Can he be eligible for a Darwin award?Is suicide-by-cop a disqualifier for a Darwin award eligibility?Where's the boy's father to say son I am dissapoint?Why would anyone steal cobblestones? At age. 27?

I'll bet the cop responsible was dirty; I'll bet he carries a "throw cobblestone." ("Throw guns" are too cliché.) This guy is betting a jury would say, "Throw cobblestone? The very idea is ludicrous!" Smart one, this cop.

Nah, times like this are when Sharpton is actually relevant. It's not often, but it does happen.

How the fark is he relevant in any way, even here? He wasn't a party to the incident, knows and represents nobody involved and inciting anger for the sake of anger doesn't constitute relevance. What entitles him to be the spokesperson for race relations? He's a proven repeatedly to be a self-serving liar, has accused, condemned and stirred up public anger toward innocent people who, even then, were entitled to and deserved the presumption of innocence. He has ruined people's lives all on the basis of race and bigotry and has yet to apologize or show any remorse for the damage he personally and intentionally caused. true ignorant bigoted racist scumbag. name one thing he's done to benefit either society, race relations, black people or anyone for that matter? Tawana Brawley Tawana Brawley Tawana Brawley.

surfrider:Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: steamingpile: The fact that Al Sharpton is involved makes me side with the cops immediately since he is always wrong.

Nah, times like this are when Sharpton is actually relevant. It's not often, but it does happen.

How the fark is he relevant in any way, even here? He wasn't a party to the incident, knows and represents nobody involved and inciting anger for the sake of anger doesn't constitute relevance. What entitles him to be the spokesperson for race relations? He's a proven repeatedly to be a self-serving liar, has accused, condemned and stirred up public anger toward innocent people who, even then, were entitled to and deserved the presumption of innocence. He has ruined people's lives all on the basis of race and bigotry and has yet to apologize or show any remorse for the damage he personally and intentionally caused. true ignorant bigoted racist scumbag. name one thing he's done to benefit either society, race relations, black people or anyone for that matter? Tawana Brawley Tawana Brawley Tawana Brawley.

Is this an incident of police committing a crime and covering it up?

Is he the first, if not only one keeping it from being swept under the rug?

Does the fact that you know about it at all stem from the huffpo reporting on it because he made it a louder issue?

The answer to those rhetorical questions is yes. Ol' Sharpton may be a dickbreathed asshole but he's what we got.

TheBigJerkIs this an incident of police committing a crime and covering it up?Is he the first, if not only one keeping it from being swept under the rug?Does the fact that you know about it at all stem from the huffpo reporting on it because he made it a louder issue?The answer to those rhetorical questions is yes. Ol' Sharpton may be a dickbreathed asshole but he's what we got.

I have seen some interviews with Sharpton and he recognized his early PR farkups with Twanda Brawly. [I am not googling to the get the spelling right on principle, just as if it was one L or two L's for Michelle.] I have seen him in interviews where he seems to acknowledge his early mistakes.

The problem with police misconduct is bigger then black and white and he could be more than just a mouthpiece for the african-american community.

"Technically, those cars belong to us. Our taxes pay not only the salaries of the police, but we also buy the cars they drive. If anything, they should be forced to use cheap used vehicles to hit cars with, not $20,000+ vehicles. And now, they are going out and buying a whole new fleet. Mustangs, Chargers, Challengers, Darts, Suburbans and other full size SUV's. Oh yeah, don't forget who gets to pay for the $100's of dollars in gas a day either. WE DO! Protect and Serve huh? Sounds more like they are protecting and serving themselves. ON OUR TAX DOLLARS. Then to recklessly hit other cars to make them stop and pin them so they can not get away. Don't forget, when they hit someone that person gets the charge of vehicular assault. Will there be any point when we stop letting them take any liberty they want simply because we "need" them. Yet another time to add to the list that the police have failed the people they are supposed to be helping. Making the mother pay, what a joke! "

20k car is expensive? shiat, let's make them drive Datsuns. Then, when they don't make it to your crackhouse in time to stop your boyfriend from slapping the shiat out of you, you can go on with even more outrage. I know, you'll get Reverend AL

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Well they can't use Datsuns because they quit making them in 1984. That said, why the fark do they need muscle cars and Suburbans in urban settings?

TheBigJerk:surfrider: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: steamingpile: The fact that Al Sharpton is involved makes me side with the cops immediately since he is always wrong.

Nah, times like this are when Sharpton is actually relevant. It's not often, but it does happen.

How the fark is he relevant in any way, even here? He wasn't a party to the incident, knows and represents nobody involved and inciting anger for the sake of anger doesn't constitute relevance. What entitles him to be the spokesperson for race relations? He's a proven repeatedly to be a self-serving liar, has accused, condemned and stirred up public anger toward innocent people who, even then, were entitled to and deserved the presumption of innocence. He has ruined people's lives all on the basis of race and bigotry and has yet to apologize or show any remorse for the damage he personally and intentionally caused. true ignorant bigoted racist scumbag. name one thing he's done to benefit either society, race relations, black people or anyone for that matter? Tawana Brawley Tawana Brawley Tawana Brawley.

Is this an incident of police committing a crime and covering it up?

Is he the first, if not only one keeping it from being swept under the rug?

Does the fact that you know about it at all stem from the huffpo reporting on it because he made it a louder issue?

The answer to those rhetorical questions is yes. Ol' Sharpton may be a dickbreathed asshole but he's what we got.

You've clearly misconstrued the media interest in sharpton for sharptons interest in the media.

he has ruined many lives and is unapologetic about lying and hiding facts to serve his own agenda based on racial intolerance. he has repeatedly knowingly accused innocent people of awful things and done so in the most damning, public manner possible all to do the most damage he could. He has time and time again painted a guilty label on innocent people spreading lies and could care less about giving anyone else the same fairness he demands be given to his bullshiat, self-serving platform. How people still defend this scumbag and pretend he is anything other than an enormous cancer on society is beyond me.

I love all the people in here that either ignore or somehow don't see the ALLEGEDLY in front of "stealing cobblestones" and immediately denounce the dead man as some kind of evil, destroying, vicious beast that deserved to be brutally slain.

he has ruined many lives and is unapologetic about lying and hiding facts to serve his own agenda based on racial intolerance. he has repeatedly knowingly accused innocent people of awful things and done so in the most damning, public manner possible all to do the most damage he could. He has time and time again painted a guilty label on innocent people spreading lies and could care less about giving anyone else the same fairness ...

Ironically enough, the NYPD has done the same things many times. I'm not saying Sharpton isn't an opportunistic scumbag, but the NYPD is hardly sympathetic

he has ruined many lives and is unapologetic about lying and hiding facts to serve his own agenda based on racial intolerance. he has repeatedly knowingly accused innocent people of awful things and done so in the most damning, public manner possible all to do the most damage he could. He has time and time again painted a guilty label on innocent people spreading lies and could care less about giving anyone else the same fairness ...

Ironically enough, the NYPD has done the same things many times. I'm not saying Sharpton isn't an opportunistic scumbag, but the NYPD is hardly sympathetic

good point. sharpton is as credible and honest as NYPD and yet people still look to him as if he's worth listening to.

cmb53208:why the fark do they need muscle cars and Suburbans in urban settings?

Suburbans are like roving supply closets and offices, they have alot more room than a patrol car. As far as the muscle car things go....personally I would rather have a fleet of cars with the HO engine and beefed up suspension instead of buying a car that would have to be upgraded. Might also be a manufacturer thing. They used to offer Crown Victorias in an upgraded interceptor model and Caprices with an upgraded LTZ type cop package. Maybe the manufacturers are only offering their performance level cars with interceptor packages.

justtray:FTFA - "According to police, the car was stopped when Robinson ran into it. Witnesses, however, maintain the car hit Robinson directly."

People always die running into cars.

We were walking my dog when I was a kid one night. My mom started having trouble breathing. She was having a heart attack, but we didn't know it yet (she's fine). The dog was so concerned about my mom she walked right into a parked car. Made a big THUNK sound. It was pretty funny later. Not so much at the time.

Earpj:cman: 1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law2. Who the fark steals cobblestones?

Allegedly.

Yep, that's the problem here. Though the kid was arrested by the cops he was never convicted of anything, if only because the poor bastard died before it could go to court.

I could see some sort of farked up situation where they decided to posthumously charge him with felony Evading Arrest, but even then that would have to go to trial, and I guarantee it would cost more than $710 of taxpayer resources to get that conviction rushed through court. That's not even factoring in the inevitable Malicious Prosecution lawsuit that would be brought for taking a farking DEAD GUY to court for felony Evading in the first place.

Anyway, regardless, this is an A+ douchebag move by the cops. I mean if the kid had hurled cobblestones at the cop car I could kind of see it, but even then... the dude died. Fining him isn't going to teach him a lesson, it's just going to make his family suffer. Unlike third-world countries, we don't punish entire families for the crimes of one member of the family*.

/*Offer not valid if you are from another country that we don't like. Some limitations apply, see consulate for details.

Ambivalence:I was not under the impression that parents are responsible for debts incurred by adult culdren. The "son" was 27 when he was killed. The city can get that money from his estate (regardless of whether there is one), otherwise parents are not financially culpable for their adult child's death.

Keizer_Ghidorah:I love all the people in here that either ignore or somehow don't see the ALLEGEDLY in front of "stealing cobblestones" and immediately denounce the dead man as some kind of evil, destroying, vicious beast that deserved to be brutally slain.

Stay classy, assholes.

Also, it's kind of surprising how many people would consider the deliberate use of deadly force to be justified by a non-violent crime, such as theft of farking stones off the street.

Nah, times like this are when Sharpton is actually relevant. It's not often, but it does happen.

He's never relevant, he's a race baiting whore and only shows up if he can get airtime. He should have been shamed into existence during tawana brawley and his drug sales but the media let's him skate, fark MSNBC gave him a show but then they are the short bus of networks.

cyberspacedout Also, it's kind of surprising how many people would consider the deliberate use of deadly force to be justified by a non-violent crime, such as theft of farking stones off the street.

1-We don't know what happened when the cop car stuck him. Yes I sound like an apologist, but this is true.2-FARK is full of trolls looking for reactions.3-We could not have the police force many communities have if some people didn't disagree with this behavior. Make it the African-American son of a preacher or mayor and it might be different. It isn't all about skin color.

It is sad that too many American cops are zero-tolerance asshole thin blue line gang members hiding behind shields vs peace officers trained to look into crimes and solve problems.

"Technically, those cars belong to us. Our taxes pay not only the salaries of the police, but we also buy the cars they drive. If anything, they should be forced to use cheap used vehicles to hit cars with, not $20,000+ vehicles. And now, they are going out and buying a whole new fleet. Mustangs, Chargers, Challengers, Darts, Suburbans and other full size SUV's. Oh yeah, don't forget who gets to pay for the $100's of dollars in gas a day either. WE DO! Protect and Serve huh? Sounds more like they are protecting and serving themselves. ON OUR TAX DOLLARS. Then to recklessly hit other cars to make them stop and pin them so they can not get away. Don't forget, when they hit someone that person gets the charge of vehicular assault. Will there be any point when we stop letting them take any liberty they want simply because we "need" them. Yet another time to add to the list that the police have failed the people they are supposed to be helping. Making the mother pay, what a joke! "

20k car is expensive? shiat, let's make them drive Datsuns. Then, when they don't make it to your crackhouse in time to stop your boyfriend from slapping the shiat out of you, you can go on with even more outrage. I know, you'll get Reverend AL

I do seem to recall a story about cops hitting someone, then citing them for reckless endangerment or some other such crap. Things where the "violation" was on video and it was clearly their fault. Multiple such stories, actually. I need to do some googling.

Thrakkorzog:So the kid lived at home and had the same address so they sent the bill to that house. The article says "they want my son to pay". The mom opened his mail and found the computerized bill and assumes the family is on the hook for the damage.

Well... that makes it MARGINALLY better, I suppose. It's still sort of shocking they'd bill the kid without a conviction though. I sure as shiat know if I fell onto a Police cruiser while being arrested and was then released without charge, getting a bill for damaging the vehicle would have me shopping for a lawyer.

You ever get the feeling these guys just live for threads where they can show off how they're so damn clever because they can "predict" when criminals will be darkies? That they lurk, and lurk, and lurk until some crime-related thread pops up...the guy was white? Dammit! Lurk, lurk, lurk...I GOT ONE! I GOT ONE...

"Darkies are bad."

*Whew!* I'm exhausted. This Fark thing is hard. I barely have enough energy left to wank all over my 8x10 glossy of David Duke before Bill O'Reilly comes on.

cman:1. Man was running away after committing a felony. Someone gets injured or killed in the escape or committing the felony it is always the responsibility of the party who was breaking the law

The problem with that point of view is, that it gives law enforcement a perverse incentive to use as much force as possible. And, that it might very well be that a suspect is proven innocent. So,

1. Proportionality is required (stealing cobblestones does not justify the death sentence of anyone involved).2. The suspect is only a suspect until proven guilty. The police don't decide in the matter.

he has ruined many lives and is unapologetic about lying and hiding facts to serve his own agenda based on racial intolerance. he has repeatedly knowingly accused innocent people of awful things and done so in the most damning, public manner possible all to do the most damage he could. He has time and time again painted a guilty label on innocent people spreading lies and could care less about giving anyone else the same fairness ...

Ironically enough, the NYPD has done the same things many times. I'm not saying Sharpton isn't an opportunistic scumbag, but the NYPD is hardly sympathetic

Yeah. The second I read NYPD I immediately thought that not only did they do that but the guy probably didn't do the crime./This is how bad you're reputation is NYPD.//Meanwhile in Minnesota a Duluth Police officer is facing criminal charges for punching a suspect in a wheelchair.

DamnYankees:Why is a 45 year old woman responsible for the bills of her 27 year old son?

She isn't. At absolute worst, the bill is for his estate, which given age, appearance, and activity was likely little to nothing and probably already disbursed given the delay.

Also, I see a lot of people using the word 'felony'. Now, the guy died and thus wasn't charged, but like Marcus said - it'd likely take a lot of cobblestones to reach that point.

AbbeySomeone:Considering he was accused of or allegedly stealing cobblestones (for cash exchange) he didn't have jacksh*t for an estate, mostly debt and unpaid child support.

Two other options I've seen was 'commit assault' by dropping said stones off a bridge(they think it's funny), or use them as impromptu jack stands to steel wheels off of cars. Don't disagree on the state of the estate though. Likely momma got the bill because the son was still living with her when he died, or was the executor of the estate, and thus in the system.

scubamage:You know, we have something called "presumption of innocence," that is, innocent until proven guilty. He's dead, so no trial. No trial = not proven guilty. Ya dig?

I'm seeing an awful lot of this here. I haven't seen ANYBODY endorse the death penalty for stealing. Some snarkiness, of course. But no serious endoresments. But I think this was the dozenth post condemning the accident as a sort of deliberate penalty/punishment done without trial.

All cman was pointing out is a LEGAL TRUTH. In some jurisdictions, you can find yourself on trial for murder of a police officer if you're robbing a bank and a responding officer dies in a car accident 10 miles away while responding to the call you created. Is it right? Perhaps not. But it's long tradition in many states that if you're committing a felony, you're responsible for what happens during that felony - your accomplice shoots somebody? First degree murder, even if you're only the driver and they haven't even left the bank yet. Heck, in Florida if the police shoot and kill your accomplice you're up for murder of your accomplice. Fun, huh? Don't commit (potentially) violent felonies then.

Now I think some police need to be fired for lying in a report(hitting vs running into), and as I view that as a more serious crime than stealing cobbles, I wouldn't have sent that bill to the estate. It's just crass, but I figure some bean counter out there did it, perhaps without realizing the kid was dead.

Oh and NYPD has had a bad reputation since before I was alive, though I heard it was cleaned up about a decade ago. Maybe it's taking another downturn. :(

cmb53208:Well they can't use Datsuns because they quit making them in 1984. That said, why the fark do they need muscle cars and Suburbans in urban settings?

Suburbans, in my area, are normally supervisor/dog vehicles. The amount of crud an officer is expected to haul around is crazy. Laptop, radio equipment, guns, ammo, safety gear, spare clothing, breathalyzer, field drug tests, flares, etc... The supervisors have it even worse, and the canine officers carry all that AND a dog(or two).

The 'muscle' cars is because of the miles they travel (8+hours a day), and that the vehicles are often equipped with extra equipment - modern economy cars aren't built with frames strong enough to take the things the cops want to bolt on. Then they want a vehicle fast enough(even with more stuff bolted on) to keep up with felons attempting to escape, and there are highways in the area. It should also be heavy/sturdy enough to be able to PITT even a big SUV.

By the time you've done the custom paintjob, installed the heavy-duty alternator and other electronic equipment, bolted on the crash bars, installed the security grating to securely hold prisoners, and anything else necessary you're looking at the raw cost of the car only being the biggest single line item - not even the majority of the cost of the car.

Keizer_Ghidorah:I love all the people in here that either ignore or somehow don't see the ALLEGEDLY in front of "stealing cobblestones" and immediately denounce the dead man as some kind of evil, destroying, vicious beast that deserved to be brutally slain.

Stay classy, assholes.

I'm still wondering why anyone would be allegedly stealing cobblestones.

Even given that the cops are the evil brutes Farkers generally want them to be around here, they have to at least present an appearance of reasonableness in their report--so the only thing I can conclude is that "alleged theft of cobblestones" is an ACTUAL crime that someone else has committed at least once. Otherwise, they'd have planted drugs or guns on their alleged suspect and been done with it. I'm left to assume that he was, in fact, doing something that at least resembled stealing cobblestones, as would have been charged in the indictment had he lived.

It's entirely possible to argue, and probably successfully, that the cops overreacted massively by chasing a guy whose pockets were weighed down with rocks; but that's not my question. My question, unanswered so far in this thread, is WHEN did there become such a vast market for scrap rocks? Or was he stealing some kind of antique cobblestones off some reenactment street?

Oh, and I still haven't seen anyone say he was some kind of scumbag who deserved to die for stealing rocks. That was somebody responding to cman pointing out that death during commission of a felony is murder; which then raises the question of whether you can even steal that many cobblestones.

Gyrfalcon:I'm still wondering why anyone would be allegedly stealing cobblestones.

I've seen 3 reasons posted:1. Your own landscaping project2. dropping off a bridge or such, possibly aiming for vehicles. I suppose other acts of vandalism, such as attempting to put it through a store window, would be possible.3. using them as impromptu jack stands for the purpose of stealing wheels/rims.

I've seen 3 reasons posted:1. Your own landscaping project2. dropping off a bridge or such, possibly aiming for vehicles. I suppose other acts of vandalism, such as attempting to put it through a store window, would be possible.3. using them as impromptu jack stands for the purpose of stealing wheels/rims.

But COBBLESTONES? Can't you just use regular rocks or cinderblocks for all that, and not have to take the risks associated with stealing shiat? I mean, any old rock can be dropped off a bridge or through a window, this isn't freaking Revolutionary France that you need to rip up paving stones and hurl them at the gendarmes. How high class of a vandal was this?

Gyrfalcon:But COBBLESTONES? Can't you just use regular rocks or cinderblocks for all that, and not have to take the risks associated with stealing shiat? I mean, any old rock can be dropped off a bridge or through a window, this isn't freaking Revolutionary France that you need to rip up paving stones and hurl them at the gendarmes. How high class of a vandal was this?

*shrug*, I don't steal stuff. I do know that I don't generally see cinderblocks lying around free for the taking, and I'm not sure what shape these cobblestones were. Depending on the area, rocks of appropriate size might be harder to find than prying them up.

As for the vandal's class, I'm guessing 'scrapping the bottom of the barrel'. Nobody's ever accused them of excessive intelligence.

After seeing the picture of the guy, I don't believe for a second that he was stealing or doing anything illegal whatsoever. He's probably an apprentice stone mason and he was likely volunteering his time repairing the neighborhood sidewalk/pavement for the sake of beautifying his community. Clearly this is all one giant conspiracy and the cops have it in for this hard-working citizen's family. I have a reminder for the NYPD: This gentleman's taxes pay your salaries! My heart goes out to his mother who is obviously being victimized by a racist police department gone mad. What I also find surprising is that the police are specifically billing his mother. I mean, it's clear that this man comes from a stable nuclear family and the fact that his father isn't being billed is just another example of rampant sexism in the department. Certainly it's not as if his father is missing or otherwise unavailable.

Thank goodness the preeminent Reverend Al is involved. I'm sure his even-handed sense of justice, for which is he renowned, will be of crucial value to the gentleman's family during this awful time of senseless persecution. My prayers are with you and your family Tamon!

Did you see his photo? Sell his entire estate on eBay or wherever you like, then let's all see how much it's worth. Income from welfare and food stamps do not count. Oh.... You can keep the first $710, too!

Did you see his photo? Sell his entire estate on eBay or wherever you like, then let's all see how much it's worth. Income from welfare and food stamps do not count. Oh.... You can keep the first $710, too!

Nice try, racist wise-ass. I would wager that a full set of "gold teef" and 77 pairs of "jodans" are worth much *much* more than the cost of the damages to the police cruiser.

Robinson was rushed to a nearby hospital where he fell into a coma. While unconscious, cops kept him handcuffed to the hospital bed. Six days later, he was declared brain dead and his family made the decision to take him off the respirator.

/I think he was probably brain dead before being struck, and what kind of a tool steals cobblestones? Did they run out of copper wire for him to rip off? And yes, he was under arrest, so he was handcuffed to the bed. Duh. I love the way they troll this like it's an outrage that they would actually restrain him while under arrest. Idiot trolling reporter is an idiot.