Who even made the rule that we cannot group ducks and fish together for the simple reason that they are both aquatic? If I want to group them that way and it serves my purpose then I can jolly well do it however I want to and it is still a nested hierarchy and you can't tell me that it's not.

BTW dave, you're all about the environment, right? What do you think of your Leader's choice for the head of the EPA?

Who even made the rule that we cannot group ducks and fish together for the simple reason that they are both aquatic? If I want to group them that way and it serves my purpose then I can jolly well do it however I want to and it is still a nested hierarchy and you can't tell me that it's not.

How the little guy will be better off? Well he might be able to get a good paying job in Michigan working for Ford thanks to Trump. Or at one of the other many companies who are committing to more USA factories.

Hey Dave, your idol (thou shalt not worship false gods) is ordering people to just invent shit about his economic policies.

As the White House staff tries to put together a budget for President Donald Trump, they face a fundamental problem. Trump has promised to cut taxes, increase spending on the military and infrastructure, and avoid cuts to Social Security and Medicare. The only way to do that without producing an exploding budget deficit is to assume a big increase in economic growth.

And Nick Timiraos at the Wall Street Journal reports that Trump is planning to do just that -- by making things up.

Deep into his story about Trump budget hijinks, Timiraos reveals that "what's unusual about the administration's forecasts isn't just their relative optimism but also the process by which they were derived." Specifically, what's unusual about them is that they weren't derived by any process at all. Instead of letting economists build a forecast, Trump's budget was put together with "transition officials telling the CEA staff the growth targets that their budget would produce and asking them to backfill other estimates off those figures."

Dave, did you watch that press conference? Did you not see how he talked to April Ryan? Did you hear/read what he said to her? Explain how the President of the United States of America can allow himself to be that out of the reality loop, that insensitive, and that condescending?

Dave wouldn't even understand the April Ryan incident. You'll have to actually explain it to him, in detail, if you want it to have any impact.

You're probably right. And explaining would do little good because, much like Trump. he likely can't even recognise it in himself.

Sometimes I just shake my head in disbelief that there are "real" scientists here at this forum who actually believe that Trump is a failed businessman "because he went through some bankruptcies." Trump is one of the world's most successful businessmen ... and many people here can't even see that basic fact.

I suppose it shouldn't surprise me .... after all, these same people believe in the "Alice in Wonderland" view of world history ... millions of years ... no Flood ... etc.

Poor dave. Just look at him, teasing and baiting and goading us, desperately trying to steer the discussion towards the only thing he (feels like) he has arguments for: Trump being a "good businessman".

What's the Trump brand worth, when the American people take up his suggestion of "buying American" and leave his foreign-made ties and shirts on the shelf, and when Trump-labelled buildings and businesses worldwide are terrorist targets?

Dave, did you watch that press conference? Did you not see how he talked to April Ryan? Did you hear/read what he said to her? Explain how the President of the United States of America can allow himself to be that out of the reality loop, that insensitive, and that condescending?

That's aside from all the rest of the sometimes dangerous insanity he was spilling all over the place.

He's messed up in some ways. Aren't we all? But he also has many good qualities. And it so happens that his good qualities are what are what's needed in the White House these days.

Dave, did you watch that press conference? Did you not see how he talked to April Ryan? Did you hear/read what he said to her? Explain how the President of the United States of America can allow himself to be that out of the reality loop, that insensitive, and that condescending?

That's aside from all the rest of the sometimes dangerous insanity he was spilling all over the place.

He's messed up in some ways.

None of which you are willing to acknowledge specifically. So you just hand-wave them away in this generic, "no one's perfect" non-response.The post you are (not) responding to asks a series of specific questions. None of which you address.

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Aren't we all?

No. We are not all that that out of the reality loop, that insensitive, and that condescending.

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But he also has many good qualities.

In the eyes of his true believers, apparently. I don't see any.

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And it so happens that his good qualities are what are what's needed in the White House these days.

It is characteristic of the raging narcissist to confuse "it is my opinion that..." with "it so happens that..."

"I understand Donald Trump better than many people because I really am a lot like him." - Dave Hawkins

Sometimes I just shake my head in disbelief that there are "real" scientists here at this forum who actually believe that Trump is a failed businessman "because he went through some bankruptcies." Trump is one of the world's most successful businessmen ... and many people here can't even see that basic fact.

I suppose it shouldn't surprise me .... after all, these same people believe in the "Alice in Wonderland" view of world history ... millions of years ... no Flood ... etc.

Poor dave. Just look at him, teasing and baiting and goading us, desperately trying to steer the discussion towards the only thing he (feels like) he has arguments for: Trump being a "good businessman".

What's the Trump brand worth, when the American people take up his suggestion of "buying American" and leave his foreign-made ties and shirts on the shelf, and when Trump-labelled buildings and businesses worldwide are terrorist targets?

What's the Trump brand worth? Why don't you ask the stock market?

Which of the Bobbypinned President's businesses are quoted on the stock market? So far as I know, he sticks to private companies so he can avoid being accountable to shareholders and the authorities. I'm quite prepared to be proven wrong on this point.

Dave, did you watch that press conference? Did you not see how he talked to April Ryan? Did you hear/read what he said to her? Explain how the President of the United States of America can allow himself to be that out of the reality loop, that insensitive, and that condescending?

That's aside from all the rest of the sometimes dangerous insanity he was spilling all over the place.

He's messed up in some ways. Aren't we all? But he also has many good qualities. And it so happens that his good qualities are what are what's needed in the White House these days.

Dave, that wasn't just 'messing up'. That was full on treating a black woman reporter, who asked him a relevant question, like a child or a servant. That was Trump being apparently unaware that the Congressional Black Caucus even exists, when it is an organisation that even I, living in a different country, am well aware of.

In case YOU don't know, here:

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The Congressional Black Caucus is an organization representing the African-American members of the United States Congress.

This man is the President. How can he not be aware of a powerful body of elected congressmen and women?

What on earth would cause him to suggest this black reporter might be 'friends' with the members of the CBC? Does he think all black people know each other?

Why would he try to order her to 'set up a meeting'? The CBC is part of the US government, composed of members of Congress. You don't ask a random black person to do that, you get your own damn Presidential staff to coordinate meetings.

Donald Trump comes across as a racist lackwit in that conversation. There's no other way to interpret it.

Dave, did you watch that press conference? Did you not see how he talked to April Ryan? Did you hear/read what he said to her? Explain how the President of the United States of America can allow himself to be that out of the reality loop, that insensitive, and that condescending?

That's aside from all the rest of the sometimes dangerous insanity he was spilling all over the place.

He's messed up in some ways. Aren't we all? But he also has many good qualities. And it so happens that his good qualities are what are what's needed in the White House these days.

Bull.

Shit.

Who even made the rule that we cannot group ducks and fish together for the simple reason that they are both aquatic? If I want to group them that way and it serves my purpose then I can jolly well do it however I want to and it is still a nested hierarchy and you can't tell me that it's not.

I'll give you guys a full day to see if you can use your own fertile brains to answer your questions.

Let's see now, why would corporations whose activities have been somewhat limited by regulation get a boner when some nutter promises to take all that nasty anti-business socialist type regulation away? They can make fuck-tonnes more money screwing their customers and raping the environment that way, why wouldn't the market factor that in?

Why wouldn't the market factor in all those lovely profits from huge but poorly thought out walls and how about all those dollars in persecuting and deporting poor people. Why wouldn't the market factor that in?

Think of all the filthy lucre just waiting to be collected from unfettered access to regimes previously off limits due to sanctions. Why wouldn't the market factor that in?

The increased stock market is a reflection of greed and people salivating over the profits to be made from chaos David.

Dave, did you watch that press conference? Did you not see how he talked to April Ryan? Did you hear/read what he said to her? Explain how the President of the United States of America can allow himself to be that out of the reality loop, that insensitive, and that condescending?

That's aside from all the rest of the sometimes dangerous insanity he was spilling all over the place.

He's messed up in some ways. Aren't we all? But he also has many good qualities. And it so happens that his good qualities are what are what's needed in the White House these days.

What are those qualities, and in what ways have you seen him apply them during last month?

While you were getting your PhD in virology, I got my PhD in truth detection. Dave Hawkins