You have a point there moon sidhe and I agree with Amivera in that there is a great deal of emphasis placed on appearances and the physical aspects of their relationship. I always found it odd that they don't really do anything together. There are a few odd times that they go to Prom or watch a movie, but most of the time they just sit around talking about their relationship or becoming a vampire; having essentially the same conversation over and over must get boring.

You know, I think if you try to look for a logical reason, and make a case for it, lust makes more sense. But I don't think there was much logic or reason in their falling for each other. It just happened.

You are in my blood like holy wineand you taste so bitter but you taste so sweetOh I could drink a case of you darlingAnd I would still be on my feet

You know, I think if you try to look for a logical reason, and make a case for it, lust makes more sense. But I don't think there was much logic or reason in their falling for each other. It just happened.

I think when any sort of love comes into anything the logic and reason are thrown out the window.

Kachiti wrote: While you might see it that way, the book infer and says love not lust.

The book also says Bella is a smart and selfless person, but I very much see otherwise. First rule: Show, don't Tell.

Isn't that how you get to know person, by asking questions.

Maybe it's just me, but favorite colors always end up last, like when there's nothing left to talk about, rather than as the main topic of conversation. I was just thinking, these are two highschool kids... talk about popculture, talk about music, talk about movies, talk about BOOKS, talk about school or favorite subjects, parents, life before... The whole "Favorite gemstone?" "Favorite color?" thing was a bit boring, like it was thrown in there as a last-minute thing.

Kachiti wrote: While you might see it that way, the book infer and says love not lust.

The book also says Bella is a smart and selfless person, but I very much see otherwise. First rule: Show, don't Tell.

Isn't that how you get to know person, by asking questions.

Maybe it's just me, but favorite colors always end up last, like when there's nothing left to talk about, rather than as the main topic of conversation. I was just thinking, these are two highschool kids... talk about popculture, talk about music, talk about movies, talk about BOOKS, talk about school or favorite subjects, parents, life before... The whole "Favorite gemstone?" "Favorite color?" thing was a bit boring, like it was thrown in there as a last-minute thing.

KaseyHeartEdward wrote: This kind of guy is hard to find.

He is. It's so sweet!

KaseyHeartEdward wrote:But i really don't think lust was involved.

Lust was most definitely involved, I think we can all agree on that.

Lol i don't know. i think i just see lust as "i am ready to jump in your pants here and now" lol.

I see Bella's and Edward's relationship beging with attraction and curiosity.

Amivera wrote:The book also says Bella is a smart and selfless person, but I very much see otherwise. First rule: Show, don't Tell.

What ? I don't understand the point your trying to make.

It's a basic rule of writing. Don't tell the reader the blanket is soft, show how it is soft; it paints a clearer picture of what your describing with less adjectives. Her point is that a lot of what Meyer tells the reader about Bella and the other characters is contradicted with what is shown through their actions and reasoning. We are told to believe that Bella is a selfless person but she has shown herself to be quite selfish as well and thus, the contradiction.

Auctorita wrote: We are told to believe that Bella is a selfless person but she has shown herself to be quite selfish as well and thus, the contradiction.

Is anyone ever completely selfless? I think it's an interesting question. Short of being Mother Theresa I believe that not many are. Bella commits both selfless and selfish acts. I think on the whole, she's a more selfless person than not. But that's a discussion for another thread.

You are in my blood like holy wineand you taste so bitter but you taste so sweetOh I could drink a case of you darlingAnd I would still be on my feet

moon sidhe wrote:Is anyone ever completely selfless? I think it's an interesting question. Short of being Mother Theresa I believe that not many are. Bella commits both selfless and selfish acts. I think on the whole, she's a more selfless person than not. But that's a discussion for another thread.

moon sidhe wrote:Is anyone ever completely selfless? I think it's an interesting question. Short of being Mother Theresa I believe that not many are. Bella commits both selfless and selfish acts. I think on the whole, she's a more selfless person than not. But that's a discussion for another thread.

Thanks for making replying easier

Sorry! I can re-post this in the Bella thread if you'd like.

You are in my blood like holy wineand you taste so bitter but you taste so sweetOh I could drink a case of you darlingAnd I would still be on my feet