Satan Statue to be unveiled in Detroit

Their Freedom of Religion ends where another's begin. If they try to make satanic rituals or satanic prayers at school a law then that is just as
unconstitutional as if any other religion did it.

Instead of the government becoming like Rome, full of statues, why not just keep it secular? Then again, there would be another problem. I think there
are some Pagan gods made on the design of some government buildings.

The Supreme Court building has a frieze with all kinds of lawgivers including some religious ones like Moses and some secular like Hammurabi. Clearly
in that frieze the intent is history of law, not religion. So are the religious references wrong there?

Interesting take on my opinion. What I am trying to point out is what we were taught in Sunday school about 40 years ago is coming true. No I am not a
religious zealous ;but as a child we attended church and they said the majority someday would worship Satan.

“No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a
Luciferian Initiation.”
David Spangler
Director of Planetary Initiative at the United Nations

I'm not the religious type, but even I see the writing on the wall. Even if we don't believe in this stuff... they do.

I would say...ABOUT FREAKIN TIME!!! Look around you at what is going on in our world, our country. Look at the corruption, the enemy encroaching
from all sides and many of us not only allowing it, but at times celebrating it or at least making excuses for it. It is only fitting that a statue
to what we obviously worship be erected. We have lost our morality, our values and have accepted evil for many years now. God and religion are
treated as oppressive jokes, honor and honesty is treated as stupidity and we live under the rule of a wanna-be dictator. Why keep hiding what we
have become. We are the little tools of the Devil...why is anyone surprised to see a statue? I'm frankly shocked you haven't done so long before
now.

originally posted by: Learningman
So much speculation, untruth and jumping to conclusions, when all the information speculated on is freely available, on a site with a motto of deny
ignorance...

The Satanic Temple is not to be confused with the church of Satan, although both use the biblical figure as a symbol of their respective branches of
humanism.

The Baphomet is NOT Satan, the statue is NOT the christian devil.

It IS a rather blatant and (in my oppinion) cheap marketing gimmick, to draw attention, which it is succeeding in.

The Satanic Temple's tenets are not secret and easily accessed online, but for those who dont wish to seek, or those who revel in alarmism, it boils
down to this.

The usage of self evident morals, as opposed to those put forth by spiritual religions, (with the majority being the same,) with the one difference
being that as a human being you are to blame or praise for your actions, and cannot claim you did evil in a deitys name, but rather you did it
because you are immoral, and you do good not because you are told it is good, but because you feel or know it to be good. (sorry for the awful and
long sentance!)

Another tenet, if you wish to call it so, is that blind belief should not overshadow scientific fact or truth, nor should religion dictate morals that
(under the satanic temple) areonly of importance to the individual (i.e. abortion/circumsicion/euthanasia).

That the body is yours, not god given, and as long as you do not cause alarm, injury or loss to another (yes abortion does involve another life, but
im not saying it is a flawless philosophy, by any means) then others have no standing to dictate what you can or cannot do based on their own
values.

I understand Christians will jump on the fact that many humanist groups use the term Satan, and imagery from pre-aramaic religions/cultures as proof
they represent the evil and foul, and im sure said groups rely on that for publicity, but it is merely a symbol or metaphor for self
responsibility.

Humans have done great and awful things, often in the name of God (any, not just the judeo-christian), but many humanist or 'satanic' groups have
founded for themselves a religion with no higher power, and therefore any ills or great works they do, they attribute to their self evident moral
compass.

I know i sound like im being nasty and condescending but i really dont mean to, and i hope the followers of Christ such as the op dont worry
themselves unduly.

But to recap, Baphomet is NOT satan, and (at least this 'satanic' temple*) do not believe in any deity. Admittedly a cheap shot, but far from the only
group to take one.

*although i know of none, i am not arrogant enough to think that everyone who claims to be a member of any 'Satanic' church does in fact not believe
in a deity, there may well be people who worship the biblical satan and believe in the judeo-christian God.

No real "Satanist" believes in a deity or God. It is simply a chosen symbol to express themselves and represent a made-up being that comes close to
their beliefs. Yes...I know personally. As you said, it is no big secret for anyone who wants to learn. Calling oneself a Satanist is more for
shock value than the truth...they are much more of a Humanist. As for the nut cases that actually believe there is a physical devil...keep making
asses of yourselves. It's fun to watch.

I understand the moral majority is against the statue, my concern is how long will it take for a satanic temple to pop up in every city. Just think
of all the taboos through out history that are now main stream.

Are you saying that we should stop a religious organization from opening congregations in the United States?

Sign me up! I am all for that one. Where is the line forming?

As far as I can tell the so called satanists have killed a few chickens(waaaay less than KFC) and maybe possibly killed a few people over the years.
Compare that to how many people the organized religions of the world have killed and I would welcome a satanic church on every corner; lots less
killing going on there.

originally posted by: Learningman
So much speculation, untruth and jumping to conclusions, when all the information speculated on is freely available, on a site with a motto of deny
ignorance...

The Satanic Temple is not to be confused with the church of Satan, although both use the biblical figure as a symbol of their respective branches of
humanism.

The Baphomet is NOT Satan, the statue is NOT the christian devil.

It IS a rather blatant and (in my oppinion) cheap marketing gimmick, to draw attention, which it is succeeding in.

The Satanic Temple's tenets are not secret and easily accessed online, but for those who dont wish to seek, or those who revel in alarmism, it boils
down to this.

The usage of self evident morals, as opposed to those put forth by spiritual religions, (with the majority being the same,) with the one difference
being that as a human being you are to blame or praise for your actions, and cannot claim you did evil in a deitys name, but rather you did it
because you are immoral, and you do good not because you are told it is good, but because you feel or know it to be good. (sorry for the awful and
long sentance!)

Another tenet, if you wish to call it so, is that blind belief should not overshadow scientific fact or truth, nor should religion dictate morals that
(under the satanic temple) areonly of importance to the individual (i.e. abortion/circumsicion/euthanasia).

That the body is yours, not god given, and as long as you do not cause alarm, injury or loss to another (yes abortion does involve another life, but
im not saying it is a flawless philosophy, by any means) then others have no standing to dictate what you can or cannot do based on their own
values.

I understand Christians will jump on the fact that many humanist groups use the term Satan, and imagery from pre-aramaic religions/cultures as proof
they represent the evil and foul, and im sure said groups rely on that for publicity, but it is merely a symbol or metaphor for self
responsibility.

Humans have done great and awful things, often in the name of God (any, not just the judeo-christian), but many humanist or 'satanic' groups have
founded for themselves a religion with no higher power, and therefore any ills or great works they do, they attribute to their self evident moral
compass.

I know i sound like im being nasty and condescending but i really dont mean to, and i hope the followers of Christ such as the op dont worry
themselves unduly.

But to recap, Baphomet is NOT satan, and (at least this 'satanic' temple*) do not believe in any deity. Admittedly a cheap shot, but far from the only
group to take one.

*although i know of none, i am not arrogant enough to think that everyone who claims to be a member of any 'Satanic' church does in fact not believe
in a deity, there may well be people who worship the biblical satan and believe in the judeo-christian God.

Bumped for well said.

Plus,
Satan/ Lucifer:

Yeah, Baphomet garners more negative hyper attention than the depiction of Lucifer above.

I try to avoid the 'no true Scotsman' but you are pretty much bang on, in my opinion.

I did remember this morning though, a few teens who committed murder claiming to be devil worshipers, but as you and anyone not actively seeking
alarm/fearmongering can see it has as much to do with these branches of humanism as the mentalists who get committed for murder and arson because the
heard 'God' talking to them in their head does to true Christianity.

While it is to be expected that these parralells will draw the fearful crowd, it does not make it true.

Things such as Konduits post show the grasp at straws to be offended mentality, which I assume comes from being a deep believer in religion/magic, as
the simple and true facts are the tarot card dubbed devil IS a take on the Baphomet, but its exactly that, not the other way round. When Christianity
was proselytizing in Europe and other so called 'pagan' religions they used the imagery in often negative ways, such as the Baphomet, or even Pan
being absorbed into the cloven hoofed goat of mendes Satan figure.

The 'devil' tarot card depicts Baphomet as the devil, but this does not mean that the Baphomet is the devil, rather that Christianity demonized the
old ways as a form of power assertion and control

I dont wish to sound disparaging but i see many Christians jumping to conclusions because or confirmation bias.

I would understand any religion being upset about another religion erecting statues, but even with the shock metaphor of using another religions
figures as a symbol of rebellion, it still does not make it logical to assume that the constructs of their own religion prove The Satanic Temple to be
anything to do with Lucifer whatsoever outside of theatrics.

** an edit, can some theologian show where in the Bible it describes satan as anything but beautiful? Specifically as a goat legged, bi-horned
anthropomorphic figure often stylised as embracing duality? Not artworks from later periods? If you cannot it is because it is a bastardisation of
Baphomet, not the devil as described in scripture (light bringer, morningstar etc.) **

This content community relies on user-generated content from our member contributors. The opinions of our members are not those of site ownership who maintains strict editorial agnosticism and simply provides a collaborative venue for free expression.