‘Large amounts of weapons’ may make you a gov’t target, Feds say (VIDEO)

How many firearms and firearm-related accessories do you own? How much ammo do you have stockpiled?

It’s okay, you don’t really have to tell me, but if it’s a “large amount,” you may find yourself in the crosshairs of the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI.

According to a joint ‘Suspicious Activity Reporting’ (SAR) bulletin issued by both agencies in August, intended to be disseminated to police, fire, EMS and security personnel, possession of “large amounts of weapons, ammunition, explosives, accelerants or explosive precursor chemicals could indicate pre-operational terrorist attack planning or criminal activity.”

As an example, the bulletin pointed to Anders Behring Breivik, the Norway rampage killer who admitted to killing 77 people in shooting and bombing attacks in July 2012. The bulletin stated that Anders “stockpiled approximately 12,000 pounds of precursors, weapons and armor and hid them underground in remote, wooded locations.”

Though, the bulletin makes clear that one doesn’t need to store the arms in a hidden bunker or a remote location, but that they can be “cached” in one’s “home, storage facility or vehicle,” and that the weapons can include anything from “rifles, shotguns, pistols” to “military grade weapons.”

All of this raises questions about how does one define suspicious activity as it relates to weapons possession and when does one report it to the authorities?

Well, the rubric the bulletin gives is that when one (law enforcement officer, fireman, EMS tech or security guard) discovers “unusual amounts of weapons or explosives that would arouse suspicion in a reasonable person” he/she should alert the government.

There are other indicators as well, such as:

Illegal possession of firearms (rifles, shotguns, pistols and military grade firearms) and ammunition.

Possession of explosives such as IEDs (including rockets, grenades, pipe bombs and other homemade explosives) and other destructive devices.

Dangerous objects artfully concealed at security checkpoints or in areas where weapons are not allowed.

However, the bulletin cautions against reporting “constitutional activity” unless the circumstances “support the source agency’s suspicion that the behavior observed is not innocent, but rather reasonably indicative of criminal activity associated with terrorism, including evidence of pre-operational planning related to terrorism.”

As noted by PublicIntelligence.net, the bulletin is part of a DHS-FBI series describing activities “reasonably indicative of criminal activity associated with terrorism,” to police officers, first responders and security personnel.

The criteria for the bulletin comes from the 2009 Information Sharing Environment (ISE) Functional Standard for Suspicious Activity Reporting, which is part of the Nationwide Suspicious Activity Reporting Initiative (NSI), a program (the “See something, say something campaign”) that establishes a standardized process whereby information can be shared among agencies to help detect and prevent terrorism-related criminal activity (see SAR initiative promo trailer below).

At the end of the day, this whole bulletin comes down to what one considers to be “reasonable” as opposed to what is constitutional. It’s a judgment call on behalf of the public employee.

We have a right to keep and bear arms for self-defense within our homes. But if a first responder or a law enforcement officer believes that you have an unreasonable quantity of firearms, he/she she can report you to the DHS/FBI, which will then (presumably) begin to monitor your activity (not as if the NSA isn’t already).

In the majority of instances, common sense and reason will prevail, the officer or first responder will be able to adequately assess the situation, but there’s little doubt that from time to time law-abiding gun owners are going to find government agents knocking on their front door (that is, if they’re polite enough to knock) demanding to examine their firearms. It’s inevitable, especially with the ongoing movement to demonize certain commonly owned rifles like the AR-15 (“It’s unreasonable for anyone to own an AR-15. This person must be a Terrorist!”).

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So much B.S. coming from our gov. They can stockpile billions of rounds of ammunition, deny it and not give us a reason why, and then become suspicious when we stock up? How’s that quote go, “We have found the enemy, and it is us.”

Thisis Notme Dude this is the scariest stuff yet. Literally cops looking for people to snitch about who they think have too many guns? There is no law around too much ammo or guns, yet they can tip off police. The police will send some ungodly amount of SWAT officers and gear your way, break down your door, shoot your dogs and scare the shit out of you. All in the name of stopping terrorism. Its time to ask what entity causes more damage here at home and around the world? I am starting to wonder... definitely a creepy point we are coming to.

Come on Mel ! The Government wouldnt know the term " Reasonable " if it could bite them in the rump ! you could open a dictionary, read it to them , provide a one hour block of instruction and they still could not comprehend the meaning ! Lol !

That's just it. They'll -never- define reasonable. To do that creates a trap they can fall into. "Why is five rifles and two pistols reasonable, but six rifles and one pistol isn't?" They couldn't answer that question because "reasonable" is just an excuse to use while they fabricate a real charge, just like arresting protesters for "resisting arrest" when their only real crime was letting their face get in the way of a police truncheon.

" but there’s little doubt that from time to time law-abiding gun owners are going to find government agents knocking on their front door (that is, if they’re polite enough to knock) demanding to examine their firearms."
And they can bite me. RD? PC? Warrant? Take a hike.

Oh they're going to sight the Patriot act and NDAA because you're a possible terrorist and therefore don't need probable cause or a warrant and you aren't allowed to call anyone much less a lawyer and they can hold you indefinitely without anyone knowing where you're at. Welcome to the new world order! Don't worry those ovens are for you to cook in. No literally they're for YOU to COOK in. You looked a little cold!

It seems like police have developed quite an odd custom of knocking on doors with the heel of their boot. It has always seemed pretty damn rude to me, and I think I just might have an impossible time cooperating with anyone who might introuduce himself that way.

Probably on that list, many a time have I purchased 500 plus pack of ammo, as well as many a firearm over a few month period. My only words regarding this, Understand it government, we are exercising our rights to be armed, but we are not attempting to threaten anyone who is not a criminal.

Will Collier Hell did you hear about the Iraq war vet in Colorado or some state in the west. He was growing like 6 pot plants to self medicate his PTSD and some neighbor tipped off the cops. They busted in one night and he responded as anyone would when someone busts into your house. He ended up killing two SWAT officers, going to jail and committing suicide in jail. What is this country coming to... all because they got a suspicions tip someone was growing pot. Who he hell cares these days. And for it to happen to a veteran who defended us, or safety and our interests overseas. Sad sad sad.

Again, proof that not only are those in DC clueless about the constitution (last I checked, it doesn't put a number on this right) but clueless about those that use firearms for sporting hobbies. And to think they are wasting our money to come up with this directive, meanwhile spending has gotten more out of control than ever, and we're borrowing more money than ever.

Knock, knock, since we like to battle......lol jk. I agree the spending is ridiculous but in terms of SAR, it's every real Americans duty to each other to report terroristic or criminal activity far as I'm concerned. That's how we catch them a-holes and possibly prevent another Sandy Hook. If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about:p

Gary Foran Jr. If there is a dumber argument than "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to worry about" I cannot think of it at the moment. Do you honestly believe that the same government that lies to us about WMDs in Iraq, that lies to us about NSA surveillance activities, that lies to us about Benghazi, that lies to us ALL-THE-TIME is only going to arrest people who have "something" to hide? They won't fabricate evidence or detain you indefinitely without cause etc? You truly, genuinely believe that? If so, get in touch with me about some property at the bottom of an active volcano that I'd like to sell you.

Gary Foran Jr. that is decidedly NOT how our Founders thought. They put that Fourth Article of Ammendment into the COnstitution for VERY GOOD reason.. based on immediate past experience with a tyrannical British government. Many of those "soliders" casting about "searching" for "contraband" made things up as they went along, determined on the spot how many dinner plates were "normal", the "escess" becoming "military stores" by default, this subject to seizeure... and the arrest of the one in possession of them. Same could go for barrels of flour, dried beans, blankets...... totally innocent folk were accosted, their personal goods stolen, often charged with "treason" for possesson of normal goods in normal quantities. THAT is why NO search can be conducted except under the terms of the Bill of Rights.. a warrant, issued by a judge of proper jurisdiction, and upon oath or affirmation setting forth the grounds for the search/arrest, and naming the person or items to be seized, and their location. Get a clue, man. Your ilk are why we are IN the mess we're now in, and if you don't think we're in a mess, you are certainly part of the problem.

I've known several gun collectors over the years. One had a whole room devoted to displaying his collection. His guns were all functional & he had large quantities of the more difficult to obtain ammunition for those guns that required those calibers. After he died, his widow supplemented her retirement for years carefully selling off his collection to other collectors. How many guns and how much ammunition does a person have to have before he stopped being a collector and becomes suspicious?

All Fed men have the equipment on them to make them rapists and all the Fed women have the equipment on them to be hookers. Therefore we should consider all of them sexual deviants, hookers, and rapists. You see that faulty logic works both ways.

I fear the government's Einsatzgruppen with their bombs, guns, tanks, drones, missiles, and batons more than I fear any one non-State actor's weapons. All the private mass murderers, thieves, and rapists in history combined haven't done a fraction of the violence the State and its goons have done. If anyone needs disarmed, it is THEM.

Homeland security and its broad mandate was a step to far when it was instituted and since Obama continues and even expands this, like so many other things.. he shows how little difference there is between the two parties.
Same goes for spying on allies.. including the prime minister of Germany. Fighting terrorists DOES justify a lot, but.. seriously.. who here thinks the German pm will go around with bombs strapped to her chest....

Let 'em come! These bastards seem to have forgotten, or never learned, that THEY WORK FOR US! I've had just about enough of the B.S. from this dictatorship awanting. If they knock on MY door wanting to "inspect" my Constitutionally protected and held property, they'll damned sure get an up-close-and-personal look.

And I spent 2 decades, under a Sacred Oath, in the military so these bozos can piss all over OUR CONSTITUTION?

Sounds like time for another Ben Franklin reminder: "Those who are prepared to sacrifice their freedom for safety deserve neither". The US public have voted for a buncha clowns who have severe disrespect for the Constitution and for all the principals of the Founding Fathers. They would have surrendered to the British if given half a chance. And these cowards run the US military??

Watch these MF'ers, one step at a time, they will take the guns, one step at a time. Right now it is the veterans, like in Moscow in 1914?, or so, they fooled the veterans to "stand down", while the bolshevicks out gunned the cadets and there trainers...SImple as that, then they called in all the vets, toook the guns and killed them. WAKE