time like utility? - Hewlett Packard

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process takes? I am thinking like the unix "time" utility. Measures
down to 100 milliseconds I think.
I've gotten some 9gig disks to work as data disks ...

time like utility?

Is there an easy utility to time, wallclock and processor, how long a
process takes? I am thinking like the unix "time" utility. Measures
down to 100 milliseconds I think.

I've gotten some 9gig disks to work as data disks (thought not yet as
boot disks...) and the for file access is very startling to me, so
much so that I need to test some big file writes and reads on 'em to
be sure. They seem to be something like 9 to 10 times faster than poor
old internal drive.

Now admittedly, these drives *can* perform a whole lot faster than
Telzy can drive them (they can and do handle 160mbs), even if they are
considered slow and small by today's standards. But that much
difference on a 33mhz processor? Even going through a Fast/Wide
adapter??

Re: time like utility?

The 937LX that you have (it was a 937 right?) has an NIO bus, it is rated at 32mbits/sec with a sustained rate of 20mbits per second.

Somebody help me here, senior moment, what does NIO stand for?

-Craig

--- On Thu, 10/23/08, Paul Raulerson wrote:
> From: Paul Raulerson
> Subject: time like utility?
> To: HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU
> Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 8:22 PM
> Is there an easy utility to time, wallclock and processor,
> how long a
> process takes? I am thinking like the unix "time"
> utility. Measures
> down to 100 milliseconds I think.
>
> I've gotten some 9gig disks to work as data disks
> (thought not yet as
> boot disks...) and the for file access is very startling to
> me, so
> much so that I need to test some big file writes and reads
> on 'em to
> be sure. They seem to be something like 9 to 10 times
> faster than poor
> old internal drive.
>
> Now admittedly, these drives *can* perform a whole lot
> faster than
> Telzy can drive them (they can and do handle 160mbs), even
> if they are
> considered slow and small by today's standards. But
> that much
> difference on a 33mhz processor? Even going through a
> Fast/Wide
> adapter??
>
> -Paul
>
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Re: time like utility?

Nope -- it is a 917LX. I think that the processors are the same
speed, but I have no idea about data bus differences.
-Paul

On Oct 23, 2008, at 8:39 PM, Craig Lalley wrote:
> Paul,
>
> The 937LX that you have (it was a 937 right?) has an NIO bus, it is
> rated at 32mbits/sec with a sustained rate of 20mbits per second.
>
> Somebody help me here, senior moment, what does NIO stand for?
>
> -Craig
>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 10/23/08, Paul Raulerson wrote:
>
>> From: Paul Raulerson
>> Subject: time like utility?
>> To: HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU
>> Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 8:22 PM
>> Is there an easy utility to time, wallclock and processor,
>> how long a
>> process takes? I am thinking like the unix "time"
>> utility. Measures
>> down to 100 milliseconds I think.
>>
>> I've gotten some 9gig disks to work as data disks
>> (thought not yet as
>> boot disks...) and the for file access is very startling to
>> me, so
>> much so that I need to test some big file writes and reads
>> on 'em to
>> be sure. They seem to be something like 9 to 10 times
>> faster than poor
>> old internal drive.
>>
>> Now admittedly, these drives *can* perform a whole lot
>> faster than
>> Telzy can drive them (they can and do handle 160mbs), even
>> if they are
>> considered slow and small by today's standards. But
>> that much
>> difference on a 33mhz processor? Even going through a
>> Fast/Wide
>> adapter??
>>
>> -Paul
>>
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Re: time like utility?

A few years back I wrote a script that does that. I was using it to fine
tune some scripts that I was developing, but it can be used to 'time' any
command on the HP3000.

I'll try to post it before Monday, as at the moment I don't have access to
that server.

Regards
Paul Christidis

HP-3000 Systems Discussion wrote on 10/23/2008
06:22:16 PM:
> Is there an easy utility to time, wallclock and processor, how long a
> process takes? I am thinking like the unix "time" utility. Measures
> down to 100 milliseconds I think.
>
> I've gotten some 9gig disks to work as data disks (thought not yet as
> boot disks...) and the for file access is very startling to me, so
> much so that I need to test some big file writes and reads on 'em to
> be sure. They seem to be something like 9 to 10 times faster than poor
> old internal drive.
>
> Now admittedly, these drives *can* perform a whole lot faster than
> Telzy can drive them (they can and do handle 160mbs), even if they are
> considered slow and small by today's standards. But that much
> difference on a 33mhz processor? Even going through a Fast/Wide
> adapter??
>
> -Paul
>
> * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, *
> * etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *

> Is there an easy utility to time, wallclock and processor, how long a
> process takes? I am thinking like the unix "time" utility. Measures
> down to 100 milliseconds I think.
>
> I've gotten some 9gig disks to work as data disks (thought not yet as
> boot disks...) and the for file access is very startling to me, so
> much so that I need to test some big file writes and reads on 'em to
> be sure. They seem to be something like 9 to 10 times faster than poor
> old internal drive.
>
> Now admittedly, these drives *can* perform a whole lot faster than
> Telzy can drive them (they can and do handle 160mbs), even if they are
> considered slow and small by today's standards. But that much
> difference on a 33mhz processor? Even going through a Fast/Wide
> adapter??
>
> -Paul
>
> * To join/leave the list, search archives, change list settings, *
> * etc., please visit http://raven.utc.edu/archives/hp3000-l.html *

Re: time like utility?

Craig wrote: The 937LX that you have (it was a 937 right?) has an NIO bus, it is rated at 32mbits/sec with a sustained rate of 20mbits per second.
"Native I/O" -- meaning the I/O cards (Host Bus Adapters or Device Adapters) communicating using the PA RISC IO ACD definitions. The buses you plugged I/O cards into had characteristics close to what Craig quotes. However later systems had NIO buses that ran up to 100Mhz and where 64/128 bits wide for the CPU & memory communication. The earliest MPE/XL systems used I/O cards that were based upon the MPE Classic I/O cards. So they were termed CIO for (Compatibility I/O or Channel I/O as I/O driver writers did "channel programming" on MPE V) and so required an extra Channel Adapter hardware to convert their CIO signals to NIO for the Memory and CPU -- there wasalso a CAM or Channel Adapter Manager software which managed the CA. So for most system before 9x7 (like 950 "family" and 922/32/48/58 & 49) you'd have a hardware & software stack like:

9x9 & 99x systems were "all" NIO though they had higher speed NIO for CPU/Memory and more layers for I/O expansion capabilities.
What's a little interesting is that the last generation of HP e3000s we were moving back something like CIO but based upon PCI:

These components are all visible in the I/O paths and you can see the namesfor the "manager" software for each layer in the "pmgr" field in Sysgen IO> LP. There are software managers for the Ike and Elroy but they exist only for some boot time initialization and don't get involved in moving bytes.So they data flow isn't really any more complex from an OS standpoint than it was for 9x7. . .

Hope you all had a safe and fun Halloween -- spotty rain here but enough time to fill modest buckets for my two little ghosts.

Jim

--- On Thu, 10/23/08, Paul Raulerson wrote:
> From: Paul Raulerson
> Subject: time like utility?
> To: HP3000-L@RAVEN.UTC.EDU
> Date: Thursday, October 23, 2008, 8:22 PM
> Is there an easy utility to time, wallclock and processor,
> how long a
> process takes? I am thinking like the unix "time"
> utility. Measures
> down to 100 milliseconds I think.
>
> I've gotten some 9gig disks to work as data disks
> (thought not yet as
> boot disks...) and the for file access is very startling to
> me, so
> much so that I need to test some big file writes and reads
> on 'em to
> be sure. They seem to be something like 9 to 10 times
> faster than poor
> old internal drive.
>
> Now admittedly, these drives *can* perform a whole lot
> faster than
> Telzy can drive them (they can and do handle 160mbs), even
> if they are
> considered slow and small by today's standards. But
> that much
> difference on a 33mhz processor? Even going through a
> Fast/Wide
> adapter??
>
> -Paul
>
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