And there's Trayvon Martin in the top row, in a case in which the "Stand Your Ground" defense was not used.

it may not have been used in the final trial, but zimmerman invoked it when the shooting happened, which is why the police didn't make much of an investigation at the time. note that 35% of the cases where it was invoked were "not charged or dismissed by prosecuters" - that's a big chunk of cases that presumably _would_ have have been subjected to at least judgement, prior to "stand your ground"._________________aka: neverscared!

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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 1:37 am Post subject:

No, it really isn't. The only thing that might have changed would be Zimmerman being arrested the night of the shooting rather than later. Zimmerman would still quite likely have been acquitted because the SYG statute, ultimately, had no bearing on the actual trial itself. Ergo, it's not a Stand Your Ground case. Even your link quotes a juror mistakenly citing SYG as a reason for acquittal.

No, it really isn't. The only thing that might have changed would be Zimmerman being arrested the night of the shooting rather than later. Zimmerman would still quite likely have been acquitted because the SYG statute, ultimately, had no bearing on the actual trial itself. Ergo, it's not a Stand Your Ground case. Even your link quotes a juror mistakenly citing SYG as a reason for acquittal.

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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2014 10:41 am Post subject:

Darqcyde wrote:

Mindslicer wrote:

No, it really isn't. The only thing that might have changed would be Zimmerman being arrested the night of the shooting rather than later. Zimmerman would still quite likely have been acquitted because the SYG statute, ultimately, had no bearing on the actual trial itself. Ergo, it's not a Stand Your Ground case. Even your link quotes a juror mistakenly citing SYG as a reason for acquittal.

Do you think we'd even be having this conversation about SYG if it wasn't for the Trevon Martin case? Maybe, but maybe not.

No, it really isn't. The only thing that might have changed would be Zimmerman being arrested the night of the shooting rather than later. Zimmerman would still quite likely have been acquitted because the SYG statute, ultimately, had no bearing on the actual trial itself. Ergo, it's not a Stand Your Ground case. Even your link quotes a juror mistakenly citing SYG as a reason for acquittal.

Do you think we'd even be having this conversation about SYG if it wasn't for the Trevon Martin case? Maybe, but maybe not.

Does that make the case a Stand Your Ground case in the legal sense?

No, but it does make it a Stand Your Ground case in a cultural sense, in that cases like it will be more common if Stand Your Ground is re-enforced.

WINTER HAVEN, FL (WFLA) - A family in Winter Haven shot and killed a burglary suspect, according to the Winter Haven Police report.

Officers responded to the burglary call around 6:50 a.m. Monday. When they arrived to 4219 Lake Marianna Drive they found the burglary suspect, identified as 40-year-old Mitchell Large, dead in the residence.

According to WHPD, the suspect was a complete stranger to the family who lived in the house. Police said, the homeowner Luis F. Pena, 54, his wife Bacenbina A. Pena, 53, and their son Luis A. Pena, 27, were all home when they heard a noise early Monday morning. A forth person, Lilliana E. Pena, 20, was also inside of the home, but did not witness the incident.

Luis A. Pena went to check on that and found somebody rattling the french doors leading off a back porch area. He pulled out a gun and fired a shot trying to scare off the intruder but the burglar didn't stop.

The young man went back to the kitchen where his mother and father were, both armed. Police say Large continued to charge at the residents and the three of them all shot at the intruder when they saw him.

At least one of the shots hit Large, of Winter Haven, in the torso. An autopsy is currently being conducted.

Detectives haven't confirmed how many times the Penas pulled the triggers, but the intruder was dead when the law enforcement arrived. They continue to investigate.

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