If he's willing to be a Medicinal Marijuana/Legalize Marijuana martyr or freedom fighter or legal test case, then maybe not so dumb. There have to be some Firsts willing to 'take one for the team' when it comes to Rights. The more they fight (and eventually successfully present) their cases, the more it helps out everyone else in the long run.

ExperianScaresCthulhu:If he's willing to be a Medicinal Marijuana/Legalize Marijuana martyr or freedom fighter or legal test case, then maybe not so dumb. There have to be some Firsts willing to 'take one for the team' when it comes to Rights. The more they fight (and eventually successfully present) their cases, the more it helps out everyone else in the long run.

Yup.

Beats the hell out of the standard biatching about it on the internet but still hiding from cops.

"In a video dated 10/26/12, you can see Berry's face reflecting off the wall as he explains the feeding schedule and chemicals he uses," Murphy said in the affidavit. "Using that video, I have identified Berry by comparing the license photo and jail booking photo I recently received."

ExperianScaresCthulhu:If he's willing to be a Medicinal Marijuana/Legalize Marijuana martyr or freedom fighter or legal test case, then maybe not so dumb. There have to be some Firsts willing to 'take one for the team' when it comes to Rights. The more they fight (and eventually successfully present) their cases, the more it helps out everyone else in the long run.

Pretty much. I feel bad for the guy. Also, it never fails to boggle the mind that marijuana growing gets charged as "manufacture of a controlled substance". Do gardeners manufacture roses and daisies? Same freaking process.

Genevieve Marie:Pretty much. I feel bad for the guy. Also, it never fails to boggle the mind that marijuana growing gets charged as "manufacture of a controlled substance". Do gardeners manufacture roses and daisies? Same freaking process.

ExperianScaresCthulhu:If he's willing to be a Medicinal Marijuana/Legalize Marijuana martyr or freedom fighter or legal test case, then maybe not so dumb. There have to be some Firsts willing to 'take one for the team' when it comes to Rights. The more they fight (and eventually successfully present) their cases, the more it helps out everyone else in the long run.

They still, however, will go to prison for a very long time.

I mean, yay them, but both Miranda and Gideon spent quite some time in prison before becoming those famous test cases that got us all the rights we cherish, you know?

Reminds me of the site overgrow that got closed by the police back in 2004, so many photos of peoples grow operations. I remember one guy from colorado I think, he had a friggen warehouse as his "grow room". I wonder if anyone ever got busted from that site.

BumpInTheNight:But the video also shows the package has Berry's name on it

Can we just drop the act and admit that the only reason pot is illegal is for the excuse to penalize the incredibly stupid?

I thought the only reason it was illegal now was that in the Reagan era they made drugs a huge "thing", that drugs are always bad and its a moral choice to avoid drugs. Carter was in favor of reduced drug laws, and if he'd been re-elected he was intending to push for marijuana legalization. The big tobacco makers were even making preparations and studies for getting into the cannabis business. Then Reagan was elected in a landslide, and hopes of marijuana legalization were pushed a generation down the road.

I mean it was originally banned because anti-marijuana propaganda pushed by William Randolph Hearst in his media empire, because hemp paper would have endangered his own paper mill operations, but now, it's pure "drugs are bad" moralizing.

Which is not to say all drugs are the same. Marijuana is about as bad as alcohol. Both makes you silly, makes you stupid, mildly addictive, can cause some health problems with heavy long term usage. There are far worse things out there.

I do wonder though, if marijuana were completely legalized, like alcohol, and you could walk into a licensed above-the-board shop and buy a pack of Marlboro Doobies or something like that (just don't get caught DWI), if use of other drugs would plummet, since people can get their highs completely legally now.

Combine that with banning for-profit prisons and we'd go a long way to fixing problems in this country.

ExperianScaresCthulhu:If he's willing to be a Medicinal Marijuana/Legalize Marijuana martyr or freedom fighter or legal test case, then maybe not so dumb. There have to be some Firsts willing to 'take one for the team' when it comes to Rights. The more they fight (and eventually successfully present) their cases, the more it helps out everyone else in the long run.

Being a marijuana martyr is just as dumb as posting his grow on YouTube. Growing that shiat is against the law. It may not be right, but that's a fact, Jack.

It isn't like this is some kind of test case. People have been getting prosecuted for growing pot for decades.

ladyfortuna:Fecal Conservative: ladyfortuna: Fecal Conservative: ladyfortuna: Why am I getting mouseover ads for 'arrest for' and 'the internet' from both the headline and a user's post? Is this the end of Fark?

You have some sort of spyware/virus?

/nothing like that here

I'm starting to think yes, since it just showed up on other sites and wasn't there last time I logged on this computer. CURSES... well, this is a new scourge. Must eradicate now.

good luck. We're all counting on you.

Heheh... I'm sure. Scans now, see you all on the other side.

Look for a coupon thingy downloaded as a browser extension with the from an update of Adobe reader. Found that shiat on a shared computer the other day. Same thing with the inline advertising BS.

untaken_name:Are they going to count the weight of his house in the indictment because it's a "container"?

Around here if someone is caught with pound cake with marijuana in it they'll charge them for having a pound of marijuana. I don't know whether cops are that ignorant, or if the prosecutors are that crooked making up bullshiat charges to put the defendant in debt fighting. Our beloved justice system is morally corrupt and intellectually dishonest at best.

Which brings up another question fark lawyers...some of you have no problem claiming to be a lawyer. Is it because you think you are "one of the good guys," or a sociopath? Do you start out being one of the good guys, and the industry slowly corrupts you till ou have no soul? I'm just asking questions.

basilbrush:Reminds me of the site overgrow that got closed by the police back in 2004, so many photos of peoples grow operations. I remember one guy from colorado I think, he had a friggen warehouse as his "grow room". I wonder if anyone ever got busted from that site.

RIP Overgrow :(

Do you recall the saga of the user "Bilbo"? His non-residential grow was raided. He posted pics of the raided place and then a couple posts on the run and then that was it. No sign he got busted from being on Overgrow, just reminiscing.

jjwars1:untaken_name: Are they going to count the weight of his house in the indictment because it's a "container"?

Around here if someone is caught with pound cake with marijuana in it they'll charge them for having a pound of marijuana. I don't know whether cops are that ignorant, or if the prosecutors are that crooked making up bullshiat charges to put the defendant in debt fighting. Our beloved justice system is morally corrupt and intellectually dishonest at best.

Which brings up another question fark lawyers...some of you have no problem claiming to be a lawyer. Is it because you think you are "one of the good guys," or a sociopath? Do you start out being one of the good guys, and the industry slowly corrupts you till ou have no soul? I'm just asking questions.

Not that I think this is a good way to go but I think there is no set handling of evidence procedure to quantify the cake other than weight. They could pay to have it tested and describe it as nanogram per kilogram like urine. But why hammer that all out when we can just legalize...

I think I'll claim expertise as an evidence technician or something, I pretended to be a lawyer last week.

Krieghund:ExperianScaresCthulhu: If he's willing to be a Medicinal Marijuana/Legalize Marijuana martyr or freedom fighter or legal test case, then maybe not so dumb. There have to be some Firsts willing to 'take one for the team' when it comes to Rights. The more they fight (and eventually successfully present) their cases, the more it helps out everyone else in the long run.

Being a marijuana martyr is just as dumb as posting his grow on YouTube. Growing that shiat is against the law. It may not be right, but that's a fact, Jack.

It isn't like this is some kind of test case. People have been getting prosecuted for growing pot for decades.

Silverstaff:I do wonder though, if marijuana were completely legalized, like alcohol, and you could walk into a licensed above-the-board shop and buy a pack of Marlboro Doobies or something like that (just don't get caught DWI), if use of other drugs would plummet, since people can get their highs completely legally now.

No... You can already get legal highs from alcohol and nicotine, not to mention caffeine and all the various prescription meds everyone seems to be on these days... But, just as a bottle of whisky isn't going to satisfy a pot smoker, a joint isn't going to satisfy a crack-head or meth addict, either... If it did, why wouldn't they all just smoke pot instead of using the other stuff anyway? It's not like it's so hard to get ahold of, despite its illegality... It's certainly no harder to get ahold of than the harder drugs they choose to use instead... Some people just want different types of highs, and/or are just addicted to a certain substance and nothing else will do...

RobSeace:Silverstaff: I do wonder though, if marijuana were completely legalized, like alcohol, and you could walk into a licensed above-the-board shop and buy a pack of Marlboro Doobies or something like that (just don't get caught DWI), if use of other drugs would plummet, since people can get their highs completely legally now.

No... You can already get legal highs from alcohol and nicotine, not to mention caffeine and all the various prescription meds everyone seems to be on these days... But, just as a bottle of whisky isn't going to satisfy a pot smoker, a joint isn't going to satisfy a crack-head or meth addict, either... If it did, why wouldn't they all just smoke pot instead of using the other stuff anyway? It's not like it's so hard to get ahold of, despite its illegality... It's certainly no harder to get ahold of than the harder drugs they choose to use instead... Some people just want different types of highs, and/or are just addicted to a certain substance and nothing else will do...

I'm going to disagree. There will always be people who want to push the envelope but if pot was legal and somewhat readily accessible the likely hood that the average smoker ever comes across somebody who has coke or meth or whatever for sale drops substantially.

relaxitsjustme:I'm going to disagree. There will always be people who want to push the envelope but if pot was legal and somewhat readily accessible the likely hood that the average smoker ever comes across somebody who has coke or meth or whatever for sale drops substantially.

This almost sounds like you're endorsing the old "gateway drug" myth, where pot users all end up getting hooked on harder drugs just because they end up around those sort of people? Personally, I suspect most people looking to smoke pot aren't going to be trying meth or heroin or whatever, just because their dealer happens to sell it... Rather, I think most of those customers of his are specifically seeking those harder drugs, and not just stumbling into the situation accidentally... They may have originally gotten hooked because an already hooked friend offered them some once, or something... But, I'm not sure that type of peer pressure situation would go away, since those still hooked on the harder stuff are going to continue seeking out those dealers and bringing the shiat around their friends, regardless of the legal availability of pot...

Again, if your theory were true, why do pot smokers still exist when alcohol is legal? When you answer that, that's also the answer to why meth and crack users will continue to exist after pot is legal... (And, if we were to legalize meth and crack, heroin users would still exist, and so on...) These people aren't just picking whatever drug they can most easily get their hands on... If they were, they'd all be perfectly legal drunkards!

RobSeace:Silverstaff: I do wonder though, if marijuana were completely legalized, like alcohol, and you could walk into a licensed above-the-board shop and buy a pack of Marlboro Doobies or something like that (just don't get caught DWI), if use of other drugs would plummet, since people can get their highs completely legally now.

No... You can already get legal highs from alcohol and nicotine, not to mention caffeine and all the various prescription meds everyone seems to be on these days... But, just as a bottle of whisky isn't going to satisfy a pot smoker, a joint isn't going to satisfy a crack-head or meth addict, either... If it did, why wouldn't they all just smoke pot instead of using the other stuff anyway? It's not like it's so hard to get ahold of, despite its illegality... It's certainly no harder to get ahold of than the harder drugs they choose to use instead... Some people just want different types of highs, and/or are just addicted to a certain substance and nothing else will do...

The prescription pill and meth epidemics can be directly traced to highly effective marijuana enforcement. The rural areas where the pill and meth epidemics are worst used to have cannabis as the local high of choice.

We did a really good job of driving the local dope growers out of business, or at least really cutting into their trade. So, the users went from marijuana to other highs, like opiate pills and meth.

Make cannabis legal, but regulated and taxed, and you'll cut deeply into the prescription pill abuse and meth epidemics.

Silverstaff:The prescription pill and meth epidemics can be directly traced to highly effective marijuana enforcement. The rural areas where the pill and meth epidemics are worst used to have cannabis as the local high of choice.

We did a really good job of driving the local dope growers out of business, or at least really cutting into their trade. So, the users went from marijuana to other highs, like opiate pills and meth.

Make cannabis legal, but regulated and taxed, and you'll cut deeply into the prescription pill abuse and meth epidemics.

There are places where it's easier to get access to meth than it is to marijuana?? Sure, they may have cut into big production, but the shiat is literally a weed, and they can't stop it growing everywhere... It seems hard to believe that there's any place where it's harder to obtain than stuff like meth...

Also, not that I have any experience, but I didn't think there was any comparison in the highs between the two... If these people are just looking to get farked up in any way they possibly can easily, why aren't they all huffing paint? Or, better yet, just getting shiatfaced drunk perfectly legally??