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Re: which Pacer will be on the all star team?

So Kidd was entering his prime at 37? Your point was that if players are not entering their prime together they can't win championships, which simply isn't true. The majority of that team was well past their prime, just had good chemistry and leadership, which is equally important. Plenty of teams win championships with rosters well older than ours. In fact, every single championship roster in the HISTORY of the NBA had an average roster age older than ours, yet you're obsessed with getting younger.

I agree that you have to have some good youth, which we do (PG, Hill, Hibbert, Lance), but you also need to have a veteran backbone (David West/Danny Granger).

Do you think Sam Presti is sitting behind is desk stressing out b/c Kevin Martin is playing well, an expiring, and about to turn 30? Of course not. He could have gotten better young assets than Lamb/pick, but wanted the veteran.

Re: which Pacer will be on the all star team?

Dirk and Kidd are hall of famers big difference, not only that but that roster was deep because Cuban didn't care to spend as much as he could to win a championship.

I'll admit right now our roster is not deep enough. The summer offseason to revamp the bench has failed (at least thus far). Can't say I saw it coming though, I was ok with the moves at the time (you were too). I'm hoping the bench is overhauled by the trade deadline.

Re: which Pacer will be on the all star team?

I'll admit right now our roster is not deep enough. The summer offseason to revamp the bench has failed (at least thus far). Can't say I saw it coming though, I was ok with the moves at the time (you were too). I'm hoping the bench is overhauled by the trade deadline.

I was not ok with the moves, there is a bunch of threads of people calling me hater because of it, no need to bring my Mahinmi comments either.

Re: which Pacer will be on the all star team?

Dallas has one hall of famer and like 5 former all stars plus one future all star in Mayo, does anybody see them winning a championship this year? of course not, the goal is to have all stars hitting their prime together, no the fake prime you always talk about but the true prime, what you are saying sounds nice and all but that doesn't make a team a championship contender.

Elton Brand: 33 years old

Shawn Marion: 34 years old

Vince Carter: 35 years old

Chris Kaman: 30 years old

Derek Fisher: 38 years old (and also requested to be released)

Our older former All Star West is David West. He is 32 years old. For the 2012-2013 season, he is averaging 17.4 points, 8.1 rebounds, 2.7 assists and 1 block per game.

Let's compare his production with what those Mavericks' guys are giving:

So, West is scoring at least 4 more points per game by any player in that list of 5 former All-Stars. He's also rebounding more than everyone in this list and is second to Fisher in assists and second to Brand in blocks.

Let me say it this once to make it more clear. Our older former All-Star is actually playing like an one!

The rest of our All-Stars (former or future) are all younger than those Mavs guys as well.

So, yeah. Your comparison seems quite weak. Better luck next time

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Re: which Pacer will be on the all star team?

I was not ok with the moves, there is a bunch of threads of people calling me hater because of it, no need to bring my Mahinmi comments either.

Then why did you say those comments? You can't say "Im loving our front office, this is what a front office is supposed to do" after we sign Mahinmi, Green, DJ, and then when it doesn't work out say "I was not ok with the moves." That's flip-flopping b/c you can't admit you were wrong. It's ok to be wrong. I was wrong too.

Remember when you wanted to give Nene $18M / year?? I even wanted to throw $14M at him. Both wrong - lesson learned for us both.

Re: which Pacer will be on the all star team?

I think he deserves it too. If he makes it, that means Kyrie won't make it, and that'll free up another guard spot.

I don't believe that PG gets in and I have seen no articles or suggestions by writers or experts that suggest he will. I still think his only chance is to be named as an injury replacement.

You don't think he'll make it, I get that, but it'll have nothing to do with him playing SF, and that's what you keep saying. I also don't get why you seem to think the articles you've read have any relevance on who makes the team seeing how the coaches will choose the reserves. Who cares what some national writer has to say.

For those that think Paul doesn't have the numbers... I ask why not? A quick review of past All-Star games show there's very rarely fewer (thnx grammar nazi) than 5 wings selected, and there's usually more. Name 5 wings with a better resume at this point than Paul. Smith IMO shouldn't count as he's played PF the majority of the year.

Re: which Pacer will be on the all star team?

Then why did you say those comments? You can't say "Im loving our front office, this is what a front office is supposed to do" after we sign Mahinmi, Green, DJ, and then when it doesn't work out say "I was not ok with the moves." That's flip-flopping b/c you can't admit you were wrong. It's ok to be wrong. I was wrong too.

Remember when you wanted to give Nene $18M / year?? I even wanted to throw $14M at him. Both wrong - lesson learned for us both.

That comment was made after the Mahinmi trade, I was talking out of emotion and I was expecting other moves to be made.

So, West is scoring at least 4 more points per game by any player in that list of 5 former All-Stars. He's also rebounding more than everyone in this list and is second to Fisher in assists and second to Brand in blocks.

Let me say it this once to make it more clear. Our older former All-Star is actually playing like an one!

The rest of our All-Stars (former or future) are all younger than those Mavs guys as well.

Re: which Pacer will be on the all star team?

That comment was made after the Mahinmi trade, I was talking out of emotion and I was expecting other moves to be made.

Note that this is the last time I'm explaining this.

Vnzla, you're fibbing again in an attempt to hold your ego. You made that comment after the Mahinmi trade AND after the Green signing and DJ signing. DJ was signed last of the three and you posted in that thread. Geez - it's ok to be wrong.

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Re: which Pacer will be on the all star team?

Unless we move into the top 3 at the break, I'm going with none.
If we get one I think it will be West.
It'll be a little interesting to see if the coaches stay with the new format of just looking at forwards and centers together or if they'll assign a center regardless.
If they go with a center I think Roy still stands a chance in spite of his offense.

Re: which Pacer will be on the all star team?

Vnzla, you're fibbing again in an attempt to hold your ego.
You made that comment after the Mahinmi trade AND after the Green signing and DJ signing. DJ was signed last of the three and you posted in that thread. Geez - it's ok to be wrong.

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Re: which Pacer will be on the all star team?

PG, better odds I think if he has 2 guard qualification, if the 3 then it is over... Melo, Lebron, Pierce all have him just because of popularity. For the 2 he only has to really worry about wade and Joe Johnson

Re: which Pacer will be on the all star team?

PG, better odds I think if he has 2 guard qualification, if the 3 then it is over... Melo, Lebron, Pierce all have him just because of popularity. For the 2 he only has to really worry about wade and Joe Johnson

And has been stated he's been better than Joe Johnson this year. I agree if he's classified as a guard he has a chance (a small one) as a coach's pick, but no way as a forward.

Re: which Pacer will be on the all star team?

Freakin Joe Johnson better not get in over PG, that'd be ludicrous. I don't really know if the league gives coaches a bit of *wink, wink, this guy has a great case....* kinda thing, but I really do think the NBA wants to push PG.

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Re: which Pacer will be on the all star team?

Balanced teams built on defense would always have trouble sending players to the All Star Game, but the good news is that coaches this year will have every excuse to select PG. Exciting young star, big part of the league-leading defense, plus leading scorer of a team that is winning enough to deserve at least one rep. Sure his O numbers are a bit pedestrian but that hasn't stopped others from being selected.

Re: which Pacer will be on the all star team?

Totally agree on PG but I don't think there is any way David West makes it.

I can't argue with you. My only comment is I believe the coaches reward players on the best teams. Pacers are one of the best teams so I think a lot of the coaches will think they deserve two allstars and those coaches who believe that will vote for West and Paul George. Also depending on when the votes were sent in, it might help West. I mean if a they voted a week ago a coach might vote for West instead of Paul. Where as if they vote today Paul would get their vote, unless they believe the pacers deserve two AS's