As indicated by others above, it has already been discussed and deemed legal. If there are issues other than what has been discussed previously, I will leave this thread open for another day for that purpose.

With an example given previously; If we had 12 people in the red container, should that red container be removed simply because it could be an easy win? I don't think so. Technically any location could be considered a win spot with enough humans, but that is not the criteria of an illegal spot. Especially since the spot above the pipes does not require a crouch entry and humans successfully tagged in that location.

Infact I am saying the chances of that spot failing is more if there are a lot of ppl over there. (Also counting on the fact that they are noobs)

About the red container :

3 Ppl can hold that spot for a long long time Harvey, we have won more with 3 ppl taking their respective lanes than 8 - 10 ppl shooting randomly and doing their usual asshattery.

I post this just to show you how the White Tubes usually go. And thats how it always goes.

So all I am saying is these days, almost 90% of the zombies just give up and go afk for the round or disconnect when they see Humans over there.

This spot is causing a lot of grief for almost all the players. Everyone keeps askin the admins why its still legal and our answer as usual after telling them about the previous discussion is "If you still have a problem with it take it to the forum".

Infact I am saying the chances of that spot failing is more if there are a lot of ppl over there. (Also counting on the fact that they are noobs)

About the red container :

3 Ppl can hold that spot for a long long time Harvey, we have won more with 3 ppl taking their respective lanes than 8 - 10 ppl shooting randomly and doing their usual asshattery.

I post this just to show you how the White Tubes usually go. And thats how it always goes.

So all I am saying is these days, almost 90% of the zombies just give up and go afk for the round or disconnect when they see Humans over there.

This spot is causing a lot of grief for almost all the players. Everyone keeps askin the admins why its still legal and our answer as usual after telling them about the previous discussion is "If you still have a problem with it take it to the forum".

That is an interesting point. How many of you feel that keeping this location is detrimental to play causing players to leave/disconnect vs. although legal but challenging location for zombies?

After encountering this map quite a bit, I think this spot needs some serious debate.

I went in to the map in my own server and found the only way to get on top of the pipes was to push a vending machine in front of them as a step. You cannot go from the sides to get to the back. Furthermore, you are only standing in the middle of the pipes. If people are on the back sides, you have to go from the middle.

As for one person holding it down, I watched two rounds where only one person was able to hold it down against multiple zombies. I found it very difficult (if not impossible for me) to be able to get on the pipes using a zombie underneath me..considering the middle entry is the only plausible option.

After encountering this map quite a bit, I think this spot needs some serious debate.

I went in to the map in my own server and found the only way to get on top of the pipes was to push a vending machine in front of them as a step. You cannot go from the sides to get to the back. Furthermore, you are only standing in the middle of the pipes. If people are on the back sides, you have to go from the middle.

As for one person holding it down, I watched two rounds where only one person was able to hold it down against multiple zombies. I found it very difficult (if not impossible for me) to be able to get on the pipes using a zombie underneath me..considering the middle entry is the only plausible option.

Only two ways up. Middle and Left. Right is clipped by the... Big red thing.

The only way to get into either of those spots is to be boosted by either a partner or prop. NO you can't fucking crouch/jump up there unless you have donator skins.

This spot has failed but it's not very consistent. Even with the last humans being in that spot, all the zombies trying to get up there, we still can't.

And it only gets worse once the spot has succeeded since ALL the fucking noobs go where the winning spot is. Then this spot becomes used every round and every round it never fails.

Over and over this spot is abused. I agree with Femme this spot should be illegal.

This spot may fail 1:10 tries. I think this is an unfair spot.

Re-reading my post I don't understand what I'm saying but it sounded right in my head.

Thanks for bumping this, I had forgotten to include M_Infantry's original post on a valid illegal spot. Official page has been update to reflect the location: http://www.plaguefest.com/harvey/illegalspots/zm_lila_panic_pfcf1.html