I read that Hitler commented on the Armenian genocide and how it was forgotten. Some said that it influenced him or his regime vis a vis the treatment of Jews and Slavs who were seen as sub human. But could he and the Nazis have also been influened on what happened in the US and colonial era with slavery and segregatioin after it was abolished? That was the first time in history humans were legally reduced to sub human status, denied all human rights and traded like cattle all on an industrial continental way. After the Civil War and Reconstruction blacks were allowed full human and citizenship rights, could vote, be elected in high office sit on juries, be judges, oversea cases involving whites. Then after the Northern Armies left the south, the Dixon/Mason line with segregation, denial of all citizenship rights enforced by lynching occurred. The US govt dragged its feet and repeatedly refused to make lynching illegal. In Australia, Aborigines were not recognised as 'human' and were shot for 'sport' as a result, they were seen as 'Apes'. The segregation laws out there were far worse than in America or under Apartheid afterwards. Later as the film Rabbit Proof Fence tried to explain, the government forcibly removed Aboriginal children from their families and made them adopted by white families or in state children homes taught by whites, to brainwash them off their 'primitive' culture and be westernised. Some have said that was something one would associate with the Nazis.

So was what the Nazis did a consequence of what was going on elsewhere? Would they see segregation, slavery, treatment of aboriginals be seen as early Nazism/facism? or some kind of golden age?

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I read that Hitler commented on the Armenian genocide and how it was forgotten. Some said that it influenced him or his regime vis a vis the treatment of Jews and Slavs who were seen as sub human. But could he and the Nazis have also been influened on what happened in the US and colonial era with slavery and segregatioin after it was abolished? That was the first time in history humans were legally reduced to sub human status, denied all human rights and traded like cattle all on an industrial continental way. After the Civil War and Reconstruction blacks were allowed full human and citizenship rights, could vote, be elected in high office sit on juries, be judges, oversea cases involving whites. Then after the Northern Armies left the south, the Dixon/Mason line with segregation, denial of all citizenship rights enforced by lynching occurred. The US govt dragged its feet and repeatedly refused to make lynching illegal. In Australia, Aborigines were not recognised as 'human' and were shot for 'sport' as a result, they were seen as 'Apes'. The segregation laws out there were far worse than in America or under Apartheid afterwards. Later as the film Rabbit Proof Fence tried to explain, the government forcibly removed Aboriginal children from their families and made them adopted by white families or in state children homes taught by whites, to brainwash them off their 'primitive' culture and be westernised. Some have said that was something one would associate with the Nazis.

So was what the Nazis did a consequence of what was going on elsewhere? Would they see segregation, slavery, treatment of aboriginals be seen as early Nazism/facism? or some kind of golden age?

dude, you're all over the place

do you trolls ever actually read ANYTHING at all on the subjects you talk about? or do you just make a habit to post nonsensical gibberish on here for sport?

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But could [Hitler] and the Nazis have also been influened on what happened in the US and colonial era with slavery and segregatioin after it was abolished? That was the first time in history humans were legally reduced to sub human status, denied all human rights and traded like cattle all on an industrial continental way.

No offense, but you have not the slightest clue what you are talking about. There is not a race on this planet that has not owned slaves, sold slaves, or BEEN slaves. We are, all of us, descended from slaves and from slave owners. The notion you have in your head that Whites treated non-Whites as "subhuman," atypical of how slaves have ever been treated anywhere, or that slaves have ever been viewed as equals in any society we might compare America with, is utterly delusional.

Right at this moment, in the United States, there is a group of people who lobby relentlessly for more slavery. That group is called the Democrats. They babble non-stop about needing a regular import of slave-wage workers to do work "Americans won't do (for sub-minimum wage)." And they make that demand because they are too cheap to pay full price for grapes and full price for a gardener and full price for construction workers.

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No offense, but you have not the slightest clue what you are talking about. There is not a race on this planet that has not owned slaves, sold slaves, or BEEN slaves. We are, all of us, descended from slaves and from slave owners. The notion you have in your head that Whites treated non-Whites as "subhuman," atypical of how slaves have ever been treated anywhere, or that slaves have ever been viewed as equals in any society we might compare America with, is utterly delusional.

Right at this moment, in the United States, there is a group of people who lobby relentlessly for more slavery. That group is called the Democrats. They babble non-stop about needing a regular import of slave-wage workers to do work "Americans won't do (for sub-minimum wage)." And they make that demand because they are too cheap to pay full price for grapes and full price for a gardener and full price for construction workers.

So let's hear you denounce these pro-slavery vermin, you libtard.

The US constitution decreed blacks were 3/5 human so were denied citizen rights. Also the infamous dred Scott decision where the Supreme Court ruled that the founding fathers did not create the state or constitution for blacks or native Americans to be treated as equals so dismissed Scott's action to be legally freed when his owner took him to a state where slavery was illegal.
Another point to note in most societies which had slavery it was similar to serfdom because they had rights and children of slaves were not born slaves . The difference in the US and Atlantic dlavery the Supreme Court ruled that all blacks whether brought over on ships or born there from a grandparent for example who was from Africa were classed and treated as slaves
A social order was created where skin colour decided if someone was a free person or enslaved , in other words a 'master race' and inferiors with religion used to justify it claiming Noah cursed ham. Strange Noah and not Jesus said tbT so Iranian higher than Jesus? Well both he and Jesus were Jewish so why take notice of them anyway?

So did hitler and nazis look back at whT went on in the US and Australia as a blue print ? Would they have re introduced the segregation laws if they remained in power ? Did hitler see blacks as bad or worse than Jews? What was his views on them ?He did not shake Jesse Owens hand at the Olympics . Did he shake hands of any Jewish gypsy Slav athletes ?

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The US constitution decreed blacks were 3/5 human so were denied citizen rights.

Correct, and they were similarly not allowed freedom in Africa by other Blacks, nor allowed to make tribal decisions, nor allowed to own property. So what's the big difference between how Whites treated slaves and how Blacks treated them?

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A social order was created where skin colour decided if someone was a free person or enslaved

No, douche-bag, it did not. If you would crack open a history book, you would find THOUSANDS of examples of free Blacks IN the South OWNING slaves and property BEFORE Lincoln came along.

Again, you simply don't know what you are talking about, you retard.

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Jesus [was] Jewish

Again, you don't know what you are talking about. Jesus being a "Jew" meant only that he was a citizen of Judea. He was from Galilee, so he was probably a White man.

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The US constitution decreed blacks were 3/5 human so were denied citizen rights.

From the way you worded this it is obvious that you have no clue whatsoever of what you are talking about. The 3/5 compromise was for counting purposes, for apportionment, not for deriving who had rights and who didn't.

The people who wanted slaves to count as full people were the slave owners.

If you could go back in time and advocate that slaves be counted as full people, you would be on the side of the slave owners.