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If any of you have one of those Polish P64's, would you please post some measurements form it? Length, width, etc. How is it to shoot?

_________________"Almost all the world's constitutions are documents in which governments tell the people what their privileges are. Our Constitution is a document in which "We the people" tell the government what it is allowed to do. "We the people" are free." - Ronald Wilson Reagan, 1/11/1989My friends, never forget this.

It's a thin but heavy gun that isn't as nice to handle or shoot as the Makarov is, but it costs less up front.

I really don't know why, but I don't like shooting mine, I'd rather shoot my P3AT. Safety isn't easy to use, grip feels too low, if you go high grip to feel better, it can bight you, and the sights are the typical ComBloc suggestion of a notch.

But as a BUG, I'd feel safe knowing it will work for close up last ditch work.

If you want a 9X18 gun, get a Mak or a CZ 82, they are the best.

If you want a $200 piece of history from eastern Europe, and want to pop off a few rounds every blue moon...there are worse ways to spend your money.

I've never shot a p64 but I have it's successor, the p83 Wanot. It's fine (notice I didn't say fun) to shoot because from what I read it fixed all the shortcomings of the p64 which are as amp and ajole described I guess. So, by extrapolation, I can infer that the p64 would be less fun than that to shoot. But they are inexpensive and from what I hear they are reliable. But I would suggest any other mak shooting gun for CC I guess without actually having shot anything other than my CZ82 and the P83 in Mak caliber. The CZ 82 is a fine medium/small piece, all metal, very accurate, easy to field strip for cleaning, inexpensive (but going up), and holds 12 rounds in the mag. And it can be carried cocked and locked. The mags drop free under their own weight when the ambi release is pushed and the safety is also ambidextrous. There is nothing about this pistol I don't like other than the caliber. 9 x18 is scarce as hens teeth right now along with everything else. But I really haven't looked for it recently either.

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Just because you are unnatural, bizarre, bring problems on yourself, and don't fit in does not mean I dislike you...well, yeah it does

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Thanks fellas. I like the idea of the CZ82 also, but can't find any out there. Also, wrt a CZ8s vs. a Tok, the 9x18 ammo seems easier to find.

_________________"Almost all the world's constitutions are documents in which governments tell the people what their privileges are. Our Constitution is a document in which "We the people" tell the government what it is allowed to do. "We the people" are free." - Ronald Wilson Reagan, 1/11/1989My friends, never forget this.

9x18 ammo is not only easier to find it's generally cheaper than 7.62x25 as well. The Tokarev is still a much cooler pistol than any 9x18 but the CZ82 is probably the most practical of them all if you're looking for a carry or defense pistol.

_________________Well that oughta be easy for a genuine son of a bitch.

Thanks fellas. I like the idea of the CZ82 also, but can't find any out there. Also, wrt a CZ8s vs. a Tok, the 9x18 ammo seems easier to find.

ampersand wrote:

9x18 ammo is not only easier to find it's generally cheaper than 7.62x25 as well. The Tokarev is still a much cooler pistol than any 9x18 but the CZ82 is probably the most practical of them all if you're looking for a carry or defense pistol.

Correction- 9x18 USED to be easier to find. Nothing is easy to find now.

All I've ever bought is Novibirsk or whatever it's called. $10 a box of 50. I liked that. And I have never had any issues with them. Shot clean and always shot.

“It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.” — General George S. Patton

May we always realize the cost of our freedom. We can never repay them, but the very least we can do is uphold the ideals that they died protecting and honor them in the choices we make each day.

”If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.” -James MadisonIt's gettin close boys. The time is near.

The greatest RE-productive force is human selfishness (Say NO! to population growth!).

--No good deed goes unpunished--

When we do good, nobody remembers, when we do bad, nobody forgets. --unknown

Just because you are unnatural, bizarre, bring problems on yourself, and don't fit in does not mean I dislike you...well, yeah it does

“Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!” ― Hunter S. Thompson

I still have a pretty good supply of Silver Bear but I did see Brown Bear the last time I was at J&G. I have found all of the Russian 9x18 to work well. Some (Tula then Wolf) can be pretty dirty. I've never bought any marked 'Novosibirsk' but have been told that's the same plant the 'Bear' ammo is from.

Randy wrote:

...Correction- 9x18 USED to be easier to find. Nothing is easy to find now.

All I've ever bought is Novibirsk or whatever it's called. $10 a box of 50. I liked that. And I have never had any issues with them. Shot clean and always shot.

_________________Well that oughta be easy for a genuine son of a bitch.

I still have a pretty good supply of Silver Bear but I did see Brown Bear the last time I was at J&G. I have found all of the Russian 9x18 to work well. Some (Tula then Wolf) can be pretty dirty. I've never bought any marked 'Novosibirsk' but have been told that's the same plant the 'Bear' ammo is from.

Randy wrote:

...Correction- 9x18 USED to be easier to find. Nothing is easy to find now.

All I've ever bought is Novibirsk or whatever it's called. $10 a box of 50. I liked that. And I have never had any issues with them. Shot clean and always shot.

Well if it is made at the same it's much less expensive than the others. It's a pretty snappy round but I haven't got anything to compare it to.

“It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived.” — General George S. Patton

May we always realize the cost of our freedom. We can never repay them, but the very least we can do is uphold the ideals that they died protecting and honor them in the choices we make each day.

”If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy.” -James MadisonIt's gettin close boys. The time is near.

The greatest RE-productive force is human selfishness (Say NO! to population growth!).

--No good deed goes unpunished--

When we do good, nobody remembers, when we do bad, nobody forgets. --unknown

Just because you are unnatural, bizarre, bring problems on yourself, and don't fit in does not mean I dislike you...well, yeah it does

“Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming "Wow! What a Ride!” ― Hunter S. Thompson

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