27 Psychological Reasons Why Good People Do Bad Thingshttp://www.businessinsider.com/27-psychological-reasons-why-good-people-do-bad-things-2012-8/comments
en-usWed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500Sun, 02 Aug 2015 20:54:21 -0400Max Nisen and Aimee Grothhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/503ea0fcecad045d46000019ibsteve2uWed, 29 Aug 2012 19:08:44 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/503ea0fcecad045d46000019
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/503e9affecad04e039000012forgotone22Wed, 29 Aug 2012 18:43:11 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/503e9affecad04e039000012
You just proved my point...
"fight fire with fire"... this is the mentality that victims have... I'm being victimized so i have to fight back.
If throwing mud is 'bad'... then it's bad, period. If you engage in it you are engaged in something bad. Obama engages in it though because he feels like he can't win without it.. hence he will be a victim of it if he doesn't use it himself.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/503ced7069bedd1912000006AnonTue, 28 Aug 2012 12:10:24 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/503ced7069bedd1912000006
Agreed, The whole time I was reading this article I was thinking it should have been titled 28 ways of missing the point.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/503cd2766bb3f76b6b000008John BTue, 28 Aug 2012 10:15:18 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/503cd2766bb3f76b6b000008
While I recognize not all people reading this will ascribe to what I believe is a foundational truth, I will risk it and lay it out anyway:
The premise in the title of the piece is wrong; "27 Psychological Reasons Why Good People Do Bad Things". Genesis 6:5 - The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time. And Matthew 15:19 - For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.
The point is, this is the foundational problem which plaques all men. It is then simply a case of men sometimes, if even for somewhat longer periods, do "good things", rather than men with a natural inclination toward good. Even Plato agreed with this.
It is in fact in man's nature to be selfish and to act on this selfishness sometimes in ways that startle many of us. Rather than seeking what it is that "causes" (good) men to do bad things, we should see it in reverse and be glad when men act out of kindness or genuine concern for others for this is the thing that we rarely see.
No matter how much the psychology community tries to work this, they will continue to be "dumbfounded" by the apparent slide in human behavior because they are looking at it wrong.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/503cd0f7ecad047229000001ibsteve2uTue, 28 Aug 2012 10:08:55 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/503cd0f7ecad047229000001
Re: "That's exactly what Obama is doing right now... the 'right' constantly throws mud at us, so let's do it back. Sure, it's the polar opposite of who he presented himself to be in 2008 - the proverbial 'good guy' - but he sees himself as the victim and so excuses his 'attack ads' as justifiable."
That's bogus. Why does the right stoop to such tactics? Beyond it's their personality, because THEY WORK. If you're in a gunfight and you refuse to bring anything other than a knife, then you're going to lose.
If you want to put the "onus" on somebody, put it on the number of Americans who allow themselves to be influenced by negative ads - who are so intellectually and otherwise lazy that they simply "believe" rather than research and verify.
Obama is a political leader; that is, he must cater to the American people and what influences them. Their is a huge chunk who bind to the right simply because of the right's negativity - because of the Republican willingness to tell anybody and everybody who it is "OK" to look down upon/despise/hate.
Sometimes the tactics of the enemy and the need to protect the American people from them demand that you fight fire with fire.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/503c73c46bb3f7c83500002bFire up a JTue, 28 Aug 2012 03:31:16 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/503c73c46bb3f7c83500002b
This was a FANTASTIC story and I believe it should be nominated for BI story of the year. And the comments above are GREAT. Black Swan, DeDe and Forgotone22, outstanding! Stay STRONG, my brothers and sisters! -- Firehttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/503c6e90eab8eae232000007PercyTue, 28 Aug 2012 03:09:04 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/503c6e90eab8eae232000007
Actually it is there. No 7 - Self Serving Bias. But your name for it is much much better - Victim Mentality.
But 27 excuses for bad behavior is an useless study. Instead of them, we can reduce everything to one variable - human beings are capable of bad things. From a managerial perspective, a few of them are relevant to ensure organizational morale & culture.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/503c4e62eab8eaa95b000016StevexTue, 28 Aug 2012 00:51:46 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/503c4e62eab8eaa95b000016
..it's called the human RACE for a reason..life is a competition.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/503c37016bb3f7f350000003DeDeMon, 27 Aug 2012 23:12:01 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/503c37016bb3f7f350000003
Nicely put and I believe true.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/503c3684eab8ea3a1e000018DeDeMon, 27 Aug 2012 23:09:56 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/503c3684eab8ea3a1e000018
Well I recognize all those impulses in me and like most people I consider myself a good person. I've met felons in my work and I'm pretty sure they thought they were good people too. You are usually so thoughtful on articles. I think this was quite informative. Like cognitive biases, best to be self-informed and to minimize the part of one's mind which includes the things we don't know we know. Not that we can ever know the magnitude of that.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/503c22b36bb3f73123000005lukmanleongMon, 27 Aug 2012 21:45:23 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/503c22b36bb3f73123000005
stand up against the bully, shows that bad things are not the privilege of bad people.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/503be7e26bb3f7c134000014forgotone22Mon, 27 Aug 2012 17:34:26 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/503be7e26bb3f7c134000014
Great article (or at least kick at the can on this subject)... but I think you missed out the #1 reason 'good' people do 'bad' things.
The number one driver, in my opinion, is the 'victim mentality'. Most people will do the wrong thing if they possess a victim mentality. I've been wronged (in life, in my job, in my relationship, whatever) so it's only fair I balance the scales. I got screwed on this hand, so I'm going to take with the other hand. Why does Jim get the 1.5M mansion, he's no more deserving of that than me, I'm getting screwed and I'm going to get what's mine.
It's a form of rationalization. People who do bad things know they are bad, but rationalize their behavior, almost always, using a victim mentality - either 'I have no choice' or 'In the grand scheme of things this balances the scales out.'
Now as they get away with doing bad things, then it becomes habitual as they realize that they can get ahead by breaking the rules. At this point the victim mentality may cease to be the driver and basic greed for the sake of greed takes affect. But the original driving factor that led them down the path is almost always the victim mentality.
If you were to hook Murdoch up to a lie detector I bet you'd find his rationale for phone taping people was 'It's a competitive market out there, we had no choice to remain on top, and there are plenty of bastards out there that would love to see me go down in flames and I'm not going to let that happen. I had no choice, I either did that or let my competitor do it and put me out of business."
It's really not complex. Most abusers actually see themselves as the victims as well. I didn't want to hit you but YOU disrespected me blah blah blah.
The simpliest and easiest way to by-pass your conscience is to put the onus on others... they wronged me so its only fair I wrong them.
That's exactly what Obama is doing right now... the 'right' constantly throws mud at us, so let's do it back. Sure, it's the polar opposite of who he presented himself to be in 2008 - the proverbial 'good guy' - but he sees himself as the victim and so excuses his 'attack ads' as justifiable.
Gandhi and many others have made this phenomena very clear. If you want to be good and remain good, you have to be STRONG, because life isn't fair. If you think like a victim you will eventually give in to the urge to get what you deserve by any means necessary.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/503bc3bb6bb3f72774000008black swanMon, 27 Aug 2012 15:00:11 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/503bc3bb6bb3f72774000008
"Reasons Why Good People Do Bad Things"
One reason only, they are not good people.