Today, middle of it one man started to shoot with a gun at one Finnish school. 7 got killed (situation now) and 12 injured.
6 students and one teacher meeted their last schoold day ever. Where the hell is this world goin on?

This is the dumbest argument i have ever heard. An axe is a tool, who's purpose are e.g. chopping wood. A gun is a weapon who's purpose is killing, or threatening with death. Before guns they had other weapons.

It's not the gun's fault, that's true, but i do find it shocking that there are about 2 million guns in a population of 5 million. Even teenagers have legal access to guns :S

This is the dumbest argument i have ever heard. An axe is a tool, who's purpose are e.g. chopping wood.

Whackity Whack whack. If you say that a gun's only purpose is to kill or threaten with death, then you can say the same for axes. Its a obscure fact about me that I'm a dead shot with any fire-arm I pick up. A gun is a tool that's purpose is to shoot bullets. At what is your decision. What would you say about a bow and arrow?

It's not the gun's fault, that's true, but i do find it shocking that there are about 2 million guns in a population of 5 million. Even teenagers have legal access to guns :S

Listen to the song "Teenagers" by My Chemical Romance. We'll pick back up on that comment after you hear it from them.

Yes, I do, and I understand. I don't approve, but I understand. To understand you'd have to have barely survived1 high school in the first place. I went to school at a redneck school full of dumb, superstitious fools — who didn't need gun or a bomb to make a death threat — or beat you close to death. And since the staff of the school was a majority of dumb, superstitious fools thought they were right to do so.

In schools where superstition is not a factor, there's still the "good old boys" of the privileged that applies whose kids get away with anything. And let me tell you, kids are cruel.

Anyway, the reason this keeps happening again and again is because the people who bring guns to schools do not have enough support to get enough people together to break the arms of those who need their arms broken. Why do we hear about it more? Well, back in the day, the priviliged were not as wussy as they are today and just outright knifed you (btw, the fonz is a gang stereotype perverted into "goodness", if you didn't know). And if someone knifed anyone who was not white and protestant — nobody cared. (Oh, and please realize, I'm talking about the US here, not sure how it is there.)

—hartnell

Footnotes

1. Survived here means the qualitative difference of living over dying.

You do paint a grim picture, i fear is very accurate. Although i haven't lived it, i can imagine how people can be brought to the edge where dying outweighs the value of living. Having nothing to loose, or having nothing to live for. Kids are cruel, that's why i am sad that teenagers have such "easy" access to guns. Being at the bottom of the "food-chain" at my equivalence of your high school, i have also wanted to "liquidate" people. But such a thing i could never do because i am not used to death, people being killed, guns, violence, etc. etc. This is why i am kinda shocked that this is happening on this side of the pond. I guess the entire world is deteriorating, at least for some people :(

It's always been that way. Here in america we had a group known as the KKK running around on the street hanging black people. The KKK killed more people than Saddam Hussien ordered to be killed. That was 40 years ago. And this is a "deterioration"?

This whole idea that humanity has changed somehow boggles my mind. It's like an urban myth that won't die.

It's like saying the bow and arrow was invented for the sole purpose of hunting (killing) animals only. Paleolitic peoples of all stripes have always had brutal wars — with bows, arrows, stones, sticks, or just a swift kick in the nose.

I agree with u9. Axe is a tool, it was invented that man can knock down a tree and build a house of it or get warm by fire. Man used spear and bow for hunting at era when we did not even had language to speak. They were invented to survive, not to kill other man.
Gun(s) was invented only because man needed easier, faster and frightening (in eyes of "enemy") way to kill another man. Not because of hunting, not to survive mankind, just for pure killing of another man.

As told above, only purpose of gun is to kill a another man or scare him with possibility to get killed. You cant use gun actually for anything else.

Man is the one who pulls the trigger so why man has such a thing as gun? Because man enjoys the feeling of gun and what it gives. So guns are decease which makes sick man cabable to create hes sick thoughts. Or actually it gives a soil for seeds of madness.

And if someone knifed anyone who was not white and protestant

True, but still "power" between a handgun and knife is totally different thing. Knife was not also originally invented to kill another man, it was a tool. A real tool what gun has not never been.

Anyway, the reason this keeps happening again and again is because the people who bring guns to schools do not have enough support to get enough people together to break the arms of those who need their arms broken.

This has nothing to do with this case, and who can judge who's arms should be broken? You? Me?

Anyway, 8 deads. One was 25 years old single mother of 3 and 5 years old kids and actions of schoolmistress propably saved tens of young lifes but cost her own life. Also 6 young students were killed. I dont see point to argue anymore. No one comes back life from that school anymore.

This has nothing to do with this case, and who can judge who's arms should be broken? You? Me?

How far has justice gone that it's been so deluded that people are no longer responsible for themselves?

Anyway, 8 deads.

Not everyone is innocent. If you want to go for the media sob-fest that's fine. Just try to remember there were things that went on behind the scenes that we can never know. All we can do is speculate, as we have been doing. —hartnell

There is NOTHING anyone can do that gives the right to take someone else's life! (that's of course by my book, others are of different opinions, e.g capital punishment advocates). I even dis-agreed with killing Sadam, in fact i was disgusted by it.

I'm going to sound very cold, but I see the execution of Sadam as a severe political mistake — and that's about it. Why else should I care.

I just re-read that article and I believe that I can honestly say what happened. He was a puppy driven mean. It happens with people too. Whose fault is that? Chances are the whole school was in on it. It happens. And people bear the natural consequences of their actions, just as it's natural that a kid gets bitten by the dog he drove mean.

I really can't put much more thought into than that — you jump off a cliff — you die. Your action, the natural consequence.

u9: Me too. Man should not kill a man. Killing Sadam was not any better action than murders he did.

@Hartnell: Killer shooted randomly for anyone who just happened to be there. There were no pattern. Hes website and writings reveals that he hated life, thought life is overrated, he considered himself as natures selection to kill peoples. He admired nazi's, usa school shooters, terrorist's who spreaded sarin gas in tokyo. Specially this "Not everyone is innocent." is like wtf? Are you saying those 8 peoples were not innocent victims? Nature's selections to get killed this time by hands of this man? Or assholes who has teased him and they just happened to be there together in same place in same time so shooter can kill them?

Imagine there's an awful car wreck. Are they all innocent victims? In every single awful car wreck? Couldn't anyone of the be wanted for any number of crimes? A tragedy does not make innocent victims. The media just makes it seem that way.

Killer shooted randomly for anyone who just happened to be there.

Possibly afterwards, but according to that article, most of the dead were killed at one location — where he started to fire.

When someone strikes — they try to make it as effective as possible. He chose the time and the place. I wonder why then and there? Like I said, there will be things about this we will never know.

Something else to consider : If it takes an entire village to raise a child… it takes an entire school to… (fill in the blank).

Possibly afterwards, but according to that article, most of the dead were killed at one location — where he started to fire.

So yes, most of the dead were in location by random where he started to shoot peoples. So he shooted randomly for anyone who happened to be there, right? He didnt invite them there or anything.

He chose the time and the place. I wonder why then and there?

Because he did not care. He just wanted to get on top school massacre list. He had sayd that when he's name is on that list, he's life and meaning is filled. Nothing more matters.

I dont know what news you have got there but facts from here are pretty clear now.

He hated human life. "Humanity is underestimated" is pretty clear. He admired serial killers, nazi's, terrorists. He sayd that hes ideals were, raping womens, torturing, pain, creating chaos, burning living things and related. He considered himself as better man than most of others. He believed that by killing peoples, he only fullfills nature's normal selection. Normal man (he used word: weak) did not earn to live. They were ment only to get killed after giving them a chaos and hopeless thoughts. He wanted to create chaos before he killed anyone. Thats why he knocked on classroom doors, shooted through them. To create chaos.

What is innocent? If we use that word by its pure means, then there is no innocent peoples except just born babys. But if normal student gets shot by a madman, then he/she is innocent victim. No matter what you say.