We also now know what's going on with FDCL. Basically, SoD has a 1sec ICD now, so you can't ever get a double-proc (from initial VT tick and a Mastery), but is still supposedly a 15% proc chance...though this isn't entirely accurate, as it is a 15% chance on Hit or Mastery, not both. This means in multidot situations we see a lot fewer procs, which effectively kills it as a talent choice (MBender was on par with it before in 1-target, and it is lousy with each extra target added).

Oh well. At least we know now. I'll try to math it out to give an idea of the 'real'/effective proc rate based on Mastery later this week.

Would have been nice for them to actually say that's what they were doing with FDCL/Surge of Darkness, instead of just stealth nerfing like that and leaving how many of us with no idea wtf is going on.

Regarding FDCL -- since it has yet to be confirmed -- I'm holding out hope that it was either something they've simply overlooked, or something they're "dry testing" to see how it affects players in PvP. While not too entirely un-Blizzard, I'm very uncomfortable with one of our most powerful talents being nerfed to one of our weakest. And although SW: I is a very appetizing offset for the nerf to FDCL, it still held value on council type encounters and the small amounts of controllable burst were nice.

Regarding FDCL -- since it has yet to be confirmed -- I'm holding out hope that it was either something they've simply overlooked, or something they're "dry testing" to see how it affects players in PvP. While not too entirely un-Blizzard, I'm very uncomfortable with one of our most powerful talents being nerfed to one of our weakest. And although SW: I is a very appetizing offset for the nerf to FDCL, it still held value on council type encounters and the small amounts of controllable burst were nice.

Had some fun with this the other day, Had just gotten the Unerring Vision of Lei Shen and was doing some proc tests and UI adjustments so I can actually tell when it goes. Was doing multi-dotting on all 4 horde side dummies for a good few minutes. (50 mil dmg total or something when I walked away). Anyways, when I left combat I went up to the bank and went afk. Came back a good 7 or 8 minutes later and low and behold, I'm still spawning apparitions and they walk down the stairs out to the dummies. Was quite comical.

Are you raiding with someone who is Disc? There have been weird occurrences where someone else's abilities will be attributed to the wrong person (it hasn't happened recently that I know of just has happened before).

Are you raiding with someone who is Disc? There have been weird occurrences where someone else's abilities will be attributed to the wrong person (it hasn't happened recently that I know of just has happened before).

Yes, 2 Disc priests. It just seems weird that it would attribute it to me.

I noticed Aegis buff on my grid (got show if mine), it happens once or twice per raid only, so definitly rare. I raid with a disc aswell and this has been going on for atleast several weeks maybe months. 5.1 is my guess. I also noticed its possible to double shield the same targets if you do it at the exact same time, but that is an older and known bug I guess.

So that idea about taking +Heal out of Chakra, but leaving the other effects in?

I kind of piggybacked off of a tweet from nobodysbaby and a "snowsam" (with regards to what differentiates Holy's usefulness in a raid compared to disc), and brought it up to Ghostcrawler today, and he asked for clarification:

Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment

change the +heal to only be a penalty in Chastise. Keep all other funct. including HWords. It makes Chakra about the mechanics useful to situation, not the numbers. Becomes fun again.

So that idea about taking +Heal out of Chakra, but leaving the other effects in?

I kind of piggybacked off of a tweet from nobodysbaby and a "snowsam" (with regards to what differentiates Holy's usefulness in a raid compared to disc), and brought it up to Ghostcrawler today, and he asked for clarification:

Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainmentchange the +heal to only be a penalty in Chastise. Keep all other funct. including HWords. It makes Chakra about the mechanics useful to situation, not the numbers. Becomes fun again.

I've actually tweeted this to him like 5 times... bout time he's recognizing it. Pleaseeeeeeeeeeee

Oh, trust me love. So have I. But having him at least acknowledge it, well, might give them something to "try" for next PTR, or figure out what to do with it for next Expansion. Was also his last tweet of the day.

Mmmmhm, I've been tweeting so much about Chakras, I really start to feel like a bitter bitch (hm, maybe I am). But this... raises hope! I actually do think this is a bottle neck for playing the specc in raids (especially 10's) and one of the reasons it became unpopular in the first place.

I know most Holy Priest, yes, I can say that with certainity, dislike Chakra in it's current form (with the bonus to either AoE or ST on a 30s timer), I've been watching this very closely from the release of it, it's not just something I assume.

I don't think only to change Chakra bonus will do all the work to make Holy attractive again, it certainly will help, but I think we need something more, like the old Inspiration or Sanc groundspell to do something actually cool, like +heal or -dmg taken, since we lost both Twist of Fate, GS glyph (I actually think Holy got very few interesting glyphs now), PoH hot, +Meditation, the old FDCL and Inspiration (I'm sure I forgot something, start to get senile) with the new talent system wich only allows us a few choices. We became really "flat" as a healer the last years, not much depth, if you know what I mean. We didn't get a lot of changes or cool new mechanics, instead I feel we lost some (like the use of Sanctuary on a regular basis, and Chakra actually making us use less spells in our healing).

We got too simplified...?:O

Even the LS change made it more simple. Sure, I like it straight forward and reactive, but not with punishment for using "the wrong" spells.