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Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

I had heard he once had 900 grazing permits - probably back when they raised the rate for the turtle (yeah its offensive to me - but you pay it or you elect people to get it removed). 900x1.37x12 monthsx15 years isn't $1.1 million but with interest - I'll bet its close.

Originally Posted by WCH

My problem is with the way the FedGov has and is handling this situation.

My figures show he owes a little over $150,000 (depending on the number of cattle over the years) which he's said in the past he would pay to Clark county. They won't take it.

You are correct that the BLM and other authorities let this go way too long.

Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

Originally Posted by clownboy

I'm on the right and I have no problem with the law being enforced here. However, in this case the government could have, should have just gotten a judgement, set a lien on his cattle and his property YEARS AGO. Follow the normal course which is to repossess and sell off to satisfy said lien.

I think they gave him far too much slack for far too long.

They did almost a year ago. It's on page 5 at the very end of this judgement dated 7-9-2013

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that Bundy shall remove his livestock from the New Trespass Lands within 45 days of the date hereof, and that the United States is entitled to seize and remove to impound any of Bundy's cattle that remain in trespass after 45 days of the date hereof.

IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that the United States is entitled to seize and remove to impound any of Bundy's cattle for any future trespasses, provided the United States has provided notice to Bundy under the governing regulations of the United States department of the Interior.

Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

Originally Posted by VanceMack

And yet...there HAVE been cattle grazing on it for 20+ years. NOW it is an incident? NOW they justify spending as much in recon, personnel, administration, Temporary duty costs, and court costs that are more expensive than what they could collect in grazing fees? (not to mention risking an armed confrontation where law enforcement officials joked about filling coffins). Look...Bundy is no hero and there should be a legal resolution here. But dont you think that an administration that cant pull its own hand out of its collective ass, that cant/wont enforce things like illegal immigration laws and is essentially LOST on every metric looks rather moronic deciding to make THIS their 'stand'? You cant negotiate with the state of Nevada and a ****ing RANCHER...and you think you are going to discuss foreign policy with world leaders?

IF you READ the articles online you see the issue has been in court several times. I'd say this is a last resort to send the message- a CON message BTW- no one is above the law. This is on Bundy, he refused to cooperate, refused to remove his cattle from a now prohibited area, he refused to pay the rather low fees for access to PUBLIC LAND. Bundy risked an armed confrontation... should the 'law' simply ignore a man who has refused to obey court rulings and the law????

The ONLY way there is a legal resolution is if Bundy cooperates. What other thief gets to CONTINUE to break the law, continue to steal and all the 'law' does is send new court date documents. Bundy appears to have a sense of entitlement due to his kin settling in the area just after statehood, a modern day cattle baron who thinks his opinion is law.

Immigration is a CON deflection... millions are being deported, the BLM is in NO WAY connected to ICE. What a twisted CON game to try and use immigration to rant about other enforcing of the law...

Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

Originally Posted by notquiteright

IF you READ the articles online you see the issue has been in court several times. I'd say this is a last resort to send the message- a CON message BTW- no one is above the law. This is on Bundy, he refused to cooperate, refused to remove his cattle from a now prohibited area, he refused to pay the rather low fees for access to PUBLIC LAND. Bundy risked an armed confrontation... should the 'law' simply ignore a man who has refused to obey court rulings and the law????

The ONLY way there is a legal resolution is if Bundy cooperates. What other thief gets to CONTINUE to break the law, continue to steal and all the 'law' does is send new court date documents. Bundy appears to have a sense of entitlement due to his kin settling in the area just after statehood, a modern day cattle baron who thinks his opinion is law.

Immigration is a CON deflection... millions are being deported, the BLM is in NO WAY connected to ICE. What a twisted CON game to try and use immigration to rant about other enforcing of the law...

No...Immigration is not a CON deflection and if you actually believe that you are a moron. We have an army of border patrol, ICE, state and local law enforcement officials that are fed trained, teams of attorneys, and entire government agencies in place to enforce established and existing federal law. Conversely...you have a rancher who has been violating the law for 20 years and been pretty consistently ignored and THAT is the issue you decide you want to scramble the troops on? Oh...and BTW...doesnt the administration look rather impotent that A-they decided to send in an army of people and B-then they ran home with their tails between their legs? No...they shouldnt have (how did the one Administration official put it) filled coffins...they simply should have handled it smarter from the get-go. Hell...start with being honest. The money for grazing fees...Meh...bull****. Thats not what this is about. Protecting the sacred tortoise? Again...bull****. The government doesnt care about that. The government wants to prevent him from grazing on the BLM lands because they want to build a solar array there. OK...people need solar power...I'm hip. Show an honest representation of why you actually give a **** all of a sudden.

The administration looks like the always look. Weak...impotent...pathetic.

Re: Armed guards surround Bundy, supporters fear imminent threat

Originally Posted by VanceMack

No...Immigration is not a CON deflection and if you actually believe that you are a moron. We have an army of border patrol, ICE, state and local law enforcement officials that are fed trained, teams of attorneys, and entire government agencies in place to enforce established and existing federal law. Conversely...you have a rancher who has been violating the law for 20 years and been pretty consistently ignored and THAT is the issue you decide you want to scramble the troops on? Oh...and BTW...doesnt the administration look rather impotent that A-they decided to send in an army of people and B-then they ran home with their tails between their legs? No...they shouldnt have (how did the one Administration official put it) filled coffins...they simply should have handled it smarter from the get-go. Hell...start with being honest. The money for grazing fees...Meh...bull****. Thats not what this is about. Protecting the sacred tortoise? Again...bull****. The government doesnt care about that. The government wants to prevent him from grazing on the BLM lands because they want to build a solar array there. OK...people need solar power...I'm hip. Show an honest representation of why you actually give a **** all of a sudden. The administration looks like the always look. Weak...impotent...pathetic.

Any proof the 'government' wants THAT land for solar power, or just more CON crap to deflect from a long time thief, who as ignored the courts BTW, FINALLY, not suddenly getting the LAW enforced on his arrogant butt.

"Troops" have been on the border for decades, this admin has been rounding up MORE illegals than the BushII one. You are just slinging crap to avoid the facts about Bundy and his long time law breaking. He wasn't ignored, the court system took time to try and give the putz time to back down and remove his cattle.

I doubt you have rounded up a single cow in your lifetime much less hundreds at a time... it takes a small 'army' on thousands of acres. Bundy and a few rather rabid self proclaimed militia types have ranted online about this and it would be disgraceful to send civilian wranglers into a hot mess without LE to safeguard them.

The government banned grazing in 1993, has been to court over it and the final straw was Bundy ignoring a court order to REMOVE his cattle.

I agree the BLM should have continued the round-up, Bundy is pushing for a violent confrontation. But I can imagine the CON bloggers firing up- but not flocking to the fire fight- calling any confrontation another 'Waco'

I can't find where an 'administration official' said anything about filling coffins.... where is that???

Nawww, if a bunch of city takers squatted in a National park, detroying the flora, crapping everywhere, and defied court orders to vacate are you saying you'd tell us you're ok with that..... time for you to be honest....