War-Addicted U.S. Afflicted With Imperialist Hangover

Posted on May 19, 2009

There is an important current in conservative U.S. opinion that believes Western Europe to be under something like a siege, or a potential siege, by its large Muslim immigrant population. I should actually say that it’s not just American conservatives, although they write alarmed books about the impending Muslim domination of Europe, and the collapse of European Christianity and identity. They fear the Decline of the West.

They fail to understand that African and Central Asian Muslims are not drowning in the Mediterranean in desperate attempts to reach European shores in order to overturn Western civilization. The Muslim sons of immigrants in Paris ghettos don’t riot and burn apartments to overturn democracy but to protest that they can’t find jobs.

Concern over the enormous problem of assimilating or integrating Muslim immigrants is a very serious one, most of all in Britain, the Netherlands and Scandinavia, where the idea has been that these people should be in self-segregated communities in a “rainbow” nation, preserving their native customs, looked after by the welfare state. This has not been a great success, and will change.

The U.S. government, a liberal one, has a different idea about Muslims, whom it sees as a military threat. It is continuing to wage George W. Bush’s war against the Taliban and their fellow-religious radicals in Afghanistan and Pakistan, justified as keeping them from fighting Americans in Peoria or Santa Barbara—a worthy idea if it were not pure hysteria.

You could (and they do) argue that the Islamist movement has momentum behind it in much of the Middle East and a part of South Asia, and conclude that unless it is “stopped” in Afghanistan and Pakistan it will propagate itself elsewhere in the region, acquire nuclear weapons and destroy America.

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The evidence suggests the contrary: that the more it is fought by foreign troops in military interventions by “Christian” Western governments, the more the radical movement will spread, assuming the roles of religious and nationalist resistance to foreign “crusader” invaders. The 9/11 attacks were revenge for American troops in Saudi Arabia.

However, the American (and NATO) determination to fight in Afghanistan and Pakistan is much more complicated in motive than national defense. It has been nearly eight years since a group composed mostly of alienated and Western-trained Saudi Arabians blew up the trade towers in New York and attacked the Pentagon. In the U.S., nothing of terrorist note has happened since.

The attacks on the London Underground and on Madrid’s rail terminal did not originate in Taliban or Middle Eastern circles, but in European immigrant communities, involving young and Westernized Muslim residents of Europe, as has been the case with all the would-be terrorist activity picked up by European police intelligence. “Stopping” the Taliban in the Hindu Kush won’t change that.

All of this is a hangover from the age of imperialism, which provoked nationalism (a Western phenomenon) in Asia and radicalized religion by well-meant but naive attempts to convert the Asian “heathen” to Christianity. (This continues; there are repeated reports of American Army chaplains of evangelical Protestant persuasion slipping copies of the New Testament in Arabic into the hands of American soldiers, to be pressed upon their enemies, should the occasion arise—something for them to read at Gitmo or at one of the overseas U.S. prisons, to pass the time between waterboardings.)

The United States has become war-addicted. Since the Korean War, it has been permanently at war, with the Communists in Southeast Asia, with Balkan aggressors, with Central American leftists, with Colombian drug growers, with Saddam Hussein (twice), with radical Islamists everywhere. I leave out Panama and Grenada.

War has become part of the national identity, as well as the national economy, which turns out more weapons and more military high technology than all the rest of the world combined.

At present, our newest war has hardly begun. We are sponsoring the Pakistan army’s drive to push the Taliban out of territory they have occupied in the northwest of their own country.

The push is on in Washington to send into Pakistan a shadow government of Americans, to show them how to run their country and their struggle with Islamic radicals. Under Barack Obama, we are also going to expand our civil presence in Afghanistan and, according to the press, we have in mind a replacement leader for Afghanistan. The U.S. clearly intends to be there for a long time.

Back in Iraq, sectarian rivalry is getting out of hand since the U.S. stopped paying the Sunni tribes to keep the peace. We’ll apparently be staying there for quite a while, too.

When the Soviet Union collapsed, one of the Russians who knew the most about the U.S., Georgi Arbatov, then head of the Soviet Union’s Institute for USA and Canadian Studies, said to an American, “We are about to do something terrible to you. We are going to deprive you of your enemy.” He did not realize how simple it was going to be for us to find replacements.

Lately fascism has been giving the greed crowd the best of both worlds. Unregulated commerce with little or no taxation on their profits and tax payer money to bail out their failure.

My contention is that Libertarianism breeds the me-my-mine mentality and greed and lust for power over Mutual Aid which doesn’t. All it takes is hard work and “go-it-alone” philosophy that ignores the contributions of others. No one goes it alone unless you are alone and even then if you have items manufactured by others then it still applies that others help you.

Too many others hold up Ayn Rand as an icon of Libertarianism. You may consider her disparagingly but many others do not. That is one of my points.

The is no particular connection between greed and libertarianism. A greedy person might see extensive government as a means to satisfy his desires. If you’re going to attack a political philosophy it seems to me you should be attacking the philosophy itself as it is.

Ayn Rand, besides being a bore, had a totalitarian style which accords very poorly with those libertarian ideas she chose to espouse.

A live-and-let-die meritocracy will produce a very vivacious and vicious society. One that is really and truly cutthroat. Believing in the pseudo science of “social darwinism” as the reason for selfishness and eventually leading to a very severe society. Greed is not just good but a cultivated virture and it will not come out well for those not as aggressive and essentially without empathy as they. (Think the Mirror Universe in the Star Trek series.) Mutual Aid is the opposite. The balance of the individual with the group needs since we live and survive as a group. Of helping others will help ourselves. I think the likes of Ayn Rand* polluted the Libertarians producing such a terrible social idea in an even more captivating and acceptable form. It stoked the ego of the bully and those who are arrogant to dizzying heights. *She was such an egotist and wanted hero worship of her to the point of a cult of personality.

I can’t say as I see any logical link between libertarianism and racism. The only out-and-out libertarian I’ve ever met in the flesh was fired from his job at a major brokerage house for hiring too many Black people to staff his department.

It is true that Nazis and the like are often strangely drawn to marginal political movements of other persuasions, especially those promoting some idea of freedom, like anarchism or libertarianism. I believe this is because the Nazis think they will be allowed to get away with things not permitted elsewhere. This does not mean the unwilling targets of their attention have Nazi principles.

To me Libertarians embody some of the worse characteristics of humanity including a selfish atomism and disregard for others. Live and let die attitude I find appalling. That is why I left them. The Mutual Aid version of evolution and social interaction is far better and more harmonious. A balance of personal Anarchism and general social welfare I find a better match.

It was in Paul‘s own newsletter where he or those writing under his byline that supported many things in common with the Nordic Christian Supremacists and their kindred ilk. Anyway Kucinich was more humane and wouldn’t have let the corporations run totally amok, unlike Paul which would have compounded the disaster we have had in this deregulated environment. A monstrous disaster that we could have had with no regulation at all. If we hadn’t regulated CFC’s our climate would have been much worse off that much sooner. The Libertarian way.

To me Libertarians embody some of the worse characteristics of humanity including a selfish atomism and disregard for others. Live and let die attitude I find appalling. That is why I left them. The Mutual Aid version of evolution and social interaction is far better and more harmonious. A balance of personal Anarchism and general social welfare I find a better match.

It was in Paul‘s own newsletter where he or those writing under his byline that supported many things in common with the whit christian supremacists and their kindred ilk. Anyway Kucinich was more humane and wouldn’t have let the corporations run totally amok, unlike Paul which would have compounded the disaster we have had in this deregulated environment. A monstrous disaster that we could have had with no regulation at all. If we hadn’t regulated CFC’s our climate would have been much worse off that much sooner. The Libertarian way.

I would agree in a most general way with your broad brush definitions though I think progressives are just liberals too ashamed by right wing rhetoric to call themselves such.

I believe progressives to be more concerned with the working classes than are the corporatists, more aware of the rights of the poor and disenfranchised and the necessity for a government to nurture the social safety net.

The term “progressive” is today often used in place of “liberal”. Although the two are related in some ways, they are separate and distinct political ideologies. According to John Halpin, senior advisor on the staff of the Center for American Progress, “Progressivism is an orientation towards politics, It’s not a long-standing ideology like liberalism, but an historically-grounded concept… that accepts the world as dynamic.” Progressives see progressivism as an attitude towards the world of politics that is broader than conservatism vs. liberalism, and as an attempt to break free from what they consider to be a false and divisive dichotomy

ardee: ’... As to Folktruther’s definition of Obama as a Progressive, I fall on the side of not. Just as are the leaders of the Democrats, Obama is a corporatist, wedded to capitalism, chained by money to the very ills that move this nation rightward. ...’

The term progressive does not seem to mean very much. At most, going by the usage of those who call themselves that, it seems to mean having leftist sympathies or sensibility without having any leftist ideas, philosophy or plans. Leftist plans being absent, rightist plans like preserving the power and wealth of the ruling class, and extending these with fraud and repression at home and war and imperialism abroad, fill their place. Obama seems to fit perfectly, along with most of the Democratic Party.

If you’re not wedded to capitalism, you’re not a liberal or a “progressive”. You’re some kind of socialist or anarchist. And you are not going to get elected.

I do not wish to seem to pick on Paul,either Ron or our own Ga. version, however there are statements from Paul’s own staffers that claim a link to Stormfront. Paul does deny such, but rather quietly in fact.

As to Folktruther’s definition of Obama as a Progressive, I fall on the side of not. Just as are the leaders of the Democrats, Obama is a corporatist, wedded to capitalism, chained by money to the very ills that move this nation rightward.

The problem would seem to lie in the way we follow the lead of the media in defining our leaders rather than assessing each individually and by our own standards. The median by which one judges a leftists from a rightist has been artificially moved to the right, certainly during the Bush years and , in my opinion for a longish time before.
Some folks who would once be defined as moderates are now being labeled socialists.

Night-Gaunt, you ought to read Dr. Paul’s books (most of which are available for free download in PDF form at Mises.org) and his articles (which are archived at LewRockwell.com) if you’d like to know what the man stands for. I’ve never seen any evidence that he’s in cahoots with “white Christian supremacists”; now, *libertarians*—oh, yes! But there’s nothing alarming in that.

I remember we were once at war with Eastasia; there was black-and-white footage of jungles and peasants in rice paddies running for their lives while bombs exploded in the background. Now we’re at war with Eurasia and the shortages are becoming more severe; petrol is plentiful but was sky-high not long ago; food prices are soaring as are health care premiums for the lucky proles with decent jobs; there has been damage from bombings but mostly NYC and other metros are decepit and rotting from the inside. Right now the war seems to be going our way but once the ME Eurasian states are attacked I imagine I’ll see more colour footage on my flatscreen: captured soldiers destined for the torture facilities; devastated towns and cities burning in the background; dead bodies and various appendages everywhere. We will celebrate our Eurasian victory with our Eastasian comrades; come to think of it, I believe it was always so. We were always at war with Eurasia and Eastasia was always our ally.

The Dominionists like the idea of corporations being unrestrained by any kind of laws. That is one point they do like. However the civil liberties aren’t what they like for they don’t believe in such things.

Though I have my doubts about what Ron Paul actually stands for. There are too many items that smack of white christian supremacists in his closet. So he may just be the agent from the cabal within them.

They are all part of the same corporate party. The one that has members like Cheney, Bush, Geithner & Limbaugh. One that has been infiltrated from the Dominionists. They first were in the Republicans and have also moved into the Democrats and I think even into the Libertarian party. They aren’t for us and we aren’t for them. As I stated previously.

Kucinich is now on the “far left” because things have been skewed so far right ward that he has become that without moving one iota. Goldwater too has been left out in the cold as the shift made in his Republican party. He would be tossed out if he were still alive!

He was an unknown just three years ago and to call him any of those things is a disservice to the real ones. That is what the extreme right wing does. Now Kucinich is a real one and he is ‘main stream’ whatever that means. Your cynicism aside, Obama was never portrayed that way except in the CMSM which is the dominate media. Fark News is on the hard end of that right wing slant.

Anyone not obviously with the extreme in tone is immediately labeled ‘leftist.’ To put it simply FolkTruther you have got it wrong. You sound too much like Fark News in the way you put it forth.

Obasma IS a mainstream Progressive, a mainstream liberal, a mainstream leftist. It is the traditional function of mainstream liberals to promote conservative polices, especially military policies. Obama is continuing Bush policies but with a liberal rhetoirc and style, and marginal differences. He is doing what Dem presidents always do, but he has followed a political counter revolution which he is consolidating. Otherwise he is a typical Dem president.

But the power consnsus is far to the right of the population consenus. So he is smoothing it over with rhetoric and his nice smile. Which he has been financed and media’d by the ruling class to do.

I often stated on the pages of Truthdig that political-military America is the most short-sighted in the world in learning from the lessons of history. Therefore, I was pleased to find that the intellectual giant Noam Chomsky is calling it “historical amnesia.” Here’s below is a link to this wonderful article!
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The Torture Memos And Historical Amnesia
By Noam Chomsky

Ardee, no one has claimed Obama is a Progressive or even liberal except for the rabid reich wingers whose job it is to play partisan wars. He ain’t no liberal more like a conservative of the cabal type. See Bush & Cheney before him. We have change that is really the same under different management. A new face but the same tactics and policies. If you thought voting gave change you are sadly mistaken in this pseudo-democracy we live in.
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Yup, dont blame me I voted for Nader, three times and counting. If you noted, I put the term progressive in “” precisely to make the point you just made.

Anyone in this system of ours who can raise 700 million dollars to run for the White House would have to be right of progressive. Anyone who thinks that requiring seven hundred million dollars to gain said office is fine and dandy needs a gut check.

RE: Gladio…I thought that it was dismantled after it had been discovered in the 1980’s?

You didn’t read enough on it. A Strategy of tension was developed in which the stay-behind networks were employed to execute numerous false-flag acts of terrorism in Italy, Germany, France, Belgium, Holland - acts accredited to Red Brigade & Baader Meinhof, in particular, essentially pseudo-gangs that discredited the socialist and communist legitimate advances being made in the Parliaments of Western Europe.

The fate of the Stay Behinds, who knows. It was seriously exposed in Italian Parliamentary hearings ca. 1990. Maybe when the wall came down they were disbanded…just about the time the CIA launched its Bin Laden Project.

MR. ZARDARI: You all have been there for eight years, you tell me. You lost him in Tora Bora, I didn’t. I was in prison. In fact, my wife warned America about Osama bin Laden in ‘89. She rung up senior Bush and asked, asked of him, “Are you destabilizing my government?” Because he paid the then opposition $10 million to do—overthrow the first woman elected in Islamic country. So we knew that he was your operator. And…

It is study the subject and remember and make connexions and just be aware of things. Everyone is alike and yet different. Noam Chomsky is my model though I don’t come close to his erudition on the subject. But I am undaunted as you should be.

The InterNet is an excellent source for many points of view and hopefully, real information. The more you know the harder it is for trolls to fool you.

Ever since the national security state was established on a permanent basis in 1950 we have had a continuous gear-up for war. Usually labeled as ‘police actions’ and lately ‘anti-drug’ and ‘anti-terrorist’ operations in dozens of countries. It also is a way of subverting a republic and slowly wearing it down and turning it toward an empire. There isn’t much of a republic left these days. [Harry Truman said he was sorry he signed into law the National Security Act of 1947. Too little too late.]

War isn’t just an opiate to an empire, it is the life’s blood to maintain its growth and dominance in the world. The military is the backbone and base but it is the signals intelligence/marketing strategy and psychological warfare ops that keep it going without the need for force up front. Force though is always in the background. Look at how Iraq is being finalized as a garrison state under proxy control. Look up Full Spectrum Dominance, the riazon de etre of any empire.

Yes I am aware of Operation Gladio (after the short sword of the Romans) that would have come into play if there had been an invasion of Europe by the CCCP and would have been a massive set of fascist coups taking over gov’ts to ‘protect’ them. I thought that it was dismantled after it had been discovered in the 1980’s?

hello again. the point of propaganda, misinformation, and lies is not only profit. it is body count. war is people killing potential friends they have yet to meet. dead people: that may take invaluable knowledge to the grave. lives that want to help. war is people killing people. yes there is unreasonable profit in murder toys. no we are not on the decline. yes human character is historically unchanging in its need to murder. perhaps this is genetic, as we must have killed nature: to survive the ages. if ever there needed to be truth in evolution: it is time for human character to evolve.

Are you certain that this kind of sites are not infiltrated bij people who want to influence us, some do know every thing so dam well, that I am asking my self how the hell, do they know everything so well and in detail.

For a so-called terrorist group to be successful it must first establish, by blowing something big up and killing alot of people in the process, its bona fides as a group to be reckoned with. The event must be seen and labelled (by both sides) as an act of REVENGE (for what doesn’t really matter.)

The ‘opening’ salvo must be successful enough to evoke a massive REACTION from the injured party (nation.)

Finally, and this is what acts 1 and 2 were all about in the first place, the now spreading RENOWN of the original group (thanks to the massive REACTION) must be great enough to draw in hordes of armed and angry and dissatisfied and just plain bored minions eager for the 15 minutes of fame promised by mere membership in a now-famous organization.

Thanks to (primarily) us, Osama bin Who is now Osama bin World-wide Terrorist (with a world-wide work force) holding the entire world hostage from some obscure cave somewhere. (Too bad Moliere is dead because he could write an hilarious satirical play based on this entire fiasco.)

RE: Dubious, and if so, so what, anyway? What are you going to do about it, anyway?

I disagree, but correct, not much one can do. I do this http://thefall01.info/ - I can do this kind of work forever and never get on a no-fly list because nobody cares what artists do in this the-most-philistine nation of all time, which has no need for artists, only celebrities.

...so what anyway? Failing all self-determinant states, especially those situated on or around valuable natural resources and/or trade routes, is The Great Game that never ends. Why take part in demonization of the victims? If you buy the Global War Of Terror psy-op, you unwittingly take part.

Why not dubious? No need to speculate. We have it from the source:

“Deception is a state of mind and the mind of the state.” - James Jesus Angelton - Director of CIA Counter Intelligence (1954-74)

“The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media.” - William Colby - Director of the CIA (1973-76)

I’ve still to see that big bad Muslim conspiracy. I mean, all the Muslims I know are people like everybody else, well “integrated” (as it is called these days) insofar as they have the same preferences and dislikes as their German (or whatever) neighbour. They are better integrated insofar as they have more trust in and more willingness to participate in democratic structures, have greater respect for the rule of law and (incidentally) are less likely to be found to swindle on tax day. Which is something, because some strange impulse in tax investigators makes them look closer at Muslims.

So, I don’t care about the fear mongering. Instead, I’ll have a cup of tea with my neighbour and talk about getting over a world wide crisis and what to do about fixing the environment.

RE: Intelligence services around the world have estimated AlQaeda at about thirty thousand members

Sorry, ardee, that does open the “conspiracy book” - the Al Qaeda myth and the 9/11 coup d’etat are the lynchpins of the Global War Of Terror psy-op. Your incompetence/blowback analysis has been cited as important in the cover up.

Wed, 2008-10-08
Remember the attack on the U.S. embassy in Yemen last month that took the lives of eighteen people? A group calling themselves “Islamic Jihad” claimed responsibility for the blast. It has a nice, scary ring to it hasn’t it? “Islamic Jihad” also happens to be the name of a group that operates out of Gaza.

“Islamic Jihad” pointedly mentioned its affiliation with al Qaeda after claiming responsibility for the September 17 U.S. embassy bombing:

“We, the Organisation of Islamic Jihad, belonging to the Al-Qaeda network, repeat our demand of (Yemeni President) Ali Abdullah Saleh to free our detained brothers within 48 hours,” said a statement signed by self-proclaimed leader Abu Ghaith al-Yamani.
Former agent for French military intelligence Pierre-Henry Bunel has this to say about ‘al Qaeda’:

“The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the ‘devil’ only in order to drive the ‘TV watcher’ to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism…”

Well now the Yemeni authorities have arrested a group of these al Qaeda-backed militants with, surprise surprise, links to Israeli intelligence.

From BBC News:
Yemeni President Ali Abdullah Saleh has said the security forces have arrested a group of alleged Islamist militants linked to Israeli intelligence.

Mr Saleh did not say what evidence had been found to show the group’s links with Israel, a regional enemy of Yemen.

The arrests were connected with an attack on the US embassy in Sanaa last month which killed at least 18 people, official sources were quoted saying.

Israel’s foreign ministry has rejected the accusation as “totally ridiculous”.

“A terrorist cell was arrested and will be referred to the judicial authorities for its links with the Israeli intelligence services,” Mr Saleh told a gathering at al-Mukalla University in Hadramawt province.

“Details of the trial will be announced later. You will hear about what goes on in the proceedings,” he added.

The 17 September attack was the second to target the US embassy since April. Militants detonated car bombs before firing rockets at the heavily fortified building.

Mr Saleh did not identify the suspects, but official sources were quoted saying it was same cell - led by a militant called Abu al-Ghaith al-Yamani - whose arrest was announced a week after the attack.

No, it is the national identity, along with pillaging the middle class.”—Mary Ann McNeely

No Mary, they are systematically destroying the middle classes as part of their plan to remake the USA into a shining empire on a hill of skulls. They have a romantic view of the past before the middle class and regulations and the New Deal and a social safety net. For the oligarchs, that is their Golden Age.

Ardee, no one has claimed Obama is a Progressive or even liberal except for the rabid reich wingers whose job it is to play partisan wars. He ain’t no liberal more like a conservative of the cabal type. See Bush & Cheney before him. We have change that is really the same under different management. A new face but the same tactics and policies. If you thought voting gave change you are sadly mistaken in this pseudo-democracy we live in.

Who needs to control the votes when you control who the voters get to chose from? Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb are the ones we get every time. Any others don’t have a chance because they don’t get the access necessary to have a chance at winning in a fair fight.

What I see is not the failing of an empire, we have a half assed one at best, but a crumbling Republic that is going. That is why we feel so bad.

Ardee, your latest comment makes me think of something the late Harry Browne (LP presidential candidate in 1996 and 2000) once said: “Given the government’s record with the War on Poverty and the War on Drugs, we can assume that a War on Abortion would lead within five years to *men* having abortions.”

The Cold War, The War on Terror, The War on Drugs, War on common sense more likely. The common theme to all this war is profit, simply that and nothing more ideological or deep.

There are 1.4 billion followers of Islam world wide, making it the largest organised religion extant. Intelligence services around the world have estimated AlQaeda at about thirty thousand members, perhaps a bit more since Bush policies added numbers to their cause. Thus the demonisation of so many because of the actions of so few seems absurd when viewed sans testosterone induced ravings.

Without opening the conspiracy theory book with regard to the events of 9/11 and who or what the cause might have been the entire war on terror collapses when viewed through the lens of common sense and practicality. One does not win converts by slaughtering women and children, one does not make a nation safer by introducing tens of thousands of armed “crusaders” into the general populace, nor does one win hearts and minds by installing puppet govts that fail to represent the will of their own people.

What one does, however, is enrich a few already wealthy old white guys, and at a cost far too great to contemplate. Is our new “progressive” president listening?

• “There is an important current in conservative U.S. opinion that believes Western Europe to be under something like a siege, or a potential siege, by its large Muslim immigrant population. I should actually say that it’s not just American conservatives, although they write alarmed books about the impending Muslim domination of Europe, and the collapse of European Christianity and identity. They fear the Decline of the West.”

Maybe it’s me, but this seems so surreal when I read stuff like this…Decline of the West and blah, blah, blah, especially when it doesn’t go with the title at all. Maybe I’m impatient these days…

The Decline of the West, and specifically the DECLINE of the U.S. as an Empire or anything even closely resembling that has been in steady decline for decades, and it’s at LEAST a decade late for folks to be ‘getting it’. And, it doesn’t have anything to do with Christianity and/or Muslim immigrant population.

But, I guess that’s all ‘relative’ just like everything else. First we have to separate which part of the West we’re talking about, as in the US or All of Europe, or Western Europe. (The title references the US specifically in the hangover from Empire) So, if we’re talking about the US specifically, then we’ve been in steady decline for decades, while large portions of Europe were completely rebuilt after WWII.

So, in terms of my idea of ‘decline’ Europe hasn’t been experiencing that until about the turn of the 21st Century, though we’ve been steadily declining here in the US for decades, economically, and certainly in terms of our social-political structure, and our infrastructure, and just about everything else that keeps any society in a prosperous mode. The decline has been unrestrained by the last 40 years of merging the Corptocracy with the Government, so that we are nothing like our original blueprint called for, which is probably why we’ve collapsed by now. Just like Rome.

Certainly this should come as no surprise to anyone who’s been paying even as little as 40% attention to what’s been going on the past several decades.
Still, that doesn’t have anything to do with European Christian ‘identity’ or Muslim immigrant populations, since immigrant populations are naturally occurring in nearly all societies and cultures. Now if the ‘connection’ here is somehow that The “West” is “In Decline” BECAUSE of these CHANGING ethnographics, then the use of the word ‘decline’ is incorrect, because CHANGE doesn’t necessarliy mean ‘decline’. It could mean IMPROVEMENT. There’s the relativity issue again.
Be that as it may, I’m making an educated guess that those who feel that the “West” is in Decline probably mean that the DOMINANT CULTURE of the “West” is CHANGING, and those who used to be a part of that dominant culture, (Christian and Anglo) don’t like much like it. However, it is what it is, and I don’t see as how the Muslim population is any more required or obligated to ‘assimilate’ any more than anybody else in Britain or any place else in Europe or the US for that matter. Everybody just needs to adapt, seeing as how that’s the only way things will ever come close to that ideal of satisfying the majority of the people, the majority of the time. It’s quite doable, as soon as folks understand that they are only responsible for maintaining their OWN ideologies, and NOT forcing them down the brain stems of others.

The old live and let live philosophy really is an example of positive law that works quite well when utilized.

Not unlike something I heard in a pub recently — where else? “Nuke ‘em all!” My reply, been underway for sometime…DU (depleted uranium): today in Basara, Iraq, when a child is born, the question isn’t “boy or a girl,” but, “is it normal?”

DEPLETED URANIUM IN INDIA, SPREADING WORLDWIDE
1000-mile radius means a total area of 3.14 million square mile. The two circles in the map represent an area of 6.28 million square miles and, deducting say 20% for the overlapping area, the net affected area is just over 5 million square mile. The total land area of earth is about 57.3 million square mile, which implies that roughly 8% of total land area of the earth is now severely contaminated. And I am not including Bosnia and Kosovo theatres of war, which has seriously affected the Balkans as well as the NATO troops.

Callahan’s note: He is also not including the equally contaminated military testing and training grounds in USA, Australia, and etc. and their downwind areas. More Australia DU info in the DVD Blowin’ In the Wind.

hello. thank God it’s the european muslims that i cannot see or speak with whom are threatening to overthrow the world- a quick dialogue may prove this to be fearmongering military salesman hogwash- and i want to be scared, and war with everyone we can: before someone gets a friday night beer influenced notion to attack us! imagine, we are all hung under from all this warring business, and i haven’t even been drinking. i am still waving nukes around over my head: and hoping to get a chance to sling them into the Afghanistan mountain ranges- whom is this written to; or about? let’s kill,kill,kill. we don’t need no stinkin enemies! let God sort ‘em out.

RE: One quibble: The 9/11 attacks were a successful attempt to remove the US military from Saudi Arabia.

Requibbled: 9/11 was the most heinous false-flag provocation of all time. As for US military leaving Saudi Arabia — staging bases for their quick leap into the heart of Central Asia within weeks after the tragedy.

When the War on Communinism of the 20th century segued into the War on Terrorism of the 21st, a fundamental transformation occurred in the American powerstate. the 9/11 false flag operation initiated an ideological endless war. The US is at war. It will always be at war. Against Muslim Terrorists. And so we need a miltary under Bushobama to meet the threat of endless war.

This War is being carried on primarily for public relations and economic reasons. Not military reasons, since there is no military way of ‘winning.’ the idea is to continue the bloodshed as a psychological stimulus to training people not to ask certain questions. It has been astonishingly successful so far, people accepting the obvious irrationality and blatant mendacity largely without blinking. this having been instrumental in effecting a political revolution in the US.

But then what? How long will people accept the irrationality that rationalizes massive savagery and oppression. What percentage of Dems can Obama carry over to support bushite poliicies. As the controdictions pile up fo endless war for endless peace, and the economy erodes, how long will people stay still. In the depression and vietnam it took about five years before people erupted. Other things equal, that should be about next year.

Then what? another Terrorist incident and martial law? And the American people are totally unprepared for an alternative. Dmitri Orlov was right, the US is far more unprepared for political collapse than the Soviet Union. And the US military is currently being both trained and equipped for use against the American people.

The Long American War against Native Americans has never ended. Native American political prisoners litter the prisons, their traditional religious practices denied, their convictions fraudulently brought and sustained. Native lands are exploited by whites, money stolen, resources stolen, and lives stolen. Sacred sites are purposefully abused and ruined, christians relentlessly practice cultural genocide in their aggressive pursuit of Traditional Native Souls. Some are just killed. The war has never ended and will never end until the whites in their wisdom, consume themselves. That day, thankfully, is not far away.

This is a nice companion piece to Perpetual War by Mr. Hedges. When I lived in France I noticed how integrated Muslims were in the South. Women did not cover their faces & wore beautifully coloured scarves and skirts; men drank wine, smoked incessently, & swore like their caucasian counterparts. Indiginous French ate Arab food, and the Muslims ate French cuisine as well. Very multicultural and while there were tensions I believed the French & immigrants would work it work fairly.

“The U.S. government, a liberal one, has a different idea about Muslims, whom it sees as a military threat.”

Is it liberal or neoliberal? There’s a huge difference and I’d argue that the latter is true. Also, I’d suggest the US fascist government sees Muslims as a military opportunity, not a genuine threat. A long, unwinnable war that saps the dignity of the public and allows a technologically-enabled plutocracy to continue its game of pillage, plunder and burn; is a dream-come-true to the Fourth Reich.

In the modern world—since, say, 1500—the usual course of empire has been to financial, political and often moral bankruptcy and catastrophe. Portugal, Spain, France, Britain, Sweden, Russia, Germany, Japan…. we seem to up to the financial part.

“In terms of their politics, they were almost all Democrats and then as soon as the Democratic party suggested that it wasn’t going to have a strong military, Norman Podhoretz and Irving Kristol, the grandfathers of this movement, they went Republican. Why? Because they said, back in the 70’s, a strong American military is needed to protect Israel.”

I am reminded of “Riley Ace of Spys” which revealed the symbiotic relationship of opposing sides and the enablers who under pretence of serving one side or another buys and sells everyone and where they see self advantage they create the very thing they are supposedly out to defend us from.

I have no trouble accepting the idea that our government and military have begun to create the situations needed to defend their focus on blowing things up, but I think anyone who believes a religion that has as an integral part of its dogma the right to kill people or harm them in other ways just because a person asks them an inconvenient question or refutes their entire dogma should not be viewed with suspicion are overly optomistic.

The United States is a state, and it is not the satellite or subordinate ally of another state, so it must find wars or make them. That is what states do. It is not a peculiarity of the United States, although in the present age the United States is the primary aggressor in the business, while other states look on and react.

“The 9/11 attacks were revenge for American troops in Saudi Arabia ...
It has been nearly eight years since a group composed mostly of alienated and Western-trained Saudi Arabians blew up the trade towers in New York and attacked the Pentagon ...”

This site is TRUTH dig. Why the same old song and dance about 911 ? Strange.

Yeah, The Clash of Civilizations, as if there are any civilized among the pro-Christian polemicists - sorry, that’s mean - any citing London 7/7 or Madrid Train bombing need to be confronted with the facts - FALSE FLAG BLACK-OPS - both - I haven’t the time to dig out the links - just google them - more than enough proof - any inclined to dismiss this out of hand, one reminder: GLADIO!