consecutive games with a hit is the greatest record I thought we were all smarter to realize there is so much luck involved in that. Granted, nobody's come within 20% of it, but with a little bit of luck and a lot of skill, it could happen.

look at career Wins, still approx a 20% lead for Cy Young over Walter Johnson, but nobody will ever reach that.

bigken117 wrote:consecutive games with a hit is the greatest record I thought we were all smarter to realize there is so much luck involved in that. Granted, nobody's come within 20% of it, but with a little bit of luck and a lot of skill, it could happen.

look at career Wins, still approx a 20% lead for Cy Young over Walter Johnson, but nobody will ever reach that.

if you're saying that luck is involved in consecutive games with a hit, how about Wins in general? you're relying on your team to actually get you some run support to even get the Win. I believe it's been discussed here in the cafe at length that Wins are not indicative to how good/bad a pitcher really is, so if that's the case, why should we hold that as the greatest record? Sure Cy's record is extremely impressive, and probably will never be matched, but I just can't vote for career Wins as the greatest record.

bigken117 wrote:consecutive games with a hit is the greatest record I thought we were all smarter to realize there is so much luck involved in that. Granted, nobody's come within 20% of it, but with a little bit of luck and a lot of skill, it could happen.

look at career Wins, still approx a 20% lead for Cy Young over Walter Johnson, but nobody will ever reach that.

if you're saying that luck is involved in consecutive games with a hit, how about Wins in general? you're relying on your team to actually get you some run support to even get the Win. I believe it's been discussed here in the cafe at length that Wins are not indicative to how good/bad a pitcher really is, so if that's the case, why should we hold that as the greatest record? Sure Cy's record is extremely impressive, and probably will never be matched, but I just can't vote for career Wins as the greatest record.

Just my $0.02

Well when Cy Young played, they were more indicative of pitching talent than today because pitchers always pitched complete games, unless they were so terrible that they they had to be pulled early, or the game went 20 innings. Cy Young, 815 games started, 749 complete games.

Of course, even back then luck had a lot to do with wins.

"I do not think baseball of today is any better than it was 30 years ago... I still think Radbourne is the greatest of the pitchers." John Sullivan 1914-Old athletes never change.

It been about 5 years since the Vote-Off and from the looks of things #20 was broken and #13 was tied. A-Rod made a serious run at #16 and #19. Verlander needs a couple more no-nos before Ryan should start to worry.