Terra-Formers

I have Refining V and Refining efficiency V currently. I was wondering if its worth it to start training the ore refining skills? Right now I can refine at 99.5% efficiency. Do the ore refining skills do anything then?

The Freighter Factory

They're potentially useful in that they're prereqs for using specialist mining crystals if that's your thing.

Off the top of my head (and treat this one with a real dollop of salt, it's vague memory only) refining 5, refining efficiency 5 and relevant ore processing skill to just 1 will eradicate refining waste at a 50% NPC station.

If you're just worried about just high sec mining / refining IIRC you will just need refining V (kernite mining crystals II) and refining efficiency III for perfect yield as well as the related mineral processing skill (kernite processing).

Department 10

Not needed for perfect refining in high sec. Only needed for using T2 mining crystals and for refining at POS refineries. If you are a serious miner you will want to train to lvl 4 for any ores that you habitually mine to enable use of T2 mining crystals.

Perkone

Caldari State

A POS refines at 75% efficiency, and this is not effected by any skills, or changeable in any way (POS module "Intensive Refining Array"). An outpost refines are various levels, depending on it's upgrades (I believe the refining is able to be upgraded, it's been awhile), the Minmatar outpost has the highest refine, up to 50%, if upgraded(?). You will be refining at player controlled outposts if you live in 0.0, you typically won't ever refine at a POS.

A POS refines at 75% efficiency, and this is not effected by any skills, or changeable in any way (POS module "Intensive Refining Array"). An outpost refines are various levels, depending on it's upgrades (I believe the refining is able to be upgraded, it's been awhile), the Minmatar outpost has the highest refine, up to 50%, if upgraded(?). You will be refining at player controlled outposts if you live in 0.0, you typically won't ever refine at a POS.

So as a miner without access to a 0.0 POS I shouldn't bother training my processing skills *other than for crystals* because there is no where in HS i can turn minerals into more profit by turning it into building materials. Sounds like its more worth it just to sell my raw ore.

XS Tech

A POS refines at 75% efficiency, and this is not effected by any skills, or changeable in any way (POS module "Intensive Refining Array"). An outpost refines are various levels, depending on it's upgrades (I believe the refining is able to be upgraded, it's been awhile), the Minmatar outpost has the highest refine, up to 50%, if upgraded(?). You will be refining at player controlled outposts if you live in 0.0, you typically won't ever refine at a POS.

So as a miner without access to a 0.0 POS I shouldn't bother training my processing skills *other than for crystals* because there is no where in HS i can turn minerals into more profit by turning it into building materials. Sounds like its more worth it just to sell my raw ore.

I don't understand. If your in highsec then you would have access to a 50% yield station.

Perkone

Caldari State

They're potentially useful in that they're prereqs for using specialist mining crystals if that's your thing.

Off the top of my head (and treat this one with a real dollop of salt, it's vague memory only) refining 5, refining efficiency 5 and relevant ore processing skill to just 1 will eradicate refining waste at a 50% NPC station.

A quicker way to get there is Refining V, Refinery Efficiency III and level III in whatever ore you're processing. At least, that's what I have trained on my main and all I lose is the NPC tax, which is down to 1% with standings. (It's eliminated entirely at 6.65 standings I believe).

POS player owned station parked at a moon with sheilds, you fuel it and anchor mods to it.... you only refine at this if you have NO OTHER CHOICE it is hard coded to no matter what your skills are have a HUGE LOSS I think 75% is the best yield possible if memory servers

OUTPOST Player built station...(commonly called an egg) that is a permanent structure in eve. (same as a station in hi sec except that it is owned by players and can be conquered. This is where the skills will increase your yield.

NPC station refining under base of 50% here again your skills will pay off.

If you refine in 0.0 at a 35% base Minmatar outpost without upgrades, then you want them at 5 and a 4% refining implant (RX-804) for 99.35% yield.

A note on POS refining arrays: they are rubbish for anything other than ice. Skills affect them, but they have a yield cap on ore, example: intensive = 75% yield. They are only good for refining ice (Ice Processing 1 = 100% yield).