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I'm gradually preparing for the Gary Burton Improv Course offered by Coursera which begins in April 2013.Students are meant to already know either how to improvise over an easy jazz tune or an easy blues tune. I know the former, and have just begun to listen to the latter.My interest is in citified blues, the more sophisticated sound, rather than country blues. So I'm thinking of studying Louis Jordan's "Is You Is or Is You Ain't My Baby". What is the key I should begin learning this in ? Where can I buy the sheet, as it doesn't appear in the Real Book ?

I guess that a lot of you learnt blues before jazz. However, for those of you who have learnt jazz before blues, what were the key steps you took to make the transition ?

That Blues scale in the link is incomplete, although it is often published like that. If anything, it is a "skeleton" Blues scale, but there are several more notes typically used.

If anything, it is like saying a C natural scale is C - E - G - B - C; Some notes are missing.

If a scale is the notes on the menu that you can typically use in that key, a more complete Blues scale in C is:

C, D, Eb/E, F, F#, G, A, Bb, C.

At least that is what I play.

However, when learning how to play Blues eons ago I never heard about a "Blues Scale", and there were no books, DVD's, Youtube, etc. to help. I just listened to records of the Masters, and copied, or tried to copy, what they did.

To illustrate the scale, check out the hot link in my signature...lots of notes not in the skeleton Blues scale. (Key of G).

Thanks rocket. That's very interesting, I didn't know the Blues scale had a 2 and a 6 in it. It makes sense according to what I hear in Charlie Parker.For some reason I couldn't find the link in your signature.

Thanks rocket. You're a great player and you have incorporated impressive stylistic elements too.Is G Blues common ?

Thank you! I have been playing Blues since 1973, in all kinds of bands and configurations, and the common keys are:

C D E F G A Bb. If its a horn band, then lots to Bb and Eb.

Yes, G is quite common. A lot of Blues standards are most often done in the key in which they were famously recorded. "After Hours" comes to mind, (key of G), and "Stormy Monday" also often done in G, because that is what Bobby "Blue" Bland recorded it in, and the Allman Brothers did also in their cover which is considered the "Gold Standard" (Live at Fillmore East album).

The key also depends upon the singer. I sat in with a band last week, and the singer liked the keys of D and E.

Thank you! I have been playing Blues since 1973, in all kinds of bands and configurations, and the common keys are:

C D E F G A Bb. If its a horn band, then lots to Bb and Eb.

Yes, G is quite common. A lot of Blues standards are most often done in the key in which they were famously recorded. "After Hours" comes to mind, (key of G), and "Stormy Monday" also often done in G, because that is what Bobby "Blue" Bland recorded it in, and the Allman Brothers did also in their cover which is considered the "Gold Standard" (Live at Fillmore East album).

The key also depends upon the singer. I sat in with a band last week, and the singer liked the keys of D and E.

Hi RocketSo I've just listened to the songs and my favorite one was After Hours with Pee Crayton, he was very cool.I agree with you that knowing a tune in many keys is extremely important.

Hey rintincopI really appreciate you having labelled the type of blues I like. You are so right, my favorite blues tune is Blues by Five by Red Garland. I went to a concert last week and the Andrew Speight quintet played it, with a surprise guest popping out behind the curtain, just before his solo, to make it Blues by Six. (He was Eric Alexander who is my favorite tenor saxophonist after Sonny Rollins).

I've just finished listening to your tunes, of these I liked Bag's Groove with the Miles Davis quintet the best. So a couple of those dudes can really swing their eighth notes.

If you know this basic sequence, you'll have a very good start. If you want to see the most complex variation (don't get intimidated; I'm sure you don't have to know it) look up Charlie Parker's Blues for Alice.

Hey rocketYeah that's a great creation indeed by Avery Parrish. Cool arrangement too.The pianist in the clip was certainly missing nothing in his blues skills set. I noticed his technique is different to most jazz pianists, his wrists seemed stiffer than most jazz pianists, is this technique common for this type of blues, or is it just him ?

Yes, G blues is common. I would recommend you learn all the guitar keys first (sharp keys). Eventually you'll want to learn to play equally well in all 12 keys though.

Every key is called on gigs. This is especially true in horn based bands as one poster mentioned. Also, Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughn tuned their guitars down a 1/2 step. There are many guitar players who follow their example in this.

If you know this basic sequence, you'll have a very good start. If you want to see the most complex variation (don't get intimidated; I'm sure you don't have to know it) look up Charlie Parker's Blues for Alice.

Hope this helps.

Hey jjoThanks so much for

I | IV | I | v, I |IV | IV| I | VI |ii | V | I, VI | ii, V |

Here is my plan, I hope you're OK with it ?

1. Sing Red Garland's version of C Jam Blues for 10 minutes a day for a few weeks

2. Do composition over the above changes.Would you mind if I post it for you to tell me whether it vaguely sounds like jazz-style blues ?

3. Improvise over the above changes.

To start off with, I think I will stick with LH chords rather than a LH motif.

I just listened to Bird's Blues for Alice, extremely complex but extremely fun too.

Yes, G blues is common. I would recommend you learn all the guitar keys first (sharp keys). Eventually you'll want to learn to play equally well in all 12 keys though.

Every key is called on gigs. This is especially true in horn based bands as one poster mentioned. Also, Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughn tuned their guitars down a 1/2 step. There are many guitar players who follow their example in this.

Hi SteveFor some reason G Blues is the one that trips me up. I know it introduces a nice blues sound when I solo in E maj for my jazz standards e.g. the bridge of All The Things You are.Yes I have a life-time goal of mastering 12 keys.

Custard:1. Think of bar 4 as a II-V to the IV chord.2. Listen to Charlie Parker play blues, and you can also get the Omni Book, which has his solos transcribed. He is the foundation of most jazz blues playing. 3. Your plan sounds great. Do that and you'll be way better than me. I'd be happy to listen to anything, however.

Custard:1. Think of bar 4 as a II-V to the IV chord.2. Listen to Charlie Parker play blues, and you can also get the Omni Book, which has his solos transcribed. He is the foundation of most jazz blues playing. 3. Your plan sounds great. Do that and you'll be way better than me. I'd be happy to listen to anything, however.

Hey rocketYeah that's a great creation indeed by Avery Parrish. Cool arrangement too.The pianist in the clip was certainly missing nothing in his blues skills set. I noticed his technique is different to most jazz pianists, his wrists seemed stiffer than most jazz pianists, is this technique common for this type of blues, or is it just him ?

David Maxwell is a well-know and excellent Blues pianist. That was the first time I saw his technique, and it does look stiff. But it works for him...another example of a great player with "unconventional" technique, like Classical monster player Horowitz who played with flat fingers.

I don't think that any genre of music has a specific technique style. Each player has their own...although there are certain technique challenges that one style of music may have more of than another, i.e. more chords in Jazz and Blues than in some Classical.

Hey rocketYeah that's a great creation indeed by Avery Parrish. Cool arrangement too.The pianist in the clip was certainly missing nothing in his blues skills set. I noticed his technique is different to most jazz pianists, his wrists seemed stiffer than most jazz pianists, is this technique common for this type of blues, or is it just him ?

David Maxwell is a well-know and excellent Blues pianist. That was the first time I saw his technique, and it does look stiff. But it works for him...another example of a great player with "unconventional" technique, like Classical monster player Horowitz who played with flat fingers.

I don't think that any genre of music has a specific technique style. Each player has their own...although there are certain technique challenges that one style of music may have more of than another, i.e. more chords in Jazz and Blues than in some Classical.

Yeah rocket, as you say, whatever works. Like Thelonious Monk with the stiff flat fingers resulting in a percussive style.

Hey ritincopThanks for these very useful pointers. I'm looking forward a lot to tackling this jazz blues challenge. My first jazz blues composition will be in C.I also know the half-whole dim scale which I guess works over C7, F7 and G7 ?

Generally, would you say that in jazz blues, there is less emphasis on the #4 than in traditional blues ?

It's been a while since I've looked it, but as I recall Mark Harrison's "Jazz Blues Piano" book (w/CD) is an excellent primer to this particular genre. It's published by Hal Leonard and is available tons of places including Amazon (in the U.S., at least).