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F10 / F11 (2011 - 2016) The sixth generation of the BMW 5 Series Sedan (F10) was produced from 2011 - 2016 with LCI updates arriving in 2014. In the US BMW offered a hatchback 5 Series Gran Truismo (F07) and the rest of the world also go a Station Wagon/Touring version F11.

First, I am not a troll and have been a member of this site for many years. I have owned four Bimmers in the past but have been driving MB since 2010 and 2011.

I was shopping the new 650ix grand sport 4 dr. It is a super looking car. The only competitive comparable was the MB CLS550. I priced out two equally equipped cars. The Bimmer came in at 119K and the Mercedes at 93K. These are Canadian prices. The cars had the same equipment but the BMW had 43hp more. The dealer told me he can change the tuning chip on the CLS with the SL that has the same engine and increase the hp to 429 leaving only 16hp difference. Even though I preferred the BMW,I could not justify the extra 25K.

My question is this. Did I make a mistake???

PS I love my CLS and since I did not drive either car before buying, I assume both are great cars.

The S,SL,and the CLS all have the same engine but MB in their wisdom wanted to make a difference on the more expensive models. I am aware that there are other tuners that can bring the HP to over 500hp and 500lbs of torque.

The hp was not my primary goal in either car. The 402hp with 443lbs of torque is quite adequate in the CLS.

my .02 with Mercedes-Benz. Horrible build quality. Horrible service. The people are nice, but techs and staff do nothing to fix a complaint. Build quality is a seriuos issue in my book. I had two W121 E350's and nothing ut pure problems.

bmw IMO offers a much better product. on the MB forums you have guys having to rip open their own interiors to fix rattles and squeaks with foam, sticky tape, and probably bubble gum. MB is using some materials that have heavy-offgassing which may be irritating to some people.

BMW makes a good product. I've had my share of problems with them and dumped a car in a heartbeat. But of all the Germans....BMW seems to offer the best quality. My service has been excellent.

In any event, I have long since said that the 6 GC is pretty overpriced. In the US, the price of a fairly well loaded 640i GC is the same as a slightly lesser equipped CLS 63 AMG.

This makes sense how?

Agree. I don't get the Gran Coupe pricing at all, and it is not even available with some features that are commonly bought on 5 series cars such as soft close doors. I like the car, but I could never bring myself to buy one over a 5 series.

Agree. I don't get the Gran Coupe pricing at all, and it is not even available with some features that are commonly bought on 5 series cars such as soft close doors. I like the car, but I could never bring myself to buy one over a 5 series.

But the 6 GC has features the 2013 5 series doesn't, like 4-zone climate control (unless you get a 5 GT or 5 AH) and an actual exhaust note. It also has a bigger iDrive screen and a bigger engine (650 vs. 550). It looks better inside and out and handles better. And although it doesn't actually slide open, the moon roof is significantly larger (I liked this, too).

But 4-zone is something I really wanted. I considered a 6 GC because of it. The wife nixed it because of price (25K difference between the builds I wanted). Overall I would say the 6 GC is a better car, but not 25K better. Probably 10-12K better IMO. I would have purchased one if that was the difference.

So I guess your point is well taken feature differences aside. Clearly the biggest thing you are paying for when buying a 6 GC is exclusivity. I'm not quite there yet :-)

But the 6 GC has features the 2013 5 series doesn't, like 4-zone climate control (unless you get a 5 GT or 5 AH) and an actual exhaust note. It also has a bigger iDrive screen and a bigger engine (650 vs. 550). It looks better inside and out and handles better. And although it doesn't actually slide open, the moon roof is significantly larger (I liked this, too).

But 4-zone is something I really wanted. I considered a 6 GC because of it. The wife nixed it because of price (25K difference between the builds I wanted). Overall I would say the 6 GC is a better car, but not 25K better. Probably 10-12K better IMO. I would have purchased one if that was the difference.

So I guess your point is well taken feature differences aside. Clearly the biggest thing you are paying for when buying a 6 GC is exclusivity. I'm not quite there yet :-)

-Corey

It has a bigger iDrive Screen? The one in my F10 is pretty big. What size is in the GC?

I have never test driven a car before buying. As far as what you think? I just wanted to know if anyone agreed with me that the 650 was poor value.

I used to love CLS design. Still like it, though..
But my wife disapproved Mercedes based on the average drivers age.
So 550xi.

I really love 650 design. 2 doors IMHO better than 4, but both are terrific.
Anyway, in the 100K price there are no other thoughts - only M5.
If you don't need to drive this car every day (in the snow storm or icing rain, I mean) - then RWD would be totally fine.

See, when the Government spends money, it creates jobs; whereas when the money is left in the hands of Taxpayers, God only knows what they do with it. Bake it into pies, probably. Anything to avoid creating jobs. - Dave Barry

But the 6 GC has features the 2013 5 series doesn't, like 4-zone climate control (unless you get a 5 GT or 5 AH) and an actual exhaust note. It also has a bigger iDrive screen and a bigger engine (650 vs. 550). It looks better inside and out and handles better. And although it doesn't actually slide open, the moon roof is significantly larger (I liked this, too).

But 4-zone is something I really wanted. I considered a 6 GC because of it. The wife nixed it because of price (25K difference between the builds I wanted). Overall I would say the 6 GC is a better car, but not 25K better. Probably 10-12K better IMO. I would have purchased one if that was the difference.

So I guess your point is well taken feature differences aside. Clearly the biggest thing you are paying for when buying a 6 GC is exclusivity. I'm not quite there yet :-)

I did not need the test drive because I knew both cars would be great with the advantage to the BMW. I was trading a 2011 E350 4M so both cars were an upgrade. The AMG and the M5 were non starters since I live in snow country(Canada).

As far a quality and reliability is concerned MB is as good as any of them since 2010. I traded two BMW's on two E350's in 2010 and 2011. I had one small warranty claim for a door lock on the 2010 and nothing on the 2011. At best, BMW could only match that.

My question still stands. Who would pay 25K more for two similarly equipped 655 IX Gran Sport vs a CLS? Not many replies addressed the question.

First, I am not a troll and have been a member of this site for many years. I have owned four Bimmers in the past but have been driving MB since 2010 and 2011.

I was shopping the new 650ix grand sport 4 dr. It is a super looking car. The only competitive comparable was the MB CLS550. I priced out two equally equipped cars. The Bimmer came in at 119K and the Mercedes at 93K. These are Canadian prices. The cars had the same equipment but the BMW had 43hp more. The dealer told me he can change the tuning chip on the CLS with the SL that has the same engine and increase the hp to 429 leaving only 16hp difference. Even though I preferred the BMW,I could not justify the extra 25K.

My question is this. Did I make a mistake???

PS I love my CLS and since I did not drive either car before buying, I assume both are great cars.

Mercedes, at least in Canada are cheaper through the most of the comparable lines I found. I don't think you made a mistake at all. It's a good car.