Gary Numan Digest Thu, 30 Nov 2000 Volume 2 : Issue 95
Today's Topics:
bickering and such
Check out My Breathing
Check out North American Gary Numan Fan Club Website, November 2000
Gary Numan Digest V2 #94 (5 msgs)
German(?) story on Pure Tour
Most creative albums
Poll: Telekon?, Tim Houtby, PURE Sales, In 3's, (2 msgs)
Pure lyrics
Tattoos
Tattoo You
there's something over there besides vengeance
Times Square DVD
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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 09:51:14 EST
From: STUSSY666@aol.com
Subject: bickering and such
To: digest@garynumanfan.nu
Wow, there is quite a bit of bickering here. Some people like some of Gary's
stuff, some like it all, some only like a few of the albums. Personally, I
would choose Replicas, Telekon and Tubeway Army as my top three. I like
almost every single album with the exception of everything put out after
bezerker and before sacrifice. Although this may sound nitpicky as well, from
a musical standpoint, the only real problem with exile is the drum loops. The
songs are great, but the backing beats are just too similar to really sell
the album as a whole. Anway... To address some of the issues that have come
up.
#1. Age. I'm 17 now, I've listened to gary numan since I was 12, all I needed
to hear to be hooked was AFE and DITP and I was good. I own all the studio
releases except for the Pleasure Principle, which I have to buy when I get
some money. My friend has listened to Fear Factory for 4 years, he heard
their Cars cover and now he listens to numan as well. I'm telling ya, we
young numanoids are out there; sometimes you just have to look hard.
#2. The MM/NIN connection. As much as I like them, some of NIN's stuff is
just too inacessible for me. Musically and lyrically, it's very thick music
that takes a lot of getting used to in the beginning. However, that hasn't
stopped me from buying most of their albums. To anyone who still doesn't own
a NIN album, I would recommend "Pretty Hate Machine" it's still my favourite
to date. It has that nice dark sound that fans of Sacrifice-Pure will like.
As for Marilyn Manson, what can I say? They're fricking amazing. I've been a
fan of them since 1994, I've seen them live 3 times (3rd time was just last
week) and they consistently build with every album. I think most numan fans
would like Mechanical Animals as an intro (it's the most synth heavy), but
once you get turned on to the MM sound, most people (myself included)
consider it his worst album. Everyone should own their first album, "Portrait
of an American Family" since it is hands-down one of the most campy/catchy
records ever produced. If someone out there has yet to hear the MM cover of
DITP, for god's sake! go and find in on napster or something. It's still one
of my all-time favorite Numan covers.
#3. Pure. It's new, it's clean, it's better than Exile. Yay for progress!
ohhh well, that's my two cents. I'm going back to lurking now. Take care.
Stuck here in Rochester, Ny,
-Erich
www.obscure.org/~mercury357/
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:34:18 EST
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:43:54 EST
From: Psgifford@aol.com
Subject: Check out North American Gary Numan Fan Club Website, November 2000
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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 03:16:55 EST
From: Numaniac@aol.com
Subject: Gary Numan Digest V2 #94
To: digest@garynumanfan.nu
In a message dated 11/26/00 12:14:58 AM Pacific Standard Time,
digest@garynumanfan.nu writes:
<< Aaaaaah! >>
excuse me, i meant SUNDAY MORNING. sorry
John
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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 03:26:55 EST
From: Numaniac@aol.com
Subject: Gary Numan Digest V2 #94
To: digest@garynumanfan.nu
In a message dated 11/26/00 12:14:58 AM Pacific Standard Time,
digest@garynumanfan.nu writes:
<< Subject: Change of email addy >>
actually i will be changing email addresses soon too. I will soon be changing
it to "ImAnAgent9984@cs.com" ...not my fault really. i loved my Numaniac sn.
No one get any funny idears about taking it either. i'm gonna' get it back
within six months anyway. on AIM atleast haha.
John
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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 03:42:42 EST
From: Numaniac@aol.com
Subject: Gary Numan Digest V2 #94
To: digest@garynumanfan.nu
In a message dated 11/26/00 12:14:58 AM Pacific Standard Time,
digest@garynumanfan.nu writes:
<< Subject: To all the "fans" >>
hell yeah, my words are best expressed through sean's last post. thanks again
Paddy. Keepin' the defense alive! :)
John
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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 13:13:16 -0600
From: "Patrick Bloofon"
Subject: Gary Numan Digest V2 #94
To: "Gary Numan"
In regard to the Age topic, I'm 17 and am a huge fan of Gary Numan. Although
oddly, it's not for his goth sound as you might suspect. I really don't like
goth music at all. I much prefer his earlier Replias/TPP/Telekon stuff.
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To:
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 2:00 AM
Subject: Gary Numan Digest V2 #94
>
> Gary Numan Digest Sun, 26 Nov 2000 Volume 2 : Issue 94
>
> Today's Topics:
> Aaaaaah!
> A few bits of stuff
> Age
> Album Poll
> Behead Britney I Say! Off With 'er 'ead!
> Change of email addy
> Chart positions
> Democrat Numan Fans and the next evolution
> dja webba?
> European tour programme
> Future Music Magazine on eBay
> more marilyn
> My butterfly ballot
> New mixes
> nightmares are real and deceiving
> NIN & Marilyn Manson.
> poll (2 msgs)
> ponderings
> Pure & Digest Posts
> Question
> Spread the word
> Stale?
> Stars-Numan/Robson wanted
> Stop it already!!
> thank you, antonio
> The Skin Game Rules
> Tik N Tok / Covers
> To all the "fans"
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 22:46:01 EST
> From: Numaniac@aol.com
> Subject: Aaaaaah!
> To: digest@garynumanfan.nu
>
> thanks Paddy for supporting my theory. perhaps i was too quick to judge in
my
> last digest post. I'm just very supportive of the new album and i honestly
> hate hate hate HATE hearing negative comments and such about it. doesn't
mean
> i hate the people that post them (not all the time atleast). and what i
was
> trying to get at by my last "complain" post is that i've heard your
> complaints, now hear mine. sure, it was a contradiction on my part. all
i'm
> tryin' to say is...despite whether it's to some people's likings or
> not...gary's doin' the finest he's done in years.
> On an extra note; why do people say stuff like "i had highly
anticipated
> the album and i heard such great news and i was given GREAT reviews but
when
> i got it and listened to it, i was horribly disappointed." ......who's
fault
> is that? honestly. sure, i'm not perfect. when i hear a good review i take
a
> person's word for it, but if it turns out i don't like the album....i
don't
> blame anyone but myself for being built. sorry people, this is how i feel.
i
> expect a lot of attacking posts come early sunding morn.
>
> John
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 01:28:12 -0000
> From: "Antonio"
> Subject: A few bits of stuff
> To: "Gary Numan"
>
> Some of my opinions on recent topics -
>
> Pure - Fantastic.
>
> NiN - Occasionally brilliant
>
> Marilyn Manson - Fun with bad make-up
>
> Goth - Catch-all description for anything even vaguley dark (used, even in
> the 80's, to describe everyone from Joy Division to The Smiths to Echo and
> the Bunnymen to The Cocteau Twins to The Cramps to The Cure to Depeche
> Mode...) - not so laughable, even in the UK. If your idea of Goth starts
at
> Bauhaus and ends at Suspira, then you won't appreciate just how diverse
the
> subculture really is. Gary Numan is only as Goth as Joy Division or The
> Smiths, but it's a genre he's going to be placed into, it has been for
> almost ten years now, since Goth finally embraced 80's synth music into
its
> clubs. Being called Goth is no bad thing any more - I admitted to it in
> 1985, when it really was laughable in the UK. But then, so was Gary
Numan,
> if you read the music press. And the thing to remember about music
> journalists is, they are a bunch of sad, ugly geeks. Having met several,
> including two remarkably sad and ugly looking blokes from Q magazine at a
> Numan convention (the article they later printed was all, 'ooh, look at
the
> Numanoids, they're all sad obsessives'... hmm, pot, kettle...) I can
> honestly say I am glad that I share no common ground with any of them.
>
> Age - Younger people *are* listening to and buying Numan music. The
reason
> Pure entered the charts in the usual position for a new Numan album then
> dropped out is because all the hardcore fans bought it in the week of
> release. Chart placing for this album is nothing. It's whether it
> continues to sell. I see younger goths dancing to tracks from Sacrifice
and
> Exile at clubs, I know several people, mainly Americans, from goth irc
> channels and newsgroups who love GN. It's not just the over 30's. Look
> around at the next gig - younger people do turn up. And they do buy the
> records, just not always immediately they are released. This is why the
> general trend in sales for Gary is actually going up - I have read recent
> intervies where he has said this - the overall sales of Sacrifice were
> better than those for Machine and Soul, and the sales for Exile were
better
> than those for Sacrifice. Hopefully Pure will continue this trend, in
time.
>
> Afrika Bambaataa - I believe any co-work this bloke does with Gary Numan
> would be amazing. Anyone remember when AB duetted with John (Johnny
Rotten)
> Lydon on Time Zone? It should not have worked, but it did. Anyway, AB's
> Planet Rock was an out and out sample of Autobahn, with rapping and
> scratching and swearing added. It was cool. Better than and more
> appropriate for an artist of Numan's cult status than co-work with people
> like Robert Palmer, or even Dubstar. Two true innovators together. If
only
> the old rumours of Tricky and Numan working together would come true...
>
> Antonio
> --
> I am a poseur and I don't care, I like to make people stare!
> (X-Ray Spex)
> http://www.goffboi.freeserve.co.uk
> AGF People page - creative work by AGFers! Submit stuff!
> http://www.goffboi.freeserve.co.uk/agf
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:56:02 +0000
> From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk
> Subject: Age
> To: Gary Numan
>
> John Numaniac KNOWS that there is a
> percentage of the teenage record-
> buying public that likes good music.
> If they like NIN or Manson, you tell
> them, that **this** is the man that
> Trent and Marilyn like... And tell
> them that PURE is even better!
>
> Paddy Vickers
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 07:30:07 -0800
> From: Thomas Nelson
> Subject: Album Poll
> To: digest@garynumanfan.nu (Gary Numan)
>
> Most creative and innovative Numan albums:
> #2) Pure
> #1) Telekon
>
> Numan's current sound: I really like the new album. I am an 8th
> Grade teacher and I play the album all the time at school. The
> students really like it. Some of the other teachers have asked about
> the music. When they find out it's Gary, the common response is "Oh!
> He's still around. Didn't he do 'Cars'?"
>
> The sound on the album seems stronger. Not just the music mind you,
> but the sound. The drums are crisper, the guitar has more bite, and
> there seem to be more layers of sound than his recent albums.
>
> As to the whole goth thing, I know that when I went to his San
> Francisco stop during the Exile tour, the whole club was jam-packed
> full of gothites. It was so much fun to see all of the different
> kinds of fans Gary has. I thought that Cleopatra was the perfect
> U.S. label for him.
>
> Lovesign,
>
> Thomas Nelson
> (Spooky Mizu)
>
>
>
>
> "...there are some experiences and intimations which scar too deeply
> to permit of healing, and leave only such an added sensitiveness that
> memory reinspires all the original horror."
> H.P. Lovecraft
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:12:28 +0300
> From: The Tik-Tok Man
> Subject: Behead Britney I Say! Off With 'er 'ead!
> To: Numan Digest
>
> In the previous Digest, Luc DE VISSCHER suggested that "It is clear that,
> the only way Numan could really chart again is in a duet with Britney (God
> save us from this)."
>
> Hang on. Actually this is a really cool idea Luc. They could duet in a
kind
> of Nick Cave/Kylie Minogue style video, where Numan could behead Britney
> Spears in slo-mo, with lots of blood gushing everywhere, like the infamous
> "Black Knight" scene in "Monty Python And The Holy Grail".
>
> That'd be sooo cool to see on MTV man.
>
> TikTokMan
> Endlessly listening to "My Jesus" and driving his poor Russian wife nuts
in
> Moscow
>
> PS: "Fallen" could have continued on into quite a funky track ???
> PPS: Numan: taxi music for the future. (eh Joey?)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 21:24:27 -0500
> From: "Tim"
> Subject: Change of email addy
> To: "Numan Digest"
>
> I hate to send this to the digest, but I've requested a change in address
> twice in as many weeks, and to no avail. PLEASE help someone.
> Remove address dwheeler@pathway.net
> Add to list timothy@pathway.net
>
> Tim
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:53:08 +0000
> From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk
> Subject: Chart positions
> To: Gary Numan
>
> All this about chart positions is my
> fault. 'Exile' charted at number 47,
> so I guessed, wrongly, that 'Pure'
> might come in higher. Apparently, it
> came in at 58, and since no-one has
> told us any different, probably went
> straight out again, as many records
> do.
>
> But, you cannot assume that a record
> has actually sold less copies because
> of that. Record sales vary, according
> to the economy, the state of the music
> industry, the time of year, etc. And
> of course promotion and distribution
> count. I nearly didn't get my copy
> in the first week! I had the last one
> from the last shop I could try!
>
> It will sell because most of us realise
> that this album will musically appeal
> to the main-stream rock fan, and I
> personally am telling such people so.
> Last night I discovered a lapsed
> Numanoid behind a shop counter. The
> last album he bought was 'Strange Charm'.
> And he hadn't HEARD any Numan track from
> the 90s. So I told him how good 'Pure'
> is, and I think my enthusiasm was what
> convinced him, because he announced
> that he was going to buy it. He DID,
> incidentally, already know the title,
> and know that it was supposed to be
> 'heavier' than Gary's older stuff.
>
> Spread the word....
>
> Paddy Vickers
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 11:07:22 -0600
> From: Michael S gean
> Subject: Democrat Numan Fans and the next evolution
> To: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU
>
> Can you really be a democrat and a Numan fan at the same time??? ;)
>
> BTW, I believe that Gary is building the skills he needs to drive the
> whole goth/industrial music scene in a new direction. "The Plan" a
> pretty Punk album, evolved into Telekon and Replicas--- light years
> ahead! I think we can expect to hear the same kind of evolution over the
> next few albums... I am looking forward to it!
>
> * (The Sparkle)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 07:27:14 -0800
> From: alecw
> Subject: dja webba?
> To: digest@garynumanfan.nu
>
> in a book about surnames, put out by broken arrow publishing, there's
> this entry for the name webster:
>
>
> Webster is a variation of the English occupational name Webb, who was a
> weaver, from early Middle English webb via Old English webba = to
> weave. By the time the name was adopted, the word webbe was almost
> obsolete, and the -ster and -er suffixes had found their place in the
> language, which led to Webster. Webbe, Webber and Web are variations.
> Noah Webster was the man behind the book where suffixes and prefixes are
> readily available, and was a descendant of John Webster, the governor of
> Conn (1656).
>
>
> i'd say that gary webb is still a weaver by occupation. he just does it
> with sound and (like noah) words now.
>
>
> best,
> alec
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 06:34:17 -0600
> From: Jeff Tolva
> Subject: European tour programme
> To: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU
>
> Fellow Numanoids,
>
> Can anyone who atteneded any of the European tour dates if there were was
a
> tour programme for the European leg of the Pure tour?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff Tolva (The Machman)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 13:53:14 -0800
> From: theartdept@mediaone.net (Rod Reynolds)
> Subject: Future Music Magazine on eBay
> To: digest@garynumanfan.nu
>
> Hello.
>
> I had such a hard time finding this magazine I bought an extra copy and
put
> it up on eBay. Gary is on the cover, five page interview plus cd rom tour
> of his studio and one track from the album. This copy is in mint
condition
> and has never been opened.
>
> If you're interested, the item number is 505627074 and it ends on Monday
> Nov 27th.
>
> Best wishes
> Rod
> Los Angeles
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:12:34 -0800
> From: alecw
> Subject: more marilyn
> To: digest@garynumanfan.nu
>
> dear numan gesters:
>
> thanks to all those who answered my question re:- have any numanoids
> been turned on to NIN or marilyn manson due to numan? i've said a few
> crass things about manson on this digest just because i like to see it
> written down but i honestly don't know much besides seeing his videos,
> hearing about the christian controversy, etc., and seeing him perform
> with gary. it's just i lived through kiss, alice cooper, new york dolls,
> boy george, dead or alive and others that he reminds me of. i liked
> that image manson had with the dark red bob, the numanesque facial
> expression, the gender bending torso and all those mannequins. that was
> nice. it reminded me of eno's here come the warm jets and the pleasure
> principle a little bit. there's obviously just so much to explore that
> lies within that kind of mindset/image/musical vantage point. i'll have
> to pay attention to him a little more. i tried to get into NIN. i got
> the first one with head like a hole on it because the cover reminded me
> of the old '80s caberet voltaire record covers. i also got the downward
> spiral. i don't understand it but parts of it i do like. the
> numanesque parts.
>
> it's also nice to hear from teenaged numan fans. it's a different numan
> that teenagers of now get than the numan of '79-'82. thinking on it,
> numan has always maintained the same singular sad yet majestic melodic
> style throughout the various changes in sound, bands, formats.
>
> more than one made a good point about numan changing and the music he
> makes changing with him--the music changing and numan's style changing
> as gets older, has more life experience, etc. yes, yes, it's good,
> good, good.
>
> i was turned on to beck because of numan. i didn't appreciate what i
> heard until mutations. very numan and yet very dylan, syd barrett, lee
> hazlewood, leonard cohen as well.
>
>
> i've listened to pure about 7 time now and what it reminds me of is one
> long musical statement with different stanzas--like a kind of mass,
> opera, or other long ceremony with 'religious' implications. it's all of
> one piece to me, addressing birth, death and all in between. a long
> tunnel--with dodi, henri paul, princess diana speeding along at 200 mph
> with you--of ancient moon ceremonies, obylisks, black hexagrams, eternal
> flames and ritualised sacrifice.
>
> best,
> alec
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 02:22:13 -0700
> From: "Joey Lindstrom"
> Subject: My butterfly ballot
> To: "Gary Numan"
>
> On Thu, 23 Nov 2000 01:00:06 MST, Ken Bryant wrote:
>
> >As you know, we're asking for your top two creative and innovative Numan
> >albums, ever. Please post your votes right here on the digest!
> >
>
> Most creative and innovative Numan albums:
> #1) Telekon
> #2) Pure
>
> Numan's current sound: I like it very much. It's still got that Numan
> sound
> in there! (didn't modify your comments because they jive with mine)
>
> Have I been turned on to other bands of this style because of Numan?:
> I'm still not into NIN - if you listen to too much, you feel the need
> to take a bath with a toaster. Manson I am starting to enjoy a lot.
> Similarly, I began listening to the Foo Fighters and Fear Factory more
> after listening to their Numan covers.
>
> >I hope this ballot is not too confusing for the Democrats in Florida.
>
> I still think most people around the world believe a "pregnant chad" is
> a guy who somehow developed a uterus...
>
>
> / From the desk of Joey Lindstrom
> /
> / I had never heard of the public's "right to know", a right that
> / cannot be found in the constitution but was sacrosanct in the second
> / half of the twentieth century.
> / -- Maureen Johnson, "To Sail Beyond The Sunset"
> / (Robert Heinlein)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 08:58:35 -0000
> From: thoutby@fusiongroup.co.uk (Tim Houtby)
> Subject: New mixes
> To: "Digest"
>
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> Hello all
>
> Theres a new mix of Prayer To The Unborn on Ostlans site. Pretty cool.
Heres
> the link:
>
> ( www.ostworld.freeserve.co.uk )
>
> PTHU is zipped so only takes a couple of minutes to download. 9 minutes
long
> too.
>
> Have fun.
>
> Tim.
>
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 10:25:57 -0600
> From: Val & Ben Iglar-Mobley
> Subject: nightmares are real and deceiving
> To: The Gary Digest
>
> Dear all,
>
> Gary has finally reached the Western shores. We've had an early snow
> here in Chicago, and the entire country feels a little colder. Somehow,
> unforeseen to us all, our election has descended into turmoil.
>
> I disagree with those of us who are complaining that this album is
> derivative and unadventurous. I love industrial music. Nails, 242,
> Ministry (when they WERE industrial), Nitzer Ebb. I don't see this as
> Gary following after the pack he's led; I hear it as him following his
> own black heart. This is the music he loves and finds most interesting;
> these are the sounds he wants to create. Just like I've enjoyed Bowie
> taking on new styles that suit him now. Bless them for continuing to
> expand as artists. I love that Gary has become industrial. He was
> having foreplay with it for his entire career, now he's finally having
> intercourse with it. I must admit I'm a bit stymied to see the goth
> connection-- not all industrial is goth, and not all goth is industrial.
> 'Exile' still had elements from the gothic cathedrals. To my ears this
> one is pure industry. (And where is the heavy metal connection? Fast
> and loud do not a heavy metal album make.)
>
> With that said... can I also say I'm disappointed?
>
> Much as I love machine music, on this album I get the machine part but
> where's the music? Most of what I hear are synth rhythms and either
> screaming or whispering. Even banging on metal piping can produce a
> melody; where is the heart and feeling of the songs? I appreciate that
> Gary enjoyed the power of his live band and wanted to reproduce that
> quality on his album, but in striving for bombast he's lost a lot of
> what's "song" about the songs. I even followed Clea's advice: played it
> through once, felt disappointed, walked away from it, came back later
> and played it again and again. I'm still waiting to be carried away.
> I'm amazed that others are having a hard time deciding whether this one
> is better than 'Exile.' Replica79 was right; this IS the most
> uninteresting album since 'Exile'! (Of course, it's also the most
> INTERESTING album since 'Exile' as well... and the most musical, and the
> most diverse, and the most monolithic... since it's the ONLY album since
> 'Exile'! Just razzing you, Garrett! I guess you decided to stick
> around after all?)
>
> One thing I have to say for this album I'm surprised no one has thanked
> Gary for yet: the production quality is clear again. Maybe he got the
> message and ditched those Tannoy Little Golds? Big sigh of relief. So
> far, though, about the only song that's really stood out for me is
> "Fallen." I think that would make a great intro number for his coming
> tour. And, yes, whoever said that "Listen To My Voice" sounds like Gary
> TRYing to write a single was right, but it should still be the one to
> get tapped for an a-side, if any of these songs are. I don't hear much
> single material on this album; that's about the only one that is at all
> catchy.
>
> Another refreshing note about this album: it ends on a fast one. Gary
> hasn't done that since 'Human,' and hasn't done that on one of his
> conventional albums since 'Berserker.' Enough with the ballad outros!
> "I Can't Breathe" is a great finale. And if nothing else, this set is
> great concert ammunition.
>
> King Rich has pointed out that Gary seems to stick with a sound for
> about three albums then moves on to something else. I was looking over
> the past 20 albums, and that does pretty consistently seem to be the
> pattern. 'Sacrifice,' 'Exile' and 'Pure' do form a tight little
> triumverate; any bets on whether Gary'll give us a fourth?
>
> . . .
>
> And now finally Nails have shown us the strength of their "Metal."
> Quite an excellent rendition it is, too. Makes me wonder why they/he
> kept it under wraps so long? 'Things Falling Apart' is a great album; I
> recommend it to any industrially-inclined numanoid, and it's a great
> bargain alternative to 'The Fragile' which I passed on. (That's three
> times Nails have released an album only to follow it up with an album-
> lengthed set of remixed versions. I get the impression Trent Reznor is
> either a meddler who can't leave his compositions alone, or he just
> enjoys putting sonic weirdness together, be they compositions or
> DEcompositions.)
>
> love and clanging steel,
>
> Ben
> http://home.earthlink.net/~iglarmobley
>
> * * *
>
> "Everything in the world is either percussion... or a mallet."
> --David Van Tieghem
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 09:15:46 -0000
> From: "replicant 79"
> Subject: NIN & Marilyn Manson.
> To:
>
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>
> Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="iso-8859-1"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>
> Numanoid.
> Prior to the Numan mentioning NIN /MM, I hadn't heard any of their =
> stuff.
> I went out and bought 'FRAGILE' and 'MechAnimals'.
> Loved both.
> In the last 6 months I have bought all of Manson's albums, and 3 NIN =
> albums.
> Love 'em.
> Can't wait till the Manson tour hits Manchster.
>
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>
>
> > http-equiv=3DContent-Type> > > > > > Numanoid.
> Prior to the Numan mentioning NIN /MM, = > I hadn't=20 > heard any of their stuff.
> I went out and bought 'FRAGILE' and=20 > 'MechAnimals'.
> Loved both.
> In the last 6 months I have bought all = > of Manson's=20 > albums, and 3 NIN albums.
> Love 'em.
> Can't wait till the Manson tour hits=20 > Manchster.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 23:11:53 EST
> From: Numaniac@aol.com
> Subject: poll
> To: digest@garynumanfan.nu
>
> ok, my top two voted albums for creative and innovative (whatever that
word
> was) are:
> 1)The Pleasure Principle (c'mon...it's what got me hooked)
> 2)Pure
>
> why pure? i've grown to love it THAT much. and out of all the stuff he's
> done, i find it to have the catchiest songs. "hey bitch! this is what you
> are..etc.." come on...that's catchy shit right there. my and my friend
(non
> numan friend that bought pure) sing pure songs all the time.
> anyway, enough of my fight to keep good reviews alive. my other 3
favorites
> are:
> 3)Telekon
> 4)Replicas
> 5)Tubeway army
>
> John
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 10:08:43 +0000
> From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk
> Subject: Poll
> To: Gary Numan
>
> My vote:
>
> Most creative TWO albums. Unfair!
> There's several.
> #2) Telkon
> #1) Replicas
>
> BUT THEY WERE YEARS AGO! RIGHT NOW
> I ACTUALLY PREFER 'PURE'.
>
> Numan's current sound: Brilliant. He's
> taught the others so much! 'Rock Sound'
> magazine says: 'This record is as
> important as all those records that are
> name checked as influential!'
>
> Have I been turned on to other bands of
> this style? Well, a bit. My daughter,
> at the age of about 14, brought me some
> earphones and said she thought I would
> like this record. They're called Nine
> Inch Nails, and the man sits in his
> studio and records everything himself,
> just like Gary Numan. And it's similar
> in a way, and I think you'll like it...'
> She could tell at 14, that Trent Reznor
> was following in Gary's synthsteps.
>
>
> One criticism of Ken's analysis. Just
> because something is the most creative
> and innovative does not mean it's
> someone's favourite. Stravinsky's
> 'Rites of Spring' is creative and
> innovative, but I'd rather listen to
> Gary Numan....
>
> Paddy Vickers
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 23:07:14 EST
> From: Numaniac@aol.com
> Subject: ponderings
> To: digest@garynumanfan.nu
>
> i know about 2 or 3 people that have numan tattoos. i have yet to get one
but
> i plan to in a year or so. anyone have any suggestions. i'm most likely
> gonna' get the numa label or a PP pyramid.
>
> John
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:48:44 +0000 (GMT)
> From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Paul=20Denman?=
> Subject: Pure & Digest Posts
> To: digest@garynumanfan.nu
>
> PURE
> ====
>
> I've only had time to skim-read the last Digest, but I
> can't believe that ANY Numan fan is complaining about
> the latest album!!!
>
> Sure, it's not as 'synthy' as PP, Rep or Telekon. If
> you want to stick in the 80's go see a revival tour or
> something.
>
> Pure is class!! It's the finest album he's ever done,
> period!
>
> Catch up, or jump off the bus!!!
>
> And for my second rant...
>
> DIGEST POSTS
> ============
>
> WILL ALL GUILTY PARTIES ****STOP**** SENDING EMAILS IN
> HTML FORMAT.... PLEASE!!!!!
>
> Or in other words:
>
>
>
> Stop sending Emails in HTML Format!!!
>
>
>
> :-)
>
>
> Rants over!
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk
> or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 13:46:8 +00
> From: numanoid@talk21.com
> Subject: Question
> To: digest@garynumanfan.nu
>
> Are there any Numan fans out there that became Numan fans because of
Manson/NIN????
>
> Gp
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 14:56:39 +0100
> From: luc.de_visscher@ch.Novartis.com
> Subject: Spread the word
> To: digest@garynumanfan.nu (Gary Numan)
>
> In the previous digest, Joey Lindstrom wrote:
>
> "What pisses me off about this is that NON-NUMANOIDS LOVE THIS ALBUM
> WHEN THEY GET THE CHANCE TO HEAR IT"
>
> and Terry Burke wrote:
>
> "So far I have sold 3 copies of "Pure" by playing the promo CD that
> Spitfire Records mailed to me. The customers who hear it all ask, "who=
>
> is this?" and are VERY surprised that it's
> Numan. Most of them thought he vanished years ago, and so far each has=
>
> bought a copy of the CD. My goal is to sell at least 10 copies by
> January 2001."
>
> Been there, done that. Indeed, as I already said, I bought 10 copies of=
>
> Pure about 1 month ago, and sold 9 of them (yep, I did keep one for mys=
> elf
> ;-) ). Meanwhile, I bought another 2 in addition.
>
> It is my experience also that whoever listens to Pure, is interested in=
>
> buying it. That is why i always have spare copies with me, so that I ca=
> n
> say "Oh, by the way, I still have an extra copy, do you want it?". And
> indeed, I do purchase a lot of numan CDs for other people.
>
> I also did send a friend of mine in Switzerland to a Numan concert, and=
> his
> comments were as follows:
> "I just came home from my first Gary Numan concert ever! What an intens=
> e
> show! I loved every minute of it (although I'm almost deaf now)! Except=
> for
> one I knew all songs - thanks to the CDs and tapes you gave me. My
> favourites tonight:
>
> 1. Down in the Park (!!!)
> 2. My Jesus
> 3. Pure
>
> I think that the playlist was the same as the one in K=F6ln. And as in =
> K=F6ln,
> there were not more than 300 people. But nevertheless the atmosphere wa=
> s
> great (lots of hardcore fans right at the stage in trance). Numan seeme=
> d to
> be happy, played 3 encores (2 songs each). The sound quality didn't see=
> m to
> be as bad as you experienced it two days ago, but the mixing wasn't as
> clear
> as it could have been. I liked Numan's band, most of all the guitar pla=
> yer
> who danced like a maniac! Great haircut! The musicians and Numan didn't=
>
> only
> play the music, they lived it.
>
> My friend, who didn't know any of the songs, liked the concert, too. We=
>
> listened to the "Pure" CD on the way into town and back, and he wanted =
> to
> keep it in his car for tomorrow when he will have to drive a lot to vis=
> it
> some customers. Who knows, perhaps we have another Numan fan here."
>
> Promising, isn't it?
>
> Greetings to all of you, and maybe I'll meet some of you in Brussels on=
> the
> 29th!
>
> Luc De Visscher
> THE NUMAN FACTOR
> BELGIUM=
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 09:43:15 +0000
> From: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk
> Subject: Stale?
> To: Gary Numan
>
> I think that the idea that PURE is
> 'stale' is very odd. It is different
> from Replicas or Telekon, and it
> does not have the same type of impact
> that the soaring synths probably had
> on many of the Digesters.
>
> But the songs are very tuneful, and the
> background twiddly bits are amazing.
> The 'metal-meets-electronica' in 'Pure',
> 'Listen To My Voice', etc., are
> heavenly. I wake up in the morning and
> bits of 'Torn' or 'My Jesus' are going
> through my head.
>
> One of the excellent qualities of this
> record is that it **improves** on NIN
> etc., because of the sheer quality of
> the melody lines.
>
> Rep79, chill out. Adopt an alter ego
> as Rep00.
>
> Yours Purely,
> Paddy Vickers
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 07:07:34 EST
> From: OXENHAMJENMAR@aol.com
> Subject: Stars-Numan/Robson wanted
> To:
>
> Digesters,
>
>
> Does anyone have a copy on either Minidisc or CD,Stars,the Numan-Nikki
Robson
> Collaberation?
>
> I will purchase or provide a trade on any format you wish.CD or
MD/cassette.
>
> Please mail me with your wants.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Jenmar
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:29:51 +0000
> From: Dryad
> Subject: Stop it already!!
> To: digest@garynumanfan.nu (Gary Numan)
>
> People with HTML coding - PLEASE TURN IT OFF
>
> Clea, going mental from reading all of tha crap
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2000 23:03:45 -0600
> From: "jared cook"
> Subject: thank you, antonio
> To: digest@garynumanfan.nu
>
> Hey, just wanted to give thanks to Antonio for the heads up regarding
the
> Yangtse Tong AFE cover a few digests back (at least i think it was
antonio).
> I thought it was a fairly good version.
>
> And if anyone else out there has done a cover, please let us here on the
> digest know about it! I love that stuff. Yes, that includes anyone who
was
> on the abandoned R3 projekt, 'cause those short samples from
garynumanfan.nu
> just aren't enough.
>
> jared
>
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>
> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 15:48:14 +0300
> From: The Tik-Tok Man
> Subject: The Skin Game Rules
> To: Numan Digest
>
> Just in case there's some Numanoidz out there who;
>
> 1. Aren't interested in ridiculous, unrelated and unproductive religious
> debates,
>
> 2. Aren't bashing "Pure",
>
> I thought you might like to know that I looped the entire opening section
of
> "The Skin Game", before the vocals kick in, and used it for a corporate
film
> that I produced here for a huge multi-national corporation's sales
> conference. It was a motivational film about going that extra bit to win,
so
> for an intro, I edited funky shots of Russian athletes from the Sydney
> Olympics winning their gold medals to the track, and when the finished
film
> was screened on a huge video screen at one of Moscow's 5 star hotels, it
> received a rousing applause from the 300 Russian sales managers from
across
> the country. Big sound. Big stereo effect.
>
> Ha! Nobody realised that they had just been entertained by Mr. Numan
> himself!
>
> TikTokMan
> Deep under the snows of Moscow
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 17:49:53 -0500
> From: Matthew Roberts
> Subject: Tik N Tok / Covers
> To: Gary Numan
>
> Should just clarify that my last post was light hearted. A little too lig=
> ht
> hearted.
>
> I have NOT been ripped off on the Tik N Tok CD. I just haven't received i=
> t
> yet. I will contact Tim to see if he got my che(que/ck).
>
> Subconciously, perhaps I was a little pissed that I didn't yet have TNT's=
> A
> Child With The Ghost on CD, as I am in the course of creating a Mini Disc=
>
> compilation of the best Numan covers:
>
> NIN
> Marilyn Manson
> Foo Fighters
> Moloko
> Damon Albarn
> Jimi Tenor
> Gravity Kills
> The Magnetic Fields
> EMF
> The Orb
> Jesus Jones
> Earl Brutus
> Keneckie
> Dubstar
> Armand The Vampire Van Heroes
> Pop Will Eat Itself
> St Etienne
> Republica
>
> Who apart from Gary Numan can boast a list like that (even if Rosin(?)
> Murphy is a silly person).
>
> If only The Pet Shop Boys, The Smashing Pumpkins, Tori and Dame David had=
>
> obliged, it would be damn near perfect.
>
> Matthew Roberts
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 18:41:14 -0500
> From: "Sean Caszatt"
> Subject: To all the "fans"
> To: "Gary Numan"
>
> You know, I find it very distressing that no one in the digest ever seems
> happy with what Gary's doing now or with what he's done in the past
(unless,
> of course, it was during that time between 1978 and 1982 that he could do
no
> wrong.)
>
> Before Sacrifice, people were complaining about the female background
> singers and overuse of the saxophone (among other things.) Then Gary got
> rid of that stuff and people began complaining about the sound quality of
> Sacrifice. For Exile, the sound was improved...and then people started
> complaining about the use of drum loops and the anti-God lyrics. So, for
> Pure, Gary got more creative with the percussion and toned down the
> religious lyrics while keeping an excellent sound mix.
>
> Guess what? People are still bitching. For all the bitching people do
and
> all the improving Gary's been doing, we ought to be thankful he even
records
> any more. If his "fans" can't seem to support him, who will? For crying
> out loud, no artist is ever going to be "perfect." Pointless whining
about
> what's not ours to change won't gain anything for anyone, so why not just
> enjoy the music and shut up? If you don't like Pure, sell it to someone
> who'll like it and don't go see the tour. I will gladly take your place
> near the front of the stage. I think Pure is one of the best albums
Gary's
> done in years.
>
> I think that, like any artist, Gary's had his ups and downs. Reading the
> opinions in the digest, people could get the impression that Gary's been
in
> a slump since "Cars." That's pretty damn sad, since we're supposedly so
> loyal.
>
> Gary's better to his fans than 99.9% of other musicians. Can we please
quit
> the complaining and celebrate the man's music?
>
> ------------------------------
>
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 09:57:40
From: "ian blair"
Subject: Gary Numan Digest V2 #94
To: digest@garynumanfan.nu
The Tik-Tok Man asked/stated...
"PS: "Fallen" could have continued on into quite a funky track ???"
Well it did??? It turns/blends into 'Listen To My Voice'.
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Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 23:30:20 -0800
From: Mark
Subject: German(?) story on Pure Tour
To: Gary Numan
I found this while doing a Google search on the internet. Looks like a
German online look at Numan and his German Pure Tour.
http://www.bloom.de/articles/article_000411.htm
Enjoy!
Mark Hubbard
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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 21:49:13 -0000
From: Steve Perryman
Subject: Most creative albums
To: 'Gary Numan'
Gary's most creative albums in my opinion are:
1. The Pleasure Principle
2. Tubeway Army
"Tubeway Army" for its imagery. "The Pleasure Principle" for its unique
sound.
The other albums were just progressions from those, except perhaps
"Sacrifice" which would probably come in 3rd.
"Pure" just has too many industrial rock cliches to rate among Gary's best.
Having said that, I don't really care. It sounds great, and I would
rather listen to it now than any of the earlier albums.
Steve
------------------------------
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 02:46:12
From: "Mark Darmofal"
Subject: Poll: Telekon?, Tim Houtby, PURE Sales, In 3's,
To: digest@garynumanfan.NU
Alot of the posts on the poll have been listing Telekon as being 1 of the 2
most creative and innovative albums in his career. I was surprised to see
Telekon ahead of Replicas, as Replicas was the breakthrough album. Would
someone (Joey?) care to expand on why they think Telekon is higher than
Replicas in this regard?
Tim, thanks for the good point about Little InVitro. While a great song, I
have not been listening to it that much b/c initially, its too personal a
song.
It's not realistic to expect a huge jump in album sales the first week. How
is the press coverage for the new album in the UK?
In the US, I have not seen reviews in Rolling Stone or Spin. I did see a
review of it in Future Music giving it a 9/10 and also tapping Listen to My
Voice as the obvious single choice. In the absence of major media attention
(airplay), album sales will improve by a) quality of the music and b) word
of mouth.
As most of us agree Gary's albums come in 3's, most of us would say
his Sacrifice to PURE 3 is much better than Metal Rhytm to M&S, in fact it's
just as strong as the first 3, Replicas to Telekon. So you have the quality
of the product and the word of mouth does not happen overnight. But from
past posts here, there are people listening to PURE who have not listened to
Gary extensively before this album.
I agree with Sean's 11/24 post b/c I remember all the unhappiness on the
Digest during the period pre-Sacrifice. The last three albums have been a
return to form from M&S. Anyone who wants to complain about PURE needs to
turn up their stereos really loud, put in Machine and Soul and listen to the
whole disc in one sitting. Machine & Soul isn't necessarily that bad, but
it does not sound like him.
Mark
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 02:46:56
From: "Mark Darmofal"
Subject: Poll: Telekon?, Tim Houtby, PURE Sales, In 3's,
To: digest@garynumanfan.NU
Alot of the posts on the poll have been listing Telekon as being 1 of the 2
most creative and innovative albums in his career. I was surprised to see
Telekon ahead of Replicas, as Replicas was the breakthrough album. Would
someone (Joey?) care to expand on why they think Telekon is higher than
Replicas in this regard?
Tim, thanks for the good point about Little InVitro. While a great song, I
have not been listening to it that much b/c initially, its too personal a
song.
It's not realistic to expect a huge jump in album sales the first week. How
is the press coverage for the new album in the UK?
In the US, I have not seen reviews in Rolling Stone or Spin. I did see a
review of it in Future Music giving it a 9/10 and also tapping Listen to My
Voice as the obvious single choice. In the absence of major media attention
(airplay), album sales will improve by a) quality of the music and b) word
of mouth.
As most of us agree Gary's albums come in 3's, most of us would say
his Sacrifice to PURE 3 is much better than Metal Rhytm to M&S, in fact it's
just as strong as the first 3, Replicas to Telekon. So you have the quality
of the product and the word of mouth does not happen overnight. But from
past posts here, there are people listening to PURE who have not listened to
Gary extensively before this album.
I agree with Sean's 11/24 post b/c I remember all the unhappiness on the
Digest during the period pre-Sacrifice. The last three albums have been a
return to form from M&S. Anyone who wants to complain about PURE needs to
turn up their stereos really loud, put in Machine and Soul and listen to the
whole disc in one sitting. Machine & Soul isn't necessarily that bad, but
it is considered the least Numanish album.
Mark
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Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 12:09:34 -0600
From: Mark Hartlaub
Subject: Pure lyrics
To: digest@garynumanfan.nu
>Recently Mark wrote:
>Well, speaking for myself, as someone who I do not think has ever really
>complained about any Numan music here, I see the digest as a discussion
>group, and not a Praise Shrine only.
Well said - I totally agree. I like Pure well enough, but I don't connect
to the lyrics. As a fan for 20 years, I've always enjoyed Gary Numan
because of his lyrics and voice, not so much for the music. I think Pure
is musically superior to Exile because it's a little more varied, but the
lyrics just don't speak to me. I'm not criticizing the lyrics; obviously,
many fans are delighted with this direction. I think "Sacrifice" was more
varied, "Exile" was a piece of fiction, but "Pure" strikes me as just angry
and cold. "Replicas", "PP", and "Dance" had lyrics which are among the
best I've ever heard. Even through the mediocre years there were gems on
"The Fury", "Metal Rhythm", and "Outland".
Anyway, I'll support Gary wherever he goes musically and lyrically, but
I'm one fan who is hoping for a change in lyrical direction.
-Mark
"I still believe that great American smile"
------------------------------
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:02:23 +1000
From: David Pipe
Subject: Tattoos
To: digest@garynumanfan.nu
>From: Numaniac@aol.com
>Subject: ponderings
>i know about 2 or 3 people that have numan tattoos. i >have yet to get one
but
>i plan to in a year or so. anyone have any
>suggestions. i'm most likely
>gonna' get the numa label or a PP pyramid.
John -
I've had a Numan tattoo for about 2 years now. I got the Celtic (or so I'm
told) symbol from the Exile cover tattoo'd on my left calf. Numan fans think
it's awesome (even showed it to Gary and Gemma on the Exile European tour),
and non-Numan fans who've never seen the symbol think it's VERY cool. I'm very
happy with it and think it makes a cool looking tatt.
Let us all know what (and where) you decide...
- David Pipe
Numanoid Yank Livin' large down under, wondering who my next President will
be...
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Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 13:28:18 -0500
From: dilidali@corecomm.net
Subject: Tattoo You
To: digest@garynumanfan.nu
To John -
I have a tattoo, but it is of a gnome. I have often thought of what
I would do to show my "Numaness" and thought a small tattoo of the
Telekon symbol in red would be darling on the shoulder. But then, I
have been thinking about this same tattoo for over 9 years now. Me
thinks it remains a pipedream unless someone is willing to tattoo me for
free. (Or at least in exchange for some lengthy tarot readings.) ;)
My list of the most innovative Numan albums:
1) Replicas
2) Sacrifice
3) Dance
Tammy Botzum
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:28:23 -0600
From: Val & Ben Iglar-Mobley
Subject: there's something over there besides vengeance
To: The Gary Digest
> What sounds like "You Horror", is actually "Help Me" in reverse.
Dave, how could "you you you horror horror" be "help me" backwards?
Wouldn't "help me" backwards be "em pleh"?
> Can you really be a democrat and a Numan fan at the same time??? ;)
Yes, Michael. It's not hard to do.
Gary's music is very left-of-center. It's alienated and stands in
juxtaposition from mainstream pop music. It's on the fringe.
The Democrats and the left have long been the political home for the
alienated, for the disenfrachised, for the fringe, for people
marginalized, excluded, or oppressed by the mainstream.
Whatever Gary's own political views, his music and his artistry fit in
quite tidily on the left.
> With that said... can I also say I'm disappointed?
Okay, since writing that I've played the album again... while I was
having wild, monster, gargantu-sex. And I loved this album during it!
I think this music feeds on primal, fevered emotion, so let me just
recommend it for anybody who's having sex on the edge.
love,
Ben
http://home.earthlink.net/~iglarmobley
* * *
"There are no atheist Democrats in Washington today."
--Daniel Weiss, political director for the Sierra Club
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Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 16:53:29 -0600
From: Dave Carlson
Subject: Times Square DVD
To: "Numan Digest (E-mail)"
Just a note...the movie "Times Square", which features the "demo"
version of "Down In The Park" on the soundtrack, was released on DVD
this week (U.S. only). In case you're planning to check it out, the
lowest price I found was $15.90 shipped at
http://www.800.com/mv/movietitle.asp?p=5059409
It apparently has director's commentary, as well as trailers, so perhaps
Gary will get a mention in the commentary as well.
Dave
dcarlson@dpg.devry.edu
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