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Yes, but, no. There's a reason it's called a "theory" - to me it doesnt prove anything, save that there is an evident paradox... which it would take yonks to resolve. Just another of those mysteries surrounding mankind.

As a footnote, I would add that pleasure is immaterial. Man may very well find pleasure in pain.

Hmm... I get your point. But the theory of relativity is just a theory too. Spend some time in the Sirius Galaxy, and we might just prove it wrong. So, any theory could be nothing more than just that.

And man can find pleasure in anything I guess. Some people find pleasure in murder. So surely they can find pleasure in work.

Yay, my court hearing for worker's compensation is tomorrow morning. Can't wait to see how the system fucks me over this time!

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Not so fast. I'm sure there are many categories of imaginative people who love working. Those who earn huge salaries, those who actually like their jobs and don't have shitty ones, those who have found jobs in the fields of their passion.

I definitely don't relate, but I know tons of people who work upwards of 70+ hours a week and love every minute of it.

I've noticed people who are very unimaginative find it easy to work more. Anyone else have this experience?

I have noticed that people who are actually interested in bettering their lives find it easy to work more. (Such as having a goal or working toward something.) People who are satisfied or see no personal benefit seem to have a hard time just getting their dumb-ass moving. This is what is occurring as we speak...people are getting used to others providing for them and assuming everything will be taken care of. They are happy with their lot in life. They see no sense of urgency in their labor so why bother. Personally, these types of people sicken me.

People who are satisfied or see no personal benefit seem to have a hard time just getting their dumb-ass moving. This is what is occurring as we speak...people are getting used to others providing for them and assuming everything will be taken care of. They are happy with their lot in life. They see no sense of urgency in their labor so why bother. Personally, these types of people sicken me.

I might have to disagree with you. Am I satisfied with my job? Not really, but I do keep looking for a job in the field that I went to school for? Yes of course I do infact I just filled out another application just now. But it's frusterating when no one will hire you. I do feel like I'm wasting myself away becuase I don't have my "real job"? Oh god yes but I keep looking and I haven't gave up yet.

I have noticed that people who are actually interested in bettering their lives find it easy to work more. (Such as having a goal or working toward something.) People who are satisfied or see no personal benefit seem to have a hard time just getting their dumb-ass moving. This is what is occurring as we speak...people are getting used to others providing for them and assuming everything will be taken care of. They are happy with their lot in life. They see no sense of urgency in their labor so why bother. Personally, these types of people sicken me.

I live in a semi-socialist country (farrrrr more socialist than most Americans could imagine), and I am satisfied in my work. According to your assessment, I should be working just enough to get by and expecting everything to be handed to me. However, I teach ~25-30 hours a week, and with lesson-planning and administrative work, I actually work ~45-50 hours a week. And I'm looking for more clients to take on, as well as working on my SP and getting my own language agency running. I'm also constantly reading and researching (and I go to seminars when I can) to build upon my skills and improve my work. I'm a liberal semi-socialist who supports unions and high taxes... and I work my damn ass off.

It would appear you're conflating socialism (or semi-socialism) with the removal of the impetus to better one's life / do good work, which I don't think Moto did in his post.

Isn't that always what he's doing? Haha... anyway, he definitely heavily implied that he was referring to people who use social benefits (and are OBVIOUSLY socialists, right?)... "people are getting used to others providing for them and assuming everything will be taken care of. They are happy with their lot in life. They see no sense of urgency in their labor so why bother. Personally, these types of people sicken me."