I also thought of QJ's next to PD's, but I have a beat 11x Champ Teebird that works any line on the fairway, so I'm thinking of sticking to that. It's easier to shape lines with than my new Star Leopards and has an extra level of predictability.

My QJs are flat and fairly glideless, but have a great stability and are pretty fast. It's basically a seasoned TB with a little less glide...The one in my bag has been in and out of the bag on and off for the past 8 years or so and it hasn't really changed. That old Champ plastic is durable as hell.

This is my first real go with champystar PD's. The two that I have are completely different discs. My most stable one is a 168 red that is somewhat stiff and domey. It glides like my favorite Star Teebird (also red champystar), with more fade and it's MUCH better into the wind and on forehands. This is basically a point-and-shoot disc for me, hence the comparison to a Teebird.

My 175 yellow is somewhat flat and very flexible. On a full rip (350' - 375') it'll turn from flat a tiny bit and finish much straighter than my red. It definitely resembles an Eagle-x more than anything, just faster. It's more of a line-shaping disc rather than point-and-shoot. Oh and it has less glide (as expected) so it needs a little more height than the red.

Just picked up a yellow s line with a middle of the road plh. I like the disc pretty good but it is pretty straight and fades at the end. Have t really been able to turn it over at all. It flies straight and fades at the end. Also holds a nice hyzer. Seems like a shorter sword to me. But powers down easier...

But is the reason you guys like them so much is because they shoot straight and fade at the end predictably? Or what?

That and the wind handling plus powering down well and being the least nose up penalizing disc that goes that far. All pretty major pluses. But there is versatility in that mold for other benefits too across plastics and different weights and breaking in a P PD for nice annies. All PDs gain a lot of distance with s-curves and getting understable ones and very overstable CFR C PDs gives a lot of variety and versatility. So it is a great mold for placing the disc and naturally flying on all shapes of fairways.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.

Took these out of the bag for the first time in years last week, I've lost my last good one and all the stores in my area only have +rimmed ones in stock, got a nice champystar Teebird and TL to take their place and I haven't missed a beat.

CDGS latest shipment of SPDs was full of PLUS rims and FR/test configurations. The Discmania brand had a good thing going...I can't complain though, because some of my favorite PDs have probably been Innova fuck ups.

My bag has been slowly shedding PDs for a while now. This weekend was the first time I've played with no PDs...The Volt/Villain is a nice tweener combo that definitely has potential.

discspeed wrote:CDGS latest shipment of SPDs was full of PLUS rims and FR/test configurations. The Discmania brand had a good thing going...I can't complain though, because some of my favorite PDs have probably been Innova fuck ups.

My bag has been slowly shedding PDs for a while now. This weekend was the first time I've played with no PDs...The Volt/Villain is a nice tweener combo that definitely has potential.

That would sound viable if I didn't hate the Villain that I tried, that fucker fell out of my hand every time.

With Innova? They just like to fuck around with the molds without indicating it in any way while selling them, as far as I know Dave Dunipace is in love with the Plus, and he seems to think this should be forced on everyone. Riot has the + intentionally from the start, as do many other Lat molds, but in Riot has more Plus so to speak than most.