ZAZ:Does anybody have an informative article rather than a propaganda piece? What I get from the article seems entirely reasonable: possession of multiple condoms creates suspicion, but is not an offense.

"creates suspicion" is a convenient justification for harassment by the NYPD without a specific reason. Like if a cop wants to give a trans woman a hard time for carrying two condoms.

Unless you go around wearing condoms as earrings, police have already decided to harass you by the time they start counting.

It doesn't make the situation any better, and it only further shows how your point that owning multiple condoms "creates suspicion" adds justification to an abusive force that should have less power to harass people, not more No, it's not a reasonable thesis.

The New York police department sure hates new yorkers. Woman with too many condoms? Hooker; enjoy jail. Black? Must be armed; enjoy pat down followed by jail. Hm, I guess there's one group of people they don't hate.

Philip J. Fry:The New York police department sure hates new yorkers. Woman with too many condoms? Hooker; enjoy jail. Black? Must be armed; enjoy pat down followed by jail. Hm, I guess there's one group of people they don't hate.

If you watched the Occupy protests it's clear the NYPD can be equal opportunity haters under the right circumstances.

Philip J. Fry:The New York police department sure hates new yorkers. Woman with too many condoms? Hooker; enjoy jail. Black? Must be armed; enjoy pat down followed by jail. Hm, I guess there's one group of people they don't hate.

fusillade762:What does owning more than one bulletproof vest make you?

If you're Old Dirty Bastard, it makes you a felon:

Rapper Ol' Dirty Bastard, who survived being fired on by Brooklyn cops last month, was arrested in Los Angeles for wearing a bulletproof vest, authorities said yesterday. The Wu-Tang Clan star, whose real name is Russell Jones, was pulled over Tuesday night for driving erratically. He was arrested for wearing a bulletproof vest a no-no because of his felony record, an LAPD spokesman said. Jones, 30, faces up to three years in jail for the offense. He was freed on $18,000 bail. It was unclear when the rapper began wearing the vest, but he's had more than his share of experience with gunfire. Last year, he was wounded during a Brooklyn robbery. Last month, Brooklyn cops pulled over Jones and a relative for driving without headlights and opened fire on the van after cops said Jones shot at them. No one was injured. Earlier this month, a grand jury refused to indict the rapper because no gun was recovered. Jones was wearing a bullet-proof vest in that incident, and that was included in the charges filed by cops. A lawyer for Jones was not immediately available for comment. Alternate name: Russell Jones

ZAZ:Does anybody have an informative article rather than a propaganda piece? What I get from the article seems entirely reasonable: possession of multiple condoms creates suspicion, but is not an offense.

The article doesn't say "creates suspicions" it says "is grounds for arrest"From the actual text of the billNew Section 60.47 would be added to the Criminal Procedure Law to prohibit the introduction of possession of a condom or other contraceptive device in NY trial, hearing or proceeding pursuant to Section 60.42 of the criminal procedure law or Section 240.37 of the penal law for the purpose of establishing probable cause for an arrest or proving any person's commission or attempted commission of such offense.

So the bill bans using condoms as probable cause for arrest on sex work related offences. Which if I am not misreading means that a cop can haul you in for having multiple condoms, and the prosecutor will gladly use that as evidence that you're a prostitute with no other justification necessary.

oldernell:So someone buys a box of a dozen, planning to give their honey a weekend they won't forget, and now they're a criminal?

Not only a criminal but a deviant as well. Only married couples comprised of one man and one woman should be having sex, and then only for the purposes of procreation. That's the only reason people should be allowed to marry in the first place so of course people with condoms are gypsies, tramps, or thieves.

Jormungandr:ZAZ: Does anybody have an informative article rather than a propaganda piece? What I get from the article seems entirely reasonable: possession of multiple condoms creates suspicion, but is not an offense.

The article doesn't say "creates suspicions" it says "is grounds for arrest"From the actual text of the billNew Section 60.47 would be added to the Criminal Procedure Law to prohibit the introduction of possession of a condom or other contraceptive device in NY trial, hearing or proceeding pursuant to Section 60.42 of the criminal procedure law or Section 240.37 of the penal law for the purpose of establishing probable cause for an arrest or proving any person's commission or attempted commission of such offense.

So the bill bans using condoms as probable cause for arrest on sex work related offences. Which if I am not misreading means that a cop

currentlycan haul you in for having multiple condoms, and the prosecutor will gladly use that as evidence that you're a prostitute with no other justification necessary.

a particular individual:Rapper Ol' Dirty Bastard, who survived being fired on by Brooklyn cops last month, was arrested in Los Angeles for wearing a bulletproof vest,

Sounds like there may be a market on Etsy for craft made meteor proof vests to protect your torso from rapidly moving bits of nickle iron that just may happen to rain from the sky. No rule against wearing one of those, is there?

Did anyone read the article? Some NYC cops have been doing f*cked-up sh*t (news flash: cops are often assholes, and not just in NYC), and apparently the city's going to do something about it. That's good.

Did anyone read the article? Some NYC cops have been doing f*cked-up sh*t (news flash: cops are often assholes, and not just in NYC), and apparently the city's going to do something about it. That's good.

Yeah, but this particular PD has a national reputation (see recent Twitter fiasco) of being abusive assholes. That's bad.

Did anyone read the article? Some NYC cops have been doing f*cked-up sh*t (news flash: cops are often assholes, and not just in NYC), and apparently the city's going to do something about it. That's good.

Yeah, but this particular PD has a national reputation (see recent Twitter fiasco) of being abusive assholes. That's bad.

ZAZ:Does anybody have an informative article rather than a propaganda piece? What I get from the article seems entirely reasonable: possession of multiple condoms creates suspicion, but is not an offense.

Um... they're treating it as probable cause, not just suspicion. "Suspicion" is not police-actionable and can't be used to put someone in custody for 24 hours at a time.

Rapper Ol' Dirty Bastard, who survived being fired on by Brooklyn cops last month, was arrested in Los Angeles for wearing a bulletproof vest, authorities said yesterday. The Wu-Tang Clan star, whose real name is Russell Jones, was pulled over Tuesday night for driving erratically. He was arrested for wearing a bulletproof vest a no-no because of his felony record, an LAPD spokesman said. Jones, 30, faces up to three years in jail for the offense. He was freed on $18,000 bail. It was unclear when the rapper began wearing the vest, but he's had more than his share of experience with gunfire. Last year, he was wounded during a Brooklyn robbery. Last month, Brooklyn cops pulled over Jones and a relative for driving without headlights and opened fire on the van after cops said Jones shot at them. No one was injured. Earlier this month, a grand jury refused to indict the rapper because no gun was recovered. Jones was wearing a bullet-proof vest in that incident, and that was included in the charges filed by cops. A lawyer for Jones was not immediately available for comment. Alternate name: Russell Jones

So farkin' stupid! Defensive clothing shouldn't even be looked at. This has got to be idiotic fallout from the North Hollywood shootout.