Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

If he does, his legacy WILL be tarnished. This embarrassment is on 23 and stays with him with a bigger stink by him bolting. I can't imagine only Clevelanders will view him as a villain if he's off winning in NY and the franchise he left behind collapses.

I want to know what the truth is about his elbow first. Maybe I'm delusional, but I really doubt that LeBron wants to walk away from the first goal he set as an NBA player without accomplishing it. He passed up jumper after jumper tonight, almost (but not quite) as bad as he did in game 5. Heck, several times he had an open jumper at the key and instead of taking it he threw the ball to a covered guy in the corner. I know he likes to get teammates involved in the offense, but when crunch time comes he's usually ready to shoot from pretty much anywhere on the court. Not tonight, for whatever reason.

Still not convinced he is gone, although I think the chances increased, but there are way too many unknowns. One thing is for certain this org. needs to react quickly to this sudden collapse and I think they just might.

I wouldn't be surprised if MB is fired before tomorrow morning or sometime tomorrow ASAP. Which leads to a question for those of you up to speed on these things, the next coach...has to be a top flight one for many reasons, most importantly b/c it could be the difference in LeBron staying or leaving. So I'll just say his name, Larry Brown. What is the deal with his situation? I know MJ loves him, but let's face it money talks and Larry is a notorious nomad. IMO his numbers don't back up his legacy as one might think, but bottom line is he can coach and has experience with big name players.

Gilbert has to have a plan B, right, even if it was contrived this week due to the recent fall out of this season. I would think part of that plan is to get a coach in here that can not only coach a basketball team but coach one with LeBron on it and fulfill LeBron's potential.

Next question, LeBron, is it possible he has not signed off on these roster "upgrades" the past few years but being the classy professional he is keeps his mouth shut? Meanwhile is he furious with these supporting casts that only Cleveland fans think is strong enough to get the job done. Is he looking at another 2 year window of missing pieces parts and saying WTF, I can go through this somewhere else? B/C let's face it folks it looks painstakingly obvious we are not that good from 2-12. Hubie Brown made the point on Rome today, and it is tough to argue, name one guy on this roster that would start for the Lakers (besides LeBron), name two that would start for Boston.

Lots of variables here and IMO a lot more angles in the mix due to the way this all crumbled.

Oh and did Andy just shoot the final shot of the season for us for the 3rd time in 4 post seasons? ::doh:; Fitting.

Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect."I heard your dog is sick, so bought you this shovel"

FUDU wrote:Still not convinced he is gone, although I think the chances increased, but there are way too many unknowns. One thing is for certain this org. needs to react quickly to this sudden collapse and I think they just might.

Question is, other than firing Roker, how do you react quickly to a collapse when the centerpiece of your organization, the guy you are now scrambling to keep, was one of the two main culprits in said collapse?

daddywags wrote:I want to know what the truth is about his elbow first. Maybe I'm delusional, but I really doubt that LeBron wants to walk away from the first goal he set as an NBA player without accomplishing it. He passed up jumper after jumper tonight, almost (but not quite) as bad as he did in game 5. Heck, several times he had an open jumper at the key and instead of taking it he threw the ball to a covered guy in the corner. I know he likes to get teammates involved in the offense, but when crunch time comes he's usually ready to shoot from pretty much anywhere on the court. Not tonight, for whatever reason.

SD:

The Elbow is just an out Daddy.

Convenient excuse to say he did his best as he sings Cleveland the swan song.

FUDU wrote:Still not convinced he is gone, although I think the chances increased, but there are way too many unknowns. One thing is for certain this org. needs to react quickly to this sudden collapse and I think they just might.

Question is, other than firing Roker, how do you react quickly to a collapse when the centerpiece of your organization, the guy you are now scrambling to keep, was one of the two main culprits in said collapse?

Well that comes down to determining if their was tension between those two culprits, which IMO there was, judging from this week. Seems obvious now but as a fan we get caught up in the 6 game win streaks, player of the month after month stuff and HCA.

Something is up between MB and LBJ.

In the search for a new coach, a top flight one, does that then put Ferry at risk? I mean if a Larry Brown was interested, but wanted control, Ferry has to be gone right? Assuming LeBron has fully committed to staying if he was in the know.

Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect."I heard your dog is sick, so bought you this shovel"

ajunior148 wrote:Why are we making the assumption that he is gone, again?

You talking about MB? I assume yes, here is why, coaches coach, players play. You have the most dangerous player in the game, most dominant when he is right, the difference maker. You have a coach that is average to good, rarely the difference maker. From a winning standpoint and a business standpoint you have to get rid of MB, again assuming if keeping MB is a threat to LeBron's future here.

Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect."I heard your dog is sick, so bought you this shovel"

hermanfontenot wrote:The entire last seven years has felt like this segment in "Twilight Zone: the Movie" where the kid forces his family to be characters in his own personal video game.

I'm tired of the entire circus. I want to start over. If LeBron had a shred of decency he'd get us a S&T, but we know he doesn't and won't.

Build us a team of guys we can identify with and be proud of that isn't reviled and ridiculed and I'll get down with it.

I think this sums up why I don't really care if he leaves. Perfectly. The only place I differ from Herm is that I don't really lothe the guy personally, and would be happy if he stayed. But damn if that doesn't nail why I am not melting/ledgin' on the possibilty he leave, just so apethetic...

"When a man with money meets a man with experience, the man with experience leaves with money and the man with money leaves with experience."

Oh and mark my words, if LeBron does leave in his presser that day he will lay down some stuff that infuriates this fan base. He will either imply or straight shoot the fact that he felt let down or betrayed at the end of this run here. There is no doubt he will give Akron its love but as far as CTown he'll get a jab in there, b/c as he has said he has little allegiance to the city of Cleveland. I sensed this this week, in particular when he made the spoiled comments.

Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect."I heard your dog is sick, so bought you this shovel"

daddywags wrote:I want to know what the truth is about his elbow first. Maybe I'm delusional, but I really doubt that LeBron wants to walk away from the first goal he set as an NBA player without accomplishing it. He passed up jumper after jumper tonight, almost (but not quite) as bad as he did in game 5. Heck, several times he had an open jumper at the key and instead of taking it he threw the ball to a covered guy in the corner. I know he likes to get teammates involved in the offense, but when crunch time comes he's usually ready to shoot from pretty much anywhere on the court. Not tonight, for whatever reason.

SD:

The Elbow is just an out Daddy.

Convenient excuse to say he did his best as he sings Cleveland the swan song.

YMMV.

SoulDawg

But why? If he wants to leave in free agency he can do that just as well after winning (or doing his best to win) a championship as not. If he's just mad at Mike Brown is he so mad at him that he's willing to intentionally piss on all those kids in Akron who went on bike rides with him over the years and played in his local basketball clinics? Bring me something that makes sense - not just that LeBron suddenly decided that he wanted to piss on all the local folks he's spent so much time cultivating as fans for 10 years, because that doesn't make sense. YMMV.

I understand what Herm, OJ and CDT are saying. My issue is, with the formula for winning a championship in this league the odds of us landing two stars with sufficient talent around them are astronomical. I mean everybody remembers how we got LeBron right? We know the list of big name players that have signed in Cleveland before and after him, right?

Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect."I heard your dog is sick, so bought you this shovel"

FUDU wrote:Oh and mark my words, if LeBron does leave in his presser that day he will lay down some stuff that infuriates this fan base. He will either imply or straight shoot the fact that he felt let down or betrayed at the end of this run here. There is no doubt he will give Akron its love but as far as CTown he'll get a jab in there, b/c as he has said he has little allegiance to the city of Cleveland. I sensed this this week, in particular when he made the spoiled comments.

I tend to think he's going to spin that he didn't have enough help- and people are going to buy it.

Windy is wrong. This won't be a permanent stain on his legacy. If he goes to another team and wins a title all this will be buried.

FUDU wrote:I understand what Herm, OJ and CDT are saying. My issue is, with the formula for winning a championship in this league the odds of us landing two stars with sufficient talent around them are astronomical. I mean everybody remembers how we got LeBron right? We know the list of big name players that have signed in Cleveland before and after him, right?

I know all the logic and stuff, I just am not going to get in a tizzy over this guy, just will not happen, not today not ever... Worrying about the star athlete died in like the freaking 6th grade when they cut Bernie, it isn't worth the stress to my brain cells.

When the chips fall, I will look for and post what I feel are the best options for the team. That is all I care about, the team. I won't get to gassed thinking about what he may do between now and July 1st. Just too long for a single person, no one is worth that... IMO

"When a man with money meets a man with experience, the man with experience leaves with money and the man with money leaves with experience."

FUDU wrote:Oh and mark my words, if LeBron does leave in his presser that day he will lay down some stuff that infuriates this fan base. He will either imply or straight shoot the fact that he felt let down or betrayed at the end of this run here. There is no doubt he will give Akron its love but as far as CTown he'll get a jab in there, b/c as he has said he has little allegiance to the city of Cleveland. I sensed this this week, in particular when he made the spoiled comments.

I tend to think he's going to spin that he didn't have enough help- and people are going to buy it.

Windy is wrong. This won't be a permanent stain on his legacy. If he goes to another team and wins a title all this will be buried.

Buried in the montage of other Cleveland moments. I'm starting to feel proud we have failed so epically so many times. No other city could pull that off. We win at losing.

"When a man with money meets a man with experience, the man with experience leaves with money and the man with money leaves with experience."

I know all the logic and stuff, I just am not going to get in a tizzy over this guy, just will not happen, not today not ever... Worrying about the star athlete died in like the freaking 6th grade when they cut Bernie, it isn't worth the stress to my brain cells.

When the chips fall, I will look for and post what I feel are the best options for the team. That is all I care about, the team. I won't get to gassed thinking about what he may do between now and July 1st. Just too long for a single person, no one is worth that... IMO

I here ya.

Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect."I heard your dog is sick, so bought you this shovel"

FUDU wrote:I understand what Herm, OJ and CDT are saying. My issue is, with the formula for winning a championship in this league the odds of us landing two stars with sufficient talent around them are astronomical. I mean everybody remembers how we got LeBron right? We know the list of big name players that have signed in Cleveland before and after him, right?

Well, we just have to get shitty enough to get back in the Lottery, hope we don't come up with a bunch of Trajan Langdon-types and go from there.

FUDU wrote:FWIW I just got a text Mike Brown has been fired. Respectable source. Just sayin.

Keep ears open.

Don't doubt that news is coming sooner rather than later.

Not trying to be that guy, but my source has been telling me this all night, so I figured I'd share it, since some of you are good at finding this type of info better than I, or at least care to find it.

ETA: more stuff going round, sounds really bad, but not going to speculate any further until I hear the first rumor is substantiated.

Criminals in this town used to believe in things...honor, respect."I heard your dog is sick, so bought you this shovel"

FUDU wrote:FWIW I just got a text Mike Brown has been fired. Respectable source. Just sayin.

Keep ears open.

Don't doubt that news is coming sooner rather than later.

Not trying to be that guy, but my source has been telling me this all night, so I figured I'd share it, since some of you are good at finding this type of info better than I, or at least care to find it.

ETA: more stuff going round, sounds really bad, but not going to speculate any further until I hear the first rumor is substantiated.

For the record, I'm pretty sure most of have assumed the really bad for a while now.

daddywags wrote:I want to know what the truth is about his elbow first. Maybe I'm delusional, but I really doubt that LeBron wants to walk away from the first goal he set as an NBA player without accomplishing it. He passed up jumper after jumper tonight, almost (but not quite) as bad as he did in game 5. Heck, several times he had an open jumper at the key and instead of taking it he threw the ball to a covered guy in the corner. I know he likes to get teammates involved in the offense, but when crunch time comes he's usually ready to shoot from pretty much anywhere on the court. Not tonight, for whatever reason.

SD:

The Elbow is just an out Daddy.

Convenient excuse to say he did his best as he sings Cleveland the swan song.

YMMV.

SoulDawg

But why? If he wants to leave in free agency he can do that just as well after winning (or doing his best to win) a championship as not. If he's just mad at Mike Brown is he so mad at him that he's willing to intentionally piss on all those kids in Akron who went on bike rides with him over the years and played in his local basketball clinics? Bring me something that makes sense - not just that LeBron suddenly decided that he wanted to piss on all the local folks he's spent so much time cultivating as fans for 10 years, because that doesn't make sense. YMMV.

SD:

daddy I'll get flamed by the children for this , butt I'm gonna give ya my take on it the way I see it.

Somewhere this year the Title became secondary to Lebron's ambitions , winning the MVP allowed him to pull in his reins.

Its almost like Golf being a nuisance to Tigers real business, making money .

The Jersey change the marketing and all the outside stuff were more important to him than this series and the whole basketball world waiting on his free agency decision.

Look at his comments , I'm young my legacy has just started , so he has none of the sense of urgency us old farts have invested in this , he foolishly thinks it will allways be like this.

The last week of interviews were like viewing a lieing politician who can't look into the camera .

He said all the right thangs , but man there was not a bit of feeling behind any of it.

Ask yourself this , tell me in your heart of hearts the Cavs except for Shag wanted any piece of that sleeping giant in Orlando after demonstrating their sacless best feint in Boston.

Bron thru Brown under the bus after the first loss saying he overreacted to just another loss , and again tonight in post game interviews when asked about in game adjustments .

Dude is like a kid in a Candy shop with a fist full of dollars ,too much power too many options,and an agenda that doesn't necessarily mesh with the Cavaliers best interests .

Lebron is for Lebron first second and third and the Cavs and fans are just a means to an end, he's held us hostage and we've been willing participants

I can't tell ya how bitterly disappointed i am to have to say that , I take no glee in telling this.

I too wanted to believe he was the one good guy .

Just been around too many politicians and seen too much stuff not to recognize game when i see it .

He can now leave us like Garnett and Pierce left their teams when they weren't good enough, yeah he didn't win a Championship as he promised , but ask yourself what $50 dollars worth of tin next to a billion dollar marketing exit strategy , especially if he goes to Chi Town with Bill Russels number instead of Jordans.

Then again maybe we got nothing to worry about and this was to Crucify Brown, and get his way like Kobe forced out Shack in LA.