Seeing new TGs pop up from time to time is something I've noticed for years. If you all really want to track down and figure out who/what they are, you should run UniTrunker. I run it 24x7 and there are a lot of unidentified TG all the time.

Another thing would be to include the RIDs with the unidentified TG. Maybe someone else will see or know what their "normal" TG is.

I see where for some reason TG 8021 was deleted from the database.... for some odd reason it is active nearly every weekday in ohio county.... it used to be listed as berkeley county sheriff detectives and when i went to update my radios yesterday i noticed it has since been deleted.... although it iwas listed as a full time encrypted channel, I have heard a handful of transmissions in the clear- one of which i remember was a user calling out at the ERJ to speak with an inmate.... (additionally, all clear traffic i have heard confirms that the TG is indeed from berkeley county). I have no idea why it would be active almost every day in wheeling when it has nothing to do with ohio county..... or why it was completely deleted from the database.

a while back, i also heard off the ohio county system 100% encrypted traffic on 8001, 8003, 8005, and 8007 which are TG's that were never listed in the DB.

a while back, i also heard off the ohio county system 100% encrypted traffic on 8001, 8003, 8005, and 8007 which are TG's that were never listed in the DB.

The reason why 8001, 8003, 8005 and 8007 wre never added in the DB is because nobody knows their use. Since, as you said, it is 100% encrypted traffic, nobody [except an insider] would know the agency who is using it / its intended use. So those ones can't be added to the DB.

Mike

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If anything, they should not be in the DB for security reasons on the part of the users. They should also not be included in any streaming feeds..

No security concerns as far as i can see.

1. Fed agencies on WVIRP have encryption capabilities [and obviously make use of those capabilities].

If we knew the agency using them, there'd be no reason not to list them. No fear of them going encrypted because they already are encrypted.

2. Encrypted channels, TAC channels, and various other items are already addressed in the RR Feed TOS. You can't have em. If somebody puts them in, and somebody is aware that they are in there, then someone needs to report it.

So it's really a nonissue in my opinion. The RR policy is to list everything. There are some admins who for various [good] reasons will not list particular talkgroups, but I'm not one of them. Everything I get, I list. If it's of a private nature, they can encrypt. I have only one exception to that rule.

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1. Fed agencies on WVIRP have encryption capabilities [and obviously make use of those capabilities].

If we knew the agency using them, there'd be no reason not to list them. No fear of them going encrypted because they already are encrypted.

2. Encrypted channels, TAC channels, and various other items are already addressed in the RR Feed TOS. You can't have em. If somebody puts them in, and somebody is aware that they are in there, then someone needs to report it.

So it's really a nonissue in my opinion. The RR policy is to list everything. There are some admins who for various [good] reasons will not list particular talkgroups, but I'm not one of them. Everything I get, I list. If it's of a private nature, they can encrypt. I have only one exception to that rule.

Mike

And there is the answer to why myself and some others don't submit some info.

I also see an FCC application by Harrison Co Emergency Services to add one or two freqs to what they say is the Blueville/Grafton WVSIRN site. They say that Taylor Co SO is on VHF and is experiencing failure of their infrastructure and mobile units, so Harrison-Taylor 911 wants to move them to IRP - which would apparently require more capacity on the Taylor site.

The app was returned because it was file wrong [and filed by the wrong entity I suppose].

Anyway, just a heads up if you're in Taylor Co that you may soon be hearing Taylor SO on WVSIRN.

That also leads me to wonder if the Blueville/Grafton site is up -- it would likely have an active control channel on 460.500.

Mike

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I noticed that TG 3707 was listed in the database as being Barbour County Law Enforcement. If memory serves me correctly, I believe that TG 3707 is indeed the Upshur County Sheriffs Department, not Barbour County. I will have to get my Pro 106 out of the vechicle and check, anyone else know which one this is?