Dick Erixon has a post with some choice quotes from the first programme, including scarcely veiled threats directed at the reporter from a government expert on gender issues, as well as these little charmers from Ireen von Wachenfeldt, chairman of ROKS, The National Organization for Women’s Shelters and Young Women’s Shelters in Sweden: "That which happens in war also happens on the quiet in peacetime. But when war breaks out, it is fully ok to use violence openly. I sometimes say that we are involved in a civil world war, a gender war. Men are animals"

Controversy continues here surrounding ROKS, the National Organization for Women’s Shelters, one of Sweden’s largest non-government organizations to help the victims of domestic violence. In a television documentary broadcast Sunday night the group’s president opposed rehabilitation centers for men who abuse their partners, with the comment that all ”men are animals”. Following that outburst at least one long-established local group is leaving ROKS, and affiliating instead with a smaller network of women’s shelters. The opposition Christian Democrat Party has called for an end to the millions of dollars in public funding ROKS receives every year, saying that the government has made an extreme feminist group the representative of all of Sweden’s women. ROKS has issued a press release distancing itself from its president’s comments, but says she was provoked by the television reporter.

This is revealed in Swedish Televisions documentary "The Sex War". The documentary which is being aired this Sunday shows a strong connection between the government's sex equality policies and the national feminist organisation, Roks. In Roks' magazine WomenPressure, the former equality minister Margareta Winberg writes in a coloumn: - Sometimes I am baffled that not more women really hate men. "What do you mean by that?" - When you look around the world to see how women are treated, you can start wondering why women still have patience with men, says Margareta Winberg. "How do you think such a statement will be received?" - Yes, it can be provoking, particularly for men. But, I do not belong to the groups who are manhaters. I just want to emphasize that.

- The fraction within Roks which is radical is not part of government policy, says Margareta Winberg. Roks last year received 11.7 million kroner in government support, and organizes two/thirds of the women's organizations in Sweden. In 2006 the women's organizations are going to share 100 million kroner according to an agreement between the Social Democratic government, the Green Party and the Left Party. In Roks magazine, the extreme feminist Valeria Solana is hailed in a recent review. She writes in her manifesto: "To call a man an animal is to flatter him: He is a machine, a walking dildo, a biological mishap." In the documentary, the chairwoman Irene von Wachenfelt is asked whether she agrees with Solana. - Yes, men are animals. Don't you agree? says Ireen von Wachenfeldt to the reporter.

How long are men just going to stand by and let all this crap happen?? Isn't it time men start to stand up for themselves because this nonsense is getting way too much to me, and I am getting very sick of Sweden and all it's men-bashing laws and restrictions. Men unite! (Especially Swedish men).

How long are men just going to stand by and let all this crap happen?? Isn't it time men start to stand up for themselves because this nonsense is getting way too much to me, and I am getting very sick of Sweden and all it's men-bashing laws and restrictions. Men unite! (Especially Swedish men).

"Dick Erixon has a post with some choice quotes from the first programme, including scarcely veiled threats directed at the reporter from a government expert on gender issues, as well as these little charmers from Ireen von Wachenfeldt, chairman of ROKS, The National Organization for Women’s Shelters and Young Women’s Shelters in Sweden: 'That which happens in war also happens on the quiet in peacetime. But when war breaks out, it is fully ok to use violence openly. I sometimes say that we are involved in a civil world war, a gender war. Men are animals'"

Well come get me, Sunshine! :) Wage war on me, on the quiet, or use open violence on me. Give me your best shot!

Of course, you wouldn't, because don't have the guts to try me out. You talk a decent game, but if you had the opportunity to attack a man whom you knew would defend himself, you'd more likely run from him.

Feminists are the same here in the US. They talk of anti-male violence over the net, or in large groups of women who later go home without doing anything.

Here's a tip, honey. If you issue idle threats that you are too scared to carry out, you are noise.

I can agree that the general male population is suboptimal in some countries (Muslim, Muslim and Muslim).Right. For example, non-Muslim men in sub-Saharan Africa, for example, are celebrated for being sober and industrious.

An interesting observation to make is that these men-hating women almost look like (ugly) men the lot of them. Their hatred towards men seems to physically transform them into the very beings that they hate so much. Being negatively obsessed with men day and night does wonders with the appearance...

Ok, ok, one can find examples of other locations/cultures where male/female relationships are not great.

The point being is that the majority of westernized men are actually allies, rather then enemies.

Women should not be treated as subhuman objects. On the other hand, neither should decent men. Remember, the majority of those people who freed the women of Afghanistan from the Taliban (often at great personal cost) were male.

I remember one author who said that there were two races, the decent and the indecent. That appears to me to be a very logical way to divide the world.

The Taliban may have forced women to stay home, but they _killed_ men or forced them to fight. About 40% of the male population in Afghanistan got killed! Even the view one these things is feminist-influenced here.Facts like Afghan men being imprisoned for being gay hardly make it to the news here, while President Karzai promised to see what he can do to change the law to get females accused of adultery out of the prisons. Where do I have the 40% figure from? Simple, reports whining about women's rights in Afghanistan said that 70% there were women. It's easy to imagine the cause for this. I guess if you're dead, you don't need rights anymore.

A man's life often isn't worth much in Islamic countries, nor his bodily integrity (circumcision, anyone?).It's really time for men to wake up, I hope the radical feminist nonsense will serve as a wakeup call here and there.

Whoa, slow down there dude!No one was saying that life under the Taliban was a picnic for non Taliban men. It was a totalitarian regime that treated anyone who didn't agree with them in a barbaric manner. And I know about the way gays were treated there, also not acceptable or right. However, the thought of being hanged for the crime of learning to read (for women) really got to me because that is what I love most.However, you are letting your anger at a few unreasonable women turn your attitude into one that unfortunately mirrors theirs.

Er, anonymous. . .are you aware that to the best of our current knowlege, the closest female equivalent to a typical male prepucectomy, or circumcision, would consist of:

amputating her clitoral prepuce (female foreskin),

amputating her inner labia,

stripping out an approximately inch-wide circumferential ring of her frontmost inner vaginal skin, and

clamping the resulting two raw edges against each other with thousands of pounds of force until they 'seal' together?

Because that's essentially what you would have to do to a female in order to cause her a set of losses and detriments as close and comparable as possible to those caused to the average male by routine and ritual male prepucectomy.

And when you say 'female genital mutilation', what [i]exactly[/i] are you referring to -- female prepucectomy, labiectomy, clitorectomy, or infibulation?