This video was pretty disturbing back in the 80's. Family Guy brought new life to it. I think Peter Griffin hit the nail on the head. It's no wonder I stayed away from bands like the Stones and Bowie when I was a teenager back in the 80's. This is the Mick Jagger and David Bowie I was exposed to. It wasn't until the late 90's until I understood what their music was all about. Nowadays Bowie is one of my all-time favorites, as well as the Stones.

Great dancing?? No not exactly, they look like to spastic clowns. I'm sure Tina Turner laughs her ass off everytime she sees these folks try to dance on stage. She supposedly helped shake shy Mick out of his boy/girlhood and become the lightfooted phenome!!
Obviously both of these "guys" are "great" or they wouldn't be millionaires, right? mnnnnn No!! Both have tremendous vocal range, right? mnnnnnnn No! Both handsome and manly to a fault, right? mnnnnnnnn No!
Do I enjoy Daniel Bowie and his music? No!
Do I enjoy Mick Jagger and his music? No!
I do like early Rolling Stones, tunes like Midnight Rambler, Paint it Black, 19th Nervous Breakdown and a few more.........
I don't care for most British front men/singers they all put on a very gay/homosexual act that in my younger years was a huge distraction from the music and vaulted these groups into the "Act" catagory. If these groups were new bands starting out today their perception would be different. I wasn't raised as a hater but I have more preferences just as everyone else does so in the music business I always question why theatre is used in a rock n roll band. I'm from an era were that type of "gimmick" was used to hide weaknesses also I knew I had to see and hear these groups live because the studio can lie. Saw the Stones 3 times all 3 they were terrible, they sounded like garage bands and other than jagger working hard to put on a show they are ALL ordinary talents at best. I never saw Bowie, purposely, his demeanor has nothing to do with me. Yes you can throw in R. Plant from the Zep. boys too, that fellow in his youthfull years was just creepy hahaha!!! yes I said creepy!!! Doc

I guess I just take things at face value: I like something, or I don't. There's no need to have to dig deep or insist there be certain values, a song/video either works for me, or it doesn't. A certain amount of music just isn't accessible without having to dissect it or search for some sort of value, and that's not how or why I listen to music.

That's why I'm able to enjoy the Monkees as much as Weather Report, Abba as much as Zappa, Ringo as much as Bozzio. Something either appeals to me, or it doesn't - no special criteria required.

Your such a sweet fellow for not "reaching" or "dig deep" maybe its just called "explaining why"! I don't have to politically correct or pull any punches because I don't put pop/rock performers on throwns like the kids do, even when I was a kid. I think if you like or dislike its ok to explain why because it lends to discussion on a forum which is were we are. Doc

The way Mick moves always made me cringe. He's just too fuity. For a song about dancing in the streets, where is everybody? This is a major party song. Two people do not a party make. It just doesn't work on any level for me, except perhaps the music track, which I can't disparage. I can't say I disliked the way they sang it either, just the visuals make me want to hurl. If I was asked to approve this for release, I would seriously laugh in their faces, like "Are you serious?". You can do better than that. You forgot the party.

The album's first single release, "Rock Me Tonite" was Billy Squier's biggest Pop hit. It reached #15 on Billboard's Hot 100, as well as #1 on the Album Rock Tracks chart in late 1984. However, the video for the track (directed by Kenny Ortega), which shows Squier dancing around a bedroom in a pink tank top, was named by Video GaGa as one of "The worst videos of all time". On the VH1 show Ultimate Albums (Def Leppard's "Pyromania" episode), Squier blamed the end of his career as a chart-topping rocker on the release of the "Rock Me Tonite" video.

Your such a sweet fellow for not "reaching" or "dig deep" maybe its just called "explaining why"!

I'm just saying that it's not necessary for me to find 'something' in order to like a song. I don't need to analyze or qualify a work in order to like (or dislike) it. If I like something, I accept it without question. If I don't, I don't dig deeper in order to force myself to accept it. Things are very face value with me, a deeper knowledge of it won't change how I feel one way or the other. I just don't have the time or patience to be educated as to why something as subjective as music is either good, or bad. It is what it is.

I see I knew shallow people in the past, I understand. So listening to a nice rhythm guitar that most anyone could play would get a positive but not amazed comment from you?? Yet if you did look "deeper" to find the chords were barred and the strumming was both accomplished by using feet that would still keep the ordinary rhythm just that, ordinary?
Yeah screw looking deeper to much effort! Doc

The way Mick moves always made me cringe. He's just too fuity. For a song about dancing in the streets, where is everybody? This is a major party song. Two people do not a party make. It just doesn't work on any level for me, except perhaps the music track, which I can't disparage. I can't say I disliked the way they sang it either, just the visuals make me want to hurl. If I was asked to approve this for release, I would seriously laugh in their faces, like "Are you serious?". You can do better than that. You forgot the party.

Disturbing? I always thought it was a fun video and a great track as well.

I just laugh at the video now, but, yeah the track is pretty good actually.

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I do like early Rolling Stones, tunes like Midnight Rambler, Paint it Black, 19th Nervous Breakdown and a few more.........
I don't care for most British front men/singers they all put on a very gay/homosexual act that in my younger years was a huge distraction from the music and vaulted these groups into the "Act" catagory.

I think that honor belongs to Elvis, he just wore nicer clothes. I like the cover of Route 66 that the Stones did.

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The way Mick moves always made me cringe. He's just too fuity. For a song about dancing in the streets, where is everybody? This is a major party song. Two people do not a party make. It just doesn't work on any level for me, except perhaps the music track, which I can't disparage. I can't say I disliked the way they sang it either, just the visuals make me want to hurl. If I was asked to approve this for release, I would seriously laugh in their faces, like "Are you serious?". You can do better than that. You forgot the party.

I couldn't agree more. Besides the party, the only other thing missing was Billy Squier dancing there with them.

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I prefer the Van Halen version of "Dancing In The Street" out of the "Diverdown" album and the Karen Carpenter version as well!!!

Obviously both of these "guys" are "great" or they wouldn't be millionaires, right? mnnnnn No!! Both have tremendous vocal range, right? mnnnnnnn No! Both handsome and manly to a fault, right? mnnnnnnnn No!
Do I enjoy Daniel Bowie and his music? No!
Do I enjoy Mick Jagger and his music? No!

Both were able to write a hell of a song though. "Great"? In a songwriting sense.....damned straight they have the ability to be great. You not liking them is perfectly acceptable to me......but it doesn't change the fact that both have written great music.

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I like something, or I don't. There's no need to have to dig deep or insist there be certain values, a song/video either works for me, or it doesn't.

+1. If it moves me, it gets a hearing.......if it doesn't, I'll leave it by the wayside. I don't wanna have to over analyse why I don't like something when there's so much I do like. I'd rather focus on that.

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Two people do not a party make. .

Oh yes they can old mate....get your raggedy backside down to Oz and I'll show you how. :-)

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I see I knew shallow people in the past,

Come on mate. He doesn't agree with you so now he's shallow? Turn it up.

Your ability to see things from someone else's perspective is severly lacking itself, Doc. Half of what you post is living testimony to this. But as much as I find your rhetorical rants amusing.......if you're gonna stand in that glass house......it pays not to throw stones.

FWIW, I was never much of a fan of this track....but I think both artists have certainly done "great" things.

This video was pretty disturbing back in the 80's. Family Guy brought new life to it. I think Peter Griffin hit the nail on the head. It's no wonder I stayed away from bands like the Stones and Bowie when I was a teenager back in the 80's. This is the Mick Jagger and David Bowie I was exposed to. It wasn't until the late 90's until I understood what their music was all about. Nowadays Bowie is one of my all-time favorites, as well as the Stones.

When I saw this post title, I thought of that Family Guy episode and starting laughing. That was a hysterical clip. And the show let the entire video run. Thanks for posting.

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Damn fellas relax I'm just foolin around, its like when I say something everyone gets their panties all twisted hahaha!!! I don't think their great song writers sorry, The Gershwin Bros were great song writers, Duke Ellington was a great writer, Johnny Mercer was a a great writer. They wrote classic tunes with rhythms, beats, melodies and releases that were arrainged to perfection. If you think that some clown in make up is a great performer and song writer its ok but theres so much more adult music out here that you haven't even heard of let alone listened too. I understand their popularity in the rock n roll world but is this just a rock drummers forum? I'm beginning to think it is because the word great is constantly used to describe some single stroked meth moron who destroys equipment with better timing than he keeps, yet hes great. When you hear Daniel Bowies tunes in comparison to Marvin Gayes or Stevie Wonders or Bill (Smoky) Robinsons you gotta be kidding me right? Whatever! NEXT!! Doc

One of those times when the sum is less than the individual parts. Love the Stones. Love Bowie. This cover and the vid did nothing for me at the time. They badly needed Rick Astley in there with them to give the song a lift :)

Having said that, I heard it on the car radio the other day for the first time in many years. I enjoyed hearing the contrasting way each of the guys sang their lines and the pop arrangement is well done.

Of course, this could be construed as an indictment of the other stuff on the radio more than the quality of the cover ...

Damn fellas relax I'm just foolin around, its like when I say something everyone gets their panties all twisted hahaha!!!

Twisted? Nah....I'm not wearing any. :-)

You are free to say as you please. I don't begrudge your opinions, even when I don't agree.....but I'm free to flip the coin and speak from the otherside. That's all it is. Nothing more, nothing less.

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I don't think their great song writers sorry.

Fair enough. I don't ask that you agree with me, but I do think they've written some great material. That doesn't make either of us wrong or right. It just confirms what I've known for years.......music has something for everyone.

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The Gershwin Bros were great song writers, Duke Ellington was a great writer, Johnny Mercer was a a great writer.

Yep. Right along with Jagger/Richards, Lennon/McCartney, Bowie and countless others from the rock world.

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When you hear Daniel Bowies tunes in comparison to Marvin Gayes or Stevie Wonders or Bill (Smoky) Robinsons you gotta be kidding me right?

No. I kid you not. They ALL do something for me musically. Each for reasons as wide and varied as the musicians themselves. I'm thankful for a world where they can all co-exist, not tread on each others toes and I can pick and choose which one I want to listen to and when. Such variety......it's like a dream for all seasons isn't it?

I like steak, but I like ice cream too. Why should I choose definitively.....why can't I have both......plus anything else that tickles my fancy along the way?

Maybe because ...............your from down under??????? I see now, didn't see where you were "really" come in from hahahaha!!!! I'm from the inner city, grew up on T-Bone Walker, Fats Domino Louis Jordan and the likes of Blues to Rhythmn N Blues and Swing and Jazz then Soul. However I do respect the "Lil River Band" a hell of alot more than the Stones hahaha anyone can play the Stones tunes its so easy you could be a sleep learning it, I'd love to hear some shmo band playing Stones covers start a rehearsal on the Lil Rivers Vocals!!!
That would be priceless!!! Well its no big deal you get your fancy tickled by Bowie cause you don't wear draws, and I'll not listen at all. Is he related to Meatloaf??? Nah! Doc

Maybe because ...............your from down under??????? I see now, didn't see where you were "really" come in from hahahaha!!!! I'm from the inner city, grew up on T-Bone Walker, Fats Domino Louis Jordan and the likes of Blues to Rhythmn N Blues and Swing and Jazz then Soul. However I do respect the "Lil River Band" a hell of alot more than the Stones hahaha anyone can play the Stones tunes its so easy you could be a sleep learning it, I'd love to hear some shmo band playing Stones covers start a rehearsal on the Lil Rivers Vocals!!!
That would be priceless!!! Well its no big deal you get your fancy tickled by Bowie cause you don't wear draws, and I'll not listen at all. Is he related to Meatloaf??? Nah! Doc

It's all in the perspective mate. You know that when viewed from a certain angle in space, the world is upside down and Downunder is on top!! :-)

You grew up listening to some "great" music Doc, no doubt. I just don't think greatness stopped with those guys or in that era, is all.

From T-Bone to Tool......if it moves you, then that's "great" as far as I'm concerned.

Maybe because ...............your from down under??????? I see now, didn't see where you were "really" come in from hahahaha!!!! I'm from the inner city, grew up on T-Bone Walker, Fats Domino Louis Jordan and the likes of Blues to Rhythmn N Blues and Swing and Jazz then Soul. However I do respect the "Lil River Band" a hell of alot more than the Stones hahaha anyone can play the Stones tunes its so easy you could be a sleep learning it, I'd love to hear some shmo band playing Stones covers start a rehearsal on the Lil Rivers Vocals!!!
That would be priceless!!! Well its no big deal you get your fancy tickled by Bowie cause you don't wear draws, and I'll not listen at all. Is he related to Meatloaf??? Nah! Doc

Haha cheeky blighter. PFOG is correct ... when the universe has a THIS WAY UP sign then I'll accept that Oz is "down under"!

I believe the correct term for you is "blues snob" heeheehee (just givin ya crap :)

Seriously though, the Stones tunes are easy enough to play, but not to write, nor to play with the spirit the Stones gave those songs. Also, bear in mind that Keef played a lot of partials that young garage players fudge with bar chords.

PFOG and I came up listening to some fabulous artists that most of you Yanks don't know about (excluding Unfunkyfooted, who's a true internationalist) http://www.drummerworld.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=82370. The pub rock scene here in the 70s and 80s was great but sadly is no more.

Personally, I'm loathe to dis established artists because they release best selling albums, play in front of thousands of people and are loved by millions around the world ... it would seem odd for a two bit local player like me to cast judgement. I'm a big fan of the atmospheric pieces Bowie's German period music too.

But Dancing in the Street? It was super popular but give me Sticky Fingers and Heroes any day!

Yeah, I'll have to agree with you there, although VH is a close second. There's some good cowbell in there.

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When I saw this post title, I thought of that Family Guy episode and starting laughing. That was a hysterical clip. And the show let the entire video run. Thanks for posting.

It was one of their best cut-away scenes they did. Saw it a while ago but a rerun just played recently and reminded me of it.

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One of those times when the sum is less than the individual parts. Love the Stones. Love Bowie. This cover and the vid did nothing for me at the time. They badly needed Rick Astley in there with them to give the song a lift :)

Having said that, I heard it on the car radio the other day for the first time in many years. I enjoyed hearing the contrasting way each of the guys sang their lines and the pop arrangement is well done.

Of course, this could be construed as an indictment of the other stuff on the radio more than the quality of the cover ...

Rick Astley and Billy Squier! Now it's a party. ha ha! Actually, I don't think the version is all that bad.

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That has to be one of the worst songs / clips in the history of the universe - what a blatant money making grab - shame Mick shame!

Oh yeah! That video is so bad that it's good. Check out the Billy Squier one too. Shame!

I see I knew shallow people in the past, I understand. So listening to a nice rhythm guitar that most anyone could play would get a positive but not amazed comment from you?? Yet if you did look "deeper" to find the chords were barred and the strumming was both accomplished by using feet that would still keep the ordinary rhythm just that, ordinary?
Yeah screw looking deeper to much effort! Doc

You're deliberately missing/twisting my point.

I short, I'm not interested in how much or little effort goes into a song, how educated the players are by any particular standards, how 'intelligent' the music or lyrics are, how well-respected the players are among the music community, the age, gender or nationality of the players, or even whether there's a live drummer on the track. I am only interested in whether the resulting work appeals to me. The sole criterion being, does it make me feel good? It's that simple.

Now, do I recognize the effort and craftsmanship that goes into various songs? Of course. I can appreciate what an artist does without actually liking what they do. There are plenty of musicians I find amazing, but don't enjoy the music they make if it doesn't make me feel good. If I have to search for or rationalize or qualify its 'value' in order to like it, then I'm not really enjoying it.

Think of it like being told a joke - you either get it, or you don't. If it has to be explained to you, it's no longer funny.

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to be in honest, i don't think they recorded the song to be an earth shattering cover. if i remember correctly, it was just thrown together over about three days - video shoot included, simply because they wanted to do something together. they decided to give the money to charity. it was around the time of Live Aid...in fact, i think it premiered on Live Aid. i could be wrong on that. but if not it premiered only a coupla days afterwards.

and yes, i always hated it. : )

noble cause though. hey, let's do something together. no time to write something. let's do "Dancing In The Street" and record it and shoot the video all in 3 days. and let's give the money to charity.

The original plan was to perform a track together live, with Bowie performing at Wembley Stadium and Jagger at John F. Kennedy Stadium, until it was realized that the satellite link-up would cause a half-second delay that would make this impossible unless either Bowie or Jagger mimed their contribution, something neither artist was willing to do.

whom you are hearing is Stevie Ray Vaughn. he recorded the album, but fell out with Bowie over $$$ and declined to do the tour.

this was before his later fame.

i (almost) saw him open for the Pretenders back in '84. as i entered the arena, there was this guitar player playing with his teeth and behind his back and between his legs and i'm wondering who the heck is THAT ?, as i stole glances while trying to find my seat. as soon as i get to my seat and plop down, the arena announcer says: "That was Stevie Ray Vaughn and Double Trouble !!!"

whom you are hearing is Stevie Ray Vaughn. he recorded the album, but fell out with Bowie over $$$ and declined to do the tour.

this was before his later fame.

i (almost) saw him open for the Pretenders back in '84. as i entered the arena, there was this guitar player playing with his teeth and behind his back and between his legs and i'm wondering who the heck is THAT ?, as i stole glances while trying to find my seat. as soon as i get to my seat and plop down, the arena announcer says: "That was Stevie Ray Vaughn and Double Trouble !!!"

I missed this. LOL - what a funny little man. Imagine being the director and saying "Good work, Billy. That's a take" after he's just pranced gauchely across the room. Maybe Ed Wood was directing?

But if you close your eyes he had a cool Robert Plant thing going vocally ...

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I'm not interested in how much or little effort goes into a song, how educated the players are by any particular standards, how 'intelligent' the music or lyrics are, how well-respected the players are among the music community, the age, gender or nationality of the players, or even whether there's a live drummer on the track. I am only interested in whether the resulting work appeals to me. The sole criterion being, does it make me feel good? It's that simple.

Now, do I recognize the effort and craftsmanship that goes into various songs? Of course. I can appreciate what an artist does without actually liking what they do. There are plenty of musicians I find amazing, but don't enjoy the music they make if it doesn't make me feel good. If I have to search for or rationalize or qualify its 'value' in order to like it, then I'm not really enjoying it.

Nicely put, Jon. Some people have a bottom line of mastery when it comes to listening, so they won't ever enjoy a White Stripes song on principle.

I'm more like you - if I like it I like it. Anything from The Shaggs's to Mahavishnu Orchestra to John Cage to Abba ... it's all just "food".