Obama is holding a press conference this morning just after 11AM and the word is he’s going to be calling for blanket amnesty for illegals in the country. Marco Rubio is also expected to announce his plan of ‘earned amnesty’ as well, as he uploaded this Fox News report to his YouTube account and titled it “Rubio and Obama to Introduce Rivaling Immigration Reform Proposals.”

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sDee

After all is this really the most pressing problem facing America?

Anyone care to continue dismissing the new order and the Republicans hand in it? Rubio and the rest of the Republican establishment know damn well these subversives will never vote for anyone but socialists.

We already have immigration procedures and laws. Anything they come up with is simply amnesty for illegals who do not respect nor want a Republic. Anything beside enforcement of exisitng law and policy is designed to push America past the point of no return.

Pat

So right…

c4pfan

Exactly! They spend all this time on this?!

Orangeone

You must add 12 million more to the unemployment rolls, food stamp rolls, etc. in order to justify adding $5 trillion more to this year’s debt ceiling.

aposematic

The Obuma wants $2.6 T in debt ceiling increase over two years, gets the Ds through buying the 2014 election, so the D’s will demand $5 T and the R’s will compromise and give the D’s $3 T declaring the R cave as a victory for America. Will the R’s ever wise up and stop funding the D’s reelections?

Orangeone

That $2.6T is just the first request. It will run out long before 2014, unexpectedly with all the SSDI, unemployment costs, ObamaCare costs, green energy, “job creation” and “stimulus” and there will be another showdown before that election, if we even have elections any more. I think he will simply EO the Repubs out of their positions, they will pack up and head home millionaires.

Democrats want earned amnesty as long as it’s earned by registering and voting Democrat. Isn’t that what the the Dream Act was? We’ll give you citizenship as long as you enroll in the institutions we control (i.e. communist Universities) at the tax payers/republicans expense so we can brainwash you into voting for us then offer amnesty on the debt you racked up for that worthless education you just got. It’s like haggling though. If we want earned amnesty we’ll demand blanket amnesty and then compromise at earned amnesty and let the stupid republicans think it was their idea. A compromise will be struck on earned amnesty and the paradigm will have shifted. I guarantee it. Then the democrats will begin haggling again. Just like on taxes. If Republicans think the debate over taxes is over think again. Republicans are idiots. It’s time for a new kind of paradigm shift. One where the Republicans have no seat at the table.

sjmom

Knew this was coming. I’ll wait for the news conference to comment.

sDee

I have zero optimism. Coming from immigrant parents and extended family, having been involved with this community for a long time, and having sponsored LEGAL immigrants, I know what is coming. Lies and deception.

Anything expect simple straight-forward enforcement of existing laws is designed for one thing – to further weaken America by a post-American subversive Congress and President.

Rubio is showing his true colors.

Orangeone

Rand Paul is also an amnesty guy, don’t let any Libertarian lie to you. They all need to be impeached now! Rubio was raised by Communist parents, enough said.

Any politician that is advocating for any “guest-worker” earned citizenship,etc..is just as guilty of promoting open borders as an in your face communist.We are drowning in chaos..its all about survival now.We see that Rubio is working for the Bush family.

Adding millions of amnesty voters to voting booths could shape this country’s future in ways that before were unimaginable. Is the left about to transform the United States into another Europe? The liberals have decimated the economies of Europe.

Conniption Fitz

They also want to prevent National Voter ID registry because DEMOCRATS VOTE MORE THAN ONCE….MOST HAVE AKA names and are registered in several districts.

The Obama crowd are morally and ethically corrupt.

Conniption Fitz

There are a DOZEN or more ways Obama has corrupted the election process.

Orangeone

And NO ONE in Congress is stopping him. Every single one of them need to be taken into custody and put on trial for treason by WE THE PEOPLE.

Orangeone

All while the feds seize records from businesses claiming they employee illegals (who use false papers by the way).

Watchman74

More sweeping changes by our illustrious president. America will not be recognizable by 2016.

physicsnut

hey – it isn’t even recognizable NOW !

TENCOLE

RS….you of all people should know what link Mark Levin posted in regards to Rubio’s “immigration plan”…..

Not sure what you are getting at Tencole. I posted the link he tweeted up above. I checked it and it is the correct link.

Conniption Fitz

New voters for Obama. Don’t think he won’t create a crisis where he gets another term.

@#$%%&**!

Conniption Fitz

I will never voluntarily look at or listen to Obama. He is a Constitutionally invalid POTUS and he will never be listed as valid in my family.

aposematic

And Congress…. Hmmm, maybe that’s why they are always caving to his majesty… Obuma is blackmailing them.

Constance

I have always thought that Justice Roberts was blackmailed. I will always think it. His behavior in the Obamacare ruling was completely insane. He was blackmailed by the Obama Administration. It will never be proven, but I will always believe it.

cabensg

Rubio disappoints again. Whether it falls on deaf ears or not there will be phone calls and emails from me telling my Rep and Senators we don’t need any more Democrat voters.

Does Rubio really think this will get him elected president? How did all those promises from McCain and Romney work out for us. Suicide for our country seems to be the only thing Republicans are willing to stand up for.

Pat

OK all of you fair-minded progressives – here come more folks looking for your job…..
we have plenty – right?

Orangeone

Let’s remember that Obama also wants illegals to be able to purchase guns easier while taking away ours. These are his brown shirts.

NYGino

Along with the 16,000 or so additional “IRS” agents he is putting on your payroll to “enforce” provisions in Obamacare.

Orangeone

And the IRS is already threatening employers not to circumvent ObamaCare. They know it is going to crash and burn in 2013.

deeme

I believe this is how no Conservative will ever win again..Although illegals tend to have Conservative values..instead they vote for the end of the very country they are fleeing to..

I did not know that. Thanks for the info. We need to seriously re-think our politicians who are not pro rule of law!

It is never right to sneak in the back door of someone’s house and help yourself.

Orangeone

Agreed! So far Rick Perry is the only anti-illegal alien amnesty I am aware of, not sure about Allen West. I am cautious about Ted Cruz as well, like Rubio his daddy was from Cuba and he talked around interview questions about illegals w/o ever giving his position.

Until someone talks about securing the border and doing something to control the thousands coming in now, including terrorists, I won’t give these two my time. Why bother. They might use different talking points but the results are the same. Amnesty for people who broke the law to get here. Rewards for those who broke the law and continue.
If Rubio (BUSH) thinks giving amnesty- OH excuse me, Reform, will get the Hispanic vote for the Rs, he’s dreaming.

Take every damn dime that’s given to illegals for welfare, free housing, education and jobs, and spend it on helping our Veterans.

Work requirement was removed quietly from Welfare Reform…the same will happen with “requirements” for a citizenship for illegals.
ELEVEN million (official number) of them??
Do the math -from our news: 5,000 illegals daily – times, say, 30 years = ~55 MILLION (not counting “unaccounted”).
55 million new DNC voters, while European intelligentsia waits for decades to get here.

Orangeone

I’m trying to find the link but the cost of illegal aliens was recently published. In MN, it is $774 million annually, which is almost the amount of our annual deficit. MN is now going to raise taxes again to pay for them. Sick.

EASY way to correct both problems: huge penalties for employing illegals in any form, and they will self-deport PLUS – deficit, crime, hit-and run accidents, drug usage will go down…

Orangeone

I’ve mentioned this in other posts, the latest game is for illegals to use papers of those that are legal. Punishing the employer is wrong in that case. Employers need to be able to truly validate their employees and applicants by knowing what other employment they have. There is a national database of this but employers do not have access to it.

aposematic

Good article at AT on similar topic in round about way, especially some really great comments. Worth a read.

How about this for immigration reform, we change the law that children born in the US to illegals are automatically US citizens. This law is being exploited. Instead at least one parents must already be a legal citizen before the child is naturalized. Second we go hard after the people who employee illegals. We don’t have to waste time going after every illegal immigrant, there’s too many of them, instead we make it so economically uncomfortable for them they will want to return home. Third we lessen the red tape involved in becoming a US citizen so there’s no excuse for people not to become legal citizens. Last but not least we do whatever we have to secure our borders.

Excellent Watchman74, But I’d suggest the last one first, then implement all the rest.

Orangeone

So you want to reward people that came to this country illegally?

Rshill7

“Third we lessen the red tape involved in becoming a US citizen so there’s no excuse for people not to become legal citizens.”

How does agreeing with this statement “reward people that came to this country illegally”?

There is nothing wrong with ABC’s statement, and your characterization of it, stinks.

P.S. If she is referring to the real last statement from watchman, which is to secure the border. What’s wrong with that one?

Orangeone

“Excellent Watchman74” who is arguing for illegal alien amnesty: “How about this for immigration reform, we change the law that children born in the US to illegals are automatically US citizens.” That is a violation of our Constitution.

Rshill7

Her point was to his last statement first. If that one were handled, many of the others would lie moot, other than what to do with those already here.

Are you saying that the Constitution says that persons born in the USA are not citizens?

Orangeone

That is the whole point of the argument, anchor babies and not US citizens. You cannot under federal law benefit from the fruits of an illegal act.
ABinC’s statement that I quoted was not pointed at the last statement.

Rshill7

Sure it was. In addition, babies don’t commit illegal acts.

Orangeone

They are talking about 30-35 year olds.

Rshill7

They?

Neither watchman nor ABC said anything about 30-35 yr. olds.

Orangeone

Go and read the amnesty plans.

Rshill7

I was talking about what you said to ABC’s response to what watchman said, and you were responding to what ABC said to what watchman said too.

The “amnesty plans” have nothing to do with it.

You are debating with yourself and putting words into the mouths of others. That is not sanitary.

Orangeone

I take exception to your amnesty plan. We have laws already in place and they need to be enforced. Encouraging and rewarding the violation of these laws does the same for other laws. Put a bounty on them, round them up along with their anchor babies and dump them back in Mexico. They came to this country and remained her illegally because Reagan granted amnesty and knew it would happen again. Put the National Guard at the border and shoot to kill when their foot touches our soil. Do this enough and it’s a great deterrent.

I personally am sick to death of paying taxes when illegals are given a free pass at tax evasion. I am also sick of the employers being blamed when illegals use their relatives’ papers to get jobs. Go after the criminal and that is the illegal alien.

The illegal aliens are not immigrants. People that come to America following the laws are immigrants!

I agree with your comments generally, but if I may point out something RE: employers:

I worked for many years with 401k and pension plans. We were an administrative firm that made sure plans were in compliance with Dept of Labor regs and also would allocate employer funds (profit sharing and match) to employees.

Anyway, as part of the job, we were also responsible for keeping payroll files (names, socials, date of hire, etc..) up to date.

I cannot tell you HOW MANY plans I would receive where the employer would send me payroll info, and I would cross reference it to the prior year’s info (checking for new hires, or people that quit, or retired, etc..) and would come across something like this:

So, naturally, I would have to call the employer and ask “Hey, is this a typo (which is what it looks like, right?) or is there another Julio Lopez working there now?” (keep in mind, the SS# was often off by 1 digit, like in my example)

The employer would say: “Oh, no, that’s the same guy, he just came in and told me he had a new social, so I updated it.”

QUOI???!! You cannot just “UPDATE” a social!! This would happen over and over and over again, across ALL KINDS of companies… and I would marvel at how the employer/hr personnel would just take the info and pass it on to me. CLEARLY, these people were here illegally. The employer now KNOWS that something fishy is going on! To ignore it is INDEED “criminal” in my mind, even though the initial crime, of course, is the law-breaking involved in coming here illegally.

There is plenty of blame to go around… I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss the complicity of the employers in exacerbating this problem. 🙂

Orangeone

I’m not sure when you worked on 401k and pension plans but the new hire reporting laws in the welfare reform act under Clinton cleaned up the vast majority of this. Because of this, what we are now seeing is hispanics sharing their identification papers because the one SSN is valid. Because eVerify is largely not used and not designed correctly when you verify the SSN that’s all it does, it doesn’t tell you that person is working 15 jobs. The same is true with the new hire reporting, employers are only told if the SSN is invalid or doesn’t match the first few characters of the 1st and last name.
If employers are not maintaining the documentation and required information I’m all for the fines. But when they are blamed because illegals are using false papers, that is on the illegals. We employers are prohibited from seeking out other employment information and that should be changed.

Watchman74

Well that’s a bit harsh, do you really think were there going to put bounties on illegals on this day in age? Not likely, we have to be more realistic. I don’t like illegal aliens (thank you for the correct term) any more than you do, but trying to round them all up is virtually impossible. I stand by my opinions on the matter, the best approach is to create the conditions were it is advantageous to become a US citizen and disadvantageous to remain an illegal alien.

Orangeone

Have you seen Cory Booker’s video putting a $1,000 bounty on neighbors turning in neighbors who are gun owners? I call it “Doing a Booker”. Gun ownership is provided for under our 2nd Amendment. If it’s okay for his gun bounty, I say let’s do it for illegals. It is not impossible to round them up. We can easily find the majority in the sanctuary cities and employers should be not only allowed but encouraged to report illegals that are applying for jobs. To reward the illegal behavior again, like Reagan did, will result in millions upon millions more in the next decade. Unless we stand up for our laws, they are all worthless. Reagan’s amnesty illegals overwhelmingly voted for Obama and other Dems like Harry Reid! Illegals in MN cost us over $774 million annually, work for cash, get free medical care at the emergency room and take seats in classrooms paid for by taxpayers. This must stop!

Linky1

Secure the borders first, then, look at enforcing existing laws as they relate to illegal immigrants, each and every one of them, the operative word being illegal.

aposematic

Just adopt Mexico’s Immigration Policy and inforcement.

c4pfan

There he goes using the military again!

aposematic

We already have a large legal immigration policy as well as laws prohibiting illegal immigration. Open borders is suicide for any Nation. Stuff like this always riles me up.

hbnolikeee

I just can’t watch this bozo lie and destroy this country. I’ll wait for the reviews.

Sober_Thinking

Illegal aliens should not be granted “amnesty” or any special favors or treatment whatsoever. Period. They broke the law… that’s all we need to say.

And for this smug, lying bastard to allow them free amnesty… especially without securing the borders to prevent the tidal wave of additional illegals should be enough to impeach this clown and put him away.

Congress voted AGAINST this and he did an “election end-run” right around them with his little campaign E.O. – how convenient.

So now here’s two things I’m livid over.

Rshill7

This actual press conference is about the debt ceiling, not about amnesty.

Not Scoop’s fault of course. But that’s what this is about.

poljunkie

Thank you Rs.

ryanomaniac

I watched about ten minutes of that news conference. Flipped the channel before I threw the remote through the TV. He makes me angry. Very angry. I’ve never seen a more arrogant, lying weasel, SOB. Hypocritical liar. He knows the so called press wont question him. He knows they fall to their knees with just him being present. The man makes me sick.

NJK

Hell, just bring them all in. They do whatever they want, they don’t give a darn what citizens think. They’re all in it together.

I’m trying to convince my spouse to move to Canada. What’s the point of staying anymore. It’s going to be just another mess pretty soon. I’m embarrassed to be living in a country with someone named Hussein Obama acting as President anymore. I just can’t take the humiliation of it anymore. I want to be proud again.

NJK

Both parties are making a mess. If the debt ceiling is raised again, I blame the Republicans. It will be their fault this time.

Could the conservatives in congress just repeat over and over again that these folks will now be taking your jobs!! You know the jobs you’re trying to find. Now that they’ll be legal they don’t have to do under the table jobs. Now they can come for yours!!

This whole illegal issue reminds me of the “Muslim Jihad” issue in this way: We keep hearing that only the fringe, radical Muslims embrace jihad, and that the “overwhelming majority” of Muslims are peace-loving, tolerant people who only want to be free to worship, blah blah blah. Yet, we NEVER hear from these so-called “peace loving”, average, every-day Muslims (maybe Dr. Zuhdi Jasser, but that’s IT!) speaking OUT against jihad and terrorism.

We also have thousands and thousands of people living in this country who are sons/daughters of legal immigrants, are legal immigrants themselves, or are in line waiting to become a legal immigrant. We NEVER hear from these people. Where is their outrage over this amnesty idea? You mean to tell me that the majority of Americans will agree with the “Blanket Amnesty” folk instead of the “I Did It The Right Way and So Should You!” folk??? I SERIOUSLY doubt that.

I swear, these are such winnable arguments. Immigration, Guns, Welfare, Spending, National Defense, and on and on… I think it says more about OUR side than the other that we simply CANNOT win a winnable argument.

The problem is, how far gone are we, as a nation? Is there time to find someone who can win the argument? My fear is, even if we win the argument, we’ll have lost the war, and it will be a hollow victory.

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Now, moving on to OBozo’s actual comments during this @ss-kiss-fest.. I mean, press conference. REALLY?!?!?!? Raising the limit on the amount of money we can borrow IS NOT spending??!??!

On what freakin’ PLANET is this guy living???!!

OMG, I need my blood pressure meds. Jesus H Jehoshaphat!!!! I don’t think I can take 4 more years…

stage9

Isn’t it funny…or sad really, how the CONGRESS, namely the House, is responsible for drafting an agenda, yet it’s the 2/3 majority of Senate liberals and a liberal President who are dictating the agenda?

Liberals are relentless moving from one item to the next — health care, higher taxes, gun laws, and now immigration — they never miss a beat.

When’s the last time you heard a Republican on the OFFENSIVE spelling out THEIR AGENDA? Do they even have one? Or is their agenda simply to cower to liberals?

Where is the “REPUBLICAN HOUSE MAJORITY” we keep hearing about? Are they DOA? “Dummies on arrival”?

This is by far the most inept House of Representatives that has EVER sat in Congress.

Amen. And the fact that Boehner remained Speaker was all I needed to know about Republicans and “Leadership”.

Ugh.

colliemum

Why you should fight all attempts to make illegal immigrants ‘legal’ – here’s a cautionary tale from the UK:
Because Tony Blair and his NuLab government wanted to crush conservative voters and the Tory Party, they opened the doors to muslim immigrants from Pakistan, Bangladesh, and were extremely lenient with the illegal ones coming from Somalia, Afghanistan, Nigeria … google ‘Andrew Neather’ …
Now they’re here, and can bring their whole family to the UK, and cousins to marry their daughters to. Living on benefits, occupying social housing, occupying private homes rented for the by the government.
Who’s paying?
We’re paying.
And we can’t get them out, because that’s against their human rights, also made law by Tony Blair. The fact that his wife is partner in a huge law firm specialising in human rights of muslims of course didn’t play a role.

This is exactly what Obama wants to achieve: get large numbers of immigrants, made ‘legal’, so they can vote for him and the dems, and so as to crush the conservative voters. He certainly has copied the NuLab playbook – in more ways than one.

That’s a good one – and I will pass it around, seeing that immigration and the EU is heavily in the news over here!

Thanks!

6cheri6

How very true!!!Thanks for the video.

BeyondPolls

More people have been deported under Obama than ever before. Just sayin’

tinlizzieowner

More people have illegally come into the country under Obama than ever before. Just sayin’.
😉 😉

BeyondPolls

Maybe, but I’m serious. He pretends to be pro-Hispanic but he’s deported thousands of them and sent them illegal guns so they can kill innocent citizens with them.

tinlizzieowner

Oh, I understand what you’re saying and he should be deporting them, they are here illegally. What he isn’t doing is making any effort to restrict them from coming across the border in the first place, so saying that he has deported more of them is kind of like trying to empty lake Michigan with a 5 gallon bucket and then saying ‘I’ve done more to empty lake Michigan than the last President has’. It’s still nothing but typical Obama double talk.
Get what I’m saying?

BeyondPolls

My point is that I don’t get how he’s so pro-Hispanic if he loves to deport them. I understand what you mean.

tinlizzieowner

Obama is pro-Obama, and nothing more. He dumped Rev. Wright when he was no longer ‘useful’. He dumped Bill Ayres when he was no longer ‘useful’. He dumped Van Jones when he was no longer ‘useful’ and I’m sure there are more. In private, I’m certain these people still reflect his ideology but in public, he no longer ‘needs’ them to advance his ‘agenda’. He’s what I call a ‘Situational Hypocrite’. Your point that if he is so ‘pro-hispanic, why is he deporting so many of them, is easy to understand if you come at it from the ‘Situational Hypocrisy’ stand point.

BeyondPolls

I totally agree.

tinlizzieowner

Unlike some others here, I knew we were both on the same track, going in the same direction but we were standing on different rails. 😉

BeyondPolls

Sure enough. 🙂

6cheri6

Go suck on your kool-aide and talk on your obamaphone and leave the discussion to the adults.

BeyondPolls

I’m not a liberal and I am serious about what I said.

6cheri6

You said it all when you said “he pretends.” That’s all he ever does is pretend to “like” some group, be it black, hispanic, gays etc. The truth is, he hates ALL Americans, but especially white Christians. He panders to whatever group he can benefit from. The only person he is totally for is…..himself!

BeyondPolls

Totally agree.

NYGino

This man “takes questions”, right. All the questions are pre-submitted and he “allows” the questioner to ask them. We can hear the original question but any rebuttal or further comment on his answer we can’t hear, giving him the ability to avoid any confrontation or further clarification of his answer. Cute and cowardly and deceitful.

Somebody please give me a bucket.

Constance

Yoo Hoo… Mr. President….. Over Here…. As a resident living in a border state that is rife with kidnappings, murders, human trafficking, and drugs, what are your plans to secure the border with Mexico? Your man-woman heading Homeland Security announced several years ago that the border was more secure now than it had ever been. Can you please provide us with documented proof of that within 24 hours, and also, we need you to go and spend seven days on the border as proof that it is safe and fit for American citizens.

Thanks, Prezzie. Appreciate your cooperation. Be careful of the cacti and wild animals down there. I’m sure they are far more of a threat to you than any criminal activity since things are so safe now.

physicsnut

Heard Colin Powell on the radio yesterday – “the country is changing demographically”.
How about that. I have been paying attention to demographics since 1965 – so what took him so long ?
And now that we have a firm grasp of the obvious, we might ask – if it is such a good thing, why has there been so much social disintegration ? What is he getting at anyway ?
It is time to take a tour of the ACTUAL effects of out-of-control immigration. Shall we start in the Bronx ? Bring a camera, because it is quite visible. How long did it take for the South Bronx to not look like Dresden and Hamburg, or are there still sections that look like a war zone.
And I say this in spite of my respect for Colin and Stormin Norman for avoiding a big mess in the Middle East. That was a huge relief.
All wars have peculiar and unanticipated effects. I have been wondering about the effects on some Americans of seeing news about suicide bombers. Before the Gulf War that was fairly rare. Then it became a daily occurrence. Those who think it has no effect should consider that some people are deeply affected by anyone who takes their life for some cause. I suspect this sort of thing might well account for the increase in incidents like Sandy Hook – a kind of Americanized version of suicide bombing. Some people “get ideas”.
Speaking of Andrew Cuomo – and Joe Biden – I have been re-reading Joyce Lee Malcolm’s “Guns and Violence” and notice that Biden “if it saves only one life” – see page 129 ! Oh, and ALL THE OTHER ITEMS in these gun control bills are right out of arguments made in the House of Lords to disarm the “lower classes” in England. First they proclaim how Free is England, and then they order ambassadors in Europe to report on gun control laws on the continent. Talk about hypocrites.

First Gun Control, then Amnesty…called it. Nothing Obama does anymore surprises me. What’s next? Reaching out to the Muslim Brotherhood and letting them infiltrate high level government positions…oh wait, that’s already happened.

eosliteraryworx

Any adult black man or woman in america today who gives up their guns, do not understand history of gun-ownership. As freedman, able to own guns for the first time after the civil war, southern democrats and their enforcement arm KKK, attempted to strip guns from blacks defending selves. The NRA (the first civil rights organization in america) stood up for second amendment rights for all people, including blacks, because they knew, it would be a matter of time before all rights to bear arms would be infringed. The control of arms as a means of racial oppression (Cottrro, Robert J. & Diamond, Raymond T. (1991). The Second Amendment: Toward an Afro-Americanist Reconsideration. 1991 Georgetown Law Journal).

eosliteraryworx

Any adult black man or woman in america today who gives up their guns, do not understand history of gun-ownership. As freedman, able to own guns for the first time after the civil war, southern democrats and their enforcement arm KKK, attempted to strip guns from blacks defending selves. The NRA (the first civil rights organization in america) stood up for second amendment rights for all people, including blacks, because they knew, it would be a matter of time before all rights to bear arms would be infringed. The control of arms as a means of racial oppression (Cottrro, Robert J. & Diamond, Raymond T. (1991). The Second Amendment: Toward an Afro-Americanist Reconsideration. 1991 Georgetown Law Journal).

Amnesty is out!!!! Terrorists are crossing the borders and setting up more cells right here in the US. CLOSE THE FRIGGIN’ BORDERS NOW! My God, Obama was put in office to destroy US, and I believe he was a plant by our enemies to do just that. Read all over the internet how some say the election was also rigged.