(08-08-2019 03:32 PM)jackthenerd Wrote: I feel like especially nowadays (this was true in 2010 days as well), but the powerhouses of Scandinavia and Switzerland are really strong and simply just a better deal.

If you look at the context from a wife perspective, and raising children and whatnot. In Scandinavia, University is free, having a kid is free (you get paid), medical care is free. If you can't find a job you literally get paid (quite a bit as well). You literally get a free house (if you can't get a job). If you get "sick" from work, you still receive 100% pay.

This is exactly what happens when you "feel" (like a woman) instead of think (like a man). The entire supposition behind this thread that any of this stuff from the government is actually free is not only wrong, but a sign of extremely sloppy thinking. Does this "free" stuff just magically appear from the ether? No, it is paid by extremely high taxes in a welfare nanny state.

The fact is that if you live in a low tax nation where you must pay for this stuff, you can save over time to pay for such things (at a far lower cost than if you paid decades worth of taxes in a welfare state) and then invest the substantial savings (between what you would have paid in taxes in a welfare state and what you actually spent for the services that you actually used) in high quality investments, resulting in a small fortune.

Of course, the lure of "free" stuff from a socialist collectivist redistributionist egalitarian welfare state is an opiate of the masses, who would rather suckle at the nipple of socialism than think or work for themselves as free independent men. If you are attracted to women who want to rely on financial support from a welfare state rather than from a strong independent man, then this says a great deal about you.

A lot of what you said is just complete gibberish. Go to a tax calculator, plug in $100k salary a year, look at your take home pay in New York, San Francisco, Texas and Norway. Spoiler: In New York you take home $66k, in San Francisco you take home $68k, in Norway you take home $68k, in Texas you take home $76k. Apparently you have taxes on food and stuff in Norway (which increases COL), and really high taxes when buying a car (but you don't need cars in Europe, so you save even more).

(08-08-2019 11:41 PM)Tail Gunner Wrote:

(08-08-2019 06:44 PM)jackthenerd Wrote: Living on $50k in EE would probably be equivalent to living on $300-500k (or more) in the US, which is quite insane.

This might be the single dumbest thing that I have ever read on this forum. Just as an example, there is only a 2:1 cost-of-living difference between Prague and New York City.

No offense, but I can't believe you said this lmao. You use a shit source that is known to be inaccurate (the numbers are just flat out wrong, it does give an "indication" though, but that's it),you also cherry pick a random EE country to fit your narrative. Let me do the same. In Kiev (capital of Ukraine) the average salary is $400 a month (or $4.8k a year). In San Francisco the MEDIAN salary is $75k a year (mind you, when it comes to money and income, average tend to be way higher than median, so the median salary in Kiev is even lower than $400/month. Let me keep going.... If you were to make $50k a year in Ukraine, you would be 10x'ing your income. To do the same in San Francisco you'd have to make $750k a year. Happy? I'm not sitting here doing 4d chess dude, thinking hard and deep about this shit, looking up sources etc, it was literally just a quick assasment of my general knowledge about salaries in different countries. I know they make roughly 500 a month in Ukraine (really only the EE country I'm familiar with, so I should've probably spesificed it), and around 50-60k a year in the US. After that it's just math man. I really don't think my 300-500k figure was that inaccurate that you had to call it idiotic.

It is difficult to tell whether you are a denial-of-reality troll or simply a lunatic. The top income tax rate in the U.S. is 37% and begins at a $500,000 income level. The top rates in Scandinavian countries, which you described as "a better deal," are as follows:

The third column is the amount at which the highest income tax rate takes effect. In the U.S., the tax rate for the $82,501 – $157,500 income bracket is 24%, which is half (or less) of those Scandinavian countries.

In the U.S., someone earning $100,000 would pay about 33% in taxes, including income taxes and social security taxes. In Sweden, someone earning $100,000 would pay about 58% in taxes. Moreover, unlike Scandinavian and most European countries, the U.S. has no VAT tax. As I stated earlier, that 25%-35% tax savings could be intelligently invested for a small fortune. Your denial of that reality is simply beyond explanation.

(08-08-2019 06:44 PM)jackthenerd Wrote: Living on $50k in EE would probably be equivalent to living on $300-500k (or more) in the US, which is quite insane.

Your pathetic defense of this turd of a statement identifies you as utterly unthinking. If you earn $500,000 in the U.S., you can buy a brand new Lamborghini and still have an equal amount of money left to invest and spend. Living on $50,000 in EE, you would need to save every penny for five years to buy a Lamborghini. The same analysis applies to all other luxury goods. If you believe that you can buy luxury goods in the EE for one-tenth of the retail price, then you belong in an insane asylum. People like me would arrive in the EE and pack all those luxury goods into shipping containers, ship them back home, and then make a fortune on the arbitrage opportunity.

(08-09-2019 01:50 AM)jackthenerd Wrote: I really don't think my 300-500k figure was that inaccurate that you had to call it idiotic.

I never called it "idiotic." I stated: "This might be the single dumbest thing that I have ever read on this forum." In light of your last response, however, I must correct myself. Your statement was indeed beyond idiotic.

If you make $500,000 in the U.S., you can buy two of these:

If you can buy two of those automobiles, or even one, in the EE for $50,000 then let me know. I will fly there tomorrow and ship them back to the U.S. for the arbitrage profit.

You are a perfect example of why new forum members should not be allowed to start new threads.

This stuff just completely went over your head lmao. Translate it into the respective currencies. Use the calculator you linked (the neuvoo one). Plug in 5m NOK for Norway (which is 562214 USD as of right now). Doing that I get that your total income tax in Norway is 43.8% when making $562k. Now plug in 562k USD (yearly obviously), and in California, guess what, the total tax is 42.9%. That's a 0.9% difference. Fuck it, what if you do 1m USD and 8.89m NOK. In Norway, the total tax is 45%, in California it's 46.5%. (Obviously I think Cali is one of the states that are taxes the hardest in the US? I see it's significantly lower in New York (assuming you're making $1m), but I mean, California is getting taxed harder than Norway and this is point lmao.

Also in regards to the other thing you typed, it just completely went over your head. You missed teh point entirely. I never once said you could buy a lamborghini in EE with $50k. Not even close. But here's the entire point that you completely missed. IN COMPARISON TO YOUR OWN RESPECTIVE COUNTRY, IT IS SIMILAR. I Never once said to compare EE and US against eachother. What I said is if you compare making $50k in the US to someone making $300-500k in the US, it is "similar" to comparing someone making $5k in Ukraine to someone making $50k in Ukraine. If this still doesn't make sense to you, then idk at this point. HAVING A LAMBORGHINI IN THE US IS COMMON. IT IS NOT IN UKRAINE. It isn't special to own a lamborghini in the US, but it is in Ukraine. You can't compare them. My entire point is simply this. The living standards of someone making $50k in the US vs someone making $300-500k in the US (like the difference between these two) is roughtly the same as the difference between someone making $5k in Ukraine vs someone who makes $50k in Ukraine? You have to compare Ukraine with Ukraine, and US with US, not compare them up against eachother, that is just idiotic. I guess in short what I meant to say is that someone making $300-500k in the US with respect to the US (comparing it to ppl making 50k) is "equivalent" to someone making $50k in Ukraine in Ukraine with respect to Ukraine (comparing it to ppl making $5k). That's the equivalent relation I'm using. I'm not drawing a direct equivalence between $300-500k US to $50k Ukraine, but an indirect one.

(08-11-2019 03:53 AM)jackthenerd Wrote: HAVING A LAMBORGHINI IN THE US IS COMMON. IT IS NOT IN UKRAINE. It isn't special to own a lamborghini in the US

You are an imbecile -- and nothing that you say is true. I will highlight just your most retarded statements as proof that nothing that you say should ever be trusted. I live in one of the most expensive areas of the U.S. and I have seen only a few Lamborghini automobiles in my life. They are rare. They are rare everywhere on Earth. Lamborghini broke the 1,000 car sales mark in the United States for the first time in 2016.

I don't know about Kiev but I know that in Russia if you make 50k a year you'll live pretty much the same lifestyle as someone making 50k in Australia would, you're still going to be lower middle class, just because there is a much smaller middle class doesn't change where you fit in the grand scheme of things, the wealth distribution graphs look different for the two populations but where an individual earning amount sits on that graph is give or take identical.

There are a lot more poor people but that doesn't change that someone making 50k is nothing more than middle class, you can still only afford the same kind of car, you're going to live in the same kind of neighbourhood and house, you still can't afford the top tier restaurants.

It's just a straight up myth, Moscow might be about 25% cheaper in general than my city in Australia but the wealthy people in Moscow are on a tier that matches anywhere in the world and the upper class are all extremely wealthy. I've seen more super cars in Moscow than in Australia (or the USA for that matter). Being middle class probably carries even less value in EE than it does in western countries.

(08-11-2019 02:59 PM)JimBobsCooters Wrote: I don't know about Kiev but I know that in Russia if you make 50k a year you'll live pretty much the same lifestyle as someone making 50k in Australia would, you're still going to be lower middle class, just because there is a much smaller middle class doesn't change where you fit in the grand scheme of things, the wealth distribution graphs look different for the two populations but where an individual earning amount sits on that graph is give or take identical.

There are a lot more poor people but that doesn't change that someone making 50k is nothing more than middle class, you can still only afford the same kind of car, you're going to live in the same kind of neighbourhood and house, you still can't afford the top tier restaurants

And funny enough this extreme distribution also sets sky high standards for women that have middle class parents that work service sector jobs in nicer places, thinking that some day a super rich guy will pick them up and will treat anyone who doesn't seem an oligarch tier spender or a mafia thug lukewarm at best.

i remember back in 2014 i saw this reddit post of this 16 year old vancouver girl with an aventador. apparently in west vancouver young girls are really spoiled and their fathers buy expensive sports cars for their sweet sixteens.

(08-11-2019 02:59 PM)JimBobsCooters Wrote: I don't know about Kiev but I know that in Russia if you make 50k a year you'll live pretty much the same lifestyle as someone making 50k in Australia would, you're still going to be lower middle class

Dude, please get out of Moscow.

Take this $50k a year to St.Petersburg or Krasnodar or Sochi or Novosibirsk or Vladivostok or anywhere else and you'll get a high standard of living with plenty left to spare.

$50k a year in Kiev will easily get you a nice place in the center, allow you to eat at any restaurant you want, own a car, etc.

(08-08-2019 03:32 PM)jackthenerd Wrote: Is anyone aware of this hierarchy? I might be wrong here, but I feel like especially back in the day, people would just flex their US citizenship and that alone did a lot of the work. If you were on dating apps, maybe you'd just put a US flag in your profile or something like that.

Is having a US citizenship still considered to be that strong? What do you guys think girls think of different citizenships these days? I feel like especially nowadays (this was true in 2010 days as well), but the powerhouses of Scandinavia and Switzerland are really strong and simply just a better deal.

If you look at the context from a wife perspective, and raising children and whatnot. In Scandinavia, University is free, having a kid is free (you get paid), medical care is free. If you can't find a job you literally get paid (quite a bit as well). You literally get a free house (if you can't get a job). If you get "sick" from work, you still receive 100% pay.

People also make a shit ton of money in these countries, even your average blue-collar worker makes a ton. Sure, he doesn't make a ton in the context of his own country (because of high cost of living), but in the context of South America, Asia, Eastern Europe, it's a ton. (I guess what I'm trying to say here is that if you're a girl, and you meet an "average" guy, it's more likely he makes more money if he's from Switzerland/Scandinavia than any other country (this is just going off basic probabilities).

I recently found this, here they're talking about millionaires in $ (USD).

"Switzerland, however, has the most millionaires per capita: Nearly 12% of the adults in the country are millionaires, or one out of every 8.6."

Starting to see my point? Obviously it's a little bit flawed. They aren't really this rich in Switzerland. The reason the number is so high is because of tax havens. I read somewhere if you completely exclude tax havens, Norway is the richest country with the highest proportion of millionaires.

What do you guys think girls from South America, Asia, and Eastern Europe would rate countries by a hierarchy? I feel like in Eastern Europe (especially Russia), they're really "aware" of nordic countries. Meaning "game over, you win", if you're from a nordic country. This is atleast something I've "sensed" so far, I might be wrong though. No clue about Asia / South America.

If I was making my own hierarchy (girls probably wouldn't rate it this way though).but here it goes:

Honestly not sure where I'd put Luxembourg. Never done any reading on Luxembourg, I have a basic "understanding" of most of the countries I listed above. Just looking at stats alone though, Luxembourgh probably somewhere between 1) and 2), or something like that.

I really wonder if the global recognition of the USA still makes them the most powerful country when it comes to this stuff.

In regard to Switzerland, I believe your opinion is wrong. First of all, "Tax haven" is how corrupt and big states call efficient, democratic countries such as Switzerland. Second, I remember seeing somewhere that the "median" household wealth in Switzerland is the biggest in the world. Yes, there are a lot of foreigners' millionaires living there, but that's exactly why the "median" Swiss is "rich": with more millionaires paying a X% of taxes on their income & wealth, the average tax rate can be lower, thus leaving more money in the hands of the average Swiss and contributing to grow wealth for all. If I am not mistaken, both the USA and Germany have around 13%-15% of their population living in poverty, whereas in Switzerland it's just 7,5%. Switzerland is far from perfect but the main reason they so successful is because they have been favoring supply-side economics for more than a century.

In regard to Switzerland, I believe your opinion is wrong. First of all, "Tax haven" is how corrupt and big states call efficient, democratic countries such as Switzerland. Second, I remember seeing somewhere that the "median" household wealth in Switzerland is the biggest in the world. Yes, there are a lot of foreigners' millionaires living there, but that's exactly why the "median" Swiss is "rich": with more millionaires paying a X% of taxes on their income & wealth, the average tax rate can be lower, thus leaving more money in the hands of the average Swiss and contributing to grow wealth for all. If I am not mistaken, both the USA and Germany have around 13%-15% of their population living in poverty, whereas in Switzerland it's just 7,5%. Switzerland is far from perfect but the main reason they so successful is because they have been favoring supply-side economics for more than a century.

A bit of a side commentary to your side commentary:

No one is really poor in any other countries. The "poor" in those countries have electricity, inside plumbing, stoves, refrigerators, food, public transportation, and sometimes even automobiles. If you want to see people who are truly poor, go to parts of Africa, the Middle East, India, China, and the Philippines. There is a reason for the immigrant invasion, namely gaining free goods and services from stupid people.

To the degree that any locals in those countries experience any degree of poverty compared to the rest of the populace, it will continue for so long as the immigrant invasion continues -- diluting scarce financial resources from the local working poor to the the immigrant poor.

The average salary in Moscow is around $12k a year. Many girls come from other parts of Russia where the average Salary is more like $6k or less. Doctors in 2nd and 3rd tier Russia earn $300-400 a month.

In Moscow most girl would be pretty impressed with a 50k salary. In Omsk they would think you're pretty rich.

Living in Asia as an expat everyone always asks where I'm from, I say "Australia" and then then its always about how one of their friends went on a working holiday there, or they have some distant relative living in Melbourne/Sydney/Brisbane or their friend studied there.
Given the disparity in quality among Aussies and other western foreigners in Asia, I think having your life together probably means more than just your passport.

Some people might think its a citizenship hierarchy because by virtue, the average bus driver in the US will make multiple times more money than your average bus driver in Ukraine or Thailand.

Girls are attracted to wealth as in the modern world, money is the main means to provide comfort and stability to girls.

I still recommend wealthy frequent travelers from third world countries to get first world passports. But that's strictly for ease of traveling and foreign investments. Visa walls, capital controls, or restrictions of certain nationals to invest in certain countries can all add up to be a royal pain in the rear for wealthy natives of countries with weak passports or geopolitical pariahs.

Just realized something that is kinda relevant as well. Look at total annual working hours by country. In Scandinavia they have high salaries and barely even work. The average for Norway and Denmark is 1421 and 1410 hours. In the US it's 1783. That's a massive difference tbh. To simplify math, assume US 1800, Norway/Denmark 1400 and assume 8 hours work days 5 days a week. You have 50 more working days in the US than Norway/Denmark ( on average). Factor in saturday and sundays off, and we're talking more than 3 month difference in time off annually. In Russia they work 2000 hours a year, in South Korea it's 2100 hours, in Mexico it's 2255 hours a year. At this point, people in Norway/Denmark literally have 6 months off more than these guys.

All in all, I guess you guys are right though. There isn't a citizenship hierarchy. Logically there should be one. But there's no way girls care that much and looked into stuff for each respective country as extensively as we did here. The hierarchy is probably something like this: 1st world countries > everything else, that's it lol. Or maybe US + Canada + Australia + Western Europe > everything else. What matters most is probably being from one of these countries, having money and being white. Where having money is the main thing.

But tbh, I can't help but think that if a girl is literally considering immigrating to another country. Wouldn't it just be logical to have a tier list of what country you'd prefer to live in? But maybe that's just me.... If I was a girl and I was stuck in colombia in shit conditions, without hot water, working 10 hours a day (including saturdays), you'd bet your ass I'd try to get to switzerland / scandinavia lol, for overall improved quality of life when it comes to literally everything. Income, working hours, medical stuff, everything.