Voted OU, Skymin's luck factor is overstated and from laddering with it it changed the outcome of the battle about once in 50 games and was underwhelming for me. It is neither centralising and clearly not overpowered in my opinion and experience and thus I don't think it is uber.

Voted OU, Skymin's luck factor is overstated and from laddering with it it changed the outcome of the battle about once in 50 games and was underwhelming for me. It is neither centralising and clearly not overpowered in my opinion and experience and thus I don't think it is uber.

Voted Uber. Subseed is hardly a problematic set. Specs and LO are what cause the most trouble and I think the amount of luck involved with using and playing against Shaymin-S is a bit ridiculous, especially when you are at the mercy of the RNG to determine wheter you can "counter/check" it or not.

Voted Uber. Subseed is hardly a problematic set. Specs and LO are what cause the most trouble and I think the amount of luck involved with using and playing against Shaymin-S is a bit ridiculous, especially when you are at the mercy of the RNG to determine wheter you can "counter/check" it or not.

I vote Skymin to be not uber (OU) - simply because it only has a choice of four moves. If it had 5, then maybe so; but with only four moves, there is bound to be one pokemon in a team which can effectively counter the given set. And if there isn't, it wouldn't require too much centralisation to form a counter triangle to enable a team to counter it. On top of that, it has no strategy while substituting that could proceed to break the opponent's team apart. I believe its hax potential is not high enough to achieve this also. And of course, it can be damaged by Stealth Rock - which is present in most teams.

lol, 10 bucks says that once this thing's officially OU, everybody will make Skymin-based teams. I honestly feel that the only reason it's usage stats were so low, is cause most of us didn't want to waste our time making a team that would turn obsolete (if voted uber). I am going to lol so hard at the metagame that will ensue if the voting trend stays the same as it is right now.

Skymin does not come close to the level of sheer uncounterability seen in such previous metagame threats as Garchomp and Manaphy. Even a simple Skarmory, with its measly 176 Special Defense, can often force Skymin out. Additionally, its PP is very quickly drained by the likes of one of its major switch-ins, Zapdos. The Life Orb set is worn down in no time, especially in Sandstorm/Hail, more especially by Stealth Rock, and even further especially with Substitute.

The most fearsome form of Skymin, in my opinion, is the SubSeeder, but it isn't necessarily any better at this job than Sceptile; its 100 base HP versus Sceptile's 70 actually works against it with Leech Seed recovery being unable to restore enough HP to offset 85-101 HP Substitutes. And, like Sceptile, the SubSeeder tends to be easily walled with only two attacks.

While Skymin can be annoying, that's not enough to force it to Uber. I voted OU because of its relative ease to counter.