Yeah, only the richest and most sophisticated type of audience pay to see meat-headed Bruce Willis and The Rock action movies.

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Do you simply not know how to enjoy something for what it is? I'm looking at my DVD/Blu-ray shelf and I see an eclectic collection of films with Commando and 2001 sitting right next to each other.

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Why isn't your shelf alphabetized?

I seriously don't get the hipster too cool for Abrams Trek thing that I've seen here. Star Trek Movies have never been "Fun." THey've been really dorky people trying to make really dork jokes for a very specific dorky audience.

That's how we get things like Data singing Life Forms, becoming a flotation device and Picard doing the mambo or Kirk and Spock singing row row row your boat after they failed to meet god, or an entire subplot of Deanna Troi being raped for fun. Or Worf being promoted on an old sailing vessel in full 18th century costume.

THis is why STar Trek died in 2002. Then was kept on Cartoonish life support for 3 more years.

Let's face it, with the exception of nu-Trek, Star Trek hasn't been good since the spring of 1999.

I seriously don't get the hipster too cool for Abrams Trek thing that I've seen here. Star Trek Movies have never been "Fun." THey've been really dorky people trying to make really dork jokes for a very specific dorky audience.

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And I don't get the "pre-Abrams Trek has no redeeming qualities and deserves to be forgotten" attitude thing I've seen here.

The truth is that for 30 years Star Trek was one of the world's more popular TV/movie franchises. And things people often ridicule pre-Abrams Trek for (stilted dialogue, battle scenes you can makes sense out of, lack of lens flares) are what drew people in. And if it weren't for people tuning in to see that week after week and going to theatres to see the eight movies that were released in the first thirty years, then there wouldn't be anything for Abrams to modernize and his fans wouldn't have the chance to enjoy the 2009 movie or STID. Everything Abrams Trek is it owes to Prime Trek. Undeniable fact.

Many of the things you hold against the latest film were in TWOK as well and many fans believed TWOK wasn't "true" Star Trek.

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Wrath of Khan has thematic depth, strong characterisation and a sense of timing, patience and maturity to its storytelling. Compare the Kobayashi Maru test in both films. Tells you everything you need to know about why I vastly prefer STII.

His motivations were. Khan fully accepted the role to build life on Ceti Alpha Five, but Six blew up and killed Marla, and Khan got mad at Kirk for the planet blowing up and killing her. Spock tried to help Nero save Romulus but was too late. Nero blamed spock for Romulus blowing up.