I think most of the frustration comes from the fact that those wins haven't so much been because of Flacco, but in spite of him. While he has been successful in his early days in Baltimore, he's also had the luxury of playing on one of the most talented overall rosters in the NFL during that tenure. Very few teams consistently surround their young QBs with the type of talent the Ravens have, and most of the frustration with him comes from the fact that we very well could have won numerous Superbowls had his development exceeded what it has so far.

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Tears for Fears is better than whatever it is you happen to be thinking about right now.

I think Flacco is pretty clearly the second best guy on their offense. Take that how you will.

I'd probably disagree with this. Ignoring position value, I'd venture to say Ray Rice, Vonta Leach, Marshall Yanda and Ben Grubbs are all "better" players then Flacco. You could probably make a halfway decent case for Mike Oher and Anquan Boldin too. I still think Boldin would be a hell of a receiver if he was utilized properly. If you let him work out of the slot and do most of his dmg underneath and after the catch instead of making him run those stupid ******* sideline routes, I think he's easily a 70 catch, 1000 yard and 8 TD guy no problem.

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Sure he could have developed more. And yes, the defense and guys like Ray Rice should get much of the credit for those wins. But Flacco put the Ravens in position to go to the Super Bowl this year. Lee Evans and Billy Cundiff screwed it up.

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Brilliant letting one of Scott Pioli's henchmen have his own team to ruin. One of the premier GM jobs in the NFL and it gets handed to a stupid **** who makes three facepalm moves for every good one. Awesome. Just like handing a new Mercedes to a 16 year old girl who's already been in three wrecks.

Sure he could have developed more. And yes, the defense and guys like Ray Rice should get much of the credit for those wins. But Flacco put the Ravens in position to go to the Super Bowl this year. Lee Evans and Billy Cundiff screwed it up.

Yeah, that godawful interception he threw 5 minutes before at the Patriots 30 to Brandon Spikes of all people had nothing to do with us losing that game.

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im officially a jaguars fan now...bye bye terrible ravens who waste draft picks on horrible players...the only way the ravens could make this up to me would be by drafting quentin groves or brandon flowers, then i MIGHT forgive them

This is a wise man. I suggested this like 3 months ago, and everyone gave me **** for it.

I really don't care what we do as long as we add some elite talent outside the hashes. Our corners suck and our outside receivers suck. We have a lot of resources to make something happen. If we got Wallace and someone like Carr, Webb, Grimes, Thomas, Greer, or Rogers to play on the outside we'd immediately improve. We're so good inside the hashes that all it takes one outside receiver, and then virtually no team matches up to us because of the TE's. The fact that Branch and Ocho are so terrible were literally our undoing.

This is a wise man. I suggested this like 3 months ago, and everyone gave me **** for it.

I really don't care what we do as long as we add some elite talent outside the hashes. Our corners suck and our outside receivers suck. We have a lot of resources to make something happen. If we got Wallace and someone like Carr, Webb, Grimes, Thomas, Greer, or Rogers to play on the outside we'd immediately improve. We're so good inside the hashes that all it takes one outside receiver, and then virtually no team matches up to us because of the TE's. The fact that Branch and Ocho are so terrible were literally our undoing.

Disagree about the CBs. Issue is with the safeties. If McCourty even gets remotely close to what he was last year and Dowling stays healthy then CB becomes a strength. If BB is worried about either of those happening then I'm all for drafting or picking up talent at CB.

I don't really want to start a new thread for this but does anyone have interest to do a collective NFLDC rankings of all the players in their position group? We can gather votes and then just assemble an NFLDC ranking. I know it was talked about earlier in the year and now would be a good down time to do so.

I don't really want to start a new thread for this but does anyone have interest to do a collective NFLDC rankings of all the players in their position group? We can gather votes and then just assemble an NFLDC ranking. I know it was talked about earlier in the year and now would be a good down time to do so.

TJ planned to do it after the Super Bowl. I remember he PMed certain members to figure out who could help form the NFLDC Top 100 kind of deal. I'd absolutely be down though.

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Disagree about the CBs. Issue is with the safeties. If McCourty even gets remotely close to what he was last year and Dowling stays healthy then CB becomes a strength. If BB is worried about either of those happening then I'm all for drafting or picking up talent at CB.

I could win the lottery tomorrow and then I'd be rich, but I'm not going to rely on that happening either. The fact of the matter is Dowling hasn't been healthy in years and McCourty was the only corner to give up 1000+ yards since they started tracking it 6 years ago. I'm not taking my chances with McCourty and Arrington for a 3rd straight year. Get somebody in the offseason there because there will be decent value to be had on the market. Safety is going to be a crapshoot so I'd avoid it in free agency.

I'd let McCourty play safety and corner in zone looks, and if he gets "it" back we go from there, but in the meantime it can't hurt to have CB depth.

Safety is another problem spot, but I don't think there is as simple of a fix available to us right now. Just going from Ihedigbo to somebody who is below average would greatly improve the team.