Fly-tippers’ green waste must remain

Coun Fay Howard, who is opposed the council’s decison not to clear fly-tipped green waste immediately

Fly-tipped green waste will be left in the streets, in order to send a message that it will not be tolerated, the council says.

Earlier this year the council introduced a £40 green waste charge as a way of saving money but critics feared it would lead to an increase in fly-tipping.

While there are no exact figures, the council has said it will not make collecting any dumped green waste a priority in an attempt to deter people from breaking the law.

They have said any hazardous waste will be collected but the rest will only be taken when a town-wide fly-tip collection is done.

However, Labour have criticised the move saying it will lead to a lower quality environment and the charge needs to be reversed if the problem is going to be solved.

Coun Fay Howard (Lab, Liden, Eldene and Park South), the shadow Streetsmart spokeswoman, said: “The fly-tipping of green waste has become a new issue since the introduction of the green waste collection charge.

“When the green waste collection charge was proposed, we said this would lead to increased fly-tipping, which would be an additional expense to the council to collect.

“It seems that rather than pay for the collection of the increased fly-tipping of green waste, the council have decided to instead just leave them for a few months leading to a poorer environment.

“I understand that the council are reluctant to immediately collect the fly-tipping because of the cost and because it will encourage further fly-tipping. But this is all the more reason to scrap the green waste collection charge and bring back a free service.”

Coun Brian Ford (Con, Wroughton and Wichelstowe) said: “While a small minority of people have selfishly decided to fly-tip green waste, there has not been a significant increase across the borough as a whole.

“Those anti-social people who think it’s acceptable to litter the town with their waste don’t deserve to be rewarded for it by having it collected, “But it can be a hazard or an eyesore to the decent majority who wouldn’t dream of doing it themselves.

“We’ve decided to immediately move the waste causing a hazard, and what remains will be marked for collection on the next scheduled fly-tipping clean up round, “We will investigate any fly-tipping cases which are reported to us and pursue the people responsible for it through the courts if necessary. “

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"Coun Fay Howard (Lab, Liden, Eldene and Park South), the shadow Streetsmart spokeswoman, said: “The fly-tipping of green waste has become a new issue since the introduction of the green waste collection charge."

Well, there's a surprise! I bet no-one saw that coming!

"Coun Fay Howard (Lab, Liden, Eldene and Park South), the shadow Streetsmart spokeswoman, said: “The fly-tipping of green waste has become a new issue since the introduction of the green waste collection charge."
Well, there's a surprise! I bet no-one saw that coming!Always Grumpy

So the council will just leave it there meaning everyone in the local area to the dumped waste has to put up with it. Pick it up and dump it at the civic offices or outside Tory councillors homes then. If other innocent residents have to put up with it,so should those deciding to leave it there.

So the council will just leave it there meaning everyone in the local area to the dumped waste has to put up with it. Pick it up and dump it at the civic offices or outside Tory councillors homes then. If other innocent residents have to put up with it,so should those deciding to leave it there.Davey Gravey

I wonder if the same laissez faire approach would apply if the fly tipping occurred outside the Civic Offices, in a key shopping area or outside the home of an eminent councillor? Why should the innocent have their environment blighted so the council can "give a message"? Get a grip SBC.

I wonder if the same laissez faire approach would apply if the fly tipping occurred outside the Civic Offices, in a key shopping area or outside the home of an eminent councillor? Why should the innocent have their environment blighted so the council can "give a message"? Get a grip SBC.express_a_view

If your garden generates more green waste than you can compose then to be honest £40 a year does not seem much of a charge to have it taken away. You could spend as much in fuel and wear & tear on your car doing a monthly tip run so even if you have your own car its a winner.

There will always be irresponsible fools who just fly tip their trash and garden waste is no different.

If your garden generates more green waste than you can compose then to be honest £40 a year does not seem much of a charge to have it taken away. You could spend as much in fuel and wear & tear on your car doing a monthly tip run so even if you have your own car its a winner.
There will always be irresponsible fools who just fly tip their trash and garden waste is no different.swindondad

I allways put mine out in the the blue bags and the bin men takes them away, our bin men are great they,ll throw a setee in the back for a fiver.

Better than queing up at the smelly old tip.

Every resident in the Broad Green, Manchester Rd area just put,s the rubish in the allyway. It gets cleared eventually.

Make it hard to recycle it gets dumped. Whats hard about that to understand.

I allways put mine out in the the blue bags and the bin men takes them away, our bin men are great they,ll throw a setee in the back for a fiver.
Better than queing up at the smelly old tip.
Every resident in the Broad Green, Manchester Rd area just put,s the rubish in the allyway. It gets cleared eventually.
Make it hard to recycle it gets dumped. Whats hard about that to understand.anotherimigrant

1. Look on ebay online to buy an Large Garden Fire Bin 90L it will help with keeping costs down. It costs around £20 and you can use year after year.

2. Look or ask in your stores they may have a Fire bins.
MBROS store in Gorse Hill has them.

I hope this helps!

ADVISE
what to do with your green waste.
1. Look on ebay online to buy an Large Garden Fire Bin 90L it will help with keeping costs down. It costs around £20 and you can use year after year.
2. Look or ask in your stores they may have a Fire bins.
MBROS store in Gorse Hill has them.
I hope this helps!miss dogface305

1. Look on ebay online to buy an Large Garden Fire Bin 90L it will help with keeping costs down. It costs around £20 and you can use year after year.

2. Look or ask in your stores they may have a Fire bins.
MBROS store in Gorse Hill has them.

I hope this helps!

when the twa$t behind me starts a bonfire I allways call the fire brigade.

This is a smoke free zone, but then no one cares about the air we breath.

No wonder we are all dying of cancer, pity some councilors arent.

[quote][p][bold]miss dogface305[/bold] wrote:
ADVISE
what to do with your green waste.
1. Look on ebay online to buy an Large Garden Fire Bin 90L it will help with keeping costs down. It costs around £20 and you can use year after year.
2. Look or ask in your stores they may have a Fire bins.
MBROS store in Gorse Hill has them.
I hope this helps![/p][/quote]when the twa$t behind me starts a bonfire I allways call the fire brigade.
This is a smoke free zone, but then no one cares about the air we breath.
No wonder we are all dying of cancer, pity some councilors arent.anotherimigrant

Fay Howard is all for scrapping the charges for collection of green waste. Most of us are but IF that happens one has to feel sorry for those public spirited folk who have already paid ! Why cant the council get things right first time occasionally ?

Fay Howard is all for scrapping the charges for collection of green waste. Most of us are but IF that happens one has to feel sorry for those public spirited folk who have already paid ! Why cant the council get things right first time occasionally ?umpcah

umpcah wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup !

Its often much longer than one hour!

[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup ![/p][/quote]Its often much longer than one hour!Oldswindonian

umpcah wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup !

Its often much longer than one hour!

My mate waited for two hours recently but it`s usually it`s about an hour. Wonder what the record is ?

[quote][p][bold]Oldswindonian[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup ![/p][/quote]Its often much longer than one hour![/p][/quote]My mate waited for two hours recently but it`s usually it`s about an hour. Wonder what the record is ?umpcah

Perhaps anyone who spots fly tipped green waste should report it to the council as hazardous or another type of waste, that way they won't be able to give it a low priority.

The green bins represent a tax increase there's no doubt about that. I decided to hold off on buying a green bin until I knew for sure that I would need it. My garden does create a lot of waste, but I have a fire bin, as has been recommended above, and this does help. The rest goes in our normal household waste bin.

I am absolutely opposed to the Council's policy on green waste, I take very few services from the Council and refuse collection is one of the most visible services I get for my £1400 a year tax.

If placing my green waste in the household waste means that it will end up in land fill and the council will pay more for disposal, so be it. It's an issue of their own making and one that was predicted when they first proposed this change, along with the fly tipping.

I think a timely Freedom of Information request asking for details of comparable weights of refuse going to landfill last summer and this summer as well as the numbers for incidents of fly tipping this year and last year will help to shine a light on this issue.

Perhaps anyone who spots fly tipped green waste should report it to the council as hazardous or another type of waste, that way they won't be able to give it a low priority.
The green bins represent a tax increase there's no doubt about that. I decided to hold off on buying a green bin until I knew for sure that I would need it. My garden does create a lot of waste, but I have a fire bin, as has been recommended above, and this does help. The rest goes in our normal household waste bin.
I am absolutely opposed to the Council's policy on green waste, I take very few services from the Council and refuse collection is one of the most visible services I get for my £1400 a year tax.
If placing my green waste in the household waste means that it will end up in land fill and the council will pay more for disposal, so be it. It's an issue of their own making and one that was predicted when they first proposed this change, along with the fly tipping.
I think a timely Freedom of Information request asking for details of comparable weights of refuse going to landfill last summer and this summer as well as the numbers for incidents of fly tipping this year and last year will help to shine a light on this issue.Gingerboy

My advise would be is to always let your neighbours know in advance if this causes disputes.

Best time is in the evening.

Regarding pollution we are all around it every day.

There are no laws against having a bonfire.
My advise would be is to always let your neighbours know in advance if this causes disputes.
Best time is in the evening.
Regarding pollution we are all around it every day.miss dogface305

Gingerboy wrote:
Perhaps anyone who spots fly tipped green waste should report it to the council as hazardous or another type of waste, that way they won't be able to give it a low priority.

The green bins represent a tax increase there's no doubt about that. I decided to hold off on buying a green bin until I knew for sure that I would need it. My garden does create a lot of waste, but I have a fire bin, as has been recommended above, and this does help. The rest goes in our normal household waste bin.

I am absolutely opposed to the Council's policy on green waste, I take very few services from the Council and refuse collection is one of the most visible services I get for my £1400 a year tax.

If placing my green waste in the household waste means that it will end up in land fill and the council will pay more for disposal, so be it. It's an issue of their own making and one that was predicted when they first proposed this change, along with the fly tipping.

I think a timely Freedom of Information request asking for details of comparable weights of refuse going to landfill last summer and this summer as well as the numbers for incidents of fly tipping this year and last year will help to shine a light on this issue.

I think a timely Freedom of Information request asking for details of comparable weights of refuse going to landfill last summer and this summer as well as the numbers for incidents of fly tipping this year and last year will help to shine a light on this issue. Alas figures can be massaged or at least can be misleading. If I take two bags of my green waste to a backstreet in the Broadgreen area at midnight and add them to four bags already there what statistic will the council arrive at ? ONE I expect !

[quote][p][bold]Gingerboy[/bold] wrote:
Perhaps anyone who spots fly tipped green waste should report it to the council as hazardous or another type of waste, that way they won't be able to give it a low priority.
The green bins represent a tax increase there's no doubt about that. I decided to hold off on buying a green bin until I knew for sure that I would need it. My garden does create a lot of waste, but I have a fire bin, as has been recommended above, and this does help. The rest goes in our normal household waste bin.
I am absolutely opposed to the Council's policy on green waste, I take very few services from the Council and refuse collection is one of the most visible services I get for my £1400 a year tax.
If placing my green waste in the household waste means that it will end up in land fill and the council will pay more for disposal, so be it. It's an issue of their own making and one that was predicted when they first proposed this change, along with the fly tipping.
I think a timely Freedom of Information request asking for details of comparable weights of refuse going to landfill last summer and this summer as well as the numbers for incidents of fly tipping this year and last year will help to shine a light on this issue.[/p][/quote]I think a timely Freedom of Information request asking for details of comparable weights of refuse going to landfill last summer and this summer as well as the numbers for incidents of fly tipping this year and last year will help to shine a light on this issue. Alas figures can be massaged or at least can be misleading. If I take two bags of my green waste to a backstreet in the Broadgreen area at midnight and add them to four bags already there what statistic will the council arrive at ? ONE I expect !umpcah

Davey Gravey wrote:
So the council will just leave it there meaning everyone in the local area to the dumped waste has to put up with it. Pick it up and dump it at the civic offices or outside Tory councillors homes then. If other innocent residents have to put up with it,so should those deciding to leave it there.

Or maybe take it down the tip.

[quote][p][bold]Davey Gravey[/bold] wrote:
So the council will just leave it there meaning everyone in the local area to the dumped waste has to put up with it. Pick it up and dump it at the civic offices or outside Tory councillors homes then. If other innocent residents have to put up with it,so should those deciding to leave it there.[/p][/quote]Or maybe take it down the tip.South Stand

A desperate measure for an ill thought out idea.
Obviously the predicted savings are just pie in the sky and not collecting fly tipped green rubbish is a way of trying to make it look like they are saving money.

A desperate measure for an ill thought out idea.
Obviously the predicted savings are just pie in the sky and not collecting fly tipped green rubbish is a way of trying to make it look like they are saving money.nobody

I was unlucky enough to have 7 green waste bags dumped on the green verge outside my house by a scumbag neighbour. After a protracted argument with the council, it was actually removed. If it happens again, I shall simply dump it in the doorway of Watt Tyler House, and I urge everyone else to do the same.

I was unlucky enough to have 7 green waste bags dumped on the green verge outside my house by a scumbag neighbour. After a protracted argument with the council, it was actually removed. If it happens again, I shall simply dump it in the doorway of Watt Tyler House, and I urge everyone else to do the same.Crapulous

It gets on my nerves when politicians say the £40 charge is instead of the free service we previously had. It was never free to those of us who pay Council Tax, they just want to charge more now!

It gets on my nerves when politicians say the £40 charge is instead of the free service we previously had. It was never free to those of us who pay Council Tax, they just want to charge more now!Wildwestener

umpcah wrote:
Fay Howard is all for scrapping the charges for collection of green waste. Most of us are but IF that happens one has to feel sorry for those public spirited folk who have already paid ! Why cant the council get things right first time occasionally ?

Labour are always for spending other people's money and always have been.
Funny have they've managed to spin the story to blame the council rather than the filthy inconsiderate scum dumping their cr4p in the hope that someone else will clear it up. It's not the council creating the 'poorer environment' Fay Howard is whining about, it's rsoles who don't care abut their town or their neighbours.

[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote:
Fay Howard is all for scrapping the charges for collection of green waste. Most of us are but IF that happens one has to feel sorry for those public spirited folk who have already paid ! Why cant the council get things right first time occasionally ?[/p][/quote]Labour are always for spending other people's money and always have been.
Funny have they've managed to spin the story to blame the council rather than the filthy inconsiderate scum dumping their cr4p in the hope that someone else will clear it up. It's not the council creating the 'poorer environment' Fay Howard is whining about, it's rsoles who don't care abut their town or their neighbours.Hmmmf

If you have a garden, you do not expect the taxpayers to buy you plants and seeds, so why should the taxpayers pay to come and collect your waste?
This is an individual choice, you create garden waste so you get to pay a very small fee to get it cleared, there is nothing unfair about it.

If you have a garden, you do not expect the taxpayers to buy you plants and seeds, so why should the taxpayers pay to come and collect your waste?
This is an individual choice, you create garden waste so you get to pay a very small fee to get it cleared, there is nothing unfair about it.A.Baron-Cohen

Crapulous wrote:
I was unlucky enough to have 7 green waste bags dumped on the green verge outside my house by a scumbag neighbour. After a protracted argument with the council, it was actually removed. If it happens again, I shall simply dump it in the doorway of Watt Tyler House, and I urge everyone else to do the same.

Are your neighbours that scary that you can't simply point out to them that they are not supposed to do that? In fairness, they may not know about the green bin service.

This is another of those examples where people complain about the "nanny state" and those in power telling us what to do all the time, but as soon as someone does something we don't like, we go running off to those very same people expecting them to sort it out.

We don't have neighbourhoods any more either. We have collections of houses where people don't speak to each other. If everyone were more neighbourly a) people would be more cautious about ruining the neighbourhood and b) more people would be willing to speak up against the bad eggs because they know they could count on the support of the majority.

[quote][p][bold]Crapulous[/bold] wrote:
I was unlucky enough to have 7 green waste bags dumped on the green verge outside my house by a scumbag neighbour. After a protracted argument with the council, it was actually removed. If it happens again, I shall simply dump it in the doorway of Watt Tyler House, and I urge everyone else to do the same.[/p][/quote]Are your neighbours that scary that you can't simply point out to them that they are not supposed to do that? In fairness, they may not know about the green bin service.
This is another of those examples where people complain about the "nanny state" and those in power telling us what to do all the time, but as soon as someone does something we don't like, we go running off to those very same people expecting them to sort it out.
We don't have neighbourhoods any more either. We have collections of houses where people don't speak to each other. If everyone were more neighbourly a) people would be more cautious about ruining the neighbourhood and b) more people would be willing to speak up against the bad eggs because they know they could count on the support of the majority.BCDR99

umpcah wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup !

Its often much longer than one hour!

My mate waited for two hours recently but it`s usually it`s about an hour. Wonder what the record is ?

I was in and out in under 10 minutes the other day. #checkthewebcam

[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Oldswindonian[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup ![/p][/quote]Its often much longer than one hour![/p][/quote]My mate waited for two hours recently but it`s usually it`s about an hour. Wonder what the record is ?[/p][/quote]I was in and out in under 10 minutes the other day. #checkthewebcamThe Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
If you have a garden, you do not expect the taxpayers to buy you plants and seeds, so why should the taxpayers pay to come and collect your waste?
This is an individual choice, you create garden waste so you get to pay a very small fee to get it cleared, there is nothing unfair about it.

I actually agree with you.

I have no need for a green bin for my own waste as I compost it, but it is too small to cope with larger or less compostable green waste. For the last 15 years I've been doing the council's job for them, keeping the public area near me clean and tidy, the grass cut, rubbish cleared and hedges clipped back.

With the green waste no longer being collected I will no longer be doing this and will simply keep reporting the untidiness to streetsmart, as many times as is necessary. I enjoy seeing a nice tidy area but I simply refuse to pay twice for a service that I do not actually require unless I'm doing the council's job for them.

Just another way this stupid idea has backfired on the council.

[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote:
If you have a garden, you do not expect the taxpayers to buy you plants and seeds, so why should the taxpayers pay to come and collect your waste?
This is an individual choice, you create garden waste so you get to pay a very small fee to get it cleared, there is nothing unfair about it.[/p][/quote]I actually agree with you.
I have no need for a green bin for my own waste as I compost it, but it is too small to cope with larger or less compostable green waste. For the last 15 years I've been doing the council's job for them, keeping the public area near me clean and tidy, the grass cut, rubbish cleared and hedges clipped back.
With the green waste no longer being collected I will no longer be doing this and will simply keep reporting the untidiness to streetsmart, as many times as is necessary. I enjoy seeing a nice tidy area but I simply refuse to pay twice for a service that I do not actually require unless I'm doing the council's job for them.
Just another way this stupid idea has backfired on the council.The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man

umpcah wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup !

If they can be bothered to check the webcams and go when its quiet they hardly have to wait at all. A sad fact of life that so many are just lazy and ignorant. Not sure you can blame the Council for the failings in society really.

[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup ![/p][/quote]If they can be bothered to check the webcams and go when its quiet they hardly have to wait at all. A sad fact of life that so many are just lazy and ignorant. Not sure you can blame the Council for the failings in society really.house on the hill

umpcah wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup !

If they can be bothered to check the webcams and go when its quiet they hardly have to wait at all. A sad fact of life that so many are just lazy and ignorant. Not sure you can blame the Council for the failings in society really.

Saturday, at about 7pm, there were precisely 3 cars at the tip dropping off waste.....

[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup ![/p][/quote]If they can be bothered to check the webcams and go when its quiet they hardly have to wait at all. A sad fact of life that so many are just lazy and ignorant. Not sure you can blame the Council for the failings in society really.[/p][/quote]Saturday, at about 7pm, there were precisely 3 cars at the tip dropping off waste.....The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
If you have a garden, you do not expect the taxpayers to buy you plants and seeds, so why should the taxpayers pay to come and collect your waste?
This is an individual choice, you create garden waste so you get to pay a very small fee to get it cleared, there is nothing unfair about it.

That's not how a modern society works, paying for only what you use would be trouble for everyone who isn't a millionaire.
As an example, there is no way I could afford to pay for a modern military force.

[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote:
If you have a garden, you do not expect the taxpayers to buy you plants and seeds, so why should the taxpayers pay to come and collect your waste?
This is an individual choice, you create garden waste so you get to pay a very small fee to get it cleared, there is nothing unfair about it.[/p][/quote]That's not how a modern society works, paying for only what you use would be trouble for everyone who isn't a millionaire.
As an example, there is no way I could afford to pay for a modern military force.nobody

umpcah wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup !

If they can be bothered to check the webcams and go when its quiet they hardly have to wait at all. A sad fact of life that so many are just lazy and ignorant. Not sure you can blame the Council for the failings in society really.

Saturday, at about 7pm, there were precisely 3 cars at the tip dropping off waste.....

Everyone else was flytipping ! Seriously there are bound to be peaks and troughs but how many gardeners want to go to the tip on a Saturday evening ?

[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup ![/p][/quote]If they can be bothered to check the webcams and go when its quiet they hardly have to wait at all. A sad fact of life that so many are just lazy and ignorant. Not sure you can blame the Council for the failings in society really.[/p][/quote]Saturday, at about 7pm, there were precisely 3 cars at the tip dropping off waste.....[/p][/quote]Everyone else was flytipping ! Seriously there are bound to be peaks and troughs but how many gardeners want to go to the tip on a Saturday evening ?umpcah

umpcah wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup !

If they can be bothered to check the webcams and go when its quiet they hardly have to wait at all. A sad fact of life that so many are just lazy and ignorant. Not sure you can blame the Council for the failings in society really.

Whilst that has an element of truth to it, surely if there are long queues at peak times, then the centre is not fit for purpose? Peak times happen not entirely because people are lazy and ignorant, simply because that's the best time for them to do something. If someone is clearing out their garden at the weekend because they work Monday-Friday and they finish the job at 2pm on a Sunday, they're not going to leave a pile of rubbish lying around until 7:45 on Wednesday when the tip is not very busy are they? They'll have been at work all day and then will have to have a meal, get changed and then get to the tip.
A 30 minute queue at peak times would not be entirely unreasonable, but 2 hours is ridiculous - the tip is not big enough and not efficient enough. It doesn't help that most of the people that work there don't really help people get through there quicker.

[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup ![/p][/quote]If they can be bothered to check the webcams and go when its quiet they hardly have to wait at all. A sad fact of life that so many are just lazy and ignorant. Not sure you can blame the Council for the failings in society really.[/p][/quote]Whilst that has an element of truth to it, surely if there are long queues at peak times, then the centre is not fit for purpose? Peak times happen not entirely because people are lazy and ignorant, simply because that's the best time for them to do something. If someone is clearing out their garden at the weekend because they work Monday-Friday and they finish the job at 2pm on a Sunday, they're not going to leave a pile of rubbish lying around until 7:45 on Wednesday when the tip is not very busy are they? They'll have been at work all day and then will have to have a meal, get changed and then get to the tip.
A 30 minute queue at peak times would not be entirely unreasonable, but 2 hours is ridiculous - the tip is not big enough and not efficient enough. It doesn't help that most of the people that work there don't really help people get through there quicker.BCDR99

umpcah wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup !

If they can be bothered to check the webcams and go when its quiet they hardly have to wait at all. A sad fact of life that so many are just lazy and ignorant. Not sure you can blame the Council for the failings in society really.

Saturday, at about 7pm, there were precisely 3 cars at the tip dropping off waste.....

Everyone else was flytipping ! Seriously there are bound to be peaks and troughs but how many gardeners want to go to the tip on a Saturday evening ?

Well me for one, if it means avoiding the queues. :)

[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup ![/p][/quote]If they can be bothered to check the webcams and go when its quiet they hardly have to wait at all. A sad fact of life that so many are just lazy and ignorant. Not sure you can blame the Council for the failings in society really.[/p][/quote]Saturday, at about 7pm, there were precisely 3 cars at the tip dropping off waste.....[/p][/quote]Everyone else was flytipping ! Seriously there are bound to be peaks and troughs but how many gardeners want to go to the tip on a Saturday evening ?[/p][/quote]Well me for one, if it means avoiding the queues. :)The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man

umpcah wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup !

If they can be bothered to check the webcams and go when its quiet they hardly have to wait at all. A sad fact of life that so many are just lazy and ignorant. Not sure you can blame the Council for the failings in society really.

Whilst that has an element of truth to it, surely if there are long queues at peak times, then the centre is not fit for purpose? Peak times happen not entirely because people are lazy and ignorant, simply because that's the best time for them to do something. If someone is clearing out their garden at the weekend because they work Monday-Friday and they finish the job at 2pm on a Sunday, they're not going to leave a pile of rubbish lying around until 7:45 on Wednesday when the tip is not very busy are they? They'll have been at work all day and then will have to have a meal, get changed and then get to the tip.
A 30 minute queue at peak times would not be entirely unreasonable, but 2 hours is ridiculous - the tip is not big enough and not efficient enough. It doesn't help that most of the people that work there don't really help people get through there quicker.

But they don't need to wait until 7:45 on Wednesday - they could take it down there at 6pm on the Sunday - it was equally quiet then!

[quote][p][bold]BCDR99[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup ![/p][/quote]If they can be bothered to check the webcams and go when its quiet they hardly have to wait at all. A sad fact of life that so many are just lazy and ignorant. Not sure you can blame the Council for the failings in society really.[/p][/quote]Whilst that has an element of truth to it, surely if there are long queues at peak times, then the centre is not fit for purpose? Peak times happen not entirely because people are lazy and ignorant, simply because that's the best time for them to do something. If someone is clearing out their garden at the weekend because they work Monday-Friday and they finish the job at 2pm on a Sunday, they're not going to leave a pile of rubbish lying around until 7:45 on Wednesday when the tip is not very busy are they? They'll have been at work all day and then will have to have a meal, get changed and then get to the tip.
A 30 minute queue at peak times would not be entirely unreasonable, but 2 hours is ridiculous - the tip is not big enough and not efficient enough. It doesn't help that most of the people that work there don't really help people get through there quicker.[/p][/quote]But they don't need to wait until 7:45 on Wednesday - they could take it down there at 6pm on the Sunday - it was equally quiet then!The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
If you have a garden, you do not expect the taxpayers to buy you plants and seeds, so why should the taxpayers pay to come and collect your waste?
This is an individual choice, you create garden waste so you get to pay a very small fee to get it cleared, there is nothing unfair about it.

That's not how a modern society works, paying for only what you use would be trouble for everyone who isn't a millionaire.
As an example, there is no way I could afford to pay for a modern military force.

After a decades of overspending, stock crashes and the longest recession in living memory, haven't you learn anything?
Modern Society is and must be about spending restraint, and yes we should only pay for what we use: roads, NHS, education, council services etc...
As for the Army, we do not need one, we are an Island!

[quote][p][bold]nobody[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote:
If you have a garden, you do not expect the taxpayers to buy you plants and seeds, so why should the taxpayers pay to come and collect your waste?
This is an individual choice, you create garden waste so you get to pay a very small fee to get it cleared, there is nothing unfair about it.[/p][/quote]That's not how a modern society works, paying for only what you use would be trouble for everyone who isn't a millionaire.
As an example, there is no way I could afford to pay for a modern military force.[/p][/quote]After a decades of overspending, stock crashes and the longest recession in living memory, haven't you learn anything?
Modern Society is and must be about spending restraint, and yes we should only pay for what we use: roads, NHS, education, council services etc...
As for the Army, we do not need one, we are an Island!A.Baron-Cohen

No excuse for fly tipping, but the wheelie bin service appears to be in disarray. Ordered ours on 3rd June and told up to 10 (working days). Still no sign of it despite two emails to the council and missed the collection on Tuesday this week.

How long does it take to load a green bin on the back of a flatbed and drop it round to a *customer* who has paid the fee for a service.

Hopefully the council will amend the anniversary date of the subscription to reflect their incompetence (though I bet they don't).

No excuse for fly tipping, but the wheelie bin service appears to be in disarray. Ordered ours on 3rd June and told up to 10 (working days). Still no sign of it despite two emails to the council and missed the collection on Tuesday this week.
How long does it take to load a green bin on the back of a flatbed and drop it round to a *customer* who has paid the fee for a service.
Hopefully the council will amend the anniversary date of the subscription to reflect their incompetence (though I bet they don't).NorthernWarrior

Useless bloody council! So what excuse can they offer for my wheelie bin waste not being collected yesterday on its scheduled collection day? Yet another failure to provide a service I am supposedly paying for - ironically the day after my new council tax bill popped through the door! Idiots all.

Useless bloody council! So what excuse can they offer for my wheelie bin waste not being collected yesterday on its scheduled collection day? Yet another failure to provide a service I am supposedly paying for - ironically the day after my new council tax bill popped through the door! Idiots all.Eppster

umpcah wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup !

If they can be bothered to check the webcams and go when its quiet they hardly have to wait at all. A sad fact of life that so many are just lazy and ignorant. Not sure you can blame the Council for the failings in society really.

Saturday, at about 7pm, there were precisely 3 cars at the tip dropping off waste.....

Everyone else was flytipping ! Seriously there are bound to be peaks and troughs but how many gardeners want to go to the tip on a Saturday evening ?

Well me for one, if it means avoiding the queues. :)

So is the issue convenience? or the 72p per week?
Yes councils alter pricing and charges as a town we voted for them.

I live and work in Swindon my little garden only creates a small amount of waste which to be fair I am more than happy to take to the tip its a public service so I understand it is not there solely for my convenience and I may need to allow for other people.
My family home is another matter and take quite allot of looking after. I compost virtually all of it and the larger pieces need to go into the fire pit or we make things with the kids.
Like everyone else I dont want to pay the council any more money they fail at what they do already why give more opportunities to fail harder?

To say only some should pay towards the green costs is a little silly by this thinking those with no children should pay less tax etc....

[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup ![/p][/quote]If they can be bothered to check the webcams and go when its quiet they hardly have to wait at all. A sad fact of life that so many are just lazy and ignorant. Not sure you can blame the Council for the failings in society really.[/p][/quote]Saturday, at about 7pm, there were precisely 3 cars at the tip dropping off waste.....[/p][/quote]Everyone else was flytipping ! Seriously there are bound to be peaks and troughs but how many gardeners want to go to the tip on a Saturday evening ?[/p][/quote]Well me for one, if it means avoiding the queues. :)[/p][/quote]So is the issue convenience? or the 72p per week?
Yes councils alter pricing and charges as a town we voted for them.
I live and work in Swindon my little garden only creates a small amount of waste which to be fair I am more than happy to take to the tip its a public service so I understand it is not there solely for my convenience and I may need to allow for other people.
My family home is another matter and take quite allot of looking after. I compost virtually all of it and the larger pieces need to go into the fire pit or we make things with the kids.
Like everyone else I dont want to pay the council any more money they fail at what they do already why give more opportunities to fail harder?
To say only some should pay towards the green costs is a little silly by this thinking those with no children should pay less tax etc....Badgersgetabadname

1. Look on ebay online to buy an Large Garden Fire Bin 90L it will help with keeping costs down. It costs around £20 and you can use year after year.

2. Look or ask in your stores they may have a Fire bins.
MBROS store in Gorse Hill has them.

I hope this helps!

when the twa$t behind me starts a bonfire I allways call the fire brigade.

This is a smoke free zone, but then no one cares about the air we breath.

No wonder we are all dying of cancer, pity some councilors arent.

You make a comment about clean air and then your main point seems to be one of motoring costs?
Are you angry about green charges? You just dump yours in landfill? Does all your "rubbish" go in the blue bag? Plastics and all?

[quote][p][bold]anotherimigrant[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]miss dogface305[/bold] wrote:
ADVISE
what to do with your green waste.
1. Look on ebay online to buy an Large Garden Fire Bin 90L it will help with keeping costs down. It costs around £20 and you can use year after year.
2. Look or ask in your stores they may have a Fire bins.
MBROS store in Gorse Hill has them.
I hope this helps![/p][/quote]when the twa$t behind me starts a bonfire I allways call the fire brigade.
This is a smoke free zone, but then no one cares about the air we breath.
No wonder we are all dying of cancer, pity some councilors arent.[/p][/quote]You make a comment about clean air and then your main point seems to be one of motoring costs?
Are you angry about green charges? You just dump yours in landfill? Does all your "rubbish" go in the blue bag? Plastics and all?Badgersgetabadname

umpcah wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup !

If they can be bothered to check the webcams and go when its quiet they hardly have to wait at all. A sad fact of life that so many are just lazy and ignorant. Not sure you can blame the Council for the failings in society really.

Whilst that has an element of truth to it, surely if there are long queues at peak times, then the centre is not fit for purpose? Peak times happen not entirely because people are lazy and ignorant, simply because that's the best time for them to do something. If someone is clearing out their garden at the weekend because they work Monday-Friday and they finish the job at 2pm on a Sunday, they're not going to leave a pile of rubbish lying around until 7:45 on Wednesday when the tip is not very busy are they? They'll have been at work all day and then will have to have a meal, get changed and then get to the tip.
A 30 minute queue at peak times would not be entirely unreasonable, but 2 hours is ridiculous - the tip is not big enough and not efficient enough. It doesn't help that most of the people that work there don't really help people get through there quicker.

But they don't need to wait until 7:45 on Wednesday - they could take it down there at 6pm on the Sunday - it was equally quiet then!

Obviously, otherwise 7-45 on a Wednesday would now be the new peak time. I think you can see my point, you're just on the wind up now.

But, I'll humour you anyway - if they wait until 6pm they will probably have had a shower, got changed and be sitting down to a family meal. I.e. it isn't convenient. The point that there are 2 hour queues for significant periods and then other periods where the place is empty suggests that it is not entirely fit for purpose.
I do think, sadly, that there is a lot of stuff that is put in to the tip that easily has a life left in it, it's just that the current owners have had enough of it. Maybe we're just too wasteful as a nation?

How often do you go to the tip? Or do you just sit at home watching the webcam? Or do you work at the tip? You seem to know the ins and outs of its workings in a lot of detail.

[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BCDR99[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup ![/p][/quote]If they can be bothered to check the webcams and go when its quiet they hardly have to wait at all. A sad fact of life that so many are just lazy and ignorant. Not sure you can blame the Council for the failings in society really.[/p][/quote]Whilst that has an element of truth to it, surely if there are long queues at peak times, then the centre is not fit for purpose? Peak times happen not entirely because people are lazy and ignorant, simply because that's the best time for them to do something. If someone is clearing out their garden at the weekend because they work Monday-Friday and they finish the job at 2pm on a Sunday, they're not going to leave a pile of rubbish lying around until 7:45 on Wednesday when the tip is not very busy are they? They'll have been at work all day and then will have to have a meal, get changed and then get to the tip.
A 30 minute queue at peak times would not be entirely unreasonable, but 2 hours is ridiculous - the tip is not big enough and not efficient enough. It doesn't help that most of the people that work there don't really help people get through there quicker.[/p][/quote]But they don't need to wait until 7:45 on Wednesday - they could take it down there at 6pm on the Sunday - it was equally quiet then![/p][/quote]Obviously, otherwise 7-45 on a Wednesday would now be the new peak time. I think you can see my point, you're just on the wind up now.
But, I'll humour you anyway - if they wait until 6pm they will probably have had a shower, got changed and be sitting down to a family meal. I.e. it isn't convenient. The point that there are 2 hour queues for significant periods and then other periods where the place is empty suggests that it is not entirely fit for purpose.
I do think, sadly, that there is a lot of stuff that is put in to the tip that easily has a life left in it, it's just that the current owners have had enough of it. Maybe we're just too wasteful as a nation?
How often do you go to the tip? Or do you just sit at home watching the webcam? Or do you work at the tip? You seem to know the ins and outs of its workings in a lot of detail.BCDR99

anotherimigrant wrote:
I allways put mine out in the the blue bags and the bin men takes them away, our bin men are great they,ll throw a setee in the back for a fiver.

Better than queing up at the smelly old tip.

Every resident in the Broad Green, Manchester Rd area just put,s the rubish in the allyway. It gets cleared eventually.

Make it hard to recycle it gets dumped. Whats hard about that to understand.

I agree the regular bin men are great and do a good job surely someone must have already noticed how their load has increased while the guys in smart new vans drive around to empt one green bin here and there could be an idea to let us pay a one off 40 pounds for surplus green bins and give us back the so called free collections ??this should be ok with those who have already paid .

[quote][p][bold]anotherimigrant[/bold] wrote:
I allways put mine out in the the blue bags and the bin men takes them away, our bin men are great they,ll throw a setee in the back for a fiver.
Better than queing up at the smelly old tip.
Every resident in the Broad Green, Manchester Rd area just put,s the rubish in the allyway. It gets cleared eventually.
Make it hard to recycle it gets dumped. Whats hard about that to understand.[/p][/quote]I agree the regular bin men are great and do a good job surely someone must have already noticed how their load has increased while the guys in smart new vans drive around to empt one green bin here and there could be an idea to let us pay a one off 40 pounds for surplus green bins and give us back the so called free collections ??this should be ok with those who have already paid .fuzzey

Crapulous wrote:
I was unlucky enough to have 7 green waste bags dumped on the green verge outside my house by a scumbag neighbour. After a protracted argument with the council, it was actually removed. If it happens again, I shall simply dump it in the doorway of Watt Tyler House, and I urge everyone else to do the same.

Why not have that argument with you scumbag neighbour? Some people.

[quote][p][bold]Crapulous[/bold] wrote:
I was unlucky enough to have 7 green waste bags dumped on the green verge outside my house by a scumbag neighbour. After a protracted argument with the council, it was actually removed. If it happens again, I shall simply dump it in the doorway of Watt Tyler House, and I urge everyone else to do the same.[/p][/quote]Why not have that argument with you scumbag neighbour? Some people.South Stand

umpcah wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup !

If they can be bothered to check the webcams and go when its quiet they hardly have to wait at all. A sad fact of life that so many are just lazy and ignorant. Not sure you can blame the Council for the failings in society really.

Saturday, at about 7pm, there were precisely 3 cars at the tip dropping off waste.....

Everyone else was flytipping ! Seriously there are bound to be peaks and troughs but how many gardeners want to go to the tip on a Saturday evening ?

Why not? Probably because they're too lazy. Too many people on here are totally incapable of thinking or doing for themselves. This is why the 'nanny state', has grown and grown. Some things you have to do yourselves.
They moan about having to do something for themselves and they moan if the council tax goes up.

[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup ![/p][/quote]If they can be bothered to check the webcams and go when its quiet they hardly have to wait at all. A sad fact of life that so many are just lazy and ignorant. Not sure you can blame the Council for the failings in society really.[/p][/quote]Saturday, at about 7pm, there were precisely 3 cars at the tip dropping off waste.....[/p][/quote]Everyone else was flytipping ! Seriously there are bound to be peaks and troughs but how many gardeners want to go to the tip on a Saturday evening ?[/p][/quote]Why not? Probably because they're too lazy. Too many people on here are totally incapable of thinking or doing for themselves. This is why the 'nanny state', has grown and grown. Some things you have to do yourselves.
They moan about having to do something for themselves and they moan if the council tax goes up.South Stand

I love the fact that some council employees go around finding these piles of dumped green bags and then leave them with a yellow sticker with a cheery message that they will no longer be collected, some piles with more than one yellow sticker in different stages of decay, despite seeing and labeling each pile they are then left in situ to carry on rotting.
Whether you have a green bin or not, this really was an ill thought out project, from the amount of green bins ordered by the council (which is still costing each and every one of us) to the missed and failed bin emptying dates.

I love the fact that some council employees go around finding these piles of dumped green bags and then leave them with a yellow sticker with a cheery message that they will no longer be collected, some piles with more than one yellow sticker in different stages of decay, despite seeing and labeling each pile they are then left in situ to carry on rotting.
Whether you have a green bin or not, this really was an ill thought out project, from the amount of green bins ordered by the council (which is still costing each and every one of us) to the missed and failed bin emptying dates.Oik1

My advise would be is to always let your neighbours know in advance if this causes disputes.

Best time is in the evening.

Regarding pollution we are all around it every day.

stink my house out and you,ll meet an angry person, soon.

Bonfires are a nuisance, unless you live in broad st, which is far away from me, or penhill.

Complain about a neighbour’s bonfire

Your council can issue an ‘abatement notice’ if a neighbour’s bonfire is causing a nuisance. A bonfire must happen frequently to be considered a nuisance.

Your neighbour can be fined up to £5,000 if they don’t stick to the notice.

This is great it,s caused more comments than when ruddy blur allowed his mates to rob us all.

[quote][p][bold]miss dogface305[/bold] wrote:
There are no laws against having a bonfire.
My advise would be is to always let your neighbours know in advance if this causes disputes.
Best time is in the evening.
Regarding pollution we are all around it every day.[/p][/quote]stink my house out and you,ll meet an angry person, soon.
Bonfires are a nuisance, unless you live in broad st, which is far away from me, or penhill.
Complain about a neighbour’s bonfire
Your council can issue an ‘abatement notice’ if a neighbour’s bonfire is causing a nuisance. A bonfire must happen frequently to be considered a nuisance.
Your neighbour can be fined up to £5,000 if they don’t stick to the notice.
This is great it,s caused more comments than when ruddy blur allowed his mates to rob us all.anotherimigrant

If people are happy to dump waste in their own environment, then so be it.

It just goes to prove it is pointless trying to keep certain areas of this town free from rubbish and litter.

The council are right to leave it where the locals dump it, if they remove it then more will appear.

If South Stand knows who his neighbour is, then my advice would be to dump it back outside his house not Watt Tyler, or is he only interested in blaming the council.

If people are happy to dump waste in their own environment, then so be it.
It just goes to prove it is pointless trying to keep certain areas of this town free from rubbish and litter.
The council are right to leave it where the locals dump it, if they remove it then more will appear.
If South Stand knows who his neighbour is, then my advice would be to dump it back outside his house not Watt Tyler, or is he only interested in blaming the council.trolley dolley

1. Look on ebay online to buy an Large Garden Fire Bin 90L it will help with keeping costs down. It costs around £20 and you can use year after year.

2. Look or ask in your stores they may have a Fire bins.
MBROS store in Gorse Hill has them.

I hope this helps!

when the twa$t behind me starts a bonfire I allways call the fire brigade.

This is a smoke free zone, but then no one cares about the air we breath.

No wonder we are all dying of cancer, pity some councilors arent.

You make a comment about clean air and then your main point seems to be one of motoring costs?
Are you angry about green charges? You just dump yours in landfill? Does all your &quot;rubbish" go in the blue bag? Plastics and all?

YES.

[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]anotherimigrant[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]miss dogface305[/bold] wrote:
ADVISE
what to do with your green waste.
1. Look on ebay online to buy an Large Garden Fire Bin 90L it will help with keeping costs down. It costs around £20 and you can use year after year.
2. Look or ask in your stores they may have a Fire bins.
MBROS store in Gorse Hill has them.
I hope this helps![/p][/quote]when the twa$t behind me starts a bonfire I allways call the fire brigade.
This is a smoke free zone, but then no one cares about the air we breath.
No wonder we are all dying of cancer, pity some councilors arent.[/p][/quote]You make a comment about clean air and then your main point seems to be one of motoring costs?
Are you angry about green charges? You just dump yours in landfill? Does all your "rubbish" go in the blue bag? Plastics and all?[/p][/quote]YES.anotherimigrant

umpcah wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup !

If they can be bothered to check the webcams and go when its quiet they hardly have to wait at all. A sad fact of life that so many are just lazy and ignorant. Not sure you can blame the Council for the failings in society really.

Whilst that has an element of truth to it, surely if there are long queues at peak times, then the centre is not fit for purpose? Peak times happen not entirely because people are lazy and ignorant, simply because that's the best time for them to do something. If someone is clearing out their garden at the weekend because they work Monday-Friday and they finish the job at 2pm on a Sunday, they're not going to leave a pile of rubbish lying around until 7:45 on Wednesday when the tip is not very busy are they? They'll have been at work all day and then will have to have a meal, get changed and then get to the tip.
A 30 minute queue at peak times would not be entirely unreasonable, but 2 hours is ridiculous - the tip is not big enough and not efficient enough. It doesn't help that most of the people that work there don't really help people get through there quicker.

But they don't need to wait until 7:45 on Wednesday - they could take it down there at 6pm on the Sunday - it was equally quiet then!

Obviously, otherwise 7-45 on a Wednesday would now be the new peak time. I think you can see my point, you're just on the wind up now.

But, I'll humour you anyway - if they wait until 6pm they will probably have had a shower, got changed and be sitting down to a family meal. I.e. it isn't convenient. The point that there are 2 hour queues for significant periods and then other periods where the place is empty suggests that it is not entirely fit for purpose.
I do think, sadly, that there is a lot of stuff that is put in to the tip that easily has a life left in it, it's just that the current owners have had enough of it. Maybe we're just too wasteful as a nation?

How often do you go to the tip? Or do you just sit at home watching the webcam? Or do you work at the tip? You seem to know the ins and outs of its workings in a lot of detail.

Is there ever a convenient time to go to the tip? No, not on the wind up, I just don't see what the issue is. Any service will have peaks and troughs of demand, if some people are silly enough to go at peak times when demand is high then there will always be queues at those times. I certainly don't think the council should spend vast amounts of our money as would be inevitable to reduce the queues at times of peak demand.

How often do I go to the tip? - maybe twice a year so I guess I've had my quota for this year. No, I don't sit down watching the webcam, although I did check it twice this last weekend when I had two separate loads of stuff to go down there following a garage clear out.

[quote][p][bold]BCDR99[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BCDR99[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup ![/p][/quote]If they can be bothered to check the webcams and go when its quiet they hardly have to wait at all. A sad fact of life that so many are just lazy and ignorant. Not sure you can blame the Council for the failings in society really.[/p][/quote]Whilst that has an element of truth to it, surely if there are long queues at peak times, then the centre is not fit for purpose? Peak times happen not entirely because people are lazy and ignorant, simply because that's the best time for them to do something. If someone is clearing out their garden at the weekend because they work Monday-Friday and they finish the job at 2pm on a Sunday, they're not going to leave a pile of rubbish lying around until 7:45 on Wednesday when the tip is not very busy are they? They'll have been at work all day and then will have to have a meal, get changed and then get to the tip.
A 30 minute queue at peak times would not be entirely unreasonable, but 2 hours is ridiculous - the tip is not big enough and not efficient enough. It doesn't help that most of the people that work there don't really help people get through there quicker.[/p][/quote]But they don't need to wait until 7:45 on Wednesday - they could take it down there at 6pm on the Sunday - it was equally quiet then![/p][/quote]Obviously, otherwise 7-45 on a Wednesday would now be the new peak time. I think you can see my point, you're just on the wind up now.
But, I'll humour you anyway - if they wait until 6pm they will probably have had a shower, got changed and be sitting down to a family meal. I.e. it isn't convenient. The point that there are 2 hour queues for significant periods and then other periods where the place is empty suggests that it is not entirely fit for purpose.
I do think, sadly, that there is a lot of stuff that is put in to the tip that easily has a life left in it, it's just that the current owners have had enough of it. Maybe we're just too wasteful as a nation?
How often do you go to the tip? Or do you just sit at home watching the webcam? Or do you work at the tip? You seem to know the ins and outs of its workings in a lot of detail.[/p][/quote]Is there ever a convenient time to go to the tip? No, not on the wind up, I just don't see what the issue is. Any service will have peaks and troughs of demand, if some people are silly enough to go at peak times when demand is high then there will always be queues at those times. I certainly don't think the council should spend vast amounts of our money as would be inevitable to reduce the queues at times of peak demand.
How often do I go to the tip? - maybe twice a year so I guess I've had my quota for this year. No, I don't sit down watching the webcam, although I did check it twice this last weekend when I had two separate loads of stuff to go down there following a garage clear out.The Artist formally known as Grumpy Old Man

I had to buy a green wheelie bin as we have indoor guinea pigs and after talking with the council about what to do with the waste we were told it's biodegradable and it can go into green waste. So every collection they take away my green bin full of straw and paper !
PS. Everyone was posting on here, that they would just ditch it in the street, when the £40 charge was first proposed.

I had to buy a green wheelie bin as we have indoor guinea pigs and after talking with the council about what to do with the waste we were told it's biodegradable and it can go into green waste. So every collection they take away my green bin full of straw and paper !
PS. Everyone was posting on here, that they would just ditch it in the street, when the £40 charge was first proposed.Shnookums

As usual at the civic offices,
Egos are bigger than common sense,
Egos are bigger than community spirit,
And politics (and egos) are more important than striving to make Swindon a nicer place to live 👎-78

As usual at the civic offices,
Egos are bigger than common sense,
Egos are bigger than community spirit,
And politics (and egos) are more important than striving to make Swindon a nicer place to live 👎-78Ollie Dognacky

Now that we are on "summer hours" at the tip it is not to bad as you can get a run in after work on a week day (if you work office hours) but during the "winter hour" working when they close at 16:30 every day the weekends will be chaos..

Now that we are on "summer hours" at the tip it is not to bad as you can get a run in after work on a week day (if you work office hours) but during the "winter hour" working when they close at 16:30 every day the weekends will be chaos..swindondad

Ollie Dognacky wrote:
As usual at the civic offices,
Egos are bigger than common sense,
Egos are bigger than community spirit,
And politics (and egos) are more important than striving to make Swindon a nicer place to live 👎-78

The fools didnt like that up them.

[quote][p][bold]Ollie Dognacky[/bold] wrote:
As usual at the civic offices,
Egos are bigger than common sense,
Egos are bigger than community spirit,
And politics (and egos) are more important than striving to make Swindon a nicer place to live 👎-78[/p][/quote]The fools didnt like that up them.anotherimigrant

Ollie Dognacky wrote:
As usual at the civic offices,
Egos are bigger than common sense,
Egos are bigger than community spirit,
And politics (and egos) are more important than striving to make Swindon a nicer place to live 👎-78

The fools didnt like that up them.

MINUS 78 thats got to be a record.

Every idiot in the council palace must have given you the thumbs down.

hahahahahahah

[quote][p][bold]anotherimigrant[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Ollie Dognacky[/bold] wrote:
As usual at the civic offices,
Egos are bigger than common sense,
Egos are bigger than community spirit,
And politics (and egos) are more important than striving to make Swindon a nicer place to live 👎-78[/p][/quote]The fools didnt like that up them.[/p][/quote]MINUS 78 thats got to be a record.
Every idiot in the council palace must have given you the thumbs down.
hahahahahahahanotherimigrant

lanmarion wrote:
cost... 40.00 divided by 52...approx 0.76 a week
Not forgetting Swindon is now a conserverative town.
Maybe the unfornate few that are flytipping voted with their feet rather than their head.

Or they looked at the bigger picture rather than just one quite small issue?

[quote][p][bold]lanmarion[/bold] wrote:
cost... 40.00 divided by 52...approx 0.76 a week
Not forgetting Swindon is now a conserverative town.
Maybe the unfornate few that are flytipping voted with their feet rather than their head.[/p][/quote]Or they looked at the bigger picture rather than just one quite small issue?house on the hill

anotherimigrant wrote:
Motorists were urged yesterday to go to war on councils who use parking fees as a massive moneyspinner.

The call came as it was revealed that town halls have boosted their annual profit from such charges to more than £500million, up by 10 per cent in a year. Motoring groups said residents should unleash ‘a flood of letters’ to councils in a campaign to have the legality of the fees tested in court.

Only a few days ago judges ruled that it is illegal for local authorities to use parking charges simply to raise revenue, rather than for genuine traffic management.

Maybe the problem lies with the moronic minority who don't feel the laws apply to them and just park where they like. Parking and speeding fines are completely avoidable so the only ones to blame are the idiots who feel they are above the law, no sympathy sorry!

[quote][p][bold]anotherimigrant[/bold] wrote:
Motorists were urged yesterday to go to war on councils who use parking fees as a massive moneyspinner.
The call came as it was revealed that town halls have boosted their annual profit from such charges to more than £500million, up by 10 per cent in a year. Motoring groups said residents should unleash ‘a flood of letters’ to councils in a campaign to have the legality of the fees tested in court.
Only a few days ago judges ruled that it is illegal for local authorities to use parking charges simply to raise revenue, rather than for genuine traffic management.[/p][/quote]Maybe the problem lies with the moronic minority who don't feel the laws apply to them and just park where they like. Parking and speeding fines are completely avoidable so the only ones to blame are the idiots who feel they are above the law, no sympathy sorry!house on the hill

anotherimigrant wrote:
Motorists were urged yesterday to go to war on councils who use parking fees as a massive moneyspinner.

The call came as it was revealed that town halls have boosted their annual profit from such charges to more than £500million, up by 10 per cent in a year. Motoring groups said residents should unleash ‘a flood of letters’ to councils in a campaign to have the legality of the fees tested in court.

Only a few days ago judges ruled that it is illegal for local authorities to use parking charges simply to raise revenue, rather than for genuine traffic management.

Maybe the problem lies with the moronic minority who don't feel the laws apply to them and just park where they like. Parking and speeding fines are completely avoidable so the only ones to blame are the idiots who feel they are above the law, no sympathy sorry!

Yawn.

[quote][p][bold]house on the hill[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]anotherimigrant[/bold] wrote:
Motorists were urged yesterday to go to war on councils who use parking fees as a massive moneyspinner.
The call came as it was revealed that town halls have boosted their annual profit from such charges to more than £500million, up by 10 per cent in a year. Motoring groups said residents should unleash ‘a flood of letters’ to councils in a campaign to have the legality of the fees tested in court.
Only a few days ago judges ruled that it is illegal for local authorities to use parking charges simply to raise revenue, rather than for genuine traffic management.[/p][/quote]Maybe the problem lies with the moronic minority who don't feel the laws apply to them and just park where they like. Parking and speeding fines are completely avoidable so the only ones to blame are the idiots who feel they are above the law, no sympathy sorry![/p][/quote]Yawn.anotherimigrant

Only a few days ago judges ruled that it is illegal for local authorities to use parking charges simply to raise revenue, rather than for genuine traffic management.

There is no traffic managment in swindon.

Its a bunch of idiots who think they know whats best and think that everyone should do as they say.

They waste money left right and center and their quest for more to waste is never ending.

And the idiots were voted in. I dont really belive that,because I think it,s all a fiddle.

Only a few days ago judges ruled that it is illegal for local authorities to use parking charges simply to raise revenue, rather than for genuine traffic management.
There is no traffic managment in swindon.
Its a bunch of idiots who think they know whats best and think that everyone should do as they say.
They waste money left right and center and their quest for more to waste is never ending.
And the idiots were voted in. I dont really belive that,because I think it,s all a fiddle.anotherimigrant

umpcah wrote:
Fay Howard is all for scrapping the charges for collection of green waste. Most of us are but IF that happens one has to feel sorry for those public spirited folk who have already paid ! Why cant the council get things right first time occasionally ?

Labour are always for spending other people's money and always have been.
Funny have they've managed to spin the story to blame the council rather than the filthy inconsiderate scum dumping their cr4p in the hope that someone else will clear it up. It's not the council creating the 'poorer environment' Fay Howard is whining about, it's rsoles who don't care abut their town or their neighbours.

Spot on and as always ignored by most. Blame the cause not the effect, but of course it doesn't make such good headlines for the politicians. Irresponsible uncaring tw4ts are the problem, not the council in this case. Probably the same people who blame fast food and takeaways for them being fat or supermarkets selling cheap alcohol for their drink problems. We are fast becoming a very sad weak society with a blame and excuse culture for our own failings.

[quote][p][bold]Hmmmf[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote:
Fay Howard is all for scrapping the charges for collection of green waste. Most of us are but IF that happens one has to feel sorry for those public spirited folk who have already paid ! Why cant the council get things right first time occasionally ?[/p][/quote]Labour are always for spending other people's money and always have been.
Funny have they've managed to spin the story to blame the council rather than the filthy inconsiderate scum dumping their cr4p in the hope that someone else will clear it up. It's not the council creating the 'poorer environment' Fay Howard is whining about, it's rsoles who don't care abut their town or their neighbours.[/p][/quote]Spot on and as always ignored by most. Blame the cause not the effect, but of course it doesn't make such good headlines for the politicians. Irresponsible uncaring tw4ts are the problem, not the council in this case. Probably the same people who blame fast food and takeaways for them being fat or supermarkets selling cheap alcohol for their drink problems. We are fast becoming a very sad weak society with a blame and excuse culture for our own failings.house on the hill

The problem is that the fly-tippers will dump it somewhere away from their own house, so they get rid of the stuff but someone else has to look at it and/or clear it up themselves. They don't leave it on their own front lawn.

So the council's equivalent of rubbing a dog's nose in its own mess to teach it a lesson (another nasty idea) is doomed to failure. Many of the tippers just drive "out of tahn" and dump it in a farm gate.

The problem is that the fly-tippers will dump it somewhere away from their own house, so they get rid of the stuff but someone else has to look at it and/or clear it up themselves. They don't leave it on their own front lawn.
So the council's equivalent of rubbing a dog's nose in its own mess to teach it a lesson (another nasty idea) is doomed to failure. Many of the tippers just drive "out of tahn" and dump it in a farm gate.Blackmalkin

1. Look on ebay online to buy an Large Garden Fire Bin 90L it will help with keeping costs down. It costs around £20 and you can use year after year.

2. Look or ask in your stores they may have a Fire bins.
MBROS store in Gorse Hill has them.

I hope this helps!

when the twa$t behind me starts a bonfire I allways call the fire brigade.

This is a smoke free zone, but then no one cares about the air we breath.

No wonder we are all dying of cancer, pity some councilors arent.

You make a comment about clean air and then your main point seems to be one of motoring costs?
Are you angry about green charges? You just dump yours in landfill? Does all your &quot;rubbish" go in the blue bag? Plastics and all?

YES.

Do you see anything hypocritical in your point?

I thought this was a story about the collection of green waste?
Do you drive for a living?

You want clean air but dumping waste is fine?

[quote][p][bold]anotherimigrant[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]anotherimigrant[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]miss dogface305[/bold] wrote:
ADVISE
what to do with your green waste.
1. Look on ebay online to buy an Large Garden Fire Bin 90L it will help with keeping costs down. It costs around £20 and you can use year after year.
2. Look or ask in your stores they may have a Fire bins.
MBROS store in Gorse Hill has them.
I hope this helps![/p][/quote]when the twa$t behind me starts a bonfire I allways call the fire brigade.
This is a smoke free zone, but then no one cares about the air we breath.
No wonder we are all dying of cancer, pity some councilors arent.[/p][/quote]You make a comment about clean air and then your main point seems to be one of motoring costs?
Are you angry about green charges? You just dump yours in landfill? Does all your "rubbish" go in the blue bag? Plastics and all?[/p][/quote]YES.[/p][/quote]Do you see anything hypocritical in your point?
I thought this was a story about the collection of green waste?
Do you drive for a living?
You want clean air but dumping waste is fine?Badgersgetabadname

trolley dolley wrote:
If people are happy to dump waste in their own environment, then so be it.

It just goes to prove it is pointless trying to keep certain areas of this town free from rubbish and litter.

The council are right to leave it where the locals dump it, if they remove it then more will appear.

If South Stand knows who his neighbour is, then my advice would be to dump it back outside his house not Watt Tyler, or is he only interested in blaming the council.

Please make sure you reply to the correct people. It was not my post that complained about a neighbour, I just commented on it.
Read things more carefully please.

[quote][p][bold]trolley dolley[/bold] wrote:
If people are happy to dump waste in their own environment, then so be it.
It just goes to prove it is pointless trying to keep certain areas of this town free from rubbish and litter.
The council are right to leave it where the locals dump it, if they remove it then more will appear.
If South Stand knows who his neighbour is, then my advice would be to dump it back outside his house not Watt Tyler, or is he only interested in blaming the council.[/p][/quote]Please make sure you reply to the correct people. It was not my post that complained about a neighbour, I just commented on it.
Read things more carefully please.South Stand

So you get dumped on twice, once by this incompetent council who think nothing of giving £400000 away to a mate for non existant wifi and then bring in stealth taxes to try and fill a gap..theses idiots then have to spend more money on finding somewhere to put a new facility to take all the rubbish they cant be bothered to take and pay agencies to recruit staff to man the phones to take names and addresses of the few people that are interested in paying this stealth tax......and then some charming individual decides to dump their rubbish and this stupid council wont take it away. not good state of affairs,but all caused by this useless council.

So you get dumped on twice, once by this incompetent council who think nothing of giving £400000 away to a mate for non existant wifi and then bring in stealth taxes to try and fill a gap..theses idiots then have to spend more money on finding somewhere to put a new facility to take all the rubbish they cant be bothered to take and pay agencies to recruit staff to man the phones to take names and addresses of the few people that are interested in paying this stealth tax......and then some charming individual decides to dump their rubbish and this stupid council wont take it away. not good state of affairs,but all caused by this useless council.beach1e

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
If you have a garden, you do not expect the taxpayers to buy you plants and seeds, so why should the taxpayers pay to come and collect your waste?
This is an individual choice, you create garden waste so you get to pay a very small fee to get it cleared, there is nothing unfair about it.

A Fairer way of doing this would have been to reduce the council tax by £40 this year, and then say anyone who wants the garden waste collection has to pay £40 for it. That way there would have been no complaints. Whether that would have stopped the fly-tipping is another matter.

[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote:
If you have a garden, you do not expect the taxpayers to buy you plants and seeds, so why should the taxpayers pay to come and collect your waste?
This is an individual choice, you create garden waste so you get to pay a very small fee to get it cleared, there is nothing unfair about it.[/p][/quote]A Fairer way of doing this would have been to reduce the council tax by £40 this year, and then say anyone who wants the garden waste collection has to pay £40 for it. That way there would have been no complaints. Whether that would have stopped the fly-tipping is another matter.Davidsyrett

beach1e wrote:
So you get dumped on twice, once by this incompetent council who think nothing of giving £400000 away to a mate for non existant wifi and then bring in stealth taxes to try and fill a gap..theses idiots then have to spend more money on finding somewhere to put a new facility to take all the rubbish they cant be bothered to take and pay agencies to recruit staff to man the phones to take names and addresses of the few people that are interested in paying this stealth tax......and then some charming individual decides to dump their rubbish and this stupid council wont take it away. not good state of affairs,but all caused by this useless council.

When they fail consistently it does make you wonder why they are still there?
No matter who has been in charge SBC have been useless.

[quote][p][bold]beach1e[/bold] wrote:
So you get dumped on twice, once by this incompetent council who think nothing of giving £400000 away to a mate for non existant wifi and then bring in stealth taxes to try and fill a gap..theses idiots then have to spend more money on finding somewhere to put a new facility to take all the rubbish they cant be bothered to take and pay agencies to recruit staff to man the phones to take names and addresses of the few people that are interested in paying this stealth tax......and then some charming individual decides to dump their rubbish and this stupid council wont take it away. not good state of affairs,but all caused by this useless council.[/p][/quote]When they fail consistently it does make you wonder why they are still there?
No matter who has been in charge SBC have been useless.Badgersgetabadname

1. Look on ebay online to buy an Large Garden Fire Bin 90L it will help with keeping costs down. It costs around £20 and you can use year after year.

2. Look or ask in your stores they may have a Fire bins.
MBROS store in Gorse Hill has them.

I hope this helps!when the twa$t behind me starts a bonfire I allways call the fire brigade.

This is a smoke free zone, but then no one cares about the air we breath.

No wonder we are all dying of cancer, pity some councilors arent.You make a comment about clean air and then your main point seems to be one of motoring costs?
Are you angry about green charges? You just dump yours in landfill? Does all your "rubbishNo, No and YES

[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]anotherimigrant[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]anotherimigrant[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]miss dogface305[/bold] wrote:
ADVISE
what to do with your green waste.
1. Look on ebay online to buy an Large Garden Fire Bin 90L it will help with keeping costs down. It costs around £20 and you can use year after year.
2. Look or ask in your stores they may have a Fire bins.
MBROS store in Gorse Hill has them.
I hope this helps![/p][/quote]when the twa$t behind me starts a bonfire I allways call the fire brigade.
This is a smoke free zone, but then no one cares about the air we breath.
No wonder we are all dying of cancer, pity some councilors arent.[/p][/quote]You make a comment about clean air and then your main point seems to be one of motoring costs?
Are you angry about green charges? You just dump yours in landfill? Does all your "rubbishNo, No and YESanotherimigrant

When they fail consistently it does make you wonder why they are still there?
No matter who has been in charge SBC have been useless.

So Very true.

It,s a mind set thing, played by children.

When they fail consistently it does make you wonder why they are still there?
No matter who has been in charge SBC have been useless.
So Very true.
It,s a mind set thing, played by children.anotherimigrant

Blackmalkin wrote:
The problem is that the fly-tippers will dump it somewhere away from their own house, so they get rid of the stuff but someone else has to look at it and/or clear it up themselves. They don't leave it on their own front lawn.

So the council's equivalent of rubbing a dog's nose in its own mess to teach it a lesson (another nasty idea) is doomed to failure. Many of the tippers just drive &quot;out of tahn" and dump it in a farm gate.

Do you remember that stupid cow from cirencester who used to come down here and dump her rubish on the way to work.

Wot a Plonker Rodders.

[quote][p][bold]Blackmalkin[/bold] wrote:
The problem is that the fly-tippers will dump it somewhere away from their own house, so they get rid of the stuff but someone else has to look at it and/or clear it up themselves. They don't leave it on their own front lawn.
So the council's equivalent of rubbing a dog's nose in its own mess to teach it a lesson (another nasty idea) is doomed to failure. Many of the tippers just drive "out of tahn" and dump it in a farm gate.[/p][/quote]Do you remember that stupid cow from cirencester who used to come down here and dump her rubish on the way to work.
Wot a Plonker Rodders.anotherimigrant

Other than you are too lazy to sort out your own rubbish and recycling and you seem to really dislike the cost of driving. If driving is part of your job I imagine you knew that before you started?
I have no idea why you are discussing the cost of your driving on here.

@anotherimigrant
I have no idea what your point is.
Other than you are too lazy to sort out your own rubbish and recycling and you seem to really dislike the cost of driving. If driving is part of your job I imagine you knew that before you started?
I have no idea why you are discussing the cost of your driving on here.Badgersgetabadname

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
@anotherimigrant
I have no idea what your point is.

Other than you are too lazy to sort out your own rubbish and recycling and you seem to really dislike the cost of driving. If driving is part of your job I imagine you knew that before you started?
I have no idea why you are discussing the cost of your driving on here.

Yawn.

[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote:
@anotherimigrant
I have no idea what your point is.
Other than you are too lazy to sort out your own rubbish and recycling and you seem to really dislike the cost of driving. If driving is part of your job I imagine you knew that before you started?
I have no idea why you are discussing the cost of your driving on here.[/p][/quote]Yawn.anotherimigrant

Got to share this, as the EA has stiffeled debate on most threads due to over activity or someother bizare reason and either cant or wont report on news storys localy or nationaly.

Miroslav Balog, 32, from Shoebury, owed court £904 in outstanding fines
But magistrates offered to waive £859 if Balog spent rest of the day at court

He was allowed to wander grounds until 5pm in return for fine being waived and was even given lunch in the resturant.
Traders in Southend said it was a 'carte blanche' for him to keep offending

No, really, do you think so. He wont do it again, will he.

Coming to a town near you SOON.

WAIT TILL THE PIKEYS AND ROMAS GET HERE.

THEN YOULL KNOW ABOUT FLYTIPPING.

HAHAHAHA.

Got to share this, as the EA has stiffeled debate on most threads due to over activity or someother bizare reason and either cant or wont report on news storys localy or nationaly.
Miroslav Balog, 32, from Shoebury, owed court £904 in outstanding fines
But magistrates offered to waive £859 if Balog spent rest of the day at court
He was allowed to wander grounds until 5pm in return for fine being waived and was even given lunch in the resturant.
Traders in Southend said it was a 'carte blanche' for him to keep offending
No, really, do you think so. He wont do it again, will he.
Coming to a town near you SOON.
WAIT TILL THE PIKEYS AND ROMAS GET HERE.
THEN YOULL KNOW ABOUT FLYTIPPING.
HAHAHAHA.anotherimigrant

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
@anotherimigrant
I have no idea what your point is.

Other than you are too lazy to sort out your own rubbish and recycling and you seem to really dislike the cost of driving. If driving is part of your job I imagine you knew that before you started?
I have no idea why you are discussing the cost of your driving on here.

Yawn.

Well thanks for clearing that up.
Well done for explaining your point in a clear and adult manner.

[quote][p][bold]anotherimigrant[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote:
@anotherimigrant
I have no idea what your point is.
Other than you are too lazy to sort out your own rubbish and recycling and you seem to really dislike the cost of driving. If driving is part of your job I imagine you knew that before you started?
I have no idea why you are discussing the cost of your driving on here.[/p][/quote]Yawn.[/p][/quote]Well thanks for clearing that up.
Well done for explaining your point in a clear and adult manner.Badgersgetabadname

A WOMAN who travelled 15 miles from Cirencester to Swindon to dump her rubbish was caught out by a member of public.

The 29-year-old was found to have dumped eight bags of waste in Grafton Road, Penhill, after she left her name on items in the bags.

Atleast she did the right thing, and didnt sh*t in her own back yard.

HAHAHAHAHA.

Youve gotta laugh at the stupid cow.

But she learnt her leason, DIDNT SHE.

Swindon Magistrates’ Court heard that Brotherton had already received a conditional discharge and £20 fine from Cheltenham Magistrates’ Court for a similar offence last year.

hahahahah

£20 friggin squid, it would have cost more than that to do the paperwork for the prostitutuion.

I think the grass should be sold to the towns junkkies.

Have it analised it,s probably from Birmingham,ALABAMA.

A WOMAN who travelled 15 miles from Cirencester to Swindon to dump her rubbish was caught out by a member of public.
The 29-year-old was found to have dumped eight bags of waste in Grafton Road, Penhill, after she left her name on items in the bags.
Atleast she did the right thing, and didnt sh*t in her own back yard.
HAHAHAHAHA.
Youve gotta laugh at the stupid cow.
But she learnt her leason, DIDNT SHE.
Swindon Magistrates’ Court heard that Brotherton had already received a conditional discharge and £20 fine from Cheltenham Magistrates’ Court for a similar offence last year.
hahahahah
£20 friggin squid, it would have cost more than that to do the paperwork for the prostitutuion.
I think the grass should be sold to the towns junkkies.
Have it analised it,s probably from Birmingham,ALABAMA.anotherimigrant

Could have left it on the Hoe, or dropped it in the barbican and no one would have noticed.

Or park north, south, walcot, penhill.

[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote:
Anyone understand this?[/p][/quote]Mad init. all the way from Plymouth to dump rubbish.
Could have left it on the Hoe, or dropped it in the barbican and no one would have noticed.
Or park north, south, walcot, penhill.anotherimigrant

Could have left it on the Hoe, or dropped it in the barbican and no one would have noticed.

Or park north, south, walcot, penhill.

Ahhh your a parody sorry took me a while to get it.

[quote][p][bold]anotherimigrant[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote:
Anyone understand this?[/p][/quote]Mad init. all the way from Plymouth to dump rubbish.
Could have left it on the Hoe, or dropped it in the barbican and no one would have noticed.
Or park north, south, walcot, penhill.[/p][/quote]Ahhh your a parody sorry took me a while to get it.Badgersgetabadname

Badgersgetabadname wrote:
@anotherimigrant
I have no idea what your point is.

Other than you are too lazy to sort out your own rubbish and recycling and you seem to really dislike the cost of driving. If driving is part of your job I imagine you knew that before you started?
I have no idea why you are discussing the cost of your driving on here.

Yawn.

Well thanks for clearing that up.
Well done for explaining your point in a clear and adult manner.

To make it perfectly clear to you and any other interested party.

I don’t sort out the rubbish because it’s not my job. I pay the council to take away rubbish and that is what is in the bags outside my door when they eventually come to collect it.

ALL FOOD WASTE GOES DOWN THE SINK WASTE DISPOSAL.

and the water company welcomes it with glee as they produce methane gas which is then burnt off into the atmosphere. Their really green.

I don’t believe in global warming, in fact I personally welcome it.

It will help me decide if I’m going to drive to the south of France for my holiday or Devon.

I have no less than seven vehicles on my drive and pay tax and insurance on all of them and haven’t had to pay any fines or penalties on any off them as the drivers are really clever.

I don’t bother to burn rubbish as it,s smelly and filthy and you still end up with a load of cra$p to clear up.

Skips, that’s what’s needed.

If this council had one brain cell between the lot of them. they would provide strategically placed skips to discouraged cra%p being dropped willy nilly.

I dont have any grass or anyother drugs in my garden, except the poppies, there special, and anything from the shrubs is put in a bag and dumped in a council lorry.

I hope this discusion closes soon as some of you are really argumentative.

You must be ouncillors..

[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]anotherimigrant[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote:
@anotherimigrant
I have no idea what your point is.
Other than you are too lazy to sort out your own rubbish and recycling and you seem to really dislike the cost of driving. If driving is part of your job I imagine you knew that before you started?
I have no idea why you are discussing the cost of your driving on here.[/p][/quote]Yawn.[/p][/quote]Well thanks for clearing that up.
Well done for explaining your point in a clear and adult manner.[/p][/quote]To make it perfectly clear to you and any other interested party.
I don’t sort out the rubbish because it’s not my job. I pay the council to take away rubbish and that is what is in the bags outside my door when they eventually come to collect it.
ALL FOOD WASTE GOES DOWN THE SINK WASTE DISPOSAL.
and the water company welcomes it with glee as they produce methane gas which is then burnt off into the atmosphere. Their really green.
I don’t believe in global warming, in fact I personally welcome it.
It will help me decide if I’m going to drive to the south of France for my holiday or Devon.
I have no less than seven vehicles on my drive and pay tax and insurance on all of them and haven’t had to pay any fines or penalties on any off them as the drivers are really clever.
I don’t bother to burn rubbish as it,s smelly and filthy and you still end up with a load of cra$p to clear up.
Skips, that’s what’s needed.
If this council had one brain cell between the lot of them. they would provide strategically placed skips to discouraged cra%p being dropped willy nilly.
I dont have any grass or anyother drugs in my garden, except the poppies, there special, and anything from the shrubs is put in a bag and dumped in a council lorry.
I hope this discusion closes soon as some of you are really argumentative.
You must be ouncillors..anotherimigrant

Could have left it on the Hoe, or dropped it in the barbican and no one would have noticed.

Or park north, south, walcot, penhill.

Ahhh your a parody sorry took me a while to get it.

No sorry your thinking of Tony BLIAR, youve been reading THE iRISH TIMES again

[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]anotherimigrant[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote:
Anyone understand this?[/p][/quote]Mad init. all the way from Plymouth to dump rubbish.
Could have left it on the Hoe, or dropped it in the barbican and no one would have noticed.
Or park north, south, walcot, penhill.[/p][/quote]Ahhh your a parody sorry took me a while to get it.[/p][/quote]No sorry your thinking of Tony BLIAR, youve been reading THE iRISH TIMES againanotherimigrant

anotherimigrant wrote:
Got to share this, as the EA has stiffeled debate on most threads due to over activity or someother bizare reason and either cant or wont report on news storys localy or nationaly.

Miroslav Balog, 32, from Shoebury, owed court £904 in outstanding fines
But magistrates offered to waive £859 if Balog spent rest of the day at court

He was allowed to wander grounds until 5pm in return for fine being waived and was even given lunch in the resturant.
Traders in Southend said it was a 'carte blanche' for him to keep offending

No, really, do you think so. He wont do it again, will he.

Coming to a town near you SOON.

WAIT TILL THE PIKEYS AND ROMAS GET HERE.

THEN YOULL KNOW ABOUT FLYTIPPING.

HAHAHAHA.

May I suggest that you become an emigrant, you mis-spelt immigrant.
I think most posters on here can't understand your points of view.

[quote][p][bold]anotherimigrant[/bold] wrote:
Got to share this, as the EA has stiffeled debate on most threads due to over activity or someother bizare reason and either cant or wont report on news storys localy or nationaly.
Miroslav Balog, 32, from Shoebury, owed court £904 in outstanding fines
But magistrates offered to waive £859 if Balog spent rest of the day at court
He was allowed to wander grounds until 5pm in return for fine being waived and was even given lunch in the resturant.
Traders in Southend said it was a 'carte blanche' for him to keep offending
No, really, do you think so. He wont do it again, will he.
Coming to a town near you SOON.
WAIT TILL THE PIKEYS AND ROMAS GET HERE.
THEN YOULL KNOW ABOUT FLYTIPPING.
HAHAHAHA.[/p][/quote]May I suggest that you become an emigrant, you mis-spelt immigrant.
I think most posters on here can't understand your points of view.South Stand

Could have left it on the Hoe, or dropped it in the barbican and no one would have noticed.

Or park north, south, walcot, penhill.

Ahhh your a parody sorry took me a while to get it.

No sorry your thinking of Tony BLIAR, youve been reading THE iRISH TIMES again

anotherimigrant and Broadmoor. The perfect partnership.

[quote][p][bold]anotherimigrant[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]anotherimigrant[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote:
Anyone understand this?[/p][/quote]Mad init. all the way from Plymouth to dump rubbish.
Could have left it on the Hoe, or dropped it in the barbican and no one would have noticed.
Or park north, south, walcot, penhill.[/p][/quote]Ahhh your a parody sorry took me a while to get it.[/p][/quote]No sorry your thinking of Tony BLIAR, youve been reading THE iRISH TIMES again[/p][/quote]anotherimigrant and Broadmoor. The perfect partnership.South Stand

anotherimigrant wrote:
Got to share this, as the EA has stiffeled debate on most threads due to over activity or someother bizare reason and either cant or wont report on news storys localy or nationaly.

Miroslav Balog, 32, from Shoebury, owed court £904 in outstanding fines
But magistrates offered to waive £859 if Balog spent rest of the day at court

He was allowed to wander grounds until 5pm in return for fine being waived and was even given lunch in the resturant.
Traders in Southend said it was a 'carte blanche' for him to keep offending

No, really, do you think so. He wont do it again, will he.

Coming to a town near you SOON.

WAIT TILL THE PIKEYS AND ROMAS GET HERE.

THEN YOULL KNOW ABOUT FLYTIPPING.

HAHAHAHA.

May I suggest that you become an emigrant, you mis-spelt immigrant.
I think most posters on here can't understand your points of view.

Answers on the back of a postcard.
I dont even know what this article was about anymore.

[quote][p][bold]South Stand[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]anotherimigrant[/bold] wrote:
Got to share this, as the EA has stiffeled debate on most threads due to over activity or someother bizare reason and either cant or wont report on news storys localy or nationaly.
Miroslav Balog, 32, from Shoebury, owed court £904 in outstanding fines
But magistrates offered to waive £859 if Balog spent rest of the day at court
He was allowed to wander grounds until 5pm in return for fine being waived and was even given lunch in the resturant.
Traders in Southend said it was a 'carte blanche' for him to keep offending
No, really, do you think so. He wont do it again, will he.
Coming to a town near you SOON.
WAIT TILL THE PIKEYS AND ROMAS GET HERE.
THEN YOULL KNOW ABOUT FLYTIPPING.
HAHAHAHA.[/p][/quote]May I suggest that you become an emigrant, you mis-spelt immigrant.
I think most posters on here can't understand your points of view.[/p][/quote]Answers on the back of a postcard.
I dont even know what this article was about anymore.Badgersgetabadname

My understanding is the Council have a legal duty to dispose of ALL waste generated by any household. They were fully aware that Fly tipping would be an issue brought about by this new Paid for Green Waste Service (quite how you can call it a service when only 10% of households use it is beyond me. Added to which it is vastly over the proposed budget figure...almost £2m, or put another way 2.5% on the annual Council Tax income.
The Council are desperately trying to save face and blame the electorate for the failing of this service, when in fact the were blind with greed to raise more revenue whilst claiming to freeze Council Tax for a 4th year running. Even without set up cost this service is running at a loss and is costing MORE than the old unpaid for service.
Quite why they bring in a service to cater for the minority, when they are closing services used by far more people is beyond me
Only an idiot without any common sense wouldn't be able to forecast this new Green Waste Service would fail and it would end up being far more expensive than the old free one.
The Council need to revert back to the old free scheme instead of blindly plodding on and wasting vast amounts of Tax-Payers money. I believe all of those currently signed up to the scheme (and all Tax payers) should be able to ask for their money back under the Trade Descriptions Act as it is clear this service (and the Council) are NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE!!!

My understanding is the Council have a legal duty to dispose of ALL waste generated by any household. They were fully aware that Fly tipping would be an issue brought about by this new Paid for Green Waste Service (quite how you can call it a service when only 10% of households use it is beyond me. Added to which it is vastly over the proposed budget figure...almost £2m, or put another way 2.5% on the annual Council Tax income.
The Council are desperately trying to save face and blame the electorate for the failing of this service, when in fact the were blind with greed to raise more revenue whilst claiming to freeze Council Tax for a 4th year running. Even without set up cost this service is running at a loss and is costing MORE than the old unpaid for service.
Quite why they bring in a service to cater for the minority, when they are closing services used by far more people is beyond me
Only an idiot without any common sense wouldn't be able to forecast this new Green Waste Service would fail and it would end up being far more expensive than the old free one.
The Council need to revert back to the old free scheme instead of blindly plodding on and wasting vast amounts of Tax-Payers money. I believe all of those currently signed up to the scheme (and all Tax payers) should be able to ask for their money back under the Trade Descriptions Act as it is clear this service (and the Council) are NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE!!!Clippies

umpcah wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup !

Its often much longer than one hour!

Some residents don't even drive or own a car and use bikes or public transport (now there's an interesting thought - a regular bus to the tip) Aren't we being encourage by the SBC to think green?. Some may even be too ill or frail. Could it be they don't even have the time these days? This is just to illustrate that it may not be down to sheer laziness as some posters seems all too quick to assume.

[quote][p][bold]Oldswindonian[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup ![/p][/quote]Its often much longer than one hour![/p][/quote]Some residents don't even drive or own a car and use bikes or public transport (now there's an interesting thought - a regular bus to the tip) Aren't we being encourage by the SBC to think green?. Some may even be too ill or frail. Could it be they don't even have the time these days? This is just to illustrate that it may not be down to sheer laziness as some posters seems all too quick to assume.Jason4

Now let me get this right...we have some residents making a point about this new green waste policy by fly tipping, we have a council refusing to collect the fly tipped waste whilst the rest of us who have complied in one way or another have to suffer the row. GROW UP PEOPLE!

Personally I feel we had it right the first time in it being paid for through the Council Tax. We all pay according to our property banding i.e. size/value of our property. How can it work for the Council in paying for the green waste if not enough residents sign up to the new green waste collection? How can this collection really pay for itself?

This is an absolute mess now as some have paid the £40 to this silly scheme.

Personally I compost as much as possible but weeds etc are taken to the tip but it can take weeks before I find the time and energy (I have ME) to take it the bags to the tip.

Now let me get this right...we have some residents making a point about this new green waste policy by fly tipping, we have a council refusing to collect the fly tipped waste whilst the rest of us who have complied in one way or another have to suffer the row. GROW UP PEOPLE!
Personally I feel we had it right the first time in it being paid for through the Council Tax. We all pay according to our property banding i.e. size/value of our property. How can it work for the Council in paying for the green waste if not enough residents sign up to the new green waste collection? How can this collection really pay for itself?
This is an absolute mess now as some have paid the £40 to this silly scheme.
Personally I compost as much as possible but weeds etc are taken to the tip but it can take weeks before I find the time and energy (I have ME) to take it the bags to the tip.Jason4

umpcah wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup !

If you use the webcam on the website to check , you can nip in when it's quiet.

[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup ![/p][/quote]If you use the webcam on the website to check , you can nip in when it's quiet.PJC

umpcah wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup !

If you use the webcam on the website to check , you can nip in when it's quiet.

Agreed but not everyone has that facility.

[quote][p][bold]PJC[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup ![/p][/quote]If you use the webcam on the website to check , you can nip in when it's quiet.[/p][/quote]Agreed but not everyone has that facility.umpcah

umpcah wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup !

If you use the webcam on the website to check , you can nip in when it's quiet.

Agreed but not everyone has that facility.

I`m sure more people than not have the capability to check a web cam.

[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PJC[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup ![/p][/quote]If you use the webcam on the website to check , you can nip in when it's quiet.[/p][/quote]Agreed but not everyone has that facility.[/p][/quote]I`m sure more people than not have the capability to check a web cam.Badgersgetabadname

umpcah wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup !

If you use the webcam on the website to check , you can nip in when it's quiet.

Agreed but not everyone has that facility.

I`m sure more people than not have the capability to check a web cam.

We all know it's quieter during the week between 9 - 5...and there's a reason for that being a quieter period.....Everyone (or at least most) are at work, so can't visit the HWRC

[quote][p][bold]Badgersgetabadname[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PJC[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup ![/p][/quote]If you use the webcam on the website to check , you can nip in when it's quiet.[/p][/quote]Agreed but not everyone has that facility.[/p][/quote]I`m sure more people than not have the capability to check a web cam.[/p][/quote]We all know it's quieter during the week between 9 - 5...and there's a reason for that being a quieter period.....Everyone (or at least most) are at work, so can't visit the HWRCClippies

umpcah wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup !

Some of us can't drive - I lost my licence due to epilepsy. Further, I cannot work due to that illness. Before you believe 'The Sun' articles, I don't go on four holidays every year; it is a struggle to live.

[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote:
Why people cant drive to Cheney Manor with their green waste and wait for about an hour in the queue is beyond me ! Seriously what another council ballsup ![/p][/quote]Some of us can't drive - I lost my licence due to epilepsy. Further, I cannot work due to that illness. Before you believe 'The Sun' articles, I don't go on four holidays every year; it is a struggle to live.MisterD

Cllr David Renard (leader of the Council) has been invited to read the comments raised on this issue, and that of the huge queues at the HWRC. Cllr Richard Hurley (Cabinet Member for Public Protection, Housing and Streetsmart (Delivery)), has also been invited to read the comments. Both Cllr's have been asked to publish their comments in the Swindon Advertiser...let's see whether or not they bother, and what their answer and views are.

Cllr David Renard (leader of the Council) has been invited to read the comments raised on this issue, and that of the huge queues at the HWRC. Cllr Richard Hurley (Cabinet Member for Public Protection, Housing and Streetsmart (Delivery)), has also been invited to read the comments. Both Cllr's have been asked to publish their comments in the Swindon Advertiser...let's see whether or not they bother, and what their answer and views are.Clippies

Clippies wrote:
Cllr David Renard (leader of the Council) has been invited to read the comments raised on this issue, and that of the huge queues at the HWRC. Cllr Richard Hurley (Cabinet Member for Public Protection, Housing and Streetsmart (Delivery)), has also been invited to read the comments. Both Cllr's have been asked to publish their comments in the Swindon Advertiser...let's see whether or not they bother, and what their answer and views are.

They should read these comments it goes to show what a massive issue this is for the swindon residents .we pay our tax and the banding level we pay would include size of garden i would have thought .A great deal of garden waste is now going in black bins and even more being dumped. They made a mistake and should do something about it soon as .

[quote][p][bold]Clippies[/bold] wrote:
Cllr David Renard (leader of the Council) has been invited to read the comments raised on this issue, and that of the huge queues at the HWRC. Cllr Richard Hurley (Cabinet Member for Public Protection, Housing and Streetsmart (Delivery)), has also been invited to read the comments. Both Cllr's have been asked to publish their comments in the Swindon Advertiser...let's see whether or not they bother, and what their answer and views are.[/p][/quote]They should read these comments it goes to show what a massive issue this is for the swindon residents .we pay our tax and the banding level we pay would include size of garden i would have thought .A great deal of garden waste is now going in black bins and even more being dumped. They made a mistake and should do something about it soon as .fuzzey

A great deal of garden waste is now going in black bins and even more being dumped. This statement just has to be true. Swindon Council admit to making a mistake and doing something about it ? Highly unlikely !

A great deal of garden waste is now going in black bins and even more being dumped. This statement just has to be true. Swindon Council admit to making a mistake and doing something about it ? Highly unlikely !umpcah

umpcah wrote:
A great deal of garden waste is now going in black bins and even more being dumped. This statement just has to be true. Swindon Council admit to making a mistake and doing something about it ? Highly unlikely !

They can keep the empty apology just fix things,,,,like they are supposed to do.

It seems to be a full time job giving contracts to friends in order to ensure the money doesnt go to help the public it was initially intended for.
When you look at it like that isnt it a crime?

[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote:
A great deal of garden waste is now going in black bins and even more being dumped. This statement just has to be true. Swindon Council admit to making a mistake and doing something about it ? Highly unlikely ![/p][/quote]They can keep the empty apology just fix things,,,,like they are supposed to do.
It seems to be a full time job giving contracts to friends in order to ensure the money doesnt go to help the public it was initially intended for.
When you look at it like that isnt it a crime?Badgersgetabadname

A.Baron-Cohen wrote:
If you have a garden, you do not expect the taxpayers to buy you plants and seeds, so why should the taxpayers pay to come and collect your waste?
This is an individual choice, you create garden waste so you get to pay a very small fee to get it cleared, there is nothing unfair about it.

So if I have no children, then I should not have to pay for their education, child support etc. if I have private health care I should pay for the NHS. They're all individual choices as well.
The fact remains we were paying for this service and now it has been removed but we haven't had £40s taken off our bills.

[quote][p][bold]A.Baron-Cohen[/bold] wrote:
If you have a garden, you do not expect the taxpayers to buy you plants and seeds, so why should the taxpayers pay to come and collect your waste?
This is an individual choice, you create garden waste so you get to pay a very small fee to get it cleared, there is nothing unfair about it.[/p][/quote]So if I have no children, then I should not have to pay for their education, child support etc. if I have private health care I should pay for the NHS. They're all individual choices as well.
The fact remains we were paying for this service and now it has been removed but we haven't had £40s taken off our bills.We're all doomed