I don't know why people say all matrix movies past the first one suck, I find them all fucking awesome. Although the ending of the last one was kinda eh.

The way I see it, they just kind of go downhill. Reloaded had great action, and I even liked most of the pretentious philosophy. On the other hand, it could have done without a large majority of the zion scenes, in particular the one involving Keanu Reeves' pasty ass. I basically thought it was better in some ways, but not as good in others.

Then there was Revolutions. It had it's moments, and the final battle was awesome, but on the whole it was disappointing in just about every way. Some of the fight scenes were pretty weak, and the philosophy that played such a large role in the other movies was, for the most part, absent. It was written to end the series, and it shows. That's the feeling I get, anyway.

The way I see it, they just kind of go downhill. Reloaded had great action, and I even liked most of the pretentious philosophy. On the other hand, it could have done without a large majority of the zion scenes, in particular the one involving Keanu Reeves' pasty ass. I basically thought it was better in some ways, but not as good in others.

Then there was Revolutions. It had it's moments, and the final battle was awesome, but on the whole it was disappointing in just about every way. Some of the fight scenes were pretty weak, and the philosophy that played such a large role in the other movies was, for the most part, absent. It was written to end the series, and it shows. That's the feeling I get, anyway.

IIRC the Zion scenes in Revolutions were even worse, I seem to remember a long drawn out battle scene in which we see fuckall from the main characters (although it's been quite a long time since I've seen any of them and my impressions at the time may have been due to my 13-14 year old attention span)

IIRC the Zion scenes in Revolutions were even worse, I seem to remember a long drawn out battle scene in which we see fuckall from the main characters (although it's been quite a long time since I've seen any of them and my impressions at the time may have been due to my 13-14 year old attention span)

Watching this part of the movie makes me realize that i would LOVE a movie like the matrix, but without the action parts to it. Just a guy finding that his world isn't real, and finding out about what happened, and why. Someone told a Scanner Darkly was something like that, [i haven't seen it] but i don't think that was the plot of it at all. I could be mistaken.

I loved this scene because back when I saw it the first time with some friends, I was the only one that understood what the hell the Architect was talking about (I tried telling them he was talking about how much
it turned him on watching Neo on his multitude of screens, but they didn't believe me).
Also this was well done because for once, it's not just the scriptwriter looking through the dictionary for the most complex sounding words he can find to look cool and sophisticated, there are loads of good points he makes in there.

I don't want to have to have expansive knowledge about religion, psychology and philosophy as well as having to have a dictionary around me at all times to have to watch an action movie with a few good ideas behind it.

This video is nice and informative, but I still don't understand why there has to be a Zion at all?

Because the Matrix functions on a system of choice. 99% of all subjects accept the program, but inevitably, there's that 1% that rejects it. That 1% forms Zion. It has to exist because, as hard as they try, they can't force all humans to accept the Matrix, and it poses a cascading risk because Zionists usually want to free everyone from the Matrix.

Watching this part of the movie makes me realize that i would LOVE a movie like the matrix, but without the action parts to it. Just a guy finding that his world isn't real, and finding out about what happened, and why. Someone told a Scanner Darkly was something like that, [i haven't seen it] but i don't think that was the plot of it at all. I could be mistaken.

Because the Matrix functions on a system of choice. 99% of all subjects accept the program, but inevitably, there's that 1% that rejects it. That 1% forms Zion. It has to exist because, as hard as they try, they can't force all humans to accept the Matrix, and it poses a cascading risk because Zionists usually want to free everyone from the Matrix.

But then the question is why don't the machines just kill the ones who don't accept it? Why do they need to allow the humans to go and form a city in the real world if they're just going to go and destroy it again and again.

The Sequels aren't that bad and do have good parts to them, if you just like the first one it can actually work as a standalone film regardless if you haven't seen the sequels anyway, but i liked the sequels so....to each his own.