You left of a few HUGE stats its called RUSHING and RUSHING TD's. RG3 642 yards and 6 TD's Luck 165 yds. 5 TD's. Also using QBR is bull crap that is a made up ESPN stat the NFL doesnt use QBR. The QB rating they use RG3 is 104.6 and Luck 77.2.....Using espn's QBR is like using a rating system I made up lol. I know you put both but QBR is dumb use just the real rating that is official.

He gave a nod to Griff's rushing success in the post. Seconding QBR being dumb, though.

He gave a nod to Griff's rushing success in the post. Seconding QBR being dumb, though.

I know he gave him a nod for rushing but felt he left the numbers off of the post because the yardage is so crooked. Bottom line is though both players are awesome and both teams are happy and there are troll/haters on both sides and unfortunately that will not change.

I know he gave him a nod for rushing but felt he left the numbers off of the post because the yardage is so crooked. Bottom line is though both players are awesome and both teams are happy and there are troll/haters on both sides and unfortunately that will not change.

Wait remember when we where talking about jello wrestling. Perhaps Andrew Luck and Robert can wear the under armor thongs while jello wrestling? Winner wins offensive roty honors. To pump them up before hand we can lock them in a room together so they can watch Magic Mike!

Vontae Davis is what happens when an unstoppable force meets and immovable object, then they have a kid!

If you want to count the Rams game where he drove them down for the game tying FG and then a penalty pushed them out of FG range, and then the next week the Bengals game he was heading down to tie the game until he came up on a 3rd and 45 due to penalties etc.

My point being - it takes a team to make a come back. Has Luck been clutch? Definitely - been very good there. But to say Griffin hasn't been clutch is just plain blind. He is just as critical to their success as Luck is here. Fortunately for luck, he has had more consistent and disciplined play from his teammates during those critical times. I can't think of how many touchdowns I've seen called back on them this year...2 on one drive against the Giants I remember seeing.

As for any rookie awards...its a coin flip. This argument could go back and forth forever.

at the moment griffen reminds me of rodgers hes mobile and doesn't make many mistakes plus he threw 4tds two weeks in a row that's very impressive even some veterans don't do that

Luck reminds me of eli manning mixed with big ben his stats aren't always the prettiest but he is good in the clutch infact this year luck and eli stats are similiar with eli throwing 12tds and 11 ints and and luck with 12 tds and 12 ints hopefully by years end luck puts some separation between his tds and ints

no it's true...it can be a very misleading stat. and i shouldn't have to explain why

All stats can be misleading, even the most basic ones. Passer rating is at least understood well enough for most people to be able to put the numbers into proper context. QBR is both subjective and opaque, so it's effectively impossible to put it into context without doing a whole lot of guess work.

I like Luck... And I hope he is great someday. I just get annoyed with all of the praise. I just don't get it.

I believe he gets the praise because everyone can see a bright future with the guy. They think to themselves look what this rookie has done for a 2-14 team, and he's only played in 10 games. And the same thing can be said for RG3.

I think both have been can be and will be great players. I try to be as objective as I can, and I completely understand both sides of this debate. But at the end of the day, I am a Colts fan, so my bias will skew to the Colts player, in a complete vaccum.

That being said, this race isn't in a vaccum. I think at this point in time Luck has done more with less and is performing better. I think he has taken a leaderless team, going through turmoil never seen before, and leading them to a miraculous season, after many considered them left for dead. To me that is more impressive than slight edge RG has in rushing/TDs/TOs.

And although it has zero credence in the RoY race, or really anything for that matter, I do believe Luck is the much better "value" seeing as how the Redskins gave up 3 1st Rd and 1 2nd Rd pick to acquire him. That is extraordinarily significant in regards to team management and building thru the draft, something the Colts will be able to do with Luck, but not something the Redskins can do with Griffin.

RG3 has had the help of a late rd rookie stud in Morris IE running game.
RG3 has a franchise LT and a Center in Montgomery who is looking very good.

Luck has a HOF wr that's been healthy all season as well as other young studs at both the WR and TE podsitions.
They have remained healthy for the most part, as well.
Luck is on a team that is just a season removed from having a yearly Playoff team and HOF QB. They have built a winning culture that has not known anything but success for over a decade.

Is Luck being ask to do more?
Like reads and pass attempts,etc.
That case can be argued....

But RG3 and Redskins can argue they are not only in a tougher Division, but a tougher Conference, as well as having a much tougher schedule.

Fact is...
Both QB's look very good in their young careers.

Both teams made the correct choices for their team in building a winner.

Both are fine. I feel like Griffin still has the training wheels on where Arians seems to be letting Luck do a lot more. RG3s stats remind me more of Alex Smith last year where Luck reminds me more of Eli(sort of).

They look so full already, I'm afraid they're going to explode if they eat anymore.....

hahaha....who knows? he got 91 posts of pure trash before getting banned....dude was giving skins fans a bad name - at least I assume he was a skins fan. Regardless of any point he was trying to make, just sounded like a *.

All stats can be misleading, even the most basic ones. Passer rating is at least understood well enough for most people to be able to put the numbers into proper context. QBR is both subjective and opaque, so it's effectively impossible to put it into context without doing a whole lot of guess work.

meh, i doubt most people know what goes into the passer rating. it's just been the standard forever and people don't like change.

The superhero movies are finally getting into the hands of Marvel who knows what to do with them. Spiderman should be much better going forward. As for Terminator, Robert Patrick is 100 times the actor Arnold is and T2 is considered pretty good as well.