KP:Just because the base of the southern division of the PLA is located in Guangdong, doesn't mean that everyone in the Army is Cantonese. When they had to station troops in Hong Kong, they had to give Cantonese training to the troops.

Hi guysI think there is one elemantary thing that you guys have to make clear firstCantonese and Mandarin are both two of the many dialects in China,with the latter one mainly spoken in Beijing,Chinese,generally is referred to the language spoken in China,it's just that as time goes by,people tend to regard Chinese as Mandarin.So personally I really figure that Cantonese is just one dialect of Chinese!

..............mandarin is a national language. other name for canton is yue for its language.canton is part of han chinese tribe.and japanese is an outsider who borrow 1.000 more words from chinese. this is the foolish argument i had ever seen.

I recommend this web page http://www.ylinn.com/BBS/BestArticle.aspto anyone who want to know more about Yue or Lingnan history.3 articles strongly recommended -- 共來百越文身地--嶺南文化根, 粵語口語的古渶語詞 and 回望嶺南(轉載) but Simplified Chinese, sorry to someone who can't read.

I personally would like to see this thread move so far down in the priority list that it doesn't appear on the first page anymore at all. I'm quite sure that the majority in this forum will share this opinion. The only way to make this happen is by not responding to this thread anymore.

So if right now you're considering to write flaming responses -JUST DON'T! It's not worth it anyway. Put this thread out of it's misery.

HKB wrote:coz we were probably dangerous. cantonese soldiers and combat regiments were always the most feared by China's enemies. Recall General Yuen Sung Wun or the 72 martyrs, etc. we R dangerous.

Language changes over time. Using that kind of meaning does not mean that we have different origins. Chinese has 2 origins, the North and the South. If you believe the Cantonese had been mixed with the North, the anthropologists would never find out. It's up to you believe it or not.

'Chinese has 2 origins', but it actually means that one Chinese are genetically different from each other (I guess: mainly because of different mixing). As I know, there were lots of mix in South Area, but Y gene never change, it can prove that South Chinese and North Chinese has the same grand-grand..father.

I think above story is completely wrong compare to he story told by Prof. 唐作藩of Beijing Univeristy.In 1924 ,there are are two sects of experts arguing about what kind of language is better for common language.Is it Nanjing hua which is National language even until 1850 or Beijing language with some changes in vocabulary and grammar?The outcome is in favour of latter instead of nanjing language with ru sheng and some consonants of southern languages.
There are no prove of Cantonese nearly being selected as National language after Chairman Mao toke over .Why not he selects his mother tongue-xiang hua as the National language?
It has been denied by several Prof.It is just a dream by some cantonese people.

qrasy wrote:'Chinese has 2 origins', but it actually means that one Chinese are genetically different from each other (I guess: mainly because of different mixing). As I know, there were lots of mix in South Area, but Y gene never change, it can prove that South Chinese and North Chinese has the same grand-grand..father.

based on your words of imagination. You wish one father as meaning as same root, which is beyond the work of science. It's ok to accept it as the Southern Chinese having a little mix but not all, 2000 years is generally 40 generations, not much. So there is no way that they could make up the whole Southern Chinese. Humans did not multiply that much as the mortality rate was quite high in the past. If Vietnam never gained independence, they would have been in Cantonese dialect as Annamese. The fate of Annamese did not have much difference from other Cantonese, except only political controls.

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based on your words of imagination. You wish one father as meaning as same root, which is beyond the work of science. It's ok to accept it as the Southern Chinese having a little mix but not all, 2000 years is generally 40 generations, not muchNo, I mean that its that Chinese does not come from annexation of 2 different people, South Chinese is not perfect non-original-Chinese.
If you mean that not all South-Chinese may be Han-descendant, there are so many persons in South China that don't claim they are Han.

If Vietnam never gained independence, they would have been in Cantonese dialect as Annamese. The fate of Annamese did not have much difference from other Cantonese, except only political controls.What do you mean? Annamese is not the same as Cantonese. Their language are very different.

umm chairman Mao is the generation after the story i found.
I guess the link i gave is make sence (just make sence , doesn't mean truth because i don't know which one is truth, either). you could see most officers are cantonese. The link i found is talking about the 1st public gov (the current chinese gov in taiwan island)