Most of the confusion is coming from people not knowing exactly what is on the black list. The above thread shows this once again. It was never clearly stated, and how can it be unless this is a notice 'read and agree' you should click on when entering the forum.

zj

it seems indeed like the ice is melting

Aron wrote Today at 20:36:53>Contributors who have asked for their stuff NOT to be posted ... from memory :Zvex but minus the SHOTon - all his newer EH designs

>MI AudioThe "Klon" guyCrowthers Hotcake etc

Klon and Crowther have never talked to me. AFAIK, there is no verified Klon schematic anywhere and the HotCake is around. It was posted on AMPAGE long ago.

>Seems to me that the only way is to agree to not post things that are REQUESTED to not be posted and thisis at the discression of aron and peter ....... doesn't make it "fair" though at all in my book icon_rolleyes

in fact, I don't see how posting a schematic that is not named and has no controls named can affect the original maker. People will see a distortion as what it really is, a modded tube screamer or modded fuzz face etc...

This much I do know, it is very, very wrong to not allow this hobby to study circuits. It's just like music - what if you weren't allowed to study the music you listen to?

--------------------31-08-2007

There's a complete list at last apparently. Now it even includes out of production boxes???

A good post Modman I have always admired Aron for his work and store etc.
He has a vested interest in his DIY site, as he has stated to me in his correspondence - I don't see any problem with that!
I do feel he opened a MASSIVE can of worms when he started the " when did it become bad...." thread though.
However his recent posts clearly show that he is seeing who the real insulters are He has invited me back to post, but I would far rather post here for the present Long live this site
Steve

Still, I don't like Teese's attitude of particupating in the forum to spread more wah dust in people's eyes while, when being asked about particulars, point to RG's article he could not write himself. Does RG's article do anything but kill the myth.

Or is Teese having these early 'faulty' inductor coils reproduced? That is RG ultimate suggestion for mojo.

You can make very authenic reproduction wahs, but he says "if someone other uses that type of component, I have to use another" while at the same time claiming to have extraordianry hearing and base all decisions on that, is in my view a bit conflicting.

Which reminds me of a friend who broke a 200 EUR Roland wah in two months, then bought the Real McCoy, which is broken after 4 months. And he's such a careful fellow.

ZJ

"The whole point of diy is diy. It's not dsoiyathodtr - do some of it yourself and then have others do the rest" (paulc)

Hmm... I have my Jen Double-Sound now since more than two years, and my Bespeco Weeper since more than one month and they are still in a perfect condition.... Ahhhh.... yes, I never really used them.... For what i should ? I can´t play guitar, I even don´t have a guitar...

I don't understand why Teese is so secretive about the design of his wah. I read his posts and it sounds like his wah uses "special" components that only he produces. That means, if someone tried to copy it, he would be unsuccessful because it can't be a "Real McCoy" without the special Teese parts. Since no one else can get the parts, what is he worried about?

What makes his wah special anyway? I have an old old Vox V846 wah, and it sounds nice, but it's not anything I'd get too excited over. I don't believe there are any "holy grail" pedals. I generally put effect pedals into two categories: ones that sound Good, and ones that sound Bad. Why this obsession with cloning something?

Teese wahs - 10% mojo, 90% b*llshit One day, I may just expose these myths - in the meantime , I would suggest reading R.G. Keen's "the technology of the wah wah pedal" article.
In my experience, getting a good wah sound ( which is completely subjective ), involves using the BEST quality capacitors in the feedback loop, a NON POLARISED high quality capacitor for the 100k bypass, AND a DIGITAL multimeter that can accurately read capacitance and inductance, so you can TUNE the circuit for thae correct sweep range, which is usually 2 octaves with the "standard" wah circuit.
The pot is important to a lesser extent - because the rack and pinion gear system only works over approximately 200 degrees, a standard 100k lin or log pot is NOT ideal - although I have used them in the past and never had any complaints!!!
More later Cheers
Steve

The teese stuff was out before most of the web stuff even started IIRC.

It seems some don't know the history of effect sites on the web and companies that were selling before or early in the web days. I wish I wrote notes now. The early stuff was lepers, geofex, dmz, ampage, plate to plate from what I remember 95 96 is when I started surfing the web.

in the USA there is a saying "just because you can does not mean you should"

You can do/post what you want but think about this what if you did this for a living and you were not a newtweeker cloner. Or say you start a company building effects and you go to a show do you want all the other companies to not like you or maybe they will reverse your effect and put it on the web for the newtweekers/cloners.

gus wrote:in the USA there is a saying "just because you can does not mean you should"

You can do/post what you want but think about this what if you did this for a living and you were not a newtweeker cloner. Or say you start a company building effects and you go to a show do you want all the other companies to not like you or maybe they will reverse your effect and put it on the web for the newtweekers/cloners.

Personally, I'm not even vaguely interested in that exact configuration that makes up Teese's wah or the Centaur. But I do want to try out whatever to customize my own wah to me likings.

Teese does proclaims a lot about the orginality of his pedal. No coincidence that the name 'The Real McCoy' refers to 'catholic priests' (against all the rest). He has original components made, so we doesn't have to goop up the circuit. Attributing all the mojo to those components (pot, transistor, inductor), is a bit too much for a scientific mind:

RG's The Technology of the Wah wrote:I saw no differences at first with tiny sine wave drives. It wasn't until I turned the generator up that differences appeared. The Crybaby inductor performed exactly as I would have expected it to. That is, it had an output that was essentially a pure sine wave right up until the sine was big enough or lowe enough in frequency to start it into the first touches of saturation. When that started, I got precisely what theory predicts: appearance of the third harmonic of the dirve waveform, followed by fifth, and finally a touch of seventh when I really pushed it. However, when I did the same to the Fasel inductor, the onset of saturation-generated harmonics happened a bit sooner, and a second harmonic appeared with the third! As I turned the drive up, the fourth rose with the fifth, and I never got a seventh harmonic. The inductor, all by itself was clipping asymmetrically.

I queried some older and wiser EE's who have spent a career on magnetics. We came to the conclusion that the only way this could happen was if the inductor core had some kind of magnetic offset in it, so one polarity of the waveform saturated earlier than the other. However, none of them had ever seen this in a signal inductor like the ones I was testing. The only good explanation was that the inductor core itself was carrying a magnetic offset, a whiff of permanent magnetism. This was mildly astonishing because that is something that linear ferrite cores are explicitly designed NOT to do

I think that's all there is to it. Teese himself refers to the article. If you have inductors made like this, they will sound indeed like no other wah.

No offense to anyone but if you run such a vulnerable business nowadays you should really anticipate the internet in your business plan. Few other electronics projects nowadays the specs and particulars are secret - in analog circuits. This is in fact still wayward technology. Only diy-ers keep the old ge transistor market alive, which is some sign.

Modern companies embrace the internet -- just as a meeting ground with their customers. Look at Seymour Duncan forum eg. It's not like he's scared of diy pickup winders, advice galore. If you want to make it as a boutique pickup winder, go right ahead.

If Teese would really want to make money, he should put his custom made inductors on the market for $50 a piece or something. Then set up a support forum about customizing wahs. It's going to go diy anyway, why not cash in on it? It's being the first or you're out.

I seem to discern a general trend on the Amz website. Initially, all the info was for sale. Only very interested people bought it, a.o. Fulltone. Because the circuits were hidden from the public eye, it was easier for this to go unnoticed. Now the most important schematics are publicly available at the website and the diy community well alive, this is not so easy anymore. So, if you're on the minibooster page, do Jack a favor and click all the google adds, so he makes some money without you having to pay.

but everybody's entitle to a different opinion. of course

"The whole point of diy is diy. It's not dsoiyathodtr - do some of it yourself and then have others do the rest" (paulc)