originally posted by: AngryCymraeg
Well this poll just scared the crap out of me. According to
MotherJones 43% of those polled who identified themselves as members of the Tea Party said that they do not trust scientists. So - let's put this out
there for your thoughts.

So 57% trust scientists. Is that another way of saying it?
All right tea party!! Thats probably a higher % than democraps .
Vote: Cruz / Rubio 16

I am not saying that we aren't contributing to warming by any means but we should be cutting down pollution for our health not as a faux reason to
start a carbon tax. If we want to instate the carbon tax because pollution is murdering tons of people I can see that as an argument but not before.

Probably forty three percent of scientists don't even trust other scientists. They work with the parameters of research all the time, they don't take
others research as god without researching the motive of the testing or evaluating the methods of the research. Science is plagued with deceit.

Maybe there are a high percentage of tea party members that are scientists

I don't know why some people jump all over global warming as the only issue. All fields of science can have misconceptions tied to the
interpretations of the evidence. Seems like some people are so against global warming that it is blinding them. Belief blinds people to reality.

Evidence does show that we are effecting the environment negatively, that cannot be denied. CO2 is just one little part of it. Unbalanced chemistry
is the major problem.

I'll agree that Mother Jones is a left wing source but it's not exactly true that Tea Partiers only disbelieve scientists when it comes to
global warming is it?

The headline could also be "NH Tea Partiers Don't Believe in Evolution and Don't Trust Environmental Scientists" since 67% of the
self-identified TPers agreed with the statement that "God created human beings pretty much in their present form within the last 10,000 years or
so." That questions is FAR more indicative of an overall distrust for scientists than one about climate change.

The poll isn't the greatest but I don't believe the results are particularly surprising.

Tea Party supporters are wealthier and more well-educated than the general public, and are no more or less afraid of falling into a lower
socioeconomic class, according to the latest New York Times/CBS News poll.

Their responses are like the general public’s in many ways. Most describe the amount they paid in taxes this year as “fair.” Most send their
children to public schools. A plurality do not think Sarah Palin is qualified to be president, and, despite their push for smaller government, they
think that Social Security and Medicare are worth the cost to taxpayers. They actually are just as likely as Americans as a whole to have returned
their census forms, though some conservative leaders have urged a boycott.

There ya' go ... Do You Trust Scientists About the Environment?
Obviously a reference to climate change/global warming.
And Mother Jones spins it to be ... Tea Partiers Don't Trust Scientists.
Journalism at it's worst. Partisan. Misleading. Irresponsible. Typical.

You're not actually refuting the results of the poll, you're refuting the interpretation by Mother Jones. You're also choosing to ignore that 67%
of TPers believe that the Earth is 10,000 years old and don't believe in evolution. That implies that they don't trust cosmologists, biologists,
geneticists, geologists, archaeologists, etc.

Can you honestly say that your misleading, partisan interpretation of the poll results is more useful than the Mother Jones reporting of the poll
results? In my opinion, you are misrepresenting the poll results to a much further degree.

If the tea party hadn't accepted Palin into their organization, I would have had more respect for their organization. Palin acts like an idiot a lot
with a fakeness about her that is so obviously seen. She may be a half decent person in personal relationships, but she is not someone I would like
to see running our country.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
You're not actually refuting the results of the poll, you're refuting the interpretation by Mother Jones.

Yep. BTW - There is NOTHING wrong with people not trusting global warming scientists. Heck, they can't even agree amongst themselves. Oh ..
before someone quotes the 97% of Scientists Agree thing .. that's a hoax. So don't.

You're also choosing to ignore that 67% of TPers believe that the Earth is 10,000 years old and don't believe in evolution.

That's separate and not part of Mother Jones partisan headline.
I'm just talking about the headline.

The reason for that number is that the Tea Party was hijacked by the Far Right ... Christian fundamentalists. Just as the Occupy Wall Street movement
was hijacked by far left Soros money. It's a shame .. really ... both groups could have done some good.

Unless you can prove statistically that there's a large group of environmental scientists (or even scientists - period) that don't believe climate
change is man made - and they're somehow not factored into this poll - then what they're claiming in this poll is accurate

Not just two or three scientists - or even two or three hundred - it would have to be a very large group of secretive, shy, hitherto unknown and
unheard from scientists that for some reason are not being asked their opinion on all this

Most scientists (as in - MOST) agree - and so to disagree with most of them is to disagree with scientists - in general

Their title is correct - at least according to their figures. Which I admit - I can't prove or disprove. It's not journalism at it's worst - unless
you can prove they screwed with the poll

originally posted by: thesaneone
If you going to believe in a poll might as well believe them all.

Yeah ... polls can be made to come out anyway you want. It's interesting that the left wing NY Times poll says that Tea Partiers are better educated
than the general population. If that's accurate ... it probably made more than a few head pops at the NY Times. Funny ...

originally posted by: Spiramirabilis
Their title is correct - at least according to their figures.

What I said was that the title was partisan and misleading ... because it was. The left wing Mother Jones was trying to make it sound like Tea
Partiers don't believe scientists in general ... when in fact it was actually focused in on Tea Partiers don't believe environmental scientists ...
and in particular the information on global warming being man made. So I stick with the title being misleading. Global warming information being
accurate or not has nothing to do with the title.

Well in the NYT reporting of that poll, from four years ago, there is no
explanation of the claim that they are "more educated." What does that mean and how does that directly relate to a question about science? There are
some interesting tidbits though:

They do not want a third party and say they usually or almost always vote Republican. The percentage holding a favorable opinion of former
President George W. Bush, at 57 percent, almost exactly matches the percentage in the general public that holds an unfavorable view of him.

and some priceless quotes:

“I just feel he’s getting away from what America is,” said Kathy Mayhugh, 67, a retired medical transcriber in Jacksonville. “He’s a
socialist. And to tell you the truth, I think he’s a Muslim and trying to head us in that direction, I don’t care what he says. He’s been in
office over a year and can’t find a church to go to. That doesn’t say much for him.”

and it ends with this quote which is hilarious:

“That’s a conundrum, isn’t it?” asked Jodine White, 62, of Rocklin, Calif. “I don’t know what to say. Maybe I don’t want smaller
government. I guess I want smaller government and my Social Security.” She added, “I didn’t look at it from the perspective of losing things I
need. I think I’ve changed my mind.”

I just don't see what you're trying to prove? That TPers report being more educated means they are better educated? Even if we can safely assume
that they don't disproportionately lie about their education, what type of education is being referred to? When was this education obtained?

If you're trying to say that TPers are more knowledgeable about matters of science, what does there disbelief in evolution and a belief in a 10,000
year-old Earth say about their relationship with scientific consensus? Seems like the more I think about this, the more I'm agreeing with the Mother
Jones headline.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
I just don't see what you're trying to prove?

Not a darn thing. A poster said something about wondering if Tea Partiers were scientists ... and the only thing I could find on what education Tea
Partiers had was the NY Times article. That's it. You are reading more into the post then there is. Take it or leave it. I don't care. Like I
said .. I"m not a 'tea partier'.

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