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Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist

Is American "democracy" for sale?
To get elected to this country it seems like you have to be rich and get on hands a knees to beg the rich for some cash if you want to win in this country. Nearly half of our member of congress are millionaires and they spend anywhere from 30-70% of their job just fundraising. In 2008 the presidential candidates spent over $1.3 billion which is a new record. The election cycle in 2008 cost more than $5 billion! We spent $17 per capita for our last big elections. Now we have SUPER PAC that can basically do whatever they want as long as they "have no connection to the candidate" where they can spend unlimited amount of money.

My question is, "Is the USA basically a democracy for sale"?

Where ya been dem...its always been who has the most cash wins, for the most part....it has taken a disgusting turn for the worst lately...
The rich and privledged Teaparty types are buying this election....romney bought the primary with gadzillions in attack ads...

Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist

Is American "democracy" for sale?
To get elected to this country it seems like you have to be rich and get on hands a knees to beg the rich for some cash if you want to win in this country. Nearly half of our member of congress are millionaires and they spend anywhere from 30-70% of their job just fundraising. In 2008 the presidential candidates spent over $1.3 billion which is a new record. The election cycle in 2008 cost more than $5 billion! We spent $17 per capita for our last big elections. Now we have SUPER PAC that can basically do whatever they want as long as they "have no connection to the candidate" where they can spend unlimited amount of money.

My question is, "Is the USA basically a democracy for sale"?

We are not a democracy.

"He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
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Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

Originally Posted by lpast

Where ya been dem...its always been who has the most cash wins, for the most part....it has taken a disgusting turn for the worst lately...
The rich and privledged Teaparty types are buying this election....romney bought the primary with gadzillions in attack ads...

That makes very little sense, as the TP did not support Romney in any primary that I am aware of. They may have to now, as the only other choice is Obama. The TP is no more 'radical' than the labor unions, many of which are directly supported with tax dollars. Obama has more attack ads than Romney as Obama can not run on his 'accomplishments' and expect to win.

“The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

Originally Posted by ttwtt78640

That makes very little sense, as the TP did not support Romney in any primary that I am aware of. They may have to now, as the only other choice is Obama. The TP is no more 'radical' than the labor unions, many of which are directly supported with tax dollars. Obama has more attack ads than Romney as Obama can not run on his 'accomplishments' and expect to win.

Tea Party or Labor Unions, two wrongs do not make a right? I do not find much comfort in knowing that the Tea Party is a radical answer to other radicals.

Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

Originally Posted by Krasche

And The Dems do? Like I said, our government as a whole is inept. You can't put the blame soley on one side.

The Dems have a history of productivity for this country beginning with Andrew Jackson who reduced the deficit and signed a high tariff to protect our nations trade. All the way up through FDR, Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, Clinton and now Obama, the Dmocratic platform has been consistently egalitarian. The last Republican who ass worth his weight in gold was Eisenhower. Since his presidency the Republicans have done nothing but damage this country rip the middle class limb from limb to improve the profit margin.

The Republicans have done zerofor this country.

“The people do not want virtue; but they are the dupes of pretended patriots” : Elbridge Gerry of Mass; Constitutional Convention 1787

Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll

Yet here we are talking about it?

True, but this site isn't representative of the aggregate. Many people who frequent political debate boards such as DP tend to be more active and informed than the general populace. As such, it is much more likely that issues quickly forgotten by the media or press are continually discussed and debated here.

In the Presidential debate between Bush and Kerry, there was a debate held in Arizona. Outside this presidential debate, two presidential candidate, David Cobb and Michael Badnarik were arrested, handcuffed, and taken to jail for attempting to enter the presidential debates. Limited reporting, didn't make many national news networks. Yet I talk about it, I've known others that talk about it. Does that mean that there is a large public consciousness on the subject? Did either of the national parties feel backlash? Did anyone in control get "hurt"? No. Ergo, just because we discuss something here on DP does not mean that it is represented as such on the aggregate populace.

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Re: Is American Democracy For Sale?

Originally Posted by Ikari

True, but this site isn't representative of the aggregate. Many people who frequent political debate boards such as DP tend to be more active and informed than the general populace. As such, it is much more likely that issues quickly forgotten by the media or press are continually discussed and debated here.

In the Presidential debate between Bush and Kerry, there was a debate held in Arizona. Outside this presidential debate, two presidential candidate, David Cobb and Michael Badnarik were arrested, handcuffed, and taken to jail for attempting to enter the presidential debates. Limited reporting, didn't make many national news networks. Yet I talk about it, I've known others that talk about it. Does that mean that there is a large public consciousness on the subject? Did either of the national parties feel backlash? Did anyone in control get "hurt"? No. Ergo, just because we discuss something here on DP does not mean that it is represented as such on the aggregate populace.

Isnt it pointless though since most people do not care about politics? And who cares about some stunt that two radicals engineered but failed to produce the fame intended?

The people that watch Fox also are not disinterested in politics, because hey who in their right mind would watch Fox in the first place? Seriously you have to really want to watch a certain type of news coverage to tune into Foxnews. I haven't checked but my guess is that Fox tried to paint a rosy picture of Murdoch. I really wouldnt expect anything else really. But what difference does it really make when most Republicans get their indoctrination in church on Sundays?

There are people that wont even watch the news much less pay attention to what is on it. They find all of this too boring. Besides who watches the news anymore exclusively anyways?