UK Parliament debating banning Trump from the country

“Robert Spencer, an Islam expert who runs the JihadWatch website told Breitbart London: ‘Why not ban Trump? After all, I was banned from entering Britain for saying that Islam “is a religion and is a belief system that mandates warfare against unbelievers for the purpose for establishing a societal model that is absolutely incompatible with Western society.” If I can get banned for that manifestly true observation, then Trump can certainly be banned for calling for a temporary moratorium on Muslim immigration in view of jihad terror. The UK continues to demonise and stigmatise resistance to jihad terror, and will probably continue to do so until it is far too late: the last free Briton will be congratulating himself that he was not “Islamophobic” as the knife slices through his neck.'”

The British parliament is set to debate today whether to ban U.S. Republican frontrunner Donald Trump from entering the UK.

The debate comes after 570,000 people signed an online petition calling for Mr Trump to be refused entry after he called for a “total and complete shutdown” of Muslims entering the United States.

Breitbart Londonreported last week how the effort is being spearheaded by a Muslim Labour MP who has admitted previously campaigning for Barack Obama in the 2008 Presidential Election and is one of the MPs who helped the hard-left anti-Israel Jeremy Corby [sic] become her party’s leader.

She told the Telegraph last week: “The United Kingdom should not be held to ransom by corrosive billionaire politicians. In our country, money doesn’t buy the right to sew discord and hatred in our communities. Donald Trump’s threats about withholding investment from the UK is another desperate attempt to get in the headlines and anyone seeing his comments should reject his bigotry.”…

In contrast, her party’s leader refused to back the ban yesterday and said instead he would like to take Mr Trump to visit a North London mosque.“I decided to invite Donald Trump on his visit to Britain to come with me to my constituency because he has problems with Mexicans and he has problems with Muslims,” Jeremy Corbyn said.

“My wife is Mexican and my constituency is very multicultural. What I was going to do was go down to the mosque with him and let him talk to people there.”

The debate is scheduled to begin at 4.30pm UK time and will likely last three hours, leading to criticism that it is wasting parliamentary time.

A statement by Trump International Golf Links in Scotland said exactly that: “It is absurd that valuable parliamentary time is being wasted debating a matter raised as part of the American Presidential election. Our politicians would do better to debate how to solve the challenges facing our own country and its people, like the tens of thousands of job losses in the oil industry and the thousands more job cuts planned.”…

Robert Spencer, an Islam expert who runs the JihadWatch website told Breitbart London: “Why not ban Trump? After all, I was banned from entering Britain for saying that Islam ‘is a religion and is a belief system that mandates warfare against unbelievers for the purpose for establishing a societal model that is absolutely incompatible with Western society.’

“If I can get banned for that manifestly true observation, then Trump can certainly be banned for calling for a temporary moratorium on Muslim immigration in view of jihad terror. The UK continues to demonise and stigmatise resistance to jihad terror, and will probably continue to do so until it is far too late: the last free Briton will be congratulating himself that he was not ‘Islamophobic’ as the knife slices through his neck”.

Breitbart London’s Editor in Chief Raheem Kassam noted today: “…if Mr. Trump has to be banned from Britain, then who else? Well, a significant number of Britons, really, who believe, as Saxony’s Prime Minister Stanislaw Tillich has said this weekend, that the West has “too little experience with Islam” and that inward migration should be curbed.

“And what about Hungary’s Prime Minister Viktor Orban, who has said that “Islam has never been a part of Europe” or Slovakia’s premier Robert Fico, who has said that Muslims are “impossible to integrate”? Do we ban these people too?

“Do we ban ex-Muslims like Ayaan Hirsi Ali? Do we ban people like Sohail Ahmed, a self-professed former radical who has since left Islam? Or is the British reaction to Donald Trump’s comments – for that is what most thought they were signing the petition about – reserved for white American men?”…

Comments

Can’t wait for it to happen! It would be very interesting to see how the stupid, deluded, politically correct idiots who are currently brown-nosing the muslims try to get out of THAT one! Just remember that, whatever happens in this debate (which sadly had to go ahead as a matter of procedure following that abortion of a petition) the people of the UK are not idiots and are absolutely sick to the back teeth of these people that are supposed to be representing them and the group that these ‘representatives’ seem hell-bent on sucking-up to. A group of do-gooders in the education world decided to try and re-arrange the UK public exam timetable to suit the muslims at ramadam time. You should have seen the comments in the press! And the idea has been thrown out. Just remember that the UK establishment no longer speaks for the UK people.

Americans take ignorance to a whole new level. Allow me to educate you.

Ok, we are a DEMOCRATIC nation, we have a law that states Parliment has to debate an issue if it gets a certain number of votes. It’s the law to do so.

The current debate was attended by just 50 MPs out of the 650 in Parliment.

It is a dead issue, they can debate it all they want but a person can ONLY be excluded by the Home Secretary. It’s an open forum, most petitions are pointless and just waste time, but every now and again a serious issue is raised. that’s why we have the system and the opportunity for the British people to feel included.

If Trump wanted to come to the UK and attend a hate rally by an extremist, anti-semetic group like the EDL, he’d be banned (that’s why Spencer was banned btw). But for saying that muslim imigration should be halted in the USA has nothing to do with the UK so the Home Secretary wouldn’t take action.

“…attend a hate rally by an extremist, anti-semetic group like the EDL, he’d be banned (that’s why Spencer was banned btw).”

That’s false. Mr. Spencer was banned from the UK because of a) his pro-Israeli stance, and b) because he said that islam is, and I quote, “a religion or a belief system that mandates warfare against unbelievers for the purpose of establishing a societal model that is absolutely incompatible with Western society“, which is, well, absolutely true.

Typically, EDL rallies are not about expressing hate but intended to alert the public to the very real hatred in Islam towards all that is not Islam. That includes you by the way…Do you know what Allah intends to do with you for eternity just for having the temerity not to believe in him?

“Extremist” has come to mean very little these days beyond “Doesn’t agree with me”, just like “fascist”, “bigot” and “racist”. You wouldn’t believe it but Cameron has called jihadis “extremist”. Was ever a word more misused? When it still retained some meaning the word implied “at the extremes” but it doesn’t take long browsing through the Islamic scriptures and sharia to realise that jihadis are right at the centre of Mohammed’s murderous religious ideology.

Where on earth did you get the idea that the EDL is anti-semitic? You really shouldn’t take your own propaganda seriously…it’s only intended for external consumption, you know.

No kid, we don’t need you to preach to us about your ignorance regarding what and who the kkk were (democrats) and how you would welcome people of the “commonwealth” from places like Pakistan over mainland Europe and America. Go pound your foolishness elsewhere.

Most of the petitioners for banning Trump are either Muslims or Leftists. Nothing would please them then a break in the US-UK relationship.

Well lets hope that Donald Trump is banned from Britain. Only if that happens will the rest of the population wake up. Muslims are not a positive in Britain. They are a big negative, posing an existential threat. Most people know this, but the authorities and the media are trying to postpone the inevitable.

“Most of the petitioners banning Trump are either Muslims or leftists” – I would have thought there were more than 570,000 Muslims and leftists in Britain. Maybe a lot of them are out of the country fighting for Isis.

That’s why they won’t take the risk. If, even with a very minute chance, Trump became POTUS he could suspend the US participation in NATO. Europe is wealthy because it doesn’t bear the cost of its own defense and cannot afford it. The UK would not want to be responsible for, or experience, a poor economy due to such an absurd vote.

This is nothing but a huff-and-puff session to satisfy voters that will be a fizzle.

It would seem to me that the proper response to this is a petition to have the parliament debate banning all travel to and from Muslim countries. Seriously, how hard could it be to get the necessary number of signatures?

I’m not in the UK so I can’t start it but people there certainly could, if it hasn’t been done already.

As this is really just a staged event to satisfy a silly internet petition and has no vote or force behind it, it should be viewed for what it is: a complete farce.

Trump will easily sweep the election in a landslide. And he will, by implementing his temporary moslem ban, create what SHOULD have happened back on Sept 11/2001 but did not thanks to the corrupt and compromised presidency of Dick Chenney (with figurehead puppet George the Idiot). And it still didn’t happen after that disaster left office because he was replaced by a moslem Manchurian Candidate. I’m talking about a NATIONAL DISCUSSION ABOUT ISLAM. It will finally be dragged out into the light and examined and found for exactly what it is. There is nothing that scares the Islamic Supremacists more or their left-fascist lackeys (who are deathly scared of having their willful ignorance ripped from them and being proven politically correct imbeciles the entire time). It’s coming you pieces of human garbage. Islam front and center and exposed as the evil ideology that it is — and almost certainly going to be stripped of its status as a religion and all the protections that brings. Get ready.

Well, let’s examine what he ACTUALLY said and what was ACTUALLY in his formal statement for the press:

(I am) calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on. Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life.”

Now HOW do you “determine and understand this problem” ? And WHAT has to happen so that “our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on” ?

There is only one way that the how and the what can be done. It is by studying the philosophy and texts of Islam. Now, if Donald Trump were to come out and say THAT, what do you think the result would be? The same old taqiyya and kitman Islamic lying we see all the time. And that is ALL that the mainstream press would report on. We’d see Islamic spokesman and apologists getting their day in the sun, spewing the half-truths and outright lies we have seen endlessly all this time. But if you instead impose something as dramatic as a ban on moslems. And you force congressional hearings on it and a national dialog before it is lifted, then those con men come under scrutiny. So Donald Trump, being the brilliant salesman that he is (one of the world’s best, let’s face it) doesn’t give away the whole show. No. He opens the door. Builds the hype. But anybody who knows anything knows where this has to go. And what makes it believable that he’s actually going to go there is his steadfast complete refusal to back down on this issue. NOBODY does that in American politics except him. He is completely unlike anybody in this race. He cannot be influenced, bent, bullied, or compromised once he takes a position. He does not apologize. That makes him highly believable. It’s kind of an inverse relationship to Obama and Islam. You know exactly where he stands (on the side of Islam, firmly in opposition to the American people) and he never wavers ever.

I would recommend that Robert Spencer takes this opportunity to reach out to Donald Trump. Privately or publicly. They both now have something in common — the ban and the discussion about banning from the UK for simply speaking honestly about the problem with Islam. I say, forget about Trump’s stated dislike at the time for the Texas incident. Ignore it for how. He has the right not to like the Mohammad cartoon contest if he wants. Perhaps because he dislikes making fun of any religious beliefs and it made him uncomfortable at the time? However, maybe his opinion has CHANGED a little now? Maybe he’s a little more open to the idea? All this nonsense and flak he’s faced for making common sense proposals might have made him reconsider?

In the coverage of the British debate on TV over the last few hours there was a serious omission.
None mentioned the ‘until our leaders figure out what the hell is going on’.
Do the words of Cologne and Rotherham have no resonance with these people?
Are the bodies of young British and German women acceptable collateral in the pursuit this multi kulti nonsense?

If Trump becomes president watch the groveling line of European leaders in front of the White House. Ditto Islamic leaders promising to clean up the filthy house of Islam.

Sooner or later Islam will be dumped in th garbage can of history. For Muslims living in the West, it is best if they become Christians. In fact all Muslims should leave Islam. Surely they must be getting tired of being “looked” at, or worse.

Well, I do think that the best way for a big “revelation” to be believed by a mass audience is not for somebody to just come out and tell them the way things are. That just doesn’t work that well. Look at the Holocaust. You know, if some famous figure came out and simply said what happened few believed. However, when thousands of GI’s go in and see for themselves, and miles of news reel footage is shot, and captured films are shown, and the villains are put on trial and confronted with the evidence in as public a way as possible, then the mass audience all learns together what exactly happened. In a way, the deception regarding Islam is very similar. It needs a huge “discovery” by the public — who sort of knew it all the time, but now everything is confirmed for them. Then no more deception and denial is really possible.

He doesn’t HAVE to study Islam at this point. He just has to know that there is a big BLACK HOLE in “our” general knowledge about it, and that there is obviously something seriously wrong with it.

He is like Bill Maher. He doesn’t know a whole lot about Islam, either. But he recognizes it really stinks. And he says so. Donald Trump is saying the same thing, basically.

But here’s the difference. Bill Maher only has a TV show. He is only a celebrity. He can bring on a few guests, and they can embarrass themselves and look idiotic (like Ben Affleck a while back) or go down hard in a debate with him. A President Trump takes it to an entirely different level.President Trump CAN block all moslems and force a national conversation about WHY. And he’s talking about forcing CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS about it. And SENATE hearings. And, there is simply no escape from it: the texts of Islam will come under national scrutiny. They have to examine them. They have no choice. For you see, President Trump needs answers and they have to come up with them or they will be publicly crushed. That’s what Trump does.

This is why it would be such a good idea for Robert Spencer to figure out a way to reach out to Trump. Privatively is best at this stage. And offer his expertise so that there is no escape on forcing the truth from those who would try and wiggle out of it.

Imagine the incredible dream or President Trump banning moslems from entering the United States until the people in Washington figure out what is going on — which can ultimately ONLY mean what is going on with their core beliefs. And Trump has Robert Spencer making sure their is no weaseling possible and facts only. The world would change almost overnight.

“Please see my latest post above. Everybody has a right to an opinion and the right to change it with some reflection afterwards, don’t they?”
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Yes, we can all change our minds but this was a drastic change rather quickly.
Something’s not right.

I never heard or read about him defending Islam in the past. I don’t think it’s a drastic change from the opinion he had back five years ago
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I was only talking about Trump having a go at Pamela for organizing Mohammed cartoon competition. Good to see that he wasn’t fooled by Muslims even then. Why would he not support truth being said and done and then tell it himself? What happened in such a short time to believe in free speech now?
If he’s elected President will he be shackled by PC?

Actually, George Bush *did* propose a ban on immigration from countries that sponsor terrorism–this would have been mostly Muslim nations, of course–with just a few exceptions for those asking for asylum.

It wasn’t enough, but it would have been a damn good start. Instead, the proposal was shot down almost immediately.

Brits, except for those wonderful nationalist/traditionalist sorts, have by and large become sissified Eurobots. I blare “Rule Britannia!” and marvel how utterly untrue their once great anthem is:

When Britain first, at Heaven’s command
Arose from out the azure main;
This was the charter of the land,
And guardian angels sang this strain:
“Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
“Britons never will be slaves.”

when it all started, I never thought he will be liked, more like he will be thrown out for being do blantent. Well I was wrong about Trump. Good for him. He looks like a real thing. He will be a great President – though some aint going to find him palatable.

Breitbart London reported last week how the effort is being spearheaded by a Muslim

Oh, look, what a surprise… /sarc. off

Labour

Oh, look, what a surprise… /sarc. off

MP who has admitted previously campaigning for Barack Obama in the 2008 Presidential Election

Oh, look, what a surprise… /sarc. off

and is one of the MPs who helped the hard-left anti-Israel Jeremy Corby [sic] become her party’s leader.

Oh, look, what a surprise… /sarc. off

Seriously, this MP sounds like a walking stereotype of leftist, well… stereotypes: a rabid pro-islamic, anti-Israel, left-leaning, racist female bigot who goes into a frenzy at the mere thought of someone with a different opinion or opposing view.

She told the Telegraph last week: “The United Kingdom should not be held to ransom by corrosive billionaire politicians. In our country, money doesn’t buy the right to sew discord and hatred in our communities.

Add ignorant to the list of stereotypes – that MP doesn’t know what ransom is.

Donald Trump’s threats about withholding investment from the UK is another desperate attempt to get in the headlines

No. While I believe that Trump is a narcissist that enter the Presidential race because he enjoys winning against all odds, in this specific case, I believe that getting in the headlights is a bonus. Withholding investment from the UK is the obvious, expected response to telling him that you don’t want him in your country. If he’s not good enough to enter your country, why shouldn’t he take his money elsewhere? Why should Trump throw money at the people who spit on his face, poke him in the eye and tell him they don’t want him there? You should be glad if he were to take his investments elsewhere – why would you want money from a “bigot”? In fact, why don’t you start a BDS movement against anything Trump in the UK? Demand people to stop buying goods and services from Trump’s subsidiaries in the UK. You don’t want to support a “bigot”, do you? Your actions are inconsistent, to say the least.

and anyone seeing his comments should reject his bigotry.”…

But not his money, apparently. On that crazy mind of yours, Trump should take whatever insults you throw at him and have no reaction whatsoever. That way, people wouldn’t lose their jobs and think “I don’t blame Trump, I blame the wankers who banned him from entering the UK” – meaning they’d hold you, and your party,responsible for the loss of their job. And rightfully so. What you want is to have your cake and eat it.

Anyway, what “bigotry” exactly should be rejected? Muslims around the world are committing terror attacks in the name of their religion at an incommensurately larger scale than any other religious group. Muslims worldwide hate the US and would love to see (more) terror attacks on the US. All Trump is saying is that, based on those two facts, the safest thing to do is not to let anyone identifying as a muslim enter the US.

In contrast, her party’s leader refused to back the ban yesterday and said instead he would like to take Mr Trump to visit a North London mosque.“I decided to invite Donald Trump on his visit to Britain to come with me to my constituency because he has problems with Mexicans and he has problems with Muslims,” Jeremy Corbyn said.

Oh, for f***’s sake. Trump doesn’t have a problem with Mexicans, he has a problem with illegal immigration from Mexico (and it’s not just Mexicans entering via the Mexico border, mind you) into the US. You know why? Because honest, qualified, law-abiding citizens don’t have to enter the US illegally. Criminals do. Nice strawman, jackass.

“My wife is Mexican and my constituency is very multicultural. What I was going to do was go down to the mosque with him and let him talk to people there.”

Oh, great, the old fallacy of “I know a muslim who is a really great chap, therefore all muslims are great chaps”. How about you go down to the islamic state and talk with people there? Better yet, invite Jihadi John’s replacement to go live with you for a while and have him visit that mosque, and see what happens. See whether the mosque goers boo him or cheer him, and draw your own conclusions.

The debate is scheduled to begin at 4.30pm UK time and will likely last three hours, leading to criticism that it is wasting parliamentary time.

Which it is. Isn’t there a government office responsible for assessing requests to enter the UK and accept or reject them based on a series of rules?

A statement by Trump International Golf Links in Scotland said exactly that: “It is absurd that valuable parliamentary time is being wasted debating a matter raised as part of the American Presidential election. Our politicians would do better to debate how to solve the challenges facing our own country and its people, like the tens of thousands of job losses in the oil industry and the thousands more job cuts planned.”…

Damn right.

Breitbart London’s Editor in Chief Raheem Kassam noted today: “…if Mr. Trump has to be banned from Britain, then who else?

Well, a significant number of Britons, really, who believe, as Saxony’s Prime Minister Stanislaw Tillich has said this weekend, that the West has “too little experience with Islam” and that inward migration should be curbed.

“And what about Hungary’s Prime Minister Viktor Orban, who has said that “Islam has never been a part of Europe” or Slovakia’s premier Robert Fico, who has said that Muslims are “impossible to integrate”? Do we ban these people too?

“Do we ban ex-Muslims like Ayaan Hirsi Ali? Do we ban people like Sohail Ahmed, a self-professed former radical who has since left Islam? Or is the British reaction to Donald Trump’s comments – for that is what most thought they were signing the petition about – reserved for white American men?”…

If they were alive today, we’d have had to ban former Prime Ministers Winston Churchill and William Gladstone, former US Presidents Theodore Roosevelt and John Quincy Adams, The Methodist preacher John Wesley, Hilaire Belloc, and so many more.

And didn’t Voltaire describe free speech as “I might not like what you say, but I’ll defend your right to say it”?

I haven’t heard the result of this debate yet, but I have read in thre press a rather typically arrogant statement from a (no doubt muslim) MP named Siddiqi (I believe), who claimed that he was going to reduce Mr. Trump’s reputation to shreds. Well now, that’s big words coming from a representative of an ideology whose international reputation is already not only in shreds but well on the way to the refuse tip.

Now you’re talking! Indeed, Hillary and her muslim sidekick *girlfriend* are much better candidates. But I was thinking more along the lines of pro-jihad/islamic muslim preachers — and their ilk — whom should be considereed first, and foremost, for being banned. Not people like Donald Trump and/or Robert Spencer.

That said, even Hillary and her *friend* wouldn’t be banned because they fit so nicely into the false narrative that islam is a ‘religion of peace’, etc. And it isn’t just the UK pushing this lie, but it’s what so many other world leaders are LYING about, too — with team obama being front and center.

British politicians should be banning Muslim rape gangs not Donald Trump.
But instead they wish to ban someone who might shine some light on their shameless culpability with Muslim rapists pedophile pimps.

Desmond, Devon, United Kingdom, 10 hours ago
My goodness! Telling the truth has really caused a stir in Parliament. Who cares what the MP’s think, they are so out of touch with reality they cannot recognise the truth even when it is right before their eyes!

She probably meant 41:34 “The good deed and the evil deed are not alike. Repel the evil deed with one which is better, then lo! he, between whom and thee there was enmity (will become) as though he was a bosom friend.”

As to why so many Muslims fail to see it (or heed it) well, it has been abrogated by the ferocious 9:5, as shown here (just hover over the 9:5):

As a Brit, I can assure Trump that most Brits think this is a waste of time and a dumb insult by parliament when there’s far more important stuff to debate. You only have to look through the on line newspaper sites to see that at least 66% of posters support Trump, maybe 20% are neutral and the minority are brain dead liberals attacking the messenger rather than understanding the facts. There are 3 million Muslims in Britain and it only needs 250,000 people (I believe) to ‘persuade’ parliament to debate a petition. Simply put if only 8% of Muslims in the UK signed up to this petition then a debate was assured but it hardly reflects the mood of most of the country.

You have CAIR in America spinning their lies and stirring the pot and we have the MCB doing the same over there. Their time is running out in my opinion as the European peoples are sick to death of Islamic Apartheid over there and I believe the same mood is over here.

This debate is a load of BS and will allow our own Bernie Saunders (Jeremy Corbyn) air time to spout his socialist clap trap.

Our US liberal news media only tells us what they want us to believe, but many people begin to see what they’re trying to do… shame us into groveling before the muslim machine….It is sad however to read about the gov’t war on the EDL in the UK when the muzz are free to be as obnoxious and odious as ever and are so allowed by the Brit police and courts. Your courts seem especially obscene, prosecuting any patriotic Brit who dares to speak up, such as Tommy Robinson or the guy who was arrested for quoting Churchill. Muzzlins seem to be the deciders of what is allowed speech in UK these days. Very sad to watch a great nation and a great people whipped into submission by medieval cretins.

England today reminds me of how the Roman Britons invited and encouraged Saxon immigration. No doubt, the leaders of the Roman Britons of the time believed that their culture, laws and political institutions were self evidently superior and would allow for the assimilation of the Saxons. I think this is all going to end about the same way for the modern English, only the cultural, political, and military transformation will not stop at Hadrian’s wall. It is their choice to make.

But the Anglo-Saxons, Bill, proved more than able of becoming civilized, contra Muslims taken in the aggregate. In fact, the Anglo-Saxons evolved into the English and became one of the very greatest people in world history. Can’t say that about any Muslim ethnic group like the Arabs, now can we?. Also, we’re not certain that the Anglo-Saxons were invited. They may have been. But they might have just been invaders from the get-go.

Additionally, the Romanized Celts definitely had another enemy to fear once Rome pulled all the Roman military out of Britannia in the early fifth century and that was the Picts to the north whom even the Romans, tough as they were, gave up on conquering and that’s why Hadrian’s Wall was built (later the Antonine Wall as well) in the first place in the early second century.

By contrast, modern Britain has had no exigent reason hanging over its head to bring in Muslims, contra Romanized Celts even if they did indeed invite Angles, Saxons and Jutes to their shore to serve as mercenaries against the Picts, an understandable invitation if so, though it did go sour from them no doubt. But all the reasons for bringing in Muslims to Britain were dumb from the get-go, completely indefensible.

Thanks for that link, Angemon. Well, just like a Marxist to distort history. Marxists have been doing this from Marx and Engels onwards (e.g., George Washington and all the Founding Fathers of America did what they did chiefly for profit).

Gee, I wonder if there is any connection here with the fact that everywhere Marxism has been tried it has led to such things as the eradication of liberty and economic destruction, particularly in the agricultural sector? Mass slaughter too often times, but since not always but only usually, I guess Marxism is to get a pass here——–not. Oh, and yes too, the destruction of truth. Marxists, like Nazis and Muslims, are very good at truth destroying. Helps explain why they are all so adverse to freedom.

As for the specific North African nonsense, i.e., Roman soldiers from North Africa for a short time stationed on Hadrian’s Wall, well I guess this makes such folks as Septimius Severus and his entire family, which ruled Rome from 193 to 235 A.D {Macrinus excepted}., Severus himself being from North Africa, clearly black. Hey, Saint Augustine of Hippo too. EVEN THOUGH North Africa in ancient times was overwhelmingly, as it remains today, the domain of those nasty people, anthropologically speaking, known as Caucasoids.

Oh yeah, no end to the nonsense. Ever notice that true nonsense is so often advanced by those who adhere to a totalitarian ideology? Let’s see here, Nazism, Marxism and Islam do come to mind, now don’t they? And do does modern leftism.

Hope you’re doing well, Angemon, amidst all the lies that we are pummeled with daily from those who don’t get freedom and who are profoundly deficient in that most important of all areas of human intelligence——-common sense.

‘Our research project shows how, for example, in the late Middle Ages, no one was more than ten miles from an immigrant.’

It’s almost like they’re talking about cockroaches or rats in a city.

Anyway, the intention if the article is to imply that if previously in history invaders who came to conquer by means of warfare, and did conquer through warfare, managed to be a part of British fabric, certainly the same will happen with muslims – I’m surprised they don’t outright rename William the Conqueror to William the Immigrant.

I’m doing fine, Wellington, thank you very much. Rebutting islamo-apologists has always had diminishing returns but I’m fully energized and ready for another year of fighting the good fight, both in the virtual and real world. And you, how are you doing?

That’s how far I can trace my family back, to The Battle of Hastings in 1066 on the side of King Harold, from the Hollingworth area, then eventually we took up arms in the American Revolution, 2 family members, on my mothers side, then dads side is Swede & German.

Anyways, it’s generations past, but I still have great affection for England. I have great hope that things turn out okay, where my blood came from. Who knows, perhaps the Sons of the Revolution will be called home someday.

I’m 54. When I learned history in high school the final exam in my senior year was this: Take as many sheets of paper and describe all of the major events in European and US history from the years 1066 to 1946. That’s how it was in 1979. Tours-Martel was the beginning of European history and European history was the beginning of Western History.

BTW, I wasn’t the greatest student, by then I had discovered beer, but on this challenging exam I got a B, or a B+. I don’t remember. He was a great history teacher, who later lost his job for propositioning the boys. Don’t remember his name. He saw me as a trouble maker on day one and so made me sit in the front of the class, which gave me a chance be to become friends with Caroline. He gave really good lectures, despite his personal depravities.

Despite the whining and grinding of teeth by the professional politicians of both parties, terrified of losing their special privileges and advantageous positions. I seems more and more likely that Donald Trump could be the next president of the USA. It will be hilariously entertaining to watch the libs in your parliament trying to salvage their asses when they pushed thru a ruinous ban on President Trump. Muslims in UK seem to think the country is their own little private islamic clubhouse from which they can ban anybody they want. When will the ordinary Brits stop this comical game? Sad to see how low the UK has sunk in subservience to islam. The US even lets the repulsive George Galloway come to the US, after all.

To ban Trump for asking for a “Temporary Ban” on Muslims entering the U.S. while the situation is assessed is to loudly say there is no problem with Islam. Clearly there is a problem with Islam. Any commenter to this website could list a full page of problems off the top of his/her head in a minute.
A ban in response to Trump’s statement is ludicrous. In fact, Trump is being prudent.

Shouldn’t England take a pause on Muslim immigration and take a look at how that is working out for them? Who could possibly disagree with that? Even a passionate believer in “multiculturalism” could accept a pause to have time to adjust social programs to more effectively serve their favoured immigrants. That only would be prudent.

Now a quick switch of focus to look at the situation in the USA, if you vote me for president I would not only call for a pause in Muslim immigration as Trump is asking, but also begin examining the influence of Political Islam on government, in education, and as sponsors of student associations and advocacy groups. I would seek to treat Political Islam as the threat of Communism was treated back in the early days of the cold war by Senator Joseph McCarthy.

Quoting Wikipedia, Joseph McCarthy. was noted for making claims that there were large numbers of Communists and Soviet spies and sympathizers inside the United States federal government and elsewhere. Ultimately, his tactics and inability to substantiate his claims led him to be censured by the United States Senate.

I think we would find far more advocates of Political Islam than he found Communists however. These need to be rooted out and denounced, and their influence neutralized.

The petition was rigged. You are supposed to be able to only sign it once but the petition is flawed. Activists signed it multiple times (50+) using different email addresses, spreading the word to do it and boasting about it on social media which makes the whole thing rather pointless and it does not represent the actual UK’s public feeling about Trump. There was an article in the Daily Express about it on the 18th December.

The circus continues, all due to the refusal by so many to see and acknowledge the sickness which is Islam. Islam is so sick, so malevolent, so repressive of the best that mankind can aspire to and achieve. Anyone doubting me need only look at the Islamic world in our day for confirmation of what a negative it is across the board. In fact, what positive comes out of the Islamic world? Nothing, absolutely nothing I would argue.

The Islamic world is a desultory, freedom-crushing, equality-under-the-law crushing, misogynistic and, in general, monumentally stupid and disgusting sphere of the human species. Islam is reprehensible and yet the UK elites aplenty keep apologizing and making excuses for this despicable faith (e.g., in mainstream Islamic law the raping of non-Muslim women who belong to enemies of Mohammed’s hand puppet, Allah, is sanctioned to this very day). So do American elites keep this “apology tour” ongoing (e.g., the new Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan, who condemned Donald Trump’s completely sane suggestion that further Muslim immigration to the US should be at least temporarily banned). And do I really have to mention the dodo who is now the Prime Minister of Canada? Then there is Angela Merkel. The present Pope is another good example of what I’m talking about. And on and on and on like this with fools aplenty in the West in the political realm, the media and, of course, academia, the last of which in the liberal arts, and speaking in the aggregate, has gone into a realm of truly destructive fantasy.

Thank you for this brilliant and powerfully written post, Wellington. I cannot imagine how it could be more richly expressed that we live in extraordinarily deluded times.

And thank you for providing the word “dodo” to describe the idiot that my country placed on the throne on that wretched day this past October. I have been struggling, stunned and traumatized as I am, to do verbal justice to the Princeling, and “dodo” is definitely my new fave!

Stunning that enough Canadians, Edwin,, saw fit to replace a very good man, Harper, with a dodo. Well, many of my fellow Americans, even after four years of Obama, saw fit to put him in for another four years when America instead could have had Romney, who, while far from ideal, would have nonetheless been infinitely preferable to Obama. I fear for both of our nations with people like Obama and Trudeau in charge.

Other people must make the sacrifice when politicians sell out to appease Muslims.

It is SHAMEFUL that well paid British politicians can get all riled up about Trump.
Yet they completely ignore the pleas of teenage rape victims from low income neighborhoods.
Those selfish PC bastards don’t care about any of us.

“The British Parliament on Monday hosted an extraordinary debate over whether to ban U.S. Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump from visiting the United Kingdom.

The debate, which was triggered by an online petition that described Trump’s comments about Muslims as “hate speech,” did not produce any binding decisions. Authority to ban someone from the country rests with the home secretary, not with Parliament. But the exchange gave British lawmakers an unusual chance to weigh in directly on U.S. politics.”
(The Washington Post).

They call Trump’s proposed temporary ban on Muslim immigration hate speech, yet they are evidently deaf and blind to the Koran and the devious Imam’s speech.

They have entered the Muslim world of opposites, where black is white, up is down and truth is represented by lies. Banning people for their opinions, just their words? – shouldn’t they also be banning those with hateful opinions who actually act on them?

It all sounds like a bunch of sour grapes to me, nothing which was said refuted anything Trump said. Basically all boiling down to some hyperbolic name calling such as would be heard on any 2nd grade playground on recess.

The current power structure is worried, that much is clear.

I will say this though, Muslim countries are retarded, mostly due to them being filled with Muslims & their ideas. In accord with that basic logic, you can’t make a country better by importing Muslims. It will only make your country more Muslim aka retarded. See it’s super simple, and way more logical than anything which was said in Parliament today, so if you want to get that rotting Abatross (Islam) off of your neck, lose the Muslims.

The EuroScum “leadership” probably calculates it can cut itself the best deal if they betray and sellout their country to Islamic jihad.
What do you expect from people who sacrifice their young girls to Islamic rape gangs?

Hurry up and surrender!
And if you argue with or tell the truth about us, we will use our power to smear, besmirch and ban you from entering our country.

Yeah, I’ve been doing some soul searching as of late. I grew up in “Multicultural” areas & Ive literally been duking it out since I was in the second grade, actually hunted by packs of brown people, either Mexican or Black (I don’t say that to be racist, it’s just true). Put my first opponent in the hospital when I was in the 4th grade (Black neighborhood), put many more in the hospital since then, probably about seven or eight either mele, or with improvised weapons, not sure a lot of times I had to flee from incoming sirens. This is what you are doing to your children, but people don’t get it, it so uncontainable to do this to your children.

All I can do is shake my head, they know not what they are doing, it’s horrible. I also see a lot of fear, but I think Europeans are made of much stronger stock than they realize as of right now. I pity their enemies if Europeans can find their hearts again.

Somebody I do not care about, apologizes to Trump, and surprisingly brings up many points of just how hypocritical Britain is in this debate..
Perhaps something rubbed off on him when he was Stateside.

Why I’m so embarrassed today for Britain. The same parliament that hasn’t banned a single UK citizen from returning after fighting for ISIS is seriously debating banning Trump from its shores…….

……….Britain throws down the red carpet and blares out the royal bugles all the time for leaders of countries with heinous human rights records…..
….Saudi leaders……Chinese leaders….Russian leaders…. African leaders…Sinn Fein leaders…..
…..His suggestion…. a short term bar on Muslim visitors….
…..Hundreds of British muslims … left UK….. to fight for ISIS….
…None of them banned from returning….
….tycoon…. no track….. of murdering people….
….supporter of First Amendment and wish we had something like this in Britain…..
…..debate is an affront to proper democracy….
….apologise to Trump and America……

He may not yet get it about the 2nd Amendment yet, but once the police, firefighters, medics, and very sad to say the ordinary citizen on the street, have viscous assaults and being sniped on, and he is flushed from his gated community, then will be mugged by reality, as the working class are, with the multiculti.

This bizarre debate serves just one useful purpose, from the POV of the average British jihadwatcher, of which there are not a few here present.

It means they can watch it, and then also go to the record in Hansard, and read it through carefully, noting all the names and constituencies represented, looking at exactly who said what, and find out *exactly* where their *own* MP stands on this subject: i.e. whether he or she is a full-fledged grovelling Dhimmi and Islamophile, or merely a naive/ uninformed/ foolish Useful Idiot still in denial, or someone with the beginnings of an inkling of the truth…i.e. someone *educable*.

See who passes, and who fails, “the Trump test”.

Of course, what we don’t know (but what Hansard might expose, and what a Briton could know) is how many MPs actually *bothered to attend* this debate. Was it one of those things that *every* sitting member has to show up for? Or was it not? If your MP *doesn’t* appear on the list of those Present…might be worth asking him or her why…and asking whether s/he would support banning Trump from the UK *on the basis of his proposal of a temporary ban on Muslim immigration into the USA*…and for good measure, state that *you*, personally, think it’s not such a bad idea and that you would like to see a similar ban instituted in *Britain* (in order to somewhat reduce the *enormous* expense and workload currently burdening British law enforcement and Homeland Security chaps) and would your MP be prepared to propose such a ban or support it if proposed by others?

Strike while the iron is hot! while the *idea* of a ban (even if only temporary) on Muslim entry into the West has been floated. *Everyone* who wants a ban on Muslim immigration – *wherever* we are, UK, Canada, USA, wherever – HAS to raise this issue with *their* politicians…say, “you know I think Trump has a point, if we hadn’t let in the Muslims, X (insert murderous jihad attack/ Mohammedan rape spree here) wouldn’t have happened…”.

We want our politicians to know that there are a LOT of Votes potentially riding on this matter…Votes that are in the bag for anyone who is prepared to ..Stop Importing Muslims.

I quote:
“Philip Davies, a Conservative, accuses those who want to stamp out intolerance of being intolerant themselves.

“He says that it’s easy to be for “motherhood and apple pie,” but that it takes “real guts” to say things that are controversial. He’s not defending Trump. But he is defending Trump’s right to speak.

“Davies is interrupted by another Conservative, Adam Holloway, who says the debate is “embarrassing” for Britain. “We should apologize to the people of the United States,” he says. “It’s for them to decide, not us.”” YEP.

I will note that Davies, in particular, I have seen popping up in previous news reports as a man with a bit of backbone and independent mind, and not kowtowing unthinkingly to Muslims as such. He could possibly become seriously Islamoresistant, with a bit of encouragement, instruction and support.

I wrote: “If your MP *doesn’t* appear on the list of those Present…might be worth asking him or her why…and asking whether s/he would support banning Trump from the UK *on the basis of his proposal of a temporary ban on Muslim immigration into the USA*…and for good measure, state that *you*, personally, think it’s not such a bad idea and that you would like to see a similar ban instituted in *Britain* (in order to somewhat reduce the *enormous* expense and workload currently burdening British law enforcement and Homeland Security chaps) and would your MP be prepared to propose such a ban or support it if proposed by others?”

Should have written – “If your MP *doesn’t* appear on the list of those Present…might be worth asking him or her why…and asking whether s/he supports or does not support banning Trump from the UK *on the basis of his proposal of a temporary ban on Muslim immigration into the USA*…Then, having stated that you think he should NOT be banned, measure, state that *you*, personally, think his idea of a ban on Muslim immigration into the States is a *good* idea, and that you would like to see a similar ban instituted in *Britain* (in order to somewhat reduce the *enormous* expense and workload currently burdening British law enforcement and Homeland Security chaps) and would your MP be prepared to propose such a ban (on Muslim immigration into the UK) or support it if proposed by others?

Sorry about the lack of clarity: in the first posting I didn’t carefully enough distinguish 1/ the proposed ban on Trump entering UK (which ban is a bad thing) from 2/ Trump’s proposed temporary ban on Muslim immigration into the US (which ban is a *good* thing, from the POV of the Islamosavvy).

There’s not a snowballs chance in hell, that Trump will be banned from the UK. We have our fair share of ‘Loony-Lefties’ as many other country’s do and these idiots tend to be highly vocal despite being in a minority, which is why a left-wing-engineered, online ‘protest’ gained the momentum it sadly did.

For most of us Brits, we generally tend to wake up most days and have the capacity to actually smell the roses, despite that flower being steeped in bull s**t!! It should also be noted though, that whilst this particular ‘protest’ is (in accordance with UK law) getting all the publicity from the largely left-wing dominated media, little has been heard of the opposite ‘Protest’ which will also have parliamentary debate time, more or less at the same time, where the proposition is to freely allow Trump into the country in accordance with the principle of free-speech? Sad really, that this opposing option, hasn’t been given anywhere close to 1% coverage in the media!!
Common-sense will, I’m sure prevail, although the mere fact that Robert Spencer was ‘banned’ for his highly enlightened views, for me, leaves a stain on our democracy that badly needs to be erased for the sake of good old common-sense!!

Robert? Don’t let the loony, crazy, left of centre views, grind you down!! When the time is right, and, if any further/future ‘action’ is taken in this regard, I’m sure that many Brits will use the self-same ‘weapon’ that the crazies seem to like? They forget that online-petitions can actually, be used to oppose their silliness!!

I just about banned Donald when he insulted Pam Geller…I almost banned him
again over the ‘natural born’ nonsense…But if he is ;the guy’, I will vote for him
anyway because the D alternative is unacceptable…

Well, Spencer and Geller are in some pretty important company. It’s funny, but listening to that pompous ass’s speech in the parliament, somehow I knew that he didn’t bring up Rotherham. The Moslems are ok, no perfect, but every bit as good as us. That’s the fiction, real to him and his ilk, and fictive reality is very dangerous place to live.

Meanwhile, Hillary struggles to overcome the fact that she left Amb Stevens to be anally gang raped by a dozen fervid Moslems. If she doesn’t win, she won’t have the chance to make it a felony crime to criticize a religion, her dream dashed.

I think Robin Leach the famous T.V. personality put it best when he said these U.K. members of parliament are over weight and over drinking and the whole issue is rubbish . He further went on to say that the government doesn’t even ban ISIS fighters who have left England and returned . Wake up Britain and debate real issues instead of this nonsense .

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