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Comment by Vuelhering

Is it worth it?Only time will tell at this juncture.Tune in next week to discover the secret of .... oh wait, we can figure it out now.

Time won't tell. Numbers will tell. Here are some simple numbers, which are mostly estimates, but will show what the tradeoffs are.

Using your example, a 2.5 sec spellcast (which was probably talented down from 3.0 sec, so we'll say it's a warlock) you get 86% of your +damage. To average 2.5k with a non-crit shadowbolt, you'll probably have around +1300 spelldamage, 20% crit, and Ruin, and some debuffs. Or more crit and less damage. Or some combination.

To get 10% more damage, you could either add in about 150 spell haste, around 240 spellcrit, or another 140-ish damage.

Because most people start with 0 spell haste, it is probably the best to improve. In other words, if you have 0 spelldamage, getting +200 is pretty good and will increase your damage some 40%. But if you have +1000 already, it will only increase maybe 10%.

With your example, I would trade off spell haste for spell damage if you have a lot of +damage (like +1000 completely unbuffed) at a 1:1 rate.

If you have lower spell damage than around +1000, you shouldn't trade off haste. You'll get more damage overall if you just increase your +damage. Again, that's an estimate, but it should be close.

Comment by peoii

With your example, I would trade off spell haste for spell damage if you have a lot of +damage (like +1000 completely unbuffed) at a 1:1 rate.

The only trick with this statement is typically we're not trading off spell dmg looking at the current itemization, we're looking at replacing +hit or +crit for this haste. Now speaking for myself as an arcane spec'd mage, +hit is very very easy to come by and easy to cap. So I am definitely looking at trading off some of my +crit for haste. It's a very worth it mechanic, and scales perfectly with your other gear upgrades. imho one of the best itemizations you can get once, as you say, you're properly geared.

Comment by xenjuarn

10% crit and 10% haste rating would give nearly same dps increase. For a mage viewpoint, fire gets a little bit more dmg form crit, frost gets exactly the same, and arcane gains more from haste since arcane crits is only 1.75With that being said, it looks like spell haste rating and crit rating worth same point when considering item lvls.1% crit = 22.1 rating and 1% haste = 15.76 rating, so it is easier to stack haste rating.I wouldn't change my items with 1.5% crit for some 1.5% haste rating items but new badge rewards and zulaman drops are very nice to upgrade your weaker parts with no crit and possibly some hit ratings if you have more than cap requirement and using item only because you dont have better (which is a rare situation)

Comment by Jaygoodie

i pity people who still use frozen shadowweave over this item. its just not smart playing.

Comment by Cookiedala

This robe looks exactly the same as Vermillion Robes of the Dominant Dropped in Steamvaults. http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27799It dropped for my guild on our first Zul'Aman raid from Halazzi the Lynx Avatar. It takes a bit of coordination to take this boss down, as it has two phases, but then again, any caster can then roll on a nice +spell haste robe :)

Comment by lethalnl

this is quite possibly one of the worst dps items, way to much item lvl spent on spirit

Comment by DarukaFrostwolf

i am an Arcane Spec'd Mage, just got this drop last night. i would like to use it but it interupts my Spellfire Set Bonus which gives me alot more SP damage and crit. i was thinking if i i got a few more pieces with spellhaste i could be better off using that for pvp then my spellfire set since my arcane missles would be caster faster which means i could be DPSing fools down fast. was just a thought but what do u guys think? look up Daruka on the armory to see hwo im spec'd for further advice. thanks

Depending on the rest of your gear, the haste on these could add up to alot.

Comment by Finnicks

It is interesting to note that this may be the only piece of equipment in the game that actually shows more skin on a male character than on a female character (mostly due to the female models' requisite bra).

It is very unusual to see a piece of equipment that shows skin on both male and female characters, when usually such pieces are revealing on a female character and not so on a male one.

Comment by Pyroshen

Interesting to note, once wotlk hits this will become a very nice healing chest piece.

Spirit, haste, more healing than karazhan pieces

Comment by Dragixx

Just got this on my mage and I have to say, as a tabard collector, this looks great with the Stormpike Battle Tabard. You look really colorful, it really stands out.

Comment by ashmoo

Quite nice for any Priest as of patch 3.02, especially if you're interested in a haste set.

Comment by eluneaurora

So glad I got mine before ZA was removed. A beautiful robe for its' time, still mostly unique. The recolored 85 version doesn't look nearly as good. :D

Comment by Ozlem

Quite possible the best dress that makes my boobs look so good. (♥_♥) I'm so glad I kept it.

Comment by Alaurynn

As of Patch 6.0, this beautiful robe is back in the game. I have pulled it from Salvage Crates in my garrison multiple times.