Stalinism Lives in South Africa: Was Nelson Mandela a Secret Communist?

Writing in Dissent in that same period, professor of African studies Richard L. Sklar pointed out that South Africa’s Communists had rejected “a fundamental ideological shift from Leninism to democratic socialism,” thereby revealing its members were sticking to their true Leninist roots. Jordan at the time feared that internal tensions in his country “might cause us to move in a Stalinist one-party direction.”

More than a decade has passed, and one must say that Rian Malan’s fears, expressed in his recent book review, are well-taken.

Currently, one corrupt government after another has taken power, and instead of a thriving multi-party democracy, the seeds of one party rule, led by the ANC and its Communist allies, are doing all they can to hold onto power. Under the leadership of Jacob Zuma, he writes, “the rich have grown richer; hospitals and schools continued to degenerate; corruption remained endemic.”

Totalitarianism and the Soviet Union may have disappeared, but as Malan puts it, it “lived on in our political style.” He reveals how just as Zuma and his side purged the former president and once Marxist Theo Mbeki, when the press arrived, they pretended to have a united front and that no one was opposed to the brutal manner in which Mbeki’s removal was orchestrated by Zuma’s thugs. “The ANC,” Malan writes, “was serenely united; any talk of divisions was the work of enemies.” The ANC leaders, “like their Soviet mentors, thought their subjects were entitled to nothing, not even explanations.”

The question, as Malan says: how long can revolutionary martyrdom be used by the ANC “to discredit opponents and stifle dissent?” How long can the ANC leaders see themselves “as the only legitimate power in South Africa, entitled to rule ‘until Jesus comes back?’” Last August, police of the ANC regime fired on striking miners near Johannesburg, killing 34 and wounding hundreds, just as the apartheid government had done in well-chronicled attacks on the old liberation movement in the years of apartheid.

Malan says that “violent strikes are spreading, and the smell of anarchy is in the air.” All Malan can say, looking towards the future of his country, is “God help us.”

So it seems that the ANC now sees fit to use the same tactics the old Soviet state used against its opponents. Killing miners, the very working-class whose support it once sought, is now fair game to preserve stability and to prevent any movement rising that could challenge the hegemony of the ANC as the only force that holds political power. Leninist tactics, without a socialist regime, is the mechanism of political rule, evidently, to this day.

At least, now that the truth is out about Nelson Mandela’s political roots and the influence of the Communists in South Africa, we should not be surprised when, soon, that country’s troubles again hit the front pages.

UPDATE:

My friend, the journalist James Kirchick, has just informed me that Malan had a longer article on Mandela and his Communist Party membership last year. Indeed, Malan provides much more substantial evidence in this version, and as he writes, it was completely ignored in South Africa.

89 Comments, 49 Threads

Perhaps the most frightening aspect of communist influence in South Africa is the subsuming of Afrocentrism or Pan-Africanism or “black supremacist” doctrines throughout formerly segregated societies. I see this same melding of communism and black nationalism in the U.S.A., often taking the form of anti-white, anti-”money power” populism among American blacks. See http://clarespark.com/2012/12/01/petit-bourgeois-radicalism-and-obama/.

Huh. I thought Mandela was a communist, back in the 1980s. Wasn’t sure how ideological he was, versus being a communist of convenience, given that the West supported, to a degree, the apartheid government, and the USSR supported the ANC.

Mandela hardly committed any crime, he was one of the front guys. His associates were the ones who engaged in the early days, until he was locked up with some bomb making, but he was pretty much out of it. Additionally, the only countries that were prepared to help these fellows were the Communists countries and they had to show some affinity to their ideas otherwise, the reds in Moscow would not show kindness to them. Furthermore, the South African P A C, and the SAF Communist Parties were “all in”, yet the ANC had the numbers, and they all banded together much like the PLO, Hamas, Salafists, Hizballah, Islamic Jihad, etc…By the time the newly trained “revolutionaries” came back from Cuba, Moscow, Mandela was cutting stones in the prison ‘s quarry, as soon as they got to power all that remained from the “Communist operating System” were some empty slogans, lots of bad habits, like thieving, stealing, bullying and bribes. Surprised?

A conservative Canadian Member of Parliament was censured and shamed for refusing to participate in the usual “All Praise Nelson Mandela” shennanigans, citing the same objections, that is, that the Great Leader was a Commie.

Mandela’s Communist proclivities seem to have been a secret only from Mr. Radosh. The worldwide, “anticolonial”/”Third World liberation” movements were Soviet-funded from the get-go, and sought to replace Western colonialism with the Soviet variety. Same with the “civil rights movement” in the US. Even though the USSR is no more, its successors remain in the US, in South Africa, and many other places.

Exactly 1389AD, I’m always amazed at how the red diaper doper babies seem to be all agog at the creeping communism in all the black liberation crap movements of the world. Thanks to these lefty tools in Britain, US and the West, a lot of innocent whites have been murdered by their precious 3rd world black savages. Read “Into the Cannibal’s Pot” by Ilana Mercer for more on SA.

I remember all the excitement when Mr. Mandela was released from Prison on Robben Island in The Republic of South Africa. The media was there for his first speech to crowds on his release. “Comrades” was one of the first 3 words out of his mouth. That’s when he told me who he was….

Yes, but most Americans are completely unaware of it. Amnesty International, a group that had pretty loose rules for who it considered to be a political prisoner, never considered Mandela to be one. While American radio stations played the popular “Free Nelson Mandela” and the nation called for his freedom Amnesty saw him as a criminal – a murderer of innocent people.

Why does Mr. Ellis think “Mandela was pulling wool over the eyes of the West”? They knew, we all knew. Conservatives couldn’t say anything for fear of being labeled racist. Democrats and their European counterparts simply didn’t care.

So everyone played along like Mandela was some kind of African George Washington.

Exactly. Strong suspicions but unable to voice due to ‘Angel’ status appointed to black men like Mandela. One can build a very strong case that life is much worse in South Africa now than 20 years ago. But, hey, the important thing is that those evil white men were forced to give up their farms, banks, and businesses.

It does seem that the World is setting itself up for a race war of epic proportions. I am not advocating for this, merely making an observation.

Why is this “news” to anyone? Mandela’s closest white friend/supporter in South Africa was, famously, Joe Slovo, the most well-known Communist in the country. Did anyone believe that this was coincidence?

Sadly, this is something the author should have known about because the champions, facilitators of Mandela were guilt ridden Jewish and Indian Communists, (members of the media, legal profession) much like Radosh’s parents and their buddies. Not only that he was a believer, he was fed with the Communist myth going to college and becoming a lawyer. The entire ANC operating system, was based on Communist principals and talking points. It was simply a way to attain power, anyone who spent enough time in the region knows that this was not out of core beliefs, but simply a method of taking charge. They got power and proved to be bad Communist and even worse capitalist, they are proceeding in killing the Afrikanner farmers who feed the continent, many platinum mines are closing because of labor unrest, if Mandela lives long enough he will be able to see with his own eyes how a country goes from being the most prosperous nation in the continent to become one more failed state-another Zimbabwe. Give it time…it rots from within….

Are you referring to one Patrick Van Rensburg, who defected from the Afrikaners, and wrote a book called Guilty Land?
Another interesting figure was Philip Kgosana, who talked an angry African crowd out of massacring some white police officers – only to be imprisoned later by the regime of Verwoerd, and later to escape abroad.

As British Africa decolonized after WW II, there were two ways many African students found to study abroad. One was through Commonwealth Scholarships, http://cscuk.dfid.gov.uk/ which still takes many Africans for study to universities in Canada, the UK and to a lesser extent, New Zealand and Australia. The other was to Patrice Lumumba university in Moscow, http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1995-11-05/news/1995309007_1_patrice-lumumba-dream-school-moscow , a notorious recruiting ground for Soviet era agents and their fellow travelers. A few received training in other places notably Israel, France, Belgium, & the United States.

One could argue that the totalitarian / militaristic methodology of Stalinism is naturally & easily adapted to the customs of African tribalism & that the Brit Colonial Office people of the 1950′s forward were willfully blind to the notion that leaving Kenya, Nigeria, Ghana et. al with a “parliamentary system” didn’t automatically engender forthwith the functioning of those places as parliamentary democracies along the lines of the established Dominions.

I also think that its fair to say that the deification of Mandela in the West and the loss to the West of the resources of first Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) and now South Africa represents the greatest Soviet / Russian triumph of their foreign services since the 1917 Revolution.

As side points, several items: First, its interesting that Obama senior came to the USA–not the USSR–for his studies and STILL turned into a dyed in the wool Marxist as is evidenced by his writings.

As an “honorary” (I am white with no connection to Africa) member of the African Students’ Union at a Canadian campus thirty years ago (my organization shared an office with them), I was a frequent guest at the campus African parties. I once asked a particularly vocal individual if it was theoretically possible for a black man to be a racist. His response was loud and vociferous that it was racist even to ask the question.

It would also be amusing to tally up the numerous African employees of the United Nations and its subsidiary organizations and see how many list Patrice Lumumba U as their alma mater.

You missed the reference to Chief Albert Luthuli who was president of the ANC from 1952-1967. He was a Christian who put his principles before politics and a man opposed to resorting to violence. That is why Mandela (and certain other people in the ANC) went behind his back to promote the armed struggle and establishing of the militant wing of the ANC.

It would be worth reading a recent book “Albert Luthuli: Bound by Faith” by Scott Couper (2010).

Mr. Radosh, I thought it was well known that Mandela had been a communist. This wasn’t a debate I followed the most closely, but my recollection of the Reagan adminstration’s response to the attacks on our relationship with South Africa in the 1980s was that many of the leading ANC figures were communists and that we did not want South Africa following in the direction of Nicaragua. Personally, I was surprised and pleased that Mandela actually did seem to change a bit and that he did not take South Africa in a more totalitarian direction (although there’s room for criticism.

I just read Dana Milbanks article at investors.com about the absence of transparency in the 0bama administration. The point of the article was how Pres 0bama talks about it but doesn’t practise it. Then there is Pres 0bamas mystery trip to Pakistan in the ’80s. Frame this all up with departing Ron Pauls speech about what a hard sell Freedom has become. Very interesting, kind of feels like an “invisible hand.”

so, another african country bites the dust. gosh, i’m shocked! shocked i say! recently i watched a documentary on how the white african farmers were being killed or forcefully removed to turn their land over to the ‘real africans’. it then showed the same once productive farm land overgrown and wasted. followed, once again, by the mental images of the bloated bellies of really poor children w/o food. one follows the other, like night follows day. even as i look out my door and watch the 250+ lb. ‘poor’ kids in this country waddle down my street eating twinkies and talking on their free obama-phones.

its comforting to see how socialist/communist/marxist doctrine still produces such a wealth of fairness and prosperity in a once prosperous continent. the name of the ravaged country changes, but the cause and the catch phrases remain the same.

reminds me of my high school football team. we never won a game, but we always had the best cheering section.

You were shocked about Nelson Mandela? Wow. Shocked you were shocked. I am waiting for the day when planeloads of white South Africans flee from the murder and racism hunting them down and seek asylum here. And then we’ll see the left expose themselves even further for the racialist scum they are by DENYING them never having the guts to say it’s because they are WHITE. And we need the room for the brown Mexicans whom we can count on to vote Marxist/socialist.

And where is the international outrage? Where are the awareness concerts? Where are the frequent marches in the street? Where are the non-governmental Human Rights Organizations?

White Europeans have to develop Identity Political organization and a racial consciousness, else they will become the new Jews. Abused and ill treated, picked off as individuals by other organized tribes.

It’s as simple as that. Either rejoin the natural fight for survival on this planet, or shrivel and die. That really is the choice.

Your statement of half the whites having left South Africa since 1994 is a guess.

The comparison of the murders to the Iraq wars depends on how many were actually killed there. However, according to the South African government’s own figures (Department of Statistics) about 350 000 have been murdered in South Africa between 1994 and 2012. A study by the reputable South African Medical Research Council to test these numbers has found that the actual number of murders is significantly higher. I am convinced that these crimes have been encouraged by the philosophy of the African National Council and Mandela that the end justifies the means.

To Canada’s credit, they allowed a white South African asylum seeker entrace to Canada under the UN Refugee agreement a couple of years ago. Mine own Brother in Law, my sister born and raised in America is married to a Boer and has permanent residence status there, he had a devil of a time getting paperwork through to allow him to immigrate to the US. So they are ready to leave fairly quickly if things deteriorate rapidly. There children hold dual citizenship do to my sister being their mother….so she and the kids can come without any other papers. The US really gave him a run around and eventually we had to contact Jim Demint’s office to get it out of bureaucratic stalling and obfuscation.

I have no idea why the Netherlands doesnt have a Law of Return with regards to the Boers, whilst they import Morrocans hither and tither, to destroy their country.

European peoples better wise up, and that includes White European Americans, and the other Anglo Nations.

Is it possible? Some of Saint Mandela’s congregation now see him with feet of clay? “Have had the wool pulled over…”?

Highly cultured persons of superior intellect, historical awareness, insight, wanting only “the good of the people” could not possibly have been mistaken. In their choice of champion, methods and putative aims? Which HE never made secret.

We’ve been here before with other Saints to follow to paradise. They too were highly cultured, intelligent, with historical awareness and insight, wanting only the “good of the people”. They too knew all about the importance of racial and sexual differences among the peoples in their charge.

Their fans in all civic institution of propaganda/education, law and courts with the drive from the People cheered them on. The murders of millions and millions of compatriots and foreigners and the material destruction of their worlds to pave the way to their paradises. One short-lived, another for over 70 years. A third extant.

Those who became disenchanted did not however say they “had the wool pulled over” but simply “We Didn’t Know”.

Are we now embracing a New Age Messiah with power over “how the world turns” with his/their Dream of a postmodern, post-racial, post-sexual world? At what price?

What shall his congregation say when his/their Dream has been fulfilled?

See South African Israel and the West in Midstream January 1995 and don’t forget the Zulu opponents of both apartheid and Mandela. Also see Peter Pham’s article in Foundation for Defense of Democracies: The Russian Bear Returns to Africa or check world defense review http://worlddefensereview.com/pham082108.shtml

During the 1990 Mandela Victory Tour across America, he stated that Fidel Castro and the principles of Cuban communism were to be admired and emulated. Mandela also down played the roles of Ronald Reagan and G.H.W. Bush for his release from prison. So not only is Mandela a communist but he is an ungrateful communist at that. The current regime in DC reveres Mandela. Hillary Clinton made a trip to South Africa in August to pay homage to him. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak…

Africa is a cesspool of despotic and corrupt Marxist/Moslem leaders who live in palaces while their hapless subjects starve. I remember as a kid watching the commercials depecting the starving children. 40 years later, the grandchildren of those pathetic souls are still starving. 40 years from now their grandchildren will most likely still be starving. This is the fault of the rulers of all the African nations who don’t give a damn about their own people.

He was and is a perilous communist agent at the service of HM Government. lol lol lol
Mandela was never a commie. The ANC was composed of lefties and liberals that had nothing to do with communism, socialism.

Frankly, who cares whether he was a Communist or not. (Commentary Magazine made a claim to that effect in the 1980′s — can’t find the source). The big thing was he was able to cut a deal with the Boer leadership to keep the lid on for at least a generation, and it worked.

Would be argue that because Mandela was a Communist somehow the goals of the ANC and the overthrow of apartheid were illegitimate? SA is not now a Communist country and is unlikely to become one it is against the course of history. That Mandela was a Communist is of no consequence then or now. Black South Africans were brutally repressed under apartheid and they are far better off now than when Mandela came on the scene. They are at least in control of their own destinies.

Brutus you can make the claim that “Black South Africans were brutally repressed under apartheid and they are far better off now” if you conveniently ignore history.

During the National Party apartheid rule from 1948 till 1994 less than 30 000 were killed in South Africa (about 7 000 “political killing” by the police and military and much of the rest in blacks on black conflict. Compare this to the number murdered in South Africa since 1994 of around 350 000 or to the 40 000 and more killed in the current Syrian conflict over 18 months.

Speak to intelligent black and white South Africans with a clear memory of the situation going back to the fifties. Ask specific questions about the actual situation to determine if it is in fact better now for the majority than it was say in 1960 or 1970. Compare the health care at government hospitals, the public schools, the ability of people to get a job and feed themselves, the relative cost of living, and the levels of crime between then and now. You may be surprised at how many are certainly not “far better off now” but facing appalling poverty while the ruling political elite have grossly enriched themselves with the president earning more than many first world leaders.

It is time to drop the political rewriting of history, to go back to the primary sources and rewrite South Africa’s history honestly. That country has a messy history (like most others) but while many whites there patronized blacks they were certainly not brutal. Similarly many blacks have been given a bad name because of African Nationalism but there were people like Albert Luthuli, a far better role model than Nelson Mandela. (see my reply to 12 above for references)

Makes no difference now if he was a communist.
The real question is what will happen going forward in S.A.

My guess is that the tribal/ethnic (e.g., black tribe vs black tribe; all blacks vs whites) values and cultures will once again predominate and SA, like most African nations will become a bloodbath of warring tribes.

Tribal cultures are simply incompatible with a representative democratic (just look at the Arab nations) form of government.

Within a few years after the passing of Mandela, look for a new black govt. in SA to “divest” all assets from whites, nationalize all means of production, and begin very harsh discriminatory policies against black tribes that do not have power. The aggrieved black tribes will of course fight back and the mass exterminations will begin.
What else is new in Africa?

You mean you didn’t know??!
I am ‘gob-smacked’, as they like to say.
The ANC was founded by the SACC.
Yes, well, Americans were sticking it to the “brutal” apartheid regime all these years in blissful and self-righteous ignorance and now the chickens have come home to roost.

It should certainly be no surprise to Mr Malan that Mr Mandela was a communist in the 60s : Rian was a member of the white liberal intellectual mafiosi in the 70s where communism had the extra elan of being illegal. Nelson Mandela spent the time in prison, separated from the ANC in exile, while his successor, Thabo Mbeki was being groomed, with finishing school after Sussex University at Patrice Lumumba. After 1994, Mandela was a unifying figure but the real power always lay with Mbeki who organised the Gramscian long march through the institutions of state and tried to silent any debates within the ANC, to the detriment of the genuine democrats of the UDF who fought injustice from within South Africa during the 80s and found themselves, trade unionists included, displaced by the cadres returned from exile. Zuma may have been a foot soldier for the ANC but he is a crude populist not an ideologue who has bought loyalty with financial favours. South Africa is rapidly becoming a kleptocracy for the well connected. Communism as a coherent ideology may have facilitated the transition but greed has overwhelmed any idealism. And the left in the west remains as silent as it does on the rise of islamism.

every white in South Africa was aware that Mandela was a communist. Indeed, because of legal pressures, most of the opposition had the choice between silence or joining with the communists, except for a few church groups which quickly morphed into communist backers.

The real problem is that Xuma has been openly planning to copy Robert Mugabe. So if he throws out all the whites, coloured and Asians from South Africa, presumably the European liberals will look the other way at the millions of refugees whose famlies have lived there for 400 years.

Mandala, like Obama, bought a constituency of sloth and stupidity with the promise to “redistribute” the nation’s paychecks to anyone who who would rather vote for a living than earn one. The problem in every country in the world is not communism or any other ism; the problem is the world’s billions of contemptible human garbage who vote themselves onto other people’s paychecks and with the help of their media/academia accomplices maintain an acceptable self image by redefining their tax funded, work-free profits as “social justice,” instead of political exploitation.

“Readers of Foreign Affairs in the 1980s will recall Thomas Karis’s campaigns against troglodytes who claimed that the ANC was communist-dominated.”

I didn’t read Foreign Affairs, but I thought it was generally understood that the ANC was a communist movement, and that the only people bothering to deny it were the kind of people who wouldn’t have been upset by yet another communist take-over anyway.

I always assumed that it was the collapse of the Soviet Union — the driver of most worldwide communist subversion — that made Nelson Mandela consider alternative models, and which made the yielding of power by South African whites an option.

Serious historians of the ANC have long demonstrated that communism, anti colonialism etc were only some of the ideologies that shaped the movement. Social liberalism was another.

Mandela was not and is not a Mugabe.

You claim he was a stalinist. Had he been one, he would still be in power.

The whites of south africa!!!!! Well, my family is certainly white and they had plantations in Africa (Mozambique, Angola and South Africa.

Well, let me put it this way: they were and are a bunch of nazis!! I certainly do not agree with what happened to them but…they were damn racist…my cousin had blac servants and treated them like sheit!! This TOO was a TRIBAL CULTURE, wholy incompatible with western democratic virtues. Are these the whites that you are referring to???? The whites that support Le Blanche embody these western, whitish, democratic culture???? Fine exemplars of democratic virtue indeed!!

As for the paper How to be a Good Communist, I am very familiar with it. Yet, is it not strange that Mandela did not implement any of the ideas contained in it?? (single party rule, radical redistribution of wealth, nationalization, class warfare)

Should we regard the FM Botha and DeKlerk as Mandela’s co-conspirators??? Would they have negotiated with a Stalinist??? Or with a communist?????

The ANC was a movement inspired by many ideals. As with all movements it lacked a coherent ideology. They were more united by their hatred of apartheid than by any common ideology. Most of Mandelas best allies were LIBERALS, not commies.

Thanks for the display of emotive white guilt. It was entertaining. What ever happened to DeKlerks ex-wife by they way? Your cousins servants could have sought other gainful employment, no? He was a nazi. Gotta it. Ummm.. yeah.

Would 350 000 South Africans have been murdered since 1994 when Mandela became president of South Africa had he followed the example and advice of Albert Luthuli and not undermined this wise man? I think not.

Mandela may have entertained leftist ideals but his political life was characterised by accommodation and negotiation.

This great man was never a fanatical ideologue. He was and is a pragmatist, above all.

You lot are the fanatics!! The present President of the European Commission was in his university years a radical leftist, a maoist. Would you classify him as a commie today???? Churchil was a liberal and a conservative?? What was he???? Thomas Jefferson was inspired by the revolutionary ideals of European enlightenment (equality under God). Was he a communist? The Kibutz was a communitarian experience that some could justifiably consider leftist. Would we consider Israel a communist country????

Do not judge the whole of a man’s life because of 1 pamphlet. Its not only intellectually dishonest. Its quite repugnant.

Would 350 000 South Africans have been murdered since 1994 when Mandela became president of South Africa had he followed the example and advice of Albert Luthuli and not undermined this wise man? I think not.

Has Mandela ever admitted the terrible consequences of his ideology that the end justifies the means (which continues to damage South African society every day) and that Luthuli was right? Certainly not! (Incidentally much of the hurt caused by white nationalists in apartheid South Africa was for the same reason – following the same ideology)

Anyone who still thinks there was any merit to apartheid South Africa should read Tramp Royale by the late science fiction writer Robert Heinlein. Tramp Royale is not fiction; it’s a travel book he wrote in the 1950s and couldn’t sell to a publisher. One of the countries he visited was South Africa, and he saw clearly (and reported frankly) on the nature of the regime.

(Note to anyone who thinks Heinlein was a wussy liberal: read Starship Trooper, The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress, or Red Planet.)

We live in a messed up world and part of that messed up world are the ideologies and the consequences that flow from them. One of these is apartheid. But having said that, responsible and honest South Africans who were adults in the 1950s and see what is happening there today see that it is far worse for the majority of citizens because of a foolish, self-serving, self-enriching leadership clinging to another messed up ideology that should have died like the dinosaurs.

Read of the financial scandals around the South African president Zuma that were exposed in detail today. Even Mandela does not have clean hands and has been stunningly silent about all the corruption in the presidency and among the ANC leadership.

Oh, I am the emotive one: you are the one using the killing of Marina as an argument.

Should I use the thousands of blacks killed during apartheid to win the argument?????

My cousin, my Unt and her husband were and are profoundly racist. To be honest with you, they got what they deserved. They escaped, smuggled funds accross the border into south africa and moved into Lisbon, where they still live in luxury.

Is that FAIR??? You gotta be kidding me!!

Apartheid was an insidious system. Im sorry, but if you treat people like sheit, what the hell should you expect?? That they will treat you nicely?????

Ive met racist afrikaners. These were the people that sought support from Hitler against the Brits.

Calm down Mr Liberal… I cannot respond to all your allegations, but let me try.

Boers fought a bitter war against the British in 1899-1902 in which they saw 20% of their population perish in concentration camps. Large numbers of surviving Boer girls and women were raped and sexually exploited by English soldiers in that war. The result was a latent hatred of all things English. This is the underlying reason for Afrikaners culturally neutral stance during WWI and WWII. But Afrikaner leaders of South African did fight on the Allied side in both these wars — in spite of the bitterness about the Boer War. You smearing them as Nazi’s is not only outrageous, but indicates quite a bit more about the failure of the leftist mind to parse facts into coherent conclusions.

As for the apartheid era, SA economy grew at double its pace today. Living standards and life expectancy of South Africans peaked in 1992, when social development was at its best ever. Apartheid was racial segregation similar in scope to the segregation of the American South, but it lasted longer and was more draconian. During the apartheid years, the Boer Government of South Africa built more than 20 colleges and universities for blacks, and by 1992 some of these were reaching the status of good to excellent. After 1992, well, let us say.

As for treating workers like shiite, I am sure this happened, and also happens in the USA, even today. I do not extrapolate that to the entire American population, as you do to Boers. You see, conservatives do not stereotype people in this way.

“Should I use the thousands of blacks killed during apartheid to win the argument?????”

What blacks? Who did they represent? Who did the die for? Who killed them? You are one emotional twat.

“My cousin, my Unt and her husband were and are profoundly racist. To be honest with you, they got what they deserved. They escaped, smuggled funds accross the border into south africa and moved into Lisbon, where they still live in luxury.
Is that FAIR??? You gotta be kidding me!!”

I’ve been to Lisbon. Luxury isn’t what I call it. Racist, communist ANC was limiting the transer of every white family funds out of SA to $60,000 IIRC back in 94′. I am sure there were banks willing to hide that, for a fee of course, on the way out. More power to them. You seem to have an “envy” schtick regarding your family. Heh.

“Apartheid was an insidious system. Im sorry, but if you treat people like sheit, what the hell should you expect?? That they will treat you nicely?????”

White people are being murdered today in SA for their skin color. You can Google the Afrikan murders… I won’t post the link here. The 6 month year old white baby burned to death was enough for me.

“Ive met racist afrikaners. These were the people that sought support from Hitler against the Brits.”

Maybe the fact that the Brits sent those rebelious Boers women and children into concentration camps and over 26,000 of them Afrikaners died back in 1901. Hate isn’t spontaneoues.

We also think liberals are deceitful, intolerant, narcissistic, selfish, arrogant, elitist, dangerous, oblivious to facts and easily taken in by any mass murdering dictator (Mao, Stalin, etc) as long as the dictator claims to be a socialist or communist.

In the late 50′s or early 60′s, when the MSM still had a streak of honesty, it was reported that of the 32 members of the ANC’s Central Committee 23 (TWENTY-THREE) were open members of the South African Communist Party,forever removing any doubt in my mind that Mandela was a Stalinist stooge and no suffering, Christ-like figure.

Any other nation on this planet ever gone from total domination by a minority to ‘let’s start over like nothing happened’? I don’t think so. The chances of bouncing back without a ripple are zero, had the situation been reversed the ‘civilized white man’ would have exacted a revenge that left the former oppressors decimated if not annilated.
The backlash has been significantly less than predicted, of the whites I know who ran for cover have at one time or another expressed their desire to return ‘ home’ but financially they are unable to reverse their flight. They left in haste saying we were mad to remain in the land of Cain, but I’m happy here except for the fact that there is still a hungry mass of humanity fed on lies and empty promises. Our future rests with the younger generations, schooled as equals and less prone to harbouring fanciful thoughts of being superior.
Instead of living in the past and scratching the scabs off of old sores we should look to a brighter future, because after all is said and done the future is all we have to live for. I love the New South Africa and the freedom that we have. There is no high wall nor electric fencing around my home to afford me a false sense of security. The ‘free world’ is facing hard times and are no longer free, as I go about my daily tasks I can’t help noticing that the despicable laws we suffered under Calvanistic apartheid rule are now being entrenched in the former ‘free’ states/ countries in the west. Detention without trial, prison sentences for reasons undoubtably obscure, media one sided and censored – designed to protect the ruling ‘elite’, dubious laws being passed in secret, citing “National security” as the reason why you can no longer trust your neighbour, a harsh and jackbooted approach to citizens by all forms of Authority from customs and border control to police and Security Agencies, prisons filled to overflowing and drastic steps to control the masses from peacefully declaring their opposition to the status quo. To name a few.
It’s you my friends that have mountains to climb, freedoms to regain, atrocities to to survive, while our people heal and build anew. Hope is alive and well in this wonderful land of ours and yes, time will tell. While we ponder our own fate the writings on the wall, the hurdles that we’ve passed are now in your domain, but you have electronic spies from which escape is rare, so instead of condemning us you should say a prayer for the freedoms that united you are no longer there.

You were easily taken by Lenin’s maxim, Sir. To the point of quoting him in support of your argument.

Lets see: all liberals are idiots because they are taken by commie propaganda but you do not hesitate to quote Lenin, the supreme commie!!!

How should I interpret this??: 1) that you are an idiot or 2) that you are a commie???

I would appreciate any help with this conundrum.

You should be pleased to learn that when the term was used it DID NOT refer to LIBERALS but rather to pacifists like Bernard Shaw and others. Liberalism is NOT socialism. Would you consider John Stuart Mill a socialist??? Or Rawls?

You are most welcome.

PS: recently you were defeated by “useful idiots.” What does that make you? An idiotic loser?

I was not aware that Mandela’s Communist background was not previously widely known (and acknowledged). I can remember reading about his connections to the South African Communist Party 30 years ago in John Birch Society publications.