People who think the the description for this item means that Ornstein is Gwyn's firstborn, that theory isn't true. Yes, it is misleading but the Nameless King is Gwyn's true firstborn. He left halfway through the war to join the dragons and allied with a storm drake as proof of his alliance with the dragons. Afterwards Gywn erased all memory of his firstborn from history. Its also hinted at that the nameless king is the war god Faraam mentioned in the Faraam armor set.

This spell consumes less fp and deals more damage compared to lighting spear. To be more precise, it usually takes 2 great spears to kill enemies in NG with the best equipment and +60 faith while lightning spear takes more fp and 3 spears to kill. So, I can conclude that this spell is good for focused faith casters since it takes less fp and deals good damage. Also I recommend using the fp cost reduction ring.

I need to help kill 30 or more bosses or invade (god forbid) 30 time to get this and it's in a end game area? while sorcerers and pyros get the equivalent just by buying them? and they get it at least in a mid game area? No no fromsoft this is utter bull*****

I wonder if the most of you realize that the spears do more damage at close range.<br/><br/>Try it. From a distance, they'll do half the damage. You'll even hear a specific noise when you hit them with the spear point blank. <br/>You're supposed to use the talisman skill to poise through attacks and lightning spear them right in the face. I've seen them oneshot people before.

If you're able to beat the dancer at a low level early on you can get access to this miracle pretty early. the saint's tailsman is also avialable early, as is morne's ring. you can't get the lightning clutch ring for awhile, but this will def outpower lightning spear and emit force. you'll have to co-op farm bosses, but that shouldn't be too bad if you do early game bosses.

The damage seems to be at around 200% spell buff (works well, seems reasonable that regular lightning spear woud do 150%)<br/>Tested against Dark Wraith with different talismans and with and without priestess ring (The Dark Wraiths were estimated to take around 40% reduced Damage, also makes sense when comparing to meele GLS on Champion Gundyr (whith RotSF and Mornes Ring)).<br/>That would indicate that:<br/>Lightning Spear scales 150% (262,5% if melee)<br/>Great Lighning Spear scales 200% (350% if melee)<br/>Sunlight Spear scales around 300% (400% if melee)<br/>Someone edit this into the respectiva pages of each miracle but also write that it's up for confirmation. This seems likely but it's not the most accurate of methods I've used..

Who is Gwyns son with the great spear? Ornstein? Ornstein is the first born? He must have been shamed and exciled, went to look for the nameless king. And then when he came back his father and king lost his power and he decided to honour his last duties and defend the lordvessel with his abomination of a companion smough. It has 2 be!

Absolute crap. Don't bother getting this. 30 faith, sunlight talisman, morne's ring and firstborn ring and it barely does above 200 damage. Chime doesn't matter, fully upgraded would add like 50-60 dmg at best which would still be weak.<br/><br/>Fromsoft don't even know what they are doing anymore. This was always useless in PVP, then they made it useless in PVE as well. So stupid.