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Wow! That really escalated quickly! I was expecting the threat of the Apocalypse Twins to kind of remain in the background for a little while before exploding, but nope, they’re fully grown in this issue and are wreaking glorious destruction. They kill a Celestial for fuck’s sake! That is hardcore. I think this issue may be the best work of Daniel Acuna’s career so far, he is just perfect for drawing Celestials and other cosmic stuff, the bit space set-pieces here were truly awesome.

But Acuna also equips himself well with the smaller, character stuff, as the Uncanny Avengers deal with the fall-out of Rogue killing Grim Reaper. I think it’s very interesting that Remender is really exploring the PR side of being a superhero team. In this issue the more immediate threat to the team isn’t Apocalypse or the Red Skull, it’s the media! It’s a different take, but it really works for this team. I especially liked the scene where Wasp uses her fashion-design background to show how she can make Mutants cool, make them hipster fashion items. This is building on the kind of stuff Grant Morrison did in New X-Men, and I find it fascinating.

Also interesting is the fact that Wasp flirts with Havok, that would be a strange relationship for sure. I also really dug the stuff with Wonder Man and Scarlet Witch, Remender is dealing with stuff that was brought up way back in the Busiek/Perez days and then dropped, and the inner fanboy in me is delighted to see it being used. I should also give props to the brilliantly old-school and bombastic narration Remender is using in this book, it may not be for everyone, but it really adds to the scope of the title. I’m all for letting artists tell the story themselves, but sometimes you need some Kirby-esque over the top narration.

Staff Writer

Wow! That really escalated quickly! I was expecting the threat of the Apocalypse Twins to kind of remain in the background for a little while before exploding, but nope, they’re fully grown in this issue and are wreaking glorious destruction. They kill a Celestial for fuck’s sake! That is hardcore. I think this issue may be the best work of Daniel Acuna’s career so far, he is just perfect for drawing Celestials and other cosmic stuff, the bit space set-pieces here were truly awesome.

But Acuna also equips himself well with the smaller, character stuff, as the Uncanny Avengers deal with the fall-out of Rogue killing Grim Reaper. I think it’s very interesting that Remender is really exploring the PR side of being a superhero team. In this issue the more immediate threat to the team isn’t Apocalypse or the Red Skull, it’s the media! It’s a different take, but it really works for this team. I especially liked the scene where Wasp uses her fashion-design background to show how she can make Mutants cool, make them hipster fashion items. This is building on the kind of stuff Grant Morrison did in New X-Men, and I find it fascinating.

Also interesting is the fact that Wasp flirts with Havok, that would be a strange relationship for sure. I also really dug the stuff with Wonder Man and Scarlet Witch, Remender is dealing with stuff that was brought up way back in the Busiek/Perez days and then dropped, and the inner fanboy in me is delighted to see it being used. I should also give props to the brilliantly old-school and bombastic narration Remender is using in this book, it may not be for everyone, but it really adds to the scope of the title. I’m all for letting artists tell the story themselves, but sometimes you need some Kirby-esque over the top narration.

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The Celestial stuff was awesome! I enjoyed the art on this story a lot as well.

Part of me wishes Rogue wasn't there. She just feels off. I've never liked her but she's absolutely bratty and it annoys me. I almost want Remender to use someone else. Too bad the pickings are slim in the X-women pool.

I too loved the narration. Its something about silver age comics that I miss in today's comics.

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The Celestial stuff was awesome! I enjoyed the art on this story a lot as well.

Part of me wishes Rogue wasn't there. She just feels off. I've never liked her but she's absolutely bratty and it annoys me. I almost want Remender to use someone else. Too bad the pickings are slim in the X-women pool.

I too loved the narration. Its something about silver age comics that I miss in today's comics.

Fagorstorm

Keb wrote:The Celestial stuff was awesome! I enjoyed the art on this story a lot as well.

Part of me wishes Rogue wasn't there. She just feels off. I've never liked her but she's absolutely bratty and it annoys me. I almost want Remender to use someone else. Too bad the pickings are slim in the X-women pool.

I too loved the narration. Its something about silver age comics that I miss in today's comics.

Um when did Rogue and Magneto hook up in 616?

Their romance started in the Claremont/Lee issues of Uncanny X-Men (somewhere around 270 or so). The romance started because they were both alone and de-powered, fighting to protect each other from dinosaurs and other prehistoric creatures in the Savage Land. Magneto ditched Rogue after he got his powers back shortly before the Claremont/Lee X-Men #1.

Fagorstorm

Keb wrote:The Celestial stuff was awesome! I enjoyed the art on this story a lot as well.

Part of me wishes Rogue wasn't there. She just feels off. I've never liked her but she's absolutely bratty and it annoys me. I almost want Remender to use someone else. Too bad the pickings are slim in the X-women pool.

I too loved the narration. Its something about silver age comics that I miss in today's comics.

Um when did Rogue and Magneto hook up in 616?

Their romance started in the Claremont/Lee issues of Uncanny X-Men (somewhere around 270 or so). The romance started because they were both alone and de-powered, fighting to protect each other from dinosaurs and other prehistoric creatures in the Savage Land. Magneto ditched Rogue after he got his powers back shortly before the Claremont/Lee X-Men #1.

Rain Partier

the characterization is just killing this book for me, as it feels like Remender's just forcing conflict where he really shouldn't have to. Jan's a vapid skank slutting it up to Havok, Rogue's a petulant child, Wanda's a petty shrew, Wonder Man's a pacifist pussy...even Havok who I thought Remender got pretty well the first few issues feels off here. the story's finally grabbing me, and the action is great, but I don't recognize these characters.

Rain Partier

the characterization is just killing this book for me, as it feels like Remender's just forcing conflict where he really shouldn't have to. Jan's a vapid skank slutting it up to Havok, Rogue's a petulant child, Wanda's a petty shrew, Wonder Man's a pacifist pussy...even Havok who I thought Remender got pretty well the first few issues feels off here. the story's finally grabbing me, and the action is great, but I don't recognize these characters.

Rain Partier

Johnny Smith wrote:Their romance started in the Claremont/Lee issues of Uncanny X-Men (somewhere around 270 or so). The romance started because they were both alone and de-powered, fighting to protect each other from dinosaurs and other prehistoric creatures in the Savage Land. Magneto ditched Rogue after he got his powers back shortly before the Claremont/Lee X-Men #1.

For some reason, I feel like Lobdell wrote a Rogue/Magneto pairing, too. Or was it Rogue/Joseph?

Rain Partier

Johnny Smith wrote:Their romance started in the Claremont/Lee issues of Uncanny X-Men (somewhere around 270 or so). The romance started because they were both alone and de-powered, fighting to protect each other from dinosaurs and other prehistoric creatures in the Savage Land. Magneto ditched Rogue after he got his powers back shortly before the Claremont/Lee X-Men #1.

For some reason, I feel like Lobdell wrote a Rogue/Magneto pairing, too. Or was it Rogue/Joseph?

Rain Partier

chap22 wrote:the characterization is just killing this book for me, as it feels like Remender's just forcing conflict where he really shouldn't have to. Jan's a vapid skank slutting it up to Havok, Rogue's a petulant child, Wanda's a petty shrew, Wonder Man's a pacifist pussy...even Havok who I thought Remender got pretty well the first few issues feels off here. the story's finally grabbing me, and the action is great, but I don't recognize these characters.

Agreed. Remender also just wont let go of the stupid Apocalypse story. Its what killed his X-Force run for me.

Rain Partier

chap22 wrote:the characterization is just killing this book for me, as it feels like Remender's just forcing conflict where he really shouldn't have to. Jan's a vapid skank slutting it up to Havok, Rogue's a petulant child, Wanda's a petty shrew, Wonder Man's a pacifist pussy...even Havok who I thought Remender got pretty well the first few issues feels off here. the story's finally grabbing me, and the action is great, but I don't recognize these characters.

Agreed. Remender also just wont let go of the stupid Apocalypse story. Its what killed his X-Force run for me.

Rain Partier

Punchy wrote:His entire run on X-Force was about Apocalypse, there was barely an issue that wasn't about him in some way. It didn't kill his run, it was his run, it's what made it great.

Not for me. It went too long. There were a ton of bad guys he could have set his teams against and he keeps coming back to Apocalypse. I'm just tired of it and his bad characterization of half of this team is enough for me to consider dropping it. I love Remender's creator owned stuff but his Marvel work is just not that great.

Rain Partier

Punchy wrote:His entire run on X-Force was about Apocalypse, there was barely an issue that wasn't about him in some way. It didn't kill his run, it was his run, it's what made it great.

Not for me. It went too long. There were a ton of bad guys he could have set his teams against and he keeps coming back to Apocalypse. I'm just tired of it and his bad characterization of half of this team is enough for me to consider dropping it. I love Remender's creator owned stuff but his Marvel work is just not that great.

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chap22 wrote:the characterization is just killing this book for me, as it feels like Remender's just forcing conflict where he really shouldn't have to. Jan's a vapid skank slutting it up to Havok, Rogue's a petulant child, Wanda's a petty shrew, Wonder Man's a pacifist pussy...even Havok who I thought Remender got pretty well the first few issues feels off here. the story's finally grabbing me, and the action is great, but I don't recognize these characters.

They kind of need that. Otherwise they'd just be vacuous and boring and this would be another Avengers team beating up kids and blowing stuff up. While I find the characters a little extreme, I like that he's got every mutant on Scarlet Witch's case and her on the extreme defensive.

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chap22 wrote:the characterization is just killing this book for me, as it feels like Remender's just forcing conflict where he really shouldn't have to. Jan's a vapid skank slutting it up to Havok, Rogue's a petulant child, Wanda's a petty shrew, Wonder Man's a pacifist pussy...even Havok who I thought Remender got pretty well the first few issues feels off here. the story's finally grabbing me, and the action is great, but I don't recognize these characters.

They kind of need that. Otherwise they'd just be vacuous and boring and this would be another Avengers team beating up kids and blowing stuff up. While I find the characters a little extreme, I like that he's got every mutant on Scarlet Witch's case and her on the extreme defensive.

Rain Partier

Keb wrote:They kind of need that. Otherwise they'd just be vacuous and boring and this would be another Avengers team beating up kids and blowing stuff up. While I find the characters a little extreme, I like that he's got every mutant on Scarlet Witch's case and her on the extreme defensive.

Rain Partier

Keb wrote:They kind of need that. Otherwise they'd just be vacuous and boring and this would be another Avengers team beating up kids and blowing stuff up. While I find the characters a little extreme, I like that he's got every mutant on Scarlet Witch's case and her on the extreme defensive.