To me, the world around me is proof of God. The beauty in nature and the high intelligence of man.

I don't want to diminish your opinion, just stating mine; but in my opinion, it is boring to assume it was all created. I mean, god could literally have snapped with the fingers and said voila! Instead, isn't it so much more astounding to realize it all evolved on itself, that simply by following natural laws such beauty could emerge? Isn't the brain such a marvellous organ when you realize that it is not just a stupid relay station between body and soul, but actually it is you? It is your very consciousness? And all that happened naturally, without design. To me, that is the true beauty behind nature. It's almost poetry.

But independent of our opinions and likes/dislikes, it all started somehow, whether by design or not; this left traces, and reading those traces we conclude that things evolved. That conclusion does not carry any moral with it, it is neither evidence for or against an original designer. It is just observation. Science. Thus it should be taught as such.

Remember the times where you used to insult and mock all of us for trying to explain our views to you?

[quote]To me, the world around me is proof of God. The beauty in nature and the high intelligence of man.[/quote]\r\nI don't want to diminish your opinion, just stating mine; but in my opinion, it is boring to assume it was all created. I mean, god could literally have snapped with the fingers and said [i]voila[/i]! \r\nInstead, isn't it so much more astounding to realize it all evolved on itself, that simply by following natural laws such beauty could emerge? Isn't the brain such a marvellous organ when you realize that it is not just a stupid relay station between body and soul, but actually it is you? It is your very consciousness? And all that happened naturally, without design. To me, that is the true beauty behind nature. It's almost poetry. \r\n\r\nBut independent of our opinions and likes/dislikes, it all started somehow, whether by design or not; this left traces, and reading those traces we conclude that things evolved. That conclusion does not carry any moral with it, it is neither evidence for or against an original designer. It is just observation. Science. Thus it should be taught as such. \r\n\r\n[quote]Oh yeah, very mature, mocking my religious beliefs. I can't believe you guys, it's actually quite funny. Chill bro[/quote]\r\nRemember the times where you used to insult and mock all of us for trying to explain our views to you?

I don't want to diminish your opinion, just stating mine; but in my opinion, it is boring to assume it was all created. I mean, god could literally have snapped with the fingers and said voila!Instead, isn't it so much more astounding to realize it all evolved on itself, that simply by following natural laws such beauty could emerge? Isn't the brain such a marvellous organ when you realize that it is not just a stupid relay station between body and soul, but actually it is you? It is your very consciousness? And all that happened naturally, without design. To me, that is the true beauty behind nature. It's almost poetry.

The problem with the world is that they don't see the beauty of God's love to share His power with us.

Remember the times where you used to insult and mock all of us for trying to explain our views to you?

I may have insulted you, but i didn't mock your beliefs.

[i]I don't want to diminish your opinion, just stating mine; but in my opinion, it is boring to assume it was all created. I mean, god could literally have snapped with the fingers and said voila!\r\nInstead, isn't it so much more astounding to realize it all evolved on itself, that simply by following natural laws such beauty could emerge? Isn't the brain such a marvellous organ when you realize that it is not just a stupid relay station between body and soul, but actually it is you? It is your very consciousness? And all that happened naturally, without design. To me, that is the true beauty behind nature. It's almost poetry.[/i]\r\n\r\nThe problem with the world is that they don't see the beauty of God's love to share His power with us. \r\n\r\n[i]Remember the times where you used to insult and mock all of us for trying to explain our views to you?[/i]\r\n\r\nI may have insulted you, but i didn't mock your beliefs.

KnightDeclan, what are your reasons against evolution being taught in schools? That you do not believe it proven? Because we have given you evidence for it.

This is nice and all, but we're really off topic.\r\n\r\nKnightDeclan, what are your reasons against evolution being taught in schools? That you do not believe it proven? Because we have given you evidence for it.

Hey KnightDeclan, you seem to be having a rough time. That's okay, it's good for you to have your beliefs challenged. You don't know me, but I'm an old foggie and I know what's up to some degree. It's good for you to participate in these kind of talks.

Unlike many people here, I don't hate religion and actually respect your beliefs, rather than claiming I do and then attacking them no matter how off-topic the attack. Obviously we don't agree on every point, but I think this place will temper your views on many matters. You seem like a cool enough guy.

Did you know the Catholic church (i.e. the pope) more or less supports the theory of evolution? Cool huh?

Hey KnightDeclan, you seem to be having a rough time. That's okay, it's good for you to have your beliefs challenged. You don't know me, but I'm an old foggie and I know what's up to some degree. It's good for you to participate in these kind of talks.\r\n\r\nUnlike many people here, I don't hate religion and actually respect your beliefs, rather than claiming I do and then attacking them no matter how off-topic the attack. Obviously we don't agree on every point, but I think this place will temper your views on many matters. You seem like a cool enough guy.\r\n\r\nDid you know the Catholic church (i.e. the pope) more or less supports the theory of evolution? Cool huh?

Did you know the Catholic church (i.e. the pope) more or less supports the theory of evolution? Cool huh?

Not his beliefs. He think that the last few popes aren't real popes.

I don't hate religion and actually respect your beliefs, rather than claiming I do and then attacking them

I respect people, not absurd ideas. I don't hate religious people, but I greatly dislike religion in general. It adds nothing good to the world, and a lot of bad.

It's good for you to participate in these kind of talks.

Yes, and we've already seen improvement. You no longer insult us at every turn and you're participating in a discussion now, instead of only regurgitating teachings.

[quote]Did you know the Catholic church (i.e. the pope) more or less supports the theory of evolution? Cool huh?[/quote]\r\n\r\nNot his beliefs. He think that the last few popes aren't real popes. \r\n\r\n[quote] I don't hate religion and actually respect your beliefs, rather than claiming I do and then attacking them[/quote]\r\n\r\nI respect people, not absurd ideas. I don't hate religious people, but I greatly dislike religion in general. It adds nothing good to the world, and a lot of bad.\r\n\r\n[quote]It's good for you to participate in these kind of talks.[/quote]\r\n\r\nYes, and we've already seen improvement. You no longer insult us at every turn and you're participating in a discussion now, instead of only regurgitating teachings.

The problem with the world is that they don't see the beauty of God's love to share His power with us

out of curiosity, do you know how to do the quote function? it would make your "arguments" easier to get through. your god is so appealing to yourself because it is manifestation that your mind has created. in a way, he is you, which is why you find it so easy to agree with him. this character of yours isn't the same as another believers, but it is close enough that you won't cause any major disagreements with those of your faith.

I may have insulted you, but i didn't mock your beliefs.

unimportant. you insulted these wonderful people because they don't share your beliefs. it's the same as a fight-or-flight response, only on a smaller scale.

now for evolution in school: absolutely we should. school is a secular place of learning (not including private schools). for science to be ignored to spread the message of a religion (i.e. not secular at all), then school is nothing more than a church with a math class. to ignore what was written in the first amendment is to bring ruin upon the very same government foundation that kept us afloat through the civil war, WWI, WWII, and so much more. we owe it to not only ourselves, but our very species itself, to become smarter.

in fact, if we really wanted to, we could pick up space travel and have it down within a matter of decades, or even find a way to feed the earth and end disease, but only if we remove the prejudices, superstitions, and foolish notions that have kept us grounded for so long.

that is why I support evolution in school.

-Blade

[quote]The problem with the world is that they don't see the beauty of God's love to share His power with us[/quote]\r\n\r\nout of curiosity, do you know how to do the quote function? it would make your "arguments" easier to get through. your god is so appealing to yourself because it is manifestation that your mind has created. in a way, he is you, which is why you find it so easy to agree with him. this character of yours isn't the same as another believers, but it is close enough that you won't cause any major disagreements with those of your faith.\r\n\r\n[quote]I may have insulted you, but i didn't mock your beliefs.[/quote]\r\n\r\nunimportant. you insulted these wonderful people because they don't share your beliefs. it's the same as a fight-or-flight response, only on a smaller scale.\r\n\r\nnow for evolution in school: absolutely we should. school is a secular place of learning (not including private schools). for science to be ignored to spread the message of a religion (i.e. not secular at all), then school is nothing more than a church with a math class. to ignore what was written in the first amendment is to bring ruin upon the very same government foundation that kept us afloat through the civil war, WWI, WWII, and so much more. we owe it to not only ourselves, but our very species itself, to become smarter.\r\n\r\nin fact, if we really wanted to, we could pick up space travel and have it down within a matter of decades, or even find a way to feed the earth and end disease, but only if we remove the prejudices, superstitions, and foolish notions that have kept us grounded for so long.\r\n\r\nthat is why I support evolution in school.\r\n\r\n-Blade

Instead, isn't it so much more astounding to realize it all evolved on itself, that simply by following natural laws such beauty could emerge? Isn't the brain such a marvellous organ when you realize that it is not just a stupid relay station between body and soul, but actually it is you? It is your very consciousness? And all that happened naturally, without design. To me, that is the true beauty behind nature. It's almost poetry.

in fact, if we really wanted to, we could pick up space travel and have it down within a matter of decades, or even find a way to feed the earth and end disease, but only if we remove the prejudices, superstitions, and foolish notions that have kept us grounded for so long.

Most of the time when I post in these things, I'm not well informed on both sides but I'm just giving my opinion. However I like to think I have some idea about what's going on in this thread, and I fully support these statements that I've quoted.

[quote]Instead, isn't it so much more astounding to realize it all evolved on itself, that simply by following natural laws such beauty could emerge? Isn't the brain such a marvellous organ when you realize that it is not just a stupid relay station between body and soul, but actually it is you? It is your very consciousness? And all that happened naturally, without design. To me, that is the true beauty behind nature. It's almost poetry. [/quote]\r\n[quote]in fact, if we really wanted to, we could pick up space travel and have it down within a matter of decades, or even find a way to feed the earth and end disease, but only if we remove the prejudices, superstitions, and foolish notions that have kept us grounded for so long.[/quote]\r\n\r\nMost of the time when I post in these things, I'm not well informed on both sides but I'm just giving my opinion. However I like to think I have some idea about what's going on in this thread, and I fully support these statements that I've quoted.

To me, the world around me is proof of God. The beauty in nature and the high intelligence of man.

What is it about these things that can be observed and independently come to the conclusion that your God exists?

Also just pointing out the beauty in nature discount all the ugliness that's in it as well?

[quote]To me, the world around me is proof of God. The beauty in nature and the high intelligence of man.[/quote]\r\n\r\nWhat is it about these things that can be observed and independently come to the conclusion that your God exists?\r\n\r\nAlso just pointing out the beauty in nature discount all the ugliness that's in it as well?

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