Neither. I don't choose to disbelieve nor am I forced to disbelieve. I simply disbelieve naturally, just like I naturally believe myself and the world around me is real.

I thought you were a christian once?

Yes, I was and at the time, I had to be convinced through reasoned arguments that there was no God. Now that I am in a certain state of mind, I naturally disbelieve in God. The belief in God is something imposed on you that you have to put effort into believing in. It doesn't require much effort to disbelieve something.

At 9/18/2010 2:22:57 AM, gerrandesquire wrote:believe there is NO God. No sementics, a simple answer.

and then,Do you chose to disbelieve in him, or you are forced to disbelieve in him, because of lack of proof?

I don't believe in God, I don't believe because there is no proof, no reasonable grounds on which to base a belief in God upon. The characteristics of God seem unlikely. Most theistic religions are fatally flawed with inconsistencies and absurdities. Am I really to believe in a Man who is also a tripartite God telling me that pork is both forbidden and permitted, am I really to believe that God chose a failed Merchant with which to conquer the world.

I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.

At 9/18/2010 2:22:57 AM, gerrandesquire wrote:believe there is NO God. No sementics, a simple answer.

Not only does the simple idea of a God disturb me, but also adding that there is no proof and many theories that have shown evidence of alternative answers, I don't see a reason why I should believe in one.

and then,Do you chose to disbelieve in him, or you are forced to disbelieve in him, because of lack of proof?

You can't really "force" atheism. I'm an atheist based off of my non-belief, yes. But it was completely my choice. Which makes it even better in my opinion.

At 9/18/2010 2:22:57 AM, gerrandesquire wrote:believe there is NO God. No sementics, a simple answer.

+1

and then,Do you chose to disbelieve in him, or you are forced to disbelieve in him, because of lack of proof?

Neither. I don't choose to disbelieve nor am I forced to disbelieve. I simply disbelieve naturally, just like I naturally believe myself and the world around me is real.

if your blaming your belief on 'nature' then you quallify as 'forced' to deisbelieve as your disbelief is out of your hands. if its not your choice but 'natures' doing that a form of saying your forced to this belief.

One act of Rebellion created all the darkness and evil in the world; One life of Total Obedience created a path back to eternity and God.

At this point I'm not entirely sure God exists or not. I want to believe that he does and I lean towards theism. However, there's very little evidence to support either side of the debate so I don't really want to make any claims in either direction.

I'm an agnostic atheist: I disbelieve in god, but I believe there is no way to be absolutely certain.

In cases when we're talking about the Abarahamic god, I'm a gnostic atheist: I disbelieve in that god, but I'm certain we can be sure the god they describe doesn't exist (or at least note that they don't really know wtf that god is thinking -- divine revelation is for the lulz).

At 9/18/2010 1:18:28 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:At this point I'm not entirely sure God exists or not. I want to believe that he does and I lean towards theism. However, there's very little evidence to support either side of the debate so I don't really want to make any claims in either direction.

At 9/18/2010 1:38:07 PM, theLwerd wrote:I'm an agnostic atheist: I disbelieve in god, but I believe there is no way to be absolutely certain.

if you're not absolutely certain about his existence/ or non existence, how can you disbelieve in him? Or are you sure you wouldn't believe in him even is He was present.

We can't be abolutely certain that you exist, I can't be absolute certain that australia exists, I can't be absolute certain that the flying spagehetti monster exists. But based on avaliable evidence you do exist, australia exists, and the FSM does not.

I am voting for Innomen because of his intelligence, common sense, humility and the fact that Juggle appears to listen to him. Any other Presidential style would have a large sub-section of the site up in arms. If I was President I would destroy the site though elitism, others would let it run riot. Innomen represents a middle way that works, neither draconian nor anarchic and that is the only way things can work. Plus he does it all without ego trips.

At 9/18/2010 1:38:07 PM, theLwerd wrote:I'm an agnostic atheist: I disbelieve in god, but I believe there is no way to be absolutely certain.

if you're not absolutely certain about his existence/ or non existence, how can you disbelieve in him? Or are you sure you wouldn't believe in him even is He was present.

We can't be abolutely certain that you exist, I can't be absolute certain that australia exists, I can't be absolute certain that the flying spagehetti monster exists. But based on avaliable evidence you do exist, australia exists, and the FSM does not.

Ouch, harsh words for the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster. :P

Anyways, gerrandesquire.... Even if Atheism was a choice like you believe, what are you trying to prove?

At 9/18/2010 1:18:28 PM, InsertNameHere wrote:At this point I'm not entirely sure God exists or not. I want to believe that he does and I lean towards theism. However, there's very little evidence to support either side of the debate so I don't really want to make any claims in either direction.

That sounds a bit like me, yes. I seem to be caught almost in the middle, but more towards theism although there's really no way of knowing for sure. I need God though so I strive to have stronger belief.

At 9/18/2010 2:22:57 AM, gerrandesquire wrote:believe there is NO God. No sementics, a simple answer.

-Looks at username-

and then,Do you chose to disbelieve in him, or you are forced to disbelieve in him, because of lack of proof?

I disbelieve because of multiple reasons.Theists have the B.o.P.There are no good arguments for god.I am not inclined to believe in him in the first place.

Do you pray? like really, suppose you are in a very tight situation, and you have no way of getting out. Do you subconsciously murmur -oh god, what am i supposed to do? help me and i'll donate ABC?"

No. I mean, because I was raised to be religious, I might say, 'Oh my god,' like when something's retarded, or funny, but I never pray. Ever. Aside from that, I know praying does NOT work, so why even bother? Why would god answer my prayers and not those of starving children in Africa?