sudo give me more cowbell:AdamFurious: How long before someone starts screaming for more gun control in this country. Because they are too stupid to realize this happened in South Africa.....anyone?

This happens Stateside all the time too. Can you explain to me why you think this isn't a relevant story to gun-control policies everywhere just because it happened somewhere different from where you currently are?

Well, I suppose we can outlaw guns...and axes and spades and knives and pangas and knobkierries and sticks and stones and fists and ...

...or we can just stay sane and stick with outlawing murder regardless of weapon used.

illannoyin:Aces and Eights: Here is what I was taught, and I think it makes sense: If you hear someone you suspect is a home-invader, call out to that person "Go away, I have a gun." If it's your girlfriend, family member, or some other innocent person, they can identify themselves and a tragedy like this could be avoided. If it's really a home invader, the warning might run them off. If not, well...you can decide what to do with that .357 in your hand. But at least they had fair warning.

Igor Jakovsky:What would be the US equivalent of this guy be in terms of fame in SA?

Michael Phelps maybe, or some Olympian like that. People liked Pistorious because of his story (having no legs and working really hard to compete in the Olympics etc) but he was always a bit of an arrogant prick who allegedly had had "issues" with previous girlfriends before the one he shot.

Having said that, as somebody who used to live in South Africa, if you think an intruder is in your home you shoot them first and ask questions later because that burglar WILL shoot you first given the chance. It's not like in 1st world countries where more often than not if you make a noise or turn a light on or something it will spook the burglar and he'll just run away, in South Africa a life means nothing to these criminals, they'll shoot you and your children as easily as they'd open a can of coke. It makes me laugh when Americans cry about their crime and need to protect themselves etc, those types of people would be paranoid wrecks if they had to live and work in South Africa.

Zalan:MisterRonbo: Plus if you're certain enough to put that first round in to the unknown person, you're going to keep shooting - why wouldn't you? What downside is there to pumping too many rounds in to a (perceived) threat?

His friends in your place who also have weapons and your gun is now empty?

I see your point, but first, I'd think his friend would leave at the sound of shots, and second, I'm not a very good shot even at the range. In the dark, adrenaline pumping, I probably need to fire all 9 to get two or three hits.

MisterRonbo:Zalan: MisterRonbo: Plus if you're certain enough to put that first round in to the unknown person, you're going to keep shooting - why wouldn't you? What downside is there to pumping too many rounds in to a (perceived) threat?

His friends in your place who also have weapons and your gun is now empty?

I see your point, but first, I'd think his friend would leave at the sound of shots, and second, I'm not a very good shot even at the range. In the dark, adrenaline pumping, I probably need to fire all 9 to get two or three hits.

maybe you should learn to shoot before you start shooting randomly in your home. though i guess it's not that bad if you live alone.

brapbrapbrap:Igor Jakovsky: What would be the US equivalent of this guy be in terms of fame in SA?

Michael Phelps maybe, or some Olympian like that. People liked Pistorious because of his story (having no legs and working really hard to compete in the Olympics etc) but he was always a bit of an arrogant prick who allegedly had had "issues" with previous girlfriends before the one he shot.

Having said that, as somebody who used to live in South Africa, if you think an intruder is in your home you shoot them first and ask questions later because that burglar WILL shoot you first given the chance. It's not like in 1st world countries where more often than not if you make a noise or turn a light on or something it will spook the burglar and he'll just run away, in South Africa a life means nothing to these criminals, they'll shoot you and your children as easily as they'd open a can of coke. It makes me laugh when Americans cry about their crime and need to protect themselves etc, those types of people would be paranoid wrecks if they had to live and work in South Africa.

or announce that your armed and tell them to get the fark out from behind cover and see what happens. you're not dealing with highly trained super criminals, just some violent poor people. and there's no reason to ruin a perfectly good rug.

A Fark Handle:brapbrapbrap: Igor Jakovsky: What would be the US equivalent of this guy be in terms of fame in SA?

Michael Phelps maybe, or some Olympian like that. People liked Pistorious because of his story (having no legs and working really hard to compete in the Olympics etc) but he was always a bit of an arrogant prick who allegedly had had "issues" with previous girlfriends before the one he shot.

Having said that, as somebody who used to live in South Africa, if you think an intruder is in your home you shoot them first and ask questions later because that burglar WILL shoot you first given the chance. It's not like in 1st world countries where more often than not if you make a noise or turn a light on or something it will spook the burglar and he'll just run away, in South Africa a life means nothing to these criminals, they'll shoot you and your children as easily as they'd open a can of coke. It makes me laugh when Americans cry about their crime and need to protect themselves etc, those types of people would be paranoid wrecks if they had to live and work in South Africa.

or announce that your armed and tell them to get the fark out from behind cover and see what happens. you're not dealing with highly trained super criminals, just some violent poor people. and there's no reason to ruin a perfectly good rug.

Or just shoot him and get the dudes who run security for these gated communities to get rid of the body. Job done. You wouldn't even have to involve the police.

brapbrapbrap:A Fark Handle: brapbrapbrap: Igor Jakovsky: What would be the US equivalent of this guy be in terms of fame in SA?

Michael Phelps maybe, or some Olympian like that. People liked Pistorious because of his story (having no legs and working really hard to compete in the Olympics etc) but he was always a bit of an arrogant prick who allegedly had had "issues" with previous girlfriends before the one he shot.

Having said that, as somebody who used to live in South Africa, if you think an intruder is in your home you shoot them first and ask questions later because that burglar WILL shoot you first given the chance. It's not like in 1st world countries where more often than not if you make a noise or turn a light on or something it will spook the burglar and he'll just run away, in South Africa a life means nothing to these criminals, they'll shoot you and your children as easily as they'd open a can of coke. It makes me laugh when Americans cry about their crime and need to protect themselves etc, those types of people would be paranoid wrecks if they had to live and work in South Africa.

or announce that your armed and tell them to get the fark out from behind cover and see what happens. you're not dealing with highly trained super criminals, just some violent poor people. and there's no reason to ruin a perfectly good rug.

Or just shoot him and get the dudes who run security for these gated communities to get rid of the body. Job done. You wouldn't even have to involve the police.

not sure if i trust the tards that couldn't keep the criminal out of the gated community with body disposal. clearly they have already failed once. and no amount of resolve is getting that stain out.

brapbrapbrap:Igor Jakovsky: What would be the US equivalent of this guy be in terms of fame in SA?

Michael Phelps maybe, or some Olympian like that. People liked Pistorious because of his story (having no legs and working really hard to compete in the Olympics etc) but he was always a bit of an arrogant prick who allegedly had had "issues" with previous girlfriends before the one he shot.

Having said that, as somebody who used to live in South Africa, if you think an intruder is in your home you shoot them first and ask questions later because that burglar WILL shoot you first given the chance. It's not like in 1st world countries where more often than not if you make a noise or turn a light on or something it will spook the burglar and he'll just run away, in South Africa a life means nothing to these criminals, they'll shoot you and your children as easily as they'd open a can of coke. It makes me laugh when Americans cry about their crime and need to protect themselves etc, those types of people would be paranoid wrecks if they had to live and work in South Africa.

Correct, 1st world citizens that enjoy a relatively safe and secure society would not enjoy living in some shiat hole in Africa with an embarrassingly high murder rate.

ha-ha-guy:This is why you have dogs and/or an alarm system to go with the gun.

While someone coming home late might initially startle the dog or trip the alarm, it won't last. Once the dog realizes who it is they'll stop with the barking or you'll hear the code entered in the alarm to clear it. If either of those two things fail to open, you have an intruder and should consider opening fire.

Even some dog like the tibetan spaniel my wife owned when I met her works, even small can do IFF for you. I prefer larger dogs since they're full service, not only do the malamutes identify intruders, they deal with them.

Until the intruder is a team of cops on a wrong address drug bust. Then your malamute just gets a couple new holes.

"I'm picturing a guy frantically propelling his wheelchair down the street with his left hand and enduring great difficulty steering and closing one eye while aiming a Mac-10 held at arms-length to the right with one hand and his tongue is hanging out of the bottom left corner of his mouth and he's wearing a beige trenchcoat, and when he pulls the trigger his unwary target suffers a head explosion but the recoil flips his wheelchair and the rest of his 31-round clip empties into the air and shatters people's windows while they are feeding newborn triplets and blows out bolts on fire escapes and hits electrical transformers and shoots out tires and after like ten seconds the entire neighborhood is ducked down covering their ears and every car has been in a fender bender and nobody has power and then after a few seconds of silence there resumes the eternal urban cacophony of people yelling and babies crying and car horns honking and sirens and gunshots"

NJR_ZA:sudo give me more cowbell: AdamFurious: How long before someone starts screaming for more gun control in this country. Because they are too stupid to realize this happened in South Africa.....anyone?

This happens Stateside all the time too. Can you explain to me why you think this isn't a relevant story to gun-control policies everywhere just because it happened somewhere different from where you currently are?

Well, I suppose we can outlaw guns...and axes and spades and knives and pangas and knobkierries and sticks and stones and fists and ...

...or we can just stay sane and stick with outlawing murder regardless of weapon used.

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So then you're cool with people owning weapons-grade plutonium and rocket launchers? Or do you think that maybe, just maybe, the risk-vs.-social utility tradeoff presents a bit of a reason to make it illegal to own those things?

Well, there's nothing wrong with that! However, you may want to read up on the Jodi Arias case before you judge a book by its cover. She is a complete farkin' "Fatal Attraction" psychopath. And she's changed her story 3 x.

However if you need something to masturbate over, her is a NSFW picture for you. However, while you are masturbating you might want to avoid a google image search of her victim Travis' nearly decapitated neck and bullet riddled body, unless you are in to that kind of thing.

danielscissorhands:Maus III: danielscissorhands: Maus III: danielscissorhands: "..allegedly shot and killed his girlfriend in the early morning hours after mistaking her for an intruder at his Silver Lakes home."

Well, there's nothing wrong with that! However, you may want to read up on the Jodi Arias case before you judge a book by its cover. She is a complete farkin' "Fatal Attraction" psychopath. And she's changed her story 3 x.

However if you need something to masturbate over, her is a NSFW picture for you. However, while you are masturbating you might want to avoid a google image search of her victim Travis' nearly decapitated neck and bullet riddled body, unless you are in to that kind of thing.

Jackpot777:danielscissorhands: Maus III: danielscissorhands: Maus III: danielscissorhands: "..allegedly shot and killed his girlfriend in the early morning hours after mistaking her for an intruder at his Silver Lakes home."

Well, there's nothing wrong with that! However, you may want to read up on the Jodi Arias case before you judge a book by its cover. She is a complete farkin' "Fatal Attraction" psychopath. And she's changed her story 3 x.

However if you need something to masturbate over, her is a NSFW picture for you. However, while you are masturbating you might want to avoid a google image search of her victim Travis' nearly decapitated neck and bullet riddled body, unless you are in to that kind of thing.