and ya, i went to my second class and talked to wayne, the head dude, and he confirmed that it was just japanese jujitsu with some brazilian theories mixed into it, but its still considered japanese jujitsu.

and yes, tkd blows, period, end of story, i really dont even consider myself a bb

Hehehe, I'm glad people enjoyed the joke - I was affraid I was gonna get banned since it's a modded forum :)

Originally Posted by LolodesBois

Sadly it use to be like that in every style....but the dojo busting days are well passed...

I dunno about that. There doesn't need to be dojo busting raids to maintain the quality of BJJ. This past monday we got a visit from a pair of BBjers (I overhead they were BB's under Ryan Gracie... can't be for sure as overheard from a distance when I was being mounted:P)

Anyways, they came very courteusly and rolled with the rest for about an hour. Those dudes were disgustingly good. Anyways, to make the story short; these guys didn't come as dojo busters but as visiting sportmen. That is very comon in both BJJ and Judo dojos, and that alone allows for the self-correcting element of the art.

A legitimate BJJ school will always be more than glad to accomodate courteous visiting grapplers - a hooky one would either refuse (which would be a red flag) or will let them in and the truth would become evident.

The street argument is retarded. BJJ is so much overkill for the street that its ridiculous. Unless you're the idiot that picks a fight with the high school wrestling team, barring knife or gun play, the opponent shouldn't make it past double leg + ground and pound - Osiris

Honestly, I didn't see anywhere on there website, or in the bio's of the various instructors where it states "WE/I/HE/SHE/THEY/IT teach Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu".

Most of the instructors hold rank in "Jujitsu" not Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. But, do you need to hold rank in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu to teach proper posture when in the guard or to teach someone "how do arm bar".

I bet that some of what is taught in the various AJJ academies across America has its base in Brazilian or Japanese jujitsu theories and techniques. To say "you must hold rank in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu to teach the practical application of the guard" is pure nut-ridding IMO.

With regard to creating a hybrid of Japanese and Brazilian theories - isn't it
essentially or ultimately all Japanese, as BJJ was derived from Judo/Jujutsu
anyway, and simply refined and further developed by the Gracies?

Or are many BJJ techniques completely original and cannot be found in,
say, Kosen Judo or Jujutsu?

Honestly, I didn't see anywhere on there website, or in the bio's of the various instructors where it states "WE/I/HE/SHE/THEY/IT teach Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu".

Most of the instructors hold rank in "Jujitsu" not Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. But, do you need to hold rank in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu to teach proper posture when in the guard or to teach someone "how do arm bar".

I bet that some of what is taught in the various AJJ academies across America has its base in Brazilian or Japanese jujitsu theories and techniques. To say "you must hold rank in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu to teach the practical application of the guard" is pure nut-ridding IMO.

To have an opinion about the diference between Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and X jiu-jitsu you have to have rolled with BJJ guys. Prefereably not white belts.

exactly, while I am by no means an authority on this subject, it is my experience that most of the submissions, for example, that are found in BJJ/GJJ, have a Japanese twin found in the various ne-waza techniques of Judo.

I have actually wondered, and probably Aeso, or one of the BJJ or GJJ black belts could answer, are there any techniques, positions or submissions that are a sole invention of the Gracies? I'm talking about a completely new and previously unknown judo/jujitsu technique, position or submission, not a variation of one already in existence, that the Gracies, or some other BJJ patriarch developed.

Not gimmicks, like the twister, but something that is now a staple in the BJJ/GJJ training curriculum.

Edit - Damn, WhiteShark got in before me, so unless you have rolled with a ranked BJJ player, you cannot teach the guard?

The difference between JJJ, judo and BJJ don't really lie in the techniques taught but in the way they're taught, the amount of time dedicated to drilling them and the training philosophy. But if you actually want to look for BJJ-ish techniques, you COULD investigate how handy they are with leglocks. All the straight JJJers and judoka I've met were less than proficient at leglocks, especially since they're banned under judo rules. A judo BB even told me that leglocks "don't work."