also, you should learn to read. the poster said "hardcore/crust". that means "HARDCORE AND CRUST" not "I'm putting a slash between two distinct terms because I'm under the impression they mean the same thing, and I just like to be redundant". There's no evidence of "lump[ing] hardcore and crust into one" in that post just because they are mentioned together.

Furthermore, not everyone is such a dork when it comes to being overly speciffic with lame genre descriptors... it's perfectly fine to call Infest and CO "Hardcore" music... because, when you get down to the basics of it, that's all the fuck it is.

Finally, I am the resident generalizing metalheads-generalizer around here. This town ain't big enough for the both of us, mister know-it-all!

Continue...

Also, thanks for the Provoked-related recs, urrbady... I'll check those out soon.

I dunno, I didn't really intend for my post to be so serious Nor did I see Siege on your list. The only point I was trying to make is that I see metalheads lump crust and hardcore into one thing, but they're extremely different, I was only trying to help make a distinction is all. I don't reeeally care about genre labels at the end of the day

it's all cools bro.i'm just really irritable and pissy ever since I stopped using SSRI's a while back...

sorry for being such a bastard (I've been like this for a few weeks now... I seem to get really pissy/hostile/aggressive at the drop of a hat, dunno when the hell that's going to be totally through, but I still seem to have lingering hissy-fit episodes, like, well beyond what is normal).

I've just recently been getting into Venomous Concept. I heard them on Pandora on my Insect Warfare station and I dug em. After a while of listening I thought "this sounds just like Kevin Sharp!" So as usual, my curiosity brought me to this site and it turns they're a side project consisting of Kevin Sharp, Dan Lilker, and two members from Napalm Death! Brutal Truth + Napalm Death making Hardcore Punk? Shit's fuckin' awesome. Check it out if you haven't already.

I was pretty much caught off guard because apart from Axegrinder and Amebix I'd never heard stuff like that, much less in a full track. I've browsed over some Crass stuff but it never did anything for me. The quasi-industrial vibe of Indestroy is pretty intense and it came out in a transitional period for Neurosis also, I don't know if that fact has any correlation whatsoever, but it's interesting to witness the transitional steps of that sound into a full-fledged style.

With that being said I think the album is more interesting due to this transitional aspect that to its own value, it does drone a little too much on some sections and some passages are way too abrupt to work properly. Yet it stands as something interesting in that particular point in time I guess.

look up Anthrot on bandcamp,all their shits free.Good hardcore/crust/fastcore shit.

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I had Primate's first EP on my old computer, along with a shit ton of other music, but unfortunately that computer was jacked by tweakers. . . Fuckin hate tweakers.

Yeah,tweakers usually suck

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Anyone have recommendations for some lesser known bands in the 90's European hardcore scene? I'm a big fan of a lot of the Belgian stuff (Arkangel, Liar, Congress, LoT, etc.) and I've been listening to unhealthy amounts of Kickback lately. Stuff from France would be particularly cool, but anything from Europe is fine.

Hi, I've been looking for a certain style of punk for a while now, something that matches Alkaline Trio's first few albums. Dark and clever lyrics, and also a certain guitar tone that I haven't heard anywhere else. and not essential, but also taking the time to jam for extended passages periodically would be great too.

it's hard to explain, but I'm mostly focused on matching the lyrical style of this band more than anything else.

Anyone have recommendations for some lesser known bands in the 90's European hardcore scene? I'm a big fan of a lot of the Belgian stuff (Arkangel, Liar, Congress, LoT, etc.) and I've been listening to unhealthy amounts of Kickback lately. Stuff from France would be particularly cool, but anything from Europe is fine.

I'd recommend doing some searches of stuff put out by German label, Skuld Releases.They released a humongous comp with Profane Existence called "Whispers!" with loads of relatively obscure and well-known bands alike, many European, but IDK if many/any were French.

I discovered Akutt Innleggelse [Norway] thru the Cleanse The Bacteria comp, and I think they are really excellent (though they didn't release a whole lot: some comps, a 7" and a demo tape, I believe).

Apparently some of the members went on to form Turbonegro, but that's neither here nor there considering I have no real interest in that band, I just figure it might entice Turbonegro fans to check them out...

Hi, I've been looking for a certain style of punk for a while now, something that matches Alkaline Trio's first few albums. Dark and clever lyrics, and also a certain guitar tone that I haven't heard anywhere else. and not essential, but also taking the time to jam for extended passages periodically would be great too.

it's hard to explain, but I'm mostly focused on matching the lyrical style of this band more than anything else.

Anyone have recommendations for some lesser known bands in the 90's European hardcore scene? I'm a big fan of a lot of the Belgian stuff (Arkangel, Liar, Congress, LoT, etc.) and I've been listening to unhealthy amounts of Kickback lately. Stuff from France would be particularly cool, but anything from Europe is fine.

I'd recommend doing some searches of stuff put out by German label, Skuld Releases.They released a humongous comp with Profane Existence called "Whispers!" with loads of relatively obscure and well-known bands alike, many European, but IDK if many/any were French.

I discovered Akutt Innleggelse [Norway] thru the Cleanse The Bacteria comp, and I think they are really excellent (though they didn't release a whole lot: some comps, a 7" and a demo tape, I believe).

Apparently some of the members went on to form Turbonegro, but that's neither here nor there considering I have no real interest in that band, I just figure it might entice Turbonegro fans to check them out...

That's all I can think of off the top of my head.

I've actually been looking for the Whispers! comp for quite awhile! I'm always broke when it comes up for a reasonable price though...

The AI stuff isn't really the sound I was after, but it was still good. Will be looking into them more when I'm in the mood for that sort of thing. Thanks.

That's too bad. I was lucky to find it really cheap at a local record store!If nothing else, it's easy to find rips online.

I'll dig around some more and see if I can find a better recommendation (I'm not familiar with the bands you listed; the AI recommendation was just a shot in the dark).

EDIT: Maybe you'd enjoy Left In Ruins [the one from Italy... there's like 50 bands with that name, seems like. They are from this millennium though, haha...].http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x38MNna3ggwIncidentally, there's a US band with the same name that do a somewhat comparable style of HC, supposing you have any interest in that. They had a split with a band called Amalgamation in around '97, should you need a point of reference.

Not really digging the Disfear or Skitsystem. Too much stock dbeat in the sound (not to say I dislike d-beat in general, just isn't what I'm looking for right now), not enough heaviness and aggression. Its the whole beatdown-meets-swedeath package I'm after rather than just the guitar tone.

Not really digging the Disfear or Skitsystem. Too much stock dbeat in the sound (not to say I dislike d-beat in general, just isn't what I'm looking for right now), not enough heaviness and aggression. Its the whole beatdown-meets-swedeath package I'm after rather than just the guitar tone.

Black Breath is pretty close though.

Plenty of heavy beatdowny hardcore like Xibalba that's better too.

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Unforgivable is my favorite, but Worthless is probably as overproduced as Nails and Xibalba, so you might dig it more.

Hi, I've been looking for a certain style of punk for a while now, something that matches Alkaline Trio's first few albums. Dark and clever lyrics, and also a certain guitar tone that I haven't heard anywhere else. and not essential, but also taking the time to jam for extended passages periodically would be great too.

it's hard to explain, but I'm mostly focused on matching the lyrical style of this band more than anything else.

Nah, but I live in Huntsville, AL. bands used to go back and forth between the two cities a lot.

Anyway, if you liked those two, you may (possibly... or not) like Sexy, which was a band before Future Virgins. I'm pretty sure they only had one album released called Por Vida:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw8Uepu8m5M

hey fellows I am looking for some speedy street punk with tons of sing along choruses, but maybe with some heavier leanings, and gang shouts if possible. But it doesn't really matter for the last two requirements I just need some good catchy punk to get me through the work day.

hey fellows I am looking for some speedy street punk with tons of sing along choruses, but maybe with some heavier leanings, and gang shouts if possible. But it doesn't really matter for the last two requirements I just need some good catchy punk to get me through the work day.

hey fellows I am looking for some speedy street punk with tons of sing along choruses, but maybe with some heavier leanings, and gang shouts if possible. But it doesn't really matter for the last two requirements I just need some good catchy punk to get me through the work day.

(not a crust band, but surely you see where I'm going here with the song example).

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funny thing is i have heard crass and siege (who are one of the angriest 80's core bands i have heard) but never looked at it that way...this (sawthroat) just seemed sludgier but maybe its just presentation and differences of sound/production and the slight industrial sludge/doom touches ....