20 Noah, a man of the soil, proceeded to plant a vineyard. 21 When he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and lay uncovered inside his tent. 22 Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father's nakedness and told his two brothers outside. 23 But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it across their shoulders; then they walked in backward and covered their father's nakedness. Their faces were turned the other way so that they would not see their father's nakedness.

John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

you were talking of 'righteousness' when you said: "All men are sinners and fall short of the righteousness of GOD." and not sinlessness.

I agree that probably none can be sinless, but many can be righteous. And it is righteous to whom God has promised forgiveness and Salvation.

The quote says that Noah was righteous.

And according to the following quotes righteous will be the ones that God will reward the heaven to, that is in contrast to the Christian rhetoric that God needs a sacrifice for us to achieve salvation.

Psalm 34:19A righteous man may have many troubles, but the LORD delivers him from them all.

Matthew 13:43Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

So the righteous will be successful in the hereafter even according to what's left of the previous scriptures, and the Quran confirms it.

3:15..."For the righteous are Gardens in nearness to their Lord, with rivers flowing beneath; therein is their eternal home; with companions pure, and the good pleasure of God."

Hasan

Edited by honeto - 21 May 2008 at 3:16pm

39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

I don't think the matter is as confusing as you seem. Its much simpler.

Let me recap and make it further simple:

You claimed that "All men are sinners and fall short of the righteousness of GOD."

I agree all men may be sinners, but men can be righteous. I quoted your Bible to prove my point: Genesis 6:9"Noah was a righteous man"

Then you said, "righteous but not sinless" (thus needing Jesus' sacrifice for salvation)

I showed in reponse that to the righteous God will show His Mercy and forgive their mistakes toward salvation. (no sacrifice or ransom needed, remmeber God has power over everything, if He says "I forgive", is there anything or anyone that can challange that?

And I quoted these verses from your book:

Psalm 34:19A righteous man may have many troubles, but the LORD delivers him from them all.

Matthew 13:43Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

If there is still any confusion, let me know and I will explain further,

Hasan

Edited by honeto - 29 May 2008 at 12:58pm

39:64 Proclaim: Is it some one other than God that you order me to worship, O you ignorant ones?"

No confusion here. Maybe this will help you.

"reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work."

John 3

8He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work.

Luke 19

10For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost."

Hebrews 2

14Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might destroy him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— 15and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.

Psalm 34:19 does not necessarily deal with the after life- more of this life.

John 3
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Believer, your above quotes need not be challenged as wrong. But they are not useful because they are not related to the issue at hand. It is shown to you that a righteous man will shine and is saved by the Grace of God. Also, if one is called righteous then he is free from sin. A sinful man will not be called righteous by God Almighty. How can a man be righteous and sinful at the same time?

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