Now if it only turned on my meta instead of being always on because it seems to "activate" all gems in each item which begins my confusion with item choices with the aforementioned option being select.

Solieu/Neganur, is there a way for you to add an option in the Optimizer for the "Calculate to Optimize" drop down to combine only the Survival & Mitigation ratings? I currently don't have any issues with threat and would like to optimize my gear based around survival and mitigation but not include threat. I get greatly differing results when I use each one individually and would be nice to have one that combines the 2 that help keep me alive.

Ok. So I've gone through this thread. I've been lurking on this site for ages.

I tank Ulda 25. I am looking for the best way to set up for trash and bosses.

I have enjoyed Rawr for some time as Ret, but it's much more complicated when it comes to tanking, of course.

My confusion is this: I'm not amazing with the numbers being talked about here. Posting the equations is nice, but they don't compute for me.

I'd like someone to just lay out which Ranking System is best for each boss, and what value to set the Boss Attack Value at for each boss.

I'm not asking for every single trash mob attack value, but other than setting the value to 30k for trash like someone had mentioned previously, which ranking system are you using for that? Tankpoints?

I had thought Tankpoints was my favorite Ranking System, but I hadn't messed with the Boss Attack Value slider. Occasionally I've reduced the threat scale to 0, of course, but I've always been confused as to why armor was ranked so high.

I understand now (at least better than I did) that armor is really damn good. I knew it was pretty good, but sometimes the rankings that Rawr would spit out just didn't seem to make sense. Now that I've found the Boss Attack Value slider, perhaps this will change.

Anyway, I searched the topic for "ranking" and read through basically the whole thread. It was very helpful, but I didn't get quite enough info about each Ranking System, or at least not as much as I was hoping for.

Irascibly wrote:Ok. So I've gone through this thread. I've been lurking on this site for ages.

I tank Ulda 25. I am looking for the best way to set up for trash and bosses.

I have enjoyed Rawr for some time as Ret, but it's much more complicated when it comes to tanking, of course.

My confusion is this: I'm not amazing with the numbers being talked about here. Posting the equations is nice, but they don't compute for me.

I'd like someone to just lay out which Ranking System is best for each boss, and what value to set the Boss Attack Value at for each boss.

I'm not asking for every single trash mob attack value, but other than setting the value to 30k for trash like someone had mentioned previously, which ranking system are you using for that? Tankpoints?

I had thought Tankpoints was my favorite Ranking System, but I hadn't messed with the Boss Attack Value slider. Occasionally I've reduced the threat scale to 0, of course, but I've always been confused as to why armor was ranked so high.

I understand now (at least better than I did) that armor is really damn good. I knew it was pretty good, but sometimes the rankings that Rawr would spit out just didn't seem to make sense. Now that I've found the Boss Attack Value slider, perhaps this will change.

Anyway, I searched the topic for "ranking" and read through basically the whole thread. It was very helpful, but I didn't get quite enough info about each Ranking System, or at least not as much as I was hoping for.

So maybe someone will be kind enough to help the nub out.

For non hard mode bosses, just set it to 80000 raw damage for bosses. Some will hit for less than that, but then, do you really need to build a gear set around that? I don't even bother building an optimal set for trash - they hit hard enough to make stacking block value/rating like in Naxx a bad idea. I just make sure I'm 6% hit capped and use my main tank set.

As for the ranking, I didn't fully understand the difference between the different ones either. So what I did was run the optimizer at full thoroughness and the same settings (540 defense, 100% avoid+block, max Overall, threat scale set to .1 when aval) for each ranking and compared the vital stats (health, armor, avoid, block, DTPS, Damage per Blocked Hit). Each ranking favored things a little differently, but I found that overall Damage Taken Mode gave the best overall vital stats. Mitigation Scale and TankPoints are virtually identical, and ProtWarr Mode is the worst by all metrics.

However, I've stepped away from using Overall to optimize lately. I found better success by first establishing what a good buffed health for me is (44000 for non hard mode stuff my guild is struggling through right now), 540 def, 100% avoid+block, then max Avoid.

Yea, I guess you pretty much just play with it to point you in the right direction.

I mostly want it for tie-breakers, but that varies depending on the fight.

Take Thorim for example. Good to have close to hitcap, of course, but what's the best way to mitigate an Unabalancing? Stack more armor or stack more health? Sure it depends on the amount, but I'd be interested if my AC set would be slightly better than gaining 1k HP. Guessing the armor, since my health should be high enough + mitigation high enough (glyph of salv/bubble wall) to take the hit.

For Fusion Punch on IC hard mode, though, stacking an assload of health most likely better than armor since it's magic. He hits hard, though.

We also noticed Unbalancing sometimes misses. Is this limited to ~5% chance to miss or because of increased avoidance through gear/talents?

I just started using Rawr and the results seem very questionable. I suspect I'm doing something wrong. I wanted to look at gear from a pure survivability/mitigation standpoint since I have no problems with threat. Under Options->Ranking, I set Threat to 0 and loaded my character from armory.

Rawr seems to think that DMC:Greatness is better than Heart of Iron when looking at combined mitigation/survivability. I know that this can't possibly be true. Does anyone else get this same result?

Yes. He submitted a patch for those, but I don't see that they were actually applied. ShoR hasn't been fixed yet. I submitted code based off of Theck's Matlab to both him and discussion boards that I think fixes it. Just have to wait and see.

EDIT: Just realized that he had already replied regarding the ShoR fix. Should be in soonish

i loaded it up today after grabbing the latest version, i had gotten some new gear and wanted to play around with some things and check out my dodge/parry ratio..but, the %'s listed in the main window do not change as i tick on or off buffs from the buffs tab..

Using the 2.3.6 version of Rawr, Rawr.ProtPaladin seems to be miscalculating the damage of Hammer of the Righteous. It appears to not be taking the DPS gained from Attack Power into account when calculating the damage shown under AbilityDamage.