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Contributed by: AubinAubin(others by this writer | submit your own)Published on August 10th 2004I'm getting pretty sick and tired.
I'm sick of hearing that entertainers shouldn't express political opinions; I'm tired of hearing that actors should stick to acting
and comedians should stick to comedy. I'm sick of hearing that musicians should stick to music and stay out of politics.
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I'm getting pretty sick and tired.

I'm sick of hearing that entertainers shouldn't express political opinions; I'm tired of hearing that actors should stick to acting
and comedians should stick to comedy. I'm sick of hearing that musicians should stick to music and stay out of politics.

And I'm tired of hearing that dissent
is unpatriotic.

I certainly don't recall the chorus
of Republicans when their greatest president went from making movies co-starring monkeys to
the White House. I don't remember them saying that when country singers were stumping
for them. I don't remember them saying that when comedians were playing homophobe on their
behalf.

Well, maybe Fat Mike got sick of that too, and unlike me, he has a record label, a bunch of musician friends, a dog and I think he's having a baby;
all of whom will probably vote Kerry/Edwards in November. And I imagine he hopes you will too.

Even the apolitical would have the admire the list of bands he has lining up to this end. The
first Rock Against Bush had an impressive list of contributers, and one could expect
that the second would end up being a collection of leftovers; a B-sides compilation even. But, thankfully, the second
volume of the compilation is at least the equal of its predecessor. Opening strong with an great unreleased track from Green Day, and including
downright classics like Operation Ivy's "Unity" and Jawbreaker's "Chesterfield King", the track listing fails to disappoint. The
list of strong contributions continues with the inclusion of the Foo Fighters covering the Angry Samoans, the Lawrence Arms crackling track, and
a strong donation from the always impressive Hot Water Music.

There are certainly some less than perfect tracks, like the disappointing rendition of a Lagwagon staple by Yellowcard, or the inclusion of a
few too many previously released tracks, both in the form of album tracks and some fairly pedestrian live versions. These small missteps
serve to dull a little of the shine on the disc, though not fatally. And of course, who could forget the lack of a track from Propagandhi, who certainly had something
to say (even if they're completely wrong about he causesoftheEast Asian crisis.)

Still, any weaknesses in the music are certainly overcome by a stronger DVD presentation this time around which features a greater variety
of material. While the music videos don't really carry as much weight - it's pretty hard to top Bad Religion and Strike Anywhere for
talent or political muscle - the addition of a diverse range of political pieces and some comedy sketches certainly compensate for
any shortcomings there. Take the sharp and biting "campaign commercial" courtesy
of Will Ferrell and ACT which actually manages to be funnier in it's scant few minutes than Ferrell's
last film.

While this second compilation certainly doesn't surpass the first in terms of sheer volume of material, the addition of a greater variety
of music and DVD content certainly makes for an entertaining and fun slice of political activism. Considering that liberals and democrats
are often pigeonholed as an opposing bunch of stuffy academics and pot smoking neo-Marxists, Punk Voter's centrist
and inclusionary approach is quite admirable. Insofar as the record purports to be "Against Bush," it is important to remember that
the record also stands for something as well; Mike and Punkvoter have managed to unite a diverse range of people into a coherent cause and
both that diversity of artists and diversity of opinion is well-represented here.

So, despite the kids who think that he should just shut up, Mike isn't listening; he's
not listening to those who won't vote, but bitch anyway. He's not listening to the kids who cut and paste GOP talking points on punk websites. He
actually did something and put his money and his mouth and his friendships into something he believed in and frankly, what is more patriotic than that?

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Anonymous (November 27, 2005)

holy shit! i can't believe you americans. america doesnt do nearly as much as canadians do for other countries....except maybe bomb them if thier opinions are different then yours. plus,canada has produced some great bands, like SNFU,NOMEANSNO,the Weakerthans, and alot of other great bands. And oh yeah,ever heard of Mike Meyers,or Jim Carrey, or Pamela Anderson? Their all Canadian.

Anonymous (October 10, 2004)

ummm.... yeah

everything in politics is strictly what you interpret it to be. dont go around bashing other people for having different opinions than you. you're beign a hypocrite "get your facts straight" why dont you!

but anyways, i thought the album was alright. nothing really special about it.

Anonymous (October 5, 2004)

yep we hate bush rah rah rah,
let's just let the iraqis terrorize their woman and children, kill and torture hundreds each day, let's let them break international law and go against the UN, let's leave them to hatch more plans of terrorism and even encourage them to make some nuclear weapons, let's not stand up for the free world, sounds like a plan to me
it's not that their 'train of thought' is slightly different to ours, it's that it in many ways promotes oppression of tens of thousands of their own people AND encourages anti western sentiment that has and will in the future breed terrorism and attacks on our nations.
it's all very well to hate bush but get the facts right first, imagine what would have happened if he had back away from these terrorism issues and let unstable, unpredictable nations trample over the most developed culture/nation in the modern world.

Anonymous (September 26, 2004)

A BOAT TRIP IN IRAQ ON A REGULAR SUNDAY AFTERNOON

Today is a Sunny Day in Amsterdam. I wonder what it's like in Iraq today. Do you think that the sun can take away the war smog? I guess it eventually will but today I can't think of anybody in Iraq that would enjoy a boat trip like we would in Amsterdam on our canals. Unless you're name is GWB of course and you're cruising on a military boat doing some 'price shooting'.

Here's how it goes, a particular family with some friends on a regular Sunday afternoon in Iraq, enjoying a boat trip: (GWB) "Hey Dickie, look what I've got here. A 200 pound missile to blow that school away. What do you think?" (DC) "Well Sir, ehm ... I don't know. It's a school you know, there might be children in there." (GWB) "Ooh come one Dickie, they're all terrorists you know, and we need to get them before they get to us. Let's shoot the suns of bitches." You gonna help me or not, are you with me or against me?" (DC) "I'm with you Sir, you want me to give it to you while you're doing some killing?" (GWB) "Yeah Dickie, I remember why I made you come up here, you're the best" (KR) " Georgie, one sec" (GWB) "What's up Karl, you can trust Dickie" (DR) "You want me to taka a pause Karl?" (KR) "No you fool, I'll tell you when to stop." (continues advising) "No, it's not that sir. Your father wants to watch. He is not that vivid anymore you know. The Viagra is not yet working properly, so he wants you to wait a bit to get ready" (GWB) "Of course dad, no problem, do you want Arnold to give you a hand?" (GBS) "You're the best son, let's kill em" (KR) "Arnie, get over here, you've got work to do" (AS) "Yeah, ooh yeah" (GBS) "You're a wonderful kid Arnold, you know that? If I didn't have my son I would want you to step into my shoes"

Suddenly: BOOM BANG BANG, THE SCHOOL IS BLOWN AWAY.

(GWB) "Daddy daddy I got them. BOOM BANG (GWB) "look at those colours, isn't it beautiful?" (DC) "Aaaah ooooaaah" (GWB) "Don't stop now Dick or you'll never smile again" (GBS) "Aaaahoooee aaauuhhh oooo. You're really good Arnie, do you know that?" (KR) "This is good fun don't you think Laura?" (LB) "It certainly is Karl, do you think you can get me some more of those pills? I'm at the upper deck with somebody but I can't keep up with her you know, you wanna do that for me?" (KR) "Yes madam, coming up, we've got plenty. Hussein, get over here, now! Bring me that bag, the big yellow one and also the green one with the stamp 'Columbian's Finest' on it" (RG) "That's good, I want some too. Those girls like me. I wanna feel a bit more confident cause they're so young and I can't communicate with them" (LB) "Don't worry Rudy, we've all been there, go ahead, make yourself comfortable." (KR) "How's everybody doing? Are we having fun or what? Can I get you anything? It's purely natural you know. We've got all you want. We own that shit. Did you all see that? Did you see what Georgie did?"

Then a helicopter approaches the boat and everybody gets nervous when somebody steps out of it.

(OLB) "You don't owe a thing Karl, remember that! What did he do? Did he manage not to fuck up for once" (KR) "Yes Sir, he did, well, I believe he did." (OLB) "It's about time isn't it." (GWB) "I did it Sir, I bombed a school full of terrorists" (OLB) "Bugger off you lunatic, a school. Get off my boat and take your daughters with you before I really get mad. (GWB) "Yes Sir, Mr. President." (OLB) "I'll see you all Tuesday at 0900 sharp in my office. You'll meet with JFK. I've agreed to step back and he's going to take over the rudder in November.

Anonymous (September 25, 2004)

"It is our business, when we have another world war in the future, it is OUR business."

shut the hell up hoser!

Anonymous (September 20, 2004)

Before anyone on here begins to criticize this country (Canada), stop for one second and open up your eyes. Only state your opinion with reason. A whole lot of you haven't learned a speck of Canadian History or Canada in general, and it's most likely you know very little about your own country. It is our business, when we have another world war in the future, it is OUR business.

Anonymous (August 23, 2004)

"wow they really out did themselves on the cover art comparred to the last rock against bush. WOW ORANGE!"

just like that simpsons episode were malibu stacy has a new hat

smithers:i want it! i want it! i want it!

isn't that the one were homer is dancing on the key board bult into the floor? some one help me out

Anonymous (August 23, 2004)

"I say we put Danny Devito in office, he'll settle these conflicts in ways previous presidents couldn't...One visit with a baseball bat and we'll have ourselves a peace treaty."

are you serious? what the fuck are you smokin?

Anonymous (August 21, 2004)

All I have to say is this entire discussion is pointless. I've been a citizen of the US, Canada, and Poland over the last 18 years of my life. No matter where I go its the same thing, attack people with slightly different trains of thought. No matter where you are, no matter what point in time it is on the history of the Earth, there was always a government manipulating you. Thats what the government is, the business of controlling your thoughts, and a profitable one at that. It lets the rich get richer and makes the poor poorer, no matter what country your in, you might not realize it but your government is taking advantage of you, any human when given that much power is bound to abuse it. In the case of the United States presidency, its just trying to vote for the lesser evil. I say we put Danny Devito in office, he'll settle these conflicts in ways previous presidents couldn't...One visit with a baseball bat and we'll have ourselves a peace treaty.

Anonymous (August 18, 2004)

wow they really out did themselves on the cover art comparred to the last rock against bush. WOW ORANGE!

i only take political advice from people who spell sucks as "sux", so i guess this year i will just go ahead and vote NO......um...NO on prop 284...the one about widowers of war veterans....fuck...what was that from? simpsons?

anybody? i know it was one of those cartoons

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Anonymous (August 17, 2004)

Canadians don't do shit. They just sit there drinking thier beer and watching their Hockey games and say "a-BOOT" and "eh" a lot. Thier opinion is just about as useless as thier "army". There just a bunch of tree hugging hippies up there.

Anonymous (August 17, 2004)

"WE LIVE IN CANADA AND 75% of OUR POPULATION IS AGAINST BUSH OR HIS REPUBLICAN COMPANY, ARE WE JUST IGNORANT NEIGHBOURS?"

"why...yes. yes you are"

haha! good one! canada keep ur noses out of our bussiness. and it's not republican company it's republican party you shit head!

Anonymous (August 17, 2004)

"Actually john kerry, if you would have read the print a little better you'd notice that i said i was canadian, and if you dont know what fucking canadian means, i'll make it a little clearer, I LIVE IN CANADA. and ill tell you something, we do a hell of a lot more for other countries than your country does, and a hell of alot more is given away freely. And if you think that any country that doesen't start wars for "weapons of mass distruction" that don't even exist but take their oil instead is a hippy country then maybe we fucking are but id rather my government be a hippy then a fucking theif. dont try and tell me that it wasen't the reason for the invasion of iraq. YOU LIVE IN THE US DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE EVERYTHING THE COUNTRY'S MEDIA IS NOT SENCORED OR BIAS? WHO OWNS THE NEWSPAPERS MY DEAR? think about that one john. WHILE YOUR AT IT IF YOUR SO PRO-WAR THEN WHY DON"T YOU GO JOIN THE ARMY? OH AND BY THE WAY, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE WEAPONS KILLING AMERICANS IN IRAQ WHERE ACTUALLY GIVEN TO THEM BY AMERICANS? obviously i love the People of America i just dont believe in their government. Actually i hate their government. Hey and G.W.Bush JR. aint the only one making decisions."

Shut up about the war in iraq. u don't know anything! r u aware of what a dumbass u sound like? and we don't call him G.W.BushJR. he's called idiot son of an asshole. and it's nt true about how we gave them weapons of mass destruction. those are just old weapons form our first fucked up war w/them. and do u even know who john kerry is? you sound like a stupid hoser from canada...WAIT U R

Anonymous (August 17, 2004)

"Actually john kerry, if you would have read the print a little better you'd notice that i said i was canadian, and if you dont know what fucking canadian means, i'll make it a little clearer, I LIVE IN CANADA. and ill tell you something, we do a hell of a lot more for other countries than your country does, and a hell of alot more is given away freely. And if you think that any country that doesen't start wars for "weapons of mass distruction" that don't even exist but take their oil instead is a hippy country then maybe we fucking are but id rather my government be a hippy then a fucking theif. dont try and tell me that it wasen't the reason for the invasion of iraq. YOU LIVE IN THE US DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE EVERYTHING THE COUNTRY'S MEDIA IS NOT SENCORED OR BIAS? WHO OWNS THE NEWSPAPERS MY DEAR? think about that one john. WHILE YOUR AT IT IF YOUR SO PRO-WAR THEN WHY DON"T YOU GO JOIN THE ARMY? OH AND BY THE WAY, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE WEAPONS KILLING AMERICANS IN IRAQ WHERE ACTUALLY GIVEN TO THEM BY AMERICANS? obviously i love the People of America i just dont believe in their government. Actually i hate their government. Hey and G.W.Bush JR. aint the only one making decisions."

you danm canadians don't do sht 4 any one except poloute the world with ur crappy as "musicians" avril, simple plan, keeny g, celin(god i hate that bitch for singning god bless america when she's a stupid hoser) can all rot in hell, EH! you hate our government but u have no danm right cause u don't even live here! i live here and i can say anything about bush i want but u don't even know what it's to have this moron as a "president" so shut the hell up about our skrewd up government. god u canadians are good at being something ur not. cough avril cough

Anonymous (August 17, 2004)

No more presidents! VOTE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!
the government sux! it's a huge scam. it's a joke. did any body see who was running for governer in california? did u see who won? he hasn't even helped california yet. come on crank the pennywise "f athority" and screw punk voter and vote no dammit! who the hell is with me?

Anonymous (August 17, 2004)

I wish musicians would shut up about the election, we all know florida is gonna rig it again. sure bush is an "idiot son of an asshole" but over the last 4 years he's said some pretty funny things. they have a daily callendar about it. he did screw up the country but john kerry has the gayest most borin ass speaches ever."things need to change" HUH? NO!!!wow howmany hours did it take you to think up that? any way ya think about were skrewd

Anonymous (August 17, 2004)

punks were never "artists" jackass. thats what they want you to think now. they want to try and make people now think that the movement then was respectabe. but fuck that. they werent artists. they were tired of long songs and wanted to do a little bit of fucking.

john kerry

Anonymous (August 16, 2004)

"So if you fucking buy this CD, ur not doing shit except basically just giving ur money to some greedy rich white guy"

Fat Mike owns Fat Wreck, the label this is released on, so if any profits are to be made, it's by him. I'm sure the artists on this CD don't feel like they are being exploited to make money for Fat Mike, that just wouldnt make sense. And if I recall correctly Mike decided to start the punkvoter/rock against bush tour with money from his own pocket. It makes me sick that somebody tries to do something good and people attack him. Spreading awareness is better than doing absolutely fucking nothing.

On a side note, if bands like guttermouth think they're so "punk" or act like it their music sure doesn't reflect it. I'm sure songs like "Pee in the Shower", "Cram it Up Your Ass" and "Hotdog to The Head" have deep artistic meaning... fuck punks used to be artists... now the whole scene is non-existent.

Anonymous (August 16, 2004)

does he make people calll him fat mike , like the miestro (spelling?)

Anonymous (August 16, 2004)

lets here it for us rich white guys. i mean come on..would you really want someone like the guy below me running the government or putting his two cents in? fuck that. he sounds like a moron who would be worse than bush.

Im an Atheist by now when it comes to what political party I'm for. I don't believe in any of this political shit because the system doesn't work. The government is run by rich, old, greedy white guys. "we" the people doesn't exist anymore, its only "they", the rich, powerful, greedy white guys. So these bands can bitch and complain all they want, but its just another bullcrap excuse to produce another record to make money off of.

So if you fucking buy this CD, ur not doing shit except basically just giving ur money to some greedy rich white guy, and then listening to the CD is just hearing about how much the government sucks and......thats it...It sucks.....Yessss...and tell me something I dont know?! Kill the Government? We dont control the government, the government controls the government and it also controls the people. Killing the government would only happen if the Government decided to commit suicide.

Anonymous (August 16, 2004)

"Where have you seen Mike endorse Kerry? I can answer that: You haven't. Ever."

We've seen him say "fuck Bush" and "don't vote Green or Lib" and "I like democrates". Fuck him.

-BSD"

I think Toby that works at Fat knows Fat Mike a little better than you do.

Anonymous (August 16, 2004)

Who the Fuck is Yellowcard? I bet $100 that who/whatever the fuck a Yellowcard is, it can be purchased at Hot Topic.

Goddamnit, people need to start asking my permission to get popular. If everyone followed that simple rule, shit like Vin Diesel would have never happened.

-Ken

Anonymous (August 15, 2004)

I find it a bit funny that some Canadians will bash Fox News, yet they don't even carry it or have satellite that would enable them to watch it. Then will go off and watch a movie like "Outfoxed" and say how evil the station is.

Not pointing to any person here, just something I've noticed in the last couple years.

In reality, they are no differant than the BBC or CNN. They, like any other news station, has an agenda and will push it. Their's just happens to lean to the right rather than the left.

Anonymous (August 15, 2004)

its not a republican news channel, but yes it does host a couple republican shows. the actuall news is more on than all of the other networks.

Anonymous (August 15, 2004)

Ever heard of Media Control? Media Carta?

If theres one thing the world doesn't need its a republican news channel.

So paying attention to your government's foreign policy and American media makes me ignorant? so be it.

Anonymous (August 15, 2004)

"Very intelligent response I must say... how are we ignorant?"

because you keep responding to people like me you clueless canuck.

plus, get over it, foxnews leans slightly to the right, the rest of the media leans completely to the left. i'm sorry republicans have one station to express their views and that offends you so much. go tune into cnn nbc or whatever and hear them all complain about it.

Anonymous (August 15, 2004)

Canada, they won't even carry the foxnews channel

you guys are the brainwashed.

Anonymous (August 15, 2004)

Very intelligent response I must say... how are we ignorant?

Anonymous (August 15, 2004)

"WE LIVE IN CANADA AND 75% of OUR POPULATION IS AGAINST BUSH OR HIS REPUBLICAN COMPANY, ARE WE JUST IGNORANT NEIGHBOURS?"

why...yes. yes you are

Anonymous (August 15, 2004)

I would like to know what they teach you Americans in high school social studies and history classes.
The pledge of allegience makes me sick to my stomach.

Anonymous (August 15, 2004)

"republicans are more truthful in general" GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS

"Nice tirade, but Clintion News Network is not fair and balanced.

Try Foxnews for some real coverage.

Vote Bush" LEARN TO SPELL

"being gay is for fags, so quit being such a queermo" GROW UP

"I think Bush is more of a punk than the person who commented below

He sticks to his convictions

He doesn't give into the traitors/corrupted UN.

He cares about keeping America and it's values safe.

And before all you people start with you rthetoric Kerry posts, do you seriously think Kerry will do anything for the war on terror? You wear you silly Anti-swastika's, but you don't give a shit at stopping Islamic Facism.

Yes let's stop being PC, we are at war with Islamic Facism.
Maybe 50 years from now if punk music is still around, kids will remeber Bush as a great liberator, the way we see FDR.

Vote Bush" YOU'RE FUCKING BRAINWASHED

POSSIBLY SOME OF THE WORST COMMENTS I HAVE EVER HEARD IN MY LIFE

WE LIVE IN CANADA AND 75% of OUR POPULATION IS AGAINST BUSH OR HIS REPUBLICAN COMPANY, ARE WE JUST IGNORANT NEIGHBOURS?

Anonymous (August 15, 2004)

Does Edwards strike anyone else as an ex-car salesman?

I mean...elastic grin, assuring look, new suit. The guy looks like he wants you to buy a BMW, not vote for him.

Anonymous (August 15, 2004)

"Conan, I think, is a republican. He has republicans on his show all the time and is friendly with them, then treats Michael Moore like shit. Besides that, these talk shows are being pressured to be as apolitical as possible. "

no, Conan by far has more left of center people on the show. Al Franken is a staple as is Darrel Hammond (sp?), both very liberal, he also has some people from NPR on the show a lot, and i never saw when michael moore was on the show, but conan did a mock fahrenheit 9/11 bit which micheal moore participated in. from watching late night over the past 4 or 5 years, i can honestly say i seriously doubt conan is a conservative.

Anonymous (August 15, 2004)

I'd like to note that 95% of the people on this site come here for Yellowcard updates, so I'm sorry if I was mistaken.

yeah bsd, no where does his post even imply that the sex pistols were still together in 84. it was just one of those, "i'm more punk than you cause i knew the sex pistols before you" posts that he was making fun of.

- jones the bones

Anonymous (August 14, 2004)

IRONY - A literary style employing such contrasts for humorous or rhetorical effect.

I was using irony and satirical comedy to describe my comment about the sex pistols being around in 1984. i would point out the fact that nearly 90% of us were not even a twinkle in our parents eye then (1976). That being said, i will leave you to the mind boggling task of defining satire and or wit.

Anonymous (August 14, 2004)

Yo, I'd give Fat Mike head for a copy of this. And I don't even like NOFX that much anymore. Just 'cause he can't quote Choamsky out his anus and has a weird voice and beer belly doesn't mean his opinion is uninformed.

"you just said that basiclly everyone on this posting was an idiot because their not open minded, how are they not open minded?"

hahahahahahaha...youre making this hard for me to restrain from calling you an idiot. jk. but i never said idiot or stupid or anything to deny someones intelligence in that post you are talking about. geeze. dont put words into my mouth. most people here are close minded when it comes to religion. they here "christian" they think super republican intolerant racist. same with the word "republican"

haha...i'm not even that far to the right. anyway, i am very tolerant. i am more tolerant than anyone on this board i think. everyone here is pretty closed minded when it comes to religion and politics.

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Anonymous (August 14, 2004)

Steve Jones, you're an idiot. People want to be punks so they have a social scene to be part of and have reasons to actually wake up in the morning. I mean, maybe hanging out with your friends isn't as cool as being a rightwing bigot on music message boards, I don't know, I've never lived like that.

i am from canada and it is a democracy-completely separate from the English the only thing conected to the democratic-monarchy....notice there's democratic in there....is that the queen chooses a governor general. whos name goes on a seal. we are also celibrating democracy. Haven't you studied the French and English Revolutions and not just the American Revolution?

Anonymous (August 14, 2004)

This score is for the greedy rats that take advantage of our society and the freedoms we have and take for granted everyday. It's also for the people on this message board who don't value or respect others opinions on this message board. (I.E. - "the poster below sucks, i fucked said poster's mother, or "I am the ultimate definition of punk because I knew who the sex pistols were back in '84, therefore, said poster below's opinion is worthless and he is not punk, " and the definitive "FUCK YOU"

Anonymous (August 14, 2004)

There are some really solid tracks on this cd, and just because they don't support bush doesn't mean you shouldn't like them. I myself don't agree with their cause, so i won't purchase the album, but the cd itself is pretty alright.

Now to the moot point of how ridiculous all of us American people are.

- None of us really cared that Saddam Hussein killed 1.5 million Iraqis during his tenure as president of Iraq. That is over 1500 times more than the amount of americans that have died in Iraq. There is the rampant problem of AIDS, mass famine, civil war, and no right to personal or religious freedom all over the rest of the world and we are worried about securing medicare for all of us.

- In the USA, there are nearly 18,000 deaths a year because of drunk driving, nearly 27,000 americans have died since the war began, how come no one is bringing up a tougher policy on the legal alchohol limit.

- The jail time for a second degree murder (unpremeditated) is only 17 years. That means that a muderer can walk the streets after a measly 8 years. Over 40% of murderers who are released from jail become repeat offenders of a vicious felony (rape, murder, arson, attempted murder). What about a stronger policy on capital punishment.

- To whoever posted that other countries are following in our 200 year reign of democracy, no their not, their democracy my be formed like ours, but it is more a communist regime, or the ruler of a king or prince. i.e. - China, cuba, Sudan, (former) Iraq, Egypt, and Korea to name a few.

- How come everyone complains about outsourcing. The problem is we only care about us. Who cares if someone in india has 8 children, 3 of which starve to death because their parents, both with doctorate degrees (and smarter than 80% of US citizens) can't even get a part time job in a factory.

- Not many will agree with me here at all, but i believe this with my heart. Has anyone seen a partial birth abortion. As the babies head crests through the cervix, a tool similar to a meat thermometer (with a sharper end) is jammed through the skull of the child, the brain is sucked out through the tube like a straw. The skull of the dead fetus is crushed so the head will ease through the cervix with no problem, the dead fetus is then disgarded into a "biohazard" trash bin. That is WRONG AND DISGUSTING. Even if you agree with a women's right to choose, the partial birth abortion rule needs to stay intact.
Here is a point to exemplify why government is torn on this (dems and reps) - Laci peterson - 7 months pregnant - murdered - husband is charged with 2 counts of homicide (mother and unborn). understandable as to the 2 counts. (partial birth only begins at 6 months)
Lori Hacking - 5 WEEKS pregnant- if police find her body- her husband will be charged with 2 counts of murder. How is it that democrats believe it is murder to a baby at 5 WEEKS but do not believe it is a baby AT 8 MONTHS. confuses me.

vote your heart. These candidates are touting health care reform, education increases, tax cuts and welfare reform. The same things since '82 when reagan was voted in. NO ONE HAS CHANGED ANYTHING SO WHY BELIEVE OUR NEXT PRESIDENT (whoever that may be) WILL

Actually john kerry, if you would have read the print a little better you'd notice that i said i was canadian, and if you dont know what fucking canadian means, i'll make it a little clearer, I LIVE IN CANADA. and ill tell you something, we do a hell of a lot more for other countries than your country does, and a hell of alot more is given away freely. And if you think that any country that doesen't start wars for "weapons of mass distruction" that don't even exist but take their oil instead is a hippy country then maybe we fucking are but id rather my government be a hippy then a fucking theif. dont try and tell me that it wasen't the reason for the invasion of iraq. YOU LIVE IN THE US DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE EVERYTHING THE COUNTRY'S MEDIA IS NOT SENCORED OR BIAS? WHO OWNS THE NEWSPAPERS MY DEAR? think about that one john. WHILE YOUR AT IT IF YOUR SO PRO-WAR THEN WHY DON"T YOU GO JOIN THE ARMY? OH AND BY THE WAY, ARE YOU AWARE THAT THE WEAPONS KILLING AMERICANS IN IRAQ WHERE ACTUALLY GIVEN TO THEM BY AMERICANS? obviously i love the People of America i just dont believe in their government. Actually i hate their government. Hey and G.W.Bush JR. aint the only one making decisions.

Anonymous (August 14, 2004)

"maybe we could afford medicare if we didnt have to give the rest of the world free handouts. also, they werent able to tear our world apart. also, did you realize that the united staes is much much much much much much much much much much much much larger than your country? things get a little more complicated then when trying to have free medicare. especially with the democrats trying to give everything else away for free and all the people trying to move into the US. what country are you from? i'm sure i would rather live here than have medicare in a socialist fuckin hippy community. People. i am not the answer, i am part of the problem

"he loves COCK but he hates homosexuals" is the line fat mike said on Conan, taken from the latest version of idiot son of an asshole and put into the break in franco unamerican

Anonymous (August 14, 2004)

oh. we arent the richest country in the world...i think luxemburg maybe, one of the euro countries is...but they are tiny

- john kerry

Anonymous (August 14, 2004)

maybe we could afford medicare if we didnt have to give the rest of the world free handouts. also, they werent able to tear our world apart. also, did you realize that the united staes is much much much much much much much much much much much much larger than your country? things get a little more complicated then when trying to have free medicare. especially with the democrats trying to give everything else away for free and all the people trying to move into the US. what country are you from? i'm sure i would rather live here than have medicare in a socialist fuckin hippy community. People. i am not the answer, i am part of the problem

do you really want to hear something crazy? Your the richest country in the world and you cant even give your people medicare. did you everthink that 911 was making a point to the government of the United States? Maybe it was to prove to you guys that people don't need weapons of mass distruction to tare your world apart. the weapons of mass distrution are mostly all in your country anyhow. and those who had weapons of mass distruction, your country gave it to them. but they don't need your help all they need is a few people to fly planes on a suicide mission. I'm fucking proud to be a Canadian. I hate my government and all it's allies for not stoping Bush in Iraq of anyother small war he's caused. "hey guys lets let bush take all the oil, give him a little more change in his pocket" and to the media, the war in iraq isen't the biggest thing going on in the world. What about the aids epidenmic in Africa where 1 in 5 people are infected because the pope has managed to warp their minds into thinking its a sin and they will go to hell and its useless anyhow. what about the HOlicost type thing going on in sudan and because the US is at war its able to go on unnoticed? Iraq is not the biggest thing going on in the world.but u probably dont know this and neither does anyone else. Think about it, in africa someone dies everycouple minutes. in Iraq someone days maybe once a week. do the math. what's more important.

Um, this should be old fuckin news by now, but Conservatives will never be punk.

-Ken

Anonymous (August 14, 2004)

" This issue is something we're going to spend our entire lives dealing with if nothing is done now.... Military personnel risk their lives every day so we can live comfortably in this country and have the freedom to bitch about things like politics"

it is not a choice of "war on terror" or doing nothing.

Massive displays of American military might in Muslim countries - which is largely the motivation for recruiting terrorists- is unlikely to reduce terrorism.

as for military personnel protecting freedom of speech. i dont think so. s'all i can say without ranting.

Anonymous (August 13, 2004)

this score is for the lawrence arms, if they have ever written a bad song, i am yet to hear it

Anonymous (August 13, 2004)

"whose penis would become president? the longest or the thickest ? or overall volume?"

The longest, thickest penis is in your ass.

Anonymous (August 13, 2004)

no - I'm a 45 year old balding man who gets off posting in message boards

whose penis would become president? the longest or the thickest ? or overall volume?

- jones the bones

- stevejones878770@lnfdckj;bndasvkj;nbd

Anonymous (August 13, 2004)

I plan on writing in "my penis" for president instead of voting for anyone else listed on the ballet - wouldn't that be awesome if a whole bunch of people wrote in "my penis" for president and "my penis" won

bsd is just jealous cause he's not old enough to vote. its ok buddy. in four years there will be another presidential election you can vote for.

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Anonymous (August 13, 2004)

Really, you're all cowardly little cunts.

Voting doesn't matter because neither president is any good. Kill yourselves, you blind fucks.

-BSD

Anonymous (August 13, 2004)

Based on the way most of you write, I automatically feel inclined to ignore your opinions. I'm not saying most of you are dumb. Instead, I'm saying most of you are seemingly uneducated in some of the basic necessities of living normally. When I read "fuck bush that faggit fuck sux his moms kunt, their is know way im voting 4him," you've done a lot to convey your opinions. Oh wait.
I had two uncles in the World Trade Center on 9/11. I don't need you kids to tell me that Bush is a war monger. I would rather our country be militarily active in preempting future attacks than to have Kerry end the war on terror. This issue is something we're going to spend our entire lives dealing with if nothing is done now.
One more thing... Military personnel risk their lives every day so we can live comfortably in this country and have the freedom to bitch about things like politics. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not only uneducated, but just plain stupid.

Oh yeah, and about punk rock values you spoke of, I dont know how old you are, but I've been listning and going to punk shows for about 20 years now, and it used to be about getting fucked up and breaking shit. Not "who you gonna vote for", or save the fucking seals or some stupid shit like that.

I joined to come fight this war, unlike you, who apparently couldn't get a civilian job or something. You are not in the same boat as me. Apparently it was my country not yours attacked.

I still don't see how being a conservetive makes anyone less punk than a liberal. That makes no sence.

I thought this was a punk rock review and news site, but It's turning out to be more of a pro-Kerry site. Disgusting how the to are blended here.

Anonymous (August 13, 2004)

to the guy below me, look man...I'm in the same boat you are and no dude, you don't risk your life for this country, you risk your life for your job. If you don't do your job, you go to jail so you really don't have much of a choice.
Second, I think what the person said below was a comment made from outrage that people are getting so jaded by the anti-bush movement that they would actually be for Bush now and that's ROTTEN. Look man, I'm not saying that places in the middle east didn't need to be dealt with it's just that damn! This is WAYYY too much. I don't know how to even define punk music, I guess you could generalize and say it's three chords and fast. But there used to be certain values behind it and I doubt that any of those values included Bush's so if you want to get right down to it there Jarry Mc Jarhead, YOU ARE NOT PUNK ROCK.

Anonymous (August 13, 2004)

"So if an American industry is making money, then we should outsource to cut they're profits?"

When that industry has been fucking the American polulation for as long as it has, as bad as prescription drug companys have. Yes, fuck them back if the chance presents itself. The only place you can hurt them is in the pockets. They have gauged the easiest victims for years, the sick, & elderly . Sure, thousands may lose jobs, and I'm not making light of that. Most of them will find other jobs. But millions of Americans would be able to afford medicines they need to live.

I,m in Iraq right now, so I haven't heard this album. I just wanted to comment on all this political talk. First, no one should need some musician or actor to tell them their opinion, wich seems to be to much the case.

And that comment about "if you vote bush you aren't punk", wow, by far the dumbest most uninformred comment I've heard in along time. You telling me you have to be a tree huggin liberal to be a punker? I'm not going t specify my political preference, but both sides should be offended by that. I risk my ass everyday for this country and don't need some teenie bopper telling me I'm not punk because I'm on this side of the fence. Try making a difference instead of talking. Thats punk.

ok. if you think molesting an overweight 65 year old woman is clever. haha..my mom is probably pretty happy to have gotten a young piece of ass. score . and uh, how desperate are you to go for someone like my mom anyway?

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Anonymous (August 13, 2004)

"kerry looks like a down syndrome child molester. i think him and grey davis molest little boys and john edwards together"

haha...a dude said bush was ugly...as if kerry was good looking. kerry looks like a down syndrome child molester. i think him and grey davis molest little boys and john edwards together

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Anonymous (August 13, 2004)

I think Bush is more of a punk than the person who commented below

He sticks to his convictions

He doesn't give into the traitors/corrupted UN.

He cares about keeping America and it's values safe.

And before all you people start with you rthetoric Kerry posts, do you seriously think Kerry will do anything for the war on terror? You wear you silly Anti-swastika's, but you don't give a shit at stopping Islamic Facism.

Yes let's stop being PC, we are at war with Islamic Facism.
Maybe 50 years from now if punk music is still around, kids will remeber Bush as a great liberator, the way we see FDR.

Vote Bush

Anonymous (August 13, 2004)

dude, what the fuck? I can't believe you would even want to question this election, who cares if Kerry is so so...Bush is responsible for so much bullshit. Not to mention he's ugly. DO you wnat that guy representing YOU? I'm going out on a limb here and I'm just going to say it.

IF YOU VOTE BUSH, YOU ARE NOT PUNK ROCK.
IF YOU ARE A SUPPORTER OF BUSH AND HIS IDEALS YOU ARE WRONG AND YOU SUCK. EAT IT SUCKA EAT IT.

what the fuck does this mean. so if an american industry makes money, then we should outsource to cut there proffits? what the fuck are you saying.

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Anonymous (August 13, 2004)

" I'm still voting for Bush. Screw Iraq... their own government will kick our troops out soon enough. I would rather have a president who supports my views back home. And yes, I am religious"

do i laugh or cry at this?

Anonymous (August 13, 2004)

You dudes should all do yourselves a favour and head to Australia for a holiday. It'll open your minds to the wonderous ways that people can live harmoniously together in society without all the fear and hatred that your country seems to love spreading.

Anonymous (August 13, 2004)

KERRY: â??George, I said at the time I would have preferred if we had given diplomacy a greater opportunity, but I think it was the right decision to disarm Saddam Hussein, and when the President made the decision, I supported him.."

How on earth can you get off as saying that Kerry supports the middle class? If anything Kerry "supports" the lower class. However, I would contest that he, or any other president (aside from maybe FDR during the depression) cares about the poor in America. There have always been programs from both sides that attempt to throw lifejackets to those who need the help, yet so often it is ignored. Then people complain about those who abuse it.

On the issue of business... It's funny how Kerry wants to save Americans from outsourcing, yet he wants to import prescription drugs from Canada for cheaper costs. I'm sure that helps companies like Pfizer right?

Both sides are hypocritical; both are better candidtates than Al Gore; neither is worthy of being president.

However, I'm still voting for Bush. Screw Iraq... their own government will kick our troops out soon enough. I would rather have a president who supports my views back home. And yes, I am religious, and hold to the beliefs of my religion. Its funny how you can be open minded about everything until the name of Christ comes up.... gg punks.

The Green Day song is awesome, so is the Larry Arms song. The Lagwagon song is really cool. Will Ferrel is one funny dude. And it was nice to see the little paragraph that Blake from Jawbreaker wrote in the liner note. Does anyone know what's going on with that guy, or Jets To Brazil for that matter? I know I'm not the only one hoping for a Jawbreaker reunion...

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

Nice tirade, but Clintion News Network is not fair and balanced.

Try Foxnews for some real coverage.

Vote Bush

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

only about three of you motherfuckers no what you're talking about when it comes down to politics. 99.5 percent of the time you idiots go on rants that you don't know shit about especially jones the bones and bsd, I hate bitching, but watch some CNN or NBC before you guys go on your next ignorant rant. This goes out to everybody, stop listening to everything fat mike says go out for yourself and find the information out on the two candidates and pick the one that best suits your beliefs and your way of life whether it be Bush or Kerry. I was at a local show around where I live the other day and this band which was made up of young kids about 16 years old and three of them were wearing NOFXFAT WRECK CHORDS shirts started talking about how Bush had no idea what he's doing and that everybody should vote against him which led me to believe these kids had not the slightest idea what they were talking about. So to all you ignorant kids, next time you're about to go on one of those ramblings, think to yourself is what I'm about to say a load of bullshit.

try me motherfuckers i just did a report on these fuckers for my creative writing class. please i want you to

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

"and deporate those illegal bastards, they are the ones stealing jobs"

oh yeah, they're taking so many jobs away! the majority of the jobs those people have are low level income jobs that no one really wants anyway.

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

except that kerry isnt for the middle class and is against buisness of all kinds.

Dude, stop talking out of your ass. The above comment is pure BULLSHIT.

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

No offense here, and I may be missing something, if your name isn't steve, then why do you have an email address with the name "steve" in it?

except that kerry isnt for the middle class and is against buisness of all kinds. kiss your ass goodbye if you are a small buisness owner. and to that other dude, get a clue about this shit. call me jones the bones, my names not steve

- jones the bones

- stevejones8770@yahoo.com

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

I've got friends who are coke heads, I hope they don't "find god" and become president, THAT would be fucking scary.

wow steve jones, you're a fucking moron. everyone fucking hates you and your increasingly stupid posts. go back and post on absolutepunk full time you unoriginal piece of shit.

to the guy below, do you hate blacks. i know you just wanted to get a rise, but coming from someone hispanic, that doesn't bother us anymore. anyway, off to eat bean and cheese tacos cause that's all my abuela and abuelo can afford. then lemme hop in my pinto and cruise the streets ese.

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

I am displeased with Bush and Kerry

both ignore the issue of getting rid of the spics in our country.

Fuck Bush, he wants those mexicans for more illegal votes.

Fuck Kerry, he is a flipflopping, indescive liar.

It's time to close the border.

and deporate those illegal bastards, they are the ones stealing jobs.

I guess i'll vote Nader

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

"Just one quick correction for the poster below: Fat Mike doesn't, and never has, endorsed John Kerry. In fact, campaign laws restrict Punk Voter from advocating a Presidential candidate. Where have you seen Mike endorse Kerry? I can answer that: You haven't. Ever."
In a race where there is two people running slandering one is BASICALLY endorsing the other.

Yeah sure, how about all the kids out there who didn't give a shit about politics until seeing Fahrenheit 9/11 and then it's all "omfg whut dubya is fag0t lolol cuz moore fucking OWNED him, lol."

Jesus Christ, propaganda is propaganda, and too many people are now convinced that anti-patriotism is the cool thing to do. I'm not Pro-Bush at all, in fact I think he's quite stupid - but then again, every president has faltered at some point....... and I still stand by the idea that I'd rather have Bush as president than Al and Tipper running the country.

-Pirate

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

i would vote for kerry if he could play 'memphis will be laid to waste' on his acoustic

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

i wonder is bush/cheney would endorse a cd with christian hardcore bands on it.
norma jean supports the war on terror.

you get dumber from reading three sentences on the internet you were a moron in the first place. anyway, it was "gay"what i said. someone yell at him, you all like to do that dont you? pretending to throw a medal away for publicity, but actually keeping it is more shady than doing coke

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

"we are all dumber for having read that"

haha, thats what i thought when i read it, well said

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

steve jones, you are a moron.

a guy that pretends to throw away his purple heart and tells people he did, then reveals recently that he never implied to be throwing his medals away, only the Ribbons and other vets medals who couldnt make it does not deserve a fuckin purple heart. what a bitch. you either throw it away in protest like so many others did, or you dont . you dont just throw away the fucking ribbons.

that single handedly was the gayest thing ever posted on this site. you know nothing about anything. we are all dumber for having read that. i award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

"a guy that pretends to throw away his purple heart and tells people he did, then reveals recently that he never implied to be throwing his medals away, only the Ribbons and other vets medals who couldnt make it does not deserve a fuckin purple heart. what a bitch. you either throw it away in protest like so many others did, or you dont . you dont just throw away the fucking ribbons. "

shut the fuck up. Like you have any idea what Nam was like or what sort of decisions its Vets have made. Maybe he did throw them away at one point. Maybe he changed his mind. maybe he wanted to. All I know is that war fucked guys up pretty bad, and frankly, its none of my business what they do with their honors and has nothing to do with how a man will run our country. Bush is a former alchoholic coke head, but i guess throwing away/not throwing away a purple heart is more important of an issue when assessing a candidates capability. you're an idiot.

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

Good review...although you failed to mention the amazing unreleased track by Dillinger Four.

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

No democracy does work.

It only fails when you choose not to participate in it or don't have any faith in it.

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

So basically you all want George Bush, a war monger with no experience, over Kerry, a war vet who was an anti-war activist. You need to kill yourselves... Seriously, democracy does not work, I hope you all realize that some day.

-BSD

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

Attention useless lazy ignorant american fucks: How many of you who claim that this is the greatest country in the world have ever lived outside of the US? How many languages do you speak? What kind of cultural knowledge do you possess that makes you so fucking sure America has it correct?

a guy that pretends to throw away his purple heart and tells people he did, then reveals recently that he never implied to be throwing his medals away, only the Ribbons and other vets medals who couldnt make it does not deserve a fuckin purple heart. what a bitch. you either throw it away in protest like so many others did, or you dont . you dont just throw away the fucking ribbons.

no shit...you had to have done soemthing to get a purple heart...you cant just steal that shit.

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

"who would probably just exaggerate about being blown out of the water for a Purple Heart."

at least he volutarlily served in Nam. he saw combat. Bush hung out in Texas, fucked up physicals because of drug use and flew planes that werent going to be used in the war. But go ahead and make fun of kerry for putting his life on the line for the country.

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

"Get the fuck out then, bitch. "

typical ugly american response. Yea complaining makes me unamerican and instead of hearing me out, or voiceing my opinion i should just leave right? whats more american than dissent?

"Fuck all of you anti American bastards. I'm getting sick of all this America trashing. " how did I bash america? I'm not unamerican. i just think our policies and attitude towards the world are shitty right now. I think we have a great history, and I love our music and I'm very proud of what my grandfathers did in WWII. don't assume im anti-american becuase i dont' think everything is roses right now fucker. I'm 24. maybe once your out of highschool you wont' blindly accept things anymroe.

"All of your hatred for the President could be made into a positive vibe, and could be used for good. Go do work for the needy instead of bitching about the President."

All right fuck you. I work in a Methadone clinic as a substance abuse counselor for heroin addicts. I also give blood reguarly and voluteer in soup kitchens. probably much more than you or most of the other people on this site do for society. And I'll bitch about the president, just like the needy that i help do, since they get fucked the most by his policies.

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

unfortunately, it's ok to complain about a country that gives you the freedom to complain. blow it out your ass you fucking moron.

/

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

'I'd like to visit austrailia someday. america is very cocky and stupid. were the dumb jock of the world. We kick everyones ass, get the glory and chicks, but everyone else normal hates us. we call them pussies (france, canada).'

Get the fuck out then, bitch.

Fuck all of you anti American bastards. I'm getting sick of all this America trashing.

All of your hatred for the President could be made into a positive vibe, and could be used for good. Go do work for the needy instead of bitching about the President.

since the world is fucked no matter what anybody votes, just get out there and do what you want.

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

Horrible lineup on this CD.

Bush isn't perfect, but he blows Kerry out of the water...who would probably just exaggerate about being blown out of the water for a Purple Heart.

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

A better album would be one with a bunch of ridiculously abstract/violent/chaotic bands with a cover depictng George Bush being beheaded. Now THAT would get some attention and cause a stir of interest....plus it would be fucking cool lol.

Not that I'm any fan of the guy, but I think Bush is far more fundamentalist than Cheney. Cheney hasn't exactly condemned his daughter to hell (she's a lesbian) or been anywhere near as supportive of the gay marraige amendment beyond the minimum required of a VP.

Cheney may be (to quote Maureen Dowd on the Daily Show) "barking mad" but it seems like he prays to Plutus, and I doubt he places any power higher.

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

isnt fat mike libertarian? i thought thats what 'the plan' was about. he doesnt openly support kerry, he openly oposes bush. that doesnt make him a kerry vote, although i'm sure thats what he's planning

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

I agree w/ the austrailian dude. America is fucked. I am 24 and voted in the last election, when I was 20 (for gore) and will vote this time. i know alot of people who 'don't care' 'don't know enough' or 'have other shit to do' so they don't vote. Its really annoying.

I'd like to visit austrailia someday. america is very cocky and stupid. were the dumb jock of the world. We kick everyones ass, get the glory and chicks, but everyone else normal hates us. we call them pussies (france, canada).

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

Australians are fucked because the Kangaroos are coming...

Coming to take over...

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

hahaha...there were like 2 sentances relating to the music on the cd.

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

Yeh not voting is fucked. I know that all you americans think that you guys have the right to vote or not to vote, but frankly, I think that's fucked. Why do you think you guys have had so many shit president's in the past? Because only 40% of you vote! and the 40% that do are always "well-meaning" upper class republicans who, despite what the entire left wing says, are the only ones who actually participate in the political system officially. If all the poor, ethnics living in the slums vote for Nader or even Kerry, the political system would be ten times better and you would all be better off, and the only thing you would be worrying about is the upcoming Free Trade Agreement with Australia (which is the major issue in Australian politics at the moment, as well as the war in Iraq), and although it is possibly too late to save your country now, it would still be a great help. You see, in Australia, voting is compulsory and every election around 98% of the population votes. It is seriously the only way to get a TRUE representation of the population in government, and as soon as every one of you Americans gets the fuck over your "rights" and "liberties" this whole world will be a much better place to live.

Guns. They are fucked. But all you guys fucking want one for "protection". If there were no guns in America, you wouldn't need protection. There are virtually no guns in Australia. The only people who have them are the police and farmers. Seriously NO ONE has a gun in Australia. And of the people who do, none of them have automatic or semi automatic weapons. You know why? Because they are illegal here. Everyone had to give their guns back to the Government about 5 years ago after a massacre in a coastal town in Tasmania took the lives of 35 people.

And that's why americans are fucked.

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

You people are sad. This album may be weak, and the whole Michael Moore thing may have become trendy bullshit....but it changes nothing. Whether or not you like the fact that pop culture is embracing this is irrelevent. The fact is that Dick Cheney is right wing fanatical Christian zealot who, if he had his way, would see the entire world FORCED into hardcore Christian law. George Bush is a complete idiot, but he's too stupid to really pose any threat....he's what Mickey Mouse is to Disney....the real threat comes from those behind him. The religious right and other such organizations. The facts are that this adminstration wants to make having an abortion a serious criminal offense, they want to make Iraq a "democracy"(yeah right), and they will offer no help to anyone making less than $100,000 a year. As for the war on terrorism...i hate terrorism....but there isnt a goddamn thing anybody can EVER do about it. It's always existed and it always will exist. Fighting a war on terror is like fighting a war on murder.....there's nothing you can do about it. Just making sure you have decent security and you try not to piss off as many people as the US seems to, is really all you can do. Sadam is gone, but another will take his place.....just like EVERY other dictator the US has taken out of power (history lesson kiddies), this war will change nothing and all those who have died, lost their lives for nothing. there are terrorists everywhere.....Korea, South America, all over the US, middle east......you can't kill everybody. This adminstration represents all that an intelligent person should hate about the US- using their macho attitude rather than their brains. It will be the key to our demise.

Just one quick correction for the poster below: Fat Mike doesn't, and never has, endorsed John Kerry. In fact, campaign laws restrict Punk Voter from advocating a Presidential candidate. Where have you seen Mike endorse Kerry? I can answer that: You haven't. Ever.

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

The real question/problem with Fat Mike is, Why does he support John Kerry? Fat Mike has, for years been much farther left than the the moderate John Kerry. Is Bush that much worse? John Kerry plans to put more troops into Iraq. John Kerry voted for the war and has said that he still would have done so knowing what he knows now. The only problem he has with the war is the way Bush went about handling it. I have 4 uncles in the military and I do not want any of them there. Nader is the antiwar vote. All you "punks" are apparently antiwar and so was Fat Mike and all his sellout cronies ie Antiflag. I don't mean sellout in the cliche sense either, they're sellouts to the causes they used to stand for. Punk is dead and Fat Mike killed it.

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

The kid below me should have just kept his mouth shut and watch reading rainbow on pbs.

Once you start reading, then you will be able to talk and write like all the other 3rd graders.

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

anything opposing bush is good. stop talking bout who or who shouldnt be on it, inform the kids, i hate blink, yellowcard but justcoz someone listens to them dont mean there stupid, or fashion punks. everyone seems to hate conservatives and i do too, but all of you sound conservative with the dwarves or hwt would be better, oh theyre little fashion punks! geez! people quit being such conservative like and let people unite for a great cause. plus, not voting should be means for deportion. cmon people. voting isthe most important thing u can do as an american.if u dnot vote than shut your mouth or die

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

haha, ska sucks

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

"I've passed gas more solid than your arguements"

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

"... No, that's bullshit. Democracy has only been around since the inception of the U.S.A.? Put on your thinking cap.

Democracy clearly doesn't work when so many live hating each other. "

I meant our version of democracy. Our model of government. Guess I didn't type that clear enough. My mistake.

and, I don't see too many people hating each other. Sure, everybody has differance of opinions but i wouldn't say "hate". Unless, of course, you're talking about the far left and Bush.

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

"one of the oldest models of governments around, is modeled all around the world and still looked up to and idololized."

... No, that's bullshit. Democracy has only been around since the inception of the U.S.A.? Put on your thinking cap.

Democracy clearly doesn't work when so many live hating each other.

-BSD

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

People only voting for themselves? What happened to thinking of other people? Get the fuck over yourselves, christ.

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

Very good review.

Anyone who votes for fucking Bush lacks a functioning brain.

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

"Why don't you go drive your SUV, watch American Idol, buy a Justin Timberlake CD and wave your american flag some more you fucking arrogant prick.

Its funny how Americans don't wear flags on their backpacks when they go travelling, you know, on account of the fact the rest of the world hates you."

Ah! Instead of actual, intelligent debate, we resort to this. I guess I shouldn't be too surprised, seeing as though this website just attracts all the brightest minds in the punk world.

Oh no. The world hates us! Tell me something new. Please.

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

"Don't vote for your own interests unless a particular issue truly speaks to you, otherwise vote for the interest of the sick and suffering.

Aids is a more important crisis than invading Iraq for oil."

Sorry, but I don't believe in helping others unless you can help yourself. I'm going to vote for me. I'm going to vote for who is going to represent me best. That's the entire purpose of voting. To vote for someone who can help you and help run this country better.

I help others on my own time and if I feel the president or a leader isn't doing enough, I'll say so. But, my main focus is to put in the guy I WANT.

As far as that oil argument, thanks for bringing up a dead horse without any real credible information.

Hey - I'm still paying 2 bucks a gallon for gas, where's that oil that we're supposedly getting? Ah, I bet it's some vast right wing conspiracy, right? And we'll be getting that right after we capture Osama bin Laden all leading into the month before the election, right? Right.

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

Why don't you go drive your SUV, watch American Idol, buy a Justin Timberlake CD and wave your american flag some more you fucking arrogant prick.

Its funny how Americans don't wear flags on their backpacks when they go travelling, you know, on account of the fact the rest of the world hates you.

Anonymous (August 12, 2004)

"bush must be removed at all costs, honestly stop wasting your time trying to find ways to revive your pathetic democracy. first thing is first, get rid of bush"

"pathetic democracy"? This "pathetic democracy" has only lasted us over 200 years, one of the oldest models of governments around, is modeled all around the world and still looked up to and idololized.

Sorry - but this is exactly the type of attitude that put this country, nay - the world, in the position that it is in right now.

I'd rather go to the root of the problem and fix it than do a short term solution to a long term crisis.

It's a good thing you live in Canada, otherwise, I'd be fairly embaressed by someone who keeps making these outrageous and ignorant comments.

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

"I'd rather have an indecisive person who pleases the people than a tyrant who just poises the U.S. against the rest of the world."

This is the first time I have agreed with BSD on anything.

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

" I would rather have a decisive moron than an indecisive, people pleaser."

I'd rather have an indecisive person who pleases the people than a tyrant who just poises the U.S. against the rest of the world. Against both, I'd rather have no presidents.

-BSD

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

and oh yah, you are right, you shouldn't "have" to do anything you don't want to. But you are in a privleged position to help our planet by removing Bush... think of the needs of the many rather than the needs of the few.

Don't vote for your own interests unless a particular issue truly speaks to you, otherwise vote for the interest of the sick and suffering.

Aids is a more important crisis than invading Iraq for oil.

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

I wrote the comment below that starts... "voting 3rd party would be great..."

WOW, i'm fucking shocked that you still find ways to support not voting or not voting against bush.

Bush is fucking horrible person, the republican party is fucking horrible, get that fucker out of office before our fucking planet gets blown up. Democracy has lost all meaning so just vote for fucking Kerry (who is simply the lesser of 2 evils in this election, think back... wouldn't you way rather have Al Gore as president now?).

bush must be removed at all costs, honestly stop wasting your time trying to find ways to revive your pathetic democracy. first thing is first, get rid of bush.

Do we need another WWII style genocide before you realize how bad Bush is?

You kids need to stfu and pay attention in history, there are many presidents in our history who were much worse than Bush. Go research some of our past presidents.

Bush is by no means on my top 10, in truth, he might be in the bottom half, however there are others worse than him. Looking at current worse possiblities... Kerry comes to mind. I would rather have a decisive moron than an indecisive, people pleaser.

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

"Voting 3rd party would be great... but let's be realistic, for the greater good of the entire WORLD, we need to vote democrat. Sure there will be scandals, sure they're politicians who lie to get into office, but we need to oust the worst president in the history of the united states. VOTE DEMOCRAT.

By the way, I'm Canadian, so the fact that I'm "preaching" is meaningless. You need to look to the opinions of other nations, that is where the real truth lies."

Again - why should we "have" to vote Democrat? or "have" to vote somebody out?

That's so fucked up to me. We don't "need" to vote Kerry in, or "need" to vote Bush out. that isn't democracy. That isn't what this country is supposed to be. That isn't what democracy is supposed to be.

People seriously need to reconsider how they are viewing this election.

I'm not really concerned about what other nations think right now. I'm more concerned with my politicians and what they are going to offer me and what they are going to do to fix this country.

I really don't care if people vote Kerry or Bush. Because, frankly, if you ask me, whoever wins, we (the people of the US) lose. But, hey - people have differant opinions and have every right to vote either way, just as long as they think they are the right candidate for the job and are not voting out of spite, blind hate or just because some celebrity told them to. And that, right there is what voting and democracy is all about.

Not the current shit that's going on, from both sides.

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

Voting 3rd party would be great... but let's be realistic, for the greater good of the entire WORLD, we need to vote democrat. Sure there will be scandals, sure they're politicians who lie to get into office, but we need to oust the worst president in the history of the united states. VOTE DEMOCRAT.

By the way, I'm Canadian, so the fact that I'm "preaching" is meaningless. You need to look to the opinions of other nations, that is where the real truth lies.

"when the lawrence arms were in denver, i spraypainted the shit out of their trailer in their honor, and chris almost cried he was so upset. He apparently paid $1500 for that trailer. they had it coming. the new song is really good, brens voice sounds a bit different. permanent arm paint is awesome"

Dude that was you?

I saw that in detroit, had no clue wtf it was about.

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

Anyone got the lyrics to the LA song?

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

when the lawrence arms were in denver, i spraypainted the shit out of their trailer in their honor, and chris almost cried he was so upset. He apparently paid $1500 for that trailer. they had it coming. the new song is really good, brens voice sounds a bit different. permanent arm paint is awesome

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

"True, but despite that, only Kerry or Bush can actually win. Sure, the idealist says "vote with your conscience" but the pragmatist in me says "vote with your brain.""

Right. And part of voting with your brain is with who you think can run the country the best, who has the best policies, who can help you the most, etc. I'm not saying you should always vote third party, because that wouldn't make sense. You should always vote for someone who will help YOU and make this country run better, whether it's Democrat, Green, Republican or yourself.

Everybody says voting third party is stupid, especially in this year's election. No, it's not. because if every person who has said those things actually voted third party, well...let's just say there would be a LOT more third party people in office and we would have another "real" presidential candidate running.

I said it before, and I'll say it again. Limiting yourself to only two parties is bad news. Our democracy is dead if we continue to think that only a Democrat and a Republican can win high level offices.

and, for the record, the Libertarian party is not some shmuck of a party here. They have people in hundreds of offices not only on local levels, but national as well.

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

he said COCAINE, not drugs. They bleeped it out. The Man bleeped it. You know what else? this one is ten times better than the first comp. the best songs are larry arms, d4, dwarves, bouncing souls and donots. also, will ferrel is rad.
unfortunately, not even a lagwagon song can save yellowcard from looking like bigger sellouts than blink 182. atleast they are on the comp though

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

you know who's missing on vol. 1 and now on vol. 2? The Crucifucks!!! would have been cool to hear something new from ol' Doc Dart. even an old track to show the kids of today what punk rock is supposed to sound like would have been a nice complement to one of these compilations.

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

"I wasn't trying to argue, I was actually just curious if you heard, I'm looking for a link because I only heard about via word-o-mouth."

Then it's probably bullshit. Just remember that most of the people who are like that act out on their fantasies because they can somewhat afford to.

Not sure if I like it better than the first one, best new songs are Green Day, HWM, and the fucking Dwarves. Also pretty good are T(I)NC, Donots, Larry Arms (though the song is too short).

Disappointments are Foo FIghters, Autopilot Off, and Dropkick Murphys. I like DkM, I have for a while, but come on. It's like the band is jamming out while Ken Casey reads us an Afl-Cio pamphlet. This song makes me sad and angry. Sangry, if you will.

Which bring me to the next point, why has no one yet brought up how fucking awesome the Dwarves song is?

"There ARE more than two parties, people. Don't get brainwashed into thinking that it's *just* Kerry and Bush running. "

True, but despite that, only Kerry or Bush can actually win. Sure, the idealist says "vote with your conscience" but the pragmatist in me says "vote with your brain."

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

When did he say "drugs?"

I was under the impression that he said: "He loves Dick (meaning Cheney), but hates homosexuals..." or whatever.

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

This is much better than Volume One. The Useless ID song was outstanding. They have improved bigtime.

Talking about NOFX last night on Conan. Didn't anybody notice what stupid NBC did?? When Fat Mike said "I don't eat breath mints cuz their from de-hoofed horses" they bleeped out the from thinking that he said fuck. Then they also bleeped out the word "drugs" later on in the song. NBC sucks.

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

"If you want fiscal conservatism, libertarianism and personal freedoms, you're going to have to vote Democrat"

...or just vote Libertarian in the first place.

There ARE more than two parties, people. Don't get brainwashed into thinking that it's *just* Kerry and Bush running.

Voting is all about who you think can do the best job, not picking between the "lesser of two evils". And if we limit ourselves to only two parties, our democracy is fucking dead. Period.

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

Meh. Celebrities and artists can speak out all they want about politics, doesn't mean I'm going to listen though or not criticize.

Pass.

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

the u.s.a. is not exactly democratically republican, since not everyone is represented.

I wasn't trying to argue, I was actually just curious if you heard, I'm looking for a link because I only heard about via word-o-mouth.

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

"Did you here about the recent situation where those squatters killed like 6 people over an XBOX?"

And did you hear about John List, rich home owner, who lost his job and killed his entire family? There are murderers in every walk of life. Arguing that people should have to pay for housing because some squatters acted horribly is disgusting.

-BSD

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

In response to Aubin's post, as hard as it is for me to agree, a large part of me does.. but as much as a don't like the way the republican party has gone, I also don't don't like the direction the Democrats are going either.. And since the 3rd parties are really worthless, it makes for a whole lot of internal struggle.. i was thinking about not voting at all, but if I don't vote, I can't bitch when things get more fucked up then they already are..:(

As far as the huge post below me, I feel its wrong for me to figure out what I believe in, if I'm not aware of what others feel. Having political and social viewpoints based soley on what your parents, or religious leaders have drilled into your head is closed-minded and wrong. Every viewpoint I have has been weighed and measured in my head based on things I've seen and heard mixed with who I am.. I dissagree quite a bit with my parents on somethings, and I'm waaaay more conservative on other things..

That being said, as conservative as I think I am, I was still rocking the fuck out to some Sick of It All yesterday.. I don't necessarily buy the message, but they sure do bring the rock.. Think about it.. if it wasn't for punk music, I'd be stuck listening to bullshit nu-metal *shudder*

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

The Lawrence Arms are on this with a new song, so I'm convinced in the words of D4, that "this shit is genius."
That's not why I post.
I personally can't understand why someone who wasn't at least a little liberal would listen to much punk, but hey.
People are fucking weird.
Tastes do not dictate personality; at best they shine light on the individual.
My gut feeling is that most conservative punks misunderstand the liberal mindset, and buy into the media's alienation of anything not status quo. But, that's just my gut feeling.
I'm sure there's a couple Bush boot-lickers out there that listen to the Clash.
Anyway, people can listen to all kinds of woman-degrading rap music and still treat a woman like a goddess. And you can have a mohawk and rock out to Garth Brooks. Or you could dress in all black and eat pixie sticks as you spin your favorite apples in stereo cd.
wow, this post is conflicted.
I never want to be part of a scene ever again. They're just high school-esque social circles operating with a different dress code, bobbing heads to a different genre of music. And everyone primps and poses, and bitches and gossips endlessly about who sucks and what sucks, and who or what doesn't belong in our little limited circle.
Fuck that.
football players, punks, crusts, emo kids, ska kids, goths, ravers, clubbers, drug addicts, politicians, business men...
all essentially the same fucking thing beneath the glitz and the outward show.
I'll make up my own damn mind.
How I dress doesn't dictate what I listen too.

"You're not punk
and I'm telling everyone
save your breath
I never was one."

blah.
anyway,
I liked that person who posted that Aliens vs. Predator thing. That's how I feel.
I'm voting Kerry *shiver*, not like it matters. I'm sure W can dig up enough cash for the supreme court (again) and another sibling somewhere to throw away a couple thousand votes, then viola. 4 more fucking years, and hello canada.

and they say the system works. Yeah fucking right.

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

I find it funny how punk rock was foudned on being different, but what these bands are telling you to do is all become the same. It seems to me that what punk was all about was being different then the crowd, yet these 'punk' bands are telling you to all be the same. I'll vote for Bush thank you very much.

I also like how everyone who is against Bush, and they can be, never give you any solutions to the the problems they have with Bush. They just point out what they are against and never try to solve it. Anyone can manipulate something into sounding right, and unfortunately people might actually buy it before looking for another view.

And won't they feel bad when President Bush get's re-elected. All their hard work doen for nothing.

The only good song on both of these albums was 'wabrain' by Alkaline Trio. Funny how the song had nothing to do with Bush. I was at an Alkaline Trio concert and they played the song and said that they didn't care who you voted for. They didn't try to make up my mind for me.

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

he loves COCAINE but he hates homosexuals. NBC sucks, was that so hard?

The truth is, that most of the qualities that used to define the Republican party were, at least, admirable. But in recent years, especially post-Clinton, most of those virtues have been abandoned.

The fiscal conservatism of old has been replaced with massive deficits by the don't-tax-and-spend Republicans. The libertarian aspects have been replaced by abortion restrictions, homophobic legislators and fundamentalist Christians.

If you want fiscal conservatism, libertarianism and personal freedoms, you're going to have to vote Democrat. If you want to involve yourself with a party that plays lip service to those things, while bending over backwards for the religious right, then, by all means, stick with the Republicans.

Your party has been hijacked by extremists, and the only way to send them a message is to vote for someone else.

Did it piss anyone else off on Conan when Fat Mike said "No one vote for Nader"??? I thought Democracy gave you the right to vote for anyone you want, I guess I'm wrong. Also, is the new Lawrence Arms and the new Dillinger Four song on Kazaa or WinMX??

Its Bush hearing the god-awful Yellowcard cover of "Violins". That shit is gonna give me nightmares for weeks.

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

Score is for the review.

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

"Like Sprewells On A Wheelchair" PURE GENIUS!! needs some eric though! Paddy's nice but needs some eric too. The only thing missing from the rock against Bush comps is the good the bad and the leftover crizack

I don't think Conan is Republican because he had a Democratic Mayor on his show who was doing gay marriages and he basically said he thought gays should be able to marry... Then he made jokes about himself possibly marrying a guy.

Hahahaha, BSD...remember our arguments about squatters? Did you here about the recent situation where those squatters killed like 6 people over an XBOX?

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

"I'd rather Rock Against Ass."

Oh I'm not hurry, I'm not in a rush...

Conan, I think, is a republican. He has republicans on his show all the time and is friendly with them, then treats Michael Moore like shit. Besides that, these talk shows are being pressured to be as apolitical as possible.

If liberals scare you, you need to wake up. And kick their ass. Seriously, liberals are too weak.

-BSD

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

I agree... But if you want some real political rock, you'll have to get crust stuff and crust shows are pretty lame.

"You know, this next song is, like, you know, about, like, being yourself and staying true to yourself..."

This stuff is way too non threatening to stir controversy, but it's not all bad music. And, is any one else as surprised as I am with some of the new Green Day....I dont know what song I heard, I was waiting for Rollins to start on indie 103 and they were playing some new green day song and it didnt sound bad at all....in fact i really liked it, as much as i wanted to hate it. I can't stand this poppy "punk" shit, but fuck i liked it.

1. Is the Souls' song from the recent Philly shows?
2. I actually like the Unseen song.
3. NOFX were entertaining on Conan, but sounded like shit. I hope they were drunk. (remember those good ol' days?)

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

Great review. This one is MUCH better than the first.

The live Bouncing Souls track is killer.

Let Them Eat War may be my favorite song this year.

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

is anyone else dissapointed by the album cover for this record? look at this site (address below), wait for the picture to load. would have been a much better cover for this album, dont you think?

http://www.angelfire.com/emo2/supert/gwb.html

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

all i know is reading up on George Soros, Propagandhi was right on. That guy scares me more than Bush cause I can't vote George soros out, what a crazy man. Soros pointblank has said he does not see the role of ethics in economics. Bush at least sugar coats it.

this compilation is so muchbetter than the horrible first one. there are about 8 songs that matter, and they are, in order, the songs by the lawrence arms, dillinger four, hot water music, lagwagon, green day, the dwarves, probably the rancid one, and the live tracks are all alright. the lawrence arms is fucking awesome, and what the fuck is the foo fighters song? the worst thing ive ever heard? sounds like they recorded it in someones ass.

"My taste have matured, I have become a conservative, though my vote is still undecided (likely to be Bush or Nader), and I tend to only listen to old punk cds like The Clash, Television or The Velvet Underground"

how the hell can you listen to and understand the message of The Clash while voting for Bush? Joe Strummer, if he were with us today, would have a lot to say about the president's poor domestic and foreign policies if you asked him.

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

"Maybe if some of these bands could write a political song that was clever like Bob Dylan could....but they can't and all you hear is the same tired slogans over and over."

Dylan stopped writing political songs quite early in his prolific career and they were never clever, just straight to the point.

I can't believe Conan didn't interview fatty after the song. That would have been much more funny. The lyric changes were cool though.

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

hahaha, the NOFX performance was awesome! Mike changed the lyrics at the end of the song (Franco-Unamerican) - The keyboard guy was funny too

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

I personally don't like politics in my rock n roll. I don't like to pay money for a show and instead hear a sermon.
Maybe if some of these bands could write a political song that was clever like Bob Dylan could....but they can't and all you hear is the same tired slogans over and over.

"Oh yeah, isn't it just fucking strange that both Rock Against Bush Compilations had a shitty pop-punk band cover an awesome song by an awesome band and just destroy the song?"

Then he mentions 2 pop-punk bands covering songs by pop-punk bands.

Anonymous (August 11, 2004)

If you vote, you can't complain. You sir, have expressed a trust in the system that precludes you from complaint. If you vote, and your candidate loses, that makes you part of the minority who, this being a DEMOCRACY get fucked. Therefore if you want to complain have a little integrity and don't play thier stupid games dumbass.

I am pretty positive this is what will be on the DVD. Watch the video. It's pretty funny.

Anonymous (August 10, 2004)

Great review, the Larry Arms song is the best thing on here; but the new green day and hwm are pretty awesome as well.

Anonymous (August 10, 2004)

Several years ago I was drawn to the punk scene full of anti-everything crap. Quickly I learned of great punk bands of the day. Many of which are on this comp.

My taste have matured, I have become a conservative, though my vote is still undecided (likely to be Bush or Nader), and I tend to only listen to old punk cds like The Clash, Television or The Velvet Underground.

So I say this, many people will like this, and it will be the cheap-fix of the day, but ultimately falls down like most comps do.

But hey, maybe i'll borrow it from someone, just to see the Will Farrell stuff.

Yeah, in retrospect "fails to disappoint" was probably a curious choice of words, but I've been writing academic papers all day and my brain is a tub of lime green jello. Considered that way, it's a miracle that the whole paper isn't a mess of economic jargon and strangely structured sentences.