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First, America has been the best country on earth for black folks. It was here that 600,000 black people, brought from Africa in slave ships, grew into a community of 40 million, were introduced to Christian salvation, and reached the greatest levels of freedom and prosperity blacks have ever known...

Second, no people anywhere has done more to lift up blacks than white Americans. Untold trillions have been spent since the í60s on welfare, food stamps, rent supplements, Section 8 housing, Pell grants, student loans, legal services, Medicaid, Earned Income Tax Credits and poverty programs designed to bring the African-American community into the mainstream.

Let him go to Altoona and Johnstown, and ask the white kids in Catholic schools how many were visited lately by Ivy League recruiters handing out scholarships for ďdeservingĒ white kids.

Is white America really responsible for the fact that the crime and incarceration rates for African-Americans are seven times those of white America? Is it really white Americaís fault that illegitimacy in the African-American community has hit 70 percent and the black dropout rate from high schools in some cities has reached 50 percent?

Is that the fault of white America or, first and foremost, a failure of the black community itself?

I think he has a point. And blacks arent the only ones- how come Jews arent thanking Nazis? What other country besides Germany went out of their way to build them an area, a gated community even, specifically made for them as a race to live in?

Yeah, I get his point (I'm not an idiot, Mouse). But is it necessary? How about I post all sorts of kill whitey shit in the forums in the sake of sarcasm. What purpose does it serve? In an HIV forum no less.

Yeah, I get his point (I'm not an idiot, Mouse). But is it necessary? How about I post all sorts of kill whitey shit in the forums in the sake of sarcasm. What purpose does it serve? In an HIV forum no less.

I never said you were an idiot.

When you start ignoring the scary folks it's easier to not notice when they start taking over. It does no good to ignore the things we don't wish to hear or acknowledge. I think this is an important lesson for HIV+ people, especially. You could easily pretend that bigoted, deluded people do not exist and not speak about them, but then how would you know what to do when you are confronted with them?

When you start ignoring the scary folks it's easier to not notice when they start taking over. It does no good to ignore the things we don't wish to hear or acknowledge. I think this is an important lesson for HIV+ people, especially. You could easily pretend that bigoted, deluded people do not exist and not speak about them, but then how would you know what to do when you are confronted with them?

Do you think that if it wasn't for this website, I wouldn't know about racism or bigots? I don't come here for education on bigots! I get that in the real world. I get that work. I don't need to get that at Aidsmeds. How would you feel if folks posted shit like that about transsexuals here in the name of education. It's not necessary. It's condescending.

I don't need nor do I pretend that racism or bigotry doesn't exist. It's a question as to whether it belongs here at aidsmeds!

The purpose is that it is real, even in this day and age and unfortunately, all of us ,have to deal with this bullshit. I rather know that this crap is out there than go along thinking it might be getting better. It is wrong and we all know it.

Do you think that if it wasn't for this website, I wouldn't know about racism or bigots? I don't come here for education on bigots! I get that in the real world. I get that work. I don't need to get that at Aidsmeds. How would you feel if folks posted shit like that about transsexuals here in the name of education. It's not necessary. It's condescending.

I don't need nor do I pretend that racism or bigotry doesn't exist. It's a question as to whether it belongs here at aidsmeds!

You are more than welcome to not visit the threads that bother you. Perhaps other people here want to discuss things you don't like. I don't believe that there's a requirement here that states everything must be deemed appropriate by you before being posted.

If someone posted something in a similar vain about transsexuals I would be grateful that people are taking the time to acknowledge there is still work to be done. I find it entirely necessary.

Right. And when you (mouse) came "out", there was of course, a huge moderated sponsored warning for members to tread lightly.

Not that I mind, cause it was the right thing to do. This isn't the place to beat on transexuals, homosexuals, or whatevever...but it also isn't the place to post this sort of shit. Or if it is, then the moderators should be prepared for all sorts of posts!

Right. And when you (mouse) came "out", there was of course, a huge moderated sponsored warning for members to tread lightly.

Not that I mind, cause it was the right thing to do. This isn't the place to beat on transexuals, homosexuals, or whatevever...but it also isn't the place to post this sort of shit. Or if it is, then the moderators should be prepared for all sorts of posts!

And do you know why there had to be a warning? Because there are assholes (believe it or not - even here in this forum!) that would have loved the opportunity to spread their hateful messages. With this in mind you still don't think this is an appropriate place to speak about bigotry and hatred? I'm surprised at you.

I would like to think that the moderators would be more than happy to deal with a frank discussion about racism provided that everyone stayed rational and calm. Like I said earlier, absolutely no good comes from ignoring the issues. I'm glad that it's so easy for you to forget about them, but for me and a large amount of others it's something worth discussing whenever the opportunity rises.

I move we merge this post with the one about bullies.... I've stopped posting because it's completely ok for some to post this utter crap, but watch what happens if you offend the vocal minority. Heaven forbid someone here not go along with the in crowd.

Mouse, if Philly would have said something off mark about Transgenders you would have hit the roof. Philly intentionally made up that subject line to entice these kind of responses. To me it was nothing more than flame baiting.

Mouse, if Philly would have said something off mark about Transgenders you would have hit the roof. Philly intentionally made up that subject line to entice these kind of responses. To me it was nothing more than flame baiting.

I'm glad you feel as though you know enough about me to decide how I should react to things.

To be completely honest with you, I wouldn't have in this context. It's pretty obvious to me what he meant by this post and I'm sorry if the rest of you are so eager to look for a fight.

Mouse you're right I don't know anything about you except what you have posted on this forum. I'll be honest with you. If I had a child that acted like you or put it this way, the way you act on this forum. You would have had your mouth washed out with soap and you would have went to the school I sent you to or you would have went to a detention center. Aren't you glad Mouse I don't really know you and you're not my child?

Mouse you're right I don't know anything about you except what you have posted on this forum. I'll be honest with you. If I had a child that acted like you or put it this way, the way you act on this forum. You would have had your mouth washed out with soap and you would have went to the school I sent you to or you would have went to a detention center. Aren't you glad Mouse I don't really know you and you're not my child?

I don't find it necessary, Mouse. Period. Why do you find it so important? What did you learn from this thread? How did it improve your understanding of society? Did it make you a better person? Or did you just find it entertaining?

Jeebus folks. I made this thread in the hopes that it would outrage enough people to complain perhaps to the likes of MSNBC and Fox News who book Pat Buchanan on a daily basis as a political pundit (gasbag) and election night host. It's not like he's just some average Joe on the street (he was the winner of the GOP New Hampshire primary in the 1992 campaign and the keynote speaker at their convention), yet he openly espouses such blatantly racist views. No wonder he hyperventilates about dark skinned Mexicans crossing the border but insists his outrage is that they're just breaking the law and now any racism -- guess he's wrong.

I think that the outrage on the part of some of our resident posters here is GROSSLY misguided.

Posting something that a jerk-off said about a race is one thing. Posting something hateful about a member of the forums is another.

I agree with Mouse. It's too bad people are so caught up in their own bullshit to have an actual discussion on real issues. And what does posting about somethin Splat Buchanan said have to do with 'kill whitey?' Not once did he mention killing anyone. While I don't agree (at all) with what he said, I wouldn't automatically take it so personally, like the OP is trying to slander a race or flame-bait anyone. Are we all really that thin-skinned?

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I've never killed anyone, but I frequently get satisfaction reading the obituary notices.-Clarence Darrow

I don't find it necessary, Mouse. Period. Why do you find it so important? What did you learn from this thread? How did it improve your understanding of society? Did it make you a better person? Or did you just find it entertaining?

I find it necessary to often speak about the realities of bigotry and hatred in the world and to bring it to the attention of people who would rather ignore such atrocities.

The only thing I found entertaining in this thread was the ridiculous reactions of a few very dramatic, very animated people.

Mouse you're right I don't know anything about you except what you have posted on this forum. I'll be honest with you. If I had a child that acted like you or put it this way, the way you act on this forum. You would have had your mouth washed out with soap and you would have went to the school I sent you to or you would have went to a detention center. Aren't you glad Mouse I don't really know you and you're not my child?

Do you have a problem with that? Oh, I forgot, you're probably busy right now composing your own posts on 'killing whitey.' Really, if someone (say Jesse Jackson) in the black community had something so prejudiced to say about, oh, caucasians or Mexicans, wouldn't that give you just a spark of outrage? Or in your world, is it all 'us vs. them.'

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I've never killed anyone, but I frequently get satisfaction reading the obituary notices.-Clarence Darrow

Do you have a problem with that? Oh, I forgot, you're probably busy right now composing your own posts on 'killing whitey.' Really, if someone (say Jesse Jackson) in the black community had something so prejudiced to say about, oh, caucasians or Mexicans, wouldn't that give you just a spark of outrage? Or in your world, is it all 'us vs. them.'

If you can point to me posting a Jesse Jackson's kill whitey thread...then by all means, dear.....do so!

honestly, the biggest lesson of this thread has turned out to be just who comes slithering out from under their respective rocks to stirs things up as badly as possible. jeez...threads like this get posted all the time in reference to, say....the religious right and gays or whatever. why this one got so blown sky high out of proportion is beyond me.

Why is this topic any different from the Helms bitch that was on last week? That is how I saw it. Whether we want to admit it or not, people like this are out there and they are people that are supposedly educated and in the public eye. This is the place to post this because this is what we deal with.....Welcome to the Real World Aidsmed edition.

Why is this topic any different from the Helms bitch that was on last week? That is how I saw it. Whether we want to admit it or not, people like this are out there and they are people that are supposedly educated and in the public eye. This is the place to post this because this is what we deal with.....Welcome to the Real World Aidsmed edition.