UK to receive "living wage" by 2020 £9 per hour minimum wage.

originally posted by: neo96
Progressive taxes are idiotic. Especially when governments make a killing off other taxes, The have the power to print treasuries. They have the power
to print money out of thin air.

Did you just put forward the argument that governments shouldn't seek to tax people because they can print money? That leads to rapid inflation.

Get rid of income taxes would be one hell of an economic stimulus.

No, it wouldn't. The government still needs to take in income for all of it's various programs. If you cut income taxes all you'll do is create a
litany of other taxes on other products. You can see this process in reverse too where income taxes have increased because no one is willing to
increase the gas tax.

All campaigning against a tax really is, is a petition for a new tax. If you removed income taxes for example, you would most likely see a large
increase in sales taxes. Except not all income that's taxed is spent on sales taxable items. This means that doing so shifts the tax burden off of
everyone regardless of their saving/spending status and off of those saving on to those spending.

I agree with the idea, work should pay and working less should not...but there is a back story to those of the benefit class and also those in the
working class...

Labour brought all these benefits in at a time when they were swamping the country with immigrants as cheap labour, thus lowering wages and affecting
the lower end of the job market. To counter this and quell unrest, it was decided to implement a generous welfare package...Typical Socialist
mantra.

Now my problem is this, the market is still being swamped with cheap labour and the jobs paying are really not there, even here in London. So where
do working families make up the difference?

Forcing up the living wage will either force prices to rise or employers to run companies on skeleton staff or cheap under 25 labour...or even all
three. Companies are not paying out wage increase in line with real inflation, my wage increase has been 1% every year for last 5 years, my wife has
had 2% for the same period. We will be at a loss with this of £3000, so we will pull up our sleeves and take it, but I don't see how that's going to
be balanced out for lower income families losing money and not able to make up the hours or get a job that pays because that end of the market is
absolutely swamped.

Either way all I can see is the poor getting poorer, but I have to be subjective and say this budget is the best outcome for the country, in terms of
fiscal policy, my problem is we are over populated and that is still unsustainable and affects fiscal policy. So this needs to be addressed without
far left morons living in 99% white British affluent areas or financial comfortable London areas, shouting "racist" and "bigot".

The Government’s new national living wage is likely to result in higher prices for shoppers, Moody’s has warned.
The minimum wage for over-25s is to rise from £6.50 per hour at present to £7.20 in 2017 and £9 by 2020 under proposals announced by George Osborne
in the Budget.
This increase in basic pay is “credit negative” for retailers, restaurants, hotels and leisure companies because of the cost of increasing pay for
the hundreds of thousands of workers they employ, according to an analysis by credit rating agency Moody’s.
• Struggling retailers face huge bill from wage rises and business rates
Staff account for roughly half of a retailer’s costs and large companies will have to stump up tens of millions of pounds to meet the living wage
requirement.
A retailer employing 50,000 full-time staff at £7 per hour will have to pay an extra £21m a year to get to £7.20.
Maria Maslovsky, senior analyst at Moody’s, said the credit rating agency “expects retailers to pass on higher labour costs to customers” and
also warned that retailers could reduce employee benefits such as staff discounters because they offer “room for manoeuvre”.

The UK is especially bad, we and our forefathers built this country, we paid into it when times were good and bad.

And if you take away the illegal wars and the bailouts then we would all be employed, housed, fed and happy.

But this is the point, they are culling us, and to make it easier they need to remove our rights - and to stop us pushing back as hard they will take
our wealth, then our infrastructure - then we will be sick and subjugated enough to submit.

I don't support UK's/US/EU/NATO Wars - or any war for that matter, lets shrug off these evil parasitic "leaders" and walk shoulder to shoulder, hand
in hand as brothers and sisters of the world.

And any who don't want to cooperate (looking at you radical Islam/North Korea etc) then we just shut down travel and trade with you until you do - the
rest of us can manage on our own until you decide to join the true human venture.

originally posted by: nonspecific
Yesterdays budget, the first tory only budget in 18 years had some interesting and some would say bold moves.

A £9 per hour minimum wage for the over 25's may seem at a glance to be a positive step for many lower paid workers but what will the real
implications of this be.

Many EU countries have a minimum wage at more than £10 at present and that is for roles such as part-time assistans in bakeries. Even those countries
without a statutory minimum wage have a de-facto minimum wage at around £10. I employ people and one could think that I would prioritise otherwise,
but I'm not impressed. For me they could just as well have raised it to £10. A business that will go bust because of such a small increase is on the
verge of collapsing anyway. I'd rather have staff that are happy and are looking forward to come in to work in the morning.

A £9 GPB living wage is roughly $13.40 USD. Minimum wage in America is very low and you couldn't call it a real living wage. Washington currently has
the highest minimum wage of $9.43. Although high when contrasted with the low wages of Georgia at $5.15, you couldn't call it a living wage unless you
consider renting your house and not owning it proper living. There is a huge difference though in professional living when you look at the populations
of Britain and the USA percentage-wise with the USA towering over Britain with entry-level menial labor and other unskilled positions.

Britain is different though, being a Kingdom and not a Republic, and a lot of high level positions can be appointed or arranged with salaries or lump
sums given to fill whatever duty. Their high living wage is a testament to the manner of how they treat their lower class, giving them a leg to stand
on. Because of this immigration is a big problem for genetically English citizens, needing to compete with foreign peoples on their own soil. America
was built on immigration so you can't really compare these two countries on those terms.

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