So if I plastered public buses with all of the hate speech some white idiots tweeted after Obama won reelection, then that is just representing the general white populace, just like these ads represent all Muslims, right subs?

I've had Muslims tell me with a straight face that unless you can speak Arabic, you can't really understand the Koran. Because God only speaks Arabic or something, and it just can't be translated properly unlike all the world's other major holy texts over the millenia. So learn Arabic if you want to discuss the Koran, infidel.

Zeno-25:I've had Muslims tell me with a straight face that unless you can speak Arabic, you can't really understand the Koran. Because God only speaks Arabic or something, and it just can't be translated properly unlike all the world's other major holy texts over the millenia. So learn Arabic if you want to discuss the Koran, infidel.

Pretty convenient.

The same type of people (in terms of mindset/intelligence level) think the KJV Bible is the true word of God, and all other translations (including the original texts) are not the way to find God.

"... thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters." Deuteronomy 28:53

"And he brought forth the people that were therein, and put them under saws, and under harrows of iron, and under axes of iron, and made them pass through the brick-kiln." 2 Samuel 12:31

As he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them." 2 Kings 23-24

"...children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." Isaiah 13:16

" The fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers." Ezekiel 5:10

Then, a couple of weeks ago, Warren, whose website declares he is "gathering and sharing evidence that will bring Sam Katz and his band of thieves to justice before organized crime takes hold in Winnipeg", raised the ante. He circulated a blog titled 'The Katz Doctrine' which consisted of ten points along the lines of:

1) God is never angry about the Jews, just about the Non-Jews. 6) Jews may steal from Non-Jews. 7) Jews always have to try to deceive Non-Jews. 8) Jews may lie to Non-Jews. Jews may use lies (subterfuges) to circumvent a Gentile. 9) Every Jew is allowed to use lies and perjury to bring a Non-Jew to ruin.

Ouch. The reaction was immediate. Even people who supported his provocative poster because they were fed up with cronyism at city hall distanced themselves from what appeared to be outright anti-semitism. We certainly did.

"And he brought forth the people that were therein, and put them under saws, and under harrows of iron, and under axes of iron, and made them pass through the brick-kiln." 2 Samuel 12:31

As he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them." 2 Kings 23-24

"...children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." Isaiah 13:16

" The fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers." Ezekiel 5:10

"And he brought forth the people that were therein, and put them under saws, and under harrows of iron, and under axes of iron, and made them pass through the brick-kiln." 2 Samuel 12:31

As he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them." 2 Kings 23-24

"...children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." Isaiah 13:16

" The fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers." Ezekiel 5:10

///Which is more violent, the Bible or the Koran?

Why does it have to be a competition? They're both bloodthirsty. It's almost like they were written during a less civilized time or something...

It doesn't matter, we're talking about the Koran now. Just because the bible is violent doesn't mean we can't point out violence in other religions. We should be pointing it out in all religions, and all their flaws and inaccuracies as well. They are all farked up and cause more problems than they 'solve'.

Zeno-25:I've had Muslims tell me with a straight face that unless you can speak Arabic, you can't really understand the Koran. Because God only speaks Arabic or something, and it just can't be translated properly unlike all the world's other major holy texts over the millenia. So learn Arabic if you want to discuss the Koran, infidel.

Pretty convenient.

It's a half-truth from some half-assed muslims.To properly interpret the Koran you should read it as Muhammed wrote it. Unfortunately the idioms and semantic/pragmatic wordplays are as lost on modern arab readers as they would be on english readers so the whole point sort of just...dies. Also what institutes a "proper interpretation" is sort of fuzzy. And also, this in no way means that you can't argue against a muslim touting his views in a debate. You can properly interpret his words as he says them. ;)

sauce_jenkins:So if I plastered public buses with all of the hate speech some white idiots tweeted after Obama won reelection, then that is just representing the general white populace, just like these ads represent all Muslims, right subs?

Its a little different because if you ask a general member of society about the obama quotes, the typical response is, 'that's some inbred redneck'. If you question arabs partying in the street on 911, the response is, they are, of course, justified, stop doing what they dont like.

Nutsac_Jim:sauce_jenkins: So if I plastered public buses with all of the hate speech some white idiots tweeted after Obama won reelection, then that is just representing the general white populace, just like these ads represent all Muslims, right subs?

Its a little different because if you ask a general member of society about the obama quotes, the typical response is, 'that's some inbred redneck'. If you question arabs partying in the street on 911, the response is, they are, of course, justified, stop doing what they dont like.

"And he brought forth the people that were therein, and put them under saws, and under harrows of iron, and under axes of iron, and made them pass through the brick-kiln." 2 Samuel 12:31

As he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them." 2 Kings 23-24

"...children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." Isaiah 13:16

" The fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers." Ezekiel 5:10

///Which is more violent, the Bible or the Koran?

I'm prety sure Game or Thrones is more violent than either. But how does this relate to a discussion of the Koran or Islam?

Or was that just a meaningless misdirection? I'm guessing misdirection.

Nutsac_Jim:Do you know the way to Mordor: "... thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters." Deuteronomy 28:53 ...///Which is more violent, the Bible or the Koran?

Do you think perhaps you are taking a bunch of bible quotes totally out of context?

I'm quite certain that it isn't telling everyone on one hand, not to kill your children because you are low on cash, and on the other hand, telling you to eat them.

Did you ever think that maybe...just maybe the Best Koreans are 'God's' children and he/she/it was referring to them?

wickedragon:Zeno-25: I've had Muslims tell me with a straight face that unless you can speak Arabic, you can't really understand the Koran. Because God only speaks Arabic or something, and it just can't be translated properly unlike all the world's other major holy texts over the millenia. So learn Arabic if you want to discuss the Koran, infidel.

Pretty convenient.

It's a half-truth from some half-assed muslims.To properly interpret the Koran you should read it as Muhammed wrote it. Unfortunately the idioms and semantic/pragmatic wordplays are as lost on modern arab readers as they would be on english readers so the whole point sort of just...dies. Also what institutes a "proper interpretation" is sort of fuzzy. And also, this in no way means that you can't argue against a muslim touting his views in a debate. You can properly interpret his words as he says them. ;)

Mohammad didn't write the Koran. He was illiterate. He related his (often conveniently times) "revelations" to others who eventually wrote them down and collected them into the Koran after Big Mo's death in 632.

Where wolf:Zeno-25: I've had Muslims tell me with a straight face that unless you can speak Arabic, you can't really understand the Koran. Because God only speaks Arabic or something, and it just can't be translated properly unlike all the world's other major holy texts over the millenia. So learn Arabic if you want to discuss the Koran, infidel.

Pretty convenient.

The same type of people (in terms of mindset/intelligence level) think the KJV Bible is the true word of God, and all other translations (including the original texts) are not the way to find God.

give me doughnuts:step 1: Use picture and quote of prominent Muslim in adstep 2: Do nothing elsestep 3: Get accused of "islamophobia"

first: The photo of one of the ads in the article shows Osama Bin Laden. Calling Bin Laden a "prominant Muslim" is like calling Ralph Rene a "prominant scientist". Also the American Freedom Defense Initiative is explicitly anti-Muslim.

"And he brought forth the people that were therein, and put them under saws, and under harrows of iron, and under axes of iron, and made them pass through the brick-kiln." 2 Samuel 12:31

As he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them." 2 Kings 23-24

"...children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." Isaiah 13:16

" The fathers shall eat the sons in the midst of thee, and the sons shall eat their fathers." Ezekiel 5:10

///Which is more violent, the Bible or the Koran?

Well, since you're using the King James Version, we're not dealing with a very accurate translation For instance at first glance 2 Samuel 12:31 sounds really bad, but that's because of improper translation and modern use of the English phrase "put under" having changed emphasis. Reading any modern translation, David puts the people to WORK sawing, making bricks etc. Not exactly the same thing.

And Deuteronomy 28:53 is about the curse(s) you will receive should you disobey the Lord. It's meant to be shocking and awful. It didn't happen. Read the passages leading up to it, they're just as bad or worse.Similarly Isaiah 13 is a warning/threat to Babylon to stop sinning.And Ezekiel 5 as well, is the punishment for disobedience. It's a reference to the same Deut. passage. "See, some really bad shait will come to pass, don't you remember?" I've got no explanation for 2 Kings 2:23-24. Stephen Colbert had it right.

StrangeQ:Where wolf: Zeno-25: I've had Muslims tell me with a straight face that unless you can speak Arabic, you can't really understand the Koran. Because God only speaks Arabic or something, and it just can't be translated properly unlike all the world's other major holy texts over the millenia. So learn Arabic if you want to discuss the Koran, infidel.

Pretty convenient.

The same type of people (in terms of mindset/intelligence level) think the KJV Bible is the true word of God, and all other translations (including the original texts) are not the way to find God.

There certainly are congregations of Christians who believe only in the KJV. They're usually very conservative groups, where the women are subjugated and must keep their hair long and covered. Cruise around the web a little, and you'll find them.

sauce_jenkins:So if I plastered public buses with all of the hate speech some white idiots tweeted after Obama won reelection, then that is just representing the general white populace, just like these ads represent all Muslims, right subs?

I don't think this is about Muslims in general. Rather, it's about the threat of Jihad.

Slaxl:Do you know the way to Mordor: Which is more violent, the Bible or the Koran?

It doesn't matter, we're talking about the Koran now. Just because the bible is violent doesn't mean we can't point out violence in other religions. We should be pointing it out in all religions, and all their flaws and inaccuracies as well. They are all farked up and cause more problems than they 'solve'.

Agreed. There's plenty of blame to go around. Christianity used to be as evil as the Islamists are now.

Also, this is using the words of current Jihadists, not merely ancient words.