Last year, it was reported that the Department of Homeland Security had purchased 1.6 billion rounds of hollow point ammunition of various calibers for reasons that the agency refuses to reveal. On Wednesday, the DHS announced that it would acquire another 200,000 rounds from a company known as Evian Group, Inc.

The DHS put out a solicitation for the purchase on the FedBizOps.gov Web site on Dec. 17 for the agencys Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, requesting .40 caliber hollow point rounds, Federal Ammunition of 1,000 rounds in 200 cases.

Not only is the reason for the agencys stockpiling of nearly 2 billion rounds of ammo shrouded in mystery, but so too is the Evian Group. James Smith of Prepper Podcast did an investigation into the company and found some odd facts which he reported in an article on Thursday.

For one, It seems that the Evian Group was formed on December 12, 2012, just 5 days before the announcement of the solicitation, writes Smith.

The price that the agency paid for the rounds is suspect too, according to Smith.

The contract for 200,000 rounds was $45,758, which boils down to about $0.21 per round. And to be quiet (sic) honest, that (is) a really good price. As in, unheard of good price.

After comparing the prices for the rounds from Evian and other companies on two different Web sites, Smith found that the price was less than half of what the other guys are charging.

Also suspicious is the companys address of 105 South Eastern Ave, Las Vegas, Nev. After searching Google Maps, Smith found that the building at the listed address doesnt appear to be the kind of place that could produce that much ammunition and then

Hey Guys, please note this article is dated January 4th, 2013. I ran across an article on WND a little while ago that sourced this Examiner article.

I can't imagine this article has languished since January 4th without someone posting it on FR for discussion.

Anyway, I would appreciate any input on this story. I could not spot any previous articles on FR referencing information in this article.

Also if you have time and feel like doing some internet research, there seems to be some very "mysterious goings on" regarding everything about this contract, Evian Group, its officers, etc., etc., etc.

My question is what contingency plan is driving these purchases? The number of rounds being purchased is driven by some anticipated need that leads to a bureaucratic decision.

This keeps coming up, I will try to put it to rest. Just one example: the Border Patrol has over 21,000 agents. Each agent is required to qualify each quarter with their duty carry firearm. The qualification course is 72 rounds. In addition each agent is given 150 rounds of practice ammo each quarter.

That is just the BP there is also CBP officers, ICE, protective service and a hole host of others.

It sounds like a lot of ammo but they burn through it quickly. Next year they will put out an RFP for more just like every year. This really is a non issue.

My guess is that government is buying the ammo so that we the people can't. It's a form of gun control. If the government can't legally seize our firearms, then it will seize the ammo through purchase contracts.

If everyone would ask their rep this question it would at least let them know that we know and that we expect answers.

Why aren’t our loyal conservative radio talk show hosts harping on this issue every day until this is addressed by investigative committees and highlighted in the news? If the radio conservatives are too scared to mention it on the air then we are screwed.

Don’t wait for the investigative journalists to say anything about it. They get paid by the same fabian communist globalists cadre who ordered the purchase of these rounds.

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posted on 02/01/2013 11:50:38 AM PST
by Enough is ENOUGH
(Take note of all of the collectivist changes that we have been experiencing. When is Enough ENOUGH?)

“Hollow-Point”ammunition is banned by The Geneva Conventions for use against ENEMY combatants,but I guess they are alright to use against Law-Abiding Americans who just might want to take their country back?????????????????????

Are you illnumerate? A billion is not a dozen more than a million. It is one thousand million.

The example you cited works out to 12.6 million rounds a year. Keep going and working through all the federal employees who must qualify each year. Let us see how many rounds that works out to. I’ll wager that it is not even a fraction of a billion.

One source lists the number of armed DHS emploees at pproximately 162,364. If they must qualify, that’s 100 million rounds a year. We have a 20 year supply at that rate, so what other consumers are there and about how much do they use?

“21 cents a round for 40 cal. hollow point ammo does not sound like a legit price.”

Actually, it is. I can produce it for $0.32 cents a round at near retail prices for FMJ 40 cal. I know what the wholesale prices are for the components and it is $0.18 cents a round, so they are producing that ammo for nearly cost.

Also, at just 200,000 total rounds, which is a small order, that would just be a test run. If the ammo is good I suspect there will be a very large order given later.

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posted on 02/01/2013 12:16:09 PM PST
by CodeToad
(Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off.)

I recall reading an article here on a gov ammo purchase through the fake Evian company. I’m guessing this is the same purchase. Something’s not on the up and up. At first, I assumed hussein was either furnishing these to his special civil army or to our enemies. After the questions surrounding Sandy Hook and his push for gun control causing even more shortage above his gov purchases, well, it’s all connected. Long live the 2nd!

Are you illnumerate? A billion is not a dozen more than a million. It is one thousand million. The example you cited works out to 12.6 million rounds a year.

Math is a cruel mistress.

21000*(72+150)*4=18.6 million. Still not a billion. You were only off by 50%.

One source lists the number of armed DHS emploees at pproximately 162,364. If they must qualify, thats 100 million rounds a yea

162,364*(72+150)*4= 144.1 million.

Of course, if you assume that the "150 practice rounds" is per year, not per quarter, the math works out different:

21000*(72*4+150)=9.2 million

162,364*(72*4+150)=71.1 million

How do we know they have 1.6 billion rounds? And if they did, isn't 200,000 rounds really in the noise here?

I've done a bit of research, from the web sites that make this claim. Occasionally they point to real documentation; but in some cases those are redacted, and have no numbers.

In another case, you find that the 450 million bullet order was over 5 years. That's less than 100 million a year, well within the range we just calculated for their need.

And it's a "maximum order", meaning that the actual procurement will be less -- this type of order merely ensures that the seller has the ability to meet the contract.

And it is both DHS and ICE. So it's more agents than we looked at.

In 2009, they awarded a contract for 200 million over 5 years. I can't find any info on how much they actually purchased.

Without going back over a 20-year history of bullet purchases by all government law enforcement agencies, I don't see how we can evaluate the current status and say it is different.

One thing that has changed is that DHS is doing a lot of drills with local and state LEO, and apparently as part of Obama's "feed our tax dollars to his buddies in liberal states" initiative, the feds have been supplying all the bullets.

This stuff is not for practice. DHS is ordering +P critical defense rounds. These are frangible rounds and not used for practice. They are not burning through it on the practice range. Its enough ammo to shoot every American at least 6 times.

Critical defense ammo is pretty much to kill people. Its too expensive to practice with, its hard on the weapon, its bad for the backstops on the ranges and it will give you a helluva flinch.

DHS is not telling anybody that they are using it for practice. They are not telling you anything. Be concerned.

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posted on 02/01/2013 1:59:52 PM PST
by Georgia Girl 2
(The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)

Hollow-Pointammunition is banned by The Geneva Conventions for use against ENEMY combatants,but I guess they are alright to use against Law-Abiding Americans who just might want to take their country back?

Actually, most police departments use hollow-points. They are less likely to ricochet, and less likely to over-penetrate. These are the same reasons most people use them for self-defense.

It is. Was set up to get around the "Small Business Set Aside" requirement of the contract. They are a "Provider" not a "Manufacturer". This is one of the games played in the federal government acquisition process. Some contracts are set aside for woman or minority owned businesses.

This is exactly the exercise I was hoping someone would work through so we could get some perspective on the scope of ammo usage. But it remains a bit of a curiosity that nobody fairly far up in DHS hasn’t issued some type of internal document of the policy narrative. They sure are opaque for being the most transparent of any regime in history.

Thanks for putting it into the proper perspective. However, this won’t stop some FR sheep from stampeding over the cliff, insisting that the forecasters at the National Weather Service will be shooting cop-killer bullets out their arses and making kills at 500 yards.

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posted on 02/01/2013 6:28:56 PM PST
by sergeantdave
(The FBI has declared war on the Marine Corps)

We all feel something is happening. Things don’t add up. Remember last year when the the Social Security Administration bought millions and millions of bullets? More than their security guards could use in a few hundred years.

And flies in the White House? Do you know how flies are ‘grown? They ‘bloom’ in rotting flesh...

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posted on 02/01/2013 7:15:38 PM PST
by GOPJ
( Revelation can be more perilous than Revolution. Vladimir Nabokov)

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