Quote:WT: ...meaning you are on the same level with Chi knowledge as Jeff Gordon and Tiger Woods and the rest of the forum are just spectators of 'real' martial artists? way to go. you really know how to alienate yourself

No, and I never said that. YOU and your other minions who have no knowledge of using chi puport yourselves as experts in all kinds of martial arts, and yet completely discount the use. Chi is also a connection... I can be using chi and be disconnected, and have no result... I can use chi and have a "bad" connection, and the techniques won't work... I can have a "good connection", and throw your a$$ out the dojo door or through the wall.

Take the time to go to Aikido class with your kids, Ed... you might actually learn something. As Eyrie said, "once you learn the internal method, you won't ever want to go external"... it's a simple rule... get some training and you might learn something. That's not arrogance or condecension... just good sense...

By the way, I just posted that so you guys would go ahead and blow off your usual $*** at us... it was just a matter of time, and I didn't want you to have any "pent up feelings"...

Brian... I'm an s$$ and you're an idiot... I guess you win... get some sleep

Eyrie, this subject is like talking to a rock with these guys... when you get through, the rock won't be any smarter about it...

Hi Grady! Just one of the minions here. Just one of the dancing twits and now an idiot I guess,yee haw. Could you calm down a little?

Can you move someone with your chi...without touching them? Can anyone? Can you project your chi into someone else without touching them? Make them convulse?

How am I supposed to buy the rest of the video,but overlook all the antics?

I'm not claiming any superiority to any style. I'm just trying to understand what they are doing there.

I understand the use of energy as in sanchin kata. Using your energy to move your opponent,but this requires actual contact,power generation. It doesn't rely on anything mystical that only works on certain people.

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There was a written discussion on a Goju website for a Goju kata on the "vibrating" that the chinese instructor was doing in the video posted by Gavin. I will have to come back to that at some time as I havent realy grasped it yet.I think that was the use of chi as internal energy?Plenty of time though.Years even.

My head spins. Going to take years all this.I think if chi is related to the thought process then there is something in it.

Quote ( not mine)(This isnt aimed at the therapeutic aspect of some martial arts)

Those who make over-liberal use of the concept of chi in their teachings of applications are;Deliberately deceivingThey know to little of their art therefore compensateOr they themselves have been deceived.

Personaly I think the people who do over play chi are full of B/S.In the video, the new age types over played the techniques.The guy doing them I dont think did. Not his fault he is surrounded by them. Some decent looking women there?Food for thought?Naaaa be to much hassle. The new age women that is.

no worries Brian. here's the no-win logic: when someone hits hard, makes it look easy and says they believe in Chi - it's attributed to them understanding internal concepts.

If someone hits hard, makes it look easy and says they DON'T believe in Chi concepts...well then, they have no clue what real MA is all about.

see...people here are being judged and categorized by their beliefs, not by their skill. If you believe and use the term Chi, then you are 'in' and what you are training is good. If you don't use the term or if you say it's bunk, then you are an external, knuckle-dragging, meatheaded, cyber-warring troglodite.

If someone hits hard, makes it look easy and says they DON'T believe in Chi concepts...well then, they have no clue what real MA is all about.

see...people here are being judged and categorized by their beliefs, not by their skill. If you believe and use the term Chi, then you are 'in' and what you are training is good. If you don't use the term or if you say it's bunk, then you are an external, knuckle-dragging, meatheaded, cyber-warring troglodite.

see how that works?

My limited student thoughts.External art based knuckle dragging meathead methods have their place. Banging the different body parts( with in reason??) against a tree has its place. Going back in time to our forefathers(according to scientists) and clinging to trees has its place.Isometric training has its place.Heaving huge weights has its place.Wacking the arms against other arms and objects has its place. Training kata to fit the bunkia (which ever form) has its place other wise the bunkia doesnt work. On a higher level the thought process has its place.Eating correctly has its place ( The founder of Aikido was a pure example)Maybe chi(not the B/S stuff) has its place?? I will ponder on that one at a later date.

If someone hits hard, makes it look easy and says they DON'T believe in Chi concepts...well then, they have no clue what real MA is all about.

see...people here are being judged and categorized by their beliefs, not by their skill. If you believe and use the term Chi, then you are 'in' and what you are training is good. If you don't use the term or if you say it's bunk, then you are an external, knuckle-dragging, meatheaded, cyber-warring troglodite.

see how that works?

I guess I'm in with the last part and that's ok with me. I believe I can hit moderately hard for my size and I don't attribute any of it to chi,just hard work and repetition. No need to glorify it with one zillion year old terms that make me seem more that what I really am.

Meatheaded troglodite!!!

How much chi is released after the Thanksgiving meal?

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Surely the chi thing doesn't make any difference? Someone can either hit hard/ be effective or whatever - or not. If their training method works for them - fine. I just let people feel for themselves the results of my training methods from me and my students and that speaks for itself.

It seems like the 3 letter word has become a four letter word to others.