General Appendix F comments

Why aren't principles established? Principles should be established. For instance, access points [for names with prefixes, etc.] should be based on common practices in the country where the author resides or publishes, with examples for only a few major languages or countries. This would allow practices to evolve. Suzuki for CC:AAM TF on RDA Feb. 5, 2008

I had assumed that the rules in Appendix F were based on the principle of using the name elements and the ordering conventions of Reference sources in the language/script in question. MYERS 2/8/2008

Get rid of the instructions in Appendix F entirely, by way of reference to the document in F.0.2 footnote 1. We cannot use the argument that not many people have that document, as we incorporate by reference many other external documents that are also not commonly owned. Weiss 2/10/08

If these instructions are retained in RDA, I see no rationality in putting these instructions here rather than where they apply in chapter 9. Neither length nor limited application is a rationale in an online product. Weiss 2/10/08

If these instructions are retained in RDA, we need to be clear on what a phrase like "Icelandic name" means:

the language of origin of the name?

the country of residence of the person?

the language of the person?

the ancestry of the person?

something else?

any of the above? (If so, what to do when the instructions conflict?)

This ambiguity has long been a problem for training, remembering, and consistency. Weiss 2/10/08

F.0 Scope

F.0.1

F.0.2

F.0.3

F.1 Names in the Arabic alphabet

F.1.1 Additional instructions on names in the Arabic alphabet

F.1.1.1 Scope

F.1.1.1.1

F.1.1.2 First element

F.1.1.2.1

F.1.1.2.2

F.1.1.2.3

F.1.1.3 Essential parts of the name

F.1.1.3.1

F.1.1.4 Order of parts

F.1.1.4.1

F.2 Burmese and Karen names

Regrettably, this reviewer has no expertise in Burmese names. However even from limited experience in copy-cataloging Burmese, it is obvious that Burmese names have far more issues than addressed by AACR2/RDA. The Task Force urges JSC to identify a source of expertise in Burmese and work with that person in enhancing the guidelines on Burmese names. Suzuki for CC:AAM TF on RDA Feb. 5, 2008

F.2.1 Additional instructions on Burmese and Karen names

F.2.1.1 First element

F.2.1.1.1

F.2.1.2 Term of address, etc.

F.2.1.2.1

How do we know which term represents the highest honor? Knop for Fieg, ATLA, 2/10/08

F.2.1.2.2

This instruction refers us to 9.7. 9.7 is a very short section. Is the reference in F.2.1.2.2 correct? Knop for Fieg, ATLA, 2/10/08

F.3 Chinese names containing a non-Chinese given name

F.3.1 Additional instructions on Chinese names containing a non-Chinese given name

F.3.1.1

F.4 Icelandic names

F.4.1 Additional instructions on Icelandic names

F.4.1.1

F.4.1.2

F.5 Indic names

F.5.1 Additional instructions on Indic names

F.5.1.1 Early names

F.5.1.1.1

F.5.1.1.2

F.5.1.1.3

F.5.1.1.4

F.5.1.1.5

F.5.1.2 Modern names

F.5.1.2.1

F.5.1.2.1a.1

F.5.1.2.1b.1

F.5.1.2.1c.1

F.5.1.2.2

F.6 Indonesian names

F.6.1 Additional instructions on Indonesian names

F.6.1.1 Scope

F.6.1.1.1

F.6.1.2 First element

F.6.1.2.1

F.6.1.2.2

F.6.1.3 First part of the name recorded as the first element

F.6.1.3.1

F.6.1.3.2

[EXAMPLE+]: Compare with LCRI 22.26C1c: When a heading established under this rule ends in an initial, make the reference called for ... from the next to last element only when the next to last element is a full name:

Joko Budi S.
x S. Joko Budi
x Budi S., Joko

Incorporate the text of the LCRI 22.26C1c into 6.1.3.2. Keep the RI's Joko Budi S. example, and additionally add an example of the first part of the instruction:

F.6.1.5 Names containing place names

F.6.1.5.1

F.6.1.6 Names of Chinese origin

F.6.1.6.1

F.6.1.6.2

F.6.1.7 Titles

F.6.1.7.1

[EXAMPLE+]: Despite the provisions of this rule, similar in RDA and AACR2, the title "Haji" or "H." is not recorded as part of the heading in actual contemporary cataloging practice. Omit the H. Djuanda example. Substitute AACR2's example: Rusli, Marah (title Marah used as a personal name). Although it makes sense to keep Haji on the list of honorifics in Appendix G, specify that Haji is not routinely recorded as part of the name. Suzuki for CC:AAM TF on RDA Feb. 5, 2008

F.6.1.7.2

F.6.1.7.3

F.7 Malay names

This section does not document a recent trend in Malay names, the linking of two names used by the author with the @ sign (short for the word atau, "or"). The question was raised on AUTOCAT late in 2007. Example: Sato Hirobumi @ Rahmat Abdullah. Document practice for this type of name: Record the first name of the two names joined by @ as the preferred access point. Record the second name as a variant. Thus:

F.8.1.2

F.8.1.3

F.8.1.4

F.9 Romanian names containing a patronymic

F.9.1.1

F.10 Thai names

This section does not document a recent trend in Thai women's names, the practice of recording the woman's maiden name in parentheses preceding the woman's married name. It is particularly common when a Thai woman marries a foreigner. Example: Apikanya (Parichabutr) McCarty should the name be established as: Apikanya (Parichabutr) McCarty or Apikanya Parichabutr McCarty or Apikanya McCarty? Document practice for this type of name. Establish without parentheses as: Apikanya Parichabutr McCarty, but not Apikanya McCarty (Name appears as: Apikanya (Parichabutr) McCarty) Suzuki for CC:AAM TF on RDA Feb. 5, 2008

F.10.1 Additional instructions on Thai names

F.10.1.1 General guidelines

F.10.1.1.1

F.10.1.1.2

F.10.1.2 Royalty

F.10.1.2.1

F.10.1.2.2

F.10.1.2.3

F.10.1.2.4

F.10.1.3 Nobility

F.10.1.3.1

In the third example, where and what is the title? Explanatory notes under each example would be helpful. Knop for Fieg, ATLA, 2/10/08

Agree. Weiss 2/18/08

F.10.1.3.2

F.10.1.3.3

F.10.1.4 Buddhist monastics, ecclesiastics, and patriarchs

F.10.1.4.1

F.10.1.4.1a.1

F.10.1.4.1a.2

F.10.1.4.1b.1

F.10.1.4.1b.2

F.10.1.4.1c.1

F.10.1.4.1c.2

There is a reference to 9.3.8. But there is no 9.3.8. Is this a mis-citation? Knop for Fieg, ATLA, 2/10/08

F.10.1.4.1c.3

Just a note here. It appears that this kind of name is treated in the same way as bishops under the Holy Roman Empire are treated when they were rulers or held executive positions. Knop for Fieg, ATLA, 2/10/08

F.10.1.4.1c.4

F.11 Recording surnames that include an article and/or preposition

The JSC should also consider retaining initial articles on surnames. Arabic and Persian sources listing names by surname will retain the article while filing on the letter following the article. Members of the Arabic NACO Funnel from Egypt have questioned the practice of removing it. It would improve internationalization and the technology is available to permit it. Initial articles on surnames should be retained, although not filed on. Suzuki for CC:AAM TF on RDA Feb. 5, 2008