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15:00 < Del> Hello everybody, I am interested in helping in porting kdepim over to OSX, but I will need some pointers. First of all I do not have a Mac, so I am wondering if any of you have tried to run OSX virtually on linux, it is a viable option?
15:06 < iggy> it's illegal
15:07 < iggy> well
15:07 < iggy> it's legal if you run it virtually on mac hardware
15:08 < Del> Hm, seems Apple has made it very difficult for me to help them
15:08 < RangerRick> curious what you're wanting to work on though, kdepim is already ported to osx :)
15:08 < iggy> oh, yeah, I was going to mention that too
15:10 < Del> I have been testing the one provided by Kolab, you can see my experiences on their mailinglist.
15:10 < Del> Is binaries available for the 4.2 version on Leopard?
15:11 < RangerRick> I'm not familiar with the kolab stuff specifically, so I can't say anythin about that, but I maintain kde in fink, and kde 4.2.2 is in it
15:11 < Del> Binaries?
15:12 < RangerRick> not yet, although some of them are making their way to the unofficial binary server at todai
15:13 < Del> so it is not ported yet. I assume it takes almost forever to compile everything from source with numerous pitfalls?
15:13 < iggy> well, there shouldn't be pit falls when using a package manager
15:13 < iggy> that's kind of the point
15:14 < Del> I tried mac ports, and encountered error messages on even very simple packages, not to mention compiling kdepim
15:15 < iggy> the mac ports kde4 stuff isn't really maintained currently
15:15 < Del> So fink is the way to go?
15:15 < iggy> I haven't actually tried it
15:15 < RangerRick> or build from source by han,d but yeah, that's the best way currently that I'm aware of
15:15 < iggy> but it's at least actively maintained
15:15 < RangerRick> (I'm biased, I packaged it)
15:16 < Del> and you are answering, which makes a pretty strong case for Fink :)
15:16 < RangerRick> but it seems to be pretty solid so far, aside from general code issues that are not fink-specific that need to be ironed out (file associations is the big one)
15:16 < Del> What do you mean by file association
15:16 < RangerRick> when things slow down and I get the fink stuff at a state where I'm not tweaking the packages, I want to help out in cpack-izing everything in kde proper
15:16 < RangerRick> so we can get installer
15:16 < RangerRick> erp, installer .pkg's again
15:18 < Del> How long does it take approximately to install kdepim currently on a c2d?
15:24 < Del> Have any of you tried kdepim 4.2.2 from Fink?
15:32 < RangerRick> I've installed it; building from source it'll take probably a day to get through everything; I believe you can get up to at least kdebsae with binaries from todai though
15:33 < RangerRick> 15:33 < pinson> somebody said todai was an unofficial binary distribution that generally works, but has no warranty... ;) See http://fink.sodan.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/item/14 for more info.
15:35 < Del> I need to deploy it on a large number of macs
15:35 < Del> and I need it to be stable, so I am in a tight spot
15:36 < RangerRick> once you get the binaries built, you can share them over apt
15:36 < RangerRick> http://ranger.befunk.com/blog/archives/000258.html
15:37 < Del> I am deeply into this community thinking, and would really appreciate sharing those with you
15:37 < Del> then we can all help in making it better
15:39 < Del> The apt approach looks nice
15:39 < Del> Do you use apt for Fink?
15:39 < RangerRick> fink uses apt for binaries
15:40 < RangerRick> fink is a build-based distro which creates .deb packages that can then be manipulated with debian tools like dpkg and apt
15:40 < Del> sounds great, I am a Debian addict, never managed to convert fully to ubuntu
15:41 < RangerRick> well, fink differs in some fundamental ways, but it wraps the debian tools, so there are some similarities
15:42 < Del> we should get some debs built then. Seems all we need is to start compiling some
15:44 < Del> Just for hte curiosity, is it feasible to virtualise osx with kvm? Have any of you tried on any hardware?
15:48 < RangerRick> in kvm? doubtful, there's some apple-specific bios stuff that needs to be in place
15:48 < RangerRick> vmware can do it, but refuses to do so on anything but apple hardwre with osx server, AFAIK
15:48 < RangerRick> basically, it's only legal to virtualize osx *on* osx
15:50 < iggy> there are patches to do it
15:50 < Del> Somebody has done it http://d4wiki.goddamm.it/index.php/Howto:_Mac_OSX_on_KVM
15:50 < iggy> it's only legal to virtualize osx on apple hardware
15:51 < Del> but I get the drift
15:51 < iggy> I've never seen anything about it having to be on osx
15:51 < Del> I will have to obtain ssh-access to a Mac
15:51 < iggy> Del: the opensuse src rpm's have the patches you need kept up to date
15:52 < iggy> to run osx in kvm
16:02 < Del> have you tried the opensuse rpm's, if so in which distribution?
16:04 < iggy> no
16:05 < iggy> I tried to manually patch it all a while back
16:05 < iggy> never got it to work
16:05 < Del> it did seem a bit immature
16:06 < iggy> well, you don't want to run a business on it, but for development, it should work
16:07 < Del> I can give it a try, woun't take that much time converting the rpms with alien and give it a go
16:08 < Del> on mac hardware of course :)
16:17 < Del> so you guys recommend that I install kdepim from source using Fink?
16:20 < RangerRick> it's probably the most solid way to get kdepim 4.2.2 on osx, yes
16:23 < Del> I looked up todai, looks like they don't have Leopard packages.
16:23 < Del> Thanks for the advice, I will try to build through Fink then.
16:23 < RangerRick> hm? they do have leopard packages
16:24 < RangerRick> maybe that example page doesn't mention it; but replace 10.4 with 10.5 and it should work :)
16:24 * RangerRick uses them
16:26 < Del> Could you give me any impression on Kontact for 4.2.2, have you given it a spin?
16:36 < RangerRick> hm, it loses it's dock icon too
16:36 < Del> yep, but it appears when you start the app
16:36 < RangerRick> appears to otherwise work OK
16:36 < RangerRick> no, it never came back
16:36 < RangerRick> all it has is the icon in the menubar
16:36 < RangerRick> for reminders
16:38 < Del> Ok, so my plan should then be to use todai's repos for as much as possible, and then Fink from source from the rest
16:38 < RangerRick> sure
16:39 < Del> Thanks for the pointers, seems my spare time for the week-end just vanished
16:39 < RangerRick> :) sure
16:59 < iggy> what is this spare time you speak of
17:01 < Del> I don't know, haven't had any in a long time
17:04 < Del> I guess life is too short for spare time
17:05 < RangerRick> that's why I sneak fink builds in while I'm working ;)
17:06 < Del> Sounds great, I am afraid that is close too impossible for me.
17:07 < koda> hi all
17:07 < Del> I never should have accepted a management position, they just keep me running
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20:04 < koda> is there any plan to update the macports install?
20:05 < iggy> not that I know of
20:05 < iggy> the maintainer said he was going to spend most of his time trying to get cpack going
20:05 < iggy> iirc
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