The publishing window is now closed
Thanks to all who've entered, we look forward to playing your levels.
Please see this post (http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?78296-LBPC-Contest-10-A-Stitch-in-Time&p=1095249&viewfull=1#post1095249) for the official list of entries.

(14/04/13; DD, MM, YY)
You're now free to update your levels as they have all been played and judged, but the crew may still play them for reference so perhaps keep them published.

We’re back with a new contest to get your creative juices flowing again! This time (and we think it’s a first) the contest is for both LBP2 and LBP Vita entries. A Crown and LBPC pin will be awarded to the winner of each category. The winning LBP2 level will also get recorded.

The challenge is to create a level based on the theme of time travel. The level must feature at least two different time zones and you must build a stylish time machine to warp between them. Other than that the only limits are those of your imagination... and the general space time continuum!

So when will you choose? Jurassic / Future sci-fi, Wild West / Medieval, Chicago Mob / End of the world, Today / the 1970s? The sky’s the limit here, so just select whatever inspires you the most. The same applies to your time machine. We want wonderful crazy machines of all kinds: be they futuristic, steampunk or cardboard and sticky tape in true Craftworld style!

So whether you’re into logic and contraptions or like to focus mainly on scenery, story and special effects, there should be something in this theme for you. Maybe show some cause and effect between the player's actions in each time period, pile on the paradoxes or perhaps just wow us with your stunning interpretations of two different historical periods. We are really looking for originality and creativity in whatever way you approach the theme. On that note, we would love to see Vita creators making use of all those exclusive Vita features and showing us things that just can't be achieved on the PS3!

Good luck time travellers... and we'll see you later... or earlier... err...

Building requirements and rules

• Create an original previously unpublished level of any genre (except movies - see below) based on the theme of time travel. The level must feature at least two different time zones and you must build a time machine to switch between them.

• The level must include gameplay so no movie levels, please! It can contain cutscenes.

• One level slot/thermo per entry. No level-linking of any kind and for this contest no cross-controller levels either. Wormholes within a level without using the cross-controller functionality are allowed, however.

• Originality is the name of the game. That means levels featuring a Tardis or DeLorean as a time machine will be sternly frowned upon! Both are very cool methods of transport but we would much rather see something from your own imagination!

• Publish your levels between 1st and 7th April 2013 (final deadline is 11.59 GMT on 7th April) and include the text “(LBPC10)” in the title of the level.

• Post LBP.me links to your levels in this thread, so we’re sure not to miss them!

• All entries must be playable in either LittleBigPlanet 2 OR LittleBigPlanet Vita.

• You can only enter one level. This means you must choose to enter either an LBP2 or a Vita entry NOT BOTH.

• After the deadline, do not republish. Levels republished after the deadline will be disqualified. Exceptions may be made for quick fixes with respect to level titles, description, badges, or major game-breaking fixes, but only with the prior consent of the contest crew. If you need to request an edit, please post in this thread and send me a PM.

Also a little Handy FAQ for you all

Q: Can I enter a previously published level?
A: No.

Q: Can I enter a level I already have on my moon, but hasn't yet been published?
A: Yes.

Q: Once I've published my entry, can I republish it?
A: You can republish it during the publishing window as many times as you like, but mustn't republish after the deadline.

Q: When will the judging begin?
A: The judges may take a look at some levels prior to the deadline, but the judging proper will not begin until after the deadline.

Q: When will the results be posted?
A: We can't really give any accurate answer to this, but it will be no more than a month after the judging begins.

Whee! LBPC10, sounds pretty awesome. I will look forward to all the entries, thanks for posting this! Good luck everyone :)

.... Oh and by the way, I'm entering ;)

Jedi_1993

02-23-2013, 07:19 PM

This sounds great! I think I'll go for the Vita entry, got some great ideas already.
Was going to ask if we can enter LBP2 and LBPVita but you already said the answer :)
Gonna have fun with this!

thespacemonkey187

02-23-2013, 07:20 PM

Yeah, just the one level please. Good luck. :)

goranilic

02-23-2013, 07:22 PM

Yeah ! More good levels to play coming ! :)

yugnar

02-23-2013, 07:25 PM

Oh my gosh, you just can't imagine how fitting this contest is for me. Ehem:

The very first level I tried to make for LBP 1, 2 and VITA was about time travel, basically any of them fit the requirements; anyway, I have never ever been able to complete them.

Soooooo this is the perfect oportunity to bring all those ideas into a single entry! I am aiming high this time guys, you better watch your backs :P

If I can stop playing PSASBR, that is.

EDIT: Now the real question is should I make the level in LBP2 or Vita?

fireblitz95

02-23-2013, 07:45 PM

:0 This looks awesome, I will definitely try to make something for this. Well, I'll TRY. :D

Lordwarblade

02-23-2013, 07:46 PM

Sounds like fun wish i had more time and planet space. I can imagine some interesting levels coming from this one.

poorjack

02-23-2013, 07:58 PM

Hey all. I think I might actually give this one a go if I can get over the creator apathy that has been plaguing me since 2009. That's right. Creator apathy. It is a thing, and it is caused by bomb survivals!

Protoraptor

02-23-2013, 08:29 PM

Do you think I'd be able to make a level in which your sackperson travels to different time zones through 'rifts'? Like, parts of the level which are divided by shimmering visual effects, and on the other side is another time zone?

poorjack

02-23-2013, 08:49 PM

Do you think I'd be able to make a level in which your sackperson travels to different time zones through 'rifts'? Like, parts of the level which are divided by shimmering visual effects, and on the other side is another time zone?

Sounds like a great plan to me. But I'm not an official, nor am I really around LBPC much anymore, so what do I know. I am planning something similar, though I would center the time travel in specific around an object or something concrete to satisfy the "time machine" clause of the contest's rules.

thespacemonkey187

02-23-2013, 09:02 PM

Do you think I'd be able to make a level in which your sackperson travels to different time zones through 'rifts'?

The effects sound cool. You have to include a time machine to switch between the different zones though, but, time machines can come in all different shapes and sizes. use your imagination and i'm sure you can make your idea work. :)

Protoraptor

02-23-2013, 09:07 PM

The effects sound cool. You have to include a time machine to switch between the different zones though, but, time machines can come in all different shapes and sizes. use your imagination and i'm sure you can make your idea work. :)

Thanks. Perhaps I could use a machine that generates the rift?

Kaboosh99

02-23-2013, 09:12 PM

For some reason, this reminds me of Calvin and Hobbes. Anyone else? No? Okay.

I might enter, but I don't really have a lot of time to go on LBP nowadays. :frightened:

thespacemonkey187

02-23-2013, 09:35 PM

Thanks. Perhaps I could use a machine that generates the rift?

Exactly :)

Now the real question is should I make the level in LBP2 or Vita?

Tough decision. We think that adds a nice extra dimension to this contest.

Jauw

02-23-2013, 09:38 PM

Will the runner-ups be getting the LBPC Pin as well?

poorjack

02-23-2013, 09:43 PM

I will be making mine in LBP Vita, seeing as that is the definitive version of the software in my opinion. I like to call it LBP2+

Apple2012

02-23-2013, 10:11 PM

I'm joining this time. Can I use an LBP1 theme mixed with the cross controller DLC?

Ethan23lol

02-23-2013, 10:21 PM

Guess who has decided to enter? Me! I've got a unique plan/idea for my entry. :) (If I finish it in time, heh get it? time...)

thespacemonkey187

02-23-2013, 10:23 PM

Will the runner-ups be getting the LBPC Pin as well?

Sorry Jauw, just the winners.

I'm joining this time. Can I use an LBP1 theme mixed with the cross controller DLC?

We've deliberately kept the rules to a minimum with this contest, as long as you meet them, then it's pretty much anything goes. let your imagination run wild! :)

Apple2012

02-23-2013, 10:28 PM

We've deliberately kept the rules to a minimum with this contest, as long as you meet them, then it's pretty much anything goes. let your imagination run wild! :)

Thank you. One trick here is to use all the level DLC I can.

Here's what I planned. I would go through some archeological theme at start and warp to the year AD 4012 (4012 C.E. on the other hand) at the end.

Jauw

02-23-2013, 11:33 PM

Can you enter with more than one creator? In this case 2 :) I know there's only 1 Crown and 1 Pin...

AIRON-MEGA-X

02-23-2013, 11:49 PM

Going to join this one for sure!

-EDIT-
Ehh, I can use the wormhole? (I don't understood that rule.)

WESFUN

02-24-2013, 12:25 AM

hmmmmmm I so want to do this but dont know if I have the time to do it :D ill try anyways

L-I-M-I

02-24-2013, 12:40 AM

Good Luck to all the entrants, I very much look forward to seeing the awesomeness, I wanna see some grooviness. Please remember typically wheneveryour past self(s) "wink wink" see you it tends to screw up the time continium

TheOfficialKing

02-24-2013, 01:14 AM

This will be the first crown competion I'll ever join, I can't wait.

RtooDee2

02-24-2013, 01:22 AM

..."Hello Crown contest!! Long time no see!" Take my name and rubber stamp it onto your participant list please? My LBPC10 entry is on the way! Good luck to everyone involved, including the judges cause i got a feeling that there will be a lot of awsome entries to work through here.

Let the games begin!

ForgottenEnigma

02-24-2013, 01:32 AM

Can you enter with more than one creator? In this case 2 :) I know there's only 1 Crown and 1 Pin...

As usual, the crown and pin will be awarded to the account that publishes the entry but we don't usually stop friends from helping you.

-EDIT-
Ehh, I can use the wormhole? (I don't understood that rule.)

The worm hole is a tool added with the cross controller DLC, we're simply saying you can use it... it's not required but you can if you want. Just remember - originality wins points with us.

Youth_Forever

02-24-2013, 01:35 AM

Already have a level planned out called "TEMPA DESTINY" that deals with time travelling. The whole original soundtrack has already been made, I already hired all my helpers, and am ready to compete. Here is the story.

Start in England, where a lab there needs a diamond, a specific diamond, from 500 B.C. in Mexico. More specifically, the mayans.

You go back in time (time machine has not been decided) and go into a mayan world, where you spawn in a field of greenery. You go through the woods, and into a temple. Once there you go through the temple, get the diamond, and leave the temple.

You go back to the place you spawned in the mayan world, and retrieve the diamond.

But once you get back to England, there is a twist... :)

-----

Good luck to everyone, and make this the best 1st contest I have been in! :D

Seku

02-24-2013, 01:55 AM

Sorry Jauw, just the winners.

Winner(s)? Does that mean pins are awarded to significant 'teammates'? Or only the publisher?

Good luck everyone. This contest is sure to produce some outstanding levels. Can't wait!!

ForgottenEnigma

02-24-2013, 02:10 AM

Winner(s)? Does that mean pins are awarded to significant 'teammates'? Or only the publisher?

Only the publisher - the term "winners" was used as there will be a winner for both lbp2 and vita. You CANNOT enter a level for both... so choose wisely.

yugnar

02-24-2013, 02:37 AM

Little question! Do these time periods have to be identificable with time periods such as jurassic, wild west, etc. or can we take this time travel concept and create something like travelling between a city in all its glory and then using the time machine to travel to its ruins?

ForgottenEnigma

02-24-2013, 02:48 AM

Little question! Do these time periods have to be identificable with time periods such as jurassic, wild west, etc. or can we take this time travel concept and create something like travelling between a city in all its glory and then using the time machine to travel to its ruins?

As long as you travel through time you can do whatever you want as far as destinations go!

SLS10

02-24-2013, 03:48 AM

I have a horrendously cruel idea for this. It will be Esmereldian - but at the same time I will try. Let's hope I get the top prize this time. B)

piratebay87

02-24-2013, 03:49 AM

I would like to enter too please I would love to be in this my psn ID is piratebay87.. I'm going to make my level in vita :P

poorjack

02-24-2013, 04:54 AM

Horrendously vague yet deeply metaphorical time travel level CHECK! Now I just need to tweak some things here and there. I got so much inspiration today at work for some reason. I literally stopped working to start this level.

gamerguy5432

02-24-2013, 05:50 AM

I might try this. You cant pass up the opportunity to get a crown... And I like this theme. Should be fun! 8D

Djaovbirdx

02-24-2013, 08:21 AM

This seems to be a fun competition! I'm entering! :)

Jauw

02-24-2013, 09:15 AM

I'm sorry but I have to get this straight: Me and Seku are working together, since I already have the Crown, would Seku get the crown? And I'll get the pin? I see that the crown will be awarded to the publisher, but will the pin do aswell?

Thanks!

--Jauw

OmegaSlayer

02-24-2013, 09:57 AM

Good luck peeps

shropshirelass

02-24-2013, 10:07 AM

@Jauw2 - The Crown will definitely go to the account under which the level is published. If it's a true co-create level then there may be some flexibility to award the pin to the other team member instead. We wouldn't want to be awarding pins to someone who just helped out a little on a level, however, so it would have to be a genuine joint effort. :)

Awesome_Guy

02-24-2013, 12:29 PM

Finally :D I have the best plot for this :3

idgowans

02-24-2013, 01:05 PM

How interesting...hopefully this'll be a chance to connect to this community more! Count me in!! :D

avundcv

02-24-2013, 01:58 PM

Yay! Thats a fantastic idea!
I translated this contest content into german for those Sackys who maybe have some problems to understand each detail.
I hope thats ok :)

You can find the translation here: http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?78317-LBPC-Contest-10-A-stitch-in-time&p=1087143#post1087143

ForgottenEnigma

02-24-2013, 02:02 PM

Yay! Thats a fantastic idea!
I translated this contest content into german for those Sackys who maybe have some problems to understand each detail.
I hope thats ok :)

You can find the translation here: http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?78317-LBPC-Contest-10-A-stitch-in-time&p=1087143#post1087143

Much appreciated,

and of course it's ok.

Djaovbirdx

02-24-2013, 02:25 PM

I have a question. Can you make it as a minigame?

Apple2012

02-24-2013, 02:31 PM

I've already built my template for the level, but I have a question about visuals. The visuals is the only issue I have, so without joining me, what do people mean by "good visuals"?

theIronHorse

02-24-2013, 02:48 PM

Sign me up for this contest! :p

TheBa2ti

02-24-2013, 03:19 PM

I'm in.
This sounds like a lot of fun.
Nearly got the main Logic done, next step: Gameplay and Level design.
I feel like a little child at christmas.
Hehe

Good Luck everyone

ForgottenEnigma

02-24-2013, 03:21 PM

I have a question. Can you make it as a minigame?

Go for it

poorjack

02-24-2013, 03:31 PM

I've already built my template for the level, but I have a question about visuals. The visuals is the only issue I have, so without joining me, what do people mean by "good visuals"?

This is a tricky question, I would say good visuals is a strong sense of visual cohesion, and a solid, but limited palate for your level. Understanding of shapes, and negative space, and placement of objects in the level is also an element.

1111dav9

02-24-2013, 03:35 PM

I am entering. TIME TRAVEL, HERE I COME! :D

cakito123

02-24-2013, 03:48 PM

.... Oh and by the way, I'm entering ;)

You don't already have a crown? :confused:
I'm entering too! On LPBVita.

D_1998_BR

02-24-2013, 03:55 PM

I'm in! I'll leave my minigame for some time and work on this level.
A crown would make a great birthday gift! (April 11th)

Pookachoo

02-24-2013, 04:16 PM

I've already built my template for the level, but I have a question about visuals. The visuals is the only issue I have, so without joining me, what do people mean by "good visuals"?

This is a tricky question, I would say good visuals is a strong sense of visual cohesion, and a solid, but limited palate for your level. Understanding of shapes, and negative space, and placement of objects in the level is also an element.

Of course "good" is a subjective term, basically we want to see that you've put thought into your visual style and made an effort to fit that style with the rest of your level.
A limited palate is a good suggestion because it helps keep your level from overheating, and that's often a problem for creators (like me) who like to make visually complicated levels.

poorjack

02-24-2013, 04:41 PM

A level can still be visually complex and keep to a limited palate. Comphermc is the master when it comes to this kind of jazz. He uses roughly 3-4 materials per level and never seems to go over, but his levels are eye candy.

Apple2012

02-24-2013, 04:54 PM

Thanks for giving me the details about visuals. I use more than one material to avoid bland visuals (like in my Glow World level).

What about time? Does my Platformer have to be shorter than 10 minutes to get a special costume piece (crown)?

poorjack

02-24-2013, 05:16 PM

I didn't read anything about time constraints, but I could be wrong. Also, I always love levels that go past a few minutes. Usually then end up funner, but quantity =/= quality, so keep that in mind.

Rough-Tea

02-24-2013, 06:08 PM

On that note, we would love to see Vita creators making use of all those exclusive Vita features and showing us things that just can't be achieved on the PS3!

Would it be possible for a Vita Level to win, if it doesnt feature the new features lol... ? U know it really gets old after a while.... often enough this touchy touchy, tilty tilty things just gets used for the sake of it.... its not that lbpv is all about that...

Do u put much weight on this aspect or would it be possible for a real quality level on the vita to win, even if it doesnt include any of the new vita features?

poorjack

02-24-2013, 06:16 PM

True dat. I've had just about enough poking and waggling in my games. My vita level will be vary traditional. I hate waggling.

Pulparindo15

02-24-2013, 06:19 PM

Yay! Count me in! :)

thespacemonkey187

02-24-2013, 06:22 PM

@Rough-Tea. Yes it is possible. The vita level that impresses us the most will win, simple :)

shropshirelass

02-24-2013, 06:46 PM

Would it be possible for a Vita Level to win, if it doesnt feature the new features lol... ? U know it really gets old after a while.... often enough this touchy touchy, tilty tilty things just gets used for the sake of it.... its not that lbpv is all about that...

Do u put much weight on this aspect or would it be possible for a real quality level on the vita to win, even if it doesnt include any of the new vita features?

Absolutely, lol! As a player I just get a real heart sink every time I see that the rear touch screen needs to be used for platforming! It's the overall experience that counts and if you can make an interesting and imaginative level without using all the frilly bits, feel free! We just want to find levels that make us go "wow, that was cool" and there are so many different ways of doing that. Just pick what suits you as a creator.

poorjack

02-24-2013, 07:03 PM

As a player I just get a real heart sink every time I see that the rear touch screen needs to be used for platforming!
I feel the same way. The rear touch is good for some things, but LBP lends itself mostly to platforming, for which the rear touch is little more than a gimmick.

Pookachoo

02-24-2013, 07:38 PM

Thanks for giving me the details about visuals. I use more than one material to avoid bland visuals (like in my Glow World level).

What about time? Does my Platformer have to be shorter than 10 minutes to get a special costume piece (crown)?

Your level should be as long as it needs to be ;)
I mean go with what feels natural for your individual level, based on the style of gameplay and what the player has to do. You don't want to rush the player, but it's better to have them leave wanting more, rather than slow down the pace of your level to much.

Jauw

02-24-2013, 08:07 PM

• Create an original previously unpublished level of any genre (except movies - see below) based on the theme of time travel. The level must feature at least two different time zones and you must build a time machine to switch between them.

Can the Time Machine be a remote control, instead of physically walking into the machine?

poorjack

02-24-2013, 08:13 PM

Can the Time Machine be a remote control, instead of physically walking into the machine?

The way I took it, there just has to be a "time machine" in the level for use switching between time zones. It doesn't matter if it is a physical mechanism, or something completely static, so long as it is a totem that takes you from one time to another.

ForgottenEnigma

02-24-2013, 08:18 PM

Can the Time Machine be a remote control, instead of physically walking into the machine?

The way I took it, there just has to be a "time machine" in the level for use switching between time zones. It doesn't matter if it is a physical mechanism, or something completely static, so long as it is a totem that takes you from one time to another.

The golden rule is to be creative, you can take the concept of time machine in any direction you like.

idgowans

02-24-2013, 08:53 PM

I have a question; does this have to be multi-player compatable, or can we make them 1 player only? Because the way I'm doing it really needs to be 1 player, otherwise I may have to drop out.

thespacemonkey187

02-24-2013, 08:57 PM

@idgowans - creating a single player level is fine. :)

Dav1d0's edit:

If you want to make sure we play it single player, you could always leave a message in the title.

E.g. (LBPC10) <> (1 player only)

End of edit.

Apple2012

02-24-2013, 09:27 PM

I seem to be comfortable with what I'm making. Here's the final question: Can I have a script in the level (where the sackbots talk to you in the level)? I already set out a character in the level.

I don't know about winning this time, because a lot are joining, and it'll be tough odds. Good thing I'm working on the level right now.

poorjack

02-24-2013, 09:51 PM

The golden rule is to be creative, you can take the concept of time machine in any direction you like.

I feel like I am going to have to quote you on that... One sec, let me get a screencap... Ok. ;)

Pookachoo

02-24-2013, 10:13 PM

I seem to be comfortable with what I'm making. Here's the final question: Can I have a script in the level (where the sackbots talk to you in the level)? I already set out a character in the level.

I don't know about winning this time, because a lot are joining, and it'll be tough odds. Good thing I'm working on the level right now.

Talking Sackbots are fine :)

idgowans

02-24-2013, 10:13 PM

Okay, thanks for clarifying!! ^_^

ForgottenEnigma

02-24-2013, 10:15 PM

I feel like I am going to have to quote you on that... One sec, let me get a screencap... Ok. ;)

Smells like a cunning plan... I LOVE CUNNING PLANS!

HellYeah1982

02-24-2013, 10:57 PM

ok guys i'm in... want that crown.

Apple2012

02-25-2013, 12:27 AM

ok guys i'm in... want that crown.

Everybody wants the crown, including apples.

gamerguy5432

02-25-2013, 02:38 AM

Can the two time periods be earlier that day and later that day, or do they have to be farther apart?

ForgottenEnigma

02-25-2013, 02:45 AM

Can the two time periods be earlier that day and later that day, or do they have to be farther apart?

If you have a good time travel idea that takes place in one day go ahead!

From the rules:

So when will you choose? Jurassic / Future sci-fi, Wild West / Medieval, Chicago Mob / End of the world, Today / the 1970s?

Luke_MK_II

02-25-2013, 06:06 AM

good luck everyone ;)

Mr_Fusion

02-25-2013, 09:20 AM

That means levels featuring a DeLorean as a time machine will be sternly frowned upon!

*puts DeLorean back onto truck*

http://i7.lbp.me/img/ft/7574053ad7a6c49203b011dc963c4871b6e55cdf.jpg

Dansku1698

02-25-2013, 10:13 AM

Cool, I'm probably in! :)

BillyCrash100

02-25-2013, 05:05 PM

Cool, I have some questions, sorry if they were answered before :P

1. Are we allowed to use a controllinator to control a sackbot instead of Sackboy?
2. How exactly should the time machine should be created? It could be anything like grabbing a sponge which activates a checkpoint or something than can be entered (like TARDIS) and move the player (without killing him or using a controllinator to teleport him)

Sorry if my english is bad :P

Protoraptor

02-25-2013, 05:10 PM

Rrgh! I've used up 80% of the thermo and I've only done about 1/6 of the level. Sackboy hasn't even met the main character yet! Any tips on how to lower the thermo?

BillyCrash100

02-25-2013, 05:12 PM

Rrgh! I've used up 80% of the thermo and I've only done about 1/6 of the level. Sackboy hasn't even met the main character yet! Any tips on how to lower the thermo?

Hmmm... try using less materials, you can take a photo of a material then stick it on cardboard, it's not the same, but it consumes less thermo :P

ForgottenEnigma

02-25-2013, 05:14 PM

Cool, I have some questions, sorry if they were answered before :P

1. Are we allowed to use a controllinator to control a sackbot instead of Sackboy?
2. How exactly should the time machine should be created? It could be anything like grabbing a sponge which activates a checkpoint or something than can be entered (like TARDIS) and move the player (without killing him or using a controllinator to teleport him)

Sorry if my english is bad :P

1. Yes.
2. Anyway you want, the more original the better.

Rrgh! I've used up 80% of the thermo and I've only done about 1/6 of the level. Sackboy hasn't even met the main character yet! Any tips on how to lower the thermo?

Well now... that's part of the challenge. However the site's tutorial sections might help.

pj15

02-25-2013, 05:21 PM

my heart is pounding with excitement, iv been waiting to here about a new contest, and wow finally this might be an awesome one. in my opinion that last couple were a bit off the wall with LBP physics, mechanics being an issue. but this one for sure will bring many levels, especially now the vita stuff is super futuristic and pretty, i'm a bit jealous i don't have, maybe a disadvantage. and i'm sure we will see those back to the future levels again, run for it Marty! haa. this seems very doable for all to give it a shot. well hopefully my pencil has more magic left in it because i think that crown would make my bald head look pretty hahaha. good luck to all , this will be fun to see .

Pookachoo

02-25-2013, 05:42 PM

Rrgh! I've used up 80% of the thermo and I've only done about 1/6 of the level. Sackboy hasn't even met the main character yet! Any tips on how to lower the thermo?

Take a look at this for thermo saving tips: http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?73706-Artistic-Levels-without-Lag

Kapum

02-25-2013, 06:23 PM

Yay! New contest! I will enter if I come up with a good idea! ;)

cakito123

02-25-2013, 06:38 PM

I do have a question.
How do you guys will judge the history? In this contest, the history will count more than the level itself? because my story isn't that thing (but contains the time travel theme). Also, is it difficult to create a cool story without a level link...

TheBa2ti

02-25-2013, 07:25 PM

I dont't think it depends much on "real" history. Like mentioned before you are even able to make the beginning and the end of one day as seperate timeperiods.
Creativity is the name of the game ;)

p-p-j

02-25-2013, 07:27 PM

Another Creating Contest... Make a playing contest sometime!

Mr_Fusion

02-25-2013, 07:46 PM

There was quite an involved play contest for the 100th spotlight celebrations not that long ago, it had high score challenges, a tricky game of finding clues hidden through some folks levels and a challenge to recreate some in game photos.

Drico-JD

02-25-2013, 08:52 PM

I am on this like fire and Ice

biorogue

02-25-2013, 10:44 PM

Another Creating Contest... Make a playing contest sometime!

The spotlight crew threw a massive "play" contest for spotlight 100. Where were you?

There was quite an involved play contest for the 100th spotlight celebrations not that long ago, it had high score challenges, a tricky game of finding clues hidden through some folks levels and a challenge to recreate some in game photos.

yup, we had the high score challenge, a scavenger hunt, a trivia contest, all kinds of goodness but sadly, not many participated. This hurt the spotlight crew's feelings immensely.

MattTheWorm

02-25-2013, 11:02 PM

Me, my friend, and his brother are entering the contest. :)

pj15

02-25-2013, 11:35 PM

Maybe its becuase we never got the memo, dang i would have entered the play contest. We all get busy once in awhile . Nd dont get a chance to stop in. But normaly i get a notification from the lbp app for contests, but not that one.

cradle2grave

02-25-2013, 11:44 PM

Cool! I'm fairly new here and was waiting for the first 'Big Contest' and here it is :)
Hopefully I can make enough time to create something for this - I'll try my best :D
Cheers to everyone <3

poorjack

02-26-2013, 04:57 AM

The spotlight crew threw a massive "play" contest for spotlight 100. Where were you?
yup, we had the high score challenge, a scavenger hunt, a trivia contest, all kinds of goodness but sadly, not many participated. This hurt the spotlight crew's feelings immensely.

That is neato.I have been doing this Ghouls n Ghosts style level that you should consider if you ever do another one, and if I ever publish. Mostly because I like to see people become frustrated and butt-mad.

Mr_Fusion

02-26-2013, 06:10 AM

The spotlight crew threw a massive "play" contest for spotlight 100. Where were you?

yup, we had the high score challenge, a scavenger hunt, a trivia contest, all kinds of goodness but sadly, not many participated. This hurt the spotlight crew's feelings immensely.

Heh... I thought you were some sort if level playing machine Bio. Didn't realise you had the emotion upgrade. :)

on topic... How about a sack person screaming at a Sackbot dressed as the Sacktue of liberty "YOU MANIACS! YOU DELETED IT ALL"

PPp_Killer

02-26-2013, 08:17 AM

Great idea, hope many great levels come from this, let the creativity shine and good luck to all that enter!

Rogar

02-26-2013, 09:06 AM

How about a sack person screaming at a Sackbot dressed as the Sacktue of liberty "YOU MANIACS! YOU DELETED IT ALL"

Hmmm... I was just thinking about that movie 'Encino Man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1hEKqZz-OY)'... cave man gets frozen, gets thawed out and meets Paulie Shaw. I think it was a horror movie.

poorjack

02-26-2013, 09:24 AM

Hmmm... I was just thinking about that movie 'Encino Man'... cave man gets frozen, gets thawed out and meets Paulie Shaw. I think it was a horror movie.

Encino Man was the single greatest film ever made. Look in your heart. You know it to be true.

Mr_Fusion

02-26-2013, 09:36 AM

encino man was the single greatest film ever made. Look in your heart. You know it to be true.

weeze the juice! Bah-dee

Kaboosh99

02-26-2013, 09:53 AM

Important question here...

Does the time machine have to be player controlled? My story's pretty complex so far (still haven't started building, just planning), and it'd be near impossible to have it make sense if you have to be able to switch times.

So... let's say the time machine's not player controlled, and there are cutscenes to show the use of the time machine. Would that be fine with you guys?

TheBa2ti

02-26-2013, 02:36 PM

It doesnt really matter, aslong you make a kind of totem, that you could take with you.
It could be everything, from a phonecell to a little remote.
So it hasnt to be playercontrolled if you dont need it to.
Be creative....

LukeCF

02-26-2013, 03:26 PM

Sounds like an awesome contest!

Can I ask why the Vita contest winner won't get recorded?

biorogue

02-26-2013, 03:41 PM

because it's a pain in the rear to record probably.

poorjack

02-26-2013, 04:44 PM

Sounds like an awesome contest!

Can I ask why the Vita contest winner won't get recorded?
Recording Vita is extremely difficult under normal circumstances. You almost have to use a physical camera.

And I have a question for some of the judges. I just realized that I am very niche in my taste in games, and my level is extremely difficult. Will this hinder my chances in any way if the level is too frustrating or too hard?

ForgottenEnigma

02-26-2013, 04:54 PM

And I have a question for some of the judges. I just realized that I am very niche in my taste in games, and my level is extremely difficult. Will this hinder my chances in any way if the level is too frustrating or too hard?

If we can't get far enough to see it, it's gonna be hard for us to judge it.

Every contest I post this level as an example of what difficulty not to do:

http://lbp.me/v/5rm70x

It's my personal entry to lbpc1 (no floor platformer) which no judge reached stage 2/3 because stage 1 was too hard... thus they could not judge it properly and my score was lowered dramatically... see if you can play through it without the shortcut sticker switches and you'll see what difficulty not to do. Part of the challenge is anticipating and building for others of varied experiences.

poorjack

02-26-2013, 05:02 PM

If we can't get far enough to see it, it's gonna be hard for us to judge it.

Every contest I post this level as an example of what difficulty not to do:

http://lbp.me/v/5rm70x

It's my personal entry to lbpc1 (no floor platformer) which no judge reached stage 2/3 because stage 1 was too hard... thus they could not judge it properly and my score was lowered dramatically... see if you can play through it without the shortcut sticker switches and you'll see what difficulty not to do. Part of the challenge is anticipating and building for others of varied experiences.

Ok. I will continue as planned. My level could easily be beaten with minimal frustration if you are a veteran Ghosts N Goblins player, but I have some qualms about everybody else. Myself, I can beat the first stage of what I have built so far with about 3-5 deaths average. But I might tone it down a bit. It is all about reflexes.

Here is more or less what to expect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWs4S3KUxnU

Apple2012

02-27-2013, 03:19 AM

I'm still not sure about winning. I am good at making a Platformer, but like what I've seen in the Mm Picks, I'm not THAT good. I'm not saying that I'm giving in (well I'm not), but I couldn't make platformers that good because those are hard to ace and I can only make levels that I ace easily.

If I win this contest, I'll be overjoyed as I can finally get the crown.

If I lose, it won't be a negative response, but I don't know what to do. I'll have to think on that.

poorjack

02-27-2013, 03:41 AM

I'm still not sure about winning. I am good at making a Platformer, but like what I've seen in the Mm Picks, I'm not THAT good. I'm not saying that I'm giving in (well I'm not), but I couldn't make platformers that good because those are hard to ace and I can only make levels that I ace easily.

If I win this contest, I'll be overjoyed as I can finally get the crown.

If I lose, it won't be a negative response, but I don't know what to do. I'll have to think on that.

Want to know the secret to success?
80% hard work
10% LBP2torials by Comphermc
10% luck

Apple2012

02-27-2013, 04:32 AM

Want to know the secret to success?
80% hard work
10% LBP2torials by Comphermc
10% luck

I will accept advice, but I won't need help from anybody. In fact, I wasn't asking for help. I was stating how I would feel when I have not-so-excellent skills while competing against a whole bunch of people.

I got pretty far, but I'll need to revamp the progress. It would slow me down, but I need to take my time.

poorjack

02-27-2013, 04:36 AM

I wasn't tying to push any advice. Comphermc's videos are an invaluable resource though. Taught me most of everything I know.

Mr_Fusion

02-27-2013, 06:34 AM

Yah, and the most fun I've had creating was for a comp. Didn't win, but was never bothered by that. Participating was a blast!

hnmm... Blast from the Past. Another Brendan Fraiser movie about being in the wrong time, strange. I mean he's in a lot of movies I guess so, yeah. Never mind.

HellYeah1982

02-27-2013, 07:29 AM

I have a question, does the time machine can be like a glove?, cs if not my whole level is screwed... someone answers this please.

shropshirelass

02-27-2013, 07:36 AM

A glove should be fine. As long as there's some kind of device, it doesn't matter what it is. :)

Fatso_the_frog

02-27-2013, 09:57 AM

Quick question, I know you said that no level links, but what if it is a level link to an ending cutscene, is that allowed? Also, is it allowed if the whole level was the player in a controllinator? Thanks!

-Fatso_the_frog

pj15

02-27-2013, 01:53 PM

Im curious to see who is seriously trying this contest out. Who am i up against? : p

Pookachoo

02-27-2013, 04:11 PM

Quick question, I know you said that no level links, but what if it is a level link to an ending cutscene, is that allowed? Also, is it allowed if the whole level was the player in a controllinator? Thanks!

-Fatso_the_frog

We'll only consider one level for the contest. If you want to publish another level with a cutscene just for fun, that's fine - however it will not be considered by the judges.
I know it can be hard to fit everything into one level, but to be fair we have to stick with no level links rule.

poorjack

02-27-2013, 05:18 PM

Should have just said "non-spontaneous time travel caused by some object whether time machine or time-apple"

bonner123

02-27-2013, 06:13 PM

I have a horrendously cruel idea for this. It will be Esmereldian - but at the same time I will try. Let's hope I get the top prize this time. B)

Close your eyes and think of Midas.

HellYeah1982

02-27-2013, 06:36 PM

yeah the glove has a divice on it. this is gonna be fun!!! :) i'm enjoying making this level!!! good look to every one!

Fatso_the_frog

02-28-2013, 10:43 AM

Is the rare prize crown for all of the regions? Or just the UK or something? Thanks!

-Fatso_the_frog

retrogamer7

02-28-2013, 11:42 AM

Aha /Twin Paradox the method of time travel I have set my space-time coordinates to this exact time from the future. I have travelled through time to tell you this message, that I made a level published in April and won this awesome contest. I'm very proud and congratulate all that took part.
Just kidding It wasn't true, lol but good-luck to you all Happy Gaming :)

biorogue

02-28-2013, 02:16 PM

Is the rare prize crown for all of the regions? Or just the UK or something? Thanks!

-Fatso_the_frog

The Crown is available in all regions, yes

Aha /Twin Paradox the method of time travel I have set my space-time coordinates to this exact time from the future. I have travelled through time to tell you this message, that I made a level published in April and won this awesome contest. I'm very proud and congratulate all that took part.
Just kidding It wasn't true, lol but good-luck to you all Happy Gaming :)

That's it, contest over. Retro won it it would seem. When I get to the future and if you didn't win it and this was a joke, I'll be irritated.

cakito123

02-28-2013, 03:25 PM

I have a question.
If I win the contest on the vita, does the crown come to LBP2 too?

biorogue

02-28-2013, 03:31 PM

I have a question.
If I win the contest on the vita, does the crown come to LBP2 too?

? Pretty sure. I think just about all the costumes are now across all three platforms except those specifically for karting, such as the Karts.

Valeview

02-28-2013, 06:49 PM

Given that it's a minimum of two time zones, would using three or more change anything, or would it be judged the same way?

fireblitz95

02-28-2013, 06:54 PM

I have a question as well can I use this as two time zones:

The player is in a futuristic lab with a wormhole he uses it to go back in time, but he keeps going back to the lab for very short amounts of time (for reasons I won't say here). Would that still count as two time zones even though he only spends a small amount of time in one?

The715Gamer

03-01-2013, 01:25 AM

Gamer Time! Let's Win This!

http://lbp.me/v/c7hyjt

fireblitz95

03-01-2013, 01:27 AM

Gamer Time! Let's Win This!

http://lbp.me/v/c7hyjt

We're supposed to wait to enter our levels.

edit: And I don't think you're allowed to enter any already published levels.

The715Gamer

03-01-2013, 01:34 AM

Can you control sackbots in the level?

Loafsy

03-01-2013, 02:10 AM

Yes! I have been waiting and waiting for an official contest to come around! The theme is great; thanks so much contest crew!

Apple2012

03-01-2013, 05:45 AM

I hate to tell you (and it sounds like I'm wasting out the fun), but I'm pulling myself out of the contest. I have no motivation in building a level that takes up that much thermometer space with fewer exciting materials.

If anybody can tell me what other way can I get the crown. Playing in the contest is one thing, but what's another way to get the crown?

shropshirelass

03-01-2013, 08:08 AM

Given that it's a minimum of two time zones, would using three or more change anything, or would it be judged the same way?

I have a question as well can I use this as two time zones:

The player is in a futuristic lab with a wormhole he uses it to go back in time, but he keeps going back to the lab for very short amounts of time (for reasons I won't say here). Would that still count as two time zones even though he only spends a small amount of time in one?

This is not intended to be a rule-heavy contest. We are genuinely looking for creativity in the way entrants approach the theme. This means simply having more than 2 time zones won't boost your score; we'll be looking at what you do with them and whether it's imaginative etc. By the same token only having brief appearances in one of the the time zones is fine as long as there's a cool reason for it and there's still a sense of time travel in some way.

Can you control sackbots in the level?

That's fine. :)

biorogue

03-01-2013, 02:33 PM

Gamer Time! Let's Win This!

http://lbp.me/v/c7hyjt

ummm....no. this level was previously published June of 2012 which clearly violates this rule here:

this is very true, the level dose get overheated very fast when using over five materials. its pretty nuts ive been doing lots of testing with this. but there is ways around this, hoping to push through this one. if your giving up in less then a week of trying , your unworthy of the crown. haa. dont take that comment to seriously.

mm takes fan art. you maybe able to recieve your crown that way.

Five-Ate-Five

03-01-2013, 10:17 PM

Wow awesome! can my friend get crown too ,f he help me?

goranilic

03-01-2013, 11:07 PM

Can I get my crown just for being lazy ?

Apple2012

03-02-2013, 01:22 AM

The only way to make a good level with just 5 materials is to stick with one theme opposed to the two you're asking for. If I want to do two themes, I have to use more than five materials and make a cheaply made Platformer. If I want to make two themes without wasting thermometer space, I'll have to use a level link in sub level, which is against the rules. That, and the fact that I cancel projects when bored are the main reasons why I'm dropping out.

Also, sending fanart to Mm is a cheap way of getting a crown. I'll need to do something more than that, but less than winning a contest.

dudeman779

03-02-2013, 01:45 AM

I may or may not enter I have a lot of other projects going on right now perhaps I'll do this in LBP2 and make my first LBP2 level that's funny I own the game but never touched the create mode I only made levels in LBPVITA and LBPPSP

pj15

03-02-2013, 02:04 AM

I have a dumb question , possibly been answered, but my friend seen what ive been making and dosent think im pulling it off. So my question is how many times must the machine travel ? If i start my level in a modern time retrieve the time machine and go somewhere like prehistoric and just return back to modern day ,is that good enough? Or do you want this machine to (travel into two periods?)

eustoma

03-02-2013, 08:46 AM

Now I got some time to translate the description into Japanese.
コンテスト概要を日本語訳させていただきました。
日本の皆さんも一緒に楽しみましょう！
So, here it is! :D

A big thank you to Eustoma for translating the contest announcement into Japanese. We're truly grateful!

Pookachoo

03-02-2013, 06:27 PM

I have a dumb question , possibly been answered, but my friend seen what ive been making and dosent think im pulling it off. So my question is how many times must the machine travel ? If i start my level in a modern time retrieve the time machine and go somewhere like prehistoric and just return back to modern day ,is that good enough? Or do you want this machine to (travel into two periods?)

From OP:

The level must feature at least two different time zones and you must build a stylish time machine to warp between them. Other than that the only limits are those of your imagination... and the general space time continuum!

Modern time can be one of your time zone ;)

cakito123

03-02-2013, 07:56 PM

I have a question! D:
Do we need to switch between two time zones, but this needs to be optional? Because in my lvl the player goes to the future (after playing on present) , and do not back to present. is that okay?

TheBa2ti

03-02-2013, 08:15 PM

This should be absolutly ok.
You used two time zones, so where is the problem?

SnakeOwl

03-03-2013, 03:12 AM

Good theme :hatsack:

pj15

03-04-2013, 02:43 AM

Soooo, after a long weekend, how did the level creators do? progress? Good or Bad? I'm a curious sackdude

Djaovbirdx

03-04-2013, 02:18 PM

Soooo, after a long weekend, how did the level creators do? progress? Good or Bad? I'm a curious sackdude

Good progress! I'm a bit in the level now... but the thermometer is over the half! :boo: And how long of the level have I created? 25% maybe, but it might went out well! :p

Awesome_Guy

03-04-2013, 03:57 PM

Havent started mine properly yet :/ Still on paper now, and I need to test alot of my mechanics in a basic form first, but I think this weekend is when I can start getting the level made- probably about quarter of the logic I need or half will be finished by next week :)

poorjack

03-04-2013, 05:14 PM

Soooo, after a long weekend, how did the level creators do? progress? Good or Bad? I'm a curious sackdude

Did no progress over the weekend, but I am back to work now.

shropshirelass

03-04-2013, 05:36 PM

Thanks for posting the updates. Judges get curious too... :p

pj15

03-04-2013, 05:58 PM

yeah, its good to here everyone's progress. :) keep everyone on there toes. After a long weekend myself i realized i made a giant level of garbage and i will totally start over , haha. not a therm problem, but more of pointless platforming problem. i will start fresh tonight. hopefully i learned my lesson and i wont let this speed-bump slow me down. i fear my opponents.

Attack-here

03-04-2013, 06:32 PM

for everyone, who asks, if he should make the level on LBP Vita or on LBP2: I think it's better for both of us:
When you take part on LBP Vita you haven't got such a big group of people, that could have a better level than you.
And when you don't take part, there is one less person, who could have a better level than me :)

but that would meen, that I've one less level to play to, so maby it wouldn't be soo good for me ;)

err my quesition: When I publish my Beta-level closed, so that ONLY BETA TESTER with a key can test it, is the level disqualified?

ps: sorry for my bad english ;) I hope everyone understood what I ment... or mean? :)

Mine's going surprisingly well. Usually by now I'd have given up on the contest! :P I'm progressing, though, to say the least. I have a story, characters, quite a bit of scenery and some of the sackbot logic done! :) Also this really fun "Loading" screen for when the main character travels to another time period. I hope I can pull this off without overheating the thermo. :frightened: Next up will be finishing the scenery off on the gameplay areas and then the introduction cutscene. :D

How's everyone else getting on? :)

Jauw

03-04-2013, 07:26 PM

The thermometer for me is the only issue. But me & Seku are using the Emit/Destroy level design, which should make it easier for us to create, without worrying too much about the thermometer. Though the loading time will probably be longer than usual :P

Wafflegod345

03-04-2013, 08:52 PM

I have the cross-control pack, can the level be cross controller?

EDIT:

Yes I am in

Jauw

03-04-2013, 09:02 PM

I have the cross-control pack, can the level be cross controller?

I'm sorry but the rules says that you can't use the Cross-Controller pack, you can use the Wormhole however :)

-- Jauw

shropshirelass

03-04-2013, 10:12 PM

err my quesition: When I publish my Beta-level closed, so that ONLY BETA TESTER with a key can test it, is the level disqualified?

Yes, publishing locked for beta testing by key holders is fine :)

I have the cross-control pack, can the level be cross controller?

Jauw2 is quite right the rules say:

• One level slot/thermo per entry. No level-linking of any kind and for this contest no cross-controller levels either. Wormholes within a level without using the cross-controller functionality are allowed, however.

:)

Attack-here

03-04-2013, 11:16 PM

Okey, thanks :D

Wafflegod345

03-05-2013, 01:18 AM

Thanks jauw, I was just about to delete that comment cause I jus tread the rules over again. Oh well. It is somewhat hard to use anyway.

Dansku1698

03-05-2013, 06:25 AM

I have started my level, but I'm not sure if I can finish it on time :P My inspiration is lost, and I've done my other level instead of this. Maybe I need few days resting. :D I hope that I can finish this project on time.

Jauw

03-05-2013, 06:45 AM

My inspiration is lost, and I've done my other level instead of this. Maybe I need few days resting. :D I hope that I can finish this project on time.

Aww... That's too bad, I really hope you'll get some more inspiration so you can finish the level :)

-- Jauw

LoVeRiCe

03-05-2013, 04:11 PM

My "Chrono Logic" is perfect for this competition. It can "Rewind", "Slow Down", "Pause" and "Fast Forward" in real time, no silly camera tricks. Pretty much just manipulates time and effects the whole surroundings, besides yourself. It will be an actual game, not a platformer or level. Expect some serious competition from me guys, I'm in it, to win it.

cakito123

03-05-2013, 04:18 PM

My "Chrono Logic" is perfect for this competition. It can "Rewind", "Slow Down", "Pause" and "Fast Forward" in real time, no silly camera tricks. Pretty much just manipulates time and effects the whole surroundings, besides yourself. It will be an actual game, not a platformer or level. Expect some serious competition from me guys, I'm in it, to win it.

How intimidating! D:
I'm in, to win it too. (I think that everyone are in to win it)
In what console you will enter? I'm in LBP Vita. :royalty:

LoVeRiCe

03-05-2013, 04:28 PM

I'll be on the PS3, very fortunate for you that I don't own a Vita, otherwise, I'd publish it on Vita. Very fortunate for everyone else, that I'm away from home 16 hours everyday on work days, leaves only 8 hours free to sleep/eat/bathe/nature stuff. However on my days off, I'm working hard on the project.

cakito123

03-05-2013, 04:34 PM

I'll be on the PS3, very fortunate for you that I don't own a Vita, otherwise, I'd publish it on Vita. Very fortunate for everyone else, that I'm away from home 16 hours everyday on work days, leaves only 8 hours free to sleep/eat/bathe/nature stuff. However on my days off, I'm working hard on the project.

Oh, really?
Just a Warning: The higher the expectations, Higher disappointment!

Rough-Tea

03-05-2013, 07:31 PM

I'll be on the PS3, very fortunate for you that I don't own a Vita, otherwise, I'd publish it on Vita. Very fortunate for everyone else, that I'm away from home 16 hours everyday on work days...

Well, that sounds very arrogant.

Anyways, i wont enter the contest, but good luck to all of ya, especially the vita creators, looking forward to play those entries :D

Go Cakito, Go!

TheBa2ti

03-05-2013, 07:49 PM

Nooo...
I was happy to challenge Rough-Tea.... Sad News.
I would be happy to have you as a Beta Tester of my level ;)

Good luck to all Vita-Creators (and the others)

cakito123

03-05-2013, 09:54 PM

Well, that sounds very arrogant.

Anyways, i wont enter the contest, but good luck to all of ya, especially the vita creators, looking forward to play those entries :D

Im up for beta-testing any vita levels, just write a pm or something if u want me too... i want discuss any of your levels contents with other people... lol... but i guess u shouldnt be concerned about anyone stealing ideas or something, i doubt anyone will do that...

Edit:

Just wanted to say that im totally impartial/neutral lol.. even tho i shouted out for cakito lol...

cakito123

03-05-2013, 10:11 PM

LoL, i love your memes.

Im up for beta-testing any vita levels, just write a pm or something if u want me too... i want discuss any of your levels contents with other people... lol... but i guess u shouldnt be concerned about anyone stealing ideas or something, i doubt anyone will do that...

Yep, I'll let you beta test my level.
But something happened yesterday. My level was 50% done and when I was going to continue creating, AN ERROR OCCURED. I lost ALL my levels on my moon, including the LBPC10 level and Kiwi VS Orange level 5. Quite annoying. Now I need to remake all the levels! I want to throw my vita in a Toilet bowl. Seriously.

Rough-Tea

03-05-2013, 10:19 PM

Oh, man.. sad to hear that... i lost one level too once.. well, i only can point out to everybody to backup their levels online once a while and u are safe.

unc92sax

03-06-2013, 01:33 AM

Time to add a worm hole to "Medieval Nature"... Changing it to "Middle to Evil Nature"...

Oh yeah. I forgot to say that was the name of my new level project.

DreJ1212

03-06-2013, 03:30 AM

Can we have cameos from movies in the level?

For example, what if I wanted to include a rather humorous cameo of a Delorean, but its small and isn't actually the method of time travel. Would that be fine?

Not sure if I'm entering this or not, but I'm gonna try to produce a good level for this. The ideas are really starting to flow in.

bonner123

03-06-2013, 03:46 PM

Hi everyone, I totally finished my level and it's super good and will totally demolish the competition. You might as well quit now, to preserve any semblance of pride left in your meager bodies. Judges, it's your call to announce me as the tentative winner.

http://lbp.me/v/jbgrcr

(I defy your rules)
Also I'm not being serious in case you haven't figured that out yet.

Rough-Tea

03-06-2013, 04:16 PM

Hi everyone, I totally finished my level and it's super good and will totally demolish the competition. You might as well quit now, to preserve any semblance of pride left in your meager bodies. Judges, it's your call to announce me as the tentative winner.

lol ^o^

Djaovbirdx

03-06-2013, 07:01 PM

Noooooooo! You know what? I updated my LBPVita to 1.08 today(or what-o-ever it was). And now I can't go in my LBPC10 entry on my moon, I can only play it. It is saying that it contains downloadable content that I don't own! This make me so irritated. I might just give up on this ****. :frightened: :(

Idk if it's from the update, but it might be. Anyone else having these problems?
Should I make a new entry? I don't think so... :(

Rough-Tea

03-06-2013, 07:09 PM

There was a warning going around posted by syroc...

Sorry for u man... i guess its gone..

Jauw

03-06-2013, 07:12 PM

That sounds terrible! I'm not having this issue though. I really hope you're not giving up your entry :(

Good luck!

-- Jauw

Djaovbirdx

03-06-2013, 07:23 PM

There was a warning going around posted by syroc...

Sorry for u man... i guess its gone..

I guess I would'nt win the competition anyway :P

The only thing i have buyed in psn on vita is the timesaver pack...
But... I might check out if I can fix it. I will keep you updated :)

ForgottenEnigma

03-06-2013, 07:45 PM

I guess I would'nt win the competition anyway :P

Those who do not try, cannot win... However, those who attempt the impossible...

LoVeRiCe

03-06-2013, 09:50 PM

Eh, that's not always true. I won some free movie tickets without even trying. Try to explain that, amigo.

Justice89

03-06-2013, 10:04 PM

Too bad I can't use my R&C level, a time machine just wouldn't fit. Though, I already have a huge range of ideas swirling through my head on what I could do. I'll see what I can do and try and enter on time! Good luck to all the other contestants!

Jauw

03-06-2013, 10:16 PM

It's a proverb... Believe it or not

poorjack

03-06-2013, 10:35 PM

"You miss one hundred percent of the shots you don't take" -Gretzky

Xx_Mr_Orange_xX

03-07-2013, 01:33 PM

What a great contest! I think I've got the perfect idea for this!

yugnar

03-07-2013, 05:40 PM

Oh man I'm going on vacations two weeks very soon and therefore won't have much time to make my level :( I'll see if I can finish it but I really doubt it.

Now I can only aim to the Team Pick :p

Djaovbirdx

03-07-2013, 06:55 PM

Okay then, I'll start over again. I actually have som better ideas for the new one... :)
But... Now I have to create! Bye! :cool:

Edit: I will back up my level like 20 times a day now, can't risk anything here!

Chaos_Martin

03-07-2013, 07:29 PM

This seems like a good contest, I've already got a Crown so can I just enter for the Pin?

Jauw

03-07-2013, 07:38 PM

Can I just enter for the Pin?

I think the crown will be given to the runner-up then, and I'm sure you can enter for the Pin only. Nice to see more competitors! :)

-- Regards, Jauw

Chaos_Martin

03-07-2013, 07:42 PM

Very nice, now I just need to think of a idea for it. *loads*

Pookachoo

03-07-2013, 07:50 PM

Yes - if a contest winner already has a Crown, they'll receive a pin and the Crown will go to 2nd place.

dragonboy269

03-07-2013, 09:44 PM

I'm making a level for this contest with my friend. It will be published at her earth but she can't make an account here, can she still enter the contest if I post the link for her level here when it's finished?

ForgottenEnigma

03-07-2013, 11:22 PM

I'm making a level for this contest with my friend. It will be published at her earth but she can't make an account here, can she still enter the contest if I post the link for her level here when it's finished?

Sure,

but we've never actually made membership of this site a rule... we would have found the level anyway when we composed our lists for judging regardless if a link was posted here or not.

Wafflegod345

03-07-2013, 11:40 PM

Oh hi, Cakito! I haven't seen you in a while, nor did I know you were entering! Anyways, I've finaly decided on what story I'm'a go awith and I am slowly making progress. Can't wait till weekend and friday, this 9hour school and 9hour scleep is taking 18/24 hours of my creating time! Not to mention the boring stuff like eating, breathing, and bathroom-ing. Ugh. Tough life I* got. Anyways. Mine looks and plays great so far, you better hope for second or else this will most likely be a disappointment. Crown here I come!!!

Apple2012

03-08-2013, 01:43 AM

I actually changed my mind. I'm returning to the contest, but my level won't be as good as the earlier one. The first time zone is too short as the second one is more likely emphasized. And when you mean no cross controller, does that mean materials like the holographic metal are banned?

ValiantPixel

03-08-2013, 03:52 AM

I spent two hours in my room last night, planning out my level plot and the characters. Today, I spent at least two hours interpreting that into the game. So far, I've gotten about halfway through the first time zone, with the first part perfected. I plan to get more done tomorrow and Saturday, but maybe not Sunday because it's my birthday :)

Anyways, it's nice to see so much participation in this contest. Looks like I have worthy foes! Even if I don't win, I would have tried my hardest and that's the important thing. But that Crown...it's so shiny :royalty:

Djaovbirdx

03-08-2013, 04:50 AM

... because it's my birthday :)

ohhh... Congrats some days before then! Hurray :D

Wafflegod345

03-08-2013, 11:24 AM

Happy b-day! And does anyone know how to destroy something say like a menu, when not using it I have the button to ready so it will. I just dio't want to put detroyers on everything.

Kalawishis

03-08-2013, 11:53 AM

Just a quick question-how far apart do the two time zones have to be? Can they be...say...ten seconds apart? And do you have to go to both time zones yourself?

cakito123

03-08-2013, 03:30 PM

Oh hi, Cakito! I haven't seen you in a while, nor did I know you were entering! Anyways, I've finaly decided on what story I'm'a go awith and I am slowly making progress. Can't wait till weekend and friday, this 9hour school and 9hour scleep is taking 18/24 hours of my creating time! Not to mention the boring stuff like eating, breathing, and bathroom-ing. Ugh. Tough life I* got. Anyways. Mine looks and plays great so far, you better hope for second or else this will most likely be a disappointment. Crown here I come!!!

Oh hi, Ducks!
Long time no see, yeah. You'll enter in the Vita or the ps3? I'm entering on the vita :) Do you have a vita? We could play together again someday.

shropshirelass

03-08-2013, 04:33 PM

Hi everyone, I totally finished my level and it's super good and will totally demolish the competition. You might as well quit now, to preserve any semblance of pride left in your meager bodies. Judges, it's your call to announce me as the tentative winner.

http://lbp.me/v/jbgrcr

(I defy your rules)
Also I'm not being serious in case you haven't figured that out yet.

Lol, it wouldn't be an LBPC contest without a pseudo-entry from someone...

I actually changed my mind. I'm returning to the contest, but my level won't be as good as the earlier one. The first time zone is too short as the second one is more likely emphasized. And when you mean no cross controller, does that mean materials like the holographic metal are banned?

No, if you check the rules again, you'll see that that we're only banning actual cross-controller levels, i.e. levels which would require both a PS3 and Vita to complete.

Just a quick question-how far apart do the two time zones have to be? Can they be...say...ten seconds apart? And do you have to go to both time zones yourself?

That's a toughie. It sounds as if you're pushing things a bit with the theme,which is time travel after all. BUT this is not meant to be a very prescriptive contest so if your idea involves playing with different times and someone or something travels between the two, go for it! :)

poorjack

03-10-2013, 01:53 AM

I have been going like crazy on this contest. Just for anyone interested, I have 4 weapons fully programmed, 7 enemy types fully programmed, the first stage complete, and player character and custom respawn points complete. I am going to be doing 4 stages total, with 9 enemy types per stage, and 1 boss per stage and 4 unlockable difficulty settings as well. It is just a lego building block game from here on out.

Apple2012

03-10-2013, 05:23 AM

My new level takes place in the dungeons. The time travel part is a Tron based Platformer. When you use the time machine, you will go through this Tron-esque section, where you enter the future when you finish traveling through the Tron-esque section.

Fatso_the_frog

03-10-2013, 12:56 PM

Man, i'm gonna be a huge competition for some people! I am just great at logic, the hint for my level? Well, i just hope that one of you likes either; Final fantasy, Chrono trigger, pokemon, and basically anything else pixelated with battling. I can already see the glory of the crown sitting on my head. But seriously, this will be a fun contest and goodluck to any other contest entrants!

-FATSO_THE_FROG :royalty:

LoVeRiCe

03-10-2013, 10:46 PM

Well Frog, I guarantee you that I will be your biggest threat in this competition. You may be great at Logic, but I've Mastered the Art of Logic on LBP2 and I'm applying some of them for this contest. Anywhere from highly Advanced and Flexible Damage/Health to Dynamic Camera, Upgrade System, Combo System, Grading System and many more unique stuff. And this is just a small project compare to other projects that's in the works. I hope everyone is bringing their A game cuz I expect a challenge.

I see another creator is making something that isn't a platformer, I look forward to playing that game.

poorjack

03-10-2013, 10:53 PM

Oh its on now

Wafflegod345

03-10-2013, 11:50 PM

Ooh I love mine so far, first scene is done. now for some p-... gameplay.... hehe

EDIT:

Okay, say I already had a crown. and I had two different accounts. one for vita and one ps3. Could I have the crown if I won for my vita even if I already had one for my ps3? and if not, can it go to the person who helped create the level with me?

Fatso_the_frog

03-11-2013, 07:21 AM

Someone that is better than me in logic? Impossible.... I can't wait to see yours. Im making turn based battling, with leveling up systems, and I also have a great story. The level name? "Chronoseption". Take that Doctor who, here comes Doctor frog to play...

Kaboosh99

03-11-2013, 09:39 AM

Oh yeah?! Well I got a platforming section, a flying section, and several cutscenes crammed into my level!

I'm having to use the emit destroy technique, so now I'm starting to fall behind on my progress. Bleh. Just about the only things that are going really well for me at the moment is my research (yes, I'm using real scientific ideas from the uses of Helium-3 to the end of the universe), and the music, which me and a friend made together. Not doing as well as I'd hoped, mainly because my limited time weakens my ability to concentrate. But I still hope to win, of course. A man can dream...

Kalawishis

03-11-2013, 02:44 PM

Let me just say that you all better be scared. I have, like, the greatest idea ever in my levels. It's like, so awesome, that like, you're going to throw your Vita across the room because it is just so awesome. It's the best idea I've ever had, and it's, like, so amazing, and, like, your heads are going to explode.

I can't trash talk.

Reyoar

03-11-2013, 03:35 PM

What a nice contest. :) I hope I can create a good level for this contest :)

pj15

03-11-2013, 04:42 PM

hello to all the talented creators entering this contest that's feeling very confident in there level. Glad to see your excitement, but i'm thinking the trash talking and bragging is very unworthy crown talk, haa. But i'm glad to see that there will be some fresh new levels at that end of the month . keep on creating with your awesomeness. is that a word? hahaa.

i love this contest, i worked on my level all weekend. I'm getting a little scared of my thermometer. i have half of my level left to go. i wish i had a time machine so i can go back to the first week i wasted. haa

okay im done babbling , needed to vent . tonight will be another long night . cant wait till this is over , i could go for some solid good sleep. :)

LoVeRiCe

03-11-2013, 05:19 PM

Ironically Frog, the name of my game is called "Chrono Shift", yes, I'm a fan of Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross, which is where I got the name from. I know it's hard to believe that someone is better than you at Logic, but I believe you have just met him. Keep in mind that is merely a small piece of my Logic expertise for this project. Best of luck to you and everyone else.

Pookachoo

03-11-2013, 06:36 PM

Glad to see so much creator enthusiasm :royalty:
Just remember that winning a crown takes more than a mastery of logic or a great idea - it takes the execution of a complete gameplay experience, the right logic for that idea plus all the little personal touches that make a fabulous and original level.

LoVeRiCe

03-11-2013, 07:23 PM

True, which is why my game features new, never before seen gameplay in a very familiar genre. Nice Visuals that is interactive with main gameplay mechanics. A cool dynamic camera logic that no one has used before. The whole idea of manipulating time phases to take advantage of certain situations and also creates unique ways of approaching bosses and enemies. Added an RPG element by creating items that can be collected during the course of the game to increase your stats. A combo system to lure in hardcore gamers who loves aiming for the high scores. This is just the tip of the Iceberg.

TheBa2ti

03-11-2013, 07:57 PM

@LoVeRiCe:
Lets see what you can come up with. Usually persons like you pull back in the last moment after hyping their levels incredibly. Sorry but I cant really believe your great your level buidling skills, otherwise you would be a more known creator.
How could you talk about logic noone used before, if you havent played all levels. The trick isnt to make complex logic for a simple task. The trick is to make simple logic for a complex task.

Lets see what your level looks like, if you finished it and wearing the crown.

--TheBa2ti--

Fatso_the_frog

03-11-2013, 09:11 PM

Trust me, my level will be cool. But I doubt it will win. This is gonna be fun. So far I've basically only completed the battling logic. And it's pretty cool. Today i'm trying to get my character sprites done and the level icon done. When it's finished, I hope that some people enjoy the level. Unless it's too laggy, in which I am afraid of.

Edit:

Sadly, the reason why I am not a well known creator, is because I never get inspired to build an epic level. But this contest is making me put all of my skills into it. And hopefully, it's gonna be awesome. I haven't even started the level, only the battling. And that is alot of work to do.:)

LoVeRiCe

03-11-2013, 09:17 PM

@Ba2ti, see, here's where you're wrong about me. I may not be known as an MM PICK creator, even though I do have an MM PICK pin, earned legitimately. Why I'm considered still unknown and under-rated is because I don't normally work on my own moon, I spend most my talents helping my friends with their MM PICKED levels. Thus why you'll see my name in tons of MM PICKED game's credits, because I put my work into them. As for the Complex logic thing.... My logic looks very simple, takes little to no thermo at all, yet does very complex, variest and flexible things. So yeah, I've done the "Trick".

For example, I'm sure you know of Comphermc, supposedly a Grand Master at Logic among other things. Well, what if I tell you that his logicwork is over exaggerated, greatly. I can decrease the size of his "Health/Damage" logic by 75%, not only does it can do Exactly what his does, but it's Flexible, while his is static, all the while, saving tons more thermo. Don't look at the things published on my moon and think to yourself, "Oh, LoVeRiCe doesn't even have anything decent, yet talks big." The thing is, all my cool stuff hasn't been published yet... You'll see my games on the MM PICKED list soon.

Fatso_the_frog

03-11-2013, 09:32 PM

Well, I couldn't be doing this without someone else, my brother. He is the art designer, as I am terrible at pixel art. I'm the logic creator. Without him, my character would look like a mutated monkey.

@LoVeRiCe

You say that on my profile, i'm not offended at all, The last thing i have published using logic was months/years ago. I am probably in the top 90% by now. And I tell you this, the levels I have published now aren't even close to what I can do now. I don't publish half my things. Just saying, im not offended by what you said.

Nevermind that, I just think that my new level will tear the rest of my levels in half. Goodluck to you and everyone else.

Wafflegod345

03-11-2013, 09:47 PM

Choices... tsk tsk

Apple2012

03-11-2013, 09:48 PM

I would actually like to meet Comphermc. Maybe do some online play would do the trick.

Anyway, I'm almost out of the dungeons. I placed a time machine there, but there is a time tunnel in between the past and future. I'm getting better at making platforming elements (like the grab 'n' ride ceilings, inner wheel, popping out bounce pads etc), and I'm using some in my level.

Fatso_the_frog

03-11-2013, 09:51 PM

Eh, let's forget that whole thing. We're both smart. I think you're level will be cool. Cant wait to see it, and I hope you try my level. I might play everyones level! (PS3) and goodluck to everyone.

I met him once.... But I was kicked like a few seconds after joining. Never got a word in. (At that time i never knew him)

I feel kinda bad saying that to LoVeRiCe, although I don't think I was rude... I guess that's just me.

Jauw

03-11-2013, 10:11 PM

Meh... There's no need for bragging guys, it's what you'll publish that counts. Nothing else! I'm looking forward to all the entries!

-- Regards, Jauw

Fatso_the_frog

03-11-2013, 10:21 PM

Yeah, I agree with you there, Jauw. In my opinion, you'll win. But it won't stop me from trying.

Jauw

03-11-2013, 10:26 PM

Me? Well I already have the crown. So the crown will be handed over to the runner-up (**information missing**)

Apple2012

03-12-2013, 12:05 AM

I'm finished with the dungeons of the 15th century, but I still have a lot to go. I need to come up with a good name for that space tower, I haven't worked on the time tunnel, and I need to come up with good details in the description.

bonner123

03-12-2013, 02:45 AM

Lol, it wouldn't be an LBPC contest without a pseudo-entry from someone...

Pseudo-entry!? I think you're describing everyone else's.

I did have an idea for an adventure game-ish level, but juggling two levels and school doesn't work out well for me (thanks motivation issues!). Since it'd require both a Vita and a PS3 (not cross control!) it wouldn't qualify anyway, so whatevs.

Maybe I'm a bit naive here, but there's probably more emphasis on logic than there needs to be. Sure, logic's important, but your levels can't fall back on that if everything else sucks. Good design, fun, and originality should come first. I rather play a fun level with average logic than a tedious level with great logic. Most people don't use LBP primarily for "programming" (no that's what actual programming is for), so there's no need to go around bragging to others how great you are and how everyone else's logic is inferior. That goes against the spirit of the competition. Is a crown really worth that much?

But that's all irrelevant because I'm clearly going to win. But you're welcome to attempt.

PLUG (http://lbp.me/v/jbgrcr)

PLUG (http://lbp.me/v/jbgrcr)

PLUG (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001930/)

H4H

LoVeRiCe

03-12-2013, 03:10 AM

I totally agree with you bonner, Gameplay, Fun Factor and Replayability always comes first when creating a game. Which is why I haven't abandon that aspect, only to enhance them with deeper Gameplay by means of better logic knowledge. I have Visuals that are nice, but I keep them to a minimal as to not lag the game and I will have hundreds of stuff onscreen at any given time, but thanks to the small yet complex logic I've created, the game can handle that stress. As for Replayability, the reason for the Unique Gameplay Mechanics, RPG elements and Combo System I've integrated to encourage people to play again to experience, play a different style and maybe try to topple the leaderboards. So logic knowledge does help too.

Apple2012

03-12-2013, 03:46 AM

I designed a clock to represent time traveling. It's going to be in the time tunnel section in my level.

http://if.lbp.me/img/ft/edfe6a70f2aa565e6da5e2955712a6bae3bb4692.jpg

It's 1 o'clock!

ValiantPixel

03-12-2013, 04:06 AM

I hate to say this, but you guys are making me feel less confident about my creation. Even though I have a fun level with some comedy aspects, good visuals, and epic music, I don't know if it will be enough. Hopefully you guys will like it :p

Anyways, just updating about my progress so far. I have nearly completed the first time zone (it's in 2189, by the way.) I have picked out my music, I have designed the time machine, I have worked out the cameras, I have made the time travel sequence, I have thought about my description, I have done some of the speech...need I go on? I'm just waiting for inspiration for the 2013 time zone...where should it be? A cave? A recreation of an original LittleBigPlanet level? Maybe I should make it so you assassinate yourself playing the level in real time, that would be cool. I honestly have no idea yet.

That crown...it will serve as my motivation to make an award-winning level and VANQUISH EVIL! :royalty:

Apple2012

03-12-2013, 04:16 AM

I hate to say this, but you guys are making me feel less confident about my creation. Even though I have a fun level with some comedy aspects, good visuals, and epic music, I don't know if it will be enough. Hopefully you guys will like it :p

Anyways, just updating about my progress so far. I have nearly completed the first time zone (it's in 2189, by the way.) I have picked out my music, I have designed the time machine, I have worked out the cameras, I have made the time travel sequence, I have thought about my description, I have done some of the speech...need I go on? I'm just waiting for inspiration for the 2013 time zone...where should it be? A cave? A recreation of an original LittleBigPlanet level? Maybe I should make it so you assassinate yourself playing the level in real time, that would be cool. I honestly have no idea yet.

That crown...it will serve as my motivation to make an award-winning level and VANQUISH EVIL! :royalty:

I'm already done with my first time zone, and the time machine was well designed. I just need to work on the time tunnel section and the second zone until completion.

Fatso_the_frog

03-12-2013, 05:09 AM

well, alot of entries will be cool. I don't even mind if I win or not, this contest has inspired me to create something awesome. The least I could hope for, is to get just a few plays.

EDIT:

Come and look at the main character for my level! http://lbp.me/p/q7-nch-

Kalawishis

03-12-2013, 03:32 PM

There's no need for bragging guys,
Well, poo that!

Here's a little glimpse of my level's logic. If you can figure out what it does then you probably have a good idea of what the level is like.
The level is based off a microchip I designed-It's called the 5 Second Signal Recorder and it looks like this:

My original design for my entry was just a bunch of pictures of logic but spoilsport bonner here thinks "Logic does not necessarily equal goodness" so apparently I have to make gameplay based off it.

Jauw

03-12-2013, 03:44 PM

@Kalawishis Haha, looking nice. Though I was referring to some other members, it's fine for me to showcase :p

I hope your level turns out well... With gameplay ;)

-- Jauw

Rogar

03-12-2013, 04:35 PM

Here's a little glimpse of my level's logic. If you can figure out what it does then you probably have a good idea of what the level is like.
The level is based off a microchip I designed-It's called the 5 Second Signal Recorder

You stole my level!!! ;) Let's just say great minds think alike.

So, looks like you're quite ahead of me. That's great, then you can tell me what my future looks like (besides me failing to meet the deadline). I'm investing a lot of time in efficiency/optimalising because I'm worried about the thermo/framerate. How bad is yours?

Verbal83

03-12-2013, 05:08 PM

I hope all this talk of self indulging "advanced logic skills" talk that is teetering on intimidation doesn't prevent other creators with less pronounced "logic skill" from entering. Nothing wrong with showcasing, but the tone of a few have been really off putting.

Pookachoo

03-12-2013, 06:35 PM

Trust me, my level will be cool. But I doubt it will win. This is gonna be fun. So far I've basically only completed the battling logic. And it's pretty cool. Today i'm trying to get my character sprites done and the level icon done. When it's finished, I hope that some people enjoy the level. Unless it's too laggy, in which I am afraid of.

Good luck, and keep an eye on the lag. There's a link in my signature for an article on lag reduction ;)

I hate to say this, but you guys are making me feel less confident about my creation. Even though I have a fun level with some comedy aspects, good visuals, and epic music, I don't know if it will be enough. Hopefully you guys will like it :p
Don't worry too much about what other creators are doing, just focus on making something that you love :)

well, alot of entries will be cool. I don't even mind if I win or not, this contest has inspired me to create something awesome. The least I could hope for, is to get just a few plays.
If you've been inspired to create something you're proud of, that's a "win" for you and for us. The crown is bonus for whom ever wins the contest, but everyone who gets inspired here is successful in my book.

I hope all this talk of self indulging "advanced logic skills" talk that is teetering on intimidation doesn't prevent other creators with less pronounced "logic skill" from entering. Nothing wrong with showcasing, but the tone of a few have been really off putting.
Sure, it's fine for any creator to show off a little, and self confidence is a good thing. If showcasing crosses over to intimidation or putting down other creators, that's a sign of lacking confidence and probably an indication that it's time to talk less and work more on the level.
In the end, everyone's level has to speak for itself :royalty:

theflashback02

03-12-2013, 08:46 PM

Can a friend help me ? :p

ForgottenEnigma

03-12-2013, 08:48 PM

Can a friend help me ? :p

Yes,

but in the result of a winning entry - the rewards will only go to the account that publishes the level.

theflashback02

03-12-2013, 09:05 PM

Yes,

but in the result of a winning entry - the rewards will only go to the account that publishes the level.

Ok thank you so much :p Will there any other contest after this one ?

Sorry for my english :/

ForgottenEnigma

03-12-2013, 09:07 PM

Ok thank you so much :p Will there any other contest after this one ?

Eventually, but we'll give the other lbp fansites a chance to host one first.