the whole "Red Axe" excitement. I thought the term just referred to the fact that his axe would be covered in blood. There are other references for example in LOTR of red swords. It is similar to people getting all confused over Legolas' white knife which simply refers to the fact the steel blade of the knife was polished bright.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck 4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot 3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan 2. Use not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, with axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate 1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck 4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot 3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan 2. Use not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, with axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate 1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!

the dwarfs should be sealed up in the barrels in the river, no if and or buts about it... What purpose does it serve having them out floating half out of the barrels? It's not even close to the book. the book they got to the end they were covered in hay or whatever Bilbo could pack them in with, and some remarked on never be able to eat whatever the smell was that was in the barrel again (i think it was apples) plus it showed Bilbo's resourcefulness... It's way off base , some of the other stuff looked pretty cool but the barrels scene is not even close to the book from what I could see in the Vlog

"X" amount of time watching sealed barrels floating down stream would be boring on film. Perhaps they will be sealed in for the escape and pop out later. I'm already over it. "There is a long road yet," said Gandalf. "But it is the last road," said Bilbo.

the dwarfs should be sealed up in the barrels in the river, no if and or buts about it... What purpose does it serve having them out floating half out of the barrels? It's not even close to the book. the book they got to the end they were covered in hay or whatever Bilbo could pack them in with, and some remarked on never be able to eat whatever the smell was that was in the barrel again (i think it was apples) plus it showed Bilbo's resourcefulness... It's way off base , some of the other stuff looked pretty cool but the barrels scene is not even close to the book from what I could see in the Vlog

Just because you are incable of imagining why the filmmakers might be doing this doesn’t mean they are similarly blinded.

In fact, much to the contrary. Fortunately!

Which is why they’re filmmakers. You cannot film a book. I encourage you to try to sometime. It might save us all from the worst of your rants.

Or not. Hope springs eternal.

You need to step back and settle down. Stop screaming about every possible thing that might not be as it is in The Book. Start thinking very carefully and very deliberately about what possible reasons the filmmakers may have had for making the various decisions they’ve made, and which you go ranting and railing about. Think of yourself in their shoes for a change.

You never do that. You need to. What you do is exhausting to behold, and more than a little queasifying. For everyone’s sake, please give it a rest. You're just making yourself unhappy with all this bile. And other people, too.

…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarﬁn and his house.

and maybe you need to stop thinking that changes that are unnecessary are ok
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what purpose does having the dwarfs bobbing around making jokes and being seen do Nothing what so ever and I wasn't ranting I had a valid point its nothing like the book at all other than its in a river... thank god i'm not a film maker, cause guess what people would be getting Tolkien and not some half witted attempt at it to appease the mass market hearing every bit of

and if I were in their shoes I would have the dwarfs in the barrels floating down the river being put there by Bilbo himself grumbling every little grumble that they had to offer while floating down the river, then being pulled out of the river by the men of Laketown like they are supposed to be

is not about the dwarfs reactions, do we need to see every dwarf in every scene? NO we don't in the book we didn't know whether the dwarfs were alive or dead, drown, or what. The scene is about Bilbo rescuing the dwarfs and being unsure if he made the right decision. Not oooh lets go rafting down the river because it will be exciting. Thats part of the scene the not knowing what is happening to the dwarfs, wondering if they are all going to come out alive not seeing their expressions. Bilbo himself wondered that while they were floating down the river thinking he had possibly drown some of them. Thats what that scene is about

but then I thought..hello, they could have internal barell shots, conveying the confinement and discomfort of the dwarves. It would be dark and claustrophobic and more physically viable and realistic than dwarves bobbing up and down in open barrels which in all likelyhood would tip over almost immediatley in such a situation. Please do something that is the same as the books Sir Peter.

sinister71 keep "ranting" as it has been put. There are others that agree with you. As you say the scene is another one about Bilbo and his continued growth and resourcefulness and we are not meant to know the dwarves status until they are de-barelled (un-barelled??? barrellless???? barrel liberated???? what is the best way to describe it??)

Sinister71: im sorry to say this but comrade Finrod said as it is. Every time we see every little difference from thebooks, the hair, the barrels open, a tree down, a bit of body comedy, dialogue or whatever, you and others immediately go into a rant about what a disappontment it is, how horrible it is, and you havent even seen it on screen, with a context, which is what qualifies someone to criticize a moment or a character...it really sounds like a broken record... and dont think please, im one too...i think dwalins hair and costume is a bit strange for me..somehow i dont like that hair..i hope i will...

Finrod says you should place yourself on their shoes...and thats spot on.

To create a movie adaptation, it involves fulfilling certain parameters, goals, like exciting moments, a good pace, giving more fighting to spice the danger up, to show how dangerous something is by incresing its visual impact, or being more direct rather than book subtle...

All this because you have to convey the excitement, the beauty, the danger, the profiles in 2 or 3 hours mos, t to a film audience...that is dramatically different than reading a book...i havent given much thought to this particular scene...but i suppose having 13 closed barrels just float down the river...not that exciting...by , after the closed barrels moments....having them break them and face the danger of some rapids seems very logical from a filmmaking point of view...

"What purpose does it serve having them out floating half out of the barrels? "....hammm..they can talk or shout at each other? could be usefull...i dont know, i havent read the script...but i also think the screenwriters are not stupid, if they decided this they have a reason...and surely not giving in to the mass market...probably to do with pace, and a necessary sense of escape through danger into even more danger....

unnecessary? ..how do you know that? for whom or what is it unnecessary? this is not about watching the story unfold from the view point of the reader...but the cinema goer...13 grumpy dwarves in the dark saying curses to this or that might very well be not that entertaining...they could have done it just like that and realised the scene needed some danger...

And concerning the not knowing what happ to the dwarves..they will do that surely...there will be a moment when they are sealed and bilbo doesnt know...they might shoot inside the barrels...then them going ahhh breakkk em POF!...then they can kick the tops off...

its nothing like the events of the book, not even close. well I guess at least there is a river in it... Its the whole point of not knowing they are ok that is the purpose of that scene, its the thinking of Bilbo 'Oh my god I've drown some of the dwarfs" its the finding out when they get to their destination Oh my god they are alright, maybe a bit beaten up... but alright. Not yelling at each other or joking or having a good time in the river. I seen no peril in the faces of the dwarfs as we saw them. If there were something in common with the book I wouldn't complain but its nothing like the book. I'm sorry I call a spade a spade but its true. So far I see nothing in common with the books version of the barrels out of bond section is that an adaptation to completely change the feeling of the sequence from the book. I thought they wanted to have the same tone, dwarfs talking and yelling at each other doesn't have the same tone as not knowing what has become of the dwarfs... besides that section is more about Bilbo than the dwarfs, how did it become about them from being about Bilbo? its about Bilbo wondering did he do the right thing, should he have left them in Thranduil's dungeon, should he have thought of a different plan, all about Bilbo not the dwarfs. I still think they should be stuck in the barrels so we wonder what will become of them if they have drown just like Bilbo does (at least in the book)

Filming 13 barrels floating down a river well not so exciting but it doesn't need to be 15 minute long either, but I feel as I'm sure others do they should have just stayed at least in the same area code as the material from the book not necessarily the same street or block but at least the same area code which they havent, but your right I don't know what they are thinking I don't think they do either from seeing that scene.

well film is a visual medium...so if PJ decides he want the barrel seen to be more fun in the rapids it would be a whole lot more fun to see the dwarves pounded around in the water rather then 12 closed barrels with only one character in view the whole time