You can do the same in Liverpool with Saveaways! All bus operators, Merseyrail, National Rail and ferries! Last I used it, it was cheaper than an Arriva day rider too! Hopefully the Walrus will unify this even better.

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Bigger plot (6m x 20m) version.
The building is identical. The only differences are the lengthening of the back garden by 2m and the addition of a small front garden and driveway.

Smaller and cheaper three bedroom versions can be created by removing the attic level.

The idea is that external design can be varied for each cluster of streets to create some diversity and variance. My chosen style would be based on these Edwardian houses in Aigburth. Only difference is there would be a window in the roof for the master bedroom.

Looks fine to me. It should be appreciated that we, in this country, live in the smallest houses in Europe, on average. Most of us could do with a bit more space but that shouldn't be used as an excuse for poor planning, wasteful land use and dramatically lowering density.

And don't buy into this falsehood that we're so overcrowded. The Netherlands would be a better fit for the tag 'overcrowded' yet they manage to both keep higher densities in urban areas and somehow have larger and probably better quality homes, on average, than we do.

Pablo you are so despondant all the time. That new house you posted looks alright. You constantly describe things as being council houses when they are not, Is council house an insult in your vernacular? The Welsh streets is a no go wasteland at the moment. There are loads of areas in Liverpool with dense terraced streets, I live in one. They are not all being replaced. Of course Liverpool can be a vibrant European city without the Welsh Streets.

Sorry Dingle they do look like council houses and are not desirable to people who have a choice. They are ugly and devoid of any local context or character. You only have to see them in person to understand. They do not respect or work with or fit in to the grand dense houses of the area. As Pablo posted theses houses will not do anything to turn the area around and into a vibrant and positive and productive neighbourhood it should be.

These days the term 'council house', for most people, means housing for people who can't afford anything else. It didn't start out like that, but that's what is has become.

All the plans and renders for the Welsh Streets would fit into the category as being for people who can't afford anything else. They aren't going to pull in people who are able to choose, and therefore they will not improve the area in the longer term.

Which is a shame as the area has a lot going for it in terms of history and proximity to town / parks.

Whilst we are talking about plans, does anyone else keep having trouble with the planning explorer. After running a search, it constantly says that the results have expired, usually after browsing only 1/2 pages. This happens ALL the time for me, on different computers.

Anyone else get the same problem?

__________________TOTAL ESTIMATED VALUE OF REGENERATION PROJECTS ON SITE IN LIVERPOOL C.R. AS OF 7TH DECEMBER 2014: £2.94bn.

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Looks fine to me. It should be appreciated that we, in this country, live in the smallest houses in Europe, on average. Most of us could do with a bit more space but that shouldn't be used as an excuse for poor planning, wasteful land use and dramatically lowering density.

And don't buy into this falsehood that we're so overcrowded. The Netherlands would be a better fit for the tag 'overcrowded' yet they manage to both keep higher densities in urban areas and somehow have larger and probably better quality homes, on average, than we do.

but over here, in the basque country, most families live in 700-750 sq feet apartments: kitchen, 2 bathrooms if one is lucky enough, living room, two bedrooms...of course no garden, no patio,....as far as I know Uk homes are bigger, without any doubt

The Basque Country maybe but Spain taken as an average, you'll find UK homes are smaller. Of course, that doesn't mean everyone here has smaller homes than everyone there and there'll be someone living in a mansion in the UK compared to someone living in an old townhouse in the Basque Country.

Campaigners have hit out at new plans which would see ‘Pathfinder-style demolitions’ of hundreds of terraced homes in Liverpool’s Welsh Streets area

The £15 million scheme submitted by Arup and Triangle Architects for housing association Plus Dane will create 150 new homes and see a swathe of existing buildings flattened.

Most of the homes were emptied in 2005 as part of Labour’s controversial £2.2 billion Pathfinder housing renewal programme which was scrapped after billions of pounds of Housing Market Renewal Funding was pulled in 2010.

A year later, in November 2011, the coalition government’s housing Minister Grant Shapps told Parliament ‘the era of large scale demolition was over’. However Clem Cecil, director of SAVE Britain’s Heritage believes that with the potential loss of ten streets of homes this pledge has been abandoned.

She said: ‘Here we are, in 2013, in the teeth of a financial and housing crisis, with a top down, government funded scheme that continues clearance of hundreds of homes, using unlawfully allocated money, instead of allowing local firms and families the chance to step in and do them up.

‘After SAVE’s High Court victory, ministers cannot simply wash their hands of this case. Pathfinder-style demolitions have to stop.’

Jon Moorhouse of Liverpool-based architects Constructive Thinking who has come up with alternative plans to re-use the terraces said: ‘These houses are structurally reasonable. They have value.

‘Where this new scheme fails is that it doesn’t address the potential for sustainability when renovating an entire area.’

Jonathan Brown, director of Liverpool regeneration planning consultancy Share the City, said: ‘You have to question the actual and opportunity cost of this scheme. A 60 per cent drop in inner city density just repeats the errors of managed decline. £20 million has already been spent to acquire and empty most of the 490 properties. Now £15million is allocated for Plus Dane Group to rebuild just 150. So for its £35million the public has purchased a net loss of around 280 homes - with each new build soaking up over £230,000 all in.

‘That’s serious money to blow in a housing and financial crisis.’

The Welsh Street proposals for Plus Dane

Nick Johnson, formerly of Urban Splash which successfully reworked aging terraced houses in Salford, agreed: ‘My greatest worry is that the Victorian terrace, which has proved by many including Urban Splash to be so robust, versatile and popular, will be replaced by bland mediocrity that will erode distinction, identity and history in one fell swoop.

‘Surely this can’t be defined as ‘progress’ by anyone’s measure.’

Plus Dane insists that 37 terraced properties, including Ringo Starr’s birthplace on Madryn Street will be spared and refurbished – although not until the planning application is approved.

The housing association also claims it has the support of the local community for its plans which include some low rise bungalow type homes.

A spokeswoman said: ‘Following extensive consultation with local residents, the plans have received significant support from the community living in the area, with more than 70 per cent of residents in favour of the proposals.’

She added: ‘A full Environmental Impact Assessment has been carried out to examine the impact of the development plans for the Welsh Streets, which provides strong and robust evidence for the impacts the scheme will have for the area.’

There are some are houses just on the way to st Michael's station... Replacements of the terraces there...

I can't say how great I think they are... If anybody has pictures they should post them.

If you mean Dalmeny street you can see them on google maps if you zoom in. Street view shows what was ther before. An improvment in the main but they should not have knocked down the old shop building or whatever it was at the top of the road.
These houses have a car parking space inside them. Not a garage, a driveway thing where the living room should be. I just think that's going to far for the sake of a car. I don't like cars. I know they're pretty useful things but they have ruined everything in a few short decades.

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Jon Moorhouse, Jonathan Brown and Nick Johnson are my new heroes

£35 million to lose 280 homes, destroy tradition, history and social fabric, tear up communities and further the managed decline (excellent description - thanks Jonathan!) of inner Liverpool

liverpool has a historic opportunity ahead, the recover it`s inner city as an area for people to live, work and play. and it needs density. the city`s inner ring must be re populated, there must be a flow a natural path for people to walk, cycle or travel from the increasingly robust central area to the suburbs...no more doghnut effect!!...

liverpool has a historic opportunity ahead, the recover it`s inner city as an area for people to live, work and play. and it needs density. the city`s inner ring must be re populated, there must be a flow a natural path for people to walk, cycle or travel from the increasingly robust central area to the suburbs...no more doghnut effect!!...

regrads from ultra snowy basque country!!

Sadly it won't happen, too many fights the council has to win at any cost and at the detriment of the city and its people. The plus Dane houses are rubbish and council house looking, nothing pleasing or architecturally interesting or bold or new, just the same ole shit as normal = no new blood in the area.

Whilst peeved that this little ghostlike pocket is being left to rot, I've always hoped the old terraces could be retained and modernised. Remember the Georgian Quarter was threatened with demolition in the 80s? I'd hate to think the demolition of the Welsh Streets would be regretted in the future, these houses might be as architecturally important in 2050 as the Georgian properties are now! Once they're gone, they're gone forever, so all of these delays, however inconvenient and distressing might be a blessing...

Whilst peeved that this little ghostlike pocket is being left to rot, I've always hoped the old terraces could be retained and modernised. Remember the Georgian Quarter was threatened with demolition in the 80s? I'd hate to think the demolition of the Welsh Streets would be regretted in the future, these houses might be as architecturally important in 2050 as the Georgian properties are now! Once they're gone, they're gone forever, so all of these delays, however inconvenient and distressing might be a blessing...