It's a good source for tracks I've never heard, although a fair few of them make me go ''hmfff?!'' like a dog would if you dangled a steak on a string from a window in front of its nose and kept yanking it up everytime the poor confused pooch was getting ready to take a bite. Probably shows how different Dissensian taste (if there is such a thing) is from ILX, because I can imagine a poll by us would consist mostly of garage, UK funky, dubstep etc.

Could we do a poll like this? Are there enough of us to make it interesting? Is making a big site-canonical list like this a fundamentally anti-Dissensian thing to do? Maybe we'd all enjoy it more if we made another ''sacred cows'' thread and slagged off everything again. Actually, I probably would, as well.

Benny B

30-08-2012, 08:56 PM

Yeah I've seen that thread, keep meaning to spend some time checking out the tracks I've never heard. Shamefully I hadn't even heard the number 1 choice before!

ILX posters are utterly obsessed with lists and polls in a way that Dissensus isn't really. I'm not sure I could muster up the energy and thought involved in coming up with a top 100 list like that tbh, I dunno. And that poll they did must have been such a ball-ache to organise, with all the rounds of nomination etc. The finished thing is quite something to behold though! If someone came up with an interesting enough idea I might be up for it I suppose.

Like you say, Dissensus is a much much smaller and more uk-centric board than ILX, and it does seem to have gone fairly quiet round here over the last year or so I must say...

Corpsey

30-08-2012, 09:04 PM

Mind you, Woebot himself (praise be) did that Top 100 Records of All Time which was and is an absolute goldmine of ace music. So he would approve.

I suppose you might say that cataloguing is something that's 'killed' dissensus, in that rather than in-depth discussion about music most threads are simply huge collections of youtube links. Maybe a big list would only make this problem worse.

Corpsey

30-08-2012, 09:06 PM

Shamefully I hadn't even heard the number 1 choice before!

That is the ultimate dog-going-HMNFF?! track for me. It seems supremely average to me, but I'm probably not listening properly.

The best bits in the thread are reading people's personal anecdotes relating to tunes. Their little stories about how they heard such-and-such a track on the dancefloor and it won them over or bowled them over. Also Tim F writes a load of stuff on it, which is always nice.

Benny B

30-08-2012, 09:34 PM

I suppose you might say that cataloguing is something that's 'killed' dissensus, in that rather than in-depth discussion about music most threads are simply huge collections of youtube links. Maybe a big list would only make this problem worse.

I always feel a bit torn over this issue. In a way cataloging and listing isn't really the root problem as on a lively board it should actually provoke discussion. But like you say, the mechanical youtubing does get a bit dull sometimes. Vast swathes of ILX are also very dull too, there are only about 4 threads I bother looking at over there and they've all got pretty much the same handful of people in them.

There have been one or two good polls on dissensus in the past though, nothing quite as ambitious as that ILX one, jesus...

Benny B

30-08-2012, 09:52 PM

That is the ultimate dog-going-HMNFF?! track for me. It seems supremely average to me, but I'm probably not listening properly.
.

Yeah just listened to this, doesn't do much for me either.

Who do you reckon would win the dissensus version? Burial? Mala?

If it was Hyp Mngo I'd have to leave the board.

rrrivero

30-08-2012, 10:04 PM

There have been one or two good polls on dissensus in the past though, nothing quite as ambitious as that ILX one, jesus...The UK Garage poll was a big reason I started reading Dissensus

Also, I think a grime tune would win, for some reason

edit: So weit wie noch nie? Rej? One more time? I feel like the 16-year-old me buried a part of its soul in the sand and it blossomed into that top 110

Benny B

30-08-2012, 10:41 PM

Also, I think a grime tune would win, for some reason

Yeah, Wiley or Dizzee maybe. Depends on whether you'd count grime as 'dance music' though, quite a thorny issue. I don't think there's any grime in the ILX list so i guess they must have counted it out.

e/y

30-08-2012, 10:56 PM

That is the ultimate dog-going-HMNFF?! track for me. It seems supremely average to me, but I'm probably not listening properly.

I really, really like Lindstrom, and I really, really like that track, but I'm pretty surprised that it was voted no. 1. I wouldn't even say that it's the best Scandinavian/space disco track.

Nice list, though.

Corpsey

30-08-2012, 11:01 PM

I didn't give a single track a fair shake, I was just flicking through them as fast as possible so I could satisfy my completist brain.

My number one (if I could only pick from house/techno) probably would have been 'The Sky Was Pink' RMX, for which I have an unholy love.

rrrivero

30-08-2012, 11:04 PM

I think I'd go for Zomby's Euphoria no matter how unoriginal that would be

Benny B

30-08-2012, 11:14 PM

The runner up choice 'Tessio' by Luomo is a fine thing indeed, new to me also.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeQchIQOL6I&feature=youtu.be

Most of my choices would be garage-related in some way but if i had to go with a 'proper' house tune it would probably be Kentphonic - Hiya Kaya (Rocco Deep remix). Not that I've give it any proper thought yet mind.

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Sectionfive

30-08-2012, 11:17 PM

We should do top fifty nuum of the 00's for added in/out arguments.

Cant believe Doppelwhipper didn't make the ILX list. Didn't make the RA one either. Inexcusable

Slothrop

30-08-2012, 11:30 PM

I keep thinking you could do a more interesting top X list by getting everyone to do a top ten and then doing some clever stats to pick out the stuff that a few people have got at number one and almost no-one else has mentioned at all... some sort of information theoretic definition of cult favorites.

Benny B

30-08-2012, 11:42 PM

We should do top fifty nuum of the 00's for added in/out arguments.

Yeah its certainly the only thing this board could do real justice to. Although even that would probably cause In/out arguments I'd imagine.

Big Nose

31-08-2012, 01:26 AM

Was surprised not to see Midnight Request Line.

Dissensus 00's nuum one is a must.

continuum

31-08-2012, 08:10 AM

Count me in for a Dissensus version

luka

31-08-2012, 09:11 AM

organise it then corspey. youve got 20 minutes.

IdleRich

31-08-2012, 09:57 AM

Some that I would call incredibly bland in there picking up loads of votes. Others would call them deep I suppose. It does depend on context and if you've been dancing to them at the right time on the right drugs with the right people in the right party then it's impossible to separate that from the tune - that's what they're made for after all.

Tentative Andy

31-08-2012, 04:11 PM

This poll was a lot of fun, it gave me the jumping off-point I'd been looking for to properly investigate 00s German/Euro stuff, which had always been a major blindspot for me considering how important it had been to house and techno in that decade.
I found a lot of gems through the nominations list and then the results - also found quite a few that I can understand Corpsey's hmff-dog reaction to (though not I Feel Space, I think that one's ace), there was some stuff that placed quite highly that seemed average to me, but on the other hand the list as a whole gave me a way in to stuff that I might have previously written of as bland.

Tentative Andy

31-08-2012, 04:12 PM

Some early 00s garage anthems did make the placings which was nice but yeah overall it was a very different picture of the decade to the one that you'd get here.

rubberdingyrapids

31-08-2012, 05:18 PM

that list might be good to get some of us out of our 'nuum' obsessions. or me at least.

im personally tired of youtube embeds. its good sometimes as i prob miss a lot of music otherwise but im tired of seeing them. i like to read about music from other people too and i miss reading people post more.

Corpsey

31-08-2012, 10:23 PM

organise it then corspey. youve got 20 minutes.

:eek:

Corpsey

31-08-2012, 10:25 PM

It could potentially be good, though, especially as it would probably result in all manner of arguments and bickering between forum members.

Sectionfive

31-08-2012, 10:39 PM

I think the Linstrom track is an acceptable #1 anyway. Always sounds great and gets the whole place going. I wouldn't begrudge it the top spot. Surprised a few others didn't make it like Erotic Discourse, Geht's Noch?, Make a move, He not in and Doppelwhiper. Odd no Soulwax or Tiefschwarz either given the taste the runs through the list

Ticks plenty of boxes but suffers from that thing that all lists do of more recent memory dominating at the expense of the first half of the decade, year, whatever.
Smoke Machine, pontape, murder was the bass, Blackwater and the Gigolo stuff were all massive all absent for example.

Sectionfive

31-08-2012, 10:48 PM

Has that Blawan track really been around since 2010? Thought the first Hessle release was summer that year

joe.dfx

31-08-2012, 11:19 PM

hessle's been putting out stuff since 07!

http://www.discogs.com/TRG-Put-You-Down/master/97925

stopped reading the list when they put a fischerspooner track miles over j.a.n.

Each participant has a limited amount of nominations first? If so, how many in the list?

Sectionfive

01-09-2012, 12:10 PM

Everyone nominate 10 I suppose and then we'll know if we can do 100 or 50 ?

Can't really be UK only artist because of Abstract, Martyn etc, for nominations at least. Though London will dominate in the end

Benny B

01-09-2012, 12:30 PM

Everyone nominate 10 I suppose and then we'll know if we can do 100 or 50 ?

hmmm only being able to nominate 10 might be too hard, my brains hurting just thinking about it. Would 20 work do you think? I'm shit at statistics.

SecondLine

01-09-2012, 12:33 PM

that list makes me feel like such a fraud, don't know any of the tunes and most of them sound really dull to me. tasteful euro house/techno for adults with jobs - probably fantastic if you're an adult with a job

SecondLine

01-09-2012, 12:34 PM

My taste is so conflicted right now. I'm sposed to like house and techno, 90% of uk stuff sounds dull these days. help

SecondLine

01-09-2012, 12:37 PM

is there a Third Way?

Sectionfive

01-09-2012, 12:42 PM

hmmm only being able to nominate 10 might be too hard, my brains hurting just thinking about it. Would 20 work do you think? I'm shit at statistics.

yeah we can do that. 20. I have no idea how it would work either but it might be clearer once we see how many nominations there are.

Corpsey

01-09-2012, 01:43 PM

Also, what are you considering in nominating? Is it just a personal faves thing or are you supposed to think about which tracks were biggest/most influential etc.? I'm assuming this wasn't the case with the ILX one. Also just nominating most influential might be really boring.

Corpsey

01-09-2012, 01:43 PM

My taste is so conflicted right now. I'm sposed to like house and techno, 90% of uk stuff sounds dull these days. help

that's house and techno's fault

Benny B

01-09-2012, 01:48 PM

Also, what are you considering in nominating? Is it just a personal faves thing or are you supposed to think about which tracks were biggest/most influential etc.? I'm assuming this wasn't the case with the ILX one. Also just nominating most influential might be really boring.

surely it should just start with the records that each person considers the best and just see what happens. I'm sure all the canonical ones will turn up naturally

Corpsey

01-09-2012, 01:49 PM

That's true. We love an anthem round ere.

Sectionfive

01-09-2012, 02:49 PM

This is going to tough. Could do a top 50 2002 already :D

owengriffiths

01-09-2012, 04:36 PM

How about listing ten influential tracks and ten personal faves, so be it if there is a bit of crossover between the two lists. I wouldn't worry too much about collating everyone's lists together in a scientific way, these lists are just a means to promote debate rather than embedding youtube videos.

Sectionfive

01-09-2012, 04:56 PM

Tricky enough too as 2000 takes in Battle, Crazy love and all that and their is so much stuff in the garage tail up to 2002 alone.

Benny B

01-09-2012, 05:52 PM

How about listing ten influential tracks and ten personal faves, so be it if there is a bit of crossover between the two lists. I wouldn't worry too much about collating everyone's lists together in a scientific way, these lists are just a means to promote debate rather than embedding youtube videos.

I reckon a poll would be much more interesting and debate provoking than just a bunch of lists though. I was thinking of something like this...

If everyone publicly nominated up to 20 tunes (in no order), even if only 20 people were involved that would potentially be 400 tunes to choose from. Obviously its a waste to nominate something twice but we could see all the previous ones here on the board.

Then, from that list everyone chooses say, their top 30 tracks in order, so that your ballot isn't just a repeat of your own nominations list.

You could then discount all the tracks with only one vote (theres bound to be loads) and err...go from there with whats left :slanted:

After the final results everyone could also post their own ballots too if they wanted which would be interesting to see. I think this is basically how ILX did their poll.

as i said I'm shit at statistics, but I don't think this would be that difficult to organise. Any statisticians on the board?

Sectionfive

01-09-2012, 06:00 PM

2000, lot of these were probably floating around on Dub before hand but roughly.

hi all. these are my (probably questionable) choices. i decided to forget the limit and describe each thing briefly, here we go:

1999
the actor's pedantry - house
drexciya - andrean sand dunes — (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXkZderp79E)
two on the cusp of the 00s, i had to include them as it would be a shame not to. the first is a very hypnotic house (obviously) workout, the second a particularly affecting electro track.

2000
photek + robert owens - mine to give — (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w25uzdCmFUw)
the best thing he did, and not a bit dated.

So are we doing ''nuum'' tracks or house/techno too cos Bruno just picked a load of the latter stuff (and I'll definitely check out that list)?

Maybe we need to make an OFFICIAL DISSENSUS ARDKORE TOP 100 thread. Preferably with the threat title in ALL CAPS cos we are ARDKORE on this forum and we don't use lower case like wimpy deep house fans do.

bruno

01-09-2012, 06:53 PM

Some that I would call incredibly bland in there picking up loads of votes. Others would call them deep I suppose. It does depend on context and if you've been dancing to them at the right time on the right drugs with the right people in the right party then it's impossible to separate that from the tune - that's what they're made for after all.
in making my own list i found some overlap with the ilx ones in the listening in social contexts department, which is not my strength. for example, the daft punk discovery tracks are dear to me more as backdrops to social stuff and my sister's fixation rather than as music, although i enjoy the retro-futurist angle very much (and the interstella 5555 video is ace). the same thing happened with the 2006 robyn/annie type stuff that would otherwise not be my usual fare. the lesson i suppose is that we need to get out more to understand the more baffling choices.

bruno

01-09-2012, 06:54 PM

Maybe we need to make an OFFICIAL DISSENSUS ARDKORE TOP 100 thread. Preferably with the threat title in ALL CAPS cos we are ARDKORE on this forum and we don't use lower case like wimpy deep house fans do.
EXCELLENT IDEA.

bruno

01-09-2012, 06:57 PM

but really, it wouldn't be a bad idea to have a dedicated thread for such a list. even i could contribute a few choices.

Benny B

01-09-2012, 07:01 PM

So are we doing ''nuum'' tracks or house/techno too cos Bruno just picked a load of the latter stuff (and I'll definitely check out that list)?
.

well would dissensus realistically be able to do justice to a house/techno poll though? I doubt there's enough of a knowledge base here for such a vast subject to make it meaningful.

Also it wouldn't make much sense to have a poll that would put something like Eskimo up against Digital Love for example.

Corpsey

01-09-2012, 07:08 PM

I don't want to see your list go to waste, bruno. But its best if the Dissensus list is different to the ILX one, and plays to our strengths as revilers of deep house.

I demand that Simon Reynolds aka Blissblogger aka the Boss Don of The Ardkore Continuum comes out of retirement for one post listing his favourite nuum tunes of the noughties.

Then later we will further plagiarise ILX by doing a 90's list which will be more ardkore and grimey than theirs, which will no doubt include 'Encore Un Fois' and 'Fairground' by Simply Red.

bruno

01-09-2012, 07:12 PM

benny, i'm not sure i agree. if zhao and other members of the forum are anything to go by we can do both eskimo and digital love, i don't see why not. i excluded grime type stuff from my list because i thought it wouldn't fit, but i can make it fit, i do this with different things every day. these dedicated genre threads may contribute to the impression of narrow taste, but i think we are pretty knowledgeable and much less orthodox than it appears.

I know the above because me and some friends recently watched about 20 youtube compilation videos of every number 1 track between 1990 and 2010. It was enjoyable.

Benny B

01-09-2012, 07:17 PM

benny, i'm not sure i agree. if zhao and other members of the forum are anything to go by we can do both eskimo and digital love, i don't see why not. i excluded grime type stuff from my list because i thought it wouldn't fit, but i can make it fit, i do this with different things every day. these dedicated genre threads may contribute to the impression of narrow taste, but i think we are pretty knowledgeable and much less orthodox than it appears.

I hear you Bruno but I just think if the subject was too big you'd just end up with shitloads of nominations with only one vote, which wouldn't really tell us much and wouldn't be quite as interesting as something more focussed (though obviously the nuum is a massive subject in itself).

bruno

01-09-2012, 07:19 PM

plays to our strengths as revilers of deep house.
not to worry, i only made the list to jog my memory, i doubt anyone will read it anyway. in any case i'm not against a uk/nuum centric list, go for it.

bruno

01-09-2012, 07:21 PM

I hear you Bruno but I just think if the subject was too big you'd just end up with shitloads of nominations with only one vote, which wouldn't really tell us much and wouldn't be quite as interesting as something more focussed (though obviously the nuum is a massive subject in itself).
good point.

rubberdingyrapids

02-09-2012, 03:07 PM

if youre all doing a nuum type thread you need to leave one spot in the chart free for that tune which you loved that was on one pirate tape you had but you never found out what it was and to this day still have no clue but it might be the best grime/dubstep/ukg/ukf track ever made.

edit - also can it be called the rave chart or whatever, not nuum. thanks.

Sectionfive

02-09-2012, 03:15 PM

lol, too true

baboon2004

02-09-2012, 03:41 PM

Their number two would be my number one (Luomo's Tessio), and number three would be very high on my list too...but I guess that goes back to all the microhouse I listened to in the early 00s, no doubt influenced quite a lot by ILX. MFA Difference It Makes remix is also amazing, and Superpitcher must be in there a couple of times too.

muser

02-09-2012, 04:52 PM

I don't really like that list at all to be honest all sounds pretty dull to me. really dont understand how some of those got unanimously picked out, for example the remix of a particularly average omar-s tune.. theres so many to choose from why that? Seems like they have bought into their own collective hype without realizing and made a list out of it.

e/y

02-09-2012, 06:19 PM

the remix of a particularly average omar-s tune...

Which one? There are two Omar-S tracks on the list (Photosynthesis & Here's Your Trance), but I don't see a remix...

edit: ah ok, they linked to the wrong youtube clip, the entry was the original and not the remix.

Tentative Andy

02-09-2012, 07:23 PM

Tessio by Luomo reminds me a little of the old 2-step remixes of Get Down and Telefunkin'.

Numbers

03-09-2012, 09:17 AM

Dissensus can easily beat that tepid list. Bring on the ardkore list.

rubberdingyrapids

03-09-2012, 09:49 AM

im worried mine wont have enough obscurities.

fuck it. im happy to include caspa.

droid

03-09-2012, 10:00 AM

Is it my imagination or is nearly everything on the ILX list dull variations on house that could have been made almost anytime in the last 20 years?

baboon2004

03-09-2012, 10:11 AM

looking through it, i think the answer to that depends on whether or not you like microhouse and french house. the uk doesn't get much of a look-in, basically. Crazy Cousinz is the only funky tune I can see, and I think dubstep is entirely absent unless you count james blake.

rrrivero

03-09-2012, 12:06 PM

im worried mine wont have enough obscurities.

fuck it. im happy to include caspa.hear hear

rubberdingyrapids

03-09-2012, 12:09 PM

obv dance wiv me will be number one.

bruno

03-09-2012, 02:55 PM

lots of 'dissensus can make a better list' bravado here but no actual lists, let's see the fucking lists.

baboon2004

03-09-2012, 03:20 PM

how many records? 20? this is impossible when you remember about kwaito as well.

rubberdingyrapids

03-09-2012, 03:47 PM

i did a grime-dubstep-funky list but it was at least 40 entries long and i didnt even include any garage.

Sectionfive

03-09-2012, 04:39 PM

Is there anyway we could put together some sort of loosely definitive grime list, garage list, funky and so on. Then vote on them to prune.

Could be like group stages or something, I donno

Benny B

03-09-2012, 06:00 PM

Is there anyway we could put together some sort of loosely definitive grime list, garage list, funky and so on. Then vote on them to prune.

Could be like group stages or something, I donno

There'd probably have to some limit on the amount of nominations each person can make though or the list could get proper out of control.

Also I think peoples final ballot should be a list thats longer than their noms list, so that people are also choosing from other peoples' nominations too.

I reckon for the poll itself something like I described a few pages back could work, what do other people think?

Of course theres nothing to stop us having a free-for-all-thread first where everyone posts their long lists (split into genre) as a reference before doing the proper nominations list.

Does that make sense?

Benny B

03-09-2012, 08:02 PM

Should probably start another thread but here is my preliminary long-list, no doubt with plenty of howling omissions. Didn't really know where to start with grime so thats just a few faves off the top of my head. I'm not doing any dubstep I've decided.

get a mix on the go Benny! would love to hear a classic garage/grime/funky mix

owengriffiths

04-09-2012, 08:11 PM

Does it matter how big the list is, not everyone's is the same number and I think I'll struggle to come up with more than 30 across all genres?

Otherwise I can have a list done by tomorrow.

baboon2004

04-09-2012, 08:19 PM

everyone's posted just 'nuum-type stuff - is house and techno allowed more broadly?

owengriffiths

04-09-2012, 08:30 PM

I think it's only nuum type stuff. If you open the door to house & techno then the whole thing would just get unmanageable. Lets just leave it at Garage, Grime, Dubstep, Funky, and maybe D&B & Broken Beat if people consider them London centric enough.

I don't know how everyone else feels about this but I get the feeling that if I was to do list of my top tunes of the 90's the list would be at least triple the size.

baboon2004

04-09-2012, 08:32 PM

ah ok, will get gathering my list. I'm kinda in defence of the ILX list though - I thought it was very good (predictable, true, but so probably will be the Dissensus list in large part, which is no bad thing...some tunes just are fantastic), just coming from a completely opposite direction. Funky and French house are both brilliant at their peak.

Oh fuck I forgot about this tune! Funky was so good back then, wasn't it?

Benny B

04-09-2012, 09:01 PM

Does it matter how big the list is, not everyone's is the same number and I think I'll struggle to come up with more than 30 across all genres?

Otherwise I can have a list done by tomorrow.

I reckon just post your big unordered list for now if you like as a reference. Later we could start a thread where you have to nominate say 20 tunes that we can then all vote on in the final poll.

Does that sound sensible?

baboon2004

04-09-2012, 09:32 PM

D Malice - My Joy refix HAS to go on the funky list

rubberdingyrapids

04-09-2012, 09:36 PM

i totally forgot buss it too. one of the classic early funky anthems.

i wouldnt mind seeing baboons lists for diff genres. in fact i think id like to see lists for diff non nuum genres like french house, mnml, etc, actually, just cos theres loads of stuff i probably only paid marginal attention to BECAUSE of the nuum stuff.

baboon2004

04-09-2012, 09:44 PM

buss it up with kano and vybz kartel was pretty good too.

Will try to get on those lists tomorrow. I'd personally love to see anyone's list of early funky influences, all those tunes from Dennis Ferrer, Quentin Harris, MAW etc etc that Marcus Nasty used to play in 2008-9. A decade's worth of sometimes mindblowing house that I'd totally missed out on, and couldn't identify 90% of it when I heard it out

Benny B

04-09-2012, 09:47 PM

D Malice - My Joy refix HAS to go on the funky list

shit i had this in my long list but got D-Malice mixed up with Dubplate wonder. Great tune but I reckon the D-Malice refix of 'Gabryelle' is THE BOMB. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4X9KIrPAuvw

baboon2004

04-09-2012, 09:50 PM

great tune too, no doubt. but I have a pirate rip of 'My Joy' (probably off someone on Dissensus, tbh) with Marcus Nasty going "hold tight the Queen! She's locked" and other such gems, that's one of my favourite musical artefacts ever

rubberdingyrapids

04-09-2012, 09:52 PM

im trying to think of a best grime mix cds (not albums) list. it would go something like -

wow, had no idea Hype was making tracks like this, thanks for pointing this one out!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37NVo29hsD0

also Mondie's 'Straight' - Yes!. Sounds like next to nothing on its own but becomes the most brutal thing ever with MCs. Someones recently upped loads of the vocals on this riddim to youtube it seems.

owengriffiths

06-09-2012, 07:53 PM

I think Hype was getting overshadowed by Zinc back then, for every one Garage production he made Zinc was putting out six. But when you look back on it you can see that for Hype the levels were much much higher. Scratched is a weird one as the original track is appalling. It (the remix) is one of a small number of sing a long tunes from the dark garage/ dubstep stable.

It's hard to pick Grime tunes, ideally the genre should be judged on ten minute radio clips rather than instrumentals. But something like 'Pow Back' is good, Riko puts in the best performance of his career- if that was live then the flow would be destroyed by half a dozen misguided reloads. But that's one of Grime's problems really.

Benny B

06-09-2012, 08:14 PM

It's hard to pick Grime tunes, ideally the genre should be judged on ten minute radio clips rather than instrumentals.

I know, I've been thinking about how this would work in a poll. For example, my favourite grime tune ever is Riko over Ice Rink (with Kano and Dizzy's versions not too far behind), but I guess in a poll we'd have to count the instro and all the vocals on it as one - but as you say radio clips are where this stuff comes alive and they could be any number of combinations of riddims and MCs. Like, a vote for Wiley's eskimo is really like voting for every one of your favourite MCs who ever rode it!

Benny B

06-09-2012, 08:19 PM

I think Hype was getting overshadowed by Zinc back then, for every one Garage production he made Zinc was putting out six. But when you look back on it you can see that for Hype the levels were much much higher. Scratched is a weird one as the original track is appalling. It (the remix) is one of a small number of sing a long tunes from the dark garage/ dubstep stable.

Yes I think I like that Hype tune better than anything Zinc's done. 138 trek is good but overrated - only really works for me with MCs. Most of the Bingo Beats stuff I've heard is boring as fuck.

Just to totally derail what you're all talking about now but... I Feel Space is such a brilliant name for a tune, I just wish that I could remember the actual tune after i listened to it. I must have heard it a million times but couldn't pick it out of a line-up tomorrow. Now wonder he moved on to stuff like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzqiCNSRcD0

rubberdingyrapids

07-09-2012, 10:10 AM

funny how everyones putting tubby and plasticman under dubstep.

Sectionfive

07-09-2012, 03:49 PM

Croydon factor might edge it for plasticman I suppose. That tubby tune has the weight

edit: duh, i see what you mean, 2000 to 2010 inclusive is 11 years innit?

Tentative Andy

10-09-2012, 12:25 PM

:o Oops, must have been assuming that we were just going up to the present day (think the ILX list did it this way but could be talking rubbish).

Edit: yeah they did because they had Todd Terje - Snooze For Love from last year and Inspector Norse from the same guy which came out at the start of this year. 'The long noughties' if you will. Obviously we don't have to do it this way though.

Ory

10-09-2012, 01:42 PM

ah yeah, just realised most of mine are 2010 too :confused:

like different lekstrix is really an early funky staple (2008) but came out officially 2 years later

Going through other people's noms has got me listening to lots of old Ruff Sqwad again. This is of course a good thing.

Ory

16-09-2012, 07:27 PM

re: bassline

dj q ft. lenky - dc gang

or was that 2010 too? tbh 2009-2011 is all a big blur to me. not enough definitive moments.

Benny B

16-09-2012, 07:49 PM

re: bassline

dj q ft. lenky - dc gang

or was that 2010 too? tbh 2009-2011 is all a big blur to me. not enough definitive moments.

deffo 2009. What a tune! Love ragga chat over bassline.

I think if one bassline tune's gonna make it into my final list it would be Candy Shop - the tune that revived my interest in bassline once again (and forever). A definitive moment for me at least. We simply have to include 2010 if we do this thing don't we?

rubberdingyrapids

16-09-2012, 07:51 PM

not seen bongo eyes on any lists - i would nominate all 3 parts personally. i loved things like that - a particular track getting modified over and over and each part being released one after the other. like a little saga. there should be a greatest grime refixes/remixes list (bongo eyes, i luv pulse x, quite a few of the later mixes of pulse x were better than the original imo)

Benny B

16-09-2012, 07:59 PM

I was kinda hoping Luka, Slackk, Blackdown, Ach, Elijah, Spooky, Silverdollar, Sick Boy etc were gonna come with some grime lists, ie: people who were actually listening to grime when it was at its peak.

luka

17-09-2012, 06:53 AM

i would if i had a functioning memory

fhuckface

17-09-2012, 02:48 PM

Since its being asked for above I think Ill provide a short list of some memorable grime instros when it was banging

Also Im gonna group the 4X4/2 steppy stuff that was in the transition period in with it, job lot.

also DJ Virus is zander hardy from deep teknologi...not too sure either but i think the rudesting video is just the original version

fhuckface

17-09-2012, 05:32 PM

oh and i'm an oldschool grime geek btw incase u hadn't guessed, but someone PLEASE id the first tune in this vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpDITHg0xW4&feature=related

couldn't get the name at the time and it still eludes me....anyone help? edit, spooky?

edit* and also at the risk of this becoming a grime id thread, can someone confirm im not going mad. Back in those days I went to RD & bought a single sided press of bubbles from roll deep's 'Do It' (i distinctly remember the vocal sample from the tune) however when my records were stolen from a youth club a few years later i lost it, but i can't find it on discogs or on the internet anywhere, long shot but can anyone help? im sure i bought it, i can remember being pissed off at the single side 12" but i bought everything that was released back then, espec from the E3 lot

atoga

17-09-2012, 09:32 PM

oh and i'm an oldschool grime geek btw incase u hadn't guessed, but someone PLEASE id the first tune in this vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpDITHg0xW4&feature=related

couldn't get the name at the time and it still eludes me....anyone help? edit, spooky?
it's a Lady B Line, don't know the name... just a Slimzee dubplate though.

This is just the ones i remember off the top of my head, i am sure i have missed a bunch of IG Culture, Landslide, Bugz In The Attic, Modaji, Nathan Haines records and many other classics.

Broken Beat was never really considered part of the Nuum theory you guys espouse on here,was it?

Corpsey

03-01-2013, 05:24 PM

I guess we're never going to do ours, eh?

Oh well, here's ILX's ''Tracks Of The 90s'' thread (http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=41&threadid=94656#unread) to tide us over while we take a good hard look at ourselves in the mirror and think about what we've not done.

Corpsey

03-01-2013, 05:31 PM

Actually, I was being rather blase about not doing it but I see people have listed a whole heap of tunes in this thread - is there a way this could still be done?

I presume we'd have to put all the named tunes in a big list and pick out a certain number each with each vote meaning a point? Organisation is not my strong suite, unfortunately.

I also wonder if it would be good to have certain members picking representative tunes from scenes i.e. continuum obviously knows more than most people on here about Bassline. But would it be more a question of which Bassline tune e.g. has transcended the scene it came from to become a hit/anthem for the 'ardkore nation in general?

QUESTIONS QUESTIONS

Corpsey

03-01-2013, 05:32 PM

BTW can we somehow get Tim F to this thread to do a rundown of funky tunes in particular? And then to do full write ups for all 100 tracks, with footnotes and accompanying windows movie maker videos?

Also, to make things even more Dissensian, we could have short opinion pieces attached to each tune - one from a lover of the tune, one from a fighter of the tune. I.E. Blackdown could talk about how great Burial is and then Luka could slag Burial off immediately afterwards? Plus I know certain members (rubberdinghyrapids?) like wobble tunes and other members hate them soooooooo

Or maybe we could just save the arguing for the thread itself?

rubberdingyrapids

03-01-2013, 06:07 PM

i think tentative andy and benny b have funky covered well enough. and others have put in some less comprehensive funky selections so we dont need tim f. :p

Benny B

03-01-2013, 08:16 PM

I already said that I wouldn't mind organising it and made some suggestions about how it could be done. TBH Corpsey I'm not really sure enough people are still around to take part and make it worthwhile though, this place is really dying off it seems. If enough people show interest then we could give it a go but it might turn out a bit lame.

On a similar dark garage tip I'd nominate these nearly forgotten treasures:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUa6LEdThtw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImplpnOIKPc
Hardcore Garage.

I think it'd be great to have a list, we could all do blurbs for it and we could even make it in to a series of blog posts: 100-91, 90-81 etc.

baboon2004

04-01-2013, 09:43 AM

I already said that I wouldn't mind organising it and made some suggestions about how it could be done. TBH Corpsey I'm not really sure enough people are still around to take part and make it worthwhile though, this place is really dying off it seems. If enough people show interest then we could give it a go but it might turn out a bit lame.

Thanks for the link - Finney's selection and prose excellent as usual. I remember when Simon Reynolds was this good. Speaking of which, in the spirit of end-of-year roundups, I bought the Wire yesterday and the bit where they get writers to sum up their pros and cons of 2012 was worth the price in itself (I imagine a couple of people here wrote pieces for it) - loads of excellent recommendations for film and books as well as for music.

Rumours of Dissensus dying off are an Xmas/New Year tradition, I think - it always gets very quiet

Benny B

04-01-2013, 04:14 PM

Lovely to see Lapaz Toyota get such a high place and a spot-on write up in Tim's roundup and he chose the correct Jackin' tunes too. And absolutely no complaints about the number 1 spot from me.

Dissensus needs a bit of a kick up the arse I'd say with some fresh posters, maybe it'll pick up. :slanted:

RE: poll, I'll start a new thread that compiles all the nomination lists we've got so far and then we can decide what to do after that.

Tentative Andy

06-01-2013, 12:00 PM

^ Co-signing all of the appreciation for Tim's eoy list. In addition to just being great music writing, it's been making me re-assess my feeling that 2012 was quite a poor year in music. Going through the list has made me realize that there was plenty of good stuff going on, just that this was mostly well away from my center of gravity as it were.
I dunno, I can definitely see myself getting more into vocal-based, song-form music again - think the time when contemporary dance music could fill all or even most of my musical needs has passed, at least for now.

Tentative Andy

06-01-2013, 12:04 PM

Going to link to Werkin Girls by Angel Haze for anyone who's not heard it, because it's one of the tunes from Tim's list that feels like it fits closest with what Dissensians tend to be into:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS1gKv9zDJ8
Got that cold, steely-eyed energy to it.