Why would it matter if Muhammad never existed? Certainly the accepted story of Islam's origins is taken for granted as historically accurate; while many don't accept Muhammad's claim to have been a prophet, few doubt that there was a man named Muhammad who in the early seventh century began to claim that he was receiving messages from Allah through the angel Gabriel.

Many who hear about my new book "Did Muhammad Exist? An Inquiry Into Islam's Obscure Origins" ask why it would matter whether or not Muhammad existed -- after all, a billion Muslims believe he did, and they are not going to stop doing so because of some historical investigations. Yet the numerous indications that the standard account of Muhammad's life is more legend than fact actually have considerable implications for the contemporary political scene.

These are just a few of the weaknesses in the traditional account of Muhammad's life and the early days of Islam:

* No record of Muhammad's reported death in 632 appears until more than a century after that date.

* The early accounts written by the people the Arabs conquered never mention Islam, Muhammad, or the Qur'an.

* They call the conquerors "Ishmaelites," "Saracens," "Muhajirun," and "Hagarians," but never "Muslims."

* The Arab conquerors, in their coins and inscriptions, don't mention Islam or the Qur'an for the first six decades of their conquests. Mentions of "Muhammad" are non-specific and on at least two occasions are accompanied by a cross. The word can be used not only as a proper name, but also as an honorific.

* The Qur'an, even by the canonical Muslim account, was not distributed in its present form until the 650s.

I remember (vaguely because I needed to go outside and smoke a cigarette) a portrait of Mohammed, which was a gift (I thought from Mohammed) to one of the Popes. I remember it was yucky colors, yucky hair, and then my nicotine addiction won out over any interest I had in it.

Liberals who question the existence of Jesus, never question the existence of Mohammed. The revisionists of the Enlightenment said nice things about Islam, the traditional enemy in order to undercut Christianity. They could afford to do so. Turkish power was beginning to recede rapidly and the Russians had seized control of the Crimea. i Guess a hundred years from now, liberals were be saying nice things about Hitler because he provided vocations for the workers and got rid of those nasty people called Jews.

TO ALL OUR FREEPER FRIENDS: James and I were there in Dearborn, MI at the “Jessica Mokdad Human Rights Conference”. We saw it all. We were proud to man Pamela Gellers and Robert Spencers sign in table at the event on Sunday, and to be there for attendees who wished to purchase Pamela's and Robert's books.

Everyone entering the event was required to be preregistered for this event. Everyone had over three months to register for this event. Once the registration process indicated every seat was taken, folks who tried to register by email had to be turned away because the venue was full.

When people arrived Sunday for the event, if their name was not on the lists, they were not allowed to enter. Those who claim they were preregistered and not on the list were not telling the truth. They came to the event for only one reason. To disrupt. They were eventually escorted from the hotel by police.

James and I want every young woman living in America, no matter of what religious faith, to be able to live in freedom under the laws of our country. We will continue to fight against Islamic law terrorism in America! Will you?

Freeper ping to post #13. I hope all who read it will help spread the truth far and wide. The MSM will not, so like Andrew said, we now have the dog whistles to alert our fellow Americans to the truth!

Islam has long been a great mystery to the west, even to most scholars on the subject.
But not to worry! I know ALL ABOUT these things and I’d be more than happy to ‘splain.

Long long ago, about fifteen hundred years, there lived an unemployed illiterate
pedophile maniac named Mohammad. Mo had a lot of social issues and low self esteem.

~Mo Hammad~

The local goat market was in a slump and Mo was at a loss on how to make a living
and improve his lot, he lived in a cave out back of his dad’s place and was not happy.

Mo hit upon the idea of picking one of the many deities available and promoting
this deity into the supreme god of gods with him as its prophet and spokesman.
He was a pretty shrewd fellow for an illiterate unemployed pedophile maniac and
realized this could be big mojo for him and end his poverty and pathetic miserableness.
Folks in Mo’s neighborhood were pretty gullible and prone to believe anything at all.

In a local holy place called Mecca the folks worshipped all kinds of different gods
in a sort of holy grotto and had set up shrines to all the varied gods and stuff.
Mo hied himself to Mecca and found he thought highly of allah, the moon god.

Allah was in fact a rock, or a stone if you will, and was kind of an obscure god
because.. well, ..it was just a rock. Allah had two daughters who were pebbles
and a bit later a great schism erupted over whether it was OK to worship these
pebbles too, seeing as they were the daughters of allah.. turned out it was not OK.

The magical allah stone!

There was even a classical but obscure arabic song composed at the
time about allah the moon god (stone) which can be heard here.

Having selected which deity he would promote, Mo decided that a supreme god of gods
like allah the stone would need to have some pretty serious rules and regulations and stuff
if Mo were to truly profit from being a prophet. So he sat his illiterate unemployed pedophile maniac
butt down and hacked out a whole crackhead’s ranting of illogic and hate and general oppresive
negativity & fanaticism and called it the word of allah, the rock, as told to him.. Mo, the prophet.
(He had to dictate this to a scribe, he could only manage to draw stick figures in the dirt by himself.)

More or less allah the rock’s message (as told by holy Mo) was pretty much about
how only those folks who believed allah the rock’s message (as told by holy Mo) were
any good at all and they should live more or less like dogs and obey very strictly the
laws laid down in allah the rock’s message (as told by holy Mo) and these were mostly
about being a slave to allah the rock and treating women like dirty boots and making
obeissance to allah the rock several times a day and performing obsessive-compulsive
washing acts and other kind of gross stuff that I won’t go into right here or now.

Also, allah the stone gave the faithful all kinds of dietary restrictions.
Some say these may have been prompted by young Mo having been
rejected by a particular barnyard animal, the scriptures are unclear.

All these things, while seeming kind of outrageous, were only for the believers, the faithful.

For the non-believers in allah the rock’s message (as told by holy Mo), things were much worse.

According to allah the rock and holy Mo if you were a believer it would
be perfectly OK to lie, cheat, steal, rob, subjugate, tax, plunder, kill, rape,
mutilate, immolate, dismember, impale, decapitate, disembowel, strangle,
impoverish, enslave, kick, spit on or damn to hell anyone who was not a believer.

The crowd went wild!

Oh, how the local folks ate this up! Like gravy on biscuits they were all over it.

Amazingly, these folks for the most part don’t drink any alcohol.
I find that incredible because it usually takes about 3/4 of a bottle
of Tequila for me to get anywhere even close to a mind-set like that.

Mo decided to go national with his shpiel about allah the rock’s message
so he killed an elderly lemon vendor and stole his donkey and went on tour.

In every town and tent city and caravan Mo visited, he sold his fabrications
to all the goatherders and tentmakers and sheepshaggers he could and they
mostly ate it up.. Mo was enthused and hired more scribes to jot down more
rantings about how allah the rock commanded it’s slaves to make a holy war
whenever possible against all who disbelieve the supremacy of allah the rock.

The crowd went wild!

Ultimately, Mo was highly sucessful in a local fashion in convicing the various
goatherders and tentmakers and sheepshaggers of his time to convert completely
to the subjugation & worship of allah the rock and it’s message (as told by holy Mo).
The faithful managed to enshrine the actual rock that embodies allah in the holy area
of Mecca, and they built a huge giant cube around it and now it has magical genies inside.

Mo’s followers gave the name “islam” to this new exciting religion of hate and
oppression and mindless slavery to a moon rock that isn’t even from the moon.
“Islam” roughly translated means: “We like the moon!”

Mo was mighty pleased with the way things worked out until he went to hell
but thats another story. Ultimately whole bunches of folks adopted the sacred
teachings of allah the rock and holy Mo.. they gather around the giant cube full
of magic genies and declare themselves slaves while prostrating suggestively.
It’s quite a scene!

Also it is a fact that allah the rock left another piece of himself lying about
in Mecca strategically located near a bunch of vendors.. this holy attraction
is billed as the “black stone of allah” and is encased in a sphincter-like arrangement
into which the devout may place their heads. Mo would have been proud!

I’m glad to have had this opportunity for us all to learn more
about fascinating islam. I’m sure there is even yet more to the story
but I’ve droned on long enough. Have a wonderful day and please
remember that while allah the rock might be an awesome powerful
stone or whatever.. he is really quite afraid of the US Marine Corps.

I love Robert Spencer. He’s such a hero. I’m sure he has spoken to the German researcher who was commissioned by the Merkel government to write an official document on Islam. He could find no evidence Mohammed ever existed. He published his report and immediately went into hiding.

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posted on 05/01/2012 3:19:56 PM PDT
by Deb
(Beat him, strip him and bring him to my tent!)

This is one of those not so easily dismissed "peer reviewed studies" that exposes the mussie's horrific treatment of women. Phyllis Chesler is a former Femi-Nazi who was married to a mussie, lived in his native land and managed to escape. Let's just say that the experience helped get her mind right. She has written extensively on David Horowitz's sites.

Looks like the Lycurgus Effect -- Lycurgus probably never existed, and was (at least in large part) concocted after the fact in the ancient fascist city-state of Sparta.

But there are plenty of biographical details about the big 'Mo -- he murdered the Jews of Arabia, he was a pedophile and plagiarist -- that suggest an actual cult leader. That the cult didn't become stylized and have a fixed canon isn't unlike other mass movements.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.

Obama is not the Anti-Christ but he is the Anti-Colonial President. I am reading Dinesh D’Souza’s book “The Roots of Obama’s Rage (finally!) and it is a true eye opener. You can interpret Obama’s words and speech with a clear vision of what is motivating him. Highly recommended. Obama is a very dangerous man and the reason the founders called for a Natural Born Citizen to be President, to avoid divided loyalties. Obama channels his father even though he never really knew him. Freighting.

In order to justify their own lives as they were living them, perhaps? Why do modern activist homosexuals in a Christian milieu get so vehement in their denial of certain passages in the Bible, or of the bible or Christianity as a whole?

When I look at Islam and how that religion advanced through history I see exactly what L Ron Hubbard was trying to do with Scientology.

There is not a doubt in my mind that both Mohammad and Hubbard were attempting the exact same thing, building a cult around themselves for money, power and influence. What guy back in the 7th century didn’t want what he had? Women to be used and abused at any time a man wanted, guilt free murder of anyone who didn’t believe what you did, etc.

Same thing that Hubbard was after now. Idiots paying his “church” (and himself) mega millions with a cult like following, slowly letting it snowball into the mainstream as an alternative to established religions.

Nothing would have made that man happier than knowing when he died that in a thousand years people would still be speaking of him as a prophet and hoping that Cthulhu remains in his volcano.

In much of the muslim world, the primary purpose of education of the youth is to weed out question askers. The rest of the muslim world where education is, more or less, about education learns to keep it’s collective head down as they are in all actuality, hostage to those who’ve been properly de-weeded.

There is no free thought in islam. Any manifestations of free thought are cured with public execution.

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posted on 05/02/2012 8:01:46 AM PDT
by Grimmy
(equivocation is but the first step along the road to capitulation)

Thanks for your reply and information. We all know that Islam is the religion of hate and the more we learn and spread the truth, the better. I am old and don't know how many years I have left, but I will continue to spread the truth until the Lord takes me.

Was sorry to hear about Freeper FireHat. I have missed so many threads this past few weeks and will be trying to catch up.

My hubby and I will continue doing everything we can to bring attention to the Islamic Terrorist enemy within, to support our troops and bring attention to military issues, and to help elect the very best Conservatives to Congress from Florida. We told each other that when we put our heads on our pillow on November 6th that we want to be able to say we did everything we could.

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