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i dont think it would be right to ban smoking during events. i assume we are talking cigarettes/cigars here since the "other" smoking is already banned. i only very rarely indulge on a cigar, so i am not a smoker whinning. people should have the right to smoke if they want to. all this "no smoking in this or that place" really rubs me the wrong way. for petes sake it is out in the open, not like indoors where i can see that second hand smoke would be a issue.

i would rather see a ban of peeing in the woods at courses than banning smoking. the whole peeing whenever you can on a course is just rediculous.

I agree. Smoke all you want, but for god sakes keep your horse in the barn. On that same note it would help if public parks ,with disc golf courses, would leave their bathrooms open in the "off" season. Just as a courtesy to those of us that play in those parks year around.

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I would love to see smoking banned from tournament play or all play. Outside or inside if you can smell it, it's entering your body. I used to have chronic sinusitis (cured it with a neti pot), one car ride with a cigarette smoker used to get me terribly sick. It's better now, but I still don't want anyone else deciding what to put in my body for me especially when half the point of me being outside is to get some fresh air.

I really love seeing cigarette buds on the ground too, especially in a nice nature setting...

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Do Leslie's other personal habits affect everyone within a 100' radius?

They might, I don't know what her personal habits are.

By choosing to go somewhere with prior knowledge that cigarettes will be smoked by peers, and then whining about it afterward, it becomes apparent that metacognition may not be Leslie's strong suit. Therefore, I stuck my nose in (probably unnecessarily) and offered a new view to consider.

Dan, separate cigarette smoke from littering. That is a whole different can of worms. You're right, though, butts on the ground make my blood boil- just no more so than any other piece of trash I see on the ground.

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comparing cigarettes to other habits is a nonargument. cigarette smoke will kill you... picking your nose probably will not... to argue anything else is ignorant. i recently heard a piece on npr about banning smoking even more than it already is due to studies on second hand smoke and it's lack of dissipating even in the great outdoors... the carcinogens and the nasties don't just disappear into some kind of magical carcinogen and tar-fairy land... even if you can no longer smell the smoke the poisons are there...

... now, this does not mean that i do not totally sympathize with smokers... i battle every day with my absolute infatuation with cigarettes. it is incredibly hard to not smoke once you've been doing it for a while and i fully believe that nonsmokers will never be able to wrap their heads around what a total bitch it is, but i still think it is unacceptable to smoke... and sometimes i do it anyway...

... main point is, comparing cigarettes to clipping your toenails and leaving them around the house in little piles or wiping your boogies on the bathroom wall is silly... that kinda deplorable behaviour will not kill the innocent bystander...

"'There are two mantras.,' Bernard said, 'Yum and yuk. Mine is yum.'"
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I'm giving up licking bathroom walls right now! It will have to be easier than the ten times I quit smoking.

Moderation in all things (except cigarettes). I could never moderate those damned things. They must put something in there that does that. Good cigars don't do that. Anyway, my payoff for all those years of two packs is the smoke now hurts and makes me cough, even when it's in micro-amounts. I hope that gives the cigarette smokers something to look forward to. Better to kick now than later.

So yes, I do know what it's like to be hooked. And I believe the junkies who say that cigarettes are harder to quit than skag.

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What are the real solutions to this problem?
Who's responsibility is it to make sure you are not exposed to second hand smoke (on the golf course or elsewhere)?

Maybe we need to change the Oregon labor laws?
Should we consider modifying the privacy laws too?
More education on the dangers of smoking?
Might we extend the smoking ban beyond just restaurants, taverns, and bars?
How about starting or seeking existing petitions to prevent the sale of tobacco or shutting down tobacco companies?

I saw a story on CNBC recently of a business owner who prohibited his employees from smoking. He legally deployed random analysis for the presence of nicotine and fired offenders. This could work in some states?

Immediate options:
1) Do not enter (or remove yourself from) an environment with second-hand smoke.
2) Ask the offender to stop smoking because it is dangerous to your health.

WRT the disc golf environment, I think option two "should" be pretty effective in general.

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Those would be awesome to have on courses. Too many courses lack restrooms which leaves us "gotta go" folks few options.

pretty much still leaves the ladies up the pee creek without a... ummm... not really sure where i'm going with this...

... but... i still find the lack of surplus & clean potty options for the women folk entirely unacceptable... it's time to start a revolution... i demand clean toilet seats and fresh, breathable air!!!

power to the pee-ple...

"'There are two mantras.,' Bernard said, 'Yum and yuk. Mine is yum.'"
Tom Robbins, Still Life With Woodpecker

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My standard comment here is...once the powers that be convince all of us smaokers to drop the habit, what will they tax next? You realize we smokers voluntarily pay very high taxes, and after we all buy into how bad it is and quit, where is all that tax revenue going to come from. You'll have to pick a product that is used predominately by middle to lower incomes, and something that is used frequently enough that daily or weekly purchases are made. So that pretty much narrows it down to higher taxes on baby formula, diapers, soda, alcohol (slippery slope here, as I don't mind being around smoke as much as a person who is drunk...I don't). And my stock answer to those who claim that being around second hand smoke is worse than being the smoker...well, looks like I made the right choice there. It never works well when you try to legislate morality or vice...hello prohibition. I'll be a curtious smoker, you be a curtious non-smoker.

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Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded.

That said, the formulation of popular brand cigarettes is a crime against the human species for profit. It is probably as much an abuse of the plant as it is of the smoker. If cigarettes were only tobacco, we might not be having this discussion.

The Corporate Empire is NOT a Constitutional Republic...
...but it plays one on TV.