A former LAPD detective and author is talking only to 10News about the search for Christopher Dorner.

Mike Rothmiller, who also co-authored "L.A. Secret Police," says Dorner reached out to a colleague of his on Feb. 9.

Mike Rothmiller spent 10 years with the LAPD. He says some of what Christopher Dorner states in his 6,000 word manifesto regarding the LAPD rings true.

“I was a detective and I was a sergeant and the issues that he describes regarding racism, brutality, corruption, internal affairs malfeasance, so forth... That is absolutely true," says Rothmiller. "I saw it firsthand."

Rothmiller believes Dorner's ultimate objective is to basically change the LAPD and get back at the people there. He is confident Dorner is alive and carefully plotting his next move.

“I received from a very, very reliable source that he did in fact contact somebody late [Saturday] afternoon,” said Rothmiller.

We promised not to disclose who Dorner contacted, but Rothmiller did say police were well aware.

Rothmiller says he thoroughly believes that, “perhaps over the last month or so he's been buying pre-paid disposable cell phones. He'll use them once, turn them off and discard them and virtually at that stage there's no way to track his location.”

Rothmiller thinks Dorner is simply waiting to spark a major confrontation.

Hopefully I don't have the mind of someone who'd go off the handle like this... and I haven't read his manifesto thing...

if he's truly dedicated to the asymentrical stuff, he'll firebomb a cop car, or take 1-shot sniper shots or something. The big shootout thing will just end it. The way to "win" this would be to stretch it out as long as possible costing the PD as much as possible. (time/effort is a cost) If the PD annoys/hurts enough people, he'd get his revenge when big shots get canned.

Hopefully I don't have the mind of someone who'd go off the handle like this... and I haven't read his manifesto thing...

if he's truly dedicated to the asymentrical stuff, he'll firebomb a cop car, or take 1-shot sniper shots or something. The big shootout thing will just end it. The way to "win" this would be to stretch it out as long as possible costing the PD as much as possible. (time/effort is a cost) If the PD annoys/hurts enough people, he'd get his revenge when big shots get canned.

Not likely. They've shot three people in the name of pursuing Dorner, none of whom matched at all the current descriptions of the guy. And no one at all's been suspended or seriously investigated for that. Hell, they already told the two women that bitches better shut up and be happy for getting a new used truck, or they'll get more bullets in their asses, so if that level of boobish incompetence does nothing, then nothing else will either, unless they Sandy Hook a preschool because they heard Lorna Doones were being given at snack and both things have a capital D.

Why are we overly concerned about a cop and his wife being killed? This has garnered far more attention than any two civilians being killed by one person. Even a known acquaintance. Hopefully we will see the NRA and the GOP come out and say that trying to prevent crimes like these are a waste of time an legislation.

Can someone write up a short primer about what is going on for those of us who are not american and hence don't have the context of this story?

I read most of this on HuffPo two nights ago because I saw the headlines, and was having trouble sleeping and hoped reading would help.

To summarise the various articles:

1) Black dude, ex-military

2) Becomes cop, but claims he doesn't get the proper pre-training, or something, for on site patrol, or whatever (even tho this guy is ex-military)

3) Claims there's still a lot of racismi) minority cops will pick on minority to get approval from their white majority bosses.ii) latino cops do the same, but also lament the illegal immigrants in spite of some of them coming from families who were once illegal immigrants

4) Had some discipline issues, was sent for re-training, and also was in front of board hearingi) Didn't show up for that board hearing, which is what the LAPD claimsii) Dorner claims otherwise, and also claims was dismissed to protect status quo of cops

5) Around this time Dorner files charges against partner for abusing powers, by kicking civiliani) Claims that the discipline charges were done in retaliation

6) At some point this escalates, not to the point of violence, but it's going down that path

7) Write a manifesto, some of it, or all of it on facebooki) Manifesto in its entirety can be read on line from various news agenciesii) I've read the manifesto. Seems a tad rambling, at the same time, also coherent. Gets oddly sentimental towards the end:ii x) Thanks celebrities, for some suggesting they stay the courseii xx) Thanks notable figures, including Michelle Obama for her efforts for healthy foodii xxx) Thinks cyclist are allowed to share the road, but should follow the rules - but also criticises cyclists whom dope

9) Journalism 101, get psycho-analysis donei) Dorner is a 'malignant narcissist'ii) Indirectly confirmed by report of an ex-girlfriend's posting on a website warning girls of guys not to date, on which she harshly criticises Dornerii x) Dorner is aware of this and is upset

10) Shot and killed three people. One was a cop, of which I forget the immediate relationship to this case. And the other two, the daughter and fiancé (iirc) of one of the cops involved in the dismissal case against Dorner.

11) Truck found burnt near Big Bear Mountain

12) 'Dorner could be hiding behind EVERY tree' (HuffPo headline that got me reading the article, and then read other related articles)

13) IIRC, around 40 possible targets, are all under police protectioni) One of them hasn't stepped out of the house in a few days

After that I stopped caring. And only reason why I remembered any of this is because I have a really good memory and I does reed reallly really well, and like, I comprehend what I reed. Meh, I tried to sound all red neck, but couldn't pull it off. But anyway, there it is in a nutshell. Hope that helps.

Blah blah blah, cry me a river. Guy got fired and has a grudge. This can happen anywhere. Of course, most people get on with their lives, they don't go psycho. Given this is all taking place in LA is giving the story a great context. It has taken on a larger than life grandeur. This story would be the perfect plot for Oliver Stone in the style of Natural Born Killers, or even the movie 15 Minutes (with Robert De Niro) where a pair of psycho's taunt the police by utilizing NEW media.

Look at the elements of this story, we have a disgruntled cop, racial issues, corruption and the cover-up in the police department, a betrayal of public trust, revenge, high powered guns, the MEDIA (24-7 news cycle), public fascination and hysteria, and the liberal use of VIOLENCE as a tool for change. It's altogether very American.

Can someone write up a short primer about what is going on for those of us who are not american and hence don't have the context of this story?

The Wikipedia article has a pretty good summary and timeline. Here is a copy of his manifesto, in which he explains the reasons for his actions.

PsionEdge wrote:

Why are we overly concerned about a cop and his wife being killed?

Dorner's first victims were the daughter of an officer/lawyer he had a grudge against, and her fiance. In his manifesto he alleged that the officer/lawyer was assigned by the union to represent him in the proceedings that led to him being fired, but that he wasn't given adequate representation and that his own lawyer sided against him with the department.

After that he opened fire on a police car, killing one officer and critically wounding another. The officers had been assigned to a security detail to protect other individuals, who they believed that Dorner might target.

As for why we care? While I tend to agree that the media occasionally puts outsize attention on certain incidents, it seems to me that a former cop hunting down and killing police officers and their families is a pretty big deal. Especially since it's not over, and we have no idea when and where he might strike again.

Dorner obviously had a valid complaint. The LAPD has been maligned as essentially a government-backed gang for at least two decades now, and nothing seems to have improved.

However, he totally destroyed his argument with the way he went about solving the issue. It's like he watched Assault on Precinct 13 when he should have been watching Serpico.

He needs to be taken in, but I don't see how he'll ever be taken alive. Even if he surrenders, he's going to have a cop-assisted suicide. Maybe if the feds get involved he might actually survive an arrest.

Blah blah blah, cry me a river. Guy got fired and has a grudge. This can happen anywhere. Of course, most people get on with their lives, they don't go psycho. Given this is all taking place in LA is giving the story a great context. It has taken on a larger than life grandeur. This story would be the perfect plot for Oliver Stone in the style of Natural Born Killers, or even the movie 15 Minutes (with Robert De Niro) where a pair of psycho's taunt the police by utilizing NEW media.

Look at the elements of this story, we have a disgruntled cop, racial issues, corruption and the cover-up in the police department, a betrayal of public trust, revenge, high powered guns, the MEDIA (24-7 news cycle), public fascination and hysteria, and the liberal use of VIOLENCE as a tool for change. It's altogether very American.

The reason the guy got fired is significant, though. He was, at least in his view, fired for not ponying up to the blue line, and instead being idealistic about his job's commitment to law and order, instead of violence and corruption. Unfortunately, his 'solution' is as vile and criminal as the actions of those he wanted to stop. It's as if he felt that to stop an evil, you'd have to be evil; a reaction which is perhaps, illogical, but understandable, all the same. Frankly, if this guy's rampage, and the fact that one ex-rookie has outsmarted and stayed ahead of all the cops in California, speaks volumes to me about something I often hear about cops. They rely on stupid criminals, the smart ones are too tough to catch. An enemy who is fully trained in their procedures, who has the luxury of time to plan ahead, and whose apparent singular purpose is to embarrass the police for kicking him out, for shaming him, for being unethical and whatever else his manifesto calls, is someone that they seem pretty unable to handle promptly, if at all. This guy might manage to disappear for years, only being caught a decade from now on a traffic stop or some similar stupid thing.

The accusations he makes in his manifesto sound plausible to me, however I tend to be fairly cynical when it comes to police abuse. That said FBI profilers have described him as a 'Pathological Narcissist', the type of person who sees himself as the perpetual victim and who blames others for all of his failures in life.

Those types of people also tend to stretch the truth or outright lie, in order to maintain their delusions. So while the allegations ring true to me, I'm honestly not sure what to believe.

I'm sure that aside from the violent tendencies, we all know milder forms of this type of person. The people we block and/or unfriend from Facebook, because they're constantly whining about the "drama" in their life. The people with no sense for how their actions directly lead to the drama they experience, and who see themselves as the victims in every situation.

Almost like a modern day LA Confidential...except with no heroes..well none yet anyway.

Probably because in real life there are no heroes. There are heroic acts in a given context, but mostly it's just human beings making it through another day, some with drama, most without.

As far as this guy goes, he has most likely written his own death sentence unless he surrenders prostrate on the ground meek as a lamb and even then with other murderous vengeful cops on the loose there are no guarantees.

He could have become a druggie or an alky to mitigate his problems but he chose to kill. The worst possible solution that is not a viable solution.

They said it was for the black man, they said it was for the mexican, and not for the white man.

But if you look at the streets it wasn't about Rodney King, It's bout this fucked up situation and these fucked up police. It's about coming up and staying on top and screamin' 187 on a mother fuckin' cop. It's not written on the paper it's on the wall. National guard??! Smoke from all around,

Let's just say that the LAPD has a long and storied history of not being popular. It's possible for this guy to be both right and wrong at the same time. Right, in that the LAPD has serious problems. Wrong, in that he's not the righteous vigilante he thinks he is.

Frankly, I'm less concerned about Dorner than I am about the LAPD, who cannot seem to tell the difference between a gray Nissan truck and a blue Toyota truck. They also seem to think that shooting innocents is fine. I seriously hope charges are pressed against the officers who shot and injured those ladies delivering newspapers, and they end up in prison where they belong.

Hopefully the FBI gets involved and manages to take Dorner alive. I think this will result in the underlying corruption issues being brought to light, rather than being swept under the floor.

Frankly, I'm less concerned about Dorner than I am about the LAPD, who cannot seem to tell the difference between a gray Nissan truck and a blue Toyota truck. They also seem to think that shooting innocents is fine. I seriously hope charges are pressed against the officers who shot and injured those ladies delivering newspapers, and they end up in prison where they belong.

Hopefully the FBI gets involved and manages to take Dorner alive. I think this will result in the underlying corruption issues being brought to light, rather than being swept under the floor.

Or, as I like to say, "BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM...FREEZE, LAPD!"

(also, when this broke on CNN last week, my buddy and I were watching it at the bar....and the banner/draping behind the police spokesman was a repeating pattern of the logo stating "joinlapd.com"

I drive a bright blue Tacoma similar to the one the LAPD shot up. Since I bought that color specifically because I liked how it stood out from other more normal colors, the idea of someone mistaking that with a gray pickup is ridiculous.

I can easily write off this guys actions as the result of mental illness, the actions of the LAPD on the other hand I can't. It's pretty hard to describe it as anything other then systemic power tripping.

It is disturbing how quickly the cops move to shoot the shit out of anyone or anything that remotely resembles the guy even when they're the wrong gender, color, build or same vehicle (which was torched anyway). I hope they pay out millions of dollars to the victims.

The Best/Worst part of all of this is that the Cops refuse to take responsibility for either incident. They still maintain that their officers did nothing wrong in firing 60 shots into a truck being driven by two Hispanic women or a frail old white guy.

^^We weren't sure what color the truck was. I kept hearing reports of a green truck, sometimes with cammo, usually not, then blue, then gray. It's hard to tell what color these officers had in mind.

In addition, they were on high alert already since they were actively protecting a target.

So, a blue pickup, in the dark, with its headlights off, with some kind of projectiles flying out a window, driving toward a home that is under police protection..

I can see how it happened. Again, that does not excuse their break in procedure, so I'm not justifying the shooting, but this is one of those times where the "how" and/or "why" is pretty easily identified; addressing them is going to be more difficult, especially for a department that seems incapable of reform.

They could have done many things before opening fire, such as attempting to pull the truck over, blocking its path with a police cruiser, etc. The fact that they opened fire (most likely without any warning) as their first measure is contemptible, even regarding the circumstances.

Also, the victim of the second truck shooting was white. And here I was thinking I was safe.

They could have done many things before opening fire, such as attempting to pull the truck over, blocking its path with a police cruiser, etc. The fact that they opened fire (most likely without any warning) as their first measure is contemptible, even regarding the circumstances.

Most definitely.

It's awkward writing the previous posts. I really don't want to defend the officers involved. They acted poorly, and they should be suspended for review (I thought I heard that they were, but this was radio and I cannot find a source online, so I won't make that claim), most likely terminated.

But none of that entitles us to making shit up.

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Also, the victim of the second truck shooting was white. And here I was thinking I was safe.

They actually did what you suggest, too, in ramming the truck. Who knew that your airbag could get your shot.

I don't care what the guy has done, you don't shoot unless you are in imminent danger. They have felony stop procedures for a reason.

Someone in the comments for a an article said this:

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Here's the deal; Shortly after these incidents, the shooting of these two ladies, and the open firing of the other innocent citizen, the authorities deemed CJ Dorner a Domestic Terrorist. What does this have to do with the open firing of the two innocent parties? (1). Being deemed a Domestic Terrorist now classifies Dorner an enemy combatant against the United States. He is now eligible to shot and killed on site. (2). He no longer has the protection of the common judicial process of which the main focus is to capture and prosecute. (3). Now because Dorner has been deemed a war combatant it gives rise to mirigating circumstances for the angencies that open fire on these two innocent parties. IE. the authorities have the green light to shoot first, ask questions later.