keep the victory just slap a virtue oled board in it and its better then the demon!

Sounds like a guy who never shot a Demon. I've owned both...currently own the Demon...

Demon is more affordable and already comes with an OLED board and more stuff than the BL gun does. Once you add all the required upgrades to the Vic, so you can compare them equally, you'll still realize they don't compare.

Biased opinion alert, Your only saying that because your sponsored by vanguard.
I've shot both a Demon and many different marq's and Victories, I would take a vic any day over a demon. There's no such thing as "Required upgrades"

So, to compare apples to apples, the $1500 Vic REQUIRES you to UPGRADE the board to OLED.

The Demon shoots smoother than the Victory does too. I know Bob Long, when I was looking for a gun sponsors to replace my Luxe after Smart Parts (my previous gun sponsor) went out of business, I went to Bob and I went to Vanguard. I got a Vic and a Creed. Dollar for Dollar, Vanguard was the better marker when you compared performance aspects. The Creed came with a barrel kit, OLED board, and all the tools to maintain the marker. Plus other unnecessary fun bits. The Vic came with a single barrel, a Ryunjin Board. The Creed at the time retailed for $950, the Vic $1175. The upgrades needed in the Creed cost an additional $0. The upgrades for the vic to obtain optimal performance from that marker were 4C Eyes - $60, Supercharge - $50, Yakuza OLED Board $180, and a barrel kit of your choice, we'll call that $100. That made the cost of the Vic $1565 vs the Creeds $950. The Creed had the same air efficiency and I honestly felt was better than the Vic in reality. The Creed was also a smoother shooting marker than the Vic. The Vic was insanely fast in responsiveness. Felt great in the hand, balanced very well. I think it also had better machining tolerances than the Creed.

That's the Creed vs Vic. The Demon vs Vic is unfair to the Victory. Until you touch a demon and shoot it, don't even bother offering an opinion. Especially if you haven't used BOTH.

And as far as teching the Demon, I'll tech anybodies marker for them for free. That includes other markers as well, not just Vanguard markers. I have all the parts because yeah, I'M SPONSORED, OMG that means I can't have an honest bone in my body!!!! DO NOT TRUST ME!!!

And to be fair, that new milling on the Vic is gorgeous, it's a beautiful marker. It's a very solid, nice shooting marker. There is nothing wrong with it. I just think that the Vanguard product is a better product, and considering the price, a much better value.

Hence the reason, I CHOSE to be sponsored by them as opposed to the other option at the time. I hope anybody who has a sponsor has that sponsor because they believe in the product.

get the vic. the deamon is too new and if theres issues it will be hard to work on.

It's not hard to work on, and if anybody finds themselves needing help with any Vanguard marker, just let me know, I'll get you taken care of immediately and at no cost. (At least for normal tech stuff. Can't give you a new grip frame if you break yours LOL).

The same applies to any other brand out there.

I want you all to enjoy the sport no matter what product you choose. If I can fix it, I'll be more than happy to, just ask.

I don't see how its "REQUIRED" that you buy a oled board.
IMO (And most people in this thread also seem to agree) Ripper>Demon, Even the regular old vics that you can find for ~$600 are nicer than the demons.

I don't see how its "REQUIRED" that you buy a oled board.
IMO (And most people in this thread also seem to agree) Ripper>Demon, Even the regular old vics that you can find for ~$600 are nicer than the demons.

Nic, admit publicly that you've never seen one in person, nor touched one, nor shot one...

haha. Mike is the only one with an intelligent post in this thread. I love vics and have never shot a demon, personally im not a big vanguard fan, but some of you are just bad at supporting anything you are saying. The ion post is douchebaggery at its finest..youre an idiot.

haha. Mike is the only one with an intelligent post in this thread. I love vics and have never shot a demon, personally im not a big vanguard fan, but some of you are just bad at supporting anything you are saying. The ion post is douchebaggery at its finest..youre an idiot.