No. You're correct about corrections, but not the others. Troopers and some cities require longer training sessions, but the minimum standards course is all that is required to be a LEO in Alabama. As an example, Montgomery opens its recruit school to outside agencies. At the end of the course, those officers graduate and return home to hit the streets. Montgomery officers continue the city mandated training but as far as the state goes they're officers when they finish the minimum standards portion.

Let me ask you a question. Based on your biased view of the law and your complete lack of respect for police officers, would your FF be permitted to resist a lawful arrest? Remember, this was (until the officer let him go) a lawful arrest-see post above.

BTW, counselor, corrections and probation are not law enforcement.

George, serious question. If he was never arrested, how was he resisting arrest?

Not addressed to anyone in particular....but anyone not finding fault in EVERYONE involved is either lying, or isnt too bright.

George, serious question. If he was never arrested, how was he resisting arrest?

Not addressed to anyone in particular....but anyone not finding fault in EVERYONE involved is either lying, or isnt too bright.

That is what I have been talking about. He WAS placed under arrest. The Trooper walked up to the EMT and said, quite clearly, "You are under arrest...". At that time, the Trooper put his hands on the EMT and began to take him into custody. The EMT resisted and assaulted the Trooper.

The Trooper screwed up when he let him go. You cannot "un-arrest" someone. Only the courts can do that. If I put my hands on you, you are going in cuffs. The Trooper opened the door to a myriad of problems when he let the EMT go.

That is what I have been talking about. He WAS placed under arrest. The Trooper walked up to the EMT and said, quite clearly, "You are under arrest...". At that time, the Trooper put his hands on the EMT and began to take him into custody. The EMT resisted and assaulted the Trooper.

The Trooper screwed up when he let him go. You cannot "un-arrest" someone. Only the courts can do that. If I put my hands on you, you are going in cuffs. The Trooper opened the door to a myriad of problems when he let the EMT go.

Yeah thats what I was getting at.....he kind of painted himself into a corner by not arresting him. Although then again....what would the initial arrest have been for? Failure to yield?

From all the statements I have read, the EMT in the back was being arrested for obstruction. The trooper said this right after the EMT informed him they had a patient in the back they were transporting, and they could continue this at the hospital. He (EMT) then told his partner to listen to him, and they did not have time for this now.

Disclaimer: I have not read or heard the troopers side of this dispute, my info comes from the EMT reports, and witness statements.

Biased view ?

How is believing that public safety is ensured through proper training and execution of proper action a biased viewpoint against police? I think it is your viewpoint that is biased. It seems as if a person who becomes aggravated and lashes out against another person, it is an assault. Unless of course it's a police officer, then it's merely the other person's fault for resisting. But whether you're a law enforcement officer, or buff… it doesn't matter no one can argue that the police have any right at all to violate the law, break the chain of command or endanger any citizen.
Perhaps the way I present my view is not particularly in favor of the actions of the trooper, but I very clearly stated, this was my opinion based only on what facts and information was available by news media.
My viewpoint on police and all levels of the criminal justice and overall justice system, is one of concern. But he did not feel that this incident would be something that should be addressed to the whole criminal justice system. More appropriately the whole criminal justice system should learn from this. What I would like to get across is that the trooper should probably learn to manage emotional responses to incidence. This is probably true for the paramedic as well.
What struck me as clearly evident was the fact that the trooper had enough time to clear the call he was on and find the same ambulance still en route to the hospital. What could have been so important that the trooper was that worked up about? I don't know the answer to that question, all I know is that the ambulance was still carrying a patient.
Making a public spectacle of interagency difficulty, is absolutely unacceptable, again for both sides. I grant you (again) that my viewpoints are only speculation and only to be observable facts, and stories reported.
No matter what, it is essential that public safety personnel, regardless of their type of agency, understand we are meant to serve the greater good of our community. It is a difficult enough task for all public safety & emergency responders to do their jobs, without infighting or interagency “scuffles”.

Originally Posted by GeorgeWendtCFI

Let me ask you a question. Based on your biased view of the law and your complete lack of respect for police officers, would your FF be permitted to resist a lawful arrest? Remember, this was (until the officer let him go) a lawful arrest-see post above.

Give our thoughts and prayers for our brothers. May we honor them by learning how to keep others safe while we remember their dedication, sacrifices and heroic efforts...
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Mitchell Donovan
Battalion Chief
Onesquethaw VFC

I think it is your viewpoint that is biased. It seems as if a person who becomes aggravated and lashes out against another person, it is an assault.

FWIW, the from nolo.com:

Assault: A crime that occurs when one person tries to physically harm another in a way that makes the person under attack feel immediately threatened. Actual physical contact is not necessary; threatening gestures that would alarm any reasonable person can constitute an assault.

FWIW, the from nolo.com:Assault: A crime that occurs when one person tries to physically harm another in a way that makes the person under attack feel immediately threatened. Actual physical contact is not necessary; threatening gestures that would alarm any reasonable person can constitute an assault.

Give our thoughts and prayers for our brothers. May we honor them by learning how to keep others safe while we remember their dedication, sacrifices and heroic efforts...
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Mitchell Donovan
Battalion Chief
Onesquethaw VFC

Please post one of my posts, just one, where I said the Trooper did nothing wrong. Let me help you. There are none.

I have posted clearly the many areas the Troopers were wrong. I refuse to characterize what started this incident because there is an unknown portion of this incident that occurred prior to the Pts. son rolling the cell phone cam. But the Troopers did plenty wrong.

The Medic was wrong, too. This was, despite your militia propaganda, was a lawful arrest. As I have posted earlier, a lawful arrest is not judged by the ultimate guilt or innocence of the arrestee. Unless new information comes to light, the Trooper was a) in his jurisdiction, b) was acting in the course of his duties, c) advised the Medic he was under arrest, d) advised the charge the Medic would be charged with and e) attempted to place him into custody using appropriate techniques. Yes, the Trooper let him go. That was a huge mistake. But a person cannot resist arrest simply because they say the arrest was unlawful. As I posted previously, I never arrested anyone who believed I was making a lawful arrest.

Now, bigmouth, post one post where I said the Troopers did nothing wrong. We'll be waiting anxiously.

They haven't released the dash cam, but the MEDIC they are arresting is inside the ambulance. You clearly see him going in the back door and closing it roughly 15 seconds passes, the medic is still inside. Next thing is the officer standing there saying he is under arrest. WTF!!!. I'm not sure the medic did anything wrong, and that video certainly doesn't show it. If the medic assaulted one of the troopers he should have been arrested immediately, not some 30 seconds later after they had a chance to make up a story.

Personally, I didn't see the Medics doing anything wrong. We can't have these idiots with badges running around making arbitrary arrest for traffic violations. This is non-senses.

Unless new information comes to light, the Trooper was a) in his jurisdiction, b) was acting in the course of his duties, c) advised the Medic he was under arrest, d) advised the charge the Medic would be charged with and e) attempted to place him into custody using appropriate techniques.

If the statement of the medic that I read is even remotely true, this officer was certainly not acting in the course of his duties. I'd wager the reason the medic wasn't ultimately arrested was because they knew damn well there was no valid reason to do so, and the ******bag rookie trooper got orders from someone higher up armed with a little common sense, not just adrenaline and a lousy attitude.

If the statement of the medic that I read is even remotely true, this officer was certainly not acting in the course of his duties. I'd wager the reason the medic wasn't ultimately arrested was because they knew damn well there was no valid reason to do so, and the ******bag rookie trooper got orders from someone higher up armed with a little common sense, not just adrenaline and a lousy attitude.

******bag comment aside, you are no doubt correct about some cooler heads prevailed somewhere. But the only way the State can get out of a heap of trouble is to charge the Medic, and have the matter heard in court. If they don't charge him, the Trooper is absolutely screwed.

But the arrest was lawful-if he had made it properly-was lawful. He announced the Medic was under arrest-plainly and clearly. The charge he was arrested for was a misdemeanor (I think), and the Trooper has the discretion to make an arrest for the offense. Guilt or innocence is irelevant in determining whether it was lawful.

Whatsa matter Marcus-cat got your fingers? I am waiting for your posts where I said the Trooper did nothing wrong.

I don't think he could have made it properly. I think that once the officer let himself move into the realm of rage over rational thinking, he was damned either way.

******bag comment aside, you are no doubt correct about some cooler heads prevailed somewhere.

Nah...this guy lost his head and ******d right the hell out from the very start. From what I can tell, he didn't do a single thing the right way. That patient's care and welfare trumped any hurt feelings suffered by any rookie with more badge than brains.

Nah...this guy lost his head and ******d right the hell out from the very start. From what I can tell, he didn't do a single thing the right way. That patient's care and welfare trumped any hurt feelings suffered by any rookie with more badge than brains.

Once I see or hear about the dash cam contents, I will probably agree with you.