To add, I am fully with you in a sense that we have been lied to by NASA and world governments, I cant come to a conclusion as to if we are spinning or static and perhaps the objects in the sky are the only things moving....I think space exists and that we are visited by space travellers all the time, however I don't think we can ever leave this construct with our biological bodies, the moon landings and images of earth and other planets are likely fraudulent. It is hard to discern fully as with all things I find truth is purposely hidden in a pot of lies, so some aspects of both flat and globe earth are likely correct, but they have been purposely mixed to obfuscate and this is designed to divide us once again.
Would you agree that if a FE model cannot predict the elevation of the sun correctly, on a given day at a given time in various locations on the FE map then it has to be wrong,because we can observe this physically by going to these places at the correct times, the globe predicts this.

Yes, good point I could mean round and flat, I meant close to spherical.
Perhaps like a golf ball with lots of dimples, maybe this accounts for the flatness tests, i.e. lasers and seeing things 60+ miles out that should be below the horizon....I tried many ways to make the FE model work, but it fails, especially with sun angle measurements, these are predicted perfectly all over the place and conform to what I would expect if I were on a ball. its true there are many strange things still that I do not understand but my left brain is telling me its a ball..

I am 99% certain the Earth is roundish....I did say this sometime ago (in this thread somewhere), however if others think it is flat then that is just fine with me.....I know one or 2 people on a face to face level that are convinced the Earth is flat, I don't let our differences come between us....My honest opinion on FE is that it was put forward by those that hide truth from us, its another way to divide like minded people that have managed to peel away the first of 9 veils obstructing the advancement of our consciousness.
Imagine I talk with a group of people that are starting to see breaks in their reality, they start seeing the world for what it really is, they begin to see the evidence from the first stage of cognition, I explain the fraud of their legal fiction or I inspire them to re-evaluate 911, or they look into the many deceptions that has mentally imprisoned them all their lives, and they start to remember who they are....then I mention that the Earth is flat.....then watch as all my good work disappear and all the good information I gave them becomes infected and poisoned because in their eyes, my credibility has just gone to zero, veil 1 fixes firmly back into place, baby and bathwater go out together....that is what flat earth was put here to do in my opinion....

There is a massive agenda to dumb down the population. Spraying their cattle with metals and airborne viruses is just a small part of the agenda. However as with the 1st law of Hermetic's, "the universe is mental", and your mental perception of reality is where their attack is initially targeted, this is the place to start, not the physical.
For those currently in the cognitive stage of what the majority term "Conspiracy Theories", you would be better to turn your attention elsewhere, as the more you fight and give attention to the dark magicians and their mental tricks, the more power you give them..... It may sound counter intuitive but in a nutshell, If you want to beat them, ignore them and the systems of control that they have constructed for your mind, stop giving them your energy.
Imagine if instead of protesting the governors of mind (Government) and they were simply ignored, they would lose control and crawl back into the abyss. They love it when you protest their actions, it is what feeds them, remember all power that they claim to possess comes from you. If you think you need to be governed by anyone, then you have not grown up, your belief in government and its imaginary authority over you is your greatest err.

Not sure why people blame Hitler, Mao, Stalin etc....it was the government of the time that committed the crimes, somewhere in the region of 262,000,000 people killed during the 20th century by their governments is closer to the truth...I would think the latest "democratically elected" bunch will likely do a better job for the 21st century.

As silly as this seems to you lot, there is much truth to this mans claims about the court summoning a legal fiction.
I will wager the summons arrived in the format "MR EDWARD GLEN" and not Edward Glen....

Its not about me being thick or paranoid, its a point of fact.. they would be in total control if they were not coerced into registering the child's birth. the resident legal expert can tell you that registering anything gives legal title to the "loving government"..
Your current debate is futile, until you understand what has caused this issue in the first place, mum and dad have little say, the state will always make the call when it comes to their property...

Has anyone wondered why the courts / government have the ultimate say on life or death, and not the parents? Many have had to snatch their child from the hospital to stop a death sentence and get treatment else where.....this is what happens when you register anything, you gift it to the state...

Without doubt, if I had witnessed that through a telescope, then yes you would have to be suffering severe cognitive dissonance to continue believing the Earth is flat.
as per the laser, you sure it was completely level, as demonstrated above a little over 1 minute out will produce the result they did, I still say moving the laser downwards until it disappears (gets cut off by the Earths curve) would have proved the curve without much doubt. Think about it, if the laser strikes the bottom of the boat at 3 miles out then there is no curve, if it appears 6 feet higher, to dispel the "are you sure its level argument" then move it downward and it should completely disappear, if its curved. The margin of error for the level of the laser will increase with distance.

For me, I would have had the boat 3 miles out, then moved the laser downwards, if the curve of the Earth is true as theory suggests then the beam would be extinguished. Such a shame they did not do this!

Playing devil’s advocate here, it is an interesting video; however I have some doubts as to the true intention of this experiment.
1. What effect would you expect to happen if the beam is slightly inclined....My rough calculations show 3 miles = 190080 inches and 6 feet is 72 inches, the beam would only have to be inclined by 0.0217 degrees for this to happen, we are talking just over 1 arc minute. I seem to have missed the part where they show such care in the setup.
2. They seem to have replicated 3 miles = 6 feet perfectly....3 ^2 * 8 = 72 inches (6 feet)...we know from earlier in the thread that light is refracted to some degree and the theory does not work out to be exact.
3. As with the laser experiment, the helicopter mimics theory to perfection 6^2 * 8 = 288 inches (24 feet), this is suspicious.