"Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least twice as fast as that!" - Red Queen, Alice - Through the Looking-Glass

I wonder for how long this has been in the works. I wouldn't be surprised if this has been planned for months; would explain a lot concerning the Hasenhüttl situation; why they wanted to keep him for another year but not extend his contract. Maybe he got wind of it and then decided to pull the plug himself.

Amazing that nobody in the German media figured something out, there were all kinds of rumours but nothing but the vaguest things about Nagelsmann, although there are now reports that the talks have been going on for weeks.

Curious what will happen now; that tweet of the local reporter strongly suggests they're trying to get him early. Why else wouldn't they just announce Rangnick as the coach for next year? Maybe they're trying to sell Hasenhüttl to Hoffe to get Nagelsmann for the coming season. He still has a contract with Leipzig until the end of September. Media seem to be in agreement that the situation with a coach who is destined to leave for a direct competitor at the end of the season is very difficult, if not untenable for TSG.

Who knows, maybe even Hasenhüttl's freeze period until September 30th was part of the plan.

"Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least twice as fast as that!" - Red Queen, Alice - Through the Looking-Glass

Makes me wonder if - like Tuchel - we took too long and he already had something lined up with RBL.

As far as Hoffenheim...it's weird to me. I can't see any reason to go public with these announcements unless there's something more to it we don't know yet. Can't think of too many occasions where a (young) coach announces his departure AND pending new appointment while he's still got a season left at his club...It'd be one thing if it were a more senior coach announcing he'd retire at the end of the year. But what's happening here is just odd to me.

It's definitely very strange. As you say, a coach retiring at the end of the season or even a coach leaving for another league, like Guardiola, is one thing. But a coach leaving for a direct competitor is another matter altogether.

Nagelsmann said he didn't want Hoffenheim's season to be burdened by ongoing speculations about his future. But I'm not at all convinced that this situation now isn't even worse.

"Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least twice as fast as that!" - Red Queen, Alice - Through the Looking-Glass

I'm sure they'll try to get him early (and I'm pretty sure he wants out early, too).

But it was Hoffenheim who made it public first. Nagelsmann and Leipzig only went public after that.

Interesting... in Austria there are Salzburg fans who reported the deal is all but done over three weeks ago.

"Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least twice as fast as that!" - Red Queen, Alice - Through the Looking-Glass

"Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least twice as fast as that!" - Red Queen, Alice - Through the Looking-Glass

Training to start on Monday, and still no decision who will be the coach.

"Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least twice as fast as that!" - Red Queen, Alice - Through the Looking-Glass

America USA wrote:RB Leipzig is composed mainly of foreigners and them doing good or qualifying for Europe will in no way shape or form help the National Mannschaft.

... and yet, Kimmich came through their ranks, which is more than the Bayern youth teams have been able to produce for a long while.

America USA wrote:The massive influx of non-Germans into the BL starting elevens is very Premier League esque and could really harm the National teams performances if German players don’t get regular games in the BL.

Or help, because they're tested against and train with higher-quality peers, so that can only improve the top German players. As for the rest, they'd suffer by sitting on the bench, but if they were really good they'd have gotten regular playing time.

This is my theory at least, the influx of foreigners would help the top tier locals but the rest may or may not suffer.

Pretty sure they'd like to sign more German players if they were affordable and willing to come. But players being abused by so-called "traditionsfans" like Werner was for 1 1/2 years as if he had been the first player to dive doesn't help encouraging some of them. Amiri declined, Henrichs declined, Plattenhardt declined, Süle preferred Bayern, Gnabry preferred Bayern, Arp prefers Bayern, Phillip preferred Dortmund, so did Dahoud (because apparently it's better to rot on the bench in Dortmund, also helps far more developing German talent, doesn't it), Meyer asked for insane salary twice their salary cap. Just off the top of my head for players I know were on their list.

So what are you going to do? You sign foreigners instead.

"Now, here, you see, it takes all the running you can do, to keep in the same place. If you want to get somewhere else, you must run at least twice as fast as that!" - Red Queen, Alice - Through the Looking-Glass

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