They removed some of the most egregious stuff, but I am not at all happy with the further expansion of the executive office. Why do we even have the other branches anymore? Why not just sweep majestically back to a monarchy?

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They removed some of the most egregious stuff, but I am not at all happy with the further expansion of the executive office. Why do we even have the other branches anymore? Why not just sweep majestically back to a monarchy?

Cause then we'd have to find some old women to sit around and look royal.

we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.

Anyone who speaks against our government may now be labeled a terrorist for the express purpose of indefinite detention without due process or constitutional liberty. The implications of this bill are freaking scary. I'm not sure what to make of it.

Why the **** were people applauding at the end of Episode III? The movie was an insult to all that was holy in this world.

For the same reason people cheered in the streets of Berlin. They got duped.

Because the travesty of a prequel series was finally over?

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publiusvarus wrote:

we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.

They removed some of the most egregious stuff, but I am not at all happy with the further expansion of the executive office. Why do we even have the other branches anymore? Why not just sweep majestically back to a monarchy?

Honestly, these can just be seen as a continuation of a political process put into practice by Bush, who was doing the same thing.

Sure, if you want to just give Obama a free pass for no good reason.

Honestly not trying to. That was why I added the thing about arguing which is work being irrelevant. Rereading it shows that it probably wasn't obvious what I meant though.

I'm absolutely disgusted with Obama over this issue. He's faaaaar from my ideal president, but I was at least hopeful that he'd be willing to take a hard stance on a bill that was so obviously a direct attack on our basic rights. But, honestly, he's exactly what a president who followed Bush would like to--adding to executive power, using the precedent of the vast power increase of the previous presidency to legitimatize it.

Most presidents from either party would have done the same thing. Doesn't make it okay, and doesn't mean I won't happily berate Obama for the choice.