Not advocating legal proceedings at this point (others brought that up, not me). My bigger issue is with people with suspicious motives defending someone who has absconded with people's money, or those telling the victims of this scenario that they need to "get over" having been screwed.

Whoa... "people with suspicious motives"? There is nothing suspicious about them. I have been entirely honest about it. I think it's a shame you guys can't move on, and worse that you even now can't refrain from calling Nick a villain.

As I said: It's been years. It's not money you needed for food. It's not even massive amounts of money. Time to let go of the anger.

I think the biggest question I keep asking myself is why doesn't Nick take up one of the offers to turn over the project?

It seems obvious that, for whatever reason, he is unwilling or unable to complete it himself. More than one reputable company has obviously contacted him with offers to take the thing off his hands, finish it and make everyone happy.

It seems like a win-win for everyone, yet he apparently is unwilling or unable to take any of theses companies up on the offers. From the sounds of it, he doesn't even reply to the offers. That just seems ... odd.

To me, this is the single strangest aspect of the whole, sorted, messy situation.

Does anyone have any insight on why Nick will not or can not sign over the thing to someone else and wash his hands of the whole situation? Seems like he would welcome the chance to get out from under what has been a huge weight for him.

Full disclosure - I did not pre order and have no money involved that needs refunded. I'm really just interested as an RPG fan who was a big fan of Logue's work and can't figure out what the heck is going on!

Actually, at this point, the only pressure that anyone can put on Nick is to hold his character up for scrutiny. If threads like this can keep Nick from working in the RPG community again, should he ever choose to, until he fixes the situation then that is appropriate to me. He put himself in this situation, nobody forced it on him. His bad choices have tarnished his reputation.

Now if he ever gets things fixed up, by putting out the product and fulfilling the orders or paying back the customers' preorders, and people are still gripping at that point, I will agree it is time to grow up. But this situation is still unresolved, and pressure should be kept up until it is.

Honestly, the only solution I could imagine at this point is another company purchasing the IP and products and put them out. Nick being payed enough to repay all the preorders with perhaps no profit for himself ultimately. And that other company producing them where everyone has to get in line over again to purchase them.

I think the biggest question I keep asking myself is why doesn't Nick take up one of the offers to turn over the project?

It seems obvious that, for whatever reason, he is unwilling or unable to complete it himself. More than one reputable company has obviously contacted him with offers to take the thing off his hands, finish it and make everyone happy.

It seems like a win-win for everyone, yet he apparently is unwilling or unable to take any of theses companies up on the offers. From the sounds of it, he doesn't even reply to the offers. That just seems ... odd.

To me, this is the single strangest aspect of the whole, sorted, messy situation.

Does anyone have any insight on why Nick will not or can not sign over the thing to someone else and wash his hands of the whole situation? Seems like he would welcome the chance to get out from under what has been a huge weight for him.

Full disclosure - I did not pre order and have no money involved that needs refunded. I'm really just interested as an RPG fan who was a big fan of Logue's work and can't figure out what the heck is going on!

Not that I am aware of, perhaps people that know him as friends outside of the industry like Pett might, but if anyone does they are not talking as far as I know.

I'm with Marc - why doesn't Nick sell out and let the product be produced by someone else? Maybe he can't for some reason, or maybe it's not as simple as it seems from a layman's point of view.

I just wish Nick would come on these boards and "man up" for what he has done or failed to do. Take responsibility for taking our money and not producing a product as promised. Take the heat, the verbal accusations, the venomous retorts...and then apologize for cheating all of us who pre-paid for RC. Hell, that would go a long way in my eyes for some redemption.

Not that I am aware of, perhaps people that know him as friends outside of the industry like Pett might, but if anyone does they are not talking as far as I know.

Nor would you expect them to. Hypothetically, if something like an illness or personal issues was keeping from finishing this, that is none of their business and I wouldn't expect them to come around peddling gossip about one of their friends.

It was resolved quite a while ago. None of us just know what happened. At this point, it is pretty clear that things are not going to change.

So yeah, it's resolved by now. Calling him names to KEEP HIM AWAY FROM THE RPG INDUSTRY is not likely to improve anything, is it now?

Really, what was the resolution? Did he put out a statement that he was telling everyone else that hasn't got their refund that they were out of luck? I missed that. In fact people who show up on this thread asking, "Has anyone heard anything lately?" Also seemed to have missed this announcement. Can you provide a link to somewhere the announcement is posted?

Dumping on the guy does no good. I've been collecting from small presses for years and once in awhile something like this happens. I've lost a couple hundred dollars in that span. In a couple of cases, the authors took things into their own hands and sent me copies of their book. (And in one case, the author will send me a copy of his novel as soon as he can get the rights back. He had to take the publisher to court.)

You can sue, but the legal costs just aren't worth it.

In several other cases, the only recourse left was to warn others. This looks like one of those cases. If you can get your money back, good for you. If Nick comes on here and explains himself, that would be a bit better. But I wouldn't bet on it.

Just take the lose. Moan and groan about it all you like, but after awhile it does get old.

It was resolved quite a while ago. None of us just know what happened. At this point, it is pretty clear that things are not going to change.

So yeah, it's resolved by now. Calling him names to KEEP HIM AWAY FROM THE RPG INDUSTRY is not likely to improve anything, is it now?

Ya mean this "resolution" from Nick?

nick wrote:

sorry the site is out of action! I am having some trouble getting it up and running and I'm also updating it for the endgame of Sinister as a sinking ship with just two products (and one wave of Indulgences left to come).

Those concerned about refunds - just email me at loguen@essex.ac.uk and I'll process those for you as quickly as possible - I'm slowly slogging my way through them all, but its a load of looking up order histories so its taking longer than I would have liked. Sorry for the delays on the repays! Shoot me an email and I will sort you all out! No refund left behind!

or did you mean this one:

nick wrote:

Terribly sorry! Not sure why I haven't received these requests for reimbursements. Please try the following email and I'll process any refunds IMMEDIATELY (or at least within 24 hours).

With Nick slated to appear at PaizoCon this year, will there be any closure on this, or at least some answers?

You're kidding, right? He's got money for airfare, hotel, and expenses...but he can't pay people he owes for the work on this project, much less refund the pre-orders, or release the damn thing! He ought to be ashamed to show his face until he makes amends.

With Nick slated to appear at PaizoCon this year, will there be any closure on this, or at least some answers?

You're kidding, right? He's got money for airfare, hotel, and expenses...but he can't pay people he owes for the work on this project, much less refund the pre-orders, or release the damn thing! He ought to be ashamed to show his face until he makes amends.