2010-12-09 16:00:26 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: good day2010-12-09 16:00:39 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: how is everyone?2010-12-09 16:00:54 [Message] manuj -> Chat: hey fib2010-12-09 16:00:57 [Message] sp 112358 -> Chat: Hi2010-12-09 16:01:05 [Message] manuj -> Chat: finally i am in the live chat :-)2010-12-09 16:01:09 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: howdy Manuj...great you could join us!2010-12-09 16:01:33 [Message] manuj -> Chat: doing good. exciting to be here.2010-12-09 16:01:36 [Message] manuj -> Chat: lots to learn2010-12-09 16:01:36 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: OK...any questions or comments before we get started??2010-12-09 16:01:50 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: every day...that's all we do here..learn2010-12-09 16:02:20 [Message] sp 112358 -> Chat: Okay but uncomfortable. Small change in the FTSE MCO, which when it occurs at the same time as the US indices, greatly increases the probability of a large move soon.2010-12-09 16:03:01 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the interesting thing about the small change indicator2010-12-09 16:03:03 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: is that when we get multiple days of this2010-12-09 16:03:43 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: it tends to turn into more of short term (3-6 weeks) trend indicator as opposed to just the next day2010-12-09 16:04:02 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: to be sure...there is a tremendous amount of tension on the tape right now2010-12-09 16:04:27 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: this is why the prudent position to take over the last couple of days was to stand aside and wait for something to happen2010-12-09 16:04:39 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: chop chop chop2010-12-09 16:05:10 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: want to see what happens when one stock trades half of the total trading volume in one day?2010-12-09 16:05:23 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: http://www.decisionpoint.com/prime/dailycharts/McOsi_Vol_XLF.html2010-12-09 16:05:54 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: now...I wrote a note to Carl this morning about this and suggested that we do this as a ratio adjusted basis2010-12-09 16:06:25 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: pretty amazing...the stock, btw, was Citibank2010-12-09 16:06:55 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: so...I think we'll pay no mind to the XLF volume McClellan's until this can be worked off and use the XLF breadth data as our guide2010-12-09 16:09:14 [Message] manuj -> Chat: but aren't other TRINs out of order too e.g. NASDAQ etc.2010-12-09 16:09:24 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: NASDAQ TRIN is fine as C doesn't trade on this market2010-12-09 16:09:28 [Message] manuj -> Chat: ok2010-12-09 16:11:33 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the CO NYSE breadth MCO moved a bit higher today2010-12-09 16:11:56 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: while both the MCO components remain in a bullish configuration2010-12-09 16:12:04 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: as we've talked about now for over a week2010-12-09 16:12:19 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: it isn't the best thing to try to short the market when the MCO components are in this current position2010-12-09 16:12:41 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: you would want to see either a crossover of the 10% trend through the 5% 2010-12-09 16:12:52 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: or at least have both Trend models below their zero line2010-12-09 16:12:56 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: until this occurs2010-12-09 16:13:13 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: any corrections will be that of the intraday variety...and they will also be rather shallow as well2010-12-09 16:13:42 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the actual "depth" of a price correction in this current configuration does have a lot to do with the position of the MCSUM2010-12-09 16:13:53 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and looking at the CO NYSE breadth MCSUM2010-12-09 16:14:20 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: we see that it is close to minimally "overbought" now with a reading of +4882010-12-09 16:14:29 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: one of the options we were looking for last week2010-12-09 16:15:01 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: was to see the CO MCSUM attempt to snapback to or towards the +500 line after breaking below it 2 weeks ago2010-12-09 16:15:27 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: with this move higher2010-12-09 16:15:48 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: we can now call this obligatory technical phenomenon now complete2010-12-09 16:16:14 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: moving to the NYSE composite2010-12-09 16:16:36 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: we have close to a small point change...but not quite within the guidelines2010-12-09 16:16:52 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the guidelines are a change of 4 point to none on the MCO2010-12-09 16:17:17 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: here in the chat room, since DP deals in decimals on this data, we allow up to 4.52010-12-09 16:17:36 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: in essence, though, we are continuing to compress here2010-12-09 16:17:46 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and compression eventually gets released2010-12-09 16:17:58 [Message] manuj -> Chat: means if the change is less than 4.5 - then ignore that change? sorry for all newbie questions2010-12-09 16:18:13 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: so our objective here is not to lead off in "thinking" which way we're likely to go2010-12-09 16:18:32 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but to wait for this move to begin and then climbing on board2010-12-09 16:18:43 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: no...everything counts2010-12-09 16:18:58 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but it's not in guidelines...strictly speaking2010-12-09 16:19:00 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: regardless2010-12-09 16:19:11 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: we have compression with the numbers are less than 52010-12-09 16:19:24 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and one side is about to take control2010-12-09 16:19:33 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: usually this is the next two trading days2010-12-09 16:19:44 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but this has been going on now for almost a week2010-12-09 16:20:13 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: so although a big move is coming, as we talked about in the beginning of chat, the move will likely be a multi day event2010-12-09 16:20:34 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: looking back at the NYSE breadth MCO2010-12-09 16:20:34 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: We got a bearish divergence today on NYSE Comp, I think2010-12-09 16:20:41 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: checking2010-12-09 16:21:26 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: nope,...not yet2010-12-09 16:21:41 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the closing high in early November was 7800.662010-12-09 16:21:44 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: From the December 3 high in MCO2010-12-09 16:21:58 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: we closed today at 7782.142010-12-09 16:22:08 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: divergence is taken from extremes in pattern2010-12-09 16:22:19 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: we have to compare like examples2010-12-09 16:22:29 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: so until we take out the last high point in price2010-12-09 16:22:57 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and since we're dealing with information that is "settled" after all the i's are dotted and t's are crossed2010-12-09 16:23:04 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: we have to be consistent2010-12-09 16:23:16 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: make sense?2010-12-09 16:23:26 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: Yes2010-12-09 16:23:29 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: so far we only have momentum divergence NOT trend divergence2010-12-09 16:23:58 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: it is trend divergence that gives us the highest degree of usefulness in our trading2010-12-09 16:24:19 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: whether it be daily, weekly, monthly, or even as little as 5 minutes2010-12-09 16:24:34 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: you treat the MCO as any other oscillator comparison2010-12-09 16:24:58 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: you also treat the MCSUM the same way as they are both oscillators2010-12-09 16:25:16 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: back to the NYSE breadth MCO2010-12-09 16:25:35 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: what we do notice is that we did finish our snapback to the zero line yesterday2010-12-09 16:25:40 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: closed slightly below it2010-12-09 16:25:50 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and what usually happens after a trend line break?2010-12-09 16:25:55 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: yes...we snapback2010-12-09 16:26:02 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: this is what occurred today2010-12-09 16:26:17 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: short term2010-12-09 16:26:24 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the MCO has a bottom above a bottom in place2010-12-09 16:26:37 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but longer term2010-12-09 16:26:50 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: going back to the highs seen in July2010-12-09 16:27:02 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: we have a nice series of tops beneath tops controlling the pattern2010-12-09 16:27:40 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: in technical analysis we always give the benefit of any doubt to the longest, and therefore, strongest line until PROVEN otherwise2010-12-09 16:28:10 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: so our expectation here since we moved below zero, and have snapped back, is for additional time to take place below the zero line2010-12-09 16:28:22 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and this is what we had as our blueprint from last week2010-12-09 16:28:29 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: now remember2010-12-09 16:28:37 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: even if we do move lower from here2010-12-09 16:28:58 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: this doesn't necessarily mean that your going to see prices move in lock step either2010-12-09 16:29:04 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: as it all depends on what's being sold2010-12-09 16:29:27 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: this is why we fortunate to have the subset charts available to us here at DP2010-12-09 16:29:43 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: for they give us a more rounded view of not only the direction of broader money flow2010-12-09 16:30:10 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but from where it's moving into and out of as money tends to do2010-12-09 16:30:30 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: looking at the NYSE MCO components2010-12-09 16:30:39 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and we see that we have a crossover sell signal in place now2010-12-09 16:30:41 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but we are still above the zero line2010-12-09 16:31:05 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: so even if we do move lower here we're pretty sure of two things2010-12-09 16:31:37 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: first...there will likely be a zero line bounce before we see any downward movement below these same zero lines2010-12-09 16:31:41 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and second2010-12-09 16:32:23 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: because the MCO is below the zero line, and the components are above their zero lines, we should expect corrective and not trending price movement2010-12-09 16:32:33 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: which means if you have the stomach to short here2010-12-09 16:32:46 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: you should continue to play hit and run2010-12-09 16:32:55 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: take your 5 points...and bank it2010-12-09 16:32:59 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: or 3 points2010-12-09 16:33:01 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: or 7 points2010-12-09 16:33:13 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: whatever tools you use to time your positions intraday respect them when they tell you sell (or cover)2010-12-09 16:33:37 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: play it smart...not emotional2010-12-09 16:33:58 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the other thing to consider here2010-12-09 16:34:17 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: is really, in all honestly, the bears are really running out of time here 2010-12-09 16:34:33 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: because money continues to move into the SML and the NASDAQ2010-12-09 16:34:44 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: this suggests to us that liquidity is more than ample2010-12-09 16:35:02 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and if there is so much of it that sellers can't move the market lower2010-12-09 16:35:10 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: then eventually they are going to give up2010-12-09 16:35:17 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and we're going to power higher2010-12-09 16:35:32 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: so don't think for one moment that the market MUST sell off here2010-12-09 16:36:03 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: reading the TT board over the last couple of days and I have never seen so many traders "begging" for a decline to begin2010-12-09 16:36:16 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: every day is the top and continue to disregard the broader market2010-12-09 16:36:34 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: big mistake2010-12-09 16:36:41 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: we'll see how it goes2010-12-09 16:36:58 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: in here...we have also been looking for a reasonable expectation of a decline2010-12-09 16:37:23 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but with a keen eye on letting the market do the talking here2010-12-09 16:37:48 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: moving to the NASDAQ data2010-12-09 16:38:03 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and the NASDAQ breadth MCO also had a small move today..but higher2010-12-09 16:38:45 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and its now testing the early November highs which is where our demarcation point is of treating the current action as a consolidation or a the start of a new trend2010-12-09 16:38:56 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: looking at the NASDAQ breadth MCSUM2010-12-09 16:39:14 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and we can see that it's now approaching its +250 level2010-12-09 16:39:38 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but if we take a closer look of this MCSUM with the 21 day chart2010-12-09 16:40:00 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and you will see that we have now filled the resistance gap we talked about on Tuesday as being the "bears last stand"2010-12-09 16:40:06 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: so quietly the NASDAQ is breaking out here to the upside2010-12-09 16:40:29 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and you can see this with the price data2010-12-09 16:40:53 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: this is definitely not a market you want to short right now2010-12-09 16:41:10 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: if anything...you will get your most bang for your money by playing the long side2010-12-09 16:41:42 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the NDX breadth MCO continues to hang around its zero line2010-12-09 16:41:47 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: so no one wants to take control 2010-12-09 16:42:07 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and this has "forced" the NDX breadth MCSUM to move sideways in "overbought" territory2010-12-09 16:42:39 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: here is a great example of how little conviction the bears have currently2010-12-09 16:42:57 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: they were only able to move this MCSUM to just below the +750 level2010-12-09 16:43:07 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but haven't really done anything since2010-12-09 16:43:20 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: this is a sign of great strength for the this market2010-12-09 16:43:42 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: of course, things can drip drip drip and then open up a wound2010-12-09 16:44:05 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but you can't go out and lead off on this kind of idea2010-12-09 16:44:43 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: after snapping back to or towards its zero line, the SPX breadth MCO is now moving higher again2010-12-09 16:45:04 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and this is taking place at the magical +500 level on the SPX breadth MCSUM2010-12-09 16:45:13 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: if the bulls can create an advancing gap here at the +500 level2010-12-09 16:45:18 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the bears will run for cover2010-12-09 16:45:27 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and more than likely2010-12-09 16:45:40 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: we will be able to power above the early November MCO highs 2010-12-09 16:45:55 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: ah oh2010-12-09 16:46:08 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the bears are losing their grip here2010-12-09 16:46:14 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: look at the OEX breadth MCO2010-12-09 16:46:26 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: snapback to its zero line and has today made a new high2010-12-09 16:46:57 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: this thrust higher has given us our first gap expansion to the upside on the OEX breadth MCSUM2010-12-09 16:47:11 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the larger the distance of the gaps2010-12-09 16:47:24 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the more or less the money is either coming in or going out of the market2010-12-09 16:47:40 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and this is "something different" given the longevity of the OEX breadth MCO staying below its zero line2010-12-09 16:48:08 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the expectation was for a failure after the snapback to zero 2010-12-09 16:48:13 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: we're not getting that now2010-12-09 16:48:16 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: however2010-12-09 16:48:36 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: this "something different" will not be confirmed until we take out the November MCO highs2010-12-09 16:48:40 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but it's a whisper and needs our respect for what it may imply2010-12-09 16:49:08 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the other bullish indication here2010-12-09 16:49:24 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: is that the OEX MCO components are in lock step with the MCO itself2010-12-09 16:49:35 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: so we have good rhythm here2010-12-09 16:49:49 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: add to that the OEX breadth MCSUM was able to find technical support at its zero line before turning higher2010-12-09 16:50:28 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and you have all the markings of a re-initiation of a trend beginning2010-12-09 16:50:47 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and remember folks2010-12-09 16:50:51 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: we're compressed here2010-12-09 16:50:57 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: as we've talked about all summer2010-12-09 16:51:12 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: it's going to take a lot of energy to break decisively above the April highs2010-12-09 16:51:23 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: this energy factor IS compression2010-12-09 16:51:43 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and now since we have relieved our "overbought" conditions on an intermediate term basis2010-12-09 16:51:59 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: we CAN see an advancing trend can, in fact, begin2010-12-09 16:52:08 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: besides... wouldn't this be equal and opposite of what the majority has been looking for this week?2010-12-09 16:52:47 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: first it was the short term "overbought" indicators2010-12-09 16:52:51 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: then it was WWW2010-12-09 16:53:08 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and still we churn away without any sense of decline2010-12-09 16:53:17 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: just be cautious here if you're itching to short and watch your breadth plurality2010-12-09 16:53:29 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: not only tomorrow, but next week as well while I'm away2010-12-09 16:53:42 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and remember that the chat room is available to use while I'm away in case you folks want to throw things around2010-12-09 16:54:45 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: after finding snapback support at its zero line, the Dow breadth MCO moved to a higher high today2010-12-09 16:55:12 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: so unlike last Tuesday where we talking about leaving the troops alone and look after the generals for bearish leadership2010-12-09 16:55:27 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: now the brass is slowly coming around to what the troops are leading2010-12-09 16:55:37 [Message] manuj -> Chat: wow - the dow closed down but mco moved higher.2010-12-09 16:55:57 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: do not discount this2010-12-09 16:56:01 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: yes2010-12-09 16:56:16 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: good observation...well it was down 22010-12-09 16:56:25 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: call it flat2010-12-09 16:56:27 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but still2010-12-09 16:56:54 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: there was enough buying being done, on a short term trend basis (the MCO), that we did move higher2010-12-09 16:56:59 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: Generals have picked up steam2010-12-09 16:57:24 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: well...let's call it that their slowing coming around to the troops opinion2010-12-09 16:57:36 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: that a path has been cleared for them to follow without getting any dirt on their nice uniforms 2010-12-09 16:58:01 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: 2010-12-09 16:58:11 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but it's little things like this that do matter in this area of analysis2010-12-09 16:58:19 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: they may not look like much2010-12-09 16:58:49 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but you have to consider that it takes more energy to move a trend in one direction or the other than it does to a one day wonder2010-12-09 16:59:04 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: so while the Dow has been chopping away2010-12-09 16:59:13 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: there's been little selling2010-12-09 16:59:19 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and today there was more buying than selling on average2010-12-09 16:59:44 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the Dow point total then can be anything2010-12-09 16:59:47 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: for example2010-12-09 16:59:59 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: if buying was taking place in 29 of the 30 stocks2010-12-09 17:00:05 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and IBM was the lone loser2010-12-09 17:00:19 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the Dow average could be down for the day given the high weight of IBM2010-12-09 17:00:34 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: so context is always important 2010-12-09 17:00:53 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: anyone can say...look the Dow was only down 2 points today2010-12-09 17:01:12 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but it's what goes on underneath that will determine what will happen the next day, the next week, or the next month2010-12-09 17:01:26 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: prices will FOLLOW money flow2010-12-09 17:01:36 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: that's just the way things are2010-12-09 17:01:44 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: breadth leads price2010-12-09 17:02:01 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and what we see with the McClellan's is that the short term trend of money flow as measured by the NYAD line (that of 4-6 weeks)2010-12-09 17:02:54 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and the intermediate term trend of this same money flow as measured by the NYAD line with the MCSUM (that of 6 weeks to 3 months)2010-12-09 17:02:59 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: that's it2010-12-09 17:03:06 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: that's all we really want to know2010-12-09 17:03:16 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: once we know this important information2010-12-09 17:03:40 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: we then see if other tools or methodologies will FIT what money flow is telling us direction is likely to be2010-12-09 17:03:51 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: it's never the other way around2010-12-09 17:04:04 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: everything technical is based on the NYAD line2010-12-09 17:04:11 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: it is the backbone of technical analysis2010-12-09 17:04:22 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: without it, you would have nothing to analyze2010-12-09 17:04:40 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: Hi Fib, I just realized yesterday that the MCSUM is the same as the MACD (19,39) of the cumulative advance decline line. I had thought about it as the cumulation of the daily MCO values. It is that as well but it is also the a MACD of the cumulative advance decline line. Is that correctly understood? 2010-12-09 17:05:07 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: yes2010-12-09 17:05:11 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: 2010-12-09 17:05:15 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: you can use those settings intraday 2010-12-09 17:05:20 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: on the TICK2010-12-09 17:05:21 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: I do2010-12-09 17:05:24 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: good2010-12-09 17:05:27 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but remember2010-12-09 17:05:38 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the MCO works its best magic on time stamps2010-12-09 17:05:49 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: stamps?2010-12-09 17:05:50 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: what time frame are you using?2010-12-09 17:06:01 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: 1 minute on the tick2010-12-09 17:06:08 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: whew2010-12-09 17:06:12 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: lol2010-12-09 17:06:18 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: 2010-12-09 17:06:23 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: youngsters2010-12-09 17:06:28 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: what are you going to do?2010-12-09 17:06:36 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: I do not trade a lot on it yet2010-12-09 17:06:39 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: here's my experience2010-12-09 17:06:51 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: play with it on a 5 minute time period first2010-12-09 17:07:01 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but 5 minute is only for fine tuning2010-12-09 17:07:15 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: if you use anything less than 5 minutes you're going to get whipsawed2010-12-09 17:07:32 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: now...a time stamp is, in this case, every 5 minute closing sequence2010-12-09 17:07:50 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: you want to compare a "settled" period2010-12-09 17:07:54 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: OK. Got it2010-12-09 17:08:02 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: play with this 2010-12-09 17:08:06 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: try an hourly first2010-12-09 17:08:16 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and then go to the 15 minute2010-12-09 17:08:22 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: allow yourself some time both in the time flow and absorbing the data in different periods2010-12-09 17:08:51 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: anything less than 15 minutes should only be used as a trigger point to compliment the higher time values2010-12-09 17:09:24 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: back in 1999 (or so)2010-12-09 17:09:40 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: I did a TICK tutorial for Elliott Wave International2010-12-09 17:10:06 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: I really should see if it's still on their server and post it to TW2010-12-09 17:10:15 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: In order to not get an arbitrary ticks2010-12-09 17:10:16 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: it will show you how to utilize the TICK in this fashion2010-12-09 17:10:25 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the TICK is the TICK2010-12-09 17:10:28 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: OK. That would be great2010-12-09 17:10:35 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: it is a matching of a buyers and sellers2010-12-09 17:10:49 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: it's breadth, but right the time of execution2010-12-09 17:10:50 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: Yes but if you only read it every 5 minutes. It can be anywhere2010-12-09 17:10:55 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: it can2010-12-09 17:11:01 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: that's why I suggest an hourly platform2010-12-09 17:11:14 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: I would play with it on paper first2010-12-09 17:11:33 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: get yourself used to the rhythm and how it reacts in conjunction to the daily forecasts2010-12-09 17:11:51 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: everything must work together to get a preferred outcome2010-12-09 17:12:05 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: you can't have this part out of sync2010-12-09 17:12:13 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: if you do that, you're just trading on a bias2010-12-09 17:12:25 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: you must leave any biases that you might have at the trading door2010-12-09 17:12:45 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: nice to know...but these biases have very little to do with making money2010-12-09 17:12:55 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: So true2010-12-09 17:12:56 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: you're looking for cadence2010-12-09 17:13:05 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: you're looking for rhythm2010-12-09 17:13:28 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: you're looking for ebb and flow...just like going to the beach and watching the tide move in and out2010-12-09 17:13:45 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: if you time the tide correctly, you can anticipate the rhythm2010-12-09 17:13:56 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: this is what surfers do2010-12-09 17:14:09 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the same playbook applies here2010-12-09 17:14:41 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: you will always see others come up with this tool or this indicator and proudly proclaim their opinion 2010-12-09 17:15:19 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but these same people tend not to have substantive examples to back their opinions up when questioned2010-12-09 17:15:37 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: this is why I believe it's important to respect any work any one does in this business2010-12-09 17:16:02 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but the real meat in understanding is to question or challenge these same people when things don't add up2010-12-09 17:16:26 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: if they're worth their weight, they will answer directly and give examples to share2010-12-09 17:16:35 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: if not...the nasty side comes out and you should move on2010-12-09 17:17:05 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: True2010-12-09 17:17:21 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: this is how you differentiate between what or who you should respect and those you really shouldn't waste your time with because they WILL pollute your style and skill set2010-12-09 17:17:31 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: anyway...onward2010-12-09 17:17:46 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the MID breadth MCO moved slightly higher today2010-12-09 17:17:54 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but is still below the highs of earlier this week2010-12-09 17:18:17 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and STILL below the more important MCO highs of early November2010-12-09 17:18:36 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: so the potential of bearish divergence remains2010-12-09 17:18:41 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but looking at the components2010-12-09 17:18:53 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: we see that the bulls still remain in control of the near term action...2010-12-09 17:19:06 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: as if they are lurking behind a rock or a tree and sizing up the situation2010-12-09 17:19:15 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: How would it move from potential to real divergence?2010-12-09 17:19:34 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: divergence is only triggered once the previous low point is violated2010-12-09 17:19:49 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: OK. Sure2010-12-09 17:19:54 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: in this case, that would be the end November lows on the MCO2010-12-09 17:20:08 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: there's only the potential for now2010-12-09 17:20:13 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: it should be respected, but in all reality, it can't be traded2010-12-09 17:20:40 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the bull divergence though is reality2010-12-09 17:20:53 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: how far it takes us is always debatable2010-12-09 17:21:07 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: so until the bears show some power here2010-12-09 17:21:21 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: you have to give the nod to the bulls until they lose their power2010-12-09 17:21:36 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: it's important to keep things as simple as possible2010-12-09 17:21:58 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and to not allow your bias or opinion get in the way of what you see is the actual case in hand2010-12-09 17:22:25 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: if the market starts to agree with your bias, in this case triggering bear divergence, then go for it2010-12-09 17:22:45 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but until then...you trade what you see2010-12-09 17:22:57 [Message] manuj -> Chat: so for now stay long. but keep your finger ready to go short?2010-12-09 17:23:10 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the important thing here is that we should always be looking for reasons of why our analysis can be wrong2010-12-09 17:23:32 [Message] manuj -> Chat: or better to stay cash for now until bulls and bears fight it out a bit longer2010-12-09 17:23:35 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but until it triggers a new sequence to trade, we just remain vigilant2010-12-09 17:23:50 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: with the MCO's close to their zero lines2010-12-09 17:23:59 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: it means that both sides are evenly matched2010-12-09 17:24:10 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: as the MCO moves in one direction or the other2010-12-09 17:24:27 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: there is more and more money moving in that direction2010-12-09 17:24:41 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: think of the zero line as an equal amount of buyers and sellers2010-12-09 17:24:57 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: if you had 100 traders...50% would be buyers, and 50% would be sellers2010-12-09 17:25:16 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the more that ratio changes, the more power that side has to move prices in their direction2010-12-09 17:25:18 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: so, if anything2010-12-09 17:25:35 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: with many of the MCO's slightly above their zero lines2010-12-09 17:25:56 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: you can remain in cash...on nibble...with a bullish bias until PROVEN otherwise2010-12-09 17:26:18 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: our job here, first and foremost, is to determine direction2010-12-09 17:26:41 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: which way will yield the easiest work in making a profitable trade just that2010-12-09 17:26:49 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: we don't want to work to too hard to do so2010-12-09 17:27:10 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: having to go over indicators and charts every day or every weekend is a lot of work2010-12-09 17:27:43 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: what we want to do with this work is to make a list of candidates that will be used depending on the direction the market takes2010-12-09 17:28:08 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: if we go higher...we have a list of bullish chart configuration to work with2010-12-09 17:28:17 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: if we go lower...equal and opposite2010-12-09 17:28:23 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the strong get stronger2010-12-09 17:28:29 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the weak get weaker2010-12-09 17:28:35 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: probability and outcome that's all this is2010-12-09 17:28:43 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: this is a casino2010-12-09 17:28:53 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and the worlds largest at that2010-12-09 17:29:07 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: if you go into a casino without any technical skill, it's not likely you're going to get out of there with any money2010-12-09 17:29:38 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: so that's our objective 2010-12-09 17:29:56 [Message] manuj -> Chat: absolutely right2010-12-09 17:29:59 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: to try to have as many directional indicators in our corner2010-12-09 17:30:12 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and then we find a way to best exploit that direction2010-12-09 17:30:18 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: that's it2010-12-09 17:30:32 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and the best way to understand direction2010-12-09 17:30:36 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and more to the point2010-12-09 17:30:56 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the amplitude of how far and how wide a trending move is likely to go2010-12-09 17:31:00 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: comes with the McClellan's and the raw advance/decline line2010-12-09 17:31:25 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: what the advance/decline line actually is actual money that is available that can be used for investment2010-12-09 17:32:13 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: not that it will be used2010-12-09 17:32:31 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but it's shows us how much actual liquidity (fuel) there is for prices to feed off of2010-12-09 17:32:55 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: if we then find a way to measure the speed and the how far this money can be applied to prices2010-12-09 17:33:05 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: How come the AD line reveals that?2010-12-09 17:33:26 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: we can then understand how a far and long a price pattern sequence is likely to last2010-12-09 17:33:40 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the AD line is money that is available for investment2010-12-09 17:33:59 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: it is the money flow aggregate of the equities market2010-12-09 17:34:44 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: it is the money that, after everything else has been used as an allocation, is left over for the market to either have prices rise or fall2010-12-09 17:34:52 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: there are 4 asset classes2010-12-09 17:34:54 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: gold2010-12-09 17:34:57 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: commodities2010-12-09 17:34:59 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: debt2010-12-09 17:35:02 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: equities2010-12-09 17:35:18 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: when monetary policy is loose2010-12-09 17:35:19 [Message] manuj -> Chat: when you say gold - can we assume all precious metals?2010-12-09 17:35:22 [Message] manuj -> Chat: or gold specifically2010-12-09 17:35:24 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: no...gold only2010-12-09 17:35:33 [Message] manuj -> Chat: ok2010-12-09 17:35:36 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: gold is different from precious metals...it stands on its own2010-12-09 17:35:41 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: think of it this way2010-12-09 17:35:51 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: think of the markets as a river2010-12-09 17:36:18 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: when the summer comes (tighter monetary policy) the level of the river recedes, and with it, all of its tributaries and ponds2010-12-09 17:36:40 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: these tributaries can be up river or down river2010-12-09 17:36:48 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: they include the major asset classes2010-12-09 17:37:01 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but they also include smaller ponds and streams2010-12-09 17:37:03 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: housing2010-12-09 17:37:10 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: ummm...savings2010-12-09 17:37:20 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: things that make the economic river flow2010-12-09 17:37:34 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: when the FED loosens monetary policy2010-12-09 17:37:43 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: as it would with letting water out from a dam2010-12-09 17:38:05 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: this raises the water level of the river to where ponds, streams start to rise as well2010-12-09 17:38:17 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the higher the river, the more tributaries it fills2010-12-09 17:38:18 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: now2010-12-09 17:38:30 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: gold is the first large pond that is fills after everything else becomes saturated2010-12-09 17:39:01 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: as any excesses in this same liquidity will over flow into this asset class first2010-12-09 17:39:14 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: when the level there gets too high2010-12-09 17:39:48 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: then it flows into other causeways, into commodities, and starts to fill that area up2010-12-09 17:39:56 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: then into debt2010-12-09 17:40:03 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and then finally into equities2010-12-09 17:40:39 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the measuring stick, if you will, that we use to measure the depth of this equity liquidity "pond" is the A/D line2010-12-09 17:41:10 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the more we have to work with, the more boats that will be raised by this water level2010-12-09 17:41:11 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: Fib, I understand how liquidity moves from one asset class to another or from one sector to another in the stock market. But I have difficulty grasping why the AD line is a measure of liquidity. How come it works as a measure for liquidity?2010-12-09 17:41:33 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: now whether or not these boats move out to the river or not, that is always our debate here2010-12-09 17:41:47 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: it's a dip stick2010-12-09 17:41:56 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: 2010-12-09 17:41:57 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the premise here 2010-12-09 17:42:10 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: is that the equity markets are ALWAYS in a bear market2010-12-09 17:42:12 [Message] manuj -> Chat: fib, by debt you mean bonds?2010-12-09 17:42:24 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: yes...debt is bonds to bills2010-12-09 17:42:31 [Message] manuj -> Chat: ok2010-12-09 17:42:36 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: it takes money to move prices higher2010-12-09 17:42:53 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: it takes excess money to be available to move prices higher2010-12-09 17:43:01 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the more money there is2010-12-09 17:43:19 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: That is a good explanation! Thanks2010-12-09 17:43:48 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the more likely that with everything else either "full", or fully valued or over valued, this same money will be applied because...2010-12-09 17:43:59 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: money know what money likes and money likes to make more money2010-12-09 17:44:08 [Message] manuj -> Chat: that markets are more liquid than ever with all the printing. but is that true wealth in terms of buying power?2010-12-09 17:44:15 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: 2010-12-09 17:44:28 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: it doesn't really matter WHY we have high liquidity levels2010-12-09 17:45:13 [Message] manuj -> Chat: let me re-phrase the question. can the liquidity become too intense that money starts to lose its true value to be able to raise price2010-12-09 17:45:51 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: all we really care about is...is there enough money to not only keep prices from falling back to the default of a bear market (high level consolidation), but is there also enough for it to push for more demand, that will shrink supply, which increases the valued of the product?2010-12-09 17:46:16 [Message] manuj -> Chat: ok2010-12-09 17:46:23 [Message] thespookyone -> Chat: what would be the order of money moving out of the asset classes?2010-12-09 17:46:24 [Message] manuj -> Chat: makes sense. sorta :-)2010-12-09 17:46:27 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: your re-phrase has little to do with technical analysis as it would have more to do with fundamental analysis2010-12-09 17:46:36 [Message] manuj -> Chat: got it2010-12-09 17:46:50 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: first in - first out Lew2010-12-09 17:46:59 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: think of gold as a savings account2010-12-09 17:47:11 [Message] thespookyone -> Chat: thanks, thought so but needed to confirm2010-12-09 17:47:17 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: money moves there first where everything else is already perceived as fully valued2010-12-09 17:47:41 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: gold has intrinsic value2010-12-09 17:47:46 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: it is solid2010-12-09 17:47:54 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: you can hold it in your hand2010-12-09 17:47:58 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: its finite2010-12-09 17:48:04 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: as opposed to paper2010-12-09 17:48:18 [Message] thespookyone -> Chat: it's the only real money2010-12-09 17:48:33 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: it was chosen to be, yes2010-12-09 17:48:46 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: it could had been platinum2010-12-09 17:48:52 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but there isn't any in the middle east2010-12-09 17:49:10 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: anyway...did I answer the question?2010-12-09 17:49:15 [Message] thespookyone -> Chat: yes2010-12-09 17:49:19 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: (what was the question anyway? lol )2010-12-09 17:49:24 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: first in first out (FIFO). In what sense?2010-12-09 17:49:42 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: again...if you have a lot of money2010-12-09 17:49:47 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and you spent it on cars2010-12-09 17:49:49 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and homes2010-12-09 17:49:53 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and whatever else2010-12-09 17:50:00 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and you still have some left over after that2010-12-09 17:50:06 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: you put it away for safe keeping2010-12-09 17:50:13 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: gold is the safe keeping2010-12-09 17:50:32 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and then if you find something you want because its either undervalued or attractive2010-12-09 17:50:41 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: you move this same excess out of your savings and buy it2010-12-09 17:51:03 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: same thought process here 2010-12-09 17:51:19 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: oh man...we need to wind this up2010-12-09 17:51:21 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: OK 2010-12-09 17:51:26 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: Thanks2010-12-09 17:51:26 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: let me go through the rest of the charts2010-12-09 17:51:40 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: small point change on the SML breadth MCO2010-12-09 17:51:53 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and like we talked about on Tuesday2010-12-09 17:52:04 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the SML breadth MCO has now snapped back to the +50 breakout area2010-12-09 17:52:18 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: if this MCO now goes higher2010-12-09 17:52:32 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: we are maybe 2 trading days away from making new highs on the SML breadth MCSUM2010-12-09 17:52:34 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: if this happens2010-12-09 17:52:50 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: it's very unlikely that we're going to see any kind of decline into the end of the year2010-12-09 17:53:13 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and a small point change tonight on the TM breadth MCO2010-12-09 17:53:20 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and a bounce off the zero line to boot2010-12-09 17:53:52 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: so...either we have a very powerful uptrend underway with a tremendous amount of liquidity keeping things buoyant2010-12-09 17:54:08 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: or we're going to see another couple of days of chop2010-12-09 17:54:22 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: for next week...just watch the breadth MCO's2010-12-09 17:54:33 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: if you see any of them take out their November highs2010-12-09 17:54:42 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: then look at their volume compliment2010-12-09 17:54:54 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: if they too are above their November highs2010-12-09 17:55:03 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: we should see a nice run into the end of the year2010-12-09 17:55:31 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: CVI's remain bullish here2010-12-09 17:55:41 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: STVO's are near term "overbought"2010-12-09 17:56:11 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: VTO's still have a lot of room to see continued positive money flow2010-12-09 17:56:23 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and with it...price breakouts2010-12-09 17:56:44 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: NYSE TRIN at .502010-12-09 17:56:55 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: Open 10 at .642010-12-09 17:57:04 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: ummm...2010-12-09 17:57:12 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: we have a problem here2010-12-09 17:57:12 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: That is the lowest value in like 10 years2010-12-09 17:57:21 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and it's not so much with the value of the Open 102010-12-09 17:57:28 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but it's the way it got there2010-12-09 17:57:42 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: if we take out C's volume the last couple of days2010-12-09 17:57:53 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: we wouldn't be as nearly "overbought"2010-12-09 17:57:55 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: lucky for us, however, the Open 10 only lasts 10 days and the skewing effect will be past by the time I get back2010-12-09 17:58:22 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: in the meantime2010-12-09 17:58:28 [Message] thespookyone -> Chat: then the volume indicators are skewed, as well?2010-12-09 17:58:33 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: I would use the NASDAQ Open 10 for guidance2010-12-09 17:58:45 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: I don't know2010-12-09 17:58:49 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: reason is2010-12-09 17:59:09 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: I don't know how exactly the volume oscillators are figured2010-12-09 17:59:11 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: however2010-12-09 17:59:16 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: they "look" OK2010-12-09 17:59:22 [Message] thespookyone -> Chat: ndx?2010-12-09 17:59:34 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: on the volume oscillators?2010-12-09 17:59:37 [Message] thespookyone -> Chat: yes2010-12-09 18:00:03 [Message] thespookyone -> Chat: on the volume MCO, sorry2010-12-09 18:00:11 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: since it seems to be closer to neutral based on the MCO and MCSUM, I would use it2010-12-09 18:00:19 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: volume?2010-12-09 18:00:41 [Message] thespookyone -> Chat: volume osc2010-12-09 18:00:44 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: I would follow the broader NASDAQ composite volume MCO2010-12-09 18:00:56 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: we want the broad market to lead the brass (NDX)2010-12-09 18:01:10 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: as long as that's maintained, we have to give the nod to the bulls2010-12-09 18:01:17 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: they're showing the muscle2010-12-09 18:01:26 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: they have the liquidity to move prices2010-12-09 18:01:50 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: NASDAQ TRIN at .802010-12-09 18:02:00 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: Open 10 at .862010-12-09 18:02:17 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: now...that makes sense given the direction of price and the internals2010-12-09 18:02:30 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: TM TRIN at .652010-12-09 18:02:38 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: Open 10 at .752010-12-09 18:02:42 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: "overbought"2010-12-09 18:02:46 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: so...2010-12-09 18:03:18 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the best forecast here is to continue to look for a retracement, or choppy behavior, with the market's bias to the upside2010-12-09 18:03:33 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: maybe it has to do with the garbage going on in DC2010-12-09 18:03:38 [Message] thespookyone -> Chat: it looks to me that the marginal utility of the liquidity is weakening2010-12-09 18:03:43 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but as has been the expectation here, I still believe that we're likely to chop around until next Friday2010-12-09 18:04:12 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: in what area specifically?2010-12-09 18:04:47 [Message] thespookyone -> Chat: well, we go from high breadth pumps to negative breadth pretty fast2010-12-09 18:05:11 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the rhythm here for the last few days has been with the bulls2010-12-09 18:05:16 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: we see nice openings, and then we sag through the day2010-12-09 18:05:32 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but we tend to hold just below unchanged2010-12-09 18:05:40 [Message] thespookyone -> Chat: the trin looks like a force, as well2010-12-09 18:05:43 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: this is bullish pattern behavior2010-12-09 18:05:52 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: I would discount the TRIN for now2010-12-09 18:06:11 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: it will only take 10 days to get Citibank's number to drop off2010-12-09 18:06:13 [Message] thespookyone -> Chat: I am, I wish citi was out of it, though2010-12-09 18:06:19 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: well...it's not2010-12-09 18:06:22 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: so we adjust2010-12-09 18:06:27 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: what we do know is, prior to Tuesday, we were looking for an "overbought" pull back2010-12-09 18:06:53 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: if it happens, it still wouldn't be a surprised2010-12-09 18:07:02 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but everyday that we don't pull back2010-12-09 18:07:20 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: is one less day the bears have to capitalize on an opening in the defense2010-12-09 18:07:31 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the hole gets plugged quickly2010-12-09 18:07:43 [Message] thespookyone -> Chat: agreed, just a bit dangerous around the zero line2010-12-09 18:07:45 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and then we go back to the line of scrimmage2010-12-09 18:07:54 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: it's the line of scrimmage2010-12-09 18:07:56 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: The ledge in NYSE Comp MCSUM, is that still a ledge?2010-12-09 18:08:08 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: each side is coming up with a play to move the ball forward2010-12-09 18:08:23 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: with the compression noted, we're likely to see a hail Mary pass2010-12-09 18:08:30 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the ledge is there2010-12-09 18:08:36 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but in the case of the NYSE composite breadth MCSUM, it's more of a broken ledge2010-12-09 18:08:50 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: sort of like...remember the Road Runner cartoons?2010-12-09 18:09:02 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and Wylie Coyote was standing at the ledge2010-12-09 18:09:07 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and a piece broke off?2010-12-09 18:09:16 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the same thing here2010-12-09 18:09:20 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: Yes2010-12-09 18:09:26 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: we're holding on to the rest of the ledge2010-12-09 18:09:41 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: will we pull ourselves up, or will we lose our hold?2010-12-09 18:09:52 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: that's the real question here2010-12-09 18:09:55 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: No price decay so far2010-12-09 18:10:00 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: nope2010-12-09 18:10:04 [Message] thespookyone -> Chat: I guess it also bothers me that much of the advance is done afterhours with no volume-before we open2010-12-09 18:10:06 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and it's not for a lack of trying2010-12-09 18:10:19 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: that will change soon Lew2010-12-09 18:10:34 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: we've noted this to be purely European driven rally2010-12-09 18:10:38 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: but money is rotating now2010-12-09 18:10:47 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: all we need is a spark2010-12-09 18:10:51 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: anything else?2010-12-09 18:11:11 [Message] thespookyone -> Chat: I'm with you on probable chop2010-12-09 18:11:28 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: the last couple of days convinced you, huh? 2010-12-09 18:11:32 [Message] PriceWatcher -> Chat: Have a nice vacation! 2010-12-09 18:11:36 [Message] thespookyone -> Chat: yep2010-12-09 18:11:39 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: thanks Tonny2010-12-09 18:11:47 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: I plan to get away from everything2010-12-09 18:11:47 [Message] tracca -> Chat: enjoy2010-12-09 18:11:48 [Message] thespookyone -> Chat: yes, enjoy!2010-12-09 18:11:50 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: clear my mind2010-12-09 18:11:58 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: so if there's nothing else2010-12-09 18:12:01 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: I'm going to take off2010-12-09 18:12:04 [Message] sp 112358 -> Chat: Have fun!2010-12-09 18:12:10 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: everyone have a great week of trading2010-12-09 18:12:20 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: and we'll do this again on the 21st2010-12-09 18:12:22 [Message] fib_1618 -> Chat: good night

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