If you put salary and longevity aside and judge only on the numbers, I think among our position players, only Rios, Alexei and Gillaspie could start for any other teams. Beckham is a premium fielder; I hope he continues to hit when he returns.

Beckham would start for more teams than people admit, he's an above average defender who plays a position that doesn't exactly have premium offensive talent. His production is generally average for the AL at his position.

Beckham would start for more teams than people admit, he's an above average defender who plays a position that doesn't exactly have premium offensive talent. His production is generally average for the AL at his position.

Of course he would, and it is obvious when you look at the other 2nd baseman starting on MLB teams. Only a woe-is-us outlook or abject pessimism would prevent a Sox fan from seeing the obvious.

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Beckham would start for more teams than people admit, he's an above average defender who plays a position that doesn't exactly have premium offensive talent. His production is generally average for the AL at his position.

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Of course he would, and it is obvious when you look at the other 2nd baseman starting on MLB teams. Only a woe-is-us outlook or abject pessimism would prevent a Sox fan from seeing the obvious.

I wasn't ripping on Beckham; his injury keeps him from starting for anyone right now.

Pauline's longevity would earn him a starting spot on many teams, but his current performance doesn't warrant it.

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If John Danks comes back and pitches well this White Sox pitching staff can really become dominant. Dominant enough to get us into the playoffs. The problem still seems to be with the hitting. Hahn has to get us a couple more hitters. I don't know how he's going to do it. But unless we get a couple more hitters we'll be watching the 2013 playoffs on TV.

Beckham would start for more teams than people admit, he's an above average defender who plays a position that doesn't exactly have premium offensive talent. His production is generally average for the AL at his position.

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Of course he would, and it is obvious when you look at the other 2nd baseman starting on MLB teams. Only a woe-is-us outlook or abject pessimism would prevent a Sox fan from seeing the obvious.

I have a hard time seeing Beckham as anything but below average, even in this era of reduced offense as compared to years past.

Last season Beckham ranked just off the bottom of MLB 2B in most measures.

For those with 300+ PA, he ranked 26th of 39 in OPS. Tied for 30th of 39 in WAR (at .3, with Stephen Lambardozzi of the Nats and Brandon Inge).

Those stats don't mention defense at all, which is part of my equation, especially for a middle infielder.

I think he was addressing double's post about Beckham being "mostly average" offensively, which just isn't the case. The only thing Beckham leads the league in is apologists. I can live with Beckham, but he hits like ****.

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I'm not counting this homerun or his 3 RBI from today's game because of the game situation. I'm not counting his pinch hit solo homerun in a blowout win in Colorado. In my book, Crede has 2 less home runs than his statistics show, 4 less RBI, and one less walk (the one where he pinch hit for Uribe after coming in with a 3-0 count and taking one pitch).

Maybe he does come in a little under the average among full-time players since I suspect a lot of 2B end up getting platooned to hide their relative offensive weaknesses, but essentially you will get the average 2B over the course of 162 games out of Gordon Beckham. 2B is just not a premier offensive position. I, too, hope the Sox are soon able to move on from Beckham, but I think the laundry list of problems with this team precludes that. No sense in making another hole... for now.

Kid is some kind of pitcher, plus he had to overcome almost zero offense again . . . Hope he can stay healthy and productive and the Sox figure out a way to build a great team around him.

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That would be outstanding.

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If you put salary and longevity aside and judge only on the numbers, I think among our position players, only Rios, Alexei and Gillaspie could start for any other teams. Beckham is a premium fielder; I hope he continues to hit when he returns.

No, I think Beckham would. And Viciedo, too. And probably Konerko. I say probably because his prolonged slump may be just that -- a slump -- or it may indicate some decline. We just don't know yet.

The Sox need an upgrade in CF, C and DH, for sure. Maybe 1B, too. The Sox have some salary coming off the books after 2013 and maybe can address these problems. It would be really nice if Dunn could get hot for a while and the Sox could deal him. Don't know how likely that is.