So I was watching ToryMagoo's latest video and she used the term Black Dianetics. Does anyone know what Black Dianetics is and how it's different from regular Dianetics? Isn't all Dianetics black? I don't understand it.

Death, insanity, aberration, or merely a slavish obedience can be efficiently effected by the use of Black Dianetics. Further, adequate laws do not exist at this time to bar the use of these techniques. The law provides that only the individual so wronged can make complaint or swear out a warrant for offenders using these techniques.

A person on whom Black Dianetics has been employed seldom retains the sanity or will to make a complaint, or does not know he has been victimized, in addition, persons claiming such offenses against their persons are commonly catalogued by doctors as suffering from delusion. Thus the employer of Black Dianetics can escape unpunished under existing legal procedures.

number 6 wrote:So I was watching ToryMagoo's latest video and she used the term Black Dianetics. Does anyone know what Black Dianetics is and how it's different from regular Dianetics? Isn't all Dianetics black? I don't understand it.

The term "Black Dianetics" has been used whereas "Black Scientology" is less likely to be seen -- but it means the same thing. To use Scientology or Dianetics on destructive-to-Scientology persons and groups to the advancement or benefit of Scientology.

Most "sec checks" are Black Dianetics in my opinion. The use of Scientology "ethics and justice actions" to the detriment of the individual (cave him in; break his spirit) for the purpose of gaining for Scientology either one more heavily indoctrinated cult member OR for gaining one less critic/enemy... THAT is Black Dianetics.

I have been the recipient of at least one auditing program of Black Dianetics. It took me years to get over it, which I did before I got out of the cult. They tried it again with me later, but missed. I didn't fall for their crap the second time.

We are the architects of our own lives. Design and build the life you want.

number 6 wrote:So I was watching ToryMagoo's latest video and she used the term Black Dianetics. Does anyone know what Black Dianetics is and how it's different from regular Dianetics? Isn't all Dianetics black? I don't understand it.

First off, Number 6---why did you post my video over on enturbulation?
I actually had deleted it, as someone asked me to, pointing out it would
just cause more trouble. I did, as I agreed, Then I go over to Enturb--and
see YOU posted it there: DOH!

Ok, Secondly, this term was mentioned to me by an Anonymous person,
telling ME That is what this other guy thinks x-scios are running on anonymous. Too funny, truly.

What is it? I never had heard of it until I left Scientology.
Dianetics is supposed to make people feel better.
So Black Dianetics basically makes you feel worse.

How it's run? I have no idea----I've been told some possibilities-
and they may be it, I don't really know. I know IF I knew how,
I wouldn't, as that's not what I want to do.
I might get pissed at someone, but that ISN'T "Black Dianetics".

Ya can't run a standard on one end, and not pick it up on the other.
(IE: We can yell at you, but if you yell at us, that's "Black Dianetics")
No---no one said that, but it's all I can imagine as NO ONE Has given
a specific example---just this HUGE Generality that supposedly
The one Anon believes.

Black Dianetics, Black Scientology, Reverse Processing, Creative Processing, IMO are the four terms that cloak dianetcis/scientology of what it actually is.
Nothing short of psychopolitics that hubbard came up with in his goal to leave his mark on Humanity. The Brainwashing Manual hubbard wrote is a blueprint

Hubbard hid the real/TRUE nature of Dianetics/Scientology in plain site.

LRH-PDC Lecture 20 wrote:
[SNIP]
We could say all sorts of things about logic. We could say a tot
about mathematics. But we could spend our time a little bit better elsewise.

let's take the subject of Scientology and let's see if there's any
logic involved with it at all. There isn't a mathematics that can embrace the
subject of Scientology, because it is an invented mathemat1cs. It's an
invented mathematics that accepts gradient scales and "absolutes are
unobtainable". And it is a method of thinking about things. And is just as
true as it is workable. And no truer. And is not, in itself, an arbitrary,
fascistic uh.. police force to make sure that we all think right thoughts.
It's a servant of the mind, a servo-mechanism of the mind, it is not a master
of the mind. Scientology will decline, and become useless to man, on the day
when it becomes the master of thinking. Don't think it won't do that. It has
every capability in it of doing that.

Contained in the knowable, workable portions before your eyes there
are methods of controlling human beings and thetans which have never before
been dreamed of in this universe. Control mechanism of such awesome and solid
proportions that if the remedies were not so much easier to apply, one would
be appalled at the dangerousness to beingness that exists in Scientology.

Fortunately, it was intelligently invented, and I say that without
any possible bow; I say that because part of its logic was: the remedy should
exist before the bullet. And that is just an arbitrary. There really is no
reason for that, except for this: when you invent the bullet before the
remedy, you have to invent the remedy under duress. It's very hard to kneel
alongside of a patient who is suffering from a super radioactive burn, and
try to figure out in that moment what is radioactivity and how does it affect
the human flesh. That's not the time to figure the remedy. The time to figure
the remedy is before the bullet.

[SNIP]

But what kind of a government and what kind of a weapon is really
serious? Not a weapon which destroys mud. A weapon that destroys minds,
that's serious. Out of the body of knowledge which lies before you a
sufficent technology is to take over, seize and handle any government or
people on the face of the Earth. You aren't of an ethical level, even, that
permits you to observe this. You wouldn't think in these lines. And yet if
only those principles were known, there would be people who could and would
think in those lines.

You can control men like you would control robots with those
techniques. The implantation, black Dianetics, pain-drug-hypnosis are very
mild methods of control. Do you know that the Sufi Mohammedan cult under
Hashshashin controlled Europe for 300 years with the rather thin gadget of
throwing hashish into some young man, suddenly making him appear, wake up in
a beautiful garden where there were forty black-eyed houries to serve his
every desire, where there were rivers of milk and honey - real milk and
honey, rivers and fountains. And he could stay there for about three or four
days, and then he would suddenly be told, "Now you have had your taste of
paradise. In order to return to paradise it is necessary for you to return
down to earth and carry out the commands of this order." And this young man
would then find himself suddenly in the middle of some large town, and he
would know that all he had to do was to walk up and kill the sultan of that
town, and if he himself were killed in the same act, he would immediately
appear in the garden of paradise. Hence the Assassins, and the Assassins
controlled practically every breath Europe took for almost 300 years. How
simple it was.

[SNIP]

That was an unlimited weapon. But it was a weapon effected through
using phenomena of the mind. If you release the remedy, and if the remedy is
fast enough before the forces of evil can muster their machinations and use
the overt act, it can't ever be used. There is only one thing that could
happen to Scientology, and that is to say that it would be buried. The remedy
would be buried. If it ever went out of sight, this world's done. All you've
got to do is invalidate it and put it out of sight and hide it, and it'll
come up in the wrong place doing the wrong thing, and mankind will find
itself a slave.

So anybody that knows the remedy of this subject, anybody that knows
these techniques, is himself actually under a certain responsibility - that's
to make sure that he doesn't remain a sole proprietor. That's all it takes,
just don't remain a sole proprietor. Don't ever think that a monopoly of this
subject is a safe thing to have. It's not safe. It's not safe for man; it's
not safe for this universe.

This universe has long been looking for new ways to make slaves.
Well, we've got some new ways to make slaves here. Let's see that none are
made.

Now it's fortunate that we are able to make Clears as fast as we can
make them. It's very, very fortunate. Because black Dianetics, as most
destructive things work in this universe, could work a lot faster than the
old-time techniques - work really fast. Nowadays - get this - you can use
creative processing; the process of using mock-ups will flip out a PDH
without ever touching it or addressing it. Isn't that fascinating. You can
knock a PDH to pieces with fifteen minutes of processing. And it takes longer
than that to put one in.

"If anyone talks about a "road to Freedom" he is talking about a linear line. This, then, must have boundaries. If there are boundaries there is no freedom." - Dianetics 55

I searched for anything the old man LRH said about Black Dianetics, but to no avail. And as for that video, it's gone, and so is the thread I started on Enturb. I was wrong to do so because sure enough, it started another s*** storm again. It's locked now.

I think all Dianetics is "black". When it makes someone feel better, it's hypnotism and nothing more than a mild mindf***. When it's used during sec checks, it's a total mindf***, raping of the mind.

LRH-PDC Lecture 20 wrote:
[SNIP]
Do you know that the Sufi Mohammedan cult under
Hashshashin controlled Europe for 300 years...

<off-topic rant>
LRH's account of "history" here is very bogus. While some of what he said was once believed to have been true, other statements wouldn't have ever passed muster, e.g., the Hashshashin never assassinated anyone outside of the Middle East. They had no influence on any Europeans who weren't on crusade. More here.

Just a friendly reminder to never accept anything LRH says, on any topic, without scrutiny.
</off-topic rant>

number 6 wrote:So I was watching ToryMagoo's latest video and she used the term Black Dianetics. Does anyone know what Black Dianetics is and how it's different from regular Dianetics? Isn't all Dianetics black? I don't understand it.

*I* ONLY Used the term "Black Dianetics" BECAUSE
A Friend of the person I was speaking about TOLD ME
HE (NOT ME------------*HE* , The Anonymous person)
BELIEVED IT TO BE TRUE.

Was he just me? People can say so now, I know the guy---
I laughed too, at first, and thought he was joking. HE (The Anon
person who told me about this) SAID he promised he was NOT
Joking. (Edit: I called him today, Wednesday, and he said he was
NOT trolling me, kidding me, that IS what the other Anon believes)

So this term ..........was brought up by 2 Anonymous people.
And that's why I mentioned it. IF it was "Just a troll"----it was
that and Ok. Done. (It was not---by either one, re Black Dianetics)

IF any Anons honestly believe x-Scios are purposely running shit
on them they don't know (Which my understanding is that IS how black Dianetics works)----that's nutty, and not true.
Bottom line: Show me some evidence of this.

I used to put on Dianetic, Book one, seminars---so I don't believe
"ALL DIANETICS IS BLACK DIANETICS" as someone posted.
It just isn't....that isn't true. It's more like "Talk therapy"---and some
people feel better, some *think* they're VERY much better. SO?
That isn't bad. The CON Is what's bad. They Entire Dianetic Con
of "Clear"_____________That I agree IS by itself Black, and
Sold, and Not true.

As Jason said: SHOW ME A MOTHERFUCKING CLEAR!

End of story.

My best

Tory/Magoo~~~

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I think it just means Black antiquated Hubbardian psychotherapy from the 50's.

Dianetics can be harmful if used on anyone who has had some actual trauma in their lives. It could send them into a full blown mental breakdown. So Dianetics itself, can become "Black" in certain instances. Any psychotherapy can be "black" and that's why this field gets regulated by the law nowadays in an effort to prevent ignorant individuals from screwing up someone's mind. Plus all professional licenses therapists have malpractise insurance so if you get distraught and life falls apart and you lose your job or whatever, you can sue and get money to support you and help fix you up. Would Scientology ever get any kind of malpractice insurance? What would they call it? "out tech" insurance?

Modern research about how to deal with actual trauma victims is that it makes people worse to have to recount their trauma over and over again. What helps is working on and learning how to create positive thoughts and feelings. There is the great tape series by someone named Belaruth Napster who did work with helping Vietnam vets recover.

There is an article that I read, called "Putting on the Breaks" and it is about councelling trauma victims who are functional in life. Many people who have suffered trauma are able to seperate themselves from the occurance. It is AS IF they have forgotten and buried it, but they haven't really. They have just managed to section it off in their minds somehow and function with the seprated mental energy.

They can function this way, but over time, they get "triggered" and things in the present moment pull forth more and more of the traumatic experience to mind -- eventually it could engulf them and they can have a very belated break down.

Now psychotherapists know this and they know that their goal is to keep the person functional and to help them to deal with the trauma without locking up all their present mental energy, or "attention units" as LRh would call them, into the past trauma again. So they tread lightly, a little bit at a time. They teach the person positive thinking skills and how to deal with stress and get the person even more stable, then they can attempt to dive in and talk about the past. If the person appears to get aggitated or upset or uncomfortable, they back off. They say, that's enough... it's called "putting on the brakes" Plus the person has a right to get up and walk out if they need to. They can simply say I don't wanna talk about this and they can change to another subject of lesser distress perhaps. They learn to use this in life, if some situation is too much for them, they learn to know when to call it quits for their own protection.

From reading some of the quotes pasted on this chain about LRH's concept of "Black Dianetics" -- it seemed like he was talking ABOUT it and purposefully not explaining exactly what it was. He said he had ways to UNDO IT and that was what he was SELLING. He was creating a fear of something, so he could SELL the solution to that FEAR, his most wonderful "Creative Processes" from the 50's.

There was no secret little Book about "Black Dianetics", it was just some fucked up processing ---like Taking someone and auditing them and getting that person into kind of a hypnotic trusting and obeying state and then telling them something abberative to them, a wrong indication, an instruction -- whatever. It wasn't anything particularly fancy that I am aware of, it was mostly abuse of the Auditors Code and other things.

My friend (the Kathryn story) had Black Dianetics which threw her for a loop de loop, she was getting "counseling help" from OSA . It was to "help" her overcome her feelings of guilt and doubt about being and OSA SPY and wanting out. The auditor saw fit to completely violate the trust of the PC by screaming at her and telling her to adopt the moral code of the Office of Special Affairs which was "IT IS OK TO COMMIT OVERT ACTS ON SUPPRESSIVES BECAUSE THEY ARE SUPPRESSIVES" and it was "OK TO DISCLOSE ANYTHING YOU WERE TOLD BY ANYONE ELSE TO OSA, NO MATTER WHO IT WAS -- FRIEND OR NOT" OSA was trying to get Kathryn to tell OSA all about people who she was friends with. Some of these people were actually, at the time still in Scientology and in good standing. They weren't just trying to get dirt on Kathryn, they were trying to get dirt on a bunch of other people in her life. Trying to get THEIR "witholds". Kathryn had a total mental breakdown.

Having someone you've been taught to trust for years and years and you've built up into the most important job of Scientology, "The auditor" commit such a heinous act was shocking, especially knowing that the whole thing was being videod and watched and so others were in on it.At this moment, all of Scientology became BLACK to Kathryn.

Now I had this happen to me too once. I was getting some "auditing" from Heidi Stahli, out at Gold in 1996 (and I have no idea why she did this, because I actually liked her as an auditor for the most part up until this point in time) , in the middle of the session -- she got this really stern and cold look on her face and she told me, not a shout, but a slightly stronger tone of voice as if scolding me like a child, "IT IS A MOTIVATOR TO GET PULLED INTO A BODY, MEAT BODIES ARE TRAPS, now what was the OVERT?"

I had been relating how I'd picked up my body and I was telling it to her like I'd EARNED it, like I had earned my new body and I was proud of it. I had had this sense of pride that I had gotten such a cool body this lifetime. It's cute, it can eat anything without gaining weight, it can build muscle easily and is very strong, it has great stamina when needed, it hardly ever zits and ..... I mean I thought, I had scored high this life time in the body department.... but Heidi could not deal with this attitude... so she had to let me know about it... in a very stern and cold way as if punishing a child who should know better.

In fact, now that I think about it, that was probably one of the key factors behind why I ended up having to get my second Introspection Rundown. I tried to look at getting this body as a "MOTIVATOR" and I tried to look at OVERTS before it happened and it was like trying to jam a car into first gear out of fifth gear. Mental functionality came clashing down hard. I began obsessively thinking about my case and overt and motivators switched around backwards and I began losing more and more touch with reality.

Now there was something else Heidi did which also threw me for a spin and I again, don't know why she did this. Those Ex SCN OTs might understand this more, it's not going to make much sense to others probably:

In my past, I had been lucky in that I had been able to talk with different auditors and explain that sometimes when the e-meter read, it wasn't MY read. Like if I read on ARC break? I could say, it's not mine, it's my feet. The cells in my feet are upset. Or it's my genetic mind, because this is something that happened to my Mom before I was born... stuff like that. I'd gotten humored a couple of NOTS trained auditors. They would accept that it wasn't my read and they'd help me to assess the ARC break that the cells of my feet had, or they'd indiciate that the read indeed was something that had happened to my Mom before me. But other auditors, not NOTs would not humor me. I did not know why. It angered me, because we'd spend hours trying to handle a "read" that I was insisting wasn't mine.

So, I had Heidi this day and I knew she was a NOTs auditor and I figured that she would humor me like the other ones did. She did not. When I said, "Hey this read is not my e-meter read" She said sternly, WELL I'M TALKING TO YOU. WE ARE HERE IN THIS ROOM AND I'M DIRECTING MY QUESTIONS AT YOU. SO YOU NEED TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. NOW TELL ME WHAT YOU THOUGHT OF WHEN I ASKED THAT QUESTION.

AND THAT WAS JUST NUTS BECAUSE IF I COUDLN'T SORT OUT AND SORT THROUGH WHAT THOUGHTS AND IMAGES THAT POPPED INTO MY HEAD WHILE HOLDING THOSE STUPID E-METER CANS, THEN WHAT WAS THE POINT? I MEAN, I'D HAVE THE E-METER TELLING ME WHO I WAS AND WHAT MY THOUGHTS WERE. It's like letting a Ouija board control your thoughts and life....

I tried to tell Heidi, "you know I know about other thetans and shit, so you can't sit there and tell me that my reads are just mine and I'm the only one that is reading on that meter" She didn't even acknowledge me, she just repeated loudly I AM TALKING TO YOU, YOU NEED TO ANSWER THE QUESTION with this harsh stern and cold glare towards me. Maybe it was her "Tone 40" commanding tone, whatever....

I found it unsettling. It was the first time someone had ordered me to think a certain way in my session. First time someone had taken me in my most trusting and vulnerable state of "in session" and commanded me in such a fashion. I did not like it. If someone wanted to correct what I thought about my e-meter reads, then they could get me to read something after the sesion was over and have a friendly discussion about it, not boss me around like that. So to me, I felt this was Black Dianetics.

I believe also that Stephen Fishman talks about Black Dianetics being used on him in his story The lonesome Squirrel ie. he gives some examples of it as well and how it influenced him.

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Hope this helps in some way anyone trying to understand "Black Dianetics" It's both ignorant use of Dianetics and abusive use of Dianetics.

Twin A wrote:
Now there was something else Heidi did which also threw me for a spin and I again, don't know why she did this. Those Ex SCN OTs might understand this more, it's not going to make much sense to others probably:

In my past, I had been lucky in that I had been able to talk with different auditors and explain that sometimes when the e-meter read, it wasn't MY read... It angered me, because we'd spend hours trying to handle a "read" that I was insisting wasn't mine... When I said, "Hey this read is not my e-meter read" She said sternly, WELL I'M TALKING TO YOU. WE ARE HERE IN THIS ROOM AND I'M DIRECTING MY QUESTIONS AT YOU. SO YOU NEED TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. NOW TELL ME WHAT YOU THOUGHT OF WHEN I ASKED THAT QUESTION.

AND THAT WAS JUST NUTS BECAUSE IF I COUDLN'T SORT OUT AND SORT THROUGH WHAT THOUGHTS AND IMAGES THAT POPPED INTO MY HEAD WHILE HOLDING THOSE STUPID E-METER CANS, THEN WHAT WAS THE POINT? I MEAN, I'D HAVE THE E-METER TELLING ME WHO I WAS AND WHAT MY THOUGHTS WERE. It's like letting a Ouija board control your thoughts and life....

Welcome to the world of scientologists who are below OT III and know nothing about body thetans. It IS kind of like letting a Ouija board control things, but it's what most PCs have to put up with.

As for why the change, I don't really know... the C/S might have felt that you were trying to avoid something in session, or that auditor might have. Somebody did, apparently, although any real understanding of the situation is locked away in your PC folders. The only thing I feel like I can say without speculating is: I don't think that acquiring a spiffy body is an obvious motivator which demands evaluating for the PC. I can think of many different tapes and HCOBs where LRH lays the blame for being stuck in bodies on implants, and trying to fit getting implanted into the definition of "overt" takes a real stretch of the imagination.

So I can't come up with much of a technical justification for how that went. Maybe Beakiddo or someone else can come up with some answer which does not involve Heidi spending a lot of time in cramming.

Dianetics and Scientology Technical Dictionary by L. Ron Hubbard wrote:BLACK DIANETICS, 1 . hypnotism. (5109C17A) 2 . unscrupulous groups and individuals have been practicing a form a Black Dianetics on their fellow man for centuries. They have not called it that but the results have been and are the same. There are those who, to control, resort to narcotics, suggestion, gossip, slander—the thousands of overt and covert ways that can be classified as Black Dianetics. (Scn Jour Iss 3G)

Alert's reference reminded me of another one:

Lecture PDC 20 Formative State of Scientology: Definition of Logic 12 December 1952 by L. Ron Hubbard wrote:Did you ever read poor old George Orwell’s uh… 1984? Yes, yes, that’s wonderful. That would be, could be, the palest imagined shadow of what a world would be like under the rule of the secret use of Scientology with no remedy in existence. Well it’s all right in this offhand age to just brush things aside and say, "Well, it’s of no importance, no importance, really, and… let’s not be dramatic the way people are being about the atom bomb." Actually the atom bomb isn’t as serious as this subject. It’s just a MEST weapon. And, it’s all right to be very offhand, and very cheerful and so on, and – like the little boy whistling in the dark says, "No ghosts or boogymen exist." – Well, this boogyman does exist. It’s a very simple remedy. And that’s just make sure that the remedy is passed along. That’s all. Don’t hoard it. Don’t hold it. And if you ever do use any black Dianetics, use it on the guy who pulled Scientology out of sight and made it so it wasn’t available. Because he’s the boy who would be electing himself "the new order." We don’t need any more new orders – all those orders as far as I’m concerned have been filled.

Scientologists use Black Dianetics in many ways on their perceived enemies, including conversationally. Usually, the more covert and unexpected the method, the more "effective" the result. For example, Hubbard recommended using his emotional tone scale to intentionally bring people down tone:

Lecture 28 Dec 1951 The Life-Continuum Theory by L. Ron Hubbard wrote:I started out some little time ago to try to solve interpersonal relations. We got some interesting stuff. The first thing that turned up was Black Dianetics on interpersonal relations: How do you drive somebody crazy quickly with an emotional curve? You create an emotional curve—you build the fellow way up to the top of this curve and then drop him in the least possible time as low as you can on the curve. The way you do this is by using any of the twelve buttons, and you bring him up as high on that button as you can bring him and then drop him suddenly on the emotional curve. You get a very interesting reaction. He will go into doldrums. You can do it fast.