tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post6655083494109516796..comments2018-03-18T07:14:29.740-04:00Comments on Queers United: Open Forum: G0y's - New Identity or Shameful Gays?Queers Unitedhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comBlogger97125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-25280455110414563302011-03-09T01:39:28.608-05:002011-03-09T01:39:28.608-05:00I think that the g0y movement is for men who feel ...I think that the g0y movement is for men who feel and identify with what is said within the movement.<br /><br />I care nothing about politics or gay rights, I only want to meet a male partner who is like me, period.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-33818697236260783292010-09-26T12:10:43.938-04:002010-09-26T12:10:43.938-04:00I think this is kinda more shameful. but its also ...I think this is kinda more shameful. but its also a cry against stereotypes. They just take it wayyy to far. i consider myself more of a Paladin. I have same same attraction, but I also consider my life to be compatible with traditional society.But Im not going to criticize others for doing what&#39;s right for them.Ghosthttp://paladin.primalnation.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-53735250331531650372010-08-28T21:37:25.980-04:002010-08-28T21:37:25.980-04:00What do you think referring to yourself as being &...What do you think referring to yourself as being &quot;straight acting&quot; is then? =/Ryannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-34871905575152447442010-08-03T17:55:52.089-04:002010-08-03T17:55:52.089-04:00What the g0y movement is expressing, albeit poorly...What the g0y movement is expressing, albeit poorly, is that sexual activity between consenting is not an open free for all but occurs in, for lack of a better term, layers of intimacy. One might enjoy nakedness and manual sex to orgasm, but not want to engage in oral sex. One might desire oral sex but not want penile penetration. As a man who has experienced being penetrated by another male a limited number of times I can say that unless one is well prepared and desirous of its taking place IT IS PAINFUL. With sincere desire, a gentle partner, and proper preparation, on the other hand, it can be amazing. I can&#39;t imagine being with someone who isn&#39;t clean, even for mutual masturbation-YUCK!<br /><br />Is there degradation of men in male to male porn? Yes, there is, plenty of it. The mere absence of/abhorrence for anal penetration does not automatically bestow any degree of righteousness, humility, or worthiness on any self-identified g0y, or any of his sexual relationships. <br /><br />Why not simply refuse labels? What I choose to do with a particular partner, at a given moment is not the sum total of my identity, it is a momentary expression of it. If I voluntarily choose to give myself to someone though allowing him to enter me, willingly, then how is that degrading? I have degraded myself in the past by allowing someone to take me in a way I did not truly wish to be taken. THAT is sad, and it should never happen to anyone, man, or woman.<br /><br />The g0y movement is correct in stating that being a gay male is equated with engaging in anal penetration. That perception is false, and should be resisted, but dividing men who feel attraction for other men against each other is self-defeating, self-destructive, and self-loathing. Somewhere in the g0y movement, right now, are men who have experienced anal intercourse in a context of love, appreciation, warmth, and deep respect. Something they do as easily as exploring other ways of being sexually close? NO! But something they now must hide from their more &#39;enlightened&#39; g0y brethren. From Gay, to G0y, to WTF now?<br /><br />There are women who thought they loved only women who found love with a man, much to their surprise. There are men who have found love with a man, who otherwise are as straight as an arrow. <br /><br />I get what the g0y movement is saying: The public perception of what is gay is skewed to the most extreme, outre` sexually obsessed caricature imaginable. Sexuality can be defined only in the broadest most general terms, so let&#39;s all stop making definitions into chasmsRobertonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-3398075495229685922010-06-17T00:57:24.668-04:002010-06-17T00:57:24.668-04:00I&#39;m just learning about this &quot;G0Y&quot; m...I&#39;m just learning about this &quot;G0Y&quot; movement. When i first heard the term &quot;internalized homophobia&quot; i thought now there is an invented term. You know who you are, so why hate yourself?<br />Slowly,i accepted it as a somewhat legitimate term. But what i will never accept is the term &quot;straight acting&quot;. Now you can quote stonewall riots advanced the cause all you like, but there never can be a more prominent or completely out there production of an act than a hairy male in a wig and heels. Yes, not everybody is like this and maybe what is important exclusively to lesbians may not be to gay men, but we do love our labels! GLBIT (Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Inter-sexed, Transgendered) Wow, there is a lot there. Gay men and women are just Gay. Why shouldn&#39;t there be unity among Gay men and women without using the separatist term &quot;lesbian&quot;? To lesbian women have a need to be separate from their Gay brothers? Is that internalized sexism within the rank and file? Why not label bisexuals as freakishly wandering straights who can&#39;t get enough in their own camp and venture into the Gay one? As for inter-sexed and transgendered, well...i just don&#39;t have a clue as to how they fit in any camp other than their own. My point, we love labels, but that does nothing to embrace unity of all these different and sometimes vastly different sexual minorities. You can&#39;t possibly cover every preference under every color of the so-called rainbow flag. Feather boas and high heels can march wherever they want, but when you chant that we are normal just like everyone else, then ask yourselves this question. Would you bank somewhere where the teller was wearing a ski mask? Presentation says a lot about who you are. Heels and wigs on males (NOT MEN) says treat me delicately and give me protection.<br />Women have the courts and our kids by a large majority (gender equality...lol, hardly!), but as if we as men need to be brought down further by those that assault masculinity as pseudo-effeminate is just down right moronic and disgusting. Thanks for delaying full equality for the rest of us until when? the 50th. Century? Same-sex attracted, but not detracted from my manhood! From In-America.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-69964639587380950582010-05-25T06:36:20.277-04:002010-05-25T06:36:20.277-04:00The link called &quot;NO APOLOGY&quot; on the g0ys...The link called &quot;NO APOLOGY&quot; on the g0ys . org main website says it all about WHY g0ys loathe certain aspects of the so-called &quot;gAy-male&quot; community. And the fact that they cite several &quot;gAy&quot; resources to make their points is brutally telling about the bile of the gAy community itself! As made evident in this thread above: GAYS got no game! It&#39;s just soooo obvious!Gimmel Yodhttp://g0ys.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-64173157925768243742009-12-03T18:25:26.687-05:002009-12-03T18:25:26.687-05:00What you guys fail to realize is that g0ys are not...What you guys fail to realize is that g0ys are not hating gays we just do not espouse the label for ourselves because we do not identify with gay. We are not hating you guys from thew inside of your community since we are not part of your community. You guys want to have anal that is fine but do not expect a g0y to be interested in you or you to be interested in him. You like fems then go for it but do not expect to attract a g0y and do not expect to be attracted to a g0y. Mainly g0ys identify with the term becasue we read the website and say wow that is how I feel. if you read the website and where turned off then you are not g0y be happy and revel in your gayness. If you read it and identified with us then welcome to our club. I think that is clear enough. Peace out dude.Randyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04580669054319987645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-7667778350559437522009-12-02T19:22:27.783-05:002009-12-02T19:22:27.783-05:00Because there isn&#39;t a cultish acceptance and d...Because there isn&#39;t a cultish acceptance and defense of anal practices, hyper-feminism, and gender bending in the gay community, right? Please.Ryan ReBoRnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01374163879885514864noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-10245413272287937282009-12-02T12:24:02.219-05:002009-12-02T12:24:02.219-05:00I think the issue with the g0ys is not that they d...I think the issue with the g0ys is not that they don&#39;t like anal, but that they express specific hatred twords those who do. Look at the language they use to describe anal, and tell me there isn&#39;t a bit of aggression and even some dehumanizing at work. This group has a very cultish and secretive nature. The obsession with masculinity seems somewhat disturbing in that it include some very strong judgments about those who do not conform. This group has some very troubling ideas that make it sound like a full blown hate group.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-32355306225243502682009-05-21T11:07:44.316-04:002009-05-21T11:07:44.316-04:00G0Ys = Guys who like guys but don't like anal.
Th...G0Ys = Guys who like guys but don't like anal.<br /><br />Thats it.<br /><br />Some might not like queens, but you can't say 'ALL' g0ys hate drag.. no it just means they dont DO drag<br /><br />- logiclogichttp://hateisboringandugly.com/smileforoncenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-22436448761255954162009-04-27T06:46:00.000-04:002009-04-27T06:46:00.000-04:00...and of course, Ryan...once again, they have no ......and of course, Ryan...once again, they have no answer. Or perhaps nobody heard the question:<br /><br />If most drag queens aren't gay (90%); why are they so religiously defended as gay?<br /><br />Why, when at "gay pride", can you expect to see drag queens, varying degrees of nudity, and acts that can only be construed as ***GENDER CONFUSION PORTRAYED AS GAY***?<br /><br />What excuse is there for attaching so much uncalled for stigma to having same-sex attractions?<br /><br /><br />PatrickPatrick93001http://www.g0ys.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-87289420462342099362009-01-30T21:33:00.000-05:002009-01-30T21:33:00.000-05:00Edit: Then *why* areEdit: Then *why* areRyan ReBoRnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13527437601596129625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-69250699080929848842009-01-30T21:32:00.000-05:002009-01-30T21:32:00.000-05:00If that is the case, Queer United, then are cross-...If that is the case, Queer United, then are cross-dressers or "drag queens" defended so religiously as gay? Why, when at "gay pride", can you expect to see drag queens, varying degrees of nudity, and acts that can only be construed as gender confusion portrayed as gay? <BR/><BR/>What excuse is there for attaching so much uncalled for stigma to having same-sex attractions?Ryan ReBoRnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13527437601596129625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-46466428085801058502009-01-30T19:08:00.000-05:002009-01-30T19:08:00.000-05:00Ryan crossdressing should not be considered gay, a...Ryan crossdressing should not be considered gay, as a matter of fact almost 90% of crossdressers identify as heterosexual. So as far as people who like the same-sex we have every kind of person on the planet represented among our kind.Queers Unitedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-266017030859365342009-01-30T01:56:00.000-05:002009-01-30T01:56:00.000-05:00What does diversity have to do with being attracte...What does diversity have to do with being attracted to the same sex? Why are specific behaviors like cross dressing and public lewdness considered "gay" attributes when they have nothing to do with sexual attraction?Ryan ReBoRnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-84779429926981794962009-01-29T20:57:00.000-05:002009-01-29T20:57:00.000-05:00I am just saying there are many elements in the co...I am just saying there are many elements in the community, some of whom run around naked publicly, and others who are very modest. We come in all flavors.Queers Unitedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-74132526437192162272009-01-29T19:45:00.000-05:002009-01-29T19:45:00.000-05:00Out of my entire post you found the anal sex...lol...Out of my entire post you found the anal sex...lol!SacGaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03106791178539322600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-62804712227543498282009-01-29T19:33:00.000-05:002009-01-29T19:33:00.000-05:00Gary - As in any community there is a diversity of...Gary - As in any community there is a diversity of preference. Some men like anal sex, some don't.Queers Unitedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-61139252462050545282009-01-29T19:25:00.000-05:002009-01-29T19:25:00.000-05:00I wonder if there are any others out there that fe...I wonder if there are any others out there that fell the way I do.<BR/><BR/>I have identified as Gay as long as I can remember, however I have never been effeminate. Anal sex is not my preference and in fact I have participated in it very little.<BR/><BR/>I do agree that we need to have some sort of unity.<BR/> <BR/>We are trying too gain respect from society and win our freedoms, but then we throw huge parades for &quot;Gay Pride&quot; where a bunch of lunatics prance around in various stages of public nakedness, playing with dildos and other sex objects and acting like imbeciles! <BR/><BR/>What kind of a message are we sending to society? No wonder we have been fighting for equality and losing.<BR/><BR/>On a different note, we have within our community prejudices against our own kind. When a Gay man turns 40 it is as if life is over. None of the younger guys want anything to do with us, we are practically shunned by our own community and if we attempt to strike up a relationship with a younger guy we are ignored, ridiculed and chastised.<BR/><BR/>There is a lot of work ahead of us and if we continue upon paths that alienate us from society &amp; from each other that task will be just that much more difficult and protracted.<BR/><BR/>Just my 2¢ worth.SacGaryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03106791178539322600noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-51261047520782027382009-01-27T13:31:00.000-05:002009-01-27T13:31:00.000-05:00Anonymous said... Coming from a Bi guy, I can t...Anonymous said...<BR/><BR/> Coming from a Bi guy, I can tell you that I am GLAD there is a movement of guys NOT interested in the Gay movement...I APPLAUD this new movement and hope it will become a bit more inclusive, or have a bi like group spin off....We're out there...Hoorah for progress!<BR/> December 29, 2008 12:26 AM<BR/><BR/><BR/>Hey Buddy,<BR/><BR/>G0ys does include guys like you. There are many g0ys who identify as Heterosexual and Bisexual as well as Homosexual. In fact, more of our more active g0ys identify in the first two groups. I don't know where you got the idea that g0ys focus primarily on gay men. In reality, more bisexual men come to our movement than any other demographic. You are certainly welcome. You full post of Dec 29, 2008 here indicates quite clearly that you 'get it'.Patrickhttp://www.g0ys.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-86551658388006879202009-01-27T13:14:00.000-05:002009-01-27T13:14:00.000-05:00Rob in Indianapolis said:...If we are to belittle ...Rob in Indianapolis said:<BR/><BR/>...If we are to belittle the first pride marches of the '60s and '70s because they were spectacles of flambouyancy and promiscuity, then should we tell all African Americans to do the same with civil rights marches of the '50s and '60s?...<BR/><BR/> July 31, 2008 9:30 AM<BR/><BR/><BR/>There were flamboyant and promiscuous protestors in the civil rights marches of the 50's and 60's?!<BR/><BR/>I must have missed that. All the African-Americans I saw marching looked fairly normal and commonplace...LOL.Patrickhttp://www.g0ys.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-18310396714480306052009-01-27T12:57:00.000-05:002009-01-27T12:57:00.000-05:00Mike said... Oh, wow - nothing new. This suppos...Mike said...<BR/><BR/> Oh, wow - nothing new. This supposed &quot;movement&quot; has reared it&#39;s head (pardon the pun) before and it&#39;s nothing more than a small group of self-hating, Republican queens who actually think they have to bend over (oops, sorry - pun again) to a sterotype to be homosexual. Whatever - what does one have to do to become a &quot;g0y&quot;? Close up shop? Does this mean that I also am not able to call a straight guy a &quot;bitch&quot; (as they so commonly do with each other)?<BR/><BR/> BTW, do these morons know that &quot;goy&quot; is also a commonly-used yiddish term to mean foreign or gentile? You would think that they&#39;d do a little research, first. What idiocy.<BR/> July 30, 2008 5:12 PM <BR/><BR/>No Mike, you&#39;re the idiot. Your post shows quite clearly you didn&#39;t do your research and homework. Men like you are precisely what g0ys don&#39;t identify with and distance themselves from.<BR/><BR/>As for the g0y/goy spellings and definitions, g0y, from the Hebrew, also means &quot;Nation&quot;, so, as a spinoff from that, g0ys is also a nation, a community of sorts. A new community, but still growing, still gaining popularity and NEVER going away.<BR/><BR/>From the g0y website, on the term &quot;g0y/goy&quot;:<BR/><BR/>Why &#39;G0Y&#39; -- spelled with a ZER0? What&#39;s up with that? Because the g0y movement was created as a departure from stereotype; -- A term was needed that had some meaning behind it, while being simple enough for people to remember; -- plus stir some curiosity. Because the movement also was designed to eviscerate abusive religion (primarily fundamentalism in it&#39;s many forms), the term needed to have foundations in Scripture as well (Because there are now &quot;gAy affirming churches&quot;, the term needed to confront sloppy theology that supports &quot;everything gAy&quot; -- including Anal). How was this all accomplished? Read on...<BR/><BR/>Ancient Hebrew, (the language the Torah &amp; rest of the Old Testament was written in), - is an amazing language. In its original written form, it has no vowels. They are inferred. If we were to adopt the same technique for English, the words:<BR/>gAy<BR/>gUy<BR/>gOy (In Hebrew, the term &quot;goy&quot; applies to a non-Hebrew person -- foreign national)<BR/>... would all be spelled: G Y; &amp; the reader would place the vowel upon speaking based on context. Well, since English is NOT Hebrew, people might not &quot;get it&quot;. However, something else also came to light ... and that was the fact that the Apostle Paul wrote that G0D chose the &quot;thing which is N0T&quot; to &quot;NULLIFY things which are&quot;. He basically explained that G0D used the power of a ZER0 to establish His new covenant by canceling out the written code that stood in opposition to us. This worked out well, because by inserting a &#39;0&#39; between the &#39;G_Y&#39;, - the &quot;A&quot; in &quot;GAY&quot; was essentially zeroed out (see ... N0 Anal) and the new term formed was 3 characters &amp; looks like it should be pronounced &quot;goy&quot; (a Hebrew term that rhymes with &quot;toy&quot; &amp; fits context perfectly) However, this new term is not really designed to be spoken, but rather EXPLAINED. So you see, this new term has some intellectual backing &amp; some rich history!Patrickhttp://www.g0ys.org/whosentyou.htmnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-69678632516688367502009-01-27T12:32:00.000-05:002009-01-27T12:32:00.000-05:00Queers United said... Ryan that sounds borderli...Queers United said...<BR/><BR/> Ryan that sounds borderline cult if you ask me. Why does a group have to be sanctioned by g0ys.org to be considered an official and legit g0y group?<BR/> July 27, 2008 8:21 AM<BR/><BR/>Because of the very reasons Ryan gave. Were you not reading? Anyone can create a group with the g0y name, but the name is not what makes the group. Believing in, supporting and promoting the basic foundational philosophies of g0ys.org is what makes a group or forum legitimate. By the way, the g0yfreespeech Yahoo group - a breakaway faction - and not endorsed by g0ys.org, which claims a more tolerant viewpoint is still languishing with only 33 members and no activity, while the official g0y groups keep growing daily. I guess there's not much demand for the g0y-lite approach. LOL.Patrickhttp://g0ystownusa.blogspot.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-69317779548109943322009-01-27T12:16:00.000-05:002009-01-27T12:16:00.000-05:00You just don't get it. Uninformed gays try to clas...You just don't get it. Uninformed gays try to classify g0ys as a subset of the gay community.NO! We're NOT gAy and queer. G0ys can be heterosexual, bisexual or homosexual. Those are sexual orientations. gAy and queer, in the modern definitions, are lifestyle choices. As g0ys don't identify with the many of the choices, sexual acts and expressions of fetish behaviors common to the gAy lifestyle - we are in NO way the same. Besides, the 'queer community', as you so offensively call yourself, is but a small fragment of the entire MALE population. 40% of men identify as totally hetero...they are likely not going to identify with g0ys; likewise, about 9-12% of men identify as gAy. The demographic that g0ys represent, are not within these two segments. We represent the 48-51% of the rest of the MALE population. This means some hetero and homosexual men might identify as g0y, as in the case of myself. I am homosexual, but I oppose the many behaviors and fetishes in the gAy lifestyle that many gays think is 'required' for inclusion in the club. No thanks. Also, there are many heterosexual men who identify with the camaraderie and brotherhood aspects of the g0y philosophy but have no interest in sex with men. They are most assuradely NOT gAy. You say the queer community is 'inclusive' but the truth of the matter is the 'queer' community - when speaking of individual tastes and preferences - is very 'EXclusive'. It's never verbally spoken, but actions speak louder than words. The amount of abuse certain groups and individuals within your 'inclusive' community suffer under the guise of 'you're not what I'm into' is rampant. The 'IN' crowd of your community looks down on many men, based on their age, nationality, skin color, social or financial status, education, "stats", or a myriad of other 'criteria' for social acceptance. What's even more offensive is you cloak these exclusions with the premise of 'what you're into'...lowering the entire focus to the physical and sexual level.<BR/><BR/>G0ys seek to distance themselves from the gAy lifestyle, and only approach the hetero, bi and homosexual communities to reach those individual who may agree with our philosophy. That is our primary demographic.Patrickhttp://www.g0ys.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3451574857665049482.post-39407314641710117232008-12-29T00:36:00.000-05:002008-12-29T00:36:00.000-05:00I don't see this as positive or inclusive at all. ...I don't see this as positive or inclusive at all. First off many gay men are not feminine, and many gay people do accept bisexual people. Also g0y obsession with anal sex seems bizarre to me, and many gay men don't have anal sex. The queer community is inclusive and whether g0ys like it or not they are gay and queer.Queers Unitedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074493276489593816noreply@blogger.com