I was thinking recently, for all the respect many martial artists (i.e. the Dog Brothers, JKD, Paul Vunak) seem to afford it, we see very little of Escrima or other FMA in NHB. Is it because for all the stick techniques, the empty-hand is lacking? Or is the empty hand 'incompatible' (due to joint manipulation, destructions, etc.) with how an NHB fight goes down?

As much merit as FMA has in the empty-hand realm, and as good a stress test for styles as NHB seems to be, it looks to me like FMA and NHB are "two great tastes that don't go great together".

I'd like to hear everyone's thoughts on this.

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I think some elements, like destructions would be good in an NHB fight. Hey he punched me in my elbow, not my fault his hand broke :) But as far as all the standing joint locks, I personally always felt they were too hard to apply against a resisting opponent. Leave standing joint locks to bouncers, or low threat/ violence level situations.

I'm Filipino too, and a lot of people, including myself formerly and even other Filipinos, didn't know that that it was "F" in words like "filipino" and "filipina" and "Ph" in words like "Philippine" or "Republic of the Philippines".

Coincidentally, it becomes "P" when referring to the language, "Pilipino" and the country (in that language), "Republica Pilipinas", which is why you'll see the Philippines abbreviated as "RP" instead of "PHI" in some cases (i.e., when the Filipino National Hockey Team plays the Flyers).

To tell the truth, I'm "half-Filipino" as well, but I don't think there's such a thing. Filipinos started out as the native people who migrated by sea from the Asian continent, then came the Chinese along with Japanese and other Asians, then the Spanish, then the Americans. Catch my drift? To me, adding another race, if anything, makes one more Filipino because we as a people are defined by our diverse racial stock that comes from a synthesis of East and West.

Anyway, that's just my long-winded off-topic opinion.

About destructions, it seems to me the striking in an NHB fight goes down like a boxing match, where pretty much your only targets are the jaw and the ribs/stomach. Of course, with Thai boxing included, you could also attack the legs, but that's about it.

As much as destructions could be employed effectively, it seems that no one in NHB is using them. Does this mean that NHB like Pride and UFC have room to evolve (as the evolution into crosstraining was spurred by the early UFC) to include "unorthodox" techniques like destructions, or are they and other FMA just "incompatible" with the ring and better left on the street?

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And that's what I call REAL Ultimate Power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"The morning glory blooms for an hour. It differs not at heart from the giant pine, which lives for a thousand years."

the arts that dominate in mma right now are mixes of specialized arts...bjj, wrestling, boxing, muay thai. it doesn't make sense for a fma'er to compete in mma since he would have to distill his training. a weapons fighter will not do well unarmed against a guy who trains only muay thai and bjj or some other proven combo. now, if you send the same mma fighter to a dog brothers gathering, its a different story.

I agree, when I first started MAs, I learnt plenty of standing wrist locks (Aikido). I found them near on impossible to apply on a resisting opponent, plus my face was open the whole time to attacks from their other hand.

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Edited by - slj on November 05 2002 11:17:32

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