Monday’s Giants/Rockies lineups

I’ve thought for a few days now that the reason the Giants have 37 relief pitchers is because COORS FIELD. We’ll see how it goes down this week. The last time the Giants were here they won 16-4, 11-6, 8-3…

— Vogelsong has pitched just 22 1/3 innings in his last five starts and has a 10.13 ERA over that span. Opponents are hitting .385 off of him since August 13. This seems like a good day for Vogelsong to turn it around – he’s 5-0 with a 1.80 ERA against the Rockies in six career starts.
— The Giants haven’t lost a road series since they dropped 2 of 3 in Pittsburgh right before the All-Star break. That’s largely because they’re averaging 5.17 runs per game on the road.

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— The Giants are 8-3 against the Rockies this season and 5-1 at Coors Field. Dating back to last season, they’ve won 9 of 10 here.

— The Giants have just 27 errors since the All-Star break, which ranks them second in the league (Atlanta has 24). The Giants had 69 errors in the first half.

— This is a great place for triples. Angel Pagan is one triple shy of tying Willie Mays and Steve Finley for the francise’s SF-era record.

Alex Pavlovic

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No off day for Posey…time to drive the nail in the coffin even further.

South City Jim

Go get ’em Vogey!

Ryan Vogelroids

Hey, no problem guys. I just got some supplements from a website Melky told me about so all should be fine tonight.

Foothill Ryan

Plus Vogelsong has that extra day of rest tucked in there. Good vibes surrounding the team. Minimal pressure.

All good things. Be the ball.

Expat

Does anyone remember 1993 when Burkett and Swift had dead arms in August and couldn’t win a game? September hit and they both snapped out of it and finished strong. I’m thinking the same will be true for Vogelsong and probably is already happening for Cain and Bumgarner.

I wonder if Bochy has ever considered Crawford in front of Blanco or Belt in front of Pence.

Foothill Ryan

Will Troy Tulowitski ever play a full season? Let along half a season?

Man ! What talent perpetually on the DL! He’s always on just about everyone’s preseason MVP list – or who they’d build a team around. Doesn’t matter if you can’t stay healthy.

Sandoval also has problems staying off the DL.

CB

Core lineup tonight, same as yesterday. Best lineup all around. Looks the winning combination going forward…Vogelsong needs a bounce back start. He has not been pitching well for over a month now after a stellar 1st half and run.

Anyways, let’s score some runs early and often and put the Rockies away and let some of our bench guys get some PT and rest some guys. Posey looks to add to his resume and Pagan’s FA stock keeps rising and rising and rising. Same with Scutaro. Giants better extend those guys while they can or it will be tough in free agency and more expensive to get them. At least extend Pagan for two more seasons. Gives us two regular outfielders slated for next season with an open spot for a prospect like Gary Brown or another FA acquisition in offseason. But let’s keep the Angel in the Outfield!

Matthew

Stan, you changed your screen name!

The Oracle

Belt is 5-7 lifetime against White with 2 HRs.

CB

Guys like Sandoval and Tulowitzki are special type of players and tremendous talents, but just cannot stay healthy.

JC

Why not! Let’s add another half game on our lead over the Dodgers to 6 games with the Dodgers idle today. Just Win Baby. And how bout them Niners…they are built to win a championship. Great Defense, Good and Rising Offense Great Special Teams (Akers 63 Yd FG, enough said), and great coaching staff led by the World’s greatest Jim Harbaugh….Who’s Got it Better than us? NOBODY!

Happ2125

With Strasburg shut down. Giants may indeed have a chance vs the Nats in a 5 or 7 game set. We still possess the pitching and experience and our offense is consistent and dangerous at times. But we are defensively solid. Nats have had our number during season, but their mojo is gone without Strasburg. Other than Gio, we can hit. Zimmerman, Edwin Jackson and Detwiler are all beatable and no Strasburg or Gio. So yeah.

Giants just need to keep winning series and the will be in the playoffs.

September will also be a time when the coaching staff and management starts thinking about who will be on the 25 man roster for the playoffs.

In 2010, the Giants went to the playoffs with 4 starting pitchers. If they do the same this year, it’s not clear yet who would not join. But I’d venture that Zito is currently the #3 or #4 starter on this team.

http://nada paul in p.v.

Jeff Passan today:

“An aside before showing Kemp’s slide: Ryan Braun is the NL MVP, right? He leads the league by five home runs, his slugging percentage of .602 is tied for first and more than 40 points ahead of the next candidate, he plays suitable-enough defense in left field and the Brewers, at 69-71, have surged to at least sniffing distance of a wild-card spot. The likelihood of the Baseball Writers Association of America crowning him with a second consecutive MVP after his positive test for testosterone during the playoffs last season is next to none – Buster Posey, at this point, is the favorite – but it’s tough to argue there has been a better player in the NL than Braun.”

Giant PITA

Hard to argue with Passan there.

Matthew

…other than the fact that Braun played in 50 games he shouldn’t have been allowed to play in….

Section 129

You think the Big Red Machine rested Bench? MVP does not miss late season games. Rest Sandoval. Fat kid needs time off.

*** Yep, I remember Dusty and Dick Pole wearing guys out, but Bochy’s staff with Raggs and Gardy handle their pitching differently and the Head Trainer and Training staff are different.

Expat says: I wonder if Bochy has ever considered Crawford in front of Blanco or Belt in front of Pence.

*** I bet almost every second 15 thinks about it. Remember Pablo jumped from 5th to 3rd when Melky disappeared. Crawford should bat in front of Blanco “on paper” but Crawford is the tougher at bat in the 8th hole when the purpose is to get on base with two out and let the P bat so they can flip the lineup over, otherwise it would be Blanco 8th.

Giant PITA

I just thought of someone who would argue with Passan and push for Braun for MVP, Johnny Cochran: “If it doesn’t fit, you must acquit!”

ClutchUp

The non-traditional Giants MVP is Groeschner and his elongated training staff, trainers, team doctors with almost everybody being in on decisions regaring Posey’s Playing Plan as well as the overall continued health of the Starting Pitchers. 5 guys have taken all the starts exect for Hackers 6.2 innings in place of Vogey.

Foothill Ryan

Giants MVP is Buster Posey’s orthopedic surgeon. Unanimous decision.

Anti-Lasorda

Tough call for Bochy for Game 4 in Cincinati….

I might give the Ball to Z before Timmy……

Z has had his shellings, bvut EVERYTIME this season they’ve needed him to step up and slam the door. He has….

Timmy hasn’t pitched well in a big/important game since Game Seven of the 2010 World Series (getting owned by both Kershaw and Kennedey all las season……)

Well, okay, maybe it’s unfair since his ERA against Kershaw last season was below 2…

Needless to say, this season, aside from the one Dodgers outing, all of Timmy’s ‘good outings’ have been against also rans: Mets, Houston, SD, Bums both home and away.

Zito on the other hand has slammed the door against the Reds, Rockies in Coors and the Bums and Braves both at home and on the Road. Most of those we’ll see in the NL playoffs.

Intersting choice. I some how think that Timmy will be the sick bully member come the playoffs. His change up is a filthy out pitch and his K rate would be great. Plus he needs next to 0 warm-up pitches and doesn’t ice. Now there just this thing about his fastball control….. if he could spot the 2 seamer I would be seeing out playoff closer. Call it a hunch.

Of course, if he could spot his 2 seamer again, he would be Cy Timmy and starting game 1.

Slide Dog

Right about now, with 10 out of the next 13 against COL and SD, a couple of starts by a Hacker, or Surkamp (DL), or Runzler, etc would be great medicine for the starting five.

Maybe if we see the Giant’s lead at 6+, some relief for the starters?

BKGiant

Vogelstrong, Vogelstrong, Vogelstrong!!!

Samuel

Clutch, Hacker’s start wasn’t in place of Vogey, who missed his first start of the season but not replaced since we had an off day the first week. Hacker made a spot start after the doubleheader against the Mets.

JR

Despite Lincecum’s struggles during the first half of the season, he has made a valuable contribution during the stretch run. In fact, he has the lowest ERA since July 30 among the Giants’ starters. I was somewhat surprised by this given how hard the broadcasters and fans have been on him (deservedly or not). But obviously Vogelsong has really struggled.

Lincecum issue is command not the ability to hit him. even his bad outings were not always hard hits but bloops and broken bats after walks. The kill pitch was gone. Batters have been laying off junk down low and looking for it to drop out of the zone and take walks. Look at the BA against him the second half and as of late. It is falling off the cliff. below 200 in the last couple of games but lots of walks. He needs to sneak the fastball in low when they are looking for the junk. Kinda set em up like Sergio.

http://kpz.mst@comcast.net kyle Perizi

If you appreciate triples, this is the series for you. The Gs lead the MLs in triples with #47 and the Rox are second with #46. Pagan and Fowler are among the ML leaders with #11 apiece.

The Rox can duke it out with anybody at home, so the scores will be high.

The Gs willingness to take pitches will be a big factor in this series. The Rox bullpen was really taxed against the Phills.

Foothill Ryan

Lincecum is coming along right when the Astrologer (Andrea) said he’d come along. Something like a Gemini and Virgo convergence.

I don’t what’s in store for Vogelsong down the stretch, but he’s Taurean all the way.

ClutchUp

2012 – 79-61 – 140 down – 22 to go. Up = 5.5

2011 – 73-67 – 140 down – 22 to go. Behind 7

2010 – 78-62 – 140 down – 22 to go. Behind 2

* This is NEW territory. Long Way to go. Our wants and wishes are to start looking too far ahead.

* Our NEEDS are for the Giant’s to be methodical as they approach each game with a significant purpose. 2010 still rubs some other organizations the wrong way thus regardless of the inferior talent supposedly associated with the Rox and Pads (hot team) the Giants are going to NEED to bear down and attempt to step on teams throats by pounding the strike zone, playing basic defense on balls hit right at them and taking advantage of offensive opportunities.

* With 22 games to play – teams going through rebuilds have NOT thrown in their individual player towels as they are auditioning for ML jobs in 2013.

Slide Dog

Would not be surprised to see a Yusmeiro Petit start if the G’s keeps the division lead intact. Wasn’t sure why he was brought up but you’ve got to think that Bochy/Rags are looking forward to resting the starters … they look really tired right now. Cain’s gotta be strong if they’re going to make a run in the playoffs.

Happ2125

I would use Zito as Game 4 Starter in playoffs with Timmy as a piggyback to starter. If Zito is not on early, short leash and bring in Timmy following Zito’s soft stuff.

Expat

++ Pitching X3’s point about command.

Crusty problem for Bochy deciding on playoff starters. In 2012 Zito and Lincecum I see four equally represented pitchers: Good Zito, Bad Zito, Good Timmy and Bad Timmy.

Good Zito is the best of the four with the ability to neuter a tough lineup for 6+ innings and even pitch a shutout. Good Timmy is solid, will go about 6 and give up a couple/few runs. Bad Zito and Bad Timmy are train wrecks. Good Zito has shown up on and off all year with no trending while Good Timmy was non-existent before the All-Star break but shows up pretty regularly now. So what do you do for a playoff start when you need a 3rd or 4th starter? Good Zito would be ideal but will he show up? Hedge your bet with Good Timmy?

ClutchUp

Samuel says: September 10th, 2012 at 3:29 pm 26..Clutch, Hacker’s start wasn’t in place of Vogey, who missed his first start of the season but not replaced since we had an off day the first week. Hacker made a spot start after the doubleheader against the Mets.

*Thanks for the correction* My statement should read that the total starters innings were all accumulated by Cain, Bum, Timmy, Vogey and Zito, save for Hackers 6.2 spot start*

South City Jim

Although folks mention Zito against the Braves because of his track record against them, the team that intrigues me is the Nats. They haven’t faced him in a few years and among those on the current Nats roster, only Derosa has good numbers. I could see a Zito vs. Zimmerman game 4 match up if the Giants were up 2-1 in a seven game series. Let Cain, MadBum and Timmy or Vogey go up against the other three in games 5-7.

Expat

Clutch Up has the proper RX. There’s work to do.

Happ2125, that strategy makes sense, at least on paper, but I doubt they’ll actually do it.

bullship

The playoff starters will be Cain, Bum, Tim and….Zito or Song- whoever Bochy decides between the two.

There is NO WAY Lincecum is going to sit out the playoffs- NO WAY.

And I actually think that Voglesong is in some serious trouble – he has never pitched so many innings in back to back years in his career (injuries+stinkage) – and he has lost something. To many hitters are making contact- his SO’s are down and he seems to have lost some confidence or is just over throwing too much in frustration. The next 2-3 starts are very important for him and the Giants. He needs to get back to form asap….

ClutchUp

Get out your paper and pencils: You make the call. Major league Rules.

Good balance with two right handed starters, two left handed starters, four right handed relievers and three left handed relievers.

Keep’n It Real

@ paul in p.v.

re: Braun

Exactly what I said in previous thread. There is NO WAY baseball writers vote for Braun because if he put up those kind of numbers last year with PEDS…then they can’t help but think he’s being helped this year too.

It’s funny, there are so many players now that I lok at differently (potential PED users), than ever did priro to the Melky surprise.

Braun I suspected (especially after last year), but now with Kemp losing his power all of a sudden after Melky got caught….and Beltran having his best numbers in 6-7 years on worse knees…I can’t help but wonder.

channelclemente

Foothill,

so what are your October expectations, predictions.

ClutchUp

Ryan from the Foothills: I guess thank you, but my take is still a rather very unpopular POV. :>)

Allow oneself to “look inside” the minds of other dugouts players, coaches and administratrators and one will see that until mathematically eliminated – professionals KNOW that playoff $$$ is hugely different then if the season ends at 162.

However I am thankful that the same attitude permeates the Giants Clubhouse with Cain, Posey, Scutaro, Theriot, Affeldt, Pagan and others knowing that THIS CLUB’s mantra and ultimate goal(s) are far from being over @ 162. Players live in extreme comfort with their seasonal outlandish salaries. With Post Season $$$ Players Huge Extended Families and Entourages end up living in extreme comfort.

channelclemente

So, CU,

How much did you pay for this quote from Pence about Zito last night? Come on, come clean.

Pence on Zito: “He really clutched up for us.”

mitchvman

138. Clutch (previous)

You are actually agreeing with Pacman and myself, just confusing the fact that you believe it will be Zito!

Zito does not fit in any form on this playoff roster in the bullpen. If all 4 starters are doing well, he does not fit there either!

“Giants Brass as we know them” will not put somebody on the roster who will NOT help the chances of winning the series!

Especially, in the first round/short series!

We will see but I don’t think so!

Foothill Ryan

The Giants are professionals. They are not eating buckets of chicken or slamming beers in the of a game. The leadership elite of the Giants will have none of a late season collapse. They could have caved this last series, but put their foot down.

—
CC,

Giants last game will most likely be played in Cincinatti.

But could finish in Detroit, or Anaheim, or New York or San Francisco …

…or Oakland!!!

bullship

Are the 2012 Giants as good as the 2010 Giants!?

easy answer is yes- IF they win the WS.

But I pretty much agree with Foot….Lincecum , Cain and Wilson were pretty awesomedown the stretch and in the post season- and the top three pitchers on the curent staff…Cain , Bumgardner and …Romo?…are currently not as good a top 3.

However – the rest of the team looks better imo…but they have to prove it….

Anti-Lasorda

BTW: quick 2013 roster musings.

Does anyone NOT think Scutaro and Pagan will be resigned.

Pagan 3 years $27M (that would have gone to Melky) – no one has benefitted and taken advantge of the Cabrera situation better. He went from non-tender (due to money there was no way he could fit in the budget if Pence and Cabrera were resigned for over $10M+) to now almost being assured an offer at year end and I am purty certain that will get done.

Scutaro 2 years $12M (that would have gone to F. Sanchez) Panik is at least 1 1/2 year away. A two year deal to Scutaro would see a no brainer, even if it makes Theriot walk. I think Marco would like to remain with Team Venezuela. Theriot should be offered to stay at close to double his $1.25M. I’m thinking 1 yr $2M. He will get offerred it somewhere if we don’t and I like having him around.

Assuming the club offers Pence the Ethier/Jones type deal 5 for around $70M only LF will be an off season quandry…. Blanco is a replacement for Schierholtz, but unlike Nate, he can steal a base when he HAS TO. You loose a little bat, but overall its a better fit for the park even considering how good Nate’s defense in RF was. Maybe an offeason of shagging balls at WMP will put Blanco in close to that category. A good fourth/fifth to have around. He will be retained but will not start next year. I personally think he needs a break as hard as he worked in Venezuela and during Spring training to make a club this year. After his great work in May and June he just seems out of gas. After the playoff run the club should insist he takes the winter off and let him know he’ll make the squad coming out of AZ next season to give him the time to recover.

I would assume Posey will get an extension similar to Mauer’s first in Minnesota. 4 years for $33M or so. 13:$3.75M, 14:$6.25M, 15:$10.5M, 16:$12.5M.

The other big decision will be whether or not to tender Wilson. Early money is the club will try to negotiate an extension below market the $6.5M guarrentee Wheezy would get in arbitration. If Wheezy plays hard ball which I don’t see (not many other places in the US where his schtick will be so endearing) I would almost bet the club decides to cut bait and go it without.

I am assuming we’ll get a good look at Runzler in the next 3 weeks to see whether or not we have to try and resign Affeldt. Early returns are mixed. Mijares is proving it will be a nice luxury to keep three southpaws in the pen especially because going into the spring the Romo/Lopez two-headed closer will be assumed until Wheezy is throwing to live batters and shows something over 92. (I’m betting a 1 or 2 year sweetheart for Jeremy $4M gets offered. I would think Affeldt would take it.)

That also means the 12-13 pitchers break camp next season. Mota is a 50/50 for the jack of all trades he needed to be this year. He has ALWAYS been a good soldier and not complained about his contract situation another $1M tender would be in order. I would bet they do the typical thing where he will get an offer about a week before the spring and get his roster spot 2 days before Opening Day. I would not be suprised. I think Kontos is a lock as the compliment to Mijares. That leaves one spot for Loux/Runzler and the veteran surprise of the spring to compete for. I am sure Sabean and Raggs have an arm or two in mind. Penny, Hensley? Via con dios…..

Running the contract math, with the $2M buyout of Huff’s contract puts the club at $125.5M give or take.

And roughly $10.5M for Sabean to find a LF and a suitable 4th/5th to hit with power off the bench.

That 4th starter may pitch only 1 or 2 games even for a team that plays the maximum number of post season games possible.

Granted, this means Vogey finds himself, but I could see it happen. If Petit does get a start, and it goes well, he could get a few, allowing the rotation to be set up and even letting Tim then transition to the bullpen for the last 1.5 weeks of the season.

Again, just a daydream. I just dread the idea of the Committee blowing some post season games. I do think Petit will get a start, though, especially if the lead reaches 6 or 7 soon.

channelclemente

Foot, Bull,

the only thing that mitigates me agreeing with you is that the Giants are scoring about 2 runs/game more on the road. I’m hung on the fence rail until and if we get to the Nationals. With Sandoval and Pence not being locked down and our pitching uncertainties, we just aren’t in their league, IMO. People seem to forget that when we were swept in Washington, we didn’t see Strasburg.

Slide Dog

I had to go back to the Giants 2010 playoff roster to remind myself that Bochy acutally used Bumgarner and Lincecum in relief during the NLCS 6th game. It was also interesting, looking at all of their playoff games that Mota and Affeldt were very lightly used (only in games out of reach one way or the other). Lopez, Casilla, Romo, Ramirez and Wilson were the ‘guys’.

In 2010, the Giants carried 11 pitchers … in 2012, the ‘for sure’ group have to be this 8:

Cain
Bumgarner
Lincecum
Romo
Lopez
Affeldt
Mota
Casilla

… that leaves three more. I’d have to peg:

Vogelsong
Zito
Mijares

Really, look at the rest of the roster, there is no-one else on it that Bochy can put into a pressure cooker (other than Penny), and expect to survive.

http://www.thewisdomcow.blogspot.com The Wisdom Cow

Bullship, if Wilson were healthy, I’d say this club is way better than 2010s.

Winning it all and being the best team rarely go hand in hand. Yet, the Giant pitching staff put together a post season performance in 2010 for the ages.

I think both Zito and Lincecum would make a playoff roster at this point. Zito because he’s earned it with his “clutch up” performances. Timmy because he won four postseason games two years ago and two in the World Series AND because he’s been one of the best starters in the second half.

Who would start? It depends on the matchups and where the series is at. I could see Lincecum or Vogelsong actually being tremendously valuable out of the bullpen. Despite the 37 guys in the bullpen, they are oddly short of reliable righthanded relievers after Casilla and Romo.

The Giants went with 11 pitchers in the 2010 postseason. If you say that all five starters make the roster, who are the other six?

–Romo
–Casilla
–Lopez
–Affeldt
–Mijares(?)
–Mota(??)

Yep. They could use Timmy or Vogey as a backup.

http://www.thewisdomcow.blogspot.com The Wisdom Cow

To top it off, Timmy the Closer could wear false frame glasses (black) a la Wild Thing . . .

Winning!

ClutchUp

It is clear not all is going well in Dodger Land

Wayward bear: The 210 Freeway north of downtown Los Angeles was briefly closed Sunday when a bear wandered into lanes before scrambling up an embankment and into a nearby neighborhood, where it was tranquilized. Wardens followed the bear as it ambled through a business district and residential streets of Montrose, a foothill community. The bear will be returned to the Angeles National Forest.

Lefty

Slide Dog: Oops, sorry for the duplication! I was writing while you were posting! Great minds think alike I guess. I think either Timmy or Vogey could be great out of the bullpen–Vogey because he throws strikes and is very tough with men on base, Timmy because he’s got nasty strikeout stuff (when he’s not walking seven guys).

Zito–not so much. And they already have three capable lefties in the bullpen.

Keep’n It Real

@Slide Dog

I’m willing to bet that Wilson works on something with the Giants that is fair to both parties. We all know he’s a different kind of guy and I just think he’s more apt to stay and prove himself healthy… then worry about compensation. He isn’t for every market; especially if he struggles early on.

ClutchUp

channelclemente says: September 10th, 2012 at 4:12 pm 44..So, CU,
How much did you pay for this quote from Pence about Zito last night? Come on, come clean.Pence on Zito: “He really clutched up for us.”

Your eyes/ears are so keen, was hoping to keep that on the down low. It might cost me an avatar switch over to Hooch Pence.

Slide Dog

Lefty, I think we agree, but really are there any other options? I don’t see any … other than Penny, just as a vet that Bochy might like instead of Mijares. But then, we’d need another lefty, so …

Helping out ClutchUp

ClutchUp writes:

“Our NEEDS are for the Giant’s to be methodical as they approach each game with a significant purpose.”

It’s “Giants,” not “Giant’s.” There is no need for an apostrophe there.

ClutchUp

mitchvman says: September 10th, 2012 at 4:14 pm 48..138. Clutch (previous) You are actually agreeing with Pacman and myself, just confusing the fact that you believe it will be Zito!

@Mitch: Most of your premise last year (or whenever it was) was built on confusion or that I am confused. Sorry, not trying to convince anybody that my POV is the proper one or the only one.

My POV is actually because OF the fact that I’ve made moves based on what’s good for the team – left somebody OFF a roster – for the so called good of the team – based on the on paper talent of the replacement over the player I left off a necessary pared down roster – and it backfired because the TEAM I was associated with wanted the player who had Been on the team the longest. Instead as a young coach I went for the bells and whistles and brought Up the JV kid and sat the Senior Blue Collar Guy.

Caused chemistry problems, thus I can, through my fan eyes accept anything Sabean-Evans-Tidrow and Bochy decide because they’re in charge and I am not. Now if they keep him on I’m okay; If because of the short 5 gamer – they – go another way, I’m okay. If it WERE my call soley and hypothetically then I’m not moving him off the roster unless he goes 0-4 or 0-5.

In fact, it seems like its way TOO early to tell based on who the opposition might be.

Enjoy :>)

Lefty

I saw the Buster Olney bit on Wilson this morning. (He was also hyping our Buster for MVP, so I’ll forgive him.)

I think he’s overlooked several possibilities. He painted it as a choice between Wilson making $8-10 million in arbitration or the Giants moving on. I don’t see Wilson getting a raise in arbitration when he basically hasn’t pitched since August 2011. He could get a pay cut, but no more than 20% (about $6.4 mil.). That’s still a lot to pay someone when you don’t know when he can pitch or how good he can be again.

As some have said here, I envision them working out a deal with Wilson for a lower salary but with lots of performance and durability based incentives. It’s hard to imagine them just turning their backs on the guy who’s on the verge of being the franchise leader in saves and who was on the mound when the Giants won the pennant and the World Series–not too much that he’s very popular with the fans.

This could change if (a) Sabean makes some offseason trade for an estabished closer (like Chris Perez on the Indians) or (b) the training/medical staff gives negative reports on Wilson’s progress.

I think they should make him get rid of the beard, though. It’s gone well past ridiculous.

Slide Dog

@K’nIR, Wilson might be that kind of guy, but the player’s union frowns on ‘home town discounts’ so I’m not sure that he has the latitude to make a deal like that. It’s the arbitration number or nothing … that’s gonna be an interesting off-season sideshow.

ClutchUp

try using ur phone while making grammar corrections nimrod

http://www.thewisdomcow.blogspot.com The Wisdom Cow

slide dog, if there were ever a guy that would not give crap what the player’s union wanted, it’d be Wilson.

http://www.thewisdomcow.blogspot.com The Wisdom Cow

I can still remember the day I left my oldest, most reliable, marble in my bag. The other kids in recess could totally see my marbles lacked chemistry because I brought out the new shiney one I had bought the day before. It was a disaster.

That’s why I know what Bochy should do. 😉

mitchvman

69. Clutch

I understand your view in this blog, today, this year. Not sure your last years issues. …And Yes it is certainly from a fans perspective.

I just do not see Zito being on a roster just for “chemistry” purposes!

Furthermore, he still has no place (all things being equal) on the playoff roster! If Tim, Matt, Vogey and MadBum are pitching as advertised, where does Zito start? Especially in a 5 game series?

Bullpen? We already agree that the Giants will not know “45 minutes” in advance that one of the starters is going to need help in 6th or 7th so he does belong there either!

Also, go back to almost every team’s playoff roster for the last few years and you will be hard-pressed to find a “5th” starter making the playoffs. (unless they are a flame thrower who can get an out here or there)

So a wasted body on the bench just for Chemistry? I do not think so!

However, we will see!

Slide Dog

TWC, I don’t think even Wilson would like to see the shadow of Shotgun Cain, the Giants’ player rep at his door. It seems that there’s one line that the players don’t cross, and that’s the ‘union’ line.

ClutchUp

Agree that Wilson could go off and be a maverick concering home town discount – however he is the son of a decorated Air Force Dad who apparently instilled a strong sense of self worth and loyalty towards any association one is connected to. I can see Brian siding with the team that has been so good to him since he signed a pro contract and I could also see him siding with his strong union ties.

Wilson established the largest (The Michael Wilson Scholarship) as a legacy to his father, Michael Wilson to honor his father’s memory and commitment to service in the United States Air Force. The gift is the largest scholarship given by an individual to be administered by the Air Force Association in its 65 year history. 2 schollys each yr will be awarded for 5 years and is open to any Air Force ROTC Cadet in the United States of America.

Foothill Ryan

Lasodra,

I love roster musings. Thank you for participating.

Pagan 3/27 is certainly in the neighborhood. Could go to 10 per. Maybe 4 years 32 as well.

Scutaro for Freddy Sanchez money – yes. Maybe a deal at 2/10 cause he’ll turn 37 during the World Series.

Pence – low ball him in arbitration. His numbers came crashing down. Ink him 1 year 12 at the most. He’s got a lot to prove. As in does he still have game?

I’d advocate trading for Shin Soo Choo. Especially if Pagan walks.

Could be Pagan in Center, Pence in left and Choo in right – but probably not. Pagan in Center, Pence in right, and Blanco/Kieschnick/Peguero/Juan Perez/Brown battling for 3,4,5th OFers.

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I’m not saying he’d be a scab, lol. I’m saying if Wilson thought he found a fair incentive laced deal that a “home town discount” of sorts, other teams willing to give guaranteed money such that the SF deal would be quite favorable to management, I could see . . .

Cain: “Willy, the Union is kinda hoping you would take a stronger stance on the new deal.”

Wilson: “So.”

Cain: “It’s just, . . . , this deal is more owner friendly than the players union is comfortable with.”

Wilson: “So.”

Cain: “It could set a bad precident, owners may start expecting these deals and give low ball offers, maybe even start to collude.”

Wilson: “So.”

Slide Dog

Cain: “Do you realize that $20m/year is about $5k per pitch … man, sticking with the boys got that for me!”

Wilson: “So.”

Cain: “Do you want to ruin it for Vogey … his contracts up next year?”

Wilson: “Hmmm …”

channelclemente

I thought stealing a bovine’s marble was cruel and unusual, given the lack of steely eyed determination afterwards.

Olney always gets this way in September, I think it’s his Mom’s birthday or something.

ClutchUp

mitchvman says: September 10th, 2012 at 4:52 pm 74..69. Clutch I understand your view in this blog, today, this year. Not sure your last years issues. …And Yes it is certainly from a fans perspective. I just do not see Zito being on a roster just for “chemistry” purposes!

Mitchvman: Last years issues: Whenever there was back and forth before between us two, your initial choice of where you thought I was incorrect was that I was ‘confused’ about the topic at hand, but it’s all good now and has been for awhile.

Zito and chemistry: I only said it was chemistry issues with MY decision that I made at a much lower baseball level. I never put Zito and chemistry in the same sentence. My take is that Zito will most likely make the post season roster (Unless he goes 0 for his last starts, OR the Five gamer dictates another stategy) because of how this SFLLC group handles their business now based on many other occurrances.

Burriss would have been cast aside long ago after being DFA’d and landing at Fresno. The Giants happen to lead the league at reaquiring former Pitchers/Position players that they signed and cast aside. (Burres, Bonser, Vogelsong, Linden etc)

Right or Wrong SF’s Business Plan and Front Office Management’s so called “The Giant Way” encompasses many characteristics that effect their baseball decisions come roster time.

RulesQuoter

ClutchUp says:
September 10th, 2012 at 4:45 pm

try using ur phone while making grammar corrections nimrod

-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o

Don’t

Resort to name calling.

Engage in personal attacks.
Bait each other.

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Okay, the Watercourse Way ad . . .

Seriously?

mitchvman

82. Clutch

fair enough. I disagree though.

So based on your view of Zito. Please give me your playoff roster with Zito

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Baggs’ Nady health watch, as if he were Matt Kemp, is just depressing. Remember when he wasn’t a shill?

ClutchUp

* More Bad LA Karma – Three people were killed when a car crashed into a pizzeria in Los Angeles on Sunday. The crash in Studio City sparked a blaze that took more than 20 minutes to extinguish.

* And Now ~ ~ The Rags are reporting that O.J. Simpson thinks Khloe Kardashian is his daughter.

Heh Heh Heh. OJ must have betrayed his buddy Bobby K and slept with Momma K.

That’s right up there with Bruce Jenner and Steve Moskowitz having the same plastic surgeon. Heh Heh…

Here’s my “contingency” prediction. If in fact Zito ptches strong down the stretch and does not make the playoff roster, and is a good soldier despite being left off, I predict the Giants will reward him with some form of extension. They WON’T pick up the option, but you may see them add a few bucks and extend him through 2015. Instead of the remaining $20 million next year and the $7 million buy-out for 2014, maybe something like $32 million through 2015.

It would not surprise me.

ClutchUp

@510=nice try but not even close, wasn’t personalized or directed at anybody via a time stamp so if I were you, I’d reread ChannelClemente’s post and move along now.

@Mitchvman: I’m not gonna do a post season roster yet due to the remaining 22 games providing enough 3.0 torture. My only for sure thing is that Freddy Sanchez, Surkamp, Wilson, Hacker, and Edlefson are 100 per cent not on it.

Whiteside, Burriss, Christian, Pill, Peguero, Penny, Loux, Otero and Petit along with several others are also on the outside looking in.

Shut the Clutch Up!

He’s so starved for attention he’s sharing offtopic stuff about people being killed in car crashes. How sick.

ClutchUp

Pagan will be here next season. No to Choo Choo(Coleman). Brown will eventually get here but his overall “man-body” strength needs some growing into. Pence will be here. Pablo and 55 will be here. Roger K – Melky and Blanco will be around.

Tidrow controls almost all of the Pitching aquisitions. The beast at San Jose = Jose Valdez 6′ 7″ @ 250 must have Tidrow drooling as a future closer.

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Poor attempt at legalese, CU. You’d technically be guilty of multiple violations from both 4:45 and 5:29.

Used to be, Baggs wasn’t a shill, CU had class, and I was the only one that caved in to bait.

Sometimes I miss that lovable non-commissioned officer. It was like playing with a Puerto Rican Archie Bunker.

Vogey for Cy Young

My boy Vogey is in deep with Tim McClelland behind the plate. We better hold onto our collective horses because TM is one of the crankiest and most arrogant ML umpires on the planet.

What is with the unidentified flying objects that come here to troll about other posters rather than talk ball. Got to go talk ball with my hubby.

Go Vogey, be a good umpire Mr. McClelland with your late reacting balls and strike calls….

Giant PITA

The CF camera at Coors must be in RCF. Sux!

Pacman 68

Why does Bochy continue to bat Pablo third?

Giant PITA

A non fat panda does not get doubled up.

South City Jim

Pablo better get a bigger jersey. Couple of those buttons look like they’re about to pop off.

Giant PITA

And the Buster fly ball would have made it 1-0.

wan8iv

that was inexcusable by the fat Panda, only Bengie Molina would have been doubled up on that play, just pathetic.

ClutchUp

Not sure what that means Oh Wisdom. Had no attempt at legalese and have not idea what that even means. (529/445) – I’ve read much worse authored by people “you” know. {Nimrod was the Biblical founder of Babylon, also considered a mighty hunter.}

My moderations have been associated with double link attempts.

But onward and upward, much more important things to worry about like Pablo hitting into a double play and Posey needing to be DFA’d because he could not get a base hit with a runner at third base ;>(

ClutchUp

Panda pushing 288.

wan8iv

McClelland has been around since 1983 when George Brett and the pine tar incident, some of these umps are freaking fossils and need to be extinct.

Shut the Clutch Up!

Hey Clutch, maybe tomorrow you could opine about New York Karma and compare the WTC to the 10-game lead the Yankees once had. That would be great, wouldn’t it?

Reaper

I don’t want to complain too much when the team is doing well, but does Pablo really warrant being in the 3 hole at this point?

Giant PITA

CU, posey hit a sac fly if not for our fat 3rd baseman!

wan8iv

there was a reason the Giants won the WS without the Fat Panda and if he keeps that awful play up he should be on the bench with enjoying the game and being a cheer leader

Reaper

Vogey doing his best William Van Landingham impression here.

wan8iv

I see that Vogelsong is in prime Zito form, besides what the fat one did this is shaping up to be a good one

wan8iv

OMG a VanLandingham reference, he was worse than Zito in his day, good one Reaper

Stan

From the time it was reported MLB was investigating Melky…Volgy has been shaky. Coincidence? or ONE STEP BEYOND?!

livefree

well how long does Bochy leave him in the 3rd spot, and then not doing anything with the runners to avoid the DP?

Those loud cannon shots you hear from Colorado are a playoff spot opening up for Zito

livefree

Has a pitcher ever doubled his ERA in the last 6 weeks of the season?

wan8iv

Who is going to be the fourth starter in the playoffs if they make the playoffs

Stan

When that stuff wears off..whoa..you got nothing?

cyan

Just tuned, in. 2-0 already. Looks like this is going to be a long night. Vogey still not in previous form and looks like the ball is carrying. Hope the G’s offense can capitalize on it.

Pacman 68

If Vogie keeps pitching like this. Zito will be there

Stan

76?..that’s not off speed that’s molasses..

Woj

At this rate, Vogelsuck is going to be left off the playoff roster. This guy is putrid the last 5 weeks. I cringe any more when he pitches. He’s approaching Zito-at his worst. Can he get anyone out without runs scoring??

And when is Vogey’s contract up?? It becomes a valid question.

ClutchUp

Nice avatar 555. I’ll leave that to you. The two posts were from the SF Chronicle (Bear on the Highway and Pizza Crash) Public consumption in other words.

I had a College Roomate killed on 9/11 – doubtful, I’ll leave that to you. Run along now per 521.

All: What’s wrong with Vogey? Thoughts? Besides the fact he’s off his vitamins?

***Agreed PITA, that was a sad attempt at a hard 90. Pablo is Ginormous, as if he gained while on the plane.The Posey item was fodder.

Giants win 9 to 7 or lose going away.

Oh S, there go the BELLS at work. Now on lockdown…

Foothills Ryan

I see Vogelsong remains out of tune.

This must be painfully hard for a guy who is such a perfectionist and so self-critical. There’s probably a a feedback loops that exacerbates his problems.

For sure, he could be pitching himself off the playoff roster. Would hate for this to be a true Cinderella story.

Giant PITA

Too much plate and too little movement

cyan

Nice, Pence!!!

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Hunter seemed to hit that one hard.

Foothills Ryan

That was niiiiiiice !

Pence getting something going.

El Lobo

Cargo did his best Bonds on that Pence homer.

livefree

I know NOTHING about pitching, which is obvious, but it seems to me that Vogie is too predictable. Too many strikes, in a strange way. Way past time to get a little wild inside, and find another pitch to use with 2 strikes

cyan

Speedster Belt!

Giant PITA

I hope fat panda took note of the hustle by Belt there!

Foothills Ryan

Will Sandoval go yard again? How bout in this yard?

He’s just not very good right now. Especially for a 3 hitter.

If indeed Pence is warming up, Bochy should rebuild the lineup for the Playoffs. Stick Posey third. Pence still behind him. Or stick Belt third. Sandoval is in #rallykillingmode

Giant PITA

Next thing fat panda should take note of is Belt’s belt size!

mitchvman

Watching on TiVo so still in the 1st inning!

Panda you Fat F. You better be in the gym all off-season and come back a lean-mean-fighting-machine!!!

Giant PITA

Pence busting it hard out of the box on that bomb. He could have stood there and admired it, but instead took no chances until he saw it in the seats. See that Pablo?

ClutchUp

livefree says: September 10th, 2012 at 6:06 pm 127..I know NOTHING about pitching, which is obvious, but it seems to me that Vogie is too predictable. Too many strikes, in a strange way. Way past time to get a little wild inside, and find another pitch to use with 2 strikes

LiveFree: I think you’re on to something especially the so called predictability. Also of note the late Darryl Kile (Cards) almost lost the ability to pitch at Coors.

Stan, we go through this every Vogey start lately… You throw out your wacko opinion that is totally unsubstantiated because you have decided that a slump must equal PED usage by him. I find it to be sophomoric, offensive and a cry for attention by you.

At times, you have relevant input on here, but I am getting tired of your tired act on this specific point.

I urge you to keep this sensationalism to yourself and quit offending everyone.

Foothills Ryan

Maybe the book is out on Vogelsong and that’s the deal. Hitters know what to expect and he is too predictable. Especially with all those heaters.

Pacman 68

Rockies announcers are in love with Crawford!

livefree

You’ve got 37 pitchers, just pull him. How stupid can you be?

cyan

C’mon Vogey, to the pitcher….:(

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Leave Pablo alone. He’s big boned. The fat references will get him depressed and make him eat more.

Pick on Bochy. He’s so dumb he won’t realize it.

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Good thing that Ump is wearing a cup.

Foothills Ryan

This is not good. Painful to watch. I’ve been clamoring for a skipped start. An extra day ain’t doing it. Maybe it’s just Coors today , but when the opposing pitcher belt’s your hitme offerrings, it is not good folks.

Skeptism 101

Vogelsong will get the Zito treatment come playoffs. Meaning he will have the best seat in the house. The dude’s been out of it since the Nationals raped him.

Foothills Ryan

Zito has definitely pulled ahead in that 4th spot. A few starts each – or less in Vogey’s case – to inform the coaches decision.

livefree

Kudos to SOMEONE for seeing that … it’s a surprise, actually, considering all the things they don’t see.

Or maybe it was just McClelland’s delayed call

Skeptism 101

Say hello to a rotation of Lincecum, Bumgarner, Cain and Zito in the playoffs.

Dario Argento

I am sick of these Giants pitchers giving up hits to opposing pitchers. It is getting very old already.

Skeptism 101

Vogey will probably join the BP with Mijares, Affeldt and Mota as long relief guys.

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[Random comment addressed to the biblical founder of Babylon in no way addressed to any individual on a related topic a few posts before me, and thereby definitely not a violation of the house rules.]

CU, when the Judge asks you if you want to invoke your rights per Faretta, say no.

Shut the Clutch Up!

Thanks for explaining, Clutch. If it’s in the Chron, then it must be ok to post here even if not baseball-related, and people getting killed is funny if it’s not somebody you know. Very classy of you.

Expat

Kuiper’s comment during the HR replay (“that explains the hat”) was tremendous

wan8iv

Vogelsong will be lucky to stay in the rotation if he keeps channeling VanLandingham

In Faretta v. California, the Supreme Court, per Justice Potter Stewart, held that a defendant has a constitutional right to waive his right to the assistance of counsel and to represent himself at trial (pro per or pro se) so long as it is done voluntarily and knowingly. Faretta v. California (1975) 422 U.S. 806. See also In Pro Per

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Never onced used the word funny Mister I don’t have regler nane.

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Vogey and Sandavol what should we do with these 2 guys?

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The thing about Pablo is you never remember him doing anything big with the game on the line. He never gets the big hit.

Matthew

Pacman… Is “Fat Boy” Pablo, Machi, Mijares, or Sanchez?

Roxy

Mr. Vogelsong has sucked ever since Cabrerra got popped. It’s so obvious. Look at his history, he rose from the dead to become an all star last year at his age. It was worth it for him, he got a nice contract extension and quit the juice before he could get caught

Giants1021

Sandoval is no longer hitting his weight……SHEESH.
Coulkd hhis belly be impacting his pwer stroke? And, can they get him to drop 15 before the playoffs? He is expendable at this weight.

Giants1021

@164, Bald, I disagree — Sandoval was always clutch when not fat.

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The San Francisco Giants ownership group is glad to announce that next Friday will be Buster Posey 10 Pitch At-Bat HR Commemorative Pin Night.

pacman68

How does Jim Tracey still have a job?

livefree

Cow … brilliant.

So I always wondered if my TV was off, but I have a new one, and the Rockies are just flat-ass blue. Why?

Giant PITA

if pablo was hitting his weight he be right around 300.

ODB

It’s tough to eat yourself out of MLB, but Sandoval is fat, a hack, and a non producer, and really not too bright…Fielder: fat + lots of Hrs and RBIs.

Expat

TWC @ 168, terrific.

So tell me again why Belt isn’t hitting in front of Pence? Or is Blanco scaring pitchers into giving Belt strikes? Surely Blanco will knock him in.

livefree

You say dont bunt in this park, but Blanco really probably should anytime they’re playing back

Giants1021

Sandoval is making bad chocies – he needs someone to straigten him out in terms of diet, dedication, and discippline at the plate Far too talented for this.

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Blanco needs to take out some of his swing, way too big.

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Tracy wife knows the combo for the Humidor Pac

livefree

Please, can we stop hearing about Nady, who is still on the Interstate, being out?

You know who else is out? Rowand. Dave Roberts. Marquis Grissom

livefree

The walk Crawford, you gotta hit for Vogie … but Bochy won’t, nor would probably any other manager. But they should

Giants1021

This line up cannot afford a slumping Sandoval and Blanco, and Belt as a singles hitter. Sorry to say it, but Blanco has got to go.

Posey needs to hit third – like Joey Votto does. Similar, mirror image, different position players.

Pagan
Scutaro
Posey
Pence
Belt
Sandoval
Crawford
Blanco
Pitcher

Roll with that – start tomorrow to get everyone accustomed to their if that even makes a difference.

Giant PITA

@Giants1021, maybe pablo is happy where he is and with what he’s doing. Maybe he doesn’t want to be great? He’s seen how much better he can be when fit and much lighter, so it’s not like he has no clue how the fatness negatively impacts his play/production.

livefree

Or, Crawford could spare him the choice by going Pablo on us

Foothills Ryan

Sure Pac,

it will be the same answer as CU’s. not enough ABs after recovering from shoulder injury (which was a fracture). They probably wanted to just get him on the field in the last week of AAA so that he went into the offseason having overcome the injury enough to get some ABs. Nice plan. At least he’ll be in the mix next year and there will be fierce competition for 3,4 5th OFers.

livefree

The organization was clear that Keeshnick (I dont memorize names until they make it) had not had enough ABs since the injury. Right or wrong, that’s it

Expat

I like Foothills lineup.

props to Blanco for that ab. He settled down and hit a line drive, like he’s supposed to. He just didn’t hit it where they ain’t.

Giants1021

I think he has coasted on his talent and probably believes he’ll play his way out of it. Maybe I’m worng, but I have a hard time thinking he is consciously making this choice becuase he “likes where he’s at”….and if he is, he’ll change his mind when he’s out of baseball and 400 pounds…rather avoid that – I like Sandoval – my favorite Giant actually – but this is too much.

Matthew

Footy, I would go with that lineup… I don’t think the Wisdom Boch will, however

livefree

HEY! The coach can’t come out until the play is done, and it aint done until he gets to second. WTF!?

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I want to officially join the “It’s creepy that so many players are getting hurt when they play against the Gaints” club.

pacman68

If Ryan Braun wins the MVP. I will never watch baseball again cause I know that the whole thing is rigged.

Ryan “HitMe” Vogelsong is not a good moniker. By god his once league leading ERA will soon be over 3.5. I was surprised to see that Mat Latos has an ERA of over 3.7. How about that ?

Matthew

WC, I think it’s Pavlo… Otherwise known as Big Bad Voodoo Fatty

I know…cheap shot

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GroundRule double Ball is Dead.

livefree

Depressing … 1 run off a total stiff in a live yard. Weird team.

livefree

The ball is dead, but the runner has to advance unaided, I believbe

livefree

Get … Vogelsong … out.

Bochy would have batted him last inning and been in line for his third Baker in a week

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Vogelsong 16-17 batters and nobody has swung and missed …bad sign …

cyan

We have a ton of pitchers in the bullpen. Should pull Vogey before this lead becomes totally insurmountable.

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vogelsong will probably hit for himself

stickman

The 4th was not a totally wasted inning offensively. The nicks and l.o.b.’s brought the pitch count of Colorado’s slugger up to 76. Works out to 19 per inning. He should be done by the sixth if the grind goes on.

What i still do not get, for the life of me, is why Bochy, who manages very astutely in some dimensions of his production, has yet to switch Pablo and Belt in the lineup. Many of us are on this wavelength. It is very close to becoming a Giants Extra consensus. There will be dissenters from this consensus, but a lot of us blog jockeys seem to agree that with his growing selectivity as well as his gradually upgrading BA and steady OBP, BB9 needs to follow Pagan and Scutaro in the order, getting backed up by Posey, Pence and Pablo, in that particular order for the meanwhile.

Perhaps we could take the time to hold us a little informal poll amongst tonight’s posters. Should Bochy switch Belt and Sandoval in the batting order, with Pence in the Enforcer role, batting after Buster and in front of one of the most productive hackers in the game.

Yes or no??? Add your thoughts, observations on this question. This is a worthwhile focus for this company of Giants jousters.

Peakfreak

This is ridiculous, it is time to issue helmets to the infielders cause this is looking like batting practice. Get Vogy a screen. Sheesh

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Livefree: Baker and his Pitching Coac Dick Pole + Alou have NO comparison to Bochy Raggs and Gardner…

2holehitting

375 average this game
400 average the last 2 games he pitched.

atleast he is improving…..

ugly man what happened to the buy withth 220 avg in the first half?

Matthew

I know a 3 run deficit is nothing at Coors, but I’m feeling a maintenance game could be called for if it gets too out of hand. Our gents look a bit brain-tired tonight.

Let’s see if we can hit Moscoso…

Clutch called it on the Vogey

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I have to call BS. There is no way Gregory House was diagnosing all those illnesses while eating Vicodin like candy. I’ve downed near half a bottle today, and I’m basically a half step above a village idiot from it. I somehow missed the third inning!

And my ear still hurts like hell. Funny, though, the side of my head is swollen so much I look like I’m in an Escher painting, or am suffering from Bell’s Palsy.

Be sure to disregard anything I may write tonight if offensive or just plain stupid. I am out of it. 😯

2holehitting

Vogey is on par with his 9 ERA of the past 2 games with hi 9 ERA this game.

livefree

But a “Baker” is an established move where the manager lets a pitcher hit in an obvious pinch hitting situation, then pulls the pitcher in the next half-inning anyway. It was made famous by the man for whom the move is named.

Now … NO reason at all to let Vogie hit. Bochy lacks a little urgency here

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As opposed to other nights when I am a genius

Ha. Beat you to it, huh?

2holehitting

Gregory House was a genius you are probably just a beer slugging couch potatoe. Dropping his IQ by 40 points puts him at 220, dropping yours by 40 is likely now 60.

ODB

This stinks of a Bochy give-away game & it’s the first of the series. F this.WTF is Vogeldouche doing hitting?

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livefree: there is an injury rule. He could have laid on the ground and a sub could have completed the journey. Happened to us this summer. HR over fence and our runner crumpled @ second base with a weird knee injury. OBR allow for another player or the the other team could have “carried” our guy around the bases….Weird I know.

Giant PITA

TWC, you may be stoned on Vicodin, but you’re funny as ever tonight!

livefree

Yep,, Clutch … I see nothing about advancing to the entitled base unaided. So it made no difference. You were right

Richard in Winnipeg

Pablo = fat = butter milkcow = sheesh

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If Scutaro is NOT seeing the ball somethings wrong as he played at Coors early this season. Conspiracy abounds: Airplane cabin presure plus a VERY late arrival last night + 5290 some odd feet above sae level equals a very sluggish performance. Somebody needs to ck how many visiting teams have lost their first game @ Coors?

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95.7 the Game has the A’s on. Wonder where the Raiders ended up on radio. Poor Greg Papa….

Foothills Ryan

If only Pence knew how to work the count to get a pitch to hit. He routinely swings at dog feces like someone else we know. Poor Posey , sandwiched between two brain dead hackers.

Matthew

Clutch, maybe so but I think our last trip in here we won the opener about 35-3

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Blanco has the baseball IQ of a toothpick.

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When Nady is ever healthy, he’s back in there. GREAT post by Baldy earlier. Blanco has way too much swing for a little guy even though he just singled…

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Matt; agreed, but was it a late rally and or a travel day off?

livefree

This is called a must run situation

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It is not just the players (unless it is just me), kruk and kuip are broadcasting like it is 10-2 when it is a two run game. This is weird.

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Footy: “DogFeces” originate in the minds of the opposing pitchers throughout the league. They are intentionally throwing non strikes because of the reps of SF’s hitters….Win some Lose Some.

Rumor Central

It seems that as soon as Nady misplays a ball we’ll all be clamping for blanco sigh it’s a vicious circle.

LOL HACKTOR!

WAY TO GO OUT OF THE ZONE FOR YOUR STRIKEOUT! GOTTA BE AGGRESSIVE!

wan8iv

that was a great disciplined AB by Sanchez

wan8iv

LOL @ HACKTOR post 229

Oh boy Chris Berman is announcing the Raider game

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Sigh…same guyz that hit big grandslams earlier in Milwaukee (Sanchez) drive us crazy when they fail.

wan8iv

Let’s talk some Raiders boys but only until Pablo and Hactor show some plate discipline that shouldn’t take too long, they are Major League hitters after all

pacman68

Am I the only one who thought Huff should have pitch hit? I’m not stoned on vicodin like Cow.

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So true Rumor So True? What football score do you have?

Rumor Central

I’m in the minority that likes Chris but he sounds kinda awkward doing the play by play

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Wasn’t Runzler the guy that wore his cap with the rim flat? Good for him, entering humanity. That look screamed stupid. Might as well have pitched with his pants below his bum.

Krukow proven full of crap again … Rockies are right where the Giants want them, he said. Tired, out of pitchers, blahblahblah

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The flat brim look is outta control in college baseball. Its ugly ugly and here to stay especially some SEC D1 teams. Ugh. By the way. CANNOT throw breaking balls at Coors unless You put them in the dirt!

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You know the reason for the raiders’ colors, PAC?

livefree

The Raiders have one of the worst uni’s, period. They don’t even have a color. Silver and black are secondary colors.

Not sure why we threw in the minor leaguer in a 6-2 game.

livefree

4-2 game

pacman68

Bochy has too many toys. STOP OVER MANAGING!!!

pacman68

WISDOM COW

No…why?

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The gnomes just jumped the shark. The Willy gnome was cool, but Baer just had to reach back into the well again.

livefree

One thing this season has taught us … other team’s minor leaguers are better than the Giants’. But I guess we knew that

pacman68

livefree

You’re crazy. There uniforms and helmet are badass. Chargers powder blues are close.

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SF Giants pitching is a little above average right now, BP is below average.

pacman68

Way to throw the game away Bochy you piece of junk. You’re luck that Matttingly is as stupid as you.

BARF!!!!

cyan

This is getting really ugly.

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A clerical error of some type had Al be the last owner to put in his request for team colors. He got stuck with silver and black, which of course became the best selling merchandise for much of the 70s and 80s. Pretty classic, huh? Imagine if they had gotten some other colors. It is almost impossible to even envision.

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K & K made excuses for Tubby’s error that just led to 2 more runs. Not cool.

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Expanding the roster will and can work against you. Bochy has way to many choices so he decides to pitch guys like Runzler and Otero. You have no business winning a game when those two are pitching. Runzler is a has been.

stickman

Tryout time: Runzler goes one and out, giving way to Oh Zero who flubs the first of his final exams. Could have been Coors Field effect. He likely gets at least one more atonement appearance.

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That 6-2 Otero give up is squarely on #48. Squarely or Roundly on Sandoval!

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Honest Q: doesn’t it seem like k&k have been announcing as if this game was lost from the start? The tone seems like it has been a laugher.

Again, could be me – 👿

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A young lefty who has been oft injured but throws 95 is really not a has been…

El Lobo

Most interesting thing going on tonight is Chris Culliver leaving his phone at Aldon Smith’s house and tweeting about it. Big time hangover after yesterday.

pacman68

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Wow, I did not know that. I can’t see the Raiders in any other colors.

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Pablo should take off that sumo suit. It can’t be easy to swing in that thing.

livefree

Except Orange jumpsuits

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MVP.

pacman68

What the hell is he swinging at?

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Coors Field Pacman Barf…

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I truly believe that we have seen the best of Pablo Sandavol, he will get worse before he gets better. He’s sliding fast folks and POSEY goes deep. Panda’s career will be in jeopardy if he doesn’t get his fitness together.

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Livefree, it took me a minute to get that one. Not bad, sir. Not bad.

avwh

Panda needs to grab some pine, Bochy.

MVP Posey gets back the 2 runs Pablo & Otero gave the Rockies last inning. This one isn’t over yet.

pacman68

I sure hope Bochy brings in Loux the next inning. Gotta give those 2 runs back.

bad kitty

P. “Strandoval” is playing awfully casual tonite. His error at 3rd allowed 2 more runs. So weak. Sit the fat Panda.
Scutaro finally hits and golden boy Posey puts the G-men back into the game! Let’s go Giants….clutch hitting is needed.

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Nice swing BB9 off of a hard throwing lefty. Two innings left. Throw up a Bagel and win it 7/8 to 6.

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Anyone else notice the polar bear in a Giants uni without a hat wandering around the bullpen when they replayed Posey’s HR?

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Okay. I know the dugout is not a clean spot, but c’monBuster. Don’t just spit on the floor. It’s one thing for snot rockets out on the grass, but spitting on the floor of the dugout where you set your gear down? That is bad.

giantc

At least Bochy brought in a major league pitcher for this inning — no reason to ever see Otero in a 2 run game.

The Rockies infield is a joke — choppers in front of the plate shoot through the infield like they are being hit on pavement.

livefree

Look, Bochy knows bullpens. Makes no sense to me, but he must have felt his guys were too gassed, so he took a change on Otero despite a complete lack of evidence that he can pitch in the majors. One of those things that looks even worse now.

cyan

Still have a chance to win this thanks to MvPosey.

stickman

Again, Belt’s lineup role is miscast. Batting sixth and with two outs, Pence on first and SF down two instead of tied (thanks, BB15), Brandon went for the downs, flying out deep to the opposite field. The temptation to ride that pitch had to be overwhelming. But with Blanco up next, dinking a single may not have held much appeal.

Bat Belt Third.

giantc

Bochy knows 7 man bullpens — I worry about him with a 13-man bullpen where he has admitted that he wants to see what his journeymen from Fresno have. Bochy cannot help himself.

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PV: Leave Penney alone.

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Catchers take a lot of hits to the head. Bochy’s head, being large enough to alter a pitches trajectory by gravitational forces, took more hits than it should have.

Drain bamage results.

Foothills Ryan

Let’s just go ahead and replace Sandoval in that earlier lineup:

Pagan
Scutaro
Posey
Pence
Belt
Arias
Crawford
Blanco
Pitcher

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p.s. the polar bear in the bullpen was Penny – we definitely lead the league in blubber…

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It may have more to do with Bochy being unable to manage with a big lead in the division, so he’s getting it back to his comfort level.

Hire a career .500 manager, and you should expect to always return to the field.

The Oracle

Sandoval is probably at least 20 lbs too heavy too fight in the UFC.

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WoW GoDaddy.com crashed today.

pacman68

I think Tracy’s lips were saying.

PLEASE FIRE ME AND GET ME THE HELL OUT OF THIS AWFUL PURPLE UNIFORM!!

livefree

Theriot? No lefty can come in here and put down a bunt to get on base?

Bernard

Why the pinch hit for Blanco? Theriot of all players? Ugh.

giantc

Affeldt vs. Otero — this game would likely be tied if Bochy did not pitch a AAAA pitcher when he still had a complete bullpen. Affeldt easily pitches through the passed ball/wild pitch while Otero gives up 4 straight hits.

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If huff gets a hit, I sing the kangaroo song.

livefree

Huff went to left as the tying run … good time to retire on top!

cyan

Rally time! Nice hit from Huff.

The Oracle

Good job by Huff. That makes once that I’ve said that.

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“My father slew a kangaroo
He gave me the grizzly part to chew
Now wasn’t that a terrible thing to do
To give me to chew
The grizzly part
Of a dead kangaroo.”

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Stickman the extra two runs are due to Sandovals two out error.

Obrother

Man many of you guys are way to much. The Giants are having a bad game and the doom and gloom squad comes out in full force. Such comments that Voglesong must have been on PED’s, ” voglesucks” , ” fat panda” etc etc really fringe on childless behavior. This blog is jekyll and Hyde from one day (win) to another ( loss). Baseball is a game that’s played 162 times a year by your team plus playoffs. Here’s some news for many of you- no team wins every game. Or as my DI said in USMC boot camp in the 60’s” no s* it Dick Tracey” whenever we pulled a bonehead move. I’m just surprised how many act when we are losing a game. It’s weird

pacman68

Huff has had some solid at bats lately.

The Oracle

Bochy became slightly aroused at Huff’s line drive.

cyan

Pagan!!

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Kuiper just woke up, too.

livefree

Wow … pretty good coupla ABs there.

Calling the missing squeeze play!

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Giantc I thought Otero threw a two out ground ball that Sandoval booted?

livefree

Bochy hates the squeeze … he really needs a call from the Humm Baby.

The Oracle

Bochy ought to tell Sandoval he’ll take him to Dairy Queen if he gets a hit here.

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Scutaro tried to shoot it through the right side hole, darn.

wan8iv

Scut smoked that ball buzzards luck

pacman68

How come Bochy doesn’t like to squeeze?

Come on Pablo!!!!

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Still no big hits in the PANDA!

livefree

I really dont know …you’ve got a tie game sitting there. Very little can go wrong with Scoots and Peg.

May well be game losing decision

Giant PITA

Way to end yet another inning Fatty!

wan8iv

Scut for sure can squeeze but Bochy doesn’t believe in that

cyan

Sigh. Pablo needs to pick it up both defensively and offensively. He is terrible right now.

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WoW that ones on Scoots. Middle infielders playing back. Ground ball to SS ties the game…

Giants should set a weight limit for fat panda and make him weigh in for each game. Too heavy no play! Then keep moving the limit down on him slowly until it is at his optimal playing weight.

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Did anyone else see the pink elephant in the LF bleachers on that last Pablo fly out? It was next to the hooka smoking caterpillar.

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If Sandavol’s not hitting it might be best to put ARIAS at 3rd for a few games just to give him a breather and then maybe come back to him later in the week. It wouldn’t hurt.

stickman

Is it clear to everyone yet? Fat 0 for five clear at the keystone three-hole in the lineup. Two more stranded in scoring position. Arias gets a start, batting sixth. Belt third. Pablo comes back, he assumes the position vacated by his replacement for the nonce, Arias.

giantc

Clutch — Otero is terrible. Sandoval should have made the play, but unlike Affeldt who pitched through an “error” wild pitch, Otero turned into batting practice. He should not be pitching in a pennant race.

pacman68

All Bochy had to do was bunt and the game would have been tied.

— Brings in AAA pitching in a 2 run game.
— Doesn’t bunt Peg home on easy squeeze play.

Matthew

Oh, Panda….

I don’t agree on the squeeze.. Scutaro has been so clutch in those situations getting hits, or getting the run home. Why give up that out with a guy with that track record? To go for a tie? With the lead run at second?

wan8iv

Clutchup– Scutaro smoked that ball all u can do as a player is hit the ball hard. It’s not as easy as it looks on TV

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The squeeze can be a great play, element of surprise unless the Rox pitchout. With middle IF’s playing back Bochy gave Scutaro a chance to hit a routine ground ball to 2B or SS…

Not “believing” in the squeeze play is like not believing in a double play. Yet I’ve never heard Bochy asked why he disdains it, even with the odds clearly favor it as the most likely way to score 1 run. Maybe he’ll say he was playing for 2 on the road, etc etc., but that logic only applies to sac bunts that wont score the tying run

Ed Goodson

I agree with Wany. The squeeze play with Scutaro would have been ideal. And how long does Pablo occupy the 3rd hole? Hopefully not much longer.

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I think my brain broke. Is anyone else having trouble with their tv leaning to the right unless they lift their foot off the ottoman? Pablo could probably make a good ottoman.

Foothills Ryan

No probs with Arias at third here on out. 2010 redux is a-okay

Foothills Ryan

How did Peguero not score on a double from first anyway? must not have gotten to wall.

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Idea. Teach Arias to do “jazz hands” and well be set for the post season at 3B.

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Wan8iv=agreed completely, I was touting that Scoots has a rare gift of being able to handle the bat better than any other Giant, thus that drilled was too hard and too direct to the Rox firstbaseman so Pegs had to hold…

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Footy: he barely beat the LF’s throw to third via KNBR…

Giant PITA

Footy and CU, the ball did not get all the way to the wall. Pegs hustled and made it to 3rd. That was the best he was doing on that hit.

Giant PITA

When you have the likely NL MVP hitting behind you and still can’t get it going, you suck! Play Arias!

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Livefree and Goody: what do we say here if they pitch out and Scoots can’t get bat on ball? I think Scoots could have dragged on his own but was looking to hit a “middle ground ball” due to how well he “handles the bat”. Oh well let’s win it the hard way.

You’re correct that THAT is the risk, Clutch. Except, it almost never happens. The risk of making an unproductive out is actually higher.

OF course, part of the reason no one pitches out is because Bochy doesn’t squeeze. So maybe he’s setting up the league for the playoffs.

Giant PITA

Pablo hitting 3rd? You mean making outs in the 3 hole? Yes he needs to be moved down the order at a minimum and preferably to the bench.

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My god I am out of it. Anyone else see a giant purple dinosaur behind home plate?

wan8iv

this loss is on the Panda but he’s such a slob he won’t care–that DP in the first inning was just putrid by him

Kristi

This game is on Panda. How much rope is Bochy going to give him…..

wan8iv

13 hits and not one even close by the fat slob

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Good
Night
Gracie

Giant PITA

only 5 runs on 13 hits, but would have been enough if Pablo was not playing tonight.

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Huge win yesterday!

livefree

I’d say it’s on Bochy … he keeps Panda in the 3rd spot, he put minor leaguers on the mound, and he refuses to tie the game with a squeeze.

But no matter … the Dodgers have given up … did you see their demeanor even after a “big” win on Sat? They were dogging it.

Gee, it’s great to have truly hate-worthy Dodgers again!

pacman68

The Wisdom Cow

I’m crying from laughing so hard.

cyan

Vogey off the hook for the loss, but he’s still not looking good. Pablo’s errors were costly, and overall he had a terrible night. Missed opportunities again, but there’s another game tomorrow and Bumgarner is due for a good outing.

— Bringing in junk to pitch.
— Letting lard man bat 3rd.
— And not squeezing when the 3rd base and SS are playing back.

Foothills Ryan

What to do with the lineup should give Bochy some headaches.

How will Belt’s singles play in the 5 hole. Pence is no great shakes either, but at least he’s a threat to put it in the seats because he swings so hard and so erratically. Sandoval deserves to grab some pine. Arias will out defend him – and it is becoming clear that may out hit him as well.

5 games up but there are problems ahead. Can this team beat the Reds or the Nationals? Let alone the Braves or Cardinals. I’m not sure.

Giant PITA

Livefree (and TWC) are right. It’s on Bochy. Fat Panda doesn’t write his name in the LU and bat himself 3rd. Wake up Big Head! Change it up tomorrow. Why wait?

choyboy0724

pacman.. would that be the brain dead bochy that is the manager of a first place team up 5 games in their division? just making sure.

AJL

I love it when boch fails, to bad the team goes down with him. Any body know pablow’s due date? Flukosong strikes again.

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Livefree: Squeeze: Agree but they also prob don’t even practice it. If for example Pegs leaves too early, Rox 3baseman yells runner, Rox P alters location, scoots fouls it off and stays alive. I like your take, setting league up for play offs.

jimsan15

cyan says:
September 10th, 2012 at 8:57 pm

Vogey off the hook for the loss, but he’s still not looking good.
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he did get the lose

jimsan15

loss that is

Giant PITA

Night all. I’m going to put a panda hat on my kids bozo punching bag and take my anger out on it.

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Pacman; squeezing has zero to do with SS or 2b playing back. Successful squeeze comes from element of surprise, proper technique and CORNERS playing back. What the Hey?

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Giants lost because they did not execute on defense or offense. Let Arias become 2010 Uribe and move on, flush the loss and play tomorrow. You can’t be so out of balance to say Great win team yesterday and You Stink today. What kind of real fan does that. Tuurn the page.

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Vogey stubborn: shakes off Posey more than any other Pitcher. Fastball fastball fastball…

Foothills Ryan

ClutchUp = Bob Seger

“Turn the page”

cyan

jimsan15, thanks. Brain fart moment there. According to twitter reports, Bochy has no plans to move Pablo out of the 3 hole because it will mess with the offense continuity. He also has no concern about Vogelsong and says he’s healthy and should be fine.

Foothills Ryan

Issue’s going down the stretch towards the playoffs. But at least we didn’t drop a quarter billion on our issues. Dodgers got issues a plenty. Hey, even the Nationals have issues. Their “Natitude” is probably WTF – does our ownership want to win – or something like that.

What can you say about Vogelsong though – his teams behind the 8 ball every time he takes the mound?

Sandoval is a joke of a professional. Talented, sure. But unprofessional all the way. Trade him and good riddance. Giants fans want ball players, not gimmicks.

Matthew

The Bochy Way tells me that being up 5 games, he sees no reason to pull Panda or change the lineup. We all know the drill… Alex may ask him (once, no follow ups by anyone) and he’ll say ” well, we gotta get him going there. He’s had some good at bats lately” which is revisionist history. It won’t change until or if it gets real tight.

As for pushing the point… Writers are willing to ask Harbaugh 3 times today about the Schwatrz handshake, and NO Giants beat writers are ever willing to go past one question on ANY of Bochy’s questionable items. Why is that? What am I missing?

Foothills Ryan

Is that a premonition Cyan?

bet you’re right.

Keep this lead at 5 is all we ask.

Matthew

So, have you all noticed at the game, when Renel announces the next batter, she gives extra emphasis to garner cheers for those that are marketed the heaviest? The way she screams out “Pavlo Sandoval” it’s like Michael Buffer on Speed… Yells it out, and the non-fan lemmings cheer like crazy.

There are many reasons why this franchise seems to have Pablo’s back… Perhaps Sabean can talk sense into the executive committee this off seaon and move him while they can still get something back….

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Pick the freaking batting order out of a hat. Everyone has an SF on the jersey front. LU Doesn’t matter if your thirdbaseman boots a two out ball and our former ace of our staff gives up an HR to the opposing pitcher…

cyan

Foothills, no premonition. Just some reports that I saw on twitter from our beat writers, Pavlovic and Schulman when Bochy was asked about Pablo and Vogey.

Matthew

Cyan, if the reports are true…and I have no doubt that they are… How embarrassing yet AGAIN.

Now, once again, Alex… I love your writing… Why would you NOT follow up with another question such as ” isn’t the continuity more disturbed by such a constant string of unsuccessful at bats out of the 3 hole? ” or ” so, are you saying this is the clear set lineup for the rest of the way regardless of what Pablo does?”

Why are there no decently tough follow up questions? I would clearly fail as a reporter.. I would be ostracized in that room

Foothills Ryan

Maybe Sandoval homers twice tomorrow. Makes web-gem stops.

Maybe he hits .230 the rest of the way with more errors than HRs.

We’ll find out soon enough.

Matthew

Well..though Clutch has issues with him…. At least Baggs has the guts to say it… You should all go see his game recap on CSN Bay Area.com.

Nailed it.

Just imagine Bruce if this were Belt going through this kind of a two month stretch….unacceptable difference of methods.

There has been nothing in 2012 that has shown that Pablo can be an everyday player, let alone at a key spot in the lineup.

Scutaro had one bad at bat with RISP and we are shocked. How many will Pablo have? And, will we ever be shocked by that? Nope, we expect it. And, do not forget the clear upgrade on defense that Arias offered in Pablo’s absence. It is time for a change.

stickman

A truly stupid loss due to the bullheaded obtuseness of a certain gentleman who has a certain level of control over the on-field activities of the San Francisco National League baseball team. No need to name names here. We all know the identity of the donor of this gift to the Colorado National League baseball team and their fans.

If certain suggested changes are not made there will be a certain number of Giants Extra bloggers, to say nothing of less outwardly expressive fans if the broad consensus changes are not made and this team does not go deep into October as their 13 hit attack tonight would tend to indicate ought to be the destiny of this talented but somewhat disorganized team.

Foothills Ryan

That was a great write up by Baggs.

If you boiled all those words down it might say:

Vogelsong and Sandoval stunk.

Happ2125

Pablo Sandoval is killing this lineup in the 3 hole and his error cost us the game. Belt needs to be in the 3 hole, even though he struck out to end the game that is do or die at the end there, but he puts up much better at bats then Pablo and gets on base a whole lot more than him.

But yeah, Bochy didn’t look happy but why do you put a guy like Otero in a 4-2 ballgame, doesn’t matter if it is the Rockies and it totally isn’t Otero’s fault cause Pablo’s error would’ve ended then inning but yeah. We need to take 2 out of 3 and finish this series off and don’t give Dodgers any ideas because we got to face the D-Backs who have our number and always play us tough.

So yeah, we face Chacin and then Francis. But it will be up to our pitching and defense to keep us at bay and give our offense a chance to do something instead of playing catchup all the time.

Boxergar

Forget about El Gordo batting anywhere in the lineup. Sit him NOW! Arias could not be any worst and he can run.

I suspect El Gordo weighs at least 260. The Giants need to hit him in his wallet regarding his weight. They need to take a hard line with him.

If his weight continues, this might be his last year in MLB.

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What Stickman said…

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Boxergar? Sandovalaks easily @ 275+

Happ2125

Arias should be at 3B vs lefties and Pablo sitting. He can’t hit right handed well and he hasn’t even hit one homerun since coming off disabled list, still stuck on 8 from earlier in season. But yeah, Pablo needs to wake it up. He hasn;t been under the microscope cause we have been winning ballgames but yeah I can see he will be the guy to hold this team back if he doesn’t pick it up. He is in a run producing spot in 3 hole and he has too many 1 pitch outs and grounds into double plays, etc.

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Alcohol fueled KNBR calls. Someone wants Hector @ third base. Lol

fanfor life

Stubborn Boche needs to sit Panda–the guy is awful, cannot
hit or field. Panda’s last HR was year’s ago and his fielding is
no longer acceptable–but odds are Boche will continue to play
him and bat him 3rd–AMAZING!!

CB

@Boxergar This won’t be Sandoval’s last year in the MLB. Don’t overexaggerate. His weight is always an issue, but that is a non-factor in his play. He needs to be more disciplined and pick it up on the offensive side. He hasn’t hit one homerun since coming off disabled list and has had some productive outs and at bats at times, but he needs to hit extra bases, work the counts better. Cause his aggressiveness is who he is but it aint working right now. Boch needs to get him out of 3 hole. Maybe flip flop him or Belt or move Scutaro down to 3 and move Blanco up to the hole and have Pablo bat 7th. I like Belt in 6 slot so moving Blanco up there in 2 hole should help as he can do a lot with the bat as far as hit and run, bunt, work the count etc. Not a great hitter but yeah. Scutaro is a solid hitter and run producer and off the bat I thought his hit to right side was a shot and going to be a two run single but it was right at Pacheco at 1B and it was shocking and Pablo had a chance to pick him up and redeem and give us the lead and he faltered. And cost us the game on both sides. Big 0 for 5 from the 3 slot and a crucial error.

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@948 Baggs? He still gets read and repped here? (Chuckle)

CB

Crawford needs to be at SS everyday but platooning Arias and Pablo at 3rd would be a wakeup call for Pablo and an upgrade defensively. We face 4 lefties in a row and Pablo isn’t necessarily strong from the right side in general so yeah. Arias might be a solid option there or having Arias at SS one game, Theriot at 2B and slide Scutaro to 3B. He was solid there in Pablo’s absence as well. And Scutaro is a run producer and solid player all around so yeah. Boch has a lot of options and I think he is platooning the wrong guy. The plays Crawford makes and I don’t think it really affects him facing lefties. He has good at bats, isn’t afraid to walk and isnt going to wow you with .300 but is solid in that 8 spot and plays tremendous defense.

CB

Belt n Crawford need to be in there everyday because defense is valued as you see in a ballgame like today where an error can kill you. Belt was charged with an error on a play that didnt hurt us and was smoked to his right and richocheted off of him but yeah. Belt is producing offensively and has been stellar all season at 1B so it happens. But Pablo has made some boneheaded plays defensively and his offense is killing us right now, especially from 3 hole. I want the real Kung Fu Panda back.

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@Matt tks I wiill now go read thru you’re reco. My problem is subtle with Baggs. Nothing to do with game stories. It was thong, divorce and Melky related. Tks ffor the headsup!

Foothills Ryan

Matthew says:
September 10th, 2012 at 9:41 pm

Well..though Clutch has issues with him…. At least Baggs has the guts to say it… You should all go see his game recap on CSN Bay Area.com.

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ClutchUp says:
September 10th, 2012 at 9:59 pm

@948 Baggs? He still gets read and repped here? (Chuckle)

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Yes, apparently Clutch has issues with Baggs. What member of the Bay Area media does Clutch not have issues with ? Very short, exclusive list.

Sandoval just needs to be shipped to the A.L. Where he can die a Dmitri Young death of overweight hacking ballplayers. Perhaps he can provide the framework for bringing back Shin-soo Choo.

JC

Let’s not panic off one game. Can’t win em all although it would have been nice to win this game after we really didn’t play well and didn’t pitch well. Buster gave us that chance with his day at the plate and that is why he is the most valuable player.

Yes, Pablo had a bad game and made an error that cost us two runs and ultimately cost us the game but yeah. The real picture,we are still up 5 games on Dodgers and we come back and win tomorrow. Got the Mad Bum on the mound. Hopefully Belt and Pablo are switched in the lineup or Blanco moves up to 2 hole and slide Scutaro to 3 hole and Pablo down to 7 hole. Give him a wake up call and then sit him Sunday vs a lefty and give Arias and/or Theriot a chance to start in his place.

But yeah, the big worry for me is Ryan Vogelsong. He seems to be tiring out and this is only second full season since coming back so yeah. It is starting to look like our playoff rotation will be Bum, Cainer, Timmy and Zeets. Vogey still can turn it around but his 2nd half slump is starting to concern me.

mitchvman

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Agreed with Pac, very funny!!!

mitchvman

Chronicle Live agrees with my Zito assessment being left off the Playoff Roster!