I am pro-choice myself. Never saw it as anything other then killing a baby. I don't like when people who present it as anything more or less. I am not
bothered by it morally. To me the consciousness is so limited that the baby is equivalent to many creatures we kill daily for reasons.

And if the medical procedure is done early enough, there is no consciousness.

Prove it.

New tech is coming out all the time....but tests in these areas are HIGHLY suppressed.

We can test the mother though..and see undeniable changes in HER consciousness and see all manner of irregular patterns.

ANYTHING can be tested...those cells are not like the cancer cells someone wants hacked off.

Methinks a wholelot of surprises are in store for us all in the next few years...

Abortion: "if you liberals care, you'd adopt children into your own home!"

Cannabis: "it should be illegal, it's dangerous and addictive"

Video games: "we should restrict what these kids are seeing, it's too violent!"

Conservative logic isn't logic, it's emotion. That's why they so often project "libtards operate in emotion, we operate in fact."

ATS is an echo chamber, hence the use of "haters," around the board. I genuinely feel bad for those who spend day after day going in circles for...
whatever reasons, discussing the same topics, with the same people, with the same outcomes.

I'm a registered Republican, and I remember when people considered Ron Paul "too extreme," or "too fringe," yet now these same people defend the
"rights,"' of Nazism whilst boycotting and going full SJW of everything that offends them.

Politics used to be in many different products, books, movies, video games... now? Now it's really not, and it's because people can't handle it.

I remember playing KOTOR and it was heavily political.... even Skyrim is political, and essentially predicted the 2016 elections (I may elaborate on
this with a thread at some point). Deus Ex was heavily political, Metal Gear and MGS were political. Animal Farm, 1984, Brave New World... all
political.

People pretend as if they're having "politics shoved down their throats," which is telling. The cult-like mentality displayed regularly here on ATS
doesn't exist anywhere else (minus the obvious right-wing forums/blogs, but that's to be expected).

There's really no point in trying to discuss any sort of opposing viewpoint, it's so quickly shot down and dismissed on ATS.

One last thing.... how have all of those "bombshells," panned out in regards to Obama, Clinton, etc etc Are they still wearing ankle moniters? Is Q
about to drop the truth, but for real this time? Is the deep state on its knees... for almost a year now?

It's easier to fool people than to convince them they're being fooled. People are making cash over fist from the useful idiots that subscribe to the
"Trump is going to destroy the deep state," narrative. I could be wrong, but it's brazenly clear that nothing is going to be done, and that Trump has
conned the American people.

And Q? Perfect execution as to control your mark.

What a joke of a post.

The same tone is posted all over the internet.
with the left actually doing FAR MORE OF IT.

Then the media and just about every form of entertainment speaks about it.

Face the facts..we are never going back to the times of even 2 years ago..EVER AGAIN.EVER.

We are just about to hit 3rd gear in a 5 speed engine...with each gear taking less than 1.5 years now.

This is just the confusion that makes the choices all too clear...and fact is all that was before is just FLAT OUT BORING.

THAT is why these convos are all around everywhere...cause it is JUST THE WAY THAT IT IS.

a reply to: kaylaluv
Im offended decorum and manners PLEASE! Why don't you quit with the troll and accusations and lite liberal attack and do your homework. Margaret
Sanger was a eugenicist. Wanted to get rid of blacks and Jews. And you of all people attach yourself to that. Shame on you.

define "people". is a fetilized egg a "people"? if so, then it's really rather sad that so many "people" come and go from this world with no one
ever knowing that they existed... not every fertilized egg even make it to the point of being embedding themselves onto the uterus to start the
process of becoming a
"people"...

what about the jellyfish babies, do we consider those "people"? www.wiseinternational.org...
other deformities are prevalent on the marshall islands, some of which even the mothers refer to them as monsters...
if you consider them "people" then shouldn't you also be willing to invest in medical care that offers these "people" a chance for life? invest in
the cost of turning monsters into "people"? or at least invest in the cost of easing their pain as they pass from this life?

roe v wade decided not to go down that path since there is no clear answer as to just when a fertilized egg becomes a "people". instead they somehow
came up with it being a privacy issue, which I can see how it could be a privacy issue. we value our privacy when it comes to our medical care a
great deal it seems. no one can obtain our medical records unless we give them permission, and yet, you expect women who's pregnancy are causing them
medical problems to allow their medical information to be made public to justify their need for an abortion? and then even when their need is made
known and is obviously justifiable, well, many will then claim it's doctors lying, ect.

if you have someone renting an apartment you own, and they trash the place, the cops are coming every other night to bust up loud parties, or mediate
between neighborhood conflicts, you expect to be able to evict them, don't you? well, why should it be any different when it's a fetus disrupting the
life of the mother to a great extent? so, we use the word viability, the point where the fetus can be evicted and survive as being the point in which
abortion should be restricted.

the prolifers can't even seem to agree as to just when the fertilized egg becomes a "people" deserving of protection they range all over the place
with most of americans feeling that abortion should be allowed in some circumstances, and in some timeframe of the pregnancy.

the country, along with the gov't was filled with eugenicist, with our gov't coming up with programs to sterilize those groups they deemed as being
not fit WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE AND AGAINST THEIR WILL...
Sanger took a different approach, choosing instead to teach women how to control their own birth rate and she was arrested for sharing that knowledge
with women. she wasn't forcing anyone to do anything, only providing knowledge along with the tools to those women who chose to accept it weather
they were rich or poor, black or white.. and by the way, those who were rich enough often traveled to europe where there was no law against the
things she provided!!
if you don't see the big difference between those two approaches, you are blind!!!

They just do it to vilify women, never do they even attempt to bring answers to reduce abortion they just want to call some women murderers.
Like I have said they cry freedom for guns while crying to limit women's freedom.

originally posted by: Ansuzrune
a reply to: kaylaluv
Im offended decorum and manners PLEASE! Why don't you quit with the troll and accusations and lite liberal attack and do your homework. Margaret
Sanger was a eugenicist. Wanted to get rid of blacks and Jews. And you of all people attach yourself to that. Shame on you.

Who needs homework when all we have to do is trust CNN to give us all the "facts" we need?

Hillary claims Trump is a racist but then she also claims her personal hero is a white supremist who attempted to exterminate Blacks from America.

Wh
y this bloodlust on the part of the Illuminati? Why are they obsessed with the urge to commit mass murder? It is a fact that the elite have long been
the prime sponsors of global depopulation schemes. The Rockefellers funded Margaret Sanger's eugenics programs and helped her set up Planned
Parenthood. George Herbert Walker Bush, as a young Congressman, served as head of Rockefellers' Zero Population Growth organization.

To this day, the elite fund the drive by crazed environmentalists for a "sustainable earth." The stated goal, as CNN founder Ted Turner explained, is
to wipe off the face of the earth some five and one-half billion inhabitants, leaving only 500 million alive.

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