In Alaska, the folks are self-reliant and prefer to take care of things themselves. And they like Sarah Palin.

Palin represents a uniquely American brand of feminism, rooted in the material hardships of frontier life which demanded women not only nourish and raise their children but also do men's work because there was always so much work to be done: clear the trees or help your husband on his fishing boat. It is a feminism that couldn't be more at odds with the relentlessly ideological post-1960s feminism that, paradoxically, presents women as weak and needy creatures, victims of men, who need collectivist boosts from the government in order to hold their own in a male-dominated world. Not surprisingly, Gloria Steinem, the doyenne of 1960s feminism, called Palin a tool of the "patriarchy" who had failed to make "life more fair for women everywhere."

brokenhead:A lot of people feed families. There are tons of single working mothers out there that manage. That doesn't qualify them to be president or VP. And a lot of them would know better than to let ambition get in the way of raising their families.Tomas: So you'd have all women closted in burkhas? The single moms are received $$$ from Uncle Sam? Where's the real father?

Tomas, are you mentally deficient? Single moms make ends meet any way they can. More power to them. Stop with the burkha nonsense. What's with you? No, wait - I get it, Tomas, you dog. If Palin were exactly the same but with buck teeth, cellulite, thick ankles and acne scars - none of which would be her fault- you wouldn't think twice about trashing her the way you trash everybody else.

They'd be living in Blair House, replete with staff.. Al Gore's kids made do, what's the difference with it being a woman vice president this time. Male chauvanism?

The difference is Al Gore is more educated and and makes an effort to... golly, take an interest in current events?

Like going around saying a drunk driver killed his wife and child? He gets away with that because the driver has passed away, but his daughter said he was cleared of that by the state police. He was a tee-totaler.

What are you talking about?

I do not have a thing against women in politics. I do have a thing about this woman. She's massively unqualified for the job she wants us to give her. Her judgement is faulty. Blatantly so.

Don't you get it, Tomas? She's not urbane. At the very, very least, a president or vice president should be urbane.

Tomas wrote:Idaho and Alaska are mountains and hills with lotsa animals and grocery stores far and few between. Moose meat is tasty when properly prepared, nothing like most other wild game. I dunno Diebert what foods you eat but I grew up on a farm/ranch with the modern grocery store 50 miles away. Guns are a necessary way of life when one is raised in the country. Salmon, perch, deer, grouse, pheasant.. Perhaps is beyond your grasp?

I think it's beyond the grasp of 90% of the US citizens, and 90% of those citizens and their concerns are beyond her grasp too.

Really, I know many Americans are still really big on that One Nation for God crap, but I totally support secession of states like Alaska and Vermont too for the reasons you mention. I even support secession of the Northern farm provinces in my depth of the pit and I voted for it in the elections.

Actually I can't believe Palin reversed [what appears to be] her initial drive to secede, and goes federal as if Washington somehow could be changed, made into something less federal, hah. That's not gonna happen. I think some Neoconnish intellectuals got a hook in her faith and vanity and converted her as they converted Mccain and Bush with delusions of grandeur of some kind, like history's actors. Cannot explain it otherwise.

Alex Jacob wrote:Come on over to Obama, Tomas. Soon, we're all gonna be kinking our hair. If this doesn't convince you, I consider you a lost cause...

We really should have a thread with all the predictions of the small things that are going to change when Obama takes the helm of empire...

Forgive him Tomas - with all this talk about Palin, Alex obviously got confused and thought that it was a thread about hair. I'm not sure why he associates hair with Obama... he has a haircut more like Kelly Jones'. He must have been at least thinking Palin.

Alex, if Palin becomes President, will you start wearing as much make-up as she does?

"I'm not sure why he associates hair with Obama... he has a haircut more like Kelly Jones'. He must have been at least thinking Palin."

Yeah, but it is kinky Kelly Jones hair, and his wife and kids too. I was of course making (bad) jokes just to bother Tomas (who may in the end be fucking with all of us). I have a friend who, surpisingly to me, is adamantly opposed to Obama, and I suspect, though he won't say it, it is because of race more than anything else. When I told him I knew where to get a hair kinking device and I'd pick him up one if he wanted, he did not look at me very appreciatingly, and I haven't heard from his since.

-Elizabeth Isabelle-Forgive him Tomas - with all this talk about Palin, Alex obviously got confused and thought that it was a thread about hair.

-tomas-Oh, I know, he goes down .. memory lane .. about growing up in the San Francisco area, all the feminists, his mom, at the house yakking up a storm. Heavy fog of pot smoke etc.

-Elizabeth-I'm not sure why he associates hair with Obama...

-tomas-The majority of "jews" have dark hair?

My sister is married to a former "jew" with dark hair (but now gray). He left the 'jewish religion' behind when he moved out of his parent's at age-17. He is born/raised in northern New Jersey. He is ethnic Ukrainian/White Russian/Czech. As he puts it, Slavic.

-Elizabeth-he has a haircut more like Kelly Jones'.

-tomas-Egads! - When first viewing her profile, thought Kelly was a guy.. perhaps my study was dark, with the curtains pulled shut :-|

-Elizabeth-He must have been at least thinking Palin.

-tomas-It's like the photo of you at your website, I love the long hair :-)

PS - Shah mentioned (truth be told - viciously attacked me) that I had the "hots" for Palin - basically true because I like women with long hair, a sign of independence and a structured lifestyle. A can-do attitude..

-Shahrazad-Viciously attacked? You are becoming such a pussy. Shall I handle you with kid gloves from now on?

-tomas-Take a chill pill.

-Shah-You admit it is true? After all the whining?

-tomas-Hey, if one can do the work of the partner, (should the other one die), Sarah/Todd, the other could put the pieces together. To me, that's what family life comprises.

-Shah-Oh, and long hair is not a sign of independence, but of a conformist who dares not break paradigms.

-tomas-Guessed you've not roughed it .. in a pinch, long hair can be cut and put to good use. Human hair is not just for looks, you know.

Perhaps you've not heard of Paul Bunyan, Samson, "Grizzly Adams", much less the scriptural admonition of -why- women should "cover" their heads. This is true yet today with the Arab, Jewish women.. Native american Indian.

Everyone should read the New York Times article carefully. It raises questions about McCain's health as well - and of course that impacts Palin.

It is suggested, though can't be proven, that his melanoma in 2000 was actually more serious than reported. This is based on the surgery that was done - surgery recommended for a Class III melanoma, not a Class IIa. The reason this matters is that a Class III has only a 36% ten year survival rate, instead of a 60% for Class IIa. (This is all in the article... read it!)

Anyone really looked at him lately? He's very "twitchy." Compare him to some of the earliest Republican candidate debates or press conferences he gave a year ago. There's plenty of material on YouTube to do so. He's changed. There's something going on. I'm not a doctor, but I went through melanoma with the parent of a friend, and they can get metastases in the brain.

More than maybe any other election in modern history, we are not only electing a president but we are electing a vice president who has the best chance ever of becoming president.

Sarah "Tight Abs" Palin and the First Dude in the White House? It would be laughable if it wasn't so serious and possibly real.___________________Oh, and Alex, could you please find that utube vid of Palin in the 80's strutting the catwalk in her pink bathing suit? She was Sarah Heath then.

-brokenhead-A lot of people feed families. There are tons of single working mothers out there that manage. That doesn't qualify them to be president or VP. And a lot of them would know better than to let ambition get in the way of raising their families.

-tomas-You didn't say anything.

-brokie-Tomas, are you mentally deficient? Single moms make ends meet any way they can. More power to them. Stop with the burkha nonsense. What's with you? No, wait - I get it, Tomas, you dog. If Palin were exactly the same but with buck teeth, cellulite, thick ankles and acne scars - none of which would be her fault- you wouldn't think twice about trashing her the way you trash everybody else.

-tomas-More single moms, the kind Ryan trashes.

-brokie-The difference is Al Gore is more educated and and makes an effort to... golly, take an interest in current events?

-tomas-No wonder, he never worked a day in his life. His dad paid his way through university. Though he flunked his law exam the first time around, ditto for his theology exam (guess "god" had higher hopes for him) His son Gore-III busted for 4 different drugs in his possession. Yup, all-American family!

-tomas-Like Joe Biden going around saying a drunk driver killed his (first) wife and child? He gets away with that because the driver has passed away, but his daughter said he was cleared of that by the state police. He was a tee-totaler.

-brokie-What are you talking about?

-tomas-Jesus, your a stones throw from Biden and your eyes are rose colored?

-brokie-I do not have a thing against women in politics. I do have a thing about this woman. She's massively unqualified for the job she wants us to give her. Her judgement is faulty. Blatantly so.

-tomas-More inane talk.

-brokie-Don't you get it, Tomas? She's not urbane. At the very, very least, a president or vice president should be urbane.

There are many people who have voted sporadically, or not at all. This election though has far more meaning for many more people. I met people at the Democratic headquarters recently who explained they were never political until now, and now it meant something to them, and they simply had to act in some way, and they were engaged with gusto. Their concern, therefor, completely trumps your flip of a coin attitude, Tomas.

Obama as president will be able to do very little, and who is really certain what should be done? The only hope here is that millions of people have made an effort to get into the political process, and maybe they will get politicized, and maybe they will be able to influence some policies. I think we can have a little hope, maybe not too much, but only if more thoughtful people have a stake in the matter, and work to express their opinions, to change the atmosphere maybe a little bit.

The forces that will oppose this expression of populism will be vast, though.

It is the contrasts that give meaning to life, the chiaroscuro, and the drama.

Alex Jacob wrote:There are many people who have voted sporadically, or not at all. This election though has far more meaning for many more people. I met people at the Democratic headquarters recently who explained they were never political until now, and now it meant something to them, and they simply had to act in some way, and they were engaged with gusto. Their concern, therefor, completely trumps your flip of a coin attitude, Tomas.

Obama as president will be able to do very little, and who is really certain what should be done? The only hope here is that millions of people have made an effort to get into the political process, and maybe they will get politicized, and maybe they will be able to influence some policies. I think we can have a little hope, maybe not too much, but only if more thoughtful people have a stake in the matter, and work to express their opinions, to change the atmosphere maybe a little bit.

The forces that will oppose this expression of populism will be vast, though.

It is the contrasts that give meaning to life, the chiaroscuro, and the drama.

Oh Jesus, Alex.

Same shit (not you personally) spouted every four years. Like clockwork.

All these unconscious people "getting involved" for the first time. Just vote Democratic/Republican for "real change".

Biden/Palin are a couple of energizer bunnies, huh?

That's what it took for Iolaus to get involved. Wow!

Sure as the sun rises in the East, you can bet some new bogeyman will be invented, some new crisis to "test" the mettle of the new Oval Office resident.

With a Democratic super-majority in the offing, whoever gets in will be pulled to the left .. all canoes drift downstream with my tax money :-(

PS- If you live in a state with an abundance of Democratic-leaning voters, your vote is wasted. It's the Electoral College baby, that's where the action is .. that's what is keeping McCain in the running and why he's pouring scarce money into those.

-Anna quotes from The Plain Truth-A letter from the Palindeceptions.com website:

Everyone should read the New York Times article carefully. It raises questions about McCain's health as well - and of course that impacts Palin.

-tomas-Oh, I'll just get right on it .. I was unconscious before you brought it up.

Oh, my! It's horrible! All those years on a Navy carrier, soaking up those deadly, sunshine rays! Geez McCain, didn't you know better than to serve your country? You shouldda got a law degree like Biden (five Draft deferments) and schmoozed your way to the top!

Note: Cheney (Draft deferments too) - "I had more important things to do."

-Anna quotes the Bible-There's plenty of material on YouTube to do so.

-tomas-If it's on YouTube it must be true! (Polly want a cracker?)

-Anna flips through an old Playgirl mag-Sarah "Tight Abs" Palin and the First Dude in the White House? It would be laughable if it wasn't so serious and possibly real.

-tomas-You are a little late, Larry Flint already has a porn star lined up to do Palin videos.

-Anna summons the porn surfmeister-Oh, and Alex, could you please find that utube vid of Palin in the 80's strutting the catwalk in her pink bathing suit?

-tomas-Alex has nothing better to do than put his YouTube porn catalog for all to see.

"Hey Voyeur Boy, get right on it, Anna said so."

Geez Anna, this is the best you can do?

-Anna-She was Sarah Heath then.

-tomas-Barack was Barry Soweto then.

PS - The Daley Machine will reward you to a 'Night With Hillary' at some third-class motel in Cicero County, Illinois. (Bill will be in the corner watching)

urbane adjective: characterized by tact and proprietyadjective: marked by wide-ranging knowledge and appreciation of many parts of the world arising from urban life and wide traveladjective: showing a high degree of refinement and the assurance that comes from wide social experience

And since when is being Ivy educated something to sneer at?

-brokie-I do not have a thing against women in politics. I do have a thing about this woman. She's massively unqualified for the job she wants us to give her. Her judgement is faulty. Blatantly so.

-tomas-More inane talk.

Some of us think with our big heads and not our little heads.

-brokie-The difference is Al Gore is more educated and and makes an effort to... golly, take an interest in current events?

-tomas-No wonder, he never worked a day in his life. His dad paid his way through university. Though he flunked his law exam the first time around, ditto for his theology exam (guess "god" had higher hopes for him) His son Gore-III busted for 4 different drugs in his possession. Yup, all-American family!

Sounds pretty all-American to me. Oh, I forgot - you have had no bumps in your road. There's a reason you fly under the radar, as you put it. You can safely snipe at other people - anyone who wasn't in the service or who doesn't look good with her hair in a bun.

Tomas, you are intellectually vacant, at least on this issue.

-brokenhead-A lot of people feed families. There are tons of single working mothers out there that manage. That doesn't qualify them to be president or VP. And a lot of them would know better than to let ambition get in the way of raising their families.

-tomas-You didn't say anything.

Yes I did. I said: "A LOT OF PEOPLE FEED FAMILIES. THERE ARE TONS OF SONGLE WORKING MOTHERS OUT THERE THAT MANAGE. THAT DOESN'T QUALIFY THEM TO BE PRESIDENT OR VP. AND A LOT OF THEM WOULD KNOW BETTER THAN TO LET AMBITION GET IN THE WAY OF RAISING THEIR FAMILIES."Your hearing aid run down or something?

Alex Jacob wrote:So Tomas, are you voting for Biden/Obama or not? Stop beating around the bush, please...

Oh yeah, forgot - You're down at Democratic party headquarters working for ACORN.. handing out cartons of cigarettes to get people to sign up...

Beginning in 1972 .. the past nine presidential election cycles, I've not pulled the switch for president or vice president (no write-in zilch-o). This time around, probably not.

PS - I'm still in North Dakota, helping out various farmers bringing in the corn crops, we had a hard freeze a couple nights ago. Shouldda been back in Cali at my business, but the girlfriend is running it in my absense.

Suppose I could hang around and go to the polls in Dakota, on the 4th of November to vote for the presidential electors. But then, I wouldn't be able to vote for my state assembly (slave-masters). Too late for the California absentee ballot... California is going Biden/Obama so my protest vote for Ralph Nader would go up in smoke along with beating around the bush for a couple hits off Cheech & Chong's spliffy.

You see, Alex, my life is more important than some fairytale ending in Foggy Bottom, DC :-)

Tata,

Tomas

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-brokenhead-Don't you get it, Tomas? She's not urbane. At the very, very least, a president or vice president should be urbane.

Class Will Tell

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While Palin threatens class solidarity, Obama is emollient. The more urbane members of the Hyde Park community are cleverer than their Wasilla counterparts and believe that they have captured Obama for their class--just as Richard Stern persuades himself that the still-radical couple he dines with are merely Unitarians in a hurry. But the man who may be president is cleverer still.