Don't know who won. It surely was not a walk away victory like Romney's was. Biden is a dog. He will not shut up when it is not his turn to talk. He acted like a little child with all his interruptions by laughing and smirking.

Ryan definitely looked like the adult at the table.

Not a big fan of the moderator but at least she held her own with these two. I do feel she inappropriately interrupted Ryan but that was probably to keep these guys on time.

eg8r

Soflasnapper

10-12-2012, 09:44 AM

The right was certain that the gaffe-prone Biden would be eaten alive by their young up and coming future star. Nothing like that happened, as Biden more than held his own on substance. So now we have the 'style' complaints. It's purely subjective. The right loved it when Brett Baier constantly interrupted and talked over PBO.

This exact criticism is what Obama was trying to avoid enabling in the first debate. It's a delicate bit of high wire walking, to get it just right and not tip to one side or the other.

Gayle in MD

10-12-2012, 10:54 AM

Biden won the debate hands down.

Ryan just continued with the same ol' illogical, irrational lies, over and over, that actually WERE laughable!

When Biden broke up laughing over Ryan's ridiculous lies, I was also breaking up.

Proof Biden won? The relentless attacks and bad mood the right wing pundits were in immediately following the debate.

They didn't complain about O'Reilly disrespecting the POTUS one bit! And that was possibly the most disrespectful treatment of a sitting president, by any commentator, ever seen!

Biden won.

Ryan just continued with the same ol' lies he's been telling for months. Even Martha had to cut Ryan off one time because he refused to give a rational truthful answer.

eg8r

10-12-2012, 01:34 PM

Obama , too muted. Biden, too voluble. Hmmm, sofla too much of a butt kisser? In the end, everyone including the left felt Obama got squashed. I haven't checked around about Biden but he did interrupt and try to talk over Ryan like crazy. Ryan did not do the same thing. Biden did laugh and make childish faces while Ryan was talking and I saw Ryan doing this was very very limited.

I wasn't "looking" for any performance and merely stating my observations. That shouldn't be too dificult for you to understand but I guess I had to explain it.

eg8r

LWW

10-12-2012, 03:30 PM

My observations ... Ryan reminded me of the overachieving young exec who gets no respect from some on the board because of his youth.

Biden reminded me of the guy at your fortieth reunion HS reunion who was still telling the story about his OPEL GT that would hit 175 MPH on a straight road and how he once caught a fish <span style='font-size: 26pt'><u>T-H-I-S</u></span> big.

Qtec

10-12-2012, 05:51 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Don't know who won. It surely was not a walk away victory like Romney's was. Biden is a dog. He will not shut up when it is not his turn to talk.</div></div>

Get real, it was a slam dunk.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> He acted like a little child with all his interruptions by laughing and smirking.</div></div>

He laughed evry time Ryan made a joke! What's wrong with that?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Ryan definitely looked like the adult at the table.</div></div>

Not a big fan of the moderator but at least she held her own with these two. I do feel she inappropriately interrupted Ryan but that was probably to keep these guys on time.

eg8r </div></div>

Ryan went on and on repeating the same crap repeating himself. Many times he was finished speaking and the Mod should have went to Joe but she paused and Ryan jumped right in there and rambled on, not saying anything.

Joe stomped on that crap Ryan gets away with on tv and Ryan couldn't handle the facts.
That's what happened.
Q

LWW

10-12-2012, 05:54 PM

From Biden's hips to your lips.

Qtec

10-12-2012, 06:09 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> Hmmm, sofla too much of a butt kisser? In the end, everyone including the left felt Obama got squashed. </div></div>

Look at how the RW <u>and you</u> are portraying Joe, just because he wasn't willing to put up with the fairy stories that Ryan was spinning.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Fox’s Mike Huckabee: Biden Came Across As An ‘Obnoxious Drunk’ During Debate </div></div>

I listened to Rush and Hannity on the radio (albeit just say 10 minutes each, driving) and neither claimed Ryan won, and simply attacked Biden. Sean said he had a mental breakdown (Biden), or must have been drunk.

Ryan's demeanor was a mirror of Obama's, and Obama was widely thought to have lost.

TRUMP said Biden won.

Romney agreed with Biden against Ryan, when Ryan said 'it has been done before.' Romney had just said nothing like what he proposes had been done before (meaning his economic plan).

Poor GOP spinners tried to say Ryan meant getting a bipartisan tax reform, when Ryan's own words were that the broadening the base to reduce taxes on a revenue neutral basis had been done before.

A former GOP chairman of the RNC said that in his experience, the side howling about the moderator after a debate was always the losing side.

Ryan himself, when asked whether those favoring legal abortions should fear his ticket's election, visibly slumped his shoulders and gulped before giving his 'unelected judges shouldn't make these decisions.' Except that is exactly what Romney said would happen with the SCOTUS Justices he'd nominate.

eg8r

10-12-2012, 08:55 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Get real, it was a slam dunk.

</div></div>You are so drunk with desire you would believe anything. The fact of the matter is if you want to see an example of a slam dunk then watch what Romney did in the first debate. Then go check out the media and see how they all said the same thing. Now go look at what happened after the VP debate. A completely different story. Only the ones with their heads in the sand thought it was a slam dunk.

eg8r

eg8r

10-12-2012, 08:57 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Look at how the RW and you are portraying Joe, just because he wasn't willing to put up with the fairy stories that Ryan was spinning.</div></div>I am not portraying anything. He interrupted like crazy. In the beginning he was civil, but once he started interrupting and hemming and hawing there was no stopping him. He was not able to reel himself back in and looked childish.

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>No, they aren’t — as Mr. Romney’s own advisers have conceded in the past, <u>and did again after the debate.</u> </span> </div></div>

Do you get that? Mittens just lied to the electorate on TV! Do you think he just forgot?

Fact is, Romney lied throughout the debate and Obama let him get away with it. Joe didn't make the same mistake with Ryan and now the RW squeals! Boo Hoo!

Q

Qtec

10-13-2012, 04:05 AM

We all said Obama was poor and Mittens came out better. You are now whining about Joe interrupting when Ryan was lying but you give Mittens a pass when he lied throughout the debate!

What is worse, a politician lying through his teeth and getting away with it or someone interrupting to explain the truth?

Q

LWW

10-13-2012, 05:04 AM

What were the lies?

hondo

10-13-2012, 09:58 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Obama , too muted. Biden, too voluble. Hmmm, sofla too much of a butt kisser? In the end, everyone including the left felt Obama got squashed. I haven't checked around about Biden but he did interrupt and try to talk over Ryan like crazy. Ryan did not do the same thing. Biden did laugh and make childish faces while Ryan was talking and I saw Ryan doing this was very very limited.

I wasn't "looking" for any performance and merely stating my observations. That shouldn't be too dificult for you to understand but I guess I had to explain it.

eg8r </div></div>

That breeze you feel is Sofla's point flying over your head. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif

Soflasnapper

10-13-2012, 10:59 AM

Yep, Rush was in full defeat mode (I saw some additional soundbytes from his show from yesterday).

He alibied fiercely for his side, stating that probably Ryan was under orders not to speak up or speak back. He said it was a setup, 2-1, because the moderator was such a Democratic hack, and that Ryan could not have had a chance to win.

Further, waaah, waaah, and waaaaaaaaah!

Gayle in MD

10-13-2012, 11:58 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Qtec</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We all said Obama was poor and Mittens came out better. You are now whining about Joe interrupting when Ryan was lying but you give Mittens a pass when he lied throughout the debate!

What is worse, a politician lying through his teeth and getting away with it or someone interrupting to explain the truth?

Q </div></div>

<span style='font-size: 14pt'>Repiglicans are always sore losers. If there is one thing about them you can count on, that's it!</span>

Bill Maher had some funny takes on Twitter as the debate was airing! There aren't in order, but they're all funny.

LOL:

My favorite one:

"Debate must be about to start, Chris Mathews breathing into paper bag"

Tonight's debate is scheduled for ninety minutes, but Paul Ryan is already claiming he can finish in fifty something.

Ryan is a nervous Walmart manager. Biden is an irate customer with the receipt, the warranty & he's friends w/ the store owner. #debate

"Oh, I get it now." - Jim Lehrer

I kind of feel like Joe Biden is Kanye and Paul Ryan is Taylor Swift. ‪#VPDebate

I HAVE HAD A CHILD IN THE SHAPE OF A BEAN PLEASE INTERRUPT ME ‪#VPDebate

To think, all this just to sway 4-6% of undecided voters. And those folks are not watching the ‪#VPdebate

Chuck Norris sleeps with the lights on because Joe Biden can strike at any time. #VPDebate

eg8r

10-13-2012, 08:52 PM

LOL, it is funny that you ignore all the "clarifications" from Biden's camp. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif However your response to my post is a strawman and proves you have nothing. Biden ran away with nothing. Romney is the clear example of "winning" a debate.

eg8r

eg8r

10-13-2012, 08:54 PM

LOL, still hypocritically shadowposting. You never did grow up.

eg8r

eg8r

10-13-2012, 08:55 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We all said Obama was poor and Mittens came out better. You are now whining about Joe interrupting when Ryan was lying but you give Mittens a pass when he lied throughout the debate!</div></div>LOL, strawman. I refuse to allow you to change the subject. This is about the observations from the VP debate. Biden acted childish and Ryan acted like the adult. Don't worry though, that is the circle of life and Biden just needed his adult diapers changed.

eg8r

hondo

10-13-2012, 10:31 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We all said Obama was poor and Mittens came out better. You are now whining about Joe interrupting when Ryan was lying but you give Mittens a pass when he lied throughout the debate!</div></div> Don't worry though, that is the circle of life and Biden just needed his adult diapers changed.

eg8r </div></div>

He was acting childish but needed his adult diapers changed?
Do you have any idea how sophomoric your insults sound?
Grow up!

Tonight's debate is scheduled for ninety minutes, but Paul Ryan is already claiming he can finish in fifty something.

Ryan is a nervous Walmart manager. Biden is an irate customer with the receipt, the warranty & he's friends w/ the store owner. #debate

"Oh, I get it now." - Jim Lehrer

I kind of feel like Joe Biden is Kanye and Paul Ryan is Taylor Swift. ‪#VPDebate

I HAVE HAD A CHILD IN THE SHAPE OF A BEAN PLEASE INTERRUPT ME ‪#VPDebate

To think, all this just to sway 4-6% of undecided voters. And those folks are not watching the ‪#VPdebate

Chuck Norris sleeps with the lights on because Joe Biden can strike at any time. #VPDebate </div></div>

LOL, like these two the best of your finds.

Biden's teeth as so white they are going to vote for Romney.

Tonight's debate is scheduled for ninety minutes, but Paul Ryan is already claiming he can finish in fifty something.

/forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif

Soflasnapper

10-14-2012, 10:58 AM

Biden acted childish and Ryan acted like the adult.

Not what the independent voters saw, or how they judged the outcome.

Even one of the non-Bob Beckel members of The Five said that Biden showed mastery of the subject matter, dominated the platform, set the tone and agenda (all by way of saying his mannerisms were bad and hurt what was otherwise an excellent performance). But he first admitted how well Biden had performed on substance.

This was also the take of Krauthammer, and Gretchen Karlson. That reading the transcript, or hearing it on radio, Biden had clearly won.

So, unable to make substantive criticisms of WHAT Biden said, they are reduced to a meta-criticism, of HOW he said it?

Sure, good tries all around, but when you are reduced to that, it means your champion lost on substance.

Part of it was the expectations game on their side. They fancied Ryan a superhuman computer like numbers wonk, and Biden a doddering fool in his dotage, and therefore expected Ryan to figuratively hit Biden upside his head with a rhetorical 2x4 until he submitted or was knocked out. The old guy came out like Smokin' Joe, and ripped Ryan with body blow after body blow.

That rehearsed line on the 47%? When Ryan referred to Biden's history of gaffes, to say, surely the Vice President knows not everything one says comes out right? Big laughs. Biden may have known it was coming, and deftly riposted, 'but I always say what I mean. And so does governor Romney.' BOOM right in the younger man's face.

eg8r

10-15-2012, 08:18 AM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Even one of the non-Bob Beckel members of The Five said that Biden showed mastery of the subject matter, dominated the platform, set the tone and agenda (all by way of saying his mannerisms were bad and hurt what was otherwise an excellent performance).</div></div>LOL, yet again another shining example of us letting you run your mouth long enough and you will end up agreeing with what I said. When I stated Biden acted like a child, I did not once mention anything about subject matter. I used the word "acted" which implies I am talking about mannerisms, even included his laughing and hand waving as examples. You then, as normal, shut your brain off, start your defense and end with an agreement to what I said.

He acted like a freaking child who wet his bed. Your defense is that he executed his sleeping just perfectly when I told you he wet his bed. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif Good try "Mr Ardent and Faithful Obama and Company Butt Kisser".

eg8r

eg8r

10-15-2012, 08:19 AM

Yes, don't worry you will figure it out soon enough. As adults get older and older and have trouble getting to the bathroom they resort to their childish ways and go in their pants. After reading your shadowposts on this forum I can tell you are not far behind.

eg8r

hondo

10-15-2012, 01:41 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Even one of the non-Bob Beckel members of The Five said that Biden showed mastery of the subject matter, dominated the platform, set the tone and agenda (all by way of saying his mannerisms were bad and hurt what was otherwise an excellent performance).</div></div>LOL, yet again another shining example of us letting you run your mouth long enough and you will end up agreeing with what I said. When I stated Biden acted like a child, I did not once mention anything about subject matter. I used the word "acted" which implies I am talking about mannerisms, even included his laughing and hand waving as examples. You then, as normal, shut your brain off, start your defense and end with an agreement to what I said.

He acted like a freaking child who wet his bed. Your defense is that he executed his sleeping just perfectly when I told you he wet his bed. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif Good try "Mr Ardent and Faithful Obama and Company Butt Kisser".

eg8r </div></div>

Exhibit 382.

hondo

10-15-2012, 01:42 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yes, don't worry you will figure it out soon enough. As adults get older and older and have trouble getting to the bathroom they resort to their childish ways and go in their pants. After reading your shadowposts on this forum I can tell you are not far behind.

eg8r </div></div>

Exhibit 391.

eg8r

10-15-2012, 01:49 PM

Quit hypocritically shadowposting.

eg8r

eg8r

10-15-2012, 01:49 PM

Quit hypocritically shadowposting.

eg8r

Soflasnapper

10-15-2012, 02:34 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: eg8r</div><div class="ubbcode-body">LOL, yet again another shining example of us letting you run your mouth long enough and you will end up agreeing with what I said. When I stated Biden acted like a child, I did not once mention anything about subject matter. I used the word "acted" which implies I am talking about mannerisms, even included his laughing and hand waving as examples. You then, as normal, shut your brain off, start your defense and end with an agreement to what I said.

He acted like a freaking child who wet his bed. Your defense is that he executed his sleeping just perfectly when I told you he wet his bed. /forums/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/smile.gif Good try "Mr Ardent and Faithful Obama and Company Butt Kisser".

eg8r </div></div>

A child cannot bully a grown man. Either Biden's bullying behavior was not child-like, or Ryan isn't a grown man. Ryan does look younger than his 40s, but I think he's full grown, personally.

eg8r

10-15-2012, 07:30 PM

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A child cannot bully a grown man.</div></div>LOL, you are arguing a strawman. His actions were childish. Being a bully is childish. They go hand in hand.