Why Les is not more.

I was just wondering if anyone could explain to me why we would want Les Miles as our coach? With his sleazy ness with over recruiting and the rumors of his negative recruiting against Michigan I don't want him anywhere near Schembechler Hall. Can any of you give me a good reason why he should be our coach other than he played here?

Dave Brandon said everyone who cares about Michigan Football has to support whomever he hires. So if you don't like Miles or Hoke or whomever we hire, quietly discontinue supporting Michigan or keep it to yourself. We are not Notre Dame.

I'm guessing there were some sort of internal problems the first time around that never allowed this to happen. With the RR firing, and a new AD with serious UM ties, I really hope he doesn't fuck this up.

after MIles stayed at LSU and we hired Rich Rod every Michigan fan decided that Miles was a cheating SEC bum but we seem to be ignoring the facts. Along with his SEC success he did well at Oklahoma State with less talent than a lot of other teams in that conference (including beating a couple of very good Oklahoma teams). His teams play great defense (at least at LSU) and play well against the good teams. He is 8-4 against Auburn and Alabama, 3-3 against Florida, and 6-3 in bowl games. While he has some exhibited some less than stellar behavior let's not forget that Rich Rod came to Michigan with some question marks. Yes, he has earned the name Mad Hatter but I would prefer that mentality over the mad-punter or mad-conservative. People point to his "clock managment" problems but I would rather go for it all on fourth down than punt to the other team and watch them they bleed the clock out (how many games did we lose under Lloyd that we should have won). He is going to bring a great staff, recruit well nationally, and win. Don't forget he is one of only 6 active coaches (Saban, Paterno, Tressel, Stoops, Brown) who have won a national championship and he did it in the SEC. Personally, I was dreaming of Harbaugh but Miles is the logical second choice so lets hope DB can get it done so we can move on with this freak show.

This could be the coach that tests the "winning solves everything" mantra that seems so prevalent. I have to think if LM were a girl, he'd be the one with thigh high black boots, big openly exposed tits, lots of make up, and kinda wild hair, a total slut. She would be fun to go out with and fun to be seen with in certain places. Introducing her to your parents and/or priest/pastor whatever could be interesting. And even though she rocks your world every night, she's so good that many came before you and many will probably come after you or perhaps while she is with you.

I have to think if LM were a girl, he'd be the one with thigh high black boots, big openly exposed tits, lots of make up, and kinda wild hair, a total slut. She would be fun to go out with and fun to be seen with in certain places. Introducing her to your parents and/or priest/pastor whatever could be interesting. And even though she rocks your world every night, she's so good that many came before you and many will probably come after you or perhaps while she is with you.

I don't like it either but the past week has been an eye-opener to a couple things:

A) Starting a coaching search on January 5th is a terrible decision.

B) Our situation is terrible enough that candidates aren't clamoring to be a UM head coach

I'm not a fan of Les Miles being our coach, namely for off-field issues but you can't deny that he gets things done on the field. I'm not terribly concerned about the oversigning because the Big Ten doesn't allow it anyway. It could backfire, but considering the apparent lack of interest from coaching targets, Miles seems to be the best option available

Why does everyone assume there is a lack of interest in the Michigan coaching job? The only person that we can pretty reasonably assume turned us down is Harbaugh, and he took an NFL job for tons of money basicly where he lives.

There isn't anyone else we know of who turned us down. Maybe some have. It is also possible DB had several candidates he wanted to consider and that over the last 5 days he has spoken to several and is in the process of deciding finalizing which one to hire.

I'm trying hard to be patient until Wednesday. After that I'll think about panicing with everyone else.

Fitzgerald, Pelini and Petersen are 3 names who flat out said they weren't interested. Whether we were giving them attention is unknown, but a decade ago, if this job came open, it's safe to assume coaches would be lining up to be interviewed.

....he isn't sleezy at all with regards to recruiting. If you worked in athletics, you would understand how recruiting works....no disrespect at all....I work in college athletics and at every level, you have kids and their parents upset for whatever reason because something happened to their son/daughter and MORE TIMES than not, it is 100% the kid's fault. The problem is that when the media grabs a hold of it and puts a microphone up to the coach's mouth, the coach has to take the high road and not completely dump on the kid or risk looking like an insensitive prick. Trust me,, this happens all the time and at all levels.

totally agree, but if you can do something like that and gain an advantage that everyone else in the conference is taking advantage of, you're going to be more apt to do it.(not saying I agree it's OK at all, I do think it's pretty messed up) But I also don't think he would even come close to getting away with it up here, especially with us being on probation.

So that makes it ok? Everyone acts like michigan is supposed to be the leaders and best but now everyone seems like we should just sink to this level because everyone else does. Sorry if I see a problem with that.

Chris Garrett wasn't competing hard enough for the starting qb position much less pushing the qb's ahead of him. At some point last season, coach Miles realized that Jefferson and Lee may not be the answer to LSU offensive woes so he approached Garrett about the possibility of him being a starter. He wanted Garrett to take more snaps during Spring practice and to apply himself more in the weight room. However, Garrett said that he was not ready to take on the responsibility of being a starter.

Les then released him of his scholarship. He yanked the scholarship because Garrett did not have the desire nor the fire to compete.

If you want to see all responses, its the one titled "Question for LSU fans"

EDIT: before anyone replies. I am not saying that this is the real truth, just something to consider.

Sorry I thought we just fired a coach who got crucified in the press for over practice. Now the at large favorite is a guy who just got hammered on espn for messing over kids he already had on campus. I don't see this going well.

Well if anything...the most important part to Les Miles is whether or not he is willing to continue our new found tradition of every 3rd kid having dreads. if he can do that then he is more than worth it.

Mostly due to the hypocrisy shown by the users here...I'm willing to bet some of you (no, not all of you) verbally pinned Rodriguez to a tree due to the violations here (which weren't his fault) and the "investigation" at WVU (which still hasn't found a damn thing).

Now those same people are perfectly okay with bringing in a coach who very clearly oversigns and cuts kids even if they are already moved in, then refuses to talk to them and lies about them to the media. I don't care if he "could get away with it" here at Michigan; the fact that he does it at all and finds it acceptable throws up red flags for me.

As this site explicitly reported, the compliance issues started in 2007. Without the complete failure of those responsible to file CARA forms, it's likely the violations never would have been publicly reported. Blame Rich Rod all you want, but all he did was trust people getting paid to do their damn jobs to do at least a shred of their damn jobs. That much he is guilty of.

And no, this doesn't render my signature obsolete. An "excuse" implies a modicum of guilt.

To the OP, and everyone else who thinks Miles is morally unfit to coach:

Say what you want now, but if Miles becomes our coach, shut the hell up. The media will do its own thing, and there will always be critics of a hire (especially one that's not Jim Harbaugh). There is no "everyone agrees" situation, here. But if we allow this rift to continue to grow, we are completely, unmitigatedly fucked.

I am on the fence about Miles. My post wasn't about whether you agree with me. I honestly couldn't give a rat's ass if you do or not. And yes, this is a forum for stating your opinion. My opinion is: if we don't come together behind the new coach no matter who it is, we are in for the same kind of shit we've been dealing with the last 3 years.

You're more than welcome to believe what you want about any of our coaching candidates. But when one of them puts on maize and blue, we need to support him. Period.

Whatever if you guys don't have a problem with Miles thats your opinion great. I guess I just don't want to listen to anymore B.S about how Michigan has higher standards than everyone else if we hire Miles.

will still be a higher standard for recruits, and a higher education standard overall. But since you say that once Miles becomes coach that is all gone, then I would expect Dorsey, and Kinard, and all the other recruits who had trouble getting in to be immediately admitted. Hey maybe you can take their tests for them, what do ya say?

The center of gravity on this board was vehemently anti-Les as recently as yesterday. Now that he appears to be our next coach, anyone who dares criticize him gets neg-bombed. I mean I'm all for support the coach once he's named, but in the meantime, the inconsistency kind of bothers me.

There's a question as to whether he should have been vilified in the first place. People are trying to reconcile the fact that we've spent the last three years convincing ourselves "we're better off without him" with the reality that "yeah, well, we should have just hired him in the first place."

Is anyone anywhere ever going to satify this fanbase? Look, there is no perfect "Michigan Man". He doesn't exist, never has. It was reference that Bo made up when a current basketball coach took a job at another school while employed at Michigan.

Bo wasn't one, neither was Yost according to this fanbase. Jim Harbaugh was our best option, that ship sailed. Why, ask MSC and LC antheir freakin' minions. Les Miles looks like he won't happen either thanks to LC and his cronies who want their version of a head coach that has no credible reason to coach here except for the fuckin nepotism of LC.

At the rate this program is deteriorating, we won't be able to compete in the MAC as we watch all our recruits flock to other STABLE programs. Who knows if any current players will transfer and all the while the MSM and fanbases around the country laugh at this administration and its inability to land a quality coach.

Les Miles is the best "available" choice. Patterson is not going to leave TCU after getting them into the easiest AQ conference and Gruden wouldn't leave the booth for this mess.

If Hoke comes here, you might as well put LC in booth. This program needs leadership and unfortunately, DB doesn't seem to know it when he sees it.

....slander is more like when RR completely blamed the entire 2007 3-9 debacle on Schaefer. Saying that RM would have stayed at UM with a coach with a more suitable offense is just playing the percentages....certainly falls short of slander.

Have you researched the "oversigning" issue by Les yourself, or are you repeating a known "fact"? Were you there when the supposed sleazy transactions took place, or are you taking someone's (bitter) words for true?

Rumors are a dime a dozen. Hell, according to rumors, we already have 3 coaches next year. According to rumors, Lloyd Carr is the devil incarnate, sabotaging his enemies regardless of the cost to Michigan, the school he loves (let me say that, while I never believed LC to be a GREAT football coach, I have always believed him to be a great MAN and a GOOD coach, one that I'd be honored to have my son play for).

We need a winnner; Les is a proven winner. We need someone that wants to be here; if LM takes the job, it's because he's coming home and wants to turn us around. We need a big name that can turn around our defense and our recruiting class; LSU has been known for its defense under LM, and has had very highly regarded recruiting classes. We need a coach that can, and will, beat OSU (and MSU and ND); LM has shown that he can beat OSU.

Above all else, the new coach needs the support of the UM faithful. RR never had that (even before he lost a game). I am not saying the coach of UM is above reproach; that if he comes in and oversigns; or treats poorly the boys that come to Michigan to play footballl and become men, true Michigan Men; or cheats in other ways implied by the rumors about LM, that he should be supported without question. I am saying that those that dislike him, for whatever reason, that make up (or believe without substantiation) rumors about such transgressions, need to look themselves in the mirror, and ask: "am I a Michgan Man?"

And, ESPN reported that LM was our new coach in 2007 with no basis; and ESPN reported that JH was our new coach in 2011 with no basis; and Freep reported that UM exceeded the practice limits BY A FACTOR OF 2 with no basis; or that ...

many empty suites and more and more empty seats in the big house until he proves he can win 10 games in a season. I wanted RR gone for the losing, the defense and presser BS, but not look stupid across the country and then hire a guy with less than half his credentials. This program is beginning to resemble a fiasco. Both coaching "searches" are way past that nopw. The first was Bill Martin being a buffoon and this one looks for all intents and purposes to be DB as a shill for LC.

If DB is one thing, he's a good story teller. Just wait until he introduces Hoke at the presser, he'll say something like "we have found the best coach in country to uphold the standards of Michigan, and he's a Michigan Man." BS

I can't wait until Drew Sharp asks, "is this the best you could do, with a 'national search?"

He'll definitely ask that about Hoke and he'll be right. After all the rhetoric about money being no object and we're Michigan and national coaching searches, you can't come out with the guy who was knocking on the door from day one saying he'd come for free. I don't know whether he'd be a great coach and neither does anyone else (same goes for any candidate) but perception is reality. If you think we're the laughing stock now, just wait.

Miles may not be the best long-term solution considering his age, etc. But the point we are at right now, getting the best short-term solution may be the best option. Get the program back to respectability and then in 5 years when he retires it will be easier to find the next guy.

By no means a sure thing, but he is a good enough coach that 8-10 wins is likely in most years.

(yes, I am aware of his bonehead moves. He has his shortcomings as a gameday coach, but is nevertheless a good coach. RR had his own share of questionable gameday decisions. Also, please no talk about how RR was a good short-term solution, that ship has sailed)

Let's face it people. Jesus Hughbert Christ could come down on a cloud of glory wearing blue and maize and SOME fraction of this fan base would either say "He's not a Midwesterner- rabble-rabble-rabble" or "He oversigned the apostles-rabble-rabble-rabble." We are NOT easy to please. Questions of Miles' ethics concerned me at first. We may asume the University will keep any (alleged) dark inclinations in check. Now is the time for unity.

P.S.- Quick shout out to J.C. No hard feelings, even if I don't want you as my coach. Bad record against the Romans.

It's pretty simple at this point....Les Miles or Brady Hoke, you be the judge an unproven coach who had one good year at Ball State, and beat up crappy competition to win at San Diego State, or a proven winner in the SEC? All coaches come with baggage, RR came with baggage, oh well that is the nature of the beast. At this point I will take anyone but Brady Hoke, lets see this scenario....I'm Brady Hoke that coach at Michigan we could really use a 5 star recruit like you......who are you again? I'm Les Miles, I do you want to see my National Championship ring? I will make you a winner and a potential NFL star like so many others.....No brainer? Exactly STFU........Les Miles would be great at Michigan! Go Blue......

if we over-sign and win, lets see how many people complain about the poor kid we kicked to the curb for that 4 star potential. ill take some W's please, does Alabama's image seemed tainted when they shat on State? not that i remember, all i remember was EESSSSEEEECCCC speed rabble rabble rabble. lets just get over it, and start winning.

I guess my problem is that I still believe that college football is still about the players Naive I know. Its not the pro's where no one cares about you. You didn't work out or we don't have room for you on the roster throw them on the trash heap. I guess I still believe in stories like the Mealers and it pisses me off when people string these young kids along they make life choices in good faith and coaches knowingly screw them over on a regular basis. It must be a flaw in my make up.

If we hire Les Miles I hope things work out. But if it turns out we have a coach like Brian Kelly win first players health and well being next. That will be a very sad day.

Hey man your entiteled to whatever you want as a moral compass. But if you can't see something wrong with bringing a kid on campus him working out with the team have a dorm room then you get rid of him..... Hope nobody ever screws over your kids you probably woudn't have any sympathy for them either.

Come on man, don't make this about the Mealer and there story. I think everyone in college football knows that that is one of the greatest and most loyal stories ever...... and is definitely 100% different than a QB who decided he didn't want to start or at least try hard to have the skills to start

You think that one qb is the only one Les Miles ever did that to? It was a one time thing? What about all the over signing? I am just saying I like hearing good things about Michigan uplifting stories rather than over signing and everything else that goes with Les.

don't feel like reading through another 4 pages of posts to see if it has been said but anyone who has been looking at tigerdroppings have an idea of who LSU is looking at for a HC if we do indeed end up with Miles? lol

The ends justify the means, especially with college football being big business. Just win baby !!! Some of Les' onfield (clock management) and off-field (over-recruiting) stuff has been questionable, but his excellent record and MNC can't be denied. Whatever it takes to get us lots of W's, sign me up.