Submitting to surrender when dealing with any evil is not an option. Subjugation eventually leads to a slow, humiliating and painful death. If you can find an old P.O.W. of the Japanese or the North Koreans they’ll tell you so.

By the way this is the “Real-deal bad-ass” in the fight at the Ia Drang and later in the World Trade Centre:

” .. and the feelings inside more Americans than you dare to imagine, we will not go silently into the night.”

They’re itching to see thousands of their compatriots die in another pointless war?

Troll, get on a plane sometime. Go somewhere, see another country, eat other food, watch other people, hear a different language. You’re trapped in an insular bubble, thinking everyone else is plotting to bring down the yankees. It ain’t so.

We live in a world that is in economic collapse, we have religious fanatics building bombs designed to wipe out cities and millions in one shot. The richest sector of the world is in a constant state of war, a war that is about to expand.

Not since the beginning of WWII have tensions been as high as they are right now. And the man in charge of the most powerful army on the planet has no clue how to use it to prevent escalation, and less of a clue how to use it when it does escalate.

Phantom I have no problem paying taxes for the military, I have a major problem giving my money to those who waste it on the lazy and the crazy. You served, I served, my wife served, and my children will serve.

We are in the situation we are in because our leaders are weak and corrupt.

You were raised different than I was, I was raised not just with the black and white concepts of right and wrong, and that’s what they are simple black and white.

I was raised that it comes down to certain people to step into the fire to save others from it. My family has served in every conflict since WWI, when not in the nations uniform they have worn the blue uniform here at home.

For over 100yrs and still today Van Roy’s and Zambino’s have put their lives on the line. Duty, Honor, Country are not just words.

number one I pay my taxes, I don’t know what has gotten you on this I ain’t willing to pay kick your on, and two you better open your eyes sonny boy this fight is gonna come to us or hadn’t you noticed?

Oh that’s right you’ve been hanging out in zoocati park with your comrads

Correct. No, Troll, here is a couple of questions and I want you to pause and think before you answer them. Who brought about this economic collapse? Are the culprits inside America’s borders or outside?

“Not since the beginning of WWII have tensions been as high as they are right now.”

The commies had 30,000 nuclear warheads at the West for decades. My father told me that many genuinely thought nuclear war would happen over the Cuban missile crises. That’s tension.

What you’re doing is reading too many Krauthammers and Kristols and others in the pocket of the vested interests. The ex-Mossad chief says Iran doesn’t have a warhead, Israel’s most senior soldier thinks Iran will not develop one.

PM not one nuclear war head has gone away, they are still all pointing at us,who do you think they are pointed at Canada, less than 1000 missiles have been taken off line over the last 5 years Russia just upgraded it’s entire arsenal, your falling for a myth started by the Clinton propaganda machine. Add to that the growing capabilities of China, and the wild cards in the ME and I think you need to reevaluate whatever risk assessment your reading.

The EX appropriate to note EX head of the Mossad is playing politics. I trust the mad little Persian and the Mullah when they continually repeat that no matter what sanctions they are put under they’re going to get a bomb and use it. They have already proven their launch systems by putting a satellite in orbit, plus the multiple EMP test launches they have done from ships. The Iranians are also building launch pads in Venezuela where their medium range missiles can easily hit targets inside the US.

Phantom there are over 40 million Americans out of work. They just faked the unemployment number today by cutting the amount of jobs available. Unemployment and the collapse of housing values and rate of foreclosures passed the great depression 6mths ago. I don’t know about Brazil except that we just paid for them to drill for oil in the ocean, but China is a smoke and mirrors economy, google ghost cities, and they are still killing female births because only males have the potential to hope a family feed itself… you really aren’t that bright are ya?

I don’t deny the high unemployment here ( which is much better than in much of Europe ) but that has nothing to ” economic collapse “. I have family and friends who have been unemployed for three years, so if you make one more bubble comment I will walk to Pennsylvania and berate you severely.

There is no economic collapse. We are in recovery. A slow one.

We were in a collapse, but it was barely avoided by interventions by Bush and Obama, which you opposed at every step.

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Bilateral reductions in the nuclear weapons arsenal as negotiated with the USSR / Russia have been supported on a bipartisan basis and negotiated by by Nixon, Bush One , Reagan and GW Bush.

Since September 11, 2001, the FBI has built a huge network of informants. Many of them are convicted criminals. The agency maintains a roster of 15,000 spies, Trevor Aaronson wrote for Mother Jones last year. For every informant officially listed, Aaronson notes, the agency has as many as three unofficial ones, according to an FBI official.And of course, the FBI needs to create terror in order to justify itself, so it chooses as its patsies the mentally-deficient of which, it must be said, there is no shortage in the US. In the foiled Cleveland Bridge bomb plot triumphantly announced this week, 3 of the 5 would-be perps had mental illness and the agent provocateur is an indicted felon.

“The FBI is not choosy about the people it uses. Some have criminal records, including attempted murder or drug dealing or fraud. They are often paid six-figure sums, which critics say creates a motivation to entrap targets. Some are motivated by the promise of debts forgiven or immigration violations wiped clean. There has also been a relaxing of rules on what criteria the FBI needs to launch an investigation,” writes Paul Harris for the Guardian.

– The first chart that I have posted below shows the total number of “officially” unemployed workers in America. According to the Federal Reserve, that number is currently 12,673,000.

But if you dig deeper into the numbers you quickly see that this is not true. A lot of those workers that were formerly classified as “unemployed” have now been moved into the “not in labor force” category. Since the start of the last recession, the number of Americans not in the labor force has risen by more than 8 million according to the Obama administration. The total number of working age Americans not in the labor force now stands at 87,897,000….

So when you add 12,673,000 and 87,897,000, you get a total of 100,570,000 working age Americans that do not have jobs. Yes, there are certainly millions upon millions of working age Americans that do not have jobs and that do not want jobs. But you have to be delusional to believe that there are nearly 88 million working age Americans that do not have jobs and that do not want jobs. –

I know someone who’s delusional – someone who lives in his own wee bubble.

All this “good economic news” stuff, I explained all that dozens of times. I predicted it right in here. While the links you have were predicting a double-dip recession, I said there’d be a phoney recovery. Well, there’s a phoney recovery.

As you well know, because I said so many times, it’s because Bernanke’s money printer is turned to ramming speed. It has been for almost a year now and it remains on.

When that printer gets turned off, as it will do when the phoney, inflationary recovery heats up too much, it’ll be turned off again. That’s when the next crash will come and it will be worse than 2008 because all the bullets have been fired.

Don’t allow your wallet to believe that thre’s a recovery. It’s an illusion.

“While Cassandra foresaw the destruction of Troy (she warned the Trojans about the Trojan Horse, the death of Agamemnon, and her own demise), she was unable to do anything to forestall these tragedies since no one believed her.”

As I have also said before, we ought to welcome a swift and severe recession on the proviso it is allowed to happen. It is the necessary – and inevitable – cure for an economy horribly inflated and distorted by gross government intervention and central bank inflation.

The sooner it happens the less severe it will be, but it will and must happen.

Just because I refuse to stick my head in the sand, and I refuse to not see what my eyes are showing me It does not mean war is my desire. I have friends and family that will be in harms way.

The whole purpose of all the toys that I support are to prevent them from having to ever be used. We may not have MAD anymore, but the reason you kill 1000 for every one of yours that die is to give others pause before they kill.

Our military should never have to be used, fear of it should be the deterrent, except our politicians undermine that deterrent at every turn.

– The first chart that I have posted below shows the total number of “officially” unemployed workers in America. According to the Federal Reserve, that number is currently 12,673,000.

But if you dig deeper into the numbers you quickly see that this is not true. A lot of those workers that were formerly classified as “unemployed” have now been moved into the “not in labor force” category. Since the start of the last recession, the number of Americans not in the labor force has risen by more than 8 million according to the Obama administration. The total number of working age Americans not in the labor force now stands at 87,897,000….

So when you add 12,673,000 and 87,897,000, you get a total of 100,570,000 working age Americans that do not have jobs. Yes, there are certainly millions upon millions of working age Americans that do not have jobs and that do not want jobs. But you have to be delusional to believe that there are nearly 88 million working age Americans that do not have jobs and that do not want jobs. –

I know someone who’s delusional and who refuses to enage in debate. Whenever directly challenged, he issues shit like:

As I have also said before, we ought to welcome a swift and severe recession on the proviso it is allowed to happen. It is the necessary – and inevitable – cure for an economy horribly inflated and distorted by gross government intervention and central bank inflation.

Exactly. I laugh at all the spin about “ECB intervention”. This means printing money, and Cameron is advocating it for the Euro zone as much as both Sarkozy and Hollande, but of course none of them will ever come clean about its true meaning, any more than the economists who also support it.

And of course the Bank of England has been printing like mad, almost as much as the Fed.

oh and they’re not? Phantom you have a job, I have a job and my own business. You really aren’t looking at the numbers.

Pete and Alan may be on the conspiratorial side, but on a lot of points they are correct, and so am I.

The numbers say I am right, you like to pull charts on Gas prices and production, well use that skill to look at the housing market, and the percentage of people that are in the work force and find what period of history they match. You will find it was called the Great Depression.

Phantom – the (non-corporate) “stupid-ass” blog has taken the numbers from government sources and done the arithmetic. Numbers may be incomprehensible to an innumerate like you but not to me. Let’s take the numbers and the references directly.

Here is the graph which shows the “not in labor force” numbers, and its source – the St Louis Fed:

Add to the (almost)88 million the 12 million currently classed as unemployed before being moved to ‘not in labor force’ and there will be over 100 million Americans of working age without work. As the “stupid-ass” blog said, “you have to be delusional to believe that there are nearly 88 million working age Americans that do not have jobs and that do not want jobs” – and you, Phantom, are delusional.

OK, maybe not delusional. Let’s just say that your bubble is a bit more tightly-sealed than anybody else’s.

Phantom – I had no hopes on you engaging in debate. After all, that’s why you are ATW’s evader-in-chief and let’s face it, I’m not alone in that opinion. Contributers as diverse as Troll, Pete, Agit have all become a bit exasperated at your evasiveness.

Hey, Phantom, you speak only for yourself when you say that someone elses’ posts/links have “zero credibility”. They have zero credibility TO YOU. Don’t assume to speak for me when you say that.
– Just so you know.

(by saying the above, I do not automatically mean that I agree with or accept Allan’s views out of hand, either – I’m just saying, I’ll make up my own mind, without being told what to think by either party).

give it up, Phantom has become the clown of the blog. You and I can disagree, We can disagree with Pete, and A8, but all of us have shown that we can on certain points concede.

Even with Peter and the global warming cult there are topics or subject lines that I can talk to them on. Not phantom though he has become a pariah, it’s become like engaging nancy pelousy or harry reid, or a dozen others on your side of the pond or mine.

Like the pimple said about you in his comment, what he was describing was Phantom and himself (along with a few others) if it was snowing and we said it was, they would put on sunglasses and shorts.

It’s like the people that call Limbaugh’s listeners “mind numb robots”, they like most progressives always accuse their opponents of doing exactly what they are guilty of, Being stuck in a dogma that does not allow an opposing point of view.

When a liberal tells you they want free speech an open debate and compromise, what they really will only accept is blind acceptance of their point of view. All other views must be silenced, then they say “see we all agree”.

Who knows maybe he’s suffering from alcohol poisoning or just lack of a woman in his life.

Allen has zero credibility even if he said the sky is blue on days with out clouds

This is how I work: I will make a statement and, in addition to the text of my case, I will add one link at a time (that seems to be the limit for immediate posting) to back my case. If I said that it were sunny outside, I would attach a time- and date-stamped photo of a known location in Aberdeen and it then becomes incumbent on you to show that I’m wrong. Given the high failure rate of the latter, the thread quickly degenerates into ‘conspiracy theory’ insults which, to me, are simply running away because of the mental overload of understanding the consequences of say, absolute proof of building 7’s controlled demolition (THIS IS NOT AN OPENING ON THAT MATTER).

So on another thread, Agit invokes ‘conspiracy theory’ relating to the failure of the anti-immigration British national party to profit from widespread disgruntlement with that policy. I explained why such failure is deliberate and linked facts which are not in the ‘mainstream’ to make my case. The problem is that I am asked to ‘prove’ my argument – from a seat in front of a computer – when allI can do is put my case and ask for discussion. Invoking ‘conspiracy theory’ is running away!

Yeah invoking the intentional demolition of building 7 by the US governemnt lends you tons of credibility

Troll pfft you have been proven so wrong so many times and then flip flopped your way through the blog that your credibility is shot. By the way I am sorry you got fired and the union didnt back you up

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