I was watching replays tonight and Native World looked gassed to the gills. Could have beat any horse racing tonight! Sutton couldn't even pull this horse up after the wire. He wanted to go another mile! His form suggests nothing of the sort. Horse backed up at riding the rail against same kind of horses at balmoral without ever even being pulled in 1:59 miles in warmer weather. Tonight goes 1:57 1 and could have gone faster in cold weather. How can the horse pace in 1:59 miles in warmer weather at balmoral with the one hole, but go 2 seconds faster at maywood in colder weather going around more turns? Looks fake to me anyways.

JD should interview the trainer and ask him if he had any idea that the horse was going to perform like that and what got into him this cold night? But first, hook up a lie detector to him.

The driver said everytime he has driven this horse he wants to PULL PULL PULL he said it literally is a workout driving this one.... THen tonight behind the gate he was suprised how relaxed the horse was even had to give him some taps at the gate... The whole mile he said he used two fingers instead of his normal hold on for dear life....So maybe the horse finally gets it...

The driver said everytime he has driven this horse he wants to PULL PULL PULL he said it literally is a workout driving this one.... THen tonight behind the gate he was suprised how relaxed the horse was even had to give him some taps at the gate... The whole mile he said he used two fingers instead of his normal hold on for dear life....So maybe the horse finally gets it...

I dont know the lines on this particular horse in question but I do know when you go unchallenged on the lead in 30 to the quarter & 100 to the half with no pressure at all in can relax a horse for sure

How do you know this stone162? are you a driver? or trainer? my trainer told me that horses pull because they are hurting. If something was given to the horse to take him out of pain is why he would be more relaxed. One would think that he would be more relaxed on a mile track rather than a half. Also, 30 and 100 was like going 27 55 last night in those conditions. The horse was treated with something last night thats for sure. Its up to the IRB to find it and take action. Sutton was a passenger.

I dont know the lines on this particular horse in question but I do know when you go unchallenged on the lead in 30 to the quarter & 100 to the half with no pressure at all in can relax a horse for sure

Valid point..Kudos again for your candor and honesty. Too bad your stuff got deleted and everything is back on lockdown. Keep telling it like it is.

How do you know this stone162? are you a driver? or trainer? my trainer told me that horses pull because they are hurting. If something was given to the horse to take him out of pain is why he would be more relaxed. One would think that he would be more relaxed on a mile track rather than a half. Also, 30 and 100 was like going 27 55 last night in those conditions. The horse was treated with something last night thats for sure. Its up to the IRB to find it and take action. Sutton was a passenger.

You very well could be right but I will stand by my statement.......also the fractions were the 2nd slowest of the night at both the qtr and half so there must have been some 25 second qtr by your estimations.....there are plenty of legal treatments that can help a horse relax as well.......not everything is juice........go ban some more members at your own forum

Huh? Was just wondering if you drove or trained because you said the same thing as my trainer did with horses being relaxed and why from one week to the next. not saying they did anything wrong at all just saying the horses was good last night and unless the IRB finds something lets not assume. Sorry I gave you the wrong idea. Welcome.

any ding dong who knows anything about chicago harness racing would have noticed it was the horses first race at maywood instead of bmp which is almost always a huge advantage... not to mention the rail and a bunch of roaches in the race so if you have the slightest clue how to handicap you could figure it out

How do you know this stone162? are you a driver? or trainer? my trainer told me that horses pull because they are hurting. If something was given to the horse to take him out of pain is why he would be more relaxed. One would think that he would be more relaxed on a mile track rather than a half. Also, 30 and 100 was like going 27 55 last night in those conditions. The horse was treated with something last night thats for sure. Its up to the IRB to find it and take action. Sutton was a passenger. I agree with this 100%. It don't matter what the half went in. The horse came home like a freight train out of control and wanted more!!!! In these sub zero conditions not even open pacers pace like that. He could have went another 27 quarter after the finish. Just look at him cross the wire. Looked like Sutton was hanging on for dear life LOL!

I was watching replays tonight and Native World looked gassed to the gills. Could have beat any horse racing tonight! Sutton couldn't even pull this horse up after the wire. He wanted to go another mile! His form suggests nothing of the sort. Horse backed up at riding the rail against same kind of horses at balmoral without ever even being pulled in 1:59 miles in warmer weather. Tonight goes 1:57 1 and could have gone faster in cold weather. How can the horse pace in 1:59 miles in warmer weather at balmoral with the one hole, but go 2 seconds faster at maywood in colder weather going around more turns? Looks fake to me anyways.

All of your posts look fake to me..........I do not have any recent lines on this horse but do have a program from last year, where in FEB-MAR this horse paced 5 of 6 miles in 156 or faster and in the other one he broke.......those miles were from the winter of last year so obviously this horse races better in cold weather.....some horses just race better in the cold, period

All of your posts look fake to me..........I do not have any recent lines on this horse but do have a program from last year, where in FEB-MAR this horse paced 5 of 6 miles in 156 or faster and in the other one he broke.......those miles were from the winter of last year so obviously this horse races better in cold weather.....some horses just race better in the cold, period Some horses race good in cold weather, hot weather, fog, snow, rain, hard track, soft track, wet track, deep track, day, night, mondays, tuesdays, wednesdays, thursdays, fridays, saturdays, sundays, maywood, balmoral, certain drivers, trainers, drugs, feed, so forth and so. Your observation that certain horses race better in cold weather may qualify you for genius of harness racing of the year. In my book and judging from other posters your possibly the biggest *** on the site!!!!

After that score and watching with the ease the horse won. I decided to parley my 40 dollar win ticket on rejoiceandbeglad in the 13th .Well as if it was magical this Mike Brown trained horse raced so much better and also won with ease . I love harness racing when all the stars just seem to come together . Now i'm going to play an even heavier wager on the super bowl . Illinois harness racing is going on a two week vacation so THAT'S ALL FOLKS