Did you actually read the first post in this thread, before you have posted here? The band you have posted has no valid releases yet, only a digital single , which is unacceptable under the current rules. Also, the one track on Youtube sounds like stoner rock, and the rules make a distinction between stoner rock(unacceptabl´) and stoner metal. This thread is only for bands that play a valid metal subgenre andat the same time, have some valid physical or digital releases, but there is only minimal info about them on the web, so this enables users to get the missing info and proofs, so that the band could be submitted and accepted in the end. I'm not a moderator, but I think , that you will be told the same thing by them. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7W6OjIWeCpw

Those 3 songs were taken from the previously unreleased EP "Into the Dark Vortex"The Digifile of this comp states, that he recorded 2 full-lengths (titled "Lair of Macabra" (2002) and "Nights of Possession" (2003) ) which are "not unreleased",so I assume he released them?

Seems like those are the 2 mentioned on the compilation + the unreleased EP, but it kinda lacks proof of their existence and since the 3 songs I heard were unreleased at the time, some more samples would be cool, even though they are quite straight-forward.

Thanks Witcher, but unfortunately that cloud storage rusfolder.com is long gone dead now. However, it was uploaded by zmlaiz, so now we know it's (most probably) one of the projects of Lord Zmlaiz.

Actually I think I can find him on VK and ask for mp3s.

PaganiusI wrote:

More Hate Productions has it listed in their catalogue, so you could probably buy a copy there.http://www.morehate.com/catalogue.php ->"Download catalogue releases of russian bands"Also the preview song on the label's homepage archive still works. Sounds like shit, not sure I'd call that a riff, maybe I guess, idk.[Edit: yeah, the riffs are there, I think.]

More Hate Productions has it listed in their catalogue, so you could probably buy a copy there.http://www.morehate.com/catalogue.php ->"Download catalogue releases of russian bands"Also the preview song on the label's homepage archive still works. Sounds like shit, not sure I'd call that a riff, maybe I guess, idk.[Edit: yeah, the riffs are there, I think.]

Needs research. - EllyGenre: Heavy MetalCou¨ntry : USA A christian metal band, which has released one demo cassette in 1992, the tape reportedly features two heavy metal songs and a testimony. One of the songs is named Death Penalty. audio file of the second song and a proof of physical releases is needed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUZVrGp11GM

Band : Elly Genre: Heavy MetalCou¨ntry : USA A christian metal band, which has released one demo cassette in 1992, the tape reportedly features two heavy metal songs and a testimony. One of the songs is named Death Penalty. audio file of the second song and a proof of physical releases is needed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUZVrGp11GM

Band : Elly Genre: Heavy MetalCou¨ntry : USA A christian metal band, which has released one demo cassette in 1992, the tape reportedly features two heavy metal songs and a testimony. One of the songs is named Death Penalty. audio file of the second song and a proof of physical releases is needed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUZVrGp11GM

Thanks for your input, I thought it was rejected for lack of info. There is one clear logical argument against it being a private release and that is the testimony of faith , which the tape includes. Such message is always intended to the general public, in order to convince the unbelievers and those, which are undecided, about the values of christian religion. Now why would a christian band put something like that on a private release, which is intended to be only for the band members, who are already christians , and for their family members, who already share their faith? I would like to ask the mods, if they could reconsider the rejection for this very logical reason and restore the original submission?

Thanks for your input, I thought it was rejected for lack of info. There is one clear logical argument against it being a private release and that is the testimony of faith , which the tape includes. Such message is always intended to the general public, in order to convince the unbelievers and those, which are undecided, about the values of christian religion. Now why would a christian band put something like that on a private release, which is intended to be only for the band members, who are already christians , and for their family members, who already share their faith? I would like to ask the mods, if they could reconsider the rejection for this very logical reason and restore the original submission?

Because they thought it was cool to have, because they wanted to convince their family/close friends that they really are Christian despite playing in a band that plays this evil, satanic music called Heavy Metal.Idk, a bit more backing info would be cool

Witcher's post is not the original Brainhammer post I know of that compilation and I own it myself (as already stated in my post about that band iirc).They are not acceptable based on that, but they might have released a demo at some point which is what I'm searching for.

In addition to that, nothing on that site states he owns it and the "collection" is his wishlist (stuff he wants).

Thanks for trying to help, though. Regarding the band Twatrot posted by you: I think you could submit the band with the link, which was provided by Halloween, since it proves, that the album was once officially avilable for download. It does not matter, that the download link is not wworking now, since you have the samples from elsewhere. IThe band Adamah submitted by me was accepted with similar proof, link to a download blog, where their album was uploaded with official permission from the band leader, sso I think, that you definitely sould try it. You should also include the links to their official pages, which were posted by me further below: viewtopic.php?p=2820074#p2820074

Thanks for trying to help, though. Regarding the band Twatrot posted by you: I think you could submit the band with the link, which was provided by Halloween, since it proves, that the album was once officially avilable for download. It does not matter, that the download link is not wworking now, since you have the samples from elsewhere. IThe band Adamah submitted by me was accepted with similar proof, link to a download blog, where their album was uploaded with official permission from the band leader, sso I think, that you definitely sould try it. You should also include the links to their official pages, which were posted by me further below: viewtopic.php?p=2820074#p2820074

Hi Witcher, thanks for your response, I just sent it to the queue with the link that Halloween provided

What about Grim Prediker? Another project from Pascal Payens (Void of Torment, Interfering Elements, Chainsaw Surgery, Hellish Breed, Planet of Mulk, Secret of Steel) We got no information about this band and eventually, no proof that this band is a metal one, but judging (-and really, this is a bit deceitful-) for the other projects this may be metal too, isn't it? Is there any information there? I'm searching now. I'll post here if I find something.

They seem to play a style comparable to Crimson Glory or Queensryche. They have released the demo cassette "Demo 1992". The only song title known to me is "Eyes Of The Nile". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67eKuf_mYxM

The Christian Tape Underground website is owned by Matthew Hunt, who is the same guy, who posts samples from those rare christian metal demos on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/brutalplanet7I think, that he will upload some samples of Entourage there, sooner or later, as he does it basically with all of his metal demo tapes. I believe, that he could be also the seller on Ebay, since a lot of the demos , which appear there, were also reviewed in his Youtube profile: Angelica, Equinox etc.

The Christian Tape Underground website is owned by Matthew Hunt, who is the same guy, who posts samples from those rare christian metal demos on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/user/brutalplanet7I think, that he will upload some samples of Entourage there, sooner or later, as he does it basically with all of his metal demo tapes. I believe, that he could be also the seller on Ebay, since a lot of the demos , which appear there, were also reviewed in his Youtube profile: Angelica, Equinox etc.

Regarding D'Gruve: I found an article, which is most probably about the demo band, since I was searching directly for D'Gruve Kill Your Gods on google. The problem is, that it won't let me access the site, because I am from an EU country. Could an user, who is not from Europe, please look at that article and post the content here? Thanks. https://www.nwitimes.com/uncategorized/ ... 0fd0d.html

Storm of the Light's Bane wrote:

The article is just about how they were influenced by Pantera, their lyrics, and that they were recording a demo. Nothing about it being released.

"We'd used to like Pantera a lot until we really started paying attentionto the lyrics," said drummer Jay Will of the heavy metal Christian band D'Gruve.A strong Pantera influence can still be heard in the gut-crunching guitarstyle of Josh McCormak, who co-authors most of the Valparaiso-based band'soriginal music along with his vocalist brother Jerry McCormack.Only instead of singing about "Cemetery Gates" and "Cowboys From Hell" likePantera, the D'Gruve boys look to the heavens for lyrical inspiration on songslike "Oh God," "I Need You" and "Strength To Rise."The McCormacks believe they can spread a positive message in the same mannerthat many feel negative messages reach teens - through rock 'n' roll.In April 1991, the brothers invited Will and the first of many bass playersto join their rock 'n' roll band to perform at Christian youth groups' rallies.In doing so, the seed that eventually begat D'Gruve was planted."We started playing together to try and get the message across to kids thatthere is nothing boring about Christianity and that being a Christian isactually cool," Will said. "We were trying to show them that Christians canhave as much fun with rock 'n' roll as anyone else, plus we get an extra gift -eternal life with Jesus Christ."Having "fun" and seeing the positive message of their music touch liveseventually prompted the band to look outside of their own Christian turf.While performing at churches enabled the band to help recharge and challengesagging souls, they realized most of their audiences already shared theirstrong spiritual beliefs."We saw a need to minister to people who didn't already know God," Willsaid. Focused upon reaching the unsaved souls of the area, D'Gruve set forthinto a dark wilderness of whiskey, wine and wanton ways."We decided to play in the local bars, because that's where the messagereally needs to be heard," Will said. "We thought we could reach people with aChristian message presented in a secular-style of music. We are reaching out tothe kids the traditional churches can't get to. Kids who think of church as aboring place where a guy in a suit and tie will beat the Bible over their head."In 1993, the dedicated trio met Dave Wallace, a bassist who shared theircollective vision. He has been responsible for the band's low-end groove andtribal rhythms ever since.D'Gruve has been preaching from a pulpit of heavy metal in such unlikelyvenues as The Thirsty Whale, J.J. Kelley's and Smiler Coogan's."At first I thought it would be a tough road," Will said, "but people reallyseem to enjoy our show."After storming the stage and assaulting ears with a barrage of power chordsand heavy groove rhythms, Jerry McCormack takes a breather and speaks to theaudience about their songs. Since the songs are about God, he talks about theinfluence and effect He has had on the members of the band. The singer's sermonis slipped in smoothly and is digested well by the sea of sweating music fans.While the D'Gruve sound is heavy and loud, their vocals are clear and oftenincorporate Beatles-esque harmonies."What's the point of having a message in your music if nobody can understandit?" queried Will.Their messages are varied - from promiscuity ("Mr. Plum's Love Tribe") togiving your whole self to Jesus and not hedging on your Christian commitment("Sometimes, Someday") to the wrath of God ("I Am") to losing one's faith ("MyGod").Marketing their heavenly message is the next step. Although they've hadnibbles from such noted national Christian recording labels as Rex, Star Songand Pachyderm, D'Gruve has opted to release their music themselves.The band is in the process of releasing a limited-edition, five-songcassette titled "Kill Your Gods."The demo tape is merely a means of testing the commercial waters beforereleasing their full-length debut album in this summer.Produced by Bob Ducat at Valparaiso's Watchman Recording Studio, the bandplans to offer it to fans on both CD and cassette.Pleased to see their audience growing with every show, the members ofD'Gruve believe their timing is right."With everything that is going on in the world today, people are looking forpositive things in their lives," Will said. "We try to be the vehicle thatbrings it to them. Every rock band is preaching something with the music. Somepreach to 'party hearty.' Bands like U2 and Rage Against The Machine preachabout politics. Other preach about environment or whatever ... Our bandpreaches just one thing - God."D'Gruve is scheduled to play a 7 p.m., all-ages show Saturday at theAmerican Legion Hall, 4 Monroe St., Valparaiso. Opening the show will be setsby Gadfly and Alison's Mailbox. Admission is $5.n Tom Lounges' Local Scene column appears Sundays in The Times.------------As Stormy pointed out, there's not much info given, but combined with the EBay link the sentence "The band is in the process of releasing a limited-edition, five-songcassette titled "Kill Your Gods."" is enough to at least confirm that the demo was publicly released.

ᴎostalgiʞK wrote:

Good news from D'Gruve folks. I got a response

[spoiler]

PaganiusI wrote:

Still lacks definitive proof that it's metal, sadly.Also I think that picture is already linked to the EBay auction that lead to their inclusion in this thread, but still nice to have it

Comparing the cover of the demo with the band photo on the german band, it's unlikely that it's the same band.

Witcher wrote:

It is most probably anAmerican band. The seller usually marks their demos, if the are from another country than USA. Judging from song titles of the _German Heartattack, there is no indication of anything religious or christian. Their demo is even called "Waiting For Passion:. It was also reviewed in the secular metal fanzine Undergroud -empire by Stefan Glas: http://www.underground-empire.com/review.php?idx=10453

Witcher wrote:

Regarding Heartattack: This review of their three songs demo, which includes three songs from the later Wake UP And Smell The Coffee release, describes them as playing glam/hard rock and sounding like a mix of AC/Dc, ˇGu¨ns'N' Roses and Poison. It does not look too promising for the band, I'm afraid...

Comparing the cover of the demo with the band photo on the german band, it's unlikely that it's the same band.

It is most probably an American band. The seller usually marks their demos, if they are from another country than USA. Judging from song titles of the German Heartattack, there is no indication of anything religious or christian. Their demo is even called "Waiting For Passion:. It was also reviewed in the secular metal fanzine Underground -empire by Stefan Glas: http://www.underground-empire.com/review.php?idx=10453

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So what about Grim Prediker people? There's literally no info I think.

If in doubt, keep it out Before bringing up a band here, you should be sure that there was a release (or at least a high possibility that there was one). There's no point in dumping every unlisted band that's on the archives here, simply because they existed, because more often than not they either never released a thing or aren't metal. (I actually check the bands for releases and metalness before adding them as unlisted, I hope most people do that )Really depends on the case. In this case, I found this:https://picgra.com/user/grim_prediker/2345840672with a post that says: