That's "The Maven". Haven't heard about him for years. People on here would dog him out. Saying his father bankrolled his horse playing. I view that more as his father believes in him. If he wins the 2 mil he could pay him back and people will start giving him national props.

Kudos to mr. Benes. Not many illinois track only pros out there. And nice to see he beat all those guys with computer programs by using the drf newspaper version. Brisnet always tries to get to these guys saying they used them. Maybe drf will use him for ads since he quoted them?

Maybe, maybe not. I think you are guessing. Jim is a very nice guy, but he's not very chatty -- all business during the wagering day. He occasionally stops in the Platinum room after the live card is over.

The point is, making assumptions about which handicapping tools or products people use by peeking over their shoulder at the track is prone to error (especially *paper* products -- my son puts the Form and the Sheets on his iPhone).

I called The Professor out on this very same erroneous assumption years ago when he was extolling the virtues of his newsletter while slamming track attendees who had little else other than a track program in front of them. You don't know.

The point is, making assumptions about which handicapping tools or products people use by peeking over their shoulder at the track is prone to error

There's no "peeking over the shoulder" involved. Jim's been a regular on the 3rd floor for a long time, far more than "occasionally stopping by the Platinum room". Everyone encounters him, and sometimes speaks with him.

We also have the additional evidence that "neither sheets service is braying about 'it was a sheets winner!' on their forum."

That's "The Maven". Haven't heard about him for years. People on here would dog him out. Saying his father bankrolled his horse playing. I view that more as his father believes in him. If he wins the 2 mil he could pay him back and people will start giving him national props.

Is this still true? How many times have you been to Hawthorne in the past year?

Even if it's a good guess, I still say you are guessing. ThoroGraph has picked up quite a few new users in the past two years while you have been away from the track. (Or is it more? You DO know about dime supers, right? )

Is this still true? How many times have you been to Hawthorne in the past year?

Friggin' genius you are. There is a reason I wrote "Unless he has changed course in the past year, no."

With ADW, I don't go nearly as much as I used to. However, the times I did go this Fall, there was Jim, wandering the 3rd floor as usual. I do admit I didn't keep moment to moment track of him.

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Even if it's a good guess, I still say you are guessing.

It's an observation over many years.

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ThoroGraph has picked up quite a few new users in the past two years

Oh yeah, any winner of a contest just HAS to be a TG user. It's just IMPOSSIBLE it could be otherwise, because that money rightfully belongs to TG users. And even if a guy is not known to be a TG user, he just MUST be a closet TG user to keep the narrative going.

Oh yeah, any winner of a contest just HAS to be a TG user. It's just IMPOSSIBLE it could be otherwise, because that money rightfully belongs to TG users. And even if a guy is not known to be a TG user, he just MUST be a closet TG user to keep the narrative going.

Take your meds, Terry.

I never got close to any of what you suggest in your histrionic outburst above...simply pointing out that you have been away and can't be absolute sure that Jim (or anybody else you "know") is not using this or that. Plenty can change in a year. You don't know.

I remember him on Kristufeks show back around that time. I was on a plane going to the BC in 2003 and sat right behind him, he borrowed my form during the flight.

We spoke about the Classic race and I told him that there was too much speed in Medaglio D'oro and Congaree. After I mentioned the blistering pace I saw coming, he said two words to me "Pleasantly Perfect".

Yes, he did a terrific job. I believe the prize was $750,000. He loves to watch replays and make his own speed figures. Also claims to be a professional handicapper does that mean he's unemployeed, retired, or has a wife that pays the bills? He's a lot better capper than me and most if he can pay the bills playing the Chicago race circuit!

I was thinking the same thing. Not that he won, but that he claims he's a professional illinois only horseplayer. Anyone who can play clm5000n1y's at hawthorne and arlington polygarbage only. and say that is their only income, deserves mega props. Because those fake pros who get paid to give out one winner a year are not pros. This guy seems to be the real deal.

I was thinking the same thing. Not that he won, but that he claims he's a professional illinois only horseplayer. Anyone who can play clm5000n1y's at hawthorne and arlington polygarbage only. and say that is their only income, deserves mega props. Because those fake pros who get paid to give out one winner a year are not pros. This guy seems to be the real deal.

Yes and did you notice that he is not BTW nattering all day about how great a handicapper he is.

It takes a good deal of time and work to stay up on racing anywhere. I give him all the credit to be able to come out ahead. You are correct, most handicappers on TV or in print ever show you what they do over time (profit and loss wise).