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Re: Felch Discussion Part 4

Originally Posted by The Daz

Kubo really didn't think her through; he propably just went "I need a cute comic relief supporting character for Hueco mondo! Members of the opposing organization becoming allies worked well in the Soul Society arc, so I'll just create an adorable little hollow kid, who was an officer in Aizens army! GENIUS!" and forgot the bit about hollows being ferocius undead things that kill people.

You give Kubo too much credit. Nel originally was only a cute comic relief kid. And then when Nnoitra came along, Kubo went, "Oh! What if Nel was really a former Espada........somehow! People love awesome plot twists like that!" right on the spot.

Re: Felch Discussion Part 4

Originally Posted by Nobodyman

You give Kubo too much credit. Nel originally was only a cute comic relief kid. And then when Nnoitra came along, Kubo went, "Oh! What if Nel was really a former Espada........somehow! People love awesome plot twists like that!" right on the spot.

you know kubo way too well my freind his like the master of unplanning.

Re: Felch Discussion Part 4

Anyway, on the subject of Nell, theres a thing that everyone, myself and Kubo included, curiously keeps forgetting. And that is that she's a soul eating monster created by consuming unmeasureable amounts of other monsters, and was one of Aizens top officers. Fighting back against Nnoitra who was a dick to her is understandable, but we never get told why she became a "good guy". Kubo really didn't think her through; he propably just went "I need a cute comic relief supporting character for Hueco mondo! Members of the opposing organization becoming allies worked well in the Soul Society arc, so I'll just create an adorable little hollow kid, who was an officer in Aizens army! GENIUS!" and forgot the bit about hollows being ferocius undead things that kill people.

I don't think it's so much of her becoming a good guy intentionally or by some change of heart. She was a loyal member of Aizen's army and a competent Espada as far as I can tell. Didn't she get skull damage and forget her memory though? That was the change.

She was never told her past by her two subordinates and basically just lived for years as some innocent slobbering child. Ichigo comes along and takes care of her. She likes Ichigo and becomes his friend and now she's on Ichigo's side. Ichigo is hurt and she regains her memory and remembers that she was betrayed and oh....look she's facing the guy that betrayed her and now hurt her new friend.

If she's a good guy it's because of circumstance. She's a betrayed Espada who lost all connection with her former alliance and is now helping out those who helped her.

Re: Felch Discussion Part 4

Originally Posted by Nobodyman

You give Kubo too much credit. Nel originally was only a cute comic relief kid. And then when Nnoitra came along, Kubo went, "Oh! What if Nel was really a former Espada........somehow! People love awesome plot twists like that!" right on the spot.

I re-read those chapters some time ago and I'm pretty sure there was some decent foreshadowing for Nel being more than just a brat.
Even if it was made up on the spot, even Oda did this kind of (haki comes to my mind, in relation to chapter 1 and its late introduction - I heavily doubt Oda planned Haki right from chapter 1 onwards). It's completely ok as long as it does not create plotholes. Not everything Kubo does is an asspull. In most cases you notice those by being completely ridiculous and out-of-line, which the Nel issue was not in my opinion.

Re: Felch Discussion Part 4

Originally Posted by Outerspec

I don't think it's so much of her becoming a good guy intentionally or by some change of heart. She was a loyal member of Aizen's army and a competent Espada as far as I can tell. Didn't she get skull damage and forget her memory though? That was the change.

She was never told her past by her two subordinates and basically just lived for years as some innocent slobbering child. Ichigo comes along and takes care of her. She likes Ichigo and becomes his friend and now she's on Ichigo's side. Ichigo is hurt and she regains her memory and remembers that she was betrayed and oh....look she's facing the guy that betrayed her and now hurt her new friend.

If she's a good guy it's because of circumstance. She's a betrayed Espada who lost all connection with her former alliance and is now helping out those who helped her.

Re: Felch Discussion Part 4

Originally Posted by f-trash

I re-read those chapters some time ago and I'm pretty sure there was some decent foreshadowing for Nel being more than just a brat.

Such as...........?

Even if it was made up on the spot, even Oda did this kind of (haki comes to my mind, in relation to chapter 1 and its late introduction - I heavily doubt Oda planned Haki right from chapter 1 onwards). It's completely ok as long as it does not create plotholes. Not everything Kubo does is an asspull. In most cases you notice those by being completely ridiculous and out-of-line, which the Nel issue was not in my opinion.

Actually, it does create plotholes, as it's been said already. Why is Nel a good guy now? Why does being robbed of your power turn you into a kid?

Not to mention it was stupid, unnecessary and was never brought up again.