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NOTES: Three debutantes here, and all three caused a bit of a stir. Ukraine, co-hosts, upset Italy in their first match but were unable to capitalise on this and lost both their following games. Neither of the other two, Slovakia or Bosnia & Herz, made it through the group stage, but both were beyond unlucky. Each of them finished level on points with the second places in their groups, Italy and Poland respectively, as well as level on goals difference and goals scored. It was the results between teams rules which put paid to their ambitions. The only real surprise of the group stage was Holland's failure, as they finished without a single point or even goal to their name. (Sound at all familiar?)

Croatia did amazingly well to thrash Spain, but saw their challenge end against a resilient England side. It was the European nemesis and bogey team Portugal however who finally put the English down in a tightly contested final, for their first ever major international honours.

No real surprises here. New Caledonia and Solomon Islands may have fancied their chances of getting through to the semi finals but until big boys New Zealand get knocked out at this stage, I don't really think we can call any group stage occurrences a shock.

Well, well, well. A sure shock on our hands here, as unfancied Papua New Guinea, the largest nation in the competition in both size and population, defeated perennial champions New Zealand. They then went on to register another shock, crushing hosts Fiji in the final. (Perhaps New Zealand's loss shouldn't be such a huge surprise, as they lost convincingly to New Caledonia, who in turn lost to Tahiti in the final of the real thing, just two weeks ago).

Yes, the league is mine! Muhahaha! But what happened in the cup :O ok and I have one real talent, the best in the league, but Mardona has 2 great ones. Hmm, I don't know who won the rivalry this time round!

Haha this is awesome. Looking forward to this rivalry for seasons to come!

NOTES: Great Britain (well, England plus Aaron Ramsey) were formed especially for this tournament, and Papiss Cissé FC reject Alan Pardew was appointed manager of the ceremonial side. They did well, getting through their group will relative ease; only a draw against Mexico stopping them from taking maximum points. Ivory Coast and Australia struggled in a tough group, and Solomon Islands were far from outclassed in theirs.

There were some fabulous matches on show, demonstrating that the future of football is bright. After a couple of close matches Eng- *cough* Great Britain defeated Spain in a thrilling final. Home hero Wayne Rooney, one of three overage players along with Leighton Baines and James Milner (yeah I know?!), opened the scoring, and Britain's brightest boys did the rest. A shame the nation of Great Britain will never play again.

Hmm, some bad news. It seems the Virgin Champions' Cup isn't running, and I'm not quite sure. I definitely set it to begin in 2012 with a yearly interval, but it's telling me that it's not been scheduled yet, despite it being a month after the date it should be, so I must have gone wrong somewhere. It's not the most important tournament, and with the leagues and cups all working, as well as the Google World Club Cup, I've decided that I'm just going to not bother with it in this sign-up - it's only a six team tournament anyway really just there for extra bragging rights. Sorry about that.

How amazing is this sign up man!!! Really happy having TWO players in the top five best players in my Clover Hotspur team and getting top goal scorer! Shame we couldn't do anything in the cups and got to do better in the league with those players! But amazing work DAVE!

No real surprises here. New Caledonia and Solomon Islands may have fancied their chances of getting through to the semi finals but until big boys New Zealand get knocked out at this stage, I don't really think we can call any group stage occurrences a shock.

Well, well, well. A sure shock on our hands here, as unfancied Papua New Guinea, the largest nation in the competition in both size and population, defeated perennial champions New Zealand. They then went on to register another shock, crushing hosts Fiji in the final. (Perhaps New Zealand's loss shouldn't be such a huge surprise, as they lost convincingly to New Caledonia, who in turn lost to Tahiti in the final of the real thing, just two weeks ago).

Not too disheartened by seeing Der Bandits relegated in our first season. Ours was always the long game, focusing on youth an facilities with a view to a successful future. Very encouraging that Martin Podrygala is with us, a 16 year old with 180 PA and a big big future. Let's hope he stays!

It was an excellent season for the neutrals; a very tight race ultimately being won by the Ivorians, Etoiles Mondiales. The last season's winners of the top two divisions, Espérance and Fennec were both right up there, but missed out, with just six points separating the top six sides. Away from top flight matters, it was another dismal season for Morocco's Chamakh Attack, who will be wondering just what it is they're doing wrong. No such worries for AFC Seychelles Athletics, and the Libyan Mediterranean Knights, who both sealed back-to-back promotions. However, team of the season must be Lions of Judah SC, of Ethiopia, who not only won Division Two and promotion, but also inflicted some huge giant killings on the way to victory in the cup. An outstanding double.

Arabian Knights looked imperious this season, the Saudis comfortably winning the league, as well as the super cup. However, they got an almighty shock from Indian outfit Gandhi United, who celebrated back to back promotions with a cup win. They'll be in the Premier League next season, and surely major challengers to the Knights. Elsewhere, FC Pueblo suffered back to back relegations. I'd be worried right now if I was coaching the North Koreans...

A second league title in as many attempts for Les Aigles, and although Beja Bulls of Potugal were again close, it was the two promoted sides who were the French's nearest challengers, making major inroads straight away in the division. Der Bandits, relegated last season from the top flight, suffered the heartbreak of relegation again. Despite having some real quality coming through the ranks, the Germans were just quite not good enough once more.

The Beiruti Cedars are dropping like a stone. Not good news for Lebanon. Thankfully fans of FC Deġjanik are getting used to their role of mid-table makeweights. Hopefully those youth facilities will start bearing fruit soon.

Just discovered yet ANOTHER error I've made with the database - I think I must have given priority to the second place in the league (in North America) priority over cup winners to appear in the super cup, as Arima Otters took Three Little Birds United's place. That means my embarrassingly large list of errors, none of which I managed to spot during testing includes:

- Champions' Cup doesn't work at all.
- Manngeld Trophy takes place on the first or second day of each season, despite saying it's to be played in February each time
- North American super cup issue
- Names for at least three clubs are slightly wrong/horribly wrong

I'm not sure whether I should plow on despite these problems or fix them all, test again, and restart. There are of course advantages to both - it's a choice between getting everything sorted and (hopefully) having things work better and run more smoothly. However, there has been a fair amount done so far, and I'm sure there'll be one or two complaints, especially due to the risk that teams who've been performing well could end up with far less to cheer.

So, I think I'll leave it up to the sign-up as a whole to decide. Give me your verdict and the sign up will either fix and restart, or continue as you were.

Damnit, 5th again for the Tigers of Seoul, and again, out of the cup early, grrrrr. Seem stuck in mediocrity. Though I am a little worried with Gandhi United coming up that we will be in tough next year, they look to be dangerous.

well to be honest the errors regarding Champions Cup and the North America Cup will have a significant effect on clubs due to points earned via winning those competitions will be lost, so i would put my vote towards fixing things and restarting.

Im ok with restarting and fixing database. It would be alot more entertaining, for me, to see a complete database with few errors work properly than have major errors like this. I would feel this way regardless of how well my team is doing.

Why not set up a poll in a new thread, so people can decide and you wont have to spend ages reading through each post marking down who's voted or not

I might do, but it seems kind of pointless for there to be a whole thread for it at the moment. So far, most people seem to be leaning towards fixing/restarting. There's not been any explicit support for carrying on yet.

My vote is purely selfish on the grounds that Ochaneffing Thistle have just been promoted to the Shell European Premier and knocked out two Premier teams on the way to the Nestle Cup final, so I vote to carry on.

Quite understand if the consensus is to rob me of my hard-won achievements though.

Wehey 4th again hmmm and you don't mess with gandhi Fc The big guy is watching them and cheering th on tbh I say restart it just makes sense really to have a full functioning database also dave you could just holiday for 2 seasons and do a quick catch up then we are back to where we are now

I'm not just saying this because of my teams could be renamed Gravity United (because it keeps falling, oh never mind), but I think restarting it and fixing it may be the best bet. Treat this as the beta, to iron out issues. I get the impression that's the way you would lean yourself (judging my what you've written) Dave anyway. Now, if you could just accidentally slip a teamful of wonder kids into my side that'd be lovely!

Of course, it's all up to you and, if I'm honest, I would be perfectly happy either way.

My team winning the African Premier League by 1 goal, wow! Some terrifyingly good youth talent coming through the ranks too. Shame it looks like it gonna be wiped but I don't mind if the majority wants to restart.

I am okay with either option, though with leaning towards a restart. I think with all the errors fixed, it would give better & more accurate results, and should be more interesting going forward than continuing to use what we know is a flawed database, which sort of taints the results a tad - not much though, only a little.

I don't really mind either way, cause even though my team isn't doing so well, I'm sure that if you restart it there will be a lot more work for you. However, given the choice, I would say restart if it's alright with you.

Despite achieving promotion in both seasons, I think a restart would be for the best. Like Taunton said, it could avoid future problems and I also think its only fair on those who are missing out due to the issues

My deepest apologies to those who wanted to carry on, but there's definitely more support for fixing the errors and restarting. I really hope I don't upset anyone doing this. When it all comes down to it, it's only a bit of fun anyway!

Originally Posted by 18Rabbit

As long as I get a good replacement for Marco on Viola Diavoli I'm fine with restarting. And not just because of this crap season.

Of course! He won't be called Piras (unlikely) and his positions/stats will not be the same, but I'll ensure both he and the Lithuanian wonderkid are of equal ability/potential to the first time round.

Originally Posted by gooner83

i think if you were to restart this then maybe have a hall of fame for those who had brief success/s as a token gesture for starting over.

Certainly - I would most likely link to this thread. From what I experienced during testing (albeit I can only remember two or three leagues) similar teams were competing at the top.

Originally Posted by cressers

Restart , but first post south america league.

Also will you not be posting the list of transfers

FC Pelé won again, from Los Golfos. Cholivar moved up one place to ninth.

I considered transfers, but there were way too many of them to post the lot. I could perhaps look at posting the top five in each continent for the second run-through of this sign up.

I've figured out my rather amateur mistake which caused problems with the Champions' Cup and Manngeld Trophy; although I set the competitions to both begin in 2012, dates for some of the matches were actually set to 2011. The North American Super Cup wasn't an issue at all; Mundial de Mazas actually won both the cup and the league, and I was looking at the wrong season's league runners up to play them in the Super Cup. And team names have been rectified.

I also decided a straight knockout wasn't particularly interesting for the World Club Cup, so am replacing the Fourth and Fifth rounds with two group stages (much like the old-style European Cup). Once finished, I'll run tests to confirm everything's fine, and we'll get started again. Hopefully there will be no issues this time.

I've figured out my rather amateur mistake which caused problems with the Champions' Cup and Manngeld Trophy; although I set the competitions to both begin in 2012, dates for some of the matches were actually set to 2011. The North American Super Cup wasn't an issue at all; Mundial de Mazas actually won both the cup and the league, and I was looking at the wrong season's league runners up to play them in the Super Cup. And team names have been rectified.

I also decided a straight knockout wasn't particularly interesting for the World Club Cup, so am replacing the Fourth and Fifth rounds with two group stages (much like the old-style European Cup). Once finished, I'll run tests to confirm everything's fine, and we'll get started again. Hopefully there will be no issues this time.

Sounds like a plan Dave. Well done on admitting your mistakes as well.

I think now though, with the restart, it will give us a chance to see the sliding doors side of FM. It will be interesting to see how slight changes can dramatically change teams' performances both in leagues, cups and squads they put together.

Yeah they're fine, it's all working and I was hoping to have started it again yesterday or the day before. However, I've got family over from the States and overestimated how much spare time I'd have! My apologies, but this will DEFINITELY be underway again by Monday.

Yeah they're fine, it's all working and I was hoping to have started it again yesterday or the day before. However, I've got family over from the States and overestimated how much spare time I'd have! My apologies, but this will DEFINITELY be underway again by Monday.