I have a dream that I wake up in the morning and find out Mark Cuban has bought the team and vowed that Cleveland fans will win at least eight Super Bowls at the expense of the Pittsburgh Steelers, who will be left crying in their IC Light.

A new era dawns in Cleveland with competent management and a winning culture free of personal agendas overseen by an owner who cares and demands results.

Then I wake up, the room is cold, the wife denies me morning sex, and I still have to go to work and put up with a bunch of complete idiots.

"An owner who cares and demands results", Wow what a dream. What is the best way to get Lerner out of here? I have just stopped caring about this horrendous team and haven't spent a dime on this garbage product. I to share your dreams, but the reality is, with Lerner here, this franchise will stink and go nowhere. Refer to every season post "99"

"I think it's fair to start wondering how long Mike Holmgren is going to hang around in Cleveland if this is all the Browns are capable of producing. Just more of the same mediocre football, year after frustrating year. Honest answer, Browns fans: Were 1996-97-98, the years Cleveland had no NFL team, much, much worse than the ensuing 13 seasons?" -Don Banks SI Power Football Rankings

LakeErieWarriors wrote:"I think it's fair to start wondering how long Mike Holmgren is going to hang around in Cleveland if this is all the Browns are capable of producing. Just more of the same mediocre football, year after frustrating year. Honest answer, Browns fans: Were 1996-97-98, the years Cleveland had no NFL team, much, much worse than the ensuing 13 seasons?" -Don Banks SI Power Football Rankings

What chance did he really have?

An open check book, an enabling and adoring fan base, the access to high draft picks, filling the organization with his hand-picked hires, nowhere to go but up, an absentee owner who washed his hands of things after hiring him....

Fuck Mike Holmgren in the face if he doesn't want to 'hang around'. He can suck a dick if that's the case.

OK, we'll try this dream on for size (trying to keep it within the bounds of semi-reality):

Andy Reid is fired by Philly. He becomes the Browns' OC due to his close ties with, well, everyone in the org. He takes over playcalling duties. He lures DeShaun Jackson to Cleveland, who Philly lets walk b/c of bad blood and the Browns pay significantly more than other teams who are wary of his 'tude. Browns and Hillis kiss and make up and ink a 2 year deal (not a huge fan of Hillis, but the FA market for RB's sucks). They pick up Carlos Rogers from SF to take Sheldon's place. And, sadly, they have to go with aging but still functional Kareem McKenzie at RT for a few years b/c they don't have enough draft picks/cap space to fill every gap in one offseason.

With the #4 overall pick, they select RG3. With the 2nd pick of the 1st Rd, #18, they take LB Zach Brown from NC. They take Whitney Mercilus, DE from Illinois, in the 2nd Rd.

Hikohadon wrote:OK, we'll try this dream on for size (trying to keep it within the bounds of semi-reality):

Andy Reid is fired by Philly. He becomes the Browns' OC due to his close ties with, well, everyone in the org. He takes over playcalling duties. He lures DeShaun Jackson to Cleveland, who Philly lets walk b/c of bad blood and the Browns pay significantly more than other teams who are wary of his 'tude. Browns and Hillis kiss and make up and ink a 2 year deal (not a huge fan of Hillis, but the FA market for RB's sucks). They pick up Carlos Rogers from SF to take Sheldon's place. And, sadly, they have to go with aging but still functional Kareem McKenzie at RT for a few years b/c they don't have enough draft picks/cap space to fill every gap in one offseason.

With the #4 overall pick, they select RG3. With the 2nd pick of the 1st Rd, #18, they take LB Zach Brown from NC. They take Whitney Mercilus, DE from Illinois, in the 2nd Rd.

LakeErieWarriors wrote:"I think it's fair to start wondering how long Mike Holmgren is going to hang around in Cleveland if this is all the Browns are capable of producing. Just more of the same mediocre football, year after frustrating year. Honest answer, Browns fans: Were 1996-97-98, the years Cleveland had no NFL team, much, much worse than the ensuing 13 seasons?" -Don Banks SI Power Football Rankings

What chance did he really have?

An open check book, an enabling and adoring fan base, the access to high draft picks, filling the organization with his hand-picked hires, nowhere to go but up, an absentee owner who washed his hands of things after hiring him....

Fuck Mike Holmgren in the face if he doesn't want to 'hang around'. He can suck a dick if that's the case.

Seriously. Fuck him.

Holmgren is a carpet bagging, con-man, bleeding Lerner for whatever he can, and then adios. At least when Bill Parcels did this to Miami he gave their fans one winning season before jetting off. Holmgren doesn't even have the courtesy of a Fucking reach around. Only saving grace out of all of this might be Tom Heckert. I hope when Holmgren finally pulls out, Heckert sticks around, I honestly think he may be the only man in the organization who knows what he is doing.

"I don't think they're building chemical weapons in Berea. But they might be. I can't say for sure."Chuck Klosterman

Watching the Saints/Titans game..(mind you one team is elite..the other "eh") amazes me.

It's like watching a completely different sport than watching the Browns failure on ice every sunday afternoon.

That's all were asking for. TO BE ENTERTAINED. To be able to go into games against the Inbred and Rats and be like "You know what, they may have a slight edge to them, but we have a shot"

"Here we are now, entertain us".

Swerb wrote:Go start a blog if you want to tell the world your incomprehendible ramblings.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:I have a big arm and can throw the ball pretty damn far...... maybe even over those moutains. The Browns should sign me, i'll let you all in locker room to drink beer. Then we can all go out the parking lot to watch me do motorcycle stunts.

Triple-S wrote:Watching the Saints/Titans game..(mind you one team is elite..the other "eh") amazes me.

It's like watching a completely different sport than watching the Browns failure on ice every sunday afternoon.

That's all were asking for. TO BE ENTERTAINED. To be able to go into games against the Inbred and Rats and be like "You know what, they may have a slight edge to them, but we have a shot"

"Here we are now, entertain us".

Yeah.... HATE watching the Saints. Not because they play good football because I love watching good football. But because they have 3-4 receivers and 2-3 backs that are better than the best on the Browns.

Also, a question: Does anyone think that the casinos in Cleveland in the very near future will make the city more attractive to athletes/make Cleveland a better city in general? I know that gambling/booze/strippers makes any situation better, but my question is whether or not it will make a significant positive impact.

LakeErieWarriors wrote:Also, a question: Does anyone think that the casinos in Cleveland in the very near future will make the city more attractive to athletes/make Cleveland a better city in general? I know that gambling/booze/strippers makes any situation better, but my question is whether or not it will make a significant positive impact.

No , casinos like the one Cleveand is constructing are a dime a dozen, and frankly cater to the early bird crowd, looking to play their slots, and rack up enough rewards points to get a free meal at a shitty buffet. This casino downtown does not make Ctown the next Vegas or AC, which million $ sports stars can fly anytime they got a itch.

"I don't think they're building chemical weapons in Berea. But they might be. I can't say for sure."Chuck Klosterman

Holmgren screwed up from the start by leaving Margini in as the coach as a lame duck. Everyone knew he had no intentions of keeping him around. Why waste a hold year with a guy you knew was going to be gone. Then he does a piss poor job of a coaching search that results in this guy we have now. Honestly how is this guy even coaching in the NFL he is overwhelmed and it is not like he took a no talent Rams offensive to the top of the league in offensive. He was 27th with that Rams team why in the world did anyone think he would do any better here.

So that will be two years of the 5 wasted on Holmgren's contract. It will be 3 when you count next year when they have to fire Shumur in the middle of the year because this team will not look any better. This team is never going to win with Shurmur plain and simple it does not matter the talent he has these will be the plays he will call and this is how he will manage the game. He wants to play the FG game and he will lose every time. This guy just does not have it in him to be a good head coach. He can't handle the media they hurt his feeling every week.

Holmgren is just taking all the hate for Lerner which was the best $50 million dollars Randy Learner has ever spent. It took the hate from him to Holmgren for the most part. Then if this could even get worst Learner will finally show up and look like he cares and fires Holmgren and the fans will think he does care about this team. When it is nothing but petty cash for him to travel from country to country watching his soccer team