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Vatermörderkragen

English translation: Gladstone collar

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10:48 May 4, 2018

German to English translations [PRO]Art/Literary - Textiles / Clothing / Fashion / description of man\'s collar in portrait, early 1900s

German term or phrase:Vatermörderkragen

This occurs in the description of what seems to be an official portrait of a possible Beamter. He is wearing this with a "Krawatte". I would like an English equivalent rather than writing "stiff/starched winged collar" but can't think of one. Many thanks for your ideas in advance.

philgoddard: I don't believe this is a reference to extreme tightness.

4 hrs

disagree

Graeme Currie: I have found several references to the wingtip as a later development of the "patricide collar". I think while wingtip is broadly correct, I would be tempted to use the 19th century name "patricide collar", as the German is no less obscure.

"By the end of the 19th century, stiff, upright collars gradually began to loosen and diminish in size. Doctors believed that stiff collars posed medical concerns for their patients and in 1917, a physician named Walter G. Walford published a book called “Dangers in Neckwear” where he claimed that ailments including eczema, headaches, vertigo, strokes, deafness and many other illnesses could be directly attributed to tight neckwear. He further claimed that be loosening the collar, one could swiftly recover from a variety of ailments." https://www.gentlemansgazette.com/evolution-neckwear-tie-cra...

Lancashireman: Your first reference is very persuasive. It mentions 'detachable', though I think this aspect might be redundant to the asker's context ("description of what seems to be an official portrait of a possible Beamter").

Explanation:Detachable starched collars became commonly worn on men's shirts around 1850. The idea was to present a clean appearance to the world without the expense of laundering the whole shirt.http://www.darcyclothing.com/shop/collars.html

Detachable High-CollarNicknamed the “father killer,” the detachable high-collar was a popular men’s accessory in the 19th century that was attached to the shirt by studs. Seemingly harmless, the collar was so stiff and tight that it actually could cut off a man’s circulation, causing asphyxia or an abscess of the brain. In an obituary for John Cruetzi in 1888, The New York Times wrote, “His head dropped over on his chest and then his stiff collar stopped the windpipe and checked the flow of blood through the already contracted veins, causing the death to ensue from asphyxia and apoplexy.” In 1912, a man named William F. Dillon died from a similar situation. “Mr. Dillon apparently suffered from an attack of indigestion which caused a slight swelling of his neck and the collar choked him to death,” the paper said.https://www.thedailybeast.com/corsets-muslin-disease-and-mor...

That should be soup-slurping or food-catching/mooching :)
For your purposes, 'Edwardian wing collar', which keeps some of the German flair, might be good.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-wing-collar.htm
The wing-collar shirt is thought to have originated during the Edwardian era in the early 1900s. It may have been popularized by the British monarch King Edward VII, who was typically known for "evening informal" attire. Edward VII might have worn a highly starched wing-collar shirt with a tailcoat and matching trousers.

https://www.cycleworld.com/2016/03/07/motogp-racing-motorcyc...
Look at the devices currently being tested; Yamaha and Ducati have shown stubby “moustache” winglets, located in the accelerated airflow moving around the fairing nose, and Honda’s look like the turned-up points of an Edwardian gentleman’s wing collar