Microsoft is beginning its press conference with some Xbox One gameplay from Konami… Metal Gear Solid! Seems it’s a very different setting this time, on horseback. Metal Gear Solid V (The Phantom Pain) on the Xbox One looks very pretty indeed. Hideo Kojima is on stage to awkwardly tell us that MGS5’s graphics are only capable with the Xbox One (but no, no word of it being an exclusive).

Don Mattrick is on stage to tell us that Xbox One will have 13 exclusive titles.

But first, the Xbox 360 is being refreshed! To look more like the Xbox One. Console gets better, as does Xbox Live Gold — from July 1 through until Xbox One’s release, you’ll get two free game downloads per month. Lots of new games coming to the Xbox 360 this year, too, including Grand Theft Auto 5. World of Tanks is also coming to the Xbox 360, free for Xbox Live Gold subscribers, which is apparently very exciting.

Now we’re finally talking about Xbox One games! Lots of exclusives. Starting with a new franchise: Ryse: Son of Rome, by Crytek. It looks very, very pretty. Kind of like a Total War game, but pretty.

Ryse looks like a hack-and-slash. A very pretty hack-and-slash, set during the Roman Empire’s heyday. The game is being played by someone on stage, with an Xbox One gamepad. How reassuring.

Cevat Yarli, from Crytek, is on stage telling us about Ryse. Apparently he’s been trying to make this game for years, but the technology hasn’t been good enough… until the Xbox One! Thus it’s an exclusive.

Another Xbox One exclusive: Killer Instinct. Another new franchise, exclusive to Xbox One: Sunset Overdrive, a stylized open-world shooter, made by Insomniac, that could only be made on the Xbox One. Seems like a crazy game. Apparently the world’s content can be changed every day, depending on what the community wants/makes.

Now Microsoft has brought a McLaren P1 on stage — there are only two of these cars in the world, apparently. This is to showcase Forza 5, which apparently isn’t about polygons or graphics — they’ve transcended (really, that’s what they said). Sounds like Forza will have some interesting AI, called drivertar (like avatar, but driver). Basically, your drivertar will learn how you drive, and then your drivertar (stored in the cloud) will go and race against other Forza players — and if your drivertar wins, you get points!

Phil Harrison is now on stage, to talk about developers, developers, developers — specifically, indie game development on the Xbox One. Minecraft is coming to Xbox One.

Now we’re looking at Quantum Break, another Xbox One exclusive. It’s a game that mashes up gameplay, and your choices affect how a (real?) TV show unfolds. The gameplay looks quite impressive, but I have no clue what on earth the game is actually about. D4, another game coming to Xbox One. Some cel-shaded game from Swery65.

Dave McCarthy is on stage to talk about Project Spark. He’s holding a Surface tablet in his hands, I think. Sounds like a god game very similar to Black & White, or Spore. He’s using SmartGlass on his tablet, to create a game world on the Xbox One. Pretty smooth. Within a minute, they’ve made a game world. Now they’ve adding objects that have behaviors. It’s a game editor, basically! Now they’re showing what a team of game designers can do with this basic concept — create a very rich world, seemingly.

Marc Whitten is now here, to tell us more about Xbox Live and SmartGlass. You can use SmartGlass to match-make a multiplayer game, while you play a single-player game. Very cool.

Now we’re seeing how easy it is to upload “epic moments” (automatically recorded clips) from games, using Xbox One’s Upload Studio.

Xbox Live: Now you can have as many friends as you want, and you’ll be able to pay for stuff with your local currency, rather than Xbox Points.

Capcom is on stage… to tell us that Xbox One is the only console capable of open-world zombie games. Dead Rising 3, exclusive to the Xbox One! I wonder if it’ll be as good as Left 4 Dead or DayZ; I doubt it. Looks like you have to battle a horde of zombies with nothing but a wrench. Apparently Xbox One allows them to make an open world, with no load times, but with a realistic, city-like density of buildings/objects/etc. This guy is using way too much ammo; has he never played a zombie survival game before?

Now they’re showing off SmartGlass, running on a Nokia Lumia 920 (Windows Phone 8). Very neat.

Witcher 3 is coming to Xbox One. The graphics don’t look all that good — but hey, non-linear gameplay, fully open world, SmartGlass integration, etc.

Battlefield 4 on the Xbox One: Massive combat, at 60 fps, on land, sea, and air. Looks cool; lots of detail, lots of physics. Probably the most visually impressive of the Xbox One demos so far. This demo is very long. Now we’re on a speedboat! Shooting things.

What Lies Below: A new game, based in a Rogue-like world. Looks very cool.

Microsoft is investing in five new studios, to develop content for Xbox One. First studio: Black Tusk, in Vancouver. Now we’re hearing about the Xbox One’s Halo title — again, running at 60 fps. No other information, other than it’s being released in 2014.

Finally: Xbox One is coming in November, to 21 markets. $500 in the US, 500 Euros in Europe, and £429 in the UK. Ending the event with one more exclusive game, from Respawn, founded by the creators of the Call of Duty franchise at Infinity Ward. The game looks like a mix between Mass Effect and Call of Duty, but mostly Call of Duty. Graphically it doesn’t look like a next-generation game. The game is called Titanfall.

What follows below was written before the E3 press conference, so take it with a pinch of salt. It will be removed/updated once the press conference has finished.

At 1:30pm EST today, Microsoft’s E3 Xbox One press conference will kick off. Whereas the initial unveil back in May focused almost entirely on the Xbox One’s ability to act as an HDMI passthrough box for cable TV, the E3 presentation is expected to focus on the Xbox One hardware and software, its games, and peripherals such as the new Kinect. Below you can find a live video feed of Microsoft’s E3 keynote. Once the event begins, this story will be updated with news from the Xbox One press conference. For now, read on to find out what Microsoft is expected to unveil at E3.

After a jawdroppingly depressing Xbox One unveiling in May, where games took a back seat to TV, Microsoft will spend much of its E3 keynote actually showing off real, rendered-on-the-Xbox-One gameplay. Forza 5, Call of Duty: Ghosts, FIFA 14, Gears of War, and some other sports games (Madden, NBA Live) are all likely to be shown off on stage in Los Angeles. We will also hear about the Xbox One’s exclusive titles; so far, all we know about is Crytek’s Ryse, but Microsoft will certainly have some more up its sleeve.

In true E3 fashion, we will also be subjected to some on-stage Kinect demos — probably featuring professional dancers/athletes alongside not-so-professional Microsoft execs. As we covered last month, the new Kinect is much higher-tech than the original, featuring a higher resolution, a wider field of view, the capability to track six skeletons at once, and the curious (if creepy) ability to work in the dark. We wouldn’t be surprised if Microsoft has a big-name Kinect-based game to reveal at E3.

Finally, we can expect lots of general information about the Xbox One, such as its software, its interface — and perhaps most importantly, some data about second-hand games and the console’s always-on internet requirement. Stay tuned; we’ll update this post when the Microsoft E3 event kicks off.

Sorry, ‘Exclusive’ titles are a FAIL for the gaming industry as a whole. Actually for the developer. That means ONLY the M$ customers will be able to play. Since so many people don’t have internet at home, regardless of their income or capability of being ability to purchase consoles and games; they won’t be able to play these titles, ever. The players are losing potential entertainment and the developers are losing potential revenue that could be made on other platforms… Never cared for exclusive titles… I don’t understand how they think that’s a good thing.

massau

it is only 1 connection a day. so even if you only have dsl than you can
still play on your xbox one. if you can pay for an xbox then you are
probably able to have internet.

but DRM is still very bad. i dream that there will be a day when there are free games in 3d just like flash games are free.

SirGCal

Nah, these are people with million dollar homes and hundreds of acres of land in the mountains or the hills; but also only dial-up or cellular internet at best. ‘One doesn’t support either. Again, it’s not the $, it’s availability and the extremely poor internet supply of the US. One of the worst countries actually with broadband internet, especially in rural areas. Not everyone likes living in the big cities. My work requires I have high-speed internet otherwise I would also live in the boonies myself.

Murph

Fuck yeah! Killer Instinct is back!

GatzLoc

HAHAHAAHA These looks like 2007 games I played when I was 13. I just look at screen caps, tbh they look lower res with blurrier textures and distorted lighting.

Well, here’s to another 7 years, and $420 down the drain for you tards. Me thinks you guys spend it cuz of the weed reference.

Microsoft could lose a billion a quarter on the XBox and still be massively profitable.

Jml

M$ stands to lose a lot more than that with Xbox One, Windows 8.1, and Metro.

raddude9

If Windows 8 doesn’t sell well, then microsoft will just keep selling new copies of Windows 7. They also make loads of cash selling Office, they’re a very profitable company, that’s not changing any time soon.

Jml

No I don’t think you’re right on that one.

raddude9

how so exactly?

Jml

M$ products are not selling and M$ had to bribe people not to show PS4 games just to make the Xbox One look better. M$ Windows 8 doesn’t sell and Windows Blue won’t sell because its more of the same. Few people even use office and the new version SUCK ASS!!!! Android and Linux is cleaning M$’s clock and game developers are not supporting M$ anymore.

raddude9

Projected profits of $6 billion next quarter says otherwise.

Jml

No they don’t make that much anymore not since M$ Windows 8 was an utter disaster.

raddude9

Sure, win8 was a disaster, but they are still selling loads of copies of Win7

Jml

That isn’t going to hold them for very long.

raddude9

The $68billion they have in the bank along with the continued billions in profit they make per quarter is enough to keep them going for a long time.

Jml

I won’t be so sure about that. They aren’t going to die a quick death like AMD might but M$ is finished for sure.

raddude9

microsoft deserve to die a lot more than AMD in my book. AMD only released a few sub-standard products, consumers were free to ignore those. Microsoft on the other have shaft their own customers on a regular basis.

Jml

And DIE M$ will. It will take time for M$ to die off. M$ is obsolete in the new world.

raddude9

Yep, that was my point, it will take time for them to die off, but you’re right to say that they’re headed the way of the dinosaur.

Jml

Yep that right and AMD is going to join them at this rate.

raddude9

AMD are much more consumer-friendly than microsoft.

Jml

No AMD is quite deceptive and they over-hype things like no tomorrow.

raddude9

What company doesn’t hype? not your precious intel that’s for sure

Jml

You’re Right Intel doesn’t overhype and Intel is so much faster than AMD ever will be!!!!!

raddude9

You missed the double negative. Intel does hype.

Jml

Looks like I did but Intel makes good on their promises for the most part something AMD never does.

raddude9

There it is again, you come up short on your understanding, and you try to cover it with trolling

Jml

No I am just trolling but I don’t like AMD because their products quite frankly suck. People don’t like Intel because they focus solely on power consumption because AMD is no longer competition for them they already beat AMD now they are focusing on ARM.

raddude9

If you think AMD’s products flat-out suck, it’s probably because you are lacking in understanding. In many benchmarks they match similarly priced intel systems, and in IGP benchmarks they beat similarly priced intel systems quite well. Just because they don’t tailor their chips for you specifically doesn’t mean that they suck generally.

Intel is not focusing on ARM in particular, they are focusing on the future of the market, and they see that things are getting more mobile, so they are putting their energies towards that. The thing I don’t like about them is that they are willing to hang their existing users out-to-dry essentially. A lot of people simply want more performance, and power consumption is a minor consideration, intel are shafting these people. Haswell’s power consumption improvements are great, but for me it’s a minor consideration, the performance improvement that Haswell gives is the main metric, and that was poor.

So, you see, they’re essentially doing with Haswell what microsoft are doing with Metro, shafting their existing loyal users in an attempt to chase the tablet and phone markets.

Jml

No In Many benchmarks Intel is the clear and decisive winner. However under 2 conditions that AMD either has a shot or wins and those are multi-threaded benchmarks and the second IGP benchmarks. But its a good thing Intel is doing this Otherwise ARM would in time run over AMD and INTEL for having chips that use too much power and won’t perform as well as the future ARM chip. To Avoid this Intel has solely gone for lower power usage and its starting to pay off. I am glad Intel is shafting desktop users because people like you are stuck in the past no offense intended. Expect Intel haswell ROCKS in mobile and keeps Intel’s IPC advantage where as Metro just scraps everything for tablets and phone and it doesn’t even do that right. AMD caters to you at the expense of the new market and thus AMD is going to face serious trouble in the very near future. Trouble that will most likely end with AMD’s downfall unless AMD can turn it around.

raddude9

IGP and multi-threaded benchmarks are actually very important categories, the vast majority of software that people run falls under those two categories.

ARM have already won over intel in the numbers game, 20 ARM chips are produced for one x86 chip these days.

Sure, intel should try to go after the high-end mobile market, but they have plenty of resources, how about giving their long-time loyal desktop users some love by giving us a desktop-focused chip line. Their strategy is definitely Metro-like, they’re willing to shaft their existing users in order to chase after a new market.

I don’t think I’m stuck in the past, I have a small laptop, a tablet and a smartphone. But I do all my real work (and proper gaming) on a big desktop with a big screen. Mini-desktops like the NUC just compromise too much on performance.

AMD also have products for the mobile market, but so far there has not been much call for mobile x86, why not let intel do the hard yards of breaking into that market, then if intel pulls it off, AMD can swoop in with lower-priced chips.

Jml

IGP you’re right on but Mutil-thread you’re wrong on most people use single or dual core apps on their PCs. Yeah you’re right and Intel already has gone after the high end mobile market and it creams AMD and ARM in that market. Intel haswell at 4.5 watt SDP creams AMD Temash right into the ground. How big is your screen? The PS4 looks like a good machine to buy especially if I can also run Linux on it. Not a bad idea but I don’t think AMD can afford to wait that long.

raddude9

Sure, people do use a lot of single threaded apps, but single-threaded apps generally don’t require a lot of computing power. It’s multi-threaded apps that as a user you’ll be waiting for and for these, more cores are more important.

Those 4.5W SDP chips actually have a TDP of 11.5 Watts, so they use almost 3x the power of the lowest power Temash. And, correct me if I’m wrong, but Temash is a true SOC, but Haswell will require an additional chip.

I have a 23inch screen at work and a 24inch at home, I’d like to upgrade my home screen to something bigger, maybe next year.

Jml

Really but Intel is still better for multi-thread and Single thread apps it just costs a bit more. Temash is like that too a 6 watt TDP temash is actually a 14 watt TDP that uses 22 watts for the whole system plugged in that’s UNACCEPTABLE!!! Intel haswell is faster even in low power tablet CPU’s. I have a 27″ LED monitor and yes I would like to upgrade as well.

raddude9

Jebus, you still don’t understand Temash!! I thought you said you were knowledgeable! You must be pure stupid because I’ve explained this before.

The A6-1450 is an 8W chip that runs at 1Ghz. It also has a 1.4Ghz turbo which uses a 14W TDP which only kicks in when it’s plugged in, so of course it’s going to draw more power when it’s plugged in. This version of Temash is meant for convertibles, other versions are specifically for tablets and they use less power, as low as under 4W TDP.

There are no versions of Haswell planned to reach as low as 8W, never mind 4W, 11.5W is as low as it’s going to go as far as I’ve seen.

Jml

Wrong the A6-1450 has a SDP of 8 watts and a TDP of 14 watts while the Intel chip has a TDP of 11.5 watts but has a SDP of 4 watts. Its lower than almost every AMD chip out there. Intel haswell 1.1 will reach under 10 watts no problem but by then hopefully AMD will have Temash 2.0 which will reach under 5 watts.

raddude9

What the F??? AMD don’t use SDP. Where did you get such wrong information can you provide me with proof of this mad notion. If you looked up Temash you would easily find the correct information:

Also AMD have Temash SKUs that have a 3.9W TDP, far lower than the lowest power Haswell, and half the power of next years Haswell 1.1 as well.

Jml

AMD uses turbo dock which is the same thing to me. At 3.9 watts it has the same performance as apple’s Ipad but uses a little more power.

raddude9

Huh, Turbo-Doc = SDP??? I’ve no idea what you’re talking about. The A6-1450 has two TDPs, it’s that simple.

The 3.9W is the real Tablet SKU.

Jml

Yeah I know its still uses a little too much power. But then again most ARM tablets ARM cortex a-15 also take too much power so I think they are about even on power usage. AMD needs to try harder in order to get into fanless tablets.

raddude9

The 3.9W chip should be fine for a fanless tablet, I agree that it’s a little bit high compared to other tablet chips, but it’s more capable than other fanless tablet chips.

Jml

I’ll bet that Intel’s new 22nm atoms give AMD’s Temash a run for its money. AMD will have the fastest tablet chip GPU wise but they will be tied with ARM Cortex a-15 for power consumption.

raddude9

I’d be surprised if the 22nm Atom got up to the higher performance levels, we’ll see.

ARM do know about their A15 power issues, but it’s still fine for tablets, their new A12 core addresses a lot of the A15 power issue.

Jml

Oh Intel will get to higher levels don’t worry. The A12 will arrive a little to late to matter in late 2014. ARM A15 is a power hog and ARM Cortex A-57 will also be a power hog.

raddude9

That’s the great thing about ARM, if you don’t like their cores you can re-design them to suit your own purposes as many have done, particularly Qualcom and Apple.

Jml

And Qualcomm and Apple do an AWESOME job at doing just that. In fact Qualcomm is the performance per watt leader this gen thought Intel might be able to take is back with their 22nm Atoms.

raddude9

Yup, they do, they have the resources to take ARM’s reference designs an optimize them. 22nm Atom should be interesting, it will be low-power for sure, but will intel let it cut loose and have high performance or will they be afraid of cannibalizing their core line and restrict it to slow speeds?

Jml

I don’t think Intel is doing much restricting. Quad core at about 2ghz at 2 watts SDP. Apple makes some of the best ARM SoC’s I’ve ever seen no one can match them.

raddude9

Lol, intel love restricting what you can do with their chips, and having SOC’s gives them more power. They were the ones that said that Atom’s were not allowed into laptops with a screen bigger than 10.1 inches, or that Atom laptops could not be sold with more than 1GB of Ram and the max amount of Ram was 2GB.

Intel push these restrictions onto OEM’s

So don’t start dreaming about a 5W (I multiply SDP by 2.5 to get to the true TDP value right?) 2Ghz quad-core Atom desktop, it will likely have a number of strict limitations that make it unusable as a general purpose machine.

Jml

Wrong multiply SDP by 1.5 not 2.5. Yeah Intel did restrict what you can do with their chips.

raddude9

Strange I thought it was 2.5.

Doesn’t their 4.5W SDP chip have a TDP of 11.5 W

11.5/4.5 = 2.555

You’re good at looking to the past aren’t you, expect more Atom-related restrictions, intel need to protect their profit-margins.

Jml

True but it varies for Intel chips so both of us are right. Right now AMD can’t even come close to Intel Atom’s low power consumption and unlike AMD temash it will be on low end mini-itx motherboards on the cheap. AMD will have no such product out. All thought AMD might put its Kabini on Mini-itx its 9 to 25 watt TDP can’t hold a CANDLE TO INTEL’s 2 watt SDP!!!!

raddude9

Sure, Temash/Kabini will use more power than Atom, but they will also be more powerful.

Just take off the 7W (Screen On – Screen Off) for the screen from the full-load 23W, and there you have it, a reasonably powerful system running at 16W at full load.

Jml

I just said that but thanks for the link but they can’t even compare to Intel’s 22nm Atom. Intel uses less than 5 watts compared to 20 watts with a mini-itx Kabini System. Intel’s 22nm Atom will crush AMD in CPU benchmarks and it give most AMD kabini systems a run for their money in the GPU department.

raddude9

More hyperbole, Kabini is likely to have at least 2x the GPU power of the new Atom, and CPU-wise intel said the new chip will be 50 to 100% faster, this means that it will still be well behind the 15W Kabini.

All told, this means that the Atom still won’t be able to give users a reasonable computing experience on the desktop, which leaves Kabini as the only sub 20W option. And it’s a bit early to be predicting how much power a whole mini-itx Atom system will use.

Jml

Wrong again. Intel will have 2x the CPU power because of quad cores and it will faster clock wise and IPC wise. And Intel will use sub-5 watt power usage which AMD can’t even come close to matching. Wrong Atom gives a very good user experience unlike what you think AMD FANBOI.

raddude9

You’re talking about Atom’s quad cores like they’re a good thing??? I’m confused aren’t you Mr. “IPC is King” and MR. “quad-cores are a waste of time”. So Atom can have 2x the performance because of quad cores, but AMD can’t??? What’s it to be? does having twice as many cores double your performance or don’t they?

AMD can’t match a sub 5W power usage??? You missed the 3.9W A4-1200 Temash then. You should at least familiarize yourself with AMD’s product lines before you make such sweeping and obviously incorrect statements.

With a projected half the GPU performance of Kabini, that’s going to rule out any kind of gaming on Atom, that’s not my kind of chip, and the CPU situation is very unclear, it’ll likely be less powerful than Kabini.

Jml

No AMD’s Quad core does bring a performance improvement I never said it didn’t. However Atom and Kabini are in two different leagues when it comes to TDP and power usage. I compare Kabini to Intel HAswell 15 watts because they have similar TDP’s. But Intel ATOM will have ARM as a competitor because AMD isn’t good enough to use under 10 watts of power. No AMD can’t match sub 5 watt power usage and AMD’s TDP of 3.9 watts means nothing because the whole system will easily use 10 watts if not a bit more. Yes it is less powerful than Kabini but it will be faster CPU wise but not GPU wise and as far as X86 chips go Intel Atom 22nm will be unmatched AMD can’t hold a candle to Intel in power consumption.

raddude9

I’m pretty sure you have said that quad cores are useless and IPC is king on a number of occasion, but now you’re changing your tune because of the forthcoming quad-core Atom.Typical fanboi behavior.

Your ranting about system power usage, as usual, is completely vague and lacking substance. Previously I showed you how a system with a 15W Kabini chip uses 16W at full load. If you look at the difference in TDP’s that indicates that a 4.9W system should be possible if it uses the 3.9W chip.

And If you can prove that one of the new Atoms will get down to that power level for the whole system, then please go ahead….

Also, any benchmarks to demonstrate that the new Atom will be faster than Kabini CPU-wise…. well???

Jml

But Temash won’t be in nettops so its a NO GO. No not really do like Intel because their PRODUCTS DON’T SUCK EGGS like AMD’s do. There is always something really wrong with said product when AMD releases a product. Intel haswell will use ~20 watts and AMD can’t compete with that. There aren’t any right now so I can’t do much about that.

raddude9

Can you prove that Temash won’t be in a nettop???? No? I didn’t think so. AMD don’t artificially restrict where their products end up, unlike Intel.

You’re right, there are no 22nm Atom benchmarks right now… so why do you talk as if you know exactly how they will perform? (Because you’re a rabid fanboi?) You don’t, remember intel said HD4600 would give 2x the graphics performance of HD4000, that turned out to be completely bogus didn’t it, in reality it’s only about 20% faster

Jml

AMD temash is a tablet chip that’s why AMD won’t put it in a nettop even though that actually would be a good idea. Wrong in most games which are dual threaded Intel still has the better chip and they use half the power to do as well. No but the HD 4600 is 50% faster than the HD 4000.

raddude9

AMD just make chips, it’s not up to them to put it in a nettop.

Wrong about the graphics too, most PC’s don’t have discreet GPU’s so in the majority of cases AMD’s CPUs are better for games.

So from your admission about HD4600 speed we can assume that intels benchmark leaks will all be 50% out, that doesn’t bode well for the new Atom then does it.

Jml

Maybe but I don’t think anyone who put Temash in a nettop. Wrong Intel wins NOT AMD in fact Intel is the biggest GPU maker from total sales. Maybe not but Intel 22nm Atom uses far less power than everything AMD has.

Intel may be the biggest GPU maker now, but it’s easily the worst as well.

I don’t disagree that the Atom will use less power, just as Kabini uses less power than Haswell. I just think it will be less powerful in both the CPU and IGP departments, I’ve seen no information to indicate otherwise.

Jml

Wrong set of APU’s I already know Kabini is going to be in nettops it was a given. Wrong Intel haswell at 15 watts will use less power than AMD’s Kabini.

raddude9

Sure, and if they can put Kabini in a nettop, how long before somebody puts the sub-4W Temash in a nettop?

Haswell at 15W sill use less power than Kabini??? Firstly which Kabini? If you mean the 25W Kabini they YES, if you mean the 9W Kabini then NO.

And the 15W Kabini will also use less power than the 15W Haswell, if you have evidence to the contrary, please share, because all indicators are that Kabini is much more efficient at full load.

Jml

Temash won’t be in nettops from the look of things. Intel haswell really did a Great job lowering power consumption across the board unlike AMD. Kabini uses more power than Intel haswell just face it already.

raddude9

LOL. Haswell clearly uses more power than Kabini. Kabini can get down to 3.9W TDP whereas the best Haswell can do is 11.5W TDP

Jml

Hey IDIOT wrong chips you’re talking about Temash not Kabini. And Intel can get down to 4.5 watts but at that point Kabini and Atom mostly be faster.

raddude9

Again, that 4.5W is SDP, which means an 11.5W TDP, which is higher than both Kabini and Temash chips.

Jml

Hmmm..But Intel is much faster and uses about the same amount of power.

So you accept the Haswell costs about $300+ now yea, does that finally change your tune about how good Kabini is?

It’s getting too easy too easy to slap down your weak trolling.

Jml

Kabini is cheap but Intel outperforms it and Intel haswell ULT uses 2/3rds the power under load. Kabini is mediocre but its cheap and certain people have a use for it but not me. It is much too slow for me but Intel isn’t.

raddude9

Prove that Haswell ULT uses less power under load. Otherwise that’s just more oof your fanboi BS.

So, you accept the position that Haswell is incredibly poor value being 6x more expensive than Kabini, finally.

Phobos

The thing is MS can afford to fail and come back to redeem themselves.

Jml

No that’s not going to happen Sorry. M$ will never admit they are wrong and thus they will never redeem themselves and thus they will die.

raddude9

They’re bringing the Start button back, if that isn’t admitting that they are wrong then I don’t know what is.

Jml

No you’re DEAD WRONG they did just the opposite. You mentioning that they did bring back the start button when instead they spit in the faces of their customers.

raddude9

How is bringing back the Start button Not an admission of how they were wrong.
Sure, it’s only a very small part of the overall problem, but it is a part.

Jml

They are not bringing back the start button take a look at the M$ videos. Once you click on that quasi start button it still takes you to Metro. The Requirement for M$ was to kill METRO permanently. Metro was to be erased FOR GOOD not this crap. Instead Metro is still here instead of dead where it belongs.

raddude9

Sure, the Metro crap is still there and the “new” Start button is just a crutch, but to me it’s an admission of failure, or at least as much of an admission that microsoft is capable of.

Metro is fine for tablets and phones in my book, it’s stupid on desktops and laptops though, microsoft are only pushing it as a way to Leverage Windows to get into the Tablet market, which is a lame reason to shaft their loyal users.

Jml

Metro sucks FOR EVERYTHING!!! Its not just a crutch M$ is spitting in the face of its once loyal users. Its too late now Windows Blue will be a far bigger disaster than Windows 8 ever could be.

raddude9

I don’t know about sucking for everything, it looked ok on a phone, but it has no place on a regular computer, that I agree with. Windows Blue I agree that it’s not shaping up as anything special, and it could well be a big failure.

Jml

Yep M$ Windows Blue will be M$’s biggest failure.

raddude9

We agree on something… strange

Jml

Yeah you’re telling me.

Phobos

Jesus, have the developers gone super lazy? Those games look like ps3 and 360 on steroids. WTF??

chojin999

Yep. PS2 on steroids maybe. These games look just plain awful. A real joke, a farce.

They look so outdated.

Latest PS3 games are way better.

And they want to sell these new games at $79 – $99 .. along with all the DRM protections crap.

Phobos

I’m not really sure but if I have to guess part of the blame would be to engines, sense a lot of games can use the same engine(like UE 3) they can look very similar.

Brian Johnson

Love the uniformed when it comes to the UFC… If you don’t know how big the UFC is (fan or not) you live under a rock and should not be reporting anything sports related!

dink_winkerson

Better sell your MS stock shares now. Looks they are going to tank in the first quarter next year.