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Re: Start Lance At The Point....Please...

They can still play together with Hill at the 2 till DG comes back...I wouldnt mind Hill being in at the end because hes the better clutch player...I feel like Lance is DYING to break out. You can see it everytime he gets a rebound. Everybody always saying we need a go to player who can create for himself and others and Lance is the only guy on the team with the skillset to do so...Not PG

this. i cringe everytime we have an opportunity to fastbreak and Hill gets the outlet pass instead of Lance. Even if Hill is our guy, we should be looking for Lance first on the break IMO. He's so fun to watch and so much better than anybody else on the team in that situation.

Re: Start Lance At The Point....Please...

this. i cringe everytime we have an opportunity to fastbreak and Hill gets the outlet pass instead of Lance. Even if Hill is our guy, we should be looking for Lance first on the break IMO. He's so fun to watch and so much better than anybody else on the team in that situation.

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Re: Start Lance At The Point....Please...

I have no proof of this, but I get the feeling it's more like Hill/PG will run the play that Vogel calls no matter what, whereas Lance will get it to the guy in the best position to score no matter what. Hill is a system/structure guy (which is why he was the only one having success in the first week), and Lance is a playmaker.

Re: Start Lance At The Point....Please...

If he isn't already, Lance must be pretty close to our best 'broken plays' creator. As such would like to see him as the preferred option late in the clock. The reason everyone gets excited when he has the ball in his hands is not solely because of his unpredictability and showmanship but his quality as a shot creator - either for himself or team mates. The downside is that he sometimes forces it, the upside is that he possess a raw but near unique skill-set for this roster as constructed.

"He's a strong physical presence out there on both ends of the court. He's a man. There's a reason he was an All-Star." -- Vogel on David West

Re: Start Lance At The Point....Please...

Honestly, right now I would say Lance. He has the mindset to be a star. Paul doesn't have it yet.

before Wenesday I would agree with you, but I want to wait until tomorrow night to answer that after Paul's 37 point preformance. I think Lance and Paul both have a shot at being a star, but it is close

Re: Start Lance At The Point....Please...

If he isn't already, Lance must be pretty close to our best 'broken plays' creator. As such would like to see him as the preferred option late in the clock. The reason everyone gets excited when he has the ball in his hands is not solely because of his unpredictability and showmanship but his quality as a shot creator - either for himself or team mates. The downside is that he sometimes forces it, the upside is that he possess a raw but near unique skill-set for this roster as constructed.

I agree, and though he will force it, he's been doing a heck of a job this year. His TOs (1.6 TOs on the year) aren't all that high considering the minutes he plays the how he creates. His assist to turnover ration isn't good, but I think that can improve with more time.

Hill and Lance together should make for a good pair since both are interchangeable.

Re: Start Lance At The Point....Please...

His assist to turnover ration isn't good, but I think that can improve with more time.

If only the other guys are making their shots, Lance should already be having multiple 6-10 assists per game at this point. There are a lot of times his feeds give open looks to others, unfortunately they are not going in. But I agree, it will improve as he plays more.

Re: Start Lance At The Point....Please...

Why are we talking about Lance vs Hill when they play together so well? The real question is Lance vs DJ.

This. I like Lance and GH together because they both can handle and have good vision. Both of them have speed and quickness on the defensive end. Putting a label on them means very little. Let them play together and figure out who brings the ball up and who triggers the offense, or just rotate those duties. Give it another 10 games and see where we are. I'm not sure Augustin is ever going to be able to run the second unit. He does look lost. Maybe when/if Danny comes back he can play with either Lance or PG at the 2 or even Danny at the backup 3 to give him a target to work with? Danny may have to take a backup minutes if the team is rolling by the time he comes back.

Re: Start Lance At The Point....Please...

He can be our PG by playing at the "2" too.All you need is don't let Hill setting up the offense and let the clock wind down to 11 to initiate it.
As for Lance,he's probably the only bright thing about our season.He still overhits some shots but all in all he has been very good.

Re: Start Lance At The Point....Please...

Lance fits as a 6th man on this team or a starter with Granger out. In either case, he will be on the floor a lot with starters as long as he continues to develop.

I must say he has changed my opinion of him. Specifically his commitment to getting better, his ability to defend and his off court record. It's all been good and I will take my lumps for misjudging him.