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Oh, I like Cartoons, but only super hero cartoons. That is why I like Pokemon Adventures, it is basically a super hero comic.The only anime that I actually like is Full Metal Alchemist, and I complain about the same things in that that I complain about here. Other than cartoons, I prefer things like Doctor Who. You know, hard core science fiction.

"played for laughs. can't believe you took it to another level though and added calcs on it."

If Pokemon Adventures was pure fantasy, then I could roll with some of the elements that I complain about, but because it tries to be science fiction, I have to complain. Guess what? Science Fiction fans are hard core. We like geeky things like physics and science. We like when the author thinks through the physics and properties of his universe. We don't mind differences in physics, but we want to be told how it all works and for it to be portrayed in a consistent manner. If we are never told about a difference in physics and how it all works, then we have to assume that the physics are the same as ours (like I have said before, genre is not an argument for the creation of the suspension of disbelief). When thing are wrong with the physics of the universe, we like to examine them and find out how and why. That is just how we roll.

Just because something is played for laughs does not make it okay. The exact same scenario was done in Wreck It Ralph and I didn't laugh there either (even though everyone else in the theater did). Fiction exist so that we have something to aspire too, and if the protagonist in fiction do things that are (morally or physically) wrong, even if it is played for laughs, then there is a problem.

I'll admit this much: Pokemon (Special or otherwise) certain does take science (at certain points) and beats it with an aluminum bat. A major offender being Yellow's lava surf.

Why do you not say Onix obviously dispersed but revive later? XD

And Agatha can change Arbok's pattern, Lorelei can use Jynx make the ice doll then use the lipstick give them frozen, Masked Man can use Swinub make the ice man not dissolved and even can move itself. We even have Kanto badges with mysterious power.

And Agatha can change Arbok's pattern, Lorelei can use Jynx make the ice doll then use the lipstick give them frozen, Masked Man can use Swinub make the ice man not dissolved and even can move itself. We even have Kanto badges with mysterious power.

Those are some examples that I hadn't thought about yet. Thanks.

I think we can all admit that the science behind Pokemon Special is pretty much non-existent. It makes pining its genre so much harder. It is not science fiction since the science (even the science of its own universe) is wrong, it is not sci-fi since it at least TRIES to explain itself and to have internal dialogues, and it isn't fantasy since it can't use "any" story-telling element to strengthen its narrative (that is to say, it is limited in what it can and can't do with its narrative). You could make an argument for why it is either sci-fi or fantasy if you really tried, but it is hard to do so because it tries (and fails) to be science fiction, sci-fi, and fantasy all at the same time.

Seriously, if you have to criticize Crys kicking Gold in the face, you'll really scrapping the bottom of the barrel of what to criticize. Criticize the other zillion things that suck in PokeSpe that require the effort like the characterization or the story-telling; the discussion on Crys' character was going good until that was brought up. Just because you didn't find it funny doesn't mean it's a problem worth criticizing over, it's another Japanese trope that means nothing to anything. A girl hitting a guy has always been played for laughs as it's a "funny"/"cute" way to show that she's embarrassed. She probably has control of her leg strength as well, so I doubt she kicked him with her full strength.

Originally Posted by Trutown

You could make an argument for why it is either sci-fi or fantasy if you really tried, but it is hard to do so because it tries (and fails) to be science fiction, sci-fi, and fantasy all at the same time.

It can't be science fiction (which is sci-fi, so I'm not sure why you separated the two?) as science is mostly glossed over and hardly there beyond a few technological items which are rarely, if at all, explained. PokeSpe certainly doesn't try to be anything involving science.

I consider it a little fantasy due to pokemon and the legends and myths that turn out to be true in some way, but mostly Adventure/Action. That seems to be a major priority as the plot revolves around there being an adventure with lots of action.

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I think we can all admit that the science behind Pokemon Special is pretty much non-existent. It makes pining its genre so much harder. It is not science fiction since the science (even the science of its own universe) is wrong, it is not sci-fi since it at least TRIES to explain itself and to have internal dialogues, and it isn't fantasy since it can't use "any" story-telling element to strengthen its narrative (that is to say, it is limited in what it can and can't do with its narrative). You could make an argument for why it is either sci-fi or fantasy if you really tried, but it is hard to do so because it tries (and fails) to be science fiction, sci-fi, and fantasy all at the same time.

It can't be science fiction (which is sci-fi, so I'm not sure why you separated the two?) as science is mostly glossed over and hardly there beyond a few technological items which are rarely, if at all, explained. PokeSpe certainly doesn't try to be anything involving science.

Actually, it's entirely possible for sci-fi to never even try to make sense- that's called "soft" sci-fi, as opposed to "hard" sci-fi which is the sort filled with technobabble and things following some sort of internal logic. That being said, the line between fantasy and sci-fi is easy to blur, and I'd say that's something the Pokemon franchise does as a whole. But hey, let's get back on topic. :P

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It can't be science fiction (which is sci-fi, so I'm not sure why you separated the two?) as science is mostly glossed over and hardly there beyond a few technological items which are rarely, if at all, explained. PokeSpe certainly doesn't try to be anything involving science.

I consider it a little fantasy due to pokemon and the legends and myths that turn out to be true in some way, but mostly Adventure/Action. That seems to be a major priority as the plot revolves around there being an adventure with lots of action.

4) Scientific principles that are new or that contradict accepted laws of nature, for example time travel, wormholes, or faster-than-light travel (instant teleportation of living organisms, the wormhole into the Distortion World, and time travel).

5) New and different political or social systems (it is never outright stated that there are different political systems in Pokemon Adventures, but we do know that it has a very different social system).

6) Paranormal abilities such as mind control, telepathy, telekinesis, and teleportation (Pokemon Adventures has all of these).

7) Other universes or dimensions and travel between them (the Distortion World).

So I guess that is another unpopular opinion: I don't like how Pokemon Adventures cannot decide if it is of the Science Fiction, Sci-Fi, or Fantasy genre.

Well, he's an one you won't see much of: I like Yellow and her arc for whatever it may be worth (minus a few details). In addition, I don't really mind the "lack of character development" if I like the character itself. Maybe they don't change but I say "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." The only exception to this would be Gold who could've benefited from it.

My opinion about the Black/White saga of PokeSpecial is that it just isn't nearly as riveting as the previous arcs. I own volumes 1-26 (haven't read the Emerald / DPPT / HGSS ones yet) but have recently read a bunch of the BW chapters, and am shocked at how lackluster they are compared to volumes 1-26. I mean, after the story of Red/Blue/Green who have that epic-has-hell battle in the Silph tower, or Yellow who can heal Pokemon with her powers and goes up against a homocidal dragon Elite Four member, or Ruby and Sapphire whose family & friends die in the Kyogre & Groudon battle and are brought back thanks to Celebi, reading a story about a boy who simply wants to go the Pokemon League & a girl who wants to do Pokemon musicals but sort of gets into battling just isn't capturing me the same way. Team Plasma doesn't even seem that threatening in these series, and when they unleash Reshiram & Zekrom, they barely seem to wreak much havoc at all. I dunno, after all the beautifully witty scenes that Hidenori Kusaka has thought up in the previous arcs, these BW chapters just seem to come so far underneath the bar I'm very very surprised. it seems like he's just phoning this one in to me.

My opinion about the Black/White saga of PokeSpecial is that it just isn't nearly as riveting as the previous arcs. I own volumes 1-26 (haven't read the Emerald / DPPT / HGSS ones yet) but have recently read a bunch of the BW chapters, and am shocked at how lackluster they are compared to volumes 1-26. I mean, after the story of Red/Blue/Green who have that epic-has-hell battle in the Silph tower, or Yellow who can heal Pokemon with her powers and goes up against a homocidal dragon Elite Four member, or Ruby and Sapphire whose family & friends die in the Kyogre & Groudon battle and are brought back thanks to Celebi, reading a story about a boy who simply wants to go the Pokemon League & a girl who wants to do Pokemon musicals but sort of gets into battling just isn't capturing me the same way. Team Plasma doesn't even seem that threatening in these series, and when they unleash Reshiram & Zekrom, they barely seem to wreak much havoc at all. I dunno, after all the beautifully witty scenes that Hidenori Kusaka has thought up in the previous arcs, these BW chapters just seem to come so far underneath the bar I'm very very surprised. it seems like he's just phoning this one in to me.

The BW arc hasn't even reached it's climax, of course things are a bit slow. But still I have to disagree with you. Black and White got some terrible shock when a Pokemon they thought they trusted suddenly betrayed them. Five Gymleaders are missing and N's presence is enough to create havoc. The normal Plasma members aren't doing that much because they are using words against the people to get to their goals and do the acting behind the scenes, when not many people are involved. Alder was beaten by N and is now missing and team Plasma will appear at the Pokemon League soon and that's when the real battle will start.

My opinion about the Black/White saga of PokeSpecial is that it just isn't nearly as riveting as the previous arcs. I own volumes 1-26 (haven't read the Emerald / DPPT / HGSS ones yet) but have recently read a bunch of the BW chapters, and am shocked at how lackluster they are compared to volumes 1-26. I mean, after the story of Red/Blue/Green who have that epic-has-hell battle in the Silph tower, or Yellow who can heal Pokemon with her powers and goes up against a homocidal dragon Elite Four member, or Ruby and Sapphire whose family & friends die in the Kyogre & Groudon battle and are brought back thanks to Celebi, reading a story about a boy who simply wants to go the Pokemon League & a girl who wants to do Pokemon musicals but sort of gets into battling just isn't capturing me the same way. Team Plasma doesn't even seem that threatening in these series, and when they unleash Reshiram & Zekrom, they barely seem to wreak much havoc at all. I dunno, after all the beautifully witty scenes that Hidenori Kusaka has thought up in the previous arcs, these BW chapters just seem to come so far underneath the bar I'm very very surprised. it seems like he's just phoning this one in to me.

I must say that DP is also the same situation, but the plot is still exciting. Than BW is the same with.