Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every persons position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the FAQ and RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate and remove the ads - it's free!

Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

Originally Posted by Lursa

For one thng, it's hypocritical and useless to do so.

And second, we look weak because we've been trying to 'use' our might thru isolation for decades and failed.

How is it at all hypocritical? All the examples you've given to support that reflection have been debunked. And secondly, no. The only failure in that would be ending the embargo now and with absolutely no reason to do so.

Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

Originally Posted by Lursa

So it's not about right or wrong, just what's convenient? And screw them if they dont have anything to offer us? Fine...then lift the artificial, useless restrictions that make us look even more weak (since they didnt work) and hypocritical.

Our Sanctions have worked just fine, the Cuban leadership simply doesn't care.

This is like saying if you have a kid who's using drugs, and then asks you for money, which they promptly use for drugs, you shouldn't cut them off.

because if you cut them off and for ten years they keep using drugs then your sanction is silly and useless. The Cubans could've ended the embargo at any time. they chose not to. their loss.

Now what are we going to do? we now have a reputation of a country that's a pushover. Obama is literally the worst foreign policy negotiator known to man. this is on top of the Successful withdrawal from Iraq, the Red line in the sand, protests over a youtube video that hadn't even been released at that time (but what difference does that make?) the JV team, and the fact that the Baghdad government is providing the arms to the kurds we've asked them to right?

this whole administration has been a foreign policy disaster. the next president will have to take drastic action to restore our international standing.

Remember when TR sent the THE GREAT WHITE FLEET well neither does anyone else, that's the problem.....

It's not at all hypocritical to set conditions that a western country right off our shore adopt a constitutional republic. Saudi is a country of Arabic heritage, if you've studied the history of that people you wouldn't be surprised at how they are today

and they are the spiritual head of a faith of 1.5 billion people, Cuba is not. for it to be hypocrisy we would have to be comparing apples to apples. Saudi v cuba is a mustard seed to pumpkin comparison...

Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles

No one cares about your stupid hippy logic

"Be careful of averages, the average person has one breast and one testicle"
-Dixy Lee Ray

Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

Originally Posted by Fletch

Because we didn't do it with those countries is not a reason to repeat the mistake. I don't have a problem with opening relations with Cuba. But I think we could have and should have made it contingent upon some concessions on rights and democracy in that country.

It is not our business to tell other countries what their govt should be. We tend to fail miserably and it's very hypocritical since we only do what is in our best interests...like CHina. And look at the change there with normalizing foreign relations?

Originally Posted by Bucky

I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.

Originally Posted by applejuicefool

A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

Originally Posted by clownboy

China is not sitting off our shores, nor does Cuba have a sizeable market we were trying to break in to.

Look, you just got caught making history up. Quite literally. You claimed we weren't embargoing China. We most definitely were. All you needed to do was pick up a history book to know that. However, you didn't and now you're looking REALLY bad trying to segway into another ridiculous argument. I've done my job, can you do yours and admit you REALLY didn't know what you were talking about?

I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality. - MLK

Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

Originally Posted by clownboy

How is it at all hypocritical? All the examples you've given to support that reflection have been debunked. And secondly, no. The only failure in that would be ending the embargo now and with absolutely no reason to do so.

Didnt see a single, 'debunk.' LOL

People can write stuff, doesnt mean it's true.

And having a more open, prosperous country off our borders is certainly a greater advantage than the current situation.

We have failed for 50 yrs, now we can look magnanimous and make some moves that enable Cuba to open up economically and in terms of human rights. We arent forcing regime change, but making efforts that will enable it.

Originally Posted by Bucky

I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.

Originally Posted by applejuicefool

A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

Originally Posted by Hatuey

Look, you just got caught making history up. Quite literally. You claimed we weren't embargoing China. We most definitely were. All you needed to do was pick up a history book to know that. However, you didn't and now you're looking REALLY bad trying to segway into another ridiculous argument. I've done my job, can you do yours and admit you REALLY didn't know what you were talking about?

Oh good grief, stalk someone else. Okay, I was wrong, we were embargoing China. So? China has billions of customers and we really wanted into that market. We're talking about Cuba here and you still utterly fail in showing any sort of compelling reason to end their embargo.

Re: Cuba leaves talks on US ties insisting it won't make major changes to its system

Originally Posted by Lursa

Didnt see a single, 'debunk.' LOL

People can write stuff, doesnt mean it's true.

And having a more open, prosperous country off our borders is certainly a greater advantage than the current situation.

We have failed for 50 yrs, now we can look magnanimous and make some moves that enable Cuba to open up economically and in terms of human rights. We arent forcing regime change, but making efforts that will enable it.

Well then, we can open up relations when they become open and prosperous. We haven't failed for 50 years, Cuba has. There is no advantage for us to change the policy.

And of course you haven't seen a single debunk, you're married to the argument that the US is the world's big brother and if their economies are failing we need to step in.