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Ichiro's 3000th Hit - 142 to go! First Ballot HOF! Topic

I'd be curious to know how many times a player has had 100 walks and 200 hits in a season. I know Gehrig did it several times and, surprisingly, Ted Williams did not. I can't imagine it's been very many. I checked a few guys I thought might have done it. Boggs did it 4 times(all in a row). Gwynn and Rose did not.

Posted by MikeT23 on 8/22/2013 1:26:00 PM (view original):I'd be curious to know how many times a player has had 100 walks and 200 hits in a season. I know Gehrig did it several times and, surprisingly, Ted Williams did not. I can't imagine it's been very many. I checked a few guys I thought might have done it. Boggs did it 4 times(all in a row). Gwynn and Rose did not.

Posted by tecwrg on 8/22/2013 1:00:00 PM (view original):If the general consensus is that 500 home runs is no longer an "automatic" lock for the HOF, should we also acknowledge that 3000 hits (primarily singles) should not be an automatic lock for the HOF either.

Ichiro = not a HOFer.

I agree. The raw hits and high average are cool and all, but there really isn't much else there, and I'm a big hall guy.

Being an elite defender and baserunner for a decade would be quite valuable in your book, right?

Posted by tecwrg on 8/22/2013 1:00:00 PM (view original):If the general consensus is that 500 home runs is no longer an "automatic" lock for the HOF, should we also acknowledge that 3000 hits (primarily singles) should not be an automatic lock for the HOF either.

Ichiro = not a HOFer.

I agree. The raw hits and high average are cool and all, but there really isn't much else there, and I'm a big hall guy.

Being an elite defender and baserunner for a decade would be quite valuable in your book, right?

Absolutely. How many great defensive corner outfielders stole 350 bases and had an OPS+ of 110 or better?

I'm guessing, depending on how you classify great defensive corner outfielder, there's probably a few

If you put Ichiro in, you probably have to put in guys like Bobby Abreu and Carlos Beltran. And, obviously, Tim Raines.

LOL. In the all important WAR category, Raines and Lofton were 69 in 23 and 17 seasons, respectively. Ichiro is 59 in 13. I don't even need a calculator to know who's brought more value to their teams.

Posted by MikeT23 on 8/22/2013 2:29:00 PM (view original):LOL. In the all important WAR category, Raines and Lofton were 69 in 23 and 17 seasons, respectively. Ichiro is 59 in 13. I don't even need a calculator to know who's brought more value to their teams.

Posted by MikeT23 on 8/22/2013 2:29:00 PM (view original):LOL. In the all important WAR category, Raines and Lofton were 69 in 23 and 17 seasons, respectively. Ichiro is 59 in 13. I don't even need a calculator to know who's brought more value to their teams.

Yeah, Raines. You can't bring value if you aren't there.

Dumbass.

So I could dig up Babe Ruth, throw his bones on the field for another 5 years and he'd still be more valuable than pretty much anyone for his career? That seems retarded.

Posted by MikeT23 on 8/22/2013 2:29:00 PM (view original):LOL. In the all important WAR category, Raines and Lofton were 69 in 23 and 17 seasons, respectively. Ichiro is 59 in 13. I don't even need a calculator to know who's brought more value to their teams.

Yeah, Raines. You can't bring value if you aren't there.

Dumbass.

So I could dig up Babe Ruth, throw his bones on the field for another 5 years and he'd still be more valuable than pretty much anyone for his career? That seems retarded.

Retard.

You do realize that a dead body would have a negative WAR, right? Or did you not know that? If Ruth were able to come back and play zero WAR ball for 100 more years, he wouldn't lose value.