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Wed Aug 22, 2007 4:22 pm

McVicar wrote:

Mike S You're only going to be tarnished with the same brush by condoning this behaviour.

Leaving aside his disappointment with the the fan club (on which I'm unable to comment), the other posts you quote are concerned with recommending a particular release or correcting disputed information which is surely what this messageboard is all about.

Previously I wrote:

I have known him for some while now and can assure you that he is one of the most active, helpful and generous fans you could ever hope to meet meet.

This has been my experience and so I stand by my comment.

hot shots

Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:16 pm

... Andrew Hearn: buddy-buddy with Tunzi, FECC and mr Mike S.
This is not a very healthy situation, guys. It kinda stinks big time.
Hearn, next time you address me here, be brave and dont hide
behind your tcb avatar.

Some people have not been here long enough to have got involved in the 'politics' of the 'Elvis World;' in my case you are making connections that simply aren't there.

Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:30 pm

Mike S wrote:Leaving aside his disappointment with the the fan club (on which I'm unable to comment), the other posts you quote are concerned with recommending a particular release or correcting disputed information which is surely what this messageboard is all about.

Sure, that's what this MB is about. Among other things.

He doesn't seem at all biased though.

Does he?

tcb1 wrote:sorry to disappoint you ger, but i ain't Andrew Hearn, i express my views as i see them, just as you do, but you seem to be intimidated by Andrew for some reason, and sorry but i can't help your jealousy or insecurity on that one.

It’s also sad you need to be so bitchy and rude.You make so many assumptions about people but don’t really know a thing, but if you want to go down that road, feel free, but I ain’t, for someone with better things to do with there life, you sure seem to need the attention…

Rijff Intimidated?Please don't tell us you mean in literary terms (scratch that. I mean in any way, shape or form).

Do you remember the posts I quoted of yours above? Seems to me fella that you're the sad, bitchy & rude boy around these parts.When you're trying to besmirch business rivals anyway.

Some people have not been here long enough to have got involved in the 'politics' of the 'Elvis World;' in my case you are making connections that simply aren't there.

Where have I read about 'politics' in the E world lately? Oh, that's right Andy's magazine.

You're not DJT are you? Your secret's safe with me

Wed Aug 22, 2007 8:28 pm

McVicar wrote:

He doesn't seem at all biased though. Does he?

Well now that you mention it, you're right he doesn't, so perhaps you will withdraw your irrelevant remarks? As far as I can see it is you who appears guilty of bias....against anything associated with Andrew Hearn for reasons I am not party to.

Regarding tcb 1's review; it is easily the clearest so far and contains both positive AND negative comments, thereby allowing fans the chance to make up their own mind. In case you haven't bothered to read it, I have included it below. What's more, it's also striking that he has actually watched it; have you?

I have just watched the latest Tunzi DVD Hot Shots 3, and I can say it is a vast improvement on Vol. 2, which was a total rip off to fans world wide…

But vol. 3 was enjoyable for the most part, a couple bits here and there were a little disappointing but it’s the same with everything I suppose..

Highlights were the extended “Jailhouse Rock” Screen test or not, depending on who you believe, I personally don’t believe it to be a Screen test, more of a promotional film perhaps for the movie..

The complete or near complete Houston press conference, that was good to see in great picture quality.

The wedding footage was nice, but sound for the press conference would have topped it off nicely..

The contract signing on set of “It Happened At The Worlds Fair” was also great to see

The “Easter Egg” was a little disappointing as it seemed to be over cropped but at least this time the “Easter Egg” includes Elvis and it had matching sound!!

Disappointing clips were the opening of “Love Me Tender” that should have been a bonus clip or something no real need for it. Just a space filler for the DVD

But marks out of 10 an easy 8.

Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:31 pm

DarrylMac wrote:If you bought a DVD based on the fact it was advertising that it contained the famous Pied Piper of Cleveland footage on it, and it then turned out to be some completely different footage, shot on stage in Cleveland in the 70's, would you still ba happy that you got some new footage, or would you feel aggrieved that the footage you bought the DVD for was mislabled?

It the fact that this DVD was advertised as containing a screen test for Jailhouse Rock. If this footage is something different, then anyone who bought the DVD based on this can feel let down. If it was advertised as saying it was nice backstage footage, then no harm done, but Tunzi has been unable to help himself in making out his product contains something more important.

This is a very good, concise summary of Ger's issue with the footage.

There was no need for, and no evidence of, a "Jailhouse Rock" screen test ->

1 - it is color film, MGM shot the movie in black and white
2 - there is no slate seen at the beginning, standard for official work
3 - Elvis was already contracted to star in Richard Thorpe's film
4 - "Love Me Tender" was a box office smash for 20th Century Fox the previous winter
5 - "Loving You" was finished and set for a July release by Paramount

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That said, no one will deny that Joe is a businessman first, and a fan second, while Ger has always been a super-fan and artist.

Joe may well have seen the footage container labeled as "screen test" and just run with that, in order to generate some excitement, logic be damned. Does that make him right? No. Is it good PR? Yes.

The wise fan knows who is who, and what is what, and with forums like this can make appropriate shopping choices.

Me and JAT?

"Sessions IV"? For sure. DVD stuff? Probably not.

Wed Aug 22, 2007 9:43 pm

drjohncarpenter wrote:

DarrylMac wrote:If you bought a DVD based on the fact it was advertising that it contained the famous Pied Piper of Cleveland footage on it, and it then turned out to be some completely different footage, shot on stage in Cleveland in the 70's, would you still ba happy that you got some new footage, or would you feel aggrieved that the footage you bought the DVD for was mislabled?

It the fact that this DVD was advertised as containing a screen test for Jailhouse Rock. If this footage is something different, then anyone who bought the DVD based on this can feel let down. If it was advertised as saying it was nice backstage footage, then no harm done, but Tunzi has been unable to help himself in making out his product contains something more important.

This is a very good, concise summary of Ger's issue with the footage.

There was no need for, and no evidence of, a "Jailhouse Rock" screen test ->

1 - it is color film, MGM shot the movie in black and white2 - there is no slate seen at the beginning, standard for official work3 - Elvis was already contracted to star in Richard Thorpe's film4 - "Love Me Tender" was a box office smash for 20th Century Fox the previous winter5 - "Loving You" was finished and set for a July release by Paramount

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That said, no one will deny that Joe is a businessman first, and a fan second, while Ger has always been a super-fan and artist.

Joe may well have seen the footage container labeled as "screen test" and just run with that, in order to generate some excitement, logic be damned. Does that make him right? No. Is it good PR? Yes.

The wise fan knows who is who, and what is what, and with forums like this can make appropriate shopping choices.

Me and JAT?

"Sessions IV"? For sure. DVD stuff? Probably not.

Well said Doc and DarrylMac! The part that hurts is, any new footage of Elvis will sell, especially to us die-hard fans, so luring us in with bogus footage claims, will only hurt Mr. Tunzi in the long run.

Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:01 pm

@ Mike S

I had no problem what so ever with Andrew Hearne til I checked out tcb1's posts, I do not like the way he bashes everyone else and puts essential elvis on a pedestall.

Everyone. AND I MEAN EVERYONE, makes mistakes.
Why the dig at Julie Mundy? Anyone will tell you that when she took over from Todd (when he had his health problems) the OEPFC mag was good, she tried to change a few things.

I like her and Trevor and consider them friends which may make me a little bias towards them, yes.
Is that ok with you?

I subscribe to the essential mag (ie: read the DJT interview) and have referred to him as Andy, which when YOU get to see the DVD will notice as a credit at the end. I felt short changed (again) by the JAT DVD hense my hostile approach to it and him.

I hope this is a little clearer for you, I wouldn't want to make anymore "irrelevant remarks".

Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:45 pm

McVicar wrote:

I had no problem what so ever with Andrew Hearne til I checked out tcb1's posts, I do not like the way he bashes everyone else and puts essential elvis on a pedestall.

Firstly tcb 1 is NOT Andrew Hearne and comments made out of context in previous threads are not relevant to this discussion.

I like her and Trevor and consider them friends which may make me a little bias towards them, yes. Is that ok with you?

Fine...as long as your comments are fair, accurate and relevant to the subject.

I hope this is a little clearer for you, I wouldn't want to make anymore "irrelevant remarks".

Great, in that case I would be grateful if you would refrain from implicating me in any unpleasantness, whilst defending your friends in future.

Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:20 am

tcb1 wrote:Who also is running a business and if you feel short changed by Joe, all good and well but perhaps if you bought the DVD direct it would only have cost between £15 - £20.00, not the £27.99 from Elvis.co.uk or £30 something from OEPLC or even the £25.99 from Essential Elvis, but that’s probably me just advertising Essential Elvis, but its not, as I got mine direct from the USA for £15.00 including postage, and at £15.00 I don’t feel short changed, but if I had bought it from either of the above I probably would have. (So my advice if anyone wants it buy it from the USA direct..)

Price is irrelevant when it comes to a product advertised as containing material it doesn't unless of course its free.

With regards to the OEPFC and Essential Elvis - I gave up on both publications a long time ago. OEPFC wasn't worth the investment to me for content and I grew increasingly tired of the constant self back slapping of Essential Elvis. Besides, for my informations purposes I have found this very website and other online Elvis news sites as a good source and often more up to date.

Julie Mundy had a vision with the fan club magazine when she took the helm 10 years or so ago which I liked very much, shame she was not allowed to continue.

Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:04 am

Well I have to say I quite liked it, the '57 color fooage is great [screentest or not], the Houston interview is excellent, and the contract signing at the set of IHATWF is realy sweet !! the only drawback is the music, editing and the title pages, it looks very cheap, almost like the porn movies from Private ...

Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:14 pm

Mike S wrote:McVicar wrote:

I had no problem what so ever with Andrew Hearne til I checked out tcb1's posts, I do not like the way he bashes everyone else and puts essential elvis on a pedestall.

Firstly tcb 1 is NOT Andrew Hearne and comments made out of context in previous threads are not relevant to this discussion.

I like her and Trevor and consider them friends which may make me a little bias towards them, yes. Is that ok with you?

Fine...as long as your comments are fair, accurate and relevant to the subject.

I hope this is a little clearer for you, I wouldn't want to make anymore "irrelevant remarks".

Great, in that case I would be grateful if you would refrain from implicating me in any unpleasantness, whilst defending your friends in future.

You might like to consider that it was you who chose to gratuitously attack tcb 1 and implicated me by suggesting I was 'condoning some form of behaviour.' You then decided to prolong the unpleasantness with a snide comment regarding bias. You should not therefore be surprised to receive a robust response.

Anything to say on the DVD?

As you claim to have seen it, you are better qualified than me to post your view, yet I note that you have made no relevant comment in your 12 posts on this thread to date. Perhaps now we can hear your detailed review of this DVD, or are you only here for the namecalling?

Fri Aug 24, 2007 5:44 am

Hello,

Tallhair 2 wrote:

Thats a criminal act in my country. And Tunzi deserves a beating. He KNEW from the start this 1957 Philly Sports Arena footage HAS NOTHING TO DO with a Screentest. He frikkin made that up, because he needed a sales pitch.

Wrong! As I explained in this thread, the footage was labeled as a screentest when the footage was purchased. In fact, this is how it was labeled:

“Elvis Cinemascope/Color Screen Test –

Elvis is smiling and waving at the camera and has his shirt split open on top revealing a large medallion, second part has him with a guitar, third section medium far shot with guitar, Elvis then takes guitar off and hands it to a guy who walks up to him, Elvis then claps his hands a few times and does some waving.”

So again Ger, there was no deception whatsoever on the part of Tunzi.

Tallhair 2 also wrote:

... Give him a couple o'months before , with the help of some powerful friends on this site, volume 4 will be plugged on a near weekly basis... Forget he will ever have the courage to come on this forum and defend himself. Instead he'll be doing an interview with his buddies at Essential Elvis, and again will say "Putting down his 'quality' products is all a political issue". ... Well, I invite you, Joe, for a open discussion here on the forum. You cant sink any deeper, than you already have. So instead of hiding behind certain people, show your real face. The one with the dollar signs stamped all over.

Sounds to me as if you’re jealous and/or bitter of the simple fact that Tunzi advertises his product.

Tallhair 2 continues:

I just love the idea, Tunzi in a shitty mood, doing the rounds in Memphis...

I seriously doubt it, Ger. Why would Tunzi be in a shitty mood? At least he’s in Memphis every Elvis Week since God knows when. Why weren’t you in Memphis being that you’re supposedly still “important” in the Elvis world? I’ll touch on this matter later.

BK wrote:

Funny enough, when I got that Sinatra Show DVD from him years ago, I was really shocked at the quality. It was - to my eyes - not really better then what I already had on video at that time. But... he promoted it like it was a perfect picture quality, spurring high hopes among the fans and collectors.

Why don’t you compare the sound on Elvis’ two performances as well as the duet to anything that had been released prior to Tunzi’s 2000 DVD and maybe you’ll understand what he’s talking about. Why don’t you check out the material as found on the recent “This Is Elvis” DVD set. In the theatrical version, not only are there black bars at the top and bottom of the television for widescreen but there are also black bars on the left and right. Utter garbage. In the home video version, the performances of “Stuck On You” and “Witchcraft/Love Me Tender” suffer again from a black bar at the top of the screen (done only to bring Elvis’ entire head into the picture). “Stuck On You” suffers from distortion in the picture from time to time.

Tallhair 2 babbles on:

Don't be surprised to see this thread removed in a couple o days. If I dont shut up, King Administrator will take action, and theres a reasonable chance I will be blocked from this site for the 2nd time.... The Toonz can screw anybody, anytime. And no matter what, he will always have the blessings from a certain somebody on this site. They always win.

I know Tunzi has some pull in the Elvis world, but where exactly did he screw you over. You keep talking in riddles.

Tallhair 2 rambles:

I’ve fooled around with some ideas, in recent years, to do more photo books. But nothing has really taken shape. After 20 plus titles, the "holy" fire needed to do it right, one more time, has burned out. But I still do some odds & ends... like helping my friends at the Southern Comfort cd label, and dig thru my photo files to help out on Elvis Unlimited book projects such as Inside Love Me Tender, and other future titles. I know Knudsen isn’t everybody's favorite, but one cant deny the quality of GI Blues and Elvis Is Back boxes. They rampage every Tunzi book in the last so many years. But of course, they, at Unlimited, listen to the advice of old wise men... like me.

Tallhair 2 rambles (Part 2):

And I scarcely buy any Elvis product these days. I'll rather take my kid out on a day to the cinema, or have a nice meal in a restaurant, than buy them warner dvds, lousy books, or FTD/ Sony releases I will give one play... if I can sit them out, from beginning to end. Im not a collector. I listen to music. Not to have complete runs on the shelves, wherther its Elvis or anybody else. And dvds with a 40 dollar price tag, with nearly nothing to offer... nooo way!

Personally, Ger, I don’t buy that bullshit story that you’ve lost the “holy fire.” To be quite honest, I don’t think you have the financial resources to produce another product. Just like I think that you don’t have the moolah to keep up on the latest FTDs/Sony releases or be in Memphis during Elvis Week, hence the jealousy towards Tunzi. If you’re so aggravated at Tunzi’s products/ promotion, wouldn’t that alone be enough motivation to recapture the “holy fire.”

For the record, you’re the one Ger who brought up the “Southern Comfort” label in this thread, hence I felt the subject was fair game.

Tallhair 2’s tantrum:

... Did anybody, while in Memphis, asked the Great Joe Tunzi about the "The Holy Grail" hoax ? Or do most of you don’t care, and leave him of the hook, this easily? Well, I don’t. An apology to all buyers would be the least he could do. But instead we'll soon read the wonderful announcement on the news page, that Hot Shots 3 has been a huge success, and is completely sold out.

Tallhair 2’s tantrum Part 2:

... I have more than one motive to pan the Toonz, and anybody else doing false advertising for the sake of the god almighty dollar. But if I would put them on the table here, I'll be kicked off this site.

Ger, why don’t you e-mail Tunzi if this subject bothers you so much? Apparently you don’t got the “balls” to or you would have already. Speaking of which, before you question whether Tunzi has the “balls” or whether anybody on the board had the nerve to ask him about the screen test, I think you should be checking your own crotch, seeing that you don’t have the balls to post supposed accusations against Tunzi. Heaven forbid the moderators kick you off this message board. I know that just means the world to you, don’t it? By the way, it’s blatantly obvious that your other motive is jealousy.

Ger gets his facts wrong:

Ive checked Elvis Day By Day, once again, this morning, and there's just no way he could have done a screentest during the months of march or april. That brings us back to the Sports Arena in Philly, on april 5-6, the final days of his tour. Three weeks before he leaves by train for LA to start production on Jailhouse Rock. Three weeks! The clothing and leather case guitar match the date of Philly to perfection. Maybe its director Richard Thorpe, handing him the guitar? But that doesnt make that piece of film a "screentest". In a letter from MGM: subject: Presley Story, dated 18th of april, scenes from the actual script are already discussed... thats 12 days after Philladelphia... Check page 24 of my book Inside Jailhouse Rock. I will leave it there. I have no need for more expertice from you Daryl... We know how the threads, with you involved, end.

First off, before you lecture me about “expertise”, I think you should use “spell check” once and awhile. Second, and more importantly, Elvis most definitely could have done a screen test in March 1957. In fact, there are no entries in "Day By Day" for March 1 through the 9, March 11-15, March 20-21, March 24, March 26. Hell, Elvis may have even done the screen test while in Hollywood making “Loving You” in February. Fact is that the footage is not dated.

DarrylMac gets his facts wrong:

Luckily we, and a growing number of fans are all too aware of the real truth - Joe Tunzi has, in recent years, used his reputation to offer sub standard product, at an over inflated price. This, I would add, included Sessions 3, which offered little new information, and as usual, lots of speculation about which soundboards / recordings might exist, without any concrete proof, and he states it as fact.

Documentation of the 12 1969 shows, the February ‘70/’72 material, an even more extensive list of soundboards as well as unreleased highlights than Sessions II. Heck, Ernst doesn’t even come close to even touching this information. Fact is that Peter Guralnick “ghost wrote” the text for Ernst’s “A Life In Music.” DarrylMac, why don’t you ask yourself this simple question: If Tunzi’s Sessions III is based so much on speculation, why has there been so little noteworthy unreleased material released by Sony-BMG/FTD not mentioned in the 656 pages of Sessions III, which was published in 2004? Surely, if anybody can find new material, one would think the “Elvis Hunter” himself, Ernst Jorgensen (as labeled by Ken Sharp and Alanna Nash) can find it. Granted, there were mistakes in Sessions III, many of which were corrected in a second printing. Ernst’s (or should I say) Guralnick’s/Ernst’s “A Life In Music” has it’s mistakes as well, the most troubling being that the book fell apart literally. Add to that the argument “Sessions III” versus “A Life In Music” is a moot argument because “A Life In Music” is not without fault. The first question I have to ask myself whenever I look at either “A Life In Music” or “Day By Day” for that matter is why neither book featured a CD of music, given that Ernst works for Sony/BMG (at that time simply BMG).

As for mistakes in “A Life In Music”:

1. “When The Snow Is On the Roses” was a hit for Ed Ames in 1967, not 1957. (Page 274)

2. Millie Kirkham is listed for both the August 1969 and the February 1970 performances. (Pages 285 and 290)

4. “Burning Love” went to #1 in Cashbox, #2 in Billboard, not #3 (Page 353)

5. “Bitter They Are, Harder They Fall” is labeled as “Bitter They Are, Harder They Are” (Page 395)

6. “Burning Love” outtake on the Platinum box set is labeled as take 1 on one page and take 4 two pages later (Pages 437 and 439)

And these are just some of the mistakes found in “A Life In Music.” Truth be told, If Ernst had done a sessions book properly, there really would have been no room whatsoever for Tunzi to come back with a Sessions III. But as always, Ernst always finds a way to hit it to the warning track, just short of the fence.

Ger wrote:

Give Solt the credit he KNEW what he was doing, while editing the video. The guy is no bloody amateur. And neither am I...

Wrong, This is the same Andrew Solt who in “This Is Elvis” has Ral Donner narrating that the footage of Elvis presenting the ham to then Washington governor Albert Rosellini as Elvis receiving an award from the Colonel for Elvis’ acting. And for the record, the same guy who provided Solt with the screen test is the same guy who sold Tunzi the same footage.

Now, go on Ger, live in your glory days when you were in the RCA vault. And don’t forget to mention the time you and Ernst showed up unexpectedly on Joan Deary’s front door and she slammed the door in your noses as soon as you breathed the words “sessions tapes.” That’s pretty ignorant of you and Ernst to show up without notice. Did you ever think that maybe she had a life outside of “sessions tapes of Elvis” Heck, she might have had family over. How RUDE! (on you and Ernst’s part).

Ger’s state of affairs:

... Andrew Hearn: buddy-buddy with Tunzi, FECC and mr Mike S. This is not a very healthy situation, guys. It kinda stinks big time. Hearn, next time you address me here, be brave and dont hide behind your tcb avatar.

Ger, first you’re jealous of any success that Tunzi has. Now you’re jealous that Tunzi is friends with various individuals in the Elvis world. How pathetic? Don’t feel too bad tcb1, Ger has accused me of being Joe Pirzada, which I’m not. You’re not the first person to go down this road, and I doubt you’ll be the last.

Dr. John Carpenter wrote:

1 - it is color film, MGM shot the movie in black and white 2 - there is no slate seen at the beginning, standard for official work 3 - Elvis was already contracted to star in Richard Thorpe's film 4 - "Love Me Tender" was a box office smash for 20th Century Fox the previous winter 5 - "Loving You" was finished and set for a July release by Paramount

1. Doc, just because “Jailhouse Rock” was filmed in black/white, doesn’t mean that the screen test couldn’t have been filmed in color.2. Even though the film was distributed by MGM, it was still an Avon Productions, which is who the screen test was for.3. Avon Productions would not have been privy to the how Elvis’ screen test fared for Hal Wallis the previous year, nor would they have been privy to how good/bad “Loving You” was since it had yet to be released. Granted, “Love Me Tender” was a box office smash. But I’m sure there were some skeptics in Hollywood who questioned whether Elvis as an actor was going to be a flash in the pan or not.

Tcb1 wrote:

But each has a business; each has to make money, or its bad business. And I’m sure Julie, Andrew and Todd paid more than £15.00 each wholesale by the time shipping was added. But that’s Joes pricing policy which dealers need to take up with Joe, but I doubt if he’ll ever budge on his price, but the more and more people avoid these releases then he may have to re-think, but at this time Joe knows what he can sell and at what price, so I’m sure he doesn’t give a hoot what you or I think.

Tcb1, you bring up a good point. That being that the price, for the most part is ultimately determined by the dealers, not Tunzi himself. The wholesale price is determined by how many the dealer purchases. For example, if you as a dealer bought 30 DVDs, the wholesale price would be $24.00 a DVD (approximately £12 ) plus shipping. Tunzi does offer a “suggested retail price” of $39.95 but it just that, a suggestion. Ultimately, it’s up to the dealers to decide how much they want to charge. Some charge above the suggested retail price (SRP), some charge at the (SRP), and some choose to charge below the (SRP). This creates good competition among dealers. It’s up to the customer to do their due diligence to find the cheapest price, just like anything else, whether it be groceries, or a brand new automobile.

Daryl

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Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:30 am

Hey "Daryl," what's your point? Please, elaborate.

Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:45 am

I don't know sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!! Ger is KOOL!!! And so is Doc!! That I know!!

Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:14 am

Juan Luis wrote:I don't know sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!!!! Ger is KOOL!!! And so is Doc!! That I know!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Trust me -- you are a VERY wise man.

hot shots

Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:52 pm

Hello, "Daryl"

... Since when is it your bizniz, whether I have the "moolah" to buy FTDs, or make a yearly pelgrimage to Memphis? In my posts, Ive never claimed to be important. But Ive done my share of memorable projects. Have you done any?... Me jealous of the Toonz? Now, that's an insult, my man! Out of the 20 plus books that carry my name, none were ever made as a "bizniz" project. It's called a labour of love. There was never any "moolah" coming my way, after Id done my job. Ask any wholesaler/ retailer who bought my books, back then. I was almost giving them away. But again, thats none of your frikkin' bizniz. And let me be one step ahead of you: The 2 titles done for Elvis unlimited were financied by Knudsen. And I was paid a salary for my work. Every photograph and piece of memorabilia included in both volumes came from my private collection. I estimate their value at 10.000 "moolahs".
... Id settled for 4000, for the two titles. Not a great bizniz deal, I have to agree. But not all rewards in my life are expressed in money. Theres something like feeling proud of the work one has done. Im an artist, "Daryl",
and not a money hungry little pain in the... from Chicago.

Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:50 pm

Hello,

Tallhair 2 wrote:

Out of the 20 plus books that carry my name, none were ever made as a "bizniz" project. It's called a labour of love. There was never any "moolah" coming my way, after Id done my job. Ask any wholesaler/ retailer who bought my books, back then. I was almost giving them away. But again, thats none of your frikkin' bizniz.

Ger, the only reason you had to give them away is because you didn't have the knowledge to market them properly, hence you were left with plenty of overstock. From the whispers I've heard, you were also giving copies away to the various fan magazines so that kind reviews came your way. In essence, you were bribing the magazines.

Tallhair 2 also wrote:

Me jealous of the Toonz? Now, that's an insult, my man! Out of the 20 plus books that carry my name, none were ever made as a "bizniz" project. It's called a labour of love. There was never any "moolah" coming my way, after Id done my job.

I guess that's why he's still doing projects on a regular basis and you're not.

Daryl

if its worth a fiver how come its $40

Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:25 pm

i wish i had not posted about this darn dvd, in part i agree with you pep as for the bits we aint seen before and i do mean bits!!
but for someone like ger who has produced lots of decent titles and all with corking photos inside to be getting slammed for his own comments and views is getting out of hand.
the question should be what has mr tunzi brought us of any substance i see and hear a whole lot of promotion but the end product aint as great as it could and should be IMO.
As for Ms mundy i have met her once and she seemed a real decent lass, and obviously loves the king i wish her good luck with the web site!!
iand the publications we have nothing tops the man and his music to me a superb mag.
doc ...if you ever start a stand up routine you will have my money!

Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:13 pm

Sadly I think it's come to the point of having to lock this thread unless everyone plans to continue to offer something with substance or stay on the subject at hand as it appears it's come down to going back and forth with just putting each other down or what One has done or hasn't done.

Ger & Doc I personally have appreciated your views and thoughts along with other members on this thread about the main subject at hand especially when it stayed on the subject at hand. Daryl same goes for You when you stuck to your guns and explained about the footage all was good.

Tunzi I hope will read and learn a little bit about how some fans feel about his projects and inreturn will be willing to do better if he can for any of his future projects.

None of us on this side of the coin have any idea what Tunzi may have paid for any of his material or what he may need to get in return, neverthless the reality, it is none of our business anyway.

Tunzi I hope will really try to do what he once did which was offer good value and the bang for the buck with his projects instead of just making it appear that he is running with the buck.

Mistakes will always be made with any project, lets just hope what One does is not intentional to mislead.

All should remember too, Honesty is a tough word to live up too.

Everyone has their dirty dark little secrets and all the reasons in the world as to why they are Elvis fans.

Lets hope in the future for all concern everyone gets what they deserve.

Working together to help make things better for all should be the point for any thread and any post or web-site for that matter.

So I leave it in your hands for now gentlemen

PEP

Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:43 pm

Hi PEP,

A rough estimate just on the cost of the footage for Volume 3 would be somewhere in the ballpark of $20,000-$30,000 (approximately £10,000 to £15,000). That's just to purchase the footage. That cost does not include editing the footage, having original music put to the footage, artwork for the DVD case, filing copyright, and DVD replication. Add to that the time consumed in trying to locate new footage, whether it be more complete or simply in better quality. Nobody can deny that the quality of the Madison Square Garden Press Conference material as seen in the first two volumes is far superior to anything seen elsewhere.

Let's just say that it's not cheap to do a production for an independent. Why do you think that there are so few independents doing projects anymore as compared to 10-20 years ago. I've always felt that the independents are the ones who really push the envelope, not the big corporations such as Sony/BMG or for that matter, EPE.

Daryl

Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:05 pm

Nobody can deny that the quality of the Madison Square Garden Press Conference material as seen in the first two volumes is far superior to anything seen elsewhere.

Daryl, whether you realise it, or not, you've hit the nail firmly on the head when it comes to Tunzi's ethos these days. Why was this footage split up, and released on 2 DVD's, instead of just 1? Did Joe miraculously come across the 2nd part since the release a few weeks ago of Vol2? Of course not. He simply wants as much money as possible from the fans, and it's another of his awful marketing cons, sorry, tactics.

Fri Aug 24, 2007 9:48 pm

Hello DarrylMac,

How is it a con? Did he ever advertise that the complete Madison Square Garden Press Conference would be found on Volume 1? No! How about Volume 2? No!

It's no different than what Ernst has done in the past with audio releases. I'm positive that he held back certain unreleased recordings for future projects. Examples of this would include the stereo outtakes of "Are You Lonesome Tonight?, the outtake of "Pieces Of My Life" and the duet version of "Today, Tomorrow And Forever" found on the "Today, Tomorrow And Forever" boxset. I'm not naive to the fact that Ernst had these outtakes available for previous releases but held them back. Who knows, maybe Tunzi has something planned in the future where he will present the complete Madison Square Garden Press Conference. Just because he hasn't yet, doesn't mean he won't in the future.

Another point to remember is that for each project, a budget must be established. Budget constraints most likely would have played a part. Ideally, when putting out a DVD, one would hope to have a variety of different material. A complete MSG Press conference would have created this problem on Volume 1.

Daryl

Fri Aug 24, 2007 10:36 pm

PEP wrote:I think it's come to the point of having to lock this thread