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Wednesday, August 17, 2016

El Chapo's son's Kidnapping timeline and map

Big thanks to "Mica" of BB forum who contributed this information. The timeline is translated by Mica.

click to enlarge-explanation below

There are only two
routes.

The broken black
line (with arrow) that runs through the Melacon.It is doubtful they took this route,it's cobblestone and you pass a judicial
police building.

The second route is
the purple line, which is most likely the route taken, is much faster and goes
through a tunnel.Where the purple arrow ends, a single lane road going
uphill with speed bumps on the road. Once here, it's a long road to nowhere.

Recent photo of Alfredo Guzman-with Kate Del Castillo

This image gives you
an idea of where the restaurant is in green and the red is where the marina and
army have bases.

Tito Beltran doesn't run anything he has no power in the organization at all. He gets what he wants material wise but no shot calling that's a real fact. He refuses to get into the business and family would rather him continue with school like he has been.

Titos granfathers murder was never resolved Tito want Auteliano Guzman dead chapos brother he's the one that killed his grandpa , they never handed over Aureliano so if it's not on good terms it's gonna be on bad terms Tito Beltran holds more power than what you guys think

@4:09 when you're in the business you know the business and I can tell you my friend he is DEFINITELY not in charge. Can't tell all but just know he has NOTHING to do with it at all he never ran into consuelos it was a strategy by the government to start a war

Kate del castillo is a disgusting woman. Imagine knowing what these animals do to other people all for their own personal gain and to sit there next to that beast and warmly embrace everything that dirtbag is and represents. DISGUSTING. I hope del castillo gets a taste of what these animals bring to the everyday poor folks of mexico and beyond.

The mexican government has stated many times that Kate had nothing to do with chapo's capture. I like Kate, i just dont understand why a person like her with a great dad who has an impecable reputación, is doing with these criminals. yo hablo como un individuo que conoce many of them, just dont do business with them.

and there you go, it looks like an inside job/ betrayal...look at the timeline, when one of the men excused himself and said goodbye to everyone exactly one minute later the hitmen storm in and take Chapo's son.... Also, it was men in a Tundra and Suburban plus 2 white vans to carry the hostages away... Seems like they were scouted/followed for some time and it also seems like the shit US forces do during extractions of enemy targets but thats just my opinion...

I agree with this. If someone steps outside for "1 minute" and then next thing you know 10 armed men come running in, or a bomb goes off, or anything bad happens at all, you can guarantee that the person that stepped outside for "1 minute" is part of the conspiracy. I wonder if the person who stepped out was one of Chapo's kids' body guards or something - maybe he sold them out for money or his family is being threatened/held somewhere.

Anyway I'm really looking forward to a torture/decapitation video of a capo as highly ranked as one of the Guzman children. So excited!!! The icing on the cake is that their behavior over instagram really pissed me off. I hated how they flaunted their money in my face - the money their fathers made from the blood of their fellow Mexican brothers and sisters. They're getting what's coming to them and I'm super excited to see it!

5:02 PM- yeah dude, it sounds like your jealous of these guys more than anything. You WANT a beheading video because they had it good and you obviously didn't. You sound fucked up in the head more than these cartel guys. Go get therapy, thank me later

Totally agree with you. It was the height of arrogance and stupidty for El Chapos sons to put themselves in that situation. As you pointed out,everyone wanted them either dead or locked up with their daddy. Grazie BB for the excellent coverage. Any updates on Ivan? Peace.

I have to agree. Where was the security detail? Usually, there is always a couple of guys milling about, with the black man purses,you know, the ones that have the 9 mm Glock inside. For all the tourists that don't know:Always keep an eye out for the man purse.

LOL at the manpurse comment. I always wondered, not that I'm a security expert, but how on earth do you get that pistol out fast enough if something transpires? Last year in PV a odd looking fellow had 2 guys with the Crock dundee vest and black manbag while he was laying out covered in oil. Needless to say, I went to the other side of the pool. I was tempted to act like a dumb American and ask him why he had so much security. Also I've seen one family at a breakfast joint down there surrounded in all directions by armed security, man bags 360 degrees. Speaking of the man purse....I went to a nightclub in Acapulco this year while the President's daughters were partying...they only had like 4 armed bodyguards, manpurses of course and one was a chick...

-The people 'raised' were levantados as in kidnapped.-The vehicles 'raised' were confiscated or taken posession of by the 'actorities'...-The paternal way one of the kidnappers holds the guy in the foto reminds me of the way police and marinas and soldiers held el chapo and holds other arrestees, except for the teacher students of Ayotzinapa, the Teachers, the Tlatlayos, the Acteal-Chenalhó's or other.common low level narco-guerrilla criminals without money, even before it is confirmed they are what they are...sera posible???--The arellanuses would have just shot up the place...

1:45 what kind of a sick mind wants to see another man's pants less bare naked hairy butt?--You really need help, even andrew "dice" clay has superated that curiosity, since the boys started shaving...

Word around the water cooler is mancha is negotiating their release with conditions CDS abandons Colima and Jalisco. IMO CDS will let the guzman clan be collateral damage and use them as martyrs to unite CDS again. I don't see how this benefits CJNG in anyway, on the contrary, this will be the beginning of the end for both.

I don't get it. Were they trying to make a bold statement by partying in CJNG's turf? Pretty stupid....and I need to laugh when I read about the "illegal deprivation" of these 6 scumbags. Call off the search and put the funds towards finding the missing students.

To he reader complaining about the translation of timeline. suck it up or don't read it. How about giving Mica gratitude? People like you are why reporters don't stay and it is almost impossible to find reporters willing to give of their time, without pay, only to be subjected to whiners like you

There's always one. What's the point of complaining about stuff people have given up their free time to do for nothing in return. If whining was an Olympic sport some BB readers would be on the podium every time.

I line myself in agreement with the above replies. I have learned SO much because of Borderland Beat and its wonderfully detailed, fearless reporting. I'm sure many readers would be lost without it.Thank you for all you do, Chivis & Mica.

Anyone familiar with the names of the other 5 who were abducted and what their roles were within CdS? Think that some OXXO styrofoam coolers will show up in some strategic locations with bloody contents?

The outcome will probably not end well for the guzmns but this mencho guy just put a huge target on him and his familys back. His days are numbered one way or the other regardless of what happens to the guzmans. BTW what a dumb name for your group, new generation jslisco cartel, sounds like a boy pop band. Lead singer is a mencho, another stupid name.

I know that tunnel well and again, it takes a long time before you disappear into the middle of nowhere. If they took the tunnel through into the romantic zone and up the scenic roadway, it's still one roadway all the way to Tuito a nice old Mexican town. At that hour of the night, it would be easy from the air to spot vans on that road as there would be virtually no traffic. I like the comment about the American extraction. I wouldn't be surprised if government forces took these guys. The whole thing is strange...some in PV say Chapo runs PV, but others Mencho's cartel...Someone told me that actress Kate from the Sean Penn video is also taken

It's just another day in Mexico where criminals kidnap people and nobody looks for them. What makes Chapos kids any better that all hell should let loose by the government to find them? Besides it was not till probably hours after this happened that the authorities knew that it was Chapos family that had gotten kidnapped!

Things will look very good to el Mayo, los Carrillo, Beltranes, Caro and those from Jalisco. Soon Ivan will lose those landing strips by El Rosario and they will be under El Robertino and gente de los Beltranes

Exactly. But some people hate the violence and insecurity that they create on their areas of control. Then again government is in bed, so no one in power has ever been an altar boy. With that said, if people don't mess with innocents are a better criminal element than the lacras.

To the reader who asked, Mica posted the photo of Kate and Alfredo. I have asked for the source. Something about the way Kate's hair is projected on her left side, that is suspect to me. If the photo comes down it is because of authenticity concerns. I did run it through search and an app that checks for photoshopping. It came up clean so far, but I will still check for source.

Oh I'm so lost now. First it's ivan. Then it's not. Then it's both of them. Now it's just Alfredo. And other cartel members. And why is Kate hanging around? I'm not ragging on (BB) it's all over that has me confused.

This is how Mexican government works. The throw versions in so many directions to confuse the public, media y la prensa. Confusing everyone is how they work to not leave a paper trail to any complicit government officials.

My best Educated Guess is that they went north to Sayulita or San Pancho......Lots of mansions to hide in. I am still convinced it is government related...UMMMM.... Maybe that's why it is called Narco Politico.

Or.... the Marina is just right there, and the took off in one of those European style Speedboat yachts. the kind with a helicopter landing pad. Those things are a dime a dozen in Mexico. I had a friend in Cabo back in 91'. His favorite line was:"On the dirty boulevard, everybody owes and everybody pays." Well looks like it is time to pay.

On his knees like a big old fat bitch! Where's the gold AK and grenades and engraved 38 super and kilos of coke and bottles of buchanans and that one stupid fuck el komander riding a horse with curly hair dancing in the background? Nombre all hoe ass propoganda these fools ain't been about shit since el m1 got murdered and they split from Los beltranes, real ass shoot em up bang bang men not these little pussies caught slipping

He's not dead yet. There hasn't been any foolish retaliations yet. Is it gonna be a full scale war between CDs and cjng or just chapos fraction, which won't last without support from the rest of CDs , I'm sure they are negotiating right now. Chapos good that. Maybe for the release of mencho Jr.

Funny thing is we will never know anything even if he is killed the gov may not release that info.We will never really know if it's a kidnap for ransom and whether or not it gets paid I don't think the Guzman's would make that public being involved in illegal activities.I don't think even a civilian would make that public so I really don't think we will ever know anything.It's not like you could interview Chapo and get the truth even if you could interview him.He could be returned but of course it would be under the radar and he would prefer everyone thinking him disappeared or he might be killed and we will never know although I'm sure like me we would all love to know.

Most Cartels in Mexico kidnapp people in public places no matter what time of day. That's no surprise. What I'm surprised the most about this Kidnapping is.. None of the kidnappers cover their faced or attempted to hide it.. and they let the women go.. why cover your face if you know the kidnappers.. it was Fake... to get the military and Government off their backs