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And how many South Koreans dying is acceptable should we attack the north? Because there is zero chance none would die. Sanctions won't work, because Kim doesn't give a shit how poorly his people live, and they blindly follow whatever he says.

Well, we could go with the Obama Doctrine of appeasement, apology and drawing pretty red lines.. but looks where that's gotten us...

A war with North Korea is a de facto war with China and eventually Russia as well, most layman person and Americans just don't understand this. It's why a North Korean or North China conflict as it were will never happen because it's effectively a prelude to World War 3.

A war with North Korea is a de facto war with China and eventually Russia as well, most layman person and Americans just don't understand this. It's why a North Korean or North China conflict as it were will never happen because it's effectively a prelude to World War 3.

Except not. Russia and China are starting to pressure them a lot more. China wouldn't defend them. They may bitch, but we are more important to them than N Korea.

I think over the course of the past 8 years people have forgotten that the US holds a lot of influence in the world and the rest of the world (mostly) looks to the US for leadership.

If our stance on North Korea is just more "Let's wait and see" then the rest of the world will take the same stance.

If our stance on North Korea changes to "Okay enough is enough" then (most) of the rest of the world will take the same stance.

I'm not saying this as a patriotic American who thinks the US is the greatest, even though it's true, it's just the reality of things.

I'm also not suggesting that the rest of the world is going to join us if we decide to attack North Korea, which I doubt is going to happen anyways, but they will either support us or do the usual public denouncement to score points with their own voters while secretly agreeing with us.

China gains nothing by defending North Korea in this situation and stands to lose a hell of a lot. Same goes for Russia. If Russia thinks they are hurting now because of US and EU sanctions just wait until they side with North Korea over this, or worse yet sends in troops to help the North Korean government.

I'm just glad we have President Trump to respond with the measured reason that is to be expected from a superpower..

"North Korea best not make any more threats to the United States," warned Mr. Trump from his golf club in Bedminster.

"They will be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen," he told reporters. "He has been very threatening -- beyond a normal statement," Mr. Trump said of North Korean leader Kim Jong-un. "As I said, they will be met with fire, fury and frankly power the likes of which this world has never seen before."