I think Jeff is right. I’m big on trends/patterns. The public face of the search will be a re-tread which will facilitate some stealth discussions. That said, I’m an enthusiast for Schiano. Spent a lot of time hanging out with Pete Carroll this past year on how to become a better coach and rebound from failure. If it is Hoke I think, on balance, it’s an upgrade over Riley. Certainly far preferable than Tedford

Hoke was the hot name when Michigan hired him. A LOT of programs wanted Hoke. He turned around two awful programs and then went to Michigan. It didn’t work and some of that was never having a decent QB. However, what would be worrying about him was he got talent but did not develop a lot of the talent.

Sorry for the unreadable post. Had to type it out while driving earlier but sounds like you got the gist, even though it wasnt clear. Beavs can afford a guy like Hoke with the money from Michigan supplementing his income. Bob would sell it as a great get at a price that won’t cripple the budget.

descending win total each year at Michigan looks a lot recent Rile E. I think his attractiveness to Michigan lay in the fact that he was a protégé of Lloyd Carr. His resume as an assistant is at par with Wilcox, for example; or even Frost. The fact that he coached at OSU before is also probably seen as a plus. Not being an advocate, just trying to deconstruct the proposition: why brady?

Not bad. Want Frost, Wells or Wilcox so I am down with any of them being hired. Wilcox probably also brings Peter Sirmon and Keith Heyward. Any of these 3 head coaches is capable on both the field and in recruiting which is huge. No doubt Wilcox would bring some good recruiters with him.

Riley can pedal as fast as he can around Lincoln, he’s never going to beat Urban Meyer, but then I guess his claim to fame will be to win a couple of meaningless division championships. Meyer is drop kicking Whisky with a 3rd string QB.

almost certainly Harbaugh to Michigan. Regrettably, the three best programs in that conference are all in the east division. Rile E Coyote only has to get past Wisconsin to get to the conference title game.

I happen to think Neuheisel would a poke in the eye hire just like Erickson was. Think of all the places in the conference where he is hated: Eugene, Seattle, Boulder, LA. He’d be a media star. he’s always telling Jack Arute he’d like to coach again.

Mamma Machado adds, “Think of that interesting story line if Hoke is the guy…playing his old team at the Big House next season in game two. Sure he’d have plenty of motivation and could craft a good game plan for that one.”

Yeah, great mamma machado. She’s definitely breaking us in to the bad news.

would seem to be able to hold his own as a recruiter; and having been in So Cal a few years could prove advantageous. The only 300 guy I can remember Riley getting is Isaac, and only then because it was a family deal. By the way, I think Lindsay is onto to something about Joe and his son. Wouldn’t be surprised that if Joe goes to Lincoln Isaac seeks a transfer. Now that would really piss people off and completely decimate the already old idea that Riley left in order to do OSU a favor. It’s slash and burn for him

Isaac would be a fool to sit out a year to play 1 in Lincoln vs. staying in Corvallis and playing 2. Now what he might do is play at OSU next year, graduate and then transfer to Nebraska his redshirt senior year. That could happen

Lindsay Schnell is loathsome. She graduates OSU where they let her to write for the Barometer as a freshman. She piles on at the Oregonian, during which time she regularly bad-mouths OSU and Corvallis, never asks Riley a tough question, writes fluff pieces because she really has no sports knowledge and now she is SI expert re:Oregon State? Lindsay Schnell – Go Away!

Bottom line is everybody that wanted Riley out should put their money where their mouth is. If you want a decent coach raise a couple million bucks and you can get one. Otherwise don’t complain when the guy we hire wins the same amount or less, like I would predict. The university isn’t gonna help out, so the people who threatened to boycott football games unless Riley was gone need to backup their talk and open their wallets.

I go to the games regardless so Riley’s move will do one of two things for me. One, you shut up because we win with new coach. Or two and more likely scenario, we go back to 2 wins seasons and you disappear.

I already have contributed by having season tickets for 15 years and not missing many home game s in any sport for over twenty. I didn’t want to lose Riley because he is the best coach Oregon State has ever had in football. I’m sorry you disagree, but I tend to value the opinions of the hundreds of other college football experts that seem to think he does in fact know what he is doing. You are entitled to feel the way you do. My suggestion for you, however, is to get off the couch and donate some big money if you want the coach you all think you are entitled to. Or get angry, sit on the coach, do nothing and complain for another twenty years – I could care less.

“Or get angry, sit on the coach, do nothing and complain for another twenty years – I could care less.”

So many things in this sentence scream A TWELVE-YEAR OLD WROTE THIS!!!

And you all know I only grammer police the grammer police. But this is just too funny. Do nothing AND complain? Sit on the coach? He COULD care less?

That following the claim that Riley was the best coach OSU ever had should tell you all pretty much everything about this dood. There’s not much going on upstairs with him. And what do they say about wise men and fools?

Actually… there is an unspoken component that does give rise to Riley’s cult of personality. So I will puts the wise men and fools thing in terms understood by the cult.

The coach isnt hired from donations. Getting a good coach at this point is not a matter of money, its a matter of the AD using its noggin and …. getting a good one. It did the process badly back when hiring CR and LW….then got it better in getting Rueck and Tinkle. One hopes the better trend continues….

Football is the revenue sport, basketball and baseball break even. The other sports we just try to hire good people. And Boosters do apply pressure as to who gets hired, but not the twenty people on this blog site – people with actual income.

Lets wait til Tinkle actually coaches a few seasons before we suck him off. I hope he does well too but calling someone a good hire after a month is ridiculous. CR looked great his first year too. Like the defensive intensity and hustle he instills but fact is it takes NBA players ( the one and done type) to win in college basketball. We won’t get those, I just want to make the damn tournament again sometime in the near future.

Frost is the better choice. He has a confident presence and looks totally focused in wanting to beat everyone. I really respect and want that as Riley looked so uncertain against even lower non-conference opponents. I think Frost would be a great leader and never make excuses. Something Casey never does either.

It still sounds bad. What did he do, loot the treasury? Deliberately post losing seasons while stealing all the staplers? Mike Riley should stop making any public statements. Hire an 8 yr old to speak for him…

Thanks for proving my point. Riley has more wins than all of those coaches. In a much more competitive area. But I get it, much too many dogmatic opinions on the guy. I’m just stating a fact – he has more wins than anybody else. Everybody else on here is stating their opinion, which you are entitled to. If it was easy somebody would have won football games at Oregon State between 1970 and 1997. Fact is it didn’t happen til Riley got the ball rolling. I know what it’s like to go through years of losing, now many of you that continue to be beaver fans will too. Hope I’m wrong here.

Yer an idiot…. total wins has nothing to do with it. And Erickson got the winning season ball rolling again after the 28 yrs. You are a moronic Pollyanna, I get it. So give it a rest.

Riley in recent years has gone loser. To want him to continue is nonsense. And if the incoming coach posts some losing seasons, hey, its what Riley is doing. So we wont be worse off……AND there is every chance it gets better. This aint rocket science … try to follow along.

pretty easy to get that many wins when you’re given FOURTEEN FUCKING YEARS! Twice as many as anyone else in a LONG FUCKING TIME.

93/14 = 6.64

That’s right. Mediocre Mike was just that. Did he give us some good years? Yes. But the negative outweigh the positive. In this day and age, win some games or step aside. It’s the nature of college football coaches. It’s such a simple idea that I think even someone like you can understand. If you want to gargle MR’s sack, go root for Nebraska. We here have had enough of him. Good riddance. You won’t be missed.

Are you pulling the 28 year crap? I still have a piece of astro-turf I yanked off the field in 1974 when we fans were asked to come help take up the field after the last home game. I remember what it was like before the west side went up. I remember touring the west side while it was being constructed and thinking it was nice… comparatively.

I remember one coach finally breaking the 28 year slump, not with some rolling ball, but with a group who got ditched within a couple weeks of signing day. Can’t blame the ditch digger, but I also can’t rehire someone who does that kind of thing. You gotta have standards in business, or people will just walk all over you. And Riley and his cult of personality are showing their true colors right about now. They don’t care about my alma mater. They care about their little cult.

Well… the real foundation that was set was done by DE. He got Truax and Phase One done through his own efforts. And while he was here he got the AD to commit to a timeline for Phases Two and Three. Never mind that Riley strolled into that situation and our AD coincidentally forgot to honor that pledge… and then excuse after excuse ensued.

I’ve listened to Riley for years. I thought five years ago that he finally reached the hump and just might get over it with the loss of a few assistants. But he chose to insulate them and make excuses instead. That’s a darn nice thing to do, but it is such a losing thing to do in any business. But I should have known five years ago that he was making the same excuses then he was making last year and this.

That he ditches OSU is no surprise. It’s what he did and was going to do to us again. There was a piece before the CW about Jimmy coming to practice and Riley talking about how he wanted to be that way, coming to practices when he was retired. That was instantly flagged as complete bullshit. Jimmy is OSU and Corvallis through and through. Riley got Shawn Eichorst to introduce him as someone whose “adopted hometown” was Corvallis.

But enough about Riley. We shouldn’t care anymore. He went out for smokes and isn’t coming back. He doesn’t leave any lasting legacy here, and this program is left in quite a sizable hole for the next coach to climb out of. Riley may have more wins than any other OSU coach ever. But he also coached in the best of circumstances for OSU ever. He coached when a second place team in the conference could go to a bowl game. He coached when there were 12 (or 13) games in a season, with three patsies on the schedule… well… patsies for anyone else but Riley.

I don’t understand your little cult. I don’t get it. Mike Riley’s last five years mirrored Craig Robinson’s. But everyone wants to anoint him a saint… for what?

And don’t start chiming in about recruiting disadvantages. There is ONE hard and fast rule about recruiting. A kid doesn’t look at destination, facilities, weather, curriculum or money. He chooses a school to play for a coach. If Riley had trouble recruiting, that’s because he either took no for an answer or nobody he thought was better wanted to come play for him. End of story.

Hey, dickhead…. there is no problem recruiting to Corvallis. If you work at it. Witness the winning programs of the past, football, basketball, baseball… and the current winning baseball program. And … even the early Riley years. So all I can say is, THANK GOD RILEY IS GONE!

You’re….as in “You are no beav fan”….log in and you can edit your comments. Also, I wouldn’t worry about Whiskey’s name…..let’s figure out why you are using “Jack” as your name which belongs to a long term poster who offers excellent analysis on Beaver basketball and their upcoming opponents (in contrast to the useless pablum you are spewing forth).

Riley’s going to take ALL of his own staff excluding Garrett? Man, it sounds like he even sold Eichorst on “the offense was the problem” last season excuse for OSU. Did anyone at NU watch any OSU game film for the last two years? In a perfect world Banker, Cavanaugh and Read would be scrambling to find FCS assistant jobs right now after BDC had canned Riley. I hope Nebraska enjoys Callahan 2.

Yeah….this whole deal is pretty damn strange. N trades a winning coach for an apparently mediocre one. Surely it isnt just about personality…..is it? For some reason that just doesnt compute. What the hell went on? Could Riley be a Nigerian prince who is going to turn over his country’s treasury, all 3 Billion of it, to Nebraska? Shit, maybe we really been had….

Many of us think it is strange because we’ve watched almost every damn game Riley has coached. I guess I was caught off guard by how the “Rley does so much more with less” train of thought is out there on a national level, not just the local numbnuts who want easy access to an affable head coach. The national media remembers the 2 upsets of USC, but is clueless about the 2 losses to FCS teams or the dinosaur slow offense or the regression of the defense.

They don’t realize OSU football has passed the eyeball test the past 16 years with two different head coaches (Erickson’s 4 years seems to have been forgotten) it’s what the coaching staff does with that talent that should be judged.

Good point. The media all have to have opinions about coaches, programs and situations, but mostly dont have any depth to those opinions. Thus a lot of it is parrot-speak, just repeating what they heard someone else say, to appear well-informed.

But that parroting still carries influence; and why the’ Corvallis/OSU sucks’ mantra by the same press is so damaging. Need more guys like Tinkle out in front of the naysayers, preaching the positives.

Totally agree on Hoke. No re-treads, it worked for Arizona, but that seems about it.

Maybe hire Frost and have him run his triple option from his NU days. Watching G Tech last night, the offense was entertaining, and a novelty in this day and age. If they could play a lick of D they would have beaten the 2nd most talented team in the country.

The triple option seems to work pretty well even if you don’t have a ton of speed and athletes (thus the military schools run it). And as the media has constantly informed us, Corvallis is only fit for trolls and lepers with a mild case of ebola, no one else would think to set foot in it. Could be a good fit at OSU, and something different for the Pac to deal with.

Regarding Hoke..can I get “un PC” for a minute?……I don’t like fat, sloppy head coaches…..I’m no svelte, fitness buff myself, but I like in shape major college head coaches….Fulmer, Dubois, Mangino, Weiss ….they didn’t look good. I don’t care about assistants, hit the buffet at will.

Wells, Mendenhall and Frost look the part. I think appearances count for something at that level.

Never undrerstood how these guys that ask for physical fitness, and now have training tables with healthy food, look so damn unhealthy. I know they work a lot of hours, but c’mon, if you have a training table, AND a healthy salary, you can afford to eat healthy. And your in an exercise environment.

I was listening to a national college sports station…surprisingly more than one NU fan called in to say that Scott Frost has reputation as an arrogant ass in Lincoln….maybe it’s just frustration that he hasn’t come back and that he’s a Duck? If Riley had taken Frost as his OC, I could see a plan from NU.

It’s a nice turn of events for BDC. I might forgive him a little for the Riley contract if he makes a great hire. .BDC has come through lately, I hope he can do it again.

Also, I think (and I hate saying this), BDC should be given some kudos if he did indeed confront Riley with his coaching shortcomings and that speculated candidness set this whole chain of events into motion.

Sorry, even though DeCareless is on a bit of a roll with the hires of Rueck and Tinks he’ll never get kudos from yours truly. His contracts have put us behind the 8 ball, his lack of front office skills (sales/marketing) and even if he did have the “talk” it came waaaay too late. He should’ve been let go a long time ago.

If he saved the program 7 more years of Riley or a 12 million buy out with a little tough love for a coach who wasn’t really such a nice guy in the end and apparently has some “thin skin” then I say “better late than never”

BDC is going to be gone sooner than later and if it comes to light that it was Ed Ray who did the deed then I agree with you. Almost every Beaver sports program is on a positive trend except football, someone deserves a little credit, right? BDC has a huge decision with the new hire, we will see how he handles it.

if the choice came down to Frost, Wilcox, or Jonathan (not much talk about him lately; like since Friday), I’d take Wilcox. He’ll never get the job at UO because their “identity” is an offensive minded succession plan. Ask Alioti. Thus, Wilcox could be a reversal of the Rich Brooks scenario

I agree. If OSU goes retread, which I think they will, Tedford is my choice. I have family in the Bay Area and they said that he didn’t get the support from the Cal administration for football. He also fought to get improved facilities, turned around a bad program (Cal hadn’t had a winning season since 1993), and developed strong QBs (Aaron Rodgers). He’s the last coach in the conference to beat Oregon 3 straight seasons and also did two things Riley never did here: win a conference title and get 2 10 win seasons.

Yeah the graduation rate sucked at Cal because he had early defectors to the NFL that didn’t come back to finish their degrees. OSU already is very successful at getting their players to graduate and have good support staff directing that part of the program. Tedford had to fight to get someone on board for that, but he didn’t shut his eyes to it. Even duck fans say he’d do well here.

If they hire Brady Hoke, I will be out, but would stick around for Tedford.

Yeah, forgot to switch my name back earlier when we were playing “which jack is the real jack?”

It was a pretty simple game. By the way, we’ve missed you thelast few days, but still somehow managed to get 500 comments on this thread with out many from you. Imagine if you had been around. Might have broken angrybeavs

After some thought I think I have a theory on what started the whole Mike Riley move.

1. December 2013 – BDC and/or Ed Ray confront Riley. They tell him Langs has to go.
2. Riley protests but eventually concedes. Views it as pure politics. Gets Langs a gig with the NY Giants. Lands Garrett.
3. Beaver O struggles in 2014. Riley believes Garrett was a step back (maybe a significant one). In his mind, he betrays a good friend AND his performance suffers. Becomes bitter over the course of the season.
4. December 2014- BDC and/or Ed Ray confront Riley. They tell him Banker has to go.
5. Riley: I’m out. Not doing this again.

BeavBlazer beat me to the punchline a few posts up, but I wouldn’t be shocked to see Danny L to Nebraska as OC. As also stated, he’ll probably be looking for work along with the rest of the Giants staff.

One X-factor that might help explain Riley’s reluctance to change coordinators: what sort of budget does he have to find new guys? If he’s being limited to 200K-250K or so (Garrett’s salary I believe?) there’s no way he can make a competitive PAC-12 hire. You can take a flier on someone obviously, but there’s downside there compared to the known quantity in “your guy.”

Despite the public persona, Riley obviously thought his shit didn’t stink and he was doing OSU a favor by committing long term. He was probably underpaid year to year, but with the ridiculous extensions in place it was a decent deal. It looks like BDC thought otherwise and made that known to him, he didn’t like it. He’ll last three years in the five year NU deal and retire comfortably. Scott Frost should be ready by then for the Nebraska job.

Add a significant amount of Riley whining about ‘Facilities are bad, I can’t recruit!’ and Bob pointing out that our facilities are better than Sacramento State and Eastern Washington, and you’ve pretty much got the entire story.

I think Oregon State could offer Frost a 1.75 to 2 million deal at the high end to show it is serious about competing in the Pac-12. For a first year head coach that is pretty generous. Most likely it would have a small escalator and different incentive packages.

Perhaps something like a 1.7 million base salary to start on a 6 year deal. Each year the base goes up 400K.

Year 1. 1.7 million
Year 2. 1.74 million
Year 3. 1.78 million
Year 4. 1.82 million
Year 5. 1.86 million
Year 6. 1.9 million

Also 9+ wins earns a 400K bonus and winning the Civil War a 300K bonus. Any year Frost wins the Civil War he would be guaranteed 2+ million. The 400K bonus for 9+ wins is halved to 200K should we get 8 wins. That’s it. Simple with rewards for success.

Max payout in final year would be 2.6 million with 9+ wins and a win over the Ducks. He also could get 10% of the gate for incentive to pack the house. That is a competitive package and I think it could get Frost onboard.

Coaching search name I’m gonna throw out there….anybody know much about Rod Carey at Northern Illinois? Guy truly is is the leader of the “done more with less talent” coach this year.

Seems like that’s the type of guy we’d need to go after in a league where OSU consistently has recruiting classes ranking near the bottom of the conference ( i know that is partially riley’s fault, but also partially circumstances of the program)

If it’s any consolation, Fleck did play at NIU and was an assistant there… and would have won the MAC if his EMU team (that went 1-11 last year) could have held a second half lead against his alma mater.

Some stats I built. Shows average Wins per recruiting star (4 year class average 2011-2014) I’m using the 2014 overall win total instead of conference win total, which may skew things a little. Here are the top 20 results.

I used to work at the old Togo’s. I miss the old Togo, but understand how the company likes to make every store conform to their model. used to be that the corvallis shop was a unique model that didnt really follow the franchise rules. No other togos had a grill or served beer. I’ve workwd at one of the other togos shops. Nothing like the old corvallis one

Guys I like are Mendenhall (low risk/moderate-high reward), Matt Wells (high risk/high reward), Frost (high risk/high reward), Harsin (moderate risk/high reward). In theory I like Wells the best, but then when I imagine him coaching against the guys in this conference with experience he might get his ass handed to him.

We’re hearing a lot of retreads pop up lately, which makes me think we’ll get either Hoke or Tedford…both would be more refreshing than Riley, which is not me advocating them but just speaks to how stale Riley got.

Tedford would be a good safe hire. Without the academic restrictions Cal has I imagine he could recruit his ass off to Corvallis. by selling our NFL talent now in the league along with his own guys.. Suddenly you’re able to pitch Desean Jackson Aaron Rodgers Brandin Cooks and Markus Wheaton Cam Jordan ..Stephen Paea etc.. all at the same time.

He runs an uptempo version of the pro-style yet still likes to get players in space…which I think is still where we should be in order to recruit differently and present preparation challenges for the rest of the conference..

I think there is real value in being perceived by our own fanbase and around the country as fresh and on the rise after going through what turned into a number of stale years under Riley. We were that dinosaur program and don’t want to go there again. That’s why I think Frost, Wells or Wilcox are Oregon State’s best direction. You get that initial nice buzz for a couple years and they and the program probably would be constructively on the rise. Then in everyone’s minds we continue to move forward with a strong chance of more to look forward to as the middle years of the contract approach. Think it is wise to strike a new path and embrace it in our culture.

You want to be that program that looks like it has a bright future and is forming new trends. Go with a retread and maybe 40-50% still aren’t feeling it and it too easily seems like it can even be a slow decline from there. Better to be ahead of the curve by a year and well positioned as current and relevant for several years to come within a quick moving conference. The timing with Riley and lucking out how we did is a rare and fortunate golden opportunity to start fresh on the earlier and rising end of the program lifecycle and build into something other programs are envious of.

I like your thinking. I wish Bob D., Ed R. and hopefully Mark M. are into FRESH instead of mothballs. Hey, I’m not sold on either Rick N. or Jeff T. but I think especially Rick could bring some pizzazz on style to our system and marketing and probably help bring some frickin funding our way too.

I can’t see Harsin jumping from his alma mater after one year and he got them to the Fiesta Bowl. Absolutely, I’d take him though. Just think it’s a long shot. Not sure what his buyout is either. If there is truth to the 650K buyout for Wells, I think he is a very realistic option and BDC should be pursuing him.

I emailed Ed Ray, BDC and Massari saying I thought Frost would be a home run hire. Literally used that term because it matched my beliefs. I said I liked Wells as a close alternative option and a ‘possible triple.’ I am looking at things like the upside potential in the full dynamic of the Oregon State football program. I don’t think the retread route is what is best or healthiest for OSU after the fanbase going through extensive time with Riley. I think it is best if the program and its fans were all united in looking forward. Think we deserve and need that full rebirth.

I’d like to get New-High-Sell. He doesn’t need anymore money. He knows our program. He’s hilarious. Let’s get a brash SOB who loves to stick the dagger in yer back out in front of our program for once.

That being said, I don’t really want him, though he IS better than Riley.

What is hilarious is that back then a lot of the AB posters were saying Tedford stinks and Riley was better, using weird justifications to make that seem true. Now AB posters are saying Tedford might not be so bad. Funny.

Lots of stuff I didn’t know, also shows a cat willing to change his spots (unlike MR), a good coach (I think his problems were more people related) and wants a shot at coaching again (would likely come ‘cheap’_BDC sez hooray!)

Another thing I really like about a Scott Frost hire is I feel there is an excellent chance we would get frequent reminders that we made a much more intelligent decision for a new era of Oregon State Football then Nebraska did. They haven’t even had Riley for a week and you are seeing many in their fanbase develop the symptoms we had before and recognize issues of concern. I sense already a fair amount of buyer’s remorse.

Frost feels like he would bring alot of things Oregon State needs to get its program churning and very interesting. I would like having the Nebraska connection of knowing we unloaded Riles at the right time and to top it off got the guy most of their fanbase truly wanted. I see that playing out as their Riley symptoms getting worse and our decision to hire Frost looking better and better as time moves on.

how’s this for a story line: OSU hires Frost, and he succeeds (in OSU terms) by winning 7-9 games for a few years; while at the same time Riley FAILS (in Nebraska terms) by winning 7-9 games a year, gets fired, and is replaced by Frost. Now truthfully, if you could snap your fingers and make that happen wouldn’t you take it?

You know, the more I look into these guys the less confident I feel about any. I haven’t watched most of these coaches enough to say who is best. I’m basing opinion on biographies and youtube videos. I mean has anyone actually watched utah state? I haven’t. Wells looks good on paper and in that video going around. But that’s not how to hire a coach. Without interviewing these guys I really have no clue.

I just know we got 500k for riley, which is amazing. And anyone should be better, in theory.

I watch them and Wells has kept the momentum going from Andersen, but when you look at who they beat in the Mountain West, it’s cringe worthy for the most part. True, they are no longer losing to San Jose St and UNLV, but long term it’s a big leap in competition. People hype the close games against Auburn and Wisconsin, but that was Andersen. Wells took his team back to Tennesse with Keeton and it wasn’t close this year.

I’m not down on Wells at all, but it’s really a big unknown. Guys like Tedford actually know the drill.

I watched Utah State’s last 4 games. Liked Wells demeanor on the sideline and thought offense and defense on the whole was pretty good. Winning 9 games with a 4th string QB who would have equalled Mannion’s wins this year at Oregon St if not maybe gotten a 6th shows he puts trust in his players and they trust him. He’s the kind of hire we have the ability to make (this year) and be seen as a program on the rise for more than a few years to come. That is good in my book. I think you could build a nice program around him. Harsin at Boise handled Utah State pretty easily but that is a very tough environment and Harsin is a very good coach who also is plenty worthy of consideration except that he seems happy at Boise and is not yet prepared for a change.

I believe though that Oregon State would get a superior offense from Frost. I also have confidence that Frost would hire a good DC and be perhaps even a better leader than Wells. Wells brings DC Todd Orlando who is a good defensive mind and also thought of as being on the rise in the coaching ranks. If we got Frost or Wells I believe OSU’s program would be headed to a healthy place and I would be excited for the future of what was in store for Oregon State. With Frost I would raise that to very excited.

Bohl has been very successful as a head coach at the lower level. They recruited a bunch of player from MN that were borderline D1 prospects and did a very good job of player development. His teams play smart, power running ball. He was Frank Solich’s DC at Nebraska and got run out of town after the 2002 season to be replaced by none other than Bo Pelini. Skill set much better suited to HC. Should have been a logical candidate at Neb., but the fan base could not forget the unbelievable beat down by Colorado to end the 2001 season. If he get the Cowboys turned upwards in the next couple years he will end up with a big job in a power 5 conference.

I loved the intensity Erickson teams had. Dumb penalties sucked but never felt like his teams just went through the motions. Now he would be a disaster. If he was 15 years younger it would be a home run.

I liked what DE was able to do here. It was an inspired hire given where he and OSU were at the time. He definitely demonstrated what can be done here is a short period of time. The nice half of the stadium is the house that DE built.
However, I hated the unsportsmanlike penalties. Some of it was cheap. I also feared getting us into trouble with the NCAA.

Never was high on him. I think people thought he was better than he was because he swore and had the players do bear crawls. For a dude that talked a lot about technique his players sure didn’t have it. Only a couple of staffers I’d keep and he wasn’t on the list. Maybe his boy goes tries to walk on in Lincoln…

Never was too high on him. I think people thought he was better than he was because he cussed and had the players do bear crawls. For a dude that talked a lot about “technique” his players sure didn’t have it. Only a couple of staffers I’d keep and he wasn’t on the list. Maybe his boy tries to walk on in Lincoln…

I hear from a source in Eugene that Frost is intrigued by the Colorado State job. He can win early and often there and unlike Corvallis, where the cupboard (on defense certainly) is bare, McElwain was a good recruiter and the team is well stocked.

Frost followed me on twitter first thing this morning. I viewed that as a good sign that he has some interest in Oregon State. I think he wants to take that step to head coach right now and I hope we are the program that capitalizes. If we give proper commitment and embrace striving for success in a bold new direction I think we have alot to offer. The Pac-12 is alot better place to be than the MWC. Frost will be able to find success against enough teams to keep getting better.

I think they are losing their QB and star RB, so a good time for their coach to jump ship.. Goph’s play them in the second game next year so there has been a lot of talk about them. I’m happy they lost their coach as they looked to be a much tougher opponent than when the series was scheduled.

I like Frost. The game of football has really been revolutionized in terms of practice pace, scientific based training methods and an extra emphasis on nutrition. Chip Kelly has really been a real part of this revolution and established it as a culture at UofO. OSU needs to establish a forward thinking identity. This idea that OSU shouldn’t look to one of the best programs in the nation for ideas because they are our rivals is idiotic. If we bring in Frost we will probably have close to twice as many practice reps. That will mean less procedural penalties, more instinctive play and back ups that are more ready to contribute.

He has also played for two HOF coaches. Walsh and Osborne. Played D in the NFL and is a smart guy. Seems like a no brainer. Like it or not, ducks are a hot brand so why not take a risk and diminish them at the same time.

The king of getting less than more, he’s a total washed up has-been. He stayed at Cal years longer than he should have bc of credibility in initially building the program. He’s a total Riley clone except years further down the track.

Hoke would not be a horrible hire. He’s a better coach to me than he showed in Michigan but I really stand him and wouldn’t want him to be the head coach cause he’s an awful person and only a decent coach.

I always liked watching Schiano’s Rutgers teams on TV. He kind of reminded me of an east coast Kyle Whittingham. His teams played hard and look where he took Rutgers football, I would think he was a big factor in getting them to the Big 10. I would not mind seeing him in Corvallis at all.

I thought this was a good analysis of Riley to Nebraska….I love the line about “the media in Nebraska will be the happiest to have Riley”. I think the contrast with Pelini will play well for awhile, but Husker fans still think their program should compete for NC’s. Nice guy or not it is going to take a lot of wins to please them in the end.

one of the bonuses from Riley leaving is that in an odd way it give us (me, at least) a second team to “follow.” I thought the most pertinent line was that the Big 10 West is a lot easier to navigate than the Pac North. In the abstract that may be true, but consider this: if we concede for the sake of argument that Riley circa 2011-2014 was the same coach as 2001-2009 (which I don’t believe is the case) every other school in the Pac made an upgrade in coaching since his hey-day in the middle of the last decade. Looking ahead, I don’t see him as likely to routinely outcoach Anderson, Kill, Ferentz and Fitzgerald.

He better be able to do that or his ass is gone in less than three years. However delusional it may be Husker Nation expects Riley to be able to compete with Meyer and Dantonio with their National Championship mentality.

Posted this on OLive earlier. Just though I would share here. This is a great site. I think I am goin to boycott OLive as well. Had it with Goe. He is an arrogant hack writer.

FWIW I was at a high school game Saturday and over heard a conversation with a high level current OSU player. He said while some of the players were sad St. Riley was leaving it may actually be for the best as a large segment of players had given up and tuned out our St. Riley.

Seems change might have been needed.

And No the player wasn’t Coach Cav’s son. It will be hard to see all of those false starts and line mistakes leave to Nebraska.

I can’t find the exact quotes, but there were a couple of “odd” comments from Riley through out the season that implied this was not his most coachable group of players. As common, I’m sure it’s equal parts coaches and players who share in the responsibility.

the pollyannas are then gonna say, but but but how do explain the beavers beating ASU????

I think that game was more about what ASU didn’t do then what OSU did. If you recall ASU had rebounded from being doen 14-3 to leading 24-14 at halftime. I think by that point they figured the beavers were going to roll over and die

…and believe me there is not one iota of superiority in me saying that. I could start an AngryChristian.com site with my frustrations with God sometimes. In fact, my life is turd soup in many ways right now.

I thought you said you gave yourself over to another “power,” or were proposing such an idiocy.

Responsibility does not allow for anyone to pretend some imaginary force controls them or anything affecting them in any way if responsibility is to be taken seriously. If anything, God can be a construct borne of 20/20 vision in which grace becomes a factor. But that’s still a human construct.

Let me first say I have zero interest in getting any sense of pride of engaging in a chess match style “I can win more points than you” argument. Let me say that I humbly am interested in your points of view. It’s fine, really. Please know that. (I didn’t realize you had posted again.)

Why is it such idiocy to think someone greater than me (another power…God) created me. It makes complete sense. Surely someone as smart as you could consider that as an option.

God does not control us, to the contrary. He created us with free will. That was a blessing and a curse. I get pissed at God by the way, I mentioned that. He’s big enough to handle that.

I’m sorry if I’m missing your point about responsibility/grace but it was God’s idea to implement grace when man chose to depart from God’s original communion with man and go his own way. That’s man’s tendency (rebellion) and it sure shows in society today (greed, lust, anger, power, selfishness)

The Bible tells us we CAN know God, it also tells us we could never expect to understand all of God, that’s what makes us human. There is so much mystery to God it makes my head spin. Consider the universe itself, or a big one Christians and non-Christians alike struggle with…why innocent people suffer.

God/Jesus said we’d be called “morons” for following Him…you’re actually fulfilling prophecy in a way. You’re partly right and partly wrong about “feeling better” about following Christ. I cannot tell what a huge misconception it is that The Church gets tagged with being “happy people”. What a crock of shit. We are a bunch of broken people who need a Savior because we are fallen, just look at the world around you. We realize we didn’t get here on our own and we fall short on our own because inherently our corrupt nature is not OK with God’s eternal nature but Jesus paid a huge cost to get us there. I know that sounds “mythical” to you. But good and holy crap child birth alone is a frickin’ miracle in itself. I could go on and on and on about miracles. It’s all the revelation of God himself before our eyes.

My dad was a preacher, it’s in SPITE of him that I hang on to this truth. You’re correct, there are a lot of hypocritical shits in the church including egotistical pastors.

I believe in a creating force, and if someone wants to call that “God” so be it. I don’t think people who believe in God are idiots. Science gets too much credit. Much science right now is correlation instead of causation. In practice, it is hard to prove anything 100% definitive scientifically. Personally I feel if there’s a God it’s more likely it’s a force than something with a conscience or any human traits, or it’s possibly something we can’t even fathom with our limited mental power. For this reason, I don’t even think about it anymore, just live life and once in a while acknowledge something magical is going on. I went to Catholic school for 9 years but rejected that religion long ago. It’s just as bad as science.

A “creative force” is a great way to say it. Great way to put it. We were created in God’s image too. That’s who God is. But, like Jack was on the path with, we can’t know all of God because His ways are unfathomable. I mean how did Scarlett Johansson just come into being…that’s an eye opener that I just can’t wrap my head around.

There’s no “reply” available on your “Scarlett” BJ comment so I’m leaving it here. I can tell by your answer that you’re probably sick of Bible bashers or your Catholic school instructors shoving the sin topic down your throat. Maybe not, maybe so. I get it. Fact is every honest guy would like the Scarlett act but hopefully every well rounded guy would also like a more well rounded relationship in addition. And let’s face it, lust in itself leads down a lousy path, I know that myself and my Christian friends who are in support groups and/or who have lost jobs and nearly lost marriages because of porno will attest to that in less than one nano second.

The fact that you go directly to the big issue “going to Hell” is natural and unsettling for us all. Sure, it’s a topic Jesus spoke of often but it was saying our spiritual uncleanness (This is not woo woo stuff really. It might seem that way.) separates us from God…Hell being separation from God. Jesus was so ballsy but loving. One of the best descriptions you’re probably already familiar with is when the Pharisees are harassing the prostitute and Jesus defends (love that because it’s the entire message of salvation in that moment) her saying essentially “hey you idiots if you’re without sin go ahead and pummel her with stones” and they walk away asses busted. And these aren’t just stories. Non-believing historians back a lot of the history up as well. Jewish historian Josephus, Roman historian Tacitus as well. I mean, I wasn’t there for Abe Lincoln but I know he was there.

And if you knew the different sects and how each of them prognosticated a savior and all the “miracles” he would perform… many years before his birth… you would know that the virgin birth, the walking on water, the division of bread and fish, the turning of water into wine and the resurrection were all what the Nazarene sect had the myth set many years before Jesus was born.

And don’t let anyone tell you Yeshua wasn’t a real person. He was.

He just didn’t do any of the magical mystery stuff his sect posthumously applied to him through word of mouth for about a century after his death until that varying story became static through print.

If you don’t believe in the virgin birth, you can’t possibly believe in the resurrection.

Yes… myth.

That doesn’t mean his teachings aren’t good. That just means his teachings are those of his sect. And except for the fact the core of his message had been taught for a millennium or more in several other religions… and that most of those who subscribe to his legend do so more to the legend than the message… and that I don’t think the Nazarene’s talked about sha’ol… but I’ll have to look that up…Yeshua was just a hippie who would be one of the Occupy leaders nowadays.

Man, I just shake my head, truly, I’ve just heard horrific things, in the past, and recently about abuses, physically and emotionally because of Catholic upbringings. Not that it happens in all cases. I have to say…I wouldn’t blame you a bit for saying FUCK RIGHT OFF.

Yes, I know of Prof. Borg. I feel bad because there are several cases of men who try and try to prove Christ as a fraud. It saddens me. C.S. Lewis was an atheist for a while. Josh McDowell wrote a book called Evidence That Demand a Verdict. You might give it a try…

I’m not following real close on the sect references as I come from an evangelical background. For sure I believe in Yeshua (Jesus) as real! Birth and death and resurrection. And, that there were many prophetic references hundreds of years before his birth about the Savior (Jesus/Yeshua), if that’s what you mean. I’m award that even Muhammad made reference to Jesus in the Kuran but I believe Jesus is “the way, the truth, and the life.”

As long as you don’t mind giving up happiness, or forcing others to give up their happiness then I guess there’s nothing wrong with believing any unprovable myth. Most atheists start having a problem when those beliefs infringe on others.
Besides, Pascal’s wager works in reverse too… if “God” exists then he probably doesn’t mind that someone is skeptical about his existence based on him never showing one shred of verifiable evidence.
Plus, you can’t be forced to believe in anything. Sure you can be forced or even voluntarily go through the motions of what a person who believes in a god does but anyone who thinks critically would come to the conclusion that it’s all unnecessary.

He sounds like a guy who can relate to all kinds of men and be able to connect on faith as well as those who are ‘all in with football’. I can see based on that 1 video, it’s how he says things, not exactly what he says. He speaks his mind, but thinks before he speaks. I can see why kids would want to play for him QB wise.

I thought he was very articulate and projects well. You knew what his points were and how much he cares about developing young men. It was night and day listening to compared to Riley’s vagueness and struggles to put together coherent sentences. Liked his soldier analogy and belief in hard work and preparation. You can tell he takes great care of his body and values sound nutrition for athletes to perform their best. I believe he would represent Oregon State very well and has the most obvious upside. I know I will start my season tickets back up without hesitation if he is hired.

All I know about Frost is that my 58 year old blackjack at Planet Hollywood back in August was all hot and bothered by him. Apparently, he was playing at her table a couple months previously. I asked how much he was betting a hand and she indicated $25. Thought maybe he might have been a bigger bettor.

“I heard a similar rumor as well, and am trying to confirm with a few people. My source said meeting with Pres. Ray to secure the money for a top tier coach. At this point it is all rumor and hearsay, but it does appear to have legs and could prove to be a bold move for the Beavs to compete in the conference with the big boys.”
Angie talking about a donor meeting so we can land a good coach
Origanal post:”Rumor
Don’t mean to give false hope, and the info I have is 2nd hand. Has anyone heard about a donor meeting for our largest donors tomorrow? If so they are thinking of a bigger name then I would have ever thought was possible or anyone has mentioned as a possibility. DA had every reason to be excited in his tweet.”

Former players are certainly in the mix, though obviously most can’t/won’t be on campus for any meeting tomorrow. There are a handful of businessmen from Portland, at least 1 from Eugene that I know of, who have the ability to write a fairly large check for the right coach. The one I actually know has basically been waiting Riley out, he really, really doesn’t like the guy.

We may not have the big names like Phil Knight, but we’ve got some people out there.

Just generalities; that influential donors were pissed off about Riley, but they didn’t want to buy him out. My guess these guys finally had enough and demanded Banker gone. Those theories seem accurate.

I can’t imagine anyone even remotely successful looking at the job MR was doing, his complacency, laid back attitude, and think to themselves, ‘Gee, ol’ Mike sure seems to really be into this. He sure is giving it his all. I should open my wallet and if we can’t get him a raise, see if we can’t get more cash flowing for Banks, too!’

Weirdly, I’ve heard it was more Read that caused the issue. Banker, for sure to a certain extent…but the point was made loudly and repeatedly about obvious deficiencies in Read’s recruiting and coaching. (At least Banker could lure in a kid from Hawaii or whatever, Read couldn’t recruit for shit. Say what you will about Banker, he could stuff the shit out of a pro-style offense like USC.) So these donors go to Bob and ask for changes and Riley won’t even admit that Read should be replaced…the donors say…well, fuck Riley, he’ll never change.

That’s what I’ve heard. And it started in 2006. Riley was a loss away from getting fired at that point, after the WSU game. Lots of excuses, lots of finger pointing. I think Bob was still in Riley’s corner at that time (hence the ‘lifetime contract that would come later) but Bob has come around since.

He shit canned Ungerer after telling him to his face that once he was in the inner circle he was ‘part of the family.’ That lasted, what, 2 years? Then ol’ Dave was unceremoniously dumped and the Ungerers were shunned by the remaining coaching staff for the remainder of the time they spent in Corvallis.

It’s more than 2 years. There was serious grumbling early in 2006, more after the loss to BYU in 2009. The last 2 years have been really bad though, just (from what I’ve heard) the additive nature of finally seeing Mike’s bullshit for what it is.

Rumors that if hired, spaghetti and meatballs plate would bring on a bag of garlic bread as Defensive Coordinator. However, concern that Nebraska fans would push to poach garlic bread to replace Banker.

Well, Bryan Harsin is one. I know I’ve seen his name on plenty of lists, but It’ll take much more than people think to get him here, but I believe his name is on the table. He makes 1.2 million now, I bet it takes over double that to even get him to answer the phone.

It does make sense that donors have been holding back serious donations and waiting for the right moment to use their money wisely instead of donating to eliminate a coach, but to hire one instead. This is the opportune moment to hire someone who is interested, but wants the donors behind them which Riley clearly had for awhile, but at some point, the donations either slowed or stalled and Riley kept asking for more help $$ wise but wasn’t getting it…therefore, he decided to take a job that had constant backing by donors no matter what.

regrettably, I think we’re in a situation where the best we can hope for is to lure away a mid-major guy like Wells or a top coordinator like Wilcox. otherwise the recourse is tempt fate with a lower division guy like Baldwin or a re-tread.

Hopefully its putting together a strong enough offer to get and keep Frost. What we’ve been doing isn’t enough. I know many Oregon State fans who have been holding back that would be thrilled with a Frost hire.

Doesn’t mean they can’t talk to him or offer it to him if the interest is mutual. He could put together a staff and have them out recruiting while he finishes up with the Broncos. I know you wouldn’t be a fan of that hire though.

Like I said, he could hire a staff and have them out recruiting. Is that feasable? I really don’t know. All I saying is Del Rio would not be eliminated as a candidate if there is mutual interest because he’s in his current gig until January or February

Yeah, I agree about Del Rio being a possibility. Angry mentioned the pitfalls of that choice. Might make sense that Derek Andersen would hear things through the NFL pipeline. Not sure the hire would make sense though.

Fisher would be a great hire. However his contract with the Rams is 5 years, 35 million (or 7 mil per season). He’s not gonna walk away from that. I also don’t see the rams firing him after giving him only 2 years. They have improved under his coaching

Fisher? I doubt that. He’s done decent with the Rams this year with a QB no one has ever heard of. They are 6-7 after today and mathematically still alive for the playoffs but it looks bleak they’ll get in.

because most folks were annoyed with hearing “let it play out” when we’ve been watching it play out for years to the same results. It’s the anticipation. Are we going to get someone that can get us to the next level.

oh, I agree I’m getting excited like everyone else; I just find it sad that it got that bad. At first I was upset that he left but after I letting it sit in I figure it was for the best. I also think that Riley will burn at NU

I don’t think it was bad. Just apathy had set in with a lot of people. We knew Riley was never going to get us to the Rose Bowl. His best year was an Alamo bowl loss to a mediocre Texas team that OSU had beaten for 3 quarters until Riley decided to go pass pass pass again and the DE for Texas sacked Vaz about 20 times.

One angle from the rumored meeting might be a situation where they have their guy (really feels like Frost) but maybe that guy is interested but has some conditions (budget, stadium expansion, branding, etc..)and this meeting tomorrow is about how OSU will meet those conditions.
Donors being excited enough to have this meeting is already a good sign.

wow UH better than WSU unsure if that is a good or bad thing for WSU lean more toward good but he did bring some excitement to them if not wins. I hope the Beavers new coach does not end up the same thing because a few years of excitement just to have it fall flat is not worth it. Therefore, I not all for a big name for big name sake

Well, I think you can lump Del Rio, Jeff Fisher, and really any NFL personnel that has a household name into the NFW category.

We’re more likely to succeed with a hungrier lower division coach with something to prove and wants to stay and build, than say a career retread looking to cash a few checks before springboarding the job and bailing at the first opportunity.

I don’t think it sounds good in theory. OSU is a college. Hire a college coach…recruiting, the politics, donors, etc. NFL guy won’t get it. Jack Del Rio would be a terrible hire who’d likely take 3 mil to get and then start his son (not that I think LDR is bad…don’t know yet, but we want open competition).

I have and he did admirable in Jacksonville at 68-71. Jacksonville wasn’t/isn’t known for being a big spending team. Or having much fan support. Thus the rumors every year that they are the most likely team to relocate. They went 12-4 in 2005 and 11-5 in 2007 were his best years. His defense in Denver this season statistically has been pretty damn good. Much better than last years. I’m a broncos fan and watch them every Sunday. 3-1 last year as interim head coach while John Fox had heart surgery. Also has a SB ring from the Ravens as an assistant.

Jim Mora Jr has worked out well for UCLA. He had no college coaching experience. I see nothing wrong with bringing in an NFL guy as long as he’s a good coach and understands he’s going to have to surround himself with assistants that know the ins and outs of recruiting. But let me ask you, if you’re bound for college wouldn’t an ex-NFL lifer and future hall of famer sitting in your living room making a pitch to come play for him move your meter? Even a little?

“Was told I couldn’t mention the name. The donors are being asked for big money and they are not just taking a stab at their target. There is mutual interest which seemed so absurd that it was hard for me to believe, That’s why I asked the original question. The name I heard has no college head coaching experience so if that’s what you’re looking for and this is true, I guess you’ll be disappointed!” from the guy on blitz

a. no head coaching experience
b. the guy who heard this seemed shocked. due to the distance, an alabama assistant would be surprising, as would mutual interest
c. it would make a splash to get the alabama dc. you can see donors ponying up to get someone from a storied program like that.

Actually, it’s not that absurd….no large buyout, wants to go somewhere where he can win and does want to be a head coach somewhere…makes sense in needing to know if we have boosters to give the right support.

Where is Pettibonehead? You chickenshit. Step up to the plate and put your name in the hat. It has been many years you have sat on the sidelines, and surely you must be much more “eddicated” in all aspects of the game. Come back and vindicate your sad ass. Bring the Beavers to uncharted glory. Now is your chance.

Machado and her cronies are only sending out click bait. No one should be falling for it. She has nothing. No insider sources, she’s only regurgitating media speculation.

footballscoop.com and coachingsearch.com are reputable sites for coaching moves that won’t publish click bait. Other coaches watch this site to see where the openings are.

So far no media outlet has been able to confirm any rumors. Since there has been so much silence, I am kind of expecting the hire to be out of left field. Of all the candidates that have been mentioned, I don’t see any as a home run hire. Most seem to be decent but nothing that would immediately change how others see OSU.

It’s easier listing the people I would say are bad hires so here goes,
Matt Wells – A do more with less guy. Don’t want to see another Mike Riley type hire.
Baldwin – It would take him a bit to make the transition and other programs will pass him by while he does.
Neuheisal – Tends to leave programs in ruins.
Hoke, Long – No need to bring back guys who were here when OSU stunk.
Frost – Oregon is a machine, not sure how he’d fare outside it.
Del Rio – the only reason this would be a bad hire is because of his son.

These could be less bad hires depending on who they hire on their staff. I expect some urgency soon. BDC needs to get this person hired in the next week so they can get recruiting back and up again.

I used to be a season ticket holder. A guy like this getting hired would instantly bring me back on board as a season ticket holder.
It’s all entertainment spending to me. A retread pac 12 coach that I’ve seen fail before is a script I’ve already seen play out. (Hoke, Tedford, Neuheisal) Somebody who can bring a fresh take on things into Corvallis is what I want to see. I want to be excited to show up at Reser to see how things unfold, rather than dread the drive down there because I already know how the game will look before I get there. I want somebody who is hungry, not somebody who is looking for a job. Frost and Wells are 2 guys I could get behind. A jaded NFL failure is not somebody I want coming in. I want somebody who aspires to be an NFL coach some day, not somebody who is retreating back to college ball.