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Mir may very well be ready for 14.10. It will only be replacing X afterall, which is already a clusterf*ck..

Hey... X has it's flaws, but whatever else can be said of it, it's been providing a working Linux desktop for decades. That's a hell of a high bar for anything to replace, which is why until recently, none of the attempts to replace it have come close to succeeding...

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Hey... X has it's flaws, but whatever else can be said of it, it's been providing a working Linux desktop for decades. That's a hell of a high bar for anything to replace, which is why until recently, none of the attempts to replace it have come close to succeeding...

X is simply the biggest design mistake in the history of *nixes. It is against KISS, violates UNIX-way (just like systemd does :P), creates a lot of stupid bugs (mostly security bugs - e. g. screensaver handling), is complicated and primitive at once and kills little kittens. Should be replaced by sth. Wayland/Mir-alike years ago.

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X is simply the biggest design mistake in the history of *nixes. It is against KISS, violates UNIX-way (just like systemd does :P), creates a lot of stupid bugs (mostly security bugs - e. g. screensaver handling), is complicated and primitive at once and kills little kittens. Should be replaced by sth. Wayland/Mir-alike years ago.

Oh please, throwing UNIX-way argument against systemd is tiresome. systemd is made for Linux, not UNIX like.

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UNIX-way is our tradition. Why? Because it just works. Single responsibility principle is crucial in Linux world (that's why Linux took over servers and supercomputer - it is easy to maintain and you're not bouded to any set of softwar, you can change parts of your system at your will).

And systemd is so violent to this Tradition as if pope supported gay marriage. I don't want to hear about both X is anti-Tradition too, and with Wayland and Mir we are hopefully going back to our roots - simple, easy to maintain programs, not bloated monolithic combines.

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UNIX-way is our tradition. Why? Because it just works. Single responsibility principle is crucial in Linux world (that's why Linux took over servers and supercomputer - it is easy to maintain and you're not bouded to any set of softwar, you can change parts of your system at your will).

And systemd is so violent to this Tradition as if pope supported gay marriage. I don't want to hear about both X is anti-Tradition too, and with Wayland and Mir we are hopefully going back to our roots - simple, easy to maintain programs, not bloated monolithic combines.

It would be nice to keep the current topic out of anything related to religion to avoid endless loop.
Back to the the point, does UNIX-way mean blindly following the principle by copying the flaws in practice like sysv or being inspired by its principle? systemd is about the latter. You can built it without using all options.

In fact the design of systemd as a suite of integrated tools that each have their individual purposes but when used together are more than just the sum of the parts, that's pretty much at the core of UNIX philosophy.