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Well yeah, obese people always like to say this. Take a room of 100 obese (mind you, I'm not talking folks that are 10 lbs. overweight) and you might find one that has an issue of genetics.

It's portion size at meals, eating out a lot, incessant snacking with processed foods in between the oversized meals, and an extreme lack of exercise because people drive everywhere because they live in suburban environments.

If I look down and cant see my feet anymore... does that mean I am now a bear?

Well, if your belly hangs out more than your dicky do, then you might be a bear, but, nothing wrong with that, due to my age, I'm considered a Daddy Bear, although my size, body weight & Height , and the lack of much furr except on my chest & goatee, I'm still a Bear..............WOOF lotta cubs in here, I like this

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I look back on this time last year (getting over PCP and just starting on Atripla) and at that time I was way too thin. I remember standing at the kitchen sink with my 501s on and reached up to get something out of the cabinet above, down to the floor my pants went in one fell swoop. That aint gonna happen today with the little bit of belly that I have these days and I like having it when compared to being too thin.

an extreme lack of exercise because people drive everywhere because they live in suburban environments.

you whacked the nail on the head on that one. except its not cars - it's TV and video games and children without proper supervision/instruction.

for the last 10 yrs while I've worked in the backyard and played in the pool, I noticed that I only see the neighborhood children for about 4 weeks. Every day for two weeks after school releases for the summer, those little buggers are everywhere - biking, running, playing, etc. Then I don't see a soul for the rest of summer. When school starts back, I see the kids out again every afternoon for about two weeks. If it wasn't for those weeks and the yellow buses every day, I'd wonder if people were even still having children.

I look back on this time last year (getting over PCP and just starting on Atripla) and at that time I was way too thin. I remember standing at the kitchen sink with my 501s on and reached up to get something out of the cabinet above, down to the floor my pants went in one fell swoop. That aint gonna happen today with the little bit of belly that I have these days and I like having it when compared to being too thin.

My otherhalf says I'm a bear, but he's more of a bear than me, he has furr all over his body, I don't, but yet in the gay bear community I'm still a bear to them, so, hey it is what it is James, don't over think theconcept dear

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Oh come on -- If a guy is that hairy but instead of being 30 lbs. overweight is a fit weight you don't call him a bear. The fact remains, as I began the discussion, is that there's been an eroticization of FAT in the gay community, one that didn't exist 20 years ago. They were just called fat, hairy men. It's like straight men into Chubby Porn Go buy a bag of Doritoes and masturbate next time.

OK, well then what would you call me then, @ 6'3 190lbs size 13d boots that's works out 6 days a week?it's ok if you wanna call me fat I still love ya dear but Yes, I do agree with you in some degree some Fat guys have hijacked the whole bear thing ,just to fit in, Fat is still Fat honey

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I would post my video but I would prolly get banned from the forums due to the explicit nature of it. Been told I am more of a cub. WTF! I am just me. I do wish I could get more of my butt back. I am in a 'noassatall' situation since I lost so much weight last year and I want my tush back.

I'm 5'9" and 180. Technically overweight. The most I have ever weighed is 189. Back in 2002 I dropped down to 135. After an endoscopy, colonoscopy and all kinds of tests the doctors decided it was HIV itself affecting my ability to absorb food. Combined with my lipoatrophy I looked horrible and strangers were asking what was wrong with me. I changed HIV meds and the weight started to slowly come back.

I'm 5'9" and 180. Technically overweight. The most I have ever weighed is 189. Back in 2002 I dropped down to 135. After an endoscopy, colonoscopy and all kinds of tests the doctors decided it was HIV itself affecting my ability to absorb food. Combined with my lipoatrophy I looked horrible and strangers were asking what was wrong with me. I changed HIV meds and the weight started to slowly come back.

FORD, my otherhalf Bob is the same BMI as you 5'9" and 173, so I wouldn't say your Fat by any means but that's just my own opinion if you have muscle that's not considered overweight to me......Fat is still Fat, and muscle is still muscle, to me it's NOT the same thing

« Last Edit: March 28, 2011, 09:06:01 PM by denb45 »

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Now Dennis, you know teasing the readers on this forum is not nice. Well, you are from LA... remember that survey??

@ 5'9 173 Bob isn't small, both of us aren't and that is what scares the hell outta all these queens in ABQ not to mention we look like 2 gay bikers, and most of the guys, can't seem to deal with that Oh and by the way Bob is from NY, he's an upstate farm boy from Water Town NY and I'm a central valley farm boyfrom Sacramento, Ca.....

« Last Edit: March 28, 2011, 09:32:33 PM by denb45 »

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You guys (David, Ford, and Dennis) are at an ideal weight so dont change a thing. Summer is coming and some of that will drop off anyhow with the increase in outside activities.

If I didn't have lipo I would agree, but mine is extreme on my legs and ass so NO weight disperses there, it all goes in my trunk area so it looks off balance. Not a lot because I'm not actually fat, but it makes me look fatter than I am, if that makes sense.

If I didn't have lipo I would agree, but mine is extreme on my legs and ass so NO weight disperses there, it all goes in my trunk area so it looks off balance. Not a lot because I'm not actually fat, but it makes me look fatter than I am, if that makes sense.

You look marvelous darling I've seen pictures and proof

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"it's so nice to be insane, cause no-one ask you to explain" Helen Reddy cc 1974

Seems to me that skinny and muscly have always been valued and eroticised, in the 70's 80's and on up to now. That Bears came into their own in the 90's and the 00's is a good development. Everyone should have the opportunity to be considered sexy and desireable, what's wrong with that?

I get the point that obesity is a health issue and being considered sexy (cause a bear) is a bad way to justify a health issue. But not all bears are wallowing in their bearness nor being gluttons to the honey pot in order to be hot.

I certainly know enough men who, after a certain, age, starve themselves to retain the skinny "ephebe" look. It doesn't really fool ANYONE except each other and their silly fetishization of thinness - cause it looks "young". ("I still fit into my 28's" -- oh please barbara don't you have anything else to offer at 45 years old!)

And certainly others who through steroids and constant bodybuilding retain the semblance of a young footballer's mass and power.

So those can ALSO be unhealthy lifestyles resulting in somewhat still eroticised images.

So in the end, nobody wants to promote obesity, but once someone is a fatty, thank god some other people find this attractive and hot.

The only people calling "Bears" an excuse for sloth or obesity are probably ectomorphs or mesomorphs who have sour grapes, or don't want to share the spotlight. Sour grapes because bears can achieve hotness much easier than others can achieve slim youthfulness or hot hunkiness, and bears can maintain it longer. I'm not a bear but I think its a VERY clever and positive spin on things by the bears.

On that note: Gymrats pic IS a bear. Miss P - your pic is of a stud - a hairy mesomorph. Nothing bear there.

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