Now That I’ve Had Time to Digest The Deal…

Randy Carlysle said, “The issue was, in the week that he had with us, he didn’t demonstrate the things we thought were his strengths. If he’s not taking the body and skating, he’s not an effective player.”

Sounds like the 2nd coming of Fro-Loaf to me.

I’ve seen the YouTube highlights and read everything Toronto fans have said about the guy. NOBODY has said he’s first line material while the majority of people in the know are all saying Bernier could be THE goaltender.

I mean, the BEST we can hope for is that he’ll be a 2nd line winger but in reality, it looks as though he’s 3rd line material. At least Jarret Stoll’s jumping on a trampoline at the thought of no longer having to dish the biscuit to Dwight “hands of cement” King

The Kings got a late 2nd round pick, which will look more like an early 3rd round pick. (Quick, how many players from pick #55-61 have had an impact in the NHL? (no pulling the Wayne Simmonds card either)

Toronto also included a back-up goaltender who is a UFA after next year and has been fairly unimpressive as a back-up goaltender.

Instead of a 1st and Matt Martin from the Islanders?

Instead of Matt Read (if they could have re-signed him)? Read this part again. I said, “IF”

Instead of Zucker and Kuemper from Minnesota? (creams in jeans thinking about that one that got away, puts jeans in wash hiding them from wife) – Okay, so maybe Zucker wasn’t even OFFERED! Can you loosen the noose a little please?

IMO this wasn’t one of Lombardi’s better deals. Not for Bernier. He COULD have just KEPT the dude. It’s not like he was going anywhere. I know, I know, he PROMISED!

I guess since this deal had been in the works for a month, Lombardi felt loyal, and MAYBE the Maple Leafs adding that extra half a million meant closing the deal, but this was the best that was offered? MAYBE IT WAS!

Maybe it was pure and simple a salary cap deal… but I’m not buying it. Martin makes 1 million and is signed for 3 more years. Kuemper makes 900, Zucker 833.

Did Lombardi pull the trigger too soon?.

Minnesota’s gonna be scrambling now. The Flyers now have to KEEP the weird goaltender whom his teammates hate. The Islanders will have to go goalie shopping again. Bernier really could have been the goaltender to get them to the next level.

The Wild, the Flyers and the Islanders blew it. Pure and Simple.

If Frattin fails at LW, the Kings, who are already fucked at LW, are even more fucked, and that’s with Playoff Penner leaving as well (unless he just doesn’t want to go back to Edmonton no matter how much money is offered. He’s proven he can be lazy as hell here and still get paid 3 million bucks)

22 Comments

Canadian King

June 23, 2013 10:04:37 pm

Are you serious Barry??? just the other day you were pumping Frattins tires. Personally I think it is a good trade for both teams. As for just keeping Bernier, that was NOT an option as it is very likely that someone would have signed him to an offer sheet, and we would have been lucky to get a 1st and a 3rd.

As for the other trade rumours, Martin sucks and is a career 4th liner or 3rd at absolute best. Read is a good player but what if he leaves next year as a UFA???? as for the Kuemper/zucker deal I am not convinced zucker was available. Don’t forget DL probably wanted Bernier in the eastern conference anyways.

As for the 2nd rounder it is from the Leafs so who knows maybe it will turn into a top five pick, you never know with that team. Don’t forget DL’s known for his second round picks.

Just wait and see would you. Jesus. Stop your effing complaining. We weren’t ever going to make a deal with a western conference team like Minnesota. Martin has never coming here and Philly couldn’t make another deal without after how bad they’ve been hosed. Give Dean credit for knowing more than you. We just upgraded our team and no Stanley Cup pieces have left the roster. Frattin has 20-30 goals in him, is tough on the puck, good size and speed and will bring effort night after night. It’s a good deal. Lets see what they do next.

I like to complain! How did the Kings “upgrade?” By adding a guy who could be no better than Holloway? Subtracting a great goaltender that kept the Kings in the race while Quick was recovering from his off season back surgery? It’s not “complaining” it’s simply my opinion and observation.

It’s a good deal like say… Ron
Grahame was for Ray Bourque?
We know Berner is going to be solid. We already have a player who hits, but other than that, disappears when needed the most. His name is Dustin Brown

Lombardi is gold with 2nd round picks.. Voynov, Toffoli, Simmonds, Clifford… Frattin will be fine anything is an improvement over King.

And rumors already suggested the Wild were not parting with Zucker. And Matt Read would have wanted too much money next season. And honestly i think he has only excelled because of the Flyers run and gun system. I really don’t think Read would have been a good fit in L.A.

I’m also not sold on the rumor that the Islanders offered Martin and their 1st round pick (15th overall) for Bernier. I’m pretty damn sure Lombardi would have taken that deal.

If L.A signs Holloway i like our LW’s and we will be sporting a much better lineup then we did this season All we will need to do is lock Scuds up and we are set.

Guys like Holloway, Vey and Pearson will get their chance this year. They may have done well in the AHL, but there is no guarantee that they can maintain their levels in the NHL.

At least Frattin has done some nice things while playing with the Leafs. Scrivens had his moments and will help spell Quick from time to time. Better to get a backup goalie in trade than have to sign one for more than what Scrivens is getting.

I am happy for Bernier to get a chance to fight for the number one spot. But, I am even happier that he is doing that in the other conference.

Should have risked an offer sheet… if it wasn’t a solid enough offer to get back enough draft compensation to be worth losing him, could always match and trade him later. Bad call… With all of Quicks’ flailing around, a calm composed and seasoned Bernier will probably surpass him in skill in the future…

They’ve upgraded by adding without subtracting. Frattin is better than King. Has potential to be better and is cheaper than Penner (though I like him) and he allows us more line flexibility by moving Brown to the third line, Tiffoli to the first or second and Frattin to the second or third. He plays Sutter’s style and will help kill penalties reducing ice time off our other players. Hextall and Dean both think highly of him and Scrivens with our D in front of him will be a capable backup. Yes Quick needs to stay healthy but that is the case for all teams. We were never going to keep Bernier so getting players and a pick will serve us well in the long run.

Brown is not dropping down to the 3rd line. If anything Frattin will be on the 3rd line or possibly the 2nd if Toffoli doesnt earn that spot in training camp and Frattin shows he is deserving of playing next to Richards and Carter.

Craig Muni I thought that would uneslah a profanity laced inner dialogue/tirade. Hahaha, Seriously, what an f’ing scumbag. Single handedly destroyed the one year we won the Smythe. Speaking of the Smythe, I am disappointed that the NHL did not go back to the old names. Totally unique, and awesome among sports leagues. A total shame Bettman cares what a couple of comedians think over the people that truly love hockey.

brickstyles

June 24, 2013 12:21:13 am

Barry i’m sorry i brought up Simmonds LOL..But wait till you see how well Frattin pans out in L.A’s system before you pass judgement on this trade. I mean you have been wrong in the past. We are stronger with Frattin in the lineup then we would have been with Bernier on the bench for 65+ games.

Scrivens can be the backup until someone in the system is ready. You know we couldn’t have kept Bernier… My guess is the piece no one is talking about, the 500k of cap space, is going to be making news in the near future. Remember that DL is smarter than all of us! I am bummed we didn’t get a big flashy name in return but we got a legit starting backup and a solid cheap winger until the cap goes back up the following season. The off season is just starting, in Dean I trust.

Besides injuries and a well known Cold streak in this years playoffs, what were we missing? Speed. Frattin has much better hands than King or Clifford and speed. We will see if he can play Defense. We lose Penner no question. Wont miss him either.

Can TT play LW? We will find out. If not, he pushes Lewis to 4th line duty and lines up With Stoll on the RW. Frattin takes over LW2 spot.

Where did I say that Frattin was better than Toffoli? I said if Toffoli cant play off wing (LW) then there is no other spot then RW3. He is not bumping JW or Carter. I said nothing more or less.
I agree 100% that Toffoli is better than Frattin.

MattF

June 24, 2013 8:20:31 am

Just out of curiosity, how do you know what the Isles, Wild and Flyers offered? How do you know it was 1st and Matt Martin from the Isles? Not trying to be smart, just seriously wondering how exactly you know. If so then that was extremely dumb to pass up because I rather have a first then a low 2nd, a back-up who is meh and a 3rd liner RW.

Overall though Bernier had to get traded. A team would have submitted an offer sheet of likely $3.2 mil or so and DL would need to match or pass and end up with only a 2nd anyways. If he kept it then that is a hefty $3.2 mil for a player who will likely only see 15-20 games and hurt in getting Scuderi re-signed because of the extra money.

So comparing what the Kings for vs just a 2nd rounder I think they did better. And Frattin could be better then King which will just be a huge plus as our bottom 6 seems to be lacking some compared to last year as well.

We have to remember that we are Kings fans. Just like any team, we are going to love our high end prospects, even if they are considered good, they need to prove themselves. Bernier hasn’t done that. Add to that the fact that DL needed a backup in the deal, specifically a cheap young backup with potential. He’s got it. We all know Hextall works magic in the crease.
Frattin may just need a change of scenery. Bringing up Frolov kinda seems pointless to me. Frolov didn’t play for Sutter. I don’t think Frattin will get away with playing soft.

Kucherov was drafted 58th overall in 2011. Isn’t her rated pretty high?
Your highly touted Zucker was 59 overall in 2010. I’m just going to stop looking since I found that trump card!