Drone U Podcast: Why We Need a "Drone Census"

Every Wednesday on Future Tense, we will highlight a talk from a leading thinker fromDrone Uspeaking on the topic of what our drone future may look like. Drone U is produced in cooperation with the New America Foundation. (Future Tense is a partnership of Slate, the New America Foundation, and Arizona State University.)

This week, Drone U features Trevor Timm, an activist at the Electronic Frontier Foundation who specializes in surveillance, free speech, and government transparency issues. In this episode, Timm focuses on the incentives for the law enforcement use of drones—and points out how little legal protection we currently have from this type of drone use.

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Timm explains that as American military engagement abroad winds down, defense contractors that supply drones to foreign conflicts are increasingly looking for domestic markets to absorb their product. Law enforcement is a prime candidate. In this way, the surveillance use of drones might be “stickier” than expected, leading to a drone market that caters to law enforcement needs over broader commercial purposes. (On the other hand, last week’s Drone U podcast from Mike Toscano suggested that civilian commercial applications, such as agriculture, would outstrip military purposes in the next decade. Time will tell.) Timm also echoed a point made by Amie Stepanovich: Drones are a particularly useful platform for law enforcement tools that already exist, like cell phone interception gear, GPS trackers, and WiFi-sniffers.

But Timm isn’t entirely pessimistic about the prospects of our drone future. He notes that the issue of domestic drones has inspired civil liberties activism unlike any that he has seen. With increasing mainstream scrutiny of law enforcement—whether it be stop-and-frisk or the excesses of civil asset forfeiture—I suspect that many will continue to keep an eye on police drones.

Join us on Aug. 14 for the next episode from Drone U, featuring Margot Kaminski, Executive Director of the Yale Law School Internet Society Project.