OSNews: http://www.osnews.com/story/18476/GNOME_2_19_90_Released
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&quot;What's new&quot; listhttp://www.osnews.com/thread?264136
http://www.osnews.com/thread?264136I miss Davyd Madeley's summaries of new features. I was looking through the features myself, to maybe write a short article with screenshots, but I'm not sure what's in and what's not.

Having said that, the new Clearlooks is fantastic, but the deskbar applet has had some major changes and is now pretty awful looking.Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:45:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (JCooper)Comments...http://www.osnews.com/thread?264140
http://www.osnews.com/thread?264140Here is a list of the changes:

No screenshots so far.Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:07:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (Hiev)Commentslibrary.gnome.orghttp://www.osnews.com/thread?264156
http://www.osnews.com/thread?264156Well, buried in there I found a pretty helpful web site: http://library.gnome.org/

This looks like a new information site for info for users, and lots of information for developers and handy guides (http://library.gnome.org/devel/guides).Edited 2007-08-17 14:35Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:33:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (segedunum)CommentsRE: &quot;What's new&quot; listhttp://www.osnews.com/thread?264163
http://www.osnews.com/thread?264163Where can I find some screenshots of the new Clearlooks?Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:44:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (ThawkTH)Commentsclearlooks screenshothttp://www.osnews.com/thread?264170
http://www.osnews.com/thread?264170Here is one:

This looks like something for techy people. Where are the screenshots? Shouldn't that be one of the first requirements for doing a release of complete desktop environment?

I like GNOME, but it doesn't seem to be for ordinary people, even though they're trying to be exactly that since version 2.0.

Sorry for the ranting, just thought it's a bit ironic.Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:11:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (weirdnut)CommentsRE: Desktop Environment for non-techies?http://www.osnews.com/thread?264191
http://www.osnews.com/thread?264191Quite often reading the text first helps understanding it better. This is only a small development release, not yet a new official Gnome release, so naturally the announcement text here may sound quite techy...Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:27:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (irbis)CommentsRE: Desktop Environment for non-techies?http://www.osnews.com/thread?264194
http://www.osnews.com/thread?264194Excuse me, but actually RTFA - its a beta release - just like the whole 2.19.x series. Stop making such stupid comments about things you know nothing about.Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:31:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (kaiwai)CommentsRE: Neathttp://www.osnews.com/thread?264198
http://www.osnews.com/thread?264198GNOME 2.20 is based on the same GTK+ version as GNOME 2.18 (GTK+ 2.10). The release of GTK+ 2.12 is imminent though, so it'll be a hard requirement for GNOME 2.22.

One major enhancement in 2.12 is the inclusion of GtkBuilder -- the functionality of libglade integrated into GTK+.Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:41:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (kelvin)CommentsRE[2]: &quot;What's new&quot; listhttp://www.osnews.com/thread?264200
http://www.osnews.com/thread?264200Here: http://people.freebsd.org/~mezz/new-clearlooks.png

Running GNOME 2.19.90 on FreeBSD 6.2-STABLE.Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:51:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (mezz)CommentsRE: Desktop Environment for non-techies?http://www.osnews.com/thread?264201
http://www.osnews.com/thread?264201Those are in-development, pre-release notes for what will become a beautifully written and illustrated overview of the new release... when it's actually release time! :-)Fri, 17 Aug 2007 16:57:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (jdub)CommentsRE: Desktop Environment for non-techies?http://www.osnews.com/thread?264206
http://www.osnews.com/thread?264206If Gnome is not a DE for ordinary people, tell me what is.

Expecting a BETA release to be targetted towards ordinary people is INSANE.Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:08:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (ThawkTH)CommentsRE[2]: Neathttp://www.osnews.com/thread?264218
http://www.osnews.com/thread?264218To my knowledge GTK+ 2.12 and GNOME 2.20 will be released together.Fri, 17 Aug 2007 18:01:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (taschenorakel)CommentsHere's a drafthttp://www.osnews.com/thread?264241
http://www.osnews.com/thread?264241But it's not done yet, The new clearlooks(formally Gummy) looks real nice and the new theme UI changes are much better.Edited 2007-08-17 19:51Fri, 17 Aug 2007 19:47:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (SlackerJack)CommentsNew clearlookshttp://www.osnews.com/thread?264255
http://www.osnews.com/thread?264255It just goes to show how much of a divider visual changes can be. I can't stand the new Clearlooks 2.20 widget theme and also prefer the unofficial(?) "Clearlooks 2" metacity theme over any of the ones bundled with Gnome.

I'm running 2.19.90 (or something pretty close), to be honest the changes are once again subtle but overall a nice improvement on 2.18. I much prefer these evolutionary releases to massive breaking ones.Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:03:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (baadger)CommentsRE[2]: Desktop Environment for non-techies?http://www.osnews.com/thread?264257
http://www.osnews.com/thread?264257You sure use "pardon me" and "excuse me" in a lot of your comments...Fri, 17 Aug 2007 21:05:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (baadger)CommentsDesktop Environment for non-techies, part IIhttp://www.osnews.com/thread?264284
http://www.osnews.com/thread?264284All right, I was fooled by the way OSNews brought the news. I'm sorry for that.

In the subject of the article, it does say "GNOME 2.19.90 Released" without any mention of beta's, but I should have continued reading a bit better, I wholefully agree.

btw. I really do think it's funny how actual developers of GNOME seem to be less irritated by my previous post than people who just use the software Sat, 18 Aug 2007 01:37:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (weirdnut)CommentsRE: Neathttp://www.osnews.com/thread?264293
http://www.osnews.com/thread?264293Looking good. Hopefully it will appear in openSolaris download soon. They have not given much details on the widget kit enhancements.

Enjoy! Sat, 18 Aug 2007 03:27:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (tristan)CommentsRE: Desktop Environment for non-techies, part IIhttp://www.osnews.com/thread?264296
http://www.osnews.com/thread?264296If it has an odd minor version (major.minor.micro), then for GNOME you know for sure that it's an alpha or beta of some kind. Stable releases have even minor versions.

Users get to choose when they want to pick a fight over their favourite software. Developers don't - it's shoved in their face every day. That's true for all projects.

Your comment was written in a nasty way as well as being misinformed. I'll look over the nasty long enough to fix the misinformation that others will read... and hopefully you've learned something here as well.

:-)Sat, 18 Aug 2007 04:20:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (jdub)CommentsRE: Desktop Environment for non-techies?http://www.osnews.com/thread?264314
http://www.osnews.com/thread?264314non-techies don't update their desktop environment. They don't even know what a desktop environment is.
They wait for a new release of their distribution and just install whatever they are given.Sat, 18 Aug 2007 15:06:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (jessta)CommentsDocumentation!!!http://www.osnews.com/thread?264317
http://www.osnews.com/thread?264317OMG! That (http://library.gnome.org/) is a thing of beauty and is exactly what I've been pining for! Prior to that, programming Gnome libs and APIs was just a matter of going through doxygen (or whatever software they used) generated API references. I had to scrounge around for tutorials to figure out how to actually USE the Gnome "objects" and libraries.

One thing about Java programmers is many have gotten good at including a user's guide into their code comments so that Javadoc-generated docs stand alone as both user guide as well as API reference.

Thanks go to the people who've been working on library.gnome.org. Will the web site allow for contributions and collaboration by people (perhaps via comments at the bottom a'la PHP.net docs or wiki-style changing with discussions a'la Mediawiki)?Sat, 18 Aug 2007 16:00:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (richip)CommentsRE[2]: Desktop Environment for non-techies, part IIhttp://www.osnews.com/thread?264408
http://www.osnews.com/thread?264408

Your comment was written in a nasty way as well as being misinformed. I'll look over the nasty long enough to fix the misinformation that others will read... and hopefully you've learned something here as well.

Well it wasn't written in a nasty way - it is the fact that this same issue has been bought up again and again and again. These are the same idiots who don't know the difference between 2.2 and 2.20, the same people who come into this forum without doing their homework and spouting off crap they know nothing about.

I mean, if he came in and asked in a polite way whether there was more complete release notes to 2.19.0, he might have found a better reception. The fact is, the idiot knows its a beta release, unless you've been hiding under a relatively large bolder for the last 10 years, its pretty much common knowledge.Sun, 19 Aug 2007 03:50:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (kaiwai)CommentsRE[3]: &quot;What's new&quot; listhttp://www.osnews.com/thread?264418
http://www.osnews.com/thread?264418Hmmm. Imho a step back. I don't like the tabs, nor the new menu selection bar. I prefer the clearlooks version Ubuntu ships, imho the best looking style on linux ATM ;-)Sun, 19 Aug 2007 07:26:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (superstoned)CommentsRE[3]: Desktop Environment for non-techies, part IIhttp://www.osnews.com/thread?264662
http://www.osnews.com/thread?264662Perhaps I'm an idiot, but I am one with a life.

I'm one of those "taking-a-sneek-peek-at-this-linux-thing-every-few-months" guys and try to keep just a little bit up by reading OSNews and other Linux and Gnome/Kde-related sites. Thank you for doing your very best to scare me.

As much as I would love to know about each and every silly thing in this world.. with 24 hours a day of which at least 8 ought to be used for sleep, another 8 for work and the last 8 hours for social activities (you know, things like working out, having sex and having fun), that has just become an impossibility.

Perhaps I was misinformed, but I do not call people idiots and I also do not assume I know 'facts' about people I don't know.

I would happily slap you in the face and call you betty, but unfortunately, I am usually a well mannered and friendly person.Mon, 20 Aug 2007 22:11:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (weirdnut)CommentsRE[4]: Desktop Environment for non-techies, part IIhttp://www.osnews.com/thread?264888
http://www.osnews.com/thread?264888So, you don't want him making baseless assumptions about your character from what was just a corrective commentary, but you feel pretty sure that he:

a. has no life
b. has knowledge about mostly silly things
c. makes poorer use of his 24 hours than you do

Take it easy when telling people to take it easy. It rings more sincere.

Off this topic and back onto THE topic. I have always (well at least recently) liked the Gnome project's look and feel, and the newer iterations seem to accelerate the improvements, if anything. I will, however, be holding out for the full release, as I'm clam-happy with my current Gnome setup.Tue, 21 Aug 2007 22:50:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (diskinetic)CommentsRE[5]: Desktop Environment for non-techies, part IIhttp://www.osnews.com/thread?264919
http://www.osnews.com/thread?264919That's your take on it. I wasn't implying anything and was actually talking about myself only.

If you're doing your best, you could read every bit of text differently then someone meant it to be. I know I'm the bad guy in this story, but please, don't try to see things that aren't there.

Anyhow, one thing we all do have in common is that we think Gnome is nice. No arguing about that.Wed, 22 Aug 2007 00:41:00 GMTdonotreply@osnews.com (weirdnut)Comments