Like it but I tend to like both the DEF skills that come early in SP, with a LU, so I think I'd go 10 ST 7 SP to start and burn the ST then not taking the 7 SP or burning the DEF (and RIP) skill.

10-8-14-13-13-5-7 -----> 10-8-14-17-17-7-11 LU

10-8-14-13-13-5-7 -----> 11-8-14-17-17-6-11 SL

10-8-14-13-13-5-7 -----> 13-8-14-17-17-8-7 BA -R+ comes at 12 ST, can't be bonused in DEC, and sometimes it comes 3rd in line for learns, so I'll take 10 DEC 8 ATT over 9 DEC 9 ATT

_________________A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.

Thomas Jefferson

The ConsortiumArchMaster Poster

Joined: Nov 23, 2002
Posts: 8976
Location: on the golf course, in the garden, reading, traveling, and now Consulting

Posted:
Wed Oct 30, 2013 11:51 pm

Our four "thinkings" would be as follows and we would select one:
11-8-14-17-17-10-7 SL
11-8-14-17-17-6-11 SL
11-9-14-17-17-5-11 LU
10-8-14-19-19-5-9 crispy burner LU

Our four "thinkings" would be as follows and we would select one:
11-8-14-17-17-10-7 SL
11-8-14-17-17-6-11 SL
11-9-14-17-17-5-11 LU
10-8-14-19-19-5-9 crispy burner LU

Which four of you made each thinking is now the question!

That Krispy Kreme LU looks interesting! A faux 21/21 9 DF looks awesome, it would just be hard (thought wise) to use a minimum of 6 turns, with a 19 to 21 WT warrior, on training stats.

Kind of a good example how thought patterns can be deceiving in this game if you look at it closer. You'd expect to learn between 12 and 18 skills in those 6 turns as an average; give or take. If it took you the perfect 6 turns to burn it you gain 23 skills broken down as follows: 2 INI, 3 RIP, 6 ATT, 4 PAR, 6 DEF, 2 DEC.

Depending on style those learns may look better or worse but it's hardly likely that any of the styles you might choose would see those as poor learns; even a ST or BA would take 6 ATT over a 6 turn run even if you only got 2 DEC like you do. As long as your goal is simply basic arena and not long term, short of Primus where those 6 burnt ATT come back to you.

I would think a LU would drool over 6 DEF, 6 ATT, and 2 DEC in 6 turns, maybe 8 as a likelihood!

_________________A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.

Thomas Jefferson

Last edited by Street_Legal on Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:13 pm; edited 2 times in total

Street_LegalArchMaster Poster

Joined: Jul 29, 2002
Posts: 3468
Location: The Big D (etroit) area

Posted:
Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:01 pm

One Armed Bandit wrote:

I would go with one of the 17-17 designs.

My first preference would be Buri's BA. I've had good luck with 17-17 BAs TVing Apprentices.

My second choice would be Consortium's 7 DF SL.

My third choice would be Buri's LU.

I feel like Rodney Dangerfield... I get no respect I tell ya'!

That was my SL design before Consortium yet he gets the credit? How is this fair ... I guess I took it from Buri anyways so!

Here's another option I thought of:

10-8-14-13-13-5-7 -----> 10-13-14-13-19-5-10 OTP burnt to 11-15+-14-13-21-5-11 starts with 7 PAR and with DF burnt first turn jumps to 9 PAR. Takes "a lot of damage" has positive ATT before burning begins and a 13 WT that can always be burnt to 15 for good quick learns (unlike a brick TP) since longer fights make for more learns, in general.

At it's key burn points DF/WL you can have 11 PAR by the 3rd or 4th fight. So the lower CN is misleading as the PAR skills you pile up mean more in many cases. How many 40 FE bricks are still not rated in PAR? Those that are can have all the CN in the world they still only have 1 way to win, exhaustion! This guy can hit you as a brick, an offensive, or a hybrid! Graduated an 8 CN TP, out of arena 47, with a 21-16-0 record.

_________________A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.

Thomas Jefferson

One Armed BanditArchMaster Poster

Joined: Apr 15, 2004
Posts: 2662

Posted:
Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:47 pm

Street_Legal wrote:

That was my SL design before Consortium yet he gets the credit? How is this fair ...

Sorry, but I liked Consortium's 11-8-14-17-17-10-7 SL, not that one with too little SP and too much DF!

The ConsortiumArchMaster Poster

Joined: Nov 23, 2002
Posts: 8976
Location: on the golf course, in the garden, reading, traveling, and now Consulting

Posted:
Fri Nov 01, 2013 2:31 am

One Armed Bandit wrote:

Street_Legal wrote:

That was my SL design before Consortium yet he gets the credit? How is this fair ...

Sorry, but I liked Consortium's 11-8-14-17-17-10-7 SL, not that one with too little SP and too much DF!

Some people see a conspiracy in every corner. (Perhaps it is a Detroit thing?)

I'm gonna go with one of the burners, either Consortium's or Stik's, I haven't decided yet (I have until tomorrow morning). Thanks for the inputs! What tipped the scales is, my last 2 burner projects turned out good, so I'll try another:

Last edited by _Buri_ on Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:24 pm; edited 1 time in total

Street_LegalArchMaster Poster

Joined: Jul 29, 2002
Posts: 3468
Location: The Big D (etroit) area

Posted:
Fri Nov 01, 2013 4:09 pm

The Consortium wrote:

One Armed Bandit wrote:

Street_Legal wrote:

That was my SL design before Consortium yet he gets the credit? How is this fair ...

Sorry, but I liked Consortium's 11-8-14-17-17-10-7 SL, not that one with too little SP and too much DF!

Some people see a conspiracy in every corner. (Perhaps it is a Detroit thing?)

Then again apparently some people just can't see apparently!

_________________A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.