That is not about self-esteem. That is about blaming the women for the actions disgusting men choose to take. Leave off all the bullshiat about whistling at women, and remove that idiotic perky cartoon character, keep the part about promising to clean up your farking mess, and quit acting like misogyny is something that you can't control.

Sorry, but when you guys decide to frame the argument in this way, it doesn't make the women look bad for choosing to wear clothing and walk down the street. It makes men look like savage beasts who can't be expected to control themselves.

Troublesome Strumpet:This on top of making it sound like women should just put up with harassment, that it's no big deal.

Except it's not suggesting that women should put up with it; it's suggesting that women should take such actions as a compliment! You were so sexy, I just HAD to whistle at you! Blaming the victim while making the perpetrator look like a drooling bag of hormones.

I dunno, maybe people just need to lighten the fark up. It's not like the sign said " sorry our workers are so horny they cannot help but whistle at you and put their tongue between a finger peace sign. But it's because your hot"

The My Little Pony Killer:That is not about self-esteem. That is about blaming the women for the actions disgusting men choose to take. Leave off all the bullshiat about whistling at women, and remove that idiotic perky cartoon character, keep the part about promising to clean up your farking mess, and quit acting like misogyny is something that you can't control.

Sorry, but when you guys decide to frame the argument in this way, it doesn't make the women look bad for choosing to wear clothing and walk down the street. It makes men look like savage beasts who can't be expected to control themselves.

Troublesome Strumpet: This on top of making it sound like women should just put up with harassment, that it's no big deal.

Except it's not suggesting that women should put up with it; it's suggesting that women should take such actions as a compliment! You were so sexy, I just HAD to whistle at you! Blaming the victim while making the perpetrator look like a drooling bag of hormones.

Splitting hairs perhaps, but we are in agreement. Definitely burns me up when I've been catcalled and then they call me a snob or stuck-up biatch if I ignore them, like I owe them the time of day.

Troublesome Strumpet:The My Little Pony Killer: That is not about self-esteem. That is about blaming the women for the actions disgusting men choose to take. Leave off all the bullshiat about whistling at women, and remove that idiotic perky cartoon character, keep the part about promising to clean up your farking mess, and quit acting like misogyny is something that you can't control.

Sorry, but when you guys decide to frame the argument in this way, it doesn't make the women look bad for choosing to wear clothing and walk down the street. It makes men look like savage beasts who can't be expected to control themselves.

Troublesome Strumpet: This on top of making it sound like women should just put up with harassment, that it's no big deal.

Except it's not suggesting that women should put up with it; it's suggesting that women should take such actions as a compliment! You were so sexy, I just HAD to whistle at you! Blaming the victim while making the perpetrator look like a drooling bag of hormones.

Splitting hairs perhaps, but we are in agreement. Definitely burns me up when I've been catcalled and then they call me a snob or stuck-up biatch if I ignore them, like I owe them the time of day.

Definitely in agreement, but you understand completely why this is such a passionate subject.

Troublesome Strumpet:Splitting hairs perhaps, but we are in agreement. Definitely burns me up when I've been catcalled and then they call me a snob or stuck-up biatch if I ignore them, like I owe them the time of day.

The My Little Pony Killer:Troublesome Strumpet: The My Little Pony Killer: That is not about self-esteem. That is about blaming the women for the actions disgusting men choose to take. Leave off all the bullshiat about whistling at women, and remove that idiotic perky cartoon character, keep the part about promising to clean up your farking mess, and quit acting like misogyny is something that you can't control.

Sorry, but when you guys decide to frame the argument in this way, it doesn't make the women look bad for choosing to wear clothing and walk down the street. It makes men look like savage beasts who can't be expected to control themselves.

Troublesome Strumpet: This on top of making it sound like women should just put up with harassment, that it's no big deal.

Except it's not suggesting that women should put up with it; it's suggesting that women should take such actions as a compliment! You were so sexy, I just HAD to whistle at you! Blaming the victim while making the perpetrator look like a drooling bag of hormones.

Splitting hairs perhaps, but we are in agreement. Definitely burns me up when I've been catcalled and then they call me a snob or stuck-up biatch if I ignore them, like I owe them the time of day.

Definitely in agreement, but you understand completely why this is such a passionate subject.

Yeah, I'll admit I've been a bit spoiled because soldiers on a post at least act more respectful, and if any Germans have ever said anything I couldn't understand it. One thing I'm not looking forward to going back stateside. It is infuriating that people think we should just suck it up and take it when people are making nasty comments when we're just trying to get from one place to another. We need to stop being so flippant about the effect that has on someone.

The My Little Pony Killer:That is not about self-esteem. That is about blaming the women for the actions disgusting men choose to take. Leave off all the bullshiat about whistling at women, and remove that idiotic perky cartoon character, keep the part about promising to clean up your farking mess, and quit acting like misogyny is something that you can't control.

Sorry, but when you guys decide to frame the argument in this way, it doesn't make the women look bad for choosing to wear clothing and walk down the street. It makes men look like savage beasts who can't be expected to control themselves.

Troublesome Strumpet: This on top of making it sound like women should just put up with harassment, that it's no big deal.

Except it's not suggesting that women should put up with it; it's suggesting that women should take such actions as a compliment! You were so sexy, I just HAD to whistle at you! Blaming the victim while making the perpetrator look like a drooling bag of hormones.

I found the sign to be amusing.Also, you sound young. Any woman that is middle aged will recall the days when she was 'harrassed' in this fashion.

AbbeySomeone:The My Little Pony Killer: That is not about self-esteem. That is about blaming the women for the actions disgusting men choose to take. Leave off all the bullshiat about whistling at women, and remove that idiotic perky cartoon character, keep the part about promising to clean up your farking mess, and quit acting like misogyny is something that you can't control.

Sorry, but when you guys decide to frame the argument in this way, it doesn't make the women look bad for choosing to wear clothing and walk down the street. It makes men look like savage beasts who can't be expected to control themselves.

Troublesome Strumpet: This on top of making it sound like women should just put up with harassment, that it's no big deal.

Except it's not suggesting that women should put up with it; it's suggesting that women should take such actions as a compliment! You were so sexy, I just HAD to whistle at you! Blaming the victim while making the perpetrator look like a drooling bag of hormones.

I found the sign to be amusing.Also, you sound young. Any woman that is middle aged will recall the days when she was 'harrassed' in this fashion.

Yeah, not everyone likes it, and not everyone understands that there's a line between "You look nice today" and "Woo baby I wanna tap that! Hey, where you going? What, too good to talk to me? biatch!"

Troublesome Strumpet:AbbeySomeone: The My Little Pony Killer: That is not about self-esteem. That is about blaming the women for the actions disgusting men choose to take. Leave off all the bullshiat about whistling at women, and remove that idiotic perky cartoon character, keep the part about promising to clean up your farking mess, and quit acting like misogyny is something that you can't control.

Sorry, but when you guys decide to frame the argument in this way, it doesn't make the women look bad for choosing to wear clothing and walk down the street. It makes men look like savage beasts who can't be expected to control themselves.

Troublesome Strumpet: This on top of making it sound like women should just put up with harassment, that it's no big deal.

Except it's not suggesting that women should put up with it; it's suggesting that women should take such actions as a compliment! You were so sexy, I just HAD to whistle at you! Blaming the victim while making the perpetrator look like a drooling bag of hormones.

I found the sign to be amusing.Also, you sound young. Any woman that is middle aged will recall the days when she was 'harrassed' in this fashion.

Yeah, not everyone likes it, and not everyone understands that there's a line between "You look nice today" and "Woo baby I wanna tap that! Hey, where you going? What, too good to talk to me? biatch!"

Seriously. Just because AbbeySomeone found it okay doesn't mean that the rest of the women who put up with that crap have to.

Is it really harassment if you whistle at a beautiful woman? not saying i do it, not saying its mature or intellectual, but something tells me the kind of frigid person that gets their panties in a twist over this isn't getting whistled at to begin with, so whats the problem exactly?

The My Little Pony Killer:Seriously. Just because AbbeySomeone found it okay doesn't mean that the rest of the women who put up with that crap have to.

/boy, am I glad AbbeySomeone doesn't speak for all women

Yea, I hate it. Cannot stand it when I'm trying to go about my day and some guy needs to make sure that I know he's staring at my ass. It doesn't make me feel good, it makes me feel uncomfortable with my surroundings.

Troublesome Strumpet:The My Little Pony Killer: That is not about self-esteem. That is about blaming the women for the actions disgusting men choose to take. Leave off all the bullshiat about whistling at women, and remove that idiotic perky cartoon character, keep the part about promising to clean up your farking mess, and quit acting like misogyny is something that you can't control.

Sorry, but when you guys decide to frame the argument in this way, it doesn't make the women look bad for choosing to wear clothing and walk down the street. It makes men look like savage beasts who can't be expected to control themselves.

Troublesome Strumpet: This on top of making it sound like women should just put up with harassment, that it's no big deal.

Except it's not suggesting that women should put up with it; it's suggesting that women should take such actions as a compliment! You were so sexy, I just HAD to whistle at you! Blaming the victim while making the perpetrator look like a drooling bag of hormones.

Splitting hairs perhaps, but we are in agreement. Definitely burns me up when I've been catcalled and then they call me a snob or stuck-up biatch if I ignore them, like I owe them the time of day.

Genevieve Marie:Yea, I hate it. Cannot stand it when I'm trying to go about my day and some guy needs to make sure that I know he's staring at my ass. It doesn't make me feel good, it makes me feel uncomfortable with my surroundings.

Dr. Goldshnoz:Is it really harassment if you whistle at a beautiful woman? not saying i do it, not saying its mature or intellectual, but something tells me the kind of frigid person that gets their panties in a twist over this isn't getting whistled at to begin with, so whats the problem exactly?

The problem is that it's not a compliment in the eyes of the women that you're doing it to, no matter how much you really really want it to be, so knock it off. Women are not eye candy, they're not dressed up to get attention from you, they simply want to go about their day. Let them.

Genevieve Marie:The My Little Pony Killer: Seriously. Just because AbbeySomeone found it okay doesn't mean that the rest of the women who put up with that crap have to.

/boy, am I glad AbbeySomeone doesn't speak for all women

Yea, I hate it. Cannot stand it when I'm trying to go about my day and some guy needs to make sure that I know he's staring at my ass. It doesn't make me feel good, it makes me feel uncomfortable with my surroundings.

Dr. Goldshnoz:Is it really harassment if you whistle at a beautiful woman? not saying i do it, not saying its mature or intellectual, but something tells me the kind of frigid person that gets their panties in a twist over this isn't getting whistled at to begin with, so whats the problem exactly?

LOL! Because any woman that doesn't appreciate unwanted attention is totes frigid and just can't take a compliment.

I knew this girl that did her thesis on this topic living in NY city. Whenever (usually) a construction worker would whistle at her she would approach him/them and try to interview them as to why they felt the need to cat call or whistle. 9/10 the men would run away, and typically when the rare guy wouldn't run away their response was that they didn't know it was wrong.

Troublesome Strumpet:Yeah, not everyone likes it, and not everyone understands that there's a line between "You look nice today" and "Woo baby I wanna tap that! Hey, where you going? What, too good to talk to me? biatch!"

Here's a question, do you think it's offensive if it stops at "Woo baby I wanna tap that!"? Because the sign in question doesn't give the impression that the construction workers are being douchebags, it is simply referring to the act of whistling. I think a woman who is offended by a man whistling at her in a way that indicates he's attracted to her is probably more of a douchebag than the guy whistling.

But I will certainly agree that if it turns into "Hey, where you going? What, too good to talk to me? biatch!" it's well beyond inappropriate. But those words even without the whistling would be inappropriate.

Genevieve Marie:The My Little Pony Killer: Seriously. Just because AbbeySomeone found it okay doesn't mean that the rest of the women who put up with that crap have to.

/boy, am I glad AbbeySomeone doesn't speak for all women

Yea, I hate it. Cannot stand it when I'm trying to go about my day and some guy needs to make sure that I know he's staring at my ass. It doesn't make me feel good, it makes me feel uncomfortable with my surroundings.

Seriously. And it makes me then plan out ways that I can avoid being in that particular area ever again. I could give a rat's ass about your intentions when the actual action that you take makes me feel like I need to go home, shower, and throw on a burqa.

Dr. Goldshnoz:Is it really harassment if you whistle at a beautiful woman? not saying i do it, not saying its mature or intellectual, but something tells me the kind of frigid person that gets their panties in a twist over this isn't getting whistled at to begin with, so whats the problem exactly?

Dr. Goldshnoz:Is it really harassment if you whistle at a beautiful woman? not saying i do it, not saying its mature or intellectual, but something tells me the kind of frigid person that gets their panties in a twist over this isn't getting whistled at to begin with, so whats the problem exactly?

Dr. Goldshnoz:Genevieve Marie: The My Little Pony Killer: Seriously. Just because AbbeySomeone found it okay doesn't mean that the rest of the women who put up with that crap have to.

/boy, am I glad AbbeySomeone doesn't speak for all women

Yea, I hate it. Cannot stand it when I'm trying to go about my day and some guy needs to make sure that I know he's staring at my ass. It doesn't make me feel good, it makes me feel uncomfortable with my surroundings.

URAPNIS:Genevieve Marie: Yea, I hate it. Cannot stand it when I'm trying to go about my day and some guy needs to make sure that I know he's staring at my ass. It doesn't make me feel good, it makes me feel uncomfortable with my surroundings.

Same here.

So your problem is that you don't like the thought that someone found you attractive?

Sounds to me like a man staring at your ass is the least of your issues...

Hopefully the billboard will be replaced with an advertisement for clothing, shoes, hair, makeup, weight loss, home appliances, soaps or detergents, etc...None of those products' companies would ever exploit insecurity in their target consumers.

Grungehamster:I was sexually harassed on a regular basis from the year I turned fourteen until the year I left for college. I tried so hard, every day, to ignore it. But I couldn't. It changed me. The irrepressible nervousness when a stranger approached. Being afraid to look any man on the street in the eyes. Worrying I was being followed. Not wanting to leave my house unless I had to. Crying. Not crying until I got home, then crying. Hating myself for crying. Playing the faces of dozens of men back in my mind-I remember them all. Wondering what would have happened if I had bumped into them in a deserted area. The rape nightmares.

But the worst part was how it warped my own view of myself. Maybe it was my fault, I thought. Maybe I was asking for it. It was because I was small and weak, I thought. I hated myself for my own helplessness. Hated myself every time the snappy retort, the "leave me alone," the "stop," bubbled up furiously in my heart only to wilt in my throat. The tiny, illogical, and unshakable fear that no matter how hard I worked, I would never amount to anything more than a body. That my feelings-my disgust, the anger and loathing written all over my face-would deter no one because they simply did not matter. That it would only get worse as I grew older. That my only worth was sexual. That I was less than human. That I was nothing./I'm sure this sentiment is already all over this thread, but needed to share probably the best summary of what is wrong with what some people think is harmless flirtation.

Too bad the people who need to read this the most will either skip over it or call her a wuss for not understanding their very best of precious intentions.

The My Little Pony Killer:Seriously. And it makes me then plan out ways that I can avoid being in that particular area ever again. I could give a rat's ass about your intentions when the actual action that you take makes me feel like I need to go home, shower, and throw on a burqa.

Yup. I've done that so many times- altered my routes walking around to avoid areas where I know guys that like to catcall hangout. It makes me feel like prey, and it's scary and awful in ways that a lot of men don't bother to even try and understand.

Grobbley:I think a woman who is offended by a man whistling at her in a way that indicates he's attracted to her is probably more of a douchebag than the guy whistling.

Yes, because having our own thoughts and routines interrupted so that someone we don't know whose attention we didn't seek can let us know that he finds us sufficiently farkable is something we should enjoy.