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Saturday, October 12, 2013

You need to check this out. Dashcam video of an Oregon trooper shootout on the side of the road.

The guy was pulled over for whatever reason. He then started firing at
the trooper who fired back. They guy was hit in the chest. I believe
there is a moment in the video where you can see his clothes move so you
can tell it's the moment he was hit. Didn't knock him back or
anything. He was able to keep firing, then get back in his car. He was
hit so severely that he died 1/2 a mile away. Toxicology tests would
determine if he had anything in his system that allowed him to take the
hit.

This is a perfect example of not only choosing the right caliber but the
right load and bullet type. Would love to know what type of round the
police officer used. Whatever he had, it didn't have that much stopping
power.

Thanks for your email. The
pistol was a Glock in 40S&W, ammo used was some quality JHP with good stopping
power reputation.I’m more curious about
exactly where he got shot in the torso. That tends to matter more than the
caliber and brand of ammo.

This video has several important lessons:

1)The suspect was hit only
once in the chest with a 40 S&W (expect to miss in a gunfight… a lot) and even though he
was later found dead he clearly was still capable of both shooting back and
escaping.Guns aren’t death rays people.
Carry a powerful caliber that you can handle and shoot fast and accurately but fully expect to continue shooting until the threat
is stopped.

2)The officer did everything
he was supposed to. He saw the strange behavior, the hands behind his back, but
kept his cool until he saw that the suspect was armed. Wit and quick reaction
saved the officers life, even though he did get shot he’s in no danger,
probably thanks to body armor. Body Armor is a great thing to have when there's a chance of getting shot. Still something very much overlooked by most people.

3)Everything that can go
wrong will most likely go wrong in a gunfight. The suspect accidentally engages
the magazine release and drops the magazine of his weapon, something that may
have saved the officers life. Think about that next time you consider changing
your Glocks tiny mag release for an extended tacticool one you were told all
high speed low drag operators use!

11 comments:

Location, location, location - even more true for shot placement than for a store. A .25 will kill in the right spot, and a .44 won't do much in the wrong spot. If you want stopping power at short range, carry a 12-gauge shotgun. Of course, you are conspicuous and have to hold the shotgun in order to use it quickly, making it hard to do anything requiring two hands. That is why we have pistols.

I don't know about this particular officer's car but Ford's website indicates that Kevlar body armor is put in the Crown Vic Police Interceptor door.

One thing that is interesting is that the officers' car is straight behind the suspect's car. In Virginia, I've seen state troopers who have pulled someone over with their cars turned back toward the road so at to angle the police car and put the engine block between the officer and the suspect's car.

That , however, reduces the field of view of the dash cam.

Several years ago I saw a police dash cam of a stop in which a middle-aged officer was attacked and punched by a young suspect. The officer wrestled the suspect off to the right out of view of the dash cam while politely saying "Sir , please stop attacking me."

At which point you could hear some heavy thuds and yelps. The police officer then came back into view pulling a suspect who now looked dazed, staggering, considerably worse for wear and docile. heh hehMy guess is a black jack.

One incident isn't enough to determine a round's stopping power. The entire concept of "stopping power" is a falsehood. Numerous battlefield examples exist where soldiers shot with large caliber high velocity rifle rounds have continued to fight and survive. If a rifle round can't reliably stop someone why would you expect a pistol round to do so?Physics tells us that "knock back" or "knock down" is also a falsehood. A bullet powerful enough to knock down the target is powerful enough to knock down the shooter. Medicine tells us that gunshot wounds are rarely immediately incapacitating (note that I did not say "fatal") except in the case of a central nervous system hit. One study showed that over 80% of gunshot victims survive. As Fernando said, guns are not death rays. People acquire too much of their knowledge from TV and movies.

The round in the video could have been a squib. The perp could have been high as kite or it could simply have been adrenaline.

As a police officer, I've seen people die from .22, .25, .380, etc. I've seen them live from .44, .45. It's all about shot placement.

Additionally, outside of a CNS hit, adrenaline will keep you functioning even as your body is dying. That's why police officers are trained to shoot to stop the threat and not to stop once they are hit. Once the threat is over, then you can stop.

I have never shot a human, but I have shot a lot of deer and I can tell you that if you heart or lung shoot a deer it will run dead on it's feet for a long way, but if you will break some bone with your shot, shoulder, spine, neck, etc, they just fall on the spot and die. I would stop shooting when I see some positive results or run out of shells.

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