I have to admit it has some of Li's frame's caracter but that's about it. Where did all this Sun-like transitions appear from?

Edit: Supposedly it's Wang Yusheng from Dalian. Anyone heard about this guy? Here's another video where he performes the sword form. Again, it's very similar to the one Li teached but with large differences in specific movements applications.

You know, whenever people bring up pics or video of other Yang style teachers the inevitable reaction here is: that looks interesting; many similarities to what we do and some differences. Almost doesn't matter which teacher you bring up. We are not here in the role of putting our stamp of good taiji on other teachers! Or policing the taiji community. So I hope you aren't going to pursue the line of 'what does the Yang family think of....'.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by dr.zero:<B>Being in the LYX lineage I am curious whenever he's referenced as a teacher/instructor of something I have never heard of or seen. For example, where did this come from?

I have to admit it has some of Li's frame's caracter but that's about it. Where did all this Sun-like transitions appear from?

Edit: Supposedly it's Wang Yusheng from Dalian. Anyone heard about this guy? Here's another video where he performes the sword form. Again, it's very similar to the one Li teached but with large differences in specific movements applications.

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Good Morning Dr Zero,

In my little view you raise very good questions. Questions necessary to better understand what you do, how you do it, and why you do it this or that way. All needed to improve one's practice.

But, in light of recent responses, perhaps a better method would be to go private - I am immediately after this. I don't know much about Li's frame or that of his descendent students, but certainly the questions you pose are important to better understand your practice. In fact, that was what led me to seek the views of some of those some here have now labeled gossip and innuendo. Certainly, small minded me with so little skill, perhaps may be viewed as less than a good source. But, I invite others to do what I did - go to these sources. Is it not better to hear what the grandson, e.g., of Chen Weiming, says than read some opinion or speculation from an outside student of an outside student, etc.? To call descriptions from Zhao, Fu, Nui's descendents, YZJ, Yan, Jasmine, Ye Dami, Qu, Huang, others as gossip and innuendo is clearly enough to show a different agenda. For those interested, it is really not that difficult to gather the views & descriptions from those people. Want to hear what the grandson of Du Winwu says about 'lightness skill' training? Just ask him. Such research is definitely do-able. It 'ain't' that difficult. After talking with or reading these people, please tell me if you still think what they say is gossip & innuendo.

Best wishes in your pursuit & study. Please give my best regards to Master CLX and his colleagues. Dr. Zero, I wish all such people health & happiness.

It is good to get away from the status quo and actually ask questions but many just accept things as they are and peculiarly wonder why they do not progress in taijiquan, whether intellectually, martially or otherwise!

Sorry but my next example is not from the Yang family and may offend but…

Tung Hu Ling counted it as 81 but he did not count the repeats, Tung Ying Chieh called it the long form and placed no numbers on it. Yang family, and please correct me if I am wrong, I believe calls it 103 now or 108 or something like that.