> [{quoted}](name=Totenkopf 2,realm=OCE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=GvlFByOu,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-12-26T02:12:07.623+0000)
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> The stupidity of that is that someone who ints to botlane could say they are just trying to kill the adc, but keep dying.
litterally.

> [{quoted}](name=Draffyr,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=k3phJcEV,comment-id=0017,timestamp=2018-12-13T01:14:59.574+0000)
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> A creep lived in a church&#x27;s basement, then some weird gas burned off his face and made him glow, giving him the confidence to steal another dude&#x27;s woman.
thresh

> [{quoted}](name=AetherArising,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=k3phJcEV,comment-id=001b,timestamp=2018-12-13T01:52:26.267+0000)
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> The best way to prove that you&#x27;re not a criminal is by being a criminal that fights other criminals and also she punch things.
vi

> [{quoted}](name=Draught of Souls,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=k3phJcEV,comment-id=0028,timestamp=2018-12-13T05:02:53.681+0000)
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> dude got his village fucked and now he kills people with a big rake and can&#x27;t decide if he&#x27;s emo or punk
kayn

> [{quoted}](name=Allfather Rhaast,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=k3phJcEV,comment-id=0025,timestamp=2018-12-13T04:33:05.569+0000)
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> goes crazy decides to try and rule the world and is now really angry after being beaten
Mordekaiser

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so... once there was like uh this guy and he uh did some stuff and people didnt remember it because it was lame. then he died and did some more stuff and people didn't remember it because it was lame. now he's not lame, but he's still lame because he's mistaken for something lamer than lame while being awesome and stuff. so he's been lurking around for like a billion years trying to create the perfect mixtape and stuff.

> [{quoted}](name=BLACK REALM GOD,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=k3phJcEV,comment-id=002c,timestamp=2018-12-13T05:25:55.772+0000)
>
> so... once there was like uh this guy and he uh did some stuff and people didnt remember it because it was lame. then he died and did some more stuff and people didn&#x27;t remember it because it was lame. now he&#x27;s not lame, but he&#x27;s still lame because he&#x27;s mistaken for something lamer than lame while being awesome and stuff. so he&#x27;s been lurking around for like a billion years trying to create the perfect mixtape and stuff.
Karthus

> [{quoted}](name=RyzeTheSmurfMage,realm=EUNE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=k3phJcEV,comment-id=0031,timestamp=2018-12-13T06:44:19.997+0000)
>
> Old homeless man runs across the planet in search for some addictive runes that cause halucinations.
ryze

> [{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=k3phJcEV,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-12-12T21:13:22.357+0000)
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> I have no clue who you&#x27;re talking about.
>
> My champion:
>
> Picks up a stick but ends up becoming a twink boy toy for a centuries old cryophilic.
kayn

'Give morde ways to deal with marksman'
so...you want another certainly T rework? I mean any time a character can beat out marksman all thats gonna happen is hes gonna be exploited and abused in bot lane.
Make him a mid ranged burst mage sure. Anything else beyond that is asking to be broken.

> [{quoted}](name=Lilithh,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TA8kJGTG,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-12-11T21:05:06.464+0000)
>
> Like nothing is more frustrating then someone who is diamond getting matched with silver/gold while they play their main like cool i guess we get pub stomped for twenty minutes
I never have a problem with diamonds in my game. Have enough knowledge on how not to die and reading threats and youll do fine. I faced a 2 million mastery irelia main who was d4 when I was g5 and won, crushed her actually. Then again I was on my (400k mastery at the time) main Mordekaiser. Knowing how champs work and reading the damage potential they posses is not something that should be hard for player in high silver/gold.

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It was called the ardent meta because ardent censer was new and adc mains wanted to throw blame off of themselves so they blamed ardent censer. WHich is why no nerfs to ardent censer or shields were enough and adcs themselves eventually ate 'nerfs' that only buffed them only slight nerfs to crit chance and over buffs to infinity edge to make up for the crit chance nerfs.

> [{quoted}](name=LordGeovanni,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MQ5wRo4b,comment-id=00030002000000000000,timestamp=2018-12-02T03:19:01.036+0000)
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> It was called the ardent meta because ardent censer was new and adc mains wanted to throw blame off of themselves so they blamed ardent censer. WHich is why no nerfs to ardent censer or shields were enough and adcs themselves eventually ate &#x27;nerfs&#x27; that only buffed them only slight nerfs to crit chance and over buffs to infinity edge to make up for the crit chance nerfs.
look. Im not denying ADC's being broken, bt they were nothing compared to the LP enchancer that was Janna/Taric. A litteral silver 3 player got to d5 by onetricking janna in that era, if that doesnt speak for itself then youre delusional.

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This is one of the big reasons i stopped maining support after years of playing it, in particular, enchanters, i have 400k mastery points with nami, to the point i was OTP with her in S7, i played a lot her because i loved her playstyle, healing, saving others and making "plays" with her, yeah right she is not a playmaker but i felt that way with her.
In preseason 8 i was confused about the damage and my winrate went from 86% to close 50%, heal? the adc? but he is full hp, if i heal him he will die anyway because its a one shot meta, and even right now the damage is that high that its the same thing.
Enchanters right now feel like minions, because they are super super weak for no reason and can't help someone survive, they only provide cc, no damage, no healing at all, no shielding at all, just... they are there, again, thats how i feel them, and you can see the winrates how they dropped.
This leaded me to change my main role, even if i didnt want, to mid, and thats what I play now because I cant enjoy the champions i love (Except Neeko, she is an exception for me).
So what you suggested i agree with.
They are the only class that didnt receive a rework when they needed it really hard, supports in other mobas and other games are way stronger.
#PleaseMakeEnchantersGoodAgain

> [{quoted}](name=x Wyvern x,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MQ5wRo4b,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2018-12-02T00:15:25.186+0000)
>
> This is one of the big reasons i stopped maining support after years of playing it, in particular, enchanters, i have 400k mastery points with nami, to the point i was OTP with her in S7, i played a lot her because i loved her playstyle, healing, saving others and making &quot;plays&quot; with her, yeah right she is not a playmaker but i felt that way with her.
>
> In preseason 8 i was confused about the damage and my winrate went from 86% to close 50%, heal? the adc? but he is full hp, if i heal him he will die anyway because its a one shot meta, and even right now the damage is that high that its the same thing.
>
> Enchanters right now feel like minions, because they are super super weak for no reason and can&#x27;t help someone survive, they only provide cc, no damage, no healing at all, no shielding at all, just... they are there, again, thats how i feel them, and you can see the winrates how they dropped.
>
> This leaded me to change my main role, even if i didnt want, to mid, and thats what I play now because I cant enjoy the champions i love (Except Neeko, she is an exception for me).
>
> So what you suggested i agree with.
>
> They are the only class that didnt receive a rework when they needed it really hard, supports in other mobas and other games are way stronger.
>
> #PleaseMakeEnchantersGoodAgain
please god no.

> [{quoted}](name=xDelightifyx,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=MQ5wRo4b,comment-id=000300020000,timestamp=2018-12-01T22:42:17.193+0000)
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> Yeah because now enchanters are entirely useless, due to not nerfing adcs, but nerfing enchanters instead. k thanks bye
Enchanters were the issue to begin with. There was a reason it was called 'Ardent Meta', whichever enchanter got it first would powertune their carry so much theyd just 2v8, adc's were strong because they had the ability to get out of CC with the help of QSS or their support, while being safe, and packing enough DPS to break enchanter supps' guards. ADC's were still strong from how fast they scaled and how hard they snowballed, but enchanters were still stronger.

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> [{quoted}](name=GrReaper96,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=UmnkfAAr,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-11-30T19:24:35.866+0000)
>
> CANNOT UNSEE
I have never been able to unsee. That was discovered as soon as she got updated.

> [{quoted}](name=Jikker,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=UmnkfAAr,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2018-11-30T19:31:00.991+0000)
>
> I have never been able to unsee. That was discovered as soon as she got updated.
i dont get it

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> [{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9BM6x4ds,comment-id=000300010000,timestamp=2018-11-25T22:00:46.454+0000)
>
> certainlyT is literally the only person to make good VGUs
Akali VGU is good?
lmao.
Best one he did was Warwick.

> [{quoted}](name=Antenora,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9BM6x4ds,comment-id=0003000100000000,timestamp=2018-11-25T23:48:29.781+0000)
>
> Akali VGU is good?
>
> lmao.
>
> Best one he did was Warwick.
and even warwick was busted. for like a full year.

> [{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=9BM6x4ds,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2018-11-25T10:04:24.332+0000)
>
> What, he&#x27;s doing really well this preseason.
I dont understand what you mean, hes doing the same as he always has been. His win rate was inflated because of a bug if thats what you're using as context. Overall I dont think Mordekaiser will be anything like he was in pre ardent meta.

As a big time trundle player, I think youre underrating him vastly, he can easily outduel 90% of melee laners, and still outscale them, his R is still insanely powerful, and his pillar is still one of he better catching tools in the game if you max it second. And if anyone runs Aftershock (especially Liss) he can still be really tanky, I think youre playing him too jungle oriented, playing him top is the way to go with him now, epecially since he has the FASTEST tower kill time in the game, throwing demolish + tri force on that will make you eat away at towers in the time enemies were able to recall to their fountain.
TL;DR: Trundle top is fine, Trundle JG not so much. Try it.

> [{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=6kFXY1kR,discussion-id=5KBdpeZB,comment-id=0003000000000001,timestamp=2018-11-19T21:16:29.297+0000)
>
> I&#x27;m just glad her sexuality&#x27;s conveyed in a natural way and doesn&#x27;t feel forced at all.
> It just works and I&#x27;m happy Riot managed to actually throw us LGBTQ folk a bone.
....Youre lgbtq?
o o f.

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> [{quoted}](name=AbyssmalHydra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=d2p8GuOE,comment-id=001700000000,timestamp=2018-11-18T06:35:25.298+0000)
>
> What do you mean?
From the time of patch 5.16 until now we have had roughly 247 Morde rework concepts ( another one popped up since i posted that)

> [{quoted}](name=Mordepool,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=d2p8GuOE,comment-id=0017000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-18T07:02:04.427+0000)
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> From the time of patch 5.16 until now we have had roughly 247 Morde rework concepts ( another one popped up since i posted that)
ah, but of course we all know the likeliness of riot looking at any of em are low, as long as he isnt weebified im fine.

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> [{quoted}](name=AbyssmalHydra,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=d2p8GuOE,comment-id=0017,timestamp=2018-11-17T21:14:58.155+0000)
>
> As a rework with upwards of a hundred fan made rework concepts to draw from, and his character being pre-defined, and a role set in stone for damage dealer. Morde mains will typically grow to like him. The main argument should be featured as &#x27;EVERYONE PICKS/BANS MY CHAMP AND I WANT TO PLAY HIM!&#x27;
246 give or take.

As a rework with upwards of a hundred fan made rework concepts to draw from, and his character being pre-defined, and a role set in stone for damage dealer. Morde mains will typically grow to like him. The main argument should be featured as 'EVERYONE PICKS/BANS MY CHAMP AND I WANT TO PLAY HIM!'