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Obama kept talking in circles...you people who believe this MUSLIM, RACIST LAWYER is going to HELP this country are CRAZY! It's only 7 years since 9/11 and here you plan to elect a Muslim (who hides behind a racist "christian" church) who has MANY radical ties. He didn't dismiss his connection with Ayers, either, he YES, TAP DANCED around it, saying only he wasn't in his living room (not one mention about how he is in his life). And how pathetic that every time someone questions Obama, they are suddenly a racist. Give me a break! I will say, even Sammy Davis Jr said "Thank God for slavery, man!"...cause he knew that the U.S.A. is the BEST country in the world, and he was LUCKY TO BE HERE! Let's keep it that way...a free DEMOCRATIC society, not SOCIALIST. If you want to go to Russia or North Korea, Please GO! I'm not ready to hand my country over to a smooth talking lawyer who has a questionable background and no military or foreign policy experience. This day and age is too dangerous for hopeful guessing and wishing.

Ah yes, just as I thought. As things wind down the racism card gets pulled. This is a fallacy of ad hominem attack. When no other useful rebuttal is left, people often resort to insult.
When somebody makes more money then you do it is generally because they are doing something or producing something that is of greater benefit and therefore they should be rewarded accordingly. Wealth isn't generated in a vacuum.
Specifically targeting the rich is going to set a ceiling on how rich people are going to want to be become. This stifles innovation and spurns the actions that generates wealth. Rich people often became that way because they were smart with their money. They generally don't try to things that lose money. When they start to see what they have slide downward they react and recoup. This means letting go of assets and investments that weigh them down. This also means letting go of people they employ. So, the logic, I only make 50,000 so why should I care about you is stupid. You better care, otherwise that 50k could become a big zero.
Also, Obama's Tax cuts are not automatic. You will have to qualify for a subset of Tax credits. I hope your actions match up to the letter of the law that get written into the tax code. Otherwise, yes your taxes are likely to go up.
Joe has every right to be skeptical of Obama's word. When he says that 95% of people in America are going to get a tax cut -- it is a deception. It is an arbitrary number he is throwing out that makes for good sound bite but doesn't mean anything. Specifically because, 50% of the people in America already do not pay taxes of any kind. A percentage cut of 0 is equal to 0.

Maybe if he had said "tap dances like Gregory Hines" it would have been better?
seriously, people, how many people can you name off the top of your head that "tap dance" and are famous enough for a comparison?
Three: Sammy Davis Jr, Gregory Hines and Fred Astaire. Oh, maybe Ginger Rogers now that we are talking about Fred.
In any case, you all are on a witch hunt. I think you all should go back and read the Scarlet Letter or The Crucible. Try Harriet Beacher Stowe, she might actually remind you what racism looks like.
Put down your torches and pitch forks. Go back to your homes before you become the monsters you perceive.

I'm amazed at how many people are angry at Joe for making more money than them. Isn't that the essence of the American Dream - the chance for success. Sounds like sour grapes from a bunch of failures to me. And Joe never said he would make 250K. He said his company will. And under Obama's plans small businesses will be taxed a LOT more. Joe is right in that it makes no sense to achieve more if you'll end up with less after Obama takes his hand out of your pocket.

Oh no! Say it ain't so Joe!
He's gone from being America's Joe Six Pack over-taxed small business dude (?) to a making an off-hand racist remark about Obama; "a tap dance...almost as good as Sammy Davis, Jr."
This has Karl Rove written all over it.

Joe ought to run for office. He is America. Hard working,intelligent,and has common sense. He saw through the phony retoric of Obama and asked real questions.
If I were Joe I would watch my back. He has become the enemy of possibly our first dictator, Barack Obama.

Hey Allen, the doctor called and said you shouldn't go off your medication. That's the only reason I can think of for your paranois and black helicopters comment. Oh wait, you're right. Carl Rove found Joe, sent him to the rally. Told him to get in Obama's face. Gave him the script. Then paid him for his troubles. Makes total sense to me. I hope the dog isn't talking to you again ...

yeah...barry will not have Ayers advising him...he's going to have the gang advise him...should I buckle up! Oh and on the "fair wealth distribution concept" should we implement the same in schools... Shouldn't your 4.0 GPA student help the 1.5 GPA student.... I mean its only "fair" right... lets welcome grade distribution too!
NObama 08!

Hey Libs,
Why do you guys keep acting like Barrack Hussein Obama is an African American. Check his papers and you will learn he is more Arab than black. You guys need to check out the facts before you elect your new messiah.

"Joe is right in that it makes no sense to achieve more if you'll end up with less after Obama takes his hand out of your pocket."
So where do we stop? 17k? Which is what I made in 1991 and paid less than 5% in fed taxes or at 175k? which i made last year and paid roughly 15% and lost the right to claim my kids as dependents. Am I better off making 1400 a month or 14000.
You know what I'll take your advice and get a job at Kwik-E-Mart because I don't want to pay taxes. DUH!!At 75% taxes id be better off with the better job and more income because...wait for it...It helps feed my family and put a roof over their heads. So why make more money?...so that you can have more money.
But let's take Joe the plumber's example. If he makes 250k and pays even 30% (if hes a business owner and pays that he needs a new accountant) and I make 175 and pay 13% who comes out ahead? The only way this pedestrian argument is even relevant is if you make the $1 that happens to move you into another (obviously higher) tax bracket.

Wow, a regular person stood in front of Barack "don't you know who I think I am?" Obama, looked him in the eye, and Obama had no idea what to say, so much so that he finally told the truth about his socialist views. "Spread the wealth". No wonder Fidel Castro just endorsed him. I'm sorry, but if Fidel and Hugo want this moron to be president, that should be the first reason every American should vote for McCain. Wake up, you idiots! And as far as all of you "victims" of capitalism. CRY ME A RIVER! Life is tough. Life is hard. Get used to it. If you want your situation to change, change it! I'm so sick and tired of listening to these bleeding heart "help me, mr. (or Senator - thank you John McCain!) government, help me!" HELP YOURSELF! Get off your ass, stop feeling sorry for yourself, and help yourself. Granted, if the "great and benevolent one" wins (God forbid), you'll be able to sit your ass on your porch and wait for your check from Senator Government while the rest of us are working. By the way, for all you idiots who actually think that your "tax cut" I mean "tax credit, I mean WELFARE CHECK is really going to be able to be paid for purely by people making $250,000, you're more stupid than you think you are. THE NUMBERS DON'T ADD UP FOR BO's PLAN! You think you're not going to get taxed more if you make between $50,000 and $250,000? That's where a ****load of revenue comes from, and for Comrade Barack to pay for the revolution, you're going to have to pony up a ****load of that revenue. WAKE UP!!!! WAKE UP!!! If you want to live in France or England or Germany MOVE THERE!!!!! McCain-Palin '08. The alternative would be a nightmare.

Lib's messiah canidate is now officially endorsed by
Cuba's leader Fidel Castro and also endorsed by the true leader of the Republic of Nicaragua, Hugo Chavez, Ophra Winfrey, and Ted Kennedy.
What else do Libs need? Maybe they expect the media to be in the tank for Obama too!

Posted By: Obama has the seal of approval | October 16, 2008 at 02:25 PM

Now the LEFT will go after Joe because they have nothing better to do. Attack a random guy instead of understanding and dissecting the inconsistencies with Obama's tax plan, his immaturity with national security policy and the economy.
BTW...there's a problem when guys like Chavez and Castro WANT Obama for president!!!!!!!!! Wake up people! This is not an affirmative action election--elect the black guy cause we feel sorry for him and we don't want black people to hate whites. I'm black and I'm not voting for Obama because I can see right through is smooth, dishonest character into his deception.

it is clear you morons do not know the definition of 'racist'. The only reason you use it is because of the visceral reaction it illicts. Please pull out your 5th grade dictionary, look up the word, then give a cogent answer, based on the definition of the word, why Joe's remark about Davis is "racist". What? Now we aren't allowed to compare a mulatto to a Black man? I guess that means the LeBron James/Michael Jordon comparisons are racist as well? What morons!

I have read through most of your comments today, and the first question that comes to mind is, how old are all of you? The second question is, how long have you lived in America? If I had to guess, I'd say most of you are between 18 and 25 or that you have only lived in America for less then 5 years. You aren't old enough or haven't lived here long enough to know what this county was founded on and why we fought for separation from England. What do they teach in schools these days! Your lack of grasping what this country is about is only superseded by your purely na?ve notion that a politician, any politician, Republican or Democrat, actually means everything he says or that he doesn?t have an agenda he?s hiding from you. That goes for both of them. Unfortunately we don?t find these things out until it?s to late. However, that being said, I have made a decision about whom I endorse. I don?t believe that McCaine, as he stated last night, will balance the budget in his one and only term with no intention of raising anyone?s taxes, anymore then I believe that Obama will stop at his 200k ? 250k threshold for a tax increase. One is a rather grandiose undertaking that is destined to fail, while the other is a rather na?ve attempt to placate the middleclass. But if you wish to believe them, you can and have proven that you do. Which again points out either your young age or lack of significant citizenship in this country. All politicians lie and shade the truth. But something significantly different is going on this election and I find it especially troubling. One of these men does have character; the other has arrogance. I have chosen character. I was chilled by Obama?s description of himself as ?The One?. His inability to love this county for all of it?s history, not just the last eight years, but rather to turn it into some image of himself. To be proclaimed a Messiah as if he will lead us through the desert of Republican waste, part the red sea of Democrat greed and finally bring us before the Obama mountain and lay down his commandments of big government that we must obey or be banished from the kingdom. I am frightened by someone who shows only controlled emotion, never admits when he is wrong and whose lack of decision making skills are parlayed as some kind of a strength. For me it comes down to feeling I know the candidate I?m voting for; good and bad. While he may not be perfect, with McCaine I believe I know whom I am voting for and for me the risk is significantly lessened. With Obama I feel I would be voting for a Liberal masquerading as a Democrat with the arrogance of a Republican.

funny, Joe is skeptical when Obama says he won't raise taxes for his income bracket, but he is completely trusting when McCain says he won't raise taxes for his income bracket.
And I'm supposed to believe that Joe is an undecided voter. Someone please cue Peter Pan and the tooth fairy.

1st of all, Joe the Plumber does not represent all of "middle class america"..
2nd of all, please go online and research BOTH CANDIDATES economic proposals, it's online, take a look at it..
3rd of all, no proposal is perfect, but don't make up lies..

I have a confession to make. I probably make more money than you do. I live in a bigger house and drive a more expensive car. I have more nice stuff than you. America is a great country, where anyone can succeed if you are smart and ambitious. So, Barack Obama wants to raise taxes on wealthy people like me. We can most afford it, and we should be happy to pay it because of the opportunities this country has given us.
It?s not like I?ll have to stop paying my mortgage. I will still be able to afford the payments on my car. My kid?s college fund will continue to grow. I?ll keep paying the bills on time. After all, I am one of the privileged few. But I will have to find a way to cover that extra tax money.
I like to take my wife out to eat at fancy restaurant once a week or so. We usually get a nice bottle of wine and we leave a really good tip. I guess I could cut back on that to once a month or so.
I get my haircut every four weeks at a nice salon that charges $50. I suppose I could start going to the franchise place down the street that only charges $12, and stretch it out to every six weeks or so.
I usually take my fancy car to the car wash once a week and get the full $25 treatment. My spoiled rotten kids could do that for me for free, I guess.
Movies? Forget it. Ballgame? No. Florida vacation? It can wait. I can defer these luxuries, especially when Barack keeps reminding me how badly people are suffering. I?ll just tighten my belt and do my part and pay the higher taxes. It?s the right thing to do.
Barack?s plan makes sense. Your taxes won?t go up, only mine, and thousands like me. You won?t be affected.
Unless of course, you wait tables at a restaurant, cut hair at a salon, polish cars at the carwash, or work in a hotel or for an airline, because you may not be seeing as many customers as you used to. Sales could slow down a bit. Oh yes, and don?t forget that Barack is going to raise taxes on businesses too. Your boss will have to come up with that extra money from somewhere. Do you really think it will come out of his profits?
On the bright side, Barack should have plenty of money to help ease the suffering of those who might lose their jobs. Besides, your taxes won?t be raised one dime.
So I urge people to vote for the change we need. The change that will be jingling in all of our pockets. Where the dollar bills used to be.

are these people stupid or what??? small business owner? i think's not!
the only way the business taxes increase is if he makes over 250k in profit...
which i doubt the plumber will make 250k a year period.
this is the silliness people buy into, eager to believe they are rich, or amongst the five percent. all of this even when people that are really rich support Obama because they realize it's the middle class that keeps them in business, i mean, if you're out to get the honey, then you dont go around killing all the bees
this is just another dumb redneck trying to justify voting for McCain (yes, it's come to this: having to justify such stupidity)
there's no way this guy is anywhere near 250K. no way

No Senator Obama did not seek this man out he came up to Senator Obama if you watched thevideo you would have seen that.At first I thought he was asking a valid question,he was and obama gave hime a straight answer,though Joe say it ain't so won't admit it. Afterreading about his republican afficilation and how he thinks S.S. should be elimated and no one should pay taxes.Come on he is a plant that went wrong

I totally do not understand how Joe does not seem to understand where Obama stands on issues! Obama has made his points very clear since the beginning of this campaign. And who are you anyway Joe? Thank goodness you do not represent the majority of the rest of America in your bias McCain views. Go OBAMA...I understand your stand on the issues loud and clear! You have my vote!

A little research will show you that:
1. Joe is a registered Republican.
2. Joe has not paid his taxes from last year ($1000. I pay more and I'm retired!)
3. Related to CHARLES KEATING.(Keating 5)
4. Filmed by Fox News.
I thought suggestions that he was a plant, but seems like a coincidence!! Does McCain even know this stuff? What a ****!!!!

Wow you Obama people are so brainwashed. It is funny because a bunch of people at the office (who are part black) always bash me for being for McCain. Today I pressed them.."What is it about Obama that makes him qualified?"..Sell me! They couldn't do it...they kept rambling and rambling...uh "Sarah Palin"..."McCain's unstable"...Obama came up from nothing (I then told them his background of private schools and coddling into Harvard, etc..then they shut up). It went round and round and no one could give me an answer and they just got angry..like how dare I question the lord beneficient messiah Barrack Obama. Which goes back to the fundamental truth....OBAMA IS NOT EVEN REMOTELY QUALIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.

I see most of your eyes must be glued shut! You really think Obama is going to help America? Change is his motto, and oh yes, change we shall get if he is elected! But, not the change to improve our lives...obama is a socialist, and 'Joe the plumber' seems to realize that. If it's not the democratic way, then it's no way for you people...how ridiculous

What does it matter what Joe Wurzelbacher thinks in regards to the election, because he isn't a registered voter in the State of Ohio. According to the Ohio Secretary of State website, more specifically voter registry, there is no Joseph, Joe or J Wurzelbacher registered to vote in the State of Ohio. He is a fraud and just a pundit for the McCain campaign. Nice effort, but please drive through.

Joe the Plumber, in fact, is not a plumber at all or at least not a licensed one. He has said that he does not need a license to be a plumber where he lives and in fact that is just another incorrect statement. According to Lucas County Building Regulations he is required to have a license. It just shows that he is an extremely uneducated man, not only in regards to plumbing and the law, but also in regards to the candidates in this election. This seems like a desperate attempt by the McCain camp to show that it can relate to the average "Joe". First "Joe six-pack" now "Joe the plumber". Don't they know anyone named Tom or Bob???? Here is your 15 minutes of fame dumb *&%....now go away

i believe joe represents what is on the mind of many. he wants answers from politicians, not spin. he realizes that "redistribution" of his income is a bad idea. he runs a business and employes people. he states that he has not made up his mind yet, but is honest to reveal how he feels, not like our politicians.

all you Joe bashers display your absolute total ignorance when you don't even read the article, much less listen to what was actually said between Joe and the Messiah.
Now you're making up stuff as to who Joe actually "is". What a bunch of pathetic, no-brain losers. You're all a sorry bunch and if that socialist Obama gets elected, hope you love working shoulder to shoulder in the rice patties!

This guy doesn't seem to bright. Clearly he's in the bracket of people who would be helped by Obama's plan. He doesn't make more than 250K. And the best he can come up with is Obama might change it to 100k?? Are you kidding me??

Will someone please tell me why everytime there is an election there is a culture war started by the Republicans. Something to rally the backwood bigots and the aristocratic blood sucking thieves who steal from other Americans. I am tired of the base rallying republicans....You know there are other Americans in the Country than these bigots...
Oh since none of the stupid media pundits will ask How in the hell are we going to rid a 10 trillion dollar defeicits without raising taxes...It is common damn sense. Bush and his croonies have rob us long enough. Do you know if all of the CEO and Senior executives of these fortune 550/Wall Street banks pooled there yearly salary for eight years it would be equal to the bail out. Why are we protecting Bush , Paulson why?? Somebody anybody please tell me.

Shame on everyone for slamming "Joe the Plumber" . Now here is an average guy who has the oportunity to ask a presidential candidate a legitimate question regarding where he stands on the issue of increasing taxes and all you can do is make fun of him! If you will notice Obama made a very nervous attempt to answer his question. Obama stammered and stuttered his response, as if he could not even stomache telling Joe about how his plans to increase taxes would indeed effect him as a business owner. In my opinion you can place anyone in the position of presidential candidate. As long as they can speak well; the American public will fall for it every time. Lets look at their records, Educate ourselves on their policies, and then made a decision! What have they done in the past and what will they offer us in the future

Hi Y'all,
We watched the debate last night and let me tell you there is something about Obama that just makes me sick. I don't know if it the fact that he is Left Wing idiot or just the way he answered questions like a slithery old serpent. He seems pretty uninformed and inexperienced to me. Since we have more than on in the military I sure don't want some idiot with no experience in the military or the Senate for president. No sir especially not right now while we are at war with those Islamic terrorists. Well that's just this ol boys thoughts on Barry Husein or Barrack Obama or whatever he is calling himself this week. All of you others can support whoever you want. If you get this idiot elected I will not kill myself or leave the country like the crazy Liberals promised us in the last two elections. Instead I will support this idiot as my president.

Sorry but anyone who dismisses drug use so easily and still is addicted to cigarettes in 2008 does not need to be our president. No more Libs with their addictions. Clinton and addicktions were bad enough.

1)Do not say his middle name, Hussein, because that means you are a racist against Muslims.
2)Do not mention the fact that he was a Muslim who converted to a racist Christian church to disguise his Muslim past.
3)Do not discuss the fact that his real name is Barry but he changed it to Barrack to sound more Muslim.
4) ABSOULUTELY!!! do not mention his past & present affiliations with terrorists & ACORN.
5) Do not mention his tap dancing around issues is as good as Sammy Davis Jr. because they will call you a Jew hater.
6) Don't mention his white mother because that makes you racist against white people?
7)Don't mention anything about loose white women sleeping around and getting knocked up by one night stands.
8)Do not discuss drug usage.
9)Do not discuss the fact Obama still uses tobacco.
10)Do not discuss his connections to the Chicago polictical machine.

Posted By: Things not to say around Libs about Obama | October 16, 2008 at 07:30 PM

What is wrong with you people. I have worked hard all my life and raised 5 children without the government having to pay my bills and my husband and I didn't make a great amount of money either. Joe the plumber is right about Obama and once someone else is paying all your bills, what do you have to give up for this money. Perhaps your freedom, upon which this country was built.

If He's not racist, then why didn't he say "Tap Dance around like fred Astaire" but no He refrenced a BLACK DANCER. Deny all you want,Denial is a shallow substitute for the truth but then Republicans can't see the difference between the two. From thier vantage point they can only see Russia.

Joe the plumber was contacted by the McCain camp prior to the debates. McCain wanted him to appear in the crowd at McCain's rally. You know, if "Joe the plumber" choses McCain, why shouldn't all the blue collar workers.
McCain is deceiving and dirty.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/joe_the_plumber

Wow! Lots of great comments. I'm sure Joe was a plant. He is not a licensed plumber, has a lien against him because he owes back taxes, and is a racist. He admits that he's years away from being able to buy the business. Why is he worrying about paying more taxes? Right now, he doesn't even pay what he owes! I guess he just wants a free ride. I think he should concentrate on getting his license. Maybe McCain can arrange it for him, since Joe did such a good job for McCain. I've already voted, and my vote went to OBAMA.

Libtards,
Why do you hate Sammy Davis Jr.? Is it because you hate Jews? Or is it because you really hate blacks? What does Joe the plumber saying that Obama tap dances around an issue like Sammy Davis Jr. have to do with racism? Obama is not really a negro you idiots! Obama is a caucasian/arab mix. Stupid Libtards need to get your facts straight!

You can fool some of the people some of the time but you can't fool all (most) of the people all of the time. America is waking up to what Obama really is a part of and America says no to the nightmare of an Obama presidency. The in the tank media screwed the pooch on this one. Media bias in the United States for Obama is unprecedented. The American public has seen through this farce. American democracy will rule this election. Senator Obama will remain Senator Obama unless impeached.

Just because one party owns the mainstream media and has so many followers that like to blindly post supporting comments to every mainstream media blog and article you don't control the majority of voters.

so, as far as tap dancing goes..... is he racist for noticing that Sen. Obama is black, or knowing that Mr. Davis was??? Or does that question make me racist for mentioning two black people in the same sentance? The wealth envy people that left comments are sad, quit *****ing about "not having enough", go do something about it. But that's probably asking too much. Spread the wealth??? How much of that will be Sen Obama's? Sen McCains? For those that make more than $45k/yr, well you're rich, therefor you should be taxed because I don't make as much as you rich people. Don't like ? too bad, you worked & achieved too much and must compansate those who didn't.
Before the whining starts, I'm a registered independant w/conservative (read: common sense) views. I don't agree w/everything either party has to say, and am truly wanting a viable third party, one that the media will actually report on, to step up to the plate.

Looking beyond Joe's status, he revealed the true Marxist ideology that Obama represents. Seizing from one side and giving it to others. Where in the Constitutions does it say the government should do that? Wake up people (sheeples). You'll be fleeced with nothing left and then stand there like deer in headlights wondering how and why did this happened. You deserve what you get.

According to the Small Business Association, under the IRS tax code, Joe could make up to 3 million dollars in receipts for his type of small business, and still be considered a small business. Barrack, a friend of the tax payer, that's funny! Yet, most people don't understand that the taxes placed on businesses is passed straight to the consumer, but who's paying attention - right?! Barrack's smile pushes the clouds out of the sky, and causes the earth to heal itself!

Joe the Plumber ambushed Obama? Sigh... the DUnderheads and nutroots are barking loudly today. Obama was the one who chose to talk to JtP. I guess in their minds, Karl Rove planted a hypnotic suggestion in The One's mind to go to that specific house.

Racist? Nothing Joe has said or done is out of hatred or veiled in the belief that his race is superior. Maybe if most of you here knew what the word "racist" meant you may understand that what Joe really is is a dissenter.
Look, Obama plans to let the Bush tax cuts expire. What does that man kiddies? EVERYONE gets tax increase. Taxing business means higher prices and layoffs, PERIOD! There is no spin here.
Spreading the wealth? The operative word her is "the". You see it is NOT Obama's wealth to be spreading. I don't know what you people are smoking, but I don't want any politician determining how much money is alot and taking it to give to someone else. That is taxation without representation.
Wake up people!!!!!

We would not even be talking about this if Joe the plumber had said Gene Kelly or Fred Astaire. It would have just been a regular old tap dance. Just like everything else these day everyone has to pull the color card. Someone tell me why this makes the news?

The right wing fear mongers blew it again.
Joe the Plumber
Name is actually Samuel Wurzelbacher
He?s not a plumber. He isn?t licensed to plumb in his home state which is illegal. Apparently ?freelances.?
Doesn?t have the money to buy a plumbing business or any business
He?s not registered to vote
He owes $1182 in unpaid taxes
He owes $1261 to St Charles Mercy Hospital
He has a tax lien on his home
Per Mr Wurzelbacher, "I want to set the record straight: Currently I would not fall into Barack Obama's $250,000-plus," he said. "But if I'm lucky in business and taxes don't go up then maybe I can grow the business and be in that tax bracket - well, let me rephrase it. Hopefully, that tax won't be there."
Few owners are that lucky in business. In a member survey conducted late last year, the National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB) found that only 14% of respondents said they had $200,000 or more in annual income.

Attention race baiters: nice try, but as usual, any middle aged white guy with a differing point of view has to be a racist and couldn't possibly know what he's talking about. Wrong. This guy knows Obama is a slick BS artist and he's calling him on it. Something more people should have been doing all along. Spread your own wealth around, better yet, move to France!

My, my, my! Here, folks, exposed for all to see, is how Liberals react to even the most modest comments in opposition to their aims and beliefs. Speaks volumes about the weakness of their positions doesn't it?

Geez!!!
Does WHO Joe is really matter? The unscripted Marxist comment by Obama should be at issue here. Focus! All Joe did was ask a question. I don't care who he is, what he does, or how much money he makes. I DO care about the fact the the man seeking the highest office in the nation has Socialist ideals. Don't you?

Wether he is a plant, non-union, or not even a plumber at all, it is Obama's job to answer the questions. I find all the comments intresting because none of them disscuss what Obama actually said! Just like a liberal keep wrapping that fish in paper.

Joe?s right! We DONT really know what B.H. Obama stands for. He and his legions have done a very good job, with complicity from the mainstream media?s hiding his background. How did he perform in school? What was his academic performance in college and graduate school (SAT and LSAT scores, etc)? Obama and his campaign refuse to provide any information. And why is his academic career record a secrete? Could it be he was admitted based upon ?the color of his skin and not the content of his character???
I seem to remember the democrats and media putting Sara Palin?s academic career under a microscope dating back to her grade school records in an attempt to discredit her as ?unqualified?. When G.W. Bush was running his academic record was ?fair game? to show that he also not qualified for the job? However B.H. Obama gets a pass without question.
I have a simple suggestion for all undecided voters:
DON?T VOTE THE RETHORIC - VOTE THEIR RECORDS!!!
Go to independent government ?watchdog agency? websites and determine where each candidate voted on the issues that are important to you.
Remember each candidate is going to tell you what he or she thinks you want to hear but they can?t change past performance and voting records.
The candidates can only count on you believing the media ?sound bites? and your ignorance.

If the man had said, "Obama taps dances very well. But then, all blacks dance well," I would agree he was racist. But Sammy Davis, Jr., was an accomplished tap dancer. Are we supposed to search until we find a tap dancer of our own race before we can speak of Obama's dancing around a question?

I can't believe people are listening to this guy. He doesn't know where Obama stands?! Was he listening?! Obama explained his position so clearly that the only thing he could have done to explain it any clearer is by spelling it out. Joe the Plumber is clearly an idiot. Why else would he criticize a candidate that actually wants to REDUCE his taxes. He himself admits that he's not making over $250K --- then, what the hell is he complaining about?! What a *******!

84% of Americans polled in a June Gallop survey stated they DIDN'T believe in BO's socialist determination "to spread the wealth". But, 51% now polled are voting BO. Doesn't add up.
Hey Dems, what'cha gonna do when you're Messiah comes for your "wealth" to give to the 48% who DON'T PAY A PENNY IN TAXES?!? Have you even questioned how 95% of people will have lower taxes when 48% don't even pay taxes?!? Oh, silly question. You don't think for yourselves,do you? Haven't heard it on TV, or from some high school dropout "star", so you just don't think about that fact.
Yeah, vote Obama. You'll be the next pocket picked and left empty. Say hello to the equalization of poverty if he's elected.
Obama and Bin Laden have one thing in common...they both have friends who bombed the Pentagon

"Senator Government" should have half as much class as Sammy Davis Jr. Sammy was The Man. I wasn't much of a Nixon fan, but I admired Sammy for breaking loose from The Plantation to support Tricky Dick. In a PLAYBOY interview circa 1964, speaking of the Civil Rights Movement, Sammy said "We don't want to take anything away from you." ("We" being African-Americans; "you" being Caucasians.) And he meant it! Noaways, of course, the Civil Rights movement has devolved into the special Black Auxiliary Shock Troops Unit of what Grover Norquist has called "The Takers Alliance." And the first African-American presidential candidate in history is the leader of the Takers. Sad.

Wow, imagine that, people complaining about paying taxes. My wife ran her own business from home for years. Paid her own medical, social security, etc. You know what, she never complained. She made a good living and had to pay taxes. Why do some people think that because they work hard for their money they should pay few taxes. Come on, grow up. I wish I paid millions in taxes because it would mean I was making millions. If you don't want to pay taxes move to the Third World and see how life is.

So many comments on here claiming that Joe is an "idiot" for voting against his own interests. Could it be that Joe just might have moral standards?
A fable:
500 people were stranded on a desert island. It was pretty nice; fruit trees, etc. all around, fairly stable temperatures day and night.
After awhile, though, about a 100 of the people, through hard work, managed to make some major improvements for themselves. They built some nice cabins, harvested and stored up extra food, put together some rudimentary machines for spinning fibers and weaving cloth, etc. The remaining 400 just lounged around, eating the fruit off the trees, relaxing on the beach, etc.
Suddenly, a major El Nino developed causing storms and colder weather. The people who hadn't been working found themselves in trouble, while the ones who had been working were still doing fine. What were the 400 to do?
At first they thought that maybe they should just charge the 100's compound and take what they wanted, but someone said that if a rescue boat showed up, they might be charged with crimes if they did that. No, they decided on something else. They had an election on whether the 100 would have to give them their stuff. The vote was 400 to 100, and that made it all okay. After all, they were only voting their own self interest.

Wow, the wealth envy displayed here is amazing! Too many people worried that someone may get more than they do...whether they worked smarted to get it or not. Oh, I forgot, eveyone that is rich got there on the backs of the little guys like me! I guess everyone should make exactly the same amount of money and have the exact same house, car, etc.?!?!?

So Joe you want to buy a business eh? How so when you have'nt met the mandatory state requirements? No license and no apprenticeship equals no business. How about paying the back taxes you owe first? If you can make more than $250,000 with a two man business then maybe we all should be "plumbers". This guy is a total farce clearly brought into this by the McBush campaign.

"Also it wont matter who is voted in taxes will have be raised how can we lower our national debt. Obama wants the higher income to pay for it because they can afford to pay more then the middle class."
anne sic: Try this one on for size: CUT SPENDING.
As for Joe, I find it interesting that no one is arguing with his message, only calling him names.
Joe is asking a serious question. I'll rephrase it:
"What kind of incentive does it give a business owner to expand and hire more employees if he's going to be taxed MORE by an Obama Administration?"
Try THIS one on for size, people: of the 912,000 people who reported income in excess of $250,000 in 2006, over 660,000 of them were small business owners reporting business income as personal income.
Small business is responsible for 70% of job creation in this country.
Here's an idea: Give the 54% of "tax payers" who actually pay taxes a tax break. Cut government spending. Enable the Free Market to do what it does so well. Get government out of our daily lives. Stop giving hand-outs to people who make bad decisions (individuals and businesses).
My $.02.
Barr/Root '08

You wouldn't have a Left, as we know it, without wealth envy, "making way." For an illuminating look at this and other patholgies of the Left, see Eric vopn Kuehnnelt-Leddhin's classic LEFTISM. The Kos whackos would have been right at home among the sans-culottes or the Taborites discussed in this book.

After scanning through lots of comments, I noticed that as the time of day grew into normal business hours the more intelligent the comments became. It's true, if your only argument for increasing taxes on people who make more than you is "wish I were so lucky" then you have serious issues with understanding our economy. Who do you think buys cars, boats, takes vacations, hires employees, or just simply puts money in the bank for us to borrow? You may be insanely jealous, but don't bite the hand that feeds you. If they stop spending money in order to pay taxes, boat makers have to cut back, vacation resorts sit empty, auto workers get replaced with machines (or jobs sent overseas). Not to mention, I don't care how much you make, to take .50 cents of every dollar from them and only .30 cents from me, is clearly more than their "fair share".

What is the matter with you people? Maybe Joe doesn't fall into Obama's higher tax bracket now, but some of us in this country actually have aspirations to become more and more successful thereby making more and more money instead of being stagnant and waiting for the government to give us a handout. Your grandparents would be appalled at all the hands waiting for their check from the gov't. And guess what. When Joe grows that business to where he is in that higher tax bracket, he will most likely be hiring people (aka creating jobs). Maybe some of you would rather have an actual job than waiting for your $500 check from the gov't.

I really enjoy it when liberals get their rainbow panties in a wad when someone asks a question that forces their sweet savior to reveal his Marxist plan. They start accusing Joe of conspiracy or being hired by the republicans. (right, Obama's too smart to be trapped by an ordinary American, the only way he could've been tricked like that is to hire a highly trained actor) You know, your accusations just display an admission that Obama didn't do as hot as you would've like him to.

Nah nah nah (as REV wright would say)...McCain is not looking to help the people who got morgages they could not afford and had no way to pay for..ACORN and OBAMA took care of that, real good! Look it up. McCain is now trying to prevent another melt down by a system that Pelosi and the Dems SHOULD have done...renegotiate with the ones who HAD saved and worked for thier down payments but thier rates went too high. That way we dont have even more abandoned houses on the market and less taxes to collect on them. And it showes mercy for the ones who deserve it too. But go ahead Obama people, he is the master of deceipt and you are swallowing the sand he walks on. You wont be happy until he "double talks" his way into the Whitehouse and brings this country down. Are you sure you want him in there?..THEN whom will you blame for your lot in life?

I'm still not seeing how anyone on this site, pro- or anti-Joe can take what Obama said ("spread the wealth around") as anything but an admission of Marxist leanings. Marx and Engel called for the following:
1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax. (Sounds like this is what Joe fears. I do too.)
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly. (Read "bailout bill" here. All who voted for it should be ashamed.)
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. (These are the government indoctrination centers they call public schools)
Now, am I wrong that we spent 1945-1989 (earlier if you count the Americans fighting in the White Revolution in Russia) standing off against the USSR to prevent this from spreading elsewhere? Why should I or Joe the plumber vote for someone who has sympathy toward Marx and Engel?

Libbies don't want to deal with Obama getting vetted by Joe the plumber. Joe asked Obama the messiah a question and Obama established the fact that he is nothing but a throw back to the days of Soviet style markist, communist, socialist ideas. What I need to know is do you look for him to be more like
a)Joseph Stalin
b)Vladimir Lenin
c)Nikita Sergeyevich Khrushchev

I really dont want four years of being called a racist ! Why is comparing him to sammy racist remark? He was a great tap dancer ! Should he have said Shirley Temple ? I grew up in NJ + now live in ATL My family is very multi racial . But because I am white I am automatically a racist . Getting real old . I swear ba referance to bubble gum could prob. be turned around to be some kind of hate crime these days !

I am amazed at the vehemence that comes from the Obama supporters towards those with more conservative leanings. Anything that sounds even remotely anti-Obama and they are accused of racism or ignorance. When it appears to me from the typing ability and the gramatical choices, the ignorance may well be running the opposite direction. People need to learn to THINK for themselves rather than merely doing what the union or the media tells them to do. This whole mindset saddens me greatly that people are not voting with their mind, but rather with their emotion. What has happened to this nation?

Does anyone remember what happened when fuel prices went up and the stores had to pay more to get their Products delivered?
The Stores raised their prices to you the consumer!
What do you think will happen when the Obama adminisration raises taxes on the store owners,utility companies,oil companies that you buy from?
YOU will pay for their tax increase period and do not tell me that someone as intelligent as Obama does not know this and it is just a way of raising your taxes and blaming businesses.
When your Employer if you have one gets a tax increase what will happen to your pay raise or benefits?
Buy the way where does it say that Obama or any other Politician has the right to say how much you can earn.
I thought that only happened in Communist Countries!
I am looking for an answer on this one:Tell me how Obama will keep these tax increases from being passed on to every consumer everytime that they walk in a store or turn on a light or change the thermostat or buy a gallon of gas?

A PLANT??? Do u people READ? Obama was in JOE's neighborhood, outside his house...How in hell can he be a plant? Really, grasping at straws is not attractive, and neither is opening your mouth when u dont know what U R talking about.
Isn't it most convenient that NOW that Barry and Michelle have done thier own social and economic climbing AND ARE MULTI MILLIONAIRES... NOW, they want to share the wealth? And they got theirs the EASY way. Can they blame one ones that work 16 hrs a day to get ahead for thier families like Joe indicated was his reasoning, for not wanting to give it to someone who sits on thier butts all day? We are obliged by our humity and/or religions to give to the poor, many truly can not do for themselves,and we shall take care of them, but massive WELFARE helps noone. 40% of whom Obama says he will give tax rebates to DO NOT WORK and DO NOT PAY TAXES. They will instead get a big fat FREE check, paid for by the rest of us.
Barry has had everything in life handed to him. Thats why he demands thathis schooling etc be kept secret...Harvard can't share, Affirmative Action can't share..he's bound them all to secracy. Even the Muslim to paid his College tuition has now AWOL. Getting things too easily has brought him to a place where he knows NOTHING about small business and is too arrogant to try to find out. My husband and I ran a small business for many years...we grossed 250K and more, many years. Do you know what WE made from that? Lucky if it was $50K between us. 16 hr days, 7 days per week. The Obama man is so ignorant it is not even funny. And let him and Joe B (the gas bag) Biden laugh at Joe the plumber all they want, but many, many plumbers gross $250 per year, and again they would do well to keep $50K. Now they want him to kill himself for the chance to do better for his family..then have it taken away to SHARE with people eho have not got a CLUE what killing themeselves means? He's rediculous! Did anyone LISTEN to ALL of his words? He said he would want to get a second truck and fulltime worker... that sucks up alot of the $250k and incase NOBAMA can't follow, thats also giving another AMERICAN a JOB! Thats What John McCain is trying to tell people...kill the small business person and you kill jobs! Joe the plumber is a hell of a lot smarter and alot less arrogant than BHO. But what kills me the most is seeing the venom in BHO and his people...what they are doing to Joe is a picture of what his administration would do to the rest of us...we dont agree with him? We get destroyed...they are now digging thru Joe's trash cans to try to get something on him. mocking his family, all of BHOS FRIENDS in the news have camped outside Joe's doors...do u see even ONE truck in front of Wm Ayers and his terrorist wife's front door? Nope..all protected by the MESSIAH. Now BHO is trying to kill FOX news...50% of thier time they have pro BHO supporters on! Ask me, I have to turn the channel! He's mad because they are the ONLY ones who do not kiss his butt 100% of the time. NBC actually now has an Obama headquarters! He says he could be up a couple of more points if not for FOX. Just how many points up do you think JOHN mCCain would be if not for TOTALLY BIASED..MSNBC, NBC, CNN etc etc? He takes it on the chin, as unfair as it is. He is a man. This is one person who does NOT get a chill up my leg (puke, puke Chris Matthews). This vote Goes to a Man I can trust, John S. McCain.

Obama is his own swift boat. Well it looks like Libs blamed losing in 2004 on John Kerry's exaggerated multiple purple hearts stories. Now they are going to blame Barry Barrack Hussein Obama's losing on an innocent plumber who Obama selected to get a quick photo shot of the messiah along side the typical white working class bumpkin. This is so great. Democrats did not vet out their own candidate nor teach him to hide his marxist ideals until after the election. America does not want a socialist/marxist government or leader. By election day Libs will realize their blunder and screams of Oh Hillary & Bill save us!

It wouldn't really matter that much who was president if we had the Fair Tax instead of the income tax. This would put an end to the vote buying schemes of Obama "I'm going to give 95% of Americans a tax cut" when 42% of the people currently don't pay income taxes. Under the Fair Tax everyone in the country legally or not would pay into the federal coffers, not just the ones who happen to have jobs or run businesses. Now, wouldn't that be nice for a change. The useless paying taxes along with the useful.

Hello I a Democrat and I make less than $40,000.00 per year. That means I get a lot of good supplements. You can call my supplements welfare but they aren't really welfare because I work most of the time. Why should you tax my supplemental checks since whoever paid the money into those federal coffers already paid tax. Isn't this called double taxation. Isn't this why the WWII was fought and all that. Leave my supplement checks alone.

To those who think that they don't make as much as "Joe the Plumber", whose fault is that?! Why is that one when works hard to build a career and livelihood for themselves, everyone else wants a piece of it? Is it "Joe's" fault that YOU didn't do something with your life to earn more than what you are earning now? STOP blaming others and look inwards to find out what it is holding YOU back! The government isn't here to spread the wealth. It's here to ensure that all Americans can attain the wealth that we all look forward to having for ourselves and our families.

Some of you should try to get a job by a poor, or middle class person. It doesn't happen. and who ever said that his business will be successful because Obama wants to help him by raising taxes is an idiot and does not know how businesses run. Obviously you must be too ignorant and lazy to run your own business and make more than $250K a year. Lazy asses don't run this country. If you make $40K and have 2 car payments, and **** u don't need around the house and is trying to support a family, stop blaming other people and go get an education. Joe has a good point and that's what you are all missing. Unless somehow you believe that raising taxes is a smart thing to go for economic growth in this country. It is not. People are in business because they provide a service and receive money for it which in turn they use to pay for expenses and what's left is profit. If they didn't make a profit it would be called a non-profited organization. Every tax businesses get hits with they forward that extra cost to the price of their goods and thus the consumers pay it. Stop thinking like the dumb masses and use your brain and do some research. A president that wanst to raise taxes will stifle the economy and growth.

There have been studies that show that in racially uniform countries, higher taxes are more easily tolerated. 'Don't take my money and give it to THEM!'
Joe illustrates for us the racial resentment behind tax resentment in America. Even though Obama acts in Joe's economic interest, Obama is an affront to Joe's identity interest. Obama's tax cuts may go to Joe personally, but Joe identifies with the team Obama will tax.
Mixed with the attempts to make Obama a terrorist, a socialist, an affirmative action neophyte, an effete east coast intellectual talker (as opposed to a virile, middle american common sense do'er) mccain-palin are subtly adding welfare queen to their attacks on and outright lies about obama's tax plans. Katie laughs at the racism. We all let it slide, because to many of us feel it too.

13% of Americans want the government to distribute the wealth more evenly among Americans, compared to 84% of people who want the government to focus on the overall economy and jobs. In other words, there is an overwhelming majority of people in this country who fundamentally oppose exactly what Barack Obama is all about ? redistribution of wealth. His entire campaign is based on this notion of "spreading the wealth" ... and yet people are still going to vote for this guy? Something isn't adding up.

Whine whine whine.... A real person was finally put in the spotlight and ask Obama what he plans and when he didn't like Obama's answer and says so, all the Demonocrats are crying like babies that he picked on their chosen one.
Answer me this. This majority demonocrat congress has an approval rating of 9%, yet you people are going to elect more of them and possibly give them a super majority with a Demonocrat Prez?!! That is totally nuts. They will be able to pass anything and no one can stop them. This is totally scary. DO NOT GIVE ONE PARTY TOTAL CONTROL!

Look he has already won the election. Don't believe me just turn on or tune to any main stream media. Insulting the Liberal Messiah or even being preceived as insulting the great one can easily be turned into a visit from the Secret Service. One lady in Texarkana, Texas made a non threatening remark about Obama the chosen one to one of his followers who called this lady unsolicited. The remarks were changed to a threat against his highness. A little while later the Secret Service turned up at her house. Don't blame the Secret Service blame the Obamaite. Be careful or you may face interegation.

Posted By: Use caution when talking about Obama! | October 19, 2008 at 06:14 PM

Once a socialist is elected as President with a socialist congress can they really change the name of our country to United Socialists of America? Has the media verified their vote count and confirmed their own voting results yet? Does anyone else have a hard time believing that just 7 years after being attacked by hostile Muslim we have (according to the media) already elected this guy?

Posted By: Will United States really change its name? | October 19, 2008 at 06:25 PM

Joe - Thank you for educate people like me. I was one of those people who got caught up in Senator Obama's eloquent speeches. Now I realize his inexperience and the true meaning of what he was saying. This is scary. I hope a lot more people really listen to what Senator Obama is saying.