Yeah it cannot be said enough, but Nanae is a piece of human garbage. It's one of the main reasons why I don't watch/support seadlling. They have some great talent, but unless you are part of Nanae's clique, you aren't going to be treated well.

Has anyone explained why Mari Apache perpetually looks like she doesn't want to be there in her Stardom promos, etc?

I mean she's cutting these promos in Spanish that aren't even getting translated. I wouldn't blame her if it feels kinda pointless.

The 6 man tag with Mayu, Tam & Mari against Oedo Tai from the most recent Shinkiba show is really good, and the extended beat down section on Tam felt really cruel and sad. I'm looking forward to the tag title match at Korakuen.

I mean she's cutting these promos in Spanish that aren't even getting translated. I wouldn't blame her if it feels kinda pointless.

The 6 man tag with Mayu, Tam & Mari against Oedo Tai from the most recent Shinkiba show is really good, and the extended beat down section on Tam felt really cruel and sad. I'm looking forward to the tag title match at Korakuen.

Man, you weren't kidding. I loved how each person did it, too. Natsu's reluctance turning into grim acceptance. Hana's unhinged rage.
Kagetsu's cool all-business approach. I'm glad Kris isn't there right now, I don't think she's mean enough for what Oedo Tai is going for at the moment. That post-match felt legit as well. This angle is really good.

Natsu and Kagetsu are really taped up this week, they must be banged up.

I just started watching Stardom and had caught up on some Oedo Tai stuff. I get the general idea behind the Tam storyline, but I'm interested in when/where it started before it got to "Tam's out" and then "Time to beat up Tam"

I just started watching Stardom and had caught up on some Oedo Tai stuff. I get the general idea behind the Tam storyline, but I'm interested in when/where it started before it got to "Tam's out" and then "Time to beat up Tam"

Oedo Tai are basically hooligans and don't follow rules/rarely honor stipulations. They feud with pretty much everyone else in STARDOM, and their alumni/former member list is incredibly lengthy and has a few notable names you may know in it. (Shayna Baszler and Nikki Cross were part of it at one time)

Basically it really started to take off around that time. Oedo Tai (Hana Kimura, Sumire Natsu, Kagetsu, and Kris Wolf) and Queen's Quest (HZK, AZM, Momo Watanabe, Viper, Io Shirai) are mortal enemies pretty much. They had a 5 on 5 gauntlet match where the last person in the faction to be pinned would be forced to leave said faction. Tam was pinned by Momo (if I recall), and forced to leave Oedo Tai as a result.

After the match Tam was invited to join Queen's Quest by Io, although Mayu came out and delivered a burn to Io before running off with Tam. Now lets talk about other feuds/relationships which tie into this entire thing.

Mayu and Io are...bitter rivals to say the least. They used to be great friends (and part of one of the most dominant trio factions [Threedom, composed of Io Shirai, Mayu Iwatani, and Kairi Hojo/Sane] and tag teams [Thunder Rock, composed of Io Shirai and Mayu Iwatani] in STARDOM history), but that fell apart when Io betrayed Mayu and to a lesser extent Kairi.

Io then formed Queen's Quest as what is pretty much seen as a no nonsense faction. She strives for near perfection in her group. Her and Mayu have a bitter rivalry as a result. Originally that rivalry was supposed to end when Mayu won the red belt (as Io was preparing to leave for WWE at the time), but Io ended up returning a few weeks later after WWE pulled the contract offer (although the exact reason is unknown since Dave kept changing his story), resulting in the rivalry being rekindled.

DarkstarIV fucked around with this message at Feb 17, 2018 around 05:23

When did Tam enter the picture? I noticed she was there at AZM vs Kris Wolf but I don't think I saw her at Hana Kimura vs Kagetsu. Was she elsewhere in the company or did she come from outside to join Oedo Tai?

Over the next two months, OT takes Tam under their wing, but does not formally induct her until the 5*GP Hana/Kagetsu match. All of Oedo Tai has matches with each other, and they're all Great. Viper is also in their block, and OT vs Viper matches are good fun as well (The 5*GP ran 8/20 to 9/18).

After a while, Tam took some time off due to injuries, and became the manager of OT (introducing her panda manager P in this time). To fill the ranks, Kagetsu brought in a fifth member on 11/4: Sumire Natsu. This began a dissention storyline where Hana and Tam feel like they're being pushed out, Natsu seems more interested in attention and is using OT for her own promotion, and Kris is torn because she is but a simple wolf who's pack is fracturing. Over the next two months, Hana and Tam attack Natsu "accidentally", and eventually refuse to participate in matches and dances. Eventually, Natsu, Hana and Tam are able to mend the faction on the last show of 2017.