Really no other choice, Joe Biden. The dude is absolute class and passion.

Al Gore is probably my back-up choice; maybe Biden/Gore ticket.

Yeah, those are good, too. In my earlier post, I actually wrote down Al Gore but erased it before posting. I figured I'd get too many objections ranging from political has-been to jetsetting global warming alarmist. Go figure.

Imho, we could do a lot worse than Gore or Biden. In fact, I'm pretty sure either would be way better than what we have currently.

You do realize, that Eisenhower is the one responsible for both the "one nation under God" addition to the Pledge of Allegiance, and the "In God We Trust" motto on our currency.

The first, not the second. The second is from 1864 ... thank Lincoln for that, and the Thanksgiving holiday. Silly Americans in the 1950s, thought that adding G-d to the pledge, would cause Communists to not say it, for fear that their mouths would catch fire from the blasphemy of falsely affirming American Manifest Destiny.

Ultimately the pick should be whichever candidate has the best chance to beat the incumbent, because historically the incumbent has advantage to win re-election.

It also means making sure a loss doesn't burn this candidate's chances in 2024.

Also historically speaking, losing party usually wins in midterm congressional elections immediately following presidential elections, so let's hope the trend keeps up. I am more worried about winning state legislatures, where Democrats have lower turnout. DNC really needs to focus on that. 2020 census, which means redistricting -- need to remind people of that.

Well, as I said, Al Gore. He has the skills and depth of worldwide understanding. As does Hillary Clinton. And they are both eligible. I love Sanders and Brown personally, but I doubt they could govern (but if Trump can be President, that might not matter).

Let me just say that any person not as nuts as Trump would be a better choice. There could be some Republican better than him. Can we have Bush Jr back?

I'm tryin to imagine Cavebear as president... and then Zorn, Hydra, Baruch,trsf. They all sound a whole lot better than Trump; although Baruch might screw things up just for the fun of it

I am the "devil with a blue dress on" ;-) If the world is chaos, and I mess it up more ... sounds a lot like what is the sound of a tree falling ... how can you tell if I did or didn't? Cavebear having working in the government ... knows it better than most, better than Trump of course. I have worked on the periphery of the government for half my life, but I recognize a cluster-F when I see one.