Nah Muslims weren't doing much, it's just they conquered so many nations and so many nations were drawn into conflict, it was like a world war.

Also, let's not forget that there are to this day a lot of heads and hands cut off, terrorist attacks, and women stoned to death and stripped of Rights in many of these countries that they had Conquered.

Meaning the Islamic conquest at that time is still ruining millions of lives to this day.

Meaning the more land Christians could have reconquered from Muslims at that time, the merrier those lands would be today , for their people would have far more freedom and higher quality of life today.

Nah Muslims weren't doing much, it's just they conquered so many nations and so many nations were drawn into conflict, it was like a world war.

Also, let's not forget that there are to this day a lot of heads and hands cut off, terrorist attacks, and women stoned to death and stripped of Rights in many of these countries that they had Conquered.

Meaning the Islamic conquest at that time is still ruining millions of lives to this day.

Meaning the more land Christians could have reconquered from Muslims at that time, the merrier those lands would be today , for their people would have far more freedom and higher quality of life today.

So you clearly haven't heard of Charlemagne or know what happened to those early medieval Europeans who didn't care to join the Christians. Or the burning at the stake and other brave punishments aimed at converting the infidel and the heretic.

So you clearly haven't heard of Charlemagne or know what happened to those early medieval Europeans who didn't care to join the Christians. Or the burning at the stake and other brave punishments aimed at converting the infidel and the heretic.

Obviously I have. The EU even named their headquarters the "Charlemagne building ". Kinda creepy eh?

However, my point was that even if corrupt people like Charlemagne had gone into the nations Muslims had conquered, reconquered them, and outlawed Islam, those nations would be better places and more free today.

Obviously I have. The EU even named their headquarters the "Charlemagne building ". Kinda creepy eh?

However, my point was that even if corrupt people like Charlemagne had gone into the nations Muslims had conquered, reconquered them, and outlawed Islam, those nations would be better places and more free today.

Christian Governments don't do that anymore. Muslims do.

There are no "Christian governments." There are secular governments who became secular because Christians appalled themselves at the horrible things they could do when they tried to restrict each other's religion. Compare the "Christian governments" of medieval and early modern Europe to Muslim governments in the same period or later--you'll find the level of freedom was similar, maybe a little better on the Islamic side.

It's modernity and secularism that reformed what you're calling the Christian world.

It's modernity and secularism that reformed what you're calling the Christian world.

That's the point that a lot of people gloss over. It's very easy to look at so called "Christian" nations and remark how liberated and tolerant they are, and how they don't allow religion to interfere with science, or medicine, or government, or philosophy, or the arts... and on and on, and think that it's some inherent quality within Christianity that makes it this way. What they are really proud of is the fact that their religion, which once dominated all of those things and more, has been beaten into a small corner of public life by a conscious and deliberate (and very beneficial) effort make religion something that has little power over anything important in society.

If there was ever a good case study of what happens when societies overthrow the grip of religion over all of public life, the European Enlightenment is it. Hopefully the Muslim world's enlightenment will come soon.