On 10/08/2012 widewetandslippery wrote:>my 2 cents.>>Putting more bolts in an established route isn't needed. Especially on>a 20-30m slab in the blueys. Its not like the area is short of 20-30m slabs.>>Fixing up dumb bolting, especially from the era of the hand drill where>dumb bolts got left in dumb spots because it was all to hard to move them>can be justified.>>Return of the toecutter gang in my opinion was a failed sport route. Replacing>bolt for bolt and ring lower offs no biggy.>>Rage This Season, the name gives it away. It was put up purposely in a>specific way at a certain time. It wasn't a sport route and it wasn't meant>to convieniant by the first ascentionist.>>I do grid bolt at crags I go and find. There are plenty out there. Good>ones can be hard to find but as we are talking about Mt York that point>is null.>>I don't quite get the anti ring debate as I feel that if you are going>to be leaving fixed protection it should be the best fixed protection but>if an established route is rebolted (not retrobolted) as long it is in>a better state than it was previously fair play.

Nice wrap-up WWS. That is probably the clearest post you have ever written. I agree with you regarding the anti-ring debate.

So it appears the rings are still there . .
I met up with the Ringer at the route yesterday - my 6 Hex disarmed his ring attacked and things escalated quickly to thrust and parry of PPD (Powertools of Potential Destruction), only to end with my last cutting blade disintegrating as I cut through his final SDS bit. I reckon the ledge lost a good six inches to erosion in the scuffle.
Once the dust settled and we finished shaking hands, we chatted about the route, the history, the weather etc. So what are we going to do about the route? I don't know? Well I just do what I do, and you do what you do and I respect that - we just happen to disagree. So I guess you just do what you do and then I decide what I do, and at least it is because we truly believe what we do, so that's cool, it's all history . . .
So how about a compromise, and we just chop the first one? Hmm then it just becomes a stick-clip problem and not even a very hard one, so I'd have to chop the other as well - well that just get's us back to square 1, just via the scenic route . . .
Oh well are you going to be there for the onsight fest? Yeah gonna try to make - maybe even have a surprise up my sleeve . . . Me too . . . Cool, see you there . . .
You read all that crap that people have been gushing on the net lately? . . . See ya . . .

On 9/08/2012 Macciza wrote:>As a much-needed response to the general degradation occurring in Rock-climbing>due to spurt-bolters . . .>>'The Return of the Bolt-Cutter Gang' will be showing at various cliffs>this season to restore things . . .>>ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! LESS IS MORE! MAINTAIN THE RAGE!

On another thread today shortman (who obviously noticed), pointed out that I missed noticing the more important fact that this is Macciza's milestone 1,000 th post to Chockstone!

Given the context, and flurry of replies he was involved in at the time, it is a worthy one for that milestone too!
~> It is always good to celebrate.
~> ~> Foreezajollygoodposteranallthatstuff!
Well put Macca! Sorry I missed it first time around.
;-)

>On another thread today shortman (who obviously noticed), pointed out>that I missed noticing the more important fact that this is Macciza's milestone>1,000 th post to Chockstone!

I've just got one of those uncanny memories when it comes to written things. When I was planning my piss take with my own 1000th post, I reckon I could remember all the ones coming up behind me. Egosan, Superstu, Macciza, miklaw....well maybe not all of them.

Anyway....I am finding myself sad, lonely and pathetic to name a few adjectives as I write this....

I think we need to find a girlfriend for Shorty. Surely there's a bunch of nice single girls hanging around in melbourne gyms...... waiting to meet a tall, dashing man who can take them out and introduce them to the magical world of obscure lichen covered choss boulders near the city?

On 31/08/2012 One Day Hero wrote:>I think we need to find a girlfriend for Shorty. Surely there's a bunch>of nice single girls hanging around in melbourne gyms...... waiting to>meet a tall, dashing man who can take them out and introduce them to the>magical world of obscure lichen covered choss boulders near the city?

On 31/08/2012 shortman wrote:>On 31/08/2012 One Day Hero wrote:>>I think we need to find a girlfriend for Shorty. Surely there's a bunch>>of nice single girls hanging around in melbourne gyms...... waiting to>>meet a tall, dashing man who can take them out and introduce them to>the>>magical world of obscure lichen covered choss boulders near the city?>>You forgot to mention my good looks, and superhuman dexterity.