I've been a huge fan of the Faiths & Avatars format created by Julia Martin and Eric Boyd, and I always wanted a fourth book to be published, companion to Faiths & Avatars, Powers & Pantheons, and Demihuman Deities. Since there's no chance now of seeing an official one, I decided to create my own, updating the deities from DMGR4 Monster Mythology, as well as some others. I write these from the point of view of 2nd Edition, incorporating primarily only that canon, and focusing on the whole 2e multiverse, so where possible, I mention canon from all 2nd Edition settings. I post the main entries on my blog, and then will update this thread.

There is also mention of a Leucrotta pantheon in the Thar supplement in Elminster's Ecologies. Not a lot of detail, but some.

From pgs.14-15...

quote:According to Olaf, the leucrotta worship a group of archetypal predators known as the Pack. This Pack is led, not surprisingly, by the great leucrotta, Toknana. The Pack ranges across the plains of the Abyss, preying upon the tanar'ri, sending prey animals to deserving leucrotta, and defending the species against its enemies.Toknana is assisted by a number of other archetypal creatures, such as Hruba the Chimera, Ylarria the Red Dragon, and Voal the Hydra. In addition, numerous leucrotta, chosen from the finest and most cunning hunters on Faerūn, also run with Toknana across the Abyss, and are sometimes dispatched to the Prime Material Plane to assist mortal leucrotta if they are threatened or need new tricks to help them deceive and capture prey.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone

There is also mention of a Leucrotta pantheon in the Thar supplement in Elminster's Ecologies. Not a lot of detail, but some.

From pgs.14-15...

quote:According to Olaf, the leucrotta worship a group of archetypal predators known as the Pack. This Pack is led, not surprisingly, by the great leucrotta, Toknana. The Pack ranges across the plains of the Abyss, preying upon the tanar'ri, sending prey animals to deserving leucrotta, and defending the species against its enemies.Toknana is assisted by a number of other archetypal creatures, such as Hruba the Chimera, Ylarria the Red Dragon, and Voal the Hydra. In addition, numerous leucrotta, chosen from the finest and most cunning hunters on Faerūn, also run with Toknana across the Abyss, and are sometimes dispatched to the Prime Material Plane to assist mortal leucrotta if they are threatened or need new tricks to help them deceive and capture prey.

Hmm, I missed that. I'll have to think about how to implement them; my gut is that "The Pack" is a manifestation of another deity, perhaps even Gorellik. Leucrotta are, after all, mythologically derived from hyenas. I'll have to think about this some more. Thanks for the info!

Wow. This is awesome! I'll have to start adding some of this into my game. We have a recurring villain in the form of a giant who, in hindsight, has probably been a cleric of Memnor all along. He's such a good deceiver, he even had me (the DM) fooled . Thanks for this, and I can't wait to see more!

Hmm, I missed that. I'll have to think about how to implement them; my gut is that "The Pack" is a manifestation of another deity, perhaps even Gorellik. Leucrotta are, after all, mythologically derived from hyenas. I'll have to think about this some more. Thanks for the info!

The inclusion of a dragon 'Pack' member is a bit odd, considering there is an entire draconic pantheon.

However, these seem to be more along the lines of something I've called 'archtypes' - the embodiment of a specific species in a primal form (almost like a proto-god). In that case, I would say this Ylarria would be (more likely) worshiped by things like wyverns and drakes... things with a more... limited... intelligence. It would be possible to have a few true dragons honor Ylarria as 'the hunter' aspect of their 'inner beast', but that would be limited to the less... ummmm... cerebral members of their species (because every species will have its 'dummies'). It would also be more along the lines of using the creatures in oaths (and swearing), rather then any true form of veneration (by true dragons, I mean). Only creatures who wouldn't build any sort of civilization should worship these 'Pack' beings (thus my calling them 'proto-gods').

You may want to even merge these with the Savage Gods of Al-Qadim, who have a similar, primal bent to them. I would imagine all of them should be under Malar somehow (as are the Totem-spirits of The North).

Just suggestions is all - its your work, and I am enjoying what you've done with it thus far.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone

The Road goes ever on and onDown from the door where it began.Now far ahead the Road has gone,And I must follow, if I can,Pursuing it with eager feet,Until it joins some larger wayWhere many paths and errands meet.And whither then? I cannot say.-J.R.R. Tolkien

Just a note, Mellifleur was subsumed by Velsharoon, so you may want to notate him as a dead deity in the realms.

I must commend you on the reference to Refnara the Moon Biter from dungeon #48

Also, where did you get the centaur pantheon references? I only recognize Skerritt. I like them having more than one deity, but I'd like to see it more as a "tauric pantheon" that isn't "unified" but may help each other. Nobanion may have ties to the pantheon, but maybe they include some taurics who aren't horse bottomed (hybsils, wemics, bariaurs). Maybe even having some other tauric deities (one with a bull bottom <see manotaur from 2nd edition MC Annual Vol 3>, boar body and orcish torso, something like a wemic but a panther or leopard or tiger body, maybe some kind of wolf-humanoid combo, maybe a pegataur type of centaur, a scorpion one for the tlincali, a dinosaur'ish one for the Dracons (see spelljammer MC vol 1) etc...). The goddess of the Lamia would also fit well amongst this group.

Wow. This is awesome! I'll have to start adding some of this into my game. We have a recurring villain in the form of a giant who, in hindsight, has probably been a cleric of Memnor all along. He's such a good deceiver, he even had me (the DM) fooled . Thanks for this, and I can't wait to see more!

It's always nice when things just fit together, isn't it? :D

quote:Originally posted by Markustay

The inclusion of a dragon 'Pack' member is a bit odd, considering there is an entire draconic pantheon.

However, these seem to be more along the lines of something I've called 'archtypes' - the embodiment of a specific species in a primal form (almost like a proto-god). In that case, I would say this Ylarria would be (more likely) worshiped by things like wyverns and drakes... things with a more... limited... intelligence. It would be possible to have a few true dragons honor Ylarria as 'the hunter' aspect of their 'inner beast', but that would be limited to the less... ummmm... cerebral members of their species (because every species will have its 'dummies'). It would also be more along the lines of using the creatures in oaths (and swearing), rather then any true form of veneration (by true dragons, I mean). Only creatures who wouldn't build any sort of civilization should worship these 'Pack' beings (thus my calling them 'proto-gods').

You may want to even merge these with the Savage Gods of Al-Qadim, who have a similar, primal bent to them. I would imagine all of them should be under Malar somehow (as are the Totem-spirits of The North).

Yeah, the dragon is curious. One question is whether leucrotta or greater leucrotta can be priests; I've never seen mention of that being possible (through 2nd edition, at least), but that doesn't rule it out. The more I think about it, though, the more it seems like Malar, who does work through leucrottas sometimes, would be the actual god behind "the Pack." He has a tendency of using such manifestations, especially when he has subsumed them (like the Blue Bear of the Uthgardt).

quote:Originally posted by The Arcanamach

I'm especially curious on your take of Zinzerena as I'm thinking of working her in my homebrew (and eventually having her become The Masked Lady).

Zinzerena will be interesting because Eric Boyd decided to kill her off in Demihuman Deities after Colin McComb put her in the Forgotten Realms in On Hallowed Ground. My preferred method is to try and take a neutral view and try to make it accessible for people regardless of how it played out in their campaign (which is how I plan to handle Maanzecorian's off-hand death).

quote:Originally posted by sleyvas

Just a note, Mellifleur was subsumed by Velsharoon, so you may want to notate him as a dead deity in the realms.

I must commend you on the reference to Refnara the Moon Biter from dungeon #48

Also, where did you get the centaur pantheon references? I only recognize Skerritt. I like them having more than one deity, but I'd like to see it more as a "tauric pantheon" that isn't "unified" but may help each other. Nobanion may have ties to the pantheon, but maybe they include some taurics who aren't horse bottomed (hybsils, wemics, bariaurs). Maybe even having some other tauric deities (one with a bull bottom <see manotaur from 2nd edition MC Annual Vol 3>, boar body and orcish torso, something like a wemic but a panther or leopard or tiger body, maybe some kind of wolf-humanoid combo, maybe a pegataur type of centaur, a scorpion one for the tlincali, a dinosaur'ish one for the Dracons (see spelljammer MC vol 1) etc...). The goddess of the Lamia would also fit well amongst this group.

Powers & Pantheons doesn't specify whether Mellifleur was subsumed, or was never even worshipped in the Realms and Velsharoon just started granting spells to prayers to Mellifluer upon his apotheosis (similar to the case of Juiblex/the Elder Elemental God and Ghaunadar, Merrshaulk and Sseth, or Nebelun and Gond). Again, I'll probably try to thread the needle of neutrality on the issue. :)

The centaur pantheon is from Dragon #103. There were no details beyond names and basic portfolios. The Dracons have a pantheon of their own, but the only details is a general idea that they have a deities of all the major portfolios and the leader is called the Ub-kalla (IIRC). I actually wouldn't want to combine too many of the centaur-type beings together, as other than body form, they're not that similar. It would be like saying all humanoids should have the same pantheon just because they have two legs and two arms. I see manotaurs as following much the same deities as minotaurs, for example, while pegataurs would worship the same deities as centaurs (and Eachthighern).

Just in time for Valentine's Day is the giantish goddess of love, Iallanis the Tender One (http://blog.aulddragon.com/2014/02/iallanis-the-tender-one/). She is one of the youngest members of the Ordning, born after Hiatea's acceptance by Annam. Her long-term goal is to bring all giants into the fold of good, including the other members of the Ordning, even Memnor and Karontor. She is patron of love in all forms, and the mercy and forgiveness that comes from it. Enjoy!

Just curious - you don't think Kiaransalee should be listed amongst the 'undead deities'?

Thanks! Kiaransalee has already been written up, so other than listing temples outside of Toril, there's nothing for me to add. Besides that, though, while a deity of necromancy and undead, she's not undead herself, nor patron of a specific type of undead, which is what that category is for.

Just a note, Mellifleur was subsumed by Velsharoon, so you may want to notate him as a dead deity in the realms.

I must commend you on the reference to Refnara the Moon Biter from dungeon #48

Also, where did you get the centaur pantheon references? I only recognize Skerritt. I like them having more than one deity, but I'd like to see it more as a "tauric pantheon" that isn't "unified" but may help each other. Nobanion may have ties to the pantheon, but maybe they include some taurics who aren't horse bottomed (hybsils, wemics, bariaurs). Maybe even having some other tauric deities (one with a bull bottom <see manotaur from 2nd edition MC Annual Vol 3>, boar body and orcish torso, something like a wemic but a panther or leopard or tiger body, maybe some kind of wolf-humanoid combo, maybe a pegataur type of centaur, a scorpion one for the tlincali, a dinosaur'ish one for the Dracons (see spelljammer MC vol 1) etc...). The goddess of the Lamia would also fit well amongst this group.

Powers & Pantheons doesn't specify whether Mellifleur was subsumed, or was never even worshipped in the Realms and Velsharoon just started granting spells to prayers to Mellifluer upon his apotheosis (similar to the case of Juiblex/the Elder Elemental God and Ghaunadar, Merrshaulk and Sseth, or Nebelun and Gond). Again, I'll probably try to thread the needle of neutrality on the issue. :)

The centaur pantheon is from Dragon #103. There were no details beyond names and basic portfolios. The Dracons have a pantheon of their own, but the only details is a general idea that they have a deities of all the major portfolios and the leader is called the Ub-kalla (IIRC). I actually wouldn't want to combine too many of the centaur-type beings together, as other than body pnal, they're not that similar. It would be like saying all humanoids should have the same pantheon just because they have two legs and two arms. I see manotaurs as following much the same deities as minotaurs, for example, while pegataurs would worship the same deities as centaurs (and Eachthighern).

Jeff

Yeah, I was more or less grouping them as a "beast-oriented" type of pantheon. Didn't exactly write it as I was thinking it up.... I got sidetracked trying to think of all the "tauric" types we've already seen. However, thanks for the dragon listing. I will definitely go look at it.

Hmmm, still don't see the first 2 centaur ones listed. Do you recall their source? Just to include the info in the thread, listing what I see for the other 4 from the dragon mag.

Centaurs also have various minor deities and demi-deities of their own. These include Naharra (goddess of fertility andlove), Fanthros (god of the sky and weather), Brilros and his sister Linroth (twin demi-deities of strength and speed),and others concerned with health, singing, cattle, and other important aspects of centaur life. The few evil centaurs in existence tend to worship one or another of the demonor devil lords.

Hmmm, still don't see the first 2 centaur ones listed. Do you recall their source? Just to include the info in the thread, listing what I see for the other 4 from the dragon mag.

Oh right, I forgot about those two. Kheiron is Chiron from Greek mythology, and Chitza-Atlan is mentioned in the old adventure The Hidden Shrine of Tamoachan, with a mummified centaur as a servant; there's not much information on the being, but I figured it would work as an interloping death god. Just a couple more deities to fill out the pantheon, basically.

Cool. Thank you for sharing this list. I'd seen the one they compiled for 3e, and I always felt they left out some races. Thinking on the other major humanoid races of the realms that you don't see deific representation for real quick, there's the quaggoths or "deep bears". In another thread we wondered if Magnar the Bear didn't create them and then subsequently get subsumed by Rillifane Ralathil. This might explain away why you don't see many priests in their culture (they turned so bestial after their god <who may be a primordial or archfey> was killed).

Just going to spam some others real quick, and maybe jot ideas if they occur. Maybe you might recognize some, or maybe someone else might.

Aarakocra worship Syranita primarily; some worship other aerial deities (Aerdrie, Akadi, etc.). Dragon #124 mentioned Krocaa as their deity, but without much information. I plan on expanding upon him as a mate and counterpart to Syranita.

Drizzt Do'Urden's Guide to the Underdark inferred that they worship no deities, partly do to their alien mental nature. I actually like that.

quote:gibberling - thinking worshipping some kind of far realm or fiendish entity WHEN they worship

No idea. Kind of doubt they worship anything.

quote:Shalarin - they already have one listed by chance, maybe a faerunian deity?

They have adopted Faerunian deities. I *think* later material (post 2e's Sea of Fallen Stars) claimed they came from oceans on the far side of the planet, but I would prefer them coming from another crystal sphere.

Not sure they worship anything. In fact, I would imagine they want to overthrow/destroy the gods. Been a while since I read up on them, though.

quote:Sharn - probably worship Mystra

No idea; I never really thought about them much.

quote:Alaghi - probably worshipped some dead deity, similar to Magnar the Bear relationship with Quaggoths

Various nature deities; Silvanus, Chauntea, Rillifane, etc.

quote:Chitine - is there one for these already (Lolth perhaps)?

Lolth, see Demihuman Deities.

quote:Loxo - Hiatea and/or Iallanis per Shining South

Really? Must have missed that. Doesn't seem to fit, IMO. Then again, they're also spelljamming immigrants, so their original deities probably don't have access to Realmspace. I've been wanting to develop their still-spelljamming brethren for a while.

quote:Saurial - they started worshipping Finder didn't they?

Their original world had some Realms-analogs, including deities of luck and justice. They've adopted the versions in the Realms, as well as Finder.

quote:tasloi - worship an aspect of Maglubiyet per shining south

No idea.

quote:Tlincali - Tlincalli priests may serve the Maztican deities Zaltec, Plutoq, or Nula. Noting this, as didn't some of these get transported to Amn, and therefore their deities may be interloping

I believe some did, although I vaguely recall there being a tunnel under the ocean. Also, I think some were already native to Faerun; someone else will have to confirm that, though.

quote:Thri-Kreen of the realms are noted as worshipping Tempus, though I'd be more inclined to say they worship Garagos

Spelljamming thri-kreen have an interesting but poorly detailed religion surrounding the "Mantis God of the Eternal Lotus," but terrestrial thri-kreen seem more savage. A non-evil hunting deity seems to be more appropriate to me.

quote:glouras - definitely sticking to the sylvan pantheon

IIRC, they're neutral and seen as messengers of Eilistraee, but they always struck me as being members of the Unseelie Court. They're introduced in a Dragon magazine around the 250s or 260s I believe, as well as Drizzt Do'Urden's Guide to the Underdark.

On the Glouras thing... yeah, I ALWAYS pictured them as part of the unseelie court. I pictured them as being treated as somewhat royalty. Then the 3e version came out and made them "mostly good with the rare evil one". Personally, I prefer them the other way.... mostly evil with the rare good one. I would definitely have them worshipping the Queen of Air and Darkness for the evil ones, and I picture them as some kind of tainted/empowered other fairies.

Oh, and since you can spot them so directly, it would be a big improvement on your list if you listed the "main" worshippers of a given beside their names. Also, a source would be really good (though I recognize the kenku and aarakocra names now that you state which they're for, its not necessarily immediately apparent). That was one of the things that I really liked at the end of faiths and pantheons for 3e where they listed the monster deities. They listed the alignment, favored weapon, domains, symbol, portfolios, and worshipped by. I think your list would be of easier use if it included alignment, portfolios, worshipped by, and source (the favored weapons, domain, and symbol can all be looked up if someone is really interested... or "designed" if unavailable... i.e. DM pick the domains and favored weapons).