With the EU membership of Israel and Palestina, the question of settlements in the West Bank can be addressed according to the solution for Cyprus. Well, I'm not politician but there are many possible variants.

I wish Israel would join the European Union. Germany and Austria would support the candidate. In the long term, Israel is more secure in Europe. Israel fears could be alleviated by connecting to the European Union. The future of the Palestinians on Israel's side could be specified in the negotiations for joinig the Europian Union.
Perhaps for the Palestinians is the prospect of being EU citizens, even attractive. I am not a Jew, my parents are German and fled from the Nazis to South America, as many Jews as well. I can understand Israel's situation, although they are currently not everybodys darling. I think Israel should consider the option of joining the European Union. If Merkel is serious about the responsibility for Israel, it can happen quickly (of course if the others EU countries agree as well).

I totally agree with you. They should certainly join the EU and also relocate to Europe. Locating the Jews in Asia was a mistake made by the colonial powers. Surely 6 million people can be settled in the EU. It is approximately the same number that were killed by the Germans. Good idea, South American.

I wish Israel would join the European Union. Germany and Austria would support the candidate. In the long term, Israel is more secure in Europe. Israel fears could be alleviated by connecting to the European Union. The future of the Palestinians on Israel's side could be specified in the negotiations for joinig the Europian Union.

There is only one way for Israel to be secured - It is when Israel is the one responsible for it. To the avail of many - it is!

After 2000 years you can't kick around the Jew anymore. Now they can block an aggression when faced by one.

Now drowns can go after rocket launching squads, and the Iron Dome can shoot down rockets that made it and were launched.

Now Jews can take refuge in Israel when faced with anti-Semitism in France, and I do acknowledge France's government actions against anti-Semitism. But French Jews HAVE A CHOICE – to depend on a European government's protection, or go to Israel. Jews have a choice.

Why did Jews get kicked out of so many countries? Any connection to their bragging that God chose THEM above all others...and that goyim are beneath contempt?

Why were Jews "chosen" in Germany, too: led to camps and ovens by other Jews? Are Holocaust survivors shamed/jealous that Palestinians have endure while not succumbing?

Why did "life-loving" Jews kill their own kids at Masada?

See, it's pretty easy to demonize a group.

By demonizing Arabs, Israel also demonizes Jews. Claiming to be home to all Jews, incarnating Judaism, it's natural for the world to hold Jews collectively responsible for Israel's misdeeds.

Jews who fail to speak up will be viewed as "Good Germans," doing nothing when things worsened.

The USSR lasted just 69 years. Israel, hopefully, will disappear sooner. Then the world will be safer. A pushy, belligerent, eternally arrogant and parasitic entity will be gone. Then Jews can live wherever they want... provided they play nice.

A bunch of Semites, the majority of whom are extremely religious, want to bomb each other into smithereens over some religious nonsense. Halal, kosher. Salaam, shalom. They're the same people, and they're a bunch of idiots. Strictly control the women, make everybody sycophantically respect the rich/priest caste, kill yourself to defeat your enemies... Where, here is the difference between Jew and Arab? Nowhere. They're the same people. And they're freaking morons.

Y'all Israelis and Arabs keep blowing each other up. I won't shed any tears. You are stupid, very stupid people, hiding your stupidity behind a lie you call faith. Maybe the rest of us will get lucky, and you will all die, and we who are not so stupid can just grab your lands and resources after you are dead. Or maybe you will see the light, and the world will be a better place.

Oh, we are hunbled by your mastery of history, and your perceptive understanding of genealogy and religion...whatever you say, "dude"... we should just nuke them gol'darn A-rab towel heads and them Jews dude...they be all the same anyways, man...

God, what Kentucky red neck bar, or Appalachian settlement did you emerge from?

No wonder your ancestors used to lynch dark skinned people in the deep south..

Aren't you ashamed to show your redneck lack of knowledge on the board here?

No wonder Europe got rid of people of your intelligence in the 19th century...

Well said. The scriptures of all the region's religions (Christianity, Islam and Judaism) are identical - what is the fight about?? It cannot be religion. Therefore, it must be racist - there is a huge similarity between the (demised) South African apartheid regime and Israel's government. With Mandela, the whites were very lucky in South Africa - no reprisals, no violence. I do not think that the Israelis will be so lucky. May God have mercy on their sinful souls.

Perhaps not a bad option, provided the playing field is evened. We've supported one side all along. It's like a fight between Mike Tyson and Woody Allen where we not only give great food and training to Mike, we starve Woody. Then we tie one hand behind Allen's back, throwing him in the ring blind-folded after bribing the referee.

Some "fair" fight!

So lets give Arabs equal money and weapons and training. THEN see how eager Israel is. It always starts fights, but only against weaker others. When the IDF meets anyone with even minimal fighting skills it loses (Egypt, Lebanon, etc.). Then it cries to Uncle Sucker to rescue it with money, weapons, and other support. In thanks, Israel spies on us, sells enemies our defense secrets, murders sailors on the USS Liberty, and kills activists like Rachel Corrie.

Truly a heinous "blight unto the nations."

Also, remember atop your high horse: not 90 years after liberating ourselves from Great Britain, we Americans slaughtered each other en masse. We're not exactly newcomers to spilling blood. We've done more than our fair share of butchering others whose land/resources we coveted.

Professor Norman Finkelstein has the moral courage to call the spade a spade.He has spent his entire academic career explaining to a scared Western audience what is the real face of Israel.
Anyone who dares to expose this is automatically dubbed an anti-Semite or self hating Jew.
True Prof Finkelstein has paid a heavy price for telling the truth.And it shows the real phony face of Western scholarship in so far Israeli horrendous crimes go!
I was fortunte to be present at the Lecure given by late Arnold Toynbee(world class historian).This was right after the 1956 Suez Canal aggreesive war launched jointly with Israel France and UK.
The merciless bombing of Alexandria and other Egyptian cities by Israel was condemned by Mr Toynbee.
His argument was that Israel claiming to be home of survivors of Nazi atrocities should have shown some humanity.
All hell broke among the Zionist circles.The resident Israeli envoy in the country wanted to debate Mr Toynbee.Like any typical zionist jamboree all the cheerleaders hounded Toynbee with facile argument.Toynbee all by himself batted those salvos alone.In the end Israeli envoy admitted Israel is mucuh like any other country!
So what happened to the claim Israel to be light unto nations of the world???

Well then, maybe you should call for England and France to be dismantled for their past imperialist crimes and handed over to the poor innocent Muslims the eternal victims of history. Oh, I forgot Israel is the only country in the world calls for whose dismantlement count as moral courage.

Why this Jewish childish preoccupation with the Holocaust? Between 1858 and 1903 the British killed more than 30 million Indians through starvation (Piers Brendon "Decline and Fall of the British Empire"). Do you hear us whining on and on and on and on and stealing other people's land? And poisoning all debate? Get a life. Grow up. Other people have died. What is so special about you?

You refer to "the Holocaust" as if it is a fact. The Holocaust is the second most absurd hoax after the al Qaeda kamikaze terrorist plot of September 11. It is also a diversion and a weapon. How else can one justify Israel or silence nasty talk about the real reasons for the Second World War and Bolshevism or the truly genocidal Morgenthau plan.

I'm not sure it's a hoax or not, but a lot of innocent people were killed, I know, my grandfather was there. The wrong thing I see in the killing is the name. HOLOCAUST is not a Jewish word, and nobody can use it as a name for themselves, there have been many massacres and they have to use the right name on each of them, Please Jews, don't take names to your favor. You offend the memory of many horrendous massacres that happened before and after you. Please stick to YOUR tragedy with dignity and name it properly. All big massacres were "holocausts" for humanity. Come on, I have German Jew blood, but before I chose what to be born, am a human being.

My previous post is too subtle for some; it is only a narrow response to “all the people of Planet Earth were ONE...no religion”.
By “we” I did not refer to Israel but in a generic way and the “ONE” in 2412 is defined by one race (via dominant/recessive traits) with dark skin, squinted eyes and without religion – ultimate harmony but still fighting.

Tzatz wrote: “...who (Filkelstein) wishes all the people of Planet Earth were ONE ... no religion ... no tribes ... no colour ...”, and may I add no mother language.

Agreed! But you have just identified the man made dividing pettiness. In a historical perspective we are on an unstoppable journey to that defining “ONE”. In the mean time we rebel and resist and fight for the righteousness of our religion, our race or our language. The forces of modern technologies and the dominant/recessive traits will eventually lead us to that “ONE”. The time will come when the world news will read this rarity: Some people in a small remote village in northern Sweden have blue eyes – calendar will read 2412.

You obviously did not take the time to read the piece from the Independent. It clearly shows how racist the Zionists are. In their eyes even Jews of a different color are second class and not worthy of sanctuary in Israel

We have that diversity now and that is why every world conflict and blood spilling is caused by that diversity. That is why I said each MAN MADE religion pretends to be the right one.

Please, provide some details for those “insane” deniers of the integrity of creation, with the emphasis on the “integrity”. I am not an atheist but you have no right to force your religion to others especially when it is only man made belief.

OF ALL THE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD, YOU SELECTED NORMAN FINKELSTEIN? HE HAS A "REPUTATION", WHICH ONLY SOME PEOPLE BUT MOST OF THE PRESS IS AWARE OF, THAT FRANKLY DISPENSES REVIEWING HIS PROPAGANDA BOOKS AIMED MAINLY AT AFFORDING HIM A RATHER MISERABLE LIVING.

THERE ARE, OF COURSE, MANY THAT SUPPORT FINKELSTEIN FOR OBVIOUS REASONS, BUT THIS IS NO EXCUSE FOR A PUBLICATION LIKE 'THE ECONOMIST' TO PROMOTE HIM AND HIS STRANGE IDEAS, EVEN IF DONE IN AN INDIRECT MANNER.

READING THE COMMENTS ALREADY POSTED, IT IS OBVIOUS THAT "THE CONVENIENT HATRED" IS ALIVE AND DOING QUITE WELL, EVEN THOUGH SLIGHTLY MORPHED INTO THE RATHER RECENT CONCEPT OF "ANTI-ISRAEL". AHMADINEJAD OUGHT TO BE PROUD OF NORMAN FINKELSTEIN AS ADOLF WOULD HAVE BEEN IF HE WERE ALIVE TODAY. SORRY, BUT THE TRUTH IS SELDOM PLEASANT.

For the Palestians, all israelis are Adolf. The party of decayed state. with Uncle Sam, is over. It is real. Thanks to Merkel positive financial rational not jumping to the fake wars.Time to celebrate rationality: in wars, occupation, and false standing of defending Israel. Arsenal era is over. People around the world now seeks job, food, and shelter.

If, as you say, "THE TRUTH IS SELDOM PLEASANT," doesn't that apply to you, too, Jaysonrex? Or are you immune to the kind of biased thinking that underlies the anti-Semitism you detect in critics of Israel? Could what you call “CONVENIENT HATRED” be nothing more than a “CONVENIENT EXCUSE” for dismissing criticism that hits home? Could tribal loyalty be blinding you to the “SELDOM PLEASANT” truths about Israel?

Poor Isaiah had the same problem as Norman Finkelstein, and for the same reason: he had to deal with people like you, Jasonrex. And like Finkelstein, Isaiah must have had a bad reputation for telling it like it is to people like you who refuse to listen. Consider this pointed gem: “Now go, write it on a tablet before them and inscribe it on a scroll, that it may serve for all time to come. For this is a rebellious people, lying children who refuse to heed the Torah of G-D. Who say to the seers, ‘See not.’ And to the prophets, ‘Prophesy not to us the truth. Tell us pleasant, deceitful things‘. ” (30:8-10)

Like Isaiah, Finkelstein refuses to tell you the pleasant, deceitful things you want to hear about Israel. So is he a prophet or an anti-Semite? And if he’s a self-hating Jew, doesn’t that make Isaiah one too?

Yeah that's what prophet Isaiah did, he joined the mob of wolves trying to devour his nation, he just kept telling them the unpleasent truth that their land is not theirs, that they should give it back to the Assyrians who are really the good guys, that the best thing for them is to stop caring for their fellow Isralites and abandon them to the enemy because anyone who is an enemy to the Jews is is always right and those poor Assyrnas rights should never be violated. Isaiah is just full of unpleasant truths of this kind.

Israel is built on bad faith. It is not what it says it is. Sadly the continued paranoia caused by the haulocaust has given Israel an unsupportable psychopathology. It doesn't matter that all of this may be unavoidable. It does mean, however, that Israel can never be anything other than a very sick country based more on irrational narcissistic fantasies, behaviors and demands rather than "a light unto nations".

How say you? It sounds like you are the one who is narcisstically sick and cannot see a complex situation for what it is. Where do you want to draw the historical line? Is Great Britain build on the bad faith of the Normans? Is the USA buildt on the bad faith of it's immigrants? Does not every nation carry some political/social culture? Israel has many political problems, but has managed to flourish despite impossible conditions. After 2000 years of exile (and despite a continuous presence in the area; It has been built on the backs of hard working people (not oil money); and it's creation was sanctioned by the UN. What are it's neighboors buildt on? Sultans, oil, and the Sword of Islam?

The Palestine is exploitated like Jews was exploitated by Germans of 1940's. It is real. It is about other nation. It is the great building of false premise of internationalism by israelism. The key word is human rights violation. It is a powerfulholic of little Israel. It is addictive. It is against rational thoughts ever.

When some US and European leaders whispered that Israel is so stubborn, it is real. The related problem is that the stubborness protected by nuclear. And irrational. Ready to splash a drug for narcisstic powerfulholic behaviour? Really dangerous stage of awareness of the book. It needs a new 3-D internationalsm leadership. A 100-times ban Ki moon- leadership. Seriously.

Unlike you, I can see both sides of the situation and I am capable of rational discussion; no doubt there are human rights violations by Israel in West Bank, but the Arabs are not innocent victims either; that is a point you are clearly not able to see. It's a very, very complicated sitation. But you are incapable of rational discussion about it. To compare Pals to Jews in Germany of 1940's (who were liquidated in whole) is ludicrous and only discloses your total irrationality.

"After 2000 years of exile (and despite a continuous presence in the area; It has been built on the backs of hard working people (not oil money); and it's creation was sanctioned by the UN."

No one believes the 'exile and return' myth anymore -- a Jew from Kiev was not originally from the Middle East, and thus, did not 'return'. No, they colonised. No more nonsense about European Jews 'returning' to Palestine. Like other Europeans, you are native to Europe.

As for a continued Jewish presence in the area -- the Jewish presence in Palestine has been TINY, compared with an overwhelming Christian and Muslim Arab presence. Your story is 90% myth, collected and then used as a nationalist blood and soil volk myth, much like other nation building myths of the 19th century. Read Shlomo Sand -- he tells the truth about your 'history'. Also read Israel Shahak about European Ashkenazi Jews in Europe.

Oh, and you built Israel on your own ? Who are you kidding? Israel receives millions daily from USA. Everyone knows that USA funds Israel with millions and millions of dollars of American tax payers money.

guest-iinsnws -- There are many, many parallels between the way Germans treated the Jews, Slavs and Gypsies, and the way Jews treat Palestinians nowadays.

Ethnic cleansing. Ghettos. Considered as 'non people'. Starving the populations. Land stealing. Ethnic targeting,group persecution and extreme racism. Racial supremacy. Blood and soil volk ideology ( Zionism).Collective punishment -- a Palestinian 'terror suspect's' family will have their house blown up and will be expelled. The Germans did the same.

The list goes on and on.

If you don't want to be compared to war time Germans, don't behave like them.

You proudly state that Israel's creation was sanctioned by the UN. However, for the past 3 decades the UN has been passing resolutions asking Israel to return illegally occupied land. Has Israel implemented even 1 UN resolution???

You obviously know nothing of history of the region or Jewish history. Israel was created to give a safe haven for Jews; true many lived in Europe, but they always had a connection to the land of Israel. If you cannot understand that, then you are ignorant. The region was severely underpopulated in the early 20th century. There was both Jewish and Arab immigration. Jews in Europe (especially Russia) experienced terrible pogroms; not to mention the disaster of the Nazis. I have relatives who experienced both, but were refused immigration to Israel by the British during WW2. By the way, Arabs supported the Nazi's. Many Jews fought for the Allies in WW2. Do you even know this simple fact? The UN mandate for Israel in '48 was for areas with a Jewish majority; do you know even this simple fact? The number of Arab refugees during the war of independence was about 600-700K. The number of Jews kicked out of Arab countries was about 800K. That is why before the recent wave of Russian Jews, there are more Jews of Arab decent then European Jews. You obviously deny any Jewish connection the land, so probably discussing with you is pointless. Both peoples need to share the land, I don't like restrictions on Pals, but if you were Israel, would you just withdraw from the occupied territories in the "hope" of not being attacked again? That would be suicide. To you the whole situation is "bad Israel". You are not a realist or have a balanced view of things. There are good people on both sides, but to see Israel as "evil" is not true and pathetic. True, America has supported Israel, but most of the money is really a military jobs program for the USA defense industry. If only a few percent of Israel budget is USA tax dollars, how can you say Israel was builtd by USA. Again, your views are unbalanced, but typical of many people.

99.9% of what you have written is European colonial propaganda, representative of other brainwashing stories of the era, when other Europeans were also making up similar stories to justify their stealing of other dark people's homes. The Americans had 'manifest destiny', in which the noble white man was ordained by God to dispel the dark savages and bring civilisation to the wild empty land; the Boer Afrikaners considered themselves to be the chosen people, on a Biblical quest to populate a savage land. Shlomo Sand explains the invention of Israel's national stories and volk-ish blood and soil ideology as being part of same kinds of 19th century colonial mythologies very common at the time.

The early Zionists made up that nonsense about a 'land without a people for a people without a land', but even at the time, some Zionists who reported back to Europe after visiting Palestine, made it clear that was just not true -- the land WAS fully populated with Arab Christians and Muslims , and a TINY, TINY percentage of Arab Jews and religious Jews, the latter of whom had NO INTEREST in establishing a state on others land. Religious Judaism, unlike secular Zionism, which is a typical blood and soil volk nationalism, OPPOSED a settler state -- and still does.

What you have written resembles white European colonial school books, representing a settler people desperate to validate their colonial venture, in an era when no one believes that stuff anymore. Israel is an anachronism, a state trying to make up history about itself in a time when no one would ever believe such stories. Anyone interested in the TRUE account of history should read Benny Morris, Illan Pappe, Israel Shahak, Yuri Szelezkine , Shlomo Sand, and Eric Hobsbawm, all very thorough Jewish historians representing the very nationalist right ( Morris ) , very pro Zionist, pro settler state ( Szlezkine) and the left wing ( Pappe ), the 19th century history of settler nationalism ( Shlomo Sand) and the neutral ( Eric Hobsbawm).

You know what? First convince the colonialist united states to dismantle and hand back their state to the indians. If Israel is an anachronism US must be a MEGA anachronism. When your done with the US consider coming to us with the same proposal.

You say:
'…a European peoples ( Zionist Jews) robbed an entire country in 1948 by cunning and violence and force of arms and they continue to hold on to it…'

Jews lived in Palestine since forever, and they have their right for self-determination like any other people, regardless of how few they were. Of course, they are free to invite whoever they like to into their country, particularly for fellow Jewish people who exercise their right for self-determination.

You say:
'No one believes the 'exile and return' myth anymore -- a Jew from Kiev was not originally from the Middle East, and thus, did not 'return'. No, they colonised. No more nonsense about European Jews 'returning' to Palestine.'

Genetics research rejects your claim, Joe. A recent research found that "The Jewish communities share much more (genetic information) between Jews rather than non-Jews in the same geographic area"

It also found that the genetic split between Sephardic Jews to Ashkenazi Jews started 2500 years ago, when the first exile to Babylon occurred.

It's hard to rely on the "international Community" when we are exposed to its impotence on a daily basis. The "International Community" is too busy passing resolutions, reproaching, rolling eyes, expressing dismay, deep concern, great worries but don't have the conviction to act decisively when required. All Israel has to do is look at its Northern neighbor, Syria, to understand that if it were ever in serious danger, it can only rely on itself. Not on the "International Community" and not even on the weakened American Empire who has been its ally (out of mutual interest) but whom at times have had opposing interests.

Finkelstein is hardly an objective academic. The fact that he happens to have a "Jewish" name has somehow landed him credibility. He is however an academic fraud who has prospered exactly because of his alleged "Jewishness" thus objectivity. He is a strong supporter of such democratic institutions as the ISM and is a supporter of such enlightened organizations as Hizbullah and Hamas, not exact beacons of democracy and promoters of world peace.

Really he supports these organizations? Any evidence? Maybe some 'good' Jews will say nice things for him. Will he struck of the register of 'good' Jews? Do you have the right connections to make this happen, for a small consideration?

You make poor old Israel appear vulnerable and weak and in danger -- Israel is also a massive nuclear power , one of the very few in the world who doesn't have to even declare they have these weapons.

Poor old harmless Israel -- they are involved in every dirty trick going -- it wouldn't surprise anyone anymore if they were actually playing their own part in destabilising their neighbours in Syria and Egypt. That is the only trick Israel knows. Screw up and mess up all the countries around them ( and further afield) to hold on to their own brute power.

" and is a supporter of such enlightened organizations as Hizbullah and Hamas, not exact beacons of democracy and promoters of world peace."

More utter lies -- I say again, LIES. Finkelstein has NEVER EVER supported Hamas, and as for Hezzbollah, Finkelstein is on record as saying he knows little about them, but he supports their RIGHT to defend their land against foreign aggression -- you may remember how much Lebanese citizens have been hammered into the ground by Israel over the years? Or perhaps you forgot the mass slaughter Israel has imposed on Lebanon over the years. Sabra and Chatila David?

Finkelstein has clearly stated knows little of their ideology, and he says that thier ideology is Lebanon's business, not his -- I repeat, he supports their right to DEFEND themselves against the hammer blows from Israel. And you know, I think you'll find many would sympathise too with the victims of Israel's endless violence.

I've never been accused of being naive...
American tax payers support regimes in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Lybia, the PA and Israel.
You must be naive if you think American foreign support is philanthropic in nature...They give money, so they can exert influence so that you can have 2 cars and some extra bedrooms in your over-sized suburban mac-mansion...(not you specifically, but your fellow americans...)

Israel pays a heavy price for accepting American foreign aid...and that is a loss of independence. I'm the first person who believes we would be better off without the aid, even if that means dealing with other countries and emerging super-powers...There are many voices in Israel who also feel that it's time to stop relying on American aid and explore new alliances... don't be so self-righteous in thinking you are giving us handouts...there are no free rides in this world and there is no giving without taking...

Israel is no different than any other country with its dirty tricks...it's called politics and it's the difference between people who feel self-righteous from the security of their living room thinking they live in a utopia and people whose job it is to secure a country's position...

Tzatz, how crude and vulgar of you to say that about Finkelstein, and man who lost every single member of his family besides his mother and father, to the Nazi death camps.

The holocaust was actually his main motivation in writing.

God, no wonder the pro Israeli side have been well and truly shown up for what they are -- you have no shame. You are Jewish, but show no respect at all to a man whose family actually died in the holocaust, and you actually use the holocaust to take a cheap shot.

David wrote -- "American tax payers support regimes in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Lybia, the PA and Israel."

Wow, you are in good company there then David -- each country you mentioned is corrupt and break human rights laws and regulations daily.

Saudi...God...very good chums for Israel and USA.

David said -- "Israel pays a heavy price for accepting American foreign aid...and that is a loss of independence. I'm the first person who believes we would be better off without the aid,"

Please do, please do separate from USA -- Israel wouldn't last very long if USA withdew all its support, and, if Americans really knew what Israel did with the money, millions of Americans would be horrified. But please, if you really want to -- then cut of the aid now. You'd be doing the world a favor if you want to go it alone for once. Truth is, Israel couldn't do it.

"even if that means dealing with other countries and emerging super-powers...There are many voices in Israel who also feel that it's time to stop relying on American aid and explore new alliances..."

No one else would do business with Israel except for the already bought and co orced and lobbied to death powers like USA, UK, Germany and maybe France -- if they withdrew their aid ( which they wouldn't, unfortunately) you'd be sunk.

Who else would be meshuga mad enough to ally with Israel? China? Korea? Hong Kong? They would never do it -- they know Israel is mad and a liabilty.

You're a Jew, aren't you?
Your problem with Israel is psychological. A strong Jew undermines your ghetto existence. The Jew should be weak and feeble like you, Finkelstein, Chomsky and Co...That's the epitome of a good Jew for you...

You probably still live with your 80 year-old mom and live off her social security benefits.
I wish you an ulcer as you continue to torment over Israel's policies... just think about me tanning on the Tel-Aviv beach, guilt-free, healthy and strong.

David says "Israel is no different than any other country with its dirty tricks...it's called politics"

No, but they are the only ones who pretend to be a light unto the nations, with a moral purity of arms and they are amongst those who never have to account for massive illegality and breaking of all human norms of decency and relentles breaking of UN laws and resolutions, all the while calling themselves the only democracy in the Middle East. Dirty tricks indeed -- Israel is the master of dirty tricks.

Now that's chutzpah.

You could at least be open and honest about it -- but -- wait a minute. In a way, Israel is actually honest about it, because we all know now what they are about...Israel has blown every norm of decency for so long now, the illusions are gone, and the naked aggression and macho spartan approach is there for all to see. Beat the Arabs up at the check points, burn their mosques, kill them at demonstrations, imprison them, and ghettoise them, shoot them, control their resources, steal what little land they have left...

Wow -- so -- walling yourself into yet ANOTHER ghetto, but in Israel now instead of Kiev or Krakow, separating yourself from the goyim by GHETTO WALLS as you have done in Israel -- now, that is a great way to 'solve' anti Semtism isn't it.

Create more ghetto walls to enclose not only the unruly Arab goyim, but yourselves too.

And I thought Israel was a way for Jews to be safe. It doesn't sound that safe to me.

In my view Israel is yet another example of trying to solve one problem by creating an even bigger problem. History is replete with examples. The creators must then find face saving explanations for there actions. Woe unto any one who questions the correctness or validity of such actions.

In no other country does "politics" (dirty tricks as named by you) - result in the mass exodus, ghettoization, denial of human rights and freedoms, summary arbitrary imprisonment without trial or cause, nor subject daily to physical, psychological and emotional grinding down of an entire nation reduced to ekeing out however they can inside a barrier this "politics" has built...

Please post anything and celebrate the belongings of Israel now is only Arsenal. The Morality, mentality, irrationnal friendship are vanished. We are matadors. Do you want to attack rational community? Mirroring EU now.

You are nutty fruit cake! A blind supporter of Israel.Lest you have noticed the world is getting sick and tired of such drabbles!
Norman Finkelstein for your info lost both his parents to Nazi death camps!
What he loaths most is the commercialisation of holocaust!
That rattles folks the likes of you and Allan Dershowitz who is an embarassment to scholarship!!!

Interesting. One book has the potential to make Israel start considering it does not have friends it can trust -"who when they speak out MAY have a point worth heeding"!!!? Am I the only one here left bemused by this and the last 60 years of historical facts that prove equivocally that Israel does as Israel wishes regardless and demands everyone fall in line and endorse/accede (as indeed incidentally they have?)

does this mean Israel truly never had any friends as it is Oft inclined to state whenever noted with its hands bloodied?

O come, come ! Surely you protest too much, and lie like a serpent. A nation created by thuggery by the white ruling nations, to rule the Arabs as a surrogate overseer, pampered, coddled and swaddled by it's supporters in Europe and the US, and you have the nerve to say you did it all yourself? Well, as we say, ...... whatever, dude !!

You are in the la la land of 1000 Arabian nights (of fiction and self delusion)
Iran is already under attack - you just don't know it.

Israel (and other western countries) are using their advanced technology and massive know how to the do the attack. No need to use military force against the Mullahs. Brave People of Iran will get rid of this regime soon.

Well Levy, that's fine -- but when I see Israel fight a war on its own for once, then I will believe it -- Israel usually gets other nations' young men to die for it, instead of fighting itself.

Here's a question for you -- how many Israeli soldiers went to fight in Iraq or Afghanistan?

No, Israel prefers to get the goyim to do the dirty work.

Somehow, I can't see Israel using its own soldiers/airmen to attack Iran -- if you can't get the goyim to do it, it won't happen. And if Israel can't even beat Lebanon, and if Israel can't even contain stone throwing rebels in Gaza, what makes you think they'd have a chance against a highly trianed , highly motivated Iranian nation?

And, if the Iranians get rid of their own regime, what makes you think for one single moment they are going to be pro Israeli? They will be just as anti Israel as the present regime.

Don't kid yourself -- Israel's only 'friends' are bought and lobbied politicians with no morality, and redneck racist American preachers.

I will add, if Syria falls, who stands to profit? Oh, that's a surprise -- Israel.

Goyim will have done another little task -- for Israel.

And if Egypt is further subverted and ruled again by another tyrannical nut case, either of the military, pro USA or extreme religious persuasion, who stands to profit? Oh, that's a surprise -- Israel.

You say:
'I will add, if Syria falls, who stands to profit? Oh, that's a surprise -- Israel.'

How can you be so sure? - Suppose the lawlessness opens yet another Israeli border for infiltrations of terrorists, border that since 1973 was predominantely quite?

You say:
'And if Egypt is further subverted and ruled again by another tyrannical nut case, either of the military, pro USA or extreme religious persuasion, who stands to profit? Oh, that's a surprise -- Israel.'

The newly elected President Muhamad Mursi just declared today that he wishes to strengthen relations with Iran. How good is this for Israel?

You say:
'Goyim will have done another little task -- for Israel.'

Looking at every event in the spectacles of how Israel controls it is even beyond the Elder of Zion's blood libel. I would recommend professional consultation, Joe.

It is unfortunate that Finkelstein was denied tenure because of his political position. This kind of bullying does not enhance respect among the American public for the Jewish cause.

Related quote from the article: "A campaign by a Harvard academic, Alan Dershowitz, who is one of Israel’s staunchest supporters, contributed to Mr Finkelstein being denied tenure at DePaul University in 2007 and ultimately resigning. He has been jobless since."

Igor,
One more time. N.F. was denied the tenure, not because of his political views. It was rather, due to his manner of expressing difference of opinion with other academics - by personal insults and denigration. ONE DOES NOT DO THAT

He is known for his virulent support of the Palestinians (himself a Palestinian), and his anti-Israeli views - just as much as Finkelstein does. YET, he never ever insults other professors on personal level (calling them, lairs & goons) - not even to his own pro-Israeli students who publicly object to his one-sided views on the Arab-Israeli conflict.

No respected university wants to have an educated staff who demonstrates street level mentality.

Very simple. In NF twisted mind. to get legitimacy for his academic views, he picks some of the most prominent scholars to discredit - not through academic critical thinking (which we all come to expect).

The problem is, he is like an immature child - picks on typo-errors in other scholars books to discredit the entire book, or worse yet, the author himself.

Here is a vivid example to what I am referring to. An polemic between these two academic shown on Youtube. watch how Norm is carrying himself, and be the judge.

Now Dershowitz approved of torture knowing that only Muslims would be on the receiving end. Even the Gestapo was more inclusive. They laid into Jews, Gypsies and anyone else they could find. I guess Muslims were hard to find then. So, this Dershowitz is a lame brained traitorous putz.

You just can't stop reeling out your brainwashed propaganda Levy -- you are so far behind everyone else -- no one beleieves any of that stuff anymore. Except a small handful of European Jews, and -- unfortunately -- a lot of brainwashed white American Christians, who support Israel.

The irony is, those white Christians who support Israel are actually classic anti Semites, who hate Jews -- they only support Israel since it plays a part in their deluded apocalyptic fantasys about returning Christian messiahs.

The white Christians who support Israel are the kinds of people who, seventy years ago were the rednecks lynching blacks and praying no Jews would move to their areas.

OMG ! On Arab escaped the reservation. Quick ! Waterboard him and lock up his relatives and blackmail him into recanting everything including his soul. Hmm ! Someone else used to do that too, in the 1930's. And look where we are now.

How can I be the liar and brainwashed, when you are the one who demonstrates this characteristics.

You accused me of lying about N.F's parents who refused to receive monetary compensation offered to them from the Geman's. And I proved it from Finkilesten's own website, that was ture.

YOU are the one who is the liar.

You are the one with hate filled posts "White Europan Jews" garbage.

You are the one who lies about Eli Wiesel experience about the Holocaust - despite the fact, he was awarded the highest honor (Nobel prize) for his work & experience - recognized by (the level headed) world community.

You are the one who has no single bone of decency and sense of cultural - shoot from the hip with blind hatred and unfounded allegation.

You are the garbage - not me. All I am trying to do here, is present my country's ( Israel) side of the story. It is up to otthers to accept or not accept.

Levy wrote -- "You are the one with hate filled posts "White Europan Jews" garbage."

I like people, and I love all ethnic groups,from the palest of white people, to the deepest blue black skinned people, and I have as high an opinion of European Jews as I do any other ethnic group -- and I hold them to the same standards as any other group. And it looks hypocritical to me when a Jew from Krakow or Moldova or Switzerland pretends to have more rights to land he has no ethnic connection to whatsoever, than an Arab who has been there for thousands of years.

this is one of the most pseudo remarks on this page!
dr. finkelstein is "not educated" and shows "street level mentality".
and the slobbering hatemonger dershowitz is up to the stadards of a "respected" university....my astrolab!

The hysterical attacks on Norman Finkelstein may be an attempt to lend credence to his watered down criticism of Israel. For the unvarnished truth, investigate "Jewish Tribal Review," "Jews Not Zionists," Neturei Karta, Benjamin Freedman, Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl, Naiem Giladi, "Holohoax 101 - The Fundamentals of the Holocaust Hoax," and "Exposing the Holocaust Hoax Archive."

I don't understand this review. You repeatedly praise the author for thoroughly debunking myths and propaganda, mention how fighting his fight cost him a lot personally and seem to imply that you side with him on every important point without explicitly saying so (after all you don't refute anything he actually says).

But then you don't endorse his book because he comes across as being a bitter man (isn't that understandable after being unemployed for 5 years?).

So it's controversial to point out that Israel uses the Holocaust for political purposes? I've known that Israel has used it for years, it's obvious that Israel would. Any nation which could use it would do so. I think there's so much a sense of guilt over the Holocaust combined with Israel = Jewish democracy while Middle East in general = authoritarian Arab that we're being prevented from pointing out common sense.

If you read, or watch Arab religious leaders, and Pals themselves. Read PLO, Hamas & Hizbollah's charters- all spoken and written in Arabic, and translated to English, You will find the answer to your contention Israel using the Holocaust".

Israel is merely echoing what these Muslims clergies promise, and teach their children to do it to Jews - yet again.

I just love how anything, ANYTHING, about Israel is either automatically for or against Israel. That nation is the bane of reasonable discourse because everything a person says must either be approving or disapproving. If I had said the exact same paragraph but exchanged Israel for South Sudan or Armenia or Tibet would people so irrationally decide that I was absolutely taking a side?

I point out reality. I am currently studying for a higher degree in political science and I consider it my responsibility to continue pointing out what I consider to be the most realistic interpretation of world events, no matter whether or not the general public likes what I have to say. If you don't like it, go back to reading children's literature and stay out of discussions on world politics.

Levy wrote -- "Israel is merely echoing what these Muslims clergies promise, and teach their children to do it to Jews - yet again."

Yet again? Yet again? Levy, what are you talking about -- it was EUROPEAN gentiles that created anti -Semitism, and it was EUROPEAN gentiles that carried out the pogroms and the holocaust on EUROPEAN Jews. Why don't you read some history? Arab and African and Berber and Persian Jews lived AT PEACE amongst other Arabs/Persians, for 3,000 years. In fact, Arab Jews THRIVED and flourished in the Arab world. Muslims gave Jews sanctuary when the Jews were suffering under European Christian rule.

Read your history -- you are persecuting and imprisoning Arabs in misguided vengeance for what EUROPEAN anti-Semites did to EUROPEAN Jews.

Arabs gave Jews sanctuary, and a settled place in society for 3,000 years.

Stop propagandising, and read some history, please.

For a start, read the recent Jewish Chronicle article on the subject, and I quote, "Islam saved Jewry. This is an unpopular, discomforting claim in the modern world. But it is a historical truth. The argument for it is double. First, in 570 CE, when the Prophet Mohammad was born, the Jews and Judaism were on the way to oblivion. And second, the coming of Islam saved them, providing a new context in which they not only survived, but flourished, laying foundations for subsequent Jewish cultural prosperity - also in Christendom - through the medieval period into the modern world. "

Yeah Joe,
I did study the history, and the eventual fate of those Jews who lived in Khybar (today Saudi Arabia).

Only a person with twisted logic would take a documented crime committed by Mohammad, whom had wiped out 3 Jewish Tribes, and term it "saved them". These innocent Jews who lived there for hundreds of years, they minded their own business - and paid the ultimate price, because they refused to follow an illiterate made, and chose to keep their own religion and heritage.

And you call this "saved the Jews"?

The only way Jews could live in the region, they were forced to pay excessive tax (Jyza) to the Muslims thugs. and treated as 3rd citizens.

Give it a break, guy. It is the Germans who really whacked you. But if you pick on them, you will lose the support of the Americans who are really of German extraction, in the majority. So, they gave you a piece of desert to cry in, and to kick the crap out of Arabs with Western know how. Now make whatever story you want to. No one in any position of power believes you. As for the Arabs, they will pay the price for being weak. So, any difference between you guys and the National Socialists of Germany?

I am at a disadvantage, since I do not understand Arabic, and even if I did, I would need to live in an Arabic speaking country for many years to gain a proper perspective. This article might be useful, however.

Conspiratorial Jews are to blame for anti-Semitism, including Zionists, Bolsheviks and even the Nazis, and ordinary Jews were among the greatest victims on a percentage basis.

This is a quote from "Ten Questions to the Zionists," by Rabbi Michael Dov Weissmandl:

These Zionist "statesmen" with their great foresight, sought to bring an end two two-thousand years of Divinely ordained Jewish subservience and political tractability. With their offensive militancy, they fanned the fires of anti-Semitism in Europe, and succeeded in forging a bond of Jew-hatred between Nazi-Germany and the surrounding countries.

These are the "statesmen" who organized the irresponsible boycott against Germany in 1933. This boycott hurt Germany like a fly attacking an elephant - but it brought calamity upon the Jews of Europe. At a time when America and England were at peace with the mad-dog Hitler, the Zionist "statesmen" forsook the only plausible method of political amenability; and with their boycott incensed the leader of Germany to a frenzy. And then, after the bitterest episode in Jewish history, these Zionist "statesmen" lured the broken refugees in the DP camps to remain in hunger and deprivation, and to refuse relocation to any place but Palestine; only for the purpose of building their State.

.... and let's not stop there. Let's also read the enlightened sayings of Jewish religious leaders on the goyem. These are easily available to all educated Jews who read Israeli papers, but would not translate them in the presence of mixed company.

Mark,
I do hope you agree with me that, the word "Propaganda" means that, when one side puts his own words and definitions to describe (and discredit) the other side with whom he disagrees with.

MEMRI never puts its own words, nor commentaries on its subjects. All MEMRI does, it records Arab & Muslims leaders or other person's of interest directly from Arab & Islamic own TV stations, expressing their views - then with English subtitles they offer it on their website. Here see what they say. Watch or read the clip and decide for yourself.

MEMRI does wonderful job of depicting the very reasons why we can't have peace between Muslims and Judea-Christians.

I wish there would be an Arab version of MEMRI which dedicated to recording the Israeli side, so Arabs & Muslims can see for themselves how Israelis see the world, and their real view about their neighbors - rather then receive from their own hate filled leaders.

"and teach their children to do it to Jews - yet again" - your point. What does "yet again" mean?? Was Hitler a Muslim?? Did any Muslims participate in the Spanish inquisition?? Are you too afraid to talk about what Europe did to the Jews??