halabar wrote:Looks like there will be no valor upgrading in 5.2 per GC's tweet. Might see those items upgradable later on. So at least for 5.2, it should be less grindy once you get the new faction done.

Hmmm... yeah, just saw that.

What I also saw was GC replying to 5.2 prot warrior changes on twitter, but still ignoring pally tank changes >=/

halabar wrote:Looks like there will be no valor upgrading in 5.2 per GC's tweet. Might see those items upgradable later on. So at least for 5.2, it should be less grindy once you get the new faction done.

Hmmm... yeah, just saw that.

What I also saw was GC replying to 5.2 prot warrior changes on twitter, but still ignoring pally tank changes >=/

Blue said they might buff SoI.

I'm also expecting spriest nerfs at the same time Holy is sniffing at overtaking shadow dps, lol.

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halabar wrote:Looks like there will be no valor upgrading in 5.2 per GC's tweet. Might see those items upgradable later on. So at least for 5.2, it should be less grindy once you get the new faction done.

Hmmm... yeah, just saw that.

What I also saw was GC replying to 5.2 prot warrior changes on twitter, but still ignoring pally tank changes >=/

What are you guys complaining about? Paladins have probably the best cooldowns around and we're getting an extra 10% every 30 secs in the patch. Our DPS is totally fine, especially with how we scale with haste compared to other tank classes. I'm more worried they'll notice we're a bit overpowered soon and nerf us.

Newsom wrote:What are you guys complaining about? Paladins have probably the best cooldowns around and we're getting an extra 10% every 30 secs in the patch. Our DPS is totally fine. I'm more worried they'll notice we're a bit overpowered soon and nerf us.

Grabbing the threat of lots of mobs at once is rather gimped compared to the other tanks. Consecrate takes 2 seconds to do anything, Hammer of the Righteous only does damage when you have some vengeance and Holy Wrath does fuck all when split among 4+ mobs.

It's kind of the same for the other tanks too, though. Thunderclap does fuck all without vengeance and the dot it applies can be compared to consecration. I usually find it's whoever goes and hits the mobs first that gets to keep threat on all the trash mobs in a raid, regardless of class. It's more of a vengeance problem to be honest.

i dont raid with or as a monk currently, but i believe that is where most of the snap aggro issues are coming fromi know as a raiding DK tank with a pally co tank D&D and BB dont rip threat off my co tank

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I kinda have to question that as well. When my DK was 85, running as Blood, in ~378 dps gear, I was yanking aggro off the 90 paladin tank with ease (and complaints from said paladin).

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