Lotus Feet wrote:The bible predicts that the hand of God will come around to Islam. Do you understand these scriptures and what it means to humanity?

Lotus

What scriptures?

Jomo Kenyatta, President of Kenya “When the Missionaries arrived, the Africans had the land and the Missionaries had the Bible. They taught how to pray with our eyes closed.When we opened them, they had the land and we had the Bible.”

Jomo Kenyatta, President of Kenya “When the Missionaries arrived, the Africans had the land and the Missionaries had the Bible. They taught how to pray with our eyes closed.When we opened them, they had the land and we had the Bible.”

The first point to understand is that the APPOINTED TIME is the last days of the end times when herald comes to run with the revelation.

Prophet Habakkuk was given information about what would happen at the appointed time.

The LORD's Answer

2 Then the LORD replied: "Write down the revelation and make it plain on tablets so that a herald may run with it.

3 For the revelation awaits an appointed time; it speaks of the end and will not prove false. Though it linger, wait for it; it will certainly come and will not delay.

4 "See, he is puffed up; his desires are not upright— but the righteous will live by his faith -

5 indeed, wine betrays him; he is arrogant and never at rest. Because he is as greedy as the grave and like death is never satisfied, he gathers to himself all the nations and takes captive all the peoples.

6 "Will not all of them taunt him with ridicule and scorn, saying, " 'Woe to him who piles up stolen goods and makes himself wealthy by extortion! How long must this go on?'

7 Will not your debtors suddenly arise? Will they not wake up and make you tremble? Then you will become their victim.

8 Because you have plundered many nations, the peoples who are left will plunder you. For you have shed man's blood; you have destroyed lands and cities and everyone in them.

9 "Woe to him who builds his realm by unjust gain to set his nest on high, to escape the clutches of ruin!

10 You have plotted the ruin of many peoples, shaming your own house and forfeiting your life.

11 The stones of the wall will cry out, and the beams of the woodwork will echo it.

12 "Woe to him who builds a city with bloodshed and establishes a town by crime!

13 Has not the LORD Almighty determined that the people's labor is only fuel for the fire, that the nations exhaust themselves for nothing?

14 For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

15 "Woe to him who gives drink to his neighbors, pouring it from the wineskin till they are drunk, so that he can gaze on their naked bodies.

16 You will be filled with shame instead of glory. Now it is your turn! Drink and be exposed ! The cup from the LORD's right hand is coming around to you, and disgrace will cover your glory.

17 The violence you have done to Lebanon will overwhelm you, and your destruction of animals will terrify you. For you have shed man's blood; you have destroyed lands and cities and everyone in them.

18 "Of what value is an idol, since a man has carved it? Or an image that teaches lies? For he who makes it trusts in his own creation; he makes idols that cannot speak.

19 Woe to him who says to wood, 'Come to life!' Or to lifeless stone, 'Wake up!' Can it give guidance? It is covered with gold and silver; there is no breath in it.

God is rather fond of Lebanon and we know what Arafat and his followers did to Lebanon and especially Southern Lebanon that borders with Israel.

The Last Days - 1975 - 2020

In 1975, the Christian population in Southern Lebanon was decimated, Arafat and the PLO destabalised Lebanon taking control of Southern Lebanon where Hezbollah now reside. Civil war broke out between the Lebanese government and the PLO. Cultural genocide was underway, there were 44,000 military casualties who died and 180,000 wounded. Flourishing Lebanon was reduced to rubble, the economy was destroyed and there was chaos. In the 20 years that followed 120,000 Lebanese civilian deaths (mostly Christians) died at the hands of Yasser Arafat‚s militia.[3]iii. http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/ ... html#part3

16 You will be filled with shame instead of glory. Now it is your turn! Drink and be exposed ! The cup from the LORD's right hand is coming around to you, and disgrace will cover your glory.

17 The violence you have done to Lebanon will overwhelm you, and your destruction of animals will terrify you. For you have shed man's blood; you have destroyed lands and cities and everyone in them.

It is well know that the hair is called the glory of a woman and the Christ said "If a woman was meant to cover her head she would have been born with a foreskin". Profound words. So the prophecy is stating that those that cover their hair/heads will be disgraced.

The destruction of animals has a double meaning. Firstly, the destruction of animals that are killed for Islamic religious rites and secondly the sheep and calves etc are also symbolic of people in biblical symbology.

They have destroyed lands and cities that became Islamic states and are continuing to do that in other countries due to the cultural genocide.

Lotus Feet wrote:The first point to understand is that the APPOINTED TIME is the last days of the end times when herald comes to run with the revelation.

Prophet Habakkuk was given information about what would happen at the appointed time.

Spoiler! :

The LORD's Answer

2 Then the LORD replied: "Write down the revelation and make it plain on tablets so that a herald may run with it.

3 For the revelation awaits an appointed time; it speaks of the end and will not prove false. Though it linger, wait for it; it will certainly come and will not delay.

4 "See, he is puffed up; his desires are not upright— but the righteous will live by his faith -

5 indeed, wine betrays him; he is arrogant and never at rest. Because he is as greedy as the grave and like death is never satisfied, he gathers to himself all the nations and takes captive all the peoples.

6 "Will not all of them taunt him with ridicule and scorn, saying, " 'Woe to him who piles up stolen goods and makes himself wealthy by extortion! How long must this go on?'

7 Will not your debtors suddenly arise? Will they not wake up and make you tremble? Then you will become their victim.

8 Because you have plundered many nations, the peoples who are left will plunder you. For you have shed man's blood; you have destroyed lands and cities and everyone in them.

9 "Woe to him who builds his realm by unjust gain to set his nest on high, to escape the clutches of ruin!

10 You have plotted the ruin of many peoples, shaming your own house and forfeiting your life.

11 The stones of the wall will cry out, and the beams of the woodwork will echo it.

12 "Woe to him who builds a city with bloodshed and establishes a town by crime!

13 Has not the LORD Almighty determined that the people's labor is only fuel for the fire, that the nations exhaust themselves for nothing?

14 For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

15 "Woe to him who gives drink to his neighbors, pouring it from the wineskin till they are drunk, so that he can gaze on their naked bodies.

16 You will be filled with shame instead of glory. Now it is your turn! Drink and be exposed ! The cup from the LORD's right hand is coming around to you, and disgrace will cover your glory.

17 The violence you have done to Lebanon will overwhelm you, and your destruction of animals will terrify you. For you have shed man's blood; you have destroyed lands and cities and everyone in them.

18 "Of what value is an idol, since a man has carved it? Or an image that teaches lies? For he who makes it trusts in his own creation; he makes idols that cannot speak.

19 Woe to him who says to wood, 'Come to life!' Or to lifeless stone, 'Wake up!' Can it give guidance? It is covered with gold and silver; there is no breath in it.

God is rather fond of Lebanon and we know what Arafat and his followers did to Lebanon and especially Southern Lebanon that borders with Israel.

The Last Days - 1975 - 2020

In 1975, the Christian population in Southern Lebanon was decimated, Arafat and the PLO destabalised Lebanon taking control of Southern Lebanon where Hezbollah now reside. Civil war broke out between the Lebanese government and the PLO. Cultural genocide was underway, there were 44,000 military casualties who died and 180,000 wounded. Flourishing Lebanon was reduced to rubble, the economy was destroyed and there was chaos. In the 20 years that followed 120,000 Lebanese civilian deaths (mostly Christians) died at the hands of Yasser Arafat‚s militia.[3]iii. http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/ ... html#part3

Lotus

I see, you're talking about the current situation in Israel and Southern Lebanon, Palestine.

"How long, O Lord, must we call for help, or cry out to you, 'Violence!'? Why do you tolerate wrong? Destruction and violence are everywhere, conflict abounds, the law is paralyzed and the wicked hem in the righteous. Justice never prevails."

Does it mean,"THE BIBLE PREDICTS THE DESTRUCTION OF ISLAM"

Jomo Kenyatta, President of Kenya “When the Missionaries arrived, the Africans had the land and the Missionaries had the Bible. They taught how to pray with our eyes closed.When we opened them, they had the land and we had the Bible.”

12 "Woe to him who builds a city with bloodshed and establishes a town by crime!

13 Has not the LORD Almighty determined that the people's labor is only fuel for the fire, that the nations exhaust themselves for nothing?

As you can see verse 13 talks about the fuel = oil. Exhaust also relates to cars. In this passage God is not happy with Islam and the cost of fuel. Verse 12 can also be relating to Dubai World as it is a crime to borrow money that you cannot afford to pay back. They are providing extra timeline information for the prophecy.

Currently people cannot afford to pay their energy bills and some cannot afford to run their cars due to the cost of oil. Of course the other crime is the drugs that are grown in the middle east Islamic countries.

When looking at a prophecies we have to look at the criteria. So I will now list the criteria.

1. Timeline - the End - The Appointed. 2. The Herald that runs with the prophecy. 3. Destruction of animals 4. Destruction of cities and towns 5. Bloodshed. 6. Destruction of Lebanon7. Covering of Glory with disgrace8. Fuel - Exhaust - Labour9. Building cities and towns from extortion and crime 10. Made an idol of their prophet. 11. Islam worship around a stone. 12. Serving wine to see naked bodies and we know full well that many Muslims drink behind closed doors and openly. 13. Gathers to himself all the nations 14. Takes captive all the peoples.15. Islam is puffed up16. Its desires are not upright— but (some) of the righteous will live by his faith. 17. Greedy - One sacred site is not enough Islam would like Jerusalem as well. 18. Islam likes death instead of life. 19. Never satisfied. 20. Piles up stolen goods including the scriptures. 21. Makes itself wealthy by extortion!22. Plundered many nations.23. Unjust gain 24. Set his nest on high to escape the clutches of ruin! - The Arabs do like a penthouse and the harems of girls to go with it. 25. Plotted the ruin of many nations. 26. Islam is being exposed. 27. Islam is ridiculed. 28. Filled with shame 29. Teaches lies30. Disgrace

Lotus Feet wrote:The first point to understand is that the APPOINTED TIME is the last days of the end times when herald comes to run with the revelation.

Prophet Habakkuk was given information about what would happen at the appointed time.

The LORD's Answer

2 Then the LORD replied: "Write down the revelation and make it plain on tablets so that a herald may run with it.

3 For the revelation awaits an appointed time; it speaks of the end and will not prove false. Though it linger, wait for it; it will certainly come and will not delay.

4 "See, he is puffed up; his desires are not upright— but the righteous will live by his faith -

5 indeed, wine betrays him; he is arrogant and never at rest. Because he is as greedy as the grave and like death is never satisfied, he gathers to himself all the nations and takes captive all the peoples.

6 "Will not all of them taunt him with ridicule and scorn, saying, " 'Woe to him who piles up stolen goods and makes himself wealthy by extortion! How long must this go on?'

7 Will not your debtors suddenly arise? Will they not wake up and make you tremble? Then you will become their victim.

8 Because you have plundered many nations, the peoples who are left will plunder you. For you have shed man's blood; you have destroyed lands and cities and everyone in them.

9 "Woe to him who builds his realm by unjust gain to set his nest on high, to escape the clutches of ruin!

10 You have plotted the ruin of many peoples, shaming your own house and forfeiting your life.

11 The stones of the wall will cry out, and the beams of the woodwork will echo it.

12 "Woe to him who builds a city with bloodshed and establishes a town by crime!

13 Has not the LORD Almighty determined that the people's labor is only fuel for the fire, that the nations exhaust themselves for nothing?

14 For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

15 "Woe to him who gives drink to his neighbors, pouring it from the wineskin till they are drunk, so that he can gaze on their naked bodies.

16 You will be filled with shame instead of glory. Now it is your turn! Drink and be exposed ! The cup from the LORD's right hand is coming around to you, and disgrace will cover your glory.

17 The violence you have done to Lebanon will overwhelm you, and your destruction of animals will terrify you. For you have shed man's blood; you have destroyed lands and cities and everyone in them.

18 "Of what value is an idol, since a man has carved it? Or an image that teaches lies? For he who makes it trusts in his own creation; he makes idols that cannot speak.

19 Woe to him who says to wood, 'Come to life!' Or to lifeless stone, 'Wake up!' Can it give guidance? It is covered with gold and silver; there is no breath in it.

God is rather fond of Lebanon and we know what Arafat and his followers did to Lebanon and especially Southern Lebanon that borders with Israel.

The Last Days - 1975 - 2020

In 1975, the Christian population in Southern Lebanon was decimated, Arafat and the PLO destabalised Lebanon taking control of Southern Lebanon where Hezbollah now reside. Civil war broke out between the Lebanese government and the PLO. Cultural genocide was underway, there were 44,000 military casualties who died and 180,000 wounded. Flourishing Lebanon was reduced to rubble, the economy was destroyed and there was chaos. In the 20 years that followed 120,000 Lebanese civilian deaths (mostly Christians) died at the hands of Yasser Arafat‚s militia.[3]iii. http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/ ... html#part3

Lotus

WAS it ISLAM that RUSHED to the CITY of Palestine and killed and shed blood, didn't it happened LAST YEAR?!. By JEWS?!. STILL SLEEPING!?. Woe to WHOM, Forgot!?. With an advance weapons?!. Do you all pay attention. Have they invaded(Palestinians), a city in so called Israel and shed blood in Israel?!. As much they Jews have last year!.

Study well, don't pick point. Vastly study. No point me representing you facts. Just like you have. Nor I like to be called an arrogant, nor a liar. Beside Islam, I haven't seen no one else proving his religion to be the right, only Islam stands and tells. If we were pagans, idols, satanist, cult than we would have been quiet as the REST OF THE WORLD. Read Torah, forget about Quran. Do you all learn at all by your heart bible and Torah. Or you just pick and choice.

Study well Talmud also. Don't fall in conclusion just like the rest.

You all made religion into A WAR instead of understanding it.

Muslims this and Muslims that, it is the MOST talk about religion in the world.

Let it be God will, to go on war and finish it once and for all, we are tire of you all.

Bilalahmad wrote:No point me representing you facts. Just like you have. Nor I like to be called an arrogant, nor a liar. Beside Islam, I haven't seen no one else proving his religion to be the right, only Islam stands and tells. If we were pagans, idols, satanist, cult than we would have been quiet as the REST OF THE WORLD. Read Torah, forget about Quran. Do you all learn at all by your heart bible and Torah. Or you just pick and choice.Study well Talmud also. Don't fall in conclusion just like the rest.You all made religion into A WAR instead of understanding it.Muslims this and Muslims that, it is the MOST talk about religion in the world. Let it be God will, to go on war and finish it once and for all, we are tire of you all.

This is an academic discussion on prophecy about Islam and I have provided you with the criteria for discussion. This prophecy is about the appointed time and it is in defence of Israel not against it.

So try again if you can to consider the words of the prophets like God told you too. When looking at the prophecies we have to look at the criteria. So I will now list the criteria again for you. Happy to talk about the individual points if you wish. However, please stay on topic of discussion. I am not interested in the Talmud or anything else you ask me to read. I only do the will of God not man.

1. Timeline - the End - The Appointed. 2. The Herald that runs with the prophecy. 3. Destruction of animals 4. Destruction of cities and towns 5. Bloodshed. 6. Destruction of Lebanon7. Covering of Glory with disgrace8. Fuel - Exhaust - Labour9. Building cities and towns from extortion and crime 10. Made an idol of their prophet. 11. Islam worship around a stone. 12. Serving wine to see naked bodies and we know full well that many Muslims drink behind closed doors and openly. 13. Gathers to himself all the nations 14. Takes captive all the peoples.15. Islam is puffed up16. Its desires are not upright— but (some) of the righteous will live by his faith. 17. Greedy - One sacred site is not enough Islam would like Jerusalem as well. 18. Islam likes death instead of life. 19. Never satisfied. 20. Piles up stolen goods including the scriptures. 21. Makes itself wealthy by extortion!22. Plundered many nations.23. Unjust gain 24. Set his nest on high to escape the clutches of ruin! - The Arabs do like a penthouse and the harems of girls to go with it. 25. Plotted the ruin of many nations. 26. Islam is being exposed. 27. Islam is ridiculed. 28. Filled with shame 29. Teaches lies30. Disgrace

Last but not least. Religions are created by man not God. The word religion does not even exist in biblical hebrew. In the past Westerners had no interest in Islam until Islam invaded the West with its demands and imposition of our nations. The view in the West was that the barbaric acts of Islam were part of your culture. However, when you brought your culture to the West then it became a matter of concern for the nations of the West.

Now this thread is about discussing the prophecies about the end times in the scripture; if you do not have the ability to do that then you don't have to join the discussion. Although I welcome you to take an active part in understanding and discussing it with rationality and reason.

Now my God does not have to go to war, he forces nobody to come to him. Violence disempowers the soul and vexes the Spirit of God, that is why we know that the JIhad of your prophet is not of God. As the Son of God said 'The truth will set you free".

Bilalahmad wrote:Beside Islam, I haven't seen no one else proving his religion to be the right, only Islam stands and tells.

If you would like to start a different thread on that I would happy to discuss it with you further. I am fond of the academics of comparative religion for divine purpose although I am not a religionist.

Lotus Feet wrote:16 You will be filled with shame instead of glory. Now it is your turn! Drink and be exposed ! The cup from the LORD's right hand is coming around to you, and disgrace will cover your glory.

17 The violence you have done to Lebanon will overwhelm you, and your destruction of animals will terrify you. For you have shed man's blood; you have destroyed lands and cities and everyone in them.

It is well know that the hair is called the glory of a woman and the Christ said "If a woman was meant to cover her head she would have been born with a foreskin". Profound words. So the prophecy is stating that those that cover their hair/heads will be disgraced.

The destruction of animals has a double meaning. Firstly, the destruction of animals that are killed for Islamic religious rites and secondly the sheep and calves etc are also symbolic of people in biblical symbology.

They have destroyed lands and cities that became Islamic states and are continuing to do that in other countries due to the cultural genocide.

Lotus

Please, understand clearly your scriptures.

So, those women in western who don't cover their head and semi-naked are better than those who have respects for themselves. You mean, it's better to fornicate before marriage. And to wear crosses and work in porn industries!. Are these righteous women!?.

Lotus Feet wrote:The first point to understand is that the APPOINTED TIME is the last days of the end times when herald comes to run with the revelation.

Prophet Habakkuk was given information about what would happen at the appointed time.

Spoiler! :

The LORD's Answer

2 Then the LORD replied: "Write down the revelation and make it plain on tablets so that a herald may run with it.

3 For the revelation awaits an appointed time; it speaks of the end and will not prove false. Though it linger, wait for it; it will certainly come and will not delay.

4 "See, he is puffed up; his desires are not upright— but the righteous will live by his faith -

5 indeed, wine betrays him; he is arrogant and never at rest. Because he is as greedy as the grave and like death is never satisfied, he gathers to himself all the nations and takes captive all the peoples.

6 "Will not all of them taunt him with ridicule and scorn, saying, " 'Woe to him who piles up stolen goods and makes himself wealthy by extortion! How long must this go on?'

7 Will not your debtors suddenly arise? Will they not wake up and make you tremble? Then you will become their victim.

8 Because you have plundered many nations, the peoples who are left will plunder you. For you have shed man's blood; you have destroyed lands and cities and everyone in them.

9 "Woe to him who builds his realm by unjust gain to set his nest on high, to escape the clutches of ruin!

10 You have plotted the ruin of many peoples, shaming your own house and forfeiting your life.

11 The stones of the wall will cry out, and the beams of the woodwork will echo it.

12 "Woe to him who builds a city with bloodshed and establishes a town by crime!

13 Has not the LORD Almighty determined that the people's labor is only fuel for the fire, that the nations exhaust themselves for nothing?

14 For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

15 "Woe to him who gives drink to his neighbors, pouring it from the wineskin till they are drunk, so that he can gaze on their naked bodies.

16 You will be filled with shame instead of glory. Now it is your turn! Drink and be exposed ! The cup from the LORD's right hand is coming around to you, and disgrace will cover your glory.

17 The violence you have done to Lebanon will overwhelm you, and your destruction of animals will terrify you. For you have shed man's blood; you have destroyed lands and cities and everyone in them.

18 "Of what value is an idol, since a man has carved it? Or an image that teaches lies? For he who makes it trusts in his own creation; he makes idols that cannot speak.

19 Woe to him who says to wood, 'Come to life!' Or to lifeless stone, 'Wake up!' Can it give guidance? It is covered with gold and silver; there is no breath in it.

God is rather fond of Lebanon and we know what Arafat and his followers did to Lebanon and especially Southern Lebanon that borders with Israel.

The Last Days - 1975 - 2020

In 1975, the Christian population in Southern Lebanon was decimated, Arafat and the PLO destabalised Lebanon taking control of Southern Lebanon where Hezbollah now reside. Civil war broke out between the Lebanese government and the PLO. Cultural genocide was underway, there were 44,000 military casualties who died and 180,000 wounded. Flourishing Lebanon was reduced to rubble, the economy was destroyed and there was chaos. In the 20 years that followed 120,000 Lebanese civilian deaths (mostly Christians) died at the hands of Yasser Arafat‚s militia.[3]iii. http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/ ... html#part3

Lotus

I see, you're talking about the current situation in Israel and Southern Lebanon, Palestine.

"How long, O Lord, must we call for help, or cry out to you, 'Violence!'? Why do you tolerate wrong? Destruction and violence are everywhere, conflict abounds, the law is paralyzed and the wicked hem in the righteous. Justice never prevails."

Does it mean,"THE BIBLE PREDICTS THE DESTRUCTION OF ISLAM"

Silly humans, you all full of conjuctures: In past same followers kept on about the destruction of earth, and stll hasn't. And now they say in 2012!. When you allbe truthful and accurate instead speculating!.

It's your opinion. God will, when it happens.

In every nation has problems now, be he idol worshiper or A montheist.