A Possible Sequence of Events According to Bible Prophecy

I think that when the Mark of the Beast is enforced, it's because the food is so tightly rationed that everyone will have to get in line for it.

Quoting: Keep2theCode

But it's also supposedly going to be ridiculously expensive. Who is going to bother receiving a Mark for the privilege of "buying" stuff they can't even afford?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578

People in communist and third-world countries do this all the time; they wait for hours just to get some necessity that is horribly over-priced. You'd be surprised what people will do to keep from starving.

I think that when the Mark of the Beast is enforced, it's because the food is so tightly rationed that everyone will have to get in line for it.

Quoting: Keep2theCode

But it's also supposedly going to be ridiculously expensive. Who is going to bother receiving a Mark for the privilege of "buying" stuff they can't even afford?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578

People in communist and third-world countries do this all the time; they wait for hours just to get some necessity that is horribly over-priced. You'd be surprised what people will do to keep from starving.

Quoting: Keep2theCode

Doesn't that kind of blunt the impact of the scenario? By that I mean what's the big deal, if it's already been commonly occurring? You don't suppose there's any chance that this verse has already been fulfilled, perhaps?It's kind of like the "wars and rumors of wars" line. . .doesn't exactly narrow down a specific time frame, as there have been wars and rumors of wars throughout history.

I know it is very difficult for christians to accept the fact - what you are studying and some of you have invested a great deal of time and soul searching, is in fact an "alien" long range plan in motion...

They intend to once again have a direct overt presence on this planet, as it was during the time of Atlantis...

Descending from the heavens to an already made kingdom has a different meaning then you think...

They are not your god's, nor is the religious material they put out of divine origin... They are however very advanced technically and know how to control a planets inhabitants through a combination of genetics, religious hiearchy, financial, government, and military controls...

Doesn't that kind of blunt the impact of the scenario? By that I mean what's the big deal, if it's already been commonly occurring? You don't suppose there's any chance that this verse has already been fulfilled, perhaps?It's kind of like the "wars and rumors of wars" line. . .doesn't exactly narrow down a specific time frame, as there have been wars and rumors of wars throughout history.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578

The point, I think, is that even if you have the money, you can't have anything without pledging loyalty to the Beast by taking his mark. I can't think of any time in history when this has been a global law.

The "wars and rumors of wars" statement was part of the "not yet" Jesus talked about, so of course we shouldn't look for that as a sign of the end. Rather, it is the "birth pangs" that tell us something about timing: they will happen more and more closely together and increase in intensity. When they happen almost nonstop and are severe, as would seem to be the case today in regard to earthquakes and other events, we should know that the "birth" is very near.

I know it is very difficult for christians to accept the fact - what you are studying and some of you have invested a great deal of time and soul searching, is in fact an "alien" long range plan in motion...

They intend to once again have a direct overt presence on this planet, as it was during the time of Atlantis...

Descending from the heavens to an already made kingdom has a different meaning then you think...

They are not your god's, nor is the religious material they put out of divine origin... They are however very advanced technically and know how to control a planets inhabitants through a combination of genetics, religious hiearchy, financial, government, and military controls...

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3711900

What I think is most difficult for non-Christians to accept is that maybe, just maybe, things are exactly as they appear in the Bible. They'll look anywhere and everywhere for some other explanation. They even think that all other possible explanations are superior to the Bible's.

The time before the Flood was under the influence of giants who were quite evil. They were the offspring of fallen angels and humans, a hybrid race that sought only to rule, enslave, and consume human beings. After their mortal bodies died, their spirits roamed the earth and are what we call demons. This is why demons seek to possess, and why they are always hurting and killing people. The elite of today are certainly either possessed or are of the same genetic hybridization, which explains their wish for all of us to suffer and die.

In the book of Job, God asks him whether he can "loose the bands of Orion" or "break the chains of the Pleides". Some speculate that God was referring to the fact that the fallen angels were thrown into Tartarus, and that ever since then, the demons and their human collaborators have been trying to "break the bonds" and loose them upon the earth once again.

No, they are not our gods, but our enemies. They corrupted what the one true God created. But they are running out of time; they know they are about to go to eternal torment. The Bible's prophecies tell us what to look for, how to recognize these evil ones, and how to resist and expose them. When the time is right, God will start the final countdown.

I know it is very difficult for christians to accept the fact - what you are studying and some of you have invested a great deal of time and soul searching, is in fact an "alien" long range plan in motion...

They intend to once again have a direct overt presence on this planet, as it was during the time of Atlantis...

Descending from the heavens to an already made kingdom has a different meaning then you think...

They are not your god's, nor is the religious material they put out of divine origin... They are however very advanced technically and know how to control a planets inhabitants through a combination of genetics, religious hiearchy, financial, government, and military controls...

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3711900

What I think is most difficult for non-Christians to accept is that maybe, just maybe, things are exactly as they appear in the Bible. They'll look anywhere and everywhere for some other explanation. They even think that all other possible explanations are superior to the Bible's.

The time before the Flood was under the influence of giants who were quite evil. They were the offspring of fallen angels and humans, a hybrid race that sought only to rule, enslave, and consume human beings. After their mortal bodies died, their spirits roamed the earth and are what we call demons. This is why demons seek to possess, and why they are always hurting and killing people. The elite of today are certainly either possessed or are of the same genetic hybridization, which explains their wish for all of us to suffer and die.

In the book of Job, God asks him whether he can "loose the bands of Orion" or "break the chains of the Pleides". Some speculate that God was referring to the fact that the fallen angels were thrown into Tartarus, and that ever since then, the demons and their human collaborators have been trying to "break the bonds" and loose them upon the earth once again.

No, they are not our gods, but our enemies. They corrupted what the one true God created. But they are running out of time; they know they are about to go to eternal torment. The Bible's prophecies tell us what to look for, how to recognize these evil ones, and how to resist and expose them. When the time is right, God will start the final countdown.

Quoting: Keep2theCode

OK, all I can say - you have to be where you have to be, it cannot be any other way...

that was an- obviously lame- attempt at humor. " Woman you gave to be with me", says NWT, if that helps. I was kind of referring to the idea that the thread is like his real estate or something, you 2 are privately p-m-ing ,and I felt by the end of the day, like I'd been put through my paces already, by your attitude of Madame Parliamentarian, and that you seemed to regard the rules as so obvious to all as to not need a mention, until violated by 'moi' , 'a threat to the whole western tradition', it appeared. That's when I thought you were being disingenuous, but now I see that is probably a blind spot for me, and that the way I just drift around, allowing myself to be corralled like livestock [and you're the day-wrangler?], under a thread title like that one, vaguely planning to explain that I don't think 'debate' is appropriate to this subject.... It can lead to misunderstandings.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10858311

Humor really doesn't come across in writing very well, so in the future you might consider adding a smiley or something.

thanks, i will do this.

Far as I could tell you were just blame-shifting.

I guess that's what i was referring to, since that scripture is Adam blame-shifting. It was self -deprecating "humor".

-Won't happen again. I'm still not sure why it upsets you so much.

Again: 'I thought you were being disingenuous, but now I see that is probably a blind spot for me, and that the way I just drift around, allowing myself to be corralled like livestock [and you're the day-wrangler?],under a thread title like that one, vaguely planning to explain that I don't think 'debate' is appropriate to this subject.... I accept, it can lead to misunderstandings. -Here I am saying you were kind of like a babysitter or more, my daytime debate opponent*[*your term] and after being debate-opposed all day in an increasingly cold manner, I was sad and tired.

The debate thread that your opponent started really is "his real estate".

If it's his real estate then you were definitely there occupying it like his hostess and a very no-nonsense one,if I may say. I'm sure it's wrong of me but I've always shuddered at the behavior of the teacher's pet, the tattletale, the bossy-boots and I'm sure it's wrong of me to lump you in with that, but it's a reflex of mine.

And it's difficult for me to stand idly by and watch someone have to debate people who weren't even invited (the still-unidentified sources),

They are cut-and-pastes from my Watchtower library CD Rom. I could have made PDFs, but don't know how to link to them. I've already agreed that I should have given the source, but thought it was obvious anyway.

Remember? you googled them and found on on JW.Org Watchtower Library [link to wol.jw.org] which I hadn't realized was online yet. As you know, the OP said "Cut and paste? Sure! Saves time!"

I'm aware that walls-o-text are particularly ineffective ways to get ones point across but I posted them because I loved every word and couldn't and can't see why anyone wouldn't, particularly if they love the much-maligned Bible, and the God of the Bible,and love scholarship, which were traits I recognized in you. I didn't consider posts attacks.

-and not be given a chance to respond between many posts in a row. The PM was ONE brief exchange wherein he expressed gratitude for my efforts on his behalf. If one accepts an invitation to a debate, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect them to know what that means. de·bate (d-bt)v. de·bat·ed, de·bat·ing, de·batesv.intr.1. To consider something; deliberate.2. To engage in argument by discussing opposing points.3. To engage in a formal discussion or argument. See Synonyms at discuss.4. Obsolete To fight or quarrel. [link to www.thefreedictionary.com] notice, not til 3rd definition is formal discussion mentioned.

And I have no clue what you mean by "a threat to western tradition".

I definitely live in my own little world, I know that now.

This was a series on PBS that always mesmerized me whenever I happened to catch it. It aired continuously for years, but would only be on at 5am, say, or if you were home sick from school-might be lucky enough to catch. here's a sample, but it doesn't have the wonderful intro music: "The Western Tradition", presented by Professor "Eugen Weber" at UCLA (University of California at Los Angeles): "While religious disputation became the Byzantine Empire's favorite sport - more so than chariot racing - a powerful force burst onto the world stage. It was called : ISLAM." [link to video.google.com]

Guess I mean "the western tradition" is what was supposed to be passed on in a "good education", maybe more in the 19th century. Might have had a Robert's Rules of Order Club in one's high school for the true enthusiasts, but rudimentary knowledge-of,could be assumed to be universal.

Anyway, that's all I'm going to say about it, especially here. Hopefully we can all return to the topic of sequence in Bible prophecy.

that was an- obviously lame- attempt at humor. " Woman you gave to be with me", says NWT, if that helps. I was kind of referring to the idea that the thread is like his real estate or something, you 2 are privately p-m-ing ,and I felt by the end of the day, like I'd been put through my paces already, by your attitude of Madame Parliamentarian...

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10858311

Even in your "apologies" you still throw backhanded jabs. I'm beginning to seriously question your sincerity.

Some years ago in a blog, there was a woman who was always buttering people up, and then using ambiguous terminology to oppose them. The buttering up was to make them hesitate to defend themselves, and the ambiguity was to provide "plausible deniability" for anything they said. I'm sorry, but you are showing the same pattern.

I'm still not sure why it upsets you so much.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10858311

See?

allowing myself to be corralled like livestock [and you're the day-wrangler?]... -Here I am saying you were kind of like a babysitter or more, my daytime debate opponent*[*your term] and after being debate-opposed all day in an increasingly cold manner, I was sad and tired.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10858311

See?

If it's his real estate then you were definitely there occupying it like his hostess and a very no-nonsense one,if I may say. I'm sure it's wrong of me but I've always shuddered at the behavior of the teacher's pet, the tattletale, the bossy-boots and I'm sure it's wrong of me to lump you in with that, but it's a reflex of mine.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10858311

See?

And bringing all this to a different thread isn't exactly showing sincerity either.

After giving you the salvation in its correct form and when the last trump occurs, i later find out that you are a woman and apparently have read many Bible`s numerous times, perhaps you might understand now why paul said he suffers not a woman to teach.how many people have you mixed with your misunderstanding of the word of GOD. By the way only the KJV1611 is the true word of GOD. that`s basic knowledge also to any pupil. take this rebuking and learn from it, don`t go against the word in future

"9. The old earth and space will be discarded and replaced. The New Jerusalem will be brought down from heaven to its permanent location, either just above or on the surface of the earth. There will be no more suffering, no more death, no more pain for all who belong to God, forever"

"9. The old earth and space will be discarded and replaced. The New Jerusalem will be brought down from heaven to its permanent location, either just above or on the surface of the earth. There will be no more suffering, no more death, no more pain for all who belong to God, forever"

After giving you the salvation in its correct form and when the last trump occurs, i later find out that you are a woman and apparently have read many Bible`s numerous times, perhaps you might understand now why paul said he suffers not a woman to teach.how many people have you mixed with your misunderstanding of the word of GOD. By the way only the KJV1611 is the true word of GOD. that`s basic knowledge also to any pupil. take this rebuking and learn from it, don`t go against the word in future

Quoting: understudy 27455981

You are not my teacher, not my authority, and not my God.

You also take Paul's teachings out of context to turn him into the misogynist you are, the opposite of the freeing and woman-affirming Savior I worship. God is no respecter of persons; God does not look on the flesh but on the heart.

BTW the KJV1611 is a book you've never actually read; all you have is one of many revisions. I've been all over that debate and you carry the same elitist attitude the rest of the KJV worshipers have.

I thought I should probably add why I felt the need to post this. A while back I posted one on "spiritual prepper instructions" because preparing one's spirit in these times of doom is the first order of business, because nothing else matters if you "lose your own soul" as Jesus said. So now I thought I should leave some kind of road map or indicators for those who were not prepared as of the Rapture, and might remember these things as they happen. My hope is that they'll see that the Bible is accurate and true, and give their souls to God during the Tribulation. Better late than never, IMHO.

Quoting: Keep2theCode

you may believe in a pretrib rapture but Jesus said it was AFTER!I know a lot of you think you know more but He did say AFTER!as for the seals they are open.All of them.

These are exciting times! My best friend says they are scary. I reply, you can only be killed once and then you get to watch from the heaven lies with God and to Cher him on. Here we see through a glass darkly but there we will see clearly. Exciting to watch happen what God has told us will. God tells us He wins!

After giving you the salvation in its correct form and when the last trump occurs, i later find out that you are a woman and apparently have read many Bible`s numerous times, perhaps you might understand now why paul said he suffers not a woman to teach.how many people have you mixed with your misunderstanding of the word of GOD. By the way only the KJV1611 is the true word of GOD. that`s basic knowledge also to any pupil. take this rebuking and learn from it, don`t go against the word in future

Quoting: understudy 27455981

You are not my teacher, not my authority, and not my God.

You also take Paul's teachings out of context to turn him into the misogynist you are, the opposite of the freeing and woman-affirming Savior I worship. God is no respecter of persons; God does not look on the flesh but on the heart.

BTW the KJV1611 is a book you've never actually read; all you have is one of many revisions. I've been all over that debate and you carry the same elitist attitude the rest of the KJV worshipers have.

God will judge between us.

Quoting: Keep2theCode

The KJV1611 is all authority not me, it has over 56,000 more words than the counterfeits, man shall not live by bread alone but with every word of GOD. And it has corruption added or taken away by the vatican whores. And if i taught you the truth it would confound you, so be pleased that JESUS has got the salvation to you, so you don`t lose anymore soul`s.

These are exciting times! My best friend says they are scary. I reply, you can only be killed once and then you get to watch from the heaven lies with God and to Cher him on. Here we see through a glass darkly but there we will see clearly. Exciting to watch happen what God has told us will. God tells us He wins!

you may believe in a pretrib rapture but Jesus said it was AFTER!I know a lot of you think you know more but He did say AFTER!as for the seals they are open.All of them.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13813766

It seems that you're the one who thinks you know more. Look at the thread title; it's my opinion of what's possible. You should learn to be more humble.

The KJV1611 is all authority not me, it has over 56,000 more words than the counterfeits, man shall not live by bread alone but with every word of GOD. And it has corruption added or taken away by the vatican whores. And if i taught you the truth it would confound you, so be pleased that JESUS has got the salvation to you, so you don`t lose anymore soul`s.

Quoting: understudy 27455981

That book you've never read is ONE translation; you should at least read the Preface that the translators wrote. I've had it with you proud, judgmental KJVOs. You will be held to account for your many slanders. Now leave me alone.

you may believe in a pretrib rapture but Jesus said it was AFTER!I know a lot of you think you know more but He did say AFTER!as for the seals they are open.All of them.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13813766

It seems that you're the one who thinks you know more. Look at the thread title; it's my opinion of what's possible. You should learn to be more humble.

The KJV1611 is all authority not me, it has over 56,000 more words than the counterfeits, man shall not live by bread alone but with every word of GOD. And it has corruption added or taken away by the vatican whores. And if i taught you the truth it would confound you, so be pleased that JESUS has got the salvation to you, so you don`t lose anymore soul`s.

Quoting: understudy 27455981

That book you've never read is ONE translation; you should at least read the Preface that the translators wrote. I've had it with you proud, judgmental KJVOs. You will be held to account for your many slanders. Now leave me alone.

Quoting: Keep2theCode

The KJV1611 was translated by 70 scholars from oxford, west minster and cambridge from 1604 to 1611, it was authorised to be translated because the Geneva BIBLE was not best translated according to king James. only 5 BIBLES have no interference from the vatican, THE bishops bible, the whitchurch bible, the tindale bible, the geneva bible and finally the KJV1611. So the vatican hit back with the corrupt NKJV, hope that helps unless you believe the catholic missal. goodbye sister in CHRIST.

The KJV1611 was translated by 70 scholars from oxford, west minster and cambridge from 1604 to 1611, it was authorised to be translated because the Geneva BIBLE was not best translated according to king James. only 5 BIBLES have no interference from the vatican, THE bishops bible, the whitchurch bible, the tindale bible, the geneva bible and finally the KJV1611. So the vatican hit back with the corrupt NKJV, hope that helps unless you believe the catholic missal. goodbye sister in CHRIST.

The KJV is pretty hacked. They skewed the translation according to their own doctrinal bias.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8788578

Yep. James put his right-hand man in charge, and the overarching goal was to shoehorn "the divine right of kings" into every nook and cranny. They hated Calvin and his Geneva Bible with it's marginal notes ranting against the king. One thing they did was to refuse to translate "baptizo" but only transliterate it "baptize", because it means "to fully immerse, to dip" as when dying cloth. The king was into sprinkling so they hid the real meaning by making up a new word.