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Re: Upset about Mahimni's contract? Consider this...

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Of your list, Haywood, Andersen, Gomes are already amnestied, Brad Miller is already bought out, and the Kwame Brown and Nazr Mohammed info is outdated. Kwame and Nazr are now on much cheaper contracts, as listed below.

That list reads like a who's who of overpaid backup bigs in the NBA. I'm not at all proud that our new signing seems to fit right in with that bunch. The only names I like on the list are Hayes and Amir Johnson, but even I realize that their production don't match their contracts. Hayes especially has been disappointing on the Kings.

A fairer comparison would be to see how much other similar bigs signed for this offseason. Here's a (more or less) comprehensive list of such signings (ordered by annual salary):

I've leave it up to the reader to judge for himself/herself whether Mahinmi's contract is good value in light of other teams' signings. I will point out though that his 4 year contract stands out - only Jason Thompson of the Kings got a longer contract. In terms of annual salary, the guys at the top are expected to start, while the guys at the bottom are obvious backups. Mahinmi's $4m annual salary would fall somewhere in the middle.

To me anyway, I think Mahinmi's contract comes up with raised expectations. He's being paid like a core rotation player, so I'm expecting him to be able to hold down a rotation spot at least.

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Re: Upset about Mahimni's contract? Consider this...

wintermute and I agree, plus he's using more recent contracts, and not last year's numbers.

Ian got a pretty fair contract to me.

The only thing I'm not too happy about is that he isn't a strong rebounder. West isn't a strong rebounder, Tyler isn't a strong rebounder, Ian not a strong rebounder. Hibbs, while not elite, is an above average rebounder.

I guess Plumlee is a strong rebounder, but he certainly didn't show it at Summer League.

Vogel has his work cut out for him and so he better be preaching and teaching guys to box out. Lack of rebounders could hurt.

Also, Hibbs and Ian are both foul prone. I could see Plumlee getting some minutes this year. If the Pacers don't bring in another PF, I would hope that Plumlee work his way into the backup PF if Tyler continues to struggle.

First time in a long time, I've been happy with the team that was constructed, and now they struggle. I blame the coach.

Re: Upset about Mahimni's contract? Consider this...

Of your list, Haywood, Andersen, Gomes are already amnestied, Brad Miller is already bought out, and the Kwame Brown and Nazr Mohammed info is outdated. Kwame and Nazr are now on much cheaper contracts, as listed below.

That list reads like a who's who of overpaid backup bigs in the NBA. I'm not at all proud that our new signing seems to fit right in with that bunch. The only names I like on the list are Hayes and Amir Johnson, but even I realize that their production don't match their contracts. Hayes especially has been disappointing on the Kings.

A fairer comparison would be to see how much other similar bigs signed for this offseason. Here's a (more or less) comprehensive list of such signings (ordered by annual salary):

I've leave it up to the reader to judge for himself/herself whether Mahinmi's contract is good value in light of other teams' signings. I will point out though that his 4 year contract stands out - only Jason Thompson of the Kings got a longer contract. In terms of annual salary, the guys at the top are expected to start, while the guys at the bottom are obvious backups. Mahinmi's $4m annual salary would fall somewhere in the middle.

To me anyway, I think Mahinmi's contract comes up with raised expectations. He's being paid like a core rotation player, so I'm expecting him to be able to hold down a rotation spot at least.

I just used the numbers available at Shamsports

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Re: Upset about Mahimni's contract? Consider this...

re the general point - i agree, there's no reason to be upset about the contract.

the trade was the upsetting part.

the contract size is fine.
obviously, he'll have to live up to it. Brendan Haywood could've been had for 2 mil per, and Mahinmi didn't exactly outplay him last year.
but it's a solid bet. Mahinmi's young and solid.

Re: Upset about Mahimni's contract? Consider this...

To me anyway, I think Mahinmi's contract comes up with raised expectations. He's being paid like a core rotation player, so I'm expecting him to be able to hold down a rotation spot at least.

Yep. We're out on a limb somewhat here. Yes, he's regarded as a Mr. P. But, now he has to realize it at least to the level of a regular second - line contributor. Otherwise, we'll have some egg on our face, at least in terms of contract length.

Along the same lines, this seemed to be the main strategy for our three offseason (non-draft) acquisitions. Go for potential types and hope we get larger than expected returns. Mahinmi and Green both could feasibly develop pretty far beyond their established baseline performance. Agustin could recoup pre-injury, pre-abjectly awful Bobcats performance.

Only issue is, as we know, the "P" game is always a crap shoot. But, it's probably a good philosophy for us assuming that we were unfortunately never legit players for the FA big names.

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As the moment of the trade happened, I was and still thrilled we got him. Only he will disappoint now and I don't see that happening. Pacers have everything for paint presence that didn't have last year. Fantastic job FO.

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Re: Upset about Mahimni's contract? Consider this...

As the moment of the trade happened, I was and still thrilled we got him. Only he will disappoint now and I don't see that happening. Pacers have everything for paint presence that didn't have last year. Fantastic job FO.

To me anyway, I think Mahinmi's contract comes up with raised expectations. He's being paid like a core rotation player, so I'm expecting him to be able to hold down a rotation spot at least.

Mahinmi WAS a core rotational player for the Mavs the past two years. He's improved every year he was there. I don't see why he wouldn't be able to put up similar if not increased production for the Pacers.

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Is he really better than Lou? I'm actually just asking because honestly I have no idea but for a backup I always thought Lou was pretty good.

Honestly he's probably just as good as Lou, but about 4 inches taller and with better length/athleticism.

I think the bigger difference in the two players aside from their height is that Mahinmi is a good finisher around the basket. Lou would routinely miss a put back or alley-oop, where I think Ian will be able to just stuff it through the hoop.

Re: Upset about Mahimni's contract? Consider this...

Honestly he's probably just as good as Lou, but about 4 inches taller and with better length/athleticism.

I think the bigger difference in the two players aside from their height is that Mahinmi is a good finisher around the basket. Lou would routinely miss a put back or alley-oop, where I think Ian will be able to just stuff it through the hoop.

How tall is he? Lou is 6'9" is he listed at 7'1"?

Edit: I just went and looked he is listed at 6'11" so he's only 2" taller than Lou.

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