I have been to the resident evil board to see what the hell capcom has been doing latley and all i see is negetivity.capcom newest game is re4 and will have a new editor are something.resident evil fans seem to hate on silent hill saying "The resident evil series will eat silent hill alive"lol re4 looks like some damn lord of the rings crap that now has trolls and villages,lol.comparing RE4 and silent hill hmm does anyone think that silent hill has taken over the survival horror games and resident evil who started the genre is left in the dust?can i get some honset opions pleses.(Silent hill is the leader of the new-school now!)

I think RE is more mainstream while SH is more nitchey. I prefer SH, but more people know about RE. I also feel it is hard to compare the two because even though they are similar genres, the two play very differently.

Man im going with silent hill all the way.i use to be a re fan until sh1 first appeared in 99,i wanted to move on to something more challenging and horrifying.shooting zombies became kinda boring to me after playing silent hill and i see resident evil finshed in 2 years.

"resident evil fans seem to hate on silent hill saying "The resident evil series will eat silent hill alive""
Then I'm glad that for most of the time we SH fans seem more content to enjoy our games, rather than waste time congratulating ourselves for telling each other about how crap we think RE is

That said, at one stage I did play and enjoy the RE games. I just found SH to be overall a better series.

Most obvious issue for me with RE was controls. When it actually gets frustrating to control a character, there's gotta be a problem there somewhere. *hugs SH3 controls*

I do think the RE games have a decent storyline, it's just that Silent Hill seems to take a different approach. Less of a strict plot, more of a set of guidelines from which you can speculate and hypothesise and imagine. I quite like that, the way it doesn't fall for that annoying need so many movies seem to have to explain every last detail.

I also find that, in general, the scariness in RE tends to come from jump-scares, from not knowing when there's going to be another zombie around the corner. SH, on the other hand, builds up this atmosphere that gives you a deeper psychological feeling of unsettling wrongness (as soon as I saw the SH1 school I knew it would be a great game). You hardly ever get scared simply by the sudden appearance of a monster in SH. It's more the sort of thing that gives you a glimpse or a hint of something disturbing, just enough that you'll be lying in bed hours later and still thinking about it.

I'm excited about both,I think RE needs a change(Umbrella will be involved Bond).RE4 looks better(not just graphics,it looks better in all areas) than any RE before it.I must say when I played 0 on the cube and the game did that frame-by-frame ****(which I thought was gona after CVX)I was pissed.No stills in RE4.That being siad,I'm more excited about SH4,because

A)SH2 team is back,and SH2 was the best horror game ever.I expect no less from SH4.
B)The series is more scarier(except SH3,which was about as scary as a peice of wood).
C)Story,again SH series has better stories than RE games,especially SH2.

But RE4 looks orgasmic and atmospheric, something that SH is famous for, I am buying RE4 and I think itll be the best in the series but SH4 is more interesting to me, the whole concept and the darkness factor, RE4 concept is very "28 days later" which aint bad but meh.

uhh.... did you make a typo or something? RE4 doesn't look "orgasmic" in any way, shape, or form.

I'm going for SH4... the "new" RE4 looks like it's parting with a bit too much of the formula, but this might be for the better. I'm sick of zombies but i don't get these "infected" people.... seems kinda suspicious.

Yeah, kiera, you obviously haven't heard the RE4 news. The whole series has seemingly lost everything I love about it. Thus, SH4 (which remains true to the types of scares, environments, etc, that I've come to know and love with the SH series) will be the better game.

Hell, SH2 was more fun than some RE games, anyway. RE was always just better because there was more of it to love.

More people know about SH than I thought though. It's true that RE is more known and WILL outsell SH 4. It wasn't looking too good for RE when I played SH 3 and realized the huge amount of action AND tension. It was the better game than like 2 RE games put together. Yes, I did find SH 3 scary because it was the first SH I ever played.

Capcom is brilliant and I'm happy with how they changed up RE. RE remake was THE last attempt to make zombies scary with the Crimson Head idea. Now that we got that and loved it, let's move to something new now.

Ok, RE 4 does NOT look anything like Lord of the Rings. I dont even think that "troll" as people call it looks like Lord of the Rings either. It's not a zombie, it's not a Hunter, it's not a mutated plant, bug, bat, etc. It's something totally different, which is what the series desperately needed. I now know that I like both SH and RE the same. Whenever people over at the RE board talk down on SH, I defend it appropriately and vice versa.

Quite a few fans are upset about the story so far. I dont see how you can be since Capcom has hardly revealed anything at all. Now that they revealed that Umbrella will be involved in the plot, some people stop complaining. All it takes is patience and faith in your series. That's all.

And I did say RE4 looks orgasmic, I dare to say it looks better in some areas than SH4 but one of the things that I like about SH is that the game are very intelectual and you pretty much need to figure out the story and interpretate the characters behaviors and the dark side, and thats something RE will never have.

Oh yeah, I knew I forgot to mention something. Both games have excellent stories. RE's story continues and connects in beautiful ways. RE 4's story is something entirely new so far, but it will connect to the older story one way or another.

SH is always about something different, but the evil of the town is the source of the plot. I must say that SH's story is WAY deeper than I ever imagined though.

Visually, RE 4 takes the prize without a doubt. Well afterall, it is the Gamecube's full graphical capacity. You can sure see it too, from the new, smoother screenshots. It's the best looking game on any console thus far.

I do know that SH 4 will be scarier, but RE 4 will have a new type of fear, which is more than welcomed. Capcom even stated that there will be some classical RE moments in the game. What more can you ask for? This may just be the best RE. Will it overthrow the classic RE 1 (RE remake)? It just might.

I liked both series but have to give a winning nod to SH. The SH series are cool because they have atmosphere, and the stories are more twisted. I also like how the main characters are just regular people put in a bad situation. With RE, it's kind of hard to be that scared when you're packing bazookas and submachine guns, and you're controlling trained military soldiers and cops. The RE games are still cool, though.

I loved RE untill i played SH2, now i cant play RE because its too hard to control, and over all boring
Its gone too mainstream and each new game feels like playing the last one, the only major changes ive seen were the Nemisis and plot branching of RE3 the crimson heads of REmake and no item boxes in RE0

Each SH is new in some way or another, making it less predictable, more creepy scary, fresh and fun.

The scariness is different from the 2 sierieses in that the 'scares' of RE are things jumping out at you. In SH it is the creepy, disturbing horror that keeps you awake at night with a lite on and your eyes open because if you close them you will think about what you might have seen, or something like that.

"Its gone too mainstream and each new game feels like playing the last one, the only major changes ive seen were the Nemisis and plot branching of RE3 the crimson heads of REmake and no item boxes in RE0"

Hmmm... I think it's as simple as this. The RE series stopped being scary. It just isn't. Code Veronica wasn't scary to me at all. It just felt like a regular adventure game.

And now RE4 has zombies that move faster and carry chain saws. I don't know... The game itself is visually beautiful. But I don't know that I'll be scared by it. I still haven't beat Code Veronica. Haven't picked up Zero either. I'm sure I will at one point.

My favorite RE of all of them is still RE2. It must have just been the setting.

SH, on the other hand, is scary because it messes with your head. In RE, your just killing monsters. We already know that Umbrella is behind it all. Getting more details on Umbrella isn't that exciting. The story just isn't interesting anymore.

I'll be honest though. The double headed girl-thing that walks on it's hands in RE4 looks really stupid to me. Maybe I'll have to wait to play the game.

ok of what ive seen this is no contest at all. after i got done reading the article about RE4 i was just liek what they hey? can this game still be legally called Resident Evil? i mean it sounds so far off from every other one i've played i dont see any connection aside from Leon and Umbrella INC, which both seem to have changed a lot as well. so i am HIGHLY sekptical about this game and it take every ounce of my loyalty for the series to even try it.

SH4 however is a totally different story. SH2 is my 3rd fav game of all time and i just know Konami is working overtime to make this a jewel after SH3 didn't live up to expectations. the 2 min trailer for it i have seen about a dozen times and i still think wow whenever i see it. this game looks like itll be so dark and twisted that it would give stephen king nightmares!

As I've said before, I like the creepiness of SH. The RE games have never been scary to me, possibly because I don't find chemically induced zombie-ism scary. I agree with the poster above who said it was more like a regular adventure game. It's adventuresome, but doesn't unsettle me. SH makes me afraid to play without someone around. RE could be any game. It's all a matter of personal preference---what one person finds scary and disturbing is dull to someone else and vice versa. That's why there are so many games---so many different players with different tastes.

I enjoyed RE because i think its fun to hold a shotgun up to a zombie's face and blow it clean off! Thats fun stuff, just not scary or intense. If i had a Gamecube, i'd get RE4. Not because it looks scary, but because it looks like a cool adventure.

also, i love zombies and zombie movies, but i like it when they come out of their graves for no apparent reason at all! Not regular people who have been injected by a virus created by an "evil' corporation. Thats just stupid and un-scary. But like i said, RE is/can be fun.

As far as horror goes, SH is the best depiction of pure horror i have ever seen (in a game). The trailer for SH4 is so freakin' awesome, i can't wait. Just awesome.

I have offically been pissed off by capcom latley after hearing that news on RE4. At first i was really hyped up about the release of RE4, RE has been my favorite game series for a long time (hence my user name, which ive used for about everything online for about 5 years now), and when I heard that they changed the story from something really cool and...well can i say....RE'ish, to something retarted, dare i say....not RE'ish. I am so pissed off of what they did to my favorite game series, this, i believe 99.9% right now, will be the downfall to the RE series, period.

-What theyre doing is taking everything i loved about the RE titles away.... I thought i was playing RE.... not a mixture between evil dead and MGS and lord of the rings.....

i was a hard-core RE fan for a long time, after i played RE2, which i still like a lot. the main thing i liked about that game, though, was the characters themselves, Claire and Leon. mostly Claire, though. and i did like RE3 too, though, because of the Nemesis, which i thought was a totally awesome new enemy, like a super zombie that's a lot more powerful and more scarey than just regular zombies. i didn't care for the main character Jill that much though. but i was extremely disappointed by CVX. i was really hyped because it had Claire again, but i thought the graphics, storyline, and overall gameplay really sucked. ever since then i've been really unhappy with the RE series and all the games that came after 3. now, with that said, ever since i played SH2, this has been my favorite series. even after playing 1 and 3, which i didn't like as much. imo, the screenshots for SH4 look totally awesome. i think some of the people who are saying that RE4's graphics look better so far is because they forget that SH's graphics look grainy and old on purpose, plus they have the extra static effect that you can usually turn off. in a nutshell - SH rules the horror genre. however, not to change the subject, but i do have to mention another upcoming horror game that i'm egerly anticipating - DOOM 3! now i'm and old-skool doomer myself and 3 looks like it will be right up there with SH and RE. now is there any other doomers here or what?

^^ Friend of mine was telling me about Doom 3. I guess he did something bad and was able to play a small bit of it. He told me it's pretty scary for some reason; maybe the music, the monster design, he wasn't sure why he was so freaked.
RE is still ok, but it's really obvious Capcom aimed it at a specific audience. It's "fear" is more like House of the Dead, whereas SH and Fatal Frame seem geared for players who are serious about their fear. I also seem to agree with most of the posters here; I liked RE2 the most.

but i've always loved DOOM, and i'm anticipating D3 to come out just has much as i am SH4, and not only because it's simply more DOOM, but the screenshots that i've seen for it so far look totally bad-ass, even when compared to those from the upcoming SH and RE games that look so awesome.

also, i've heard that D3 is more centered around a single player experience rather than online deathmatching like the old versions always were, which i think is pretty cool, so i think a lot of the people who like SH and/or RE would probably like D3 just as much, even if they never played any of the old DOOM games before.

anyways, to sort of get back to the subject here, i think that D3 is going to be right up there with SH4 and RE4 in terms of quality and the anticipation for it among survival/horror genre fans everywhere is just as high as far as i can tell, so i'm rather surprised that no one else has mentioned it here before.

DOOM is THE original 3D survival/horror game after all which broke the grounds for games like SH and RE to come along. it's like the Metallica of heavy metal in terms of the survival/horror video game genre, IMO. plus it's made by id Software, which is actually an AMERICAN company based in Texas! imagine that! so that's something to consider anyway. lol

DOOM is a FPS. It's no more survival horror than Castle Wolfenstein or some other cheesy adaptation. I can't even believe someone would even try and compare that kind of a game to Resident Evil let alone the deeply psychological Silent Hill.

The point is, SH4 is what we all know and love. It will be Silent Hill. It has disturbing monsters. It'll likely have an interesting plot with some throwbacks to other games. RE4, as of right now, is none of those things. It isn't what we know and love about Resident Evil, it doesn't have a plot or premise that make sense at all, and the creatures aren't creatures.

I'll take any series that doesn't sell out just to appeal to more (and I'd argue simpleton or idiotic) gamers.

Well I just think it looks better,hell it could blow blue balls for all we know,but I think it looks great.AS I saiod before RE needed change,I can handle the control and all that,but I wanted somethhing new.Mabe they need to bring stuff back,but one things for sure.RE is once again mysterious.

RE lost it's glory when the sequels were made. Don't get me wrong, they're fun to play, but they (the sequels) don't even contain a FRACTION of terror/dread that the first one presented to the player. I never once had that feeling of terror when going through the sequels.

The GC remake was awesome, because it re-introduced that feeling. Crimson Heads were awesome.

The reason why I'm completely obsessed with this genre is because it's the only thing that can creep me out. I'm a horror movie fanatic, and aside from the original Texas Chainsaw Massacre and the Night of the Living Dead trilogy, there isn't a horror movie out there that can hit that nerve.

With Silent Hill... each one has given me that feeling almost CONSTANTLY throughout the entire game. RE1 was scary until you got out of the mansion, then it became more of a sci-fi type setting and lost a lot of the dread that you got while exploring a house full of zombies.

That being said, RE has felt a lot of pressure from the SH series and it shows. They were nearly done with RE4 when they decided to just scrap it and start over.

The RE series also kinda screwed themselves by sticking to ONE story line about the evil corporation making a virus, etc etc whereas Silent Hill is very open. For example, SH2 was completely different from SH1. Shared nothing from the first one except that it took place in this town driven by some type of occultish black magic. Silent Hill 4 could be about something entirely new, having nothing at all to do with the first 3 and, as long as it's equally as disturbing, will do just fine.

RE4 won't contain zombies in the sense of the living dead that we think of, but more like possessed humans with quick speed a la the 28 Days Later zombies. It's also very open ended and introduces a new playing style.

In a review I read (in Nintendo Power), they were explaining the demo they played in which the player was holed up in a house with zombies trying to get in. The first team of reviewers played it in a way where they blocked off the windows/doors with furniture only to find out that the "zombies" put up a ladder and were trying to get in from the 2nd floor. So they ran up and knocked the ladder down.

The other team of reviewers played it in a completely different fashion. They found a shotgun, blew a hole through the front door, and ran out guns-a-blazing just mowing the possessed humans down.

Apparently the whole game is like this and is very open eneded. But the story.. not much has been said about it aside from the fact that it will be more terrifying than any survival horror game out. I guess we'll see about that.

As for the "rivalry", I don't see how anyone can play Silent Hill then go back and HONESTLY say that RE is more terrifying. It's not that I'm biased over one than the other, but I play these games for a reason: to get the s**t scared outta me.

Wow I read the whole thing!I agree,even if I like CVX the best.The first,or I should say REmake were more creepy than any of the others combined.The only part RE1 was better than REmake was the labrotory.I liked the "clean" look from the original over the run-down look of REmakes.

SH,minus,SH3,were WAY scarier that any RE games.After playing SH2,I knew what horror was.

Well, I love SH games particularly I'm in love with SH2 but, gameplaywise they are not that great, honestly. I like solving puzzles and all, but when it comes to fighting monsters the controls plain suck, and they are very similar to those found on RE, characters feel heavy and akward, etc.

So, even though I'm very excited about SH4, mostly because the ol' SH2 team is back, I'm really looking forward to RE4 for its new gameplay features, I've been dreaming about this kind of gameplay in horror games, collision detection on limbs and several key parts of the body, etc, the context sensitive button it's a great idea, and can be very satisfying, I like the FPV, though I'm not going to use it to play the game in that way, all in all I think RE4 will be a whole new experience and I probably enjoy it more than SH4, but then again, if SH4 delivers a great story and tight character development both games will be instant classics I think.

Code Veronica was THE worst RE and gave the series a very bad name imo. Like I said, that's why I was overjoyed when they released RE remake and totally picked themselves up from the embarrasment that was Code Veronica.

Hey, RE remake was pretty scary. I'd say it's the scariest one in the series so far. The Crimson Heads were horrifying. Even the Hunters were scary again. Lisa Trevor was the pinnacle of what scary is all about. That was beautifully done. RE remake is a masterpiece. With that in mind, I'm still not upset about the turn the series is making. The psychotic villagers will be scary because of how aggressive they are.

"The double headed girl-thing that walks on it's hands in RE4 looks really stupid to me. Maybe I'll have to wait to play the game."

excuse me, toosmartforbond2, but i wasn't even trying to compare DOOM with any RE or SH title! that would be silly, of course, as the game is almost 10 years old! i was talking about DOOM 3, the upcoming version, which is NOT going to be just any old FPS! but if you had actually read my post, of course, which apparently you didn't do, then you would know that, because i specifically mentioned it.

guess what? It has disturbing monsters. It'll likely have an interesting plot with some throwbacks to other games. sound familiar? lol

i also highly recommend checking out some of the screenshots that are out for the game! i think maybe then you'll have a change in your rather snotty attitude about it.

Well I dont know what games you guys have been playing because I thought the Silent Hill games had bad control, I dont like how you move. I like SH alot but, they just get dull and boring after awhile. Resident evil is more fast paced, and I thought the story was a little easier to follow. I think both these games look incredibly amazing. I've played all the Silent Hill games and so far the only one that was actually good was SH 1 but I havent gotten that far because I got bored. SH 3 was a disgrace, the fact that I beat it was pathetic because I suck at SH games.

^^ this is a perfect example of an RE fanboy. I'm not pointing fingers, but anyone who has the attention span of a 5 year old will never quite get the masterpices that are Silent Hill. Sir, did you know that you actually CHANGE the controls in SH? and besides, the 2d control in SH is the control scheme for RE. After playing SH, i found that RE isn't scary in the least bit.

"Code Veronica was THE worst RE and gave the series a very bad name imo. Like I said, that's why I was overjoyed when they released RE remake and totally picked themselves up from the embarrasment that was Code Veronica."

Well damn J-rocker,excuse me for having a fu**in opinion.

Anyways,SH1 doesn't have 2-D control.Still besides SH1(I use 3-D,but SH1 was real hard to control at times),but SH2/3 have way better control IMO,RE games do have better action,I can agree.I think the hunters are great.

^^.....WHAT!!!!! That's the problem with some people, like Gooble said it's like they have attention deficit syndrome. I think what's happening here is that people mistake the RE stories for horror games just because there are monsters in it. They are not. They are just action games. While I do like them they are not even in the same class that the SH games are. The RE games rely on cheap jump scares while the SH games are actually able to create a feeling of dread constantly. You have to immerse yourself in the experience when you play them. I mean, why are they packing pistols walking into Raccoon City in a MINI-SKIRT? Obviously, they're not afraid either. That's like how Lara Croft was wearing that snow jacket with her shorts on. At least Heather from SH3 was just planning on going to the mall. I'm not trying to flame anyone here, but you have to know the game first. And I didn't find the controls much different from RE. If it's because the characters are awkward with weapons that's because Konami did that on purpose, to show these were just ordinary people and not super trained military personnel. And one more thing, if you think the SH games suck so bad then WHY ARE YOU ON THIS BOARD?

Why the hell are you pointing at my post,I post here more than anyone on this board.I bet I'm a bigger SH fan than you(I have the biggest post count on silenthillheaven boards,I'm Chris Sunderland).All I was saying is I think RE has better put together action,I never said it was better.I like SH2 and SH1 much better than any RE game.

LOL No no no, Animosity, not you! I meant to point at S.T.A.R.S-Zero! Sorry about that, that dude's post bothered me, as you can see. I didn't even remember putting those ^marks there. At least now I see how you got the name "animosity".

hey i just wanna know why everyone is basching Code V. granted its not the best in the series but it still has some nice merits. not that scary but serves well as an action game and makes a nice sequal to everyones fav RE2. plus none of the console REs are worse the zero. what was the point of that anyway?

This is the most irrelevant debate amongst threads in other Silent Hill forums.
Which I've also noticed something.
Most Resident Evil fans in their home forums will be quick to knock our game (Silent Hill) but yet..they won't give it up to the series for truly showing what survival horror could be with an actual good story.
In the days of crusty graphics..I saw two games that truly grabbed my senses in terms of survival horror.
Resident Evil 1 and Silent Hill 1.
I hate the fact that some people like to say that Konami created a "Resident Evil clone".
Excuse me..but my opinion is Resident Evil seems more like a movie..as Silent Hill to me is like playing through a novel.
If true Resident Evil fanboys should be pissed off at anything it should be the horrible movie you guys got which came out in 2002.
Hopefully,Konami knows better and learned from Capcoms mistake as well as Nintendo's mistake.

I thought the RE movie was passable---not the worst movie I've ever seen, but certainly nowhere near the best. What's really sad is. . . my husband and I went to see it for our 2nd anniversary. Dinner and a movie. And RE is what we chose.

i didn't read every message cause that would take too much time so if i repeat anything just ignore it. i realy on SH games to get the blood flowing and give me a scare but i have always been one to like a story line that is really good. which is prolly wh i like the RE games a bit better. though now i think with 4 they are gonna lose it. it just doesn't seem like it will be as good as the others. what i do like though is that in each RE you have a differant place that you are at. keeps things a bit more interesting. now i havn't played alot of SH but from what i know its all in the same place so how can you really have anything all that new. now creature wise i deff like SH4 better cause even though there are no zombies in RE4 or giant mutated bugs/worms/snakes just a big troll thing. its kinda the same which is kinda getting boring. so for the RE4 between SH4 i would have to say SH but i dont know if i will be able to play it cause im a wimp and from some vids ive seen it looks really freaky