This is both my personal learning project and my contribution in the struggle to confront the ongoing Republican/ libertarian assault on rational science and constructive learning, as manifested in their malicious strategic Attacks on Science ~ A collection of articles, scientific resources, plus my own essays and indepth critique of various presentations from unidirectional-skeptics ~ Hopefully a resource for the busy, yet discerning, student who's concerned about the health of our Earth

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Sunday, July 8, 2018

Earth Centrist ponders, polite or honest ?

I've been too busy to do much with my project to dissect JohnSmith's crazy-making, but our exchange at YouTube continues and I believe this particular response is worth sharing with like-minded 'Children of the Intellectual Enlightenment' and rational fact-based thinkers and humanists.

{ More than ever we need to step up and engage with the childish tenets of faith-blinded delusionals, not to mention we need some serious networking between each other. Alone we are impotent, together we have potential.}

You see I've hurt JohnSmith's feelings again, guess I'm too busy pointing out the fallacies he's perpetrating, rather than dancing with him. Since I seem to have a reputation as a rough kinda guy, although I prefer "up front'n honest", it's worth discussing in more detail. For instance in my defense, instead of responding to my thoughts and queries, the guy reaches for the Whack-A-Mole gambit, which I'm not happy about, though I (and others) am willing to use the opportunities for sharing valid information on any angle of AGW that contrarians care to toss at us.After sleeping on it, I've decided to share my improved and expanded response. For the original and more of our exchange, check out:

JohnSmith, I just got through learning about the recent happenings in Japan, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3fbCOZlR1c, truly horrendous, yet our leaders are too busy jerking around each other to notice. Let alone to appreciate what it means.

It got me reflecting on your lament: "I just don't understand (citizenschallenge). I start out with a polite greeting ..." Okay my sweet nice John, let me try to spell out why I'm edgy, hell, truthfully, I'm god awful pissed off at Faith Based Delusionals, and the herd of ME FIRST political personalities (along with their sheeple) and how they've ensured a hideous future for us all. I admit, in light of your words that is how I've categorized you. Your velvety insinuations, your down right false assertions regarding the state of climate science disgust me because of their base dishonesty and the destruction they are guaranteeing.

Your words make clear that your climate science understanding is as superficial as the film on a bubble. I believe that for you, this is about politics and your perceived financial interests. Reading your words, it's obvious you've never truly considered the down to Earth physical reality, nor the consequences to our collective economic choices.

You can't fool me, your talking points have been cut'n pastes, without original thoughts of your own. { I can say this because I've been keeping up and ever learning about climate science since about 1970, along with the GOP driven dysfunctional dialogue.}

What's my bias? I come at all this from an Earth Centrist's position, meaning that Earth and her physical processes and the Pageant of Evolution are my touchstones, the foundation of all reality.*

After decades of study I've learned that contrarian games are invariably dedicated to stupefying people through faux science by rhetoric, ridicule, and slander. Relying on arguments that disregard facts and truth with alacrity.

Confusion and doubt mongering are its goals. Honest curiosity? There's none. Not a bit of awe and wonder at our Earth, her atmosphere and oceans and all we've learned and visualized these years - all that is treated with cynicism if not down right derision and contempt. No appreciate at all for how much our weather impacts every aspect of our lives.

Not long ago it was the unimaginably distant future, now I'm watching the world beginning to fall apart in earnest and with the full knowledge that the ugly has just begun and that coming years hold unimaginable horrors for all of us. Yes US, not some future generations, the future has arrived and thanks to ME FIRST fools, people are totally unaware, unprepared, stupefied. It could be you are but a sheep, an innocent, clueless and gullible as they get, makes little difference.

Sorry, I'm an experienced, knowledgeable, grizzled old man and humanity has disappointed me too much to hold any stock in your hollow politeness with all its hidden cynical self-interest and easy disregard for well settled and understood science, Oh, for what it's worth dogs and kids, come to think of it most adults and my lady, like me well enough, so I know I've retained my humanity, which is why I'm trying to explain myself and be civil, if not particularly 'polite'.

If you are wondering what all of this is about, it's about fundamental core issues and taboos that have been avoided for way too long.It's about time that Faith-Blinded Thinking is confronted for the malicious deception its evolved into over the past few decades, thanks to paid dirty tricksters and pick-pocket power political evangelicals.Why not start loudly talking about the gross abuse of America's Free Speech Right?Willful deception regarding down to Earthwell understood physical processes should be loudly called out and condemned, even if buddies of billionaires Supreme Court judges say lying about critical matters is fine and dandy.

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Here some thoughts that seem self-evident, but that are never discussed. Just saying, food for thought.

Religions are shadow-plays to help humans confront their existential insecurity. They help us as we try making sense of our short lives in difficult, sometimes hideous times.

The foreknowledge of our own deaths makes speculation about eternity and creation inevitable. And when we speculate we come up with answers, even if we need to make them up.

During a hard difficult life, imagine how cherished distant early childhood memories of being swaddled in warmth, freedom from toil, in the loving security of mothers strong arms, must have been.

Add to that living with seasons and the rhythms of life and death, it seems only natural to imagine a being that transcends the limits of our short existence in this world who’s beginning and end is beyond imagining.

I like the unknowable God of the Universe and Creation, a 'god' that is manifested in the pageant of evolution. Here’s a little mantra that popped into my head long ago: ‘God is Creation, why rob god of god’s evolution by slamming our origin story into a one-dimensional freeze frame.’

Knowledge of God is the ultimate in personal intimate relationships, your experience can not be transferred to, or replicated for, others.

Religions are human constructs for enabling human societies to function.

Science on the other hand is humanity’s recipe for learning about the physical world and its processes as honestly as possible.

Learning is the goal, fidelity to physical facts is the gold standard.

Science is a world where Free Speech doesn’t mean it’s okay to lie and slander with malicious intent.

Informed constructive skepticism is the rule.

Dishonest bluster and bullying is a crime.

For instance consider the Prosperity Doctrine, the metaphorical anti-Christ if there ever was. It's a blasphemy that glorifies the ME FIRST mentality of short-sighted self-interest, and it's about as un-Christian as is possible to get. Avarice, hypocrisy and double standards are its hallmarks.

Believing God has a personal relationship between individual you and an unknowable billions of years old God

** I’d like to suggest that folks may have a very real personal relationship with God, but to assume that it goes both ways reveals a disregard for the scope of God and God's Creation, by that I mean billions of years worth of evolution unfolding one day at a time.

What am I trying to say? Among other things,

Democracy use it or lose it, destructive dogma based assumptions ought to get called out. This includes pointing out the act of mistaking one’s own EGO and desires for God's Will.

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For what it's worth in true malicious contrarian fashion, Psalm1Tree opts out of further discussion,the superficial he's great at, the challenging questions and producing substance, not so much, ability to face his own errors and fallacies, apparently none.

I would suggest that's absolutism at work. In today's hostility saturated political/religious/business climate that's a breath away from totalitarianism US style.

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11/29/2016 I started this blog to debate climate science contrarians, I've done my part, they, the intellectual cowards for their part have run off and hide within their hermetically sealed echo chambers, safe to continue broadcasting more stupidity mixed with anger and hostility rather than constructive learning.

Now this horrendous election. Its changed everything and this blog, not sure where it's going, eventually I need to start another one, one less intent on futility reaching out for what ain't there and more focused on presenting a different perspective for its own sake, and to hell with the rest of it, it's too heart breaking.

I see Dec 19th as a key date. If there isn't serious focused engagement of the public in numbers that surprise everyone, well the oligarch will have their way with us.

Americans need to let Trump know from the gitgo, we do not approve of his con job and he better not get too crazy because he's earned zero good faith or honeymoon considerations. We shall see.

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I know there are too many typos, what can I say, eyes aren't what they were, I get rushed, and always did have a thing with transposing…{well, I also hated high school "english" classes... bad call that one.}. Doing the best I can with what I got. Embarrassing though it is, it's better than doing nothing. Besides, it's the issues and reasoning that we should be worrying about.

Though I'm in my own little world here, I'm also constantly learning and evolving and do get occasional feedback and when I reread stuff and find errors or omissions or garbage, I fix it. If it's major I'll acknowledge it with an 'edited' note, minor stuff I don't bother.

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I hardly keep track of Anthony's latest antics (besides, with Sou on the job why bother - can't beat her insights). It's just me over here and I have more important things to do with my precious hours - still now that Anthony's luster has been wearing thin he's put his energy into discovering and honing new fresh faces to carry on the public show of the Republican/Libertarian strategic attack on science.

He seems to have transitioned into a ring-leader, perhaps mentor/coach would be better, producer? At least that's how Mr. Steele and his antics of the past year has gotten me to think about it. So in that regard this blog remains about WUWT's brand of thinking and logic and my struggle to understand the anatomy of the fraud they've perpetrated against mankind. {December 2014}

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ok, now some recommended websites:

This blog was started in April 2013 and is written by an actual scientist so it has a refreshingly serious objective air to it, plus he does a good clear job of explaining complex issues.

Tamino, an acknowledged statistical/mathematical expert of the highest order, at Open Mind also does an excellent job of holding Anthony’s feet to the fire with clearly explained facts and math. Check it out:http://tamino.wordpress.com~ ~ ~

And of course, there is the excellent, most up to date internet depository of climate studies and information for the non-expert public.

Then there's RealClimate.org the scientist's commentary site. Run by working climate scientists intended to help the interested public and journalists sort through the complexities of the climatology. They provide "quick response to developing stories and provide the context" that is too often missing from public media's depiction. {But, you better be serious and have some real science education/understanding under your belt if you want to keep up.}

I remember back in da day, good websites/blogs were few and far between. But over the past years that's been changing to the point that it's impossible to keep up with them all. Here's an incomplete, and long overdue addition to my above list: