Once back in the glow of the greenish lights, I now seemed to have the courage to begin really looking. "Well, the light seems diffused somehow, as if there is a lot of fog - no, it's dust - dust! Floating in the air."I paused, then continued: "Yet there is no air on the Moon, is there? There is noise of some kind, like a thumping. I can see one of the light towers better now. Hey, it seems built of some very narrow struts of some kind, thin like pencils. Like some sort of pre-fab stuff right out of Buckminster Fuller's stuff.""How high are the light towers?" Axel interrupted. "Well, high enough. I have to find something against which to compare them. Let's see . . . hey, there are some of those tractor-tread marks everywhere. If I guess these are about a foot wide, well, then, let's see, if I compute as correctly as I can, well . . .". I paused, looking at Axel. He was not smiling. "Yes?" he arched his eyebrows."Well, tall -about or let's say over a hundred feet. But?" "'But' what," Axel asked, leaning forward. I swallowed hard, and almost chickened out at this point."Well, I think I got a glimpse of the crater's edge. On it I think I saw a very large tower, very high that is." "Yes?" "Yes! Big, really big." "How big?" I swallowed again."Well, if I compare it to something I am familiar with in New York, about as high as the Secretariat building at the United Nations - which has thirty-nine floors in it." Axel narrowed his lips. "You can see that, then?" But this, as I took it, was a question Axel was asking himself more than me.Again the silence. I decided to again assume what ever initiative I could. "Arn I, then, to assume this stuff really IS on the Moon?If so, this is more than a Moon base, isn't it, Axel?" Again no answer. So I continued: "But this stuff is big. Does NASA or the Soviet space program have the capabilities of getting such large stuff onto the Moon? I thought everyone was having trouble just getting a couple of guys and a dog into orbit. I thought the only thing we got on the Moon was a flag planted in some crater somewhere."As I talked myself through all this a certain glimmer began to dawn in the recesses of my mental darkness. I suddenly stopped speaking. I stared incredulously at Axel. "You mean - am I to assume this stuff is - not OURS! Not made on Earth?"

If not, then you do not know if it happened or not, stop pretending you can prove it did or did not happen.

You did not go, you do not KNOW.

Stupid thread is stupid.

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I have had personal experiences with an RV group in the Netherlands. We were well aware of Ingo Swann´s work. Apart from proving it works (it does) and that anyone with correct focus can do it (they can) we found that emulating what Swann did a terrifying experience (for those that objectively saw). Several locations. Large buildings/constructions. Vents. Vehicles and terrific guardians.

It is dangerous. Those entities can "see" you and follow your signature right to where you are. Needless to say I have no desire to ever try it again.

So you see your discussion is futile about the validity of the landings. They took place - and everything you have been told/shown about the Moon during and after that has been a huge cover-up.

Only two questions that make me have doubts on the moon landings. 1. How did they track to the moon from earth when a hand held game boy had more CPU speed than anything flight control had at the time? You can't just point the rocket at the moon and track straight right? 2. How did they carry a Volkswagon size rover on the lem? That's one big piece of equipment right?

Thread is idiotic, whatever science achievment has to be verified and not the other way around, if conviniently NASA SAID TAPES WERE 'LOST" it's like CERN saying "we lost the particle accelerator". Lunar rocks could be caught on earth the same way they found Martian rocks or devices without any manned-trip. NASA photos of the moon and rovers left on the moon are ridiculous knowing what we can photograph far away and in colors with big resolution images.It's very convenient only USA WENT THERE. Russia wouldn't dare to tell the truth because THEIR STORY is even worst with promotional photos of Gagarin indicating a time gap, with the helmet with USSR logo or without it, with his deformed eyebrow (due to an accident)and normal eyebrow, with fake photos with "vanishing" astronauts, with device landing on snow or green valley, with towers without rocketships, with ship always changing shapes in the photos, with photos resembling drawings, with stupid reports about the way he died, with the data about the things he said he saw not matching with he should've had seen, things nobody knows in USA focused too much in Apollo Freemason trip. Better start checking the astronauts who died and their families. Then watch Capricorn One by the same film director of 2010 Space Odyssey

Your logic is backward--please retake Logic 101, Science 101, History 101, and Law 101. NASA bureaucrats are making an extraordinary claim, that they flew men to the moon (six times!). It is then NASA's job to prove its claim.

The scientist's criterion is independent reproducibility. No other entity has sent anyone to the moon at all, much less using NASA's technology, so this is a fail.

The historian's criterion is independent corroboration. Since no other entity has gone to the moon, no one can verify the truthfulness of NASA's claim. Another fail.

The lawyer's criterion is sworn testimony under cross-examination. As far as I know, neither NASA bureaucrats nor the alleged astronauts themselves have testified extensively under oath and cross-examination about the alleged moon landings. Strike three!

When you consider the special effects technology that was available at the time, which was more extraordinary across the scientific and engineering spectrum than people give credit to; And you consider the web of deceit and lies the government has and continues to weave, it makes it difficult not to consider the authenticity of a moon landing.

And no matter the truth, whatever you tell enough people long enough, it becomes the truth.