No money , no jobs ..what will happen?

Right forgive me i am not really clued up on politics i try to take an intrest but it all confuses me

So it said on the news about cameron stripping benefits for people who have 3 or more children and don't work , also stopping HB for under 25s
then i hear from someone on tv this morning theres 10 people for every 1 job available so its literally impossible for everyone to be in work but they will get there benefits cut still i just don't get how this is fair how does this work ?
Are we going to end up with all the people who can't get a job crazily poor on the streets because they have no money? what will happen to the children in these families will they taken away from there parents or just let to rot with them?

I'm thinking more and more along the lines of victorian times!!!! How stupid!!!! Where are people supposed to live?!!!! My niece went into care... from care she is now in her own flat and relies on these benifits while she goes to school!!! Take her HB and you are making her choose either go to school and live on the streets or leave school and work... then there's no telling if she could get a job or not!!! Her sister is hoping to start college this september and has been looking for work before she starts so she can save up some ready but there are no jobs around! She's getting no where!!!!

I remember when I was 15 I started working.... I carried on till I was 21 when I got pregnant. sometimes I worked 2 different jobs when there seemed to be only part time work around... When I was pregnant everything went wrong and I was very sick and had to give up working cos I was so sick... savings dwindled and then I ended up having to go on benifits... I went into a mobile home park as temp accom and had nothing!!! I was 21... under these proposals they would have left me on the streets! never mind I'd been working all that time! Never mind how much tax they took!!

It sickens me! they are targeting totally the wrong people! And you CAN NOT punish people for not working until there are enough jobs!!!!

It's very frightening isn't it. I do wonder if I'd have thought twice about having my children if I had known what kind of world I was bringing them into.

It's a constant attack on the young, the disadvantaged, the old and the sick. There are people who are trying to work and can't find it, can't afford child care, can't get help for their disabled children because of cuts, can't send their children to a special school because it has been shut, who are having to constantly prove they aren't lying about their disability and worry how they will live if they lose benefits.

Yet the Tories sit in their position of privilege and ignorance and tell us it's for our own good, expect us to take a kicking and then take up the slack for everything that we have lost. To accept our children don't deserve the University education they have dreamed of and those in power were happy to take for themselves, to jump up and go and run our own leisure centres, librarys and citizens advice bureaus with no money to do so because the cuts have forced them to close.

The Archbishop of Canterbury described Cameron's 'Big Society' as "aspirational waffle designed to conceal the deeply damaging withdrawal of the state from its responsibilities to the most vulnerable".

It's very frightening isn't it. I do wonder if I'd have thought twice about having my children if I had known what kind of world I was bringing them into.

It's a constant attack on the young, the disadvantaged, the old and the sick. There are people who are trying to work and can't find it, can't afford child care, can't get help for their disabled children because of cuts, can't send their children to a special school because it has been shut, who are having to constantly prove they aren't lying about their disability and worry how they will live if they lose benefits.

Yet the Tories sit in their position of privilege and ignorance and tell us it's for our own good, expect us to take a kicking and then take up the slack for everything that we have lost. To accept our children don't deserve the University education they have dreamed of and those in power were happy to take for themselves, to jump up and go and run our own leisure centres, librarys and citizens advice bureaus with no money to do so because the cuts have forced them to close.

The Archbishop of Canterbury described Cameron's 'Big Society' as "aspirational waffle designed to conceal the deeply damaging withdrawal of the state from its responsibilities to the most vulnerable".

I never would have thought twice about having my kids.... just think twice about raising them in this country lol!

Big society is a load of ********! "We're all in it together"... erm... no! we're not! obviously!!! I know we have a problem in this country with people that just sit on benifits for years on end, knocking out kids... but they ain't the 16-25 yr olds are they?

It just angers me... in a family... A parent would go hungry to feed their children... but the government just wan't to kick them on the street and sit all comfy in their big houses and loverly lives!

Originally Posted by Paula w(214)

Welcome to the era of Tory rule.

He is expecting charities to pick up the slack.

You all know what to do in 2015 now...do not vote them back in.

But vote for who instead? There just ain't much choice... There's either leadership that will crap on us... but the others just don't inspire me... Ed just seems too weak in my mind... we need a good strong leader... one that is strong enough and confident enough to take control of the country and stand up for our country but not that just craps on the little people! Not that just worries about the upper class, the rich!

And 2015... really? why so bloody long! how come when it comes to my kids the time goes so quick?! but in the world of politics it DRAGS, lol!

What really scares me is the people that will STILL vote Tory. I live in a tory run area and lots of the mums at school voted tory because "they thought we needed a change". Well we're LIVING on our change now. I like to put mine in the machine at Tescos so we can spend it on food. Funny, there never used to be a queue at that machine-there is now.

What really scares me is the people that will STILL vote Tory. I live in a tory run area and lots of the mums at school voted tory because "they thought we needed a change". Well we're LIVING on our change now. I like to put mine in the machine at Tescos so we can spend it on food. Funny, there never used to be a queue at that machine-there is now.

doesn't it take a percentage? the coin machine you mean for pennies? better just pay tescos with pennies!!!

I never would have thought twice about having my kids.... just think twice about raising them in this country lol!

Big society is a load of ********! "We're all in it together"... erm... no! we're not! obviously!!! I know we have a problem in this country with people that just sit on benifits for years on end, knocking out kids... but they ain't the 16-25 yr olds are they?

It just angers me... in a family... A parent would go hungry to feed their children... but the government just wan't to kick them on the street and sit all comfy in their big houses and loverly lives!

But vote for who instead? There just ain't much choice... There's either leadership that will crap on us... but the others just don't inspire me... Ed just seems too weak in my mind... we need a good strong leader... one that is strong enough and confident enough to take control of the country and stand up for our country but not that just craps on the little people! Not that just worries about the upper class, the rich!

And 2015... really? why so bloody long! how come when it comes to my kids the time goes so quick?! but in the world of politics it DRAGS, lol!

I agree Leadership is vividly missing these days, but it is the ethos of the Party I vote for. The mindset and values of the Party. One man does not make the Party as one player does not make the football team. And I know that the Labour party will not demonise the poor, sick and disadvantaged like the Tories do. They will not pass policies that will leave people homeless and destitute like the Tories will. They will not make people having Chemo for cancer forced to work or lose benfits like the Tories will.

As for the 2015 date...again blame the Tories for viscious manipulation of the system.

Charities are picking up the slack - use of food banks because parents can't feed their children has shot up by 70%!

It's dangerous, it's scary, and it means we have serious problems to come.

Personally, whilst I disagree with some of their manifesto, im getting rather more interested in UKIP's stances and willprobably vote for them (this list isn't their stances btw though they do want some of them!)

What we need is;

A livable wage (which COULD be achieved via tax - as many businesses wouldn't be able to function paying out higher wages)

Phased taxes. Everyone earning below, say, 15k would be tax exempt (not NI exempt) and then a phasing of tax as you go up the pay scale - this SHOULD target the issue of being better off on benefits and allow and eventual scrapping of the system except to the most vulnerable in society (like our disabled)

Closing of ALL offshore tax loopholes for UK businesses and citizens.

A retreat from the EU in order to gain back border control and an immediate shut down on immigration.

A look at all immigrants within the UK to ascertain their status, removal of benefits of children "back home" and immediate removal of all illegal or criminal immigrants.

Nuclear power program- there are currently 2 nuclear stations being powered down which will take 25 years and millions of pounds. Renewable energy cannot provide us with enough power and we need to become independent of Eastern oil.

Strict rent and mortgage regulations with local control boards that can investigate non-conforming landlords and impose heavy/strict fines.

Removal of all current foreign aid - for gods sake India can afford it's own space program and we can't - why are we giving them millions in aid? Stricter controls on foreign aid in terms of monetary or personnel in an as situation basis.

Removal of ALL politicians expenses. We pay for our expenses from our wage - about time they did too. Along with tighter controls on their ability to take on other work-this SHOULD be included in the second tax bracket but their is a loophole that gets them out of this.

Transparency on ALL government monies and finances including the taxes paid by all politicians and monies made.

Removal of the £5 billion being put into "workfare" program agencies & private businesses. Create a scheme that allows one man businesses to hire an employee full time for a period of two years. There is more than enough money for this!

Use money saved from removal of workfare to invest in infrastructure and labour related jobs - reboost the British manufacturing and labour workforce with skilled and unskilled positions. The £5 billion yearly fee for workfare agencies & private businesses is enough money to hire every unemployed person in this country full time for the entire year and would also be a huge investment in public works.

Where possible use the "new labour" force to create more social housing.

Remove buy to let on council accommodation. All people within council housing who are not "in need" to be given a set amount of time to find alternative accommodation and the housing to be freed up for those in need.

Charities are picking up the slack - use of food banks because parents can't feed their children has shot up by 70%!

It's dangerous, it's scary, and it means we have serious problems to come.

Personally, whilst I disagree with some of their manifesto, im getting rather more interested in UKIP's stances and willprobably vote for them (this list isn't their stances btw though they do want some of them!)

What we need is;

A livable wage (which COULD be achieved via tax - as many businesses wouldn't be able to function paying out higher wages)

Phased taxes. Everyone earning below, say, 15k would be tax exempt (not NI exempt) and then a phasing of tax as you go up the pay scale - this SHOULD target the issue of being better off on benefits and allow and eventual scrapping of the system except to the most vulnerable in society (like our disabled)

Closing of ALL offshore tax loopholes for UK businesses and citizens.

A retreat from the EU in order to gain back border control and an immediate shut down on immigration.

A look at all immigrants within the UK to ascertain their status, removal of benefits of children "back home" and immediate removal of all illegal or criminal immigrants.

Nuclear power program- there are currently 2 nuclear stations being powered down which will take 25 years and millions of pounds. Renewable energy cannot provide us with enough power and we need to become independent of Eastern oil.

Strict rent and mortgage regulations with local control boards that can investigate non-conforming landlords and impose heavy/strict fines.

Removal of all current foreign aid - for gods sake India can afford it's own space program and we can't - why are we giving them millions in aid? Stricter controls on foreign aid in terms of monetary or personnel in an as situation basis.

Removal of ALL politicians expenses. We pay for our expenses from our wage - about time they did too. Along with tighter controls on their ability to take on other work-this SHOULD be included in the second tax bracket but their is a loophole that gets them out of this.

Transparency on ALL government monies and finances including the taxes paid by all politicians and monies made.

Removal of the £5 billion being put into "workfare" program agencies & private businesses. Create a scheme that allows one man businesses to hire an employee full time for a period of two years. There is more than enough money for this!

Use money saved from removal of workfare to invest in infrastructure and labour related jobs - reboost the British manufacturing and labour workforce with skilled and unskilled positions. The £5 billion yearly fee for workfare agencies & private businesses is enough money to hire every unemployed person in this country full time for the entire year and would also be a huge investment in public works.

Where possible use the "new labour" force to create more social housing.

Remove buy to let on council accommodation. All people within council husing who are not "in need" to be given a set amount of time to find alternative accommodation and the housing to be freed up for those in need.

Free up green belt land for development of further social housing.

All I can think of off the top of my head! LOLS

Wow you have given some thought to this. I agree with most of what you said but council housing is where my opinion disagrees with yours. I think that maybe tthey should not be allowed to buy a council house this was always a stupid idea as how would they replace there stock? But just because a person who lives in a council house is no longet at risk does not mean that they should have a specific amount of time in that house. Where would they go if they didnt earn any monetnwmbn;y?

As for the under 25s i am sure they would have rules where this wouldnt apply for example if you had children if you were in supported housing if you were disabled if you couldnt live at home due to personel reasons. I think this is maibly aimed at ypung people who left home claiming benefits for no reason. For example who are claiming jsa and live in a flat. I cant see how paying for them to look for work and stay in a house is productive for them or how it helps society. I can see his point here it would be cost effective to keep these people at home with parents until they can provide for themselves.

Wow you have given some thought to this. I agree with most of what you said but council housing is where my opinion disagrees with yours. I think that maybe tthey should not be allowed to buy a council house this was always a stupid idea as how would they replace there stock? But just because a person who lives in a council house is no longet at risk does not mean that they should have a specific amount of time in that house. Where would they go if they didnt earn any monetnwmbn;y?

As for the under 25s i am sure they would have rules where this wouldnt apply for example if you had children if you were in supported housing if you were disabled if you couldnt live at home due to personel reasons. I think this is maibly aimed at ypung people who left home claiming benefits for no reason. For example who are claiming jsa and live in a flat. I cant see how paying for them to look for work and stay in a house is productive for them or how it helps society. I can see his point here it would be cost effective to keep these people at home with parents until they can provide for themselves.

From his comments his ONLY exception will be in the case of DV. Which disregards families who have fallen on hard times. Age relating this means that unless it included all under 25's paying no tax (why should they pay tax then if they fall on hard times not get what those who have paid tax and are over 25 get?) because otherwise you will have all working under 25's funding those older than themselves who are out of work, without ever having the safety net themselves. It's morally wrong and fiscally unnecessary. They believe that under 25's don't work or contribute little then take away those contributions entirely and see if it makes a difference - then make long term decisions.

I haven't given it too much thought lols - I have been brought up in a political debating household my whole life and I'm part of many protest/movement groups so have defined ideas really. Things like nuclear power I have always believed were a good idea - France has been using it for years and is actually bringing in a nuclear fission station within the next 5 years (MUCH more power than your regular old nuclear power station)

I dislike the council housing issues as not only can people buy theirs but they can pass it on to their children - which I strongly disagree with. By doing so you keep a social home within one family for 2 generations when it should go to people who are more in need.

Katelyn-sorry don't want to requote all your post!
However i have to say I absolutely disagree with the 'freeing up of greenbelt land for social housing".

I live in the south east which is the most overpopulated area of the UK. This is a huge problem in our area. I grew up ten miles down the road on a Council Estate which has been sold off. Lovely old houses have been levelled as have historic pubs to be replaced with flats. We have very little green belt land left here and it is under constant threat from housing. Our roads are over congested, doctors surgerys and schools are at full capacity. We need our green belt. If the bloody Tories hadn't sold off the housing estates down the road there would be no need for new ones.
I do agree with many of your other points; expenses etc. Are you in local government?

Does this affect single parents who have 3 or more kids and dont work or is it couples as well? For example my DH works full time and we get WTC and CTC and a little bit of housing/council tax benefit and we have 3 kids. I would love to go back to work but we cannot afford the childcare it costs more than we make so how can they expect these ppl to get back to work or are they going to give free childcare?

Katelyn-sorry don't want to requote all your post!
However i have to say I absolutely disagree with the 'freeing up of greenbelt land for social housing".

I live in the south east which is the most overpopulated area of the UK. This is a huge problem in our area. I grew up ten miles down the road on a Council Estate which has been sold off. Lovely old houses have been levelled as have historic pubs to be replaced with flats. We have very little green belt land left here and it is under constant threat from housing. Our roads are over congested, doctors surgerys and schools are at full capacity. We need our green belt. If the bloody Tories hadn't sold off the housing estates down the road there would be no need for new ones.
I do agree with many of your other points; expenses etc. Are you in local government?

Not in government at all lols! It was recommended that I go into politics in my slightly younger years though :P(im only 22 mind!) Unfortunately one of the huge issues with green belt land is it's just that, land, and with an ever increasing population we need more housing. I have to admit I DO agree with one of Cam's ideas and that is to cap child benefit - at two. I dislike the extremes China goes to but there is a reason they don't allow more than two children per family so taking ALL financial incentive away for more than two would (hopefully) reduce family sizes unless that family was willing to fund more themselves. Which would (hopefully) help with the population issues too.

Not in government at all lols! It was recommended that I go into politics in my slightly younger years though :P(im only 22 mind!) Unfortunately one of the huge issues with green belt land is it's just that, land, and with an ever increasing population we need more housing. I have to admit I DO agree with one of Cam's ideas and that is to cap child benefit - at two. I dislike the extremes China goes to but there is a reason they don't allow more than two children per family so taking ALL financial incentive away for more than two would (hopefully) reduce family sizes unless that family was willing to fund more themselves. Which would (hopefully) help with the population issues too.

Younger years!! You are exactly half my age I think it possibly depends on which land you are looking at for housing and where. We are getting hammered with housing applications in the south east. Our green belt consists of tiny areas of woodland-some of which is historical-and is the lungs of the area. We are in danger of becoming another area of urban sprawl with no difference between us and London. Maybe they should take these things into account. Our Tory councillors are notorious for being 'in' with property developers-very shady dealings.

A cap on child benefit seems fair enough- I think most people don't have children on the basis of how much child benefit you get anyway.