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Is there anyone else that finds the Takara UM impressive looking over the Hasbro release? I don't just mean his really awesome AMW either but the over all look and how much bolder he appears over Hasbro's version.

does anyone else think that the thundertron/leo prime mold would make an awesome alpha trion?

I dunno, Thundertron and Leo Prime look kind of hokey. I think it's the huge claws, translucent blue plastic, and weird thing on his back that makes Thundertron odd.

O, you don't even know how close to a possible conspiracy you are...

You see, back in 2000 or so, Alpha Trion was one the possible BotCon exclusive contestants. The organisers tried getting the original BWII Lioconvoy mold from Takara, but that deal went down. So a hand-painted mock-up was made using Beast Machines Snarl instead, also a lion.

Rated X wrote:And this is not a TF Prime mold. It is an FOC mold packaged in a Japanese TF Prime box. Whoever made that decision at Takara gets a Nobel Prize.

True, but the likely reason they went ahead and used it was due to Shockwave's appearance in the cartoon necessitating them to give their market something to stand in for the absence of a proper Prime Shockwave toy.

It's close enough (color, chest, wings, cyclopic head, gun arm, etc.) to use for now in case they don't make a Prime Shockwave toy (it could happen, since they didn't make a new mold toy for Smokescreen, who's been a much bigger character in the show).

Why they aren't giving certain show characters their own molds, however, is baffling.

FOC is also in the same continuity as Prime, so this is the same guy anyway. Different suit, same psycho.

In America there is no link between WFC/FOC and TF Prime. One is a video game and the other is a cartoon. Both have toy lines. TF Prime has a unique toyline, while WFC/FOC has merged into the Generations line. (or in my opinion hijacked the Generations line) Maybe somewhere in the Japanese collectors market, Takara has tried to merge the two and the Asians are buying into it. Sodan-1 mentioned one time that the Asian version of TF Prime has extra clips with Microns, however they are not part of the show. I havent seen these clips yet. Back in America, I just finished watching Season 2 of TF Prime, and there is no Shoockwave. At least not yet. After how they butchered Soundwave, Im scared to see what they will do to Shockwave. Maybe they should just leave him alone. The only thing that's certain is this figure is the closest thing we will ever get to a classics Shockwave from Has/Tak. hopefully, the "other guys" deliver.

RhA wrote:FOC is also in the same continuity as Prime, so this is the same guy anyway. Different suit, same psycho.

In America there is no link between WFC/FOC and TF Prime. [VERY False] One is a video game and the other is a cartoon. [True] Both have toy lines. [True] TF Prime has a unique toyline, while WFC/FOC has merged into the Generations line. [True] Maybe somewhere in the Japanese collectors market, Takara has tried to merge the two and the Asians are buying into it. [Also VERY False] Sodan-1 mentioned one time that the Asian version of TF Prime has extra clips with Microns, however they are not part of the show. I havent seen these clips yet. [True and true, they're cutsey mascot characters] Back in America, I just finished watching Season 2 of TF Prime, and there is no Shoockwave. [You missed Out of the Past] At least not yet. After how they butchered Soundwave, Im scared to see what they will do to Shockwave. [I like Prime Soundwave, but I respect your opinion] Maybe they should just leave him alone. The only thing that's certain is this figure is the closest thing we will ever get to a classics Shockwave from Has/Tak. hopefully, the "other guys" deliver.

...W-what? I thought we were over this confusion already. xD WfC/FoC and Prime are both in the same continuity. Now, there are some slight inconsistencies between media, but everything right now is Aligned continuity material. This is confirmed. If you REALLY want to make a big deal of the inconsistencies, you can argue that there are multiple time streams within the aligned continuity; where most of the major events are the same but some minor details are skewed between them.

RhA wrote:FOC is also in the same continuity as Prime, so this is the same guy anyway. Different suit, same psycho.

In America there is no link between WFC/FOC and TF Prime. [VERY False] One is a video game and the other is a cartoon. [True] Both have toy lines. [True] TF Prime has a unique toyline, while WFC/FOC has merged into the Generations line. [True] Maybe somewhere in the Japanese collectors market, Takara has tried to merge the two and the Asians are buying into it. [Also VERY False] Sodan-1 mentioned one time that the Asian version of TF Prime has extra clips with Microns, however they are not part of the show. I havent seen these clips yet. [True and true, they're cutsey mascot characters] Back in America, I just finished watching Season 2 of TF Prime, and there is no Shoockwave. [You missed Out of the Past] At least not yet. After how they butchered Soundwave, Im scared to see what they will do to Shockwave. [I like Prime Soundwave, but I respect your opinion] Maybe they should just leave him alone. The only thing that's certain is this figure is the closest thing we will ever get to a classics Shockwave from Has/Tak. hopefully, the "other guys" deliver.

...W-what? I thought we were over this confusion already. xD WfC/FoC and Prime are both in the same continuity. Now, there are some slight inconsistencies between media, but everything right now is Aligned continuity material. This is confirmed. If you REALLY want to make a big deal of the inconsistencies, you can argue that there are multiple time streams within the aligned continuity; where most of the major events are the same but some minor details are skewed between them.

Rated X wrote:In America there is no link between WFC/FOC and TF Prime.

America is where the link originated. Japan never got either video game released over in their market. HASBRO created the link between the games and show. The link was established by Hasbro even before either the games or the cartoon were even created.

Rated X wrote:One is a video game and the other is a cartoon. Both have toy lines. TF Prime has a unique toyline, while WFC/FOC has merged into the Generations line. (or in my opinion hijacked the Generations line)

Just the same as any other multiple franchises that have been in continuity with each other.

To give some examples:

Generation 1, Generation 2, Beast Wars, and Beast Machines

Armada, Energon, and Cybertron

Transformers (2007), Revenge of the Fallen, Transformers (2010), Dark of the Moon

Rated X wrote:Maybe somewhere in the Japanese collectors market, Takara has tried to merge the two and the Asians are buying into it.

Like I said, the games weren't released in Japan.

Rated X wrote:Sodan-1 mentioned one time that the Asian version of TF Prime has extra clips with Microns, however they are not part of the show. I havent seen these clips yet.

I mentioned those to you as well and warned you that someone like you would not find them tasteful, but since you so insist, here! It's after all the Decepticon clips in this video, starting at 3:20.

Rated X wrote:Back in America, I just finished watching Season 2 of TF Prime, and there is no Shoockwave. At least not yet. After how they butchered Soundwave, Im scared to see what they will do to Shockwave. Maybe they should just leave him alone. The only thing that's certain is this figure is the closest thing we will ever get to a classics Shockwave from Has/Tak. hopefully, the "other guys" deliver.

Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'

Rated X wrote:In America there is no link between WFC/FOC and TF Prime. One is a video game and the other is a cartoon. Both have toy lines.

According to Hasbro, all three series are interconnected by the Aligned continuity. Namely everything from Fall of Cybertron to Prime is interconnected, according to Hasbro. So yes - Hasbro says that there is a connection between the three series.

Rated X wrote:TF Prime has a unique toyline, while WFC/FOC has merged into the Generations line. (or in my opinion hijacked the Generations line) Maybe somewhere in the Japanese collectors market, Takara has tried to merge the two and the Asians are buying into it.

However, Takara Tomy has made it clear that they are not following Hasbro's "binder of revelation" when they started UNITED, PRIME: Arms Micron, and their incarnation of Generations 2. So anything that they receive is based on what they want, not what Hasbro chose to make. So when it comes to them, they will do what it takes to make their lines be different than what Hasbro gives us.

Rated X wrote:Sodan-1 mentioned one time that the Asian version of TF Prime has extra clips with Microns, however they are not part of the show. I havent seen these clips yet.

Japan. And they are clips shown after every episode and tie the events shown to what happened in the episode. Atop of that, they also have a game tied to their version of PRIME, which also includes the Arms Microns. The animation for these are honestly not worth mentioning, but fit since they also have rewritten the scripting (and personalities for some of the characters).

Rated X wrote:Back in America, I just finished watching Season 2 of TF Prime, and there is no Shoockwave. At least not yet. After how they butchered Soundwave, Im scared to see what they will do to Shockwave. Maybe they should just leave him alone. The only thing that's certain is this figure is the closest thing we will ever get to a classics Shockwave from Has/Tak. hopefully, the "other guys" deliver.

Ummmm... Yeah. Shockwave was a major player in Arcee's flashback episode, as in the season 2 episode that has her first meet Cliffjumper and the two make their way off of Cybertron. He also appears in the Dinobot-based PRIME comic tie-in. And I do not think that Hasbro butchered him or Soundwave. But I do wonder what Takara Tomy was thinking when they made Airachnid sound bit too "boy crazy."

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Plus, it now draws the line that has me wonder if they plan to do the same with Grimlock.

If Grimlock shows up in Prime.

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Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.

Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.

LOST Cybertronian wrote:Ok, do we really need three people doing a point by point rebuttal of one post with nearly the exact same answers? Didn't think so, lets move back to discussing the figures.

Why yes. Yes we do. Because that is why Al Gore created the internet.

*fistbump*

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:And besides, this does answer why Takara Tomy did not place Shockwave in their FoC line. Plus, it now draws the line that has me wonder if they plan to do the same with Grimlock.

Unless they trow us a curveball and sudden reveal a full blown Prime Grimlock toy.

It's possible, since there was one more Prime Beast Hunters Voyager teased at NYCC but kept secret from us.

Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'

Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'

KUMA-NIN Maximus wrote:Plus, it now draws the line that has me wonder if they plan to do the same with Grimlock.

If Grimlock shows up in Prime.

He did appear in the IDW comic adaption. But that was Hasbro's decision. But with TOMY, it appears that they have their own fiction and may just toss him in. I doubt it myself, but it does make me wonder.