One can be charged with anything. It's a matter of proving the charge. This murder charge will not hold up.

And to the person who made the comment about what they saw what elderly said: please. What the elderly say is irrelevant. They are the first group of people to jump to the most extreme conclusions possible. And in this instance, they are. Big time. What they consider "getting bad" is not bad at all.

"Normally though they don't release names until they are bound over to adult court, which is where Mr. Holden will be headed. "

Wow. Another clueless poster. There is no law on releasing a child's name who is charged with a crime.

And, to further prove your cluelessness and stupidity, it is not a given he will be bound over to adult court. Very specific criteria has to be met for that to happen. And I can pretty much guarantee you he will NOT be headed for adult court.

Good Lord -- 2009 is off to a great start of ignorance on these forums.

"If you are living in an apartment you are paying property tax through your rent. After all the person who owns the apartment building has to pay property tax on the building."

That argument is irrelevant. Renters, for the most part, do not have a vested interest in the property. Granted many people rent for many reasons -- and it's quite irrelevant in this discussion. So is the property tax issue. It is irrelevant. The fact remains, renters are not submitted a tax bill.

They ought to let Medical Mart build the freaking thing where they want to, and where it makes the most sense to--the University Circle area between the Cleveland Clinic campus and the University Hospital/Case Western campus.

*********************************************************************

Between the Cleveland Clinic campus and UH huh? When's the last time you were down here? Clearly never.

"Make sure the schools are safe and the kids have all they need to get a good education and can get a job after they graduate. "

That has nothing to do with Mayor Jackson or the city. That is up to the school district, which is a completely separate entity. And you can also blame the voters who shoot down school levies, only resulting in further cuts in education.

E"veryone will not be able to go to collage, 2yrs. or 4yrs."

Collage? Isn't that something you would learn to make in an art class??

It is? I do not think so at all. What's the Mayor supposed to do? Just sit back and deal with them on the phone from Cleveland?

Rrrright. Clearly you have no business experience. Jackson is very much justified going to Chicago and dealing with these people FACE-TO-FACE!

"Can someone please tell me what we can do to get these bafoons removed from office now."

Blame the voters. Plus, another big problem is when there is nobody running against them. This past November, one of the Commissioners ran unopposed. Yeah, you can not vote for them, but that accomplishes nothing. You can't vote these people out of office when the other party doesn't have anyone run against them.

What part of "the justices sent the case back to the local court so it can better justify the costs and what they would be used for" does he NOT understand??? Where the attorney for Berea came to the conclusion that the higher court gave the right from this decision is beyond me. IF that was the case, SUPCO wouldn't have sent it back. Their decision would've clearly spelled it out.

While I agree that costs for a new complex should be taxed to the Defendant, charging the way Berea Muni has is just ouright ridiculous.

Those of you criticizing Pioli only further show how completely ignorant too many Browns' fans are. So many of you don't know what the hell you're talking about, it's actually pathetic. I guess for some of you morons on here, it's a good thing you're anonymous.

"The fact that people running the county think they can get away with such a transparent slap at a gadfly like McKoy;"

Oh give us a break with that crap. While there are plenty in this county to make people question every move, it is quite evident why he was arrested. This had nothing to do with him selling drugs or drugs being found on him.

Again, this fact is not a secret.

What he got busted for is being present and allowing drugs to be sold in his business. If he was never present, then he (most likely) never would have been arrested (and if he was arrested and was never present, then I would be critical of the police). BUT, even if he wasn't present and they raided his business, his business would have still been boarded up and closed because the drugs were being sold b his employees IN HIS BUSINESS.

What part of this do you NOT understand??!?! I mean is this type of basic stuff that difficult to follow along?? The same thing would've happened if you or I operated a business and it was raided because of the criminal activities of the employees. It would have been shut down. Again, don't be surprised if his business is deemed a "nuisance" and closed permanently.

McKoy is a "non-issue" in this case (in my opinion). They want those that were actually selling the drugs.

kmark said: "If your child needs something beyond what you are paying, you have a moral obligation to try to help the custodial fulfill the need."

Actually, they do not. Plus, that is irrelevant here. These parents were arrested because they were violating a court order to pay support, which is criminal.

If a child needs something more, then the parent has a decision to make. It's no different than if the parents remained/were married. If you can't afford to do something as a household, do you still do it?

I would think not. Needed medical care/coverage is ordered and each parent is financially responsible for their part, so that point is moot. Too many custodial parents think they have free reign to have the chid do whatever they want and the other parent should help out.

That is wrong, not to mention irresponsible. Just because kiddo wants to play this sport and that sport (which could be pay-to-play) or wants to do this and that, does not mean that the custodial parent can enroll the child into those activities and expect the other parent to pay. In many cases, judges will tell the CP to pay for all of it since they failed to consult the other parent before enrolling kiddo into this event.
Just because one is getting child support does not mean they have a right to live beyond their means -- and that is exactly what some CP's do.
If you're married and kiddo wants to do something that costs a significant amount of $$ and you can't afford it, then I would think you'd tell kiddo s/he can't do it because of lack of $$$. The same should be applied when parents separate and collect CS.

Then you said: "Finally, if anyone teaches a parent how to legally get out of paying court order child support,..."

I take it that was directed at me. I suggest you learn HOW to read and shut the hell up. Nowhere was a parent taught how to get out of COURT ORDERED child support, idiot.
Taking your case to SupportKids (or similar collection agency) is NOT a court order. Agencies like SupportKids take advantage of parents who are trying to get support by turning it over to a collection agency. Child support -- WHEN BEING COLLECTED VIA A COURT ORDER OR ADMINISTRATIVE ORDER -- not dischargeable in bankruptcy. But SupportKids et al are collecting agencies and it can be discharged in bankruptcy. SupportKids et al all fall under the classification of a collection agency.

I love threads like this because too many people who haven't a clue comment on morale this and morale that -- and that has no legal relevance -- or relevance in general -- in this thread.