US paid close to $50,000 per shooting spree death

Originally posted by jcarpenter
Hmmm .... $50,000 in fiat currency is worth about ..... $2.98 in real money.

Payback would be much more effective if we compensated the victims with a pound of flesh. A pound of flesh (removed from next-to-the-heart) from the
political & military perps that are responsible for these war crimes.

An added benefit to such a compensation mechanism is that these crimes and war crimes would cease immediately.

Money always talks though. Especially when they don't have much to begin with.

I'm just wondering where the Afghan outrage is over these murders? They go nuts and riot over the burning of a book, but their fellow citizens are
murdered and they are relatively quiet and quickly take blood money.

Originally posted by jcarpenter
Hmmm .... $50,000 in fiat currency is worth about ..... $2.98 in real money.

Payback would be much more effective if we compensated the victims with a pound of flesh. A pound of flesh (removed from next-to-the-heart) from the
political & military perps that are responsible for these war crimes.

An added benefit to such a compensation mechanism is that these crimes and war crimes would cease immediately.

Money always talks though. Especially when they don't have much to begin with.

I'm just wondering where the Afghan outrage is over these murders? They go nuts and riot over the burning of a book, but their fellow citizens are
murdered and they are relatively quiet and quickly take blood money.

If you spoke Arabic you would know this was a huge outrage on this, this is causing Afghani to regroup and decide what to do about the American
military and American placed government in the country.

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conclude a "Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation." States can make an "Agreement or Compact" with other states or with foreign powers but only with
consent of the Congress (Article I, section 10).

Second, treaties are negotiated and ratified by the president, but he or she must obtain the advice and consent of the Senate, two-thirds of the
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consent of the Senate only after treaty negotiations, during the period of ratification.

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that judges in every state are bound to enforce (Article VI, clause 2). The U.S. Supreme Court has on occasion asserted that it may nullify
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In the United States, however, this is only true when a treaty is designated as "self-executing." Otherwise, under U.S. law, treaties are sent to
Congress for legislative ratification and implementation.

The compensation is done by the military, not the legislative. The money paid out comes from the Pentagons budget, and the criteria to pay out is
usually reviewed and signed off on by JAG corp. Once approved the payout occurs.

It would be no different than the US military paying to rebuild a building / school etc that was damaged / destroyed. Congress is kept in the loop by
approval at this level is not needed. The settlement with individuals is not quite the same as a government to government payment /
resolution.

Since a lot of replies were about America putting more value on American lives than Afghans, does anyone know if they compensated the families of all
the slain soldiers at Ft Hood, slaughtered by an American soldier named Major Hasan? And if they did make any compensation at all, does anyone have an
amount? This will show the difference of the true value they place on American lives versus Afghans IMO, since both were American Soldiers killing
innocent people...

Originally posted by Jameela
Yes, and in American eyes Afghani are worth nothing. I am offended by it personally, and I cannot believe that the Afghan people would accept it. This
says American do not care what happened.They have their soldier and what happened means little to them. Afghani lives are worth nothing.

This is standard. We've been seeing it for a long time. A lot of Americans are white supremacists. If a person is not either white American or
Jewish, they often aren't considered human by them.

It's always entertaining to see the complete and total failure of people preaching cultural awareness to understand another culture.

The Middle East is a culture where people are almost literally valued based on their potential for work. $50K to each family is unfathomable amounts
of money in that culture. The purchasing power it affords is staggering. New, younger wives can be found and new children can be born to carry on
the family business of making little rocks out of big rocks. The $50K more than compensates for the economic damage done by this event.

What I find to be more disturbing is the bloodlust from our own society who want to practically lynch this man in spite of the fact that the case
against him is absolutely ridiculous. It's not like he opened fire on a market full of people. He walked into people's homes, tied them up, killed
them, and burned them (allegedly) ... all while drunk to the point of memory loss and without sustaining any visible injuries one would expect from
rooms full of people taking measures of self-defense against the single, slobbering drunk.

There is so much more to this story than will ever get covered... but people just want someone to crucify.

The defense is going to say that as they are suppose to mount a zealous defense of their client. Its up to the government to make their case, not the
accused. If we want to go down that road how mental to people have to be in order to kill over religious beliefs? In the Sgt.s case he has a JAG
lawyer assigned to defend him as well as civilian council that was hired to assist.

You are not going to see a defense attorney making statements about how guilty his client is. that is a sure fire way to have a mistrial declared or
establish grounds for reversal due to ineffective council.

If the death penalty is taken off the table then it will be life in prison if he is found guilty. Since you seem to be able to predict the future care
to tell us the winning lotto numbers for Megamillions this coming Tuesday? Its up to 345 million dollars.

If the family accepts compensation, then its really none of our business to question that is it?

ETA - Where in the hell are you getting he would be quiestly released? Please support that claim with evidence for this case, or any other
case.

edit on 25-3-2012 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)

I am just saying what the judge will declare after all the evidence is heard.

Defense claims and will be able to prove: He was drunk, it was not premeditated, he had an exemplary service record, extenuating circumstances eg:
PTSD (which will easily be proven)

It matters not what he is going to be charged with, he will be found guilty of 17 counts of aggravated involuntary manslaughter. See:
law.onecle.com... (sentences to run concurrent)

(At most it will be felony homicide law.onecle.com... but if they can lessen that they
will)

He will never see the death penalty. In the end they will rule this (or its military equivalent), there only real concern will be that it sounds like
a severe sentence (therefore something like aggravated involuntary manslaughter will be fine because the Afghani English isn't always the best so they
will go for something that sounds harsh and translates as harsh words into Arabic, but wont carry a large sentence)

he will have to be hospitalized for his PTSD (and severe distraught over his actions) and spend a little time in prison for the crimes, but it will
not be long, when media coverage dies down he will go free.

As far as proof Americans try to quietly release people from jail or prison here is one such instance;

What I find to be more disturbing is the bloodlust from our own society who want to practically lynch this man in spite of the fact that the case
against him is absolutely ridiculous. It's not like he opened fire on a market full of people. He walked into people's homes, tied them up, killed
them, and burned them (allegedly) ... all while drunk to the point of memory loss and without sustaining any visible injuries one would expect from
rooms full of people taking measures of self-defense against the single, slobbering drunk.

There is so much more to this story than will ever get covered...

Your post and reports that up to twenty troops were involved does indeed strike a nerve. Several reports are that two of the women were raped prior
to being murdered. Sure does not sound like a single, wasted perp eh?

The odd behavior of this soldier would seem to match the behavior of the crotch bomber. During the legal work, the crotch bomber called for the
testimony of lawyers Kurt and Lori Haskell. Then, he pled guilty. Kurt Haskell was only able to put his story in the legal record by putting it in a
victim impact statement to the court.

Originally posted by jcarpenter
Hmmm .... $50,000 in fiat currency is worth about ..... $2.98 in real money.

Payback would be much more effective if we compensated the victims with a pound of flesh. A pound of flesh (removed from next-to-the-heart) from the
political & military perps that are responsible for these war crimes.

An added benefit to such a compensation mechanism is that these crimes and war crimes would cease immediately.

Money always talks though. Especially when they don't have much to begin with.

I'm just wondering where the Afghan outrage is over these murders? They go nuts and riot over the burning of a book, but their fellow citizens are
murdered and they are relatively quiet and quickly take blood money.

If you spoke Arabic you would know this was a huge outrage on this, this is causing Afghani to regroup and decide what to do about the American
military and American placed government in the country.

This will change a lot about the Afghanistan conflict.

edit on 25-3-2012 by Jameela because: (no reason given)

Having spent 15 yrs in the Middle East i do speak some Arabic. I know there was SOME outrage about this. But nothing on the scale that there was
from the burning of the Quran.

I don't think this will change anything. It'll blow over just like any other "incident". The Afghan govt is all talk and no action.

Personally, we should get the heck out of there and leave them to their 7th century ignorant bliss. But there are huge mineral deposits to exploit
there so we won't leave anytime soon.

Respectfully please learn how things work before making claims. The US military is not subject to domestic law. They are subject to the UCMJ -
Uniform Code of Military Justice. You are linking your argument to the laws of Virginia which have absolutely no bearing / anything to do with what
occurred.

They should be paying the soldier 50,000 per person he killed we are at war with islam all is fair in love and war, do you think if Afghan soldiers
where occupying america they would pay out or would the soldier be praised and seen as a hero. Think about the two nato troops just been killed are
there family going to get a pay out from Afghanistan or will any form of payment to the families come out of some fund from the western civilized
world

afgans didnt attack us on 911 saudis did asking afganies to pay restitution to 911 victims because saudis traained there well in that case new bern
north carolina shoulod too because some of the saudi 911 terrorst took flight lessons there too.

Respectfully please learn how things work before making claims. The US military is not subject to domestic law. They are subject to the UCMJ -
Uniform Code of Military Justice. You are linking your argument to the laws of Virginia which have absolutely no bearing / anything to do with what
occurred.

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