I think we've reached the Boat Point of this story, which is the point at which the entire thing has become so ridiculous that the only rational solution remaining is to gather everyone even tangentially involved, put them on a boat, sail it out into the middle of the Pacific, and sink it. Sink it deep.

She sounds like most of the country club Republicans I know: living spectacularly beyond their means, up to their ears in debt, marital infidelity is the norm, and willing to do almost anything to keep up appearances. Permeating all of this is the attitude that they are better than the unwashed lower classes (even though their net worth is less than most people on welfare) and that the rules that apply to everyone else do not apply to them. To hobnob with public figure of note, a general or a politician is like a wet dream, a confirmation of the fantasy that they are someone.

Losers, all of them.

Petraeus should have known better than to get mixed up in all of that.

UberDave:Doctor Funkenstein: It really is amazing how much shiat can go down when a dude tries to get some tang. Ladies, that's how amazing your pussy is. One just wrecked a general and we're still going to come back for more.

Well, the more I read about this, the more this Broadwell chick sounds like a sociopath. Not that the general wasn't stupid in this case but sociopaths know how to find people who they can "charm" and work those people for all they're worth.

I'm STILL trying to figure out how this basic nobody managed to not only land a book contract but one that included the services of a ghost-writer. If you are a famous name and a publisher wants you to "write" a book, a ghost is almost a given. But what made Broadwell's name so worth having on the cover of "All in" that she got the cash for a book someone else wrote? Why not have had the ghost as the actual author? Something tells me Petraeus wasn;t the first famous and powerful man she slept with to get what she wanted.

Koalaesq:Diogenes: I think the most important question at this point is which one will Susan Lucci play?

Pretty sure George Wendt will play Mrs. Patreus

She may not be a beauty queen, but I've worked with Holly and she is- "Formidable" ... someone you fark with at your peril. (she runs the CFPB department in charge of making sure sleazy lenders and insurance companies don't fark over servicemembers. She's VERY good at her job and it's utterly shocking how big an industry financially screwing over soldiers really is.) If they stay together it's only because she had Dave's balls in a jar of formaldahyde on her shelf. If they split up she's taking the whole block and tackle..,

Max Awesome:There should be some kind of firewall to separate military personel from grifters like these. Why are they handing out 'honorary ambassadorships' to whores that troll military bases?

It seems all it takes to get military secrets is to jump on a dick or two.

One would hope that a flag grade officer would have teh judgement to keep himself separate from the "grifters" and not need somebody to do it for him.

Unfortunately most Flag Grade officers also have a political mentor ( a member of congress looking out for his career). so it hard to separate the two. . Most Flag grade officers are completely politicized when they get their first star.

The only Generals I knew who managed to keep the grifters and politicians some what at bay were former Marine Corps Commandants Gray and Mundy.

Pocket Ninja:I think we've reached the Boat Point of this story, which is the point at which the entire thing has become so ridiculous that the only rational solution remaining is to gather everyone even tangentially involved, put them on a boat, sail it out into the middle of the Pacific, and sink it. Sink it deep.

The STORY is ridiculous.

The Lebonese-American "Socialite" who has all kinds of reasons to be going into the Army command center that have nothing at all to do with any kind of operations.

And who has all kinds of connections to the head of the CIA and the commander of forces in Afghanistan...

And who keeps a phoney charity that doesn't take in or spend any money but pays for travel for "Cancer patients"

Doctor Funkenstein:It really is amazing how much shiat can go down when a dude tries to get some tang. Ladies, that's how amazing your pussy is. One just wrecked a general and we're still going to come back for more.

Well, the more I read about this, the more this Broadwell chick sounds like a sociopath. Not that the general wasn't stupid in this case but sociopaths know how to find people who they can "charm" and work those people for all they're worth.

Are we really farking serious, as a society, that we're going to sh-tcan military commanders for adultery, or hints of adultery? Do you know what these guys do? They kill people and break things. That's their job. Applying force. Taking risks. Scheming, cunning, assassinations.

I look at fundamentalist Islamic societies and they are anti-woman and anti-science, and place value on ability to recite the Koran. This means the societies will regress. We place a premium on science and letting chicks do what they want, so they can contribute to society too. We reap what we sow, getting richer, more advanced societies. They reap what they sow, getting poorer, more backwards societies.

We will reap what we sow if we sic the moral police on our military commanders.

Monumental, rampant, earthshaking idiocy. It's like I'm watching a moronic sitcom when I'm listening to the media commentary. In a sitcom, I think, this is moronic, people don't behave like that in real life. But people are behaving like that in real life in this situation.

I'm really stunned at the earthshaking idiocy.

I've had about the same reaction myself. Was talking with a retired AF guy at work, and he was going on & on about how his inability to control himself proved that Petraeus couldn't be trusted. I asked how come Eisenhower managed to not spill the beans about D-Day and the H-bomb when he was boinking his driver for years...

No response. Come on, people, we've gotta learn to compartmentalize. No, I wouldn't want my daughter marrying this guy, but there's a lot of guys I wouldn't want my daughter to marry that I am very glad are able & willing to commit violence on my behalf.

Are we really farking serious, as a society, that we're going to sh-tcan military commanders for adultery, or hints of adultery? Do you know what these guys do? They kill people and break things. That's their job. Applying force. Taking risks. Scheming, cunning, assassinations.

I look at fundamentalist Islamic societies and they are anti-woman and anti-science, and place value on ability to recite the Koran. This means the societies will regress. We place a premium on science and letting chicks do what they want, so they can contribute to society too. We reap what we sow, getting richer, more advanced societies. They reap what they sow, getting poorer, more backwards societies.

We will reap what we sow if we sic the moral police on our military commanders.

Monumental, rampant, earthshaking idiocy. It's like I'm watching a moronic sitcom when I'm listening to the media commentary. In a sitcom, I think, this is moronic, people don't behave like that in real life. But people are behaving like that in real life in this situation.

I'm really stunned at the earthshaking idiocy.

Yeah, but if half the people on this planet lived the way they SAY they live, we'd need less lawyers and guns and people playing army.

Are we really farking serious, as a society, that we're going to sh-tcan military commanders for adultery, or hints of adultery? Do you know what these guys do? They kill people and break things. That's their job. Applying force. Taking risks. Scheming, cunning, assassinations.

I look at fundamentalist Islamic societies and they are anti-woman and anti-science, and place value on ability to recite the Koran. This means the societies will regress. We place a premium on science and letting chicks do what they want, so they can contribute to society too. We reap what we sow, getting richer, more advanced societies. They reap what they sow, getting poorer, more backwards societies.

We will reap what we sow if we sic the moral police on our military commanders.

Monumental, rampant, earthshaking idiocy. It's like I'm watching a moronic sitcom when I'm listening to the media commentary. In a sitcom, I think, this is moronic, people don't behave like that in real life. But people are behaving like that in real life in this situation.

Why is the head of our armed forces and CIA palling around with these bimbos.

How you act when no-one's looking tells a lot.

It sounds like a lot of brass are palling around with these bimbos.

You know, during the Cold War people would be looking for a Soviet plot here, and bringing down a DCI would be a Big Farking Deal. Are y'all sure the petty little soap opera you're reading is the real truth? Or have things degenerated so much that the CIA can be beheaded by an airhead just because it can, to nobody's benefit?

Personally I blame the antisemites. Whenever things like this go down in America you know there has to be a jewhater in the woodpile somewhere, carrying big water if not pulling the strings. And it's always the case that somehow this will turn out to be bad for Israel, even if that's not really the whole point.

Is it any coincidence that, according to the Wikipedia article on her:

"Jill Kelley was born Gilberte Khawam on January 1, 1975. Kelley's family, which includes an identical twin sister, Natalie Khawam,[8] and a brother David Khawam,[9] are Lebanese-American Maronite Catholics who immigrated to the United States from Jounieh, Lebanon in the mid-1970s.[2]"

Lebanese Maronites: historical antisemites who had to pal around with Israel (and the CIA) in the late '70s & '80s because nobody else around there liked them, and always resented having to rely on Those People from deseperation. They even had to play ball on Syria's team a few times because Syria gave them no choice. But they're still powerful in the ruling classes of Lebanon and the region, a key strategic asset because of Lebanon's very useful coastline, and with all the current reshuffling of all the pinocle decks in the Middle East of course they've got to do all they can to keep straightening their kids' teeth and banging their Filipina maids. So it's hard to figure from here exactly what they could be up to, but strange clannish hill tribes like that are always up to something.

Keep in mind too that since the Assads' rise the Christian minorities in the area have been significant coalition partners for the Alawi "heretics," along with the Druze and the Shia: with their money and power the Maronites have a decisive role to play somehow. So you can count on it that somewhere in this scandal there's a Gemayel or a Chamoun with a very busy Gmail account.

bunner:While the origins of the seed money used to start the charity in 2007 are unclear, financial records reviewed by The Huffington Post reveal that the group spent all of its money not on research, but on parties, entertainment, travel and attorney fees.

Organized charities are what bored, rich women use to fund their social whirl.

Almost none of it ever goes to the needy.

You wanna help? See who needs help, find those motherf*ckers and hand them the sammiches, blankets and money in person. The odds of any other method working are slim.

Art Buchwald commented on this very phenomenon in a column I found in a collection of them published in 1963. This has been a fixture of "society" since mabel was a canoe. After atching the French Aristocracy lose thier heads for their tates in entrtaining, rich people all the world over adopted the "it's for Charity" fig leaf.

Beyond her hosting efforts, The Washington Post reports that, according to a military officer who served on Gen. Petraeus' staff, Kelley was a "'self-appointed' go-between for Central Command officers with Lebanese and other Middle Eastern government officials."

Yeah, I'm OK with this story just going away now. Fire that idiot Allen, and the FBI agent, then forget completely the two dumb biatches who apparently started all this. No book deals, no talk show appearances, none of it. Maybe rendition is an option here. I can't think of a better reason to use it.

GrizzlyPouch:NowhereMon: She sounds like most of the country club Republicans I know: living spectacularly beyond their means, up to their ears in debt, marital infidelity is the norm, and willing to do almost anything to keep up appearances. Permeating all of this is the attitude that they are better than the unwashed lower classes (even though their net worth is less than most people on welfare) and that the rules that apply to everyone else do not apply to them. To hobnob with public figure of note, a general or a politician is like a wet dream, a confirmation of the fantasy that they are someone.

Losers, all of them.

Petraeus should have known better than to get mixed up in all of that.

How is it that you've come to know all this about these people?

Are you a psychic? A wizard?

O right you're just pulling shiat out your ass

I think he meant that he knows people like this biatch - owes a crap ton of money but puts on fabulous parties, only wears designers clothes and drive expensive cars. If so, I also know several people like this and it is hard to feel sorry for them when they crash and burn from years of overspending.

While the origins of the seed money used to start the charity in 2007 are unclear, financial records reviewed by The Huffington Post reveal that the group spent all of its money not on research, but on parties, entertainment, travel and attorney fees.

Organized charities are what bored, rich women use to fund their social whirl.

Almost none of it ever goes to the needy.

You wanna help? See who needs help, find those motherf*ckers and hand them the sammiches, blankets and money in person. The odds of any other method working are slim.

I got all altruistic the other day after watching the hurricane cleanup and went over to USAJOBS to surf around. I found a motor vehicle operator job at FEMA that required the candidate to be able to perform janitorial skills, paid something like $17 bucks an hour, and required a Top Secret clearance.Very funny and just another reason we're farked.

/I won't ever qualify for a clearance for various reasons, not the least of which is that I'm not an authoritarian follower.

NowhereMon:She sounds like most of the country club Republicans I know: living spectacularly beyond their means, up to their ears in debt, marital infidelity is the norm, and willing to do almost anything to keep up appearances. Permeating all of this is the attitude that they are better than the unwashed lower classes (even though their net worth is less than most people on welfare) and that the rules that apply to everyone else do not apply to them. To hobnob with public figure of note, a general or a politician is like a wet dream, a confirmation of the fantasy that they are someone.

Losers, all of them.

Petraeus should have known better than to get mixed up in all of that.

I interact with a fair amount of these people when representing them in divorce matters. The "living beyond their means" statement is very true. The majority of them live in great fear of the general public finding out how much money they don't have. That is the main reason why they have their divorce decrees sealed from public view (when most of us would do the same for privacy issues or to protect sensitive financial information.) Just a thought.

"The Kelleys were known for their lavish parties, with extravagant buffets, flowing Champagne, valet parking and cigars for guests from nearby MacDill Air Force Base"

"Records show that Ms. Kelley and her husband, a doctor, have been subject to a string of lawsuits over debts, according to a report in The Tampa Bay Times, which said the Kelleys owed a bank nearly $2.2 million, including attorney fees, on a building they own. They also ran a cancer charity, which appears to be defunct. A 2007 tax filing, the latest available, shows the charity raised $157,284 that year, but spent just $58,417 on program services..."