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JASON: THE THROES OF WAR IN REAL
TIME.
CURRENTLY, THE ENTIRE GLOBE
WATCHES AS EVENTS UNFOLD IN
ALEPPO, SYRIA.
JUST LAST WEEK, SOCIAL MEDIA
SITES SHOWED THE AFTERMATH O
DEADLY AIRSTRIKES AND THE EXODUS
OF CIVILIANS DURING A BROKERED
CEASEFIRE, LIVE-TWEETING UNREST
AND RECORDING EVENTS AS THEY
HAPPEN ARE THE NEW HISTORICAL
RECORDS OF AN EVER-CHANGING
WORLD.
WELL FROM THE WAR ZONE TO THE
, WAR AGAINST INNER CITY
VIOLENCE.
A RECENT REPORT BY THE ACLU
HIGHLIGHTS HOW POLICE
DEPARTMENTS USE SOCIAL MEDIA,
BUT WHAT ABOUT USING TECH TOOLS
FOR SURVEILLANCE?
HOW IT'S BEING USED MAY SURPRISE
YOU.
HERE'S KATE AMARA
KATE: JASON THIS REPORT CAME
, FROM THE ACLU OF NORTHERN
CALIFORNIA AND INCLUDED
MARKETING MATERIALS FROM THE
COMPANY TOUTING THE SOFTWARE'S
SUCCESSFUL USE HERE IN
BALTIMORE.
THE ACLU OF NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
DROPPED A BOMBSHELL IN ITS
REPORT THIS WEEK, CLAIMING A
SOCIAL MEDIA MONITORING SERVICE
FROM THE START-UP GEOFEEDIA IS A
FORM OF SURVELLANCE TECHNOLOGY,
WHICH CAN HAVE A
DISPROPORTIONATE IMPACT ON
MINORITY COMMUNITIES.
DAVID ROCAH, SENIOR STAFF
ATTORNEY WITH THE ACLU OF
MARYLAND, SAYS IT CAN ALSO HAVE
A CHILLING EFFECT ON FREE
SPEECH,.
>> BECAUSE TALKING ABOUT BLACK
LIVES MATTER, TALKING ABOUT
POLICE BRUTALITY, TALKING ABOUT
UNION ORGANIZING -- NONE OF THAT
IS ILLEGAL.
BUT IF THOSE BECOME THE HASHTA
OR KEYWORDS THAT GET YOU INTO,
BRING YOU TO LAW ENFORCEMENT
ATTENTION OR TO A LAW
ENFORCEMENT DATABASE, THEN YOU
ARE TAKING THESE TOOLS OF
DEMOCRACY AND FREE SPEECH AND
SUBVERTING THEM AND TURNING THEM
INTO TOOLS OF GOVERNMENT
SURVEILLANCE.
KATE: ACCORDING TO THE ACLU
REPORT, GEOFEEDIA MARKETING
MATERIALS TOUTED THE PRODUCT'S
SUCCESS FOR POLICE HERE IN
BALTIMORE DURING THE UNREST LAST
YEAR, CLAIMING BALTIMORE COUNTY
POLICE AS THEY HELPED SUPPORT
THE CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT TO
MONITOR PROTESTS AND "HELP THEM
STAY ONE STEP AHEAD OF THE
RIOTERS."
BALTIMORE COUNTY, BALTIMORE
CITY, HOWARD COUNTY, AND THE
LAUREL POLICE DEPARTMENT ALL
CONFIRM TO 11 NEWS THEY HAVE
CONTRACTS WITH GEOFEEDIA,
POINTING OUT THE SERVICE+
AGGREGATES ALREADY PUBLIC
INFORMATIO
>> THIS IS NOT PRYING OPEN A
DOOR OF PRIVACY.
THAT DOOR THAT'S SHUT WHERE YOUR
PRIVACY IS ON AND YOU'RE NOT
POSTING THINGS ON SOCIAL MEDIA
FOR PUBLIC CONSUMPTION, WE CAN'T
GET INTO THAT DOOR.
SO THIS IS A DOOR THAT'S ALREADY
OPEN THAT ANYONE CAN GET INT
AND SEE, AND THAT INFORMTION
ALREADY EXISTS.
KATE: THE ACLU CLAIMS IN THE
WAKE OF THEIR REPORT, FACEBOOK
INSTAGRAM AND TWITTER HAVE ALL
, SUSPENDED ACCESS TO THEIR DA
BY GEOFEEDIA, AND BECAUSE OF
THAT BALTIMORE COUNTY, CITY,
HOWARD COUNTY AND LAUREL POLICE
, TELL 11 NEWS THEY ARE NOW
REVIEWING THEIR GEOFEEDIA
CONTRACTS.
FOR 11 TV HILL, I'M KATE AMARA
JANE POPS THANKS.
JUST THIS WEEK, INSTAGRAM, AND
TWITTER TRIBE ACCESS TO THAT
SERVICE, ALLOWING THEM TO COMB
THROUGH SEVERAL SOCIAL MEDIA
FEEDS AT ONCE.
OUR ROUNDTABLE IS BACK TO TALK
MORE ABOUT THAT.
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
ME BEING ON A FEED, SEEING SOME
THE, CALLING 911 VERSUS POLICE
COMING THROUGH AND SEEING THAT
INFORMATION?
MR. SIEGLEIN: FROM A PRIVACY
STANDPOINT, I THINK WE GIVE UP
SOME PRIVACY WHEN WE START
POSTING ON TWITTER OR FACEBOOK.
WE KNOW IT IS A PUBLIC FORUM.
GEOFEEDIA COLLECTS THE DATA AND
ADDS GEOLOCATION INFORMATION TO
IT.
I THINK THAT IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE
SQUEAMISH ABOUT IT IS GREAT FOR
POLICE BECAUSE IT IS
INTELLIGENCE.
BUT WHEN THAT GEO DATA IS TAGGED
TO IT, SUDDENLY I CAN TRACK
PEOPLE VERY SPECIFICALLY, AND
THE FEDERAL TRADE COMMISSION HAS
BEEN FIGHTING THIS FOR ABOUT TWO
YEARS, FOCUSING ON GEO-TRACKING.
WALK INTO A STORE, AND YOU ARE
HOVERING NEAR THE JEANS AND THEN
GET ADVERTISEMENTS ABOUT BLUE
JEANS FROM AMERICAN EAGLE.
THERE IS A CREEPINESS FACTOR.
JASON: CREEPINESS, WE WILL TALK
ABOUT THIS CLOWN THING THAT WENT
ON LAST WEEK FOR WHILE.
HELPFUL TO HAVE THE POSTS AND
SHARES OF PEOPLE SEEING IT OR DU
THINK IT IS FUELING FEAR?
DR. WHITEHEAD: I DON'T KNOW, IT
IS VERY FRIGHTENING, BOTH AS A
PROFESSOR AND A PARENT.
THE NOTION OF HOW MUCH
INFORMATION YOU SHARE AND HOW
QUICKLY PEOPLE CAN GET ACCESS TO
YOU.
IN THE BEGINNING WHEN SOCIAL
MEDIA FIRST STARTED, WE WERE ALL
A LITTLE SQUEAMISH OF PUTTING
THE NAME OF OUR CHILDREN'S
SCHOOL OUT THERE.
SAY, YOU KNOW, I JUST DROPPED MY
KID OFF, NOT NAMING THE SCHOOL
SPECIFICALLY.
BUT NOW YOU HAVE OTHER PEOPLE
TAGGING IT, OTHER INFORMATION
COMING OUT, THE SCHOOLS TAGGING
YOU, SO IT IS HARD TO GET THAT
FINE LINE BETWEEN WHERE YOU ARE
INDIVIDUALLY AND WHERE YOU ARE
PUBLICLY.
IF YOU HAVE FACEBOOK, TWITTER,
YOU HAVE A PUBLIC PERSONA HE
WOULD EVEN IF YOU ARE SPEAKING
TO NOBODY, NOBODY IS LIKING
YOU, YOU ARE SPEAKING OUT TO
THIS VOID.
I GET A LITTLE NERVOUS WHEN
PEOPLE WALK UP TO ME READING
SOMETHING I WROTE ONLINE.
THEY DON'T KNOW ME, BUT THEY
CAN'T ONLY WHAT I HAD FOR
DINNER.
-- BUT THEY CAN TELL ME I HAD
FOR DINNER.
THAT MAKES ME LAUGH.
THAT IS SIMPLE.
BUT I ALSO WRITE CONTROVERSIAL
POSTS LIKE ABOUT BLACK LIVES
MATTER, POLICE BRUTALITY, BEING
A BLACK MOTHER WITH TEENAGE
BOYS.
NOW WE ARE TALKING ABOUT BIGGER
ISSUES, A MESH IN IT AND
CONTROVERSIAL.
THEN YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT WHAT
I HAD TO DINNER.
AND YOU WANT ME TO DEFEND WHAT I
WROTE INSIDE WHOLE FOODS OR AT
TRADER JOE'S OR SOMETIMES IN MY
OFFICE BECAUSE YOU READ AN OP-ED
I WROTE AND YOU WANT TO FIND ME
AND TALK ABOUT IT.
JASON: LET'S TALK ABOUT A
CONTROVERSIAL TOPIC.
IT HAS BECOME A HASHTAG.
KORYN GAINES.
POLICE ARE MAYBE PEOPLE WERE
EGGING HER ON HER SHE HAS
RECORDED INSTANCES WITH POLICE
OVER TIME.
I DO NOT KNOW IF THERE IS A
RIGHT OR WRONG HERE, BUT
EVERYTHING IS PLAYING OUT IN
PUBLIC.
IS THAT TROUBLING?
MR. SIEGLEIN: YO KNOW, YOU HAVE
THE PUBLIC RIGHTS, THE RIGHT TO
SPEAK OUT, AND I THINK SHUTTING
DOWN ACCOUNTS IS VERY RISKY,
CROSSING OVER A LINE, AND WE
HAVE TO BE CAUTIOUS WITH THAT.
IF IT IS IN THE GREATER GOOD OF
THE COMMUNITY, BECAUSE MAYBE
SOME VIOLENCE IS ABOUT TO
INTERRUPT, BUT STILL,IT IS A
TOUGH LINE TO CROSS IT DR.
WHITEHEAD: I THINK WITH KORRYN
GAINES, AND IT HORRIFYING
WHAT HAPPENED, A WOMAN SHOT WITH
HER CHILD IN THE CHILD INJURED,
AS WELL, HER POSTING IN
REAL-TIME, HAVING HER SON
RECORDED ON VIDEO SAYING DON'T
KILL ME, I DON'T WANT TO DIE,
AND ALL OF THIS BEING SHOWN
ACROSS THE LINE AS IT WAS
HAPPENNG IN REAL TIME.
AND THEN YOU HAVE THIS
INTRODUCTION OF BIG BROTHER, THE
POLICE DEPARTMENT SAYING WE ARE
GOING TO SHUT IT DOWN FOR HER
OWN SAFETY.
SOME OF US HAD THIS FEELING,
YOU'RE SHUTTING IT DOWN BECAUSE
WHAT YOU ARE GETTING READY TO
DO, NOT THE CAUSE OF HER SAFETY.
DOES SHE HAVE THE RIGHT TO STAY
AT HOME?
SHE DOES NOT HAVE TO COME OUT IF
YOU ARE CALLING HER AT IWATCH
LAWN ORDER -- IWATCH LAW AND
ORDER SVU, AND YOU DO NOT HAVE
TO STEP OUT OF YOUR HOME IF YOU
DO NOT WANT TO.
YOU SAW, KIND OF OVER HER
SHOULDER, WHAT THIS HAPPENING,
AND IT WAS HORRIFYING.
SO THERE IS A FEAR OF DISTRESSED
WHEN THEY ARE SHUTTING DOWN THE
ACCOUNT, IS IT FOR HER OR TO
PROTECT THEMSELVES.
JASON: A SINGLE WORD -- TROLLS.
TROLLS HAVE CHANGED THE WORLD.
DR. WHITEHEAD: TROLLS ARE VERY
SCARY.
A GREAT ARTICLE CAME OUT IN THE
TIMES ABOUT THE NOTION OF THE
TROLLS AND HOW IT IS A GROWING
POPULATION.
THEY GET TOGETHER AND WORK IN
GROUPS WHO THEY SEASON ZYNGA
DON'T LIKE, AND THEN THEY GO
AFTER AN ATTACK RELENTLESSLY
THROUGH SOCIAL MEDIA -- THEY SEE
SOMETHING THEY DO NOT LIKE.