I hear Tim Kaine likes to wear women's underwear, and his breath stinks. He also claims to be a Christian, and no doubt thinks the earth is only 6000 years old, almost as old as Hillary. Hillary's teeth alone have been carbon dated at 8000 years old, but Kaine simply scoffs as such science. Tim also believes that abortion is murder, but is OK with the Dim platform of murder on demand. In other words, Tim has no real conviction about right and wrong, a perfect fit for Hilldog.

When will left wingers like Hillary learn? There is no "middle" with conservatives and moderates who think abortion is murder. She would be better off picking some God hating left winger that the democrat party would love who wants the government to take over everything.

When conservatives draw a line in the sand, it is not like Obama drawing a line in the sand. We actually mean it. Some things are nonnegotiable and cannot be bought, unlike your average soulless politician.

Originally posted by whodeyWhen will left wingers like Hillary learn? There is no "middle" with conservatives and moderates who think abortion is murder. She would be better off picking some God hating left winger that the democrat party would love who wants the government to take over everything.

When conservatives draw a line in the sand, it is not like Obama drawing a line in t ...[text shortened]... t. Some things are nonnegotiable and cannot be bought, unlike your average soulless politician.

LMAO! No conservative REALLY thinks abortion is murder or you'd support life imprisonment or the death penalty for women who get one. But when Trump said that there should be some punishment, the anti-abortionists screamed. A real "line in the sand".

Originally posted by no1marauderLMAO! No conservative REALLY thinks abortion is murder or you'd support life imprisonment or the death penalty for women who get one. But when Trump said that there should be some punishment, the anti-abortionists screamed. A real "line in the sand".

So it's all BS.

Women who have abortions should be treated like this college student who killed her newborn and threw it in the garbage.

That is only common sense. Do you really believe that this girl who killed her baby should not face a penalty of some kind? If so, you are an morally vacuous idiot.

You do have a point though. When looking at abortion numbers a great many claim to be Christians and they no doubt vote for those who favor abortion. More than likely, these are people who are Christians in the loose sense of the word. They don't go to church and they don't know much about what they profess to believe.

In short, the hope for left wingers like you is to continue to assault Christian values and beliefs and secularize as many as you can. Then they will be the moral equivalent of Tim Kaine who can be bought off and who will serve his masters in government and corporate America.

That is only common sense. Do you really believe that this girl who killed her baby should not face a pe ...[text shortened]... Kaine who can be bought off and who will serve his masters in government and corporate America.

I've asked you many times IF a woman who got an abortion should face the criminal penalties for murder and you've always dodged the question. I see you have now adopted that position. I wish all conservatives would be so forthright and admit that if they get the chance, they will outlaw abortion and send women to prison or even to an execution chamber for having one to prove they are not "an morally vacuous idiot".

Tim Kaine says he adopts the Catholic position and morally opposes abortion. Unlike you, he does not favor making this country a theocracy by adopting into law a particular religious belief and enforcing it by criminal sanctions.

Originally posted by no1marauderI've asked you many times IF a woman who got an abortion should face the criminal penalties for murder and you've always dodged the question. I see you have now adopted that position. I wish all conservatives would be so forthright and admit that if they get the chance, they will outlaw abortion and send women to prison or even to an execution chamber fo ...[text shortened]... cracy by adopting into law a particular religious belief and enforcing it by criminal sanctions.

Right, so Kaine has adopted the position of the Catholic church that abortion is murder, yet continues to support it. So in essence, Kaine is sanctioning murder on demand because it is politically expedient for him to do so.

Correct?

Just to be clear, according to the Prog looney world, the college student who murdered her new born infant should be treated as a murderer, but if she had gotten to a Planned Parenthood clinic and snuffed it out hours before, it would have been OK.

Originally posted by whodeyRight, so Kaine has adopted the position of the Catholic church that abortion is murder, yet continues to support it. So in essence, Kaine is sanctioning murder on demand because it is politically expedient for him to do so.

Correct?

Just to be clear, according to the Prog looney world, the college student who murdered her new born infant should be ...[text shortened]... enthood clinic and snuffed it out hours before, it would have been OK.

What a sick bunch.

Of course your statement is untrue; third trimester abortions are forbidden except to preserve the women's life or health. But saying "whodey" and "untruth" is redundant on this board.

What Kaine is doing is what I said; not forcing his religious views to be adopted into the criminal law. That is only done in a theocracy, which you want to impose in the US.

Originally posted by no1marauderOf course your statement is untrue; third trimester abortions are forbidden except to preserve the women's life or health. But saying "whodey" and "untruth" is redundant on this board.

What Kaine is doing is what I said; not forcing his religious views to be adopted into the criminal law. That is only done in a theocracy, which you want to impose in the US.

Who said anything about it being legal? Just look at the scandals PP has been in. God only knows what goes on behind those closed doors.

It's like Dr. Gosnell. He was cited for health violations in the 1970's, but instead of making him comply or shutting him down they simply stopped investigating him, allowing him to kill viable babies and poor mothers who could not defend themselves legally, ususally meaning targeting black women.

As for the silly law that Hillary makes to be a joke, this is an interesting read.

1. Roe vs. Wade, the most famous abortion case, allowed no "restrictions" on abortion in the first two trimesters. For the third trimester, the states were allowed to make some restrictions -- as long as they allowed abortions for "health" reasons. The companion decision, Doe vs. Bolton, then defined health so broadly that really, anything could suffice:

[M]edical judgment may be exercised in the light of all factors - physical, emotional, psychological, familial, and the woman's age - relevant to the wellbeing of the patient. All these factors may relate to health.

I must point out at this point that prior to Roe and Doe, there was no such thing as a third trimester abortion. Abortion was, by definition, killing the fetus prior to viability. So post-viability abortions were not only invented but enshrined as a supposed Constitutional right.

And unless you define "health" so broadly as to include family concerns (which no doubt would include financial considerations), the whole idea of a post-viability "health" abortion is nonsensical on its face. If a pregnancy is endangering the mother's life or health, the standard of care has been to induce labor or perform a c-section, based on the woman's particular needs. With a c-section, the baby can be out of the womb and in the NICU within the hour, the pregnancy is over, and the mother can be cared for by medical professionals. It's nonsensical to say that it would preserve her "health" or her life to take additional steps to ensure that the fetus emerges dead.

The only logical reason to perform a post-viability abortion -- to stop during delivery to kill the baby -- is to achieve the death of the fetus, either for social reasons or because the baby has a disability of some sort.

Again, a "health" justification for a post-viability abortion is nonsensical, but because of Roe and Doe, the states must include them in order to pass Constitutional muster. Occasionally you'll see an old pre-Roe law still on the books that 's not enjoined, either because there are no abortionists in that state who want to perform late abortions, or because the law isn't being enforced so there's no point in going to court over it.

2. As the Abortion Law Homepage notes, after the Webster decidion in 1989 and the Planned Parenthood vs. Casey decision in 1992, the Supreme Court allowed states to put some regulations (such as waiting periods or informed consent) into place, and allowed the states to be a bit firmer about exactly what constituted "health". Still, no state can actually ban third trimester abortions, because if this "health" requirement in Doe.

If all else fails, Comey would say that the woman had no intent to kill her child and be let free.

Originally posted by whodeyAs for the silly law that Hillary makes to be a joke, this is an interesting read.

1. Roe vs. Wade, the most famous abortion case, allowed no "restrictions" on abortion in the first two trimesters. For the third trimester, the states were allowed to make some restrictions -- as long as they allowed abortions for "health" reasons. The companion decision, Do ...[text shortened]... all else fails, Comey would say that the woman had no intent to kill her child and be let free.

I don't know where you got this copy and paste but it is ludicrously wrong. It appears the author never even read Roe v. Wade. From the SCOTUS decision:

(a) For the stage prior to approximately the end of the first trimester, the abortion decision and its effectuation must be left to the medical judgment of the pregnant woman's attending physician.

(b) For the stage subsequent to approximately the end of the first trimester, the State, in promoting its interest in the health of the mother, may, if it chooses, regulate the abortion procedure in ways that are reasonably related to maternal health.

(c) For the stage subsequent to viability, the State in promoting its interest in the potentiality of human life [p165] may, if it chooses, regulate, and even proscribe, abortion except where it is necessary, in appropriate medical judgment, for the preservation of the life or health of the mother.

Less than 1% of abortions performed these days are third trimester ones but there are valid medical reasons for performing them. The assertion that they were NEVER performed before Roe and are NEVER necessary to preserve a woman's life or health is ridiculous ignorance.

Originally posted by whodeyWho said anything about it being legal? Just look at the scandals PP has been in. God only knows what goes on behind those closed doors.

It's like Dr. Gosnell. He was cited for health violations in the 1970's, but instead of making him comply or shutting him down they simply stopped investigating him, allowing him to kill viable babies and poor mothers ...[text shortened]... ho could not defend themselves legally, ususally meaning targeting black women.

No one cares.

More baloney.

Here's a woman who got 20 years in prison for self-aborting a 25 week fetus.http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/indiana-has-now-charged-two-asian-american-women-feticide-n332761

As long as anyone on either side of the aisle continues to insist abortion is a trigger/hot button topic, the folks in those seats on the Hill will be allowed to continue doing whatever the hell they want.
Whenever scrutiny is applied to their malfeasance, they simply crank up the ol' Victrola and lull the savages back to sleep.
If ANYONE truly thought they were killing PEOPLE when performing an abortion, there would be --- there SHOULD be --- war in the streets.
That there is nothing more than an occasional placard ding-a-ling sing-along-Kumbya or a fresh bumper sticker introduction tells you that, intuitively, we know it's not murder.

Originally posted by FreakyKBHAs long as anyone on either side of the aisle continues to insist abortion is a trigger/hot button topic, the folks in those seats on the Hill will be allowed to continue doing whatever the hell they want.
Whenever scrutiny is applied to their malfeasance, they simply crank up the ol' Victrola and lull the savages back to sleep.
If ANYONE truly thought ...[text shortened]... ion tells you that, intuitively, we know it's not murder.

Resume your raging debate, please.

Freaky: If ANYONE truly thought they were killing PEOPLE when performing an abortion, there would be --- there SHOULD be --- war in the streets.

I wholeheartedly agree which is why all this "murder" talk from the whodeys of the world is mere shilling.

Originally posted by no1marauderI don't know where you got this copy and paste but it is ludicrously wrong. It appears the author never even read Roe v. Wade. From the SCOTUS decision:

(a) For the stage prior to approximately the end of the first trimester, the abortion decision and its effectuation must be left to the medical judgment of the pregnant woman's attending physic ...[text shortened]... Roe and are NEVER necessary to preserve a woman's life or health is ridiculous ignorance.

Right, leave it up to doctors discretion like Gosnell who are never held accountable or ever monitored in regards to how the practice medicine.