Why Time Does NOT Exist!

Originally posted by secret titan
Still, I would like for you to prove that time doesn't exist WITHOUT using any words that involve time. (a point in time, moment, etc.)

ALL motion involves time. If you have motion, you have a starting point.

No movement is instantaneous, and if it is, that would still involve a point in time.

Motion does not require "time", motion requires energy and energy is all that is.

Motion does not require time it requires vibrations, speeding up and slowing down of energy/objects. Measuring objects is an attempt to measure and
categorize a limited reality and in turn has created it. Humanity's attempt to categorize and control reality has caused humanity to become further
and further away from the truth of Existence as being immeasurable by the limits of the time and space reality they have created.

Existence is pure energy, every thing is energy in motion only at differing speeds relative to reference and there is no speed limit.

Existence is instantaneously synchronized, all ways.

Existence has no limits, it is eternal and can not be measured as a whole in any way, there fore any attempts at measurement and organization of
Existence as a whole are invalid

i really think you guys get this idea, i totally agree time is measurement, or something created by man to explain the beginning and end of all
things, but hing move at a rate or speed time is merely used to measure that.

Light is generated from the interaction of electric and magnetic fields. Which is why it's called the Electromagnetic Spectrum. Light
technically is everywhere, you are correct in that, though you are incorrect in saying Speed is not a limit. The Speed of light cannot be broken
locally.

And if a fire is lit through rubbing sticks together and it creates light, where are the electric and magnetic fields?

A.T.S. member biggiesmalls hit the nail on the head. Time is just a human concept to assist those who are unable to live a normal existance without
the big hand, the little hand and sometimes the sweeping second hand.

Vibration is still a motion. True everything in the universe is fundamentally made of energy.

Energy is characterized by vibration and the impulse to move.

Motion means a change in the position of a body with respect to time, as measured by a particular observer in a particular frame of reference. If
nothing is around to measure time, it doesn't mean time ceases to exist.

If anything is instantaneously synchronized, time is still involved.

Time does have to be in the physical realm, but, unless you are somehow in another realm you have time weather you choose to believe it or not!

Originally posted by carnival_of_souls2047
A.T.S. member biggiesmalls hit the nail on the head. Time is just a human concept to assist those who are unable to live a normal existance without
the big hand, the little hand and sometimes the sweeping second hand.

[edit on 21-3-2007 by carnival_of_souls2047]

Saying that time is just a human idea, is the same as saying the meter is just a human concept to judge size. So what that we were able to given some
meaning to time.

When i was younger, the way that i understood how the eygypians had built the great pyrymid, it was given that they people that did it had no concept
of time, only they arcitecural mathmatics that were involed in it, and having no time to be held acountable, it took as long as it needed to, the
amount of years or time that took to make it did not matter, becasue these people lived outside of time, in a sense.

Motion does not require "time", motion requires energy and energy is all that is.

Motion does not require time it requires vibrations, speeding up and slowing down of energy/objects. Measuring objects is an attempt to measure and
categorize a limited reality and in turn has created it. Humanity's attempt to categorize and control reality has caused humanity to become further
and further away from the truth of Existence as being immeasurable by the limits of the time and space reality they have created.

Existence is pure energy, every thing is energy in motion only at differing speeds relative to reference and there is no speed limit.

Existence is instantaneously synchronized, all ways.

Existence has no limits, it is eternal and can not be measured as a whole in any way, there fore any attempts at measurement and organization of
Existence as a whole are invalid

Originally posted by secret titan
Vibration is still a motion. True everything in the universe is fundamentally made of energy.

Energy is characterized by vibration and the impulse to move.

Motion means a change in the position of a body with respect to time, as measured by a particular observer in a particular frame of reference. If
nothing is around to measure time, it doesn't mean time ceases to exist.

If anything is instantaneously synchronized, time is still involved.

Time does have to be in the physical realm, but, unless you are somehow in another realm you have time weather you choose to believe it or not!

Time is used to measure speed, not motion of energy or motion of light, this motion of light and energy is eternal and Existing every where, if time
becomes eternal it ceases to Exist.

Don't confuse "speed" and "time" with motion, motion that does not have a starting position. Motion all ways has been and all ways will be, no
beginning and no ending, no start and no finish.

This is what humanity is doing: Speed is relative to whatever speed has all ready been predetermined as a set, unmoving position on the object that we
reside on and we are using this "set" position to measure other objects in motion for getting the "speed" of the object that we are on (the Earth
for example), as an attempt to measure motion based on objects that are relative to it (the Earth), or a position of an other object.

This is what really is: There really is no other object that we are on and there is no other object whatsoever, there is no other object that needs to
be measured, we are all a part of every thing and not divided from it. We are every where all the time because we are connected for ever, connected to
eternity, we are eternity.

There is no velocity and no speed -without point a and point b- (eternity), but there is all ways motion.

Motion is movement and movement never stops: Movemement is change of position relative to the change of movement of another objects position,
therefore position and movement are never static. Position is continuously dynamic and relative to movemement and motion.

"Speed" and "time" are subjective to position and motion and not the other way around.

Subjectivity is synonymous to relativity.

Position and motion rely on each other and are objective and cannot be measured with out being subjected to relativity.

Time will exist as an illusional reality on Earth as "long" as people accept that reality.

We have sexual organs because we think that we will die, thus we need to reproduce, all of this caused through the illusion of time, we evolve in to
what we accept, but first we need to accept each other.

The mind adapts as it creates and creates as it adapts and we are all connected to the same conscious mind. Existence is a never ending connectedness.
We rely on each other to see existence and life as unlimited.

Energy is eternal. It is all that we see, it is all that we are, it is all that is around us, it is all that we do not see, the air can't be seen if
not under a microscope, but it is still energy. Energy is movement, energy is motion. Motion is eternal, movement is eternal, position is eternal.
Eternal is the universe not as a bubble, yet having no beginning and ending, thus deleting "time".

Energy is every thing .

Excuse me, I am very tired, I will try to be more unambiguous tomorrow.

Energy can be defined as a position and motion of unlimited potential, and every position and motion fits this description

To me, time is a human construct to quantify the interval between events. It is relative to what it is being measured with, for example, the amount of
times a Celsium 22 atom vibrates while a feather falls to the floor.

Originally posted by LastOutfiniteVoiceEternal
That is omni-dimensional, it has a measurable width, length, and depth. There is a depth to this computer screen and there is a depth to any piece of
paper that it is drawn on.

Two or one dimensional objects cannot exist in a three dimensional world, and as such cannot be measured in one either. This however does not mean
that they cannot exist in their respective dimensions.

Fire of course is not four dimensional, as four dimensional objects cannot exist in a three dimensional world. Dimensions are all in right angles to
each other, the fourth dimension is no exception.

Time is just a measurement, it allows us to dictate our lives in advance and mark past events. We are all consumed by the illusion of progress, new
objects in our surroundings (like a new McDonalds on a corner that used to be a run down hotel, or a iPod in the hand of a teenager instead of a
Walkman), new inventions, clothing styles, and styles of just about everything changes. You could say 'I remember when that was a Comfort Inn back in
the 90s' (referring to a new McDonalds location, or look at how people carry iPods for portable music, and say 'It seems like yesterday that
Walkmans were the rage.' It really wasn't then that those things were that way. Its just things have changed and even though it seems distant it is
the same place and same world as it always has been, just new additions. Its just human nature to measure it and place it, especially if its all we
have been taught to do. We have been trained to think our surroundings yield to a force of time, and some believe its possible to travel through it.
The only way you could go back in time is to have cataloged every change in everything until the desired point in 'time' you wish to travel, and
change it back to appear to be that time. The only way to travel to the future, is ride it out, as you are right now.

Originally posted by Mysteri
i am living in a nerds paradise.
but seriously people time is impossible, not to mention it just creates far too many problems for physics in general. and disproving its existence
will change the whole univeral model.

Mysteri, Have you been reading back issues of "Foundations of Physics Letters", say the August 2003 edition?

Then take two extra-strength asprin and call your phycisist in the morning!

Briefly (or Not!), from one of my earlier posts on the subject of Time:

"We think of Time as being a Linear progression from an identifiable Past through a fleeting Present and onward to an unknowable Future. We concieve
of Time in discrete Units: Years, Months, Weeks, Days. And with our technology we even divide this dimension of Reality into further smaller "bits":
Hours, Minutes, Seconds and so on.

This is our reality, Time in discrete "bits". But this is a fallicy, a mere convience of our own design, a self-delusion of control over an
uncontrollable aspect of Reality.

Consider, it is the nature of Time to "flow". This flow gives structure to the other three dimensions of Reality we are familiar with; the
dimensions we call Space, within which we count our existence and the existence of everything we know and/or concieve of, Can conceive of.

But if Time is to flow, we cannot be able to divide Time into discrete units, no matter how miniscule those units might be, for that would require
that we be able to "pull" a portion of Time from "out of the Flow of Time", and That would require us to be able to stop Time's flow so that a
particular, discrete "bit" of Time be identified and withdrawn.

A drop of water withdrawn from a flowing stream is no longer part of the stream.

Like-wise, to be a stream, there can be No discrete divisions amoung the drops of water which might comprise a "stream"; they are all of a single
entity.

As with Time. There can be No discrete Past, Present or Future, despite what our "cave-bound" senses tell us, for we cannot stop Time and divy it up
into such gross "packets" without turning true Time into something which we may call time, but which is not really Time."

Time is a necessary part of our human society. Without it, there would be no workday, you wouldn't know when to wake up, and you would probably go to
bed when the sun set. For modern life, I think it is necessary. Even if it doesn't exist by nature's standards.

If you want something else to really freak you out:

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS COLD. COLD IS SIMPLY THE ABSENSE OF HEAT.

.... A thermometer doesn't measure cold, it measures an increase or decrease in heat levels. You can't have negative heat, even when the thermometer
is reading negative numbers (just applied by humans, like time). Think about it.

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