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Yes. But it is pretty much karma that the Texas hubris gave them a product they are now almost running away from. I would think they could bring pressure on espn if they wanted to.

Karma? Hubris? We're talking about the University of Texas at Austin. It has enough money to buy all the "karma" it needs. And as for hubris, like Dizzy Dean said, "It's not bragging if you can back it up." No, it hasn't done that with LHN yet...but don't put anything past these folks.

Yes, TPTB are annoyed that carriage isn't what they want. But the big bucks keep flowing in and exposure aside, that is why this thing was done. There's a reason this university has one of the premier business schools in the country. It knows nothing if not how to make money.

And nobody's "running away" from the product. The distributors simply aren't willing to pay the price...and that's their right. Frankly, after these two football games (now concluded) I don't think I would either.

At any rate, LHN football is over so this should settle down at this point. And don't get me wrong....I certainly understand the reluctance of folks to even accept a single school channel by having it rammed down their throats as part of the basic package.

And just wondering....does anyone know when DirecTV's ESPN contract is due for renegotiation? That could be the next time we hear about this mess.

Karma? Hubris? We're talking about the University of Texas at Austin. It has enough money to buy all the "karma" it needs. And as for hubris, like Dizzy Dean said, "It's not bragging if you can do it."

Yes, TPTB are annoyed that carriage isn't what they want. But the big bucks keep flowing in and exposure aside, that is why this thing was done. There's a reason this university has one of the premier business schools in the country. It knows nothing if not how to make money.

And nobody's "running away" from the product. The distributors simply aren't willing to pay the price...and that's their right. Frankly, after these two football games (now concluded) I don't think I would either.

At any rate, LHN football is over so this should settle down at this point.

And just wondering....does anyone know when DirecTV's ESPN contract is due for renegotiation?

Yes, hubris. They thought themselves big enough for a national TV network. That is hubris. And they didn't do it. That is the point. They failed except in making money. They lost exposure for at least two games. Do they show the coaches shows off LHN? Did they lose that exposure, too? Exposure is worth a lot in long term cash.

Running from? I was playing off what you said about not putting a third game on. That is running from.

Make money? You act as if only Texas knows how to make money. Far from it. Most big programs make money. And do it without losing any games on national TV. Given the size of UT and the fact that it represents the state if Texas, you'd have to be a damned fool to NOT make money.

Bottom line. LHN is a failure.

P.s. folks really have to think beyond their local area. Your post made me laugh a it displayed a very myopic view of colleges and sports.

Yes, hubris. They thought themselves big enough for a national TV network. That is hubris. And they didn't do it. That is the point. They failed except in making money. They lost exposure for at least two games. Do they show the coaches shows off LHN? Did they lose that exposure, too? Exposure is worth a lot in long term cash.

Running from? I was playing off what you said about not putting a third game on. That is running from.

Make money? You act as if only Texas knows how to make money. Far from it. Most big programs make money. And do it without losing any games on national TV. Given the size of UT and the fact that it represents the state if Texas, you'd have to be a damned fool to NOT make money.

Bottom line. LHN is a failure.

P.s. folks really have to think beyond their local area. Your post made me laugh a it displayed a very myopic view of colleges and sports.

Myopic Tony? Only because I was discussing this one issue. You want to talk other conferences, etc., let's take it somewhere else.

Yes, other schools in the country have larger endowments. Harvard and Yale....that's it. So don't put UT in the same boat with the other state schools when it comes to raising money.

LHN a failure? Let's revisit this in 24 months, shall we? I don't have the answer to this, but I would be interested in seeing how long it took other sports networks to gain wide carriage after their launch. Certainly LHN is a different fish, as it is focused on only one school.

Frankly, with the new Big 12 deal just announced the entire conference will have a lot more money to play with and LHN will no longer be an issue with the other schools.

They failed except in making money. They lost exposure for at least two games. Do they show the coaches shows off LHN? Did they lose that exposure, too? Exposure is worth a lot in long term cash.

Except in making money? Most folks around here will take that kind of "failure" any day of the week! And like I said, TPTB are not happy at all with the lack of exposure. And yes, I would not be surprised if that was not being revisited even as we speak. I get the feeling that when the current deal is over (10 years) that UT will demand, and get, a say in distribution. That was the error made two years ago. UT took the money and ran. It won't make that same mistake again.

Given the size of UT and the fact that it represents the state if Texas,

Congratulations! You've just pissed off most of the State of Texas, most of whom either did not 1)graduate from UT or 2) graduated from somewhere else!

The bottom line is that UT is thrilled with the money and pissed with the distribution. And when TPTB at UT get pissed, they usually get their way. Not always, but usually. I'm pretty sure that within 24 months LHN will start showing up....on the sports tiers, where it belongs, as an option.

Myopic Tony? Only because I was discussing this one issue. You want to talk other conferences, etc., let's take it somewhere else.

Yes, other schools in the country have larger endowments. Harvard and Yale....that's it. So don't put UT in the same boat with the other state schools when it comes to raising money.

LHN a failure? Let's revisit this in 24 months, shall we? I don't have the answer to this, but I would be interested in seeing how long it took other sports networks to gain wide carriage after their launch. Certainly LHN is a different fish, as it is focused on only one school.

Frankly, with the new Big 12 deal just announced the entire conference will have a lot more money to play with and LHN will no longer be an issue with the other schools.

Except in making money? Most folks around here will take that kind of "failure" any day of the week! And like I said, TPTB are not happy at all with the lack of exposure. And yes, I would not be surprised if that was not being revisited even as we speak. I get the feeling that when the current deal is over (10 years) that UT will demand, and get, a say in distribution. That was the error made two years ago. UT took the money and ran. It won't make that same mistake again.

Congratulations! You've just pissed off most of the State of Texas, most of whom either did not 1)graduate from UT or 2) graduated from somewhere else!

The bottom line is that UT is thrilled with the money and pissed with the distribution. And when TPTB at UT get pissed, they usually get their way. Not always, but usually. I'm pretty sure that within 24 months LHN will start showing up....on the sports tiers, where it belongs, as an option.

If they are pissed about any part if the deal and made a "mistake" then LHN was a failure. They didn't do it just for the money. They wanted to build the brand even larger. They failed. Big time. LHN is a blueprint on how to not make a channel.

Don't make such a big deal about the representing Texas comment. I meant their market and you know it.

And yes, myopic.

As for endowments, I guess oil money has nothing to do with that. Yup. All just UT brilliance. Besides, The endowment ranking you are talking about is the whole system, not UT Austin, which is what we are talking about.

But goodie for them. They can make money. LHN still failed in its mission.

If they are pissed about any part if the deal and made a "mistake" then LHN was a failure. They didn't do it just for the money. They wanted to build the brand even larger. They failed. Big time. LHN is a blueprint on how to not make a channel.

Don't make such a big deal about the representing Texas comment. I meant their market and you know it.

And yes, myopic.

As for endowments, I guess oil money has nothing to do with that. Yup. All just UT brilliance. Besides, The endowment ranking you are talking about is the whole system, not UT Austin, which is what we are talking about.

But goodie for them. They can make money. LHN still failed in its mission.

well the fail is trying to push a RSN like channel as a ESPN or NBC sports network like channel.

This channel is NOT even a BIG ten it's much more local.

And they should be not asking for being in a basic pack out side of it's area.

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Folks, I'm not a moderator, but can we please stop discussing each other and calling each other names?

Re the misinformation from chacha.com web site, couldn't we just have said: "Apologies, but that's incorrect information - 609 is the Big Ten Network.", instead of feeling the need to calling the poster names? And to the poster of the chacha.com link, perhaps next time could you check on directv.com lineup to confirm that channel number xyz does carry the channel in question?

Now, back on topic, can you guys imagine if Dish were to start carrying LHN now, after picking up Pac-12? Then Dish would really be America's leader in college sports.... That said, LHN is partially owned by ESPN, so chances are Dish won't carry it anyways until addressing the larger Disney dispute....

Can't imagine LHN being critical in determining the leader in college sports.

I don't disagree with you, but, it's all about Marketing spinning. Dish could have an add similar to the one Directv used to show, which shows all sports channels that one can't get with Dish, that Dish only has part-time RSNs in HD... Dish could launch one with Pac-12 and, were Dish to carry LHN, LHN logos and have the narrator says "If you want pac-12 or LHN, you can't get those on Directv". Heck, I should trademark this add, so that if Dish starts a "America's College Sports leader", I can at least earn some $$$ from Dish

I don't disagree with you, but, it's all about Marketing spinning. Dish could have an add similar to the one Directv used to show, which shows all sports channels that one can't get with Dish, that Dish only has part-time RSNs in HD... Dish could launch one with Pac-12 and, were Dish to carry LHN, LHN logos and have the narrator says "If you want pac-12 or LHN, you can't get those on Directv". Heck, I should trademark this add, so that if Dish starts a "America's College Sports leader", I can at least earn some $$$ from Dish

Yes, hubris. They thought themselves big enough for a national TV network. That is hubris. And they didn't do it. That is the point. They failed except in making money.

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Make money? You act as if only Texas knows how to make money. Far from it. Most big programs make money. And do it without losing any games on national TV. Given the size of UT and the fact that it represents the state if Texas, you'd have to be a damned fool to NOT make money.

If you read the actual history behind LHN and the comments from the AD, you'd see that the UT brass did NOT think they were big enough for a national TV network. Nor did they expect the network to make money -- they were expecting to lose money initially. But...being a public institution with bidding rules...they had to open discussions to bid out the partner side of things....and MULTIPLE content providers decided to bid big bucks for a national network. So we took the money -- as any public institution should. (Fact is ESPN bid way too much and is in over their heads, but that isn't Bevo's problem)

As for the making money comment.....well, only about 5 athletic programs in the country make money....so....apparently there are a lot of fools out there that don't wear burnt orange.

I still ultimately expect LHN to be a success because ESPN will bundle it in with its other channels. In the back of my head, I'm wondering if it will maintain the same name, or if the Big XII network is just going to have a lot of Texas focused programming on it. (Rumor that I don't have a link for says that the new ESPN/Big XII contract labels LHN as an ESPN family network for cable rights purposes)

If you read the actual history behind LHN and the comments from the AD, you'd see that the UT brass did NOT think they were big enough for a national TV network. Nor did they expect the network to make money -- they were expecting to lose money initially. But...being a public institution with bidding rules...they had to open discussions to bid out the partner side of things....and MULTIPLE content providers decided to bid big bucks for a national network. So we took the money -- as any public institution should. (Fact is ESPN bid way too much and is in over their heads, but that isn't Bevo's problem)

As for the making money comment.....well, only about 5 athletic programs in the country make money....so....apparently there are a lot of fools out there that don't wear burnt orange.

I still ultimately expect LHN to be a success because ESPN will bundle it in with its other channels. In the back of my head, I'm wondering if it will maintain the same name, or if the Big XII network is just going to have a lot of Texas focused programming on it. (Rumor that I don't have a link for says that the new ESPN/Big XII contract labels LHN as an ESPN family network for cable rights purposes)

It looks like the first UT game it shows is the one game every Big 12 team gets to do with what they want. Any subsequent games count towards ESPN's pool of Big 12 games. Since ESPN can show 19 games per year, technically, they can put all home games on the LHN. That would be almost impossible though because many times FMG picks ahead of ESPN and certainly will take the Big 12's biggest draw a lot. Also, Disney will want them on ABC a few times as well. The OU game is the only one scheduled so far, but there will be more.

I just saw where Cablevision just re upped with ESPN. Appears the Longhorn Network was included. Possible that any future deals will have to include it?!

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Dan Sholtis
"The Raiders will be back. I have unshakable confidence, the will to win, and I just know that the fire that burns brightest in this building is the will to win. And we will win. We will win."---Al Davis. Rest In Peace, Al