Why Trump Won, and Why the Current Crop of Purported Leaders Must Be Swept Aside

For a long time I've been busting on Marco Rubio people, and the class -- Upper Middle Class College-Educated -- so enthused about him.*

I've said this before, but this class, in particular, is extremely bully-able. Their class itself is is the product of liberal social cues and mores. College being one of the main prerequisites of class entry (other prerequisites: That your parents are also college-educated), this class is particularly sensitive to threats to their social status by liberals.**

Any class whose credentials are monitored by a progressive/archliberal dominant cadre is going to be easily whipsawed into conformity with that progressive/archliberal cadre.

I'm sorry to say this, but most of the right's "leadership" -- media, think tank (academic), political -- is drawn from the upper middle/parents were college educated class.

It takes very little to pose a challenge to their class membership -- a questioning of whether or not they're firmly enough committed to liberal social values, to get them to back down and begin making apologies.

When you look at people like Paul Ryan, the whole point of their "conservative agenda" seems to be to accomplish every single Action Item on the liberal checklist, but through, allegedly, more conservative means (such as "market-based mechanisms" -- this is how Romney, obviously a High Avatar of this class, wound up passing the "conservative version of universal health care," RomneyCare, which ultimately gave us ObamaCare).

And this is why I keep saying, over and over, that Rubio People Are Silly. Marco Rubio never talked about any real conservative principle. He never attempted to upset any political applecarts or further any conservative ends.

He was always the conservagtive candidate you could show off to your Liberal Friends -- and your friends are your culture-makers and class-mores enforcers -- to prove you were "one of the good ones" and "not like those other unsophisticated, racist conservatives."

And that was it. That was what he brought to the table.

That was his selling point.

Period.

His big claim to political fame -- where he actually exerted himself to accomplish something -- was being the Salesman for the ultimate progressive agenda item, free and unopposed migration into America by whoever managed to get across the border.

And his job was to sell that as a "deeply conservative" proposition.

Obviously, Ted Cruz was not a good replacement for Rubio in this respect; Cruz was "one of the crazy ones," and thus marked his supporters as "one of the bad conservatives," one of the people who love Jesus and crazy shit like that.

And for a lot of us, this sort of candidate-most-acceptable-to-the-establishment's-liberal-pals model isn't cutting it any longer.

As I've grown older, I've found myself giving fewer and fewer fucks about what my social cohort might think about this or that. I am willing to make fewer and fewer accommodations to get along. I am willing to do less and less just to fit in with the liberal crowed, and keep on the "good conservative" list.

There are simply too many people in the commanding positions of conservative leadership who are very concerned about keeping on the Liberal Friend White List.

Trump won because when a Native American activist (posing as a journalist) declared that "Pocahantas" was "very offensive" as used in regard to Elizabeth Warren -- dishonestly, I might add, as everyone knows the term is used to deny she's an Indian, not to denigrate her as an Indian, and everyone knows this, and only a liar pretends otherwise -- Trump did not begin falling over himself to make apologies and keep the well-wishes of the increasingly unreasonable left-wing hegemony.

He just began making fun of the stupid silly bitch for being a stupid silly bitch.

People are fucking tired of walking around on eggshells and being made to apologize for every fucking goddamn thing in the world.

And what we increasingly want is a political leadership that tells the Grievance Mongers and Offense Farmers to shut the fuck up and get bent rather than explaining to them how a Conservative Version of Political Correctness Can Achieve All the Good Things That Liberal Political Correctness Can Achieve, But Using Market-Based Mechanisms.

It's time to stop fucking about it.

I'm tired of it, and I know millions of other people are tired of it too.

So I don't give a fuck anymore if some dishonest bitch dishonestly feigns offense over the term "Pocahantas."

It's time to start treating them as what they are -- dishonest liars trying to control you.

And it's time to start treating them as straight up internal enemies.

We tried it polite. We've been falling all ourselves for 30 years to try to convince the increasingly extremist left wing assholes that we're not all the foul things they call us.

It's impossible -- their jobs, their income, and their government subsidies depend on us being treated as second-class citizens and beasts for taxation.

It's about time we woke and realized they cannot be convinced, because they never really believed their bullshit anyway, it was always for the purposes of exacting rents out of people and making them knuckle under.

And I'm afraid our current leadership just can never get that -- they find themselves too afraid to go against their class, they fear too much the idea of being outcasts from their castes.

Trump is immune to such Mean Girl persuasions not because he's an especially courageous or wise man, but because he's a narcissist and a bully himself. Not because he's a good man, but because he's a fairly bad one.

But it doesn't matter how he came to be immune to their power -- all that matters is that he is immune to it.

And the people that want to continue to fall all over themselves to appease the unappeasable liberals are no longer needed in the positions of high responsibility in the movement.

Our political leaders -- whether in actual political positions or in communications and ideation -- are here to defend us and keep the increasingly unreasonable and aggressive left off our fucking backs, not to curry favor with these nasty animals, and not to keep in their good graces.

And if they seem more concerned with the latter than the former-- they they have to go.

One cannot act freely until one can think freely first.

They should spend every waking moment fighting the hegemony of Social Justice Warrior thought, not trying to explain how conservatism can accomplish many of the same goals by alternate means.

I imagine in a short period of time we will see a partial political realignment as most of this class I'm talking about -- which is naturally liberal -- self re-sorts itself into the liberal camp, where they really ought to have been all along.

Long Story Short: In social struggles -- not military ones, not political ones -- a concession may be demanded or a privilege asserted, but it cannot actually come into being until/unless the target concedes it.

We have been doing far too much concession in the social struggle. We have granted them too many indulgences, in the obviously-lunatic belief that if we just grant them this next indulgence, they'll be appeased and won't come back in two days demanding another one.

It's time to stop being reasonable. It's time to start being every bit as unreasonable as they are.

* Actually let me take that back and say maybe I'm talking about a much smaller caste -- the politico-media class. You have to concede a lot of the Left's agenda items to remain clubbable in the media.

** By the way, as I've said before, I completely get this, and have felt that pressure myself. I'm not actually saying this makes you a bad person.

However, anyone who is compromised by the left -- including especially by its assertion of authority as arbiter of what is socially acceptable -- is not a very good fighter against the left.

It does occur to me that my complaint here must be overstated -- after all, I don't just want scumbags representing the movement just because scumbags have accepted they are scumbags and thus feel little social pressure to conform to the social mores (which are, largely, created and propagated by the left).

I suppose the optimal sort of person for this job is -- was -- Andrew Breitbart. A perfectly reputable person, who was perfectly willing to act "disreputably" in the service of rejecting social pressure of the left.

I don't know if we'll be able to find many respectable people who can act disrespectfully as the situation demands. Someone's respectable/disrespectable tendencies are pretty much inborn and cannot simply be switched on or off.

But I sure would like to see a whole lot less respectable behavior in the face of increasingly outrageous demands.

Sometimes -- and more so now that at most points in history -- the correct response is simply "Go to hell" or "fuck yourself."

This reminds me of a great essay I read on GamerGate, long ago. Can't remember who wrote it. The central thesis, however, was that the core of GamerGate were very socially marginalized people, who could not be whipsawed into compliance by social pressure because they had been socially excluded already and you cannot threaten to take away from someone that which you had previously denied them. You can't threaten to reduce someone's social status if you've already degraded him in social status.

Thus, when the Social Justice Wariors went after the more socially-excluded gamers, they found stiff resistance by an enemy they could not understand -- people who didn't give a shit about the SJW's heaping of social scorn on them because they were already used to it.

That drove the SJWs crazy.

So I don't really know the answer here, but I'm pretty sure it begins with caring an awful lot less what any prog troll might happen to think.

I would also note that stripping the "Cool Kids" of power beings with denying they're the cool kids in the first place.

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Ace is a genius to analyze the pundit class, the "elites," and the self-appointed "thought leaders" as themselves a specific demographic -- and a particularly despicable and self-deluded demographic at that.

Posted by: zombie at May 27, 2016 08:09 PM (jBuUi)

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And, also a particularly tiny demographic at the ballot box. Their only importance is in their (purported) ability to influence their inferiors, not as an actual voting bloc.

10A reminder that immediately after he clinched the nomination in 2012, Romney ran off for a two month family vacation until the convention, including air-freighting his magic dancing horsie to the Olympics to perform.

Must say, having a candidate spending the intervening time kicking the Dems in the happy sack and keeping the media spotlight focused on himself sure seems like a more effective strategy.

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Ace, love the vitriol, just make sure you keep having fun. Keep getting to them, don't let them get to you.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at May 27, 2016 08:13 PM (QdAXQ)

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Paul Ryan is only Conservative because the Liberal media labeled him. He was a Kemp protégé twenty plus years ago at Empower America and hasn't changed.

Posted by: Jean at May 27, 2016 08:14 PM (Doh4+)

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Well said.
I've though for awhile now it's time to get in their faces and tell them to put a sock in it. Begin with the thought masters...the media. They're not very bright and cannot counter a fact-based argument.
Trump does this in spades.

"Trump won because when a Native American activist (posing as a journalist) declared that "Pocahantas" was "very offensive" as used in regard to Elizabeth Warren -- dishonestly, I might add, as everyone knows the term is used to deny she's an Indian, not to denigrate her as an Indian, and everyone knows this, and only a liar pretends otherwise -- Trump did not begin falling over himself to make apologies and keep the well-wishes of the increasingly unreasonable left-wing hegemony.

He just began making fun of the stupid silly bitch for being a stupid silly bitch.

People are fucking tired of walking around on eggshells and being made to apologize for every fucking goddamn thing in the world."

Ace has seen the light about Trump!

Trump, is not a candidate. He is an attitude, personified.

We crave that attitude.

Yes, Trump as a flesh-and-blood man is flawed to an almost comical degree, but dammit, he has that attitude!

And that's why people love him.

It's for the same reason that the girls in high school lust after the criminal, stupid, crass, violent boy who has a motorcycle and a leather jacket. He's everything she dislikes -- except for that attitude! Swoon!

Posted by: zombie at May 27, 2016 08:15 PM (jBuUi)

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Ace is a genius to analyze the pundit class, the "elites," and the
self-appointed "thought leaders" as themselves a specific demographic --
and a particularly despicable and self-deluded demographic at that.---He is, though I wonder, given Trump's nomination. if "thought leader" is an appropriate term for them anymore.

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Yep, it hit me a few months ago that our conservative intelligentsia are basically the same people as the liberal elite, they just purport to be "conservative" in a narrow political sense.

They have little in common with someone like me, and I realized they despise me as much as the liberals do.

As I've tried to frame it, plotting a political position requires a hell of a lot more than 1 dimension, you know, the famous left-right axis.

Consider someone like Rich the Dick Lowry. On that stupid left-right axis, we would appear to be close together. But in the real full dimensional space, you'd see how far apart we really were. It's just when you compress it down to 1 dimension, the projections appear to be close.

Political realignments are when that governing 1D axis gets shifted in the larger space.

Oh, hell, forgive me, that's a mathematical description, and probably sounds like gibberish to those who don't think that way. But to me, that's the perfect way to describe it.

And in other news, my mother now has an official diagnosis: major depressive disorder with psychotic features. It's a feature, not a bug, apparently. She's pitiful really. If I could just shake her out of it, snap my fingers, wave a magic wand, say some incantation, do something, I would. But that ain't possible.

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In my personal life, I've stop hiding a lot of my beliefs. It has surprised some people, but I haven't lost any real friends. If I lost anyone's respect solely because of my conservatism, they weren't a person whose respect is all that valuable. Oh no, someone might de-friend me on social medial - the horror!

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at May 27, 2016 08:20 PM (kumBu)

25I'm scared this will devolve into Virtue Signaling Thread #2 for the day.

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"And it's time to start treating them as straight up internal enemies."

Fair point, but..... what, in concrete terms is "treating them as enemies" going to entail? Enemies aren't simply opponents, rivals, or competitors. They are of a different class altogether, and generally speaking, enemies are only dealt with within a very limited range of options, all of which are *combative* beyond mere rhetoric.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at May 27, 2016 08:22 PM (rznWS)

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In these rare moments when I wake up in the middle of the night and ask myself "Hrothgar,why do you frequent AoSHQ?" I turn to posts like this and say "This, a thousand times this, is why I come here!"

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So does this mean the term "cuckservative" is no longer verboten? Because although I consider myself a friend of Israel and pretty much only date outside my race....I can't think of a better term to describe the so-called conservatives that you so artfully desribed Ace.

And for the record, I've been reading your blog since high school, 7 years ago. You practically made me a conservative. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: Danny Donkey at May 27, 2016 08:29 PM (bp9UF)

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Channel the honey badger. Not only does it break their power over you, it's damn enjoyable too!

Posted by: Brother Cavil at May 27, 2016 08:29 PM (D0J8L)

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Fair point, but..... what, in concrete terms is "treating them as
enemies" going to entail? Enemies aren't simply opponents, rivals, or
competitors. They are of a different class altogether, and generally
speaking, enemies are only dealt with within a very limited range of
options, all of which are *combative* beyond mere rhetoric.---I'm just spitballing here, but1. Declare war on Mexico2. Charge all supporters of Illegal immigration with treason.At least for starters.

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Spot-on, Ace. There is no meeting the Left halfway, because once you've ceded them their half, they will immediately demand yours.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 27, 2016 08:29 PM (AroJD)

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I'm not the kind of guy to call Elizabeth Warren "Pocahontas". I'll call her a liar and defend that, but I don't do the little nicknames.

OTOH, I feel absolutely no obligation to scold someone who does use them. So "Pocahontas" makes a bunch of professional Republicans cluck their tongues and shake their heads ruefully. BFD. It's also making a hell of a lot more people laugh. And those people vote in states that matter, not DC or VA.

4824 In my personal life, I've stop hiding a lot of my beliefs. It has surprised some people, but I haven't lost any real friends. If I lost anyone's respect solely because of my conservatism, they weren't a person whose respect is all that valuable. Oh no, someone might de-friend me on social medial - the horror!
Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean

90% of the time, I still have to hide my true politics, because ALL (not some, but ALL) of my family, friends, colleagues, neighbors and acquaintances are hardcore lefties, ranging from run-of-the-middle liberal all the way out to wild-eyed Maoist, and everything in between.

Just for my own ease of gliding through life, I don't discuss politics in meatspace.

But every now and then I have "confessed" to a couple friends and relatives. Interesting result: Most of them PRETEND THE CONVERSATION DIDN'T HAPPEN! That is, my confession (of non-leftism) was so upsetting and incomprehensible that it had to be "pretended away."

One friend, for example, was having a heart-to-heart with me back in about 2009 when I just couldn't contain myself any longer and told her that I was "conservative" (which really isn't the best word for me, but it was the closest shorthand for the moment). She acted stunned, and fell silent, and looked away, and then quickly excused herself and left.

Three months later, we met up again, and she chirped merrily as if nothing had been said. We didn't discuss politics then.

Our standard "friend" relationship resumed.

Then is 2012 she offhandedly said some leftist tribal shibboleth bullshit to me, as if I would automatically concur. I didn't.

Now? She emails me Bernie 2016 emails like I had never said anything!

I truly think she blotted my confession from her mind and has physically forgotten it.

54I'm just spitballing here, but
1. Declare war on Mexico
2. Charge all supporters of Illegal immigration with treason.
At least for starters.

At least one entire state should have its statehood revoked on grounds of failing to ensure its citizens a republican (small 'r' here) form of government. And also, willingly allowing itself to effectively become a colony of a foreign government. Yes I may have one in mind here...

34 SE Cupp has been dead to me for a while now.
Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius)

I'm not talkin' 'bout politics -- I'm talking solely about looks.

Posted by: zombie at May 27, 2016 08:32 PM (jBuUi)

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If Trump wins, poli Sci people will study this election for decades. It's clear that a ton of Trump voters don't particularly like him as a man but love that he has the balls to tell the SJWs to go pound sand. Could a 'normal' politician have done that and cooped that voting bloc?

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"And it's time to start treating them as straight up internal enemies."

Time to Trump um. If everyone starts trying to do what Trump does the world will be a better place. Tit-for-tat with illogical emotionalism.

Read the riot scene in Ciaphas Cain. Ciaphas Cain is Donald Trump with a chain-sword and a laz-pistol. Gets his Regiment to fight the enemy instead of each other while trying to get drunk, get laid, and stay alive in the year 40K.

Demand (fill-in-the-blank) clean up this mess. Start pointing and saying go-get-a-mop. Tell them to quit bothering the dead emperor and get busy. Start reminding Ryan that he said he was going to cut spending. Start chanting where's-the-cuts every time Ryan tries to give a speech.

No one has called Ryan out but Trump. No one has called Mitch McConnell out at all. Why not?

Posted by: huh? at May 27, 2016 08:34 PM (CRXed)

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36: They just don't know. Something I didn't know about, but learned about after the fact, is they're finding that major surgery is a risk factor for mental problems and dementia in the elderly, with elderly women being at higher risk than men.

General anesthesia is bad about this. It's funny, but how these gases actually work is still not well understood. There are things it does that they have no idea. Unknown unknowns. Maybe known unknowns, actually.

Now, my mother didn't have general, but a spinal (plus some femoral nerve thing) and a heavy sedative. That's not nearly as bad, but it can still cause problems.

But something they've discovered is that *inflammation*, major inflammation such as occurs after surgery and any major trauma (big fall, car wreck) can have an effect on the brain in the elderly as well.

So that is a hypothesis about what to my mother.

They're trying all sorts of drugs. I haven't asked for the details, because I'll get to reading about these powerful psychoactive drugs and all the terrible potential side effects and worry myself sick. It's evident she's sort of "drugged" acting as well. Strange look on her face.

But they weren't and still aren't all that optimistic that the drugs will work. But one of the shrinks said she thinks my mother is coming out of the hole. It's still bad, but she thinks she on the upswing.

Anyway, if the drugs don't work or she doesn't snap out of it on her own, they mentioned more drastic treatments, ECT, shock treatment. I nearly had a stroke when they mentioned that.

But, she's not wanting to eat, and if she gets to wasting away, well, I'd consider it......

Why is the only word you find appropriate a word which is only used by outright racists?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2016 08:34 PM (1xUj/)

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Fortunately, my entire family consists of conservatives...we've worked too damn hard to watch those asshole liberals give it all away to people who won't work and just stand around with their friggin' hands out...waiting on the gubmint cheese. If any of my friends do harbor secret liberal leanings, they keep it to themselves around me.

Posted by: Sixkiller at May 27, 2016 08:34 PM (pcyHg)

64Ace is feeling the Don. Taking him a lot of paragraphs to get there, though. And I'm not sure he's done.

I don't think he's made his peace with Trump--and that's OK! It's possible to learn his lessons without liking the man or necessarily being happy about him possibly becoming C-in-C!

But the first steps to throwing off the mental shackles the Left has put on America is to see them, to realize they suck, and start looking for ways to be rid of them.

He's found the special shades. He sees the ghouls and their subliminal messages. The rest...in his own time.

66As I've tried to frame it, plotting a political position requires a hell of a lot more than 1 dimension, you know, the famous left-right axis.

Consider someone like Rich the Dick Lowry. On that stupid left-right axis, we would appear to be close together. But in the real full dimensional space, you'd see how far apart we really were. It's just when you compress it down to 1 dimension, the projections appear to be close.

Political realignments are when that governing 1D axis gets shifted in the larger space.

Oh, hell, forgive me, that's a mathematical description, and probably sounds like gibberish to those who don't think that way. But to me, that's the perfect way to describe it.

A better way to visualize it is a triangle, with the three points labeled "Equality", "Stability", "Personal Freedom". Progressives cluster around the equality point, moving mostly along the Equality/Personal Freedom axis. Conservatives cluster around the Stability point, moving mostly along the Stability/Personal Freedom axis. Libertarians cluster around the Personal Freedom point, and move in both directions. Very few people are in the center, because usually one point or another is a low priority in favor of maximizing the other two.

For example, in foreign policy libertarians tend to oppose intervention on the principle that other countries are free to do as they wish. Conservatives tend to favor either protecting the established order, or if it is to be changed doing so to something that will promote greater stability. Progressives seek to equalize power between nations; limiting the influence of greater powers and increasing the influence of minor powers.

Posted by: Colorado Alex at May 27, 2016 08:35 PM (fC9RO)

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Confessions if A Twenty First Century Conservative: Supporting Imperfect Candidates Because They're The GOP Nominee

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Trump isn't "Politically Incorrect" in any meaningful sense. He doesn't challenge anyone's basic premises. When he is isn't lashing out at someone criticizing him, he drifts into line with the SJW crowd - witness the bathroom issue or the condemnation of Scalia.

On his big 'politically incorrect' issues, the Muslim ban and immigration, he is softening quickly.

And he is enough of a narcissist that it doesn't seem like he will fight for anyone ELSE'S right to be rude. He chastised North Carolina because the religious liberty bill was bad for business and told the Kentucky clerk to resign.

Political Correctness should be fought, but Trump won't do that.

What Trump is, is rude. Which is a lot of fun and very invigorating, but accomplishes little.

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At least one entire state should have its statehood revoked on grounds
of failing to ensure its citizens a republican (small 'r' here) form of
government. And also, willingly allowing itself to effectively become a
colony of a foreign government. Yes I may have one in mind here...---I'm guessing it has a lot of electoral votes.---

C. What about the real issues?

---"real issues" don't matter as long as the gop exists to prevent any dissent from the leftist agenda from occurring.

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This is what I was saying back when it was all about some girl reporter getting knocked down. Trump defended his guy, right or wrong, before all the video came out - he stood strong and said F you. You know Bush would have tossed dry faggots on the guy's pyre.

Posted by: Jean at May 27, 2016 08:39 PM (Doh4+)

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I say that Trump operates on a different axis politically. We focus on left-right or conservative-liberal but he skews hard American on American-antiAmerican.

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@71: "What Trump is, is rude. Which is a lot of fun and very invigorating, but accomplishes little."

Trump is a much-needed murder weapon/wrecking ball. Anything positive he does on top of that is pure gravy.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at May 27, 2016 08:40 PM (rznWS)

86But every now and then I have "confessed" to a couple friends and relatives. Interesting result: Most of them PRETEND THE CONVERSATION DIDN'T HAPPEN!

True story: I got to converse with Khalid Yahya Blankinslip (convert to Islam) last year. We were discussing his book "The Fall of the Jihad State", which describes how Caliph Hisham just plain ran out of dhimmis to tax - due to the conquests stalling and to dhimmis converting to Islam. I mooted some thoughts about how some suras might refer to this - which implied that those suras were post-Muhammadan forgeries.

The man shut down. That's the only way I can describe it. He moved his face back into his papers and pretended the conversation wasn't happening. I pivoted the topic and suddenly he was back on Earth.

If he'd thought I was wrong, I expect he'd have called me out on my bullshit. If he thought I was just nuts then maybe he'd flee the room and/or call security. But it wasn't like that. It was like I'd broken his heart or sprained his head or something.

What Trump is, is rude. Which is a lot of fun and very invigorating, but accomplishes little.
Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 08:37 PM (mFkVC)

Ask Jeb about that.

So far, being rude has gained Trump much.

Rude and vulgar are both tells.

They reveal something the speaker wants to hide.

Posted by: eman at May 27, 2016 08:41 PM (MQEz6)

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So essentially Trump is the product of overreaching leftists. And to think it didn't even take a Versailles Treaty to get here. The Fed Bank is going to accomodate the shit out of these volatile political times just like they did in late 60's. Except this time we are leveraged to the hllt. We won't get the opportunity to go long wheel barrel futures because currency is digital. Hosed.

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Why is the only word you find appropriate a word which is only used by outright racists?---It isn't used exclusively by racists, unless you think Karl Denninger over at market-ticker is one.

It's popular among some because the third wheel in porn videos apparently tends to be black. Oh so I heard here as I've done no research on that front myself. The racism angle was played up by people who were looking to protect the gope from what was otherwise a devastatingly accurate description of their behavior.

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"Trump is immune to such Mean Girl persuasions not because he's an especially courageous or wise man, but because he's a narcissist and a bully himself. Not because he's a good man, but because he's a fairly bad one."

Trump is immune because the Wizard of Oz gave him two Doctor of Thinkology Diplomas. He is twice as smart as the Strawman. Also Trump has the magic belt that can call the flying monkeys to his aid. In our world they are invisible but they confound those that seek to deceive.

Posted by: huh? at May 27, 2016 08:42 PM (CRXed)

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I'm sorry to say this, but most of the right's "leadership" -- media, think tank (academic), political -- is drawn from the upper middle/parents were college educated class. -Ace
With no facts to back it up, it seems the major problem is the high regard for Ivy League credentials. Bringing Ivy Leaguers into a conservative organization is like implanting a cancer into a body.
If those hiring and promoting have a preference for Ivy League prestige the organization is doomed to being taken over by leftists.
An Ivy League credential should be met with suspicion, not awe.

Posted by: Tin Foil is Always in Season at May 27, 2016 08:42 PM (TvtKB)

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Protestors found themselves in conflict with Pro-Trump forces who chanted "USA and Build the Wall".

Posted by: The MFM at May 27, 2016 08:43 PM (2TUVm)

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Another part of this multi dimensional "sociopolitical space" is stuff that we generally don't think of as sort of political. Take some urban type vs me, a redneck country boy. Our differences in just how we think about things and the world, what we value as important and not important, are very different.

In that subspace, the conservative intelligentsia is truly alien to me.

112That's not who we are
We are not that's who
Who we that's not are
Are we not that's who

Posted by: derit at May 27, 2016 08:46 PM (OC+TJ)

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Yup. How can I believe you are going to fight for my interests if you are too scared to even call them on their bullshit? You can't even just state their lies are lies, but somehow you are going to lead.

Remember when people have different opinions and when the subject at hand is courage not agreement?

Posted by: eman at May 27, 2016 08:48 PM (MQEz6)

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What Trump is, is rude. Which is a lot of fun and very invigorating, but accomplishes little.

you're largely right -- but it's still something.

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 08:44 PM (dciA+)

It's more than something..you can not effect change or make a difference, a real difference, until you seize the reins of power...And Trump is actually making an effort to win unlike our recent past candidates. IF he gains those reins, then we will see what he does and how he does it.. He might surprise you, and he might live up to all your worst expectations. Time will tell, but I sure as hell know how the FAB and the far left will act, so it's uno brainer to me

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2016 08:48 PM (Ozsfq)

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President Camacho ! He will serve up a can of whupass if you cross him.

We know damn well who is native is documented, and damn well she isn't . She was committing fraud and everybody know it. That "reporter" knew it. Everyone in that room knew it. Everyone in the state knew it

Posted by: ThunderB, War Criminal at May 27, 2016 08:49 PM (zOTsN)

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@105 True. But this one's the latest in a series. Poor guy is trying to convince himself, while at the same time trying not to deceive himself. Very tricky spot, as Chris "the mad dog" Russo might say. I expect more words to come.

What it seems likely to result in, however, is a guy who's amusingly rude as he advances liberal policies.

And he'll use that rudeness, which has effectively neutered guys like Jeb, against Sasse and Cruz and Lee - like tonight, when he said old Lyin' Ted holds up the Bible and then puts it down and lies.

And the people who will be weakened are the folks in his party, who ostensibly have much of the same audience, guys like Sasse and Cruz. As for leftists - is his rudeness hurting Warren, or making her a more prominent political figure, popular with her base, and viable for the Presidency?

130
Cruz attacked/criticized McConnell. Because McConnell is in it for McConnell.

I realize a lot of people diagnose Trump as a strutting egotist, and yes, he probably is. But frankly, he is honest is refreshing. He is just what he appears to be. A lot of other politicians hide their vice and weakness and ego to prey on the voters and get their approval, then turn around and do whatever they please. They say the most annoying altruistic claptrap, and expect us to buy it as sincere. This guy that lives in my neighborhood, John Kasich, is a lot like that. He has ability, but his attitudes really put people off.

Trump is rich, was born into money, has made money, and is a real Alpha male. That doesn't mean he is virtuous (because he is not), but he knows what he wants and goes after it. All his flaws are in view, and yet despite that, people are attracted to him, or see him as enough of alternative to vote for him. It's not that I am afraid he will become a Mussolini, because for all his faults, I don't think he is cruel and sinister. But his ego could become so large that he could make some big errors in judgement believing in his own correct analysis ( or mistaken analysis) of a given situation.

His personal wealth gives him the confidence to walk away from a bad deal in the making, and to blow off the PC talk. This is actually a key to the success of many people, to be able to judge a "bad deal", where YOU are the mark, and realize that this is a no win for you, buddy

133We know damn well who is native is documented, and
damn well she isn't . She was committing fraud and everybody know it.
That "reporter" knew it. Everyone in that room knew it. Everyone in
the state knew it

Posted by: ThunderB, War Criminal at May 27, 2016 08:49 PM (zOTsN)

Kinda like Obongo claiming his parents first met when he was four years old.No one guffawed. Even though he proved his knowledge of biology is on a par with his knowledge of history, geography, and economics.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2016 08:52 PM (oKE6c)

134So essentially Trump is the product of overreaching leftists. And to think it didn't even take a Versailles Treaty to get here. The Fed Bank is going to accommodate the shit out of these volatile political times just like they did in late 60's. Except this time we are leveraged to the hilt. We won't get the opportunity to go long wheel barrel futures because currency is digital. Hosed.

Posted by: Spoonman at May 27, 2016 08:41 PM (PcHwJ)

I was thinking the other day that our concerns about the re-education camps are out-dated. The government controls communicators, the media, the banking system, the retirement account systems, the judiciary, the DoJ, the transportation systems, the electric grid, and can easily shut down the food distribution and water systems.

135
I also remember when Cruz did the same thing when thugs went after a Trump rally.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 27, 2016 08:47 PM (6FqZa)
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Well, first he condemned the protesters. Then he attacked Trump's rhetoric. And Cruz was in a very nasty political campaign against Trump.

That's a little different then a celebrity who for no particular reason goes on twitter to attack a woman for having the temerity to almost be killed by terrorists.

What it seems likely to result in, however, is a guy who's amusingly rude as he advances liberal policies.

And he'll use that rudeness, which has effectively neutered guys like Jeb, against Sasse and Cruz and Lee - like tonight, when he said old Lyin' Ted holds up the Bible and then puts it down and lies.

And the people who will be weakened are the folks in his party, who ostensibly have much of the same audience, guys like Sasse and Cruz. As for leftists - is his rudeness hurting Warren, or making her a more prominent political figure, popular with her base, and viable for the Presidency?
Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 08:50 PM (mFkVC)

Fear.

Reeks of fear.

Posted by: eman at May 27, 2016 08:52 PM (MQEz6)

137
The word comes from race cuck, someone who cuckolds his own race by miscegenating.

Cuckold is a perfectly valid Anglo-Saxon word for a thing I've done to a couple of husbands.

Married with racial overtones it is only racist. It has no other connotation, and I do believe Teh Ewok has made that clear.---Teh Ewok may believe that, but he's not Webster (the dictionary, I mean), but it's not currently true. At least, the other contexts I've seen it in seem to mainly reference the latter meaning of 'husband getting off watching someone else bang his wife' (no racial reference necessary) which is a perfectly accurate way of viewing the gope and its approaching to dealing with what the dems are doing to our country.

138
You still don't get it. While it's nice you appear to have come to some epiphany concerning the failures of "conservative" and/or "Republican" leadership, intellectuals, and pundits, the reality is that we no longer have any tangible difference between the "left" and "right" side of politics. PEOPLE are different, but the glitterati are simply putting on a "good cop, bad cop" routine. We have witnessed the final evolution of a ruling class that aims to turn us (and by us I mean those of us who are not politicians, intellectuals, or pundits - you know, the actual PRODUCERS) into Mexico.

Posted by: Digger at May 27, 2016 08:53 PM (FGO94)

139
Ace, aside from his very sensible opposition to open borders, you've hit on Trump's appeal. He's a welcome breath of fresh "fuck you" to the insipid political correctness that both parties wallow in without a second thought.

I still ain't voting for him -- because let it burn -- but it is fun to watch him butt screw their sacred cows.

Posted by: Sam in VA at May 27, 2016 08:53 PM (9stgl)

140
>>Even though he proved his knowledge of biology is on a par with his knowledge of history, geography, and economics.

...and umbrellas.

Posted by: garrett at May 27, 2016 08:53 PM (NvC7m)

141
So, in other words, it's finally okay to throat punch the BLM/SJW/GOPe assmunchers to get them to shut up?

Posted by: oddnot says ~sigh~ at May 27, 2016 08:54 PM (g1MTt)

142135 I also remember when Cruz did the same thing when thugs went after a Trump rally.
Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at May 27, 2016 08:47 PM (6FqZa)
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Well, first he condemned the protesters. Then he attacked Trump's rhetoric. And Cruz was in a very nasty political campaign against Trump.

That's a little different then a celebrity who for no particular reason goes on twitter to attack a woman for having the temerity to almost be killed by terrorists.
Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 08:52 PM (mFkVC)

It was the moment Cruz sided with the gope in a desperate attempt to keep his campaign alive.

Trump keeps his finger in the wind to figure out what "his" position is. In the Gellar situation, he supported muslim violence by trying to justify it. How else is one to take such a leftist position?

Posted by: Mimzey at May 27, 2016 08:55 PM (aRUb8)

146
Rudeness is basically how the leftists have taken over the culture and the country. They scream and get in everybody's face relentless, throwing their feces all over the place (sometimes quite literally).

The path of least resistance is to give them what they want to shut them up. They don't give a shit about civility and politeness and all that.

147
If Trump wins in November, it will be the First.Christmas.Ever I'll enjoy being around my liberal sib-in-laws.

I'll keep it classy by not smirking or acting the way they did during Barky's two victories.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 27, 2016 08:55 PM (1ZOkK)

148
Kinda like Obongo claiming his parents first met when he was four years old.No
one guffawed. Even though he proved his knowledge of biology is on a
par with his knowledge of history, geography, and economics.

Posted by: Jay Guevara

And he just found out last year the Aluminum is not magnetic. Rocket scientist he ain't.

19 Trillion in debt, quasi-fascists running every agency and institution in the country, racial and ethnic divide. Just for starters.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 27, 2016 08:56 PM (89T5c)

150
132 Being polite has gotten us what exactly?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2016 08:51 PM (Ozsfq)

Invitations to Nina Brown's cocktail parties, plebe.

Posted by: GOP at May 27, 2016 08:56 PM (7qAYi)

151
>>>>> Yup. How can I believe you are going to fight for my interests if you are too scared to even call them on their bullshit? You can't even just state their lies are lies, but somehow you are going to lead.
Head lemmings, jockeying for position in the charge over the cliffs.
Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at May 27, 2016 08:46 PM
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This comment should be titled Shorter Ace.
Very well said.

Posted by: L, Elle at May 27, 2016 08:56 PM (6IPEM)

152138 You still don't get it. While it's nice you appear to have come to some epiphany concerning the failures of "conservative" and/or "Republican" leadership, intellectuals, and pundits, the reality is that we no longer have any tangible difference between the "left" and "right" side of politics. PEOPLE are different, but the glitterati are simply putting on a "good cop, bad cop" routine. We have witnessed the final evolution of a ruling class that aims to turn us (and by us I mean those of us who are not politicians, intellectuals, or pundits - you know, the actual PRODUCERS) into Mexico.
Posted by: Digger at May 27, 2016 08:53 PM (FGO94)

Trump has been splitting the democratic alliance wherever he can. He didn't elevate Warren. He exposed her. As a fraud who stole NA heritage

Most NA and Hispanics hadn't heard that before. The media suppressed it

Posted by: ThunderB, War Criminal at May 27, 2016 08:58 PM (zOTsN)

161
@125: "What it seems likely to result in, however, is a guy who's amusingly rude as he advances liberal policies.
"

Well, it's at least a change from "pathetically cowering and fellating while rubber-stamping liberal policies"

"And he'll use that rudeness, which has effectively neutered guys
like Jeb, against Sasse and Cruz and Lee - like tonight, when he said
old Lyin' Ted holds up the Bible and then puts it down and lies."

Jeb was born neutered - or, more accurately, to quote Pam Poovey from "Archer," his "balls are made of pussy." And to let you in on a little secret, *ALL* politicians lie; the only difference is as to degree. Looking for honesty in a politician is like looking for chastity in a whorehouse.

"And the people who will be weakened are the folks in his party, who
ostensibly have much of the same audience, guys like Sasse and Cruz. As
for leftists - is his rudeness hurting Warren, or making her a more
prominent political figure, popular with her base, and viable for the
Presidency?"

So....the plan is to go back to groveling and "playing nice"? The whole Women's Christian Temperance Union shtick really hasn't gotten the GOP anywhere, and it's precisely why Trump is where he is.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at May 27, 2016 08:58 PM (rznWS)

162
What it seems likely to result in, however, is a guy who's amusingly rude as he advances liberal policies.

-----

Exactly. Thats what con men do.

Posted by: Mimzey at May 27, 2016 08:58 PM (aRUb8)

163
Rocks and bottles were thrown, police cars were damaged as Trump supporters confronted protesters of his divisive comments on immigrants and minorities.

So you think the last few days have seen Warren DECLINE in popularity?

Look, guys like Ben Shapiro are MEANINGFULLY politically incorrect. He - and guys like Cruz - go after the left's basic premises and untouchable issues with facts, wit, and intelligence.

Trump just yells. He doesn't undermine any liberal assumptions - in fact, he falls back on them when pushed.

Look, it would be great to have a guy with Cruz's politics and Christie's amusing nastiness - that could do Conservatism a huge amount of good. Trump isn't that.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 08:58 PM (mFkVC)

165
'd like to know why people are so determined to use the word "cuck" despite the obvious fact that the main people using it are racists and white supremacists.

At some point, someone's eagerness to be *confused* with a racist begins to look a bit suspect.

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 08:57 PM (dciA+)

"cuck" ? What am I missing here? what is this a reference to?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2016 08:58 PM (Ozsfq)

166
Well, it's at least a change from "pathetically cowering and fellating while rubber-stamping liberal policies"

The end result is the same.

Posted by: Mimzey at May 27, 2016 08:59 PM (aRUb8)

167
The word comes from race cuck, someone who cuckolds his own race by miscegenating.

Cuckold is a perfectly valid Anglo-Saxon word for a thing I've done to a couple of husbands.

Married with racial overtones it is only racist. It has no other connotation, and I do believe Teh Ewok has made that clear.
---
Teh Ewok may believe that, but he's not Webster (the dictionary, I mean), but it's not currently true. At least, the other contexts I've seen it in seem to mainly reference the latter meaning of 'husband getting off watching someone else bang his wife' (no racial reference necessary) which is a perfectly accurate way of viewing the gope and its approaching to dealing with what the dems are doing to our country.
Posted by: Methos, AoS commenter since 2006, now apparently non-voting democrat at May 27, 2016 08:53 PM (3Liv/)

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Another and more direct naturalist, racist meaning is the raising of another race's children. Ref: David French of NRO and elements of the the alt-right.

Posted by: RioBravo at May 27, 2016 08:59 PM (NUqwG)

168Kinda like Obongo claiming his parents first met when he was four years old.No
one guffawed. Even though he proved his knowledge of biology is on a
par with his knowledge of history, geography, and economics.

His parental units met while marching in Selma. And his U. S. army uncle freed the Jews at Auschwitz.

I'll give him credit for having a strong command of the Austrian language. And Mexican.

So beaten down that they lose bladder control when some libtard looks at them the wrong way.

McCain is one of these. So subservient, so beaten down that he acts as hall monitor for the Democrats/Progressives/Commies- trying to squash anyone who raises their head against what being done to this country.

And this is a guy who stood up to torture by the Viet Cong!!!

But, Harry Reid looks at him cross-eyed and he pees himself and cowers with a shit-eating grin.

Pitiful.

Yes, they are all worthless and they must all lose their jobs.

Trump may not be the perfect vehicle but if he teaches a new generation of RepublicanConservative politicians to stand on their hindlegs and throw it right back in the Dims' faces.

Then he will have been well worth it.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 27, 2016 09:01 PM (HGtd0)

174
The whole point of the term is to accuse "cuckservatives" of selling out the white race to mud-blood interlopers.

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 09:00 PM (dciA+)

OK i get that..who is doing it?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2016 09:01 PM (Ozsfq)

175
At some point, someone's eagerness to be *confused* with a racist begins to look a bit suspect.
-------
Or a means of 'mainstreaming' it.

Posted by: RioBravo at May 27, 2016 09:01 PM (NUqwG)

176
>>>>I'd like to know why people are so determined to use the word "cuck" despite the obvious fact that the main people using it are racists and white supremacists.

At some point, someone's eagerness to be *confused* with a racist begins to look a bit suspect.

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 08:57 PM (dciA+)

There's a sizeable group of people who are trying to use this current Anti-PC push as cover to start airing their grievances against the 'problem races.'

"Race realism is free speech" I had it explained to me.

Posted by: El Kabong at May 27, 2016 09:01 PM (datdl)

177
I saw the Mud-Blood Interlopers open for the Insane Clown Posse at Bonaroo!

179
>>>Look, guys like Ben Shapiro are MEANINGFULLY politically incorrect. He - and guys like Cruz - go after the left's basic premises and untouchable issues with facts, wit, and intelligence.

Trump just yells. He doesn't undermine any liberal assumptions - in fact, he falls back on them when pushed.

Look, it would be great to have a guy with Cruz's politics and Christie's amusing nastiness - that could do Conservatism a huge amount of good. Trump isn't that.

...

i agree. But on the other hand, a dismissive attitude that refuses to acknowledge ANY legitimacy to a bullshit claim (like Trump's mocking "Ohhhhh, is it offensive?") is more potent than someone earnestly trying to intellectually explain why a claim has no merit.

Sometime garbage should just be given a garbage response, not a reasoned one.

182
the left will unite. they are naturally herd animals and far more amenable to the pressures of socialization than conservatives.

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 09:03 PM (dciA+)

183
Son has several friends married to women of other races.
Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 27, 2016 09:01 PM (1ZOkK)

It's funny you should say that...I was at West Point to day and I saw more interracial couples and kids there than ANYWHERE in the civilian world. And that goes for almost all Military installations I have been on.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2016 09:03 PM (Ozsfq)

184Look, it would be great to have a guy with Cruz's politics and
Christie's amusing nastiness - that could do Conservatism a huge amount
of good.

I'd like to move to your planet. It sounds very nice.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2016 09:03 PM (oKE6c)

185
So ... he outmaneuvered all of his competitors? I'm sure they'd have done much better against Putin.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2016 09:00 PM (oKE6c)

He leveraged his celebrity and the media's lust for him to beat Cruz, yes.

And funny you should mention Putin. Just tonite, Trump reiterated how well he gets along with Putin and how "strong" a leader he is. But I'm sure Trump won't be outwitted by Putin.

It doesn't matter, I suppose. According to Trump, Putin's never been complicit in a murder - unlike Cruz's Dad.

So you think the last few days have seen Warren DECLINE in popularity?

Look, guys like Ben Shapiro are MEANINGFULLY politically incorrect. He - and guys like Cruz - go after the left's basic premises and untouchable issues with facts, wit, and intelligence.

Trump just yells. He doesn't undermine any liberal assumptions - in fact, he falls back on them when pushed.

Look, it would be great to have a guy with Cruz's politics and Christie's amusing nastiness - that could do Conservatism a huge amount of good. Trump isn't that.
Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 08:58 PM (mFkVC)

Conservatism struck out.

The new batter is Americanism.

Look, we have heard all this stuff a million times. "Oh, be careful, saying that might hurt x or help y."

Fuck that stupid shit.

America is being raped and folks like you want her to stop sceaming because she might wake up your cat.

189
Ronald Reagan was not a rude person. He did not try to browbeat or intimidate his opposition.He almost always tried to be personable. He could be hard as nails at times, and come down hard on those that opposed him.

But he had ideas, learned by years on the stump, and being in politics. He had IDEALS that he lived up to.

Bulletin: There is not another Ronald Reagan waiting in the wings to lead this country. Tom Cotton is a courageous straight talker, but who knows what the party will do to him to knee cap him. He's still youngish, but give him time.

Trump is not really a conservative, but he does care about the country, and though he can be rude, he can also be gracious and friendly and connect with average folk, and talk TO them, and not AT them. His rallies are sometimes a lot of stream-of-consciouness talking points, but people sense he is speaking in a sincere manner (but then again, maybe not?).

His bluntness, sometimes rudeness and straight talking and willingness to walk down the middle of the political road, may be the only thing that can beat the Democrat-Media complex, regardless of what buffoon they may run.

Sooner or later, he will start to attack Barry Soetoro, because he is the sitting President, and the author of much of what is wrong with the psychology of the country today.It will be interesting to see how the Media reacts to THAT.

Think of the money we'll save on presidential "vacations" and constant apology tours.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 27, 2016 09:04 PM (1ZOkK)

191i agree. But on the other hand, a dismissive
attitude that refuses to acknowledge ANY legitimacy to a bullshit claim
(like Trump's mocking "Ohhhhh, is it offensive?") is more potent than
someone earnestly trying to intellectually explain why a claim has no
merit.

Sometime garbage should just be given a garbage response, not a reasoned one.

192
Exactly...It starts first by learning that to free yourself sometimes you need to be a politically incorrect asshole. Dumping a bunch of British merchants tea into Boston Harbor was politically incorrect asshole behavior in 1773. I don't think Paul Ryan c. 1773 would have approved. He is a good boy and always polite. Nice boys in c. 1773 discussed how they needed to find a way to make London like us again.

194
Look, guys like Ben Shapiro are MEANINGFULLY
politically incorrect. He - and guys like Cruz - go after the left's
basic premises and untouchable issues with facts, wit, and intelligence.

Trump just yells. He doesn't undermine any liberal assumptions - in fact, he falls back on them when pushed.

Look, it would be great to have a guy with Cruz's politics and
Christie's amusing nastiness - that could do Conservatism a huge amount
of good. Trump isn't that.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 08:58 PM (mFkVC)

Exactly.It turns out that a lot of people who were fed up with fake "show" politics and "show" values by politicians, actually LIKE show values and politics. Who knew?

Posted by: Mimzey at May 27, 2016 09:06 PM (aRUb8)

195
It's funny you should say that...I was at West Point to day and I saw more interracial couples and kids there than ANYWHERE in the civilian world. And that goes for almost all Military installations I have been on.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2016 09:03 PM (Ozsfq)

The US military "was", pre-Obama, one of the few places where merit and competence were what was paramount!

196
His crowd in San Diego was massive, one estimate had it at 25,000??? Holy cow, that's huge. I wonder if he is really serious about making a play for California. The more Mexican flags are waved, the better his chances.

Posted by: IC at May 27, 2016 09:07 PM (zK6nG)

197
Michelle Malkin may not be completely crazy with her anti-sideboob rant. Glee star Mark Salling, who played Noah Puckerman, has been indicted on child porn charges ironically, given he starred in the gheyest series ever aired, it was porn involving young girls.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 27, 2016 09:07 PM (Nwg0u)

198
The cuckold thing, besides the nasty political meaning, is actually an "alternative lifestyle" thing. There are man out there who get off on the humiliation of watching another man bang their wives. And it has element of the other man, the "bull" being more alpha and of course, well endowed. And it has a racial component with a lot preferring the "bull" to be black.

And the SJW types don't blink an eye about this.

And BTW, the word for the female equivalent of this is "cuckquean", a woman getting off on being humiliated by her husband's lover.

199i agree. But on the other hand, a dismissive attitude that refuses to acknowledge ANY legitimacy to a bullshit claim (like Trump's mocking "Ohhhhh, is it offensive?") is more potent than someone earnestly trying to intellectually explain why a claim has no merit.

Sometime garbage should just be given a garbage response, not a reasoned one.

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 09:02 PM (dciA+)
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This may be true - but the problem is that Trump has shown no interest in deligitimizing PC attacks on OTHER people. Scalia, Geller, the Kentucky clerk, etc.

Trump responds to anything he perceives as a personal slight with flailing that often includes some un-PC remarks. What he is reacting to is the personal attack, not the PC. If he isn't personally involved, he slips right back into the PC grove.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 09:07 PM (mFkVC)

200
At some point, someone's eagerness to be *confused* with a racist begins to look a bit suspect.---There's no confusion. It's entirely likely the first people to use the term did mean it that way. But once the term was out there, it so perfectly fit, regardless of anyone's racial sensitivities, that the term caught on (a large part of the catching being the nature of the people decrying the term who we're all desperate to defend the gope from criticism at the time).

I'm pretty sure Denninger is no racist and is using the latter derivation. I'm not looking for permission to use it here, as it's pretty much no longer necessary. Everyone sees the gope for what they are.

202It's funny you should say that...I was at West
Point to day and I saw more interracial couples and kids there than
ANYWHERE in the civilian world. And that goes for almost all Military
installations I have been on.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2016 09:03 PM (Ozsfq)

I think our military men and women are the most open-minded young people. My son has befriended some LGBT kids on his campus who sit alone in the cafeteria. They aren't the rabid crazy ones we see and hear about. They hate that crap. They appreciate the fact that he's a straight, conservative vet who's not ashamed to eat lunch with them and be their friend.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 27, 2016 09:08 PM (1ZOkK)

203
Can you imagine how much we're spending on AstroGlide, alone?
Posted by: garrett at May 27, 2016 09:07 PM (NvC7m)

You get astroglide? You must be one of O'bumbles' pets....

Posted by: model_1066 at May 27, 2016 09:08 PM (bmZAm)

204
I think our military men and women are the most open-minded young people. My son has befriended some LGBT kids on his campus who sit alone in the cafeteria. They aren't the rabid crazy ones we see and hear about. They hate that crap. They appreciate the fact that he's a straight, conservative vet who's not ashamed to eat lunch with them and be their friend.

206the left will unite. they are naturally herd animals and far more amenable to the pressures of socialization than conservatives.

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 09:03 PM (dciA+)

A very high percentage will. Same on the Republican side. Where Trump can win is with the "blue-collar" white LIVS. They just don't take to Hillary.

Posted by: cm9000 at May 27, 2016 09:09 PM (2TUVm)

207This may be true - but the problem is that Trump has
shown no interest in deligitimizing PC attacks on OTHER people.
Scalia, Geller, the Kentucky clerk, etc.

Trump responds to anything he perceives as a personal slight with
flailing that often includes some un-PC remarks. What he is reacting to
is the personal attack, not the PC. If he isn't personally involved,
he slips right back into the PC grove.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 09:07 PM (mFkVC)OK. You don't like Trump. Lots of people here don't intrinsically like Trump. But our choices are limited. So ... whom ARE you supporting?

209
Obama is spending Memorial Day in Japan and Trump is spending it at a rally with some biker dudes. Tells me all I need to know about priorities right there.

Posted by: IC at May 27, 2016 09:09 PM (zK6nG)

210
America is being raped and folks like you want her to stop sceaming because she might wake up your cat.
Posted by: eman at May 27, 2016 09:03 PM (MQEz6)
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Last night you were talking about how the Constitution shouldn't be revered, tonite you are happy to wave a final good-bye to Conservatism...

What is your definition of "Americanism?"

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 09:10 PM (mFkVC)

211
>>>This may be true - but the problem is that Trump has shown no interest in deligitimizing PC attacks on OTHER people. Scalia, Geller, the Kentucky clerk, etc.

Trump responds to anything he perceives as a personal slight with flailing that often includes some un-PC remarks. What he is reacting to is the personal attack, not the PC. If he isn't personally involved, he slips right back into the PC grove.

...

yes. And yet, still, he's the only guy I've ever seen toss Jose Ramos out of a press conference.

Mock a white democrat party leader, one of the whitest, blondest, blue eyed party leaders ever, for pretending to be a minority to steal a job reserved for a minority.

Ouch

Mock the unfair democrat primary process, point out how Bernie has been done wrong. The Young, who supported Obama in droves, will stay home.

Pit the union members against the illegal immigrant faction. Union members will not only not vote democrat, they will vote for Trump

Call Hillary crooked, watch her poll numbers drop.

He is very deliberately splitting all the cracks

Posted by: ThunderB, War Criminal at May 27, 2016 09:11 PM (zOTsN)

216
Obama is spending Memorial Day in Japan and Trump is spending it at a rally with some biker dudes. Tells me all I need to know about priorities right there.
Posted by: IC at May 27, 2016 09:09 PM (zK6nG)

Actually I could be wrong, but I think he is on his way home already..maybe even here already.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2016 09:11 PM (Ozsfq)

217the left will unite. they are naturally herd animals and far more amenable to the pressures of socialization than conservatives.

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 09:03 PM (dciA+)

I'm not so sure about that. From many years in Berkeley I saw bitter factional disputes between groups whose doctrinal differences were minuscule to non cognoscenti. People's Front of Judea vs. Judean People's Front sort of things. And those disputes were vicious.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2016 09:11 PM (oKE6c)

218
They hate that crap. They appreciate the fact that
he's a straight, conservative vet who's not ashamed to eat lunch with
them and be their friend.

Posted by: Jane D'oh

Because he's a MAN, and a real man does not delight in bullying and mistreating others. A real man recognizes his duty to protect those weaker that can't fight back. Probably why he became a Marine.

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@155: "I'd like to know why people are so determined to use the word "cuck"
despite the obvious fact that the main people using it are racists and
white supremacists."

If a word works, it will stick around, regardless of its source. If you get into etymology, a lot of words have unpleasant backgrounds. Police vans are still called paddy wagons, for example. Nazi and communist terms are still in usage, too.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at May 27, 2016 09:12 PM (rznWS)

221Obama is spending Memorial Day in Japan and Trump is spending it at a rally with some biker dudes. Tells me all I need to know about priorities right there.

Posted by: IC at May 27, 2016 09:09 PM (zK6nG)

Preezy BHO spending Memorial Day weekend in Japan and not at Battleship Row or Arlington National Cemetery just might seem like a "tell" to an observer!

222
OK. You don't like Trump. Lots of people here don't intrinsically like Trump. But our choices are limited. So ... whom ARE you supporting?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2016 09:09 PM (oKE6c)
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I'm probably not going to vote for Pres, unless something miraculous happens with the Libertarians.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 09:12 PM (mFkVC)

223216
Obama is spending Memorial Day in Japan and Trump is spending it at a
rally with some biker dudes. Tells me all I need to know about
priorities right there.

Posted by: IC at May 27, 2016 09:09 PM (zK6nG)

Actually I could be wrong, but I think he is on his way home already..maybe even here already.

231Because he's a MAN, and a real man does not
delight in bullying and mistreating others. A real man recognizes his
duty to protect those weaker that can't fight back. Probably why he
became a Marine.

237I'm probably not going to vote for Pres, unless something miraculous happens with the Libertarians.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 09:12 PM (mFkVC)You realize that you're inflaming the impression of libertarians as pretentious arrested adolescents, right? Grownups recognize that in the real world, one has to make decisions based the situation as it exists, rather than the situation that one would LIKE to exist.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2016 09:16 PM (oKE6c)

238210 America is being raped and folks like you want her to stop sceaming because she might wake up your cat.
Posted by: eman at May 27, 2016 09:03 PM (MQEz6)
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Last night you were talking about how the Constitution shouldn't be revered, tonite you are happy to wave a final good-bye to Conservatism...

What is your definition of "Americanism?"
Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 09:10 PM (mFkVC)

I said it should be respected, but not worshipped.

Yeah, Conservatism is nice on paper, but it is not what is needed now.

To me Americanism means "Fuck that, this is America, and Americans and America come first."

Posted by: eman at May 27, 2016 09:16 PM (MQEz6)

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The whole "cuckservative" thing sounds like an urban legend thing. Granted, I don't hang out with racists since that seems to be where the term originated. I only hear people claiming that they're being called this. And ocassionally some troll shows up here and throws the word out.

Posted by: L, Elle at May 27, 2016 09:16 PM (6IPEM)

240People's Front of Judea vs. Judean People's Front sort of things. And those disputes were vicious.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2016 09:11 PM (oKE6c)

Sure their petty disputes are slap fight worthy but they will unite against the looming fascism of Trump.

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You make some pretty sensational claims there? Who is waving good bye to the Constitution?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2016 09:13 PM (Ozsfq)
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He quite literally said the Constitution should not be revered. Several posters called him on this. It was in one of last night's threads.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 09:17 PM (mFkVC)

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So, I just got an email from Focus on the Family. Apparently a Reuters poll shows that one-fourth of people who identify as evangelical Christians have no desire to vote in this election.

The email went on to point out why Christians should vote, how Christians are to interact with the political realm, the obligation as a citizen for Christians to vote, yada yada. It provided links to candidate websites, and stressed the importance of down-ticket races for governors, senators, congressmen, etc, as well.

I kept looking through the email for instructions as to who I should vote for, but apparently they trust me enough to make up my own mind.

246
Great post, Trump is flawed in many, many ways but he is the only one who can effectively punch back. Will it lead us all to the Promised Land? Probably not, maybe it's just claw marks in the linoleum, but it's definitely going to slow the descent into Progtard Hell.

I use cuckold because that is, precisely what the type of Republicans who help Pelosi are.

Posted by: Sven10077 at May 27, 2016 09:18 PM (ah9SU)

248243 You make some pretty sensational claims there? Who is waving good bye to the Constitution?
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2016 09:13 PM (Ozsfq)
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He quite literally said the Constitution should not be revered. Several posters called him on this. It was in one of last night's threads.
Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 09:17 PM (mFkVC)

Again, I said it should be respected and not worshipped.

Yes, many folks were triggered.

Posted by: eman at May 27, 2016 09:18 PM (MQEz6)

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A lot of people here who claim Trump is "Liberal" seem to have NFI how are to the left the "democratic" party is. It's rather absurd to keep using the term "Liberal" and at least to me disguises their real purpose

But isn't that exactly true? Free speech is **unpopular** speech, not that which everyone agrees is perfectly acceptable. It's the same as when someone like Calypso Louie starts talking. If you actually believe in free speech, then he gets to say his piece.

Posted by: FaCubeItches at May 27, 2016 09:19 PM (rznWS)

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To me Americanism means "Fuck that, this is America, and Americans and America come first."

Posted by: eman at May 27, 2016 09:16 PM (MQEz6)
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I'm not following... without the Constitution and the founding principles of the nation, what do you mean by 'America'?

Age earns the right. You don't have to give a fuck anymore. We have all worked for, "pulled the cart" for our adult life and we are entitled to the right. And respect for our opinions without being called bigots.

I first saw the term here in a panicky post ace wrote about how no one should use it ever again. I gather he (and/or other right-ish bloggers) got it from twitter. Honestly I don't know if the term would have gotten off the ground if not for all the screaming about it back then.

260
Liawatha and Fauxcahontas go speeding over the heads of the LIVs like hundred mile an hour fastballs. Trump has it right with Pocahontas.

Posted by: cm9000 at May 27, 2016 09:22 PM (2TUVm)

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I'm not following... without the Constitution and the founding principles of the nation, what do you mean by 'America'?
Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 09:19 PM (mFkVC)

If your so hung up on the Constitution ( a wonderful document in my opinion) how can you even contemplate doing anything that would give a left wing socialist, which is what the democrats are today, a foot up on the White House...rather hypocritical I'd say. And makes all your other arguments suspect

264254 His Pocahantas joke was worth the price of gold. Since we're all going to hell in a handbasket, why not destroy PC before we go?

If Hillary is elected, the thought police will be out in force, for sure.
Posted by: PJ at May 27, 2016 09:20 PM (cHuNI)

Yup. We're down to it. It's Hillary or Trump. And many in the Right commentariat keep writing as though the most important consideration is that they just *can't* go to the next NorthEast Corridor cocktail party and tell the leftists there that they are voting for Trump. Just can't do it.

Posted by: Splunge at May 27, 2016 09:22 PM (iMxBJ)

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@192: "Dumping a bunch of British merchants tea into Boston Harbor was
politically incorrect asshole behavior in 1773. I don't think Paul Ryan
c. 1773 would have approved."

All conservatives would have disapproved. The disregard that those Sons of Liberty showed for property rights was downright disgraceful! They didn't just sink to the level of the British, they went far beyond it!

Posted by: FaCubeItches at May 27, 2016 09:23 PM (rznWS)

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To me Americanism means "Fuck that, this is America, and Americans and America come first."

Posted by: eman

To me, Americanism also means the Rule of Law, and the Constitution, the Bill of Rights. Honoring the heroes who paid for our freedom and the life of this great nation with their blood and lives.Running up the flag on the 4th of July, with your hand over your heart.

Pissing on people, and telling them "you didn't build that" is just nasty Leftist strutting. We've all had a bellyful of that lately.

272
My whole " burn it down" philosophy comes down to my Trump vote, What comes next is a crap shoot. But I'll take that chance for now, can it get worse than boys in the girls room? You damn Skippy it can.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 27, 2016 09:24 PM (6Ll1u)

273
Double oh God. Megyn is fawning all over this tranny "actress". Fellating it, really. Or maybe she'll get her strapon and peg xer.

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155 The word "n*gger" is obviously simply derived from the romance word "negro." It obviously began as a corruption as a not all that terrible word that simply referred to skin color.

But to claim that one can completely ignore the meanings it has accreted to itself over the years is to be, well, a liar.

I'd like to know why people are so determined to use the word "cuck" despite the obvious fact that the main people using it are racists and white supremacists.

At some point, someone's eagerness to be *confused* with a racist begins to look a bit suspect.

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 08:57 PM (dciA+)

++++

The term is aimed at American globalists who claim to be conservative. True, there are some who use the term in a racist manner. But it is also true that there are also those who want to avoid the criticism by seizing the "racist" shield as a defense. Conservative + Cuckold = Cuckservative, or cuck for short.

cuckold (n.) Look up cuckold at Dictionary.com mid-13c., kukewald, from Old French cucuault, from cocu (see cuckoo) + pejorative suffix -ault, of Germanic origin. So called from the female bird's alleged habit of changing mates, or her authentic habit of leaving eggs in another bird's nest.

In Modern French the identity is more obvious: Coucou for the bird and cocu for the betrayed husband. German Hahnrei (13c.), from Low German, is of obscure origin. The second element seems to be connected to words for "ardent," and suggests perhaps "sexually aggressive hen," with transferal to humans, but Kluge suggests rather a connection to words for "capon" and "castrated." Related: Cuckoldry.

http://tinyurl.com/hjb74ro(Online Etymology Dictionary)

The term cuckold is very much older than the latest category on YouPorn, and it has nothing to do with race. Just because some choose to use a term in a racial manner, doesn't mean that it is the only "legitimate" use.

N*gger has been used pretty much exclusively as a racial slur for a very long time. The same simply can't be said about cuckold. The original meaning is still in play.

276
Several Trump 2016 yard signs in my neighborhood. I have seen only 1 Hillary! sign.
There is a Bernie sign in the next borough over. Let's just say the house could use a coat of paint and a brush hog to mow the lawn.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 27, 2016 09:25 PM (89T5c)

277
A man who wouldn't give positive assent to the fact that huge numbers of people were being deprived of the rights outlined in the founding documents. And when the South, who would not brook even verbal criticism of their 'peculiar institution' decided to destroy the nation, he fought. And he eventually used the fight to extend the rights on which the nation was based to the former slaves.

Pretty much how I feel and the more idiotic protests against trump's right to speak and the more mexican flags and the more the FAB talks and by talking I mean lying, the more confident I am that Trump is going to win and win rather big also

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2016 09:26 PM (Ozsfq)

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I didn't think I could despise Obama more after his Hiroshima visit and so-called non-apology, than watching him trying to conceal the fact that he was CHEWING GUM at the presser afterward.

Not an ounce of class. Not an ounce of knowledge of this nation's history.

A shallow, arrogant, wisp of a non-man. The WH door can't hit him in the ass fast enough. And his angry wife's, too.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 27, 2016 09:26 PM (1ZOkK)

281
I love you unto death, Ace, as the old folks used to say. Every red-blooded, freedom loving soul on this earth identifies with what you are saying: "People are fucking tired of walking around on eggshells and being made to apologize for every fucking goddamn thing in the world." Amen.

Posted by: Mary at May 27, 2016 09:27 PM (2ly7u)

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>>>The whole "cuckservative" thing sounds like an urban legend thing. Granted, I don't hang out with racists since that seems to be where the term originated. I only hear people claiming that they're being called this. And ocassionally some troll shows up here and throws the word out.

no i've seen horrible gifs thrown at actor Nick Searcy because he has black kids. (I'm not sure if his wife is black or the kids are adopted.)

It's not an urban legend.

Neither is it an urban legend that this crew routinely calls Ben Shapiro a "kike" and tweets anti-semitic caricatures at him, and suggests his kids would do well in ovens.

I've seen it. I had to delete some of my tweet to Ben Shapiro because they were accumulating that kind of garbage in response.

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 09:27 PM (dciA+)

283251 I'm not following... without the Constitution and the founding principles of the nation, what do you mean by 'America'?
Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 09:19 PM (mFkVC)

The American spirit, which gave rise to those documents. Not too visible in the media these days, but very visible among Americans, even plenty in crazy California. An American, confronted with what the Democratic Party is these days, will naturally say "F*ck that, I'm going to live free." Trump, with all his many warts, has that American attitude in his bones.

It's not philosophical conservatism. But he just might be the warrior with the skills to fight the battle that needs to be fought at the moment, so that there can be such a thing as philosophical conservatism in the future, rather than the long descent into a Venezuela-like abyss.

Posted by: Splunge at May 27, 2016 09:27 PM (iMxBJ)

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Ace, I do have to object to one thing that you said. You seem to imply that a person like Paul Ryan, because he hangs out with the beltway crowd, would eventually re-sort into the "liberal" camp due to his social affiliations, is that not right? Then I have to wonder, are you basically conceding the alt-right premise that the main thing that holds a movement together is not ideology or philosophy, but tribalism?

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 09:27 PM (uAvJJ)

285A man who wouldn't give positive assent to the fact
that huge numbers of people were being deprived of the rights outlined
in the founding documents. And when the South, who would not brook even
verbal criticism of their 'peculiar institution' decided to destroy the
nation, he fought. And he eventually used the fight to extend the
rights on which the nation was based to the former slaves.

Pretty much that.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 09:25 PM (mFkVC)And ... a man who suspended freedom of the press, and the writ of habeas corpus, in the process of doing that.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2016 09:28 PM (oKE6c)

286
Jane-
He's a dime a dozen on the left. Ignoramuses, fools, and cretins.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at May 27, 2016 09:28 PM (89T5c)

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Jane - He was actually chewing gum? I'da smacked him good if he were my kid. You don't speak to people with gum in your mouth.

What the heck is he doing in Japan on Memorial Day anyway? Mourning their dead from WW2?

290
If your so hung up on the Constitution ( a wonderful document in my opinion) how can you even contemplate doing anything that would give a left wing socialist, which is what the democrats are today, a foot up on the White House...rather hypocritical I'd say. And makes all your other arguments suspect
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2016 09:22 PM (Ozsfq)
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Both are horrible for the Constitution. I'm not sure why voting for one kind of horrible over another would validate my opinions.

Anyway, I'm told not voting Trump is voting Hil. So then not voting Hil is voting Trump. And those votes cancel each other out! Great!

Oh, post 277 was a response to Jay.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 09:29 PM (mFkVC)

291
>>.
Ace -- are you ready to say the same about his treatment of Michelle Fields? You should be.

Ben Shapiro is right; some of you guys are just Hero Worshippers at heart who will endorse ANYTHING Trump does because to have a yes to this, no to that sort of take would cause you too much cognitive dissonance.

294It's not philosophical conservatism. But he just
might be the warrior with the skills to fight the battle that needs to
be fought at the moment, so that there can be such a thing as
philosophical conservatism in the future, rather than the long descent
into a Venezuela-like abyss.

Posted by: Splunge at May 27, 2016 09:27 PM (iMxBJ)An unpleasant fact for this of us here: down the line philosophical conservatism is an electoral loser in 2016. The only way to win - over the demonizing efforts of the MSM - is to appeal to some proportion of independents, which necessarily entails burning some conservatives.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2016 09:30 PM (oKE6c)

295
Yeah I don't even know what it means to say you're "pro-American" anymore. Bernie Sanders thinks single-payer health care is "pro-American". Is he wrong? If so, why? And no fair referring to conservative principles, because you said "pro-American", not pro-conservatism.

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What good is it to win on a platform that is profoundly unconservative?

yeah much better to lose to a socialistic anti-semitic platform

Bravo

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2016 09:32 PM (Ozsfq)

307
For all his downplay of American exceptionalism , he probes New heights of limp wristed pantywaistedness. He is without peer, in this.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at May 27, 2016 09:32 PM (z4k8L)

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And ... a man who suspended freedom of the press, and the writ of habeas corpus, in the process of doing that.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2016 09:28 PM (oKE6c)
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Yes, which was regrettable, but he did it in the cause of extending the protections of the Bill of Rights. That happens during times of war.

If you are arguing that this moment in American history is comparable to 1860, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree.

311From many years in Berkeley I saw bitter factional disputes between groups whose doctrinal differences were minuscule to non cognoscenti.

But, unfortunately, I think Ace is right here.

The fights and arguments now between today's version of stalinists and trotskyites is just tribal signaling and liberal one-upmanship. Leftist voters know their only real worth in the system is in continuing the long march through whatever means. They'll pull the lever for whoever is on the top of the left's ticket.

The person at the top of the ticket is just an empty vessel to fill with the progressive's narrative anyway. That's why they're so quick to dismiss every horrid thing Hillary does. The reality of what Hillary is obscures the important thing, which is her/their "struggle".

Posted by: bananaDream at May 27, 2016 09:33 PM (Ag8Mw)

312What good is it to win on a platform that is profoundly unconservative?

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 09:31 PM (uAvJJ)What good is it to lose on a platform that is profoundly conservative?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2016 09:33 PM (oKE6c)

313
No -- not everything he does is magic. He was right about Fields, though. He looked at the video as did we all. I am still surprised you won't admit you were wrong. Though almost everything you write is magic, not all is, I guess.

317
Ben Shapiro is right; some of you guys are just Hero Worshippers at
heart who will endorse ANYTHING Trump does because to have a yes to
this, no to that sort of take would cause you too much cognitive
dissonance.---Or we watched the presser given by the cops who investigated the matter and found Fields to have been exclusively in the wrong.

318
>>>Ace, I do have to object to one thing that you said. You seem to imply that a person like Paul Ryan, because he hangs out with the beltway crowd, would eventually re-sort into the "liberal" camp due to his social affiliations, is that not right? Then I have to wonder, are you basically conceding the alt-right premise that the main thing that holds a movement together is not ideology or philosophy, but tribalism?

i have long maintained that conservatives are delusional to claim there is no such thing as a general class interest or that different classes tend to have (in general) their own class mores.

The idea that every man makes up his own mind *free of external inputs* is silly.

90% of religious people are the children of religious parents and 90% of irreligious people are the children of religious parents. 90% of pro-life people are from pro-life areas and 90% of pro-choice people are from pro-choice areas.

This isn't an "alt-right" idea. It's just an acknowledgement of a reality that many have realized. Marx did, obviously. (And I've been saying for years: Conservatives are silly to constantly deny the basic idea that yes, classes are indeed in conflict in society and politics consist largely of favoring one class over another.)

To brand this as some sort of peculiarly "alt-right" dogma is... a stretch, or else you just don't know very much about political history and theory before 2012.

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 09:34 PM (dciA+)

319
And that goes for almost all Military installations I have been on.
Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2016 09:03 PM (Ozsfq)

Yup...in 1941 Ernest Tubb had his hit song "Little Filipino Baby" about US Navy sailors screwing and marrying the lovely girls in the P.I.

Nothing new under the sun as they say....

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at May 27, 2016 09:34 PM (ej1L0)

320295 Yeah I don't even know what it means to say you're "pro-American" anymore. Bernie Sanders thinks single-payer health care is "pro-American". Is he wrong? If so, why? And no fair referring to conservative principles, because you said "pro-American", not pro-conservatism.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 09:30 PM (uAvJJ)

Yes, he's wrong. You can sort that out with pure pragmatism. Socialism sucks. History tells us that. To be "pro-American" is, in part, to oppose Socialism for a country you like.

Neither one does a whole lot of good in advancing the goals of conservatism, IMO.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 09:34 PM (uAvJJ)

322Yes, which was regrettable, but he did it in the
cause of extending the protections of the Bill of Rights. That happens
during times of war.

If you are arguing that this moment in American history is comparable to 1860, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 09:32 PM (mFkVC)This moment in American history is a cold war.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2016 09:34 PM (oKE6c)

323
304 My take: Trump is like Patton. Flawed, outspoken, flakey, half-whacked, maybe half-crazy, but then again ... maybe the man for the times and the situation.
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2016 09:32 PM (oKE6c)
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But Patton would have made an awful President.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 09:35 PM (mFkVC)

324
299:Jane, if he is golfing, he's not shitting on our heroes. Also he can't fuck up too much while he is four putting. Wish he would spend the rest of his term on the links.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 27, 2016 09:35 PM (ucDmr)

325Neither one does a whole lot of good in advancing the goals of conservatism, IMO.

333316 Oh good. I thought we were just going to fight about Trump. But wait! There's more! We're going to fight about the Civil War too.

Posted by: grammie winger at May 27, 2016 09:34 PM (dFi94)

When is Trump going to release the Civil War essay he wrote in the 5th Grade?

Posted by: eman at May 27, 2016 09:36 PM (MQEz6)

334
The other thing about gamergate that the leftists did not understand and were not ready for: these are people who brutally fight and compete against anyone with glee. When they were attacked, the gamers put the controller, rubbed their hands together with a grin, and said "Challenge accepted"

338
The whole "cuckservative" thing sounds like an urban legend thing. Granted, I don't hang out with racists since that seems to be where the term originated. I only hear people claiming that they're being called this. And ocassionally some troll shows up here and throws the word out.

Posted by: L, Elle
****

I can also say it's not a myth. I was on Twitter and there was a coordinated attack from the white supremacist left not long ago.
Cuckservative was one of their favorite slurs.

340
The word "n*gger" is obviously simply derived from the romance word "negro." It obviously began as a corruption as a not all that terrible word that simply referred to skin color.

But to claim that one can completely ignore the meanings it has accreted to itself over the years is to be, well, a liar.

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They don't like it. So what? I don't like a lot of things that get shoved down my throat. And they can use the word but I can't so I guess they have more first amendment rights than me. What words can I use that they can't?

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 27, 2016 09:38 PM (Nwg0u)

341
There is a difference between being politically incorrect ton principle and being a needlessly vulgar morally degenerate barbarian in order to garner cheap applause. . Minnesota voters tried the later with Jesse Ventura. It didn't work well.

People who know me, know that since I was a child I haven;te cared one bit for what people thought of me. For that reason I will always refuse to vote for a faux populist demagogues like Donald Trump.

I've had two 10-treatment courses of ECT. Nothing bad happened at all. I'm also a doc and a teeny bit knowledgeable about it. I think the treatment has come a long way and is now pretty safe and effective.

Much better to retain doctrinal purity than to get some of your agenda accomplished. If you can't get everything, get nothing. Everyone knows that. That's why they call politics the art of "getting absolutely everything you want, or fuck it, get nothing."

Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2016 09:38 PM (oKE6c)

344
Oh good. I thought we were just going to fight about Trump. But wait!
There's more! We're going to fight about the Civil War too.---No spoilers, please. I haven't seen it yet.

That must have been Sully again. Wing fell off and he had to fly underneath a bridge to avoiding hitting anyone?

Posted by: t-bird at May 27, 2016 09:39 PM (ZxmMG)

346
Much better to retain doctrinal purity than to get some of your agenda accomplished. If you can't get everything, get nothing. Everyone knows that. That's why they call politics the art of "getting absolutely everything you want, or fuck it, get nothing."
Posted by: Jay Guevara at May 27, 2016 09:38 PM (oKE6c)

Yup...retaining doctrinal purity is the rage on college campuses now a days

Its real but... I don't think many of the people using it were honestly Trump fans so much as idiots who hated every other candidate. And at least some were "mobys" (never liked that term, pretty much nobody even remembers what that was about; the more general term "mole" used in espionage is much more useful in my opinion).

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>>>They don't like it. So what? I don't like a lot of things that get shoved down my throat. And they can use the word but I can't so I guess they have more first amendment rights than me. What words can I use that they can't?

it's always a sad thing when people just can't contain it any longer and straight-up say "I'm really pissed i can't say N*gger any more."

356
Well at least the Trump cultists are starting to use the word "Americanism". I guess after Levin mocking Wiener Nation with it, now they are going to try to co-opt it. Funny watching the cultists mock people for "worshipping" the constitution because their meatball recipe guy does too.

I wish Ted Cruz would have walked over to Trump and punched him in his c**ksucker at one of the debates after talking shit about his wife. Even though he is a good christian man, sometimes you've got to maintain some semblance of dignity.

Its real but... I don't think many of the people using it were honestly Trump fans so much as idiots who hated every other candidate. And at least some were "mobys" (never liked that term, pretty much nobody even remembers what that was about; the more general term "mole" used in espionage is much more useful in my opinion).
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2016 09:41 PM (39g3+)

They are lunatic bigots.... they were lunatic bigots 50 years ago, they are lunatic bigots today and they will be lunatic bigots 50 years from now...Don't fall into the left wing trap of making up new words to justify they left wing agenda...That is all this is about...like that absurd term alt right that some people throw around.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2016 09:43 PM (Ozsfq)

360
yes that's exactly what they said. She was wrong to have been grabbed by
a dude, who then lied about it for a week and called her delusional.
That was precisely what the police found.---They said the Jeb had better cause for action based on how Trump manhandled him in the previous debate. They said Fields had been repeatedly warned not to approach the candidate. They said Lewindowsky had been authorized to act in the protection of the candidate like any other part of the detail.

My impression of their comments was that they wondered why their time was wasted on the matter, but no, they didn't specifically say that.

Okay. Stop it. After six years living in Chicagoland, having our accents mocked and called "cute" names at cocktail parties and school events, we moved back south to escape that crap, and now I'm surrounded, literally, by Northern transplants/retirees who do the same.

I've had more than enough. If Momma hadn't taught me better, I'd throw out a few zingers to the nitwits who so enjoy living here, but can't bear the natives.

364
One of the ways I judge whether it's time to resign from a job is to ask myself: "how much of my time and energy is spent shooting down bad ideas, and making sure we don't actually implement them." If it's a large percentage, I know I'm working for a messed-up organization, and I start arranging to move on.

America has reached that point, where the most important thing is to shoot down what seems to be an unending parade of bad ideas that people want to turn into laws. You don't need a PhD to spot them. You just need someone who can succeed at shooting them down.

Its real but... I don't think many of the people using it were honestly Trump fans so much as idiots who hated every other candidate. And at least some were "mobys" (never liked that term, pretty much nobody even remembers what that was about; the more general term "mole" used in espionage is much more useful in my opinion).
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2016 09:41 PM (39g3+)

The first time I heard it used (other than when ace accidentally used it on twitter) was by Milo Yianwhateveropolis, who also calls himself "alt-right."

I never saw any racial connotation attached in his usage or really any other usage (on reddit, for example).

I suspect -- though can't prove -- that a very small group of malcontents on twitter control a lot of narrative when it comes to things like this. I suspect -- though can't prove -- that they are moby's, or at the very least, knowingly and purposefully (maybe "for the lolz") trying to make "conservatives" and "alt-right" types look bad.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at May 27, 2016 09:45 PM (AkOaV)

366
If you are arguing that this moment in American history is comparable to 1860, I think we're going to have to agree to disagree.

hence our choices are Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump. A vote for either is the solution to exactly none of our problems.

Posted by: Sam in VA at May 27, 2016 09:45 PM (9stgl)

368
I hope they can recover the plane. The guy is fine, but there are very few of those left.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2016 09:41 PM (39g3+)

It is attached to a rescue boat..now they have to retrieve it and see what if any they can salvage...but yeah a shame to lose a plane like that

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2016 09:45 PM (Ozsfq)

369
Every commercial break now seems to have a Bernie or Hillary ad. Help me, please, help me. Before I shoot a bitch.

Posted by: Tinfoilbaby at May 27, 2016 09:45 PM (6Ll1u)

370
Oh good. I thought we were just going to fight about Trump. But wait!

There's more! We're going to fight about the Civil War too.---No spoilers, please. I haven't seen it yet.

Posted by: Methos,)))

Of course you haven't seen it they are releasing in November.

Posted by: Willy J. at May 27, 2016 09:45 PM (LncQn)

371
or shorter,"we use the tool we have, even if it's looks like a cast iron frying pan with little beauty "
trump is the tool, we hold the tool and hope it's wielded with just enough accuracy at the grotesque leaders that lead us all into the abyss.

Posted by: willow at May 27, 2016 09:46 PM (vP09u)

372Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 09:34 PM (dciA+)Oh I know that the alt-right tribalism hypothesis is not original. They are simply the loudest ones adopting this Marxist view within what they claim is conservative thought.I guess my point is, and this is after too many beers on a Friday night after you spring this thoughtful rant on us, Ace!, is that if you start to divide up the polis into tribes based on whatever cultural affiliations that they have, then where does that leave universal ideas about rights and liberty and equality before the law? If Tribe A believes in universal liberty, but Tribe B believes in liberty only for Tribe B but enslavement for Tribe A, then Tribe A is at a distinct disadvantage. Characterizing everything in terms of tribes or interest groups necessitates tossing away these universal ideas.

374
361: That's why when we visit wifes brother in Beaufort, all his neighbors greet us with "You damn yankees aint moving here are ya?"

Posted by: chavez the hugo at May 27, 2016 09:46 PM (ucDmr)

375356 Well at least the Trump cultists are starting to use the word "Americanism". I guess after Levin mocking Wiener Nation with it, now they are going to try to co-opt it. Funny watching the cultists mock people for "worshipping" the constitution because their meatball recipe guy does too.

I wish Ted Cruz would have walked over to Trump and punched him in his c**ksucker at one of the debates after talking shit about his wife. Even though he is a good christian man, sometimes you've got to maintain some semblance of dignity.
Posted by: JROD at May 27, 2016 09:43 PM (wnwJC)

Cultist.

Heh.

Posted by: eman at May 27, 2016 09:46 PM (MQEz6)

376
Neither is it an urban legend that this crew routinely calls Ben Shapiro a "kike" and tweets anti-semitic caricatures at him, and suggests his kids would do well in ovens.

I've seen it. I had to delete some of my tweet to Ben Shapiro because they were accumulating that kind of garbage in response.

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 09:27 PM (dciA+)

Ace, the racists are parasites, like the remoras that glom onto sharks. And many of the anonymous ones on the Internet may in fact be Mobies, like the infamous Kilgore Trout of Little Green Turdlets notoriety.

378
342: Thanks. With this ordeal, some of my friends have told of similar situations in their own family where ECT was used, and actually seemed to help. One was about a man who was suicidal, ran away, and was going to try to kill himself. They found him in time. He was in his 60s, I think.

It's just that ECT has such awful connotations, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest and all that. It seems to be blunt instrument.

But I'm reading about it. I hope I don't have to make that decision, but I'm preparing for it.

379
I have to admit I used "cucks" ironically a bunch of times two weeks ago.

I was talking with someone from National Review and he made a good point (like one I agreed with, I mean) and I said, "Hey, that's a really good point. Why don't you get one your cucks at NRO to write that up?"

it was pretty fucking funny

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 09:47 PM (dciA+)

380
I wish Ted Cruz would have walked over to Trump and
punched him in his c**ksucker at one of the debates after talking shit
about his wife. Even though he is a good christian man, sometimes you've
got to maintain some semblance of dignity.

Scott Adam's, in the early days of his Trump Persuasion blog, asserted that immunity from embarrassment was a super power - one that any person can attain and Trump has in spades. I think it explains a lot about how Trump was able to so easily befuddle his rivals, the party, and the "conservative movement" on his way to the nomination.

Posted by: ZonToro at May 27, 2016 09:49 PM (82s/V)

388
It is very liberating to stretch out you arms, take a deep breath and yell out "I give zero fucks about what you are trying to force on me!" Not only that but I will yell it from the rooftops every time that you try this shit. Age does have it's advantages.

Posted by: Cheri at May 27, 2016 09:49 PM (TmVQX)

389
Just a reminder that Trump is a creature of the media. Today, flipping radio channels while driving, I heard two accounts of private discussions between local radio talk show hosts and Trump. Requested by Trump.

Almost 400 comments and no "Ace movie review" joke???? It's like I don't know you fuckers anymore.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 27, 2016 09:49 PM (LuZz8)

391
>>>I guess my point is, and this is after too many beers on a Friday night after you spring this thoughtful rant on us, Ace!, is that if you start to divide up the polis into tribes based on whatever cultural affiliations that they have, then where does that leave universal ideas about rights and liberty and equality before the law? If Tribe A believes in universal liberty, but Tribe B believes in liberty only for Tribe B but enslavement for Tribe A, then Tribe A is at a distinct disadvantage. Characterizing everything in terms of tribes or interest groups necessitates tossing away these universal ideas.

well the thing is we have a Constitution that answers these foundational questions dispositively -- that we are a nation of INDIVIDUAL rights and justice, not "social justice" and group rights and privileges -- but the Cocksucker of the United States is kind of ignoring that and the Millenial retards seem to agree it should be ignored.

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 09:50 PM (dciA+)

392
The first time I heard it used (other than when ace
accidentally used it on twitter) was by Milo Yianwhateveropolis, who
also calls himself "alt-right."

...
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at May 27, 2016 09:45 PM (AkOaV)

Ahhh, now I know what "alt-right" means.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at May 27, 2016 09:50 PM (iYTlX)

393
239 The whole "cuckservative" thing sounds like an urban legend thing. Granted, I don't hang out with racists since that seems to be where the term originated. I only hear people claiming that they're being called this. And ocassionally some troll shows up here and throws the word out.

Posted by: L, Elle at May 27, 2016 09:16 PM (6IPEM)

++++

Ace and some of the cobs have stated numerous times that in their view, the word is racist. Most of the people who have seen that are not going to try to use the term when ace has made his feelings clear. His blog, his rules.

The term is popular on the alt-right. One of the more prominent figures on the alt-right, Vox Day, has even co-authored a book using the term for his title.

- It seems like the congressional libs, *and* a lot of the GOPe types, have families where not only did *they* go to some ivy-covered college, but their parents/grandparents/etc etc etc all the way back to 1837 or something.

- Whereas the freshest, boldest conservatives (think Tom Cotton)? They're oftentimes the *very first* members of their entire family, ever to have even set foot on a college campus anywhere.

Now everybody, tell me how I'm wrong... :-)

Posted by: qdpsteve at May 27, 2016 09:51 PM (ntObR)

402
It's just that ECT has such awful connotations, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest and all that. It seems to be blunt instrument.

But I'm reading about it. I hope I don't have to make that decision, but I'm preparing for it.

I've known woman who've had ECT treatments. The biggest side effect I've seen is some memory loss of events surrounding the treatment, and some general fogginess for a few hours after. Of the three women I've known, none said that they would have a problem doing it again. And it did seem to help in each situation.

I'm not following... without the Constitution and the founding principles of the nation, what do you mean by 'America'?
Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 09:19 PM (mFkVC)

The Constitution is not America. The founding principles are found in the Declaration. The Constitution is just an attempt to make and maintain a Republic.

It has failed to maintain the Republic. It has things in it that undermine our individual and collective freedom.

It needs to be fixed.

So, yeah, I respect it, but I do not worship it.

Posted by: eman at May 27, 2016 09:23 PM (MQEz6)

In large part, the flaws in the Constitution are things like saying "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." There needs to be an "or what?"

If the Second Amendment continued to say, "Any part of the government that attempts to infringe such rights shall be deemed Outlaw, to be summarily neutralized by The People by any means The People shall choose." -- I'd guess there'd be a whole lot fewer attempts at gun-grabbing.

But it doesn't -- and there really are no adverse consequences to any official attempt at congressional encroachment.

407
all the talk about trump being only slightly better than hillary is bs.
his position with regard to foreign engagements is not new, it is close to
the realist school of thought . he hired Laffer, Moore and Kudlow as
advisors, and in case they
sound familiar they should be, they are supply siders from the Reagan
era (of course Laffer is in every finance and econ textbook out there,
but we all knew that); he is not just talk, he is taking steps to shape
his future agenda and hiring the right people to do that. so, the panic
about how trump will get us
into horrible euro styl socialism is really coming from those in a very
rarefied group
who spent their formative years in an ivory tower somewhere being
brainwashed into looking down on people like trump. in my opinion,
Reagan
is trump's true north (not Berlousconi) and that is where he is heading

Posted by: runner at May 27, 2016 09:53 PM (c6/9Q)

408
i probably should not have written that.
it's broad brush sweep and rather grotesque. apologies.

Posted by: willow at May 27, 2016 09:53 PM (vP09u)

409it's always a sad thing when people just can't contain it any longer and straight-up say "I'm really pissed i can't say N*gger any more."

I agree, its pretty lousy to say or feel that kind of thing. Still, I agree in principle that freedom of speech has to include the ability to say and use terrible things... and to have pressure in society and refusal to allow some things in private settings.

The best way to handle this is to be like I was, born with parents who thought language like that was wrong and bad and all people treated as just folks. It never occurred to me to use language like that, because I grew up with black friends and mexican friends and filipino friends and so on. They were just my friends.

I just don't want the government banning words - or effectively banning words with "civil rights tribunals" and "hate crime" legislation - no mater how awful or hateful they are.

I wish people didn't think they were in a David Mamet play and shower the public air with profanity walking down the street. I wish we lived in a culture where people were more circumspect and restrained in their internet comments. But I don't want any laws forcing people to be.

well ben shapiro's like that. which is why i respect him. I could not do what he does, going into hostile territory and giving a speech and being unbowed.

Of course, i have social panic and anxiety. But still.

it is a mesmerizing quality, that fearlessness.

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 09:54 PM (dciA+)

414Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 09:50 PM (dciA+)Only if the Constitution is interpreted based on Tribe A's frame of reference.As the resignation of the professor from DePaul University showed, what they regard as "Free speech" is very different from what we regard as "free speech". So it still comes down to a contest of tribes. And the tribe that argues for equality for all is going to be always at a disadvantage to the tribe that advocates for privileges only for them. That's the problem I have with buying into the tribalism hypothesis.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 09:54 PM (uAvJJ)

415
Nailed it, Ace. Everything in Leftist politics is high school writ large, with themselves cast as the cool kids (which they never were or have been, so they have to use fraud and force to try to obtain that spot).

The current crop of Republican "leadership" are the people who go along to get along, hangers-on who want to be thought of as reasonably cool by the cool kids.

But if you're not part of that clique and don't want to be part of that clique, and go along with all of the things they would make you do to be acceptable to them, what do you have left?

The answer is, quite a bit. I've been a turbogeek my whole life. I wasn't one of the cool kids in school. I never gave a fuck, because I had equally dorky friends who were building computers, writing programs, or simply burning up my phone to play Duke Nukem or Red Alert while they were pretending to like stupid things they all actually hated in the name of being cool.

Once you stop caring what these kind of assholes think, you get a lot more enjoyment out of life. Be a rebel. Even if you're a huge dork like me.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at May 27, 2016 09:54 PM (HalrA)

416
I could be wrong, but I think Kitty Dukakis actually once tried to kill herself by taking a swig of rubbing alcohol right out of the jug.

I suspect if he had ever tried that, some Vet would have helped him get his mind right

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2016 09:55 PM (Ozsfq)

419
@380 Burnt Toast-Damn I forgot about that too. It probably would have gone a long way if an open mic would have caught Cruz calling Trump a feeble minded jerkoff or doddering old fool. Wouldn't have hurt him to sound like he could be a snarky prick. It can be attractive.

420
i think the whole point of free speech is one can say even the most despicable things and not go to jail for it.
i think just shaming them , embarrassing them is good enough

Posted by: willow at May 27, 2016 09:55 PM (vP09u)

421
this has been my issue with some of the libertarian movement. i saw them demonstrating often and fervently with the left during Bush and bashing jews/siding with the death cult of islam.

i know liberatrians are Not all on that page but it really bugged me for years.

Posted by: willow
****

Having met more than a few libertarians I quickly learned they were not with Conservatives. Whoever would let them engage in their (usually illegal) vises without shame or legal repercussions would be who they supported.
Principles? they had none really.

422They don't like it. So what? I don't like a lot of things that get shoved down my throat. And they can use the word but I can't so I guess they have more first amendment rights than me. What words can I use that they can't?

They?

Why on earth would you want to use the word n*gger?

Is there some paucity in your vocabulary that would be filled by permission to use a hateful word?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at May 27, 2016 09:56 PM (1xUj/)

423
You can't threaten to reduce someone's social status if you've already degraded him in social status.

and once you've already called me a Racist Miscogynist, just for being a white male...

Why should I care if you call me a Racist Miscogynist?

Posted by: Don Q. at May 27, 2016 09:56 PM (qf6WZ)

424420 i think the whole point of free speech is one can say even the most despicable things and not go to jail for it.
i think just shaming them , embarrassing them is good enough
Posted by: willow at May 27, 2016 09:55 PM (vP09u)

Unless you PUT it in a VIDEO.

Posted by: Hillary! at May 27, 2016 09:56 PM (iMxBJ)

425418
After today, I am firmly convinced if Barry ever visited the Arizona Memorial, he'd have p!ssed over the side!

I suspect if he had ever tried that, some Vet would have helped him get his mind right

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 27, 2016 09:55 PM (Ozsfq)

We visited the Arizona memorial years ago. The grinning, laughing Japanese tourists made it unbearable. And I'm not exaggerating one bit.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 27, 2016 09:56 PM (1ZOkK)

426
>>>I agree, its pretty lousy to say or feel that kind of thing. Still, I agree in principle that freedom of speech has to include the ability to say and use terrible things... and to have pressure in society and refusal to allow some things in private settings.

you have the RIGHT to say racist things of course but a stupid form of argumentation is to accept the left's premise that "hate speech" is NOT a form of free speech, and then say "because I have the right to say this, that is, because it is FREE SPEECH, it is therefore NOT hate speech."

No. Wrong. Leftist thinking, just in reverse.

People have the right to use racist speech. That does not mean it is not racist.

Nor does it mean to casually just talk about "They" -- as in "They don't like it? So what?" -- as if we obviously should not care about "They" because they are slightly different than we are is not a racist mode of thought.

430
And the tribe that argues for equality for all is
going to be always at a disadvantage to the tribe that advocates for
privileges only for them. That's the problem I have with buying into the
tribalism hypothesis.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 09:54 PM (uAvJJ)

The wise old Indian in me has this to say on the subject.

The tribe that argues for equality needs to carry a big stick. The tribe that argues for special privileges needs bruises.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at May 27, 2016 09:57 PM (HalrA)

In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.
~Theodore Dalrymple

The brouhaha about transgenders and bathrooms is not about either transgenders or bathrooms. It's about forcing us all to agree that 2+2=5, and punishing dissenters.

And the commies are just getting warmed up. This is only the beginning.

434
And the tribe that argues for equality for all is going to be always at a
disadvantage to the tribe that advocates for privileges only for them.
That's the problem I have with buying into the tribalism hypothesis.---But it's not in the realm of theory. The ideas the Constitution were based on are totally unworkable when half or more of your population doesn't believe them, or worse, sees them as an advantage to take against those that do.

441One in Fresno, one in San Diego. He's still lining up media support.

Well, as I understand it, Trump has figured out that if you're really accessible and friendly to the press, always ready to talk? You appeal not only to their vanity, but their professional sense of achievement. So they like that and he gets tons of free press as a result. Its an end run around the usual media blockade on Republicans.

445
>>>What words can I use that others can't and if there are none, how are my rights equal?

i know jews can use jewish slurs (in play) which I wouldn't use (well, I would and I do, but only because I consider myself an honorary Jew), and I could call any white person here "Whitey" without there being too much fuss.

it's not the specific word, is that you desire to use a particular word that degrades someone racially.

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 10:01 PM (dciA+)

446
For some reason I think Vera Coking would disagree.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 09:57 PM (uAvJJ)

****

Good fucking God, find some new material. This line has been played out.

447
Well, as I understand it, Trump has figured out that if you're really accessible and friendly to the press, always ready to talk? You appeal not only to their vanity, but their professional sense of achievement. So they like that and he gets tons of free press as a result. Its an end run around the usual media blockade on Republicans.

How long that will work is uncertain, but its working so far.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2016 10:00 PM (39g3+)
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I just thought you got way too close to a line that would, in some of the many moods of Ace, get you such.

Also, I was riffing on the last Thread.

Posted by: garrett at May 27, 2016 10:01 PM (NvC7m)

450
well the thing is we have a Constitution that answers these foundational questions dispositively -- that we are a nation of INDIVIDUAL rights and justice, not "social justice" and group rights and privileges -- but the Cocksucker of the United States is kind of ignoring that and the Millenial retards seem to agree it should be ignored.

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 09:50 PM (dciA+)

Oh please. This started 100 + years ago in the first Progressive Era.

Well, shit, the government began ignoring the Constitution within a few years of it being in existence (alien and sedition acts, for example) but people used to pretend to give a shit.

But we can't pretend Obama's behavior is unprecedented or is not... a continuum of behavior that goes back to before any of our lifetimes.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at May 27, 2016 10:01 PM (AkOaV)

451We visited the Arizona memorial years ago. The grinning, laughing Japanese tourists made it unbearable. And I'm not exaggerating one bit.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 27, 2016 09:56 PM (1ZOkK)

When I had the honor to visit the Arizona Memorial, I was so in awe of the history I was surrounded with I didn't notice the Jap tourists, but I have heard that it has bothered many who went!

456
To put it another way, nothing is more mundane and obvious than the notion that men should use the men's room and women should use the women's room. There was never the slightest hint of controversy about this before.

The Left is saying, "No, it's not going to be that way anymore, because WE SAY SO."

No you're right, I should be totally and fucking thrilled that BOTH major party candidates are part of the rich and powerful and connected club so much that they can bend government to serve their will in screwing the "little guy". Yeah, that is totes awesome. GO TRUMP, HE TRIED TO SCREW OVER GRANDMA

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 10:03 PM (uAvJJ)

463448 Barry does the squat thing, its exotic and non-American, which makes it better.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2016 10:01 PM (39g3+)

Obama. President. Pothead. Sitzpinkler.

Posted by: Splunge at May 27, 2016 10:03 PM (iMxBJ)

464447 Well, as I understand it, Trump has figured out that if you're really accessible and friendly to the press, always ready to talk? You appeal not only to their vanity, but their professional sense of achievement. So they like that and he gets tons of free press as a result. Its an end run around the usual media blockade on Republicans.

How long that will work is uncertain, but its working so far.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 27, 2016 10:00 PM (39g3+)
------------------

This only works if you are already a celebrity.
Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 10:01 PM (mFkVC)

Oh, really?

So, if Ted Cruz had made himself availble to the media just as Trump had done, he would have been ignored?

Trump made the media work for him, for free. The other guys were too busy consulting with their consultants.

Posted by: eman at May 27, 2016 10:03 PM (MQEz6)

465
379 I have to admit I used "cucks" ironically a bunch of times two weeks ago.

I was talking with someone from National Review and he made a good point (like one I agreed with, I mean) and I said, "Hey, that's a really good point. Why don't you get one your cucks at NRO to write that up?"

it was pretty fucking funny

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 09:47 PM (dciA+)

The time that word popped up to was right around the time that article about the guy getting cucked by his wife was floating around. Michael Samsone or something like that, where he was all it's cool my wife fucks other guys as long as she calls me or something.

I thought it was pretty fucking funny and used the phrase a few times because I thought it was referring to that dude. It's definitely caught on with the alt right thing though.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at May 27, 2016 10:04 PM (4ErVI)

466
Nor does it mean to casually just talk about "They" -- as in "They don't like it? So what?" -- as if we obviously should not care about "They" because they are slightly different than we are is not a racist mode of thought.

-
If "they" have to like it before I say it (whatever "it" is, maybe such a radical thought all lives matter), there is no freedom of expression.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 27, 2016 10:04 PM (Nwg0u)

467An Old Japanese Man walked up to us, and asked "where is the Arizona?"...

My roommate said 'Right in the Fucking Harbor, where you left it...'....

I still laugh every time I think about it...

Posted by: Don Q. at May 27, 2016 10:02 PM (qf6WZ)

lol

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 27, 2016 10:05 PM (1ZOkK)

468And the commies are just getting warmed up. This is only the beginning.

Posted by: rickl at May 27, 2016 09:57 PM (sdi6R)

As someone here said,

It's not about the knee,
It's not about the bending,
It's about the making!

469
the only time this did work out was when i was hanging out with these peurto ricans and black guys and they were completely chill and kept knocking me for being So White but they also totally let me get away with "gotta check to make sure you didn't steal my hubcaps" jokes

But based on that one experience -- which was great -- I keep assuming this Rule is always in effect and I keep getting in trouble for it.

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 10:05 PM (dciA+)

470
well i gave my worthless 2 cents several times today so ill go back into meatspace and hope i give more -better.

- It seems like the congressional libs, *and* a lot of the GOPe types, have families where not only did *they* go to some ivy-covered college, but their parents/grandparents/etc etc etc all the way back to 1837 or something.

- Whereas the freshest, boldest conservatives (think Tom Cotton)? They're oftentimes the *very first* members of their entire family, ever to have even set foot on a college campus anywhere.

There's a quote from Francis Fukuyama's "the End of History" that goes(very) roughly something like this:

The poor and the slaves cause all of the revolutions. Not the people at the top. The people at the top are satisfied with their positions and sociey as it is and wish to maintain it.

So, yeah, Cuthbert Rosenfilbert IV is going to do exactly what Cuthbert Rosenfilbert III to maintain his position in society because he likes where he is.

The big difference these days is that Cuthbert Rosenfilbert IV is willing to use his and his classes' power to block you from ever acquiring the ability to compete with him.

Hell, he doesn't even want you to be middle class anymore. Cuz you're just too damn uppitty. Better to strip away your earnings in the name of "Fairness", and destroy your lifestyle in the name of "Gaia", and kick you out of the workforce with endless immigration and H1B visas.

So, if Ted Cruz had made himself availble to the media just as Trump had done, he would have been ignored?
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Yes. Absolutely. Trump has been a 'media figure' since the 80s. Everything about him is based on this.

Cruz would have been on a few Sunday morning shows, but nobody would have carried his rallies live. No one would have given him hour-long infomercials multiple times a week.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 10:06 PM (mFkVC)

473If "they" have to like it before I say it (whatever "it" is, maybe such a
radical thought all lives matter), there is no freedom of expression.

It's not that "they" have to LIKE it. It is just about being considerate.

As Ace might say, there is a "weak form" and a "strong form" of political correctness.

The "weak form" is mostly harmless. Just don't intentionally piss off the people you are talking to.

The "strong form" is basically the heckler's veto. That the mob gets to choose what language you use for you, and will shout you down if you don't comply.

I think it's the "strong form" that we all complain about most of the time. But the "weak form" is really nothing more than simple courtesy.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 10:06 PM (uAvJJ)

474
I don't want anyone telling me what I can and can't say either but just because you can say something doesn't mean you should. Still, it's just words and if someone gets upset about a word, f' em. It's their problem not mine.

Posted by: freaked at May 27, 2016 10:06 PM (byyxn)

475
"What words can I use that others can't and if there are none, how are my rights equal?"

What is this nonsense? I hear white people use "the word" all the time.

476
No you're right, I should be totally and fucking thrilled that BOTH major party candidates are part of the rich and powerful and connected club so much that they can bend government to serve their will in screwing the "little guy". Yeah, that is totes awesome. GO TRUMP, HE TRIED TO SCREW OVER GRANDMA
Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 10:03 PM (uAvJJ)

*****

Your problem should be with SCOTUS. It is not, because you want this to be a Trump wedge issue. Blame those who allowed it, not those who used it in a perfectly legal fashion, as allowed by SCOTUS.

So, if Ted Cruz had made himself availble to the media just as Trump had done, he would have been ignored?
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Yes. Absolutely. Trump has been a 'media figure' since the 80s. Everything about him is based on this.

Cruz would have been on a few Sunday morning shows, but nobody would have carried his rallies live. No one would have given him hour-long infomercials multiple times a week.
Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 10:06 PM (mFkVC)

479
478 John Wick is on
Posted by: ThunderB, War Criminal at May 27, 2016 10:07 PM (zOTsN)
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John Wick is good.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 10:08 PM (mFkVC)

480Your problem should be with SCOTUS. It is not,
because you want this to be a Trump wedge issue. Blame those who allowed
it, not those who used it in a perfectly legal fashion, as allowed by
SCOTUS.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 27, 2016 10:07 PM (YLidQ)Trump tried to bend government to his will to evict Vera Coking *before* the Kelo decision, you know. It has nothing to do with SCOTUS and everything to do with Trump using any means available to him to screw over the little guy.

483
MWNP and let's be honest. If Clinton tried to get the local government development authority to evict a local landowner in order to build a parking garage for the Clinton Foundation offices, you and everyone else would rightly throw a hissy fit about how this was an abuse of power, no matter how technically legal it might be. But because Trump did it, you blow it off. That is your double standard.

I was beginning to lose hope, you were so lost in wee wee land with all those 'principled' conservatives... Sick of the fucking term and all of them.

This gives me hope, love you man...

Posted by: GlennDC at May 27, 2016 10:10 PM (YreNt)

485
I make racial jokes all the time but only to men. Women get upset and get all butthurt and judgey scoldy.

Posted by: L, Elle at May 27, 2016 10:11 PM (6IPEM)

486
Trump tried to bend government to his will to evict Vera Coking *before* the Kelo decision, you know. It has nothing to do with SCOTUS and everything to do with Trump using any means available to him to screw over the little guy.

Posted by: chemjeff
****

Did Trump jail anyone unjustly? Did he get anyone killed just to cover his own ass? Has he sold out his country?

487
>>as i've said before I often consider myself above racism and therefore empowered to use racial language with people of different races.

>This... never works. I really need to stop this.

i wouldn't worry. Without Google Translator, all they hear is a series of Yubs and Nubs.

Posted by: garrett at May 27, 2016 10:11 PM (NvC7m)

488
I had no idea I was a white man until the Fall of 2008. I always viewed people as Human Beings first then Americans/non Americans then add asshole/non asshole along with authentic and non authentic to the matrix. Sounds utopian and corny, but that is how my family raised me.

I truly believe people are starving for an authentic leadership... And order.

Hence, Trump.

Posted by: Tank at May 27, 2016 10:12 PM (VnxtC)

489
You might be out for the night already Ace but I'm pretty sure the articles you cite are from Stace.

https://twitter.com/zakn/status/736380228117745664

Posted by: Zakn at May 27, 2016 10:12 PM (d2pTe)

490
Slavery was and is endemic evil and its eradication in this country was baked into the Republic.

Posted by: garrett at May 27, 2016 10:09 PM (NvC7m)
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Many of the Founders knew this, too. Jefferson knew that slavery was having "a tiger by the tail" that could eventually destroy the nation. It only became a positive good in the decades leading to the Civil War.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 10:12 PM (mFkVC)

491
It is great to be back on board with Ace after or Cruz v. Rubio spat. Join the fun get Pocahontas.

492
Trump tried to bend government to his will to evict Vera Coking *before* the Kelo decision, you know. It has nothing to do with SCOTUS and everything to do with Trump using any means available to him to screw over the little guy.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 10:09 PM (uAvJJ)

****

Well, sure. Because one deal decades ago means he will always fuck over the little guy, despite decades of evidence to the contrary. You go ahead and hold that tight to your little heart, Perfesser.

Who are you now supporting for President and why are you supporting them?

493
MWNP and let's be honest. If Clinton tried to get the local government development authority to evict a local landowner in order to build a parking garage for the Clinton Foundation offices, you and everyone else would rightly throw a hissy fit about how this was an abuse of power, no matter how technically legal it might be. But because Trump did it, you blow it off. That is your double standard.

Posted by: chemjeff
****

Bullsh*t. He's scum. No, he's not "our scum" either. I do not like Trump, but your TDS is tiring.
I will vote against Hillary even if it means voting for an ass like Trump.

496
Trump tried to bend government to his will to evict Vera Coking *before* the Kelo decision, you know. It has nothing to do with SCOTUS and everything to do with Trump using any means available to him to screw over the little guy.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 10:09 PM (uAvJJ)

Vera Coking screwed herself, because she was blessed with your intelligence and innate sense of "fairness".

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at May 27, 2016 10:14 PM (V9xP3)

497
i wonder why trump is not getting the credit for some of the things he has done right, like his scotus list. that is pretty important - he let his position known.

499
Ace starts off mocking the wine-sipping liberal wannabe Marco Rubio supporters, despite the candidate's own working class roots, and finishes by implying we should vote for the billionaire developer born with a silver fork in his mouth just because he's rude. Have I about got that?

Posted by: evergreen at May 27, 2016 10:17 PM (0JiMl)

500
What words can I use that others can't and if there are none, how are my rights equal?

In what context and how do you mean "can't"?

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I don't mean for fear of criminal prosecution (although with this hate crime legislation that is not an entirely frivolous issue). I read recently (in The German War by Nicholas Stargardt if I remember correctly) that it was not fear of the Gestapo that kept the Germans in line so much as fear of social exclusion. I've mentioned three words that are now taboo. There are dozens, if not hundreds, of others. These words are ideas so dangerous we must self censor. But it's all just and fair because others also self censor to avoid offending me by not using such words as . . ..

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 27, 2016 10:17 PM (Nwg0u)

501
Well, sure. Because one deal decades ago means he will always fuck over the little guy, despite decades of evidence to the contrary. You go ahead and hold that tight to your little heart, Perfesser.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at May 27, 2016 10:13 PM (YLidQ)

Actually, Trump would routinely try to cheat contractors.

Much of his wealth was based on taking loans for projects at exorbitant rates (because no bank trusted him) which doomed a project from the start, running the project into the ground, and leaving his partners holding the bag.

He even cheats at golf.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 10:17 PM (mFkVC)

502
>>> But I have to believe that this is a vanishingly small specialty.

some people are more comfortable being merely "adjacent to racism" than others, I guess.

everyone knows this has a deeply racist meaning. if you want to keep on insisting it's a 'great word," whatever.

"Sambo's" really good too.

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 10:18 PM (dciA+)

503Bullsh*t. He's scum. No, he's not "our scum" either. I do not like Trump, but your TDS is tiring.

I will vote against Hillary even if it means voting for an ass like Trump.

Posted by: Tilikum Killer Assault Whale at May 27, 2016 10:13 PM (hVdx9)I'm referring to the Trump shills like MWNP here, who will say "ehh that's just business" when it's Trump screwing over the little guy, but who will get outrageously outraged should Hillary do the same thing.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 10:18 PM (uAvJJ)

504
421 this has been my issue with some of the libertarian movement. i saw them demonstrating often and fervently with the left during Bush and bashing jews/siding with the death cult of islam.

i know liberatrians are Not all on that page but it really bugged me for years.

Posted by: willow
****

Having met more than a few libertarians I quickly learned they were not with Conservatives. Whoever would let them engage in their (usually illegal) vises without shame or legal repercussions would be who they supported.
Principles? they had none really.

I was a principled libertarian for a number of years, until the Libertarian Party was taken-over by a bunch of dickheads.

Posted by: cthulhu at May 27, 2016 10:18 PM (EzgxV)

505
Call them out by name, Ace, and so we know who they are. You could start by ticking off the list at NRO, if that's ok with CW Cooke and Krauthammer.

Posted by: Born Free at May 27, 2016 10:19 PM (KGSqz)

506
497 i wonder why trump is not getting the credit for some of the things he has done right, like his scotus list. that is pretty important - he let his position known.
Posted by: runner at May 27, 2016 10:15 PM (c6/9Q)
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Because he immediately walked it back, saying he would likely add names to the list, and his final choice might not even be on the list.

Posted by: GlennDC at May 27, 2016 10:16 PM (YreNt)She said no, but Trump didn't stop there. Trump then tried to use the local government development authority to seize the land *on his behalf*. Because he was a member of the rich and powerful and connected class in Atlantic City, he was able to bend government to serve his interests and use it to screw the little guy.

509
She said no, but Trump didn't stop there. Trump then tried to use the local government development authority to seize the land *on his behalf*. Because he was a member of the rich and powerful and connected class in Atlantic City, he was able to bend government to serve his interests and use it to screw the little guy.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 10:19 PM (uAvJJ)

Oh dude will you stop with this. No one gives a shit about limo parking lots, dogs on roofs of cars, elevators for cars, binders full of women, etc. etc. etc.

These election season non issues that everyone makes a big deal about are just so... exhausting.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at May 27, 2016 10:21 PM (AkOaV)

510
I hope we can all agree that slavery is bad, while not being judgemental of cultural norms that may differ from ours. While recognizing that White American Colonialism, Genocide and Imperialism are the greatest evils ever unleashed on the world.

Posted by: cm9000 at May 27, 2016 10:21 PM (2TUVm)

511
What is this nonsense? I hear white people use "the word" all the time.

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Other than reading or referencing quotes in police reports, I don't.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks at May 27, 2016 10:21 PM (Nwg0u)

512Well, sure. Because one deal decades ago means he will always fuck over
the little guy, despite decades of evidence to the contrary. You go
ahead and hold that tight to your little heart, Perfesser.

"decades of evidence to the contrary", eh? Like what?

He cheated his creditors out of what they were owed by use of the bankruptcy code. Does that sound like "sticking up" for the little guy?

514
and who in their right mind would want to LIVE in Atlantic City? Unless youre a degenerate gambler, prostitute, or crack head?

Someone offers you a good deal to buy your hovel, you take it.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at May 27, 2016 10:22 PM (AkOaV)

515
She said no, but Trump didn't stop there. Trump then tried to use the local government development authority to seize the land *on his behalf*. Because he was a member of the rich and powerful and connected class in Atlantic City, he was able to bend government to serve his interests and use it to screw the little guy.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 10:19 PM (uAvJJ)
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In the earlier thread, we learned that government violation of individual rights for the 'public good' is Conservative now.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 10:22 PM (mFkVC)

516Posted by: Harry Paratestes at May 27, 2016 10:21 PM (AkOaV)Harry, it isn't specifically about the parking garage. It is about Trump's propensity to use the levers of power to serve his will.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 10:23 PM (uAvJJ)

517He cheated his creditors out of what they were owed by use of the bankruptcy code. Does that sound like "sticking up" for the little guy?
Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 10:21 PM (uAvJJ)

Yeah, so did my cousin. He declared bankruptcy and let his house be foreclosed on. Does that mean he took advantage of "the little guy"?

521Yeah, so did my cousin. He declared bankruptcy and
let his house be foreclosed on. Does that mean he took advantage of "the
little guy"?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at May 27, 2016 10:23 PM (AkOaV)Did your cousin use his power and influence at the local development authority to try to acquire a piece of real estate that would make him richer ON HIS BEHALF, something that he was only able to do because he was a member of the rich and powerful and connected class?

There was NOTHING left of her neighborhood. He offered her 4 x what the other people took. As Bugs said, "what a Maroon..."

She has an absolute right to be an idiot. And we have a right to wonder what that dumpkopf was smoking!!!! What a dunce, and what pitiful advice she got from the Progressives.... F* the cash, you have a right to live under a building.... RUFKM???? And you think she was "abused"??????

Posted by: GlennDC at May 27, 2016 10:25 PM (YreNt)

523
Harry, it isn't specifically about the parking garage. It is about Trump's propensity to use the levers of power to serve his will.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 10:23 PM (uAvJJ)

So would I, so would you, so does everyone in the god damn world.

Which is why it's such a big problem that government has and abuses those powers and that every politician walks around with his hand out begging for money in a "donate and I'll help you, don't and I'll fuck you and help your competition" way.

But I don't see why I'm supposed to care that Trump has tried to use the law to his -- and his investors -- advantage.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at May 27, 2016 10:25 PM (AkOaV)

524
Okay. Stop it. After six years living in Chicagoland, having our accents mocked and called "cute" names at cocktail parties and school events, we moved back south to escape that crap, and now I'm surrounded, literally, by Northern transplants/retirees who do the same.

I've had more than enough. If Momma hadn't taught me better, I'd throw out a few zingers to the nitwits who so enjoy living here, but can't bear the natives.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 27, 2016 09:44 PM (1ZOkK)

Amen, sister. If you someone is prejudiced against Southerners and our culture, they should stay the fuck out (don't tell my mother I said that).

She doesn't have to justify why she didn't sell. They are called property RIGHTS for a reason. The proper exercise of one's rights don't have to be justified to the state nor to anyone else.

Trump should have to justify why he wanted to use his power and influence to bend government to his will to seize this woman's land in order to make him richer.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 10:26 PM (uAvJJ)

527
Did your cousin use his power and influence at the local development authority to try to acquire a piece of real estate that would make him richer ON HIS BEHALF, something that he was only able to do because he was a member of the rich and powerful and connected class?
Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 10:25 PM (uAvJJ)

No, but when I was a GC I regularly tried to influence the local variance committee to approve permits that I was applying for on behalf of customers to make myself richer.

Trump is just at a much larger scale than I was.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at May 27, 2016 10:26 PM (AkOaV)

528
Because he immediately walked it back, saying he would likely add names
to the list, and his final choice might not even be on the list.

And his past behavior gives us no reason to believe him in any case.

yes he will add names; i heard him say taht. what behavior are you talking about ?

530
514 and who in their right mind would want to LIVE in Atlantic City? Unless youre a degenerate gambler, prostitute, or crack head?

Someone offers you a good deal to buy your hovel, you take it.
Posted by: Harry Paratestes at May 27, 2016 10:22 PM (AkOaV)
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This is one of the things that worries me about Trump.

If I thought people would hold their noses, vote for Trump, and then criticize and challenge him when he inevitably begins acting against every Conservative principle, I'd feel a lot better.

But that won't happen. People will look for reasons to support him. They will contort themselves. They will justify the unjustifiable.

They will make arguments like the above. I don't know if you really meant this or were joking, Harry (Atlantic City does suck), but a lot of people here and elsewhere are making this argument in earnest.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 10:27 PM (mFkVC)

531
>>Amen, sister. If you someone is prejudiced against Southerners and our culture, they should stay the fuck out

Just a matter of time before Y'all Rize A'Gin!

Posted by: garrett at May 27, 2016 10:27 PM (NvC7m)

532
I'm referring to the Trump shills like MWNP here, who will say "ehh that's just business" when it's Trump screwing over the little guy, but who will get outrageously outraged should Hillary do the same thing.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 10:18 PM (uAvJJ)

****

Not a shill at all, I can just look at the reality laid before me and make a sane choice.

534Posted by: Harry Paratestes at May 27, 2016 10:25 PM (AkOaV)It gives lie to the whole idiotic idea now being floated by the Trumpsters that "oh he is some random blank slate wild card". No he isn't, his own actions demonstrate what he really thinks about property rights.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 10:28 PM (uAvJJ)

535
"I think a vandalized Trump sign says more about the nature of this election than two new ones."

When I saw the first sign, I speculated it would be stolen or vandalized.

Posted by: sexypig at May 27, 2016 10:28 PM (dZQh7)

536
They will make arguments like the above. I don't know if you really meant this or were joking, Harry (Atlantic City does suck), but a lot of people here and elsewhere are making this argument in earnest.
Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 10:27 PM (mFkVC)

Did my over the top characterization of the denizens of AC not make it clear that I was being a little facetious?

My point is that this is such a minor nothing burger that I don't see why anyone is pushing this or cares.

It's like we're arguing about Romneys dog on the car or his car elevator again.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at May 27, 2016 10:29 PM (AkOaV)

537
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Other than reading or referencing quotes in police reports, I don't.

538
Funny how only one "race" is supposed to be sensitive to racial connotations. Funny how only one "race" is in need of "Diversity".

Posted by: cm9000 at May 27, 2016 10:29 PM (2TUVm)

539502
everyone knows this has a deeply racist meaning. if you want to keep on insisting it's a 'great word," whatever.

Posted by: ace at May 27, 2016 10:18 PM (dciA+)

I still don't see it, but anyway I am not in the habit of using "cuck". I remember reading that someone called CAC that, because his wife is not white. I would never use it in such a context.

I do like "cuckservative" very much, though. In my mind, it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with rolling over for the Left.

Posted by: rickl at May 27, 2016 10:29 PM (sdi6R)

540Yes, I have learned that there is a subset of porn where white men watch their wives getting banged by a black dude. But I have to believe that this is a vanishingly small specialty.

Ten years ago, it was. Judging from the free sites now, it's no boutique item any more of searches regarding extra curricular sex.

Posted by: derit at May 27, 2016 10:31 PM (OC+TJ)

541
Also, would the trolls dissing the Constitution kindly tell us which specific aspects they object to, how they want it changed, and how their preferences better reflect the founding principles of the nation?

Posted by: lowtech redneck at May 27, 2016 10:31 PM (KF8B+)

542
It gives lie to the whole idiotic idea now being floated by the Trumpsters that "oh he is some random blank slate wild card". No he isn't, his own actions demonstrate what he really thinks about property rights.
Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 10:28 PM (uAvJJ)

And my point is that trying to get the city to use eminent domain for a big building project is absolutely nothing out of the ordinary for any builder, especially in that part of the country.

Would I prefer that eminent domain did not exist and/or was severely limited? Yes.

Do I blame Pfizer, for example, for going along with the New London Development Corp? Not at all.

It reflects on his attitude regarding government. Just like his describing a President as "reigning," or repeatedly praising despots, or talking about how he will force companies to do this or that.

Posted by: person at May 27, 2016 10:31 PM (mFkVC)

544
Don't know if it was just my Shakespeare professor or it's a general theory, but when I was in college we were taught about the Elizabethan "Scourge of God" play. The idea that a wild man blows through the society like a hurricane, murdering at will. He wipes out lots of evil, is killed himself, and at the end a hero rides out of the sea on a white horse. Example we all know: Richard III.
That's how I've seen Trump from the beginning. Whatever he does as president, by being elected, he will already have done two yuuuuuge things: ended the Bush dynasty and ended the Clinton dynasty. Whatever comes afterward is gravy.

Posted by: Wenda (sic) at May 27, 2016 10:32 PM (pZEKq)

545
"However, the word "cuckservative" is Dead. Bang. On. What better term is there for the Boehners, McConnells, Ryans, and Kristols of the world?"

It was a nice term when it was just political.

Unfortunately, it was also grabbed by the white nationalists who are banging on about #whitegenocide and how you should only have babies with other white people, hence cuckolds conservatives in their world refers to this aspect: race-mixing.

I feel bad that a cute little insult was lost, where it just meant being the Dems bitch, but it has been lost.

Posted by: sexypig at May 27, 2016 10:33 PM (dZQh7)

546
I do like "cuckservative" very much, though. In my
mind, it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with rolling
over for the Left.

Posted by: rickl at May 27, 2016 10:29 PM (sdi6R)

I heard that the word was invented by Stormfront types, and is seen by others as a signifier that you hang around with them. Can't say whether or not there's any truth to that, but seriously: Have you actually said it? It's a very awkward sounding word that pretty much nobody would ever use in a real conversation.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at May 27, 2016 10:33 PM (HalrA)

His win, and voter revole, has been pre-ordained by the decades long dearth of INSTRUCTIVE clarity of conservative principles by the crony RINOsaur leadership that has come to dominate the GOP's party apparatus.

Most of the RINOsaur's efforts are focused upon amassing crony bucks to retain their power, at the cost of pretty much all else.

The RINOsaurs have been recognized as the Emporers without Clothes that they truly are by the rank and file of not just the GOP, but a fair chunk of the the population outside of the party faithful.

Both of you, literally spend hours each day, attempting to tear down Trump to what purpose.

We live in a binary system, if you choose to vote, so the choices are Trump or Hillary!

One of them will be President no matter what.

If you wish to engage in Cos-Play Politics and vote Libertarian, fine.

so, what's your deal here with the same tiresome anti-Trump stuff every day.

All you're doing with this approach is helping Hillary!.

If you're for her and a Democrat, say so.

This weird passive-aggressive nonsense is tiresome.

Both of you claim to be the most Conservative Conservatives Whatever Conserved-

if so, I could understand a positive/active solution to your hatred/distrust of Trump if you said something like-

"Well, i don't think Trump is conservative so I want to hold his feet to the fire by electing more conservatives. This guy in my district, Joe Blow, is a great conservative. Donate to him if you can."

But, nope.

Just weird passive-aggressive pissing and moaning like the world's worst girlfriends.

So, what's your endgame here?

Whats your purpose?

Posted by: naturalfake at May 27, 2016 10:34 PM (HGtd0)

551
Also, would the trolls dissing the Constitution kindly tell us which specific aspects they object to, how they want it changed, and how their preferences better reflect the founding principles of the nation?

Posted by: lowtech redneck at May 27, 2016 10:31 PM (KF8B+)

I don't understand their gripe. It's been "fixed" 27 times and their is a procedure available to do more.

552
I heard that the word was invented by Stormfront types, and is seen by others as a signifier that you hang around with them. Can't say whether or not there's any truth to that, but seriously: Have you actually said it? It's a very awkward sounding word that pretty much nobody would ever use in a real conversation.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel
****

I don't know who invented the term, but the racists glommed onto it big time. And yes I saw this for myself.

553
"Long Story Short: In social struggles -- not military ones, not political ones -- a concession may be demanded or a privilege asserted, but it cannot actually come into being until/unless the target concedes it."

If you think you are going to win the social or political struggles against Leftist tyranny without a credible threat of overwhelming violence behind you, you're delusional.

Pretty much. Their crookedness and betrayal has made Conservative into an epithet, instead of a mark of honor. They've damaged the brand beyond any hope of recovery for decades.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at May 27, 2016 10:38 PM (HalrA)

555546
I heard that the word was invented by Stormfront types, and is seen by others as a signifier that you hang around with them. Can't say whether or not there's any truth to that, but seriously: Have you actually said it? It's a very awkward sounding word that pretty much nobody would ever use in a real conversation.
Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at May 27, 2016 10:33 PM (HalrA)

559
"I do like "cuckservative" very much, though. In my mind, it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with rolling over for the Left."

I'm sorry, but when armies of racist assholes using that term make me side with goddamn Matt Lewis (during a period of time in which my culture and heritage was being aggressively persecuted on spurious charges of racism, thereby making extremely resistant to labeling anyone else racist), and the pattern is repeated as nauseam for months, that term simply cannot be redeemed or appropriated for other purposes. Not even to say one doesn't give a fuck about leftist narratives.

HOWEVER, this is not all Trump is good for. Though it is the engine whereby he will get things done.

Additionally, the fact that the GOP caves into the PC mores is not the only reason they need to go. They need to go for a whole litany of reasons including

1) having pushed through Obama's Transgender bill the other night

2) TPP

3) endless hearings for show against the IRS (Lois Lerner, John Koskinen), and Benghazi, and Fast and Furious, with nothing to show for them

4) immigration reform

5) deciding against the will of the people that Jeb Bush was the frontrunner

etc. etc.

That's why the GOP has to go.

The anti-PC movement which Trump has picked up on (not engendered himself) is just the means of destruction of all the other problems in our nation.

HOWEVER, destroying PC is Trump's only accomplishment, that will still be a HUGE and important feat.

Posted by: Pastorius at May 27, 2016 10:42 PM (gMAUH)

565551 Also, would the trolls dissing the Constitution kindly tell us which specific aspects they object to, how they want it changed, and how their preferences better reflect the founding principles of the nation?

Posted by: lowtech redneck at May 27, 2016 10:31 PM (KF8B+)

I don't understand their gripe. It's been "fixed" 27 times and their is a procedure available to do more.
Posted by: Meremortal, Someone's French sucks at May 27, 2016 10:35 PM (3myMJ)

What is so difficult to understand?

The Constitution is just a thing created by people.

The fact there are mechanisms to change it does not mean it does not need to be changed.

Posted by: eman at May 27, 2016 10:42 PM (MQEz6)

566
"The problem with kicking out the "current crop of purported leaders" is that the replacements are incompetant Trump sycophants."

572
544 Don't know if it was just my Shakespeare professor or it's a general theory, but when I was in college we were taught about the Elizabethan "Scourge of God" play. The idea that a wild man blows through the society like a hurricane, murdering at will. He wipes out lots of evil, is killed himself, and at the end a hero rides out of the sea on a white horse. Example we all know: Richard III.
That's how I've seen Trump from the beginning. Whatever he does as president, by being elected, he will already have done two yuuuuuge things: ended the Bush dynasty and ended the Clinton dynasty. Whatever comes afterward is gravy.

576
You know what you are? You don't--but I do. You're the son of a thousand cuckolds, blondie.

Posted by: derit at May 27, 2016 10:51 PM (OC+TJ)

577
The point - or one very much like it - about the Upper Middle Class College-Educated Class being so biddable was made by C S Lewis in That Hideous Strength. Can't find the passage on line, but it's early, when Mark is first brought into the NICE, and questions whether the articles he's faking will be believed. The answer: his class, the degreed class, will believe anything if they read it in the right sources, but the lower classes don't believe anything in the papers except the sports and murders. (Actually, Arthur Balfour, when PM, said something a bit similar, that he only read golf coverage in the news, as that was the only thing which both interested him and was accurate.)

The fact there are mechanisms to change it does not mean it does not need to be changed."

1.) So are the principles we(?) cherish (at least for those of us who are reluctant agnostics).

2.) In what way does the Constitution need to change, and how would that better reflect conservative principles?

Posted by: lowtech redneck at May 27, 2016 10:53 PM (KF8B+)

579
If you are having trouble seeing the difference between Trump and the establishment, you just might be GOPe.

Posted by: cm9000 at May 27, 2016 10:54 PM (2TUVm)

580
"If you are having trouble seeing the difference between Trump and the establishment, you just might be GOPe."

Let's see what actually happens once Trump wins before we decide he's "different."

Posted by: sexypig at May 27, 2016 10:59 PM (dZQh7)

581
"You have establishment types sucking up to him because he's going to be the nominee.

Then you have the incompetents who used Trump to grab power and then purge unbelievers, like what is happening in Nevada."

Posted by: The Political Hat at May 27, 2016 10:47 PM (Z8xbi)

I ken that, especially the sucking up. There's no avoiding that, it's their nature. They'd do the same with Hillary.

It's part of the process. This isn't going to be easy, fun or clean. It's probably going to be short and fail utterly because it may be too late.

But these are desperate times.

After almost two terms of Obama, he has around a 50% approval rating. That tells me we are in real trouble and the usual R suspects aren't going to get the job done. If the newbies suck, kick them out too and keep kicking until we win or go commie.

There are no saviors among Cruz, Rubio and rest of the 17 dwarfs. They couldn't even take Trump.

I don't want to see this place turn into a pro-Trump echo chamber a la Breitbart.

I think eventually Ace is going to finally say "vote Trump because Hillary is awful". And then the place will be flooded with pro-Trump trolls.

And as Shapiro noted in the podcast, then the discussion will turn from "Trump is a shitbag but he's less of a shitbag than Hillary", to "well maybe Trump isn't actually all that bad after all". I'm here to remind ppl that that is not hte case.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 27, 2016 11:07 PM (uAvJJ)

584
@cm 9000- Well one of the clues he is a leftist/GOP establishment type is who he gave campaign contributions to. It sure as shit wasn't any conservatives. Plus the decades of TV interviews where he clearly takes the liberal side of every issue. Now at 70 some odd years he's had a political change of heart(?)

He hates the constituting and so do a lot of his followers. Fuck the shit out of that.

Posted by: stace at May 27, 2016 11:10 PM (ozZau)

586
i don't know, some think that voting for trump is like marrying him. it is not. don't even have to like
him. it is just hiring a guy to do a job - get the economy going, push
back on this progressive crap, put the right people on the supreme
court, immigration etc. can he do it? yes. will he do it ? good chance he will. he has a huge ego, it won't let him fail.

Posted by: runner at May 27, 2016 11:12 PM (c6/9Q)

587
@chemjeff-I'll give you credit, you certainly have stamina for this. You're gonna need it for the "I told you so" and the blame for whatever type of failure Trump encounters that will be hurled your way.

588
Ace, you are WAY too concerned and spend WAY too much time thinking about Marco Rubio. It's NOT healthy.

Posted by: rexbatt at May 27, 2016 11:16 PM (woA40)

589
Fitting that this article is written about a nomination-clinching press conference, seeing as though his improbable campaign began with giving perl-clutching progs the vapors with all the liberal social codes he broke in just one speech.

They thought they had sufficiently drummed the idea into everyone's head that even the thought of building a wall was racist, and this asshole comes along and says that not only does he want to build one but make it one of the Wonders of the World. Now you know why they want and NEED so much to destroy him: he's cracked their code.

It all makes sense now. I had been watching this video on a loop earlier laughing my ass off and couldn't figure out why I couldn't stop. It's because it's something that you literally never but always wanted to see.

This post should be required reading on page 1 of the fucking GOP field manual, but of course they won't read it because all they care about is appeasing the left and right enough to hold onto their seats.

591
Seriously what the fuck. You are just coming to realize now that the left cannot be out friends? These people hate us because we disagree with them. The only way to be in their good books is to adopt their policies. They can't be reasoned with. Rush Limbaugh has consistently said this for years.

Posted by: James at May 27, 2016 11:58 PM (8NivZ)

592
I have no idea about Trump as president. But I credit him as he has already done a very important thing that we desperately needed. The next crowd running for GOP nom will all study Trumps rise and the way he dealt with the media and the crybullies from the left. Anyone who expects to win will go in having the blueprint and knowing we expect them to not knuckle under.

Breitbart and Newt last round started this at this level and Trump copied their formula.

594
Ace, congrats on reaching the conclusion that many saw last summer in Trumps announcement speech and the McCain spat and his refusal to apologize. Trump won after his proposal to ban muslims after the Paris rampage.

Did you not read Righteous Indignation??? Breitbart said very clearly that you would lose friends and status when you challenge the left, but in doing so you'd gain other kindred spirits and inspire others.

In the meantime you've revealed yourself to be a petty petulant pajama boy phony rebel pundit who managed to drive away the much of the commentary. Bravo sir!

Posted by: David Silver at May 28, 2016 12:05 AM (XnIGD)

595
My biggest gripe about Trump's use of "Pocahontas" is that he never understood what we were really calling her!

It's FAUX-cahontas, you illiterate boob! See, that's what makes it funny, that's what alludes to the fakery, yadda yadda yadda. YOU RUINED THE FRAKKING JOKE.

Posted by: Tom Servo at May 28, 2016 12:13 AM (V2Yro)

596
OMFG, this is a beautiful piece. Absolutely every line spot on. Thank you, Ace!

597
Amen, Mr. O'Spades, Amen. Thank for your elegant writing, biting wit and your ability to condense such an important analysis into few words (OK, the last part was bullshit) but the piece was so very clarifying. This why I never abandon this place.

Posted by: jeannebodine at May 28, 2016 12:33 AM (Qk1Jp)

598
Great--come for the anti-PC snark, stay for the alt-right pseudo reverse-Foucaltian interior deconstruction decoration and the snazzy hairdos, but wait, there's more, you get to own the compensatory bytes and baubles of the 88jugen tykes: have fun!

This can all be yours, yay! http://tinyurl.com/zzntewt

Posted by: Sparky the Wonder Dog at May 28, 2016 12:43 AM (P5uhO)

599
But it doesn't matter how he came to be immune to their power -- all that matters is that he is immune to it.

Trump is immune to such Mean Girl persuasions not because he's an especially courageous or wise man, but because he's a narcissist and a bully himself. Not because he's a good man, but because he's a fairly bad one.

Ace I think you've really matured on your stance on Trump. Maybe now you understand why we MUST vote for him.

Posted by: tonynoboloney at May 28, 2016 12:47 AM (Yba/s)

600
Damn Ace, were you drunk when you wrote this or do you just not proofread AT ALL anymore?

Will you please post the second draft of this tomorrow and include all the missing words? Thanks.

Posted by: Confused Reader at May 28, 2016 01:17 AM (KYl0B)

601
One thing about those anti-PC heroes is that they are fearlessly anti-PC up to the moment they take over the P, yeah? an then every one else has two choices: to get with the new PC like Johnny on the Spot or be permanently C'd.

Posted by: Sparky the Wonder Dog at May 28, 2016 01:17 AM (P5uhO)

602
I call it the 8 Mile Rule: "Here, tell these people something they don't know about me."

603
I'm not ok with the PC, but I have to ask you to please rethink the blasphemy. Please. For your mothers sake. God wants to be talked to, not cussed. I can guarantee he doesn't cuss you. So please.

Posted by: Heddy at May 28, 2016 01:55 AM (/ZLfx)

604
And although some words can be repugnant, it all starts with them and proceeds to others.

Which is why labeling them with their first letter (I do this out of deference to the blog owner only) such as the "N" word.

Now I understand that's considered a really bad word by those labeled so.

However they themselves use it constantly. Only certain people can't use it because their ancestors MAYBE MIGHT HAVE done so in the past.

Now using that word as a epithet is bad manners, using it as a joke or kidding someone or pointing out what someone else has said should not become an instant hate crime. But that's where we are.

And when that happened is when the cascade of "you can't say that, it' offensive" started. Cause once you admit that certain words can't ever be uttered then it's just a matter of argument which other ones become taboo.

And thus was born the Political Correct movement and the consequent ridiculous situations brought about by a fear that somewhere, someone might be offended.

Free speech isn't about speech that everyone approves of. Free speech is about speech that is hateful and nasty and mean and saying things that people don't want to hear. Because sometimes in all the crap are things that must be said and must be heard.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at May 28, 2016 02:05 AM (Xo1Rt)

605
So, Ace FINALLY recognizes the importance and significance of Trump's assault on political-correctness, now that the nomination process is essentially over, and after having climbed on board with the Trump-hater crowd - SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE he went outside that Overton Window that Ace is now saying to hell with. Is this what passes for a "Come to Jesus moment", as Laura Inghram calls it?

With the implication being that Trump is a goddamn American hero for it, with NO meaningful progress on ANYTHING being possible with it being done, and with Trump being the ONLY one to do it. That Trump stands to save the Republican Party from itself, and maybe re-draw the electoral college map at the same time.

No, all that is ignored, while Trump is STILL demonized as a "bully" (even though bullies pick on people just because they CAN, while Trump picks on opponents and people who have attacked him first). Trump is not even given CREDIT for doing this, the explanation being that he does it BECAUSE he's a "fairly bad man", even while the author openly admits that he was a coward and submitted to the PC gestapo.

Well, things would undoubtedly go more smoothly for Trump if he went along with the PC, too, so that actually DOES mean that Trump was the better man on this fairly important item. A better man would admit that, not throw baseless insults to try to compensate.

Posted by: Optimizer at May 28, 2016 04:14 AM (jPHi7)

606
WHY do people feel the need to insult, tear down, belittle ANYONE who does not think/agree EXACTLY with them?
We are products of different experiences and thought processes. It seems as though many folks have forgotten (or never learned the concepts of courtesy and respect.

Post 594 is just one of many here----- partial quote:
"ace--In the meantime you've revealed yourself to be a petty petulant pajama boy phony rebel pundit who managed to drive away the much of the commentary. Bravo sir! "

What kind of comment is that? If you don't like what Ace is writing--don't read it!--Start your own blog. Go vote for who ever you want --BUT --why be rude? Understand that not everyone thinks as you do. Some are more studied in their approach to decision making than others. Some hold different issues as being key. Many here need to grow up and act like adults as opposed to over hormoned fools. Let the left do the name calling and insults-- Please hold to the issues and substance and leave the fluff to float away.

Posted by: rld77 WAY down south at May 28, 2016 07:54 AM (4yndA)

607
I bug sprayed my house, now finding them out of the woodwork dead on the floor. That's the same effect Trump has had on RINOs like Romney who aren't really RINOs, they're Democrats

Posted by: Vadermitch at May 28, 2016 08:07 AM (GlMsu)

608
Ace, I imagine many of your readers, like me, gave an oath-for-life to "protect and defend...against all enemies foreign and domestic."

You called the SJWs internal enemies. Do you think this the same as domestic enemies?

Funny in all my years if service, LOAC training, service schools, etc, no one ever defined domestic enemy.

Can an elected official become a domestic enemy?

Who gets to decide? C-in-C? What if he is the enemy?

Thoughts?

Posted by: Avocationaviator at May 28, 2016 08:12 AM (cSWt1)

609
@608---I think our current C-n-C is most definitely a domestic enemy. Who gets to decide? Good question. I know many of us hold the same view, but no one seems to be able to get the other two branches of government to DO anything. For this reason, I will support Trump. Supreme Court Justice appointees are more important than ever at this juncture.

611
@ 605 the 'optimizer'-- OK --You don't like Trump being categorized as a bully.--Get over it.--He is--But he is also many other things -- and not all of them are bad-- Hell, there are times when being a bully is necessary. Trump is not perfect-- neither are any of us. I tend to think he WILL be better than the idiot we have.

613
Great post, Ace. I know it's a tried and true Alinsky method to hold the enemy to their own impossible standards, but I think we should cut that out. Finally, pointing out liberal hypocrisy just reinforces and gives credibility to the liberal mindset. I note that your post includes a reference to how Trump was using the word "Pocahantas" to attack Warren, not to denigrate native americans. True, but even this apology unnecessarily adopts the left's premise that mentioning race or especially a racial stereotype is taboo. Part of the immunity, as you say, is the ability to tell the shaming report to fuck off without concern for loss of social status, which Trump is generally willing to do.

Posted by: Rev at May 28, 2016 08:44 AM (r4wle)

614
Epic post by Ace....should be required reading...read it late last night and again this morning...

615
579
If you are having trouble seeing the difference between Trump and the establishment, you just might be GOPe.

Posted by: cm9000 at May 27, 2016 10:54 PM (2TUVm)

How so? The establishment is composed of lying, manipulators who tell people what they want to hear, often changing positions and tailoring their words to fit the audience. That appears to be what Trump is also. So whats the difference again?

617
Strongly disagree that these are original thoughts.
Breitbart was all over leftist PC crap year's ago and actually stuck his neck out while Johnny came lately ace of spades finally decides Trump won because he trolls Lizzy Warren? Ok then.
Ace misread the entire Trump phenomenon. It's been amazing how a new york "liberal" can make so many so called "conservative" pundits slip their masks.

this is leftism, socialism, communism, the democrat party, and the GOPe boiled down to its core. everything else they do is toward this goal and no other. understand this and you can understand their every thought and predict their every move.

623
and when you think about it, of course Trump sees through their rentseeking shit.

he's in the highly competitive business of earning rent for an actual service provided in a mutually beneficial relationship.

little wonder he can recognize con artists trying to collect mandated unearned rents based on providing nothing more than bullshit.

Posted by: x at May 28, 2016 10:34 AM (nFwvY)

624
So, what you're saying, Ace, is that if I'm unwilling to be a grotesque asshole to everyone around me, I belong with the liberals?

You sure you want to go with that?

We get that you're angry. Join the club, we have t-shirts.

But if you figure I must belong with the liberals because I won't stand with Trump's alt-right crazies and white power shit stains, then I think maybe you need to double check that.

Posted by: DriveBy at May 28, 2016 11:31 AM (C9Vc8)

625
Ace - you should ban the phrase "social justice warrior" and substitute "useful idiot" because that's what they are, useful idiots for the advancement of cultural marxism. Liberal privilege is their invisible shield and until that "shield" is continually pierced they will never shut the fuck up.

This generation of useful idiots, self described as social justice warriors, are also the new super hero generation (i.e. all the hollywood superhero movies, sjw's think they're heroic). When you destroy the super power of a super hero he/she slithers back to their hole. This is also the "everyone gets a trophy, there are no winners or losers, we all get trophies generation". They need to be schooled according to real world playground rules.

Posted by: jason at May 28, 2016 11:40 AM (CLxvC)

626
One of the best posts I have ever read! It is making me feel better about my future vote for Trump.

Posted by: jazzuscounty at May 28, 2016 11:51 AM (iRHb1)

627
"But if you figure I must belong with the liberals because I won't stand with Trump's alt-right crazies and white power shit stains, then I think maybe you need to double check that."

In all civil wars (which is what this is) there are only 2 sides that matter. All others are just useful idiots the willfully let themselves be used as pawns by one or the other of the dominant 2 sides.

But no, there's no need to stand up for someone you don't believe in. Just sit down and shut up and don't do damage that only helps the true enemy.

Look, Trump is an ass. Of course he is. But ever single word of this rant is correct, and can be summed up succinctly: He fights. 17 potential GOP nominees, and only one understood that the voters wanted a fighter.

No, Ted Cruz is not a fighter. He's a passive-aggressive shit-stirrer, which is not the same thing. And the rest of them would have his under the bed until November while Hitlery's surrogates called them racist, misogynist, anti-American, etc.... YES boys and girls, EVEN if Marco had been the nominee. Or Carly.

What none of you #NeverTrumpers understand is that no matter who we run, they are always "Hitler" after the convention. ALWAYS. Choosing who you think makes your party "look best" to the people who hate you anyway is stupid, and has been stupid for as long as I've been alive.

Posted by: Rusty Nail at May 28, 2016 01:02 PM (S2VsH)

632
"But no, there's no need to stand up for someone you don't believe in. Just sit down and shut up and don't do damage that only helps the true enemy."
=====

So, out of curiosity, who is "the true enemy?"

Because, I gotta tell you, from where I'm standing, every "side" in this fight look to me like shrieking apes flinging poo.

Posted by: DriveBy at May 28, 2016 01:20 PM (C9Vc8)

633
"What none of you #NeverTrumpers understand is that no matter who we run, they are always "Hitler" after the convention. ALWAYS. Choosing who you think makes your party "look best" to the people who hate you anyway is stupid, and has been stupid for as long as I've been alive."

====

Which is a great reason to run someone who is ACTUALLY favored by racists. Yeah, that will show them.

#smh

Posted by: DriveBy at May 28, 2016 01:21 PM (C9Vc8)

634
No, Ted Cruz is not a fighter. He's a
passive-aggressive shit-stirrer, which is not the same thing.

636
"And it's time to start treating them as straight up internal enemies."

Start? There's a reason I've called them the fifth-column left for years.

They ARE the enemy.

What we need to 'start' is kicking their asses. Figuratively and literally, if need be.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at May 28, 2016 02:12 PM (pldrX)

637
Ace, after some days where I've worried for your thorazine levels, this is a great post with great points. Slow clap.

It's true. All of it.

Still not voting for Trump.

I've been a Libertarian who has almost always voted with the GOP as a stop-gap measure against the Dems.

I've never been fully pro-life. I've never had a strong stake in stopping gay marriage. I've always voted pro-life, and I've voted with the values voters. On principle, I was on "their" side. Truth is, I am fine with a Libertarian approach to abortion (in terms of leeway for the mother, but Liberty for the vulnerable unborn), I'm for the free and robust of religion, even the zany ones.

I could give my consent to Trump on the basis of saying "okay, for the courts." Maybe. But if Hillary appoints a justice who overturns the First and Second amendments, I'll be glad to lead a movement to amend the constitution to restore those rights exactly and explicitly as they should be. At this point, that might be the only plan.

I considered 2012 the most important election of my voting life thus far. That one hurt. I even voted for Romney, even though I lived in a Blue state where it was swallowed up. Symbolically, the re-election of Obama told me we were in uncharted territory.

Hillary is vile. Will never support her. Is she worse than the Dems I have seen in my life? -- Bill, Gore, Kerry, Obama? No, just more of the same. Electing this equally vile man as the standard bearer for the party against her? I reject it. I am turning my back on the GOP.

Posted by: Dr. Leo Spaceman at May 28, 2016 02:28 PM (A0TZu)

638
627 .... But no, there's no need to stand up for someone you don't believe in. Just sit down and shut up and don't do damage that only helps the true enemy.
Posted by: Tom Servo at May 28, 2016 11:55 AM (V2Yro)

====

I have to say I don't quite understand this. Trumpets are convincing themselves that us who are nauseated by him are being petulant, somehow, or unprincipled.

You use the allusion to civil war as though you're egging it on. Saying that there are "only two sides" is how history books simplify things. Actual civil wars are usually bloody melees, where the original disputes get lost in layers of blood debts and constant revenge.

In normal times, Libertarian-minded people like myself will vote with the GOP to stop the Dems. When it's fractured like this, and the GOP nominee is anathema to everything I believe, I can see the advantage in hoping to see the Libertarians get 10% of the vote, costing one or the other main parties a victory.

Posted by: Dr. Leo Spaceman at May 28, 2016 03:01 PM (A0TZu)

639
"In normal times, Libertarian-minded people like myself will vote with the GOP to stop the Dems. When it's fractured like this, and the GOP nominee is anathema to everything I believe, I can see the advantage in hoping to see the Libertarians get 10% of the vote, costing one or the other main parties a victory."

Indeed, I have been predicting that kind of outcome for some years now and am chagrined to see it coming into the realm of the possible.

The GOP has just shoved the wife and kids out the door and shot itself in the head. The only remaining question is what will happen to those left behind.

Posted by: DriveBy at May 28, 2016 03:53 PM (C9Vc8)

640
This is not a new idea. Here it is from 7 years ago: How I learned to stop worrying and love the f-bombNow, let's think about at who rejected this idea then and who is forwarding it now.Did we really need Donald Fucking Trump to point this shit out? Are there stupid people in our mirrors?

642
I thought I was the only one who could see through Rubio's façade.
Rubio is a snitch. If he is chosen VP, he will be running to HIS Senate buddies and blabbing every thing Trump is planning to say, or planning to do.
The last thing a Trump WH needs is a sneaky snitch monitoring what's going on.
Rubio's tactics will allow the LEFT to try and circumvent everything Trump wants to do to set things right .. JUST LIKE THE LEFT DID TO THE GW WHITE HOUSE.

Like most aspects of cultural Marxism, for word-shaming to work everyone has to be threatened by it. Trump already has won because he has broken this barrier.

I knew Trump was the right man for the time during the New Hampshire primary. He was televised taking questions in some shitty town from people with dirt under their nails. Many of his answers were stream-of-consciousness blather but the point was he showed absolutely no fear as in none. I realized in that moment he would win and was the only Republican who could go on to victory.

644
EXACTLY!
Once again Ace puts into words precisely what I feel.
Trump fights back
end of story

Posted by: Bridgette Glover at May 28, 2016 05:03 PM (coVoB)

645
"I would also note that stripping the "Cool Kids" of power beings with denying they're the cool kids in the first place."

But that's the whole point: Leftists were NEVER the "cool kids". They were the picked-on misfits that everyone knows from their school years. They were so traumatized by the bullying that they received, that they never grew up, emotionally. That's why they seem so childish.

Why do you think that they're so obsessed with "bullying"?

The next time you see a Lefty on TV, try to imagine what they were like in school. In almost EVERY case, you can see the misfit that they were. It's really fascinating when you start looking at them that way.

And the bullying tactics worked so well on them, that they've decided to use them on their adversaries.

646
Screw you, Ace. You've made your distaste for Rubio clear, but don't go pissing in other conservative cheerios for supporting him. So we're somehow weak for going to college or some other anti-intellectual B.S.? I supported Rubio with eyes wide open, and am not surprised he knelt before Zod, either. I had no problem supporting Cruz either, but most of us didn't like his preening moralism. If you don't like Paul Ryan or Marco Rubio because of their immigration apostasy, that's your right. But don't fricking lecture the rest of us for not wanting to go down the alternate right road of hating and scapegoating immigrants for all our problems.

Posted by: Artemis at May 28, 2016 06:21 PM (M2aOb)

647
"Which is a great reason to run someone who is ACTUALLY favored by racists. Yeah, that will show them.

#smh"

I don't give a single fuck about who racists favor. Why do you? Are you ok with letting racists determine your vote?

Posted by: GalosGann at May 28, 2016 08:21 PM (md1b/)

648
"When it's fractured like this, and the GOP nominee is anathema to everything I believe, I can see the advantage in hoping to see the Libertarians get 10% of the vote, costing one or the other main parties a victory."

Except that's not how any of this works. You can't cost one of the major parties a victory by claiming 10% of the vote.

Here's what happens: The Libertarians lose, because they're very comfortable as losers. The GOP loses because you value the Purity of your Precious Bodily Fluids over the well-being of the actual country. And the Democrats win, roll back everything that you won in the previous election, and break even more stuff.

651
Amazingly CTRL-F brings me all the way down here beyond comment #650 w/o hitting a mention of "Gorilla Mindset".

I'm way older than all of you.Years ago I used to learn things from you folks here.You are now at least a year behind the curve, my old ass curve.

GET IN THE FUCKING GAME!

Posted by: S at May 28, 2016 10:37 PM (bHDPP)

652
Years ago I admitted to being a racist on the site that linked me here. My argument was that all races are racist. We all prefer to be with our own. So to admit to that, it took the fear away of being called a racist by SJW. It was no responded to by anyone on that site, and I'm not sure what that means, but I am much freer to speak.

Posted by: AHH!!! at May 29, 2016 01:57 AM (ycT+q)

653
"People are fucking tired of walking around on eggshells and being made to apologize for every fucking goddamn thing in the world."

Dude,

Sorry, but that's what Canada is for, eh?

Posted by: Ofay Cat at May 29, 2016 10:21 AM (E1MSK)

654
A very good analysis of the rise of Trump. Also explains the early days of Christie. The problem with both of them is, they aren't conservative either. That will come back to bite us.