[Blackpill]Stop eating fruits, they provide no benefits aside from their vitamin content

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NickGurr

200 ng/dl HIGH T BEAST

Fructose gets metabolized only in the liver. It does not create any glycogen, it helps with nothing within the body. It creates lipid droplets in the liver which can lead to non alcoholic fatty liver disease; it activates the JN kinease 1 which causes inflamation and blocks the insulin receptors in the liver and it gets stored as fat (while glycogen from stuff like potatoes and bread will go to other areas of the body since it is required by the body, such as the muscles)

Fiber is made of long carbohydrate chains, which cannot be broken down by the body and therefore should not have much effect in terms of nutrition. They have been shown to be able to decrease the absorbtion of glucose, and therefore lower the insulin response.

However, Fructose is not Glucose. Sugar is made out of roughly equal parts Fructose and Glucose, but they have very very different effects as I have said before. So Fiber will not (from my knowledge) lessen the effects of Fructose in any way. Not to mention the ratio of Fiber to Fructose is very disproportionate in most fruits.

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Now, what about the vitamins? Well, you can get all of your requires vitamins and minerals from meat sources, more specifically organs, such as the liver.

This might be considered a bit of a problem by some, so it's up to you to weigh in the negatives and positives and make a decision.

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TL;DR: Fructose provides no energy for the body, causes harm and weight gain. Vitamins can be procured from meats.

freakofnature

yes

keto has always been a huge meme. huge majority of science proves high intake of cholesterol is inversily correlated with longevity. all cardiologist association around the world says this. number 1 cause of death is heart disease. heart disease risk is increased by elevated levels of cholesterol. dietary intake of cholesterol raises serum cholesterol.

longest living population throughotu history all lived on carb based diets (not all plant based, but mainly carb)

keto has always been a huge meme. huge majority of science proves high intake of cholesterol is inversily correlated with longevity. all cardiologist association around the world says this. number 1 cause of death is heart disease. heart disease risk is increased by elevated levels of cholesterol. dietary intake of cholesterol raises serum cholesterol.

longest living population throughotu history all lived on carb based diets (not all plant based, but mainly carb)

i don't really care about trying to analyze these on a molecular level without having academically studied it. there are people who have studied this all their life and do it as their profession. i can read and comprehend research or read an ensemble of research and make my conclusion on where science stands.

surely you can pull up some studies claiming keto "lowers" cholesterol but thats bs. 80 out 100 studies will undoubtebly prove dietary cholesterol intake indeed raises serum cholesterol. usually studies where they don't get elevated serum cholesterol, they use participants with already high levels of baseline cholesterol and cholesterol elevation platues after a point. so if you take some fat fuck that eats SAD and give them double the eggs he usually eats, he probably wont have much higher cholesterol than he had in the first place, however if you remove all source of cholesterol his cholesterol levels are going to drop and his risk of heart disease significantly lessens

keto is one way ticket to heart disease, the number 1 leading cause of death world wide

NickGurr

200 ng/dl HIGH T BEAST

i don't really care about trying to analyze these on a molecular level without having academically studied it. there are people who have studied this all their life and do it as their profession. i can read and comprehend research or read an ensemble of research and make my conclusion on where science stands.

surely you can pull up some studies claiming keto "lowers" cholesterol but thats bs. 80 out 100 studies will undoubtebly prove dietary cholesterol intake indeed raises serum cholesterol. usually studies where they don't get elevated serum cholesterol, they use participants with already high levels of baseline cholesterol and cholesterol elevation platues after a point. so if you take some fat fuck that eats SAD and give them double the eggs he usually eats, he probably wont have much higher cholesterol than he had in the first place, however if you remove all source of cholesterol his cholesterol levels are going to drop and his risk of heart disease significantly lessens

keto is one way ticket to heart disease, the number 1 leading cause of death world wide

freakofnature

yes

no man, you didnt understand my point. studies where "dietary cholesterol intake doesn't raise serum cholesterol" are usually studies done on people with high cholesterol. if you take people with low cholesterol(vegans for example) and give them dietary cholesterol, their serum C. levels will skyrocket in short amount of time, which then lessens as it gets higher as it platues. cholesterol studies and results very much depend on participants.

razerftw

Amateur

no man, you didnt understand my point. studies where "dietary cholesterol intake doesn't raise serum cholesterol" are usually studies done on people with high cholesterol. if you take people with low cholesterol(vegans for example) and give them dietary cholesterol, their serum C. levels will skyrocket in short amount of time, which then lessens as it gets higher as it platues. cholesterol studies and results very much depend on participants.

freakofnature

yes

also im not trying to advocate vegan diet is healthiest by any means. im not vegan myself (i eat mostly plant based ,but not 100%)

i dont have any moral obligation or agenda towards any diet, i just want to be healthiest and live longest just as anyone and I clearly see keto based diets are surely not the answer. not that vegan diets ARE the answer, i have no fucking idea, science didnt figure out everything. but for now it seems best possible option

NickGurr

200 ng/dl HIGH T BEAST

also im not trying to advocate vegan diet is healthiest by any means. im not vegan myself (i eat mostly plant based ,but not 100%)

i dont have any moral obligation or agenda towards any diet, i just want to be healthiest and live longest just as anyone and I clearly see keto based diets are surely not the answer. not that vegan diets ARE the answer, i have no fucking idea, science didnt figure out everything. but for now it seems best possible option

i mean for longevity, science has some data. they're called "blue zones" i think, areas where they documented longest living popualtions. they werent vegans, but they usually have 3/4 of their daily kcal intake from grains. obviously things like stress-free lifestyle, genetics, environmental impact matters, but still it gives a reasonable indication that carbs are definitely "not bad".

for feeling good, i'll agree that people may feel bad on high carb, but usually in many cases this can be solved with switching carb sources. given that you dont have gastrointernal issues, SIBO etc. if your microbiome is well functioning, good carb sources shouldnt be a problem tbh.

me personally i've been on carb based diet since 5 years old and im 23 now. i eat around 3-3500 kcal daily of which at least 2500 are carbs and im not bloated, have perfect digestion etc. and building a lot of muscle in the process.

im not well read of mechanism around fruits, but i know that fruitarian vegans are actually fucking retarded and ruining their health crazy fast. i think its far fetched to say fruits are bad for you, in small amounts i dont think they contribute to any disease or bodily malfunction. they would have studies by now about it, if they did. in big amount it can maybe be bad, i havent read studies on it

NickGurr

200 ng/dl HIGH T BEAST

i mean for longevity, science has some data. they're called "blue zones" i think, areas where they documented longest living popualtions. they werent vegans, but they usually have 3/4 of their daily kcal intake from grains. obviously things like stress-free lifestyle, genetics, environmental impact matters, but still it gives a reasonable indication that carbs are definitely "not bad".

for feeling good, i'll agree that people may feel bad on high carb, but usually in many cases this can be solved with switching carb sources. given that you dont have gastrointernal issues, SIBO etc. if your microbiome is well functioning, good carb sources shouldnt be a problem tbh.

me personally i've been on carb based diet since 5 years old and im 23 now. i eat around 3-3500 kcal daily of which at least 2500 are carbs and im not bloated, have perfect digestion etc. and building a lot of muscle in the process.

im not well read of mechanism around fruits, but i know that fruitarian vegans are actually fucking retarded and ruining their health crazy fast. i think its far fetched to say fruits are bad for you, in small amounts i dont think they contribute to any disease or bodily malfunction. they would have studies by now about it, if they did. in big amount it can maybe be bad, i havent read studies on it

i mean for longevity, science has some data. they're called "blue zones" i think, areas where they documented longest living popualtions. they werent vegans, but they usually have 3/4 of their daily kcal intake from grains. obviously things like stress-free lifestyle, genetics, environmental impact matters, but still it gives a reasonable indication that carbs are definitely "not bad".

for feeling good, i'll agree that people may feel bad on high carb, but usually in many cases this can be solved with switching carb sources. given that you dont have gastrointernal issues, SIBO etc. if your microbiome is well functioning, good carb sources shouldnt be a problem tbh.

me personally i've been on carb based diet since 5 years old and im 23 now. i eat around 3-3500 kcal daily of which at least 2500 are carbs and im not bloated, have perfect digestion etc. and building a lot of muscle in the process.

im not well read of mechanism around fruits, but i know that fruitarian vegans are actually fucking retarded and ruining their health crazy fast. i think its far fetched to say fruits are bad for you, in small amounts i dont think they contribute to any disease or bodily malfunction. they would have studies by now about it, if they did. in big amount it can maybe be bad, i havent read studies on it

I don't think there are any zones that eat full keto/carnivore mode with good sources + good medical infrastructure, that's why we have to wait for this new wave of keto/carnivore people that live in well developed countries. We can't look at at Maasai life span that get eaten by lions and 0 medical infrastructure.

NickGurr

200 ng/dl HIGH T BEAST

It depends how much fruits you eat, fruits contain both fructose and glucose, for example bananas have 2 times more glucose than fructose, where other fruits have the opposite, or even ammounts.

I don't think there are any zones that eat full keto/carnivore mode with good sources + good medical infrastructure, that's why we have to wait for this new wave of keto/carnivore people that live in well developed countries. We can't look at at Maasai life span that get eaten by lions and 0 medical infrastructure.

are you sure fructure only gets metabolised in liver AND cannot be furthermore used, seems very far fetched? first results in google, i keep reading about "fructolysis" biological process of which says fructose can be converted to glycogen

NickGurr

200 ng/dl HIGH T BEAST

are you sure fructure only gets metabolised in liver AND cannot be furthermore used, seems very far fetched? first results in google, i keep reading about "fructolysis" biological process of which says fructose can be converted to glycogen

Demir

Amateur

this is because plant food is mostly low on calories and metabolism slows itself so you age more slowly. It is proven on mice that mice who are taking 1/3 less calories live longer and age slower than regular mice

razerftw

Amateur

are you sure fructure only gets metabolised in liver AND cannot be furthermore used, seems very far fetched? first results in google, i keep reading about "fructolysis" biological process of which says fructose can be converted to glycogen

Fructose yes is metabolised in the liver fully, it has nothing to do with insuline, and yes a part of it is converted to glycogen, which is stored in the liver, and not in the muscle like the glycocen coming from glucose.

razerftw

Amateur

Just wait for me another 10-20 years, I will continue to be full keto/carnivore mode with low caloric restriction, weekly 24 + hours fasts, and good sources of food. If I am not still slaying JBs at that time it means I aged like shit and my diet failed me.

freakofnature

yes

Just wait for me another 10-20 years, I will continue to be full keto/carnivore mode with low caloric restriction, weekly 24 + hours fasts, and good sources of food. If I am not still slaying JBs at that time it means I aged like shit and my diet failed me.

razerftw

Amateur

So basically there are 0 studies on keto/carnivore people that eat from good sources and live in 1st/2nd world countries, looking around me I see so many bad results of people eating carbs so it's my duty to try something different and that feels that we did for million of years and see how it goes.

ScornedStoic

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Kill_Jew

Adept

Vegan gains is not good at debating. All he does is type into google whatever study his opp pulled up, find a counter study to it, reference that, then personally attack his opp. Most of his videos are pretty much personal attacks disguised as something else. The entirety of the jeff nippard video was him just mocking jeff's subhuman height.
Giga-debate-pill: we live in a world where people think personal attacks and false allegations make for a good debate, rather than a respectful and civil conversation.

SikKunt

I am the übermensch

Vegan gains is not good at debating. All he does is type into google whatever study his opp pulled up, find a counter study to it, reference that, then personally attack his opp. Most of his videos are pretty much personal attacks disguised as something else. The entirety of the jeff nippard video was him just mocking jeff's subhuman height.
Giga-debate-pill: we live in a world where people think personal attacks and false allegations make for a good debate, rather than a respectful and civil conversation.

Show me studies that prove there is no link between high LDL levels and Vascular diseases. Also that's just one example there are also meta-analyzes done on Mendelian Randomization studies that show causal relationships between high LDL and Vascular diseases.

NickGurr

200 ng/dl HIGH T BEAST

Show me studies that prove there is no link between high LDL levels and Vascular diseases. Also that's just one example there are also meta-analyzes done on Mendelian Randomization studies that show causal relationships between high LDL and Vascular diseases.

The conventional wisdom regarding how healthy fruits are, is deeply embedded in today's society minds, and will not change very soon, because most people appeal to authority when it comes to nutrition and how we are thought from young.

NickGurr

200 ng/dl HIGH T BEAST

The conventional wisdom regarding how healthy fruits are, is deeply embedded in today's society minds, and will not change very soon, because most people appeal to authority when it comes to nutrition and how we are thought from young.