Your argument is nonsense, you must have failed "critical thinking" in school. Why were the cops at this mans house? Why did they bust into an ex military veteran's home with guns a blazing? If the plant wasn't illegal, that cop would still be alive. I'm not condoning what that man did, its wrong to shoot anyone. But if some half cocked bozos busted into my house and all I saw was gun barrels and ski masks I might start popping a few as well. Our homes are not "war" zones. Why didn't they just walk to the door and knock? Look, if the police dress up like they're going to war, bust into peoples homes like they're going to war, conduct themselves like they're at war, used terms like "war" on drugs, don't be surprised when the people getting attacked and invaded because of this "war" arm themselves and act accordingly. How about we stop with all this "war" nonsense and leave people alone. If someones wants to die because of a plant, sorry, that's on them. You play wih fire, you will get burned. This isn't Afghanistan, his is America. Stop acting like we are at war, unless your ok with getting shot.

fax wrote: Marijuana kills. It's just has to use it's human allies to press the trigger.

...In fact, it cures most cancers and helps most debilitating illnesses.Sorry, but all those Prohibtionist arguments that fearmongers make have been debunked by the end of Prohibition.

It cures most cancers???? Wow, I did not know that. I'm gonna have to write my congressmen to make it legal because it cures most cancers!Dude, making stuff up hurts your cause, it doesn't help it in the least.

Nicon wrote:20,000,000 Americans choose to use Marijuana every year.100,000,00????0 Americans have chosen to use Marijuana in their lifetime.We arrest 1,000,000 Americans for Marijuana offenses each year costing US tax payers 35 Billion dollars.Yet Marijuana kills 0 humans every year. zero. 35 Billion tax dollars spent each year and not a single life was at risk to begin with.

Maybe next year we spend that 35 Billion on infrastructure or schools. Almost anything would benefit us more than Marijuana prohibition does now. Even in States without any Medical Marijuana laws Marijuana is available in every high school and prison in the country.

The full Legalization of Marijuana for adult use would create billions in "new" industry and the taxes that come with it. American Farmers would be free to grow Hemp once again creating billions more in new trade.

There simply are no good reasons to continue our Prohibition of Marijuana.

Jared was shot and killed last Wednesday evening by a Marijuana Advocate/Purveyor/User/Grower. 5 more of Jared's fellow Officers were wounded during the set-ambush [3 critically, 1 moderately, 1 minor], and 6 more Officers came under fire while attempting to aide the wounded/fallen.

Marijuana kills. It's just has to use it's human allies to press the trigger.

It was executing a no-knock warrant on a hunch that got that person killed. One only need look at his photo to judge his intellect. The world actually feels a little lighter with one less moron.

Nicon wrote:20,000,000 Americans choose to use Marijuana every year.100,000,00????0 Americans have chosen to use Marijuana in their lifetime.We arrest 1,000,000 Americans for Marijuana offenses each year costing US tax payers 35 Billion dollars.Yet Marijuana kills 0 humans every year. zero. 35 Billion tax dollars spent each year and not a single life was at risk to begin with.

Maybe next year we spend that 35 Billion on infrastructure or schools. Almost anything would benefit us more than Marijuana prohibition does now. Even in States without any Medical Marijuana laws Marijuana is available in every high school and prison in the country.

The full Legalization of Marijuana for adult use would create billions in "new" industry and the taxes that come with it. American Farmers would be free to grow Hemp once again creating billions more in new trade.

There simply are no good reasons to continue our Prohibition of Marijuana.

Jared was shot and killed last Wednesday evening by a Marijuana Advocate/Purveyor/User/Grower. 5 more of Jared's fellow Officers were wounded during the set-ambush [3 critically, 1 moderately, 1 minor], and 6 more Officers came under fire while attempting to aide the wounded/fallen.

Marijuana kills. It's just has to use it's human allies to press the trigger.

It was executing a no-knock warrant on a hunch that got that person killed. One only need look at his photo to judge his intellect. The world actually feels a little lighter with one less moron.

So you're OK with killing LEO's then. BTW it was a "Knock/Announce" Warrant.

Nicon wrote:20,000,000 Americans choose to use Marijuana every year.100,000,00????0 Americans have chosen to use Marijuana in their lifetime.We arrest 1,000,000 Americans for Marijuana offenses each year costing US tax payers 35 Billion dollars.Yet Marijuana kills 0 humans every year. zero. 35 Billion tax dollars spent each year and not a single life was at risk to begin with.

Maybe next year we spend that 35 Billion on infrastructure or schools. Almost anything would benefit us more than Marijuana prohibition does now. Even in States without any Medical Marijuana laws Marijuana is available in every high school and prison in the country.

The full Legalization of Marijuana for adult use would create billions in "new" industry and the taxes that come with it. American Farmers would be free to grow Hemp once again creating billions more in new trade.

There simply are no good reasons to continue our Prohibition of Marijuana.

Jared was shot and killed last Wednesday evening by a Marijuana Advocate/Purveyor/User/Grower. 5 more of Jared's fellow Officers were wounded during the set-ambush [3 critically, 1 moderately, 1 minor], and 6 more Officers came under fire while attempting to aide the wounded/fallen.

Marijuana kills. It's just has to use it's human allies to press the trigger.

It was executing a no-knock warrant on a hunch that got that person killed. One only need look at his photo to judge his intellect. The world actually feels a little lighter with one less moron.

So you're OK with killing LEO's then. BTW it was a "Knock/Announce" Warrant.

[quote="kingkrbby"]Very few people can make alcoholic beverages without killing themselves. so most people don't make their own Beer or Vodka. On the other hand, anybody can grow a weed, so I often wonder if the tax windfall of legalizing Marijuana will be as great as everyone thinks when everyone has a whole garden growing around their house.

Seriously? What about all the people who home brew? I didn't know so many people were killing themselves! People don't make HARD liquer because it's illegal and you need a heck of a setup to make it. Beer is relatively easy to make and I haven't heard where people have killed themselves with their home brew.

It's fun seeing so many flip out over my comment. Go ahead and use your google people. Marijuana is safer than baby Aspirin. The DEA's own webpage says Marijuana kills 0 people a year. Shot to death during a drug raid is clearly "death by prohibition".

And Rupert: Might i suggest you spend a tiny bit of comment time replying to those that are not totally psychotic.

I do think that marijuana is a safer alternative than prescription drugs and alcohol.... I have read that it does help people who have cancer and are going through chemotherapy with pain management and an appetite..... I also have read numerous studies that says it does keep cancer from metastasizing by retarding the cancer cells.... I've never read that it can cure cancer.... But it certainly can help a cancer patient deal with treatment which I think is a good thing....

kingkrbby wrote:Very few people can make alcoholic beverages without killing themselves. so most people don't make their own Beer or Vodka. On the other hand, anybody can grow a weed, so I often wonder if the tax windfall of legalizing Marijuana will be as great as everyone thinks when everyone has a whole garden growing around their house.

Seriously? What about all the people who home brew? I didn't know so many people were killing themselves! People don't make HARD liquer because it's illegal and you need a heck of a setup to make it. Beer is relatively easy to make and I haven't heard where people have killed themselves with their home brew.

RIGHT?!?! Colorado is not only home to a whole bunch of Marijuana stores, but were also home to countless liqure stores, a fist full of HOME BREW outfitters/supply stores.

I get the theory that Marijuana is a weed, and any moron can grow it, but that is only sorta true. Anyone can grow ditch weed. It grows wild over most of the United States. Quality Medical Quality Cannabis takes more than a seed and some hope. Years of experience and education are required to grow top shelf Marijuana. Sorta like how the existence of HOME BREW supply stores did not destroy Coors or Budweiser.

Marijuana will never be legalized until these scum politicians can legislate the $$ into the government coffers,its that simple, and these attempts by law makers are just their rough drafts on doing so.

The Federal government can now tax YOU for simply being alive. How can that be considered being Free ?

growing your own marijuana is NOT that difficult. With a little investment, investigation, and determination you can produce to top shelf medical grade weed and it does not take years to get there. You need some room and privacy (I wouldn't attempt it in an appartment building) but above all you need to keep your mouth shut.

fax wrote: Marijuana kills. It's just has to use it's human allies to press the trigger.

Nope. The "human allies" did the killing. The plant did not. Their motivation was the profit line induced by the state making it illegal and thereby driving the price up. That's yet another case of government mesing up the market and in the case of making something illegal that shouldn't be, it's government causing people to get killed. Not the plant.

The only way that cannabis kills is if one gets crushed under a falling bale of the stuff. Maybe that happened once.

In fact, it cures most cancers and helps most debilitating illnesses.

Sorry, but all those Prohibtionist arguments that fearmongers make have been debunked by the end of Prohibition.

Tell your feeble/addled theory/ideas/etc. to Erin Francom and the families of the Officers shot in Ogden last Wednesday night.

I'll be happy to tell her directly that her husband caused his own death. Please post her contact info, then go enroll in a remedial course in the relationship between cause and effect so that you might try to start understanding that the culprit here is prohibition and the Know Nothing prohibitionists who support it, like Oaficer Francom. The only thing that makes me sad is that only one of the home invasion gangsters was dispatched.

The motto of the Know Nothing prohibitionist is:"Never let the facts stand in the way of disseminating an effective piece of hysterical rhetoric."

durable opinion wrote:along with better service, I suspect that a "Cannabis Credit Union" will be able to offer higher interest rate returns that banks would ever offer.

Funny that banks would turn down an opportunity to fleece these business Owners.

It is just lening money, federal regulations prevent federal chartered banks from doing ANY business with criminal enterprises. Growing and selling pot is a criminal enterprise in the eyes of the Feds.

They just don't need lending, but a place to do all their banking. Deposit money, write and clear checks.

Too bad we can't get enough support from the stoners to recognize the harm done to the States by the Federal government and their intrusive legislation. marijuana laws are perfect example of a State's Rights being violated.

Why is this a Republican issue then? If Republicans claim to be so interested in state's right's why do they still deny the fact that the MAJORITY of voters want these measures passed? The government is arresting people for simply following state law and the Republicans remain silent unless it involves their issues. True hypocrisy.

The introduction of these co-op's is a GREAT idea for Colorado and it's marijuana community. When the government started terrorizing the banks to shut out the industry, it was ADVOCATING armed robbery and murder in our beautiful city as all these shops became an immediate target of criminals due to the large amounts of cash lying around. Co-ops would be safer for the industry, the employees, and the community.

durable opinion wrote:along with better service, I suspect that a "Cannabis Credit Union" will be able to offer higher interest rate returns that banks would ever offer.

Funny that banks would turn down an opportunity to fleece these business Owners.

It is just lening money, federal regulations prevent federal chartered banks from doing ANY business with criminal enterprises. Growing and selling pot is a criminal enterprise in the eyes of the Feds.

They just don't need lending, but a place to do all their banking. Deposit money, write and clear checks.

Too bad we can't get enough support from the stoners to recognize the harm done to the States by the Federal government and their intrusive legislation. marijuana laws are perfect example of a State's Rights being violated.

Why is this a Republican issue then? If Republicans claim to be so interested in state's right's why do they still deny the fact that the MAJORITY of voters want these measures passed? The government is arresting people for simply following state law and the Republicans remain silent unless it involves their issues. True hypocrisy.

Well because one thing (state's rights) has nothing to do with the other(denying what ever measures you think they are denying).

In fact, one need only look at the voting results for the constitutional amendment legalizing MMJ to conclude Republicans voted yes on that measure

Your comment about hypocrisy makes zero sense. Republicans are the folks arguing for State's Right. By definition that means they want the Federal government to leave the State's alone on matters that are not expressly delegated to the Feds. Among many other things, that would include drug laws. But to be clear, you think that unless the specifically list each and every item not specifically delegated to the Federal government in the Constitution, they are being hypocrites.

So, when will the Liberals step-up and join the Conservatives on demanding States be left alone except with respect to those items specifically delegated in the Constitution instead of trotting out their favorite line of all time "general welfare" every time they want to take control away from local control and centralize it in Washington.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views. William F. Buckley, Jr.

Bellarubia wrote:People need to see just how many people are killed by Marajuana and how many people are killed by alcohol and prescription drugs..... I wonder what they'll find...... Hmmmmm.......?

People just need to see how many people in this country are killed by howitzers and rocket launchers and how many are killed by alcohol and prescription drugs... I wonder what they'll find... Hmmmmmm We should probably legalize howitzers and rocket launchers.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views. William F. Buckley, Jr.