So like 5 maybe 10 rap albums and just TWO metal albums? Sabbath invents a genre, gets 45, Metallica at 54? No Slayer? No Iron Maiden? Van Halen just gets 27? If ANYBODY gets to complain about this list, it's metal heads.

TheJoe03:John Buck 41: They could actually, y'know....sing. And quite well.

F*ck rap and hip/hop.

Damn that rapping! Why can't they just sing and fit in to my narrow view of music? It's impossible to be talented at rapping and lyricism, I mean anyone could do it. I bet John Buck could rap like Nas or the guys in Wu-Tang, it's so easy! Right?

/never been into country, but I don't disparage the whole genre because I'm not an idiot.//I understand people that hate subgenres, but hating a broad genre like hip-hop (or anything) makes you sound either really old or really ignorant.

Full disclosure---I have the soundtrack to He Got Gameby Public Enemy and like it.

TheJoe03:Lorelle: Subby is correct. Hendrix should have been #1, and the rap shiat doesn't even belong on the list.

Only rock counts, huh? Moron.

Anyone who thinks that gangbangers and other lowlifes who yammer endlessly about biatches and hoes and killing cops (because they sure as heck CAN'T SING), STEAL music from REAL artists because they can't write their own tunes, and can't play musical instruments are on the same level as people who can actually write music, play an instrument, and carry a tune is a moran, IMHO.

I find it amusing that some of you actually pay to see these people stand on a stage and do nothing but cuss and throw stupid gang signs. Will you be willing to shell out $$$ to see them do the same thing thirty years from now?

steamingpile:Paleorific: Top ten are all worthy. If you are not familiar with those albums... sorry. My fave of the top 10 is Horses. Not only in my top ten debut albums but I would put Gloria in the top ten of Debut songs on debut albums. Least favorite of thir top 10 would be GnR.

Then you hate blues rock, GnR's debut is one of the greatest albums of all time, beginning to end its one of the few albums you don't skip any track. There are better albums than kanyes and a few others in the top 10, they just put them there to placate the rap crowd.

No, not at all, I did not say I did not like it, just convincing me it is anywhere near top ten is tough.

Lorelle:Anyone who thinks that gangbangers and other lowlifes who yammer endlessly about biatches and hoes and killing cops (because they sure as heck CAN'T SING), STEAL music from REAL artists because they can't write their own tunes, and can't play musical instruments are on the same level as people who can actually write music, play an instrument, and carry a tune is a moran, IMHO.

I find it amusing that some of you actually pay to see these people stand on a stage and do nothing but cuss and throw stupid gang signs. Will you be willing to shell out $$$ to see them do the same thing thirty years from now?

Good job proving how ignorant you are of hip-hop culture, honestly. Plenty of rappers write about topics not related to disparaging women and promoting violence. Calling sampling "stealing" is pretty amusing to me for someone to say that in 2013 (you know the laws now right?). As for the musical aspect of the genre, you show yourself to be another ignorant old classic rock fan with a narrow mind about electronic based music. Production isn't easy, have you even tried to make a beat of any kind? BTW, have you heard of the Roots? They have set a trend where rappers now have backing bands at live shows, so again you show your musical ignorance.

Considering that hip-hop is about 30 years old, I say yes I would spend money to watch a classic hip hop group. As for watching people throw up gang signs, the only rappers I like that did that were NWA, Tupac, and Snoop Dogg. Basically you are the Republican of music fans. Very conservative, very old fashioned, unwilling to learn about new music, unable to understand new music, and you view hip hop in a very stereotypical fashion and you don't even have any basic knowledge of the music or culture.

TheJoe03:Good job proving how ignorant you are of hip-hop culture, honestly...

Dude, I specifically referred to rap. Pay attention. Lauryn Hill can actually sing every now and then.

I was in high school when Rapper's Delight was released in the late 1970s. The music was stolen ("sampled" is nothing but a euphemism for "stolen;" stop pretending that it isn't) from Chic's "Good Times."

As for the musical aspect of the genre, you show yourself to be another ignorant old classic rock fan with a narrow mind about electronic based music. Production isn't easy, have you even tried to make a beat of any kind? BTW, have you heard of the Roots? They have set a trend where rappers now have backing bands at live shows, so again you show your musical ignorance.

Oh jeez, here's another kid who thinks that electronic music didn't start until the 21st century. FYI: electronic instruments date back to the 1920s.

I can produce a beat right here at my desk, by stomping on the floor or kicking the desk. It's not difficult. I've no doubt I could easily stomp on the floor AND cuss at the same time if I really felt the need to do so.

As for The Roots, I saw them perform at a jazz festival a few years ago with Betty Wright. She was awesome. One dude's yammering ruined the music, though.

You can put a band on a stage with yer average no-talent rapper, and it still won't change the fact that the rapper can't sing, can't write music, and can't play an instrument, just as putting a pile of shiat in a fancy box doesn't make it any less shiatty.

Hell, even Cheech y Chong's Blind Melon Chitlin has more talent than the average rapper.

Lorelle:Oh jeez, here's another kid who thinks that electronic music didn't start until the 21st century. FYI: electronic instruments date back to the 1920s.

I can produce a beat right here at my desk, by stomping on the floor or kicking the desk. It's not difficult. I've no doubt I could easily stomp on the floor AND cuss at the same time if I really felt the need to do so.

As for The Roots, I saw them perform at a jazz festival a few years ago with Betty Wright. She was awesome. One dude's yammering ruined the music, though.

You can put a band on a stage with yer average no-talent rapper, and it still won't change the fact that the rapper can't sing, can't write music, and can't play an instrument, just as putting a pile of shiat in a fancy box doesn't make it any less shiatty.

Hell, even Cheech y Chong's Blind Melon Chitlin has more talent than the average rapper.

Oh well, can't teach an old dog new tricks I guess.

/producing a beat for a record is the same as stomping on the floor to Lorelle, damn she's so knowledgeable about music!//still waiting for Boomers to die off and let us progress in peace///electronic music (as a genre) started in the late 70s/early 80s with disco, electro, house, techno and all that. Who think's it started in 2001?////you don't really know shiat about music, but it's okay.

TheJoe03:/producing a beat for a record is the same as stomping on the floor to Lorelle, damn she's so knowledgeable about music!//still waiting for Boomers to die off and let us progress in peace///electronic music (as a genre) started in the late 70s/early 80s with disco, electro, house, techno and all that. Who think's it started in 2001?////you don't really know shiat about music, but it's okay.

Knowledgeable enough to know that electronic music didn't start in the late 1970s. Ever hear of Switched-On-Bach? That album was HUGE in 1968.

Lorelle:Knowledgeable enough to know that electronic music didn't start in the late 1970s. Ever hear of Switched-On-Bach? That album was HUGE in 1968

Yes and people have rapping for hundreds of years, that didn't mean hip hop or rap was a genre back then. It's like MC5, would you call them punk just because they had the attributes? No, it was proto-punk that set the stage to the genre actually being realized. The whole electronic and DJ scene was not really a thing in the 60s, it was people experimenting with new technology that led to electronic music becoming a genre. You know Jill Scott Heron, right? Are you going to call him a rapper just because he was proto-rap and set the stage. Would scat artists people considered hip hop artists as well? You're just being obtuse at this point.

You have almost have no knowledge of the genre or who is considered talented within it, so your opinion of it is pretty irrelevant. It is basically the last real innovation in music in the last 30 years. The instrumental aspect of it has had a massive influence on production and has always had a more futuristic vibe than rock has had in the last 30. Rapping is now considered a legit vocal form, and rapping at its finest is harder to write than any rock song. You wouldn't know that because you don't know shiat about hip hop culture because you are old, ignorant, and out of touch.

pimpnutz:Lorelle I'd love to see you put together 16 cohesive bars that rhyme and fit them to a beat that you produced yourself. sure, theres no talent involved at all..

She has her mind made up and she's content living in the distant past. I'd love to hear her attempt at rap, just imagine how terrible it would be. Oh and the beat would probably suck hard, even if she knew production.

It just amazes me how ignorant people can be. Just because the nonsense you hear on the radio is so watered down and horrible doesn't mean there aren't a million great artists out there doing the genre justice. educate yourself before you make such heavy comments.

pimpnutz:Lorelle I'd love to see you put together 16 cohesive bars that rhyme and fit them to a beat that you produced yourself. sure, theres no talent involved at all..

What's so difficult about yelling "YOU A STUPID HOE" 16 times in a row while kicking my desk??

I do have a keyboard and a violin (and a piano at my mom's house). It won't take more than a few seconds to get a beat going on said keyboard (right now, I'm partial to bossa nova). I could also steal, er, "sample" some music that's currently in my collection, create a 3-minute long repetitive loop of said music, and then cuss over it. No special talent required.

TheJoe03:Yes and people have rapping for hundreds of years, that didn't mean hip hop or rap was a genre back then. It's like MC5, would you call them punk just because they had the attributes? No, it was proto-punk that set the stage to the genre actually being realized. The whole electronic and DJ scene was not really a thing in the 60s, it was people experimenting with new technology that led to electronic music becoming a genre. You know Jill Scott Heron, right? Are you going to call him a rapper just because he was proto-rap and set the stage. Would scat artists people considered hip hop artists as well? You're just being obtuse at this point.

Oh Jeez Louise.

First of all, there were other groups that were doing punk-like stuff years before MC5, such as The Music Machine and The Seeds (check out Talk Talk and Pushin' Too Hard). Second, it's GIL Scott-Heron, not Jill. He didn't steal others' music, either. And you claim to be soooo knowledgeable about music...

Lorelle:First of all, there were other groups that were doing punk-like stuff years before MC5, such as The Music Machine and The Seeds (check out Talk Talk and Pushin' Too Hard). Second, it's GIL Scott-Heron, not Jill. He didn't steal others' music, either. And you claim to be soooo knowledgeable about music...

kab:Interesting list, since them all being debut albums is a twist. And as with most lists, it's rather lacking.

You include Kill 'Em All, but leave out Show No Mercy by Slayer?You include Tidal, but leave out Little Earthquakes?

And this comment made me giggle:#26: A rap album? The idea was esoteric back in 1984,

Not really. In fact, this duo was rather dull and predictable to listen to compared to their contemporaries back then.

Finally, lots of game changers are listed lower on the list than bands that won't be remembered a decade from now. Boston, Black Sabbath, and Pearl Jam debuts should be higher on the list, for example.

Show No Mercy was nothing compared to Hell Awaits. There were actually several bands I'd never heard of on the list, but my entire musical knowledge has just a tiny bit of smattering of 60's and early 70's that was absorbed via pop culture, more than anything else, considering that my parents grew up in the 40's and 50's, and me in the 80's and 90's.

You have almost have no knowledge of the genre or who is considered talented within it, so your opinion of it is pretty irrelevant. It is basically the last real innovation in music in the last 30 years. The instrumental aspect of it has had a massive influence on production and has always had a more futuristic vibe than rock has had in the last 30. Rapping is now considered a legit vocal form, and rapping at its finest is harder to write than any rock song. You wouldn't know that because you don't know shiat about hip hop culture because you are old, ignorant, and out of touch.

Normally I would stay out of this argument because I don't have that strong an opinion either way. That, regardless of how atonal and absurd many things some people miscategorize as 'music'But this, "you don't know shiat about hip hop culture ". Really? You're seriously going to try to assertculturenow? Are you farking kidding me? Is a cultural rite of passage piercing your ear drums?

Asserting culture for hip-hop is seriously farking ridiculous. That's like calling the latest stupid teen craze culture. Hip-hop music is no more culture than snap bracelets or tamagotchi. They can congratulate each other and give each other awards and accolades for puking to autotune and synth drums all they want and I could really care less. I don't have to listen to it so I really don't care if anyone else does or whether or not they enjoy it.

You could call it a literary movement or artistic tradition even, that at least has SOME accuracy. You could say that hip-hop is like Dada, although pretty sure punk already fits that description.

/So I guess that makes Rap the new beatniks?//Rhyming and sounding stupid to everyone who's not stoned?///slashies for mostly joking about the beatnik part

Oh no, I see it quite clearly. You're hell-bent on insisting that lame, disposable tripe is something special. It isn't. Even bubblegum music, as annoying as it is, is better (and I wouldn't be surprised to find that some rapper has already "sampled" Sugar Sugar, Chewy Chewy, or Yummy Yummy Yummy).

I forgot to mention in my previous comment that Scott-Heron could also sing.