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Mispriced European Debt

Featuring David Levine

Central banks have distorted global bond markets, and therefore political risk for the past decade. As this comes to an end, how will it impact investors? David Levine, founder of Odin River, joins Real Vision’s Brian Price to discuss upcoming catalysts and how to profit from mispriced European sovereign debt. Filmed on October 25, 2018.

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Paul D.

5 11 2018 11:07

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Digging the coffee tables

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Niels S.

3 11 2018 13:20

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I agree with some of the comments below about the difference between European Union and the Euro area, which is not clear in the interview. The other one about the risk free rate: I don't see why the US should be risk free and Bunds not. Lastly, I agree with the comments the you can't just compare absolute yields in different currencies without talking about FX risk/hedging costs.
With regard to the actual trade idea, it would be interesting to know why the trade would work now. As already pointed out below, these "wrong yield levels" in bunds have been around for a long time. Why would it now be a good time to short? QE in the Eurozone may be ending, but re-investments will continue. Would love to hear more about the expected catalyst.

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Will M.

2 11 2018 14:50

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Good discussion. German debt is tied up with the ECB. There is no real market for European debt. Draghi will desperately try to hold this together until he leaves early next year so as to be out o the immediate firing line when the EU financial system collapses

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James H.

31 10 2018 19:31

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Wow. wtf is this guy talking about?

Worst content I’ve seen from RV

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Mark T.

31 10 2018 13:14

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Based on my recent travels in Europe I don't see any capacity for the public/citizenry to accept additional burdens from Eurozone high command. They will leave the union. Whether the states survive in their present form is uncertain. There may not be ANY way to profit from a series of events that results from sufficiently disastrous multiple economic and political system failures. Middle class working folks are putting their money into home improvements and rental real estate in search of yield and safety.

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Ruben S.

31 10 2018 08:10

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David Levine, are you really comparing one current account positive country, with debt/gdp like Germany with the US situation? saying that Germany should have 50bp risk premium over the US regardless of the debt dynamic and trade context is quit surprising...
i think a better bet would be short Spain or Portugal or even France... as before Germany gets attacked on its debt those countries will be taken down!

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Jeppe F.

31 10 2018 05:54

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I normally find RV content quality quite high. But this guy has absolutely no clue. If you want to profit from euro instability you don’t short bunds, you buy them. That should be obvious from any chart of euro government debt over the past 10 years and any basic understanding of fixed income.

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David S.

30 10 2018 20:02

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The European Economic Community is a viable trading system. It is different from the countries within that system that use the Euro instead of their own national currency, thereby eliminating their sovereignty. The biggest risk to the European Economic Community has always been the Euro. DLS

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David S.

30 10 2018 19:55

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A much better point on Germany. If the Euro folds and Germany has to return to DMs, the economy and the banking system will have many more levels of risk. DLS

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David S.

30 10 2018 19:52

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Good point that the European Commission should have allowed this one budget go through. Now the Euro Central Bank will try to force Italy to comply by continuing to lower its purchases of Italian debt. This will increase Italian bond interest payments and bust the Italian budget anyway. A lose/lose game of chicken has been going on with several Euro countries for a long time. The Euro was doomed from the start. It is surprising how long a political currency has lasted. DLS

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David S.

30 10 2018 19:35

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I know that "risk free rate" is a classic term, but it should be eliminated. Every bond in the US or any other bond market has risk. I am not trying to correct you, but the whole concept of a risk free rate. DLS

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Nate I.

30 10 2018 19:28

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Feels like I've been sitting in this dead money bond short forever. I hope you are right because at some point it becomes evident that CBs suppress rates indefinitely and I throw in the towel.

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Marian H.

30 10 2018 19:22

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It would have been nice to hear how he approaches the currency risk in his long UST vs short Bunds trade

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theo k.

30 10 2018 18:42

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if the EU disintegrates, bunds will trade at a negative yield so not sure. Scenario that you make money is if all is well and there's inflation in Europe.

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Howard C.

30 10 2018 14:59

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Quite a bold move he is expecting, very nice to see people with an opinion put it out there for everyone to see. Nice interview, thank you Mr. Levine.

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Armin P.

30 10 2018 12:31

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Sharp and with multiple scenarios (though none including any EU improvement). Thanks David/Brian!