Don please call me --Previous Message-- : : : --Previous Message-- : : Don not really! : The AF is only going back one generationL : don you love the white pointers BUT Thay are : not what they are. Do u know that Ferrell : Miller had big white setters in the early : 70's Crockett and Flamming Star crosses. And : yes they were reg by Ferrell 4 of them. Hum! : Don the AF told me they are not going back : but one gernation because it would open a : whole can of worms, and they did not want to : go there. And they do not cross reference. : Just take it for what is worth breed the : best dogs and maybe the worst the genes : will pick up from all generations. Just keep : them good genes that you like breed them it : will take many years maybe. And do a lot of : praying. : If you get a great dog you have been blessed : : Gary what i was trying to say was yes ive : about seen it all But now with DNA we : have a correct start if this tool is used : are dogs should Maybe Not become : better.Yes it will take several : generations.One ting about the White Dogs is : they were tested pretty early on so I feel : this was a great place to start. : Don Those were some darn good setters Ha : : : --Previous Message-- : DNA is a great thing for are dogs as I can : verify some of the breeding stunts .Even now : if you check back a couple generations you : might find red and silver brown and green : and little Blue and Gold.DNA is the best : tool we have for purebred dogs so swab em. : : : --Previous Message-- : Won't verify or contest the lineage : possibility of A Ramblin Rebel but will : certainly comment that MANY dogs from the : old days and not so old days WERE NOT out of : the dogs that were on the papers. If I had a : dollar for every time I heard, "He : doesn't have papers but we can fix that : pretty quick".... : : Many Derby prospects were purchased and : immediately re-registered out of the hot : stud dog or listed as sired by the winning : stud owned by the new buyer. That was : "good business". : : Many times, older dogs were kept alive and : producing on paper only as the owner or pro : trainer kept registering live offspring : after the old stud was sterile or passed on. : If you shipped a dog to be bred, you really : didn't know what was happening on the other : end of the transaction. : : Thank goodness for DNA. Don't believe the : long ago tracing of every part of the : pedigree of the dog you fancy! Pedigrees : are great but the performance of each : individual in the mating is paramount to me. : : That must have been a pretty good coon dog : to throw the nice rebel tail! : : : : : : :