It is sad that Dane Wigington and John Massaria do not address false claim made by Mick West:Mick: Because, [laughs, pause], because it’s falling, basically. You’re looking at a very small thing. A jet plane’s contrail is very very large, if you imagine it heats up that thing, and it wasn’t just a simple cup of water, it was huge train load of water, and threw that up in the air, you would get cloud that would kind of hang around for a lot longer. There are also other reasons as well, the particles that form from….

This had already been explained again and again in other article in TheTruthDenied. It is sad that both chemtrails representative do not use science to deny this claim.

Science document deny this claim:
http://science-edu.larc.nasa.gov/contrail-edu/science.html“Some of that water vapor comes from the air around the plane; and, some is added by the exhaust of the aircraft.”

Also another false claim:Mick: … the air is full of particulate matter. Everywhere, even in the clouds or not in the clouds, there’s particulate matter everywhere, there’s no shortage of particulate matter. The stuff that comes out of the black of the plane helps the contrails to form a little bit, but if it was perfectly clean, if it was just spraying water out of the back of the plane, you’d still get a contrail, because there’s particulates in the atmosphere.

Contrail and Cirrus Cloud Avoidance“Cirrus clouds can evolve from spreading persistent contrails known as primary cirrus or contrail cirrus (2). Secondary cirrus occur due to locally increased soot and aerosol concentration, which might lead to the formation of cirrus clouds that would not form in the absence of air traffic (3; 4; 5).”

Keep in mind that the effect of double sun, halo around the sun or moon, white out, cirrus clouds cover the whole sky can be attributed to ice crystal, ice crystal that will easily form if there are nano particle floating in the sky. More nano particle in the sky will resulted to more dimming, more white out, more light refraction, etc. Floating nano particle is serious problem now, intentional of not this problem must be solved immediately.

A clear sky would not let contrails to form shadow, a phenomena that some people notice nowaday. Contrails shadow indicate something is covering the sky. Sulfur nano particle layer may have blue color. So it can easily fool people into believing that the sky is clear, when there is blue layer of transparent clouds.

There are dozens (can be more) of people who testify health problem because of chemtrails. I am certain that chemtrails produce real health problem because I have personally witness it myself and trying desperately to protect my family from the harm caused by chemtrails.

I believe that it is better if we just call chemtrails as chemtrails and use solely fact. Against a chemtrails denier, it is best to avoid explaining chemtrails with geoengineering, cloud seeding, SRM, or aluminium. Make the other people acknowledge contrails as serious problem instead of trying to explain too many term. Sky should be blue. White sky is a bad sign. We should convince people that a white smoke coming from plane is sign of pollution. Debunker do their best to make contrails appear harmless. Make people realize this disinformation.

8 Responses “Learning from the debate between Dane Wigington and Mick West”

Craig

December 5, 2017 at 10:39 AM

truthdenied says:

“It is sad that Dane Wigington and John Massaria do not address false claim made by Mick West: [because they can’t?]
Mick: Because, [laughs, pause], because it’s falling, basically. You’re looking at a very small thing. A jet plane’s contrail is very very large, if you imagine it heats up that thing, and it wasn’t just a simple cup of water, it was huge train load of water, and threw that up in the air, you would get cloud that would kind of hang around for a lot longer. There are also other reasons as well, the particles that form from….

“This had already been explained again and again in other article in TheTruthDenied. It is sad that both chemtrails representative do not use science to deny this claim.

Hello Craig,
Who is denying the truth as you have stated in your last sentence of your comment to this post? Also, you stated “You will get more than a gallon of water out of a gallon of jet fuel-A during combustion, and most ice crystals from persistent contrails don’t even come from the aircraft: There is plenty of science behind this”. If it is not being expelled from a plain via a “contrail” then how are the white lines in the skies that are being emitted from airplanes taking place? Are you stating that it is an illusion? Love to hear back from you on the matter.
Thanks for your concerns.http://www.thetruthdenied.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/20120921094621-1UFO21a-e1503034391925.jpg

Yes, most persistent contrails water do not come from the aircraft, but aircraft is still the one that cause it. Small amount of particle from the aircraft is enough to cause persistent contrails. And that create problem. All the water will start to cling on the small particle released from jet exhaust, instead of freely floating to create nimbus clouds that reduce global warming or create rain.

It is an accepted fact that persistent contrails cause regional warming. and it would not be a surprise if the persistent contrails keep holding the water and later the water will fall all at once like a broken water reservoir, causing excessive rain that cause flood, land slide, etc.

With that in mind Sucahyo , when you said “persistent contrails cause regional warming. and it would not be a surprise if the persistent contrails keep holding the water and later the water will fall all at once like a broken water reservoir, causing excessive rain that cause flood, land slide, etc.”. Is this being done on PURPOSE?

Bottom line is that deliberate or accidental, aviation pollution is getting off the hook and if we pushed for that, any of the other weaponized programs we know that are piggy backing on the plausible deniability of “chemtrails” will have greater scrutiny and thus a harder time doing so.