They probably used a van with a side door and hustled it out and under the canopy during all of the confusion.

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Snarky/sarcastic AC13456274 otherwise known as John Lear (thanks hoss58;-)

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Your van with a side door idea is suspect, in support of the planted engine theory. Perhaps this will be more apparent, after watching the video, below.

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In the following video, at the :08 mark, notice the photographer in blue jeans and backwards baseball cap, standing behind the yellow tape and taking pictures of the engine. There's a very noticeable crack in the sidewalk, directly in front of where he's standing. More noticeable cracks, starting at :42, which might suggest the engine came in from the direction of where the photographer at :08 was standing:

When a free falling metalic object of substantial weight falls to pavement, it bounces numerous times and will smash the concrete. Looking on the video scene it looks to be staged. As if it was layed out like the wreckage at the pentagon.

They tossed a crumpled street sign down and a shoe to make it look realistic. That scene is staged by how they are taking photos and guarding the scene.

It is actually quite interesting that he BBC would even give John the time of day.

It does remind me of them announcing the destruction of WTC 7 half an hour before it actually was demolished.

I haven't seen it though, is it on youtube? I guess it is just a hit piece that the BBC is well known for and I probably shouldn't waste my precious time with.

But for them even mentioning the name John Lear will get at least some that otherwise wouldn't to research him, find out just what he has done and been involved with and then like alot of us here think 'You don't survive a whole career in aviation if you are an idiot'. You need to be thinking ahead all the time, never forgetting all those vital actions needed to safely fly such aircraft and be an engineer as well.

You will note as I have that nobody has come foward (to my knowledge) to attack John on the science of what he says, where they can demonstratably show where he is wrong.

Plenty of the 'shooting of the messanger' type behavious to be found and mname calling etc... but no actaul substance.

I engage Ed fouche and co over at alien scientist forum over the Bob Lazar thing but I don't get anything real.I must go back and check there to see if they have found anytjing convincing yet to back up the claim of Bob being a lier and fraud etc...

Ed Fouch does bet all his wealth and one of his testicles on this after all! I can't remember off hand if it was the left or right testicle but it was just the one. I do know that much!He reckons he is right just because Bob doesn't take up his offer of a public skype debate sort of show.

I have explained that I'm sure Bob has far better things to do with his time, he is actually doing things and not just talking about them on internet forums like I am now!

The guy (bob) built his own nuclear accelerator in his back yard to make the Deuteride whatever for his hydrogen storage as hydride but he's a fraud and not a real scientist because MIT and Caltech can't/won't supply the bits of paper that say he is!If that is not insane I don't know what is!The modern word I believe is for his attackers is 'derp'

The BBC should have learnt by now. But being publicly funded they have no worries about going under due to being the laughing stock of the media!They really should just stick to worrying about Kate Middleton showing her tits in public. It's more in line with their mentality.

You will note as I have that nobody has come foward (to my knowledge) to attack John on the science of what he says, where they can demonstratably show where he is wrong.

Plenty of the 'shooting of the messanger' type behavious to be found and mname calling etc... but no actaul substance.

I engage Ed fouche and co over at alien scientist forum over the Bob Lazar thing but I don't get anything real.I must go back and check there to see if they have found anytjing convincing yet to back up the claim of Bob being a lier and fraud etc...

Ed Fouch does bet all his wealth and one of his testicles on this after all! I can't remember off hand if it was the left or right testicle but it was just the one. I do know that much!He reckons he is right just because Bob doesn't take up his offer of a public skype debate sort of show.

I have explained that I'm sure Bob has far better things to do with his time, he is actually doing things and not just talking about them on internet forums like I am now!

The guy (bob) built his own nuclear accelerator in his back yard to make the Deuteride whatever for his hydrogen storage as hydride but he's a fraud and not a real scientist because MIT and Caltech can't/won't supply the bits of paper that say he is!If that is not insane I don't know what is!The modern word I believe is for his attackers is 'derp'

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Quoting: HaveBlue

The one thing that made me laugh and like John Lear was when he told how at the time of his fathers passing, the family fortune never seen John, but, his dad did leave a dollar for him.

thats more than my dad did at his passing, for me.

As for the AS forum and ED Fouches, Ed seems to lock his talons into anyone who falls for his hand of friendship. Bob Lazar is an enigma and for Ed to talk trash of bob clearly shows disinfo cointelpro at its worse.

The AS forum was hacked because it was a hack unpaid version. It stayed hacked for months till they finally pooled enough coins together to buy a license.

Another thing, Ed was in on the deal at Open Minds when John was handed his hat. Later on, Ed and friends consorted to take down Open Minds which they did.

So, how can you be trusted with that level of operating in the realm of information. I think Ed's EGO got the best of him.

You will note as I have that nobody has come foward (to my knowledge) to attack John on the science of what he says, where they can demonstratably show where he is wrong.

Plenty of the 'shooting of the messanger' type behavious to be found and mname calling etc... but no actaul substance.

I engage Ed fouche and co over at alien scientist forum over the Bob Lazar thing but I don't get anything real.I must go back and check there to see if they have found anytjing convincing yet to back up the claim of Bob being a lier and fraud etc...

Ed Fouch does bet all his wealth and one of his testicles on this after all! I can't remember off hand if it was the left or right testicle but it was just the one. I do know that much!He reckons he is right just because Bob doesn't take up his offer of a public skype debate sort of show.

I have explained that I'm sure Bob has far better things to do with his time, he is actually doing things and not just talking about them on internet forums like I am now!

The guy (bob) built his own nuclear accelerator in his back yard to make the Deuteride whatever for his hydrogen storage as hydride but he's a fraud and not a real scientist because MIT and Caltech can't/won't supply the bits of paper that say he is!If that is not insane I don't know what is!The modern word I believe is for his attackers is 'derp'

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Quoting: HaveBlue

The one thing that made me laugh and like John Lear was when he told how at the time of his fathers passing, the family fortune never seen John, but, his dad did leave a dollar for him.

thats more than my dad did at his passing, for me.

As for the AS forum and ED Fouches, Ed seems to lock his talons into anyone who falls for his hand of friendship. Bob Lazar is an enigma and for Ed to talk trash of bob clearly shows disinfo cointelpro at its worse.

The AS forum was hacked because it was a hack unpaid version. It stayed hacked for months till they finally pooled enough coins together to buy a license.

Another thing, Ed was in on the deal at Open Minds when John was handed his hat. Later on, Ed and friends consorted to take down Open Minds which they did.

So, how can you be trusted with that level of operating in the realm of information. I think Ed's EGO got the best of him.

Lazar and Lear are still in the race.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18237036

As I remember it ,John was not handed his hat per se, OM deleted Johns post during a disagreement between John and Ed,and John wanted to know why. He started a thread which was titled " I am outaa here " and that was John's last post at OM.

Hope you are doing fine. I am still waiting for your answer regarding RH Negative blood type and if you mentioned something about it previously, I would like to apologize because I didn’t have time to read all the pages, yet. In the mind time I have something else to ask you, if you don’t mind.

After my mother passed away I had lights going on and off or TV channels up and down on its own. On two occasions bulbs exploded sending blue lights around with ozone like smell similar to the one after thunderstorms. Since energy/soul survives the death, do you believe in ghost activities and could it be my mother’s spirit? She promised to visit me from the other side....

I would also like to mention two of my incidents from many unexplained things. Being alone, I was standing in the kitchen and heard man’s voice inside my head (right side of the ear) saying my name. Another time I woke up feeling someone standing behind my bed and my soul was trying to get out of the body. I had few out of body experiences previously with my soul flying under the ceiling all over the place but this specific time was different. This time I was petrified and I fought my paralyzed body with all the strength to keep my soul inside and I heard a voice in my head: “Let it go”, so I fought harder and finally started to move my toes and slowly “woke up” because actually I was not really sleeping as I had full consciousness.

I have a video of UFO made from the balcony of my high rise condominium and it is shocking. It shows that UFO was observing me and they knew that I was filming them. Interesting that I couldn’t see them with my naked eyes but something told me (my sub-consciousness, perhaps) to take my camera and point it at the sky and here it was!!

After reading Bob Hopkins books I was speechless because I have all those classic abductee factors including childhood scoop mark which my parents couldn’t explain. However, I don’t recall seeing any Aliens or being abducted, thought I had few vivid dreams about it. Do you think I could be an abductee or there are other explanations to this.

Keep up the good work!

Best regards, Kinga.

PS. My first strange experience happened when I was approximately 6-7 years old. I was playing outside my grandmother's home with my 2 cousins. They run inside the home through veranda's door and I took the longer way and run for the kitchen door. Before I approached them, suddenly about 2-3 meters from me there was someone standing fully covered (face and eyes including) in a white sheet. Because it was late in the evening, I though that maybe my grandma tried to scare us, so we come back home. I remember this like it was today. I said: "Grandma, is that you?" but this figure didn't answer me. Later I remember getting inside the house and my grandma was in the kitchen. There is no way she could get there before me. In the past I was thinking that those things in my life may have spiritual connections, but I am not sure anymore and wonder if I may be an abductee.

Quoting: Kinga 23570095

Hello Kinga,

Yes, you are an abductee. Everyone is. Or rather every human is. The Earths population is composed of about75% humans, 20% ET’s and 5% Hybrids,

I do know something about the RH neg blood issue but I forgetwhat it was. If I remember I will let you know.

You only remember as much as ET allows you to remember about your abductions. ET usually leaves a frightening memory, completely untrue, to keep people from getting regressions and attempting to find out what really happened.

Your OOB experiences are real.

Your slivers of memory could be screen memories or actual.

Don’t know what the deal is on the white sheet but anything can and will happen in this crazy illusion called Earth and the Solar System.

Some of the things you are sure are real are not. Some of the things you don’t think are real are. Just hang in there and enjoy what you can, trying to live with Integrity; and without envy, hate or greed and to express your love to your family each and every and all day long. When you get to the other side you will know that it was all worth it.

And that I was right!

Live your life with integrity; and without envy hate or greed. Express your love to your family every day.

Thats all you have to do in this life other than doing things you like to do.

This is what I started to suspect for the past few years but having the answer from a Pro confirming my suspicions is something else.

This particular out of body experience was so petrifying I would describe it like first scuba diving in an open ocean. Makes me wonder if I didn’t let Aliens to abduct me at that time or perhaps they did and I woke up with my memories being blocked... I was thinking about regression hypnosis but couldn’t make myself to do it.

I have read about you and I believe you are the real deal. You are highly regarded in aviation circles, having flown a variety of over 150 test aircraft, and having won every award granted by the Federal Aviation Administration. Very impressive! Let me know if you will be visiting Toronto in the future. I have some original Cuban Montecristos and Romeos.

I am trying to live my live the way you are suggesting even though in this World is not always easy. Is there anything I could do to stop those abductions?

Thank you very much for taking your time and answering me. It’s appreciated a lot.

Hy John. Iv'e been following you for what seeems like 10 years plus now and I just have to say thank you so much for your efforts and controversial Ideas. I have been wanting to ask you this question for years now and I apologize in advance if the question has allready been posted... Ok so as far as these al-Queda terrorists who allegedly flew the planes into the twin towers ... What if they were navigating via a portable handheld GPS "Garmen , Magellan " units and all they did to align themselves up with the buildings was get the waypoint info for location of the buildings on ground then when in air just follow the coordinates instead of manually trying to aling the planes up visaully through the cockpit ? I am a huge believer of your no plane theory and I do understand how difficult it would be to be a complete " Noob" pilot and hit those towers dead on first try mid air but when I ponder about this possible scenerio it makes rethink the whole 9/11 conspiracy . Thanks John and take care ! ReptilianOverlord out

Love this thread and have followed it from the very beginning posting now and again. Was even on the GLP voice chat with you around a year and a half ago.

Something I cannot reconcile, though, with everything you are saying, is the notion of memory as it relates to death and "after death". Without it, we are not "us". I've witnessed people in altered states, with amnesia, and so on. If we have no memory of an event, then it may as well have never happened.

I bring this up in reference to your point about "realizing" the truth of what you and sleeper and others are saying, but here's the issue (and the same goes for any life-after-death / eternal life notion):

If, after we die, we reincarnate, and aren't allowed to remember past lives, then "we" aren't coming back being reincarnated. There is, at that point, literally nothing that is "us" that is returning. No memories means that the "energy" that we are is now just that: energy. Like an electrical current. But it is not self-aware. It cannot be, since there is no point of "I" reference. We exist as riders in this "current", not as the current itself. I know we are partly made of this current, but we are sparks of sentience within it. And if that spark isn't there, then there is no more "me" in that current, and therefore no memories, no past, no afterlife, and no experiencing anything after this world. Therefore, nothing after we die, no matter who claims it to be true. Hopefully I'm making sense here...

I have often thought about this with the many friends and family I've seen pass on. Sometimes I'll get a dream and we hang out or do something in the dream, but I cannot understand that if "they" are there in the other side, then "they" can't have reincarnated. They can't be in two places at once to experience a sense of "I", or "being-ness". Anymore than I can experience being on "the other side" as my past life incarnation right at this moment while being alive here, now... The only "me" is right here, right now. The only way any afterlife can exist is if we are allowed to remember it. Because if we can't, then it doesn't exist. Like a dream we can never remember. Wiped clean before every incarnation. If we don't remember the experience then we'll never know if you, or Jesus, or Santa, or anyone, was right. We won't even remember judging ourselves, if that is even what happens!

It just doesn't add up. I want to believe, and I want to think that we continue on (and I mean "we" as in the identity of a "self", or "I", not just a mindless current that keeps reincarnating).

But the only way "we" can really continue on, whether I'm an energy or a body, is by having a sense of "self" or "I" in relationship to something (anything) else.

If we aren't "something", then there is no "I", no memories, no "soul" other than the "current" (like an electrical current, a "soul current", if you will). If that is the case, then there is no everlasting life, since life is defined by a sense of individuality, a sense of "self", a sense of "I". If not, then when we die, we are gone, done. No memories, no "self", because when (if) we return to Earth, that is all forgotten, and if it is all forgotten, then it is as though it never was.

I hate to sound like a cynic, and I really do want to believe, but I need to apply some critical thinking to this, and when I do, I just cannot get past this point in the reasoning of it. It is like the movie Groundhog Day but without him remembering anything and going through everything again for the first time. Every time. Makes me alternately a little scared about death and then a bit apathetic, since nobody can really say, and the logic doesn't seem to hold up. If when I die, I'm really gone forever, with no future memory of this life, that is awful. Since the "me" will either be on the other side about to have his mind wiped before reincarnating, or I will stay on the other side, with my memories intact, just waiting to get his mind wiped in case I end up reincarnating for some reason (against my will?). Quite frankly, that is all a bit freaky and daunting and not at all very comforting, heh. Am I missing something? (I actually hope I am!)

This 3d place is the ILLUSION, your soul is here because your higher self , the real you , chose to be here. You may not reincarnate here next time . There are millions of possible places to reincarnate for lessons .

You must learn to chose right for the right reason. If you remembered all your past lives (and there are many ) you would choose right for the wrong reason, it's like taking a test when you know the answers ahead of time .

I'm somewhat new to this whole topic, but have been trying to research as much as I can. I have previously followed you on Open Minds, and find what you have to say very interesting. When you have time, can you please share your views on the whole Serpo Project. Competely false, some truth some misinformation, or did it happen? Forgive me if this has already been asked; I've been trying to catch up on this thread, but as you know, there is tons of information.

It's really great that you're taking time to answer some of our (silly) questions. You have a great day, sir.

In your answer to my previous post you stated that: “The Earths population is composed of about 75% humans, 20% ET’s and 5% Hybrids”. I wonder if Hybrids have souls and if they know they are Hybrids? Also, is there anything abductees can do to protect themselves from abductions? Thank you once again for your time.

I've spent much of my life re-thinking the fundamentalist crap I was taught as a child. My church days were characterized by charlatans (preachers) claiming to have insight from the one and only GOD.

I rejected most of this, but one guy's story stuck with me for a long time. It was the story of how he was visited by angels on several occasions. Rather than the harsh message of judgement, the angels spoke more of care and compassion. One of their primary messages was that every person is important to "God" and that we need to trust that their lives are unfolding as they should. The story seemed legitimate. Thinking back on this, I'm now sure his visitors were ETs.

The guy, Roland Buck, traversed the country back in the 80s/90s sharing his story and then passed away. His book, "Angels on Assignment" has been posted online by his daughter at www.angelsonassignment.org. I would love to know what you think of the story. Click on "chapters" to start reading and ignore all the foolishness on the site.

John, on the bezerk thread, we're entertaining an idea about underground submarine caverns. I've heard of them before and I think you've mentioned it here once or twice about a pay slip of something referring to a sub base at A51 or similar.

The idea we are floating revolves around creation of these caverns. I've been mentioning how oil 'reserves' are created and maintained, by dissolving and clearing large salt domes, clearing the brine, whilst filling with particular hydrocarbons. The measured brine output then determines the reserve capacity. Laughed at by 'experts' here and elsewhere, now confirmed as industry practice with the admission of reserves all over the US, most notably the butane and oil reserves at Assumtion Parish around the sink hole, that use cleared salt domes.

We're linking the deep water horizon BP incident in 2010 to what is going down (litterally) at the sink hole at Assumption.

The bezerk thread made mention of subs, and I used the information you gave me regarding D.D coatings to good use in explaining sub movements. But some still didnt make sense.

A tunnel system does make sense. Travelling 'through' the US allows certain 'timings' to make sense.

So, question is, do you know of any means of creating these tunnels? Are they man made?, Naturally occuring, or a combo, i.e. a dissolved salt cavern.

Thos questioning the dissolved salt dome/vein/cavern/pillow bear in mind these things are miles across and deep, and connected.

Indeed a cross sectional view of the GoM, from deep water up and through Louisianna shows a number of connected slat veins, with only the domes popping up to the surface. Easy to fit a wee sub inside.

Also do you have any information on these tunnels being sealed or closed off to allow pressurising? Like an underwater loche system?

I must admit that I'm disappointed, John. I was really hoping for your thoughts in reply to the recent (rather long) post I made about memory and the afterlife. I would have thought you'd be all over it. I am genuinely intrigued by what you have to say and only brought it up as a discussion point.

But I do think it has merit, since without memory we are truly not able to retain a sense of ourselves.

Anyway, I would love to hear your take on it, even if you think it may sound a bit out there. But, then again, I thought you'd be used to "out there" concepts by now. ;)