Not sure if MGTOW is gaining maybe it is and maybe it isn't but just telling guys to board a plane and leave America is easier said than done.

For some guys it's financial and for other guys maybe having family or other things tying them down.

If you think about it the guys that can truly do happier abroad has to be some what independently wealthy but let say your not..it's like every fews months if you can afford to you travel overseas.
This reminds me of the sex tourist who would travel to the Philippines 2-3 times a year to bust a nut but come back to America and just work in the long run but feel depress being back.

The issue with Happier broad is that its not always the most viable solution . From my travels to South Korea I saw the changes even in South Korea..and I think this is happening to other countries. What I'm saying is that the westernization and women power is spreading.

Happier abroad advocate escaping to another counties but eventually your favorite countries will be effected by westernization and feminize like it or not.

So in the long run there is no real true solution but for the short run I understand guys doing the happier abroad stuff..in way we are bunch of selfish lot that only cares about ourselves . For a movement to pick up there has to be support or something but there isn't .

MGTOW is almost the same where it's your on your own. SHoot I don;t even know 100% what MGTOW wants. Some of them are anti-feminism and reactionary group to it where as others its more about just being selfish and doing what ever the hell you want without being responsible.

In2dadark wrote:An area I I find kind of echo chamberish in all these communities, including HA, is if you're not doing what we (the herd) are doing, you're not living. If you choose one thing, by default, you say no to a whole string of other things. Saying you're not alive if you're not doing what we're doing is a form of self delusion.

The part that bothers me is that they pretend to care about the plight of men when they really couldnt care less. That's why when something bad happens to a man at the hands of a woman, instead of feeling any empathy, many of the MGTOW will openly declare that the man got what he deserved for interacting with a woman. These are the people with their philosophy to GTOW. Their own way really means avoiding women completely, because women are dangerous. And if other men do not follow that same path, then they got what was coming to them!

Instead they recommend that a man masturbate, buy a cat, play Call of Duty, and watch some MGTOW videos about politics online to waste their lives away.

That is fine, but you can not call that a movement. They think by inattention they can starve women into submission. These men couldnt get any dumber than that. Basically they don't believe in having women under subjection in their personal relationships, but somehow they think women will miss them enough for women to change their behavior or for women to rally against the government (that might make sense, if women had ever fought for their own rights, which they didnt, it was given to them, women can't fight for much of anything without men doing the real work, dumbasses). If it is wrong for a woman to be in subjection to her man, how is it right for women in general to submit by changing their behavior for the slim horde of MGTOW followers?

One man would be better finding the one woman who is willing to submit to him, than he is waiting around for women in general to submit to fixing the problems of the courts. When you say that, you see how silly it is.

They think their collectivism means something, when it just means they're suckers to a few old men and a bunch of young men, who hate men and women and probably themselves and life itself, who want to see everyone else be alone and miserable all their days just like they know they will be. They all get together to posts on forums to pretend that they are heroes for the cause of men everywhere.

In reality they are merely part of the problem: telling men to cower and submit to women, destroying fatherhood by eliminating the possibility that many men will even become fathers! Yet they think they are on some fabulous journey of enlightenment.

Plus everyone reading this post should checkout the book/E-book "Men On Strike" by Dr. Helen Smith on Amazon.com.

I wouldnt equate MGTOW with Men giving up on marriage. Men who are avoiding marriage are the ones who can see the writing on the wall. MGTOW is comprised mostly of men who are incapable of forming a connection with a western woman. So it is really a moot issue for them. That is another proof that it isnt about men's rights (most of these men do not care about men's rights, they only care that they are not getting waxed by women). Sure they are angry on some level, but instead of using that to find a better way (which the title of their movement implies), they simply use it to direct their hatred toward relationships in general, all women, and any man who engages with women.

I can't blame a man for not wanting to interact with a woman though. That is up to each individual man.

Plus everyone reading this post should checkout the book/E-book "Men On Strike" by Dr. Helen Smith on Amazon.com.

That was an excellent article about marriage rates at an all time low. Also, Dr. Helen Smith's book, "Men On Strike" is outstanding and goes into detail on what is going in modern day America regarding feminism and men.

"When I think about the idea of getting involved with an American woman, I don't know if I should laugh .............. or vomit!"

"Trying to meet women in America is like trying to decipher Egyptian hieroglyphics."

MGTOW On Its Face . . .
I find the philosophy agreeable at face value: recognising full autonomy and lack of concern for society's mould for what a "real man" is or should be/do, recognising what men bring to the table in heterosexual relationships, putting the self first, making the most of one's life, adaptation using the cards one has been dealt, and self-improvement and happiness without NEEDING women. Sadly, self-improvement was the first to be thrown out, and now they're become just as disgusting as feminists. I've been on a few MGTOW-oriented forums and the number one rule is: align with the rhetoric or leave. I've seen members shadow-banned and post-modded for challenging the men on the forum. Ask a man what he did to deserve negative attention from a woman? Heresy, as far as they are concerned.

Delusions of Grandeur . . .
At first MGTOW seemed like a step in the right direction, but now they come off as being delusional sorts. They seem to think that every woman wants to twist their lives up, which is why a common thread on MGTOW forums is "MGTOW at work". For some reason, women are just dying to date them and should you reject a woman that is interested in you, her wrath will be felt for generations. I highly doubt these men are that important, in all honesty. It's bad to speak ill of others but I have to be realistic. MGTOW aren't anything to write home about. The only MGTOW I can think of that's worth anything to society is George Clooney, and he doesn't identify with the label; he simply lives his life.

What It's Really About . . .
One you get right into it, it's really just a bunch of negatives with no passions or ambitions who expect women to just fall into their laps no matter how flawed and damaged they are (much like a good number of members on this forum). They don't even care about men. They offer that illusion. The same way feminists don't care about women and offer only THEIR delusion. It's basically a gateway to negatively-focused concepts that get one nowhere. I never used the label for myself, as I only use labels I create for myself (or simply go without), but I did associate with MGTOW at one point. When I did, I was more for the "Ghosts" and "Bachelors" when it comes to the different sects. The former believes in complete society withdrawal ala John Galt (only they aren't nearly as important), while the latter believes in game/seduction, self-improvement and navigation of the anti-male landscape.

In Conclusion . . .
MGTOW isn't anything like it paints itself to be. The philosophy of careful navigation regarding female nature is agreeable, and I think that the few who offer intellectual/philosophical/scientific outlets in order to explain female behaviour are good for doing so, however the entire community isn't anything I'd like to be apart of. It's very similar to HA, now that I think about it.

Eightfold Path wrote:MGTOW On Its Face . . .
I find the philosophy agreeable at face value: recognising full autonomy and lack of concern for society's mould for what a "real man" is or should be/do, recognising what men bring to the table in heterosexual relationships, putting the self first, making the most of one's life, adaptation using the cards one has been dealt, and self-improvement and happiness without NEEDING women. Sadly, self-improvement was the first to be thrown out, and now they're become just as disgusting as feminists. I've been on a few MGTOW-oriented forums and the number one rule is: align with the rhetoric or leave. I've seen members shadow-banned and post-modded for challenging the men on the forum. Ask a man what he did to deserve negative attention from a woman? Heresy, as far as they are concerned.

Delusions of Grandeur . . .
At first MGTOW seemed like a step in the right direction, but now they come off as being delusional sorts. They seem to think that every woman wants to twist their lives up, which is why a common thread on MGTOW forums is "MGTOW at work". For some reason, women are just dying to date them and should you reject a woman that is interested in you, her wrath will be felt for generations. I highly doubt these men are that important, in all honesty. It's bad to speak ill of others but I have to be realistic. MGTOW aren't anything to write home about. The only MGTOW I can think of that's worth anything to society is George Clooney, and he doesn't identify with the label; he simply lives his life.

What It's Really About . . .
One you get right into it, it's really just a bunch of negatives with no passions or ambitions who expect women to just fall into their laps no matter how flawed and damaged they are (much like a good number of members on this forum). They don't even care about men. They offer that illusion. The same way feminists don't care about women and offer only THEIR delusion. It's basically a gateway to negatively-focused concepts that get one nowhere. I never used the label for myself, as I only use labels I create for myself (or simply go without), but I did associate with MGTOW at one point. When I did, I was more for the "Ghosts" and "Bachelors" when it comes to the different sects. The former believes in complete society withdrawal ala John Galt (only they aren't nearly as important), while the latter believes in game/seduction, self-improvement and navigation of the anti-male landscape.

In Conclusion . . .
MGTOW isn't anything like it paints itself to be. The philosophy of careful navigation regarding female nature is agreeable, and I think that the few who offer intellectual/philosophical/scientific outlets in order to explain female behaviour are good for doing so, however the entire community isn't anything I'd like to be apart of. It's very similar to HA, now that I think about it.

It is just a mirror image of the feminist movement, but without the stamp of approval. I'll give some of the cultural leaders some credit in that they may just be idiots who are following the wrong script, but I do think some of these losers (the cultural leaders of MGTOW, not the followers) are intentionally leading men nowhere, the same way feminists sought to distract the vulnerable women away from becoming wives and mothers.

They claim to be pro-men, but all of their efforts are against you as a man. They do not even want men to become fathers. What about feminism? Feminism does not want men to become fathers. MGTOW does not want men to become fathers: they seek to delay fatherhood, just like feminists seek to delay motherhood, in the hopes that one day it will simply be too late, or that you will give up.

There seems to be a great misconception about MGTOW. If you are a p***y beggar, then you don't understand MGTOW.

MGTOW = MEN GO THEIR OWN WAY

Key words are MEN and GO. GTOW means to chart your own path, not the path society creates for you. Society creates a path for males to fill their pockets with MONEY.

Fools! Jails, child support, coffins, and homelessness is created specifically for men. Your government overlords are building courts and prisons for you as I type this. Why are you so blind?

Do you know why the elites will always control men? Because you love WOMEN more than the Creator! The creator made everything, yet you worship a mortal woman. That's your problem. You do whatever it takes to get a woman instead of what your creator intended for you. This is why MAN will always be a slave to another mortal.

You can continue to criticize MGTOWs but we will continue to stay out of this evil system and laugh when you "REAL MEN" take blows from the government, police, and justice system.

GO YOUR OWN WAY means do what you please. It has nothing to do with women. Sadly, most people on this forum would stop visiting if any Ameriwhore gave you a little play. How easily you are fooled! A real MGTOW seeks comfort outside of America with a real woman, not a poisonous snake aka American woman!

gibraltar wrote:GO YOUR OWN WAY means do what you please. It has nothing to do with women. Sadly, most people on this forum would stop visiting if any Ameriwhore gave you a little play. How easily you are fooled! A real MGTOW seeks comfort outside of America with a real woman.

First you say MGTOW is about avoiding women, then you say a "real MGTOW" seeks a woman outside of America. Which is it? You cannot say it has nothing to do with women, then advocate them to find a woman abroad. You are contradicting yourself.

gibraltar wrote:LONG LIVE MGTOW. We will prevail!

I very much doubt that when your movement has no objectives, no leaders, no clear goals and no plan on how to achieve them. You can't even get your story straight, not very convincing lol.

MarcosZeitola wrote:[
First you say MGTOW is about avoiding women, then you say a "real MGTOW" seeks a woman outside of America. Which is it? You cannot say it has nothing to do with women, then advocate them to find a woman abroad. You are contradicting yourself.
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I very much doubt that when your movement has no objectives, no leaders, no clear goals and no plan on how to achieve them. You can't even get your story straight, not very convincing lol.

I would say, neither - nor. There is no clear advice about what a MGTOW should do, it is up to him to decide.

MGTOW is a movement teaching men how to avoid certain mistakes in their life which might result in disastrous consequences, it is about being risk-averse. Some MGTOWs prefer to be single after they made bad experiences and are financially weak after a divorce in Western countries, others prefer not to have anything to do with women regardless where they are, other MGTOWs like the idea of a foreign wife and some of them, like myself tried successfully to relocate.

Not so long time ago, feminists were laughing about the idea of MGTOW - but nowadays they feel seriously disturbed and are demanding censorship, claiming hate-speech. This feminist reaction shows us that the MGTOW movement is growing and surely not declining.

As previously stated, the MGTOW movement is a dead-end. Its tenets really are common sense. Concepts I grasped when I was still urinating the bed so . . . why exactly do MGTOW act like beacons of reason and logic?

gibraltar wrote:There seems to be a great misconception about MGTOW. If you are a p***y beggar, then you don't understand MGTOW.

MGTOW = MEN GO THEIR OWN WAY

Key words are MEN and GO. GTOW means to chart your own path, not the path society creates for you. Society creates a path for males to fill their pockets with MONEY.

Fools! Jails, child support, coffins, and homelessness is created specifically for men. Your government overlords are building courts and prisons for you as I type this. Why are you so blind?

Do you know why the elites will always control men? Because you love WOMEN more than the Creator! The creator made everything, yet you worship a mortal woman. That's your problem. You do whatever it takes to get a woman instead of what your creator intended for you. This is why MAN will always be a slave to another mortal.

You can continue to criticize MGTOWs but we will continue to stay out of this evil system and laugh when you "REAL MEN" take blows from the government, police, and justice system.

GO YOUR OWN WAY means do what you please. It has nothing to do with women. Sadly, most people on this forum would stop visiting if any Ameriwhore gave you a little play. How easily you are fooled! A real MGTOW seeks comfort outside of America with a real woman, not a poisonous snake aka American woman!

LONG LIVE MGTOW. We will prevail!

I believe you.

Entertain this thought for a moment though. Okay so MGTOW have figured out that the government is against men. MGTOW says that they can declare victory against the government by simply avoiding women. But wait a minute. Do you think the government is incapable of circumventing your escape plans? Do you think marriage and divorce is the limit of the government's power? Do you think the government will simply stop there, if only we are able to stay away from women?

Do you think that is a little naive? If the government is as evil as you say it is, do you think the government would stop seeking the death of men just because they didnt sign on a contract?

On the one hand you give the government great weight in factoring your decision to avoid women. On the other hand, you blatantly ignore the fact the gov doesnt need women to entrap you if it wants you dead, which ignores the real problem.

Apparently, as you as eloquently stated yourself, the problem stems from the government.

The gov wants to imprison and murder men. I'll accept that. But you think just because you don't have a woman that will stop the government from achieve its goal? It is the government. They will find a way around your work around.

That line of thought really gets me.

And what does pursuing women have to do with ignoring God? See, you're another one of those ascetics who wants to prevent other men from procreating. That's what you are. I'm not a Buddhist Monk, Nor am I a Catholic priest. Why is it I should live like a monk? Because you are afraid of the government I should live like a monk? And that is proof I love women more than God? Hey, that's fine if you believe that. I don't follow that logic, and you haven't connected any dots or supplied any other information to support that, other than your simple assertion.

Besides that, this is a spiritual battle. There is no way you can stand up to them. Unless you want to become a hunk of spoiled meat for worms.

gibraltar wrote:GO YOUR OWN WAY means do what you please. It has nothing to do with women. Sadly, most people on this forum would stop visiting if any Ameriwhore gave you a little play. How easily you are fooled! A real MGTOW seeks comfort outside of America with a real woman.

First you say MGTOW is about avoiding women, then you say a "real MGTOW" seeks a woman outside of America. Which is it? You cannot say it has nothing to do with women, then advocate them to find a woman abroad. You are contradicting yourself.

gibraltar wrote:LONG LIVE MGTOW. We will prevail!

I very much doubt that when your movement has no objectives, no leaders, no clear goals and no plan on how to achieve them. You can't even get your story straight, not very convincing lol.

Besides that, in theory it is supposed to be an individualistic movement. I do not even know how that is possible, but that is what they claim to be. How can individuals who are each going a different way from one another actually work together for a common cause? There is no unity there. Or can objectives be accomplished by a group of people who are not working together in unison?

Now you see why he's fallen for MGTOW. He believes their false narrative 100%, like those radical feminists who would abort their own babies.

gibraltar wrote:
You can continue to criticize MGTOWs but we will continue to stay out of this evil system and laugh when you "REAL MEN" take blows from the government, police, and justice system.

Are you sure you are going to have the last laugh? Don't be so sure. You do not know anyone's future, not even your own. That is only one possible future.

We already knew that you men laugh at the rest of us though. I already wrote that. Similar to feminists, MGTOW hate normal men. However, worse than feminists, MGTOW hate their own kind as much as their enemy.

You'll never hear a feminist woman say "That B____ got what she deserved!" Because women don't usually wish harm on other women. Men will though. Then those same men will claim they are actually on your side and fighting for your rights even though they take pleasure when other men fall at the hands of a woman. A stellar advertisement for MGTOW. None of you even notice the irony.