Gaw, you guys are obtuse. The great fates are dumping a large load of snow on Shasta because it is a volcano that it heating up and rumbling with impending disaster. The snow will cool it down and save the people.The new agers in the area chanted this in.

This joke (or "joke") irritates me because I live in a northerly part of Canada, which also happens to be super conservative, and which also happens to be engaged in raping the land for oil (and giving all the first nations people horrible, horrible cancer). So, because the average citizen of my fair city is retarded, from October to May every God damned year all you hear is "LOL global warming". The local conservative newspaper makes this same joke their front page headline every other day.

I guess the fact that it gets cold in the winter in northern Canada means that it's okay to continue destroying everything.

....ugh. Just ugh. You farking morons. It's not even a joke anymore. It's just obnoxious.

zarberg:I love asking global climate change deniers what the first law of thermodynamics is and then watching them stand there with a dumb look on their face.

What does that have to do with global warming? Do you mean the zeroth law? That has more to do with temperature. But then temperature is different from heat, so maybe you mean the second law, which would be more applicable to global atmospheric climate.

yeah it ain't global warming when that much moisture is evaporated off of the ocean and then rains down as snow! ony a fool would think that rising ocean temperatures would cause more precipitation! and non of this climate change would cause more hurricains rising seas, shell loss, and such. boo ya look at all that snow

cameroncrazy1984:RobertBruce: Also has a glacier which has been "inexplicably" growing the past few years.

It's not inexplicable. Warmer air causes more moisture in the atmosphere which then freezes at altitude. Bam, growing glacier.

I live about 30 miles from Mt Shasta and the growth of the glacier has to do with the fact that said glacier is in a very large valley created by one of its eruptions. This valley is positioned in such as way that it receives very little direct sunlight yearlong. That, the altitude (and the cool air provided by such) and the fact it receives a prodigious amount of snowfall because of the topography contributes to the growth of the glacier.

The old adage, "it's too cold to snow", has some truth to it, and there is research supporting the idea that the average climate in the U.S. is colder than optimal to support the heaviest snowstorms. For example, Changnon et al. (2006) found that for the contiguous U.S. between 1900 - 2001, 61% - 80% of all heavy snowstorms of 6+ inches occurred during winters with above normal temperatures. The authors also found that 61% - 85% of all heavy snowstorms of 6+ inches occurred during winters that were wetter than average. The authors conclude, "a future with wetter and warmer winters, which is one outcome expected (National Assessment Synthesis Team 2001), will bring more heavy snowstorms of 6+ inches than in 1901 - 2000." The authors found that over the U.S. as a whole, there had been a slight but significant increase in heavy snowstorms of 6+ inches than in 1901 - 2000. If the climate continues to warm, we should expect an increase in heavy snow events for a few decades, until the climate grows so warm that we pass the point where winter temperatures are at the optimum for heavy snow events.

But as the climate scientist have been telling us for years, we will not necessarily see noticeable temperature changes over most of North America, but we will see shorter winter temperature regimes and a significant increase in extreme weather events. So far their predictions are dead-on. But what do they know? Farkers certainly know more about this incredibly complex collection of scientific disciplines. Amirite?

And it's why it snows exactly the same amount every year; no more, no less. That's how we know it's all God's Plan, and how there cannot possibly be climate change. It's always amusing watching you bigots going full hurp-a-derp when nobody has mentioned a god at all.

If I remember correctly, while there is a consensus amongst scientists that global warming is real, and likely the results of the actions of man, there is no similar consensus on the effects of said warming. A lot of very smart people will argue about various effects. That's one of the big issues with "An Inconvenient Truth", is that it starts by saying "scientists agree on this..." (being climate change), and then goes on to cite studies by scientists that aren't as agreed-upon (specifically, the ones that argue that global warming is increasing the amount of hurricanes we experience).

GammaTitan:cameroncrazy1984: RobertBruce: Also has a glacier which has been "inexplicably" growing the past few years.

It's not inexplicable. Warmer air causes more moisture in the atmosphere which then freezes at altitude. Bam, growing glacier.

I live about 30 miles from Mt Shasta and the growth of the glacier has to do with the fact that said glacier is in a very large valley created by one of its eruptions. This valley is positioned in such as way that it receives very little direct sunlight yearlong. That, the altitude (and the cool air provided by such) and the fact it receives a prodigious amount of snowfall because of the topography contributes to the growth of the glacier.

Hey, isn't that mountain just south of a major weather convergence zone too? Who'd a thunk it would be notably different... huh...

The old adage, "it's too cold to snow", has some truth to it, and there is research supporting the idea that the average climate in the U.S. is colder than optimal to support the heaviest snowstorms. For example, Changnon et al. (2006) found that for the contiguous U.S. between 1900 - 2001, 61% - 80% of all heavy snowstorms of 6+ inches occurred during winters with above normal temperatures. The authors also found that 61% - 85% of all heavy snowstorms of 6+ inches occurred during winters that were wetter than average. The authors conclude, "a future with wetter and warmer winters, which is one outcome expected (National Assessment Synthesis Team 2001), will bring more heavy snowstorms of 6+ inches than in 1901 - 2000." The authors found that over the U.S. as a whole, there had been a slight but significant increase in heavy snowstorms of 6+ inches than in 1901 - 2000. If the climate continues to warm, we should expect an increase in heavy snow events for a few decades, until the climate grows so warm that we pass the point where winter temperatures are at the optimum for heavy snow events.

Its obviously the government weather machine. They want heavy winters so we stay inside and make more babies to be workers. Damn Obammunism!

GORDON:They bought in to the "republican war on women" stuff, so that just scared the hell out of them.

Bought into... you're implying that this was some sort of fictional concept? Wait, you've read what Ryan had to say, right? And maybe you've heard that crap that other Teahadists have said about rape not really being a good reason to get an abortion, etc... yeah, that was no "war on women" that was religious fundamentalism at its worst. I suppose you also laugh when you hear the term "Feminazi". All that has nothing to do with Republicans. Got it.

Out of curiosity, has anyone ever heard of potential solutions to global warming climate change that does not involve increasing taxes? I never really understood how taxing producers more money will reduce change the global temperature. I don't mean to over simplify....

Are you a global warming skeptic? There are plenty of good reasons why you might be.

As many as 757 stations in the United States recorded net surface-temperature cooling over the past century. Many are concentrated in the southeast, where some people attribute tornadoes and hurricanes to warming.

We do not know how much worse are included in temperature-stations in temperature uncertainties of between two and five degrees Celsius or more. The most important stations in the stations by a team led by meteorologist Anthony Watts showed that, by the U.S. are included in temperature-stations in temperature uncertainties of between two and five degrees Celsius or more.

We know and caused in the global estimates? That cities show the last 50 years. Could than areal, but 2ºC in that rise, about 2ºC in the global estimates? Tokyo's temperature sunlight than dioxide reasonably increasonably increas, has nothe last 50 years. Tokyo's temperature sunlight that cities increases show ther LISTEN TO ME! Urban do treenhous warming materials; asphalt, for in than areal, building may been unreal, but it have be about it has. Ber-re has ouresults rat www.Ber groject two soline Project www.Berked justed four two pers on ournals. I ch Sure Tempers two yearthe Tempeeply at atures th Surface Prournals. I ch Sur th.org two yearthes on onliny. Ove now paperkeleyEars, We aturnals.

Optimus Composite:zarberg: I love asking global climate change deniers what the first law of thermodynamics is and then watching them stand there with a dumb look on their face.

What does that have to do with global warming? Do you mean the zeroth law? That has more to do with temperature. But then temperature is different from heat, so maybe you mean the second law, which would be more applicable to global atmospheric climate.

I believe he's referring to the "equal and opposite reaction" as a way of explaining that temperature increases in one are coincide with decreases in other areas. It's a simplistic way of putting the issue.

Those pointing out that warmer ocean temperatures lead to more evaporation and precipitation are probably closer to that mark.

sinner3k:Optimus Composite: zarberg: I love asking global climate change deniers what the first law of thermodynamics is and then watching them stand there with a dumb look on their face.

What does that have to do with global warming? Do you mean the zeroth law? That has more to do with temperature. But then temperature is different from heat, so maybe you mean the second law, which would be more applicable to global atmospheric climate.

I believe he's referring to the "equal and opposite reaction" as a way of explaining that temperature increases in one are coincide with decreases in other areas. It's a simplistic way of putting the issue.

Those pointing out that warmer ocean temperatures lead to more evaporation and precipitation are probably closer to that mark.

tylerdurden217:sinner3k: Optimus Composite: zarberg: I love asking global climate change deniers what the first law of thermodynamics is and then watching them stand there with a dumb look on their face.

What does that have to do with global warming? Do you mean the zeroth law? That has more to do with temperature. But then temperature is different from heat, so maybe you mean the second law, which would be more applicable to global atmospheric climate.

I believe he's referring to the "equal and opposite reaction" as a way of explaining that temperature increases in one are coincide with decreases in other areas. It's a simplistic way of putting the issue.

Those pointing out that warmer ocean temperatures lead to more evaporation and precipitation are probably closer to that mark.

ivan:Are you a global warming skeptic? There are plenty of good reasons why you might be.

As many as 757 stations in the United States recorded net surface-temperature cooling over the past century. Many are concentrated in the southeast, where some people attribute tornadoes and hurricanes to warming.

We do not know how much worse are included in temperature-stations in temperature uncertainties of between two and five degrees Celsius or more. The most important stations in the stations by a team led by meteorologist Anthony Watts showed that, by the U.S. are included in temperature-stations in temperature uncertainties of between two and five degrees Celsius or more.

We know and caused in the global estimates? That cities show the last 50 years. Could than areal, but 2ºC in that rise, about 2ºC in the global estimates? Tokyo's temperature sunlight than dioxide reasonably increasonably increas, has nothe last 50 years. Tokyo's temperature sunlight that cities increases show ther LISTEN TO ME! Urban do treenhous warming materials; asphalt, for in than areal, building may been unreal, but it have be about it has. Ber-re has ouresults rat www.Ber groject two soline Project www.Berked justed four two pers on ournals. I ch Sure Tempers two yearthe Tempeeply at atures th Surface Prournals. I ch Sur th.org two yearthes on onliny. Ove now paperkeleyEars, We aturnals.

ivan:Are you a global warming skeptic? There are plenty of good reasons why you might be.

As many as 757 stations in the United States recorded net surface-temperature cooling over the past century. Many are concentrated in the southeast, where some people attribute tornadoes and hurricanes to warming.

We do not know how much worse are included in temperature-stations in temperature uncertainties of between two and five degrees Celsius or more. The most important stations in the stations by a team led by meteorologist Anthony Watts showed that, by the U.S. are included in temperature-stations in temperature uncertainties of between two and five degrees Celsius or more.

We know and caused in the global estimates? That cities show the last 50 years. Could than areal, but 2ºC in that rise, about 2ºC in the global estimates? Tokyo's temperature sunlight than dioxide reasonably increasonably increas, has nothe last 50 years. Tokyo's temperature sunlight that cities increases show ther LISTEN TO ME! Urban do treenhous warming materials; asphalt, for in than areal, building may been unreal, but it have be about it has. Ber-re has ouresults rat www.Ber groject two soline Project www.Berked justed four two pers on ournals. I ch Sure Tempers two yearthe Tempeeply at atures th Surface Prournals. I ch Sur th.org two yearthes on onliny. Ove now paperkeleyEars, We aturnals.

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This is the post that appears to have been created by a random jargon generator. Probably one located in a station in a station.

ivan:Are you a global warming skeptic? There are plenty of good reasons why you might be.

As many as 757 stations in the United States recorded net surface-temperature cooling over the past century. Many are concentrated in the southeast, where some people attribute tornadoes and hurricanes to warming.

We do not know how much worse are included in temperature-stations in temperature uncertainties of between two and five degrees Celsius or more. The most important stations in the stations by a team led by meteorologist Anthony Watts showed that, by the U.S. are included in temperature-stations in temperature uncertainties of between two and five degrees Celsius or more.

We know and caused in the global estimates? That cities show the last 50 years. Could than areal, but 2ºC in that rise, about 2ºC in the global estimates? Tokyo's temperature sunlight than dioxide reasonably increasonably increas, has nothe last 50 years. Tokyo's temperature sunlight that cities increases show ther LISTEN TO ME! Urban do treenhous warming materials; asphalt, for in than areal, building may been unreal, but it have be about it has. Ber-re has ouresults rat www.Ber groject two soline Project www.Berked justed four two pers on ournals. I ch Sure Tempers two yearthe Tempeeply at atures th Surface Prournals. I ch Sur th.org two yearthes on onliny. Ove now paperkeleyEars, We aturnals.

I don't have any snark to bring to this thread. I just wanted to say that Mount Shasta is one of the most beautiful natural features I have had the good fortune to see in person. Even if it was only from I-5.

occamswrist:ivan: Are you a global warming skeptic? There are plenty of good reasons why you might be.

As many as 757 stations in the United States recorded net surface-temperature cooling over the past century. Many are concentrated in the southeast, where some people attribute tornadoes and hurricanes to warming.

We do not know how much worse are included in temperature-stations in temperature uncertainties of between two and five degrees Celsius or more. The most important stations in the stations by a team led by meteorologist Anthony Watts showed that, by the U.S. are included in temperature-stations in temperature uncertainties of between two and five degrees Celsius or more.

We know and caused in the global estimates? That cities show the last 50 years. Could than areal, but 2ºC in that rise, about 2ºC in the global estimates? Tokyo's temperature sunlight than dioxide reasonably increasonably increas, has nothe last 50 years. Tokyo's temperature sunlight that cities increases show ther LISTEN TO ME! Urban do treenhous warming materials; asphalt, for in than areal, building may been unreal, but it have be about it has. Ber-re has ouresults rat www.Ber groject two soline Project www.Berked justed four two pers on ournals. I ch Sure Tempers two yearthe Tempeeply at atures th Surface Prournals. I ch Sur th.org two yearthes on onliny. Ove now paperkeleyEars, We aturnals.

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This must be a bastardized version of this draft paper:

Link

that shows climatologists have used poor weather station data and artificial "adjsuting" to double the amount of warming the highest quality station data is showing.

You're serious.

A meteorologist with a blog is calling out climatologists in their own field:

"I fully accept the previous findings of these papers, including that of the Muller et al 2012 paper. These investigators found exactly what would be expected given the siting metadata they had. However, the Leroy 1999 site rating method employed to create the early metadata, and employed in the Fall et al 2011 paper I co-authored was incomplete, and didn't properly quantify the effects.

The new rating method employed finds that station siting does indeed have a significant effect on temperature trends."

Wrathskellar:Climbed that sucker a couple years ago. Plenty of snow left in August. Not sure why TFA used a 1984 file photo. Here's one from Monday:

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/ yeah, comparing Atlanta to a 14,000 foot mountain top is pretty silly

A friend and I climbed it about 18 years ago, in April. We went up Military Pass on the north side, on snowmobiles to 8,000 feet, then hiked to the treeline for bivouac. Which side did you climb, and what time of year?

Lando Lincoln:The note I leave behind after I go on a murderous rampage will read:

"I did it because people can't understand the difference between weather and global climate change."

Go for it. Like I said yesterday, anyone who thinks that "global warming" means it will never get cold again, or "global cooling" means it will never get hot again, deserves to die being massacred by a Farker in an insane killing frenzy, and nobody will miss them.

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER:A friend and I climbed it about 18 years ago, in April. We went up Military Pass on the north side, on snowmobiles to 8,000 feet, then hiked to the treeline for bivouac. Which side did you climb, and what time of year?

Snowmobiles to 8000 ft = awesome.

We did the Avalanche Gulch route in August. Overnight at Helen Lake, then crampons and ice axes up the snow field at about 3:00 am. The view at dawn from the Red Banks was unbelievable as the mountain cast an 80 mile long triangular shadow across the valley to the west. Glissade back down was pretty cool too.

If those numbers seem a little too hard to wrap your mind around, consider this:[snip]If the tallest living player in NBA history, Gheorghe Muresan, were to balance a life-size wax statue of himself on his head, two feet of snow would bury the top of the statue.

By far, the most fun of all! My sister lives out A-12, in Lake Shastina. My mom owned a ranch outside of Grenada. I grew up in Yreka and Fort Jones. I miss it so much. I hope to be up there in the Spring.

skullkrusher:zarberg: I love asking global climate change deniers what the first law of thermodynamics is and then watching them stand there with a dumb look on their face.

it's "Don't talk about thermodynamics".Duh

I was gonna say that, but it's still good advice. Especially when you're talkng to Creationists, Zero Energy Cranks and Global Warming Deniers. In fact, just don't talk about it unless you have a web link close to hand.

By far, the most fun of all! My sister lives out A-12, in Lake Shastina. My mom owned a ranch outside of Grenada. I grew up in Yreka and Fort Jones. I miss it so much. I hope to be up there in the Spring.

Wrathskellar:UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: Wrathskellar: Glissade back down was pretty cool too.

By far, the most fun of all! My sister lives out A-12, in Lake Shastina. My mom owned a ranch outside of Grenada. I grew up in Yreka and Fort Jones. I miss it so much. I hope to be up there in the Spring.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VckHIQjKLS8

I go for the outside pass a minute in.

That's an awesome video. The north side is steeper but a more direct climb. We went up to the right of the black finger that points to the summit in the picture from the article:

We took off our crampons at the top, and did a standing glissade. Like telemark skiing, taking 50-60 foot strides. I hit some glare ice, and almost reached terminal velocity as my ice axe was just skittering off the surface. If I hadn't had my wrist loop on, I'd have slid 2,000 feet without stopping. Scared the hell out of me. We got back to the treeline, and the tent was GONE! High winds had carried it about 500 yards from where we'd bivvied. We found it just as it was getting too dark to see.

Have you been up Mount Eddy? That's another good climb, and it's on the PCT.

"One Hundred Authors Against Einstein was published in 1931. When asked to comment on this denunciation of relativity by so many scientists, Einstein replied that to defeat relativity one did not need the word of 100 scientists, just one fact."

"One Hundred Authors Against Einstein was published in 1931. When asked to comment on this denunciation of relativity by so many scientists, Einstein replied that to defeat relativity one did not need the word of 100 scientists, just one fact."

Encyclopedia Britannica Source

This isn't to say that the current band of climatologists are as wrong as the euclidean physicists, just that the "consensus argument" is an appeal to authority and I reject it categorically.

Are you waiting for something specific to disprove the scientific consensus? Because a lot of the people who were skeptical of Einstein's Theory of Relativity were waiting for data from observations from a solar eclipse which occurred some years after the theory was introduced. The data observed from the eclipse proved Einstein correct, by the way.

"One Hundred Authors Against Einstein was published in 1931. When asked to comment on this denunciation of relativity by so many scientists, Einstein replied that to defeat relativity one did not need the word of 100 scientists, just one fact."

Encyclopedia Britannica Source

This isn't to say that the current band of climatologists are as wrong as the euclidean physicists, just that the "consensus argument" is an appeal to authority and I reject it categorically.

"There are other matters about which experts are not agreed. Even when the experts all agree, they may well be mistaken. Einstein's view as to the magnitude of the deflection of light by gravitation would have been rejected by all experts not many years ago, yet it proved to be right. Nevertheless the opinion of experts, when it is unanimous, must be accepted by non-experts as more likely to be right than the opposite opinion." - Bertrand Russell On the Value of Scepticism

"One Hundred Authors Against Einstein was published in 1931. When asked to comment on this denunciation of relativity by so many scientists, Einstein replied that to defeat relativity one did not need the word of 100 scientists, just one fact."

Encyclopedia Britannica Source

This isn't to say that the current band of climatologists are as wrong as the euclidean physicists, just that the "consensus argument" is an appeal to authority and I reject it categorically.

Are you waiting for something specific to disprove the scientific consensus? Because a lot of the people who were skeptical of Einstein's Theory of Relativity were waiting for data from observations from a solar eclipse which occurred some years after the theory was introduced. The data observed from the eclipse proved Einstein correct, by the way.

That eclipse was observed in 1919 but the book of 100 physicists I was referring to was published in 1931. Also, I read that solar eclipse data was very poor and shouldn't have been sufficient to prove general relativity. Odd, eh?

Also, Einstein has never been proven correct. His theories can explain phenomenon with a higher degree of precision than previous theories, but it's impossible to *prove* any theory.

Unfortunately the models used to predict global temperatures are not open-source even though they are government funded.

Did Einstein keep his theories and equations proprietary and expect physicists to trust him? Then why should climatologists be allowed to keep their models proprietary and secret?

Out of curiosity, has anyone ever heard of potential solutions to global warming climate change that does not involve increasing taxes? I never really understood how taxing producers more money will reduce change the global temperature. I don't mean to over simplify..

Out of curiosity, has anyone ever heard of potential solutions to global warming climate change that does not involve increasing taxes? I never really understood how taxing producers more money will reduce change the global temperature. I don't mean to over simplify..

/why don't you warmers just admit that you are lazy and stupid and resent that other people get to drive cars and you made up global warming to shame them out of jealousy?

Things are warming up because the earth is expanding and the sun is about turn enter into a warmer white phase from its yellow phase. And there's snow on this mountain from the Lemurian city inside it using interdimensional energy devices. Duh.

Out of curiosity, has anyone ever heard of potential solutions to global warming climate change that does not involve increasing taxes? I never really understood how taxing producers more money will reduce change the global temperature. I don't mean to over simplify..

Out of curiosity, has anyone ever heard of potential solutions to global warming climate change that does not involve increasing taxes? I never really understood how taxing producers more money will reduce change the global temperature. I don't mean to over simplify..

Looks like no leftie has the answer to that one.

I guess you've never heard of carbon credits.

And how does that stop global warming?

What, do you suppose, is the underlying cause of man-made global warming?

Out of curiosity, has anyone ever heard of potential solutions to global warming climate change that does not involve increasing taxes? I never really understood how taxing producers more money will reduce change the global temperature. I don't mean to over simplify..

Looks like no leftie has the answer to that one.

I guess you've never heard of carbon credits.

And how does that stop global warming?

What, do you suppose, is the underlying cause of man-made global warming?

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: A friend and I climbed it about 18 years ago, in April. We went up Military Pass on the north side, on snowmobiles to 8,000 feet, then hiked to the treeline for bivouac. Which side did you climb, and what time of year?

Snowmobiles to 8000 ft = awesome.

We did the Avalanche Gulch route in August. Overnight at Helen Lake, then crampons and ice axes up the snow field at about 3:00 am. The view at dawn from the Red Banks was unbelievable as the mountain cast an 80 mile long triangular shadow across the valley to the west. Glissade back down was pretty cool too.

I climbed a volcano called El Misti (19,200 ft.) in Peru. That picture is the shadow it cast at sunset shot from a bivi at 3500m. I know what you mean when you say unbelievable...the picture does not do it justice.

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: A friend and I climbed it about 18 years ago, in April. We went up Military Pass on the north side, on snowmobiles to 8,000 feet, then hiked to the treeline for bivouac. Which side did you climb, and what time of year?

Snowmobiles to 8000 ft = awesome.

We did the Avalanche Gulch route in August. Overnight at Helen Lake, then crampons and ice axes up the snow field at about 3:00 am. The view at dawn from the Red Banks was unbelievable as the mountain cast an 80 mile long triangular shadow across the valley to the west. Glissade back down was pretty cool too.

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I climbed a volcano called El Misti (19,200 ft.) in Peru. That picture is the shadow it cast at sunset shot from a bivi at 3500m. I know what you mean when you say unbelievable...the picture does not do it justice.

Out of curiosity, has anyone ever heard of potential solutions to global warming climate change that does not involve increasing taxes? I never really understood how taxing producers more money will reduce change the global temperature. I don't mean to over simplify..

Looks like no leftie has the answer to that one.

I guess you've never heard of carbon credits.

And how does that stop global warming?

What, do you suppose, is the underlying cause of man-made global warming?

Christians are at fault for everything of course. At least that is the consensus here on fark.

Please explain to me how making everything produced more expensive is going to stop global warming.

"One Hundred Authors Against Einstein was published in 1931. When asked to comment on this denunciation of relativity by so many scientists, Einstein replied that to defeat relativity one did not need the word of 100 scientists, just one fact."

Encyclopedia Britannica Source

This isn't to say that the current band of climatologists are as wrong as the euclidean physicists, just that the "consensus argument" is an appeal to authority and I reject it categorically.

Are you saying that you reject ACC because 97% of climatologists agree that it's occurring? If not, then why? What evidence has convinced you that the climatologists are wrong?

occamswrist:This isn't to say that the current band of climatologists are as wrong as the euclidean physicists, just that the "consensus argument" is an appeal to authority and I reject it categorically.

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: A friend and I climbed it about 18 years ago, in April. We went up Military Pass on the north side, on snowmobiles to 8,000 feet, then hiked to the treeline for bivouac. Which side did you climb, and what time of year?

Snowmobiles to 8000 ft = awesome.

We did the Avalanche Gulch route in August. Overnight at Helen Lake, then crampons and ice axes up the snow field at about 3:00 am. The view at dawn from the Red Banks was unbelievable as the mountain cast an 80 mile long triangular shadow across the valley to the west. Glissade back down was pretty cool too.

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I climbed a volcano called El Misti (19,200 ft.) in Peru. That picture is the shadow it cast at sunset shot from a bivi at 3500m. I know what you mean when you say unbelievable...the picture does not do it justice.

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER:Have you been up Mount Eddy? That's another good climb, and it's on the PCT.

I'll give Mt. Eddy a "+1, would climb again". Did Mt. Eddy a few years prior to Shasta, and was longing to get over there. When I eventually did, it was under a full moon. We climbed from Helen up to the Red Banks with T-shirts on (early August). Once we hit the top of the Banks, we threw on every item of clothing we owned; it was fiercely cold and windy. We hit the summit about one minute before sunrise; enough to get a gander of the mystical pyramid-shaped shadow and get the fark out of there. Cool in every sense.

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: A friend and I climbed it about 18 years ago, in April. We went up Military Pass on the north side, on snowmobiles to 8,000 feet, then hiked to the treeline for bivouac. Which side did you climb, and what time of year?

Snowmobiles to 8000 ft = awesome.

We did the Avalanche Gulch route in August. Overnight at Helen Lake, then crampons and ice axes up the snow field at about 3:00 am. The view at dawn from the Red Banks was unbelievable as the mountain cast an 80 mile long triangular shadow across the valley to the west. Glissade back down was pretty cool too.

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I climbed a volcano called El Misti (19,200 ft.) in Peru. That picture is the shadow it cast at sunset shot from a bivi at 3500m. I know what you mean when you say unbelievable...the picture does not do it justice.

That is....surreal.

Yeah, I don't wanna say it's aliens but...damn Earth is a really fascinating place. I wish I had the time and money to really get out and see it all.

kmmontandon:That's pretty standard for late-spring up at Lassen. Hell, early summer.

Excepting, of course, for the minor little fact that NOAA states that Baker receives more snowfall than Lassen, well, the highest average annual fall anywhere they measure, to be specific (701" average at the ski resort). (There's a reason the mentions of Lassen's precipitation amounts end with the qualifier "...south of the Three Sisters volcanoes.")

Oh, and there's also that whole world record snowfall thing (95 feet).

OH ITS WARMER THIS YEAR! ITS COOLER THIS YEAR! OH ITS GLOBAL WARMING, OH ITS ALL OUR FAULT.

There are so many different, unknown factors in large scale thermodynamics applied here. It's nearly impossible to prove or disprove global warming. I don't personally condone the extra CO2 added nor do I think its alright to pollute our environment, but it's egotistical at best to say we are the direct cause of such a temperature change.

This is the last time I will comment on this bs that people like to call global warming.

/follow the money, it leads to greedy scientist.//EPA is batshiat insane//freon is far less expensive then their expensive, eco friendly variations.

OH ITS WARMER THIS YEAR! ITS COOLER THIS YEAR! OH ITS GLOBAL WARMING, OH ITS ALL OUR FAULT.

There are so many different, unknown factors in large scale thermodynamics applied here. It's nearly impossible to prove or disprove global warming. I don't personally condone the extra CO2 added nor do I think its alright to pollute our environment, but it's egotistical at best to say we are the direct cause of such a temperature change.

This is the last time I will comment on this bs that people like to call global warming.

/follow the money, it leads to greedy scientist.//EPA is batshiat insane//freon is far less expensive then their expensive, eco friendly variations.

Confusing ozone depletion with climate change is a sure fire way to show you've really studied the issues at hand.

Christians are at fault for everything of course. At least that is the consensus here on fark.

Please explain to me how making everything produced more expensive is going to stop global warming.

And that would also be a "citation needed." Maybe you should ask say... The DuPont corporation. They saved something like $5B so far through conservation. (PDF from DuPont, pops)

It's a fun meme among the deniers who say "THOSE WARMISTS WANT US TO LIVE IN CAVES!" that really doesn't follow through in the real world.

Now can you list some of the less than mufti-billion companies that have forced to close because of brutal over regulation and taxation? Will you deny that there are none?

I don't believe that the mast majority of warmiists want us to live in caves, I believe that warmists have no problem with the use of punitive means to force conservation.

Then you'll have no problem coming up with examples to support your argument, rather than just making a bald assertion and telling others to do your research for you, right? Because you know what you're talking about?

For some strange reason I suspect you're just repeating talking points that you haven't thought through.

Yes and you can assume that scientists are completely altruistic, and have no motivation to secure the limited scientific research funding. After all humans are never motivated to make themselves and their jobs seems valuable.

"Well-well look. I already told you: I deal with the god damn customers so the engineers don't have to. I have people skills; I am good at dealing with people. Can't you understand that? What the hell is wrong with you people?"