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Well, let s hear how everyone thought it went this year. Were there enough dance classes? Not enough? How were the ball sets? Too short? Too long? Obviously

Message 1 of 12
, Jun 27, 2001

Well, let's hear how everyone thought it went this year.

Were there enough dance classes? Not enough?

How were the ball sets? Too short? Too long?

Obviously the merchant area is not going to allow the ball to use the area
OUTSIDE the Grand Pavilion every year. How did the RUSH area feel? (Other
than the tent stake hazards)

katriana

Carol O'Connell of Graphic World

I thought the location had a much better feel than last year. Maybe because we were all closer together instead of so spread out? Or maybe because of HE

Message 2 of 12
, Jun 28, 2001

I thought the location had a much better feel than last year. Maybe because
we were all closer together instead of so spread out? Or maybe because of HE
Fernando's incinitrons? I think the light made a big difference to the
overall feel of the ball.

Was the ground better for the dancers than last year? Or worse because of the
tent stakes?

Conna

Katriana wrote:

> Well, let's hear how everyone thought it went this year.
>
> Were there enough dance classes? Not enough?
>
> How were the ball sets? Too short? Too long?
>
> Obviously the merchant area is not going to allow the ball to use the area
> OUTSIDE the Grand Pavilion every year. How did the RUSH area feel? (Other
> than the tent stake hazards)
>
> katriana
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Rowan of Three Rivers

The slight slope resulted in the dancers drifting towards the tent stakes no matter what we did, but for the most part everyone was aware of them and it was no

Message 3 of 12
, Jun 28, 2001

The slight slope resulted in the dancers drifting towards the tent stakes no matter what we did, but for the most part everyone was aware of them and it was no problem. The incenertrons DEFINATELY help in this. I would not have wanted to dance near tent stakes without them.

I think the ball FELT much nicer this year. Although I was suprised at how tired I was and didn't even make it through the whole ball. I think the dance sets were just about the right length, with the dances we dropped for safty reasons of slick grass and tent stakes. If we had included or replaced them I think it might have been too long.

I wish we had had more students at the classes (its hard to teach english country with just two of you), heck I wish I had made more classes. But I think the two to four classes of dance related stuff per day was about right. Conrad the dance reconstruction class was GREAT, do it again next year!

>I thought the location had a much better feel than last year. Maybe because
>we were all closer together instead of so spread out? Or maybe because of HE
>Fernando's incinitrons? I think the light made a big difference to the
>overall feel of the ball.
>
>Was the ground better for the dancers than last year? Or worse because of the
>tent stakes?
>
>Conna
>
>Katriana wrote:
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>> Well, let's hear how everyone thought it went this year.
>>
>> Were there enough dance classes? Not enough?
>>
>> How were the ball sets? Too short? Too long?
>>
>> Obviously the merchant area is not going to allow the ball to use the area
>> OUTSIDE the Grand Pavilion every year. How did the RUSH area feel? (Other
>> than the tent stake hazards)
>>
>> katriana
>>
>>
>>
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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I heard a rumor that the Lilies Committee was considering making some incinitrons for use at the war (so that everyone wouldn t have to keep borrowing

Message 4 of 12
, Jun 28, 2001

I heard a rumor that the Lilies Committee was considering making some incinitrons for use at the war (so that everyone wouldn't have to keep borrowing Fernando's set--apparently people borrowed them more nights than he got to use them himself). Anyone know if this is true?

I think it would be a great idea to have light like that at next year's ball.

Conna
who still needs to use a booklight to avoid dark shadows on the sheet music

PS for Katriana: Good News! Valdemar bought a booklight for Constantia's birthday. What a wonderful viking!

Christian Cepel (Bombadil)

Does anyone know of a plan-source for those? Perhaps every shire/barony/college/etc has a crafty person with the resources, and by getting the plans spread

Message 5 of 12
, Jun 28, 2001

Does anyone know of a plan-source for those? Perhaps every
shire/barony/college/etc has a crafty person with the resources, and by
getting the plans spread around, the things might become common enough
that each event has 2 or 3 good gentles who brought theirs along.

I wouldn't mind having a go.

On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Carol O'Connell of Graphic World wrote:

> I heard a rumor that the Lilies Committee was considering making some incinitrons for use at the war (so that everyone wouldn't have to keep borrowing Fernando's set--apparently people borrowed them more nights than he got to use them himself). Anyone know if this is true?
>
> I think it would be a great idea to have light like that at next year's ball.
>
> Conna
> who still needs to use a booklight to avoid dark shadows on the sheet music
>
> PS for Katriana: Good News! Valdemar bought a booklight for Constantia's birthday. What a wonderful viking!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Forwarded from Fernando: Start with a standard 20 pound propane tank (like for a BBQ grill). Next, you need a standard BBQ grill regulator. (You can buy these

Message 6 of 12
, Jun 28, 2001

Forwarded from Fernando:

Start with a standard 20 pound propane tank (like for a BBQ grill).

Next, you need a standard BBQ grill regulator. (You can buy these at a lot of
hardware stores that sell BBQ grills.) Cheap ones work, but go that extra
few bucks for the middle of the road model. The cheap ones hum annoyingly
more often and freeze up a lot more.

Note: I'm told that some more modern regulators have a shut back feature if
there is a lack of back pressure. If you end up with a regulator like this,
it is tough to get the flame up to full without a lot of work (feathering it
up a bit at a time.) Most of these regulators are for the newer male threaded
tanks (female regulator). Almost all the older ones use female tanks (male
regulator). If you can I'd target these.

Next, I use 1/2 inch black iron pipe for the poles. Start with one section
6' long for the main pole.

Safety Note: All your connections should be sealed with Teflon tape around
the threads before you connect the pipes.

On the top of this pole, I use a 1/2" to 3/4" adapter, followed by a 3" piece
of 3/4" pipe.

Drill holes in the 3/4" pipe for the gas to come out. I put 10 holes in 4
columns (3 -2- 3- 2). I think I used around 3/16" holes. If you want more
height, you could skip the holes and just leave the end open, but I like the
bushy flame effect of mine a lot more than the gas jet effect of some of the
others out there. Drill fewer smaller holes than you think you need, as you
can always drill a few more (or make them bigger) as needed once you have
finished trying it out. But if you screw up all you've lost is 3" of pipe. :)

Once this is together take an 8" stainless steel bowl (mine cost $1.47 at Big
Lots). Cut a hole in the bottom just big enough for the 3/4" pipe (but not
big enough for the 1/2" to 3/4" adapter and slide it over the pipe. Rather
than cut a hole, I used my dremel to cut a star like pattern the appropriate
size in the bottom of the bowl. Then I forced the pipe through, bending the
little "flanges" up around the pipe (this keeps it a bit more fixed.)

You don't "need" this bowl, but I find it a) looks better, and b) helps it
handle high winds better giving the gas a place to collect before being blown
away.

Finally cap the 3/4" pipe with an end cap. I drilled a single hole in mine
to add a bit of height to my flame.

Now the fittings.

To the bottom of the 6' pipe connect a 1/2" valve.

Below the valve goes another piece of 1/2" pipe. The length depends on if
you want the valve outside or inside the boxes. You must adjust this based
on the size of your boxes to put the valve where you want it. I made mine so
the valves are _just_ above the box. (the valves and everything above them
come off when I transport mine).

This short pipe is then connected to one of the arms of a 1/2" "T" fitting.

The base of the "T" is where the regulator connects. BUT, the regulator
connection wont fit the "T". You will need an adapter. Specifically a
"Flare - MIP" adapter. This is a brass fitting. Sadly I can't recall the
exact size, so you will need to take your regulator and your "T" in with you.
This, like almost everything else except the regulator, is found in the
plumbing supply dept. I _think_ it is a 3/8" to 1/2" adapter, but I don't
recall which is the flare and which is the MIP.

With this adapter you can connect the hose from your regulator to the 'T"

Below the "T" on the other arm goes about an 8" piece of 1/2" pipe.

Connect this to a 1/2" floor flange. Then seal the bottom. I have 3 ways to
seal the bottom.

A) Find someone who can weld iron pipe right (it uses different material than
typical SCA armor welding), and have them seal the bottom. - You _must_
check this under pressure. It is easy to have what looks like a perfect seal
that really pours out a _lot_ of propane. I speak from experience. Once you
think it is sealed, connect this to your tank, close the valve that leads to
the top and use soapy water to test for leaks. Or if you are brave just
stick a lighter near it and see if it lights. We did this, and even though
there were no visible holes and we could hear no hiss it still put out
several good sized 6+" flames.

B) Use a tap and die set to tap the inside of the bottom of the pipe (inside
the floor flange, then stick an internal pipe endcap in.

C) Forget the floor flange and just end the pipe with a typical end cap. This
is the easiest but the least favorable option because the pipe can no longer
be screwed down to the base of the box. You could also do this and have
someone weld the cap onto a metal bracket of some sort. This is a lot easier
than sealing the end for a lessexperienced welder.

Now take your hardware and mount it in a box. Don't leave the tank and stuff
exposed. Its more dangerous, and it looks stupid.

Make sure you incorporate some way to stake down the assembly to avoid it
being knocked over by accident. I use eyebolts in the corners of the boc and
run long stakes through them at angles. You could just drill diagonal holes
through the corners of the boc and use sjakes all the way through without the
eye bolts..

> Does anyone know of a plan-source for those? Perhaps every
> shire/barony/college/etc has a crafty person with the resources, and by
> getting the plans spread around, the things might become common enough
> that each event has 2 or 3 good gentles who brought theirs along.
>
> I wouldn't mind having a go.
>
> On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, Carol O'Connell of Graphic World wrote:
>
> > I heard a rumor that the Lilies Committee was considering making some incinitrons for use at the war (so that everyone wouldn't have to keep borrowing Fernando's set--apparently people borrowed them more nights than he got to use them himself). Anyone know if this is true?
> >
> > I think it would be a great idea to have light like that at next year's ball.
> >
> > Conna
> > who still needs to use a booklight to avoid dark shadows on the sheet music
> >
> > PS for Katriana: Good News! Valdemar bought a booklight for Constantia's birthday. What a wonderful viking!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
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Morgan Cain

As someone who just came and danced, I liked things. I think the site had its problems, but we adjusted (dancing korobushka around the tent, for example).

Message 7 of 12
, Jun 29, 2001

As someone who just came and danced, I liked things. I think the site had
its problems, but we adjusted (dancing korobushka around the tent, for
example). Nothing could be done about wetness, glad that a few dances were
skipped. Dancing under the tent might have helped with light by reflecting
(not to mention the grass being dried and ground flatter) but I think it
would have been dangerous to bring the incinetrons under the cover, yes?

I liked the dancecard, although I don't understand the notations for the
dances. Glad there were quick walkthroughs before dancing because I had not
gotten to classes (too busy!) and never remember which name goes with what
steps.

Otoshi's son is now a very enthusiastic dancer. I appreciated that others
in our sets helped him to get where he needed to be and he loved the
experience. At first Matt said "I'm too young to dance," and then I pointed
out Katriana's daughter and a couple other kids, and he was quite
enthusiastic.

----= Morgan (glad I made it this
year!)

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"The world is your playground. Why aren't you playing?"
---= Ellie Katz

Paul Byers

Do we know what we will be playing at Lilies yet? Pav

Message 8 of 12
, Feb 28, 2005

Do we know what we will be playing at Lilies yet?

Pav

Sauer, Michael F.

Sorry, not yet. I should have this in the next two weeks. Conrad ... From: Paul Byers [mailto:mightypav@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:28 AM To:

In order to make it as low-stress as possible, how about all musicians bring
last year's Crystal Ball and Lilies Ball music sets. I bet the dancers can
come up with enough good dances out of those sets to keep everyone happy,
and the musicians will have a bit of familiarity going in. (And I won't have
to make a bunch of photocopies by next weekend.) :)

Coronation next weekend will have a ball, and I m pretty psyched! In order to make it as low-stress as possible, how about all musicians bring last year s

Message 12 of 12
, Feb 28, 2005

Coronation next weekend will have a ball, and I'm pretty psyched!

In order to make it as low-stress as possible, how about all musicians bring
last year's Crystal Ball and Lilies Ball music sets. I bet the dancers can
come up with enough good dances out of those sets to keep everyone happy,
and the musicians will have a bit of familiarity going in. (And I won't have
to make a bunch of photocopies by next weekend.) :)