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timothyon Sunday August 24, 2014 @10:19AM
from the which-governement-holds-your-data? dept.

According to a Reuters report, China could have a new homegrown operating system by October to take on imported rivals such as Microsoft Corp, Google Inc and Apple Inc, Xinhua news agency said on Sunday. Computer technology became an area of tension between China and the United States after a number of run-ins over cyber security. China is now looking to help its domestic industry catch up with imported systems such as Microsoft's Windows and Google's mobile operating system Android. The operating system would first appear on desktop devices and later extend to smartphone and other mobile devices, Xinhua said, citing Ni Guangnan who heads an official OS development alliance established in March. It would make sense for even a "homegrown" operating system to be based on existing ones, in the way Red Flag Linux is. Conceptually related: Earlier this year, Chinese company Coship Electronics announced (and demonstrated) a mobile OS called 960 OS.

Much better to have just one choice and force everyone to use it.Easier to maintain.Easier to patch.Easier to harvest data.Easier to write malware for.Easier to infiltrate.Easier to monitor.For the users... not so great.

When they come up with the first Chinese programming language, they'll either leave the west in the dust or tangle themselves up for good. Say what you will about unicode domains, but without a common language, the world will always descend into us vs. them.

What bugs are you talking about? It's great that you've never used a decent Linux distribution. Indeed, it's a serious win for Linux that you are not involved with it. Just stop spreading lies and bullshit in between bids to be M$'s latest casting couch participant.

I gave up Windows at home a year or so ago. I use RHEL6 on the desktop, though I'll bet Ubuntu is a smoother "consumer" experience. My main problems are not "bugs" - and of course Windows is far from bug-free - it's that Open Office (and the various permutations) simply doesn't stand up to Microsoft Office, but fortunatly I don't use it that much at home. I'm not a "gamer", but it seems to me, that's one of the big hold-backs for the Linux desktop.

I would certainly never recommend Ubuntu. I haven't used RHEL lately, as I now use Fedora and Mageia. Most people don't need more functionality than Libre Office can provide. Microsoft Office is actually OK, but also still has bugs in it that have been there since I used it in 1990s, and if one really wants to run Office on Linux it can be done. They have also implemented the classic change it to be different approach M$ always has. The true irony is how people complain about "fragmentation" Seriousl

Most people don't need more functionality than Libre Office can provide.

People keep saying that, but I don't know very many of these "most people", and believe my, most of the people I associate with are not "IT professionals". Many "regular people" use Excel for more than you might think, and Libre Office Calc simply does not cut it. Also I think this "most people don't need more than Libre Office" sets a pretty low bar. Yes, you can get by with Libre Office if what you mostly do is write letters to the home owners association... Much more than that, and "most people" are goin

The fact that you think most people even know what a spreadsheet is tells me that you have no idea how most people use a computer. Most people don't know how to use a spreadsheet. They send and receive email, browse the web, and post their latest mood on facebook. As far as the M$ meme, there is a pretty huge difference between seeking to make money, and launching FUD campaigns, intentionally undermining standards committees, and using illegal tactics to make said money.

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Kde, gnome, mate, cinnamon, lxde, xfce are freaking damn buggy as hell from crashing, to buttons not working when clicking on them, freezing, icons disappearing. It doesn't mean this buggy shit happens everyday or every week it just creeps up unexpectedly.

Yes, that pretty much sums up what I meant when I said above "another crusty Linux distro coming up".

The weird little glitches that pop up on Linux desktop are the thing that get me.

What kind of shitty argument is that? The update system of Windows is way less intrusive than of Linux distros, which often have default settings that make the update manager pop on your face twice a week, usually with an annoying dialog instead of a discrete system tray icon. Besides, Patch Tuesday is always the second Tuesday of a month, not "every second Tuesday".

For a decade now, China has been trying to get business and government users to adopt Unix (and later Linux) as their operating system. Yet most Chinese businesses, and many government departments, continue to use Microsoft operating systems. They do this because Microsoft Windows is widely pirated in China, and there's a large amount of pirated software you can use only on Windows systems. Another critical reason is that more games run on Windows machines, and that is important, even in China. Finally, the Chinese government is more resistant to complaints from Microsoft than Russia.

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China has tried to get around this by subsidizing Linux training for Chinese engineers and computer technicians. The government also subsidized the development of the Kylin Unix based server software. Kylin is shareware, and anyone can download it. Kylin is also designed to be very secure, much more secure than Microsoft server software, and most other similar products. China has had more success in getting users to adopt non-Microsoft server software, but the real battleground is PCs.

I've heard variations of this story come up on slashdot since I started reading back in 2000. It seems like China is always starting some government mandated homegrown operating system... None of them ever seem to become successful. Here is what I could find just on the first page of a google search:

No, the Chinese government would probably WELCOME piracy of their O.S. because it would mean that their backdoored (it that a word?) O.S. was spreading even beyond what they hoped for.

The problem is that very few software companies like Microsoft would write applications for it knowing that the number of actual PAYING customers in China will be few. I think I read somewhere that a Microsoft exec. said they made more money in the Netherlands than in all of China because of piracy. The simple business analys

You're all flaming enthusiasm, aren't you? You mention compatibility problems as the main reason why we should expect this to fail - but, as someone who has worked with cross platform development, I know that this is only a small problem. It is perfectly possible - easy, even - to write portable code, certainly on the back-end of an application; I have done so across all UNIXes, Linuxes, Windows, and even z/OS, VMS and MPE/iX. The only problems arise at the front-end, but with proper engineering, it is not

It's not enough to simply put out a distribution. We need useful code that runs on it, new features (or better yet- improvements on the code itself, ie bugs fixes, etc).

However the problem isn't entirely the OS, but a lack of auditing. While insanely expensive every piece of non-complex code aught to have two eyes on it at all times and more complex code should have dozens.

Then we need good solid default security policies for different audiences that are easy to apply and separation of concerns. If we're co

When looking into video game consoles, I was stunned to realize that Xbox and PS3/4 are _not_ even close to being the most popular video game consoles in the world. The top three are all Chinese consoles you've never heard of. Population-wise, the US is to China as VietNam is to the US and I suspect the Chinese worry about Americans about as much as we Americans worry about the Vietnamese.

Our economic might blinds us to the realities of the actual world and that perhaps is the most dangerous flaw in American culture. Remember the ancient Egyptians, the ancient Greeks (both civilizations), the Romans, the Ottomans? (There is a similar litany for homegrown emperors in China, also, but no one talks about it.)

China has been controlled from the center for millennia; this is China's fatal flaw. Attempts to control population in a wired world is going to limit exposure to social and intellectual capital. Long run, it's a dead-end strategy. China should be most famous for wasting more social and intellectual capital than any culture in the history of humanity, entirely due to closing off possibility via control from the center.

China is no more "controlled from the center" than any other government-run country. They have local governments and bureaucrats, they have fiefdom cities, they have states/provinces. As with any other country, there is a hierarchy of management.

And unlike the communist days, there is little to no "central management" of resources in China any more, other than the government investing in large projects that would be studied to death and never approved here in North America.

Starting an OS is all very well. But until the first release and a usable, we have commonly about ten years, required to finish the OS. This was with linux, with windows... So Chinese programmers may make a new OS. In ten years I might consider it.

China and testing... I hope it is different from the famous Chinese Tamron lenses for cameras. If you are lucky, you get an excellent one with the quality equaling lenses five time the price, and if you are unlucky, you can send it right back... Because... testing?

I can believe that one motivated guy, or a small team of guys could write a workable operating system kernel from scratch in the time span of 2-3 years. And the Chinese government could require that applications be written for it.

The GUI layer is tougher, but maybe they could adapt Qt for it.

But what about device drivers? Unless they're using one of the existing standards, i.e. Windows, Linux, or BSD/OS X, then it's going to be a bear convincing vendors to write drivers for their new OS. Not good enough

KDE German. Linux Finn. The PC ancient rubbish that killed invention. They used to be so many different computer systems and operating systems government departments used to have custom-built OS systems for custom-built computer systems. My first job when I left school was custom-built computer systems and today 2014 Windows still runs like it is running on a 286
The Asians, the Europeans, the Africans the Americans should have dumped that PC geriatric a long time ago.
Son of a bricklayer Tommy Flowers di

I am a Chinese working as a China analyst at a think tank. It is becoming more and more apparent to many people, that the ruling Chinese Communist Party (CCP) knows it is on its last straw of survival.

The party is facing severe and increasing systematic stress on all fronts:

1. Increasing external oppositions from all other countries in the world including all of China's neighbours. They are forming more and more alliances and becoming more outspoken with rising strengths against China, in addition to increa

Old story long told though, If China is determined to utilize Linux-based OS in public domains, there are more investment on Linux, both developers, maintainers, and technical support technicians. More investment surely help the development of technologies. To name an example, high-speed trains in China is actually boost a lot of projects that increase common welfare and live level for major populations in China.
Let's hope that China take this serious and the bureaucracy don't boil it at all this time.

Oh good. Noob hackers need a new platform to practice on. Windows exploits are SO 20th century.
If their knock-off OS is anything like their knock-off lunar rover, it should be as stable and secure as the first release of Win95, providing no end of fun for wannabe malware authors.