Can Hillary turn Texas blue?

posted at 1:21 pm on February 22, 2013 by Allahpundit

Look on the bright side: She might not run. In which case we won’t have to worry about Texas imposing a Democratic stranglehold on the White House for the foreseeable future until, oh, 2024 or so.

Or maybe 2020? Much depends on the time frame for that path to citizenship that Schumer, McCain, Rubio, et al. are cooking up.

While the knee-jerk reaction among many Republicans would be to dismiss the idea that the state could be competitive in 2016 — just four years after Mitt Romney carried it by 16 points over President Obama — Texas GOP Chairman Steve Munisteri is in no mood to sneer.

In an interview with RCP, Munisteri said that he has long taken seriously the possibility that Texas could become a battleground as early as 2016, particularly if Clinton becomes the Democratic standard-bearer.

“If she’s the nominee, I would say that this is a ‘lean Republican’ state but not a ‘solid Republican’ state,” he said. “I don’t know anyone nationally who’s scoffing at this. The national party leadership is aware and tells me they’re taking it seriously.”

Munisteri said that he has had recent discussions with Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus about the need to prepare for a significant change in the political dynamic here, noting that the need will likely become even more pressing in the next decade. That’s when Texas is expected to see its minority population rise more sharply — as it adds as many as four additional electoral votes to make it an even shinier target for Democrats than it already is.

Texas had 38 electoral votes last year, second only to California and equal to the EVs of Ohio and Pennsylvania combined. If RCP is right about there being four more EVs on tap by the end of the decade, Texas’s 42 would match the sum of Florida and Virginia. Assuming California and New York hold steady at their current totals, winning those two plus Texas with 42 would start Democrats off with 126 electoral votes, just shy of halfway to the 270 needed to win the White House with plenty of reliably blue northeastern states still to be counted. If that doesn’t put in perspective for you how important it is for the GOP to hold the Lone Star, chew on this: After Texas, the state that delivered the most electoral votes to Romney last year was Georgia with … 16. Obama won seven states with 16 or more EVs. Iceberg, right ahead.

Democrats are hopeful that the immovable object — the overwhelmingly male, conservative Republican power structure — is about to meet the unstoppable force: demography. Texas is home to 9.5 million Hispanics, about 38 percent of the population, just seven points behind the non-Hispanic white population. In 2020, Hispanics will begin to surpass the white population and will outright dwarf it in 2030…

But the biggest problem is voter participation. Only about half of eligible Hispanic voters show up nationwide; this edged up slightly in 2012 to 53 percent. In Texas, just 4.1 million Hispanics are registered to vote, and only about half of them make it to the voting booth…

[Improving Latino turnout] requires ground troops, voter education and turnout efforts over a multicycle campaign. It also requires that Democrats stop assuming they’re going to lose. “If we start treating this as a purple state,” said Matt Glazer of the activist group Progress Texas, “we would be one that much sooner.”

Yeah, what’s most alarming about all this isn’t Hillary’s star power or demographic nuances, it’s that Democrats haven’t really even been trying in Texas recently. There was no reason to; defeat was a fait accompli, so money and manpower were best applied in other states. That won’t be true for much longer. In fact, one of the more amazing details in the RCP and NYT pieces is that Rick Perry only pulled 39 percent of the Latino vote in 2010. That’s exceptionally good by Republican standards, but Perry’s not a standard Republican. He was a two-term incumbent at the time; he presided over jobs growth even as the rest of the country was staggering from the aftereffects of the recession; and he was, as many prominent Republicans in Texas are, more moderate on immigration policy than the GOP nationally. (Which hurt him in the presidential primary debates, natch.) He ended up winning the election with nearly 55 percent of the vote. And yet he still couldn’t crack 40 percent among Latinos. Imagine what Republican numbers will look like once OFA or whatever its successor is gets serious about organizing and turning out Latino voters.

As for Hillary, here’s the PPP poll from last month that has 2016 strategists wringing their hands. Rubio fares best against her but even he’s trailing by a point at the moment (that’ll change, needless to say, as his name recognition rises to rival hers). A Hillary run is bad news for every Republican, I think, except for Rubio, for whom it’s mixed news: She’s the most formidable potential candidate on the Democratic side by light years, but precisely because she performs so well with Latino voters, there’ll be added pressure on the Republican side to try to counter that by nominating Rubio. Will it work? Well, per the NYT piece, Ted Cruz apparently got fewer Latino votes last year than John Cornyn did in 2008. The author theorizes that that’s because he’s of Cuban ancestry whereas most of Texas’s Latino population is Mexican; Rubio’s of Cuban ancestry too, so if it’s a barrier for Cruz it might be a barrier for him. Then again, it could be that the reason Cruz fared more poorly with Latinos is because he ran further to the right than Cornyn did and Latinos are, after all, mostly Democrats. Rubio would run a bit further to the center as a presidential nominee so maybe that would close the gap.

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The dems don’t win the cities by much, except for Austin. The states aren’t divided into electoral votes so the blue strong holds aren’t as important. Just look at the last dem statewide office holders. The only one worth remembering is Bullock and he was a democrat a republican could vote for.

When the dems offered up Ron Kirk, and the guy who lost to Cruz, they didn’t come close. Heck, IIRC, when there was the several way governors race in 2006, the dem didn’t come close and the other candidates were supposed to drain from Perry.

If Fort Worth turns blue I will start to worry. Until then, its more chicken little ranting.

My theory on Rubio vs. Cruz is that Rubio has done quite a bit more in terms of outreach to the wider Latino community emphasizing a common culture. He does quite a bit of Spanish language media for instance. After the SOTU response he did as many Spanish stations as English stations. He emphasizes his working class, first generation American background. Cruz just seems to want to be a blowhard.

Also, I think that part of why Rubio is pushing immigration reform is because it does minimize the tensions between the Cuban community and the rest of the Hispanic community over immigration status and gives him more credibility there.

Illinidiva on February 22, 2013 at 2:14 PM

Rubio is hispandering for votes. He’s a tanner, younger version of McCain, with better teeth.
Cruz is a conservative.

great comments, everybody thinks Houston is booming. Wrong. Houston has averaged 1% growth over the last 10 years. Sugar Land? 8%, Pearland? 11%, Montgomery County on the north side is around 15%, Ft. Bend County (SugarLland) is rated as the strongest job market in the US behind Washington, DC.

Exxon is consolodating most of its US offices to the Woodlands (Mont. County) and that part of the world is busting out and is very conservative.

The libs in Austin are howling about the influx of new people sullying their pristine town as California relocates their tax weary Silicon Valley workers there. I bet those folks don’t bring all that baggage with them.

One of the big problems that the right has it that it doesn’t get that in places like Texas its a victim of its own success. Want cheap labor? We got it, but just know all that 8 buck an hour labor is on medicaid, foodstamps,etc and naturally becomes a big D constituency. Its actually one of those consequences for having few private sector unions. You get a more dynamic economy, but you also end up with a lot of people qualifying for benefits. Im not arguing for more unions, i dont want dallas to look like detroit, but we need to come up with some new ideas for these relatively new problems

Just wait until Hillary starts talking with that Texas twang and breaks out the Dale Evans dress and cowgirl boots, with the Stetson hat, I feel the sway a-comin’ and those Texans will be begging to pay higher taxes and have all their refineries shut down.

Four years is an eternity in Politics. I remember how Hillary was inevitable in 2008….. until she wasn’t.

In four years the electorate may have had ample opportunities to see how screwed up things are under Democrats. Obama may still be personally popular but even the clueless youngsters may finally notice that they’re under-employed and their futures are diminished.

We need to worry about rebuilding the electoral infrastructure, developing our candidates, and pleasantly pointing out how awful all of the Dem’s potential candidates (for every level) are.

I knew that statement had to come from Bluegill or you. I see you buddy, Sen. Kirk, may be Obama’s ace in the hole on gun control.

bw222 on February 22, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Very much doubt that gun control is going anywhere. Good luck convincing Joe Manchin to vote for it (or Mark Pryor for that matter). Yes, Kirk will make noises about it, but he also votes Republican on fiscal issues.

And what exactly has Cruz done in the Senate except trying to audition for a talk radio show?

John Cornyn used the conservative Mexican Churchs, he used David Barton the Bible Salesman who helped the Bush’s and other RINO’s get elected. you can find his nut case web site, if you want to be soiled,, http://www.wallbuilders.com

And I use the term “used” in its lowest meaning.

Now that we have him and his go’fers out of the top spots in the party the Republican Party of Texas is back to its conservative roots and we will win as long as we do not go back to that mess.

ps
Life time church person, both grandfathers decons on churches.
wife gets me in the pickup every Sunday and to church. Not anti church just anti nut case.

And what exactly has Cruz done in the Senate except trying to audition for a talk radio show?

Illinidiva on February 22, 2013 at 2:34 PM

He’s garnered more liberal hate in two months than the rest of the GOP has in their entire careers. Watch as Cornyn moves back to the right. He raises the intelligience of the senate by legions and the members on both sides will know he won’t play nice with fools.

What is it that people don’t understand about Texas? The governor, lieutenant governor, both U.S. senators, attorney general, all 18 judges on Texas Supreme Court and Court of Criminal Appeals, both houses of the legislature…ALL GOP controlled! This is not a state remotely ready to turn blue. I’d give some credence to this nonsense if a few of the above offices were blue, but it’s not even close. Not to mention the fact that many here in Texas, including dems, despise Hillary. So please, give it a rest.

What is so funny is that the GNN (Goebbles News Networks) and the commie Democrat leadership and base expect any and all Republicans to tuck tail and run once the GNN goes after them a-la McCain etal.

We have 8 to 10 now in the Senate who get it.

We have 80 to 100 House members who get it.

I think part of why Obama is so wild eyed and nut case now is that their internal polling shows them facts. They lie, they lived by the lie and they think lies will rule and all will just be fine.
Just observe the libs who post here, no understanding of the truth or facts, just re-lie the lies. Possible the real world has found a leak and is drip, driping on Oholes little head.

He’s garnered more liberal hate in two months than the rest of the GOP has in their entire careers. Watch as Cornyn moves back to the right. He raises the intelligience of the senate by legions and the members on both sides will know he won’t play nice with fools.

DanMan on February 22, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Yes. He is a useful foil for them, just like She who Must Not Be Named. There is a difference between fear hate in the Democratic Party and that sort of hate.

He’s garnered more liberal hate in two months than the rest of the GOP has in their entire careers. Watch as Cornyn moves back to the right. He raises the intelligience of the senate by legions and the members on both sides will know he won’t play nice with fools.

DanMan on February 22, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Are you serious? You think that old fat assed Ayatollah is intelligent?

Is intelligent spending $10 MILLION dollars on Carly Fiorina’s Senate campaign in California … where uber-lib Barbara Boxer wiped the floor with her face?

Is “intelligent” endorsing Charlie Crist for Florida Senate over Marco Rubio? And then having Crist switch to another party?

Is “intelligent” endorsing Arlen Specter over Pat Toomey – and then having Spector become a democrat?

Is “intelligent” the operative word when one cuts and runs on a Republican senate candidate in a winnable race just because he (Todd Akin) said ONE THING bad? “Hufff, Hufff, WE ARE NOT GOING TO SUPPORT THIS MAN! HUFF, HUFF – PLEASE VOTE FOR THE DEMOCRAT!”

LOL – that’s intelligent?

Is “intelligent” spending millions on Snottie Brown in Mass where he got his ass handed to him by a fake indian?

Because uhm … John Cornyn did ALL the above while he’s been the chairman of the National Republican Senatorial Committee.

He’s garnered more liberal hate in two months than the rest of the GOP has in their entire careers. Watch as Cornyn moves back to the right. He raises the intelligience of the senate by legions and the members on both sides will know he won’t play nice with fools.

DanMan on February 22, 2013 at 2:41 PM

Yes. He is a useful foil for them, just like She who Must Not Be Named. There is a difference between fear hate in the Democratic Party and that sort of hate.

Illinidiva on February 22, 2013 at 2:49 PM

M’kay, honey. We see where you’re going here.
You share that hate for our conservatives and just want everyone to just get along.
If it wasn’t for all those principles, we could all be just like you.

LOL, but it won’t, that’s the point. The GOP would have to go full-on libtard and offer to expand entitlements MORE than democrats for that to happen, and well… then what’s the f*cking point?

Midas on February 22, 2013 at 2:40 PM

If you subscribe to the racist stereotype that all Hispanics are lazy-ass moochers looking for a hand-out, you’d be right. But a lot of them come here and work their rear-ends off.

Of course, some of them are looking for hand-outs…but you could say the same about a lot of the trailer-park trash shopping (or shoplifting) at Wal-Mart.

No, I think a lot of Hispanics need to be shown Republicans and conservatives aren’t racists who hate them because their skin tone is a shade or two darker and they have a different native language. And if nominating a Hispanic ticket helps to do that, then I have absolutely no problem with it.

One other thing: I firmly believe Hispanics have a hell of a lot to offer this country – if we don’t mishandle this and let them become another grievence-based racial group who thinks Dems are looking out for them by giving them just enough govt money to keep them poor.

LOL, but it won’t, that’s the point. The GOP would have to go full-on libtard and offer to expand entitlements MORE than democrats for that to happen, and well… then what’s the f*cking point?

Midas on February 22, 2013 at 2:40 PM

If you subscribe to the racist stereotype that all Hispanics are lazy-ass moochers looking for a hand-out, you’d be right. But a lot of them come here and work their rear-ends off.

Of course, some of them are looking for hand-outs…but you could say the same about a lot of the trailer-park trash shopping (or shoplifting) at Wal-Mart.

No, I think a lot of Hispanics need to be shown Republicans and conservatives aren’t racists who hate them because their skin tone is a shade or two darker and they have a different native language. And if nominating a Hispanic ticket helps to do that, then I have absolutely no problem with it.

One other thing: I firmly believe Hispanics have a hell of a lot to offer this country – if we don’t mishandle this and let them become another grievence-based racial group who thinks Dems are looking out for them by giving them just enough govt money to keep them poor.

Okay sweetie, since Cruz is so bad, who has been a good senator in your opinion?

cozmo on February 22, 2013 at 2:52 PM

Well if I say Mark Kirk and Marco Rubio then of course I’ll get blasted. Because Mark Kirk has always been squishy (although he is a gazillion times better than the last occupant of that Senate seat)and I’ve recently learned that Rubio is an evil RINO. So let’s throw out some more names.. Kelly Ayotte and Rob Portman for instance. Also, I think that Rand Paul serves a useful role in the Republican Party although he’d be a surefire loser as Presidential nominee.

75% Three-quarters of U.S. Hispanics prefer a big government which provides more services to a small one providing fewer services. This figure is significally lower among the public at large.

Of course, some of them are looking for hand-outs…but you could say the same about a lot of the trailer-park trash shopping (or shoplifting) at Wal-Mart.

Anti-White racism…how chic.

No, I think a lot of Hispanics need to be shown Republicans and conservatives aren’t racists who hate them because their skin tone is a shade or two darker and they have a different native language.

Racist again? Didn’t you already cover that?

And if nominating a Hispanic ticket helps to do that, then I have absolutely no problem with it.

Race pandering. How liberal.

One other thing: I firmly believe Hispanics have a hell of a lot to offer this country – if we don’t mishandle this and let them become another grievence-based racial group who thinks Dems are looking out for them by giving them just enough govt money to keep them poor.

DRayRaven on February 22, 2013 at 3:01 PM

So if they vote the same way they have been voting in past elections, and the way they have been voting south of the border for a hundred years, that is the fault of the right?

Is there anything in your world that isn’t the fault of conservatives?

So, in other words, you prefer to simplistically believe that all Hispanics come here because they want to be on welfare. It must be comforting to be able to categorize people like that. It saves you from exerting yourself too much with critical thought, I’m sure.

If the entire conservative movement thinks like you do, we may as well figure on being in a permanent political minority. Obama is just a little taste of what we’re going to get in years to come.

So, in other words, you prefer to simplistically believe that all Hispanics come here because they want to be on welfare. It must be comforting to be able to categorize people like that. It saves you from exerting yourself too much with critical thought, I’m sure.

If the entire conservative movement thinks like you do, we may as well figure on being in a permanent political minority. Obama is just a little taste of what we’re going to get in years to come.

Cry me a river. Your whole post is you whining and stamping your feet about someone calling you out on how you’re perceived. And that’s not my fault – it’s yours.

Yeah, you can tell yourself – and others in the movement – that you don’t mean to sound racist when you say Hispanics only come here because they love big govt and want to sit on their asses collecting welfare checks (which doesn’t explain why so many of them pick our fruit, roof our houses, and wait around for Americans in pickup trucks to drive by and give them work), but that’s exactly what most of them think about you when they hear you talk: you’re a racist and you don’t want them here. So why should they vote for you?

You can tell me I sound like a liberal, and you can even feel smug and superior about it, but that will be small comfort when Hispanics vote for Democrats in numbers similar to blacks and you’re living in a second-rate country with a second-rate economy among growing numbers of people who hate you and don’t mind confiscating what little wealth you have left.

cozmo, did you get your answer here? looks like another astonerii that can’t be satisfied with nothin’, nohow, noway, never.

Illindiva, the guy was solicitor general of our state, he argued and won before the supreme court on several occasions including knocking the UN back on the world court stage when they tried to stop us from offing their illegal aliens that murdered on the wrong side of the border. Who’s your favorite again?

Do you like Kirk because of his beliefs, or is the best your state can do? Only Rubio and Paul have greater name recognition than Cruz. Paul, because of his name recognition and potential has to keep a lower profile. Cruz campaigned as a man to shake up the establishment and opposition. He is keeping his word to his constituents. Something rare these days. Cruz is also a top notch litigator and debater. He is well suited to the role he has chosen.

He may not be your cup of tea, but he hits the mark for many others.

Instead of crapping on a senator you don’t like, cheer on those you do.

AP if Texas turns blue so does the whole map. I also can’t think of a more known liberal quantity than Hillary Clinton who has an image that can’t be changed to take Texas. Move on AP and quit trolling for bad news.

Texas is home to 9.5 million Hispanics, about 38 percent of the population, just seven points behind the non-Hispanic white population. In 2020, Hispanics will begin to surpass the white population and will outright dwarf it in 2030…

And when I was 15 years old I grew 6 inches…and that means today I will be 30+ foot tall!!!

But yet I am not 30 foot tall today?

First stop freaking out over demographic reports because they keep claiming Hispanics will continue to grow at current rates which no group does.

Two Rubio will be more successful because he speaks Spanish and has more outreach to Hispanics than Cruz does. I like Cruz but lets face it he has been removed from the Hispanic culture for most of his life. He just has a harder time relating to them. It is hard to sell conservatism to someone if you never try and you spend your entire time going Nativist.

Also Hispanics don’t get along with African-Americans. This is a reality. The democrat coalition will face a huge hurdle when Hispanic leaders demand the same respect and more power which will have to come at the expense of White progressives from the Northeast and West, and African-Americans. From some reason I don’t think they will give that power up. That will lead to a political civil war the same way the old democratic south fell out with the hippy left in the 1960s-70s in the democratic party.

The GOP needs to be ready to exploit those divisions and break up that coalition when that will occur, in fact it could happen by 2016 or 2020.

Don’t treat workers like chattel(as done many times via contractors and staffing agencies). It’s worked in the North where unions weren’t wanted but scorched earth war wasn’t a desirable option. A content workforce is more likely to be productive and not want unions.

That said, why not make Right to Work count part-timers, contractors, and staffing agencies equal to labor unions – in terms of the consent provision?

Do you like Kirk because of his beliefs, or is the best your state can do?

I agree with Kirk on social issues for the most part, except abortion. I also have an affinity for Kirk because he used to represent the district next to where I live. I used to pretend he was my Rep. because mine is so awful.

Only Rubio and Paul have greater name recognition than Cruz. Paul, because of his name recognition and potential has to keep a lower profile. Cruz campaigned as a man to shake up the establishment and opposition. He is keeping his word to his constituents. Something rare these days. Cruz is also a top notch litigator and debater. He is well suited to the role he has chosen.

My whole concern about Cruz is I’m turned off by his personality. He really comes off as a smarmy know-it-all. He reminds me of a fellow Harvard Law Review Editor turned politician in his outraged self-righteousness (just saying). If I dislike those personality traits in Obama, it seems hypocritical for me to be enthused by those same traits in Cruz.

Instead of crapping on a senator you don’t like, cheer on those you do.

cozmo on February 22, 2013 at 3:23 PM

I think that the press is looking to make Cruz an albatross around the GOP in general and Rubio in particular. He might play well on talk radio, but he doesn’t play well with indies. Frankly, Obama only plays well because of the incredibly slanted press coverage he receives. One of the reasons why people were so turned off by him after the 1st Debate is because it showed Obama’s true thin skinned personality.

Two Rubio will be more successful because he speaks Spanish and has more outreach to Hispanics than Cruz does. I like Cruz but lets face it he has been removed from the Hispanic culture for most of his life. He just has a harder time relating to them. It is hard to sell conservatism to someone if you never try and you spend your entire time going Nativist.

Agreed.. Rubio is really part of the Hispanic culture. He lives in a Cuban American neighborhood. Spanish was probably spoken around the Rubio house when he was growing up as a primary language. His background is similar to many first generation Mexican Americans.

Is Pew now the standard bearer of polls now. I just saw a poll by them yesterday that had the majority of Americans wanting more taxes, that is until I looked at the internals and realized why the poll was whack. You can’t judge people by strange open ended questions that can mean anything. For instance the same poll you have linked to Hispanics felt they were more like conservatives than liberals. When someone says they want more services, what do they mean? Do they mean better education for their children? Do they mean safer streets? Do they mean a free cell phone from China? We just don’t know anymore than we know if they understand what a conservative or liberal is in America.

Lets look at some of the numbers from the Hispanic Pew Poll not in the headline…

(1) Is Speaking English Important to learn to be an American?

Hispanics

95% Yes
4% No

(2) Can most people get ahead with hard work or are hard work and determination no guarantee of success?

Hispanics

Most can get by with hard work: 75%
Hard work and determination are no guarantee of success: 21%

Rest of us Americans…

Most can get by with hard work: 58%
Hard work and determination are no guarantee of success: 40%

(3) Would you say that most people can be trusted or that you can’t be too careful in dealing with people? (This question matters because lots of people here claim the Hispanics will be like many African-Americans just voting democrat no matter what)

It is clear the “better for poor” might sound great for democrats, however the low numbers for moral values and family ties shows that Hispanics do see the moral decay in America in our home life. Once again something conservatives can move on. Obviously the first two can be used to Republican advantage, better economy means better chances to get ahead and school vouchers mean better education for Hispanics.

Once again economic opportunities means you have to have an good economy. People don’t move to America to get a free Chinese made cell phone.

(6) Racial Identification:

Hispanic think they are…

White: 36%
Hispanic or Latino: 25%
Black: 10%
Some other race: 26%

So much for the white minority by 2050.

What the poll shows me is immigrants from Latin America are very much in play. The reason democrats have made more inroads is because their party machines have made more of an attempt to get their votes. GOP on the other hand have basically done nothing, which is not surprising because the GOP sucks at getting anyone out. Considering how inept Romney’s campaign was at getting out the vote with everyone, the real problem is not immigrants from Latin America, it is our own party machine which is broken.

Once again remember the GOP does not have to win a majority of Latinos…just a large minority. I think 40% is enough to do it and that is doable.

GOP on the other hand have basically done nothing, which is not surprising because the GOP sucks at getting anyone out. Considering how inept Romney’s campaign was at getting out the vote with everyone, the real problem is not immigrants from Latin America, it is our own party machine which is broken.

Once again remember the GOP does not have to win a majority of Latinos…just a large minority. I think 40% is enough to do it and that is doable.

William Eaton on February 22, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Romney’s problem is that his whole campaign was based on two things.. The economy sucks and really bad technology. There is something called old fashioned retail politics that seems to be missing. If Romney had been a smart politician, he would have set up a foundation focused on poverty or education or something and at least given him some credibility on that front.

I am getting that deja vu all over again feeling. Hillary Clinton has lock on the White House in 2016. I didn’t know that she could serve four terms. I remember when she was lock on the White House in 2008. Oh wait a minute, she lost to this unknown community organizer out of Chicago. So much for her invincibility.

Hillary Clinton had stroke. Her health is going to deteriorate over the four years. I give her only an 80% chance of being alive in 2016. You heard it here first. Hilary Clinton will not be a candidate in 2016.

Once again remember the GOP does not have to win a majority of Latinos…just a large minority. I think 40% is enough to do it and that is doable.

William Eaton

So we just need to regularly get a percentage that we’ve gotten only once since they started keeping statistics on this, lol….a number we didn’t even get after giving them amnesty the first time. And you know what’s funny? The president that DID get 40% is hated by most of the country, Hispanics included, and will be a drag on the party for who knows how long. Talk about irony.

By the way, Romney would have lost with 40%, but don’t tell anyone. Amnesty shills don’t like it when the truth comes out.

Oh, and here’s a little factoid: The group that supports Obamacare the most? Hispanics. Yeah, that 40% is doable alright. We just have to become democrats.

No, I think a lot of Hispanics need to be shown Republicans and conservatives aren’t racists who hate them because their skin tone is a shade or two darker and they have a different native language. And if nominating a Hispanic ticket helps to do that, then I have absolutely no problem with it.

DRayRaven

So the way to show Hispanics that we aren’t racists and don’t care about skin color is to nominate a man based solely on the color of his skin.

One thing I am sure of…IF she is the nominee..and IF we have any b*lls at all..it would not take much to push her buttons..she tends to blow…and screech..Men don’t like screech!!!! nor women for that matter.also no amount of diet and plastic surgery can save her…it only took less than 4 years for her looks to turn into the train wreak she is right now..I honestly don’t think that major plastic surgery is an option in her case..with her medical history…DVT and now the last incident..stroke???
she like to drink and that is not going to take the weight off.
We all know she is a harpy, but if you really want your hair to stand on end..read the new book The Whistleblower. Hilary is one scary…dude..and Bill is scared sh***less of her…

The Whistleblower is not the same as the movie with Rachel Weiss ? sp Part of the title is :How the Clinton White House stayed in power to reemerge in the Obama administration. also by the same author..Following Orders: The Death of Vince Foster..I could hardly put down either book and I thought I knew most of everything that could have possibility been in them..maybe not…