so he did not has the motivation to revenge for his wife?he must need his daughter to make a demand ,only then him can revenge for his wife?

Did Ra and LOS has no other option than save Bane from his doom?they just can't raid the pit ,kill those who responsible for his beloved wife's death / find her remains and walk away?

Once again I am not saying Ra's was forced to save Bane. Can you stop saying that every single time you post a response? It's the most redundant argument to something not even being said.

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Talia's request---I found my father and brought him back to exact terrible vengeance

who told you Talia's request include----saved Bane from inescapable misery life and death, killed those who assault him(unless someone can step out and claim LOS spare them all), treat his wounds ,and that man/his organziation also gave him a better device to put on his face other than blood soaked fabric,then train/teach him to become stronger(unless someone can step out and claim LOS's tough training is sort of two weeks short course)/feed him.

Let me put it to you this way; who else is going to ask Ra's to take in Bane, a man with a mutilated face, left for dead, who protected little Talia in the pit?

Stop and think hard about that one before you respond with more "Who forced Ra's to save Bane?" spiel.

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I live in Dublin in Ireland. I see homeless people begging on the streets all the time when I go into the city center. We are currently in a recession. Unemployment rates have shot up in the last few years.

But nobody is calling Dublin a horrible terrible rotten city that is beyond help. --- DC publish works are all about reality/real world? really?

You have been living under a rock if you don't know Nolan bases his themes as allegories for real life issues in the world.

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Originally Posted by Brain Damage

Fantastic article, really digs into the thematic problems with TDKR, and more importantly, how they could have been avoided.

I thought so, too

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rickfox, no offense, especially if English isn't your first language, but could you at least TRY to have some grammatical structure in your posts? It makes your arguments seem quite convoluted and half the time I'm not quite sure what the point you're trying to make is.

Also about the color coding and making certain words bigger, I can't for the life of me understand why you'd choose to post like that, but, to each his own.

Let me put it to you this way; who else is going to ask Ra's to take in Bane, a man with a mutilated face, left for dead, who protected little Talia in the pit?

and Let me put it to you this way---Ra has to do things according to Talia's will or not? if he can do things against Talia's will(anyone want to say he didn't take action against Talia's will?) ----then Talia's will/demand is not the only savior for Bane.

rickfox, no offense, especially if English isn't your first language, but could you at least TRY to have some grammatical structure in your posts? It makes your arguments seem quite convoluted and half the time I'm not quite sure what the point you're trying to make is.

Also about the color coding and making certain words bigger, I can't for the life of me understand why you'd choose to post like that, but, to each his own.

I thought I was the only one who noticed this.

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But to say that he doesn't use real life events for inspiration and themes in his stories is a total fallacy. Your problem, rickfox, is you take everything so literally. You think because Nolan uses real life events as part of his themes that means he's ignoring DC comics.

I suspect as Brain Damage said that English is not your first language.

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"Sometimes I remember it one way. Sometimes another. If I'm going to have a past, I prefer it to be multiple choice!"

But to say that he doesn't use real life events for inspiration and themes in his stories is a total fallacy. Your problem, rickfox, is you take everything so literally. You think because Nolan uses real life events as part of his themes that means he's ignoring DC comics.

in which post I wrote that sentence----"he doesn't use real life events for inspiration"?