Friday, November 5, 2010

Of Trees and Plants and Basic Logic: Trees are plants but not all plants are trees. Likewise, "natural born Citizens" are "Citizens at Birth" but not all "Citizens at Birth" are "natural born Citizens"!

Citizen at Birth (CAB) does NOT identically equal Natural Born Citizen (NBC) at Birth.

While a natural born Citizen is obviously a Citizen at birth, not all Citizens at birth are natural born Citizens at birth. The two legal terms of art are not identical and are not equal. All "natural born Citizens" are Citizens at birth but not all Citizens at Birth are "natural born Citizens" at birth. If you cannot grasp that logic concept then try this analogy, "all trees are plants but not all plants are trees".

There are five types of Citizenship mentioned in the U.S. Constitution. All Citizens have equal rights as a member of the society but not all Citizens have the privilege and legal eligibility requirements to be the President and Commander in Chief of the Military under Article II of our Constitution, the fundamental law of our nation.There is absolutely nothing in that U.S. Statute, USC Title 8 Section 1401 that addresses "natural born Citizenship". The law addresses basic "Citizenship at Birth", i.e., who is a "Citizen by Birth", (which is needed under various situations and conditions of a child's birth spelled out in Section 1401) which requires such a man-made act of law to grant the Citizenship by an act of Congress, i.e., naturalized at birth by act of Congress. USC 1401 does not grant “natural born Citizenship" to anyone. Natural born Citizens do not need man-made laws to grant them Citizenship. The facts of nature of their birth do that. The legal term of art “natural born Citizen” is not even mentioned in that law. USC Title 8 Section 1401 only determines by law who is a “Citizen” or a “National” of the U.S. at birth, i.e., a basic "Citizen at birth", i.e., a person entitled to the rights and privileges of membership in the society of our nation under our Constitution, the supreme and fundamental law of our nation. The Section 1401 law is a naturalization law which grants citizenship by law, not by nature. The legal term of art “Citizen at birth” is not the same legally as the legal term of art “natural born Citizen”. Simply note that in one case we are talking about who is at least an ordinary, basic “Citizen” at birth with no adjectives in front of the word Citizen, and in the other case we have two very important adjectives placed in front of the word Citizen by the framers of the Constitution, i.e., “natural born” Citizen. Since that term was used in the Constitution only once in Article II for singular most powerful office in our new federal government, the framers intended that it have special meaning. And the source of that meaning is written down and well known by legal scholars. That specific type of citizenship and "legal term of art" natural born Citizen was codified by Vattel in his legal treatise "The Law of Nations and Principles of Natural Law", published in 1758, in which he said that ... a natural born citizen is a person born in the country to parents who are both citizens of the country. And this group or class of citizens are the most populous group of any nation. They do not need statutory law to be considered Citizens of the nation. Nature and the facts of their birth in the country to two Citizen parents granted that to them, not Congress.Most citizens of the USA are natural born citizens. Natural born Citizens of the USA are the three leaf clovers of the types of Citizens, not four leaf clovers. By the vast majority, most citizens of the USA were born in the USA to two parents who were citizens of the USA. And that is the pool of citizens that must be chosen from for the singular most powerful office in our nation, the President and Commander-in-Chief of our military. Simple citizenship at birth by being born in the USA without regard to the citizenship status of both your parents ... or by naturalization and swearing an oath to this country and renouncing all allegiances foreign kings, princes, and potentates later as an adult, is adequate for the offices of Senator, Representative, or a Governor of a state. But it is not sufficient to be the President under Article II, to Constitutional standards. Article II requires that the person to be eligible to be President must be a "natural born Citizen". And that means that person must be born in the USA ... AND ... both his parents must be citizens of the USA.Natural born citizenship status in a nation is granted by the facts of nature of your birth. No law or statute is necessary to grant it. The nations can make any law they wish to make a person a citizen at birth or later. But natural born citizenship can only be conveyed by nature by the facts at birth of the child. If you are born in the country of two citizen parents you are "naturally" ... a "natural born Citizen" … a citizen too … but a specific kind of citizen who is eligible to be the President and Commander-in-Chief of our military since the child when born has sole allegiance to this country and there is no claim on him/her by a foreign country or power as to their citizenship at birth by that country too. Natural born Citizens have unity of citizenship at birth. A natural born Citizen is NOT a dual citizen at birth. A natural born Citizen has no divided loyalty issues by his birth since the child was born in the country to two citizens of the country.See this chart showing the five types of citizenship mentioned in the U.S Constitution:http://www.scribd.com/doc/11737124/And "natural born Citizens" are not rare in the USA. The "natural born Citizens" are by far the most populous group in the nation. And it from this group, under Article II of our Constitution, we are to choose our President and Commander-in-Chief, the group with sole allegiance at birth to the USA and only the USA, not someone who has foreign and/or dual citizenship and divided loyalties at and by birth. And the reason for this is as important today as it was when the founders and framers added those additional words to the eligibility clause in Article II. And given the vast power of the military today, having a President and Commander in Chief of the military with sole allegiance at birth to only the USA is even more so.

Obama's father was not a citizen of the USA, nor was he an immigrant to the USA, nor was he even a permanent resident of the USA. Obama when born in 1961 was a British Subject via his British Subject father, per the British Nationality Act of 1948 which governed the status of children born to British Subjects. Obama thus was born with dual citizenship and dual allegiances and a foreign claim on his allegiance. Obama is not a natural born citizen of the USA and he is not eligible to be the President under Article II of our U.S. Constitution. He is a Usurper.

Of Trees and Plants and Basic Logic: Trees are plants but not all plants are trees. Likewise, "natural born Citizens" are "Citizens at Birth" but not all "Citizens at Birth" are "natural born Citizens"! Obama is NOT a "natural born Citizen" of the United States!

Obama supporters cite case law dicta declaring any native-born citizen to be a natural born citizen.

Justice Clark in Schneider v. Rusk, 377 US 163, 177 (1964), dissenting; stated only a native-born may become President, Art. II, § 1. Tell that to John McCain.

Myriads of case law identify English common law as the sole basis for our naturalization law, concluding every native-born child, even of an alien, is a natural born citizen. (Cf. English common law 'natural born subject,' specifically born of an alien denizen.)

Perhaps this is merely a symptom of the worship of English law by the legal scions of Eastern Ivy League education that has packed our highest courts of law.

However, if English (foreign) law was so relevant to Art 1, Sec 8 'uniform naturalization law,' why isn't the English law simply compiled into our first acts in 1790, 1795, or even 1855? (Note: The judiciary has no constitutional authority to alter, revise, or amend naturalization statute.)

Instead, look at the 1790 and 1795 Acts. In the first, a child was 'as a natural born citizen' if born overseas outside U.S. jurisdiction, as long as the father was a U.S. citizen.

Sounds more like Vattel than English law.

In fact, there is no statutory provision for 'citizenship at birth' of the native-born; the child inherited citizenship from the father, period. (See Vatell's 'Law of Nations,' §§ 212, 215, 220)

If the father was, for some reason, out of the equation, then the 1795 Act, Sec. 3, allowed for legislative exceptions and determinations (See 'The Case of Mr. Smith,' 22 May 1789).

As Cmdr. Kerchner points out, the 14th Amendment (and thus 8 USC 1401) defines these exceptions; however, note that the only citizen at birth not requiring dealienage by naturalization law is the child of two U.S. citizen parents.

Constitutional law scholars agree with the chief author of the 14th Amendment, Sen. John Bingham, that, “every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.”

Therefore, the 14th Amendment clause "under the jurisdiction thereof" denotes a child born without innate or inchoate FOREIGN allegiance from a birth parent.

Thirty-years of misconception and liberalization of the 14th Amendment has created a society taking 'native-birth' for granted as being the winning ticket for the prize, not privilege, of U.S. citizenship.

This is the false impression that allowed the son of a British subject, in fact a Muslim hater of the West, and a Marxist, to become President of the United States.

This is directly contrary to the intentions of the framers, specifically in writing Art. II's 'natural born citizen' clause.

The Obama presidency, the son of an foreigner/alien becoming president, sets dangerous precedent. Therefore, it MUST be addressed by the 112th Congress.

“every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.”

In the US, are US citizens the only persons who do not owe allegiance to a foreign sovereignty? What is the status of citizenship and allegiance of a resident exile from another country who has yet to become a US naturalized citizen? Can it be argued that an exile, who has renounced his foreign citizenship and allegiance, no longer owes allegiance to a foreign sovereignty? And if so, would his child, born in the US, be a natural born citizen?

I ask this question because of Marco Rubio. There is talk that he could run for President some day. Rubio was born in Florida to Cuban exile parents. If his parents were not yet naturalized by the time of Rubio's birth (and so far I have not been able to ascertain when they became US citizens) and they did not owe allegiance to Cuba, would Marco Rubio be a natural born citizen?

I have been trying to get the RNC in DC to realize that Bobbie Jindal is not eligible to the presidency. Both of Jindal's parents were on student visas, technically 'non-immigrants' according to 8 USC 1101. Jindal, like Obama, was born a foriegn national.

Rubio's parents, at least, were exiles from Cuba and, under U.S. law, lawful residents and under U.S. protection.

A question you might look into is if the Rubio's qualified under the 'dry feet' doctrine, that upon reaching U.S. soil undetected, they were immediately granted U.S. residency, if not citizen status.

Their intention to naturalize is an important distinction.

However, under the laws of the time of the framers, the Rubios were required to fulfill a statutory residency requirement, apply for naturalization . . . and . . . when naturalized, Marco Rubio THEN would become a citizen derivatively . . . not merely by being born on U.S. soil.

If the parents were naturalized prior to Marco's birth, Marco would be a natural born citizen.

Paralegalnm, thanks for the reply. I will check into that "dry feet" doctrine.

Of course, if Rubio's parents naturalized before Rubio's birth, then Marco Rubio would be a natural born citizen. There is even a US Supreme Court case (Perkins v. Elg, 1939) to back that up.

But the question still remains: If at the time of Rubio's birth, Rubio's parents did not owe allegiance to a foreign sovereignty, due to their having renounced their Cuban citizenship/allegiance upon becoming exiles in the US, and they were not yet US citizens, would Marco Rubio be a natural born citizen?

Per jus sanguinis, parents transmit their citizenship to their children. But what if the parents are not citizens of any country, such as might have been the case with Rubio's parents? If they transmitted no citizenship to Marco Rubio, would the US citizenship he received per jus soli be sufficient to qualify as a natural born citizen?

I am with you on Jindal. His parents were citizens of India at the time of his birth, and so Jindal is not a natural born citizen.

If the father bore a child in a foreign nation, and the child maintained the natural born citizenship status of the fathers nation, then Obama certainly is and was a natural born citizen of Kenya/Subject of the Crown, no matter where he was born. Then came womens rights. But if women and men have the same right to pass citizenship to thier children, no child born to 2 people of separate nationalism's could be considered a "natural" born citizen, its a conflict to presume that one child holds natural born citizenship qualifications for...2 nations.

Its not hard to see why Obama wants to evade facing the cold hard facts in a Court of Law. He still holds British Citizenship by right of inheritance from his father.

Although an exile from another sovereignty may not pay or wish to pay allegiance, the allegiance is still 'owed' until the debt is formally terminated, in the case of USA, such an exile must apply for citizenship, get accepted, swear an oath to USA relinquishing and denying any other allegiance & become naturalized, then their children born thereafter will be 'natural born Citizens' of USA.

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Texoma said...

I have an interesting question based upon what John Bingham said:

“every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen.”

In the US, are US citizens the only persons who do not owe allegiance to a foreign sovereignty? What is the status of citizenship and allegiance of a resident exile from another country who has yet to become a US naturalized citizen? Can it be argued that an exile, who has renounced his foreign citizenship and allegiance, no longer owes allegiance to a foreign sovereignty? And if so, would his child, born in the US, be a natural born citizen?

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