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Panaeolus cyanescens, copelandia cyanescens, and psilocybe cyanescens. I have no experience growing any of these, but my ? is: are they the same species or are they all different? Also, what are the dosages needed for each species to equal 5g. of Psilocybe cubensis?

I can only give a personal comparison of 3 species: P. azurescens, a mushroom of the european P. cyanescens complex(P. arcana ?, P. serbica ?) and Pan. cyanescens, and I found them all to be roughly the same potency by weight.

imo, psilocybe cyanescens is stronger, and easier to grow outdoors .but, copelandia cyanescens will give you better visuals .both are excellent choices . so, i would go with the one that suits your climate best . or why not try them both !

another thing to consider, copelandia cyanescens is harder to dry without losing potency .i would recommend freezing them .

Psilocybe cyanescens and related binomials (Azurescens, Australiana, Bohemica) are the most potent mushrooms in terms of alkaloid ratios and maxima. If you compare the same weight of panaeolus cyanescens and psilocybe Australiana (nearly identical to ps.cyanescens) I would say that Australiana was atleast twice as potent from bioassays. This is backed up by measurements and alkaloid maxima ratios from Gartz and others.Anno you yourself quoted Arcana with the highest maxima of alkaloids ever recoreded.So Psilocybe CYanescens = highly potent to extremePanaeolus Cyanescens,Tropiculs and 11 binomials = highly potentPsilocybe Cubensis = weakly potent.Panaeolus Subba = not worth the effort.

Ha! Ten dried specimens of Ps.Subaeruginosa/Australiana/Cyanescens will send you literally to outter space.Pan cyans are hard to measure when dried because they literally dry up to nothing - so 1 dried gram would be a huge amount of dried mushrooms, whereas ps.cyanescens dry up to larger mass. In terms of fruit bodies, ps.cyanescens are far more potent (one specimen of equal size), however, as pan cyans would make a larger amount of fruitbodies when dried to make up one gram, I can see your point.

That point is a very important one. SIZE of specimens that make up the sample. The more mushrooms present in a sample the more likely you are to eat specimens at the UPPER RANGE of potency. Becasue Copelandias dry to almost nothing MEANS everything. 1 gram of Copelandias could contain as much as 100 specimens sometimes. Grow some on Cambodians on rye grain!!!

100 mushrooms compared to 1 or not even 1 mushroom. The likely hood of BLOWING your mind out is greatly increased with Copelandias.

Pans are as easy to weigh as any other mushroom. It just takes more to get the same weight.

Compare 1 gram dry to 1 gram dry, and do it ten times.

You can't compare a single specimen of Copelandia to a single Specimen of any of the P. cyanescens complex. You can only compare gram to gram(weight). The quantity of mushrooms present in the sample will narrow any margin of potency difference between the two species.

How much weight is ten dried specimens of the cyanescens complex. Now eat a copelandia sample of the same weight and TELL me WHICH ONE GETS YOU more fucked up. Now do it several times.

And i don't care what any ISOLATED TESTS of SMALL SAMPLES of Mushrooms will STATE. Look at the concentration differences found between samples of EACH Species. There are HUGE variances.

Indoor mushrooms tend to be stronger then the outdoors as well, with Less difference between mushroom specimens.

I have found no problems with air drying Copelandias and then keeping them in the freezer. They seem to remain VERY POTENT to me. The potency Losses tend to come from overhandling the specimens when harvesting. Just be very gentle. Most will snap right off the substrate, those that have substrate left on them, SLICE it off with a sharp razor. Handle as little as possible and let them dry into a birds nest.

Copelandias are the STRONGEST MUSHROOM i have ever eaten, DRIED. Never ate any of the Cyanescens complex fresh though, only dried, and I can not be certain of how OLD those were since they were obtained the old fashion way, from SOMEONE ELSE and from SOMEWHERE ELSE. It is a TADDDDD bit warm where I live.