We plan to have several interactive elements, walls to write on, things to find, and a furry wall to stroke if it's all getting too much. It's not an easy maze by any means - I've been refining the design on this since last July! But there are emergency exits, which I'm thinking are a good idea. It shouldn't be too claustrophobic as there are 2nd-tier bridges to look out from and a large percentage of the walls are fencing and see-through. We also plan to have a minotaur...

Finally, it's also doubling as our wedding venue on the Friday afternoon!

If anyone's got any comments, suggestions, questions or is even interested in helping build it and joining our theme camp then let us know.

Would be interested to see if anyone has some additional ideas on how we can make the walls more interactive. The cheaper/simpler the better! Here's our current ideas:

> We have a furry wall if you've had a Jeffrey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4Q9O3AnWto> Plan to have various "Question walls" with pens attached for participants to answer. e.g. "What's your biggest secret?" "What's your best advice for a new burner?" "What's your favourite quote?" Feel free to suggest others!> Some walls will have signs. Only a small proportion will have useful information (e.g. "don't go this way"). Some will be deliberately unhelpful/misleading in terms of direction. Some will have (hopefully!) amusing quotes, slogans, bumpersticker type things. Feel free to suggest some or things you've seen that have made you smile!> Some walls will have things to "find". As well as getting to the exit, a secondary objective is to find a set of symbols hidden throughout the maze.> Some walls we will unleash to artists to decorate as they please.

In the build video it appears to be put together with drywall screws which in my experience don't have a particularly high shear strength. With all those flat surfaces you might want to calculate how much force a strong wind gust will exert on this structure to avoid catastrophic failure.

Savannah: I don't know what it is, but no thread here escapes alive. You'll get 1 or 2 real answers at minimum, occasionally 10 or 12, and then we flog it until it's unrecognizable and you can't get your deposit back.

I'm a bit of a noob when it comes to all the different screw types. We'll be using a combination of 1"-4" screws. The 4" ones are used to go right through the 2x3 into the next piece, as you probably saw in the video. I can't remember what the screw type was. If you (or anyone) has got any specific recommendations for the longer screws (i.e. 2" -4") for dimensional lumber, then that's appreciated.It needs to be factored in that they need to come out too, as we're not planning on burning this beast.

I take your concern about wind strength. What seems pretty clear from the test builds is that the more of the structure there is, the stronger it gets as everything is joined to everything else. Also, because the solid OSB walls are dispersed throughout and at various angles, I'm thinking this won't be too much of an issue. The fact that pretty much all the outer wall is snow fence should help with dispersing the force of the wind too. Basically the whole thing is one big unit with no real weak point. We'll probably make sure those outer walls have extra screws and brackets to make sure though.

Drywall screws are typically black in color, and usually specified as being for drywall. I would suggest using gold wood screws or even green outdoor deck screws. I also noticed in your video that some of the areas where you screwed things together had split where you screwed them. That is a for-sure fail point, and you should pre drill the screw holes to prevent that from happening.

OK, well I checked and all the screws were "gold" even if the colour of them wasn't!

Again, I take the point on wood splitting, Joshua. I think that was mostly due to people trying to drive too near the thin end of those wedge joists. The screws we used have a special part at the end where effectively one side" is flat. That's supposed to mean you don't need pilot holes and in practise we had very few problems just going straight in.

We're doing a timed build next weekend so it's another chance to practise and see what works and what's quickest.

Bob - wasn't planning on staking it to the ground. The whole concept was built around not needing to go into the playa and making it sturdy enough and heavy enough not to need that. The only parts that I was planning to go into the ground were the base of each of the ladders, to keep them sturdy. And that by just bending some rebar over the bottom rung, which we'll build so it actually sits on the floor. I dare say we'll take extra rebar out there which we could use to take the corners/edges into the ground, but I think that'll be over-engineering it.

The prototype's we've built have had pretty strong winds and rain (not by choice!), but not as strong as it gets on the playa. But even the small prototypes we've done have hardly budged from that, just due to where the joins/screws are and the fact that it's all effectively one piece. Also, considering that the whole thing will weigh a LOT and that it's all joined together, I imagine that the wind won't do much even to a panel that's perpendicular to it. The snow fence will take some of the strength of the wind out too by the time it hits the panels.

This will be the 3rd maze I've built out on the playa and it's by far the most rugged. We are building another prototype next weekend though and I intend for one of the tests to be that a couple of us just charge at the walls together. If we do more damage to ourselves than to the wall then I think they'll take the wind. I'm far more concerned at this stage about the impact of "enthusiastic" burners than the elements...

Masho - yes, I'm looking forward to having a minotaur in there, especially at night... But our lead minotaur is typically approaching this with a burner mentality. i.e. sometimes be charging around and scary, other times just being "moody" or in need of a hug.

I think it'll be a very satisfying maze to complete. It's going to be really easy to get out, just not to get to the actual goal exit. And we intend to make the journey fun as well as frustrating.

carefactornil wrote:Masho - yes, I'm looking forward to having a minotaur in there, especially at night... But our lead minotaur is typically approaching this with a burner mentality. i.e. sometimes be charging around and scary, other times just being "moody" or in need of a hug.

I think it'll be a very satisfying maze to complete. It's going to be really easy to get out, just not to get to the actual goal exit. And we intend to make the journey fun as well as frustrating.

night minotaur +2scary minotaur that needs hugs? I'll have to experience that first hand

I like this idea. The only thing about this that worries me is that Mazes and Minotaurs have a well known tendency to attract Greek Heroes, particularly Theseus (accursed by Grad Students everywhere). Greek Heroes like to slaughter first and ask questions later (as well as ravishing beautiful maidens and comely lads (perhaps not unwelcome at BM)). So, my question is, will it be a Big Fat Greek Wedding or what??

It'll wobble a little bit (as a whole) but I'm really struggling to see how attaching it to the ground will help. I'm loathe to go into the playa unnecessarily, because of the effort involved and the impact to the playa, something I was keen to avoid doing at all.

I've not calculated the overall weight yet, but I imagine it'll run into 1,000's of kilos, if not 10,000's. That's a lot heavier than me, a car or possibly even a large RV. And none of those things are going to be tethered to the ground to prevent strong winds playing havoc with them.

It's not totally inconceivable that a piece might break free (ripping out a lot of 4" screws and brackets in the process...) but I don't think tethering the bottom or outer wall of the structure to the ground will prevent that.

Still, we'll do some more destructive testing of the weakest spots at the weekend on the next build.

carefactornil wrote:That's cool. I'll definitely be taking plenty of spare rebar with us - even if we don't use it for the maze or the camp, there's always someone who needs more!

We seem critical and picky. But remember there is a lot of collective experience on eplaya. There are many ways of not doing stuff right on the playa and I suspect everyone who has commented has tried that wrong way at least once Therefore we are just trying to pass on that experience to you...

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I never saw the maze.. but spending some time with the creator of the maze as he wandered up to me while wearing the light suit on Monday night, deep playa, while both of us were mutually.. *cough*.. enlightened.. was one of my most favorite people interactions of the entire burn. Awesome, awesome guy. I quite enjoyed our stroll together..