Any Secular Reason Against Gay Marriage? - Think Atheist2017-09-26T20:18:01Zhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/any-secular-reason-against-gay-marriage?commentId=1982180%3AComment%3A1055558&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIf (and it's a huge "if") it…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2014-07-05:1982180:Comment:14726982014-07-05T15:38:56.075ZUnseenhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Unseen
<p>If (and it's a huge "if") it could be shown that children of gay parents are severely disadvantaged in some way, that would be a point against gay marriage. But we already let crack dealers marry alcoholics and have children, don't we?</p>
<p>If (and it's a huge "if") it could be shown that children of gay parents are severely disadvantaged in some way, that would be a point against gay marriage. But we already let crack dealers marry alcoholics and have children, don't we?</p> Ha, I love that! I hope the c…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2014-07-04:1982180:Comment:14723502014-07-04T17:18:05.777ZBethhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Beth863
<p>Ha, I love that! I hope the ceremony involves actual stomping on pancakes?</p>
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<p>Ha, I love that! I hope the ceremony involves actual stomping on pancakes?</p>
<p></p> Out of curiosity, did you avo…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-08-11:1982180:Comment:13629462013-08-11T04:54:30.689ZUnseenhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Unseen
<p>Out of curiosity, did you avoid the confirmation fallacy by also devoting equal (or more) diligence looking for studies that tended to show otherwise? If so, what were the results?</p>
<p>Now, don't misunderstand. I'm in favor of gay marriage on basic ethical principles, but I can certainly imagine that the children of gay couples can face some particular prejudices and other obstacles that the children of straight parents do not.</p>
<p>Out of curiosity, did you avoid the confirmation fallacy by also devoting equal (or more) diligence looking for studies that tended to show otherwise? If so, what were the results?</p>
<p>Now, don't misunderstand. I'm in favor of gay marriage on basic ethical principles, but I can certainly imagine that the children of gay couples can face some particular prejudices and other obstacles that the children of straight parents do not.</p> Studies have shown that Gay p…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-08-11:1982180:Comment:13628472013-08-11T03:04:00.673ZH3xxhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/H3xx
<p>Studies have shown that Gay parents are, on average, just as good as straight parents, and more often than not, better. <a href="http://www.livescience.com/17913-advantages-gay-parents.html" target="_blank">Link 1</a>, <a href="http://www.livescience.com/6073-children-raised-lesbians-fine-studies-show.html" target="_blank">Link 2</a>, <a href="http://www.livescience.com/13409-myths-gay-people-debunked-sexual-orientation.html" target="_blank">Link 3</a>,…</p>
<p>Studies have shown that Gay parents are, on average, just as good as straight parents, and more often than not, better. <a href="http://www.livescience.com/17913-advantages-gay-parents.html" target="_blank">Link 1</a>, <a href="http://www.livescience.com/6073-children-raised-lesbians-fine-studies-show.html" target="_blank">Link 2</a>, <a href="http://www.livescience.com/13409-myths-gay-people-debunked-sexual-orientation.html" target="_blank">Link 3</a>, <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/5-scientific-reasons-gay-parents-awesome-111132528.html" target="_blank">Link 4</a>, <a href="http://www.howstuffworks.com/5-gay-parenting-myths6.htm" target="_blank">Link 5</a>.</p> Incorrect. The idea that ever…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-02-21:1982180:Comment:10623972012-02-21T19:04:17.288ZDave Ghttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/DaveG
Incorrect. The idea that every concept and position can be condensed down to a sound bite is false and usually held by those who don't want to have to think too hard. Some ideas and positions actually require in-depth analysis and an underlying knowledge base that cannot be assumed. Otherwise, all textbooks would be mothing more than simple one-liners and one could become a PhD in physics in an afternoon.
Incorrect. The idea that every concept and position can be condensed down to a sound bite is false and usually held by those who don't want to have to think too hard. Some ideas and positions actually require in-depth analysis and an underlying knowledge base that cannot be assumed. Otherwise, all textbooks would be mothing more than simple one-liners and one could become a PhD in physics in an afternoon. Very well put, Rachel.tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-02-21:1982180:Comment:10623762012-02-21T18:58:49.576ZDave Ghttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/DaveG
Very well put, Rachel.
Very well put, Rachel. You know, a lot has to do wit…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-02-21:1982180:Comment:10615472012-02-21T16:24:03.817ZUnseenhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Unseen
<p>You know, a lot has to do with one's attitude. Reading into it something that wasn't intended. I'm sure everyone who worked so hard to give gays equal rights had no idea their good deed would be sending a "You don't deserve marriage" message. </p>
<p>What evidence do you have that it has anything to do with what gays deserve? Were there, in the debates leading to the legislation anyone testifying "Gays don't deserve to have this labeled 'marriage'?" I doubt it.</p>
<p>In the end, we are all…</p>
<p>You know, a lot has to do with one's attitude. Reading into it something that wasn't intended. I'm sure everyone who worked so hard to give gays equal rights had no idea their good deed would be sending a "You don't deserve marriage" message. </p>
<p>What evidence do you have that it has anything to do with what gays deserve? Were there, in the debates leading to the legislation anyone testifying "Gays don't deserve to have this labeled 'marriage'?" I doubt it.</p>
<p>In the end, we are all responsible for our feelings and how we respond to what happens to us. Don't make it someone else's responsibility, especially when a lot of hetero legislators took a big risk by bucking the sentiments of a huge part of the electorate.</p>
<p>I'm sure some of the legislators who spent a huge amount of political capital to give gays equal rights are having that "No good deed goes unpunished" feeling.</p> That can be fixed and probabl…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-02-21:1982180:Comment:10615452012-02-21T16:14:42.377ZUnseenhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Unseen
<p>That can be fixed and probably will be once the Supreme Court deals with the question.</p>
<p>That can be fixed and probably will be once the Supreme Court deals with the question.</p> The problem with civil unions…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-02-21:1982180:Comment:10614572012-02-21T16:11:49.226ZStefaniehttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/serialx83
<p>The problem with civil unions is that they lack portability. If same-sex marriage is not recognized federally, any rights that you have been given by your civil union, whether they be the same as marriage or not, are not recognized as soon as you leave the state. That is not equal.</p>
<p>And on the note of people always jumping to the conclusion that we are on the slope of people being allowed to marry their pets or girlfriends corpse.. how is it that this leap is made? It's not even…</p>
<p>The problem with civil unions is that they lack portability. If same-sex marriage is not recognized federally, any rights that you have been given by your civil union, whether they be the same as marriage or not, are not recognized as soon as you leave the state. That is not equal.</p>
<p>And on the note of people always jumping to the conclusion that we are on the slope of people being allowed to marry their pets or girlfriends corpse.. how is it that this leap is made? It's not even comparable. Talking about same-sex marriage is still under the presumption that we are talking about two adults giving their mutual consent to enter into a marriage. It is not comparable to a pet or corpse or what have you, that cannot consent.</p> I agree completely. Giving th…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-02-21:1982180:Comment:10615442012-02-21T16:08:51.131ZStefaniehttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/serialx83
<p>I agree completely. Giving the lgbt community a separate but equal status just deems them second class citizens. It's just saying that even though they may deserve equal rights, they are not deserving of a marriage.</p>
<p>I agree completely. Giving the lgbt community a separate but equal status just deems them second class citizens. It's just saying that even though they may deserve equal rights, they are not deserving of a marriage.</p>