Agreed! It's just a pity that the amusing sessions Febble's intervention provided are now ex-sessions.

They made UD worth my while reading for a while. A pity there won't be any more sessions, but what else could they do? Bannination works every time, although it doesn't quite contribute much to the credibility or respect that ID is in sore neded of.

I think UD is now a Dead Blog walking. I will be surprised as hell if they last out the year, and I'm willing to let Dr. Dr. Dembski off the hook for his single-malt bet-welching (sorry Louis)* if they last up to ten years!

After they re-lock up BA^77, probably for violating SLoT and his parole terms, and after the authorities on Montserrat figure out that KairosFocus is behind a series of unsolved violent crimes against women, there will be nobody but Joe over there.

They will soon be longing for the Halycon Days of Glory™when Overwhelmingly Everdense would generate up to 10 posts a month.

* Louis is not Welsh. At least that's his story, and he's sticking to it.

The ARN site died when the IDiots banned all the critics. It twitched on for a year or so, but that could have been maggots under the skin.

--------------"Science is the horse that pulls the cart of philosophy."

Well, he's leaving (left?) Southern Bible Thump College and becoming a full time Discovery Institute employee. And seeing that the DI is your archetypal propaganda mill then I would expect Dembski to take full advantage of UD's status as the 'Premier ID blog' to peddle his latest books, conferences and wisdom.

That said, even Dembski himself must realise that his previous attempts to interact with the Real World have been uniformly embarrassing to both him and the Revolution....the DI might just be paying him to keep his head down.

Well, he's leaving (left?) Southern Bible Thump College and becoming a full time Discovery Institute employee. And seeing that the DI is your archetypal propaganda mill then I would expect Dembski to take full advantage of UD's status as the 'Premier ID blog' to peddle his latest books, conferences and wisdom.

That said, even Dembski himself must realise that his previous attempts to interact with the Real World have been uniformly embarrassing to both him and the Revolution....the DI might just be paying him to keep his head down.

I would be surprised if he started posting there. I would not be surprised if he started posting malicious nonsense on EN&V. I would not be surprised if he started *another* other blog to gloss over the colossal failure of UD. He's got to realize, however dimly he perceives reality, that associating himself with the UD shitbin full of glossolalic bigots and dishonest pretenders and computationally challenged liars for jesus dulls the thin blade of the Wedge

--------------You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

Those that come here and, even in good faith and with civil tongue, reiterate misrepresentations of ID corrected in the FAQ, or rhetorical characterizations of ID and anti-ID argument/positions, or offer only patently absurd, uninformed and unexamined materialist, atheist, or moral relativist commentary & propaganda as if it were reasoned argument, should be quickly shown the door.

A reasonable, ethical host is not obligated to suffer the rhetorical, blathering nonsense of materialists, atheists, determinists and moral relativists in his own home ad infinitum just because his guests are polite and believe they are being honest and well-meaning.

Some retrospective self-justification going on here, I think: It's not that we are rude, it's that we are wrong. And nobody is under any ethical obligation to be told they are wrong by people who are, themselves, wrong.

William: that's how you build an echo chamber.

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William prefers crickets to critics. Arf! Arf! You see what I did there? ... I changed ... anyhoo ...

--------------SoapySam is a pathetic asswiper. Joe G

BTW, when you make little jabs like â€śI thought basic logic was one thing UDers could handle,â€ť you come off looking especially silly when you turn out to be wrong. - Barry Arrington

I have a homosexual son, so I don’t take homosexual jokes lightly. But for all the absence of gay jokes here, After the Bar Closes is a place my college age son would be welcomed, treated well, and supported like a human being. This place is the cesspool for people who are homosexuals, and if you’d like, I could get him to post here to confirm. Worshipping the God you worship is a much deeper and profound offense, a kind of wickedness no “HOMO” jokes can touch. So, if you want to talk about decency toward homosexuals, you are in the gutter hanging with the culture you do, right here.

beautiful. whats even better, the "HOMO" jokes are a parody of DaveScot's actual behavior at UD years ago. that context is lost on this fool

eigenstate

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Well, suit yourself. But people aren’t stupid, over there or here. I know the ‘OMG look at the fisting jokes’ appeal is going to work on some demagogic level, but it doesn’t fool people who are really following along. It’s just another cop out, another lazy, and frankly cowardly way to avoid the real areas of conflict.

is anyone making fisting jokes at UD? Oh yeah I didn't think so. so, for another reason it's a huge who gives a fuck. but as eigenstate is saying (more gently) tone trolling and pearl clutching lets them avoid the real problem.

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You have no idea what my views on homosexual behavior are, and frankly, your clumsy attempt to paint me with the brush you’re using not only fails – it establishes you as quite a punk and a hypocrite besides. Go tolerate the “queer” jokes at your cesspool and write it all off as “well I bet they vote the right way, and that makes it okay”, but don’t try to project your guilty conscience onto me.

"queer" jokes? "punk"? ROFLMAO. get the crucifix out of your ass dullasalus

eigenstate to stephenB mewling about "civility not wasting others time"

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I agree this. This is also the basis for the “meta-criticism” of UD, the incivility that makes locker-room haranguing a minor faux pas by comparison. UD is expert at wasting critics time. Ask any of the critics, they will tell you that it is an impossible task to get UDers to sustain a serious, substantial exchange over the “methodology of ID” as science. Your posts are a very good example, predictably poisoning that well with “worldview” style critiques, and all the cultural phenomenon stuff you say you want to keep separate. If I’m wrong, maybe you can link me to your last substantial exchange with a critic on this methodology. I think I can link you to a LOT of the “cultural phenomenon” you put out.

fucking A! been there done that sweatheart, that's why this thread exists. muah

then gordon mullings jacks off for 27 points but i aint reading all that shit man

Null, I fully agree with you here. Barry obviously went livid with what must have been the last straw when Dr REC dropped an obscenity, but what is going on elsewhere behind that sort of contempt to your HOST in a context where you are a GUEST is atrocious and inexcusable. And, it is directly connected, almost in real time, to what is happening here. Look, I saw people nastily speculating on whether Zoe [who is most definitely not me] is me, basically live; and in a context where it is obvious that these have been obsessively running all over the net to see what dirt they could try to find, or what they could twist to caricature and demonise. Look, my expose of web porn — it is apparently so bad that a good fraction of net traffic in recent years was this stuff, and porn is implicated in something like half of US divorces from the divorce lawyers (don’t tell me it is harmless fun) was twisted into gleeful nonsense that tried to make me out to be a pornographer or whatever you call one of those — I guess they did not realise I asked the FBI unit to look into the case I checked out, in hopes that a skunk’s hide could be nailed up to the wall. I hope they get him and I hope he rots in gaol for what he is doing, my gorge rises just to remember that this sort of exploitation is going on. I saw the man who runs a hate site that targets members of the UD community and which has threatened members of my family, operating as one of the circle in evidently good standing. I have seen far more than I want to speak of here, and none of it good. Barry is the host, and I think he was entirely within his rights to say, enough is enough on this case. And no, I see no need to wallow in filth and abuse from those who show every sign that they are sick, rage-sick, just to discuss a scientific issue. Their behaviour has forfeited any and all rights to civil discussion. Right now, what is troubling me is I am seeing abusive patterns I remember all too well from my days when I had to expose and correct destructive, manipulative groups. KF

Some thread that is. Gordon confesses to having Alzheimer's, making life even harder for his poor mum:

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Women are more than half the population, and have a lot to say that is significant about many things. I deeply miss being able to have a serious conversation with my mom, due to steadily advancing Alzheimer’s.

Watching them watch us watch them has to be some of the funniest shit that's ever gone down on this thread. We all *know* they *all* follow this thread, day in day out. And now it's been linked to several times even those who somehow did not know now know. And now they are commenting on the commentary!

C'mon UDers, can't you see the banner at the top of the page?

--------------I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot standGordon Mullings

gordon, we feel sorry for your family. to the extent that Jared Jammer's criticism of people who take the time to follow the UD shitshow is valid, it is YOU who expends the most amount of time and energy and spittle.

so, "Mr Leathers", when they find out you are a pornographer all I can do is LMFAO but i was doing that anyway

--------------You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

Hmm, this sort of talk reminds me of somebody else. Let me think now. Problems are something that require solutions. Solutions, ideally, are permanent. So you'd only need one of them. I guess you'd want to get it right first time so you'd only do it one time so your first would also be your last.

So Gordo seems to be advocating some sort of final solution for the people he has classified as being a problem.

Hmm.

Could Gordo really be attempting to start World War Three?

--------------I also mentioned that He'd have to give me a thorough explanation as to *why* I must "eat human babies".FTK

if there are even critical flaws in Gauger’s work, the evo mat narrative cannot standGordon Mullings

Null, I fully agree with you here. Barry obviously went livid with what must have been the last straw when Dr REC dropped an obscenity, but what is going on elsewhere behind that sort of contempt to your HOST in a context where you are a GUEST is atrocious and inexcusable. And, it is directly connected, almost in real time, to what is happening here. Look, I saw people nastily speculating on whether Zoe [who is most definitely not me] is me, basically live; and in a context where it is obvious that . Look, my expose of web porn — it is apparently so bad that a good fraction of net traffic in recent years was this stuff, and porn is implicated in something like half of US divorces from the divorce lawyers (don’t tell me it is harmless fun) was twisted into gleeful nonsense that tried to make me out to be a pornographer or whatever you call one of those — I guess they did not realise I asked the FBI unit to look into the case I checked out, in hopes that a skunk’s hide could be nailed up to the wall. I hope they get him and I hope he rots in gaol for what he is doing, my gorge rises just to remember that this sort of exploitation is going on. I saw the man who runs a hate site that targets members of the UD community and which has threatened members of my family, operating as one of the circle in evidently good standing. I have seen far more than I want to speak of here, and none of it good. Barry is the host, and I think he was entirely within his rights to say, enough is enough on this case. And no, I see no need to wallow in filth and abuse from those who show every sign that they are sick, rage-sick, just to discuss a scientific issue. Their behaviour has forfeited any and all rights to civil discussion. Right now, what is troubling me is I am seeing abusive patterns I remember all too well from my days when I had to expose and correct destructive, manipulative groups. KF

I have seen far more than I want to speak of here, and none of it good.

gordon e mullings is the poster boy for melodrama.

Maybe someone could push gordo for proof that I threatened him and his family ("Mafioso style")? He has been accusing me of that for a long time, and he is willfully, blatantly LYING.

I think it's pretty funny, but not surprising, that he bitches about "these have been obsessively running all over the net to see what dirt they could try to find, or what they could twist to caricature and demonise" when his entire, miserable life is based on obsessively running all over the net (and elsewhere) to see what dirt he can try to find (including porn), and what he can dishonestly and arrogantly twist to caricature and demonize. That's ALL he does.

Ya know, if gordo hasn't left any "dirt" on the internet, what's he worried about? Only the guilty are concerned about someone looking at what they have put out in public on the internet.

And what the fuck does porn on the internet have to do with what happened at UD?

--------------Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27

Null, I fully agree with you here. Barry obviously went livid with what must have been the last straw when Dr REC dropped an obscenity, but what is going on elsewhere behind that sort of contempt to your HOST in a context where you are a GUEST is atrocious and inexcusable. And, it is directly connected, almost in real time, to what is happening here. Look, I saw people nastily speculating on whether Zoe [who is most definitely not me] is me, basically live; and in a context where it is obvious that these have been obsessively running all over the net to see what dirt they could try to find, or what they could twist to caricature and demonise. Look, my expose of web porn — it is apparently so bad that a good fraction of net traffic in recent years was this stuff, and porn is implicated in something like half of US divorces from the divorce lawyers (don’t tell me it is harmless fun) was twisted into gleeful nonsense that tried to make me out to be a pornographer or whatever you call one of those — I guess they did not realise I asked the FBI unit to look into the case I checked out, in hopes that a skunk’s hide could be nailed up to the wall. I hope they get him and I hope he rots in gaol for what he is doing, my gorge rises just to remember that this sort of exploitation is going on. I saw the man who runs a hate site that targets members of the UD community and which has threatened members of my family, operating as one of the circle in evidently good standing. I have seen far more than I want to speak of here, and none of it good. Barry is the host, and I think he was entirely within his rights to say, enough is enough on this case. And no, I see no need to wallow in filth and abuse from those who show every sign that they are sick, rage-sick, just to discuss a scientific issue. Their behaviour has forfeited any and all rights to civil discussion. Right now, what is troubling me is I am seeing abusive patterns I remember all too well from my days when I had to expose and correct destructive, manipulative groups. KF

I have seen far more than I want to speak of here, and none of it good.

Now, come on Gordon. The last notion offered on the topic was either that Zoe is a bootlicking sycophant, or, given that the content of his posts is almost entirely plagiarized, his stool contains large undigested chunks of your prose. Or both.

It's the stink, and he texture. Very similar.

--------------Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."- David Foster Wallace

"Hereâ€™s a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."- Barry Arrington

I actually read this morning one of the contributors to antievolution.org fantasizing about one of the UD personnel fist-f__ing a donkey. Science at its worst, coming from your side of the debate. I’m actually thankful it is in full view, especially to the young folks watching all of this. Very entertaining, I’m having a good time at it.

Did I miss something, or is he comparing Dembski to a donkey here?

--------------After much reflection I finally realized that the best way to describe the cause of the universe is: the great I AM.

I'm gonna assume gaydar is your pet name for your penis, in which case, I can't say I'm really surprised. Any competent psychologist would tell you that the level of obsession you fruitcakes show for I.D. and its proponents is clearly rooted in sex.

I'm gonna assume gaydar is your pet name for your penis, in which case, I can't say I'm really surprised. Any competent psychologist would tell you that the level of obsession you fruitcakes show for I.D. and its proponents is clearly rooted in sex.

Long story short: You're in love with William Dembski.

Someone should introduce Dr. Jammer to chunkdz.

--------------And the set of natural numbers is also the set that starts at 0 and goes to the largest number. -- Joe G

I'm gonna assume gaydar is your pet name for your penis, in which case, I can't say I'm really surprised. Any competent psychologist would tell you that the level of obsession you fruitcakes show for I.D. and its proponents is clearly rooted in sex.

Long story short: You're in love with William Dembski.

awwwwwww its back

chunkdz is that you? LMFAO

ETA keiths JINXIES

--------------You're obviously illiterate as hell. Peach, bro.-FtK

Finding something hard to believe based on the evidence, is science.-JoeG

All this shows me is that U.D. mods are fair-minded and polite when they're dealing with fair-minded, polite commentators.

How many people here can be described as fair-minded and polite when it comes to I.D.? The answer to that question is the answer to why you've all been banned, some of you repeatedly, at U.D.

Liz had potential, as kairosfocus made clear. Unfortunately, her nutty, unscientific worshiping of the conveniently undetectable Blind Watchmaker, combined with her association with you scum bums, finally bit her in the ass.

I'm gonna assume gaydar is your pet name for your penis, in which case, I can't say I'm really surprised. Any competent psychologist would tell you that the level of obsession you fruitcakes show for I.D. and its proponents is clearly rooted in sex.

Long story short: You're in love with William Dembski.

--------------Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. - Jesus in Matthew 10:34

But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. -Jesus in Luke 19:27