AFAIK, the only thrust of the Tea Party people is fiscal responsibility. Others of various stripes have attributed various BS views to "the Tea Party" but, in point of fact, there really is no Tea Party other than mailing lists of Yahoo Groups and such, and no consistent agenda other than fiscal responsibility.

ABC's Ross made no attempt to contact the Tea Party web site or the James Holmes listed, apparently. I would imagine that he found the listing through a web search on the name, rather than going right to a Tea Party web page, but, if so, there would have been a *lot* of hits on such a common name, and Ross mentioned *just one*.

The head shot of James Holmes The Suspect that is currently being headlined on the news sites looks more like Ronald McDonald than the Joker to me. Maybe this guy thinks he is the HamBurglar on steroids?

jbc:ABC retracted it the same day, yet the biggest butthurt is coming from Teatards who more than three years later still haven't retracted their demonstrably false claims that the president was born in Kenya. It's extremely difficult to feel sorry for these douchebags.

The man's own promotional material claimed he was from Kenya. Given the first public accusation of his ineligibility, aside from writings that he himself approved, came from a certain venomous woman in his own party, I see no reason to fault the "tea party" for the comments of some individuals within it. I wouldn't call all Democrats nuts just because 38% harbored some sort of truther belief while Bush was in office, nor could Republicans ("all" being implied) be labeled anti-science idiots just because a probably similar percentage of them are scientific illiterates.

rufus-t-firefly:Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that they scream about "Second Amendment solutions" and carry signs reading "We came unarmed - this time."

Oh please. All my adult life I have listened to the 2A fanboys scream about two things: 1, that they need their guns to throw off Govt if it becomes oppressive and 2, that Govt has become oppressive. I wait for them to show up on Capitol Hill with their God given guns and patriotic sense of duty, but alas, they seem only interested in shooting black kids.

Pants full of macaroni!!:oldweevil: To be fair, is it really that much of a stretch to think that an unhinged lunatic with an unhealthy obsession for firearms might be a Tea Party member? Or is that retard profiling?

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A VIOLENT CONSERVATIVE.

So what you are saying is that every gang member who listens to gangster rap is a tea party member?

That everyone who plays COD is a tea party member?

Are you forgetting that revolutionaries on the left around the world practically worship at the altar of the AK-47? That it appears in revolutionary artwork?

Yes, it was completely and utterly stupid of ABC not to double check that there's more than one James Holmes in the world. A news organization is supposed to have certain, basic standards. All news outlets have become so desperate to be the first to break a story they barely bother to research. They just throw out whatever theory fits the facts.

All that aside, the Tea Party wouldn't have been in their sights if that Limbaugh guy hadn't politicized the movie to begin with. I mean, I'm from Ireland and I heard his crackpot theory about it being an anti-romney thing. Okay, I heard it on a comic forum where people were laughing at him, but I still heard it. It's pretty clear that he shamelessly jumped on the movie's massive publicity so that people would associate the tea party's message with it.

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha:snocone: Happy Hours: birchman: If there is a suspicion that they are a danger to themselves or others they can be committed.

That doesn't really do much besides getting them off the streets for 72 hours.

It does not actually mean they will get any help at all.

If they just needed a cooling off period then great - problem averted, but this guy had been planning this for months.

Like a suicider, there simply is no defence for this.Passing a bunch of "control" laws is just subterfuge to further another agenda entirely.

There is no putting Jinns back into bottles!

If you have a problem w/ doing your duty and LEARNING & TRAINING with guns, support your neighbor.It is your duty to protect yourself and yours.

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The word is duty.Not doody.

Cicero,an early philosopher who discusses duty in his work "On Duty", suggests that duties can come from four different sources:[2] 1.as result of being human 2.as a result of one's particular place in life (one's family, one's country, one's job) 3.as a result of one's character 4.as a result of one's own moral expectations for oneself

Lee Jackson Beauregard:sardonicobserver: AFAIK, the only thrust of the Tea Party people is fiscal responsibility "if that uppity ni*BONG* is fer it, we're agin it!"

Where was the "Tea Party" and its fiscal responsibility when george w. bush was beating the war drums?

A lot of them were thinking about who they would vote for in 2008, and a lot of those people ended up not voting because they didn't have a candidate. If you observe that all your political foes happen to be hypocrites, consider it's your perception of reality that is at fault and not team A/ B. Or you can continue to pretend a sizable percentage of self-claimed fiscal conservatives thought Bush was the bomb no matter what he did. There's always going to be a few blind followers. BO certainly has a couple. If it makes you feel better just knowing that not only are people who think differently than you wrong, but they are also hypocrites, thoughtless, uneducated, etc....well, how you feel is what really matters, so have at it and stay convinced as best you can. Works for me...

snocone:ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: snocone: Happy Hours: birchman: If there is a suspicion that they are a danger to themselves or others they can be committed.

That doesn't really do much besides getting them off the streets for 72 hours.

It does not actually mean they will get any help at all.

If they just needed a cooling off period then great - problem averted, but this guy had been planning this for months.

Like a suicider, there simply is no defence for this.Passing a bunch of "control" laws is just subterfuge to further another agenda entirely.

There is no putting Jinns back into bottles!

If you have a problem w/ doing your duty and LEARNING & TRAINING with guns, support your neighbor.It is your duty to protect yourself and yours.

[techredible.com image 500x420]

The word is duty.Not doody.

Cicero,an early philosopher who discusses duty in his work "On Duty", suggests that duties can come from four different sources:[2] 1.as result of being human 2.as a result of one's particular place in life (one's family, one's country, one's job) 3.as a result of one's character 4.as a result of one's own moral expectations for oneself

/missed it by way more than that much

Oh wow, you know how to copy and paste! There's no "duty" to have anything to do with guns, and your apparent paranoia doesn't change that.

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha:snocone: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: snocone: Happy Hours: birchman: If there is a suspicion that they are a danger to themselves or others they can be committed.

That doesn't really do much besides getting them off the streets for 72 hours.

It does not actually mean they will get any help at all.

If they just needed a cooling off period then great - problem averted, but this guy had been planning this for months.

Like a suicider, there simply is no defence for this.Passing a bunch of "control" laws is just subterfuge to further another agenda entirely.

There is no putting Jinns back into bottles!

If you have a problem w/ doing your duty and LEARNING & TRAINING with guns, support your neighbor.It is your duty to protect yourself and yours.

[techredible.com image 500x420]

The word is duty.Not doody.

Cicero,an early philosopher who discusses duty in his work "On Duty", suggests that duties can come from four different sources:[2] 1.as result of being human 2.as a result of one's particular place in life (one's family, one's country, one's job) 3.as a result of one's character 4.as a result of one's own moral expectations for oneself

/missed it by way more than that much

Oh wow, you know how to copy and paste! There's no "duty" to have anything to do with guns, and your apparent paranoia doesn't change that.

First it was fists, nails and teeth.Then came sticks or rocks, you decide.Then came sharp stones.And stones on sticks.Knives.Swords.Bows & arrows.And so on.We now have guns, a far cry from tomorrow's personal weapons, I am sure.You also have nukes, bioweapons and chit you have not been told about for good reason.None of them are going away, regardless of any foolish legislation you may fancy.

There are a lot of people in the world that will come to your house for your stuff, your women and children.Today they will bring guns. Will your naivete' stop them?

This is paranoid? You, my friend, need aging, experience and to get out of the basement(frat house) for a while.There is a real world out there.It bites!

snocone:First it was fists, nails and teeth.Then came sticks or rocks, you decide.Then came sharp stones.And stones on sticks.Knives.Swords.Bows & arrows.And so on.We now have guns, a far cry from tomorrow's personal weapons, I am sure.You also have nukes, bioweapons and chit you have not been told about for good reason.None of them are going away, regardless of any foolish legislation you may fancy.

There are a lot of people in the world that will come to your house for your stuff, your women and children.Today they will bring guns. Will your naivete' stop them?

This is paranoid? You, my friend, need aging, experience and to g ...

I don't "fancy" any legislation to take away your guns or anyone else's. And yes, thinking the world is out to get you is a clear sign of paranoia and delusion. Seriously, you need psychiatric help.

Happy Hours:ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: No, that would be ridiculous, but maybe--just maybe--we don't need to pore over every detail of his life. Even if he doesn't want attention; giving him it won't fix what happened, it won't stop someone else from doing the same thing.

Like it or not, it's what people seem to want. My biggest question in all of this is "why?". Sure, it won't prevent future incidents and it doesn't solve anything but it might give some insight.

I thought the memorial last night was kind of creepy. They recited the names of all the victims who died and the audience responded with "we will never forget" after each name. Really? They'll never forget those people? They'll probably never forget that 12 people died and maybe not forget that a few died shielding their girlfriends, but all 12 of them? I wonder how many of those people could repeat all 12 names today let alone next month or next year and yet they mechanically repeated "We will never forget" after each name was said.

That won't fix what happened either nor will it prevent anything like that from ever happening again in the future yet apparently some people felt it was very important.

They were mostly just ordinary people who got caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. It happens all the time. It's just rare that it happens to so many people at once. What about all the other people who got killed just for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Well, we never even heard their names.

What about John Wilkes Booth? Lee Harvey Oswald? Mark David Chapman? John Hinkley? Did having their names in the press spur others to copy them? Were they glorified in any way?

I don't think we should simplify history and just say some crazy guy killed someone or some people.