Maybe I've missed it, but where are the moderators in all this? Have they posted at all asking for vendors to provide accurate, honest information, and calling them on it when they don't? I'm sure they can't watch all threads, but a lot pertaining to ADV.1 spiral out of control; they must know this.

I like this forum, but there's only so much B.S. one can take, and I can only make fun of Tibra so many times before I lose interest. Less of people like me means less advertising dollars (why pay to advertise to no audience?). Seems like that'd be more costly than losing a vendor, but I must be wrong.

Another poster pointed out that this is *NOT* a TUV certificate. Highlighting the fact that ADV.1 is feeding this forum deliberately BS.

ADV.1 then explained then that they are *NOT* certified yet... Here is Matt's quote: "Guys we have no control over how quickly the documents are processed at TUV. It's not exactly a small operation over there but our paperwork has been filed, we're just waiting to have it processed and sent back."

Yet, they advertised that they are and flat out told members of this forum.

There is nothing anybody can say or spin to make this be OK.

This has nothing to do with hating on ADV.1. Any vendor who would lie like this would be in hot waters on this or any other forum.

Another poster pointed out that this is *NOT* a TUV certificate. Highlighting the fact that ADV.1 is feeding this forum deliberately BS.

ADV.1 then explained then that they are *NOT* certified yet... Here is Matt's quote: "Guys we have no control over how quickly the documents are processed at TUV. It's not exactly a small operation over there but our paperwork has been filed, we're just waiting to have it processed and sent back."

Yet, they advertised that they are and flat out told members of this forum.

There is nothing anybody can say or spin to make this be OK.

This has nothing to do with hating on ADV.1. Any vendor who would lie like this would be in hot waters on this or any other forum.

Agree with you 100%. Why is this so difficult for some people to comprehend?

Also, if db71 spent more time on this forum he'd realize HRE does not have the position on this forum he thinks they have - Rays/Volk and BBS are at the top.

Now, before anybody says I'm on the "hater bandwagon"... I'm not, I don't own a set of their wheels, don't know anybody who had their wheels, and for the record... I do really like their styling and design.

But since this forum is used to sell expensive mods, and although the buyer should always do their own independent research, I find it absolutely unacceptable and dangerous if a vendor misinforms, and lies about certification.

Here is a quote from Matt that is completely false.

After asking to provide the TUV certificate... they provided this joke:

It was then pointed out that this is NOT a TUV certificate... and again, some bullshit was made up... "oh.. we filed, and it is pending"/

Again, I don't give two shits about how you handle costumer service, or how much you advertise here, but if this would be my site, and I'd catch you lying about stuff like that - I'd kick you out.

There is just no way you can spin this as me being a hater, etc... I posted quotes from Matt about their wheels being TUV certified (to improve sales), and his statement was a straight up lie - unless they are completely clueless on how the TUV certification works... which I seriously doubt.

I know you're a lover and not a hater : ) That is apparent, because this is a well written and very specific post.

I followed that other thread, and I agree that it is ugly. However, I was not able to make the jump to calling them liars; but that is just me. To me it looked like a new guy with the company (Matt ~6 months) walking into a mine field without knowing exactly what he was talking about. It also looks like they jumped the gun on their marketing with regard to certification. This isn't acceptable either, but I can appreciate the possibility of this being the truth as opposed to just assuming he was attempting to deceive all of us. It is not as though they have not been actively working with TUV for certification.

Also, and the TUV system is fairly confusing to me, but my understanding is that the certificate they showed confirms that the sample was received for testing, but it was difficult for me to understand if it certifies anything beyond that. I agree that what was posted is NOT a TUV approval and absolutely should not be portrayed as such.

I agree that the certification issue requires additional clarification from ADV.1.

All bs about companies aside. These failures are rare and could happen to anyone because of the processes involved with making the raw materials. I have bent, broke, and mounted and balanced many wheels. And would trust me and my family's life on forged wheels made from components from either of the 2 manufacturers mentioned.

I also respect the fact they use American made products to manufacture these wheels that means it keeps jobs here in the country. How many products can we as a country say we export to Taiwan and other countries that are 100% American made. Just think how many jobs are created by ADV1 and HRE outside of there respective plants. tires, shipping, dealers, and on down the food chain all the way to the babysitters of the employees kids. If your in Miami I will guarantee that you know a business that gets money because of ADV1 and even more in California where their wheels are produced along with HRE and the raw material suppliers.

People would maybe think twice about bad mouthing a worldwide company on the worldwide web if it affected their job. Even though people here have no issue trashing a company whom they have never done business with. Even people who were former customers at 360 have not done business with this company so they have no room to bad mouth.

All the while you support companies who make their wheels outside of the country because they are cheaper yeah they still get shipped and dealers etc but not as much goes back into the country that we live in.

I think everybody here should think about these things and realize it could be their job or business people are trashing and putting their job at risk.

All bs about companies aside. These failures are rare and could happen to anyone because of the processes involved with making the raw materials. I have bent, broke, and mounted and balanced many wheels. And would trust me and my family's life on forged wheels made from components from either of the 2 manufacturers mentioned.

I also respect the fact they use American made products to manufacture these wheels that means it keeps jobs here in the country. How many products can we as a country say we export to Taiwan and other countries that are 100% American made. Just think how many jobs are created by ADV1 and HRE outside of there respective plants. tires, shipping, dealers, and on down the food chain all the way to the babysitters of the employees kids. If your in Miami I will guarantee that you know a business that gets money because of ADV1 and even more in California where their wheels are produced along with HRE and the raw material suppliers.

People would maybe think twice about bad mouthing a worldwide company on the worldwide web if it affected their job. Even though people here have no issue trashing a company whom they have never done business with. Even people who were former customers at 360 have not done business with this company so they have no room to bad mouth.

All the while you support companies who make their wheels outside of the country because they are cheaper yeah they still get shipped and dealers etc but not as much goes back into the country that we live in.

I think everybody here should think about these things and realize it could be their job or business people are trashing and putting their job at risk.

LoL, your argument now is that we should support ADV1 because of american job creation? Gtfo of here.

I don't give a rats ass if you support them or not. But slandering a company and calling them scammers and saying there products are unsafe is a serious matter that affects lots of people. Especially if you are doing that without merit.

Just to add I do not agree with some of the marketing tactics that are done by ADV1 like this whole TUV thing. I also feel that other wheel companies large and small use marketing tactics that are similar and I do not agree with those either.

I don't give a rats ass if you support them or not. But slandering a company and calling them scammers and saying there products are unsafe is a serious matter that affects lots of people. Especially if you are doing that without merit.

Lots of people who?
4 people who run the company who have a track record of spewing out misleading info about their company and product?

So you have owned both??? What are you forming your opinion on??? What makes one wheel significantly better than another????

Volk, yes. HRE, yes. ADV1, no and I never will.

Volk wheels are used in professional race series by top teams in many different countries and, IMO, that makes their wheels superior to wheels made by a wheel company that doesn't even manufacture their own wheels in-house.

You registered after this thread was started, all your posts are in the thread supporting ADV.1, just out of curiosity, how could you expect others to believe your posts' legitimacy?

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Originally Posted by db71

I don't give a rats ass if you support them or not. But slandering a company and calling them scammers and saying there products are unsafe is a serious matter that affects lots of people. Especially if you are doing that without merit.

Just to add I do not agree with some of the marketing tactics that are done by ADV1 like this whole TUV thing. I also feel that other wheel companies large and small use marketing tactics that are similar and I do not agree with those either.

I don't give a rats ass if you support them or not. But slandering a company and calling them scammers and saying there products are unsafe is a serious matter that affects lots of people. Especially if you are doing that without merit.

Just to add I do not agree with some of the marketing tactics that are done by ADV1 like this whole TUV thing. I also feel that other wheel companies large and small use marketing tactics that are similar and I do not agree with those either.

Yes I read the thread it's about a wheel failure potentially because of a supplier issue. Then people posted things like scammers, junk products, unsafe, do they test them etc..

Then people cry about Something that only applies in Germany.

Then we decide they are inferior to another company because a race teams use one product over another. Not based on real world experience.

Then we go full circle and say there junk because they have someone else manufacture them.

Oh I almost forgot I must work for them because I don't jump on the bandwagon. If anyone is on Champaign IL i will meet you tomorrow and introduce myself I'll be in STL monday if anyone is there Westport area.

...Oh I almost forgot I must work for them because I don't jump on the bandwagon. If anyone is on Champaign IL i will meet you tomorrow and introduce myself I'll be in STL monday if anyone is there Westport area.

I don't understand. You drive a '10 S5, but you're on an M3 forum. All your posts are in this thread. You're taking the losing side of the debate. And you're upset people think you're an ADV.1 shill? I don't really care personally, but can you not see why people have this perspective?

And, this isn't Craigslist Casual Encounters; no one wants to hook up with you off the interwebs ha jk

I don't understand. You drive a '10 S5, but you're on an M3 forum. All your posts are in this thread. You're taking the losing side of the debate. And you're upset people think you're an ADV.1 shill? I don't really care personally, but can you not see why people have this perspective?

And, this isn't Craigslist Casual Encounters; no one wants to hook up with you off the interwebs ha jk

I have been on here before just never registered. Just because I drive an Audi does not mean that I will forever. I like to check out and see what wheel companies are out there. Example I'm on a lot of forums and have never seen morr. I had a couple bad experiences in purchasing forged wheels in the past which caused me to do a lot of research into testing, suppliers, manufacturers etc.

I think the whole industry is full of bs perception marketing photoshopping renderings etc.

So I decided to see why people put up with such bs from these companies and say they are so great.

I mean why does it take 4-6 weeks plus to get forged wheels when it takes about 6-8 hours to machine a set? But people plunk down 50% and put themselves at the mercy of the company.

Why do people believe one wheel is better than another when there are only a couple manufacturers of the raw parts?

Why do people believe that a company must make there own wheels out of raw parts produced by other companies instead of leaving it to companies which specialize in the induvidual processes like machining, powdercoating etc. but do not insist on that with other products in their life that are equally or more important to the safety of them or their family?

Why people slam a company who is selling a lot of wheels but don't pay attention to a guy who works off his cell phone out of his living room?

Why does it matter if your management process is certified?

I was not defending ADV1 just trying to present another prospective to things see what people argument was.

They are having a m3 meet in st Louis and going to gateway I plan on catching up with some people from here.