Karen's (wife) latest fave is the old standby from back home in the Detroit area-that is, when I'm not making one of my epic Detroit Style monsters. I have to confess, the pie is kicking PH, PJ's. LC's, and D-Mo's behind, as well as that of most of the local yokels.

Anybody have any ideas on a Howie's clone? The nutrition information on the Company website was deliberately vague, so I'm hoping the board gang here, especially my homeys back in the 313 can drop some hints.

I wish I could say the same thing about the one that is local to me. When they started out the product was pretty good, but it's went downhill ever since. The calzones are still amazing for a chain product, but the pizza is somewhere in between Little Caesars and Pap John's. I still support them though because the guy's that own it are awesome, and you can't beat a $5.55 since it trumps Little Caesars so much.

I thought this was a pretty decent starting point. I'm in the Detroit area and RIGHT by a pretty consistent Howie's location. I can swing by and look for ingredient packages and talk to the staff. Is there a specific pizza you're looking to replicate?

I wish I could say the same thing about the one that is local to me. When they started out the product was pretty good, but it's went downhill ever since. The calzones are still amazing for a chain product, but the pizza is somewhere in between Little Caesars and Pap John's. I still support them though because the guy's that own it are awesome, and you can't beat a $5.55 since it trumps Little Caesars so much.

They use msg in the sauce. They aren't listing it but its definetly there. Also, what is "sale"? Its listed as a sauce ingredient. I think Howies pizza is pretty good but I actually think its pretty dangerous. Its got some serious nasty in it.

There is not a single study, research or test showing any causal relationship between MSG any symptom. There will always be a small group of people allergic to almost all foods, but there has yet to be a correlation shown between MSG and any symptom or health risk.

Every time a double-blind test is done, the people claiming to suffer any symptoms are in the placebo group.

If you wanted to list the two most prevalent food myths, they would probably be:

1. MSG is bad for you and people get headaches (or insert your symptom here) from eating food containing it.

2. Soybean oil and non-fermented soy is healthy. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Fermented soy (soy sauce, natto, teriyaki sauce, etc.) has health benefits. Chinese people knew hundreds of years ago that it was inedible, and only fermented tofu was eaten.

The soybean industry, and Monsanto in particular for their Genetically Modified soybean that now comprises about 90% of the market, have maneuvered humans into consuming soybeans over the past few decades because they could not market it even as animal feed, because

Whoa..now hold on here a minute. I agree with the MSG thing....they could only get rats to die after a 1000% overdose.Soy sauce is inedible....?I buy the "good" stuff and it improves the 'lil bit of Asian cooking I do. Back in the day(early 70's) the drag strip(hot rod cars) were known for mixing soy beans into the ground beef. It was prolly kinda nasty tasting by today's standards...dunno....boy they sure were good , cheap 'lil funky burgers though man...

This is also a grossly misleading if not a completely false statement. At best, the scientific evidence is inconclusive. There are conflicting studies, however I don't know of any meta-analysis that have concluded anything remotely close to what you clam. Rather, they have as far as I know, concluded the opposite or that there is not enough information available.1 Others have shown reduction in certain cancers such as prostrate in men and colorectal in women and a reduction in recurrence and lower morbidity in breast cancer.2

Further, soy milk contains zero estrogen (5 birth-control pills per day? - If you read it on the internet, it has to be true, right?) It contains phytoestrogens which can mildly mimic estrogen. However, there is no conclusive scientific evidence of any ill effects on humans, and multiple studies have shown no adverse effects in humans as a result of consuming soy-based infant formula compared cow's milk based formula.3

The first reference was written by a consultant to soy product manufacturers and president of a soy product company. The others I looked at were funded by the soy industry and written by people compensated by the soy industry, but I didn't have time to look at all of them.

The first reference was written by a consultant to soy product manufacturers and president of a soy product company. The others I looked at were funded by the soy industry and written by people compensated by the soy industry, but I didn't have time to look at all of them.

The fact is that everything you wrote about soybeans is flat out false. If you think I'm wrong, let's see something to back up your conjecture.

There is not a single study, research or test showing any causal relationship between MSG any symptom. There will always be a small group of people allergic to almost all foods, but there has yet to be a correlation shown between MSG and any symptom or health risk.

Every time a double-blind test is done, the people claiming to suffer any symptoms are in the placebo group.

If you wanted to list the two most prevalent food myths, they would probably be:

1. MSG is bad for you and people get headaches (or insert your symptom here) from eating food containing it.

2. Soybean oil and non-fermented soy is healthy. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Fermented soy (soy sauce, natto, teriyaki sauce, etc.) has health benefits. Chinese people knew hundreds of years ago that it was inedible, and only fermented tofu was eaten.

The soybean industry, and Monsanto in particular for their Genetically Modified soybean that now comprises about 90% of the market, have maneuvered humans into consuming soybeans over the past few decades because they could not market it even as animal feed, because