Demiurge vs Axon?

Can someone help with the difference here? I see Axon has caffeine but other than that this is a new type of product for me... What's the main difference between the two, and what should be expected from each? Thanks!

Axon is our stim type product, and Demiurge is our nootropic product. Both can be used as a PreWO boost. Axon brings the energy and Demiurge brings the focus. Personally when I use them I stack them on workout days 20-30mins Pre with 2-3 caps Axon and 4 caps Demiurge.

Axon is our stim type product, and Demiurge is our nootropic product. Both can be used as a PreWO boost. Axon brings the energy and Demiurge brings the focus. Personally when I use them I stack them on workout days 20-30mins Pre with 2-3 caps Axon and 4 caps Demiurge.

I'm picking up some Demiurge, I'm interested in trying a nootropic, but the stuff being used as a pesticide in Axon kinda bothers me; I'm sure it works, but I would feel better with Demiurge. Thanks for the reply!

I'm picking up some Demiurge, I'm interested in trying a nootropic, but the stuff being used as a pesticide in Axon kinda bothers me; I'm sure it works, but I would feel better with Demiurge. Thanks for the reply!

Sounds good man. Start with 2 caps Demiurge and work your way up to 6 caps. Only use it on Workout days or no more than 4x a week. After 6 weeks on take 2-3 weeks off.

Naturally-occurring compounds like resveratrol and hederagenin are produced by plants as a defence against things like microbes and funguses. Resveratrol has been successfully used as a topical pesticide* but has a whole host of well-documented health benefits in humans and other animals.

You're presumably associating them with artificial organochloride insecticides, but they're completely different things.

As far as Demiurge how much of a stim feeling are we talking? Could you compare it to something on the market as far as stim effect goes?

I wouldnt really say it has a stim type of effect. Itr provides focus rather than stimulation if that makes any sense. If you looking for stim Id go with Axon, as if your using Demiurge as a "stim" you wont get that kick you are used to. Although the focus from Demiurge is pretty intense especailly at the higher dosages.

I wouldnt really say it has a stim type of effect. Itr provides focus rather than stimulation if that makes any sense. If you looking for stim Id go with Axon, as if your using Demiurge as a "stim" you wont get that kick you are used to. Although the focus from Demiurge is pretty intense especailly at the higher dosages.

Oh when I was researching the ingredient it said it was the only racetam that gave a stim effect. My main concern is that I already use somewhat heavy stims depending on the supplements I'm using and I wouldn't want to overdo it by adding a nootropic with a stim effect. So say I take 1.5 or 2 scoops of PES Alphamine (my current stim). The Demiurge should not effect that in a noticeable way except for adding focus, drive, etc. correct?

Oh when I was researching the ingredient it said it was the only racetam that gave a stim effect. My main concern is that I already use somewhat heavy stims depending on the supplements I'm using and I wouldn't want to overdo it by adding a nootropic with a stim effect. So say I take 1.5 or 2 scoops of PES Alphamine (my current stim). The Demiurge should not effect that in a noticeable way except for adding focus, drive, etc. correct?

It has a stim like effect on some, but is not directly a stim product. It will mainly add focus and drive. If your looking for a good PreWO stack I suggest 4 caps Demiurge with 2-3 caps Axon.....that **** will get you going and jacked for the gym.

Can someone help with the difference here? I see Axon has caffeine but other than that this is a new type of product for me... What's the main difference between the two, and what should be expected from each? Thanks!

It has a stim like effect on some, but is not directly a stim product. It will mainly add focus and drive. If your looking for a good PreWO stack I suggest 4 caps Demiurge with 2-3 caps Axon.....that **** will get you going and jacked for the gym.

Today went well. I took 1 scoop of Alphamine instead of my usual 1.5-2 scoops and dropped my HT2 until an hour later after I had a feel for the Demi. I didn't really "feel" anything, but I noticed throughout the day I was more productive and able to finish tasks quicker. I was also a little more scatter brained than normal so it took a little effort to make sure I stayed on point. Overall it went well and I will bump it up tomorrow to 150mg to see if it makes a difference.

Today went well. I took 1 scoop of Alphamine instead of my usual 1.5-2 scoops and dropped my HT2 until an hour later after I had a feel for the Demi. I didn't really "feel" anything, but I noticed throughout the day I was more productive and able to finish tasks quicker. I was also a little more scatter brained than normal so it took a little effort to make sure I stayed on point. Overall it went well and I will bump it up tomorrow to 150mg to see if it makes a difference.

Wow..I've only used 50-100mg of Demi and it was pretty potent at either dose. Stacking with a 1/4 scoop of alphamine and 500mg CDP choline really made it shine though. I was a happy, productive mofo...for about 7 hours.

Demi/phenylpiracetam is definitely one of the better racetams I've used. Similar, for me, to the effects of piracetam but smoother and more consistent. Regular piracetam makes my mind race then feel groggy and depressed, then race, then groggy, then I can't sleep to save my life. The phenyl is more even keel though it is a little harder to get to sleep and I have insane dreams. I will experiment with stacking Ani and some other goodies later.

Have you guys hit 200-400mg of demiurge? Just wondering on your experiences.

Yea, Ive gone as high as 200mg demiurge... it was pretty interesting to say the least. Never gone above 200mg though as 400mg seems a little to excessive to me. But, to each there own.

Originally Posted by bioman

Wow..I've only used 50-100mg of Demi and it was pretty potent at either dose. Stacking with a 1/4 scoop of alphamine and 500mg CDP choline really made it shine though. I was a happy, productive mofo...for about 7 hours.

Demi/phenylpiracetam is definitely one of the better racetams I've used. Similar, for me, to the effects of piracetam but smoother and more consistent. Regular piracetam makes my mind race then feel groggy and depressed, then race, then groggy, then I can't sleep to save my life. The phenyl is more even keel though it is a little harder to get to sleep and I have insane dreams. I will experiment with stacking Ani and some other goodies later.

If you like stacking 50-100mg demiurge with alphamine I suggest you pick up a bottle of Axon and stack 4 caps Demiurge with 3-4 caps Axon 45-60min PreWO. Seriously one of the best 1-2 punch PreWO combo's Ive used in a while. Insane energy from Axon, with the calming and relaxation from Demiurge is hard to explain, but its like nothing Ive ever experienced before.

Have you guys hit 200-400mg of demiurge? Just wondering on your experiences.

Indeed. The 400mg dose is the peak efficacious dose for me and I use it pre-exam only with a 200mg caffeine tab. First, it produces a PROFOUND thermogenic effect. I mean sweating far, far more than I would on ECY, raspberry ketones, etc...Second, the caffeine hits within 10 minutes but it's not until the 45-minute mark that I get a real kick from the demiurge. This combo seems to work very well for my marathon exams (3+ hours), as I maintain steady energy levels and focus throughout. Great product

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Indeed. The 400mg dose is the peak efficacious dose for me and I use it pre-exam only with a 200mg caffeine tab. First, it produces a PROFOUND thermogenic effect. I mean sweating far, far more than I would on ECY, raspberry ketones, etc...Second, the caffeine hits within 10 minutes but it's not until the 45-minute mark that I get a real kick from the demiurge. This combo seems to work very well for my marathon exams (3+ hours), as I maintain steady energy levels and focus throughout. Great product

If you're sweating that much while taking an exam I would think people around you would be asking if your ok!