Do you believe Richardson, Biden or Obama. Why would Hussein start telling the truth now. Obama doesn't have a truthful bone is his body. I hope there is truth to the Bradley effect or we are screwed.

stlrtruck

10-31-2008, 02:53 PM

If Obama becomes president, the entire working class is going to get screwed.

Leftoverhard

10-31-2008, 03:19 PM

"Hey Chicken Little, turn up the radio, I think we're being taken over by aliens!"

The Patriot

10-31-2008, 03:23 PM

If Obama becomes president, the entire working class is going to get screwed.

Maybe if the average person in middle class was pulling in $250,000 a year.

Steel Duck

10-31-2008, 03:56 PM

Maybe if the average person in middle class was pulling in $250,000 a year.

:applaudit::applaudit::applaudit::applaudit::

MACH1

10-31-2008, 04:13 PM

Maybe if the average person in middle class was pulling in $250,000 a year.

Keep thinking that....Lemmings :banging:

cubanstogie

10-31-2008, 04:18 PM

Maybe if the average person in middle class was pulling in $250,000 a year.

thats the point, 250,000 is not the figure. Keeps changing depending on who you ask. His running mate stated 150,000 was the number. You guys got sold a line of crap. Hopefully none of you libs will need surgery on a day the surgeon decided not to work because working overtime or extra hours would further tax him. Or your clogged toilet or lack of water can wait a few days because the small business owner plumber had to fire his employess and now is on his own. Oh well at least you guys will sleep better knowing the people who don't contribute to society will get handouts and will be able to buy Budweiser and Camels.

Vis

10-31-2008, 04:31 PM

thats the point, 250,000 is not the figure. Keeps changing depending on who you ask. His running mate stated 150,000 was the number. You guys got sold a line of crap. Hopefully none of you libs will need surgery on a day the surgeon decided not to work because working overtime or extra hours would further tax him. Or your clogged toilet or lack of water can wait a few days because the small business owner plumber had to fire his employess and now is on his own. Oh well at least you guys will sleep better knowing the people who don't contribute to society will get handouts and will be able to buy Budweiser and Camels.

That's garbage. Biden did not say the tax plan uses the $150,000 figure for a tax increase

MACH1

10-31-2008, 04:33 PM

That's garbage. Biden did not say the tax plan uses the $150,000 figure.

Ever hear of Google? Do a search!

Vis

10-31-2008, 04:35 PM

Are you people serious? Can anyone on the right tell the difference between apples and oranges?

MACH1

10-31-2008, 04:37 PM

You do know how to do a search don't you.

Keep combing the wool over your eye's.

Vis

10-31-2008, 04:38 PM

Biden was being consistent. Obama has said that those making under $150,000 would get a tax credit and nobody making under $250,000 would see their taxes go up. Both claims can be true if those making between $150,000 and $250,000 see no change in their taxes.

Y'know the old saying "you get what you pay for"? I really wish some of you McCain supporters had a little more faith. This race is FAR from over. Remember 2004?

If Obama does come out on top - and that's a huge IF - I can't wait to hear the B & M'ing 6 months or so into his presidency from the left and I'm going to so enjoy the "I told you so's!"

HometownGal

10-31-2008, 05:16 PM

Can anyone on the right tell the difference between apples and oranges?

We sure can. We can also tell the difference between an experienced real candidate who loves his country so much that he was willing to die for it and a smooth-talkin', gutless phony who can't decide, along with his wife, if he loves his country or not. :banging:

The Patriot

10-31-2008, 06:10 PM

People, we've been fighting a war for six years now. Who's gonna pay for that?

silver & black

10-31-2008, 08:31 PM

Are you people serious? Can anyone on the right tell the difference between apples and oranges?

Yes... I prefer oranges to apples. :toofunny:

silver & black

10-31-2008, 08:36 PM

We sure can. We can also tell the difference between an experienced real candidate who loves his country so much that he was willing to die for it and a smooth-talkin', gutless phony who can't decide, along with his wife, if he loves his country or not. :banging:

I swore I would stay out of the political talk, but, I have to tell you that I agree with you 100%.

I find Obama to be "Slick Willy #2."

devilsdancefloor

10-31-2008, 09:00 PM

People, we've been fighting a war for six years now. Who's gonna pay for that?

ah yes sir we have on their turf! And if you havent notice, oh wait the liberial meida hasnt been focusing on it because we are WINNNING! and by the way we actualy been fighting a war since 1969 when the hell are we gonna end the war on poverty??????? we have generations of folks who do not know how to function unless they get their gov'ment check every month. Dont think i am a cruel harded bastage but when is enough enough? i am willing to help anyone who needs it and i do on a regular basis. :tt02::tt02::tt02:

steelcity_88

11-01-2008, 02:33 PM

Wow, I don't even know where to start. First off, as was stated previously, you guys are getting the tax plan numbers mixed up. Obama's plan is to increase taxes for anyone making OVER 250k a year. I'm not exactly sure what you're using as your reference, other than Fox News, but 150k to 250k= same tax and <150k=lower tax. I'm going to trust what Obama says he's going to do over what Bill Richardson says Obama is going to do. As far as Palin goes, I am honestly frightened by the fact that people want this person as their VP. As far as I'm concerned, she is the single biggest reason McCain is struggling right now. It was a stupid pick by McCain, and I'm sure he realizes this by now. Why do you think they kept her from the media for as long as they could? As soon as they unleashed her, she crippled the campaign. She's a joke, they Republicans would have done far better with Lieberman.

BritishSteel

11-02-2008, 04:25 PM

There's such a huge difference in politics on each side of the water. Our liberals are socialists by the US definition and our conservatives liberal. I don't think we have an equivalent to your conservatives. It's all very confusing.....It did make me laugh seeing Biden and Obama described as 'liberal' though (as I consider myself Liberal, but by Western European standards).

HometownGal

11-02-2008, 04:37 PM

Wow, I don't even know where to start. First off, as was stated previously, you guys are getting the tax plan numbers mixed up. Obama's plan is to increase taxes for anyone making OVER 250k a year. I'm not exactly sure what you're using as your reference, other than Fox News, but 150k to 250k= same tax and <150k=lower tax. I'm going to trust what Obama says he's going to do over what Bill Richardson says Obama is going to do. As far as Palin goes, I am honestly frightened by the fact that people want this person as their VP. As far as I'm concerned, she is the single biggest reason McCain is struggling right now. It was a stupid pick by McCain, and I'm sure he realizes this by now. Why do you think they kept her from the media for as long as they could? As soon as they unleashed her, she crippled the campaign. She's a joke, they Republicans would have done far better with Lieberman.

Do you honestly believe Prez candidates hand pick their own VP candidates? :laughing:

I'm very pleased with Sarah Palin as the VP nominee. She's fairly young, vibrant, intelligent, isn't afraid to expose corrupt behavior within her own party, doesn't associate with unsavory characters and she represents Main Street America in a way that neither Obama or Biden ever could. She isn't perfect by any means, but the woman has balls and speaks her mind instead of reading from a script or cue cards - I respect her immensely for that. :thumbsup::applaudit:

tony hipchest

11-02-2008, 05:42 PM

Do you honestly believe Prez candidates hand pick their own VP candidates? :laughing:

I'm very pleased with Sarah Palin as the VP nominee. She's fairly young, vibrant, intelligent, isn't afraid to expose corrupt behavior within her own party, doesn't associate with unsavory characters and she represents Main Street America in a way that neither Obama or Biden ever could. She isn't perfect by any means, but the woman has balls and speaks her mind instead of reading from a script or cue cards - I respect her immensely for that. :thumbsup::applaudit:

:rofl:

*puts on a thicker set of waders*

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/15073.html

John McCain's campaign is looking for a scapegoat. It is looking for someone to blame if McCain loses on Tuesday.

And it has decided on Sarah Palin.

In recent days, a McCain “adviser” told Dana Bash of CNN: “She is a diva. She takes no advice from anyone.”

Imagine not taking advice from the geniuses at the McCain campaign. What could Palin be thinking? :laughing:

these are mccains own people saying this. they had a script for her to closely follow which backfired in the debate and couric interviews. now that she has strayed, she is bein painted as the scapegoat.

MACH1

11-02-2008, 06:00 PM

If Obama loses, who's going to be his scapegoat?
I bet it will be the drunken idiot Biden.

tony hipchest

11-02-2008, 06:05 PM

If Obama loses, who's going to be his scapegoat?
I bet it will be the drunken idiot Biden.nah, biden is like the "teflon don".

he is like the ed mcmahon to johnny carson. hes just there to say a few things and provide comic relief.

if obama loses, "racism" will be the scapegoat. thats not my opinion, it just is what it is.

HometownGal

11-02-2008, 06:41 PM

:rofl:

*puts on a thicker set of waders*

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/15073.html

these are mccains own people saying this. they had a script for her to closely follow which backfired in the debate and couric interviews. now that she has strayed, she is bein painted as the scapegoat.

Nothing backfired on Palin in the debate, oh dear hipcheese. Quite a few liberal pundits were taken by complete surprise at how well she handled herself and begrudingly agreed that she held her own with Biden. Sarah had no script or cue cards, nor did she know what questions Gwen Ifill was going to ask in advance. Considering Ms. Ifill is a big supporter of Obama and even authored a book about him due out close to or on election day, - dare I say it - I agree with the lib pundits (other than being surprised) on this issue. :applaudit:

politico.com. Enough said. :rofl:

tony hipchest

11-02-2008, 06:46 PM

oh dear HTG thats why palin completely ignored the questions and went straight to script in said debate.

Not sure how many of you have heard about this, story and audio came out yesterday. I think it's hilarious regardless of your political stance, but also scary. Palin thinks she's talking to Nicolas Sarkozy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PgHZBB08dg

tony hipchest

11-02-2008, 07:07 PM

i read the story.

its pretty sad when mccain is seeking her expertise on foreign affairs on many occasions and she dont even know who the prime minister of canada is.

what a dumbass she is. :doh:

cubanstogie

11-02-2008, 07:15 PM

i read the story.

its pretty sad when mccain is seeking her expertise on foreign affairs on many occasions and she dont even know who the prime minister of canada is.

what a dumbass she is. :doh:

yes but she does know how many states there are in US, and what religion she is. Its amazing the free passes Hussein gets from the biased media.

tony hipchest

11-02-2008, 07:17 PM

yes but she does know how many states there are in US, and what religion she is. Its amazing the free passes Hussein gets from the biased media.:toofunny: how can you possibly believe what religion she says she is when she is constantly "speaking in tongues"? :toofunny:

steelcity_88

11-02-2008, 07:25 PM

yes but she does know how many states there are in US, and what religion she is. Its amazing the free passes Hussein gets from the biased media.

And I'm pretty sure she is not/was not aware of her VP duties. I don't understand why you're insinuating that Obama doesn't know his religion. He's repeatedly stated he is Christian, even though religion should play NO role in an election.

cubanstogie

11-02-2008, 07:34 PM

And I'm pretty sure she is not/was not aware of her VP duties. I don't understand why you're insinuating that Obama doesn't know his religion. He's repeatedly stated he is Christian, even though religion should play NO role in an election.

Maybe religion shouldn't play a role, just like race but it does just like race. Fact is many vote for and against Obama for race just like many didn't support Romney for being a mormon. Thats the world we live in, not my rules. My point was about Obamas slip ups such as 57 states, and stating he was Muslim in an interview with Stephanopolis. His slip ups go unnoticed by the media where as Palins get pounced on.

silver & black

11-02-2008, 10:40 PM

"I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction."

Why would he say that if he is a Christian?

Preacher

11-02-2008, 10:54 PM

And I'm pretty sure she is not/was not aware of her VP duties. I don't understand why you're insinuating that Obama doesn't know his religion. He's repeatedly stated he is Christian, even though religion should play NO role in an election.

Do you believe in seperation of church and state? Because I GUARENTEE you Obama doesn't.

It is and was the heart of everything he learned about Christianity for 20 years. So unless he rejects Completely the teaching of his church, there are a LOT of questions that should be asked of him.

BTW, I wonder, do you also think that Palin's Christianity and faith shouldn't be challenged? Because frankly, I was offended as a Christian by many in the media and even some on this board by the way she was put down for her Christian beliefs.

tony hipchest

11-02-2008, 11:22 PM

Do you believe in seperation of church and state? Because I GUARENTEE you Obama doesn't.

It is and was the heart of everything he learned about Christianity for 20 years. So unless he rejects Completely the teaching of his church, there are a LOT of questions that should be asked of him.

BTW, I wonder, do you also think that Palin's Christianity and faith shouldn't be challenged? Because frankly, I was offended as a Christian by many in the media and even some on this board by the way she was put down for her Christian beliefs.and what exactly are her Christian beliefs? that God wants war in iraq and that God wants her to be veep?

obama has said (on a national forum) that Jesus died for the redemption of his sins . i havent yet heard mccain or palin publicly testify in such a way. :hunch:

steelcity_88

11-03-2008, 01:54 AM

Do you believe in seperation of church and state? Because I GUARENTEE you Obama doesn't.

It is and was the heart of everything he learned about Christianity for 20 years. So unless he rejects Completely the teaching of his church, there are a LOT of questions that should be asked of him.

BTW, I wonder, do you also think that Palin's Christianity and faith shouldn't be challenged? Because frankly, I was offended as a Christian by many in the media and even some on this board by the way she was put down for her Christian beliefs.

I do believe in sep. of church and state, very strongly. I could guarantee you that Obama does, too. He's stated over and over again how much he believes this. He's not winning anymore votes by doing so, so I think there must be some genuine belief on his part in it. Should the Wright issues have been talked about? Definitely. The guy is a nut. As far as challenging Palin on her beliefs. Her beliefs SCARE ME! Do I feel threatened by MOST Christian beliefs? No. But hers, most definitely. I'm with Matt Damon on this one. C'mon, dinosaurs 6,000 years ago? U.S. soldiers in Iraq on a "mission from God" ? Her stance on gay people? What about her comments about Alaska having to "be right with God" so she can do her job? If someone is Christian and gets into office, knows how to make decisions without it, that's totally fine with me. But mixing religious beliefs into political decisions is not only stupid, it's dangerous. (See Bush)

Preacher

11-03-2008, 02:19 AM

I do believe in sep. of church and state, very strongly. I could guarantee you that Obama does, too. He's stated over and over again how much he believes this. He's not winning anymore votes by doing so, so I think there must be some genuine belief on his part in it. Should the Wright issues have been talked about? Definitely. The guy is a nut. As far as challenging Palin on her beliefs. Her beliefs SCARE ME! Do I feel threatened by MOST Christian beliefs? No. But hers, most definitely. I'm with Matt Damon on this one. C'mon, dinosaurs 6,000 years ago? U.S. soldiers in Iraq on a "mission from God" ? Her stance on gay people? What about her comments about Alaska having to "be right with God" so she can do her job? If someone is Christian and gets into office, knows how to make decisions without it, that's totally fine with me. But mixing religious beliefs into political decisions is not only stupid, it's dangerous. (See Bush)

Let me simply focus on Obama here, as the rest of the answer is more about faith itself.

Obama is a disciple of black liberation theology. When people say he is a socialist, they are wrong. What they are picking up on is the liberation theology which has fused marxism with thomastic theology. He spent twenty years being discipled by his pastor in liberation theology, which teaches that the church MUST work to empower the (in this case, black) masses by shifting riches from the rich to the poor. To free them from the economic bondage (slavery or sin) is salvation.

That my friend, IS OBAMA'S 20 YEARS OF DISCIPLESHIP.

Now, go back and look at some of his statements about redistrubiting wealth, his wife's statement about being proud of America for the first time, etc. etc.

When Obama states that he is for the seperation of church and state, he has in mind the "Conservative Christianity." However, the heart of liberation theology is alive and well in Obama. My question, is why that wasn't challenged?

And by the way, how do you know God DOESN'T want us in iraq? Do you think God didn't want us in Germany in WWII? Are you insulted by the fact that FDR and Winston Churchill would lead in prayer, or that tbey even prayed together? I am not saying he does, but I am questioning your absolute belief that he doesn't.

MasterOfPuppets

11-03-2008, 03:59 AM

And by the way, how do you know God DOESN'T want us in iraq? Do you think God didn't want us in Germany in WWII? Are you insulted by the fact that FDR and Winston Churchill would lead in prayer, or that tbey even prayed together? I am not saying he does, but I am questioning your absolute belief that he doesn't.then i guess maybe we really shouldn't bash those crazy arabs, for believing Allah wants us infidels destroyed......:noidea: .......i got no problem with what anybody believes in, or doesn't believe in.... thats on you...but when you start putting OTHER peoples lives on the line,or taking lives, because of YOUR beliefs.....your going to far. I wonder if she would feel this war was so righteous, had a democrat president initiated it.? on the flip side of it, i'd like to see how many of the democrats that oppose the war, would be supporting it, had a demo president initiated it. the bipartisan hypocracy sickens me to no end.

Preacher

11-03-2008, 04:35 AM

then i guess maybe we really shouldn't bash those crazy arabs, for believing Allah wants us infidels destroyed......:noidea: .......i got no problem with what anybody believes in, or doesn't believe in.... thats on you...but when you start putting OTHER peoples lives on the line, because of YOUR beliefs.....your going to far. I wonder if she would feel this war was so righteous, had a democrat president initiated it.? on the flip side of it, i'd like to see how many of the democrats that oppose the war, would be supporting it, had a demo president initiated it. the bipartisan hypocracy sickens me to no end.

Your confusing two distinct issues... religion with God. I did NOT say PALIN was right, I asked, SPECIFICALLY, how Steelcity knew GOD didn't want it, as he seemed ASSURED God didn't. That is all. Or do you think, once again, God didn't want us in Germany? I have a difficult time with anyone attributing whether God does OR DOES NOT want us in war. Simply put, none of us are in God's war council, nor does he consult us concerning the future. .

As to the issue of religion and war, I DO have a problem when the reason for war is to spread religion at the tip of a sword (or gun, or any other weapon), especially when racial connotations are invoked. By the way, those who want us "infidels" destroyed are far and few inbetween in the Arab world comparatively. The sad part is, they have a loud microphone which has been overly amped.

(funny thing, as I type this, "Holy War" from Megadeth started playing on TV... I am watching thier concert on HDTV).

MasterOfPuppets

11-03-2008, 04:54 AM

Your confusing two distinct issues... religion with God. I did NOT say PALIN was right, I asked, SPECIFICALLY, how Steelcity knew GOD didn't want it, as he seemed ASSURED God didn't. That is all. Or do you think, once again, God didn't want us in Germany? I have a difficult time with anyone attributing whether God does OR DOES NOT want us in war. Simply put, none of us are in God's war council, nor does he consult us concerning the future. .

As to the issue of religion and war, I DO have a problem when the reason for war is to spread religion at the tip of a sword (or gun, or any other weapon), especially when racial connotations are invoked. By the way, those who want us "infidels" destroyed are far and few inbetween in the Arab world comparatively. The sad part is, they have a loud microphone which has been overly amped.

(funny thing, as I type this, "Holy War" from Megadeth started playing on TV... I am watching thier concert on HDTV).actually preacher.....thats what steelcity said. ...she scares him, because she believes she knows what God wants.......just like the crazy muslims who claim they know what allah wants.

Leftoverhard

11-03-2008, 10:46 AM

on the flip side of it, i'd like to see how many of the democrats that oppose the war, would be supporting it, had a demo president initiated it. the bipartisan hypocracy sickens me to no end.

I can say with absolute certainty that I would have been against the Invasion of Iraq if my own grandma was president. I very vocally opposed the sanctions on Iraq during the Clinton administration. I only include myself as a Dem here because I registered as one so i could vote in the primary/caucus - I'm much more liberal than most Dems. Bipartisan hypocrasy does indeed suck.

Hammer67

11-03-2008, 11:37 AM

I can say with absolute certainty that I would have been against the Invasion of Iraq if my own grandma was president. I very vocally opposed the sanctions on Iraq during the Clinton administration. I only include myself as a Dem here because I registered as one so i could vote in the primary/caucus - I'm much more liberal than most Dems. Bipartisan hypocrasy does indeed suck.

That is honorable. I find very few liberal democrats who were vocal when Clinton had his moments (Somalia, Bosnia, Iraq, etc.). Many on both sides of the isle have selective memory.

steelcity_88

11-03-2008, 01:43 PM

Let me simply focus on Obama here, as the rest of the answer is more about faith itself.

Obama is a disciple of black liberation theology. When people say he is a socialist, they are wrong. What they are picking up on is the liberation theology which has fused marxism with thomastic theology. He spent twenty years being discipled by his pastor in liberation theology, which teaches that the church MUST work to empower the (in this case, black) masses by shifting riches from the rich to the poor. To free them from the economic bondage (slavery or sin) is salvation.

That my friend, IS OBAMA'S 20 YEARS OF DISCIPLESHIP.

Now, go back and look at some of his statements about redistrubiting wealth, his wife's statement about being proud of America for the first time, etc. etc.

When Obama states that he is for the seperation of church and state, he has in mind the "Conservative Christianity." However, the heart of liberation theology is alive and well in Obama. My question, is why that wasn't challenged?

And by the way, how do you know God DOESN'T want us in iraq? Do you think God didn't want us in Germany in WWII? Are you insulted by the fact that FDR and Winston Churchill would lead in prayer, or that tbey even prayed together? I am not saying he does, but I am questioning your absolute belief that he doesn't.

I'm not questioning whether or not his church seemed a tad radical, it does. As I said, Rev. Wright is a nut. I held off on basing my opinion on the guy until his little "WHITE FOLKS CLAP LIKE THIS, BLACK FOLKS CLAP LIKE THIS" speech, followed by a dance. That is something that should be called into question, but I don't think we need to throw Obama under the bus for the comments Wright made. People very often can go to church and disagree with much that is said and preached. I'm sorry to say this, but I cannot respect those who believe everything they hear in their church. So to point and say "Obama must believe this, too!" is just a bit silly.

About his wife's comments, though. Perhaps it was just bad wording on her part about it being the first time she's proud of her country, or maybe she did mean it. But if she did, can you really blame the lady? She grew up in the Civil Rights era. You can love what your country stands for and can/will be again, but hate where it's at currently, I'm proof of this.

Leftoverhard

11-03-2008, 03:40 PM

That is honorable. I find very few liberal democrats who were vocal when Clinton had his moments (Somalia, Bosnia, Iraq, etc.). Many on both sides of the isle have selective memory.