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Re: Ron's reality
February 05, 2012 12:10PM Registered: 5 years ago
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I did full details, etc from 1956 until now! (not so much now, for a 68 I have other things I like to do in addition to details)
One does that when they started doing bodywork, build customs, auto painting, etc as a young man.
Also worked in High School for not only some bodyshops, but Great Lakes Boat Company, where I did fiberglas repair and detailed trade-in's
While living in Central Illinois and working for a major consumer product company, started racing SCCA, and set up a private side business of detailing, paint touch up, etc to aid in paying for the racing-did aprox 3 to 5 cars a week for 5 years.=1,000 cars easily.
When I lived in the KC area, had a small, side business of detailing/touch body work. Did this to support my new hobby of campaigning in the AMA mx series, where I carried a national number, plus was still building my personal cars. This was an "on and off" sort of busines of detailing, not a regular, but would put the number of vehicles, boats, etc in a period of 1972 to 1986 at no less than 250 a year=3,500 vehicles/boats.
Number of car details in the my life time, done personally by me, since 1956? Would have to guess, but in the upper thousands.
Number of vehicles I supervised as an owner or manager, detailed, would be in the upper 10's of thousands of vehicles.
At Automotive International there is a subsidary business to the ValuGard Products, it is ValuGard Auto Processing, where dealers throughout Cincinnati either bring or have the auto transports drop off new vehicles for predelivery of the them or they bring their used vehicles for cosmetic reconditioning, plus private individuals have their vehicles detailed-the facility does varying volume of vehicles per year, however on average of 1,000 per month, and has done so for since the late 80's. I was the Vice President of Operations of that unit and was well known for jumping in and getting my hands dirty, teaching, mentoring, all that a good manager does.
Being that while at Automotive International I had my own facility for testing and training, would often take friends and their vehicles to it on a weekend and we would detail their personal vehicle, for free, just good to keep one's hand's on skills up to snuff and I enjoyed it as well.
When at Finish Kare, two of my personal clients were Ford and Chrysler's new vehicle prep centers, three Ford, one Chrysler, plus all the imports port processors. FK was a main chemical supplier to these operations.
While the new car prep centers main focus was new car prep, they also did the reconditioning of thousands of used vehicles which came off lease, buybacks, etc.
I would often work hands on, side by side with their personel to resolve concerns of some vehicles, develope new products to meet special needs,
etc.
How many vehicles did I personally "touch/work on"?
That is very difficult to put a number to, however can say that the Ford facility in Mira Loma ran two shifts a day, 5 days a week on average and each shift put out in excess of 350 vehicles per shift+700 vehicles a day+3,500 per week.
Those numbers do not include work I personally performed at Mazda's, Nissan's, Volvo's, Jaquar's, Toyota's, Honda's,Hyundai's, and other's port processors or their dealerships where they would send me in to resolve issues that the dealer's prep people may have been experiencing.
As far as boats? FK has a marine line, a frp line as well, and the frp line was used in manufacturing plants for fiberglas boats such as SeaRay, Egg Harbor, Four Winns, Cobalt, Ranger, and many others. This often required my going to the plants to train employees on tooling mold prep, application of release products, correction of mold marks in the parts, etc. Did this in addition to my automotive product duties.
FK's marine line is Big White, which I did have responsibility for, and my main clients were West Marine and it's stores, USBoat and their stores.
As a result, would often be taken into the field by store personel to work with boat detailers to resolve concerns they may be having.
In short, I have done every kind and size of boat from 10 foot aluminum john boats to 110 ft Vikings.
How do I put a number of vehicles. boats, motorcycles, big rigs, etc that is any where accurate on paper, after close to 56 years of detailing?
Would have guess I have detailed or as we pro's refer to it "touched" in excess of 100,000 vehicles, personally.
Does that answer your questions, Bill?
My Response:
1. I did full details, etc from 1956 until now! (not so much now, for a 68 I have other things I like to do in addition to details)One does that when they started doing bodywork, build customs, auto painting, etc as a young man.
Also's worked in High School for not only some bodyshops, but Great Lakes Boat Company, where I did fiberglas repair and detailed trade-in
,
First, he claims he has done full details form 1956 to now, but then says not that much now. What does doing bodywork, build customs, and auto painting have to do with detailing? Also he mentions doing fiberglass repair along with cleaning up boats.
2. When I lived in the KC area, had a small, side business of detailing/touch body work. Did this to support my new hobby of campaigning in the AMA mx series, where I carried a national number, plus was still building my personal cars. This was an "on and off" sort of busines of detailing, not a regular, but would put the number of vehicles, boats, etc in a period of 1972 to 1986 at no less than 250 a year=3,500 vehicles/boats.
Really have no clue what he means here,but from what I can see he was a driver doing some on and off business in detailing.
3.At Automotive International there is a subsidary business to the ValuGard Products, it is ValuGard Auto Processing, where dealers throughout Cincinnati either bring or have the auto transports drop off new vehicles for predelivery of the them or they bring their used vehicles for cosmetic reconditioning, plus private individuals have their vehicles detailed-the facility does varying volume of vehicles per year, however on average of 1,000 per month, and has done so for since the late 80's. I was the Vice President of Operations of that unit and was well known for jumping in and getting my hands dirty, teaching, mentoring, all that a good manager does.
Being that while at Automotive International I had my own facility for testing and training, would often take friends and their vehicles to it on a weekend and we would detail their personal vehicle, for free, just good to keep one's hand's on skills up to snuff and I enjoyed it as well.
So what is this about? He ran a shop that cleaned up new cars, and did reconditioning(CORRECTION) on used ones.
4.When at Finish Kare, two of my personal clients were Ford and Chrysler's new vehicle prep centers, three Ford, one Chrysler, plus all the imports port processors. FK was a main chemical supplier to these operations.
While the new car prep centers main focus was new car prep, they also did the reconditioning of thousands of used vehicles which came off lease, buybacks, etc.
I would often work hands on, side by side with their personel to resolve concerns of some vehicles, develope new products to meet special needs,
etc.
How many vehicles did I personally "touch/work on"?
That is very difficult to put a number to, however can say that the Ford facility in Mira Loma ran two shifts a day, 5 days a week on average and each shift put out in excess of 350 vehicles per shift+700 vehicles a day+3,500 per week.
Those numbers do not include work I personally performed at Mazda's, Nissan's, Volvo's, Jaquar's, Toyota's, Honda's,Hyundai's, and other's port processors or their dealerships where they would send me in to resolve issues that the dealer's prep people may have been experiencing.
Once again, he sold correction supplies to dealerships in the 80's. Big deal. Clearly, he had no products or solutions to swirl marks/
5.How many vehicles did I personally "touch/work on"?
That is very difficult to put a number to, however can say that the Ford facility in Mira Loma ran two shifts a day, 5 days a week on average and each shift put out in excess of 350 vehicles per shift+700 vehicles a day+3,500 per week.
Those numbers do not include work I personally performed at Mazda's, Nissan's, Volvo's, Jaquar's, Toyota's, Honda's,Hyundai's, and other's port processors or their dealerships where they would send me in to resolve issues that the dealer's prep people may have been experiencing.
Well, this shows nothing. He was responsible for resolving problems with the products his company sold. It seems he had alot of problems considering what he said here.
READING THIS POST SHOWS ME THAT RON'S ONLY EXPERIENCE IS WITH WAXES AND POLYSEALANTS.
AS A RESULT,HE IS EXPERINCED IN CORRECTION TECHNIQUES TO REMOVE SWIRL MARKS. CAN YOU NOW CAN SEE THAT IS HIS ONLY EXPERIENCE CENTERS AROUND THAT ONLY.
IF YOU WANT TO USE WAX AND POLY SEALANTS THAN RON IS YOUR MAN. HE HAS TONS OF EXPERIENCE
COVERING UP SWIRL MARKS AND FLAWS CAUSED BY THEM. THAT IS WHY HE DOES NOT HAVE A CLUE WHAT I AM SAYING ON HOW TO PREVENT THEM.
I AM JUST A DETAILER EXPLAINING WHAT I HAVE LEARNED. IF AT-5 DID NOT WORK THEN I WOULD KICK IT TO THE CURB IN A HEART BEAT. I DO FULL DETAILS TO THIS DAY, AND NOT PAID BY ANYONE TO PUSH OUT DATED PRODUCTS AND METHODS FOR A PAYCHECK, OR LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO DO.http://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44172#msg-44172
Mon, 21 Jan 2019 23:04:09 +0000Phorum 5.2.16http://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44387#msg-44387Re: RON'S REAL EXPERIENCEhttp://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44387#msg-44387
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> Pro-Techt Wrote:
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> The solution to swirl marks is to not create them
> > in the 1st place. On cars I've corrected and
> > maintained, swirls don't come back. They're
> 100% gone from the finish.
>
>
> You have mentioned before you go back several
> times a year doing minor correction. I can find
> the quote if needed!
> At least I have used one product that I believe
> in

Read again what I said.........
On cars I've maintained meaning washed.

All the cars I go back to do light corrections on are the ones that I don't "maintain"
.]]>Pro-TechtAuto Detailing: Secrets of the ExpertsMon, 10 Sep 2012 03:33:12 +0000http://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44385#msg-44385Re: RON'S REAL EXPERIENCEhttp://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44385#msg-44385
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> Let's look back.
> When the metal jacketed GEM orbital came on the
> market, really a move forward for the carwash
> detailers.
> It could apply and remove the polish and then the
> wax, without the carwash owner having to pay for
> their untrained people to use it.
> Then came the two guys from Orange County,
> California, who owned and operated several carwash
> and detailing operations, and they "re-created "
> the machine, but in a state of the art at the
> time, plastic housing and much more user
> friendly.
> At the time, a few decades ago, what a leap
> forward!
> Since they spent the time and money, to move it
> forward and most important, it was able to obtain
> a UL safety rating, which the GEM unit could not
> obtain.(as far as I am aware, GEM still does not
> have a UL approval, but that may have changed)
> That meant that the large purchasers, due to
> insurance costs, moved over to the WaxMaster
> unit.
> Later, the guys sold off the patents and such to
> Chamberlin, which then really marketed it. They
> private labeled it for large consumer companies
> such as Craftsman, etc.
> Technology moves everything forward, from
> equipment to the chemicals, and most companies
> have taken that path.
> Today, even Sears has backed off of big dollar
> promotion of the orbital buffer that they used to
> sell tons of, (anyone recall the "Father's Day
> Bucket Promo"of the orbital and some towels and
> polish/wax) the chain auto parts stores no longer
> keep a dozen on the shelf, they have moved on,
> even Harbor Frieght is finding it necessary to
> offer up their unit at "sale" pricing every month
> or so. Why, simple the world has moved on, and
> time for all to move on and get with what is the
> newer technology, be it machines or products.
> They constantly seek out new chemical compounds,
> formulas, manufactuering processes, packaging,
> etc.
> GEM has not demonstrated such actions.
> Guess the owner is just standing pat and made his
> money, now like some other products on the market,
> living off what little marketing life is left and
> then walk away with the money in their pockets.
> When is the last time anyone reading this has seen
> any sort of marketing to any market, by GEM?
> Why is it that the products they market are not at
> least sold by the low ball price marketers on the
> net, etc.
> I am not including such as EBay, etc, but true,
> modern marketing.
> The company I retired from does not market
> directly on EBay or other sites, as that is not
> what their target market is, never has been.
> The old company produces and sells more product,
> every month to Ford, GM, Chrysler, etc under
> private label, than most would ever believe.
> I used to tell some folks that our plant spilled
> more in a week while filling containers than most
> sold in a year, and that is still true.
> The companies such as Mother's, Mequiars,
> Dura-Gloss, Lucas, etc, etc are mass marketing
> focused and have done very well by chosing that as
> their market and I know most of the people in
> these organizations and have had some good, over
> drinks, conversations regarding marketing
> directions, costs, etc. Very enlighting
> conversations.
> It is not rocket science to produce a formula of a
> product that is as good or better than most are
> aware of.
> What is difficult is to define/find a market for
> such products and produce and sell it at a
> reasonable profit.
> What the end marketer chooses to sell it at, is
> not the concern of the supplier of the product.
> Which is why one can find a Tommy Hillfinger shirt
> for $100 but if they know how to read some numbers
> on the tag, can by the same shirt for $20 with a
> lesser know label on it, made by the same supplier
> in the same country, etc.
> Same shirt, but ego's come into play.
> This is a short "education" regarding what we all
> have available to purchase, there are some quality
> products, there are some not so good and then
> there is "junk", but it up to the end purchaser to
> make a decision based upon what fulfills their
> wants, needs and desires.]]>detailerAuto Detailing: Secrets of the ExpertsMon, 10 Sep 2012 03:12:26 +0000http://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44384#msg-44384Re: RON'S REAL EXPERIENCEhttp://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44384#msg-44384
I actually called and spoke to GEM's owner a little while back. Oh boy, was that an interesting and scary conversation. He's about as clueless as ole Hack man himself. Like talking to his conjoined twin. Like buffers are bad, blah, blah, blah, blah. AT-5 is a miracle product, blah, blah, blah, blah. I asked him for a sample and he said no. No that's a company that believes in their product?? And that's when he told me about Bill and how he used to sell AT-5 for him, but stopped their business relationship. Seems like with all this AT-5 pushing he does, he should be letting him back in for a 2nd chance? Guess not huh?]]>Pro-TechtAuto Detailing: Secrets of the ExpertsMon, 10 Sep 2012 02:54:46 +0000http://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44383#msg-44383Re: RON'S REAL EXPERIENCEhttp://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44383#msg-44383
I do not wish to respond to your 3rd grade insults any longer. Real pros would offer something beyond what you are posting.]]>detailerAuto Detailing: Secrets of the ExpertsMon, 10 Sep 2012 02:54:16 +0000http://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44382#msg-44382Re: RON'S REAL EXPERIENCEhttp://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44382#msg-44382
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> The solution to swirl marks is to not create them
> in the 1st place. On cars I've corrected and
> maintained, swirls don't come back. They're 100%
> gone from the finish. I'd feel like a failure and
> a cheat to consider myself a "detailer" if I
> posted videos like yours with swirled up cars
> claiming how wonderful your AT-5 is. You're no
> different then all the other Florida hacks driving
> around overselling their all mightly miracle
> sealer. How ironic that GEM is located in FL where
> they can be the leader of the blind.

David

The solution to swirl marks is to not create them
> in the 1st place. On cars I've corrected and
> maintained, swirls don't come back. They're 100%
> gone from the finish.

You have mentioned before you go back several times a year doing minor correction. I can find the quote if needed!
At least I have used one product that I believe in.]]>detailerAuto Detailing: Secrets of the ExpertsMon, 10 Sep 2012 02:49:14 +0000http://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44381#msg-44381Re: RON'S REAL EXPERIENCEhttp://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44381#msg-44381
When the metal jacketed GEM orbital came on the market, really a move forward for the carwash detailers.
It could apply and remove the polish and then the wax, without the carwash owner having to pay for their untrained people to use it.
Then came the two guys from Orange County, California, who owned and operated several carwash and detailing operations, and they "re-created " the machine, but in a state of the art at the time, plastic housing and much more user friendly.
At the time, a few decades ago, what a leap forward!
Since they spent the time and money, to move it forward and most important, it was able to obtain a UL safety rating, which the GEM unit could not obtain.(as far as I am aware, GEM still does not have a UL approval, but that may have changed)
That meant that the large purchasers, due to insurance costs, moved over to the WaxMaster unit.
Later, the guys sold off the patents and such to Chamberlin, which then really marketed it. They private labeled it for large consumer companies such as Craftsman, etc.
Technology moves everything forward, from equipment to the chemicals, and most companies have taken that path.
Today, even Sears has backed off of big dollar promotion of the orbital buffer that they used to sell tons of, (anyone recall the "Father's Day Bucket Promo"of the orbital and some towels and polish/wax) the chain auto parts stores no longer keep a dozen on the shelf, they have moved on, even Harbor Frieght is finding it necessary to offer up their unit at "sale" pricing every month or so. Why, simple the world has moved on, and time for all to move on and get with what is the newer technology, be it machines or products.
They constantly seek out new chemical compounds, formulas, manufactuering processes, packaging, etc.
GEM has not demonstrated such actions.
Guess the owner is just standing pat and made his money, now like some other products on the market, living off what little marketing life is left and then walk away with the money in their pockets.
When is the last time anyone reading this has seen any sort of marketing to any market, by GEM?
Why is it that the products they market are not at least sold by the low ball price marketers on the net, etc.
I am not including such as EBay, etc, but true, modern marketing.
The company I retired from does not market directly on EBay or other sites, as that is not what their target market is, never has been.
The old company produces and sells more product, every month to Ford, GM, Chrysler, etc under private label, than most would ever believe.
I used to tell some folks that our plant spilled more in a week while filling containers than most sold in a year, and that is still true.
The companies such as Mother's, Mequiars, Dura-Gloss, Lucas, etc, etc are mass marketing focused and have done very well by chosing that as their market and I know most of the people in these organizations and have had some good, over drinks, conversations regarding marketing directions, costs, etc. Very enlighting conversations.
It is not rocket science to produce a formula of a product that is as good or better than most are aware of.
What is difficult is to define/find a market for such products and produce and sell it at a reasonable profit.
What the end marketer chooses to sell it at, is not the concern of the supplier of the product.
Which is why one can find a Tommy Hillfinger shirt for $100 but if they know how to read some numbers on the tag, can by the same shirt for $20 with a lesser know label on it, made by the same supplier in the same country, etc.
Same shirt, but ego's come into play.
This is a short "education" regarding what we all have available to purchase, there are some quality products, there are some not so good and then there is "junk", but it up to the end purchaser to make a decision based upon what fulfills their wants, needs and desires.]]>Ketch22Auto Detailing: Secrets of the ExpertsMon, 10 Sep 2012 02:39:14 +0000http://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44380#msg-44380Re: RON'S REAL EXPERIENCEhttp://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44380#msg-44380
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/09/2012 10:34PM by detailer.]]>Pro-TechtAuto Detailing: Secrets of the ExpertsMon, 10 Sep 2012 02:35:59 +0000http://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44379#msg-44379Re: RON'S REAL EXPERIENCEhttp://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44379#msg-44379
Pro-TechtAuto Detailing: Secrets of the ExpertsMon, 10 Sep 2012 02:34:56 +0000http://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44378#msg-44378Re: RON'S REAL EXPERIENCEhttp://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44378#msg-44378
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> Your arrogance and ignorance is so thick you can
> cut it with a knife. Keep on thinking everyone is
> wrong and you are right. There's a medical
> condition associated with this you know.
>
> The only good you serve is 2-fold actually:
>
> 1- a good pin cushion for amusement
> 2- job security for real detailers

David

You are like a record with a message that has no solution to swirl marks. You ramble on with insults as your only defense.

Remember this statement:

I think you have alot of decent things to contribute and also aren't afraid of voicing them.

Welcome to the 21st century! You are really showing not only your age, but your intelligence level with comments like that.

When is the last time you actually polished a car? What is the last polish or "poli-sealant" you've tested? Do you even know how to use a high powered buffer? Or are you brainwashed by GEM into thinking their slow assss buffer is all you need?]]>Pro-TechtAuto Detailing: Secrets of the ExpertsMon, 10 Sep 2012 02:11:11 +0000http://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44375#msg-44375Re: RON'S REAL EXPERIENCEhttp://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44375#msg-44375
I did test it, my people tested it, and it is not a bad product, as I stated in the thread you chose to ignore.
So, why do you HACKER, chose to ignore that information, which you can do with your "post of past threads" for all to see?]]>Ketch22Auto Detailing: Secrets of the ExpertsMon, 10 Sep 2012 02:10:25 +0000http://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44374#msg-44374Re: RON'S REAL EXPERIENCEhttp://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44374#msg-44374
Now, next time use a bigger hammer, as the HACKER has such a thick head that an air gun nailer may be needed.]]>Ketch22Auto Detailing: Secrets of the ExpertsMon, 10 Sep 2012 02:07:42 +0000http://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44373#msg-44373Re: RON'S REAL EXPERIENCEhttp://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44373#msg-44373
Ketch22Auto Detailing: Secrets of the ExpertsMon, 10 Sep 2012 02:05:51 +0000http://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44372#msg-44372Re: RON'S REAL EXPERIENCEhttp://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44372#msg-44372
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> "Not dumb", oh, I think it may just be so.
> How many years, how many forums, how many times
> have true, experienced, with documented
> backgrounds in the profession, threw up a
> challenge for him to present something real and
> documented that he has done, but yet, he just goes
> back to the YouTube video's, a very few friends
> quoted responses, but do a search, nothing of
> reality, nothing of such that supports his "wild
> claims", etc.
> Look at his profile, and just how long this new
> name he works under has been up.
> ??? How many names has he had to use to get back
> on this forum.
> Paul is very tolerant of those who mess up and
> wish to come back, just surprised that he let
> HACKER on again.

Ron

You do not have a clue what a hacker is. There are no wild claims here by me. YOU HAVE NOT TRIED AT-5, SO SHUT UP PLEASE. Grow up, and except what you are. You sold products that are no different than all the other products.Bud's products , or Mequiar's , they are all the same. Wax is Wax . Polish is polish.

This post has zero logic to it. You continue to post here with the rambling of a GRUMPY old man who interjects on a subject he knows nothing about. You complain about my videos, but what the hell have you posted , but your job resume.

Listen to this quote:

Quote: Bud
I know nothing about Ketch's chemicals, I only know the man and if his company's chemicals are anything like him then detailers cannot go wrong using his chemicals.

Quote:Bud
It is clear that Ketch's company has one of the finest lines of chemicals in the industry and yet they get only a token amount of business from detailers on this forum.

This is what you consider logic? Really? You cannot see the contradiction here? Because Bud says you are a nice guy
that implies the your old company had one finest lines besides Bud's of course.]]>detailerAuto Detailing: Secrets of the ExpertsMon, 10 Sep 2012 02:00:29 +0000http://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44371#msg-44371Re: RON'S REAL EXPERIENCEhttp://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44371#msg-44371
The only good you serve is 2-fold actually:

1- a good pin cushion for amusement
2- job security for real detailers]]>Pro-TechtAuto Detailing: Secrets of the ExpertsMon, 10 Sep 2012 01:51:29 +0000http://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44370#msg-44370Re: RON'S REAL EXPERIENCEhttp://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44370#msg-44370
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> And that's probably why he's so bitter. He can't
> mix into the real world and post on these forums
> so he comes here to take out his frustrations. You
> gotta wonder why all his threads are only about
> attackes on us, or quotes from other forums where
> he isn't allowed on. If he were, then why isn't he
> there to confront these posters with this
> rediculousness? Answer: He'd be banned with
> lightning speed. He's obviously not that dumb to
> know this. LOL

David

What you have said here makes about as much sense as putting a screen door on a submarine. You and Ron are the bitter ones. Your posts are just wining about what you think you know about detailing. You asked me to come on your forum, but all your members are so brain washed with the newest wax to come out, or looking for for newest products to cover up swirl marks.]]>detailerAuto Detailing: Secrets of the ExpertsMon, 10 Sep 2012 01:40:02 +0000http://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44369#msg-44369Re: RON'S REAL EXPERIENCEhttp://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44369#msg-44369
How many years, how many forums, how many times have true, experienced, with documented backgrounds in the profession, threw up a challenge for him to present something real and documented that he has done, but yet, he just goes back to the YouTube video's, a very few friends quoted responses, but do a search, nothing of reality, nothing of such that supports his "wild claims", etc.
Look at his profile, and just how long this new name he works under has been up.
??? How many names has he had to use to get back on this forum.
Paul is very tolerant of those who mess up and wish to come back, just surprised that he let HACKER on again.]]>Ketch22Auto Detailing: Secrets of the ExpertsMon, 10 Sep 2012 01:31:32 +0000http://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44368#msg-44368Re: RON'S REAL EXPERIENCEhttp://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44368#msg-44368
Pro-TechtAuto Detailing: Secrets of the ExpertsMon, 10 Sep 2012 00:58:19 +0000http://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44367#msg-44367Re: RON'S REAL EXPERIENCEhttp://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44367#msg-44367
Not good for Paul or the forum, in my opinion.]]>Ketch22Auto Detailing: Secrets of the ExpertsMon, 10 Sep 2012 00:49:07 +0000http://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44366#msg-44366Re: RON'S REAL EXPERIENCEhttp://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44366#msg-44366
Pro-TechtAuto Detailing: Secrets of the ExpertsMon, 10 Sep 2012 00:35:57 +0000http://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44365#msg-44365Re: RON'S REAL EXPERIENCEhttp://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44365#msg-44365
He has been banned from almost all of the serious car care/detailing forums that I am aware of .
Folks, when reading Buffer Bill/HACK's, post, just consider this simple fact.
He is not welcome, with his manners and methods of "ranting", on the majority of leading detailing forums on the net.
This new name for him, "HACK" really does fit.]]>Ketch22Auto Detailing: Secrets of the ExpertsMon, 10 Sep 2012 00:22:05 +0000http://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44364#msg-44364Re: RON'S REAL EXPERIENCEhttp://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44364#msg-44364
TROLL
SHILL
SPAMMER
>
(and most importantly)
>
>
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BANNED!!!!! :)]]>Pro-TechtAuto Detailing: Secrets of the ExpertsMon, 10 Sep 2012 00:17:51 +0000http://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44363#msg-44363Re: RON'S REAL EXPERIENCEhttp://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44363#msg-44363
It is "HACK", for what he has demonstrated in his abilities, in his background, his manner of posting of experiences, his showing of his inabilties to learn and move forward with the changes in paint, interior fabric's, trim, exterior trim, etc, in his limited choices of product usage, etc---it must be

"HACK"!

Hack is what I will now use to address this person, it fits.]]>Ketch22Auto Detailing: Secrets of the ExpertsSun, 09 Sep 2012 23:53:26 +0000http://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44362#msg-44362Re: RON'S REAL EXPERIENCEhttp://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44362#msg-44362
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> HACK

Is that your response or what you want Paul to change your screen name to?]]>Pro-TechtAuto Detailing: Secrets of the ExpertsSun, 09 Sep 2012 20:31:42 +0000http://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44361#msg-44361Re: RON'S REAL EXPERIENCEhttp://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44361#msg-44361
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> Bill - You have no business being such a pathetic
> little tyrant trying to discredit Ron's
> experience. All the threads you start are the same
> way....attacking someone else's opinion from
> forums you wish you could go on by twisting
> reality with the same old crap you spew.
>
> I'd love for you to go into detail about your
> decades of detailing experience and your list of
> accomplishments in the industry?
>
> You're sitting on your self assummed throne
> thinking you have the answers to everything just
> because you've sealed a couple planes and do wash
> & seals on swirled up cars. This, is a spec of
> sand on Ron's beach of accomplishments and
> knowledge. I'd be wiling to bet Ron has forgotten
> more in a week about detailing then you've learned
> in all your decades.
>
> I don't see how what you do or have done makes you
> competant enough to even call or consider yourself
> a "Detailer"???? You are the cream of the crop of
> the bottom of the barrel of what Florida is
> plagued with and that is kicking you up a few
> notches actually.

HACK]]>detailerAuto Detailing: Secrets of the ExpertsSun, 09 Sep 2012 19:27:26 +0000http://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44360#msg-44360Re: RON'S REAL EXPERIENCEhttp://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44360#msg-44360
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> Buffer Bill not only attacks me, but you and Bud.
> Bud, who has decades of all areas of experience in
> the detailing industry, does not need Bill's sort
> of ranting attacks, especially if all who follow
> on this forum, know anything about Bud.
> He built a detailing supply business, which is
> still operatoring, and well respected "all around
> the world", he built and operated a full service
> carwash, several detailing centers, created a
> respected training program for detailers, served
> on the boards of many of the car wash and
> detailing organization in this country, has been a
> leader in the promotion of the creation of
> standards for detailing operations and procedures,
> is constantly traveling all over the world, on a
> regular basis to set up detailing and car wash
> business for business people, at their expense,
> not his.
> He is a true, respected legend in the industry,
> yet, Buffer Bill questions Bud's abiliites, etc?
> Bud and I were competitors, but we respected each
> other and our abilities, we worked together on
> many boards, led seminars at ICA's national trade
> show and convention, etc, I respected him then and
> I still do.
> Folks, if you are reading this, check out via the
> many ways of the internet, who Bud is, and then
> consider what Buffer Bill is saying, who is
> questioning and attacking.
> Just some logical thoughts for all.

You two should get married]]>detailerAuto Detailing: Secrets of the ExpertsSun, 09 Sep 2012 19:21:47 +0000http://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44359#msg-44359Re: RON'S REAL EXPERIENCEhttp://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44359#msg-44359
Bud, who has decades of all areas of experience in the detailing industry, does not need Bill's sort of ranting attacks, especially if all who follow on this forum, know anything about Bud.
He built a detailing supply business, which is still operatoring, and well respected "all around the world", he built and operated a full service carwash, several detailing centers, created a respected training program for detailers, served on the boards of many of the car wash and detailing organization in this country, has been a leader in the promotion of the creation of standards for detailing operations and procedures, is constantly traveling all over the world, on a regular basis to set up detailing and car wash business for business people, at their expense, not his.
He is a true, respected legend in the industry, yet, Buffer Bill questions Bud's abiliites, etc?
Bud and I were competitors, but we respected each other and our abilities, we worked together on many boards, led seminars at ICA's national trade show and convention, etc, I respected him then and I still do.
Folks, if you are reading this, check out via the many ways of the internet, who Bud is, and then consider what Buffer Bill is saying, who is questioning and attacking.
Just some logical thoughts for all.]]>Ketch22Auto Detailing: Secrets of the ExpertsSun, 09 Sep 2012 18:36:58 +0000http://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44358#msg-44358Re: RON'S REAL EXPERIENCEhttp://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44358#msg-44358
All we seem to hear from Buffer Bill is about one product, his constant ranting about swirls, asking what causes them, etc, etc.
If he really has any real time and experience, he would know what the many, many items there are in the life of a vehicle which will create such defects in a vehicle surface.
This whole "tyranical" approach of his has caused him to be banned from forum after forum, even here for a while, until lately, under a different name, he has returned, and not with any sort of change in his well known attitude towards how he reacts to those who do not drink his Kool-Aid.
It is my opinion, that his doing so has kept many who look in, from posting or even seeking to find resolution to their vehicles issues.
Few of us even bother to respond to him and l like most who do, only do so to demonstrate to the other visitors, that he can not bully everyone.]]>Ketch22Auto Detailing: Secrets of the ExpertsSun, 09 Sep 2012 17:46:00 +0000http://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44357#msg-44357Re: RON'S REAL EXPERIENCEhttp://web-cars.com/phorum//read.php?1,44172,44357#msg-44357
I'd love for you to go into detail about your decades of detailing experience and your list of accomplishments in the industry?

You're sitting on your self assummed throne thinking you have the answers to everything just because you've sealed a couple planes and do wash & seals on swirled up cars. This, is a spec of sand on Ron's beach of accomplishments and knowledge. I'd be wiling to bet Ron has forgotten more in a week about detailing then you've learned in all your decades.

I don't see how what you do or have done makes you competant enough to even call or consider yourself a "Detailer"???? You are the cream of the crop of the bottom of the barrel of what Florida is plagued with and that is kicking you up a few notches actually.]]>Pro-TechtAuto Detailing: Secrets of the ExpertsSun, 09 Sep 2012 16:21:40 +0000