Monday, March 13, 2006

Serbia to Permit Milosevic Funeral to Be Held in Belgrade

By NICHOLAS WOOD

BELGRADE, Serbia, March 13 — The Serbian government offered to allow the funeral and burial of Slobodan Milosevic to take place in Belgrade, paving the way for a gathering of nationalists and supporters of the former president that has not been seen in more than five years.

Government officials said a warrant for the arrest of Mr. Milosevic's wife, Mirjana Markovic, would be removed, enabling her and her family to attend what the one senior government official insisted would be a private ceremony.

Ms. Markovic had been wanted by a court in Belgrade after she failed to appear at a hearing to face fraud charges last year. The underlying charge, of fraud related to an apartment sale, still hangs over her, in theory. She is believed to have been living in Moscow for the last three years, during much of the time when her husband stood trial in The Hague on charges of committing war crimes in Bosnia, Croatia and Kosovo in the 1990's.

Mr. Milosevic, the former Yugoslav president, was found dead in his cell on Saturday, months before the case would have ended. He was 64.

An autopsy showed that a heart attack killed him, the United Nations war crimes tribunal said in The Hague on Sunday. The result was disclosed as new evidence emerged that Mr. Milosevic had been taking medicine not prescribed by his physicians, including an antibiotic known to diminish or blunt the effect of the medicines he had been taking for heart and blood-pressure problems.

The timing of the funeral was not announced. Despite the government's wishes for a quiet private ceremony, nationalists and supporters of the former president are certain to seize on it as a chance to rally.

Members of Mr. Milosevic's Socialist Party appeared to be seizing the opportunity to revive its flagging poll ratings and plan a mass gathering of supporters. The party was once the largest in Serbia, and now one that commands just over 5 percent of the vote.

Serbia's ultra-nationalist Radical Party, currently the most popular political party in Serbia, was also expected to ask its supporters to attend, party officials said. "I believe that first he has to be placed somewhere so people have a couple of days to express their respects, and then a large funeral," said Vladimir Krsljanin, a former foreign relations adviser to Mr. Milosevic.

"There will be foreign delegations and speeches and so on," Mr. Krsljanin said. He added the government needed to provide for the kind of ceremony the former president deserved.

"Such a large gathering of people and emotions can turn into something else, if the government doesn't show maturity," he said. "You cannot act against the masses."

Preparing the way, Deputy Prime Minister Mirosljub Labus told regional news stations that the government had informed the Milosevic family that it would allow the family to attend "a private funeral."

According to the independent news agency Beta, an assistant prosecutor in Belgrade, Mira Ilic, said the state prosecution service had asked that a detention order for Ms. Markovic be annulled by the county court. The court was expected to take its decision on Tuesday morning.

She is believed to have been living in Moscow for the past three years, with her son. At the same time, pressure grew among Mr. Milosevic's supporters abroad for a further investigation into his death and more specifically the discovery of a drug normally prescribed for tuberculosis in his blood. Russia's foreign minister, Sergey V. Lavrov, said he had prepared a team of doctors to take part in the investigation under way by The Hague tribunal.

Russia had offered guarantees that if Mr. Milosevic could travel to Russia for treatment, he would later return to The Hague, Mr. Lavrov said.

"In essence, they did not trust Russia," he said. "This cannot help but disturb us. And it cannot help but alarm us that Slobodan Milosevic died shortly after that.

"Since they did not believe us, we also have the right not to believe and not to trust those performing the post-mortem examinations," he said. "We have requested that the tribunal allow our doctors to take part in the examination, or at the very least to peruse the results."

The Russians and Serbs have long had close relations, and much of the Milosevic family has worked or taken refuge in Moscow. The Russian general, Leonid G. Ivashov, who visited Milosevic in prison in The Hague and testified on his behalf, said in Moscow: "I suspect that one of the reasons the tribunal did not allow his trip to Russia was because in Moscow, they would discover what drugs he had been given by the prison doctors, and they were afraid of being exposed."

In Belgrade, Mr. Milosevic's supporters appeared already to have come to a similar conclusion that their former leader had been murdered. Outside the headquarters of the Socialist Party in Belgrade, party members queuing in the rain to sign a book of condolence messages had no doubts he had been deliberately poisoned.

"They slipped it into his food," said Gjorgje Stejic, a 51-year-old machine engineer. "I am sure he was killed. That's what all of us think."

A 74-year-old retired high school teacher, Kolja Tanakovic, said, "They didn't have the evidence to convict him and so they murdered him."

Carla Del Ponte, the chief prosecutor at the tribunal, said at a news conference on Sunday before the autopsy result was released that she did not rule out suicide. She also said Mr. Milosevic had been thoroughly monitored by medical aides, and that it was "very strange, even if it is of course possible, that he should have died so suddenly without these medics having noticed a worsening of his condition."

The death of Mr. Milosevic sent shock waves through the tribunal, putting it on the defensive just as a defining moment in the history of the Yugoslav war crimes prosecutions appeared at hand. His death also raised a whole set of new issues for the United States and European Union, which had hoped that the conclusion of his four-year trial, with conviction widely expected, would help expedite resolution of other problems that are vestiges of Mr. Milosevic's catastrophic rule in the 1990's. A January report by the prison doctor that was disclosed Sunday by Zdenko Tomanovic, one of Mr. Milosevic's lawyers, said an antibiotic known as rifampicin, used to treat serious bacterial infections, like tuberculosis and leprosy, had been found in Mr. Milosevic's blood.

I know you guys are looking forward to this case, so you can also have some share of the cake:

Bosnia’s case weakened by Milosevic death | 16:17 March 13 | Beta

BELGRADE -- Monday – The death of Slobodan Milosevic could weaken Bosnia-Herzegovina’s case in the charges of genocide it has pressed against Serbia-Montenegro.

“Of all the charges against Milosevic, only the allegations of genocide would be relevant in the case with Bosnia-Herzegovina. If Milosevic was convicted of genocide, it would definitely have had a negative effect on our case.” Tibor Varadi, member of the Serbia-Montenegro legal delegation, said.

He added that it would have also been a great help for Serbia-Montenegro’s defence if Milosevic would have been found innocent on the counts of genocide, stating that now, however, there are no Serbians who stand accused of genocide.

“That means that the International Court of Justice will have to make a decision without having the foundation of a Hague Tribunal decision to follow.” Varadi said.

He also said that the charges of genocide against Republic of Srpska military general Radislav Krstic will not have any effect on the trial.

“Krstic is not a citizen of Serbia-Montenegro, he is a citizens of the prosecution, Bosnia-Herzegovina. This is a case between countries, not between Serbians and Muslims.” Varadi said.

Ivance, I almost thought that some sense came to you thinking that you said "mass shooting" and then I realized that that is just a hope for an uncorretable person like you to admit the fault for anything.

Anyway, I think your existence makes all of us Shqiptars (which happens to be the right spelling) happy since guys like Milosevic and you are going to destroy what's left of Serbia and save the world.

"Here is to the peace in Balkans without the tyrants. (Ooops sorry Ceku needs to join them as well)"

Regarding the article, I am starting to think that Milosevic and some who are claiming that he was killed are right. It's likely that the custodians in the prison are Serbs, and wanted to save money for their government. THAT IS WHAT I CALL PATRIOTIC - killing a guy so the rest of the nation can eat.

However, I fear that your ass will still have to live like a dog for the next 40yrs. You gotta go kill more chetniks.

my country would be perfectly fine if you siptars did not try to steal our land, and expell non serbs from Kosovo and Metohija.

Serbia would have been a very nice place to live if you joined us in putting Milosevic down. But thanks to you Radicals still pose a threat to Serbia, and you have a Prime Minister with innocent blood on his hands.

Think about it fauna. Is stealing moral? IS burning churches moral? IS stealing money that is intended for the needy moral?

There is no justice in this world, but with the death of Milosevic I am sure things will move better for Serbia.

Why did Serbs massivly start leaving Kosovo and Metohija as of 80s, is it because they felt endagnered.

You yourself chose not to participate in anything that was Serbian. There were albanians that worked in Serbian firms in Kosovo, so dont give me the BS of discrimination.

If you are so innocent why dont the 200 K serbs come back to their homes and their lands. Why are serbain kids beeing shot at? Why are old people robbed?

Why do u have retards standing on the road (in groups of 50) waiting for the vehicles with Serbs to pass by so they can throw rocks.

Fauna you are constantly some kind fo a victim. you cut the BS.

As for other countries, lets analyse again:

Switzerland: is supporting the independence of ur future state so they can finally expell 10% of its population that is Kosovo albanian. I guess they are sick of you

Belgium: Antwerp got a bad reputation only because of albanians

Greece: its an insult to call somebody "albanian". Its worse that swearing at their mother. I wonder why.

Germany: Ask any German next to who would they rather live, next to an albanian or a Serb? the answer is obvious. there was an albanian club opened up in Hameln, it shut down after one month. Your copatriots started stabbing each other.

Romania cant stand you guys. bulgaria as well.

I know that civilization closed its eye when it had to do its work on you siptars, but you have to try to at least behave like humans.

By the way, in Serbia you never had massive ralleys of "regular" people going to attack the minorities of its region . does march 2004 ring a bell?

Ivan, you are right. Shkijet are the sainteest people ever, they are so pure they make the pope look like a war criminal. You shkije, scum, are so holy that you throw bombs at Hungarians or should i use your bull fucking crap non-serbs term. Why don't you join either go to Hague or to hell...scum. This is the reason I want nothing to do with you or your terrorist country, full of scum. Let SERBIA burn, I don't give a shit. Let's see those flags move an inch, I want that homage to be paid.

I'm glad you like to analyze Albanians in slavic countries. I wonder how a shka (serb) is considered in Bosnia, Turkey, America, Arabia...etc.

"I know that civilization closed its eye when it had to do its work on you siptars, but you have to try to at least behave like humans."Where the hell was Hitler to massacre your fucking scum race...that's the only thing I agree with him. All of you are scum, and until you learn to stop worshiping the devil you should be punished. God bless the innocent, and the free world.

I agree with you that stealing is immoral. No matter how long it takes, thieves are eventually found out, bombed shitless, and taken to Hague where they drug themselves to death on leprosy medicine. The property stolen, even if the theft happenned in the distant 1913, will be given back to its rightful owners.

P.S. You sent me into depression earlier when you said that Romanians, Bulgarians, and Greeks can't stand us. I'm still kinda gloomy.

you know how the çetniks seem to me right now, just like when you cut the head of the chicken and you let it go and it dances headless without any direction, that's serbia right now. for any non-albanian, non-serbian people in this blog that arehearing both sides of the argument, watch the movie "No man's land" (winner of numerous international awards) and you will get a clear picture of the serb mentality and just the kind of saints they are, and çetniks... and yes i know it's a movie but that really is the way çetniks are

If Albanians are so hated than why is almost every Western fictional representation of danger from the Balkans about Serbs? I was even playing Firestom Blackhawk with my friend's kid's Playstation and you know what one of the scenarios was: killing Serbs who were preventing food deliveries from getting to a Bosnian town. Prime Suspect's last series was about Serb war criminals and rapists. The Saint (made in 1997!) was about a Serb terrorist.

And as an American who lives in Kosovo I have never heard of Serbs called anything but war criminals. Now I have Serbian acquaintances who I never discuss politics with otherwise I wouldn't be friendly with them. Even the progressive ones will say how they actually lost more people in the wars than everyone else. To which I say next time don't start four wars my dears. Everyone else only had the one you see. It's that self-serving attitude of victimhood that turns the world against Serbia as much as anything else. Think about it. And go to Paris or London or New York and say you're a Serb. See what kind of reception you get. Or just walk to your old Foreign Ministry and take a good look at it or the old TV station take a hard look at that as well. That is what the international community thought of you. Of course I'm sure a few other racists and revisionists of the David Irving type will love you and I'm absolutely sure they will give you a warm welcome and quite frankly you should take them back with you to Serbia, make them Serbs and we will make sure they never get a visa out of the country again. And then all of us in the West will love you.

Also if you put them all in one spot in case we have to bomb you again that would be helpful

"And go to Paris or London or New Yorkhow and say you're a Serb. See what kind of reception you get."

I did that. Last weekend I was in New York, met a lot of people and they were interested about Serbia. I live in Belgium and Belgians tell me how litle they know about Balkans and how much they would love to visit Serbia.

As for the international commun ity bombarding us, those bombs were meant to be against the Milosevic regime. Solana and Albright went out on CNN claiming that Serbs are not bombarded, but the regime of Milosevic. Pretty much the same how US attacked Iraq, but not because they didnt like the IRaqi people but because of Husein.

And for your information, Belgrade's tourism is really growing. We call it the Danube tourism, where the Germans and Austrians come down to Belgrade because they love our night life. Guca is a festival where all of the balkans (except albanians) meet and enjoy the gypsy trumpet music. Maybe you should join us, Romas have very beautiful music, and we serbs love it. Its much better to listen to their music than to torture them as you do in Kosovo

"Finally you agree that you did not get rid of NAzi mentality. Anyways it took Germany 50 years to be denazified, you should start working on it."

You are truely idiot. I never was a nazi, I just agree that Hitlers idea to get rid of the Slavics was pure genius. Even he knew of you scumish race...what do you expect of anything that comes out of russia? HAHAHAScum

" I never was a nazi, I just agree that Hitlers idea to get rid of the Slavics was pure genius. Even he knew of you scumish race...what do you expect of anything that comes out of russia? HAHAHA"

You personally do hold the nazi genes. Dont forget that albania was an axis ally. A faithful Hitlers right hand, especially when it came to execute slavs.

I guess you are trying to accomplish what hitler didnt manage 60 years ago. But let me remind you fascism has died 60 years ago. But i guess it takes time until you siptars realise that.

As for Russia, i would love to see the attempt of "brave" terrorist KLA children killers, attacking Russia. Napoleon failed in Russia, so did Hitler. But Ceku i am sure will succeed:) (for your stupid siptar head, this was a joke, in case you didnt understand).

Of course you like gypsy music, it doesnt have much difference with your music. We love gypsies like you in Kosova, we wont have custodians without you being in Kosova, thus this shows than we want Serbs/Gypsies back. PLEASE HELP

"You personally do hold the nazi genes. Dont forget that albania was an axis ally. A faithful Hitlers right hand, especially when it came to execute slavs."You are truely an idiot!!! A dumb idiot, with lots of experience of being one.

You need to stop lying to yourself. First, I'm from NY and know quite well hardly anybody cares about Serbia and those who do recognize war criminals you are hence why the media sees Serb=war criminal.

And let me tell you something about Westerners. We are generally polite and unlike Serbs who let their racism show quite openly (I have never seen a more racist society myself) we keep our opinions to ourselves. Even the flaming racists. You may want to think about that.

Second, the lie that you treat Roma well won't hold. I've worked with Roma in Serbia (I lived in Belgrade as well) and Kosovo and Serbs treat them horribly go look by the train tracks to see who lives in those conditions. Who is picking the trash? Who endures taunts from your klinci? The Belgrade municipality had a policy to actually turn Roma out from their homes and of course there was the case of the Roma children who were beat up by human traffickers 2 summers ago and the police let the traffickers go because they thought it was just 'a gypsy fight' Serbia has one of the worst human rights on record when it comes to Roma and other minorities.

Also I could care less about the little bit of tourism you get. It is very little compared to anywhere else and only gets significant when you add in Montenegro. Even Sarajevo got it's fair share of crisis tourists back in the day. And who the hell wants to be in Belgrade in the summer and get swarmed the whole time by mosquitoes anyway. You should call it the malarial Danube.

This is what I mean when I say you are truely an idiot. This what you said right here, "Now tell me who would want to come back when you still have a lot of retards claiming statement 2."

I would like you to find me only 50 "retards" that are Albanian..who are Nazi's. Don't count me in, I only agree with killing all slavics. In fact where the fuck do you think a lot of Jewish people escaped to? A lot of them found a good safe heaven in Kosova and Albania (during WW2)...maybe I should stop, you don't know what a safe heaven is...do you? You know, that place, that Srebenica place.

We are not Nazis, in fact my Jewish friends would way anyday support independence to us Muslims then you winning, and last time I checked the faith Juddaism has more in common with Orthodox-Christian then Muslims.

This kind of racism between Serbians and Albanians are hilarious. Both sides are ridiculous I dont even get angry anymore I just laugh.

If you believe in your heart what you believe about Serbians/Albanians then no one can change it and no one can tell you otherwise and make you angry.

I personally am not a racist. I lived in the middle-east and suprisingly found it easier to fit in and adapt to the culture than the US. I have learned to tolerate people no matter what because 1 Albanian or a group of them cannot represent them all.

My Uncle was a paramedic and he was coming home from work one day after seeing a man that had his arm mutilated by a lawn mower. He could barely breath and his heartbeat was considerably lower. A local Albanian boy that owned a vendor nearby that knew our family, saw him get off the bus and pretty much not move at all from shock. He walked him to our home where he was able to be stabilized.

Ive heard some pretty bad stuff about Serbs from some Albanians and I found none of it was true with anyone I knew.

So for me atleast I don't think racism has much use since it targets entire populations based off of generalizations that usually dont apply to a majority but are chosen because they are the most degrading. It's immature.

It saddens me that since I started posting here until now, both sides seem to have the same hateful view towards each other.

Right, Albanians are the bad ones. Even though I do agree that only 99% are bad people, I can tell you a good 80% hate Serbis. Our hate is not silly. It's not based on the color of skin Mir. Our is based on a century of racism, racial superiority, and mistreatment like a 2nd or 3rd rate citizens in our own country. You can't possibly ask Kosovars to love Serbs with open arms when your people support the people that burned our homes, killed and massacred by the hundreds, and burned our mosques. The people that want you dead, and kiss war-heros such as Mladic, Babic, and Slobodan Milosevic. You don't know what hate is becuase no one ever picked on you because of your faith, the Muslims in Middle-East were nice, not warmongers and criminals.

I finally agreed with you in all this time. Like I've said all along that both sides are guilty in their views towards each other. And specific comments do not reflect all of the ppl. Any Albanian here that can tell me that all Serbs are bad are not telling the truth and VICE VERSA!

Ivana:

keep on blogging bc you make me laugh the most. You repeat the four cases over and over. Its a great ploy if there are new viewers to this blog. The media does this a lot, so that the main points stick in ppls minds (the propaganda that is). A lot of times your reasonings are flawed. But you repeat yourself constantly. Try a new idea once in a while or a new example. Ivana I hope you have a great day and plz continue to make me laugh :) I enjoy it :)

I just remembered an old tape I saw when I was a kid from a Kosovan Comedian. The talk was about kids and how Albanians have so many and then it turned to the Serbians and why they have so few. The thing that stuck in my mind was this:

I guess you really have nothing smart to say.. than to provoke me calling me Ivana.

Kristijan you mad me laugh. Good one i have to give it to you. :)

But the fact still remains no matter how much it hurts you, you will always remain a siptar.

Statehood_Kosova_4sURE said... "...Our is based on a century of racism, racial superiority, and mistreatment like a 2nd or 3rd rate citizens in our own country. You can't possibly ask Kosovars to love Serbs with open arms when your people support the people that burned our homes, killed and massacred by the hundreds, and burned our mosques."

give me a break please. Century of discrimination. Yes ofcourse, you were the only minority group in SFRY who had its own Academy of Science. You were really discriminated.

Mir, I totally agree with you, but sorry I am not a good enough Christian to turn my cheek when somebody slaps me. Patriah Pavle did that and now they spit on him and burn the house of our Lord.

I love you guys. You make me laugh and that's what the world needs, more clowns. There are not enough clowns in this world, and certainly not enough nationalist bullshit to go around, right? I read that you have claimed Alexander the great as an Albanian hero. i nearly died laughing - is this another attempt at killing the innocent through death by laughter? I mean after all you can't even afford a bowl of pasta - how can you afford a gun? Is your new weapon really bad humor? Please answer, I am curious. The only thing your country has offered the world is cheap prostitutes, and for this we thank you.

Now as for the issue in Kosovo, you my beloved Siptars are a sell out race, and here you are on your knees to the powers that be. "The Ottomans brought Islamisation with them, particularly in towns, and later also created the Viyalet of Kosovo as one of the Ottoman territorial entities. This brought a great shift, as the Orthodox population (Serbian, Bulgarian, and Greek) began to lose its majority when masses of Turks and Albanians (Muslims or Catholics) moved to Kosovo." You see know I know why you are muslim, it is from all the Turkish semon you ingested.

Ivan, why the hell do you talk about a place you know squat about? I hate how shkijet love to ramble about something they have no clue. I name you racism and racial superiority, and you comeback with University of Science...do you even know what racism and racial superiority means?

Dino, I'm glad you want to kill all Albanians, and also had no education. This is the reason why I want my government to give education to every citizen, so they don't become like you.

Ivan you are so smart, I just love how you always forgett the fact of Kosovars being beaten, and killed, and kids being thrown out of school so serbian kids could have "better learning"...or better yet the Chetniks who were trigger friendly.Keep playing victim...just so you know, your full of shit.

yes i know what racism means. It means not being able to leave your house without the protection of UNMIK soldiers. IT means having constantly groups of 50 retards on the roads waiting for Serbian vehicles to pass by so they can throw rocks at them. It means old people being killed and robbed. It means constant coward attacks of throwing hand granades in Serbian houses. It means children shot at while bathing in a lake. It means children being shot at only because they are carrying serbian books. It means massive attacks of siptars with the goal of killing all the serbs (march 2004 ring a bell?). It means laughing at innocent victims. IT means raising statues to the terrorists on the grounds of church, to the same ones who burned it. It means burning more than 150 churhces....and the list goes on and on you stupid siptar.

The worst thing is... all this was done by regular siptars. Siptars who will then teach their children of good behaviour and moral.

Tell me what will you say to your child when it has to play with serbian children? "son here is a knife, kill as many as possible, its fun"?

Ivan you scum,I am from Albania and i am following the developments very closely. I know that throwing mud is a traditional serbian game but in order to make things clear, Do you have ant official reports about all those killing and burnings that you are mentioning (beside serb media)?At least you know that hurts to be on the spot.

Sure i do have an official report. Find the UNHCR report on minorities. Also the killing of the children swimming in the lake was condemned by the UN Security Council. March 2004 ethnic clensign has been reported by all of the world leading media. Check the KEK report of who has electricity and who doesnet. What about the Kosovo Corps reports of minorities abuse.

Check also the UN report on the completion of standards, especially in the case of minority rights.

Check the UN refugee reports of the number of Serbs who came back to their homes in Kosovo and Metohija.

Its not throwing mud, its speaking out the truth of what is happening.

"Anonymous said... Ivan,

Very touching "

YEs it is. Please say that to the families who your siptars made miserable.

"but sorry I am not a good enough Christian to turn my cheek when somebody slaps me "

Its not you alone. Just about everyones faith and values have been shaken or shattered with all the wars going around the world. Hopefully there can be a bit of peace in the Balkans so that the people of the Balkans can remember their culture and identity and customs.

Mainly I want peace so that I will be able to go to Dalmatia on vacation because Montenegro sucks comparing to Dalmatia :p .

Ivana you scum. You mention propaganda so well...yet you miss beating and things like Srebenica, and starting World Wars. Can you do me a favor? Next time you open your mouth, could you shut up?

Oh Dino, your education is showing.

Invana I am glad little kids 3-10 years old are throwing tiny little rocks at busses, OMG it must be so dramatic. Your crying over tiny little rocks..these are the people that kiss the pictures of Slobodan's...they should all go back to the Ural Mountains, with you included.

PSSerbs throw bombs at Hungarians in Vojvodina, don't try that crap around me.

"We started ONE world war and lost a QUARTER of our entire population. You dont think Serbia payed the price for starting WW1?"

Hell no, Germany paid in Billions for it. Why do you think Germanies economy collapsed so bad? History shows us that Serbs are always the ones to provoke anyone. You start a war then you whine like a fucking bitch we lost these many people. It's called the price of war, why did you start it? He in fact I believe was a Croatian-Serb who wanted his territory to be included in Serbia (hint: Greater Serbia) and did something every serb had in mind, but he got lucky to kill the Archeduke of Austria-Hungary. He is the example of Slobodan Milosevic, he did something all Serbs dreamt off, it wasn't like he was doing something completely radical, but he knew nationalism would get him more support...so next time you hear Ivana or anyone else bitch about anything ask yourself, "who started the war, who was the aggressor?"

We're not talking about Germany's losses but Serbias. Germany/Austria were the ones that DECLARED war so If you want to be technical about it they formally started WW1.

"History shows us that Serbs are always the ones to provoke anyone. You start a war then you whine like a fucking bitch we lost these many people. "

What kind of 'history' book could you be possible reading if we started every war ever? There is a difference between provoking and starting. Germany used the assassination as an excuse to finally exercise their war machine they were building up for a while. That's no secret or spin thats a widely agreed historian stance.

And I am not whining about losing 1/4 of population. Im just giving you a number. Thats a pretty big percentage of any country's population to lose. But you have the right to your opinion and I, to mine.

You realize that what the US did would probably today be considered a war crime? The US even apologized to Japan for it (I believe it was in 91 or 92 but im not certain).

They dropped a nuclear weapon that killed anyone in its immediate radius. If you were outside the radius you could get radiation sicknesses and mutations. Look at how many Japanese people wear glasses today. And today Americans are worried about getting hit by a weapon of mass destruction (that THEY made and used on civilians TWICE 50 years ago) from terrorists. Its a great irony of the history of warfare. They opened Pandora's box. My personal opinion is not as "joyful" towards the Americans using a nuclear weapon as yours are.

Their actions arent seen as radical today because they won that war. Winners write history, its been that way since men first started warring.

These are my personal opinions and arent meant to be insulting in any way or draw negative comments.

"We're not talking about Germany's losses but Serbias. Germany/Austria were the ones that DECLARED war so If you want to be technical about it they formally started WW1."

I don't think you understand the seriousness here. Your compadre assassinated the Archduke. I've heard people say that Germany probably paid him just so they could enter a war..I don't believe it. The Versaill agreement put all the blame on Germany, and made Germany pay huge money, put all blame, and Germans lost lands. All because that guy killed the archduke. Now if your fellow compadre didn't kill him history would be so much better.

You do know that America is allowed to use the nuclear bomb right? If it wasn't it wouldn't be allowed to make more...But since America is so strong and they own the UN no one can do squat about it. Do you think RUSSIA is going to step up to America? Last time I checked they were getting foodstamps from America.

"I've heard people say that Germany probably paid him just so they could enter a war..I don't believe it. "

Neither do I. But Germany was waiting for an event to happen that was significant enough for them to call out a war. It was the Germans that opened up the Western fronts and Eastern fronts not the Serbians or the British or the Americans. They lost and were seen as the agressor.

Mir, it was Austria-Hungary that gave Serbia 24/48 Hour ultamatum, to give the criminal in their hands. It was serbias fault not to hand over such a criminal..WHY DO U THINK SERBIA DIDNT GIVE THEM THAT PUNK???? Because Serbia supported his actions 110%. If Serbia gave him up you would have a war in SERBIA of the 99% NATIONALIST that are dying for GREATER SERBIA. Germany backed up A+H to invade Serbia. You are trying to blame Germany that it was their fault, it wasn't. Yes they were itchying to fight but it wasn't like all of a sudden they decided to just invade countries without a reason. If serbia didnt want to lose 25% of its population then why didnt it hand over the criminal who did his work in the name of serbia?? All those people die and serbia gets away without one fine, without nothing. Serbia should have been punished badly.

If I go to belgrade kill 25 serbs in the name of Greater Kosova..and hide in albania..then serbia request my return from albania and ALBANIA refuses this or even the idea of punishing me. Then serbia decides to invade Albania but kosova starts to invade serbia and wins..its still albanias fault MAINLY for STARTING THE WAR. I can't say germans aren't guilty for killing so many people..they are, but serbs started the war.