That 1989 season pops up on a lot of teams, so I decided I would give him a shot. Couldn't be happier for the price. 80 mil. Granted, it was ATL fulton county.

702 PA / 615 AB / .317 / .392 / .543 / 32 / 132 (38/47 SB)

What surprised me the most was his defense, with only 1 error, 21- plays, and 2 plus plays. In my opinion, that's better defense than some of the B-/B- SS guys, who seem to make 30 errors and 10 minus plays. I don't think there is a better deal at the shortstop position.

Posted by bringinsxybc on 12/10/2012 7:51:00 PM (view original):That 1989 season pops up on a lot of teams, so I decided I would give him a shot. Couldn't be happier for the price. 80 mil. Granted, it was ATL fulton county.

702 PA / 615 AB / .317 / .392 / .543 / 32 / 132 (38/47 SB)

What surprised me the most was his defense, with only 1 error, 21- plays, and 2 plus plays. In my opinion, that's better defense than some of the B-/B- SS guys, who seem to make 30 errors and 10 minus plays. I don't think there is a better deal at the shortstop position.

If he's 100%, I don't think he'll make any errors. If he plays all 162 games at SS, he'll usually be close to 30 minus plays. But I agree, that season is a good value.

Posted by ncmusician_7 on 12/12/2012 11:00:00 PM (view original):720.5 is HJs PA plus the extra 10%. For SS, I consider a minus play and an error to be of equivalent value (a single). I prefer using the # numbers, rather than performance history.

My valuing of defense is admitedly conservative and skews to valuing fielding over + plays.

Posted by ncmusician_7 on 12/12/2012 11:00:00 PM (view original):720.5 is HJs PA plus the extra 10%. For SS, I consider a minus play and an error to be of equivalent value (a single). I prefer using the # numbers, rather than performance history.

My valuing of defense is admitedly conservative and skews to valuing fielding over + plays.

With outfielders I might agree with that, but I think + plays are more valuable if from an infielder.

If you've already adjusted the offensive line for defense, isn't adding a pitchers' salary adjustment redundant? IE you've already taken that damage to your pitchers into account in the modified offensive line? Not that both aren't meaningful ways to look at it, but I think by listing it the way you are you are at least suggesting an over-emphasis on defense.

Posted by dahsdebater on 12/13/2012 11:34:00 PM (view original):If you've already adjusted the offensive line for defense, isn't adding a pitchers' salary adjustment redundant? IE you've already taken that damage to your pitchers into account in the modified offensive line? Not that both aren't meaningful ways to look at it, but I think by listing it the way you are you are at least suggesting an over-emphasis on defense.

If you save a hit (or an error), then you allowing your pitcher to face a batter at a later time. I don't think my logic is wrong.