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"If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. " Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1

"If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. " Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1

No, I assume they just don't have the visceral negative reaction to the Nazi imagery. To be fair, the Nazis knew how to dress and design stuff. It's a bit spoiled by the mass murder and stuff, though.

The packaging was better than the product, that's for sure.

Hitler and Nazi imagery are popular in India and Thailand. Can't blame them, it's a distance thing.
We had a department store here sell products with Mao on them, until there were complaints.
There's a flower pot shop in Amsterdam called Pol's Pots. I kid you not.

So even when they are used in exactly the same fashion to achieve the same results you fail to see any equivalence? What messages can be used to intimidate someone that is bad and what can you ignore as just trolling?

If they wanted everyone to dismiss them as trolls they should have kept it to the basic rape and death threats.

So we have a mind reader or clairvoyant person... And with some set of "odd" suggestions.

Originally Posted by Argumemnon

Depends what you mean by "most of the world", given that it's used as a religious symbol in China, India, Japan and other places in asia.

I was mostly thinking about excluding India. Didn't think it was that widespread.

Originally Posted by catsmate

Hmm, given the eye in your avatar you seem more likely to be the supervillainess Evil Eye to me.

Nah, I am going by trope "Red is heroic" or at least subversion and by "Dark Is not evil".

They can't have been that racist, since they played together for years without noticing. To me, the moral of this story is that even racists can be tolerant and supportive team players.

Maybe racism isn't such a grave sin after all. Everybody is some kind of bigot. All we can ask of each other is that we keep it to ourselves and show basic respect in mixed company.

But I'm guessing the way your wife tells the story, none of her students ever realized that for years, these racists treated her not like an inferior other, but like a teammate. And none of her students ever reflected on what that might say about racism as a social issue.

Originally Posted by Caper

Yeah ponderingturtle,
Have your wife ponder that for a while.

In other words, if when playing sports no overt racism is expressed, that means all the "minor" issues are solved as well, such when a minority attempts to move into a majority neighborhood, dares to try marrying into a majority family, or applies for a job.... Brilliant! How wonderfully simple! This 'pondering' sure has deepity.

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"If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. " Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1

"If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. " Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1

Well, that's all well and good then. Nothing to worry about. As long as we close our eyes and cover our ears, nothing can happen.

Or did you wish to say something else? Are all the reported attacks false flags by African Americans?

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought a little dose of reality would be appreciated on a skeptic's board but if it's stories of (presumably ) white people behaving badly, then it's the story of Pat and Joe in Cincinnati you need

Oh, I'm sorry, I thought a little dose of reality would be appreciated on a skeptic's board but if it's stories of (presumably ) white people behaving badly, then it's the story of Pat and Joe in Cincinnati you need

Exactly all of those we know are popping up must be the results of shifty darkies. It is just like blacks after all always making up discrimination. Why in the old days you never heard any of them signing the blues, just ask Phil Robertson or Cliven Bundy.

My Spanish mother-in-law was debating with a white neighbor about the election (she is against Trump). The argument ended friendly enough but later the neighbor just had to point out that "they were here first". I'm no historian but I'm pretty sure the Spanish were in America before the Brits.

My Spanish mother-in-law was debating with a white neighbor about the election (she is against Trump). The argument ended friendly enough but later the neighbor just had to point out that "they were here first". I'm no historian but I'm pretty sure the Spanish were in America before the Brits.

That's a hell of a massive hate crime wave your mother in law is dealing with.

My Spanish mother-in-law was debating with a white neighbor about the election (she is against Trump). The argument ended friendly enough but later the neighbor just had to point out that "they were here first". I'm no historian but I'm pretty sure the Spanish were in America before the Brits.

That would depend what part of "America" you are in.

Heck, the French were here (Chicago) before the Spanish and the British

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From the stuff posted upthread, it appears there was a spike right after the election, then a quick return to roughly normal levels.

So it's stalled. Let's hope it doesn't return on swearing in.

__________________Circled nothing is still nothing.
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Well, that's all well and good then. Nothing to worry about. As long as we close our eyes and cover our ears, nothing can happen.

Or did you wish to say something else? Are all the reported attacks false flags by African Americans?

I'm confident not all are by African-Americans

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Even politicians aren't safe.
The first Somali-American legislator, Minnesota state representative-elect Ilhan Omar, was harassed by a cab driver in Washington, DC on her way from the White House, where she'd been attending a meeting about policy ideas, last Tuesday.
The cab driver "called me ISIS and threatened to remove my hijab", said Omar who described his words as "the most hateful, derogatory, islamophobic, sexist taunts and threats I have ever experienced".

The deplorables are at it again.

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Even politicians aren't safe.
The first Somali-American legislator, Minnesota state representative-elect Ilhan Omar, was harassed by a cab driver in Washington, DC on her way from the White House, where she'd been attending a meeting about policy ideas, last Tuesday.
The cab driver "called me ISIS and threatened to remove my hijab", said Omar who described his words as "the most hateful, derogatory, islamophobic, sexist taunts and threats I have ever experienced".

The deplorables are at it again.

No, the deplorables have been at it all along.

The spurious point of this thread is that there has been a rise in the rate. I think that is un-falsifiable at the level of verbal insults.

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Anyone with a can of paint or a sharpie can vandalize a wall with a swastika. My money is on the special snowflakes that didn't get their way in the election trying to stir up sympathy.

There are ******** and racists out there, but no more than before the election and on both sides of the fence.

__________________"Such reports are usually based on the sighting of something the sighters cannot explain and that they (or someone else on their behalf) explain as representing an interstellar spaceship-often by saying "But what else can it be?" as though thier own ignorance is a decisive factor." Isaac Asimov

Why would the original story be given consideration as news? Any, non provable statement is now taken as proof unto itself?

__________________"Such reports are usually based on the sighting of something the sighters cannot explain and that they (or someone else on their behalf) explain as representing an interstellar spaceship-often by saying "But what else can it be?" as though thier own ignorance is a decisive factor." Isaac Asimov