I have strong libertarian leanings but receive nothing from the government. I get no money for my autistic son. No money for my disabling medical condition including no medical help at all. I make half the median income for the state. The removal of responsibility for ones own life has been the biggest detriment to this countrys prosperity. We now live in a world where every time something unpleasant happens people feel it a right to blame others rather than accepting it and dealing with it themselves. They expect someone else to pay for it. Thats not a true libertarian trait, it is however the primary method of conservatives and liberals.

Revek:I have strong libertarian leanings but receive nothing from the government. I get no money for my autistic son. No money for my disabling medical condition including no medical help at all. I make half the median income for the state. The removal of responsibility for ones own life has been the biggest detriment to this countrys prosperity. We now live in a world where every time something unpleasant happens people feel it a right to blame others rather than accepting it and dealing with it themselves. They expect someone else to pay for it. Thats not a true libertarian trait, it is however the primary method of conservatives and liberals.

And what does that get you...?

Pocket Ninja:I like to speak in sweeping generalizations and imply that willful ignorance of ways by which I might benefit my family makes me a stronger person.

A Libertarian takes many forms: a lover in times of peace, a fighter in times of strife, a scholar in times of great change. This is the Era of Big Government, subby, washing over us all and revealing the highest pinnacle of humanity: that which remains when certain deductions are made: the modern Ur-Man who says, Whereas There is Government to Stand Upon, I am Above It!

Revek:I have strong libertarian leanings but receive nothing from the government.

Except the roads you drive on, the ability to power the computer you spout your stupidity from, the clean water you drink, the cleaner air you breathe, the safe food you eat and the safety in knowing your country is secure from the rest of the world.

Revek:I have strong libertarian leanings but receive nothing from the government. I get no money for my autistic son. No money for my disabling medical condition including no medical help at all. I make half the median income for the state. The removal of responsibility for ones own life has been the biggest detriment to this countrys prosperity. We now live in a world where every time something unpleasant happens people feel it a right to blame others rather than accepting it and dealing with it themselves. They expect someone else to pay for it. Thats not a true libertarian trait, it is however the primary method of conservatives and liberals.

So you are determined to live a shiatty life, if it means your conscience is clean?

I'm curious about the headline, since it neither reflected anything in the article, nor in my personal experience. The libertarians I know tend to be very self-sufficient, and see that as a manifestation of their values. But I don't know many libertarians, so is there something going on in the broader scope that I don't know?

Revek:I have strong libertarian leanings but receive nothing from the government.

That's impressive. You don't drive cars on roads, bridges, or overpasses? You don't eat food grow in the U.S., or shipped in from outside the country? You don't ever travel across publicly maintained land? Bought a car that is subject to safety regulations? Use a public utility such as power, water, telephone, or internet? You defend your own land with your own army? You don't watch television regulated by the FCC or look at a clock that has time set by NIST created standards? You don't use federally issued currency, or send or receive anything by the postal service? You've never called the police for anything? Needed to have friends or family helped by the fire department?

Truly, you receive nothing from the government. I salute you, citizen. You're a beacon to all of us.

Revek:I have strong libertarian leanings but receive nothing from the government. I get no money for my autistic son. No money for my disabling medical condition including no medical help at all. I make half the median income for the state. The removal of responsibility for ones own life has been the biggest detriment to this countrys prosperity. We now live in a world where every time something unpleasant happens people feel it a right to blame others rather than accepting it and dealing with it themselves. They expect someone else to pay for it. Thats not a true libertarian trait, it is however the primary method of conservatives and liberals.

Yeah! That'll show... wait...

I pay for health insurance. But if I get sick, I'm not relying on that communist, Ponzi scheme. I'll pay my hospital bill with the money earned from my bootstrap business.

star_topology:Revek: I have strong libertarian leanings but receive nothing from the government. I get no money for my autistic son. No money for my disabling medical condition including no medical help at all. I make half the median income for the state. The removal of responsibility for ones own life has been the biggest detriment to this countrys prosperity. We now live in a world where every time something unpleasant happens people feel it a right to blame others rather than accepting it and dealing with it themselves. They expect someone else to pay for it. Thats not a true libertarian trait, it is however the primary method of conservatives and liberals.

>And what does that get you...?

For starters, he self-imposes a perspective from where it will be impossible to understand either conservatives or liberals, neither of which want someone else to pay for their lives. Not true conservatives. Not true liberals. Some time after that, it gets him smacked down by the mighty PN.

Pocket Ninja: I like to speak in sweeping generalizations and imply that willful ignorance of ways by which I might benefit my family makes me a stronger person.

tentaculistic:I'm curious about the headline, since it neither reflected anything in the article, nor in my personal experience. The libertarians I know tend to be very self-sufficient, and see that as a manifestation of their values. But I don't know many libertarians, so is there something going on in the broader scope that I don't know?

Most libertarians I know are just kids who think the world is just the way it is, it requires to oversight or effort the roads just exist the oil in your furnace and gas in your car just appears the environment and food safety just kinda works itself out.

Revek:I have strong libertarian leanings but receive nothing from the government. I get no money for my autistic son. No money for my disabling medical condition including no medical help at all. I make half the median income for the state. The removal of responsibility for ones own life has been the biggest detriment to this countrys prosperity. We now live in a world where every time something unpleasant happens people feel it a right to blame others rather than accepting it and dealing with it themselves. They expect someone else to pay for it. Thats not a true libertarian trait, it is however the primary method of conservatives and liberals.

Yeah, um. You're not starving to death.

and you have a computer or phone and internet.

You're WAY better off than most people. And most of that isn't because of your singular heroic, Herculan effort, but because of the massive collaborative way that people who believe in this country work together. The Eastern states - which are more reliably blue - create most of the wealth in this nation, and you Looting red-staters can just STFU and GBTW.

Revek: I have strong libertarian leanings but receive nothing from the government.

Except the roads you drive on, the ability to power the computer you spout your stupidity from, the clean water you drink, the cleaner air you breathe, the safe food you eat and the safety in knowing your country is secure from the rest of the world.

....yep government does nothing for us.

All right, but apart from the sanitation, medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, the fresh water system and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us?