I'm just going to use the $24k/yr at Vandy and the UPenn acceptance to see if they'll give me some money. That's worth a shot, right?

Yes I would definitely give that a shot JL. Nice to meet you at the accepted students event by the way, I was that blonde guy at your lunch table haha. Sounds like you're getting a good sense of what you want to do.

Oh, and yeah I gave them my seat deposit as well, so I look forward to seeing all of you in the fall!

nymets123 wrote:paid my seat deposit today for the evening division...unless i freak out and decide that the price tag is too scary to deal with then I'm Fordham bound!

Congrats, the more Mets fans entering this fall, the better!

<-- evening division mets fan

edit: god help us.

haha, I'm slightly optimistic...some of their injuries seem to be coming along better than expected. Reyes looks sharp.

On another note, im getting excited to live in/near the city soon. I took an hour bus in last night to see a bunch of dubstep producers (Flying Lotus, Nosaj Thing and Kode9) perform at Le Poisson Rouge in the village and having good music at my finger tips more often without a long bus ride will be cool.

On the plus side though, we'll be so consumed with starting law school that we may not have time to pay close attention to the inevitable late season collapse! (please god let us be close for even THAT long)

We should definitely have a TLS baseball outing to Citi Field once we're all in NYC.

Springsteen wrote:On the plus side though, we'll be so consumed with starting law school that we may not have time to pay close attention to the inevitable late season collapse! (please god let us be close for even THAT long)

We should definitely have a TLS baseball outing to Citi Field once we're all in NYC.

Springsteen wrote:On the plus side though, we'll be so consumed with starting law school that we may not have time to pay close attention to the inevitable late season collapse! (please god let us be close for even THAT long)

We should definitely have a TLS baseball outing to Citi Field once we're all in NYC.

Sounds good... Why not end the bar crawl at citi field?

And if Ollie Perez happens to be pitching that day, a bunch of drinks in is ideally how I'd like to show up.

I was admitted to Frdham FT. I was also admitted to Cardozo with full tuition. I am not questioning that Frdham is better. I went to cardozo to see the school at ASD, and I was impressed. Is it crazy to think that: 1. maybe the difference between Frdham and Cardozo isnt 200K. 2. If your going to do well in law school, then your going to do well irregardless of what school. Cardozo may not be at the level that Frdham is, but it is reputable enough to place will in the top 15-20% of the class.

Springsteen wrote:On the plus side though, we'll be so consumed with starting lawl skool that we may not have time to pay close attention to the inevitable late season collapse! (please god let us be close for even THAT long)

We should definitely have a lishi baseball outing to Citi Field once we're all in NYC.

Sounds good... Why not end the bar crawl at citi field?

And if Ollie Perez happens to be pitching that day, a bunch of drinks in is ideally how I'd like to show up.

sjedood wrote:I was admitted to Frdham FT. I was also admitted to Cardozo with full tuition. I am not questioning that Frdham is better. I went to cardozo to see the school at ASD, and I was impressed. Is it crazy to think that: 1. maybe the difference between Frdham and Cardozo isnt 200K. 2. If your going to do well in lawl skool, then your going to do well irregardless of what school. Cardozo may not be at the level that Frdham is, but it is reputable enough to place will in the top 15-20% of the class.

Your logic is making one very bold presumption. You say that if you are to do well in one law school, you would do well in any law school. Even if this statement is true, what if you aren't to "do well" in one law school, or any law school? What if you're going to be median in law school? While your logic is somewhat correct that you can place well in the top 15-20% of your class at Cardozo, attending with that knowledge is presuming you'll beat 80-85% of your classmates. What if you don't? At Fordham, if you don't, you'll still get a good job.

That being said, Cardozo with full tuition is a good deal and I would be very tempted myself. Just make sure you accept Cardozo with a clear line of thought if that's the route you take.

sjedood wrote:I was admitted to Frdham FT. I was also admitted to Cardozo with full tuition. I am not questioning that Frdham is better. I went to cardozo to see the school at ASD, and I was impressed. Is it crazy to think that: 1. maybe the difference between Frdham and Cardozo isnt 200K. 2. If your going to do well in lawl skool, then your going to do well irregardless of what school. Cardozo may not be at the level that Frdham is, but it is reputable enough to place will in the top 15-20% of the class.

Your logic is making one very bold presumption. You say that if you are to do well in one lawl skool, you would do well in any lawl skool. Even if this statement is true, what if you aren't to "do well" in one lawl skool, or any lawl skool? What if you're going to be median in lawl skool? While your logic is somewhat correct that you can place well in the top 15-20% of your class at Cardozo, attending with that knowledge is presuming you'll beat 80-85% of your classmates. What if you don't? At paradise, if you don't, you'll still get a good job.

That being said, Cardozo with full tuition is a good deal and I would be very tempted myself. Just make sure you accept Cardozo with a clear line of thought if that's the route you take.

That's good advice; consider the stipulations in the scholly. If you think it is realistic to say that you would be able to maintain such stature in your class, then consider it... Otherwise take the Fordham name and run, and be in enormous debt in a few years like me and a lot of the rest of us.

sjedood wrote:I was admitted to Frdham FT. I was also admitted to Cardozo with full tuition. I am not questioning that Frdham is better. I went to cardozo to see the school at ASD, and I was impressed. Is it crazy to think that: 1. maybe the difference between Frdham and Cardozo isnt 200K. 2. If your going to do well in lawl skool, then your going to do well irregardless of what school. Cardozo may not be at the level that Frdham is, but it is reputable enough to place will in the top 15-20% of the class.

Your logic is making one very bold presumption. You say that if you are to do well in one lawl skool, you would do well in any lawl skool. Even if this statement is true, what if you aren't to "do well" in one lawl skool, or any lawl skool? What if you're going to be median in lawl skool? While your logic is somewhat correct that you can place well in the top 15-20% of your class at Cardozo, attending with that knowledge is presuming you'll beat 80-85% of your classmates. What if you don't? At paradise, if you don't, you'll still get a good job.

That being said, Cardozo with full tuition is a good deal and I would be very tempted myself. Just make sure you accept Cardozo with a clear line of thought if that's the route you take.

I know fordhm places better then cardozo does, but I think it may be an overstatement to say that if you end up in the middle of the class you will have a good job. Even at Fordhm, especially in this job market, if you end in the middle of the class you arent guaranteed anything. That isnt to say that you may fare a little better then you would being in the middle at dozo, but you are definitely not set.

sjedood wrote:I was admitted to Frdham FT. I was also admitted to Cardozo with full tuition. I am not questioning that Frdham is better. I went to cardozo to see the school at ASD, and I was impressed. Is it crazy to think that: 1. maybe the difference between Frdham and Cardozo isnt 200K. 2. If your going to do well in lawl skool, then your going to do well irregardless of what school. Cardozo may not be at the level that Frdham is, but it is reputable enough to place will in the top 15-20% of the class.

Your logic is making one very bold presumption. You say that if you are to do well in one lawl skool, you would do well in any lawl skool. Even if this statement is true, what if you aren't to "do well" in one lawl skool, or any lawl skool? What if you're going to be median in lawl skool? While your logic is somewhat correct that you can place well in the top 15-20% of your class at Cardozo, attending with that knowledge is presuming you'll beat 80-85% of your classmates. What if you don't? At paradise, if you don't, you'll still get a good job.

That being said, Cardozo with full tuition is a good deal and I would be very tempted myself. Just make sure you accept Cardozo with a clear line of thought if that's the route you take.

I know fordhm places better then cardozo does, but I think it may be an overstatement to say that if you end up in the middle of the class you will have a good job. Even at Fordhm, especially in this job market, if you end in the middle of the class you arent guaranteed anything. That isnt to say that you may fare a little better then you would being in the middle at dozo, but you are definitely not set.

I beg to differ. [strike]c/o 2009, with a 93% report rate, placed 57% into firm jobs.[/strike] That's 53% of the class at firm jobs. A significant amount also are in clerkships and well regarded PI positions, though those exact stats are escaping me at the moment. I'd feel OK being anywhere in the top 60% at Fordham.

Edit: My facts were wrong. I underestimated them. With 93% reporting, over 70% were at firm jobs (roughly 65% of the class of 2009). ~95% reported salary information of those at firm jobs (roughly 62% of the class of 2009). Of those reporting over half of them were at firms of 101 lawyers or more. The median salary of any bracket Fordham broke down of over 101 lawyers was 160,000. So, one third of Fordham's c/o 2009 is earning a median salary of 160,000. Another one third is earning between median salaries of $63,000 to $160,000. I'd be surprised of Dozo came close to reported medians in this range. To add, the average salary of each broken down firm size Fordham reported was typically higher than the median, so there's no glaring evidence that the medians are being reported to hide anything.

sjedood wrote:I was admitted to Frdham FT. I was also admitted to Cardozo with full tuition. I am not questioning that Frdham is better. I went to cardozo to see the school at ASD, and I was impressed. Is it crazy to think that: 1. maybe the difference between Frdham and Cardozo isnt 200K. 2. If your going to do well in lawl skool, then your going to do well irregardless of what school. Cardozo may not be at the level that Frdham is, but it is reputable enough to place will in the top 15-20% of the class.

Your logic is making one very bold presumption. You say that if you are to do well in one lawl skool, you would do well in any lawl skool. Even if this statement is true, what if you aren't to "do well" in one lawl skool, or any lawl skool? What if you're going to be median in lawl skool? While your logic is somewhat correct that you can place well in the top 15-20% of your class at Cardozo, attending with that knowledge is presuming you'll beat 80-85% of your classmates. What if you don't? At paradise, if you don't, you'll still get a good job.

That being said, Cardozo with full tuition is a good deal and I would be very tempted myself. Just make sure you accept Cardozo with a clear line of thought if that's the route you take.

I know fordhm places better then cardozo does, but I think it may be an overstatement to say that if you end up in the middle of the class you will have a good job. Even at Fordhm, especially in this job market, if you end in the middle of the class you arent guaranteed anything. That isnt to say that you may fare a little better then you would being in the middle at dozo, but you are definitely not set.

I beg to differ. [strike]c/o 2009, with a 93% report rate, placed 57% into firm jobs.[/strike] That's 53% of the class at firm jobs. A significant amount also are in clerkships and well regarded PI positions, though those exact stats are escaping me at the moment. I'd feel OK being anywhere in the top 60% at Fordham.

Edit: My facts were wrong. I underestimated them. With 93% reporting, over 70% were at firm jobs (roughly 65% of the class of 2009). ~95% reported salary information of those at firm jobs (roughly 62% of the class of 2009). Of those reporting over half of them were at firms of 101 lawyers or more. The median salary of any bracket Fordham broke down of over 101 lawyers was 160,000. So, one third of Fordham's c/o 2009 is earning a median salary of 160,000. Another one third is earning between median salaries of $63,000 to $160,000. I'd be surprised of Dozo came close to reported medians in this range. To add, the average salary of each broken down firm size Fordham reported was typically higher than the median, so there's no glaring evidence that the medians are being reported to hide anything.

I did the exact same math and that pretty much convinced me to turn down the full ride no strings at Cardozo to go very into debt at Fordham. Now if only I could negotiate their scholarship up a little bit before deposit and I'm sold.

kaydish21 wrote:I did the exact same math and that pretty much convinced me to turn down the full ride no strings at Cardozo to go very into debt at Fordham. Now if only I could negotiate their scholarship up a little bit before deposit and I'm sold.

good luck with this. fordham is stingy. NYC is a great market and they know it.. and they know they don't have to give people as much money to come to their school.

i was given a "prestigious" (according to my letter) 7500/yr award from them. From the way the communication was worded, I should feel very lucky that I got that.