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There are some who postulate that the Menorah was misconstrued as a candle stick, rather than a symbol of the lost city, with half its concentric circles missing.

I've always found Atlantis to be the unfound Troy- a mythical city lost to our knowledge, trapped behind indecipherable passages, waiting to be found by someone willing to look where others have not...

Thoughts?

That link is to a very long and rather assuming text. And it does not seem to pertain to the Spanish coast.

Please explain what it is you want to discuss, and what the arguments on your side (or the side you want to discuss) are?

Hans

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Why?
I have had education in classical languages and actually have read some plato in greek and enough of it in my own language to form my own opinion.

IF, and that is a very big if, atlantis contrary to all current known information turns out to be real I'm sure I will hear of it trough a different channel than trough some random link, especially one where the one linking it won't explain what parts of it are compelling to him.

I know this forum is actually virus free, some random link, not so much.

Pfft...

So, you've never heard of James Cameron? He's responsible for "Avatar," the movie.

He's created a film about the connection between Atlantis and the Spanish coast.

Another interesting theory is that the mythical city of Atlantis is based on the destruction of some city off the coast of India, in the Arabian Sea.
Some other folks claim it's in South America.
It all just goes to show that many places can be forced to fit the 'facts' from a story told over a thousand years ago when water levels were different, and language was different, and names of places were different.......

Another interesting theory is that the mythical city of Atlantis is based on the destruction of some city off the coast of India, in the Arabian Sea.
Some other folks claim it's in South America.
It all just goes to show that many places can be forced to fit the 'facts' from a story told over a thousand years ago when water levels were different, and language was different, and names of places were different.......

"You've directed fiction, so you are no longer qualified to make documentaries."

*Seriously, that's NOT an argument against the findings presented here.

Wow, that amount of straw is a big fire hazard. No one even came close to saying that.

Here's a hint: making a documentary about a subject is not a de facto endorsement of the subject or the inherent claims.

People make documentaries about various religions, that doesn't make Odin or Anansi any more real.

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My conception of Atlantis wouldn't lead me to credulously accept any ol' red dot on a map. Yours does. So the first question is what, exactly, does Atlantis mean to you?

You know nothing of my conceptions, sir.

I 'believe' that the story of Atlantis contains truth. Like Homer's Troy, it will be, or has been found, because researchers were able to decipher Plato's writings to arrive at the site likely responsible for the myth.

It's too bad he doesn't know anything about the subject; I'd love to discuss various Atlantis sites. I don't believe in Atlantis but I do think Plato based his description at least partially on a real place.

KotA,
Here are a few conditions Atlantis sites must meet according to the author of this article. http://www.asalas.org/papers/Huebner...dence_full.pdf
I haven't read Plato's story so I don't yet know enough to agree or disagree with Michael Hubner. I do think Hubner takes a few artistic liberties, though.

Global Constraint → Atlantis should be located within a reasonable range from Athens.

Global Constraint → Atlantis should be located close to a sea or ocean.

Global Constraint → Atlantis should be located close to a sea/ocean, which is large in relation to the Mediterranean and connected by a strait with the Mediterranean.

Global Constraint → Atlantis should be located west of Tyrrhenia and Egypt.

Global Constraint → Atlantis should be located where elephants lived.

Global Constraint → Atlantis' main plain should be located close to and south of high mountains.

Global Constraint → Atlantis should not be located in ancient Europe or Asia.

Global Constraint → Atlantis should be located where elephants lived.

Regional Constraint → Atlantis should be located beyond the "Pillars of Heracles" at the "Atlantic" (Ocean).

Regional Constraint → Atlantis should be an island.

Regional Constraint → The main plain of Atlantis should be encircled by mountains.

Regional Constraint → There should be red, white, and black bedrock.

Regional Constraint → There should be docks cut into the native red, white and black bedrock.

Regional Constraint → There should have been buildings made from coloured stones.

Regional Constraint → There should have been "weaving" stone laying patterns.

Regional Constraint → There should have been northerly winds.

Regional Constraint → There should be shelter from northerly winds.

Regional Constraint → There should be varied ore/metal deposits.

Regional Constraint → There should have been earthquakes and hot and cold springs

Regional Constraint → There should have been horses.

Regional Constraint → There should streams from the mountains

Regional Constraint → There should be a trench parallel to the shore.

Regional Constraint → There should have been plants with fragrant roots.

Regional Constraint → There should be enough space and food for a large population.

Regional Constraint → There should have been a water supply providing year-round irrigation.

Regional Constraint → There should have been architecture which is integrated into the native rock of the coast.

Regional Constraint → There should have been diverse agricultural products.

Regional Constraint → The Atlanteans had blue clothes.

Regional Constraint → The Atlanteans sacrificed bulls.

Regional Constraint → Concentric circles may have had a religious/ magic connotation for the Atlanteans.

Regional Constraint → Odd/even numbers may have had a religious/ magic connotation for the Atlanteans.

Regional Constraint → There should be remains of large trenches.

Local Constraint → The capital city of Atlantis should be located at a distance of about 50 stades from the sea.

Local Constraint → The central hill of the capital of Atlantis should be low and/or gently inclined on all sides.

Local Constraint → The capital of Atlantis should be located in an annular structure.

Local Constraint → There should be three concentric rings of water and two of land (islands).

In the first paragraph- ".. filmmakers’ own ego-trips...," "...they portray a cast of lunatics, obsessives, and frauds are actually respected and careful scholars..."

Not the best foot to start out on as an honest review.

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I digress... "...Of course, Atlantis isn’t historical any more than The Walking Dead..." & "...By the time they are done, there is less connection between Plato’s Atlantis and the imagined original than between The Walking Dead and the nineteenth century Caribbean zombi that in a roundabout way inspired it..."

He was correct here- "The second hour of the documentary returns to Freund’s efforts around Gibraltar for some expensive underwater photography, and it pairs this effort with Montexano’s efforts to interpret petroglyphs of boats, spirals, and circles into evidence of Atlantis."...How does he refute?

"They are reading into shadows on the wall what they want to imagine the real world to be like. Needless to say, there is no reason to suspect that such common motifs as boats, circles, and spirals have anything to do with Atlantis."

In the first paragraph- ".. filmmakers’ own ego-trips...," "...they portray a cast of lunatics, obsessives, and frauds are actually respected and careful scholars..."

Not the best foot to start out on as an honest review.

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I digress... "...Of course, Atlantis isn’t historical any more than The Walking Dead..." & "...By the time they are done, there is less connection between Plato’s Atlantis and the imagined original than between The Walking Dead and the nineteenth century Caribbean zombi that in a roundabout way inspired it..."

He was correct here- "The second hour of the documentary returns to Freund’s efforts around Gibraltar for some expensive underwater photography, and it pairs this effort with Montexano’s efforts to interpret petroglyphs of boats, spirals, and circles into evidence of Atlantis."...How does he refute?

"They are reading into shadows on the wall what they want to imagine the real world to be like. Needless to say, there is no reason to suspect that such common motifs as boats, circles, and spirals have anything to do with Atlantis."

In the first paragraph- ".. filmmakers’ own ego-trips...," "...they portray a cast of lunatics, obsessives, and frauds are actually respected and careful scholars..."

Not the best foot to start out on as an honest review.

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I digress... "...Of course, Atlantis isn’t historical any more than The Walking Dead..." & "...By the time they are done, there is less connection between Plato’s Atlantis and the imagined original than between The Walking Dead and the nineteenth century Caribbean zombi that in a roundabout way inspired it..."

He was correct here- "The second hour of the documentary returns to Freund’s efforts around Gibraltar for some expensive underwater photography, and it pairs this effort with Montexano’s efforts to interpret petroglyphs of boats, spirals, and circles into evidence of Atlantis."...How does he refute?

"They are reading into shadows on the wall what they want to imagine the real world to be like. Needless to say, there is no reason to suspect that such common motifs as boats, circles, and spirals have anything to do with Atlantis."

My response to this review... 'It's crap.'

Which part of it is factually incorrect?

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"You've directed fiction, so you are no longer qualified to make documentaries."

*Seriously, that's NOT an argument against the findings presented here.

On the other hand, "you've never heard of James Cameron? He's responsible for "Avatar," the movie" is not a good argument in favour of them. I suspect that that was the point that fromdownunder was making.

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