Why isn’t Evan Engram getting more credit?

We’re recording the latest podcast today so stay tuned. In the meantime, I wanted to put a few thoughts out about one of the more underrated players in the draft.

The first player we really focused on this year (back in early October) was Ole Miss tight end Evan Engram:

Engram is a little bit like Jordan Reed albeit 10lbs lighter. He can line up anywhere — inline TE, detached, slot, H-back. He’s a mismatch. At a listed 6-3 and 227lbs you could just use him as an out-and-out bigger receiver if you wanted. He has the agility, fluidity and athleticism to make it work.

We talk a lot about mismatches these days. Engram is a perfect example. Yet he doesn’t get that much hype.

Engram is shorter and isn’t quite as long — but he’s quicker, has superior long speed and he’s equally explosive.

Evans was the #7 overall pick in 2014 but it’s worth noting not everyone projected him to go that early. This profile by Nolan Narwocki listed him as a borderline first round pick (the same as Engram):

A prep hoopster with shooting-guard size, Evans combined with Johnny Manziel to form one of the most dominant quarterback-receiver connections in the nation the last two seasons. He’s a big, physical, strong-handed, West Coast possession receiver with playmaking ability who projects as a No. 2 in the pros where he will make his money as a chain mover and red-zone target.

It doesn’t mean Engram’s going to go in the top-10. The comparison feels somewhat legit though — and a smart team might get a similar player at a cheaper price.

Evans spends a lot of his time in the slot acting as a mismatch. This is how you’d likely use Engram. He’s not so much a tight end as a dynamic big target. Put him up against a safety or linebacker and he’ll have success.

The 2017 draft is going to be unpredictable. More so than in previous years. There are a bunch of players with similar grades. It wouldn’t be a huge shock if Engram went a lot earlier than most are currently projecting — especially if Howard and Njoku are both gone in the top-15.

The talent at tight end could also work against the receiver class. Howard, Njoku and Engram are explosive, highly athletic playmakers. And they’re healthy. Corey Davis, Mike Williams and John Ross don’t have that.

Would the Seahawks take Engram at #26? As good as he is, they’re already struggling to utilise the tight ends they’ve got. Even if you view him as a mismatch receiver — Seattle’s problem isn’t a lack of targets on offense.

Even if they were planning ahead with Graham and Willson out of contract in 2018, wouldn’t they just be better off franchising Graham? It’s not like there’d be any less pressure to feed Engram the ball as a first round pick.

For it to happen they’d have to be pretty down on the defensive talent available.

He’s very good though — and if they were going BPA he wouldn’t be a bad choice. It’s likely lesser players will be off the board before Engram. I’m going to revise my tiered rankings before next week and Engram will be in the third tier as one of the best twenty or so players in the class.

Engram would be competition for Tanner McEvoy and Luke Willson more than Vannett. Vannett;s calling card is blocking. Now they believe his receiving skills will allow him to be a ‘complete’ Tight End. With little OL help in the draft, I would prefer another one like Vannett to another one like McEvoy.

Thanks for another great article. Engram is a stud, though I agree with your sentiments that he will likely be gone before #26 and isn’t a great fit for our current needs. I’m hoping Cethan Carter will be the late round hedge against Graham/Willson leaving. Matt Waldman’s analysis really sold me on him.

It’ll be interesting to watch what happens with this TE group in the draft. Looking at mock drafts it seems like many writers struggle to reconcile how good the top 3 of this class are into their mocks. I feel like OJ Howard sometimes is put top 10, Njoku maybe breaks into the 20-30 range and Engram gets put into day 2. Considering how these guys tested and some identified weaknesses with the WR’s at the top of the class, I could see them all going 1st frame and being picked over both Mike Williams and potentially Corey Davis. I wonder if TE is not traditionally viewed on the same level as WR, CB, OT, and DT results in the above noted drop on the mock boards and whether that will also translate to the actual draft. I can’t imagine that the Seahawks will take a TE high unless someone falls to them, but they do often think a year ahead and certainly they are going to have to be making some big decisions next year at the position.

That said, he can return kicks, play on offense (backup 3rd down back?) and would be disruptive in the slot. Why not him, a larger version of adoree Jackson? Wouldn’t he be the perfect blend of Jackson and Melinfonwu?

You had him mocked at #28 in your trade downbeat scenario a couple days ago. Would you consider him a steal at #26 or did you think there’s could be more value elsewhere?

You’ve said you liked him and have covered him sporadically through this process, but you’ve often stated he wouldn’t be available. Seeing that he might be, I would really appreciate a piece on how he might fit into the Seahawks. If Obi is a chess piece, what might the Seahawks do with Peppers? Could we use a safety / slot like him that early? How much would we value his slot coverage, hits on the running back, return ability?

If they were going to get clever with that I’d much rather Zach Cunningham, or Jarrad Davis. Two players with much better athleticism for their sizes than peppers. I know I dogged on Cunningham a bunch but his testing was right in the Watt/Wagner/Bowser range with some serious length. I like Peppers but I don’t thin he’s dynamic at coverage or playing LB that you couldn’t get a better player like Lewis for less of a draft slot.

Here’s a fun one, Reuben Foster just got pinged on a drug test. Diluted sample at the combine. Now there’s absolutely nothing surprising about him using, just look at the guy, but I am surprised he got caught. Would have thought after all those years at ‘Bama they’d have shown him how to cycle properly to dodge the tests.

He’s absolutely enormous and has wild range. He’s not quite LaRon Landry levels of stupid obvious, but he’s clearly on some sort of gear – as evidenced by this test. I’ve been told by people I trust beyond a shadow of a doubt that 85%+ of the league are on PEDs, so the only real surprise here is that he got caught.

I was, replys above hadn’t refreshed so I didn’t mean to recycle a previous point. Feel sorry for the guy. Obviously a great player. I’ve not been following the sport in much detail until this year, had no idea performance enhancing drug use was so rife in the sport, or recreational drug use into the bargain. Don’t understand how guys with that opportunity ahead of them or guys who are already millionaires feel the need to cheat or risk there career by using drugs.

I would be ecstatic if we took Engram! But you already knew that about me, cause I never shut up about this guy since Rob first posted on him way back when… 🙂

If they want an elite offensive playmaker, it has to be early. Not saying they will do it this year for sure, but it has been a historical trend. And if they guys they really like (Obi, Awuzie, Bolles, King, Adoree) are all off the board, I could see it happening. Defense is deeper throughout and they seem to like coaching those later guys up anyway in the secondary.

While the Jimmy usage is a fair argument, I do think there are two reasonable counter points:

1. It has been slightly overstated by some when we expect 100yds/1TD per game. He still had a great year, even statistically, and especially considering he was coming off a major injury that crippled others’ careers. And even when he didn’t show up on the stat sheet, he was drawing coverage away from the other guys. I feel the real nag is red zone targets more than overall usage, and hopefully Bevell can figure that out.

2. The other huge thing to take into account is that our run game stank for a good chunk of the year. If teams had to respect the run game and Wilson’s legs like they will hopefully have to again this year, Jimmy and the other TE’s production would probably have gone up significantly. When the run game breaks down, the glass cannon shatters to pieces.

In the end, having more good players who can get open and who you want to get the ball to is a good problem to have. And I can pretty much guarantee Engram is not the type of guy who is going to be complaining in interviews about not getting as many targets as he would like ala Brandin Cooks. That is mostly a fan’s problem anyway IMO.

I’ve been touting McCaffrey since the time he was viewed as a second rounder. He is a dual running and receiving threat. And now he is widely viewed as being first round talent that will probably be taken before the Seahawks first pick. If Engram isn’t available would you take McCaffrey instead?

Here are some other reasons why the Seahawks might consider Engram or McCaffrey at 26 (or with their first pick):

1 – seriously considering trading Sherman means the team must feel confident they can start 2 outside CBs that are on the roster. Why? Because they can’t expect to draft a CB (in any round) and succeed in year one. (King might be the exception, but just maybe)

2 – the defense has been traditionally much stronger than the offense in the PC/JS era, and this remains the case. There is more opportunity for improving the offense than the defense, in other words, and adding a top playmaker could make that difference.

3 – the other way to improve the offense is drafting a top offensive lineman – probably Bolles or Lamp. Unless they trade Sherman for a high 1st round pick, they might not be available. And if they are, they have to be considered for the same reasons — improving the offense.

4 – As for Engram, putting him on the field with Graham provides potentially the most dynamic TE duo since Gronk and Hernandez (may he rest in peace).

5 – Engram could be the big WR that the Seahawks have been seeking since BMW. Seattle already has small, quick, fast WRs (Lockett, Baldwin, Richardson). Engram would provide another type they currently don’t field (at WR)

6 – Seattle already signed two O-lineman, a safety and a power RB. That doesn’t mean they won’t add a safety in the draft (I think that is near certain) or another offensive lineman (I think that probable – Asiata or Siracusa most likely), but it does provide more flexibility in the draft. While Rob has made excellent cases for Obi, Jackson, and Awuzie (perhaps my favorite) at 26, he has also demonstrated how deep the draft is for safety and CB (with some Seahawks-Specific limitations).

7 – McCaffrey specifically could be a hedge for Procise (like Lacey is for Rawls) or play WR almost exclusively. You could have him on the field with another RB without sacrificing offensive capability.

8 – Seattle has shown a tendency to target offensive playmakers in the first round, mostly through trade (Harvin, Graham), but also used their first pick on an RB (Michaels) and a WR (Richardson) when they didn’t have a first round pick (I know that was the case for Richardson – did they pick in the first round when they drafted Michaels?) Anyway, if they thought a player special enough (and I guess we have to include someone like Ross as well, although I think that less likely given the roster) I can see one of Engram or McCaffrey being the pick that surprises most everyone.

There are at least two arguments against drafting an offensive playmaker in the first round, both of them voiced here often: one, the possibility of focusing on the slot defender (Obi, Baker, Jackson, Awuzie), or most likely IMO a top pass rusher. Does Watt fit that category, or Taco Charlton, Charles Harris, McKinley, say?

I think at least 3, if not 4 QBs go in the first round. They will certainly be overdraft, but It happens every year. Offensive tackles will also get overdrafted, most likely, pushing very good players down towards Seattle.

Finally, it seems likely that Sherman will get traded, (based on the fact that the relationship has apparently soured, and reports that JS is not only fielding calls, but making them), and when that happens, all of our projections will need major adjustment, depending on the draft compensation. That still won’t guarantee a CB drafted in the first round for the reason listed above. It will provide an opportunity, however, to draft a player that we previously considered out of reach, either through the pick itself (the Saints at 11, say) or by trading up using one of the third round picks. From PC/JS’s perspective, Sherman may already be gone, and now it’s just a matter of making the most of it.

A couple excellent points I want to agree with. On #2 it will be easier to make the offense better-since the defense is already so good. Improving the offense, specifically the ball control/time of possession, will have the defense be more rested and likely better and healthier in the second half and the playoffs.

As mentioned before, how much better are these options. How much better will Engram be than Wilson? How much better will Bolles be than Fant? How much better will Obi or King be than the slot and CB2 the Seahawks will otherwise run out there?

There are long term consideration, of course. The Seahawks seem to look a couple years in advance, however, 2017 might be the most “short term thinking” year we have seen, with lots of expiring contracts and some players approaching the downside of their careers.

With all that in mind, Engram is a good choice, especially as a direct replacement for Kearse and his blocking. McAffrey seems more redundant with the shifty slots and RB on the roster. A first round nickle looks good for 2017 and beyond, while the pass rush can really use improvement. Those are likely the first two picks.

With 4.42 speed couldn’t we play him as a wideout (since we’re comparing him to Evans)? Our receivers are asked to do a lot of blocking. It seems like Engram would be a godsend for the running game and the bubble screen. The Patriots do a lot two TE formations which I really like because you can disguise so much. With Graham and Baldwin (and Lockett in 4 wide formation) that would put a lot of pressure on the D.

I like it. I like David Jones quite a bit and the team met with him but I’m standing pat that John Johnson would be my ideal late round Big nickel player.

Honestly this blog has talked a ton and rightfully so about defense but honestly, I could seriously see Engram or my equal favorite Njoku as the first pick especially if the heavy hitters of Defense are gone. and then just double or triple up on it in rounds 2-3

That’s what I like about him that instead of a projection he has actually played CB and safety. Plus a 6.72 three cone is in the tops for all defensive backs. Not a great 40 maybe slow, maybe he’s not a good technician and a 37 inch vert is pretty good. Not a ton of tape but what I’ve seen he seems pretty fluid in coverage and is a willing tackler.

If Seattle drafted Engram as their big WR, they could still take Kittle in a later round. Engram could be the fifth WR on the roster with Kittle as the 4th TE. Kittle’s ability to block and his speed have to be enticing to the Seahawks, regardless of who they draft earlier.

Kearse spoke of the Tuesday team meeting and what he and his teammate hope to accomplish in 2017.

“Just getting back to who we are, talking about passion and purpose and figuring those things out,” Kearse told Seahawks.com. “But mostly just them trying to allow us to be our best selves and get back to playing football the way we know how . . . We didn’t run the ball as well as we wanted to last year, so that was an emphasis that we want to get back to who we are, establish our run game while being explosive in the passing game.”

If Bolles makes it to pick 20 because of age, lack of experience, or whatever, I would send R3P90 to Denver in a heartbeat to move up. Any chance of getting a Tackle like him after what we have seen in FA should be jumped on immediately IMO. And as good as he is, I think the teams’ concerns are real and there is a real chance he does fall into that range. But I see no way he makes it through the DEN-MIA-NYG-HOU gauntlet to our pick at 26. Just my take.

Sea Mode – “Have we done enough to set us back on track in the run game?”

I don’t have the stats to support my position, but I feel that the decline in the running game has less to do with the OL and even the RBs than it does with RW’s injuries and the consequent inability of RW to keep the ball on the run option. A healthy RW was a huge asset — even the threat of him keeping the ball meant that edge defenders had to respect the outside.

My expectation is that RW will be fully recovered in 2017, and while we may not run the option as much as we did in the past, I think we will have success with it as we did in prior years.

Alabama ILB Reuben Foster failed his Combine drug test.
Foster’s sample was diluted, which counts as a failed test. He’s now in the league’s substance-abuse program. Foster claims he failed the test because he was extremely ill and taking in an exceptional amount of fluids. This adds to a nightmare Combine for Foster, who was sent home after getting into an altercation with a hospital worker. Foster is recovering from shoulder surgery. Foster is an elite talent, but could fall to Day 2 because of his growing off-the-field concerns.

Boy if he is there at 26 it would be hard to pass. The off field stuff is definitely scary but he was a beast last year and IMO the most dominant defensive player in CFB. He looked like a man against boys in the SEC some games.

It can, I don’t have the medical knowledge except for the military testing. We were subject to a lot of urine tests. I drink over a gallon and a half of water a day due to job and exercise. My samples always came back as diluted to where they couldn’t get a good test of what was in my system. I always had to retake the test and was told not to drink water in excess so my sample would come back properly. Its actually really easy to dilute a urine sample.

Maybe I’m making a connection that’s not valid, but does the altercation with the hospital worker have anything to do with the diluted sample? Did Foster get caught while he was diluting his sample? Or, did the worker do a preliminary test on his sample and tell him that it was diluted? Something seems fishy here.

Nah, the hospital were just being slow on tests which meant he was missing interviews with teams. Nothing to it, 90% of the posters on the board would have flipped out like he did under the same circumstances.

The only thing worrying in all this is that he was dumb enough to get caught, and to still be hot enough to need to dilute his sample. The NFL really aren’t making much of an effort to catch dopers, so if you’re getting caught you’re doing something pretty stupid.

Hi Rob. I saw a mock draft that had us taking Godchaux DT LSU in the 3rd round and said he was a great pass rusher from the interior. Do you like him as someone to fill this role? If so, we could focus on other positions in the first and second if we can get him in the third.

Browns released OL Alvin Bailey.
DBs Tracy Howard and Trae Elston have been waived. A Seahawk from 2013-15, Bailey was signed by the Browns after Seattle non-tendered him. He appeared in 14 games last season, with the two absences being because of a suspension for violating the league’s personal-conduct policy. Bailey was arrested for drunk driving last September. Bailey is primarily a guard, but can play tackle. He made five starts along the interior last year.

Just watched a film review by Voch Lombardi were. He’s talks about why he thinks Malik Mcdowell is better a better player than Solomon Thomas.
Personally I agree with most of his comments. If he falls and the Seahawks are willing to pick him up in the 2nd I think it could be their best pick in the draft.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGMrKjKbm9U

I’ve seen that as well. E does a crappy job of comparing ape apples to apples, but shows some brilliant flashes from McDowell and a good amount of just average tape from Solomon. But the good and but is always going to exist. Highlighting a few minutes of great against a few minutes of bad is will tell you nothing and is just a piss poor analysis.

Based on my own analysis of the two players I do think Malik Mcdowell is the better player. He rarely loses ground against the run and is nearly always getting up-field, he penetrates against double/triple teams and has the better positional versatility/experience.
Solomon Thomas is the better athlete, better at disengaging from blocks and using his hands. but overall I think he’s just not as good. I didn’t think he was a top 5 pick before the North Carolina game and I don’t think he’s that level of a player now.

Thomas is on a different level to McDowell IMO. He’s in control, often unstoppable, more disciplined and much more explosive.

McDowell does get penetration and he does get into the backfield. And yet it’s often for no tangible gain. He’ll misread and attack the wrong gap and they’ll let him ride into the backfield if he’s ceding a hole on the other side. He has a lot of potential but he’s a start from scratch type of player. He has to learn so much to reach his potential. Thomas is rare air. That game against UNC is one of the best ever college performances you’ll ever see.

OJ Howard is the best offensive player in the draft. The 49ers have drafted defensive linemen for two years in a row in the first round. The 49ers need anything they can get to improve the offense.

Solomon Thomas has been rumored to be rated lower by teams than by draft experts. The bears need SOMETHING at quarterback.

Blake Bortles regressed last year, and running backs are easier to find than good quarterbacks. Deshaun Watson is a proven winners, and after the expensive free agent signings such as Malik Jackson and Calais Campbell, drafting another defensive lineman at 4 might not make a lot of sense. Thomas continues to fall.

The titan’s situation at corner is misearable, and Humphrey is the highest rated player at that position in the draft.

Personally, I am worried about at Green Bay, at LA, at Tennessee, at Jacksonville and at Dallas. Jacksonville and Tennessee could both be making jumps this year. The rams are the rams and playing in Lambeau is always more than though. The cowboys are probably going to be pretty good again.

Looks like a very favorable schedule for the Seahawks. In Las Vegas the first thing the wise guys always look for is terrible situational spots. For example, as a Dolphin fan the one that jumped out is the game at Atlanta, because it follows at San Diego, at Jets, at London (Saints) and then one home game against the Titans. If Miami had another home game following Tennessee then it’s no big deal. But when a team is sent back out on the road after a tough road stretch and only one home game, the body and especially the mind simply can’t cope in that subsequent road game. It’s like…you’ve got to be kidding. Don’t we deserve a rest at home? Last season the Dolphins similarly had consecutive West Coast road games at San Diego and at Los Angeles, then only one home game, before being sent to Baltimore. It was a classic disastrous situational spot and sure enough the Dolphins turned in their worst effort of the season.

Frankly the mainstream media is totally clueless about situational impact. You never hear anything about it, and when the topic does come up it’s typically butchered, That’s the biggest difference between when I spend football season in Las Vegas or in Miami. The sportsbooks are flooded with locals who know all about situational scheduling and identify those games immediately. In fact, they’ve already circled two dozen or more games as likely wagers already. I received several related emails from Las Vegas buddies already tonight.

Since Seattle has an oddly tame schedule with alternating home and road games, there really aren’t many trouble spots or obvious up points. The one game where the Seahawks received a break is the roader at San Francisco following the Monday night host role to Atlanta. Road games after Monday night are a notorious flat spot if that road game is versus a non-division opponent. The schedule makers were very friendly to assign a divisional foe to Seattle on the short week. Since you already know that team there is far less danger of mailing it in or simply being unprepared.

Of course, it’s necessary to study the situational spots for each opponent also, based on what is going on before they face Seattle. I haven’t done that in this case.

BTW, NFL road teams coming off a loss fare 9% better against the spread than road teams coming off a victory. It’s roughly 54% cover if off a loss and 45% if off a win. You simply get a more inspired effort on the road if the previous game was failure. At home there is no trend. It really doesn’t matter if you won or lost the last time out. Again, that in contrary to conventional wisdom. Most fans and analysts always propose a supreme effort at home if the team failed the week prior. They should be looking at road games. An elite team on the road after a straight up loss is one of the most dependable uptick spots in sports.

You always want a visiting team to be coming off a victory. For some reason that is not understood. Last season the Dolphins feasted on Pittsburgh and Buffalo at home when both of those teams mostly sleepwalked through the game after entering on a string of satisfying wins.

I envy your stadium, BTW. The atmosphere reminds me of my youth in the rocking Orange Bowl. I have never attended a game at CenturyLink but I did get a chance to visit briefly years ago when I took a cruise on NCL that docked at a nearby pier.

I had some options in the first but thought baker might make it to my pick, went one pick before me. Ross is a tantalizing prospect to pair with our explosive offense. So much speed and ability I had to take him. Seahawks missed out on baker but were happy to have quincy Wilson who they have a 1st rd grade on sitting there. Shaq can play the safety/CB role they are going to so it was a no brainer. Edge Demarcus* Walker is sitting there waiting, and I pulled the trigger on him. other option were available but I don’t think they would go s/cb 3 in a row. As I said the next pick was hard for me between carlos Watkins and bisnowaty. I chose bisnowaty because of the Gilliam signing. Samson ebukam has such a great profile we took the shot on him. Grover stewart is a strong man who could potentially give us something in a year or two.

But if we draft McDowell then I’d immediately trust this team knows they have a player they can develop into a stud. They know more than me and it’s hard to judge character when you’ve never even met someone.

Gotta agree here. I’ll trust the team because this is SDB and not .net where the sky is always seemingly falling…I kid, I kid…sort of.

But really I’d rather have Wormley I get he’s older but better production and nearly identical numbers and frankly is a man. Rob mentions he lacks splash plays which is fair but him and Reed could be real sweet as grown men lining up against opposing offenses.

I mean in a like for like battle between McDowell and Wormley. I’m not a fan of Mcdowell in the slightest, less production, I personally can’t stand to watch players stand around on tape.

I will say I just ran through the best 101 FA’s list on NFL dot com and there may be some that I’m missing or they are missing or what not but there really are not many if any DL’s available at this time

I think this is a year like last where Seattle is going to have to buck trend and draft DL. Or what I’d really like to see is some interesting battles with UDFA’s.

It doesn’t have to be popular to be shared. I like the candor, honesty that prevails on this blog. I’ve been beating the WR (Davis) and TE drums for weeks and weeks as possibilities to consider.

While I think 5th DB, CB2, and a stud LT are the biggest positions to fill in terms of need, if BPA is a great value and you think said player will get enough meaningful snaps to warrant an early pick then add that talent.

If Obi and King are both gone I’d go to, bat for any number of players. That said, Corey Davis is head and shoulders the best receiver in the draft. There are 3 TEs I really like – long term potentially elite players – who would make great additions.

It’s even tougher considering we haven’t drafted a corner before round 4 in the Carroll era! There are some real 3rd-UDFA gems we might source. King, Willis/Rivers/etc picks 1 and 2? Kittle, Shaheen, Jonnu Smith after a DB, DB, Edge first 3 picks?

I’m glad we have such a quality FO. I trust this team to maneuver the draft and get ‘their guys’.

I’m torn because the “obvious,” talent is on the defense this year but look at Seattle’s drafts. Earl and Bruce dynamic defensive players.

But then for offense you have early picks for Graham (trade) Harvin (trade) Michael, Richardson, and Tate. That’s a lot of ammo for ‘dynamic,’ players however you want to define it.

I honestly don’t now a ton about Corey Davis but I know Seattle has scouted his team and most of us I think thought it was for Moton, but maybe Davis?

Since way back on this season I absolutely love Engram and Njoku. I think either could really light up the offense and even help Graham put up some truly awesome numbers. Not like last year which were good maybe almost great, but some serious TD’s and even open up the field for Baldwin to become less a safety net and more weapon like 2015.

If you go offesne early I think you can start to consider luani, David jones, my guy John Johnson late. Maybe they like Witherspoon, even Jourdan Lewis could probably be had with a slight move up in the second. I see mixed opinions on Tankersley perhaps all is well in the world and Sherman stays and balls out and they go after Brian Allen.

Bottom line I’ve postulated from a while back now that Seattle could still build a fearsome D even going super late like NT Antoine and mess with peoples hearts and minds by going offense with the first pick.

I’m going to even say it…if Seattle (which they won’t BTW) drafted Kamara in the first as a statement towards what Pete said a while back about his disappointment with Prosise’s overall health I wouldnt be bummed in the slightest.

“Right now, I don’t think the odds are very good,” Schneider said in an interview with 710 ESPN, via Bob Condotta of the Seattle Times. “But if someone comes cruising along and something happens and we do something, it happens.”

“The only reasons we would do it is to create some cap room and trying to become a younger football team. But that’s just one option,” Schneider said.

Giants are such a well rounded team, I can only imagine what they’ll add this year. They’ve been on the up for a while.

The minute I saw Houston on the schedule I said it’s a loss. JJ Watt and crew don’t care that we signed Joeckel and Aboushi or that Ifedis a first round pick, they’re going to wreck us. LOW scoring, UGLY game.

Jacksonville game is textbook trap game. 10 AM, underrated team, right at the end of an easy stretch, but before the tough games start. Don’t be surprised if it’s a stinker.

And week 17 I already said they clinched a bye week and rest a bunch of guys.

Know many are sick of mocks but Pauline’s latest 4 round one bears some interesting thoughts:

-Good Options at 26: Hawks take Chidobe with Humphrey, White, Adoree, Budda all going just after in R1

-Trade Up? Top 3 OTs go 20-24, He puts Robinson above Bolles based on team’s views contrary to his own

-Trade Down? Watson & Webb go top half of R2 but might someone want them earlier at 26? I was against moving down from 26 due to a perceived drop in talent per Robs recent post but not if according to this mock the following are available in the top half of R2: Obi, Watt, Harris, Davis, Taco, Wormley, Engram, McDowell, Evans…

-Talent Tiers? This mock in R3 has no less than 10 CBs and 12 DBs being taken and 7 good ones before #90 including Wilson, King, Tankersley, Sutton, Jones, Douglas, Witherspoon, & Griffen

-Depth Thru 4? Hawks may really like some of the prospects in R4 which might merit an earlier trade down to garner an extra pick here or a trade back to move up earlier in the draft (drop back on R3P2 to move higher on R3P1?). Some players still available in this mock’s R4 where Hawks have shown interest includes: C Phillips, J Lewis, G Stewart, T Bowser ( can’t believe this on in R4?) !

I respect the heck out of Tony and love his work, but I think there’s a lot to question in that mock. I mean, even he has reported Justin Evans could go at #28 or #31. So why does he fall to about #50 in this mock? He also had Awuzie as a top-20 pick last week, now he lasts to Seattle.

What about Tredavious White? I admittedly haven’t put a lot of time (none) into watching him, but I hear he’s a pretty much finished product. His ceiling is lower, but we like to get corners late any way so we could go upside later with Brian Allen and get our RCB of the near future

Seattle sees a number of players they would have been happy with at 26 leave their board, but enough still hanging around that they take the deal from the Jets that offers a late 3rd and a 5th round pick. At pick 39, they choose to take the highest rated DLiner that is on their board, knowing that the depth at DB is good enough they will likely grab a few good players around the corner.

Cleveland wins the draft. They take the best player in Garrett, they best QB in Watson, they pounce on the sliding Reuben Foster at the top of R2, and they get Tankersley.

A few interesting things in the division:

San Fran takes Leonard Fournette, and then they take ultra talented TE Njoku. John Lynch and Shanahan Jr are planning on building an explosive offense for the QB that they draft in 2018

Arizona crushes the hopes of Seattle fans by drafting Kevin King, then grab troubled but talented pass rusher Tim Williams. Their intention is to continue making Russell Wilson’s life miserable as a passer.

The Rams with their high pick in R2 give Jared Goff the talented Evan Engram to throw at.

Seattle had one of the youngest offenses in the league and one of the oldest defenses last year. They use this drafted to get younger and faster on defense in 2017.

I’m probably over hyping the small school guy. I fully admit that.The more I dug into the kid, the more I like him, and his potential. I think there is a legit something to Seattle liking him, and the idea maybe they would to DL first. There seems to be some thought are there he could slip into that top 50 range so that’s swaying me a bit more. I’d probably be willing to take that ouch, but let’s be real, there’s probably a reason why I don’t get paid the big bucks to decide. Go Hawks!

I agree with most of this and think Brian Allen in the 7th would be great. I’m constantly reviewing Seattle’s past drafts and that said for me Brian Allen as early as the 5th (in a trade scenario of course) would be fine for me. At that range the team is really hoping and not much else. For all the Kam/Sherman/Maxwell you’re looking at as many Tye Smith’s, Korey Toomer’s.

I always enjoy your drafts nice! that said….I love the thinking behind San Fran but I’m seriously thinking John Lynch is going to do his absolute best to copy Seattle which has roots in Tampa Bay’s old system. I’m going to miss hearing him gush about Seattle’s secondary and I think his whole priority is going to build the best defense he can. Again I think your reasoning is great and in many ways the should do exactly what you have presented.

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