Off topic but I went back and read some 2007 threads and GRF was on point about Eli Manning. It pains me to tell that.

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Originally Posted by GiantRutgersFan

its his name..... what is there to not comment about....

And Eli is a top 10 QB imo. people asked me to post my opinions, so i did so.

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Originally Posted by GiantRutgersFan

I think he is. He's more of a game changer then most of the QB's you guys mentioned. I watch him week in, week out. and I am telling you that theres something about the guy. I see the guy come through and put us in a position to win games a hell of a lot....

Im done with this topic and dont need to be baited into continuing this topic. I said my piece, and thats it. agree/disagree i dont really care.....

Intangibles are the worst part of Eli's game. He shows no leadership, he has no pocket presence, he's a *****, and he generally locks up in the clutch. His stats actually make him look better than he really is. As for your list.

Show that to BF!!! Shame him to death. The locks up in the cluth part is the worst in that description. The one thing Eli always was that we held onto here was his clutch factor. Even when he struggled mightily he led us back in the 4th numerous times.

Beckum hurt again?! How did that happen? He did nothing!! I am really not starting to think we should re-sign KP. I'd rather use Brown or draft a safety at some point. This guy has played what? 5 games out of the 11?

Beckum hurt again?! How did that happen? He did nothing!! I am really not starting to think we should re-sign KP. I'd rather use Brown or draft a safety at some point. This guy has played what? 5 games out of the 11?

but the games he's played the difference in our D was night and day. We need to keep him

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Originally Posted by PalmerToCJ

BTW, if it's 3rd and 97... I'm throwing a screen pass to Brian Leonard and he will convert.

And that is the way we want it to be. I want to keep Gilbride here for as long as Eli plays. I mean, he has his flaws as a playcaller as well. But you can't argue the end results. Do I wish we were better in the red-zone? Yes. Do I wish we would call more creative plays from time to time? Yes.

But in the end, a perennially top ten ranked scoring offense, and two Super Bowls makes me think we'd be much better off keeping him for as long as we can. There are a lot of crappy Offensive coordinators out there.

I mean, I could make an argument. He's had an absurd amount of offensive talent in his time here as a coach. He has a potential HOF QB and arguably one of the best and most clutch players at the position of all time (or at least in the top 5 for sure). Arguably, with a better and more simple system we would put up Green Bay type numbers. Not to mention his situational play calling is pretty poor.

Now that said, I understand we're attached to Gilbride at the hip until Coughlin or Eli is gone but I believe our offensive could be truly special in the right hands.

I mean, I could make an argument. He's had an absurd amount of offensive talent in his time here as a coach. He has a potential HOF QB and arguably one of the best and most clutch players at the position of all time (or at least in the top 5 for sure). Arguably, with a better and more simple system we would put up Green Bay type numbers. Not to mention his situational play calling is pretty poor.

Now that said, I understand we're attached to Gilbride at the hip until Coughlin or Eli is gone but I believe our offensive could be truly special in the right hands.

Yeah, I can also envision our offense being even more potent with an even better playcaller. But who else is out there who is better and available? I feel that if we change OC now, whether it'd be forced upon us or voluntarily, We'd be more likely to downgrade than upgrade our offense.

I guess I just feel that the grass wouldn't necessarily be greener on the other side of the fence.

I mean, I could make an argument. He's had an absurd amount of offensive talent in his time here as a coach. He has a potential HOF QB and arguably one of the best and most clutch players at the position of all time (or at least in the top 5 for sure). Arguably, with a better and more simple system we would put up Green Bay type numbers. Not to mention his situational play calling is pretty poor.

Now that said, I understand we're attached to Gilbride at the hip until Coughlin or Eli is gone but I believe our offensive could be truly special in the right hands.

I do too! I always said in a new system, Eli would put up even bigger numbers! I still do this day will say it. I hope I get to see Eli play in another system before Eli retires.

But also the flip side is this.. Eli didn't become a HOF QB until Gilbride took over. If Huffy still was our OC, I think Eli would be released. I don't think Eli becomes good at all. In fact, he would be a bust who most likely isn't on the team right now. It was Gilbride who saved Eli's career.