US Politics Mega-thread - Page 7896

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Let us dispense of the preposterous notion that racism is perpetuated not by racists, but by the oppressed people not properly courting their not-racist* oppressors. I disagree with 99%* of what the DD's say on race.

WILLARD, Ohio — Migrant workers arrive here every spring to work in the “muck,” which is what everybody calls the fertile soil that makes this part of Ohio the perfect place to grow radishes, peppers, cucumbers and leafy greens. The temporary workers can be seen planting, weeding and, later in the season, harvesting crops that will be sold at national supermarket chains.

But there’s trouble in the muck this growing season.

The first sign of discontent came earlier in the year, when the Willard Area Chamber of Commerce was planning a welcome-back party for the migrants, most of whom come from Mexico and other countries farther south. Vendors were to sell food and drink. A soccer tournament, rides and singers were to entertain the crowd. At the chamber’s February meeting, everyone seemed on board.

“Our community is very fortunate we have a group of people who come here every year to work,” Cari McLendon, the chamber president, said. “We all ramp up for the season.”

But after a local newspaper published an article about the event in March, a far less welcoming response emerged, one rooted in the vigorous national debate over illegal immigration that brought President Trump to office. Some Willard residents complained that Hispanic workers did not deserve any special treatment, and that those without papers ought to be met not with open arms, but rather with handcuffs. Daniel Young, a Vietnam War veteran, wrote a letter to the editor of The Norwalk Reflector saying that he and others “are still waiting on our welcome-home party.”

It only gets worse after that. Random citizens getting stopped. Legal immigrants harassed. People who have lived here for a decade deported. I keep reading about these communities that are shocked everything got so hostile and fearful. Like they didn't fully understand what mass deportations would look like, but really wanted the illegal immigrants out of the country.

WILLARD, Ohio — Migrant workers arrive here every spring to work in the “muck,” which is what everybody calls the fertile soil that makes this part of Ohio the perfect place to grow radishes, peppers, cucumbers and leafy greens. The temporary workers can be seen planting, weeding and, later in the season, harvesting crops that will be sold at national supermarket chains.

But there’s trouble in the muck this growing season.

The first sign of discontent came earlier in the year, when the Willard Area Chamber of Commerce was planning a welcome-back party for the migrants, most of whom come from Mexico and other countries farther south. Vendors were to sell food and drink. A soccer tournament, rides and singers were to entertain the crowd. At the chamber’s February meeting, everyone seemed on board.

“Our community is very fortunate we have a group of people who come here every year to work,” Cari McLendon, the chamber president, said. “We all ramp up for the season.”

But after a local newspaper published an article about the event in March, a far less welcoming response emerged, one rooted in the vigorous national debate over illegal immigration that brought President Trump to office. Some Willard residents complained that Hispanic workers did not deserve any special treatment, and that those without papers ought to be met not with open arms, but rather with handcuffs. Daniel Young, a Vietnam War veteran, wrote a letter to the editor of The Norwalk Reflector saying that he and others “are still waiting on our welcome-home party.”

It only gets worse after that. Random citizens getting stopped. Legal immigrants harassed. People who have lived here for a decade deported. I keep reading about these communities that are shocked everything got so hostile and fearful. Like they didn't fully understand what mass deportations would look like, but really wanted the illegal immigrants out of the country.

US policy is pretty firmly rooted in people not understanding the consequences of said policy.

Let us dispense of the preposterous notion that racism is perpetuated not by racists, but by the oppressed people not properly courting their not-racist* oppressors. I disagree with 99%* of what the DD's say on race.

To quote my brother, the word smith that he is “If I was work’n a checkpoint in Iraq and pulled that shit, my ass would be in prison.”

I laud the writer for keeping the focus of the article nice and tight: the public can't bring itself to convict police officers. Police forces let their officers do whatever they want because they know they can get away with it, and the reason they get away with it is because the public lets them. If they heard some real public outrage, and if juries would actually hold them accountable for their misdeeds like they're supposed to, they'd do more than just let a problem officer go work somewhere else. It's a substantial part of the problem that can't be overlooked.

To quote my brother, the word smith that he is “If I was work’n a checkpoint in Iraq and pulled that shit, my ass would be in prison.”

I laud the writer for keeping the focus of the article nice and tight: the public can't bring itself to convict police officers. Police forces let their officers do whatever they want because they know they can get away with it, and the reason they get away with it is because the public lets them. If they heard some real public outrage, and if juries would actually hold them accountable for their misdeeds like they're supposed to, they'd do more than just let a problem officer go work somewhere else. It's a substantial part of the problem that can't be overlooked.

What do you mean when you say "real public outrage"?

Let us dispense of the preposterous notion that racism is perpetuated not by racists, but by the oppressed people not properly courting their not-racist* oppressors. I disagree with 99%* of what the DD's say on race.

To quote my brother, the word smith that he is “If I was work’n a checkpoint in Iraq and pulled that shit, my ass would be in prison.”

I laud the writer for keeping the focus of the article nice and tight: the public can't bring itself to convict police officers. Police forces let their officers do whatever they want because they know they can get away with it, and the reason they get away with it is because the public lets them. If they heard some real public outrage, and if juries would actually hold them accountable for their misdeeds like they're supposed to, they'd do more than just let a problem officer go work somewhere else. It's a substantial part of the problem that can't be overlooked.

To quote my brother, the word smith that he is “If I was work’n a checkpoint in Iraq and pulled that shit, my ass would be in prison.”

I laud the writer for keeping the focus of the article nice and tight: the public can't bring itself to convict police officers. Police forces let their officers do whatever they want because they know they can get away with it, and the reason they get away with it is because the public lets them. If they heard some real public outrage, and if juries would actually hold them accountable for their misdeeds like they're supposed to, they'd do more than just let a problem officer go work somewhere else. It's a substantial part of the problem that can't be overlooked.

What do you mean when you say "real public outrage"?

TBH I assumed it implied rage by white people.

Same, but I took it a little further to imply conservative white rage, as they have typically been the more pro-police group, and outrage over police from the left has been pretty consistent.

To quote my brother, the word smith that he is “If I was work’n a checkpoint in Iraq and pulled that shit, my ass would be in prison.”

I laud the writer for keeping the focus of the article nice and tight: the public can't bring itself to convict police officers. Police forces let their officers do whatever they want because they know they can get away with it, and the reason they get away with it is because the public lets them. If they heard some real public outrage, and if juries would actually hold them accountable for their misdeeds like they're supposed to, they'd do more than just let a problem officer go work somewhere else. It's a substantial part of the problem that can't be overlooked.

What do you mean when you say "real public outrage"?

TBH I assumed it implied rage by white people.

Exactly. Right now this problem with police is something they can ignore or see as “not normal”. They don’t see it as a systemic problem, or at least not one that is likely to affect them.

Comments are delicious, a subtle mix between "Yeah this seems massively fucked up but we don't really know all the facts and if we did we would see that it isn't probably" and "Here's why the black man was wrong with the facts that we know".

To quote my brother, the word smith that he is “If I was work’n a checkpoint in Iraq and pulled that shit, my ass would be in prison.”

I laud the writer for keeping the focus of the article nice and tight: the public can't bring itself to convict police officers. Police forces let their officers do whatever they want because they know they can get away with it, and the reason they get away with it is because the public lets them. If they heard some real public outrage, and if juries would actually hold them accountable for their misdeeds like they're supposed to, they'd do more than just let a problem officer go work somewhere else. It's a substantial part of the problem that can't be overlooked.

What do you mean when you say "real public outrage"?

TBH I assumed it implied rage by white people.

Same, but I took it a little further to imply conservative white rage, as they have typically been the more pro-police group, and outrage over police from the left has been pretty consistent.

Pretty much. It's easy to play off any issue that only one side believes in, regardless if it's correct, but if it's meeting consistent approval/disapproval from both sides it becomes a lot harder to save face by denying one side. There are still plenty of people, even in my family, who are notably pro-police, so they're going to have a base that supports them pretty much no matter what. That has to change - the people have to hold them accountable - before they start to monitor themselves more adequately.

Trump hates seeing bad press about him when he watches the news. He also likes tweeting in the morning about the news he doesn’t approve of. Being unable to answer simple questions about the president’s tweets generates bad coverage for the president. This is Trump’s solution, which is to make sure the press can’t record anything and that will stop the bad coverage.

It won’t. They will just report that the White House is trying to avoid answer questions, which is pretty much what they are doing.

wtf. I dunno how I never heard about that. How is that not utterly fucked up? Do Trump supporters see this as sticking it to globalists or something? What a tragic development.

unrelated, happy cake day

Thanks! TL always gets my hyped up for my birthday (tomorrow). I can't help but kind of wonder why TL still uses Korean time. TL as an organization sure has drifted from BW. I've always thought birthday icons should be displayed according to when it is that person's birthday in their time zone, but that's just me!