Post by donq on Nov 8, 2016 6:14:50 GMT

Let me quote something first:

Why sick people get well?

There are, of course, many reasons why someone might get well aftergetting sick. Certainly, modern pharmaceutical drugs often help the sick get better, experience less pain, heal more quickly from a variety of conditions, and, if they don’t actually help heal diseases (like cold “remedies”), they often make such unhappy experiences more comfortable.But other things happen as well. For ordinarily healthy people, most sicknesses are “self-limiting,” which is a fancy way of saying that they go away by themselves. Colds and headaches are the examples with which we are most familiar. Many of the upsets of babies and small children are self-limiting; this is the origin of what must be the most common “prescription” of the pediatrician – “Call me again in the morning” – by which time the problem is usually gone. And it has long been said that, left to itself, a cold will last about a week and a half, but when treated with all the armamentarium of modern medicine will last only about ten days.A more complicated version of this goes by the unpleasant name “regression to the mean.” The idea here is that chronic diseases (ones that don’t ordinarily go away “by themselves”) regularly wax and wane. Such conditions get worse for a while, then get better for a while, and then worse again.-from Meaning, Medicine, and the ‘Placebo Effect’ by Daniel E. Moerman

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I wonder if that's also the case about spiritual sickness? I mean someone has to meditate (or having some kinds of spiritual practice) for such a long time before he could handle with his bad emotions, says, depression, anger, greed, etc. (Yes, someone who don't believe in spirituality might have to go to see their shrinks.) But why some people who neither meditate nor go to see their shrinks also getting well by themselves without doing anything? So, is it true that if left to itself, says, a greed will last about a week and a half (as for anger, it even last so much shorter than that), but when treated with all the armamentarium of spiritual practice (or the great methods in psychiatry/psychotherapy) will last only about ten days. Isn't that the same period of time?This reminds me of old Chinese saying about "doing nothing". But how doing nothing could solve any problem?

"What pattern connects the crab to the lobster and the orchid to the primrose and all the four of them to me? And me to you?" - Gregory Bateson (from “Mind and Nature”)

Post by gruntal on Nov 8, 2016 6:54:04 GMT

This begs the question of why things happen in the first place. One version equates progress with stress; in the absence of adversity we just give up. But if stagnation is the status quo then why are we at some point in time and place so adventuresome ? Is the good life really that boring?

So the other version suggests we get ourselves into situations because it is programed into our very being. Indeed life itself is defined not by survival but by growth. Any given amount of decay is just temporal. If it were any other way we would have died out millions of years ago.

Egg shells were meant to be busted.

A more useful question might be why it takes supposedly similar people vastly different times and efforts to achieve the same results? That at first glance is most unfair. Unless of course there are things unseen or unheard because they happened so long ago. Or so far away. "Doing nothing" may be just our way of catching up with ourselves ....

Post by aceofcups on Nov 8, 2016 20:08:34 GMT

Gruntal you said in your last post"why it takes supposedly similar people vastly different times and efforts to achieve the same results."

I think are so complicated on multiple levels of our beings and just looking at outside physical effects (even if appearing similar from outside) doesn't always take into consideration the energies in our physical /etheric fields, emotions field, in our mental field and higher levels of connection.

In other words our Karmic predicament we were born with and working with can also be very different at times.

Just my two cents...

The breeze at dawn has secrets to tell you. Don’t go back to sleep ... People are going back and forth across the doorsill where the two worlds touch. The door is round and open. Don’t go back to sleep ... Rumi

Post by donq on Nov 9, 2016 7:31:59 GMT

George said, "why it takes supposedly similar people vastly different times and efforts to achieve the same results" and Charlie said, "our Karmic predicament we were born with and working with can also be very different at times." Very interesting! Thanks both of you.I also like what George said about "'Doing nothing' may be just our way of catching up with ourselves..."

I could not help but think that it has something to do with...(let's not use the term prior Karma or the past life here)...preconditioning? We have conditioned ourselves on this and that stuffs after we were born. If you love eating sweet then there's a big chance you had to fix your diabetes later, hence unconditioning.

Many months ago I accidentally lost one of my toenail (pretty scary, right? lol). I thought I would lost it forever but it turned out that I got it back again without doing nothing. Then, why I didn't get my tooth back again the same way?

So, life has so many rules? Somethings we could get back and somethings we couldn't? Then, how do we know which is which?