It is already scientifically known that when you dream, and moreso when a person is about to die, there is a surge of DMT. People who have used DMT recreationally and for certain spiritual ceremonies have ALL spoken of the same effects – being propelled into an egoless existence in an otherwordly dimension where the “self” is merged with energy and ego is stripped, and grand visions are experienced, many of them being indescribable by those who went through it. All have also testified that time did not exist under the influence of DMT. Which is, if you hit the snooze button and fall back asleep for ten minutes, it can seem like you were asleep for hours.

So, if this is the case, then everyone who faces death will be propelled into that same hallucination, it will seem like an eternity and whenever it ends (if that happens), it will be of no consequence really (or will it).

Your thoughts?

I believe in a higher power, btw. Because when the DMT surge is happening, you are experiencing intense hallucinations that affect all senses and the concept of time is absent…that would be like existing after “death,” right? Jerry-The release of urine and feces do not provide hallucinations, unlike DMT. This is a link to first-hand accounts of people who have taken DMT: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_DMT.shtml Haha! I know it doesn’t really alter time. And noooo I have never did hallucinogens. I don’t think my mind could take the visions. But I find it extremely fascinating what people say they experience. *have never DONE hallucinogens*

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The problem with DMT is if you really “break-through” how do you explain the impossible? how do you describe the indescribable?

If you’re very lucky you’ll bring back maybe 5-10% of the experience. It’s so low because the majority of what you see is outside of ALL imagination. There are no words to describe it because we have no words TO describe it.

The other difference with DMT compared to other drugs is that you are in complete control of your faculties the whole way through. At no stage do you feel you are “tripping”. You are fully awake and aware that you’ve just been hurled through our spec of reality into the immense truth behind this reality.

With DMT it is the world that is replaced, instantly, it’s all gone! Reality is completely swapped out for something else vastly greater. It doesn’t even retain organic matter, three dimensional space or linear time as reference points.

While you’re there your mind is trying to rationalise what it is your witnessing but it simply has no language or any reference point at all to explain what you are witnessing.

You have to see for yourself, experience it for yourself. Only then can you begin to comprehend the sheer vastness of the experience.

It doesn’t provide proof, but the consistent accounts of losing the ego-self, time, and duality is significant and interesting data. That the experience is consistent with all people who return from it means there is a common thread.

Western culture is extremely bereft of spiritual meaning and materialistic. It’s tragic for those of us who have had experiences that suggest otherwise. Reading these responses is somewhat disheartening… people in Western society tend to live in a world that is flat— despite scientific evidence that consistently reveals there is more to existence than meets the human eye.

There is a lot of evidence to suggest spiritual people are psychologically healthier than those who subscribe to the materialistic paradigm. In the DMT “spirit molecule” documentary one researcher comments that our planet is literally in distress and dying, a challenge to the materialist outlook may be the very thing human evolution needs to survive.

DMT I’ve heard is also released when we are born and when we dream. Being released at birth would not readily explain the body “giving up”. As for dreaming, before Western industrial paradigm took over dreams were considered by ancestors to have profound direction and meaning for thousands of years.

There is no proof of an afterlife, but materialism/nothingness after death is not proven either. In fact, from a psychological vantage, it is healthier to believe something greater than the self exists, and from an anthropological sense, it is closer to all stories throughout human history before this Western one to believe psychedelic experiences (natural or induced) may be spiritually significant.

DMT visions are more than internal hallucinations. Manipulations of energy made while in Ayahuasca states can have an effect on the physical reality outside of the person who actually drank the Ayahuasca. One must either acknowledge that DMT can give an ordinary person telekinetic and healing powers or that DMT may be more of a misunderstood technology rather than a drug. Any technology significantly advanced is indistinguishable from magic (Arthur C. Clark). I have to admit that this statement sounds crazy, but unless you have experienced it yourself you can’t possibly imagine what DMT/Ayahuasca can do. For the record I am a highly educated (Master’s Degree in Engineering from an Ivy League School) member of the professional community who does not condone or support the use of drugs. I make this statement anonymously because my community of peers would not accept me saying this in a public forum.