Ronald Weinland (nothing yet...)

Since (as I often mention), so many prophecies that must proceed this, have not taken place, I certainly don't see any major end time events (we're
talkiing the last 3 1/2 years kind of stuff) taking place this year.

Just the basics...things like the 1260 days, where we have the armies of the Beast Power surrounding Jerusalem to desolate it..this has not occurred.
This is going to be is a physical event, it is not a spiritual event as RW states.

Christ ALREADY interpreted this prophecy. And how He interpreted this was very clear, it's physical, if you go through the different Gospels and also
in Daniel, it's clearly physical.

I do not think RW will accept the fact that after 45-90, his prophecies "failing", he will again take the tactic that he misinterpreted something,
and that the events are spiritual in nature.

And worse, it will probably take Christ NOT SHOWING UP, to wake up some RW supporters. I hope 45 days will be enough for most.

Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib_2
The greek word for "kill" is apokteinO..
It is the same in both places, in other words, the killing is physical, not spiritual.

ie the Two Witnesses will kill by miraculous power (not by guns), and at the end of their ministry they will be martyred.

This will be NECESSARY. When it says " if any man will hurt them" : it's not talking about "verbal persecution", it's talking about people
trying to lay hands on them to throw them in jail or to kill them. Their (the 2 witnesses) response will be to "slay them" with a word. This will
done, in order that they may proceed with their work. It will not be indiscrimate killing just for the heck of it.

I do not see RW doing this any day soon.

Nobody has tried to kill them yet.

Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib_2
So far...
No plagues
No rivers of blood.
No breathing fire (I can accept that this part is figurative, but the death of their enemies will be physical and real)

This takes place over a 3 1/2 year period. This has only just begun, and we are still in the passover season.

Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib_2
1/3 Trees on earth, still here.
100% Grass on earth, still here.

The Bibile does not directly say it will be 1/3 of tree/grass over the whole earth (and before you quote, check into the greek meaning of the word
earth, it also means fixed boundary, as in a single country). And Ron said this will happen in the next 7 weeks, he didn't say it should have already
happened.

Why not be patient until the time passes, then you can sream false prohet to your hearts content, without possibly digging yourself into a hole?

Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib
Since (as I often mention), so many prophecies that must proceed this, have not taken place, I certainly don't see any major end time events (we're
talkiing the last 3 1/2 years kind of stuff) taking place this year.

And as I often mention, they have indeed come to pass, you just seem to have a problem accepting it.

Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib
Just the basics...things like the 1260 days, where we have the armies of the Beast Power surrounding Jerusalem to desolate it..this has not occurred.
This is going to be is a physical event, it is not a spiritual event as RW states.

If this does happen physcially, wouldn't it make sense that this happens DURING the tribulation?

Originally posted by SirPaulMuaddib
I do not think RW will accept the fact that after 45-90, his prophecies "failing", he will again take the tactic that he misinterpreted something,
and that the events are spiritual in nature.

So you've said over and over, but you don't seem to have the patience to simply wait and see.

I've been watching this discussion and others. Of course nothing has happened but the earth will continue to quake all over - that's what it is
constantly doing. However, before 18th I was sure RW would wait until Pentecost. I'm right, but that doesn't make me a Prophet 'although being a
Profit might be nice!', I was wondering; if nothing significant happens on May 11th will he wait for the Eastern date others use for Pentecost which
is June 15th. And if nothing happens then what other excuse would come?
I predict that RW will be proven false (genuine no doubt but false none the less) and I'd like everyone to send me money and join my new church of
disbelief which will be disbanded no later than 15th June as it will no longer be needed.
Seriously though, many of you have quoted scripture. So did Satan, and very correctly too I might add. Quoting scripture or knowing it means you know
the logos word. RW claims to have Rhema word - but now we'll have to wait till June.... hopefully there will be no more stalling after that...

There is one thing that is certain. The earth is changing and stuff will continue to happen, but if I were to say "God has given me the authority and
bad things will happen this year" all I would need to do is wait until a minor earthquake appears and say "See I told you". But if I were to say RW
will die of say Stomach cancer, and he did... that would be noteworthy. Specifics are what shows or reveals a true prophet. So far...(and who knows
maybe he'll get lucky)... there is absolutley nothing of evidence.
A good heart no doubt but I'm very worried about his mind. Many many people have been deluded thinking they were doing Gods work, history is full of
them.
So let's see what June brings shall we???? No wait... Oh it s ok, a truck passing shook the house a bit.

His wife is the best he can come up with? I would have said something like, "Gene Simmons" or something like that. Seriously, when the 1st trumpet
sounds, things should automatically start falling apart. I was a skeptic at first giving RW his due time. I think he is very knowledgeable in his
understanding of the church of God but he has a mental problem. "Wait til this day, wait til that day..." yadda.... yadda..... yadda! I need to
go to bed. Maybe when I wake up, a third world country would have nuked us. That might make me a believer in RW. Right now I trust Christ to guide
me.

I read the book August 2007. I put down the books ever since and started reading again around January 2008 to discover that he has set new dates. RW
did open my eyes towards the true meaning of the Bible, he directs me to see the Bible differently.... to the very word of Jesus; however, I was a bit
skeptical about his prophecies. Well, I live my life according to the principles of the Bible and I believe that salvation is in Jesus alone. I never
cast a single stone on RW because I know that's not what God would want me to do.

I have been reading so many hateful speeches, not just here, but boards all over the internet. It is really a manifestation of the real prophets that
were being stoned and persecuted due to their words. If this were 10 AD, i believe most of you would have dragged RW and his followers to stone them
for 'madness" reasons. I would suggest you to interpret the Bible according to what Jesus truly meant. You should base your life and experiences on
the Bible, but most of you interpret the Bible according to your experience. That's one easy way of deception.

I don't think Paul would take lightly concerning what you suggest about sitting back quietly and allowing the deceivers to move on freely deceiving.
That is called lukewarmness.

It just amazes me how everyone looks past Weinland being a False Witness (Prophet) and thinking he has hit it on the head in regard to interpreting
scripture accurately. Some will conclude, "Well, aside from being wrong about himself and wife, he is a GREAT bible teacher and understands the word
of God so accurately.” Oil does not mix with water, nor can a false prophet put out any amount of sound truth where the understanding of scripture
is concerned. A sound doctrine, established in truth, does not produce false prophets, like Herbert W. Armstrong, Ronald Weinland and Mrs. Weinland.

As far as Ronald Weinland and his wife go, and their being the two final witnesses, I tend to think we are back at the beginning, you know, Adam and
Eve, and we know how well that went.

Now we have the husband deceiving the wife. Question is, where does the serpent come in?

What zerodignity was talking about was the fact that because Weinland was a preacher for a church with the Church of God background, he preaches the
bible the way it was intended. WCG was a flop because of their leader H.W. Armstrong and PKG is a flop because of RW. The fact of the matter is that
these guys actually preached the word right. It started going south when they claimed to be prophets. It doesn't take a genius to preach truth
about the bible and these two men were far from geniuses. One only needs to look at the original Church of God founded by Christ and his diciples.
Anything after that church was a folly and it started with the Catholic church which spread into the protestant churches (baptist, methodist,
pentacostal, evangelical).

all these events got interpeted as the first 4 Thunders,
with 3 more 'sealed' (meaning unrevealed & secret) utterings
which the 7 thunders Spoke to come.

there is a disconnect here, at least to my way of thinking....
the 7 thunders spoke messages in the Book of Revelations,
and this 'Prophet' tells us the 7 thunders are really physical Events...
which progress in intensity according to his mindscape/worldview

something just doesn't jibe

but IF he's correct, we are just entering the 4th thunder of Global financial ruin..
that leaves thunder #5 parts a,b, & c.
(part of which was the break-up of the former WWCOG) ?how could the 5th Thunder precede the 1st 4 thunders?

and the 6th thunder which includes himself being revealed as the Spokesperson of the two end-time witnesses ?again another thunder preceeding the 1st
4 thunders?

and then the 7th thunder being 'the accelerated revelation of god to man'....is this supposed to encompass the prediction that the days
will be shortened which the accelerated unfolding (revelation) would result in...?

You know what, There is going to be people who believe him no matter what, and people who think he's a crazy lunatic, and then theres the people who
will believe it when they see it(me). Why are people wasting their time trying to debunk him? Why? If the poeple who dont believe them are wasting
there time and energy into hating this guy so much, they must believe him to a point or they wouldnt be wasting their time. They would write it off
and not even think about it any more, Why people, Why do you care about what this man has to say if you hate him and think he's crazy? Cant you move
on with your life? And pretend like nothing is going to happen? Cant you just Let it go? and quit trying to prove him wrong? IF HE IS WRONG......He
WILL PROVE HIMSELF WRONG, AND IF HE IS RIGHT, HE WILL PROVE HIMSELF RIGHT! thats all there is to it, stop trying to convince yourselves whether he's
right or wrong, only time will tell. And if you dont believe him, then quit wasting your time bi*ching about it.

jdposey,
it's true that we shouldn't let deceivers to roam freely; however, we should prevent that by informing the truth to other people, not stoning the
false prophets. Now, I never knew Armstrong, I only read things about Armstrong. I was born in the 80s, that's why I never knew Armstrong.
Nevertheless, I think that people shouldn't judge RW according to what Armstrong did or preached. Allow me to point out a few points there.

If you judge RW according to Armstrong work, you should disqualify Paul as a true apostle because he was a mass murderer and persecutor of Christ.
Now, if RW claims that he was blinded by strange lights, heard the divine words of Jesus, and started preaching, would you consider RW as a liar? I
bet you would, wouldn't you? Now the Bible shows examples of God using people that we would condemn to the end of the earth, Some examples: adulterer
(king David), liar (Jacob), murderer (Moses and Paul), and many others. If you were there in the 1st century, i think you would regard Paul as a false
apostle because he used to be mass murderer. Don't you think that God could use RW for the glory of God regardless if RW is a true or false
prophet?

I know that RW holds to Armstrong teaching. You claim that Armstrong made false predictions. Have you ever thought that Armstrong was simply ahead of
his time and could make mistakes about predictions? Actually, that's what happened to John in the Bible... He preached and taught that the time was
at hand, that the age was going to end (was going to happen in that generation) yet nothing global happened except the destruction of Jerusalem in 70
AD. Does that make John a false prophet as well? I would answer no... John was just ahead of his time and thinking; he didn't know that many things
still needed to be fulfilled which we are witnessing now. I agree that God works by revelations, and He reveals to those whom He wishes to reveal.
Some people understand some parts of the revelations but noone knows the whole picture yet.

Thanks for sharing you thoughts and allowing me to understand where you are coming from with your previous statement. If you ask me if I think Ronald
Weinland could still be used by God where any amount of truth is concerned, my answer would have to be, no . He is being used wonderfully for
achieving deception though. Fulfilling Jesus’ own words regarding False Prophets arising in the end time.

As for your, attempting to justify what you believe by your comparisons with Paul, King David, Jacob, Moses, I ask you, what did all of these have in
common? Yes, they were not boastful, self proclaimed Prophets. I don’t listen to what Mr. Weinland is saying about himself, or, how highly
he regards himself (One of Two Witnesses), what I do listen to is the teaching coming out of his mouth. This is how you judge. If his teaching and
fruit bear anything, it is what he has become, an offshoot of Herbert W. Armstrong, only more delusional in his self appointed stature.

Like I stated before, if anyone thinks any ounce of truth can produce a false prophet, then they need to back track and realize, error comes via
error, error does not come via truth. An apple tree can not produce a lemon. Only lemons produce lemons and, Weinland’s doctrine (Church of God-PKG)
is the lemon tree and the fruit we see is Weinland, Just as Armstrong’s doctrine (Worldwide Church of God) was a lemon and produced Armstrong.
Weinland’s roots stem from Armstrong and the two, you can not separate, when arriving at sound judgement where doctrine and error are concerned.
Both doctrine’s as well as each man, were and are, steeped in error, hence, this is why we see the boasting that we do with Weinland and have in the
past with Armstrong.

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