I am far from a scrooge. This is my favorite time of the year. Probably the time that I am nicest to those around me. May even break down and ask LA if he wants to set all differences aside and be willing to bring some of his girls from the Yellow Rose over to my house to celebrate around the Festivus Pole.

I am far from a scrooge. This is my favorite time of the year. Probably the time that I am nicest to those around me. May even break down and ask LA if he wants to set all differences aside and be willing to bring some of his girls from the Yellow Rose over to my house to celebrate around the Festivus Pole.

Beware the feats of strength...those girls are flexible and used to working the pole...

One of the reports says that it happened in Durango, so I will guess it was Tommy D.

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I doubt that it would be Henk Vogels, it would do to much damage to the family name. Him, his Dad and his brother are all heavily involved in coaching.

Since when has that ever mattered? Chris Carmichael and the guy who started the thread who probably still has a job at the college coaching young adults. Comical has apparently a very successful business based on doping children. Pat McQaid happily rode in Apartheid-era South Africa.

Cycling is that awful. Hopefully the Vogels play it straight despite all the cheating and corruption.

Since when has that ever mattered? Chris Carmichael and the guy who started the thread who probably still has a job at the college coaching young adults. Comical has apparently a very successful business based on doping children. Pat McQaid happily rode in Apartheid-era South Africa.

Cycling is that awful. Hopefully the Vogels play it straight despite all the cheating and corruption.

I only said that because the Vogels are legit coaches, not just a beard for a doctor such as Ferrari.

If Vogels was to confess it could throw suspicion to Henk Snr and Leon as well. With the way Cycling Australia are going atm everyone is being thrown under the bus (unless you're Neil Stephens )