BUT, what about accuracy? In a high stress situation where you're blowing off a crapload of rounds, is premium ammo going to do you any good? Just wondering

When I said this, I was imagining possibly being overrun by a group of people. Close range, very high stress. Is your training going to slow you down and make every shot count? I don't know. I have never been there. Hope I never am.

As far as bugging out goes......Can I assume that most of the people who talk about this are city or heavy urban dwellers? I also imagine that those people will be leaving their residences, and looking for somewhere less populated. Like where? Around here, there is not really any sparsely populated land to speak of. You could probably bet that those couple areas will be closely guarded. And, if all of the people in the nearby cities come here, it will no longer be sparsely populated. I think it's safe to assume that you will not be the only one with your sights set on a piece of land.....or on the animals that inhabit it.

So for me, staying here would probably be it. We live in a semi-rural area. everything we have & need is here. (For now) I see no benefit to going out into the woods, and still having neighbors. If i lived in the city, my opinion would probably be more like "I'm screwed." The bigger the city, the more screwed.

And, who says cars will still be a viable mode of transportation? They need fuel, and a clear road. Would no one think to set up "tolls", or an ambush maybe?

When I said this, I was imagining possibly being overrun by a group of people. Close range, very high stress. Is your training going to slow you down and make every shot count? I don't know. I have never been there. Hope I never am.

That's when when you have to remember that making every shot count is especially important. If you miss in that situation you are in trouble. I don't think training would prepare you for that, but experience would. Very few of us have that sort of experience, but you can still gain a lot of experience hunting. While hunting you learn that if you don't make the shot count you don't go home with meat in the freezer. The more you need meat in the freezer the more pressure you have to get something.

That's when when you have to remember that making every shot count is especially important. If you miss in that situation you are in trouble. I don't think training would prepare you for that, but experience would. Very few of us have that sort of experience, but you can still gain a lot of experience hunting. While hunting you learn that if you don't make the shot count you don't go home with meat in the freezer. The more you need meat in the freezer the more pressure you have to get something.

I have a little bit different perspective on training vs. experience. Practical training, meaning getting off the bench, shooting multi position as well as slow, timed and rapid fire, competition, three-gun, IPSC, etc. builds muscle memory. At some point you don't think about what u r doing -- it just sorta happens.

When u r lookng BACK at your shooting performance u will know u have arrived Grasshopper...

I have a little bit different perspective on training vs. experience. Practical training, meaning getting off the bench, shooting multi position as well as slow, timed and rapid fire, competition, three-gun, IPSC, etc. builds muscle memory. At some point you don't think about what u r doing -- it just sorta happens.

When u r lookng BACK at your shooting performance u will know u have arrived Grasshopper...

I agree. I've never been in a shoot out. But I've wrestled and competed in Brazilian ju jitsu. I'm talking about getting nervous, days before the competition, then nerve wracked, the day of... Stepping into a mat and seeing all your peers around you, watching. Cameras filming. You want to puke. Then it starts and BOOM! Your training takes over, you revert back to muscle memory and its over.
They say you revert back to your lowest level of training when you experience adrenal dump, and your 02 levels drop from physical exertion, so always train the basics, and train until you can't get it wrong.

I have to say I agree.

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i think best to have a .22/.22 mag for hunting i have both i perfer a .223 and a 12 guage buckshot for protection my handgun and buck knive for close fighting my other notiion why people so wary on listing what guns ammo they have who are you scared of and why are you scared? is this not still AMERICA? i should not have to hide anythang if i want to list what guns and ammo i have is fine do i have to do it exactly to what i have no if i have to live in fear of big brother coming to take whats mine id rather die trien to take a few of the basterds with me then living in fear LIBERTY OR DEATH!