Yeah because countless ex players have gone on to become great coaches and player evaluators

Please he's just another media member at this point. And most of these guys haven't a clue.

Exactly right, which is why I don't watch any tv, read newspapers, or peruse the internet for any NFL news. I solely get my info by following bgvis21, because the hell with former players and guys who get paid to do nothing but follow the NFL all day, bgvis21 has ALL the inside scoops and knows ALL the great draft picks and busts.

Exactly right, which is why I don't watch any tv, read newspapers, or peruse the internet for any NFL news. I solely get my info by following bgvis21, because the hell with former players and guys who get paid to do nothing but follow the NFL all day, bgvis21 has ALL the inside scoops and knows ALL the great draft picks and busts.

Thank you!!

I didnt have the strength to post a response.

Why people posting out here keep insisting that they know more than every former player or coach to have actaully played in the NFL is beyond me.

Are analysts always correct? Of course not, only God is always correct!!

But to act like analysts should all be treated like idiots is a position that makes absolutely no sense to me!!!!

Exactly right, which is why I don't watch any tv, read newspapers, or peruse the internet for any NFL news. I solely get my info by following bgvis21, because the hell with former players and guys who get paid to do nothing but follow the NFL all day, bgvis21 has ALL the inside scoops and knows ALL the great draft picks and busts.

There's a big difference between breaking down X's and O's and determing how well someone can transition from college to NFL to well, regurtitating facts told to them by insiders. Both of us could do that.

It's funny how you attack me and try to twist my words to make your point. But what I have said is still valid. You can go to Ray Lucas, Todd McShay, or Mel Kiper and sure, they know a lot more about football than I do. And sure they watch to everyday. But how many times have these guys been wrong about who's going to be a good player. I think what all us can agree on is that none of these guys really know if college players are going to pan out in the NFL and they seem to be more wrong than right.

But hey, you're going to believe what your told by the guy on the TV and never question it.

Exactly right, which is why I don't watch any tv, read newspapers, or peruse the internet for any NFL news. I solely get my info by following bgvis21, because the hell with former players and guys who get paid to do nothing but follow the NFL all day, bgvis21 has ALL the inside scoops and knows ALL the great draft picks and busts.

where was all this very good personnel that rex started with? seems to me he took mangini's patsie clone players on defense and turned them from middling to top 10. they haven't been real set on offence except for sanchez, dbrick, mangold, keller and moore. every other position is a revolving door. so i'm not quite sure if you can pin this all on rex.

Originally Posted by SAR I

That is not the right chronology. More like revisionist history.

The Jets were a get rich quick scheme, a way to put a highly entertaining product on the field to stimulate interest and sell personal seat licenses in a new stadium. Started with Brett Favre in '08, went through Plaxico Burress in '11.

What looked like a great idea to sell tickets turned into a bonafide strategy to build a winning team in the NFL. Like George Steinbrenner, Woody Johnson enabled Mike Tannenbaum to go on a spending spree and mortgage the future so as to do something in the present. We had the best two year run in Jets history, and it wasn't due to some incompetence; it was a deliberate strategy.

And that's where your buddy Rex Ryan comes in. Because he took the most talented Jets team we've ever seen in our lifetimes and he did nothing with it. Had two chances at an AFC championship and an appearance in the Super Bowl and had his team pull a no-show both times. Inexcusable performances, horrific preparation, lousy coaching.

In the NFL, you are lucky if you get a three or four year run to do something. The Jets had their shot, Rex Ryan blew it, and now he gets to ride the Titanic 5 miles deep.

And that's where your buddy Rex Ryan comes in. Because he took the most talented Jets team we've ever seen in our lifetimes and he did nothing with it. Had two chances at an AFC championship and an appearance in the Super Bowl and had his team pull a no-show both times. Inexcusable performances, horrific preparation, lousy coaching.

In the NFL, you are lucky if you get a three or four year run to do something. The Jets had their shot, Rex Ryan blew it, and now he gets to ride the Titanic 5 miles deep.

That's the story.

SAR I

Do you really feel that the 2009-2010 teams were more talented than the 1998 team? Or the stacked teams in the 80's with the Sack Exchange and Co. on defense and McNeil, Walker, Toon, Shuler, Powell, et al. on offense? (Cue that picture of Joe Walton with the cigar that you love so much.)

The Jets were not ill-prepared against the Colts. If you recall, they jumped out to an early lead, only to be unable to stop a comeback by an all-time great QB vs. an undermanned secondary. (To Tannenbaum's credit, he did address this deficiency later with the acquisitions of Cromartie and Wilson to go with Revis.)

The Jets did come out flat against the Steelers, and I can't argue with you for holding Rex responsible for that. That they fought back from a 23-point deficit and almost pulled the game out Is not insignificant, though.

Ray Lucas, gritty former player who had to fight for his spot in the NFL, respected by HOF HC Bill Parcells, believes that Rex and Woody are a joke.

But you know better.............

Ray Lucas thinks his sh*t doesn't stink on the show and sucked as a player He played for the hated Pats & Dolphins and further proof he sucked is this...

Ray Lucas holds the unenviable distinction of worst single game quarterback performance by any Dolphin. On October 20, 2002, in one game against the Buffalo Bills, Lucas was responsible for 6 turnovers: 4 interceptions and 2 fumbles. He completed only 13 passes to Dolphin receivers. The player that caught the most passes from Lucas was Buffalo Cornerback Nate Clements