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And once again, NVIDIA doesn't care about desktop users. They care about professional Quadro gpus for professional companies at hollywood that use linux to do rendering and all those fancy stuff. And I can do plenty of other examples.

Nvidia has only engineers, and engineers generally don't give a shit about linux, open source, gpl and all these "socialist" concepts. They do what they are paid for = a good driver for the platform they target.

All the rest is just "ok, you get even support for geforce because that's fine". I'm still not sure why everyone is unable to understand this.

Anyways, yes maybe nvidia is loosing market under Linux for the "desktop", but I could reply that there isn't any official Linux desktop market. It's business people.

Intel on the other hand, has another history on the background and thinks in a different way. But Intel doesn't have the know how NVIDIA has with GPU, so a comparison is pointless.

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In my view, yes they do. However, I expect that they could not care less because they still have the MSW world to serve.
That they lose orders of the mentioned magnitude is one thing - they compensate it with low cost, albeit inferior, products in the short term.

That said, they might come to grips with reality that MSW is losing ground too and that more and more people are realizing that closed-source is not sustainable in the (very) long run. But of course, if NVIDIA is like any other US company, there focus is only short term - for stock holders mainly. Delivering real value to the world (sustainable growth) does not pay off in the short term.

I really liked CUDA and NVIDIA (stable speedy driver), but suspect I switch to ATI in the future. Why not Intel? Well like to use AMD CPU's until they can not compete enough with Intel anymore - might be very soon now.

Frans.

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Linux can be heckled and belittled by NVidia and AMD. But I have no doubt at all that within the next 5 years some Chinese or Korean company is going to come out with a discreet graphics card that is going to have open source drivers and aim it right at the Linux market. The American based companies will stomp their feet and piss their pants while looking for the government to do some thing so that they don't have to compete. NVidia and AMD have gotten fat, lazy and stupid due to a lack of competition. But like every where else, competition is coming.

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And once again, NVIDIA doesn't care about desktop users. They care about professional Quadro gpus for professional companies at hollywood that use linux to do rendering and all those fancy stuff. And I can do plenty of other examples.

Nvidia has only engineers, and engineers generally don't give a shit about linux, open source, gpl and all these "socialist" concepts. They do what they are paid for = a good driver for the platform they target.

All the rest is just "ok, you get even support for geforce because that's fine". I'm still not sure why everyone is unable to understand this.

Anyways, yes maybe nvidia is loosing market under Linux for the "desktop", but I could reply that there isn't any official Linux desktop market. It's business people.

Intel on the other hand, has another history on the background and thinks in a different way. But Intel doesn't have the know how NVIDIA has with GPU, so a comparison is pointless.

It IS business, and generally you don't want customers avoiding you. Considering how much engineering, time, and money goes into a desktop graphics card that ends up retailing for $500 or better, maybe a diversified approach to selling it isn't such a bad idea. If not caring makes good business sense, then why do AMD and Intel see things differently? Of all companies, nVidia needs graphics to succeed the most, as they are getting squeezed out of base systems by their competitors.

Personally, I just go with Intel graphics because the support is really easy and I don't game on my machine. This is a big change for me, as I used to buy AMD CPUs and whatever was a good GPU at the time.