Gun Rights: Are There Any Peaceful Solutions Left?

Throughout history, citizen disarmament generally leads to one of two inevitable outcomes: Government tyranny and genocide, or, revolution and civil war. Anti-gun statists would, of course, argue that countries like the UK and Australia have not suffered such a result. My response would be – just give them time. You may believe that gun control efforts are part and parcel of a totalitarian agenda (as they usually are), or, you may believe that gun registration and confiscation are a natural extension of the government’s concern for our “safety and well-being”. Either way, the temptation of power that comes after a populous is made defenseless is almost always too great for any political entity to dismiss. One way or another, for one reason or another, they WILL take advantage of the fact that the people have no leverage to determine their own cultural future beyond a twisted system of law and governance which is, in the end, easily corrupted.

The unawake and the unaware among us will also argue that revolution or extreme dissent against the establishment is not practical or necessary, because the government “is made of regular people like us, who can be elected or removed at any time”.

This is the way a Republic is supposed to function, yes. However, the system we have today has strayed far from the methods of a Free Republic and towards the machinations of a single party system. Our government does NOT represent the common American anymore. It has become a centralized and Sovietized monstrosity. A seething hydra with two poisonous heads; one Democrat in name, one Republican in name. Both heads feed the same bottomless stomach; the predatory and cannibalistic pit of socialized oligarchy.

On the Republican side, we are offered Neo-Con sharks like George W. Bush, John McCain, and Mitt Romney, who argue for “conservative” policies such as limited government interference and reduced spending, all while introducing legislation which does the exact opposite. The recent passage of the “Safe Act” in New York with extensive Republican support proves that Republicans cannot be counted on to defend true conservative values.

The Democrats get candidates like John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, and Barack Obama, who claim to be anti-war and against government abuse of civil liberties, and yet, these same “progressive and compassionate” politicians now froth at the mouth like rabid dogs sinking their teeth into the flesh of the citizenry, expanding on every tyrannical initiative the Republicans began, and are bombing more civilian targets in more foreign countries than anyone with a conscience should be able to bear.

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again; the government is not our buddy. It is not our ally or friend. It is not a “part of us”. It is now a separate and dangerous entity. A parasite feeding off the masses. It has become a clear threat to the freedoms of average Americans. It is time for the public to grow up, snap out of its childish delusions, and accept that there is no solace or justice to be found anymore in Washington D.C.

Once we understand this fact, a question then arises – What do we do about it? If we cannot redress our grievances through the election process because both parties favor the same authoritarian direction, and if our street protests are utterly ignored by the mainstream media and the establishment, and if civil suits do nothing but drag on for years with little to no benefit, then what is left for us? Is the way of the gun the only answer left for the American people at this crossroads?

I cannot deny that we are very close to such a conclusion. Anyone who does deny it is living in a candy coated fantasy land. However, there are still certain options that have not been exhausted, and we should utilize them if for no other reason than to maintain the moral high ground while the power elite continue to expose their own despotic innards.

State And County Nullification

The assertion of local authority in opposition to federal tyranny is already being applied across the country. Multiple states, counties, and municipalities are issuing declarations of defiance and passing legislation which nullifies any future federal incursions against 2nd Amendment protections. For instance, the Gilberton Borough Council in PA in conjunction with Police Chief Mark Kessler has recently adopted a resolution defending all 2nd Amendment rights within their municipal borders up to and including the denial of operations by federal officers:

Approximately 283 county Sheriffs and multiple police officers have taken a hard stand, stating that they will either not aid federal enforcement officials with gun control related activities, or, that they will not allow such activities within their county, period:

This trend of dissent amongst law enforcement officials debunks the nihilistic view promoted by disinformation agents that “no one in law enforcement will have the guts to stand up to the government no matter how sour it turns”. It has also shaken the Obama Administration enough that the White House is struggling to counter it by wining and dining police unions and sheriffs departments in order to form their own “coalition of the willing”. Obama seems to believe that holding press conferences using children or police as background props will somehow earn him political capital in the battle for gun rights, but I have my doubts:
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-asks-police-help-pass-183056466.html
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/politics/55716645-90/com-congress-doing-enforcement.html.csp

Multiple states have legislation on the table to nullify as well, and it would seem that the violent push by the establishment to extinguish the 2nd Amendment has actually sharply rekindled the public’s interest in States Rights and the 10th Amendment.

This does not mean, though, that we should rely on nullification alone. While the gun grabbers are stumbling into severe resistance at the national level, some representatives are attempting to supplant gun rights at the state level, including New York, California, Washington State, and Missouri. The goal here is obvious; counter states rights arguments by using anti-gun legislators to impose federal controls through the back door of state legislation.

They will claim that if we support states rights, then we have to abide by the decisions of regions like New York when they ban and confiscate firearms. It’s sad how gun grabbers lose track of reality. Neither federal authority, nor state authority, supplants the legal barriers of the Constitution itself, meaning, no federal or local authority has the right or power to remove our freedom of speech, our freedom of assembly, our freedom of privacy, OR our freedom to own firearms (including firearms of military utility). The Constitution and the Bill of Rights supersede all other legal and political entities (including treaties, as ruled by the Supreme Court). At least, that’s what the Founding Fathers intended when they established this nation. The point is, a state is well within its rights to defy the Federal Government if it is enacting unconstitutional abuses, and the people are well within their rights to defy a state when it does the same.
Economic Nullification

There is actually a fantastic economic opportunity to be had by states and counties that nullify gun control legislation. Many gun manufacturers and retail businesses are facing financial oblivion if the establishment has its way, and moving operations outside the U.S. is not necessarily practical for most of them (gun manufacturing is one of the last business models we still do better than the rest of the world). Municipalities could offer safe haven to these businesses, allowing them to continue producing firearms and high capacity magazines, fulfill expanding public demand, and create a surging cash flow into their area while at the same time giving the federal government the finger.

This strategy does not come without dangers, though. Many states and counties are addicted to federal funding, and some would go bankrupt without it. The obvious first response by the feds to protesting local governments will be to cut off the river of cash and starve them into subservience.

This brand if internal financial warfare can be countered by local governments by nullifying a few other unconstitutional regulations, including those issued by the EPA and the BLM. States and counties could easily disable federal land development restrictions and begin using resource development as a means to generate supplemental income. North Dakota is essentially doing this right now in the Bakken Oil Fields, becoming one of the few states in America that is actually creating legitimate high paying jobs (instead of part time wage slave jobs), and growing more prosperous every year.

This tactic is not limited to state governments either. Counties also have the ability, with the right officials involved, to regain control of their economic destinies anytime they want. All it takes is the courage to rock the establishment boat.
Refuse All Registration Schemes

National firearms registration and gun databases are almost always followed by full gun confiscation. The process is usually done in a standardized manner: First demand extensive registration and cataloging of gun owners. Second, ban more effective styles of weaponry, including semi-automatics and high capacity rifles (Let the sport hunters keep their bolt actions for a time, and lure them onto your side with the promise that they will get to keep their .270 or their 30-06). Then take all semi-auto handguns. Then, ban high powered magnum style bolt actions by labeling them “sniper rifles”. Then demand that the gun owners that still remain allow official “inspections” of their home by law enforcement to ensure that they are “storing their weapons properly”. Then, force them to move those weapons to a designated “warehouse or range”, locked away for any use other than recreational shooting. Then, when the public is thoroughly disconnected from their original right to bear arms, take everything that’s left.

Keep in mind that the federal government and certain state governments are acting as if they would like to skip ALL of the preliminary steps and go straight to full confiscation. I am not discounting that possibility. But, they may feign certain concessions in the near term in order to get the one thing they really want – full registration.

Registration must be the line in the sand for every single gun owner in this country, whether they own several semi-automatics, or one pump action shotgun. Once you give in to being registered, fingerprinted, photographed, and tracked wherever you decide to live like a convicted sexual predator, you have shown that you have no will or spirit. You have shown that you will submit to anything.

After a full registration has been enacted, every gun (and maybe every bullet) will be tracked. If confiscation is utilized, they know exactly what you have and what you should not have, and exactly where you are. Criminals will still acquire weapons illegally, as they always have. The only people who will suffer are law abiding citizens. It’s a recipe for dictatorship and nothing more.
Gun Barter Networks

The retail firearms and ammo markets are Sahara dry right now, and will probably remain that way in the foreseeable future. Anything that is available for purchase is usually twice the price it was last year. Extremely high demand is removing retail from the picture before any legislation is even passed. Enter barter…

Cash will remain a bargaining tool for as long as the dollar remains the world reserve currency and holds at least some semblance of value (this will end sooner than most people think). That said, as gun items become scarce, the allure of cash may be supplanted. The signs of this are already evident.

Gun owners are now looking more to trade firearms and accessories for OTHER firearms and accessories, because they know that once they sell an item, they may never see it again, and the usefulness of cash is fleeting. Gun Barter is not only a way for firearms enthusiasts to get what they need, it is also a way for them to move around any future gun sale restrictions that may arise. Private gun sales are legal in some states, but do not count on this to last. Barter leaves no paper trail, and thus, no traceable evidence of transaction. For those who fear this idea as “legally questionable”, all I can do is remind them that an unconstitutional law is no law at all. If it does not adhere to the guidelines of our founding principles, our founding documents, and our natural rights, then it is just a bunch of meaningless words on a meaningless piece of paper signed by a meaningless political puppet.

3D Printing And Home Manufacturing

3D Printing is now available to the public and for those with the money, I recommend they invest quickly. Unless the establishment wants to make the possession of these printers illegal, as well as shut down the internet, there will be no way to stop data streamers from supplying the software needed to make molds for every conceivable gun part, including high capacity mags. This technology has been effectively promoted by the Wiki Weapons Project:

According to current ATF law, the home manufacture of gun parts is not technically illegal, as long as they are not being produced for sale. But in a state or county where federal gun laws have been nullified, what the ATF says is irrelevant.

Home manufacturing of gun parts and ammo would be a highly lucrative business in such safe haven areas. And, the ability to build one’s own self defense platform is a vital skill in a sparse market environment. The ultimate freedom is being able to supply your own needs without having to ask for materials or permission from others. It should be the goal of every pro-gun activist to reach this independence.

Force The Establishment To Show Its True Colors

While some in the general public may be incensed by the trampling of our freedoms by government, many (including myself) would view direct action and aimless French Revolution-style violence as distasteful and disastrous. The moral high ground is all that any dissenting movement has. It will be hard enough to keep this ground with the constant demonization of liberty minded people that is being espoused by propaganda peddlers like the SPLC and numerous media outlets. We do not need to help them do their jobs.

Now, to be clear, I have NO illusions that the above strategies will defuse a confrontation between those who value freedom, and those who desire power. The hope is that enough people within our population will refuse to comply, and that this will make any future despotism impossible to construct. However, it is far more likely that these acts of defiance will elicit a brutal response from the government. And in a way, that is exactly what we want…

The Founding Fathers went through steps very similar to those I listed above and more to counter the tightening grip of the British Empire during the first American Revolution. The idea is simple:

Peacefully deny the corrupt system’s authority over your life by supplying your own needs and your own security, rather than lashing out blindly. Force them to show their true colors. Expose their dishonor and maliciousness. Make them come after you like the predators they are, and then, once they can no longer play the role of the “defending hero” in the eyes of the public, use your right to self defense to send them a message they won’t forget.

Skeptics will claim that physical defense is useless against a technologically advanced enemy. They will claim that we need a “majority” we do not have in order to prevail. These are usually people who have never fought for anything in their lives. They do not understand that the “odds” are unimportant. They mean nothing. No revolution for good ever begins with “majority support”. Each is fought by a minority of strong willed and aware individuals. When all other methods of protest have been dismantled, the system leaves us with only two options: stand and fight, or kneel and beg for mercy. All you need to know is what YOU would do when faced with that choice.

There is no other culture on earth that has the capacity, like Americans currently do, to defeat centralists, defend individual liberty, and end the pursuit of total global power in this lifetime. We are the first and last line. If freedom is undone here, it is undone everywhere for generations to come. This is our responsibility. This is our providence. There can be no complacency. There can be no compromise. There can be no fear. It ends on this ground. One way, or another…

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I think the government will use the collapse of the dollar as a way to get people to turn in their guns. Give up your guns and get food. Turn in your neighbors who have guns and get twice as much food. It’s coming.

They are intent on war, and they will eventually get it. Only this time around, unlike in all the wars of the past, the banksters are known to be the TRUE enemy of the people who will be fighting the war they start.

We now know that the root of the evil is their counterfeit operations around the world. It will be stopped, and can only be stopped through the enforcement of Law by the People.

That is the war we will be forced to fight.

This time around though, the banksters themselves, along with their families, will be targets of the knowledgeable and skilled freedom fighters who have tired of their fraud.

Those who buy the politicians today will buy the farm tomorrow… And they will not like the harvest of the evil sown.

The banksters want to force a different reason for the war on the people to deflect blame from themselves. But too many people know too much now for them to escape this time.

They are all in, and holding a pair of deuces while the People have a Royal Flush laid across the table for them to look at.

If the banksters are removed and disposed of quickly, along with their government minions, the war will end quickly.

It depends more on why the people THINK they are taking up arms than anything else. If the wrong target is chosen, the wrong outcome is possible.

Focus on the source of the problems. The stockholders, families, and associates of the central banks of the world.

Eliminating the source is the only way to eliminate the problem. While we would prefer peace, the enemy will not make that an option. For that, they will pay a price they can not imagine and no printed money will be accepted to pay it.

Those are sad truths, GC, but we have a duty to do our best to have fair trials.

Both God and history must smile on how we conduct ourselves.

AND many of the wicked ARE stepping down and have gone to ground. Unprecedented numbers of banksters, financiers, and bureaucrats, especially from the “intelligence community” ARE retiring in a hurry. You can imagine how many of them are trying to cover their tracks and re-write their personal and family histories.

The writing is on the wall.

Every last perpetrator, enabler, enforcer, puppet, mouthpiece, and talking head that ordered, abetted, or covered up these crimes against humanity must be found, prosecuted, and punished.

Most people are unaware of the reason for the War of 1812 and the burning of the White House…

After financing the war Britain lost to America, the Rothchild Family owned the Britain’s Army…which they used against America, when America refused to extend the charter of the 1st Federal Reserve which ended in 1811.

True—and that was not an isolated instance. Fleecing the goyim and instigating wars among the goyim and often funding both sides of the wars they start is indeed the “M.O.” (modus operandi) of the tribe, the tribal banksters and swindlers. They did it in medieval times and they do it still.

They always whine that they are innocent victims of “antisemitism,” but they deny the obvious cause-and-effect, their crimes against humanity causes what their victims think about them. THAT is the reason they have been expelled from hundreds of nations, principalities, and city-states, NOT because they are nice guys with funny hats and an accent.

All money , including the Dollar became worthless the moment it was not being backed by real and tangible materials of value . Most of the world has been skating along on a lie of a wink and hand shake that their currency has value .

“If the American people ever allow private banks
to control the issue of their money,
first by inflation and then by deflation,
the banks and corporations that will
grow up around them (around the banks),
will deprive the people of their property
until their children will wake up homeless
on the continent their fathers conquered.”
– Thomas Jefferson

But understand this: When the arrests start every lunatic gun nut arrested, will be an anti semitic , Jewish, Gestapo member, with known communist ties; He will have a record of being a child pornographer. in his spare time off from working (Cutting down old growth Redwoods); his hobbies are killing whales and harp seals. Oh did I forget he had an arsenal with thousands of rounds of ammo, suspected explosives and illegal drugs. Sound familiar? They lie, always; when its important they lie, they have even said so.

Just watched the video on U-Tube of the printed 30 rd Ar Mag and lower receiver, You need to see it. 275,000 hits so far. Guy says they have been sending out data for days, several hundred per hour, 20,000 over a weekend. Doing AK Mags next.

Brandon
Unfortunately registration goes beyond merely accounting for firearms. Registration is the beginning of truly categorizing persons. The words “Show me your papers” will soon follow. By submitting to registration you submit to tyranny. This is so much more than just guns, sure they want to pull out our teeth. But they really want to know everything about you so they can decide your worth to their society. Every nation that is overcome by tyranny begins by falling for the smoke spewed by a charismatic figurehead. Obama is leading the sheep to slaughter. He does not expect you to resist.

GC while I absolutely agree with you, there are many others who need to go with them.

Those who have been the recipients of all of this entitlement bs should be included…there will be little chance of returning these losers to any kind of productivity.

I am NOT talking about those on ss and medicare. These people have been the backbone of this society…they have worked their share, played by the rules, raised their families and now the govt doesn’t even have the balls to say, “hey we screwed you, now just go die.”

Everyone has the same opportunity on this earth. It is evil people that have taken this right fromm these people. Many since birth. Why? to control them and their productivity.

If one is using others against their will for survival, one is in very deep shit.

“””Those who have been the recipients of all of this entitlement bs should be included…there will be little chance of returning these losers to any kind of productivity.”””

They bought into empty promises of criminals. In the end, it is up to them to survive or not. It is not for me or you to decide. If they can do what it takes, then they will survive. Treason warrants a Death Sentence, being a victim of fraud does not.

Once the counterfeiting is stopped, the other guilty parties will have nowhere to hide and will be unable to pay anyone to do their bidding for them.

The victims will find out they have been victims, but that does not make them criminals.

What should happen is Anonymous should just locate all the information about all the bankers in this country, where they live and blast that information out over the Internet so that when their plan goes down, and they crash the country, they are the first stop anyone makes on the way to the bank.

The mafia liked to deal in whole families for a reason and it was very effective.

GOOD IDEA, RC
And I do believe you are close to the real crux of the
whole matter. It isn’t that “We The People” have to try
and defend ourselves and country against armies or the
banksters, the Fed, UN, NATO or TPTB. They are only the
entities that exist because 535 members of our Congress
allows them to. The Congress has all the powers given to
them by the Constitution to keep us safe and out of the clutches of those that would condemn us to tyranny.

Leaders who betray the people sometimes gain what they seek–more power/riches… Other times, they are executed. Leaders who are tempted to go down this slippery path may want to consider… My brother keeps repeating the phrase used during the French Revolutions, “off with their heads!”

“Missouri Democrat state Rep. Rory Ellinger has put forth H.B. 545, which would ban “assault weapons” and many semi-automatic pistols. It would give owners of said weapons 90 days to either turn them in or get them out of the state. …”

Seems like a tyrant who needs to be registered with the people….

It is only Santa who is “making a list and checking it twice, gonna find out who’s naughty and who’s nice”?

Once again the hypocrisy screams out. The politicians claim they want to stop gun violence, but just like New York, this proposal allows owners to send guns out of state. If they really want to stop gun violence why are they allowing guns to be shipped off somewhere else? Why are they exporting gun violence? Why are they having a hand in small arms trade between the citizens of different states? Why not confiscate them and “stop” the violence here and now?

The Missouri bill will NOT pass. They are a super small minority at best. Political posturing. PDs and LEOs across this state will not comply and neither will I or the majority of Missourians. We have one of the strongest castle doctrines in the country that also covers your vehicle. One of the strongest pro-gun states in the union besides the constitutional carry states. There would be blood before compliance.

True itll not likely pass but its the fact that they introduced this garbage,the fact they broke and violated their oath to both the state and federal constitutions and broke faith with the people…that makes them liars and traitors both reason enough to call them enemys of the people and have them removed by force from office if they refuse to step down…either way they need to be dealt with and prosecuted by the people they sold out!

What they are going to do is some how bring martial law into effect and with that (they think) they can take our guns during the period it is in place. Question is what are going to do to create martial law!

When neocons promise “conservative” policies such as limited government interference and reduced spending, the mean it—FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR CRONIES, that is. They just fail to mention that fact to the masses, whom they hope to con into believing they meant it for “them” too.

More than anything else, State and County nullifications help unite the citizenry towards a common cause. For the people that NEED to feel like their government is on their side, State and County nullification is the best way to get their help.

“no one in law enforcement will have the guts to stand up to the government no matter how sour it turns” — it’s hard for me to believe that a person who risks being shot at and/or attacked as part of their job, is gutless.

If the federal government tries to starve cash-strapped states, then it is up to THE PEOPLE of that state to do everything in their power to support their state, including taking on appropriate tax levies on property taxes in addition to nullifying burgeoning federal regulations. I would happily increase my financial support to my state while it is defending my rights against the federal government.

With the support of it’s people, the State CAN withstand the federal government.

Simply registering lawful guns does not stop bad people from abusing them. It does not assist law enforcement in solving gun crimes, because the criminals committing those crimes “neglected” to register their illegal firearms…go figure.

As far as private gun sales and bartering, I most fear federal agents getting into the mix. It would be a good method of taking private firearms out of the equation, if the feds pose as buyers, turning any private transaction into a de facto gun buy-back. I hear that this might already be happening on a small scale. Since there is no paper trail, no one would ever know.

I doubt this time around, the bankers will see it in their best interests to bank roll both sides of the conflict. We all need to be ready to finance ourselves.

If the federal govt were to try to “starve” states financially , state govt could have all businesses and individuals within the state withhold all federal taxes including income taxes. The state can then pay out S.S. and other necessities from that and keep the rest as a “fine”.

I think you are correct. Most municipalities and states can only exist on the Federal Dole. If DC pulls the credit card, the states/munies will back down. The Federal Reserve has all of us by the balls and is starting to squeeze. Perhaps when it all collapses, THEN there will be time for action, but it will come from the armed citizens willing to protect what is left of their lives, not legislation.

We cannot, under any circumstances, allow them to separate “hunting” out as a protected activity. If we do, they will ban everything beyond a single bolt action rifle. This is nothing more than a change in tact, and it will work, if they can get people to think their right is being protected by this bill. IT IS NOT.

The PTB really are trying to disarm us from protecting ourselves, aren’t they? It is obvious that the gun bans have nothing to do with saving lives….except the lives of TPTB, of course…

Brandon; I appreciate your ethereal and existential angst!! The problem is that the gubment is not a “coherent target”. There are many facets, some good, and some not so good. It is like the aftermath of a flood, where all things are mixed together in a morass of conflict, where no one thing is separate from the trash it is convoluted with. HOW DOES ONE RECONCILE THAT? Wow, wish I knew the answer! IF THIS WAS 1776 the answer WOULD BE EASY. It isn’t. And we don’t march on cities and do volley fire…just sayin’. How is it we “ASSEMBLE THE MASSES. It will require someone of the YOUNGER SET to do this. I don’t think, as much as I love my guns AND YOU WILL HAVE TO PRY THEM FORM MY COLD DEAD HANDS, it will be the kind of civil war we think of. It will have to be different. We can’t “MARCH ON WASHINGTON” as much as we would want to. We have to get young people interested in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. THEY WILL CARRY THE FLAG TO THE NEXT LEVEL. Now, having said that, they must have the ASSURETY OF ARMS AT LARGE to do so!!! Without that there is no hope!!! Just sayin’ for those that don’t think it is necessary, it IS. It will not be on the field of battle…it will be on the field of disobedience at the “geek” level (for lack of better phrasing). We have to hold the field of POSSESSION OF ARMS for our younger brethren. It will not be a “satisfying fight”. There will have to be MANY SACRIFICES MADE THAT WILL NOT SEEM LOGICAL There will not be a battlefield where we can SEE the ebb and flow of battle. It will be more esoteric than that, but that is where the battle will be fought…it will be ethereal and very disjointed. I hope we win. Be Well.

There aren’t any peaceful solutions. They want us (gun owners) to prove their case for removal of the 2nd amendment. Every shooting enhences their resolve to ban guns and the msm is happy to play up the shootings as long as it didn’t help someone.
At the same time, we (gun owners) know they only want to enslave us. Ice T said in an interview (he understands) that the 2nd amendment is to prevent tyranny. And every right they try to take away is tyranny.

DRD5508: It appears that they are indeed testing the waters. They want to know if it’s safe to take the ‘plunge’. During Obummer’s State of Disunion he held off on guns until the end. I was and LEO for 21 years and trained as an interrogator by the military. There was fear/hesitation in his voice. Remember the phrase he kept repeating? “These… deserve a vote”. Not that they’ll pass any legislation, but at least they’ll ‘vote’ on it. That was just a feel-good moment for those who can’t read between the lines. Did you notice that nasty peice of work Feinstein, she wasn’t smiling because that stinking dog-turd knows she can’t get much passed even in the Senate which the Democrats control. This doesn’t mean that they won’t keep trying by other means, it just means there’s little chance of any significant anti-gun legislation passing in this congress. But these will continue to be dangerous times.

Greg 8 you are not the only one to Notice That the Purple Lipped Jesus, waited until the end of all the Lies, to Drive home the Ant-Gun Chant..sort of “Don”t think of the Word”Elephant” These Marxist are Determined to Bring this Country Down, and Starting a CWII!! They Will Get what they Wish For!

Camerman: I fear that you may be right. They are foolish to believe they can ever. Asymetrical warefare will be the outcome. There are 314 M. people living here in 132 M. housing units. Depending upon whose estimates you believe, the are 39-55 M. gun owners and 25% of them have 4 or more guns. TPTB currently don’t have the votes ot the balls to have an outright gun-ban/gun-grab. They will continue to hack away in the most liberal states to see what they can get away with. The real danger will come in 2014. If the liberals get control of both houses of Congress, that’s when they will strike. Even then, they won’t have the manpower to conduct house to house searches. But these will continue to be dangerous times for a long while.

If my instincts are correct, I would bet that there are an awful lot of hard-core evil, but less prominent, Democrats who privately wish to heck that their most radical elements had never opened up this pandora’s box.

As a result, the D’s have painted themselves and their entire party into a very uncomfortable corner. And, as long as these rabid Communist gun grabbers at the top keep this issue on the top of the radar of American voters – I think we are going to see a lot of cockroaches with D’s next to their name on the ballot get fired.

I sense that this issue even cuts across party lines, as well as racial lines. I’ve been watching a few videos where white liberal TV reporters are venturing into dangerous, blood-soaked black neighborhoods in Chicago and Detroit and interviewing inner city blacks – and I’ve yet to hear any enthusiastic support for gun bans or gun control. I think most of these blacks are paranoid about being disarmed, and it’s because they are fully aware that their demographic group are responsible for the overwhelming majority of gun violence and so they see through the phony liberal act being put forward by White liberals who pretend to be concerned for the ‘safety of children’, because they know full well that those White liberals are really using that sugary sounding baloney as camouflage to conceal their real agenda – which blacks think is to disarm blacks.

This might be partially true, but I am convinced that the real target of White liberals and especially, Bolshevik jews like Feinstein, Schumer, Lautenberg, Bloomberg, Levin & both the ADL and SPLC – is the disarmament of law-abiding White European men.

These Bolsheviks are itching to repeat what their ancestors did after they seized control of Russia in 1917 – they want to murder another 66 million White European people, and as long as we are armed – those plans cannot proceed on a large scale.

So, as I said, there is wide spread paranoia – and most of it is healthy and well founded paranoia, about this latest Obama Gun Grab scheme. After all, it has been said that those who refuse to learn from history – are doomed to see history repeat itself.

The republican party is silently embracing the anti gun rhetoric that’s spewing forth by the left. It’s done more to fire up the the base then anything they could have done on their own. The RNC has no message, no beliefs, no vision, they’re a worthless piece of crap, back stabbing group of narrow minded, short sighted, out of touch di@@heads. Their silence and ineptitude to vigorously support the constitution speaks for itself. Their lip service is for photo ops only.

If for the private sector real employment in real jobs were to dramatically increased and paychecks were fat and the future held hope, then the government could get away with what ever it wanted. The rush to buy guns, bullets, bacon and bread would die off and the prepper movement would shrink.

We know that real jobs for the middle class and the blue collar worker isn’t coming back anytime soon, we know that paychecks will not get fat for the private sector worker, we know we are hungry for a nation that’s working for her people and that hunger is sharpening our senses, especially our vision.

We all know there is no peaceful solution. The Federal government wipes its ass with the Constitution every single day and fears no reprisals. This will all come to a head one day when the right spark is lit. They WANT civil unrest to really tighten the screws and install martial law. Keep your weapons clean and ready and get your heart and mind right with God. This will be the final battle of good vs. evil….I just wish Jesus was here to give us a hand…sigh…

Warface, Jesus will be there on the side of the right, He cleansed the temple of the “money changers” remember? The holy spirit will guide those that listen for it. I know some will not agree with me on this, but that is your given right!

To support the Constitution. NO ONE should watch ABC, CBS, CNN, NBC. You should watch them to find out their advertisers and then call said advertisers and tell them you will not buy their products or services if they keep paying the Anti-American stations.

The battle is for the mushie middle. The 20% liberals in this country aren’t going to change.

1. Limit magazine capacity to 15 rounds, (Magpul has indicated they may cease operations here and set up shop elsewhere).
2. Ban concealed carry on college campus, apparently they didn’t learn from Virginia Tech. Apparently they think our Constitutional rights end when we walk onto the campus supported by tax dollars.
3. Require universal background checks for all firearm transactions.
4. A tax on gun sales, to pay for the huge number of transactions currently taking place.

Call the Colorado capitol switchboard to let your opinion be known, 303-866-2904. The Democrats control the State House, Senate, and Governor’s seat. We are screwed. Hunters and anglers combined contribute approximately 1.2 Billion dollars to the state’s economy, and 21,000 jobs. Wanna guess what will happen to those numbers if these and other infringements are enacted?
NOMI

The more I think about this the more I have to say. Below is a link to the Governor’s Office. It has phone, fax, and an email link directly to the Governor. I am asking each of you to POLITELY contact the Governor and point out the numbers from my comment above. ALSO, you can mention that if these actions are taken you will not feel inclined to: hunt, fish, ski, or vacation in Colorado. Nor will you feel inclined to consume products produced in Colorado, etc.

NOMI, man this feels good to speak up. You folks in Missouri are under the gun as well. Give us the contact information and we’ll join you in opposing the efforts of Missouri Democrats. Branson will get the message.

Ann Coulter is right. Don’t fall for the “universal background checks” bit. It won’t just be getting a dealer to fill out a form.

Not just NOMI. Time to walk this thing back.This is the first time I have heard so many saying quite loudly “Come and take it”. If I was a LEO, I certianly wouldn’t want to be the tip of this spear. Feinswine & co want confiscation to happen, but want someone else to be the one bashing in doors.LEOs know the raids won’t be a one-time event that gets massive news coverage and portrays them as heroes. Sounds like the snobs who didn’t give a hoot about the “assault weapons” now realize that their expensive trap gun is no longer safe.

It would be wise to see that video on “Daily Crux” where this vet got his gun because his wife saw armed men outside… and suddenly the front door was kicked in. There were a bunch of guys, dressed in black from head to toe– all bullet proof gear–even face gear. and they fired 50 shots or more and killed the vet. They supposedly suspected him of selling marijuana.. yeah,right. It was an assassination–plain and simple! The point is, please be prepared. ; )

The Universe, How do you figure that? The entire world governments is based on mutual destruction. One gun facing another. People who point guns at others are more often than nought are being threatened. Are you not being threatened at this point? Pulling the trigger is not peacefull but it is the end result when there is no other option.

Have you not heard the expression “backed into a corner”?
Even a mouse will fight back if given no other option for survival. Are we as humans not allowed the same right?

Uh huhh – the govscum pointing guns at us, THE PEOPLE, sure is not peaceful, as they have been doing for their zion*ist masters for almost 100 years. Which is why we start killing ALL of them – THIS year. BANG BANG BANG X 120,000,000 OF US.

Or everyone can just move to Texas, possibly the last refuge of Freedom- although we might have to shoot a few illegals to keep it that way. But you can’t make an omelete without breaking a few eggs right?

Don’t worry about Texas. They love their freedom and their guns. I have family there and can say for sure Texas colors are not going to fade. Also Louisiana, my home, will welcome any freedom loving, 2nd Amendment, “Don’t Tread On Me”,”Not One More Inch”, patriot. We do have one senator feeding off the old “Blue Dog” democrats that are stuck in the 60s, but no State is perfect.

I noticed today on the lame stream media there were pro gun control marchers. All the activists were younger. All tptb have to do is stall for one more generation and the populace will welcome the jackboots with cheers and flowers. Now, they have to know this, so if there is a big attack on us old folk’s guns to push us into war then that will leave no doubt the people at the helm want a war. In 25 years the majority of people of this country will turn “gramps” guns over to the gov without a fight. If the players in power cant wait, then it is THEY that are at fault if things go hot.

You are right, except for one thing. The internet has allowed the masses of people to readily identify the real criminals and cause of the problems. The banksters and their worldwide counterfeiting ring.

They can no longer wait, and are now willing to risk the unintended consequences they will unleash upon themselves by their arrogance in starting before the people were ready.

Sigh. I’m trying. Most people just think you’re a nut. My mother was literally laughing at all the “rednecks” and their “stupidity” at buying up guns & ammo right now. Not to knock her, but she has always been a great indicator of popular sentiment. This will be an uphill battle.

yeah, my clueless daughter laughs too, Nottimothy. But little, by little she’s changing. Just so wrapped up in trivial news, what some actress is doing, just plain clueless. HOWEVER, I talk to people all the time who ARE AWARE!

Whenn all other methods of protest have been dismantled, the system leaves us with only two options: stand and fight, or kneel and beg for mercy. All you need to know is what YOU would do when faced with that choice.

As long as you act in The Protection of Your Family and Self any action you take is acceptable in The Eyes of God.

Baffled! Just read on FoxNews, why the Government is buying all the Ammo. Seems that ICE is buying 450 million round of.40cal, 40 million rounds of rifle ammo and 176,000 rounds of rifle ammo, on a separate contract, and 25,000 rounds of blank ammo. Not sure, but I think ICE has something to do with Immigration, and since we have no Illegals in the U.S. why would they need all that ammo. Maybe they could use the blanks to shoot into the air, and scare those pesky undocumented Mexicans from sneaking across the Border. But what’s the real ammo for? Trekker Out. Semper Paratus!

This is all part of the plan!!! Tie up the domestic supply were close. Do we not import ammo any more?. All the msm and media outlets refer to is the american manufacturing companies. I remember buying all kinds of ammo from foriegn countries.

Trekker; talked with some Border Patrol Agents who’ve told me they are going to be abolished and reclassed under another agency (possibly ICE). They are getting ready for a rift/layoff for down sizing purposes. They may even be under HSA.

The government is just trying to save us some money and give us all a tax rebate on the savings. Thats what Obamanure told the media to say. What…you don’t believe it? Time to lock and load my brothers and sisters!

As of late my call have been “Stern” but polite,
1st I remind them of their Oath.
2nd Read them the definition of tyranny.
3rd Remind them these are God Given Rights & Gov. can not take them away.
4th I tell them I am a Veteran with a “Life Time” Oath & obligation to defend the the Constitution against foreign and domestic enemies.
5th ask them to repeat the above so the staffer will deliver your message word for word.

Beyond that, just remember those who enforce UN Constitutional orders made they’re choices and you’ll have to make yours, have no regrets stand your ground & remember you are safer in numbers.

Are there any peaceful solutions left? This is entirely in the hands of the federal and state governments. If they decide to get in line with the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and stop treating patriots like The Enemy, and stop threatening us with bans and guns, and stop using us as their personal ATMs, and stop regulating every single aspect of our existences, then yes, there’s the peaceful solution.

But they won’t do these things. They’ll up the ante. They’ll monitor all of America’s citizens from above and below. They’ll indoctrinate all of America’s citizens from cradle to grave. They’ll kill off the elderly, the disabled, and anyone who they decide is against them. And they well know that they must move against us soon, before they bring the economy crashing to the ground for the elites to plunder our once-great nation.

We are the last thin line between liberty and tyranny, and they fear us, because they know that we know their intentions, they know that we see the evil within them, and they fear that, unlike others, we will bring guns to their gunfight.

The article lists Missouri as one of the States that are attempting to enact gun control. This is because two insane Representatives from St. Louis, where liberalism and welfare-ism thrive, have introduced legislation that has zero chance of passing in the Republican controlled House, and probably won’t even be assigned to a Committee as a way to insult the authors of this bill. Much more likely bills to pass are one to allow teachers and school personnel carry on campuses, and one to make it a crime to enforce any new federal gun legislation.

It is highly misleading to include pro-gun Missouri in the same sentence with anti-gun California or New York.

AMEN! Sid I’ve said this on several post. Lived in Missouri almost my entire life, and just as every other State, the big cities are always the down fall. Don’t wish anyone any harm, but when the Shumer Hits The Fan, that will be where most, if not all the chaos will be, and the most lives will be lost, percentage wise that is. So if possible get out of them. Love Missouri, but couldn’t stand the heat,literally, So I got out of the kitchen. Trekker Out. Semper Paratus

This is part of an email sent out today by my Missouri State Representative, Robert Ross:

In only the second day since filing, I have already received an overwhelming response from my constituents, asking me to oppose HB545, which is another anti-gun/rights related, 2nd Amendment infrigement;- although this proposal comes from within our state rather than from the Federal Government. To better understand my position on this bill and on this issue, allow me to quote Senator Nieves, who’s opinion I share:

“To all my 2nd Amendment supporting friends: Let me make this perfectly and abundantly clear… The Dems in BOTH the Missouri House & Senate have, and will likely continue, to file Anti-Gun Legislation. Here’s the Good News – I am the chairman of the committee in the senate to which ALL gun bills are sent!! ALL Gun Bills, good or bad, must go through me!! I assure you, I promise you, all these Anti-Gun Bills are dead, as in D E A D – Dead!! ALL – ALL – ALL the Anti-Gun Bills are DEAD!”

I couldn’t have put it better myself. I believe in a “ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY” relating to any infringements on our 2nd Amendment rights.

Better to be ALIVE for five minutes, and go down as a man, than to live forever as whatever you are. Besides If I have to play the game I intend to win.
FYI, where I live, City Hall is on my side. The Chief of Police is a good guy, we have had coffee together. A quote from him: “One third of the police I hire are really good men who want to serve the public, one third are fine people who are just doing a job, and one third of them want to carry a gun and tell people what to do. My job is to fire that third. Unfortunately they go to the big cities and get a job there.

Who said anything about storming city hall, you dumb stupid fuck. Thanks for the five minutes though you come storm my place, and I wont be as generous I give you 5 seconds. so go put the titty back in your mouth you little bitch and continue playing videos.

Stock up on everything folks before the dollar collapses. not just guns and ammo but food and anything else that will let you either ride a collapse or at least stretch it. Hard times are coming, its happening overseas. You’re just not hearing about it. Anything you might need for the next 6 months to a year pile up. You might not be able to afford the gas to go to the store to get it later. Get extra to barter with.

I heard that a line backed up about a mile on I-5 in California. One guy got out of his car to see why.
He was told that Reid, Hillary, Pelosi, and Obama had been kidnapped and if 1 million dollars wasn’t ready in 24 hours, they all would be burned at the stake.
So, the guy asked what most were donating…and was told most cars gave about a gallon.

Miss Daisy could take em easy in a fair fight….but we all know that wouldnt happen…andthe idea of any of those baboons naked to any degree is horrifying to the endth degree…all the American Patriots whosaw it would be struckblind and die of convulsions within minutes and they(TPTB) would win…naw lets not,lets just get rid of em 😉

Brandon, this is one of the best articles on guncontrol I’ve ever seen anywhere and there’s nothing in it I can dispute. I’m in favor of any and all peaceful remedies being tried first; nobody wants a war in this country over anything. I’m convinced there will be federal and/or state interference with peaceful remedies which in and of itself may light the fuse for a violent revolution. My biggest fear is TPTB will not allow a peaceful settlement of this issue and we’ll have no other choice but to go to war. We’re all being forced into a nightmare scenario none of us ever wanted. I made my decision back when Mt. Carmel was burned down by the FBI. I’m going to stand and fight. I won’t submit. Force your way into my home and you will die. NOMI CATIMF LFOD Braveheart

Excellent article. I usually don’t even read the article before commencing to write my shit so I can drool over my words of wisdom. The author of this article did a bang up job. Well done, Brandon Smith. Excellent article.

Your all talk bravefart, but when the taxman cometh, you will be the first to shit your pants, and then you will comply. I know your type hiding behind a computer talking smack all day cause the ole lady dont recognize you anymore. Look in the mirror and ask yourself to be a cooler calmer and collective person. As much shit that youve dissed over the past few months about who you are who you are married too,and for that matter her nationality probably without her consent, the preps almost down to the T. On a SUCK factor scale I rate you at a -3! Stop puttin your business in the street and rememmber……..ONLY let MF’ers know what U want them to know and not what they want to know. Your OPSEC and COMSEC sucks to the back of the moon Elvis!

apparently you assume everything everyone says on here is true. Maybe they were just trying to make a point? While I believe the regulars on this site are honest people, I don’t believe any are stupid.

I sincerely hope YOU remembered not to be too honest in your public posts.

Well said. A bunch of Walter Mitty’s gonna shoot, gonna run the world. All 20 people who post with different names and have conversations with themselves. By god I would….by god. Spending money they hardly have the ability to earn on porta potteys and guns. Gonna get the government. Gonna get the hippies, gonna get the commies. You will all be waiting a long fucking time for anyone to come get your guns. Bunch of social tards.

What really amazes me is that there are so many people on both sides who seem to be really ‘frothing-at-the-mouth’ with almost sexual anticipation of the coming tribulations that await our society. The hard times ahead aren’t going to be very much fun for anyone involved.

I’ve noticed this, too. Patrick Buchanan and a number of others from the old traditional conservative right, as well as several prominent egg-sucking-dog left wingers have observed that the vitriol and bombastic levels of anger, hostility and raw hatred that exists between the ‘Red’ states and the ‘Blue’ states hasn’t been this high since 1860.

We truly are two separate and totally incompatible nations of people. The lines are firmly drawn between the red and and the blue states, and we have one side who supports totalitarianism, socialism, class-envy and class-warfare, plus income redistributive policies, and pure Communism – and the other side supports strictly limited government, tons of individual liberty, self-reliance, freedom of association, preservation of our national sovereignty, and the right to be left alone. There are irreconcilable differences that neither side are willing to cede ground on.

We really do need to agree to a peaceful divorce from each other. Tragically, I have a sense that there will be no peaceful or blood-less solution – and, this is a sad thing to have to contemplate.

On the bright side, however, it will be enormously pleasurable to give these Communist liberal totalitarians a long overdue ‘lift’ to the Gates of Hell.

There’s a night time soap on netflix I’ve seen, called “Supernatural”. Now it’s only a shoot-em-up zombie vs cute guys show, but there is one shining overtone—in the series, two average guys waded through heaven and hell to stop the biblical Armageddon.

Average men beat the forces of evil against all odds. They mainly stood up against Satan (and his minions) alone, but not without assistance from other like-minded people along the way. Two average men were willing to die for what was right. They didn’t quit, no matter how dire the situation became.

In a world full of powerful, supernatural beings, they were “just men”, but men on a mission. I’d say that lesson and model applies here in the real world, right now.

300 million people in the U.S., at a 10% casualty rate during a Civil War, that’s 30 million dead or wounded, who can live with that?

War is fear so bad that you piss your pants, it smells like crap, puke, sweat, blood, and burned flesh. Some go into shock or lose their minds from it. Once you’ve been in one, you will never be the same.

I have been, I almost bled out from a small wound to my left arm from a piece of Viet Cong rocket fired at the Hospital I was assigned to. My year “in country” changed me forever.

It’s one thing to shoot a deer but much stranger to see what a 7.62 or 5.56, or .45 ACP round does to the big sack of blood/bones we call our bodies.

Try telling an 18 year old Marine that his manhood got blown into a nasty red pulp, or some soldier that his eyes were bar-b-q’ed because some fighter Pilot was having a bad day dropping napalm.

Yet, the evil of this world calls for The Brave to continue to stand tall and not give an inch to it.

Maybe this is stupid, but I keep asking myself, “What does Jesus want us to do?”.

“Then said he (Jesus) unto them, ‘But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.'”

Luke 22:36

Jesus wanted His disciples to be prepared to fight then. I see it as no different today, given the nature of the evil that we’re facing. We didn’t start this fight, but I think that God intends for us to finish it.

Brother, I agree. I have held too many kids hands as they died waiting for an ambulance or had parents who were staring down at their child on the street with grey brain matter coming out the side of their head and screaming at me to do something. But unless I am mistaken, the only time Jesus got violent in the Bible was with the money changers. Aren’t those just modern bankers? Don’t need to be Zionist bankers, any garden variety will do…..

“The time is now near at hand which must probably determine, whether Americans are to be, Freemen, or Slaves; whether they are to have any property they can call their own; whether their Houses, and Farms, are to be pillaged and destroyed, and they consigned to a State of Wretchedness from which no human efforts will probably deliver them. The fate of unborn Millions will now depend, under God, on the Courage and Conduct of this army-Our cruel and unrelenting Enemy leaves us no choice but a brave resistance, or the most abject submission; that is all we can expect-We have therefore to resolve to conquer or die.”
— George Washington to his troops before the Battle of Long Island.

Jesus wants us to live in Peace and get along, evil does not and there lies the conondrum. As long as we are on Earth we understand that Peace and Freedom must be protected at all costs. I believe that we are commanded to resist every day. I pray for a positive outcome , but prepare for what may befall us , evil thrives where good Men / Women shrink from their duty. God help us stay out of trouble. Thank you for your Service.

What would Jesus have us to do? Well, if you met my Chinese friend and heard what she said about living in communist China, you would have little doubts– if the Leader says “black is white” and you know in your heart its a lie, you still agree with him… no practicing religion; and whatever you do, NEVER say anything bad about him–even in the privacy of your own home– you could be killed for it! Their whole way of life is a lie.

TLA,
God bless ya sir, from one Vietnam vet to another you do understand the Elephant… eh?
Most of the youngsters, except the guys that have fought in the ME, are full of big talk, we shall see if their mouth is equal to their asses in a fight.

The fight is probably coming, I would love to see the vets just stand up and say ENOUGH. We fought for that constitution, many of these whiney assed politicians NEVER DID. But, we would have to fight all the gibsmedats in the Free Sh** Army.

What would Jesus do? He showed us. He STOOD FOR JUSTICE, when he overturned the tables of the money changers. That was his final battle, and the straw that broke the camels back with the ‘gubmint’. This battle has never ended… our battle has always been against the Money men and their lackeys in gubmint and the Temple.

If we stand for justice, don’t forget the money changers. If we fix the constitution, money must be distributed again. Like the old real bills doctrine only modified as notes so that bankers can never be, again. Let the money flow from the Temple of God, for good instead of evil, as the water of life should.

A sobering description of war, brother. I have a White male friend who loves to read books that describe war, combat, and associated matters that relate to the wars that our nation has been lied into fighting over the last several hundred years.

I have never been a huge fan of ‘war’, but as young man, I did enjoy watching movies about WW1 and WW2, as well as about the Revolutionary War and the War Between The States and there was a part of me which sort of admired the concept of strong men fighting for things that they believed in. These, as I discovered later in life, were nothing more than romanticized ideals that had been skillfully fed to me and to millions of other men by the demonic and conniving gang who owns and controls Hollywood. Your description of war and the ugliness of it, is far more accurate than any piece of propaganda that has ever come out of Hollywood.

In reality, nearly all of the ‘wars’ we have been involved in have been based on lies and fabricated pretenses, and they’ve always been orchestrated by the International Bankers as a means to create reasons for both sides in the war to borrow vast sums of money, upon which the Bankers can collect interest and get enormously wealthy – while the gullible and naive and easily snookered men (and sometimes women) are duped into sacrificing their lives or body parts in the senseless carnage that is sure to ensue.

In addition, prominent families here in America and around the Western world, families such as the despicable and contemptible Bush family – being the greedy, avaricious, sleazy opportunistic leeches that they are – have used wars that they personally helped to promote as vehicles which allow them to engage in war profiteering enterprises.

I’ve asked my White male friend why he is so fascinated with reading books that deal with war and combat, since I’ve explained to him what I’ve learned about the reasons for wars – but, he says his fascination is with how men react under those kinds of harsh and brutal conditions. I suppose this is an excusable reason to be interested in war, from a strictly scientific or analytical point of view – but, as you say – there is nothing whatsoever glamorous or glorious about war and the fewer of them we have, the better for us all.

Walked into a local pawn shop today and picked up 120 rnds of British production 7.62 NATO…headstamp RG, stands for Rayney Green Royal Ordinance and dated 1993. Should be good stuff, cost me .70 per round though.

No…there are no peaceful solutions. Registration always leads to confiscation which always leads to democide. 20th century history proves it out.

The best way is to remove this tyrant from office and every senator and legislator who follow his ideals.
You start with impeaching the President then vote the rest out and put in people that uphold our constitution and uphold our laws and imprison anyone who takes office and does the oposite. Swearing on the Holy Bible should still mean something and if they swear and then don’t do what they swear it should mean jail time and plenty of it.

Norse Prepper is a very wise person, whenever Joker In NC and cockroach finx posts something, COLLAPSE it with red thumbs and leave the troll alone. We don’t have much time left to waste our energy on pure trash.

JoeInNC: Your skewed and screwd view of the world is what is pathetic. I was in the military and in law enforcement. No sane person wants to shot another person nor get shot at. But during troubling times that’s what real men and women will do when they have to. I only had to pull my piece once to control two large perps. I was scared and angry but I got the situation under control. I didn’t want to but I had to, just like the many of the good folks here will do if the government keeps encroching upon our freedoms. The main difference between most of the folks here and you Joe is they are real men and women who can and will take care of themselves. People like you, on the other hand are what we call sheeple. Craven little cowards who are afraid of their own shadows. Cowards like you rely on folks like us to do the heavy lifting when things get ugly. I only hope that you don’t have any kids because the last thing this country needs is more whinny wimps like you. Have a great day; now you can go back and hide under the covers cupcake.

The bottom line is simply this,you do not comply with any thing that against the Constituition .If they think they are going to win this, they have another thing coming . Yes, I’m sure they want population control and by the time this is said and done and over with , Im sure millions will be dead especially the ones that enacted this crap with their BS Laws and Regulations .Spending your way to prosperity never works and neither does depending on Government for all of your needs .All governments collapse and fail in time and America is no different than other Nations when it comes to that prospect . Let them do their Tax, Make their illegal Wars, collapse the financial Sectors and create mass unemployment because they really want this . Hell Awaits !!!!!!!

Gods Creation, I have to agree. A 2nd American Revolution is the only thing that will save this country now. None of us want this fight but we have been challenged; we have been threatened with destruction. We must rise and meet that challenge. They have already thrown down the gauntlet. We must pick up that gauntlet and throw it back at them. There is no other choice now. Anyone who is given orders to kick in anyone’s doors for gun confiscation had better stop and think very carefully before doing anything. Their lives will depend on that. Following such orders will only get them killed. Come on, LEOs and military, this is your country too. your kids have to grow up in this land just like ours do. Do you really want your kids to grow up in a police state? there’s a lot of things for you to consider before you do anything. You have to live with the consequences of your actions. you have to be able to live with yourself. you have to be able to look at yourself face-to-face in a mirror and say, “I did the right thing”. If you have any conscience, any sense of humanity, any decency, then you’ll never follow such an insane order. If you’re a total psycopath and mindless robot, then you’ll at least try to carry out such an order and it will cost you. better check the price tag first and check your budget;make sure you can afford the merchandise. NOMI CATIMF LFOD Braveheart

what if they have bullet proof costumes– from head to bottom–like in that video where that vet was assassinated by a bunch of goons (U.S. miltitary/policeman)–(Daily Crux)? Maybe we need to have some hand grenades ready, or bullet proof gear too.

Police Chief Mark Kessler of the Gilberton Borough Police Department in Pennsylvania wants citizens to join with his police department in building a “reserve force” that will aid his police force should the need arise to resist Federal authorities when it comes to the Second Amendment.

Why can’t the same state legislators who are doing state laws and acts to Nulify anti 2nd fed crap, do the exact same method to Nulify anti const EPA-and several others?

What if these state reps etc RE-instate state citizen militias, perhaps under the county sherrifs or police chiefs etc, and ammass vast citizen militias to be used to form Protective “circles” of Armed resistance and overall protection to, Companies that will come into said states to drill oil, mine coal, build more refineries, mine gold/silver, raw steel resources, create more nat gas fired power plants etc etc etc?

And By state law mandate all such companies Must hire state citizens First, prior to any other outside workers brought in. ZERO illeagles mexican workers. And perhaps like Alaska, Must share a portion of state resource wealth and profits With all legit state citizens residents.(all these type plans Will nulify need for fed cash that so screws up 10th amendt/state rights etc as such will supply plenty of taxes/profits etc to avoid all forms fed cash etc).

And the states that Lack enough oil or gas etc resources, can be the states that encourage Gun makers like Ruger-Colt-Sig-S&W etc,and all other industry, to move operations to Those now manufacturing Friendly states without kommie-unions nor epa crap nor ANY unconst fed laws or mandates.

IF said states really plan to uphold new laws that Bar atf-fbi from antigun enforcements in said states, they can also do similar to what I outlined here right.

And NO other plan will work to defaet the powers of fed gov and atf etc Except for well Armed citizen state militias…Militias that are empowered LEAGALLY as per us const clauses(look it up) Thru their state legislators and state goveners as Comander in Chief of that states citizen militias.

And smaller POP states such as WY or MT can make resiprocity agreement laws or acts at state levels, incase with such smaller base of citizens to form Protective militias can depend on Larger neighboring states militias to assist if need arises due to fed gov pressures etc.

THIS is likly the ONLY Non-violent plans available at this late date. And well worth trying as not only to Avoid violent revolt, but also to do what is sorely needed today more so than just about any other thing.

That being, Restore GOOD paying Jobs, enough for all state citizens to do honest labor for honest wages. Restore americas Self-dependence by use of our Own massive reserves of almost every possible raw resource and material required to do such plans.

America geared up back in WWII era to not only supply all Our military forces and gov’s needed, but we also were able to supply the entire rest of the free world nations we called allies. All while we continued to become the bread basket of the worlds hugery folks!

And PLEASE all them Al Gore freeks and tree hugger types that still believe in all the now Proven Faked global warm crap or “peak Oil” crap, and are too blind to see or research that all such forms of “scare tactics” are a direct invention/product of Globalistic Kommie eliets and United nations honchos who’s only Real plan is, not to “Save” and whales or polar bears nor any spotted owl’s, since the last 30 yrs has proved all such swindles as just that…Scam-Swindles to falsify fear based scams that will convince vast majoritys of Sheeples to part with More taxes paid to the UN of course, so They can RE distribute Your hard earned wealth to Their decided more needy than You folks or programs!

America still has Vast resources, more than entire rest of world combined. And with todays advances in high tech and even Low tech as compared to WWII era…Well those two combined, vast resources+ High Tech abilities should make americas return to Good jobs Plus prosperity like we were destined to achieve(and were/did untill 50 yrs ago komies infiltrated all major entities of control of all of society and depts of all what matters).

Todays america can acomplish such goals better and faster than ever before. Even an equal to feats done in run up/build up prior to usa entry into WWII would be a vast huge Improvment as compared to todays Kommie/Hobammy/fientisens/ “Changes” eh.

Besides even if we find we do not have enough of this or that resources or raw materials?…We can figure out a method to get around that also. American ingenuity always has!

Besides all That…At this point..What else do we have to lose for trying such plans?….Even abject 100% failures in all I wrote of here is still far better an alternative than civil war is it not?…You/we can always try civil war if These type plans fail right?

You are as clueless about climate hell as some liberals are clueless about gun control. Second amendment–GOOD, its NOT OK for them to take our guns. Constitution–GOOD, its not OK for them to destroy the Constitution. HOWEVER, global change (Hell, that is) is a REALITY. and if, at this point, you don’t realize it, you’re even more clueless than the gun grabbers are!! RESEARCH, READ BOOKS, STOP LISTENING TO RUSH LIMP BALLS! YOUR KIDS WILL THANK YOU!

{{{Police Chief Mark Kessler of the Gilberton Borough Police Department in Pennsylvania wants citizens to join with his police department in building a “reserve force” that will aid his police force should the need arise to resist Federal authorities when it comes to the Second Amendment.}}}

There was a good article on Canada Free Press yesterday regarding the Constitution. J.D. Longstreet reminds us the constitution is not flexible. It either means what it says or it is of no account-totally useless-and the US id adrift in a sea of utter confusion, ripe for the take over by tyrannical forces already tethered deep inside our government. Read the article here:http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/53128

OF COURSE! OBAMA IS BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY GOLDMAN SACHS! JUST LIKE OUR CONGRESSMEN ARE BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY THE FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY (WHO USE THE SAME PR PEOPLE TO TRICK THE PUBLIC WITH MIS-INFORMATION AS THE CIGARETTTE COMPANIES USED)

When scientists say GW is real and we need to switch to altenative energy, hey! No problem! just bring in the PR guys and spread mis-information…fossil fuel industry (Big oil, coal, and oil) can keep raking in the billions of dollars each year! (and your condemn your kids to a life of climate hell!)

OF COURSE! OBAMA IS BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY GOLDMAN SACHS! JUST LIKE OUR CONGRESSMEN ARE BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY THE FOSSIL FUEL INDUSTRY (BIG OIL, COAL, AND GAS)–WHO, BY THE WAY, USE THE SAME PR PEOPLE AS THE CIGARETTE COMPANIES DID WHEN THEY WERE AFRAID OF LOSING PROFITS BECAUSE SCIENTISTS WERE TELLING ABOUT THE DANGERS OF SOMOKING.

afraid the public might switch to renewable energy? hey, no problem! just spend millions dollars spreading mis-information, tell them its all a hoax and continue raking in billions of dollars in profit!.. (and children are condemned to a future of climate hell!)

I am not sure when it will happen, but the civil war will not be fought with bullets. The government is now so bloated and broke, it can not function without the constant influx of cash. No matter what Obama says there is not enough, “rich people money” to keep the government in business right now, much less during a civil war when the flow of tax dollars stops, which will happen instantly during a civil war.

This country has become like a supermarket. It has to be restocked with money every day. When the cash flow stops, the government shuts down. Then the troops quit marching, the planes quit flying, and the tanks stop rolling. The government will suffer the same fate as Russia, it will wimply go out of business due to no tax revenue. Trust me, printing money will not matter at that point because there will be no income to speculate on.

But is that really what we want? The void will be filled by someone reorganizing our military like the Banana Republics do, another country moving in (eg. China) or roving bands of warlords like every apocolypse movie.

I don’t want this country to fall, but I am at a loss as to how to stop the eventual collapse. But it will fall to bankruptcy not bullets. Just have plenty of reserves, because it will be a bumpy and painful ride.

We need to remember that this is engineered so that it only collapses for US. TPTB all have their off-shore havens and haciendas, bunkers and bullion stashes. They will not be affected—WE THE PEOPLE will. Again, TPTB did not design this collapse to take themselves down with us.

Bankruptcy?
That’s what they want… that way they can do what they want…
Haven’t you ever heard of the Lincoln option?
The Fed’s charter is up this year isn’t it?…
All they have to do is declare that they are going to take the issuing power back into the government where it belongs.
Like Lincoln did with Greenbacks, when he told the NY bankers to go to hell.

I can see no way possible for this nation not to collapse and break apart. This nation was NEVER intended to be turned into a multicultural, multi-racial flop house for the entire Third World.

History clearly proves that not one single solitary ‘multi-cultural’ or ‘multi-racial’ civilization has ever been successful, not over the long term. The reason for this is because of the insanity of forcing different groups of people who are incompatible with one another and who really don’t like one another all that much to occupy the same territory and to be ruled under the same system of government. Competition between competing ethnic groups for power, for limited resources, for cultural influence, for living space, for religious or language dominance, and to determine the ‘Pecking Order’ invariably ensue – and these conflicts eventually result in violence and the collapse and breakup of these unnatural and artificial creations.

Our Founders were not bashful about stating that America was intended to be homeland for White European people – who came here from Europe to escape tyranny. Today, we have our Cultural Marxist enemies telling White European people that we are not allowed to have or express the same perfectly legitimate concerns for our ethnic specific interests which are encouraged and celebrated when expressed by non-white demographic groups. This double standard is not only hypocritical beyond belief, but it is also criminally unfair and has the distinct aroma of intentionally planned genocide wafting off of it.

Thus, status quo is unsustainable. For White European Americans to regain our ethnic specific rights and to ensure that our people survive – we can only secure these things by establishing a new homeland for our people. We cannot achieve these objectives when we are forced to live alongside other races who would deny us the very same things that they themselves seek for their ethnic group.

Our hope is through local and State legislation and support through those of us who have taken our Rights and our Oath seriously and who use Common Sense and honor-bound principles as we abide by our Founding documents.

Brandon wrote, “There is no other culture on earth that has the capacity, like Americans currently do, to defeat centralists, defend individual liberty, and end the pursuit of total global power in this lifetime. We are the first and last line. If freedom is undone here, it is undone everywhere for generations to come. This is our responsibility. This is our providence. There can be no complacency. There can be no compromise. There can be no fear. It ends on this ground. One way, or another…”

Strong sentiments, Brandon, poignant. And words that travel in time both in recollection as well as for posterity. I am reminded of the Battle of Gettysburg, Little Round Top, Col. Joshua Chamberlain — the 20th Maine was the end of the line. He later wrote, “… At that crisis, I ordered the bayonet. The word was enough.”

Chamberlain is one of my heroes, and I am also reminded of Chamberlain’s reverent and introspective truth:

“But we can hold our spirits and our bodies so pure and high, we may cherish such thoughts and such ideals, and dream such dreams of lofty purpose, that we can determine and know what manner of men we will be, whenever and wherever the hour strikes and calls to noble action.”

“Modern patriots who adhere to the philosophy of Jefferson represent a clear, direct threat to many within government who view the Constitution and the Bill of Rights as irritating roadblocks to their plans for complete government power over every sector of life.”

THEY TRIED TAKING DOWN THE INTERNET IN ANOTHER COUNTRY AND ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE! THE INTERNET IS A MEDIUM WHERE WE CAN EXPRESS OUR ANGER AND GRIEVANCES. WITH NO INTERNET, HAVE TO EXPRESS IT IN OTHER WAYS.

ANONYMOUS SAID THAT IF THEY TAKE DOWN THE INTERNET, WE SHOULD TAKE DOWN THE GOVERNMENT… MAYBE READ THE BOOK, “MONKEY WRENCHING”. ; )

Taking down the Internet is largely a pipe dream of totalitarian cockroaches like Joe Lieberman and his fellow tribal pals. The Internet has become so heavy utilized by banking and the financial and commercial sectors, and also by the medical sector – that were it to be shut down, the domino effect would be catastrophic.

The same evil and totalitarian elites who have wet dreams about killing the Internet have screwed themselves by allowing the USA to become so dependent upon it. My best guess is that they will try to establish some kind of heavily restricted, tightly regulated and Orwellian monitored Internet 2 that uses a separate backbone and then try to gradually transition over all of their favored infrastructure (banking, finance, essential commerce, medical, etc.) until the original Internet is just used by the peasants who the elites despise. That will let them shut down our Internet and still keep theirs up and online.

TOUCHE! I meet people all the time who are awake and concerned. And when I find someone who is blind to the truth, I let him have his say and listen quietly. Then I tell him THE FACTS and that person almost always sees I’m right. We just need to keep getting the word out!

ALSO, was wondering.. when I went to this gun shop awhile back, they asked me to fill out papers– a background check. (Unfortunately, I never went back because was short on cash!) but is this the same as registration?

The dealer maintains the Form 4473, and adds the NICS check number to the form. The gov’t doesn’t get the forms unless the FFL dealer goes out of business or surrenders his license. Tracing a firearm means the dealers check their records and inform the gov’t that gun x was bought by person y, but the ATFE doesn’t have the records, just the older stuff.

I like the Robert Heinlein approach…
In Starship troopers, the Vets TOOK OVER from the Socialists that were destroying the country, and the world.

I had said, that a Constitutional Convention, under the control of the people would tie them up, it wouldn’t ‘win’ anything, because there is no way for either side to achieve a super majority. But have now become convinced, that DK is probably right, the party structure would latch onto it with the DGI’s and that would be The End.

So the only thing left is for the Vet’s to join as One. As ONE, and tell Washington and the states, WE enforce the Constitution. How many witnesses does it take to bring a charge of TREASON? How many treasonous acts have been performed? Do we need a trial first? Or do we proceed directly to the hangin’ party…

Treason takes two witnesses. The acts alleged must meet the legal definition of treason, being ‘aid and comfort to the enemies of the US’. Signing a repugnant act into law may be impeachable, but treason is doubtful.

Vote them out of office, from the PTA school board all the way up to congress and the White House, get them fired from their tenured jobs, the news media, the pulpit, whatever. They spent 50 years getting to this point, we will have to spend a decade or more getting rid of them.

Get your eyes checked, you may need good long range vision. You remember the old quote: “In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king”?
In the land of the insane, what is the sane person? Sometimes I wonder; it’s not just guns: It’s the budget, trade, jobs, stupid wars, Kids being thrown out of school for pointing finger guns, illegals, It’s all so insane– or is it me? I wish I knew, but it’s the only brain I have so I’ll have to go with it.

He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore…..Isaiah 2:4

I think what will likely happen is before civil war breaks out, the dollar and government will collpase and all those wonderful traitors in office will be leaving the country with as much wealth as thier boney fingers can grasp.

The police and military men and woman will go home to prtotect thier own families leaving the triators unprotected. They will simply have to leave once the police and military stand down. If they stay those traitors will be lynched by a mob and they know it.

There will never be a peaceful solution when the bad guys are hell bent on taking away our self defense and burning the Constitution. These gun grabbing slime suckers are 100% at fault, and until they are willing to give up on their sick quest to disarm all of us like in Europe, there is no compromise. We have a right to own guns, period. These anti-self defense are not even trying to amend any part of the Constitution, they are trying to destroy it completely, calling it outdated. MF’s like this there cannot be any peace with. You can’t have peace with grubby little parasites that have an one track mind to take away EVERY bit of self defense you have. Worms like the gun grabbers belong in the ground.

It’s a question being asked more and more. I for one see our backs to the wall – and we keep getting hockey checked into the wall – by those who feel it their moral imperative to dictate what rights everyone should have.

You have a right to a 7 round magazine, but not a 10 or a 15 or a 30 BUT its okay for Law Enforcement to have them… Really? Do they live around a whole other set of folks than we do? We face the same dangers they do, we have the very same right to defend ourselves with whatever means we feel best able to use to defend ourselves.

This is true for all rights, not just gun rights. The problem with those that want to control and fundamentally change our rights are so damned good, they have to be law. There is no such thing as a rational, fact filled discussion with them. I for one have no more room to give, matter of fact – no compromises should have ever been given – repeal ALL gun laws.

What part of shall not be infringed do folks not understand? To those that say the 2nd amendment was about muskets not evil black rifles – then I say – guess the first amendment was the manual printing presses and never applied to new media including TV, Radio and the internet huh? Let alone the fact that those that argue this likely missed the point of exactly what the 2nd Amendment was written for, it sure as sin wasn’t written just for hunting.

I sit and wonder – with an alarming frequency of late as to how long people are going to take this?

No, they don’t live around the same folks we do. They have their inbred, elitist friends in their gated, armed guard communities. They maintain surveillance and force to keep us separated from their world.

They do not see themselves and us on the same plane of human evolution. That is the core definition of “elitist”. They see us as insects to be stepped on…

The problem with that idea, is that there are too many of us, and their boot isn’t big enough to step on us all.

The only solutions will be peaceful. If violence on a mass scale becomes the norm in the US we and the entire world are in deep trouble the likes of which have never before been seen. We’re out of Thomas Jefferson quality leadership. Let everything fall apart and watch the political prostitutes rise to the occasion and fill the void of “leadership”. People with the most ambition not the most moral become leaders. Tyrants throughout history have dovetail fit themselves into the power vacuum created under the best of intentions.

The crazies that are hoping for some revolution are out of their minds.

Burl Ives, You don’t know me, so what is the basis for your judgement of me? I don’t caqre so much what you say about me, but don’t you dare talk about my wife. She’s dead, so she can’t speak for herself, but i do have her approval to speak for her. She was a refugee from Communist Cuba who lost half of her family and everything else she had to Castro’s butchers. She risked her life to escape to America because she wanted to be free. I lost her to a drunk driver in Dec. 1981 and my life hasn’t been the same since. unless you’ve lost a loved one, you will never understand what i go through. We married on Valentine’s Day in 1976. Yesterday was Valentine’s Day. Had she lived, it would have been our 37th anniversary together. She was a superior woman to anyone I’ve even dated since those times. She was a better American than a lot of native-born ones I’ve ever seen. I’m someone who believes in freedom; i believe in everything this country was founded on. Everything we’re going through now, I’ve seen coming for decades. In all fairness, i don’t know you or your background, BUT I DO KNOW WHO I AM AND WHAT I BELIEVE IN. I’m a prepper. i first came to this site a year ago and fell in love with it. I know I’m in very good company here. We all come here to exchange information on survival-related subjects and help each other. If you have any advice on survival-related subjects, ok, we’ll be glad to hear it, otherwise go to a MSM site, you may be more at home there. Mac, sorry to go off like that, but i won’t tolerate anyone running down my wife. i don’t care what they say about me; they just need to keep their stupid mouths shut about my wife. F#$% you, Burl Ives.

Braveheart: I believe what you say and I think you are an Honest/True patriot Brother. And should you ever need a Northern retreat or bugout location in the Northern Mich(lower penn) areas?…You are more than welcome here.

I too reside alone. Aint got no mansion, do have 10 acres, enough stuff to survive at minimum several yrs. Not as stocked to last 30 yrs or longer as some here seem to be…But I am capable and got whats needed for me for awhile.

I lost my woman also…Although due to different circumstanses. For mine it was she began to drink booze to much, then began reading Cosmo type magazines etc…Finally she told me She needed “Space”!

So I told her Ok…If you need “Space”? Go Join NASA bitch! because thats about All NASA deals with! Perhaps they will let you be an astronaut eh!

A biker pal I had back in detroit days once told me they are all bitches!…Except of course for MOM!…Not sure if hes 100% right?…But mine sure fits his definitions!

Anyways Braveheart. After so many postings of your’s I think you are a true sincere well meaning Patriot. One I would be proud to call friend/Brother. Angelo.

Perhaps she started drinking after living with your everybody is going to get us attitude? Nope can’t be….it is the Cosmo magazines. Yep refer to women as bitches essentially calling every woman on this site a bitch. (except for mom). Wow I just thought you were a clown…now everyone knows you are a loser. Go ahead and down vote me if you think your daughter is a bitch.

BraveHeart..Kudos and Burl the Purl can go suck a Tailpipe, people here don”t divulge Personal Information, unless its to do with a Story or experience, we all share Faults, and are Human for It…We use these experiences to help or Warn people…Those that choose to Learn will, those that scoff at all the Help, will be sorry some day….Patriots and Vets will pick up the Slack, we don”t need to Brag or be Key-board Commandos.The III% will do what needs to be Done, when it needs to be Done!

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

The Declaration of Independence is taught to few and recognized by fewer yet. Repeating the second paragraph to the wrong people will probably get you put on a watch list today. It’s amazing the changes we middle age to seniors have seen in the last half century.

How soon we forget. These United States were born on principles of “Natural Law”. Not spooned out by the 525 in Congress, but from “The CREATOR”. Sadly, we have all but forgotten our heritage. But were are the first and last line on this otherwise intellectually barren rock.

About Come and Take It – it’s about the history of Gonzales, Texas and how they stood up against their cannon being confiscated – the women made a “flag” with the Come and Take It using petty coats and quilts.

There are a couple of versions on the site – my favorite is the full song – great history lesson.

This is still my #1 site and I’ve been keeping pace with the happenings here – especially with you young man!

My energy has been focused on lo o n g term preps for those tin foil type events that are not a priority here – until it will be when the Madrid Fault goes and the continued bombardment of “meteors” from the southern hemisphere get identified for what they are, a pre-curser of a major catastrophic event.

We have much in common. I think you have posted the Madrid Fault at 2015 – I’m thinking sooner. There will be many prepper families that will be affected and end up as refuges. I’m preparing to re-locate (blame it on Daisy – she gave me this hair brain idea given the massive amount of prep stuff I’ve accumulated these thirty years and kept mobile). So have been working my butt off (got plenty of junk in the trunk, so it doesn’t matter) God willing, I’ll be in the right location and position to offer a hand to our like minded folks needing to relocate.

I’d like to ask a personal favor. Would you please listen to Steve’s video and song and post a comment? ourguns at dot org. Your review: good, bad or ugly has weight with folks here. I don’t personally know this guy, but he seems to be one of us and has invested his time and money in support of the 2nd and us keeping our guns – unlike the NRA and other organizations that seem to be silent – this Steve guy has a visual and audio message saying NO big time.

PLEASE??? (Making those moist big cat eyes!) Out the door to another 10 hrs on my feet – I’m getting too damn old for this shit!

There is no other culture on earth that has the capacity, like Americans currently do, to defeat centralists, defend individual liberty, and end the pursuit of total global power in this lifetime. We are the first and last line. If freedom is undone here, it is undone everywhere for generations to come. This is our responsibility. This is our providence. There can be no complacency. There can be no compromise. There can be no fear. It ends on this ground. One way, or another I LOVE IT !!!!!

It is posted here that the banksters want their Civil War just as they have perped violence over the entire globe. This article basically supports having the moral high ground and the process of acquisition of it.

They are going to get their war whether we want it or not. Process is only delaying the inevitable while the enemy gets stronger and eliminates their strongest foes one by one. You may say process gives us more time to prepare. Like Brandon refers to the firearms availability as the “Sahara”, we have run the gauntlet of preparation.

Our nemesis will force us to fight them through process while weakening(bleeding) us slowly to death. Our Fore Fathers would have already gone hot. We have already taken fire and death from the Communist. We have already had our Lexington and Concord. I would prefer peace but it is unattainable through more process.

AM and Cameraman, thank you for your support. I don’t give a f#$% what someone says about me, but you start running down my wife, you crossed a red line. AM, sorry to hear about your wife. I’ve had those kind as girlfriends in the past, so i know exactly what you mean. If you have drinking or drug issues, get the hell away from me. I don’t have any use for that. All I’m focusing on these days is prepping all the way to the last minute before TSHTF. Nobody can say for sure when that will be, but I feel it getting closer. I just feel so threatened by these people trying to destroy our country and I know everyone else does too. I’m so wound up right now; like I’ve said before, anyone stupid enough to try to do harm to me, IT’S GAME ON! NOMI CATIMF LFOD Braveheart

I continue to harbor doubts about the Oath Keepers and the like, both as individuals and as organizations. I mean, it’s great to say you won’t participate in any sort of federal gun confiscation scheme, but what about all the other grossly unconstitutional federal crap they enforce on a daily basis… from the war on drugs, trashing the 4th amendment, DUI roadblocks, asset seizure, raw milk raids, and so on? When the Oath Keepers swear (and actually follow through) to not collaborate with the feds on prohibition-style drug raids, raw milk takedowns, and so on, then it will matter. Seriously, gun confiscation would be suicide for law enforcement. It’s easy to say you won’t participate in that. But what about all the other unconstitutional crap that local law enforcement continues to collaborate with the feds on?

Leave me alone bitch. Leave me alone or I will troll your racist, bitch hatin ass. Your move. Just remember who started this. Not everyone agrees with your all women are bitches bullshit. Many of us have daughters and think you are an ass. Keep it up And I will spam troll every dumb fuck thing you do.

Found this site from someone forwarding to me. Never posted B4, probably not again. Couple quick points:

1) RE: Loss of wife. Lost my only of over 30 years last year to cancer. Post is correct, you CAN’T comprehend unless you’ve lived through it. Sounds like a wonderful woman, and the love of your life. Sorry for your loss.

2) Question: Can you be FORCED to ‘involuntarily waive’ a RIGHT, to be ‘allowed’ to exercise a DIFFERENT Right? Think about that. Now answer before proceeding. Ready?
My HOPE is SOMEONE will run with this concept and make it a front line NATIONAL issue, as those that should carry this torch for America are apparently useless/gutless/clueless on this issue. I see a lot of passion for freedom as defined by the Constitution here. Good. This affects those with that passion. What am I talking about? ……….
HOW do you get a ‘concealed weapon PERMIT’ while MAINTAINING your RIGHT TO PRIVACY?? ???
Does it MATTER?? Wake the people! DEMAND an answer from your ‘Representative’! DAILY! MAKE them stand for RIGHTS! YOURS! Demand FEDERAL legislation forcing ALL STATES to stop this VIOLATION of the Rights of ALL Americans! Demand State Law likewise!
A ‘permit’ VIOLATES the infringement clause of the 2nd Amendment. It ALSO violates our Right to Happiness. If you would seek happiness in knowing of your security by being able to defend yourself without it being anybody else’s business, then is not your Right violated?

Disclaimer: All the following in this post is to the best of my knowledge (except pertaining to God/Christ, of which I am sure):

The word ‘PERMIT’ denotes PRIVILEGE, under law. PRIVILEGE is, BY DEFINITION, subject to PAST, PRESENT, and FUTURE laws! Yes, FUTURE laws! I’ve never been concerned about the issue personally (carrying concealed) enough to feel the ‘need’ for one. God knows me, and it is in Him I trust, as this world is not my home, and I look forward to my Heavenly home where this will all be but a vague memory! Have YOU accepted Christ yet as YOUR Savior? Is THIS your Heaven? Tomorrow no man is promised, and Hell is REAL! Ask Christ into your heart as your Lord and Savior NOW! Get it settled!

I don’t have a dog in this fight, especially at my age, etc., but I DO care about the freedoms our Forefathers paid so much for, for myself, my loved ones, my neighbor, and us all. This has concerned me for years as I have never heard it brought up!
Several states have awoken to this VIOLATION of Constitutional Rights fact as they NO LONGER REQUIRE such ‘permit’. I believe this HAS BEEN a useful TOOL to condition people to looking to ‘authority’ for ‘allowance’ of ‘exercising’ your ‘right’. Now as they seek to take YOUR firearms, most are already CONDITIONED to accept ability to ‘exercise your Right’, as CONDITIONAL upon PERMISSION by your SERVANTS.

You CANNOT simultaneously exercise a RIGHT and a PRIVILEGE (‘granted’ by your SERVANTS after you PLEADED with them so hard as to even give them MONEY for their blessing upon you!). “Study, to show thyself a workman approved, rightly dividing the Word of Truth” (author: God).
Study LAW, and don’t expect a judge or attorney to tell you the truth. They belong to the same ‘closed’ union shop (the Bar(’til closing time?)), and are therefore on the same side, eh? Are you aware ‘ignorance of the law’ is no excuse? Ok. If I’m not mistaken,it IS an excuse, if you are a judge! Remember, they only PRACTICE law! You operate under only ONE. Decide: Privilege or Right…. How did you answer the opening question above?

3) Finally, somewhere under Title 18 USC,(sorry, forgotten the site after many decades), it states: “If a law be passed that is not in accordance with the Constitution, it is INDEED NOT A LAW. This SHOULD put a bunch of this unConstitutional fraud by the likes of Frankenfeinstein, “stretch” Pelousy, Odummy, etc., permanently to the dustbin. DEMAND IT!!! MAKE your Rep and the talking heads read the site to the people! Look it up and put it in the editorial page. Picket your capitol with a sign citing it and demanding an answer from your ‘reps’ why they don’t strike down Odummycare, and all the firearms fraud garbage with this clause. Read your state Constitution, and statutes, for similar law. Demand they uphold it. Call your TV station(good luck), and radio guys to go interview your reps on this stuff!
If you agree with these thoughts, please, DO something!
Good luck, and may God bless you, and help us all.

Why you trash talking anti book learnin fool. There is no cliff. You and your ignorant ilk will be typing this trash for decades. I am signing off to go alter hillbilly DNA. Farewell you hapless hater big talking losers. I am off to make your life better and reinvent your toothbrush. It will soon be called a teeth brush. I am going to cure all your fetal alcohol brains. You will for the first time, be able to think. You all want the end so you will be vindicated. Your want your prepping ways to not be for not. You will realize that you have wasted thousands of dollars and years of time. I will be back if I get 7 down votes. So if you want me to stay, collapse this.

As I read through the comments, I see a lot of anger and also some misconceptions. Most of the posters have it right when they say that the gun grabbers want to register everyone and then proceed incrementally to disarm them. Gun owners will probably resist this. On the other hand, I see that many people, and I mean no disrespect, are very ignorant of the political systems being imposed upon us. First, it is not communism. Communism is where the state owns everything. Second, it is not Socialism. Socialism is where the rich are taxed and the wealth is spread around with social programs like work programs and schools and road building and other public stuff. What is being imposed is Fascism. Yes, the kind Hitler imposed on Europe. Fascism is where the corporate rich fat cats use people like slaves to make themselves extremely rich. At the heart of our present Fascist system is the Corporate CEOs and global corporations who meet secretly and decide to pay starvation wages and to enforce austerity upon us all, and they want Americans brought down the the level of Chinese slave laborers who make 58 cents per hour.

These fascist rulers know that when their impoverishment begins, all hell will break loose, and the will be targets. So, they want the citizenry disarmed and neutered.

The authoritarians and totalitarians who want to herd us around like cattle do not deserve our cooperation in this matter or in helping them remove our means of resistance to their oppression.

Keeping these people who want to enslave us under control will be quite costly and difficult for us all. They are brutal, extremely arrogant, and they have no conscience. They view us as they would view a gnat or ant, and they will squash us in a heartbeat if they think they can do so with impunity.

I know I will stand, not beg. We will prevail. My mother (God rest her soul) used to tell me of a prophecy that says the country under the Great Eagle is the only one that won’t be under the Anti-Christ.

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