Italian giants Juventus are leading the race to sign Dani Osvaldo before tomorrow’s transfer deadline.

The Serie A side have confirmed they are interested in the striker, who is currently suspended by Saints after allegedly head butting teammate Jose Fonte.

There appears little chance at this point in time of Osvaldo being welcomed back into the Saints fold.

As such Saints could take the opportunity to shift on their record signing before the transfer window slams shut at 11pm tomorrow night.

The serious interest from Juventus is a boost to their chances, albeit it is further complicated by the Italian club needing to sell before they can fund a move.

Juve director general Beppe Marotta confirmed: “We like Osvaldo and other clubs like him too.

“He is an excellent player, but before buying anyone we need to sell.”

The potential Osvaldo move could therefore hinge on whether Mirko Vucinic moves on during this window.

There is widespread interest in the Juventus forward from clubs across Europe, including Arsenal.

Saints were hoping to have all their business for the window concluded by the close of play tonight with Mauricio Pochettino and his team set to travel to Fulham on Friday for their game this weekend.

That could be optimistic if another transfer needs to go through before Osvaldo can move, while negotiating a deal that involves an Italian international who joined for a fee that could rise to almost £15m is complicated.

Saints also wish to try and sign one player, who is expected to be a replacement for the Italian.

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There are other European clubs interested in a move for Osvaldo, and it could be that if Saints cannot tie up a permanent deal with Juventus in time they try to loan him out, with a view to a permanent move in the summer.

That is the route that Danny Fox is expected take, with Nottingham Forest set to complete a loan deal for the left back with a permanent move agreed for the summer.

Let's get our money back, the sooner we get rid of Tweety Pie better.Alicesdad

Let's get our money back, the sooner we get rid of Tweety Pie better.

Score: 12

Alicesdad says...6:23am Thu 30 Jan 14

Let's get our money back, the sooner we get rid of Tweety Pie the better.

Let's get our money back, the sooner we get rid of Tweety Pie the better.Alicesdad

Let's get our money back, the sooner we get rid of Tweety Pie the better.

Score: -2

Lazy says...6:46am Thu 30 Jan 14

I agree with above....let him go and grab some cash...£12 million will do :D

I agree with above....let him go and grab some cash...£12 million will do :DLazy

I agree with above....let him go and grab some cash...£12 million will do :D

Score: 16

The stripes says...6:57am Thu 30 Jan 14

Lazy wrote…

I agree with above....let him go and grab some cash...£12 million will do :D

Find it hard to see how the above comments are getting thumbs down! Couldn't agree more. The bad apple has to go and if we can get some money back towards what we paid for him so much the better.

[quote][p][bold]Lazy[/bold] wrote:
I agree with above....let him go and grab some cash...£12 million will do :D[/p][/quote]Find it hard to see how the above comments are getting thumbs down! Couldn't agree more. The bad apple has to go and if we can get some money back towards what we paid for him so much the better.The stripes

Lazy wrote…

I agree with above....let him go and grab some cash...£12 million will do :D

Find it hard to see how the above comments are getting thumbs down! Couldn't agree more. The bad apple has to go and if we can get some money back towards what we paid for him so much the better.

Score: 16

Tony in Liberia says...7:04am Thu 30 Jan 14

I thought Dani would come good for us, but I think the players have made it obvious that there's no way back for him. Good business if it comes off, and we have Sam ready to step in. Since we aren't likely to move very far either way in the table, it makes some sense to use the rest of the season to bed him in properly without much pressure on his shoulders. Interesting end-bit; if we are shipping out Danny Fox - and I think we probably all agree that he's probably better suited to the Champ - who do we have as cover for Luke? Does this mean that Poch thinks Taggart is the left-side equivalent of Chambers? Or are they thinking of getting in a new left back? Time will tell! But I think Fox did a job for us, and I'd like to thank him for it. It can't be easy being an experienced International pro, even if it is for Scotland, and knowing that you are the understudy to a kid, even if that kid is someone as good as Shaw. And maybe, just maybe, the reason he gave the negative impressions that he did are based on the team being set up to utilise Luke's prime skills, which he didn't have, and the other players not being able to adapt their game to what he brought to the party? Just a thought ...

I thought Dani would come good for us, but I think the players have made it obvious that there's no way back for him. Good business if it comes off, and we have Sam ready to step in. Since we aren't likely to move very far either way in the table, it makes some sense to use the rest of the season to bed him in properly without much pressure on his shoulders.
Interesting end-bit; if we are shipping out Danny Fox - and I think we probably all agree that he's probably better suited to the Champ - who do we have as cover for Luke? Does this mean that Poch thinks Taggart is the left-side equivalent of Chambers? Or are they thinking of getting in a new left back? Time will tell!
But I think Fox did a job for us, and I'd like to thank him for it. It can't be easy being an experienced International pro, even if it is for Scotland, and knowing that you are the understudy to a kid, even if that kid is someone as good as Shaw.
And maybe, just maybe, the reason he gave the negative impressions that he did are based on the team being set up to utilise Luke's prime skills, which he didn't have, and the other players not being able to adapt their game to what he brought to the party? Just a thought ...Tony in Liberia

I thought Dani would come good for us, but I think the players have made it obvious that there's no way back for him. Good business if it comes off, and we have Sam ready to step in. Since we aren't likely to move very far either way in the table, it makes some sense to use the rest of the season to bed him in properly without much pressure on his shoulders. Interesting end-bit; if we are shipping out Danny Fox - and I think we probably all agree that he's probably better suited to the Champ - who do we have as cover for Luke? Does this mean that Poch thinks Taggart is the left-side equivalent of Chambers? Or are they thinking of getting in a new left back? Time will tell! But I think Fox did a job for us, and I'd like to thank him for it. It can't be easy being an experienced International pro, even if it is for Scotland, and knowing that you are the understudy to a kid, even if that kid is someone as good as Shaw. And maybe, just maybe, the reason he gave the negative impressions that he did are based on the team being set up to utilise Luke's prime skills, which he didn't have, and the other players not being able to adapt their game to what he brought to the party? Just a thought ...

Score: 39

bigfella777 says...7:17am Thu 30 Jan 14

8M is a joke trying to take advantage.straight swap for this vucunic fella then

8M is a joke trying to take advantage.straight swap for this vucunic fella thenbigfella777

8M is a joke trying to take advantage.straight swap for this vucunic fella then

Score: -1

West Cork Saiint says...7:21am Thu 30 Jan 14

Dani is clearly a good player, but with so many flops coming to the Premier League for big money, it makes you wonder if it is really fair that it is always a player from big clubs in Europe always win the Balon footballer of the year award. I mean Ronaldo is clearly a gifted player, but apart from Barcelona is he just playing in a good team mainly against Sunday League opposition? I digress. Definitely time to cash in and wish him the best of endeavours in the future and all that. Who knows, if he went out on loan and scores 20 goals in the Sunday league Serie A before the end of the season, we could get back more than we paid for him???

Dani is clearly a good player, but with so many flops coming to the Premier League for big money, it makes you wonder if it is really fair that it is always a player from big clubs in Europe always win the Balon footballer of the year award. I mean Ronaldo is clearly a gifted player, but apart from Barcelona is he just playing in a good team mainly against Sunday League opposition? I digress. Definitely time to cash in and wish him the best of endeavours in the future and all that. Who knows, if he went out on loan and scores 20 goals in the Sunday league Serie A before the end of the season, we could get back more than we paid for him???West Cork Saiint

Dani is clearly a good player, but with so many flops coming to the Premier League for big money, it makes you wonder if it is really fair that it is always a player from big clubs in Europe always win the Balon footballer of the year award. I mean Ronaldo is clearly a gifted player, but apart from Barcelona is he just playing in a good team mainly against Sunday League opposition? I digress. Definitely time to cash in and wish him the best of endeavours in the future and all that. Who knows, if he went out on loan and scores 20 goals in the Sunday league Serie A before the end of the season, we could get back more than we paid for him???

Score: 7

AdamG10 says...8:11am Thu 30 Jan 14

If this happens then it is a shame as he's clearly a talented lad. However, we cant have one person upsetting the rest of the pack and rocking the wonderful team spirit that Saints have. So, the best decision for all concerned maybe for Dani to move on. I actually feel sorry for MP if he does leave. It was his faith in him that brought him to St. Mary's. Not only will Dani have let MP down, it's the club, players, staff and all of us fans. Most of all he will of let himself down. Anyway, Sam was great on Tuesday so why not hand the young lad a chance to step up instead of getting someone in.

If this happens then it is a shame as he's clearly a talented lad. However, we cant have one person upsetting the rest of the pack and rocking the wonderful team spirit that Saints have. So, the best decision for all concerned maybe for Dani to move on. I actually feel sorry for MP if he does leave. It was his faith in him that brought him to St. Mary's. Not only will Dani have let MP down, it's the club, players, staff and all of us fans. Most of all he will of let himself down. Anyway, Sam was great on Tuesday so why not hand the young lad a chance to step up instead of getting someone in.AdamG10

If this happens then it is a shame as he's clearly a talented lad. However, we cant have one person upsetting the rest of the pack and rocking the wonderful team spirit that Saints have. So, the best decision for all concerned maybe for Dani to move on. I actually feel sorry for MP if he does leave. It was his faith in him that brought him to St. Mary's. Not only will Dani have let MP down, it's the club, players, staff and all of us fans. Most of all he will of let himself down. Anyway, Sam was great on Tuesday so why not hand the young lad a chance to step up instead of getting someone in.

Score: 19

deadly666 says...8:11am Thu 30 Jan 14

Ok, so we all get that Osvaldo is going. It needs to happen. Firstly I feel he should issue a public apology to everyone connected with the club. If we are able to come out of this and break even, then that's the best thing that can happen. Its pretty obvious that we need to strengthen the attack. The last few matches have shown that. Jay Rod is playing his heart out, but what if he gets injured or suspended? Lambert must be carrying an injury? He hasn't been able to reproduce what he did last season. Gallagher is too unproven at this level at the moment, but its clear to see he has talent. Do Prado isn't the answer either. He did a very good job for us in the past, but I feel we have seen his best. So maybe a deal could be structured for a loan swap with Juventus? They must have a forward who needs first team football with the World Cup coming up? Foes it really matter if a loan player who has no intention of staying at saints was to come in? As long as the performances justify the decision to bring him in it can only benefit the club. Maybe letting Sharp go out to Doncaster isn't the best decision after all? Ok, so maybe he lost his way through no fault of his own at St Marys, but his return would probably have been more than Osvaldo's? As for Fox? I know he has his critics, but he gives his all every time he pulls on the shirt. Maybe letting him go now isn't the best move? We all know he won't displace Shaw in the starting XI, but he is experienced cover, and we will need that as we get towards then end of the season. Shaw has had his injury problems already this season, so we need players who are naturally able to fill the void if he is out. We cant just rely on Chambers and Clyne. Not saying that in a negative way about their quality, but all it takes is an injury to either one of them and the squad will look very weak in defence (we all have reservations about the quality of back up for centre half anyway).

Ok, so we all get that Osvaldo is going. It needs to happen. Firstly I feel he should issue a public apology to everyone connected with the club.
If we are able to come out of this and break even, then that's the best thing that can happen.
Its pretty obvious that we need to strengthen the attack. The last few matches have shown that. Jay Rod is playing his heart out, but what if he gets injured or suspended? Lambert must be carrying an injury? He hasn't been able to reproduce what he did last season. Gallagher is too unproven at this level at the moment, but its clear to see he has talent. Do Prado isn't the answer either. He did a very good job for us in the past, but I feel we have seen his best.
So maybe a deal could be structured for a loan swap with Juventus? They must have a forward who needs first team football with the World Cup coming up? Foes it really matter if a loan player who has no intention of staying at saints was to come in? As long as the performances justify the decision to bring him in it can only benefit the club.
Maybe letting Sharp go out to Doncaster isn't the best decision after all? Ok, so maybe he lost his way through no fault of his own at St Marys, but his return would probably have been more than Osvaldo's?
As for Fox? I know he has his critics, but he gives his all every time he pulls on the shirt. Maybe letting him go now isn't the best move? We all know he won't displace Shaw in the starting XI, but he is experienced cover, and we will need that as we get towards then end of the season. Shaw has had his injury problems already this season, so we need players who are naturally able to fill the void if he is out. We cant just rely on Chambers and Clyne. Not saying that in a negative way about their quality, but all it takes is an injury to either one of them and the squad will look very weak in defence (we all have reservations about the quality of back up for centre half anyway).deadly666

Ok, so we all get that Osvaldo is going. It needs to happen. Firstly I feel he should issue a public apology to everyone connected with the club. If we are able to come out of this and break even, then that's the best thing that can happen. Its pretty obvious that we need to strengthen the attack. The last few matches have shown that. Jay Rod is playing his heart out, but what if he gets injured or suspended? Lambert must be carrying an injury? He hasn't been able to reproduce what he did last season. Gallagher is too unproven at this level at the moment, but its clear to see he has talent. Do Prado isn't the answer either. He did a very good job for us in the past, but I feel we have seen his best. So maybe a deal could be structured for a loan swap with Juventus? They must have a forward who needs first team football with the World Cup coming up? Foes it really matter if a loan player who has no intention of staying at saints was to come in? As long as the performances justify the decision to bring him in it can only benefit the club. Maybe letting Sharp go out to Doncaster isn't the best decision after all? Ok, so maybe he lost his way through no fault of his own at St Marys, but his return would probably have been more than Osvaldo's? As for Fox? I know he has his critics, but he gives his all every time he pulls on the shirt. Maybe letting him go now isn't the best move? We all know he won't displace Shaw in the starting XI, but he is experienced cover, and we will need that as we get towards then end of the season. Shaw has had his injury problems already this season, so we need players who are naturally able to fill the void if he is out. We cant just rely on Chambers and Clyne. Not saying that in a negative way about their quality, but all it takes is an injury to either one of them and the squad will look very weak in defence (we all have reservations about the quality of back up for centre half anyway).

Score: -2

Gosport Red and White says...8:40am Thu 30 Jan 14

deadly666 wrote…

Ok, so we all get that Osvaldo is going. It needs to happen. Firstly I feel he should issue a public apology to everyone connected with the club. If we are able to come out of this and break even, then that's the best thing that can happen. Its pretty obvious that we need to strengthen the attack. The last few matches have shown that. Jay Rod is playing his heart out, but what if he gets injured or suspended? Lambert must be carrying an injury? He hasn't been able to reproduce what he did last season. Gallagher is too unproven at this level at the moment, but its clear to see he has talent. Do Prado isn't the answer either. He did a very good job for us in the past, but I feel we have seen his best. So maybe a deal could be structured for a loan swap with Juventus? They must have a forward who needs first team football with the World Cup coming up? Foes it really matter if a loan player who has no intention of staying at saints was to come in? As long as the performances justify the decision to bring him in it can only benefit the club. Maybe letting Sharp go out to Doncaster isn't the best decision after all? Ok, so maybe he lost his way through no fault of his own at St Marys, but his return would probably have been more than Osvaldo's? As for Fox? I know he has his critics, but he gives his all every time he pulls on the shirt. Maybe letting him go now isn't the best move? We all know he won't displace Shaw in the starting XI, but he is experienced cover, and we will need that as we get towards then end of the season. Shaw has had his injury problems already this season, so we need players who are naturally able to fill the void if he is out. We cant just rely on Chambers and Clyne. Not saying that in a negative way about their quality, but all it takes is an injury to either one of them and the squad will look very weak in defence (we all have reservations about the quality of back up for centre half anyway).

Surely the one we could do with coming of the bench is Puncheon! Despite the "bad egg" rumours he never used violence against his team mates.

[quote][p][bold]deadly666[/bold] wrote:
Ok, so we all get that Osvaldo is going. It needs to happen. Firstly I feel he should issue a public apology to everyone connected with the club.
If we are able to come out of this and break even, then that's the best thing that can happen.
Its pretty obvious that we need to strengthen the attack. The last few matches have shown that. Jay Rod is playing his heart out, but what if he gets injured or suspended? Lambert must be carrying an injury? He hasn't been able to reproduce what he did last season. Gallagher is too unproven at this level at the moment, but its clear to see he has talent. Do Prado isn't the answer either. He did a very good job for us in the past, but I feel we have seen his best.
So maybe a deal could be structured for a loan swap with Juventus? They must have a forward who needs first team football with the World Cup coming up? Foes it really matter if a loan player who has no intention of staying at saints was to come in? As long as the performances justify the decision to bring him in it can only benefit the club.
Maybe letting Sharp go out to Doncaster isn't the best decision after all? Ok, so maybe he lost his way through no fault of his own at St Marys, but his return would probably have been more than Osvaldo's?
As for Fox? I know he has his critics, but he gives his all every time he pulls on the shirt. Maybe letting him go now isn't the best move? We all know he won't displace Shaw in the starting XI, but he is experienced cover, and we will need that as we get towards then end of the season. Shaw has had his injury problems already this season, so we need players who are naturally able to fill the void if he is out. We cant just rely on Chambers and Clyne. Not saying that in a negative way about their quality, but all it takes is an injury to either one of them and the squad will look very weak in defence (we all have reservations about the quality of back up for centre half anyway).[/p][/quote]Surely the one we could do with coming of the bench is Puncheon! Despite the "bad egg" rumours he never used violence against his team mates.Gosport Red and White

deadly666 wrote…

Ok, so we all get that Osvaldo is going. It needs to happen. Firstly I feel he should issue a public apology to everyone connected with the club. If we are able to come out of this and break even, then that's the best thing that can happen. Its pretty obvious that we need to strengthen the attack. The last few matches have shown that. Jay Rod is playing his heart out, but what if he gets injured or suspended? Lambert must be carrying an injury? He hasn't been able to reproduce what he did last season. Gallagher is too unproven at this level at the moment, but its clear to see he has talent. Do Prado isn't the answer either. He did a very good job for us in the past, but I feel we have seen his best. So maybe a deal could be structured for a loan swap with Juventus? They must have a forward who needs first team football with the World Cup coming up? Foes it really matter if a loan player who has no intention of staying at saints was to come in? As long as the performances justify the decision to bring him in it can only benefit the club. Maybe letting Sharp go out to Doncaster isn't the best decision after all? Ok, so maybe he lost his way through no fault of his own at St Marys, but his return would probably have been more than Osvaldo's? As for Fox? I know he has his critics, but he gives his all every time he pulls on the shirt. Maybe letting him go now isn't the best move? We all know he won't displace Shaw in the starting XI, but he is experienced cover, and we will need that as we get towards then end of the season. Shaw has had his injury problems already this season, so we need players who are naturally able to fill the void if he is out. We cant just rely on Chambers and Clyne. Not saying that in a negative way about their quality, but all it takes is an injury to either one of them and the squad will look very weak in defence (we all have reservations about the quality of back up for centre half anyway).

Surely the one we could do with coming of the bench is Puncheon! Despite the "bad egg" rumours he never used violence against his team mates.

Score: -2

Gosport Red and White says...8:40am Thu 30 Jan 14

deadly666 wrote…

Ok, so we all get that Osvaldo is going. It needs to happen. Firstly I feel he should issue a public apology to everyone connected with the club. If we are able to come out of this and break even, then that's the best thing that can happen. Its pretty obvious that we need to strengthen the attack. The last few matches have shown that. Jay Rod is playing his heart out, but what if he gets injured or suspended? Lambert must be carrying an injury? He hasn't been able to reproduce what he did last season. Gallagher is too unproven at this level at the moment, but its clear to see he has talent. Do Prado isn't the answer either. He did a very good job for us in the past, but I feel we have seen his best. So maybe a deal could be structured for a loan swap with Juventus? They must have a forward who needs first team football with the World Cup coming up? Foes it really matter if a loan player who has no intention of staying at saints was to come in? As long as the performances justify the decision to bring him in it can only benefit the club. Maybe letting Sharp go out to Doncaster isn't the best decision after all? Ok, so maybe he lost his way through no fault of his own at St Marys, but his return would probably have been more than Osvaldo's? As for Fox? I know he has his critics, but he gives his all every time he pulls on the shirt. Maybe letting him go now isn't the best move? We all know he won't displace Shaw in the starting XI, but he is experienced cover, and we will need that as we get towards then end of the season. Shaw has had his injury problems already this season, so we need players who are naturally able to fill the void if he is out. We cant just rely on Chambers and Clyne. Not saying that in a negative way about their quality, but all it takes is an injury to either one of them and the squad will look very weak in defence (we all have reservations about the quality of back up for centre half anyway).

Surely the one we could do with coming of the bench is Puncheon! Despite the "bad egg" rumours he never used violence against his team mates.

[quote][p][bold]deadly666[/bold] wrote:
Ok, so we all get that Osvaldo is going. It needs to happen. Firstly I feel he should issue a public apology to everyone connected with the club.
If we are able to come out of this and break even, then that's the best thing that can happen.
Its pretty obvious that we need to strengthen the attack. The last few matches have shown that. Jay Rod is playing his heart out, but what if he gets injured or suspended? Lambert must be carrying an injury? He hasn't been able to reproduce what he did last season. Gallagher is too unproven at this level at the moment, but its clear to see he has talent. Do Prado isn't the answer either. He did a very good job for us in the past, but I feel we have seen his best.
So maybe a deal could be structured for a loan swap with Juventus? They must have a forward who needs first team football with the World Cup coming up? Foes it really matter if a loan player who has no intention of staying at saints was to come in? As long as the performances justify the decision to bring him in it can only benefit the club.
Maybe letting Sharp go out to Doncaster isn't the best decision after all? Ok, so maybe he lost his way through no fault of his own at St Marys, but his return would probably have been more than Osvaldo's?
As for Fox? I know he has his critics, but he gives his all every time he pulls on the shirt. Maybe letting him go now isn't the best move? We all know he won't displace Shaw in the starting XI, but he is experienced cover, and we will need that as we get towards then end of the season. Shaw has had his injury problems already this season, so we need players who are naturally able to fill the void if he is out. We cant just rely on Chambers and Clyne. Not saying that in a negative way about their quality, but all it takes is an injury to either one of them and the squad will look very weak in defence (we all have reservations about the quality of back up for centre half anyway).[/p][/quote]Surely the one we could do with coming of the bench is Puncheon! Despite the "bad egg" rumours he never used violence against his team mates.Gosport Red and White

deadly666 wrote…

Ok, so we all get that Osvaldo is going. It needs to happen. Firstly I feel he should issue a public apology to everyone connected with the club. If we are able to come out of this and break even, then that's the best thing that can happen. Its pretty obvious that we need to strengthen the attack. The last few matches have shown that. Jay Rod is playing his heart out, but what if he gets injured or suspended? Lambert must be carrying an injury? He hasn't been able to reproduce what he did last season. Gallagher is too unproven at this level at the moment, but its clear to see he has talent. Do Prado isn't the answer either. He did a very good job for us in the past, but I feel we have seen his best. So maybe a deal could be structured for a loan swap with Juventus? They must have a forward who needs first team football with the World Cup coming up? Foes it really matter if a loan player who has no intention of staying at saints was to come in? As long as the performances justify the decision to bring him in it can only benefit the club. Maybe letting Sharp go out to Doncaster isn't the best decision after all? Ok, so maybe he lost his way through no fault of his own at St Marys, but his return would probably have been more than Osvaldo's? As for Fox? I know he has his critics, but he gives his all every time he pulls on the shirt. Maybe letting him go now isn't the best move? We all know he won't displace Shaw in the starting XI, but he is experienced cover, and we will need that as we get towards then end of the season. Shaw has had his injury problems already this season, so we need players who are naturally able to fill the void if he is out. We cant just rely on Chambers and Clyne. Not saying that in a negative way about their quality, but all it takes is an injury to either one of them and the squad will look very weak in defence (we all have reservations about the quality of back up for centre half anyway).

Surely the one we could do with coming of the bench is Puncheon! Despite the "bad egg" rumours he never used violence against his team mates.

Score: -2

Seedhouse the Unrepentant says...8:45am Thu 30 Jan 14

Osvaldo had clearly made no effort to get back in with the players, they are a so.id group who would forgiven him if he showed true remorse. He obviously suffers from wankeritis. If Juve want him give them easy payment terms. Fox is a surprise as Targett hadn't even been given the cup games. We know Clyne can do a good job on the left but Clyne, Chambers and Shaw is one too few full backs. Anyone else there real is makeshift like Cork or Yoshida. Rickie needs a very good run now. Carroll is back from injury but not firing yet and Roy will want to take one of these to Brazil.

Osvaldo had clearly made no effort to get back in with the players, they are a so.id group who would forgiven him if he showed true remorse. He obviously suffers from wankeritis. If Juve want him give them easy payment terms.
Fox is a surprise as Targett hadn't even been given the cup games. We know Clyne can do a good job on the left but Clyne, Chambers and Shaw is one too few full backs. Anyone else there real is makeshift like Cork or Yoshida.
Rickie needs a very good run now. Carroll is back from injury but not firing yet and Roy will want to take one of these to Brazil.Seedhouse the Unrepentant

Osvaldo had clearly made no effort to get back in with the players, they are a so.id group who would forgiven him if he showed true remorse. He obviously suffers from wankeritis. If Juve want him give them easy payment terms. Fox is a surprise as Targett hadn't even been given the cup games. We know Clyne can do a good job on the left but Clyne, Chambers and Shaw is one too few full backs. Anyone else there real is makeshift like Cork or Yoshida. Rickie needs a very good run now. Carroll is back from injury but not firing yet and Roy will want to take one of these to Brazil.

Score: 0

jls217 says...8:52am Thu 30 Jan 14

Gosport Red and White wrote…

deadly666 wrote…

Ok, so we all get that Osvaldo is going. It needs to happen. Firstly I feel he should issue a public apology to everyone connected with the club. If we are able to come out of this and break even, then that's the best thing that can happen. Its pretty obvious that we need to strengthen the attack. The last few matches have shown that. Jay Rod is playing his heart out, but what if he gets injured or suspended? Lambert must be carrying an injury? He hasn't been able to reproduce what he did last season. Gallagher is too unproven at this level at the moment, but its clear to see he has talent. Do Prado isn't the answer either. He did a very good job for us in the past, but I feel we have seen his best. So maybe a deal could be structured for a loan swap with Juventus? They must have a forward who needs first team football with the World Cup coming up? Foes it really matter if a loan player who has no intention of staying at saints was to come in? As long as the performances justify the decision to bring him in it can only benefit the club. Maybe letting Sharp go out to Doncaster isn't the best decision after all? Ok, so maybe he lost his way through no fault of his own at St Marys, but his return would probably have been more than Osvaldo's? As for Fox? I know he has his critics, but he gives his all every time he pulls on the shirt. Maybe letting him go now isn't the best move? We all know he won't displace Shaw in the starting XI, but he is experienced cover, and we will need that as we get towards then end of the season. Shaw has had his injury problems already this season, so we need players who are naturally able to fill the void if he is out. We cant just rely on Chambers and Clyne. Not saying that in a negative way about their quality, but all it takes is an injury to either one of them and the squad will look very weak in defence (we all have reservations about the quality of back up for centre half anyway).

Surely the one we could do with coming of the bench is Puncheon! Despite the "bad egg" rumours he never used violence against his team mates.

Has Puncheon gone with a recall clause on the loan? Could do worse than use him as a striker or wide player coming off the bench - he's capable of being a class act but shows it too rarely. Osvaldo has to go one way or the other. He's of an age he should be at his very best right now and we've not been shown it. We give him another year to settle in and suddenly he's close to the magic age of 30 and his resale value plummets. Good business all round to move him on. Maybe Juve have a young striker they can throw in as part of the deal - we can all only hope Poch can seal all this up in the short time left. He's in for a busy day I reckon.

[quote][p][bold]Gosport Red and White[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]deadly666[/bold] wrote:
Ok, so we all get that Osvaldo is going. It needs to happen. Firstly I feel he should issue a public apology to everyone connected with the club.
If we are able to come out of this and break even, then that's the best thing that can happen.
Its pretty obvious that we need to strengthen the attack. The last few matches have shown that. Jay Rod is playing his heart out, but what if he gets injured or suspended? Lambert must be carrying an injury? He hasn't been able to reproduce what he did last season. Gallagher is too unproven at this level at the moment, but its clear to see he has talent. Do Prado isn't the answer either. He did a very good job for us in the past, but I feel we have seen his best.
So maybe a deal could be structured for a loan swap with Juventus? They must have a forward who needs first team football with the World Cup coming up? Foes it really matter if a loan player who has no intention of staying at saints was to come in? As long as the performances justify the decision to bring him in it can only benefit the club.
Maybe letting Sharp go out to Doncaster isn't the best decision after all? Ok, so maybe he lost his way through no fault of his own at St Marys, but his return would probably have been more than Osvaldo's?
As for Fox? I know he has his critics, but he gives his all every time he pulls on the shirt. Maybe letting him go now isn't the best move? We all know he won't displace Shaw in the starting XI, but he is experienced cover, and we will need that as we get towards then end of the season. Shaw has had his injury problems already this season, so we need players who are naturally able to fill the void if he is out. We cant just rely on Chambers and Clyne. Not saying that in a negative way about their quality, but all it takes is an injury to either one of them and the squad will look very weak in defence (we all have reservations about the quality of back up for centre half anyway).[/p][/quote]Surely the one we could do with coming of the bench is Puncheon! Despite the "bad egg" rumours he never used violence against his team mates.[/p][/quote]Has Puncheon gone with a recall clause on the loan? Could do worse than use him as a striker or wide player coming off the bench - he's capable of being a class act but shows it too rarely. Osvaldo has to go one way or the other. He's of an age he should be at his very best right now and we've not been shown it. We give him another year to settle in and suddenly he's close to the magic age of 30 and his resale value plummets. Good business all round to move him on. Maybe Juve have a young striker they can throw in as part of the deal - we can all only hope Poch can seal all this up in the short time left. He's in for a busy day I reckon.jls217

Gosport Red and White wrote…

deadly666 wrote…

Ok, so we all get that Osvaldo is going. It needs to happen. Firstly I feel he should issue a public apology to everyone connected with the club. If we are able to come out of this and break even, then that's the best thing that can happen. Its pretty obvious that we need to strengthen the attack. The last few matches have shown that. Jay Rod is playing his heart out, but what if he gets injured or suspended? Lambert must be carrying an injury? He hasn't been able to reproduce what he did last season. Gallagher is too unproven at this level at the moment, but its clear to see he has talent. Do Prado isn't the answer either. He did a very good job for us in the past, but I feel we have seen his best. So maybe a deal could be structured for a loan swap with Juventus? They must have a forward who needs first team football with the World Cup coming up? Foes it really matter if a loan player who has no intention of staying at saints was to come in? As long as the performances justify the decision to bring him in it can only benefit the club. Maybe letting Sharp go out to Doncaster isn't the best decision after all? Ok, so maybe he lost his way through no fault of his own at St Marys, but his return would probably have been more than Osvaldo's? As for Fox? I know he has his critics, but he gives his all every time he pulls on the shirt. Maybe letting him go now isn't the best move? We all know he won't displace Shaw in the starting XI, but he is experienced cover, and we will need that as we get towards then end of the season. Shaw has had his injury problems already this season, so we need players who are naturally able to fill the void if he is out. We cant just rely on Chambers and Clyne. Not saying that in a negative way about their quality, but all it takes is an injury to either one of them and the squad will look very weak in defence (we all have reservations about the quality of back up for centre half anyway).

Surely the one we could do with coming of the bench is Puncheon! Despite the "bad egg" rumours he never used violence against his team mates.

Has Puncheon gone with a recall clause on the loan? Could do worse than use him as a striker or wide player coming off the bench - he's capable of being a class act but shows it too rarely. Osvaldo has to go one way or the other. He's of an age he should be at his very best right now and we've not been shown it. We give him another year to settle in and suddenly he's close to the magic age of 30 and his resale value plummets. Good business all round to move him on. Maybe Juve have a young striker they can throw in as part of the deal - we can all only hope Poch can seal all this up in the short time left. He's in for a busy day I reckon.

Score: 8

franiow says...8:59am Thu 30 Jan 14

Dani let us down...he didn't like the physical side by his own admission. Behaviour was disgraceful and obviously not popular with team. Bad egg...move him on.

Dani let us down...he didn't like the physical side by his own admission. Behaviour was disgraceful and obviously not popular with team. Bad egg...move him on.franiow

Dani let us down...he didn't like the physical side by his own admission. Behaviour was disgraceful and obviously not popular with team. Bad egg...move him on.

Score: 18

Bassett Boy says...9:04am Thu 30 Jan 14

if anyone else had nutted a colleague in the work place he'd be out the door immediately with the P45 following in the post. Certainly no second chance. Trouble with soccer players they are an investment, not just an employee so different rules apply. i think they should have placed him on transfer list straight away and suspended him indefinitely until we could offload him. Still, a lesson to be learned, don't sign anyone with a dodgy background they always resort to type.

if anyone else had nutted a colleague in the work place he'd be out the door immediately with the P45 following in the post. Certainly no second chance.
Trouble with soccer players they are an investment, not just an employee so different rules apply.
i think they should have placed him on transfer list straight away and suspended him indefinitely until we could offload him.
Still, a lesson to be learned, don't sign anyone with a dodgy background they always resort to type.Bassett Boy

if anyone else had nutted a colleague in the work place he'd be out the door immediately with the P45 following in the post. Certainly no second chance. Trouble with soccer players they are an investment, not just an employee so different rules apply. i think they should have placed him on transfer list straight away and suspended him indefinitely until we could offload him. Still, a lesson to be learned, don't sign anyone with a dodgy background they always resort to type.

Score: 4

JohnItaly says...9:08am Thu 30 Jan 14

Will be very surprised if a deal is not struck for Dani Osvaldo's move back to Italy clearly best for both parties. Whilst appreciating MoPo's connections with Spanish / Italian football I would prefer to see any replacement to come from Germany or Scandinavia as those players seem more able to adapt quickly to the Premiership than those from Southern Europe.

Will be very surprised if a deal is not struck for Dani Osvaldo's move back to Italy clearly best for both parties. Whilst appreciating MoPo's connections with Spanish / Italian football I would prefer to see any replacement to come from Germany or Scandinavia as those players seem more able to adapt quickly to the Premiership than those from Southern Europe.JohnItaly

Will be very surprised if a deal is not struck for Dani Osvaldo's move back to Italy clearly best for both parties. Whilst appreciating MoPo's connections with Spanish / Italian football I would prefer to see any replacement to come from Germany or Scandinavia as those players seem more able to adapt quickly to the Premiership than those from Southern Europe.

Score: 13

SPIKEISLANDTRADER says...9:12am Thu 30 Jan 14

BYE THEN Oz

BYE THEN OzSPIKEISLANDTRADER

BYE THEN Oz

Score: 4

therealredarmy says...9:33am Thu 30 Jan 14

@JohnItaly You wrong It's only Italian players only Zola succeed in the EPL. In my opinion Balotelli was shiiite in England. Only the French, German and Spanish do well in the EPL.

@JohnItaly
You wrong It's only Italian players only Zola succeed in the EPL. In my opinion Balotelli was shiiite in England. Only the French, German and Spanish do well in the EPL.therealredarmy

@JohnItaly You wrong It's only Italian players only Zola succeed in the EPL. In my opinion Balotelli was shiiite in England. Only the French, German and Spanish do well in the EPL.

Score: -8

swesaint says...9:50am Thu 30 Jan 14

JohnItaly wrote…

Will be very surprised if a deal is not struck for Dani Osvaldo's move back to Italy clearly best for both parties. Whilst appreciating MoPo's connections with Spanish / Italian football I would prefer to see any replacement to come from Germany or Scandinavia as those players seem more able to adapt quickly to the Premiership than those from Southern Europe.

Yes that Cornelius adapted real quick for Cardiff

[quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote:
Will be very surprised if a deal is not struck for Dani Osvaldo's move back to Italy clearly best for both parties. Whilst appreciating MoPo's connections with Spanish / Italian football I would prefer to see any replacement to come from Germany or Scandinavia as those players seem more able to adapt quickly to the Premiership than those from Southern Europe.[/p][/quote]Yes that Cornelius adapted real quick for Cardiffswesaint

JohnItaly wrote…

Will be very surprised if a deal is not struck for Dani Osvaldo's move back to Italy clearly best for both parties. Whilst appreciating MoPo's connections with Spanish / Italian football I would prefer to see any replacement to come from Germany or Scandinavia as those players seem more able to adapt quickly to the Premiership than those from Southern Europe.

Yes that Cornelius adapted real quick for Cardiff

Score: 0

JohnItaly says...9:57am Thu 30 Jan 14

therealredarmy wrote…

@JohnItaly You wrong It's only Italian players only Zola succeed in the EPL. In my opinion Balotelli was shiiite in England. Only the French, German and Spanish do well in the EPL.

I am very happy to stand to be corrected but any replacement, and we do need what I term a "natural striker" one who is adept at putting away the half chance, will have to hit the ground running. To succeed in the EPL, and beyond, a club needs a striker who will be knocking on the door of 20 goals a season.

[quote][p][bold]therealredarmy[/bold] wrote:
@JohnItaly
You wrong It's only Italian players only Zola succeed in the EPL. In my opinion Balotelli was shiiite in England. Only the French, German and Spanish do well in the EPL.[/p][/quote]I am very happy to stand to be corrected but any replacement, and we do need what I term a "natural striker" one who is adept at putting away the half chance, will have to hit the ground running. To succeed in the EPL, and beyond, a club needs a striker who will be knocking on the door of 20 goals a season.JohnItaly

therealredarmy wrote…

@JohnItaly You wrong It's only Italian players only Zola succeed in the EPL. In my opinion Balotelli was shiiite in England. Only the French, German and Spanish do well in the EPL.

I am very happy to stand to be corrected but any replacement, and we do need what I term a "natural striker" one who is adept at putting away the half chance, will have to hit the ground running. To succeed in the EPL, and beyond, a club needs a striker who will be knocking on the door of 20 goals a season.

Score: 4

SaintJD says...9:57am Thu 30 Jan 14

West Cork Saiint wrote…

Dani is clearly a good player, but with so many flops coming to the Premier League for big money, it makes you wonder if it is really fair that it is always a player from big clubs in Europe always win the Balon footballer of the year award. I mean Ronaldo is clearly a gifted player, but apart from Barcelona is he just playing in a good team mainly against Sunday League opposition? I digress. Definitely time to cash in and wish him the best of endeavours in the future and all that. Who knows, if he went out on loan and scores 20 goals in the Sunday league Serie A before the end of the season, we could get back more than we paid for him???

To be fair Ronaldo has proved he can do it in the Premier League, Spain and on the world stage. Even his 'can't play in big games' tag has been dispelled and he's by far the best in the world this season. Saying that the Spanish league is Sunday League standard is also a little bit wide of the mark, especially as whenever we have played average standard Spanish teams in pre-season we've usually got well out played. That said, the Italian league is of a lower standard and the style of play is completely different to the Premier League, which is why a lot of players from there seem to fail. There also seems to be a relaxed attitude to players that come from that league and, bizarrely, the only ones who seem to adapt well are ones that the Italians themselves don't seem to rate highly enough to put in their national team -regularly - Di Canio, Zola for instance. I'd say the hit rate from France in particular is much better in terms of adapting to the English game. Horses for courses I guess.

[quote][p][bold]West Cork Saiint[/bold] wrote:
Dani is clearly a good player, but with so many flops coming to the Premier League for big money, it makes you wonder if it is really fair that it is always a player from big clubs in Europe always win the Balon footballer of the year award. I mean Ronaldo is clearly a gifted player, but apart from Barcelona is he just playing in a good team mainly against Sunday League opposition? I digress. Definitely time to cash in and wish him the best of endeavours in the future and all that. Who knows, if he went out on loan and scores 20 goals in the Sunday league Serie A before the end of the season, we could get back more than we paid for him???[/p][/quote]To be fair Ronaldo has proved he can do it in the Premier League, Spain and on the world stage. Even his 'can't play in big games' tag has been dispelled and he's by far the best in the world this season.
Saying that the Spanish league is Sunday League standard is also a little bit wide of the mark, especially as whenever we have played average standard Spanish teams in pre-season we've usually got well out played.
That said, the Italian league is of a lower standard and the style of play is completely different to the Premier League, which is why a lot of players from there seem to fail.
There also seems to be a relaxed attitude to players that come from that league and, bizarrely, the only ones who seem to adapt well are ones that the Italians themselves don't seem to rate highly enough to put in their national team -regularly - Di Canio, Zola for instance.
I'd say the hit rate from France in particular is much better in terms of adapting to the English game. Horses for courses I guess.SaintJD

West Cork Saiint wrote…

Dani is clearly a good player, but with so many flops coming to the Premier League for big money, it makes you wonder if it is really fair that it is always a player from big clubs in Europe always win the Balon footballer of the year award. I mean Ronaldo is clearly a gifted player, but apart from Barcelona is he just playing in a good team mainly against Sunday League opposition? I digress. Definitely time to cash in and wish him the best of endeavours in the future and all that. Who knows, if he went out on loan and scores 20 goals in the Sunday league Serie A before the end of the season, we could get back more than we paid for him???

To be fair Ronaldo has proved he can do it in the Premier League, Spain and on the world stage. Even his 'can't play in big games' tag has been dispelled and he's by far the best in the world this season. Saying that the Spanish league is Sunday League standard is also a little bit wide of the mark, especially as whenever we have played average standard Spanish teams in pre-season we've usually got well out played. That said, the Italian league is of a lower standard and the style of play is completely different to the Premier League, which is why a lot of players from there seem to fail. There also seems to be a relaxed attitude to players that come from that league and, bizarrely, the only ones who seem to adapt well are ones that the Italians themselves don't seem to rate highly enough to put in their national team -regularly - Di Canio, Zola for instance. I'd say the hit rate from France in particular is much better in terms of adapting to the English game. Horses for courses I guess.

Score: 10

Blackknight says...10:04am Thu 30 Jan 14

Lets see the colour of their money.

Lets see the colour of their money.Blackknight

Lets see the colour of their money.

Score: 3

therealredarmy says...10:04am Thu 30 Jan 14

@therealredarmy Loic Remy who play now for Newcastle "on loan from QPR" that guy has everything we need pace, good balance and score goals and he's an international. He's capable to score 20 odd goals if he play with a good midfield ! He would fit really well at Southampton FC.

@therealredarmy
Loic Remy who play now for Newcastle "on loan from QPR" that guy has everything we need pace, good balance and score goals and he's an international. He's capable to score 20 odd goals if he play with a good midfield ! He would fit really well at Southampton FC.therealredarmy

@therealredarmy Loic Remy who play now for Newcastle "on loan from QPR" that guy has everything we need pace, good balance and score goals and he's an international. He's capable to score 20 odd goals if he play with a good midfield ! He would fit really well at Southampton FC.

Score: 8

Mush On The Beach says...10:22am Thu 30 Jan 14

therealredarmy wrote…

@JohnItaly You wrong It's only Italian players only Zola succeed in the EPL. In my opinion Balotelli was shiiite in England. Only the French, German and Spanish do well in the EPL.

[quote][p][bold]therealredarmy[/bold] wrote:
@JohnItaly
You wrong It's only Italian players only Zola succeed in the EPL. In my opinion Balotelli was shiiite in England. Only the French, German and Spanish do well in the EPL.[/p][/quote]Gianluca Vialli, Paolo Di Canio, Roberto Di Matteo and Benito Carbone weren’t too shabby.Mush On The Beach

therealredarmy wrote…

@JohnItaly You wrong It's only Italian players only Zola succeed in the EPL. In my opinion Balotelli was shiiite in England. Only the French, German and Spanish do well in the EPL.

If games were one only with possession, passing and chances created we would be almost Citeh's equal...however they are not, clearly we miss too high a percentage of chances but then again so do all the top teams, should of would of could of is not an excuse. Our problem is that we either panic or slow down in the last third, countless times I have screamed at the players to make a pass, shoot or cut inside instead they play tic a tac around the opponents box when we should go direct. Remember the semi final Barcelona V Chelsea, Barcelona were practically camped in Chelsea's half all game but Chelsea put everyone bar Drogba behind the ball and Barca could not score.... ..now if the best team in Europe cannot break down a defence what chance us when we give opponents too much time to recover... We feel that Osvaldo failed us and before that JRod yet in truth we do not continue the pace of our break up play in the final 3rd...the pressing game is highly effective at stopping opponents keeping the ball but knackering on us... Our opponents have time and again beaten us with breakaway goals, we need to become counter attack specialists too...we are in danger of confusing possession with winning...

If games were one only with possession, passing and chances created we would be almost Citeh's equal...however they are not, clearly we miss too high a percentage of chances but then again so do all the top teams, should of would of could of is not an excuse.
Our problem is that we either panic or slow down in the last third, countless times I have screamed at the players to make a pass, shoot or cut inside instead they play tic a tac around the opponents box when we should go direct.
Remember the semi final Barcelona V Chelsea, Barcelona were practically camped in Chelsea's half all game but Chelsea put everyone bar Drogba behind the ball and Barca could not score....
..now if the best team in Europe cannot break down a defence what chance us when we give opponents too much time to recover...
We feel that Osvaldo failed us and before that JRod yet in truth we do not continue the pace of our break up play in the final 3rd...the pressing game is highly effective at stopping opponents keeping the ball but knackering on us...
Our opponents have time and again beaten us with breakaway goals, we need to become counter attack specialists too...we are in danger of confusing possession with winning...warrens 76

If games were one only with possession, passing and chances created we would be almost Citeh's equal...however they are not, clearly we miss too high a percentage of chances but then again so do all the top teams, should of would of could of is not an excuse. Our problem is that we either panic or slow down in the last third, countless times I have screamed at the players to make a pass, shoot or cut inside instead they play tic a tac around the opponents box when we should go direct. Remember the semi final Barcelona V Chelsea, Barcelona were practically camped in Chelsea's half all game but Chelsea put everyone bar Drogba behind the ball and Barca could not score.... ..now if the best team in Europe cannot break down a defence what chance us when we give opponents too much time to recover... We feel that Osvaldo failed us and before that JRod yet in truth we do not continue the pace of our break up play in the final 3rd...the pressing game is highly effective at stopping opponents keeping the ball but knackering on us... Our opponents have time and again beaten us with breakaway goals, we need to become counter attack specialists too...we are in danger of confusing possession with winning...

Score: 5

bigfella777 says...10:53am Thu 30 Jan 14

therealredarmy wrote…

@JohnItaly You wrong It's only Italian players only Zola succeed in the EPL. In my opinion Balotelli was shiiite in England. Only the French, German and Spanish do well in the EPL.

[quote][p][bold]therealredarmy[/bold] wrote:
@JohnItaly
You wrong It's only Italian players only Zola succeed in the EPL. In my opinion Balotelli was shiiite in England. Only the French, German and Spanish do well in the EPL.[/p][/quote]Rubbish, what about the White Weather, Paulo Di Canio , Festa was tough as nails, Cudiccini, Carbone, Di Mateo, Vialli,bigfella777

therealredarmy wrote…

@JohnItaly You wrong It's only Italian players only Zola succeed in the EPL. In my opinion Balotelli was shiiite in England. Only the French, German and Spanish do well in the EPL.

Ok, so we all get that Osvaldo is going. It needs to happen. Firstly I feel he should issue a public apology to everyone connected with the club. If we are able to come out of this and break even, then that's the best thing that can happen. Its pretty obvious that we need to strengthen the attack. The last few matches have shown that. Jay Rod is playing his heart out, but what if he gets injured or suspended? Lambert must be carrying an injury? He hasn't been able to reproduce what he did last season. Gallagher is too unproven at this level at the moment, but its clear to see he has talent. Do Prado isn't the answer either. He did a very good job for us in the past, but I feel we have seen his best. So maybe a deal could be structured for a loan swap with Juventus? They must have a forward who needs first team football with the World Cup coming up? Foes it really matter if a loan player who has no intention of staying at saints was to come in? As long as the performances justify the decision to bring him in it can only benefit the club. Maybe letting Sharp go out to Doncaster isn't the best decision after all? Ok, so maybe he lost his way through no fault of his own at St Marys, but his return would probably have been more than Osvaldo's? As for Fox? I know he has his critics, but he gives his all every time he pulls on the shirt. Maybe letting him go now isn't the best move? We all know he won't displace Shaw in the starting XI, but he is experienced cover, and we will need that as we get towards then end of the season. Shaw has had his injury problems already this season, so we need players who are naturally able to fill the void if he is out. We cant just rely on Chambers and Clyne. Not saying that in a negative way about their quality, but all it takes is an injury to either one of them and the squad will look very weak in defence (we all have reservations about the quality of back up for centre half anyway).

Surely the one we could do with coming of the bench is Puncheon! Despite the "bad egg" rumours he never used violence against his team mates.

Has Puncheon gone with a recall clause on the loan? Could do worse than use him as a striker or wide player coming off the bench - he's capable of being a class act but shows it too rarely. Osvaldo has to go one way or the other. He's of an age he should be at his very best right now and we've not been shown it. We give him another year to settle in and suddenly he's close to the magic age of 30 and his resale value plummets. Good business all round to move him on. Maybe Juve have a young striker they can throw in as part of the deal - we can all only hope Poch can seal all this up in the short time left. He's in for a busy day I reckon.

Didn't think of that. Recalling Puncheon (if possible) could be a good move. It does seem strange the Tadanari Lee/Billy Sharp and even Lee Barnard weren't given the opportunity to show what they have to offer. Saints don't have the biggest squad, and anyone who could have offered something different may have been useful. Who knows....maybe MoPo has already identified a target and we will see a new face before the end of Friday?

[quote][p][bold]jls217[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Gosport Red and White[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]deadly666[/bold] wrote:
Ok, so we all get that Osvaldo is going. It needs to happen. Firstly I feel he should issue a public apology to everyone connected with the club.
If we are able to come out of this and break even, then that's the best thing that can happen.
Its pretty obvious that we need to strengthen the attack. The last few matches have shown that. Jay Rod is playing his heart out, but what if he gets injured or suspended? Lambert must be carrying an injury? He hasn't been able to reproduce what he did last season. Gallagher is too unproven at this level at the moment, but its clear to see he has talent. Do Prado isn't the answer either. He did a very good job for us in the past, but I feel we have seen his best.
So maybe a deal could be structured for a loan swap with Juventus? They must have a forward who needs first team football with the World Cup coming up? Foes it really matter if a loan player who has no intention of staying at saints was to come in? As long as the performances justify the decision to bring him in it can only benefit the club.
Maybe letting Sharp go out to Doncaster isn't the best decision after all? Ok, so maybe he lost his way through no fault of his own at St Marys, but his return would probably have been more than Osvaldo's?
As for Fox? I know he has his critics, but he gives his all every time he pulls on the shirt. Maybe letting him go now isn't the best move? We all know he won't displace Shaw in the starting XI, but he is experienced cover, and we will need that as we get towards then end of the season. Shaw has had his injury problems already this season, so we need players who are naturally able to fill the void if he is out. We cant just rely on Chambers and Clyne. Not saying that in a negative way about their quality, but all it takes is an injury to either one of them and the squad will look very weak in defence (we all have reservations about the quality of back up for centre half anyway).[/p][/quote]Surely the one we could do with coming of the bench is Puncheon! Despite the "bad egg" rumours he never used violence against his team mates.[/p][/quote]Has Puncheon gone with a recall clause on the loan? Could do worse than use him as a striker or wide player coming off the bench - he's capable of being a class act but shows it too rarely. Osvaldo has to go one way or the other. He's of an age he should be at his very best right now and we've not been shown it. We give him another year to settle in and suddenly he's close to the magic age of 30 and his resale value plummets. Good business all round to move him on. Maybe Juve have a young striker they can throw in as part of the deal - we can all only hope Poch can seal all this up in the short time left. He's in for a busy day I reckon.[/p][/quote]Didn't think of that. Recalling Puncheon (if possible) could be a good move.
It does seem strange the Tadanari Lee/Billy Sharp and even Lee Barnard weren't given the opportunity to show what they have to offer.
Saints don't have the biggest squad, and anyone who could have offered something different may have been useful.
Who knows....maybe MoPo has already identified a target and we will see a new face before the end of Friday?deadly666

jls217 wrote…

Gosport Red and White wrote…

deadly666 wrote…

Ok, so we all get that Osvaldo is going. It needs to happen. Firstly I feel he should issue a public apology to everyone connected with the club. If we are able to come out of this and break even, then that's the best thing that can happen. Its pretty obvious that we need to strengthen the attack. The last few matches have shown that. Jay Rod is playing his heart out, but what if he gets injured or suspended? Lambert must be carrying an injury? He hasn't been able to reproduce what he did last season. Gallagher is too unproven at this level at the moment, but its clear to see he has talent. Do Prado isn't the answer either. He did a very good job for us in the past, but I feel we have seen his best. So maybe a deal could be structured for a loan swap with Juventus? They must have a forward who needs first team football with the World Cup coming up? Foes it really matter if a loan player who has no intention of staying at saints was to come in? As long as the performances justify the decision to bring him in it can only benefit the club. Maybe letting Sharp go out to Doncaster isn't the best decision after all? Ok, so maybe he lost his way through no fault of his own at St Marys, but his return would probably have been more than Osvaldo's? As for Fox? I know he has his critics, but he gives his all every time he pulls on the shirt. Maybe letting him go now isn't the best move? We all know he won't displace Shaw in the starting XI, but he is experienced cover, and we will need that as we get towards then end of the season. Shaw has had his injury problems already this season, so we need players who are naturally able to fill the void if he is out. We cant just rely on Chambers and Clyne. Not saying that in a negative way about their quality, but all it takes is an injury to either one of them and the squad will look very weak in defence (we all have reservations about the quality of back up for centre half anyway).

Surely the one we could do with coming of the bench is Puncheon! Despite the "bad egg" rumours he never used violence against his team mates.

Has Puncheon gone with a recall clause on the loan? Could do worse than use him as a striker or wide player coming off the bench - he's capable of being a class act but shows it too rarely. Osvaldo has to go one way or the other. He's of an age he should be at his very best right now and we've not been shown it. We give him another year to settle in and suddenly he's close to the magic age of 30 and his resale value plummets. Good business all round to move him on. Maybe Juve have a young striker they can throw in as part of the deal - we can all only hope Poch can seal all this up in the short time left. He's in for a busy day I reckon.

Didn't think of that. Recalling Puncheon (if possible) could be a good move. It does seem strange the Tadanari Lee/Billy Sharp and even Lee Barnard weren't given the opportunity to show what they have to offer. Saints don't have the biggest squad, and anyone who could have offered something different may have been useful. Who knows....maybe MoPo has already identified a target and we will see a new face before the end of Friday?

Score: 2

el caballo santos101 says...10:58am Thu 30 Jan 14

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Osvaldo had clearly made no effort to get back in with the players, they are a so.id group who would forgiven him if he showed true remorse. He obviously suffers from wankeritis. If Juve want him give them easy payment terms. Fox is a surprise as Targett hadn't even been given the cup games. We know Clyne can do a good job on the left but Clyne, Chambers and Shaw is one too few full backs. Anyone else there real is makeshift like Cork or Yoshida. Rickie needs a very good run now. Carroll is back from injury but not firing yet and Roy will want to take one of these to Brazil.

Dani retweeted pics of Fontes goal celebrations from the saints twitter account the other day. only Fontes not lalla`s goal. why would he have done that? was a an attempt at the start of an apology to Fonte? or did he have another motive? still feel he has to go though as you never know if he will do it again. as for fox I know I`m in the minority but I think he should stay until the summer. the only reason that he might go is that forest might want someone now, if they cant get him they might look elsewhere and the summer move would then collapse. Fox might want out as well, why would he want to stay when he gets used as a scapegoat and is given lots of abuse by certain sections of SMS.

[quote][p][bold]Seedhouse the Unrepentant[/bold] wrote:
Osvaldo had clearly made no effort to get back in with the players, they are a so.id group who would forgiven him if he showed true remorse. He obviously suffers from wankeritis. If Juve want him give them easy payment terms.
Fox is a surprise as Targett hadn't even been given the cup games. We know Clyne can do a good job on the left but Clyne, Chambers and Shaw is one too few full backs. Anyone else there real is makeshift like Cork or Yoshida.
Rickie needs a very good run now. Carroll is back from injury but not firing yet and Roy will want to take one of these to Brazil.[/p][/quote]Dani retweeted pics of Fontes goal celebrations from the saints twitter account the other day. only Fontes not lalla`s goal. why would he have done that?
was a an attempt at the start of an apology to Fonte? or did he have another motive?
still feel he has to go though as you never know if he will do it again.
as for fox I know I`m in the minority but I think he should stay until the summer. the only reason that he might go is that forest might want someone now, if they cant get him they might look elsewhere and the summer move would then collapse. Fox might want out as well, why would he want to stay when he gets used as a scapegoat and is given lots of abuse by certain sections of SMS.el caballo santos101

Seedhouse the Unrepentant wrote…

Osvaldo had clearly made no effort to get back in with the players, they are a so.id group who would forgiven him if he showed true remorse. He obviously suffers from wankeritis. If Juve want him give them easy payment terms. Fox is a surprise as Targett hadn't even been given the cup games. We know Clyne can do a good job on the left but Clyne, Chambers and Shaw is one too few full backs. Anyone else there real is makeshift like Cork or Yoshida. Rickie needs a very good run now. Carroll is back from injury but not firing yet and Roy will want to take one of these to Brazil.

Dani retweeted pics of Fontes goal celebrations from the saints twitter account the other day. only Fontes not lalla`s goal. why would he have done that? was a an attempt at the start of an apology to Fonte? or did he have another motive? still feel he has to go though as you never know if he will do it again. as for fox I know I`m in the minority but I think he should stay until the summer. the only reason that he might go is that forest might want someone now, if they cant get him they might look elsewhere and the summer move would then collapse. Fox might want out as well, why would he want to stay when he gets used as a scapegoat and is given lots of abuse by certain sections of SMS.

[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]therealredarmy[/bold] wrote:
@JohnItaly
You wrong It's only Italian players only Zola succeed in the EPL. In my opinion Balotelli was shiiite in England. Only the French, German and Spanish do well in the EPL.[/p][/quote]Gianluca Vialli, Paolo Di Canio, Roberto Di Matteo and Benito Carbone weren’t too shabby.[/p][/quote]The BPL has moved on quite a lot in the last 10-15 years though.notaclue

Mush On The Beach wrote…

therealredarmy wrote…

@JohnItaly You wrong It's only Italian players only Zola succeed in the EPL. In my opinion Balotelli was shiiite in England. Only the French, German and Spanish do well in the EPL.

If games were one only with possession, passing and chances created we would be almost Citeh's equal...however they are not, clearly we miss too high a percentage of chances but then again so do all the top teams, should of would of could of is not an excuse. Our problem is that we either panic or slow down in the last third, countless times I have screamed at the players to make a pass, shoot or cut inside instead they play tic a tac around the opponents box when we should go direct. Remember the semi final Barcelona V Chelsea, Barcelona were practically camped in Chelsea's half all game but Chelsea put everyone bar Drogba behind the ball and Barca could not score.... ..now if the best team in Europe cannot break down a defence what chance us when we give opponents too much time to recover... We feel that Osvaldo failed us and before that JRod yet in truth we do not continue the pace of our break up play in the final 3rd...the pressing game is highly effective at stopping opponents keeping the ball but knackering on us... Our opponents have time and again beaten us with breakaway goals, we need to become counter attack specialists too...we are in danger of confusing possession with winning...

Should have, would have, could have.

[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote:
If games were one only with possession, passing and chances created we would be almost Citeh's equal...however they are not, clearly we miss too high a percentage of chances but then again so do all the top teams, should of would of could of is not an excuse.
Our problem is that we either panic or slow down in the last third, countless times I have screamed at the players to make a pass, shoot or cut inside instead they play tic a tac around the opponents box when we should go direct.
Remember the semi final Barcelona V Chelsea, Barcelona were practically camped in Chelsea's half all game but Chelsea put everyone bar Drogba behind the ball and Barca could not score....
..now if the best team in Europe cannot break down a defence what chance us when we give opponents too much time to recover...
We feel that Osvaldo failed us and before that JRod yet in truth we do not continue the pace of our break up play in the final 3rd...the pressing game is highly effective at stopping opponents keeping the ball but knackering on us...
Our opponents have time and again beaten us with breakaway goals, we need to become counter attack specialists too...we are in danger of confusing possession with winning...[/p][/quote]Should have, would have, could have.North Wales Saint

warrens 76 wrote…

If games were one only with possession, passing and chances created we would be almost Citeh's equal...however they are not, clearly we miss too high a percentage of chances but then again so do all the top teams, should of would of could of is not an excuse. Our problem is that we either panic or slow down in the last third, countless times I have screamed at the players to make a pass, shoot or cut inside instead they play tic a tac around the opponents box when we should go direct. Remember the semi final Barcelona V Chelsea, Barcelona were practically camped in Chelsea's half all game but Chelsea put everyone bar Drogba behind the ball and Barca could not score.... ..now if the best team in Europe cannot break down a defence what chance us when we give opponents too much time to recover... We feel that Osvaldo failed us and before that JRod yet in truth we do not continue the pace of our break up play in the final 3rd...the pressing game is highly effective at stopping opponents keeping the ball but knackering on us... Our opponents have time and again beaten us with breakaway goals, we need to become counter attack specialists too...we are in danger of confusing possession with winning...

Should have, would have, could have.

Score: -1

Positively4thStreet says...11:58am Thu 30 Jan 14

Bassett Boy wrote…

if anyone else had nutted a colleague in the work place he'd be out the door immediately with the P45 following in the post. Certainly no second chance. Trouble with soccer players they are an investment, not just an employee so different rules apply. i think they should have placed him on transfer list straight away and suspended him indefinitely until we could offload him. Still, a lesson to be learned, don't sign anyone with a dodgy background they always resort to type.

Not to mention an assault charge.

[quote][p][bold]Bassett Boy[/bold] wrote:
if anyone else had nutted a colleague in the work place he'd be out the door immediately with the P45 following in the post. Certainly no second chance.
Trouble with soccer players they are an investment, not just an employee so different rules apply.
i think they should have placed him on transfer list straight away and suspended him indefinitely until we could offload him.
Still, a lesson to be learned, don't sign anyone with a dodgy background they always resort to type.[/p][/quote]Not to mention an assault charge.Positively4thStreet

Bassett Boy wrote…

if anyone else had nutted a colleague in the work place he'd be out the door immediately with the P45 following in the post. Certainly no second chance. Trouble with soccer players they are an investment, not just an employee so different rules apply. i think they should have placed him on transfer list straight away and suspended him indefinitely until we could offload him. Still, a lesson to be learned, don't sign anyone with a dodgy background they always resort to type.

Not to mention an assault charge.

Score: 2

warrens 76 says...12:24pm Thu 30 Jan 14

North Wales Saint wrote…

warrens 76 wrote…

If games were one only with possession, passing and chances created we would be almost Citeh's equal...however they are not, clearly we miss too high a percentage of chances but then again so do all the top teams, should of would of could of is not an excuse. Our problem is that we either panic or slow down in the last third, countless times I have screamed at the players to make a pass, shoot or cut inside instead they play tic a tac around the opponents box when we should go direct. Remember the semi final Barcelona V Chelsea, Barcelona were practically camped in Chelsea's half all game but Chelsea put everyone bar Drogba behind the ball and Barca could not score.... ..now if the best team in Europe cannot break down a defence what chance us when we give opponents too much time to recover... We feel that Osvaldo failed us and before that JRod yet in truth we do not continue the pace of our break up play in the final 3rd...the pressing game is highly effective at stopping opponents keeping the ball but knackering on us... Our opponents have time and again beaten us with breakaway goals, we need to become counter attack specialists too...we are in danger of confusing possession with winning...

Should have, would have, could have.

Correct …indeed I posted similar comments correctly a while ago..

[quote][p][bold]North Wales Saint[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]warrens 76[/bold] wrote:
If games were one only with possession, passing and chances created we would be almost Citeh's equal...however they are not, clearly we miss too high a percentage of chances but then again so do all the top teams, should of would of could of is not an excuse.
Our problem is that we either panic or slow down in the last third, countless times I have screamed at the players to make a pass, shoot or cut inside instead they play tic a tac around the opponents box when we should go direct.
Remember the semi final Barcelona V Chelsea, Barcelona were practically camped in Chelsea's half all game but Chelsea put everyone bar Drogba behind the ball and Barca could not score....
..now if the best team in Europe cannot break down a defence what chance us when we give opponents too much time to recover...
We feel that Osvaldo failed us and before that JRod yet in truth we do not continue the pace of our break up play in the final 3rd...the pressing game is highly effective at stopping opponents keeping the ball but knackering on us...
Our opponents have time and again beaten us with breakaway goals, we need to become counter attack specialists too...we are in danger of confusing possession with winning...[/p][/quote]Should have, would have, could have.[/p][/quote]Correct …indeed I posted similar comments correctly a while ago..warrens 76

North Wales Saint wrote…

warrens 76 wrote…

If games were one only with possession, passing and chances created we would be almost Citeh's equal...however they are not, clearly we miss too high a percentage of chances but then again so do all the top teams, should of would of could of is not an excuse. Our problem is that we either panic or slow down in the last third, countless times I have screamed at the players to make a pass, shoot or cut inside instead they play tic a tac around the opponents box when we should go direct. Remember the semi final Barcelona V Chelsea, Barcelona were practically camped in Chelsea's half all game but Chelsea put everyone bar Drogba behind the ball and Barca could not score.... ..now if the best team in Europe cannot break down a defence what chance us when we give opponents too much time to recover... We feel that Osvaldo failed us and before that JRod yet in truth we do not continue the pace of our break up play in the final 3rd...the pressing game is highly effective at stopping opponents keeping the ball but knackering on us... Our opponents have time and again beaten us with breakaway goals, we need to become counter attack specialists too...we are in danger of confusing possession with winning...

Should have, would have, could have.

Correct …indeed I posted similar comments correctly a while ago..

Score: 1

Costa Baz says...12:27pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Chriops wrote…

Poch said one in, one out. Fox has gone to Forrest Could it be Dani is going nowhere?

Did MP say "one in, one out"? I thought his response, when being asked on Sky, about transfers happening, was "probably". When asked " in or out", his reply was "in AND out". Don't recall quantities being mentioned, so anything could happen. Maybe I misheard?

[quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote:
Poch said one in, one out.
Fox has gone to Forrest
Could it be Dani is going nowhere?[/p][/quote]Did MP say "one in, one out"?
I thought his response, when being asked on Sky, about transfers happening, was "probably".
When asked " in or out", his reply was "in AND out".
Don't recall quantities being mentioned, so anything could happen. Maybe I misheard?Costa Baz

Chriops wrote…

Poch said one in, one out. Fox has gone to Forrest Could it be Dani is going nowhere?

Did MP say "one in, one out"? I thought his response, when being asked on Sky, about transfers happening, was "probably". When asked " in or out", his reply was "in AND out". Don't recall quantities being mentioned, so anything could happen. Maybe I misheard?

Score: 0

el caballo santos101 says...12:32pm Thu 30 Jan 14

notaclue wrote…

Mush On The Beach wrote…

therealredarmy wrote…

@JohnItaly You wrong It's only Italian players only Zola succeed in the EPL. In my opinion Balotelli was shiiite in England. Only the French, German and Spanish do well in the EPL.

[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]therealredarmy[/bold] wrote:
@JohnItaly
You wrong It's only Italian players only Zola succeed in the EPL. In my opinion Balotelli was shiiite in England. Only the French, German and Spanish do well in the EPL.[/p][/quote]Gianluca Vialli, Paolo Di Canio, Roberto Di Matteo and Benito Carbone weren’t too shabby.[/p][/quote]The BPL has moved on quite a lot in the last 10-15 years though.[/p][/quote]its the English premier league not British premier league.el caballo santos101

notaclue wrote…

Mush On The Beach wrote…

therealredarmy wrote…

@JohnItaly You wrong It's only Italian players only Zola succeed in the EPL. In my opinion Balotelli was shiiite in England. Only the French, German and Spanish do well in the EPL.

I think if Dani is not committed and if his staying around will negatively impact on what is fantastic team spirit then he needs to go..either on loan and hopefully recoup more money in the summer or just go. As for Danny Fox, I feel for the guy as he is often villified but at the same time he would often make schoolboy errors I think this just showed he is not premier level but I do hope he enjoys his football at forest and gets a chance to shine. Following on from some other threads we seem to have struggled in recent weeks in either not fully killing the game off or by conceding soft goals. I think this underlines more depth and quality in terms of defence and striking options but I'd rather us wait until the summer for the right players if they are not available now rather than be held to ransom for a player who is unproven. Anyway lets get a result Saturday, I still think we can overturn Newcastle and finish 8th with a good cup run!

I think if Dani is not committed and if his staying around will negatively impact on what is fantastic team spirit then he needs to go..either on loan and hopefully recoup more money in the summer or just go. As for Danny Fox, I feel for the guy as he is often villified but at the same time he would often make schoolboy errors I think this just showed he is not premier level but I do hope he enjoys his football at forest and gets a chance to shine. Following on from some other threads we seem to have struggled in recent weeks in either not fully killing the game off or by conceding soft goals. I think this underlines more depth and quality in terms of defence and striking options but I'd rather us wait until the summer for the right players if they are not available now rather than be held to ransom for a player who is unproven. Anyway lets get a result Saturday, I still think we can overturn Newcastle and finish 8th with a good cup run!bathsaints

I think if Dani is not committed and if his staying around will negatively impact on what is fantastic team spirit then he needs to go..either on loan and hopefully recoup more money in the summer or just go. As for Danny Fox, I feel for the guy as he is often villified but at the same time he would often make schoolboy errors I think this just showed he is not premier level but I do hope he enjoys his football at forest and gets a chance to shine. Following on from some other threads we seem to have struggled in recent weeks in either not fully killing the game off or by conceding soft goals. I think this underlines more depth and quality in terms of defence and striking options but I'd rather us wait until the summer for the right players if they are not available now rather than be held to ransom for a player who is unproven. Anyway lets get a result Saturday, I still think we can overturn Newcastle and finish 8th with a good cup run!

Score: 0

Mush On The Beach says...12:36pm Thu 30 Jan 14

el caballo santos101 wrote…

notaclue wrote…

Mush On The Beach wrote…

therealredarmy wrote…

@JohnItaly You wrong It's only Italian players only Zola succeed in the EPL. In my opinion Balotelli was shiiite in England. Only the French, German and Spanish do well in the EPL.

@therealredarmy If you are saying players of that ilk wouldn’t cut in the prem today then I would disagree. I think good technical players are versatile and can adapt to the situation no matter where they are from and what league they are put into. Having said that, there are no guarantees in key goal scoring position signings and it looks like we got our fingers burnt with Osvaldo. Using Chelski as an example, for every Drogba there are far more Shevchenko and Torres results in the expensive deficit ledger.

[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]notaclue[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mush On The Beach[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]therealredarmy[/bold] wrote:
@JohnItaly
You wrong It's only Italian players only Zola succeed in the EPL. In my opinion Balotelli was shiiite in England. Only the French, German and Spanish do well in the EPL.[/p][/quote]Gianluca Vialli, Paolo Di Canio, Roberto Di Matteo and Benito Carbone weren’t too shabby.[/p][/quote]The BPL has moved on quite a lot in the last 10-15 years though.[/p][/quote]its the English premier league not British premier league.[/p][/quote]@therealredarmy
If you are saying players of that ilk wouldn’t cut in the prem today then I would disagree. I think good technical players are versatile and can adapt to the situation no matter where they are from and what league they are put into.
Having said that, there are no guarantees in key goal scoring position signings and it looks like we got our fingers burnt with Osvaldo. Using Chelski as an example, for every Drogba there are far more Shevchenko and Torres results in the expensive deficit ledger.Mush On The Beach

el caballo santos101 wrote…

notaclue wrote…

Mush On The Beach wrote…

therealredarmy wrote…

@JohnItaly You wrong It's only Italian players only Zola succeed in the EPL. In my opinion Balotelli was shiiite in England. Only the French, German and Spanish do well in the EPL.

@therealredarmy If you are saying players of that ilk wouldn’t cut in the prem today then I would disagree. I think good technical players are versatile and can adapt to the situation no matter where they are from and what league they are put into. Having said that, there are no guarantees in key goal scoring position signings and it looks like we got our fingers burnt with Osvaldo. Using Chelski as an example, for every Drogba there are far more Shevchenko and Torres results in the expensive deficit ledger.

Score: 2

El Santo says...12:38pm Thu 30 Jan 14

JohnItaly wrote…

Will be very surprised if a deal is not struck for Dani Osvaldo's move back to Italy clearly best for both parties. Whilst appreciating MoPo's connections with Spanish / Italian football I would prefer to see any replacement to come from Germany or Scandinavia as those players seem more able to adapt quickly to the Premiership than those from Southern Europe.

[quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote:
Will be very surprised if a deal is not struck for Dani Osvaldo's move back to Italy clearly best for both parties. Whilst appreciating MoPo's connections with Spanish / Italian football I would prefer to see any replacement to come from Germany or Scandinavia as those players seem more able to adapt quickly to the Premiership than those from Southern Europe.[/p][/quote]Silva, Mata, Torres, Ronaldo, Negredo, Soldado, Xabi Alonso, Carvalho, Navas, Arteta, Cazorla, Fabregas, Reina, De Gea, Azpilicueta, Monreal... hmmm... you are absolutely right!!!El Santo

JohnItaly wrote…

Will be very surprised if a deal is not struck for Dani Osvaldo's move back to Italy clearly best for both parties. Whilst appreciating MoPo's connections with Spanish / Italian football I would prefer to see any replacement to come from Germany or Scandinavia as those players seem more able to adapt quickly to the Premiership than those from Southern Europe.

Fox has gone to forest, loan until summer and then a full transfer. well done danny, you played your part in getting the mighty saints climb back to the prem, and for that I thank you. the prem may have been a step to far for you, but that's not your fault. I will never understand why fans of the club you play for feel the need to aim personal abuse at you just for being picked to do your job.

Fox has gone to forest, loan until summer and then a full transfer.
well done danny, you played your part in getting the mighty saints climb back to the prem, and for that I thank you.
the prem may have been a step to far for you, but that's not your fault. I will never understand why fans of the club you play for feel the need to aim personal abuse at you just for being picked to do your job.el caballo santos101

Fox has gone to forest, loan until summer and then a full transfer. well done danny, you played your part in getting the mighty saints climb back to the prem, and for that I thank you. the prem may have been a step to far for you, but that's not your fault. I will never understand why fans of the club you play for feel the need to aim personal abuse at you just for being picked to do your job.

Score: 7

kiddynamite says...12:41pm Thu 30 Jan 14

hope Fonte arranges a leaving do! Good riddance to the the greasy Salad! Its just a shame Liebher wasted all that money, Everyone knew he was a tosser long before he came to Southampton. This idiot just about sums up football in England.

hope Fonte arranges a leaving do! Good riddance to the the greasy Salad!
Its just a shame Liebher wasted all that money, Everyone knew he was a tosser long before he came to Southampton.
This idiot just about sums up football in England.kiddynamite

hope Fonte arranges a leaving do! Good riddance to the the greasy Salad! Its just a shame Liebher wasted all that money, Everyone knew he was a tosser long before he came to Southampton. This idiot just about sums up football in England.

Score: -14

lowe esteem says...12:43pm Thu 30 Jan 14

bigfella777 wrote…

8M is a joke trying to take advantage.straight swap for this vucunic fella then

Car Sales Talk Again? Would like to see him follow Wet Sam wherever, guaranteed to take a clobbering and lose it, whether in The Championship next year, or up against our mettle later in the season-interesting, I think Dani boy may opt for 'home'

[quote][p][bold]bigfella777[/bold] wrote:
8M is a joke trying to take advantage.straight swap for this vucunic fella then[/p][/quote]Car Sales Talk Again?
Would like to see him follow Wet Sam wherever, guaranteed to take a clobbering and lose it, whether in The Championship next year, or up against our mettle later in the season-interesting, I think Dani boy may opt for 'home'lowe esteem

bigfella777 wrote…

8M is a joke trying to take advantage.straight swap for this vucunic fella then

Car Sales Talk Again? Would like to see him follow Wet Sam wherever, guaranteed to take a clobbering and lose it, whether in The Championship next year, or up against our mettle later in the season-interesting, I think Dani boy may opt for 'home'

Score: -1

lowe esteem says...12:44pm Thu 30 Jan 14

good luck to the decent Danny if he goes to Forest

good luck to the decent Danny if he goes to Forestlowe esteem

good luck to the decent Danny if he goes to Forest

Score: 8

DisplacedFan says...12:44pm Thu 30 Jan 14

therealredarmy wrote…

@therealredarmy Loic Remy who play now for Newcastle "on loan from QPR" that guy has everything we need pace, good balance and score goals and he's an international. He's capable to score 20 odd goals if he play with a good midfield ! He would fit really well at Southampton FC.

Salary way too high.

[quote][p][bold]therealredarmy[/bold] wrote:
@therealredarmy
Loic Remy who play now for Newcastle "on loan from QPR" that guy has everything we need pace, good balance and score goals and he's an international. He's capable to score 20 odd goals if he play with a good midfield ! He would fit really well at Southampton FC.[/p][/quote]Salary way too high.DisplacedFan

therealredarmy wrote…

@therealredarmy Loic Remy who play now for Newcastle "on loan from QPR" that guy has everything we need pace, good balance and score goals and he's an international. He's capable to score 20 odd goals if he play with a good midfield ! He would fit really well at Southampton FC.

Salary way too high.

Score: 0

DisplacedFan says...12:47pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Positively4thStreet wrote…

Bassett Boy wrote…

if anyone else had nutted a colleague in the work place he'd be out the door immediately with the P45 following in the post. Certainly no second chance. Trouble with soccer players they are an investment, not just an employee so different rules apply. i think they should have placed him on transfer list straight away and suspended him indefinitely until we could offload him. Still, a lesson to be learned, don't sign anyone with a dodgy background they always resort to type.

Not to mention an assault charge.

Was he never even spoken to by the police? What if he had done that to NC?

[quote][p][bold]Positively4thStreet[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Boy[/bold] wrote:
if anyone else had nutted a colleague in the work place he'd be out the door immediately with the P45 following in the post. Certainly no second chance.
Trouble with soccer players they are an investment, not just an employee so different rules apply.
i think they should have placed him on transfer list straight away and suspended him indefinitely until we could offload him.
Still, a lesson to be learned, don't sign anyone with a dodgy background they always resort to type.[/p][/quote]Not to mention an assault charge.[/p][/quote]Was he never even spoken to by the police? What if he had done that to NC?DisplacedFan

Positively4thStreet wrote…

Bassett Boy wrote…

if anyone else had nutted a colleague in the work place he'd be out the door immediately with the P45 following in the post. Certainly no second chance. Trouble with soccer players they are an investment, not just an employee so different rules apply. i think they should have placed him on transfer list straight away and suspended him indefinitely until we could offload him. Still, a lesson to be learned, don't sign anyone with a dodgy background they always resort to type.

Not to mention an assault charge.

Was he never even spoken to by the police? What if he had done that to NC?

Score: -2

saintmicky says...1:09pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Tony in Liberia wrote…

I thought Dani would come good for us, but I think the players have made it obvious that there's no way back for him. Good business if it comes off, and we have Sam ready to step in. Since we aren't likely to move very far either way in the table, it makes some sense to use the rest of the season to bed him in properly without much pressure on his shoulders. Interesting end-bit; if we are shipping out Danny Fox - and I think we probably all agree that he's probably better suited to the Champ - who do we have as cover for Luke? Does this mean that Poch thinks Taggart is the left-side equivalent of Chambers? Or are they thinking of getting in a new left back? Time will tell! But I think Fox did a job for us, and I'd like to thank him for it. It can't be easy being an experienced International pro, even if it is for Scotland, and knowing that you are the understudy to a kid, even if that kid is someone as good as Shaw. And maybe, just maybe, the reason he gave the negative impressions that he did are based on the team being set up to utilise Luke's prime skills, which he didn't have, and the other players not being able to adapt their game to what he brought to the party? Just a thought ...

Probably the only sensible evaluation of the Fox scenario ever voiced on this forum!

[quote][p][bold]Tony in Liberia[/bold] wrote:
I thought Dani would come good for us, but I think the players have made it obvious that there's no way back for him. Good business if it comes off, and we have Sam ready to step in. Since we aren't likely to move very far either way in the table, it makes some sense to use the rest of the season to bed him in properly without much pressure on his shoulders.
Interesting end-bit; if we are shipping out Danny Fox - and I think we probably all agree that he's probably better suited to the Champ - who do we have as cover for Luke? Does this mean that Poch thinks Taggart is the left-side equivalent of Chambers? Or are they thinking of getting in a new left back? Time will tell!
But I think Fox did a job for us, and I'd like to thank him for it. It can't be easy being an experienced International pro, even if it is for Scotland, and knowing that you are the understudy to a kid, even if that kid is someone as good as Shaw.
And maybe, just maybe, the reason he gave the negative impressions that he did are based on the team being set up to utilise Luke's prime skills, which he didn't have, and the other players not being able to adapt their game to what he brought to the party? Just a thought ...[/p][/quote]Probably the only sensible evaluation of the Fox scenario ever voiced on this forum!saintmicky

Tony in Liberia wrote…

I thought Dani would come good for us, but I think the players have made it obvious that there's no way back for him. Good business if it comes off, and we have Sam ready to step in. Since we aren't likely to move very far either way in the table, it makes some sense to use the rest of the season to bed him in properly without much pressure on his shoulders. Interesting end-bit; if we are shipping out Danny Fox - and I think we probably all agree that he's probably better suited to the Champ - who do we have as cover for Luke? Does this mean that Poch thinks Taggart is the left-side equivalent of Chambers? Or are they thinking of getting in a new left back? Time will tell! But I think Fox did a job for us, and I'd like to thank him for it. It can't be easy being an experienced International pro, even if it is for Scotland, and knowing that you are the understudy to a kid, even if that kid is someone as good as Shaw. And maybe, just maybe, the reason he gave the negative impressions that he did are based on the team being set up to utilise Luke's prime skills, which he didn't have, and the other players not being able to adapt their game to what he brought to the party? Just a thought ...

Probably the only sensible evaluation of the Fox scenario ever voiced on this forum!

Score: 4

Little Hitler says...1:18pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Other than his red card against West Brom last season, I don't think we can be too critical of Danny Fox. He clearly isn't Premier League quality in my opinion but then it was never his fault for being picked. Good luck Danny.

Other than his red card against West Brom last season, I don't think we can be too critical of Danny Fox. He clearly isn't Premier League quality in my opinion but then it was never his fault for being picked.
Good luck Danny.Little Hitler

Other than his red card against West Brom last season, I don't think we can be too critical of Danny Fox. He clearly isn't Premier League quality in my opinion but then it was never his fault for being picked. Good luck Danny.

Score: 0

City Saint says...1:55pm Thu 30 Jan 14

therealredarmy wrote…

@JohnItaly You wrong It's only Italian players only Zola succeed in the EPL. In my opinion Balotelli was shiiite in England. Only the French, German and Spanish do well in the EPL.

Ravanelli? Di Matteo?

[quote][p][bold]therealredarmy[/bold] wrote:
@JohnItaly
You wrong It's only Italian players only Zola succeed in the EPL. In my opinion Balotelli was shiiite in England. Only the French, German and Spanish do well in the EPL.[/p][/quote]Ravanelli? Di Matteo?City Saint

therealredarmy wrote…

@JohnItaly You wrong It's only Italian players only Zola succeed in the EPL. In my opinion Balotelli was shiiite in England. Only the French, German and Spanish do well in the EPL.

Ravanelli? Di Matteo?

Score: 0

just kidding says...2:24pm Thu 30 Jan 14

el caballo santos101 wrote…

Fox has gone to forest, loan until summer and then a full transfer. well done danny, you played your part in getting the mighty saints climb back to the prem, and for that I thank you. the prem may have been a step to far for you, but that's not your fault. I will never understand why fans of the club you play for feel the need to aim personal abuse at you just for being picked to do your job.

I agree with you whole heartedly on this. I can never understand what this type of fan is trying to achieve when he or she is abusive to their own players. I just wish they would stop doing it and focus on supporting which after all in the grand scheme of things is about the only way we as supporters can influence the game. On the other hand when I watch Saints play on the TV especially at away games, I am blown away by the vocal support coming from our fans. I swear you can actually see how it lifts the players. That's the way to do it. And congrats to Foxy you did us proud.

[quote][p][bold]el caballo santos101[/bold] wrote:
Fox has gone to forest, loan until summer and then a full transfer.
well done danny, you played your part in getting the mighty saints climb back to the prem, and for that I thank you.
the prem may have been a step to far for you, but that's not your fault. I will never understand why fans of the club you play for feel the need to aim personal abuse at you just for being picked to do your job.[/p][/quote]I agree with you whole heartedly on this. I can never understand what this type of fan is trying to achieve when he or she is abusive to their own players. I just wish they would stop doing it and focus on supporting which after all in the grand scheme of things is about the only way we as supporters can influence the game. On the other hand when I watch Saints play on the TV especially at away games, I am blown away by the vocal support coming from our fans. I swear you can actually see how it lifts the players. That's the way to do it. And congrats to Foxy you did us proud.just kidding

el caballo santos101 wrote…

Fox has gone to forest, loan until summer and then a full transfer. well done danny, you played your part in getting the mighty saints climb back to the prem, and for that I thank you. the prem may have been a step to far for you, but that's not your fault. I will never understand why fans of the club you play for feel the need to aim personal abuse at you just for being picked to do your job.

I agree with you whole heartedly on this. I can never understand what this type of fan is trying to achieve when he or she is abusive to their own players. I just wish they would stop doing it and focus on supporting which after all in the grand scheme of things is about the only way we as supporters can influence the game. On the other hand when I watch Saints play on the TV especially at away games, I am blown away by the vocal support coming from our fans. I swear you can actually see how it lifts the players. That's the way to do it. And congrats to Foxy you did us proud.

Score: 3

Outside of the Box says...2:26pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Personally I don't want him to go, he's an Italian international and has obvious class, only weeks ago most on here were raving about his goal against Man C bust ups on the training ground happen all the time. We don't have anyone of Dani's calibre to replace him. yes Sam Gallagher is good, but one for the future, Rickie is struggling and was even before his injury, Jay Rod has a place in the team anyway. Do we let him and panic buy or Do we keep him and re-introduce back on Monday morning, for me keep him. As for Danny Fox, my doctor is happy is off to Forest, it will reduce my stress levels, blood pressure and I won't be having any more near heart attacks everytime he's given the ball.

Personally I don't want him to go, he's an Italian international and has obvious class, only weeks ago most on here were raving about his goal against Man C bust ups on the training ground happen all the time.
We don't have anyone of Dani's calibre to replace him. yes Sam Gallagher is good, but one for the future, Rickie is struggling and was even before his injury, Jay Rod has a place in the team anyway.
Do we let him and panic buy or Do we keep him and re-introduce back on Monday morning, for me keep him.
As for Danny Fox, my doctor is happy is off to Forest, it will reduce my stress levels, blood pressure and I won't be having any more near heart attacks everytime he's given the ball.Outside of the Box

Personally I don't want him to go, he's an Italian international and has obvious class, only weeks ago most on here were raving about his goal against Man C bust ups on the training ground happen all the time. We don't have anyone of Dani's calibre to replace him. yes Sam Gallagher is good, but one for the future, Rickie is struggling and was even before his injury, Jay Rod has a place in the team anyway. Do we let him and panic buy or Do we keep him and re-introduce back on Monday morning, for me keep him. As for Danny Fox, my doctor is happy is off to Forest, it will reduce my stress levels, blood pressure and I won't be having any more near heart attacks everytime he's given the ball.

Score: 0

Harby says...2:31pm Thu 30 Jan 14

On another note, with Fox leaving, only Guly remains for the moaning classes (I include myself at times) to have a go at. Are there any new candidates you experts on these matters can bring forward?!

On another note, with Fox leaving, only Guly remains for the moaning classes (I include myself at times) to have a go at. Are there any new candidates you experts on these matters can bring forward?!Harby

On another note, with Fox leaving, only Guly remains for the moaning classes (I include myself at times) to have a go at. Are there any new candidates you experts on these matters can bring forward?!

Score: -3

SaintJD says...2:43pm Thu 30 Jan 14

El Santo wrote…

JohnItaly wrote…

Will be very surprised if a deal is not struck for Dani Osvaldo's move back to Italy clearly best for both parties. Whilst appreciating MoPo's connections with Spanish / Italian football I would prefer to see any replacement to come from Germany or Scandinavia as those players seem more able to adapt quickly to the Premiership than those from Southern Europe.

Did you include Soldado by mistake :) Have to say I'm surprised we've not gone for any Spanish league or Argentinian players (assuming we don't count Osvaldo due to the fact he was playing in Italy when we signed him and is officially Italian). I'd have thought MP would have had some players he knows could cut it from that league, especially as he was quite shrewd. Will be interesting to see if the focus of our scouts changes now NC is gone, because we did seem to look towards Italy a lot.

[quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote:
Will be very surprised if a deal is not struck for Dani Osvaldo's move back to Italy clearly best for both parties. Whilst appreciating MoPo's connections with Spanish / Italian football I would prefer to see any replacement to come from Germany or Scandinavia as those players seem more able to adapt quickly to the Premiership than those from Southern Europe.[/p][/quote]Silva, Mata, Torres, Ronaldo, Negredo, Soldado, Xabi Alonso, Carvalho, Navas, Arteta, Cazorla, Fabregas, Reina, De Gea, Azpilicueta, Monreal... hmmm... you are absolutely right!!![/p][/quote]Did you include Soldado by mistake :)
Have to say I'm surprised we've not gone for any Spanish league or Argentinian players (assuming we don't count Osvaldo due to the fact he was playing in Italy when we signed him and is officially Italian). I'd have thought MP would have had some players he knows could cut it from that league, especially as he was quite shrewd.
Will be interesting to see if the focus of our scouts changes now NC is gone, because we did seem to look towards Italy a lot.SaintJD

El Santo wrote…

JohnItaly wrote…

Will be very surprised if a deal is not struck for Dani Osvaldo's move back to Italy clearly best for both parties. Whilst appreciating MoPo's connections with Spanish / Italian football I would prefer to see any replacement to come from Germany or Scandinavia as those players seem more able to adapt quickly to the Premiership than those from Southern Europe.

Did you include Soldado by mistake :) Have to say I'm surprised we've not gone for any Spanish league or Argentinian players (assuming we don't count Osvaldo due to the fact he was playing in Italy when we signed him and is officially Italian). I'd have thought MP would have had some players he knows could cut it from that league, especially as he was quite shrewd. Will be interesting to see if the focus of our scouts changes now NC is gone, because we did seem to look towards Italy a lot.

Score: 1

SeladorAlexander says...2:44pm Thu 30 Jan 14

So, Juve, need to sell before they can buy? They've got a player, Sebastian Giovinco, he's 26, a bit on the short side but he's got pace, he also scored 15 in his last season at Parma before moving to Juve, where he's currently not getting much of a run out, only 2 starts this season so far. Straight swop I'm thinking?

So, Juve, need to sell before they can buy? They've got a player, Sebastian Giovinco, he's 26, a bit on the short side but he's got pace, he also scored 15 in his last season at Parma before moving to Juve, where he's currently not getting much of a run out, only 2 starts this season so far.
Straight swop I'm thinking?SeladorAlexander

So, Juve, need to sell before they can buy? They've got a player, Sebastian Giovinco, he's 26, a bit on the short side but he's got pace, he also scored 15 in his last season at Parma before moving to Juve, where he's currently not getting much of a run out, only 2 starts this season so far. Straight swop I'm thinking?

Score: 0

SaintJD says...2:54pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Outside of the Box wrote…

Personally I don't want him to go, he's an Italian international and has obvious class, only weeks ago most on here were raving about his goal against Man C bust ups on the training ground happen all the time. We don't have anyone of Dani's calibre to replace him. yes Sam Gallagher is good, but one for the future, Rickie is struggling and was even before his injury, Jay Rod has a place in the team anyway. Do we let him and panic buy or Do we keep him and re-introduce back on Monday morning, for me keep him. As for Danny Fox, my doctor is happy is off to Forest, it will reduce my stress levels, blood pressure and I won't be having any more near heart attacks everytime he's given the ball.

Just my opinion, but I don't think he's done anything bar a couple of flashes and a YouTube friendly bit of brilliance, so I don't think he's of a particular high calibre to replace, it's just for some reason he has a great reputation, probably stoked up by a quality agent and his high profile for all the wrong reasons. If we sign a replacement, great - we do definitely need an extra striker who is of the calibre that we thought we were getting with Dani, but I'd be perfectly happy with what we've got. We're in a pretty comfortable position with luxury to bring Sam through with zero pressure, which is very unusual at this stage of the season. When you look at how Chambers has come from nowhere and how JWP and Shaw did last season I'd like to see him given a decent go, which is important if you want our young players to keep signing on and believing in our youth policy. As well as youth, our secret is team spirit and unity, so, as people are amazingly still interested in buying Dani for a decent price, I think we should let him go regardless of whether we replace him this month or in the summer. Or we can loan him to Italy and gamble that he'll have a good world cup, which I'd say is the best option.

[quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote:
Personally I don't want him to go, he's an Italian international and has obvious class, only weeks ago most on here were raving about his goal against Man C bust ups on the training ground happen all the time.
We don't have anyone of Dani's calibre to replace him. yes Sam Gallagher is good, but one for the future, Rickie is struggling and was even before his injury, Jay Rod has a place in the team anyway.
Do we let him and panic buy or Do we keep him and re-introduce back on Monday morning, for me keep him.
As for Danny Fox, my doctor is happy is off to Forest, it will reduce my stress levels, blood pressure and I won't be having any more near heart attacks everytime he's given the ball.[/p][/quote]Just my opinion, but I don't think he's done anything bar a couple of flashes and a YouTube friendly bit of brilliance, so I don't think he's of a particular high calibre to replace, it's just for some reason he has a great reputation, probably stoked up by a quality agent and his high profile for all the wrong reasons.
If we sign a replacement, great - we do definitely need an extra striker who is of the calibre that we thought we were getting with Dani, but I'd be perfectly happy with what we've got.
We're in a pretty comfortable position with luxury to bring Sam through with zero pressure, which is very unusual at this stage of the season.
When you look at how Chambers has come from nowhere and how JWP and Shaw did last season I'd like to see him given a decent go, which is important if you want our young players to keep signing on and believing in our youth policy.
As well as youth, our secret is team spirit and unity, so, as people are amazingly still interested in buying Dani for a decent price, I think we should let him go regardless of whether we replace him this month or in the summer. Or we can loan him to Italy and gamble that he'll have a good world cup, which I'd say is the best option.SaintJD

Outside of the Box wrote…

Personally I don't want him to go, he's an Italian international and has obvious class, only weeks ago most on here were raving about his goal against Man C bust ups on the training ground happen all the time. We don't have anyone of Dani's calibre to replace him. yes Sam Gallagher is good, but one for the future, Rickie is struggling and was even before his injury, Jay Rod has a place in the team anyway. Do we let him and panic buy or Do we keep him and re-introduce back on Monday morning, for me keep him. As for Danny Fox, my doctor is happy is off to Forest, it will reduce my stress levels, blood pressure and I won't be having any more near heart attacks everytime he's given the ball.

Just my opinion, but I don't think he's done anything bar a couple of flashes and a YouTube friendly bit of brilliance, so I don't think he's of a particular high calibre to replace, it's just for some reason he has a great reputation, probably stoked up by a quality agent and his high profile for all the wrong reasons. If we sign a replacement, great - we do definitely need an extra striker who is of the calibre that we thought we were getting with Dani, but I'd be perfectly happy with what we've got. We're in a pretty comfortable position with luxury to bring Sam through with zero pressure, which is very unusual at this stage of the season. When you look at how Chambers has come from nowhere and how JWP and Shaw did last season I'd like to see him given a decent go, which is important if you want our young players to keep signing on and believing in our youth policy. As well as youth, our secret is team spirit and unity, so, as people are amazingly still interested in buying Dani for a decent price, I think we should let him go regardless of whether we replace him this month or in the summer. Or we can loan him to Italy and gamble that he'll have a good world cup, which I'd say is the best option.

Score: 3

dadofmy3sons says...3:20pm Thu 30 Jan 14

SeladorAlexander wrote…

So, Juve, need to sell before they can buy? They've got a player, Sebastian Giovinco, he's 26, a bit on the short side but he's got pace, he also scored 15 in his last season at Parma before moving to Juve, where he's currently not getting much of a run out, only 2 starts this season so far. Straight swop I'm thinking?

Good spot, but I think we could get a cash adjustment simply because Osvaldo is very highly rated in Italy. A loan swap is another option and sort out finances at the end of the season. The only downside to this is that if Giovinco is successful and Osvaldo isn't, we could get stung. I am still surprised that we have seen nothing from Osvaldo that might be interpreted as an apology of sorts, his agent would surely have pressed him for this if only to ease a transfer to a new club and demonstrate that it wasn't all his fault.

[quote][p][bold]SeladorAlexander[/bold] wrote:
So, Juve, need to sell before they can buy? They've got a player, Sebastian Giovinco, he's 26, a bit on the short side but he's got pace, he also scored 15 in his last season at Parma before moving to Juve, where he's currently not getting much of a run out, only 2 starts this season so far.
Straight swop I'm thinking?[/p][/quote]Good spot, but I think we could get a cash adjustment simply because Osvaldo is very highly rated in Italy.
A loan swap is another option and sort out finances at the end of the season. The only downside to this is that if Giovinco is successful and Osvaldo isn't, we could get stung.
I am still surprised that we have seen nothing from Osvaldo that might be interpreted as an apology of sorts, his agent would surely have pressed him for this if only to ease a transfer to a new club and demonstrate that it wasn't all his fault.dadofmy3sons

SeladorAlexander wrote…

So, Juve, need to sell before they can buy? They've got a player, Sebastian Giovinco, he's 26, a bit on the short side but he's got pace, he also scored 15 in his last season at Parma before moving to Juve, where he's currently not getting much of a run out, only 2 starts this season so far. Straight swop I'm thinking?

Good spot, but I think we could get a cash adjustment simply because Osvaldo is very highly rated in Italy. A loan swap is another option and sort out finances at the end of the season. The only downside to this is that if Giovinco is successful and Osvaldo isn't, we could get stung. I am still surprised that we have seen nothing from Osvaldo that might be interpreted as an apology of sorts, his agent would surely have pressed him for this if only to ease a transfer to a new club and demonstrate that it wasn't all his fault.

Score: 0

warrens 76 says...3:22pm Thu 30 Jan 14

SaintJD wrote…

Outside of the Box wrote…

Personally I don't want him to go, he's an Italian international and has obvious class, only weeks ago most on here were raving about his goal against Man C bust ups on the training ground happen all the time. We don't have anyone of Dani's calibre to replace him. yes Sam Gallagher is good, but one for the future, Rickie is struggling and was even before his injury, Jay Rod has a place in the team anyway. Do we let him and panic buy or Do we keep him and re-introduce back on Monday morning, for me keep him. As for Danny Fox, my doctor is happy is off to Forest, it will reduce my stress levels, blood pressure and I won't be having any more near heart attacks everytime he's given the ball.

Just my opinion, but I don't think he's done anything bar a couple of flashes and a YouTube friendly bit of brilliance, so I don't think he's of a particular high calibre to replace, it's just for some reason he has a great reputation, probably stoked up by a quality agent and his high profile for all the wrong reasons. If we sign a replacement, great - we do definitely need an extra striker who is of the calibre that we thought we were getting with Dani, but I'd be perfectly happy with what we've got. We're in a pretty comfortable position with luxury to bring Sam through with zero pressure, which is very unusual at this stage of the season. When you look at how Chambers has come from nowhere and how JWP and Shaw did last season I'd like to see him given a decent go, which is important if you want our young players to keep signing on and believing in our youth policy. As well as youth, our secret is team spirit and unity, so, as people are amazingly still interested in buying Dani for a decent price, I think we should let him go regardless of whether we replace him this month or in the summer. Or we can loan him to Italy and gamble that he'll have a good world cup, which I'd say is the best option.

Training ground bust ups used to be the norm not the exception..Chpper Harris regularly dealt a kick in the gonads or a left hook to trainee upstarts who embarrased him… I think his quality is there and is with JROD who initially caused a lot of 'waste of space' articles we need to work this thing through… If someone pays us super money because 'they' desperately need a striker fine otherwise lets wind our neks in and see it out til end of season.. Our speed of play in the final third is not always helpful…when we move it ( I like to move it, move it ) as with our second goal we can carve teams apart so the ability exists.

[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Outside of the Box[/bold] wrote:
Personally I don't want him to go, he's an Italian international and has obvious class, only weeks ago most on here were raving about his goal against Man C bust ups on the training ground happen all the time.
We don't have anyone of Dani's calibre to replace him. yes Sam Gallagher is good, but one for the future, Rickie is struggling and was even before his injury, Jay Rod has a place in the team anyway.
Do we let him and panic buy or Do we keep him and re-introduce back on Monday morning, for me keep him.
As for Danny Fox, my doctor is happy is off to Forest, it will reduce my stress levels, blood pressure and I won't be having any more near heart attacks everytime he's given the ball.[/p][/quote]Just my opinion, but I don't think he's done anything bar a couple of flashes and a YouTube friendly bit of brilliance, so I don't think he's of a particular high calibre to replace, it's just for some reason he has a great reputation, probably stoked up by a quality agent and his high profile for all the wrong reasons.
If we sign a replacement, great - we do definitely need an extra striker who is of the calibre that we thought we were getting with Dani, but I'd be perfectly happy with what we've got.
We're in a pretty comfortable position with luxury to bring Sam through with zero pressure, which is very unusual at this stage of the season.
When you look at how Chambers has come from nowhere and how JWP and Shaw did last season I'd like to see him given a decent go, which is important if you want our young players to keep signing on and believing in our youth policy.
As well as youth, our secret is team spirit and unity, so, as people are amazingly still interested in buying Dani for a decent price, I think we should let him go regardless of whether we replace him this month or in the summer. Or we can loan him to Italy and gamble that he'll have a good world cup, which I'd say is the best option.[/p][/quote]Training ground bust ups used to be the norm not the exception..Chpper Harris regularly dealt a kick in the gonads or a left hook to trainee upstarts who embarrased him…
I think his quality is there and is with JROD who initially caused a lot of 'waste of space' articles we need to work this thing through…
If someone pays us super money because 'they' desperately need a striker fine otherwise lets wind our neks in and see it out til end of season..
Our speed of play in the final third is not always helpful…when we move it ( I like to move it, move it ) as with our second goal we can carve teams apart so the ability exists.warrens 76

SaintJD wrote…

Outside of the Box wrote…

Personally I don't want him to go, he's an Italian international and has obvious class, only weeks ago most on here were raving about his goal against Man C bust ups on the training ground happen all the time. We don't have anyone of Dani's calibre to replace him. yes Sam Gallagher is good, but one for the future, Rickie is struggling and was even before his injury, Jay Rod has a place in the team anyway. Do we let him and panic buy or Do we keep him and re-introduce back on Monday morning, for me keep him. As for Danny Fox, my doctor is happy is off to Forest, it will reduce my stress levels, blood pressure and I won't be having any more near heart attacks everytime he's given the ball.

Just my opinion, but I don't think he's done anything bar a couple of flashes and a YouTube friendly bit of brilliance, so I don't think he's of a particular high calibre to replace, it's just for some reason he has a great reputation, probably stoked up by a quality agent and his high profile for all the wrong reasons. If we sign a replacement, great - we do definitely need an extra striker who is of the calibre that we thought we were getting with Dani, but I'd be perfectly happy with what we've got. We're in a pretty comfortable position with luxury to bring Sam through with zero pressure, which is very unusual at this stage of the season. When you look at how Chambers has come from nowhere and how JWP and Shaw did last season I'd like to see him given a decent go, which is important if you want our young players to keep signing on and believing in our youth policy. As well as youth, our secret is team spirit and unity, so, as people are amazingly still interested in buying Dani for a decent price, I think we should let him go regardless of whether we replace him this month or in the summer. Or we can loan him to Italy and gamble that he'll have a good world cup, which I'd say is the best option.

Training ground bust ups used to be the norm not the exception..Chpper Harris regularly dealt a kick in the gonads or a left hook to trainee upstarts who embarrased him… I think his quality is there and is with JROD who initially caused a lot of 'waste of space' articles we need to work this thing through… If someone pays us super money because 'they' desperately need a striker fine otherwise lets wind our neks in and see it out til end of season.. Our speed of play in the final third is not always helpful…when we move it ( I like to move it, move it ) as with our second goal we can carve teams apart so the ability exists.

Score: 1

dadofmy3sons says...3:29pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Forgot Dan Harding was at Forest too. A chance we might see them both next year if Forest get promoted? They seem to make a habit of signing ex-Saints, another Stokehampton? Red shirts too!

Forgot Dan Harding was at Forest too.
A chance we might see them both next year if Forest get promoted?
They seem to make a habit of signing ex-Saints, another Stokehampton?
Red shirts too!dadofmy3sons

Forgot Dan Harding was at Forest too. A chance we might see them both next year if Forest get promoted? They seem to make a habit of signing ex-Saints, another Stokehampton? Red shirts too!

Score: 1

Chriops says...3:29pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Costa Baz wrote…

Chriops wrote…

Poch said one in, one out. Fox has gone to Forrest Could it be Dani is going nowhere?

Did MP say "one in, one out"? I thought his response, when being asked on Sky, about transfers happening, was "probably". When asked " in or out", his reply was "in AND out". Don't recall quantities being mentioned, so anything could happen. Maybe I misheard?

On Sky Poch said one in, one out. Not only that he said it in English

[quote][p][bold]Costa Baz[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Chriops[/bold] wrote:
Poch said one in, one out.
Fox has gone to Forrest
Could it be Dani is going nowhere?[/p][/quote]Did MP say "one in, one out"?
I thought his response, when being asked on Sky, about transfers happening, was "probably".
When asked " in or out", his reply was "in AND out".
Don't recall quantities being mentioned, so anything could happen. Maybe I misheard?[/p][/quote]On Sky Poch said one in, one out. Not only that he said it in EnglishChriops

Costa Baz wrote…

Chriops wrote…

Poch said one in, one out. Fox has gone to Forrest Could it be Dani is going nowhere?

Did MP say "one in, one out"? I thought his response, when being asked on Sky, about transfers happening, was "probably". When asked " in or out", his reply was "in AND out". Don't recall quantities being mentioned, so anything could happen. Maybe I misheard?

On Sky Poch said one in, one out. Not only that he said it in English

Score: 0

Harold K Steptoe says...3:38pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Sky transfer update page just quoted, Pochettino has given us an update regarding Osveldo, "at the moment there's nothing to update". You couldn't make it up.

Sky transfer update page just quoted, Pochettino has given us an update regarding Osveldo, "at the moment there's nothing to update". You couldn't make it up.Harold K Steptoe

Sky transfer update page just quoted, Pochettino has given us an update regarding Osveldo, "at the moment there's nothing to update". You couldn't make it up.

Score: 1

dadofmy3sons says...3:39pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Love Mourinho's comments about WestHoof! Everything football fans have been saying all season , but commentators have been avoiding at all costs. Possibly they might have to acknowledge that FatSam does employ those tactics after all?

Love Mourinho's comments about WestHoof!
Everything football fans have been saying all season , but commentators have been avoiding at all costs.
Possibly they might have to acknowledge that FatSam does employ those tactics after all?dadofmy3sons

Love Mourinho's comments about WestHoof! Everything football fans have been saying all season , but commentators have been avoiding at all costs. Possibly they might have to acknowledge that FatSam does employ those tactics after all?

Score: 5

Beer Monster says...4:05pm Thu 30 Jan 14

dadofmy3sons wrote…

Forgot Dan Harding was at Forest too. A chance we might see them both next year if Forest get promoted? They seem to make a habit of signing ex-Saints, another Stokehampton? Red shirts too!

Not to mention the large number of decent pubs, and the higher ratio of women to men in Nottingham :0)

[quote][p][bold]dadofmy3sons[/bold] wrote:
Forgot Dan Harding was at Forest too.
A chance we might see them both next year if Forest get promoted?
They seem to make a habit of signing ex-Saints, another Stokehampton?
Red shirts too![/p][/quote]Not to mention the large number of decent pubs, and the higher ratio of women to men in Nottingham :0)Beer Monster

dadofmy3sons wrote…

Forgot Dan Harding was at Forest too. A chance we might see them both next year if Forest get promoted? They seem to make a habit of signing ex-Saints, another Stokehampton? Red shirts too!

Not to mention the large number of decent pubs, and the higher ratio of women to men in Nottingham :0)

Score: 0

saintkenny says...4:10pm Thu 30 Jan 14

therealredarmy wrote…

@therealredarmy Loic Remy who play now for Newcastle "on loan from QPR" that guy has everything we need pace, good balance and score goals and he's an international. He's capable to score 20 odd goals if he play with a good midfield ! He would fit really well at Southampton FC.

his wage demands are to high he is on 95k a week way above the saints budget the sort of player redknapp would grab but not for us forget that one

[quote][p][bold]therealredarmy[/bold] wrote:
@therealredarmy
Loic Remy who play now for Newcastle "on loan from QPR" that guy has everything we need pace, good balance and score goals and he's an international. He's capable to score 20 odd goals if he play with a good midfield ! He would fit really well at Southampton FC.[/p][/quote]his wage demands are to high he is on 95k a week way above the saints budget the sort of player redknapp would grab but not for us forget that onesaintkenny

therealredarmy wrote…

@therealredarmy Loic Remy who play now for Newcastle "on loan from QPR" that guy has everything we need pace, good balance and score goals and he's an international. He's capable to score 20 odd goals if he play with a good midfield ! He would fit really well at Southampton FC.

his wage demands are to high he is on 95k a week way above the saints budget the sort of player redknapp would grab but not for us forget that one

Score: 0

El Santo says...4:33pm Thu 30 Jan 14

SaintJD wrote…

El Santo wrote…

JohnItaly wrote…

Will be very surprised if a deal is not struck for Dani Osvaldo's move back to Italy clearly best for both parties. Whilst appreciating MoPo's connections with Spanish / Italian football I would prefer to see any replacement to come from Germany or Scandinavia as those players seem more able to adapt quickly to the Premiership than those from Southern Europe.

Did you include Soldado by mistake :) Have to say I'm surprised we've not gone for any Spanish league or Argentinian players (assuming we don't count Osvaldo due to the fact he was playing in Italy when we signed him and is officially Italian). I'd have thought MP would have had some players he knows could cut it from that league, especially as he was quite shrewd. Will be interesting to see if the focus of our scouts changes now NC is gone, because we did seem to look towards Italy a lot.

:) My fingers trembled a bit when I typed Soldado, I must admit. I agree with you. MP will probably have more power to decide signings (might be the reason why he is so happy to stay?).

[quote][p][bold]SaintJD[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]El Santo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]JohnItaly[/bold] wrote:
Will be very surprised if a deal is not struck for Dani Osvaldo's move back to Italy clearly best for both parties. Whilst appreciating MoPo's connections with Spanish / Italian football I would prefer to see any replacement to come from Germany or Scandinavia as those players seem more able to adapt quickly to the Premiership than those from Southern Europe.[/p][/quote]Silva, Mata, Torres, Ronaldo, Negredo, Soldado, Xabi Alonso, Carvalho, Navas, Arteta, Cazorla, Fabregas, Reina, De Gea, Azpilicueta, Monreal... hmmm... you are absolutely right!!![/p][/quote]Did you include Soldado by mistake :)
Have to say I'm surprised we've not gone for any Spanish league or Argentinian players (assuming we don't count Osvaldo due to the fact he was playing in Italy when we signed him and is officially Italian). I'd have thought MP would have had some players he knows could cut it from that league, especially as he was quite shrewd.
Will be interesting to see if the focus of our scouts changes now NC is gone, because we did seem to look towards Italy a lot.[/p][/quote]:) My fingers trembled a bit when I typed Soldado, I must admit.
I agree with you. MP will probably have more power to decide signings (might be the reason why he is so happy to stay?).El Santo

SaintJD wrote…

El Santo wrote…

JohnItaly wrote…

Will be very surprised if a deal is not struck for Dani Osvaldo's move back to Italy clearly best for both parties. Whilst appreciating MoPo's connections with Spanish / Italian football I would prefer to see any replacement to come from Germany or Scandinavia as those players seem more able to adapt quickly to the Premiership than those from Southern Europe.

Did you include Soldado by mistake :) Have to say I'm surprised we've not gone for any Spanish league or Argentinian players (assuming we don't count Osvaldo due to the fact he was playing in Italy when we signed him and is officially Italian). I'd have thought MP would have had some players he knows could cut it from that league, especially as he was quite shrewd. Will be interesting to see if the focus of our scouts changes now NC is gone, because we did seem to look towards Italy a lot.

:) My fingers trembled a bit when I typed Soldado, I must admit. I agree with you. MP will probably have more power to decide signings (might be the reason why he is so happy to stay?).

Score: 0

Clever Dick says...4:47pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Dear Juventus. I would like to give you my personal recommendation that you sign Dani Osvaldo He has shown an excellent attitude since he arrived at our club. He is definitely a team player and doesn't have an ego of any kind. His team ethic is very strong indeed and during his time here he has become extremely close to one of our players Jose Fonte. Jose himself would also strongly recommend him to you and says rarely has a player made such a mark on him. His self control is excellent and he has been able to suffer very harsh treatment by Premier league defenders with hardly any retaliation. It is only because we are blooding our next international superstar striker and the fact that we like your club that we are prepared to let him go. So don't delay any longer. PLEASE SIGN HIM UP RIGHT NOW.

Dear Juventus. I would like to give you my personal recommendation that you sign Dani Osvaldo He has shown an excellent attitude since he arrived at our club. He is definitely a team player and doesn't have an ego of any kind. His team ethic is very strong indeed and during his time here he has become extremely close to one of our players Jose Fonte. Jose himself would also strongly recommend him to you and says rarely has a player made such a mark on him. His self control is excellent and he has been able to suffer very harsh treatment by Premier league defenders with hardly any retaliation. It is only because we are blooding our next international superstar striker and the fact that we like your club that we are prepared to let him go. So don't delay any longer. PLEASE SIGN HIM UP RIGHT NOW.Clever Dick

Dear Juventus. I would like to give you my personal recommendation that you sign Dani Osvaldo He has shown an excellent attitude since he arrived at our club. He is definitely a team player and doesn't have an ego of any kind. His team ethic is very strong indeed and during his time here he has become extremely close to one of our players Jose Fonte. Jose himself would also strongly recommend him to you and says rarely has a player made such a mark on him. His self control is excellent and he has been able to suffer very harsh treatment by Premier league defenders with hardly any retaliation. It is only because we are blooding our next international superstar striker and the fact that we like your club that we are prepared to let him go. So don't delay any longer. PLEASE SIGN HIM UP RIGHT NOW.

Score: 4

dadofmy3sons says...5:18pm Thu 30 Jan 14

saintkenny wrote…

therealredarmy wrote…

@therealredarmy Loic Remy who play now for Newcastle "on loan from QPR" that guy has everything we need pace, good balance and score goals and he's an international. He's capable to score 20 odd goals if he play with a good midfield ! He would fit really well at Southampton FC.

his wage demands are to high he is on 95k a week way above the saints budget the sort of player redknapp would grab but not for us forget that one

not to mention the allegations of sexual impropriety.

[quote][p][bold]saintkenny[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]therealredarmy[/bold] wrote:
@therealredarmy
Loic Remy who play now for Newcastle "on loan from QPR" that guy has everything we need pace, good balance and score goals and he's an international. He's capable to score 20 odd goals if he play with a good midfield ! He would fit really well at Southampton FC.[/p][/quote]his wage demands are to high he is on 95k a week way above the saints budget the sort of player redknapp would grab but not for us forget that one[/p][/quote]not to mention the allegations of sexual impropriety.dadofmy3sons

saintkenny wrote…

therealredarmy wrote…

@therealredarmy Loic Remy who play now for Newcastle "on loan from QPR" that guy has everything we need pace, good balance and score goals and he's an international. He's capable to score 20 odd goals if he play with a good midfield ! He would fit really well at Southampton FC.

his wage demands are to high he is on 95k a week way above the saints budget the sort of player redknapp would grab but not for us forget that one

not to mention the allegations of sexual impropriety.

Score: 0

GHamilton says...5:48pm Thu 30 Jan 14

Clever Dick wrote…

Dear Juventus. I would like to give you my personal recommendation that you sign Dani Osvaldo He has shown an excellent attitude since he arrived at our club. He is definitely a team player and doesn't have an ego of any kind. His team ethic is very strong indeed and during his time here he has become extremely close to one of our players Jose Fonte. Jose himself would also strongly recommend him to you and says rarely has a player made such a mark on him. His self control is excellent and he has been able to suffer very harsh treatment by Premier league defenders with hardly any retaliation. It is only because we are blooding our next international superstar striker and the fact that we like your club that we are prepared to let him go. So don't delay any longer. PLEASE SIGN HIM UP RIGHT NOW.

Yup, great post , i think you covered just about all his qualities. You could have included that he is a prolific goalscorer.... and the fact he only managed 3 from 13 games was not his fault.

[quote][p][bold]Clever Dick[/bold] wrote:
Dear Juventus. I would like to give you my personal recommendation that you sign Dani Osvaldo He has shown an excellent attitude since he arrived at our club. He is definitely a team player and doesn't have an ego of any kind. His team ethic is very strong indeed and during his time here he has become extremely close to one of our players Jose Fonte. Jose himself would also strongly recommend him to you and says rarely has a player made such a mark on him. His self control is excellent and he has been able to suffer very harsh treatment by Premier league defenders with hardly any retaliation. It is only because we are blooding our next international superstar striker and the fact that we like your club that we are prepared to let him go. So don't delay any longer. PLEASE SIGN HIM UP RIGHT NOW.[/p][/quote]Yup, great post , i think you covered just about all his qualities. You could have included that he is a prolific goalscorer.... and the fact he only managed 3 from 13 games was not his fault.GHamilton

Clever Dick wrote…

Dear Juventus. I would like to give you my personal recommendation that you sign Dani Osvaldo He has shown an excellent attitude since he arrived at our club. He is definitely a team player and doesn't have an ego of any kind. His team ethic is very strong indeed and during his time here he has become extremely close to one of our players Jose Fonte. Jose himself would also strongly recommend him to you and says rarely has a player made such a mark on him. His self control is excellent and he has been able to suffer very harsh treatment by Premier league defenders with hardly any retaliation. It is only because we are blooding our next international superstar striker and the fact that we like your club that we are prepared to let him go. So don't delay any longer. PLEASE SIGN HIM UP RIGHT NOW.

Yup, great post , i think you covered just about all his qualities. You could have included that he is a prolific goalscorer.... and the fact he only managed 3 from 13 games was not his fault.

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