Thats a good number man. Unfortunately, as you increase in mass, the strength gains give diminishing returns. I think the best PL'ers are in the 160-180lb range and sub 10% BF. I've seen a 165lb'er squat 500lbs relatively easy and DL'ed 600+. Just amazing..

Thats a good number man. Unfortunately, as you increase in mass, the strength gains give diminishing returns. I think the best PL'ers are in the 160-180lb range and sub 10% BF. I've seen a 165lb'er squat 500lbs relatively easy and DL'ed 600+. Just amazing..

No crap. Didnt say that at all. Diminishing RETURNS. Talking about a decreasing rate of increase. Wish I was able to show u a graph to help u grasp what I'm saying. I'm talking lb for lb thats the best weight class IN GENERAL. I've seen lots of fellas in that weight range that can collectively lift 1500 between the big three. 308 class doesnt have the best ratio of weight to strength, therefore my statement of diminishing RETURNS. A return by mathematical definition is a positive number, as in an increase in total weight lifted. Typically once u get past a certain weight class, the efficiency dwindles.

I guess thats why I have been impressed with the smaller weight classes though. Saw 150lb'er press 330. Aint bad.

An old powerlifting record here in TN for the 165lb class for bp is like 420lbs. Just ridiculous. Granted, that was with SLP, which doesnt exist anymore. This is why I never bothered with powerlifting. U either have the genetics to win or u dont. Aint no way I'm gonna get to a 400+ bench without tons of Tren and weighing 180+. Seeing the record numbers was so discouraging.

Almost nobody likes it bro. If you like squat day you're obviously doing it wrong. You're numbers look good, hard to tell because proper form makes a big difference and Idk what your form looks like but if you aren't squatting you're definitely doing something wrong. At this point I would just say start squatting bro, start light and work on technique because you don't want to get hurt but you really do need to squat, and eat more lol.

Interesting thread. I am currently starting my chest days with Dumbbells. Im up to 125's x 3 reps. I do DB inclines next - up to 105's there x 5 reps on my best set. I do BB's second currently. I get up to 275 x 2. Up to 265 x 1 on incline... Haven't tried max barbell in a while...

I love squat day because it's where I feel I have the most gain potential. I look forward to it. Up to 365 ATG (after hitting 345 x 1, 355 x 1). It was a great session. Up from 345 x 1 the week before...

I dunno, I'm a pretty average bodybuilder when it comes to strength and I got up to 320lbs of bench press at 170ish lbs. My squat got well over 400 lbs and my DL saw 415lbs. I've regularly seen guys around here (in the PL'ing circles) put up 330lbs on BP weighing less than 170lbs.

Those numbers put me at 1140ish @ 170 with only 4 months of 5/3/1 and TRT. No supraphysiological levels of androgens although I did use GHRP's from time to time.

A bit of Tren and SD at the end and I bet I could've popped 1225lbs in total at around the same weight, maybe 175lbs. That's X7 on the lifts. X8 is dang good, I agree. But I feel like for us smaller guys, X6.5 should be expected if u call urself a PL'er and really X7 seems competitive. Other parts of the country may have different levels of competitiveness. We know this is possible, just look at college football!

"Strong" is the blurriest word in the lifting world. It's hard to come to an agreement because it seems each person's definition is different. I will say that a lot of people who think they have competition legal PRs in the gym are sadly mistaken and a collection of lifetime PRs in the gym taken at different times is going to be extremely inflated over posting a three lift total on nine attempts in one day.

"Strong" is the blurriest word in the lifting world. It's hard to come to an agreement because it seems each person's definition is different. I will say that a lot of people who think they have competition legal PRs in the gym are sadly mistaken and a collection of lifetime PRs in the gym taken at different times is going to be extremely inflated over posting a three lift total on nine attempts in one day.

I'm pretty new to this site, and was wondering what would be the average bench press for my weight. I weigh 133 and my height is 5' 6"ish, I've been in the gym for about 2 years now. My BP max-225..DL max-325 I don't squat because I got a bad back.

When I weighed around 130, I maxed my bench at 225, squat at 265 and deadlift at 405. You're on the right track dude, we're pretty much the same height. I don't weigh 130 anymore though, and those numbers have changed quite a bit. I'm still 5'5" though. I know what you're feeling!