King Vegeta and a bunch of his follows in Z were actually the first start a rebellion against Freeza before Bardock did. They ruined King Vegeta's character with this change smh. At least SDB Heroes does the character more justice.

Talk about ruination of a character, and to think Bardock could have been ruined like that. Thankfully we have games doing justice indeed. Dark Masked King is awesome by the way.

I love how people treat Toriyama as if he’s some kind of profit. Yet this man doesn’t even remember one of his most popular characters.

Just further proof that all these inconsistencies that we see in the series can be due to the creator himself not even being familiar with certain aspects of his series. So when people sit here and debate about details concerning the series like power scaling and consistencies from Z to Super, I’m reminded that the one who orchestrates this entire thing isn’t even familiar with certain details he made in the series. Thus, creating a web of craziness and disfunction when Toei writes the series.

It implies "canonizing" characters is something they will do in the future

Gogeta and Vegetto are now "equally powered trump cards"

Broly came back cause he's popular as hell which we knew

As someone who doesn't care much about canonizing things, I wish they'd focus on creating new and interesting antagonists after this instead of just redo all the villains we already have--makes it feel too much like what the videogames did over and over again during the past decade+.

That said I like the idea of Gogeta and Vegetto being equals, and I like new!Brolli.

dbzfan7 wrote:
How would you like your Gogeta? Yellow, Blue, or Black.

One red, please.

Wait, what do you mean you're "sold out"?!

And we won't be getting another shipment for awhile, sorry sir.

Spoiler:

Super carries on much of Dragon Ball and Z's charm in ways that might not immediately be obvious, while also bringing something new to the table. I certainly can't think of any previous arcs like Goku Black, and, for all its problems, the Tournament of Power is possibly the most ambitious storytelling endeavor in series history as far as how its narrative unfolds. It's also a thrill ride, which is all I wanted and exactly what I got. Super also canonizes decades old fan theories in ways that very naturally tie into the overall fabric of Dragon Ball's world in satisfying ways. All in all, Dragon Ball, Z, and Super are all well worth experiencing.

JazzMazz wrote:While I 100% agree that a big aspect of any future anime involving DB should be a focus on action(that's part of why the new designs were introduced), I think I would be remiss to mention that its almost impossible for Toriyama to be 100% involved in the script making process for something like a television anime. I also don't really see the manga ever getting far enough ahead to really be a good source to completely bounce off either, however, I still think if a new series from Super were to maintain close contact with Toriyama, while still having a chief writer overseeing and supervising the project beside him, we'd still be able to get something at least coherent in terms of storytelling.

Either way, I think direction is still a big point of notice that I think kind of gets overlooked. I think back on Z, directors like Shigeyasu Yamauchi did absolutely fantastic work in genuinely elaborating on scenes from the manga that were kind of brushed over, and turning them into some of the most striking moments in the anime adaptation of those arcs. I think the most popular example would be in episode 156 of DBZ where Vegeta and Trunks' time in the room of spirit and time was dramatically expanded upon and made into something that effectively conveyed the extreme training that Vegeta and Trunks subjected themselves to.

The way the DBZ anime demonstrated the rigorous emotional trauma of the Room of Spirit and Time for Trunks and Vegeta was a good addition. It's just something extra TOEI could focus on more too with Toriyama and Toyotaro at the helm of writing the story. This is why I think the Anime being on hiatus and doing the Broly movie in it's return already having a platform to go off on, allows the manga to delve into the new arc will also give TOEI another standard to follow which would allow them to focus on action/direction/style and improve their quality immensely.

Does this “canon” thing but that debate to bed, or do some people believe it’s still down to the fans? Honestly I’ve been in the camp that Toriyamas continued story (BoG, RoF etc.) is what’s considered “canon”, and it seems Shueshia also believe that.

Sora Saiyan wrote:Does this “canon” thing but that debate to bed, or do some people believe it’s still down to the fans? Honestly I’ve been in the camp that Toriyamas continued story (BoG, RoF etc.) is what’s considered “canon”, and it seems Shueshia also believe that.

It's down to the fans either way. There are only a few things that (based on official statements) we can say are "canon" or "not canon". Beyond that point, there's still mass confusion. Like, Super is the "canon" sequel to Toriyama's manga (implying, along with other statements, that GT was not)... but there are 3 separate continuities for Super. Which one is canon? Are they all canon? Do we go with the movies or Toriyama's napkin outline for the anime/manga? There are diverse answers to these questions and therefore we're pretty much back to where we started, really.

It implies "canonizing" characters is something they will do in the future

Gogeta and Vegetto are now "equally powered trump cards"

Broly came back cause he's popular as hell which we knew

As someone who doesn't care much about canonizing things, I wish they'd focus on creating new and interesting antagonists after this instead of just redo all the villains we already have--makes it feel too much like what the videogames did over and over again during the past decade+.

That said I like the idea of Gogeta and Vegetto being equals, and I like new!Brolli.

Don't you remember the galactic prisoner arc we have a new villain dude.

Lore is NOT story, and it never was, and you should stop spreading this nonsense.Content is NOT substance.Bunch of characters doing stuff do NOT make an esemble cast.Secondary characters are secondary, they do NOT deserve or are entitled to having more screen time.Fandom Lacks Critical Thinking and is Easily Impressionable with Surface Level Content.

If Vegito and Gogeta are equally matched then shouldn't fused Zamasu be stronger than Broly? Because Vegito in Blue seemed to struggle with Zamasu whereas Gogeta in Blue, according to the synopsis, dominated the fight with Broly

It implies "canonizing" characters is something they will do in the future

Gogeta and Vegetto are now "equally powered trump cards"

Broly came back cause he's popular as hell which we knew

As someone who doesn't care much about canonizing things, I wish they'd focus on creating new and interesting antagonists after this instead of just redo all the villains we already have--makes it feel too much like what the videogames did over and over again during the past decade+.

That said I like the idea of Gogeta and Vegetto being equals, and I like new!Brolli.

Don't you remember the galactic prisoner arc we have a new villain dude.

I didn't forget about him; I'm looking forward to what he brings. The translation just left me uneasy about the topics of future movies.