What America would be like without blacks

The following is my own opinion, though it is based in part on Ralph Ellison’s 1970 Time magazine essay of the same name:

Abraham Lincoln was thinking of sending blacks back to Africa after they were freed. He thought blacks and whites could not live together peacefully in the same society if they were both free and equal. Whites saw free blacks as troublemakers. Slave owners favoured the creation of Liberia as a place to send them.

It was not just whites who have pushed this idea. Black nationalists too, like Marcus Garvey, have wanted to set up a separate black nation, either in North America or in Africa itself.

Even today many whites see blacks as a drain on society: America has sent millions of blacks to prison in unheard-of numbers while spending billions in taxes to support a pathological black underclass – or so the Republicans tell it.

Yet without blacks, America:

Would be poorer – it got rich in part on the backs of black slaves and, later, through cheap black labour. This has helped to underwrite both industrialization and white middle-class comfort.

It would have far fewer people – it would be thinly populated like Canada or Australia. It would probably have only half as many people: without slave labour the country would have grown much more slowly.

It would be a weaker country – because it would be both smaller and poorer. And more divided:

There would be no melting pot – the main division in American society would no longer be race but class, religion and ethnicity. There would be no Them against which to create a common White American identity. Oddly, society would be more divided not less.

There would neither be rock music nor pizza – the music, language, food and fashion would be different. Not only because there would be no black culture to affect the mainstream but also because there would be no melting pot through which ethnic white cultures could affect it too. American mainstream culture would not just be less black, but, for example, less Jewish too. It would be much Waspier and have worse food and worse music.

Society would be more unjust, its people less free and equal – because America would have never been forced to live up to its liberal values of freedom and equality like it has. There would have been no civil war or civil rights movement. Equal rights even among white men might not have been achieved, much less any thought of equal rights for women, gays and so on. Think Northern Ireland writ large.

Ellison says of blacks in America:

They are an American people who are geared to what is, and who yet are driven by a sense of what it is possible for human life to be in this society. The nation could not survive being deprived of their presence because, by the irony implicit in the dynamics of American democracy, they symbolize both its most stringent testing and the possibility of its greatest human freedom.

@randy: No it is not. It is a fact. Just trace almost every single original american cultural innovation back to its roots and you’ll see. Blacks! I know it feels scary if you have believed in white supremacy all your life but facts are facts. Music, litterature, via story telling the litterature, performance arts etc. Sorry. Just the way it is.

To suggest that any one group is responsible for the cultural development of such a polyglot nation as the US indicates either ignorance or bias. I’ll grant you esteem enough to not presume the former.

I beg to differ, ‘JL’. I am a multi-generational Black Canadian. My family were given land in the Oro-Medonte area after the war of 1812, 1819 to be exact. The second strand(apternal) are descended from escaped slaves who arrived in Canada after the Dred Scott Decision of 1855. They(1819) got this land for helping the British during the War of 182(which the Yanks lost by the way, otherwise we would be the 54th or how many states you currently have). If you are going to write bullshit, at least employ some modicum of accuracy.

JL: 2.5% of Canadians are black. They are a smaller percentage but I’ve known and read several black Canadian bloggers.

True, but the vast majority are immigrants or the children of immigrants who arrived in the last 60 years. Canada did have a small slave population and there are descendants of American slaves who fled to Canada but the large majority of Blacks in Canada are from recent (voluntary) immigration. Their impact on Canada is markedly different than with Blacks in US.

I agree with JL’s premise that the US would look more like Canada or Australia with the absence of Black slaves.

Let’s see.. more egalitarian, safer, universal medical care, and strong unions. (And markedly lower government debt per capita..)
And the average Aussie and Canuck is hardly impoverished.
It doesn’t sound so bad to me.

But to say otherwise would just as quickly imply that a particular is more or less expendable than other groups, credit Jews for intellectual development, Germans and English for certain political innovations, modern Mexicans for cheap labor, Asians for Ivy League filler, and you have the greatest nation on the planet

* The lexicon would be more bland.
* A lot of technologies and processes/procedures wouldn’t have been invented/developed.
* Basketball/Football wouldn’t be as fun to watch.
* No one would have ever seen or worn Afros or Dashikis.
* There would be a lot less talented comedians.
* White privilege wouldn’t exist.
* Some other group would serve as the scapegoat to blame for America’s problems.
* Some other group would serve as the primary guinea pigs for secret experiments.
* The prison/criminal justice industrial complex wouldn’t be as profitable a capitalistic venture.
* America wouldn’t have been able to finance NASA and space exploration.
* America wouldn’t have been able to invade countries like Vietnam, Iraq and Pakistan – and finance despots and corrupt regimes all over the globe thus potentially making the world a safer place.

“Let’s see.. more egalitarian, safer, universal medical care, and strong unions. (And markedly lower government debt per capita..)
And the average Aussie and Canuck is hardly impoverished.
It doesn’t sound so bad to me.”

Would that have been after, or prior to, the unspeakable holocausts inflicted on the indigenous peoples of said colonies? Indeed from slavery, to colonialism, to Jim Crow, and Apartheid, from eugenics to the more current satellite imperialism, financial and militaristic and otherwise, it’s been the burden of every white supremacist to bring that Nazi dream to fruition, hasn’t it? Positively…. Hitlerian if you ask me. A man whom could safely be said was methodically laborious in his efforts to bring about your sort of egalitarianism. 🙂

Would that have been after, or prior to, the unspeakable holocausts inflicted on the indigenous peoples of said colonies?

I am talking about the present day. The topic is about what the US would be like now without a history of Black slavery. Australia and Canada by many measures are safer and more egalitarian than the US or do you disagree..? This is not say that they don’t have a bloody past towards the indigenous people they do. (Albeit Canada’s historical treatment of First Nation people is supposed to be better than the US but not wonderful by any means..)

If you didn’t know it (it sounds like you don’t…) several Canadian cities are very diverse – In 2006 Vancouver had about 50% visible minorities:

Toronto around 46%:

Not exactly a White Supremacist’s Whitopia, but quite pleasant cities when I last visited. (2007 for Vancouver, 2005 for Toronto..)

As for Hitlerarian fantasies.. the only one I have is going back to 1932 to put a bullet in Adolf’s head.

I see that Abagond did not explicitly say what he thought The US would like with Black slavery but without Blacks. However at multiple points in his essay he expressly tied the presence of Blacks in the US and their perceived the benefit to Whites to slavery. Canada has Black people but the large majority are or are descended from voluntary immigrants. The large majority of American Blacks are descended from slaves, not voluntary immigrants. Hence in my mind the important contrast and relevance of the comparison between the two countries.

in plain truth, Americas prestige and vigor could not have been attained if not for blacks.Black people have style.durability and a sense of belonging.The whites on the other hand are rhythm less, mostly cold hearted and exploitative.
Americas democratic ideology is build solely from the ideas of martin king jr and Malcolm X efforts and endeavors, which brought to light the American continent.

personally i think an America without blacks would be worst than Australia.Australians hail from British colonies and are mostly the off springs of outlaws from British colonies. so they have a mixed culture which part of it constitutes the black culture. though in a very small percentage.

And i wish to make mention of the issue of planned parent hood.If you take a good survey of planned parent hood, 80 percent of them are concentrated where the black population is en mass. 20 percent is targeting the LATINOS.
America has no sense of democracy or reliability.Just a nation that had a selfish president who decided to practice the policy of isolationism so he could profit during the war. But at the end we talk about the American dream.very pathertic.

@randy: I assume you understand what you read so I assume that you understand what I mean when I imply that in every original american cultural innovation the starting point OR the roots OR some early influence comes from the blacks of the nation.

If you do not understand that, I can not help you out.

I also would like you to name just one original american cultural innovation which has not been influenced by the black population at one point or another in its development. There is none.

I understand that you wish there were american original cultural innovations without any influence of the blacks but sorry, there is just none. You can start from the movies and music and widen the scope from there. In language, fashion, story telling, music etc. of the movies you can see the black influence if you do not close your mind and ears and eyes.

Just look at the racist classic Birth of the Nation and tell me it has no black influences, which is quite funny, since it depicts blacks as drugged out rapists of the Ole South and the KKK the knights in shiny white sheets and funny hats.

So even racist american culture is influenced by the black population in that racists have adapted little things from here and there from those whom they supposedly hold as lesser humanbeings. Which is always quite tragicomical. A bit like the nazis adapting the name aryan (=iranian) and then massmurder the gypsies who were the closest thing Europe had any real aryans at that time.

I also would like you to name just one original american cultural innovation which has not been influenced by the black population at one point or another in its development. There is none.

Comment 2 doesn’t imply comment 1. For example, jazz was “influenced at one point or another in its development by the white population”, but I’d wouldn’t say that black folks have “no culture at all”.

You see how silly and bigoted your comments sound when you switch white and black?

sam:

I understand that you wish there were american original cultural innovations without any influence of the blacks but sorry, there is just none.

Actually, I could hardly care less. I like what I like regardless of who contributed to it.

The point is that American white folks do not have much of a unifying culture aside from the cult of whiteness. I am a white person saying this. Once you see it, you can’t unsee it: white culture utterly pivots on othering. Most other things are shared with other groups and/or co-opted.

To append my earlier comment, other things are simply the cult of wealth, largely enjoyed by whites in America, subsidized by the labor of poor POC across the glob, poor Latin@s here currently, and poor Black people in the past.

America wouldn’t be America. Black people are the heart and soul of this country, don’t let anybody tell you otherwise. Our struggle as african-americans made it possible for all of humanity to live and thrive in this country regardless of where they came from. America is unique in that respect, and black folk should get the credit. We’ve contributed to all aspects of american culture…history, politics, cinema, music, arts, industry, technology, and so forth. It’s important that we know the greatness of our people.

I had forgotten all about that movie! It came out years ago but I still haven’t seen it. I wonder what other group of POC would be made to be the scapegoat for all of society’s ills? SOMEBODY would have to take the blame.

African slavery was a huge boon to America and Europe. It’s like I say, you rarely see black people on antiques roadshow because their great grand fathers and mothers WERE the antiques (you only need to go back a few generations to the 1800s, to find black people on plantations).

But descendants of the people whose ancestors were worked to death for free for centuries are often hated. It is entirely illogical behavior from a moral standpoint. In fact, the moral behavior of a culture that truly despised its horrible past would be to make reparations. Nontheless, hatred and racism make perfect sense within the particularly warped cultural thought of societies born from human exploitation.

BTW, the story of the civil war is a bit more complex in relation to slavery. Lincoln’s real aim was to prevent the Southern states from leaving the union. Slavery was a bargaining chip. They didn’t bite, so slavery was abolished to establish a casus belli and to deny the south free slave labour in its war machine. Thus, the policy towards slavery played a role in the political intrigue but I wouldn’t consider it the main issue of the war.

BTW, I need to look into more of what Marcus Garvey said but I don’t know if he was a black seperatist in terms of wanting black people to physically move from where they were. I think he did believe that black people needed to build structures to advance themselves in the face of white supremacy rather than only petition white people to stop being racist. IIRC, he started several companies to support that vision.

I think a relevant point is that he was from Jamaica, a country that has a long history of colonialism and African slavery (under Spain then Britan) but where the majority of people are of African descent (partially or wholly) and where basically the whole country was poor in the aftermath. So his view of what black people needed to do may have been different than that of someone who grew up surrounded by a large number of relatively prosperous white people.

All cultures have contributed to the growth and expansion of America. The Black culture has done their part and it is a big part for sure. To say the black culture made this country is like saying that the white culture made this country…it is all hypocrisy. They did not do it alone, nor did the Spanish, European, Asian, etc. You cannot say that this country is nothing without you. It would be what it would be. Ask the French, English, Irish, Scottish, Germans, Russians, Greeks, Italians etc. It is very arrogant to say the black culture gets all the credit and the rest of the world is nothing. If blacks had never come here or been brought here there would still be a culture here because the native americans were already here along with the mexicans. America was created by God and we all contributed. Another fallacy I noticed on your blog posts is that all white america is christian. So…there are no black christians ? Not for nothing… has anyone told you lately that you are full of bull?

“has anyone told you lately that you are full of bull?”
“No, but you sure are!”

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Just when you thought this might be a safe troll-free-zone again… for at least maybe 5 or 10 minutes. But noooo… Like the energizer bunnies, the trolls (ie Alexandra) just keep on coming and coming.

Well since you’re still here, I have some questions.

There’s plenty of white anti-racist sites (or, for likely greater comfort – “I’m not racist, BUT …” sites) where you trolls could go and lend your trolly drive-by voices. But yet you continually drop in here. Why is that? If this site is so full of bull, the question begs, WHY are you trolls here?

Do you trolls secretly LOVE BLACK PEOPLE and desire to be in our company? Or is it simply your usual WHITE patriarchal tendencies overcoming and compelling you to set us error prone darkies straight? Obviously you don’t come here with your minds OPEN to learn anything.. because YOU already KNOW ALL.

So I’m wondering if in some deluded fashion your collective TROLL attitude is like that of the Borg hive collective in that YOU want to ASSIMILATE those of us who are wary and weary of racism because — you don’t like it much when black folks show YOU your whiteness, as we are prone to do on this site?

Why don’t you hang out at those places where clueless people like YOU fit in and are well received?

Well, Matari, let’s consider it from the positive side, she is clueless, but she might be smart enough to be trying to get a clue and the clueless cannot get that from people who do not have a clue.

For instance in the Netherlands the annual Black Pete-debate is going on. Which is weird, as we are talking about the sidekick of the most popular extra-biblical saint there is, who in the old days was often depicted as darker than many people calling themselves black nowadays, but has been whitened up that much that now even his brown horse has turned into a snowwhite gray.

OK, it has turned somewhat nasty, black anti-Pete activists, protested with “Zwarte Piet is Racism”, at the two most prominent arrival of St. Nicholas parades, in the country. Though their statement is true, so is the statement that it is not racism. The only thing you are sure about with this character is that it is highly disambiguous, you see:
The character is probably one (though sometimes seen in their hundreds), male (though evidence of the truth of the opposite is common), black (as in having a nice Subsaharan shade, though blackfaced pretenders are common as muck and lots of people pretend that nappy hair, OVERSIZED lips in artwork, and brightly red lips, and a beautiful black colour, as well as clean clothes are acquired by going through chimneys, yah sure.), person employed by St.Nicholas (though there are some who are claiming that the character woulld be a slave of St.Nicholas), who is said to be stupid (or smart), … I guess you get the picture…

Now, the reason for the police to interact can be summarized as Fighting Words, the tens of thousands of people there were all there for St. Nicholas and his companions, with many little children, people might disagree, and describe the activists in somewhat pejorative expressions, includimng a couple of terminal ones and from there… So they formed a safety risk, did not shut up and get lost when the police told them to do that (the numbers stated differ either three times told them that politely or told them that five times,yep, that resulted in use of force, so now the antis, up against about every bussiness selling anything one could be willing to buy and give away, can claim something about not allowed freedom of expression.

Now, it’s all nice and all, but do you think they would ever bother to make a case, to tell what hurts, let’s be reasonable, no more than a third of the illustrations and so seen everywhere in the shops could be considered as racial charicatures. Yes, for a whole bunch of reasonable reasons, to be summarized as shortage of blacks, the character is mostly impersonated by people in blackface (rather interesting is that there is a story connected with this about a black somebody, walking in the sunshine with a parasol, who becomes the victim of three young white racists, which are punished by Nicholas with an all body blackening).

Do you think those activists ever use their freedom of expression, to make sure that their, certainly justified,problems with the character can be understood by people who belong to a racial group which is so powerful that its members cannot be hurt by a charicature of their thin noses, lipless mouths and inhealthy paleness?

(My position is quite clear in the Pete issue, BTW.Pete has to stay, as a character he exists for at least 180 years, we cannot abolish him for being a black, or ask for that. Making a celebration conceptually “Negro Free” after nearly two centuries is unthinkable, everything else is fair game, if one has to leave for a period, it’s the bishop he’s been looking very pale for the last centuries.)

Guys like Randy will never get that just switching the word “black” and “white” completely erases the actual reality we live in–the history and current context in which society exists as white supremacy struggles to preserve itself. He thinks that the history of whites is exactly equal to the history of Blacks. He is not thinking honestly and not thinking critically. He wants to deny his own contribution to white supremacy, and he’s not going to be nice about it. So he talks down, and his attitude towards Blacks bleeds through. You are a racist because you help preserve the status quo with racist thinking, Randy. It’s not impossible to fix. It starts with honest self-assessment and putting aside defensiveness.

“Well, Matari, let’s consider it from the positive side, she is clueless, but she might be smart enough to be trying to get a clue and the clueless cannot get that from people who do not have a clue.”

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Actually Teddy, the Internet is RIFE with white folks who really have a clue.. and some even have more than a clue. They aren’t difficult to find at all if one uses a search engine or two. Unfortunately, in the U.S., those without a clue outnumber those with one by a huge margin. Perhaps as great as 95% to 5%.

It’s best, imo, that clueless white folks get their “clues” (written responses to their questions, point of views, etc.) from other white people, as the clueless’ sense of superiority/patriarchy (white racial frame) often GETS IN THE WAY of believing and accepting the testimonies of the people who are most affected by oppression and mistreatment – the victims of white supremacy themselves.

You probably know that LOTS of white people are welcome on this great blog. Those who get it, as well as those who are truly seeking to understand what POC are complaining about are patiently helped and accommodated by many here in all sorts of ways. I’d bet there’s also many white viewers that come here who never comment, yet they read and learn.

But the know-it-alls, and the ones who profess that racism doesn’t exist or some other ridiculous ideas – they are not as warmly greeted. If they set themselves up for ridicule and derision (as trolls are apt to do), they usually receive what they’re asking for.

As for what’s going on in the Netherlands regarding the Black Pete debate, I don’t know/understand enough about it to offer an opinion or comment.

“Black Woman: When you wake up in the morning and look in the mirror, what do you see?

White Woman: I see a woman

Black Woman: That’s precisely the problem, I see a black woman. To me race is visible every day ……. because race is how I am not privileged in our culture. Race is invisible to you, because it’s how you are privileged. It’s why there will always be differences in our experience.”
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Preach! POC in this country (USA) don’t have the luxury of just being a man, woman, girl or boy as whites do. The words are always preceded by adjectives….black, Asian, Mexican, etc. It’s one thing if a physical description of a person is necessary. Oftentimes it is not. It’s just a way to “other” people.

Guys like Randy will never get that just switching the word “black” and “white” completely erases the actual reality we live in–the history and current context in which society exists as white supremacy struggles to preserve itself.

Ben, you’re a breath of fresh air. I mean that. You believe that white people and black people should be treated differently and you’re open about that desire. That’s a start.

Now if someone can define exactly how each ethnicity of person should be treated, the justifications for that treatment, and how that treatment should evolve over time, then we can all have an honest and transparent debate about race. I, and a great many others, would welcome that opportunity.

What I object most to is the “back door” double-standards that many people and institutions hold. You can’t formally declare equality as a noble goal but at the same time implement or advocate for unequal policies (no matter how justified) without being, by definition, hypocritical.

Any +’s that black culture contributived is outweighed the the -.
1. Blacks are a drain on the USA’s social services. blacks are 30% of all welfare receipient
s out of a population of 14%. voice of the american middle class
2. Blacks are 43% of the prison population and 9 times more likely then a white man to commit a crime. pap blog human rights watch.
3. Black IQ 85 vs White IQ of 100. Average chinese IQ 106, this is our compitition. plenty of sites about IQ rates.
4. If you call Ebonics exciting then I will stick to my “boring English”.
5.22% of unwed births are from white mothers, 69% of unwed births are from black mothers. Black men raise your F#*king children. http://www.guttmacher.org.

If this is what a black america looks like I take my “boring” white culture any day.

1. America would no longer be the subject of the most relentless and enduring “hustles” known to mankind.

I love the Hustle!

2. The stark contrast between white degenerates and white Supremacists would be much starker.

I didn’t realize there was one. I thought they were one and the same! Thanks for edumacating me!

3. Most blacks will have gotten what they most silently desire, i.e., escape from white Supremacy.

I most silently desire winning the lottery, finding a rich man with a heart condition, and a Roots handbag(missed out on a fabulous sale).

4. America would be much more fundamentalist Christian.

Praise the lord and pass the dough!

6. America would be rid of a mutant strain of Islam.

You mean like the cartoons like Avengers, X-men etc?

7. America would be much less suspicious of herself.

Where’s the fun in that?

8. America would be free of a largely alienated minority with a hostile worldview and suspect values.

Oh, you mean those European descended folk?

You forgot #9:

9. Morons such as ThorDaddy and his ilk, would not be able to come to black authored blogs and type reams of garbage on Christmas day no less! Merry Christmas jo. Oh, and please refrain from typing your nonsense as I almost spat out a beverage onto the keyboard!

I agree with the posters that it would be more like Canada or Australia.

The thing that strikes an USA American who visits Canada or Australia is how similar it is to home. I was a bit surprised when I visited Australia. I was half expecting it to be a bit more like Britain, but it is much more like North America, esp. Canada.

But why more like Canada? Precisely because it is missing the historical and cultural contribution of African-Americans (and to a lesser extent, the contribution of Latino Americans). The European and Asian contribution are in many ways similar and the aboriginal contribution is also somewhat similar (ie, almost non-existent and has the legacy of genocide and disease).

So, in some ways, when I visit Brazil, I feel it has some things in common with the USA that are different from Canada or Australia, precisely the long history of African-European interaction.

Well, after some thought about that last comment, I’d like to add that I’m an octoroon (feel free to Google it).

And I’d add that you lot are the most gutless, pretentious ninnies I’ve seen this side of the nearest “Occupy” demonstration.

What is it with upper-middle-class white progressives and being endlessly and painfully ashamed of their skin color? I wouldn’t be able to tolerate a moment in your presence, and neither would my grandmother. She was a proud black woman. Worked in the City Hall for over forty years and passed away two years ago.

When this country dies, “lack of spine” will be among the most proximal causes of its demise.

If there were no blacks, America would obviously be a much better country in every way. Assuming we were all of European descent, we would be a kind of super-European community. Everything would be better.

Like how well the European markets are doing in Europe? How is lily white Iceland doing? Italy? France? All of these countries and all other European countries are in the hands of white men. Why are they failing? Is it because of all of those pesky Black people?

If Blacks didn’t exist in America, you would still be behind the established nations because you didn’t have free labor for the lazy Europeans who seemed to be adverse to good old fashioned hard work. Without Blacks in America, America wouldn’t be America. You need to ponder what good ole America would be without over 400 years of free work done by enslaved people. Take away all of the involuntary monetary contribution of slaves and what do you get?

Let me re-state your original statement:
If there were no EUROPEANS, America would obviously be a much better country in every way. Assuming we are all of Native American descent, we would be a kind of super-Native American community. Everything would be better.

If there were no blacks, America would obviously be a much better country in every way. Assuming we were all of European descent, we would be a kind of super-European community. Everything would be better.

If there were no blacks in America, you would have nothing to blame your own self esteem issues on. Plus…, you wouldn’t be able to come to blogs like this and post cretinous garbage, moron. In other words, you would have nothing better to do with your time!

Yes, that is ass-u-ming you are. You ought to go back to the history books before coming on here trying to be oh so controversial – colonialism played a significant part in the diverse and rich ethnic/racial mix in the US alone let alone the rest of the world. Thousands of years ago you could tell where in the world someone came from just by looking at certain physical features/attributes. Clearly not so now as, when a certain sexually depraved kind of man wanted to get his groove on, he did not discern between that of his own race and the indiginous populace, taking whatever and whomever he wanted, when he wanted it.

Bulanik, I find it fascinating that they call us subhuman, yet they never talk about their Neanderthal DNA.
It’s only a matter of time before they start finding previously unknown Neanderthal high culture. Complex mathematics. Sophisticated civilizations. IT will all suddenly be “found” overnight. LOL WE know what the deal is.

If there were no black people in America, America would not have been able to build the economy to compete with every other European nation. The fact that they were so dependent on cheap black labor meant that they were so crippled by the release from slavery that they went out of their way to impose slavery-like laws and conditions in order to keep that status quo. That’s why it was illegal for black people to be unemployed post-Civil War via the Black Codes but they were heavily disenfranchised. That is also why there was such a push to disenfranchise other people who couldn’t have the power to fight back (the poor and children in factories, women in sweatshops, etc.) in order to force them into that subservient role.

Now if we add the fact that Europe was so backwards by the time they encountered any person of color in a regular sense (which one would know if they took any basic religion or history course), it is unlikely they would have advanced at all if they had not opened their horizons to new and safer forms of medicine, as well as science and math (bathing is another example, all of Europe almost died because people just didn’t bath, once people started to do that, it began to make a difference. Another fact one would learn if they just cracked open a college history book)

It’s really nice, observing the best tag-team ensemble ever assembled in the blogosphere doing what they do best, making beautiful music on the heads and asses of racist idiots! Well done team!!! Keep up the excellent work.
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I am an admirer! Be they of the school of KMT, Hebrew Israelites, Muslim, Christian, ect. and speak the TRUTH, I love people who speak the truth. Some of what he says is a bit radical for my taste, but the foundation of TRUTH is there. There was a Youtube channel called “TheBlackChannel” that was so scathingly funny yet educated. Until it was taken down. Somehow, all the nazi, KKK, Aryan nation and other channels are still up.

I love this post! I completely agree. People always overlook…and in some cases never learned…how many African Americans built this country up economically and the credit always goes to the white population, they have invented things that make everyone’s lives easier and how the music industry would be quite lacking if they had not injected culture into it. I don’t want to imagine a life without POC.

* The lexicon would be more bland.
– so you are saying germanic lexicon is bland? isn’t that racist? By what definition it is bland? I could do without “pimpin” “babymamma” etc. in our lexicon!
* A lot of technologies and processes/procedures wouldn’t have been invented/developed.
– …what? You should thank germans for most technology!
* Basketball/Football wouldn’t be as fun to watch.
-fun? Whats so fun about it?
* No one would have ever seen or worn Afros or Dashikis.
-except in Afrika?
* There would be a lot less talented comedians.
-because WASPs have no sense of humor….
* White privilege wouldn’t exist.
-yes, it would. You are not the sole minority in US.
* Some other group would serve as the scapegoat to blame for America’s problems.
-Maybe USA would have less crime.
* Some other group would serve as the primary guinea pigs for secret experiments.
-look it as your donation to technologies and processes/procedures….
* The prison/criminal justice industrial complex wouldn’t be as profitable a capitalistic venture.
-yes, USA would have landed on Mars sooner when money is not wasted on prisoners.
* America wouldn’t have been able to finance NASA and space exploration.
-false. NASA was founded by looted german money and scientists.
* America wouldn’t have been able to invade countries like Vietnam, Iraq and Pakistan – and finance despots and corrupt regimes all over the globe thus potentially making the world a safer place.
-a good thing surely.

Why do you say USA would be thinny populated withouth African-Americans? African-Americans are only 14% or 15% of the country’s population, if you have 315,000,000 inhabbitants in USA, then you would still have 267,000,000 people left, without African-Americans.

Pizza has nothing to do with blacks either, Pizza came to America with the Italian immigrants, not with Africans.

This question is akin to asking what would China be like without cheap labour. It wouldn’t be a superpower right now period. The U.S. would not be half of what it is today if we take away the free labour it enjoyed for almost 250 years.

Trying to figure out how the U.S. would have been without blacks is simply impossible. The U.S. is what it is today because of its history, which has included blacks since day one.

Assessing the value of the black community in the U.S. today is much easier to accomplish. If all blacks were to leave the U.S. today, then country’s GDP would fall by 1.1 Trillion dollars.

Despite Abagond’s correct observation that racists view blacks as a “drag” on the economy, the fact is that blacks’ purchasing power over the last decade has increased faster than whites, and black businesses have increased at a higher rate than ALL other ethnic groups. One could easily argue that the black community is helping to fuel America’s economic growth over the past decade.

You’re clearly delusional and as are other negroes, basing all your knowledge on what pulls at the heart strings. The South lost the war BECAUSE their economy was backwards. England gave up slavery because it was an impediment to a growing and modern economy. Lincoln freed the slaves but he had no intentions of keeping them here. That’s the reason for Sierra Leone & Liberia, those are your homelands, and to put succinctly your promised “40 Acres and a Mule”.

The cheap labour isn’t American negroes. The cheap labour on farms and factories is overwhelmingly Hispanics, Asians and Easyern Europeans (previously). I know, because I worked as an engineer in a suit and fabric manufacturer during my summer holidays from College. I’ve also worked on farms as an underage farmhand. In Florida, California and the Midwest.

There are no American Negroes in any of these positions. They can collect less money from welfare and not bother with the hassle of working. The only blacks? I’ve seen working, are from the carribean or Africa, No Smericans!

What a horribly bias and uneducated (not to mention imaginative) point of view.

The people who discuss this topic are almost always referring to “today” ie what if this happened today, not a historical wipe. Butterfly wings and wishing on a star. You can’t SAY for sure what anything would be like, A black person invents something or their culture contributes something. It doesn’t mean a different person or their culture wouldn’t have invented the same thing (or something better) the very next day. (in fact almost all inventions are caused by an environmental need so it’s actually probable). Sure maybe music would be different, but that BY NO MEASURE, means it would be worse. Every time I see this topic the assumption is always that the US would be a horrible place devoid of anything original but that’s just one horribly biased opinion that’s a knee-jerk reaction to the other bias. “African Culture” is a fraction of the melting pot that makes up the US, and it’s one of the smallest at that.

The contributions (or lack thereof) of the past are fixed in stone, the problems of the present are all we can change, and when hear even the leaders in the black communities saying “we’re the problem, we need to act responsibly and stop perpetuating crime, violence and stupidity”. When affirmative action groups KILL themselves to re-spin the damning statistics and/or say they’re all based on a white conspiracy, I have to wonder what steps other disenfranchised minorities have taken to overcome that the black community can’t/won’t.

and as to the “black buying power” while growing it’s still a small fraction (as are the businesses), and it pales in comparison to the overall costs that crime and poverty bring to society, and that’s before you even try to put a cost on all the lives of the people murdered.

There are two distinct classes of black people in the US, there is a driven class who will educate themselves against the societal bias, and they contribute to society and are valuable members of such, and there is a class that has no remorse for the harm they inflict through violence, “mooching” or the perpetuation of violence, the easy way, and ignorance as a role model.

It’s unfortunate that the former is dwarfed by the latter, a large amount of the racism in the US is a byproduct of this condition alone.

The point of this argument is to acknowledge the importance of black people in U.S. history to the present. Many black people, especially the youth, are unfamiliar with the contributions, histories and other truths about blacks. Many of them walk around with a sense of emptiness and confusion.

Steve, the black community is not the problem. You think we are the problem because you believe we live in a just and fair society where inequalities do not exist. The truth is that this society is anything but.

There are still barriers black people face in everyday life from employment to education. Despite this, there are black people who do not succumb to the stereotype for which you appear to believe in. In fact most do not. However, there are those who are indeed struggling in society because of certain barriers that enforce institutionalized racism. This is where the crime and violence comes in.

Crime and violence is a staple in every society and it’s been dropping for years. Even so, every community is not immune to it, not even white communities as we’ve seen in Aurora, Colorado and Newtown, Connecticut – to name a couple. And as far as FBI numbers go, and I really don’t want to use them, most of the crime is committed by whites yearly.

Those two classes you mentioned exist in every group, including whites. But, there are reasons behind the violence and ignorance. America doesn’t want all of its people to be educated and have a chance to make six-figure incomes. They need people to drive cabs, clean bathrooms and wash dishes. Despite your narrow view of an entire population based on a few you may have met or known, black communities are not a broken monolith that “glorifies” violence and ignorance as a whole, and it’s not like this society is swimming in those problems. This country lives off of violence and ignorance, violence against poor people and people of color here and abroad, and keeps many people, especially the rich ones, ignorant to the truths about their world.

Also Steve, contrary to popular conservative talking points, MOST black people are not on Welfare or public assistance. And many who are actually have low paying jobs, and are just using public assistance to help make ends meet. Sure, there are still a percentage of people whoa use the system, but the idea that there is a large percentage of Black people sitting at home doing nothing, and collecting free money from White people is an arrogant fantasy of the White middle class.

Yes, the percentage of Blacks on public assistance is higher than for other ethnicities, but it is about 1/3rd of all Welfare cases, so 2/3rds of Welfare cases are non-Blacks. But also, consider that although Black people were always taxed at the sesame rates as Whites making the same income that for the majority of the history of the Welfare system Blacks were not elligible for public assistance.And, of course, I seem to recall quite a few generations of Blacks doing work for free down south, but we mustn’t bring that up… You see, for centuries in America, it has been YOU WHO HAVE BEEN THE TAKERS. Do you want to talk about violence? Ask the Native Americans who has been the most violent man to come to the Americas? Ask them also who have been the takers? You will not like tha answer, my friend. Ask the Chinese, who has perpetrated the most violence on them historically, who made them railroad slaves… who worked their forefathers to death. ask the Mexicans who are the takers of land and property.

So either everyone else is wrong and Whites are fair and hard working… Or else, Whites have lead a campaign of “manifest destiny” which entitled them to take other people’s land and property. Whites have used horrific violence and oppression against Native Americans, Blacks, Mexicans, and Chinese. And Whites have been using Blacks, Native Americans and Chinese, for free and underpaid labor for centuries.In fact, how long has it been since most of the people picking crops were White in this country? No my friend, it is Whites who have been the lazy, violent, takers.

You see, there are just some statistics that are never brought up in conservative talking points.

@Abagond
Exactly that is what my mother told me! Steve is just ignorant and racist.

@King and BrothaWolf
You guys are correct. Cosign. My mother works hard and tries to make it in life and she is a hard working Jamaican woman. She is not on welfare or food stamps.

@Steve
I don’t think I could ever reach out to you especially with a mindset like yours. You probably think that you are right hundred percent of the time and that your race, the White race is superior to other races especially the Black race.

You don’t know the struggle that Black people in America have to go through. Blacks in America go through institutionalized and internalized racism and we don’t have the privileges White Americans like you take for granted. Most Blacks aren’t on welfare, most people on welfare in America are Whites. It has been stastically proven that more Whites are on welfare than Blacks. If you can’t believe that, well maybe nothing can wake you up and realize that Black people are people too not just objects or property.

People like you really need Jesus and a blessing plus Sodahead is a perfect website for people like you to spew their ignorance, hatred and fear of anyone not White(minorities), not Christian and not a White, rich, male(females).

Black Americans help build this country. I’ll tell you what this country would be like without black people. It would be dull bland and boring. Plain as vanilla. tasteless, no spice. There would be nobody for whites to highjack and steal from. Everything from music to food to physical body characteristics.

An America without blacks, it would have mean that the Native population would have been force into slavery, that the Irish would have probably lost the race to be white. So would have Italian immigrants. America would have still have been a British colony. (I still wonder why we helped the Implanted.) You probably woul not have a President but a Prime Minister.

They would have had to have stolen more child labor as the Natives knew the land they would have needed a work force that the could totally control and decimate their culture. It would have taken a longer time to build up the capital to become a first nation. We might not have gotten Texas and since a lot of the west was a combination of Black, Native, and White cowhands that scenery would have looked quite different. The Civil War would have looked different you might have even had Britian giving direct support to the South. Slavery also gave a lot of European culture the dividing line. As the Amish had to decide if they were for or against slavery. No John Brown infamously standing against the tide. No romance with abolisionist which in some European countries the way they write reads more like romance than fight.

However, that probably would have manifested in the States trying to get some blacks from the Carribean and South America because they would have seen the benefits from the Sugar Cane industry and other slave base industries down there. Canada and Australia have land problems frost and dessert the States less so, so I don’t believe we would necessarily look like them.

I think the fight would be who should they grant free land to and still keep their cultural uniqueness. However, if you look at the history of who in power thought were acceptable you get a very small block of maybe English, German, and sometimes French and Dutch. In my opinion it would have been the Irish who suffered the most. It probably would have decimated Ireland. Wasn’t it Canada that just gave an apology for using Irish children up till the 1950’s? I think their plight would be more like Australian Irish.

America wouldn’t be what it is without us Blacks. America would have been a totally different country without us! We did help build America!
Sad to say but many if not most White Americans would be happy if Blacks and minorities weren’t in America right now.

I like this quote from Martin Luther King Jr. “By the time we leave for work, Americans have depended on the inventions from the minds of blacks. We have black inventors who contributed to many things we use today in everyday life. Black Americans have contributed many things to this society.

Yeah; if there were no black americans than the Irish, Italians, Finnish etc…..would still be thought of as non-whites.

Irish, Italians, and Finns are accepted as white in Australia so why wouldn’t they have been considered white in the US… ? For that matter, over 15% of the US population considers itself neither white nor black. (If the idea is that you need a group of “other” to consider the Irish, Italians, and Finns as white…)

Really, I think it would look a bit more like Canada, Australia, New Zealand, or any of the other majority Anglo countries that did not have a history of enslavement of blacks. In fact, when I went to Australia, I felt it was something like the USA without Blacks and Hispanics. Big cities are something like 90% white and 8-9% Asian.

I have not been to Idaho, Wyoming or North Dakota or Montana where you can travel all day and see few blacks or Latinos. I have been to Maine, Vermont and New Hampshire. Maybe it would be somehow more like those places.

Actually, Brazil feels more like the USA to me in some ways, like a portuguese speaking USA.

You guys are all right… Without white people you wouldn’t have food stamps and free housing that are paid for mostly by the white people you all so frantically try to break down. Who invented electricity, trains, plains, cars, FAMILY VALUES..how many black men stand up and are fathers to there children (be real), music with meaning, rather than about selling drugs and exploiting woman. We went to the moon, higher education, sports, the Olympics, came here and formed a Nation Under God, we came together to build an army to protect you and your ancestors, we fought each other to free the slaves that were sold to us by there own people…no one fought for my ancestors who were slaves, But that’s no big deal because they were white slaves right, so they didn’t suffer like black slaves…hahaha that’s some bullshit? We stand for what is right in this country, period! I’m so sick of everyone trying to down grade my WHITE heritage and all the amazing things we have accomplished. As far as having less opportunity than white…NOT TRUE! Black people have the upper hand on all levels…free government housing, food stamps, cash assistance, free daycare, healthcare, etc, white paid tax money is predominately sent to black school rather than white schools, most colleges are in predominately black cities, scholarships are more readily available. Every part of black culture has been created by the white culture…if you want to see how COOL black people are than look to Africa where they actually do have there own culture, own inventions, own foods, own music (which is mostly dancing and yelling in circles with face paint around a fire, NOTE: most musical instruments where created by …oh my God the boring white people), own family values which are none, etc..Time to be real people, especially pathetic white people who don’t stand up and learn YOUR own amazing history and be proud of it. Time to take a stand. …oh, and any one who wants to call me a racist is a dumbass and scared of the truth. Every race can say what they want in regards to there own race, but when a white person stands up and says it like it is than there a racist. It’s disgusting! Enough is enough people, time to get real and stop following what we are told to think.

pretty stupid for the guy claiming aryans are iranians when they are hindus .shows white people know NOTHING! rigveda is the oldest history in the sanskrit and mentions nothing about a outside invasion . whites are not aryan and neither are iranians aryan means noble and the swastika is indias creation. whites have only been in north america for 500 years illegally and should go back to europe. and whites have only been in the world for 6000 years.may all the white trash get wiped out as you are not superior but inferior race which used guns and venereal diseases exploiting land committing immoralities everywhere and were not the first people for education as india was the first university in the world takshashila university located north west region same with laws of gravity it wasnt isaac newton but it was bhaskaracharya 1200 years before newton REDISCOVERED IT..whites have melanoma and otherhealth complications and must be avoided .they have a recessive genetically weak defect of genes.thatsn why they have osteoporosis and cancer breast cancer ovarian cancer herpes small pox syphillis.and whites are mellanin deficient.stupid and land thieves.as well white killed jesus.christianity wasnt even around as long as hinduism has been around for thousands and thousands of years before that white people are stupid will get boycotted and nobody will hire them.

whites invented racism color bars in britain ,jim crows law,segragation aparthied in south africa which is african black country,whites invented imperialism,colonialism,fascism,classism,sexism.atomic bombed hiroshima and nagasaki causing near genocide for japan as well raped natives and killed them with deceit betrayal guns and diseases.whites invaded india in 1849 with the east india company and bloodshed east indians and stole their kohinoor diamonds and crystal throne huma bird artifacts and golden crown as whites stole from african mines their gold.whites colonized 90% of the globe and now are declining.whites are the most xenophobic bigots on the planet causing destruction everywhere they go on earth.whites also during the qings dynasty forced and humilliated china to sign unequal treaty .whites call other countries third world sh holes but are responsible for the famine and destruction of infrastructure as well leaving the countries in political instabillitys

whites invented and created the aids virus to kill black population with the white scientist ROBERT GALLO.!whites have also meddled in afghanistan and iraq as well libya and something needs to be done .whites need to be genocided.

Rofl. Actually I was thinking about moving to Africa, in case u didn’t notice amerikkka is going down. why else would they be sending jobs overseas if they are trying to fix the economy? because they not, they are moving their stuff somewhere else because they know sheit is about to go down and don’t want to lose their money. Why do u think they are building bunkers and storing food overseas, and keep eggin iran on. enjoy ur sinking ship.

No Michael Jackson, Stevie Wonder, Aretha Franklin, Whitney Houston Motown , Duke Ellington, Ella Fitzgerald and other greats to copy and emulate and no Jazz, Rock and Roll, Blues and R&B/rap culture for the British and white Americans to coopt!

Or, at the very least, no impoverished Black people that you can conveniently shunt off to your ghettos, and then conveniently forget about …especially seeing as how neither the word “ghetto” nor the concept of one have anything to do with Black people.

If,as so many have stated, the country would have been lacking in so many areas without negros, when did all these fine contributions cease? During my lifetime, about 70 years, I have seen the demise of many of our great cities, increase in crime, decrease in education, inspite of vast amounts of money spent. The problems of Detroit, Atlanta, Birmingham, Rochester, Camden,
Newark, etc. ad nausium are the black legacy.

Less murder, less rape, less stupidity, less drug addiction, less child abuse, less racism, less obesity, less diabetes, less guns, less urban decay. Canada and Australia are both far superior countries to the US in terms of living standards and quality of people. One of those countries is known for it’s politeness, while the other was made up of criminals and now has a far lower murder rate and is generally a much safer and more friendly place than the US.

Nope. While blacks have problems, I think they become the escape goat for white problems.

njtrapper

“The problems of Detroit, Atlanta, Birmingham, Rochester, Camden,
Newark, etc. ad nausium are the black legacy.”—Actually the “problems” seems to be the only focus of people, while they ignore the progress.

This has nothing to do with cultural/ethnic makeup. It’s because we have proper social safety nets. Universal health care, good quality public education create greater social mobility and break down class barriers – although our current (right wing) government is trying to change some of that now.

You’re not hearing this in the USA because your greedy companies and politicians don’t want to create an egalitarian society.

@Sharina,
The USA is the only one of the top 20 industrialized countries that does not have a government supported single payor system. Every country in the past 20 years that has established a health care system looked at the US system and categorically rejected it.

In other industrialized countries, health care is seen as a social public good, like education, fire protection, public security, etc.

Sorry, but I would have to look up links if you really need them.

It is possible if the Affordable Care Act survives, it could eventually become a single payor system subsidized by the govt, esp. if employers continue to drop health coverage for employees, forcing them to join the safety net system.

@wordynerdygirl,
How about the psychological need that many Americans (esp. whites) feel re: owning guns to protect oneself against theoretical bad guys (which are branded as black male brutes). I don’t think Australians have this pathology.

Sure, that would probably have a lot to do with it too. I think I’ve discussed elsewhere about how our change in gun laws back in 1998 dramatically lowered the overall homicide rate as well as basically getting rid of mass shootings altogether.

The change in laws probably led to a change in culture. I’ve never met another Australian, for instance, who believes that guns would make us safer.

But then I think US gun culture has always been more deeply entrenched given it’s in your Constitution etc.

Ironically, the amendment about gun ownership in the Constitution was written by white men who used guns to wipe out natives and to keep black slaves under control, yet we’re supposed to believe that gun violence is a “black” thing.

My uncle’s family is super pro-gun. They’re your exemplary red, white, and blue, gun toting, white American hicks. My uncle’s father once showed me his enormous gun collection and wanted to teach me how to use them. He even tried to encourage me and other family members to keep guns in our homes. The wisdom goes that the man of the house should be able to protect his house and family from intruders by using firearms. I don’t know who exactly they’re protecting themselves against but I do know my white uncle’s family does not like blacks very much. Hmmm… I wonder.

Another irony is that despite white American fanaticism over guns being a way to protect themselves against (black) criminals, my uncle’s father nearly killed himself and his family members on multiple occasions due to accidental discharges. White people are their own worst nightmare.

Look, I don’t agree with what you are saying. I do think you are stepping into the realm of typifying all white people as violent, ignorant ‘hicks’ who want to be armed to the teeth so that they can terrorise others.

I think there is a tendency here – often with good reason – to trace every global trend, political conflict or dispute back to white people and racism. But I don’t believe this is always the case. I think it’s one of the most important paradigms or lenses with which you can view history but not the only one.

My earlier comment was trying to point out that the class issues are another valid lens through which you could examine the differences between USA/Australian society. Of course I was also trying to respond to ridiculous comments of Jake et al.

Would it make you feel more comfortable if people use the term “many American whites” instead of just “whites” so that we know that it is not referring to all whites, esp. those outside of the USA? I don’t see where anyone was attributing all global problems to whites or white racism.

I would assume that if someone made a statement that is relating whites to the 2nd amendment (of the US Constitution) that it is not referring to all whites around the world, and not necessarily even to all whites in the USA for that matter.

BTW, in my last statement, the word “white” did not even appear at all. In the prior one, I was referrring to Americans, not necessarily whites.

Even Kiwi, in his statement, he was referring to the stereotype of a white American hick. He was not referring to all whites, all white Americans or implying that (all, or even many) whites are hicks. I am not sure how you extrapolated that to all whites.

Is there something that I missed above that would cause someone to think that way? I am trying to understand how this extrapolation process works.

I was referring to Kiwi’s comments. And what I think Kiwi does quite often is extrapolate his personal experiences with his uncle to all white people.

You’re an intelligent guy. You know that when someone delivers a statement like ‘white people x___’ of course that implies that it applies to white people as a whole, just as if I said ‘Asian people x__’ you would quite rightly interpret that as a generalisation or stereotype about Asian people as a whole.

Sorry to bust your bubble but your link does not disprove what he said. It only shows a group of blacks that decided to use or carry guns for protection. If you look carefully at what Kiwi said he stated Majority. Majority does not mean all. I think sometimes people forget that 200,000 people is not the majority of a said population when they are about 8 million or more.

With that being said, it is just too easy for people to confuse what the majority of the black community does or thinks simply because they focus and look for sources that focuses on what a part of the group does.

Are you suffering from a lack of reading comprehension?
And are you Jefe’s answer person?
Where did I state or infer the word “all” as in all Blacks?
Jefe used the words “overwhelming majority.” I used nothing to imply any number. I simply provided a link to state that Blacks had a logical and historical interest in firearm ownership. If it weren’t for Blacks with and able to use guns like the Black Panthers, Malcolm X and others the present reality in America would likely have fewer Black people living in the nation.

I only provided one link to make my point. There are others. By the way since you are speaking up for Jefe I’ll ask you where’s his/her link to support his/her assertion that the majority of Black Americans are adverse to gun ownership?

As for gun violence, that is a moot point as most sane people are adverse to any violence that is avoidable. However I believe that stating the majority of Black Americans are adverse to gun ownership without some type of evidence is definitively irresponsible. Firearms are equalizers. Guns and the threat of wrongdoers being shot have probably saved more lives than many people realize.

Black people have a lower IQ than all other races but they have more Free testosterone than all others. This can be useful when harnessed in a positive way because it leads to higher self esteem and less anxiety generally. Unfortunately it also often leads to aggressive and very anti social behavior by the disenfranchised Negro populace.

“Are you suffering from a lack of reading comprehension?”—Projection can be a motherf*cker.

“And are you Jefe’s answer person?”—Nope, but in a public forum you can answer to anyone you choose. If that bothers you then avoid public forums.

“Where did I state or infer the word “all” as in all Blacks?”—Where did I say you did. If I am not mistaken I said “Majority does not mean all.” I am still looking for the part that said you said it.

““overwhelming majority.” I used nothing to imply any number. “—And what part of my post said you used anything to imply a number? Apparently since you felt the need to provide it you felt the need to challenge his “Overwhelming majority” comment. That is basically where my comment comes in.

“I only provided one link to make my point. There are others. By the way since you are speaking up for Jefe I’ll ask you where’s his/her link to support his/her assertion that the majority of Black Americans are adverse to gun ownership?”—I am not speaking for Jefe. I’m speaking for myself and what I found suspect in your post. As such I think it be made clear that I never asked you for a link to prove or disprove anything. You provided it and as such I am free to challenge it as I see fit. My point to it is that it does not disprove Jefe at all as it would first have to take into account what is considered the majority. If the post is saying 200,000 blacks are pro guns (and this is an example similar to the one used above) and the population of blacks are 8 million, then it does not overthrow that the majority are against guns.

For a site with an intellectual owner in possession of good sense, there are a plethora of commenters here who lean a lot on bets, innuendo, make believe and cuss words instead of solid facts.
Clearly I can see now how absurd it is in dialoging with a self-appointed junk-yard dog defender of the inane that prefers to let her residual amount of testosterone overcome her levels of estrogen. That’s assuming you Sharina are a female?
My point is already made here. I believe most people with reasonable mental processes would know that the majority of Black Americans aren’t as dim witted as some might “bet” they are. Being unarmed in the midst of overt racist elements would not bode well for this imaginary majority of Black Americans who are supposedly adverse to owning firearms – thereby not protecting themselves if need be with guns.

Since betting seems to be a legitimate offering here allow me to add my own.
I’d bet most females don’t sling cuss words as quickly as you “motherf*cker” and I’d bet (or hope) that most others aren’t as sluggish in their thinking as Jefe. Lastly I’d bet on the pointlessness in engaging people who make silly bets based upon their imaginations gone awry.

“Clearly I can see now how absurd it is in dialoging with a self-appointed junk-yard dog defender of the inane that prefers to let her residual amount of testosterone overcome her levels of estrogen. That’s assuming you Sharina are a female?”—Actually I was quite calm in what I said. It seems that you are upset by what I said and what I pointed out. Which clearly is supported by your excessive need of name calling. This says more about you than me, but regardless of that this name calling seems to be a way of you to deflect from the fact that is still does not disprove jefe. It requires facts to disprove someone and your link doesn’t fully do that. Simple. 🙂

“My point is already made here. I believe most people with reasonable mental processes would know that the majority of Black Americans aren’t as dim witted as some might “bet” they are.”—No one said anything about blacks being dim witted just because the majority may or may not be adverse to guns. The point being is that just because a group carried guns does not make that group the majority. My comment was as simple as that. You may have had a point, but regardless of your point it does not change or disprove jefe. This is regardless of whether you like it or not.

“Since betting seems to be a legitimate offering here allow me to add my own.”—I never said betting was, but if you are looking to challenge and disprove someone you are going to need more than an article that gives you a group of blacks that carried guns when disputing someone claiming the majority.

“I’d bet most females don’t sling cuss words as quickly as you “motherf*cker” —Cuss words imply I say more than one and the one you quoted is the only one. Besides your need to attempt to insult me just doesn’t. If anything I find it sad and a bit pathetic, but hey that is me. Besides it is not discrediting me and considering the amount of contribution jefe has made I highly doubt it will discredit him either.

I got it from sources quoted in “Bowling for Columbine”, which stated that it has been whites (in the US) that have played a larger role in promoting firearms. They stated that blacks, by and large, have shown to be more adverse about the promotion of firearms (compared to whites).
(https://abagond.wordpress.com/2012/12/19/bowling-for-columbine/)

Delusional. America would be like Canada. better in nearly every single way.

Argue whichever way you like but their is no counter debate regarding the potential for a better place due to getting rid of a species that is responsible for almost 70% of all violent crime yet makes up less than 20% of the population. (FBI statistic)

They’re so pro Africa, let them explain why they’re still robbing, raping, killing, and living in mud huts over there. Feel free to head on back instead of taking advantage of everything the human beings have provided.

They’ve already bred us into a minority in public schools, soon a minority in general. Say hello to our WET (white entertainment channel) and benefits due to being a minority. Too dumb to see they fornicated that card right out of their own hands. (As if it was a relevant card anyhow) to this day they still think we owe them something.

Learn how to work for what you have, dress like a human, and speak your native language properly first. Try to stop attacking humans too. A few generations of that and you may lose some of that stigma.

Until then, to my black friends (who agree with me) and those of you who are the exception… Instead of being bitter, ostracize the scum. You want unity between our species – prove it.

That is surprising to hear. According to our resident race realists, blacks are a separate subspecies of human, not an entirely different species. I would like to see them debate with you on whether blacks are a subspecies or distinct species, but I have a feeling that neither of you would truly be interested. After all, both of you simply hate blacks. The species/subspecies thing is just a gimmick.

“Argue whichever way you like but their [there] is no counter debate regarding the potential for a better place due to getting rid of species that is responsible for about 70% of all violent crime yet make up less than 20% of the population.”

First, the jokers who call themselves “race realists” are nothing but tired white supremacists. Secondly, they use coded words to excuse their racism. I’m fully aware of their bullshit game.

@ sharinalr

“Why do all these race realists bring up Africa or black friends. Neither of which they have or know about.”

Africa is only brought up to offend blacks who don’t know anything about Africa except for what the media or movie industry gives them, which is pure negativity.

Surprisingly, lots of white supremacists have black friends. These black friends aren’t like you and I. They’re the token negro type. The so-called friendship of a white supremacist and black person is no different than the one that existed on the slave plantation 200 years ago – meaning that one is superior and the other is inferior. Of course, to any white supremacist the inferior one (in the so-called friendship) is the black person.

A white supremacist’s view of Africa is this:

It’s never in this light:

White supremacists pick their battles. Their job is to downplay African or black people at every cost.

For example, the white supremacist will downplay the livelihood of Africans by showing images like this:

But NEVER will the white supremacist speak on the poor living conditions of some white people in Eastern Europe:

Ahhh, one can only dream, yeah sports and rap would suffer but their contributions to society these days is minimal. They are a leech to sustained growth and prosperity and outside of holding government jobs they are a huge part of the 82.5 million Americans not working for a living. TRUTH for you lilly white self hating morons.

Since you think Blacks have contributed so little to the US, then presumably you do not oppose reparations – backpay with interest to the families which have provided the US with hundreds of years of slave labour.

I assume your last two pictures depict Roma on the Balkans. Are they considered “white” in the US? They certainly aren’t in Europe (on the Balkans itself they are literally called “black”) and whenever Roma are discussed here pictures like these are shown.

I don’t understand what you are saying. The people in your first picture look like lower-class white people, the second has to few clues to place. Michael Cooper’s pictures imply Roma (the huts and the cloth of the girl in the first picture.

I’m really tired of the speculation that “blacks built America”. Are the so-called intellectuals here trying to say that if black slaves had never been shipped here (by their own people, which black apologists choose to forget), that this country would be a vast wasteland? Hmmmm….. seems like there were plenty of hard working Irish, German, and other groups of immigrants that came here and made tremendous contributions to American infrastructure. I’m not saying that blacks did not contribute, nor am I saying blacks are bad and that we would have been better off without them, so don’t start hurling the “you are a racist” epithets around. There is no doubt, however, that blacks over the past 5 decades have failed their own people, a reality that their community refuses to face. Blacks have failed to take responsibility for their own people, have not taught their children about respect and dignity, have not emphasized education, and have not modeled social mores geared towards black men actually sticking around to be fathers. This black wringing of hands and “blame-ism” gets very tiresome.

Just wondering. Did you think that there might be some truth to the Bootstrap Myth and the Model Minority Stereotype, ie, if blacks only learned to correct their behavior, then they could join the prior generations of European immigrants and current generations of Asians (whether Immigrant or multi-generational descendant of 19th century immigrants) in their pursuit of the “American Dream”?

I do agree that, if Africans had not been shipped to America as slaves, probably something else would have taken their place, probably Asian coolies.

Most black intellectuals do not deny the hand that Africans had in them being here, but the dynamic of what it meant in the Americas is what made it different.

As to everything else you said about blacks they fall in line with what the minority of the black population has failed to do. So you want to punish the average black person for the attitudes of the minority because ? Is it easier for you? Does it make you feel better about yourself? Hmmmm

I think Mexico is too close to the US south – It might have had the effect of spreading Mexico there (ie, expanding Mexico east thru Texas to Louisiana and Mississippi) instead of creating a servant underclass.

I say Asian coolies because the British empire did that very thing. They did not import Mexicans to Guyana (British Guinea), to Peru, to Trinidad. They imported Asian Coolies.

Even in Asia, they imported Indians and Chinese to Malaysia for cheap labour. They did not import Africans or persons form neighboring Asian countries to any significant extent. (Malaysia is still importing cheap labour from Asia today.)

The US empire did import Asian coolies to Hawaii and the Western States and even to the plantations in the Deep South. In fact, it became easier to import Asians than Africans. There are probably several reasons for that, eg,
– importation of African slaves in the USA was officially banned in the early 19th century.
– It was easier to ship Asians across the Pacific once Anglo Americans took over the west coast and Hawaii. (But the Suez Canal made it easier to ship Asians after 1869 to the Atlantic and Gulf of Mexico).
– Black slaves already in the USA were technically property, and therefore expensive. It was easier to trick Asians to come over for low or no wages to do the dirty work for whites in the regions of the country that were not slave states or did not already have large numbers of black slaves.
– Asian coolies were used across the Americas, including the USA, as a supplement or replacement for African slaves.
– Asian coolies were still shipped in by the USA even after the Exclusion acts took effect to build infrastructure projects such as the Panama Canal. –> They did not use Mexicans.

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I made an error – it was the Spanish who imported the Asian coolies to Peru. It doesn’t change the argument.

Anyhow, you can see the arguments used today of telling blacks to go back to Africa, of telling Asians to go back to Asia. One advantage is using Asians or Africans is that their “homelands” are further away. But it doesn’t work as well to tell Mexicans just to go back to Mexico — it seems that Mexico has been migrating back to its former self and may form a culturally hybrid society in the South and West.

Yet whites cannot and will not allow us to exiat freely of them, Professor Griss stated it best that whites have attached themselves to blacks and suck our energy like vampires , we cannot focus on ourselves until we extricate white from our existence, Ihave never met a white person who is not completely committed to using and exploiting black people.

@ Jose-Alvarez Gonzalez or whatever ur name is absentee fathers are not exclusive to blacks how many whites are selling their kids into sex trafficking? How come ur not outraged by that? There is a gentlemen speaking on the westminster paedophle ring who is claiming he was sold to them by his own father, how prolific is this behavior amongst u “pristine” whites? What about the white man who was making videos of his kids having sex with dogs? Would u like me to post the link for u? How many white women have been found living in filth with their aborted fetuses laying about in various states of decomposition? I mean r u serious and if Black people did not “build America” we bult most of it.

Wow! That’s exactly what the Native Americans say about White people – except the wording is a little different. The Native Americans say “They (Whites) are responsible for the wolves share of crime.” “They (Whites) have contributed nothing peaceful in the so-called New World.” “They (Whites) are ungrateful for the landmass they’ve stolen and expect more.” “They’re so proud to be White, send them back to the so-called continent called Europe and see how the live by the religions which is what they’d have if weren’t for non-Europeans.”

“I assume your last two pictures depict Roma on the Balkans.” “They certainly aren’t [White] in Europe and whenever Roma are discussed here pictures like these are shown.”

Yeah right! LOL!! The same thing was said about Sicilians and the Irish a hundred years ago. Only when it’s convenient that all Whites become part of the “club”. White people are something else (yes, I’m LMAO).

Without blacks America would have approx 57% less crime, & less AIDS/ HIV, approx 70% fewer “people” in jails and there would be far less people on government assistance. Giving up football & music all together would still be worth it with out question. And as far as blacks inventing things!!! What have they invented that we can’t live without????? I’m sure getting rid of above stated quality of life issues far out way any thing blacks have invented.

I don’t know what America would be like without blacks, but if America was my life and I didn’t have black people in it, I would be pretty sad without them. As I have stated in some posts, I have black relatives through marriage and half black cousins. One of my mom’s good friends is a sweet, beautiful, black woman who I’ve known since I was a baby. She is like a second mother to me since my mom passed away. I just can’t imagine my life without black people. They are people I love and admire.

Without blacks who would drive through my neighborhood at three in the morning with their music blasting. Who would let their violent undisciplined dogs run wild all day. Who would bring their violent undisciplined children and other family members to get drunk and and walk the streets in the middle of the night tearing up anything they can get their hands on. Who would try so hard to turn the entire nation into one giant Detroit. I did not realize at first that this was a black site and i think you deserve to have things like this and i will not be coming back but i want you to know that you are responsible for so much more of the negative in this country and world than the positive. Please leave Europe at least and try to leave the U.S. You have a gigantic continent all for yourselves. Soon your savage bigot cousins will have eliminated all whites in South Africa and you will really control all of sub-Saharan Africa. Europe and the U.S. are not for you. The cops are going to keep killing you and eventually it will really be an all out war that you have no chance of winning. I know you think you are tough and smart but really people just feed your ego because they feel sorry for you. You are the lowest form of humanity. Maybe an argument could be made that some Eskimos or other indigenous peoples are lower but of all the major races (Asian, White, Black, Hispanic, Arab) you are the lowest and the most hated. Heads up, i would look out for china because if you think we hate and exploit you they are gonna warp your universe.

Wow.What a load of crap.America society without blacks would be just fine,in fact would be better than it is now.One thing is for sure: without blacks, there would be less crime.Europeans would still have great music without blacks..American music styles attributed to blacks was just modifications of European styles of music.Same with dance.

Europeans have many styles of dance,from the elegant to the provocative.Europe has produced some of the greatest art,music,dance,and other art-forms the world has ever seen.Blacks in Africa don;t come close.As for technology: most technology was invented by whites.Most inventions of any value were invented by whites.

I’m sure black people would love to believe that America would be worse off without blacks, but the reality is that America would be better off. Black people need white people, but white people don’t need black people.Whites have done just fine throughout history without blacks.However, blacks have only been able to achieve anything by living in white societies.Not only that, but some high achieving blacks aren’t even fully black.Most high achieving people who are considered black are actually bi-racial or 1/4 black,Some are just 1/8 black.So they’re not really black at all.

Yes, but you do. You need something or someone to hate and look down on in order to make you capable of spewing these white supremacist canards. Else how would you be able to masturbate without these fantasies of yours?

America without Blacks would be like any other country without Blacks, safe, prosperous, cohesive and looking forward to a great future. America with Blacks is like every other country with significant numbers of Blacks, crime ridden, poverty stricken and falling into despair.
There is not ONE country with a significant Black population that is any of the above. Africa is a complete disaster as is every country in the Caribbean and South America. Haiti, is the poster child for what a Black population can do to the most prosperous country in the Caribbean when it was taken over by Blacks.
I feel sorry for Blacks because it is all in their genes and their culture. Only when Blacks dump their African tribal mentality (never) will Blacks make any country want them in any numbers. (Tokens are fine but any more than that and it destroys the country)

America without Blacks would be like any other country without Blacks, safe, prosperous, cohesive and looking forward to a great future. America with Blacks is like every other country with significant numbers of Blacks, crime ridden, poverty stricken and falling into despair

If that were the case, we’d expect Whites to flee America in order to live in countries with very few Blacks, like those in Eastern Europe. Instead, we see the exact opposite happening: Whites fleeing Eastern Europe to live in America, which has a lot of Blacks…

“America with Blacks is like every other country with significant numbers of Blacks, crime ridden, poverty stricken and falling into despair.”

Really??? How about Bermuda? It’s been majority Black for over a century.

“The racial makeup of Bermuda as recorded by the 2010 census, was 54% black, 31% white, 8% multiracial, 4% Asian, and 4% other races” Wiki

“Bermuda’s economy is based on offshore insurance and reinsurance, and tourism, the two largest economic sectors. Bermuda had one of the world’s highest GDP per capita for most of the 20th century.” Wiki

I feel sorry for whites because it is all in their genes and their culture. Only when whites dump their Imperial tribal mentality (never) will whites make any country want them in any numbers. (Soldiers are fine but any more than that and it destroys the country)

Name me one country that would welcome an American military occupation.

Without Blacks there would be LESS CRIME,.There would be LESS TAXES,.and there wouldn’t NO AIDS,.Wow,.Really missing out on allot ! In fact,.The last 5,000 yrs, black people have basically had no impact on the political and technological advances of mankind in anyway,.Unless you talk about a pencil sharpener or traffic light,..Ummm,.Damn it would have been millions of yrs before white people would have invented those! Goodness gracious

“Without Blacks there would be LESS CRIME,.”—With the current standing of crime that would not be true. Whites have a pretty high crime rate themselves. Unless you are suggesting blacks make them commit crime.

“There would be LESS TAXES,.and there wouldn’t NO AIDS,.Wow,.Really missing out on allot !”—I doubt the less taxes part for many reasons but one of the first accounts of Aids in North America was Gaëtan Dugas. Guess what? He ain’t black.

“The last 5,000 yrs, black people have basically had no impact on the political and technological advances of mankind in anyway,.”—Blacks were not allowed to even vote until 1965 (and were hindered for a while afterwards) so of course they would not. You can thank whites for that. As to technological advances I have a patent list that will shock you on how much whites happily use with no idea that a black man invented.

Part of why they are so low in the US is because Reagan and others appealed to anti-Black racism to cut things like welfare, pretty much anything that helped the poor (who are seen as being mainly Black in Republican mythology even though they are not). Republicans used the Southern Strategy to divide the working class by race, getting many Whites to vote against their class interest. That allowed huge tax cuts for the rich, among other things.

I am a Canadian married to an American and we lived in NC for a while before I couldn’t stand it anymore and we moved to Canada.

There is a small percentage of Blacks in Canada and they are always using the race/slavery card every time there’s a shooting or shootout in the streets and one of them gets killed by a cop, but never when its black on black, then its poverty and racism and so forth. It amazes me because only a handful of blacks were slaves. Blacks are @ 3% of the Canadian population, 70% came over in the past 60 years the remaining can trace back to land owners that came over free and were free. The rest were runaway slaves from the US that came here to be free, and they were and continue to be. But every time something happens they play the race card and I am sick and tired of hearing about it.

I don’t care about the color of your skin but I get sick and tired of excuses for people’s bad behaviour. Where is self accountability and responsibility for your own actions or inactions. Dropping out of school will get you nowhere. Living off the system is a dead end road to nowhere. Gangs are not families and you end up dead or in jail. Common sense. You see other people in nice homes, cars and instead of working your asses off you just feel entitled to steal it, scam whatever. Really!

Blacks who have recently immigrated to the US from Africa can’t even relate to African Americans. What does that say, are they racists too. They don’t understand how African Americans are still blaming slavery, or why in a land with so many opportunities they don’t want to go to school, work or anything.

As for how America would be today without blacks, well there would be some blacks and they would have come over free and their culture would have contributed to America just like everyone else has.

There wouldn’t have been a Civil War because the issues of slavery would not have been there. As a result the tensions and animosity that still reside in the South also wouldn’t exist. There probably would have been more people who came over under indentured servitude to do a lot of the labor.

Many people think Blacks were the only ones who built the nation on their backs. Early settlers worked the land with just their families or even alone and worked their farms living in one room homes. Hard back breaking work. How about those who settled the west. Leaving their homeland with nothing but the possessions they had, many dying on the way.

The only people who owned slaves were the very rich. In adjusted dollars it would cost someone over $300,000.00 to buy a slave today, if it still existed. Could the average person afford one, no!

As for America today without blacks, yes it would look more like Canada and Australia. Two countries made up of many similar cultures and a few exotic. It would not be dull. All of the great technological advancements would still exist. Remember electricity was by Tesla and Edison, both westerners. The telephone, another westerner. I say westerner because that is what made up the bulk of our countries and what non-westerners call us. It is where our culture and heritage comes from. Innovators and thinkers. But, again there would be blacks. Blacks who wanted a better life and contributed to the great American dream. They would not be whiners.

Now I don’t know why anyone would think life in America would be dull and boring. It would be different, and to say without blacks adding to the culture is what makes things so great is to insult every other American, their heritage and the culture they brought to the country. Different doesn’t mean worse, boring of whatever. Those of us who work hard all day and sometimes longer may not have the opportunity to hang around the streets all day, sitting on stoops listening to rap music all day. Rap, there would be no rap!! That’s enough reason to wish there was never any slavery. I am so sick and tired of seeing kids listening to this violent, misogynistic, gangster music.

There might not be as much violence or racism. I don’t believe Americans would find another group to blame for everything.

America would have a smaller population and as a result would not be embroiled in so much global conflict.

Finally, before blacks complain about slavery, yet again, just remember slavery existed in Africa before, during and after slavery was abolished in the America and the western world. Today millions are slaves, men, women, children throughout Africa, Asia and the Middle East. Try contributing some of your energy to stomping out slavery in the rest of the world, starting with your ancestral home. Stop whining about something that happened and ended over 150 years ago.

“It amazes me because only a handful of blacks were slaves.”—Based on your calculations that does not equal a handful.

African and African Americans have issues for a lot of reasons. Try reading an African blog. A great deal of it has to do with the stereotypes that each group is subjected to and then attempt to subject to each other. Africans think black Americans are all ghetto and non-educated, but are shocked to find most black Americans are middle class. Black Americans believe Africans are backwards and live in huts. Black Americans are shocked to find they live quite nicely. I could go on but I will stop there.

“As for how America would be today without blacks, well there would be some blacks and they would have come over free and their culture would have contributed to America just like everyone else has.”—Not sure what you know about history, but that is actually the way it so happens to be now. Some blacks came over free and many contributed to the growth of America.

“There wouldn’t have been a Civil War because the issues of slavery would not have been there.”—Wrong. Indian as well as other groups were still slaves.

“ll of the great technological advancements would still exist. Remember electricity was by Tesla and Edison, both westerners. The telephone, another westerner.”—-And a great deal of technological advancements would not exist. You would be shocked how much blacks contributed.

“Those of us who work hard all day and sometimes longer may not have the opportunity to hang around the streets all day, sitting on stoops listening to rap music all day”—Rap would likely still be around. As you can clearly see it is in every country today. Also black middle class or working class is a reality. If they were sitting around all day then those groups would not exist.

“America would have a smaller population and as a result would not be embroiled in so much global conflict.”—Doubt it. American will always want what another country has.

“Finally, before blacks complain about slavery, yet again, just remember slavery existed in Africa before, during and after slavery was abolished in the America and the western world.”—Isn’t it odd you brought up slavery and not one black person? Though colonization and slavery are not necessarily the same thing.Perhaps you should do better research. Slavery still exists, but in a different form even in America.

“Work hard and prove people wrong.”—Been doing that for years. You have to find a new excuse.

LOL at this “Truth” character, yeah if it’s just white people things would be great! Just like how it was in Europe…oh wait. Racist to a slapstick cartoon level. Delicious! Hopefully someone’s paying him/her for this buffoonery.

This article is a fascinating thought exercise. An equally interesting thought exercise is what America would be if the current Black population were “Katrina-ed” (forced into foreign exile).

The Euro-American population would explode in a month long orgy of celebration: complete with bonfires, drinking, drugs and carousing. They would loot or take over the homes and possessions of the exiled African-Americans. The world would seem a very rosy place…until reality set in.

While the average White Joe and Jane were celebrating in the streets, the Christian Dominionists and other rightwing groups would work feverishly to legislate their desired changes to all types of laws from labor laws to public morality laws. Daily life under this regime would resemble life under ISIS or the Taliban with a Christian twist.

Non-Euro descent Americans such as Asian, Latino, Arab and Indigenous Americans would also find themselves falling several notches in the social order and blamed for societal ills that previously fell on the departed Black population.

Everyone living in this Whiter country would be subject to increased police violence, hyper-surveillance and public denigration, except the people at the top. Gun control would finally become law to delay inevitable class conflicts between wealthy Whites and their poorer cousins.

A majority of Euro-Americans have a fantasy of America without its Black population as a sort of Whitetopia. They have no idea how Black people act as a buffer between them and the worst this country metes out to the bottom group. The reality would be far harsher than anything they now imagine.

I never owed a slave! I’m sick of the way 96 percent of the way they behave! They move into a area and they ruin it! I walk down the street with my friends and I wish it was the old west and I had a colt on my hip! If I had a time machine I would go back and kill the dutch slave traders who started bringing them here! This country is doomed because they tell there kids to make more babies and sleep with all the white women or any woman that will bend over! Most black people are nothing more than dirty monkeys! The ruin of the nation that so many real Americans died to protect! PULL YOUR PANTS UP AND TAKE PRIDE IN YOUR COUNTRY! Not how many women you can get pregnant!

That would be great that means I wouldn’t have to hear black people continuously blame white people for their troubles in the past. And then I wouldn’t have to hear black people delusionally talking about white privilege. I don’t know about you but I’m a white person and I’ve never been handed anything in my entire life. It would be so awesome not to hear a black person screaming their brains out at some checker at a grocery store because boquita felt she had been wronged.
F****** Abraham Lincoln I wish that ass hole was assassinated long before the civil war was over. Ahhhh a girl can dream…

bible says “the thing which I said will never happen again that you should be in chains and taken on boats and sold as slaves, it will happen again but this time NO ONE WILL BUY YOU” its that bad.. no one wants black people.. even trying to sell them as slaves and everyone will say no thanks!!! its TRUE. it also is a prophecy that came true in the sense that sometimes employers wouldn’t hire a black person… but either way… no one wants their labor now do they??? NOPE!
if I was given a million black slaves for FREE id say no way I don’t even want to look at them let alone care for them with food water clothing shelter etc
we all work for ourselves now…id hate to own a slave… and id hate to employ a black person with a slave mentality too.. itd suck….so the bible prophecy came true…
they aren’t wanted now even as a slave for free…. or as it says you will offer your own selves as slaves and NO ONE WILL BUY YOU.
its just that bad
I mean in Saudi Arabia and some places like that amongst muslims they are glad to have black slaves…and they do now to this day look it up
but we see it now as not worth the trouble
we see like oh wow look they keep breeding.. and then we accept them as normal humans and let them have everything as equals and then they pull all this shit
\no way
send them all as a weapon to the arabs LOL

racist is a made up word but it used to be a good word. blacks say I when they want something and whites say it when they don’t want something…its a convenient political term,luckily I have a God with supernatural powers who is not concerned with your feelings. He sees whats going on and that’s it. and will stop it. he doesn’t compare . like we do. He doesn’t say well I wont help because I see this in every race,like some pansy
he knows whats up and who is who
but more importantly
“I”
see
we are finally wising up and not saying god this and god that
we will do it
some evil people have depended upon people for centuries saying wait god will do it god will judge
meanwhile everything got worse
so lesson learned
its God in us
its our choice to act upon whats right
God hates the violent man
so it isn’t violence
its more efficient than that
its a storm
as bible says as every religion on earth says
a storm
a once for all efficiency
“the hail was exceedingly great and all men blasphemed god and the lamb on the throne”
“I struck them but they felt no pain” “the fire burns but the wicked are not purged out, they will be called rejected silver for the Lord has rejected them”
its ok to understand some do not want correction “Babylon refuses correction”
but in no way do we HAVE to live with them then
that’s absurd.
“there will be so few men left a child can count them”
“I will kill all who pisseth against the wall, there will be not one left of those who pisseth against the wall ” (I guess the males of that enemy)
“may his progeny be cut off forever”
breeding never was your safety buffer,makes you all more angry all the time
the more you breed it seems the worse off you get
God is angry with it.
I am telling you you are reincarnating your own souls into black bodies…..and it makes you angry.
in some other realm blacks were happy.
but love is a magic spell that wore off..
“you deceived all nations with your potent magic spell” lamentations 2-3 even says they thought they weren’t black..
when daughter zion is “cast from heaven to earth” they who were beautiful and light (splendor) and polished looking and worth their weight in gold… “became black as an oven dry skin on the bones” as a contrast it was a horrific thing…

Send all black prisoners to Australia & Europe as “refugees”‘. See how that works out. You’ll soon realize that drinking gin & juice all day is a job, & you better pay them for it. Then you will realize what the US has to put up with on a daily basis. Walk a mile in our shoes before judging the US.

Definitely would have less crime, less gangs, less taxes to pay for blacks’ welfare checks, less chaos and loudness, higher scores in all aspects of education, less people dropping out of school…. all of this would be true if there werent blacks in America.

But hey at least they gave America rap. Because that music all about rape and murder is definitely an even trade off.

(btw how the hell are blacks responsible for pizza? Thats an Italian dish, you ignorant black sympathizer.)

America without blacks = 75% less crime/incarceration. Quieter streets/neighborhoods. Better schools/ higher test grades overall. Blacks have a much lower I.Q. (75 as verified by every known testing over the last 100 years, ie. ASVAB, LSAT, SAT, GRE, IQ tests, etc….) making them simply unable to compete in society with normal people. In fact, it’s unfair to them to try to make them live in a normal people’s society. It’s like trying to make a team of 4 ft 6 inch basketball players compete with 7 foot players. It’s hopeless. Probably no fault of their own. It’s 100% genetic. And speaking of genetics, blacks are also more prone to violence, have an inability to think in the long-term, have shorter attention spans, are unable to contemplate consequences of their actions and are prone to wild, savage-like outbreaks (classically exhibited during riots with theft and destruction indicative of wild animals). For the record, IQ scores go from highest to lowest: Jews, Asians, Whites, Hispanics, and Blacks.

As someone mentioned previously, only the very rich white people (and some black people) owned slaves…….. less than 5% of white people. So for you mathematically-challenged folks, that means a full 95%+ of white people NEVER owned slaves. So the notion that the US was “built on the backs of slavery” is just plain silly. Blacks were simply farm equipment like the mule, shovels and tractors later. They contributed very little to the overall economy so in reality it would have made very little difference economically whether blacks were sold (by other Africans….look it up) to Americans. In fact the VAST majority of black slaves went to central America and the Caribbean. Yet somehow THOSE PLACES DID NOT BECOME WORLD SUPERPOWERS LIKE THE U.S. Imagine that!!

There are so many falsehoods perpetrated by the race hustlers and blacks trying to re-write history, it would take me a book to list it all. Like ‘black inventions’. There are a few web pages pretending to list all the inventions by blacks in America. 99% of them are lies……..at best, they are nothing but tiny, small modifications of existing inventions where the black person files a patent…………which ANYONE can do. Things like a longer handle or a different kind of screw in an already successful invention. Total nonsense. Their favorite is George Washington Carver and his peanut fetish. For the record— He DID NOT INVENT peanut butter. He dabbled with silly peanuts for years and years. Really, how many things can you possibly do with a PEANUT?!! Think about it.

Moving on, without affirmative action ( which IS reverse discrimination) there would be 80% less black physicians and PhDs and 80% less blacks in upper level management in major businesses. Without government quotas, the black unemployment rate would be 75% higher as a ridiculous disproportionate percentage of blacks work in government jobs (payback via racist quotas).

So in summary, if all blacks were sent back to Africa, as some had suggested in the distant past, we might be missing a few cool songs and a few dance moves. We’d have some white people (with less tattoos) on major league basketball teams. And we’d save a lot of money on incarceration. That’s about it. Blacks, in reality, have make VERY little contribution to American society over the past 500 years, rarely, if ever winning a Nobel Prize in a hard science field.

All of this is 100% true. I had blinders on for the first 40 years of my life but reality could not be held back any longer (when it was slapping in the face 24/7). I became, not a racist, but a ‘RACE REALIST’ . It is what It is. There is no nation (or city) with a majority of blacks that is not a 3rd world slum. Africa, which is said to be the oldest civilization, is still stuck in the 1500’s with plagues, starvation, rape, homelessness, incest, and cannibalism, all while living in mud huts, despite prosperous land opportunities. Intelligent (with an IQ over 50) people would not settle for this kind of life and would have moved on and up by now.

I think you mean that you became a REAL RACIST… which means you finally matriculated to a graduate level of racism/nonsense/stupidity… after 40 years? You call that smart???

There’s no shortage of you Bozos in Amerika!

Before you leave, patting yourself on the back, you should know you haven’t said anything here that hasn’t already been said hundreds of times. Refuting you would as uninspiring as ants getting smashed while crossing the street.

How would America be more poor? With a large amount of the black population leeching off of welfare and causing violence in the streets it seems highly unlikely America would be more poor. No pizza or rock music? Yeah, because ghetto blasting is considered “rock” and pizza is Italian. Whoever wrote this article has the IQ of a Bernie Sanders supporter.. In other words about 3.

The large amount of whites on welfare is a good enough indication that it would still be poor. Let’s be honest, most of what whites have is stolen or built on the backs of someone else anyway.

“Yeah, because ghetto blasting is considered “rock” and pizza is Italian.”—It’s called hip hop or rap, but if you do research rock music was created by a black person. As for Pizza, it really is only Italian in name. Foods of similar standing date back further, but was not called “pizza”.

jesus christ i got an absolute great laugh out of this funnier than most american comedians more divided nope , no dindus destroying communities , richer because 80% of current social welfare beneficiaries would not exist , and some dope said there would be no culture without blacks, if you look at their culture now its just dole cheques and drugs mixed with a bit of rap, please for the sake of humanity get your head out of your arse

They wouldn’t feel bad at all as whites are ‘individuals’. Based on that premise, they’d be laughing along with everyone else. Heck, they’d even half-jokingly say that they have a relative like that. There is no shame in their game as the Yanks would say.

You and yours are free to go back to Europe after you have cleaned up lakes & rivers, replanted forests, returned art treasures (and body parts) to Africa, Asia and the Americas and apologized for 500 years of savage behavior to the rest of humanity.

Perhaps by then, European animals will be domesticated enough to earn the respect of humans.

of course whites would be the majority on public assistance considering they are well over 50% of the population of the US. By percent of race whites are 2nd to asians in the lowest use of public assistance and if you remove hispanics from whites they would be near on par with asians.

If you think it is less than 10 percent then you really need to get out. Most blacks are educated.

@Dilbert

Most stats with public assistance actual does not include Hispanics. So no you would not be on par with Asians. Also if you are going to claim the “remove Hispanics” argument then you need to also remove Hispanics from the black stats as well.

White families have nine times the net worth of Black families, because they benefited from public subsidies (public assistance) in these ways:

▷Social Security which excluded most Black workers for the first thirty years.

▷Federal Housing programs of the 20th century favored White homeowners over Black homeowners, leading to higher rates of home ownership and greater accumulation of family wealth.

▷Freeway construction made it easy for White families to move to suburbs but devastated Black communities. According to a PBS article:

“Freeways in major cities connected white suburbs to central business districts, but they were often built through core areas of Black settlement. Many urban Black areas lost their neighborhood shopping districts and successful small businesses as a result. By the 1960s, many businesses began moving jobs from cities to suburbs, further concentrating wealth and needed tax dollars away from [largely Black] urban areas.”

According to the New York Times, White homeowning families still receive government subsidies in the form of:

▷mortgage rate subsidies

▷federal income tax deductions for mortgage interest payments and for state and local property taxes

▷breaks on capital gains from the sales of primary homes.

Finally, White people monopolize private and public sector employment by discriminating against Black people, regardless of qualifications—-affirmative action for White people.

Government assistance takes many forms, from mortgage deductions to (the now dead) Aid to Dependent Children welfare program that ended in 1996. When you speak of public assistance, it is important to include all of the ways the tax dollars of all Americans benefited the White population at the expense of everyone else.

Yet another reason to like and why I am still a “member/follower”
Extremely diverse range of coverage of certain social pyschological issues.

Anyway I find terms “blacks” , “whites” to be very annoying do to thier extreme inaccuracy to the point of being stereotpical and leading to and encouraging scripted thinking.
Scince this is a “thought experiment”
Type of post and I have not read all comments yet ,I will wonder and ponder until/ if I recieve response
The few things that make the african american population unquie
1.only involuntary immigrant group.

2.additionally only population who has had (and effort continues)

All visible aspects of said groups cultural identity stripped from them by force.

Also the question arises in my mind – what is the exact extent and range of human freewill and agency.

I’ve heard how we all make choices,you can be anything you set your mind to, and don’t ” let” anyone take your power away – to me at this point in my life, these are clever lies told to captured people ,by sadist who enjoy the confusion and misery of others, even need it for thier sustancience and evolutionary role.

Also the question arises in my mind – what is the exact extent and range of human freewill and agency.
This is most explict in the two most extreme profane terms for black people and females – b”””” and n””””” the two groups with least angency in this world currently, notice thier is no equalavent word for white people or men .

Sure, we’re all playing in the same game of life, but I hear some people brag about how far they’ve gotten and what achievements they’ve won so far…I often wish they could play on my console for a while, where…

The Boss levels are harder
I start off with no armour
My person is spawned further away from the weapons
It seems that there are more bad guys to kill
I get less bullets
It takes more bullets to take the bad guys down
Even the good guys in the game are set to attack me randomly.

The cops are programmed to automatically suspect and sometimes attack me. (Generally they actually are supposed to help me in the game. At least… that’s what the manual says)

My character starts off with lower hit points. If you get stuck in one of the prison side quests…you might as well just start the game over (I’ve heard that some of the other game modes actually have cheat codes and shorter stay times… but I can’t seem to find those options on the mode I’m playing)

I hear about these cool weapons and armor that are available in the stores in the lower modes… but on my game, they are either too expensive (money is harder to collect on this level) or in very low supply

It takes much longer to level up

The UI seems to cheat (though it’s hard to prove it to those playing on Normal Mode)

The good thing is that, if you do master the game on this mode, your character can be upgraded to levels that easily surpass the ones that play on easy or Normal Mode. The bad news is that it’s hard as hell to level up.

Also, I recognise that some people unfortunately have to play on Insane Mode. So things could be worse.

After a few hours of playing, my blood pressure is up, my heart’s pounding at an unhealthy rate, these Boss levels are wearing me down and I’m mad as hell with the UI and the fact that I’ve barely made an progress. I really just want to throw down my controller… but if I do that… I’m screwed, cause you can’t pause the game of life.

Meanwhile… Player 2 is bragging about quickly he got through Level 1 and keeps asking me, “what’s taking so long” and saying shit like, “dude, quit blaming the game…its just that you suck.. and I make this look easy.

I just wish that the people playing on Normal Mode could experience Intense Mode for a while. Or that I could at least get an upgraded controller to play with.

1. This is a complete fallacy. You are addressing the so-called “disadvantages” of removing blacks from society. You can not use a benefit of having them enslaved as a reason for free blacks being here being advantageous. This is overtly illogical.

2. It would probably only have half as many people? No, this is simply mathematically false. It is evident you did no research before writing this, and spewed random fabrications as if they were truthful. Blacks are 12.6% of the US population. We’d have roughly 35-40 million fewer people, hardly a dent in our total population.

3. We would barely be smaller, and we would not be poorer. In fact, we would have more money. A huge percentage of the black population is on welfare. This means they do not contribute to our GDP. A great number of them profit from illegal activities and are unemployed. We would not be poorer without blacks, or substantially smaller. This is a baseless and invalid statement.

4. Society would not be more divided without blacks. We do not rely on them to establish a white American identity. The white American culture and lifestyle existed for many many decades without the existence or presence of free blacks. At the height of slavery, less than 1% of Americans owned any slaves at all. They were not freed until after the Civil War. We were a country long before the start of that conflict, and for quite a while after that until the end of segregation, blacks were mostly separated from us for most of history, and not a part of our daily lives. You attribute them with all kinds of credit and characteristics of being instrumental in American culture and society, that they simply do not really possess.

5. Jews are less than 1% of the US population. Blacks did not invent pizza, and rock could have still been invented without the blues artist who damaged his amplifier. I can agree there might be fewer genres of music without the blacks, but whether or not that is a good thing is subjective. The overwhelming majority of black music in modern times is extremely degenerate and promotes a deplorably criminal lifestyle. Black culture is generally incredibly inferior to white culture, and acts as little more than an incessant pollutant to it. Black culture has made filthy and utterly depraved a once pure and noble nation of people.

6. Gays have never not had “equal rights”. It is a choice to be gay. It is a lifestyle, homosexuality, that some practice, and is against the values and religious principles of our founding fathers and their society. Everyone has always had the right to marry a member of the opposite gender. This is the establishment of a new “right” for all people, not an equal right granted to one group of people. The premise of your point is disingenuous and reflective of an uneducated individual. Women have voted liberals into office 3x more than men. It used to be that only female landowners could vote in many states. They had to take on the responsibilities of a man, so they granted them the same rights. Women tend to regurgitate the media’s opinions and be extremely easily politically indoctrinated, without implementing critical thinking to formulate their own unique independent ideas. This is biologically and chemically wired into them. Women tend to agree with the majority of their company, typically. We didn’t need a civil rights movement or “equality” to be a great nation. In truth, men and women are not equal. All races are not equal. This is a liberal delusional fantasy that is not based in science or academia. Your ideal world does not actually exist, simply because you want it to for the sake of peoples’ feelings. Blacks have an average IQ of 70, and a brain size 5 cubic inches smaller than those of Europeans. They are NOT equal, by any means, and racemixing is an abomination. Equality is a complete lie. Tell the lamb that is consumed by a lion about equality, and see if it begins to slay lions. Now tell a black he is intellectually equal to a white man, and see if he is victorious at chess or other intellectual contests. The level of thought and ideas actually supported by evidence and information in your article is sad and severely lacking.

LORD of MIRKWOOD …. IS THIS YOU, again, spewing your lopsided backward RACIST rants under the guise of another identity, this time as a know nothing dummy/race realist???

After posting those offensive chimpanzee pictures of Obomber and his wife, and trolling the idea on this blog that Black slavery was strictly a southern, but not a northern event, I wouldn’t put any racist thing beyond you!

“Women tend to regurgitate the media’s opinions and be extremely easily politically indoctrinated, without implementing critical thinking to formulate their own unique independent ideas. This is biologically and chemically wired into them. Women tend to agree with the majority of their company, typically.”

So logically following these premises, then, women only “choose” to become lesbians when they are surrounded by other lesbians as the majority of their company and when the media’s opinions are positive towards lesbians.

How much exposure does it take for a woman’s biological and chemical wiring to kick in and indoctrination to take place?

Do women go into Ellen’s studio audience happily married to men and come out holding hands with each other?

Was that a unique independent thought on my part? Egads, how did that ever happen?! My wiring must be faulty!!

It is evident you did no research before writing this, and spewed random fabrications as if they were truthful.

What’s your point? Do you actually have one?

We’d have roughly 35-40 million fewer people, hardly a dent in our total population.

Yes but you would not have a group of people to buttress you low self-worth.

In fact, we would have more money.

Now I know that’s crap. You’d be spending the extra money on meth and heroin!

This is a baseless and invalid statement.

Your whole post so far is and exercise in inaccuracies. You must work for the fake news, which one?

We do not rely on them to establish a white American identity.

Oh but you do. After all, you need another group that acts as a funnel into which you can cast your self-loathing. You wouldn’t be on this blog posting otherwise because Blacks would not even be on your radar. You wouldn’t care. You seem to enjoy an inordinate amount of bloviating just to illustrate the fallaciousness of your ‘arguments’! You are full of faecal matter!

Black culture has made filthy and utterly depraved a once pure and noble nation of people.

Yes but that turns you on, doesn’t it? You doth protest too much!

It is a lifestyle, homosexuality, that some practice, and is against the values and religious principles of our founding fathers and their society.

Martha was a beard before you assert he was married! Ever wonder why they had no kids?

Women tend to regurgitate the media’s opinions and be extremely easily politically indoctrinated, without implementing critical thinking to formulate their own unique independent ideas.

You are descending into further lunacy!

Is that you Richard Spence? Or is it Pence? You shouldn’t be bad-mouthing your fellow homosexuals for one, albeit you are closeted. Let me ask you a question, indulge me if you will. What hole did you crawl out of?

This article is complete and utter nonsensical bullshit. Without blacks in America, America would be richer, stronger, quieter, cleaner and a HELL of a lot more peaceful!! The crime rate would probably be 97% lower than what it is now! America needs black people like dogs need fleas. In other words, black people need America more than America needs blacks.

It’s was not Abagond’s failure to convey this article properly to the supremecist’s commenting on here. There was difficulty for the aforementioned supremecists to comprehend properly. When he sais pizza wouldn’t be in America without blacks he means in his own words: “no melting pot through which ethnic white cultures could affect it too.” Which denotes that Italian Americans would not be in America to contribute a very popular food to U.S culture.

This article is complete and utter nonsensical bullshit. Without blacks in America, America would be richer, stronger, quieter, cleaner and a HELL of a lot more peaceful!! The crime rate would probably be 97% lower than what it is now! America needs black people like dogs need fleas. In other words, black people need America more than America needs blacks.

It’s sad when you see someone believe their own bullsh*t. There’s always at least one on every black blog or forum.

If there were no blacks in “America” USA the nation would be like Europe. Just a white nation. More whites would have come to this nation and those that did would have to work their butts off like “the slaves of reality” or the serfs and the poor of Europe.

There are many places on earth where there are no blacks.

The question is who benefited from slavery over the 600 years of history of this nation.

Of course the Native American may have been wiped out because they were not used to doing the hard work and of course the deseases got a lot of them.

If there were no blacks in “America” USA the nation would be like Europe. Just a white nation. More whites would have come to this nation and those that did would have to work their butts off like “the slaves of reality” or the serfs and the poor of Europe.

They would have simply trafficked others, eg, Chinese, Indians, Indonesians, etc. like they did to Guyana, Mauritius, Suriname, Trinidad, Malaysia, Fiji …

Wait, they did do this to Jamaica and the US where they has previously brought in Africans. They would have simply trafficked women in too and substitute an alternative hereditable chattel slavery caste system. Coolies were basically a cheap labour alternative to African slaves that could be kept disenfranchised from society on a racial basis.

Of course the Native American may have been wiped out because they were not used to doing the hard work and of course the deseases got a lot of them.

They were wiped out, but not for this reason.

Gee, do people think Indians were wiped out because they were not used to doing hard work?

People believe that the few remaining survivors were wiped out due to disease?

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Actually, Native Americans were simply removed off their land forcibly. This did involve killing, but also other means, including spreading disease or relocation or just squatting.

Why would they have shipped people from Africa if they could have successfully employed the local people?

They still shipped Asians (Indians, Chinese, Indonesians) to South Africa (this is in Africa, by the way), Mauritius, Seychelles, Fiji and other Pacific Islands, Malaysia, etc. to be forced or at least cheap exploited labour. I don’t think the Americas were the only place where they imported forced labour, and they didn’t seem to be limited to shipping Africans.

Also, interesting that one thinks of exploiting the forced labour of local people as “successfully employing” them.

Well jefe I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale would you like to buy it?

The Africans were shipped to this part of the world starting in early1600 (the Spanish brought slaves to the islands in 1500s).

Your history just starts a little late.

Employ vs slave labor how quaint I will be more careful from now on!

There was no other mass movement of people at the time of the discovery of the Americas. There was much disease from Europe that the Native Americans could not tolerate.

The people came from Portugal and Spain with the horse, sword and the bible and also disease.

You should study the islands and South and Central America. Far more Africans were brought there than to the USA. The northern Europeans started bringing Africans to the states as indentured servants but later changed them to slaves.

I suppose you believe it is a myth that rich black people owned slaves or they just owned the family