Monday, 27 July 2009

Thats what Field Marshal Haig Said As Well

Mr Brown insisted that the mission had not been "in vain" despite the deaths of 20 British troops over the past month.

"The efforts of our troops in Helmand have been nothing short of heroic," Mr Brown told the Evening Standard. "There has been a tragic human cost. But this has not been in vain."

Mr Brown said it was now time to "commemorate" the British troops who have died in Afghanistan.

What crap

Do we hold the ground that has been fought over ? or have UK Landforces pulled back to the bases allowing the Afghans to retake the ground.

What are our war aims (Not the old one about 'not firing a shot')

What are our extraction goals

The truth is that we have to talk to the Taliban, and they will share power in the Afghan Government. Milliband has admitted that.

Before anybody goes and starts any more wars of agression in somebody elses country, get them to read a few History Books about previous wars fought there from Alexander through to the Raj, through to the Russian occupation.

"what are our extraction goals?"you ask. Here's a clueAccording to www.embassyofafghanistan.orgSome of the world's purest iron ore deposits huge reserves of gold,copper,and rare metals I cannot prounounce or spell. That is apart from all the rubies emaralds and saffiresUrban11

I whole-heartedly endorse what you say, with one proviso, discussions should not take place with the current government. Nor the next, mediators should be used from an independent country.The country, like many in Africa lacks several hundred years of social development (Africa is generally considered to be 600 years behind, Afghanistan certainly more).

A peace needs to be brokered, but not at any price, which is what I fear would happen were this government of talentless twats let loose to address the problem.They can't support the effort properly let alone be entrusted to find the peace.

The problem is that we should never have gone in with massed troops on the ground in the first place - all eventualities are shit because of that rushed and stupid decision.

If the plan was to destroy AQ training camps a combination of intelligence, special forces and some very large bombs would have done the trick.

If the idea is to get rid of the Taliban then the best approach would have been to offer the opium farmers a legal market for their wares - that at least could still be done. This would cut off the Taliban's main source of funding. Give the farmers a decent living legitimately selling the only crop they can grow in that god damned shit-hole. And sort out the world shortage of opium! Win, win, win.

None of that is rocket surgery but for whatever reason non of this has ever even been considered by our glorious leaders.

IMO Best we could do now is get the massed troops out asap and implement some of the above.

We should be coating the whole of Afghanistan with a goodly layer of chemical and biological substance that destroys life. full stop. If we are not prepared to do that, then we should bring all of our troops home, so they can protect us from the heathen hordes that are swamping the civilised world. Get rid of the fifth column in our midst (socialists and muslims) and defend our borders with lethal force. maybe then we can begin to resume a civilised lifestyle.

If the local economy revolves around the poppy business (which is booming) and there is a world shortage of medical opiates such as diamorphine, why the hell does the UN not just buy up the crop? No more pissed-off farmers, illegal supply of heroin cut to a trickle, it's a no-brainer, yet no politician or Government seems to support it. Why not?

To be governed is to be watched, inspected, spied upon, directed, law-driven, numbered, regulated, enrolled, indoctrinated, preached at, controlled, checked, estimated, valued, censured, commanded, by creatures who have neither the right nor the wisdom nor the virtue to do so. To be governed is to be at every operation, at every transaction noted, registered, counted, taxed, stamped, measured, numbered, assessed, licensed, authorized, admonished, prevented, forbidden, reformed, corrected, punished. It is, under pretext of public utility, and in the name of the general interest, to be placed under contribution, drilled, fleeced, exploited, monopolized, extorted from, squeezed, hoaxed, robbed; then, at the slightest resistance, the first word of complaint, to be repressed, fined, vilified, harassed, hunted down, abused, clubbed, disarmed, bound, choked, imprisoned, judged, condemned, shot, deported, sacrificed, sold, betrayed; and to crown all, mocked, ridiculed, derided, outraged, dishonoured. That is government; that is it's justice; that is its morality.