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Comment by Thrakin

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Comment by Paramount

Does this really drop in lightning halls or is it a halls of stone drop?

I've heard conflicting reports and I've ran lightning halls so much that I'm blue in the face.

Comment by aikouka

Yes, as this dropped off Loken for my group the other day.

Comment by jellegaard

the word "pantheon" is now a generic term applied to a monument in which illustrious dead are buried.

You're right on it also being a building in Rome ( and several other places for that matter), one that I have visited due to it's unique dome construction being of interest to an engineer during his studies.

The word pantheon however does NOT mean a building in which dead are buried, no matter now illustrious they might have been.

Pantheon is used to denote a collection of gods such as the Roman Pantheon ( as the old roman gods with Jupiter being the "king of the gods" ) or the Greek Pantheon ( with Zeus in the same position).

Pantheons exits for every polytheistic faith or religion, though not all name their gods as such.

Quoted from Wikipedia since it's the best source I could find on short notice.

Pantheon (gods), a word used to describe the set of gods of a particular religion, mythology, or fictional universe A temple, dedicated to all gods, or to all the gods of a given religion Pantheon, Rome, a temple built (in its present form) circa 125 AD, and dedicated to all the Roman gods, now used as a Christian church

Comment by lerex09

The word pantheon however does NOT mean a building in which dead are buried, no matter now illustrious they might have been.

Dainer09 was correct in saying that the term pantheon is applied to which dead are burried.

The generic term pantheon is now applied to a monument in which illustrious dead are buried.

Comment by Magh

This entire disagreement is a moot point. Pantheon, as it is referred to in the name of this item, refers to the Titan High Council, of which Sargeras once belonged to.

Comment by Cromor

Does this drop on Heroic? or only on Normal mode?

Comment by dainer09

Well, after some testing on my prot warrior with 3/3 Armor to the Teeth, The use effect does not grant any extra attack power from the talent. Wether this is a bug or not, it was a big disappointment for me after having found out. I figured along with the extra mitigation, it might provide a little extra TPS.

edit: Cromor, I recieved mine in normal.

Comment by Gorehoff

It's not a bug, as according to Blizzard, its working as intended. The reason is effects like Armored to the teeth are based on a server side armor stat update which happens every 15 or 20 seconds where the server checks your armor and recalculates any buffs you get from that. If you pop the trinket and get lucky with the server side armor update right after you use the trinket you will get the increased attack power until the server checks your armor again.

Comment by Aross

Are there any other decent tanking trinkets in all of Northrend that don't come from a raid or heroic?

Comment by darkkeijp

nope not a single one. On my DK im still tanking with starter parry trinket and a critrating trinket -_-

Comment by maninthebox

There are three decent crafted tanking trinkets:

For alchemists, the indestructible alchemist stone isn't half bad. Its got a ton of stamina as well as a nice effect, considering we can only use one pot in a fight now.

Comment by Orlok3105

And since gaining uncrittable status for warrior became more challenging in WotLK, I think this trinket is an absolute must have for plate wearing tank (at least - for warrior).

I'm guessing it will be usable until T8 10/25.

Edited: Thanks to jestercow for correction.

Comment by phoiz

This seems reasonable..

/uprate

Comment by lacrimosa

Since Blizzard didn't, I will provide fair warning that this Trinket has an absolutely abysmal drop rate. I've run reg Halls of Lightning at least 20 times just for this trinket and I haven't seen it drop. I haven't seen it on anyone and nobody I know has seen it drop. I've seen everything else that this boss drops at least three times (he drops two blues) but never this trinket. Earlier today there were six tanks in LFG for regular Halls of Lightning, I asked them all and yes they were all going for this.

There are blue posts clearly stating that Blizzard was disappointed that nobody gemmed for Defense in TBC, and so they made sure that getting the Defense cap would be harder or impossible to do without gems and/or enchants. They did not mention that this trinket would have a drop rate roughly equal to your chances of getting the Warglaives off of Illidan in two consecutive runs, but I'm sure it was implied when they said that they wanted Defense rating to be harder to max.

Comment by TheDood

Drops in both...

Comment by canadiantemplar

Since Blizzard didn't, I will provide fair warning that this Trinket has an absolutely abysmal drop rate. I've run reg Halls of Lightning at least 20 times just for this trinket and I haven't seen it drop. I haven't seen it on anyone and nobody I know has seen it drop. I've seen everything else that this boss drops at least three times (he drops two blues) but never this trinket. Earlier today there were six tanks in LFG for regular Halls of Lightning, I asked them all and yes they were all going for this.

There are blue posts clearly stating that Blizzard was disappointed that nobody gemmed for Defense in TBC, and so they made sure that getting the Defense cap would be harder or impossible to do without gems and/or enchants. They did not mention that this trinket would have a drop rate roughly equal to your chances of getting the Warglaives off of Illidan in two consecutive runs, but I'm sure it was implied when they said that they wanted Defense rating to be harder to max.

Anecdote is not the singular of data.

The Seal of the Pantheon doesn't drop any more or less than anything else on Normal Loken's drop table. He drops eight items, two at a time, and from what it looks like they're all drop at more or less the same frequency. That means that for any given Loken kill, you have a 25% chance to get your trinket. And while it's certainly unlikely, going 20 runs without seeing your Seal is absolutely possible; in fact, about 1 in 315 people will have the same thing happen to them.

Comment by bobsod

30 runs so far, no trinket -_-

Comment by nejohnson

Saw it drop the first time I killed him. I was dpsing on my DK and really wanted it, but passed it to the warrior because he was the tank for the run. (loot ethics /gasp)

Comment by Toloran

Dropped for me the first time I ran the instance. Oddly enough, I'm a DK too XD Maybe it only has a high drop rate for DKs?

Zomg blizz favoritism lolroflbbq.

Just goes to show, the Random Number Generate really IS random.

Comment by canadiantemplar

Your math is a bit off.

If he drops 8 items at a 1/8 chance each, 2 at a time, there are 28 combinations that can occur (since you can't get two of the same drop). 6 of these combinations contain any one given item, in this case the Seal.

So there is a 6/28 = 21.4% chance of a set of items containing the seal dropping.

Except there's seven possible combinations in which any given item will appear, which makes the drop chance 7/28, or 25%. An easier way of calculating it is determining the chance that the item you want won't drop:

There's a 7/8 chance of not getting your Seal of the Pantheon for your first item. There's a 6/7 chance of not getting your Seal of the Pantheon for your second item.

(7 / 8) * (6 / 7) = (42 / 56) = 75%

So if there's a 75% chance that you won't get your Seal of the Pantheon, there's consequently a 25% chance that it will drop.

Comment by xythian

For profession-less or profession-hampered DKs out there, the http://www.wowhead.com/?item=27891 is easily farmed solo at 80 and provides ~6 def skill. When combined with the Seal of the Pantheon you can squeeze ~20 def skill out of trinkets.

The only realistic way to push the number higher is to make a profession item or raid Naxx so it may be worth the effort to grab the figurine if you're looking for that last few defense skill before the 535 or 540 caps.

Comment by Globalplayboy

Can somebody confirm this drops in Heroic too? Thanks (you can purge it afterwards)

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Comment by SweeneyToddRT

Dabiri's Enigma is worth grabbing in this situation as well - the on-use ability is useless to Death Knights, but hey, it's Defense in a trinket slot and trivial to solo.

Comment by Dredmon

It's not a bug, as according to Blizzard, its working as intended. The reason is effects like Armored to the teeth are based on a server side armor stat update which happens every 15 or 20 seconds where the server checks your armor and recalculates any buffs you get from that. If you pop the trinket and get lucky with the server side armor update right after you use the trinket you will get the increased attack power until the server checks your armor again.

Although I don't disagree with your post... I do think Blizzard needs to fix this. If a mage can use a trinket and wtfpwnbbq everything, and a healer can use a trinket and wtfpwnheal everything, then a warrior should be able to use a trinket and wtfpwntank stuff.

Comment by johnpatrik

actually, a GM told me that the effect of and only works on the base armor. He said i does not gain improvment with spell such frost presence and devotion aura

Comment by sircowdog

23 runs in normal HoL and this trinket STILL hasn't dropped for me. I don't care what all your maths say about this droprate, it's complete garbage!

Comment by Apxika

I agree with sircowdog. As a hybrid death knight tank, I have ran this instance close to 30 times and have not seen it drop yet. They say the drop rate is 22%, well I can easily say that is wrong or I am just very unlucky. If this trinket wasn't that helpful, along with the trinket from Heroic Azjol-Nerub, I would most definitely not bother running the instance over 4-5 times.

Comment by object

I have done nothing in the past 4 days but run this instance. I have at least 30-40 runs and it has not dropped. It is not a 20% drop chance.

Edit: It finally dropped for me. Definitely not a 20% drop.

Comment by birrd

Comparison of the avoidance trinkets currently available in Wrath.

On-use effects are not part of this comparison.

Diminishing returns are not factored in.

There are technical differences in dodging, parrying or being missed but I'm leaving that out and only considering the avoidance gains provided by these stats.

Comment by force303

Somehow when I equip a Sonic Booster then equip this one back on, I'm getting double the defense bonus. Its weird, if I change any other equips, or go through a load my def goes back down to normal, but when I switch this one out with Sonic Booster I don't lose the defense bonus, then when I re-equip this trinket I get the 65 def again.

I think maybe it is just a display error, also, It only works with the Sonic Booster, I've tried every other trinket I have.

Comment by Crocxr8

Although I don't disagree with your post... I do think Blizzard needs to fix this. If a mage can use a trinket and wtfpwnbbq everything, and a healer can use a trinket and wtfpwnheal everything, then a warrior should be able to use a trinket and wtfpwntank stuff.

Except the extra ~60 AP isnt exactly going to make you wtfpwntank stuff

Edit again: If what Gorehoff says above is correct, then the server only has to check you while you have the increased armour buff, and you will receive the full AP from the talent until the server rechecks, which is 20seconds, so you are still getting the full AP benefit for whatever its worth, the timing may just be a bit off.

Comment by Apolladan

Got this on my first kill. That's how statistics average out. For every person running this 20 times, there is one that get it on his first try. I've had bad luck with other drops. Great trinket for a prot warrior.

Comment by Oakhoof

Keep farming that damned boss, eventually it'll drop! (got mine after 9 full runs and a good number of aborted runs at the last boss due to terribad pugs)

Pug life ain't ez you know ;)

Comment by Valkyre

Over 20 runs and still no drop this place is driving me crazy. I cannot stand doing HoL and I guarantee once I get this I will NEVER come back again.

Comment by Lawthorne

20% drop rate my ass.. I'm up to 16 runs for it, no trinket..

Comment by TofuKid

This is a great trinket for any tanks, especially DKs since they have a harder time hitting the cap.

It took me 9 runs to get it, though I'm not complaining since I just used that time to farm rep lol, so good luck to all those tanks out there that are trying to get this trinket.

Comment by Sacella

Regarding farming the Adamantine Figurine from Shadow Labs:

If you are a Night Elf DK you don't have to clear a single mob in that room to farm this trinket. I found out, by happy accident I might add, that the following works if you are soloing it:

Get your ghoul out, attack Blackheart, Shadowmeld to drop aggro, when you see trash run back you quickly hit Blackheart again. For some reason, trash will reset but not Blackheart since he has your ghoul in range. Unless there is some logic behind this that I fail to see, this is most likely a bug that will eventually be fixed, but it certainly speeds up farming that trinket! (I was lucky and got it 2nd kill.)

NB: I doubt Ghoul Mastery will affect this, but it might be worth adding that I had it talented when I did the above.

Many boss fights have certain moments--Anub'Rekhan's Locust Swarm, Patchwerk's 5% soft enrage, or Maexxna's <30% web wrap--when incoming damage suddenly skyrockets. The more panic buttons a tank has for those moments, the better. As a paladin I have exactly one. This gives me another.

Essence is wonderful, too, but only for the stamina contribution. Anyone relying on a 2% random proc to actually save himself during the tough moments of any boss fight is fooling himself.

Comment by Torri

This is lovely trinket for fresh tanks

Comment by marineman001

Haven't seen it in any of the other comments on this page but: This trinket does not share a cooldown with Adamantine Figurine.

By combining the two together you get 97 total def rating (32+65), and an on use of 4850 armor. (1280+3570).

Comment by dmbardal

As a prot paladin, this one is a must (pre10\25 atleast.)to not having to use +def gems and enchants.

I have still not seen it drop, and I have taken allmost 30 runs now on 4 days.Starting to get a bit annoyed. :)

GL to everyone else. I will edit this post when I get it, because I'm not giving up.

Edit: 32\33 runs and I finally got it.Funny thing tho, I asked the GM if it really dropped in HoL from Loken (just for making sure.)And he\she said 'hope it drops for you now;)' along with confirming that it does in fact drop from Loken in HoL.And the same run, it dropped. :)

Comment by Moominator

3 hours straight farming for this trinket, no luck. Gonna get the trinket from sl normal until next tries for this trinket. need to be very lucky to have it drop appearently.

Comment by Marimalino

Very good tank trinket... To bad it has low drop Rate.

Comment by jinzy

i ran normal hol 11 times and it has not dropped once

Comment by XOmniverse

I don't know why people downrate these posts. I'm having the exact same issue.I just ran it twice this morning with no drop. I've probably run it a dozen times trying to get it.

Evidently I am exceptionally unlucky if the drop rate posted on wowhead is correct.

Comment by typ0

Random is RANDOM, jeez.

Comment by Rakydae

This thing just dropped for my druid tank (was still using green DPS trinkets), and then to my amezement, a hunter needs on it and wins the roll. I just dont get it, he didnt ninja anything at all for the entire run, just this trinket thats useless to him :/ That guy got a place on my blacklist (first so far, im not to keen on blacklisting people). I just hope it drops again....

Comment by CKaz

I feel for ya man, that sucks =bI'm just about to throw myself in the PUG grinder for this, myself

Comment by endall77

I have run halls of lightning about 13 times in the realm madoran and it has only dropped once. To make it worse, a DK (Infidelis) need rolled on it even though he could not use and won the roll. To say it drops 19% is just bad math!

Comment by endall77

You are wrong my friend. I have run the dungeon 13 times and the healm and necklace continue to drop over and over again!

Comment by Desi

Whatever , it droped for me in normal mode allthough i dont need def rating that much as a feral druid tank, since there wasnt any plate wearing player it was mine. But i still like the oh sh*t button on it ^^

Comment by Mordigan

Finally had this drop for me today in a very friendly and sympathetic pug. I had been running HoL at least 10x over the last few days and just about cried when it dropped. Ironically, I did a 2nd run with the same group and it dropped again!

The greatest use for this trinket, in my opinion, is for tanks who have already reached the defense cap with blues and want to start equipping epics. It surprises me how little defense the purples have, and this trinket allows you to swap a purple for a blue and stay above the cap.

Also, for DK tanks like me, the armor pop is a nice bonus if you have Bladed Armor for the temporary attack power increase (in addition to the trinket's armor toward mitigation).

All in all, a very useful trinket for the cap and pop, but especially to help swap out and gear your purples.

Comment by ultradark

paladin and warrior trinket, and crazy shaman

Comment by zia196

If your not wearing plate, please don`t tank. I`m still using this trinket as I am running through Ulduar 10 and Ulduar 25! Repelling Charge just doesn`t drop.

Comment by tallarin

BiS for plate wearing tanks 78-79. If you are a tank grinding in hopes of this dropping make sure a DK isn't gonna roll need on it if it drops.