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And Bruce was already an exceptional talent that was able to line up at pretty much any skill position and excel in high school.

Whats your point?

My point is some of those guys didn't necessarily get drafted because of the coaching they received from Spurrier Jr.

I'm neither one to praise the WR coach nor to condemn him, but I thought it might be worth pointing out a potential flaw in the thinking behind that particular post. If one of our guys who is coached by Jr. makes it to the NFL but doesn't have an innate ability to make plays (Rice, Jeffery, Sanders, and Ellington), then the statement would have more value.

I never expected Bruce to be so sure-handed, run such great routes, and make the spectacular catch so often. When he sigened a lot were talking about him playing defense on football and basketball. The guy's game is impressive. He deserves to go in a high round.

My point is some of those guys didn't necessarily get drafted because of the coaching they received from Spurrier Jr.

I'm neither one to praise the WR coach nor to condemn him, but I thought it might be worth pointing out a potential flaw in the thinking behind that particular post. If one of our guys who is coached by Jr. makes it to the NFL but doesn't have an innate ability to make plays (Rice, Jeffery, Sanders, and Ellington), then the statement would have more value.

Sorry you are so hard to please. I think he did a fine job with them. There have been many highly recruited WRs who don't perform in college. I just recall seeing the WR coach for Jacksonville commenting on the precision that Ace ran his patterns. Plus Kenny and Bruce were QBs in high school not WRs. Someone taught them how to play. Sidney had talent but wasn't highly recruited out of HS. Anyway, I have seen a number of posts hear criticizing Jr. as a poor WR coach. Just pointing out he was doing ok.

My point is some of those guys didn't necessarily get drafted because of the coaching they received from Spurrier Jr.

I'm neither one to praise the WR coach nor to condemn him, but I thought it might be worth pointing out a potential flaw in the thinking behind that particular post. If one of our guys who is coached by Jr. makes it to the NFL but doesn't have an innate ability to make plays (Rice, Jeffery, Sanders, and Ellington), then the statement would have more value.

JR doesn't get 5 * recruits every year like Alabama, FSU, OSU, etc. He does more with less. He develops guys over time to become good route runners and puts them in positions to make big plays.

Think about all those WR's that walk in to the traditional power programs and don't even see the field. I don't know that Ace Sanders makes it to the NFL if he goes to Bama. Same with Bruce.

I'm indifferent, but to be fair, Rice and Jeffery were already great talents, Cook was/is a TE, and Sanders was picked up more because of his abilities in the return game.

What kind of point are you making, most players that go in the NFL today were already great talents including Sanders and Ellington who were as highly ranked as both Rice and Jeffery although Ellington was a basketball/QB prospect.

My point is some of those guys didn't necessarily get drafted because of the coaching they received from Spurrier Jr.

I'm neither one to praise the WR coach nor to condemn him, but I thought it might be worth pointing out a potential flaw in the thinking behind that particular post. If one of our guys who is coached by Jr. makes it to the NFL but doesn't have an innate ability to make plays (Rice, Jeffery, Sanders, and Ellington), then the statement would have more value.

Please give us an example of a player drafted without the innate ability to make plays?

What kind of point are you making, most players that go in the NFL today were already great talents including Sanders and Ellington who were as highly ranked as both Rice and Jeffery although Ellington was a basketball/QB prospect.

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Originally Posted by qcgamecock

Please give us an example of a player drafted without the innate ability to make plays?

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Originally Posted by Talon1

I think you just stumped him.

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Originally Posted by Talon1

I'm still hearing crickets...

You guys are making too much of my comment. I'm trying to keep the thread from getting hijacked any more than it already has. My first two posts in the thread were about Bruce. I eventually responded to someone who tried to make the thread about something else by simply saying Jr. didn't have to do too much with the guys the poster named. That apparently caused you guys to get defensive over a coach, even though I wasn't attacking him. Let me restate one of my comments so maybe you understand it a little better.

Look at Sammy Watkins. He's going to be a very high pick in the draft because of his natural ability, not because of the coaching he received while at CU. Some guys just have "it" when it comes to making plays, and the receivers the poster I responded to named all do, so it's not saying a lot about Jr.'s coaching ability to point out those players have been successful.

Now look at a player like Wes Welker. His natural playmaking ability is less than someone like Bruce (meaning he might not make some of the circus-style catches Bruce has at times), yet he has been successful because of his commitment to fundamentals and striving to understand the game. He runs really good routes and understands defenses, and he uses that to his advantage more than natural athletic ability. Am I saying Welker doesn't have ability? No, that would be ridiculous, but his overall athleticism probably isn't on par with guys like Alshon, Sidney, Ace (who, again, was picked up because of his return prowess), and now Bruce.

Now if we can get back to the topic at hand, I really hope Bruce gets picked up in the second round. I obviously wish he could sneak into the first round, but I don't think that's likely.