Jeremy Stephens

This is info given to me by a twitter follower of mine on December 1, 2011 regarding an incident involving Jeremy Stephens. It's long.-Stephens was at a bar called Fat Tony's in Des Moines w/his cousin Dustin, fighter Victor Moreno, Shane (Jeremy's childhood friend)+his wife-Shane becomes angry. Someone spilled drinks on credit card. He gets loud, angry. His wife puts her arm on his shoulder. He pushes it away-Jeremy Stephens, intoxicated, sees this as Shane getting physical w/ a woman. JS gets in Shane's face. Threatens him. Security comes over.-Shane is being escorted out of the bar. Dustin (Jeremy's cousin) says to bouncer that's my friend. He convinces him to let him stay...-So Shane and Dustin return to the area where Jeremy Stephens is. Jeremy confronts him and punches Shane 10 times. Also kicked on ground-Dustin, also heavily intoxicated, joins in on beating of Shane. Shane's wife, pregnant at the time, convinces them to stop the beating-Shane's wife brings him outside bar. Puts him in a car. Jeremy Stephens sees him in car,punches hole thru window, drags him out.More beating-Stephens bails when cops show up. Shane is taken by ambulance to hospital. He spends 3 days in ICU. Here's the real interesting part...-Dustin is arrested and charged with the assault. Stephens allegedly offers to pay for Dustin's legal bills for him to take the fall.-Stephens gets out of dodge. Has other friend drive him to Omaha to get back to San Diego. Avoid questioning. Scheduled 2 b there a wk longer-Again, this was information given to me. Everything is alleged. The source had incredible details so that's story as told to me.

Depends what 'respect' means. I don't see anyone here calling Dana a "faggot" or a "fucking bitch" like he enjoys calling people.

Is calling someone who is blatantly lying a liar being disrespectful?

Ease up on that trigger finger.

What evidence do you have that DFW lied? The idea that he KNEW that Stephens wasn't going to be able to fight, but decided to lie to his customers is, frankly, insane. There is zero upside to lying in this case.

Isn't it more probable that DFW was simply wrong?

I've been saying this exact same think on the other Jeremy Stephens thread for hours Caffiend. People just seem to be stuck with their narrow minded opinions. Dana ended up being wrong but IMO he didn't lie. To lie requires intent to deceive otherwise it's just being wrong.

Jeremy = "You didn't take care of an outstanding felony warrant for assault and you got arrested after crossing state lines?! Let me try to bail you out and drive you to the arena in time!!"

You know you warrant could had just been issued, and Jeremy had no idea about it right...

You do know that he could have known about the warrant before then right....

Do you call your police department every day to make sure no warrant has been issued for your arrest? If your police department has one, do you check the police department's website for open warrants daily?

Me neither.

No, because I'm not an asshole with a criminal record, or someone who commits violent assaults.

But I suppose in your world, everyone who has a warrant out for their arrest is completely oblivious to that fact, right?

All I'm trying to get across is that if someone is innocent, and had no part in assaulting someone over a year ago, do you think they're worried about a warrant being issued for their arrest? Do you think they are constantly checking to see if a warrants been issued? No. They're not.

This is info given to me by a twitter follower of mine on December 1, 2011 regarding an incident involving Jeremy Stephens. It's long.-Stephens was at a bar called Fat Tony's in Des Moines w/his cousin Dustin, fighter Victor Moreno, Shane (Jeremy's childhood friend)+his wife-Shane becomes angry. Someone spilled drinks on credit card. He gets loud, angry. His wife puts her arm on his shoulder. He pushes it away-Jeremy Stephens, intoxicated, sees this as Shane getting physical w/ a woman. JS gets in Shane's face. Threatens him. Security comes over.-Shane is being escorted out of the bar. Dustin (Jeremy's cousin) says to bouncer that's my friend. He convinces him to let him stay...-So Shane and Dustin return to the area where Jeremy Stephens is. Jeremy confronts him and punches Shane 10 times. Also kicked on ground-Dustin, also heavily intoxicated, joins in on beating of Shane. Shane's wife, pregnant at the time, convinces them to stop the beating-Shane's wife brings him outside bar. Puts him in a car. Jeremy Stephens sees him in car,punches hole thru window, drags him out.More beating-Stephens bails when cops show up. Shane is taken by ambulance to hospital. He spends 3 days in ICU. Here's the real interesting part...-Dustin is arrested and charged with the assault. Stephens allegedly offers to pay for Dustin's legal bills for him to take the fall.-Stephens gets out of dodge. Has other friend drive him to Omaha to get back to San Diego. Avoid questioning. Scheduled 2 b there a wk longer-Again, this was information given to me. Everything is alleged. The source had incredible details so that's story as told to me.

can the courts do that? if they set a bail shouldn't they be forced to honor it? every time they see that he was going to bailed out they just raise it up? whats the point of the bail then cuz clearly they was just making excuses not to let him out. doesn't that break the laws?

fuck the police. i hope the ufc uses their lawyers to rape that court for this shit. nothing worse then when they system breaks there own rules

Drunkie - can the courts do that? if they set a bail shouldn't they be forced to honor it? every time they see that he was going to bailed out they just raise it up? whats the point of the bail then cuz clearly they was just making excuses not to let him out. doesn't that break the laws?

fuck the police. i hope the ufc uses their lawyers to rape that court for this shit. nothing worse then when they system breaks there own rules

they didn't set a bail, because he skipped town previously apparently.

Depends what 'respect' means. I don't see anyone here calling Dana a "faggot" or a "fucking bitch" like he enjoys calling people.

Is calling someone who is blatantly lying a liar being disrespectful?

Ease up on that trigger finger.

What evidence do you have that DFW lied? The idea that he KNEW that Stephens wasn't going to be able to fight, but decided to lie to his customers is, frankly, insane. There is zero upside to lying in this case.

Isn't it more probable that DFW was simply wrong?

I've been saying this exact same think on the other Jeremy Stephens thread for hours Caffiend. People just seem to be stuck with their narrow minded opinions. Dana ended up being wrong but IMO he didn't lie. To lie requires intent to deceive otherwise it's just being wrong.

I don't KNOW that Jessica Alba won't show up to my house later on. But if I tell you to come round to meet her and she doesn't show, I don't get to say "sorry, I was wrong". I was lying.

Dana may not have KNOWN that Stephens couldn't fight (although I don't actually believe this either) but he knew there was a very real chance that he couldn't.

Thus by unequivocally stating that Stephens will fight, he was lying. He could have said "we are confident Stephens can still fight tonight" and nobody would give a shit. Instead he chose to lie.

I don't think he was motivated by financial gain, others have a good theory on this. He can't admit the MMA media is right about anything so he lies.

Just like how he tried to claim that GSP is a bigger draw than Brock Lesnar was, which is also a blatant lie.

Damn, not the Jessica Alba defense. There's no rebuttal to the Jessica Alba defense. I'm just going to have to back out now... shit!

Drunkie - can the courts do that? if they set a bail shouldn't they be forced to honor it? every time they see that he was going to bailed out they just raise it up? whats the point of the bail then cuz clearly they was just making excuses not to let him out. doesn't that break the laws?

fuck the police. i hope the ufc uses their lawyers to rape that court for this shit. nothing worse then when they system breaks there own rules

they didn't set a bail, because he skipped town previously apparently.

that would make sense. so maybe i am not understanding dana's post. what deals was he making then? how was he going to get him out if a bail wasn't set.

Fabes -
Some of you need to relax. The NFL, NHL, NBA, MLB Commissioners don't post answers like this on forum boards. You don't have to kiss anyone's ass but you do need to be respectful. And you should be appreciative.

If the NFL, NBA or whomever commissioner insulted a law enforcement agency and insisted that they shouldn't enforce a felony warrant they would be destroyed by the media and the fans.

Depends what 'respect' means. I don't see anyone here calling Dana a "faggot" or a "fucking bitch" like he enjoys calling people.

Is calling someone who is blatantly lying a liar being disrespectful?

Ease up on that trigger finger.

What evidence do you have that DFW lied? The idea that he KNEW that Stephens wasn't going to be able to fight, but decided to lie to his customers is, frankly, insane. There is zero upside to lying in this case.

Isn't it more probable that DFW was simply wrong?

I've been saying this exact same think on the other Jeremy Stephens thread for hours Caffiend. People just seem to be stuck with their narrow minded opinions. Dana ended up being wrong but IMO he didn't lie. To lie requires intent to deceive otherwise it's just being wrong.

I don't KNOW that Jessica Alba won't show up to my house later on. But if I tell you to come round to meet her and she doesn't show, I don't get to say "sorry, I was wrong". I was lying.

Dana may not have KNOWN that Stephens couldn't fight (although I don't actually believe this either) but he knew there was a very real chance that he couldn't.

Thus by unequivocally stating that Stephens will fight, he was lying. He could have said "we are confident Stephens can still fight tonight" and nobody would give a shit. Instead he chose to lie.

I don't think he was motivated by financial gain, others have a good theory on this. He can't admit the MMA media is right about anything so he lies.

Just like how he tried to claim that GSP is a bigger draw than Brock Lesnar was, which is also a blatant lie.

Damn, not the Jessica Alba defense. There's no rebuttal to the Jessica Alba defense. I'm just going to have to back out now... shit!

Also BLAF as long as you're giving Yves his due$ and keeping it in mind for the next time good on ya. Appreciate the feedback