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Thursday, October 18, 2012

4 die in Nuevo Laredo gunfight

By Chris Covert
Rantburg.com

Four unidentified armed suspects were killed Thursday in an armed confrontation in the Mexican border city of Nuevo Laredo, according to Mexican news reports.

A news report appearing Thursday evening on the website of El Sol de Mexico said that a unit of the Mexican 8th Military Zone encountered armed suspects travelling aboard a vehicle on Bulevar Aeropuerto in Voluntad y Trabajo colony at around 0930 Thursday morning.

Army gunfire killed four suspects. A tota lof four rifles, undisclosed quantities of weapons magazines and ammunition were seized as well as one vehicles.

According to a news item posted on the website of Milenio news daily Thursday night, the four dead were identified as escapees from the Piedras Negras, Coahuila Centro Readaptacion Social (CERESO) prison, which took place last month. A total of 132 inmates, reportedly members of the Los Zetas criminal gang, escaped. A total of 104 inmates remain at large.

Chris Covert writes Mexican Drug War and national political news for Rantburg.com

You know everyday I want to cross the border more and more. It seems life is so hopeless when these people can blow a baby girls head off while their marine dad is holding her with his wife by his side. When they can Torture people even women and children for hours days even weeks just because they feel like it or because their distant relative is involved. Here is a country that had one of the brightest futures with so many natural recourses look at it now the curruption at every level most girls raped before 18 children that can't even play outside past 4pm because the risk of kidnapping and stray bullets. This is barely the beginning of the trouble think of all the children that are growing up completely psychotic from the daily abuse anger and fear they live in what a terrible society it is going to be when these children grow up beating their kids raping young girls murdering for fun because its in their mind already they don't know how to act. I hate everyday I live on this earth. A generation is destroyed so 16 men can live like royalty. What has happened to us and leave god and the end of the world out of it I mean what has happened to us as a "civilized form of life" every year something bad or dangerous becomes okay now and it just makes the next thing seem less worse. And all people want to do is pull out their 2000 year old bible and call it prophesy?? No that is a sick excuse that means we have no control therefore cannot be held accountable. We are more than accountable for letting the government dictate what we can teach our children, how we discipline them etc. it all starts with discipline or lack there of. These elementary kids smoking drinking doing drugs, HAVING SEX! When I was in elementary I didn't even know what my penis was for now these kids are jacking off and it's just natural having sex oh they just don't know better. No we need to start taking back control it starts with the kids and we can't let them down because we've been let down. We together can make a difference

@10:32 You sound insane. I agree with some of the sentiment, but you seem to be seizing on the wrong things. Violence has been around since sex has...forever. Mexico's problems are due to corruption. Every generation thinks its is the most depraved and immoral...perhaps they are all right. If you are worried about the innocence of the world being preserved, maybe you should read the Bible. There is nothing wrong with Biblical principles; in fact they have done the world much good in spite of the derision which religion tends to cause. Bottom line, what in the hell are you going to do aside from bitch on a message board? If you want to help, donate money to a charity for impoverished Mexicans, or even better be vocal about your disgust of the state of affairs in Mexico to someone who matters...politicians etc. Getting caught up in the semantics of this or that does nothing.

I didn't mean to offend bible followers, I just think that prophesy is a cop out. I think that the bible stories were meant as examples for everyday life and not exact truth verbatim. I started coming on this site because of bestgore I like the violent gore, but you start to realize everyday 12 killed 300 in mass grave 72 migrants murdered, buss full of people myrdered for no reason police chief killed mayor killed presidential candidate attacked, it's sickening, you realize that this isn't even news it's life. You think to yourself if this is how things are today and every "gente nueve" is more violent and nonsensical, how are things going to be for our children?? Zetas and Sinaloa are already running Texas and California heavily, what's going to happen when all the brains are gone and the new kids bring that mess to our doorstep?? This is bad and a lot of people have labored hard to make this disaster a reality.

That phony white people god has no place in this. We have to believe in our selfs and our planet earth to try to make earth better. Believing in a God is like believing in gov. Ha they even apreviate the same. They never do shit. Well cuz they are there to keep sum men in charge. God is us. People tell us to believe in something bigger so we can keep our potential surrpresed

It's true ask any person why they are of faith and they say well because I was taught this way I totally agree with the basic principals of the bible on like the fruits of the spirit but after that it kind of spins off into the worlds first Jerry Springer show. If man (people) would put half of the trust they claim to have in God in eachother, we'd be astonished how much better things would be and how far we'd come

I don't think that was the comandante the comandante was I believe a police commander who was protecting kidnappers. The one they beat to death was a low level operator that was giving information ill post it in translation for youEl ?

Yea it's not the commander but one of his low to mid level operators from what I understand this "comandante" is of the police BUT also a cartel member and being that he is a cartel member everyone under his command is a cartel member knowingly or unknowingly. I hope he ends up being disarmed like the other commander not too long ago when his colleagues found out found him in a hotel room with drugs and money.

What is your name?Víctor Hugo Sánchez CarilloWhat is your responsibilities?KidnappingWhere do you do these things?Torreón, Gómez y LerdoWho protects you from the federal police?Comandante ArguelloWhere is Arguello from?SinaloaWho protects you from the commander of Torreon?Juan ValdezWhat is Arguellos role In this? He protects us inside the Poniente sectorWhy do you need protection?So we can kidnap in peace (protected)What do you mean "in peace"? (Added for understanding)Because of the authorities being so strict. If we were to kidnap alone we would most likely get caught or end up in a shoot out, and the authorities are well trained. Then at the end the man says

-This is the same thing that is going to happen to all the kidnappers, and the federal police who protect them under comandante Arguellos command.

I just want to add that if you translate what I wrote it will be completely wrong from the exact wording of the video, but I changed the wording and added words so that it would be easy and smooth to read in English. But it means the exact same thing in Spanish. Hope it helps. El ?

I'm glad it seems like we're coming in for for these m-fer's final act!

One might notice that most of the the cartels have one thing in common: they are regional (as they had traditionally been); they stick to their area of dominion (defined by generational, familial and [by extension] political relationships; the further away you get from home base, the less people you know and know you). With one glaring exception: z.

If this band of sewer rats wanted to "elbow their way" a piece of the action, they were going to have to build their national network with the crepa that no other group would take. The rejects; the undesirables; even among criminals, the shit they were forced to recruit came from the lowest strata of society. No discipline for what had always been the code among organizations like these because, well, ...they needed to make a statement.

I remember the exaggerated maps showing their areas of influence; when that area was really between Monterrey and Nuevo Laredo (unless you want to count the rural areas where only the jackrabbit and armadillos were there to be influenced).

And of course, the idiots made a move for the crown jewel above all others due to its truck traffic: Nuevo Laredo. And that upset the balance everywhere else, in the east.

They're still going to be able to suck some blood out of the people in the area; but they're coming for you, chiquititos. I can't wait for the immolation videos!!! Goodie!!!

Then the rest of the groups can think about parting the country as it had been, traditionally. That's the only way some peace will come to this situation; out of group's mutual self-interest. No government brokered "truce" talk or anything of the sort!

10:32 pm,save the bullshit! You knew this was going on all along. The drug cartels were operating with total impunity. And your corrupt government was getting their share....until calderon shoved it up their ass...but now you had enough? You want to cross the border? You want a handout? The shit had to hit the fan sometime,and you want to blame everyone else....you turned a blind eye to this all those years and now you want to run!! Do you want pity ? It's time for you to stay in mx and fight back and show the cartels what a lifelong coward can really do!!

I don't think 10:32 is Mexican..I much less think he wants a handout,to cross the border or your ignorant pity.

Q - what are you going to do now that the majority of cartels are operating in the US?Their are cartel related deaths here in Dallas tx all the time but never reported by the local media. Why do you think that is?

Well that was totally unnecessary I think it's obvious not only by my grammar but by sever key words in my comment that I am American. What I meant was I want to cross into Mexico to do something instead of sitting safe in the US complaining. And as far as the people in Mexico your so vocal about knowing and doing nothing. What are you suppose to do when they are government insured?? When they operate in total immunity and complaining will only get a police man to harm you the victim did you not see what happend to the women. Who spoke out about her daughters murder? They caught the killer twice he confessed to killing her IN COURT and they let him go and killed the mother. Or the mountain village that fought back and an entire family of 40 was slaughtered. If you want to speak that way about the Mexican gov I'm all for it but common man don't be so harsh to a near helpless disarmed broken people. We need to help them and I'm not talk only US and not speaking financially I mean coming on here to spread the word of revolution instead of searching comments to smart ass remark to, spreading it daily on Facebook so people are the reality, petitioning the news to cover the stories force the mex gov to make a move!! It's not about their country out country well dammit this is OUR WORLD!! Borders are imaginary and man made. Borders are a visual manifestation of our greed. Would you let this happen if say it wasn't Mexico but your neighbors land causing this? No you'd petition everyone from DC to the UN. Put that anger towards something good like speaking out for goodWith much respect El ?

There will always be evil in the world. As long as history has been recorded, we see evidence of men doing evil things... You're talking crazy talk wanting to erradicate it completely simply by ranting peace and love. Shit has always been hitting the fan all over the world since the history of history, and mexico has more than its fair share to go before its fan smeared with shit status is complete, ready to spread more shit in more places that havent seen it yet. As long as corruption walks hand in hand with a poor excuse for a guise of governing and plagues those crooked motherfuckers who are tasked with ensuring mexico's stability and prosperity, narcos will move weight and do what they can to make a buck. Peace? Yea right. I'd rather say its much more feasible that corrupt trash running mexico who have destroyed the lively hood of an entire nation by forcing the hand of evil men who other wise would have made extraordinary businessmen had there been more legitimate work and opportunities will only sit back, and from a safe distance watch as the mayhem and chaos unfolds just to milk the dope cash titty for all that its worth. Sad, but such is reality.

No señor M you are wrong with all due respect. That is an excuse we've used for too long. A government can only behave as Mexico is by the rest of the world turning a blind eye. Believe me, once people start really caring and spreading the word. The government will either have to really start governing and enforcing laws, or deal with the tariffs and embargoes that other nations will put on them because of the things they allow hurting our people. It would be simply to drastically cut imports from Mexico simply because they have history of sending drugs through food. I'm not at all saying I want the us military to go in and solve it, not only will this most likely never happen, it will damage the mutual respect we enjoy right now, and once we leave it will go right back to normal, we don't need a border tension you can cut with a knife like in Korea, we need to expose this humility and fight however we can for those who truly are innocent in this. The precious children who are going to end up forced into the life or extremely mentally sick from all of this. People like you think help means money or military action, no you don't cook for a man you teach him to cook for himself. Mexico has a very good chance of becoming a super power and the few politicians that have let the country go to the highest bidder for there own gain have destroyed our faith in the Mexican government. But they are trying at least a large portion. Credit needs to be given Calderon has made a huge effort to do SOMETHING give him that look at all the police and military fired sometimes 90% of the town force. Common quarters to make meetings with criminals harder, the squad that arrested there own commander for helping criminals. They are trying but they are all alone nobody cares we need to care. You don't realize how many operatives are IN AND OPERATING IN TEXAS ARIZONA AND CALIFORNIA.Fully armed and just as insane and heartless as on the other side of the border. If we ignore it like you just because there's always been a few people to screw things up since first recorded history, then we will end up the ones begging for help with our towns full of billet holes missing children and raped wives and daughters. Calling the police for protection and ending up getting murdered by them. No you want to ignore this because that's the easy thing to do just let them work it out, well it's not going to work. Drugs will always be here organized crime will always be here but who's the majority?? We have the power not them we can at least push them underground and stop a large percentage of this savagery. I can't believe so many hundreds of thousands are dying babies murdered police chiefs skinned marines tortured and dismembered and nothing in you wants to do anything at all to at least try and help. I'm hoping more are with me I'm already beginning to start my personally movement I hope I can spark something in at least one other person. SALUDOS El ?

So you think talking peace and love and spreading the word will have an effect? Good on you; I on the other hand, am not so naive. I never said anything about turning about a blind eye... I think you're so used to saying what people want to hear that you assume possessing knowledge over what other people think. Negative. I love Mexico. I hate to see it in this position. And I never said anything about turning a blind eye. I simply stated a fact; as long as corruption plagues its governing bodies, from the president of the national all the way down to the smallest, most rascuache ass rancho's presidente municipal, all the sanctioning, political bullshit and hellfire brimstome peace and love preaching in the world will not do shit. Look at the countries the US and UN sanction now and tell me that works in favor of the common man who still gets fucked over by a dictator or regime controlling that country. In turn, Mexico's dirty ass politicians have eradicated legitimate work for honest citizens for the longest. That has done several things which some preaching and Jesus will not come down from the heavens to correct... The governments' corruption has gotten entire generations of Mexicans used to palancas and mordidas. It has created a mass exodus of mexico's most hardworking citizens into the US. It has created a social imbalance that is slowly turning Mexico into a serious dog eat dog, kill a motherfucker for a buck. You talk about the atrocities commited by cartel hit squads as if I don't know about them; you talk about the effect of all of this on my side of the border as if I don't live in texas, or dont drive deep into mexico twice a year every year to visit family. I know these things happen here. But they will never reach the level of ridiculousness Mexico is seeing. Not under those circumstances, and not to that effect. Mexico still has a ways to go. Pablo seriously fucked up colombia towards his end; I don't see passenger planes falling from mexican skies or armored tanks actually deploying rounds into mexican buildings...... What i say to you is this: unless you plan to seriously fuck some shit up to make a change, all the talking, preaching, peace spewing and love spreading in the world will not change the fact that money moves mountains and rebuilds them covered in gold... history is there to learn from it. You find me a dictator or regime in history, find me a middle eastern or colombian drug lord who wasnt taken down by righteous motherfuckers with guns and balls. Cuz thats what its gonna take, anything less will be a waste of time.

What are you talking about!?!? No one preached Jesus I'm not even Christian if anything I said screw religion and have faith in eachother, and the money part, bullshit pure bullshit when people say enough is enough no amount is acceptable did Pablo's billions save him?? No they didn't your rambling you typed the same thing multiple times making a 6 page novel of none sense and hate. You are not Mexican and if you are you wouldn't be accepted at home. You have no fight in you for our homeland. But I'm just talking to a brick its meaningless I will stay positive and continue to take real action against these scum until there's a bullet in my head or I don't have a head good dayEl ?

Good job by the military toe tagging these guys. Whats the point in arresting them again, its a good guess to say prison rehabilitation doesnt/didnt work for these guys. They chose to return to this life and so now they have none.

10:32 pm"You know everyday I want to cross the border more and more"Man,i don't blame you,all over the world this type of shit is going on?And it seems as though we are getting worse?I just want to ask you,where does the hatred for us come from?Look at a comment below,racist shit against us?I aint got no racism to Mexicans,i,m bein real,i haven't.But guaranteed when i come here there will be a Mexican talking all the racist shit against white people?I just don't get it,i really don't,and it gets you so pissed off,but i have never used racism against Mexicans,it is for losers,i just don't get it?Anyway.Good luck to you hermano.

@ El ? It helps brah it helps,believe that.Anyone who takes the time to translate for everyone is doing some good.I don't get when people start to whine over slang terms and meanings?You translated,and it makes perfect sense,it will never be a perfect translation,i think the moans come from people who don't understand the difficulties at all.Thanks man.

No problem man it's my pleasure, as I said its not all verbatim it's basically a language transition so the words are different here. I'm not worried about the whiners because they just need something to make themselves feel better about whatever they may be going through because if they really cared they would use their expertise to translate themselves instead of waiting for someone to give it there best and jump on them like hungry dogs lol. SALUDOS cómpa El ?

I'm honestly not sure but the way the sicario is talking and the style of the video, I'd say its zetas so most likely arguello would be cartel del golfo?? But is only my guess I could very well be wrong and I'm sure they'll be a little squirt to verbally abuse my comment if I'm wrong lolEl ?

Hey man no racism here we're all Americans here as well as mexicans our language speaks for it self even though are culture is Mexican we still invite all ethnic backgrounds to participate in civil discussion so in case you hear one rotten apple doesn't mean the others area spoiled ya emotion might get in the way sometimes but I believe people mean well. It is a travesty as to whats happening in mexico the question is how dont we fix it and or can mexico be fixed maybe at some point in time even beyond our days on this earth I hope mexico returns to the days of old in peace things have to change with time, just like people change things evolve but now hey god bless.

Without free education, stricter justice system, and people with integrity, a country will not prosper. There are a lot of business people in Mexico but have no opened up in other countries due to cuentas or extortion fees. Without jobs in Mexico, parents cant provide for their kids education and or food.

El ?"Mexico has a very good chance of becoming a super power"Im white US and i also believe Mexico could become so much more.Imagine the labor pool Mexico has?It is so frustrating seeing the waste of potential.Are there any Mexican young bucks with the energy the drive and interest in politics posting on here,to step up to these corrupt bastards who care only about their own family's?And yes corruption is all over the world not just Mexico,but Mexico needs someone to help her reach her potential.These things are not easy,anything this important is never easy,but it is possible,eminently possible.

"So you think talking peace and love and spreading the word will have an effect"Who the fuck was talkin about peace?Can you fuckin read or what?Who the fuck are you replying to?Never mind,i don't care.

@ El ?I don't believe you are in Mexico or are Mexican?How can you say,sending drugs to the US is a good thing?Is that what you think makes a Mexican?By preaching hatred against the US?You like to cast stones because you somehow want to be seen as Mexican,when it is patently obvious that you are lying about that.You wrote on another post that you live in the US but yet you preach hate against that nation you live in?Tell me,what does that make you?Hermano i am more Mexican than you will ever be,and i live here in Mexico unlike you who throw insults around?M

"I will stay positive and continue to take real action against these scum until there's a bullet in my head or I don't have a head good dayEl"Get a grip you clown,you aint doin shit,you in the US writing your bullshit.What a phony.What are you gonna take a bullet for?What a fuckin fraud you are.Your posting comments on a blog you clown?