Wilderness and infamy beckon for Labor lost

Piers Akerman

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Thursday,
December,
06,
2012,(5:48pm)

LABOR sage John Faulkner has again called for sweeping reform of the ALP - in what is now an annual address.

Hailed as an elder statesman, the NSW senator this week used his pulpit atop the reeking dung heap that remains of Labor to reprise his address of June 9, 2011, which, in turn, did not stray far from the reforms he and former Labor premiers Bob Carr and Steve Bracks came up with a year earlier.

His theme then was the need for power to be returned to members: “The party belongs to those who belong to it and support it and not merely to those who represent it and are employed by it.

“The Australian Labor Party was formed because working men and women in Australia needed a voice in parliament. The need for such a party still exists, and it will still exist even if Labor should fail the test of reform.”

There is evidence of failure aplenty. Look no further than The Lodge. The spotlight on factions has roused ousted former Labor prime minister Kevin Rudd, always available for a quote or hopefully a return as Numero Uno, if someone would nobble the factional powerbrokers as successfully as the Faulkner-Carr-Bracks reforms were nobbled.

Rudd said power must be returned to party members and removed from “unelected factional faceless men” (like those who organised the putsch which dumped him) and their culture.

He said the powerbrokers had done everything they could to resist party reform, failing to implement even watered-down changes agreed to at last year’s ALP national conference. The dominant right faction used its numbers at the conference to nobble Faulkner’s last reform blueprint, drafted with fellow party elders Bracks and Carr.

“The national conference of the ALP looked at that and said it was all too hard,” Mr Rudd told Brisbane radio 4BC.

“Then they said they would establish a committee to implement it. In the 12 months since then, I’m advised, it has met once. That’s not good enough. That’s to consider the implementation of a watered-down report.

“So, I think as a party of reform, as a party on the progressive side of politics, we have to get real.”

Labor’s problem with the adoption of the suggested reforms was identified by another Labor elder, former NSW education minister Rodney Cavalier, a noted Labor historian and essayist and leading member of Faulkner’s left faction, who said last year: “What John said was unassailably correct. There’s probably fewer than 30 people in the whole of NSW who would disagree with him, but every one of those 30 people has a vested, material interest in seeing (reform) defeated.

“If John Faulkner’s thoughts come to pass, it is the end of the political careers of most of our senators and a good number of lower house members and machine operatives. They cannot survive with the oxygen of democracy.”

Cavalier told The Australian’s Paul Kelly that Faulkner’s suggested reforms had “zero chance” of being adopted and that the party was “totally divorced from either side of the great Labor equation of a left-wing intelligentsia and people who work for a living”.

“We serve neither constituency,” he said.

Failing genuine reform, the Labor Party could concentrate on its apology strategy to galvanise disenfranchised voters and reinvigorate the economy.

Following the success of the national apologies to the so-called Stolen Generation and various constituencies of individuals who have suffered institutional abuse, there appears to be a healthy appetite for apology among those on the left-Green end of the political spectrum.

The possibilities appear endless.

There could be apologies for the great carbon tax lie, the mining tax farce, the undelivered company tax cut, the still-to-be implemented Henry tax review report, the four biggest budget deficits in Australian history, the open-ended NBN commitment, the lethal pink batt program, the costly set-top box digital program and costly green loans, GroceryWatch, FuelWatch and cash-for-clunkers schemes.

Not forgetting the extravagant bloating of the public service, the destruction of the successful Howard government border protection program, the abolition of the beneficial chronic disease dental scheme, work for the dole, and introduction of the green and red-tape regulation responsible for strangling big and small businesses.

Oh, the cattle industry could do with an apology for the disastrous ban on live cattle exports, our armed forces would appreciate an apology for the cuts to their services, and our friends, the Israelis, should be apologised to for Labor’s recent disgraceful lack of support in the UN.

And, as the calendar comes round again to Australia Day, there could be apology for the outrageous attempt to engineer a race riot last year - an attempt that was fomented within the Prime Minister’s own office.

Perhaps even an apology to Faulkner for failing to press for the reforms he has repeatedly suggested, though that may be an apology too far for a Prime Minister, who remains the beneficiary of continuing support of the decidedly unreformed and unrepentant and anti-reformist faceless men of the Australian Labor Party.

Have Your Say

And we all now why LABOR is spelt this way, beacause its all about them not U.

We the people replied to kate
Fri 07 Dec 12 (01:25am)

A rotten tree doesn’t produce good fruit and the rotten tree of union labor has once again ruined our country with their media lackeys clamoring like deranged chimps hurling their insults at anyone that possesses intellect.

The Australian majority that will throw out this trash in 2013 and simply holds its nose from the stinking malodor of the “new paradigm” which is like gangrene on this country until the 2013 election when this trash “the new paradigm” will be dragged kicking and screaming and thrown in the trash bin of history like rotten filthy garbage with their media lackeys.

Union labor Traitors everyone that deliberately set out to destroy our economy and has succeeded in doing so implementing Bob Browns and labors insane plan of destroying our economy.

The hawkers the oakeshotts the windsors the garnauts and the rest of these turkies will be stuffed by Christmas 2013.
Shame on the media that supported these degenerate incompetent idiots “new paradigm” in their attack on our once great economy and their attack on ordinary Australians as “deniers” “dinosaurs” “extremists” et al
Now this same media are deserting the sinking ship of the new paradigm like rats

Our country will take off like a rocket again as soon as these leeches are removed from the arteries of power.

2013 the year of getting our country back!!

victoria replied to kate
Fri 07 Dec 12 (06:43am)

Do you think SHE might say sorry for the debacle of asylum seeker policy getting worse by the day ? 400 just moved into our community with advocates and the Red Cross assisting them to campain for more. But don’t worry, the government is paying for it all [as opposed to taxpayers !] and it only costs $30,000 per person per year. BARGAIN !!!
We must be internationally known as mugs, because the New Zealand Centrelink has been giving one way tickets to Australia to unemployed Kiwis....for the past few years. They too can get benefits after two years.

Nemesis replied to kate
Fri 07 Dec 12 (07:20am)

GK......Labor is a latin word and that is how it is spelt. It was the English who put the silent vowel into the word. But for what purpose does a silent vowel serve?

Generations may change Piers but ultimately human nature is what it is which once again your article summarizes the current debacle well.

When Senior member’s of Brand Bull-shite are repeatedly espousing change within a putrid organisation that seems to have ingested a warning from a ciggy packet then one knows that ‘all is not good in the hood’.

The current Corruption circus in NSW may well be a mild bellwether event for what will be revealed after the next swing of the electoral bat.

As Foulyanova is oft quoted..."Bring it on!”

OldOzzie replied to kate
Fri 07 Dec 12 (08:42am)

kate,

what is more frighteneing is how Gillard and the Labor Party are slowly taking away our personal freedom under the “Boiling Frog” scenario outlined by Jon Roskam and Mark Steyn in this article in the Australian Financial Review today

The year 2012 should be remembered in Australia as the year of the boiling frog. Much of the analysis about the past year will concentrate on things like the nastiness of Parliament, whether the boom is over, and the condition of the federal budget.

What will be missed in all of the discussion about 2012 is something that isn’t talked about too much these days, namely civil liberties.

The number and variety of threats to the civil liberties of Australians during 2012 approached almost unprecedented levels.

If next year the Gillard government succeeds in its aims of regulating the press, imposing surveillance over the personal electronic communications of every person, and making it against the law to offend someone because of their political opinion, Australians will be substantially less free next year than they were this year.

The Canadian writer and commentator Mark Steyn talked about boiling frogs on his visit to Australia earlier this year. A frog put into a pot of boiling water will jump out. But put a frog in a pot of cold water, gradually turn up the heat and the frog won’t notice until too late it is being boiled to death.

As Steyn said, so it is with personal freedoms. When civil liberties are taken away, gradually and bit by bit, few notice what’s happening. During 2012, no less than eight separate pieces of Commonwealth legislation removed the right to silence for individuals accused of committing an offence. The erosion of basic legal rights now passes without comment.

However, there’s something even worse than the laws the government wants to pass. What’s more dangerous is the way that, during the year, the Gillard government stepped up its efforts to inculcate in the community a particular set of attitudes. Australians are now urged to find sexism, racism, and discrimination at every turn.

The Prime Minister’s misogyny speech was noteworthy because it revealed the sense of grievance the Gillard government wants Australians to experience in all walks of life, not just in politics.

Where no sexism, racism or discrimination is obvious, we’re now actively encouraged to go looking for it, and if we can’t find sexism, racism or discrimination, the government will find it for us. This is the approach found in a host of legislation ranging from the Fair Work Act, to the Workplace Gender Equality Act which was passed last month, to the Human Rights and Anti-Discrimination Bill which will go to Parliament next year.

The irony is that while schoolchildren are encouraged by their parents and teachers to be resilient, a generation of grown-ups is told by government to take offence at the drop of a hat.

There’s a variety of motivations for the Labor Party’s assaults on civil liberties during 2012. In part, there is what has always existed in the Left, namely the preference for social control, and this is most apparent in the ALP’s efforts to control the press. Also at play is the desire to impose equality.

But equality comes at the expense of freedom. Making it illegal for a Christian, Jewish or Muslim school to discriminate, and give preference to job applicants who are of the same faith as the parents at the school, ensures all applicants are treated equally regardless of their religion, but it also means that parents do not have the freedom of choosing who should teach their children.

Why Labor is persisting with its plans to give the security agencies and the federal police practically untrammelled surveillance powers over every Australian’s computer and telephone is more of a mystery. Most likely the Gillard government has been snowed by the security agencies, just as every other government has been.

The Coalition thankfully, after some initial hesitation, did finally say it opposed Labor’s plans to restrict the press. But on internet surveillance and the changes to the anti-discrimination laws, the Coalition has gone missing in action. As yet the Coalition has refused to say what its position is on these issues, and whether it is appropriate in a free society for someone who claims they were offended by a comment about their political opinion to be able to take the person who made that comment to court.

Budget deficits are serious, but they can be fixed. Civil liberties, on the other hand, once they’re gone are not easily won back. And civil liberties are even more difficult to recover when the mindset of people is changed so that people don’t care whether or not they regain what they’ve lost.

John Roskam is the executive director of the Institute of Public Affairs.

Popular Front replied to kate
Fri 07 Dec 12 (08:55am)

Wtp, don’t forget Flannery. He’d be the first one for the bum’s rush if I was in charge. “Go dig up some old bones, you fraud!”

John Bull replied to kate
Fri 07 Dec 12 (10:07am)

@ Victoria.
Actually Kiwis can’t get benefits in Australia unless they gain residence. Same as anyone.
And half go back home to NZ. The others usually become Aussies. And while here they pay taxes, and do alot of low level jobs.

I have never met a kiwi on a benefit, and most I talk to think benefits are stealing from someone elses table.
I could only wish more Aussies thought that.

On a side note, I remember reading their are 380,000 aussies living in NZ.

Just some food for thought.

The Bull

Hmmm replied to kate
Fri 07 Dec 12 (11:23am)

Nothing naive about this Labor governemnt which since November 2007 has deliberately out to destroy this country
and is unfortunately succedding whilst we can but stand and
watch.

As Simon Benson tells us - there will be no early election for
these dangerous fools as who else would employ them at
the salaries and perks they now receive courtesy the
Australia taxpayers.

And where else could they whilst drawing huge salaries
daily flip the bird and laugh in the face of those who employ
them as their mad throbbing mardi gras raves on.

Gillard Rudd Labor defies belief and what is more disconcerting they think they’ve done nothing wrong and
are in fact a great government of fairness and compassion
ensuring the nations future is taken care of.

Rural Joseph replied to kate
Fri 07 Dec 12 (11:35am)

Thats right Kate “Sorry"is just a word. A word trashed by Labor in every concievable way. But a word that the majority of australians should presently be feeling in a deep and meaningful way. Sorry they believed, before the 2010 election, a Labor leader who through the course of her self endowed prime ministership has shown the truth is something she is not capable of uttering, let alone answer a question with a “Yes"or a “No”.

Sorry that in believing her lie the election result was so close that Julia was able to conscript two of the the most deceitful grubs to ever inhabit parliament to place her in the lodge.

Sorry that only now do they understand that the Labor party is beyond redemption, and they were only too happy to be in government by allowing Julia to convive with the independents and greens to alter our way of life.

But voters have a way to abolish the need for feeling sorry by “Putting out the trash"on election day. The only message Labor, the independents and greens will understand is annihilation.

Forget everything you see in the media from the Government from here to electon day and just concentrate on two things, GET RID OF THE MINORITY GOVERNMENT and PUT PRESSURE ON THE OPPOSITION TO CHANGE ALL THE MISTAKES OF LABOR.

James replied to kate
Fri 07 Dec 12 (12:31pm)

@Nemesis: I would have thought Labeeeer which is the pronunciation of Labor with a U makes a lot more sense than Labor when you consider the British accent.

James replied to kate
Fri 07 Dec 12 (12:47pm)

@OldOzzie: what I find really bizarre is how Labor really could have thought that after the successful Howard et al period they could simply waltz in and start behaving and treating people in this way. I mean how could they have possibly believed that people would start clapping and saying “yay, treat me like shite and do it everyday in the most insulting and disrespectful and degrading way ... I don’t mind, no really I mean it, I don’t”. Whitlam tried the same thing after Menzies and apart from maladministration his arrogance and ego and ignorance as to anyone else’s sensitivities got him only a few years. Look at Hawke, at least made the attempt to say to everyone I care about all of you, result? the whole nation loved him. Look at Keating self absorbed, arrogant, egotistical sneerer at anyone who wouldn’t agree with him, didn’t last long and was probably loathed more than loved. Now Labor is doing it all over again, with the Gillards, Emersons, Albaneses, Conroys (I demand you wear red underpants on your head ... NOW!), Swans. It’s all part of the endless Labor disease of self absorption, arrogance, nanny knows best and everyone is stupid except for us hubris that only ever gets them a few years in office. Australians put up with only because they are vote in on the back of “we just want something different” after long periods in office by the Libs/Coalition. Only when they see the same old patterns do they realise their mistake and they put the conservatives back in office again to regain a modicum of self respect back.

Have you been looking at the ICAC hearings at the moment? It is nothing short of grotesque, absolutely grotesque. Come December 2013 the people will see a montage of all this Labor corruption and feel sick to the stomach. Labor will be blasted out of office. They don’t represent anyone at all, they have no constituency, all they do is look to office for self interest and what they can get out of it. The MO is; Suck em in, get in, then do em in.

Ozzie Voter replied to kate
Fri 07 Dec 12 (12:51pm)

Old Ozzie - this is classic Communism on the march, where government controls everything, and the rights of the individual are gradually eroded.

Most people by this time will have noticed the blatant arrogance of this government, who believe they can re-write the rules with impunity.
Old Ozzie -
Our Parliamentary procedure is being abused. Standards have fallen dramatically, and the ruling ‘elite’ are trashing the old values of respect and dignity and replacing them with arrogance and bully-boy tactics. This is largely a reflection on theTrade Union background of most of our Ministers in the house of Reps.

As you say, when it is done slowly and quietly (no protests from the Media) people are not aware of what is happening, and are ignorant of the long-term effects these changes to our civil liberties will have. We are going down the same path as Communist Russia, where people’s aspirations have been eroded by a rapacious government with the result that these people no longer aspire to anything. Their spirit long broken.

“Australians are now urged to find sexism, racism, and discrimination at every turn.”

Julia should have attended the Labor branch meetings in the Leichhardt Municipality during the late 1970s and early 1980s. I would have found all three in one second. The Rozelle East Branch like the Annandale South Branch are truly a pack of morons.

Talk about Packed To The Rafters with school teachers. Not one of these idiots could explain why my children had to sit on a flea-bitten Persian Rug at Erskineville Public School.

Once Ann Catling and Robyn Floyd (The only woman to be elected to the all-ALP Leichhardt Council in 1980; Well Congratulations My Dear!) found out that I was a friends with former NSW Upper House MP, Peter Baldwin and Peter Crawford the former State Member for Balmain who was later beaten in the March 1988 poll by Dawn Fraser after one term (ouch that’s gotta hurt!), I then obtained some idea how the Russians felt during the Siege of Leningrad.

I DON’T GIVE A CRAP ABOUT YOUR CAREER AT THE RESERVE BANK CATLING!!!!

And you can bet there will never be an apology for the hundreds of people who died on leaky boats because this PM and her government were too ‘pig ignorant’ to reverse their asylum seeker policy when its deadly consequences were evident (and still are).

And, after todays stupid ‘end of the world’ video for some ditzty, brain-dead, radio programme, will she apologise for making a mockery of the coveted position as Prime Minister of Australia ... partaking in a stunt in front of the Australian flag - our flag? Will she apologise for those poor souls who may see this video and be terrified out of their lives? Or the mockery this will bring internationally?

If Faulkner really wants to save his beloved ALP, he could do no better than publicly demand that this woman, posing as being representative of the Australian people, resign ... now. Otherwise, he can ‘go whistle in the wind’ - of which there is aplenty.

Nonna, you have hit the mark. Once again - Gillard’s reputation of having lousy judgement by doing this stunt is out there for all to see. It certainly will go into the ‘What was she thinking?’ file.
Anyway she is too late saying the world is GOING to end. For many of us the world as we know it ended the day she bought her way into power.
If this piece was filmed in the office of the prime minister, (and I really hope it was not) then such an action is all the more deplorable.
Just in case Gillard hasn’t noticed, our borders have and are being breached every day. The economy is tanking, and we are on the verge of stagflation. People cannot pay their power bills, but dhe has time for this nonsense. Just what planet is she on?
She is the leader of a government that is in a state of ongoing crisis, doing nothing but surviving for 24 hours and then the next 24 and so on until it cannot survive any longer, probably because of some event beyond its control.
That is why hopes for an early election are just that.
Many Labor MPs and the ‘independents’ know that they will never get the same rate of pay they get now out here in the real world. They won’t willingly throw that away.
That is why Labor’s answer to those of us asking for an opportunity to change our futures with an early election is the arrogant response -
“EARLY ELECTION? - WHISTLE AND WAIT FOR IT”

GetOut replied to Nonna
Fri 07 Dec 12 (05:58am)

What was that stupid video all about? Is she taking a leaf out of Obama’s playbook by trying the “I’m a comedian” routine and trying to be funny. No one’s laughing with her only at her.

Nonna replied to Nonna
Fri 07 Dec 12 (06:36am)

Gonk and GetOut,

I just hope the Coalition exploits that stupid behaviour by the PM during the upcoming election campaign:

“Dear fellow Australians, the end of the world is coming under a government I lead.”

Would she have performed this piece of foolishness for Radios 2UE or 2GB?

So much for the dignity of the coveted Office of Prime Minister.

Fox replied to Nonna
Fri 07 Dec 12 (08:14am)

It’s easy to dismiss that “end of the world” video as a stunt, but it goes a long way towards explaining current government strategies. Did you think it was a coincidence that the budget surplus would be delivered in 2013? That the disability insurance scheme would become effective in about 2018? That the NBN wil be delivered… when? (It’s gone very quiet, hasn’t it???) Ms Gillard is obviously going for an each-way bet here; either the world will end and she will never be called to account for her policy failures, or the world won’t end and everyone will be so relieved that all will be forgiven. Damn, on past form Labor will probably try to claim credit for saving the world from the Mayan “prophesy”

Big Ears lover replied to Nonna
Fri 07 Dec 12 (09:42am)

Hi there, Nonna, Gonk and GetOut,

On another stupid radio stunt up here on the Gold Coast (her minions we pay are like gremlin, they’re crawling everywhere) the three hosts, one being Merrick Watts, had a competition to see whose add could sell the Carbon (no mention of Dioxide) Tax best? So they set about insulting our ears to the tune of existing commercials with ‘Carbon Tax’ strategically placed to make it sound wonderful. I realised this is the sort of brainwashing Hitler would have done, had he had social media back then. He would have won the war. Gillard’s advisers are diabolical, and they are everywhere.

fay of perth replied to Nonna
Fri 07 Dec 12 (10:22am)

Gillard needs to apologize to Cardinal Pell and Catholic Church for allowing our brainless media who seem to be intent of crucifying the church itha addressing paedophilia,
How dare the media pass judgement -but that;s nothing new I don’t think they really know what their role is. apart from sucking up to New labor
It;s sickening !
But what can you expect from unintelligent and under-educated airheads )(with the exception of course our conservative commentators. Pies -Tim- Andrew- Miranda- janet and others Thank God for them Without them as our foot-soldiers our cause would be lost.and would just become an Impossible Dream Thanks you guys.
Cheers .
Your old blogging pal.
fay of perth

Frank of NQ replied to Nonna
Fri 07 Dec 12 (10:31am)

I have shown the you tube video to a few people. Interesting initial reaction from all of them. Not one person believed it was really Gillard. Do we all need to lower our expectations of what is Prime Ministerial humour?
I am confused now, because It was her. Gillard is having a joke about the world ending, while the ABC are very serious about it. I would watch these people carefully.
But seriously folks. This is our leader?
To quote a tennis term, C’MON?????!!!!!

Mother G replied to Nonna
Fri 07 Dec 12 (10:36am)

I did not find it funny using the Australian flag as a backdrop or using the office of Prime Minister to make a stupid video to appeal to the twitter/facebook generation. The woman has no class, such a contrast to the great Dame Elizabeth who was a lady at all times.

Gonk replied to Nonna
Fri 07 Dec 12 (12:37pm)

I’ve been pondering on Gillard’s JJJ stunt. Was this a desperate attempt to break through and re-engage with the public?
If that was the rationale for it, then there IS such a thing as bad publicity.

Rubyred replied to Nonna
Fri 07 Dec 12 (01:38pm)

I saw that stupid video and can only say “don’t ever go on the stage Julia” The same monotone voice as she uses all the time. Secondrate!
like the owner.

Jimmy the dragger replied to Nonna
Sat 08 Dec 12 (12:37pm)

I think you’re all missing the point on “the end of the world” address.
She delivered it with a sense of believabilty.
A fine performance.

Now you need to ask yourself how many other addresses to the nation have been exactly the same sort of “fine performances”.

She has just fronted the nation and proved what a good b*llsh*t artist she is.
If this address was a just joke, how many of her other great revelations have been along the same lines?
Have they all been stunts?
Should we believe anything she says in the future?
IT’S all delivered in the same monotone.

I wish I could crap on like that and keep a straight face, not many people can.
Kev was good at it but Julia’s better.
Thommo’s hopeless at it, he’ll never get anywhere.
Faulkner’s not too bad, but he’s already run his race.
Abbott’s hopeless, he couldn’t b#llsh#t his way out an argument with a 5 year old.
We, as a nation, should be proud.
What country has got a better b*llsh*ter leading it, than us?
A girly flirt and great b*llsh*tter at the same time, what more could we want.
I betcha’ Obie was impressed!

Jimmy the dragger replied to Nonna
Sat 08 Dec 12 (01:06pm)

B*gger,
I missed Bracksy.
He was pretty good but he gave it away ‘cause one of his cheeks used to go all puffy when he was trying.
Clunker Carr (I love that!) just opens his mouth and you can tell, so he’s got no hope.
Conroy gives it away, he gets all aggressive and shouty.
Albaneazy goes into snide mode.
Turnbull’s not too bad at it, I s’pose you have to be if you wanna’ flog squiggly light globes.
You could keep this up all day, but the lawns need mowing.
If b#llsh#tting was an Olympic sport, I reckon we’d have some pretty strong candidates.
Is that what the UN is, a competition to find out who’s the best?

Phil M replied to Nonna
Sat 08 Dec 12 (03:11pm)

I can’t see that they owe anyone other than Australians an apology for failing to reverse their asylum seeker policy. It’s not as if they made it legal to come to Australia without a visa. If people drowned they knew the risk they were taking when they stepped on the boat.

If that sounds like a hardline, it’s not. Those deaths were utterly tragic but they were not the fault of the Australian government. If any government is responsible the finger should be pointing directly at Indonesia.

Nonna replied to Nonna
Sat 08 Dec 12 (08:21pm)

Of course, Phil M!

But there should be apologies and condolences all round.

Apologies from Rudd and Gillard for continuing to implement a policy that encouraged people to get on a leaky boat. They had the where-with-all to reverse that policy, but pig-headedness prevented them from doing so.

Sure, we can’t be responsible for those who make a conscious, adult decision to risk their lives. And, we can’t save every endangered child on the planet. But, this government could have taken steps to change their policy so that children were protected from the reckless decisions of their parents and/or ‘guardians’ . This government had that responsibility that was within its capabilitiesto implement.

Gillard passed off her responsibilities to a ‘panel’. In announcing the outcome of their recommendations, did she express any remorse for the dead? If she did, it was either unmemorable or fleeting. She was good at exploiting ‘condolences’ when it came to a personal matter - so was her Labor Party. But, any condolences to the families of those lost at sea?

And yes, the Australian people are deserving of an apology from a government that continued to implement a deadly policy (in their name), even when the results were evident. The ‘national conscience’ was burdened with the matter of hundreds of deaths ... including toddlers and babes-in-arms.

Too, the Indonesians have played their part. Why did they lift visa restrictions on people entering their country?

The only way to deal with this is the hard way. That is, to say ‘no’ to boat arrivals. Give them three choices:

*Be returned, by air, to the port of embarkation
*Be returned to their homeland
*Be sent to a refugee camp of their choice

That would see an end to the smuggling trade, the boats and the deaths ... and to the need to ‘turn the boats back’.

It is achievable and obvious, but will probably never happen - in case ‘it upsets someone’.

It’s a house built of sand, the foundations are crumbling. Knock the whole useless thing down and start again.

Yes, Victoria implode the whole disgraced structure but leave every member of the now utterly defunct, useless, incompetent labor party, greens party and the equal knuckleheaded turncoats in the joint.

Mike replied to victoria
Fri 07 Dec 12 (08:08am)

And that we will victoria!

maria replied to victoria
Fri 07 Dec 12 (08:47am)

That’s right it is under a direct democracy that we will able to maintain honesty-integrity and honesty or “shit happens” will move forward with elegance and taste.

Labor’s problem is, it’s all lungs and no ears.
If it wasn’t for the internet Heiner--HSU and AWU would have just gone sailing off into the sunset without a ripple and Gillard would just go on trashing the country without a care in the world.
Labor were given the voice and abused it.

The internet will keep the bastards honest..........without the filter.

And how desperate they are to introduce a filter, to control the press, to control Australia and to hand our nation over to UN based world government. They are a disgrace not a government for the people of Australia.

Nemesis replied to What a waste
Fri 07 Dec 12 (07:58am)

So what do we do once they start to control it? And if you believe the NBN is about bringing ‘modern technology’ to every Australian household, you have been deceived.

What a waste replied to What a waste
Fri 07 Dec 12 (12:18pm)

Nemesis,
I don’t believe in the NBN and never have.
I think Conroy has backed off the filter because it’s a vote loser and for no other reason.

Gonk replied to What a waste
Fri 07 Dec 12 (02:27pm)

If Labor win a future election, the Filter agenda will be back on - believe me. They never drop a democracy-killing policy, they just shelve it until the chance comes along to ram it through parlament.

Nemesis replied to What a waste
Fri 07 Dec 12 (02:33pm)

Yes, I agree, Conroy the totalitarian has realized that filters do not work as even the most computer illiterate can bypass them.

But you do not need a filter in place to control the individual blogger, or the internet, when paid ‘autonomous’ computer workers can scan the web and block those websites that are deemed to be ‘offensive’ to the bureaucracy in charge.

It is too late for the ALP. They have fiddled while Rome burns. Now the populace is taking to the blogosphere and hunting for the baseball bats come next election. And they have nobody else to blame but themselves.

KRudd no doubt is loving this, but really how after the challenge earlier this year can he be reinstated? Virtually the whole front bench will have to go to including Roxon (breath takingly incompetant, and possibly compromised by the AWU scandal/ fraud squad investigations) Shorten ( up to his eyeballs in the cover up) Conroy ( fellow traveller ) Joe Ludwig ( son of the Godfather) Swan ( Overt Rudd hater) ...I mean the list just goes on.

No, I believe it is truly over for them, especially now as the economy crumbles. And they have no choice but to go to the electorate sooner or later in what will be a bad new year for them.

Can you just begin to imagine the clip bag that the L/NP must have together by now for the election campaign? Apart from the obvious, no carbon tax, I’ll stop the boats, etc., imagine the fantastic impact of Rudd looking into the cameras and saying, “There is a sickness in the Labor party and it needs to be cured.” Who could argue with that?

Piers, from every angle the ALP simply appears to be a monolith founded on ideals & impracticality. From that heady start it has had many years of being populated (or infested) by a very large proportion
of self interested often highly educated but seriously inexperienced
bludgers. Whenever I see one of these types wasting air space on the TV I’m reminded of the alcoholic & drug addled parent admonishing the
children by saying “Don’t do as I do, do as I say!” If Australia can be saved from the current idiocy of socialism (under the thinly disguised
title of big government), then the so called ALP should simply be disbanded! The outdated idiots calling themselves unionists should simply be legislated out of anything to do with government. Not only
would the ALP be forced to think for itself rather than accept orders from mainly unelected & often ignorant selfish unionists, but the unionists themselves would suddenly find themselves actually forced to perform as they haven’t for at least seventy years. Australia would be a much better country to live in for that!

Maurie, a rational adult would expect the ALP to operate as a meritocracy, selecting & promoting members based upon their ability & achievements. Instead what they have become is a cesspit of nepotism. Their “policies” are all ultimately self-serving, their whole system is based around looking after “their own” & tearing down those that stand in their way.

The heads of virtually all unions who end up as ALP parliamentarians these days are university-educated “Main-Chancers” who have never actually worked in the industries they purportedly represented, they are elitist parasites who have conned their way into high office without the dopey plebs who vote for them even realising they are being taken for a ride by consummate liars (the MSM who never makes a point of this is mostly to blame, but the LNP are also strangely silent when it comes to pointing this rather salient fact out to the public).

The AWU/Health Services/NSW ALP ICAC scandals (to name but a few) are obviously just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the antics of these grubs. If a future LNP government has the courage to launch a full Royal Commission into the unions then the whole rotten edifice that is the Unions/ALP will shatter. Bring it on!

Robclo replied to maurie
Fri 07 Dec 12 (05:35pm)

Considering how much corruption, lying and self interest there is in the Labor party, do you really think they would bring in anybody who has any morals and who might blow the whistle? They probably haven’t brought in such a liability for over a decade. That means the ONLY people they can bring into the party are other self interested, corruptible grubs. They simply CAN’T hire on anyone with morals! It would be too risky.

Yes it will be all over by December 21. The world is coming to an end according to Gillard’s tounge in cheek JJJ appreance.

Maybe her world will actually come to an end, certainly by the next time we vote. Not a minute too soon.

She will woft off the stage, exit public life on a very generous pension while she gives us her middle finger.

History will not be kind to her.

Gonk replied to MB
Fri 07 Dec 12 (03:08am)

BillK. If the JJJ stunt was McTernan’s idea, it must mean one of two things.
Either he is preparing to jump the Gillard ship and is deliberately scuttling it first or if Gillard continues to take his kind of ‘masterful’ advice an election win for the Coalition is in the bag. Works for me.

deejay replied to MB
Fri 07 Dec 12 (11:12am)

Here’s hoping “she” meets her “FIN DEL MUNDO” as soon as possible.

Tom replied to MB
Fri 07 Dec 12 (07:04pm)

Gonk and DJ, the McTernan / Gillard thing was about diversion.

The public had woken up to Labor’s disgusting behaviour, McTernan gets Gillard to publish an inanity to push that dialog truth back off the front page.

This tactic works because the average punter is stupid and so are the majority of the left leaning vapid Canberra media. McTernan knows that.

Tony b replied to MB
Sat 08 Dec 12 (10:00am)

Lets hope that JuLiar wasn’t able to get the code for the “Nuclear Football” when she was cosying up Obama’s backside.
Her “Mission Impossible” team will do anything to get her re-elected.
Anything!

Like the rest of her miserable Government, there is no doubt she would turn on us or her own, to gain political mileage or just to spite anyone that goes against her .
This “video” may be a premonition of what will be left of this country if (1) she gets back in power or (2) she is given the boot but then gets her chance to play full back for the Bulldogs and gets to kick a goal with Obama’s “footy” and flick the switch as sweet revenge on those who turned against her..
I wouldn’t put anything past her, this spiteful bitch.
Shame on her, shame on her Government.

We the people replied to MB
Sat 08 Dec 12 (02:54pm)

Like the old hit movie “Weekend at Bernie’s” where losers try to pretend the corrupt boss is still alive so they can keep the truth from getting out

is the real joke of the bulk of the Medias frantic attempts to resurrect the stinking labor carcass (pretending it is still alive like “Weekend at Bernie’s")

Other apologies needed ,an apology for that arrogant creep thompson,one for slippery slimy,one for albothe sleazy,one for mongerel macturdie,one for the geriatric idiot carr,and a Really Huge one for Inflicting the lowest,sleaziest,shiftiest, lying serial Slut on us as “prime monster” .
The People MAY Forgive them in a Generation or six,Abolish Unions and the Alp !

Perhaps the Crime Minister could apologise to the AWU members she helped rip off.
And all married women for calling them prostitutes.
And to Tony Abbott for abusing him on a daily basis to get her kicks....
And to the Australian People for allowing her farce government to continue to bleed the country of every cent it once had......just so she can stay in power.

The list is endless......Gillard, you are a disgrace and so is every one of your nincompoop charlatans you call a cabinet.

Fawkner? Just another weak, self absorbed Labor Stooge......he thinks he’s better than the rest......but if he had real balls, he would have done something instead of quit and write little bits of bulshit every few months.
Why, I bet he has enough on Gilard to bring her down if he really wanted to.........until he does, he’s just another W...Anchor.

TOP Gillard does not have it in her to apologise. Her poorly wired brain does not think she has ever done anything wrong, hence she can never apologise.

It is one of the traits of mental illness.

I have today written to Senator Faulkner as he has suggested improvements to whistleblower legislation. I have long argued that, without protection for those who report wrongdoing, we can have no accountability in public life and this is both vital but unlikely when politicians are involved.

It is a bit rich to suggest improvements when the dangers of disclosure have passed - where was the NSW Senator during the past 6 years as the Orkopoulos whistleblower struggled for justice? Where was the party of the workers, where were the unions standing up for the rights not to be disadvantaged by reporting crimes againt children? The Labor party in NSW took great care to ensure the silence of this former Labor member and employee, and within a month of the final legal hurdle here we have a Labor “elder” telling us how it should really be done - too little too late is my view.

In 2007 the Labor party in NSW was busy ignoring, even sacking, loyal members for daring to question the parachuting in of candidates who, in one case at least, were not even members of the party! That proved disastrous so here we are trying to make amends - again too little too late! Faulkner is indeed standing on a stinking heap of corruption, nepotism, power and influence and the only sensible move would be to jump off while he still can!

Linda. He is a paper tiger. There is no way they will improve, too many snouts in the trough.

Linda replied to Linda
Fri 07 Dec 12 (03:00pm)

Just like to confront them with their misdemeanours Mother G - we shouldn’t let them get away with such hypocrisy and still sleep easy at night!

It is only two state elections ago that Labor was parachuting candidates in and swapping factionally aligned seats - Newcastle was handed to a non Labor right candidate to get Nathan Rees, a leftie into Toongabbie for one. The ordinary members were treated like rubbish and not expected to complain - whole branches were expelled in a classic power struggle. It didn’t work - so whose idea was it and why on earth were they handed Federal Labor to run into the ground like they had NSW - what a massive error of judgement. It was all a game and now they want to stop playing and behave like rational human beings. We should take away our country from them before they have totally ruined us with their student experiments.

Edward James replied to Linda
Sat 08 Dec 12 (11:32am)

Senator Faulkner is simply pointing out the bleeding obvious. It is way past time for voters to do what labor have refused to do for decades get rid of the labor garbage by numbering their ballot papers below the line and making sure labor are not just voted out of power but right out of parliament. There is not enough talk and promises to turn voters around. Labor party members all of whom including Faulkner have permitted Labor to destroy itself from the inside. This Federal election is the time for thinking voters to trow the political garbage out. like plowing the weeds into a paddock. They are unfit to govern and unfit to be in Parliament. Whatever else you do put Labor last on any ballot paper. Edward James

I wonder if Sen Faulkner would be complaining about the factions, if his beloved left-faction controlled NSW. You don’t hear calls from the left in Victoria calling for reform - is that because they control down there ??? Nothing will change in the ALP until they get rid of union control of the party. Just because they are a pro-union party doesn’t mean they should be controlled by them. They dig their own graves.

Exactly, I had a sneaking suspicion Faulkner is using this as a political chance to increase the power of the Left faction. IMO the bloke they trot out as some kind of party conscience isn’t much different from the rest of them, in fact his hypocrisy make it worse in my eyes....

Added to the insult of Australia being borderless and open to all and sundry no matter your antecedents, I read in today’s Gold Coast Bulletin page 5, an article by Jonathan Marshall the reporter(?) in the Alan Jones saga, that “New Zealand has a creative way to reduce unemployment - fund Kiwis’ one-way airfares to Australia so they can find work and not be paid the dole back home.”

Apparently as well, the New Zealand Labor Party when in power, introduced a “transition to work grant” in 2007 to relocate Kiwis on the dole to Australia. The grants up to NZ$1500, but on average NZ$363 were usually paid to fund clothing used for job interviews. Now Labor are in opposition they want it stopped.

On average 1000 New Zealanders a week move to Australia - a record 54,000 moved in the year to July 2012. Most aged between 20 and 29. There can live and work here indefinitely on a Special Category Visa issued electronically to New Zealand passport holders.

2007 wasn’t that about the Kevin 07 timeframe? Piers I would be interested if you have further information on this. It seems the borderless policy is open slather. There is more to this article and worth a read.

GetOut, Over a number of years I have witnessed similar episodes like
this involving Kiwis,South Africans & wait for it .....Christmas Islanders.
I did also witness a few Philippine citizens working within the mining industry. In all cases those who were legally invited here an accepted
either to overcome unemployment or starvation were actively victimized
both by those in authority & also those brain washed idiots who were stupid enough to believe the absolute bullshit fed to them by their uneducated self important & arrogant unions. So GetOut, I ask that you and others who are similarly offended to restrict your disdain for the lazy self serving politicians!

GetOut replied to GetOut
Fri 07 Dec 12 (06:13am)

Maurie, it’s not the Kiwi’s themselves I have disdain for, as you said it’s the politicians in New Zealand who are paying for their unemployed to be shipped here. That to me reeks of unfairness to Australia. Their unemployment is their problem. Under Labor we have become the dumping ground of the Pacific and the way our economy is going this is another impost we can’t afford.

carbon worker replied to GetOut
Fri 07 Dec 12 (07:00am)

To be more accurate, it’s “people with NZ passports” and not real new zealanders that the welfare nation send to Australia, including huge numbers of black africans and chinese.

Aktosplatz replied to GetOut
Fri 07 Dec 12 (08:27am)

There was the Coalition’s Pension Bonus Scheme whereby people who reached retirement agae could continue to work and acquire a bonus over 5 years provided they did not draw any entitlements from Centrelink over that period.

And Rudd stopped it.

He stopped it about the same time he changed the Border Protection Controls and I have the feeling he cancelled the PBS because it was a ‘John Howard Idea’.

GetOut - I am reminded of the words of Nu Sheepland’s greatest PM ever - Sir Robert (Piggy) Muldoon. When questioned about the high emigration rate of Kiwis to Oz, he noted it benefited both countries - it increased the IQ rates of both.

Lord Argyle replied to GetOut
Fri 07 Dec 12 (09:16am)

GO, Australians are also able to live and work in NZ, on the same basis as Kiwis do in Australia. This has always been the case. At least all the Kiwis I know work, are not on the dole or getting free handouts like these pests that are illegals.

On my sheep station in NZ, the farm manager is an Australian and has been employed for 15 years. We also have 3 Australian farmhands.

Lord Argyle

Big Ears lover replied to GetOut
Fri 07 Dec 12 (12:24pm)

It’s all about allowing un-papered young, Muslim men into our country that’s the worry for me, GetOut. The others can be a little pesky, but this religion, Islam, are setting up an army against us, and we’re paying them to do it,

victoria replied to GetOut
Fri 07 Dec 12 (04:07pm)

According to what I read, 500,000 Kiwi’s in Australia, 375,000 Aussies in NZ. Doesn’t that leave 125,000 places for ‘boat arrivals’ ? Seems a bit silly to cram them into Nauru when there are vacant spaces in NZ.
The other issue GetOut did not mention is the criminal records of NZ’s are not being passed on. We seem to be getting an awful lot of them ending up in our jails. Perhaps there needs to be more scrutiny in both countries.

maurie replied to GetOut
Fri 07 Dec 12 (08:00pm)

Victoria, I’m not exactly certain that your statement re records is
correct. Anyway while this fine point is discussed, if anyone out their knows liberal polly, would you please ask them to get out of bed and
start shouting about those absolute mongrel selfish ALP crowd
not only intent on but actually succeeding in taking what was once
a fine nation racing flat out to a failed socialist state. Spain has
23% unemployment, having followed exactly the selfish idiot labor
type tactics!

truth replied to GetOut
Sat 08 Dec 12 (01:25am)

Maurie…@ 8.00pm..

I agree.

We should be hearing a lot more from the Coalition side about all of the damage Labor’s doing to the country.

I’ve ranted about it before, but I have to say it again--- if they don’t discuss it with the Australian people, and explain in detail---not in mantras and buzz words or doorstops----the destructive effects on Australia--- then most Australians who are not on line, will just swallow what the dills on SKY, and their all-Left interviewees except for a couple of Liberal extreme wets tell them , and/or what the ABC tell them---or the insufferable Kochie creature---and before the Coalition knows it, they’ll find themselves at the start of an election campaign, with Labor unscathed by the revelations of their criminality---and multi-millions worth of union and Getup campaign propaganda ready to swamp our airwaves.

The Coalition will find themselves with three to five weeks to explain all of their policies---find an accounting firm in the country that Labor can’t get at, if that’s possible ----to cost their policies---and to get on television enough to get their policies noticed.

They should remember how spectacularly well Beattie went in the QLD election that immediately followed revelations of QLD Inc criminality.

He used the QLD journalists like members of his own personal symphony orchestra---and they ate out of his hands and made the disgusting little Labor creep into everyman’s hero.

There’s no possible way the Coalition can trust Treasury or the so-called Budget Office .

Treasury will wait to see what data they’ve used, then jump up and claim they’ve used the wrong data .

Treasury---because it’s in the tank with Labor---can and will always say they’re wrong.

It will always be the wrong data.

It will be expected of them.

And Treasury will protect Labor in order to protect its precious carbon tax---with the zealotry of a religious crusade.

Piers, this editorial should be archived as one of the best to be kept looking at whilst Labor is in Government. Have taken a copy for my own reference as you never fail to tell us all how it really is.

Piers apologists for Union Labor have been talking reform since Keating Labor were dumped in 1996, these people know what the problems are, union takeover, union corruption, union appointees to their brand only ALP.

Many now Senators and Members of Parliament are corrupt on the Union Labor side, jobs for the boys and the girls based on who owes whom. Who can be trusted to keep their mouth shut, Who knows who.

What a disgusting situation, government by self centred puppets who owe debts to gain opportunities.

Italian Mafia, at the bottom level, the right to watch over parked cars in, say, Florence, Italy. Pay the man on the corner Lire, leave the car unlocked, next morning car intact. Mafia at work petty cash.

Union Mafia, business asked for contribution for worker training, $thousands, peace on work site promised.

Is there any difference?

Our prime minister, see online documentary evidence, was involved in a “slush fund” creation, apparently provided the WA government with a false statement, documented.

A property was purchased, a Statutory Declaration was filed, witnessed by a JEG, signed by a RB in Perth, delivered to Melbourne by a Bruce Wilson for JEG to witness?

Prime Minister, Ralph Blewitt has written to you asking you to resign, or at least stand aside as you asked Peter Slipper to do, until the allegations against you are investigated,

Lets hope “something very special “.....happens for Australians.....
I could think of ONE announcement ....that would be more than SPECIAL..!!

Pip replied to Pip
Fri 07 Dec 12 (05:59am)

Sorry that was

21.12.2012

Not long now.

Malcolm replied to Pip
Fri 07 Dec 12 (12:21pm)

Might be sooner than you think, Pip.

The Independents and a number of Labor MP’s know that their days are limited. They would be mad if they weren’t already looking for other employment.

Only thing is that none of them have resigned yet which suggests that no employer wants any of them.

victoria replied to Pip
Sat 08 Dec 12 (07:45am)

The Hamster Wheel Julia Gillard standby obituary You Tube.
Just a bit of fun to lighten your day !

Labor is all talk and little action of substance, mostly only unfulfilled and unfunded promises. So Loud talk about reforming Labor will not convince most voters now. Clearly John Faulkner and many others have known for years that bad practices and corruption and so on existed in the Labor Party. But have either met too much resistance to make changes, or failed to bring about change, did not try hard enough or some more likely considered they could carry on as usual as they have done for possibly 40 years or so. With consequent very serious damage to the futures of all Australians.
Labor needs to lose all or most of its present MPs at the next election and get new ones - for following elections - preselected by the Labor members and not the Unions. We have probably only seen the tip of the iceberg. A Royal Commission into Unions is essential

Of course they have known about the problems for years Peter Max, remember the tour of branches conducted by Hawke and Wran after the 1996 election when Keating Labor lost office, the rank and file apparently told them that they believe that the ALP no longer represents them and since they have voted with their feet and left, many branches since closed. I read a while back that Senator Faulkner’s own membership branch in Glebe Sydney closed not long ago due to lack of membership. The union’s membership has also shrunk and without public servant members the union movement would have a tiny membership instead of about 15 per cent of the workforce.

Yet the union movement dictates to Union Labor, faceless men appoint leaders, even prime ministers and cabinet ministers, Gillard and Carr for example.

Journalist Max Walsh wrote in The Bulletin magazine in 2006 about the takeover of the ALP by the union movement . Add the Fabian Society socialists and what a dangerous mixture for Australia.

“So, I think as a party of reform, as a party on the progressive side of politics, we have to get real.”

rudd, the word is REGRESSIVE..

But I won’t argue the point on the fact you “have to get real”, however don’t waste time trying because it is absolutely beyond your lot. You are too mired in your own self indulgence, corruption and sleaze with “her” at the helm to stand any chance of “getting real”

“If John Faulkner’s thoughts come to pass, it is the end of the political careers of most of our senators and a good number of lower house members and machine operatives. They cannot survive with the oxygen of democracy.”

Isn’t it just the greatest pity of all that we, the people that count, can’t make Cavalier’s words come true.

Who would believe Kevin Rudd or John Faulkner? More mind games in order to deceive AGAIN. No thank you!

The Labor brand has already been trashed by Kevin Rudd, Julia Gillard and the whole lot of their supporters, along with the NSW State Labor Govt and its corrupt practices over many years, not to mention the AWU slush fund, the Heiner Affair in QLD, Craig Thomson fiasco, Peter Slipper, Orkopolous and the list goes on and on and on.

When will the Australia people take a stand against corruption and deception and put their support behind the interests of Australia as a Nation?

I left a message for you on page one, about half way down, of the blog following Piers’ article titled “Two faces of Labor on display”.

All the best,

John Jay.

proud aussie replied to proud aussie
Fri 07 Dec 12 (07:54am)

John Jay, just read your message on the other blog. It is so beautiful, I can indentify with all you say. Thank you.

The Lord plays a huge part in my life, always has and always will.

barry replied to proud aussie
Fri 07 Dec 12 (09:08am)

Quote:- [When will the Australia people take a stand against corruption and deception and put their support behind the interests of Australia as a Nation? ]

When all their privileged lives are taken away from them .

And even then , they will probably sit and whinge because no one is saving them .

Rex replied to proud aussie
Fri 07 Dec 12 (09:33am)

John Jay,

Your sermoning is becoming really stupid.

Whilst i don’t mind at times, it does annoy me though when i come here to read about politics and i constantly see your religous quotes littered throughout it.

I don’t care about some silly parable.

In reality it has nothing to do with politics.

As much as you pray for the big fellas help he isn’t going to strike down Gillard and her bunch of incompetents.

Only through debate and education of political parties and their policies will the real truth be outed.

Ignorance sadly is a human trait alive and well in this world.

No amount of sermoning will make a difference about that i’m afraid.

I’m not being mean JJ, just telling you to take a different tack on things rather than quoting the good book or referring to the big fella all the time.

Honestly, i think you overstepped it with the Eygpt thing the other day, it made you sound a bit barmy.

John Jay replied to proud aussie
Fri 07 Dec 12 (12:41pm)

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To Rex -

To quote you -

Ignorance sadly is a human trait alive and well in this world.

It certainly is ..

To illustrate your point (again, quoting you) -

In reality it (religion) has nothing to do with politics.

This is pure ignorance.

Religion is very much about the deeper spiritual level of life.

The deeper spiritual level of life is THE most important level .. is where it all happens .. the cause and not the effect.

That you do not understand this puts you with many others .. for the West has lost the true vision of life.

The West is infactuated with the technical and has turned away from the spiritual ..

The West has traded humilty for arrogance in many ways ..

I mentioned Ancient Egypt to bring perspective .. Ancient Egypt was very spiritual and very elevated spiritually .. far more than we are.

You say my mentioning this made me look “a bit balmy” ..

No.

It is your eyes that made me look a bit balmy.

Your eyes .. where humility and an open mind is not cultivated.

John Jay.

Verity replied to proud aussie
Fri 07 Dec 12 (12:58pm)

REx, if anybody is barmy it is certainly not John Jay who is patently a very spiritual individual and I admire him for it.
I take issue with you calling the parables silly. We were given the parables - examples if you like - on how to conduct ourselves in our lives for the benefit of not only others but also ourselves. Our present Prime Minister is by her actions devoid of spirituality which is why she has failed not only in her role as Prime Minister but also in her private life (judging by her choice of partners who wouldn’t know a parable if it jumped up and bit off their noses). It is your right (but for how long I wonder) to discuss many subjects on this blog aside from politics thanks to the good graces of Piers. It is your right also to scoff at those of us who believe in God and who say so publicly, but it is not your right to shut us up as it is not ours to shut you up. Though there are times when I read the opinions of others that I am tempted to reach for a large roll of masking tape I have to admit.

Popular Front replied to proud aussie
Fri 07 Dec 12 (02:02pm)

Get off and stay off John Jay’s case. The man believes, and that’s OK by me.

Big Ears lover replied to proud aussie
Fri 07 Dec 12 (02:07pm)

Verity articulated that to you Rex better than I could have… ‘onya Ver! I rarely completely stick to Piers’ script here, but I want to contribute all kinds of my thoughts sometimes for unexplained reasons known only to your friend, ‘the big fella’! Plus, it must get on your nerves that I make exclamation points way too often! See!! (new years resolution, maybe! Oops, maybe not!!)

Anyway Rex, you probably don’t even read my simple ramblings, so just do the same with John’s. He won’t mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mike of the shire replied to proud aussie
Fri 07 Dec 12 (03:49pm)

Rex, some following the dark side are right into politics.

Malcolm replied to proud aussie
Fri 07 Dec 12 (04:35pm)

What do you know about Ancient Egyptian religion John Jay? Are you aware that their ever coming son was also known as Jesus and that all the stories were virtually the same? The first two chapters of Luke can even be read in Hieroglyphs on the walls of Temples at Denderah and Luxor, accompanied by 4 scenes depicting the Annunciation, Conception, Birth and Adoration.

Are you aware that most of the Bible Patriarchs were Egyptian Pharaohs and mostly with the very same names?

Have you studied the Holy Trinity scene on one wall of the tomb of King David V - Ymn Twt Ankh Hek Iunu Shma - Throne name Re Heprew Neb?

Have you noticed that the Sun Monstrance paraded through many Catholic Cathedrals carries a Bulls Head representing the Egyptian belief that Jesus was born in the Manger of Taurus or that the Sun Monstrance itself portrays the God AMEN?

Big Ears lover replied to proud aussie
Fri 07 Dec 12 (05:21pm)

Malcolm, stay off the internet because what you read is often just someones opinion. Even science theories re Climate Change and Evolution have opposing info by other scientists. A theory is not fact.

I have read the same THEORY and COMPARISONS with Jesus’ life to other prophets in history on the internet, and it’s a load of made up cods wallop in my opinion. You believe what you want to, but don’t pass this garbage off as factual, it’s insulting to the only begotten son of God. (which is Jesus Christ of the Bible)

Big Ears lover replied to proud aussie
Fri 07 Dec 12 (05:28pm)

Oh and Malcolm, I just finished helping my son with an assignment from his bed. He did it on the Egyptian Pharaoh’s wife, Nefertiti. She named the sun god AMUN NOT AMEN. Now that’s a fact!

John Jay replied to proud aussie
Fri 07 Dec 12 (05:38pm)

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To Malcolm -

My point concerns spirituality and spiritual elevation.

The Ancient Egyptians were on a much higher level than we are.

The Native Americans were on a higher level spiritually than we are, though not as high as the Ancient Egyptians.

Different periods of history .. different eras .. were on different levels.

Consciousness changes over the line of history.

We are on a low level .. this is something that must be addressed .. to defect from man following God to man following man (the science model) is a profound mistake and has cost humanity immeasurably.

The inner life of most people in today’s world is not as it could be and needs to be .. people could have so much more inside.

John Jay.

Big Ears lover replied to proud aussie
Fri 07 Dec 12 (06:51pm)

Sorry, Nefertiti named the sun God Aten, the one and only God. It took the worship status from AMUN! Then again, it could be only someones opinion!!!

Simple solution and one I have always
employed with irritants everywhere
throughout my life.

JJ has every right to have his say
as do we all who blog here.

The final arbitrator is the moderator
of this site whom I presume is Piers.

Rex replied to proud aussie
Sat 08 Dec 12 (11:32am)

So the GOD Nutters have taken over.

JJ and Co, go and shove your religous pontification up your backside.

Seems you idiots don’t know how to seperate religion and politics.

Criticism is not your domain only, i also have a right.

You don’t like that then tough, don’t respond.

Comparing Ancient Eygpt to modern day politics is something only a twit and fool would do, the hangers on are just as simple and gullible.

Oh and BTW JJ, using two lines out of a post and ignoring the rest of it does not make you clever, it makes you look arrogant.

If the calibre of people voting Liberal are JJ and his lot then i will pull my support for Liberals and vote Independant.

Anita replied to proud aussie
Sat 08 Dec 12 (01:45pm)

John Jay,

If you are relying on “facts”, be careful when you mix religion into the argument.

There is no proof of the existence of Jesus.

Widespread it is presumed and taken as “Gospel”.......

Forgive my terse observation.

isobar replied to proud aussie
Sat 08 Dec 12 (05:02pm)

Anita “ There is no proof of the existence of Jesus.”

Forgive my terse observation...yes i will not

read contemporary historians of the times and do a little research bfore you present your ignorance-from e pagels “beyond belief"_________________________read

from Tertullian ;in 202 ,Carthage,his home town,,,a 22 year old aristorcrat called Vibia Perpetua,resolved to undergo baptism with her infant son and slave friends..

arrested and imprisoned ,the magistrate asked whether she was a Christain ,she said she was,,and as such he sentenced her and her friends to be torn apart by the beasts in the arena..a punishment only set aside for slaves…

her recorded diary revealls an aging Senator father who beg for her to renounce...begs the authorities to spare her until his interference results in him being beaten sensless..

but Perpetua believed she now belonged to God’s family and maintained her detachment…

On the birthday of Emporor Geta,she walked calmly from the prison onto the arena as one beloved by God,putting down everyone’s stare by her own intense gaze,to die with her Sister and Revocatus also a Slave,as her brother....

you know nothing Anita....

John Jay replied to proud aussie
Sat 08 Dec 12 (07:52pm)

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To Rex -

Your latest blog is ill-tempered, irritable and crude .. little more.

Why did you bother to write it?

John Jay.

John Jay replied to proud aussie
Sat 08 Dec 12 (08:01pm)

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To Anita -

The existence of Christ and the power of Christ has been proven to me over and over .. this is too personal to go into publicly ..

I will simply say -

If God wishes to prove something to an individual .. He is able to do so in such a way that doubt is impossible .. totally impossible.

John Jay.

Big Ears lover replied to proud aussie
Sun 09 Dec 12 (12:09am)

Rex, Malcolm was on your side! I merely corrected his inaccurate summation.

It doesn’t surprise me that you are a practising Catholic Rex. I’ve never met one who actually knows what the bible is about. Try being a simple, bible reading Christian. The word of God becomes much clearer.

The bible is an amazing account of then, now and the future. If you want to learn more, please begin at the book of John and just keep reading.

Rex replied to proud aussie
Sun 09 Dec 12 (10:33am)

Your sarcasm JJ shows you up as an arsehole.

Simple as that.

Don’t think you can tell me when to post.

I’ll damn well post when i want to and where i want to.

Attacking me for having an opinion is so typical of you and your mob.

Not one iota of a brain cell between the lot of you.

Big Ears lover replied to proud aussie
Sun 09 Dec 12 (12:55pm)

Take a chill pill Rex, you’re giving practicing Catholics an even worse name!

You are so defensive it’s bordering on a little whacko yourself Rex!!! Not a brain cell between us you say? You can’t even argue civilly mate!! No one attacked you for having an opinion. You were insulting to someone, and can obviously give it but can’t take it. Grow up Rex, and take it on the chin. Life is too short to be this Cranky!

isobar replied to proud aussie
Sun 09 Dec 12 (05:08pm)

gee r..a bitter twisted pill today

whats wrong with good sourcasm?and why ref to ones behind?is there something that we need to know?

no you r critiqued not because of your words..but because as they roll along the page nothing meaningfull is revealed

so i thought you was a practising cathode...so “love thine enemy is sorta not part of your version?look in mirror rex..look in mirror
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Rex replied to proud aussie
Sun 09 Dec 12 (05:45pm)

Big Ears,

I have suggested that JJ tone it down with the religous stuff.

I have pointed out how it is silly trying to compare ancient Eygpt to todays modern politics.

For that i am ridiculed.

To say i’m insulting someone is a bit rich considering the bile that gets thrown around here.

I’m not cranky, just annoyed.

Blogs should not be the realm of a few over others.

As an example, Isobar doesn’t make sense but feels he should attack without using commonsense.

If i don’t like a mars bar then that’s my opinion and i’ll cop it if someone says they don’t mind it.

Nearly every comment back is not in that realm.
Nowhere near it.

For the record, i don’t support the ALP.

JJ used to post decent comments a while back.

Now days he has to put some religous spin on it.

Politics and religion don’t mix.

Never have and never will.

Big Ears lover replied to proud aussie
Sun 09 Dec 12 (06:54pm)

You don’t like mars bars Rex? But they have thick chocolate fudge inside a thick caramel and wrapped in thick milk chocolate Rex, what’s not to love?? You think we all are much like mars bars, don’t you Rex, thick? Well at least most of us here are sweet too eh!!

And you say I don’t have a brain cell!

isobar replied to proud aussie
Sun 09 Dec 12 (07:24pm)

rex.."As an example Isobar doesn’t make sense -but feels he should attack without using commonsense.
?????????
rex..ever heard the words “precious/hypocrite”

lets review your invective without slant.

“Your sermoning is becoming really stupid”
“go and shove......(something about a bottom.)”
“about some silly parable.... “
“pray for the big fellas.....”
“i am a practicing Catholic. ..”
“the GOD Nutters..”
“Seems you idiots ..”
“iota of a brain cell between the lot of you. ..”

“You don’t like that then tough, don’t respond. ..”

“and i’ll cop it if someone says they don’t mind it.”???????????

and finally

“To say i’m insulting someone is a bit rich..”???hallo

from your own mouth you have destroyed your credibility

mean/uncouth/antichristain/boring boorish prig ...look into a mirror and once again tell us ..what is there to see?

Rex replied to proud aussie
Sun 09 Dec 12 (08:00pm)

Big Ears,

I’ll still post.

I’ll still have an opinion.

As for brain cells, if people get past their automatic bias then maybe something in life will get done.

I used an analogy.

Don’t take it literally.

Big Ears lover replied to proud aussie
Mon 10 Dec 12 (05:27am)

So did I Rex!!!! It’s called humour (takes a few brain cells to be endowed with a sense of one!) ...

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