are we even going to talk about the fact that men, by almost 100%, die at work, unlike women? don't you think ****ing *dying* is a little more important than getting paid less by 4%? I won't even go into the problem of how if 4% is a problem to you while something like 90% of inmates being male isn't...

I honestly think you have no clue about "violent pornography" and that you're vaguely echoing something you've heard in some feminist buzzfeed or huff article. are you talking about pimping or something? because pornogaphy is a regulated industry where women are actually paid greatly and if they were mistreated they could sue the ever loving *ass* off of whoever was abusing them. don't you think that our society would take something like rape *extremely* seriously? you're talking about the west in 2016 where ever a "cat call" gets treated like some ****ing hate crime.

I - explicitly - stated:
"I am not defending rapists"
:| so, what's with your strawman, buddy? is this all you have against me? a strawman?

ehhh - I wonder what you'd tell me if I said I thought violent rapes were far worse...probably something predictable like "you love rapists!!!!1!!1!"

lol 'have I heard of emma watson'...oh boy. so let me take a frantic guess: "he for she"? the title alone sounds as typical as all feminism - "men must work for women"...

and by the way, pal: feminism claims that all men are "privileged". it claims that there is a patriarchy. it claims that *you* are oppressing them. this isn't a movement that gives a damn about you. if it was, I'd have joined it even before you.

Firstly, women naturally live longer than men. But I need to be clear; just because I'm talking about the wage gap doesn't mean that's the only issue. Perhaps we should look at men dying at work, it's honestly something I hadn't considered before.

Okay, fine, I've never viewed violent pornography, I personally don't know what it entails. But the pornography industry isn't entirely regulated, and that's where women get abused. Again, you ignore my point on Pornography causing sexual violence. It's a real problem!

I never said you were defending rapists. You're strawmanning my alleged straw man, man. However, what's your definition of violent rape? When the woman is conscious and can fight back? Because honestly to me I think they're equal in awfulness.

Maybe the title isn't perfect, but the link I sent you was a quote of hers saying directly that feminism is about men and women.
I know feminism is about both men and women. I'm really sad that idiots have led you to believe that feminism is anything more than that. And it's probably some so-called feminists, that take everything way too far, and do hate men, that has led you to believe this. . Please give feminism another chance.

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(Original post by SpindlesTheBerry)
Firstly, women naturally live longer than men. But I need to be clear; just because I'm talking about the wage gap doesn't mean that's the only issue. Perhaps we should look at men dying at work, it's honestly something I hadn't considered before.

Okay, fine, I've never viewed violent pornography, I personally don't know what it entails. But the pornography industry isn't entirely regulated, and that's where women get abused. Again, you ignore my point on Pornography causing sexual violence. It's a real problem!

I never said you were defending rapists. You're strawmanning my alleged straw man, man. However, what's your definition of violent rape? When the woman is conscious and can fight back? Because honestly to me I think they're equal in awfulness.

Maybe the title isn't perfect, but the link I sent you was a quote of hers saying directly that feminism is about men and women.
I know feminism is about both men and women. I'm really sad that idiots have led you to believe that feminism is anything more than that. And it's probably some so-called feminists, that take everything way too far, and do hate men, that has led you to believe this. . Please give feminism another chance.

Do you actually believe that wage gap study? It's been debunked so many times over the internet I'm surprised anyone actually still uses it as an argument for feminism. (Using flawed studies to promote more values of your movement discredits it btw.)

(Original post by JoshDawg)
Do you actually believe that wage gap study? It's been debunked so many times over the internet I'm surprised anyone actually still uses it as an argument for feminism. (Using flawed studies to promote more values of your movement discredits it btw.)

Could you link me to something reliably debunking it? I'm not just using it to support my ideas, it's something I'm fairly sure is real and needs to be sorted.

(Original post by SpindlesTheBerry)
Could you link me to something reliably debunking it? I'm not just using it to support my ideas, it's something I'm fairly sure is real and needs to be sorted.

The study only takes into account the money ALL men and ALL women make. Doesn't accound for different jobs, hours worked, vacation time, degrees acquired, etc. If the above video is too long I recommend watching this 16 seconds of Shoe0nhead taking a dump on the study:
(vid max per post is 1, I will post it in the next one)

The study only takes into account the money ALL men and ALL women make. Doesn't accound for different jobs, hours worked, vacation time, degrees acquired, etc. If the above video is too long I recommend watching this 16 seconds of Shoe0nhead taking a dump on the study:
(vid max per post is 1, I will post it in the next one)

I have now spent hours looking into the wage gap, when I probably should have been revising, because this issue is very confusing.

I honestly don't know anymore.

I'm going to stop arguing with you, JoshDawg, because I'm not, at the moment, sure enough of my opinions to be able to put up a reliable argument.