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I have seen a lot of bots on Tarnished Coast, but don't really care that much. I am such a casual player, and independent of the economy (really just me, my wife and a few rl friends playing together) that their impact, while kind of annoying, does not do much to me one way or the other.

I do miss games where you could kill them or lead them off cliffs and things, those were the days. =)

After checking the your last 35 posts or so (which are 2/3rds about DF, and a few complaining about GW2): What do you base this on?

Do you actually play? Have you seen plenty of bots?

I never seen an obvious bot and I been playing for over 200 hours. In Linegae they were everywhere, but here no.

My main is a lvl70 thief.. i play every day not too much though as the first weeks. And yes i see bots in every area... a group of hunters running around farming, even events. I dont know why my last 35post has something to do with this... its a fact i see every day and its getting worse

It's a common "debate" tactic around here, and on gaming forums in general, to try and use someone's posting history (whether quantity or content) as a way to dismiss their arguments without actually ever addressing them.

Basically, "I don't like your arguments, but I can't effectively refute them. I'm still compelled to tell you you're wrong, so I'll just use something arbitrary and irrelevant against you instead. Let's see what your posting history is..."

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Originally posted by TangentPoint

It's a common "debate" tactic around here, and on gaming forums in general, to try and use someone's posting history (whether quantity or content) as a way to dismiss their arguments without actually ever addressing them.

Basically, "I don't like your arguments, but I can't effectively refute them. I'm still compelled to tell you you're wrong, so I'll just use something arbitrary and irrelevant against you instead. Let's see what your posting history is..."

After checking the your last 35 posts or so (which are 2/3rds about DF, and a few complaining about GW2): What do you base this on?

Do you actually play? Have you seen plenty of bots?

I never seen an obvious bot and I been playing for over 200 hours. In Linegae they were everywhere, but here no.

My main is a lvl70 thief.. i play every day not too much though as the first weeks. And yes i see bots in every area... a group of hunters running around farming, even events. I dont know why my last 35post has something to do with this... its a fact i see every day and its getting worse

It's a common "debate" tactic around here, and on gaming forums in general, to try and use someone's posting history (whether quantity or content) as a way to dismiss their arguments without actually ever addressing them.

Basically, "I don't like your arguments, but I can't effectively refute them. I'm still compelled to tell you you're wrong, so I'll just use something arbitrary and irrelevant against you instead. Let's see what your posting history is..."

If you're not used to it yet, you will be.

May I remind you that while critic is permitted, one of the rules of these forums is also that excessive bashing of the same game by the same is not authorized. An account with 25+ posts all bashing GW2 and all repeating basically the same stuff over and over is obviously on an agenda, and breaking that rule. And some here are way beyond the 25+ posts of repetitive GW2 bashing.

How does it apply to this thread? There are already several threads about bots, one on first page with a lot of posts in it already. Getting old for those who try to communicate about the game, and not against it.

After checking the your last 35 posts or so (which are 2/3rds about DF, and a few complaining about GW2): What do you base this on?

Do you actually play? Have you seen plenty of bots?

I never seen an obvious bot and I been playing for over 200 hours. In Linegae they were everywhere, but here no.

My main is a lvl70 thief.. i play every day not too much though as the first weeks. And yes i see bots in every area... a group of hunters running around farming, even events. I dont know why my last 35post has something to do with this... its a fact i've seen every day and its getting worse

It was the same crap back with Aion.

There armies of bots were constantly clearing entire quest areas of mobs. It was disgusting.

We reported every single bot, but when we still saw the exact same bots on the exact same spot farming over a week later, we all hit the Cancel button and left that craptastic game.

NCSoft has never really cared about bots and never will.

Yeah that's most infuriating and saddening-disappointing feeling when you report botter or gold spammer and you know that multiple other people have reported it as well - because you asked them to personally + by chance someone had to and you still see exactly same bot and exactly same gold spammer farmer (or /and same cheater in some games) still existing for WEEKS and sometimes MONTHS.

I've kinda stopped being so tolerant for game devs. If I report bot and I know that at leat 10 other people reported it also and days and weeks later I still see same bot doing it (frequently in exactly same spot) then there is no forgiving from me - jsut stop playing is only good solution imo.

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Originally posted by The_Korrigan

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May I remind you that while critic is permitted, one of the rules of these forums is also that excessive bashing of the same game by the same is not authorized. An account with 25+ posts all bashing GW2 and all repeating basically the same stuff over and over is obviously on an agenda, and breaking that rule. And some here are way beyond the 25+ posts of repetitive GW2 bashing.

How does it apply to this thread? There are already several threads about bots, one on first page with a lot of posts in it already. Getting old for those who try to communicate about the game, and not against it.

I'm pretty sure I saw another guy in a thread admitting that was bashing TSW just because he hated Funcom and wanted to see the company go bankrupt. So it's not solely a GW2 phenomenon, for good or bad. Also consolidating the posts here and on the official forums won't solve the issues. And the issues (botting, hacking etc.) is what will drive people away from the game, not some forum whining. I like to believe that the majority reading these forums, are at least somewhat fire-proof and nonsense-repelant by now.

The problem is not merely the bots, it's the lack of safe checks. You may have bots in every game out there, but it's absurd that said bots (or players) can teleport around, run at max speed etc.

The issues start to infest WvW. Here's a thread about actual players flying around or porting and destroying orb altar from a fully fortified keep.

After checking the your last 35 posts or so (which are 2/3rds about DF, and a few complaining about GW2): What do you base this on?

Do you actually play? Have you seen plenty of bots?

I never seen an obvious bot and I been playing for over 200 hours. In Linegae they were everywhere, but here no.

My main is a lvl70 thief.. i play every day not too much though as the first weeks. And yes i see bots in every area... a group of hunters running around farming, even events. I dont know why my last 35post has something to do with this... its a fact i see every day and its getting worse

It's a common "debate" tactic around here, and on gaming forums in general, to try and use someone's posting history (whether quantity or content) as a way to dismiss their arguments without actually ever addressing them.

Basically, "I don't like your arguments, but I can't effectively refute them. I'm still compelled to tell you you're wrong, so I'll just use something arbitrary and irrelevant against you instead. Let's see what your posting history is..."

If you're not used to it yet, you will be.

May I remind you that while critic is permitted, one of the rules of these forums is also that excessive bashing of the same game by the same is not authorized. An account with 25+ posts all bashing GW2 and all repeating basically the same stuff over and over is obviously on an agenda, and breaking that rule. And some here are way beyond the 25+ posts of repetitive GW2 bashing.

How does it apply to this thread? There are already several threads about bots, one on first page with a lot of posts in it already. Getting old for those who try to communicate about the game, and not against it.

^this

Pointing out someones posting history is one of the most valid responses there is simply it is a actuall record of ones behaviour and when this history shows a new acount with 25 posts and all 25 do nothing but bash then it becomes quite obvious and anyone can acces this history. It is right there for everyone to see.

If he posts "gw2 is a asian grinder!!11" 25 times exclusivly in a gw2 forum on a new account then what do you think he is doing ?

Not everything has to be all happy and positive of course but a troll = a troll and should be allowed to be pointed out and what better way to point it out then to view and point at their own public record on the matter?!

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Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by TangentPoint

It's a common "debate" tactic around here, and on gaming forums in general, to try and use someone's posting history (whether quantity or content) as a way to dismiss their arguments without actually ever addressing them.

Basically, "I don't like your arguments, but I can't effectively refute them. I'm still compelled to tell you you're wrong, so I'll just use something arbitrary and irrelevant against you instead. Let's see what your posting history is..."

If you're not used to it yet, you will be.

Fallacy of origin.

Not at all. A poster's post history was called into question in order to diminish the value of their point-of-view. There's no fallacy here at all.

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Originally posted by TangentPoint

Originally posted by bcbully

Originally posted by TangentPoint

It's a common "debate" tactic around here, and on gaming forums in general, to try and use someone's posting history (whether quantity or content) as a way to dismiss their arguments without actually ever addressing them.

Basically, "I don't like your arguments, but I can't effectively refute them. I'm still compelled to tell you you're wrong, so I'll just use something arbitrary and irrelevant against you instead. Let's see what your posting history is..."

If you're not used to it yet, you will be.

Fallacy of origin.

Not at all. A poster's post history was called into question in order to diminish the value of their point-of-view. There's no fallacy here at all.

If it is his own posting history that has this effect then that all by itself says enough.

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Originally posted by Xten

May I remind you that while critic is permitted, one of the rules of these forums is also that excessive bashing of the same game by the same is not authorized. An account with 25+ posts all bashing GW2 and all repeating basically the same stuff over and over is obviously on an agenda, and breaking that rule. And some here are way beyond the 25+ posts of repetitive GW2 bashing.

How does it apply to this thread? There are already several threads about bots, one on first page with a lot of posts in it already. Getting old for those who try to communicate about the game, and not against it.

^this

Pointing out someones posting history is one of the most valid responses there is simply it is a actaull record of ones behaviour and when this history shows a new acount with 25 posts and all 25 do nothing but bash then it becomes quite obvious and anyone can acces this history. It is right there for everyone to see.

If he posts "gw2 is a asian grinder!!11" 25 times exclusivly in a gw2 forum on a new account then what do you think he is doing ?

Not everything has to be all happy and positive of course but a troll = a troll and should be allowed to be pointed out and what better way to point it out then to view and point at their own public record on the matter?!

I disagree.

First of all, given how loosely the term "bashing" is used around here to basically mean "any and all criticism of a game I like", saying a poster has 25, 50 or even 100 posts of "bashing the game" or "posting excessively negative comments" is dubious at best, as it comes from an already biased and heavily skewed perspective.

Further, I'm pretty sure it's the moderators' place to make that determination, not self-appointed forum police trying to protect "their game" from criticism.

As long as the poster remains within the forum TOS as decided by the mods, they're doing nothing wrong in posting critical or even negative opinions of the game - forum member assertions to the contrary notwithstanding.

If the OP is guilty of anything, it's posting a new thread on a topic that already has threads dedicated to it. They're not guilty of pointing out the botting problem in GW2, regardless of their post history.

Maybe it'd be easier to just accept that some people are as likely to post negative opinions on a game they're not crazy about as others are to post all positive comments

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Originally posted by Xasapis

Well, it's kind of hilarious to watch the double standards. Anything good and it's all Anet and NCsoft has zero say or can get any credit for. Anything bad and it's all NCsoft's fault and Anet is powerless and not at fault.

Sorry, can't have it both ways.

What is NC softs fault is that they use email adresses as usernames, it is their standard which their partners just have to live with,

The rest is of course ANETs fault, but the bot problem is a storm in a waterglass. Account hacking is a real problem, and ANET really should restore hacked accounts items and characters at least, complain on that instead if you want to complain instead.

That is ArenaNet's fault not NCSoft, NCSoft was originally a unique username while Guild Wars opted for e-mail addresses as their usernames and carried it over to Guild Wars 2. NCSoft recently adopted the same style of login for their games with NC Account, however they don't share the same database, this is why the Guild Wars games can't be migrated over to the new NC Account system (only AION and Lineage 2.)

So no it's not NCSoft fault that Guild Wars 2 uses your e-mail address as your username, it's just business as usual for ArenaNet and if anything it would be more accurate to say ArenaNet influenced NCSoft's new NC Account management though I doubt it.

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Originally posted by TangentPoint

Originally posted by Xten

May I remind you that while critic is permitted, one of the rules of these forums is also that excessive bashing of the same game by the same is not authorized. An account with 25+ posts all bashing GW2 and all repeating basically the same stuff over and over is obviously on an agenda, and breaking that rule. And some here are way beyond the 25+ posts of repetitive GW2 bashing.

How does it apply to this thread? There are already several threads about bots, one on first page with a lot of posts in it already. Getting old for those who try to communicate about the game, and not against it.

^this

Pointing out someones posting history is one of the most valid responses there is simply it is a actaull record of ones behaviour and when this history shows a new acount with 25 posts and all 25 do nothing but bash then it becomes quite obvious and anyone can acces this history. It is right there for everyone to see.

If he posts "gw2 is a asian grinder!!11" 25 times exclusivly in a gw2 forum on a new account then what do you think he is doing ?

Not everything has to be all happy and positive of course but a troll = a troll and should be allowed to be pointed out and what better way to point it out then to view and point at their own public record on the matter?!

I disagree.

First of all, given how loosely the term "bashing" is used around here to basically mean "any and all criticism of a game I like", saying a poster has 25, 50 or even 100 posts of "bashing the game" or "posting excessively negative comments" is dubious at best, as it comes from an already biased and heavily skewed perspective.

Further, I'm pretty sure it's the moderators' place to make that determination, not self-appointed forum police trying to protect "their game" from criticism.

As long as the poster remains within the forum TOS as decided by the mods, they're doing nothing wrong in posting critical or even negative opinions of the game - forum member assertions to the contrary notwithstanding.

If the OP is guilty of anything, it's posting a new thread on a topic that already has threads dedicated to it. They're not guilty of pointing out the botting problem in GW2, regardless of their post history.

Maybe it'd be easier to just accept that some people are as likely to post negative opinions on a game they're not crazy about as others are to post all positive comments

Easier yes but better ? no.

easy does not equal better.

If someone decides to join a forum like this and do nothing but post negative comments on the subject then his motives will be questioned, you should not be surprised by this or try to deny anyone the right to do so since you do seem to push for his right to do so at the same time, a bit odd that.

It is like the example posted in this thread about the guy who at some point admitted that he hates funcom and how he would like to see them go bankrupt. What sort of worthwhile addition do you suppose his "opinion" on the matter will be ? None, would be my awnser since it would not matter to him to have a oppinion on any funcom game since he hates funcom to start with. So he has no need for a opinion but he may spread BS and lies and should not be pointed out for it according to you because it is his right and it is so much easier not to do this.

Why go easy on them ? Why do people like that have all the right to do so and others not the right to point it out according to you.

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After checking the your last 35 posts or so (which are 2/3rds about DF, and a few complaining about GW2): What do you base this on?

Do you actually play? Have you seen plenty of bots?

I never seen an obvious bot and I been playing for over 200 hours. In Linegae they were everywhere, but here no.

You have not been playing in the 30-40 level areas. Lornar's pass had two bots running all morning (ET) Saturday and Sunday around the cave in the middle with the skill point and the Norn (?) camp to the south east of the skill point. In the zone to the west of it there is a big camp and there were at least 3-4 bots doing endless loops around the right side of the camp. Those are just two of the several that I met. I reported the Lornar Pass bots but nothing has been done (though it was a weekend so I will cut ANet some slack).

These are not multi-boxers - these are bots. They run the same pattern ALL the time. I watched the skill cave bot for almost an hour as I moved around the area - they never deviated.