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Topic Review (Newest First)

04-12-2007 07:40 PM

CharlieCobra

You could always have NO winches like mine, just cleats. Ya better be quick to set the Genoa after a tack or you'll be cussing all day. I aim to change that as soon as I figure out a place to put 'em.

04-12-2007 05:39 PM

tenuki

for some reason the two cabin winches on my R24 were in front of cleats. I was like, huh? I guess clutches are relatively new eh? I wanna replace the worn plastic cleats with clutches anyway, guess I'll be moving the winches as well.

04-05-2007 09:57 PM

skrap1r0n

Good post. thanks. One of the fist things I am working on is to organize the running rigging. I have to get 2 new winches (amonst other things) and this really explains to me where and why I need to place them.

04-05-2007 07:31 PM

Giulietta

Jaysus...man...are you blind????

We have show you the light.....Elan....oh well

04-05-2007 07:00 PM

sailingguy123

Thanks for the illustration Giuletta. I'm going to go look at Elans tomorrow and we'll see what I think of them.

04-04-2007 08:07 PM

Giulietta

Ok...here is the drwaing I wanted to show you. This is my setup, and can be the GS's too, if you specify it.

04-04-2007 01:44 PM

Giulietta

Sail...

Really it depends...on race boats yes...there is faster boom moves, the winches normally are two speed allowing fine trim, and allow better control by a main man. Its just a more practical solution with less effort, and mainly a speed reason. Also and a big also...it allows the main control from either side of the boat, as the main sheet is a continuous loop. So In fact, while sitting at my wheel on the high side I have both sails controls near me..as I tack, I move to the other side...and BINGO...same sail controls there!!!! clever, huh??

The purchase system is normally used on smaller boats, altough some large racing boats also have it with a larger purchase for course trim, and a smaller purchase in series for fine trim. I don't like it...takes a lot of speed from it.

In a boat like the GS...it really is not that important...you are not racing..just sailing fast...
its pretty good too...you will not sit right behind the whell, like on a Formosa...you'll be sitting on the side...enjoying balcony view, sheet at your feet!!!

I would love to make you a drwaing, but have work to do, and my IP does not allow photobucket access..I'll try tonight at the Hotel

04-04-2007 12:23 PM

sailingguy123

Does having the extra set of winches for the main make it easier to control than having a purchase? Are the winches necessary for larger sails that require more power to handle than can be done with a purchase? I am a bit confused. Thanks for your patience Giuletta.

04-04-2007 10:56 AM

Giulietta

sailingguy

I see your confusion

Lets see the different winch arrangments

1) ELAN has 4 winches, 2 winches on top of cabin, 2 in cockpit. The cabin ones is one for halyards, one for main ,and the 2 in the cockpit for the genoa.

2) GS older models have 4 winches, 2 in cabin for halyards, outhauls etc, 2 in the cockpit for the genoa, main is controlled by purchase near the end of the boom
3) The newer GS have 6 winches, 2 in cabin for halyards, outhauls etc, 2 in the cockpit for the genoa (forward) and 2 in cockpit rear for main control in the Admirals system. I have that system in my boat.

HERE IS THE DRAWING I COULD NOT POST THAT SHOW HOw to single hand with 6 winch system like I have