meanwhile....what happend to the storylines...

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It kind of feels like to me that we hit a brick wall, sure there will be filler expansions with fluff gear but nothing really meaningful, as the discovery quests etc, once you hit the hurq your basically stuck with doing events, tfo until nausea.
I been thinking this for a bit that STO is not allowed to grow beyond the point of the tv show, then it will stagnate and die out
and I know the game maker try to make the game fun with added stuff but still after 2 years of having maybe a handful of meaningful quests, there is nothing much more than fillers in my opinion.

The long list of story episodes you have to play took years to be added to the game. There's a new featured episode already in the calendar, they seem to have some sort of discovery themed story being told.. so there's no brick wall, just waiting til the next one drops as always.

It kind of feels like to me that we hit a brick wall, sure there will be filler expansions with fluff gear but nothing really meaningful, as the discovery quests etc, once you hit the hurq your basically stuck with doing events, tfo until nausea.

What do you mean by meaningful?

We currently have two major story arcs going on, one involve a Klingon likely going to start another Klingon Civil War, and a Terran who is likely to try to weaponize entire planets.

Sure that isn't "the galaxy is ending" level threats, but that isn't small fish either.

I'd also argue that this game has done more than thr TV shows could have dreamed to develop the expanded star trek universe. What will happen next? A new episode will eventually, much like every other time before.

It kind of feels like to me that we hit a brick wall, sure there will be filler expansions with fluff gear but nothing really meaningful, as the discovery quests etc, once you hit the hurq your basically stuck with doing events, tfo until nausea.

What do you mean by meaningful?

We currently have two major story arcs going on, one involve a Klingon likely going to start another Klingon Civil War, and a Terran who is likely to try to weaponize entire planets.

Sure that isn't "the galaxy is ending" level threats, but that isn't small fish either.

Let me see if I can explain this right....

Lets say that the events leading up to Odo and the Hurw are the base, the one that started it all.
Now instead of continuing that, exploring new options... the game makes are adding layers upon layers
of anything from Discovery to Alternate universes and it does not push the main timeline ahead at all.

Lets try logic...or as best as I can...
We got how many variations of timelines and mirror universes?

Disco, and Disco Mirror (thats 2)
Star Trek Enterprise (Captain Archer) and that Mirror universe and those stories (thats 4)
Original series and mirror of that (thats 6)
TNG and mirror of that (thats 8)
DS 9 and mirror of that(could be combined into TNG) (same as voyager) so lets say (8 so far)
So all those...leads to a focus point of time somewhere, where everyone has done all
the previous quests... and end up at the end of the Hurq invasion.

Now how do we make a jump from that to suddenly the focal point of the forward motion
is an mirror universe from discovery.

My question is, at some point all those , ALL those must come to a common point
and go forward.

So instead of working on going forward my fear is that the game makers say "Hey lets just add
another layer to this and keep people happy and oblivious that we are actually not moving ahead anywhere"

and then they tell the story from different viewpoints a thousdand different ways but you still
have not made one step forward....you are just adding another layer to the onion.

The thing that irks me, is that ships, items, boofs etc are made better for each
arc added, right, but ummm, should the items/ships etc not be alreaady be at peak
when you reach the end, how can a ship from discovery, thats in the past, be as good or better
than ships in the present?

I am thinking they are throwing stardust in our eyes and says "Hey look, new ships, new items , but umm forget the obvious error in time line, just pretend it all fits together"

Vulcan Scout Ship is an exampel, there are MANY ships later in timeline that is much weaker than the Vulcan Scout Ship. Just an exampel

Lets say that the events leading up to Odo and the Hurw are the base, the one that started it all.
Now instead of continuing that, exploring new options... the game makes are adding layers upon layers
of anything from Discovery to Alternate universes and it does not push the main timeline ahead at all.

Except, again, the Discovery content is taking place in 2410, post Victory is Life. Killy, at Pavho, is in 2410, after Victory is Life. It is pushing the main timeline forward.

-ENT, DSC, TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, and VOY, are all the same universe, the Prime Timeline.
-The Mirror Universe seen in ENT, DSC, TOS, and DS9, is the same Mirror Universe between all of them
-The Kelvin Timeline has three movies.

Now how do we make a jump from that to suddenly the focal point of the forward motion
is an mirror universe from discovery.

Same way we went from the Temporal Cold War to the Tzekenthi and Hur'q crisis.... the TCW just ended, and the Tzenkethi just so happened to start their stuff then. The Hur'q have pretty much nothing to do with anything else in the game before that, it just so happened to start after the Iconian War, and Temporal Cold War were over. Likewise the Hur'q story is over, and that just happens to be when J'Ula and Killy arrive in 2410 for the Age of Discovery story.

> @spearhawk2013 said:
> somtaawkhar wrote: »
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> spearhawk2013 wrote: »
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> It kind of feels like to me that we hit a brick wall, sure there will be filler expansions with fluff gear but nothing really meaningful, as the discovery quests etc, once you hit the hurq your basically stuck with doing events, tfo until nausea.
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> What do you mean by meaningful?
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> We currently have two major story arcs going on, one involve a Klingon likely going to start another Klingon Civil War, and a Terran who is likely to try to weaponize entire planets.
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> Sure that isn't "the galaxy is ending" level threats, but that isn't small fish either.
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> Let me see if I can explain this right....
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> Lets say that the events leading up to Odo and the Hurw are the base, the one that started it all.
> Now instead of continuing that, exploring new options... the game makes are adding layers upon layers
> of anything from Discovery to Alternate universes and it does not push the main timeline ahead at all.
>
> Lets try logic...or as best as I can...
> We got how many variations of timelines and mirror universes?
>
> Disco, and Disco Mirror (thats 2)
> Star Trek Enterprise (Captain Archer) and that Mirror universe and those stories (thats 4)
> Original series and mirror of that (thats 6)
> TNG and mirror of that (thats 8)
> DS 9 and mirror of that(could be combined into TNG) (same as voyager) so lets say (8 so far)
> So all those...leads to a focus point of time somewhere, where everyone has done all
> the previous quests... and end up at the end of the Hurq invasion.
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> Now how do we make a jump from that to suddenly the focal point of the forward motion
> is an mirror universe from discovery.
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> My question is, at some point all those , ALL those must come to a common point
> and go forward.
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> So instead of working on going forward my fear is that the game makers say "Hey lets just add
> another layer to this and keep people happy and oblivious that we are actually not moving ahead anywhere"
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> and then they tell the story from different viewpoints a thousdand different ways but you still
> have not made one step forward....you are just adding another layer to the onion.

Wow, not a thing you said is correct, thats impressive, most people would be correct accidentally in that mich wall o text.

Also, everything except Discovery content came before the Victory is Life expansion, in pther words no layers have been added on anywhere, all of it was already here, but it wasn't when I started playing 8 years ago, back then the story ended at the Borg arc, everything after that, and a lot before it, were added to the game later.

Wow, not a thing you said is correct, thats impressive, most people would be correct accidentally in that mich wall o text.

Also, everything except Discovery content came before the Victory is Life expansion, in pther words no layers have been added on anywhere, all of it was already here, but it wasn't when I started playing 8 years ago, back then the story ended at the Borg arc, everything after that, and a lot before it, were added to the game later.

Interesting.... How what episodes in the prime timeline (Ent, TOS, TNG etc) were they met with mirror universe?
Surely, if you can time jump like in TOS etc, then they MUST have met their mirror universe counterparts at some point
in 160 years.....

Understand me right, I wish developers were to go with more with answering the questiones that remains...

what has happend to the Borg? surely they have evolved and not that vanished into the night.
and fluidic space, Undine, surely there is more to develop there?
the hurq threat is over but what about the after effects of this, surely there can't been only one founder that worked on this , and what would the link, the other founders been doing meanwhile? twiddled inside the link?
surely in a millenia there must been more storyline for the Jem'hadar past history.

Understand me right, I wish developers were to go with more with answering the questiones that remains...

what has happend to the Borg? surely they have evolved and not that vanished into the night.
and fluidic space, Undine, surely there is more to develop there?
the hurq threat is over but what about the after effects of this, surely there can't been only one founder that worked on this , and what would the link, the other founders been doing meanwhile? twiddled inside the link?
surely in a millenia there must been more storyline for the Jem'hadar past history.

-The Borg right now in are recession. They launched an invasion of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, which ended with the death of the Queen, and the destruction of the Unimatrix the invasion was being staged from, as seen in the "Into the Hive" TFO. These losses were compounded on with losses to the Undine, the Voth, and the Vaadwaur, who the Borg were also fighting. By the time the players enter the Delta Quadrant, the Queen, now resurrected, attempts to re-assimilate freed Borg Cooperative ships back into the Collective to rebuild their a numbers, as seen in the "Borg Disconnected" TFO. This plan is thwarted by a combined attack by the Alliance, the Voth, and the Undine(though each faction is fighting each other as well), that results in the death of the Borg Queen again, and the presumed destruction of that Unimatrix by the Voth and Undine super-capital ships. Leaving the Borg weaker then ever before. Though Borg assimilation fleets are still around, and are mentioned in Starfleet Intelligence files the player gains access to in "Quark's Lucky Seven".

-As for the Undine. After Tuvok and the player exposed the Iconian's deception, they ceased their attacks on the Alpha/Beta Quadrant powers, and went back to honoring the deal they made with Janeway back in Voyager. The Undine have been continuing their attacks on the Borg however, who likewise continue to attack the Undine, as seen in "Borg Disconnected".

-What we are told in Victory is Life is that the Female Changeling was the only one who worked on the project that caused the Hur'q to go insane, and even killed other Founders who found out about it. She was the sole Founder behind it, and now she is dead. As for the after effects, this is explained at the end of the "Home" mission. With the Hur'q cured a neutral zone has been created around the Hur'q system so that the Dominion can't interfere with them, and Ezri Dax, Bashir, and Kuumaarke, have been assigned to help the Hur'q rebuild their homeworld using the Lukari's protomatter technology. The Dominion have likewise begun ending some of their more terrible practices, such as beginning the slow process of curing Jem'Hadar of their Ketracel White addiction, so they can be more free, as part of admission into the Alliance.

Understand me right, I wish developers were to go with more with answering the questiones that remains...

what has happend to the Borg? surely they have evolved and not that vanished into the night.
and fluidic space, Undine, surely there is more to develop there?
the hurq threat is over but what about the after effects of this, surely there can't been only one founder that worked on this , and what would the link, the other founders been doing meanwhile? twiddled inside the link?
surely in a millenia there must been more storyline for the Jem'hadar past history.

-The Borg right now in are recession. They launched an invasion of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, which ended with the death of the Queen, and the destruction of the Unimatrix the invasion was being staged from, as seen in the "Into the Hive" TFO. These losses were compounded on with losses to the Undine, the Voth, and the Vaadwaur, who the Borg were also fighting. By the time the players enter the Delta Quadrant, the Queen, now resurrected, attempts to re-assimilate freed Borg Cooperative ships back into the Collective to rebuild their a numbers, as seen in the "Borg Disconnected" TFO. This plan is thwarted by a combined attack by the Alliance, the Voth, and the Undine(though each faction is fighting each other as well), that results in the death of the Borg Queen again, and the presumed destruction of that Unimatrix by the Voth and Undine super-capital ships. Leaving the Borg weaker then ever before. Though Borg assimilation fleets are still around, and are mentioned in Starfleet Intelligence files the player gains access to in "Quark's Lucky Seven".

-As for the Undine. After Tuvok and the player exposed the Iconian's deception, they ceased their attacks on the Alpha/Beta Quadrant powers, and went back to honoring the deal they made with Janeway back in Voyager. The Undine have been continuing their attacks on the Borg however, who likewise continue to attack the Undine, as seen in "Borg Disconnected".

-What we are told in Victory is Life is that the Female Changeling was the only one who worked on the project that caused the Hur'q to go insane, and even killed other Founders who found out about it. She was the sole Founder behind it, and now she is dead. As for the after effects, this is explained at the end of the "Home" mission. With the Hur'q cured a neutral zone has been created around the Hur'q system so that the Dominion can't interfere with them, and Ezri Dax, Bashir, and Kuumaarke, have been assigned to help the Hur'q rebuild their homeworld using the Lukari's protomatter technology. The Dominion have likewise begun ending some of their more terrible practices, such as beginning the slow process of curing Jem'Hadar of their Ketracel White addiction, so they can be more free, as part of admission into the Alliance.

Oh, I think there was a misunderstanding, I was speaking of Jem'hadar history, we gone back in some discovery stuff etc, and it gave me an idea, in a millenia of Jem'hadar(since we can play that now) there should be history to be told. Another semi faction, same as Romulans had, there is much there to work with.

but we shall see where the developers goes, and CBS allowes them to do... heh

Understand me right, I wish developers were to go with more with answering the questiones that remains...

what has happend to the Borg? surely they have evolved and not that vanished into the night.
and fluidic space, Undine, surely there is more to develop there?
the hurq threat is over but what about the after effects of this, surely there can't been only one founder that worked on this , and what would the link, the other founders been doing meanwhile? twiddled inside the link?
surely in a millenia there must been more storyline for the Jem'hadar past history.

-The Borg right now in are recession. They launched an invasion of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, which ended with the death of the Queen, and the destruction of the Unimatrix the invasion was being staged from, as seen in the "Into the Hive" TFO. These losses were compounded on with losses to the Undine, the Voth, and the Vaadwaur, who the Borg were also fighting. By the time the players enter the Delta Quadrant, the Queen, now resurrected, attempts to re-assimilate freed Borg Cooperative ships back into the Collective to rebuild their a numbers, as seen in the "Borg Disconnected" TFO. This plan is thwarted by a combined attack by the Alliance, the Voth, and the Undine(though each faction is fighting each other as well), that results in the death of the Borg Queen again, and the presumed destruction of that Unimatrix by the Voth and Undine super-capital ships. Leaving the Borg weaker then ever before. Though Borg assimilation fleets are still around, and are mentioned in Starfleet Intelligence files the player gains access to in "Quark's Lucky Seven".

-As for the Undine. After Tuvok and the player exposed the Iconian's deception, they ceased their attacks on the Alpha/Beta Quadrant powers, and went back to honoring the deal they made with Janeway back in Voyager. The Undine have been continuing their attacks on the Borg however, who likewise continue to attack the Undine, as seen in "Borg Disconnected".

-What we are told in Victory is Life is that the Female Changeling was the only one who worked on the project that caused the Hur'q to go insane, and even killed other Founders who found out about it. She was the sole Founder behind it, and now she is dead. As for the after effects, this is explained at the end of the "Home" mission. With the Hur'q cured a neutral zone has been created around the Hur'q system so that the Dominion can't interfere with them, and Ezri Dax, Bashir, and Kuumaarke, have been assigned to help the Hur'q rebuild their homeworld using the Lukari's protomatter technology. The Dominion have likewise begun ending some of their more terrible practices, such as beginning the slow process of curing Jem'Hadar of their Ketracel White addiction, so they can be more free, as part of admission into the Alliance.

Oh, I think there was a misunderstanding, I was speaking of Jem'hadar history, we gone back in some discovery stuff etc, and it gave me an idea, in a millenia of Jem'hadar(since we can play that now) there should be history to be told. Another semi faction, same as Romulans had, there is much there to work with.

but we shall see where the developers goes, and CBS allowes them to do... heh

We've gone back in time (for everyone except the Discovery Fed characters) to Discovery because that's what the Devs wanted to focus in on.

The Jem'hadar are already pretty much another semi faction. Only difference is that they were made playable from level 60 instead of Level 1, simply because compared to the rest of the game, they spend most of it sitting out in the Gamma Quadrant. There's also not a lot of history that can be gleamed that we don't already know from playing the Gamma Quadrant storyline and prior canon.

Remember that according to canon, the Treaty of Bajor meant that the Dominion went back to the Gamma Quadrant. We have no real information about what went on canon wise following this, but we can surmise that they returned to ruling over the Dominion space they had before. Sometime after the freeing of the the Female Founder, she took it upon herself to try and stop the imminent Hur'q awakening cycle that was looming, not wanting the rest of the Founders to know what was going on. Unfortunately, she could not stop the Hur'q from decimating the Dominion forces.

At the same time though, She took it upon herself to try to wipe out the Hur'q in the Alpha Quadrant, but covertly, taking the guise of a Tzenkethi Admiral. She planned to use the Tzenkethi to wipe out the Hur'q, but because the alliance had no idea what she was actually doing, they attempted to stop the Tzenkethi. The truth eventually comes out and the Dominion finally work on a way to end the problem.

Understand me right, I wish developers were to go with more with answering the questiones that remains...

what has happend to the Borg? surely they have evolved and not that vanished into the night.
and fluidic space, Undine, surely there is more to develop there?
the hurq threat is over but what about the after effects of this, surely there can't been only one founder that worked on this , and what would the link, the other founders been doing meanwhile? twiddled inside the link?
surely in a millenia there must been more storyline for the Jem'hadar past history.

-The Borg right now in are recession. They launched an invasion of the Alpha and Beta Quadrants, which ended with the death of the Queen, and the destruction of the Unimatrix the invasion was being staged from, as seen in the "Into the Hive" TFO. These losses were compounded on with losses to the Undine, the Voth, and the Vaadwaur, who the Borg were also fighting. By the time the players enter the Delta Quadrant, the Queen, now resurrected, attempts to re-assimilate freed Borg Cooperative ships back into the Collective to rebuild their a numbers, as seen in the "Borg Disconnected" TFO. This plan is thwarted by a combined attack by the Alliance, the Voth, and the Undine(though each faction is fighting each other as well), that results in the death of the Borg Queen again, and the presumed destruction of that Unimatrix by the Voth and Undine super-capital ships. Leaving the Borg weaker then ever before. Though Borg assimilation fleets are still around, and are mentioned in Starfleet Intelligence files the player gains access to in "Quark's Lucky Seven".

-As for the Undine. After Tuvok and the player exposed the Iconian's deception, they ceased their attacks on the Alpha/Beta Quadrant powers, and went back to honoring the deal they made with Janeway back in Voyager. The Undine have been continuing their attacks on the Borg however, who likewise continue to attack the Undine, as seen in "Borg Disconnected".

-What we are told in Victory is Life is that the Female Changeling was the only one who worked on the project that caused the Hur'q to go insane, and even killed other Founders who found out about it. She was the sole Founder behind it, and now she is dead. As for the after effects, this is explained at the end of the "Home" mission. With the Hur'q cured a neutral zone has been created around the Hur'q system so that the Dominion can't interfere with them, and Ezri Dax, Bashir, and Kuumaarke, have been assigned to help the Hur'q rebuild their homeworld using the Lukari's protomatter technology. The Dominion have likewise begun ending some of their more terrible practices, such as beginning the slow process of curing Jem'Hadar of their Ketracel White addiction, so they can be more free, as part of admission into the Alliance.

Oh, I think there was a misunderstanding, I was speaking of Jem'hadar history, we gone back in some discovery stuff etc, and it gave me an idea, in a millenia of Jem'hadar(since we can play that now) there should be history to be told. Another semi faction, same as Romulans had, there is much there to work with.

but we shall see where the developers goes, and CBS allowes them to do... heh

We've gone back in time (for everyone except the Discovery Fed characters) to Discovery because that's what the Devs wanted to focus in on.

The Jem'hadar are already pretty much another semi faction. Only difference is that they were made playable from level 60 instead of Level 1, simply because compared to the rest of the game, they spend most of it sitting out in the Gamma Quadrant. There's also not a lot of history that can be gleamed that we don't already know from playing the Gamma Quadrant storyline and prior canon.

Remember that according to canon, the Treaty of Bajor meant that the Dominion went back to the Gamma Quadrant. We have no real information about what went on canon wise following this, but we can surmise that they returned to ruling over the Dominion space they had before. Sometime after the freeing of the the Female Founder, she took it upon herself to try and stop the imminent Hur'q awakening cycle that was looming, not wanting the rest of the Founders to know what was going on. Unfortunately, she could not stop the Hur'q from decimating the Dominion forces.

At the same time though, She took it upon herself to try to wipe out the Hur'q in the Alpha Quadrant, but covertly, taking the guise of a Tzenkethi Admiral. She planned to use the Tzenkethi to wipe out the Hur'q, but because the alliance had no idea what she was actually doing, they attempted to stop the Tzenkethi. The truth eventually comes out and the Dominion finally work on a way to end the problem.

True, well I hope there are some interesting stuff to do for JH as well as others and it will not be rehashed stuff.
although I like the screen of the disco toons, its better than all the others, perhaps it is time for klingon to get storylines, but for now disco is in the eye, so lets hope the tv shows lasts 7 seasons

And the whole J'Ula stuff from Discovery is very Klingon centric, though still cross faction

Yeah, I wondering with her coming back. We might have another Klingon Civil War on our hands. Or even a three way spilt between Martok, J'Ula and the current Chancellor. The Hurq attack and Iconian war fall-out has left the klingon empire not in a good way. Plus, Starfleet after its heavy losses in Iconian & Hurq wars, is not doing much better.

Would be the worse time for the Borg to come back in a stronger state having found something to give them a boost. Or, god forbid, a three way issue with Tilly, J'Ula and the Klingons going at it

And the whole J'Ula stuff from Discovery is very Klingon centric, though still cross faction

really? you played Klingon and seen their unique storyline?
Cause I have and all Klingon's got is a few starter missions and the rest is copies from Fed episodes.
I would not call 5-10 missions at start their own unique storyline....I would call it tutorial...

and as for the discovery parts, well, I see no new tutorial or no new klingon loading screens etc
or any such thing that would set it aside as being Klingon, the only thing new is superficial

Maybe, maybe, the klingons will have something of their own more than a tutorial at beginning of game.

Yeah, I wondering with her coming back. We might have another Klingon Civil War on our hands. Or even a three way spilt between Martok, J'Ula and the current Chancellor. The Hurq attack and Iconian war fall-out has left the klingon empire not in a good way. Plus, Starfleet after its heavy losses in Iconian & Hurq wars, is not doing much better.

Would be the worse time for the Borg to come back in a stronger state having found something to give them a boost. Or, god forbid, a three way issue with Tilly, J'Ula and the Klingons going at it

Martok has zero political ambitions, and has no desire to challenge J'mpok. It would be J'Ula and her forces vs the main Klingon Empire. Probably with remnants of House Torg, Duras, and Mo'Kai joining her.

really? you played Klingon and seen their unique storyline?
Cause I have and all Klingon's got is a few starter missions and the rest is copies from Fed episodes.
I would not call 5-10 missions at start their own unique storyline....I would call it tutorial...

and as for the discovery parts, well, I see no new tutorial or no new klingon loading screens etc
or any such thing that would set it aside as being Klingon, the only thing new is superficial

Maybe, maybe, the klingons will have something of their own more than a tutorial at beginning of game.

Yes, I have played it. Klingons have 16 unique missions to them. Compared to
-The Romulan Republic's 25 unique missions
-The Federation's 12 unique missions
-The TOS Fed's 6 unique missions
-The Discovery and Jem'Hadar's zero unique missions
Literally, only the Romulans have more unique missions then the Klingons. Hell, the Klingons have more unique missions to their faction then even the 2409 Federation does.

Also, I suppose you haven't played the new Discovery missions then? Because J'Ula, a Klingon, the sister of T'Kuvma, is the main villain of the arc. And Cryptic has already said they plan to add the Discovery Klingon parts to the character editor, as well as release outfits for every Klingon house seen on the show, and release pretty much every single Klingon ship seen in Discovery.

So yeah, there is a lot of Klingon focus with the new Discovery stuff.

And the whole J'Ula stuff from Discovery is very Klingon centric, though still cross faction

really? you played Klingon and seen their unique storyline?
Cause I have and all Klingon's got is a few starter missions and the rest is copies from Fed episodes.
I would not call 5-10 missions at start their own unique storyline....I would call it tutorial...

and as for the discovery parts, well, I see no new tutorial or no new klingon loading screens etc
or any such thing that would set it aside as being Klingon, the only thing new is superficial

Maybe, maybe, the klingons will have something of their own more than a tutorial at beginning of game.

Yeah, I wondering with her coming back. We might have another Klingon Civil War on our hands. Or even a three way spilt between Martok, J'Ula and the current Chancellor. The Hurq attack and Iconian war fall-out has left the klingon empire not in a good way. Plus, Starfleet after its heavy losses in Iconian & Hurq wars, is not doing much better.

Would be the worse time for the Borg to come back in a stronger state having found something to give them a boost. Or, god forbid, a three way issue with Tilly, J'Ula and the Klingons going at it

Martok has zero political ambitions, and has no desire to challenge J'mpok. It would be J'Ula and her forces vs the main Klingon Empire. Probably with remnants of House Torg, Duras, and Mo'Kai joining her.

really? you played Klingon and seen their unique storyline?
Cause I have and all Klingon's got is a few starter missions and the rest is copies from Fed episodes.
I would not call 5-10 missions at start their own unique storyline....I would call it tutorial...

and as for the discovery parts, well, I see no new tutorial or no new klingon loading screens etc
or any such thing that would set it aside as being Klingon, the only thing new is superficial

Maybe, maybe, the klingons will have something of their own more than a tutorial at beginning of game.

Yes, I have played it. Klingons have 16 unique missions to them. Compared to
-The Romulan Republic's 25 unique missions
-The Federation's 12 unique missions
-The TOS Fed's 6 unique missions
-The Discovery and Jem'Hadar's zero unique missions
Literally, only the Romulans have more unique missions then the Klingons. Hell, the Klingons have more unique missions to their faction then even the 2409 Federation does.

Also, I suppose you haven't played the new Discovery missions then? Because J'Ula, a Klingon, the sister of T'Kuvma, is the main villain of the arc. And Cryptic has already said they plan to add the Discovery Klingon parts to the character editor, as well as release outfits for every Klingon house seen on the show, and release pretty much every single Klingon ship seen in Discovery.

So yeah, there is a lot of Klingon focus with the new Discovery stuff.

I am more thinking that while Matrok has zero political ambitions, if things get extremely bad in the klingon empire, he may have no choice. Especially if other klingons start asking for him to save the klingon empire again. Apart from that, I doubt he would get involved

Maybe, Martok did declare Worf Torchbearer, Light the Beacon of Kahless, and enter battle weilding the Sword of Kahless, essentially declaring himself Kahless reborn, as did T'Kuvma before him, which is the last time the Beacon of Kahless was lit. Interesting that the last 2 Torchbearers have also served Starfleet.

Maybe, Martok did declare Worf Torchbearer, Light the Beacon of Kahless, and enter battle weilding the Sword of Kahless, essentially declaring himself Kahless reborn, as did T'Kuvma before him, which is the last time the Beacon of Kahless was lit. Interesting that the last 2 Torchbearers have also served Starfleet.

Ehh, not really. Martok very much didn't do those things with the same intent as T'Kuvma, nor are those thing inherently necessary for such a deceleration.

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> Maybe, Martok did declare Worf Torchbearer, Light the Beacon of Kahless, and enter battle weilding the Sword of Kahless, essentially declaring himself Kahless reborn, as did T'Kuvma before him, which is the last time the Beacon of Kahless was lit. Interesting that the last 2 Torchbearers have also served Starfleet.
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> Ehh, not really. Martok very much didn't do those things with the same intent as T'Kuvma, nor are those thing inherently necessary for such a deceleration.

I'm not at all clear how you could think I was even implying that Martok's motives were the same, of course they are not, T'Kuvma was a bigoted fool, Martok is not. However according to Discovery and DS9 that is what those actions mean according to Klingon tradition.

I'm not at all clear how you could think I was even implying that Martok's motives were the same, of course they are not, T'Kuvma was a bigoted fool, Martok is not. However according to Discovery and DS9 that is what those actions mean according to Klingon tradition.

What I was saying that Discovery doesn't say that is what those actions mean.

The Beacon of Kahless wasn't supposed to herald the return/rebirth of Kahless, nor was the person who lit it, or whoever ordered whoever lit it, supposed to be Kahless returned/reborn. The Beacon was just a mythological object that the Klingons believed would signal the empire to untie against a common foe. Kahless's return/rebirth was entirely unrelated to it.

T'Kuvma just used his finding it as a means to try to bolster his claim that he was Kahless reborn.