Wrestling Discussion Thread

I know we got some wrestling fans on here. Wrestlemania looks like it's going to be pretty damn good this year. Rock/Cena is the big main event, with Y2J/Punk, Sheamus/Bryan, and HHH/Taker as the other possible big matches.

After Taker coming back last night, I gotta get tickets now lol, that sealed the deal, even if I get bad seats, I need to be there For Cena/Rock, I have no clue. The Rock needs to win though, another super-Cena WM win would be lame.

I try to keep up and watch it, but I bowl on Mondays nights so I dont get to see Raw. I never watch SmackDown or the PPVs.

Thats cool that Taker came back, although Im kinda bummed a little that its HHH. I know it was getting set up that way. And with Takers limited schedule now it makes sense to work with someone theyare familar with. Should be a good match.

I guess Y2J will full on Heel by Mania. If not it will be an excellent match with no plot.

Same goes for Bryan, It seems like he is developing a kinda Hell persona, and Shaemus is really gaining in popularity.

When the Rock/Cena match was made I would have thought for sure that Rock wouldnt have signed on if he was gonna lose to Cena. But Cena is also transforming his character, and may use Mania to make the full on Heel turn. At the least he needs to appear vulnerable. Getting beat on for 20 minutes then ripping off te win in 30 seconds is getting old. The Rock wont let himself lose like that.

I try to keep up and watch it, but I bowl on Mondays nights so I dont get to see Raw. I never watch SmackDown or the PPVs.

Thats cool that Taker came back, although Im kinda bummed a little that its HHH. I know it was getting set up that way. And with Takers limited schedule now it makes sense to work with someone theyare familar with. Should be a good match.

I guess Y2J will full on Heel by Mania. If not it will be an excellent match with no plot.

Same goes for Bryan, It seems like he is developing a kinda Hell persona, and Shaemus is really gaining in popularity.

When the Rock/Cena match was made I would have thought for sure that Rock wouldnt have signed on if he was gonna lose to Cena. But Cena is also transforming his character, and may use Mania to make the full on Heel turn. At the least he needs to appear vulnerable. Getting beat on for 20 minutes then ripping off te win in 30 seconds is getting old. The Rock wont let himself lose like that.

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Agree a ton with your last sentence. Cenw turning FULL heel at WM would be absolutely epic and the only way that I wouldn't mind him winning that match. Or he can lose and then snap. Agree about being bummed that it's HHH again, the only 2x in a row opponent should have been Shawn. I was hoping for Jericho/Taker at WM. Love that Sheamus won the RR though. Can't stand Daniel Bryan.

D. Bryan always seemed liek someone who had tremoundous in ring abilty but no mic skills. He makes all the moves look good and makes all the matches entertaing. Hes like CM punk with no charisma. Or thats what I thought. I dont watch Smack Down so I dont know how is heel turn is working out, but it seems plemty of people are giving him props for beign as good as he is on the mic.

What really sucks is that Truth got suspended right when he and the Miz were taking off. Truth is hilarious, and that heel turn a few months ago was classic.

D. Bryan always seemed liek someone who had tremoundous in ring abilty but no mic skills. He makes all the moves look good and makes all the matches entertaing. Hes like CM punk with no charisma. Or thats what I thought. I dont watch Smack Down so I dont know how is heel turn is working out, but it seems plemty of people are giving him props for beign as good as he is on the mic.

D. Bryan always seemed liek someone who had tremoundous in ring abilty but no mic skills. He makes all the moves look good and makes all the matches entertaing. Hes like CM punk with no charisma. Or thats what I thought. I dont watch Smack Down so I dont know how is heel turn is working out, but it seems plemty of people are giving him props for beign as good as he is on the mic.

What really sucks is that Truth got suspended right when he and the Miz were taking off. Truth is hilarious, and that heel turn a few months ago was classic.

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truth and Miz are stale now that Truth came back. Sad really as I really didnt like the Miz before the two of them got together and now that they broke them up I dont like him again. Miz just isnt good enough to stand by himself but as part of a team he works.

Daniel Bryan is a very good technical wrestler but he reminds me of Dean Melonko. One of the best in ring performers that just falls flat on the mic. Says alot about the guys ability though that he went this far on in ring ability alone because he hasnt cut a good promo in a long time. His mini heel turn is kinda good but at the same time its just confirming what Cole has been saying all along and kinda gonna end up burying the guy as a little whiner.

Glad to see people like Truth as much as I do, the guy is damn FANTASTIC. And can wrestle his ass off in that ring too. I wish he would have stayed heel too though, he was one of the most original heels in such a LONG time. He's still one of my favorites though.

truth and Miz are stale now that Truth came back. Sad really as I really didnt like the Miz before the two of them got together and now that they broke them up I dont like him again. Miz just isnt good enough to stand by himself but as part of a team he works.

Daniel Bryan is a very good technical wrestler but he reminds me of Dean Melonko. One of the best in ring performers that just falls flat on the mic. Says alot about the guys ability though that he went this far on in ring ability alone because he hasnt cut a good promo in a long time. His mini heel turn is kinda good but at the same time its just confirming what Cole has been saying all along and kinda gonna end up burying the guy as a little whiner.

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Dean Malenko had zero personality and was like 5 foot 5. Bryan is like 5 foot 8 and has a smidge of personlity. But they are kinda similar I will agree.

Glad to see people like Truth as much as I do, the guy is damn FANTASTIC. And can wrestle his ass off in that ring too. I wish he would have stayed heel too though, he was one of the most original heels in such a LONG time. He's still one of my favorites though.

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I always thought had potential, but he never had any chance ever to really shine. Im not sure what happened to let him do the heel turn. Some will say once HHH became more involved he let some of these guys take some chances. Hopefully R Truth doesnt get buried. He works good matches and is entertaing. Could make the US/IC belt matter.

Whats your guys' thoughts on Orton. I always here the older guys say he is the future. But to me he comes short on mic/personality much liek D. Bryan.

If Orton would have been around in the late 90's he wouldnt have been much. They gotta change him up somehow, but Im not sure hes got the ability to play a different character. The only thing goin for him is the RKO, but he doesnt apply that move half as good as DDP did.

I know alot of peopel like Orton, but he the guy I get the least out of all the big names. I dont liek Cena, but can see why he is such a draw. With Orton I dont understand it.

Whats your guys' thoughts on Orton. I always here the older guys say he is the future. But to me he comes short on mic/personality much liek D. Bryan.

If Orton would have been around in the late 90's he wouldnt have been much. They gotta change him up somehow, but Im not sure hes got the ability to play a different character. The only thing goin for him is the RKO, but he doesnt apply that move half as good as DDP did.

I know alot of peopel like Orton, but he the guy I get the least out of all the big names. I dont liek Cena, but can see why he is such a draw. With Orton I dont understand it.

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Orton's better as a heel than as a face. His stuff w/ HHH-the McMahons in the buildup to WM 25 was legendary stuff, probably the closest WWE's come to the Attitude Era the past few years. On that alone I'd say he'd be a great heel even during the 90s.

As a face he's much weaker, but he's still a good 2nd/3rd fiddle behind Cena and any face that gets hot (right now it's Punk, in the future it could be Sheamus). He's not a top top guy, but he's still one of the most recognizable guys in the company and has grown into the face role well.

I like him, but I know a lot of people flat out hate him now. Some even more than Cena. Orton's the opposite of Cena in that he does whatever he wants, breaks the rules, is a bad ass, etc. So for that alone a lot of people like him.

Flair and Hunter tried very hard to make Orton the man. He got every chance you can have. He has all the talent to be on the level with the greats of all time, but it just dont work for me for some reason.

If they want to give him the RKO, at least let him use it like DDP and pull it off from every different position imaginable instead of just jumping into the guys backwars and letting him do all the work.

DDP would hit that from the top and 2nd ropes out of firemens carrys and every toher position imaginable. The RKO is just getting stale to me.

Flair and Hunter tried very hard to make Orton the man. He got every chance you can have. He has all the talent to be on the level with the greats of all time, but it just dont work for me for some reason.

If they want to give him the RKO, at least let him use it like DDP and pull it off from every different position imaginable instead of just jumping into the guys backwars and letting him do all the work.

DDP would hit that from the top and 2nd ropes out of firemens carrys and every toher position imaginable. The RKO is just getting stale to me.

Orton's better as a heel than as a face. His stuff w/ HHH-the McMahons in the buildup to WM 25 was legendary stuff, probably the closest WWE's come to the Attitude Era the past few years. On that alone I'd say he'd be a great heel even during the 90s.

As a face he's much weaker, but he's still a good 2nd/3rd fiddle behind Cena and any face that gets hot (right now it's Punk, in the future it could be Sheamus). He's not a top top guy, but he's still one of the most recognizable guys in the company and has grown into the face role well.

I like him, but I know a lot of people flat out hate him now. Some even more than Cena. Orton's the opposite of Cena in that he does whatever he wants, breaks the rules, is a bad ass, etc. So for that alone a lot of people like him.

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I think Orton would have thrived in the Attitude era. he could have unleashed the whole never know when he is gonna snap gig much better during those days. As it is now he is held back like much of the roster in the name of pg. Is he Stone Cold or the Rock no, but he could have been right in that next tier of guys with the occasional push into the higher ups.

I do agree about the rko. Its getting stale. He hit something like 5 guys with it the other night in a row and they where almost identical each time. He has a long way to go before he touches the Diamond cutter.

I'm surprised he's done so well as a face so quickly. I thought he'd be a good face but not this good and this over with the crowd. He's just a big likeable guy who kicks ass.

Another guy who I think will be great once he turns face is the Miz. My bold prediction is that Miz will be the face of the company once Cena's time is up.

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sheamus is a bigger finley. They give off that i love to fight attitude. people get behind that and fast. you dont even really need to say much when your like that just go out and beat people up. I wish he would stop the Irish sayings thing especially when they dont apply to the situation.

I just dont get what the Miz does that is so great. On Raw he came out and just kept saying really to Kofi. how is that anything but i have no clue what to say and will just do this. Cena half buried him when they feuded and made him look so weak. heels need clean wins here and there to look good not so weak that they need a sidekick to squeak out wins or even compete.

Flair and Hunter tried very hard to make Orton the man. He got every chance you can have. He has all the talent to be on the level with the greats of all time, but it just dont work for me for some reason.

If they want to give him the RKO, at least let him use it like DDP and pull it off from every different position imaginable instead of just jumping into the guys backwars and letting him do all the work.

DDP would hit that from the top and 2nd ropes out of firemens carrys and every toher position imaginable. The RKO is just getting stale to me.

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Yeah I miss that Diamond Cutter, haha. I want to see Orton RKO out of a sharpshooter.

Its alittle bit different, but for some reason Its just so obvious that the other guy is doing 100% of the work selling the move. The Orton gets up and almost looks surprised that it turned out so good. He isnt known behind the scenes as one that goes out of his way to sell other peoples moves.

Alls I know is that I wanna be that funny little Italian guy walking around with a sock puppet...that strikes like a cobra! In the face of any hatorade Gladiator that dares stand in the face of his dreams. Man, that guy must get all the chicks. And, btw, did I tell you about the time I met, completely bumped into and looked up into the towering inferno of bulging disco mass that is Batista?
I said, wait a miniute, "Whoa...hey...?!!!" Just like a kid again, he was getting out of a chauferred courtesy Mercedes, with his traveler's bag, he could've looked like any other tourist, but he wasn't. I asked not for his autograph for a kid that I don't have, but...if I had? There is only very little doubt in me, that he would have given it to me. I don't want to sound, little homeo erotic, but this man was huuuuger than a rock the size of Boulder, Colorado. I mean honestly, there are no muscles that I've seen that can describe just how incredibly broad shouldered this man's shoulders were, and yet he kept a low profile. Was caught off guard, but not surprised by my instantaneous, "Hey...," though I don't watch wrestling like I'm still in the Shawn Michaels Rocker's era anymore...back when people didn't look at you funny when wearing streaking blond mullets to school...and, oh man, was I coool...still rockin' my new old school, New Jersey Gear high tops, y'all...with neon fungus growing out of them, now, (sorry, the leather's all chewed up now, so you know...).

My overwhelming impression was that, you know, we had a moment. We shared the same space and time, and when forced to look down to look up (sorry...my neon green toe fungus is so catchy, perhaps even a little bit smelly, or so, I've sensed for awhile now...), but this time was different. He may been the largest man made terrorizing machine I've ever seen in the flesh, large enough to not need to stand on mountains, to pull-down, preterrydactyl flying terrors that fly from the sky, back in the caveman days, for his little lady, and charming haromonies, "Please, daddy, we feel like eating pre-terrydactyl, terriyaki, sushi birds today." He seemed like a *genuinely* good guy, muscles that block the air, sure...but there's only so much you can tell about a man in a moment.

It was a glimmering moment, for sure. In the legendary hotel, there was a beauty pageant contestant going on at the same time, but he was just another guy checking in. Who kept his eyes to the ground, who looked down on the ground, but not at you. I caught him off guard, then we both nodded off in appreciative acknowledgment...the kind that does not depreciate over time. He knew, he appreciated, that I knew who he was...but did not really care, because I respected him, and saw that he was still just a man...even though his muscles were huge.

This just-in, way to go Google! You've just ruined my reinterpretation of Batista. Before...our eyes crossed paths, I thought he was a big, brute stiff with a heart of gold, when Eddie died unexpectedly, his tears sure looked real to me...but no real charisma of his own. I truly thought that it was his intimidating once in a man-made God physique that had shoved him to the top of the ranks, where he moved stiffly, albeit chiseled, he was not at all like that other Big Guy with similiar enough proportions, just slightly more jiggly, but he moved with *verve.* I'm talking about the ROCK, baby! You know? Now, that's a once in a lifetime, for I saw the VH1 special on his life, and so I know for sure what a genuine down to good earth person he really is. He's the kind of person, who'd eat out of a bucket of fried chicken on a street corner with a homeless bum, just laughing and having a good time, to make you feeel good, a better, more realer version than the real Will Smith.

But, after referencing Google right now, I learned that Batista was not known as a good guy backstage. But people can change, even Shawn Michaels changed. So I continue to believe that Batista is no diva, and that all those hot beauty pageant conventional chicks, who like clockwork, almost soon immediately thereafter, came out to smoke weed in between rounds, on a break, just after an early dinner...were not tempted to sleep with him, the bellman's face all covered up in bellman's clothing, I hardly even noticed..and, he, the star, the sexy man beast star who could still be so much better in life, could still travel, progress not regress so much further, with them. Just because he and they can, and could, and maybe did...hopefully they didn't, before the curtain fell that night.

Were it me, I would have preferred to bump into the Miz that day. Because, I saw him on the Real World, for ALL of those most critical, in between moments, I believe I know the real him. And, he is good, and I am proud of him. Though it does not matter now, but I remember how that constantly singing chic, and no one, really took this somewhat big, but not really ovelry THAT big (I mean he couldn't have been much bigger than the normal, everyday, big man, Jim Courier sized, beer garden/construction worker's ball, big...), and yet he still tried to impress. Only I don't think he was, that was just him, a loveable, bigger than average, big goof, who loves life, loves ALL kinds of people, and truly just LOOOOVEEESSS...wrestling. And such enthusiam for life, no matter the pursuit, no matter what the Jones's think of you, I think makes this guy pretty special.

Honestly, I did not think the Miz would ever have what it takes to be taken seriously, as just another dreamer, wannabe, pro wrestler who thinks he has a larger than life persona...and something to offer the world. But, he did. And, I bet that constantly singing chic all the time, breaking MTV's fine wine glasses around the house, did not ever in a million years think this ordinary buffoon with a Dino sized heart of gold, would go on, one day, to become the greatest, make-believe champion of the whole world...yeah, in a real fight, Andre the Giant, would probably just sit on him for the pin, but still, it's nice to think that big glory can still be achieved by ordinary, Jim Courier sized men.

I think the that Miz is one of the greatest, most improbable, comeback...awesomer, even more awesome when you comeback, just as humble and true, to your dream roots, stories in the world. I can still remember him returning the now emtpy Real World pad, to call it..."And, the MIzz-z-z...is out," but not dead. I don't care about the man's skills, I just think having a man sized heart, in a jaded grown-up world, is what's make you unique, what makes you special. And, the Miz can talk all he wants to fans like me around the world now, because he is the Zimost inspiring, and I just wanted to say thank you to Vince McMahon, for making the Miz not have to lick your CEO's ruthless, alligator boot sheen to make it all happen. I thank, Stephanie McMahon for being the candy apple...frilly, of his father's eyes, to make him feel everyday, like a more grateful, nicer guy than he ever was before. Our tales are not yet undone, I love it when people become who they were always meant to be, believers in good people, still instilling within us, the good and righteous things alone.

I wanted to post a 'booger eater' alert when the thread started but didn't want to be a hater.

In all seriousness, how old are the wrestling fans posting here (I'm 37 yo)? Not being a wise-arse, just curious. I loved me some rasslin' up through high school but I can't even look at anymore.

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I'm 22. Been watching since '96. Around the mid 2000s I stopped watching for awhile but got back into it in 2009. It's really the only TV show I watch regularly outside of PTI. I don't see what the stigma is. As long as you treat it for what it is and don't take it TOO seriously.

Speaking of, I had to present a speech today in my Voice and Diction class and we had to use a monologue from a short story, poem, movie, or play. I used Punk's infamous shoot promo from last summer, and surprisingly wasn't laughed out of the room for being a wrasslin' fanboy.

Kind of miss the days when WCW Nitro was still on. Because on every commercial, I'd switch between Nitro and Raw, and not do homework at all. DDP was always diamond cutting some fool, Stone Cold was always stunning some fool, Lex Luger always had someone in the torture rack, finally, Undertaker and Kane chokeslamming each other.

Post of the year from Clairharmony? Hilarious.
Wrestling is probably the best source of news coverage in America. It is on par with Fox and Cnn.
I watch simply to find out what is going on in my country.

Not sure what they do with the womens division. But how can any woman besides beth and natayle be halfway belivable in the ring with Kharma. The only way someone could win is by cheating. And all for a cheating heel diva. Especially if shes hot.

Bout time she is back. Yes I know she was expecting but the diva division needs her badly. Beth Phoenix can't carry the division talent wise on her own.

Also, I find it hilarious that Michelle McCool and Maryse..neither of whom were that talented, ran away once Kharma came along in the company...probably didn't want her stomping them in about 4 seconds flat in matches.

Bout time she is back. Yes I know she was expecting but the diva division needs her badly. Beth Phoenix can't carry the division talent wise on her own.

Also, I find it hilarious that Michelle McCool and Maryse..neither of whom were that talented, ran away once Kharma came along in the company...probably didn't want her stomping them in about 4 seconds flat in matches.

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McCool is married to the undertaker and they wanted to start a family is the story I heard so she walked away for the time being.

No idea on Maryse.

The divas suck 100% because of Laurantis. he got away from women that could wrestle and started hiring failed models to get in there. None have panned out for them. The few that could wrestle are now either in TNA or retired. He chased them off because they didnt have that look they wanted. Never mind they could wrestle at the same level as most of their men but they were not 5'10" and blonde.

McCool is married to the undertaker and they wanted to start a family is the story I heard so she walked away for the time being.

No idea on Maryse.

The divas suck 100% because of Laurantis. he got away from women that could wrestle and started hiring failed models to get in there. None have panned out for them. The few that could wrestle are now either in TNA or retired. He chased them off because they didnt have that look they wanted. Never mind they could wrestle at the same level as most of their men but they were not 5'10" and blonde.

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Maryse was injured and decided to retire/be Miz's arm candy rather than step back in the ring.

The best diva of all time was a former model (Trish). She worked her ass off to get better in the ring. These girls now don't work at all to get better. Even Beth is overrated in my book. It'll never be like it was during the glory days of the divas again. Lita, Trish, Ivory, Victoria, Molly Holly, Jacqueline, Jazz. Not only were they good in the ring but they weren't all cookie cutter blondes. They were unique and actually had characters/personas.

Maryse even though she wasn't the best in the ring was probably the best heel character of the divas. She should have gotten more of a shot as the top heel, I'd rather have Maryse's french b**ch character than Beth and Nattie's angry blonde characters. And Nattie has the voice of a man. Kharma's ok but the divas roster is so p*ss poor now that it's hard for me to get hyped about it. If she was around 10 years ago it would have been great.

The best diva of all time was a former model (Trish). She worked her ass off to get better in the ring. These girls now don't work at all to get better. Even Beth is overrated in my book. It'll never be like it was during the glory days of the divas again. Lita, Trish, Ivory, Victoria, Molly Holly, Jacqueline, Jazz. Not only were they good in the ring but they weren't all cookie cutter blondes. They were unique and actually had characters/personas.

Maryse even though she wasn't the best in the ring was probably the best heel character of the divas. She should have gotten more of a shot as the top heel, I'd rather have Maryse's french b**ch character than Beth and Nattie's angry blonde characters. And Nattie has the voice of a man. Kharma's ok but the divas roster is so p*ss poor now that it's hard for me to get hyped about it. If she was around 10 years ago it would have been great.

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Nattie is a joke now. the whole she farts thing is gonna bury her as a legit wrestler. I dont know who thought that was a good idea but its not. Plus she had a decent angle with the make the models cry thing, why kill that?

Beth has nobody to work with at all. If she did you would see the talent she has. Maybe with karma you will get that but as of now she is just coasting because her best cant be matched and it takes two to look good.

the rest of the divas are forgettable at best. I agree makes me want Ivory, Lita, victoria, Mickie, and Trish back. actually wrestlers that worked hard at their craft. I would even take a Debra who could heel manage over these girls.

which makes me think whatever happened to managers. they have about 1 right now with Vickie and she put dolph over really well. Also Swagger is having a mini run after they half buried him when he lost the title. They need more managers for guys that can perform but have limited mic skills.

Nattie is a joke now. the whole she farts thing is gonna bury her as a legit wrestler. I dont know who thought that was a good idea but its not. Plus she had a decent angle with the make the models cry thing, why kill that?

Beth has nobody to work with at all. If she did you would see the talent she has. Maybe with karma you will get that but as of now she is just coasting because her best cant be matched and it takes two to look good.

the rest of the divas are forgettable at best. I agree makes me want Ivory, Lita, victoria, Mickie, and Trish back. actually wrestlers that worked hard at their craft. I would even take a Debra who could heel manage over these girls.

which makes me think whatever happened to managers. they have about 1 right now with Vickie and she put dolph over really well. Also Swagger is having a mini run after they half buried him when he lost the title. They need more managers for guys that can perform but have limited mic skills.

Maryse was injured and decided to retire/be Miz's arm candy rather than step back in the ring.

The best diva of all time was a former model (Trish). She worked her ass off to get better in the ring. These girls now don't work at all to get better. Even Beth is overrated in my book. It'll never be like it was during the glory days of the divas again. Lita, Trish, Ivory, Victoria, Molly Holly, Jacqueline, Jazz. Not only were they good in the ring but they weren't all cookie cutter blondes. They were unique and actually had characters/personas.

Maryse even though she wasn't the best in the ring was probably the best heel character of the divas. She should have gotten more of a shot as the top heel, I'd rather have Maryse's french b**ch character than Beth and Nattie's angry blonde characters. And Nattie has the voice of a man. Kharma's ok but the divas roster is so p*ss poor now that it's hard for me to get hyped about it. If she was around 10 years ago it would have been great.

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Maryse I thought left to pursue a career in modeling. I honestly liked her character, but it was painfully obvious she was seriously limited as a wrestler. She couldn't even hold her own against McCool really convincingly and needed dumb gimmicks to get any kind of upper hand on Melina. The girl was insanely gorgeous, and knew how to play the bad girl role...but she seriously couldn't wrestle. I don't find it at all surprising that she left when Kharma showed up, because there was no way she could convincingly wrestle against her.

As for McCool, she was not great either. Slow, uncoordinated and only looked good because she was paired with Layla (who is way more talented). She got the push she got because of her marriage to Undertaker, and because Mickie James got canned and Phoenix got injured and Smackdown had no one else. She didn't deserve all the attention she got, although she certainly took great advantage of what was given to her. She however was an amazing heel character, and knew how to work a mike, even if she wasn't the best wrestler.

Then the WWE let go of 2 actually talented girls, well 3. They canned Mickie (dumb decision) then let Melina and Gail Kim go. I think Melina rushed back from her ACL surgury to quickly and was never the same, but she did it because she was pressured to by the company, then after she worked her tail off to get back she got released? um not cool. She was one of their top divas. Gail is insanely talented, the WWE just didn't want to recognize it. Kharma is in my opinion the best female wrestler out their today, and I hope the WWE lets her show it, although the only one they have that can give her a good match is Phoenix.

Kharma was Awesome Kong in TNA Impact. Is the Women's division better there?

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The womens division in TNA could destroy the Diva division with the exception of Kong and Phoenix hoping on one foot with their hands tied behind their backs, so yes it is way better...but then again they are all WWE rejects: Gail Kim, Winter(Katie Lea), Angelina Love (though she never made the main roster), Mickie James and Tara (Victoria) are all former WWE divas. WWE chased them out and TNA is all the better for it. Only Velvet Sky never worked for WWE, or Sarita. Velvet Sky is the bottom of their barrel and she is better then 80% of the WWE diva division

Personally I agree w/ Jericho. Punk has grown stale to me, his pipebombs lost their luster once he resorted to tired jokes about HHH banging the boss' daughter. But I'm a huge Y2J fan, always have been. So take my word with a grain of salt.

Maryse was injured and decided to retire/be Miz's arm candy rather than step back in the ring.

The best diva of all time was a former model (Trish). She worked her ass off to get better in the ring. These girls now don't work at all to get better. Even Beth is overrated in my book. It'll never be like it was during the glory days of the divas again. Lita, Trish, Ivory, Victoria, Molly Holly, Jacqueline, Jazz. Not only were they good in the ring but they weren't all cookie cutter blondes. They were unique and actually had characters/personas.

Maryse even though she wasn't the best in the ring was probably the best heel character of the divas. She should have gotten more of a shot as the top heel, I'd rather have Maryse's french b**ch character than Beth and Nattie's angry blonde characters. And Nattie has the voice of a man. Kharma's ok but the divas roster is so p*ss poor now that it's hard for me to get hyped about it. If she was around 10 years ago it would have been great.

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Can I get an amen? I miss Victoria, Jacqueline and Jazz especially. The Jazz/Trish matches and first Victoria/Trish fued were amazing!!