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1. Why were no IBM typewriters in either of the Twin Towers on the morning of the attacks? What did the IMB people know?

2. There had to be at least a ton of ground coffe within the WTC complex, yet no coffe residue was found by the R Lee report guys. Where did all of that coffe go? Is that where they hid the nano-thermite? Shit, this doesn't even take in the decaf.

3. In spite of the impacts upon both towers, the Muzac continued to play right up to the final collapse. Muzac is elevator music, so if the elevator music was still working then this means (by troofer logic anyway) that the elevators themselves must have been working. Maybe the explosives were sent up into the towers on those working elevators, probably by Mossad agents or just really sneaky Jews.

4.Does the government really expect me to believe that the NYFD didn't have one ladder that could reach the roofs of the WTC? They must have hidden it next to those silent anti-aircraft batteries next to the Pentagon.

5. WTC7 fell at free-fall speed, which means that the government had somehow affected gravity, so why didn't any of those jumpers fall up? Or did certain jumpers float to the ground and walk away because they were Mossad demo guys? We never saw all the bodies did we?

6. Osama bin Laden and Karl Rove have never been seen on the same room together, why?

7. 1 WTC had a huge no-parking zone in the front, large enough for multiple fire trucks. It's almost like they were expecting trouble, yet the 9/11 Commission never addressed this.

8.9/11 Commissioner and former Senator Bob Kerry was a Navy SEAL in Vietnam, but he never set aside time during the hearing to tell cool Navy SEAL Vietnam stories. Why is this? Also he has the same last name as Jon Kerry, who is also a Senator, and Vietnam vet who was also on small boats on the Mekong Delta.Wierd, huh? If there were ever two guys who could have staged the Gulf of Tonkin raid ('cuz in the troofer world this is somehow relevant to 9/11)it's the Kerry non-brothers. Yet Bush remained silent on this issue. Why?

9. The real Spiderman was killed in Kosovo in 1999, probably by Jews. This is why the attacks were successful. Did the government get Spiderman out of the way?

10. I have never been to New York, and never went to or into the Twin Towers or WTC7, but I have seen maps and plenty of pictures. This plus I do my own plumbing repairs makes me some kind of expert on engineering. Still nobody takes me seriously. WHY? Why am I suppressed? WHY?

See...I have questions too...sure they come out of my ass but at least I am aware of this.

1. Why were no IBM typewriters in either of the Twin Towers on the morning of the attacks? What did the IMB people know?

2. There had to be at least a ton of ground coffe within the WTC complex, yet no coffe residue was found by the R Lee report guys. Where did all of that coffe go? Is that where they hid the nano-thermite? Shit, this doesn't even take in the decaf.

3. In spite of the impacts upon both towers, the Muzac continued to play right up to the final collapse. Muzac is elevator music, so if the elevator music was still working then this means (by troofer logic anyway) that the elevators themselves must have been working. Maybe the explosives were sent up into the towers on those working elevators, probably by Mossad agents or just really sneaky Jews.

4.Does the government really expect me to believe that the NYFD didn't have one ladder that could reach the roofs of the WTC? They must have hidden it next to those silent anti-aircraft batteries next to the Pentagon.

5. WTC7 fell at free-fall speed, which means that the government had somehow affected gravity, so why didn't any of those jumpers fall up? Or did certain jumpers float to the ground and walk away because they were Mossad demo guys? We never saw all the bodies did we?

6. Osama bin Laden and Karl Rove have never been seen on the same room together, why?

7. 1 WTC had a huge no-parking zone in the front, large enough for multiple fire trucks. It's almost like they were expecting trouble, yet the 9/11 Commission never addressed this.

8.9/11 Commissioner and former Senator Bob Kerry was a Navy SEAL in Vietnam, but he never set aside time during the hearing to tell cool Navy SEAL Vietnam stories. Why is this? Also he has the same last name as Jon Kerry, who is also a Senator, and Vietnam vet who was also on small boats on the Mekong Delta.Wierd, huh? If there were ever two guys who could have staged the Gulf of Tonkin raid ('cuz in the troofer world this is somehow relevant to 9/11)it's the Kerry non-brothers. Yet Bush remained silent on this issue. Why?

9. The real Spiderman was killed in Kosovo in 1999, probably by Jews. This is why the attacks were successful. Did the government get Spiderman out of the way?

10. I have never been to New York, and never went to or into the Twin Towers or WTC7, but I have seen maps and plenty of pictures. This plus I do my own plumbing repairs makes me some kind of expert on engineering. Still nobody takes me seriously. WHY? Why am I suppressed? WHY?

See...I have questions too...sure they come out of my ass but at least I am aware of this.

Hey Marc,Pat finds your post concise and hilarious. He also appreciates that you spammed the board twice with it, so he could laugh even longer. Good thing you put in so much effort, because you contribute a lot to the discussion. Every time.

...and per the standard exemplified by Pat and GutterBilge, we can assume that the source for your 'research' is your ugly obese ass, right Troy? When's the last time anyone took you seriously, you fat clown? Go take some pills, IED.

The joke is not about the attack but the about foolish little people of lower than normal intelligence who still have questions as to who did the attacks on 9/11. It along the same line as those who still question the Moon landing and who shot JFK.

It funny that we still have people so devoid of critical thinking skills they buy a conspiracy scam like 'inside job" It's sad in a way, imaging being the brunt of the joke in every social circle. Imaging having to be a Brian Good, your typical truther, destitute of skills, education and double digest IQ.

Imagine having nothing to do but be the class clown by going to debunking site to be punked and abused be people far superior to yourself?

Imagine NOT having the inborn intelligence to get Marc's joke about people who have questions?

See I have questions too. If truthers are so informed and enlightened about 9/11, why do they have so many questions?

GutBile thinks his word is more reliable than that of the R.J. Lee group, who actually tested samples of the dust, and found the iron had melted in the WTC event. The fly ash trope seems to have originated at JREF, and persists through hopeful speculation and whining denial. Now gutbile thinks it explains both the spheres and the chips. Real scientists have tested the dust, and have reported their findings accordingly. Pat hopes you believe gutballs.

The psychopath dissembles, "...GutBile thinks his word is more reliable than that of the R.J. Lee group, who actually tested samples of the dust, and found the iron had melted in the WTC event."

Wrong! The RJ Lee Report did not prove that iron melted as the result of "the WTC event."

As I pointed out earlier, there is plenty of evidence that the materials found in the dust, Fly ash and Pumice, were subjected to extremely high temperatures at some time, but not on 9/11. For example, fly ash is the product of coal fired power plants and pumice is the product of super-heated volcanic eruptions.

When I challenged you to show me where the RJ Lee Report mentions the temperature range that is necessary to produce the observed phenomenon, you balked. Moreover, the report tells us absolutely nothing about where we might find those temperatures during the event.

In fact, the RJ Lee Report doesn't provide evidence that Fly ash and Pumice were subjected to extremely high temperatures at any other time than when they were produced.

FACT: You can lie about the RJ Lee Report until you're blue in the face, but you can't produce one word from the report that supports your propaganda.

Brian Good prevaricates, "...Real scientists have tested the dust, and have reported their findings accordingly."

Excuse me, charlatan, a computer scientist is a scientist--your idiotic babbling and lying to the contrary notwithstanding. Furthermore, the "real scientists" you mention are troofers with a hidden political agenda. Their bias DRIPS from every paper they've written on this subject. Additionally, Jones' paper titled, Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe, was never submitted to the scientific or the engineering community. The paper was not properly peer reviewed. Jones submitted his paper to biased troofers--Harrit, Legge, Ryan, Farrer, etc.--and fraudulently referred to this as silliness as a "peer review process." Put simply, this is not a "peer review process", it's a circle jerk.

Jay wrote, "...I used to enjoy coming here, but with all the cursing and shouting from both sides all the time in the comment sections i think its time to stop coming here."

Jay is right, and I can sympathize with his objections. However, it's important to understand that we're dealing with Brian Good, a "man" who can only be described as a pathological liar. Hopefully, you'll understand the frustration that's bound to occur when dealing with a pathological liar.

Real scientists don't cite themselves as sources, goatboy. Go ahead & talk about pumice and incinerators all you want (how hot does an incinerator get, anyway?), but you've never tested the dust, so all you have is speculation and a lot of whining. Not a single scientist who has worked with the dust has proposed fly ash as the origin of the melted iron. Real researchers find this obvious, and it's fun to watch you flop and squirm to avoid it.

Result: Another spectacular failure for GoatBile, personally and as a "scientist".

The psychopath prevaricates, "...Go ahead & talk about pumice and incinerators all you want (how hot does an incinerator get, anyway?), but you've never tested the dust, so all you have is speculation and a lot of whining."

Temperature of 1536 degrees C are not necessary to produce iron-rich spheres. As I've already proven, the particles found in Jones' samples are produced by incinerators that never reach temperatures in excess of 1000 degrees C. That said, spheres are produced at temperatures ranging between 600 and 1000 degrees C, which is within the temperature range produced by the WTC office fire. A waste incinerator, moreover, if subjected to 1536 degrees C will melt. Remember, and incinerator is usually made of carbon steel.

"...Not a single scientist who has worked with the dust has proposed fly ash as the origin of the melted iron."

It's something that doesn't even mention the WTC event, nor how melted iron got into the the Dust. The R.J. Lee Report does exactly that. Stop humiliating yourself...or don't, since it's hilarious to watch.

Tell us, Brian, doesn't the Characterization of Combustion Residues from an MSW Incinerator paper I produced prove that incinerators produce the same results, and yield spheres at 600 to 1000 degrees C? Doesn't the paper prove that spherical particles are an expected byproduct of an incinerator, as well. The spherical particles range in size from ~50 um to 10 nm. The incinerator was fed with wood, paper or municipal waste. In other words, the incinerator was fed with material one would expect to find in any building, including the World Trade Center Towers.

From the paper, titled Characterization of Combustion Residues from an MSW Incinerator, we find the following:

"...Combustion residues collected at different sites in the incinerator were different in term of size, composition, and morphology. This was due to ash formation processes (chemical reaction, coagulation, chain agglomeration, condensation) as well as the transportation of entrained fly ash with gas stream.

Wikipedia wrote, "...According to the European Waste Incineration Directive, incineration plants must be designed to ensure that the flue gases reach a temperature of at least 850 °C (1,560 °F) for 2 seconds in order to ensure proper breakdown of toxic organic substances."

The psychopath dissembles, "...It's something that doesn't even mention the WTC event, nor how melted iron got into the the Dust."

It's not looking good for you, Brian. In fact, I've proven that you're a liar again. If you'd had taken the time to read the paper, you'd know that the paper proves that elemental Fe is a byproduct of incineration--and incineration temperatures in excess of 1000 degrees C ARE NOT NECESSARY TO PRODUCE THE RESULTING SPHERES.

Now, tell us that the paper I produced doesn't make minced meat of Jones' idotic argument.

The fact is that a temperature of 1536 degrees C is not necessary to produce iron-rich spheres. Temperatures in the range of 600 to 1000 degrees C are more than sufficient to produce the spheres. Thus, Jones et al are in error--lying.

Concerning the temperatures that a required to incinerate waste, we find the following:

"...Temperature Range. In full operation, the temperatures in the combustion chamber range from 1,400°F to a maximum of 2,000°F. All combustible materials andodorous gases are consumed at an optimum temperature of 1,600°F. Prolonged higher temperatures damage refractories and castings. Fluctuations in temperatures causethe cement joints between the firebricks to break down, allowing sections of refractory to fall out, especially in the arch and hanging walls."

The psychopath prevaricates, "...Believe my speculation, and not the scientists who published a report after working with the WTC dust firsthand."

Again, the source of the dust is irrelevant--you stupid twat.

Read it again, until you get it through your thick skull: "...The fact is that a temperature of 1536 degrees C is not necessary to produce iron-rich spheres. Temperatures in the range of 600 to 1000 degrees C are more than sufficient to produce the spheres."

"...iron-rich spheres are produced at temperatures well below 1536 degrees C..." -BillyGoatBoy

Translation: I'm speculating about the WTC dust again, and pretending that I never heard about the melted lead in it. But you have to believe me, because I use words like 'jizzmop' and 'psychopath'. I'm a SCIENTIST!

LOL! If that's the case, why did Richard Gage and the whole Hee-Haw gang get all of their material from a theologian, a water tester, a crank physicist, a high school physics teacher, three knuckleheads with an editing program, a Holocaust denier, and a software engineer?

The psychopath dissembles, "...Translation: I'm speculating about the WTC dust again, and pretending that I never heard about the melted lead in it. But you have to believe me, because I use words like 'jizzmop' and 'psychopath'. I'm a SCIENTIST!"

"Metals showed different partitioning behaviors depending on their physical and chemical properties. Less volatile elements (Al, Cu and Fe) were mostly found in the bottom ash while volatile elements (Cd, Pb and As) were enriched in fabric filter ash."

The psychopath prevaricates, "...A real scientist would have known about this and addressed it, instead of just giggling. But we know what kind of Cry-entist [SIC] you are."

But that not what the RJ Lee Report says--you twat.

"...The amount of energy introduced during the generation of the WTC dust and the ensuing conflagration caused various components to vaporize. Vapor phase components with high boiling point and high melting point would have, as they cooled, tend to form precipitated particles or thin film deposits on available surfaces through condensation mechanisms. The result of this process would be the presence of a thin layer of deposited material on the surfaces of the dust particulate matter. Many of the materials, such as lead, cadmium, mercury and various organic compounds vaporized and then condensed during the WTC event."

The psychopath continues, "...therefore you have nothing but speculation and guesswork."

Really? Tell us about it, hypocrite. A peer reviewed paper is hardly "speculation and guesswork"--you lying sack of dog droppings.

SHOW ME WHERE THE RJ LEE REPORT ENDORSES JONES, ET AL? Otherwise YOU ARE SPECULATING AND RESORTING TO GUESSWORK.

"...Particles of materials that had been modified by exposure to high temperature, such as spherical particles of iron and silicates, are common in WTC Dust because of the fire that accompanied the WTC Event, but are not common in 'normal' interior office dust." -- The RJ Lee Report.

That's funny, I don't see any reference to anything other than fire. Where does the RJ Lee Report suggest that something other than fire produced the spheres? Where does the RJ Lee Report endorse Jones et al?

Now that Bill was shown to be completely WRONG about the melted iron in the dust, he now endorses RJ Lee's findings, and has waffled & backed away from his precious fly ash nonsense.

This is what happens when someone can't cite sources effectively, can't formulate an argument, and bases their argument on speculation and whining: sooner or later, they grudgingly come around to the inconvenient facts... GB is no exception, no matter how much he protests. Goodnight, Bill.

The psychopath dissembles, "...Now that Bill was shown to be completely WRONG about the melted iron in the dust, he now endorses RJ Lee's findings, and has waffled & backed away from his precious fly ash nonsense."

Another bald-faced lie.

And as predicted, you're changing the subject.

Where does the RJ Lee Report suggest that something other than fire produced the spheres? Where does the RJ Lee Report endorse Jones et al?

Produce a passage from the RJ Lee Report that substantiates your assertion, or go play in the freeway.

I proved that fire in the temperature range of 600 - 1000 degrees C can produce the iron-rich sphere. However, only the building's lightweight concrete can account for the majority of the iron-rich sphere found in the dust.

Now, stop misrepresenting my argument, and answer the questions.

Again, where does the RJ Lee Report suggest that something other than fire produced the spheres? Where does the RJ Lee Report endorse Jones et al?

Produce a passage from the RJ Lee Report that substantiates your assertion, or go play in the freeway.

"...Concrete is a construction material composed of cement (commonly Portland cement) and other cementitious materials such as fly ash and slag cement, aggregate (generally a coarse aggregate made of gravels or crushed rocks such as limestone, or granite, plus a fine aggregate such as sand), water, and chemical admixtures...A nearly inert material, concrete is suitable as a medium for recycling waste and industrial byproducts. Fly ash, slag and silica fume are used in making concrete, which helps reduce embodied energy, carbon footprint and quantity of landfill materials. The process of making cement also uses waste materials. Tires have high energy content and can supplement coal as fuel in the kiln. Industrial byproducts such as ash from coal combustion, fly ash from power stations as well as mill scale and foundry sand from steel casting provide the silica, calcium, alumina and iron needed for making cement."

"...What Is Quality Concrete? To fully appreciate the benefits of fly ash in concrete, the basics of producing exceptional concrete must be understood. Concrete is a composite material, which essentially consists of two components: aggregates and cementitious paste. To produce exceptional concrete, it is extremely important to have a smooth gradation of material from rock down to the finest particles (in other words, a good mix of particle sizes, so that the largest practicable rock fills the majority of the volume, while the progressively smaller rock and sand fill the voids left between the larger particles)."

You're just throwing shit up and hoping it'll stick now, GB. You haven't proven that the iron came from fly ash, even if there's iron in the concrete. You're not fooling anyone. Did you know that some idiot tried to claim that the iron came from human remains, since humans contain iron? That was on JREF, and now you're making the same mistakes.

At the risk of sounding like you, spamming the same shit forever: you have produced NOT A SINGLE SOURCE that points to concrete as the source of the melted iron. It's YOUR SPECULATION, JACKASS.

Spam all you want. Whine, waste space, and obfuscate with irrelevant facts, but you're way past any honest discussion of the evidence. Sad, really. (I'm a SCIENTIST!!!!!!)

The psychopath dissembles, "...You retreated to the EXACT same words & tactics the last time your ass was handed to you. And here's a hint: It's not a question just because you put a question mark at the end, genius."

Bill, I think you take Brian or who ever this loser is far to seriously. Remember he IS a truther and in being so one of the lower forms of life on the planet. He is something to be pitied if you think it is necessary to feel sorry for people who by accident of birth are lower on the evolutionary tree.

The conspiracy theorist types live in a world where everyone around them is brighter, more talented and more sophisticated and cultured, and because of this more socially accepted. The Brian Good types have to live in their knuckle dragging existence pretending to be heros to the truth because they have nothing else to be proud of, no life beyond the falsehood they latched onto, No accomplishments. Just the dally grind of slinging mud and hoping something sticks.

A guy like Brian can die tomorrow and no one would care, in fact the world would be a sightly better place for it.

"Jay said...I used to enjoy coming here, but with all the cursing and shouting from both sides all the time in the comment sections i think its time to stop coming here."

Yes, the 9/11 truth thing is a dead issue. Not a lot to say, the truthers blew their wad and came up zero. as we said they would. The only ones left are the uber crazy losers who can't let go of the fact no one cares about what they say. they have to come here just be get any form of attention even if it is abuse, it is better than being completely ignored.

Brian Good and the rest of truther gang are only useful as an example of how not to live. Only interesting as subjects to ponder as to how did they get so fucked up?

I personally think it's a matter of some being less evolved than others. Some gene issue that makes some people natural born suckers. PT Barnum knew they were being born and in a way served a purpose as un-questioning followers to whatever bullshit they latch onto. What would DRG and Gage be without them? Nothing but a retired theologian and a third rate architect.

It allows guys like Brian to pretend he is a hero and not just a 50 something janitor living with mom and dad because he has nothing of value to offer society.

ArseHooligan, I want you to explain how ~3,000 lbs (or 3,900 lbs. of "nanothermite", depending on which lie Jones decides to tell this week) of "nanothermite" (Jones theory) can produce 10,000 tons of iron-rich sphere?

And don't forget to violate the laws of thermodynamics, cretin.

And remember the law of conservation of mass, which states that mass cannot be created or destroyed.

Scientists disagree all the time,jerkoff.For you to say Jones is a liar explains everything about you,and nothing about Jones.Unleash your insane bloviations on the Gulf of Tonkin story,we need a laugh back here at home.I don't see you arranging to meet me anywhere.What gives,Dogboy?

Awe.. get a load of poor Arhoolie,who has been crushed by the Troofer Cult's pathetic defeat by one single man,and now Walt is lashing out and whining that his cult's scientists aren't taken seriously. Hey, Areshooligan, maybe you could crack open a science book not written by mentally retarded liar sometime.

In the meantime, continue to cry with every pathetic comment you post here. We love enjoying your tears of defeat... *lapping them up.

"...His obsession with secrecy, both in others and maintaining his own, lends him the air of a conspiracy theorist. Is he one? 'I believe in facts about conspiracies,' he says, choosing his words slowly. 'Any time people with power plan in secret, they are conducting a conspiracy. So there are conspiracies everywhere. There are also crazed conspiracy theories. It's important not to confuse these two. Generally, when there's enough facts about a conspiracy we simply call this news.' What about 9/11? 'I'm constantly annoyed that people are distracted by false conspiracies such as 9/11, when all around we provide evidence of real conspiracies, for war or mass financial fraud.'"

Is there a second Lee report because I don't see anything in it that is not consistant with the collapse of the WTC as a result of two plane-strikes.

Anonipuss is getting worked up over nothing. He keeps extolling the fact that the Lee report was put together by scientists (which is who you'd expect to put together a scientific report), yet none of the scientists see anything out of the ordinary with the contents of the dust. I was expecting commentary about anomolous findings, yet there are none to be found.

So Anonymouse thinks he is smarter than the guys who put together the Lee report, and this is hillarious.

RJ Lee said the iron in the dust was melted in the WTC event. They didn't say it came from concrete. GB seems to think there were volcanoes and incinerators at the WTC. RJ Lee actually worked with the dust. James Bennett hopes you agree with GoatBile.

GB-As I pointed out earlier, there is plenty of evidence that the materials found in the dust, Fly ash and Pumice, were subjected to extremely high temperatures at some time, but not on 9/11. For example, fly ash is the product of coal fired power plants and pumice is the product of super-heated volcanic eruptions.

Sadly though Billy, you fail to recognize those melted iron or steel spheres were not present in the samples of WTC dust prior to 9/11 that RJ Lee collected and tested.

Nor does the report show that pumice from the New York Volcano nor fly ash was present in the dust PRIOR to the 9/11 event. They only mention that trace amounts that could occur in normal background dust.

Does the report list the tempertatures at which iron or steel melts? No. Does it need to? No.

But Billy, feel free to suck on this:However, it is worth noting that fly ash and partiallycombusted products can occur in trace concentrations in ordinary buildingdusts,but not in the concentrations observed in WTC Dust.

Doesn't your numbskull get it?It wasn't jet fuel that caused the iron spheres to melt. It wasn't burning shit in the towers hot enough to melt iron. It wasn't fly ash from a coal plant, shit for brains. It was something else that melted the iron or steel.

RJ Lee lays out the unique instance of iron spheres and REMVOES the most likely cause of the iron or steel spheres-fly ash! The one excuse and common explanation debunkers like to use to explain the cause... "it was the fly ash, dummy." In this case all a debunker is doing is flat out lying and ignoring the science. Jone's simply confirmed what at one time was confidential...the discovery of iron or steel spheres caused by melting. Harriet's team has discovered that the most likely cause of the melted iron or steel spheres.Quit playing intellectual again, oh and here is your ass on a plate...again. From your friendly non-brian anyony.

Hey,quit pickin' on the desperate, addled "Git"! After all,he's up to his neck in Afghanistan slaughter documents that are literally crushing his arguments to death right in front of him! Our military lie to us? "Never",sayeth the sickest boy in California.Oof!

The psychopath dissembles, "...Sadly though Billy, you fail to recognize those melted iron or steel spheres were not present in the samples of WTC dust prior to 9/11 that RJ Lee collected and tested...Nor does the report show that pumice from the New York Volcano nor fly ash was present in the dust PRIOR to the 9/11 event. They only mention that trace amounts that could occur in normal background dust."

LOL!

Too stupid for words, aren't you?

Fly ash is aggregate for concrete--you retard. The fly ash wasn't released into the environment until AFTER the concrete was pulverized.

Does the obvious always evade you, retard?

"...Doesn't your numbskull get it?It wasn't jet fuel that caused the iron spheres to melt. It wasn't burning shit in the towers hot enough to melt iron. It wasn't fly ash from a coal plant, shit for brains. It was something else that melted the iron or steel."

The ONLY source with enough iron-rich sphere (fly ash and pumice) to spew thousands of TONS of iron-rich sphere (again, fly ash and pumice) over the debris pile, not to mention lower Manhattan, was the WTC towers lightweight concrete.

Duh!

Now, I want you to explain how ~3,000 lbs (or 3,900 lbs. of "nanothermite", depending on which lie Jones decides to tell this week) of "nanothermite" (Jones theory) can produce 10,000 tons of iron-rich sphere?

And don't forget to violate the laws of thermodynamics, cretin.

And remember the law of conservation of mass, which states that mass cannot be created or destroyed.