Plus, I love the Ratboy avatar - that alone earns you a follow no matter what you say about Trek

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It was too technobabble, not even epicness or mythical tropes to it, and it didn't have John williams, 21st century mozart, music to it......

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This makes even less sense than the Katy Perry post - plus I asked the question of Jinn-N-Tonic.

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How does it make no sense? Star Trek isn't as epic and dramatic as Star Wars. I'm a warsie not a trekkie...

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There was no technobabble in the new movie, it was epic, Star Trek was never about mysticism, John Williams is irrelevant as he has never worked on a Trek project, and Williams is not a 21st century Mozart for several reasons, chief among them being that the majority of his work is in the 20th century and he is not Mozart - Mozart is Mozart and John Williams is John Williams - both are different, unique talents that stand tall in their own right and deserve to be treated as such and not be compared to anyone else.

No one should. Everybody is there own person.

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Ok, nitpicker. He was in the 20th century. Big deal. WOW! I apologize for making such a bad mistake.

What does mysticism have to do with this?

Exactly. John williams never worked on Star trek, I know that already.

I think both have their respective places as being this large, incredible thing, but I would have to say that Star Wars has had the biggest impact out of the two. I adore both of them. I'm a trekie from way back, but I would have to say that Star Wars has the bigger staying power. Star Trek has had multi-films and tv series and books, but it hasn't had anything really happening with it in the last few years. Star Wars has never stopped having new things happening with it for 35 years.

With Star Wars, Lucas took these mythological tropes, condensed them, and repackaged them for modern audiences. He used the relatively new medium of cinema and the narrative structure of an adventure serial. A New Hope is an analogue both to Flash Gordon (lasers, spaceships, action, exotic locations) and to an Arthurian myth (magic swords, princesses in castles, wizards, good and evil).This, incidentally, is why the Star Wars movies have proven to be so hard to imitate. Just watch a knockoff like The Last Starfighter or the recentStar Trek. They nail the feeling of adventure, but the mythic core is absent. Star Wars struck a nerve like no other movie in history, and it did it through deep truths, not surface theatrics.

With Star Wars, Lucas took these mythological tropes, condensed them, and repackaged them for modern audiences. He used the relatively new medium of cinema and the narrative structure of an adventure serial. A New Hope is an analogue both to Flash Gordon (lasers, spaceships, action, exotic locations) and to an Arthurian myth (magic swords, princesses in castles, wizards, good and evil).This, incidentally, is why the Star Wars movies have proven to be so hard to imitate. Just watch a knockoff like The Last Starfighter or the recentStar Trek. They nail the feeling of adventure, but the mythic core is absent. Star Wars struck a nerve like no other movie in history, and it did it through deep truths, not surface theatrics.

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the original Star Trek series, Star Trek ! to VI, DS9, and the new Star Trek.

as to the "mythological tropes" , I think I said this already, that Star Trek isn't about wizards, magic swords, etc. so this doesn't apply

I liked both Star Trek and Star Wars.... However I hated the last Star Trek movie which is why I don't want JJ Abrams anywhere near Star Wars.

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What did you hate about it?

Plus, I love the Ratboy avatar - that alone earns you a follow no matter what you say about Trek

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I have nothing against the Trek fans that liked the Abrams reboot but for me, I've been following Trek just as long... if not longer than Star Wars. I watched and follow every TV series and movie for over 35 years and this movie screwed up and totally eliminated everything from the original series to The Next Generation, DS9 and Voyager from canon/existence. Now those TV series and movies never existed because Nero went back in time and altered everything.

Also, I have a hard time accepting anyone but the Shat in the role of Kirk.

Also I thought it was too too far fetched for Kirk getting promoted from cadet to Captain.

I know that Trek has been stale for the last 5 years under Rick Berman's leadership and he needed to go. However, I would have rather Trek get a revamp instead of a reboot.

but for me, I've been following Trek just as long... if not longer than Star Wars. I watched and follow every TV series and movie for over 35 years and this movie screwed up and totally eliminated everything from the original series to The Next Generation, DS9 and Voyager from canon/existence. Now those TV series and movies never existed because Nero went back in time and altered everything.

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I get what your saying - that "in universe" it changed things - but ultimately what does that matter really?
The various series, movies, books etc. are still there for you to enjoy.

Trek was dead - I don't think it was ever coming back in any form, until this team took over.

I know that Trek has been stale for the last 5 years under Rick Berman's leadership and he needed to go. However, I would have rather Trek get a revamp instead of a reboot.

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Longer than that - I watched every episode and movie of TNG - and being perfectly honest the series accomplished absolutely nothing (and what the heck did they do to the Borg) - Voyager I never even bother with after season 3 (never understood how the ship had endless resources for hull maintenance after every battle ), Enterprise was decent (proper Trek, but the time war was ridiculous, of course they killed it the season it found its path, and DS9 - now that was one fantasic show, every character engaging and fully utilised, seven seasons and only one "meh" episode - awesome - and of it would the underdog of the franchise.

Something had to be done to revive the franchise - people thought, new show, new characters, further into the future - but nothing ever happened and no one wanted it.

I say give the guy at Paramount who thought JJ Abrams and the rest should have a crack at it a raise

Two questions there. Biggest franchise is Star Wars by the length if the Kessel run. I would bet that more people have paid to see A New Hope alone than all of the Star Trek films put together.

Impact on the culture. Both have been huge but I'd still put Star Wars ahead.

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The impact on culture is big with Trek also, that is being understated here. Trek has an older audience, and is more of a TV show than a movie series; so I don't know how meaningful comparisons of movie audiences are (although I think this is again overstated here regarding ANH). An older audience is less likely to buy toys, video games, etc.
Yes, Star Wars is bigger, but let's not get carried away.

Two questions there. Biggest franchise is Star Wars by the length if the Kessel run. I would bet that more people have paid to see A New Hope alone than all of the Star Trek films put together.

Impact on the culture. Both have been huge but I'd still put Star Wars ahead.

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The impact on culture is big with Trek also, that is being understated here. Trek has an older audience, and is more of a TV show than a movie series; so I don't know how meaningful comparisons of movie audiences are (although I think this is again overstated here regarding ANH). An older audience is less likely to buy toys, video games, etc.
Yes, Star Wars is bigger, but let's not get carried away.

Two questions there. Biggest franchise is Star Wars by the length if the Kessel run. I would bet that more people have paid to see A New Hope alone than all of the Star Trek films put together.

Impact on the culture. Both have been huge but I'd still put Star Wars ahead.

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The impact on culture is big with Trek also, that is being understated here. Trek has an older audience, and is more of a TV show than a movie series; so I don't know how meaningful comparisons of movie audiences are (although I think this is again overstated here regarding ANH). An older audience is less likely to buy toys, video games, etc.
Yes, Star Wars is bigger, but let's not get carried away.

How many of the Star Trek films had admissions close to 35.7 million. Star Trek 2/Star Trek 4/Star Trek 8/Star Trek 11 possiblmaybe- the others no way near.

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All stats can disputed, yes, but that comparison is only one small aspect of what I was saying. Trek is a TV show with an older audience, Star Wars a movie series with a younger audience (thus selling a lot of toys and video games). Basing the cultural impact on sales of toys, games,and movies distorts the comparison. Trek has a strong cultural hook in America, it just isn't geared toward children like Star Wars.

They are both big but lets be honest here, you could go up to anyone and asked them if they know what Star War is and they will say yes, if they like it or not they know what it is. If you do the same thing with Star Trek you would get a lot of yes answers but at the same time many no answers. Star Trek started as a TV show and later became films. Where as Star Wars was a film to begin with and grew from there. Not to mention that there are significantly more games with Star Wars which is one of the major pass times of youth today. Star Trek is comming back into the spot light with the new film and upcomming sequel. I was raised on both Star Wars and Star Trek but I know that none of my friends get as excited about Star Trek as they do Star Wars. We are avid participants in May 25th anaversary of the first Star Wars film.