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The last year of bush's term was the most profitable year of my business. At that time I was in business 21 years. Actually that last year may have been more profitable than any two years. The last four years have been crushing.

Bush did nothing to me, I just remember him as losing 10 years worth of investments for all of us. He might have made some profitable but it turned out to be a farce. I remember the economy sinking prior to 911 and a couple of wars , fought off the books, that we are paying for now

It's not that I support a Marxist. I watch a shiw called The Fatal Attraction of Adolf Hitler. He made speeches that when translated into English are word for word exactly what Romney and the GOP use in their campaign speeches. Just watch the show. Watch The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, especially The Rise. Listen to Hitler, then listen to the GOP candidates. It's that simple. Of the 2 evils, I would never pick Fascism

I think the reason HVAC business took a dive was because of refrigerant choices and mandated SEER changes that had ansolutely nothing to do with Obama. That and 300.00 dollar capacitors and 60.00 dollar a pound refrigerant

What killed our economy is the lack of trust and faith in the US as an investment by the folks who have the money to invest. It's that simple and it's still that way...actually getting worse as those intelligent investors continue to wait on the side lines to see if we can pay the bills coming due...or will the US be up for auction where they can move in and buy for penneys on the dollar once obama is not in power or involved anymore.

"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the public's own money.
- Alexis﻿ de Toqueville, 1835

I think you do not truly understand fascism Ace... however lets start another thread if you want to discuss that.

I saw the markets going into a strange place... and got out of mainstream stocks a little before the turn of the century.
Started chasing mining stocks (commodities), then went to precious metals mines (gold, silver, platinum, palladium). Made a BUNCH of $$$ early and mid 2000's...
Then when the Dems got control of congress I saw the markets get goofy.

Now all of us traders know the govt manipulates the markets... to create what they want. My take was GW caved to the DEMS on something... cause there was not really any other explanation.

Have been trading options short term ever since, spend most of my time on the sidelines... only make a 'sure thing' trade anymore.

Honestly; until the govt reveals some long term stability in tax and business policy... I see business keeping their belt tight... and I do not blame them. If I were running a business.... I would not risk any $$$ knowing the govt was predatory towards my existence.