Comments on The gay-marriage bill (Illinois Senate Bill 10), text versionTypePad2013-10-21T19:16:40ZEric Zornhttp://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/tag:typepad.com,2003:http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2013/10/the-gay-marriage-bill-illinois-senate-bill-10-text-version/comments/atom.xml/LizH commented on 'The gay-marriage bill (Illinois Senate Bill 10), text version'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b4ba69e2019b00368aef970b2013-10-22T14:49:37Z2013-10-22T14:49:37ZLizHChrisH, I agree.The law is more fair than the religious beliefs, of course - which is my argument, that legally,...<p>ChrisH, I agree.The law is more fair than the religious beliefs, of course - which is my argument, that legally, this is no reason to prohibit a same-sex marriage, any more than the fact that, since I am &quot;of a certain age&quot;, and not married, I would be prohibited from marrying should I find &quot;the man of my dreams&quot;. Churches may or may not allow 1st cousins to marry, any more than they may or may not allow divorced people to marry, but they can get married civilly, and so I don&#39;t think the church should have anything to say about an SSM civil marriage. </p>Jane commented on 'The gay-marriage bill (Illinois Senate Bill 10), text version'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b4ba69e2019b00330aff970c2013-10-22T02:39:44Z2013-10-22T02:39:44ZJaneSo if the Knights of Columbus rent out their hall to private parties, are they obliged to do so for...<p>So if the Knights of Columbus rent out their hall to private parties, are they obliged to do so for a same-sex wedding reception? </p>
<p>ZORN REPLY -- So if the Knights of Columbus rent out their hall to private parties, are they obliged to do so for an interfaith wedding reception? </p>JL commented on 'The gay-marriage bill (Illinois Senate Bill 10), text version'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b4ba69e2019b0032844c970d2013-10-21T22:30:00Z2013-10-21T22:30:00ZJLI am not a lawyer but am I reading this right that if a religious denomination or officiant agrees to...<p>I am not a lawyer but am I reading this right that if a religious denomination or officiant agrees to perform your wedding and on the day of just decides not to do so -- costing you a great deal of money and distress -- you cannot sue? That seems like a (likely unintended) consequence of the language.</p>ChrisH commented on 'The gay-marriage bill (Illinois Senate Bill 10), text version'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b4ba69e2019b00327e07970d2013-10-21T22:23:22Z2013-10-21T22:23:22ZChrisHBrianE and LizH, The 1st cousins clause is interesting (to me at least) in that it demostrates that the ability...<p>BrianE and LizH,</p>
<p>The 1st cousins clause is interesting (to me at least) in that it demostrates that the ability to reproduce (or inability to adversely reproduce in this case) has already been noted in the law. The law doesn&#39;t view reproduction as an absolute requirement or the sole intrinsic value of marriage.</p>LizH commented on 'The gay-marriage bill (Illinois Senate Bill 10), text version'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b4ba69e2019b00324bab970d2013-10-21T21:29:40Z2013-10-21T21:29:40ZLizHActually, Brian, some states have already allowed marriages between 1st cousins (assuming they were of different sexes) if they are...<p>Actually, Brian, some states have already allowed marriages between 1st cousins (assuming they were of different sexes) if they are past the ages of fertility, since the reason for this prohibition was the possibility of birth defects due to matching recessive genes. I don&#39;t believe there was a prohibition of more distant cousins because the liklihood of them both having the same recessive genes is, well, more distant. </p>
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</p>BrianE commented on 'The gay-marriage bill (Illinois Senate Bill 10), text version'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b4ba69e2019b0031c998970c2013-10-21T21:15:57Z2013-10-21T21:15:57ZBrianESo I can marry my cousin as long as we're both over 50, or under 50 with one of us...<p>So I can marry my cousin as long as we&#39;re both over 50, or under 50 with one of us being permanently sterile. Finally, marriage equality for hillbillies!</p>Taxpayer commented on 'The gay-marriage bill (Illinois Senate Bill 10), text version'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b4ba69e2019b00318d81970b2013-10-21T19:56:44Z2013-10-21T19:56:44ZTaxpayer--I dimly remember learning from my middle-or-high-school Illinois Constitution classes that the General Assembly is not supposed to name counties...<p>--I dimly remember learning from my middle-or-high-school Illinois Constitution classes that the General Assembly is not supposed to name counties in the laws it passes for the purposes of having the law apply differently to different counties. Assuming that&#39;s correct, the &quot;counties having 2,000,000 or more inhabitants&quot; language is plainly the legislature&#39;s way of saying &quot;this provision applies to Cook County only&quot; without naming the county.</p>Garry commented on 'The gay-marriage bill (Illinois Senate Bill 10), text version'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b4ba69e2019b0031ce30970d2013-10-21T19:37:42Z2013-10-21T19:37:42ZGarrySection 209 (b) "(b) The solemnization of the marriage is not invalidated by the fact that the person solemnizing the...<p>Section 209 (b) &quot;(b) The solemnization of the marriage is not invalidated by the fact that the person solemnizing the marriage was not legally qualified to solemnize it, if either party to the marriage believed him or her to be so qualified or by the fact that the marriage was inadvertently solemnized in a county in Illinois other than the county where the license was issued.&quot; brings up something that&#39;s always annoyed me.</p>
<p>Exactly why does anyone need to &quot;solemnize&quot; a marriage?<br />
Why isn&#39;t the act of applying for the license &amp; signing that application sufficient to then say you&#39;re married.<br />
Note the part from the proposed law I copied here. It states that if the solemnization was done by someone not authorized by law to do so or done in the wrong county, the marriage is still legal.<br />
That means the solemnization requirement is total BS &amp; should be removed from all the marriage laws.</p>
<p>BTW, that makes all those movies &amp; TV shows that have the &quot;Oh no, we&#39;re not really married&quot; plots ridiculous.</p>Joseph J. Finn commented on 'The gay-marriage bill (Illinois Senate Bill 10), text version'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d83451b4ba69e2019b00316785970b2013-10-21T19:26:34Z2013-10-21T19:26:34ZJoseph J. FinnI do find this interesting, in the list of those who can perform marriages: "by a county clerk in counties...<p>I do find this interesting, in the list of those who can perform marriages:</p>
<p>&quot;by a county clerk in counties having 2,000,000 or more inhabitants,&quot;</p>
<p>This number is consistent from the current Act. Checking the last census, that means David Orr is the only Clerk who qualifies under that. Seems odd to have the population qualification be that high.</p>
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