1. How do I get from one side of the maze to the other without walking across it. Need to work that out.2. How can I somehow defeat the ghosts? If I eat enough pills, will that do it or will I simply OD?

Phoenix Wright is a strange one to categorize though so I can kind of see how you'd call it a puzzler, I'd personally class it as a Visual Novel with puzzle elements (same as Professor Layton and 999).

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Phoenix Wright is a strange one to categorize though so I can kind of see how you'd call it a puzzler, I'd personally class it as a Visual Novel with puzzle elements (same as Professor Layton and 999).

Doesn't it also have point and click elements for when searching crime scenes etc?

Phoenix Wright is a strange one to categorize though so I can kind of see how you'd call it a puzzler, I'd personally class it as a Visual Novel with puzzle elements (same as Professor Layton and 999).

I knew someone would call me out on this list.

In defence of my picks:Monkey Ball, Wario Ware, Phoenix Wright and Bomberman have all been nominated by others.From the OP:

SerialCeler wrote:As always, the definition is up to you, but here's what Wikipedia has to say:

Puzzle video games are a genre of video games that emphasise puzzle solving. The types of puzzles can test many problem-solving skills including logic, pattern recognition, sequence solving, and word completion. The player may have unlimited time or attempts to solve a puzzle, or there may be simple puzzles made difficult by having to complete them in real-time

Using this definition, Populous definitely qualifies.And Scene It? is just a puzzle game for multiple people, although I'd say that's the most contentious game I've included. I'd doubt it'll matter much in the final standings though.

'Puzzle game' is certainly the most woolly of all the genres. I think it's interesting that Portal and its sequel have been included by many and none have found that contentious as it's a first-person game that involves firing things and requires you to solve puzzles to complete levels... which is pretty much the definition of an FPS. Portal doesn't have killing or ammo so it doesn't fit that genre neatly either but if you justify its inclusion based on the fact that you have to complete a series of puzzles to pass a level, well, you could use that justification to include thousands of other games as 'puzzle' games.

Fries. Wedges. Crisps? wrote:'Puzzle game' is certainly the most woolly of all the genres. I think it's interesting that Portal and its sequel have been included by many and none have found that contentious as it's a first-person game that involves firing things and requires you to solve puzzles to complete levels... which is pretty much the definition of an FPS. Portal doesn't have killing or ammo so it doesn't fit that genre neatly either but if you justify its inclusion based on the fact that you have to complete a series of puzzles to pass a level, well, you could use that justification to include thousands of other games as 'puzzle' games.

Not really. I'd describe it as a game built around solving puzzles.

Not sure where you get puzzle solving as part of the definition of an FPS, pretty sure you'll find most FPS games contain absolutely no puzzle solving whatsoever. Something like Half Life 2 might contain limited puzzle elements but its clearly not a core of the game. Whereas Portal is built around solving puzzles, that's pretty much all you do in that game.

Could you give an example? Solving puzzles is pretty fundamental to almost every videogame genre.

Any Call of Duty game you'd care to name. Battlefield. Halo. Battlefront. It's almost harder to find a FPS game that contains legitimate puzzles than not.

Not quite sure what you count as puzzle solving, but I'm pretty sure its not 'fundamental' to many genres. Not sure if you are getting tactics and strategy mixed up with puzzles, because they aren't the same thing.