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Friday, January 27, 2017

Jerusalem?

President Donald Trump said Thursday that it was “too early” to discuss moving the US Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, a potentially politically fraught plan that has been welcomed by Israel’s government and sparked threats from the Palestinians and parts of the Arab world.

This may be the first time in American history wherein to not oppose the President of the United States makes one something akin to a cultural rebel.

It's very odd, actually.

To march in the streets against Trump is to align oneself with the New York Times, the Washington Post, most of the mainstream television news programs, the Democratic Party, the European Union, and the Clintonesque / anti-Bernie global economic elite.

It is, on a certain level, to stand with Angela Merkel over the German people or to stand with political Islam over the rights of women, Gay people, Yazidis and Jews.

It is about as socially conformist as conformist gets.

Yet by simply giving the guy a chance to do right by the country we are made to feel like rebels among ideologically conformist sheeple trained to hate.

I have to say, however, that for me the question of the US embassy in Jerusalem is a litmus test.

If Trump comes through and moves the embassy in a timely manner - say within the next few months - then we will know that he honestly is a friend of Israel and, thus, a friend to the Jewish people.

If he strings us along, however, it means we've been had.

He's already despised by the great majority of American Jews because the intense campaign of hatred against the guy has done its job well.

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Although he should do it to send a message to Palestinians no more business as usual, there are alternative ways to skin the cat.

Money would appear as if not more important, as is settlement growth.

Most US Govt offices are apparently in Jerusalem now.

Trump will foreseeably be far more supportive than his predecessor and his party because they see Israel as Trump and by extension these progressives, even Jews among them, see Jews as Trump. Because, as has been said, progressivism is their religion.

Will be interesting to see if the new age of nationalism, if it arises, will learn from the past. Globalism, on the other hand, is a means of totalitarianism, and should be used only as a tool for nation states in their interests, not the ned itself.

I'm confused by this paragraph:"Trump will foreseeably be far more supportive than his predecessor and his party because they see Israel as Trump and by extension these progressives, even Jews among them, see Jews as Trump. Because, as has been said, progressivism is their religion."

Israel as Trump means there is an anti-bias baked into the cake, so that it will always look to find the slightest fault as indicative of an evil nature.

Progressive Jews are largely secular. They arguably practice a progressive religion that classifies Jews that promote Israeli rights, or who take a religious perspective, much in the manner mentioned above, as an embodiment evil.

Of course, there are exceptions to these general ideas, but many that don't like Trump don't like Israel and don't like non-progressive Jews, for overlapping reasons.

My bet is that Trump will not move the embassy to Jerusalem and that the hallowed "two-state solution" will live on, thereby giving the Arabs and their western-left allies continued reason to beat up on Jews.

I don't know. It might happen, it might not. You already know what I think, that it is important, and contrary to the argument I have been hearing in the media, it actually is in America's interest. Not doing so means we are succumbing to Arab/Muslim threats to violence, which has been the growing problem all along. Just look at where that policy has gotten the West. Had the US and the community of nations displayed this despicable prostrate behavior in 1947, Israel itself would not have received recognition. I'm sure all the usual suspects have been working hard on Trump to get him to back down. But we have a visit from Bibi coming up, and even after that there is still some time. So I guess I'm saying that I'm not ready to completely give up on the idea. BTW, not moving it doesn't just empower the Arabs, it also empowers left regressive antisemitic Israel haters here. Does anyone have Steve Bannon's phone #?

Most people didn't believe he'd do any of the things he promised and has done so far, Mike. I think he will do it but it will take time to get all the ducks in a row. Mostly because:-he's an in yer face kinda guy-he's a promise keeper-his son-in law and others close to him are Israel lovers-people are telling him he can't or shouldn't do it and he doesn't seem to like to be told that-etc

I don't think we should panic because he hasn't moved the embassy yet.

In my opinion, he has gone too far to back down now. (Some would say, is there such a thing as Trump backing down?) It is a matter of when, not if. Having said that, if he DOES back down, we should unload both barrels, as he would then have forfeited our goodwill. But I think it's too soon to conclude that.

The Palestinians asked Russia to tell Trump not to move. As Putin's puppet, Trump did as he was told. The real problem is that Russia needs the price of oil to go over $110 and Mid East oil to stay off the market. The only way that happens is with a large Mid East war. And I am sure Trump will oblige him. But what are a few million deaths compared to getting some lunatics to shut up at SFSU?

It is an honest criticism and time will prove me right. In the meantime, just how anti-Muslim does one have to be before he can be called a racist? https://lawfareblog.com/malevolence-tempered-incompetence-trumps-horrifying-executive-order-refugees-and-visas

For example, do you have the slightest evidence that Trump is Putin's "puppet" in regards US foreign policy toward Israel?

Take your time, we'll wait.

And do you honestly believe that seeking to prevent jihadis from coming into the country is "racist"?

Do you think that all Muslims are jihadis?

If you think that all Muslims are jihadis - which one would have to conclude from your belief that keeping out jihadis is the equivalent to keeping out Muslims - this would make you the racist, would it not?

We're opposed to an ideology that keeps Jews, women, and gay people in either second or third class non-citizenship or dead. You want to argue that this is a prejudice against Muslims in general.

Joseph. If Trump is against a blanket denial of entry to ALL Muslims then why are only 7 of 50 Muslim countries' citizens affected? If you look at the 7 countries chosen you will see that they are all countries with iffy or non-existent vetting of their own.

He is throwing red meat to his racist supporters. The terrorists who caused 9/11 came from Saudi Arabia, but he has business interests thee. The people who were coming have been thoroughly vetted, for a period well over a year.

Barack Obama on the so-called "Arab Spring" (May 19, 2011):

"There are times in the course of history when the actions of ordinary citizens spark movements for change because they speak to a longing for freedom that has been building up for years. In America, think of the defiance of those patriots in Boston who refused to pay taxes to a King, or the dignity of Rosa Parks as she sat courageously in her seat."

The "Arab Spring" was the brutal rise of political Islam in the Middle East and this is what Obama compares the Civil Rights Movement to?

The Fundamental Argument:

The progressive movement, and the activist base of the Democratic Party, creates and supports venues that demonize and defame the Jewish state, thereby also creating hatred toward the Jewish people.

Such venues include political journals, such as, but not limited to, Daily Kos, the Huffington Post, and the UK Guardian, numerous universities throughout the United States and Europe, various NGOs with an anti-Israel agenda, and the entire progressive-left movement to boycott, divest from, and sanction (BDS) the Jewish people of the state of Israel.

These venues and organizations do not generally criticize Israel, but dehumanize that country.

For this reason, among others, the progressive movement, and the activist base of the Democratic Party, undermines the well-being and safety of Jews around the world, sometimes resulting in violence toward us.

Therefore, as a matter of common sense and basic human decency, Jews should leave the progressive movement and the Democratic Party as we seek to build alternative political structures that are not home to toxic anti-Semitic anti-Zionists, who would see us robbed of self-determination and self-defense.

What You Can't Discuss:

This is a partial list of taboo topics within progressive-left venues around the Arab-Israel conflict. You cannot discuss this material because it undermines the "Palestinian narrative" of perpetual victimhood. This narrative is a club used by the Arab and Muslim enemies of Israel, along with their western progressive allies, to delegitimize that country in preparation for its eventual dissolution.

1) The centuries of Jewish dhimmitude under the boot of Islamic imperialism.

2) The recent construction of Palestinian identity, its connection to Soviet Cold War politics, and how this is an Arab people with a Roman name that refers to Greeks.

3) Arab and Palestinian Koranically-based racism as the fundamental source of the conflict.

4) The ways in which contemporary progressive anti-Zionism serves as a cloak for gross anti-Semitism.

5) The Palestinian theft and appropriation of Jewish history.

6) "Pallywood."

7) The historical connections between the Nazis, the Muslim Brotherhood, and the Palestinian national movement.

8) The perpetual refusal of the Palestinian-Arabs to accept a state for themselves in peace next to the Jewish one.

9) The progressive portrayal of terrorists as those fighting a righteous war of "resistance."

10) The Arab-Palestinian indoctrination of children with Jew hatred.

11) Human rights violations against women, children, and Gay people in the Muslim Middle East.

12) The fact that violent Jihadis call themselves "Jihadis" and claim to love death above life.

This is only a partial list, so please let us know the many more that we are missing.

Quote of the Whenever:

It is not that most progressives are anti-Semitic. They aren't. It's that they don't get it, they don't care, and they very much want you to shut the fuck up. - Michael Lumish