Yes. However, that's only thanks to the barrier of fiction that exists that keeps us distant from these characters. It is only through the lense of that barrier that these features become attractive. These same traits in reality are often quite disgusting and completely undesirable. This goes for just about any trait, any facet of a waifu that we like.

Traps >>> Trannies

Tsundere >>> bipolar bitches

Nagatoro >>> Abusive Bitches

Yandere >>> Serial killers

Yuri >>> Lesbians

This is why the whole 3DPD thing exists. With the lense of fantasy we can make any feature attractive, with reality we have to take the good with the bad.

What do you mean by "feminine penis"? What comes to my mind when you say that is the smooth, featureless, phimotic shota dicks a lot of traps get drawn with, and if that's what you mean then I have to disagree. The penis is part of what makes a trap a trap, and it should have substance to it. As a quick example, I would say that pic 1 tries to make the penis too cute and feminine to the point that it actually detracts from the image, while pic 2 is much more reasonable in terms of design, size, and detail.

Mind you, that's partly because I like it when the trap actually uses his dick, which is further than most people are willing to go. I think even most people who say traps aren't gay tend to draw the line at the josou_seme tag, no matter how feminine the trap or his dick might be.

I don't know about /a/, but I appreciate a good trap the same way I appreciate a good bodybuilder: both have missed the whole point of form, fit, and function in favour of aesthetic, but damn do they have good aesthetics.

Also it's only gay if you let the trap stick it in your pooper or suck them off. No homo. Loli tomboy on shota trap doujins when?

I don't usually care for traps, but recently some perverted sex ghost has come out of nowhere and put a perverted fetish in my brain. It involves a threesome between a man, his love (female), and the trap. The trap is basically the sex toy for the couple. They make him watch their lovey-dovey sex while he's restrained and frustrated, and when it's the trap's turn, the man fucks him aggressively while the girl teases the trap with caresses, smooches, and humiliating talk about how he'll never be loved like a real woman. The trap isn't a slave, he enjoys the love he gets even if it's humiliating, and their overall relationship is intimate. However it's important for the trap to be consistently reminded that he's on the bottom of the sexual pecking order, being forced into girly outfits and giving head to everyone else, and making his boypussy a semen receptacle. Never seen a doujin like it, but maybe one day.

The power dynamics is what makes it severely less gay. Take the domination out of it and you're kissing and touching and accepting him for who he is. Before you know it, you've got a case of full blown gay. Make him submit and take that hole.

While the 2D/3D barrier does make a big part of it, there's still the general concepts that they share. Those on /hebe/ and /loli/ both like the body shape of "underage" girls, the distinction being that one is real and the other is Lithuanian interpretive dance diagrams. For traps and /cuteboys/, it's boys/young men with feminine body characteristics. I mostly bring it up because of shared vernacular (ie boy/boipussy) that indicates a level of correlation.

If you're a male and are sexually aroused by a another male with a penis, it's homosexual. Even if it's a 2D male that's drawn as a girl. The idea is that, despite outward appearances, the individual is another male.

But no, I have Autism, so I've actually compartmentalized the part of my brain that contains 2d fetishes and the part of my brain that's self-aware enough to even consider that I might be wrong for even a second, so I'm just going to relentlessly browbeat you with my opinion, shitting up the whole thread, then taking you finally not replying to me as a sign of my complete victory.

Technically trap porn is the least gay porn there is. If you are watching straight porn, then you are watching a dude, so the video is 50% gay. 2 girls is preferable but that's gay in itself. So therefore trap porn is the least gay because with both of them being 50% guy and 50% girl that adds up to only 25% guy and is the least gay porn to watch.

Gayer than gay is fapping to masculinity, not femininity. That's like saying fapping to a masculine hulk with a vagina is straighter than straight because you are fapping to the masculination of women.

Males (should )value femininity in females and masculinity in males (if their brains are working properly).

When you look at a pretty girl you think "I'd like to tap that!"

When you look at a buff man you think "I have to hit the gym to improve myself".

When a girl looks at a pretty girl she think "that bitch is prettier than me!"

When a girl looks at a buff man she think "wow. That's a stud!"

You are searching for images of men in girl clothes. You are fapping to them. With (bad) animu the visual difference is barely there anyway, so it is SPECIFICALLY the male aspect of it that arouses you. Otherwise you'd be fapping to images of girls, but no, you search specifically for men.

If two "girls" are visually the same, but you hear one is a trap and that gets you hard? Then it's not a matter of cuteness or how much like a girl a trap looks - because as we established before, you can't tell them apart. It's specificially the lack of vagina, breasts and possesion of dick and balls that you find arousing. A layer of self-dellusion coupled with the perversion of removing the most important sexual feature from the female form and celebration of weak, girly "men".

That's 90% true in most cases. Most females are attracted to what a man does or what they can do for them. Males are usually attracted to some physical aspect of females. Just listen to men talking to other men compared to women talking to other women when it comes to who they are dating.

Dudes: "So is she cute?"

Bitches:"So what does he do?"

So it's obvious that the solution is put your seed in females to propagate the species, and have a trap girlfriend for love.

Traps are only gay if you prefer the trap over the girl version, like Shimakaze and Shimakaze-kun. Also if you do anything with the trap's dick and balls, that's really gay. Outside of that, it really isn't that gay, it's just liking the female figure that much.

No, it's the opposite. A drawing of a girl with a dick slapped on is still a drawing of a girl, that's the only reason why it's attractive. If it was "male aspect" or "dick" that was the source of the attraction, then trap lovers would just fap to bara instead, or literally pages full of disembodied dicks.

The more I consider it, the more I realize Kou is an S-grade alpha; an exceptional achievement for MC's in his genre. He married a fucking trap, and parades him out in public. When others fall for the trap, thinking "what a cute girl", he goes out of his way to tell them, "no this is a guy, you're fucking gay". He says this right in front of his trap wife because he does not give a single fuck. And what happens? Everyone blushes and thinks "I wish I was tapping that cute boy pussy". Kou turns everyone he meets fucking gay because he's such a model husband, and because he groomed some dude into being his perfect waifu. What a fucking chad.

The stuff is gay, people denying it on the basis of "but it's a draw-a-girl-call-it-a-boy!!" are deluding themselves because the manga keeps throwing at your face that he's male, he has a dick, he has a beard and everything else.

It's not like futa when it's often a fully fledged girl who grows a magical cock one day - no, we're talking about explicit stuff here, a man.

I have to be honest with myself, when I completely ignore hangups of what's gay and what isn't, and look purely at the acts without preconceptions, fellatio seems like it would be a lot more fun to give than cunnilingus. Plus prostate orgasms are very much not a porn myth and gave me whole new outlook on the hentai trope of a character not being able to hold back their moans.

And who can deny that there's a certain appeal to losing oneself in pleasuring their lover, giving in to cocklust, and having their pupils turn heart-shaped?

In hentai that emphasizes that kind of thing, I do find myself inserting as the girl or trap, as the case may be.

Is that gay, even though I'm not the least bit attracted to masculine characters? Yeah, probably. But how you label it isn't going to change anything.

Now, to everyone here: either admit that you're gay and stay here or stop being a fence-sitter pseudo-faggot and leave now, I'm tired of you "b-but, it's not gay IoI" types, of course it's gay, deal with it.

Traps are usually just drawn as slender women with or without a bulge. It's the same as drawing a loli with a figure, usually hips, making the drawing of a short woman. Both are cheating in the sense that you're drawing one thing and slapping a label over it. The major appeal for both is actually slender women and shortstack (extremely short women).

To spell it out as plainly as possible for the confused, you might like the appearance of a trap because they are basically drawn as slender women. You might like loli because of the mature features that get slapped on that otherwise do not appear for a girl at the supposed age. Thus you are thrust into a catch-22 where you are unsure if you could admit being attracted to a crossdressing male character or underrage girl.

If I had a magic button that would remove all of the art that is transitive, meaning the art that is called trap and loli but really isn't, the major appeal of trap and loli art would be extremely niche and most of the works associated with each genre would be gone. "True" trap and loli art in this case is extremely under-represented and thus unpopular. That makes the actual enthusiasts of either genre outnumbered in their own niche.

Loli and trap aren't exactly scientific terms, how far would I have to go before JUDGEMENT DESU NO breaks down my door and starts screaming at me to get on the ground?

I mean, we're talking cartoons here, not biology, I don't know if you could draw such a clear line, plus it doesn't help that a 'trap' character or a loli (compared to say a loli-baba) character has a different dynamic to a girl played straight. You might as well say an attraction to yandere is effectively identical to an attraction towards kuudere because in the end they're just drawings of girls.

No, fuck you. One is a loli (possibly gnome/elf shaped body depending on cultural context), the other is a fucking 3DPD short chick with fully developed breasts/hips. Those are NOT the same thing. A fucking dwarf is more appealing than a short stack. Eat shit and stop trying to slip short stacks into us loli lovers via stupid shit like "oppai loli" or "loli with hips" or whatever the fuck you're pushing right now.

It's not actually gay because depending on the lore the traps could be genuine females capable of pregnancy and childbirth that just happen to have a cloaca masked as an asshole and a pseudo penis/ scrotum

If it's intended to be a biological woman with a dick, people usually call it a futa out of convenience regardless of whether they have a vagina. A newhalf is a tranny, a biological male with tits and some female features, and if you take a look at the newhalf tag you'll find that when an artist wants to draw a newhalf, they will draw them distinctly different from a futa.

That character was never even that feminine. Why did fujoshits latch onto Sonic of all characters as the trap? He just looks like your average Jap that does their cardio. He even has fucking chest muscles if you look at his images.

The shoulder muscles, forearm muscles, and bulge quite clearly give away that Sonic's a man though in those images. Even his ass is too square/lacks the proper fat. He might eat too much soy but he's still clearly a he. You could say he's a Jap "pretty boy" by his face, but he's still a he. Only the second image manages to portray clearly feminine features, and that mostly has to do with the angle of the shot, much in the same way 3DPD traps can sometimes pull off a feminine shot in the right lighting/angles, but otherwise look like a fucking man.

Now you're just encouraging people fuck up the distinction even more. There's a reason why the majority futa is without testicles and the doujins that do show a pussy shot even if it's just one panel. Western artist miss this important detail and just think it's a politically correct way of saying shemale.