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Re: What is your religion?

You just keep in telling yourself that, maybe one day you might convince someone that it's true.

where did the universe come from athiest?

Please link scientifically as to where it came from and what was there before it....

game set match.

You should try to remember, ideas are conveyed by researching information, vetting sources, and confirming said information. Not by regurgitating talking points given to you by your "news" station.​Don't hate me 'cause I'm beautiful, but hate me all the more.

Re: What is your religion?

Please link scientifically as to where it came from and what was there before it...

I don't know.

Stating god does not exist is as big a leap of faith anything .5 seconds before the big bang, and on.....

You should try to remember, ideas are conveyed by researching information, vetting sources, and confirming said information. Not by regurgitating talking points given to you by your "news" station.​Don't hate me 'cause I'm beautiful, but hate me all the more.

Re: What is your religion?

Originally Posted by jamesrage

So Buddist do not follow or adhere to a set of beliefs or customs or have something one follows devoutly?

Buddhists do not employ the concept of devout in the same way as many "religions". Unlike Hindus, Buddhists are quite flexible when it comes to things like one's individual good pathway to nirvana. There are the noble truths and the three trainings, but Buddhism in practice does not offer punishments for not adhering to them. Buddhism also lacks a deity so there is no devine oversight nor an entity to petition with prayer.

Buddhists have a committment to thier own nirvana as opposed to worshipping a deity. I follow Star Wars and Star Trek devoutly.

Re: What is your religion?

I don't know. Physicists have some theories but nothing very certain. How is that faith?

This is a false assertion that I commonly encounter. Luckily I have saved a response for the occasion:

"I suggest that with your use of word 'faith' you believe you level the playing field and remove one of the atheist's more powerful arguments, namely that using reason when evaluating truth claims is superior to using faith.This claim commits an equivocation fallacy with the term "faith." The only sort of "faith" which might be common among atheists is that of mere confidence based upon and limited by repeatable, objective experiences. This is the sort of faith which can apply to the "faith" that your brakes will work, or the "faith" that the sun will come up tomorrow. This "faith" is only as strong as the evidence or reason allows and it is defeatable given new evidence or arguments.The faith you claim - religious faith in the existence of a god - is a very different matter - something Paul clearly recognized when he defined faith as the "...assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen." (Hebr. 11:1) This is not the sort of faith used by those who think that the brakes on their car will work: this is the sort of faith used by those who believe without sound empirical evidence.The fact that atheists might have the former kind of faith and the fact that theists have the latter kind of faith does not mean that atheists and theists are operating or thinking the same way. It does not mean that we are forming and evaluating beliefs in a similar manner."

Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

Please link scientifically as to where it came from and what was there before it....

As I understand it, we can't easily know what happened before the big bang because our rules of physics break down at such extremes. but I fail how to see this is relevant. This fallacy you commit is that same one the Greeks did by claiming that lightening was Zeus because the didn't have any other explanation for it. Its an argument from ignorance; it does not satisfy the burden of proof; therefore it is rejected.

Re: What is your religion?

nope, athiests have as much faith as the religious, agnostics tend to just not know....

How do you figure that atheists have any faith at all, let alone "as much as the religious?"

It doesn't take faith to not believe in a bronze age myth, reason and logic can tackle the trivial challenge.

I mean, do you have "just as much faith" in your lack of belief in every other god as you do in the god you do believe in?

How about a person who has never even heard of gods, so naturally does not believe in them. How can his lack of belief be a matter of faith?

Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

where did the universe come from athiest?

Please link scientifically as to where it came from and what was there before it....

There are several theories, from brane theory to white hole theory, but to ask "where" it came from and to speak of "before" it is to fail to understand the big bang entirely.

All time started @ the big bang, so there is no "before" and all of space expanded from it so there are no other "places" for it to come from.

If it came from "anywhere" it would be a timeless "hyperspace," a higher dimension that we 3 dimensional beings would have no reference point to "look to."

If you demand a reference point for something "outside" this universe, its a bit like asking "Where is yesterday?"

If you're actually interested in the answers to those questions, read Hawkings' Briefer History of Time, or if you're not a reader google/youtube "Michio Kaku" or some other cosmologist.

We don't know for sure yet, but all signs point to their being a very large number of universes, ours being special because its one of the few capable of producing life... kinda like our planet compared to the trillion other ones in this universe.

Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und

game set match.

What did you win, and how is it that you win by default if science doesn't currently have an answer to that question.

A bit unfair and one sided don't you think? Scientists have the integrity to admit when they don't know something, and creationist go "Ha! See! So my god is responsible for it." Its never the other way around...

Last edited by Spartacus FPV; 08-21-09 at 05:42 PM.

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