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Tatsumi Oga

Does he really need an introductory post? We can summarize by saying, Oga probably one of the most delinquent Shounen hero.Anyway, we can use this thread to have more in-depth discussion about Oga and his quest to raise Beelzebub...to destroy the planet

Re: Tatsumi Oga

Originally Posted by thornofcarrion

Does he really need an introductory post? We can summarize by saying, Oga probably one of the most delinquent Shounen hero.Anyway, we can use this thread to have more in-depth discussion about Oga and his quest to raise Beelzebub...to destroy the planet

Re: Tatsumi Oga

Haha, indeed. I loved his attitude, mindlessly jumping into fights. Ironic isn't it, seeing a delinquent as he is, carrying a nude baby on his shoulder / head. Which one of his battle was most interesting for you guys so far?

Re: Tatsumi Oga

Translations of Oga's profile:

Originally Posted by Black Hawk

Tatsumi Oga (15)

• Height: 5 feet 10,4 inches
• Born on 31 of August
• He like:
Command other person, to get on the knees
Korokke
• He Hate:
Long Talking
• Since the Middleschool Oga get called, Oga the Demon Ogre. Furichi give him that
name, I think.
• First of all, I want to add the Kanji word Man/Manhood in the family name.
Later my Editor Ask me. Is there any potential relationships, about the three
different kanji Words in his family name. After that, when I remember right I got that
picture in my Head.

Originally Posted by Kaluein

Character profiles

Tatsumi Oga (15) - 1m79 - Born on August, 31st
Likes : People apologizing and kneeling, potato cakes (I can't find the right word)
Dislikes : Endless stories
Author's comments : In middle school, he was given nicknames like "the demon" or "Oga the Demon Ogre", but they were mainly created by Furuichi. I think I wanted a name with the man's ideogram (Oga's "o"). Then, I remember that my editor asked me if I added in purpose animals ideograms ("ga" = deer, "tatsu" = dragoon, "mi" = snake). "Huh? That's right..." I replied.

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I love how Oga really hasn't given any shonen speeches so far....and now I know why. xD (he hates long stories...)

So far Oga's dismotivation to do anything other than survive is a pretty unique trait in this kind of manga. I love how he's realizing he wants to be Beel's dad, but also owning up to the fact that its going to be hard to prevent the destruction of the world in the process.

I think its cool that the mangaka thought a lot on how to make Oga's name sound as manly as possible. Though I'm not entirely sure how threatening "deer" is suppose to be?

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I think its cool that the mangaka thought a lot on how to make Oga's name sound as manly as possible. Though I'm not entirely sure how threatening "deer" is suppose to be?

I read it somewhere that Tamura wanted to potrait Oga as a dragon (竜 / Ryuu) and Toujou as a tiger taking "Tora"(虎) from Hidetora.
What's funny is like you said, "巳" (mi/shi)in Oga's name means "Snake" and "鹿" (shika) means "Deer". I wonder where's the "dragon" part of his name

Edit : My bad. Tatsumi could be "dragon" too I feel stupid because I didn't read the post above.

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Probably I'm biased, but I don't understand why recently readers tend to... underestimate Oga's power.
I read comments from everywhere, saying that Oga's power without baby Beel is "ordinary". I think that is an understatement. Toujou might be more "beast"-like (or probably stronger) than Oga, but come on, Oga defeated Toujou, without Beel's power. Saying that his "basic" power not special I believe, is unfair.

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Edit : My bad. Tatsumi could be "dragon" too I feel stupid because I didn't read the post above.

I was going to add "doesn't Tatsu mean dragon" but you figured it out yourself. xD Tatsuki from Bleach is a girl with the word "dragon" in her name, so I've always remembered that.

Originally Posted by Doraku

Probably I'm biased, but I don't understand why recently readers tend to... underestimate Oga's power.
I read comments from everywhere, saying that Oga's power without baby Beel is "ordinary". I think that is an understatement. Toujou might be more "beast"-like (or probably stronger) than Oga, but come on, Oga defeated Toujou, without Beel's power. Saying that his "basic" power not special I believe, is unfair.

Beelzebub is never going to be about power-levels and breaking the limit, so I can understand why people would say that Oga's power is "ordinary". But comparing it to Toujou IS really unfair, mainly because its a classic favoritism trap we all do when we read manga: we think the minor characters are more interesting, mainly because we know less about them than the main characters.

I think the main difference in Oga and Toujou's strenth has to do more with accountibility and responsibility than actual strength. Since Oga's mastered Black Techs, he knows how much more powerful he is than the average mook. He also has Beel to look out for, as well as Furuichi and more recently, Hilda. Essentially, Oga's become a family man. xD While Toujou's personal life is very unstable (has to get temp jobs, never had a family), he is responsible only for himself. And I think the strength you can afford to show off is directly proportionate to how much you're willing to lose.

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I was going to add "doesn't Tatsu mean dragon" but you figured it out yourself. xD Tatsuki from Bleach is a girl with the word "dragon" in her name, so I've always remembered that.

Beelzebub is never going to be about power-levels and breaking the limit, so I can understand why people would say that Oga's power is "ordinary". But comparing it to Toujou IS really unfair, mainly because its a classic favoritism trap we all do when we read manga: we think the minor characters are more interesting, mainly because we know less about them than the main characters.

I think the main difference in Oga and Toujou's strenth has to do more with accountibility and responsibility than actual strength. Since Oga's mastered Black Techs, he knows how much more powerful he is than the average mook. He also has Beel to look out for, as well as Furuichi and more recently, Hilda. Essentially, Oga's become a family man. xD While Toujou's personal life is very unstable (has to get temp jobs, never had a family), he is responsible only for himself. And I think the strength you can afford to show off is directly proportionate to how much you're willing to lose.

I forgot that "竜" does not only mean "ryuu", but also "tatsu","ryou","rou" or,"ise" (Besides dragon, "tatsu" can be translated as "imperial","fear" or even "intelligent" WHAAAT?). I had to look to Kanji dictionary before I realized my mistake and knew it has already explained in the post above

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That's true. Oga and Toujou have different personalities, while one of them has serious ambition to become stronger than the others, the other has ambition to get stronger only if he wants to protect something (typical shounen cliché protagonist personality ). I agree with minor characters favoritism too, since what I'm insinuating is not only "power" per se, but also Oga's "charm" as the main character in this series is gradually fading away (concluding from comments across the internet, so my opinion is not reliable).

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Originally Posted by Doraku

I forgot that "竜" does not only mean "ryuu", but also "tatsu","ryou","rou" or,"ise" (Besides dragon, "tatsu" can be translated as "imperial","fear" or even "intelligent" WHAAAT?). I had to look to Kanji dictionary before I realized my mistake and knew it has already explained in the post above

Oh so you can understand Kanji? That's awesome. If you don't mind, could you help decipher other characters' names? I dunno how being intelligent fits in with Oga's personality, but he is wise at times. Like when he helped Kanzaki with Futaba's rowdiness, or when he told En off. Its not really intelligence but its a kind of sensitivity a lot of heroes possess.

Originally Posted by Doraku

That's true. Oga and Toujou have different personalities, while one of them has serious ambition to become stronger than the others, the other has ambition to get stronger only if he wants to protect something (typical shounen cliché protagonist personality ). I agree with minor characters favoritism too, since what I'm insinuating is not only "power" per se, but also Oga's "charm" as the main character in this series is gradually fading away (concluding from comments across the internet, so my opinion is not reliable).

I think ambition is too strong of a word, or at least, its for a more serious manga.

So do you think Oga's charm has decreased for you? I think part of the problem is that he hasn't had a break to do whatever he really wants, for a long while. But still, Oga's dismotivation to do anything (unless its right in front of him) is part of his charm, at least for me. He's a total goofball, and his inability to give a shit to people's pretentions actually make him less cliche, to me anyhow.

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Originally Posted by Teeba

So do you think Oga's charm has decreased for you? I think part of the problem is that he hasn't had a break to do whatever he really wants, for a long while. But still, Oga's dismotivation to do anything (unless its right in front of him) is part of his charm, at least for me. He's a total goofball, and his inability to give a shit to people's pretentions actually make him less cliche, to me anyhow.

Not for me, but for some of the readers. Honestly why Beelzebub is interesting (for me) is because of Oga (and Beel). Oga as a character is already attractive enough as the reason why I keep reading Beelzebub week after week.

But apparently his carefree attitude or as you wrote "hasn't had a break to do whatever he really wants, for a long while" is also the reason why some readers (although unconsciously or not blatantly express their opinion) are not really enthusiastic anymore with him. Toujou is a beast, Himekawa is a rich bishounen, Kanzaki is a Yakuza boss's son, Aoi is a tsundere girl, but Oga is... "just" Oga. Well, of course for me a parent figure for a future demon king is already interesting enough, but maybe some people see Oga is not glittering enough to be the main protagonist.

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Originally Posted by Doraku

Not for me, but for some of the readers. Honestly why Beelzebub is interesting (for me) is because of Oga (and Beel). Oga as a character is already attractive enough as the reason why I keep reading Beelzebub week after week.

But apparently his carefree attitude or as you wrote "hasn't had a break to do whatever he really wants, for a long while" is also the reason why some readers (although unconsciously or not blatantly express their opinion) are not really enthusiastic anymore with him. Toujou is a beast, Himekawa is a rich bishounen, Kanzaki is a Yakuza boss's son, Aoi is a tsundere girl, but Oga is... "just" Oga. Well, of course for me a parent figure for a future demon king is already interesting enough, but maybe some people see Oga is not glittering enough to be the main protagonist.

I guess people have their preferences...though I know if I can't like the main protagonist, it greatly reduces the thrill I get from reading it. There are always people who are going to complain about things like that, but I always like to think they are in the minority.

Actually, one of the things I flat out love about Oga is how he lives his life despite all the stuff that's happened to him, fatherhood and all. If this was a serious manga, maybe Oga would be more concerned with who Baby Beel's next threat will be. At worst he might want to become strong enough to raise a coup to take out the demon king so that the threat against humanity tides over for another odd millenia. That would be boring for me, and I'm glad instead Oga lives his life on a day to day basis. That is the mark of a true father, to me anyhow.

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Teacher is fine, but he can't be royal advisor to Beel until Beel ascends the throne, can he?

I read a fic where Oga works as a security guard after high school in order to save money for Beel, that seems more up Oga's alley. I can't...I mean, the pay would obviously be decent as a teacher, but Oga isn't really Onizuka. His circle of responsibility only seems to extend as far as Beel, Hilda, and Furuichi, but its not really the same as being a teacher.

Then again, considering how Oga is supposed to mimick Saotome's youth, being a teacher would probably continue the gag. You know what would be really funny? If Furuichi ended up being the bread winner for both Oga and Hilda.