You're a ******* piece of work...
Look, vaccines get you sick, slightly, they basically inject a weaken/dead form of the virus into your bloodstream, or flashfreeze it and spray it into your nose, I had the spray ( ******* hate needles), but after that I was sick with the flu, the vaccine I had, for a month, then when everyone else started to get flu I was perfectly fine.

ok you stupid **** no there weren't any chemical grade meds but we used what we had herbs the human body doesn't evolve fast enough to combat today's highly evolve illnesses that are changing to get past the imune system

Oh boy I'm going to slit that up like Christmas turkey.
1. Chemical Grade meds: You mean dead virus matter mixed with mild anti-virals? Yeap, that is definitely dangerous stuff there.
2. Herbs can boost an immune system, true; Fat lot of good that did against Spanish Flu.
3. You're right! The human body is lousy at keeping up with new strains. Hence why vaccinations are present.
4. "Today's highly evolved viruses"; Evolved compared to what? Past viruses? Hanta virus has been around for many centuries, and it can still kick the **** out of new viruses.

So take off the tinfoil hat, get an education, then see what you think about the natural order of things.

Let me tell you a little something about viruses, and natural selection in general. If a prey species (humans) become resistant or manage to outperform a predator (viruses), the predator is going to adapt to better eliminate the prey. This goes back and forth, and the world spins around in a strange carnivorous dance.
While prescribing antibiotics for every infection is demonstrably bad, that is an entirely different bag of worms from vaccines. Vaccines just accelerate the process out bodies do naturally; become immune through exposure. Besides allergic responses, there are virtually no downsides to most vaccines.
In short; Take a bio course, then talk about how your system works.

... It's 100% natural. Your body does it without you even realizing. It builds up your immunity. The only "negative" effect from a vaccine is that you feel slightly ****** afterwards, because your immune system is doing its job. It should be noted that even in this phase of activity, you are no more susceptible to disease than you are before; and afterwards, you are 100% immune to that strain of pathogen.

Listen, we can argue to the moon and back, but only one of us is specializing in microbiology, and it sure ain't you.

I'm not saying medicines are always the answer, the human body is amazing and a lot of the time it can fight off what challenges it, but the point of modern medicine is to generally aid towards a healthy state, not to artificially create one.
The point of vaccines is to essentially give your white blood cells practice against any potential invading diseases (like flu, for example) so that it know what it's up against, and so they can learn to fight them even more efficiently next time. People like the elderly and the asthmatic need this helping hand so that their bodies aren't overwhelmed when they first come into contact with the virus or bacteria. Seeing as the vaccine is a dead version of the real thing, it's not really as invasive as you'd think.

As for this 'down with the system' attitude you've got going on, it's really nice that you're willing to challenge authority, but I think just mindlessly going against something that's generally thought to be a good thing (like modern medicine) for the sake of this guerrilla mentality is a bit foolish. Calling me a sheep doesn't make you any less non-conformist, and by-the-by, I challenge any system I feel could do with a change, but the concept of making people better through medicine is not one of them.

well as much as the parts of vaccines that actually help do assist your body, the rest of the formula isnt helping

no medicine anywhere is purely beneficial, there are always other components that either damage your body, cause addictions or make you susceptible to other things, and thus make you require another type of med

on the note of the system, ....many people thought Hitler and Stalin were brilliant men til too late
its good that you are willing to stand up against things that need a change, but its like a hot bath.....if you jump in when its boiling you'll feel the shock and want out....but if the waters heated up slowly while youre in it, you'll get used to how things are and not mind

the system has been taking small steps every year, making things a little bit worse over long time so you just accept it slowly and wont realize how bad it is

You have a point about people using different prescriptions to counteract different side effects, but I think this only happens in select cases where the medicine was most likely required in the first place. It's a pity that these cycles happen but one must bear in mind that we're only in the first half of the 21st century, and that we're in the process of ironing these kinks out. A lot of medicines don't actually induce very adverse symptoms, but they're advertised just because of the legal risk.
I agree that the pillpopping system is really corrupt (doctors pushing certain drugs to their benefit and such), but I get the impression that this happens mostly in the U.S, where the pill culture is actually HUGE. Apparently they are trying to educate people about the dangers of mixing and swapping drugs, but we'll just have to see where that goes. It'll take a long time to fix things but I think the U.S will get there.

There are some very important things to get vaccinations against, some are less important, your scenario would hardly be fitting if Smallpox was rampant in the world again, but I can agree the flu is also in my mind just considered a inconvenience, a week or two or feeling a bit drained of energy with a clogged nose, but to some people, it would posses a real threat.

You're both wrong and right, you're right in the regard that if we live in a glass bouble, our immune system would be **** and living without a immune system at all, anything could kill you.

1. Vaccines enhance your natural immunity.
2. Doctors (at least in the U.S.) don't get any money for writing prescriptions, in fact it's illegal. You go to the doctor for a checkup, you pay the same amount whether they prescribe you 10 drugs or none.

The government doesn't encourage just pumping drugs into anyone. They encourage increasing the length and quality of life for all the citizens. Drugs actually do work, whether you are intelligent enough to realize it or not.

the drugs were pumped out by the government to keep its happy little slaves called the common worker, fit enough to come to work every day and live longer so they can squeeze more working years out of people before they die and are no longer a source of revenue

if you feel that the people turning more and more to fat useless drug addicted alcoholics who on average spend most of their live working or sitting on the couch watching tv all day, is a great life, good god you have low standards

No, I'm serious. The medications keep people healthy so they can do what they choose. No one is forcing them to work. In fact there are a lot of people who choose not to and take advantage of the "free money" they can get from the government. People choose to be fat, useless, drug addicted, and/or alcoholics. I am none of them, so yes, I would say I have a great life thank you very much.
If the government wanted us to become addicted to drugs, they would never have made the most addictive ones illegal or hard to get by making them controlled substances.

its not so much choice as it is different people giving in to the types of government supported categories of life,
* the people who work their who work their whole lives, occasionally supported by meds to keep working, up til they grow old, retire and use meds to stay alive
* the fat couch potatoes who use meds to fight their health problems, and occasionally need surgery to stay alive
* the 'illegal' drug users who the police arrest and charge and sometimes send to jail for using drugs the government doesnt like, only because as much as the over the counter ingredients are making them a profit, the resulting 'illegal' drug is making private dealers profits the government isnt able to tax legally

*It is a choice. No one forces anyone to be fat, useless, addicted, or an alcoholic.
*The people who work their whole lives do so at a job of their choosing, working the number of hours they want, doing what they want in their free time, and choosing when to retire and what to do when they do retire. The meds help them do that, sounds good to me.
*Fat people do use drugs to fight their health problems. Which is why there is pressure from everywhere to start eating healthier and being more active.
*They don't like the illegal drug uses because they are a danger to society

right, ill tell that so several of my american friends whose bosses force them to work ****** hours or lose their jobs,

they dont like the street level drug users because they dont moderate the addictive substance like people on prescription have to

the rise in numbers of fat people worldwide has been a result of government-induced ideals of a social safety net....here, you cant emotionally handle life,,,,,have some anti-depressant pills.....hey youre feeling down, have a bag of potato chips and some heart medication

They don't like street drug users because those drugs are a hazard to not only the person taking them, but also the general public.

I actually do think that antidepressants are prescribed too liberally, people do need to toughen up a bit sometimes. I'm not saying that they need to be taking a drug for every little thing. Some people just choose the drug because they think it is just easier than facing their problems. It's the same thing for fat people. They would rather eat unhealthy and take a drug than just eat healthier and exercise. They are choosing to be lazy

well ive met some people who use meth, and all they do is live homeless, and survive on what they beg for, steal or find in garbage bins, but not really a big harm to other people
whereas ive met people on 'legal' meds are are dangerous to other people, like one woman on anti-depressants who even while dosed or because she was dosed, had episodes and threw big objects of furniture off her balcony, nearly hitting people

the main real difference between legal and illegal drugs is the legal ones are registered and the government can easily monitor them

as for fat people, alot of those are people who dont want drugs to feel happy with life, so stuff their faces with comfort foods and sadly end up on meds anyway just to get past the health problems with obesity

A crazy, homeless person stealing just to fund their next meth hit is extremely dangerous

The difference between legal and illegal drugs is that the illegal ones are much more dangerous and/or have no feasible medical uses.

Fat people are basically drug addicts, but instead of drugs, they are just addicted to the food. They make that choice. You don't need drugs to feel happy in life. You need drugs to keep you healthy so you can keep doing the things that make you happy in life

i meant the homeless stealing food, like grabbing something from a store and running
, most of the ones that rob people for cash are already in jail, while we pay for them to be in there

the 'war on drugs' is ******** to siphon money from taxpayers at the same time the government helps cartels import drugs into the country - its a fact usa sells guns to south america in exchange for profits on the drug dealing
in fact if obama and friends go ahead with this plan to seize guns from people in usa, it'll just mean they'll be selling off all those guns to south america for more drugs

If the homeless person isn't working, the only way to pay for their addiction is to steal (not food) from others or engage in other illegal activities to get the money, which is putting others in danger. When someone is truly addicted, they don't care about anything besides their next hit.

The war on drugs, while not going as well as we might have hoped, is still a war on drugs. If the government truly just wanted money, they could easily legalize the drugs and make billions and billions of dollars by taxing it. But they don't, because it is incredibly bad for our society. If there are so many people addicted now, imagine how bad it would be if every gas station legally sold these illicit drugs. They don't help the drug runners, because they would waste the funds made from it on fighting drugs, arresting abusers, and paying for their livelihood in jail.

You must either be a huge troll, mentally handicapped, or just the dumbest person I have met. In any case, I feel sorry for you and how it must feel to be so inadequate.

no, they get welfare and beg for more money on the streets, which by law technically they can wave off as donations since its people's choice to give them money

the war on drugs is a lie, the government knows about the cartels and most of their dealers, they just make a show arrest every now and then to keep up public opinion of the taxpayer money they claim to spend on it
they wont legalize the drugs because that would cause negative public opinion, its much better to them to keep it illegal so they look like the good guys

you claim im mentally handicapped yet youre the one playing human centipede and gobbling up the **** the government feeds you

Welfare isn't nearly enough to feed an expensive addiction. I've seen many cases where they turn to even robbing their drug dealer and risk getting shot because of their addiction.

The war on drugs is not a lie, it's just an incredibly hard task. The only way to stop it is to man every inch of border/coast and stop each and every vehicle going through and thoroughly search it. That would be incredibly expensive and time consuming. They are doing the best they can. I have seen the gigantic warehouses of seized drugs literally worth millions/billions of dollars. They examine it and then destroy most of it. Why would they do this if they could just "release" it out into the public and make more money. Those same cartels are kidnapping people and holding them for ransom and killing any who bring in no money. Pretty sure the government doesn't want people killing the working citizens.

I didn't claim you were mentally handicapped, I merely mentioned it was one of the three most possible scenarios. I'm not just blindly believing what the government tells me. I study drugs, had a specific class devoted to the illicit drugs, have watched AA/NA meetings, etc.

Because some of this **** we are ill prepared to fight, the flu virus have a high mutation rate, it's a different but similar enemy from time to time and it's estimated to kill roughly 250,000 - 500,000 yearly.

well they pretty much ARE legal drug cartels, yes some tiny parts of the medicines do put up a weak fight against illnesses, but by and large the 'meds' are just addictive substances wrapped in placebo sugar pill coating

if medicines actually cured people then where would doctors keep getting patients

somebody did NOT pay attention in biology. first of all, the world is forever in a vicious cycle of evolution. prey evolves to out do the predator, the predator evolves to out do the prey. rinse and repeat. and as for "if medicines actually cured people then where would doctors keep getting patients," people keep on coming into this world, and getting things such as STD's, and cancer, and all that other **** . any one with a 10th grade education knows that the bacteria and viruses that cause you illness reproduce so fast, that they become immune to the antibiotics that you are prescribed, so illness, will always be apart of everyone's life, and they'll always need to pay good ol' modern medical science a trip.

as i said before, evolution. while you are right to an extent on how the human body can build its own immune system, you are a complete dumbass on everything else that leaves your mind and enters the internet. vaccines are not an addictive substance, HIV was not created by the government to bring in more money.

<MFW i realize you're almost as big a dumbass as the anon who spams "ASIANS CAN ACTUALLY READ MINDS!!!" ********

of course. when losing an argument, the loser has 3 options. admit defeat, call the winner a troll, or claim to be trolling themselves. and whilst i am straight, i would like to ask what exactly is wrong with being homosexual? im not harming anyone. im not assassinating the president/Czar/Fuhrer/Queen/what ever the hell you want. infact, my friend is a homosexual, and you would never guess in a million years unless he straight up told you. and if you reply again, you better hope to god that your argument is valid.

on that side note, theres a difference between a homosexual male, and the sparkly twilight fag you

back on topic, i dont see any way of getting facts into your head, because you've already set up the roadblock of 'the government is always right' before any information is processed

but to try:
the human body has evovled to fight most things, we wouldnt be alive if we didnt,...so what is the point on consuming artificial substances to fight illness and disease when if humanity become dependant on such things, what happens to us when we no longer have them or the suppliers hold us to ransom to get them

if people become reliant on drugs just to live, then the system can blackmail people to obey them in order to get the meds, and anyone who disobeys simply doesnt get the meds
it'll be like a junkie having to suck the dealers dick to get heroin

>gives true as **** facts
>gets called a dumbass who rages on someone with a different opinion
>original commenter is still a dense mother ******

i never said the government was always right. you need to stop assuming **** . medicine works for a fact, HIV/AIDS was not a government ploy for money, and the human body is not a biological armored tank. yes, the human body can fight off disease. but by the point the disease has been detected and is being fought off by your immune system, you're already feeling like **** , and you are unable to go to your job to make the money that you believe the government is trying to steal from you, but in reality, its your idiocrity that makes you lose that money you need to survive. vaccines simply help your immune system keep the disease and **** from hitting you with its effects in the first place. if you weren't so dense in the first place, you would realise that

please tell me you dont have kids, i dont want mine growing up in a world popoulated with retards like you

much as once upon a time, people believed the world was flat because the government told them that was the case....here you are obediently accepting what the modern government tells you
you believe the sun revolves around the earth dont you?

yes, i do, because that's a proven scientific fact. and no, i don't believe everything the government tells me, but i know fact from fiction. medicine is a fact to work. while some people have developed an addiction to sleep aids, this is a different case from vaccines. i have studied this **** , unlike you seem to have. no vaccine out there is known to give addictions. as many people have said to you, a vaccine is simply put, a dead/weakened version of the disease you wish to become more resistant to. your white blood cells, then take care of the disease/virus, and give the cells experience on taking care of the desired illness. none of it is artificial, like you you said earlier. nor is it similar to steroids for you to build false muscle mass. taking a vaccine is the equivalent of going to the gym and lifting weights. its completely natural. its just simply speeding up the process.

on a side note: as you mentioned before, you are apparently in law enforcement. if they actually let idiots like you handle guns, i fear for my life when ever i have to leave my house now, simply from how much of an ignorant, ******* you appear to be.

yes, one little component in medicine works, but youre ignoring all the other parts to every so-called medicine they give, the meds dont actually fight disease and illness they just put a bandaid on the problem so people keep buying the meds and maintain that temporary fix

taking artificial means to fight naturally occurring illnesses weakens the body's ability to fight them on its own, making it reliant on the next vaccine and the next just to do things it should be doing on its own

and for the record, people with morals like myself, law enforcement or civilian will very soon find outrselves without guns, obama and friends dont want anybody who's not a sheep to have the ability to fight back when they unleash the new world order

if you paid attention to news you'd have seen them deploying military vehicles around all over the place 6 months ago, now recently the military has started discharging soldiers who admitted they wont fire on civilians

oh but when **** hits the fan, but they wont hurt you, youre a loyal sheep, the government doesnt hurt those who obey

you know, im done. you are quite literally to stupid to get any sense into your thick skull. everyone tells you time and time again that vaccines, and most other meds, are not artificial, immune system destroying poisons, as you make them out to be, and yet you continue to make the same exact argument, over and over, with the only difference being wording. you are by far the best physical representation of a broken record, other than an actual broken record. and as for your argument as to the whole "the military has started discharging soldiers who admitted they wont fire on civilians" nonsense, i am seriously considering becoming a hermit now, if you're still allowed to have a gun, and openly admitted to willingly opening fire on civilians. good bye, and go **** yourself.

right, you read a few things written by the system, accept that as perfect truth, and never ever consider there might be another opinion, god forbid you have any conflict of knowledge and worry the system has been lying to you

you are by far the most ignorant person iv'e ever had the misfortune of talking to the human body adapts to the world around it and the other things like disease do the same so they can survive in this world and some of them adapt faster then we do so the combat them we make medicine the help are body fight

Right so somewhere like where I live in Denmark and such, where we got excellent healthcare, the goverment is in on it too, the goverment actually want to pay for all our medical bills instead of making us healthy for good and never having to pay a dime for us again, I mean it's so obvious now I can't believe I haven't seen it before.

I bet those casts they put on ya when you break something is actually preventing the bone from healing and wheelchairs are in fact multi billion market cripple making machines.

As if condoms actually help against stds or pregnancy, they don't do **** either you just have to keep spending money on those and birthcontrol, afterall, we're perfectly able to fight off AIDS and HIV with our immune system.

I was simply trying to mimic you good sir, I mean since you claim the medical industry is secretly working against us to take our money, and in my country aparantly in cooperation with the goverment, then why would they restrict themselves to only vaccines, why aren't you questioning everything scientific based or things from the medical industry?

And STDS are invented by the goverment.. For all that is holy, don't ever give medical advice, no matter how close to death the person is.

youre just trying to troll arent you
i didnt say all STDs i said HIV/AIDS are made by the government

doctors, chemists and psychiatrists all throw pills at people because they not only want patients to get hooked and come back for more over and over, but also because any time they make a new prescription, they get a commission for getting a patient on one medication or another

plus when the pharmaceutical industry comes out with a new type of medication, said doctors,chemists and psychs get a small bonus for peddling the new product