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Re: Cam Newton or his handler wanted money?

Originally Posted by jojo

Its going to go away in the sense that the NCAA is going to make ruling and end it.

I don't know what the NCAA will do because one has to assume that they know more than we know but right now Auburn is sitting where they want to be considering the story. I think they feel like this is not going to end in the explosion that many seem to expect.

We'll see.

That's got to be the most optimistic statement I've ever seen on the matter. When have you ever known the NCAA to "make ruling and end it." That's never been how they operate.

They gather. And gather. And gather. And deliberate. And deliberate. And deliberate some more. Then they rule.

If the FBI is now involved, as reported, you can bet they will milk their coattails for all it's worth.

This won't likely end well for Auburn. It's not going away and it stands a very good chance of getting worse.

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Re: Cam Newton or his handler wanted money?

I think the NCAA ought to make an effort to rule on this more quickly than they normally do. I don't think it's in their best interests to have Auburn playing for a national title with the possibility of having it revoked shortly after the t-shirts are printed. That sort of uncertainty can make a mockery of the BCS championship, not to mention the unfairness to the #3 team who missed out on a chance to play for it all. If it's Boise then it could be a once in a lifetime chance missed

Re: Cam Newton or his handler wanted money?

Originally Posted by Sea Ray

I think the NCAA ought to make an effort to rule on this more quickly than they normally do. I don't think it's in their best interests to have Auburn playing for a national title with the possibility of having it revoked shortly after the t-shirts are printed. That sort of uncertainty can make a mockery of the BCS championship, not to mention the unfairness to the #3 team who missed out on a chance to play for it all. If it's Boise then it could be a once in a lifetime chance missed

It's a fairness issue that is driving the quickness. Not only to #3 but to #2 in the SEC West.

"This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

Re: Cam Newton or his handler wanted money?

Originally Posted by Sea Ray

I think the NCAA ought to make an effort to rule on this more quickly than they normally do. I don't think it's in their best interests to have Auburn playing for a national title with the possibility of having it revoked shortly after the t-shirts are printed. That sort of uncertainty can make a mockery of the BCS championship, not to mention the unfairness to the #3 team who missed out on a chance to play for it all. If it's Boise then it could be a once in a lifetime chance missed

Auburn wants them to take as long as possible. You think they are going to give back all their t-shirts printed for SEC Champs? How about National Championship Champs? They will take all that money to the bank and wish Cam luck in the pros.

Re: Cam Newton or his handler wanted money?

Originally Posted by bucksfan2

Auburn wants them to take as long as possible. You think they are going to give back all their t-shirts printed for SEC Champs? How about National Championship Champs? They will take all that money to the bank and wish Cam luck in the pros.

No doubt it's in Auburn's best interests to have a slow investigation but that's it. The other 100 or so football programs should be pushing for a quick resolution

Re: Cam Newton or his handler wanted money?

Originally Posted by jojo

It's a fairness issue that is driving the quickness. Not only to #3 but to #2 in the SEC West.

#2 in the SEC West isn't going to play for a national championship and I doubt they can wrap up this investigation in the next week which is what they'd have to do in order to keep the #2 SEC West team from getting screwed

Re: Cam Newton or his handler wanted money?

Originally Posted by Sea Ray

#2 in the SEC West isn't going to play for a national championship and I doubt they can wrap up this investigation in the next week which is what they'd have to do in order to keep the #2 SEC West team from getting screwed

But #2 would become undefeated if the worst case scenario happens and Auburn's season was vacated. LSU would be guaranteed an additional game that gave them a chance for a conference championship (i.e. it's not just another game) and given #2 is #5 in the BCS rankings, it's not a huge leap that an NCAA ruling could have BCS implications not just limited to Auburn being removed from the picture.

BTW, I don't think Auburn's season will be vacated.

"This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

Re: Cam Newton or his handler wanted money?

Originally Posted by jojo

But #2 would become undefeated if the worst case scenario happens and Auburn's season was vacated. LSU would be guaranteed an additional game that gave them a chance for a conference championship (i.e. it's not just another game) and given #2 is #5 in the BCS rankings, it's not a huge leap that an NCAA ruling could have BCS implications not just limited to Auburn being removed from the picture.

BTW, I don't think Auburn's season will be vacated.

#2 wouldn't become undefeated. Teams don't get wins when their opponent has to vacate wins.

BTW, I think that Auburn's season will be vacated and the program be placed on probation at best.

There's a lot of ifs and unknowns but if the NCAA declares Cam ineligible, it's tough to predict how they would interpret the infraction and how they would deal with records. This is an unusual case.

Last edited by jojo; 11-18-2010 at 12:40 PM.

"This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

Re: Cam Newton or his handler wanted money?

Ok makes sense. I know when teams like USC and Memphis had to vacate their wins the team that lost didn't get a W instead.

Also on a different SEC note, weren't there rumors about UF having to vacate their Sugar Bowl win against UC?

Vacating a season doesn't effect the record of opponents-forfeiting does. My language wasn't accurate in post #157.

"This isnít stats vs scouts - this is stats and scouts working together, building an organization that blends the best of both worlds. This is the blueprint for how a baseball organization should be run. And, whether the baseball men of the 20th century like it or not, this is where baseball is going."---Dave Cameron, U.S.S. Mariner

Re: Cam Newton or his handler wanted money?

Bell told ESPN.com he is publicly talking about the payment plan to make clear Mississippi State did not break NCAA rules.

Yeah, THAT'S why you're talking.

Originally Posted by Scrap Irony

Calipari is not, nor has he ever been accused or "caught", cheating. He himself turned in one of his players (Camby) for dealing with an agent to get one Final Four overturned. The other is all on the NCAA and Rose. (IF Rose cheated.)

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Re: Cam Newton or his handler wanted money?

IF Auburn gets nailed to the wall and set on fire by the NCAA, it will probably be because the rumors are true about the FBI wiretapping McGregor (gambling proprietor, Auburn booster and business partner of Bobby Lowder, a name every SEC fan knows) and having Auburn dead to rights on a lot more than Cam Newton, information they happily shared with the NCAA once the figures involved were indicted and the wiretaps were unsealed.

Or that could all be a bunch of hooey. Guess we'll find out eventually.

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