No...it wasn't...seriously. I'm sure he'd dismiss it but he was going into the logic of how the safest neighborhood is where the Mafia boss lives...and that likewise it took an S.O.B. to maintain order in Iraq because of all the tribal factions...so Stern was being pretty logical about it...it wasn't just a venomous quip...<br><br>

Well, I'm sure some of us have joked in our private venues that it seems like the only way to get the situation under control is to restore the man who ruled them with an iron fist for all those years. Obviously it's not a realistic plan of action, though...<br><br>He just happens to have millions of people listening to him when he makes those wild speculations...<br><br>[color:white]God speed, mikeb. Go drive your Boxster in the big Autobahn in the sky...</font color=white>

well, that's goofy. i think most people are fairly happy to have saddam gone, but my guess is that they'd be even more happy to have us gone. i think we should just up and leave. we could say we'll monitor the situation from afar and that we will not allow some sort of democracy to run its course, but that we recognize that we are the biggest disruption to democracy at the moment.<br><br>"Tribal sovereignty means that, it's sovereign. You're a—you've been given sovereignty, and you're viewed as a sovereign entity. And, therefore, the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between sovereign entities." dubya 8.6.04

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>but that we recognize that we are the biggest disruption to democracy at the moment<p><hr></blockquote><p>Hey look! More of the "blame the US for everything" attitude that's run rampant through liberals. <br><br>Do you honestly think that if we leave, then Iraq will be better off? Seriously?<br><br>

yeah, i think the attacks against us are less about terrorism and much more about nationalism despite the attempts to say we're fighting terrorism in iraq (on their soil and not ours). what country really wants to have an american occupation? this is closer to what the soviets encountered in afghanistan back in the 80s than an american liberation of iraq. i think we could leave and still have a presence. perhaps the rest of the world would help to fill the void, but right now, we're dying at record rates and that sux. we f'd up thinking we could go in at dubya's accelerated timeline without a plan for after the "mission" was "accomplished." our mission was to remove saddam and to stop him from using he mythical WMD. that's accomplished as much as it can be. done already. kerry says he'd like to try and have us out during his first term if possible and with support from the world, but i think he's got to say we need to get out much more quickly to see democracy succeed. the bottom line is that the Shiites have the majority and they are going to have a majority in any new gov't. iraq is going to be similar to iran and we'll keep dying until we realize this. i think we could win a lot more hearts and minds by just getting the heck out and letting them know that we're available if necessary, but that we believe they have the ability to create their own gov't just like we were able to do 200+ years ago. we could let them know that we'll live with any outcome of a democratic process.<br><br>"Tribal sovereignty means that, it's sovereign. You're a—you've been given sovereignty, and you're viewed as a sovereign entity. And, therefore, the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between sovereign entities." dubya 8.6.04

No, the attacks in Iraq are more about stopping democracy than nationalism. That is why Americans and Iraqis are targeted.<br><br>Dean Davis<br><br>-----<br>"I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein. And when the president made the decision, I supported him, and I support the fact that we did disarm him." -- John Kerry (D) - May 3, 2003

Xplain's use of MacNews, AppleCentral and AppleExpo are not affiliated with Apple, Inc. MacTech is a registered trademark of Xplain Corporation. AppleCentral, MacNews, Xplain, "The journal of Apple technology", Apple Expo, Explain It, MacDev, MacDev-1, THINK Reference, NetProfessional, MacTech Central, MacTech Domains, MacForge, and the MacTutorMan are trademarks or service marks of Xplain Corp. Sprocket is a registered trademark of eSprocket Corp. Other trademarks and copyrights appearing in this printing or software remain the property of their respective holders.

All contents are Copyright 1984-2010 by Xplain Corporation. All rights reserved. Theme designed by Icreon.