Masculinization of woman

The social norms are pretty black and white now and there aren't very many attractive girly men, like I've seen like 1 or so in my entire life. Minus traps, but idk bout that. And the many gender movement has bad stigma attached.

In Austin powers international man of mystery, austin powers tackled an older woman and exclaimed, "this is a man, baby!".

I got to thinking that if Austin powers, who was from the past 1960s or so, was used to women who looked more feminine, and mistaken a woman in the modern era 1990s for a male in disguise. Are the women more manly looking now?

Just to set off a little bit of debate. If one is aware of r/K selection theory you know that as r-selection takes root the "traditional" sex roles reverse. The women assume the roles "tradition" assigned to men and vice versa. Can't say I'm not seeing a lot of that, the looks match too most disturbingly. I mean, nearly not a day goes by that I do not spy with my wandering eye an individual I cannot positively identify as either a male or female.

My eyes are pretty damn well calibrated too in this regard. I know a trap when I see one yet even so... I'd need to get a closer look many a time and I'd rather not as I know damn good and well how badly that could end for me. So I just go "SEP" and file it under yet more evidence that I am about to witness the Fall of Rome V.2.0.33...

Just to set off a little bit of debate. If one is aware of r/K selection theory you know that as r-selection takes root the "traditional" sex roles reverse. The women assume the roles "tradition" assigned to men and vice versa. Can't say I'm not seeing a lot of that, the looks match too most disturbingly. I mean, nearly not a day goes by that I do not spy with my wandering eye an individual I cannot positively identify as either a male or female.

My eyes are pretty damn well calibrated too in this regard. I know a trap when I see one yet even so... I'd need to get a closer look many a time and I'd rather not as I know damn good and well how badly that could end for me. So I just go "SEP" and file it under yet more evidence that I am about to witness the Fall of Rome V.2.0.33...

I think it's the opposite way around. Powerful people are more androgynous since they don't have to breed as much, while the unwashed masses need clear sex signaling so they can pump out babies like the livestock they are. Look at royalty throughout history for crying out loud.

I think it's the opposite way around. Powerful people are more androgynous since they don't have to breed as much, while the unwashed masses need clear sex signaling so they can pump out babies like the livestock they are. Look at royalty throughout history for crying out loud.

That makes sense, but only up to a certain point. The powerful may not need to breed as much, but as the late and not so great Stalin put it: "Quantity has a quality all its own"

Basically, if I have enough "dudes" to throw at you, your "superior" whatever means jack shit. The cycle will continue, thankfully I'm on the right end of it. The elite are androgynous, effeminate, and fully convinced that they are the future. Boy how wrong they are. I will relish my moment alone with the last surviving members of some Illuminati dynasty. I will rub all of it in their faces. It shall be quite glorious

A lot of this stuff is location base. In small hick towns, gender roles are more clear cut and dry but you move to the bigger cities you see more diversity. Or like, an alpha male that talks about his feelings and viewpoints and ideas and isn't just some silent no-name that drives a truck. They developed into more of a manly male, yet ironically more female too. (truthfully the 'man bun' and hipster metreosexual thing is the downside of this you might say)

No matter the location though, people's versatility is there if you look for it. Feminine women who only get fucked by Chads often are aggressive/bossy in their own way, but comes off as kind of shrill-y due to their feminine nature. Very masc guys are often chill and laid back. Very feminine women often have a social assertiveness they find hard to hide. "Masculine bottoms" would never be a thing without this complexity. Much of gay male erotica is the balancing act of keeping a man's masculinity yet at the same time making his body/aura passive enough to be penetrated upon.

This sort of stuff is like a shadow psyche in everybody's brains, because in the beginning a very pure str8 man fucked a very pure str8 woman and it was as brutal and hetero-normative as possible-but then naturally as we went down the line things got more muddled up. As evolved as society gets, with the legalization of gay marriage- which the bigger issue is not so much homosexuality as it is widening of what we think of gender.

So what happens is even if you are the pure primal 110% heterosexual str8 dude or whatever, by you breeding more with str8 females who all want to fuck you cuz ur so str8 and manly- you will indirectly give birth to more gay sons, and the balance becomes restored. In this way we are all connected, despite gender variances. A black top thug drug dealer is more manly than me, but I'm manlier than richard simmons, and richard simmons is manlier than a petunia etc.

Just to set off a little bit of debate. If one is aware of r/K selection theory you know that as r-selection takes root the "traditional" sex roles reverse. The women assume the roles "tradition" assigned to men and vice versa. Can't say I'm not seeing a lot of that, the looks match too most disturbingly. I mean, nearly not a day goes by that I do not spy with my wandering eye an individual I cannot positively identify as either a male or female.

My eyes are pretty damn well calibrated too in this regard. I know a trap when I see one yet even so... I'd need to get a closer look many a time and I'd rather not as I know damn good and well how badly that could end for me. So I just go "SEP" and file it under yet more evidence that I am about to witness the Fall of Rome V.2.0.33...

Fall of Rome 2.0 indeed. Masculinization of women, multiculturalism, the LGBT movement, mass foreign immigration, suppression of nationalism, degenerate consumerism, secularism, the decline of nuclear families all share a common thread. They are weapons employed by certain (((parties))) to dismantle and destroy European society by means of attrition so that they can eventually rule uncontested at the top. It fills me with contempt to see people eating this shit up.

That works right up until it does not. STD's are a thing, best to "check" the relevant parts at least before you give into your primal urges. I mean, legal prostitutes do that, they ought to know a thing or two about that sort of thing. Just saying...

Originally Posted by Muddy

Fall of Rome 2.0 indeed. Masculinization of women, multiculturalism, the LGBT movement, mass foreign immigration, suppression of nationalism, degenerate consumerism, secularism, the decline of nuclear families all share a common thread. They are weapons employed by certain (((parties))) to dismantle and destroy European society by means of attrition so that they can eventually rule uncontested at the top. It fills me with contempt to see people eating this shit up.

Take heart in the great irony of it all. Every other group that is currently arrayed against the )))great evil((( hate each other almost as much as they do said great evil. If,IF, they ever succeed and genocide the "great menace", they are next on the list of evil oppressors they themselves thought they had somehow removed themselves from despite looking and sounding almost exactly like them.

It is, as I have recently realized, a death cult. Taken to its logical conclusion, r-selected thinking results in self extinction. The Mouse Utopia experiment was but a demonstration. Give the r-selected all they could ever want, and they kill themselves... because reasons. If they do not self-terminate, they will, eventually, just consume all resources available at the time in a given area. That... will have the same effect. Eat all your seed corn and boom, that's it, you're fucked dude. Unlike plants you can't metabolize dirt and sunshine into the nutrients and energy you need to live so yeah, dead.

It's all one big projection. The prey quite literally need the predator to keep them in check. The predator would just adapt to a world without its prey. I'd hope anyway. I don't want life to end as a concept after all .

Are you a dog lol. They aren’t visible a lot of the time. Unless you mean getting tested. I imagined you just bending over and sniffing the woman’s junk.

It is better than nothing, and the smell is actually a good indicator. Cleanliness is a K-selected trait, and the K-selected are very, very careful in regards to who they mate with. If the snatch smells like a rotted catch of fish it is probably best to not stick your winky into that. If, on the other hand, it smells faintly of roses you're probably gonna be OK.

If you're a girl, the "dick check" works in similar ways. Only it's a bit easier as the winky stands before you in all its glory. It isn't really hiding anything if ya catch my drift. It is well and fully "external" in every way. The snatch has a surface, you'll need tools and/or fingers to dive into the "depths" to get the whole picture there. Smell still matters though. Again, the ones who keep clean tend to be wary in regards to whom they allow themselves to indulge in carnality with. That or they're just a down right considerate person. Either way, the cleaner the better .

It is better than nothing, and the smell is actually a good indicator. Cleanliness is a K-selected trait, and the K-selected are very, very careful in regards to who they mate with. If the snatch smells like a rotted catch of fish it is probably best to not stick your winky into that. If, on the other hand, it smells faintly of roses you're probably gonna be OK.

If you're a girl, the "dick check" works in similar ways. Only it's a bit easier as the winky stands before you in all its glory. It isn't really hiding anything if ya catch my drift. It is well and fully "external" in every way. The snatch has a surface, you'll need tools and/or fingers to dive into the "depths" to get the whole picture there. Smell still matters though. Again, the ones who keep clean tend to be wary in regards to whom they allow themselves to indulge in carnality with. That or they're just a down right considerate person. Either way, the cleaner the better .

women over here are still very feminine, I'd say it's the opposite. MEN are becoming more feminine, and instead of getting the cool "female" traits like sensitivity and open with emotions today's dudes inherited the more unlikable "female" traits like passivity and apologizing for things that aren't their fault.

women over here are still very feminine, I'd say it's the opposite. MEN are becoming more feminine, and instead of getting the cool "female" traits like sensitivity and open with emotions today's dudes inherited the more unlikable "female" traits like passivity and apologizing for things that aren't their fault.

maybe, I would have said it's because the idea of "toxic masculinity" has been shoved down the throats of young men as being inappropriate, violent, and generally unwanted or unhealthy. this belief breeds men who feel sorry for being men and they would begin to adopt feminine traits

maybe, I would have said it's because the idea of "toxic masculinity" has been shoved down the throats of young men as being inappropriate, violent, and generally unwanted or unhealthy. this belief breeds men who feel sorry for being men and they would begin to adopt feminine traits

Indeed.

I think two types of guys emerge as a result of the near constant lecturing about "toxic" masculinity that has become pervasive. The first type fits your description: doormats and apologists who seem to act out of shame; men who feel a need to apologize "on behalf of all men" (as a result of being led to believe the idea that all men are collectively responsible for the worst 'patriarchal' behaviors and attitudes). The second type might best be described as hyper masculine caricatures, amping up behaviors and attitudes traditionally associated with maleness, but to a cartoonish level, in an act of defiance.

women over here are still very feminine, I'd say it's the opposite. MEN are becoming more feminine, and instead of getting the cool "female" traits like sensitivity and open with emotions today's dudes inherited the more unlikable "female" traits like passivity and apologizing for things that aren't their fault.

Testosterone makes the man decisive and at fifteen times greater levels of testosterone in men than in women it brings out this difference between the genders.
Making men more pliable is one method of making society more equal. Personally I don't believe in equality though, not between the genders and not between individuals. I do believe in equal opportunity but that's about it. Limiting and trying to control someone is just envying them. And only the inferior strife for equality.

"The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools." ―Thucydides

it's not just social normas
the degree a woman fits to the normas of physical attractiveness relates to her abbility to born children. in case of wrong hormonal levels she not only will look as lesser feminine, but should be harder to born

for example, when a woman gets much of physical load to have more muscles - her hormones change to the degree of geting troubles with her periods and hence with the abbility to born

I'm not sure Differential r/K theory has ever been fully validated, so it may lead to a false understanding or over-simplification of human reproductive strategies and behaviors.

Your suggested test is amusing though. I imagined you doing this with latex gloves and doctors' instruments. Sounds like a setup for a porno scene

In my mind it is quite validated. It fully explains the "cycle of civilizations" for one thing. Prosperity is a curse, ruin is a blessing. Sadly, the cycle continues and we've no idea as to why. Until r/K selection theory that is. Now we know. Hopefully we "get it" this time around and arrest the cycle at peak prosperity after the next/upcoming ruin phase. Find God, exercise thine pimp hand and make it strong Lord, so that ye may ensure thine descendants never tolerate r-selected bullshit like Atheism, Feminism, Communism, and Egalitarianism. For hopefully they'll learn from our monumental mistakes and thus not make them ever again.

Originally Posted by ruined

women over here are still very feminine, I'd say it's the opposite. MEN are becoming more feminine, and instead of getting the cool "female" traits like sensitivity and open with emotions today's dudes inherited the more unlikable "female" traits like passivity and apologizing for things that aren't their fault.

Women are becoming the aggressive Alpha males they need, and men are becoming the nurturing/vulnerable women they want. Again, fully predictable, a key part of r-selection is the inversion of "traditional" gender roles. Trust me, the bitchification of your men will very, very soon, be met with the butchification/masculinization of your women. Mark my words, I'll bet money on it. Give it a year or two, you'll see it happen .

In my mind it is quite validated. It fully explains the "cycle of civilizations" for one thing. Prosperity is a curse, ruin is a blessing. Sadly, the cycle continues and we've no idea as to why. Until r/K selection theory that is. Now we know. Hopefully we "get it" this time around and arrest the cycle at peak prosperity after the next/upcoming ruin phase. Find God, exercise thine pimp hand and make it strong Lord, so that ye may ensure thine descendants never tolerate r-selected bullshit like Atheism, Feminism, Communism, and Egalitarianism. For hopefully they'll learn from our monumental mistakes and thus not make them ever again.

Women are becoming the aggressive Alpha males they need, and men are becoming the nurturing/vulnerable women they want. Again, fully predictable, a key part of r-selection is the inversion of "traditional" gender roles. Trust me, the bitchification of your men will very, very soon, be met with the butchification/masculinization of your women. Mark my words, I'll bet money on it. Give it a year or two, you'll see it happen .

In my mind it is quite validated. It fully explains the "cycle of civilizations" for one thing. Prosperity is a curse, ruin is a blessing. Sadly, the cycle continues and we've no idea as to why. Until r/K selection theory that is. Now we know. Hopefully we "get it" this time around and arrest the cycle at peak prosperity after the next/upcoming ruin phase. Find God, exercise thine pimp hand and make it strong Lord, so that ye may ensure thine descendants never tolerate r-selected bullshit like Atheism, Feminism, Communism, and Egalitarianism. For hopefully they'll learn from our monumental mistakes and thus not make them ever again.

In your mind.

Women are becoming the aggressive Alpha males they need, and men are becoming the nurturing/vulnerable women they want. Again, fully predictable, a key part of r-selection is the inversion of "traditional" gender roles. Trust me, the bitchification of your men will very, very soon, be met with the butchification/masculinization of your women. Mark my words, I'll bet money on it. Give it a year or two, you'll see it happen .

A good chunk of masculinity is genetic, which just comes down to the genetic lottery and environmental as well in terms of man made chemicals nullifying men and feminizing a chunk of them such as bisephnol A. Bisephnol A wasn't even banned from baby bottles until 2012, another toxic casualty that everyday people have to suffer due to corporate greed, callousness or perhaps just sheer ignorance and incompetence:

However, another good chunk of masculinity comes down to upbringing and conditioning and this can slowly be changed and molded with sheer will and determination. A lot of parents feminize men either from their fathers that weren't around to teach their sons to be men and/or too harsh on them and same for mothers that teach their sons to be women and/or are too harsh on them. The good news is at least the last factor of upbringing and conditioning can slowly be reversed if the incentive and motivation is there.

"Nothing happens until the pain of staying the same outweighs the pain of change."

Trust me, the bitchification of your men will very, very soon, be met with the butchification/masculinization of your women. Mark my words, I'll bet money on it. Give it a year or two, you'll see it happen .

Honestly I don’t think it’s a big deal. People are what they are and like what they like. I don’t like the idea of manmade chemicals changing people, but it’s too late now for many cases and people need to just deal with it and treat it as if it’s natural. Being however you are is no excuse to not do what you enjoy and find people who you love and who love you (well apparently unless you’re a pedophile or something).

if people become undesirable then we stop fucking and we all die cus no fucking = no babies

if people are still desirable, then shut up and do what you must to get some of that. you can only laugh at the hormonally retarded/different once you yourself prove you aren't hormonally confused/different and actually attract people who you think you deserve.

Either that or you are probably in a city near a nuclear accident and you should probably just not mate at all and leave immediately- the people are deficient in more than just their gender probably.

Honestly I don’t think it’s a big deal. People are what they are and like what they like. I don’t like the idea of manmade chemicals changing people, but it’s too late now for many cases and people need to just deal with it and treat it as if it’s natural. Being however you are is no excuse to not do what you enjoy and find people who you love and who love you (well apparently unless you’re a pedophile or something).

The big question you're missing there is who is doing it, why they may be doing that, and if they ever considered the possibility of secondary and tertiary effects. A man who discovers this dense, heavy metal that can easily be formed into nice sturdy pipes that can thus enable a vast plumbing system to be constructed to easily deliver water to all at trivial expense can't exactly be blamed for the side effects of said pipes becoming a widely adopted staple of his civilization.

If he knew what "Lead" was and did to the human body/mind upon ingestion, yet pushed forth the lead plumbing system plan anyway well, that SOB gets a special place in hell. If he was prudent and tried it in a small test case and saw that oh yes, bad things are happening to these people very coincidentally after I built them that plumbing system and chose to just not inform society at large about his discovery... He gets a pass. I mean, mass indoor plumbing and easy access to water for all is a great thing. Yet, as with all things, costs vs. benefits. He was kinda a huge, huge dick in playing antiquity's version of Mengele but by the standards of those days the man was downright fucking Christian!

if people become undesirable then we stop fucking and we all die cus no fucking = no babies

Kinda what happened in the Mouse Utopia experiment... Again, it's very topical in this thread. Go look it up folks, then tell me we ain't living the nighmare right now. Only while there are other variables in play to be sure, ya can't deny my assertion that we are at peak Mouse Utopia/r-selection. What happens next? Don't know, but it can't be good .

The big question you're missing there is who is doing it, why they may be doing that, and if they ever considered the possibility of secondary and tertiary effects. A man who discovers this dense, heavy metal that can easily be formed into nice sturdy pipes that can thus enable a vast plumbing system to be constructed to easily deliver water to all at trivial expense can't exactly be blamed for the side effects of said pipes becoming a widely adopted staple of his civilization.

If he knew what "Lead" was and did to the human body/mind upon ingestion, yet pushed forth the lead plumbing system plan anyway well, that SOB gets a special place in hell. If he was prudent and tried it in a small test case and saw that oh yes, bad things are happening to these people very coincidentally after I built them that plumbing system and chose to just not inform society at large about his discovery... He gets a pass. I mean, mass indoor plumbing and easy access to water for all is a great thing. Yet, as with all things, costs vs. benefits. He was kinda a huge, huge dick in playing antiquity's version of Mengele but by the standards of those days the man was downright fucking Christian!

I wish I knew what you were talking about but I like how you’re saying it