Comments on: John Kasay shows up for work in Carolina, most facilities quiethttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/26/john-kasay-shows-up-for-work-in-carolina-most-facilities-quiet/
ProFootballTalk on NBCSports.comTue, 31 Mar 2015 18:07:46 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: thefiesty1http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/26/john-kasay-shows-up-for-work-in-carolina-most-facilities-quiet/#comment-1040910
Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:32:01 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127167#comment-1040910Just fire or release them and start over from scratch. They don’t have a union period. Individually, they can all go to hell.
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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:29:15 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127167#comment-1040905“…but if they just let this batch of pros go and start over, then the kids coming in would have more respect for the fans and the privilege of playing a pro sport.”

Your sport would never survive. That’s the point. It’s like saying a farmer should take 3 years off from planting crops. He’d starve. Only the hardcore 5% of the fan base would watch those games, your TV deal would get slashed. That’s the ballgame. You lower the salaries, you loser the quality, you lose the revenue. This isn’t Wal-Mart.

“Maybe it would get rid of the issues the league has with guys like Pac Man, Haynesworth, Marshall, Talib, Britt and the list goes on!”

Who forced the NFL owner to make these guys rich? No one. They made a decision, now they want a bail-out. Sorry, no dice.

You want to avoid paying Jemarcus? Don’t pick him. Trade the pick. Do some basic scouting. How about that?

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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:25:29 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127167#comment-1040896fanorredsox, I can be honest about myself, the world, and my fellow man. Why can’t you. We have thousands of years of human behavior that suggests the exact opposite of what you stated.

If you fire them all, they will all be signed by Dallas or Wahington – probably for more money than they make now. You also open up a rival league taking them and putting the NFL out of business.

A team of fourth-tier draftees (as no good college player would enter your draft because the pay would be low, opting for the rival league) would not be worth watching for most people. Your TV contract would be slashed, which puts you out of business.

And if you had the talent to play pro ball, you’d absolutely fight for the maximum you could get. Stop pretending you wouldn’t. You do in real life.

Like it or not, the NFL is competing in a labor market that has highly specialized people with rare skills. Therefore, teams will compete for that labor by offering lots of money. Look at baseball, Adam Eaton made $8M a year.

The NFL model is successful. If they were to commit suicide and do what you suggest, a group of wealthy investors would seek to replicate the NFL. They’d buy the talent, get the TV money, and get rich.

Because it is 100% about the talent, no one will watch scabs or walk-on talent across the board.

I am not saying that you are not right. These guys do have a unique skill set, but if they just let this batch of pros go and start over, then the kids coming in would have more respect for the fans and the privilege of playing a pro sport. Maybe it would get rid of the issues the league has with guys like Pac Man, Haynesworth, Marshall, Talib, Britt and the list goes on!

Easy on the whole “there is only 32 people in the world that can perform that job” line. I think they should fire them all. Take all of the college players coming out and in 3 years you will have enough talent in the NFL to make the games fun and interesting, but most importantly though you wouldn’t have greedy, self indulgent, over hyped individuals who believe that it is their birthright to make millions of dollars playing football. I would’ve given anything to have had that talent and have been more than happy making $500,000.00 a year to do it. You can say 3 years wouldn’t be enough time to restock the league, but the players base their need for exorbitant contracts on the idea that the average NFL career is only 3-4 years. So by that notion, basically one college cycle will make everyone forget about the today’s greedy incumbents who could care less about the sacrifices that the typical fan makes to see them play and to enjoy top tier athleticism.

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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:46:58 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127167#comment-1040463I got ya. But I have no illusions about my behavior – I will watch the game on TV (which is really all that matters as most of the money comes from TV).

Will I ever pay for NFL Network? Nope.

Will I buy NFL merchandise? Nope.

But that’s about the extent of what I can do. And they know it.

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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 15:34:59 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127167#comment-1040331Mooch- yeah man, my point is that this is a 3way situation (NFL, Players, and the everlasting/evergiving money machines (ie: fans), but only 2 of the 3 sides are at the table. The fans would have the only “real” power, but you can’t unionize a fan base of a billion random people out there, so that’s just a utopian idea. No real practical point or call to action here, just thinking about how great it would be if it could happen. Solutions would POUR out of the idea boxes if they though ALL the money would be taken away without a quick resolution.

So my take is that, sure, both the NFL and the players have the full right to argue over whatever they want, whether or not the general fan base has a say or not. But in a world where the fans could all trust eachother to keep their money in their pockets and present that fate on a deadline day to the league/players, this would be over real quick. We don’t live there though, so this is what we get.

I’m not sure what point you are making. My take was that you were doing the “because we can’t force the issue like the players can, then they shouldn’t be able to”.

Was that not it?

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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 15:06:28 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127167#comment-1040274John Kasay just wanted to stop by and talk with Marty Hurney and give his opinion on Cam Newton.
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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 15:06:17 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127167#comment-1040272Last thing I’m gonna say. If the fans would solidify and unionize/strike/keep their money in their pockets, all for one and one for all, there’d be a solution to this “problem” in 34.6 seconds. That, ofcourse, will never happen; fans love the NFL too much. But imagine if that love/money line wasn’t able to be taken for granted in this greed fest? It isn’t hard to do.

You may say “you’re a dreamer”…but I’m not the only one.

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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 15:01:43 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127167#comment-1040262Take moochzilla’s logic and reverse it. Let’s see how things changed if the NFL players skills were no longer blindly rewarded with cash largely from a fan base that has to cut all sorts of corners in their personal lives if they want to be able to afford one ticket to one game. It’s out of hand, no matter what your salary, occupation, skill set is or isn’t. There needs to be a reset. This is a far cry from the league of yesteryear. We were well paid, but the stuborn entitlement to such grand compensation was in the minority. These days, it;s the majority. Sucks.
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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:54:27 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127167#comment-1040234I think the comparison between the NFL situation and the situation of the people who supply every red cent the NFL situation is being argued about is pretty important. If more players and owners thought about it that way, we’d have a deal in place already.
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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:45:49 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127167#comment-1040214Yeah! Hardest working kicker in the business baby!!
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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:43:19 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127167#comment-1040205@moochzilla – I don’t have a job. I’m a retired professional athlete.
I have/had these “skills” you are suggesting i require, and I’m not naive enough to claim that there are 120+ college rosters stocked with people who have comparable skills who whould GLADLY step in (and appreciate) the opportunity to “pull up quick to get with” the luxuries and priviliges the owners and players take for granted. The fans produce every single dollar being argued over here, and they are getting nothing but a fat sharft for it.
So put that in your little blunt and smoke it. You can’t just go telling me what I can and can’t compare myself with. You don’t know me, and it’s hard to see what you know or don’t know from a high horse anyway…

I usually enjoy your comments though, moochzilla. Keep them up. this one was a little myopic though.

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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:02:08 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127167#comment-1040097“In an unrelated totally irrelevant story, the rest of america showed up to work an hour before, and they were not only were allowed to work, but they weren’t even paid a minimum salary of 500K for the honor of doing so. And the one’s who sued about it were fired and replaced in the same motion.”

Well, maybe you should acquire some skills and become one of the top 32 people on planet earth who does what you do.

You’ll see how things change.

You just can’t compare your job at the feed store register with even Kasay. He’s in a different league talent-wise, and he is part of a team that makes it’s owner a fortune. He’s what Tony Soprano would call “an earner”.

EVERYBODY IS AFRAID TO ACT PENDING A COURT OF APPEALS OR STAY RULING. Everything has become much more complicated and confusing, even for the lawers running the strategy !! I would not get too excited about the prospects of seeing an untainted upcomming season, assuming there is one, which is still highly in doubt!!

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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:31:37 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127167#comment-1040036In an unrelated totally irrelevant story, the rest of america showed up to work an hour before, and they were not only were allowed to work, but they weren’t even paid a minimum salary of 500K for the honor of doing so. And the one’s who sued about it were fired and replaced in the same motion.
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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:22:34 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127167#comment-1040024Nobody will show in Cincy unless they have a boat. The parking lot is flooded due to the storms and high river.
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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:14:31 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127167#comment-1040016I’ve always said kickers have the best work ethics.
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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:08:24 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127167#comment-1040011Stupid kicker.
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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:07:55 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127167#comment-1040010Here’s hoping that the players that walk through the door are met with a pink slip..!
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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:02:44 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127167#comment-1040006Sooo, they’re not going to workout…they’re basically walking in and walking out just to show that they “present” during workouts and therefore demand workout bonuses…

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Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:53:42 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=127167#comment-1039999Of all of the players that said that they would be there, why is the kicker the first one in the door? The KICKER! That’s just embarrassing for the rest of the players. The kicker? Really?
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