He may as well have fought for a bag of chips because his mission in Iraq had nothing to do with my "freedom" in the United States. I guess team Bush and his cronies (you know, the ones who never served a day of combat in their entire lives and got all those cushy deferments) are pussies too? Nice.

Oh come on zps, get with the program. We're supposed to be reveling in a combat veteran telling the liberal punks behind his/her car just who they owe their freedom to, and to shut up about the war being "unjust" and/or "catastrophic."

i do not "owe them for my freedom" if that is what you mean. my freedom has never been threatened by the happenings in iraq other than it has drained our human, equipment and monetary treasure all in the hame of Bush's follies.

A true man or woman would never, ever, say "hey you owe me". its cheap, it is tawdry, and my money is on it not being a vet but a wanna be....what Rush calls one of those fake soldiers perhaps?

You're such a gasbag, Doyle. Did you ever listen to yourself? It must be embarrassing. Did anyone here do anything other than riff on and joke about this? No. But that never stops you from tilting at your own scarecrows.

Drill Sgt: There is no expectation of privacy in a government desk, office, barracks, etc. We have to safeguard the troopies from themselves. Actually, my husband was shocked at the level of freedom the 82d soldiers had in the barracks. Not so for his 2d ID guys in Korea. He changed that once he hit his brigade. [They had to sleep at attention when he was a TAC at OCS, too.] Being a graduate of a military college allows one four years of learning the ins and outs of barracks inspections and creative hazing.

This from, of all people...LOU DOBBS..who appears to agree with, of all people...ME:

NEW YORK (CNN) Lou Dobbs says President Bush has diminished a great nation and may diminish it further.

Frankly, I spend more time worrying about whether or not the United States can survive the remaining 15 months of his ebbing presidency.

There is little mystery about what future historians will consider to be the legacy of the 43rd president of the United States. Those historians are certain to describe the first presidential administration of the 21st century with terms such as dissipation and perversion.

Bush campaigned for the Republican Party's nomination eight years ago, styling himself as a compassionate conservative. He's amply demonstrated that he is neither.

Although many conservatives refuse to accept the reality, George W. Bush is a one-world neo-liberal who drove budget and trade deficits to record heights while embracing faith-based economic policies that perversely require only blind allegiance to free markets and free trade, without regard for consequence.

This president pursues a war without demanding of his generals either success or victory and accepts the sacrifice of our brave young men and women in uniform while asking nothing of our people or the nation at a time of war.

Sadly, this president has diminished a great nation and may diminish it further.

As a Marine, I find that type of display very unprofessional, not just because of the foul language, but the attitude that others should be beholden to a Marine is not appropriate to our commitment to subordination to civil authority. And the missing M is bad, too.

1. "...historians are certain to describe the first presidential administration of the 21st century with terms such as dissipation and perversion." (Liberal?)

2. "Bush campaigned for the Republican Party's nomination eight years ago, styling himself as a compassionate conservative. He's amply demonstrated that he is neither." (Liberal?)

3. Although many conservatives refuse to accept the reality, George W. Bush is a one-world neo-liberal who drove budget and trade deficits to record heights while embracing faith-based economic policies that perversely require only blind allegiance to free markets and free trade, without regard for consequence."(I'm not sure what a neo-liberal is...but I know Clinton paid off our debt and left a surplus, contrary to President Reagan.)

4. This president pursues a war without demanding of his generals either success or victory and accepts the sacrifice of our brave young men and women in uniform while asking nothing of our people or the nation at a time of war."(Liberal?)

I realize you're about far to the right as one can be, but I don't think you can throw Lou Dobbs into the closet "liberal" mix...because he criticizes your hero.

Skyler said..."As a Marine, I find that type of display very unprofessional, not just because of the foul language, but the attitude that others should be beholden to a Marine is not appropriate to our commitment to subordination to civil authority. And the missing M is bad, too."

WASHINGTON, Oct. 12— In a sweeping indictment of the four-year effort in Iraq, the former top American commander called the Bush administration’s handling of the war incompetent and warned that the United States was “living a nightmare with no end in sight.”

John McCain told Bob Schieffer that he feels retired Lt. Gen. Sanchez might have felt he would have met the same fate as Gen. Shinseki if he gave an honest opinion about the war in Iraq which is another indictment on the Bush loyalty doctrine. Sanchez came out hard against the war planning and is now being criticized by the right wingers…

Sen. McCAIN: "And one of the reasons, in all due respect, my friend, is because General Shinseki gave his opinion and got fired."

I believe that we should all agree that pussys should be above partisanship: no liberal or conservative pussys. It's time that we all do our part in the national healing and bring all the pussys together.

AlphaLiberal, for once I agree with you 1000% The only slight caveat is a Mariah Carrey stanky pussy. That even chased Derek Jeter away, and you know what a hound he is. In fact his name has now become a verb in the clubs of NYC. When you are trying to avoid a lady with an odoriferous pooter you "jeter" her big time. Nice to finally have a meeting of the minds

Sgt ted says: "LOS,Did you see the first part of Sanchez speech where he ripped the press a new one for essentially propagandizing for the Democrats?What do you think about that?"

The media has been a mess from day one.

They didn't dig into the bullshit we were fed by Bush & Company regarding the faulty intelligence, they gave Cheney a pass on his famous "flowers and candy" comment, his "last throes" comment, they didn't press Rummy on what was really going on, they didn't say squat when general after general quit or was fired for making comments. (See McCain's quote.)

As for Petraeus, he's doing a fine job, but it's way too late in the game. We have to work a deal with he three factions and get our asses out...it is THEIR country after all.

We went in via faulty intelligence, it all about OIL...Saddam was our perfect buffer between the countries that want a piece of the massive revenue pie, but now he' gone and our own soldiers are the buffer.(Oil was at about $30 when Bush came into office, and now it's at about $87. Gasoline was at about $150 and now it's at $2.50-3.00. Think about the impact that has on trucking, everyday goods and services.)

Do YOU think it was worth the lost lives, wounded soldiers, ruined lives, economic impact, massive debt and ongoing situation??

No, if he'd been to Afghanistan he'd have been fighting for me. That's where the people who actually attacked the U.S. are hanging out now. They send a few hundred low level recruits to Iraq to blow themselves up and kill Americans, but for the most part the people doing the fighting in Iraq are Iraqis, and I for one don't see how fighting them is fighting for me.

Now as any true boulevardier can attest, the real dividing line is not between the liberal and the conservative, but rather between the bald and the hirsute. As a man of the world I personally prefer the Sinéad O'Connor as opposed to the Oscar Gamble, because spitting out miscreant follicles can put a damper on pregame festivities. However I would never denigrate the natural look as in my experience it is often sported by the more uninhibited and carefree free spirits.

Silly Marine. He's forgotten it's an honor to fight and risk death for Liberals who mock the uniform, the mission and the nation.

He's also forgotten that his sacrifices barely rise to the level of the Liberals, since, after all, "dissent is the highest form of patriotism." Just ask any Liberal like Howard Zinn - they'll be the first to tell you so.

At least we don't get caught with male hookers and meth, giving cops blowjobs in bathroom stalls, role-playing with hookers in diapers, or pass out and die masterbating with a dildo in the ass in full scuba gear.

garage mahal said..."At least we don't get caught with male hookers and meth, giving cops blowjobs in bathroom stalls, role-playing with hookers in diapers, or pass out and die masterbating with a dildo in the ass in full scuba gear."

"At least we don't get caught with male hookers and meth, giving cops blowjobs in bathroom stalls, role-playing with hookers in diapers, or pass out and die masterbating with a dildo in the ass in full scuba gear."

Man, liberals are a lot more boring than I thought. I thought you guys were supposed to be the fun ones?

I'm not sure what a neo-liberal is...but I know Clinton paid off our debt and left a surplus, contrary to President Reagan.)

Hmm, generating a surplus in your final year does not mean Clinton did not increase the debt. In fact when Clinton started in 1993, the national debt was $4 trillion. When he left is was nearly $6 trillion. That doesn't sound like paying off the debt to me?

Hey did you hear what happened last night. Jason Kidd was in a club and got a pussy in his kung-fu grip. We don't know if it was liberal or conservative. Just pissed off and I think she filed a police report. Film at eleven.

Skyler rocks: "As a Marine, I find that type of display very unprofessional, not just because of the foul language, but the attitude that others should be beholden to a Marine is not appropriate to our commitment to subordination to civil authority."

Thank you! Well said!

TrooperYork, glad we could agree on something! (Can't speak to Mariah Carey, but I do like to watch her walk away)

The intellectual honesty on display here is mighty lacking. So the war didn't get handled properly at the get-go. That's on the mend and is mending fast. Is it worth it?

That depends. I think it is worth it because I hate the idea of the torture, rape and murders committed by Saddam and his thugs. I like the idea that Palestinian suicide bombers' families are no longer paid $20000 to destroy families of civilians trying to get on in life. I like the idea that we now know Saddam can no longer be a destabilizing influence in a very tough part of the world.

I don't like the sacrifice that has taken place to get us to where we are today and where that country still needs to go. It is terrible to see the damage to Iraqi lives, and to know it was not too different for the past 30 yrs. But we moved in for more reason s than one, and I hope we can move out soon with all the huge developments already taking place.

So, LOS, I understand your points, but I cannot sympathize with your hatred of Bush or Cheney, or any of these other men. After all, they are just men. And you might want to read the full text of Sanchez' speech if you haven't already. Cherry-picking here and there doesn't work anymore. You might argue that is what happened with prewar intelligence. Don't do it yourself if you are going to criticize it. Oh, I see you've moved onto the deficit. I thought Congress controlled the money...

You are wasting your time. Lucky has incontrovertible proof that Bush/Cheney, et al., are homicidal manics who knew that the underlying intelligence was false.

His dissent makes him a hero and he hates those false heroes of the armed services. Running to the sound of gunfire tends to make anonymous typing from mom's basement look rather limp by comparison. Nothing short of lithium will move him off of his paranoid fantasies.

Riiight. The combination of radical Islam, WMD proliferation, and proxy terrorist attacks have *nothing* to do with American security. We can just retreat behind static defenses in Fortress America and down our lattes while chanting "give Peace a chance!". Genius.

the same crowd yammering about "protecting freedoms," are the ones most energetically working to roll them back.

Uh-huh. Intercepting *international* communications between terrorists on servers located inside the US sure has "rolled back" your freedoms.

Wilt Camberlain has stated that he had sex with over 10,000 women. He didn't tell us if they liberal or conservative. However, since he was a 7'2" black man, we know that his criteria was elastic vs inelastic. Either would do in a pinch, but one would pinch a little more than the other. Not that there was anything wrong with that.