The Post & Email can confirm this afternoon, that Attorneys Leo Donofrio and Steven Pidgeon are representing a group of Chrysler Automotive dealers in seeking legal redress to their loss of their franchises following the direct and unconstitutional involvement of Barack Hussein Obama in the Chrysler reorganization.

A little off topic, but what’s with the feel-good Chrysler commercials featuring Gorby, Mandela, etc? Hey Chrysler! Stop trying to impress us (with OUR MONEY) with your civic mindedness and start selling some of your crap so you can pay us back!

I’ve read he was born in Hawaii to parents who were non-citizens, and I’ve read he was born in Kenya.

I wonder if he fits one of these-

Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in those gaps. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”

Anyone born inside the United States *
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.

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posted on 12/08/2009 1:02:37 PM PST
by Muzzle_em
(Adopt a new furry best friend today! They have nothing but love to give.)

I’m so sick of you folks who cannot seem to understand that there is a difference between a “citizen” and a “natural born citizen” (which is what the Constitution requires for someone to be President).

I’m a perfect example. I’m a citizen due to my being born in California. But I’m not a natural born citizen because my father wasn’t a citizen at the time I was born (and the country of which he was a citizen recognized the citizenship of children, so I was born with dual citizenship).

So stop trying to use these inane arguments about whether Obama is a citizen to confuse and muddy up the issue. It’s not about his citizenship, it’s about whether or not he’s a natural born citizen. (Although even his “plain old” citizenship is on shaky ground as a result of the questions about his traveling on foreign passports that have come up, and never been addressed.)

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.

The definition of the term, “natural born citizen”, was entered into the Congressional record of the House on March 9, 1866, in comments made by Rep. John Bingham on the Civil Rights Act of 1866, which was the precursor to the Fourteenth Amendment. He repeated Vattel’s definition when he said:

“[I] find no fault with the introductory clause, which is simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen. . . .  — John A. Bingham, (R-Ohio) US Congressman, March 9, 1866 Cong. Globe, 39th, 1st Sess., 1291 (1866), Sec. 1992 of U.S. Revised Statutes (1866).

“I, [insert name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.” (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

Why should our soldiers have to swear the portion of that oath about obeying the orders of an illegitimate President?

We the People should have never allowed that to happen. It is up to We the People to ensure that our soldiers never have to obey any orders from an illegitimate President.

That will not happen. Obama will harken to their complaints and out of his own magnanimous and generous heart (and our wallets) he will provide these dealers their due.

The chosen one will say something like:
“They were the unfortunate citizens who were trampled in the machinery of government at a time when swift and decisive action was required. It is only right that they be compensated for this unintended loss (with your money to cover my a$$).”

This will be interesting to see how quick they move to resolve this issue with the dealers that had their franchises stolen away from them with these new lawsuits filed. Especially the Quo-Warranto suit. They will need to make this go away and the quickest way to do that would be to resolve all the issues with this dealers before they go to court!

Congress crafts new bill for rejected dealers

12/07/2009, 10:40 PMBy Mark Kleis

A new bill was crafted by House leaders over the weekend that is aimed at providing better third-party arbitration for rejected GM and Chrysler dealerships. The new bill differs from last weeks offering due to the addition of more favorable circumstances for the dealerships.

Im so sick of you folks who cannot seem to understand that there is a difference between a citizen and a natural born citizen

Like the guy in the black robe?

Im a perfect example. Im a citizen due to my being born in California. But Im not a natural born citizen because my father wasnt a citizen at the time I was born

That's odd. My son was also born in California. His mother (my wife) is not a U.S. citizen yet my son is a natural born citizen as recognized by the U.S. Constitution and all current legal precedent.

Me? I'm sick of birthers who are pimping their fictional definition of Natural Born Citizen, a definition of eligibility created specifically to be one that Obama couldn't meet, as though it is the Law of the Land and then acting incredulous that nobody is buying it.

Thats odd. My Daughter was born in PA. I am a natural born citizen, as both my parents were citizens at the time of my birth.

However, my daughter is not a natural born citizen. My daughter is a dual citizen, with rights to two countries. Her mother is not a US citizen.

So why is it that your son is not endowed with rights to two citizenship's? And if he is, why cant he run for president in the US and then run for president in his other country of citizenship? And which would he then be loyal to if he were to exercise that right? Please reply.

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posted on 12/08/2009 2:33:27 PM PST
by PA-RIVER
(Don't blame me. I voted for the American guy.)

Have you given some thought to what kind of precedent it would set or what the consequences would be if service members could choose whether or not to obey orders based on whether or not they happened to think the President was legitimate or not?

Because according to the laws at the time, she’d not spent two years as a legal adult in the U.S. The laws are different now, but we are supposed to be a nation of laws, not men. There are plenty of details of exactly what section of the U.S. Code on some of the birth cert sites.

I'm sick of birthers who are pimping their fictional definition of Natural Born Citizen

LOL. ROFL. HAHAHAHAHA!

It's nice to see the afterbirther Obots joining the fray.

By the way, my brother was born in California to TWO (2) (dos) parents who were NOT US citizens, and he understands quite well that he is a CITIZEN, but not a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN. He knows that he can NEVER be president.

You trolls sure provide us a good amount of entertainment. Love it! ;-)

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posted on 12/08/2009 3:36:03 PM PST
by thecraw
(God allows evil. God allowed Barry to usurp the highest office in the land. God will not be mocked.)

Now the sticky part - getting past the ugly, blatant conflict of interest with Holder's DOJ.

Leo and his collaborators need our prayers -- we need to pray for their safety. I still hearken back to the dark days of Vince Foster. Of course, the internet is a far more powerful force nowadays, and it's a bit more difficult for the evil to triumph. The Truth, as always, will prevail...

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posted on 12/08/2009 3:44:58 PM PST
by thecraw
(God allows evil. God allowed Barry to usurp the highest office in the land. God will not be mocked.)

Your son is not a natural born citizen as understood by the founders at the time the Constitution was written and ratified. Nor am I (born in Canada). Nor is Barack Obama (non-citizen father, born ???). Nor is John McCain (born in Panama).

We are all given our citizenship per act of Congress because we could as easily claim another country. (Canada, Nigeria & Britain, Panama) I’ve accepted that I am precluded from holding the office since I was a small child (it was actually fun to tell the third grade school teacher she was wrong with great confidence when she insisted I can be or do anything I wanted when I got older, even president).

Since neither the Supreme Court nor the Congress nor the Constitution has declared a clear definition of natural born citizen, I am really happy to hear your brother has solved this vexing issue for everyone.

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posted on 12/08/2009 4:27:09 PM PST
by LibertarianAdam
(Let the government protect our borders, then leave us alone within them)

Since neither the Supreme Court nor the Congress nor the Constitution has declared a clear definition of natural born citizen, I am really happy to hear your brother has solved this vexing issue for everyone.

There's nothing to solve. The British citizenship of the Founding Fathers' parents is the reason they exempted themselves from the Natural Born requirement. TWO parents of United States citizenship (not necessarily Natural Born) are required for a US citizen to also be a Natural Born Citizen.

Do you honestly think they would have wanted "anchor babies" to be president? The real possibility of a CIC with divided loyalties would have been suicide for this fledgling new nation. Think man, think!

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posted on 12/08/2009 5:05:46 PM PST
by thecraw
(God allows evil. God allowed Barry to usurp the highest office in the land. God will not be mocked.)

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