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I love the traces that Hans Zimmer produced for these projects: The Bible Series/ Son Of God. I just wish that producers and filmmakers could release more tracks from these projects.It would be nice if they could...

I know we'll never figure this out clearly but if I had to guess I'd say Faith, In the Beginning, and Roma's Lament were the ones where Zimmer had a big role, and then the rest of the score is Balfe/the other arrangers. What do you guys think? Faith definitely has a Journey to the Line vibe, and then In the Beginning sounds like the Marry Me suite from POTC3, and then he posted the nativity scene (which has the same theme from Roma's Lament) on Facebook when this score first came out (implying he worked on that). What do you guys think?

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Anonymous

2014-03-16 23:23:31

Of course I think Lorne was involved with those three tracks WITH Hans... :)

MacArthur

2014-03-16 23:55:50

Don't Forget "Creation Choral" That one is the main bible theme.

Anonymous

2014-03-17 01:00:07

Yeah true but it's just the theme from In the Beginning in powerhouse form...I always figured it was a Lorne arrangement of that theme, but idk. :)

RealFfingMusic

2014-03-17 17:57:27

It's very hard to distinguish between Hans and Lorne Balfe. He works so much with Hans he sounds quite a lot Zimmer-y to me.

He was undercredited in Inception and Megamind, and I believe he did a lot here too. (I would like to know how much).

I think "In the Beginning" is a lot more Zimmer than Balfe too, but we can't be sure. It might turn out that this one and Faith are the only ones Zimmer didn't touch! lol.

Mike

2014-03-17 19:35:31

No, I agree with RealFfingMusic: In the Beginning definitely sounds like it's mostly Zimmer. Same with the first couple minutes of Faith, as it slowly builds.

According to IMDB Lorne will score "Son of God" himself, without Zimmer.

MacArthur

2013-10-22 18:59:01

Ok...I was thinking that you were saying Balfe Scored the Bible soundtrack. I was gonna say.most of the Bible score was Zimmer. :)

Mike

2013-10-22 19:54:29

Hybrid, would you please clear this up? Is it not true that Lorne did most, or at least a good half, of this score, and that it is *not* mostly Zimmer?

Hybrid Soldier

2013-10-22 20:04:26

Of course Lorne did most of it...

HZ's words on it : "...And yes, Lorne out-did himself on this one! Great, great work by him."

I guess that says it all, nope ?

Mike

2013-10-22 20:06:39

Thank you, sir!

MacArthur

2013-10-22 20:37:10

Ok...But still The Director's did say that Zimmer's score was essential, and that's not the AP that's the Director's saying that. But I will say that Balfe did have have a good deal in the score as Hybrid said

Mike

2013-10-22 20:52:24

The Beyond: Two Souls creators also said how great it was that HANS ZIMMER did that score, but we both know he did not. Hans' name gives publicity and directors know that, so even if he just did a bit, they'll make it sound like he had a huge hand in it.

MacArthur

2013-10-22 21:00:01

Sorry about saying most if your thinking that I mean Zimmer did like 90% of this score I know that he didn't But I will say that he did about half if not 60% of this simply because the Director's sat in on the some Scoring session. From what I gather from beyond two souls the creator's did not.

MacArthur

2013-10-22 21:09:33

One other thing about this score Zimmer is listed as a Composer and not a producer as he is in beyond two souls

Edmund Meinerts

2013-10-22 21:17:26

60%? More like 25%. If that. Zimmer does a lot less than you seem to think he does, Mac.

MacArthur

2013-10-22 21:49:38

Where do you get that info that he did only 25%?

MacArthur

2013-10-22 21:57:09

I'll give half the credit to Balfe. but I'll bet Zimmer did more than you guys give him credit for.

Edmund Meinerts

2013-10-23 00:13:08

It's just that scores credited to Zimmer and Balfe are almost invariably more the latter than the former. We had that with MW2, we had that with Megamind, we had that with The Dilemma. Not quite as sure about Crysis 2 but there's so little RCP music in that one that it's hard to tell.

In the case of The Bible it's also more of a gut feeling. Most of the score just seems to sound more Balfey to me than Zimmerish. "Faith" is really the only cue that strikes me as really having a lot of Zimmer vibe. Maybe he also had a hand in writing the themes but I'm willing to bet Balfe was the one who did the actual cues, which counts more in my book. Put that together with what we know about previous "Zimmer/Balfe" scores and I have a fairly strong inclination that Balfe did most of the legwork. And what Hybrid said just above me in this thread doesn't exactly disprove my gut feeling, does it.

I'd be glad to find out more about what happened here, but until then, it's "Balfe until proven Zimmer" for me. :p

MacArthur

2013-10-23 06:53:36

Ok...To each his own, And I understand that. MW2 was Mostly Balfe looking at some sources.

Megamind I did not know about. Funny cause a few cues in that like "black mamba"Rejection in the rain and Melan-choly sound like Zimmer to me

For this one in terms of a gut feeling I get what you are saying here what sounds like Zimmer to me.

"Faith""In The Beginning""Roma's Lament"The next four are so bland and repetitive hence Balfe, Also occurs in MW2 several times where the music get old.

But I get the feeling 12-16 are Zimmer even "I Am" is Zimmer.

That's My Gut Feeling. :)

Mike

2013-10-23 17:31:42

Honestly, I feel like a lot of times it's not easy to tell what's Balfe and what's Zimmer when both names are on the cover. Balfe does so much ghostwriting and arranging for Zimmer that he really sounds like Zimmer (unless a score is JUST Lorne Balfe without Zimmer's name attached in any way, in which case you can usually tell a difference). In MW2, if I were told that all of it was Zimmer, I'd believe it. I mean, yes, Zimmer has a distinct sound, but a lot of the time it's more blurry than you seem to think (when you say things like "This sounds like Zimmer to me"--it all kinda sounds like Zimmer!). And to say that something bland and repetitive must be Lorne Balfe is unreasonable. Also, there's a lot of music in MW2's complete score. I wouldn't call it "repetitive". Each mission has a new feel to its music, generally. Though I will admit the "Extraction Point" theme was a little overused in the Washington DC portions of the game.

Mike

2013-10-23 17:55:21

...and my apologies if that seemed overly harsh. Wasn't meant to. :P

MacArthur

2013-10-23 18:00:42

No biggy Understand.

To Me in MW2 Around track 6 though 12 or 13 it all sounds the same. But the Game Experience is preety cool.

I think so. Considering it only says "Composer: Main Theme" next to Zimmer's name up there...I wouldn't be surprised if "Faith" was a largely Zimmer cue and the rest could be chalked up to Balfe, but that's purely guesswork on my part. The man in the green text probably will know better than I.

Anon.

2013-05-16 23:41:25

Hybrid, wonder if you could answer this:

So, a score like the Bible or Call of Duty MWFII says Hans Zimmer composer/main theme, Lorne Balfe composer, when I'm sure Lorne uses a majority of Zimmer's themes for the final score, then plays around with them for the cues. BUT then (as i've concluded from many comments on this site) a very similar thing happens on scores like Dark Knight Rises and Sherlock Holmes, yet only Zimmer is credited. Doesn't seem fair or Lorne?

Is this because of legal contract issues? or is there other reasons????

As much as I enjoy leisurely listening to the scores or Hans and RCP, I feel as if it's completely ruining the way film scores are made. It's no longer 1 composer spending hours and committing their life to the art, it's become a 'pop' album, where the credited person does basic work on themes and ideas, but then gives it to a million other people to 'do the work for them."

I'm all for collaboration, but this is completely ruining the art of film music.

Mike

2013-05-17 23:04:42

I can answer that one, Anon. With The Dark Knight Rises, pretty much ALL the music comes from one of two sources: the suites Hans wrote for the movie or from the scores of Batman Begins and The Dark Knight (also by Hans). And even though Lorne arranged a whole lot of cues for the film, they're hardly changed from the way Hans wrote them, so you're truly listening to Hans Zimmer when you watch the film.

With Modern Warfare 2, Hans only wrote ONE piece, the Opening Titles. The other pieces are not only arranged by Lorne (as in TDKR) but COMPOSED BY Lorne (something not the case in TDKR).

Mike

2013-05-17 23:16:57

While TDKR can truly be called a Hans score, however, I do understand the question with regards to Inception (which I mentioned on that page), where Lorne not only arranged the score as heard in the film but wrote a couple themes himself (Fischer's theme, Kick It Suite, and possibly even Saito's theme). In that case I would say he should be given credit as a co-composer.

Bioscope

2013-08-28 05:38:29

@ Edmund. LOL, I like that. Get ready, guys, cause He is coming back. This Syria thing is worrying me...

MacArthur

2013-08-28 06:34:51

Zimmer actually did most of Inception

Mike

2013-08-28 18:18:45

Not really, MacArthur...

MacArthur

2013-08-29 06:12:29

I put the Track listings ion the Dark Knight Rises Zimmer Did Help with the Balfe Themes and He was Credited with the Oscar and if there are to many composers hollywood won't nominate a score That's why The Dark Knight didn't get nominated

JamesT

2013-08-29 06:27:09

Any possibility of Recording Sessions with this? The variations and hours of additional, unreleased material are just magnificent! Hoping so!

I gather that Zimmer did More than just the main theme simply because the director and producers were commenting on his score and other interviews Hans was asked how he did the score. so in my opinion Hans did more than just the Main theme.

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MacArthur

2013-08-26 06:42:37

And also on the CD it says that he did more than just the theme and had more involvement in it than just that. now Balfe did a lot of the score and I'm Talking like 50% of it while Hans did about 40% And 10% The Additional Composers.

Mike

2013-08-26 17:22:29

You have a point, my friend. Why would the series' crew say so much about Zimmer's music if he only did a theme?

Mike

2013-08-26 17:28:08

I would also imagine Hans did "Marry Me"...Oh, I'm sorry, I meant "In the Beginning". ;)

MacArthur

2013-08-26 23:34:37

I Don't Get it

MacArthur

2013-08-27 19:17:14

I would Imagine That He Did at least 55%

Mike

2013-08-27 23:46:16

I said the Marry Me thing because "In the Beginning" sounds intensely reminiscent of Hans Zimmer's suite "Marry Me" from At World's End.

Edmund Meinerts

2013-08-27 23:50:36

Really? I thought it sounded more like the Terminator theme. Which is hilarious.

What is the main theme because faith didn't sound like a theme more a opening to the series. The main theme I thought was in creation choral, nativity, in the beginning, and Roma's Lament. those sounded like the main themes.

Bioscope

2013-08-02 08:03:02

'In The Beginning' could serve as an intro theme, as it resembles The Chorale, but there was no single intro theme used to open the series. They always varied based on 'Previously On The Bible'.

Just a little offtopic - does anyone know something about Lorne's/RCP involvement in Fast & Furious 6? There's a bunch of RCP credits (Lorne Balfe as technical assistant, Gavin Greenaway as conductor) in end titles of the movie + the whole score sounds quite "RCP-ish" in some places (it even features a few samples from the RCP sample library). Thanks! :)

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Hybrid Soldier

2013-05-25 08:29:10

Vidal is quite linked to RCP indeed. Bruce Fowler orchestrated some of his movies.

Lorne "technical assistant" ? You sure ? No way, he wouldn't lose time on a film like that as tech assistant. Music consultant why not. This just looks like a credit to hide his true role. I'll do a little enquiry about that... :P

I'm curious about the situation with this one, because it sounded like one of those "complicated scores" (and I don't mean a bad score - just a last minute rewrite, or something like that - the score itself is actually quite enjoyable). It borrows heavily from Brian Tyler's material for last two movies (mainly Letty's and the "family" theme) and it also features quite a few temp-track inspired cues (Mombasa, Time), but of course that's not a fault of a composer. :)

Edmund Meinerts

2013-05-25 14:11:01

I heard somewhere that Vidal now works in HGW's old studio, is that true?

Also, more to the point, is the score from FF6 going to get a release? The movie's already out and I haven't heard anything, which is making me a little nervous. I really like Vidal's scores (Cold Light of Day was excellent) and this is his biggest movie yet so I'm interested to hear it, especially if he actually keeps continuity with Tyler's themes. A different composer keeping the previous themes? I must be dreaming!

Hybrid Soldier

2013-05-25 18:36:33

Lorne confirmed to me he did some consulting on it. Just some advice to Vidal... :)

And yeah, I watched the film this morning, lots of RCP samples used indeed !

Prott

2013-05-25 23:41:01

Thanks Hybrid! :) Yeah, lots of samples, but sadly there weren't any RCP-sampled french horns. Those are always epic... :-)

Edmund Meinerts

2013-05-26 00:03:57

Thank God! If there's one thing that bugs me it's synth horns. I don't mind electronics if they can add to the orchestra, but I'd prefer them not to replace it.

Prott

2013-05-26 01:29:45

For me it depends on the style of the score - they would bug me in more "lyrical" scores (like Da Vinci Code, PotC 3), but they are great when it comes to the sheer force. :)

In the Beginning is amazing! It's like a perfect mix of the love theme from POTC3 and the Da Vinci Code.

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Mike

2013-05-03 07:14:24

It is. I haven't seen the series, but I imagine judging by the track title that "I Am" plays during Moses' encounter with God in the Burning Bush. So I wonder how Hans felt having to score that a second time (the first time being "The Burning Bush" from "The Prince of Egypt").

Mike

2013-05-03 07:16:17

Though perhaps this one was referring to the words Christ in John 8...But that seems unlikely.

Edmund Meinerts

2013-05-04 00:20:06

Although not as good as either of those two things, plus the melody reminds me of Terminator somehow.

Highly doubt there's "only" 2 hours of music for a 7+ hour show. But I haven't seen it, so maybe there's not much music in it !(?)

Bioscope

2013-04-20 21:08:36

@Per, maybe true, but there were a lot of places where the same music was tracked, looped and edited, as we witnessed in SURVIVOR, care of Landau's library music. The validity of this is so so, but the spelling mistakes worry me a little. I hope these are not fanmade titles...

x-jazz

2013-04-20 23:11:08

Any info if this is a DVD-rip? Indeed there are a lot of scenes where the same music was tracked, but there is still a lot of great music in the series that has not been released yet, some great choral and orchestral passages and some nice variations of existing themes, so I do hope this is indeed real. The "Carrying The Cross" cue and the choral piece when Paul gets arrested in the end (also plays in the court of Pharaoh with Moses earlier on) are the ones I really wish were released.

I'm loving this score and some of the great variations of the themes throughout the series. What's the possibility more score will be released?

Felix

2013-04-04 00:08:53

at Lorne Balfe's Youtube-Site exist more tracks from the serie

Radik

2013-04-27 00:13:02

Great, Beautiful, Literally god music from Hans :) EPIC, best historic series i've ever seen. The last scene made me cry altought i am an atheist :)

Bioscope

2013-04-27 07:08:48

Both my wife and I cried when we watched the scene, and I listened to the score underneath. I only now appreciate what this man went through for me, someone he had never even met as a human walking on Earth. Beautiful and wise that FAITH was also used with dread overlays for the Abraham and Isaac sequence. (Sacrificing your own son.

The most poigniant sequence since THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST as would be allowed for television viewing...

Our souls need a complete recording sessions. Terrific mini-series and divine score!!! The official album is also fantastic. I love this masterpiece *__*cheers

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Bioscope

2013-04-04 16:38:06

That would be awesome. It shouldn't be hard, as Lorne himself is lately so generous with his own material. SWEENEY and RESTLESS both offer legal complete scores, so why not THE BIBLE? It seems it is up to Hans Zimmer's views regarding his contributions...

Also, it feels like this score was done with sampled orchestra and live players, so the re-use should be minimal.

@Bryan: I TOTALLY agree! This score is very well done and anyone who says otherwise is ignorant at recognizing a great piece of work. It's like a mix of Da Vinci Code and Gladiator. Good mix.

Jonathan Rochat

2013-03-05 13:20:13

I do not think I'm a ignorant. I heard more than 200 works of Hans Zimmer, and I would like to say that this one is Ok, but a disappointment in regards of what Zimmer has done many years before. The musical structure and the themes are not very original, i was expecting more, sorry.

On a "Faith" theme, I prefer to come back to the "Prince of Egypt" 15 years before...

Edmund Meinerts

2013-03-05 13:36:25

So anyone who disagrees with you, Jimmer, is ignorant and incapable of recognizing "true art"? As Chandler would say, could you BE any more arrogant? :/

And @Jonathan...are there even 200 works of Hans Zimmer out there? Unless you're counting individual cues...

Jonathan Rochat

2013-03-05 13:54:30

@ Edmund: Yes 200 is a bit exaggerated ;) 155 different works counting one track work such that "Who are the Roma?" Officially this is around 130 soundtracks for movies.More than 200 is with complete release...

Edmund Meinerts

2013-03-05 18:26:24

Ah, gotcha. I don't tend to count completes and OSTs of the same movie as two different "works", so my count is somewhere around a hundred. Of course, it's hard to know whether to include something like Crysis 2 or Megamind where HZ only contributed a theme or some additional music.

david

2013-03-08 20:47:12

this is masterpiece! one of the best work from hans and lorne in last years, who doesnt hear in this massive huge epic melodies is probably deaf...

Jonathan Rochat

2013-03-10 19:30:31

@ Edmund:

Of course, if we do not count score like the one you mentioned, I'm not sure we will reach 40 or 50 by hans himself... ;)This is not a surprise to see that Hans is one the composer with the most credited film music comparing to the majority. But yes, maybe the half has not been written by him.

Personally, one of the last time I put more than **** stars to a Zimmer's score was back to 2006 with the Da Vinci Code , which seems to be one of the last real Zimmer score, a sign? ;)

Hybrid Soldier

2013-03-10 19:35:00

And then you're getting about Da Vinci... But as usual you have no clue about how things are going on ! Just "I think" !

Jonathan Rochat

2013-03-10 21:29:24

Well this is not the very large list of all people that are working on a Zimmer's soundtrack since 2006 that tends to think the opposite in fact. :D

I really enjoy Zimmer in general, but the last years were in my opinion the worst of his career, even if there were sometimes very good moments. Just a thought.

But "the Bible" is finally quite good, juste not very original. I still expect a lot for "Man of Steel" :D