Clash of Worlds

A Young Australian Muslim sent me a list of questions expressing his concern as a Muslim living in Australia. I believe they can shed light on how Muslims think and their concerns. My replies are also included.

I am a Year 11 student from … School. My Research Project is focusing on the following hypothesis “Why are Islamic youth losing connections with their religion in Australia?”

I will write an essay which will outline some of the main issues confronting Muslim youth in Australia, as well as illustrate the importance of providing support for Muslims in Australia.

I intend to interview a number of experts regarding whether it is possible for traditional Islamic philosophy to exist in harmony in Australia in order to develop a better understanding of Islamic culture. I will also conduct surveys with the wider community to develop an understanding of the public’s opinion regarding this issue.

I thank you in advance for your cooperation,

1-How are young Muslims losing their faith due to lack of education?

Muslims are losing their faith, whether young or old and the reasons are multiple. Islam is not compatible with science, with ethical and moral values, with democracy and with commonsense.

Two factors contributed to the growth of Islam: a) ignorance and b) brute force. Islam has always been incompatible with the above mentioned values. Muslims are not allowed to question Islam. “Believers, do not ask about things which, if revealed to you, would disappoint you. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith.” (Q. 5: 101-102)

Muslim authorities did their best to keep Muslims ignorant and instill in them religious fervor and fanaticism. This is however, not possible in the age of the Internet. Now anyone can access to any information and Muslims are asking questions they are not supposed to ask and when they get the answer, they lose their faith. There is nothing the authorities whose livelihood depends on Islam can do to stop the exodus of Muslims from Islam short of banning the Internet completely. As that is not likely to happen, Muslims will continue losing their faith and leaving Islam and this process with accelerate in future.

Education is the main reason that Muslims are losing their faith. So do you think denying them education would be a solution? That is what the real Muslims such as al Qaida and Boko Haram believe. Their view is in fact very much in accordance to Islam. But that requires another article.

2. How are young Muslims being influenced by western culture?

What do you mean by western culture? Are you talking about equality of men and women, democracy, equal rights for all the people irrespective of their religion, freedom of conscience and belief, freedom of speech, respecting the right of the children to their childhood? Although these values originated from the western enlightenment, they are universal values, embraced by people of all cultures and races with the exception of Muslims. Muslims can’t adopt these values because they go against the Quran and the sunnah of their prophet. In Islam women are not equal to men. All men do not have equal rights. Islam condones slavery and regards non-Muslims as inferior, najis (filthy) and second class citizen. Islam allows marriage to children as young as nine and according to some schools there is actually no age limit for marriage. Khomeini had intercourse with a five years old girl, with the consent of her father.

Most Muslims are decent people and when they compare their religion to the so called western values that are based on humanism they see the inferiority of it and lose their faith.

Not only Islam is incompatible with our time, it has not been compatible with any time. The cultures that succumbed to Islamic invasion were invariably superior to Islam. They all lost.

3- Why are many young Muslims drinking and doing drugs?

Islam has lost it legitimacy. Muslims realize this and since many of them can’t find a new path to follow they give in to hedonism. Islam is a wrecked ship. If you stay in it you get drowned. If you jump out of it you may get drowned. Muslims have to find a new ship. This is a personal choice and each person has to find his or her own spiritual path. It is better that Muslims drink and engage in out of wedlock sexual activity than become suicide bombers. Between the two evils it is better to choose the lesser evil. However, hedonism and materialism leave one empty spiritually. These people will eventually want to find a spiritual path and they will.

4- Do young Muslims have too much freedom in Australia?

This question comes from a Muslim mentality and it is a wrong question. The world is changing. We can no longer restrict the freedom of the people. Today’s kids have access to all the information and are in touch with people of all cultures. You cannot limit their freedom. You can do that physically, as they do in Islamic countries, but you can’t control their minds. How can you limit people whose mind is liberated? Will you chain them? Will you flog them? We must abandon such primitive and backward thinking and embrace the change. With freedom Islam will lose and Muslims will win. They won’t win as Muslims but as people. This is our identity, not Islam.

5- What can be done to help young people improve their relationships with Islam?

Why do we need to do such thing? What is the benefit? If someone asks what can be done to help people eat dirt, shouldn’t we ask why? What have those who have improved their relationship with Islam have achieved? Many of them joined jihad, and became suicide bombers. Even those who don’t join jihad live a miserable life filled with ignorance, laziness and hatred of other people. Shouldn’t we first make sure that Islam is a true religion of God? You seem to have taken that for granted. But is there any evidence to such belief? No! There is absolutely no evidence that Islam is a true religion. All facts show that it is not. The Quran contains thousands of errors, and Muhammad lived a very unholy life. Before trying to improve our relationship with Islam we should make sure Islam is indeed from God. This is something Muslims could not do for 1400 years and now they can. The Internet allows every Muslim to search for the truth without putting his or her life in danger.

6- What are the consequences of young Muslims losing their connection with Islam?

They will stop seeing the world divided between believers and kafirs and will lose the concept of us versus them. They will begin to see themselves firstly as humans, and members of human family. Instead of learning how the unbelievers will go to hell and that as Muslims they should stay away from them as prescribed in Quran 3:28 and numerous other verses, they will go after science, education and progress. Instead of seeking martyrdom and dreaming about virgins they will work to better the world and contribute to the wellbeing of mankind.

Compare Muslim countries to non-Muslim countries. Why Muslims do everything possible to leave the Islamic countries and live in non-Muslim countries? Doesn’t Islam have anything to do with the backwardness of Muslims?

My suggestion to Muslims who want to keep their relationship with Islam is to please go back to their Islamic havens and leave the non-Muslim countries to the kafris and sinners. If you want Islam you have plenty of that in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and where you came from. Please pack and go and leave us alone. We don’t want your Islam and your 72 virgins. You can have them all. Why share them with others?

7- Do you think Australia’s attitude to Muslims is having a negative effect on them?

Muslims have migrated to western countries without integrating. They don’t hide their disdain and hatred of their hosts. They think of themselves as better and superior, demand special privileges such as designated placed for prayer, halal meat served in public institution, elimination of freedom of speech when it hurts their petal delicate sensitivity, etc. The majority of them doesn’t contribute to the economy and live on welfare, off the taxes that others pay. And as statistics show, their rate of crime is astronomically higher than others. Most Muslims either support or justify Islamic terrorism. It is normal that people start reacting to such obnoxious behavior. Things will get worse and in some countries there will be confrontation between non-Muslims and Muslims. We are humans and there is a limit to our patience. The cup of patience of non-Muslims is overflowing.

The answer is not to demand others to bend over backwards more to accommodate us. It is time that Muslims pull their heads out of the sand and learn that tolerance is a two way street. How non-Muslims are treated in Islamic countries? They are persecuted, killed, jailed and can’t even hold a Bible study class in their own home with their friends. Yet Muslims in non-Muslim countries keep demanding more privileges, want to build mega mosque everywhere and promote their hatred of their hosts right in their country.

One thing that is absent in the psyche of Muslims is the Golden Rule. Muslims think nothing wrong in abusing the rights of others while they demand that their needs should be met preferentially.

Why don’t you rephrase the above question and ask, what can we Muslims do to gain the trust of the Australians who have opened their doors to us and allowed us to escape from our Islamic hellholes. That would be an honest question.

8- What are some of the implications of young Muslim women losing their Islamic dress and identity?

The implication is that they lose their identity as walking talking vagina and become human. Normal people cover their private parts. A woman, who thinks her entire body should be covered, is sending the message that my entire body is private part, that every inch of my body is the extension of my vagina and erotic. Why women in Pakistan should be called awra? Awra is the origin of the English word awry. It means crooked, defective. It also means pudenda, and something shameful that needs to be covered. And that is how women are called in Pakistan.

Women who cover themselves in veil are broadcasting to the world “we are nothing but sexual organ”, from head to toe. It is a disgrace. The veil denigrates the woman; it robs her humanity and reduces her to a sex object. A veiled woman should not demand respect when she has no respect for herself.

What is the meaning of the veil? It started when the old Muhammad saw young men eyeing his young and beautiful wives. So he ordered them to cover themselves from the prying eyes of men and sternly warned the believers, “The Prophet is closer to the Believers than their own selves, and his wives are their mothers.” (Q. 33:6) “And when you ask (his wives) for anything you want, ask them from behind a screen, that is purer for your hearts and for their hearts. And it is not (right) for you that you should annoy Allah’s Messenger, nor that you should ever marry his wives after him. Verily! With Allah that shall be an enormity. (Q. 33:53)

He also admonished his wives, “O wives of the Prophet! Whoever of you commits an open illegal sexual intercourse, the torment for her will be doubled, and that is ever easy for Allah”(Q. 33:30) “You are not like any other women. If you keep your duty, then be not soft in speech, lest he in whose heart is a disease should be moved with desire, but speak in an honorable manner.” (Q. 33:32)

As you see, it is clear that veil was Muhammad’s way to control his wives. It has nothing to do with purity and chastity. It has everything to do with Muhammad’s jealousy and paranoia that young men may marry his young wives after him.

9- What role does social medium have on young Muslims losing their Islamic identity?

The Internet and the social media allow Muslims to compare the evolving values of non-Muslims to the fossilized and primitive values of Islam that have no hope of every ridding themselves from the dark ages of the seventh century.

It’s a losing battle. You can shackle bodies but you can’t shackle minds. Muslims are waking up and are realizing that the cause of their backwardness is Islam. This religion offers no hope, not for this world and not for the next. The promises of virgins for martyrs don’t fool the thinking minds. The message of “kill other humans so you can have sex for eternity,” can only impress the fools. We are entering a new age of enlightenment. We are discovering that we are humans first and foremost. The beliefs that divide mankind and promote hate of others are not from God. Muslims read and question the Quran and they see this book is wrong on almost every point. I foresee the fall of Islam in the coming decades. Muslims can no longer keep their heads under the sand and pretend they don’t see. The Islamic terrorism is the result of Islam and denial of it is no longer possible. Muslims are seeing the truth. They are leaving Islam and this exodus will only grow in the coming years.

Why would anyone want to have Islamic identity? Isn’t your identity as a human being enough? Islam destroyed all the cultures, butchered raped and plundered the people and denigrated their vastly superior cultures imposing on us its savagery. Why we need this identity. Islam has been only the cause of our downfall and will continue to be the source of our humiliation in the world. Why would we need to identify ourselves with terrorists and savages? Muslims are the only people who cling to their religion as their identity. That is because Islam has robbed their identity, denigrated their cultures and destroyed their dignity as humans. They have nothing else to cling. Other people have first their humanity as their identity, then their culture. Muslims have no culture. Nothing of their culture is left.

Now you live in Australia. Why can’t you be an Australian like everyone else? And if that is beneath you why don’t you return to your Islamic homeland? What is the point of coming to a non-Muslim country and wanting to change it into an Islamic country? If Islam is better, why migrate? Why don’t you go back?

Ali Sina is a Canadian-Iranian former Muslim and the founder of Faith Freedom International, which he describes as a grassroots movement of ex-Muslims. He is the author of Understanding Muhammad and is searching for a publisher for his newest book, The Life of Muhammad under the Light of Reason, which is a complete Biography of the Prophet of Islam.

I doubt that my dear Ali will accept your kindness because of the last paragraph of your comment – "(Note which is Important : I don't want Islam to die but would want to repair it so that words like peace and love get accommodated)".

Sir Sina, I am a manager at a … real-estate company, and I would like to serve you for your cause, I will try to ask some of my close seniors here who I believe are not so happy with islam. For sure they have loads of money and if my trials to convince them bears fruits we might have a healthy donation. But before that to happen, I will have to overcome many hurdles…you know what they are. But genuine sincerity I will try my best and let you know.

Actually Rt now I am on holidays in a country where your site is not blocked. Thats why I was able to read. More than 30% of the holiday time I have dedicated to this website and it's contents. I had such a inspiration from it that a moslem got liberal in a matter of 5 days of open-minded reading of your website.

I have a topic in my mind which, I am sure you haven't thought of, which I want to discuss with you, I still have 12 days at my disposal before I leave this beautiful country and enter the part of the world which hates your website and you also. So sir, as I find suitable time I will discuss it with you on this website.
(Note which is Important : I don't want Islam to die but would want to repair it so that words like peace and love get accommodated)

Guys it is good to debate. But being a moslem I would ask you to make this site's content to reach to the people of countries like Algeria, Saudi, Iraq, Syria where this site is banned. But the content has to reach to these countries by some other methods…instead of arguing here think about how we can convey the truth.

Firstly…I am a Mohammedan. Yes Nida your comments were expect-able. I know, even a person from any other religion will get enraged when he/she reads something which is against his/her religion. But I request from the kindest bottom of my heart, that please make a research on whichever 'offending-claim' you find here on this site whether it's really true or it's just a false-offending-claim. I am sure that with the backing of your researches you will feel more confident to reject and condemn those (if they are) false-offending-claims.

Uneducated?? ohh really UNEDUCATED IS YOU AND YOUR FAMILYY!!! youu dog n pigg SHAMEEEE OONNNN YOUUU ALL SHIAS LISTEN CAREFULLY !! LANAT ON THIS MAN WHOEVER HE IS HE SHUD DIE ONN HELLL N IN THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT WE WILL MEET N I WILL BE LAUGHING ATT UUUUU CAOOOO

#You quoted Moududi when it suited your agenda…………….
BROTHER I SAYS THE AUTHORITY OF THE ISLAM ,IS QURAN /SUNNA ,I AM NOT BLINDLY BELIEVER OF MOUDUDI,HIS FIRST COMMENT ABOUT KILLING DELEGATE IS THE TRUTH ,EVIDENCE IS THERE FOR IT (http://alquraan.net/letters/letters_2.html#LETTER TO HERACLES CAESAR),BUT THERE IS NO EVIDENCE IN DARUL HARAB………………..

IF ALI SINNA SAYS 2+2=4 AS A MATHEMATICAL LAW I BELIEVE HIM…………………BUT HE SAYS 2+3=8 I DON'T BELIEVE HIM ,BEC'S IT AGAINST THE LAW………………..BELIEVE/NOT BELIEVE IS DEPEND WHAT THEIR CLAIM/ARGUMENT/COMMENTS ABOUT A SUBJECT ,ITS HAS VALIDITY OR NOT ………..

#Islamic sources tell us,…………………….
MY LAST POST I SAYS BROTHER MOUDIDI NOT AUTHORIZES PERSON FOR ISLAM,ISLAMIC SCRIPTURES ARE QURAN & SAHIH HADITH ,PLZ BRING THE EVIDENCE FROM IT BEC;S
Malik :: Book 46 : Hadith 46.1.3
Yahya related to me from Malik that he heard that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "I have left two matters with you. As long as you hold to them, you will not go the wrong way.>>>>>>>>> They are the Book of Allah and the Sunna of His Prophet.<<<<<<<<<"

U'R QUOTE FROM MOUDIDI OPINION THAT IS NOT VALID HERE…………..

I AGREED WHAT (THEY R MEETING WITH ROMAN FOR THE PEACE AGREEMENT& >>>>>>>>>>>>>>POSITIVE DAWA (WELCOME THEM TO ISLAM)…// )<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
THAT NOT FORCED CONVERSION,AS MUSLIM EVERY ONE HAS RESPONSIBILITY TO WELCOME TO NON MUSLIM PPL TO ISLAM……………………

#This does not extend to unbelievers……………..WHAT FOOLISH WAS THAT WHAT THE REQUIREMENT OF MUSLIM SPYING AGAINST MUSLIM….. IS IT POSSIBLE?

#There are several hadiths permitting deceptive tactics towards non-muslims. …………
[al-Anfaal 8:39] &[al-Tawbah 9:5]
(8:39) And fight against them until the mischief ends and the way prescribed by Allah – the whole of it -prevail31 Then, if they give up >>>>>>mischief<<<<<<, surely Allah sees what they do.
Ibn Kathir SAYS
31. This is a reiteration of the purpose, mentioned earlier in al-Baqarah 2: 190-193
2:190 SAYS FIGHT THE ENEMY WHO COME TO FIGHT WITH U:
They continuously broke their agreements and aided others against the Muslims, they started hostilities against the Muslims, barred others from becoming Muslims, expelled Muslims from the Holy Mosque and even from their own homes. At least eight times the passage mentions their misdeeds against the Muslims. Consistent with restrictions on war elsewhere in the Qur'an, the immediate context of this "Sword Verse" exempts such polytheists as do not break their agreements and who keep the peace with the Muslims (9:7). It orders that those enemies seeking safe conduct should be protected and delivered to the place of safety they seek (9:6). The whole of this context to v.5, with all its restrictions, is ignored by those who simply isolate one part of a sentence to build their theory of war in Islam on what is termed "The Sword Verse" even when the word "sword" does not occur anywhere in the Qur'an.

#Book 019, Number 4294……………I DON'T KNOW .WHAT PROBLEM WITH THAT? NO FORCED TO ANYONE PAY JAZIYA ,THEY CAN LEAVE FROM ISLAMIC STATE ,LIVE AS MUCH AS THEY CAN……….
THERE R THREE OPTION IN NON MUSLIM >INSIDE< THE ISLAMIC STATE
1) ACCEPT ISLAM…………
2) LIVE INSIDE THE ISLAMIC STATE AS A NON MUSLIM WITH PAY JAZIYA (PROTECTION TAX/CHARITY FOR THE POOR)
2) NOT WILLING PAY JAZIYA , MIGRATE FROM THE ISLAMIC STATE,THEY CAN LIVE ANY WHERE OUT SIDE THE COUNTRY WITH THEIR BELIEF ………..

IN ISLAMIC STATE MUSLIM MUST PAY ZAKATH(OBLIGATORY FOR CHARITY/PROTECTION) ,NON MUSLIM PAY JAZIYA FOR THEIR PROTECTION /CHARITY……………..BEC'S CHARITY FOR THE POOR IS OBLIGATORY TO BOTH MUSLIM/NON MUSLIM………….

Nida,
Your preoccupation with wanting to know your fellow muhammadan's sect is an indication of your interest in interdenominational cleansing. This is in keeping with Muhammad's position that out of the numerous his group will splinter into, only one will be right. The rest of them will be false and have to be eradicated.
If only one out of 73 is correct, does that not tell you that the representative sample is so small as to give the correct picture of the whole unit? The 72 divisions, which are wrong, tell a better story of the whole than the remaining one.
72 out of 73 represents 98.6% of the whole. That paints a clearer picture of what muhammadanism really is.
What then is the purpose of your wanting to know the affiliation of every muhammadan commentator on this site?

Nida,
Muhammad came from and returned to hell dragging all of you with him because none of you can think independently.
Your accusing me of being the author of the hadith quoted by KLMNOP is a good example of not knowing your literature. I am not KLMNOP either. Forever, I remain IHATEISLAM.

Nida,
Obviously, you are ignorant of what you profess. Religious knowledge embraces an adherent going beyond what the cleric tell him by finding things out for himself. Unfortunately, muhammadans have no such intellectual disposition. They rely solely on and parrot whatever they learn from their uneducated imams. There are so many non muhammadans on this blog whose grasp of the subject is by far better than yours because unlike you, no imam limits them to what he wants them to know.
Muhammad forbade a muhammadan from asking questions, not to think of challenging an imam, no matter how much in error he may be.

@Nida
The ancestors of this slave prophet ,who migrated from Saudi Arabia were involved in boot polishing of infidels on the streets of Bombay .Such was there qualification .They and you too must salute and pray us infidels instead of that BS Mohammed ,his Allah and that idiot Hussein,for showing the utility of petroleum.Don't worry We will send these Arabs and all Muslims again for boot-policing employment . This guy is Sunni ,no use for you hahaha!!!!!.

shabby,
How has posting the whole of Bukhari 5:9:29 helped your cause? if anything, it destroys whatever your were trying to put up as a defense. The verse imposes the duty of fighting the people of the book on muhammadans. The conquered people must pay the jizyah with willing submission and feel subdued or humiliated. If they refuse to submit or feel subdued, then they must be made to realize that.
The pact of Umar with the Khasraj Christians and the practice of dhimmitude in muhammadan conquered territories demonstrate this. In a muhammadan dominated country, who is the non muhammadan to be protected from which calls for his having to pay jizyah?
The devilish deity called allah, that instituted jizyah, knew that the tax is evil, that is why it says that when 'Jesus' returns, one of the things he will do will be the abolition of jizyah.
The true Jesus will destroy allah and the falsehood it has propagated leading to the deaths of millions as is being witnessed in many parts of the world presently.

slave mentality,
Quit day dreaming and read the post by KLMNOP confirming that Muhammad slept or had sex with his aunt, Fatima, Ali's mother. I know your talk of leaving muhammadanism if the fact was presented was empty. That had been done before.
Your prophet did not only set the example for necrophilia, he was a child abuser and incestuous as well. Your hadiths say that he would suck on the tongues of his grandsons, Hassan and Hussein. He would suck on the tongue of his daughter, Fatima, and muzzle his face in her bosom every night before going to bed. Had Muhammad lived in today's world, he would have been jailed for child molestation. There is a very strong indication that he may have defiled those children. Anybody who did what he has been charged with was capable of defilement.
This proves to you that Muhammad was evil and if you still see him as a saint, then you are knuckleheaded beyond description.

@Nida
hi…. Nida I am Abdu Rasool. My ancestors came in India 19 century from great land of Arab. I am fully dedicated for my mission of Islamistan of whole world. I believe by 2020 Islam will be in every house of world. World 95% people will be believer in prophet & Allah.

FIRST MY BROTHER GO TO SCHOOL & STUDY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DELEGATE & SPY,THEN COME TO HERE FOR CRITICIZING ISLAM……….. //

Muhamad was a military leader and his men were combatants or militants.They fought battles,period. http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/maudu…
Islamic sources tell us Muhammad wanted (2)to extend the influence of Islam to the adjoining countries and (4)to prepare the Muslims for Jihad against the non- Muslim world.

This means that Muhammad's delegates went to Caesar on his behalf to convert non-muslims or to wage war if they refused.

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THAT IS COMPANION OF PROPHETS ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF ISLAMIC STATE ,THEY R MEETING WITH ROMAN FOR THE PEACE AGREEMENT& POSITIVE DAWA (WELCOME THEM TO ISLAM)…//

And here you agree,their sole reason was to convert the romans.Peace is only granted when they submit and embrace islam or pay the jizyah in accordance with surah 9:29
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Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 73 :: Hadith 92 and surah 49:12 prohibits muslims from spying on one another.This does not extend to unbelievers.There are several hadiths permitting deceptive tactics towards non-muslims.
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IT IS JUST A CONCEPT OF MOUDUDI ,NOT PROPHET(SA) & TRUE FOLLOWERS OF THE PROPHET
BEC'S HIS CONCEPT COMPLETELY CONTRADICT TO THE VERSES //

You quoted Moududi when it suited your agenda but when I use the same sources against you,then you claim it's only Moududi's opinion.The quran contradicts itself.It has verses prescribing no compulsion and verses prescribing forced conversions.The "no compulsion" verse was abrogated by the verse of the sword.http://islamqa.info/en/34770
scroll down to the end of this link:This verse is known as Ayat al-Sayf (the verse of the sword). These and similar verses abrogate the verses which say that there is no compulsion to become Muslim.

If his not an authority on Islam then don't quote him.You want evidence from the hadith that Muhammad forced people to accept islam,then go here: http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadit…
Book 019, Number 4294:
It has been reported from Sulaiman b. Buraid through his father that when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) appointed anyone as leader of an army or detachment he would especially exhort him to fear Allah and to be good to the Muslims who were with him. He would say: Fight in the name of Allah and in the way of Allah. Fight against those who disbelieve in Allah. Make a holy war, do not embezzle the spoils; do not break your pledge; and do not mutilate (the dead) bodies; do not kill the children. When you meet your enemies who are polytheists, invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them. Then invite them to migrate from their lands to the land of Muhairs and inform them that, if they do so, they shall have all the privileges and obligations of the Muhajirs. If they refuse to migrate, tell them that they will have the status of Bedouin Muilims and will be subjected to the Commands of Allah like other Muslims, but they will not get any share from the spoils of war or Fai' except when they actually fight with the Muslims (against the disbelievers). If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them. When you lay siege to a fort and the besieged appeal to you for protection in the name of Allah and His Prophet, do not accord to them the guarantee of Allah and His Prophet, but accord to them your own guarantee and the guarantee of your companions for it is a lesser sin that the security given by you or your companions be disregarded than that the security granted in the name of Allah and His Prophet be violated When you besiege a fort and the besieged want you to let them out in accordance with Allah's Command, do not let them come out in accordance with His Command, but do so at your (own) command, for you do not know whether or not you will be able to carry out Allah's behest with regard to them.

"I (Muhammad) put on her my shirt that she may wear the clothes of heaven, and I SLEPT with her in her coffin (grave) that I may lessen the pressure of the grave. She was the best of Allah’s creatures to me after Abu Talib"… The prophet was referring to Fatima , the mother of Ali.

The Arabic scholar Demetrius explains : "The Arabic word used here for "slept" is "Id'tajat," and literally means "lay down" with her. It is often used to mean, "lay down to have sex." Muhammad is understood as saying that because he slept with her she has become like a wife to him so she will be considered like a "mother of the believers." This will supposedly prevent her from being tormented in the grave, since Muslims believed that as people wait for the Judgment Day they will be tormented in the grave. "Reduce the pressure" here means that the torment won't be as much because she is now a "mother of the believers" after Muhammad slept with her and "consummated" the union." ]

This is the reason why Egypt has come up with the Islamic law,

Egyptian husbands are legally allowed to have sex with their dead wives – for up to six hours after their death (sex performed after six hours will be considered adultery and the husband will be beheaded and buried with the wife)

#(9:29) – "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day…………..PLZ POST COMPLETE VERSES HERE IN FRONT OF THE PUBLIC ,WHY R U HIDING OTHER PART OF THE VERSES,THAT ALLHA SAYS CORRECT ,THAT IS
Bukhari :: Book 5 :: Volume 58 :: Hadith 281
Narrated Ibn Abbas:
They, the people of the Scriptures, divided this Scripture into parts, believing in some portions of it and disbelieving the others.
9:29 Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the People of the Scripture, >>>>>>>>>until they pay the Jizyah<<<<<<<< with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
JIziya depend the people capability:
Bukhari :: Book 4 :: Volume 52 :: Hadith 287
Jizya prohibited some poor’s:
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 88 :: Hadith 208
Jizya prohibited to oppressed/weak/torment people:
Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6327 6328, 6329, 6330
Forced jizya prohibited:
Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6328
Muslim :: Book 32 : Hadith 6330
Jizya a charity for poor:
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 43 :: Hadith 656
Bukhari :: Book 3 :: Volume 34 :: Hadith 425
Muslim :: Book 1 : Hadith 287 ,289
Non Muslim Women & children no need to pay jizya & only for wealthy non Muslim:
Malik :: Book 17 : Hadith 17.24.44 ,17.24.46
Jiziya for the protection for non Muslim
Dawud :: Book 19 : Hadith 2955

FIRST MY BROTHER GO TO SCHOOL & STUDY THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN DELEGATE & SPY,THEN COME TO HERE FOR CRITICIZING ISLAM………..
spying:
A person employed by a government or other organization to >>>>>>>secretly obtain information on an enemy<<<<<<<< or competitor.
A person who keeps watch on>>>>> others secretly<<<<<<<: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/engl…
delegate:
a person designated to act for or >>>>represent another<<<<< or others; deputy; >>>>>representative<<<<<, as in a political convention.
2.
(formerly) the representative of a Territory in the U.S. House of Representatives. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/delegate
ISLAM PROHIBITED SPY WORK
49: 12. O you who believe! Avoid much suspicion, indeed some suspicions are sins. And >>>>spy not, neither backbite one another<<<<<. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? You would hate it (so hate backbiting) . And fear Allah. Verily, Allah is the One Who accepts repentance, Most Merciful
Bukhari :: Book 8 :: Volume 73 :: Hadith 92
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "Beware of suspicion, for suspicion is the worst of false tales. and do not look for the others' faults, and do not do spying on one another, and do not practice Najsh, and do not be jealous of one another and do not hate one another, and do not desert (stop talking to) one another. And O, Allah's worshipers! Be brothers!"

THAT IS COMPANION OF PROPHETS ARE REPRESENTATIVE OF ISLAMIC STATE ,THEY R MEETING WITH ROMAN FOR THE PEACE AGREEMENT& POSITIVE DAWA (WELCOME THEM TO ISLAM),THERE IS FORCED CONVERSION IN ISLAM WITH NUMBER OF QURANIC VERSES I PROVIDE MY LAST POST……. BUT THE CRIMINAL ROMAN BLINDLY /BRUTALLY KILLED THE DELEGATES & AMBASSADOR OF AN ISLAMIC STATE……

#make the whole of Arabia a perfect Dar-ul-Islam, ………

IT IS JUST A CONCEPT OF MOUDUDI ,NOT PROPHET(SA) & TRUE FOLLOWERS OF THE PROPHET
BEC'S HIS CONCEPT COMPLETELY CONTRADICT TO THE VERSES
“God only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you
for (your) faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support
(others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship
and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumst
ances), that do wrong.” (H.Q. 60:9)
KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE PROHIBITED
2:83,2:84,85,86,4: 90,91,5: 28,8: 72,9: 4,17:33,25: 68,49: 6,

WAR DECLARE ONLY THE PPL WHO COME TO ISLAMIC STATE FOR FIGHT(2:190),
Jihad declare only the people who broken the agreement/mischief land/terrorism/injustice (42: 42. ,9: 12,9:13,4: 75,5: 33,42: 39)
BROTHER MOUDIDI NOT AUTHORIZES PERSON FOR ISLAM,ISLAMIC SCRIPTURES ARE QURAN & SAHIH HADITH ,PLZ BRING THE EVIDENCE FROM IT BEC;S
Malik :: Book 46 : Hadith 46.1.3
Yahya related to me from Malik that he heard that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "I have left two matters with you. As long as you hold to them, you will not go the wrong way.>>>>>>>>> They are the Book of Allah and the Sunna of His Prophet.<<<<<<<<<"

Nida,
Your prophet was the worst coward starting from Badr he chose to lead the fight from behind and after Uhud, he wore two coats of amour and was surrounded by a bevy of Ansari body guards. Your prophet was the embodiment of evil and nothing negative said about him is exaggerated. Nobody with a modicum of decency would want to be associated with such a devil incarnate.

Muhammad is said to have slept with the corpse of Ali's mother so that she would pass as one of his wives in his paradise. His reason was that after having been orphaned and rejected by others, it was Ali's mother who fostered him so to compensate her, he had to make her his wife for the benefits of the afterlife.

Spy,minions or delegates; in this context there's hardly any difference.

PROBLEM 2: KILLED AN INNOCENT AMBASSADOR OF AN ISLAMIC STATE), who had been sent to him on a similar minion.//
Muhammad sent his minions to invite the romans to islam,so that they may be protected…from him and his companions.That is not innocent people delivering pizzas but a clear threat to war,so if 15 of his minions were killed (which I doubt is true) it was still infact a defensive move on the romans part.They did not invade Muhammad's territory and plunder it.It stopped there.

[NOT THE POINT THEIR INTENTION WAS NOT CONQUERED THE ROME,BUT SECURITY OF THE MUSLIM)//
False,islamic sources give us 4 reasons for conquering rome.
Here it is :http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/maududi/introductions/mau-9.php
Problems of the Period
1.to make the whole of Arabia a perfect Dar-ul-Islam,
2.to extend the influence of Islam to the adjoining countries,
3.to crush the mischiefs of the hypocrites, and
4.to prepare the Muslims for Jihad against the non- Muslim world.

THIRD POINT WAS ENEMY COME TO FIGHT WITH MUSLIM//
Wrong again! The same islamic sources tell us that there was no enemy to fight,when Muhammad arrived at Tabuk.it was all a lie.
From Madudi:When they arrived at Tabuk, they learnt that the Caesar and his allies had withdrawn their troops from the frontier and there was no enemy to fight with. Thus they won a moral victory that increased their prestige manifold and, that too, without shedding a drop of blood.

@Shabeer,
//I DON'T KNOW WHETHER U R HUMAN OR WILD ANIMAL //
Good going. I am a domesticated animal, just like most human beings are.
//FIRST MY SON ADMIT THE FAILURE OF FIRST SECTION DEBATE//
Dear dear, have you even read that I have already replied to you on that subject? I gave you 5 examples covering different phrases that you quoted from the Vedas and I see that you didn't give a valid response to any of them. http://alisina.org/blog/2014/05/21/clash-of-world… http://alisina.org/blog/2014/05/21/clash-of-world…

You have simply not replied!! And what about the discussion on Q 50:7? You haven't responded to that either.
It is you who has to admit that you don't know what you quote from, you don't read your references, you copy paste and that you can't defend Quran from our attacks.

#CHUCH
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER U R HUMAN OR WILD ANIMAL ,BEC'S HUMAN CAN UNDERSTAND ONE /TWO TIME WHAT I SAYS TO U FROM MY LAST REPLY TO U…………..FIRST MY SON ADMIT THE FAILURE OF FIRST SECTION DEBATE LIKE WHAT I SAYS TO U,THEN WE CAN CONTINUE OUR SECOND SECTION HERE BASED ON THE ABOVE TOPICS………IF U AGREED ……..ADMIT IT LIKE WHAT I SAYS TO U…………OR NOT NO FURTHER REPLY/ASKING QUESTION TO ME & MY POST (IF U R HUMAN BEING)

Chuck,
That warmonger invented excuses to attack defenseless communities and steal what they had. The planned attack by the Romans was pure fabrication masterminded by Muhammad. That expedition gave him the opportunity to impose the tax of humiliation on non muhammadan communities which he euphemistically called 'protection tax'. But protection from what or who, as Muhammad was the only aggressor around? In effect, he victimized the people and made them pay for that victimization. His own community was not spared. The muhammadans of Dhu Anwan, a community just outside Medina, built a mosque and invited Muhammad to come and pray there. Instead of going to pray, he sent his henchmen to go, destroy and burn down the place and incinerate the worshippers. They did just that and a passage was 'revealed', which is now part of the quran, to justify the action because the people were 'unjust' and had wanted to "kill the prophet".

@shabeer
This incident, ie Battle of Tabouk, if historical, only reflects that Muhammad had plans to expand his frontiers. When he went with his 30K army he found that the Byzantines were simply not there!! What more the Byzantines themselves haven't kept any account of any fighting with the Arabs. This is actually a proof that the event either didn't happen at all or was simply a show of chest thumping by Muhammad.
As far as killing the delegation is concerned please show authentic references that claim this. We find from history that it is the Muslims who started attacking the Romans and not the other way around.

#You did provide a link that was supposed to refute the the charge of forced ……….
READ AGAIN I THINK U NOT READ THE COMPLETE POST:
#romans because they killed muslim 15 spies……………
YOUR LINK COMPLETELY CONTRADICT TO U'R STATEMENT:
they killed fifteen members of the delegation(PROBLEM 1 ,THEY R NOT SPY) near a place known as Zat-u-Talah (or Zat-i-Itlah). Only Ka'ab bin Umair Ghifari, the head of the delegation, succeeded in escaping and reporting the sad incident. Besides this, Shurahbll bin Amr, the Christian governor of Busra, who was directly under the Roman Caesar, had also put to death Haritli bin Umair, the ambassador of the Holy Prophet(PROBLEM 2: KILLED AN INNOCENT AMBASSADOR OF AN ISLAMIC STATE), who had been sent to him on a similar minion.

These events convinced the Holy Prophet that a strong action should be taken in order to make the territory adjacent to the Roman Empire safe and>>>>>>> secure for the Muslims<<<<<<[NOT THE POINT THEIR INTENTION WAS NOT CONQUERED THE ROME,BUT SECURITY OF THE MUSLIM) . Accordingly, in the month of Jamadi-ul-Ula A. H. 8, he sent an army of three thousand towards the Syrian >>>>>>>border<<<<<<<(NOTE THE SECOND POINT THEY LAND THE BORDER ,NOT ENTER THE ANOTHER STATE). When this army reached near Ma'an, the Muslims learned that Shurahbil was marching with an army of one hundred thousand to>>>> fight-with them<<<<<(THIRD POINT WAS ENEMY COME TO FIGHT WITH MUSLIM) and that the Caesar, who himself was at Hims, had sent another army consisting of one hundred thousand soldiers under his brother Theodore.

(9:29) – "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day.
FOR WHO?
“God forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you
not for (your) faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing
kindly and justly with them: for God loveth those who are just.”
(H.Q. 60:8)
“God only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you
for (your) faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support
(others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship
and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumst
ances), that do wrong.” (H.Q. 60:9)

Mussolini once claimed to be atheist (he even challenged God, asking him to strike him by lighting, and to not have anything against religion. When Hitler gained power he started to go against Jews.
About Hitler, I've read in many sources (including neo-nazi sources) that he was close to Satanism, and in some occasion Hitler expressed his sympathies for islam.

PS – When I want to know something, I study even from the sources of the enemy. Neo nazi to understand more about Hitler, islamic to understand more about muslims, and for islam, half of my knowledge about islam and muslims come from islamic sources.

Shabeer
You did provide a link that was supposed to refute the the charge of forced conversions in quran 9:29 but have not adressed any of the other passages.You copy pasted verses that have no relation to them.

Regarding your link.It mentions that Muhammad attacked the romans because they killed muslim 15 spies.But they omit the part where Muhammad sent letters to various rulers,threatening them with war if they refuse to accept islam.
Going straight to authentic islamic sources: the tafsir provides 2 main reasons for the forced conversions and the context of surah 9:29. http://englishtafsir.com/Quran/9/index.html#sdfoo…

Reason 1:Though the people of the Book professed to believe in Allah and the Hereafter, in fact they believed in neither…But according to this definition of shirk both the Christians and the Jews were guilty of shirk…"(26)

Reason2:The second reason why Jihad should be waged against them is drat they did not adopt the Law sent down by Allah through His Messenger.(27)

We don't even need the context of that surah or ayah,for Allah claims it's a clear book and it clearly says to fight those who do not believe.If Allah meant to fight those who attack you first,he would have said so.
Qur'an (9:29) – "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day…

Are the postings of Phoenix wrong? In those narrations it is clearly shown that, they were words for forced conversion. You guy always try to bring a good hadith against a bad hadith. But did you ever notice that, why these hadiths contradict each other?
This is how a muslim is always confused of what is right and what is wrong.
You say what Boko Haram did was wrong, and your fellow muslim "slave" says it is right. It means you both have not understood Islam, but defending it blindly. You might come up with some sugarcoated hadith or something against a particular religion to defend your ignorance(self made).

Child is a child bro – be it 7th century or 17th century. If you think marrying and molesting a 9 yr old child in 7th century was acceptable, then what it would have been in 1st century. Men married new born baby girls ?? CRAP !

shabby,
If your ancestors fled Hinduism because of 'forced sex with animals', then they embraced something which is worse for muhammadanism sanctions both zoophilia and necrophilia. Your 'scholars' have set the rules on how to have sex with animals and what is to be done afterwards.

@Qur'an (9:29) – "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day,………………….
detailed explanation plz&nbsp ;http://muslim-responses.com/Fighting_those_who_dont_Believe_/Fighting_those_who_dont_Believe_
Jihad declare only the people who broken the agreement/mischief land/terrorism/injustice
60: 9. It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out, that Allah forbids you to befriend them. And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the Zâlimûn (wrong-doers those who disobey Allah).
42: 42. The way (of blame) is only against those who oppress men and wrongly rebel in the earth, for such there will be a painful torment.
9: 12. But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and attack your religion with disapproval and criticism then fight (you) the leaders of disbelief (chiefs of Quraish – pagans of Makah) – for surely their oaths are nothing to them – so that they may stop (evil actions).
9:13. Will you not fight a people who have violated their oaths (pagans of Makah) and intended to expel the Messenger, while they did attack you first? Do you fear them? Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are believers.
4: 75. And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the Cause of Allah, and for those weak, ill-treated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and rise for us from You one who will protect, and rise for us from You one who will help."
5: 33. The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter.
42: 39. And those who, when tyranny strikes them, they defend
themselves.[ avenge themselves in a just manner, restoring their rights and not

Forced conversion prohibited:
2:256 Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error.
2: 272. Not upon you (Muhammad SAW) is their guidance, but Allah guides whom He wills. And whatever you spend in good, it is for yourselves, when you spend not except seeking Allah’s Countenance. And whatever you spend in good, it will be repaid to you in full, and you shall not be wronged.
4:28 “If then they turn away, We have not sent thee as a guard
over them. Thy duty is but to convey (the message).
5: 92. And obey Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad SAW), and beware (of even coming near to drinking or gambling or Al¬Ansâb, or Al¬Azlâm, etc.) and fear Allah. Then if you turn away, you should know that it is Our Messenger's duty to convey (the Message) in the clearest way.
6: 48. And We send not the Messengers but as givers of glad tidings and as warners. So whosoever believes and does righteous good deeds, upon such shall come no fear, nor shall they grieve.
6: 66. But your people (O Muhammad SAW) have denied it (the Qur'ân) though it is the truth. Say: "I am not responsible for your affairs."
67. For every news there is a fact, i.e. for everything there is an appointed term (and it is also said that for every deed there is a recompense) and you will come to know.
68. And when you (Muhammad SAW) see those who engage in a false conversation about Our Verses (of the Qur'ân) by mocking at them, stay away from them till they turn to another topic. And if Shaitân (Satan) causes you to forget, then after the remembrance sit not you in the company of those people who are the Zâlimûn
69. Those who fear Allah, keep their duty to Him and avoid evil are not responsible for them (the disbelievers) in any case, but (their duty) is to remind them, that they may avoid that (mockery at the Qur'ân).
70. And leave alone those who take their religion as play and amusement, and are deceived by the life of this world. But remind (them) with it (the Qur'ân) lest a person be given up to destruction for that which he has earned, when he will find for himself no protector or intercessor besides Allah, and even if he offers every ransom, it will not be accepted from him. Such are they who are given up to destruction because of that which they have earned. For them will be a drink of boiling water and a painful torment because they used to disbelieve.
7: 51. "Who took their religion as an amusement and play, and the life of the world deceived them." So this Day We shall forget them as they forgot their meeting of this Day, and as they used to reject Our Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.).
7: 188. Say (O Muhammad SAW): "I possess no power of benefit or hurt to myself except as Allah wills. If I had the knowledge of the Ghaib (unseen), I should have secured for myself an abundance of wealth, and no evil should have touched me. I am but a Warner, and a bringer of glad tidings unto people who believe."

Thanks Demsci.Yes,Boko Haram is first and foremost a proselytizing group for Islam.This is their primary objective.The terror that follows is only a consequence of emulating Muhammad.Those apologists who claim Boko Haram is distorting islam can easily be refuted using islamic texts.That's why Shabeer and company have no response.

first says to him admit the failer then debate ,u have a chance of debate here with me,actuaaly me & ancestor escape from hinduism ,bec's of forced animal sex,forced wife buring after the death of their husbend & cast system,that is lover cast ppl considered as lowest creatures of animal.

You bring a fine point, Phoenix. You clearly show, out from Sahih Hadiths sources, clear motivation for Muslims, and no doubt Mohammed too, to fight for spreading Islam. It means that in history Muslims were motivated toATTACK other, in their eyes kuffar, people and that they did not (only or primarily) fight for all the other motives that Islam-apologists try to attribute to the agressions perpetrated by Muslims who had the power and the means to fight with expectation of success.

When in the present and future Muslims fight it very possibly will also really be to spread Islam with violence. And to the outside world Islam-apologists will come up with the other motivations (like justice for Palestinians) for war, but we now can look a bit deeper into their real motivations.

If Islam-apologists no longer can pretend self-confessed Muslims who DO FIGHT and kidnap have the "valid reasons to fight" like in the case of Boko Haram, killing so many, kidnapping girls, they come up with DENIAL. Of Boko Haram being Muslims. and of Boko Haram knowing what Islam "REALLY" means.

But the real name of Boko Haram shows they are clearly motivated by Islam:
It is Jama'atu Ahlis Sunna Lidda'awati wal-Jihad, which in Arabic means, "People Committed to the Propagation of the Prophet's Teachings and Jihad".

Shabby,
The answer by slavementality has caused the scale of ignorance to fall off your blinded muhammadan eyes. He has shown a better grasp of muhammadanism than you ever will. Learn the true interpretation of the quran, hadiths and sira from him as far as incitement to terrorism by those three sources is concerned.

What the muhammadans will find hard to swallow is the fact that their own people are leaving muhammadanism in droves. They find it embarrassing to admit that a prince of Kuwait, Abdullah ibn al-Sabbah, converted to Christianity not minding the consequences. The party member of Geert Wilders is not a bigger fish than a member of a ruling family who had no petro dollar inducement for his conversion.

You're implying that Muhammad fought only in self-defense but the quran and hadith categorically states that Muhammad should fight people who do not embrace islam (ie. forced conversions).And that's exactly what Muhammad did.
You can either argue (a) that these passages do not exist or (b) they do exist but i've taken them out of context,then give me the proper context.You can't copy paste passages that do not relate to these events.That's a straw man and red herring.
Qur'an (9:29) – "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued

This particular hadith relates to the jews of khaibar who were not at war with Muhammad but he still ordered their forced conversions…accept islam or die !
Muslim 31:5917…Allah's Messenger, on what issue should I fight with the people? Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger, and when they do that then their blood and their riches are inviolable from your hands but what is justified by law and their reckoning is with Allah.

Sahih muslim Book 001, Number 0033:
It has been narrated on the authority of Abdullah b. 'Umar that the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer, and pay Zakat and if they do it, their blood and property are guaranteed protection on my behalf except when justified by law, and their affairs rest with Allah.

Bukhari 2:24
Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah

Bukhari 59:643
…Someone said to him. "The messenger of Allah's Apostle is present here and if he should get hold of you, he would chop off your neck." One day while he was using them (i.e. arrows of divination), Jarir stopped there and said to him, "Break them (i.e. the arrows) and testify that None has the right to be worshipped except Allah, or else I will chop off your neck...

stone cold muslim,
Every muhammadan is bothered about the Trinity. Muhammad was so bothered that his failure to understand the personality caused him to fake another revelation saying that both soul and spirit in the quran were ambiguous whose meaning was only known by allah. This was after he had suffered a crushing defeat at the hands of the deputation from Najaran who had pointed out to him that his teachings, in fact, supported the Trinity. Mark you that he had taught about God, the Holy Spirit and the Word as constituting 'WE', 'US', 'OUR', etc as used by allah to describe him/itself in the quran.That defeat by the team sealed their fate for not long after Muhammad sent his henchman, Khalid ibn Walid, with an overwhelming force, that gave an ultimatum of three days to the people of Najran to accept his madness or face the sword. Always the poor loser, Muhammad resorted to brute force to drive home his point.

Abeid Salim,
Your Jesus was a homo sexual, yet you honor him as the greatest prophet. That tells you that your cult is gay ridden. Muhammad derived 'inspiration' from wearing Aisha's gowns. That made him a cross dresser. Such people are said to be narcissists and psychologically imbalanced. That could be seen in the behavior of Muhammad. To drive home the point, the Shiites accuse Umar of having been gay. Read that at their website. Muhammad's inclination for such a life style finds expression in the quran where he provided for ghuilman, the exquisite young men with bodies like pearls in paradise, and the recognition of fornication between two men. You are free to worship your prophet who had admiration for homosexuality.

@shabeer
/ /http://alisina.org/blog/2014/05/21/clash-of-worlds/#IDComment838436129//
It only proves that something was deleted by the admins. Not that you had some solid evidence there. If you had something positive on the debate you can put it up here again.
//FIRST ADMIT THE FAILED//
Tch tch. You haven't commented anything on Q 50:7 so we know who lost :-). As far as some of the stray verses from the Vedas are concerned I showed you your error with real life usages of similes etc.

Read Deuteronomy 13. God remind Israelites about new/unheard God. That certainly refers to Triune-Oneness God, do you agree?. As worshiping idolatry gods/goddess have existed before; during the time of Prophet Abraham. Certainly it can not be referring to idol god, ONLY new/unheard god that is the Triune-Oneness God.

~~~
When Paul brought a totally new version of Triune-Oneness God that differ to the One God preached by gentile prophet Noah and all Israelite prophets. The punishment to those who believe in a such new version of God is death.

Deut 13
…If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7) gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8) do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9) You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people…15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely

Also read Isaiah 41& 42 a prophecy about the biography of prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Thus, Pray to God for guidance.﻿

#ighting is the highest good………..
BLINDLY KILLING PEOPLE PROHIBITED:
6: 151. Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Come, I will recite what your Lord has prohibited you from: Join not anything in worship with Him; be good and dutiful to your parents; kill not your children because of poverty – We provide sustenance for you and for them; come not near to Al-Fawâhish (shameful sins, illegal sexual intercourse, etc.) whether committed openly or secretly, and kill not anyone whom Allâh has forbidden, except for a just cause (according to Islâmic law). This He has commanded you that you may understand.
60:8. Allâh does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and did not drive you out of your homes. Verily, Allâh loves those who deal with equity
FIGHT ORDERED ONLY THE PPL WHO COME TO FIGHT WITH ISLAM:
60: 9. It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out, that Allah forbids you to befriend them. And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the Zâlimûn (wrong-doers those who disobey Allah).
42: 42. The way (of blame) is only against those who oppress men and wrongly rebel in the earth, for such there will be a painful torment.

MY DAWA FOR ALL PPL NOT ONLY APOSTATE,I AM DEDICATED ESCAPED ALL PPL FROM ETERNAL HELL/FIRE………
BE'S
Hereafter Sinner will try to escape as much as they can possible [but no use]:
70: 10. And no friend will ask of a friend,
11. Though they shall be made to see one another [(i.e. on the Day of Resurrection), there will be none but see his father, children and relatives, but he will neither speak to them nor will ask them for any help)], – the Mujrim, (criminal, sinner, disbeliever, etc.) would desire to ransom himself from the punishment of that Day by his children.
Sinner asks help from Muslim:[BUT NO USE]
57: 13. On the Day when the hypocrites’ men and women will say to the believers: "Wait for us! Let us get something from your light!" It will be said: "Go back to your rear! Then seek a light!" So a wall will be put up between them, with a gate therein. Inside it will be mercy, and outside it will be torment."
14. (The hypocrites) will call the believers: "Were we not with you?" The believers will reply: "Yes! But you led yourselves into temptations, you looked forward for our destruction; you doubted (in Faith); and you were deceived by false desires, till the Command of Allâh came to pass. And the chief deceiver (Satan) deceived you in respect of Allâh."
Sinner agreed true Islam when they saw the punishment:[THAT ALL THE HUMAN BEING AGREED ISLAM TRUE RELIGION OF GOD,HERE MUSLIM,HEREAFTER NON MUSLIM,BUT THERE IS NO USE HEREAFTER FORGIVENESS]
40: 84. So when they saw Our punishment, they said: "We believe in Allâh Alone and reject (all) that we used to associate with Him as (His) partners.
85. Then their Faith (in Islâmic Monotheism) could not avail them when they saw Our punishment. (Like) this has been the way of Allâh in dealing with His slaves. And there the disbelievers lost utterly (when Our Torment covered them).

THE SITE ADMIN AGREED U ' R FAILED THE DEBATE,THAT WAY THEY DELETE ALL MY PERSONAL COMMENT TO U ,EVEN THEY AGREED THE TRUTH,THEN NO MORE EVIDENCE REQUIRED FOR IT,NOW PROUDLY U CAN CHANGE U'R RELIGION AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE,WORLD IS GOING TO THE TRUTH PATH,WHY R U WAITING FOR IT?

Chuck
Shabeer is a serious waste of time and energy.How do you reason with someone who subscribes to a different set of logic or no logic at all?
While i don't consider mockery to have any logical value beyond entertainment.I have to admit,when it comes to shabeer,I am tempted.

@cchuckc
Shabeer is a Mawali Muslim. He does not qualify for debate. You can start debate with me. Here is my open challenge you to prove one wrong or immoral deed of prophet. His life and deeds were ideal for any human being on this earth and give inspiration to all people of the world.

@Shabeer
I believe prophet religion will be on top till 2020. Christianity will be down to 2nd spot. Hinduism & Jews will be end. Almighty Allah is protecting Muslims & Islam. By 2020 Pakistan will take over India and establish grand Muslims region under the Saudi Arabia rule.

“Islam is the world’s fastest-growing religion. In 1990, 935 million people were Muslims and this figure had escalated to around 1.2 billion by 2000, meaning that around one in five people follow Islam. Although the religion began in Arabia, by 2002 80% of all believers in Islam lived outside the Arab world. In the period 1990-2000, approximately 12.5 million more people converted to Islam than to Christianity” (Guinness World Records 2003, pg 102) (Emphasis added)

According to Reader’s digest Almanic year book Islam grew by 235% in 50 years between 1934-1984

According to CNN.

“The second-largest religion in the world after Christianity, Islam is also the fastest-growing religion. In the United States, for example, nearly 80 percent of the more than 1,200 mosques have been built in the past 12 years.

Some scholars see an emerging Muslim renaissance as Islam takes root in many traditionally Christian communities.

Islam has drawn converts from all walks of life, most notably African-Americans. Former NAACP President Benjamin Chavis, who joined the Nation of Islam recently, personifies the trend. “(Emphasis added)

“Islam is the fastest growing religion all over the world” (Allah and Elohim – Are they the Same God? , Preface)

Andrew also helps me with couple of more sources:

There are over a billion Muslims in the world today, including 3 to 5 million in the U.S., making it the second most populous religion on earth after Christianity. According to some estimates, Islam is the fastest-growing religion in the world. (The Joy of Sects, Peter Occhigrosso, 1996, p394-397)
Islam is the religion which has developed from the preaching and life of Muhammad, a citizen of the city of Mecca in Arabia, who early in the seventh century of the Christian Era appeared as a preacher of monotheism to his own people and founded a religious movement which today counts perhaps as many as 300,000,000 followers, mostly in the heat belt from Indonesia to Morocco. (Islam: Muhammad and His Religion, Arthur Jeffery, 1958, p xi-xiv)

Have you ever admitted ANYTHING when you were beaten? No, never! You keep saying: "Bring the valid evidence", then you escape everytime it is given. sometime with some excuse, but mostly not.

We pointed you to websites, full of proof, but you insisted we copypasted the proof here. While you could have tried to refute what the linked-to-website said. You thus used a lame escape-excuse. We never see Chuck doing that.

That would indeed be the real reason why on Islamic websites, too critical, eloquent, knowledgeable and irrefutable counterjihadists would be treated. But if an Islamic website of your choice would give our posters as much posting room as Ali Sina gave you, then we could get thousand of posts, tens of thousands lines and arguments across on their territory.

But you must know that Ali Sina is infinitely more tolerant than Islamic websites are.

FIRST MY BROTHER GO TO ASK U'R CHRISTIAN PRIEST /LEADER WHAT THE LAW WAS ,THEN COME TO DEBATE WITH MUSLIM HERE…………………………

It was Jesus who issued a statement on divorce. {provide her with a certificate, so that she is legally allowed to marry another man] He already knew what was need for a man and a woman to be married, hence HIS decree on divorce.

Wow! You sound like a learned person of the Christian text. Good for you. Dude, you has to be the most ill equipped Christian scholar here on this forum.Your mistake [weakness] is that you have never read the Bible on your own, and these words you mentioned were most likely told to you by your learned Mu llahs with a deep hate for the Jews and Christians.

I live in a Mu slim country, and may I enlighten you that over here, Sunday is a day off. I am positive this is a Christian law, but it is so good for business that we continue to have Sunday as an off day.

It is an offence for us Kafirs to quote Mo ham mad, it is also haram for us to say "salam what ever Kum" to Mu slims and the icing on the cake, your Mu slim brethren are INSTRUCTED NOT to wish Christian " Golly Merry Christmas.

If it wasn't for the good Jewish doctors who discovered vaccines, many babies {Mu slims or otherwise] will die or would have been dead in my country Yet, the Mu llahs in this country always remind their flocks in their Friday sermons, that Jews are pigs and monkeys.

I know this has nothing to do with you trying to convince us " who forced woman marriage", issue,I want the people on this forum to know that the overall M slim concept the world over is down right backward in every day to day living.

if the Is lamic shariah law is such a "wunderba" why is Pakistan, Afganistan, Bangledesh and parts of Africa in such a *sh………*** hole compared to the western nations. Which brings me to my next question. " Why in Al llah's foolish name do all the Arab refugees seek Western countries as their preferred choice of relocation? How horrible it must be for these Mu slims Men to seek shelter in a Kafir country, where alcohol and porn is so readly available in every street corner. I bet it must be heaven for the Mu slim women though. They get to keep the house and be paid a monthly alimony form their EX. By the way, In all western countries, their law will punish the Mu slim men if they do not pay alimony to their wives.

Shabeer…………. Is it the same in your country?

Am I brained washed by the western media that people in Pakistan and Afganistan burn or throw acid on wives when they mis-behave? Also what the heck is honour killings all about. Are Mu slim men so in secured of their women and their private parts? Its a no brainer, dude, this Is lamic concept is nothing short of bull shit when you de-grade a human.

Peace Be Upon Mickey Mouse, who provided countless hours of entertainment on Television, another Gorra invention.

Dude. Do you even understand the English language? I noticed that you hardly make an effort in wanting to explain your reasons in replying to the many questions posed to you by the other readers. Instead you beat around the bush ,all the time.

I bet you must be feeling over the moon [this is a figure of speech- ] implying to these readers that you are an infant who won against a fully grown man. I wish to point out to you that you DID NOT WIN in your debate AT ALL. What is this dumb analog you're quoting ? Pray tell.

I'm incline to believe you are an Indian mu slim living in India, with a "so so" educational background. May be some rudimentary basic schooling. I also wish to say to you: RIGHT IS RIGHT AND WRONG IS WRONG in any language or understanding. Be a proud Indian man and help us understand what is so good of your Mo ham mad? Are you unable to see the wrong HE did in his life time? My simple logic of HIM being wrong as a human is stated clearly in your Q book. Please don't tell us to first learn the Arabic language to fully grasp HIS saying in the hadditt or in the Q book.

English language has evolved to an extent that its is able to show us the meaning of any language translated from, so, dude, man up and speak to us in a civilized manner.

@Shabeer
In fact I think you have understood my examples well enough but know that accepting their purport will mean your defeat and the fact you have no defense against the claims of Quran 50:7 means that you will keep on with these exachanges without any significant dialogue.

ADMIN DELETED MY THIRD POST,BEC'S THEY KNOW U CAN ANSWER MY CLAIMS…………HINDU PPL NOT AGREED U'R FIGURE OF SPEECH,NUMBER OF EVIDENCE WITH EXAMPLE I GIVEN MY LAST TWO POST ADMIN DELETED IT……….I THINK THEY AGREED U FAILED,NUMBER OF U'R FOOLISHNESS MAKE LOT OF CONVERSION TO ISLAM,THEY FEAR ABOUT IT,THAT WAY THEY DELETE MY COMMENTS……………..

@Shabeer,
The hadith clearly says: If a man falls in love with an orphan slave girl or a virgin and she refuses (him) and then he makes a trick by bringing two false witnesses to testify that he has married her ..
It means that her acceptance later is preconditioned by the person being first refused and then the person bringing false witnesses to claim that he married the girl. See that this hadith in no way condemns the bringing of false witnesses.

#if she refuses……..the man may use deception……….what foolishness r u talking about………….number of hadith i proved without the girl permission >>>>no marriage by the law<<<<
Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 85 :: Hadith 78
Narrated Khansa' bint Khidam Al-Ansariya:
That her father gave her in marriage when she was a matron and she disliked that marriage. So she came and (complained) to the Prophets and he declared that marriage invalid.

@The Quran contains thousands of errors, and Muhammad lived a very unholy life.
1000 TIME I REPEAT MY CHALLENGE ,PLZ PROVE AT LEAST >>ONE<<< HERE ……………
@Islam allows marriage to children as young as nine ……….
[017:034] Come not nigh to the orphan's property except to improve it, until he attains the ''age of full strength''; and fulfil (every) ''engagement'', for (every) engagement will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning).
[004:006] Make trial of orphans until they reach the age of marriage; if then ye find sound judgment in them, release their property to them; but consume it not wastefully, nor in haste against their growing up.
[024:059] But when the children among you ''come of age'', let them (also) ask for ''permission'', as do those senior to them (in age): Thus does God make clear His Signs to you: for God is full of knowledge and wisdom.

Bukhari :: Book 9 :: Volume 86 :: Hadith 101
Narrated 'Aisha:
Allah's Apostle said, "It is essential to have the consent of a virgin (for the marriage). I said, "A virgin feels shy." The Prophet; said, "Her silence means her consent." Some people said, "If a man falls in love with an orphan slave girl or a virgin and she refuses (him) and then he makes a trick by bringing two false witnesses to testify that he has married her, and then>>>>>>she attains the age of puberty and agrees to marry him <<<<<<<and the judge accepts the false witness and the husband knows that the witnesses were false ones, he may consummate his marriage."

@ Stone c.m. , The whole of Arab world cannot defeat tiny Israel and u want to rule the world. Now the infidel nations are selling weapons to the muslims to kill each other all over the Middle East. They are exterminating each other all because they follow instructions from the "book of terror" which says "kill, kill, and kill."

@Sakat
Who's words ,the holy Bible contain ,i think the preachings of Jesus.What are the contents of Qur'an obviously copy pasting from Bible. To maintain the false preachings of the Bible ;catholic world persecuted Galileo Galali and Copernicus and scores of others were burned alive. Was it true;the earth is the center of the Universe and all the stars and sun is circumscribing the earth, if not then Jesus is not the son of God.

@STONE COLD MUSLIM
/only a matter of time before we become the biggest religion!!! i know you dont want to hear but we will rule the world and we will make you dhimmis!!!/
You know if the population of mosquito increases; to control them from carrying deadly virus ,they are killed not by hand,but by spraying of pesticides.Don't worry quality prevails over quantity .We infidels have brilliant mind and that is enough to wipe any quantity of Muslims from vicinity .You should salute our patience ,therefore you are still wasting oxygen here.

Muslims have multiple wives and they have a higher birth rate than other people.//
As if christians dont have a higher birth rate,how many times will you keep on repeating the same lie over and over again.Only 10% of muslims are polygamous hence you are wrong and its only a matter of time before we become the biggest religion!!! i know you dont want to hear but we will rule the world and we will make you dhimmis!!!

Mercy to all mankind
Hadrat Abu Huraira (may Allah be pleased with him) said: the Prophet (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) was asked to curse the infidels. He said, "I have not been sent to curse people but as a mercy to all mankind." (Muslim)
His forgiveness
Hadrat Anas (may Allah be pleased with him) reported that a Jewess came to Allah's Messenger (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) with poisoned mutton and he took of what had been brought to him. (When the effect of his poison were felt by him) he called for her and asked her about that, whereupon she said: I had determined to kill you. Thereupon he said: Allah will never give you the power to do it. He (the narrator) said that they (the Companions of the Holy Prophet) said: Should we not kill her? Thereupon he said: No. He (Anas) said: I felt (the effects of this poison) on the uvula of Allah's Messenger. (Muslim)
His trust in Allah (The Glorified and the Exalted)
It has been narrated on the authority of Hadrat Anas (may Allah be pleased with him) that, on the Day of Hunain, Umm Sulaim took out a dagger she had in her possession. Hadrat Abu Talha (may Allah be pleased with him) saw her and said: Messenger of Allah, this is Umm Sulaim. She is holding a dagger. Allah's Messenger (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) asked (her): What for are you holding that dagger? She said: I took it up so that I may tear open the belly of a polytheist who comes near me. Allah's Messenger (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) began to smile (at those words). She said: Messenger of Allah, kill all those people-other than us- whom thou hast declared to be free (on the day of the Conquest of Makka). (They embraced Islam because) they were defeated at your hands (and as such their Islam is not dependable). Allah's Messenger (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) said: Umm Sulaim, Allah is sufficient (against the mischief of the polytheists) and He will be kind to us (so you need not carry this dagger). (Muslim)
He fought only for Allah (The Glorified and the Exalted)
Mother of faithful believers, Hadrat Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) said that the Holy Prophet (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) never struck anybody with his hand, neither a servant nor a women, but he did fight (jihad) in the cause of Allah. He never avenged any wrong done to him personally, but he did avenge a wrong violating divine commandments. (Muslim)
Closer to the believers than their ownselves
Hadrat Abu Huraira (may Allah be pleased with him) said that a man who had died in debt would be brought to Allah's Messenger (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) and he would ask whether he had left anything to discharge his debt. If he was told that he had left enough he would pray, otherwise he would tell the Muslims to pray over their friend. But when Allah (The Glorified and the Exalted) wrought the conquests at his hands he stood up and said, "I am closer to the believers than their own selves,* so if any of the believers dies leaving a debt I shall be responsible for paying it, and if anyone leaves property it goes to his heirs." (Bukhari and Muslim)
*(Qur'an, 33:6)
He prayed for the leader of the Munafiqeen (Hypocrites)
Narrated Hadrat Ibn 'Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him): When 'Abdullah bin 'Ubai died, his son 'Abdullah came to Allah's Messenger (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) and asked him to give him his shirt in order to shroud his father in it. He gave it to him and then 'Abdullah asked the Prophet (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) to offer the funeral prayer for him (his father). Allah's Messenger (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) got up to offer the funeral prayer for him, Sayyidina 'Umar got up too and got hold of the garment of Allah's Messenger (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) and said, "O Allah's Messenger! His gentleness

The only reason i said that was because there making Aisha child marriage a big deal and i had to shut them up even though i didnt want to as its true jesus was our prophet,its just that Sina and the rest have no class and i couldnt take it anymore.

How can you worship a human made from clay and call him your lord and saviour that defies logic!!!
Surah al Nisaa, verse 171, Allah the mighty and majestic admonishes the Jews and Christians:
"O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Do not exceed the limits in your religion, nor say of Allâh aught but the truth. The Messiah 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), was (no more than) a Messenger of Allâh and His Word, ("Be!" – and he was) which He bestowed on Maryam (Mary) and a spirit (Rûh) created by Him; so believe in Allâh and His Messengers. Say not: "Three (trinity)!" Cease! (it is) better for you. For Allâh is (the only) One Ilâh (God), Glory be to Him (Far Exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allâh is All­Sufficient as a Disposer of affairs."

Muhammed was just a prophet and he cautioned his people not to make the same mistake christians made.Our prophet was honest and made it clear to worship none but (ALLAH S.W.T)

In Surah Al Ikhlaas, Allah the mighty and Majestic says:

"Say! He is God, the One!
The Eternally Besought of all!
He does not beget, nor is He begotten.
And there is nothing comparable to Him."

/“Why are Islamic youth losing connections with their religion in Australia?”/
Instead the researcher could have taken the topic ; "Why Islam is evil ?and why Mohammed is not a prophet but a criminal" ,for his research.
Even he could have presented the ready made research stuff from Ali,"Understanding Mohammed"

Abeid Salim, Christians worship Jesus knowingly as thier Lord and savior. on the other hand, Muslims are worshiping Muhammad without knowing it, thinking they are worshiping Allah. Which do you think is better.

– abused other religions,
– refused to have interfaith dialogues,
– was intolerant of anyone who didn't agree with him,
– broke treaties,
– raided civilians when they were sleeping,
– killed civilians including those who surrendered to him,
– raped women (and allowed his henchmen to rape women), then sold them into slavery including their children,
– had 'Allah' reveal quranic verses whenever he desired (and exactly those verses that fulfilled his whims and desires)
– but who couldn't have Allah reveal to him where Safia's husband had buried the wealth and couldn't have Allah reveal to him that the food supplied by a woman (a jewess) was tainted,
– was a coward in the battlefield,
– used his ill-gotten power for tyranny, and most importantly,
– lied about being a prophet…

…. And you are still a Muslim (the one who submits)!!

Well congratulations… you have passed the test and successfully earned the title of Muhammadan (person who submits to Muhammad)!

Abeid Salim so funny how you call Jesus homo, while your other moslim brothers will tell you that Jesus is a prophett and is even mentioned in the quran as a prophet of islam. Your answer must now be corrected by a muslim who wants to give the image that islam is the truth.

I ask you to read the quran, before you make such claims. You are even ignorant about your own faith, how can we prove to you that islam is bullshit if you ignore the evidence and want to stay in shit?

It is like you are blindfolded and walk directly towards a cliff, you ignore our warnings but still keep walking and fall to death. Not even your imaginary 2 angels will save you because there aint no.

Your conclusions that jesus was gay is unwarranted.Let's take a look at how you arrived at your assumptions.
a) jesus was gay because he died a bachelor
b)he did not engage in pedophilia which is better than being gay
c) there's no record of jesus hitting on a girl or solicitiing sex,so he must have been gay
d) some believe/speculate he was gay

Problems with your logic:
A) Is a hasty generalization and false association.The word bachelor does not equate to being gay.Many gay men are married.
B) Engaging in same-sex intercourse usually requires the consent of another adult,which is legal.While pedophilia is always criminal,immoral and damaging to a child's psyche.Therefore the former is the more appropriate.
C)There's no record either way.So your charge is merely baseless.
D) What some speculate has no bearing on the actual account of jesus' life.Gay,straight or celibate,he was not a sexual predator like your prophet,which you have no problem with.

//muslims need to be told the truth about islam and its pedophile-prophet
I know the truth about my prophet and am still a muslim,just because he married aisha at 9 you think i will leave my religion because of that, you will have to come up with something better than that.Going by your name i believe you are a christian who worships jesus who never married and some believe he was GAY!!!
i think its better to follow someone who got married to a child in the 7th century which was normal during that time than to worship a man who couldnt even hit on a girl.HOMO JESUS!!!LOL!!!

muslims need to be told the truth about islam and its pedophile-prophet. muslim
clerics are
trained not to reveal the evil things which mohd did, or to justify them them in an acceptable way…like mohd explaining that allah approved his marrying a six year old girl when he was an old man. most muslims have been told not to ask too much…i personally have been told this by muslim friends. islam thrives on ignorance.

// Muslim authorities did their best to keep Muslims ignorant and instill in them religious fervor and fanaticism. This is however, not possible in the age of the Internet.//
well, though i and ali have the same views on islam, this is not true. in islamic countries, several sites (including this one) are blocked, keeping the youth in ignorance. yes, even in age of internet, some ppl like to stay in the stone age. trying to bring them out will be answered by death threats and curses.