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Daniel_Stuckey (2647775) writes Weeks after he started working quietly as an FBI informant, Hector Xavier Monsegur, known by his online alias "Sabu," led a cyber attack against one of the bureau's very own IT contractors. In July 2011, at Monsegur's urging, members of AntiSec, an offshoot of the hacking collective Anonymous, took advantage of compromised log-in credentials belonging to a contractor with a top secret security clearance employed at the time by ManTech International.

According to chat logs recorded by Monsegur at the behest of the FBI and obtained by Motherboard, the informant directed hackers to pilfer as much data as possible from ManTech's servers as investigators stood by. Stolen data was published as the third installment of AntiSec's ... collection of leaks intended to embarrass the same federal agency that presided over the hack and others.

Even in the modern world, you're still asking who to trust? Stop trusting, and STOP ASKING. The answer is "never" and it will always be "never." If you want to lie to yourself, you can start that wherever you can; you don't even have to trust yourself for that.;)

> This goes far beyond that. It's one thing for the FBI to use an agent provocateur to see if a wannabe-terrist is> radical enough to press the fake detonator on a fake bomb in order to get a conviction.

Except they don't even do that, its more like they look for people who can be conned into putting themselves into bad situations.

There was one guy, wasn't even a terrorist, was just a guy that if you asked him if he could get X for you, he would say yes, no matter what it was. They asked him for some s

You are working under the impression that dealing with people works smoothly like a software program, and there exists a fully working solution. Real life is about finding the path where the benefits are better then the costs.

Your example of the informant who rats out all his enemies and competition, while means he is still scum causing problems, it does prevent the others from doing so.

But what is even as common is the low level criminal, who isn't actually trying to be a bad person, but just to make a living because he doesn't know of an other way. Getting paid to rat out other criminals, including much higher level ones, can give him money to survive the next week and avoid crime until he needs the money again.

Hey, but if you find them, look up undercover investigation precedents. It might turn out that this has already been covered by the Courts, and that you're wrong.

If you want it to be different in the future, it would violate their rights to prosecute them for things that were legal at the time. If you want the rules to be the same for everybody, you don't get very far by tossing out the rights of those you would hold as equal.

Worse is they were also targeted minors. Luring them into commuting crimes, provide the tools, providing the knowledge and providing the targets, that is not only entrapment but also child abuse as they were minors. So that FBI not only participated but orchestrated child abuse and then sought to prosecute their victims, to which the courts turned a blind eye in the zeal to prosecute crimes that would never have happened without the FBI involvement. The FBI were off in lah lah land, pursing the global fien

A few cherry picked lines from a chat log and it really looks like Sabu is the mastermind behind everything... or not. Even with this garbage that's being presented out of context it looks like he's just doing what people do on chatters, answering questions and talking crap.

because you don't have bona fide FBI agents do the dirty work. Just in case things go south, and someone needs to take the blame having an outside team really helps.You also need a bad guy, because the FBI's funding is controlled by congress, and often debated by the public. Creating a need for enforcement and scaring the shits out of people is a great way to do that.

It also came out that the FBI was doing most of the work in so many "terrorist" cases they busted. In fact, most of the terrorists had to be e