In my opinion, I don't think the McCanns will ever be brought to justice and if you read the following, plus the links, you'll understand why I feel this way. As always, I hope I am proved wrong, not for my sake, but for Madeleine's sake. Madeleine deserves justice, but unless the right people are brought to justice, she will be denied justice.

Andy Redwood, must privately believe that the McCanns should be brought to justice, but he will know that there is little chance of this happening, because there are too many high profile people involved with helping the McCanns escape justice. We all know that the British Government interfered, immediately Alistair Clark received the phone call from Gerry McCann, when Gerry McCann should have been out looking for Madeleine and would have been out looking for Madeleine, if she had disappeared, without the knowledge of he and his wife.

If you open the link below and scroll down the page, until you reach the article: English Government Cuts with McCanns, you'll see what was said and how quickly the British Government were involved.

High ranking police officers are also involved in this unsavoury case, I'll start with Bernard Hogan-Howe. The day after Madeleine disappeared, a police car was sent to the Merseyside home of Kate McCann's parents, Susan and Brian Healey, to take them to Manchester Airport, so they could catch a flight to the Algarve, to be with their daughter. The use of this police car for this purpose, would have had to have been sanctioned, by a very senior police officer, in the Merseyside police. At that time, Bernard Hogan-Howe, was the Chief Constable of Merseyside police.

I know the link below, is a newspaper article, but there was once a You Tube video, of Susan Healey speaking about Madeleine's disappearance and she mentioned a police car taking her and her husband to Manchester Airport.

At the time of this article, I read that Bernard Hogan-Howe, was a friend of Susan and Brian Healey. He attended a fund raising event and helped to release balloons at this event. The world and his wife, knows that this fund, was never used for the purpose it was supposedly set up to be used for, from the minute it was set up. Hogan-Howe, would have also known this, yet he took part in this fund raising event.

When the McCanns were made arguidos, they were given permission to fly home. Their passports were returned to them and after a slight delay, which was caused by the PJ trying and failing to make the McCanns stay in Portugal, the McCanns were given a police escort to the Faro Airport, so they could board the plane for home.

When they arrived at the East Midland Airport, a car containing Special Branch officers, was waiting to take them to their Rothley home. The McCanns along with Robert Murat, were arguidos. The PJ had no evidence at all, that Robert Murat was involved with Madeleine's disappearance, they had even returned all of his personal property to him, but he had to remain in Portugal and adhere to the terms of the arguido status. While the McCanns were not only allowed to fly home, they were given special treatment, by the British police.

A high ranking police officer, within the Leicestershire police, would have had to sanction the use of this police car. Stuart Prior, was and maybe still is a friend of Gerry McCann, was and maybe still is a Superintendent, in the Leicestershire police.

Stuart Prior, has been involved with the case and has contacted the PJ either by emails or in person. He has also sent 'chummy' emails, to some of the Tapas group. In the link below, Stuart Prior, expresses his annoyance at the accusations made against David Payne, due to Katherine Gaspar's very serious allegation against Payne. Katherine Gaspar, made her statement in a Leicester police station, I don't know if it was the station were Prior was based as a Superintendent, but I'll hazard a guess and say he was behind the decision, to send the statement to the PJ, after the McCanns were home and dry.

Everything I have written in the 3 posts, contain some of the reasons why I believe the McCanns will never be brought to justice. If I trawled the net, I'm sure I could find many other reasons why I feel this way. If S.Y. and the P.J. have no intention of bringing the McCanns to justice, why don't they issue a joint statement, saying persons unknown took Madeleine? Ever since the review, which is now an investigation, began 3yrs ago, Redwood has been issuing statements. Below are a couple links to some of the statements Redwood has made, plus a link to the latest visit to the Algarve, made by Redwood and some of his team.

When Cameron, decided to bow to the McCanns wishes, and instigate a review, to be conducted by Scotland Yard, he made it clear, that Scotland Yard, would be assisting the PJ. If this was the case, why did the PJ bow to the wishes of Redwood, when Redwood stated that he didn't want any member of the PJ, who investigated the disappearance of Madeleine, on board the latest investigation. Redwood asked for a new team of PJ investigators and he got a new team of PJ investigators.

I can only imagine, how the Portuguese taxpayers feel, now they're having to fork out more money, to pay for the new team of PJ investigators, to investigate Madeleine's disappearance. Especially the ones who believe the McCanns are responsible for whatever happened to Madeleine and they are the ones who should be brought to justice. If the original team of PJ investigators, led by Goncalo Amaral, had been allowed to investigate the case, without interference from the British Government, the case would have reached a rightful conclusion, with the right people being brought to justice, in my humble opinion.

The problem with all these people being involved with this charade...and there are many.....is something will happen down the line somewhere, these people have families, like with some families one off the family will get into trouble and will need a favour, it may well be a BIG favour but it will happen.....it will.

Too many people involved, not just family, you can keep that virtually contained but other people...no.

Mccanns want case reopened......I now think I know why they wanted it reopened or unshelved.

In Portugal the case is SHELVED pending new information , the mccanns asked for this and there reason was, so they can involve private detectives to search for their daughter.....really they wanted all the Information in the files which pointe to them so they can suppress this infomation and stop it getting Into the public domain......it didn't work.

Next step ....ask for the reopening, use SY to get the witheld files, taking Leicester police to court didn't work either, they got pages off useless information so SY gets involved by going back and forth to Portugal but PJ aren't buying this, there keeping their information secret from SY only telling them what they want them to know....so.....they are going with the 'dead man did it' and SY are back to Portugal to try to 'persuade' the PJ that 'dead man' needs investigating and blamed as the mccanns want this to end.....

The mccanns are using SY to close the case and blame 'dead man'....that's want they really wanted all along, case CLOSED...files SEALED and poor mccanns exonerated as 'dead man' killed Madeleine as SY proved it BUT there's a problem.....PJ wont play ball, PJ are the ONLY ones that can close the case for good and blame 'dead man'.

i dont think there will be anyone charged with taking madeleine - early days maybe but the internet is a wonderful thing - there has been a lot happened since 2007 that is in the public domain - the dogs have been used since 2007 and will be used again - unless they can proove that scent was planted or the dogs are rubbish - that is the only way that anyone that went near that appartment will be free - free from jail yes but never free

Kathybelle and Kitti are quite right IMHO - the British police and establishment have zero interest in pursuing the McCanns. Which makes you wonder why - who is it that has a lot to lose? If there's going to be any justice at all, it's going to come from the Portuguese end.

As an aside, I read the other day that Rafaele Sollecito is now questioning some of Amanda Knox's statements. Maybe to mitigate his own sentence, or maybe he's pissed off at being banged up while she's still running about loose. Either way, romantic and personal ties - no matter how strong at the time - don't always last forever.

I got as far as the first link... http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2007/12/gerry-mccann-did-call-british-media.html

...and I read the replies. The second sounded from a rabid,panic-stricken pro who wanted us all to stfu, calling us all morons with zero education and suggested Joana take up being a driving instructor. LOL.

That's what I like to hear.... people who don't want the truth to get out...panicking.

Well, here's a simple one to follow for "anonymous", the second poster. Kate McCann said the shutters were forced open. This was proved not to be the case by the PJ which made Kate a liar from the start. Also, how did she know that it was an abduction if she wasn't there? An academic qualification isn't required to work simple things out. These pros are supporting a "Doctor" who uses foul language and writes a book entitled "madeleine" which hardly contains anything about Madeleine except a mention of anatomical details for the twins to read when they get older...weird or what? Well, it was for the money, obviously.

I've been on several Fora discussing Madeleine and most, if not all posters come over as genuine , well-educated people who just want Justice for Madeleine.

I have had serious doubts about seeing Justice prevail since day 1 with Gerry and his wider agenda whiteboard and John calling in a few favours from the brotherhood. How can the ordinary Joe stand a chance against such a corrupt system that we have in the UK? What will it take to clean the barrel out of all the rotten apples? The McCann affair will have to be finished and silenced before the General Election next year but both main parties support the McCanns.

I really hope GA wins the libel trial and can claim back huge costs/expenses including interest from his sequestered monies and go on to sue the "newspapers" and all the people who have printed lies about him.

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Iris wrote:Kathybelle and Kitti are quite right IMHO - the British police and establishment have zero interest in pursuing the McCanns. Which makes you wonder why - who is it that has a lot to lose?

i don't think it's got anything to do who's got anything to lose. the case was shelved because although they had a pretty good idea what happened and by 'they' i mean both the portuguese and british police, they simply couldn't prove it. having said that is it not worth considering that this current review is engaged in eliminating all these so called 'leads' and 'persons of interest' until they only have their unprovable theory left?

Iris wrote:Kathybelle and Kitti are quite right IMHO - the British police and establishment have zero interest in pursuing the McCanns. Which makes you wonder why - who is it that has a lot to lose?

i don't think it's got anything to do who's got anything to lose. the case was shelved because although they had a pretty good idea what happened and by 'they' i mean both the portuguese and british police, they simply couldn't prove it. having said that is it not worth considering that this current review is engaged in eliminating all these so called 'leads' and 'persons of interest' until they only have their unprovable theory left?

I would LOVE to believe that Marky, I really would. But somehow it all just seems a bit too clumsy. It's not been that clever a cover-up until now, though, if indeed, that's what it is.

Iris wrote:Kathybelle and Kitti are quite right IMHO - the British police and establishment have zero interest in pursuing the McCanns. Which makes you wonder why - who is it that has a lot to lose?

i don't think it's got anything to do who's got anything to lose. the case was shelved because although they had a pretty good idea what happened and by 'they' i mean both the portuguese and british police, they simply couldn't prove it. having said that is it not worth considering that this current review is engaged in eliminating all these so called 'leads' and 'persons of interest' until they only have their unprovable theory left?

I would LOVE to believe that Marky, I really would. But somehow it all just seems a bit too clumsy. It's not been that clever a cover-up until now, though, if indeed, that's what it is.

it certainly appears that way given the way little stories keep popping up in the media but i tend not to pay any mind to those although the secret dossier story did make me laugh.

I don´t think the Mccanns will ever face justice over anything, not their neglect of the children, not the misuse of "fund" money or anything else. Yes I do believe there is a lot of whitewashing in force, how else do you explain the involvement of very high profile people from the very beginning, how do you explain the vast amount of money thrown at the Mccanns for time wasting and pointless "reviews"? How else do you explain the Mccanns constantly changing stories never being challenged? There are many other questions too, none of which ever get answers from the "powers that be". From day one I have believed that the Mccanns know exactly what happened to Madeleine, I continue to believe that and no matter who they try to pin this disappearance on I will continue to believe that the Mccanns themselves know what happened to that child. What I don´t know, and most likely never will know, is just why the Mccanns have received such special treatment all these years.

Iris wrote:Kathybelle and Kitti are quite right IMHO - the British police and establishment have zero interest in pursuing the McCanns. Which makes you wonder why - who is it that has a lot to lose?

i don't think it's got anything to do who's got anything to lose. the case was shelved because although they had a pretty good idea what happened and by 'they' i mean both the portuguese and british police, they simply couldn't prove it. having said that is it not worth considering that this current review is engaged in eliminating all these so called 'leads' and 'persons of interest' until they only have their unprovable theory left?

The 'leads' they are eliminating are as farcical as the scripts for a B rated movie. They've involved everyone who was in Portugal, (or on planet earth) at the time of Madeleine's disappearance, from a group of men in white van who may have been burglars who may have spoken to each other on their mobile telephones at some point during their lives, through Gypsies to an Australian Millionairess, to a cancer riddled paedophile who may have been in the area, probably in a wheelchair at the time. Their 'unprovable theory' is the only plausible 'theory' that has been trashed not by counter evidence but by Red Top Rags and TV pundits dissing, (for reasons which we will probably never know) good solid evidence and evidence gathering.

So I along with most others believe we will never know what happened to Madeleine, but we all know who was responsible for her safety and well being.....

I don't think the McCanns will be charged either. They COULD have been charged with fraud, they definitely misused the Fund. I know a couple of people who have tried to get the Fund investigated, got so far and met a brick wall. I would love to know what the McCanns have that prompted the help of 3 Prime Ministers , their very own PR Guru, unlimited Press , none of whom have investigated privately the way the Fund has been administered.

Kathybelle and Kitti are quite right IMHO - the British police and establishment have zero interest in pursuing the McCanns. Which makes you wonder why - who is it that has a lot to lose?------------------------------------------------------------

Very 'expensive' (£7.5 MILLION and rising daily) for 'zero' interest!

Logically, IF they have zero interest in PURSUING the McCanns they must have another interest with the McCanns.

38 'solely dedicated' full time McCann 'cops' and unlimited 'funding' says there IS an "interest" somewhere related to this 'case'.

PROTECTING the McCanns?

Now WHY would they do THAT?

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Iris wrote:Kathybelle and Kitti are quite right IMHO - the British police and establishment have zero interest in pursuing the McCanns. Which makes you wonder why - who is it that has a lot to lose?

i don't think it's got anything to do who's got anything to lose. the case was shelved because although they had a pretty good idea what happened and by 'they' i mean both the portuguese and british police, they simply couldn't prove it. having said that is it not worth considering that this current review is engaged in eliminating all these so called 'leads' and 'persons of interest' until they only have their unprovable theory left?

Their 'unprovable theory' is the only plausible 'theory' that has been trashed not by counter evidence but by Red Top Rags and TV pundits dissing, (for reasons which we will probably never know) good solid evidence and evidence gathering.

those reasons are that those concerned simply couldn't, wouldn't, accept that two medical professionals could possibly have done what was being suggested. if they'd been a couple from benefit street then yeah, maybe but two of their own? no, ludicrous.

Marky, can I take it you are a Dexter fan? Have you watched all 8 seasons? I have.

I think everything in the McCann holiday week was planned after the demise of Madeleine.

I think Gerry was to force the shutters but jeremy Wilkins kept him talking. Kate didn't know that the shutters hadn't been damaged so went ahead with the damaged shutters story or if she found out she still went ahead with the lie. How dumb was that? However, it does appear that the McCanns can say & do anything and nothing will become of it. They have, however, made politicians and police look like jumping puppets. What with the McCanns and the NOTW hacking affairs, it has shown what a sordid state the country is in.

The PJ suspected it was all staged but the UK police don't want to know that their whiter than white (code white) McCanns are liars or that the dogs indicated a dead body...head in the sand when it comes to any facts.

As long as some are beyond the law , certain people will never be brought to trial. What remains is the civil route.

jeanmonroe wrote:Kathybelle and Kitti are quite right IMHO - the British police and establishment have zero interest in pursuing the McCanns. Which makes you wonder why - who is it that has a lot to lose?------------------------------------------------------------

Very 'expensive' (£7.5 MILLION and rising daily) for 'zero' interest!

Logically, IF they have zero interest in PURSUING the McCanns they must have another interest with the McCanns.

38 'solely dedicated' full time McCann 'cops' and unlimited 'funding' says there IS an "interest" somewhere related to this 'case'.

PROTECTING the McCanns?

Now WHY would they do THAT?

I think Politics has a lot to do with it. It was Gerry McCann who phoned Tony Blair within an hour of Madeleine going missing,? Why him? How could Gerry know madeleine would not be found alive? There were English speaking OC Staff they could have turned to for help. Tony Blair phoned John Buck, the Ambassador to Portugal within the hour and after 2 days helping the McCanns , he advised the Foreign office to take care because the Tapas Statements did not tally, he was bundled off after 3 months. We know Gerry was being groomed to become a Labour MP , I suspect he had damaging info which would have been embarrassing for Government , which is why the McCanns got the red carpet treatment. Plus of course, the Press did their bit, a young couple of Doctors, photogenic, as was Madeleine , the press too made a lot of money and were quite happy to presume the McCanns innocent.

Iris wrote:Kathybelle and Kitti are quite right IMHO - the British police and establishment have zero interest in pursuing the McCanns. Which makes you wonder why - who is it that has a lot to lose?

i don't think it's got anything to do who's got anything to lose. the case was shelved because although they had a pretty good idea what happened and by 'they' i mean both the portuguese and british police, they simply couldn't prove it. having said that is it not worth considering that this current review is engaged in eliminating all these so called 'leads' and 'persons of interest' until they only have their unprovable theory left?

Their 'unprovable theory' is the only plausible 'theory' that has been trashed not by counter evidence but by Red Top Rags and TV pundits dissing, (for reasons which we will probably never know) good solid evidence and evidence gathering.

those reasons are that those concerned simply couldn't, wouldn't, accept that two medical professionals could possibly have done what was being suggested. if they'd been a couple from benefit street then yeah, maybe but two of their own? no, ludicrous.

Patients are being kept in the dark about disgraced medics allowed to practise despite criminal records that would ban them from other jobs

MirrorpixFinding out your family doctor has a conviction for child porn, violence or drug trafficking would probably make most people think twice about being treated by them.

But thousands of patients are being kept in the dark about disgraced medics who are allowed to practise despite criminal records that would ban them from other jobs.

Those who have been convicted of possessing child sex images are even believed to be free to treat kids.

There are nearly 1,000 physicians, surgeons and GPs with criminal records.

But even those with the most serious have still kept hold of their posts.

The revelations will come as a shock to the millions of people who put their trust in doctors, many of whom are vulnerable or at a low ebb and have complete faith in the person treating them.

And campaign groups last night called on the General Medical Council, the body that licences practitioners, to tell patients if their doctors are perverts, pushers or thugs.

Roger Goss of Patient Concern said: “Patients should be made aware if their doctor is found guilty of serious criminal offences that could affect their care and be allowed to make up their own minds if they want to risk being treated by them.

“The GMC should be open and ­transparent in these matters but time and time again they have failed in this respect.

"The problem is that the GMC is funded by doctors while their prime duty is to protect patients but these two things often come into conflict.”

Official figures reveal there are 927 doctors and surgeons with a criminal record, some with more than one offence to their name.

None of the patients they treat have been informed.

A Mirror investigation discovered 25 have convictions for actual bodily harm and three for grievous bodily harm.

Three sick male medics were caught in ­possession of indecent images of children, two found guilty of causing death by dangerous driving and two of trafficking drugs.

Two have convictions for cruelty to children, nine for attacking their partners, five for harassment and two for possessing offensive weapons.

One made threats to kill, another has a conviction for perverting justice, one for perjury and five were guilty of fraud.

Eight male doctors have records for kerb crawling, 24 for forgery and 11 for theft offences.

The shocking statistics were revealed by the GMC in response to a Freedom of ­Information request.

Labour MP Grahame Morris, who sits on the Health Select Committee, said: “This is an issue of considerable public unease and the Mirror is quite right to reflect these concerns.”

Medical chiefs claim they cannot ban all offenders because it could breach their human rights.

Surgeon operating on patientConcern: Surgeon operating on patientThe GMC said it looked at applying for an automatic block on doctors who are on the sex offenders’ register but added: “Advice was obtained from a leading QC who concluded that an automatic bar, without exceptions, would not be compatible with human rights ­legislation.”

The organisation said it was working to secure the ­automatic right to strike off those convicted of sex offences.

Critics of the system want ­permanent bans on criminal medics amid fears the GMC has no access to the sex offenders’ register and relies on the police to inform its officials of court sentences.

The body insisted some doctors with convictions do have restrictions imposed on them.

Individual NHS trusts are free to take their own action against them.

Under the law cautions and ­convictions for doctors have to be examined by their governing body.

However, in many cases the GMC allows them to still practise, while issuing a warning or temporary suspension.

Only a small number of court cases hit the headlines.

GMC chief ­executive Niall Dickson said: “Our job is to protect patients by ensuring that only doctors who are fit to practise are able to do so.

“The number of licensed doctors with criminal convictions is extremely small and in the vast majority of cases these are either subject to restrictions on their practise or are struck off.”

The largest category of convictions among medics at 296 was for being drunk at the wheel, while 182 have records for dangerous driving.

There are 257 with criminal records that have not been ­categorised.

The GMC will take action if it has doubts about whether a doctor should stay on the register.

But decisions on whether to strike them off are taken by an ­independent panel of experts and cannot be appealed against by the GMC.

Case Study 1: Dr Amit Misra

Dr Amit MisraManslaughter: Dr Amit MisraMisra, 42, was found guilty of gross negligence and given a suspended jail term for manslaughter after dad-of-one Sean Phillips got toxic shock syndrome following a routine knee operation.

He was also suspended from practising after the GMC heard he failed to carry out basic tests.

But in 2007 he was allowed to start again – a decision Mr Phillips’ family called “scandalous”.

His dad Myles said: “I’m amazed they gave him a chance. Are they that desperate for doctors? He effectively killed my son.”

Mr Phillips, 31, damaged left knee ligaments jumping a bollard after a party in 2000.

He was taken to Southampton General Hospital but junior doctor Misra and a colleague on an orthopaedic ward failed to order a blood test and give him life-saving antibiotics, a trial at Winchester crown court heard.

Case Study 2: Dr Benjamin Obukofe

Benjamin ObukofeSex pest: Benjamin ObukofeObukofe, 44, was found guilty in April 2011 of sexually assaulting two colleagues, including a girl of 17.

Although the married father got a suspended sentence and was put on the sex offenders’ register for seven years, he was not struck off. He will be free to work next year.

Obukofe worked at the private Spire Hospital, in Oadby, Leics, when he carried out the attacks in 2007.

He pinched the bottom of one staff member and hugged and tried to kiss another.

After he was found guilty at Leicester crown court, a GMC hearing ruled: “Your convictions, although serious, are not so serious as to be fundamentally incompatible with your continuing to be a registered medical practitioner.”

Case Study 3: Dr Madhup Mehrotra

EX-POLICE surgeon Mehrotra, 62, was jailed for stealing more than £150,000 by posing as 12 dead residents of his nursing home.

He got three years in 1995 for using their identities to claim up to £9,000 in benefits payments a month.

Mehrotra was struck off after his trial and his attempt to be reinstated in 1998 was turned down.

But after a 2002 hearing, the General Medical Council decided to readmit him.

South Wales police found he had been running the benefits scam at his Castledene Nursing Home for three years.

Newport crown court heard he had even received replacement benefit and pension books for his dead residents.

Panda wrote:Question: Are we level headed free thinking Forum Members who come to a conclusion from genuine information, or are we, as many suggest nasty uncaring biased creatures.

Kate has never denied making that statement... Therefore the label of being uncaring creatures needs hanging around some other necks, not ours...

Hi malena, i don't think this case will ever be resolved , once the Portugese close the case, SY already packed up and left, it will be like the JonBenet case, the Parents suspected and hounded by gossip and the Press so much so that they moved to another State, the Wife died a few years later.