Atmospheric Sulphur has been declining since the 70's in NA, and early 80's in EU...

Just one example:

www.epa.gov/airtrends/aqtrnd99/pdfs/Chapter7.pdf

Quoting: SnakeAirlines

Hmmmm . . . I noticed these measurements are all ground measurements . . . Obviously showing EPA is doing a fine job in ground source abatement . . . Wonder what percentage of the decrease was due to all that additional air traffic added during the same years . . . Spewing out more sulfur compounds than ever before . . . Subtract low altitude for high altitude injection of sulfur I think . . .

Uh oh!

More facts that Noble's buddy will ignore...

Atmospheric Sulphur has been declining since the 70's in NA, and early 80's in EU...

Just one example:

www.epa.gov/airtrends/aqtrnd99/pdfs/Chapter7.pdf

Quoting: SnakeAirlines

Seems this info from 2011 conflicts with your statement. . ..

NOAA study: Increase in particles high in Earth’s atmosphere has offset some recent climate warming

July 21, 2011

A recent increase in the abundance of particles high in the atmosphere has offset about a third of the current climate warming influence of carbon dioxide (CO2) change during the past decade, according to a new study led by NOAA and published today in the online edition of Science

“Stratospheric aerosol increased surprisingly rapidly in that time, almost doubling during the decade,” Daniel said. “The increase in aerosols since 2000 implies a cooling effect of about 0.1 watts per square meter – enough to offset some of the 0.28 watts per square meter warming effect from the carbon dioxide increase during that same period.”Sources of aerosols reach the stratosphere from above and below as shown in the graph. Sulfur dioxide (SO2), carbonyl sulfide (OCS), and dimethyl sulfide(DMS) are the dominant surface emissions which contribute to aerosol formation. [link to www.noaanews.noaa.gov]

My NOTE: There is no evidence the sulfur compounds are all from surface emissions . . . why . . . they were measured in or near the stratosphere . . .

My NOTE: There is no evidence the sulfur compounds are all from surface emissions . . . why . . . they were measured in or near the stratosphere . . .

Quoting: George B

Yes there is...

And levels are still lower than they were in the 70's...

BTW...From your link:

“The ‘background’ stratospheric aerosols are more of a player than we thought,” said Daniel. “The last decade has shown us that it doesn’t take an extremely large volcanic eruption for these aerosols to be important to climate.”

Quoting: SnakeAirlines

That is simply because the concept of chemtrails is totally alien to their world view . . , since they are . . . The only logical explanation is volcanic sources which they have already stated were in decline . . .

That is simply because the concept of chemtrails is totally alien to their world view

Quoting: George B

Or they are 'simply' more intelligent than you...

Quoting: SnakeAirlines

Or maybe I am more insightful and willing to explore more rational explanations . . . They are trying to fit a square peg into a round hole . . . simply because they are not allowed to think freely and consider aerosol sources other than volcanoes. . . .

More particulate in the stratosphere than can be explained = (unknown source) + declining ground sources - major volcanic eruptions

More particulate in the stratosphere than can be explained unknown source

Quoting: George B

Except I proved with your own link that NOAA disagrees with you...

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6288112

You have proven they don't accept any answer that is not politically correct for them to make . . .

Quoting: George B

Of COURSE you know better than real scientists...

Quoting: SnakeAirlines

It is not the first time scientists have had blinders on . . . I would point to the struggle Physicians had accepting the role of germs and the need for hand washing and sterile techniques between treating patients . . .

The study had painstakingly gone on for three years, compiling large amounts of data. Through the death of a friend and mentor, an insight came to him that helped him solve the riddle. It was common practice for students and doctors to go to the delivery wards just after completing autopsies for research or classroom studies. Sanitary conditions were primitive, for this was before germ theory was developed. Often, physicians did not wash their hands between autopsy and delivery. As a result, they were carrying an invisible particle of infection on their hands from the cadavers to the mothers. In other words, the doctors were inadvertently introducing into the mother’s body the infection that would kill her. This would also explain the discrepancy between the two divisions: midwives did not do autopsies.

Semmelweis ordered the doctors and students in his division to adopt a hand-washing technique employing a chlorine solution before they delivered any baby. The change had an immediate impact. In 1848, the first full year of hand-washing techniques were applied; and deaths fell dramatically, moving in line with rates from the other division and rates reported for home births. The mortality rate after hand washing dropped from 1 in 10 to 1 in 100.

While this was a major break-through, do you think the medical world and work immediately celebrated? No. In fact, Semmelweis was not reappointed to his position the next year. Even worse, it was so divisive that his division discontinued the hand-washing practice after he was not reappointed, and the mortality rate among mothers returned to their much-higher rates. It would be almost 20 years before it was shown how Semmelweis’ “invisible cadaver particles”—caused putrefaction in dead bodies and hospitals began to adapt the practical strategies of minimizing infection.

The study had painstakingly gone on for three years, compiling large amounts of data. Through the death of a friend and mentor, an insight came to him that helped him solve the riddle. It was common practice for students and doctors to go to the delivery wards just after completing autopsies for research or classroom studies. Sanitary conditions were primitive, for this was before germ theory was developed. Often, physicians did not wash their hands between autopsy and delivery. As a result, they were carrying an invisible particle of infection on their hands from the cadavers to the mothers. In other words, the doctors were inadvertently introducing into the mother’s body the infection that would kill her. This would also explain the discrepancy between the two divisions: midwives did not do autopsies.

Semmelweis ordered the doctors and students in his division to adopt a hand-washing technique employing a chlorine solution before they delivered any baby. The change had an immediate impact. In 1848, the first full year of hand-washing techniques were applied; and deaths fell dramatically, moving in line with rates from the other division and rates reported for home births. The mortality rate after hand washing dropped from 1 in 10 to 1 in 100.

While this was a major break-through, do you think the medical world and work immediately celebrated? No. In fact, Semmelweis was not reappointed to his position the next year. Even worse, it was so divisive that his division discontinued the hand-washing practice after he was not reappointed, and the mortality rate among mothers returned to their much-higher rates. It would be almost 20 years before it was shown how Semmelweis’ “invisible cadaver particles”—caused putrefaction in dead bodies and hospitals began to adapt the practical strategies of minimizing infection.

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Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional, except for death and taxes . . . George B

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Quoting: George B

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1611462

Thanks !!!

Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional, except for death and taxes . . . George B

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Quoting: George B

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1611462

Thanks !!!

Quoting: George B

You're very welcome, George. Very much appreciate all the knowledge you put into these posts.

You have proven they don't accept any answer that is not politically correct for them to make . . .

Quoting: George B

Of COURSE you know better than real scientists...

Quoting: SnakeAirlines

It is not the first time scientists have had blinders on . . . I would point to the struggle Physicians had accepting the role of germs and the need for hand washing and sterile techniques between treating patients . . .

The study had painstakingly gone on for three years, compiling large amounts of data. Through the death of a friend and mentor, an insight came to him that helped him solve the riddle. It was common practice for students and doctors to go to the delivery wards just after completing autopsies for research or classroom studies. Sanitary conditions were primitive, for this was before germ theory was developed. Often, physicians did not wash their hands between autopsy and delivery. As a result, they were carrying an invisible particle of infection on their hands from the cadavers to the mothers. In other words, the doctors were inadvertently introducing into the mother’s body the infection that would kill her. This would also explain the discrepancy between the two divisions: midwives did not do autopsies.

Semmelweis ordered the doctors and students in his division to adopt a hand-washing technique employing a chlorine solution before they delivered any baby. The change had an immediate impact. In 1848, the first full year of hand-washing techniques were applied; and deaths fell dramatically, moving in line with rates from the other division and rates reported for home births. The mortality rate after hand washing dropped from 1 in 10 to 1 in 100.

While this was a major break-through, do you think the medical world and work immediately celebrated? No. In fact, Semmelweis was not reappointed to his position the next year. Even worse, it was so divisive that his division discontinued the hand-washing practice after he was not reappointed, and the mortality rate among mothers returned to their much-higher rates. It would be almost 20 years before it was shown how Semmelweis’ “invisible cadaver particles”—caused putrefaction in dead bodies and hospitals began to adapt the practical strategies of minimizing infection.

I have never been on the "chemtrail" bandwagon, and still call them contrails, but I don't believe them to be pure clean water vapor.

Do contrails contain aluminum, aluminum oxide, and other minerals and chemicals? Of course they do, in trace amounts. You can't have an aluminum aircraft with mostly aluminum engine parts not exhausting small amounts of aluminum through engine wear. Of course, the same thing is true of modern automobiles with aluminum engine parts.

Finding aluminum in tree bark is hardly conclusive proof that it fell from the sky. It could have been blown in by a storm front from a nearby open pit mine, the nearest highway, a local factory, et cetera...

When I start hearing from a multitude of airline mechanics about unknown tanks, hoses, and external nozzles on the aircraft they work on, I'll reconsider this subject.

Quoting: Rabid_Wolf

Ask Noble why the maximum standard for sulfur compounds in jets fuel is 3,000 ppm when the fuels delivered supposedly everyday to aircraft averages 300 - 500 ppm . . Also ask why research was conducted to see how fuel as high as 5,500 ppm was tested in aircraft to test the engine performance and exhaust visibility characteristics . . .this was done around 1995. . . .by-the-way the maximum standard is still 3,000 ppm while all other standards for fuel have been lower to the double digits. . . .

Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional, except for death and taxes . . . George B

You have proven they don't accept any answer that is not politically correct for them to make . . .

Quoting: George B

Of COURSE you know better than real scientists...

Quoting: SnakeAirlines

It is not the first time scientists have had blinders on . . . I would point to the struggle Physicians had accepting the role of germs and the need for hand washing and sterile techniques between treating patients . . .

The study had painstakingly gone on for three years, compiling large amounts of data. Through the death of a friend and mentor, an insight came to him that helped him solve the riddle. It was common practice for students and doctors to go to the delivery wards just after completing autopsies for research or classroom studies. Sanitary conditions were primitive, for this was before germ theory was developed. Often, physicians did not wash their hands between autopsy and delivery. As a result, they were carrying an invisible particle of infection on their hands from the cadavers to the mothers. In other words, the doctors were inadvertently introducing into the mother’s body the infection that would kill her. This would also explain the discrepancy between the two divisions: midwives did not do autopsies.

Semmelweis ordered the doctors and students in his division to adopt a hand-washing technique employing a chlorine solution before they delivered any baby. The change had an immediate impact. In 1848, the first full year of hand-washing techniques were applied; and deaths fell dramatically, moving in line with rates from the other division and rates reported for home births. The mortality rate after hand washing dropped from 1 in 10 to 1 in 100.

While this was a major break-through, do you think the medical world and work immediately celebrated? No. In fact, Semmelweis was not reappointed to his position the next year. Even worse, it was so divisive that his division discontinued the hand-washing practice after he was not reappointed, and the mortality rate among mothers returned to their much-higher rates. It would be almost 20 years before it was shown how Semmelweis’ “invisible cadaver particles”—caused putrefaction in dead bodies and hospitals began to adapt the practical strategies of minimizing infection.

I have never been on the "chemtrail" bandwagon, and still call them contrails, but I don't believe them to be pure clean water vapor.

Do contrails contain aluminum, aluminum oxide, and other minerals and chemicals? Of course they do, in trace amounts. You can't have an aluminum aircraft with mostly aluminum engine parts not exhausting small amounts of aluminum through engine wear. Of course, the same thing is true of modern automobiles with aluminum engine parts.

Finding aluminum in tree bark is hardly conclusive proof that it fell from the sky. It could have been blown in by a storm front from a nearby open pit mine, the nearest highway, a local factory, et cetera...

When I start hearing from a multitude of airline mechanics about unknown tanks, hoses, and external nozzles on the aircraft they work on, I'll reconsider this subject.

Quoting: Rabid_Wolf

Ask Noble why the maximum standard for sulfur compounds in jets fuel is 3,000 ppm when the fuels delivered supposedly everyday to aircraft averages 300 - 500 ppm . . Also ask why research was conducted to see how fuel as high as 5,500 ppm was tested in aircraft to test the engine performance and exhaust visibility characteristics . . .this was done around 1995. . . .by-the-way the maximum standard is still 3,000 ppm while all other standards for fuel have been lower to the double digits. . . .

Quoting: George B

Ask Noble why the maximum standard for sulfur compounds in jets fuel is 3,000 ppm when the fuels delivered supposedly everyday to aircraft averages 300 - 500 ppm . . Also ask why research was conducted to see how fuel as high as 5,500 ppm was tested in aircraft to test the engine performance and exhaust visibility characteristics . . .this was done around 1995. . . .by-the-way the maximum standard is still 3,000 ppm while all other standards for fuel have been lower to the double digits. . . .

Quoting: George B

I don't need to ask about that one.

Fuel is cheaper with higher sulfur content in it. Removing the sulfur from the fuel drives up the price.Domestic (US) crude oil can have up to 2.5% sulfur content which needs to be removed during the refining process.

(Humans do really stupid shit to save money)

Quoting: Rabid_Wolf

2.5% is roughly 2,500 ppm. . . Still a far cry fro 5,500 ppm tested. . . Also, you have just demonstrated how refineries could just pass through 2,500 ppm to airlines cheaper than removing it . . . What an incentive to cooperate or look the other way when necessary . . .

Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional, except for death and taxes . . . George B

Correction for above . . . 2.5% is 25,000 ppm . . . So oil supplied from US wells have about ten times more sulfur than is the maximum allowed . . . So all a refinery has to do is refine out less sulfur than normal and they can easily produce 3,000 ppm or even 5,500 ppm oil . . .

Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional, except for death and taxes . . . George B

Conspiracies by their nature are difficult to suppress or argue against because at their foundation is the belief that information has and is being intentionally withheld . . .

Those who are the experts are intelligent enough or should be intelligent enough to understand that . . . Therefore, if they wish to quell a conspiracy they feel is wrong . . . it takes ten times the effort other arguments require . . . IMO, They have not done so . . .

It is true people who believe in conspiracies in general are more intuitive than others who rely on concrete, verifiable, evidence . . . However, this doesn't make them wrong . . . it makes them more difficult to argue with . . .

Quoting: George B

LOL!!! You actually believe it's a REQUIREMENT for the experts to put 10 times more effort into proving chemtards wrong?! No wonder they don't try as hard as you'd like! It's just not worth the effort! In their minds, they feel the chemtards are just a bunch of online losers who are too stupid to grasp the concepts no matter how well they are explained.

And PLEASE back up that statement about how conspiracy nuts are more "intuitive". If you ask me, you are confusing the words imaginative and intuitive! Ill give the chemtards this...they are CERTAINLY imaginative...just as Chicken Little and Don Quixote. That DOESN'T make them right!

They aren't "difficult" to argue with..they are hilarious to argue with!

Quoting: Noble

It is their burden if they wish to change the minds of chemtrail advocates . . .

Intuitive or imaginative . . . Whatever you wish to call it is fine with me . . .

Quoting: George B

They don't care...It's NOT their burden! chemtards try to MAKE it their burden, but the onus is on the chemtards to prove there are any such things as "chemtrails". So far, chemtards have failed to support their accusations.

I also call them "delusional". Thanks for your support.

Quoting: Noble

Feelings are mutual . . . Chemtrail advocate think the "experts" are just too conditioned by their training, education and career restraints to think with an open mind . . . We think their inability to see common sense is delusional as well . . .

Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional, except for death and taxes . . . George B

LOL!!! You actually believe it's a REQUIREMENT for the experts to put 10 times more effort into proving chemtards wrong?! No wonder they don't try as hard as you'd like! It's just not worth the effort! In their minds, they feel the chemtards are just a bunch of online losers who are too stupid to grasp the concepts no matter how well they are explained.

And PLEASE back up that statement about how conspiracy nuts are more "intuitive". If you ask me, you are confusing the words imaginative and intuitive! Ill give the chemtards this...they are CERTAINLY imaginative...just as Chicken Little and Don Quixote. That DOESN'T make them right!

They aren't "difficult" to argue with..they are hilarious to argue with!

Quoting: Noble

It is their burden if they wish to change the minds of chemtrail advocates . . .

Intuitive or imaginative . . . Whatever you wish to call it is fine with me . . .

Quoting: George B

They don't care...It's NOT their burden! chemtards try to MAKE it their burden, but the onus is on the chemtards to prove there are any such things as "chemtrails". So far, chemtards have failed to support their accusations.

I also call them "delusional". Thanks for your support.

Quoting: Noble

Feelings are mutual . . . Chemtrail advocate think the "experts" are just too conditioned by their training, education and career restraints to think with an open mind . . . We think their inability to see common sense is delusional as well . . .

Quoting: George B

Any excuse to bump your own thread.

Like this exchange needed to be saved...

Pathetic.

The fact that you believe that chemtards have "common sense" because they connect dots that don't exist, is hilarious.

It is their burden if they wish to change the minds of chemtrail advocates . . .

Intuitive or imaginative . . . Whatever you wish to call it is fine with me . . .

Quoting: George B

They don't care...It's NOT their burden! chemtards try to MAKE it their burden, but the onus is on the chemtards to prove there are any such things as "chemtrails". So far, chemtards have failed to support their accusations.

I also call them "delusional". Thanks for your support.

Quoting: Noble

Feelings are mutual . . . Chemtrail advocate think the "experts" are just too conditioned by their training, education and career restraints to think with an open mind . . . We think their inability to see common sense is delusional as well . . .

Quoting: George B

Any excuse to bump your own thread.

Like this exchange needed to be saved...

Pathetic.

The fact that you believe that chemtards have "common sense" because they connect dots that don't exist, is hilarious.

Quoting: Noble

I actually thought I made a good point. . . .sorry if you disagree. . . .NOT!!!!!!

Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional, except for death and taxes . . . George B

They don't care...It's NOT their burden! chemtards try to MAKE it their burden, but the onus is on the chemtards to prove there are any such things as "chemtrails". So far, chemtards have failed to support their accusations.

I also call them "delusional". Thanks for your support.

Quoting: Noble

Feelings are mutual . . . Chemtrail advocate think the "experts" are just too conditioned by their training, education and career restraints to think with an open mind . . . We think their inability to see common sense is delusional as well . . .

Quoting: George B

Any excuse to bump your own thread.

Like this exchange needed to be saved...

Pathetic.

The fact that you believe that chemtards have "common sense" because they connect dots that don't exist, is hilarious.

Quoting: Noble

I actually thought I made a good point. . . .sorry if you disagree. . . .NOT!!!!!!

Some people might not notice. Others might not care. But even folks who can't tell a picture-postcard blue sky from its milky, geoengineered cousin might be able to detect other side effects of using sulfate to cool the planet.

Some people might not notice. Others might not care. But even folks who can't tell a picture-postcard blue sky from its milky, geoengineered cousin might be able to detect other side effects of using sulfate to cool the planet.

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Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional, except for death and taxes . . . George B

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Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional, except for death and taxes . . . George B

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Quoting: George B

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5141990

Your Bump is appreciated !!!!! . . .

Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional, except for death and taxes . . . George B