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... I think if I were able to start over, I would probably offer a slightly different variation. I really want to challenge the idea of Christmas as it is currently practiced by society being a purely Christian holiday, among other integration. I would probably argue the "secular" reasoning a bit different, in that there are some plausible secular motivations for keeping the current holiday. (sort of a second step to the first point). .. A few other things, mostly in re-arranging how the points are communicated, as I think I could have done a better job Anyway.. I'll give it some thought and let you know prior to a reboot.. I had thought about starting a new thread, as it was a substantial sub plot to the thread topic (directly related of course).

NP, after all these years I still have to work on form. I really need to start keeping a kind of response outline because trying to go back and summarize 3 -4 pages of responses, and confirm what has indeed been supported or not.. it's impossible, well maybe just a whole lot of work. Then, I tend to take too big a bite and post 5 or 6 sub arguments. Anyway, we are still a work in progress.