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...and I must say, it's really not as bad as I remembered. I used to watch it just for the action scenes, and I would skip all the bull crap. But watching it from start to finish, the only things irked me were the juvenile stunts, such as the dogs humping, Wheelie's leg humping, and Devastator ballz.

I still think the other 2 films are better, and I still think Megan Fox is more attractive than Rosie Huntington-Whiteley. Even if she overdid the collagen in her lips.

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I watch ROTF all the way through all the time. I just like it even more every time I watch it, to the point now where I think it's the most fun of the 3 movies. I just think DOTM was...done a bit better in the terms of the way it was set up.

There's absolutely nothing I like about Jetfire, character or toy wise, with the exception that he makes a rocket pack in the movie. It was a great injustice to the name. The combined toy is massive, and I need the space. If I sell Jetfire by himself, I'm keeping Prime. But if someone buys them together, then they're gone.

Burn wrote:Alpha Bravo...He's a helicopter in a team of jets. That's just dumb.

Rodimus Prime wrote:...and I must say, it's really not as bad as I remembered. I used to watch it just for the action scenes, and I would skip all the bull crap. But watching it from start to finish, the only things irked me were the juvenile stunts, such as the dogs humping, Wheelie's leg humping, and Devastator ballz.

I still think the other 2 films are better, and I still think Megan Fox is more attractive than Rosie Huntington-Whiteley. Even if she overdid the collagen in her lips.

Rodimus Prime wrote:...and I must say, it's really not as bad as I remembered. I used to watch it just for the action scenes, and I would skip all the bull crap. But watching it from start to finish, the only things irked me were the juvenile stunts, such as the dogs humping, Wheelie's leg humping, and Devastator ballz.

I still think the other 2 films are better, and I still think Megan Fox is more attractive than Rosie Huntington-Whiteley. Even if she overdid the collagen in her lips.

Yeah, it does. Sure, it has flaws, but it's just a movie. Bayverse doesn't define the TF Universe. It just happens to be its most widely distributed continuity. And I like all of Bay's movies, except Pearl Harbor.

Burn wrote:Alpha Bravo...He's a helicopter in a team of jets. That's just dumb.

Rodimus Prime wrote:...and I must say, it's really not as bad as I remembered. I used to watch it just for the action scenes, and I would skip all the bull crap. But watching it from start to finish, the only things irked me were the juvenile stunts, such as the dogs humping, Wheelie's leg humping, and Devastator ballz.

I still think the other 2 films are better, and I still think Megan Fox is more attractive than Rosie Huntington-Whiteley. Even if she overdid the collagen in her lips.

Yeah, it does. Sure, it has flaws, but it's just a movie. Bayverse doesn't define the TF Universe. It just happens to be its most widely distributed continuity. And I like all of Bay's movies, except Pearl Harbor.

The TF Universe is beyond definition with how it's different every time. Just try and compare G1, Beast Wars, Energon,, the film trilogy, Animated, and Prime. Aside from various themes and characters it's always different.

Also I agree with you. He makes solid action films but Pearl Harbor was an abomination. However that's entirely blamable on Randal Wallance, the screen writer, who decided to go for making "the next Titanic" to which the studio executives agreed. Bay doesn't have the creative control you might think and when the executives say so his hands are tied. RotF's problems stem from similar issues, namely the lack of a finished script and executives with no interest in pausing production until the Writer's Strike ended. There's a reason writers write and directors direct, just look at the Star Wars prequels.

Capt.Failure wrote:Also I agree with you. He makes solid action films but Pearl Harbor was an abomination. However that's entirely blamable on Randal Wallance, the screen writer, who decided to go for making "the next Titanic" to which the studio executives agreed. Bay doesn't have the creative control you might think and when the executives say so his hands are tied.

I enjoyed Titanic well enough, even if it was too long and seemed to not have enough carnage. It did, but the love story broke it up. The other thing that pissed me off about Pearl Harbor was that I like history, especially 20th century war history, and I was looking forward to a war movie. Instead, as you said, we got an attempt at copying Titanic. That movie worked because it was a tragic accident (Pearl Harbor wasn't) and the love story made it more emotional. In Pearl Harbor, it just took away from the subject of the movie, which should have been the Japanese attack and the subsequent American entrance into the war. The other difference was that James Cameron is better at putting an emotional story on a grander setting. It held true for the Terminator movies he directed, as well as Titanic. Bay, as awesome as he is at grand action, can't present emotional stuff very well, except minimally. (I.e. Bruce Willis's goodbye speech in Armageddon.)

RotF's problems stem from similar issues, namely the lack of a finished script and executives with no interest in pausing production until the Writer's Strike ended.

Yeah, I would have gladly waited an extra year for a much better quality script. Whatever time Orci and Kurtzman (who are not that good to begin with) had before the strike went to Star Trek and it showed. Ironically, RoTF still made more money.

There's a reason writers write and directors direct, just look at the Star Wars prequels.

That said RotF is way better than the Star Wars prequels, so yeah.

I thought Episode III was better than RoTF. It was a very well crafted emotional action epic, tying all 6 movies together. The only drawbacks, IMO, were the shitty acting of Hayden Christensen and Ian McDiarmid after he was deformed. The fight between Obi-Wan and Anakin and Yoda and the Emperor was awesome, though it had an abrupt and anti-climactic ending. The only main gripe I have is that after Episode III, I no longer saw Vader as a ruthless galactic badass, but instead as a pathetic, jealous fool who got duped very easily. On the flip side, I really didn't like Yoda in the OS, and after Episodes II and II, I had a lot more respect for him. (When he broke out the green saber in Episode II, I actually cheered out loud in the theater.) I attempted to watch Star Wars (yes, I still call it that, f**k it being "Episode IV") a while after, and I couldn't even finish it, because every time I saw Vader I just shook my head. Haven't watched the movies since.

Burn wrote:Alpha Bravo...He's a helicopter in a team of jets. That's just dumb.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I thought Episode III was better than RoTF. It was a very well crafted emotional action epic, tying all 6 movies together. The only drawbacks, IMO, were the shitty acting of Hayden Christensen and Ian McDiarmid after he was deformed. The fight between Obi-Wan and Anakin and Yoda and the Emperor was awesome, though it had an abrupt and anti-climactic ending. The only main gripe I have is that after Episode III, I no longer saw Vader as a ruthless galactic badass, but instead as a pathetic, jealous fool who got duped very easily. On the flip side, I really didn't like Yoda in the OS, and after Episodes II and II, I had a lot more respect for him. (When he broke out the green saber in Episode II, I actually cheered out loud in the theater.) I attempted to watch Star Wars (yes, I still call it that, f**k it being "Episode IV") a while after, and I couldn't even finish it, because every time I saw Vader I just shook my head. Haven't watched the movies since.

The very fact that the story of Episode 3 ruined Darth Vader retroactively throughout the Star Wars saga shows that no, Episode 3 is not worthy of any praise. It holds it's own until Anikin' betrayal and just falls apart from there. His temptation to the Dark Side was completely out of left field and unrealistically portrayed on a psychological level, even for someone with emotional trauma like him.

Now in Ian McDiarmid's case I loved his performance through the entire trilogy. He was a wonderfully sinister villain who, after laying low for so long, finally got to cut loose and be himself. That being a complete monster who'd order the death of children at the drop of a hat. It's Anikin's sudden willingness to commit such atrocities that ruins it.

I would also question how you could love a movie that, by your own admittance, retroactively ruined the original trilogy? It's the same with me and that only makes Episode 3 a worse film.

Capt.Failure wrote:I would also question how you could love a movie that, by your own admittance, retroactively ruined the original trilogy? It's the same with me and that only makes Episode 3 a worse film.

It just brings everything else down. Pretty much like RoTF. I didn't say I loved Episode III, I said it was well crafted. Titanic was well crafted, but I didn't love it and I doubt I'd ever voluntarily spend 3 hours watching it again. Ep. III had some high points, and some low ones. The overall package isn't worth getting the Blu Rays or spending the time to watch the entire saga over again, however. In and of itself it's not a bad movie. It's the effect it has on the entire series that makes it bad. Just like RoTF. The 2007 movie was good, as was DotM for the most part. If it wasn't for Megatron's resurrection, his damage in the final battle, and the reference made to Sam being in Egypt, and a few minor details that can be glossed over, you could watch the first film followed by DotM and not miss a beat.

Burn wrote:Alpha Bravo...He's a helicopter in a team of jets. That's just dumb.

Rodimus Prime wrote:If it wasn't for Megatron's resurrection, his damage in the final battle, and the reference made to Sam being in Egypt, and a few minor details that can be glossed over, you could watch the first film followed by DotM and not miss a beat.

You're missing the parts were:

a) The Transformers films are more self contained stories than the Star Wars films.b) Megatron being resurrected, Sam being in Egypt and mentioning being on the FBI's wanted list, the sudden appearance of the Matrix, Megatron's damaged state. These things are not "minor details" and would make no sense if you didn't watch the previous film. DotM was not made with the intent to remove RotF from canon.

Rodimus Prime wrote:If it wasn't for Megatron's resurrection, his damage in the final battle, and the reference made to Sam being in Egypt, and a few minor details that can be glossed over, you could watch the first film followed by DotM and not miss a beat.

You're missing the parts were:

a) The Transformers films are more self contained stories than the Star Wars films.b) Megatron being resurrected, Sam being in Egypt and mentioning being on the FBI's wanted list, the sudden appearance of the Matrix, Megatron's damaged state. These things are not "minor details" and would make no sense if you didn't watch the previous film. DotM was not made with the intent to remove RotF from canon.

And you're missing the part where I stated if it wasn't for those details and a few minor details, RoTF could be done without. Why the hell are you being so combative, anyway? I thought we were having a civil discussion. I'm also well aware that DotM wasn't meant to remove RoTF from Bayverse. I'm just saying that aside from the above mentioned details, there's nothing to tie RoTF to DotM. Calm down.

Burn wrote:Alpha Bravo...He's a helicopter in a team of jets. That's just dumb.

Rodimus Prime wrote:If it wasn't for Megatron's resurrection, his damage in the final battle, and the reference made to Sam being in Egypt, and a few minor details that can be glossed over, you could watch the first film followed by DotM and not miss a beat.

You're missing the parts were:

a) The Transformers films are more self contained stories than the Star Wars films.b) Megatron being resurrected, Sam being in Egypt and mentioning being on the FBI's wanted list, the sudden appearance of the Matrix, Megatron's damaged state. These things are not "minor details" and would make no sense if you didn't watch the previous film. DotM was not made with the intent to remove RotF from canon.

And you're missing the part where I stated if it wasn't for those details and a few minor details, RoTF could be done without. Why the hell are you being so combative, anyway? I thought we were having a civil discussion. I'm also well aware that DotM wasn't meant to remove RoTF from Bayverse. I'm just saying that aside from the above mentioned details, there's nothing to tie RoTF to DotM. Calm down.

Considering I'm neither upset, angry, and just making a point I would ask the same of you.

Rodimus Prime wrote:If it wasn't for Megatron's resurrection, his damage in the final battle, and the reference made to Sam being in Egypt, and a few minor details that can be glossed over, you could watch the first film followed by DotM and not miss a beat.

You're missing the parts were:

a) The Transformers films are more self contained stories than the Star Wars films.b) Megatron being resurrected, Sam being in Egypt and mentioning being on the FBI's wanted list, the sudden appearance of the Matrix, Megatron's damaged state. These things are not "minor details" and would make no sense if you didn't watch the previous film. DotM was not made with the intent to remove RotF from canon.

And you're missing the part where I stated if it wasn't for those details and a few minor details, RoTF could be done without. Why the hell are you being so combative, anyway? I thought we were having a civil discussion. I'm also well aware that DotM wasn't meant to remove RoTF from Bayverse. I'm just saying that aside from the above mentioned details, there's nothing to tie RoTF to DotM. Calm down.

Considering I'm neither upset, angry, and just making a point I would ask the same of you.

I'm calm. Just pointing your misunderstanding of my post. No biggie.

Burn wrote:Alpha Bravo...He's a helicopter in a team of jets. That's just dumb.

Rodimus Prime wrote:If it wasn't for Megatron's resurrection, his damage in the final battle, and the reference made to Sam being in Egypt, and a few minor details that can be glossed over, you could watch the first film followed by DotM and not miss a beat.

You're missing the parts were:

a) The Transformers films are more self contained stories than the Star Wars films.b) Megatron being resurrected, Sam being in Egypt and mentioning being on the FBI's wanted list, the sudden appearance of the Matrix, Megatron's damaged state. These things are not "minor details" and would make no sense if you didn't watch the previous film. DotM was not made with the intent to remove RotF from canon.

And you're missing the part where I stated if it wasn't for those details and a few minor details, RoTF could be done without. Why the hell are you being so combative, anyway? I thought we were having a civil discussion. I'm also well aware that DotM wasn't meant to remove RoTF from Bayverse. I'm just saying that aside from the above mentioned details, there's nothing to tie RoTF to DotM. Calm down.

Considering I'm neither upset, angry, and just making a point I would ask the same of you.

BeastProwl wrote:I just wish the twins and jolt could have been in DOTM. Having sentinel kill them off would have been more emotionally impacting. That, and all you twin haters would rejoice. I LIKED THE TWINS!!!

Honestly this was a complaint for me in DotM. Keeping them in, even if only to die, would have been better than leaving them out. Though a better route would have been to develop the characters but of course we're talking about the worst screenplay writers in Hollywood at the moment.

Still would have liked more of a battle between Optimus and The Fallen, but Bay was under pressure to finish up filming. Executives have a good way of ruining the potential of the films they bankroll.

BeastProwl wrote:I just wish the twins and jolt could have been in DOTM. Having sentinel kill them off would have been more emotionally impacting. That, and all you twin haters would rejoice. I LIKED THE TWINS!!!

Honestly this was a complaint for me in DotM. Keeping them in, even if only to die, would have been better than leaving them out.

Agreed.

And you know what? I didn't mind the Twins either, even with the blatant stereotype. I'm not saying I approve of it, just saying the same as you do, I'd rather have them than not.

"Hey! That hurt!""It supposed to hurt! It's an asskicking!"

Though a better route would have been to develop the characters but of course we're talking about the worst screenplay writers in Hollywood at the moment.

Also agreed. Orci and Kurtzman sucked. Even though they didn't have anything to do with DotM, IIRC. Ehren Kruger? Not perfect, but much better.

Still would have liked more of a battle between Optimus and The Fallen, but Bay was under pressure to finish up filming. Executives have a good way of ruining the potential of the films they bankroll.

Yeah. Remember, their #1 priority is the bottom line of the studio. However, I thought the final battle in RoTF was long enough. Yeah, The Fallen could have gotten a little more offense in, but considering that Optimus was 'roided up, it's not implausible (by TF standards) that the fight wasn't longer. I just wish they would have given Prime better shit-talking lines than "Give me your face!" *cringe* At least he ran his mouth really good in the forest fight.

Burn wrote:Alpha Bravo...He's a helicopter in a team of jets. That's just dumb.

Yeah, that's a likely scenario. Even though The Fallen destroyed some of it in their fight. But it seems that with Jetfire's parts he had added strength, whereas the flight tech was just that, flight tech. Nothing else extra.

Burn wrote:Alpha Bravo...He's a helicopter in a team of jets. That's just dumb.

Yeah, that's a likely scenario. Even though The Fallen destroyed some of it in their fight. But it seems that with Jetfire's parts he had added strength, whereas the flight tech was just that, flight tech. Nothing else extra.

Since he never had it prior I'm 99% certain the flight tech and trailer were developed from Jetfire's parts. I made up some headcanon where the flight tech, when applied, puts extra pressure on Optimus' spark since it's like running two Cybertronians off one power source effectively limiting it's use. Hence why he had to discard it for his battle with Sentinel. Alot of "super modes" in mecha anime have limited use like that and to be frank his priority to kill the Driller with it was a good tactical move.

Yeah, makes sense. But, the original question is still to be answered. If he had the flight tech available to him at the end, would he have been able to disarm or even kill Sentinel? It seemed like nothing he threw at Sentinel had any effect, and Sentinel was even able to come back with a (literally) crippling offense.

Burn wrote:Alpha Bravo...He's a helicopter in a team of jets. That's just dumb.

Rodimus Prime wrote:Yeah, makes sense. But, the original question is still to be answered. If he had the flight tech available to him at the end, would he have been able to disarm or even kill Sentinel? It seemed like nothing he threw at Sentinel had any effect, and Sentinel was even able to come back with a (literally) crippling offense.

Well being a Prime in the Bayverse means you have a level of strength above other Cybertronians it seems. Sentinel was "closer" to the original Primes via him being of an older generation, so he was probably more powerful as just his base form with no need for upgrades. Prime needed parts from a Seeker, who are implied to be above standard Cybertronians in strength, to come close to him.

Megaton meanwhile was probably just strong as he was in the first film through being the "underdog who works for it," since it's said in book/comic side stories that he's not a Prime, just ridiculously strong for a standard Cybertronian. It took him dyeing and being repaired with inferior parts to weaken him to a point where Optimus could fight him one on one.

I think RoTF is a great film,this just show how people's opinions can be different.The only thing i remnber not liking was Wheelie'leg humping.Jetfire in that film is full of win.I dont think the twins are offensive.

And i love all Star Wars movies.

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