I have already put my 2cents on RE on page 2; as far as the bandogge and crossing bloodlines and such.. I chuckle because it has already been done. The Boston Bull Terrier was like that of Sgnt. Stubby who is in most Boston Terrier pedigrees of today as a founding stock, he is also the Georgetown mascott, and the direct line from which the earliest "bulldogs" of the south came from. I have posted those pics on AM Bulldog debate. When we follow the history of the game dog, if it could cut the mustard as game it went into the stock... I don't believe in having a dog I have to take care of and does nothing for me; dogs are tools, the companionship is a perk. I believe show dogs should be selected out of working stock; RE bloodlines included. I alienate myself because I piss on politics, its just red tape to confuse the truth. Bandogges look more line game line pits that are big boned because you get a APBT when your breeding for GAME, it comes with the mentality. IT makes no sense to have a HALF ABPT/Mastiff if its not a working dog, well if they breed the good ones they are harboring the game trait that come from the game dog. So they get back to the game dog conformation that come with that genotype for mentality. There are Whopper dogs, Giant, Mammoth, etc.. etc.. that are APBT by ped in ADBA and UKC much larger than the bandogges because they are breeding for size and looks; Does that makes sense? HOWEVER when bred RIGHT bandogges are as the BOERBOEL despite westernized politics, if you follow the breeders in Africa its clear they used imported American game dogs and mastiff to create a catch dog for lions. Boerboels come up with red noses and with a real wirey frame sometimes which are sold as "pet quality" and with out papers with a contract to spay/neuter just FYI do your own digging. However with bandogges that were still bred to be big dogs just not game driven were the size of a mastiff and the shape of an APBT and the attitude was Eat PEOPLE.. So again genotypes, phenotypes, chromosomes and all that make the dog what it is, control is an illusion we can only manipulate. wheeeeeeewwww.... . :P

Eh, I respect you as well as your statement. I disagree to an extent. Having working dogs in a ped is always a plus but I think form over function is what makes the show ring. For people like me, who live in the city, a working dog doesn't do much for us. Hunting is about the only type of work for a dog down here in the south west. I don't need a dog to fend off coyotes or pull fire wood. So I guess everyone has different needs and thats one of the reasons people need to research their dog before diving into a purchase.

Ya'll have a stash of coyotes in AR, as many as we did in Oklahoma; I was always huntin', urban yotes or out away for society.. You made a very valid point; I think thats why people have jacked up the bloodlines, they want a "pit" that doesn't do "sht." To me they are a working breed; for most people as you say should research, really they want a Bull Terrier or a OEB or something that has already been done.. that just my bag of wind.

Agreed. Yeah we have a GRIP of coyotes out here, just don't see em unless you are right next to a fed wildlife preserve(which is in a lot of isolated spots of PHX) or if you are along the outskirts of the city. Right here in metro, we never see em'. All we have to worry about is psycho cats with AIDS

Agreed. Yeah we have a GRIP of coyotes out here, just don't see em unless you are right next to a fed wildlife preserve(which is in a lot of isolated spots of PHX) or if you are along the outskirts of the city. Right here in metro, we never see em'. All we have to worry about is psycho cats with AIDS

Yah, my crew, hates the city after the first week or two.. They like meeting people in parks and such, but they just have to get somthing or they start to get each other...

Cat aids; lol, burn right throught the poplutation of felines won't it.. I had my fair share of ghetto stomps; had to kick it back up the honky tonks. I had people trying to steal my dogs by trying to rush me with a gang of fools while they let there ghetto pit go.. Climbing my fence to try to get whatever they thought they could get, and well I couldn't do anything accept call the police. Who usually protected the crooks from my dog, saying I was harboring a vicious animal, bah Not anymore ) make my day.. In Idaho within 10 ft of house and imposing danger, let em' talk to the smoke waggon