Noodle wrote:I've come to the conclusion that every other rookie QB in the league looks better than ours.

This.

Right here this.

Is the reason why I've distanced myself from watching the Browns this year.

I've never seen a group of whinier fans. "WELL WE COULD HAVE GOTTEN RG3".

SHUT UP. And it's not been just this board, but everywhere.

This team is clearly showing signs of improvment across the board.

"b-b-but he's not good enough! I want a Tom Brady/Peyton Manning/Aaron Rodgers"

again, don't care. it's damn near infuriating to read this board as of late because that has been the exact pattern of posting.

To dust off an old chestnut, don't like it, "Go root for the 'skins"

Yeah, you're right. How dare anyone not simply be happy enough with the level of progress made by this 5-9 team to ignore the reality that Kirk Cousins just outplayed the 29-year old QB we took in the first round. QB isn't that important, anyhow. A true fan settles for mediocrity there as long as there are "signs of improvement" in other areas.

---"It was great training being there. They do it with character and intelligence. They run that organization the right way. They build through the draft. They're patient. It's just the right way to do it. It was a tremendous opportunity to be with them." Jimmy Haslam on why he'd model the Browns after the Steelers, 10/16/12

Never thought I'd be so in agreement with leadpipe on anything. This year's first round draft was a disaster, not only in player selection but in opportunity costs. Anyone with the slightest bit of football intelligence knew that drafting a RB at 3 was a huge mistake, and yet Heckert traded up to make that mistake. Then, he compounded it by taking a QB at 22 with absolutely zero upside. The sooner Banner fires his ass the better.

jfiling wrote:Never thought I'd be so in agreement with leadpipe on anything. This year's first round draft was a disaster, not only in player selection but in opportunity costs. Anyone with the slightest bit of football intelligence knew that drafting a RB at 3 was a huge mistake, and yet Heckert traded up to make that mistake. Then, he compounded it by taking a QB at 22 with absolutely zero upside. The sooner Banner fires his ass the better.

The hell did it matter?

You gave up a worthless late round pick for it. Would you rather have obayana/injury prone hardesty in the backfield?

And if you didn't possibly do it to guarantee the pick you're stuck with Justin Blackmon who has done exactly, what for the Jaguars?

Jesus, any fucking thing to pick at. Richardson was an okay draft pick for the position they were in, and the value they could possibly get out of it. And don't say "Well they could have traded down". No, because that would have been scrutinized even more by the fanbase.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

jfiling wrote:Never thought I'd be so in agreement with leadpipe on anything. This year's first round draft was a disaster, not only in player selection but in opportunity costs. Anyone with the slightest bit of football intelligence knew that drafting a RB at 3 was a huge mistake, and yet Heckert traded up to make that mistake. Then, he compounded it by taking a QB at 22 with absolutely zero upside. The sooner Banner fires his ass the better.

The hell did it matter?

You gave up a worthless late round pick for it. Would you rather have obayana/injury prone hardesty in the backfield?

And if you didn't possibly do it to guarantee the pick you're stuck with Justin Blackmon who has done exactly, what for the Jaguars?

Jesus, any fucking thing to pick at. Richardson was an okay draft pick for the position they were in, and the value they could possibly get out of it. And don't say "Well they could have traded down". No, because that would have been scrutinized even more by the fanbase.

Not sure about your reading comprehension.

"Any fucking thing to pick at"

No, a response to a topic that's been going on all week. Don't like it? Don't comment on it.

And Hardesty, or any other back you wanna pick started all year, the Browns would be the same team.

Slowly....the RB doesn't matter all that much, so replacing him isn't that tough. A running back that isn't even averaging 3.5 a carry is even easier to replace.

Trent Richardson, whether he is, was or will ever be a great player, has gained the Cleveland Browns the same shitty season they've had the pas dozen years.

jfiling wrote:Never thought I'd be so in agreement with leadpipe on anything. This year's first round draft was a disaster, not only in player selection but in opportunity costs. Anyone with the slightest bit of football intelligence knew that drafting a RB at 3 was a huge mistake, and yet Heckert traded up to make that mistake. Then, he compounded it by taking a QB at 22 with absolutely zero upside. The sooner Banner fires his ass the better.

The hell did it matter?

You gave up a worthless late round pick for it. Would you rather have obayana/injury prone hardesty in the backfield?

And if you didn't possibly do it to guarantee the pick you're stuck with Justin Blackmon who has done exactly, what for the Jaguars?

Jesus, any fucking thing to pick at. Richardson was an okay draft pick for the position they were in, and the value they could possibly get out of it. And don't say "Well they could have traded down". No, because that would have been scrutinized even more by the fanbase.

The Cleveland Browns sent the Nos. 4, 118, 139, and 211 picks to Minnesota in exchange for the third overall pick in the draft.

Look, this game was the epitomy of what's wrong with the squad. As alluded to earlier in the week, the battle you need to win in the NFL is head coach and QB. Problem with the Browns is it's idiot/rookie.

Look, both team started that game pretty much defending the same way. Box was filled...not gonna let you run between the tackles. ONE coach sees this, and after about two drives, you've got proper adjustment. The other head coach continues to run the same 5 plays he's run all year, ignorant of what the hells going on out there.

The ONLY possible way for the Browns to move the ball as things were, was over the top. Yet they looked that way about twice thru 3 quarters. If you're gonna be stubborn, mine as well give yourself a chance. But that would be thinkin'

And Weeden needs to shake the "Big 12 complex," and fast. That is, you can't wait for guys to be wide open before you throw them the ball. Happened multiple times every week for him last year. Those days are over. Way over. This is causing him to play the game afraid.

Lastly, notice how the Redskins, back-up rookie and all, didn't try to run the enrire 2nd half clock out once they got up. "We trust you Kirk," is a winners mantra, "Don't blow it Brandon," is a losers. And a reason only one QB was afraid this afternoon.

And I'm not even going to bring up after halftime, when there is more time for adjustments. Cause the only time the Browns haven't been crippled by their idiocy after the bell, is when they've played the KC's and Dallas', and the other squads lead by humps. Shurmer vs. someone competent is going to lose the 2nd half about every GD time.

I'd be moreso interested to see how this team would look with a more modern NFL offense.

The 1980's 49ers crap is getting old. Also, Shurmer is gone. So that should be interesting.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

A f$%%^cking pathetic display. Out coached on both sides of the ball. I have no clue what the Hell we were trying to do today. Weeden......brutal. Thankfully the West Coast O will be gone. Weed needs to be in shotgun and throw it downfield. This horizontal shit is for the birds. He does appear to have Derek Anderson syndrome.

It took a whole, but the defense finally gave up today. They played great in the first half, decently for the next 1.5 quarters and gave up in the last few minutes. Shurmer's lost the team. He puts little faith in his QB and it shows. So long Pat. You can now go back to being an overrated, half wit offense coordinator.

Here's what I'd do: dump McCoy since who cares about experienced backup at this point (and Colts are a dime a dozen) and make Thad Lewis the #2. That way if either of the last 2 are blowouts, you get him some PT.

Then you take a high potential guy in, say, the 3rd or 4th and if Weeden shows nothing new next year then you bench him at 4-8 or whatever and see what you've got in he better of Lewis/rookie.

Yup. Any time you can get a guy that can get 2 and a half every touch, like today, gotta trade up.

Need a guy to finish off a 6 yard drive? Trade up for him.

Any time you get a guy that effects an offense less - way less, than Alfred Morris or Kirk Cousins, you gotta trade up.

Every time TR scores a touchdown or makes a good play, get on here and post - ignore the fact the team is moving the ball worse than about anyone in the league, just keep postin.'

Not sure what part of a particular running back not really effecting moving the ball positively is all that complicated. You got about 6 years of weekly data that backs it up.

But, go TR, great pick....I guess.

Dude is gonna break rookie records for this team....I just don't buy the logic that he is a bad pick.

I've read you many times before syaing the Browns need playas...I believe they found one in T Rich. You point to his Yards per Carry and I'll point to the fact he set a rookie franchise TD record....scoring TDs are sort of important ya know.

How about this? We re-evaluate when the Browns bring in a coach who isn't a complete jack wagon, implement a scheme that ISN'T from the 80s and THEN we see where we are?

Triple-S wrote:I'd be moreso interested to see how this team would look with a more modern NFL offense.

Uh, you do realize that in a "modern" offense TRich becomes even less relevant than he is now?

ADP is close to breaking Eric Dickerson's single season record, 300 yards away.

I don't think the runningback is extinct as everyone keeps insisting they are. You have to have a threat to set up the pass at least.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

Look, this game was the epitomy of what's wrong with the squad. As alluded to earlier in the week, the battle you need to win in the NFL is head coach and QB. Problem with the Browns is it's idiot/rookie.

Look, both team started that game pretty much defending the same way. Box was filled...not gonna let you run between the tackles. ONE coach sees this, and after about two drives, you've got proper adjustment. The other head coach continues to run the same 5 plays he's run all year, ignorant of what the hells going on out there.

The ONLY possible way for the Browns to move the ball as things were, was over the top. Yet they looked that way about twice thru 3 quarters. If you're gonna be stubborn, mine as well give yourself a chance. But that would be thinkin'

And Weeden needs to shake the "Big 12 complex," and fast. That is, you can't wait for guys to be wide open before you throw them the ball. Happened multiple times every week for him last year. Those days are over. Way over. This is causing him to play the game afraid.

Lastly, notice how the Redskins, back-up rookie and all, didn't try to run the enrire 2nd half clock out once they got up. "We trust you Kirk," is a winners mantra, "Don't blow it Brandon," is a losers. And a reason only one QB was afraid this afternoon.

And I'm not even going to bring up after halftime, when there is more time for adjustments. Cause the only time the Browns haven't been crippled by their idiocy after the bell, is when they've played the KC's and Dallas', and the other squads lead by humps. Shurmer vs. someone competent is going to lose the 2nd half about every GD time.

Coach who can motivate and make adjustments.Elite QB.

We'll see about Richardson at #3 but Weeden at #22 was/is a shit show. I was hoping that he could be the guy "to get us to THE guy" but I have seen zero progress out of him over the past month plus.

Throw in the small window of a career he will have and it makes that pick at #22 even worse. Don't have time for him to develop, if that is possible, which is a legit question at this point.

As far as Shurmur... that leopard has shown its spots many times already.

Triple-S wrote:I'd be moreso interested to see how this team would look with a more modern NFL offense.

Uh, you do realize that in a "modern" offense TRich becomes even less relevant than he is now?

ADP is close to breaking Eric Dickerson's single season record, 300 yards away.

I don't think the runningback is extinct as everyone keeps insisting they are. You have to have a threat to set up the pass at least.

The point isn't so much the value of the position but do you need to move up to draft a RB at #3 overall. Personally I love TR. I would love him more if he were a pass rushing OLB or DE.

Sheard wasn't looking too bad today.

But the OLB does leave a lot to be desired, agreed.

There really wasn't a guy to fit that mold though this year. If there was that JJ Watt type, than hell yeah, draft away. Just it was slim pickings for us needs wise after RG3 and Luck were off the board.

I still see value within Weeds though. Maybe not an elite guy, but I'll give him a break, he's a rook. He's got about 2-3 years imo, depending on how things go.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

I haven't read through all of the posts yet so if this is echoing a lot of your sentiments I apologize, but I am so done with Weeden, I don't want to see him get another year, just cut the cord now, it's not going to get any better with him. Can we trade for Kirk Cousins?

TouchEmAllTime wrote:I haven't read through all of the posts yet so if this is echoing a lot of your sentiments I apologize, but I am so done with Weeden, I don't want to see him get another year, just cut the cord now, it's not going to get any better with him. Can we trade for Kirk Cousins?

Awesome

who do you want?

Matt Barkley?Landry Jones?Tyler Wilson?Geno Smith?or EJ Manuel?

I say none-of-the above.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

TouchEmAllTime wrote:I haven't read through all of the posts yet so if this is echoing a lot of your sentiments I apologize, but I am so done with Weeden, I don't want to see him get another year, just cut the cord now, it's not going to get any better with him. Can we trade for Kirk Cousins?

Awesome

who do you want?

Matt Barkley?Landry Jones?Tyler Wilson?Geno Smith?or EJ Manuel?

I say none-of-the above.

I know, you're 20 something, you have all the answers and all the trendy snarky replies, jk, but yeah I don't want any of them either, I've just seen enough of Weeds, maybe Alex Smith for one year, anyone that can throw the ball over the reach of the defender would work for me.

TouchEmAllTime wrote:I know, you're 20 something, you have all the answers and all the trendy snarky replies, jk, but yeah I don't want any of them either, I've just seen enough of Weeds, maybe Alex Smith for one year, anyone that can throw the ball over the reach of the defender would work for me.

I'm really doubting Alex Smith is taking his talents to Cleveland. And is he really that much of an upgrade at this point? I'm seeing what Kapernick is doing right now, and I'd venture to say he was thoroughly rewarded by the talent around him.

Your options right now are pretty much Weeds at this point. There is not a single person out there who's an upgrade. Not a single QB. You're not getting the Lamborghini of a Tom Brady or even the BMW of an Eli Manning, may as well make due with the 04 Honda Accord sitting in the Garage.

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

Triple-S wrote:I'd be moreso interested to see how this team would look with a more modern NFL offense.

Uh, you do realize that in a "modern" offense TRich becomes even less relevant than he is now?

ADP is close to breaking Eric Dickerson's single season record, 300 yards away.

I don't think the runningback is extinct as everyone keeps insisting they are. You have to have a threat to set up the pass at least.

This is to the point. AP will break the single season rushing record....and the Vikings MIGHT make the playoffs.

When Super Bowl time comes it'll be Shane Vereen or Knowshown Moreno or whomever runs the ball for GB, cause I'm not sure I know.....you know, just like the last 6 years.

Accusing people they are extinct (which isn't what I'm doing, incidentally) is better then not being able to name a decent Super Bowl back in recent years.

At the risk of piling on and further beating this dead horse, the guy who was across the field from AP yesterday is close to reaching 10,00 yards for his career. One of only 15 people in league history to do so. Pretty big stuff, right?

Number of winning seasons in Steven Jackson's 8 year career with the Rams?

Zero.

I don't need to be patient, they're going to be shit forever. - CDT, discussing my favorite NFL team

mattvan1 wrote:At the risk of piling on and further beating this dead horse, the guy who was across the field from AP yesterday is close to reaching 10,00 yards for his career. One of only 15 people in league history to do so. Pretty big stuff, right?

Number of winning seasons in Steven Jackson's 8 year career with the Rams?

Zero.

He actually became the 27th player to reach this milestone, so about half as big stuff as you are claiming.

mattvan1 wrote:At the risk of piling on and further beating this dead horse, the guy who was across the field from AP yesterday is close to reaching 10,00 yards for his career. One of only 15 people in league history to do so. Pretty big stuff, right?

Number of winning seasons in Steven Jackson's 8 year career with the Rams?

Zero.

He actually became the 27th player to reach this milestone, so about half as big stuff as you are claiming.

mattvan1 wrote:At the risk of piling on and further beating this dead horse, the guy who was across the field from AP yesterday is close to reaching 10,00 yards for his career. One of only 15 people in league history to do so. Pretty big stuff, right?

Number of winning seasons in Steven Jackson's 8 year career with the Rams?

Zero.

He actually became the 27th player to reach this milestone, so about half as big stuff as you are claiming.

I'll need to fire my fact checker.

Point remains the same.

I don't need to be patient, they're going to be shit forever. - CDT, discussing my favorite NFL team