In Episode 10: Host Leif Utne interviews futurist Jerry Michalski about what we can learn from heretics. Michalski is working on a book about notable outsiders -- like architect Christopher Alexander, child psychologist Alice Miller, teacher John Taylor Gatto, and others -- all of whom were ostracized by their professional peers for challenging conventional wisdom, yet were later recognized for their groundbreaking contributions to their fields. The working title: "What if We Trusted You?"

Also, Keith Goetzman reviews the new album Ghost Repeater, from folk-rocker Jeffrey Foucault.