I'm not really connected to them. Only met Agarina and Newbornstar once. It wasn't easy to type Agarina. I was ok with EII though, and I still don't have any better typing. I didn't get any Se from her. Newbornstar was an obvious EIE in my opinion. Bot are Creative subtype, and they thought so themselves (if you care about DCNH). Yeah, the world is a small place