I'm still trying to get my arms around you calling Nehor "nonsensical", and then writing "... in this case the Mormon is a slave to the institution, slavishly slaving away like a slave, although not a slave, but enslaved in heart and mind."

And I'm still waiting for him to produce the photos of me in a baseball uniform with an angry scowl on my face.

You gotta understand that antishock8 used to be antishock80. He's now down to about 10% of his former self, all because of playing in the CJS™ too often, too long, with too little ventilation.

_________________... every man walketh in his own way, and after the image of his own god, whose image is in the likeness of the world, and whose substance is that of an idol ...

I'm still trying to get my arms around you calling Nehor "nonsensical", and then writing "... in this case the Mormon is a slave to the institution, slavishly slaving away like a slave, although not a slave, but enslaved in heart and mind."

And I'm still waiting for him to produce the photos of me in a baseball uniform with an angry scowl on my face.

You gotta understand that antishock8 used to be antishock80. He's now down to about 10% of his former self, all because of playing in the CJS™ too often, too long, with too little ventilation.

Wait. This IS the William Schryver that lives in Cedar City, UT, is around 48 years old, kind of fat, white, and pissed? Maybe I have the wrong William Schryver who is around 48, lives in Cedar City, is kind of fat, white, and pissed... Hrm...

I'm still trying to get my arms around you calling Nehor "nonsensical", and then writing "... in this case the Mormon is a slave to the institution, slavishly slaving away like a slave, although not a slave, but enslaved in heart and mind."

Nuance isn't really your strong suit, is it? Hey I know... Let's get back on topic? I apologize for derailing it by responding to The Nehor's, yet again, ad hominem/"Make Every Goddamn Thread About Me" post.

Wait. This IS the William Schryver that lives in Cedar City, UT, is around 48 years old, kind of fat, white, and pissed? Maybe I have the wrong William Schryver who is around 48, lives in Cedar City, is kind of fat, white, and pissed... Hrm...

Yeah, we're waiting for the photo proof of the fat, white, angry, unhappily married baseball coach from Cedar City, UT.

We'll let LifeOnAPlate confirm that it's me. He's met me in person.

_________________... every man walketh in his own way, and after the image of his own god, whose image is in the likeness of the world, and whose substance is that of an idol ...

What I heard Elder Ballard say, is that we should have our discussions - whether we agree or disagree - without rancor. I think this was almost the next sentence following the opening quote.

To remove the rancor from Shadesville and MAD would be beneficial in my opinion.

?

The passage here is quite clearly expressing the idea that LDS ought not get into discussions that question, doubt, or debate "gospel principles." Presumably he is saying this because questioning, doubting, or debating teachings of the LDS Church opens one up the the possibility of finding reasons to reject them. He allows for discussion that does not involve those things, such as testimony bearing, sharing teachings, preaching, answering friendly questions, and so forth. Just don't catch yourself in a conversation where gospel principles are under dispute.

Elder Ballard: "As you participate in this conversation and utilize the tools of new media, remember who you are—Latter-day Saints. Remember, as the proverb states, that “a soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger” ( Proverbs 15:1 )...

There is no need to argue or contend with others regarding our beliefs. There is no need to becomedefensive or belligerent... We simply need to have a conversation, as friends in the same room would have..."

It is not the participation that is questioned, but the attitudes of those participating.

Will - the reason people think you're kind of fat is that you once had a picture of yourself as an avatar - at least I'm assuming that was you, since it wasn't anyone recognizable. Others probably made the same assumption. The face in that avatar looked kind of fat. Perhaps it was an unflattering picture, and you're not, but I think that's why people are making that assumption.

_________________ We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.

Will - the reason people think you're kind of fat is that you once had a picture of yourself as an avatar - at least I'm assuming that was you, since it wasn't anyone recognizable. Others probably made the same assumption. The face in that avatar looked kind of fat. Perhaps it was an unflattering picture, and you're not, but I think that's why people are making that assumption.

Here is the photo I used for my avatar for a short time. It's the only photo of myself I ever remember posting online.

Yep, looks like an angry fat baseball coach to me.

lol

_________________... every man walketh in his own way, and after the image of his own god, whose image is in the likeness of the world, and whose substance is that of an idol ...

Hrm... Do you have a fat son named William Schryver that coaches baseball in Cedar City, too? I did an Internet stalk of you, and there's a fat baseball coach named William Schryver at Cedar High. Eh. I figure since you're such a dick to others I'd see if there was anything I could dredge up something to be a dick to you. Regardless, you're definitely kind of fat, definitely white, and most definitely angry looking. You remind me of a friend of mine that played hockey. He was the kind of guy to get into fights. He had a goatee, too. I hope you don't have the goatee any more. It's kind of douchey. Well. That was nice n' all. Can we get back on topic, or is this what it's like to be a Mopologist... Endless personal attacks?

_________________You can’t trust adults to tell you the truth.

Scream the lie, whisper the retraction.- The Left

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Nope, that wasn't it. It was a color close up, IIRC. Perhaps it was someone famous I just didn't recognize, but if I made the mistake, likely others did, too.

I saw one of a William Schryver from a film festival site. He had a mullet. I s*** you not. It looks like the same guy. Anyone who wore a mullet, and lives in Cedar City. Phew. That's a psychological profile for you...

Right. Because you could never make a mistake that wasn’t easy to make.

No, because if you use a photo for an avatar, and it's not an easily recognized famous individual, people often assume it's you.

This was a close up, longer hair, heavier face than the photo you're sharing now, but otherwise it could easily have been the same person. You had it as your avatar for quite a while, I'm surprised you don't remember.

At any rate, I don't care if you're fat or not. I just thought I would explain why it is that I suspect people are making that assumption. It may just be that the majority of US citizens are fat, and a significant percent of Mormons along with that, instead.

_________________ We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.

When I first read the article, I wondered how the folks at MAD and a few believers here would respond.

I kind of came to the conclusion the mean spirited folks would go with the "just opinion" idea and continue on with their nastiness.

Seems to me Internet members don't care too much about what a prophet says, they will find a way to justify their actions regardless of what they are.

I have a sense that the leaders may know that many members are disturbed when they come across the apologetic community and discover how nasty some members can be; clearly not representative of how they want the church viewed, IMO.

Will things change? Not even a little.

:-(

~dancer~

_________________"The search for reality is the most dangerous of all undertakings for it destroys the world in which you live." Nisargadatta Maharaj

Listen. Quit. For good. Show the world you're not enslaved to the Mormon system. If you don't, you're a slave. It's just the way it is. Remember, a really efficient Church would be one in which the Propeht controls members that do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.

Throw off the chains of happiness! Flee the society of those who love and care about you! Reject the God who has saved you so often! Hell stands ready to assist!!

Listen. Quit. For good. Show the world you're not enslaved to the Mormon system. If you don't, you're a slave. It's just the way it is. Remember, a really efficient Church would be one in which the Propeht controls members that do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude.

Throw off the chains of happiness! Flee the society of those who love and care about you! Reject the God who has saved you so often! Hell stands ready to assist!!

Call me crazy but I think I'm more free then you are.

I can quit anytime I want!

(Of course, I don't want to any more than I like the idea of having a root canal just for fun.)

_________________That's General Leo. He could be my friend if he weren't my enemy.eritis sicut diiI support NCMO

Post subject: Re: Every LDS MDB and MAD poster going against the prophets.

Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2008 9:08 pm

God

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William Schryver wrote:

liz3564 wrote:

According to Elder Ballard's talk in this month's Ensign discussing do's and don'ts of the Internet, ALL of us who are posting both here AND MAD need to repent:

Elder Ballard wrote:

Things to Avoid

Every disciple of Christ will be most effective and do the most good by adopting a demeanor worthy of a follower of the Savior. Discussions focused on questioning, debating, and doubting gospel principles do little to build the kingdom of God. The Apostle Paul has admonished us to not be “ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation” (Romans 1:16). Let us all stand firmly and speak with faith in sharing our message with the world. Many of you are returned missionaries and can carry on a meaningful conversation in the language you learned on your mission. Your outreach can be international.

As you participate in this conversation and utilize the tools of new media, remember who you are—Latter-day Saints. Remember, as the proverb states, that “a soft answer turneth away wrath: but grievous words stir up anger” (Proverbs 15:1). And remember that contention is of the devil (see 3 Nephi 11:29). There is no need to argue or contend with others regarding our beliefs. There is no need to become defensive or belligerent. Our position is solid; the Church is true. We simply need to have a conversation, as friends in the same room would have, always guided by the prompting of the Spirit and constantly remembering the Atonement of the Lord Jesus Christ, which reminds us of how precious are the children of our Father in Heaven.

May the Lord bless each of you that you will have a powerful influence on those you come in contact with. As I said in the beginning, the power of words is incredible. Let your voice be heard in this great cause of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Will, BC, and several other LDS posters who have been particularly rude as of late may want to pay close attention to the parts I bolded for emphasis.

_________________when believers want to give their claims more weight, they dress these claims up in scientific terms. When believers want to belittle atheism or secular humanism, they call it a "religion". -Beastie

Will, BC, and several other LDS posters who have been particularly rude as of late may want to pay close attention to the parts I bolded for emphasis.

I do not believe I have gone against what you quoted. I have simply stated the cold hard facts, put my money where my mouth is (I am not ashamed), and followed the example of Christ (he had some very harsh things to say from time to time). I do not see the need to apologize for anything I've said recently. My words stand.

Will, BC, and several other LDS posters who have been particularly rude as of late may want to pay close attention to the parts I bolded for emphasis.

I do not believe I have gone against what you quoted. I have simply stated the cold hard facts, put my money where my mouth is (I am not ashamed), and followed the example of Christ (he had some very harsh things to say from time to time). I do not see the need to apologize for anything I've said recently. My words stand.

Your words can stand, but they're wrong.

You owe Kim an apology for calling her a liar. Christ certainly didn't call someone a liar when they were not one.

Frankly, I think Christ would have some very harsh things to say to you.