Andyclarke wrote:Thought I would add what I know with 15 years of collecting experience and having been around the block.

I used to talk to Toni often and got quite friendly, I even met him down at Sandown. I never had any issues and he gave me first choice on a collection he landed with probably the finest conditioned set of 30 and 41 backs I have seen. Many of which Gary Smith and Jay Rathour ended up with.

I do recall a long conversation probably back around 2004/5 about how someone was accusing him of fixing bubbles to cards, he seemed genuinely shocked. I remember he joked about how ridiculous the very notion of someone still producing new Palitoy carded figures. Interesting to know who that was, maybe Jason Joiner.

I am in no doubt that anything Toni had from 45a and earlier is extremely unlikely to have been tampered with. I recall he used to have multiple 45a Star Destroyer Commanders, obviously 45a Black Bespin Guards and 41 Han Hoths. All had varying degrees of wear. The Hans had creases and the BBGs had yellowed bubbles, which is consistent with all the ones I have seen since.

Toni used to acquire his figures from local auction houses, contacts and because of his advert in model and collectors mart he would get collections offered to him. There may be huge doubts over the stuff in Jason's list but a lot of the stuff he sold was genuine.

Andy

Thanks for your insight Andy. I have no doubts he sold a lot of genuine stuff as well as he was a big scale dealer. He sold a lot of Tri logo too which is legit.

Palitoy78 wrote:Personally i dont think that anything linked to Toni with regards to Palitoy can be trusted 100%. I know he had crap loads of Kenner carded aswell, but those were legit. As far as Palitoy and GM,s cards go, it will forever be conjecture. Thats why i dont follow or beleive checklists that have been assembled since this all came out because in my eyes they are scaremongering and putting out incorrect information which is very dangerous.

I also beleive Toni had Palitoy logo unused cardbacks too, but again thats just my own opinion...

Sorry can I ask why you 'believe' Tony had unused Palitoy logo cardbacks? Do you have any evidence to support this? I can understand how Tony got hold of Jedi cardbacks after the Palitoy factory closed in 1985. As we know there were a lot of Jedi produced compared to SW and Empire and what with that plus the life of SW toys sort of coming to an end at that time there was a lot of unsold factory/shop stock-hence why we c many Jedi pieces in fantastic condition today But surely during the SW and Empire era with the demand outweighing the supply I wouldn't have expected one to get hold of unused cardbacks

As said by other members I don't really think u can make statements without having any real evidence to back U up. I have been in the game getting on for 20 years and know a fair few serious Palitoy collectors but have never heard or seen anything to support your foul play beliefs regarding logo Palitoy MOCs

Palitoy78 wrote:Personally i dont think that anything linked to Toni with regards to Palitoy can be trusted 100%. I know he had crap loads of Kenner carded aswell, but those were legit. As far as Palitoy and GM,s cards go, it will forever be conjecture. Thats why i dont follow or beleive checklists that have been assembled since this all came out because in my eyes they are scaremongering and putting out incorrect information which is very dangerous.

I also beleive Toni had Palitoy logo unused cardbacks too, but again thats just my own opinion...

Sorry can I ask why you 'believe' Tony had unused Palitoy logo cardbacks? Do you have any evidence to support this? I can understand how Tony got hold of Jedi cardbacks after the Palitoy factory closed in 1985. As we know there were a lot of Jedi produced compared to SW and Empire and what with that plus the life of SW toys sort of coming to an end at that time there was a lot of unsold factory/shop stock-hence why we c many Jedi pieces in fantastic condition today But surely during the SW and Empire era with the demand outweighing the supply I wouldn't have expected one to get hold of unused cardbacks

As said by other members I don't really think u can make statements without having any real evidence to back U up. I have been in the game getting on for 20 years and know a fair few serious Palitoy collectors but have never heard or seen anything to support your foul play beliefs regarding logo Palitoy MOCs

Your statements may well cause ill deserved scaremongering

Lee posted the same accusations on a separate thread which he has since asked to be deleted:-

This thread is meant to be for factual evidence gathered from the main discussion thread we were using for the investigation.Lee's comment on this thread is entirely speculative and has no factual evidence to back it up, and has no place being in this thread.

*Both palitoy & clipper or german & clipper offered on toytoni.com, so a 50/50 split assumed rather than assuming all are german+Clipper not listed, but offered on toytoni.com, no german figure offered^Palitoy variation not known to exist, assumed to be german which does exist

I have a White Bespin 45 Palitoy which doesn't feature on this list so I presume it's legit. I fear for my Chewie 45b and Hoth Stormtrooper though….Over the weekend I'm going to dig them out and have a look at the bubble seals.

Tony??? I only ask as it a 65 and the bubble is mighty long and the seal look suspect???

Just seen this cardback in a bunch i have buddy, hope this puts your mind at rest

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This is a Chewbacca 65 back card, with blacked out type on the back that was obtained from a childhood collection with loose figures and around 30-40 more cardbacks from other stores aswell. This card has a tescos label, and was definately shop bought back in the day.

I have added this as Iain was told his Chewbacca in his valuation thread was a TT when im sure it isnt.

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Palitoy78 wrote:Personally i dont think that anything linked to Toni with regards to Palitoy can be trusted 100%. I know he had crap loads of Kenner carded aswell, but those were legit. As far as Palitoy and GM,s cards go, it will forever be conjecture. Thats why i dont follow or beleive checklists that have been assembled since this all came out because in my eyes they are scaremongering and putting out incorrect information which is very dangerous.

I also beleive Toni had Palitoy logo unused cardbacks too, but again thats just my own opinion...

Sorry can I ask why you 'believe' Tony had unused Palitoy logo cardbacks? Do you have any evidence to support this? I can understand how Tony got hold of Jedi cardbacks after the Palitoy factory closed in 1985. As we know there were a lot of Jedi produced compared to SW and Empire and what with that plus the life of SW toys sort of coming to an end at that time there was a lot of unsold factory/shop stock-hence why we c many Jedi pieces in fantastic condition today But surely during the SW and Empire era with the demand outweighing the supply I wouldn't have expected one to get hold of unused cardbacks

As said by other members I don't really think u can make statements without having any real evidence to back U up. I have been in the game getting on for 20 years and know a fair few serious Palitoy collectors but have never heard or seen anything to support your foul play beliefs regarding logo Palitoy MOCs

Your statements may well cause ill deserved scaremongering

Forgot to reply to this.

Sorry if it offends, but they are my thoughts and thats it. It may well seem like scaremongering but anything is possible, and quite a lot of information in this thread could be deemed as scaremongering whilst we are talking about the word. Inaccurate lists, strange 'fake' bubble theorys and also completely contradicting 'evidence' in some cases. Unless each of these unused cards has a tracker beacon on it, and one man holds the tracking locater i find it bloody amazing with some things said in this thread. If anyone beleives that the guy who started this farce with a comment said 10 months ago, hasnt played any part in this then they need their heads looking at. Does it not speak volumes that he rarely comes on anymore??? If he does, id like to see if he would admit to an after factory bubble sealing???

Again, sorry but its my own opinion and ill ask for the post to be deleted if it makes you feel any better.

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jules_p wrote:I know there be a lot of posts of the potential Toy Toni scam all over the place including on RS, it quite hard to find what you want . The evidence for most part is circumstantial I gather?

So I appreciate your inputs on the 2 stormies below - any concerns?

Cheers, Jules

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You haven't pictured the backs of the cards.

If the storm trooper is German then it's a Toni, if it's palitoy then it's ok.If the snow trooper is a palitoy 65d then it's a Toni, if it's a palitoy 45c then it's ok.