by the way, I'm doing a dissertation on citizenship in the Discworld. Any posts may be used as research results in my dissertation but names and any other personal information that happens to come up will of course be kept anonymous.

'Luck is my middle name,' said Rincewind, Indistinctly. 'Mind you, my first name is Bad.'

Yes, I was reading about him being on 'Women's Hour' in a dissertation about the Witches in the Discworld called 'Which, Witch is Which?'.

I suppose what I was really trying to find out is if Activism is a theme that runs through Pratchett's work. It is pretty clearly in 'Night Watch' and in 'Equal Rites' but I wondered if it was something Terry had a wider tendancy to write into his Discworld novels.

Thanks for linking me to the Equal Rites discussion I'll have a look through that, cheers.

'Luck is my middle name,' said Rincewind, Indistinctly. 'Mind you, my first name is Bad.'

I'll have to go through it again, but i never saw her as an activist. as she never really seemed to actively fight against the system. she just did her business and ended up involved in things (like alot of his characters).

"The reason an author needs to know the rules of grammar isn't so he or she never breaks them, but so the author knows how to break them."

I've always thought there was a certain amount of gender uncertainty in the book. Esk is clearly a girl, but she's been given the staff which has male connotations. She's a girl with a boy bit. She can't be a witch because he magic is too masculine and she can't be a wizard because they see her as female. So she's in a sort of limbo state. She has the power to be wizard and cannot understand why she shouldn't be one.

Add to this the references to puberty and sexual confusion there and it makes things even more complicated for her.

As an example of wizard versus witch magic, take a look at the magical duel between Cutangle and Granny. On the face of it, it seems quite aggressive, but it's only really aggressive from the male side. Every time Cutangle produces something vicious, Granny counters it with something that tames it without aggression. It's more of a battle of the sexes than a battle of magic.

It's more Granny than anyone with the activist attitude and even hers is reluctant.But the book is supposed to represent inequality (like most of Pratchett's books) so it doesn't need an activist to boost it.

Tenthegg wrote:I suppose what I was really trying to find out is if Activism is a theme that runs through Pratchett's work. It is pretty clearly in 'Night Watch' and in 'Equal Rites' but I wondered if it was something Terry had a wider tendancy to write into his Discworld novels.

I think a fair case could be made for it being a recurring theme...

Some examples that come two mind...Campaign for equal heights for dwarves (see e.g. Feet of Clay)Adora Belle Dearheart works for the Golem Trust (see Going Postal and Making Money)Fresh Start Club for undead run by Reg Shoe (see Reaper Man)Uberwald League of Temperance is a self-help group for vampires (see e.g. The Truth, Thud!, Monstrous Regiment)The Silicon Anti-Defamation League for trolls (see Feet of Clay)I'm sure there are more...

Pratchett makes fun of activism by outsiders - the dwarfs (they are only dwarves in Equal Rights, the rest of the time they are dwarfs) have no use for the Society for Equal Heights. It is a silly organization of human do-gooders. The dwarfs get better treatment for themselves by becoming a significant part of the Ankh Morpork economy, by entering the guilds (and probably by being the power behind the press). Even the dwarf-feminist movement is a quiet campaign of individual dwarfs deciding to present as openly feminine.

And the Silicon Anti-Defemation League is a cover for troll organized crime.

The Ankh Morpork version of the vampire temperance league is an outlet for Doreen Winkings ambition to become more posh through her husband's vampirism.