If you didn't any other
pharmaceutical company would just steal your progress and sell it as their own..

This certainly isn't enough evidence to suggest anything criminal is going on. You can look at this scenario with fear in your eyes and gain the
conclusion something sinister is going on quite easily but your reaching that conclusion based on your feelings and not facts.

If you look at the scenario in a positive light it also makes perfect sense and gives the conclusion the top people in this field are doing whatever
they can to help.

The bottom line is none of us really have a clue.. Stop the fear mongering.

"Richt said he plans to conduct a follow-up project that will study what makes
a swine flu virus a pandemic flu virus.

The researchers conducted the study in the biosafety-level 4 laboratory and
animal cubicle at the National Centre for Foreign Animal Disease in Canada. "

The National Centre for Foreign Animal Disease in Canada is located in Suffield, which is in the province of Alberta.

Now, I will refer you to the location of the second reported outbreak after Mexico.

Where was it?

"In late April, Margaret Chan, the World Health Organization's director-general, declared a "public health emergency of international concern"
under the rules of the WHO's new International Health Regulations when the first cases of the H1N1 virus were reported in the United States.[51][52]
Following the outbreak, on May 2, 2009, it was reported in pigs at a farm in Alberta, Canada, with a link to the outbreak in Mexico. The pigs are
suspected to have caught this new strain of virus from a farm worker who recently returned from Mexico, then showed symptoms of an influenza-like
illness.[53] These are probable cases, pending confirmation by laboratory testing."

I'm sorry but to be able to shrug off this much evidence is...impressive.
If I'd lost someone to this disease, and if I thought in some way that humans might be directly responsible for its spread, I'd want to know that
someone were treating this as a homicide investigation, and as such, following the causal links where they may lead.

It is all well and good to say that swine flu has been around for ages. But this great flurry of concern about it, when there hasn't been a
widespread human outbreak in over 30 years, is certainly questionable.
[edit on 4-11-2009 by Asphodelven]

I'm dropping the subject now. It's quite frankly making me ill and I'm aware that I'm obsessing and falling behind at work and school. I can only
conjecture why none of this is being reported. Either its a dead end or it is not meant to be known

LOL, I love getting URGENT U2U messages from the staff to go to threads like this, and see that it's a whole lot of nothing based on not reading
the whole thing and not understanding what you're reading.

I am also not sure if this is a smoking gun. I am even not 100% sure that a crime has been committed. Much less who might be the perpetrator. So I
certainly don't want to accuse the inventors of releasing the current swine flu virus, but the possibility exists.

Maybe the current swine flu has naturally evolved.

Maybe the swine flu was manufactured in a laboratory and later accidently released. If you read the Gibbs article, he describes exactly this scenario.
He suspects a swine vaccine against the flu as the probable culprit. If this scenario is true all recently released and developed swine vaccines need
to be closely examined.

But, maybe, as some on ATS believe, the virus was manufactured in a lab and purposely released. To dismiss this idea out of hand is naive. Just read
about the following experiments governments have conducted on their own populations. It would have been impossible to carry out these experiments
without the help of experts. Technocrats, following their orders and scientific ideas without any empathy and conscience.

Those experiments were conducted in the past. If you believe, that the governments and techocrats today follow higher standards, take a look at what
the neocons have done. Prolonged detention without charges, illegal wiretapping, aggressive wars based on lies, cronycapitalism and torture are only
some of the crimes they have committed. They may be no longer in power, and with Obama rules a democrat in the white house, but the constant
violations of human rights with the help from „experts“ continue under his administration. globalresearch.ca...

So we must assume the worst and suspect, that his administration also shares the PNAC mindset regarding the usage of biological weapons and considers
them as „a political useful tool“. home.earthlink.net...

If ambiguous work from scientistst could help to develop better vaccines and drugs, or be used as knowledge and weapon in biowarfare-programs, those
scientists should be watched closely. This is especially important if the research, like much of the Spanish flu recreation is partially funded by the
department of defence.

The creation of a chimeric virus (read cancelled claims!), composed from two different pathogens, is exactly such a dual-use research
project.

I personally find the idea to recreate a horrible pathogen from the past or the conducting of reassortment experiments with pathogens
irresponsible.

Here more critical voices on the Spanish flu:

There may be many reasons for the individual scientists to work on this project, not least the scientific prestige - the"Spanish flu" subject matter
practically guaranteed a series of publications in prestigious journals. From an arms control perspective it appears to be particularly sensitive if a
military research institution embarks on a project that aims at constructing more dangerous pathogens - if Jeffery Taubenberger worked in a Chinese,
Russian or Iranian laboratory, his work might well be seen as the "smoking gun" of a biowarfare program.

Originally posted by Esoterica
LOL, I love getting URGENT U2U messages from the staff to go to threads like this, and see that it's a whole lot of nothing based on not reading
the whole thing and not understanding what you're reading.

No wonder I've almsot stopped coming here. Way to go ATS

maybe you should try it then buddy

statistically, the odds of the Alberta Canada pig farm infection being related to the deliberate infections going on at the biosafety level 4 facility
(whatever it was called) in Suffield are probably infinitesimal but they are substantially greater than there being no relation .
.
Many have stated the likelihood it was an accidental escape as well.

...though having patents on hand for just such an event is mighty convenient. Not just this one, but the Baxter Medimmune and Novartis patents have
got to be considered as well.

If this was an accidental escape from Biosafety level 4, that would be real cause for concern considering the other nasties laying around in those
places.

"But cocooned within the nearly completed $105 million facility is a laboratory built like a submarine—11,125 square feet of airtight, carefully
pressurized space. As soon as next spring, 30 doctorate-level scientists wearing protective suits and hoods will conduct groundbreaking research in
these rooms, trying to determine how lethal infectious diseases kill their hosts.

Hemorrhagic fevers like Marburg and Ebola, which are caused by viruses, are among the world’s most horrific afflictions. For about seven days after
infection, patients suffer from flulike symptoms, but as the virus multiplies, blood starts to seep from the skin, mouth, eyes and ears. Internal
organs hemorrhage into bloody, shapeless masses. Some of these fevers kill up to 90 percent of those who contract them, and they can be passed along
by close contact with bodily fluids, maybe even by a sneeze. " digg.com...

EDIT: I had not noticed this section earlier. It is suggestive, I suppose.

6.5 EQUIVALENTS

[0297]The present invention is not to be limited in scope by the specific embodiments described which are intended as single illustrations of
individual aspects of the invention, and functionally equivalent methods and components are within the scope of the invention. Indeed, various
modifications of the invention, in addition to those shown and described herein will become apparent to those skilled in the art from the foregoing
description and accompanying drawings. Such modifications are intended to fall within the scope of the appended claims.

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