Originally posted by darthbane77 Nothing really specific, I just get the feeling that's what Lucasfilm is going for. Like you said yourself, they seem to be operating based on a "bigger is better" plan. And what SW villains are bigger than DE Sidious and Valkorion? I mean, sans Abeloth, but I don't think she's gonna be included into Canon anytime soon.

Well I mean, Canon is pretty much a clean slate, so he could be more powerful within the context of the Canon universe but not the Legends.

I'm just not really seeing DE Sid or Valk levels, given how ridiculous some of their stuff is. I mean we'll see what's what though.

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Originally posted by MythLord Him having no relationship with Sidious is irrelevant, as according to you his goal is power. The fact that Anakin is his grandfather would make the familial bond only stronger and make him aspire to be his level first and then maybe overthrow Snoke later. Once again, it could also be referring to the task of handling the Jedi Order.

Let me give you a real life example: A young boy hears how his grandfather was a soldier in a war, who fought bravely for his country. Inspired, he goes into the millitary to try and emulate what his grandfather did. Would he then immediately throw his grandpa out the window as a set goal when he sees the generals overseeng his training and be like Yeah, screw that old cuck, I wanna be like this big dude who's barking orders at me!?
No, obviously not. The connection between Ren and Vader is familial and a key part for the emotional development of Ben.

An example in Star Wars is how ancient Sith such as Exar Kun, or TOR Sith such as Malgus inspired Palpatine's acolytes and even Vader... I'm assuming Malgus is > Sidious now?

When he meets a better mentor then he would most likely look up to him more than to his revered ancestor. Doesn't mean he's saying "screw him" to the ancestor.

Unless of course Snoke is some completely different entity where he can't possibly ever hope to be as powerful.

Otherwise I have no idea why you family ties will always be so much stronger than ties with real life mentors.

Originally posted by MythLord Because it's a certain familial standard and wish to finish what his grandpa started. Also, yeah there is the possibility and all-likelihood that Snoke is simply beyond Kylo's ability to surpass.

Well I'm hoping not. There's no need for Snoke to be > Palpatine in this time period where besides Luke the only threats are Rey and Kylo, and Vader would trounce them both.

I really hope they don't just do the Starkiller Base compared to Death Star nonesense.

Plus Snoke seems to have been in hiding during the OT. Unless of course he came later from another galaxy or some shit like that.

Empire's End doesn't indicate anything to me, really. We know far too little about Snoke to make a judgement on this now. All I can say is that it's possible, given the ST is so far trying to one-up the OT on everything.

Andy Serkis and reality disagree with you. This thread is proof the Ot fanboys won't accept anything that contradicts their preconceived notions. Rey and Ben are so extremely powerful Luke only felt this level of power twice. On screen Snoke obliterated Rey in terms of force power. Undeniable.

Originally posted by TheMuser I Hate to be....ya know.....that guy. But if we are comparing Rey/Kylo to Legends characters their honestly not even that good from what I can tell. Luke/Snoke aren't much better.

Well the majority of threads with them are just New Canon only, so don't think that's a real issue.

__________________"I have paid a heavy price. Now, they will pay that price tenfold."
―Jeffren Brek

quanchi, it's a pretty bad indication of your own bias when you just happen to wank or un-wank every single character that you predicted was going to be powerful or weak before the movie even comes out (e.g. Snoke, Superman, etc.). There are two possibilities:

1. You have magical foresight and can predict the plot details of every single movie, or