Rick Crammond (RC)
Okay! Welcome everyone to the
12th Kids Knowledge Seekers Workshop,
brought to you by the
Keshe Foundation Spaceship Institute.
And... today, we will speaking with
Mr Keshe of the Spaceship Institute,
at the new location in Bari...
"Bari" I have been told, Italy.
And...
We'll be having, probably,
a shorter program today
And...
Things have been a little pushed on
for our schedule
and so, to get right in, maybe we'll
hear from Keyvan Davani (KD) now
and see what he has to say, what he's...
his comments on today's kids workshop.
Keyvan, are you there?
(KD) Hi Rick.
Hello to Mr Keshe and
all the Knowledge Seekers.
... Let me just summarize what I learnt,
or what I learnt personally from last time
You... You made the drawings in a really
beautiful way and showed us how to create
environmental conditions, the magnetical
gravitational field strengths to attract...
the CO2 and, make, produce the CO2 GaNS.
in a salt water solution with the
zinc plate and nano-coated copper plate.
Now... you know we've all been taught in
physics, whatever, school physics,
and I hope, I do hope, you know,
that in the future, the very near future
that, more and more young students,
teenagers, kids,
do listen to these workshops,
or they do get taught at school
...the things that, you know, we've been
hearing and understanding up to now.
So, what I wanna to go into detail now,
what I would like to ask you
to explain to us,
or maybe, with an additional drawing.
Well I told Rick, you know I'm...
we are trying get ...
to set up, some kind of
non-copyrighted material.
I think it should be granted..
taken for granted, to use any material
if it's for educational purposes
But, for the sake of it (?Ed Shuman?), one
of the really brilliant animation makers,
he sent me a drawing, I sent it to Rick.
So, maybe he can post it or upload it?
To make, especially kids or young adults,
or even young students,
understand... this ...
nano-layering and,
where the magnetical gravitational field
strengths, the Plasma energies actually,
well, if I can say that,
are preserved within...
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Within the gaps of the atomic structures
of those nano-layers, within the GaNS.
Could you correct me on that, or add
to that? Thank you very much.
(MK) Can you explain more in a very
simple way that I can understand,
how you want me to explain it?
(KD) Okay, I...
(MK) In your question,
in a very simple way.
(KD) Sure! I myself, and I want
other kids to understand or to imagine;
What these nano-layerings look like?
And... why... why is this such
a compressed energy
within the... within the GaNS?
And what... and how is the fields,
these magnetic gravitational fields,
you always talk about...
Where are those... embedded or,
where are they in... within those layers?
How can I imagine that or, how can kids
imagine that?
(MK) Don't imagine!
I think it is better not to imagine,
but it's better to understand.
(RC) You can see Ed's picture here.
(MK) No, I don't see it, but I...
(RC) Okay,
you won't be able to see it, okay.
(MK) I cannot see, anybody...
(RC) Let me describe it briefly,
I'm not sure if it fits in with
what you are going to say.
It just shows a single GaNS
and then it shows it as multiple GaNS
and then they all conglomerate together.
And, more, more of these GaNS together,
to form the nano-layer, basically,
in sort of a "Flower of Life" pattern.
That's basically how I can explain it,
but, go ahead with what you
are going to explain Mr Keshe.
(MK) The simplest explanation for
children to understand, I think is
them...
going back to how...,
what they can experience physically.
And, I think what
children can experience, then
they can then translate into simpler
language, of understanding
In a way, it's like when
you stand in a school yard,
in line, next to each other,
and the teacher tells
you to open your arms.
And you can... You have to stand
next to your friend,
arm's length, that the tip
of your fingers touch.
That, that's your space.
That space, from finger to finger,
that's your Plasma.
But, you have the same number of
friends in front of you,
and you have the same number of
friends behind you.
And, they are standing
in the same way that,
if you rotate next to the friend
in front of you and the one behind you,
now you have the same gap between
the tip of the fingers.
This circle of your arms is your space,
this is your Plasma.
And the friends who are standing next
to you in line,
that line of friends
and the gap between your body
and their body, arm's length,
you are one nano layer.
Nano means singularity.
And why we use the name "Nano",
to term "Nano".
It means 10 to the minus 9
That's where the terminology
nano-layer comes from.
Because,
we say one atomic hydrogen,
you need ten with
nine zeros in front of it,
to be able to put together,
to make one meter.
That's a million x million x million
people at arms length, next to each other.
This is... That's when
you put that many people
and you can make it to 1 meter,
then that's 1 nano.
One single... You are 1 nano,
out of that ten million next to each other
10 to the power of 9, with nine zeros.
So, you are with your friends, who are
arm to arm with you, one line.
This is one nano, one single line.
Then you have your friends in front of you
with the same, span of arm.
They are one layer themselves,
because they are in one line.
That's why we call it a layer.
Layer means one line, one sheet,
in one uniformity in the spread.
So, you have friends in front of you
with their arms open.
You have friends behind you with their
arms open, distance from each other
but in parallel, line to line.
So, now each one of you is one layer.
But don't forget that you have a friend
in front of you which is arm tip,
and with your, tip of your fingers,
is again in an equal distance.
So now, the gap between your friend on
right or left, or the front, or the back
is exactly the same.
So, in these gaps between you,
anybody can run,
because it's a huge gap.
When your arm is not
in line with your friends,
with a gap between the layers,
in parallel.
So, anybody can run between you,
because, there is no resistances.
This is what we call "Superconductivity"
No resistance flow.
So, the guy who runs amongst you,
runs without any resistance.
If you turn and put your arms
in respect, fingertips with
the guy in front of you
and the one who is behind you
and you get the same guy running.
He has to hit every single arm,
to be able to go through.
This is a matter-state.
When you have your arms open
and the guy can run all
the way through without resistance,
this is what we call "Superconductivity".
and that gap between you and your
friend in front which is no arms, but
it is a fixed gap,
this is where the energy sits.
Then, you have to realize that if you
start getting closer, bending your arms.
Bending your arms in, 'till the arms come
next to each other,
and you come next to your friend,
shoulder to shoulder.
Then the same energy which you have,
but now there is no gap
and then if the friends from the back
and the front come and join you,
in a way, come in line.
You still keep your lines,
but now you have no say in the movement.
The movement is totality, every single
one of you which is pushing
is spreading the energy all the way
along the lines in both directions,
from the back and the side.
This is the easiest way
to explain nano-layers,
and the behavior of nano-layers.
You close the gap, the energy gets
concentrated, you become the matter.
You open the gap,
you have the freedom to run,
freedom to move in any direction
then this is what we call "nano-layers",
the property of nano-materials.
Where does the energy come from?
When you had your arms open and then
you put on your side, the gap is there.
You don't feel the energy of your friend,
who's standing his arm length
away from your arm length.
But, as you bring them together,
as your friends come together,
you feel all the energies
from everywhere coming in.
Nobody has changed. None of you is
pushing, but you're closing the gap,
and now you feel each other's warmth
and the energy,
and it's very much like when you go to
concerts.
When you go to concerts,
there's rows and rows of people,
and they are all standing there,
but they start pushing.
At the beginning there's nothing,
but when the push comes closer and closer,
you start moving forwards.
This is the property of matter,
when, your arm was the
size of your Plasma,
When you reduce the size of the Plasma,
you have to accept the fields of others -
the energy of the others,
because now they dictate as part of you,
as you dictate
their position, their energy.
Where does the energy come from,
that you suddenly start feeling it?
All these energies are
inside you, inside them.
They don't tank and come closer,
they don't drink energy and come closer.
It's the same as a Plasma,
the energy of the Plasma is inside it.
It depends on how you position it
in respect to the others,
is how you feel their forces,
and how you allow other things
to go through you and amongst you.
So, you see yourself as a Plasma.
If you put the dots
on top of each one of you.
If you go from the top, you just put
where the head is, one dot.
And then the arm gap distance
between the two,
another dot on top of the head of
your friend on the left or right.
Those dots are the center of the Plasma
and the gap between them -
between your friend's head
and the top of your head,
and the top of you and other friend
in the front of the back.
This becomes the positioning,
the amount that you have the freedom
to move, without touching them,
without them blocking you.
(RC) Showing a... picture, by any chance?
(RC) Okay, just...
(MK) No
(RC) ...
(MK) ...
(RC) I'm sticking in there.
(MK) Maybe, maybe, maybe it's
a good idea.
I am getting old and forgetful.
But...
Because we don't have
our pens with us.
We forgot to bring the pens
from where we came.
Can you see the picture?
You see distance...
I tried to make a circle...
Yeah?
So....
It's coming up...
(RC) It is coming through
there now I think?
Anytime, there we go.
(MK) Okay, so let's do it with drawings,
I think it will be easier.
What you have...
We're still, yes, okay.
We say this is the...
I want to go on Skype
because then I see it live.
and I think there's a delay,
on the Livestream.
So, this is you with your arm open
from two friends.
This is your friends
standing there on either left and right
and the same, another friend
with their arm's length.
You have the same arms length,
from the friend in front and back of you.
The same, there is another friend here,
which is doing the same.
You are... If you rotate
this way, you have a gap.
If you look at that way,
this is the gap,
between you and your friends.
These, are your arm lengths.
This is another friend arms length,
two arm's length.
So, what happens?
These are the tips of your fingers
So, this is your arm length
and here,
this is your arm length
from your friend's.
So, you have this position.
The friends in front of here are
at arms length from each other
The friends in the back are at
arms length from each other.
So, you are in a row, this is the row
and there is another row of your friends
there, another row there.
So, now, we call this row one layer
In terminology, in the electronic
or material, we call it a "layer"
So, it's layers of you.
Layer 1
Layer 2
Layer 3
But, when the distance
between your friends and you,
is 10 to the minus 9, or
you put 1 with zero, zero, zero 9 of it.
In the background,
two, four, six, eight, nine.
Then this is the size
of one atomic hydrogen,
and the gap is one nano.
So now, with your friends,
if you could be that small
you become a nano-layer.
But, if you put the same thing
at the top of your heads,
now, we don't need to put the lines,
we put you next to each other
[Sound of mobile phone ringing]
Just one second,
I have to respond to this, please.
(sound is muted)
So now what happens is
all your friends are next to each other
So, now you make one nano-layer,
and the gap between you is the same.
Now your arms are not sticking out.
So, any friends can run in-between you,
in any direction,
there is no resistance.
This is the state of Plasma.
So, now this is the top of your heads
and no gap, no... no matter to stop the flow.
This is how, now, your head
becomes a Plasma,
the center of a Plasma,
where the energy is.
You carry energy,
your friend carries energy, and
so, now you have become a Plasma
in the environment of your friends.
Because, these are your energies,
and the gaps between them.
Now, if you bring your friends closer,
as we explained...
It's the same Plasma, your friend
hasn't eaten any more food,
or nobody's pushing it.
But, as you close a gap you transfer,
till the point where you two touch.
Now, you have every... [inaudible]
[audio breaks up]
(RC) Oops, we just lost your audio there
Mr Keshe.
Okay, we're just restarting on some of
the... on the Skype here,
see if we can get the Keshe
Spaceship Institute back on line?
This is where we need to get
Keyvan playing his guitar and singing
a little song as an interlude
(KD) I cannot play any instruments,
I'm sorry
(RC) Well it's a great time
to learn then!
Put you on the spot and that's the way,
it's the instant learning technique
[Vince (V)] I got my son a ukulele
I can probably go
string a couple of chords that way.
(RC) There you go! That would be perfect
for the child's workshop, let him rip!
Give him a slide guitar and let him rip.
(Skype sound)
Okay, there it goes
(V) Skype is at...
The Spaceship Institute
was just on their phone.
When they got the call they got
knocked off Skype. So, they should be...
(RC) Right, I will try to re-invite them
back in here.
(MK) Hello, we are back
(RC) Hello, welcome back
(MK) How did you kick us out?
(RC) I think it was your call maybe
that came through and interrupted somehow.
I'm not sure about that.
(MK) Okay, so we are back in.
At least we are still alive
and we are here.
(RC) You're alive and so on, yeah
Do you want to do the video again or
how are we there?
(MK) Yes, we're back on the video.
So, what has happened is at...
the Pasmas become closer.
So, instead of being in a row with
the gaps, now there are no gaps
So, this is a state of matter
and this was the state of a Plasma.
But, when it's in line it becomes a nano
and we call this one layer.
This is called one layer,
and this is called: "nano-layers".
So, we have an equal gap distance with
the same amount of energy
which, these energies is dictated by the
lengths of your arms to be yours.
That's your space.
We call it one Plasma.
But, they carry the same energy as when
you are jam packed to each other.
And, this is how the Plasma
in it's, what we call,
"plasmatic nano condition", behaves
Atoms with a gap.
And when there are equal gaps
then... and the gap is, for example,
10 to the minus 9 meters,
we call it a "nano-layer".
Which, stands in its own layer,
at that distance from each other,
but the energy inside it is the same.
Your energy, when you are at an arm's gap
between the friend, has not changed
than when you are next to each other.
You have less room to move and any move
you do, affects their position too,
because now you are shoulder to shoulder.
But when you are at an arm's gap
and you put your arms down,
you can move, you can swing,
you don't touch anybody.
and if anybody's running amongst you
and you want to just let them go faster,
you move a little bit to the left or
the right, there is no friction.
and this is what we call, freedom of the
magnetic field in the Plasma condition.
But, the other point is...
Now, in nano-layering...
you stack up, instead of being in front
or back of each other, as well.
So, you have people next to you,
in front of you,
behind you, above you and below you.
And now, layers stand,
floating on top of each other
with the same amount of gap as, you had
with your friends in front of the back.
Now, if you can go sideways, they can
put you vertically and open your arms,
you have a friend who is an arm's
distance, from the top and from below.
It's very much, if you were to understand
the behavior of nano-materials.
If you know the game called "Knack".
They have pieces and you have balls.
I try....
We showed this before, a few months
ago when we were in Cesano.
I tried to bring those back and make you
a nano layer,
that you can see exactly what it is
physically, as a toy.
I hope it was a good explanation,
if not we will try again another way.
(KD) No, thank you Mr Keshe
for enlightening me ....
Depending, on what I would want from...
If I reduce...
If I wanted to reduce the gaps...
(MK) Yeah!
You gotta find a push somewhere
(KD) I will need...?
(MK) You've got to find somebody
to push your friends closer,
or you have to push
yourself closer to your friends.
But understand...
(KD) So it needs conditions...
So I need the necessary environmental
conditions for that too?
(MK) Yeah, which means you need a guy who
can push the other ones, on the other end.
It is very much, if you have ever
played tug rope game in school.
Where, everybody is distanced
about a meter,
and there are two sides
pulling the same rope
to see who crosses the line, which side.
The gap is the same guy next to you,
and whatever the other one does,
the layer moves.
Each one of you, holding the rope at
a meter or half a meter's distance,
is one nano, spaced from each other,
and then your motion, it depends on,
what the whole lot does.
The only difference is,
the motion of you, is your
bending of the knees and your legs.
Now, the gap from the Earth,
from the next guy down,
is your legs which,
the next guy down is the air.
(RC) I think that's a great analogy
and we should be able to generate
an animation using little animated kids
lining up, and in layers and so on and...
Or maybe we could show ants
or something like that doing it?
I'm sure there's ways that our animators
can work with that
now that we have a visualization that
you presented, it's good.
(MK) It's very much...
is the way it works,
and the same as in the Space reactors
you're building.
If you produce or reduce the gap
between your GaNS's, the Plasmas,
it creates how much energy you're
gonna get out,
and how much you're
gonna release to the outside,
that they concentrate
to create lift or energy.
The adults
haven't understood this yet
when they understand it then we will
have a very nice time.
(RC) Would it also tie in... I'm thinking
of outstretched arms
and in terms of... ice skaters, the...
or a ballerina doing a spinning thing
When the arms are outstretched
they're at a certain speed,
they pull their arms in
and they rotate faster. Is that similar?
(MK) Yeah, very much so.
But at the moment
we can explain this to children,
they cannot rotate
and have their arms open.
Then you have a problem. They're gonna
do it to show the nano-materials,
and then you're in problem in your school.
They say "Where have you learned it?",
"Keshe Foundation".
And then we have a problem.
But (laughing)
(RC) Yeah, right
(MK) So, this is what they are
going to do.
But they understand the gap
between them, that is where it is.
I think we have to find
a way to make physics fun.
And the Plasma Technology is the reality.
If you can make it fun, they grasp it.
Because, I know children teach
their teachers what is wrong
and you find out that
a lot of teachers fight it
because then, it means they have to
learn a new thing.
(RC) Okay, along those lines, I was
thinking a couple of days ago,
that'd be great if we had a line or
product line of Keshe toys.
Or you know...
Toys that illustrate or teach the...,
the principles behind
the MaGrav teaching and so on.
We should be able to work on that.
I'm sure there are people out there
that can design things like that,
and we can have them printed up with
3D printing or many different methods
and... have them available for people as a
product that could be fun to play with.
(MK) Slowly slowly, catchee monkey,
today we open the University.
(RC) Yes! That's...
That's enough of a challenge for today
(MK) Pardon?
(RC) That's enough
of a challenge for today
(MK) Next time we try to find...
or open a toy factory
(KD) Spin-off!
(RC) Well, actually...
I'm sure there will be many spin-offs,
once this University gets
a little more solidified.
... I mean, it's a natural thing.
(MK) We need the students, today we had
too many, what do you call it,
many... fresh students for the first time,
sat behind the desk,
after years like this.
You know,
one of the beautiful things is,
when you look at the Institute,
the way the seats are set,
all these people who come, scientists
who come, and they've been the...
most of them, and a lot of them leaders in
their own fields, in their worlds of...
disciplines of education.
Now they come and sit behind a desk, like
children do, to learn from the beginning
It's very interesting.
Today was the first lesson
(laughter)
We had only one student
and it was Marko.
Any other questions or,
shall we close it for today?
(KD) No, thank you Mr Keshe,
for me is done.
(RC) Yeah, I think we have enough to
go on for the next... to work with here.
(MK) I know Keyvan wants to be a student,
to sit behind a desk in the first slot.
Send your application form,
we'll try find you a seat.
(KD) Cool, thank you,
I will do that for sure
(MK) Thank you very much
Thank you. Bye bye.
(RC) Thank you Mr Keshe.
(MK) Bye bye.
(RC) Alright...
Well, that seems to wrap up the
12th Kids Knowledge Seekers Workshop
Thank you everybody for attending!