>>161180874>#17 is a match for Blueberry Goku not holding back>Super Perfect Cell is weaker than the weakest form of pre-DBS Majin BuuWhat are we ignoring? No one said #17 WASN'T absorbed by Cell, dude. Are you trying to make Cell-friends look worse with the false-flagging?

You are now aware that base Vegeta with a 18,000 power level had 180,000 as an Oozaru and was the strongest warrior in all of Freeza's army and was even stronger than the Ginyu force. Base Vegeta prior to Earth was second only to Freeza.

>>161181282>be King Vegeta>have Oozaru>decide to rebel against Emperor Freeza>charge in his spaceship with your troops>could have created an artificial moon (was a technique)>could have sent in hundreds of oozaru soldiers at once>even one of Raditz strength (1,500) would become strong enough to wreck havoc (15,000)>engage the tyrant who has a base power level of over 500,000 in hand-to-hand combat>your entire army has scouters so you should have known how strong he was with a literal glance>do none of this>don't even try to blow up his spaceship without engaging the monster, hoping for him to suffocate in space (assuming they didn't know he could survive in a vacuum)>don't attempt any tactics like destroying Freeza's supply routes or reinforcements or ability to travel across the cosmos>do nothing strategic to save your planet despite being the king of a warrior race>get instantly slain>your planet and 99.99% of your people are wiped out

whenever someone sees another person voice criticism about the series doing a bad job of justifying a characters improvements or action in battle, they automatically assume "You're just a power level fan tard! Toei, Toriyama, Toyotaro don't have to listen to your PL lists!".

No mother fucker, good justifications & scaling is important for any battle series and especially shonen that are all about improving and then showing off the fruits of your labor.

>>161181871Welp, Super confirmed for near death status. I can finally get off this ride I guess.See you faggots for the next time Tori/Toei decide they need a quick cash in and come up with a new non canon movie or a sequel.

I like dragon ball because the fights but I love dragon ball because the warriors ; I loved db and dbz because we got to see training, smart tactics and amazing techniques ; one of the things dragon ball did wrong was the introduction of race unlimited/ or limited power this make good chars as piccolo and tien irelevant and create a way dumb power levels.In the current ToP we saw after sometime female warriors ; we have the u6 that can achieve ssj and control power in a blink just because they are saiyans and we saw ribriane who using some kind transformation can fight android17 .So far (imo) we have 2 female saiyans that are pure fanservice abusing of the "im saiyan card" and we have Ribriane ( and even the other female from u2) that actually fight and have some nice battle tactics and powers; yes cauliflowa was fighting goku but at the end she doesnt show anything and kale was just a female broly that achieve control of her power because again she is saiyan.As warriors and chars I foynd more interesting ribriane than the u6 female saiyans, sadly last 2 because the kawaii factor probably going to end with more screen and development than u2 females.

>>161180663To be fair she's also mentioned in Dragon Ball Online which is at least debatable canon. Either way, she's not a Kai assigned to a particular universe but one who's supposed to manage the timelines.

Jesus Christ. I wonder if anyone here realizes that EVERYBODY'S jobbed at least once. Hell, Saiyan's get stronger every time they job. Talking shit about a character in this series for jobbing is like talking shit about people irl for getting having to breathe.

>>161182943I liked how Toei went above and beyond their usual performance and delivered such a wonderful shot of Trashifla's job at the hands of Gohan, too.>captcha KaleKek take that you autist, next episode is your turn to get ringed out by /ourguy/.

>>161183289>Alternate reality where Kale ends up being the crazy one and Broly is pure both in and out of LSS >Throughout the entire season Kale chases him down to fight and fuck his brains out willing or not>Broly finally grows a pair and decides to fight back and narrowly avoids getting MONKEY'D>The resulting battle ends up turning whatever planet they were on into a wasteland>He ends up getting away>Kale still swears she'll hunt him down for his seed and kill him

>Gohanfags at it againI find it almost adorable that you keep this up. Especially with how you're so easily triggered by a dumb little ape girl. I'd say you're like that little shit Caillou, but at least the reason he can't grow hair is because of the chemo, you balding failures.

>>161183482The point of the tournament is to prune the lesser Universes permanently. The only rationale for said Universes being allowed back is Zeno making the TOP a tradition, like the Tenka'ichi Budokai, which I can see happening.

>>161183186>>vs Goku on EarthHe beat Goku.>>vs Gohan on EarthHe also beat gohan. He only lost because he got blind sided by a spirit bomb. >>vs RecommeVegeta did not job against Recoome. He fought pretty well against him but lost. And he lost pretty badly at the end but he did not job. >>vs Base FreezaHe was as strong as base Frieza, that ended in a stalemate. >>vs Cell JuniorVegeta was one of the only people who was actually able to fight the Jr.s on equal footing.

I can't comment on anything from Super because I haven't watched it yet.

>>161183547>Kale finally catches up with him>Broly can't transform because of fear>Seeing Base Broly calms her down and she goes down to base too>Broly is enamored>They have the best sex ever because in base, they are really fucking beautiful

To be honest, I'd like it a lot better if the Grand Priest was the one in charge, and the one who erased planets instead of Zeno. The fact that Zeno's basically an oblivious child makes it pretty clear he'll be turned around like Fat Buu. The fact that Grand Priest is a conscious adult who's still at almighty Zeno's mercy lets me know exactly what'll happen once Grand Priest confronts Goku over wishing everyone back.I think it'd be cool for Grand Priest to be the top dog who just so happens to have a condescending liking for Goku, seeing him as an amusing little peasant, while still being haughty and merciless in his erasure of universes.

>>161183673>He beat Goku.He lost to Gohan, Yajirobe, and Krillen though.>He also beat gohanGohan was the reason why he got massively weakened down to the point the Genki Dama took him out and Gohan was the one who bounced it at him, hitting him with it ultimately. So not agreeing there.>Vegeta did not job.Vegeta got utterly annihilated by Recomme.>on equal footingHe was unable to beat the Cell Junior, while fresh, while being toyed with by it the whole time, regardless.

>>161184108He still beat Goku. Getting hit by a spirit bomb doesn't mean he jobbed to Goku. And he beat Gohan, again only losing because he got blindsided by a spirit bomb. Vegeta fought recoome just fine but lost in the end, that isn't jobbing. He still managed to fight one and didn't get slaughtered like everyone else.

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>>161184758getting absolutely destroys by someone whose strength is generally unknown in order to make said person look strong in comparison to everyone else. Losing is not jobbing. Vegeta beat Goku, Vegeta beat Gohan, Vegeta fought Recoome pretty well but ended up losing, and he didn't lose when fighting a Cell Jr. You have absolutely no idea what jobbing is.

>>161180154I had an argument with someone earlier about whether or not Goku would be much stronger than Tien, Krillin, and all other humans if he actually was a human, Do you guys think Goku would still be an outlier among the humans if he actually was one? Would he be close or even rival being a SSG in power?

Kaioken would carry Goku through the Saiyan Saga, but near death power ups are completely broken in Namek, which would leave him behind even before SSJ comes into play. Although I guess it's possible he'd go to the RoSaT before leaving to Namek.

Afterwards, the only thing left would be the ultimate form if he learned about it somehow, and then he could mix it with Kaioken.

I guess there's also the possibility of becoming a 17-type cyborg with the plans they stole from Gero, since at least going by Super it doesn't get in the way of training to become stronger.

>>161189487Would you say Tien is the pinnacle of how strong a human can get, he dedicated his life to training unlike Krillin and Yamcha. Or do you think Goku has a higher drive and trains smarter than anyone else. It's just weird when you think of how weak Goku was relative to all other saiyans as a kid, even as a teenager to semi adult where he just caught up rapidly during the saiyan and namek arc.

Did you guys talk about Yamcha's final spinoff chapter being released yet? There's no translations of it, but I like the fact that Chaozu was the other guy but hated the fact that he got sent back to normal. Oh well, overall it was pretty good.

>>161189656Whatever Tien is doing that keeps him weaker than a guy who only unlocked his power after not properly training for over 7 years (excluding his training with 18 in Z for the tournament and with Goku as of Super), it isn't working. He needs to either swallow his pride and unlock his power or try something new.

>>161180154Honestly yeah, Fuck Zeno>Wants to destroy Decillion-Duodecillian lives (and yes those are real numbers) because lazy as fuck and doesn't want to manage them anymore>Despite the fact there are now two of them and they could easily just split the monitor duty in half.I hope the Grand Priest turns "evil" and kills him, he's clearly unfit to rule.

>>161191173Innocent lives and civilizations? I mean fuck it's only 12 Universes.DC and Marvel has like 100,000 plus universes each and you don't see The Presence or One Above All saying 'Eh I'm lazy, time to blow everything up.'Hell The Presence even DID get tired of Creation and decided to make a successor instead of just going 'Nah, fuck this' and just destryoing it.Zeno is a complete lazy and autisticly destructive child.