I can't help you out with MD for TA, but I can tell you I've used the IW RB without any troubles at all. I'm not sure what all you read....but no troubles at all for me. hang in there, someone more experienced with the TA will happen by and help you out. best of luck with your journeys!

I think the length of time is going to be different for everyone. You will get a good feel for it once you start. You'll know when you let up. I have done MDing twice. once for a couple of weeks with a couple days off each week, and once again about a month later with smaller doses daily for about three weeks straight. I don't know how long others do it but I sort of cycle it with my other herbs, I don't like to mix any of my other herbs/supplements while MDing and I like to give myself a week or so after ibo before I start my other things.( which look a lot like yours!! )

Hiya! Welcome... I think I may have responded to you in another thread. you don't need to flood to come off kratom, micro dosing will do it. Although I am still looking forward to flooding someday. I was able to go on with my daily chores while MDing on rootbark, so I can't give you any advice with the TA/HCL. MDing is a process, although it seems like it's a lot easier to go through than a flood. MDing Ibo definitely will decrease your w/d symptoms. The problem as with any opioid type substance is the long PAWs type effects that can weaken your will at times. I have had luck using some natural substances like vitaminerals, rhodiola, and amino acids to stabilize after the ibo. I tripped up the first time because I didn't have enough RB on hand. sounds like your pretty stocked though. best of luck. lots of great info throughout the forum.

YES ! there's the good news. Your on a very low dose of kratom. Ibo can definitely break you free in micro doses. I can't speak to the panic attracts and anxiety as I didn't have that issue, although I know of a guy that had to take some kratom to curb these issues after MDing . I took small amounts of kratom (1teaspoon ) at different times to sleep. I used the RB. Ibo most definitely helps with the w/d. It increases your mood and picks up your energy level. Do your research , don't have any antidepressants in your system.. no supplements.. just let the Ibo work by itself... best of luck..read, read, read!

hey chi...sorry it didn't work out really great for you. don't throw in the towel. I would definitely say you could mitigate getting off the methadone with kratom. you should be in withdrawal before using the kratom. I think after the kratom you could even use the micro dosing to get free. It's important to get some good quality RB. How much methadone are you taking? get it down for a week or so before U jump off. not to worry....THIS IS DOABLE. just stay on coarse. I also came off a 2yr sub run onto kratom than to RB. It's a longer of a process, and it's not as profound of an experience but I could function normally throughout. which was important for me. I'd be glad to aid U in anyway I can. any SAO would work also. let us know what the plan is....

That was written so beautifully. thank-you for sharing your experience, lots of good insight and very thought provoking....I'm sad you and the others are missing a good friend/warrior. (nothing is ever lost ) thank-you!

I just want to respond and say that although you may feel absolutely at wits end. I hear your strength throughout your post. Nobody could keep it together well, hold down jobs, a family and all that entails going through what you have. on top of that being the one folks look to as being the strong one. I can definitely see where you are scared and out of energy to keep up with this battle. I'm not sure why the subs are not working for you at this time, they are definitely a bitch to come off, but can help when stabilization is needed. (as will kratom ) It seems anything used for an extended time turns on you at some point. If you could jump on them and get off them within a few weeks it would definitely help get you to a place that may be a bit more manageable. harm reduction is key...baby steps. If you can fake/make it through what you have your an amazing soul....I'm so sorry for all that you have endured. Don't give up on yourself

hey Fchi.. I did the MD with RB to aid in w/d from kratom. I think it works really well for w/d. I put about 12-15 hrs between my last dose of kratom and my RB. I did a test amount of 350mg RB first, than did another 350 about 3 hrs. later. the first and second day I did about a gram of RB and on the third day I pulled back a bit and only did a little over 1/2 a gram as I was getting some tracers, and I wanted to be fully functional. I think If I had the chance I would go with a full flood, as I found myself dipping into the kratom after about a week. I think a flood dose would have just alleviated that. keep us posted on how your doing!!

Welcome...sounds like with all the other introspection you've done Iboga would be beneficial to you at this time. I have only micro dosed although if I had the chance to I would "dive right in". glad you found us, and looking forward to hearing of your experiences.

I can't help you, as I have never done a flood dose, although I'm sure someone with more knowledge will chime in. I just wanted to wish you the best of luck with your journey....make it work! I hope you have some time for yourself cut out of your schedule, I think it's important to have the time to heal and process. Also to have someone sit for you. I have used micro doses of RB for w/d and found it worked really well.