If this is your first visit, be sure to
check out the FAQ by clicking the
link above. You may have to register
before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages,
select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.

Yeah HexaTyphlosion, I’ve seen those cave tiles before. It makes me think that they were planning on having something more in a cave (a city perhaps?). And if people believe that the beta Goldenrod isn’t real, think again. I’ve entered the offsets into my version of Goldmap and it shows up perfectly. Guys, honestly, stop looking for made-up stuff: you’re not going to find it here because I won’t allow it.

I have a theory that the Pokémon world and the Mother world are one in the same. I won't go into spoilers for Mother 3, but think of Black and White's story of the dragon and the twins. Also, chimeras are kind of like Pokémon.

I don’t have the event offsets for any of the beta maps, unfortunately. I would especially like to find the offsets for the caves so I might have some idea as to where they were intended to go. Then again, there might not be any events programmed for the beta maps, like the beta Safari Zone (see Safari Zone map thread).
Wish I knew more.

That's possible, actually. If it is Seafoam, then I'd check Cinnabar if I were you, for people who have the program. So can you have a check to see if Cinnabar's still there? And I'd check the routes around Cinnabar, I'd check Pallet, I'd check Viridian, and I'd check fuschia. Sorry for the overdo, but they are linked to the Islands and Cinnabar (Pallet and Fuschia are close, Viridian's leader visits Cinnabar).

Used to be Absolkid, -Absol-, Former Absolkid and Cipher Admin Absolkid!

Good find! Those caves look from the very very early stages of production. The second has something like a hole with water, I don't know why but it makes me think it's seafoam. Something that would be good to find is Cinnabar...

Very interesting thoughts. I would like to look further for the maps but my hex editor/viewer stopped working yesterday. I need to find a proper replacement: if anyone knows of a good hex viewer, please pm me.

Maybe you should look for...
-a basement to Celadon Dept. Store.
-a more complete MT.Moon.
- Anything that was from Kanto in RBY that has changed drasticlly. What about above the waterfall in Mt.Silver?
- Tohjo falls. I dunno why...

I was able to find a new hex viewer: a freeware program called xvi32. I highly recommend it and it is free.
I will begin looking for more maps again. The actual searching has taken some time to get used to. The maps are based on the tileset values and the tileset values are based on the tile values, which can get a little complicated.
I will update again as soon as I find something interesting.

As you can see, the tileset is quite a bit different than the regular Ecruteak City tileset. In other words, no there weren’t any whirlpools planned for Ecruteak. Below is my idea of what the correct tileset would look like.

Waffles: I use a hex viewer to find the maps and tilesets and then use Goldmap to view the maps as image files. How I find the maps with the hex viewer is a little more complicated than that, and I consider it to be too difficult to try and explain on the forum. The technique I use is also somewhat of a trade secret, but I wouldn’t mind explaining it in a lengthy email.

It seems that the “Beta town” that I posted previously was not Cherrygrove. Good guesses, though. The TR hideout is quite interesting, and I have no guesses of my own as to where it was intended to go. Suggestions?

Beta Cherrygrove isn't that different but it doesn't have the lake to the guy who gives mystic water. And I think TR Beta map was a lower floor of Lake of Rage Hideout. Did you "idealize" them or did you find them like that?? Anyways good finds as always Gulzar! Thanks!

Programming wise, it was located near the Burned Tower map, so I think it may have been a beta Burned Tower map. It may have been where the Legendary Dogs were supposed to be. Also, you can see that there is a grassy area in the cave. So far this is the most complete looking cave map I have found that has a grass area included in it.
Phreack: Beta Cherrygrove and Beta TR hideout were not idealized (they use regular tilesets). For future reference, I will always provide an un-idealized copy if there is one.