organiser no longer permits his events via the BTF so your BTF membership won't cover you in case of an insurance issue. the discount offered for TriFed member means absolutely diddly squat - you simply are not covered.
_________________And the lord said unto John; "come forth and receive eternal life." But John came fifth and won a toaster.

as such - in that your BTF membership (if you have one) doesn't cover you and any day licence sold to athletes is not a BTF day licence. and no presence from BTF officials such as me to keep things in order on the day.
_________________And the lord said unto John; "come forth and receive eternal life." But John came fifth and won a toaster.

So basically they're charging people to turn up for a training swim / bike /run where if anything goes wrong they've told everyone to sign a disclaimer (the entry form) and they've got no viable insurance if anything goes wrong????

And yet they'll expect the NHS to deal with any casualty from the day and blame any motorist for taking out a runner / cyclist?

There have been unsanctioned events before, some of them have been insured through other parties, you would need to check if this one has its own insurance or not.
_________________A bear, however hard he tries, grows tubby without exercise. ~A.A. Milne

most organisers who run unsanctioned events do have some form of insurance but it's always best to check what you're getting for your entry money.

this has been a contentious issue for some time when unsanctioned events are offering discounts for BTF (or other federation) members, who then think their BTF insurance covers them - when it doesn't. and what a day licence from the organiser covers is also uncertain and needs checking.

similarly, for us TOs, we can officiate at these events with 2 provisos - we don't wear BTF kit, and we acknowledge that our BTF insurance isn't valid. frankly, I don't want the hassle so don't get involved with them.

take part by all means but, as the French say, "a vos risques et perils"

I could go into a lot more about the approach and attitude of the organiser of Marshman to the whole of this matter but not on an open forum.

the BTF work hard to try to get unsanctioned events into the BTF sanctioning process and some key successes have been had - Castle Triathlon series for one are now all permitted (since 2016) and this season, UKTriathlon events (one of the big organiser names on the circuit and long time non BTF permitted) are now permitted.
_________________And the lord said unto John; "come forth and receive eternal life." But John came fifth and won a toaster.

So basically they're charging people to turn up for a training swim / bike /run where if anything goes wrong they've told everyone to sign a disclaimer (the entry form) and they've got no viable insurance if anything goes wrong????

And yet they'll expect the NHS to deal with any casualty from the day and blame any motorist for taking out a runner / cyclist?

Oh this sounds totally normal.

Or have I missed something?

how on earth can you infer that from FB's post????
_________________www.appliedtri.co.uk Tri and Du coaching

most organisers who run unsanctioned events do have some form of insurance but it's always best to check what you're getting for your entry money.

this has been a contentious issue for some time when unsanctioned events are offering discounts for BTF (or other federation) members, who then think their BTF insurance covers them - when it doesn't. and what a day licence from the organiser covers is also uncertain and needs checking.

similarly, for us TOs, we can officiate at these events with 2 provisos - we don't wear BTF kit, and we acknowledge that our BTF insurance isn't valid. frankly, I don't want the hassle so don't get involved with them.

take part by all means but, as the French say, "a vos risques et perils"

I could go into a lot more about the approach and attitude of the organiser of Marshman to the whole of this matter but not on an open forum.

the BTF work hard to try to get unsanctioned events into the BTF sanctioning process and some key successes have been had - Castle Triathlon series for one are now all permitted (since 2016) and this season, UKTriathlon events (one of the big organiser names on the circuit and long time non BTF permitted) are now permitted.

The castle tri series were very good eventually. basically after a large number of kids from london region clubs became ill after the race at hever in 2015 a lot of london clubs (I was still chair at one of the larger ones) got together and met with them and had talks. We all refused to back the race and send athletes if they didnt become sanctioned. Whilst we couldnt stop athlete going we all made it clear they wouldnt be insured and that we didnt advise it. that changed and now they are sanctioned.
_________________Blog

most organisers who run unsanctioned events do have some form of insurance but it's always best to check what you're getting for your entry money.

this has been a contentious issue for some time when unsanctioned events are offering discounts for BTF (or other federation) members, who then think their BTF insurance covers them - when it doesn't. and what a day licence from the organiser covers is also uncertain and needs checking.

similarly, for us TOs, we can officiate at these events with 2 provisos - we don't wear BTF kit, and we acknowledge that our BTF insurance isn't valid. frankly, I don't want the hassle so don't get involved with them.

take part by all means but, as the French say, "a vos risques et perils"

I could go into a lot more about the approach and attitude of the organiser of Marshman to the whole of this matter but not on an open forum.

the BTF work hard to try to get unsanctioned events into the BTF sanctioning process and some key successes have been had - Castle Triathlon series for one are now all permitted (since 2016) and this season, UKTriathlon events (one of the big organiser names on the circuit and long time non BTF permitted) are now permitted.

The castle tri series were very good eventually. basically after a large number of kids from london region clubs became ill after the race at hever in 2015 a lot of london clubs (I was still chair at one of the larger ones) got together and met with them and had talks. We all refused to back the race and send athletes if they didnt become sanctioned. Whilst we couldnt stop athlete going we all made it clear they wouldnt be insured and that we didnt advise it. that changed and now they are sanctioned.

I wasn't aware of the "peer pressure" put on them, although I was aware of the illness issues. I do know that the BTF also had to work hard to ensure they came on board but got there with them.
_________________And the lord said unto John; "come forth and receive eternal life." But John came fifth and won a toaster.

most organisers who run unsanctioned events do have some form of insurance but it's always best to check what you're getting for your entry money.

this has been a contentious issue for some time when unsanctioned events are offering discounts for BTF (or other federation) members, who then think their BTF insurance covers them - when it doesn't. and what a day licence from the organiser covers is also uncertain and needs checking.

similarly, for us TOs, we can officiate at these events with 2 provisos - we don't wear BTF kit, and we acknowledge that our BTF insurance isn't valid. frankly, I don't want the hassle so don't get involved with them.

take part by all means but, as the French say, "a vos risques et perils"

I could go into a lot more about the approach and attitude of the organiser of Marshman to the whole of this matter but not on an open forum.

the BTF work hard to try to get unsanctioned events into the BTF sanctioning process and some key successes have been had - Castle Triathlon series for one are now all permitted (since 2016) and this season, UKTriathlon events (one of the big organiser names on the circuit and long time non BTF permitted) are now permitted.

The castle tri series were very good eventually. basically after a large number of kids from london region clubs became ill after the race at hever in 2015 a lot of london clubs (I was still chair at one of the larger ones) got together and met with them and had talks. We all refused to back the race and send athletes if they didnt become sanctioned. Whilst we couldnt stop athlete going we all made it clear they wouldnt be insured and that we didnt advise it. that changed and now they are sanctioned.

I wasn't aware of the "peer pressure" put on them, although I was aware of the illness issues. I do know that the BTF also had to work hard to ensure they came on board but got there with them.

they changed the company and methods to measure water quality, frequency and got on board with BTF. Jon Train worked hard from memory also backing the clubs. At first they were like "it must have been a burger van, to oh shit we will do this this and this". I like to think it was because they cared and realised the problems and solved them but i think fear of the bottom line had a lot to do with the changes. Saying that they are a great bunch, races are m-dot quality and really well organised. It was just one issue and they rectified it. For that they need commending.
_________________Blog

we have to be careful of simply castigating non sanctioned events...it's where most races started out...hence my reaction earlier...just because it isn't sanctioned doesn't mean that it isn't of a high and appropriate standard...

that said, of course, the objective should be to encourage governing body sanction...

we have to be careful of simply castigating non sanctioned events...it's where most races started out...hence my reaction earlier...just because it isn't sanctioned doesn't mean that it isn't of a high and appropriate standard...

that said, of course, the objective should be to encourage governing body sanction...

|

My frustration comes from the perception that events, and particularly triathlon, has become business and the sporting side is lost. I reiterate perception as I know it is not, generally, very profitable and there are a lot of good sportspeople turned race organisers doing a good job.

If you're the good organiser, with sports interest, you make the effort for things like sanction. If you're the business, profit chasing type, in my head, you try and cut corners and costs. It doesn't seem right in my head that the sanctioning should be an allowable cost cutting measure.