Because MJ making rookies cry during practice, or punching teammates, or having an enormous gambling addiction make him the classiest dude around. Kobe is a deuche, yes. MJ is at the same level of deuchery as kobe though.

I met Pete Rose when I was a kid at a baseball card show, that he was signing autographs at. My dad gave me a Racing Form to have him sign and I had no idea what I was doing. Mr. Rose said this was the first time anyone had asked him to sign something gambling related but for a kid hed do it. It took a few years for me to realize how funny that was. It is still hanging in my game room. hahaha

As for Kobe, he always runs his mouth, whats new. Still a great ball player and Smush really was terrible. Did anybody see Jalen Rose's story about the night Kobe scored 81. Jalen's stories are already hilarious.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7VlyeWgL8E

I think you meant to say "downside" not "downfall". A talent like Kobe doesn't have a basketball downfall. Personally, clearly he is not everyone's favorite.

On paper the Lakers have the best team in the league, hopefully they can put it to good use. The passing of the torch to Dwight will be fun.

Edit: Cue mjfan's rant about how terrible Kobe is, both personally and as a player. All his faults are __________ and Michael Jordan and Lebron are 8x the player.

Before long, we will hear mjfan's Uncle Rico-like rants about he is better than so and so and how big a star he could be if only coach had put him in for the big game. He can throw a basketball over a mountain.

Before long, we will hear mjfan's Uncle Rico-like rants about he is better than so and so and how big a star he could be if only coach had put him in for the big game. He can throw a basketball over a mountain.

This makes no sense... I was a big star. I was always in the game. And throwing a basketball over a mountain would be a waste of a basketball. Get it together.

He is offensive.
#'s 1 and 2 both have more offensive ability.
Cant be in the top 3 if you have no game other than scoring. He is just not a winner, Ask Denver and NY. KLove, DWilliams. DRose all have more well rounded games...more valuable.

He is offensive.
#'s 1 and 2 both have more offensive ability.
Cant be in the top 3 if you have no game other than scoring. He is just not a winner, Ask Denver and NY. KLove, DWilliams. DRose all have more well rounded games...more valuable.

People said for YEARS Dirk wasnt a winner...

LBJ - cant shoot... Melo can shoot anywhere.

Durant - cant play in the post... Melo has the body to bang and post up.

Dirk is in the "downfall" of his career now, leave him alone.
Just cant get on your Melo bandwagon. His reputation as a scorer is surpassed only by his stellar rep of not playing any D. I think he is a little fat too.

His team was better last year without him than they were with him. I liked the guy coming out of Syracuse and he has the potential, but he just hasn't put it together. Not even close to being a top 3 player in the league. If he stopped shooting so many jumpers and played some, any, kind of defense he has the potential to be a top 3 player in the league. Right now you have a problem convincing me he's even in the top 10.

22.6 ppg on 43% shooting and 33% from 3 is far from top 3 in the NBA.

And nothing personal, I hate Kobe as much as the next guy. But you commonly refer to him as garbage because he's a volume shooter and that's it. If that's the case, how in the hell can you support Carmelo as the third best player in the league? They've both averaged about 19 shots a game in their careers, about 45% from the field and 25 ppg. Their career scoring numbers are eerily similar. If Kobe is a trash volume shooter by your account then isn't Carmelo the same?

Dirk is in the "downfall" of his career now, leave him alone.
Just cant get on your Melo bandwagon. His reputation as a scorer is surpassed only by his stellar rep of not playing any D. I think he is a little fat too.

Dirk is awesome.... Yes his career is winding down, but hes one of the best. But alot of people blasted him for years for not winning one. Same with Melo

Melo always has been "fat"... but hes down like 20 lbs to start the season.

His team was better last year without him than they were with him. I liked the guy coming out of Syracuse and he has the potential, but he just hasn't put it together. Not even close to being a top 3 player in the league. If he stopped shooting so many jumpers and played some, any, kind of defense he has the potential to be a top 3 player in the league. Right now you have a problem convincing me he's even in the top 10.

22.6 ppg on 43% shooting and 33% from 3 is far from top 3 in the NBA.

And nothing personal, I hate Kobe as much as the next guy. But you commonly refer to him as garbage because he's a volume shooter and that's it. If that's the case, how in the hell can you support Carmelo as the third best player in the league? They've both averaged about 19 shots a game in their careers, about 45% from the field and 25 ppg. Their career scoring numbers are eerily similar. If Kobe is a trash volume shooter by your account then isn't Carmelo the same?

Melo has had several years shooting 48, 49 percent.

As for Melo and Kobe... Cmon now. Kobe had everything handed to him via the Diesel. People game plan around Melo, they game planed around Shaq.

And to use your very own point.. Alot of people thought Kobe was the best player in the league for several years ( he wasnt, top 5 tho). You said it yourself there numbers are VERY similiar, so is Carmelo the best player in the league!??

And to get back to your original comments, what about MJ's comments at his HOF introduction. Those comments had to make him the biggest ahole of all time. If you think kobe is being a deusch, you would have to be a hypocrite to think MJ isnt.

And to get back to your original comments, what about MJ's comments at his HOF introduction. Those comments had to make him the biggest ahole of all time. If you think kobe is being a deusch, you would have to be a hypocrite to think MJ isnt.

Jordans speech was the classic story of how he became the greatest player to ever play the game. It was the story of how he became who he was...

Out of 134 players that met qualifications to be considered (a player must be on pace to make 55 three-point field goals), LBJ ranked in the top 20%.... CA was in the top 40%(37%). LBJ ranked 27th, CA 50th.... You are talking about guys putting up some 3's....and making them. You're also talking about NBA players, guys that are not only on the teams, but on the court and allowed to be jacking 3's like that. So I think the numbers mean something.

Are the numbers all telling, no. But, I think you can take those numbers and make a case.

Do you think their offensive games are that dissimilar? They primarily score in vastly different ways?