Comments on: Gun bans: what are we really talking about here?http://historiann.com/2009/12/02/gun-bans-what-are-we-really-talking-about-here/
History and sexual politics, 1492 to the presentSun, 02 Aug 2015 17:42:18 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: Historiannhttp://historiann.com/2009/12/02/gun-bans-what-are-we-really-talking-about-here/comment-page-1/#comment-12092
Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:14:56 +0000http://www.historiann.com/?p=8581#comment-12092FrauTech–good point. The credentialing process is fairly extensive (and expensive, from what I hear). But–most of the people who engage in mass killings get their guns legally–the V-tech killer, the Fort Hood killer, and I think the Northern Illinois killer, too.

My point here is that any gun “ban” or permission to carry on my campus will be entirely rhetorical, since we don’t walk through metal detectors or get frisked when we enter the campus grounds or buildings.

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Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:44:36 +0000http://www.historiann.com/?p=8581#comment-12091I don’t know about Colorado, but getting a concealed permit is not necessarily very easy (unless you live in a very red state). It’s easy to sit back and say “no guns” when campuses tend not to be targets for violent criminal activity (minus the occasional psychopath, obviously). All it takes is one illegal gun on campus. It’s not the legal permit holders we really need to worry about.

]]>By: Oroboroshttp://historiann.com/2009/12/02/gun-bans-what-are-we-really-talking-about-here/comment-page-1/#comment-12090
Thu, 03 Dec 2009 04:33:24 +0000http://www.historiann.com/?p=8581#comment-12090I went digging deeper to see what the Colorado laws say about open carry on campus. According to this I am wrong about campuses and open carry has never been allowed.

I do know that outside of the specifically restricted areas it is legal to carry openly. That knowledge isn’t very widespread and the police can get themselves into trouble from time to time. I believe there used to be a statute against open carry (possibly enacted around the time of the Brady Bill?) but that it expired and wasn’t renewed.

]]>By: Indyannahttp://historiann.com/2009/12/02/gun-bans-what-are-we-really-talking-about-here/comment-page-1/#comment-12089
Thu, 03 Dec 2009 00:52:26 +0000http://www.historiann.com/?p=8581#comment-12089Yeah, I’d still be out there scraping to really get it clear. It was my misfortune to drive through a narrow campus alleyway with the cop coming the other way. Hir headlights diffused through my half-scraped windshield making it impossible to see anything. At least I didn’t take our hir left headlight, which would have really been a provocation. When getting my documents back I was thinking this kid, I mean officer, should probably be cited for missing one of my classes last week or last year, probably a Crim. major!

]]>By: Oroboroshttp://historiann.com/2009/12/02/gun-bans-what-are-we-really-talking-about-here/comment-page-1/#comment-12088
Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:41:47 +0000http://www.historiann.com/?p=8581#comment-12088The Denver Post’s reporting is often lazy. That is somewhat forgivable in an age of declining readership and co-opting of their product by new media and to some degree, the blogosphere. We can say they should adapt faster, but it just isn’t clear to me *how* you do that exactly.

In October I got them to correct this story. The error was pretty clear – they read the same press release that every other organization got, and they made an unwarranted assumption about which President was being targeted in this plot. That story, BTW, is still quite the mystery to me. Why send a threat? Why not prepare to carry it out? Why plead guilty? Why didn’t the DoJ report the motive, since they seem to know it? I tried to get the Boulder Weekly interested in following up, and need to check back to see if they’ve done anything with it.

I found another more disturbing problem that calls into question the editorial integrity of the Denver Post and blogged about it on their site here.

Also re: bans, consider the state of the “open carry” laws. There may actually be some meaning that isn’t discussed in the story. My understanding is that you can legally and openly carry a sidearm almost anywhere without a concealed carry permit unless it is explicitly posted otherwise.

I think some businesses do not want to post such a prohibition because they feel it will deter police officers from patronizing them. I would need to read more, but there may be some benefit to the law that doesn’t related to concealed carry.

]]>By: Historiannhttp://historiann.com/2009/12/02/gun-bans-what-are-we-really-talking-about-here/comment-page-1/#comment-12087
Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:31:15 +0000http://www.historiann.com/?p=8581#comment-12087Indyanna–hah! You’re a non-scraping scofflaw. I knew it! (I guess you figure you’ll be home in the time it would take to scrape it properly?)

Just kidding about the cigarette. But I might be persuaded to engage in political theater of just that sort, depending on what happens with this “gun ban.” (Maybe we could issue Baa Ram U. permits only for mercy killing errant the errant Elk that are always crashing into our dorms.)

]]>By: Indyannahttp://historiann.com/2009/12/02/gun-bans-what-are-we-really-talking-about-here/comment-page-1/#comment-12086
Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:10:20 +0000http://www.historiann.com/?p=8581#comment-12086Say it ain’t so….not a Marlboro? I’m in favor of the campus ban, even if it is effectively unenforceable, and I’m certainly not ready for the metal detector regime. Just because they don’t belong there, period. Of course, I’m also in favor of repealing the Second Amendment if it can’t be interpreted and enforced the way it obviously reads, which is not the way the Supreme Court most recently read it.

I got briefly detained late last night–on a public street, no less–by a friendly campus officer for “carrying” too much unscraped ice on my windshield. Got off with a mild admonishment (and 2-4 minutes of loosely supervised glass scraping).

]]>By: Richhttp://historiann.com/2009/12/02/gun-bans-what-are-we-really-talking-about-here/comment-page-1/#comment-12085
Wed, 02 Dec 2009 20:10:00 +0000http://www.historiann.com/?p=8581#comment-12085At SUNY Buffalo, students fought the administration for close to a decade to keep campus police from having guns.

OTOH, afaik, the only time one was fired on campus by police was in a mercy killing when a deer broke through a pane glass window and fell fatally wounded into a hallway.

It would be so much better if students could assist in such duties, because events like that — quite obviously — happen all the time.