There's a street party outside the Honeypot on Upper Brockley Road, for those who like their royal occasions accompanied by a huge sound system. On Twitter, Luke reports that it's "MEGA" and is looking for people to skank with him. Skank on, sweet princes and princesses of SE4.

My sympathies are with you Snippy. But nothing to do with royalty. A lack of control through police fear is this issue.

Time and times again the Honeypot, or rather the convenience store next to it to be accurate - Met please read your notebook - attracts a large posse at all hours of the day and night drinking alcohol (isn't there a ban there?) and openly smoking substances (by the kids school!) that must have been legalised. The police turn a blind eye, perhaps due to its commander's softly-softly approach. The cars on pavements and the blocking of the public carriageway is astonishing.

Did the organisers of this 'party' have any wardens and toilet facilities?

Unfortunately, and here I read the ganja leaves at the bottom of a can of lager, it will get worse.

The area around the Honeypot is probably one of the most vibrant part of Brockley.

I live round there, and the people are always friendly to me and I like the community feel, lots of kids play in the street there too, something you don't get most places in London.

All this complaining about the odd can of lager being drunk in the street, music being played and the odd reefer, smacks of Daily Mail white middle England fear and is very racially motivated.

The Orchard has music and people smoking and drinking on the pavement outside and no one complains about that. I guess because you don't feel threatened by them, and to coin a phrase used on here they are all very 'mung'. Well the Caribbean community was here well before most of the white middle class influx....

No they're all at home having huge dollops of Colombian - and I'm not talking about the coffee from Broca

Must young people these days have the odd spliff. It's not legalised because it's not worth the Daily Mail explosion that was ensue, but the discretion currently employed is clear to see by all concerned.

@ Marley. My friends who live in that part of upper Brockley Road are the farthest thing you'll find from Daily Mail readers, nor are they racist, but you see the airport runway decibel level sound that made them leave their homes yesterday doesnt discriminate either.

On this crowded island we won't get along without a bit of give and take. That doesn't mean all give on one side and all take on the other. There are bye-laws about loud noise in the early hours of the morning, aren't there? If that was happening regularly round where I live, I wouldn't be happy and I would be talking to the council and the police.

It is one culture imposing itself on its neighbours on a grand scale so I reckon complaints after several hours are justified.

However much you would like to accept the invitation to join in and have a great time that's impossible if the sound levels are such that you can't think, let alone speak. And you can't have a great time if you end up with a splitting headache and the bass is making your teeth rattle.

I think that may of been the Duke of Edinburgh getting hooked up on K and stealing a special branch BMW. The c**t is always doing that, I've told him one more time and he's on the first boat back to Athens.

I would go mad if I lived down there..is it a no go area for the police? How are they getting away with all the dealing and the noise, fighting etc. If this is what 'vibrancy' is you can keep it Marley.

These people are selfish, and a disgrace. These 'events' are common in the summer months and go on until the early hours, with music, screaming, flagrant drug dealing, litter, abuse, urination in the street. Yet some people are on here defending themselves... but it is indefensible.

I don't take well to people treating this light-heartedly either - this is a serious problem.

Funny how in the rest of Brockley the greatest nuisance imaginable is 'dog poo', or 'dog poo stencils' while this corner which begins to resemble the 'Amsterdam' thread on 'The Wire' brings out the liberal in those who don't live there.

Lol this is all a joke! i'm the license holder for the off- license you people speak of!

Most of the people that complain to the shop owner about what other people do on the public highway!

You claim the council do nothing but thats not true they are constantly asking us to police the outside of the shop which we refuse to do!

Another fact is that we run the shop and control the area inside the shop! NOT THE STREETS!! it's easy for people to blame and point fingers as they feel threatened but the fact of the matter is these people are not trouble makers! Also even though some say this is not important, these people have been here before most of the complainers were! mayeb some research before moving would have been advised?!?

I have come from chislehurst and believe it or not this area is much better! people are nicer and the crime rate is lower! shocking to think what some of you may say if you lived in a truly bad area! Hate to bring race into it but it will mainly be the white folks complaining!

No one was blaming you were they? Some people are unhappy with the level of noise and anti-social behaviour that is sometimes generated on that part of the street.

You've just admitted that there are problems, so why bring race in to it, as though it's not legitimate to complain about these problems? Saying that the people causing problems have been doing so for a long time doesn't make it OK and telling people they should have done more homework before moving to the area is pathetic.

If there are problems, let's try to deal with them. I don't blame you, but I don't think you're displaying a helpful attitude here either.

I didn't say it was your fault - I'm taking issue with you calling people racist because they complain about these problems.

As for the gunshot, I'm not talking about the other night, I'm talking about a year or two ago, when problems at that spot resulted in a bullet hole.

You've made your position clear: You don't care about these problems so long as they don't affect you or your shop and you carry on taking money from the people causing the problems and you'll do nothing to help local residents, the Council or the police deal with the problem.

I understand why you wouldn't want to cause problems for yourself, but don't come on here having a go at people for being racist and telling them they'r thick for moving in to the area (as though everyone affected even has a choice about where they live). It's not cool.

"I understand why you wouldn't want to cause problems for yourself, but don't come on here having a go at people for being racist and telling them they'r thick for moving in to the area (as though everyone affected even has a choice about where they live). It's not cool."

Oh dear are you one of these people that makes things up?!? not quite sure where i used the word racist and or telling anyone there thick!! saying do some research before moving to an area is not calling people stupid! and to say most of the complaints are probably from white people is not claiming racism!! it's just stating that most of the complaints have prbobably come from the white people in the area, this does not suggest there racist!! please do not mis quote or imply things that are incorrect!!

And also if you wish for me to start causing myself issues by discrimanating against customers on the grounds they may have offended some residents then maybe you should come run the buisness?!?

But thats what it is a buisness there to make money, once the working day is done i go home, my sole intention in going there is to work and make money, not to save the world or be a freedom fighter!

Also just to add the incident with the gun was nothing to do with the shops! as they were all shut its was something to do with a bus round the corner and then they ran round to the front where whatever happened happened!

This was something that happened in the area not commited by the people of the area as far as im aware.

I don't live anywhere near your shop, I just don't like the way you've talked to people.

And come on, you can't say:

"Hate to bring race into it but it will mainly be the white folks complaining!"

And then say you weren't suggesting people complaining are racist.

And you can't say:

"these people have been here before most of the complainers were! mayeb some research before moving would have been advised?!?"

And then say you weren't implying they were thick and got what they deserved (and you're still ignoring the point that many people affected didn't move there by choice, they took whatever available social housing they were offered).

I could not tell you why anyone travels anywhere or if people buy drugs why or who they buy them from! and as for westsider or whatever your name is! i can say as i like! i know what i meant and you can take my words as you like im really not interested!

People on housing shouldn't complain when they are given somewhere to live other than the street!

I work to pay for my housing and everything else i own!

At the end of the day people take the actions they want to take if they complain and dont feel there getting anywhere then leave! or take some other form of action i welcome it! just leave super cuts out of it!

And as someone that doesn't live round here why would you comment?!?

and also im not talking to anyone other than you it would seem Westsider so you don't like the way i talk to people?!? you seem to have a strange understanding of words and what they actually mean, you must be one of these people that knows what i mean better than i do! well done to you! :)

Scroll up you will see comments about the shop! and as for pooing on doorsteps you can do as you wish!!

Yes i do burn bridges with people that throw accusations! and as for me not living in brockley shows what you know! you make many assumptions that are very wrong! but as a human that is somewhat free you are entitled to your opinion, however wrong it maybe!

You care about something so much you do not have all the facts to back your arguement?!? peoples opinion of me means very little when i go home at night so i shall sleep easily knowing im doing no one harm or wrong! sorry if i cannot change the community to make everyone else trouble go away but hey such is life!

And as ive said you are all entitled to your opinions more assumptions are being made which is fine i am use to this!

I have had this license for many years now and in that time the shop has been attacked as the source of bringing these people into the area! now anyone that wants to check will see they were there before hand!

Also the white people comments were just, as we have had complaints from certain people on the street claiming we are the cause of the trouble people complain about, im sorry to say but these people were white, now if me stating this fact makes me racist or states that these people are racist then my words have been taken out of context!! but regardless the people on the forum would look to bash anything or one that would try and defend this area and what the shops Super cuts and Honey pot do within it as it's not to your liking.

Good luck to you all! im glad i only hold the license and don't have to deal with you people day to day! not the best with my words when frustrated! :)

The shopowner has spoken and finds himself hard done by. Go ply your trade elsewhere and see how welcome you are made to feel there. You have brought nothing but misery to people's lives..you and your shop. And the last refugee of the scoundrel in this case is race. Oh grow up and do something useful, and do it somewhere else!

Let's get something straight, Brockley is a mixed area with council housing, academics, loads of gays in couples and blacks and bail houstels and mental health sufferers and students. I have that all this 'diversity in my small stretch of street alone"

We all belong here. You are living a multicultural zone 2 location. It is not going to be a sedate suburbia.

The vicious nasty comments against a shop that doesn't cater to their is classic of small minded, petty, selfish, do not nothing for anyone else unless benefits brigade, ne'er do wells that have to this area in the last few years.

I hope you're not talking to me when you talk about vicious comments - I have never been in his shop and don't care how he conducts his business. I do care when he starts abusing people as being too thick, too white or too poor to be able to complain about illegal and antisocial behaviour on their doorsteps.

Urinating on people's doorsteps has nothing to do with multiculturalism. Please stop dragging ethnicity in to it.

listen up 'local', I don't want to live in a sedate suburbia either. that does not mean I have to tolerate the shit that goes on down there. Notice how quiet it is on Sunday mornings when that shop is closed!? Enough, they can piss and shout and scrap and get mashed somewhere else and that shop keeper can bugger off with them. He just told you he doesn't give a toss about anyone except himself..don't go feeling sorry for him.

Just noticed this thread. So THAT'S what the noise was. I was out most of Fri but when I got back at about 8, I could feel the bass pounding through our building and I live a fair way away at the other end of Manor Ave! Even round the back of my place in the garden you could hear and feel the pounding. I feel very sorry for those living on UBR....

I live a few doors down from Supercuts, they sell the coldest cans of beer in the whole of Brockley, something to be proud of I think.

I've always found everyone at the shop pleasant, and if you actually engage with the people hanging around outside they are all friendly too.

Whilst the owner of Supercuts hasn't ingratiated himself very well on here I can see his frustration, with lots of other locals blaming his shop for everyone hanging around outside. Are fast food joints responsible for the litter they create, or people eating outside of them?

Also in five years of living there I have never experienced anyone pissing on my doorstep. This issue is either false or hugely exaggerated.

One of my neighbours is hell bent on getting everyone arrested and the shops closed down, as in his words 'imagine how much it's taking off the price of our properties', which sadly seems to be his driving force rather than how much it actually effects him.

Perhaps if people engaged more with others rather than threatening to call the police the whole time then you might see more positive results.

I live a few doors away also and I am not concerned about the price of my property. To suggest that Supercuts has nothing to do with the mob that hangs outside the shop is interesting. Why are they there then? and why does the manager of Supercuts associate with them? Why is he selling alcohol to them if as he admits himself they are causing a nuisance? Why is he allowing dealers to congregate in his doorway? Why does he allow his customers to annoy and intimidate the residents along that stretch of UBR? I'm glad to hear they have not bothered Neighbourhoodwatch but he is in a very small minority indeed. As for gross exagerations, just open your eyes..