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The mediaone.net domain is going away 3/15. Mediaone.net users
are getting new addresses in the attbi.com domain, but there's no
way to tell what the user's email address will be (since the
@home customers got first dibs, lots of Mediaone.net customers
had to change their usernames).
You might wanna prod your subscribers to make sure they have
moved their subscriptions to their new addresses.
Also, please feel free to pass this on to other list-owners you
may know...
-jeff
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Not that I care much, but I know they've been surveying list managers
about pay options (pay for no spam, etc). I wonder if this outage is
releated to sotware changes for supporting this new (to them) option.
I run 4 low volume lists there, though my biggie (700 subscribers,
50-70 messages per day) is on a majordomo server.
- michael
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To: Anastasios Kotsikonas ,
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From: Nick Simicich
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When I saw that listproc was going open source, I was sort of pleased - I
have managed mailing lists that ran under Listserv for some time, and now
under Listproc, and I had a sentimental spot in my heart for it. There
are a whole bunch of things it does just really, really well. But I run
this stuff as a hobby, from my home system, and I could not imagine paying
for a MLM, and I also was in the situation of not quite fitting into their
"Lite" license (including that minor issue of not having source). So it
was never an option for my home system.
So when I heard that listproc was open source now, I ran off and grabbed a
copy, and began trying to install it.
I grabbed the stuff off of the sourceforge site, and started following
directions to do the installation. I blew it by not following the
directions closely enough, and then started doing things step by
step. Finally, I got to a point where the instructions seemed to be
calling for a section that was not there, the tar of text files. I could
not find them. There was some indication that I might not need them (there
was one point in the doc where they implied that you would only need the
text files if you were going to run the test suite which they said up front
was not included with the released source. I got through compiling on
Linux (I needed to write one patch that was rather minor, a one liner
involving a call to va_arg with a char - the new instructions say that you
call with an "int" and cast the output to a char, because of argument
promotion) but other than a lot of warning messages, I had no issues and
got the compile and what they called the binary install done.
But the issue at the end was that I could not get it to work.
My belief is that the stuff available on the open source site is not
complete - that is, the source does not contain all of the pieces that are
actually required to do an installation of listproc. You need a set of
text files (and sample config files would be nice) to actually do an
installation, and the listproc sources don't contain them. When you look at
the instructions, at some point, once you have a clean compile, they tell
you to get a copy of an installation, which it still seems you have to pay
for unless you are a member. The text files include, I believe, command
responses, the text that is returned by an info command, and some other
things like that.
I may well be wrong about this --- but I did an installation using what was
labeled as the stable source off of sourceforge, and things are failing,
and in so far as I can analyze the problem, this seems to be the issue,
missing files. I sent a note off to the support list, but it is too soon
to tell if I will get an answer yet or not.
I do note that the sample config files are not included with the source
package either, and you are going nowhere fast without them. However, the
main config was published a few days ago on the support list and I grabbed
a copy. (Someone else is doing an install from source). This allowed me to
get far enough to create a list, but this does not allow me to do other
things with the list, like subscribe people to it. Bummer.
But, as noted here, if you have an existing license, the new sources might
be a good thing for you. If you do not, it may not be possible to start
with the sources on sourceforge and arrive at a working listproc.
As I continue to look for a replacement for my much modified Majordomo 1,
listproc was tempting, for sentimental reasons if nothing else. However,
Mailman might well be the winner. Or I could just have screwed up
something. But my belief is that if you go to sourceforge looking for the
sources to try and do a from scratch listproc install, you are going to
feel burned at the end of the process. (Or maybe you are smarter than I
am, in that case, help.)
If someone knows better than I do, please enlighten me. I was really
hoping that we would have an industrial strength open-source mailing list
manager available. And I was hoping that I could replace my aging
Majordomo 1 installation with Listproc. But I don't want to run around
scrounging for stuff to try to run the installation - if the sources and
support files are not all in one place, I may just run something else. If
my diagnosis is correct, and the people who prepare custom installs want to
keep doing it, they just want to say, "Our product is open-source," well,
I'll use something else.
When you go to the site, you see a pointer to builds and the source.
If you are lazy like I am, you check the builds first, and this is all it
says on the page:
http://listproc.sourceforge.net/builds.html
>If you are interested in becoming a CREN member, or if you are interested in
>purchasing a pre-compiled version of CREN-ListProc, contact Jim Reynolds,
>CREN System Administrator.
From the build instruction under the source page:
http://listproc.sourceforge.net/source/BUILD.txt
>No existing ListProc Installation:
>
> If you do not have an existing ListProc install the safest thing is
> to get one from us and install and configure it according to the
> instructions, and play with it a bit. ListProc depends on a number
> of text files being installed and configured correctly. Do this
> even if you are making a port to a new system---just don't run any
> of the binaries before you've untarred your new ones according to
> the instructions above.
>
> It would also be a good idea to look at the recently changed files
> in the the source text directory; config has almost certainly been
> changed, and you may want to merge those changes in to customize
> new features.
This, I think, supports my conclusion. If you don't have an installation,
you need to get one, which means you either need to be a CREN member or you
need to purchase one.
In either case, I am out in the cold trying to use listproc.
At 08:45 AM 2002-02-15 -0500, Anastasios Kotsikonas wrote:
>I just saw CREN's announcement to abandon their re-write effort, 9.0.
>When I left the project I had hoped it would get the attention it
>deserved. Nonetheless, I think this is good news. I hope the community
>will take care of the product. I will go around announcing to all
>6.0x registered users that the 8.2_09 source code is now available!
>
>tasos
>
> >
> > If you want to take a look-see/use/contribute-to an industrial
> > strength mailing-list manager, CREN's ListProc was has been
> > open-sourced and made available via Sourceforge.
> >
> > http://listproc.sourceforge.net/index.html
> >
> > - michael
--
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degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is
worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to
fight, nothing he cares about more than his own personal safety, is a
miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made so by the
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At 12:10 AM 3/10/02, Nick Simicich wrote:
>I was really hoping that we would have an industrial strength open-source mailing list manager available.
Have you looked at Majordomo2 ?
It's technically not released, or even in beta, but I've
been using Mj2 for a couple dozen lists for several years now.
Lots of stuff (like per-user moderation) that Mj1 didn't have.
I'm certain you're enough of a techie to check out the source
using CVS, but the code snapshot tarballs may not be up to date.
Start at http://www.hpc.uh.edu/majordomo/#mj2
SRE
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At 09:50 AM 2002-03-10 -0800, SRE wrote:
>At 12:10 AM 3/10/02, Nick Simicich wrote:
> >I was really hoping that we would have an industrial strength
> open-source mailing list manager available.
>
>Have you looked at Majordomo2 ?
I was on the developers list for quite a while. It seemed that Mj2 was not
ready for prime time and might never be.
>It's technically not released, or even in beta, but I've
>been using Mj2 for a couple dozen lists for several years now.
>Lots of stuff (like per-user moderation) that Mj1 didn't have.
Hmmmm....mine does. Which is one of the reasons I am looking to replace
it. It is hacked beyond recognition and I want to have something that I
can stop playing with.
--
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degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is
worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to
fight, nothing he cares about more than his own personal safety, is a
miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made so by the
exertions of better men than himself. -- John Stuart Mill
Nick Simicich - njs@scifi.squawk.com
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At 7:08 PM -0500 3/10/02, Nick Simicich wrote:
>At 09:50 AM 2002-03-10 -0800, SRE wrote:
>>At 12:10 AM 3/10/02, Nick Simicich wrote:
>> >I was really hoping that we would have an industrial strength
>>open-source mailing list manager available.
>>
>>Have you looked at Majordomo2 ?
>
>I was on the developers list for quite a while. It seemed that Mj2
>was not ready for prime time and might never be.
I switched all the GreatCircle.COM lists (including List-Manglers)
over to Mj2 a about 3 months ago. We've been pretty happy with it.
The only area where we've had some difficulties has been with
digests; I haven't had time to dig into it yet, but the digest code
seems somewhat flaky (one of our more active digests, for example,
keeps getting stuck in a time warp, with old messages reappearing in
the digest).
I'd have to say that the Mj2 documentation is already far better than
the Mj1 documentation ever was... In my opinion, about all that Mj2
needs in order to be "released" is for somebody to package it up into
the common distribution formats (Redhat .rpm and Debian .deb, to
begin with).
-Brent
--
Brent Chapman
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At 07:08 PM 3/10/2002 -0500, Nick Simicich wrote:
>I was on the developers list for quite a while. It seemed that Mj2 was
>not ready for prime time and might never be.
I'm running a site with over 50,000 subscribers in 13 subdomains, with
lists of 5,000 or so, quite happily on it.
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At 11:47 AM 2002-03-11 +1100, Brent Chapman wrote:
>>>Have you looked at Majordomo2 ?
>>
>>I was on the developers list for quite a while. It seemed that Mj2 was
>>not ready for prime time and might never be.
>
>I switched all the GreatCircle.COM lists (including List-Manglers) over to
>Mj2 a about 3 months ago. We've been pretty happy with it. The only area
>where we've had some difficulties has been with digests; I haven't had
>time to dig into it yet, but the digest code seems somewhat flaky (one of
>our more active digests, for example, keeps getting stuck in a time warp,
>with old messages reappearing in the digest).
I guess I'd consider this sort of problem to be a show stopper. This is
the sort of thing I was referring to when I said that I thought it might
not be ready for prime time.
>I'd have to say that the Mj2 documentation is already far better than the
>Mj1 documentation ever was... In my opinion, about all that Mj2 needs in
>order to be "released" is for somebody to package it up into the common
>distribution formats (Redhat .rpm and Debian .deb, to begin with).
Well, it is not hard for doc to be better than MJ1's doc was. The point to
me is that there are a huge number of MLMs out there at this point, whereas
back when I picked Majordomo, there was MJ and Listproc and listproc, even
the "lite" version had this whacky license. Now there are a whole bunch of
free ones. I at least want to pick one where the basic functions are
straightforward and reasonably reliable.
So far I have installed listproc and listar and I have mailman - it turns
out it comes with the Redhat system. Someone else has suggested sympa in
private e-mail.
I suspect that every one of these packages have "doc" that is better than
MJ1. I guess I'm just indecisive.
--
War is an ugly thing, but it is not the ugliest of things. The decayed and
degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is
worth war is much worse. A man who has nothing for which he is willing to
fight, nothing he cares about more than his own personal safety, is a
miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made so by the
exertions of better men than himself. -- John Stuart Mill
Nick Simicich - njs@scifi.squawk.com
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Subject: Re: ListProc has been open-sourced
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At 09:04 PM 3/10/2002 -0500, Nick Simicich wrote:
>At 11:47 AM 2002-03-11 +1100, Brent Chapman wrote:
>>I switched all the GreatCircle.COM lists (including List-Manglers) over
>>to Mj2 a about 3 months ago. We've been pretty happy with it. The only
>>area where we've had some difficulties has been with digests; I haven't
>>had time to dig into it yet, but the digest code seems somewhat flaky
>>(one of our more active digests, for example, keeps getting stuck in a
>>time warp, with old messages reappearing in the digest).
>
>I guess I'd consider this sort of problem to be a show stopper. This is
>the sort of thing I was referring to when I said that I thought it might
>not be ready for prime time.
I've never seen this. And, like I said, we've been in production for about
6 months.
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From: Jim Osborn
To: list managers
Subject: Re: ListProc has been open-sourced
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All this discussion of Majordomo and Listproc reminds me of the
saga of MLManagement here at Eskimo, where I maintain a list
(I'm just a user, not a sysadmin). When MJ became too much of
a burden on Eskimo's resources, through inefficient delivery
and lax dead-subscriber autoremoval, they tried Listproc.
After fighting with LP for nearly a month, they finally
switched to SmartList, which is built around Procmail.
That was many years ago, maybe 1996 or 1998 and the system has
been rock solid ever since. I can't speak for how hard it is
to do the initial install, but knowing Procmail, I suspect it's
not very hard. I know some of Eskimo's requirements were runtime
efficiency, as they're a small ISP, and security.
The best feature, from my list maintainer's perspective, is its
ultimate configurability. With a few simple Procmail recipes I
can do anything I've ever wanted to my list, from removing
free-mailer advertisements, blocking html posts, moderating
individual subscribers' posts, passing posters' test messages
back to the poster without sharing them with the whole list,
stripping excess quotation from the digest version, etc.,
as well as great spam blockage.
The original poster wanted open source; you can't get more
open source than SmartList... :)
Cheers,
Jim
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At 11:37 PM 3/10/2002 -0800, Jim Osborn wrote:
>The best feature, from my list maintainer's perspective, is its
>ultimate configurability.
Well, yes, for you and people like you, I'm sure. But I can assure you
that 95% of my list owners couldn't code a procmail recipe if their lives
depended on it.
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Nick Simicich wrote:
> My belief is that the stuff available on the open source site is not
> complete - that is, the source does not contain all of the pieces that
> are actually required to do an installation of listproc. You need a set
> of text files (and sample config files would be nice) to actually do an
> installation, and the listproc sources don't contain them. When you look
> at the instructions, at some point, once you have a clean compile, they
> tell you to get a copy of an installation, which it still seems you have
> to pay for unless you are a member. The text files include, I believe,
> command responses, the text that is returned by an info command, and
> some other things like that.
These files have been uploaded by the CREN people to the CVS tree @
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/listproc/listproc/text.980325-1452.tar.Z
I asked their representative to redo the tar file to have these included
by default, and to also post a link to these files for those in the same
state as Nick.
- michael
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> The original poster wanted open source; you can't get more open
> source than SmartList... :)
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Since I commented about this here in the first place, I thing I should
mention that the listproc folks are working to make the text files
available in an obvious place. There seems to be some confusion about
exactly how it will be done. and apparently they were always available in
CVS, there was just no instruction to go and look there.
So, whereas things are still being put together, it does seem to be the
listproc publisher's intention to make a complete set of installation files
available. I have to admit that I was questioning this, but it is clear
that I was premature.
At 03:53 PM 2002-02-13 -0800, Michael Coxe wrote:
>If you want to take a look-see/use/contribute-to an industrial
>strength mailing-list manager, CREN's ListProc was has been
>open-sourced and made available via Sourceforge.
>
> http://listproc.sourceforge.net/index.html
>
> - michael
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Hi,
Just this week, Yahoo has stopped accepting the same volume of mail
from some large mailing lists that I host. There's no error
message - our server connects to Yahoo's SMTP server, then the
connection is closed. This doesn't happen every time. I've observed
success/failure between 1/1 and 5/1 since this started.
Is there any Yahoo contact on this list, or can anyone give me a
phone number to contact? I've tried emailing, but have received
no response, and Customer Care simply won't put me through to any
network or mail admin.
I'm trying to work out some kind of whitelisting, or at least to
find out more about how we need to delivery email to them to have
it accepted. Even a 20% failure rate clogs the queue and slows
delivery for the entire mailing.
Thanks,
Omar
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I finally got the correct contact info from Yahoo Customer Service,
and once I emailed, they called me back within hours. Impressive.
The email address was
bulk mail inquiry at yahoo dash inc dot com
The issue is that Yahoo de-prioritizes email from IP addresses
which generate a lot of bounces. This persists for about 4
hours.
Hope this helps someone.
Omar
On Fri, Mar 22, 2002 at 07:18:28PM -0500, I wrote:
> Just this week, Yahoo has stopped accepting the same volume of mail
> from some large mailing lists that I host. There's no error
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> connection is closed. This doesn't happen every time. I've observed
> success/failure between 1/1 and 5/1 since this started.