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The Odddfellows Arms at Carlton, near Selby

AN historic North Yorkshire pub with an unusual name is under threat of demolition again after planners said seven new houses should be built on the site.

Selby District Council’s planning committee blocked plans by Punch Taverns to knock down the Odddfellows Arms in Carlton last summer and replace it with eight homes, despite the authority’s officials saying the proposals should be approved.

Councillors said the development did not have enough parking and this could lead to road safety problems, but fresh plans – which have also been recommended for approval – were later drawn up by the pub’s owners and a decision will be made when the planning committee meets tomorrow.

The 18th century pub made the news in the 1980s when an extra “D” was accidentally painted onto the sign, with the mistake not being rectified when locals said they wanted the misspelling to remain.

Punch Taverns has said the business is no longer financially viable but 17 residents have objected, saying the Odddfellows Arms has been the “centrepiece” of the village for centuries, was an important local service and could still be given “a new lease of life”.

Opponents of the housing scheme also said the appearance of the houses would harm Carlton’s appearance, the site is too small for the proposed homes and the revised plans still did not have enough parking.

In a report, planning officer Claire Richards said the new scheme had one less house and five more parking spaces than before, saying: “The proposal would not adversely affect the character of the area.”

The same meeting will debate a second attempt to build three houses on part of the car park at the back of the Unicorn Inn in Bondgate, Selby, after councillors turned down a similar application in October 2012 because of flood concerns.

The renewed application, which has drawn 58 objections, has also been recommended for refusal by planners who said the site is in a “flood zone” and there were other, preferable sites where the homes could be built.

Comments

Two problems here....Number 1 Punch taverns are insolvent and nobody wants to work for them and Number 2 is that most people drink at home and don't support the pubs...

Two problems here....Number 1 Punch taverns are insolvent and nobody wants to work for them and Number 2 is that most people drink at home and don't support the pubs...smudge2

Two problems here....Number 1 Punch taverns are insolvent and nobody wants to work for them and Number 2 is that most people drink at home and don't support the pubs...

Score: 12

Mullarkian
10:15am Tue 11 Mar 14

A village without a pub is not worth living in. They don't just sell drink, most of them add a lot to the local community.The reason drinks prices are so high in these 'tied' pubs is because the landlord cannot buy drinks from just anywhere , he has to buy from who the owning company says.
But holding companies such as Punch Taverns cannot see this, all they are out for is to sell off the sites for housing.

A village without a pub is not worth living in. They don't just sell drink, most of them add a lot to the local community.The reason drinks prices are so high in these 'tied' pubs is because the landlord cannot buy drinks from just anywhere , he has to buy from who the owning company says.
But holding companies such as Punch Taverns cannot see this, all they are out for is to sell off the sites for housing.Mullarkian

A village without a pub is not worth living in. They don't just sell drink, most of them add a lot to the local community.The reason drinks prices are so high in these 'tied' pubs is because the landlord cannot buy drinks from just anywhere , he has to buy from who the owning company says.
But holding companies such as Punch Taverns cannot see this, all they are out for is to sell off the sites for housing.

Score: 13

old_selebian
10:51am Tue 11 Mar 14

The fact that only 17 residents have objected tells you all you need to know. I bet those 17 we're not regulars either. It's simple, use it or lose it.

The fact that only 17 residents have objected tells you all you need to know. I bet those 17 we're not regulars either. It's simple, use it or lose it.old_selebian

The fact that only 17 residents have objected tells you all you need to know. I bet those 17 we're not regulars either. It's simple, use it or lose it.

Score: 10

Brighouse Lad
12:50pm Tue 11 Mar 14

Ive not been in the Odddfellows for years, but then again I did move away from the area 12 years ago. It is a nice pub, I remember when the wheat sheaf closed just up the road, that got turned into a shop.

There is one pub left in the village, but with VAT and beer duty people are just staying at home. A shame really.

Ive not been in the Odddfellows for years, but then again I did move away from the area 12 years ago. It is a nice pub, I remember when the wheat sheaf closed just up the road, that got turned into a shop.
There is one pub left in the village, but with VAT and beer duty people are just staying at home. A shame really.Brighouse Lad

Ive not been in the Odddfellows for years, but then again I did move away from the area 12 years ago. It is a nice pub, I remember when the wheat sheaf closed just up the road, that got turned into a shop.

There is one pub left in the village, but with VAT and beer duty people are just staying at home. A shame really.

Score: 8

ouseswimmer
7:50pm Tue 11 Mar 14

This pub is wrongly named. There are two fellows going in. That's an even number.

This pub is wrongly named. There are two fellows going in. That's an even number.ouseswimmer

This pub is wrongly named. There are two fellows going in. That's an even number.

Score: 0

expubcrawler
1:45am Wed 12 Mar 14

Mullarkian wrote…

A village without a pub is not worth living in. They don't just sell drink, most of them add a lot to the local community.The reason drinks prices are so high in these 'tied' pubs is because the landlord cannot buy drinks from just anywhere , he has to buy from who the owning company says.
But holding companies such as Punch Taverns cannot see this, all they are out for is to sell off the sites for housing.

In my day most pubs were "tied" pubs. Owned by Camerons, John Smith, Sam Smith etc. etc. But they still did incredible business with affordable drinks.
Punch Taverns and the like should study York's pub history then maybe - just maybe - they will get more customers.

[quote][p][bold]Mullarkian[/bold] wrote:
A village without a pub is not worth living in. They don't just sell drink, most of them add a lot to the local community.The reason drinks prices are so high in these 'tied' pubs is because the landlord cannot buy drinks from just anywhere , he has to buy from who the owning company says.
But holding companies such as Punch Taverns cannot see this, all they are out for is to sell off the sites for housing.[/p][/quote]In my day most pubs were "tied" pubs. Owned by Camerons, John Smith, Sam Smith etc. etc. But they still did incredible business with affordable drinks.
Punch Taverns and the like should study York's pub history then maybe - just maybe - they will get more customers.expubcrawler

Mullarkian wrote…

A village without a pub is not worth living in. They don't just sell drink, most of them add a lot to the local community.The reason drinks prices are so high in these 'tied' pubs is because the landlord cannot buy drinks from just anywhere , he has to buy from who the owning company says.
But holding companies such as Punch Taverns cannot see this, all they are out for is to sell off the sites for housing.

In my day most pubs were "tied" pubs. Owned by Camerons, John Smith, Sam Smith etc. etc. But they still did incredible business with affordable drinks.
Punch Taverns and the like should study York's pub history then maybe - just maybe - they will get more customers.

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