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@CigarGod. how Gaza "is a Warsaw Ghetto"? Have you ever tried any serious comparison? For example, level of obesity among children? Number of swimming-pools and five star restaurants per 100,000 inhabitants? The number of trucks arriving with goods each day? And oh, yes, the number of missiles lobbed from either Gaza v Warsaw Ghetto on civilians from the other side?

I didn't see some key information in the article above. The fact that the "settler's" car was blocked by an ambulance (!) that clearly tried to block his escape path, that the car of the "settler" was pelted with rocks by a mob that wud have lynched him if an army jeep wouldn't have arrived and that the "candy" so distributed was the humble "Tortit", so beloved by Marwan Barghouti that he eats it in his dark cell hiding in the toilette. Why wasn't this information brought to the readers?

You write that "the demand to recognize Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish State is central to Israel’s demand for legitimacy as an Apartheid state." would you be intellectually honest and extend the same logic to all Arab and many Muslim states that for example have "Islamic Republic" in their name?

Beating up innocent people is definitely wrong. But what exactly to you mean by "Palestinians which come near their meeting"? Why do these Palestinians "come near"? Why dance around it? They are at best protesters (OK) and most probably provocateurs (not OK), so why not say that?

Dancing around, are we, Allison? How innocent can we be? A good American family from North Carolina decides to spend four days that, blimey, coincide with AIPAC in DC! and then, the Zio thugs descend on your average American father and beat him up!

So what is the most likely scenario? The all-American family is most likely a garden-variety of Anti-Israeli provocateurs, ensconced in the safety and welfare of a liberal Western democracy while engaging in anti-Israeli activism.

if the duplicitous organisation calling itself "the Fund for New Israel" is "Zionist", then Quizzing was a raving patriot. The NIF is a "fifth column" organization, the operation of which can only happen in a liberal, free country such as Israel. Any "mirror" organisation a few km east from where she was detained would have been, at the best, kicked-out within a day. Only in a madly liberal country such as Israel, licensed-traitors such as Breaking the Silence, B'Tselem and their enablers/financiers such as the FfNI (Fund for New Israel - "It's Israel Jim, but not as we know it") can operate without their people being murdered within a day. Only in Israel, ask your very own Allison Deger.

@diaspora, please don't insult me first. Secondly, be precise in your comments - "Um el Khiran" isn't "Palestinian". Wikipedia defines it as a "Bedouin village". Since when Bedouins "Palestinians"? Perhaps since 1964 - the year that the "Palestinian" nation was invented (please explain why the GA resolution of 1947 didn't partition the Land of Israel into a Jewish state and "Palestinian" state, then we will talk).

I get it, "Palestinians" are those who want to vanquish any non-Muslim sovereignty in the Middle East! So count-in not only the Bedouins but also the Sudanese and Somali migrants, etc - Coullounah Palestiniyun" (sorry, Falastiniyun - the only 'nation' in the world that can't pronounce its own historic name properly, LoL!)

@talknic - by your logic, the Holocaust must still continuing right now. Alternatively, the "genocide" of the faux-nation that can't even properly pronounce the original name of their land as an example, by your logic, has ended many years ago.

I'm not sure that my response will be published, I guess that my logic began to overwhelm the monderators.

However, that doesn't mean that you guys, the frequenters of Mondoweiss aren't pathologically obsesses with Israel. I from my side can't fault even a Muslim terrorist who murders a 2 year old girl in her sleep for trying to defend himself when Zahal comes to pluck him from his hideout. I can understand him, even if I wish he'd never see the light of day.

But you here, try to bring logical arguments why I shud roll over and die, why I shud not care about surviving just because in your opinion I took over a piece of Dar el Islam? Your obsession blinds you to basic logic.

- a crowd of Muslims shrieking "Itbakh el-Yahood", in the 'time-honoured' 1929, 1936, etc fashion;
- a Muslim with a knife plunging cowardly from the back into my neck;
- a Muslim yelling "Allah hu akbar" and pulling the string of a nail-filled bomb in a Sbarro restaurant, full of mothers and children
- a Muslim nuclear bomb in the hands of the Mullahs that sent the young sons (of others) to clear minefields with their feet and who believe in the apocalyptic war to reveal the Mahdi and who, foam around their mouth chant "death to America, death to Israel" and who said not once that Israel "shud be wiped from the face of the earth".

That's what I fear. You may not like me, but if you are a sane and fair person, you must accept that at the least, I think and behave rationally, in the modern (one wud say "Western") meaning of this word.

How about dozens of attacks on Jewish civilians? Violent resistance may be justified, but you can't be genuine to claim that military response within the laws of war to any resistance isn't justified - this simply can't be genuine.

OMG, the bloodthirsty regime allowed a whole delegation of the oppressed ones to travel to the Olympics, to represent the non-existent State of Palestine?

There are swimming pools in the water-starved oppressed occupation riven areas (though not 50 meters!!!)

What is the wolrd coming to??!! Very soon, someone will stand up and say: hey, these people aren't oppressed anywhere near the people of Syria, Libya, Iraq, Lebanon, why have we been paying so much attention (and money) here?

@Shingo: "thought you Zios argued the Palestinians were being inhumane and unreasonable for welcoming hordes of Jewish immigrants and refugees from Europe into Palestine" By "welcoming", you mean the 1929 Hebron massacres? 1936 pogroms? Countless other attacks and lust for Jewish blood? This is "welcoming" for you?

"And yet the same country would barely last a day without Gentiles propping them up."

I wouldn't bet on this. Who exactly is "propping" us up? Anti-JudeoChristian civilisation Marxsist in the White House? The neo-commies in Brussels that care more about a conservatory-extension in Gilo then the cultural suicide by Merkel by inviting hordes of Muslim invaders? Is it the new Muslim lover in Ottawa?

Doesn't it give you a cognitive dissonance? the blood-thirsty, all-darkness and unfair Zio-regime indicts the blackest of them-all - the "settlers" in a hate crime, tortures them, etc. and all for what?! For murdering Arabs! What is the world coming to?!

@Mooser, (pls note that I don't try to mock your alias), have you read Bernstein's article? Where exactly, Bernstein says anything other than a level headed analysis? You may feel the hatred of Israel and any successful Judeo-Christian civilization burning in your guts but it does seem to blind you (intellectually, that is), same as it does to Mr Weiss.

It is a challenge to be challenged by so many commenters who live to see the demise of Israel. (que: new attack line!) But even Annie and others use the a straw man technique. My original comment was responding to talknic about the fact that there isnt much "article" here. The fact that Israelis shout "death to Arabs" on the streets of Israel, doesnt disprove my original comment and I cant see any comment here, out of so many, that does - except building straw-men and shooting them.

What's there "to read"? I made the effort to compare Bibi's speach quotes and the "article". 83% Bibi and 17% "Wow look what bibi says "[more quotes from Bibi]"".

Oh yes, and there is something that the writer "doesnt understand" - "I don’t understand why this type of rhetoric doesn’t make huge headlines" and allusion to another article that equates Israel with Fascism.

Lysias, thanks for the precise description of what is often (and intentionally misleading) called "1967 borders" - the correct term is indeed "armistice line" and there should not be any other meaning. And Gaza isn't occupied by Israel since 2005.

@Amigo, one last question. Given your comment about allowing us to live inside "self-declared 1948 borders", do you therefore agree that if "we" retreat to the 1948 lines, you, Amigo, will hold any further claims of Arabs (especially, the so called "right of return") cancelled and conflict end?

@Talknic - "Palestinians are building in Palestinian territory. The illegal Israeli settlements are not in Israeli territory." So, you are, by implication agree that if Israel withdraws to 1948 Armistice Lines, the conflict will be over and Arabs will have no more demands (including the so called "right of return") to Israel. If yes, then it is indeed a reasonable position which is unbecoming someone who types rude such as the comment that I am replying-to. If you don't agree, then your position is disingenuous, isn't it?

@Amigo: who exactly are my (or our) "illegal squatter thieves", where is "wherever you came from" and what if we don't want to go there?

we have a clear shot with the position of the parties (Abu Ein, the policemen) and hardware (the Jeep).

You claim that Israelis attacked Abu Ein, because for you Israel is always guilty, and to prove your position you deduce that the policemen "approached" Abu Ein (otherwise, the narrative that Abu Ein was "murdered" while peacefully minding his protest doesn't hold.

On the other side, I don't need to prove that Israel is always right (I can admit that it sometimes is wrong) and looking at the photo I deduce that it is not possible that the policemen "approached" Abu Ein unless the Jeep travelled sideways and that it is Abu Ein and the photo depicts a scene where the policemen are trying to block Abu Ein's advance and then Abu Ein and other protesters that are pushing the policemen towards the Jeep, trying to get their intended planting site.

One of us is "conceptually challenged" and has their logic blocked by ideology.

@talknic - the scene is clear, Abu Ein and other protesters attempted to go somewhere (they admitted it themselves, the aim of the protest was to plant trees as close as possible to a Jewish settlement). On their way, the protesters came-up to a police Jeep that was positioned there to prevent their passage. Whatever one believes about the legality of Jewish presence, etc, the version promoted by locals (ie Mondoweiss commenters) of an assault by Jews on Abu Ein cant be right, at least judging from THIS photo. The version promoted here is that the Jewish policemen "approached" Abu Ein. In order to "approach" Abu Ein with a Jeep behind them as it is in the photo, the Jeep must have travelled sideways. Can you explain it otherwise, Talknic?

"Israel continues to build in the settlements, which is perhaps the most unilateral move imaginable.”

Palestinians build settlements too, both in Judea and Samaria and within the 1948 Armistice lines, is it not "unilateral"?

But this isn't relevant at all, both ways, after all, there is a signed agreement - the so called "Oslo" agreement, signed by both sides - there is no preclusion in this agreement from Israel building "settlements" and from the Arabs building "settlements". Why is it a problem rather tan an excuse by the Arab side, after it received everything from Oslo agreements and isn't ready to negotiate the end of the conflict?

Annie, indeed, some people are conceptually challenged. For someone challenged like me, pls can you provide a plausible scenario on how did the "occupation forces" made their way to the position in the photo after "transporting themselves in the vehicle and getting out of the vehicle to block the path of the marchers"? Conceptually challenged as I am, due to the fact that there is less than a meter of space between the Jeep and Abu Ein, I can only see the soldiers "approaching" Abu Ein in a crab-like fashion. Or perhaps, they jumped from the Jeeps' roof? Which is it, Annie. Please explain. We have to be precise with these things for the "conceptually challenged", you know.

"Israel,s infamous kangaroo courts". Amigo, have you read the case documents in which Abu Ein was convicted or you are just talking out of pathos? Have you read ANY court verdicts from Israel on relevant cases? If yes, surely, it will be easy for you to give a supported example of the courts' "kangaroo-ness"! Pls, indulge us, Amigo.

"soldiers approached Abu Ein and a group of Palestinians. At that point a soldier struck Abu Ein in the chest with the back end of his weapon, according to statements Yesh Din"

On the main photo the Israeli police Jeep is clearly immediately behind the policemen, their backs are pushed to the vehicle. So unless the policemen were "approaching" Abu Ein and the Palestinians walking in reverse, I cant see how the statement above makes sense.

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