Sponsoring:

From: Lynn Dixon
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I have missed out on some of the emails. I was just wondering what happened
to the hackerspace idea that was being tossed around for a while. I would
love to contribute if its still active.

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From: Rod-Lists
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Can we just pick one?
which is "the" group.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cameron Kilgore"
To: "CHUGALUG"
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:48:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Chugalug] What happened to the hackerspace idea?
You're already on RM so that's half the battle, here's the other half: http://groups.google.com/group/chatthack
I have missed out on some of the emails. I was just wondering what happened to the hackerspace idea that was being tossed around for a while. I would love to contribute if its still active.

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From: Lynn Dixon
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Thanks Cameron. I seen the link to RM just after sending the email to the
list. I have signed up for the google group as well. I am excited to see
this coming about! Especially since EPB has gigabit connectivity in
Chattanooga :)

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From: Dave Brockman
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Again, I encourage everyone to attempt to utilize a full GigE link :)
Other than a couple of specific places, and then some of those are only
at certain times can I manage to keep my paltry 25Mb saturated :)
Regards,
dtb

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From: Lisa Ridley
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(Drooling about 1GB connectivity)
yeah, well, we're not all in Chattanooga. Some of us, out in the =
"boondocks" have to settle for 6Mb up/1Mb (usually 384K) down =
connectivity through AT&T as the only reliable broadband.
Sucks to be us.
Hell, some people over here still have rotary dial phones.
to
excited
connectivity
only

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From: Cameron Kilgore
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And some of us pay out the ass just for 3Mbit down.
Trenton, GA is a gorram pox on anyone who wants to be successful in life.

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From: Ben Romines
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Well if you look up the *Appalachian Valley Fiber Network* (AVFN)

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From: Cameron Kilgore
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Oh great cheezit in the sky tell me Trenton and Rising Fawn are on that list
This is way better than me rolling proposals to the USDA to set up LTE
-Cameron
Sent via an Android phone
Well if you look up the *Appalachian Valley Fiber Network* (AVFN)

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From: Ben Romines
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It shows the proposed new fiber coming out of Chattanooga going to Trenton!

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From: Cameron Kilgore
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So, is this backbone for extending DSL/Wimax/LTE or will this lead to the
last mile?
-Cameron
Sent via an Android phone
It shows the proposed new fiber coming out of Chattanooga going to Trenton!
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Cameron Kilgore
wrote:

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From: Ben Romines
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The Appalachian Valley Fiber Network (AVFN) is a public-private
partnership designed to bring a middle-mile
fiber network to 12 counties across the lower Appalachian Valley in
northwestern Georgia and eastern Alabama.
Most of the community anchor institutions located in the area report
either inadequate access to broadband or a
lack of affordable, high-capacity service from existing providers.
The project proposes constructing 182 new
miles of fiber and leasing 287 miles of dark fiber to complement
existing resources held by the two service
providers who have collaborated to form AVFN.
Appalachian Valley Fiber Network also proposes to:
=A0Connect as many as 185 community anchor institutions with speeds of
up to 1 Gbps, including 16 K-12
public schools, 46 public safety facilities, 40 medical facilities,
and 48 other government facilities. =A0The
network will also connect the Georgia Northwestern Technical Colleges
(which now encompass the former
Coosa Valley Technical College and Northwestern Technical College
campuses) as well as Chattahoochee
Technical College.
=A0Facilitate more affordable and accessible broadband service for
approximately 144,000 households and
8,300 businesses by enabling local Internet service providers to
utilize the project=92s open network.
=A0Interconnect with as many as five regional last-mile providers who
have committed to using the new
network to bring affordable high-speed service to rural and
underserved households and businesses in the
region
=A0=A0 =A0 =A0 The above was taken from
http://www2.ntia.doc.gov/files/grantees/appalachian

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From: Cameron Kilgore
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Please tell me there's a website, mailing list, twitter, etc for this
-Cameron
Sent via an Android phone
The Appalachian Valley Fiber Network (AVFN) is a public-private
partnership designed to bring a middle-mile
fiber network to 12 counties across the lower Appalachian Valley in
northwestern Georgia and eastern Alabama.
Most of the community anchor institutions located in the area report
either inadequate access to broadband or a
lack of affordable, high-capacity service from existing providers.
The project proposes constructing 182 new
miles of fiber and leasing 287 miles of dark fiber to complement
existing resources held by the two service
providers who have collaborated to form AVFN.
Appalachian Valley Fiber Network also proposes to:
Connect as many as 185 community anchor institutions with speeds of
up to 1 Gbps, including 16 K-12
public schools, 46 public safety facilities, 40 medical facilities,
and 48 other government facilities. The
network will also connect the Georgia Northwestern Technical Colleges
(which now encompass the former
Coosa Valley Technical College and Northwestern Technical College
campuses) as well as Chattahoochee
Technical College.
Facilitate more affordable and accessible broadband service for
approximately 144,000 households and
8,300 businesses by enabling local Internet service providers to
utilize the project=92s open network.
Interconnect with as many as five regional last-mile providers who
have committed to using the new
network to bring affordable high-speed service to rural and
underserved households and businesses in the
region
The above was taken from
http://www2.ntia.doc.gov/files/grantees/appalachian

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From: Ben Romines
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Not that i have found, i saw it in the paper sometime last week and
have been doing research on the whole thing ever since because i would
love to have faster than a 12Mb down connection from someone besides
freaking Comcast.. So as i find things out ill let you know and if you
find anything out indeed enlighten me!
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Cameron Kilgore w=
rote:

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From: Dave Brockman
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I feel your pain, especially if ATT, and worse, ATT DSL is your only
choice of "reliable" anything. Why anyone still keeps a landline these
days is beyond me, but yes, I am also one of those people who would use
a rotary phone, to save the MRC for TD if I could. It's how much now?
I made sure my grandmother never paid for it a day of her life. :)
Regards,
dtb

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From: Cameron Kilgore
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They are handing out grants for rural internet development. Not many grants,
but it was worth a shot.
-Cameron
Sent via an Android phone
Any particular reason you're sending those to the USDA?
Regards,
dtb

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From: Cameron Kilgore
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Are you old enough to use ed?

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From: Dave Brockman
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Since I had to learn it at NCR as part of my job, yes.
I would consider the era of hand sanitizers and broadband to be the last
5 to maybe 10 years. Granted, I didn't buy hand sanitizer more than 5
years ago because that's when children were introduced into my life :)
Regards,
dtb

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From: Rod-Lists
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As late as the early 90's there were rural phone exchanges around here where you needed to know how to dial a modem by pulse.
Oh yeah I forget I have t-shirts older than you. Chattacon 13 anyone?
Besides you never know what you face in the third world. Ask Mike.
Besides we are counting on you to help rebuild FIDO net when they pass that internet kill bill.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cameron Kilgore"
To: "CHUGALUG"
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 9:32:47 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Re: What happened to the hackerspace idea?
Nope. I grew up in an era of hand sanitizers and broadband.
What's a matter Cameron?
Never connect a modem to a dumb terminal ?
AT = attention,waking u the modem
D= Dial
P= Pulse t for tone
The # is the phone number you wish to dial.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cameron Kilgore" < ghostfreeman@gmail.com >
To: "CHUGALUG" < chugalug@chugalug.org >
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 8:54:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Re: What happened to the hackerspace idea?
What
ATDP 592--5667
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lisa Ridley" < lhridley@gmail.com >
Hell, some people over here still have rotary dial phones.

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From: Cameron Kilgore
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I know about Telex, and that's all the pre-oldternet stuff I know about.

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From: Cameron Kilgore
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Next time I'll use a more accurate benchmark to describe the 90s: The
Smashing Pumpkins and soccer moms.

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From: Rod-Lists
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I've used telex. Not bad. You can still get a taste of that in packet radio.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packet

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From: Cameron Kilgore
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I've always wanted to fiddle with RTTY, and i've used that as an excuse to
get into ham radio...but I can never motivate myself to do it. If anyone
wants to show me their setup...

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From: Cameron Kilgore
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One at a time guys...first the hackspace and then FIDO net.

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From: "Alex Smith (K4RNT)"
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My dad used ArpaNet while in the Army in the 70s...
He's ex-Signal Corps.
I missed the FidoNet thing, but I did mess around with BBSes back in
the 90s on a PC with a 2400bps, then 14.4k, then 28.8k dialup modems.
:)
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:18, Cameron Kilgore wro=
te:
te:

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From: Gary Hasty
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Sheesh, ya'll are so young...
Ok, I'll play...my first modem was a 300bd on my Tandy CoCo...had to =20
manually switch it to originate or receive a call

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From: Aaron welch
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First computer ever was a Tandy TL1000 with a 1200 baud modem and a 20MB HD
that fit on its own card in an 8-bit ISA slot.
-AW
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Gary Hasty wrote=
:

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From: Ed King
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wow, that's exactly what I had for a first computer. tl/2 1000 with 20mb =
=0A"hardcard". I thought I was totally bad-ass when I bought the optional=
memory =0Akit to expand from, iirc, 640k to 780k. I spent a LOT of hours=
logged into UTC =0Agandalf, IBM CMS, Music, but mostly the HP3000 library =
and administrative =0Acomputing systems, via Kermit.=0A=0AI foolishly sold =
my original tl/2 in 1998, but then I found one at a yard sale a =0Afew year=
s later for only $5 for cpu, monitor, and lots of accessories. I just =0A=
about pissed on myself with joy...=0A=0A=0A=0A

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From: Dee Holtsclaw
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300 baud acoustic coupler on a TRS-80 Model I. Made the lower-case mod & ad=
ded=20
a Lobo LX-80 interface for a whopping 48K of DRAM. Still have it in the=20
attic.

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From: Cynical Geek
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I set one of these up at the house a couple years ago and tinkered with it.
It was a pretty interesting exercise.
http://www.synchro.net/
In November of 1999, the author found a renewed
interest in further developing *Synchronet*, specifically for the Internet
community, embracing and integrating standard Internet protocols such as
Telnet, FTP, SMTP, POP3, IRC, NNTP, and HTTP. *Synchronet* has since been
substantially redesigned as an Internet-only BBS package for Win32 and
Unix-x86 platforms and is an Open
Source project under continuous
development.

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From: Rod-Lists
------------------------------------------------------
Thanx I'll look into that. I been looking into the old 1bbs script.
Linux/unix basically has most of BBS functions built in.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cynical Geek"
To: "CHUGALUG"
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 11:01:16 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Re: What happened to the hackerspace idea?
I set one of these up at the house a couple years ago and tinkered with it. It was a pretty interesting exercise.
http://www.synchro.net/
In November of 1999, the author found a renewed interest in further developing Synchronet , specifically for the Internet community, embracing and integrating standard Internet protocols such as Telnet, FTP, SMTP, POP3, IRC, NNTP, and HTTP. Synchronet has since been substantially redesigned as an Internet-only BBS package for Win32 and Unix-x86 platforms and is an Open Source project under continuous development.
I've used telex. Not bad. You can still get a taste of that in packet radio.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Packet

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From: Dave Brockman
------------------------------------------------------
RG is also Open Source now as well... although I don't recall much work
in the moving it to the Internet platform. Still, lots of interesting
code in there....
Regards,
dtb

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From: Dave Brockman
------------------------------------------------------
I will note it was a *little* before my time, but mo-dem(s) fascinated
me back in the day... probably why passing packets is such a fascination
these days.... I know there were several on this list that could tell
their dial-up connection speed based on the tones during the handshake,
but did anyone else practice whistling them? :)
Regards,
dtb

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From: Cameron Kilgore
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I did not have a penchant to bridge the gap between interwebspace and
meatspace with my vocal cords

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From: Dan Lyke
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On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 12:46:47 -0500
Dave Brockman wrote:
TI Silent 700 terminal. Keyboard + thermal printer + acoustic coupler.
Used it to connect to BBSs at 300 baud back in the day. If you held on
to the paper long enough it'd fade and you could re-use it.
If you left the machine on when vacuuming, it'd connect to the vacuum
at 1200 baud. Half-duplex, of course.
Dan

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From: Gary Hasty
------------------------------------------------------
Back in my BBSn days (The Comfy Chair was mine) had one blind user
that had an amazing ear...anytime we had issue with Alltel he would
call me up and give me some pretty exact troubleshooting...
whistling...no...what am I a geek?

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From: Dee Holtsclaw
------------------------------------------------------
Yes, I did that. Sad to say but I could occasionally generate some bizarre
characters before the modem gave up from too many framing errors. Never tried
with the vaccum cleaner though.

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From: Rod-Lists
------------------------------------------------------
Supposedly phone phreaks could initiate long distance calls via slide whistle.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cameron Kilgore"
To: "CHUGALUG"
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 12:56:30 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Re: What happened to the hackerspace idea?
I did not have a penchant to bridge the gap between interwebspace and meatspace with my vocal cords
I will note it was a *little* before my time, but mo-dem(s) fascinated
me back in the day... probably why passing packets is such a fascination
these days.... I know there were several on this list that could tell
their dial-up connection speed based on the tones during the handshake,
but did anyone else practice whistling them? :)
Regards,
dtb

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From: "dmscholten@gmail.com"
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Get the hackspace up and going so there will be a spot to meet to rebuild F=
IDO. ;)
------Original Message------
From: Cameron Kilgore
To: "CHUGALUG"
Date: Wed, Jan 26, 10:18 AM -0500
Subject: Re: [Chugalug] Re: What happened to the hackerspace idea?
One at a time guys...first the hackspace and then FIDO net.
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Ed King wrote=
:

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From: flushy
------------------------------------------------------
On 01/26/11 10:27, Gary Hasty wrote:
I got my first 300baud modem when I signed up for Q-Link for use on the
Commodore 64.

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From: Dave Brockman
------------------------------------------------------
I will *not* go boot up the OS/2 box...
I will *not* go boot up the OS/2 box...
I will *not* go boot up the OS/2 box...
I will *not* go boot up the OS/2 box...
tonight, it's late. But damn you, I will before the weekend is over...
:)
Regards,
dtb

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From: Kenneth Ratliff
------------------------------------------------------
that internet kill bill.
Crap, I guess I need to see if I can find my old Intermail and FastEcho =
registrations!

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From: Kenneth Ratliff
------------------------------------------------------
Lord do I miss the BBS days sometimes.
I used to find it amusing how folks thought I was weird and anti-social =
because I spent all my free time communicating electronically to alot of =
people I'd never met, and never would.=20
Now that such types of communication have become ubiquitous, it just =
makes me sad. I want my hobby back.

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From: Kenneth Ratliff
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with it. It was a pretty interesting exercise.
developing Synchronet, specifically for the Internet community, =
embracing and integrating standard Internet protocols such as Telnet, =
FTP, SMTP, POP3, IRC, NNTP, and HTTP. Synchronet has since been =
substantially redesigned as an Internet-only BBS package for Win32 and =
Unix-x86 platforms and is an Open Source project under continuous =
development.
Synchro seems to be the only thing that actually survived. Wildcat =
started internet integration early, with allowing some of it's functions =
to be used over the web directly. A number of other hacks were put in =
place it allow IP's and Port combinations to mimic Serial port =
connections. There were also a number of creative ways to make FIDO =
technology cheaper by using email as a way to transmit your payloads =
instead of dial-up.=20
Alot of other BBS projects made attempts to transition to the internet =
age, but never really got off the ground. Rewriting BBS software to =
function as php based crap was ultimately a futile effort, as things =
like Wordpress, phpBB, Joomla, Drupal, et al can mimic the functions of =
a BBS and have alot more traction.
And hell, Facebook is like the worlds biggest BBS replacement, it =
handles essentially everything that we used to do, even the games. The =
likes of L.O.R.D, Falcon's Eye, Usurper and Exitilus have been replaced =
by Mafia Was and Farmville.

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From: Kenneth Ratliff
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that had an amazing ear...anytime we had issue with Alltel he would call =
me up and give me some pretty exact troubleshooting...
Brockman and I knew a guy that could squeal well enough to make a modem =
reliably connect at 9600 over and over hehe

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From: Kenneth Ratliff
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1:133/1004
Brockman was 1:133/1004.1 because he was too damn cheap to pick up his =
own address ;)=

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From: "Alex Smith (K4RNT)"
------------------------------------------------------
Oi! I 'm still interested in eComStation for some... weird... obscure reaso=
n.
...
--=20
" ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech
censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied,
chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron
Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is
trodden on we=E2=80=99re all damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aar=
on
Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode "The Drumhead"
- Alex Smith (K4RNT)
- Sterling, Virginia USA

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From: Dave Brockman
------------------------------------------------------
I tried loading it up 2-3 years ago, wasn't impressed. Didn't make the
install any leff of a PITA, and it looked pretty much the same as Warp
v4, w/o all the Logos.
REXX was cool though...
Regards,
dtb

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From: "Alex Smith (K4RNT)"
------------------------------------------------------
Likewise.
ecause I spent all my free time communicating electronically to alot of peo=
ple I'd never met, and never would.
s me sad. I want my hobby back.
--=20
" ' With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech
censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied,
chains us all irrevocably.' Those words were uttered by Judge Aaron
Satie as wisdom and warning... The first time any man's freedom is
trodden on we=E2=80=99re all damaged." - Jean-Luc Picard, quoting Judge Aar=
on
Satie, Star Trek: TNG episode "The Drumhead"
- Alex Smith (K4RNT)
- Sterling, Virginia USA

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From: Gary Hasty
------------------------------------------------------
Unfortunately, everytime I end up running across my old tape backups
of my board and think about putting it back on the interwebs, I
realize it's prob the same as the once a year ritual of opening up the
box of my Atari 2600 and cartridges to setup the TV and realize 2
hours later...wow, that really sucked.
---
Gary Hasty
"The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing." - Walt
Disney

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From: Nick Smith
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I miss legend of the red dragon.
They do have a web based legend of the green dragon that works as a replacement.

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From: Mike Harrison
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What BBS's brought was a community of intelligent people together.
There are a few websites/community blogs still like that.

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From: Kenneth Ratliff
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If it wasn't for the privacy issues, I'd probably have a Facebook account.
That's my major issue with it.

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From: Kenneth Ratliff
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Locally, that may be true. The majority of the people I consider close
friends are all from my BBS days.
When you got into stuff like Fido, however, the same idjuts that troll the
interwebs these days were present. I remember many many stupid arguments
in Fido (and non Fido) echoes hehe

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From: Dave Brockman
------------------------------------------------------
I think it required a bottle of something rot-gut, but as I recall, we
got it done :)
Regards,
dtb

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From: Dave Brockman
------------------------------------------------------
Meh, I'm not *that* hard to find, and well.... ya never know what
skelies might pop out with my name scribbled on it... :)
Danke :) Reminds me, whatever happened to Watcomm? They used to have
some nice compilers back in the day....
Regards,
dtb

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From: Dave Brockman
------------------------------------------------------
That was our era though... we didn't have FB/MyS/etc. Hell my
kindergartener comes home with links to school-sanctioned/funded sites
where all the kids create avatars and do puzzles for points, etc that
they trade in for upgrades of their "common" space in-game.
And you and I moved a bit during our formative years, as I recall. I
spent my high school years spread across three states, you often don't
make those life-long relationships in 8-9 months amid teen angst and
hormones....
It's amazing to see some of the ghosts of the past from Fido/Usenet and
where they are today.....
Regards,
dtb

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From: Kenneth Ratliff
------------------------------------------------------
Yes, I remember that being a VERY long day, and my introduction to
Canadian Mist hehe

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From: Kenneth Ratliff
------------------------------------------------------
I'm pretty careful about where I put my personal info. Hell, if you
remember, I didn't even use my real name back in the BBS days. I think
LinkedIn is the only thing that gives me any real exposure on the net, and
I like it that way.
Dunno, I gave up on my programming kick when I moved away from the BBS
game. The few things I've needed that weren't already written or weren't
adaptable to my needs I've always been able to overcome with some bash
script hackery hehe

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From: Dave Brockman
------------------------------------------------------
*ahem* Did anyone besides Rob? Yes, I was very proud of the fact that
pre-LinkedIn, Google didn't know who I was :) That Richmond fella
though.... :)
Yeah, I know. If I could only get a consistent, stable version of perl
to run on all these windows machines, my life would be a lot easier :)
Regards,
dtb

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From: Kenneth Ratliff
------------------------------------------------------
There's a web comic I enjoy called Nukees, where one of the guys creates a
blend of like the hopscotch app and the Achievements systems from various
popular gaming platforms. It got people hooked and had stuff like WoW
nerds getting out and getting some exercise or going on a date. It was
amusing, but I thought it was an excellent social commentary at how sheep
like our society is. It's amazing what people will do just to get some
arbitrary bits flipped in a remote data base.
Yeah, the ability to communicate remotely allowed me to have some
stability on my social relationships. It was hard leaving Florida, as I'd
made alot of good friends down there, but since we were all BBS nerds, it
wasn't that difficult to at least stay in touch. The only casualty for
that was my long distance bill, and with the advent of QWK messaging, that
was a minimal issue. The part that sucked was not being able to go to the
monthly and/or spontaneous gatherings that occurred. But I got to Georgia
and made new friends, so it all worked out. Hell, you and I have gone
years at a time without speaking because life got in the way, but we can
sit down and pickup and it's like we saw each other last week.
Nowadays, I think the convenience and ease of electronic communication
actually helps social relationships stagnate more than anything. Everybody
takes it all for granted because you know you can email or text somebody
whenever. On the opposite end of the spectrum, the signal to noise ratio
got out of whack.... if my friends are busy updating their twitter feed
every time they take a poop, I'm less likely to pay any attention to their
feed.
Yeah. I get nostalgic every once and awhile and go pull up names. There
was one individual, Clay Tannacore, back on the Fido that I got into some
knock down drag out e-fights with. Hated the bastard, but was saddened to
hear of his passing.
I need to bring you my copy of the BBS documentary when I come up there
next week, it'll bring back some memories. The interview where they have
RaD MaN (ACiD) and Lord Soth (iCE) sit down is alot of fun, since those
guys used to hate each other

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From: Dave Brockman
------------------------------------------------------
Ok, I'll have to file that in my need to read stack... As if the whole
FB thing in and of itself isn't commentary enough....
To be fair, I think we transcended BBS buddies, somewhere between
roommate and boss....
Exactly... agreed 100% on both points.
Hehe, yeah, that should be a fun walk down history lane :)
Regards,
dtb