He's been open for a few and the QB didn't see him, and gotten close a few other times. Miller is solid, and I wish we used him more. I'd like to see him have a huge game this Sunday.

I'm beyond unimpressed with McCoy and Moore, although Moore hasn't had many looks. Where the heck has McCoy been since his TD catch against the Cowpukes?? TE - along with WR - needs serious attention this off-season.

Darrell Bevell will not use the TE's like the NE Pats do. That is his style of play and I do not see him making greater use of the TE's in the passing game. BTW...I hope that he proves me wrong this Sunday.

Bigpumpkin wrote:Darrell Bevell will not use the TE's like the NE Pats do. That is his style of play and I do not see him making greater use of the TE's in the passing game. BTW...I hope that he proves me wrong this Sunday.

Bigpumpkin wrote:Darrell Bevell will not use the TE's like the NE Pats do. That is his style of play and I do not see him making greater use of the TE's in the passing game. BTW...I hope that he proves me wrong this Sunday.

Thats not entirely true , Shaincoe had really solid years while playing for the Vikings under Bevell

SeaMeat wrote:I loved when we signed Miller and am PISSED that we are not using him as we should.

I hope he doesn't fall prey to the Law of Diminished Returns.

The Law of Dimished returns states that in all productive processes, adding more of one factor of production, while holding all others constant, will at some point yield lower per-unit returns. For example, if you have one piece of really good pizza- the 2nd piece won't taste quite as good.

I'm not sure how this fits in with Miller- we haven't had a good piece of pizza yet, because we fail to utilize him as nothing more than a blocker.

We all knew this would happen. He's a lineman now. If he's on your fantasy team, and I'm assuming that is why you might care about him so much, drop him. He won't he catching a lot of passes anytime soon. If he can block better, I'd be okay with him sticking around. I'd like to see us use more TE routes but until our O line can protect a rookie QB better, he's a blocker. Get used to it

Bigpumpkin wrote:Darrell Bevell will not use the TE's like the NE Pats do. That is his style of play and I do not see him making greater use of the TE's in the passing game. BTW...I hope that he proves me wrong this Sunday.

not true. Bevell used Shiancoe quite a bit in Minnesota

Shiancoe also didn't have to stay in to block all the time - he had a big-boy offensive line that didn't need the help.

He is the victim of 2 quarterbacks one of whom could not make a second read and one who can't (yet). Hopefully when Russ digests more of the playbook it will improve and hopefully the OLine improves as well. I feel bad for the guy actually.

SeaMeat wrote:I loved when we signed Miller and am PISSED that we are not using him as we should.

I hope he doesn't fall prey to the Law of Diminished Returns.

The Law of Dimished returns states that in all productive processes, adding more of one factor of production, while holding all others constant, will at some point yield lower per-unit returns. For example, if you have one piece of really good pizza- the 2nd piece won't taste quite as good.

I'm not sure how this fits in with Miller- we haven't had a good piece of pizza yet, because we fail to utilize him as nothing more than a blocker.

Correct, and as he is used more as a blocking TE his catching abilities will diminish.

Chip block then let go...requires a quick out by the QB. Maybe a roll out where the TE just holds his block a moment then let's go. Would be nice if we actually ran basic plays to the TE. You know, TE 101 type stuff. Is it too much to ask for from Bevell and Wilson?

Richard Sherman doesn't just wanna get in your head, he wants to build a vacation home there.

R. Sherman: "I don't want to be an island. I want to be a tourist attraction. You come, I take your money & you go."

This is so true it's become comical to me. Why the team ever decided to bring him in just to be a blocking TE is just ridiculous. He is far too valuable to be wasted in this manner.

What this team really needs to do is find an exclusive blocking TE who would be that extra O-Lineman and have Miller be the second TE who runs passing routes predominately.There has to be plenty of these type of blocking TE's out there for the team to find. They are not in that much demand.

If we can't find one then make Sweazy into a blocking TE for this year to help our right tackle. Is that so hard to figure out for Cable and PC?

This is so true it's become comical to me. Why the team ever decided to bring him in just to be a blocking TE is just ridiculous. He is far too valuable to be wasted in this manner.

What this team really needs to do is find an exclusive blocking TE who would be that extra O-Lineman and have Miller be the second TE who runs passing routes predominately.There has to be plenty of these type of blocking TE's out there for the team to find. They are not in that much demand.

If we can't find one then make Sweazy into a blocking TE for this year to help our right tackle. Is that so hard to figure out for Cable and PC?

Exactly. he was a pro bowl pass catching TE, and here he is just a body on the line. This is a huge problem I have with people that say our O-Line is ok or even good. They ARE NOT.

SeaMeat wrote:I loved when we signed Miller and am PISSED that we are not using him as we should.

I hope he doesn't fall prey to the Law of Diminished Returns.

The Law of Dimished returns states that in all productive processes, adding more of one factor of production, while holding all others constant, will at some point yield lower per-unit returns. For example, if you have one piece of really good pizza- the 2nd piece won't taste quite as good.

I'm not sure how this fits in with Miller- we haven't had a good piece of pizza yet, because we fail to utilize him as nothing more than a blocker.

Correct, and as he is used more as a blocking TE his catching abilities will diminish.

i'm not so sure his catching abilities would diminish(you know, the once you learn to ride a bicycle syndome). mayge his opportunities.... but that will evolve.

We only pass in the low 20's in an entire game. Divide it up over 5-6 and a 50% completion rate and 2-3 is all that can be expected. Miller is a really valuable player blocks and catches well. He is not utilized enough , nor is Rice.

Until they decide to pass more ( which i don't see happening soon)that will continue to be the case

Largent80 wrote:. This is a huge problem I have with people that say our O-Line is ok or even good. They ARE NOT.

They are a good RUN blocking O-Line, and the stats prove that. But I can't understand why that doesn't equate to at least a decent pass blocking line.......especially for a unit that's now been together a year, so the communication should be good.

It's been well-documented that Zach Miller's run-blocking is a big part of the line's success. That's a big part of what Pete is paying him for.

We naturally disagree because Miller is eligible to catch passes and we're looking in every nook and cranny to find ways to boost the passing game, but hey, Pete has built the entire offense around the run game. Take it up with him.