Van Jones explains Social Justice

Van Jones spoke at Guilford College in North Carolina a couple of days ago and defined Social Justice for the audience. He said that if you could write your life on a card and put it in a hat filled with cards from everyone else in your country, and that you could then be totally assured that any card you pulled out would be a good life for you to live, then you know you live in a social justice country.

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Davidkiser21

Ah, brainless speaks. You can see why the colleges and public schools should be clensed of this mess.

Anonymous

The guy is such a hack, that stupid elementary school hat analogy was nothing more than a dumbed down repurposing of John Rawls’ Veil of Ignorance.

I thought that study was interesting. I would have liked to see a more in-depth study though. It would be nice to have more information from a wider perspective for better analysis.
1. Differences between students at Private, State, and Community colleges.
2. Differences between students who live on-campus vs off-campus.
3. Differences between students who work and don’t work during their college years.

I went to a former community college, now state college. But the school tends to have a higher drop-out rate,. I always felt, if the students couldn’t make it through the first two years, they would never make it through all four. There isn’t a frat system in place, very few places for entertainment in the town, and definitely not a party school.

Basically, I think think the study could have done a bit more to differentiate between students with their behavior as well as evaluate the value of the education (i.e. cost benefit of community college vs private university).

BTW, I personally don’t think study time is a good measure for students, as each person retains information differently. And as the study did tend to show, studying did not tend to improve student scores.

Anonymous

And when these loony-lefty advocates for this kind of socialism/communism, see it arrive, might they be surprised when their belongings and assets are confiscated too? How do they even think their way through breakfast for lying to a crowd!

Methinks there’d be cries such as the world has never seen from these folks. Wait a gol-durn second! I’m exempt from this shiiiiiiiiit!!!

And as the Gov. official comes to say, hey, we need your house and business…Wait, don’t you know who I am.

YEP! Get out comrade! We’ve decided that your new job is head-bullshirt shoveler. You can room with Olbermann over there in that FEMA trailer.

Indy

Well, aint they just lucky that people like us don’t plan to go away.
Communism/Socialism just never works.
Got to keep beating the drum so the future generation hears the opposing arguments. Lest their innocent minds be enslaved by falsehood.

Van Jones said we’re all born ignorant.
He should have siad innocent. But I suppose if he did, he might have given himself away.

No wonder they’re in the schools!
Perverting the innocents.
Now if that’s not a reason to NOT SHUT-UP, then what is?

Anonymous

We need to shed the light on this stuff Indy. BIGTIME. They are finally coming out of the woodwork into the marvelous disinfectant of the LIGHT.

We need to proclaim the truth, early, often, late and LOUDLY!!!

I will never shut-up nor give up. When they come for me, they’ll need a bodybag cuz I will NOT go peacefully into this abyss. God help me I WILL NOT.

Indy

Ah yes.
Like roaches scattering to get back to the woodwork, that is the day I’m looking forward to.
As for the abyss – that I leave to the hand of God, and pray “they” don’t come for any of us.
Nevertheless, I can’t be silent either. And as an American – I’m arrogant enough to exercise my right of FREE SPEECH.

You gotta love us. (haha)

Indy

One more thing~

When I was a kid I had a favorite poster that I managed to hang on to, even though we moved a lot. I always positioned it on the wall facing the foot of my bed, so if I was sitting on the bed reading or doing homework when I took a break and looked up, I’d have a little something to think about.

The focal point was a bald eagle. Swooping down on its’ prey in all of its’ glorious wonder. Wings outstretched, talons opened, its’ eyes reflecting intensity and precision while meeting the eyes of its’ prey. (Awesome)

I never could make my mind up when it came to deciding which of the two I liked more. The majestic artisry of that large eagle, or what stood on the high cliff waiting to be snatched up…
Now, that was the figure of a little cartoon mouse.
As bold as mighty mouse, the little guy took his stand. Chest out, it’s face radiating determination. Its’ little paw raised – to flip that bird “THE BIRD”
At the bottom was this caption: THE LAST GREAT ACT OF DEFIANCE

Thought you might appreciate the humor of it.
The thing is, I guess that’s a little bit how a lot of us are feeling these days. We feel like we’re small and helpless, but if we’re going down, we’re going down bold and brazen – if not brainless!

Myself, the only weapon I carry is the proverbial pen in hand. (or shall I say keyboard for the sake of modern times)

I’m not anti-government. I believe in limited government and still believe there are a lot of good people in our government. I pray for their success and safety, and I pray that I’m right.

Hold on and fight the good fight. Fight ignorance with knowledge, and stubbornly resist every tactic the left throws at you.
Truth always wins in the end.

Anonymous

Very nice 🙂

Anonymous

And when these loony-lefty advocates for this kind of socialism/communism, see it arrive, might they be surprised when their belongings and assets are confiscated too? How do they even think their way through breakfast for lying to a crowd!

Methinks there’d be cries such as the world has never seen from these folks. Wait a gol-durn second! I’m exempt from this shiiiiiiiiit!!!

And as the Gov. official comes to say, hey, we need your house and business…Wait, don’t you know who I am.

YEP! Get out comrade! We’ve decided that your new job is head-bullshirt shoveler. You can room with Olbermann over there in that FEMA trailer.

Johnm

Ah yes, he does speak and I think he should. He is most honest about who he is and what he stands for, his right to be wrong in this country. I whole heartily disagree with him but we should stop him. Debate him on the merits of his views and beliefs. If we want to win this country back then we must debate “honestly” and truth will win out. We have all remain silent too long and sat by passively, don’t stop them from speaking but challenge them to support their views and be ready to support your views with truth and do not get into name calling but honest debate. They cannot win with the light of truth shines upon their views.

Diamondback

YES!!! And that is what’s driving the libtards nuts these days. The conservatives have FINALLY started fighting back and speaking out and WINNING THE ARGUMENTS!

That’s why the LSM libtards have been screeching and slobbering an so forth lately trying to re-institute the Fairness Doctrine and calling for civility FROM THE RIGHT ONLY apparently.

NO, KEEP SPEAKING OUT!

Arm yourselves with irrefutable knowledge/evidence and beat them about the head and shoulders with the FACTS and TRUTH.

Indy

Amen.

Johnm

woops I missed “we should NOT stop him” missed the not there.

las

You’re right… of course we shouldn’t stop him. But he’s still a fool. And this is not rhetoric… it’s fact based.

Jones: “We’re all pretty much born equally ignorant”.

If his statement is true, then he sure seems to be more equal than others. N’est pas? If he’s “more” equal in the “ignorant” department than the others, how does his having “more” square with his utopia of equality.

Obviously Jones did not get the memo on how communism collapsed in the Soviet Union. Equal outcomes… such a fool.

Anonymous

Tut tut, you know better las. Marxists have their out when it comes to history demonstrating the infeasibility of their “theory.”

In this age of texting, we’ve learned to fill in the blanks. If anyone calls you out for a typo, just tell yourself it must be Keith Oberman in disguise. Give yourself a pat on the back for drawing his attention and then go about your business and don’t worry a lick about it.

Indy

In this age of texting, we’ve learned to fill in the blanks. If anyone calls you out for a typo, just tell yourself it must be Keith Oberman in disguise. Give yourself a pat on the back for drawing his attention and then go about your business and don’t worry a lick about it.

They ALL have such GOOD LIVES! Just look at their photos in mass pictures where they haven’t been assembled for a photo op and told to look happy or else.

Top Down, Bottom Up, Inside Out. (Well, let’s just say I, and many other patriots around the country, have just little different take on how that strategy might be employed eventually.)

10ksnooker

You pay our voters … Social justice in a nutshell.

John

I understand what Van Jones wants – but the way to achieve a good living for everyone isn’t forced redistribution of wealth, taxes and government handouts.

Why is it that we, in the 21st century, have a better standard of living than every generation of humans before us? Good living and a decent life is a combination of:

Scientific breakthroughs.

Engineering achievements.

Free markets.

Mass production.

A moral people and self-regulating society.

A legal framework that protects the people from corruption and harm.

I’m sure there are other ingredients, but the essential point is that communism, socialist, fascism etc. aren’t the solution.

Johnm

He left out a small detail, WHO decides what a “good living” is and how much are you entitled to. Just say yes and we will let you know what that is when we get there, right.

RyokTHEgod

John, you are thinking too logically for this argument… with lefties it’s all about feel good intentions on every level not just the grand scheme of things.

Anonymous

you forgot a “legal” framework that protects the people from the government

Anonymous

When socialism and communism go bad you lose you life, when capitalism goes bad you lose you wallet. It seems to be inevitable that corruption will happen. I can deal with losing my wallet. It’s the life things that’s a little more difficult to replace.

Anonymous

Common sense: Yo’ Van. Have you any concept of the facts as they surround and apply to communist countries of the past?

Van (covering his ears): La,la,la,la,la,,,

Common sense: Take the USSR for example. Have you at least read some of the eyewitness, heart-wrenching stories of the abject, gut-gnawing, poverty, the complete lack of freedom and the subordination of the human soul, mind and body?

Van (covering his ears): La,la,la,la,la,,,

Common sense: Could you AT LEAST read “We The Living” (Ayn Rand) a lady who lived through Soviet style communism/collectivism?

Van (covering his ears): La,la,la,la,la,,,

Common sense: And how might you be exempt from this unliving abyss?
Nevermind. You’d use the freedoms you now have to kill the same. You and I have nothing in common sir.

Anonymous

(excerpt from “We The Living” Ayn Rand 1936)

“Why do you think I’m alive? Because I have a stomach and eat and digest food? Because I breathe and work and produce more food to digest? Or because I know what I want, and that something which knows how to want–isn’t that life itself?”

“…But you’ve tried to tell us what we should want. You came as a solemn army to bring new life to men. You tore that life you knew nothing about, out of their guts–and you told them what it has to be. You took their every hour, every minute, every nerve, every thought in the farthest corners of their souls–and you told them what it had to be. You came and you forbade life to the living. You’ve driven us all into an iron cellar and you’ve closed all the doors, and you’ve locked us airtight, airtight till the blood vessels of our spirits burst! Then you stare and wonder what it’s doing to us. Well, then, look! All of you who have eyes left–look!”

Indubitably. It brings the entire book back to mind for me and is tough even to reread without my throat getting all lumpy/emotional. I remember it jumping off of the page when I read the book and I typed it out and saved it in my documents. This lady knows how to convey what she speaks of…she witnessed it. There is NO THING of redeemable value in this kind of system. There is no virtue there, save only, perhaps, in the hearts of those eager to escape it.

How some can advocate for this stuff is something I cannot understand. They believe the big lie even when it is shown plainly to them how void it is of truth. The founder of the original black panthers saw some of this walking death firsthand and uh, changed his thinking, as did many others.

We simply cannot go there. We will NOT go there.

Conservative Hippie

Amen!

Diamondback

Here, here.

Anonymous

Ah, but you are going there, slowly perhaps, but the slippery slope is there – it’s called “regulation” with regulators that neither you nor your elected representatives in the congress have any control over.

Anonymous

Indeed we are and have been for awhile. Here is what is heartening for me.

People are waking up and are paying attention as never before, at least in my lifetime. In my inner being, my mind, soul or whatever it is…I see a political pendulumn and I see it at it’s leftward apex. You know what? Gravity is King. That dude’s gonna swing back and I’m-a gonna ride that thing…

LIKE THE WIND 🙂

(and when it gets back to that which our brilliant founders envisioned, my kids and grandkids are going to hold firm. I trust yours will too. That’s my belief, my hope and my prayer.

Anonymous

I want to be part of the next Greatest Generation. This is our battlefield, it is one of ideas and we cannot lose it. Not us, not now, not ever…

Indy

I would be interested to see the full presentation, was there a Q&A? were there other speakers? I wonder how much they school paid him to come talk to the kiddies and I wonder who else comes to campus?

Conservative Hippie

Good point!

Indy

Yes it is.
I wish I was the one who made it.
LOL

Signed Indy, Part II – If I’m not the original that is – my appologies.

And I’ll keep sqwauking until I get somefeed back.

Indy

Ah yes, I see another with the same user name, no worries, it happens.

Indy1

AH MAN!
There are TWO of us AGAIN!
Stop already! I’m running out of usser names.

Fair enough. You have solved the riddle. Common name? And is Indy – U?
What would you like to joust about? Exactly?

Signed Marie

Indy

I suppose you know that once you log in you can’t change the name, so it’s still Indy.
Why?
Short for Indy-pen-dent.
I’m put off by both parties.
Is that what you’d like to joust with for starters R.S.?

Anonymous

No, I just wanted to say:

So……………how’s it goin’?

I’m a registered Republican and my family does a lot of work with the Tea Party and the Republican party up here in the frozen WASTELAND of Michigan. (I truly didn’t mean for that wasteland to slip out like that, but, who cares) Our state is ripe for conservative sense and we have both houses and the Gov. now for a change.

Anonymous

The demmies pulled some dirty tricks up here this last election and it bit them in the collective hibiscuseseses. They think people are dumber than they are w/o realizing how improbable that is. They are sympathetic to VAN JONES perchance? I don’t want to mince words when I say…Yes. Sorry to beat around the bush like that. yes.

Anonymous

The demmies pulled some dirty tricks up here this last election and it bit them in the collective hibiscuseseses. They think people are dumber than they are w/o realizing how improbable that is. They are sympathetic to VAN JONES perchance? I don’t want to mince words when I say…Yes. Sorry to beat around the bush like that. yes.

Indy

Well, I guess we don’t have much to joust over. I was a Republican for years – much to the dismay of my poor Dad. A real blue-blooded Democrat who LOVED Jimmy Carter. (Need I say more?) Other than my Party of choice nearly broke his heart.
I guess I got a lot of practise arguing politics with him.
He had a good heart. If he was alive today, he’d probably be buying into the garbage. Democrats aren’t bad people. The people listening to Van Jones aren’t bad people.
Most of them are good hearted people, and that’s what burns me up about it all.

I think Republicans and Democrats both pulled some dirty tricks this past election. It would be nice if we could just go in and fire all the old ones, replace them with new ones and take it from there, but unfortunately, the system doesn’t work that way.

This is NOT the Dems of those thrilling days of yesteryear. (Say, that reminds me of the Lone Ranger…Hi Ho SILVER AWAY!)

The Dems used to be “better than a sharp stick in the eye”, now they ARE a sharp stick in BOTH eyes. How much do these czars make? Fire each and every one of them and have Obama drive each one home personally, on a BigWheel. That’ll take some time…in the meantime, back at the ranch…the mice will play and the barn door will be locked tight!

This is NOT the Dems of those thrilling days of yesteryear. (Say, that reminds me of the Lone Ranger…Hi Ho SILVER AWAY!)

The Dems used to be “better than a sharp stick in the eye”, now they ARE a sharp stick in BOTH eyes. How much do these czars make? Fire each and every one of them and have Obama drive each one home personally, on a BigWheel. That’ll take some time…in the meantime, back at the ranch…the mice will play and the barn door will be locked tight!

Anonymous

That’s the problem, the Dems have been promising the impossible forever. It’s tough to argue against a fantasy world. It’s a fantasy world that everyone likes to build up with a blinding consensus of good will.

If we all say it’s going to work it will just work. Even though all historical evidence points to the contrary. Socialized medicine has been tried many many times and the place without it is the place everyone travels to to get work done on themselves. One would never believe that if they listened to the media and the WHO.

Trying to be real here… I really think Van Jones wants everyone to be able to have a good life. And I think that’s a noble endeavor. The problem is that that life doesn’t come till we are living in the New Heaven and New Earth; where Yahweh is God, Yeshua is King and that communal life will not be lived as sinful beings but as transformed perfect beings under a perfect Deistic Monarchy. Unfortuanately we have to wait for that existence under a sinful humanity (yes we are all sinners).

I would like to propose a question: What type of government system gives sinful humans the best chance to worship God without fear of opression and also live in a country where Justice is served (notice i didn’t say “Social Justice”)?

For me the US Constitution and American “Experiment” come closest to answering that question.

Anonymous

With out a doubt the Constitution of the US of A. Sharia has taken over Europe how easily they submit to the loudest and angriest voice.

The wise man builds his house upon the rock. The basic premise is wrong. Freedom is why we live here and that is where these intellectual idiots are so messed up. If you could sum it up in one word, it would be “freedom”.

What if you don’t want to pick a life out of a hat? What if you already know the kind of life you want and you are willing to work hard for it? I don’t want to be known as life #54830675. I want to be known as Josh.

Conservative Hippie

Hi Josh, Welcome!

Anonymous

Here is the further problem than that even Josh. They would pick your life out for you. You couldn’t pick jack-crack. You know, “To each according to his…and from each according to his…”

Utterly bereft of humanity and individual dignity. The individual is completely subordinate to the collective. He/she is nothing but a cog in a filthy autonomic machine. I say autonomic, but usually in order to have a leader/centrsl planner with the lack of sympathy and lack of scruples to carry out this individual steamrolling, what usually happens it that the most monstrous person they have rises up and assumes control of the collective. Collective uber alles. You come against the collective, you lose 100 times out of 100. Who other than a soul-less monster can carry out the “human rights” vlolations that would of “necessity” ensue?

IndyII

And what if you’re of the REASONABLE mind that understands that some have worked harder to obtain, and so are deserving of the “fruit of their labors”.

This is not to say the majority of Americans don’t care about the poor.
People like Van Jones are using class-warfare to divide us as a nation.
That IS the big LIE.
To quote one of Jon Stewert’s best lines. “We don’t need a new word for liars…”

Excellent!

Signed, IndyII

Anonymous

Hello Josh !…bring it on sir.

It ain’t an AA meeting, it’s an LF meeting 🙂

Liberty…Freedom

Anonymous

(Quote by Robert Stacy McCain)

“To assert that some people have a “right” to goods and services that other people must work to produce-well, there is a phrase for that indeed, it is mentioned in the Constitution. Check the 13th Amendment, which abolished involuntary servitude.”

Conservative Hippie

C’mon rshill7, don’t bring the US Constitution into the argument. Don’t you know that’s full of “negative liberties”? 😉

Anonymous

Oh yeah…hmmm.

How’s about some positive servitude?

I’ll take the negative LIBERTY (and maybe some neutral Freedom and no, I don’t want fries or supersize with that), but I will eat it here 🙂

Anonymous

It is not full of “negative” liberties – it’s full of limits on the Federal Government over the States and the citizens that make up the US of America.

Anonymous

Here’s social justice. The Grasshopper and the Ant.

NEW VERSION . . . (sad but true)

The ant works hard, in the withering heat, all summer long.
He builds his house and stores supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper thinks that the ant is a fool.
He laughs, dances and plays the summer away, preparing nothing for the coming winter.

Winter comes, the ant is safe and warm.
The shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and fed, while others are cold and starving!

CBS, NBC, ABC & CNN show up to provide pictures of shivering grasshoppers, next to a video of an ant
in his comfortable home, with a table filled with food.

America is stunned by the sharp contrast! How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor
grasshopper is allowed to suffer this way?

Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah, with the grasshopper.
Everyone cries when they sing “It’s Not Easy Being Green”.

Jesse Jackson stages a demonstration in front of the ant’s house, where the news stations film the group
singing “We Shall Overcome”.
Jesse then has the group pray for the grasshopper’s sake, and reminds the group to contribute to his group, so that he can “continue the fight” for grasshoppers, everywhere!

Ted Kennedy & John Kerry exclaim, in an interview with Tom Brokaw, that the ant has gotten rich, off
the back of the poor grasshopper!
Both call for an immediate tax hike, to make the ant pay “his fair share”!

Finally, the EEOC drafts the “Economic Equity For Grasshoppers Act”, retroactive to the beginning of the
summer.

The ant is fined for failing to hire the proportionate number of green bugs and, having nothing left to
pay his retroactive taxes, his house is confiscated by the government.

Hillary Clinton gets her old law firm to represent the grasshopper, in a defamation suit against the ant.
The case is tried in federal court, with a jury comprised of unemployed welfare recipients.

Surprise! The ant loses the case!

The story ends, as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of the ant’s food, while the government house he lives in (which happens to be the ant’s old house) crumbles around him,
due to lack of maintenance!

The ant has disappeared in the snow.
The grasshopper is found, dead, in a drug-related incident.
The house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders, who terrorize this once-peaceful neighborhood.

The moral of this version? Don’t vote for Democrats or liberals.

Indy

WOW> This is good. Very good.
You should consider writing this in child book form so we can make our young kids and grandkids understand what’s going on in Washington and in the media.

I have to say when Kermit showed up I thought the grasshopper was history, but as I read on…how sad!

Seriously, it’s a good analogy.

Anonymous

It’s been around awhile.I’m not sure who wrote it, but it is pretty good.

Anonymous

lol

The moral of this version? Don’t vote for Democrats or liberals.

So which one is the Democrat in this story? j/k

That’s a great parable?

Anonymous

Here’s social justice. The Grasshopper and the Ant.

NEW VERSION . . . (sad but true)

The ant works hard, in the withering heat, all summer long.
He builds his house and stores supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper thinks that the ant is a fool.
He laughs, dances and plays the summer away, preparing nothing for the coming winter.

Winter comes, the ant is safe and warm.
The shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and fed, while others are cold and starving!

CBS, NBC, ABC & CNN show up to provide pictures of shivering grasshoppers, next to a video of an ant
in his comfortable home, with a table filled with food.

America is stunned by the sharp contrast! How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor
grasshopper is allowed to suffer this way?

Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah, with the grasshopper.
Everyone cries when they sing “It’s Not Easy Being Green”.

Jesse Jackson stages a demonstration in front of the ant’s house, where the news stations film the group
singing “We Shall Overcome”.
Jesse then has the group pray for the grasshopper’s sake, and reminds the group to contribute to his group, so that he can “continue the fight” for grasshoppers, everywhere!

Ted Kennedy & John Kerry exclaim, in an interview with Tom Brokaw, that the ant has gotten rich, off
the back of the poor grasshopper!
Both call for an immediate tax hike, to make the ant pay “his fair share”!

Finally, the EEOC drafts the “Economic Equity For Grasshoppers Act”, retroactive to the beginning of the
summer.

The ant is fined for failing to hire the proportionate number of green bugs and, having nothing left to
pay his retroactive taxes, his house is confiscated by the government.

Hillary Clinton gets her old law firm to represent the grasshopper, in a defamation suit against the ant.
The case is tried in federal court, with a jury comprised of unemployed welfare recipients.

Surprise! The ant loses the case!

The story ends, as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of the ant’s food, while the government house he lives in (which happens to be the ant’s old house) crumbles around him,
due to lack of maintenance!

The ant has disappeared in the snow.
The grasshopper is found, dead, in a drug-related incident.
The house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders, who terrorize this once-peaceful neighborhood.

This man should have a position in gubment! Hopefully no blue eyed devils screw it all up…!

Anonymous

Why does it not surprise me that someone who lived in a communal environment where the state provided everything equally likes this idea. Who wouldn’t want life to be just like living in prison. /s

Leave it to an ex-con to recreate a societal prison for everyone.

Inform4

The game that Van Jones is really playing is called ‘Strip Poker.’ It will strip you of everything you worked and strived for and give it to all the grasshoppers!

dwg

I wish Mr. Jones felt this way about tax policies. He seems to have no problem with disparate tax rates.

Jafoftn

It seems that anyone that speaks out against the true American values and who caters to the lazy “I deserve” all without earning it due to demographics, race or religious beliefs (excuses) will speak out against our country and way of life try to push the socialist doctrine on those of us that don’t want it nor will we stand for it. And they seem to get their way instead of “ok that’s your opinion, if you don’t like the American way of democracy than go to a country that has socialist dictatorships and by all means keep your BS liberal views out of our public education system. Please exercise your right and leave.