Lately I'm starting to come across WN ideas more and more outside of stormfront. They might be mixed in with other ideas but they're there. Here's an example from a left-wing site talking about the tea-baggers and where they're coming from. If White Nationalism is gaining ground even in parts of the left, then maybe something really is changing.

A few weeks ago, I attended the teabagger protests in DC. The thing I noticed the most about the folks there was that, for the most part, they were friendly, nice, hardworking people. Sure, there were some crazies; sure, there were some racists. For the most part, though, they looked like the type of folks I grew up with in the labor movement, coming to DC to enjoy a protest and spend the rest of the weekend taking in some monuments and museums. These weren't rich suburbanites; the teabaggers I saw were mainly poor people, whose trip to DC were probably the only the vacation they would be able to afford this year.

Growing up in Pittsburgh, I had known many poor white people, but they all seemed to vote for Democrats because they had manufacturing jobs and were union members. Gradually, though, the unions - which were a means of educating people about politics - evaporated under the anti-union policies of Democrats and Republicans alike. I saw more and more strong Democrats turn Republican as they began to distrust a Democratic Party that took away their jobs with policies like NAFTA and one after another massive corporate giveaway.

Even recently, my own grandmother, a lifelong Democrat, admitted to my mother that she was unsure about health care reform because of the "death panels."

Is my grandmother some sort of stupid, racist, teabagging reactionary? I think not. This is the woman who, after all, told me stories about how she was called a “Mediterranean n**ger” growing up and was sympathetic to the experience of African-Americans. But has my grandmother been lied to by Democrats and Republicans alike and seen her standard of living decline over the past 30 years? Sure. And has this led my grandmother to the point where she is so confused about what to believe that she simply doesn't trust government because, mostly, what government has done is hurt her over the last 30 years? Without a doubt.

As Sara Robinson argues in her must-read piece analyzing the rise of the teabagger movement among working-class Americans:

No democracy in history has ever survived with our current levels of inequality. There's no reason for the middle and working classes to trust anything about a system that's so clearly rigged to suck money straight out of their pockets into the tax-free offshore bank accounts of the wealthy - who, of course, turn right around and use that money to buy off our government, so they can suck up even more of our economy for themselves.
People are confused. They are angry, and they have little faith in government.

As the president pointed out in his speech, we are all guilty of racial subconscious on one level, but few of us intentionally want to hate another person. People get very offended when you call them racists because most people don't intend or want to act in a racist matter.

I, myself, am guilty of have experiencing racist thoughts at time. But I have marched in civil rights marches, dated women of color and shared an apartment for a very long time with a person of color. However, I was outraged when the head of an organization told me that they would like to hire me, but they couldn't because they needed to hire a person of color.

Likewise, I cringed a few weeks ago when a well-off, South Asian colleague of mine at a strategy meeting stood up and said, "Forget about white working class males. We need to expose them for the racist scumbags that they are."

As a white male from a working-class background, I thought to myself, "Who the hell is this guy, to get up and say that the folks I grew up with - my family members - are 'racists scumbags.'" It made me feel defensive.

I thought to myself, "I bet you the only white working-class males this guy interacts with are the guys serving him hamburgers on the way to his vacations in the Hamptons." My immediate reaction was not to listen to him, but to figure out a way to attack back.

Likewise, the progressive movement - in particular, progressive bloggers - are making a big mistake in attacking the other side by calling them racist. It merely makes them feel defensive because nobody wants to listen to someone that is attacking them with such an emotional bomb.

Its makes the teabaggers resent the progressive movement and view them as rich, college-educated elitists that only want to tell them how wrong they are.

People are angry, they have a right to be angry, and they're looking for someone to blame. And the thing is it's a mistake to point the finger of blame only at 'liberals', 'elitists', and the left, because the government and the establishment *across the board* are working to screw the average person. What this article is pointing out is there's a source of untapped power in the working class, and anyone working for real change could mobilize a working class movement - the way Hitler did but if only you could do it without being portrayed as or portraying yourselves as Nazis.

Lately I'm starting to come across WN ideas more and more outside of stormfront. They might be mixed in with other ideas but they're there. Here's an example from a left-wing site talking about the tea-baggers and where they're coming from. If White Nationalism is gaining ground even in parts of the left, then maybe something really is changing.

I've been saying that things are changing for a long time now. So have many other White Nationalists. We can read the handwriting on the wall. Heck, we're the ones writing it. It'll only be a matter of time before it starts to sink in more and more with the masses.

I, myself, am guilty of have experiencing racist thoughts at time. But I have marched in civil rights marches, dated women of color and shared an apartment for a very long time with a person of color. However, I was outraged when the head of an organization told me that they would like to hire me, but they couldn't because they needed to hire a person of color.

Likewise, I cringed a few weeks ago when a well-off, South Asian colleague of mine at a strategy meeting stood up and said, "Forget about white working class males. We need to expose them for the racist scumbags that they are."

As I've stated many times in the past, the best thing that could happen for the pro-White cause is for anti-racists and non-Whites to go too far in their incompetence, mismanagement, and virulent anti-White tendencies.

We've already seen that anti-racist economics has been a disaster for America, producing the inequities and angst among America's working classes.

We've also seen how multitudes of non-Whites have made statements or committed actions which demonstrate their deep-seeded anti-White antipathy and resentment, such as the South Asian individual quoted above. Obviously, since this non-White is well-off and condemning working class Whites who are worse-off than he is, then he obviously can't complain about "oppression" or "racism," yet he is, demonstrating the hypocrisy and disingenuous nature of non-Whites regarding race relations.

And then these people wonder why more and more Whites are getting pissed off. Geez, not only are these anti-racists total hypocrites, but they're completely blind and clueless as well.

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People are angry, they have a right to be angry, and they're looking for someone to blame.

I'm not so certain that people are looking for someone to blame. I think what they truly want is for the problem to be corrected. Of course, that would involve analyzing the source of the problem and who might be responsible, but nonetheless, it would also entail unlearning many ideals and precepts which have been made into "Sacred Cows" in recent decades.

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And the thing is it's a mistake to point the finger of blame only at 'liberals', 'elitists', and the left, because the government and the establishment *across the board* are working to screw the average person.

But who is in control of the establishment? You say it happens across the board, but when we're talking about the establishment, that definitely implies the "elite." Having said that, though, I would say that it's a mistake to blame one major party over the other. A lot of people blame the Republicans or Democrats and get caught up in this "Red State"/"Blue State" business, indicating that they're far more distracted and confused than they should be.

I think that some of the blame should go to liberals and the left for betraying their own ideals and abandoning the working classes and their fiscal agenda in favor of their social agenda. It was, after all, a Democratic (and supposedly "liberal") President who signed NAFTA into law and used the Democratic machine to muscle any and all Democratic congressmen who were holding out and opposing NAFTA. Except for Jerry Brown and Ralph Nader (who would later be dismissed by the media as "kooks"), the liberals and the left let this go on, and they didn't lift a finger to stop it.

They already betrayed their own ideals, so they're being hoisted by their own petard.

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What this article is pointing out is there's a source of untapped power in the working class, and anyone working for real change could mobilize a working class movement - the way Hitler did but if only you could do it without being portrayed as or portraying yourselves as Nazis.

And how are the so-called "teabaggers" being portrayed these days? "Racist scumbags"? They're already portraying them in much the same way as they portray "Nazis," so sooner or later, more and more people will realize that all these media "portrayals" are a load of bunk and that we're all really just White Americans on the same side trying to save our nation. Whether we're "Nazis," "racist scumbags," "rednecks," or whatever anyone else wants to call us, the bottom line is, we're patriotic White Americans who wish to save our nation.

Why would anyone oppose patriotism? Why would anyone oppose those who love their nation?

Patriotism is increasing daily, militia movements in the USA observed 10-fold increase in members in only one year, from 2008 to 2009. Europe is also waking up, but don't hold your breath. People in Europe are unarmed and there is no real organizational effort to bind organizations from various countries together.

WN is getting mainstream for sure and it will be mainstream in short time. NS ideas are in minority and they won't be resurrected in old form, people are too afraid of them and too indoctrinated to accept them.

Why would anyone oppose patriotism? Why would anyone oppose those who love their nation?

Actually, you only "love" a small part of it.

You complain about the way our government works, what our people do,who they marry, what color they are, what news they listen to, who they choose as neighbors and what they are taught in school.
You object to numerous Constitutional amendments and many of our laws.
You don't like our courts or our legal system.
You don't like our military or our police.

Foremost of all, you call many of us "traitors"if we happen to disagree with you on anything.

After you take away all of the above,there really isn't much left to "love".

But many of the ideas from this forum aren't new or invented by a person. They existed for quite a long time- the idea that a nation "belongs" only to a certain ethnicity or nation, the belief that certain persons, like homosexuals, feminists, people of different religions like Islam, are only harming the country in which they live, for exemple, isn't new either- through, of course, some embrace it in the name of nationalism, others in the name of religion. Or the pro-lifes ideas, which are also embraced by many nationalists/patriots, even if they aren't connected with this website(let alone religious people). Or the belief that the majority(be it ethnical, religious, political) should be encouraged, and that minorities should only be tolerated, not allowed to replace the majority.

Many of them, are in a form or other, part of the mainstream. Surely, I doubt that there are many places where most people embrace them, and in some cases, these beliefs might be mixed in a ideology that is far from WN, but they exist- you can search for some very conservative religious groups, or for some conservative/nationalist political parties, for exemple.

Everyone complains about the government. Doesn't mean that they love America any less.

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what our people do,

I complain about those of our people who hate America and support policies which harm America.

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who they marry,

Nope. I've never complained about who people marry.

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what color they are,

No, I don't complain about the color of our people. All of our people are White, so there's nothing to complain about in that regard.

If they're not White, they're not our people.

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what news they listen to,

Yes, I do complain about that. You have, too. You don't like the liberal media either. You've said as much many times.

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who they choose as neighbors and what they are taught in school.

Yes, because all of these things affect the quality of life in America.

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You object to numerous Constitutional amendments and many of our laws.

Actually, I've only objected to one Constitutional amendment, the Fourteenth. I only object to those laws which have had a harmful effect upon America.

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You don't like our courts or our legal system.

In the sense that the courts and the legal system are a reflection of the politicians in government.

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You don't like our military or our police.

This is a bald-faced lie. I've never said anything against the police, and as far as the military goes, I know that it's the civilian politicians who give them their orders, and I can't fault them for following their orders. But there have been times when I do criticize what the civilian leadership has ordered them to do.

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Foremost of all, you call many of us "traitors"if we happen to disagree with you on anything.

I call White American people traitors if they do something treasonous or bring about harm to the American people. To the best of my recollection, I have never called you a "traitor," because I don't view you as a White American. A White American who supports policies which are in opposition to the interests of his own nation and people is, in my opinion, a traitor.

Anti-racists are no different than Jane Fonda was during the Vietnam War, or just like all those celebrity "human shields" who went to Iraq to support Hussein (Sean Penn comes to mind). While Jane Fonda was never formally charged with treason, there were plenty of Vietnam vets who called her a traitor and still think of her in that way, even after all these years.

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After you take away all of the above,there really isn't much left to "love".

All that is essential is left, and that's all that really matters. Most of what you address in the above examples have to do with government. So, you're still wrapped up in the government as the be-all and end-all of America. What about all those who hate American history and most of the American people - yet still love the government and elite? What can be said about them? They're the ones who only love a small portion of America. The portion WNists love is much larger than the portion that you love.

How much of America do you actually "love," Sam? Do you love our history, the principles of our Founding Fathers, or our culture/way of life? Do you love the beauty and majestic splendor that is our land? Do you love those who came before us for making untold sacrifices and enduring great hardships in order to bring us this modern, comfortable, luxurious society that we enjoy today? Do you feel any sense of love and gratitude for what they have done? Do you feel any sense of responsibility or love for those who will come after us?

Don't you think we should love America enough to be able to leave it in better condition than when we found it?

Or is it better to just let America go down the drain just because a bunch of corrupt politicians and pundits kept saying "Don't worry, it's okay"? And yet, you believe that I'm the bad guy for criticizing the politicians for that?

You complain about the way our government works, what our people do,who they marry, what color they are, what news they listen to, who they choose as neighbors and what they are taught in school.
You object to numerous Constitutional amendments and many of our laws.
You don't like our courts or our legal system.
You don't like our military or our police.

Foremost of all, you call many of us "traitors"if we happen to disagree with you on anything.

After you take away all of the above,there really isn't much left to "love".

Most people on here don't complain about the way the government works, they complain about what it has become. The U.S Federal Government has grown far beyond what it was intended to be through the Constitution.

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what our people do,who they marry, what color they are, what news they listen to, who they choose as neighbors and what they are taught in school.

So if we don't like some people's degenerate behavior, that means we hate our country?

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You object to numerous Constitutional amendments and many of our laws.

So disagreeing with the government means you hate your country?

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You don't like our courts or our legal system.
You don't like our military or our police.

Speak for yourself. I like our courts and legal system so long as they enforce the laws and don't defend criminals. I like our military and police so long as they serve law, order, and the Constitution, not communism.

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After you take away all of the above,there really isn't much left to "love".

Look, we love America as it was from 1776 up until about the 1970s. What we don't love is the mongrelized, internationalist entity that is replacing the United States of America. A country that speaks Spanish, is 70% Mestizo, has a socialist government, bans public Christianity, and promotes Islam is not America. It is the perverted brainchild of liberalism that is fast coming and in many ways is already visible today.

Why do some of you describe antis as anti-racists? Antis aren’t AGAINST discrimination, they’re FOR discrimination! They’re ordinary racists, simple as that! So just call them antis. There should also be a Sticky thread describing what an anti is…..a person who describes himself as an anti-racist but is in fact an anti-white racist, a hater of white people who thinks Whites should have less rights than other races.

Why do some of you describe antis as anti-racists? Antis aren’t AGAINST discrimination, they’re FOR discrimination! They’re ordinary racists, simple as that! So just call them antis. There should also be a Sticky thread describing what an anti is…..a person who describes himself as an anti-racist but is in fact an anti-white racist, a hater of white people who thinks Whites should have less rights than other races.

I thinks whites are equal to everyone else and deserve the same rights. I hate affirmative action, it has served it's purpose, now it should be eradicated. I also don't like 'La Raza' and other similar groups, some of them seem more supremacist than anti-discrimination...

I am an anti-racist. I know racism comes from all races not just whites. I am against racism from anyone, from any race.

You complain about the way our government works, what our people do,who they marry, what color they are, what news they listen to, who they choose as neighbors and what they are taught in school.
You object to numerous Constitutional amendments and many of our laws.
You don't like our courts or our legal system.
You don't like our military or our police.

Foremost of all, you call many of us "traitors"if we happen to disagree with you on anything.

After you take away all of the above,there really isn't much left to "love".