It's hard to be anti-Israel without being accused of, or perceived as, anti-Semitic. Which sucks, Because as complex as the situation is, and as difficult a position as Israel is in, sometimes they just don't help matters.

ModernLuddite:It's hard to be anti-Israel without being accused of, or perceived as, anti-Semitic. Which sucks, Because as complex as the situation is, and as difficult a position as Israel is in, sometimes they just don't help matters.

That's certainly not my perception of FARK. I see lots and lots of anti-Israel expressions here without much name calling of anti-Semitism.

On the other hand, I've seen lots of actual anti-Semitic comments made as well.

IdBeCrazyIf:HotWingConspiracy: The sole nuclear power in the Middle East routinely threatens military action, completely rejects diplomacy, and nobody seems to notice or care.

It's all talk at this point, when push comes to shove they'll tow the line if Iran comes to the table with real negotiations.

Which is why Israel is doing everything in its power to prevent real negotiations. I'm not a foreign government, but if I somehow was one, I don't think massive propaganda campaigns against me, assassinations of my officials, and sabotage would put me in much of a negotiatin' mood.

LordJiro:Which is why Israel is doing everything in its power to prevent real negotiations. I'm not a foreign government, but if I somehow was one, I don't think massive propaganda campaigns against me, assassinations of my officials, and sabotage would put me in much of a negotiatin' mood.

Don't think that this won't get a hand slap behind closed doors. The US has a real interest in negotiating a deal, and with the ayatollah backing this time around? Yeah Iran is ready to come to the table as well. So I would expect those talks behind those doors to politely tell Israel to sit down and shut up for a minute.

RoyBatty:ModernLuddite: It's hard to be anti-Israel without being accused of, or perceived as, anti-Semitic. Which sucks, Because as complex as the situation is, and as difficult a position as Israel is in, sometimes they just don't help matters.

That's certainly not my perception of FARK. I see lots and lots of anti-Israel expressions here without much name calling of anti-Semitism.

On the other hand, I've seen lots of actual anti-Semitic comments made as well.

Argue as much as you'd like against Israel. Enjoy yourself.

No one actually has opinions on Fark. We're all contrarians for no reason. In fact, no, we're not.

But seriously, I've been damn near lynched for expressing the opinion that the United States defending a theocratic state that routinely commits human rights violations against people based on race and religion is insane IN REAL LIFE. You can say whatever you want on the internets.

In all seriousness, given that there's a pretty big internal shift in Iran's internal politics that involves a fairly moderate, secular faction that's very popular displacing an authoritarian, historically violent faction that seized power in the first place by murdering everyone that disagreed with it...

... I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that the assassins here might not be from an externalpower. Iran's whole thing is sabotaging peaceful shifts in power with brutality, intimidation, and violence, that's basically the entire charter of their government.

LordJiro:IdBeCrazyIf: HotWingConspiracy: The sole nuclear power in the Middle East routinely threatens military action, completely rejects diplomacy, and nobody seems to notice or care.

It's all talk at this point, when push comes to shove they'll tow the line if Iran comes to the table with real negotiations.

Which is why Israel is doing everything in its power to prevent real negotiations. I'm not a foreign government, but if I somehow was one, I don't think massive propaganda campaigns against me, assassinations of my officials, and sabotage would put me in much of a negotiatin' mood.

Only because you don't want to negotiate and never did. Which is why bad things are happening.

Its no mystery why Iran is in the spot it is. They aggravate their neighbors with missile tests, thumb their nose at the UN with its nuclear program, and get directly involved in civil wars by training soldiers and selling weapons.So, yea, someone takes another shot at them and that's the only reason they won't come to a table that's been open for the better part of three decades... Or it could be that they've ignored a list of requests from the world for them tostop being dickheads.

If they tackle any one item the problem starts to go away. Instead they've made it more of a point to escalate by recently adding hacking to their list of annoying behaviors.

That doesn't put anyone else in a negotiating mood either.

/No, we won't bring candy and flowers and ask for you to join us for negotiations over lunch./We send a memo that says "See this shiat? STOP IT!"/Some people send their memos with a supersonic projectile...

LordJiro:IdBeCrazyIf: HotWingConspiracy: The sole nuclear power in the Middle East routinely threatens military action, completely rejects diplomacy, and nobody seems to notice or care.

It's all talk at this point, when push comes to shove they'll tow the line if Iran comes to the table with real negotiations.

Which is why Israel is doing everything in its power to prevent real negotiations. I'm not a foreign government, but if I somehow was one, I don't think massive propaganda campaigns against me, assassinations of my officials, and sabotage would put me in much of a negotiatin' mood.

Or maybe the new guy is smart enough to recognize the provocation, and wants to push ahead anyway.

HotWingConspiracy:Greek: HotWingConspiracy: The nation that has its leader routinely threaten military action at the floor of the UN is the one interested in peace.

Well, we'll see if that continues under the new guy. So far, he does seem to be an improvement over imadinnerplate.

I was talking about Bibi.

The sole nuclear power in the Middle East routinely threatens military action, completely rejects diplomacy, and nobody seems to notice or care.

That's because they are faced with the same kind of diplomacy that anti-gun people use. They want to take the whole cake but will compromise and take just half this time. The next time they want the other half but will compromise and only take a quarter while giving none of the first half back. Rinse, repeat.

It's completely one sided diplomacy, Israel gives up territory and they stop threatening them until they decide they want Israel to give up more territory.