Is there a way for someone using a mac to do the 3.1 vignette using the drafting program, sorry if this was asked before? I did unwillingly sign up for the NCARB cloud program since i'm on a 64bit mac, but I can't figure out how to do alt vignette on it. Is there an other source for the drafting program for a mac that I'm missing?

I also have a 64 bit mac air. I use parallels and windows 7. Some of the features don't run smoothly. But it does run. I did not figure out how to do alt vignettes. What I did was to also practice the computer one. Then also did some alts on paper.

Are there additional practice vignettes available for the building section similar to what we had for the schematic Design Vignettes? I downloaded the one Coach posted on this thread. If there is , then please let me know from where I could download them.

I have a question regarding the 3.1 version. I opened up the link provided and the example does not indicate the entire plan. Does the large open room have the mechanical room or does the mechanical system come from the adjacent second floor?

huskerarch wrote:I have a question regarding the 3.1 version. I opened up the link provided and the example does not indicate the entire plan. Does the large open room have the mechanical room or does the mechanical system come from the adjacent second floor?

I've been reading through the joist/duct combo discussions, and I believe I understand it: You are not simply looking for the two largest depths (of joists and ducts), but rather which combination is the largest depth. Then you use the largest combo to figure out your plenum.

However, I'm wondering if this has become a moot point with the ARE 4.0? They seemed to have simplified things with 4.0: reason being, ALL the joists on level 1 are 24" deep (see below for 4.0 Practice vignette combos)... so all you need to figure out is deepest duct. And, Level 2, all the largest ducts are 20" deep, so you only need to be aware of the joists.

Do they make it more complicated on the actual exam? (making the joist/duct thing more of an issue than in the practice?)

I took it, and failed the vignette portion. Pretty vexed, considering I found it to be incredibly easy. Apparently I was wrong.

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Here are the joist/duct combos from the ARE 4.0 Practice Vignette software:

I recently failed the vignette portion of CDS and would very much like access to practice the 3.1 version but I cannot find it anywhere. The "Plan" portion of the ironwarrior site at the beginning of this thread - Plan: http://ironwarrior.org/ARE/Building_Tec ... TUT2W1.DWG - does not open for me and it is no longer available on NCARB's website. Where can I find it? Thank you!

Create alt folder.To download, right click and "save as" to alt folder. Rename new file (if necessary) to match existing. Before substituting, rename original file by adding .bak to end of name. (For example, ctut12345.dwg becomes ctut12345.dwg.bak)Copy the alt file into the same folder as original.

Never save an alt dwg file from within cad.

After the switch you may receive error/warning message when starting the ncarb software. Just click ok (or whatever) and the program will run normally.

I have a Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit operating system, but I am not able to run the 3.1 software ncarbp31(2006).exe or PPsetup(2008).exe from the iron warrior site. When I tried to run the .exe files, I was told "The version of this file is not compatible with the version of Windows you are running..." Anyone has the same problem?Which version of Windows is able to run the 3.1 software properly?

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I just did. I tried all the possible compatibility setting modes: Windows XP (Service Packs 2 and 3), Windows Vista, Windows Vista (Service Packs 1 and 2) , Windows 2000. None of the settings worked. I also downloaded the same .exe files and tried to run them on my friends Windows 8 computer, using all the possible compatibility settings. But it didn't work either. Is it possible that the .exe files are corrupted?

I have a mac, i installed vmware with a virtual windows xp machine. Ncarb software works fine. I replaced dwgs with all kinds of sample vignettes that i found around the web.Do not try windows 7. It wont work. Compatibility mode doesnt work. As ncarb mentions you need to install windows xp virtual machine. But you need to purchase that separately. For 80$ or so. Replacing dwg wont work on the ncarb cloud service either. Its protected.

I just want to throw my two cents into the comments: I passed Construction Documents exam under the 3.1 system on my first try. But because I did NOT pass Bld Technology 3.1, I have had to take all sections of them again under the 4.0 system. No matter.I have failed three times now the CD 4.0 and will take it again for the fourth time in a few weeks. While any extra studying couldn't hurt, my thoughts are to study everything you can get your hands on.

BTW, if I passed Structures from this past Tuesday, then CD&S is my last and final exam. Good luck to everyone out there.

Hey guys, my exam is schedule after three days from now and i want to practice in vignette 3.1. unfortunately, I am unable to install it, also couldn't download the material from the link given above in the same message chain. please help me finding software for vignette 3.1 along with the dwg and pdf files.

Jal wrote:Hey guys, my exam is schedule after three days from now and i want to practice in vignette 3.1. unfortunately, I am unable to install it, also couldn't download the material from the link given above in the same message chain. please help me finding software for vignette 3.1 along with the dwg and pdf files.

Jal wrote:Hey guys, my exam is schedule after three days from now and i want to practice in vignette 3.1. unfortunately, I am unable to install it, also couldn't download the material from the link given above in the same message chain. please help me finding software for vignette 3.1 along with the dwg and pdf files.

Regarding the largest joist duct combo; is this for ducts and joist which are on top of each other only? Or is it the combined depth of the largest duct and largest joist per the floor which does not necessarily mean they are stacked and require the larger clearance. This may be too detailed for the vignette but I would like to clarify what exactly the largest joist duct combination is; is it just per floor or do they need to be on top of each other? Thanks-

Marcos - Think of it this way. It is understood that the second floor and the roof covering the second floor is all on one level and the laboratory or other high volume space has a level roof. The high volume roof does not need to align with the other roof. If you just took the joist size and the duct size at the section and set the floor level to that depth requirement then it would stand to reason that would be the maximum for that level/roof. If you cut an 8x8 duct in one room and there is a 24" duct across the building you cannot have an 8" duct space. Likewise if you have a 16K joist at your room and there is a 32DLH in another portion of that floor plate then it does not compute.

Hope that clarifies it a bit. Maximum per floor or roof area. Divide the areas up so you know what is what at the very first part of the vignette.

Hi,I couldn't find an answer for this. Is there a place where I can download the 3.1 version of the software so I can practice alt vignettes? I got the dwg files from the previous post (thanks!) but no software to run them.