Its only available for selected ppl.,in fact i think you just have to meet Rob,or be a friend of somebody he already know.
Or perhaps have a good talk with him,why and for what project u want to use his devices.
Probably he like to know to who and or what kind of person his stuff goes to.

Basicaly this is a good, always working idea to keep 'external' ppl interested or create a 'myth' around those devices,except useless if u made it too much 'public' like now in this subforum describing those devices etc..

i've heard that these projects are not available, except to participants in the workshops. a pity.

This is correct. In fact, the idea for the workshop format came first and then the Benjolin was designed to be used in that workshop.

The idea of the Benjolin is to help people who are new to DIY by providing them with a kit that they build under guidance and then go home to put it in a nice box of their own design and play it.

The Benjolin is an example of what a seasoned DIYer can accomplish at home. Doing the workshop means to get introduced to thinking and working systematically to get a project done; to set off people new to DIY in the right direction.

Literally it is not true that it is only available to selected people, simply as we would never make a selection of who would be allowed to attend a workshop.

Its only available for selected ppl.,in fact i think you just have to meet Rob,or be a friend of somebody he already know.
Or perhaps have a good talk with him,why and for what project u want to use his devices.
Probably he like to know to who and or what kind of person his stuff goes to.

Basicaly this is a good, always working idea to keep 'external' ppl interested or create a 'myth' around those devices,except useless if u made it too much 'public' like now in this subforum describing those devices etc..

Interesting speculations..., although a bit farfetched. But as you are now talking to Rob directly you can ask him directly. And Rob would answer that whatever his motives are they are about art and creativity itself, his art and other artists art. And improvement of that art.

Perhaps real DIYers would never want to build a kit but always design everything themselves, perhaps even bake their own chips.

Why, that's nothing! I dig up my own silicon! And I mine copper for the wire too. I smelt it and purify it in my backyard, um, smelter. I paint the insulation on myself, and I use Q-tips to dope the silicon with impurities...

Well not really, but see the following thread for some truly extreme DIY:

Why then the majority of ppl here are just buying kits or PCB's ,available here or via other sites?

So why shouldn't there be a place for ppl who attended a workshop? Don't think exclusive, but inclusive.

TekniK wrote:

And so why then the experienced builder does not get the chance to buy one of your kits?

Experienced builders are always very welcome in a workshop as well, there is no selection made! Btw, the workshops are also great social events for everyone present.

But relax guys, I am planning to make all info about the Benjolin available here, inclusive schematics and a pdf for a PCB. So, every seasoned DIYer who can etch a board can make it. Components are readily available, so no issue there as well. I just need a bit of time for this.

It is a risk doing this, there is guys around who do not have the creativity themselves to design stuff but are eager to copy other people's stuff to make a quick buck. I which case I trust you guys to shoot them down...

Its only available for selected ppl.,in fact i think you just have to meet Rob,or be a friend of somebody he already know.
Or perhaps have a good talk with him,why and for what project u want to use his devices.
Probably he like to know to who and or what kind of person his stuff goes to.

Basicaly this is a good, always working idea to keep 'external' ppl interested or create a 'myth' around those devices,except useless if u made it too much 'public' like now in this subforum describing those devices etc..

Interesting speculations..., although a bit farfetched. But as you are now talking to Rob directly you can ask him directly. And Rob would answer that whatever his motives are they are about art and creativity itself, his art and other artists art. And improvement of that art.

Sorry, but there goes your little theory.

Exactly,thats what i mean,to many ppl want create 'art' with sound,and to stand out of the mass (because these days as modular and diy stuff is much easy available to the mass) creating a certain mood around a certain project will reach u faster into the spotlight because of the curiosity generated from those ppl u will attract.

IMHO, if a person designs a board, s/he owns the copyright and therefore has the right to do whatever s/he wants to do with it. I usually open source my work (mostly programming), but there are some things that I keep to myself. This is my choice and my right. With all due respect to anyone who may feel excluded by an artist/designer's choices, we must respect his/her wishes.

Once in a blue moon someone posts a message literally demanding that copyrighted information be made freely available, referencing "DIY spirit" or somesuch. This is not DIY spirit, it is selfish and inappropriate to make such requests (not applying that characterization to anyone posting in this thread, just an example of the notion taken too far).

And so why then the experienced builder does not get the chance to buy one of your kits?

Experienced builders are always very welcome in a workshop as well, there is no selection made! Btw, the workshops are also great social events for everyone present.

But relax guys, I am planning to make all info about the Benjolin available here, inclusive schematics and a pdf for a PCB. So, every seasoned DIYer who can etch a board can make it. Components are readily available, so no issue there as well. I just need a bit of time for this.

It is a risk doing this, there is guys around who do not have the creativity themselves to design stuff but are eager to copy other people's stuff to make a quick buck. I which case I trust you guys to shoot them down...

I mean,as an experienced builder,personaly i would feel unconfortable just to go to one of your workshops specialy to be able to own one of you kits,i would rather enjoy have a talk with u with a drink,and build the kit at home.

Would be great if u made the info available to built this module.
Am sure a lot will appreciate here,because this thing indeed seems to be compact with a lot of potential.

Concerning 'copying',don't break your head on that,waste of time,if one remade the pcb to resell it he will not sell many of them anyway.

Remembering your (Rob) work on the NMG2, I know that you have a refreshingly alternative way to work with the technical stuff concerning music, as well as a brain the size of a planet. I've been hoping to hear a little more about your gadgets for some time (I remember talk of a hardware version of your tilt filter), if nothing else it's great inspiration for trying out creations of my own.

But relax guys, I am planning to make all info about the Benjolin available here, inclusive schematics and a pdf for a PCB. So, every seasoned DIYer who can etch a board can make it. Components are readily available, so no issue there as well. I just need a bit of time for this.

Having recently attended a workshop, I must say that Rob is indeed a very creative, brilliant and patient conjurer of cool things. That he ensures that those building his designs come away with WORKING examples is commendable.

I am glad to have had the privelege of participation. I also applaud his decision to share the design here.

Nearly anybody who can solder and follow instructions can build an electronics kit - its pretty much 'color by numbers' at that point. But when Rob does a workshop, he teaches the circuit design and his reasoning as well. This takes you beyond just simply building a kit. I think the real idea here is to teach people how to design electronics of this kind instead of just blindly building a kit (the same way one would learn something like Max/MSP instead of just using other people's patches). The other benefit is to meet other people who are interested in doing the same and exchanging ideas, learning together, etc. So the Benjolin isn't really just a kit for sale - its a vehicle to do these other things, which I think are worth more than any one kit.

Nearly anybody who can solder and follow instructions can build an electronics kit - its pretty much 'color by numbers' at that point. But when Rob does a workshop, he teaches the circuit design and his reasoning as well. This takes you beyond just simply building a kit. I think the real idea here is to teach people how to design electronics of this kind instead of just blindly building a kit (the same way one would learn something like Max/MSP instead of just using other people's patches). The other benefit is to meet other people who are interested in doing the same and exchanging ideas, learning together, etc. So the Benjolin isn't really just a kit for sale - its a vehicle to do these other things, which I think are worth more than any one kit.

Before I learned how to use ExpressPCB, I did a full stripboard layout for the Klee Sequencer. Three separate boards! It never got tested though. Scott and I decided it would be so much better to expand the playing field and let people buy PCBs! _________________What makes a space ours, is what we put there, and what we do there.

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