Forget the windup, althou7g I ahve not met aleft student for a while if you want to PM me what U do and what sort of job u are looking for I hire alot of grads for John holland if that is in your field.

Maybe I can give you a leg up.

Ur call

I fed that into babel fish for a translation and my computer started to smoke

Richard

my son sends SMSs to me in plain english, and to his mates in pure gibberish

You've done a beautiful job there with the all of the components. I like the way you got the parts you knew would be interchangeable to cleaner newer components in the near future.

Update us when you ride her and let us all know how she goes.

As for the saga of crogs John Holland ramblings...i translated it as, he was ripping "someone" off as being a uni student, thought he had made a wrong assumption about there employment and then offered them a job in his industry of John Holland to give them a leg up and into an ever growing industry.

Thats what i got .

But nice ride.

Mitch.

SOME PEOPLE ARE LIKE SLINKYS. NOT REALLY GOOD FOR ANYTHING BUT THEY BRING A SMILE TO YOUR FACE WHEN PUSHED DOWN THE STAIRS.

I took Enzo up to Paul Hillbrick today to reset his rearstays - which took all of 5 minutes, but that's the difference between having the tools to do it rather than a chair and a piece of wood.
Paul's workshop was a bit topsy-turvy (he's in the middle of re-arranging it). This is the 'dirty' bit, because it's next to the tube cutting / welding area.
We also went through my bike setup to see how well my guess work compares to a more measured approach. According to Paul, this is what my bike setup should look like.
The main difference between this setup and how I had the girlie bike setup (which I'd imitated the best I could on Enzo) is that the seat is slightly lower and set back a bit. I've got all of the measurements, so I can repeat it on any bike. In traditional frames, I'm almost '56 cm square', and most could be setup to fit me, but I'm better off starting with a shorter top tube. I'll let you know how it feels after I've ridden it - I'm in the middle of putting everything back on at the moment, so I'd better stop this and get back to it.

Oops, I almost forgot.
I talked with Paul about the Tange Infinity thing. He used it because of it gave him the chance to offer a frame that closely matched the performance and weight of Tange #2 at a significantly lower price. That's why Tange introduced its 'non-numbered' tubesets - they align with the numbered sets in terms of performance and weight, but are cheaper.

LuckyPierre wrote:Oops, I almost forgot.I talked with Paul about the Tange Infinity thing. He used it because of it gave him the chance to offer a frame that closely matched the performance and weight of Tange #2 at a significantly lower price. That's why Tange introduced its 'non-numbered' tubesets - they align with the numbered sets in terms of performance and weight, but are cheaper.

I have a Tange Mangaloy 2001 DB Manganese steel frame (Yamaguchi Sports Frame on another sticker on frame) any idea what this would equate to with Tange numbered tubesets or other brands?

Paul Hillbrick is in Sydney isn't he? What did he charge to reset the rear stays?

531db wrote:The angle of your handlebars is interesting Peter. How do you get comfortable on the drops with them pointing just about straight to the ground?

'tis an optical illusion.
I'm no fan of 'anatomic' bars (but that's what eBay threw up) at the best of times, but even I can't accuse them of that. I'll see how they are tomorrow - we're heading out the Monaro Highway for an hour or two.

This post, although I can't vouch for it, is interesting - it's a pity that Infinity isn't on there.
Then I had another thought - I know, it's a dangerous business - and look at this. It's worth clicking on the '85th' logo to see what Tange think a bike can be like.

Tange Infinity was/is an attempt by Tange to produce a quality tubeset cheaper than the seamless mandrel and die drawn tubing such as their own Tange Champion (1,2,3,4,5) range and their topline Tange Prestige. (Reynolds 753/653/531 and Columbus SL/SLX etc were/are also seamless tubing.

How Infinity differed was that it was made by rolling and welding chrome moly sheet and welding the seam to form tubing. Previously this had been considered for 'cheap' tubing only, but the process Tange developed and used made the tubing effectively 'seamless' in terms of strength and quality.

US made True Temper tubing also was made this way and Greg Lemond used this on his Lemond bikes, so effectively high tech seamed tubing became regarded as being the the equal of drawn seamless tubing.

Infinity has a similar wall thickness and strength to Columbus SL and I doubt anybody could really tell the difference in performance. After all, brand names aside, they are metalugically both 4130 chrome moly steel, butted, although Infinity does use a double butted seat tube, rather than Columbus and Reynolds more usual single butt.

Built by somebody like Paul Hillbrick, it should be a lovely frame.

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