Up for a new cracking race at Monza? Good, because for the 9Th round of the Historic trophy we go there. I welcome you all to this event.

There will be chassis restrictions for this one based on the championship standings. Se below.

Please restrict chat to a minimum, (or maybe none).

Moderating will be by reported incidents only, however the moderator will review any incident on lap one. Please submit incident reports within a week after the race so that the moderators report may be out before the next race.

I will never understand why people drive so foolishly on the opening lap and especially at Monza. Enough space for 3 cars to run side by side, as was proven in the Spec race, yet some just drive like they're alone on the track. That was a really bad move, Dave, it ruined the race for many of us.

Thought I was clear to tuck in behind Syd, but did not see Al coming through in the blind spot. When I eventually saw him I adjusted but even though from my view we didn't touch, of course we know GPL is not so forgiving. I should have just kept it straight, but instead ended up spoiling several of your races on the very first lap, shameful!

Hope those who managed to avoid the carnage had a good race, I will now go and find a suitable hole..

I just don't get it, Dave. Fine, you're sorry, but what about next time? What exactly is the benefit of tucking behind the car in front, are you going to win just because of getting a bit of slipstream on lap 1? Especially in these cars, with the MASSIVE long slipstream they provide, you can easily drop behind 2 seconds and still catch up with ease.

And I'm not saying it as a personal attack, but to bring up the point, because it happened again and again in the other Monza races. Think about if the risk of potentially running into someone is worth it at all. I'm more than happy to drop a couple of places on the start if it's going to keep me in the race, yet some of you drive like the race is decided at the end of lap 1 or as if you don't believe you'll get another chance to attack.

It's exactly the reason why I nearly won in the BT7 in Amateurs - people driving in this do or die manner from lap 1, instead of keeping their lines and working with each other to pull away. On such a track, you will never going to win by leading in all laps but the final one.

I would lie if I say I'm over the disappointment. What if this was a Championship deciding race? Sure, it doesn't matter in this case, but seeing this thing happen so often, I can't but try to create some awareness. How many times we say "careful lap 1" or "careful at the start" in GPL chat, before every single race. Countless number of times.

And I don't believe any lost places penalties are going to change a thing if the drivers are unwilling to change their approach. And I don't think it's an issue to be ignored either. You may think I'm being too serious about it, but considering we spend REAL time and REAL effort to attend these races and run in these championships, it's worth being serious about it. Again, nothing personal, Dave. It's not like you're doing it all the time, but it was probably the worst start incident we've had so far in quite a while, so it gives me the incentive to speak about the issue.

I just don't get it, Dave. Fine, you're sorry, but what about next time? What exactly is the benefit of tucking behind the car in front, are you going to win just because of getting a bit of slipstream on lap 1?

I didn't do it for the slipstream H, ironically I did it because I thought turn 1 would be safer in single file and for a better line, but it was a very bad judgment all the same, I simply didn't see him when I looked left but should have known better than to move over at all on the first lap before T1 especially. Time to invest in triple monitors perhaps!?

Anyway I agree with your comments and feel sh*t about it, hate to spoil anyones race as I know how much we all look forward to them.

Did a fair amount of practise for this and got the fezzer up to a reasonable pace so was looking forward to a decent race for a change .

Muffed the start then got as far as Curva grande , cars flying everywhere , saw a gap which looked as if I could sqeeze through but suddenly all I saw was a close up of red paint , Phil or Gus ? Sorry whoever

Anyway race over , didnt realise how many others were involved , thought it was just me out and 1 or 2 others , feel better now the dust has settled .

BTW I think thats the first time ever I qualified in front of Hristo even though he was driving a dog

Feel sorry for Dave , at least he owned up and didnt blame everything else in sight . Hristo does has a point though regards Lap 1 incidents , we should all be professional enough to avoid this sort of thing by now , escpecially at Monza as its notorious , but it still crops up time and time again

Feel sorry for Dave , at least he owned up and didnt blame everything else in sight .

Yes, I agree with you Bernie. Apologies accepted so we should move on.

I know we have tried lots of ways to prevent this sort of thing happening. Pro rules should ensure greater care is taken but that isn't always the case and it doesn't stop warp related problems. So the only solutions I can think of (apart from asking people to take more care) are:

1. Allow a shift-R (maybe limited to 1 per race).2. Use even looser grids possibly single file (good idea for the GTs anyway).3. No overtaking on lap 1.

How about neither of that and just more responsibility from drivers, more severe penalties (so they actually learn and keep it in mind next race) and sticking to your lines after the start, even if it means losing positions, and keeping a good distance from the car in front so you can react on time. I don't like sanitizing the racing just to replace responsibility on behalf of the drivers...

And the issue with allowing shift-r is it means running Int damage, making a big difference in how easy you can blow up and engine or how much damage you would suffer in a collision (with a wall or another car).

As for single file grids and no overtaking rule , well fine as long as you all agree to line up behind me

How about noovertake until after T1 or T2 ? (Nah ! would just postpone the akko till T3 )

Mayhaps we might have some kind of restart rules for shunts or discos enmass , tough to implement unless maybe we appointed a none racing observer or Clerk of Course to call the shots and red flag the race