As attendees arrived a video of the 2002 White River 50-Mile National
Championship, in Crystal Mountain, WA was played. Attendees registered for
raffle prizes from Teva to be awarded throughout the meeting. Chair Nancy Hobbs
called the meeting to order at 4:45 p.m.

Attendance - The following people attended the Mountain/Ultra/Trail (MUT)
Running Council meeting.

Attendance Roster for MUT Meeting at USATF 2002 Annual Meeting

Name

Affiliation

Discipline

1

Lorraine Gersitz

MUT Council Member
Southern California

Ultra, Womens LDR

2

Michael Ortiz

Colorado Association

Mountain

3

Theresa Daus-Weber

MUT Council Member
Colorado

Ultra, Masters LDR

4

Roy Pirrung

MUT Council Member
Wisconsin

Ultra, Masters LDR

5

Kevin Setnes

MUT Council Member
American Ultrarunners Association

Ultra, Mens LDR

6

Dan Brannen

New Jersey
American Ultrarunners Association

Ultra

7

Chad Ricklefs

Colorado

Ultra

8

Ann Heaslett
Heaslan@dhfs.state.wi.us

Wisconsin

Ultra

9

Tim Yanacheck

Wisconsin

Ultra

10

Tom Winkelman
TAWINK74@aol.com

Ozark

11

Ruth Anderson

Pacific

Masters LDR

12

Hollis Lenderking

Pacific

Masters LDR

13

Mark Driscoll

Syracuse Chargers

14

Chrissy Ferguson

Ultrarunners Supporting Ultrarunners

Ultra

15

Stan Ferguson

Ultrarunners Supporting Ultrarunners

Ultra

16

Bruce Guter

At Large

Ultra

17

Brad Percosky

Alaska

Mountain

18

Mike Polansky
Spolansky@aol.com

Long Island

19

Janice Anderson

MUT Council Member
Georgia

Ultra, Womens LDR

20

Ian Seecof
ianms@iquest.net

Indiana

LDR

21

Ken Robichaud
Kenrob44@aol.com

New England

Masters LDR

22

Charles Des Jardins
crdj@interqwest.com

Pacific

23

Dave Dunham

MUT Council Member
New England

Mountain

24

Jim Garcia

New England

Ultra

25

Mark Lidma

Mill Valley

26

Carol McLatchie

Oregon

Womens LDR

27

Jerry Crockett

Oklahoma

LDR

28

Ed Parrot

Laws & Legislation and Rules Advisor
Pacific

MUT Runners Named USATF Runners of the Year in 2002 - Lorraine Gersitz
reported that three ultrarunners had been named USATF Athlete of the Week:

Jim Garcia for his HUFF 50 K win in December 2001

Nate McDowell for his White River 50 Mile win in August

Connie Gardner for her win at Edmund Fitzgerald 100K in October

Teva Raffle During the Meeting - Nancy explained the raffle is for
gift certificates for Teva TSCGI shoes. Hollis Lenderking won the first
certificate.

Nancy Hobbs introduced herself as the Chair of MUT and requested that
everyone in attendance identify himself or herself.

2001 MUT Meeting Minutes Approval - Nancy Hobbs asked for a motion to
approve minutes from the MUT meeting at the 2001 USATF Annual Meeting. Roy
Pirrung motioned to accept the minutes. Lorraine Gersitz seconded. The vote to
accept the minutes was unanimous.

$2,000 was budgeted for ultra and $200 remains with some final expenses to be
submitted.

$2,000 was budgeted for mountain with $1,300 remaining to be distributed to
the 12 Mountain Team members at an average of $50 to $80/member.

2003 Budget Request - Lorraine Gersitz distributed the 2003 budget
request to Masters and Open LDR for $13,000 that included the request for USATF
championship medals, banners, liaison stipends, and gifts to race directors. She
explained that MUT asks race directors to reimburse MUT for masters medals.
Lorraine reported that MUT received $4,500 in our 2003 budget the same amount as
last year. Nancy explained that $500 is expected to be earmarked for shipping
team uniforms. Nancy also stated that the Teva sponsorship funds are entirely
for the Mountain Team.

MUT Website - Nancy described the MUT website developed by Lorraine in
2002. The website has masters profiles written by Theresa Daus-Weber,
championship races, MUT documents, press releases, award winners, etc. Lorraine
explained that the MUT website is on the server at the community college that
she works for. Keith Lively, the USATF web master from in Indianapolis is using
MUT as a beta test for sport committee pages on the USATF website. As a result,
MUT is the only Council or Committee with a presence on the USATF website. Keith
has also added a link to the MUT web page on the USATF website.

Mike Polansky asked if ultraraces can be listed on the website under races
and Lorraine responded that they could. Lorraine stated that Keith Lively is
developing an interface that will allow race directors to input their own race
information on the USATF website.

Mike Ortize suggested that MUT sell advertising on its website. Nancy said
that was a good idea but that we would have to check with USATF to determine if
such advertising revenues would have to go to the USATF general fund and not
directly to MUT.

Dave Dunham asked if the New England Associations website can be linked to
MUTs website and Brad Percosky asked if the World Trophy website could be
linked to MUTs website.

Second Teva Raffle During the Meeting - Stan Ferguson won the second
certificate for Teva TSCGI shoes.

Teva Mountain Running Team Report - Dave Dunham reported on the
Mountain Trophy race by distributing the Mountain Team Trophy Race press release
(attached and part of the minutes) directing readers to the photo of the slight
mountain team member modeling the extra large uniform issued to him.

Mountain Bids - Dave distributed the mountain race bid (incorporated
as part of the minutes) and Nancy reported that six bids for mountain team
selection races were received and that 2002 was the first year that bids were
solicited for sub-ultra trail championships.

Nancy explained that 2002 was an "uphill" year in mountain racing
and that 2003 is an up and down hill year. Regarding the two mountain race bids
on the same day (Northfiield and Vail), Nancy, Dave, Mike, and Brad concurred
that is good to have races in different parts of the country to allow runners
opportunity to race a selection race without traveling across the country.
Regarding the Alaska selection race bid, Dave mentioned that for American
runners, traveling to Alaska for both the selection race and the World Trophy
race is the same cost as traveling to Europe for the World Trophy race. The
Alaska selection race is 6 weeks from the World Trophy. The selection race will
promote the trophy race.

Nancy described the selection criteria for the junior teams competing in the
World Trophy. Juniors must be under 20 years old in the year of competition.
Four junior men are on the team and three score and three junior women are on
the team and two score.

USATF President Visits MUT Meeting - Nancy introduced guest Bill Roe,
USATF President who visited the meeting briefly. Bill Roe will be attending the
World Trophy in Alaska. There is no prize money in the World Trophy race. The
World Trophy race is an open race.

Nancy stated that the USATF Mountain Runner of the Year will be announced at
the USATF awards breakfast on Saturday at the Annual Meeting.

Championship Bids - Janice Anderson, MUT Championship Chair
distributed a summary (incorporated as part of the minutes) of and presented the
following sub-ultra trail bids.

Sub-ultra Trail Bids Summary

Race

Date

Location

Contact

Email/Website

Mt. Wilson 13.8K/8.6M

May 24

Sierra Madre, CA

Pete Siberell
Sierra Madre, CA
626 355-5278

info@sierramadrenews.net
www.mtwilsontrailrace.com

Jim Bridger 16.25K/10.1M

Jun 14

Bozeman, MT

Rick Cooper
Bozeman, MT
406 587-1115

JBTR2003@aol.com

Barr Trail 19.3K/12M

Jul 13

Manitou Springs, CO

Matt Carpenter
Manitou Springs, CO
719 685-5654

Fallseries@aol.com
www.runpikespeak.com

Merrimack 10 Mi

Mar 29

Andover, MA

Dave Dunham
Bradford, MA
978-373-9118

dave.dunham@verizon.net
www.usatfne.com

Dupont 10K

Oct 19

Hendersonville, NC

Greg Walker
Hendersonville, NC
828 692-5774

Dan Brannen asked if these bids require USATF membership to get prize money.
The current bid form does not specify this, but it is expected. It should be
included on the new forms.

Jim Garcia asked if complimentary entry fees would be provided to elite
runners. Lorraine responded that complimentary entry is generally given to all
former USATF champions in that particular event as well as a certain number of
other top runners.

Third Teva Raffle During the Meeting - Bruce Guter won the third
certificate for Teva TSCGI shoes.

Break - Nancy called for a short break.

World Mountain Running Association Report - Dave said that there was
nothing to report from the WMRA.

Teva Sponsorship Report - Nancy is pleased with Tevas multi-year
sponsorship of the US Mountain Running Team. Nancy will ask Brian Metzler, a
correspondent editor to Trail Running magazine and MUT Council Member to publish
information about the growth of trail running.

100K Team Report - Kevin Setnes reported that he established timelines
for team member accountability to address the ups and downs of performance
success of the 100K team. He defined success as medals earned by individual team
members and the team at World Challenge 100K races. Kevin explained that he
assumed the role of 100K Team Coordinator at the 2000 USATF Annual Meeting and
that he was going to spend more time on development work with past 100K team
members to collect information about pacing, hydration, nutrition, etc to
compile an intensive training plan.

Kevin stated that long distance running is in the pits in the eyes of USATF
but the 100K team can use the training plan that he wants to develop to
eliminate pitfalls of showing up at World Challenge 100K injury free. He said
that he wants to throw the best management at the 100K team. He reported that
there has been arguments and accusations about his management style that he
identified as a very hands on style but he is open to input from the MUT
Council. He reported that the 2003 100K Team selection criteria was published on
September 23, for a performance window until June 30, 2003 to allow ultrarunners
interested in being on the team to run a fast 100K.

Kevin asked for a motion to accept the top three women from the 2002 Edmund
Fitzgerald 100K to be named to the 2003 100K Team even though the published
selection criteria re:

Connie Gardner, 8:30

Laura Nelson, 8:42

Ann Heaslett, 8:53

Roy Pirrung made this motion and Dave Dunham second it so it could be
discussed.

Hollis Lenderking asked if this sets a precedent to disregard published
criteria for team selection.

Janice Anderson said that she had received an email querying why the top
three women at the USATF National Championship Edmund Fitzgerald 100K had been
named to the team when two didnt meet the published criteria of finishing the
race under 8:35. She said that we are going to have unhappy runners if we dont
abide by our published criteria. Dave asked why the criteria were published.
Carole McLatchie said dont change your criteria after it is published as that
causes too many problems. Lorraine stated that for the 2002 Edmund Fitzgerald
100K, Kevin lowered the mens criteria as well and when Lorraine asked Kevin
about the suggested lowered womens criteria, Lorraine reported that Kevin
said "I agree completely." Kevin said that the criteria naming only
one woman who ran under 8:35 instead of the top three women finishers team
selection precedent at 100K championships. Kevin said that naming the top three
finishers to the 100K team instills confidence in the athletes Lorraine pointed
out that we did not know when the 2003 World Cup 100K in Taipei was scheduled
when we made Ed Fitz the selection race. Had we known how far in advance of the
World Cup it was, we might have just granted it the championship.

Nancy asked Ann Heaslett how these criteria affected her race. Ann said that
she considered not going to Edmund Fitzgerald 100K because she was scared of the
8:35 criteria and that she was still shaky from the 24-Hour National
Championships in Olander.

Roy called for a vote on Kevins motion. Dave seconded it. Six opposed the
motion and it was denied.

Kevin reported that he named Lin Gentling as the chair of the Womens 100K
Team Selection Committee displacing Lorraine from the position. Lorraine said
that Kevins action is moot as MUT is revising its operating procedures and
functions, including formalizing the selection criteria for the 100K teams,
Lorraine referred to a selection criteria draft (incorporated into the minutes)
that she distributed at MUTs Thursday night meeting. Jim Garcia mentioned
that the Womens 100K Team Selection Committee uses objective race times to
select women for the team while the men use a subjective approach. Kevin said
that the mens selection process would not go for an objective selection
approach based on race times. He said that, "We need to be
subjective."

Kevin referred to the Deb Bollig situation as an example of why the womens
selection process doesnt work. Dave responded by stating that the selection
process is not incorrect but that the focus is wrong now. He said that the onus
should be on the athlete to indicate if she is interested in being on the team.

Bruce Guter asked if Kevin was conferred with the authority to name Lin and
other individuals to the Womens 100K Team Selection Committee and displace
the existing committee. Lorraine and Janice stated that Kevin verbally agreed at
the 2000 USATF Annual Meeting when he presented his proposal to be the Team
Coordinator that he would change the text to reflect that the Womens 100K
Team Selection Committee would continue to select the womens 100K team and
team leader but this text change was never made by Kevin. Lorraine said that we
have all the respect in the world for Kevins coaching ability but that the
Womens 100K Team Selection Committee believes it is consistent with precedent
for the women of the MUT Council to continue to select the womens team and
womens team leader.

Kevin offered another example about why the Womens 100K Team Selection
Committee doesnt produce good results for the team. Kevin said that the 2001
World Cup race was a bust. He said the team was hung up due to two issues
related to Deb Bollig.

Nancy asked that the report on the 100K Team not get off track. She said that
as we review MUTs structure, it is important to review the people in the
positions. Nancy asked Kevin to distribute his position document for review by
MUT. Kevins "National 100K Team Program 2002 Report and 2003 Plan"
is incorporated into the minutes.

2002 USATF Ultra Champions - Janice Anderson, MUT Championships
Coordinator distributed the list of mens, womens and masters men and women
champions of the 2002 ultra races that is incorporated into the minutes.

Mountain Team Selection Race Vote - Nancy provided the following
summary of the Mountain Team selection races.

Date

Event

Distance

Elevation Gain

Average Grade

5/24/03

Mt. Wilson Trail Race, CA

13.8K/8.6M

640 meters/2100'

6/7/03

Northfield Mtn USATF NE Champs, MA

13.2K/8.2M

587 meters/1925'

10.30%

6/7/03

Teva Spring Runoff, CO

10.1K/6.4M

618 meters/2028'

12% up; 9% down

6/14/03

Jim Bridger Trail Run, MT

16.25K/10.1M

640 meters/2100'

7.90%

7/13/03

Barr Trail Mountain Race, CO

19.3K/12M

1106 meters/3630'

13%

8/9/03

Alyeska Mountain Run - Women

7.7K/4.8M

620 meters/2034'

16%

8/9/03

Alyeska Mountain Run - Men

11.5K/7.15M

900 meters/2953'

16.9% up; 16.3% down

Dave asked about the altitude of the races for a former teammate, Ed. Nancy
said that she emailed questions about the race bids to the three races that
would not be present to discuss their bids. Nancy said that she did not get a
reply from the Mt Wilson race. There was much discussion surrounding the bids
including race organization, altitudes, distances, dates, etc. Nancy reported
that the Jim Bridger race is new (as a selection candidate), a bit longer than
the Trophy event, and had a solid reputation with good organization. Everyone
noted the excellent organization of the Barr Trail Race and the elite field it
attracts, but also noted that the distance didn't mirror the Trophy course due
to length and altitude. Brad explained that if the Alyeska race bid isnt
awarded a championship Alyeska Resort personnel, instead of the Alaska Mountain
Runners would organize the event. Dave abstained from voting as he presented a
bid for an event he organizes.

Lorraine made a motion to award the following races:

Vail Hill Climb as the Mountain Championship

Barr Trail as the Trail Championship contingent on the Barr Trail Mountain
Race Committee allowing elite masters and open runners declaring their USATF
membership to compete, and for the prize money to be awarded only to USATF
members

Janice seconded the motion. Dave withdrew the Merrimack bid. Nancy abstained
from voting because she founded the Barr Trail race. The motion passed
unanimously.

Nancy suggested that the MUT Council focus on championship bids that are
proven events. The Dupont event being a first year event, would be an excellent
candidate in the future. It was stated that Vail Hill Climb could be a good race
to name a mens automatic team member (a fourth automatic berth).

Ed Parrot suggested selecting a race even if it is not perfect since it is
good to have championships and to start the process. Dan Brannen asked if there
is a perception issue if so many races are awarded to Colorado venues.

Lorraine made a motion to award the following races:

Vail Hill Climb as the Mountain Championship

Barr Trail as the Trail Championship contingent on the Barr Trail Mountain
Race Committee allowing elite masters and open runners declaring their USATF
membership to compete, and for the prize money to be awarded only to USATF
members.

Janice seconded the motion. Dave withdrew the Merrimack bid. Nancy abstained
from voting because she founded the Barr Trail race. The motion was unanimously
approved.

Nancy moved that 2004 and 2005 mountain and trail bids be tabled. Janice
seconded the motion and it was unanimously approved.

2003 White River 50-Mile with the 2004 pending $5,000 minimum prize money
and similar date as the 2003 race

2003 Golden Headlands 50K

Lorraine seconds the motion. The Council discussed the 2003 White River that
is a week later than last year and therefore a week closer to Golden Headlands.
Since the race director, as well as many athletes, prefers the August date, the
motion was unanimously approved.

Dave motions that the man named the national champion automatically be
selected for the Teva U.S. Mountain Running Team. Lorraine seconded the motion
and it was unanimously approved.

Ed Parrot reported that Ed Koch from the USATF Laws and Legislation Committee
said that there is no problem changing MUT "subcommittee" to MUT
"Council" in USATF documents.

The MUT Council meeting recessed at 7:30 pm until December 7th at 11:00 a.m.

Saturday, December 7, 2002

Nancy Hobbs called the meeting to order at 11:05 am.

International Association of Ultrarunners (IAU) Report - Kevin
presented the report for Lin Gentling, American Ultrarunning Associations (AUAs)
representative to IAU. Kevin reported that there has been a constitutional
crisis in IAU that was unfair and undemocratic. Kevin said that AUA interests
lost out. He explained that the AUA represents ultrarunning to the U.S. and we
enjoy an association with AUA.

Lin is the AUA representative to IAU. She established a relationship with
Malcolm Campbell, IAU President. During the 2001 struggle in IAU, there were
hard feelings between IAU and AUA but Lin has done outreach to Malcolm since.
Lin and Kevin are pressing for more from IAU such as a World Challenge 24-hour
race. There will be a World Challenge 24 Hour in the Netherlands in 2003. This
race sent an invitation to Kevin who is keeping it low keyed. He said it is a
nice race on the scope and scale of the World Challenge 100K and includes
three-person national teams. The status and date of the race is not certain.

Kevin mentioned the concerns within IAU. He reported on the technical flaws
at the 2003 World Challenge 100K in Belgium. He said that he tried to shield the
team members from the flaws. Kevin said that there are financial concerns as
well for the national teams at the World Challenge 100K. Malcolm is concerned
about the financial situation as well. The U.S. offered the suggestion to
alternate World Challenge 100K and 24-hour races every other year.

Janice asked how the IAU selects World Challenge races. Dan responded that
Malcolm does outreach for events and presents them to IAU. The 2004 World
Challenge 100K in Winschoten is on. Dan stated that races bidding in advance for
the World Challenge events are taking a step backward. Ruth explained why the
World Challenge 100K in Tarhout, Belgium was not right. Kevin said that times at
World Challenge 100K races are substantially slower. The finish times peaked in
1999. Comrades Marathon is killing the World Challenge 100K.

Lorraine said that she wanted to discuss how IAU delegates are selected. 2004
is the next IAU meeting and our representative can be reappointed or changed. .
Nancy said that the IAU delegate selection process will be addressed in MUTs
new operating procedures that will be drafted. Lorraine mentioned that the IAU
website states that USATF is a member organization and the AUA is an associate
member so it seems that the US can have two representatives in IAU one from
MUT and one from AUA. Dan Brannen stated that the information about how the U.S.
is represented on the IAU website is incorrect.

American Ultrarunners Association (AUA) Report - Dan Brannen
distributed and presented the AUA report incorporated in the minutes. Dan
mentioned the AUA officers, website, and domestic activities and programs that
include marketing and soliciting sponsorship. Dan reported that AUA included
ultra information in a 3,300-piece AUA/MUT mailing in 2002. The information
included a certified performance list of ultra race performances. Dan mentioned
that AUA wants to make proposals to MUT.

Dave Dunham asked if including a race calendar on the AUA website. Dan said
that AUA would publish a race calendar only if they can do it right.

Ultrarunners Supporting Ultrarunners (USU) Fund - Chrissy Ferguson
reported on the USU Fund that she established in 1997. She explained that she
established USU to collect funding for ultrarunners selected as team members to
receive some funding to go to World Challenge 100K. Chrissy explained that USU
distributes USU solicitation brochures to ultra race directors to include in
runners race packets.

Stan Ferguson presented the USU financial report. $37,000 has been collected
and distributed by USU over 7 years. Each years collection is distributed to
100K team members and staff. The most that was distributed in a year was
$10,000. Every year the North Texas Trailrunners contribute $1,500 through their
Rock Ridge Rumble race. The average amount of contributions collected from a
race is $500. Nancy suggested that USU link to other ultra websites.

Roy asked if the USU funds could be for the World Challenge 24-Hour team
members. Chrissy said that by their non-profit charter, their funds can only be
distributed to the World Challenge 100K team.

Masters Report - Roy Pirrung discussed issues effecting masters
ultrarunners. He said that we need procedures for Masters Ultra Runner of the
Year. He said that World Masters Association would host a Masters 100K Team
event at the 2003 World Challenge 100K in Taipei on November 16 for the first
time.

Changing masters age category from 40 to 50 was offered for discussion.
Kevin postponed the discussion and distributed a white paper titled "Masters
competition at Ultra Championships" on the subject (incorporated in the
minutes.) He asked Roy, Theresa Daus-Weber to look into the topic of raising
masters age category. Jerry Crockett, USATF Long Distance Running Chair, told
Ruth Anderson that there is better age grading information for distance.

Rankings - Dan Brannen mentioned lists of running performance
standards to include 100K. Currently the distance that standards are collected
for is 50 miles. The rest of the world has standards for 100K. Dan requested
that this topic be included as an agenda item for next year.

Teams Competing at National Championships - The MUT Council discussed
the topic of A and B teams competing at national ultra championships. Team
competition should be promoted in our ultra bid form. Lorraine explained because
there is such low participation of teams at ultra championships, she buys team
medals after the championship when she knows the number of medals needed.

Ultra Bid Continued - Janice Anderson, MUT Championship Coordinator,
reported on the ultra bids awarded at yesterdays meeting were White River
50-Mile Trail and Golden Headlands 50K Trail. She said that we have the
following two ultra bids to consider.

Continued Ultra Bids Summary

Race

Date

Location

Contact

Email/Website

Olander Park 100 Mile Run

Sept 13

Sylvania, OH

Tom Falvey
5835 Hideaway Lane
Sylvania, OH 43560
419-885-7399

falvey@prodigy.net

San Diego 1 Day - 24 Hour Run

Nov 8

San Diego, CA

John Metz
1419 S. Pacific Street
Oceanside, CA
760-967-8348

metz@adnc.com
www.geocities.com/sandiego1day/index.html

MUT Vision - Nancy Hobbs postponed discussion on the
"Vision" agenda item stating that the MUT Council is going to
restructure and grow by adding new mountain and trail member. Jim Garcia
distributed his proposal for team selection criteria entitled "Proposed
Selection Process" that is incorporated into the minutes. Lorraine Gersitz
made a plea for representatives to the MUT Council from USATF Associations.

Ultra Bids Finalized - Roy Pirrung asked is there a field limit for
the San Diego 1 Day track? Lorraine moved to accept the 2003 Olander 100-Mile
and the San Diego 1 Day and table the 2004 and 2005 bids. Janice seconded the
motion. Kevin mentioned the time conflict of San Diego 1 Day and World Challenge
24-Hour race on October 11, San Diego 1 Day on November 8, and the World Cup
100K on November 16. The Council agreed the timing of the races would affect
some runners but agreed that was not a reason to withhold the championship. The
Council discussed requiring USATF membership and will discuss this with the race
director. The motion passed with one vote against.

Dan Brannen talked about designating a fast lane on the San Diego 1 Day
track.

Kevin Setnes stated that AUA will submit a bid for a 100K Championship in
April for 2004 on a 6.9-mile road loop with no intersections.

Lorraine raised the issue of reimbursement for masters medals for ultra
championships that have not been received from the Olander 24-Hour race and
Edmund Fitzgerald 100Krace director by MUT. Lorraine will send a request for
reimbursement. Roy suggested that Lorraine request funding for masters medals
from Ken Robichaud, Masters LDR Championship Coordinator. The Council agreed
that for future championships MUT should pay for masters medals and patches if
at all possible.