Free speech isn't just from the perspective of government and law. Social pressure to silence is equally worrisome. Think about the social pressure towards minorities to be silent, despite their lawful ability to speak up.

Free speech isn't just from the perspective of government and law. Social pressure to silence is equally worrisome. Think about the social pressure towards minorities to be silent, despite their lawful ability to speak up.

I’m just gonna say it. People are fallible. People can make horrible mistakes in the things they say and do. Considering the amount of good he does, how positive a life he seems to lead, I do not think those mistakes of the Rock make him a flat-out “piece of shit” for life. Your mileage may vary.

Even when he had the ability to condemn MBS after they slaughtered an innocent journalist for talking shit about MBS and Saudi Kingdom?
He is a piece of shit. There are no excuses when he started getting mad after being called out.

The source of the original article was cited in its 4th sentence. People need to read articles instead of relying solely on OP's, especially when they find something they consider controversial. Too many just started piling on The Rock simply because they dislike him and therefore let their confirmation bias kick in.

Bluntly I don't think you have an actual coherent thesis nor any meaningful supporting evidence so I'll just leave you with: not every idea ought to be debated, somethings shouldn't be given respect or credibility, opinions can in fact be wrong, and deplatforming works.

Free speech isn't just from the perspective of government and law. Social pressure to silence is equally worrisome. Think about the social pressure towards minorities to be silent, despite their lawful ability to speak up.

Would you not also agree that a thread discussing a topic people might be sensitive about getting filled with "lol you outraged snowflakes" is also a form of social pressure to prevent conversation about that topic from happening?

People complaining about how "reactionary" this forum is or that Era should have known better are full of shit. I saw this article being reported by other sites before i even opened Era for the day. It spread like wild fire. This isn't an Era thing, this was a media thing. I thought it sounded out of character for The Rock but I didn't think it was blatantly fabricated. This article was a perfect Trojan horse. Completely fake, deceptively divisive, a popular celebrity, and media hungry for clicks without checking their sources. You can't paint this as some sort of spectacular failing unique to Era. This was a best case scenario for fake news, and it needed a lot of moving parts to get this far.

For all those people claiming that they "knew better" because it was a tabloid - where were you before The Rock shot this down? Certainly not in this thread.

Would you not also agree that a thread discussing a topic people might be sensitive about getting filled with "lol you outraged snowflakes" is also a form of social pressure to prevent conversation about that topic from happening?

Okay, so what confuses me is that your earlier posts seem to overlook this to (as I interpreted your wording) place the focus on the sensitive youth and how their behaviour affects speech. Can you elaborate on this in context of your new statement here?

Okay, so what confuses me is that your earlier posts seem to overlook this to (as I interpreted your wording) place the focus on the sensitive youth and how their behaviour affects speech. Can you elaborate on this in context of your new statement here?

That's my point, is that there's elements of something that ring true for slightly older leftists. I don't necessarily see being sensitive as an objectively negative thing, though. A change as major as this, comparatively to previous generations, will have consequences that are both positive and negative. Being accommodating and understanding of historically oppressed peoples is one of the best parts of it.

But to ignore the downsides of the thing, or even worse, to label and quarantine those on the same side who point it out, feels dangerous. Everyone is familiar with the phrase, "the left eats its own", and as seemingly trite and overused as it is, there is some truth to it.

Part 1) Well it doesn't start with not voting against the white supremacist because the gods told you not to! And acting like Clinton and Trump were equally bad. It also doesn't start with saying you find not voting understandable given the two candidates.

I don't recall people going that far. There were pot shots especially about his support of the Saudi prince and for mocking someone fornusing "non-masculine" emojis (it has ). And you have your expected "well he was always shit anyway" posts.

Honestly I don't know exactly what people are considering so outrageous in this thread; I keep asking for people to quantify what they consider "outrage" so I can understand how they're parsing between someone actually experiencing a fit of rage and someone just making snide comments yet no one has obliged. I saw a couple threads last night with the word "rumor" in the title with people making similar snide remarks toward the subject of the OP and barely any pushack like in here. The only difference was that those threads weren't specifically revolving around the snowflake thing.

Even when he had the ability to condemn MBS after they slaughtered an innocent journalist for talking shit about MBS and Saudi Kingdom?
He is a piece of shit. There are no excuses when he started getting mad after being called out.

i’m just saying it’s odd that you’d go after those who were taking issue with the original statement for being reactive - but were confused as to why people agreeing with the statement were being ‘corny’ according to that other poster. didn’t mean to say that you were calling people corny.

I wasnt confused at all. I thought it was stuoid for him to call other people corny for having a different opinion than him in this thread. But i didnt call anyone corny. It was my way of trying to point out how lame that shot was

I agree, it's one of the reasons I loved GAF for years, and why I like era.

That's my point, is that there's elements of something that ring true for slightly older leftists. I don't necessarily see being sensitive as an objectively negative thing, though. A change as major as this, comparatively to previous generations, will have consequences that are both positive and negative. Being accommodating and understanding of historically oppressed peoples is one of the best parts of it.

But to ignore the downsides of the thing, or even worse, to label and quarantine those on the same side who point it out, feels dangerous. Everyone is familiar with the phrase, "the left eats its own", and as seemingly trite and overused as it is, there is some truth to it.

If I tell someone "Hey this thing you said/did is hurtful to me/x group" and their response is dismissal, they're not on my "side". And most discourse around this subject of sensitivity is little more than dismissal from what I've seen.

There is a discussion to be had around certain topics being sensitive at the moment, and the surrounding atmosphere, and etc. I don't disagree with that. But the onus is not entirely on the sensitive and we need to stop framing it that way.

While the Resetera reaction likely didn't matter, but people reaching out in social media directly to Rock and his people about the comments helped to correct the issue. Rather than people thinking that Rock is a POS over fabricated interview and people getting a validation for their shitty views by influential celebrity, the truth came out. If everyone was just silent about it, it might have not ever be corrected and the article would still be up for people to read.

If everyone was being silent about it, that would probably mean that nobody is reading it or believes it. Non-reaction does actually mean something when it comes to the not spreading certain news and the uploader not generating ed revenue.

I'm genuinely concerned for your mental wellbeing when you're equating people saying "Hey that was a dumbass thing for this guy to say" with a literal murderous mob. Talk about fucking outrage culture, jesus.

I am picturing people in this thread as similar to those mobs in India who kill others based on internet rumors. I guess it is a good thing Era are mostly nerds stuck behind keyboards at home.

If everyone was being silent about it, that would probably mean that nobody is reading it or believes it. Non-reaction does actually mean something when it comes to the not spreading certain news and the uploader not generating ed revenue.