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We cannot pretend that Fullerton is serious about reform when those involved in the murder of Kelly Thomas, the illegal arrest and imprisonment of Veth Mam, and the many other documented cases of police misconduct, are still employed by FPD. We contend that you as our representatives at city hall, now being fully aware of the extent of misconduct by certain officers, that it is your duty above all else to protect the citizens of Fullerton, including those that may now feel targeted because of their public involvement in seeking justice for Kelly Thomas. There will be members of the community who will not comply to the orders of Officer Kenton Hampton, Sgt. Kevin Craig and Cpl. James Blatney, as they feel that these officers do not hold any moral authority over them. This reality puts all residents and peace officers in danger, and makes any contact by these men with the general public unwise. The adoption of the attached resolution by you, and the eventually firing of any officer who cannot live up to the ideals of a post Kelly Thomas Fullerton Police Department, will not only benefit all residents of Fullerton, but it shall restore public faith in the department itself. In doing so you will stimulate public trust to the benefit to those other officers who have always conducted themselves professionally. Professional officers with good intentions deserve to work in an environment which is free of the stigma that the continued employment of these accomplices in a taped public execution places on the entire department.

Only by publically setting standards for peace officers which embody excellence in public service and respect for all Fullerton citizens, and by demanding the termination of all those who represent the worst of FPD’s past, can we move forward with confidently that reform and change has resulted from the tragic murder of Fullerton resident Kelly Thomas on July 5th, 2011. The city attorney, while perhaps well intentioned, has an established propensity to filter his advise through the fear that one of these subpar officers may litigate on grounds of wrongful termination. We advise this council to also consider what may result if any of the officers in question, who have now returned to active duty, are again involved the death or injury of one of our citizens. Prudence dictates that they must be removed before they are given another opportunity to harm the public and burden the city with additional million dollar settlements.

Civility and healing will come to Fullerton when our leaders are responsive to the public and we are not required to pry every hint of justice that this case has brought forth over the last 14 month from the clinched fists of a stubborn leadership at city hall, the DA’s office or FPD. Today we present you with yet another opportunity to partner with us in seeking justice. We urge you to take advantage of this opportunity.

Ken Hampton one of the officers involved in the beating is “fiance” of a female named “Crown Victoria” https://www.facebook.com/crown.victoria.16?fref=ts on facebook, he cheated on her for 3yrs with someone I know. He proposed to his fiance after he was dumped by the other woman I know. But now they both know that he was with both of them at the same time, thanks to me, who came across Hampton’s fiance facebook and recognized his ugly ass immediately. He thought he was never get caught cheating…..lol BUSTED!!! I FEEL SO SORRY FOR THE “FIANCE” WHO WAS FED WITH HAMPTON’S BS AND NOW IS SO CLOSE TO DEAL WITH THIS CHARACTER, WONDERING IF HE EVEN LOVES HER OR IF HE JUST DOING IT FOR CONVENIENCE and BETRAYAL. He is a narcissist, obviously he has no morals or values, he is a liar and dishonest individual. Now he feels rewarded by FPD with all this Kelly Thomas situation because he is no longer a cop, he is a “DETECTIVE”(handing out his business cards)!!!

Hughes to announce the other 3 cops are all clear and clean with the FBI now too. Nothing left for investigations. All 3 back on the street. Only option is offer then a million or two to retire or resign. They just might take it.

Offer nothing and let them sue. THe video tapes will go a long way in swaying a CIVIL jury to not give a dime. Time for city council to get some gonads! Next fire the City Attorney if he is a tool of the public unions (and I do not mean the custodians and clerks!)!

No one was murdered, smelly Kelly was a ticking time bomb.
The point is that smelly Kelly had a history of violence. He was NOT the gentle soul that all you bleeding hearts want to believe. His mom got a restraining order against him because he tried to choke her not to get him help. She lied. With a restraining order, people who are in violation of it go to jail not to the psych ward. Get your heads out of your asses.

The thing about this horrible system if you do not comply with one of their morally bankrupt officers, they will just arrest you and then you will be digested through the system and shit out. And the system wont care.

On a side note, today I saw a fpd motorcycle go off a curb near the library and go the wrong way on commonwealth and go up to a guy walking down the street. The pig, told him put your hands up, the man did, within twenty seconds a second motorcycle cop and squad car were there.
this guy was about 50, black, and possibly homeless. The three little pigs made him put his hands behind his back and searched
him, pulled papers and stuff out of his pockets, and showed
disdain and had a bad attitude withe this guy.

Chicken, you are a complete moron. You have no idea what you are talking about or what happened prior to the officers stopping that guy!! Again you just ASSume and write about shit you know nothing about!! This is the problem with all you ffffers is that you take it for face value instead of taking the time to get the facts!! Next time that 50yr old black transient shows up at your door don’t call us! Let him in, feed and cloth him let him play with your kids…. Isn’t that what we all should be doing?? Isn’t that what Ron Thomas did for his own son??????

I love how these guys take the huge leap from not housing/clothing homeless to beating them to death. I guess they don’t teach rational thinking in the academy. BTW, why is the transient in your example black? Racist a bit are we?

Besides, I don’t grandstand — I raise real issues, which I’m happy to discuss. (And now watch everyone run away in terror.)

Grandstanding Definition: “The pejorative verb “grandstanding” is often applied to politicians or other public figures perceived to be using tactics designed to call attention to themselves instead of the issues”

Above is the most succinct definition of Dimebag written to date. You must make SSSSSilva so proud. Muahahahahaha.

Hey Brandon read what chicked wrote you idiot!! He said it was a black transient! As usual trying to turn it around. And it’s not about feeding or clothing the transients! None of you fffers or haters ever helped a homeless person or even gave a shit until July 5 of last year now you are all homeless apologists! How many homeless have you helped since? Just go to hunt branch library there is a hole community you fffers an Ron Thomas can help but yet choose not too!

Whenever I hear all of the FPOA in the City Council chambers muttering and cussing under their breath, because they didn’t get their way on voting to consider hiring Hughes, it’s like Angels singing in a choir to me as a resident.

Whitaker’s masterful procedural manuevering and eventual takedown of SSSSSSSSilva in the final hour of her term as Mayor, was as good for me as watching Barry Bonds strike out on three pitches in the bottom of the ninth with the bases loaded and the World Series on the line.

You guys are really sick. WE need a City Council that can work together and take action. All the Three Stooges do is delay actions and play politics.
If the discussion is not going the way that has already been determined (ordered by TonyB)they like little kids in the playground take their ball and go home.
But the City of Fullerton voters have a chance to get it right this time by electing three new members who KNOW how to work together. We failed lst time because of the emotional outcry created by the Kelly Thomas murder. I am sure calmer heads will prevail this time.
My only question is why am I bothering blogging to a bunch of idiots who can’t rationally see what is going on? Except for my Admentment Rights!

Take action = do an end-run around an impartial selection procedure and install our union’s guy as Police Chief.

Yeah, that’s what we need. Of course the city council could have “worked together” by SQS and Chafee siding with the majority 3, Could have saved about 5 hours of everybody’s time too. But then the FPOA contributions would have dried up like that hag Flory’s mug.

But they have had months to decide what to do and as predicted… FAILED to lead … again! Leadership to them is postponing decision. We elect our officials to act for the people of fullerton.. not sit on their ass and prostitute their “holier than thou” libertarian” crap that does not represent the citizens of Fullerton. WE need people who care about the people not stagnent principles.

Wrong, dimwit. They made their decision: do a recruitment and find out who is the best candidate for the job. It was the geasy mole Chaffee who was playing games by agendizing the discussion and then orchestrating a pointless “public hearing” meant to embarrass somebody. All he did was embarrass himself, Quirk, and Danny Boy.

Ken Hampton one of the officers involved in the beating is “fiance” of a female named “Crown Victoria” https://www.facebook.com/crown.victoria.16?fref=ts on facebook, he cheated on her for 3yrs with someone I know. He proposed to his fiance after he was dumped by the other woman I know. But now they both know that he was with both of them at the same time, thanks to me, who came across Hampton’s fiance facebook and recognized his ugly ass immediately. He thought he was never get caught cheating…..lol BUSTED!!! I FEEL SO SORRY FOR THE “FIANCE” WHO WAS FED WITH HAMPTON’S BS AND NOW IS SO CLOSE TO DEAL WITH THIS CHARACTER, WONDERING IF HE EVEN LOVES HER OR IF HE JUST DOING IT FOR CONVENIENCE and BETRAYAL. He is a narcissist, obviously he has no morals or values, he is a liar and dishonest individual. Now he feels rewarded by FPD with all this Kelly Thomas situation because he is no longer a cop, he is a “DETECTIVE”(handing out his business cards)!!!

Baxter should not be confusing the issue of Hampton/Mam and the officers involved with Thomas. They are two different issues and should not be linked together. Ramos, Wolfe and Cicinelli had nothing to do with Hampton and his doings.

I never see anything about what Danny Boy did to the guy he detained and intentionally broke his nose and his finger.

Word is that Danny Boy put the suspect into the back of his patrol car, handcuffed, and then intentionally slammed on his brakes throwing the suspect against the cage, thus breaking the guys nose.

The broken finger? Yeah, he came clean on that one, afraid he would be found out.

uh, yes, the credibility of Hampton, Craig and Blatney was lost when the good people of Fullerton saw the Kelly Thomas murder by Fullerton PD video.
Public scrutiny popped the lid off of Fullerton police chief Pat Mckinley’s personally groomed bedroom city commando force, otherwise known as the Fullerton PD. And the grotesque truth leapt out and showed the good people of Fullerton their police force systematically abused the civil rights of their community.
Ramos, Cicinelli, Wolfe, Hampton, Craig, Blatney,Rincon, these names equate with molestation of female detaineees, perjury, false arrest, excessive force.
McKinley, Bankhead, Jones were successfully removed from Fullerton’s municipal government and Hampton, Craig and Blatney are untouchable?
The bigger question now looms is who now sits on Fullerton’s city council who demands these criminals in police officer uniforms remain on Fullerton police force?
Where is the good people of Fullerton’s representation when its elected officials refuse to protect our community?

Chief Hughes you were done in when Chris Thompson of the school board spoke up calling you a friend. He is no friend as he sat there and conspired with Jack Dean and the guy who got 5 votes last election.

Seabourn is the biggest coward out there. Once Tony showed up he decided to go with the Now council majority. I think Seabourn is more dangerous to Fullerton than kiger. At least you know where kiger stands and his hatred for anyone other than his friends. You know he doesn’t care about fullerton.

whitaker is scared that he’ll be out of a job if norby beats his………..I mean wins against Quirk-Silva. Keep your old lady in line. Still didn’t answer the pot dispensary question. Yes or No. You answered you haven’t brought it up but do you favor them in fullerton? answer up dumpster diver.

Chaffee continues to impress and doesn’t back down against the bullies.

Fullerton is in bad shape. Hopefully November comes and changes occur.

Citizens should start to consider what to do about seabourn.

Sleazy politicians. If you win expect more of the same at council meetings

Actually he said “confrontation.” Kelly died five days after a “confrontation.” More BS. Is it ignorance of the language, laziness, or a deep-seated desite to shill for the cops that informs Ponsi’s pathetic writing?

Ponsi: Kelly Thomas had his face bashed in and suffocated in his own blood as six cops beat and sat on him.

Is it too hard for you to write that you f-ing little piece of excrement.

Democracy, direct action, citizens petitioning their representatives; it all comes to a grinding halt when citizen outrage butts-up against confidential personnel matters. Cops have THE best best protection of ANY government employee unit. Good luck getting the Council to be able to take action. They can’t, the Council has no authority. The law and their contract protects the cops — especially the bad ones.

My question is this: Can a class action suit be brought against the City for the actions of the PD. I imagine the suit would have to show a pattern of abuse of power, perjury, and illegal activity by Fullerton officers. In other word, make the case for ‘culture of corruption’ in open court.

I’ve been told Mr. Bushala likes being the power behind the scenes. Bankrolling a class action suit might be worthwhile endeavor, if its possible.

Eatme :
Chicken, you are a complete moron. You have no idea what you are talking about or what happened prior to the officers stopping that guy!! Again you just ASSume and write about shit you know nothing about!! This is the problem with all you ffffers is that you take it for face value instead of taking the time to get the facts!! Next time that 50yr old black transient shows up at your door don’t call us! Let him in, feed and cloth him let him play with your kids…. Isn’t that what we all should be doing?? Isn’t that what Ron Thomas did for his own son??????
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Fredrick Ron Thomas,fake cop did it for the money. He has no support in Fullerton. I hope he goes to jail for fraud. Ron Thomas, like Hampton are both fake want- to- be- cops.

Please no one look in to the fact I get paid to volunteer, I say I love teachers, but I steal their job money for me, you know I love fullerton, why because I have been stealing from you for years and you finally are figuring it out, so i had to bring my kid in. Im desperate. Spam KKKeller and I approve this ad.

Listen to City Council candidate Jan Flory berate the city council at 6 hours and 11 minutes into the meeting for giving the citizens back their own money.

“Laughable at best, criminal at worst” is how Jan begins her tirade.

Even more revealing, or maybe in contrast to Jan’s ham-fisted, self-righteous, indignant, and very smarmy style, was the humble request by Chris Thompson at 6 hours and nine minutes, to ask the city staff to be contrite in their admission of an error in their over billing over the last 20 years, as not to upset the residents and the city coffers.

“There will be members of the community who will not comply to the orders of Officer Kenton Hampton, Sgt. Kevin Craig and Cpl. James Blatney, as they feel that these officers do not hold any moral authority over them. This reality puts all residents and peace officers in danger, and makes any contact by these men with the general public unwise. ”

Those two statements are worth the price of admission.

Furthermore, those that have been entrusted with the power to take another human being’s life for the good of the People should be held to a different, higher standard. Not a lower standard, as we have seen in the City of Fullerton.

A Police Officer who abuses the Public trust and his or her authority is no different than a pedophiliac priest, a football coach that molests children, and others who we are SUPPOSED to fucking trust.

I commend Chief Hughes on the progress but as long as Hampton, Blatney and Craig wear badges, he’s not there yet.

Truthseeker it was absolutely the three amigos standing shoulder to shoulder and saying to the schoolyard (public employee unions) bullies, that the days of the city council being shaken down by the employees that work for the residents of Fullerton are coming to an end.

The only way they start back up again is if the candidates that the public employee unions are supprting; Flory, Alvarez, Fitzgerald, or Jaramillo become elected on November 6th.

Published: Oct. 18, 2012 Updated: 12:26 p.m.
By DOUG IRVING and LOU PONSI / THE ORANGE COUNTY REGISTER
Mentally ill and homeless, Kelly Thomas had dozens of run-ins with police in the years before his fatal beating at the hands of six Fullerton officers, according to an internal document from the District Attorney’s Office.
The document shows that Thomas was frequently stopped and questioned by officers throughout north Orange County, occasionally arrested for low-level crimes such as trespassing, and was once jailed for assault with a deadly weapon. It details 92 police reports that involved Thomas between 1990 and his death last summer.

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Attorneys defending three Fullerton officers charged in connection with his death have portrayed Thomas as a trouble-maker who refused police orders. Prosecutors have described Thomas as an unassuming victim – “a sad homeless person that is no danger physically to anyone,” in the words of one prosecution expert.
The criminal history compiled by the District Attorney’s Office shows that the majority of Thomas’ encounters with police resulted in nothing more than a warning or citation. But it also includes 27 arrests, most often for old warrants, trespassing or violating court orders to stay away from a grocery store that Thomas frequented.
Thomas was arrested in 2008 after an Anaheim child-care center reported that he was urinating in front of children; court records show he pleaded guilty to urinating in public. He was arrested in 2010 after an Anaheim fruit-stand vendor said he threw rocks at her, and later pleaded guilty to trespassing.
He was twice arrested on suspicion of assault, the document shows – once for punching a man who asked him to leave a Christmas party, where a 14-year-old girl said he had approached her with the words “hey sexy.” But court records show that he was never prosecuted on that assault charge or on the other allegation, in which a restaurant worker said Thomas threw a watch at him.
Most crimes were minor
Court records show that Thomas has faced a series of misdemeanors and low-level infractions, but only one felony case. That was in 1995, when police said he attacked his grandfather with a fireplace poker, records show.
The grandfather said Thomas bludgeoned him with the poker in an unprovoked attack. Thomas told police the two were fighting after his grandfather looked at him the wrong way, and that he grabbed the poker from his grandfather, according to the District Attorney’s document. Thomas later pleaded guilty to assault with a deadly weapon and was sentenced to 270 days in jail.
A psychological examination included in the court file quotes Thomas as saying he began using drugs in the fifth grade and had used LSD, pot, methamphetamine and alcohol. The doctor who conducted the exam concluded that Thomas had suffered “organic impairment of cognitive functioning” because of his drug abuse, according to the document.
Thomas lived on the streets for years and was known to officers in several cities; in 2003, an unidentified Fullerton officer described him in a report as a new transient in the downtown area. The District Attorney’s review found that 13 of Thomas’ contacts with police there and in other cities ended with him getting a warning to move along or to stay away from businesses. Police wrote Thomas citations – for jaywalking, littering and other infractions – 15 times.
His record of police contacts also included three reports that he had gone missing from psychological facilities, and a report of a jail assault in which he was the victim. His father once reported him to police, saying he stole a $550 guitar, according to the documents. His mother went to police in 2010 with a restraining order against him – a move his family has said was intended to help get him into mental-health treatment.
But a third of the 92 police contacts included in the District Attorney’s review were listed as “field interviews” or street checks only, or resulted in no apparent action.
In three of those cases, police stopped and questioned Thomas after seeing him look into vehicle windows or otherwise appear to “case” vehicles, but let him go. A similar report drew Fullerton police to their fatal encounter with him on the night of July 5, 2011, when a caller said Thomas “was roaming” a downtown parking lot, looking in cars and “pulling on door handles.”
The City of Fullerton has since said that no other evidence exists that “Thomas actually tried to steal anything from vehicles.”
The District Attorney’s Office has charged former Fullerton officer Manuel Ramos with second-degree murder, saying he escalated that call into the beating that killed Thomas. It also has charged former Cpl. Jay Cicinelli, saying he helped beat Thomas and used his stun gun to both shock and pummel him. Last month, a grand jury indicted a third former officer, Joseph Wolfe, in the beating.
All three ex-officers have pleaded not guilty.
Crime-history compilation common courtroom practice
The District Attorney’s Office confirmed that it compiled the report on Thomas’ police history. Chief of Staff Susan Kang Schroeder called it a common practice, especially when prosecutors expect the defense to use a victim’s criminal history to attack their case.
“It’s in the typical defense playbook to try to dirty up the victim. It’s defense strategy 101,” Schroeder said. In this case, she added, “Kelly Thomas’ background is mostly being homeless.”
But the attorney representing Cicinelli said Thomas’ frequent contacts with police “paint a very different picture (than) the one that has been portrayed in the media.”
“I think the picture painted before was that the police officers were looking to roust a homeless person,” attorney Michael Schwartz said. “I think what is telling is that his own mother had a restraining order against him … This is not somebody who is docile.”
Schwartz had not seen the District Attorney’s report; prosecutors have until 30 days before trial to turn over such evidence to the defense. He said it’s hard to predict how Thomas’ contacts with police will factor into the criminal case.

So what is happening bloggers, Kelly’s Army,Ron Thomas and all the Kelly was a calm docile person. No one remarks when remarks are made that doesn’t blast the officers. Wake up and smell the coffee, Kelly was a bad person. A wolf in sheets clothing. No he didn’t serve to die , but the cops didn’t kill him either.

I’ve been wondering for a while about Ron Thomas and his connection to law enforcement. No one at OC sheriff knows anything about the guy. He’s always came across as a bit slimy to me and now I read how he’s playing games with the money collected for Kelly’s Army. most recently I heard he was kicked out of the academy after 3 months due to allegation of spousal /child abuse, and what we perceived as Kelly’s cry’s for Dad to help him were really cry’s for his dad to stop beating him. Anyone else get the creeps from this guy?

So…anyone asking questions is foolish?
I see what kind of person you are, just another lemming without any ability to explore. Just take whats been spoon fed by the media and ask for more, must have failed critical thinking in college. Does it even occur to you that we are not in possession of all the facts. The stories I’ve heard do not put a nice light on Ron Thomas and I expect everyone’s dirty laundry to be put on display during the trial.
There are far to many people exploiting this death. Ron Thomas has delusions of grandeur, and Sharon Quirk-Silva is a political hack that has exploited the situation to vie for higher office.

BTW, if you are going to type something is all CAPS, and put it in quotation marks, at least spell it correctly. the word is They’re, it is a contraction of “They are”. My mistake about the college comment, it plain to see that you never made it to college.

KT is the worst symptom of what is probably a criminal political institution, in a local government and police union.

All caps denotes a loud voice, if a cell phone from a distance away can hear him, he is screaming.

Guess who this quote is from.
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“… Many organizations out there trying to cash in on giving ADVISE to those corrupt ones. I bet a few of those companys know from personal experience about being corrupt themselves, MAYBE.

Again for those who don’t understand. Chief Hughes and a few others are NOT going to answer any SERIOUS questions about anything that has happened at FPD in the past or present situation.

Why, because he has 4 MAJOR issues looming on the horizon.
1. The trial of Ramos&Cincinelli.
2. The FBI investigation.
3. The Gennacco investigation.
4. Wrongful death lawsuit.

Until at least the first 3 come to sometype of conclusion, Hughes and his crew will simply do what your seeing now, using Lou Ponsi and others giving interviews that provide very selective reporting.

Hughes is not reaching out to you and me, he is reaching out to those who are not really paying attention, shall we say those other Fullerton residents who could CARE LESS about Kelly Thomas or police corruption.

Only when some of those “feel good” citizens become a PERSONAL victim of some cops rath will they CARE. Such is life.

If items 1-3 go badly, Hughes will look more of a fool than he does now. If he makes to many changes some might consider it an addmission of guilt or think they have him on the run.

MAKE no mistake Hughes has an ego too, and needs to keep an imagine within FPD and his fellow Chiefs around the area.

We all saw the original “godfather” movie. You all should remember Al Pacino asking Robert Duvall if they had people on the payroll at the local newspaper when they were planning the killing of the police captain who broke Als jaw?

Well that is the samething your seeing now with these reporters and these interviews.

The only thing that counters those interviews is THIS BLOG. The nice thing about the blogs is MORE people are reading them and from around the country.

You have read where I mention San Bernardino County. Folks again if you think you have it bad here, you have NO IDEA!!!

The past 5 Sheriff’s in that county are the finest example of “good ol boys” known to most cops.

Getting a ‘good ol boy” as Sheriff spans more than 50 years, YES I said 50 years.

The present Sheriff grooms someone below him to take his spot when he retires. ALL of them are corrupt to the CORE.

Thanks to the bigger newspapers who are no doubt just like what you see here, the appointed Sheriff eventually runs for office and in most cases is unoppossed during the election.

An outsider with little money has little or no chance of suceeding. But if they do some of the “good ol boys” will do their best to sabatoge the under dog.

It’s a well organized and financed game of keeping a corrupt official in power.

Hughes SHOULD have started seeing a “good ol boy” regime back when he was a patrolman.

But with McKinley being in charge for 16 years, I know it happened for sure at that time.

NO ONE should be in charge as the Chief LEO for 16 years. Such a long tenure BREADS corruption.

And you either play the corruption game or you get kicked to the curb. So Hughes played the game and made it up to Captain and now Acting Chief.

With his fine style from the “university” of used car salesmanship, he has the “feel good” citizens of Fullerton wrapped up. FOR NOW!!!” -Fullertonsfuture.com comment

seriously, “attempted murder on me” , lifesaving service get over yourself. If they had wanted you dead, you would be. truth is you are an unimportant small fish, no need to try and build yourself up. statements like that are pathetic, maybe it works in the insular world of the halfwits that you inhabit but the real world functions very differently.
BTW, the all CAPs pointed out you’re spelling deficiency, I completely understand the concept of it pertaining to a loud voice, but it seems you don’t understand English or at a minimum fail to grasp the written language.