Sensenbrenner: Those illegals have about 3 million children. We can't deport US citizens and it's impractical to deport the illegals here.

The senate bill throws up their hands and gives up. It's unfair to people who are in line to become legal immigrant.

Mexicans have to wait 16 years to become legal.

The senate bill jumps illegals ahead by 10 years.

Hagel: Our bill is 730 pages long. The house bill is 250 pages long. We do enforce the border. 500 miles of vehicle traps, etc. Our bill goes further than the house bill in some sections. No one questions enforcement. What Ronald Reagan did was amnesty. What Carter did with those who left the country rather than serve the country is amnesty.

On the front page of the NYT this morning there is an article that half the 5,000 firefighters in the west are immigrants. (But are they illegal immigrants?)

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posted on 05/28/2006 6:07:32 AM PDT
by Peach
(DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)

I sure wish you and anita, as well as so many others, would put together a Talking Points list that could be given to people who can't seem to remember the good things our side has done. Democrats seem to have mastered the sound-bite complaint and we need a sound-bite response to counter them more often.

As I have said many times yes I believe up to a point he really believes in what he says about the WOT but there is also the great element that it gave him the world stage he would not have had without it.

If it had not been that it would have been something else he craves recognition and attention he is the complete opposite of GWB in this regard.

###### Fox News' Kimberly Guilfoyle divorced San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom upset about his stunt on gay marriage, also resigned her deputy dist.attorneyship. Dated Bill Hemmer for some time(when he was on CNN), yesterday married a businessman and awaiting a baby.

###### A Reuters Employee Threatens a Conservative Blogger, Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs. Big Mistake. The Rathergate-buster had no problem in tracking down the culprit, who now is suspended from Reuterville.

###### Six people pleaded guilty in Newsday circulation scandal, inflated its circulation by nearly 100,000 copies. Will face upto 20 years in prison and pay $90 million for inflated circulation figures.

We figure that's why Vincente Fox was here this past week. He's leaving office and probably looking for work in the US someplace.

And yes, Blair will follow in the footsteps of all the others who get on the lecture circuit here. It pays well and they get to remain on an international stage instead of going back to what they were doing before taking office.

Hagel: Of course you fix the border first. 1986 was amnesty. This isn't amnesty. We have an opportunity to restructure and do it right.

Russert: When the president addressed the nation, you said he doesn't get it.

Sensennbrenner: This failed miserably 20 years ago and this is a repeat of 20 years ago. Former AG Meese wrote an op ed piece Wednesday that at least President Reagan was honest and called it amnesty. What the Senate is doing invites document fraud. Meese said there was huge document fraud and the same construct is in the senate bill.

Provision in Senate bill that officials can't investigatgte beyond the piece of paper the illegal relies on and government employee is subject to criminal investigation if the try to look foruther into the document.

Also talks about the SS raid on the fund and rewarding the illegal immigrant and rewarding them for the time they were here illegally and dipping into the SS fund.

Russert: Don't illegals contribute over $400B into the SS fund.

Sensenbreenner: The illegals can't get numbers on their own. The entire transaction was fraud and the senate bill retroactively awards that fraud.

Hagel: The senate bill puts into place a biometric identification card and every illegal must have one and they can't get a job without it. IT's tamper proof and fraud resistent. We're at full employment today. We have more jobs today than ever in the history of the country. Our bill deals with these temporary worker visas - low and high skill.

Europe and France specifically did some things wrong and perpetuated a lower class. That's a problem the Europeans have today. You can't perpetuate that lower class.

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posted on 05/28/2006 6:13:46 AM PDT
by Peach
(DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)

Twelve years after the Contract with America brought Republicans into the Majority in the House of Representatives, we are witnessing a power struggle within our huge (unrecognized by MSM) party. This is actually a sign of health and strength, although painful to experience. As Rush said so eloquently on Friday, the country club Republicans have never liked the Christian conservative Republicans. In the past our coalition was necessary because we were the minority, working to unseat the Dem majority. Now that we are the uncontested majority, the struggle for power is going on inside the party.

I have saved my (fundraising) letter from Christie Whitman "It's My Party , Too" to remind me of this division. McCain was part of her group.

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posted on 05/28/2006 6:15:31 AM PDT
by maica
(Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle --Abraham Lincoln)

Frist sounds so foolish right now. He is trying to focus on a bunch of other issues to deflect the outrage over the immigration thing. At this point, the Senate could pass a bill exempting KerryUsama04 from Federal taxation for life and I would still be ticked of at them. I am sure this holds true for many FReepers.

Do these people that behave that way sound like Pat Buchanan wannabes? Of course, they pick and choose what they want to post, and like the media themselves they go for anything negative even if is only partially correct. I am sick and tired of that logic also. How about the media talking about Kenny Boy's friendship with GWB, but do not notice that he was a visitor and guest in the Clinton White House 11 times. He also gave $420,000 to the Democrats over 3 years. Those are the tip of the iceberg,yet listen to the Bush haters and the Old Media MSM/DNC hacks spew their trash at GWB.

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posted on 05/28/2006 6:17:12 AM PDT
by samantha
(cheer up, the adults are in charge! Soldier in Bucket Brigade Reporting for Duty.)

Russert: What are political consequences if a Republican Congress and president don't fix this?

Hagel: There are political consequences for everything. We deferred this problem and the House wants to continue to defer it. Politics is about accountability and courage. This is a significant test.

Russert: Will house republicans accept any path to citizenship?

Sensenbrenner : That's a buzz word for amnesty. To respond to Hagel, I wasin Congress when the '86 bill was passed and I voted against it. Congress made a mistake. Those who supported it including former Senate Simpson who said the bill gave us the problem we're in.

I want to solve the problem and so do the American people but we have to do it right. Do things in the proper order. Secure the border and secure the employer sanctions law. No bill we pass unless done right will rectify the market situation that exists (paying illegals less money than citizens).

Zogby released a poll - do you prefer the Senate or House approach. 64% preferred the House approach.

Russert: Will you accept any legislation which puts illegals on path to citizenship.

Sensenbrenner: No. Talk of amnesty is increasing crossing the border as we speak.

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posted on 05/28/2006 6:17:35 AM PDT
by Peach
(DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)

Russert: 24% of farming is illegal. 14% of construction. 12% of food industry. They are all illegals. What will happen to those industries if those illegals are sent home?

Sensenbrenner: I'm not saying send those home. Turn the illegal workforce into legal workforce. Because this problem has festered for so long, that can't be done with the wave of a wand or signing of bill.

Unless we do employer sanction, we'll get more illegals.

(not answering the question)

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posted on 05/28/2006 6:18:54 AM PDT
by Peach
(DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)

BTW, Tancredo addressed the children of illegal aliens. He said children DO have US citizenship under current law but kids would go with parents if they are deported. Once 18, children could claim citizenship since they would no longer be minors.

Not sure if I like that or how it would work, but it has been discussed to some degree.

That he is and he's doing a good job of it with Timmy too. Timmy cites the percentages of illegals in various industries and asks what will happen to those industries if you send them home. Sensenbrenner points out that no one is suggesting we send them home.

Last night A&E showed "Lima Company" again. One Marine described his feelings after seeing part of his company getting blown up by an IED, "I wanted to use my rifle. I wanted to shoot anyone I saw." He then went on to describe what he actually did do after that attack. In this media age our Marines have to be the most disciplined fighters in the history of warfare.

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posted on 05/28/2006 6:20:15 AM PDT
by maica
(Things may come to those who wait, but only the things left by those who hustle --Abraham Lincoln)

At least Frist recognized and admitted that the AG and FBI were right in what they did, and that Bush urging calm by putting a 45 day hold on the issue worked to calm down the idiots (Frist included, although he didn't really admit that). As far as immigration, I sensed that Frist is really feeling the heat about the Senate bill...he also admitted he doesn't support all of it. Therefore, he must be one of those Senators that Sessions was talking about when he (Sessions) said: "republican senators are telling me it is OK, the house will rescue us"!

Hagel: I'm amused at Jim and others who say it's amnesty. We'll let the conference figure this out. I've spoken to Jim's colleagues. Most Republicans on the House side, including leadership, want to try and find a resolution to this. This is the best opportunity.

Russert: Would you support legislation that doesn't provide a path to citizenship?

Hagel: We can amend it, but deferring problem if we don't do this. We are now dealing with all the pieces in the Senate bill. Doesn't mean it's perfect.

Sensenbrenner: I hope there's a bill. But it's important to do it right. We did it wrong 20 years ago. None of us want our name on a bill that blows up and makes it worse 20 years from now.

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posted on 05/28/2006 6:21:51 AM PDT
by Peach
(DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)

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