125mm at the back end is a good amount I reckon, But liKe all Santa Cruz frames it will be epically expensive

As for 650b V's 29er it's one of the reasons I won't be buying a bike for the next year or more till is settles down a bit....that and my retro no longer made (2011) carbon 100mm 26er is so perfect I have no need apart from shiny shiny sindrome!!!!

Chips put it well when he said 650b was for people with a short travel 29er who want a long travel bike and can't bring themselves to go back to a 26" wheeled bike. Or for people who can't bring themselves to ride a 29er.

Some of the Santa Cruz boys were racing them yesterday. I couldn't tell tbh, they just looked like Blurs. No idea whether Andy Barlow switched bikes or not, they need wheel stickers that say "EVER SO SLIGHTLY BIGGER, GET EXCITED!"

But I did overtake that Chris Ball on one so I think that resolves the 650B vs 2.5s on 26 inch issue for good, non?