'Extreme Measures' really bugged me

Considering all of Bashir's high-minded talk about how the ends don't justify the means and how 31 needs to be destroyed, his actions are pretty objectionable.

He blatantly lies to Starfleet Command, he's indirectly responsible for Sloan's death, and then he forces his way into Sloan's mind - a situation we've seen compared to rape in numerous other episodes.

It's not even that so much that bothers me. It's that he doesn't seem to understand what he has done. This was basically his "In the Pale Moonlight." But does he have regrets? No. He plays darts and drinks with O'Brien while patting himself on the back for his ingenuity.

They were looking for information, they were not attempting to sexually dominate him.

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It is not an "absolutely inept analogy" at all. It is still "absolutely" an invasion, whether there is a sexual element or not. There's a reason Bashir had to procure highly illegal devices to pull it off in the first place.

I think we've seen that a lot of Bashir's experiences during the DS9 years, especially the stuff with 31 and Garak, were about a naive and cocky guy becoming seasoned. Was Extreme Measures squeaky clean morality? Definitely not. But it was certainly a more defensible act than what we've seen 31 do. Bashir is a duly authorized civil servant, he reported what he was doing to his CO, he undertook the dirty deed to save his friend and prevent a genocide, and he gave Sloan the opportunity to simply give him what he wanted.

It's too bad Martok couldn't supply one of those Klingon mindsifters that Kor threatened Kirk with in "Errand of Mercy". I always wondered why they didn't rate a mention in TNG. Instead, the Romulans seemed to have something that did the same thing.

They were looking for information, they were not attempting to sexually dominate him.

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It is not an "absolutely inept analogy" at all. It is still "absolutely" an invasion, whether there is a sexual element or not. There's a reason Bashir had to procure highly illegal devices to pull it off in the first place.

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In a universe where telepaths exists, reading someone's mind isn't an invasion.

The issue would be that species like Betazoids can't help but read your thoughts, you're more or less broadcasting them as if you had spoken the thoughts out loud. Of course it's a different matter with Bashir and say Spock in STVI as they imposed their will on the minds of others. They had a choice and did what they did against the will of the other person, I'd say that would be classed as an "invasion".

Considering all of Bashir's high-minded talk about how the ends don't justify the means and how 31 needs to be destroyed, his actions are pretty objectionable.

He blatantly lies to Starfleet Command, he's indirectly responsible for Sloan's death, and then he forces his way into Sloan's mind - a situation we've seen compared to rape in numerous other episodes.

It's not even that so much that bothers me. It's that he doesn't seem to understand what he has done. This was basically his "In the Pale Moonlight." But does he have regrets? No. He plays darts and drinks with O'Brien while patting himself on the back for his ingenuity.

Pretty disturbing if you ask me.

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Honestly? I'm more disturbed by Bashir wiping Kurn's mind. Not only did he effectively "kill" Kurn, but he did it without his consent and he didn't seem to bat an eye. To me that was one of the worst out of character moments for Bashir. A Starfleet doctor engaging in that?

At least with Sloan, it came out of desperation to save his friend - Odo. He also didn't intend to kill Sloan (although mental rape is not that much "nicer"). I do agree it is odd that Bashir felt so non-chalant at the end. He seemed to be just enjoying the "high" that he got from helping his friend and saving his life.

You are right though that this episode showed that Section 31 was right. Bashir had the nerve to thumb his nose at the notion of the ends justify the means and yet he engaged in that mindset when he needed to save Odo. Later on, his little gamble here led, indirectly, to the end of the Dominion War. I almost wonder if that was his first step to a much darker view on things...

Unfortunately it happened so close to the end of the show that we never got to any real fall out from Bashir on what he had done.