Steve,
The "wings" order was made offiical on Sept. 14, by Special Order. See
p. 290, OR, Vol. 19 pt. 2. It was suspended on Sept. 15, see p. 297,
op. cit.
The best summary of casualtires by location that I have seen is one made
up by the interp staff and I carry in my notebook. I'll be happy to
make a copy for you, or talk to Keith.
Tom

Thomas G. Clemens D.A.
Professor of History
Hagerstown Community College

I am trying to get a handle on the number of casualties in the Morning Phase of the battle of Antietam. In the NPS pamphlet called Casualties of Battle it

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I am trying to get a handle on the number of casualties in the Morning
Phase of the battle of Antietam. In the NPS pamphlet called "Casualties
of Battle" it states that there were 13,860 casualties in the morning
phase. In the Cornfield Trail pamphlet it states that 'as many as 8,000
men were killed or wounded from dawn until 9:00 am'.

I have seen this range stated in a number of places. Is there a
distinction that I am missing between the two numbers? Thanks.

Stephen Recker

Thomas Clemens

It sounds until 9:00 does not include the West Woods action. That would account for at least some of the disparity. I will look at Carman s chart tonight

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It sounds "until 9:00" does not include the West Woods action. That
would account for at least some of the disparity. I will look at
Carman's chart tonight and get back to you.
Tom Clemens

I am trying to get a handle on the number of casualties in the Morning

Phase of the battle of Antietam. In the NPS pamphlet called "Casualties

of Battle" it states that there were 13,860 casualties in the morning
phase. In the Cornfield Trail pamphlet it states that 'as many as 8,000

men were killed or wounded from dawn until 9:00 am'.

I have seen this range stated in a number of places. Is there a
distinction that I am missing between the two numbers? Thanks.

Stephen Recker

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Stephen Recker

Thanks, Tom. And the lower number doesn t seem to include captures, although that number is less than one thousand. Stephen Recker

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Thanks, Tom. And the lower number doesn't seem to include captures,
although that number is less than one thousand.

Stephen Recker

On Wednesday, August 24, 2005, at 11:33 AM, Thomas Clemens wrote:

>
> It sounds "until 9:00" does not include the West Woods action. That
> would account for at least some of the disparity. I will look at
> Carman's chart tonight and get back to you.
> Tom Clemens

Stephen, just as reinforcement to the two Toms conclusions, Dr. Harsh in Taken at the Flood also addresses casualties up to 9 am and then the total for the

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Stephen, just as reinforcement to the two Toms' conclusions, Dr. Harsh
in "Taken at the Flood" also addresses casualties up to 9 am and then
the total for the "Morning Phase." Addressing up to 9 am (the
Cornfield and East Woods), on p. 376, Dr. Harsh writes, "In all,
during the three hours, 27,000 men had struggled over the same 160
acres and 8,700 (32.2 percent) had fallen." I believe I can accounted
for 604 missing from units engaged up to this time. If you subtract
the missing, that comes very close to the "Cornfield Trail" pamphlet
statement of "as many as 8,000 men were killed or wounded."

Dr. Harsh concluded on p. 394 that 4,481 caualties occured during the
fighting in the West Woods and around the Dunker Church. This includes
casualties suffered by Col. Irwin's brigade in the vicinity of the
Dunker Church, less those of the 7th Maine. On p. 395, he gives 13,179
for the total "Morning Phase". Again, very close to the NPS morning
phase casualty number.

Dr. Harsh references Section K of Chapter 9 of "Sounding the Shallows"
to address allocating casualties for units when divisions and even
regiments could be split between phases.

Ron Dickey

--- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Recker <recker@v...> wrote:
> Thanks. These statistics make Tom Clemens' case that the pamphlet I was
> looking at did not include the West Woods. Awesome. Thanks to both Toms.
>
> Stephen

Stephen Recker

Great stuff. Thanks. Stephen

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Great stuff. Thanks.

Stephen

On Thursday, August 25, 2005, at 05:15 PM, dickeyr46 wrote:

> Stephen, just as reinforcement to the two Toms' conclusions, Dr. Harsh
> in "Taken at the Flood" also addresses casualties up to 9 am and then
> the total for the "Morning Phase." Addressing up to 9 am (the
> Cornfield and East Woods), on p. 376, Dr. Harsh writes, "In all,
> during the three hours, 27,000 men had struggled over the same 160
> acres and 8,700 (32.2 percent) had fallen." I believe I can accounted
> for 604 missing from units engaged up to this time. If you subtract
> the missing, that comes very close to the "Cornfield Trail" pamphlet
> statement of "as many as 8,000 men were killed or wounded."
>
> Dr. Harsh concluded on p. 394 that 4,481 caualties occured during the
> fighting in the West Woods and around the Dunker Church. This includes
> casualties suffered by Col. Irwin's brigade in the vicinity of the
> Dunker Church, less those of the 7th Maine. On p. 395, he gives 13,179
> for the total "Morning Phase". Again, very close to the NPS morning
> phase casualty number.
>
> Dr. Harsh references Section K of Chapter 9 of "Sounding the Shallows"
> to address allocating casualties for units when divisions and even
> regiments could be split between phases.
>
> Ron Dickey
>
> --- In TalkAntietam@yahoogroups.com, Stephen Recker <recker@v...>
> wrote:
>> Thanks. These statistics make Tom Clemens' case that the pamphlet I
>> was
>> looking at did not include the West Woods. Awesome. Thanks to both
>> Toms.
>>
>> Stephen
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