Indeed the +/- seems to be used only to support certain agendas... in otherwords not a peep until it works for the cause.

Individuals +/- by itself is flawed on many levels.... as 5 man units it actually works.

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What's my agenda? That JJ is the 9th best player on the team? I'm not calling for him to be benched or anything.

Maybe Kuester has been looking at these numbers and decided to take a 2nd look at Maxiell. After all, JM's +/- are above most of the guys that he is usually paired with and JJ's are below the starters that he spends most of his time with.

I will absolutely defend him. He's absolutely earned the right to play every night.

Daye should be playing too, but I guess the organization's belief is that we're much better off letting Prince and Hamilton both play 36+ minutes a night, rather than developing our young guys. :nerd2:

What's my agenda? That JJ is the 9th best player on the team? I'm not calling for him to be benched or anything.

Maybe Kuester has been looking at these numbers and decided to take a 2nd look at Maxiell. After all, JM's +/- are above most of the guys that he is usually paired with and JJ's are below the starters that he spends most of his time with.

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Not accusing you of an agenda... you seem to report on both sides of the ledger (no previous record of hating on JJ... which I'm guilty of).... an agenda is when someone refuses to recognize another perspective once they have their mind made up... then using the +/- only when it suits their argument.
Sorry for even bringing this up... I'm feeling pretty good about the pieces for the future, including JJ... even better if we can improve our FA flexibility... this may be acomplished by showcasing some of our less desirable contracts (possibly justifying less pt for JJ for a short time)

Welcome Whitepine...are you a soprano, alto, tenor or bass?? Lets us hear what you have to sing dude as we got problems here in Pistonland

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Thanks LA Dre !
For now I'm just listening to the music- but seriously I enjoy reading everyones post (almost daily) I'll try to post every now and then but you guys seem to have a little better insight and knowledge of the piston land than I do.

Yes, some people around here know a whole lot. Usually they are the ones that don't act like they do.

Some know little and don't hide the fact. (Like me).

A few people know nothing but act like they know everything. (This is the minority group I just can't stomach).

Obviously you are in one of the first two groups, so please post often. Welcome.

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Thanks Darth Tater !!
Sorry for not following this tread on my first posts, I planned on watching the game tonight until the wife informed me (not more than 5 min ago) that were going out. Anyway I am really curious how many minutes jj will play tonight - it has to be tough going from starter to garbage minutes same scenario for a lot of piston players this year and last year.

Welcome to the forum, Whitepine. I fall into the "A few people know nothing but act like they know everything." group on Darth Tater's list. I don't take it too personally though, because I know old Tater is an Eagles fan.

JJ should definitely be getting 20 minutes a game. To develop him, and because he helps our team now. I'm not a big fan of Daye or Summers, but I think they should be getting at least 15 minutes combined a night as well.

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I'm a big fan of Daye too..

JJ should play 20 - 25 minutes por night and Daye 15 (and if in those minutes he played nice, well, he could have more minutes)