This will be a fun debate. My opponent will be arguing for Post Crisis Superman taking the win.

Rules: No trolling, swearing, or insults.If you accept, you must do the research and no forfeiting on any round unless you give a good reason for doing so, and post your arguement for any missed rounds in the current round.

During the Saiyan Saga Piccolo shot an basic energy beam at the moon and destroyed it. The beam lasted 3 seconds until disappearing and the moon blowing up www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSJ-Z1BXMQc

now the moon is 238857 miles away... So how fast was that energy beam?

- With the distance being 238857 miles away that means the basic energy beam moved at '79619' miles per second

- Note that at this stage Piccolo's power level is around '329' thus the beams power could also be '329'

- The reason for this being that Piccolo's 'Special Beam Cannon' took much longer to charge and its power was '1330'. This beam however was charged much quicker thus weaker

- The Beams power could be around '200' (since Master Roshi also destroyed the moon with a power level of 139 when he fought Goku in the World Tournament www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZPPW41LXJs) thus Piccolo only needed to shoot a beam stronger than that

But if Raditz shot an basic energy beam how fast would it be?

- Raditz is around 3.5x stronger than Piccolo meaning a basic energy beam from Raditz would take under 1 second to reach the moon...

- Thus Raditz beams move around '278666' miles per second (the speed of light is '186000' miles per second in a vacuum)

- So a basic energy beam from Raditz is around 1.3x faster than the speed of light

- Also Raditz dodged Piccolo's first 'Special Beam Cannon' (with a power level of '1330') thus the beam moved at speeds over '278666' miles per second, meaning Raditz can move at around 1.3x the speed of light

Upon returning from Other World Goku's power level is 8000 (lol no 9000 here) that’s around 6.6x that of Raditz's power level so what does this mean...

- So a basic beam (with a power level of 8000) would travel at '1839198' miles per second

- Let’s not forget that Nappa is 3.3x stronger than Raditz thus a basic beam from him would move at '919597' miles per second

- Goku managed to counter Nappa's mouth laser with a Kamehameha even though Nappa shot first

The small number is the size of King Kai's planets radius in relation to Earths.

volume of a sphere is V = (4/3) × pi × r^3

V = (4/3) × pi × 100m^3 = 4188790.2047863905m^3

This is using King Kai’s planet as 100m radius.

Knowing the mass and Volume we can get density.

P = M/V

P = 14713581723998976kg / 4188790.2047863905m^3

P = 3.512608892.9415128417291527 X 10^9 kg/m^3

Density of a white dwarf star: "The average density of matter in a white dwarf must therefore be, very roughly, 1,000,000 times greater than the average density of the Sun, or approximately 10^6 g/cm3." Which translates to 10^9 kg/m^3. So in other words it is over 3.5 times as dense as a white dwarf star.

Now for Energy Output, this image talks about the power of Super Saiyan 2.

A summary of the translation of this databook states that Super Saiyan 2 has the power to push back Cell’s energy bullet which had enough energy to destroy the solar system. Here, Vegeta is talking to Goku. (Sorry for it being in such low quality.)

Vegeta says “Impressive. You’re stronger than Gohan when he fought Cell.” Then Goku later transforms into a Super Saiyan 3 whose power was so transcendent that it could be sensed from the realm of the Kais and shook the world when Goku powered up.

Hello.
My opponent makes arguments about speed and power of Goku. He claims that Goku can destroy multiple solar systems. However, Superman is NOT a solar system, he's the MAN OF STEEL. There is an incredible simulation of a fight between Goku and Superman, https://www.youtube.com...

In the beginning, Superman gets rekt, but he doesn't lose because he's the MAN OF STEEL. So he prevails, and can wear down Goku. Thus, in the end he launches Goku straight through the Earth and wins.
Since my evidence is actually a simulation of a fight between Goku and Superman, and my opponent's evidence is inpertinent because Superman is not a solar system, it is clear that SUPERMAN would win the fight.
Thank you.

My opponent points out Screw Attack's Death Battle between Goku and Superman. While the video was fun to watch, Goku's statistics were calculated incorrectly. They used the speed at which he could travel long distances instead of the speed at which he could react and fight. The Gravity Formula acts as though Goku only gets stronger when he trains at increased gravity which is not the case and it falls apart when applied to other saiyans such as Vegeta, Trunks, and Goten. Vegeta trained at 400x Earth's gravity for the Androids and was easily beaten by Android 18, but Trunks, who could barely handle 150x Earth's gravity, could hold his own against Android 18 fairly well. The feat with Goku only lifting 40 tons is extremely inconsistent when in Dragon Ball, Goku managed to push a large boulder. Doing size and mass calculations I found that the boulder weighed around 350 tons.https://lh4.googleusercontent.com...

So, I pass it back to my opponent to try and prove that Superman could beat Goku.

Reasons for voting decision: Conduct: Con forfeited. Sources and arguments: Pro's position is a very well-researched case for Goku's physical superiority, and Con's case relies on a video that is debunked by Pro.

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