I advised DoC against adding the demos (and he figured the same, even before I said anything), because when I ran the Survivor the last three years there were barely any people voting in the demo rounds (5 tops). Adding them here would be pointless, many people have never heard them.

Pffffffffffffffffft.

Should have include The Guyver as well. Even though literally nobody will have heard except pretty much me and the band. In fact I doubt even some of the current line-up has even heard it.

It was an instrumental demo before Ray had even joined (can't remember the name of the guy who drummed for them at the time). So Hen is the only current member who played on it, as the rest of the band at the time was Matt, Pete and whoever the drummer was. The band never made it available in anyway so I don't think it's my position to do so.

It's alright, not the most original or exciting thing in the world but you can hear some of the seeds of their style.

I get why The Plan isn't doing well, since it is hard to vote for a song that short over longer songs, but I feel that it is vastly underrated. On its own, I think it is in the upper half (if I had to rank all of the songs in order).

This is not really a problem for me; in the past rounds I have voted basically everything over Visions and Crystallised for instance. I do like The Path, and as an introduction to the album it works remarkably well. However, as a standalone song, it doesn't do a whole lot.

Exactly my point. Crystallised and Visions are both lower tier Haken songs, as far as I'm concerned. They have plenty of strong short tracks.

"As far as [you're] concerned" being the clincher there.

But it being a response to Kev's "since it is hard to vote for a song that short over longer songs" makes it a legitimate addition to the discussion. I for one do not believe it's hard to vote short songs over longer ones, which I illustrated by mentioning that I could easliy choose a shorter song over those two tracks.