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Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

yeah, obviously
Collison is a defensive liability and doesn't have really good ways of scoring the ball or supreme court vision (So many times I've seen West in good position but not getting the ball, or Granger open outside, or Hibbert getting the ball 3-4 seconds after he should have gotten it)
Collison isn't a bad point guard, he's good enough for now, but if we really plan on being a top 4 team in the east we need a better point guard.

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Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

I think DC's played pretty well this year. That said, I definitely agree if we're just talking starters. DC is still a young player, but I think his defense is what it will be, and that's honestly my biggest issue with him. I'd start somebody like Earl Watson over him based on that alone.

Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

Yes, he's the weakest link. But he's also better than any PG we've had since Jamaal Tinsley. Problem is, that's not saying much. The PG position has been very bad for the Pacers for a long time, and people have gotten used to mediocrity at the position. A player like Rajon Rondo would make a huge difference at that position. Probably as much as if we swapped Hibbert for Dwight Howard. That's just how important the PG position is on a team.

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Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

Long term? Maybe.

But I wouldn't say that he's been outplayed by Paul George so far this year. Paul George has all-star potential, sure, but he's not there yet. DC's been playing pretty well unless he's going up against Deron Williams.

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Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

I've never had a problem with DC. I think he's a good player. But talent wise, I like to compare our team to OKC and Miami. If we're ever going to compete with them, we have to raise our talent level by a lot. That's once again why I think a serious look at Deron Williams this summer (so long as Dwights whole scenario doesn't go as planned).

5 former/current all stars starting could possibly compete with Miami and OKC. That's what the Pacers need to be able to do.

And we'll still need DC. We'll still need him to come of the bench and score points for a non-scoring bench squad.

Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

Collison's been better than Granger this year, but of course Granger continues to get a pass after each and every 2/11, 4/16, etc performance. Seriously, people were calling out Collison after the Hornets game where he shot 8/11 for 18pts 8rebs 6asts and 1to. Even Paul George has been flat out awful at times, but because he's our wonderboy, nobody dares talk negatively about him. But after each and every Collison miss it's "we need 38yo no defense Nash to cure all of our problems".

Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

heres the problem.....hes shoot first pas second..... we need pass first shoot second

People say things like this all the time and I'm just not sure that is the case. How many true "pass first" point guards are there in the league? Nash, Rubio, Calderon, Rondo and CP3 are the ones that come to mind most readily. Plus, we need a scorer still. I have been a DC defender, but I agree that he is the weakest link in our starting five, and don't really think there's any debate over that. An upgrade would be nice, but I'm not sure how we do that without creating a hole somewhere else in the starting five.

Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

I am good with DC starting,and being the weakest link starter. You can't have an all-star at every position.
Now that GH is back and AJ playing better, I would go with what we have at the point for the rest of the year.

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Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

Keeping it real...I just want a bigger PG period. I don't mind Collison overall. I wouldn't be actively shopping him, unless I decided to act on a trade rumor. However, he's the one player that I wouldn't give that much to trading him. Personally, I'm in the camp that wouldn't mind giving Stephenson the starting PG job to see how he fits. I swear, IMHO, he just seems to be the better passer with better court vision when comparing the two. If Lance works on his jumper this summer, I believe he could become consistent role player at the min.

Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

I like DC as a player and a person, but if we have a shot at Deron Williams if the Nets don't get Dwight we better take it. I'm hoping for some kind of move before the trade deadline even if it's not this... I'd be fine with DC for the rest of the season if we can get a guy like Kaman or something for basically nothing.

Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

Good luck in playoffs OKC, having only 2 all stars/future all stars/old time all stars in starting 5.

Sorry to break your bubble, Miami Heat, you arent going anywhere with only 2 all stars in your starting five either, you either go with 5 all stars or rebuild!

Ugh.

It's not a numbers game, it's just having the ability to play on the same court as OKC and Miami.

Miami has the best player in the NBA and the best two guard. They dominate. We have no one who can dominate. Deron at times can be a dominate player and if we added him, we'd be a complete team possibly being able to compete for a title.

By the way, Durant/Westbrook are two of the best players in the league, Ibaka is one of the best PF's in the league, and Harden is one of the best two guards in the league. That team is absolutely stacked.

Re: The Pacers' weakest link: DC?

It's not a numbers game, it's just having the ability to play on the same court as OKC and Miami.

Miami has the best player in the NBA and the best two guard. They dominate. We have no one who can dominate. Deron at times can be a dominate player and if we added him, we'd be a complete team possibly being able to compete for a title.

By the way, Durant/Westbrook are two of the best players in the league, Ibaka is one of the best PF's in the league, and Harden is one of the best two guards in the league. That team is absolutely stacked.

Ah thanks for explaining!

Also Westbrook is not one of the best NBA players, second, Ibaka is nowhere near the to be elite PF, and Harden is good.

Also i was responding with an absurd comment to the absurd thread.

And dont dare to say we have noone dominating, we have Paul George who one day will be HOF'er.