ciberido:Gyrfalcon: All four? I mean, I give him/her/it/them credit, but I don't think you can be all four at the same time, especially if you're going transgender. I think you have to pick one.

A bisexual woman can legitimately claim to be lesbian, gay, and bisexual all at the same time.

Lesbians can (and often do) use the word "gay" to describe themselves. It's not for men only.

While not all bisexuals consider themselves to be gay/lesbian, many do. And while many bisexuals see bisexuality as a "third" orientation, neither gay nor straight, some bisexuals see themselves as both gay AND straight.

And the younger they are, the more labels that I've never heard of they seem to add. At the risk of sounding like an old fogey, kids these days seem to have come up with as many different labels as there are non-hetero people.

Because back in the '60s & '70s lesbian feminists didn't want to be publicly dominated by male chauvanist nellie queens. They're a different sex so they have to have a different label. To me it's kind of like separating black father-Jewish mother like Lisa Bonet from black mother-Jewish father like her ex Lenny Kravitz: it's an essentially trivial distinction that only small groups of people will make an issue of unless you make them: in the latter case Orthodox Jews, i.e. Lisa Bonet is halakhically Jewish, while Lenny Kravitz just has a Jewish dad; and in the former lesbian feminists, especially leftist lesbian feminists who go on about things like the gender-political implications of certain soap and deodorant commercials as in "Manly yes, but I like it too."

That could probably be put better if I were wide-awake and sober, but it's 2:40 A.M. here so bite me.

thursdaypostal:Gyrfalcon: All four? I mean, I give him/her/it/them credit, but I don't think you can be all four at the same time, especially if you're going transgender. I think you have to pick one.

A transgendered person can be homosexual or bisexual.

Or straight.

Chaz Bono would be example of a straight transgender man (or "transman" or "ftm"). He's male, his brain has always been male, and he's attracted to women, so he is straight.

For comparison, Matt Kailey is also a female-to-male transsexual like Chaz Bono, but Kailey is attracted to men, so he would be a gay man.

Sometimes the terms androphilia and gynephilia are used, espcially when there could be some confusion or disagreement about the person's "true" gender. So you could say, for example, that a gay man, a heterosexual woman, a bisexual man, and a bisexual woman are all androphilic.

rynthetyn:ciberido: Gyrfalcon: All four? I mean, I give him/her/it/them credit, but I don't think you can be all four at the same time, especially if you're going transgender. I think you have to pick one.

A bisexual woman can legitimately claim to be lesbian, gay, and bisexual all at the same time.

Lesbians can (and often do) use the word "gay" to describe themselves. It's not for men only.

While not all bisexuals consider themselves to be gay/lesbian, many do. And while many bisexuals see bisexuality as a "third" orientation, neither gay nor straight, some bisexuals see themselves as both gay AND straight.

And the younger they are, the more labels that I've never heard of they seem to add. At the risk of sounding like an old fogey, kids these days seem to have come up with as many different labels as there are non-hetero people.

Here's another one for you: heteroflexible.There's also "bi-curious," but that's not all that new.

By the way, this guy looks so very "straight" as in "straight-arrow": did we ever see Alex P. Keaton in a T-shirt & jeans? Granted this was a somewhat formal occasion, but then I insisted on wearing combat boots to be Best Man at my sister's wedding and to the graveyard to bury my grandmother.

It makes me long for the days when we queers weren't supposed to look & act so bloody damn normal. If the only difference from any Young Republican is that we happen to be slightly nonstandard in our sexual preference why even bring it up? What's so radically noncomformist about a clean-cut young man in a freaking tie? Even the leatherperson set has branched out to include total heteros and to be more like a role-playing game than a serious perversion. These days queers are so castrated only ninnies like Sarah Palin and Nazis like the Westboro Baptists even pretend to be threatened or even scandalized: despite some of their frothing rhetoric the truth is they only get all tizzified against gay marriage because they think they're supposed to, not because it makes any real difference.

The fact is there's no point to any Sexual Identity anymore. There's very little point even to having sex. Everything is Wonderbreaded, just another marketing niche to separate X kind of unique snowflake from every non-X variety. Deprived of our tattoos and other fashion statements Americans are insipid maggots whose "lifestyles" mean less than nothing.

Proud? Defiant? Rebellious? Only in K-12. Once you're 18 everybody just wants to sell you Quality Craftsmanship With Distinct Style.

ciberido:rynthetyn: ciberido: Gyrfalcon: All four? I mean, I give him/her/it/them credit, but I don't think you can be all four at the same time, especially if you're going transgender. I think you have to pick one.

A bisexual woman can legitimately claim to be lesbian, gay, and bisexual all at the same time.

Lesbians can (and often do) use the word "gay" to describe themselves. It's not for men only.

While not all bisexuals consider themselves to be gay/lesbian, many do. And while many bisexuals see bisexuality as a "third" orientation, neither gay nor straight, some bisexuals see themselves as both gay AND straight.

And the younger they are, the more labels that I've never heard of they seem to add. At the risk of sounding like an old fogey, kids these days seem to have come up with as many different labels as there are non-hetero people.

Here's another one for you: heteroflexible.There's also "bi-curious," but that's not all that new.

Oh, there's way more than that. I've been working categorizing a research survey where we allowed respondents to self-identify and you've got 13 or 14 year old kids using strings of labels that a queer theory grad student wouldn't have heard of 5 years ago.

The One True TheDavid:By the way, this guy looks so very "straight" as in "straight-arrow": did we ever see Alex P. Keaton in a T-shirt & jeans? Granted this was a somewhat formal occasion, but then I insisted on wearing combat boots to be Best Man at my sister's wedding and to the graveyard to bury my grandmother.

It makes me long for the days when we queers weren't supposed to look & act so bloody damn normal. If the only difference from any Young Republican is that we happen to be slightly nonstandard in our sexual preference why even bring it up? What's so radically noncomformist about a clean-cut young man in a freaking tie? Even the leatherperson set has branched out to include total heteros and to be more like a role-playing game than a serious perversion. These days queers are so castrated only ninnies like Sarah Palin and Nazis like the Westboro Baptists even pretend to be threatened or even scandalized: despite some of their frothing rhetoric the truth is they only get all tizzified against gay marriage because they think they're supposed to, not because it makes any real difference.

The fact is there's no point to any Sexual Identity anymore. There's very little point even to having sex. Everything is Wonderbreaded, just another marketing niche to separate X kind of unique snowflake from every non-X variety. Deprived of our tattoos and other fashion statements Americans are insipid maggots whose "lifestyles" mean less than nothing.

Proud? Defiant? Rebellious? Only in K-12. Once you're 18 everybody just wants to sell you Quality Craftsmanship With Distinct Style.

Every generation has to rebel against the values and behaviors of the one that went before. When the previous generation was wild and crazy, the only way to rebel is to dress like Alex P. Keaton.

Same way my friend who was a pretty hard core punk kid now has teenage sons who are obsessed with super polished, prepackaged K-Pop boy bands--he was so crazy as a teenager he left his own kids no other option to differentiate themselves.

Seriously though, how arrogant do you have to be to imagine any of those kids gives a fiddler's lick what sort of person you prefer bedding? You couldn't tell your close friends one-on-one - no, you gots to announce it to the WORLD!

rynthetyn:ciberido: rynthetyn: ciberido: Gyrfalcon: All four? I mean, I give him/her/it/them credit, but I don't think you can be all four at the same time, especially if you're going transgender. I think you have to pick one.

A bisexual woman can legitimately claim to be lesbian, gay, and bisexual all at the same time.

Lesbians can (and often do) use the word "gay" to describe themselves. It's not for men only.

While not all bisexuals consider themselves to be gay/lesbian, many do. And while many bisexuals see bisexuality as a "third" orientation, neither gay nor straight, some bisexuals see themselves as both gay AND straight.

And the younger they are, the more labels that I've never heard of they seem to add. At the risk of sounding like an old fogey, kids these days seem to have come up with as many different labels as there are non-hetero people.

Here's another one for you: heteroflexible.There's also "bi-curious," but that's not all that new.

Oh, there's way more than that. I've been working categorizing a research survey where we allowed respondents to self-identify and you've got 13 or 14 year old kids using strings of labels that a queer theory grad student wouldn't have heard of 5 years ago.

When the high school student in Parsippany, N.J., came out, he did so in front of the entire school. His classmates responded with a standing ovation

Is this even a big thing anymore? We get it, you like to gobble the cock. Good for you. Since when is someone's love for penis worth a standing ovation?

Gays want the same treatment as eveyone else, right? So why can't we just shrug, say 'meh.' and get back to what we were doing? It's not like I am gonna make an announcement that like really enjoy throwing down on some clam strips.

MythDragon:When the high school student in Parsippany, N.J., came out, he did so in front of the entire school. His classmates responded with a standing ovation

Is this even a big thing anymore? We get it, you like to gobble the cock. Good for you. Since when is someone's love for penis worth a standing ovation?

Gays want the same treatment as eveyone else, right? So why can't we just shrug, say 'meh.' and get back to what we were doing? It's not like I am gonna make an announcement that like really enjoy throwing down on some clam strips.

These outing announcements are getting more and more like baby pictures on FB.The party involved is all like, "Ooh yeah, best day ever, the whole world cares!" when, really, I have to read the names by the pics to figure out whose unique and wonderful ball of pink that is.

i'm pretty sure everyone already knew this. drama queen is right. i knew of a person such as this in high school. he didn't ever come out. several of my fellow classmates were shamed by his friends for suggesting that he was (i will be kind here) light in his loafers. The fact that he dressed like Madonna and talked in a falsetto voice kinda tipped us off. Why do gay men have to talk like that? I often heard his real voice, it was a deep manly voice. then after high school he got AIDS and died. true story.

munko:i'm pretty sure everyone already knew this. drama queen is right. i knew of a person such as this in high school. he didn't ever come out. several of my fellow classmates were shamed by his friends for suggesting that he was (i will be kind here) light in his loafers. The fact that he dressed like Madonna and talked in a falsetto voice kinda tipped us off. Why do gay men have to talk like that? I often heard his real voice, it was a deep manly voice. then after high school he got AIDS and died. true story.

The same thing happened in my school with two different guys (minus your ending.) In my experience, one kid grew up, got a PhD and now lives in Paris with his husband. The other now makes TV commercials/films for a living and has won two Emmys.

Why do these people feel compelled to get up in public and proclaim their desire for sexual activity?

Has never nade sense. Will continue to make no sense. I don't draw a crowd into the public square and announce my preferences. Neither do you, unless you're on Match.com

This bullshiat of public declaration is seedy and low life. Get a farking grip and deal with your own problems. Don't drag everyone else into it.

You might want to read the dude's speech. It pertained to bullying, which is a real problem. It's bizarre to sit back and tolerate people stepping on others for being gay, then act indignant when they stand up for themselves.

"Hey, I'd like to announce that I am, in fact, a swinger. My wife and I have an open relationship. We have sex with whoever we want. Sometimes in groups. You have no idea how long I've hidden this from everyone, and now I'm ready to come out and be proud of who I am"

As a gay man... I don't really know, other than pettiness. This "LGBTQ" stuff annoys the hell out of me. "GBT" is still annoying, but I'd be happy with that.

Clemkadidlefark: Who gives shiat.

Why do these people feel compelled to get up in public and proclaim their desire for sexual activity?

Has never nade sense. Will continue to make no sense. I don't draw a crowd into the public square and announce my preferences. Neither do you, unless you're on Match.com

This bullshiat of public declaration is seedy and low life. Get a farking grip and deal with your own problems. Don't drag everyone else into it.You might want to read the dude's speech. It pertained to bullying, which is a real problem. It's bizarre to sit back and tolerate people stepping on others for being gay, then act indignant when they stand up for themselves.

The guy received a massive standing ovation immediately. The kids have been well trained. Doesn't sound exactly like a den of intolerance there.

Yup, you know you're gonna look it up, and then you'll be really confused.

/my def: female body that wants to be in the middle, and my gender expression follows along the same lines. Freud would love me; I really do have penis envy, but I like all my girly parts too. :P//no ts surgery for me; the psychs would probably lock me up in a padded room

ciberido:rynthetyn: ciberido: Gyrfalcon: All four? I mean, I give him/her/it/them credit, but I don't think you can be all four at the same time, especially if you're going transgender. I think you have to pick one.

A bisexual woman can legitimately claim to be lesbian, gay, and bisexual all at the same time.

Lesbians can (and often do) use the word "gay" to describe themselves. It's not for men only.

While not all bisexuals consider themselves to be gay/lesbian, many do. And while many bisexuals see bisexuality as a "third" orientation, neither gay nor straight, some bisexuals see themselves as both gay AND straight.

And the younger they are, the more labels that I've never heard of they seem to add. At the risk of sounding like an old fogey, kids these days seem to have come up with as many different labels as there are non-hetero people.

Here's another one for you: heteroflexible.There's also "bi-curious," but that's not all that new.

A friend of mine doesn't care for the term "bisexual." She prefers to refer to herself as an "opportunist."

MythDragon:Gays want the same treatment as eveyone else, right? So why can't we just shrug, say 'meh.' and get back to what we were doing? It's not like I am gonna make an announcement that like really enjoy throwing down on some clam strips.

Wayne 985:You might want to read the dude's speech. It pertained to bullying, which is a real problem. It's bizarre to sit back and tolerate people stepping on others for being gay, then act indignant when they stand up for themselves.

Anyone who refers to themselves as a "LBGT" deserves to be slapped upside the head.

Is it really important for us to know what a person enjoys having intercourse with when it is not related to the denying of a right that other members who do not enjoy having intercourse with the same have especially when it does not involve someone we are pursuing for a possible relationship? I enjoy having intercourse with females between the ages of 13 and 50 I have also been known to have intercourse with men of the same age range though I prefer females. No I have not had intercourse with anyone under the age of 18 since I turned 20 but that doesn't mean the desire is not there I just do not act upon it.

nyrB:Wayne 985:You might want to read the dude's speech. It pertained to bullying, which is a real problem. It's bizarre to sit back and tolerate people stepping on others for being gay, then act indignant when they stand up for themselves.

Anyone who refers to themselves as a "LBGT" deserves to be slapped upside the head.

and why is that? Should I be smacked upside MY head because I'm transgendered and Pansexual?