Awaiting Hillary’s ‘robust’ condemnation of offensive cartoon

I am an admirer of both Hillary and Bill Clinton, and not only because both have been supportive of the American Jewish community and Israel.

Bill Clinton worked tirelessly trying to bring a peaceful resolution to the Israel-Palestinian conflict. Hilary Clinton may go down as one of the most successful and influential Secretaries of State the US has known and has also worked hard – and as fruitlessly – to try to bring some closure to that conflict. Their daughter is married to a Jewish man, son of friends of theirs.

But this week, they and the branch of the US administration that Hillary heads have failed the Jewish community in the UK, and, indeed, around the world.

When some Muslims rioted across the world following the 2005 publication (in the Danish newspaper Jyllands-Posten) of Mohammed cartoons, Bill Clinton was swift to respond, and absurdly compared cartoons depicting Mohammed to deadly anti-Semitic cartoons depicting Jews:

DOHA (AFP) – Former US president Bill Clinton warned of rising anti-Islamic prejudice, comparing it to historic anti-Semitism as he condemned the publishing of cartoons depicting Prophet Mohammed in a Danish newspaper.

“So now what are we going to do? … Replace the anti-Semitic prejudice with anti-Islamic prejudice?” he said at an economic conference in the Qatari capital of Doha.

“In Europe, most of the struggles we’ve had in the past 50 years have been to fight prejudices against Jews, to fight against anti-Semitism,” he said.

Clinton described as “appalling” the 12 cartoons published in a Danish newspaper in September depicting Prophet Mohammed and causing uproar in the Muslim world.

“None of us are totally free of stereotypes about people of different races, different ethnic groups, and different religions … there was this appalling example in northern Europe, in Denmark … these totally outrageous cartoons against Islam,” he said.

The (George W. Bush-era) State Department also weighed in on the Europeans’ cartoon controversy. It too hastened to reference anti-Semitism and claimed equivalence with the horrendously anti-Semitic cartoons that appear daily in Arab media:

The Muslim world erupted in anger on Friday over caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad published in Europe while the Bush administration offered the protesters support, saying of the cartoons, ”We find them offensive, and we certainly understand why Muslims would find these images offensive.”

… The State Department spokesman, Sean McCormack, reading the government’s statement on the controversy, said, ”Anti-Muslim images are as unacceptable as anti-Semitic images,” which are routinely published in the Arab press, ”as anti-Christian images, or any other religious belief.”

Still, the United States defended the right of the Danish and French newspapers to publish the cartoons. ”We vigorously defend the right of individuals to express points of view,” Mr. McCormack added.

When some Muslims rioted over a film made by an Egyptian born Copt living in America that mocked Islam, Hillary Clinton showed understanding for their anger:

“Let me state very clearly — and I hope it is obvious — The United States government had nothing to do with this video. We absolutely reject its content and message,” Clinton said in a statement at a State Department.

Clinton said that the video’s intended purpose seemed to be inciting violence.

So now I ask – where is the condemnation from either Bill or Hillary Clinton or the US State Department that Hillary heads over the rabidly anti-Semitic cartoon that appeared in the UK’s Sunday Times on no other day than Holocaust Memorial Day?

Even if we agree that the concept of freedom of speech means that Scarfe can create and the Sunday Times publish anti-Semitism, why has Bill not found time to say something like this?

“None of us are totally free of stereotypes about people of different races, different ethnic groups, and different religions … there was this appalling example in Europe, in Great Britain … this totally outrageous cartoon directed at the Jewish people.”

Why hasn’t the State Department’s issued a statement with criticism such as this?

”We find the Sunday Times cartoon offensive, and we certainly understand why Jews would find these images offensive … anti-Semitic images are unacceptable.”

Why has Hillary not found the time to “absolutely reject” Scarfe’s cartoon as “disgusting and reprehensible … with the intent of inciting violence”?

Hillary – if it takes a village to raise a child properly, what does it take in our global village to get your attention to the increasing anti-Semitism that has become such a staple of European media and as weighty a condemnation of this “typically robust cartoon” by Gerald Scarfe”as Bill, you, and the State Department have found for other cartoons and a poorly made and initially widely ignored film promo?

“CIF Watch’s inability to realize that the Sunday Post is British, not American, is disturbing”

Dear ‘Nat’ your inability to realize that the subject of this thread is The Sunday Times and NOT The Sunday Post demonstrates your usual level of knowledge, and the truth of the saying ignorance can be cured but stupid is forever.

Run along now, your organ grinder will not be happy with his monkey making such basic errors.

Awaiting ‘Nat’ to admit his error above in writing about the Sunday Post when the thread is about the Sunday Times.
And awaiting ‘Nat’ to admit his gross ignorance below in denying the fact that Rupert Murdoch is an American citizen.

I’d like to understand how Mr Levick picks the issues he writes about. Scarfe’s cartoon is one, but why not also write about how some Ethiopian women report being forced to accept contraceptive shots? This issue was covered by most Israeli newspapers, some validating the story, some not.

Why only cover issues related to the Palestine conflict? There are many things in Israel which are not related to the conflict.

Which also have nothing to do with you, since you’re a paid Dutch troll!
What I’d like to find out is who in the Netherlands would hire people to harass Israeli-oriented blogs?
So, who coughs up your pay-check every month?
We’re quite anxious to know.
Oh, and stop trolling on MONTH-old threads, you ninny… People can easily espy what you’re trying to do.

Your problem is that neither Scarfe nor the cartoon are anti-Semitic. They are in the great British tradition of political satire. Every day the Guardian publishes cartoons of David Cameron with a condom over his head. Political cartoons published in Britain in the 19th century were vicious in the extreme but were never censored. Just get used to it. If Murdoch pulls Scarfe from the Sunday Times he will be published elsewhere and wiil satirise Netanyahu or Assad in equal measure. Both have blood on their hands and deserve it.

The British press does not, as far as I have seen publish pictures of their Prime Minister crushing bleeding Irish to death by building a “Peace Wall” (funny how that one is for peace, right?) in Belfast.

I don’t think the British are bombing Catholic areas with F16s, they’re not building Protestant only settlements, they’ve recognised an Irish state for decades (comprising the majority of Ireland whereas Bibi is debating whether to allow the Palestinians a few shreds in the 22% of Palestine Israel hasn’t seized for its state)

The essence of your post, although you might not realise it, points up that the N Irish troubles cannot be compared usefully to those of the I/P conflict. Lord Alderdyce, architect of the “peace” agreement there once said as much.

“the N Irish troubles cannot be compared usefully to those of the I/P conflict. Lord Alderdyce, architect of the “peace” agreement there once said as much.”

Your comment is worthless unless you say WHY the two conflicts can’t be compared. I’m certainly not impressed by support from his lordship. Shooting stone-throwers is shooting stone-throwers whatever the setting. I suspect that the difference is that NI police see the protesters as part of their community (however mistaken), while IDF soldiers (and their officers) view Arabs as an alien, lesser breed, and thus fair game.

In fact, prof-manqué, it’s your type of palestinista that thinks arabs are a lesser breed. You have the lowest expectations of them and treat them like spoiled children; in fact you only care of using them as an excuse for your true Jew-hatred. Your little idiotic game is transparent.

Not surprising to find two mercenaries of Jew-hatred agreeing with each other. Hey, you can already start your own anti-Semitic party. But first call it “anti-Israel” or “anti-Zionist” while the public still has some memory of the Holocaust.

The evidence is plenty as everybody here recognizes, except your buddies-in-hatred such as sencar, snottyville, “nat”, etc. As for my nick, use your imagination. Or not, at is seems to be full of either anti-Semitic or pornographic trash.

At conference he spoke at, and I was there, he said that the ME conflict was far more complex, toxic and deep-rooted and when further questioned it transpired that the panel agreed that this was because of the deep hatred of Jews by Muslims which is mandated in the koran.

Now, nowhere in the Bible which both sides in N Ireland share is an injunction for one side to hate the other, much less for them to take such injunctions seriously and literally.

And frankly I couldn’t give a fig whether or not you are impressed. Your opinions are similarly unimpressive.

The French never bombed Muslim kids, Itsik. They joined forces with the Malian army to oust Islamist militia from Timbuktu, a world heritage city, where they were warmly greeted by the local population earlier this week.

I’m a bit surprised to see that you stand om the side of the Islamist militia, not on the side of the French democracy, itsik.

As for me allying myself with Islamist you couldn’t be further from the truth.
It is you who choose to allign yourself with the devil.
You can’t pick and choose you know.
Israeli troops in general behave far better than the other forces that deal with Islamic radicals, and under the circumstances, and taking into account Israel’s land mass and borders it is amazing that the Arab casualties are so low and that they are actualy being aided on a daily basis.
As an Israeli this part of our education to assist all our citizens.
Of course, not everyone was born in the same enviornment and there are racists in Israel just like there are everywhere else.

You on the other hand choose to ignore this and portray Tzahal as a racist army.

“You on the other hand choose to ignore this and portray Tzahal as a racist army.”

This is libel. I’ve never portrayed Tsahal as a “racist army”, and never will.

I’m accustomed to the fact that some people on this website use libel because they have limited intelligence and are unable to articulate their thoughts. Please do not join them in their silliness, you’re smarter than that.

“I’m a bit surprised to see that you stand om the side of the Islamist militia, not on the side of the French democracy, itsik.” “nat”-the-fraudster

Great, I see you are veeeeery fond of democracies and also concerned with liberating people from the fangs of Islamism. So you’d certainly favor the ousting the Islamist mafia of Hamas from Gaza, right? And you should side with the Israeli democracy for that, eh?

Let’s see how will you spin out of that, “nat”. Will you just keep silent or will whine that Hamas is “different”? Take your bets.

As you may know, the Northern Ireland (UK) police are currently coming under very hostile attacks from Protestant militants using not just stones but petrol bombs and the occasional bullets. Many police have been injured (although, as ever, they exaggerate severity and numbers). Significantly, the (armed) NI police very rarely use their guns and there have been no serious injuries or deaths amongst the demonstrators. Contrast that approach with that of the IDF towards Palestinian stone-throwers. “Shoot first, whether in danger or not” appears to be the watchword in the West Bank, as the casualty statistics bear witness.

Anti-Semitism is a kind of addiction. People like sencar, “nat” and snotty-whatever are motivated and energized by their hatred. Of course, nowadays they need the mask of “anti-racism” or some such BS so they can barf their racist judeophobia.

I don’t think so, Commentary101. Your reference to The Troubles is irrelevant since they ended with the Good Friday Agreement in 1998. Your second link is to bombings by remnants of the IRA, which have been investigated in the normal way with no shootings by police or army. I was talking about the very recent Protestant riots in protest at limits to flying the union jack over Belfast City Hall. As you can see here, for example, the police were restrained in their response, as I indicated above.

My reference to The Troubles is irrelevant? Really?
Are we supposed to brush 5,000 people(many of whom, completely innocent of any wrongdoing) aside?
Where are your shrill cries of British overreaction to some Irish “firecrackers”, as would usually accompany any defensive action by Israel?
Lastly, my link clearly shows, that violence is hardly over in NI; The IRA that had already managed to kill 2 police officers; and carried several other bombing attempts.
No doubt, Loyalist reprisals will follow. Some have been foiled so far, but only time will tell.
Lastly, as for your hatred re Israel: anyone familiar, even marginally, with the character of your postings here, instantly elicits therefrom your seething rage against Israel — demonstrated by your railing about “Khazars”, and other myths.
If you toned it down, and applied whatever criticism you have equitably(equally about Israel, as unto other nations), you might actually be considered a reasoned interlocutor.

Yes – it’s irrelevant to the question of state violence towards demonstrators in recent times. The vast majority of the 5000 were killed by illegal militias. When the British Army did kill 13 demonstrators in 1972 and the immediate tribunal of enquiry was judged to be flawed a further massive independent enquiry was held, eventually condemning British Army actions. The IDF don’t seem to feel the need for such enquiries although 46 Palestinian stone-throwers have been killed with lethal weapons on the West Bank since 2005.

“…Contrast that approach with that of the IDF towards Palestinian stone-throwers. “Shoot first, whether in danger or not” appears to be the watchword in the West Bank, as the casualty statistics bear witness.”

Really?
Is this why fully armed soldiers ran away from a mob early this year?
They could have shot the lot of them.
They shot none.

You prepare to have your Jew-hating BS challenged, such as this grotesque comparison of Assad to Netanyahu. Just don’t come whining later, like your buddy-in-sensitivity-cum-judeophobia, and equally fraudulent “nat”.

Sanity, how much as I hate Bibi, he never killed Arabs for fun.
Not sure if Assad Jr did as well.
Unlike Assad Jr. Bibi didn’t even order such thing.
If you know he did please back it up now or forever hold your peace.

Yes, Assad allows latent antisemitism to be present in Syrian government discourse (or maybe promotes it, who knows). Netanyahu claims to speak for all Jews, claims that the state he leads represents all Jews and forces young Jews to be part of one of the most tightly controlled perpetrators of state-sponsored latent violence and violence-inducing, pyschotraumatic, institutions in the world. Namely the Israeli Dehumanization Force.

This is not satire, sencar. Even a researcher manque like you should have the intelligence to discern that satire is funny or amusing at some level, which lightens the offence it causes, and it uses wit. There is absolutely nothing funny or witty about this egregious piece of cartoonery.

And perhaps Jews/Israelis will “get used to it” when Muslims get used to being taken the p*ss out of and “satirised” in similar vein, ie when hell freezes over.

You are right, they’re not!
But not for the ways you were aiming for.
most of the Muslims rioting never even saw the Cartoons.
Many of the rioters attacked individuals and assets belonging to people which had nothing to do with publishing or creating the cartoons.

With regards to the Anti Zionist / Anti Semitic cartoon, most people who find it offensive saw it (I can safely say that over 95% did).
Hardly any of the people who dislike it even protested at it.
It does not effect a religion but a nation.
The Jewish nation and it;s bloody heritege, which you buddy, need a crash course about.
On second thought forget it. You might actualy enjoy the stories.

Can you name many state leaders who are nor corrupt or have blood on their hands in one way or another?
By your logic not intervening against a jenocide is in effect contributing to it.
Your world is not a logical or sane one. It is a black and white one.
And you call others racists… Now that’s satire.

Yeah, and Tony “bush-doggie” Blair, Hitler, Stalin and Churchill, etc, they are all the same, right. Once again, the brave Knight of Hypocrishire succumbs to his imbecilic leftard ideology. BTW, you have offended the comatose population by calling them “vegetables”. As your soul-mate in PC hogwash would say: SHAME ON YOU!

Yes you do. You are mercenary of hatred, obsessing about Israel, dehumanizing Israelis, making stupid comparisons. And you are also a coward that hides behind your fake anti-recist crusade. Your little theatre is no more, Knight of Hypocrishire. Try going back to your “work”.

LOL! Homoeroticism is not my obsession, sanitarium. You are such a pathetic mercenary of hatred, so sensitive when you BS is exposed. You bring lots of laughter to this blog and serve as a case study of post-modern Jew-haters.

Just today you compared Netanyahu with Assad, said he killed arabs for fun, dehumanized the IDF and reduced Jewish culture to religion. And this is for just one day. That’s nothing but alibi anti-Semitism: you use anti-Israelism to mask your Jew-hatred and use your patently hypocritical mask of anti-racism. You need to go back to your “work” and try to find another mask.

I thought only humans could be dehumanised. The IDF is an INSTITUTION, not a human. It is comrpised of humans, who have a very tough lot. I sympathise very much with them. Most of them happen to be Jews. So I guess like most antisemites I sympathise with Jews? Your logic is impecable. You are a dick-shit, really.

Aww…you don’t tell. So why you only dehumanise the humans from the IDF, an army which has probably the best record in history in avoiding civilian casualties? And all of that in a country continuously under attack for all its existence. You are just a ridiculous LEFTARD.

As if….
The difference is, of course, that sanity, like so many of his head messed ilk, are guilty of inverse racism, that of lowered expectations, which give Muslim/Arab perpetrators of violence against their own people as well as against Israel a free pass.

They all need to hate Jews and/or Israelis. There’s a goldmine of raw material here for a PhD

Why don’t you explain to us — sickening troll that you are — why a Dutch national, you, are at all exercised about the tidings of a blog dealing with a British newspaper?
Also, which Dutch/European organ is paying a semi-literate imbecile(you) to troll here?
And why?
Don’t dally too long in answering…

Itsik, the overwhelming majority of Israelis yearn for peace and coexistence. Israel should not be left in the hands of self-hating Jews who reject peace and preach hatred towards Islam and Christianity.

Listen, you’ve already tried with this smear. I asked you to bring forward evidence, and everyone saw in plain sight that what you brought forward was not antisemitic at all. So please just give it a rest. Everyone thinks you’re a twat. Enough.

I think you are mistaken. Everyone here sees you are a pathetic anti-Jewish troll, a humungus hypocrite and a moron to boot. If you are unhappy, go back to your “work” and your insignificant paranoiac existence.

I would never pretend that anyone could speak for or know what’s best for an entire people group such as the Jews. Every individual is different. To group them and categorise them in some way, well, that’s racist. Unlike you who believes that Bibi is a great guy and the spokesman for said people group.

What CIF Watch won’t publish: Scarfe often makes use of images of blood in his cartoons.

The red fluid is splashed across his website and featured, for example, in a recent cartoon of the Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad, who was pictured as a green, wraith-like creature drinking greedily from an oversized cup labelled “Children’s Blood”.

Will you stop pasting, the same idiotic message, over, and over again, moron?
I know you’re paid for it, but still: it’s over-egging it.
And besides, have you been paid extra to compare Netanyahu(the Israeli PM), with the murderous butcher, assassin of his own people, Assad?
Clear off, troll.

Bibi and Assad are equal.
Really?
Where shall we start the comparison?
How about in being elected?
How many times was Assad elected and for how long?
Who raced against him?
Shall we examine freedom of the press under Bibi compare to the one under Assad?

Your problem is that neither Scarfe nor the cartoon are anti-Semitic. They are in the great British tradition of political satire.

Indeed. I await with baited breath the new Scarfe cartoon displaying Hamas’s Haniyah lobbing rockets and mortars at Israel’s civilian population centres while surrounded by a growing pile of terrified Palestinian children and women designed to protect him from Israel’s response.

If Scarfe had drawn a picture of the Israeli Prime Minister with a condom on his head I don’t think anyone would be complaining about anti-Semitism. Equating Mr. Netanyahu with Bashir Assad is OTT to say the least, and using anti-Semitic motifs to say he is, is simply out of bounds. That you don’t see this, sencar, is not very flattering to you.

Nope – I don’t think a temporary three month contraceptive shot in the midst of a historic rescue operation (even if it happened – many are disputing the story) is a more serious issue than a major newspaper recycling the exact imagery that led to the Holocaust. But thanks for trying

“I am an admirer of both Hillary and Bill Clinton, and not only because both have been supportive of the American Jewish community and Israel.”

Oh, but AKUS, how can that be? Several trolls have assured me that you, I, and everyone else here are “right-wing racistsTM,” and we come here to be our “right-wing racist” selves in our “right-wing racist” way. ; )

On a more serious note, that was a good post, AKUS. Indeed, why haven’t Bill and Hil spoken up? Perhaps it’s just not as big a deal to the man she now works for. They all know that Jews are not going to riot in the streets over this. No one is in danger of violent retribution.

How on earth has the US State Dept. “failed the Jewish community in the UK”? Does AKUS speak for the latter?

The (George W. Bush-era) State Department also weighed in on the Europeans’ cartoon controversy. It too hastened to reference anti-Semitism and claimed equivalence with the horrendously anti-Semitic cartoons that appear daily in Arab media:

It did not “claim equivalence” – and you know it. So why make such a claim?

Enough of that, Nat, do you know who YOU are?
Do you know what day it is?
And the date?
And can you remember when you last ate and what?
Who is the UK Prime Minister?
If you get even one of the above questions wrong then go to your doctor NOW and tell him that you failed the present state examination.

For Hillary Clinton (or any politician of any hue for that matter) to condemn such things there has to be riots, death threats, burning of flags, even murders. That is why I have always maintained violence pays. Now before any thickos here deduce from this that I’m advocating violence let me say that I do not, I discourage it and I abhor it. And that is why I am always batting for the losing side. Democracy is a hostage to extremists who can, with a mere click of a figure or a sermon, wreak havoc on our institutions. We on the other hand, stand tut-tutting on the side lines, shaking our head and may be vent our feeling anonymously on an internet blog or two. Politicians, especially those whose survival depends on Muslim votes, will never be on our side, never. Democracy will be defeated.

On another note, if no main stream media will raise the matter then I think it would be a good idea to take a traveling exhibition of blood curdling, heinous and vile anti-Semitic literature (that includes cartoons, videos, films of sermons and Nazi material) that is published in the Muslim/Arab world on daily basis and how impressionable kids are taught to hate and kill Jews. And make it a point that none of this has anything to do with Palestine, but Jew hate predates this particular Muslim ire by over a millennia. Decouple Muslim/Arab anti-Semitism from Palestine issue.

Is opening a Wikipedia article now too much for you?
And you’re actually paid for this cheap trolling!
Money better spent elsewhere, IMHO. An ape would’ve done it better, hammering away aimlessly at a keyboard.

You clearly haven’t learned to read, while on a short hiatus from your trolling, moron.
From my link:
“…This resulted in Murdoch losing his Australian citizenship…”.
Why aren’t you thus ebullient, when askedabout the ffinanciers of your trolling here?
In any case, try learning to read in English.
There’s an article for you in Dutch, failing that.

Meanwhile Kerry’s predecessor as secretary of state, Hilary Clinton, has told Fox News that “the jury’s out” on Egyptian president Mohammed Morsi: “It’s not what somebody says; it’s what they do.”
So he can spit his hate of the Jews freely he’s only saying it and not doing…according to the US State secretary.

In an interview ahead of her handover to Kerry, Clinton said of the Arab Spring countries that “there was always going to be a period of adjustment”,
She should have added that this adjustment period is usually pretty short, depends on the necessery time to murder of the all opponents (see Iran)…