All Republicans need to do now is get the “defund” CR through the Senate somehow and onto O’s desk for the veto.

“The Administration strongly opposes House passage of H.J. Res. 59, making continuing appropriations for fiscal year 2014 and for other purposes, because it advances a narrow ideological agenda that threatens our economy and the interests of the middle class,” the Office of Management and Budget said in the statement.

“If the President were presented with H.J. Res. 59, he would veto the bill.”

That last sentence was underlined and was the stronger version of a veto threat rather than the typical one that his advisers “would recommend” a veto.

Mike Lee wants conservatives to rally around the idea of forcing Reid to hold an up-or-down vote on the House “defund” bill, which means he thinks he can at least get close to 51 with the help of red-state Democrats. Can he? Pryor and Manchin are conceivably “no” votes on O-Care; Landrieu and Begich would have to think hard too. Even with Obama as weak as he is now, though, I can’t believe Senate Dems wouldn’t hold together to defeat the measure. It’d mean the end of his presidency effectively if they didn’t. Lee’s goal here, I assume, is simply to make this as politically excruciating as he can for the White House in order to repay Boehner and the House GOP for giving the “defund” movement a shot. Won’t matter in the end — Reid won’t hold an up-or-down vote — but it’s good politics.

Here’s Boehner’s office having some fun with President Bumblefark, who reserves his toughest negotiating stance for his real enemy.

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Why is President Obama threatening to shut down govt to shove Obamacare down Americans’ throats?

Even if the House GOP didn’t want do go the “defund” route, why didn’t they push this message? It would give them more leverage. But, no, instead, they say that they don’t want to go along with conservatives’ “shutdown” strategy. Friggin’ idiots.

8.“Keep the pressure on. Never let up.”
9.“The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.”
10.”The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.”
11.“If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.”

All Republicans need to do now is get the “defund” CR through the Senate somehow and onto O’s desk for the veto.

No. All they need to do is send it to the Senate. If Hairy Reed wants to do nothing and shut the feral government down, then good for him. If the Senate passes it and Barky decides to veto the bill to shut down the feral government … then good for him. If the Senate tries to amend out the defunding, and is actually successful at that and passes what’s left … then it goes to conference, during which time the poor, widdle feral government will be “shut down” … the horror!

In any event, all the House has to do is pass their own funding bill. After that, it’s all in the hands of Hairy Reed and the Dog-Eating Imbecile. If they choose to close Washington … good for them. I feel safer with most of Washington not “working”.

“If the President were presented with H.J. Res. 59, he would veto the bill.”

Do these people even understand the basics of government?

The President would not be presented with a House bill. It would have gotten through both the House and Senate and if it gets that far, then, a veto would mean that he personally shuts down government. When has this lazy stupid coward every done stuff without political cover?

The only reason why Congress ended up with a say about Syria is because Obama thought that the Brits support would give him top cover. When they didn’t he slithered back off that limb and started talking about Congressional authorization.

Note Obama has been ramping up his rhetoric as the house GOP was trying to keep the lid on the shutdown angle…look who owns it now. Chin up!

With all the screaming about how the repubs are cracking and the demographics of the GOP will destroy the party you would think the dems would be much happier wouldn’t you. Perhaps things aren’t all peaches and late term abortions on their side after all.

Here’s the thing that the House GOP doesn’t seem to understand: plan beats no plan. Even if plan has little chance of success, it’s a plan. The House GOP has been in there for 2 and a half years, elected with the express purpose of rolling back Obamacare, and they’ve done nothing (other than engage in a little bit of theatre, passing meaningless repeal bills).

In any event, all the House has to do is pass their own funding bill. After that, it’s all in the hands of Hairy Reed and the Dog-Eating Imbecile. If they choose to close Washington … good for them. I feel safer with most of Washington not “working”.

ThePrimordialOrderedPair on September 19, 2013 at 1:33 PM

Yep, spending bills have to originate in the House but when Reid refuses to entertain any legislation that defunds Obamacare, it is the Senate Dems that are shutting down government.

And let’s remember one important thing. Obamacare is not like passage of the Voting Rights Act. It’s bad public policy. It is not a morally right, perfect or even popular idea. Do the Dems really want to go to the mattresses defending Obamacare in its current form?

And here is where Republicans can start showing us they have the courage to see this through…by making sure that everyone, every one they come in contact with that Reid and friends are accountable for this mess in a relentless fashion, till he does have the vote and all cards are on the table.

All these SOBs playing with our lives should be made to suffer more than just squirming, but if that is the only tool at our disposal ATM, so be it.

They do have a plan, portability across state lines, health savings accounts, tax breaks for premium costs…pretty much the same plan John McCain presented in his run in 2008. With Obama’s win all of those options were squelched.

I do not want a government run plan even if its dreamed up by the GOP.

White House: Obama will veto any House bill that attempts to defund ObamaCare

Stupid f@3ks. They’ll never see a House bill that attempts to defund Obamacare. The only bill Obama will see is a Congressional bill because the only legislation sent to the White House for his signature is legislation approved by the House and the Senate.

Make the Senate Dems vote against it. It’s a political liability for them. ObamaCare is not going to become more popular before the election, if anything it’ll get less popular. And the Senate Dems voting against this will hurt them in the election.

They won more seats after. It’s a meme that it hurt or will hurt the Rs.

It’s furthered by the media and the stupid Rs let them.

Schadenfreude on September 19, 2013 at 1:34 PM

Absolutely false. The GOP damned near lost its majority in 1996 after the 95-96 shutdown fiasco. They went into the cycle with about 240 seats and survived with 223, just barely over a majority of 218.

The truly regrettable part is that Clinton was about to cave when Dole and Newt waved the white flag. And the GOP has been saddled with the burden of being the “party of shutdown” ever since.

Mike Lee wants conservatives to rally around the idea of forcing Reid to hold an up-or-down vote on the House “defund” bill, which means he thinks he can at least get close to 51 with the help of red-state Democrats. Can he? Pryor and Manchin are conceivably “no” votes on O-Care; Landrieu and Begich would have to think hard too. Even with Obama as weak as he is now, though, I can’t believe Senate Dems wouldn’t hold together to defeat the measure. It’d mean the end of his presidency effectively if they didn’t.

There is no such thing as a “House bill.” There is a version of the CR that the House will pass and send to the Senate. There will be Senate bill that Reid will pass and send to the House. The only bill to be send anywhere will be the bill that passed by both the House and Senate or no bill will go forward. Count on no bill going immediately forward before 1 October.

I think a better strategy for the House Republicans is to send forth a CR that requires full implementation of O-care or no O-care for anybody.

The truly regrettable part is that Clinton was about to cave when Dole and Newt waved the white flag. And the GOP has been saddled with the burden of being the “party of shutdown” ever since.

matthew8787 on September 19, 2013 at 1:52 PM

Meh, if they’d have been punished they’d have been gone. It was all hyped by the media and the idiots on the right side don’t know how to communicate. A loos would have meant that the Ds take over…whatever…keep kidding yourselves and let the media ‘win’ it for the left. It’s too much schadenfreude…why give up now?

I’ll tell you what the Resolution will do. It will allow businesses to stop demoting workers to part-time status. It will stop even more hundreds of thousands of workers from losing business provided health insurance. It will stop the coming tsunami of business layoffs.

Defund Obamacare and tens of millions of Americans will be able to go back to work. Tens of millions of Americans will get their business provided health insurance back. Tens of millions of Americans will get back their old full time jobs.

This impeachment talk is so juvenile. It takes 67 votes to convict and no Democrat will vote to convict even if Obama was caught with both a dead girl and live boy in his bed. When the Republicans impeached Clinton it turned him into a martyr and it will do the same to Obama.

This impeachment talk is so juvenile. It takes 67 votes to convict and no Democrat will vote to convict even if Obama was caught with both a dead girl and live boy in his bed. When the Republicans impeached Clinton it turned him into a martyr and it will do the same to Obama.

jerryofva on September 19, 2013 at 2:02 PM

First, this is a different world than the one we lived in back in the late 90’s. And second, who gives a sh!t if it would get through the Dim controlled (for now) Senate?

Pass the articles the House and let the Dims in the Senate have to vote to acquit just prior to next year’s election.

Mike Lee wants conservatives to rally around the idea of forcing Reid to hold an up-or-down vote on the House “defund” bill, which means he thinks he can at least get close to 51 with the help of red-state Democrats. Can he? Pryor and Manchin are conceivably “no” votes on O-Care; Landrieu and Begich would have to think hard too. Even with Obama as weak as he is now, though, I can’t believe Senate Dems wouldn’t hold together to defeat the measure. It’d mean the end of his presidency effectively if they didn’t.

Which leads me to wonder:

A) Just how tied to BHO does Joe Biden think he is;

B) Just how serious is Joe Biden about running for POTUS, and;

C) How many friends in the US Senate does Joe Biden have?

JohnGalt23 on September 19, 2013 at 1:56 PM

Very nice.

I think the prospects for a defund bill are not quite as gloomy as the defund opponents on this board think they are. There may be some Democrats who decide to support defund with an eye towards 2016 or their own Senatorial careers. It would be nice for Biden (or maybe even Hillary) if the Obamacare albatross wasn’t hanging around his neck. After Syria, the White House is looking very weak right now. Would a weak coward like Obama have the guts to veto a defund bill if it actually hit his desk? Let’s see if we can’t find out.

I’m not saying defund is some guaranteed success, but there may be more hope than people think there is. This presupposed a untied Republican Party, of course, which is unlikely to happen since I think a lot of them like and support Obamacare (and definitely don’t like Cruz).

Mike Lee wants conservatives to rally around the idea of forcing Reid to hold an up-or-down vote on the House “defund” bill, which means he thinks he can at least get close to 51 with the help of red-state Democrats. Can he? Pryor and Manchin are conceivably “no” votes on O-Care; Landrieu and Begich would have to think hard too. Even with Obama as weak as he is now, though, I can’t believe Senate Dems wouldn’t hold together to defeat the measure. It’d mean the end of his presidency effectively if they didn’t. Lee’s goal here, I assume, is simply to make this as politically excruciating as he can for the White House in order to repay Boehner and the House GOP for giving the “defund” movement a shot. Won’t matter in the end — Reid won’t hold an up-or-down vote — but it’s good politics.

I am tired of this childish behavior. Yeah the Democrats will turn it to their advantage just like they did in ’98. The public is less informed today than they were in 1998. They get news from Comedy Central in addition to the MSM. Failed impeachment is a bigger winner for the Democrats than in was 15 years ago. Hotair commentators sound more and more like the DU and Daily Kos everyday.

Thats why delaying it would have better than defunding it. You vote to defund it, then its how the GOP doesn’t care about poor and sick people. You vote to delay it, and there it no coherent argument against delay as the employee mandate had been delayed.

“Any bill that defunds ObamaCare is dead, dead. It’s a waste of time, as I’ve said before,” Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid said.

Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said: “We’re sending the strong message to the House, we will not blink. Don’t get it into your heads that we will. We won’t. Don’t make it part of your strategy that eventually we’ll cave, we won’t. We’re unified, we’re together. You’re not.”

Sure looks like the Democrats are going to shut down the government. Not Republicans.

House simply begins passing a series of CRs funding the most vital and constitutionally-mandated functions of government: defense, postal service, etc. Everything except anything related to Obamacare. A series of separate bills, sum total not to exceed current debt-ceiling.

Then see which ones Reid takes up and the Senate passes and the President signs. Or see if Reid refuses to take up anything except a blanket CR covering everything. Or if the President refuses to sign anything less than a single CR covering everything.

With the House passage of each bill, Republicans announce that that are funding this, they are funding that– they ARE funding the government. It is Reid and/or the President who are shutting down the government by not passing or signing these bills.

I mean, what exactly is a dead-on-arrival, nonstarter bill that funds the military?