A valid physical release is always preferred, and you must provide evidence of the availability of this physical format. This means a CD, LP, or even a tape. Photographs of the physical release(s) will go a long way into having your submission accepted (whereas blank-looking CD-Rs hand-written in black marker will not)

Well I'm not sure how else to prove it. It is a demo with music on it that has been sold at shows.

I think, Diamhea means that can you show a release of professionalism/non-dubious physical quality? I mean, I could totally grab one of my black CD-Rs, print out your band's logo, write on the CD-R with a sharpie and *Boom*, I have what looks like your demo. Only difference would be that my CD-Rs are black.

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Shadechaser wrote:

But all of them dim and fade 'cause the man named PDS has an other opinion....

Master_Of_Thrash wrote:

All I meant to say was that the band's name doesn't sound ballsy enough for me to listen to it

I submitted a band from Spain called Frozen Shield. Initially I forgot to add the album (an EP) to the submission, but I re-submitted it this morning with the album attached.

The band have released two demos prior to this EP, and if you have a listen to the tracks you'll hear that they are definitely of professional quality. I also linked the studio where they recorded.

The album comes just a minute or so short of 20mins, but also the 20min rule is noted as being "preferable", and I'm assuming that wouldn't be the ultimate reason for its rejection?

These guys have quite a large local following, and I'm just trying to get them out there. Is there anything else I should be doing which I missed? There was no question about whether they are "metallic" enough, so I'm just wondering what exactly the problem with the submission is.

I submitted a band from Spain called Frozen Shield. Initially I forgot to add the album (an EP) to the submission, but I re-submitted it this morning with the album attached.

The band have released two demos prior to this EP, and if you have a listen to the tracks you'll hear that they are definitely of professional quality. I also linked the studio where they recorded.

The album comes just a minute or so short of 20mins, but also the 20min rule is noted as being "preferable", and I'm assuming that wouldn't be the ultimate reason for its rejection?

These guys have quite a large local following, and I'm just trying to get them out there. Is there anything else I should be doing which I missed? There was no question about whether they are "metallic" enough, so I'm just wondering what exactly the problem with the submission is.

Thanks for your time.

They are metallic enough. That isn't really the question. From the Digital EP, it is generally preferable that the digital release has an album cover, as it serves as an Identifier. Under my book (note: my book, could be different from the other mods), a digital release should have an album cover that isn't just a logo on solid black/white background. I'll direct other mods to this to see their opinion and get the general consensus and me or someone else will get back to you.

EDIT: Yeah, wait till the physical. It should be out in a couple weeks.

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Shadechaser wrote:

But all of them dim and fade 'cause the man named PDS has an other opinion....

Master_Of_Thrash wrote:

All I meant to say was that the band's name doesn't sound ballsy enough for me to listen to it

Hi guys!I just tried to register Omega Diatribe band again to the encyclopedia.Sadly I saw the band was blacklisted, 'cuz it's is nu-metal...are you kidding? Please just check it out again.I saw a lot of similar bands in the encyclopedia like Omega Diatribe. (Like: Meshuggah, Fear Factory, Crowbar etc...) Why did we get the "nu-metal" genre?? I don't get it...Waiting for your answer.Cheers,

I´m surprised Deftones has been banned here! Is it a matter of some personal taste of any of the moderators, programmers? I think they need no introduction but here goes some samples on some of their heaviest songs. If this isn´t metal or if this is music garbage then hell, I must be totally insane (well maybe I am anyway)

I´m surprised Deftones has been banned here! Is it a matter of some personal taste of any of the moderators, programmers?

It's a matter of them not being metal. Pleading isn't going to help your case, either.

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nuclearskull wrote:

Leave a steaming, stinking Rotting Repulsive Rotting Corpse = LIVE YOUNG - DIE FREE and move on to the NEXT form of yourself....or just be a fat Wal-Mart Mcdonalds pc of shit what do I give a fuck what you do.

I looooooooove Deftones but it's not metal based on our standards, they're more of an alternative rock/experimental rock band, they can be considered "alternative metal" but most of this genre is hardly metal at all. Call it a bias or whatever you want but we have to trace the line somewhere.

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raspberrysoda wrote:

well... nazi = national socialist. since when is socialism right wing?

I want to submit a doom metal band called AntikytherA from Portland, but it says they have been blacklisted. I have a feeling the blacklisting is in regards to another band since I have found two more named Antikythera from the United States, one of which sounds somewhat hardcore.

I want to submit a doom metal band called AntikytherA from Portland, but it says they have been blacklisted. I have a feeling the blacklisting is in regards to another band since I have found two more named Antikythera from the United States, one of which sounds somewhat hardcore.

Leave a steaming, stinking Rotting Repulsive Rotting Corpse = LIVE YOUNG - DIE FREE and move on to the NEXT form of yourself....or just be a fat Wal-Mart Mcdonalds pc of shit what do I give a fuck what you do.

Hi!I just wanted to add my band Tortured Whorebut it got banned because of this:"Provide proof of metalness (a link to song samples) and valid release (either evidence for a physical release, such as photos, or for a valid digital release). Please read our rules next time."

Hi!I just wanted to add my band Tortured Whorebut it got banned because of this:"Provide proof of metalness (a link to song samples) and valid release (either evidence for a physical release, such as photos, or for a valid digital release). Please read our rules next time."

so you simply ignored that or what?normally your moderators do a reasonable job by checking the links but this was simply not done....

The actual "reasonable job" would have been posting the proof of release and the proof of metalness in the BIIIIIG SQUAAAAAARE box that says "Submission notes". We are not mind-readers. Yeah, the links are in the right place, but that doesn't mean we are gonna play detective when users either forget to or are too lazy to put the proof in the right place.

Hi!I just wanted to add my band Tortured Whorebut it got banned because of this:"Provide proof of metalness (a link to song samples) and valid release (either evidence for a physical release, such as photos, or for a valid digital release). Please read our rules next time."

so you simply ignored that or what?normally your moderators do a reasonable job by checking the links but this was simply not done....

The actual "reasonable job" would have been posting the proof of release and the proof of metalness in the BIIIIIG SQUAAAAAARE box that says "Submission notes". We are not mind-readers. Yeah, the links are in the right place, but that doesn't mean we are gonna play detective when users either forget to or are too lazy to put the proof in the right place.

Link the pics and songs there. It's easy.

Actually, just adding on top of this because I get sick of it, as well. Is it really that hard to do the following when you submit a band?

In the submission box, do this:Proof of Metalness: <insert direct link to samples>Proof of Release: <insert direct link or image of proof and explain where the info is if it's not clear>

As a submitter, you have one job. That job is to provide us with direct proof for what is needed for a band to be accepted. That's it. It's not complicated. You don't have to submit a completed band page; you don't have to make excuses or write long paragraphs about why the band should be accepted; and, we don't require you to do any more than that. It makes our task much easier, and faster, when the only two pieces of information we need are directly given to us and we don't have to search endless links trying to find what we need. If it's not clear to us the first time, we are not going to hunt for it. Period.

There's no reason we should have to spend half an hour looking through links, struggling to find information that you could have provided us with if you weren't bloody lazy to begin with. If you can't provide us with the basic information we need, then we're just going to keep on sending it back to you until you do. Some mods might be nice and do the research for you, but fuck it, if you're not willing to take the time to prove your case, why should we? If that doesn't seem like a "reasonable job" to you, I'm fairly certain there's more than enough folks out there willing to provide us with the information on the band in the clear and direct manner that we ask. If all users did this when they submit bands, the band queue would be cleared and the bands within it judged in a speedier fashion. But nope, we have to deal with folks who refuse to do us the basic courtesy of giving us what we need to move forward. Thanks for that!

Looking for clarification on why Rebel Meets Rebel is not on the site (or "David Allen Coe and the Cowboys From Hell", as Wikipedia calls the collaboration).

I used the search function, I know the music isn't considered metal here (as many mod responses addressed), but I'm curious how this doesn't fit under the side-project rule (which none of the mod responses address). It was a collaboration between 3 of the 4 Pantera members and David Allen Coe, all of which was recorded while Pantera was still together and performing as a band. Is the album just considered a studio collaboration for Coe instead of a new group, or a new band instead of a side-project? Or is it an issue with the label used to release the album, Vinnie Paul's label "Big Vin"?

Actually, just adding on top of this because I get sick of it, as well. Is it really that hard to do the following when you submit a band?

In the submission box, do this:Proof of Metalness: <insert direct link to samples>Proof of Release: <insert direct link or image of proof and explain where the info is if it's not clear>

As a submitter, you have one job. That job is to provide us with direct proof for what is needed for a band to be accepted. That's it. It's not complicated. You don't have to submit a completed band page; you don't have to make excuses or write long paragraphs about why the band should be accepted; and, we don't require you to do any more than that. It makes our task much easier, and faster, when the only two pieces of information we need are directly given to us and we don't have to search endless links trying to find what we need. If it's not clear to us the first time, we are not going to hunt for it. Period.

There's no reason we should have to spend half an hour looking through links, struggling to find information that you could have provided us with if you weren't bloody lazy to begin with. If you can't provide us with the basic information we need, then we're just going to keep on sending it back to you until you do. Some mods might be nice and do the research for you, but fuck it, if you're not willing to take the time to prove your case, why should we? If that doesn't seem like a "reasonable job" to you, I'm fairly certain there's more than enough folks out there willing to provide us with the information on the band in the clear and direct manner that we ask. If all users did this when they submit bands, the band queue would be cleared and the bands within it judged in a speedier fashion. But nope, we have to deal with folks who refuse to do us the basic courtesy of giving us what we need to move forward. Thanks for that!

Well I guess I was wrong. Sorry for that.I thought it would be easier for you if you have the facebook (or any social-network) page for a band where the whole information is stored and you can simply check out everything you need. Every other band I submitted did not had any links in the Submission notes so I did it like I did it everytime.Next time I will do exactly as you said! Sorry again...

OpsiusCato wrote:

19dlb92 wrote:

Hi!I just wanted to add my band Tortured Whorebut it got banned because of this:"Provide proof of metalness (a link to song samples) and valid release (either evidence for a physical release, such as photos, or for a valid digital release). Please read our rules next time."

so you simply ignored that or what?normally your moderators do a reasonable job by checking the links but this was simply not done....

The actual "reasonable job" would have been posting the proof of release and the proof of metalness in the BIIIIIG SQUAAAAAARE box that says "Submission notes". We are not mind-readers. Yeah, the links are in the right place, but that doesn't mean we are gonna play detective when users either forget to or are too lazy to put the proof in the right place.

Link the pics and songs there. It's easy.

I use a program to create my music that is what i meant by everything is programmed. If it was written wrong: sorry but english is not my native language...

Britny Fox started out glam rock, but in later years changed to metal.... I read detailed rules and said must have at least one solid metal album. Springhead Motorshark is solid metal, and bite down hard is Semi-Metal. I believe they should be accepted.

Leave a steaming, stinking Rotting Repulsive Rotting Corpse = LIVE YOUNG - DIE FREE and move on to the NEXT form of yourself....or just be a fat Wal-Mart Mcdonalds pc of shit what do I give a fuck what you do.

Britny Fox started out glam rock, but in later years changed to metal.... I read detailed rules and said must have at least one solid metal album. Springhead Motorshark is solid metal, and bite down hard is Semi-Metal. I believe they should be accepted.

Another Mod can listen to Springhead Motorshark if they want but I'm familiar with all the releases from the band and while they removed a lot of the glam from the first records, then didn't add much in the way of balls either. To me that's a hard rock record with quite a few wimpy tracks on it.

I've been trying to submit a Symphonic Black Metal band called Diabolus Incarnate, and it has been not accepted two times, the first time I forgot important links proving the album is valid, but the second time it says that the band is metal but there's no valid, physical, release. The entire album plus a demo I forgot can be found on Reverbnation both on the the website, and there Reverbnation FaceBook application. Here's a link to there Reverbnation FaceBook application for FREE mp3 downloads of the ENTIRE album and their demo (You can also access their standard FaceBook Page and try to find a link to find where you can buy a physical release of their album because I couldn't find it on the internet ANYWHERE!!!!)

^actually, no - the entire album isn't on reverbnation or the facebook page. According to the album listed - track 5 - "Phantom of the Opera" isn't available for download on either of those pages. Which means, there has still been no proof provided that this album in full actually exists. Unless every track from the album can be obtained, it's not really an album with proper distribution for us to accept. So unless you can give a link that legitimately has every song of the full length available, then right now it doesn't seem like they can be accepted.

ave.this is Wrest of Leviathan.Lurker of Chalice.etc...I'm trying to post TAURUS from Portland.Or.their second full length just came out and it is amazing and most definitely a metal expression...the band is Stevie Floyd(Dark Castle.Cystic Dysentery.etc...) and Ashley Spungin (Purple Rhinstone Eagle)hard to put their expressions in a "genre box"but I use this site almost daily and they definitely deserve to be in these annals

Hey Wrest, I'm currently listening to the new album on Bandcamp. They're blacklisted under the genre "drone/post rock" and I'm on the fence about this album too, it doesn't seem a fully metal band if you know what I mean, some influences here and there but it's more ambient/post than anything.

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raspberrysoda wrote:

well... nazi = national socialist. since when is socialism right wing?

hhhmmm so hard to not name names right now but you've plenty of nowadays "black"metal bands listed that have no right claiming the genres expressions...I think(and I'm not alone)that older metal fans will definitely appreciate Taurus...there is old school death/doom therein.thanks,W.

It's not a matter of a band being "appreciated" or not. We list bands that are metal based on our standards, that's it. Taurus are definitely not metal, especially not death/doom metal... I know you know Stevie Floyd in real life (if you're really Whitehead) and this seems to be a more personal than it should be. Taurus isn't metal, the project won't be added to the Archives, if they sound like Evoken or Runemagick on their next album, please let us know but for now, this stays like it is.

If there's some bands on MA that are more ambient than metal (shit happens), notify us by using this thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=65721

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raspberrysoda wrote:

well... nazi = national socialist. since when is socialism right wing?

There is nothing about Taurus that is "rock"You have so many bands on here that are ambient and not metal.But this band is heavier than so many bands on hereare we hearing the same band?

Please don't base your argument around direct comparisons to other bands, as everything is appraised on a case-by-case basis. Furthermore, you cite that "older metal fans will definitely appreciate Taurus" like it is something to be ashamed of to not be included on this site.

"Our band wasn't accepted on MA, our career is over!" said nobody, ever.

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nuclearskull wrote:

Leave a steaming, stinking Rotting Repulsive Rotting Corpse = LIVE YOUNG - DIE FREE and move on to the NEXT form of yourself....or just be a fat Wal-Mart Mcdonalds pc of shit what do I give a fuck what you do.

I know we've already talked about it before, but I want to talk about the parody-metal band Gli Atroci. Well, they released three albums; while the second one contains a great part of not-metal songs, the first and the third (but mainly the first) are widely composed by metal songs, with (someway like Nanowar ahah), with a couple of songs of other genres. More likely to Buckethead, or Sharky Sharky (not all of their releases are metal), i think in my modest opinion that they should be added. I apologize if i ask you to re-consider the band, but i think that they should be added i link here the third album, but i suggest also the first! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7NJfYZ ... BAE990FC8A

Hi, first of all I apologize for my bad English, but I didn't understand why Buffalo Grillz, death/grind from Italy, were rejected: they aren't metal enough, or their releases aren't valid? Because now there are some physical releases: