(1) The Ulster match involved a losing bonus point, and the Ospreys would have won it but for a highly dubious and ludicrous last-minute penalty.(2) The Edinburgh match, which I attended, was 31-22.

Otherwise, good point.

Sorry I should have been clearer.

My comparison is made on BP's awarded for 4 tries scored in a match not for being within 7 points.

As I said earlier I think we(Wales) will need to score at least 3 tries per matchto beat the better 6N sides and I don't think we will do that with DB at 10.

Tue Jan 10, 2017 9:33 pm

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Re: Ospreys vs Connacht

Biggar threw the pass to secure the bonus point. His calmness was needed as it had become a little over elaborate. No doubting Davies is a natural footballer and has done exceptionally well to put a top player like biggar under real pressure

Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:59 am

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Re: Ospreys vs Connacht

AverageBBCjournalist wrote:

Biggar threw the pass to secure the bonus point. His calmness was needed as it had become a little over elaborate. No doubting Davies is a natural footballer and has done exceptionally well to put a top player like biggar under real pressure

I don't know if they would have been as patient in the derby games either with Davies at 10. The Scarlets game in particular, I thought Biggar controlled that second half beautifully.

Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:11 pm

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Re: Ospreys vs Connacht

TJP wrote:

AverageBBCjournalist wrote:

Biggar threw the pass to secure the bonus point. His calmness was needed as it had become a little over elaborate. No doubting Davies is a natural footballer and has done exceptionally well to put a top player like biggar under real pressure

I don't know if they would have been as patient in the derby games either with Davies at 10. The Scarlets game in particular, I thought Biggar controlled that second half beautifully.

Biggar was the reason that the Ospreys won that game. He was magnificent in the second half (although it did help that the Ospreys back row decided to actually do what a back row should do)

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Wed Jan 11, 2017 12:19 pm

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Re: Ospreys vs Connacht

because of the nature of the game against the dragonns, davies had more of the ball in hand, and had more of a significant involvement in the tactical kicking than biggar.

unfortunately davies with more possession showed a distinct lack of control on the game and was one of the main players you could single out for aimless kicking

Wed Jan 11, 2017 9:44 pm

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Re: Ospreys vs Connacht

mr messy wrote:

because of the nature of the game against the dragonns, davies had more of the ball in hand, and had more of a significant involvement in the tactical kicking than biggar.

unfortunately davies with more possession showed a distinct lack of control on the game and was one of the main players you could single out for aimless kicking

I'm not discussing Davies at 15 (Liam & 1/2p are much better) but Davies at 10 being more creative than Dan B

Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:38 pm

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Re: Ospreys vs Connacht

awaywardlad wrote:

mr messy wrote:

because of the nature of the game against the dragonns, davies had more of the ball in hand, and had more of a significant involvement in the tactical kicking than biggar.

unfortunately davies with more possession showed a distinct lack of control on the game and was one of the main players you could single out for aimless kicking

I'm not discussing Davies at 15 (Liam & 1/2p are much better) but Davies at 10 being more creative than Dan B

I'm discussing the game management role that a 10 needs to have in the current game. Only Being creative doesn't mean all that against organised teams when you're not given an armchair ride and certainly doesn't mean you're a better 10. Otherwise Matt Morgan would be starting. Doesn't matter what number you have on your shirt when you're failing to exert control on a game.

Fri Jan 13, 2017 12:09 am

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Re: Ospreys vs Connacht

awaywardlad wrote:

mr messy wrote:

because of the nature of the game against the dragonns, davies had more of the ball in hand, and had more of a significant involvement in the tactical kicking than biggar.

unfortunately davies with more possession showed a distinct lack of control on the game and was one of the main players you could single out for aimless kicking

I'm not discussing Davies at 15 (Liam & 1/2p are much better) but Davies at 10 being more creative than Dan B

He's more creative, but he's not a better 10.

The Scarlets game was great example of how to play territory and win a close game.

Throwing the ball around in that game could have backfired terribly.

Fri Jan 13, 2017 2:12 pm

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Re: Ospreys vs Connacht

Davies does have good game management... when he was younger his game was mostly about territorial kicking. I would hate to see him lazily type cast as a flair player who can't run a game

Biggar is the man in possession of the shirt, is very experienced and been part of a winning side. It is ridiculous to say one is crap and the other is great, or the other way round. Davies has to wrestle the shirt from biggar... I am not sure he has done that yet

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