There are some differences between that LuPu and the Playdayz-managed LuPu 5.2.8-005. Richard or others at http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?t=90461 may have some tips.
I think I needed a driver or something for use with this Super Lupu 2 (or some such variant) , and found it in a Precise iso

dmesg gives me a long list of
Unknown symbol orinoco_down, _if-add, _up, etc (all with orinoco or hermes in them)
alternating w ith
disagrees about version of symbol orinoco_down......

Was the lupu kernel compiled without support for orinoco? It is one of only two non-cardbus wireless internet chips that I know of. It was also used internally in some older DELLs (I have two, circa 2001 just before mini-PCI cards got popular).

Is there a fix or should I use wary or Puppy 4 instead?
Or an external (cardbus) wireless ethernet card?

sheldonisaac

Posted: Tue 12 Aug 2014, 10:42 Post subject:
GRUB stuff

rcrsn51 wrote:

Around the time that Precise was being developed, the Kent Robotti Legacy GRUB became incompatible and quit working. It was retired in favour of a new tool called Legacy GRUB Config 2013.

It may be that when Lucid was upgraded, the Robotti GRUB broke again, but was never noticed.

The Lucid maintainers will need to look at this.

Hi, folks. Thanks for this recent discussion.

Although I have rerwin's Lucid Puppy 5.2.8.6 sulu-002 (with GRUB4DOS) on this approx year 2011 computer, I just installed Legacy GRUB Config 2013.
Starting it seems fine, though I didn't proceed with it; the existing GRUB4DOS is working OK.

Again, thanks to you all.

Sheldon

rcrsn51

Posted: Tue 12 Aug 2014, 09:55 Post subject:

Around the time that Precise was being developed, the Kent Robotti Legacy GRUB became incompatible and quit working. It was retired in favour of a new tool called Legacy GRUB Config 2013.

It may be that when Lucid was upgraded, the Robotti GRUB broke again, but was never noticed.

The Lucid maintainers will need to look at this.

hayden

Posted: Tue 12 Aug 2014, 09:36 Post subject:
GRUB

Sorry. I thought GRUB meant GRUB Legacy as found in every Puppy I have seen and GRUB4DOS was the other option. I used Ye Olde GRUB. Every previous version of that I have seen in Puppy creates menu.lst automatically.

I also thought the version was established by the title of this thread:

"Lucid Puppy 5.2.8 - Updated ISO Version 005 - APR 05 2012"

And I did indeed see mention of Kent Robboti;-)

In any case, I fixed my problem. How do I report the bug in the GRUB Legacy installer?

rcrsn51

Posted: Tue 12 Aug 2014, 08:48 Post subject:

You never identified which version of Lucid you installed or which GRUB tool you used. But I looked in Lupu 5.2.8.6 and it still has the original "Kent Robotti" Legacy GRUB. And every version of Grub4Dos that I have seen automatically adds a menu entry for Windows.

So I am confused by your reports.

hayden

Posted: Tue 12 Aug 2014, 08:41 Post subject:
workaround

I just copied the Windows section from the menu.lst in a working Puppy and all is well. However, whatever one thinks of the different GRUBs, is not popping up an irrelevant text file instead of adding Windows to menu.lst a bug? This seems like an instant deal killer to beginners who try to dual boot Puppy and lose Windows.

bigpup

Posted: Tue 12 Aug 2014, 03:16 Post subject:

The Universal installer is different, because of bug fixes and improvements that needed to be done.

Not Auto loading a boot loader was a needed fix, because Puppy has two options for a boot loader.
Grub
Grub4dos

You choose the one you want to install and use.

The version of Grub, that is in this version of Lucid Puppy, is an old version. A lot of bug fixing and tweaking, has been done to the Grub version that comes with Puppy, But this one has not had that.
It is a very hands on version.

The boot loader I would use is the other one.
Grub4dos

After doing the install.

Go to menu->system->Grub4dos Bootloader Config
Run this program and just select the default settings.
It should setup the menu.lst and give you a working boot menu.

This is becoming the only bootloader to use because it just works better and has very little problems.

I installed this to a hard drive. In the past the Universal Installer also installed GRUB and it automatically found all my Linux and Windows bootable partitions (and some non-bootable ones). This one makes me install GRUB more or less manually. When I click on the option to add a Windows or DOS partition it opens a text file that seems totally irrelevant and fails to add Windows to menu.lst.

Does the old Universal Installer still work? Where can I get it?

bigpup

Posted: Tue 29 Jul 2014, 16:54 Post subject:

This problem with downloaded pets seems to be caused by downloading with a browser like Firefox or others.

Something the browser is doing to the pet package file as part of the download process.

The pet packages seem to work OK if downloaded with the Puppy Package Manager or Wget.

mavrothal wrote:

If you use PPM (download only) or just "wget URL" or "curl -O URL" to download a package, works just fine.
However, if you download through Firefox (or Midori) the downloaded pet has different md5sum than the one you get with wget! So somehow downloading via the browser you get a corrupted pet.
More important the md5sum of the internal tarball of the pet is different than the one added to the pet file by dir2pet so pet2tgz catches that and bails out!
Confused

Bottom line, wget or curl your pets for now. (or use the download only option of PPM)

This is a posted fix for using Firefox browser to download.

SFR wrote:

In Firefox it can be fixed with:
1. about:config
2. Find network.http.accept-encoding string
3. And delete its gzip,deflate value

mavrothal

Posted: Sun 27 Jul 2014, 04:52 Post subject:

The Lucid repo was wiped and re-uploaded 2 weeks ago.
Do pets from ibiblio work for you?

hayden

Posted: Sat 26 Jul 2014, 10:01 Post subject:
NLLUG

Has anyone tried recently to use packages for this flavor of Puppy from NLLUG? They had been my favorite source of all kinds of things but the latest packages I downloaded from there failed to install. Because most of the computers I work with do not have an Internet connection, I burned the pets to a DVD. I wondered if they were not working because of that so I copied some to my home directory in Puppy in case they needed to create files or directories at the point of use. I also changed permissinns so everyone could write or run them. No success. Then I downloaded one directly to my home directory and that did not work either.

I searched the forum for NLLUG and this thread came up first and it is the version of Puppy I am using. Alas, it is 189 pages long! I read back to 2013 and found only a vague reference to someone having trouble with pets from an unspecified source. I have been using Puppy since version 2 and have never had such a big problem with pets before.

bigpup

Posted: Wed 23 Jul 2014, 17:10 Post subject:

Quote:

I would also like to know if it is possible to install this to a usb completely, No Frugal?

Installing to a USB flash drive is the same as installing to a CD.
It makes a live Puppy USB.

Yes you can save to the USB.

Using Unetbootin is easiest way to install to USB if you do not want to do it with the Puppy programs from a running version of Puppy..

pcpunk

Posted: Tue 22 Jul 2014, 21:03 Post subject:

I would also like to know if it is possible to install this to a usb completely, No Frugal?

Puppy is not like Windows.
"We have a new version, so you need to throw away your computer and buy a new one".

The older versions of Puppy are needed by some peoples hardware, so they still get support.

Be more concerned with what works not that it is the latest and greatest.

Yes I remember this, unfortunately I was told that this is not supported anymore and to go to Fatdog64-600. I could not even use LuPu so deleted it omg to bad.

Yeah, I am not interested in the latest and greatest, just what works for sure. Can you advise me on what to install. I am just using this as a back-up OS and to play around with. Fatdog did not seem to suit me, and I had to choose where to save my changes every time I quit, I don't remember having to do this in LuPu right? I liked LuPu and would be happy going back if you think I should. I don't think I have my setup in signature: Windows XP64bit with 32bit Home Edition installed, 4GB RAM, Dual Boot XP-LM17MQ.

Or should I go with Precise puppy? If you have time I will follow your advice. I just want something simple and fun to play around with, something that will allow me to find support etc. I am guessing I could go to the new LuPu as my system seems to be pretty robust for an old laptop. Good stuff, thanks pcpunk