The survivors of the Nazi holocaust are no longer around. That look in their eyes, the coping mechanism used to deal with such evil, the signs that were broadcast which weren't taken for the reality of what was to come, the guilt of not doing something when something *could* have been done, the lack of words available to describe the horror...

It's human nature. It's cyclic.

Trust your government. Go back to sleep. One of these days as you gaze in horror as the piles of bodies are thrown in big holes in the ground...

One of those bodies will be mine.

One person who actually understands what I have been trying to express about Obama.

I will NOT be one of those thrown into the gas chambers.
You think me alarmist.......but once the furnaces start up, it's too late for wondering what HE was up to.
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I am still the kittyman.
Accept no imitations.

Not true, My ex next door neighbour, with ID tatooed on wrist, is still alive at 84, now lives with her daughter about 30 mile away. Have received Xmas card again this year.

And my Uncle is still alive, he was one of the Canadian troops who entered Bergen-Belsen in April 1945. His units veterans association is still in touch with some of those survivors who ended up in Canada.

Colonial legislatures therefore strictly regulated the storage of firearms, with weapons kept in some central place, to be produced only in emergencies or on muster day, or loaned to individuals living in outlying areas.

None of the Colonial laws in any way limited the possession of firearms by the white non-Catholic population. Yes you read that right Catholics, slaves, blacks and native tribes could not own guns.

Colonial legislatures therefore strictly regulated the storage of firearms, with weapons kept in some central place, to be produced only in emergencies or on muster day, or loaned to individuals living in outlying areas.

None of the Colonial laws in any way limited the possession of firearms by the white non-Catholic population. Yes you read that right Catholics, slaves, blacks and native tribes could not own guns.

This is not a document of the constitution, my friend, just an opinion by somebody who thinks they have something to say.

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I am still the kittyman.
Accept no imitations.

Colonial legislatures therefore strictly regulated the storage of firearms, with weapons kept in some central place, to be produced only in emergencies or on muster day, or loaned to individuals living in outlying areas.

None of the Colonial laws in any way limited the possession of firearms by the white non-Catholic population. Yes you read that right Catholics, slaves, blacks and native tribes could not own guns.

This is not a document of the constitution, my friend, just an opinion by somebody who thinks they have something to say.

Of course it is not a document of the constitution. It is a document explaining the gun laws before independence.

Colonial legislatures therefore strictly regulated the storage of firearms, with weapons kept in some central place, to be produced only in emergencies or on muster day, or loaned to individuals living in outlying areas.

None of the Colonial laws in any way limited the possession of firearms by the white non-Catholic population. Yes you read that right Catholics, slaves, blacks and native tribes could not own guns.

You have quoted the wrong paper. Clayton Cramer is the author who totaly discredited Michael Bellesiles faulty and mostly made up claims in his book Arming of America. He was stripped of his Bancroft prize and resigned from Emory Unniversity because is work was so flawed.

Did you read what you linked to? I did. It most cleary states that the Goverment did not own the individuals fire arms. The author states yes the Gov, had stores of guns and powder in central locations. But they were used for arming those to poor to afford a weapon of there own. Also you were fined if you showed up at a militia drill with out your weaspon. How would that be possible if the state kept them all in storage.

A claim that Bellesiles made in his book that probate records of the time barley showed guns being passed down to heirs.The sources he cites were either non existent or wrong by 60%. Im not the first to say this, But most things a person owns dont get listed in a will to be passed on. They are given to the person outright. Mothers give jewelry to the daughters and fathers give firearms to sons. Thats how it works for my family and im sure most familes.

Chris, it's not a quandary, at least in this country, it's becoming a bit of a battle between Obama's government and the almost half this country that voted against him.

I don't know ho6w it's gonna all
turn out, but either way, it shall not lead to peace in my time.

A recent thread was simply shredded by folks wanting to force their own agendas on others.\\

I posted my thoughts. I did not spear anybody.

I TOLD you......I am a Patriot.

The voter turn out was approx 57.5% of eligible voters.
I'll round that number off to 60%, which means that less than 30% voted as you claim. Less than a third of the population, not half.
You do not have the support you think you do for your crazy express to the revolution.

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

Chris, it's not a quandary, at least in this country, it's becoming a bit of a battle between Obama's government and the almost half this country that voted against him.

I don't know ho6w it's gonna all
turn out, but either way, it shall not lead to peace in my time.

A recent thread was simply shredded by folks wanting to force their own agendas on others.\\

I posted my thoughts. I did not spear anybody.

I TOLD you......I am a Patriot.

The voter turn out was approx 57.5% of eligible voters.
I'll round that number off to 60%, which means that less than 30% voted as you claim. Less than a third of the population, not half.
You do not have the support you think you do for your crazy express to the revolution.

lets round off that 57% to 60% of eleigble voters that voted. Thts means 40% of the voters did not vote. So of those 60% who did vote the vote was 52.1% for Obama and 46.5% for Romney

So how do you figure only 30% voted the way you say? I see it as 46%. Dont count the loosers who didnt bother to vote.
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Until such time as a country has mandatory voting at its elections a government in a "close call" election will be chosen by a minority of the electorate. Its simple arithmetic. This doesn't only apply to the USA, but the UK, France, Germany.....

If you didn't vote then you have no right to object about the government that those that did vote elected. If you did vote, and "the other lot" got in, then you have a right to moan - about the lazy section of the electorate who didn't vote.

In many of the "more mature" countries we are seeing a decrease in the level of voting at national level elections. There appears to be a general willingness to disengage with the process, then to complain about the result...
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Bob Smith
Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society)
Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?