I don't think they're getting quite the free pass you expect. There are a few overly zealous defenders of the game on this forum and the official, but ANet is busy banning and deleting posts for a reason. Just as many, if not more, folks are tired of them.

Some are in already and other havew yet to be put in and others were taken out because players were exploiting them. There is nothing new that hasn't been done with any other game out there.

Diablo III login fiasco at the start of the game. WoW log in fiasco, Rift bots and gold spammers along with stolen accounts, etc. I could go on. It happens as games are written by humans.

There we go again. You don't have to tell me about mess up in other games. I myself mentioned the AOC and the storm and anger it created when players realised that bar fights and other features that were promsied were missing from the release.

My post was simply a dig at the hardcore defenders who have been saying 'Anet delieverd everything it promised' and used to place them in heavens for always keeping their word. 'In Anet we trust' was their slogan.

I think everyone knows they are human..but these fans didn't relise that there are humans in other game companies too. I was simply talking a shot at the over zealous supporters. They do more harm than good.. Sooner o later this was going to blow in their face.

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Originally posted by taus01

Originally posted by TheIronLegion

Sounds more like youre grasping at straws to me. Anet is sticking to their game plan and keeping the game as grind free as possible. But at the same time they want to deliver new content and new things to work towards for the players who like shiny things. Trying to find a happy balance between the two is hard - hell, I'd like to see you try it in practice.

But what's most astounding is that people are doing all this whining, bitching and moaning and are totally forgetting one fact. We're barely 3 months into the game's release and they're already bringing us new content.

On top of that their time table was very tight. They had August to release, september to prepare for the Holloween event, and then octover/early november to prepare for this. The fact that they are so organized internally that they can pull all of this off in a timely manner is quite impressive. Three months into release most other games were still fixing class balance issues and terrain glitches.

Which is what they should be doing since there are still hundreds of class bugs, balance issues and terrain glitches!

Not to mention them spending time on developing a "diminishing rewards system" to make up for their bad dungeon design that was so full of holes (literally) that every single dungeon had a shortcut. Yes, every single one had at least one exploit or still has them.

Screw the new content, fix the game.

And what you're missing is that they are fixing them. Did you know that when the Lost Shores opens there will be a patch to add massive class changes; Some 20+ changes to the engineer alone. Most terrain glitches have been plugged up. Most DE's have been fixed though there's no denying the still existing broken ones. Most of the dungeons have been updated and shortcuts done away with. So your point is moot. They have multiple different teams working on different things. They are more than capable of fixing the game and bringing us new content at the same time. They can pat their head and rub their tummy too.

Yep. This is a situation where better understanding of how devs actually work would help a lot. There is no magic 'Fix it' Wand. Things intended to spackle up one problem can introduce issues in other areas. Smart companies actually make changes with slow deliberation, so as not to introduce new and perhaps more deadly problems.

It's not like the artists are going to be much good figuring out coding issues. And it makes no sense to backburner things on their roadmap to only work on bugfixes. The bugs are probably prioritized, both by the game issues they cause, and the difficulty of doing the fix.

It's the nature of the beast, and if you want it done differently, you better find a different beast.

If you are holding out for the perfect game, the only game you play will be the waiting one.

Some are in already and other havew yet to be put in and others were taken out because players were exploiting them. There is nothing new that hasn't been done with any other game out there.

Diablo III login fiasco at the start of the game. WoW log in fiasco, Rift bots and gold spammers along with stolen accounts, etc. I could go on. It happens as games are written by humans.

There we go again. You don't have to tell me about mess up in other games. I myself mentioned the AOC and the storm and anger it created when players realised that bar fights and other features that were promsied were missing from the release.

My post was simply a dig at the hardcore defenders who have been saying 'Anet delieverd everything it promised' and used to place them in heavens for always keeping their word. 'In Anet we trust' was their slogan.

I think everyone knows they are humans... i was simply talkign about the over zealous supporters. They do more harm than good.

Actually overzealous EITHER WAY is not helpful. I am taking a wait and see attitude here.

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Let it go. Every forum out there is accussed of this. It's is a private forum. If they wanted to delete out the word 'the' from everything they wanted, they could. Just go do an unoficial thread.

Also,

For all of this supposed cesorship, I sure do see a lot of negative stuff on their forums to wonder who is moderateing for letting all of this bad stuff on their, but missing those all the ones that apply to only certain invidicuals.

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I'm just glad they are banning all the QQers. I just hope to see all these people out of the game asap, seriously. Those people are the plague of every single MMO because most of them are MMO hoppers and they won't ever be happy with any kind of MMO because they don't know how to love a great game for what it is, even if they clearly bought a game that wasn't for them.

Also, yeah like every single MMO ever had everything they promise on launch day.... At least Anet is able to fix content/bugs while being able to release new content, something most MMO devs aren't still able to do.

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Originally posted by SirFubar

I'm just glad they are banning all the QQers. I just hope to see all these people out of the game asap, seriously. Those people are the plague of every single MMO because most of them are MMO hoppers and they won't ever be happy with any kind of MMO because they don't know how to love of game for what it is, even if they clearly bought a game that wasn't for them.

Also, yeah like every single MMO ever had everything they promise on launch day.... At least Anet is able to fix content/bugs while being able to release new content, something most MMO devs aren't still able to do.

If you can't stand QQers, then perhaps this game is not the right one for you. For us fans, we know that many will not agree with Arenanet and that the QQ will happen; that is something we accepted when we decided to buy GW2. So again: if you don't like the QQ: you can always quit the game.

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I am kind of sick of all the whiners out there. We lead by majority rule, not vocal minority. All this gnashing of teeth and stamping of feet just has to stop.

1. They fixed the security - bots, etc are almost non-exsistant

2. They are trying to give the MAJORITY what was asked, I don't think that is bad.

Did they fix the botting issue or do something about it recently? A friend and I play on Maguuma and we've spent countless times reporting botting. They were everywhere and lots of them.

Then suddenly this last week we were talking and realized we hadn't seen a single bot in about a week. Not one. Nadda. Nothing. Plus as of this week I've been playing quite a bit. I just haven't noticed any bots. Not a single one in a weeks time.

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I am kind of sick of all the whiners out there. We lead by majority rule, not vocal minority. All this gnashing of teeth and stamping of feet just has to stop.

1. They fixed the security - bots, etc are almost non-exsistant

2. They are trying to give the MAJORITY what was asked, I don't think that is bad.

Did they fix the botting issue or do something about it recently? A friend and I play on Maguuma and we've spent countless times reporting botting. They were everywhere and lots of them.

Then suddenly this last week we were talking and realized we hadn't seen a single bot in about a week. Not one. Nadda. Nothing. Plus as of this week I've been playing quite a bit. I just haven't noticed any bots. Not a single one in a weeks time.

See my post.

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Originally posted by TheIronLegion

Originally posted by MsGamerlady

I'm thinking they're deleting post that aren't constructive. They're similar to these forums where you have many post by frustrated consumers who don't know how to breach an issue with out being overly dramatic. Tactful well thought out post go a long way in relations to a company. If one can't do that any clamoring will be by and large non-productive.

*bows* perfect. Best response award.

Really, I was thinking *the opposite*, considering how the OP in question was the most constructive, well thought out post I've seen in years.

The idiocy and fanboism in this thread is astounding. Not releasing planned changes WEEKS in advance is a terrible practice in any game. In 10+ years of MMOs, I have seen countless of examples of terrible design decisions being reversed or changed prior to patch going live because people were given ample time to discuss them, do the math, and bring to light issues with them BEFORE the devs just push them live and potentially cause permanent damage to the game. Using “get rich quick” schemes as an excuse to avoid this common industry practice is just pure stupidity.

Btw, it’s also a terrible practice to NOT have a scheduled down time for patches and hotfixes and to feel it’s perfectly fine to kitten on your customers with a 3 minute notice before you boot them from the game while they’re in the middle of an event or a dungeon run. Anyone defending such practice is either ignorant or blinded with their infatuation for the game.

This post will probably be deleted for making too much sense and being too blunt for this sensitive community.

At least he's self-aware he's gone too far. But not self-aware enough to understand he's a complete jerk. I'm sure, in a day or two, he'll start a thread about how 'mean' ANet is on some forum somewhere... And a bunch of people will, as always, fall for it...

An intelligent person would see past the *slight* attitude and see the rock-fing-solid point he just made.

Banning him for being confrontational while ignoring his message is akin to grammar nazis. A devolution of reason.

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Originally posted by SirFubar

I'm just glad they are banning all the QQers. I just hope to see all these people out of the game asap, seriously. Those people are the plague of every single MMO because most of them are MMO hoppers and they won't ever be happy with any kind of MMO because they don't know how to love a great game for what it is, even if they clearly bought a game that wasn't for them.

This is true.

These people ruined WoW for me by DEMANDING homogenized classes (if that class has this skill, so should I!)

But the fault lies with the developers for listening to them. Never forget that.

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Originally posted by dimnikar

Originally posted by TheIronLegion

Originally posted by MsGamerladyI'm thinking they're deleting post that aren't constructive. They're similar to these forums where you have many post by frustrated consumers who don't know how to breach an issue with out being overly dramatic. Tactful well thought out post go a long way in relations to a company. If one can't do that any clamoring will be by and large non-productive.

*bows* perfect. Best response award.

Really, I was thinking *the opposite*, considering how the OP in question was the most constructive, well thought out post I've seen in years.

My statement was a general one. Not naming names here nor was it pointed to the OP.

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Originally posted by taus01

Originally posted by TheIronLegion

Sounds more like youre grasping at straws to me. Anet is sticking to their game plan and keeping the game as grind free as possible. But at the same time they want to deliver new content and new things to work towards for the players who like shiny things. Trying to find a happy balance between the two is hard - hell, I'd like to see you try it in practice.

But what's most astounding is that people are doing all this whining, bitching and moaning and are totally forgetting one fact. We're barely 3 months into the game's release and they're already bringing us new content.

On top of that their time table was very tight. They had August to release, september to prepare for the Holloween event, and then octover/early november to prepare for this. The fact that they are so organized internally that they can pull all of this off in a timely manner is quite impressive. Three months into release most other games were still fixing class balance issues and terrain glitches.

Which is what they should be doing since there are still hundreds of class bugs, balance issues and terrain glitches!

Not to mention them spending time on developing a "diminishing rewards system" to make up for their bad dungeon design that was so full of holes (literally) that every single dungeon had a shortcut. Yes, every single one had at least one exploit or still has them.

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At least half of the things you are pointing out as "truth" on the first post are straws you are grabbing so you can use it as a valid point and things that actually the players and their behaviour are responsible off instead of the game itself.

Sit down and think for a minute, then read carefully again and check the backgrounds of your posting, then you might understand what's wrong with it.

While you are at it, you should also think about your overgeneralization of things you did here by lenghts, that are not as bad as you portray them in game.

I helped level 30s to finish the story, I helped 35s in explorable modes aswell.

The beauty of this game is that you can indeed beat the dungeons with ANY type of team as long as you play properly.

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This thread has been deleted from the official forums without any reason. Banns have been issued to the people posting. Please spread this information.

I did not get banned, i am merely reporting this to the various gaming press outlets. I know friends in game that have been banned for as little as quoting an ANet developer.

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I think you have issues. You flail FFXIV around as the best and shiniest release up to date when its having clear issues and it has not even officially launched (for the second time) yet, and then you criticize how the other company makes their business?

Let Arenanet do their business the way they want, if it is bad business model then their income will dry up at some point anyway. Your word has no effect on the outcome what so ever, what you are doing here is just looking for others acceptance of your thoughts because you cant come to terms with them yourself. Please grow up.