The only recent phenomenon is the facebook groups, which have inflated the prices a bit i agree. But they are also great for people like me with "normal" type discs. I can throw a new basic plastic disc up there I couldn't get $7 shipped for here and get $10 on the auction site.

Mint pearly 11xs have always been high $$$. I thought I've seen the CE prices come DOWN actually, maybe I'm the crazy one

Maybe its just because I'm looking for stuff now and I'm like damn that a lot of money

yeah where I see the most is on Facebook and tis not the sellers as much as it is the buyers, though sometimes tis the sellers too. They will just pay crazy prices for stuff on there, I don't get it.

As for CE I don't pay too much attention because its always been too expensive for me. But I figured I could get some relative bargains on some 10x or 11x stuff or something like that and there just aren't any....Maybe I need to manage my expectations

Part of what I always thought sold people on CE in the first place is the durability and retention of its flight characteristics. Now that it's no longer bulletproof, why pay the premium for it? KC Pros seen a rise in price lately. I imagine once it stops being the next bulletproof plastic, old Champ will bring the premium.

What do I know though? I'm just a simple disc thrower. Your collecting ways frighten and confuse me.

This issue goes much deeper than the rare & OOP market. People are using flashy adjectives, as well as generous condition ratings to bait clueless people into paying much more than a fair price for a disc you can get off the shelf at PIAS.

I place absolutely no blame on the sellers, though. If someone is willing to buy a disc for way more than it's worth, why wouldn't you sell it? You would be foolish not to.

A recent example was the circle stamp Eagles. I wanted one beacuse I like Eagles, and they look really cool. They sold out quickly form the Innova store, and they immediately started popping up elsewhere online, selling for damn near twice as much as they were bought for originally. Not worth it to me. I'll take a stock stamp 12x any day of the week, and not feel terrible about losing it in the water.

I understand how a free market works, but the buying and selling of discs shouldn't be about making money. A second hand disc (even if it's new) should never sell for more than one straight from the store (I don't care how pearly and flat it is).

I occasionally browse the auction and collector sites, and have to restrain myself from pointing out how foolish these people are.

I have no real solution to this problem. Personally, I try to trade locally, or buy new from my neighborhood shop. And I don't mess around with the OOP market. There is too much fluctuation and gouging.

I could rant about this issue all day ($30 for a disc because it has a dye..)
A $30 used disc will not make you a 1000 rated golfer. Period.