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@Riot A serious discussion about gender. Please read

You do realise beautiful and sexy can be entirely different things, right?

None of these champions are sexualised. It's the difference between a professional bodybuilder and an Abercrombie and Fitch model. Sure, some women are going to go for bodybuilders, but the A&F model is specifically targeted to appeal for a straight female and gay male audience. This is advertising 101 - $ex sells. Is a scantily clad model in a shop window going to make a dude need to run off and masturbate? Of course not. But it's been proven that sexual images sell products, and that's what's at work here.

Shirtless does not necessarily equal sexualised for men. You say it yourself - they're "real men" emphasising masculinity over $ex appeal, to make them seem like badasses (rather than $ex objects). All of which is rather besides the point, since the argument is not "male champions aren't sexualised enough", rather "female champions are excessively sexualised to the point of negatively impacting diversity".

i am gonna be bad again i am gonna say it that why that post even have so many views for real why in the name of the god riot to give f@ck for some insecure girls who cant stand the "sexy" paint art.

if they are getting jealous from art painting imagine what brain they have

So a boy need to do a post to start scream OMG OMG OMG Olaf so many ABS xin zhao is DA MAN jarvan IS THE REAL thing i cant play league any more i feel offended" ???.. wtf is that $hits

i dont know where the world is going on we need to do ugly paint and fat champs in order some ugly and fat kids to feel better? this is getting stupid!

Gragas is not human, but if you want to go there yes he is. He's a fantasy archetype (drunken brawler) taken to an extreme the same way a fantasy archetype (sexy pirate hooker) is taken to the extreme with MF.

Ezreal is very literally an Anime fantasy. He is the male equivalent of Ahri.

Not really, the Gorgons were very, very old Greek legends and there have been very, very many retellings of their stories. The other guy's example is one of many, it just happens to be the only one that fits his point. Look at carvings of the Gorgons from the time - beautiful my arse.

medusa was a titan of the ancient greece mythology gorgons are some mythical monsters who seduce mans with the songs

Pleazz get your facts rights Pleaz you make the greece mythology bleed right now

Gragas is not human, but if you want to go there yes he is. He's a fantasy archetype (drunken brawler) taken to an extreme the same way a fantasy archetype (sexy pirate hooker) is taken to the extreme with MF.

Ezreal is very literally an Anime fantasy. He is the male equivalent of Ahri.

You're confusing "idealisation" with "exaggeration". Idealisation is an entirely different thing.

Find me a male that is unsexy as anything other than a direct result of his kit. You people keep pushing Gragas as if he's a "get out of sexism free card", but he is fat as a result of his kit and is not even actually human.

Every human male champ is designed to appeal sexually to some demographic. If your problem is that the sexy female demographic is too narrow, you need to try to change human biology. If your argument is that women shouldn't be attractive because you personally are not attracted to some of the men, then you are a sexist.

Find me a male that is unsexy as anything other than a direct result of his kit. You people keep pushing Gragas as if he's a "get out of sexism free card", but he is fat as a result of his kit and is not even actually human.

Every human male champ is designed to appeal sexually to some demographic. If your problem is that the sexy female demographic is too narrow, you need to try to change human biology. If your argument is that women shouldn't be attractive because you personally are not attracted to some of the men, then you are a sexist.

This pretty much sums up my opinion on the issue. I've summarised it in great detail before, but it always gets downvoted by ignorant people.

Find me a male that is unsexy as anything other than a direct result of his kit. You people keep pushing Gragas as if he's a "get out of sexism free card", but he is fat as a result of his kit and is not even actually human.

Every human male champ is designed to appeal sexually to some demographic. If your problem is that the sexy female demographic is too narrow, you need to try to change human biology. If your argument is that women shouldn't be attractive because you personally are not attracted to some of the men, then you are a sexist.

Your argument is seriously that Riot designed Gragas with the intention of selling him to women with a fetish for morbidly obese men?