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Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

Heaven forbid our center be a defensive specialist. He is the true anchor of this team , Paul George may be the sizzle but Roy is still the steak. He is the reason we are the best defensive team in the league. Everything starts with him. Don"t believe me, feel free to ask any maverick fan what they think of the chandler situation. One player can change a culture and Hibbert has. We pair him with 4 scorers at all times. He does not need to score a point to be a gold mine to this team. People way underestimate the grit and hustle players and Hibbert is great at it. I don't see a problem with his fg% as its typically above the opposing teams.

we didnt give him 58 mil to be a defensive specialist. and we aren't even asking for him to put up 20ppg and be the focal point of the offense. just hit the shots at the damn rim. Chandler is fantastic around the rim, thats why he's hitting like 60 some % this year. Sure his fg% is above the other teams, but he's taking 90% of his shots within 5 feet of the rim and missing most of them.

Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

He also plays in a explosive offense that is outside in and focuses on guard play that allows him to get a large amount of alley oops from Kidd. Ask him to post someone up and he doesn't look much different than Roy.

If Roy would seek contact like Tyler I think his points would go way up due to the fact that he has been a good ft shooter.

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Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

we didnt give him 58 mil to be a defensive specialist. and we aren't even asking for him to put up 20ppg and be the focal point of the offense. just hit the shots at the damn rim. Chandler is fantastic around the rim, thats why he's hitting like 60 some % this year. Sure his fg% is above the other teams, but he's taking 90% of his shots within 5 feet of the rim and missing most of them.

Just be able to finish Roy, thats all I want.

Dikembe Mutombo made a lot of money as a defensive specialist. The only difference is he was a little more athletic than Hibbert so he was a better finisher on the offensive end. It's not like he's missing uncontested shots. He's missing heavily contested shots, often playing through a lot of contact.

Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

Just wanted to say, I made my shirt for tonight's game, and wore it down to warm-ups and stood on the Bulls end while Derrick Rose shot around. He glanced over and gave me a dirty look. My week was made when he acknowledged that he didn't like my shirt.

Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

Chandler is fantastic around the rim, thats why he's hitting like 60 some % this year. Sure his fg% is above the other teams, but he's taking 90% of his shots within 5 feet of the rim and missing most of them.

Open lay-ups or dunks withn 5 feet are different than hook shots and contested tips within 5 feet. The type of shots that Chandler and Hibbert take are different.

Chandler is a PnR big. He excels in cutting to the rim and finishing with a dunk. Hibbert is a post-up big. He is asked to generate offense off the post. He is sucking at it right now, though.

But I'll just say this.

Post-up bigs are supposed to shoot worse than PnR bigs!

You cannot throw the ball to Chandler in the post and ask him to generate offense. That's the difference.

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Just wanted to say, I made my shirt for tonight's game, and wore it down to warm-ups and stood on the Bulls end while Derrick Rose shot around. He glanced over and gave me a dirty look. My week was made when he acknowledged that he didn't like my shirt.

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Cool you made a shirt, but making fun of his torn acl is not really something I approve of.

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Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

The thing is, Roy is missing the easy shots too. He is missing absolute gimmies. And thats my biggest gripe with him. He needs to finish with a dunk. He needs to hit his lay ups. We don't ask Roy to generate offense off the post anymore either. We just go through West when we want that now.

And right now we can't throw the ball to Roy in the post and ask him to generate offense. Right now we can't throw the ball to Roy in the post at all. PG and Lance found that out tonight.

Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

we didnt give him 58 mil to be a defensive specialist. and we aren't even asking for him to put up 20ppg and be the focal point of the offense. just hit the shots at the damn rim. Chandler is fantastic around the rim, thats why he's hitting like 60 some % this year. Sure his fg% is above the other teams, but he's taking 90% of his shots within 5 feet of the rim and missing most of them.

Just be able to finish Roy, thats all I want.

yes we did give him 58 million to be a defensive specialist, and so far it's working in our favor.

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Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

Mutha effing Tyson Chandler doesn't miss point black put backs and bunnies, and he certainly doesn't let anyone move him out of the paint. This type of crap play on the offensive end should not be acceptable to the coaching staff.

Vogel just needs to sit him down and show clips of how effective he was last year, heck show him clips of how he broke Al Horford last year.

Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

The thing is, Roy is missing the easy shots too. He is missing absolute gimmies. And thats my biggest gripe with him. He needs to finish with a dunk. He needs to hit his lay ups. We don't ask Roy to generate offense off the post anymore either. We just go through West when we want that now.

We still ask Roy to generate offense off the post. We just do it less. And that's a good adjustment. But we still go to him in the post 4-5 times a game.

I'd like Roy to dunk more of its close shots but I cannot ignore that those shots are heavily contested more often than not.

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Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

yes we did give him 58 million to be a defensive specialist, and so far it's working in our favor.

Ha no. Roy got that contract because what he did on both ends of the court last year. He was very effective in the post on offense. Roy's biggest strength has been his defense and was key in him gaining that contract. But it wasn't the sole reason he got it. He was 10 times the offensive player last year than what he is this year.

Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

The thing is, Roy is missing the easy shots too. He is missing absolute gimmies. And thats my biggest gripe with him. He needs to finish with a dunk. He needs to hit his lay ups. We don't ask Roy to generate offense off the post anymore either. We just go through West when we want that now.

And right now we can't throw the ball to Roy in the post and ask him to generate offense. Right now we can't throw the ball to Roy in the post at all. PG and Lance found that out tonight.

Well then it's a good thing David West, Paul George, Lance Stephenson, George Hill, and soon Danny Granger are all capable scorers. As long as we have 2 of George/Granger/West we can have enough offense to win provided Hibbert continues to do his job on the defensive end.

Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

We still ask Roy to generate offense off the post. We just do it less. And that's a good adjustment. But we still go to him in the post 4-5 times a game.

I'd like Roy to dunk more of its close shots but I cannot ignore that those shots are heavily contested more often than not.

Ok, 4-5 times a game... But we don't rely on him to do it at all. All I want is him to hit the easy buckets. Yeah he's getting hit on them, but guess what? So does every other big man. Thats why he's 7'2". He's gotta hit the easy shots.

Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

Well then it's a good thing David West, Paul George, Lance Stephenson, George Hill, and soon Danny Granger are all capable scorers. As long as we have 2 of George/Granger/West we can have enough offense to win provided Hibbert continues to do his job on the defensive end.

I agree, but that isn't an excuse for him to miss easy put backs and shots within 5 feet, which is pretty much every shot he takes right now.

Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

Just wanted to say, I made my shirt for tonight's game, and wore it down to warm-ups and stood on the Bulls end while Derrick Rose shot around. He glanced over and gave me a dirty look. My week was made when he acknowledged that he didn't like my shirt.

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I would have given you a dirty look if I was him too. That's pretty cold man.

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Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

What I know is that despite a miserable start to the season we are 10 games over .500 and are riding around at a .600 winning percentage. Hibbert is having a miserable offensive year, but we're still winning. There's two things that can happen. Either Hibbert gets better offensively or he doesn't.

If he doesn't, his role on offense continues to shrink. His FG% may stay the same, but since basically all of his FGAs will be shots directly off of passes or on putbacks it won't really affect our offense much.

If he does get better, we get to find soemthing else to talk about lol.

Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

Ok, 4-5 times a game... But we don't rely on him to do it at all. All I want is him to hit the easy buckets. Yeah he's getting hit on them, but guess what? So does every other big man. Thats why he's 7'2". He's gotta hit the easy shots.

The difference is that the players you're comparing him to (Chandler, Mutombo) are much more athletic and stronger than Roy.

I've said it again. Roy's base seems weaker this season since Roy decided to put on weight in his upper body in order to not be pushed off the block and absorb contact better in the defensive end.

Roy will have to work on his base next off-season. If he had a strong base, he would be able to retain his balance much better and finish through contact. The rest being healed is going to help as well.

That's my opinion at least.

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Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

Bulls fans tonight are talking about how they played with half a team and were in the game. I think they have a point, but it's a division rival, in a game for the division lead. And, Thibs has to be Coach of the Year.

The discussion has turned to Roy, so I'll say something really quick on that. His offense sucks this year and something needs done to correct it. Big-man coach or extra practice on the hook shot, or slap him before every game so he can dunk it like he's 7'2". Something. His defense is tremendous, and I can still tell how much different this team is without him on the court. But if he could just score with any regularity, man we'd be impossible to beat.

But, tonight's game was all about excitement.

DWest brought it like he always brings it. But what was awesome for me was to see the fire from Lance and PaulStar, and even Psycho T tonight! The Fieldhouse was rocking, and the Pacers finally gave them a show worth cheering for. Friday's Miami game was a great win, but tonight's highlight fest was a lot of fun. As sad as it is, we really need a handful of the kind of plays Paul, Lance, and George were making in every game to attract the attention of the casual fan.

Plus, how awesome is it to see those three guys (Paul, Lance, Hill), who we've watched develop, mature, and improve make these kinds of plays? For the patience to pay off? The risk? I love it.

Final note tonight: When Rose returns to Chicago and Danny returns to the Pacers, both teams will be good enough to beat Miami in the playoffs. No doubt in my mind.

Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

Cool you made a shirt, but making fun of his torn acl is not really something I approve of.

We're all different. Although Derrick Rose tore his ACL, it's not like he will never walk again. He'll still be a better athlete than any one of us. And oh yeah, he is making 16 million dollars this year not to mention his 200 million dollar shoe deal.

Re: Pacers/Bulls Postgame Thread 2/4/13

Would love the forum's thoughts on Beleneli. How much of his outburst are we blaming on Lance? It feels like he was hitting from everywhere, but I haven't seen enough of him to know if those are shots he normally hits.

When Lance wasn't able to get around screens, he was able to hit the open shot. When Lance was able to get around the screen and not give Bellineli an open look......he didn't hit the shot.

Although you have to wonder why Vogel didn't give Lance some rest and put Young on Bellineli or switch Young over to Deng and PG on Bellineli.

Overall though...I think it was an anomaly when it comes to Bellineli's shooting....he was hitting the majority of the shots that he was taking. Sometimes when your hot...your hot....nothing that Lance could have done would have made a difference.