Let me date my self In 1973 I was at an airfield waiting to board a jet that was bound for on of the oil countrys.That was during the arab-oil embargo.You would think that by now this would not be a problem.No leadership in this country.Big oil rules the planet and will destroy everything and everyone to continue making profits.

no doubt. I understand that. We should avoid plastic whenever possible (although we can not avoid it entirely), we should boycott gasoline as much as possible (although we cannot do that entirely either. But every bit will help. Agitate for politicians to end the fossil fuel subsidies, pressure divestment, take part in protests & boycotts against fossil fuel.

Tri-Generation Fuel Cell Installation at a Landfill in Vancouver, Canada

DANBURY, Conn., Feb. 28, 2013 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE) -- FuelCell Energy, Inc. (Nasdaq:FCEL) a global leader in the design, manufacture, operation and service of ultra-clean, efficient and reliable fuel cell power plants, today announced a contract to demonstrate a tri-generation stationary fuel cell power plant near Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada, utilizing landfill gas as the fuel source. The landfill gas clean-up will be performed by Quadrogen Power Systems, Inc., the prime contractor, and the cleaned landfill gas will be used by the fuel cell power plant to generate multiple revenue streams, including ultra-clean electricity, usable high quality heat and renewable hydrogen. The heat in the form of hot water will be supplied to Village Farms, a leading hydroponic greenhouse operator in North America. Renewable hydrogen will also be exported for vehicle fueling or industrial applications.

"Part of our corporate strategy is to be highly sustainable and responsible steward of natural resources," said Jonathan Bos, Development Director, Village Farms International, Inc. "We are excited to be participants in the fuel cell landfill gas project to ascertain its benefits both to our business by converting harmful waste gas into food grade carbon dioxide, as well as other business opportunities coming out of other value streams from the landfill waste gas."

"This technology will help greenhouse operators improve their competitiveness by making their operations more environmentally and economically sustainable through the use of biogas," said Canadian Agriculture Minister Gerry Ritz. "We are proud to be a partner in these types of innovative energy solutions that increase the profitability of the agriculture sector."

"Partnering with FuelCell Energy combines our gas clean-up expertise with the tri-generation power output of the stationary fuel cells as we convert a harmful byproduct of landfills into multiple revenue streams," said Alakh Prasad, President & CEO, Quadrogen Power Systems, Inc. "Cleaning landfill gas before it is used by the fuel cells represents unique challenges of removing impurities that can impact fuel cell performance as well as removing harmful organic chemicals which do not affect the fuel cells but can't be released to the atmosphere."

"This project provides our first opportunity to demonstrate the application of our Direct FuelCell technology with renewable landfill gas, in addition to advancing our hydrogen co-production technology," said Tony Leo, Vice President Application Engineering & Advanced Technology Development, FuelCell Energy, Inc. "Landfill gas is a large potential market, which presents unique gas cleanup requirements. Our partner in this project, Quadrogen Power Systems, has developed an effective cleanup technology, as demonstrated by the high performance of their equipment at an existing hydrogen co-production fuel cell installation in California that is providing ultra-clean electricity and hydrogen for vehicle fueling from renewable biogas generated by a wastewater treatment plant."

The landfill for the City of Vancouver, Canada has an advanced gas collection system. Some of the gas is flared, wasting a potential fuel source and generating pollutants such as smog producing nitrogen oxide (NOx). Using the landfill gas to generate ultra-clean power converts a waste disposal problem into an environmentally friendly source of revenue. Power production is expected to commence in early 2014. A successful project demonstration could potentially lead to additional projects at this landfill as well as other landfills.

Agriculture and Agri-Food Canada is investing in this project by providing a repayable contribution through the Government of Canada's Canadian Agricultural Adaptation Program, which aims to help the Canadian agricultural sector adapt and remain competitive. In British Columbia, this program is delivered by the Investment Agriculture Foundation.

Other project partners include Sustainable Development Technology Canada (SDTC), National Research Council of Canada (NRC), and BC Bioenergy Network.

Direct FuelCell® (DFC®) power plants generate continuous baseload power in a highly efficient and environmentally friendly process. Due to the absence of combustion in the fuel cell power generation process, virtually no pollutants are emitted such as nitrogen oxide (NOx), sulfur dioxide (SOx) or particulate matter (PM10), resulting in ultra-clean power generation. The power plants are fuel flexible, using readily available fuel sources such as natural gas, renewable biogas, directed biogas, or for this project, landfill gas. The electro-chemical power generation process does not utilize all of the hydrogen generated from the fuel source so the unused hydrogen can be used for other purposes such as vehicle fueling or industrial purposes, as this application will demonstrate.

The high efficiency of the fuel cell power generation process results in low carbon emissions, particularly when compared to combustion based power generation alternatives. Power generation from a fuel source such as landfill gas is typically considered carbon-neutral due to the renewable nature of the fuel source.

This project will include FuelCell Energy's solid-state electrochemical hydrogen separation and compression (EHSC) technology application, which efficiently and cost effectively purifies and compresses hydrogen for industrial uses or vehicle fueling.

Village Farms International, Inc. (TSE:VFF) grows and markets greenhouse-grown vegetables in North America. With more than 200 acres of greenhouses, Village Farms is a leader in the hydroponic greenhouse industry.

Quadrogen Power Systems, Inc. builds and installs high performance biogas clean-up solutions capable of purifying renewable fuels from any source. The clean-up technologies are modular and scalable to cost effectively purify landfill gas, digester gas, or syngas. The company is headquartered in Vancouver, BC, Canada. More information is available at www.quadrogen.com

About FuelCell Energy

Direct FuelCell® power plants are generating ultra-clean, efficient and reliable power at more than 50 locations worldwide. With more than 300 megawatts of power generation capacity installed or in backlog, FuelCell Energy is a global leader in providing ultra-clean baseload distributed generation to utilities, industrial operations, universities, municipal water treatment facilities, government installations and other customers around the world. The Company's power plants have generated more than 1.5 billion kilowatt hours of ultra-clean power using a variety of fuels including renewable biogas from wastewater treatment and food processing, as well as clean natural gas. For more information, please visit our website at www.fuelcellenergy.com

This news release contains forward-looking statements, including statements regarding the Company's plans and expectations regarding the continuing development, commercialization and financing of its fuel cell technology and business plans. All forward-looking statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected. Factors that could cause such a difference include, without limitation, whether the Company is able to reach definitive agreements on the terms contemplated in the memorandums of agreement with POSCO Energy, general risks associated with product development, manufacturing, changes in the regulatory environment, customer strategies, potential volatility of energy prices, rapid technological change, competition, and the Company's ability to achieve its sales plans and cost reduction targets, as well as other risks set forth in the Company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The forward-looking statements contained herein speak only as of the date of this press release. The Company expressly disclaims any obligation or undertaking to release publicly any updates or revisions to any such statement to reflect any change in the Company's expectations or any change in events, conditions or circumstances on which any such statement is based.

Now picture that same row with 5 or more levels ( or 5 times the wind turbines stacked.

Now take that row that is now 5 or more stories high and put a 2nd matching construct behind it - attached to the 1st row to lend structrual strength - now add a third row and maybe a 4th and 5th row etc - maybe go up now 60 stories.

What kind of power is now being generated on that small foot print - that clean operation?

I don't facebook - I used to - before they went wallstreet. There are a lot of gr8 alternative power information sources available to examine on the Internet. A lot of gr8 educational sources for the public. It is good to see the different groups tapping into social media to spread the word.

Check out the Hopewell project. Btw I don't avoid social networking I encourage it's use - I just do not go on-line to let everyone know that i am eating a bagel or something like that - I use it to post educational information and notices of upcoming protests and such. Twitter being the network that I use currently.

No prob. That power plant you placed the article about? That is like the power plant that was opened in Orange County. This technology is being implemented - but it needs massive support from the public to get it implemented faster as fast as possible considering where we are in the global warming process.

We have major consequences that will have to be dealt with - learned to live with - but we need to implement change ASAP to reduce the severity of what is to come - of what is already happening. What is coming if we stop polluting now will be bad - if we don't stop - what is coming will only get worse and worse.

"Beatley is only encouraged by these projects, which he seems gaining momentum everywhere — green roofs and rainwater capture in Portland, sustainability-minded aquaponics ventures in New York and Detroit, an exhaustive biodiversity survey in Singapore, a successful protest of harmful coastal development in Australia."

Wisconny is Mn's neighbor to the east - we share lake superior - also with Canada and Michigan. The environment is under attack all across the USA by special interest groups ( fossil fuel #1 ) - and also around the whole planet.

BULLSHIT - the POST is about supporting green energy. And in case you have failed to note : Fossil Fuel CorpoRATions "are" strangling this economy as well as "Killing Our Planet" - They are a central figure tied to wallstreet that is driving our country and the world into the mud.

See why people wonder just "who" the fuck are "you" ? You attack what is a central issue. "Those last 2 sentences were for your benefit in case you missed your error"

Wind power is not a central issue to Occupy. Nobody wonders who I am but you. You want to discuss the companies that are tearing down our economy, feel free, that would be on topic. But we both know you won't, you will only continue fostering an atmosphere of useless diatribe.

I've had my doubts about RKG for a very long time - He likes to be disruptive - as he also likes to consider what ever he posts as golden - while even attacking those that might agree with a point he might make from time to time. He is all over the place - and it seems to be on purpose.

[-] 1 points by shooz (14150) 15 minutes ago

I've asked richard and he seems unable to grasp the concept.

Instead he will repeat himself till a thread runs out so he can have the illusion of the last word.

It's been the teabagge(R) way around here, so that makes me wonder.

In fact he now seems to be following the teabagge(R) forum disruption video very closely these days.
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Yep - wallstreet/corpoRATions further investing in the failure of the USA economy. Their continuing program of profits for them and fuck everyone else. HOW IS IT THAT THIS IS NOT RECOGNIZED FOR WHAT IT IS ???

[-] 2 points by shooz (14129) 5 minutes ago

Libe(R)tarians have always had a hard time with that simple concept.

Now add in shipping jobs elsewhere and the problem is compounded, because there's even less in the US economy.
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Yep - what is removed must be replaced - value drops - due to the fact - one of many - that the hoarded money must still be reflected on the books. And that Hoarded money is a net deficit to the Country/Economy because it has been removed from play/circulation.

[-] 1 points by shooz (14129) 0 minutes ago

Some of them can't even accept the fact that as this money goes into those accounts the FED has to print more to make up for it.

It's like they just can't grasp that simple concept.
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And so the American dream ( which used to be possible ) Becomes pure Fantasy.

Can not the People See That wallstreet managing the Fed has allowed over thirty trillion dollars to be sucked straight out of the economy and into off shore non-taxed HOARDS ????? No doubt including profits made from their being bailed out.

[-] 2 points by shooz (14129) 0 minutes ago

Care for a lottery ticket?

How about 10?

You know you don't have enough to "WIN" in the WallStreet casino.

And so it goes.

Don't forget the lottery profits go to the schools.....................(not)

Oooops, they were just kidding about that.
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Though the operation of the Fed "is" fucked-up. That can be addressed along with all of the issues as We The People get involved in reclaiming our governments ( state and fed ). The People addressing issue's supporting campaigns like Move To Amend - getting involved and staying involved - making our voices heard.

[-] 2 points by shooz (14118) 0 minutes ago

It's always an attempt to drag it back to the political arena, like blaming the FED instead of WallStreet.
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Stock market wallstreet manipulating the Fed = HUGE CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN THE STABILITY OF THIS COUNTRY.

I mean - HAS NO ONE WONDERED ??? - No interest paid to individual savings accounts - HAS NO ONE SEEN THE CONNECTION ??? - you want to earn on your money - YOU HAVE TO GAMBLE WITH IT - AND ONLY THE GAMBLING HOUSES WIN !!!!

[-] 2 points by shooz (14129) 0 minutes ago

I've said this before too.

Throw WallStreet out of the FED. Conflict of interest, of truly dangerous proportions.

Notice they crashed the Worlds economy, and are now using the FED as a foil, cover and distraction of their actions.and involvement.
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Wind power doesn't drive cars. The thread does not point out mechanisms used to suppress green tech by the current kings of energy. This thread doesn't do anything but pull the heart strings of the liberal class. It's fluff. Try again.

That, and I've mention multiple times that the ability to incorporate is not a right, but a privilege that we the people grant them, and there isn't a single reason in the world that we can't have every single corporate charter re-written in a way that serves the people and the nation instead of the investors..

The People the Country the World/Environment and last of all - yes - investors too. Rules of incorporation that protect and support the people/environment/country/world - this should not be a difficult thing to do - hell let investors earn the same rate as a savings account - something like .1 or .01 %?

Because we all contribute to the problem. Energy is not an Occupy issue because we do nothing to change it. We rely on the current model and as such, we are guilty. You want to provide hard data about the suppression of options, please do so.

Knocking down CorpoRATions to proper size as well as to proper legal operation "IS". And that gets support from supporting the implementation of green technology. Which by the way would hurt Koch and Haliburton and BP and Shell and etc etc etc etc. And would affect wallstreet directly as directly as ending the use of fossil fuel would affect those corpoRATions.

That isn't what this thread or your comments are about. You cannot imply context for credibility when the context doesn't exist. FACTS, INFORMATION. If we wanted fluff, we could just turn on the fucking television.

How is calling for support of green technology implementation - not pertinent to this post? Wind power is green technology and should be supported - but it is not the only green technology - and my call is in addition to supporting green wind power credits for the developing industry.

BTW - In case you were not aware - knocking out the use of fossil fuel - would also drive down the need for the military industrial complex and the needless loss of life around the world ( our lives and their lives ).

lol. Naive. If the government wanted to switch to green energy, they would. We stay on oil because it provides an excuse and window to international power and influence. You could take two coils of opposing metals the size of refrigerators, bury them in your back yard and power your house for free. Harnessing natural energy was demystified in the 1800's jack ass.

Hey Jackass - we are here because the government is not doing the right things - for this country - and for the world. Did You Forget That We Are Protesting And Supporting Actions For The Public To Support?

Did You Forget That This Is A Grass-Roots Movement To Get The Public Involved In Fighting What Is Wrong In This Country And The World?

Do you Really Fail To Understand - That these Issues Are For The Public To Unite In Support Of Recovering Our Government?

I understand that the forum has been kettled into a realm of fluff and non-information. I understand that threads with hard data always float to the bottom. I understand that even when those threads with hard data expose how the 99% is being fucked over, you and yours do everything you can to nullify and neutralize the issue and after you trash the threads you continue floating nonsense like this thread to the top. I understand it's being done with such reliability that is is provably systematic and intentional. Talking to you doesn't change that. And I will continue pointing it out. I will continue posting hard data. I will continue calling you and yours out for suppressing it and floating fluff. This battle is not new. In fact, it's so not new that these operations are common knowledge and I have the documents to prove that doing on this forum has a monetary value. I will not relent.

Wow RKG - you are so screwed up. I mean if you believe the crap you spew on other individuals threads that are in support of Occupy and more importantly the People and the World. The fight against corpoRATion ownership of government environment people and the world - is an extensive front that all ties together. And You Call It Fluff what kind of a blind fool are you? Or are you just a subversive?

BS - RKG - BS - just like much of your interaction on this forum - at least you are consistent in that regard - BS - in case you already forgot - you are a natural at slinging it - it seems - or you really do have comprehension problems.

I am not sure "when" you were born but China has copied thousands of things that the US has either created or started. So do not even go there blaming it on the right. Also the majority of the solar companies. (almost all of them) have resulted in failure and a lot of wasted tax dollars. All of the greentech firms that went belly up were also obama campaign contributors "hmm, makes you wonder"

Fossil fuels cannot be eliminated until there is an alternative working replacement in place. This is going to take years to achieve but you libs think it will happen overnight or it has already happened.

Like what programs and where is GM's electric car that the taxpayers are funding? Oh that's right, they halted production on it again. Looks like many did not opt to buy the volt that only travels 40 miles on a charge. GM only had a spike in sales because GE employees were forced to buy them and that is only because GE is making the batteries for them.

Might help them what? go down the road for a few miles and then plug them in for another eight hours for a re-charge. As far as the Chevy volt goes, I would not even pay scrap price for it. Batteries in them last less than four years and cost 10,000 to replace, no thanks

Where is your proof that longer life and cheaper ones are right around the corner??? Electric car would be suitable for a city idiot but not for country boys. Not unless we used them for checking the mail, etc

People that wear towels on their heads is the only reason for increased security for air travel. Not too mention that they own about 80% of the motels, party stores in the US. And the stores, motels that they do own they turned them into slums.

No I am not afraid of them at all and for the most part a lot of them are not very clean people. Evidence of that is when you stay at one of their motels and you can tell that the sheets or some of the rooms have not been cleaned in a very long time. Some of them (not all) are very filthy people

hahah calling me a shrill, good drive more people away from this movement.

Dk i remember getting in with you earlier in the year well im still here and you haven't changed the world yet while i have with research and other scientific advances so yes call me a shrill but in actuality i have done more for our society than you have with your computer

Nope - not gonna - as I have a dispute with them that is ongoing. I will tell you that the product line dealt with quick connects for fluid and gas transfer as well as for pressure and vacuum testing - high pressure ( in excess of 5000 lbs ) vacuum testing to minus 120 lbs. per sq inch. Production equipment and testing equipment.

No your spelling my degree wrong and i find it insulting. considering there is no reason to abbreviate it like that. Also unless you have a degree in it i suggest you spell it correctly considering an Engineer has designed everything you are using today.

We build things to the best of our ablity but when things go down the road better tech and systems are found or it is found that systems are not correctly calculated . Flaws are not made on purpose but just known to happen a spinning rod will eventually break due to torsion on the rod its not the engineer fault when it breaks. Materials are not perfect systems will fail its a matter of probability.

Im talking about nuclear not fossil fuel since fossil fuel is not like nuclear in anyway shape or form. Since im only talking about nuclear energy i want to know is there any way shape or form that they are pushing away from green tech

Considering they are the only major platform of zero emission energy i think they are leading the green tech

I know people that lobby for companies for nuclear power but i never heard of them pushing green tech away. Thats something i never heard and nuclear company say. So find that for me because Ive done the research and i cant find it. When you find it feel free to put it here ill be waiting
http://occupywallst.org/forum/nuclear-energy/

It cost a lot of money to build a nuclear power plant with years of planning and getting permits. I know they are advocating build more towers. Thats what they are lobbying to get. Not putting down green companies

First of all its not propaganda if its factual information. The reason i raised it to 6k is to show the life span of a wind turbine is 20 years with maintenance while the nuclear power plant is 60 years. Its simple math

These turbines are larger than the statue of liberty and same size if she was laid down sidewise. That's a huge space for one turbine. now lets put six million in the mix. Do we have enough areas for wind to actually be worth building six million. these fields cannot be one giant one but spaced out over the land. Since California and New York have already opted out since they are to ugly to be put near them. where do we put them. In the Midwest well we could but there is already farms in the Midwest that are not doing so well. What about down south no i don't think they would allow it. So find an area large enough for these turbines that averages 34 miles an hour wind 24/7. Using 34 since it is 2mw turbine used in the link provided.

§The rated, or nominal, wind speed is the speed at which the turbine produces power at its full capacity. For example the GE 1.5s does not generate 1.5 MW of power until the wind is blowing steadily at 27 mph or more. As the wind falls below that, power production falls exponentially.

Liquid Hydrogen can fuel jets. Hell Liquid Hydrogen could fuel everything. There are already hybrid vehicles that can burn both gasoline and propane just by flipping a switch on the dashboard. Liquid propane bottling is no different then liquid hydrogen bottling. Gas stations can refill your liquid propane bottles right now. How difficult would it be for them to handle liquid hydrogen bottle refills?

It takes a few more than that but also depends on where it is and how heavy the windmill is with crane load capacity. But here is the main problem efficiency of the motor that is the real task of upgrading and re designing a motor to be more efficient

But you are right i dont have a degree yet im working on it right now.

The safest tech/construction methods that we have developed for nuclear plants CANNOT be applied to existing 30 - 50 year old as "upgrades". I disagree with you and daddy regardless of any unprovable degrees you hype.

I'm not waiting in my apt to die. I fighting for the widescale use & solution of greentech energy.

then get off the internet your using energy up that could be used for better things.

Why can upgrades be applied to windmills but not to nuclear power plants isnt that biased.

Sure dont believe me, My father and I are actually in positions to change this world and how it uses energy. So keep believing the bullshit that you are being fed and ill be over here doing actual work.

Save your feelings and declarations of egotistical superiority for someone who does not have a clue - I have spent over twelve years helping Mechanical Engineers make functioning functional and serviceable products.

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1232) 5 minutes ago

No your spelling my degree wrong and i find it insulting. considering there is no reason to abbreviate it like that. Also unless you have a degree in it i suggest you spell it correctly considering an Engineer has designed everything you are using today.

We build things to the best of our ablity but when things go down the road better tech and systems are found or it is found that systems are not correctly calculated . Flaws are not made on purpose but just known to happen a spinning rod will eventually break due to torsion on the rod its not the engineer fault when it breaks. Materials are not perfect systems will fail its a matter of probability.
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You can't figger out M-chanical?
Provide a link for the Japanese landing on an asteroid.

Accidental flaws are one thing - intentional non repairable equipment is another - and that would likely be only called a flaw by those who purchase the product only to find out that service maintenance is severely limited to needing to replace the whole unit rather then a piece of a whole unit.

[-] 0 points by DanielBarton (1232) 0 minutes ago

First of all what the hell is M-chanical?

Yes designs are flawed and worked on over and over and over. But in over all design and output Nuclear power plants are better than wind turbines in efficiency. It just a matter of numbers.

You say i have alot of blind spots but as you see im a mechanical engineer there are many different types of engineers to cover for what we can not see. But that does not apply to wind turbines and efficiency since i deal with this as it is a simple motor. I see that it is unreliable i see the faults in the design i also know that to repair them is impossible with the same design. The design that is most efficient is being used but even then it is still not returning energy as we expected.

You also never responded to my comment about the Japanese landing on an asteroid
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No your spelling my degree wrong and i find it insulting. considering there is no reason to abbreviate it like that. Also unless you have a degree in it i suggest you spell it correctly considering an Engineer has designed everything you are using today.

We build things to the best of our ablity but when things go down the road better tech and systems are found or it is found that systems are not correctly calculated . Flaws are not made on purpose but just known to happen a spinning rod will eventually break due to torsion on the rod its not the engineer fault when it breaks. Materials are not perfect systems will fail its a matter of probability.

Yes designs are flawed and worked on over and over and over. But in over all design and output Nuclear power plants are better than wind turbines in efficiency. It just a matter of numbers.

You say i have alot of blind spots but as you see im a mechanical engineer there are many different types of engineers to cover for what we can not see. But that does not apply to wind turbines and efficiency since i deal with this as it is a simple motor. I see that it is unreliable i see the faults in the design i also know that to repair them is impossible with the same design. The design that is most efficient is being used but even then it is still not returning energy as we expected.

You also never responded to my comment about the Japanese landing on an asteroid

we do update them with better sensors and computers are you sure you know what you are talking about at all. Because i grew up with nuclear power my father who has environmental engineering degree and a masters in nuclear engineering is telling me the tech for nuclear energy on most plants is up to date. He also is against solar and wind for some reason maybe because after 30 years of working in industry he knows that nuclear power is the way to go.

by the way his job is to make sure the spent nuclear fuel is put away safely from being used.

so do you have a degree from a top internationally ranked Engineering school if so ill shut up. Until then ill have a better knowledge than you and im to know you are no where near energy design because you show absolute no knowledge of basic construction, physics, and common sense.

Call me a shrill all you want but im actually working to solve problems you are just waiting in your apartment to die

He also thinks it would be quicker to industrialize space prior to upgrading the planetary infra structure to be green in a necessary compliment/support to funding the drive to industrialize space. He has a lot of apparent blind spots - but he is not the 1st engineer that I have met that was the same way.

QA will often send design back to engineering due to the fact that they missed one or more items of function and application.

[-] 2 points by VQkag2 (13088) 2 minutes ago

He could just be messin with me, or simply just a big nuclear supporter who has no regard for facts. Also possible, A fossil fuel shill trying to discredit green tech at all costs.

when plasma screen tv's first appeared on the market, a typical price was around $8,000. the good old fashioned vacuum tube tv's were just fine. time went by, the manufacturing process progressed, and the price went down. The price goes down and more plasma screen tv's are sold.
No matter how green the energy and no matter how eco-friendly the product, if it is more expensive than your wicked fossil fuel vehicles, no one with a budget will buy it. When the price goes down, more people will buy and invest in these alternative energies.

It would be interesting to see all subsidies go away.
Instead of subsidies, perhaps an investment - a government loan for a company with a good track record for success based on its science, business plan, etc, not who one knows in government.

All the environmental destruction is from behavior. Our species has a survival and evolution problem.

This simple and accurate perspective is almost always abandoned in favor of sensational aspect of more, greater problems. Rather that discussion on solution based in people learning to modify their own behaviors, we have discussion about problems.

Psychology needs to show the public the truth about behaviors. They are controlled by the unconscious mind.

Our society rejects the unconscious mind because it IS a merge of church and state through the conditioning applied over some generations, + the dumbing down.

There are many good people that have the same integrity and awareness that you present in your post. However, free speech is abridged, so they cannot find one another to create alliance and set example of alternative life styles that might engage the unconscious directly to enable people to make many small sacrifices in wants/desires while increasing the fulfillment of life.

The courts are unjust and unconstitutional while psychology neglects the unconscious because the power of state will disapprove and disempower if they do not avoid addressing the issues of the human unconscious directly.

This is a profound dysfunction because the proportions of conscious to unconscious that we all have show us that life is REALLY, mostly an unconscious event. This graphic shows the proportions.

A mostly non political effort that change the conditions of politics because it leads to an examination of the human unconscious mind is a far more powerful strategy than most people realize.

It's the kind of thing that should have been done 30 years ago, but wasn't because it would reveal too much about our nature. It's the kind of thing that should be done no matter what else is happening.

We have legions of drug addicts, curiously, many would probably agree with many of the quality perspectives put forth on this forum. However, they have given up on themselves and society in their daily living. They are killing themselves in the most gratifying way, and they really don't want to.

If citizens of states look at state laws, some dictate that local municipalities MUST work with the public to develop investigational and experimental medical treatments if their is a chance of a loss of life without the treatment.

The advanced activist that recognized that the unconscious, for the most part, is in control of the human, must align with others to create reasonable public demand that the hippocratic oath be followed by the states doctors.

There are people working on this. One has posted here in the past and has a page on the treatment.

There are links to legal stuff the guy did. His efforts appear to have been so instrinsic to the secret control, that the local court rules were secretly revised to deprive him of access to courts. I spent quite a bit of time on that site. It changed my perspective on activism completely.

With academia and industry reviewing technologies that are optimized for the transition, then the sustainable state.

These are the reasons we need Article V. Amendment making national guidence for states and counties where corporations are embedded will greatly speed this process.

If that's the case, then we are back to preparatory amendment and the people defining constitutional intent because that controls Article V. BTW, I do not support Article V without preparatory amendment which includes the 3 I propose. They are the most constitutional imaginable.

There is no such thing as preparatory amendment. There are only proposed changes to be forwarded pushed for campaigned for - like the Move to Amend campaign - if you want to call their ( MTA ) a preparatory amendment - then fine - because the Move To Amend campaign is using the constitutional process that is in place as outlined in article V. The proposed change is laid out - what happens to that proposal is another matter once it goes to consideration - of which the people have no control over what happens in the consideration process.

The nwo appreciates your efforts to confuse what is simple human instinct which the constitution supports. Pretending you don't understand the basis for\, life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness will not blur peoples ability to see your evasion, manipulation and un accountability.

About Article V and constitutional intent. The nwo would want people to think such things are babble. They would not want people to share and understand information needed to survive. If this is not true, then;

"Which mother or father in this nation will ignore or pass up the real opportunity to assure their child will grow into a nation that holds high and honors understanding that can create; forgiveness, tolerance, acceptance, respect, trust, friendship and love, protecting their life, their liberty and their pursuit of happiness?"

"The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate."

And of course you refuse to examine constitutional intent, so your credibility as a freedom loving American is long gone.

Yup, constitutional intent must be engaged to be constitutional. You've refused. Article V is constitutional intent originating with the Declaration of Independence, meaning it's even worse than I first thought.

You don't see educated people. Slowly that is changing. Mostly, now, they are learning (or trying to cope with the fact) that the ows methods don't work and are making the movement unpopular.

While that is happening, they are looking at other options. Amongst those is the notion that the law that gave the right for the ows protests to happen, needs direct and overt support because the cops working to control the protests are supposedly dedicated to observing the law.

If protests always have overt defense of the constitution visible, it's going to be hard to term protesters terrorists. The simple logic of this is moving more and more Americans to abandon partisan politics and this form of sensationalistic political action that is purely social with no legal process.

Political issues of media origin are sensational matters that the public can't do much about, but have interest in. They are basically minor issues within the structure of the problem Americans are faced with and they are used to distract from the controlling factors.

The issue of congress failing to call an Article V in 1911 is a far greater violation of the constitution than just about any event in the last century,IF we are talking about things that control all of America. That issue has never been on the news. If the movement knew what that really meant, they wouldn't bother with the small stuff.

Yes, there still are constitutional judges that will properly hear civil rights cases. However, this is a nation where EVERY judge has to do that, and if they don't, they have to be removed. Until the capacity exists to do that, many of the hot issues of media alternative or main, will simply be distractions.

Oh ok. Then I guess you think I am not honest when I say I don't understand?

What I do understand is that you are doing very little to explain, & convince anyone about your progress, or that your efforts aren't part of the right wing effort to tighten they're grip on the peoples govt.

You are not honest. Article V is the law of the land. It has been explained to you and the strategy proposed. Your perceptions are flawed if you think any thing I do matches the typical behavior of the distortion, label, of partisan origin that you use.

I live in the Country and thank God I do not live in or near a city. Although out here in the Country, some fields are littered with the wind farm crap. I know that when the funding runs out for them then there will be hundreds of idle ones setting out in the farmers fields.

You are correct and the US has more oil in the ground right now than the Middle East has ever had. With the restrictions on both oil and coal from the epa and obummer admin (Note, that there will be some very strict policies coming from both of them very soon) the epa and obama admin is going to severely cripple the US. Industries like Caterpillar etc are also going to be crushed by the restrictions. Look for massive layoffs to come in the near future

Maybe a couple businesses failed. That's capitalism. They don't fail they evolve. Corporate welfare should end. Green investments at the individual level do help us industry develop solar for individuals to get solar is good investment for country.

Greentech actions should NOT include natural gas. NG is a hydrocarbon, it's dirty, and fracking ruins our environment ....... but BO will support it as he does the keystone P/L. Methane is 25 times MORE a greenhouse gas than co2.

TRUE - LNG use from Fracking ( Fracking needs to be Banned ) should be banned - the pres seems to have overlooked(?) the poisoning of the environment caused by fracking. Blood Diamonds are banned/illegal shouldn't fracked LNG be the same?

Thanks to The Powell Memo (also known as the Powell Manifesto, http://reclaimdemocracy.org/powell_memo_lewis/), ignorant and propagandized RW Zombies like you are retarded in the knowledge of Big Fossil collusion to perpetuate the pollution and taxpayer subsidies (costs) all for continued record profits. GREED!!