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Y'all people are funny. It doesn't matter what breeding or who trains the dog, you have to have THE dog. It's always funny how people assume with this trainer that every dog will work. Not remotely close.

Where is the like button???

"For everyone to whom much is given, of him shall much be required." -- Luke 12:48

Y'all people are funny. It doesn't matter what breeding or who trains the dog, you have to have THE dog. It's always funny how people assume with this trainer that every dog will work. Not remotely close.

Will someone translate this for me

john

"i guess the old saying 'those of us that think we know everything annoy those of you that does' " --bobbyb 9/13/06

I agree with the LSU prediction and have my fingers crossed on the Saints! I'm gonna take a stab at it! I know Jacob and I agree with a bunch of his bold comments! I think he believes that regardless of the breeding or the training if you don't have a dog with that special something then the other stuff may not matter. During my many years involved in coaching it was easier to find underachievers than overachievers. I would think there are plenty of dogs out there that may be talented enough but don't get the opportunity to shine; however, there are plenty that just don't have it. In general you can't put in what isn't there.

I agree with the LSU prediction and have my fingers crossed on the Saints! I'm gonna take a stab at it! I know Jacob and I agree with a bunch of his bold comments! I think he believes that regardless of the breeding or the training if you don't have a dog with that special something then the other stuff may not matter. During my many years involved in coaching it was easier to find underachievers than overachievers. I would think there are plenty of dogs out there that may be talented enough but don't get the opportunity to shine; however, there are plenty that just don't have it. In general you can't put in what isn't there.

In general I might agree with you but, there are those who maximize the available talent regardless of pedigree. & there are those who manage, on a regular basis, to minimize the product they place in competition.

The maximizers are few & far between - one has a training grounds named after him, one left the sport to also succeed in pointers & the third had a series of dogs, five in all, named Chip, White Shoes, Carbon, Chopper & Emmitt that he started as pups who were fairly successful with no washouts.

I'm sure there are others who meet the maximizer criteria & numerous who meet the minimizer criteria with many in between. & some who got lucky for a while .

I absolutely agree that good training is important and often brings out the most in a dog, horse, athlete, etc. I was not implying that it doesn't just making an observation as to what Jacob posted; however, you have to have something to start with.

I have a Grady pup that is 20 months old and we got our MH title at 18 months. The Dam is a MH female that I have known for 8 years now. She is my trainers personal female. For 3 years I practically begged him to breed her to Grady. He finally did and the pup I got out of the litter is more than I expected. Like others have said the female side of the equation is really important. The title she may or may not have isn't necessarily an indicator of what the pups will turn out to be like. I was lucky and had the chance to see my pup's Dam train, run, hunt and even work with some of the pups she has thrown.

Y'all people are funny. It doesn't matter what breeding or who trains the dog, you have to have THE dog. It's always funny how people assume with this trainer that every dog will work. Not remotely close.

Oh wow!!!
With all due respect here. It can matter what breeding, and it can matter who trains or owns the dog. You can quite often find poorly thought out breedings or even breedings that look to be a sure thing that bust. Breeding Labs is a business where great nicks are never guaranteed. I have a buddy that paid BIG bucks for a Lean Mac x FC/AFC pup that was washed out by two pros. Another guy (near and dear to my heart) bred a well bred MH bitch to a hot FC/AFC sire that had a few trial folks interested in his breeding but a couple of the interested parties opted for a similar breeding out of an FC bitch. Said the "MH wasn't a guarantee that the bitch had talent".The MH breeding produced 3 FCs and 2 QAA pups while the FC bitch bred to the same sire produced nada!!!

It's quite possible that any given quality (on paper) breeding could produce "the" dog that could be with "the" wrong owner or "the" wrong trainer. The pedigrees and/or abilities of both sire and dam are not the only things that need to nick!!! It's always a crap shoot, but Id go with the best potential pedigree that has a solid bitchline full of both proven female producers and/or competitors.