I can't think of more than a passing mention to the UCAS military in the books I own. Most of the military info is more fluff than hard data. They talk about who's badass and who's where, but they don't really get into specifics. What sort of information are you looking for?

Data available about the UCAS armed forces is thinly spread in a lot of books. From what I remember...

- Seattle Sourcebook, New Seattle and Runners Havens describe Fort Lewis, McChord AFB and Everett Naval Station.- Neo-Anarchist Guide to North America mentions the last UCAS submarine base in New London, Connecticut. Plus, the maps in NAGNA and Shadows of North America show that Norfolk is in the CAS (and San Diego in Aztlan, but that was more obvious).- NAN1 tells the Sioux Wildcats bombed a radar base within UCAS territory.- Fields of Fire says the Colt Cobra is the standard SMG in the UCAS Army.- Rigger 3 and SOTA:2063 gives the name for some UCAS armed forces vehicles

I think the unspoken assumption (which is actually spoken a lot) is that if the shadowrunners are dealing with the military, they're already hosed. So hard numbers aren't really required. If you need to know the UCAS table of organization for a run, odds are that run is doomed from the start.

From that perspective, there's really no numbers from a book that would be any better than numbers you just make up. I'd guess the Aztlan has the largest military in North America, followed closely by the UCAS, and then the CAS, Sioux and PCC and on down the line. How those militaries are structured is anybody's guess.

Figuring that the UCAS military is pretty similar to the current US military in structure (if not size), then the US Army Table of Organization might be a good place to start.

Since the president is trying to increase the army NOW, maybe the current strength would be a good idea for 2070. Clinton reduced the army from its size in the 1st Gulf War, so I think it is currently a good idea for am uch smaller UCAS.

I know the country is smaller in land mass than the USA but it does have the bulk of the population and has to keep armed borders with CAS and Souix Nation so they do need a good standing army, right?

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I know the country is smaller in land mass than the USA but it does have the bulk of the population and has to keep armed borders with CAS

Is the UCAS/CAS border actually fortified?I imagine it more like the US/Canada border today - after all, UCAS and CAS are not enemies, they split peacefully over political disputes IIRC. There was no Civil War 2.0.

Since the president is trying to increase the army NOW, maybe the current strength would be a good idea for 2070. Clinton reduced the army from its size in the 1st Gulf War, so I think it is currently a good idea for am uch smaller UCAS.

Psst, Bush 1 did that not Clinton. He also scheduled the second drawdown. The third was all Clinton and the fourth Bush 2.

Clinton did the most damage- the USS Cole can be blamed on him directly. they kept up the fighting fleet but stripped the support fleet- like deep water tankers, so we needed to be in Yemen for refueling.

but to keep this on topic. Yeah the size of the army has never been defined. gotta figure if you are up against regulars with gun ships, MBT's and lots of tech toys, you a seriously hosed.

if Clinton hadn't gotten rid of the support ships, the navy would have stayed at sea to refuel and nott been sent into a terrorist hotspot. also the hwite house gave orders limiting the guards on the ship, unloaded rifles, don't want to offend the Yemeni so even if a sentry did see the obat in time, he couldn't do anything to stop them with an empty rifle.

if Clinton hadn't gotten rid of the support ships, the navy would have stayed at sea to refuel and nott been sent into a terrorist hotspot. also the hwite house gave orders limiting the guards on the ship, unloaded rifles, don't want to offend the Yemeni so even if a sentry did see the obat in time, he couldn't do anything to stop them with an empty rifle.

You do realize that the President, with Congressional approval (from a Republican controlled congress for Clinton), just approves a list submitted to him by DoD right? You also know the ROE can be set by people other than the PotUS right? It is done a lot of the time by State Department or DoD itself with no Presidential interference at all.

- Neo-Anarchist Guide to North America mentions the last UCAS submarine base in New London, Connecticut.

Don't forget Bangor, Washington or Bangor, Maine. While I'm sure that the Western Bangor is in the hands of the Salish (or some other NAN, but I believe it's the Salish), the Eastern Bangor is certainly still in UCAS hands (unless Quebec -really- expanded, but somehow I doubt that). Of course, it could have been shut down...

I seem to remember hearing about Bangor. With the loss of Hampton Roads Where would the UCAS base their fleet out of? Brooklyn and Philadelphia navy yards are given over to commercial shi-s. New York and boston are really convoluted harbors.

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