Bobadventures wrote:Do you think it's still possible to achieve any sort of real notoriety with a black and white webcomic these days? Naturally, I ask this because my comic is black and white.

Notoriety usually comes from subject matter more than anything else but I think you're more after fans than true notoriety.

That said I think colour would help your comic as at the moment (at least the few pages I just flicked through) it looks more like line-art than a complete comic.Black and white comics, in some ways, are more difficult than colour comics as you have to use black and white together to create shading and fill in objects and backgrounds to create a sense of substance.A mistake many people make with black and white comics is the "big white void" which can lead to a world of floating characters and objects.

So I'd recommend the switch to colour (which is free since you work digital) or if you're determined to work in black and white you might want to check out this thread which could give you some tips on improving your techniques.

That said the art looks good it just need a little something more, after all we're all constantly improving and fine-tuning our works.

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Thanks! Well, as soon as I read your post, I sat down and started fiddling with different shading techniques. I've always been poor at "spotting blacks" (that is, recognizing spaces that would look better in black). And I'll have to try and avoid doing these minimalist backgrounds; I've known that for a while, but I seem to need a reminder now and again.

Your comment about color and money seemed odd; certainly money isn't the issue, it's time. To quote Malcolm McDowell, time is the fire in which we burn. I've often wondered whether, if I had some extra time, if it would be better to do a third update per week, or to start coloring, but it's a moot point, since that time has not materialized. All I can do is try to get faster. (Certainly if I had the money to pay a separate colorist, that'd be awesome, but if I had such money, my world would be very different...)

I am considering finally putting in some gray tones, but if I go that route, it won't be until the conclusion of this story arc (in... oh, at this point I'm guessing about four months), since I don't want a drastic art style shift in the middle of the arc.

RobboAKAscooby wrote:Merely pointing out the big advantage you digital guys have over traditional guys like myself.

Since I work with both digital and traditional media, I have to say IMHO the only real advantage to colouring in digital is more choice and undo. As for cost, I would have to go through a truckload of paper, watercolour and / or gouache and brushes to equal the cost of my cintiq. Where I actually notice the difference is in sketching – I can go through twice as many ideas in the same time in PS as I would with pencil and paper. Colouring takes about the same time and inking is far quicker with a brush on decent paper.

As for Bobadventures's question, I would definitely go with colouring. Judging by your banner, you've already got that down – the flat colours work like a charm for your style. Throw in some hard shadows with 50% opacity and you're golden! That should take about 30 minutes per comic. And I would definitely change into colour right now, even if you're in the middle of a story. It will do wonders for your style. If you find extra time, just go back and colour the previous comics as well.

Samuli wrote:As for Bobadventures's question, I would definitely go with colouring. Judging by your banner, you've already got that down – the flat colours work like a charm for your style. Throw in some hard shadows with 50% opacity and you're golden! That should take about 30 minutes per comic. And I would definitely change into colour right now, even if you're in the middle of a story. It will do wonders for your style. If you find extra time, just go back and colour the previous comics as well.

I second this motion. No need to get fancy with the shading and luscious textures and so forth. Just bloop bloop bloop colors.

Say, why don't you share some of the black and white technique versus some colored images just for a comparison?

Well......... Okay. I think I will try going to color after this story arc is complete. But not till then, for a few reasons: 1) It would break the flow of the story. 2) I want to spend the time between now and then practicing so that I will be both good at it and reasonably fast. 3) This storyline has some pretty complicated images, and I'd like to start with something relatively simple to color.

I think one thing in particular that has held me back is the prospect of coloring Voluptua's butterfly wings, which one character described as "like unto the stained glass of a cathedral." Yeah, I've had a hard time settling on a color scheme for that.

I originally went for black and white with traditional media and shading + some black areas and generally no backgrounds, as I had plenty of time to work on it in class. Since switching schools I've reverted to what is basically just line art. I'm sort of wondering what sort of magical colouring methods you guys use to color a comic in... 30 minutes? Always takes me over two hours, and I don't have that kind of time. Could you perhaps point me in the right direction or post a link to this bloop bloop bloop... or do I just need to practise more?

Though not universally, squares are widely regarded as having an even number of sides that has been conjectured by experts in the field to be approximately four.

I'll have to time myself next time I go to color. Mine's colored by hand though, I dunno if that would make me faster or slower. I color really sloppily and don't give much of a toss about the quality of the coloring which isn't something that anyone should really strive for, which could explain how long it takes me to color. I'm sure that simple hand coloring takes more time than simple computer coloring, but I've never done the latter so I can't really say for sure.

And I think it depends on, when you're coloring digitally, how much detail you're putting in. Which is what Samuli was talking about, really simplifying the coloring process to just the basics in order to cut time and improve the way the comic looks.

VeryCuddlyCornpone wrote:And I think it depends on, when you're coloring digitally, how much detail you're putting in. Which is what Samuli was talking about, really simplifying the coloring process to just the basics in order to cut time and improve the way the comic looks.

Yeah, that's exactly it. The 30 minute process is as follows, when inking, make sure your lines connect. After you've scanned it in just make two layers, one for colour, one for inks. Use Threshold on the inks layer to get rid of anti-aliasing. The top one has to be in multiply (there are other ways but those would take time to explain). Then select areas to colour from the ink layer with magic wand (with anti-aliasing ticked off) and expand the selection by two pixels or so. then just use the Paint bucket tool or whatever to fill the areas. After all areas are filled, lock transparency of the colour layer and paint in shadows with whatever tool you like.

Simple as that. If you've done the inking meticulously this should not take more than 30 minutes.

I'm glad I found this thread. Makes me feel better about the B&W strips I do for Critters ( http://www.crittersonline.org ). I do have some stuff in color, but most of it is in traditional crosshatch and pointilism B&W shading that I do by hand. Time is just too short for me to color my comics, which I do by hand as well.

I admit, if I was more proficient with digital coloring I probably would do my strip in color; I like the rich, even tones that can be had with it. But I'm not, so B&W it is. I guess I have a place after all!

"I've come to accept a lot of what's wrong with this world, and there's not much I can do about it." - Johnny "Rotten" Lydon

I've tried to switch to color a few times in the past. But with only a mouse to make curves I've never liked the end result. I do however agree that one of the worst part of doing a B&W comic is finding ways of representing walls without ending up with the white void. Many of the walls in our lives are plain light colored without or little adornments (schools, shopping centers, homes, etc.) Still with its limits I prefer B&W over color. In the end I think to make a viable comic you only need an entertaining story and an art style that matches well with it (comic book, cartoony, manga, whatever.)

Black and White is certainly a valid style. As a traditional artist myself, I apply my shades with ink brushes, a process that takes about the same amount of time in color or grays. The choice of gray is strictly stylistic. I do venture into color sometimes for highlights or for certain features that need to stand out, but mostly it's gray.

Walls are always tricky to deal with. You can throw some detail on them like wallpaper, cracks, spots, pictures, light switches, outlets, and such to liven them up, or a simple gradient will help, and give a sense of directional lighting to the whole thing, helping to add mood to the scene.