Norm Coleman is a liar. Whether he was lying then or is lying now, he was lying at some point. Therefore he is a liar. Plain and simple.

Two days after the election, he had a razor-thin, less-than-300-vote lead when the votes were still being counted. He gave a press conference to claim victory, and said that if it were him on the bottom, he'd forgo the recount, and "step aside" to "let the healing begin." He chided Al Franken for going ahead with it, saying it would cost the taxpayers money. This, despite the fact that a recount is legally mandated in this state if the split in vote total is less than one-half of one percent of the total cast. Which it was. By several thousand votes.

Since then, despite the tables having tipped SKIGHTLY FURTHER in the other direction from where they were when HE was in the lead (not to mention the vote count having been under a microscope, and therefore much more accurate) he's been chucking every single monkey-wrench into the machine he possibly can in order to keep Franken from taking the seat that's rightfully his. Even though he knows there's not a chance in hell he can still win. Meanwhile, he's doing irreparable damage to himself, his party, and in fact, the whole country. All because the assholes in the GOP are terrified of that 60-seat, filibuster-proof majority. Because then they can't possibly continue to force their backward, revisionist agenda on the people who overwhelmingly rejected it at the polls.

To me, the fact that it's FRANKEN who is going to take it just makes it all the sweeter to me. The right puts him in the same box as Michael Moore and Bill Maher. So when he finally DOES get to take his seat, and serve the last 11/12ths of the term he was legally elected to to serve ALL of, I WILL BATHE IN THEIR TEARS.

You LOST, Republicans. Not because you didn't try hard enough, or because Obama is so popular. You lost because your social policies have hamstrung this country so badly that people rejected them wholesale. Plain and simple.

MaxxLarge:Norm Coleman is a liar. Whether he was lying then or is lying now, he was lying at some point. Therefore he is a liar. Plain and simple.

Two days after the election, he had a razor-thin, less-than-300-vote lead when the votes were still being counted. He gave a press conference to claim victory, and said that if it were him on the bottom, he'd forgo the recount, and "step aside" to "let the healing begin." He chided Al Franken for going ahead with it, saying it would cost the taxpayers money. This, despite the fact that a recount is legally mandated in this state if the split in vote total is less than one-half of one percent of the total cast. Which it was. By several thousand votes.

Since then, despite the tables having tipped SKIGHTLY FURTHER in the other direction from where they were when HE was in the lead (not to mention the vote count having been under a microscope, and therefore much more accurate) he's been chucking every single monkey-wrench into the machine he possibly can in order to keep Franken from taking the seat that's rightfully his. Even though he knows there's not a chance in hell he can still win. Meanwhile, he's doing irreparable damage to himself, his party, and in fact, the whole country. All because the assholes in the GOP are terrified of that 60-seat, filibuster-proof majority. Because then they can't possibly continue to force their backward, revisionist agenda on the people who overwhelmingly rejected it at the polls.

To me, the fact that it's FRANKEN who is going to take it just makes it all the sweeter to me. The right puts him in the same box as Michael Moore and Bill Maher. So when he finally DOES get to take his seat, and serve the last 11/12ths of the term he was legally elected to to serve ALL of, I WILL BATHE IN THEIR TEARS.

You LOST, Republicans. Not because you didn't try hard enough, or because Obama is so popular. You lost because your social policies have hamstrung this country so badly that people rejected them wholesale. Plain and simple.

MaxxLarge:Norm Coleman is a liar. Whether he was lying then or is lying now, he was lying at some point. Therefore he is a liar. Plain and simple.

Two days after the election, he had a razor-thin, less-than-300-vote lead when the votes were still being counted. He gave a press conference to claim victory, and said that if it were him on the bottom, he'd forgo the recount, and "step aside" to "let the healing begin." He chided Al Franken for going ahead with it, saying it would cost the taxpayers money. This, despite the fact that a recount is legally mandated in this state if the split in vote total is less than one-half of one percent of the total cast. Which it was. By several thousand votes.

Since then, despite the tables having tipped SKIGHTLY FURTHER in the other direction from where they were when HE was in the lead (not to mention the vote count having been under a microscope, and therefore much more accurate) he's been chucking every single monkey-wrench into the machine he possibly can in order to keep Franken from taking the seat that's rightfully his. Even though he knows there's not a chance in hell he can still win. Meanwhile, he's doing irreparable damage to himself, his party, and in fact, the whole country. All because the assholes in the GOP are terrified of that 60-seat, filibuster-proof majority. Because then they can't possibly continue to force their backward, revisionist agenda on the people who overwhelmingly rejected it at the polls.

To me, the fact that it's FRANKEN who is going to take it just makes it all the sweeter to me. The right puts him in the same box as Michael Moore and Bill Maher. So when he finally DOES get to take his seat, and serve the last 11/12ths of the term he was legally elected to to serve ALL of, I WILL BATHE IN THEIR TEARS.

You LOST, Republicans. Not because you didn't try hard enough, or because Obama is so popular. You lost because your social policies have hamstrung this country so badly that people rejected them wholesale. Plain and simple.

Nemo's BrotherJacobin: Well, to be fair, only 64% in the poll want Normie to quit his losing battle, so he must continue the battle.

That is only 2/3 of the people and neither 2 or 3 is a very large number.

I knew if someone applied some math to this issue, it would become clear and you have done so with irrefutable equations. The numbers 2 and 3 are quite small, and no doubt smaller than the population of Oregon, so I rest my case.

Not living in the state and not caring if they get farked by having only 1 senator I say fight on Coleman! your shenanigans have been entertaining thus far and I can only conclude that they will be in the future as well...

Headso:Not living in the state and not caring if they get farked by having only 1 senator I say fight on Coleman! your shenanigans have been entertaining thus far and I can only conclude that they will be in the future as well...

Especially when he loses. Even if he gets a magical do-over that he seems to be aiming for, he'll have to climb out of the pit he's dug by being an hypocritical bastard. Franken would probably still kick his ass with no problems.

The only thing that could make this better is if Olympia Snowe or a few other RINOs ditched the party and went over to Democratic so the Filibuster could go through anyway. The resulting hilarity of Norm being dropped by his friends as they try to spin this into something manageable would be hilarious.

randomjsa:How about we let Coleman get back to being a Senator? Since he, you know, won and everything.

Not only did he not win, as far as winning is defined by, you know, winning but his post election behavior and outright dishonesty and hipocrisy has exposed him as a person not suited to represent people in the Senate.

Float another Republican candidate next time but Coleman is not a worthy man.

MaxxLarge:Norm Coleman is a liar. Whether he was lying then or is lying now, he was lying at some point. Therefore he is a liar. Plain and simple.

Two days after the election, he had a razor-thin, less-than-300-vote lead when the votes were still being counted. He gave a press conference to claim victory, and said that if it were him on the bottom, he'd forgo the recount, and "step aside" to "let the healing begin." He chided Al Franken for going ahead with it, saying it would cost the taxpayers money. This, despite the fact that a recount is legally mandated in this state if the split in vote total is less than one-half of one percent of the total cast. Which it was. By several thousand votes.

Since then, despite the tables having tipped SKIGHTLY FURTHER in the other direction from where they were when HE was in the lead (not to mention the vote count having been under a microscope, and therefore much more accurate) he's been chucking every single monkey-wrench into the machine he possibly can in order to keep Franken from taking the seat that's rightfully his. Even though he knows there's not a chance in hell he can still win. Meanwhile, he's doing irreparable damage to himself, his party, and in fact, the whole country. All because the assholes in the GOP are terrified of that 60-seat, filibuster-proof majority. Because then they can't possibly continue to force their backward, revisionist agenda on the people who overwhelmingly rejected it at the polls.

To me, the fact that it's FRANKEN who is going to take it just makes it all the sweeter to me. The right puts him in the same box as Michael Moore and Bill Maher. So when he finally DOES get to take his seat, and serve the last 11/12ths of the term he was legally elected to to serve ALL of, I WILL BATHE IN THEIR TEARS.

You LOST, Republicans. Not because you didn't try hard enough, or because Obama is so popular. You lost because your social policies have hamstrung this country so badly that people rejected them wholesale. Plain and simple.

randomjsa:All2morrowsparTs: not according to the voters. Maybe to you, but not to the voters.

Well no, not according to the opinion polls of voters now who don't care any longer, but according to the voters on election day? Well, Coleman did win.

Tell me, who was the winner until a small group of people with demonstrated bias got involved? Hmm? Go ahead. Tell me.

You mean the majority Republican committees who looked over the ballots?

According to the laws of MN, such a close election means an automatic recount. Franken was determined the winner after a recount. It's like an automatic play review in a sport. The first call is reviewed and can be reversed. If you get given a penalty and then the call is reversed, you didn't really get a penalty, now did you?

According to the laws of Minnesota, Franken won. According to the laws of Florida, Bush won in 2000. Franken won because after a mandated recount he carried more votes.

randomjsa:Well no, not according to the opinion polls of voters now who don't care any longer, but according to the voters on election day? Well, Coleman did win.

Tell me, who was the winner until a small group of people with demonstrated bias got involved?

As you well know, on election day, and the week after and the week after, until today, there was no winner. By Minnesota Law. The recount... required by Minnesota Law. That "small group of people with demonstrated bias", also determined by Minnesota Law (not to mention their 'bias' skewed Republican, by political affiliation).

Someone already asked it: do you really think Minnesota Law should not be followed in the case of a Minnesota election?

Jacobin:Nemo's BrotherJacobin: Well, to be fair, only 64% in the poll want Normie to quit his losing battle, so he must continue the battle.

That is only 2/3 of the people and neither 2 or 3 is a very large number.

I knew if someone applied some math to this issue, it would become clear and you have done so with irrefutable equations. The numbers 2 and 3 are quite small, and no doubt smaller than the population of Oregon, so I rest my case.

MaxxLarge:Norm Coleman is a liar. Whether he was lying then or is lying now, he was lying at some point. Therefore he is a liar. Plain and simple.

Two days after the election, he had a razor-thin, less-than-300-vote lead when the votes were still being counted. He gave a press conference to claim victory, and said that if it were him on the bottom, he'd forgo the recount, and "step aside" to "let the healing begin." He chided Al Franken for going ahead with it, saying it would cost the taxpayers money. This, despite the fact that a recount is legally mandated in this state if the split in vote total is less than one-half of one percent of the total cast. Which it was. By several thousand votes.

Since then, despite the tables having tipped SKIGHTLY FURTHER in the other direction from where they were when HE was in the lead (not to mention the vote count having been under a microscope, and therefore much more accurate) he's been chucking every single monkey-wrench into the machine he possibly can in order to keep Franken from taking the seat that's rightfully his. Even though he knows there's not a chance in hell he can still win. Meanwhile, he's doing irreparable damage to himself, his party, and in fact, the whole country. All because the assholes in the GOP are terrified of that 60-seat, filibuster-proof majority. Because then they can't possibly continue to force their backward, revisionist agenda on the people who overwhelmingly rejected it at the polls.

To me, the fact that it's FRANKEN who is going to take it just makes it all the sweeter to me. The right puts him in the same box as Michael Moore and Bill Maher. So when he finally DOES get to take his seat, and serve the last 11/12ths of the term he was legally elected to to serve ALL of, I WILL BATHE IN THEIR TEARS.

You LOST, Republicans. Not because you didn't try hard enough, or because Obama is so popular. You lost because your social policies have hamstrung this country so badly that people rejected them wholesale. Plain and simple.

I hope Coleman loses this appeal and appeals for cert in SCOTUS. I hope SCOTUS, primarily in the form of Antonin "I'm a Fascist and I don't Care Who Knows It" Scalia and his buddy Clarence "Scalia" Thomas, tell him to fark off and EABOD. I hope Pawlentry's tears ever so slightly smudge the election certificate that will bear Franken's name (and Pawlenty's own signature). I hope Coleman-ites WHAAAARGAAAAARBL about this election as long as us Dems did about Gore (~4 years for most of the die-hards) and we nourish ourselves on the tears. I hope Franken's first vote is to block a filibuster of National (single-payer, plz) Health Care.

// I hope to wrangle a threeway with myself, Diora Baird and Kate Beckinsale

As much as I admire Franken and would like him to be sworn in ASAP, polls don't determine, laws do. Let the legal process complete and then we'll see where we stand. It's more important to have a clean winner.

This is reminiscent of Ellen Saurbrey's campaign. Basically she campaigned, and she lost, which would have been just like any other campaign except that she was on every gol-darned talk show on NPR (which sort of puts the lie to the whole "liberal bias" thing) complaining about... Well, that she lost.

She ended up being the Bush Administration's UN representative for women's health.