Body Octane is a stim free pre work out, and CLOUT is going to take care of your creatine and beta-alanine. I thought that's what you were looking for? CLOUT alone seems similar to what you're looking for from your OP.

Body Octane is a stim free pre work out, and CLOUT is going to take care of your creatine and beta-alanine. I thought that's what you were looking for? CLOUT alone seems similar to what you're looking for from your OP.

Yeah, I know it is really a good combo but I'm not actually looking for a pre-workout. I don't have explain things properly but with the post above I guess that everything will be clear now.

I took Assault as an example because it has creatine+beta-alanine+bcaa in it, not because it's a pre-workout.