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@anti-agni Why are u talking so stupidly? How it make difference who received first Brhama or Rishies. Veda do not force you to believe in all these things otherwise Allah will punish you eternally. Though, I think Brahma was the first man who learned Veda from Rishies. Our main motto is to find what is truth. Suppose I learned Earth is egg shaped & I have understood it completely, can prove before others scientifically. Name of the person who first learned earth is egg shaped should not be issue for us but it is knowledge we came to know that earth is egg shaped.

@sanatani. why are you always in hurry to post the comment? read veda section of agniveer, he has written that first Brahma read veda and then taught to rishis is right and first rishi received then taught to Brahma also right. ie nothing is clear.

Hey, Aryasamaji/Hindu/Cristian/Idol worshiper You are worst of people. My lord Allah will punish you in eternal hellfire for not worshiping him. Prophet came in 7th century to teach us how to live, how to worship Allah. But you people always abuse my prophet. You people can not escape from the wrath of Allah.

@jay. it is proved that moolshanar has not used any authentic translation of Quran of any muslim scholar because you can’t name the translator.

If moolshankar had used unauthorized translation of Quran without giving name of translator then why only Muslims are expected to use only aryasamadhis translation? islamhinduism never do translation themselves but they always use available translations.

Anti-logic again you refuse to answer the question. Your boy refuses to debate mahendera pal arya. mahendera pal arya repeated requested to debate the retard that has pubes for a beard and he refuses. Instead he uses fake arya samaj guys that were kicked out of Arya samaj as his tools. mahendera pal arya also defeated naik’s guru and that fool refuses to come to the aid of his guru. What a total fool with no loyalties. I guess that is what your religion teaches you, save your own ass when you see your guru’s ass handed to you, lol. It’s been proven by Arya Samaj and mahendera pal arya that many of the translations and false verse that naik uses are just that false translations or non-existent verse. And now you just like naik run away from the fact the dog has been challenged over and over again and he can’t face a real debater like mahendera pal arya how knows his facts. And I have noticed you behave the same way you pussy.

krishnirai, ZN is not my boy and he has said that i’ll debate with a person who can atract minimum 10000 peoples otherwise every tom dick can challenge him. aryasamaji refuse everything so no one can debate with aryasamadhi fools.

you first read MP arya ko jawab at islamhinduism and tell us why he said ajajjel and why he said that Allah ordrd satan to bring dust? every point has been refuted still you have so much arrogance?

when tariq abdullah said ved nindak ko kaat daal then one aryasamaji said that veda means knowledge and truth but same time MP arya uses yajurveda and samveda to explain concept of God in veda???? you reject everything now your revised-Maharishi is All-sin????

i have challenged Mp arya to debate with me on the topic “is non-veg food prohibited or permitted for human” but coward can never debate. we hay many students of Zn to debate with MP arya on this topic but first aryasamaji MP arya should declare his faith and authentic book whose he believe and we can refer.

@Anti-Agni ________you first read MP arya ko jawab at islamhinduism_________ This is fraud websites. They have banned me many times at least 20 times. That is the problemwith Muslims when they fail to answer logically they ban who counter their frauds.

@Anti-Agni ______________aryasamaji refuse everything so no one can debate with aryasamadhi fools_________ Are u fool? Who told you Veda follower refuse everything? They have their own ideology based on Veda. Why not u read their article Lets truly enjoy! – Ishopanishad Mantra 1http://agniveer.com/ishopanishad-mantra-1/

hello anti agni i have aquestion for you did willam campell bring 10,000 people from his side? and we dont reject everything how many times do i have to tell you, why do you muslims keep repeating same lies all the time? and that islamhinduism website is nonsense you call that answer? and veda is rig,sam,atharva and yajur veda and if you want to debate about non veg food prohibited or permtted for human why not debate with me? mahendera pal arya cares abuot truth not fame he wants blind followers of zakir naik and peace tv to see the truth about islam like he did

and I quote you, “minimum 10000 peoples otherwise every tom dick can challenge him” – This is total bullshit. THis is what you call a pussy running away. I’m sorry, but I don’t buy that fake excuse. naiks guru had already debated mahendra pal arya. So mahendra pal arya is not any tom, dick or harry. So stop defending naik the fool. Naik guru has already debated him, so now naik needs to step up to the challenge. Espically after his guru was so utterly crushed by mahendra pal arya.

And even more important, naik still has not addressed the fact that he used a phony Arya Samaj guy acting as the present of Arya Samaj. Why did naik use a fake?????(This is where you come up with a clever bullshit answer to address this question.) And if Naik didn’t know he was a fake, he sure does now and he needs to apologize to Arya Samaj organization, it’s people, and the large Hindu community for using a fake. Naik instead has not made to public state about using a fake Arya Samaj person and trying to mislead people. So sorry bud, but you have no bases for any of the things you said. Your boy which you keep defending like he is a god, even after he has been proven to use fake people, and cherry picked quotes, or even non-existence quotes. If this is what you believe is representing your religion, you have really shown that your religion is total and utter trash.

That might be the case, but at the end, my point still stands. mahendra pal arya has challenged the retard naik and has beaten a prominent speaker on retard naik’s tv show. And it has been shown that a false arya samaj guy fashioning himself as the president of Arya Samaj was shown on to be just that, a phony. And naik used the fool to try and push is bullshit cause. This just shows he uses a fake and knows that he is a fake, it shows the character of naik the loony crazy bin. It also shows the character of the people supporting naik and/or his tv show. It means they support phonies, manipulation, trickery, propaganda, and horrible practices to push there crooked twisted agenda. It just shows they can no longer be trusted. Anti-agni clearly showed he still supports naik even after the fact that the arya samaj guy naik was using turned about to be a fake. What does that show about anti-agni. It shows he is a person with ZERO character.

For the sake of argument, let’s say naik did not know the Arya Samaj guy he was using was a fake. Well he does know now. What does that mean. It means naik should have given an apology to the Arya Samaj organization, Arya Samaj people, and the greater Hindu community. He out right insulted a billion people worldwide.

@jay. i already told you that aryasamadhi is a cult or group of peoples who are working against Muslims in India so i am against them. all sin is an Iranian Christian and i have nothing to do with him but aryasamadhis copy in wholesale from ff and all sin.org.

yousuf and pickthal translated in English and moolshankar quoted in hindi so ur answer is wrong.

@ Anti-Agni, You said ” regarding Vedic society is to show that veda can’t be practical solution”

Well Prove it then. But remember Islam is the worst creation of Man. 1)Allah rewards his followers with 72 virgins in Heaven , Is he running a brothel? Then what about women ?

2)Allah sends his non-believers to hell ? Well, what is the difference between Allah and Hitler ?

3)Mohammed was a Sex freak , child molester ,Had intercourse with his daughter in law , looted places………And you muslims consider him as a Prophet .

4)You people say that Islam is tolerant , then why don’t you allow Temples or Churches in Islamic Countries ? Why do you tag a muslim convert as traitor ? Why do you have internet censorship in Middle East?

5)You say Islam is peaceful , then why do you kill animals and eat ? Why do you have Jihad ? I know you would say Jihad means Struggle .It is saving yourself at the times of war . Well it IS HUMAN INSTINCT TO PROTECT HIMSELF DURING A WAR , WHY DO YOU NEED GOD TO SEND A MESSAGE FOR IT? I mean going by You fellow muslim’s definition of Jihad , Jihad has been there for centuries before Quran was revealed . This comes us to two conclusions a) Quran is a useless book because it mentions something which was already known to man for 1000’s of years (or) b) You muslims Are following Taqqiya and conceal the original meaning of Jihad (All said and done ,Now the world knows what true islam is )

6)Why do you make women wear Ninja Suits ?? I mean how can you call that as equality ? Now your argument is that Women should not attract men ..Blah….Blah , But you forgot the FACT THAT EVEN WOMEN HAVE SEXUAL ATTRACTION TOWARDS MEN , IN THAT CASE EVEN YOU SHOULD WEAR PURDHA/HIJAB……….

7)Sharia Law is the most Barbaric Law I have Ever Read , and you muslims want it as official law!!

8)Which religion actually permits lying for spreading it? And majority of Islam today has been spread by the word of sword.

there are million other reasons to show why islam is barbaric,hypocritical ,un-equal ………. AND YOU WANT TO PROVE THAT VEDAS ARE IMPRACTICAL….. MAN GET A LIFE….. Come out of your madarasa Education !!!!

@aditya. you are no less than your aryasamadhis fellow in foolishness. i have asked you to show any Vedic society which was based on Vedic principles and you were unable to show so it was proved that no society can be based on veda.

in my first comment i have asked about Vedic society then you were helpless then in in second comment i have said that question regarding Vedic society is to prove that no society can be based on veda. I have already proved but your pathshala mindset can never allow you to understand simple things.

what about Quran’s translation used in satyarthprakaah? Which Muslims translation he had used? Why you can’t name? Why this double standard? islamhinduism use vedamu. web or aryasamaj jamnagar or give reference .

@anti-agni _____________what about Quran’s translation used in satyarthprakaah_________ Firstly, why are u mad for Satyarth Parkash? In this age we have much better Islamic scholar like Ali Sina who has greater knowledge about Islam even than Maharishi Dayanand & all contemporary people. We can visit alisina and faithfreedom etc. Reading 14th chapter of Satyarth Parkash does not serve any purpose for Muslim but if they read Ali Sina and refute him they can have chances of winning 100000 USD also.

O Prophet, why do you prohibit [yourself from] what Allah has made lawful for you, seeking the approval of your wives? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

The above verse was revealed on occasion when Muhammad had sex with Mary the Copt, on the day he was supposed to be with his wife Hafsa. When he was caught red handed by Hafsa, he falsely swear that Mary is forbidden for him. But still he lusted for Mary and other concubines. On this occasion we see, how Muhammad’s own creation quickly came in to rescue his Lord, and revealed a verse to help him. Can anybody suggest me any other God who personally checks all such personal and private matters of his Prophet. Is there any?

What is a vedic Society? A vedic society is a society which gives freedom to think and act as long as it is immoral. It is a society which does not impose anything on you .It does not punish you if you are different in your ideas. It is a society which is more spiritual , kind and forgiving . Now India’s golden period was during the Vedic era. India reached its height of intellectual and material wealth because of the vedic society. It gave rise or new religions like Buddhism and Jainism .Many intellectual achievements hapenned during vedic period .

And I have done a couple of paper presentations on Vedic society in my college . The best example to prove how India Actually had Vedic society can be seen from the Mahakavyas (Great literary works in Sanskrit). And I have completely read Kalidasa’s Raghuvamsam and it matches the Vedic society .

And I did not see your comment , otherwise I would have replied earlier .

And your last set of Questions are interesting . You have to understand the difference between Sanskrit and Arabic. Vedic sanskrit is taught only in Veda Patashalas but Classical Arabic is taught in many Schools and Universities .And Quran is supposed to be understood to every Normal Muslim .So the acid test cannot be applied to Quran because Quran is in Classical Arabic which can be understood by many muslims and Normal Beings. But that is not the case for vedas. Even Ph.d’s in Classical sanskrit cannot translate the vedas, you need to be proficient in vedic Sanskrit to translate. Now if you have found any TRANSLATIONAL errors in Satyaprakash, why don’t you point it out . If there is any intentional error , I would recommend the Arya Samaj’s to make the necessary changes .

@Anti-Agni _________show any Vedic society which was based on Vedic principles_________ Every society more or less follower of Veda. Even Muslim society are follower of Veda. for Example In Muslim Society 1. Marrying with real sister not allowed in Muslims (This is based on Veda) 2. In Muslim Society God is one , all Powerful, omniscient and formless (This is based on Veda) 3. In Muslim also people know earth rotate around the sun. (This is based on Veda) How can you say Muslims are not followers of Veda? Veda are eternal & universal truths. That is different matter they are less followers of Veda than Christian and Hindus.

arya samaj grew because of you muslims and christians because you were spreading hatred and lies and most hindus were not doing anything about it just like now when zakir naik,peace tv and other muslim preachers are spreading lies about hinduism and other beliefs, arya samaj has done more for the good of indian subcontient than muslims or christians have and arya samaj is not cult unlike islam and ali sina is not christian but he is more against islam than christianity is and i didnt say dayand saraswati used yusuf ali,pickthall english translation i said his translation was similar to the translation by islamic scholors there is not much differencesexcept in reference because of printing so it can be accepted and islamhinduism dont use authentic translation they make own translation or they use western translation when indian subcontient was ruled by british or mixture of both to support their views

Vedic scholar’s response to naik’s guru’s claims. Also the Vedic scholar has openly challenged naik since 2004 and there has not been a peep from naik. He keeps running away. Please see the video and it has been translated into English for everyone to read:

Hi Jay Arya, You might be right. He might just be a Vedic preacher, but he is very knowledgeable about the Vedas and other religions as well. Lots of respect to the man. He totally crushed the guru of Naik in a debate.

@Anti-Agni _____who is ved nindak___ The people are against humanity are Ved Nindak. First you should know what is Veda? Veda are eternal & universal truths. If something is not true, eternal & universal is not Veda.

i think your mistaken hindu dont see the animals as god but see god in them hindu believe god is everywhere and i told you ali sina isnt a prophet santana dharma is being sarcastic he is trying to make you see reality on how can you believe an arab illterate man as you claim as a prophet? and you say some ali and aminriasdh are refuting ali sina after you are muslim and you muslims always like to make fake victories if they answered and refuted ali sina show me where?

@sanatani. i have seen your comments at all-sin you seem to be so pathetic even all sin replied that i am not Hindus prophet, hindu believe every donkey monkey as their god. it is not good to be Indian god. hahaha

aminriadh, ali, rainbow constantly challenging him to show the proof but he is not showing any proof. an atheist rainbow very well said tthat you can’t debate with a true and perfect liar. all sin is supporting hatred and lies and his most followers are Indian Hindus .

i don’t know how could you say that no Muslim is able to refute all sin when ali and aminriasdh continuously ripping his armugents apart?

@Anti-Agni Have you not read, Ali Sina said Hindu are more advanced in their mental evolution than Muslims. Ali Sina words

“You are a follower of Muhammad. You\’ll do anything that he said. You don\’t have an opinion contrary to his. You don\’t think for your own and if any thought of your goes against what Muhammad said you dismiss that thought immediately. Hindus don\’t denigrate themselves to such an extent, not even for their gods. They think for themselves and pick and choose things that make sense to them. If something in their religion does not make sense to them they are free to discard it. I\’d say they are more advanced in their mental evolution than Muslims. “

@Ankur/Anti-Agni Islamic theology is indefensible. When I asked to Anti-Agni Islam and Quran not from Allah because an eternal, perfect, unchangeable & universal entity (Allah) teachings must be eternal, perfect, unchangeable and universal but Quran does not stand before these conditions. Anti-Agni gets silent and tries to deviate the topic by bringing other things in middle.

Yeah ! That is islam style ,change the topic when you are being defeated .Same here I asked him what translation of vedas Muslims and ZN use and he replied that “A translation from your fellow hindu Pundit ” and I asked him which book and who was the author and I said that I would check it with the original book and He was cornered and he could not reply at all.

I agree i have realised muslims in debates speak loud and harshly when they cant answer they change topic and they also many times they agree with what quran says but then they try to deviate and say your book also says the same thing you call that refuting? but the main thing they bring in debates is the challenge of the quran to make sura like it and i have seen many make a sura like it but the problem muslims dont accept and still believe it is unanswered for the last 1400 years thats not true at all

Well Anti-Agni, I asked you a question and you seem to be cornered. You said that you use the translation of a “A fellow Hindu Pundit”. I asked you what book and Author Name and you did not reply . Do you think we are fools like muslims who beleive blindly . Now I want the translation what you muslims and Zakir Naik use. I will compare it with a copy of the book and see if you are lying or not. I am pretty sure that you can’t reply!!

@aditya. Can you show me where i have used any translation? i never give any example from veda because still it is not clear what is veda? i have seen at islamhinduim site that they give reference and translator name. i am not cornered you are cornered because you haven’t identified any translation which is accepted by whole hindu samaj..if there are many then can we not use any?

you are ignorant hindu according to aryasamadhis because you believe in adulterated books like puranas so you have no moral right to speak from aryasamadhis side.

you can see many aryasamajis postings many lines from veda but never give any reference of translator. then why should i bound to show?

@ankur, any person believing in puranas can’t be aryasamaji so you are not aryasamaji.

can you tell us which translator’s translation of quran dayananda had used in satyarth prakash samhullash 14(please dont say that i have nothing to do with satyarth prakash or dayanda as all aryasamaji rejects everything while asked any question.)

can you show me any vedic society in history? can you identify any translation of veda acceptd by all hindus? which english translation your fellow aryasamaji use at this site?

@Anti-agni : where does Purana come into picture? what does me being an aryasamji or not have to do with anything? One of the accepted translations of the vedas is available in the agniveer store. besides why do i need a specific translation in English when i can read the translation in Hindi and then i put it back in English.

One thing we have to understand Dayanand or Satya Prakash is not the topic of Debate; its Islam.so if you want to answer , answer the questions raised showing the true face of Islam, if you can. Leave the individuals out of it.

i told you dayanand saraswatis translation was similar to islamic scholors like yusuf ali and pickthall only some references were incorrect but the verses exist in the quran as for translation of vedas i answered you but you dont seem to read to my comments?

If you don’t know what is veda , You either know about it and then debate people here or don’t come here. You don’t know what veda is and You are against Arya Samaj. It is a waste arguing with you. Read the vedas and come here. And that’s the same thing I did with Quran , I did not debate muslims before reading the quran.

You were the person who said “we refer the translations of your fellow Hindus”. If you don’t even know about vedas , how do you know the translations with errors . It is clear that you are a muslim Fanatic Well why don’t you name a few books which muslims refer.

I am not a member of the Arya Samaj ,But I am a voice for their Cause. And even I don’t believe the puranas . For Eg. Garuda Purana speaks about the punishments in Hell , but the vedas say that the term Hell and Heaven is only relative .So I reject the puranas . Do you need more explanation ??

And your last line shows your motive !! the arya Samajis give the source of their translation .You can Check the translation of the above mentioned Author and Agniveer’s Articles. It will Match . Now it is your chance………….

@ankur, sorry that q was directed to aditya. @aditya. you haven’t given all answers regarding satyarth prakash and English translation. My motive behind asking the question regarding Vedic society is to show that veda can’t be practical solution .

when anyone ask regarding veda and give reference from those four books then aryasamajis reply that those four books are not veda but truth is veda like Newton had got veda of gravity. etc but still agniveer is selling those four books in the name of veda?

So what is veda is beyond anyone’s understanding. i am here because aryasamadhis spreading hatred against Muslims on net and degrade hazrat Muhammad and Allah swt. @krishnaraoi. i have challenged mp arya to debate with me but he has never answered .

islamhinduism are fantics they make stupid claims they cant prove like zakir naik they still havent approved my comment and when did we say newton got gravity from vedas? newton was not even the first to talk about gravity and you say you are here because arya samaj spread hatred against muslim do you think arya samaj are the only ones there are so many websites spreading hatred against islam why dont you go refute them we dont only attack islam but also christianity as they are similar but i personally respect jesus but thats it and you challenging mp arya does not mean anything you have not answered anything on here? why would mp arya debate you when he could beat famous muslim preachers in india? and show them the truth and you say believing in puranas means you cant be arya samaj? who told you that you can believe in puranas to certain externt not fully

.Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali, the nation’s most senior Muslim cleric, compared unveiled women with meat that is left uncovered in the street and is then eaten by cats.

In a Ramadan sermon in a Sydney mosque, Sheik al-Hilali suggested that a group of Muslim men recently jailed for many years for gang rapes are innocent.

Addressing 500 worshippers on the topic of adultery, Sheik al-Hilali added: “If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it..whose fault is it – the cats or the uncovered meat?

“The uncovered meat is the problem.”

He went on: “If she was veiled and in her home no problem would have occurred.”

@sanatani, can alu sin not write wrong statements on his web? who is Mr. bhatti? why you believe everything from alusin? you claim that you anaylyse everything and reject falsehood but why you are unable to analyse alu sin’s posts? why are you blind follower of alusin?

@Anti Agni/Quran is not from Allah because an eternal, perfect, unchangeable & universal entity (Allah) teachings must be eternal, perfect, unchangeable and universal but Quran does not stand before these conditions. _________can alu sin not write wrong statements on his web_________ No, he can not write wrong statement. ______why you believe everything from alusin?_________ Why do you believe everything from Mohammed? _______why you are unable to analyse alu sin’s posts_______ Why are you unable to analyze to Quran and Mohammed . And In Ali Sina matter he is irrefutable to till date. You also have not dare to post on his website because you know he will refute your nonsense claims within no seconds. From the heart you also know Mohammed , Quran and Islam are false but it is your ego in your way. Let us enjoy Ishopanishad Mantra 1http://agniveer.com/ishopanishad-mantra-1/

@sanatani. Many peoples debating with alu sin on his website and as far as i know he defend Christianism and you blindly copy him .many persons refuting him daily and you are saying he is irrefutable?????

if someone not accepting the view then how could you say that he is irrefutable? if you keep on rejecting everything every faith every ideology in debate then who can defeat you? But atheism can’t give any sustainable system for this world.

i have already said that i am not interested in him because he is single person and spreading hatred on net only but aryasamadhis are real threat for India and they are working through out India on ground level . amazing situation is this that they are borrowing points from a pseudo Christian??

i have full faith in Muhammad s.a.w and in Quran and i also invite you to accept islam.

@anti-agni ____________i also invite you to accept islam.__________ But Islam and Quran are not from Allah because an eternal, perfect, unchangeable & universal entity (Allah) teachings must be eternal, perfect, unchangeable and universal but Quran does not stand before these conditions. What is the problem you have in understanding of it _________if you keep on rejecting everything every faith every ideology_________ He do not reject everything he accept ideologies like Yajurved 19.77 – All humans at all times should have passion only for adoption of truth and rejection of falsehood. This should be a continuous process and one should keep detaching faith from what one discovers to be false and keep attaching faith to what one discovers to be true based on analysis, logic, facts and evidence. 4. Yajurved 1.5 – All human beings should resolve to accept only truth and reject the falsehood. Even the prayer to Supreme should request only eradication of falsehood and embrace of truth alone. Ali Sina believes in this ideology then how can you say he rejects everything?

The brother has posed a question, how can you scientifically prove the existence of God Almighty, the existence of Allah (SWT) to especially to an Atheist, who does not believe in God. The first thing I will do is that , I will congratulate that Atheist. I will congratulate him – You know why? If you look around us – he is a Hindu because father is a Hindu – He is a Christian because father is a Christian –Some Muslims are Muslims because their fathers are Muslim. This person, though he may be coming from a religious background, he does not believe in the false god which his parents attribute to – so he does not believe in God. I am congratulating him because he has accepted the first word of the ‘Shahada’, the first part of the Islamic creed ‘La Ilaha’ – there is no god. Now my job is to prove ‘Illallah’, ‘but Allah’ – which I shall do Inshaallah. To the other people, I have to first to remove the wrong concept of ‘god’ and then prove the right concept of the Allah (SWT). Here half my job is done. He has already said ‘La Ilaha’ – There is no god. Now I have to prove ‘Illallah’, ‘but Allah’ – which I shall do Inshaallah. You ask this Atheist, that suppose there is an object… an unidentified… may be a flying object which no one in the world has seen – No human being in the world knows about this object.

If it is brought in front of you, and if you ask that who will be the first person who will be able to tell you the mechanism of this unidentified object, you have to ask him the question. Who is the first person , who will be able to tell you the mechanism of this new object which no one in the world has seen? After thinking for a while, he will give the answer – ‘the person who will be able to tell you the mechanism…the first person, is the Creator of that object’. Some may say ‘Manufacturer’, some may say ‘Producer’. Whatever they say, don’t grapple with the words… accept it – It will be somewhat similar. Either ‘Creator’, or ‘Producer’, or ‘Manufacturer’ – but remember what he has told you – Keep it in your mind.

Then ask him the next question – How did the Universe come to existence –How was it formed? He will tell you by the Big Bang Theory. Tell him the Qur’an mentions in Surah Anbiya, Ch. 21, V. No. 30, about the Big Bang Theory. Who could have mentioned this in the Qur’an 1400 years ago? – He will tell you… ‘May be it is a fluke’. Don’t argue with him – Next part of the question. We did not know the light of the Moon is reflected light – We came to know recently – You ask him. He will tell you… ‘Yes, yes the light of the Moon is reflected light – it is not its own light’. When we discovered ? He will tell you… ‘Recently, yesterday, fifty years back, hundred years back, yesterday in science’. You tell him, the Qur’an mentioned that – ‘the light of the moon is reflected light’, fourteen hundred years ago. Who could have mentioned that ? May be somebody had a wild guess. Do not argue with him….

Continue – We thought the sun was stationary. You ask him – Is it stationary ? He will say… ‘ No it is rotating and revolving’. When did you learn this? He will tell you… ‘Yesterday… fifty years back… twenty years back’. Qur’an mentioned this fourteen hundred years ago. He will hesitate, but may say –‘May be, some intelligent person wrote it’. Don’t argue with it…

Continue. How was the universe initially – What is celestial matter ? He will tell you ‘it was Smoke’. How did you come to know ? ‘We have got proof, we have got evidence’. You tell him… ‘Qur’an mentioned this fourteen hundred years ago’. Who could have mentioned that? –He will hesitate. Don’t wait for a response…

Continue – Keep on posing question after question. All that I have given in the lecture – Keep on posing one question after the other. That, ‘water cycle’, how did you come to know about it? Qur’an mentioned it fourteen hundred years ago. About – ‘every living thing made from water’ – Who could have mentioned that ? Qur’an speaks about Botany – the ‘male and female’ –Who could have mentioned that ? Pose one after the other and ask the question – ‘Who could have written that’ ? Then you tell him there is a theory known as ‘Theory of Probability’.That if you have two choice, out of which one is right – the chances that you will make the correct choice just at random, is one in two. For example, if I toss a coin it can be either heads or tails – The chances I will be right, will be one in two. If I toss it twice, the chances I will be right both the times, will be 1/2 multiplied by 1/2 that is 1/4. Twenty five percent chance. If I toss it thrice, chances I will be right all three times, 1/2 multiplied by 1/2 multiplied by 1/2, it is 1/8. 12 and 1/2 %. A dice has got six sides. If I throw a dice, the chances that at random I will be correct is 1/6. If I through it twice, the chances that both the times I will be right, will be 1/6 x 1/6 which is 1/36. This is called as ‘Theory of Probability’.

If I throw the dice twice, and then toss a coin, all three being right will be 1/6 multiplied by 1/6 multiplied by 1/2 is 1/72. So you ask him – the chances may be if you ask – what is the shape of the earth? There are various shapes. Some may say if is flat, some may say its triangular, some may say it is hexagonal, some may say pentagonal, some may say heptagonal, some may say square. Say there can be ten shapes. Some may say it is round, it is spherical – the chances that if any one makes a wild guess, it being correct, is 1/10. ‘The light of the Moon’ – it can either be its own light, or it can be reflected light. The chances that you make a wild guess and it being correct will be one upon two. The chances that both – ‘shape of the earth’ and ‘light of the moon being reflected light’- both being correct, if you make a wild guess – it will be 1/10 multiplied by 1/2, it is 1/20. What can the living creatures be made of ? Some may say ‘Sand’, some may say ‘Stone’, some may say ‘Aluminum’, some may say ‘Gold’ – say a thousand materials you can name. Some may say ‘Water’, some may say ‘Silver’, a thousand materials.

The chances that you make a wild guess, and one of them being right according to mathematics, is one upon a thousand. The chances that all three being correct – ‘the earth is spherical’, ‘light of the moon is reflected light’, and ‘every living creature created from water’… is correct, will be 1/10 multiplied by 1/2 multiplied by 1/1000. Answer comes to 1/20,000 or 0.005 percent. Qur’an speaks about scientific… science more than a thousand verses. In three verses, the chances comes to .05 percent. If you apply probability theory to all these being at random, chance it will come to zero… negligible. And in Maths – anything one in ten raise to fifty, it is equal to zero. So you ask your Atheist friend… ‘Who could have written this?’ The only answer he can give you is, his first answer – ‘the Creator’, ‘the Manufacturer’. The person who has produced it – That is the only answer. There is no other answer. What Science is saying today is…‘They are not eliminating God… They are eliminating models of god’. La Ilaha IllAllah. They are not eliminating god but models of god

@Anti-Agni ___________how can you scientifically prove the existence of God Almighty____________ Only Vedic religion teach us science how to realize God. In Vedic religion concept of god realization inclusive while in Islam this is exclusive. This comment will clarify it more clearly “The difference is, the abrhamic view is exclusive while the Dharmic experience is inclusive when it comes to the experience of major characters of the faith. And this is probably the most important thing that most abrahamic religions do not understand about Dharmic religions. Many followers of the abrhamic view are caught up so much in history centrism and arguments with historical proofs and ect, but forget the ultimate proof is for us to experience the the same thing the person claiming to make extraordinary achievements and experiences is making. If we can’t experience the same thing and that means to receive the so called word of god for ourselves so we can independently check it for ourselves then the so called prophets are bullshit.”http://agniveer.com/noor-e-haq-satyarth-prakash-in-urdu/#comment-18591 @Agniveer Please delete Anti-Agni comment. This forum is for discussion not for long copy paste.

hello anti agni first of all there is no science in quran any science you claim is not revealed scuience but stolen science if there is any and there no muslin debating with ali sina most of the people on the site are anti islam people and he isnt defending christianity he probably thinka jesus claimed he was son of god not just a simple prophet like muhammed and bible didnt prophecies muhammed how does that mean im defending christianity it is just that the quran makes claim about the bible that are not true and i can even accept the challenge of making a sura like it but the problem is muslims dont accept then say no body has done challenge in the last 14000 which proves it is word of god which is just a lie made by muslims

@krishna rao, you peoples can never understand simple things which a school going kid can understand. where i said that agniveer is saying i have debated with ZN? i wanted to say as agniveer comments on ZN articles or speeches in same way alu sin vs qadri sb’s debate is looking. what agniveer do, he takes some lines of ZN and comment on that in the same manner alu sin has taken some lines of so called “qadri sb” and commented on that. As far as i have read or watched debates of different scholars it can never be called a debate.

you never understand simple things and day by day my confidance is growing by seeing your skills of understandings that there is no fault of Moolshankar that he has fooled you but you are a group of fools who can never understand simple things so you have accepted satyarthprakash.

i hsve to repeat simple things and no aryasamaji understand my or any muslims comment. just see i have understand your comment that you want to say that ZN never accepted aryasamajis challenge for debate because he has no courage to debate with dumb aryasamajis who reject every book every translation every faith when asked any question, so my allegation is wrong.

if you read carefully i wanted to say that as ZN never debated agniveer (he is not claiming that i have debated) and agniveer commented on ZN articles which can’t be claimed as debate(and agniveer is not claiming) but alusin’s vs qadri debate is same but he is claiming it as debate and fool aryasamajis propagating it as victory of alusin???

i can post same debate with alusin by just commenting on alusin’s posts and can easily claim thyat he has mailed me how could you verify that he has mailed me or not? debates must have some qualities to be called as debates. you have so much inferiority complex that you can do anything.

@fAIZI/ANTI-AGNI/FOLLOWER OF time bound book (Quran) Can I know why do you think Ali Sina is not true prophet of Islam? When Prophet Ali Sina was invited to Mubahila by Bhatti to find out the truth. Prophet Ali Sina accepted his invitation and come out to be true. Is it not the proof Ali Sina is correct even in eyes of Allah & his all allegations are true on Mohammed, Quran & Islam. For detail story please read whole discussion.http://alisina.org/blog/2012/02/17/mubahila-the-islamic-cursing-tournament/

Moreover you muslims are so stupid to believe what ZN says about Vedas. I can see a lot of misinterpretations of vedas by muslims.My point is what is muslim’s qualification in sanskrit?There are two kinds of sanskrit.One is vedic and another is classical(Mastered and pioneered by panini).The vedic sanskrit was among a few only.From the advent of classical sanskrit,it has been the official and common language.the difference between vedic sanskrit and classical sanskrti is like the difference between Victorian english and american english.Moreover universities nowadays only teach classical sanskrit.Vedic sanskrit is taught only in veda patashalas.Does this mean the muslims who comment on vedas have studied in veda patashalas?Moreover no muslim has done even a diploma in Classical sanskrit,then how can they comment on vedas which were written in vedic sanskrit?This is a conclusive proof that people like Zakir are spreading the wrong messages about the vedas.Moreover I find even educated muslims believing this.If you use logic,you would question what is the source of muslim’s knowledge on vedas.

You are a fool!! Btw we don’t threaten muslims that they would burn in hell. It is just that YOUR KARMA WAS SO BAD THAT YOU ENDED UP BEING A MUSLIM.

@aditya. can. you show me any translation of veda done by vedic pathshala student which is accepted by 100% Hindus and Muslim scholars using different translations?

We are using translation done by ur fellow Hindus and aryasamaj is neither in majority nor it is oldest sect of Hindus . even aryasamajis reject some translations done by fellow aryasamajis on different topics.

Sanskrit is dead language no one knows real meaning of veda and you still believe. that ishwara has given eternal guidance for humanity in a language which will become dead? veda to ghareeb ki chadar h sar dhako to pair khul jata h aur pair dhako to sar…..eik meaning loge to kahin phansoge aur doosra loge to kahin.

Sorry!! Do you know the meaning of dead Language ?? Sanskrit has 14,000 native speakers + many families in many Cities and Towns converse in Sanskrit. I speak sanskrit and there are more than 500 families in Chennai which speak sanskrit. Just say you don’t know the meaning of vedas. I was in a dilemma when I started to search for a religion and What I found out was interesting . Each and every Scientific Fact given in the quran were already given in the vedas, upanishads and Shastras. You speak about embryology and it was given in Garbha Upanishad . And it is interesting to note that More no. of terrorists are muslims and India is the most tolerant country in the world( because of it’s religion)

back to the topic, When we correct ZN, why does he not correct it, because he has 0 knowledge on Sanskrit and we Sanathana Dharmis know sanskrit. Actually both my sanskrit teachers studied at veda patashalas and they themself find it challenging to translate the vedas.

Btw why don’t you quote the books you people use ?? I mean the “Fellow Hindu Author” ? I would compare it with the original book and see what you are telling is true or you are following TAQQIYA !!!

@aditya. you haven’t identfied any veda translation which is accepted by 100% Hindus???? aryasamadhis who claim to be real sanatani believe that puranas and upanishads are corrupted so your source of embryology is not authentic. whenever anyone write any translation of veda he give its source. your claim of upanishad is already rejected by aryasamadhis and you are at aryasamadhis site.

you have already accepted that only pathshala students know vedic Sanskrit so your claim if Sanskrit speakers is null and void if they are not Vedic pathshala students .

Arya Samajis Reject the puranas and Upanishads as long as they contradict the vedas and There is nothing wrong with It. And speaking of Garbha Upanishad, Do you know what a upanishad is ? It means upa- (nearby), ni- (at the proper place, down) and ṣad (to sit) thus: “sitting down near” . Upanishads are in the form of conversations between the Teacher and the student . The conversation is the explanation of the vedic concepts .It is like a teacher giving classroom notes to the students . We will oppose the teacher only if she teaches a concept with errors and this is a scientific approach . So Garbha Upanishad is the explanation of Embryology in Vedas .

And I asked you a question, You said that we depend on the translation of your fellow Hindu , WELL I ASK YOU AGAIN , NAME THE BOOK AND THE AUTHOR AND I WILL CHECK THE SAME VERSE AND SEE IF YOU ARE LYING. NOW DON’T RUN AWAY!!!

first understand arya samaj accept all books if it dont go against vedas or dont seem true eg we accept manusmriti and like swami dayand saraswati calculated the age of the universe using the puranas but we still believe it has been changed just like in upanishads and puranas we accept mny things but not all espically not all in the puranas as for good translation of hindu scriptures we only have mahabharta and ramayana as they have been read atleast once by most hindus all other books have not even been read by other hindus we also have many books unlike in religions like islam and christianity where islam has only quran and christians bible all christians and muslim read same holy books but in hinduism all hindus dont so it will be hard to find good translation by scholors but arya samaj read and accept vedas so they know vedas and translation more than all other hindus

that shankacharya and roshanlal arya who zakir naik brought to his conference were not even arya samaj or shankacharya and the guy who zakir claimed to be president of arya samaj when really there is no president of arya samaj he is a fraud claiming to be arya samaj just to get fame and support islam he is fake like swami agnivesh only difference swami agnivesh was in arya samaj but he has been doing things against arya samaj principles not upholding his status so he is no longer in arya samaj

@anti-agni I have full faith in Islamic Prophet Ali Sina. He is greatest prophet of Islam ever born. He has much greater understanding on Quran and Hadiths even than Mohammed. Mohammad had short term memory. That is why there are many contradiction in Quran. Mohammed was not aware what he told earlier and what he told latter. But Prophet Ali Sina is perfect person who knows every verse of Quran and rejects the contradictory things. Even Allah has sanctioned Ali Sina all allegations on Mohammed, Quran, & Islam. Do you not know when prophet Ali Sina was invited to Mubahila by Mr. Bhatt that wrong one would die within 90 days, Mr. Bhatti & his Muslim supporters invoked Allah curse on Sina. But after 90 days Ali Sina proved to be true because Allah did not do any harm of him. Through Mubahiia Prophet Ali Sina proved his sanctity. ( Mubahila, a Islamic way to find out the truth by cursing each-other, This way is sanctioned by prophet Mohammed in Quran)

@anti-agni ___________so i am showing you how he is making you fool________ Why not post at http://alisina.org/ your disagreements with him. I can see there also. It will be interesting how Ali Sina and his fans react and respond on your comments. You can win 100000 USD dollars also if you post there. He will shut down his website if fails to respond you. Muslim will have not to be humiliated more that they could not meet to ali Sina challange to till date. I am posting at his website also he was in conversation with me.

@jay. why should i bring islamhinduism guy? Read sanatani’s comment in which he called alu sin as prophet and what he has copy pasted fron alu sin’s website.

do you think that alu sin ever accept his fallacies? have you ever accepted that dayanda was wrong in believing iblis(satan) as Angel and moolshankar never read whole Quran, he relied upon his chelas for translations. you can believe alu sin as your personal saviour and god.

This is because you support him dont you? as for santana dharma he once said ali sina is my ideal but i dont think he said ali sina is my prophet if he has please show me? and dayanand saraswati was not wrong the verse clearly says the angel was made to bow to adam and iblis said no blame allah is he doesnt know what he is saying not dayanand allah should have said angels and jins its only when iblis told him the reason why he refuses as allah didnt know that allah got angry threw iblis out of paradise its only then that iblis was considered a jin (satan) before he was just like the angels and of similar rank probably was an angel himself but he was made of fire and nothing is wrong with translation of dayanand saraswati its only reference because of printing problem that they show in the wrong place but if you read the quran by islamic scholors like yusuf ali,marmaduke pickthall etc you will find the verse somewhere in the translation and no i dont believe is god or my saviour he is just an ex muslim dedicating his life to educate muslims about islam

@jay. here is alu sin’s debate ss he claim with qadri sb it is same format. Ali Sina Writes:

(Ali Sina) Since Dr. Naik presented 22 out of many errors of the Bible, let me present a short list of many errors of the Quran for him (or anyone) who cares to respond. All we need to prove that the Quran is not from God is one error while even hundreds of errors in the Bible do not necessarily disqualify it as a message of God.

My Response:

WOW ! Hilarious indeed !! One error is sufficient to disqualify the Quran but EVEN HUNDREDS don’t necessarily disqualify Bible from being the word of God. This is turning out to be funny. Great hypocrisy !! Praise the Bible a bit more so that answeringislam team doesn’t despise you for copying from their site. (I’ll show you later how he copies from answeringislam)

Ali Sina Writes:

1. Verse 21:33 says the sun and the moon yasbahun. This means both of them navigate or rotate around the earth and not around their own axis as Dr. Naik has claimed.

My Response:

The sun and the moon both revolve as well as rotate around their own axis. As Dr.Zakir Naik explained.

“The Arabic word used in the Qur’an is ‘Yasbahoon’, which describes the motion of a moving body. When it refers to a celestial body, it means it is rotating about its own axis”

How did Ali Sina conclude that they rotate and navigate around the earth?? No where does the Quran say such a thing. This means that they both rotate around their own axis as well as they revolve.

It indicates that both of them “rotate” as well as “revolve”.

The word “Yasbahoon” is derived from the word “sabaha” which describes the motion of a moving body. If its in water. It means “to swim” if it is on ground it means “to walk/run” when it is talking about a celestial body it means “to rotate” or “to revolve”

@anti-agni If you have disagreement why not refute ali Sina at his website http://alisina.org/ BTW what you think about Mubahila, Islamic way to find out the truth. Ali Sina is not wrong as it is proven to us. Allah also agree with Ali Sina views. Do you not know when Bhatti invited Prophet Ali Sina to Mubahila to find the truth. Finally, after 90 days Ali Sina come out to be true and his allegation on Mohammed were proved true & Allah sanctioned this.

5. Dr. Naik said that Islam is for all mankind. I showed that in verses 6:92 and 42:7 Muhammad said that he had come for the people of Mecca and its surrounding and in verses 32:03 and 36:6 he said that he was sent to people other than those who had already received divine guidance. According to these verses Muslims must stop propagating their faith in the Christian West.

My Response:

Ali Sina here again quotes the verses and mispresents them. Both the verses 6:92 and 42:7 say “Mother of cities and All Around her”

ALL around her means the full world. Mecca is the centre of the world and ALL around it is the full world. The verses of the Quran do not prove that Islam is only for Arabs Alone.

Suppose if I say “Centre of the circle and all around it” what does that imply? It means the full circle. Similarly Mecca is the centre of the world. When the Quran says “Mother of cities and ALL around her” it is referring to the full world.

And in other two verses Allah is saying that he has sent Muhammad (pbuh) to admonish the people to whom no guidance has come before. Does it say that “admonish only those people to whom no Warner had been sent”?? Definitely not !!! Allah (SWT) sends his final messenger, which is for the whole of humanity from those people, to whom a messenger had not been sent before.

Most of the Translations translate the word ‘nas’ as ‘mankind’ in the verses which Dr.Zakir Naik quoted i.e 14:52,2:185 and 39:41. But even if Ali Sina doesn’t agree. Still other verses prove that Quran is for entire humanity. Nowhere does the Quran say that it is only for the Arabs. He deliberately mispresented the verses he quoted to prove that.

More verses confirming Quran to be for entire humanity

“Blessed be He Who sent down the criterion (of right and wrong, i.e. this Quran) to His slave (Muhammad SAW) that he may be a warner to the Alameen (mankind and jinns).” (Quran 25:1)

“But it is nothing less than a Message to all the worlds.” (Quran 68:52)

“Verily this is no less than a Message to (all) the Worlds:” (Quran 81:27)

“And no reward you (O Muhammad SAW) ask of them (those who deny your Prophethood) for it, it(the Quran) is no less than a Reminder and an advice unto the Alameen (men and jinns).” (Quran 12:104)

hello anti agni and yes finally i saw santana dharma claiming ali sina as a prophet but you need to understand he is being sarcastic he is trying to say if muslims can believe muhammed was a prophet why cant we believe ali sina is a prophet? as for ali sina vs maulana ajmal qadri on ali sina.org i dont see what you claim ali sina wrote? nowhere does ali sina bring up zakir nak in the debate? where are you getting what ali sina wrote?

i wanted to say that as agniveer never debated with dr. zakir but he has mny dissections or analyse the zn’s articles. what he do which you can’t understand he take some lines of zn and comment according to his will. it can never be called debate and alu sin v ajmal qadri debate is same

.no normal person can say it debate.

if you want to see how debate happens just read zn vs rashmibhai bhai or xn vs william Campbell or search on you tube deedat vs anis sorrhosh.

i always understand what you want tio say but you peoples always ask explanations or you understand in wrong way. you can evaluate your reasoning powr and understanding of religions.

YOu are such a fool anti-agni(aka retard). Arya Samaj has requested to debate with naik the dumb ass a bunch of times, but he refuses to debate with Arya Samaj. Instead that idiot used a person who used to part of Arya Samaj and was kicked out because of gambling, drinking, and sleeping around. It just shows that naik relates only with scum bags and he himself is a scum bag. Your boy refuses to debate with people who are the real deal instead looks for some fakes just so he can try and falsely impress people. YOU ARE A FOOL TO FOLLOW THAT RETARD. AND IT MAKES YOU A RETARD.

agniveer never said he had debate with zakir naik he wants to have debate with zakir naik even answering islam and ali sina have sent invitions for debates but zakir naik doesnt accept instead zakir naik chooses his people who knows he can beat eg ravi shankar who isnt a scholor or pandit of any scripture even then that wasnt even a debate it was a religious diaglogue to make peace but zakir naik acts like refuted ravi shankar and willam campell isnt a scholor or apologist he is just a christian missionary that attacked islam and ahmed deedat he is somebody muslims to like say beat christiasn but the truth is he didnt have debates with scholors or hebrew knowing people his debate with anis shrosh was famous because he could speak arabic ahmed deebat only had debates with preachers and missionaries and few christian apologists like josh mcdoewell like jay smith there are only few good muslims apologists/preachers that are good so dont follow people like IERA,peace tv etc espically not muslim preachers they know nothing

@sanatani. i think you are totally out of order. why should i prove alusin wrong if he doesn’t have any faith any stand any truth? Why you want to be written thousand times. i challenge alusina or any aryasamaji to prove me wrong and condition is that i’ll play role of atheist. i challenge alusina that prove there God exists .

it is very amazing situation that agniveerya and aryssamaji ideology deny any need of prophets but you believe that alusina is your prophet. hahaha

it is like budhus that budha always rejected idols and idol worship and now budhists have gautam bydha’s idol in every budhist temple.

@anti-agni ___________is that i’ll play role of atheist__________ Who said you Islamic Prophet Ali Sina in an atheist. Islamic Prophet Ali Sina is believer in God but not believer in Allah. Here is Prophet words

“Now, you can believe in God, but know that he is not sending any messages via third persons. The message of God is in every atom in this universe. It is all around you and the key to understanding His message is through science.

God does not play favoritism and does not speak to any person more than others. His message is universal and for everyone. You can understand the message of God just as fine as anyone else. You don’t have to follow anyone. Observe the universe with inquisitiveness and scientific mind and you will see the message of God all around you. As a Persian poet said, every leaf of every tree is a book of the knowlege of God.”http://alisina.org/blog/2011/07/28/what-if-god-exists/

The problem is not the belief in God. The problem starts when some individulas claim to be messengers of God. Then they demand obedience and submission and all they do is mislead people with their lies and cause disunity and hate. Nothing divides mankind more than religion.

@anti-agni Hello brother, here is offer for you Prophet Ali Sina words/Massage for the people like you “I am open for debate and I have even offered $50,K to anyone who can prove me wrong. If you are not a scholar encourage one and if he wins I give $50 k dollars to each one of you.

Muhammad instead ran away from logic. He would say don\’t argue with others because they will not believe it anyway, just kill them.

It really takes very stupid people to believe in that freaking murderer, the worst man ever born, the very personification of devil and the only person that would make Hitler look like a good person. “

@anti-agni Muslim are brainwashed by their Mullaz. They are not able to understand anything. They live in dreams where Jinn, angle, 72 hoors, prophets, miracle exist but in real world there is no place for such things.

@sanatani. aryasamajis are dumbest peoples fooled by moolshankar lcan’t understand simple things and most notorious example is you yourself . You are so dumb that moolshankar died explaining there is no need of prophets but you say ali sinna is aryasamajis prophet? hahaha

we didnt say ali sina was our prophet and you ask ‘why should i prove alusin wrong if he doesn’t have any faith any stand any truth?’ this is because has many claims about islam and muhammed why dont you refute him and show him his claims are wrong? as for buddha he didnt say idol worship is wrong you muslims need to start to stop acting like you understand eastern beliefs you people know nothing you people look at eastern beliefs with abrahamic view it is too deep for you to understand buddhists dont believe in a god they dont worship buddha they do devotional mediation they have statue of buddha but they dont worship the statue of buddha if any buddhists do i dont know why he never said he was god or talking about god

Anti-agni really is a little girl. The guy has been proven that his crazy desert religion is made up, and his religion is a joke. And now he runs around like a maniac throwing suicide temper tantrums. He needs to stop pouting when he gets demoted like the little fool he is. I have clearly shown evidence as to how ridiculous his religion is.

It basically says to go find a cow. Sacrifice it. And cut a piece of it out. And hit a murder victim with that piece of cow. And that murder victim will tell you who is the murderer. Yeah, that was my reaction too. The muslims believe this really happened. I mean seriously, who the hell is so F**ken stupid to believe this really happened. And if it is true, we should arm every police officer in the world with a piece steak. And that way there will never be an unsolved murder. This really has to be the biggest joke in the world. I ask everyone to actually watch this video and see how stupid this story is.

@anti-agni Why Ali Sina can not be prophet of Islam? He deserve to be called prophet of Islam. He has better understanding of Quran, hadiths than other Islamic people like Mohammed and other scholars of Islam. He is irrefutable to till date. No Muslim scholar dare to debate with him? He even claims to give 100000 USD dollars if someone proves him wrong and shut down his site permanently. Veda, a way of living (Ishopanishad Mantra 1)http://agniveer.com/ishopanishad-mantra-1/

which arya samaji clearly said ali sina is our prophet? why you taking it literally if that ever was mentioned my friend you are not worth talking to bring your islamic scholors/apologists like the guy from answering christianity,islmhinduism,islamic awareness im happy to have a discussion with them

@jay. you have searched for truth and whichever religion you want to follow its your choice but i can say that islam is only true religion otherwise you have to face hell.

your fellow aryasamajis regularly write prophet to agniveer and alu sin and they never say we are not taking it literally? your skill to understand questions is very low and i think every aryasamaji is either become dumb when join aryasamaj or he never try to understand Muslims points. you can read previous comments of your fellow aryasamajis.

you can’t analyse alusina’s debates. forget islamhinduism you can’t answer me. just try to search what system veda can give to world . can you identity any Vedic society in history which is totally based on veda?

hello anti agni if you reject jesus as god according to christians you will also face hell and if they do say that they are being sarcastic do you muslims as you believe in prophets and as for arya samaj i respect all eastern beliefs they are all rational and good its only abrahamic beliefs that are a threat to the world and you say forget islam support even though you support them and what do you mean i cant answer you i answered everything you say and no in the last 2000 years there is no vedic society as india has been invaded many times and many hindu have not read veda most hindus have read ramayana and mahabharta and thats it and i have seen what islamic society can do to the world the good examples are the muslim countries?

@sanatani. you are unable to understand what debate is so my comments are beyond your capabilities of understanding . read first debate with shite aalim how could you say thay alusin have won? Shite aalim continually asking what is your point what you want to prove then what alusin replied? he said truth is beyond the understanding no one can show the truth to others. so how could alusin show us truth?

he himself denying his credibility, why should i believe him? As i already said that you can deny or reject anything but it can’t form any society . what guidance alusin can show except rejecting? same thing i am saying from many days that if i take an atheist place and start rejecting everything then no one can win with me.

regarding qadri sb i am saying that debate is fake and how could you think that a maulana can’t give any reference from Quran or hadhith. why should i shy if so many Muslims including me continually giving references at agniveer. if alusin want to modify his page according to his will then what can we do? Can he come at my page and win debate with me?

I don’t have enough time otherwise i can post a debate between me and alusin and you’ll see that how pathetic will be alusin. that debate will be same ss qadri sb vs alusin . i will take some lines from alusin’s page and comment on that and regularly keep on writing that why you can’t prove your stand. poor alusin never know that. he is debating. only sheikh deedat is enough to counter all christs.

thanx yo accept that Quran is protected. just try to memorise rigveda then you could understand why only Quran is protected.

@anti-agni//Quran is not universal book because it has history and its teaching also not universal, eternal & everlasting Can I know why you hate Prophet Ali Sina. What wrong he is supporting? Ali Sina also against rape, terrorism, looting, hate on name of believers and non-believers. When Mr. Bhatti invited to Ali Sina to Mubahila to decide the truth and falsehood. What was wrong in prophet reply to Bhatti. The reply was Mubahila, is a silly practice that Muhammad institutionalized in the Quran. When he was still not powerful to kill his detractors, he would invite them to curse each other so the one who is wrong may die. Mr. Bhatti I accept that you pray so I die within 90 days. I will however not pray for your death, but rather your enlightenment. I harbor no ill faith towards anyone. You seem to think that by invoking evil on me, I will die. Now, the fact is that anyone can die at any time. No one can be certain to live the next day. So there is always a chance that either one of us die in these coming 90 days. This should be attributed to chance and not to the effect of cursing. Quran 3.61: If any one disputes in this matter with thee, now after (full) knowledge Hath come to thee, say: “Come! let us gather together,- our sons and your sons, our women and your women, ourselves and yourselves: Then let us earnestly pray, and invoke the curse of Allah on those who lie!”

@jay. good answer but i am saying that ill change my id and will pretend as atheist and reject everything like alusina then who can win debate with me?

I have searched debate forum of alusin but i haven’t identified any scholar from Muslims side, how could be they renowned scholarship? i have given some weight to ajmal qadri but after reading that debate i convinced that it is not debate. you haven’t said anything on pattern of debate?

that debate is like. agniveer analyse speeches of zakir naik…can you say it debate? you are educated person and i am sure that you know debates symposium seminars discussion more. than me. you should be honest while analysing anything .

@Anti-Agni ___________change my id and will pretend as atheist ___________ Firstly, prophet Ali Sina nowhere said he is an atheist. He said he do not believe in Allah. Not believing in Allah does not mean atheist. _________everything like alusina then who can win debate with me________ Ali Sina does not reject everything. His approach is scientific & logical that is why he says Islam is against science. You can discuss to him logically and scientifically. If you will say Earth rotate around the sun, earth is not flat . He will accept your claim. _______i haven’t identified any scholar from Muslims side_____ Many muslim scholar debated with him get defeated many times. It is shame on Muslim that no Muslim trying to debate with him. Have not you read this debatedhttp://alisina.org/blog/2012/03/07/islam-the-religion-ofs-moral-relativism/ _________you know debates symposium seminars discussion more_____ Criticizing Islam means calling to one’s death. Do you have guts to criticize Islam openly? Taliban and Pakistani terrorist will end your life within no seconds. People like Osama, Afjal, Kasab can do anything for prophet. Killing the apostate is highest virtue as per Islam. But after 9/11 and 26/11 people are understanding all concept in Islam. Muslim Mullah are living in fear advising Muslim not to visite alisina, agniveer, faithfreedom etc. because they know Islam is false and can not prove Islam as true religion.

@sanatani, i dont knw how could be you peoples so dumb? read your comment again “___you know debates symposium seminars discussion more_____ Criticizing Islam means calling to one’s death. Do you have guts to criticize Islam openly? Taliban and Pakistani terrorist will end your life within no seconds. People like Osama, Afjal, Kasab can do anything for prophet. Killing the apostate is highest virtue as per ”

what i have said and what you are writing? i have said that alusin vs maulana qadri debate is not looking debate because being maulana he has not use any hadtith or quran, there was no refutation of alusin’s points from maulana’s side. it is looking like agniveer comments on ZN speeches. if anyone who knows what debate is, read that so called debate then he can know that is total fake. if you still think alusin is your god then it is your choice.

@Anti-Agni/Quran is not universal book because it has history and its teaching also not universal, eternal & everlasting _______no refutation of alusin’s points from maulana’s side____ What is fault of Ali Sina in it if Moulana could not give anything From Quran and Hadiths to prove Islam true religion. It is shame on Muslim scholars they could not meet to the challenge of Ali Sina to till date. Here is series of debate of Ali Sin with Muslim scholars. These are interesting debate and we learn many things .http://alisina.org/blog/category/debates/

ali sina and his group of ex muslims are not pretending they are speaking what they see as truth and they know islam more than non muslims do and if you say you can pretend to be athiest and no body can refute you why dont you leave islam and prove it? agniveer hasnt had debate with zakir naik but he wants to have debate zakir naik and peace tv team have never have had good debates the maulana vs ali sina debate was a debate but the maulana couldnt address ali sina claims also your comment for santana many have memorised the vedas but the vedas is not recition like the quran it is for understanding and studying as for ahmed deedat he didnt have debate with scholors many of ahmed deedat claims have been answered

@sanathani. i am unable to understand that sudden declaration of a person that i have started reading and writing then how could it be a miracle? will you not say that he may have learn in secret? reading and writing is such a big thing?

alusina is making you fool. i have visited it msny times . there is a debate between alusina vs maulana qadri but i. can’t understand how could it be a debate? if you read it seems that a supposed maulana. has written something and alusina has analysed his ie maulana’s article or mail. Being a maulana qadri sb has not given any reference from Quran or hadhith and whole debate is out of order and one sided. there is no correlation between qadri sb and alusina’s comments. alusins is analysing every word of maulana but maulana is never touching any point of alusin?

Have you seen such. Debate in your life? In debate debaters try. to counter every point but that debate even don’t have any topic. i have seen many debates but after reading that debate i was amazed that visitors were saying that alusin is best debator?

Mr. sanatani it is very easy to reject anything but proving anything is very tough. I an challenging every aryasamaji or Christian or any religious person that he can’t win debate with me if i take part of an atheist . ill simply reject everything . alusin says that he believe in logic and in a God which can be proved through logic. i am challenging alusin through you or any mai ka baap that he debate with me logically that God exist. i can very easily counter all the comments very easily because i have nothing to defend. i will have no ideology no concept no system. no belief nothing to defend then how could you defeat me? Will anyone take the challenge including alusin? Will you prove that veda is necessary?

@sanatani. you may think it as miracle but no one can accept except alusinna. you are unable to understand that prophet Muhammad’s mother tongue was arabic and he was un letterd. suppose if he started arabic reading and writing then will you accept it as miracle? will you not say that it is very easy to learn your mother tongue in secret? there are so many miracles in Quran and Quran is miracle forever but you’ll not accept it? Suppose i don’t know chinese then you’ll say that if you know Chinese then it may be a miracle but if i know Chinese already then you’ll say if you know French then an it may be a miracle Chinese is nothing . Suppose prophet Muhammad started to study in secret

Please show miracles for peace in Afghanistan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt , Somalia and elsewhere. It is the might of the State or opponents which wields the sword of strength and innocent people suffer and some have miraculous escape to migrate. Neither Allah nor God nor ishwar can come to protect or rescue them. Certain things are good in Quran but only in theory to tell or propagate Islamic ideology. Horde of believers attack weak and helpless in name of Jehad and they do not spare even the believers. Why Sunnies kill Shias and vice versa?

@sanatani, will you accept that you have copy pasted from alu sina’s comment? ——-If you have never learned English how to read, write, speak & Suddenly you start to read, write and speak English. What could be the greater miracle than this?—–

do you want to say any foreign language?

prophet Muhammad s.a.w give quran in arabic and it was his mother tongue and arabic was mother tongue of those peoples so they can say that you may have studied from any educated person??? how could be it a miracle? will you support everything from alu sinn?

you dont know about your fellow hinduu rashtra? npli means nepali cpn means communist party of nepal. do you know nepal has mao wadi party in government ? why they have communist or maotse tungs concept? whay not veda’s concept? what is financial sysytem of veda? is interest allowed? is talaq allowed? what is social sysytem of veda? what political sysytem of veda? is there any vedic society in history? these are the questions.

peoples require political system, moral, spiritual, financial, and social system…what are the guidance of veda on it? why npl which is total hindos country not interested to base their systems on veda? don’t answer philosophically it can never help. islam is complete in all the respects..it has total guidance.

you can read “islam ka nizam e hayat” by maulana maududi only 24 pages book. ultimate book on this topic. you can give me your address i can send you through post. hindi translation is islam ki jeevan vyavastha. and english translation is islamic way of life. it has been translated in about 50 languages of the word.

_ @Anti-Agni/Quran is not universal book because it contain history __________will you accept that you have copy pasted from alu sina’s comment_____________ Ali Sina is my ideal. He is role model for me. I am great fan. He is irrefutable scholar. Yes, I take many comments from Ali Sina. He never blocked my ID. your Islamic sites have blocked my Id several time. They have no guts. __________do you want to say any foreign language___________ I have told in general. Suppose, you have not learned a language it may be Hindi, English, chines etc and suddenly you start to read, write and speak that language. Is it not miracle?

Ok, what we are discussing here is about spirituality and eternal aspect of vedas. You want to know where did vedas talk about interest,political system,morals,financial….. One point should be clear is that Vedas do have a lot of morals and they lay down the various duties of every individual (Which is essentially Social structure) and speaks about the qualities and duties of a king (Political system) . And Moreover we have Manu Smriti and Dharma Shastras which guides us on all these issues. Now Arthashastra Deals in detail with Finance,Taxation,Pricing,laws on contract , law on goods ,Civil law , criminal law and so on…… Now if Quran was a revealed text , It means Kautalya was smarter than Allah because he gave very advanced Commercial and Social rules and Laws Before Allah AND HE LIVED A VEDIC LIFE. Moreover Quran is just a proof showing the incompetency of Allah to send the message just once .He needs amendments to his previous rules and regulations .But veda is final and eternal . It applies to all ages and situations

_________i am illiterate and suddenly i started reading and writing then will you not say that someone may have taught you____ If you have never learned English how to read, write, speak & Suddenly you start to read, write and speak English. What could be the greater miracle than this? _________you have not answered on veda and npli cpn and mao party_____ Please explain me what is Mao party and npli cpn. Write the full form? What you want to say explain? ____________Why you can’t answer on veda________ You can question to me about Veda, but you should to know what is Veda? Veda are eternal, everlasting and universal truths. If any truth is not eternal, everlasting & universal that is not Veda. God is eternal & universal entity and his/her teaching also would be eternal and universal. These truth are perfect and unchangeable. When one works hard in search of truth God reveals the truths to that person. Like God revealed the scientific truths to scientist.

True that miracles do not happen. Magician or some self styled religious leaders like late Sai Baba learnt magic or acting to cheat people. But God is a great saviour and come rescue of good persons. I have experiences of his benevolence.

@sanatani. your point has no meaning. i have already told you that alu sin has posted this comment in response of zitsi. you are just defending a meaningless point.

suppose i am illiterate and suddenly i started reading and writing then will you not say that someone may have taught you? Specially when i used to visit ghare hira? Mojza is Quran and huzoor was not illiterate but he was unletterd.

why you have not answered on veda and npli cpn and mao party? Veda has no guidance for humanity…no solution for problems.

anti agni why dont you reply to any of my comments? many muslims have left islam i can you name of many muslim clerics/preachers that left islam for other religion weather it is christianity,hinduism,judaism,modern athiesm etc as for muslim websites who are against agniveer and attacking him when they can not refute bigger anti muslim websites i can tell you i can refute many of their articles espically if they come on this website im a new arya samaji and im still learning i believe strongly in what swami dayanand saraswati said when he said to accept truth and reject falsehood

@jay. i don’t know what you want fron me? You peoples are not honest in accepting anything from Muslims point of view. you become biased and fool when talk to any muslim. Just search yusuf estates or islamtomorrow.com and you’ll know how many Muslims are leaving islam. i or we never say that millions are accepting islam but we say that islam is fastest growing religion and we don’t work like Christian missionaries ie we don’t sale our believe. or purchase anyone’s belief. you peoples usually say that millions of Muslims coming back to ancestoral religion ? Do you understand how much peoples will be if it is 3 or 5 million? can you show me one million in whole India?

some may have left islam but most of them not leave because they found any other religion more suitable and convincing in their search of spirituality . but most of the peoples who accept islam they accept it because they found islam convincing and answer of every question . Becoming neutral from religion is another thing and accepting another religion is different . there are more Hindus and Christian who are neutral from there religion . how much Hindus read or understand veda? Most of the Hindus say that everything is ok because they haven’t found any convincing answer in hindism.

First of all you keep talking nonsense you havent answered anything second i was hinduagnostic so i was open minded i was already to stop believing in god but i wanted to see if belief system had some answers and i think the eastern beliefs are good but the thing is taoism,confuism are popular in places like china and buddhism is good but they dont really believe in god so i looked to sikhism and more monthiestic view through arya samaj based only in vedas can you muslims do the samething? no you will not and will say only islam is the truth and no you muslims are just like christians you preach all the time you promote islam in everyway and no most people who convert are christians because muslims accept jesus but give a more simple view and option that jesus was simply a prophet and just a human being and now your wrong again most hindus are secular and say there are many paths to a god religion is there just as identity we believ in humanity but other belief bring religion into everything

you can never say that Islam is convincing. actually Islam does not convince a rational mind. moreover your prophet is notorious for many acts and it is impossible that he would be God’s messenger.moreover I request you to read the article “god must be crazy ” in this website and rebut each and every point. moreover Islam is against non Muslims.the truth can’t be hidden for long.the main reason Islam is still surviving is because of media censorship in Islamic countries.and it has no new science in it , I mean a lot of scientific facts given in quran were know to Indians before quran was even written.and sharia law is barbaric. the only reason why you support Islam was because you were born in a Muslim family.your karma decides it. and btw we give respect to all living creatures unlike your barbaric cult which kill animals to satisfy your taste buds.

There are people like Zakir Naik who proclaim Islam is the only true religions. However, worldover, muslims are being considered as nuisance.Muslim countries are the most backward and 50% of their population, i.e. women are forced to live like slaves, covered all over and are at the mercy of their men, who can throw them out simply uttering talaq three times. Let Zakir Naik explain the world; 1. Why all terrorists are muslims? 2. Why all the muslim countries are backward 3. Why Islam commands to kill the non muslims 4. Why they do idol worship at Kaba 5. Why Ali Sina’s challange has not been anwered by him till date 6. All the great preachers/prophets used gospels to tell their message, why Muhammad used sword 7. Establishment of Islam in Mecca through war, was it not an act of terrorism. Is there any other example whther any prophet attacked any city to give his message? 8. If ISLAM teaches brotherhood, why SHIAS and Sunnis fight like dogs, Sunnis are killing Ahmediyas in Pakistan

@jay. islam Hinduism site contains a link as mp arya ko jawab which is an audio and in that reply islam Hinduism thoroughly refuted some points of mp including ajajeel.

As i have already said you can find a video of debate between tariq sb and mp. arya in which mp arya said that Allah ordered ajajeel to. Bring dust. there are many videos of mp. arya on you tube and he frequently say ajajeel.

show me where in the video he says that im not saying your wrong but i dont remember if he acyually said ajajeel as for islamhinduism they made a video where they try to answer the questions of mp arya they didnt refute anything

@jay. you are totally out of order. have you listened that islamhinduism reply to mp arya? It is the problem mr. jay that without reading anything you show too much. mp arya ko jawb is not video and you are saying mp arya answered to that video?

@sanatani. why you want that topic must be repeated all the time? Can you show me anyy vedic society? why we believe in agniveer samajis translation only? why we reject translation which is accepted by 99% Hindus and obviously that translation is much older than dayanda?

Veda only leads to idol worship and casteism but you peoples for the sake of Hinduism change the translation and try to show something which is not real meanings of veda. why should i translate gau to charity or knowledge? why should i take everything as symbolic?

And for Quran you try to give such meanings which was never accepted by majority of muslims? Is it not double standard? We have an example of society based on quran and historically proved.

@sanatani. because how could you know that Allah exists or not? through Quran and prophet Muhammad and who brought wahi? Angel jibraeel alaihissalam and if i reject the presence of malaika then how could i believe in quran and know Allah? how could i know how to worship Allah? i have to believe every word of Quran true and jinn is mentioned in quran so i have to believe .

tell me why should i not believe chong ping as indian pm with mam sngh? What is the problem if. i reject cji? can you show me anything without any system?

Please tell me what is political system of veda? Why npli country can’t base its political system on hinduism or veda? Why npl has moist party and cpn? What is marriage and talaq system of veda? What is economical system. in veda? Which country has adobted it or trying to adobt? Is interest allowed in veda? Id talaq allowed in veda?

Can you identify any vedic society in history except birth based caste system and brahmin superiority? you are highly infected by inferiority complex so you want to impose a book which has nothing except hindi origin.

@Anti-Agni “Instead of directly giving his message to mankind Allah chooses and illiterate man to be his messenger, who performs all sorts of miracles but is not able to perform the most useful miracle of reading and writing. But Allah does not speak to this messenger directly. He sends another messenger to be the go between, i.e. Angle Gabriel. Apparently this angle also was not very well identifiable because Satan comes in between and while Gabriel recites the verses to Muhammad, Satan utters some other words and neither Muhammad nor Gabriel notice it. After a while Gabriel finds out what Muhammad has done and tell him those verses were not him. That is when Muhammad realizes that they are satanic verses. One would expect God act a bit more judicially in revealing his most important revelation to mankind. But obviously he is also an ignoramus like his prophet.”

@Anti-Agni ________do you think reading and writing is miracle____ What could be greatest miracle if an illiterate man read and write? _____am i performing a miracle____ You are not illiterate, you are educated and learned how to read and write. You can read and write there is no miracle.

@anti-agni ____________Why you can’t answer on veda________ You can question to me about Veda, but you should to know what is Veda? Veda are eternal, everlasting and universal truths. If any truth is not eternal, everlasting & universal that is not Veda. God is eternal & universal entity and his/her teaching also would be eternal and universal. These truth are perfect and unchangeable. When one works hard in search of truth God reveals the truths to that person. Like God revealed the scientific truths to scientist. ________veda has nothing except azadi to do anything_____ Whatever is universal and eternal truth like Earth rotate around the sun, “The moving moon always receives a ray of light from sun” etc are Veda. If you think Azadi means killing of innocent, raping the woman, etc are not Veda.http://agniveer.com/science-in-vedas/

You need to understand there are many fake babas who know nothing about hindu scriptures espically not vedas most hindu scholors follow many books but arya samaj scholors only follow vedas and know vedas better than hindu scholors know vedas eg hinduscholors may know more about mahabharta than arya samaj but arya samaj scholors know more about vedas than other scholrs which is why zakir naik brought fake shankaracharya and fake president of arya samaj to his conference because they are looked as more knowledgable about hindu scriptures as for vedas most hindus dont read vedas and those who have didnt understand as for quran we only read quran from islamic scholors no body else

Many things in Quranic ideology are from Vedic philosophy but Islam only follows Quran in theory and not in practice. In Namaj Nam is Naman or surrender to God called Aj in vedas and Aj means Ajanma God. Perhaps Haj is pilgrimage to holy Qaba where Vedik name Aj of Ajanma God was propagated. Even Mahamedha in Sanskrit means Maaha + medha. Maha means Mahaan and Medha means enlightened one i.e. one who has realized God and fought against infidel priests who had made business of the religion to cheat the common masses. Foolish people worship idols while Ved and Quran are against idol worship which leads the worshiper nowhere. Vedic civilization followed path of love, peace and ahinsa i.e. non-violence and pursuasion while Islam practiced violence to subdue infidels. Learned Hindu priests acknowledge authority of Vedas but do not defy idol worship. What is to be followed is Ram Charit Manas i.e. ideal Manviya Charitra of Ram but most of Hindus prostrate before imaginary idol of Ram to fulfill their desires with their false belief. No bhagwan or god came to rescue of Hindu idols, temples and disappearing population of Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh. But foolhardiness continues unabated in India. Hindu leaders too have eye on substantial minority vote in chess of elections.

@pravin. mahendra paal is deceiving you. you can see his debate with tariq Abdullah sb on you tube. he always say that Allah ordered ajajeel to bring dust?? There is no ajajeel in Quran. and it shows that he doesn’t know Quran . i don’t know in which masjid he was imam but you peoples have habit exaggerate. the things .

just go to Islam Hinduism. website and u can listen detail jawab to mp arya. Actually you reject everything every faith every boik while debate so it seems that opposition left with nothing to say.

i have challenged many times to mp arya and still i am waiting, he has not answered me.

that what you muslims say your abdullah tariq from peace tv couldnt answer his questions as for that video from islamhinduism that video is complete nonsense mahendera pal arya replied back to islamhinduism admins they have not replied back publicily ever sense and you making claims we exagerate we dont you muslim exagarate the most you say people are accepting islam but you dont show the milions who left islam and if you really did challenged him i dont why he would reply but i think he should reply to peopl like you who has already been refuted

dear sanjeev jaziya was not the normal govt tax. It is the tax muslims take from non muslims to allow them to visit their religious places. If it was the tax to protect people it should have been taken from muslims also. Akbar banned this jeziya, so do you think he din fought battles. jeziya is written in sharia itself. islam cud be a way that leads to god, no doubt in that but muslim ideology that its the only way to reach god is wrong and opposite to almost every religious ideology. This is the reason ISLAM is most intolerant religion in world.

@Ankur : dear brother it sems we are in a fix here 🙂 may i request you to use a full name rather than just “Ankur” as i am engaged in multiple threads with this name and to for me to change it will lead to confusion for me and the others am engaged with. Thanks

As my friend told that we should follow ISLAM to be be succesful in life i suppose he knows ISLAM quite well, atleast more than hindus. ISLAM could be right in each and every way but this is a bitter truth they have done masacares on the name of mohammad. The history speaks for itself. Hinduism is not a religion. It is a mixture of diverse cultures which lived in peace for thousands of years. I feel pity on you. Move your islamic glasses and you will see things clearly.

@ Raj Kumar First I want to introduce my self I’m an ex-Muslim and humanist, let us come on topic You have claimed that they give answer like a parrot, and you also said you embrace Islam along with your three friends. That’s good but I want to know about your background and I’ll ask some questions to you and please answer honestly. 1 What made you to embrace Islam? (Aapne Islam kyun kaboola?)