What I'm getting at is you are concerned for the lives of military overseas doing things to protect this country...but can't see who it compares to the lives lost every day/year in this country. If I die in Iraq, it's noble/honorable. If I get murdered in my sleep here at home... ???

Again, you say we've blown $4 trillion. That leaves us with the assumption that NOTHING good has come out of our presence in Iraq. But, what is that $4 Trillion covering? Soldier pay. Contracts. Construction. Medical Care. Show me where that $4 Trillion has gone to (obviously not down to the penny). What you are doing is throwing out some arbitrary number.

Could we use it here in the States? Absolutely. But you're blaming the Federal Government for not intervening on your States behalf. What is your state doing to intervene? Where is the money your state is spending going to if not building schools, churches and businesses in this country?

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If you take the "U" out of "STUD", you get STD. I'm just saying.

What I'm getting at is you are concerned for the lives of military overseas doing things to protect this country...but can't see who it compares to the lives lost every day/year in this country. If I die in Iraq, it's noble/honorable. If I get murdered in my sleep here at home... ???

Again, you say we've blown $4 trillion. That leaves us with the assumption that NOTHING good has come out of our presence in Iraq. But, what is that $4 Trillion covering? Soldier pay. Contracts. Construction. Medical Care. Show me where that $4 Trillion has gone to (obviously not down to the penny). What you are doing is throwing out some arbitrary number.

Could we use it here in the States? Absolutely. But you're blaming the Federal Government for not intervening on your States behalf. What is your state doing to intervene? Where is the money your state is spending going to if not building schools, churches and businesses in this country?

It's about the many programs that have been downsized or flat out eliminated. The hole in your argument from the soldier's point of view is--they would receive compensation if we would have stayed in Afghanistan (or better yet actually focus on real terrorists). Regardless, my main complaint is the needless waste of money when it came to contracting, civilian personnel, etc, etc. Contracts that were handed out that cost hundreds of times more than what was realistically fiscal. Not to mention, the failed promises of "it's only gonna cost $60 billion!!" You can take away the cost of the actual military and still have an enormous debt load that has severely added to this country's financial crisis. We were lied to and we seemed to have just swallowed it without any question whatsoever. If we do question where our hard earned money is going, then we're labeled unpatriotic and un-American. That's bullshit. The government has forsaken the military also. Google this and you'll find countless soldiers that gave their bodies and many even their lives only to be written off when they arrived home. The Defense Dept. doesn't want to take responsibility for the soldiers that laid their lives on the line for us. IMO, if you can't afford to take care of them when they get home they you can't afford to go to war. If you, as a soldier, are at ease with the way your fellow soldiers have been neglected then so be it. But I find it disgusting and unacceptable.

EDIT: Do a little research and you'll find that the money we've spent in Iraq ISN'T included in our National Debt. Just another way to keep out attention elsewhere. the whole situation is just Effed up. If you're happy with the way thikngs turned out then that's your right. But some of us wanted more.

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"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest. --Denis Diderot

local news tonight showed that a severe storm system moved into rural texas and killed several horses in a flooded stream and caused dozens of others to be evacuated and relocated.

to this point there is no scheduled obama visit to the disaster site. infact, no govt aid or even a presidential letter sent to the dead horses families is planned. infact, obama didnt even mention it in his 100 day address.

WHERE IS THE MEDIA OUTRAGE???

surely atleast PETA has got to get fired up by this latest presidential blunder.

But we're going to cry about a stimulus plan AFTER blowing $4 trillion in Iraq? That's the double standard I can't wrap my mind around. That's all. How about we spend some of that money building schools, churches, and businesses in this country. Oh wait...that's Socialism if we do it here.

Thats one way of looking at it. Doesnt mean you're right. I seriously doubt you will change anyones mind around here though.

MANGUM, Okla. — "I'm an animal lover. I can't do this," the Rattlesnake Derby Princess insisted as she winced and chopped off the serpent's head.
Despite misgivings, Courtney Lewis, 17, says the three-day rattlesnake roundup, which ended Sunday, "really represents the tradition and pride" of this Oklahoma city of fewer than 3,000 people. Hunters from across the prairie flocked to the 44th annual Mangum Rattlesnake Derby to reel in Western diamondback rattlesnakes.

Snakes headline the festival that brings an estimated 35,000 visitors each year to jolt the economy. The festival isn't the largest of its kind but still boasts 1,500 pounds of snakes from area fields.

Visitors can watch rattlers get beheaded, gutted and skinned at the derby's Butcher Shop, but organizers are adamant that it is educational and family-friendly. Every event is "something you can bring your 4-year-old to," co-director Kerry Kendall says. The Shortgrass Rattlesnake Association, which runs the event, has even turned down beer sponsorships.

"It's a wholesome, clean weekend," Kendall says. "We call (the Butcher Shop) the only strip show in Greer County."

rattlesnake roundups reeks of republican recreation.

i was sure obama woulda paid a visit to liberate or offer assistance to the snakes.

how dare the media not give notice to obama ignoring this slaughter of innocent snakes and child endangerment?

Originally Posted by HAWK View Post
But we're going to cry about a stimulus plan AFTER blowing $4 trillion in Iraq? That's the double standard I can't wrap my mind around. That's all. How about we spend some of that money building schools, churches, and businesses in this country. Oh wait...that's Socialism if we do it here.

That's weak.

We went into Iraq with broad support and agreement from our politicians on both sides of the aisle.

We have not been attacked on our soil in 8 years so it can be argued that the end justifies the means.

Sure, it's a helluva lot of money towards war but to argue THAT as justification of multi-trillion dollar government deficit spending for "economic reasons" is ridiculous.