cchris_39:Starting tomorrow in Oregon, rather than just saying "Nope" and signing a form, you must actually consult your family doctor or watch an hour long online video in order to get a vaccine exemption an abortion

We need a nice raging polio epidemic. Stick the idiot crotchfruits into iron lungs and we'll see how long the anti-vax movement lasts.

Can we at least hold off on that until my kid finishes its vaccine regimen?

No way.

If a parent doesn't get their child a vaccine to prevent disease the child (or crotchfruit as we hilarious Farkers call them) deserve to catch polio and die in iron lungs because of a decision their parents made when they were babies.

This is ignorant and stupid. Why legislate something that isn't even a problem? Politics? Because it makes you feel good? Because we want to keep up with the "Jones'" of other states that have too many laws? We didn't have any cases of Chickenpox last year and only one case of measles. The only mentionable disease problem we have is Syphilis,

cchris_39:Starting tomorrow in Oregon, rather than just saying "Nope" and signing a form, you must actually consult your family doctor or watch an hour long online video in order to get a vaccine exemption an abortion

Wonder if that would get the spiffy tag........

You mean like the doctor that performs the abortion? I sure hope she consulted with him first, otherwise he may remove her tonsils instead.

D135:meat0918: D135: This is a great follow-up to that article last week about how a lot of people who don't vaccinate their kids aren't necessarily anti-vaxers, just lazy farks who don't want to drive across town during work hours to get their own farking crotch fruit vaccinated.

Gotta citation.

It would kinda make me feel better if they were informed but lazy rather than misinformed and zealous about spreading that misinformation.

I could have sworn it was a fark article about vaccine exemptions, but I didn't comment in the thread so I don't have it and searching fark for "vaccinations" got me nowhere.

HotWingConspiracy:Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

Abortions aren't contagious. And yes, we're right.

But Trisha down the street got one! And I wanna go to college TOOOOOOOO!

flondrix:Mikey1969: Sure it hurts, and they're in an unfamiliar place, but it is not that hard to explain that the shot may hurt, but it's only going to hurt for a little while, and that it helps keep the child from getting sick, and they don't need to be acared, because you will be right there the whole time.

"Explain"? As in, use logic with a pre-schooler? Look, when I was that age, if I were given the choice between the possibility of someday catching a disease that would paralyze or even kill me, or a long, pointy needle that was gonna hurt RIGHT NOW, I would have opted for disease and death. Fortunately, I wasn't given a choice.

Yep. Looks like you were one of those "special" pre-schoolers. Like I said, I've done it successfully with 3 kids now.

This is just a cash move, and very little to do with informing people about vaccines. From my understanding, insurance companies don't want to pay out doctors in a similar fashion to having a 'quit smoking' conversation. Basically, if a doctor asks you if you smoke, then tells you that you should quit, they get a small payment. Now, insurance companies don't want to pay a doctor for advising a patients parents the benefits of being vaccinated.

This way, by making a patient watch a video, the people who created the video pay the doctor a small amount of cash for showing the video, while racking in big bucks from hospitals because they paid X amount of dollars to obtain said video.

PJ-:This is just a cash move, and very little to do with informing people about vaccines. From my understanding, insurance companies don't want to pay out doctors in a similar fashion to having a 'quit smoking' conversation. Basically, if a doctor asks you if you smoke, then tells you that you should quit, they get a small payment. Now, insurance companies don't want to pay a doctor for advising a patients parents the benefits of being vaccinated.

This way, by making a patient watch a video, the people who created the video pay the doctor a small amount of cash for showing the video, while racking in big bucks from hospitals because they paid X amount of dollars to obtain said video.

PJ-:This is just a cash move, and very little to do with informing people about vaccines. From my understanding, insurance companies don't want to pay out doctors in a similar fashion to having a 'quit smoking' conversation. Basically, if a doctor asks you if you smoke, then tells you that you should quit, they get a small payment. Now, insurance companies don't want to pay a doctor for advising a patients parents the benefits of being vaccinated.

This way, by making a patient watch a video, the people who created the video pay the doctor a small amount of cash for showing the video, while racking in big bucks from hospitals because they paid X amount of dollars to obtain said video.

meat0918:PJ-: This is just a cash move, and very little to do with informing people about vaccines. From my understanding, insurance companies don't want to pay out doctors in a similar fashion to having a 'quit smoking' conversation. Basically, if a doctor asks you if you smoke, then tells you that you should quit, they get a small payment. Now, insurance companies don't want to pay a doctor for advising a patients parents the benefits of being vaccinated.

This way, by making a patient watch a video, the people who created the video pay the doctor a small amount of cash for showing the video, while racking in big bucks from hospitals because they paid X amount of dollars to obtain said video.

The video is online. You never have to go to the doctor or pay money.

And thinking of it, there will soon be a lot of antivax sites that have the certificate that says you watched it available for printing.

Dr Dreidel:Mikey1969: Just learn to farknig parent, people, stuff like this is simple. Kids don't have to like shots, but nothing says that they have to be scared to death.

Jesus. Seriously.

I stepped on a piece of a Corona bottle last June, and needed 6 stitches in the bottom of my foot. I didn't realize this at the time, but under that thick skin on your sole are roughly the same amount of nerves as your palm. I get to a clinic, and they're about to give me the topical anesthetic so they can sew me up. The doc says "This'll hurt, you ready?" and then they stab me.

Holy Cthulu mother of Baphomet and sister to Mary, Zeus, and Dick Cheney, that farking hurt more than stepping on the glass did. But I got stitched up, and it's healed nicely.

Medicine sometimes hurts. You know what hurts more? Sepsis.

I know exactly how that feels and you may have undersold it. When I was about 12 or 13 my brother left a drinking glass on the stairs while cleaning his bedroom. I stepped on it and it broke under my foot. I was hopping up and down on one foot saying something like "ow, glass, glass, glass, glass, ow." when my mother come around the corner and found blood everywhere, completely freaked out, and took me to the ER. The needle for the topical anesthetic though, lets just say I had some explaining to do about where I learned a few words.

sigdiamond2000:Slackfumasta: How is this different from forcing women to have intra vag ultrasound to force them to hear the heartbeat? It's still government interfering in personal medical affairs.

Just because your side does it doesn't make it right.

If you consider abortion an infectious disease, it's exactly the same.

Also if you consider having a wand shoved up your lady bits the same as having to watch a video for an hour. TOTALLY the same.

/very pro-choice//would actually be totally okay with a neutral video explaining the different abortion procedures and adoption choices, as long as it also mentioned the risks of continuing a pregnancy///no chance in hell it wouldn't be politicized as shiat though

Mikey1969:Just learn to farknig parent, people, stuff like this is simple. Kids don't have to like shots, but nothing says that they have to be scared to death.

My mom was a nurse, and my grandmother was a nurse.My grandmother worked full time as a nurse in a hospital during the depression while a widow and raising three kids. One of them had polio, and she gave him PT every night and he learned how to walk again and have a productive life.

We got vaccinated.And if we said Boo, we got something to cry about.

I'm surprised she hasn't come back from the dead and kicked some antivaxxer ass.

MrScruffles:Is it just me or does this thread have a lot of "vavcination good bc hurrrrr" and "vaccinationbad bc of durrrr"? I mean I know this is fark but the herpa derp levels seem high today.

No. You see two sides that are passionate about their strance, but that's really the only similarity. One side has facts and the other has "muh freedoms" and "watching a video = transvaginal ultrasound"

cchris_39:Starting tomorrow in Oregon, rather than just saying "Nope" and signing a form, you must actually consult your family doctor or watch an hour long online video in order to get a vaccine exemption an abortion

Wonder if that would get the spiffy tag........

I'm no expert on this, but I'm pretty sure anyone seeking an abortion is already consulting a doctor and spending at least an hour learning about the procedure, counseling, etc. As long as it doesn't involve unnecessary medical procedures/costs/waiting periods, I'm ok with that.

Here is the text of the law: https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2013R1/Downloads/MeasureDocument/SB1 3 2.

I thought of another thing I would do if I were an evil villain living in Oregon and wanted to make a buck. Set up a referral service to hook people up with cooperative doctors, like the ones in other states who will write you a prescription for marijuana, or the ones in Florida who will write you a prescription for narcotics.

I don't consider myself an evil villan (My pranks are for shiats and giggles, not real harm...well....usually) and live in Oregon. There are PLENTY of antivax/prepper/closet whatever types around. While I like living in OR more than other places I've lived, there's no shortage of nutjobs of any spectrum. But the AV-ers grate me like nothing else. And they piss and moan when their kids come down with TB or Pertussis or something else. I even know a couple families that have autistic kids and NO vaccinations and blame their conditions on it. Hell one of my GF kids has autism (all 4 are vaccinated) and that bullshiat arguement. And there are docs that will write you scrips for damn near anything. Thankfully some of those people are being ratted out.

Y'all can thank me for getting my shots. And continual boosters. If you get TB or polio, It sure as hell didn't come from me. I also rarely get sick unless I've been in Vegas with 50 people and I can't remember who picked up the bar tab.

Egoy3k:Mikey1969: As an added bonus, you let your kid hold your hand, and tell them to squeeze as hard as they want, the more it hurts, the harder they squeeze, and they can put all the hurt into your hand, because as a grownup you can take it.

I prefer my mother's time honored tradition or telling the kid to stop whining. It worked for me any my brother. She didn't make a big deal out of minor things like needles or cuts and scrapes and bruises so we didn't think they were things to make a big deal out of.

I'll give the kids attention, but what's always worked has been to get them to stop crying first and tell you what happened, show you they can move their hand, arm, whatever, all that stuff, wiggle their fingers, whatever. After that, they've calmed down about 90%, you give them the appropriate kiss better, and a hug, and they run out and play, usually having forgotten that they got hurt in the first place. I still get to look at it when it happens, and make sure it isn't actually something as bad as they think(Which it never is).

Dr Dreidel:I stepped on a piece of a Corona bottle last June, and needed 6 stitches in the bottom of my foot. I didn't realize this at the time, but under that thick skin on your sole are roughly the same amount of nerves as your palm. I get to a clinic, and they're about to give me the topical anesthetic so they can sew me up. The doc says "This'll hurt, you ready?" and then they stab me.

Holy Cthulu mother of Baphomet and sister to Mary, Zeus, and Dick Cheney, that farking hurt more than stepping on the glass did. But I got stitched up, and it's healed nicely.

Yeah, that's the worst... I've had different cuts on my hands, fingers, wrists, from assorted drunken escapades, accidents waiting tables, playing around, etc. At least once, I told the damned doctor to quit jabbing the lidocaine needle in and twisting it around side to side, I would just deal with any more pain that I had from the stitches. That farking stick the needle in, work it under the skin, eject a little anesthetic, move a little more, do it again, rinse, repeat, for like 10 minutes sucks... The stitches with only partial anesthetic were still easier to take. :-)

I tried to say this before and everyone got all wiggy. (again - My kid gets all his shots). All I'm saying is that the anti-vaccine crew makes compelling videos. I'm not saying they are right....just I can understand how people can be swayed after watching them. Especially if they don't know the subject.

I've heard plenty of good arguments to vaccinate from people on this site. Perhaps that should be put into a compelling "Vaccinate your kid - video".

Saying the anti-vaccine crew are idiots and their crotch-fruit should be put in iron lungs, is funny....but doesn't have the same weight as.....vaccines don't have mercury and even if they did it would be less than you get in a tuna fish sandwich. The same trace metals people say are in vaccines are in far greater numbers in multivitamins. Formaldehyde is used to kill bacteria and is also found in potato chips.....well you get the idea, stuff like that.

You biatch and moan when they make laws to ensure a pregnant woman is fully informed about the consequences of an abortion. But you're just fine with this.

Hypocrites, the lot of you.

I don't biatch and moan if a woman is fully informed about abortion. Inform away. I just don't believe in waiting periods, government fees, or other back-door restrictions to exercise what the constitution or the courts have deemed a right. That includes speech, privacy, guns, local rights, and rights not spelled out by the constitution as well.

sigdiamond2000:Sorry, I'm not going to let some sawbones shoot my baby up with autism juice. I know what's best for my baby. I'll bet the same people who have no problem with this are totally against ultrasounds and counseling for baby murder. Probably have no problem with circumcision either. Or tipping at restaurants.

Conversely, I bet people who object to this as government overreach have no problem with waiting periods, government mandated misinformation and rape wands for women seeking abortion.

codenamewizard:I tried to say this before and everyone got all wiggy. (again - My kid gets all his shots). All I'm saying is that the anti-vaccine crew makes compelling videos. I'm not saying they are right....just I can understand how people can be swayed after watching them. Especially if they don't know the subject.

I've heard plenty of good arguments to vaccinate from people on this site. Perhaps that should be put into a compelling "Vaccinate your kid - video".

Saying the anti-vaccine crew are idiots and their crotch-fruit should be put in iron lungs, is funny....but doesn't have the same weight as.....vaccines don't have mercury and even if they did it would be less than you get in a tuna fish sandwich. The same trace metals people say are in vaccines are in far greater numbers in multivitamins. Formaldehyde is used to kill bacteria and is also found in potato chips.....well you get the idea, stuff like that.

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat:Egoy3k: drb9: But if everyone who wants to be vaccinated gets vaccinated, what do they care if the unvaccinated pass the disease amongst themselves?

Vaccines don't work unless enough people in the population get them, also many people have suppressed immune systems and cannot get vaccines, they are also the most at risk of fatal diseases.

By which you mean "herd immunity" effects don't work unless enough people in the population get vaccinated. The vaccines will still work for you, but, unless most of the rest of the population doesn't also get vaccinated, it won't help people that would like to get vaccinated but can't.

No. NO!!! WRONG!!!!

Herd immunity also protects those who get the vaccination from getting a mutated version back from someone else who had the original disease, and transferred it to five other people while infectious.