Just comes down to what you do with them. 90%+ of wheeling in MI is daytime stuff, and most of that remaining 10% is at speeds what will not run out the range on a standard set of nice driving lights.

You'll find that the are that most 4x4s are lacking is in proper flood lighting in front, behind, and under their rigs.

Our night runs on Slickrock and Schoolbus in Tellico made this painfully clear. Spotters couldn't see the rocks 20 ft in front of the Jeeps. What good are HIDs to light up the 1000 ft in front of the Jeep, if you can't see the ledge 20 ft in front, or the trail behind.

Wow you are really getting dumber. I drive fast at night on the trail and I do alot of night wheeling. Hell in a given year I would say 80% of my total driving is done at night and 50% of my wheeling is in the dark. Have you ever heard of flashlights? Sort of a new technology I know, but flashlights are great for spotters to use at night when trying to locate obstacles and light their way on the trail. you can pick them up at most hardware and thrift stores for a couple bucks. If you want a nice light though try Mag-lite they are almost bulletproof and they are bright for a handheld light.

Yeah, that's a great idea. Go get a flashlight, get in front of a guy that's having a hard time seeing the trail (and apparently driving fast as you say), and then point the light back at him at obstacles.

Wow you are really getting dumber. I drive fast at night on the trail and I do alot of night wheeling. Hell in a given year I would say 80% of my total driving is done at night and 50% of my wheeling is in the dark. Have you ever heard of flashlights? Sort of a new technology I know, but flashlights are great for spotters to use at night when trying to locate obstacles and light their way on the trail. you can pick them up at most hardware and thrift stores for a couple bucks. If you want a nice light though try Mag-lite they are almost bulletproof and they are bright for a handheld light.

LOL. Don't you have trouble with your beer flying out of the bed when you drive fast, though?

Flashlights are a joke compared to real lighting. When you are standing in front of a truck with its lights on, a flashlight will not be enough light for you to see a good picture of whats going on. You'll be otherwise blind, except for a little 2 ft spot for your flashlight. Sorry pal, go do real trails at night. Rock lights, and wide pattern floods that can be aimed downwards are the way to go. If the trail turns every 100 ft, why bother to light up the trees 1000 ft past the trail?

If you actually drive fast down two tracks, then yeah, thats the kind of rig that can use those lights. I beleive I said that. And you are in the small minority of people who do that.

I have a pair of KC Daylighters on the front mounted just below the headlight plane. I have IPF H4 conversions for the headlights and a set of cheap $20 fog lights from walmart mounted low on the bumper for floods. In the rear bumper I have a pair of 55w driving lights that are aimed 1 low 1 high so I can see everything behind me. I also have a Mag-lite next to the drivers seat and a couple of Lazer Brites for various needs of navigating and hiking in the dark.

My jeep is a tow rig, daily driver, weekend wheeler, and even camper for weeks on end. I have never had a lighting problem with anything up close or far away. I have never hit a deer on accident or had anything I couldn't see or handle with my current lighting. If there was one thing I would add it would be a moveable exterior spotlight like they have on cop cars.