Monday, April 17, 2017

It had taken years — and the passionate support of Kirk Kerkorian, who financed the film's $100 million budget without expecting to ever make a profit — for The Promise, a historical romance set against the backdrop of the Armenian genocide and starring Christian Bale and Oscar Isaac, to reach the screen. Producers always knew it would be controversial: Descendants of the 1.5 million Armenians killed by the Ottoman Empire shortly after the onset of World War I have long pressed for the episode to be recognized as a genocide despite the Turkish government's insistence the deaths were not a premeditated extermination.

The Promise, which opens April 21, finally would bring the untold saga to a mass audience. But at the Toronto Film Festival premiere in September, producer Mike Medavoy watched the late billionaire's carefully laid plans upended by a digital swarm that appeared out of nowhere.

Before the critics in attendance even had the chance to exit Roy Thompson Hall, let alone write their reviews, The Promise's IMDb page was flooded with tens of thousands of one-star ratings. "All I know is that we were in about a 900-seat house with a real ovation at the end, and then you see almost 100,000 people who claim the movie isn't any good," says Medavoy. Panicked calls were placed to IMDb, but there was nothing the site could do. "One thing that they can track is where the votes come from," says Eric Esrailian, who also produced the film, and "the vast majority of people voting were not from Canada. So I know they weren't in Toronto."

The online campaign against The Promise appears to have originated on sites like Incisozluk, a Turkish version of 4chan, where there were calls for users to "downvote" the film's ratings on IMDb and YouTube.

I look forward to hearing SJWs cry about how terrible it is that film producers are making efforts to ID those campaigning against their films. Because, as we are reliably informed, identifying fake reviewers is a crime against humanity.

However, it does underline the fact that if you want to support the authors, developers, and producers making stuff that you enjoy, it is very important to leave reviews, the more substantive, the better.

I look forward to hearing SJWs cry about how terrible it is that film producers are making efforts to ID those campaigning against their films.

Considering the subject matter of the film I actually wouldn't be surprised if the SJWs do come out in support of the fake reviewers. They have reliably informed us that Christians cannot be persecuted. Also, their heroes at TYT do not like it when this particular subject comes up.

One star reviews are almost invariably fake, and politically motivated. That is my experience of more than a decade on Amazon. Why the Toronto film festival would pay any attention to such garbage is another question....Pressure from the Turkish Government???

You know this lame-sounding movie probably hired 10,000 rapefugees to downvote the movie so they could make a "persecuted film Narrative" for PR.

Not everyone can convince a bear to rape Leonardo DiCapprio, after all.

Instead they have a "romance" starring two men. In other words, a love triangle. This thing is Pearl Harbor starring the better Batman instead of Ben Affleck. I hope FDR stands up for this one, too. Maybe he can tote a tommygun and mow down robotic Confederate Soldiers in the process.

Does The Promise showcase Sabbatean (((Turks))) as well as regular Turks? Even if it didn't, the SJWs might get slapped down anyways. Any potential introduction of (((Tribe))) malfeasance outside of Arabs vs. beleaguered Israel isn't for the stupid Goyim to know.

I hate to leave 5 star reviews bc I think people will see it as fake even though I felt the product deserves it. I now try to explain why I felt the product gets this review from me. There is definitely a lot of pressure to inflate reviews bc I am loyal to the company.

I have always found 2-4 star reviews to be the most honest and ignore 1 stars. Even if I hate something ill give it a 2 star so its taken more seriously.

Vox Popoli is awesome. It is open to the public. The host Vox Day is as good as it gets at writing and reporting. He is also very funny and entertaining. There are a vast amount of very educated intelligent people that comment on the blog and you can learn a lot just reading the discussions. The small minority of trolls are being delt with as best as possible, but I find it doesn't take away from all of the other great stuff you will find. There is no other place like it on the internet. No other site comes close to offering the level of realism and making you feel like you are a part of the media and that you have a voice. Also I find it to be an extremely trustworthy source of information.

Student in Blue wrote:Roaches gonna roach.Because 4chan never ever conducted a review bombing campaign of any sort, neither was its userbase ever behind downvote storms for movie and video game trailers on YT...

@10 For me, I'm less motivated to leave a review if I believe a product or service is mediocre. But if it's really great, or it really sucks, then I want to tell people about it and provide some support for why I hold my opinion.

I probably pay the most attention to 1 and 5 star reviews too, assuming the reviewers adequately explain.

Similar to how a comments section requires fakebook registration. This to me reveals their censorship fetish. Same with movies. I observe the cultural reaction, consult with some bloggers, do my own digging and come to my own conclusion. If it appears to be pro-globalistdiversity, I pass (or go out of my way to smear it where I can).

Didn't IMDB announce earlier this year that they'd be dropping comments? Maybe they could do the same with reviews. That'd solve the fake review problem. It would also make IMDB a lot more boring and less useful. A small price to pay for shutting down the hoi polloi.

When hack comic Joe DeRosa threw his former friend Anthony Cumia under the bus after Cumia was fired from SiriusXM heaps of Cumia fans went to Amazon and downvoted DeRosa's comedy albums down to one star, and leaving hilarious reviews.

Also, I was quite incorrect to be indifferent to Amazon's affiliate program. Everything I've bought in the past few years that is not an immediate essential has been from affiliates. A company will do an efficient tear-sheet description of a product aimed at people who are already very professional. An affiliate will do a review that has videos, photos of a step by step use of a product. It will be aimed at someone who is not a professional, or even a very focused amateur. It will have very detailed how-tos, and opinions. And, it will have that 100 monkeys effect. People will find different ways of using a product, other than how the company professionals envisioned the product.

I'm sure it is lucrative for the review blogs to make high quality content with videos and photos, carefully edited, well-made, well-thought out, at this price point. I am not sure it is as profitable at half as much. Very possibly the quality will go down.

But, also, a hateful review can have a good effect to the right audience: I picked up a Brad Thor novel based on a hate review. The reviewer was horrified that five people died in the first five pages, and that the author was not Muslim positive in any way. I hadn't been able to find a thriller writer to take the place of Tom Clancy, and this review certainly pointed me in a good direction. The review was accurate: five guys died horribly in the first five pages! I loved it! It was the most informative of all the reviews, too.

People who like something tend to leave out details. "I Liked it" is not really persuasive at all. I end up relying on the hate reviews to find out important details worth my attention.

Amy Schumerius complains that people one-stared the fat woman in tight leather clothes...

I love how, the Left always has a weird fetish over creating the imminent danger of total societal collapse being waged by bigotted cowards that goes against them and their projects. Man this stealth narrative preaching is the reason I gave up on Cable.

You know what's nice? Under the article there is another article that Ridley Scott opened a VR branch. Mr Tingle, the eight passenger is ready to bone you from behind in VR.

Its funny that is the Armenians had the same power the Jews did, we'd have Armenian "Holocaust centers" in ever major city, we'd have laws against "denying the Armenian Holocaust" and everyone would be asking themselves "Why didn't we stop the Armenian Holocaust?"

But of course, the Armenians, don't have much power, so no one cares about their "holocaust".

rcocean wrote:Its funny that is the Armenians had the same power the Jews did, we'd have Armenian "Holocaust centers" in ever major city, we'd have laws against "denying the Armenian Holocaust" and everyone would be asking themselves "Why didn't we stop the Armenian Holocaust?"

American jewish orgs like the ADL refused to recognize the Armenian Genocide as genocide, until the last few years, and they were damn reluctant about it. Wanted to protect the brand, I guess.

When Congress wanted to recognize the genocide, jews opposed it vociferously.

American jewish orgs like the ADL refused to recognize the Armenian Genocide as genocide, until the last few years, and they were damn reluctant about it. Wanted to protect the brand, I guess...Does The Promise showcase Sabbatean (((Turks))) as well as regular Turks

Just like how they helped Mao kill 100 million Chinese, and got charity grain shipments impounded to protect the price of grain in the Irish Famine, they used the invisible hand in Turkey also.

Hollyweird related:Since Orca Windfree is doing a movie about a black woman whose cancer cells were harvested by Johns Hopkins Drs that used them along with others for med research. I will do a movie about the contribution of the 5 cantaloupes that gave us modern Penicillin #MellonLivesMatter

Finally, one of Hollywood's pet causes, the Armenian Genocide, unintentionally takes aim at one of its other pet causes, the Islamification of Europe. Better yet, it is a movie aimed at young people and young women! And it comes out on the cusp of the French election!

We need more movies like this. About the fall of Constantinople. The Ottoman slave trade. The battle for Malta. What happened to the Greeks. The conquest of Spain. The wreck of the Commerce. There are so many subjects.

I'm guessing it was Hollywood execs who pressured IMDB into shutting down the comments section, primarily over backlash against the recent string of black propaganda movies like, "Latrina and her sisters sent white men to space". People posting legit Historical facts were attacked as racist trolls and reported by pink SJW knights to mods. Same for anyone pointing out Hollywoods obvious agenda. Fanboys battles between Marvel and DC were often entertaining. And you could always find interesting facts and trivia on some of the more obscure films in the comments section. But,.. SJW's ruin everything.I use The Movie Data Base now, TMDB

The Quran clearly states, if a Muslim murders an unbeliever, it is not he that kills the unbeliever but Allah. So the Turks could just say, we dindunuffin, 'twas Allah!

Also, at the same time they murdered the Greek in Lydia, many of whom got evacuated in time by Greek boats and ships, a giant rescue action. Never mentioned, but important.

As to the fake reviews, that was probably TYT themselves.

And, great admired laizist anti-Muslim (probably (((Doenme))) ) Atatuerk was at that time active in the Young Turks who committed the genocides; though I don't know about any personal involvement by him

@42 : The ADL also went apeshit when the Ukrainian post-Putsch government made a law outlawing BOTH Holocaust AND Holodomor denial, saying essentially, you can't compare the holy killing of 6 million Jews with the profane slaughter of 7 million Slawic Christians.

Somehow they are not really the propaganda masters they think they are.

In 2016, the all-female reboot of Ghostbusters became a magnet for a downvoting campaign from 4chan and Reddit users. They organized to give hundreds of thousands of "thumbs down" to the film's YouTube marketing materials — its first official trailer, the video of its theme song, even a clip of the cast on Jimmy Kimmel Live! Sony began releasing the film's trailers on Facebook, which has no "dislike" button, but by then the trolls had taken hold of the narrative. It's impossible to say whether they made an impact on the box office, but in the end, Ghostbusters lost an estimated $70 million.

As predicted here, not because trolls, because Convergence. Let's hope they make 100 more movies just like it on the way down. Come to think of it, Tor Books should be pitching them treatments of Scalzi's work.

I am not sure if it helps, Vox.....but under common law it is a tort to interfere with someone else's business. Surely, a movie maker or novelist would have a reasonable argument....and claim for money damages.....were it determined that the down-reviewers were attempting to harm their ability to operate their business, which is book writing or movie making.

"However, it does underline the fact that if you want to support the authors, developers, and producers making stuff that you enjoy, it is very important to leave reviews, the more substantive, the better.”

This 1000 X.I own a brick and mortar business. 85 % of new leads come from the internet. I made the unfortunate mistake of getting personal testimonials from previous clients via an exit survey. These testimonials ( all very positive) were then posted on my website. Not once did I request that they post them to Google +, Yelp, Fakebook or Angies List. To this day, its my biggest regret. This past year, someone ( more than likely a competitor) began posting slanderous reviews on all of the aforementioned sites. Its been a nightmare to deal with. Trying to get Google to remove them from Google + - forget it. Not sunless it contains swear words or links to porn sites. Yelp - even worse. Fakebook - easier.Ive now had to hire a lawyer @ $400 p/hr. to get a court order to remove the reviews from these different sites , on grounds that they constitute defamation and are fake, and then go after the poster for damages. Its been a nightmare and a massive learning experience.

I absolutely love reading & watching reviews for products I wish to purchase. If I'm really keen on a product I seek out the negative reviews so that I know exactly what I'm in for.

Ghostbuster failed not because of the negative reviews but because it was Ghostbusters but with girls. In other words it added nothing & was a straight up insult to fans.

Braveheart but with a trans-black-muslim wouldn't work either and not because anyone was "phobic". But please Hollywood, don't start making great movies again, take old favourites / classics and get a SJW to rewrite them to appeal to a small but vocal minority. Please do that because I get to chortle when I read about selling 1 ticket during the opening weekend

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