Diogenes:#1 factor. Which is the #1 reason they needed a sterling launch and blew it.

But the existence of a misinformation campaign is undeniable.

Totally true. They blew the launch. I'm one of those people who thinks it doesn't matter much. In 3 years no one will give a shiat, and the idea of arguing against the ACA based on its botched launch will be absurd.

DamnYankees:Diogenes: #1 factor. Which is the #1 reason they needed a sterling launch and blew it.

But the existence of a misinformation campaign is undeniable.

Totally true. They blew the launch. I'm one of those people who thinks it doesn't matter much. In 3 years no one will give a shiat, and the idea of arguing against the ACA based on its botched launch will be absurd.

I'm sure it will too. But, we can be a dumb people and some can't differentiate between piss-poor IT project management and the ACA itself. While I'm annoyed that it gave the critics another angle for attacks, we will get past it.

Dust:My boss has been routinely advising his employees not to bother signing up for the exchanges. He's under the impression that it will be repealed soon anyway, before any penalties can go into effect.

HR is generally just frozen, mouth agape in shock at his all-staff email advice sessions.

Wow. He needs to hire a PEO company to handle his compliance, he's gonna get pummeled.

How many people are out there thinking that it's too late to sign up for healthcare through the exchanges? Most of the media I heard / saw during the Christmas break was horrible in this extent. "Today is the last possible day to sign up! The Obama administration extended the deadline one more day, but that's it!"

Nearly always forgot to mention: "...in order for you to be covered by insurance on January 1st. But you can still sign up for insurance until the end of March before you get taxed for not being covered."

Lando Lincoln:How many people are out there thinking that it's too late to sign up for healthcare through the exchanges? Most of the media I heard / saw during the Christmas break was horrible in this extent. "Today is the last possible day to sign up! The Obama administration extended the deadline one more day, but that's it!"

Nearly always forgot to mention: "...in order for you to be covered by insurance on January 1st. But you can still sign up for insurance until the end of March before you get taxed for not being covered."

The media's job is not to report things accurately, their job is to dramatize it so that you don't change the channel.

Dust:My boss has been routinely advising his employees not to bother signing up for the exchanges. He's under the impression that it will be repealed soon anyway, before any penalties can go into effect.

HR is generally just frozen, mouth agape in shock at his all-staff email advice sessions.

Our HR department gave a presentation last year that basically said "they may not be able to offer health insurance any longer due to the rising costs of healthcare due to the ACA" - mind you, this was before all of the costs had been announced and just before the election. Many of the execs are tea-baggers...you do the math.

garandman1a:But as long as we're at it, which 2 months didn't it work? It still doesn't work, 3 months since it was launched.

I would assume he meant October and November when just over 100 thousand Americans enrolled, but the fact that you're adamant that functionality hadn't been in December show how impressive it is that nearly a million people enrolled using the site this month.

I signed up for Obamacare, the whole "Affordable" thing draw me in, I made the mistake of voting for assclown the first time around, I voted Romney the second - I was hoping there would be a POSSIBILITY of having insurance once in my life time.

My wife has cancer, i'm 31 with no health problems, or smoke - for the very basic insurance? $680 a month, excluding my wife who can't get medicare because it was not extended in my state (thanks asshole).

/yep goign to wait until its repelled and hope the costs go down again, it was $325 a month when I first signed up, then it skyrocketed

Misconduc:My wife has cancer, i'm 31 with no health problems, or smoke - for the very basic insurance? $680 a month, excluding my wife who can't get medicare because it was not extended in my state (thanks asshole).

Assuming the "Lakeland" in your bio is Lakeland, FL, I just went to Healthcare.gov right now and say that there are bronze plans starting at $213 per month for you. And that's without subsidies.

People aren't signing up for Obamacare because it's a raw deal for them.

Say you're uninsured. Your medical care is basically free. With Obamacare, you have to pay monthly premiums, and you have to pay for your care too - because for any premium you can afford the deductible is like $10k.

Poor people can do math too, and the math really doesn't work out.

For some people Obamacare will be a great deal. For those with pre-existing conditions or have expensive, long-term treatment Obamacare will be great. No maximums means that we can all pay for your cancer treatments forever.

So eat all the fast food and smoke everything that you want, because we'll all pay for your treatment later in life when you get diabetes and lung cancer. Thanks!

halfpastnvr:Dust: My boss has been routinely advising his employees not to bother signing up for the exchanges. He's under the impression that it will be repealed soon anyway, before any penalties can go into effect.

HR is generally just frozen, mouth agape in shock at his all-staff email advice sessions.

Our HR department gave a presentation last year that basically said "they may not be able to offer health insurance any longer due to the rising costs of healthcare due to the ACA" - mind you, this was before all of the costs had been announced and just before the election. Many of the execs are tea-baggers...you do the math.

ACA is destroying most of the old minimal care plans most companies used to offer. You know, the really cheap ones. The reason? According to the ACA; those cheapo depo plans don't cover enough. Plenty of hardworking people will lose their jobs, because big corporations are cheap. They'd rather employ more people, for less total hours per employee. This law couldn't be better written to screw over the little guy.

DamnYankees:Misconduc: My wife has cancer, i'm 31 with no health problems, or smoke - for the very basic insurance? $680 a month, excluding my wife who can't get medicare because it was not extended in my state (thanks asshole).

Assuming the "Lakeland" in your bio is Lakeland, FL, I just went to Healthcare.gov right now and say that there are bronze plans starting at $213 per month for you. And that's without subsidies.

garkola:People aren't signing up for Obamacare because it's a raw deal for them.

Say you're uninsured. Your medical care is basically free. With Obamacare, you have to pay monthly premiums, and you have to pay for your care too - because for any premium you can afford the deductible is like $10k.

Poor people can do math too, and the math really doesn't work out.

For some people Obamacare will be a great deal. For those with pre-existing conditions or have expensive, long-term treatment Obamacare will be great. No maximums means that we can all pay for your cancer treatments forever.

So eat all the fast food and smoke everything that you want, because we'll all pay for your treatment later in life when you get diabetes and lung cancer. Thanks!

That makes me want to go out to buy a carton of marble lights and a mega cherry coke with chocolate. And maybe pick up a bucket of poplars from KFC.

I was listening to a family friend on Christmas Eve going off on how Obamacare was going to crush family. He hadn't even researched his specifics, hadn't attempted to enroll, and was totally unaware of the fact that he's entitled to subsidies (which took me all of 10 minutes on my cell phone to find out for him). But he knew it EVIL!

His father is constantly pumping him with the derp, though. But you'd figure after so many years of being misled by the guy he'd know better.

garkola:People aren't signing up for Obamacare because it's a raw deal for them.

Say you're uninsured. Your medical care is basically free. With Obamacare, you have to pay monthly premiums, and you have to pay for your care too - because for any premium you can afford the deductible is like $10k.

Poor people can do math too, and the math really doesn't work out.

For some people Obamacare will be a great deal. For those with pre-existing conditions or have expensive, long-term treatment Obamacare will be great. No maximums means that we can all pay for your cancer treatments forever.

So eat all the fast food and smoke everything that you want, because we'll all pay for your treatment later in life when you get diabetes and lung cancer. Thanks!

Except there hasn't been any real world data set from countries with natural healthcare programs that show this moral hazard come to fruition. Americans didn't have a history of avoiding cancer and diabetes because of the cost of care, and other countries don't show individuals suddenly having a spike in those cases out of line with the international increase in these diseases in the last few decades.

It's almost like healthcare costs are highly inelastic and people either don't consider the cost of potential ailments regardless of price or are naturally avoiding sickness regardless of cost because being sick sucks.

Obamacare will fail, and will be eventually replaced by a system similar to Britain's NHS. Your employer doesn't give a fark about your insurance, and will be glad to rid themselves of this problem at the earliest convenient opportunity. Like any other thing of value, medical care will be rationed. Congress, the POTUS, and other people more important than you and me will receive special access to places like the Bethesda Naval Hospital etc.

Diogenes:I was listening to a family friend on Christmas Eve going off on how Obamacare was going to crush family. He hadn't even researched his specifics, hadn't attempted to enroll, and was totally unaware of the fact that he's entitled to subsidies (which took me all of 10 minutes on my cell phone to find out for him). But he knew it EVIL!

His father is constantly pumping him with the derp, though. But you'd figure after so many years of being misled by the guy he'd know better.

Where's the subsidy for people who loose full time jobs because the company they work for is too cheap to pay for the insurance?

/ I agree with the sentiment that everyone needs access to affordable healthcare; the only thing is, who's going to pay for it? Insurance companies? Please

DamnYankees:It seems pretty obvious to me that Obamacare enrollment is low because the website didn't work for 2 months.

It's low because, regardless of opinion on the law, America is full to the rafters with intellectual dwarves. People either will cut off their nose to spite their face and even actively do everything possible to make the law fail (not enroll or hinder those that want to), bang their head against a wall rather than circumvent the problems with the website (i.e. pick up the damn phone and call the toll free number to enroll), or just not bother doing anything except for blaming anyone but themselves.