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Your Daily Fix of Neuroscience, Skepticism, and Critical ThinkingTue, 03 Mar 2015 18:07:13 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.1By: Mikehttp://theness.com/neurologicablog/index.php/reporting-medical-cases-as-human-interest-stories-chase-britton-edition/comment-page-1/#comment-29710
MikeFri, 18 Feb 2011 02:05:36 +0000http://theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=2830#comment-29710@Dr. Novella - Ah, fair point. But watching the video of the news story on YouTube, the doctor (I'm not sure if he was the primary doctor or just some quack they found to make a soundbite) seemed doubtful whether there was any cerebellum during development - of course, that didn't stop him from claiming that there was. I assumed this doubt was because the quality of the ultrasounds weren't good enough to make any certain judgements.
I know that previous complications resulted in the doctors performing more ultrasounds than standard practice, but to get scans of the brain wouldn't they have had to use higher frequency imaging? What would the doctors have been looking for that would require that level of imaging?
Your atrophy theory does sound more plausible to me though, and I suppose if you're able to have a look at the scans you'll be able to know one way or the other.
Thanks for the reply.@Dr. Novella – Ah, fair point. But watching the video of the news story on YouTube, the doctor (I’m not sure if he was the primary doctor or just some quack they found to make a soundbite) seemed doubtful whether there was any cerebellum during development – of course, that didn’t stop him from claiming that there was. I assumed this doubt was because the quality of the ultrasounds weren’t good enough to make any certain judgements.

I know that previous complications resulted in the doctors performing more ultrasounds than standard practice, but to get scans of the brain wouldn’t they have had to use higher frequency imaging? What would the doctors have been looking for that would require that level of imaging?

Your atrophy theory does sound more plausible to me though, and I suppose if you’re able to have a look at the scans you’ll be able to know one way or the other.

Thanks for the reply.

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Steven NovellaThu, 17 Feb 2011 19:02:44 +0000http://theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=2830#comment-29701Mike - apparently early sonograms showed the presence of a cerebellum. So this cannot be complete agenesis.
If these sonograms are correct, then the cerebellum must have atrophied. It's possible it was so small that it was just resorbed. Perhaps there is more going on than just failure to develop - such as something causing actual damage to the cerebellum. But the MRI did not show evidence of this.Mike – apparently early sonograms showed the presence of a cerebellum. So this cannot be complete agenesis.

If these sonograms are correct, then the cerebellum must have atrophied. It’s possible it was so small that it was just resorbed. Perhaps there is more going on than just failure to develop – such as something causing actual damage to the cerebellum. But the MRI did not show evidence of this.

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cyn1972Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:49:29 +0000http://theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=2830#comment-29699I have a nephew with the same condition. My brother would LOVE to speak to the parents of Chase. I saw pictures of Chase and it was like looking at a picture of my nephew 15 years ago. My brother would love to speak with you! My e-mail info is cyn1972@aol.com - please contact me!I have a nephew with the same condition. My brother would LOVE to speak to the parents of Chase. I saw pictures of Chase and it was like looking at a picture of my nephew 15 years ago. My brother would love to speak with you! My e-mail info is cyn1972@aol.com – please contact me!
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WatcherThu, 17 Feb 2011 16:03:12 +0000http://theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=2830#comment-29698Heather, you may want to email Steve if you want something done quickly.Heather, you may want to email Steve if you want something done quickly.
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shallitThu, 17 Feb 2011 15:15:40 +0000http://theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=2830#comment-29697There's a related case reported by Lorber:
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/210/4475/1232
I gather Lorber's claims were somewhat exaggerated - but do you know anything more about that case?There’s a related case reported by Lorber:

I gather Lorber’s claims were somewhat exaggerated – but do you know anything more about that case?

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dhbritishThu, 17 Feb 2011 14:03:45 +0000http://theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=2830#comment-29696Any way you could remove my more detailed posts? I'm finding more and more links to this and had thought it was a more quiet forum of professionals. THANK YOU!!!!Any way you could remove my more detailed posts? I’m finding more and more links to this and had thought it was a more quiet forum of professionals. THANK YOU!!!!
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WatcherWed, 16 Feb 2011 15:02:32 +0000http://theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=2830#comment-29683This should be on SBM, or at least a link to here on the website. Although, maybe there would be too many cooks in the kitchen at that point. Then again, people from such a diverse number fields could be helpful in the discussion.This should be on SBM, or at least a link to here on the website. Although, maybe there would be too many cooks in the kitchen at that point. Then again, people from such a diverse number fields could be helpful in the discussion.
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MikeWed, 16 Feb 2011 08:19:54 +0000http://theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=2830#comment-29677Dr Novella: If it turns out that your explanation is wrong (and the total cerebellum is missing, rather than just being atrophied), then surely wouldn't this just be a case of cerebellar agenesis? There have been a few cases of this, I think, with the most famous just being known by the initials H.C.
Then, as mentioned by others above, neuroplasticity helps to compensate for some of the lost functions.
Great article though, and it's encouraging to see Chase's mother is taking an active interest in her son. I think all too often people will hear that (idiot) doctor's opinion that their son has the "brain of a vegetable" and stop asking any more questions..Dr Novella: If it turns out that your explanation is wrong (and the total cerebellum is missing, rather than just being atrophied), then surely wouldn’t this just be a case of cerebellar agenesis? There have been a few cases of this, I think, with the most famous just being known by the initials H.C.

Then, as mentioned by others above, neuroplasticity helps to compensate for some of the lost functions.

Great article though, and it’s encouraging to see Chase’s mother is taking an active interest in her son. I think all too often people will hear that (idiot) doctor’s opinion that their son has the “brain of a vegetable” and stop asking any more questions..

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norrisLWed, 16 Feb 2011 04:51:47 +0000http://theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=2830#comment-29673Not suggesting for one moment that this applies in any way to Chase, but as veterinarian I am aware that the feline panleucopaenia virus will cause kittens to suffer from cerebellar hypoplasia. These kittens can survive although would tend to be a little inccordinated, depending upon the degree of cerebellar hypoplasia.
All the best to Chase
StuartNot suggesting for one moment that this applies in any way to Chase, but as veterinarian I am aware that the feline panleucopaenia virus will cause kittens to suffer from cerebellar hypoplasia. These kittens can survive although would tend to be a little inccordinated, depending upon the degree of cerebellar hypoplasia.
All the best to Chase
Stuart
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roroWed, 16 Feb 2011 00:31:34 +0000http://theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=2830#comment-29670I wonder if neuroplasticity is at work full-time what parts of Chase's brain are compensating for the deficit?I wonder if neuroplasticity is at work full-time what parts of Chase’s brain are compensating for the deficit?
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