Many of the Tibetan news are very exaggerated outside China which are often full of scary rumors and the distorted facts, I believe that many people just as me feel very boring to refute some media’s misrepresents by some mysterious “witnesses” or “unverified film footages” etc. Tibetan will certainly protest and complain anything just as Han or other minorities does, after all, it is not a Tibetan patent.
Tongren is one of the famous Qinghai tourism’s destination, especially for backpackers, local cultural tradition also is conserved well. In most case, Tibetans also gets on well with Han or other minorities in Tongren as same as in other places of China. As follow some latest pictures in Tongren :http://www.mafengwo.cn/i/727813.htmlhttp://www.mafengwo.cn/i/686590.htmlhttp://www.mafengwo.cn/i/928668.html
In my view,China government has wasted too much to build and decorate Lama’s (monk’s) temples, too many young Tibetan stay in temples! All the young Tibetan need get better scientific education and become scientists, engineers,sea captain or pilots etc. Now in the name of respect for religion or afraid of being accused, a ridiculous race is running between China government and Dalai Lama:who can make the whole Tibet become a huge Lama’s temple and make all the Tibetan become Lamas or monks in the shortest possible time! The Policy is completely wrong! A monk or Lama is very difficult to find a good job in their future and very easy to been incited by Dalai Lama.I told frankly my Tibetan friends yesterday If all the Tibetan indulge in the Buddhist Scriptures all day and all night,Tibet only will become the biggest temple in China,very bad idea！

To blame the temptation of monks to the modern living conditions bought about reform and opening up is another ludicrous lie spun by the Dalai clique in the Western media. Even a higher mortal like Prez Jimmy Carter confessed that he has lusted in his heart before.

Everywhere the exiles are waiting and growing frustrated to come back home like those Palestinians in ME. The Zionists have prohibited their returns back with the implicit backing from their biggest sponsor.

THIS SHOULD NOT BE THE CASE FOR CHINA TO SHUT THE DOOR. But it is up to the Dalai and his exiles to negotiate with Mr. Xi soon. It is meaningless to incite and waste human lives if they can realise sooner rather than later the futility of their struggle.

Tibet is southwest barrier for China, and water resource. China simply can't afford a pro-west government in Tibet. If another country has a small military base there, China simply can't protect herself, like why US couldn't allow a russia missile base in Cuba.

It is like putting that thing of yours in the hands of others.

So unless you love letting others hold your "tool", stop protending you are on moral high ground.

Regardless there is a missile base in Poland against the Putinic regime. Having a drone/missile base in nearby Hindu Kush region like Kandahar is as good as containing its troublesome Pakis ally as well as China Tibet after 2014.

For Tibetans it's very much a Human Rights issue. For the Chinese regime, of course, it's about sovereignty, security and geopolitics. It can be many things at the same time. It does not mean that China has a right to violate Tibetans' Human Rights (yes, even even if the West, or India, or whoever is much worse).

ztoa, it's because many "well-educated" westerners get their degrees in worthless subjects. If they were not paid by the CIA to use their graduate's degrees in Medieval European Crocheterie they would starve under the student debtor's yoke.

They matter so much to you that you have never once independently commented on any of them, except as an obligatory tool of rhetoric in your vicious, no-facts crusade against China and the Chinese people.

The Economist is one of the best news magazines in the world. If they have a bias it is that they promote free speech and journalistic liberty. They don't publish without fact and source checking making me trust their assessment of Tibet in this regard. Simple as that.

For Tibetans it's very much a Human Rights issue. For the Chinese regime, of course, it's about sovereignty, security and geopolitics. It can be many things at the same time. It does not mean that China has a right to violate Tibetans' Human Rights (yes, even even if the West, or India, or whoever is much worse).]

I applaud your editorial of 22 June, in which you exposed the insidious manner in which the Japanese parliament and government had glossed over the crimes and genocides the Japanese Imperial Army had committed against the peoples of East Asia.

Your effort is to be commended and I hope you will extend it and apply it in an impartial and unbiased manner.

The crimes of Japan during World War II is but one of the crimes against humanity in recent history and it is not even the most serious.

Far more sinister are those committed by the whites against the non-whites, with the racial genocides carried out in America and Australia being the most systematic and thorough.

These are the most hideous crimes against humanity- surpassing, in scale and thoroughness, even Hitler's organized pogrom of the Jews and the Slavs. But while the whites react with anger and indignation to the massacres of their own kind, they continue to glorify and celebrate their genocidal achievements when their victims are non-Europeans.

We all should now wake up to the fact that the regimes thus established are illegal, immoral and illegitimate. For the sake of justice and legality, these criminal regimes must be abolished. Only then can a just "New World Order" prevail.

The South China Morning Post, having so bravely exposed the lies and deceit of the Japanese, should now take up this new task with added courage and vigour, and thus set a moral journalistic standard for the rest of the "Free Press" to follow.

I fail to understand your point. All who write for The Economist are paid. Even the interns - who are without exception university graduates and not students. Many even hold masters degrees. Yep, I agree working at this magazine would look good on a CV, and this is regardless of the subject written about as the quality of the copy and rigor of the research is what is prized here.

Another commentor proved one of the writer's mis-information on a report of Iran, the writer wrote about half of the language learners are Chinese. He/she was in this region and proved the writer's wrong at that moment he commented (exactly this school he was in).

The Analects blog is written by several correspondents because the scope of this country's analysis is too large for a single person.

I considered it a good article as it balanced the pros and cons of Chinese involvement in Iran very well, I don't like seeing the Iranians suffer under sanctions, if their government was less belligerent these would not be in place.

Back to the article though, regardless if a single fact has been discredited it should not necessarily follow that the rest of the article was bogus, but thank you for pointing it out.

One last thing, the comment about "Mongols" was not credited to the writer but to an Iranian. I find it a bit funny as my family is descended from Mongols who invaded Southern Russian in the 13th Century.

It may not be the same writer, but it does have some wrong reporting without real evidence.

Me too. I hate to see Iraner suffer so much from the economic sanction and I think they should have their own Nukes too. After all, they live in a very dangerous region with a military powerful neighbour which supported by USA.

There were already 2 armed uprising organized by the current Dalai Lama

(1) In 1959, The D-L , angered by the China Central Govt abolishing slavery and re-distributing the land to all the poor Tibetan landless farmers, --- organized an armed uprising with CIA arms
It failed big time. The D-L did not get the popular support of the Tibetan people who regarded China as the liberators of slaves (who comprise 95% of the population)

(2) Declassified CIA Files show that 1960-1972, the CIA and D-L again organized another armed guerrilla war in Tibet. Again it failed big time--- managing to only getting 2760 Tibetans joining them

(3) In 2008, just before the Beijing Olympics Games----the Dalai Lama call on all Tibetans throughout Tibet to reiot against the Govt

This again failed big time as only 500 Tibetans in Lhasa answered his command

ALL THE ABOVE also prove that the great majority of the Tibetans people are loyal, law abiding citizens --- good citizens

Please dont believe me---- go ask the CIA --- whether supplying arms will work or not

By the way,you may misunderstand China's foreign policy in Syria conflict.China remains a neutral and keep contacts with all sides of the conflicts and hope they can find a peaceful solution.
Basically it is the conflict between the Kurd and the Arab which has nothing to do with China.

Why China is against any armed intervention,one of the reasons is as same as US's. Now we also know that the international terrorists from EU,Russia,India or many other countries are fighting for the Kurd's independence today,so it is a very complicated situation.

In my view,China need get ready for the birth of a new country,a Kurd's country,in Middle East.

To really know what is going on in the mind of the self immolator one needs to dwell more in the discipline of social psychology. This form of protest is nevertheless more extreme than that of a suicide bomber in whose case there are forces that indoctrinate him, forces that have, over the years, chosen violent means to make their point.
One really has to think as to why the notion/ideal (depending which side one is looking at it) of independence still fires the imagination of the Tibetans. If one carefully looks at the profile of the immolators, all are young, that is they belong to the generation that has not seen Tibet independent (that was 60 years ago). And more importantly, the generation that has witnessed a fair degree of economic progress and better living standards than their preceding generation that had to undergo a double whammy of invasion and economic privations. The invasion was not merely a loss of political sovereignty but the trauma of a whole cultural universe violently shaken and dismantled - Tibetan society is intensely religious practising Tantric Buddhism which is a mix of Buddhism and indigenous beliefs and this religion constituted the whole narrative that governed the way of life of a society that had led a fairly peaceful existence in the last 1200 years when it adopted Buddhism wholesale.
Now with the 60 odd years of "progress" including a rail line to Lhasa, the indigenous population finds itself in a minority and increasingly marginalized in the face of inexorable march of the Han majoritarianism guided by the Communist Party.
Of course the People's Republic has its own compulsions, a soft underbelly with an underlying "regional hegemon" (read India) and borders with the restive Xinjiang- where the potential trouble makers have a whole lot of options to choose from: Salafists, the Al-Qaeda and a secular pan-Turkic nationalism (a thought that has the potential to ignite the entire landmass from the Irtysh to the Black Sea).
Tibet's strategic importance is immense, locational, water (source of many river systems of South and east Asia) to name a few. Thus China's touchiness is understandable.
What is the way out? To his credit, Dalai Lama has managed to keep the "nation" in global consciousness, but in real terms that may not count for much. But then, nationalism is above all an idea and sentiment that has to be kept alive, and the Tibetans at least were a nation and a state (unlike the Pushtoons, Kurds or the Zionists, less than a century ago). Thus it would be naive to assume that the clamour for some sort "independence" will dissipate.
Granting an autonomy of some sort to the Tibetans could be a workable idea. It would not in any way challange or compromise China's sovereignty (India has long acknowledged Tibet as part of China)over Tibet and even Dalai Lama would not really be taken in by the impossibility of a "free Tibet" and would settle for some kind of an autonomy. The process can be given a push with the return of some Tibetan refugees from India and every one would gain from this concession.
The only apprehension (and may be rightfully so) would be the effect of such a "concession" in the inner-party politics of China in these times of transition. There is a large degree of touchiness in the CPC and the people too if any ostensible 'anti-national' act is contemplated.
Secondly, such a gesture may prompt a popular clamour for greater political reforms within the mainland ( a nightmare situation for the apparatchiks).
The concession, therefore, to any sentiments for "autonomy" for the Tibetans would have to be from a "position of strength" from the Chinese point of view or it would be an indirect outcome of a "Chinese Spring" which may get the party to loosen its hold on the periphery (quite like the 1991-92 scenario in which the constituent republics of USSR were virtually forced into independence). But, with none of the two scenarios looking like unfolding it seems that for the present and the near future, the self-immolations may really not have the desired impact of either provoking an insurrection or forcing the establishment into some concessions. But given the strong cultural and societal structure of the Tibetans, the long list of martyrs would definitely help in keeping the ideal and dream of a state burning in their collective consciousness, both in Tibet as well as in the Tibetan diaspora worldwide.

Appearently,this article is filled with ideological bias.
"more Han immigrants, diluting its historically Tibetan identity"
I just wanna say, several centuries ago,Europeans colonized almost every corner of the rest of the world, enforcing their culture to the native, how do you explain this?????

Sincerely welcome western friends come and see with your own eyes, visit China and Tibet personally. You will go through the ideological fog from the western media and find out the truth!!

I visited Tibet this summer,I observed their life,I talked with tibetans in temples and at teahouses,and I can tell you, honestly,most tibetans prefer their current peaceful life.

That Western nations committed horrible crimes against native peoples does not justify that China does the same now in Tibet.

I've also been in Tibet. Seen the checkpoints in every road and on every entry to the Barkhor, with soldiers patrolling 24/7 around the Jokhang (counter-clock-wise, of course). I've seen the stark differences between Han and Tibetan district in the cities. The deep poverty and illiteracy of Tibetans. And the apprehension to talk about anything remotely related to politics.

My impression was that of a country under foreign occupation. I also wish that as many people as possible visit Tibet, so they can witness with their own eyes. If the Party allows them, of course.

Indeed there are lots of soldiers and police officers in Tibet, but it doesn't mean that people there are under oppression.Since some Tibetan separatists sometimes do sth too extreme and hurt those citizens who want peace,the soldiers are there patrolling just in case some bad things happen.So do the checkpoints stuff.
And as you say, there are Tibetans in deep poverty and illiteracy.As for poverty,every country has such disadvantage groups,right? You can't deny that Tibetans's life standard has improved a lot since 1950s. As for illiteracy,I once chatted with a Tibetan woman in a Tibetan teahouse outside Ramoche,she told me her son was educated in school free of charge like all tibetan children,and their education system was getting better and better.They learn native languange,manderin and english since primary school.The teahouse were filled with native Tibetans,they came to me and tlaked with me with warm smile and I gave the children beautiful pencils and candies as little gifts.They were happy and innocent.It's hard to say that they are suffering from CCP.

BTW,TIbet is part of China and it's an international consensus.
So...."That Western nations committed horrible crimes against native peoples does not justify that China does the same now in Tibet." "a country under foreign occupation" ....
I do hope you can be cautious of your word choice...

You are in denial. Human Rights abuses are widespread against Tibetans. Illiteracy is the highest in all China (37%). Protests are recurrent, hence the soldiers. And the regime crushes any kind of dissent. It's not a pretty picture.

I agree with you that Tibet is recognized as a part of China by the whole world, and even the Dalai Lama, but that does not change how Tibetans see it. They've been an independent nation for centuries, managing their own affairs with no or little external meddling. They can only see Chinese as foreigners, with a different culture, different customs and different language. The PLA "liberation" of 1951 for them was plainly as a foreign invasion. Legalese matters little when it comes to popular sentiment.

Well,here we come to the historical reasons.
but at the very first,I'd like to know from where you find human rights abuses are widespread against Tibeans??? More details are needed to prove your words.

Second,I really advice you think further about the reasons why illiteracy is the highest in all China.It's because they used to be isolated from the rest of the world,their culture are so diverse.In the past,most Tibetans worked as slaves,they couldn't receive any education.That's what the government is trying to change now.They liberate them from physical pains,and they now trying to improve the education system to enlighten them with knowledge.I can bet the rate will keep falling as time goes by.

Last is about history.Do you learn about Chinese history? For centruries it has been part of China and under the central government control.THey respect their culture, their local regional leaders,and many documents and evidences are available in the local museum.

As for the illiteracy, isolation certainly plays a part. But one can't easily exculpate the government for their poor results. At least I wouldn't let them brag about their accomplishments. Many countries have suffered feudal regimes and extreme poverty in the recent past, notably China. They managed to pull themselves up without needing a "benevolent" colonizer to invade them and do it for them. I don't see why Tibet wouldn't have been able to do the same.

As for history, I am very well aware that Tibet was a part of the Qing empire for over 200 years, but even then this was limited to recognition of overlordship of the emperor, the presence of representatives in the DL's court and a few garrisoned soldiers. Tibet was effectively ruled by Tibetans according to their own laws and customs, as it had been for over 1000 years before then. I can't blame Tibetans for not considering themselves Chinese.

The Zionists in Washington and Israel have both denied the rights of returns for the fleeing or exiled original inhabitants. What is China position? Maybe the exiles are losing hope and hence. inciting followers inside to self-immolate and put pressure on authority over their frustration.

Should the exiles be allowed to return? Those Palestinians are fella Semitic. The Tibetan are fella Mongoloid. So what is the problem allowing their returns? But you have chosen not to answer the question.

You did not ask any such question. Tibetans are still fleeing Tibet because of China's ongoing repressive policies. I'm not sure what if the official position about the exiles, but I don't think they would be exactly welcome with open arms by the regime. For them to return China would have to deeply rethink its policies in Tibet.

Your logic is flawed and ridiculous. Illiteracy in this case is CHINESE illiteracy. The figures are not surprising considering (standard) Tibetan is the only language taught to Tibetans in elementary school. And if Tibet really suffers under some horrible apartheid regime, then why do the "colonizers" single out Eastern Tibet for higher incomes, better education and better healthcare? Do they just despise Western Tibetans, or maybe, just maybe, the disparity has something to do with the fact that 40% of Western Tibetans are nomads with no permanent address? Should they all be given GPS trackers and then be fed into schools via helicopter?

And you must be joking to compare China's relatively benign presence in Tibet to hundreds of years of white-led genocide that have seen the population structure of ALL of the Americas, Australia and Siberia irrevocably changed through endless rape, murder, torture, suppression and every other tool of ethnic cleansing you can think of.

Except many Tibetans don't go back because they can't afford to (as admitted by the bastion of Chinese Communist Propaganda, NYTimes), given that Dharamsala is little more than a slum of an ethnic ghettos rife with open racism by the "natives" and scant economic opportunity.

And if so many Tibetans were fleeing Tibet, you'd expect the place to have more than 200,000 refugees - especially considering the TGIE pads their numbers with obvious local "recruits".

They can't be THAT ethno-centric. Somebody fluent in Tibetan but not in Chinese can't possibly be considered illiterate. That would be a fatal flaw in Chinese statistics.

If by "Eastern Tibet" you mean Qinghai province, differences in socio-economic indicators are due to the high concentration of Han Chinese in Xining, the capital, which was never part of Historical Tibet and which enjoys higher standards of living than anywhere in Tibet. Still, Qinghai tends to be second last after Tibet in many such indicators, a further proof of the discrimination suffered by this ethnic group (I never used the word "apartheid").

You can ask Tibetans yourself about how "benign" Chinese rule has been for them and their culture. Perhaps their horror stories will change your mind. People don't burn themselves alive under "benign" conditions. That does not exculpate Western nations for the many crimes they committed around the world in their colonial history, but neither does it justify China's current crimes and abuses in Tibet.

Don't dredge up the past, we're living in a more enlightened age and should judge current affairs by the moral standards we possess today. Give the Tibetans the chance to vote for independence. Many countries have done that for regions who were ruled for a very long time by a central government. Quebec has even done it twice! No harm done. Nothing productive is gained by saying, "well China has ruled it for centuries." So what? It has a separate culture and should at least be permitted the chance to preserve it.

That Western nations committed horrible crimes against native peoples does not justify that China does the same now in Tibet.

>>> That does not justify that western people fingerpointing China just because of they were not clean.

I've also been in Tibet. Seen the checkpoints in every road and on every entry to the Barkhor, with soldiers patrolling 24/7 around the Jokhang (counter-clock-wise, of course). I've seen the stark differences between Han and Tibetan district in the cities. The deep poverty and illiteracy of Tibetans. And the apprehension to talk about anything remotely related to politics.

>>> Tibet should not have check points at all when people like you and the exil Tibetans are not making trouble.
>>> Poverty and illiteracy were MUCH MUCH worse in Dalai Lama's governing. Where were you at that time. Why you don'T complaint DL (as a King and head of Monks) did a loudsy job.

My impression was that of a country under foreign occupation. I also wish that as many people as possible visit Tibet, so they can witness with their own eyes. If the Party allows them, of course.

>>> Your impression don't count because you are not Tibetan or Chinese, what so ever!

It is no harm to vote to be independance as long as China reach the standard of developed countries. China is rich at the coast but very poor in inland. It is not a good time to do any democratic election.

If you trust Wikipedia which can be edited by anyone, rather than trust the real words and vivid evidence in Tibet, I have nothing to say...

As for illiteracy, I surely don't think it's the government be to blame.Yes,many countries has suffered from fedual regimes, but Tibetans were being slaved, they suffered much more than others in China. That didn't happen in central China and many other fedural countries. Besides,I really feel uncomfotable about your words"invade", the troops came to break down the serf system, and brought tibetans a better life, how could you say that ??? If the central government didn't help them, the would probabla still remain in darkness and suffer from the slaveholders. It is the worse past that results in the higher illiteracy, and it's the central govenment that tries to improve the situation, to cure their pain.

I think our disagreement is about whether Tibetans enjoys their being-slaved past or enjoy their happy life currently, and the answer is clear.

As for history, YEs, Tibet was a part of Qing empire, glad you know that. BUt the truth is Tibet has been part of China since Yuan dynasty.Beside,long long ago, since Tang Dynasty,Tibet is a dependency.Don't you now that? You said that Tibetan was effectively ruled by Tibetans before, do you mean that the slaveholds force common people to work and made them suffer was so called effective ruling??? Let me point out those separatists' will,they wanna turn back the time and be the supreme power again,torture the poor ordinary people again in disguise of religion!! If so, I'm sure the poverty and illiteracy would be much more worse.

How long have you been in China? How well do you really know about China? As I'm studying and living here right now, I can tell the truth,and that's not like what western media always say.

Get real Froy. By "Eastern Tibetans" I mean Eastern Tibetans, NOT Qinghai. Nice try at that dodge.

If Tibet is so horrible then why are its income per head and health outcomes better than almost all of their neighbors, including majority Han provinces and especially Indian states?

And China simply publishes official statistics on literacy based on Chinese characters for international consumption. All countries use their lingua franca to measure literacy, so drop your faux indignation.

The fact that a mere handful of (brainwashed, misled, lied-to) young Tibetans out of hundreds of thousands killed themselves over several years does not mean their personal hardships are representative of Tibet as a whole. The vast majority of Tibetans seem to be going about their lives normally.

I've been Qinghai last year, so I doubt what you said. What I saw was that Tibetan people were much easier to get rich than Han people, who did not own land (largely because of Hukou).As for the soldiers, I didn't come across any, even outside the Ta'er Temple.But considerding what Dalai is doing outside and inside China, patrollings were neccessary. Right?

Learn some history, Dude. Even Dalai was legally encrowned by the central goverment.And Dalai was not the only legally recognized system. Banchan is also a very important religious leader in Tibet and have hug amount of followers. What Dalai did wouldn't change the fact about Tibet, because every predecessor of Dalai Lama admit that Tibet is part of the great China.

hey are there because some separatists are likely to hurt innocent people,to destroy the stable state.They are there in case some bad things happen again,like the riot in 2008.

Besides,the soldiers and public security officers are very friendly. I often asked them the directions and they were patient to show me the way.What's more, I sometimes even asked the police help look after my bike since it doesn't have a lock.

You see, those armed people are not violent at all, they just protect people. Besides, I talked with one officer in a police station, he told me most of the slodiers holds guns without bullets in case of accidental discharge.

They're friendly to you no doubt, but you're not Tibetan. You say some separatists want to destroy the 'stable state'. What kind of 'stable state' has an army presence like Tibet does. Such an army presence shows that there is no 'stable state' in Tibet. The Tibetan people do not support the CCP authorities. The army is there to bully them into submission.

Good point, especially if your are trying to keep a hegemony together. Wait til better times and then the people in question will be content and reluctant to embrace autonomy.

However, Chinese authorities claim that there have been distinct living standard improvements for the native Tibetans (I could believe this to be true). If this is the case surely the Tibetans would vote to remain?

Actually, many soldiers and police are tibetan people. How do you explain this???
And I didn't see the army are unfriendly to Tibetans. Do you have any evidence? The army are there to make Tibet a safe place. It's necessary and practical.
You say that there is no "stable state " in Tibet,yes, Tibet can't be really safe and stable as long as the separatists exist.

distinct living standard improvements for the native Tibetans
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But it is still far from good standard in this harsh environment like Tibet. Tibet is definately not ShangriLa, but very hard living condition there. Education need to be improved as well.
Who know may be 50 years there will be election. Who can predict China opened their door for investment some 30 years ago.

That was a great summary of CCP propaganda talking points, congratulations. You made me doubt you are not actually Chinese. Or perhaps your Chinese classes are in a re-education camp.

Let's go by parts:

"If you trust Wikipedia which can be edited by anyone, rather than trust the real words and vivid evidence in Tibet, I have nothing to say..."

You can check the sources for the wiki article. Amnesty and HRW also have in-depth reports about this issue, if you want further info. And as I told you, I have been to Tibet, and the impression I had was not exactly rosy. But to know the gross Human Rights violations denounced by Tibetans and NGOs you need to read their reports. Your tourist guide is not going to take you on a tour to the army dungeons.

"Besides,I really feel uncomfotable about your words"invade", the troops came to break down the serf system, and brought tibetans a better life, how could you say that ??"

China did nothing about the serf system for 8 years after the arrival of the PLA. It was never about "liberation", but about territorial control. Don't be so naive.

"If the central government didn't help them, the would probabla still remain in darkness and suffer from the slaveholders"

That is the kind of colonial rationale that justified Japanese occupation of much of Asia, including China. This Chinese version of the "white man's burden" is too ironic not to be a bit funny. Nobody likes to be colonized, regardless of the "progress" colonizers bring with them. Chinese should know this better than anyone. And it is extraordinarily arrogant to say that the natives would have not been able to modernize without the "benevolent" help of the colonizers, specially given that results in Tibet are far from spectacular.

"BUt the truth is Tibet has been part of China since Yuan dynasty.Beside,long long ago, since Tang Dynasty,Tibet is a dependency.Don't you now that?"

You need better history books. Seriously. During the Tang dynasty, the Chinese capital was actually sacked by the Tibetan empire, which at that time was at its peak. Tibet fell in decline after that and was swallowed by the Mongol empire. But to imply that this was the beginning of Chinese domination would be a gross misrepresentation. Much like saying that Burma was part of India just because both were part of the British empire. After the fall of the Yuan, Tibet remained in the sphere of influence of the Mongols, not the Chinese. It was a Mongol khan the one who bestowed the title "Dalai Lama" on the leader of the Gelukpa sect. Only when another Northern tribe conquered China, the Manchus, did Tibet become part again of "China". And even then, Tibet retained an enormous degree of autonomy. Yes, it was "slaveholds forcing common people to work and made them suffer", but so was China and most of the world.

I've lived in China for over ten years already, and I agree with much of what you say about the country. But the Human Rights situation is not something an expat will ever directly witness or experiment in his flesh.

It is rather unfair to compare China standard with your beloved western standard (Human right etc).
China opened it door and accept investment just about 30 years ago. It was an experienment at that time and it was a success in the coastal area (Special economic zone etc). Just a few years ago Developing the west was in talk, train from Beijing to Lhasa was finished. It is Tibetan's turn to be prosperous and now you cried China did not reform Tibet after they took Tibet.
Let me ask you, when China reform Tibet immediately, what will you say. "Cultural genocide" I beg.
No one can make you happy whatever China did, the best will be leave Tibetans alone to be poor and happy slaves.
Yes this is Chinese "White man burden" because Tibetans are Chinese, no one has the right/ability besides China to improve lifes in Tibet.
You definately not.

Liberty, Democracy, Freedom and Justice are American values, not. Are those prisoners guilty at all, why the innocent prisoners should be sent to other countries (not in US soil) while it was American's problem. Why they want to shift their own created problem (shit) to other countries so they can live peacefully without these shit? US should compensate each of them at least 1 million US dollars and grant them a greencard in the US. That is a responsive big country should behave.

I am not defending Guantanamo. I am simply pointing out that it is not comparable to the CCP regime's systematic repression and cultural genocide of Tibetans. The fact that you even raise the issue of Guantanamo in commenting on an article about Tibet indicates that you are incapable of defending the CCP's behaviour in the region and therefore feel you have no other option than to change the subject.

Whether you mean to or not you are defending the CCP by changing the subject (to America) when they are criticised. The article is about Tibet. As I said before Guantanamo is irrlevant. I'm not American by the way, and have no desire to defend American foreign policy or American extra-judicial detention of suspected terrorists. I'm simply pointing out the inanity of talking about these issues in commenting on an article that has nothing to do with them.

Historically Qinghai belong to the suzerainty of the famous 3 Ma's Huis. To disparage the Huis in their homeland is another tactic by the evil forces to create chaos, social unrest and even civil wars by exploiting any perceived division between ethnic and religious groups like that being used continuously in the ME, Africa and Indian subcontinent.

The article said "The tightening of control and information is a fall-back response to self-immolation across Tibetan areas." yet the article expressed all the information supposed to be tightly controlled, does it mean the information about the self-immolation and discontent in Tongren, Qinghai are fabricated?

Tibetans suppressing non-Tibetan Buddhists is historical practice not just in nowadays, Chinese government prohibits such regressive behavior to maintain the freedom of religion, yet the article praised the Tibetan’s illegal and totalitarian behavior as a way to protest against Chinese government is really turning facts upside down, calling wrong a right.

The article is full of fabrication and bigotry; it surly is another piece handy work to smear China by the western media.

It's tragic when people are left with no option to denounce a profoundly unjust and humiliating situation than killing themselves. We saw it in the Arab world, igniting a revolution. We keep seeing it in the Western world, as banks and governments strip people of their livelihoods and homes. And we see it in oppressive regimes which deny the right of self-determination to the peoples their conquered. Let's hope their sacrifice, like those of Mohamed Bouazizi or Thich Quang Duc, are not in vain.

The temptation of some monks is irreversible. As Dalai has said, they can choose or not to choose to immolate. If anything about ruling the region, returning the control back to the traditional ruler Ma Pufang's fella Hui is in order.

Contrary to people's ready belief the Dalai Lama has NOT discouraged the self-immolation. If anything I accuse him of encouraging the self-immolation:
1. The Dalai Lama blamed the death of the first self-immolation on police
2. The Dalai Lama remained "neutral" publicly towards the self-immolation
Yes. I blame the self-immolation on the Dalai Lama.

Firstly, where are the links to support your first claim? I'd like to read for myself what the Dalai Lama has said. I might draw a different conclusion.

As for your second claim, it is a bit of a stretch, isn't it? If someone remains neutral, he's to blame for an issue? That means China is to blame for the crisis in Syria?
By your logic China's declared policy of non-interference means it is to blame for all unresolved problems around the globe. Great!

Now, that's what the Dalai Lama has said:

"The 14th Dalai Lama on Saturday said it was the Chinese repression and ethnic discrimination in Tibet which was forcing young men and women to end their lives and rejected the Chinese claim that he was instigating self-immolations.

Around 70 Tibetans have self-immolated protesting against China since the past year with seven persons burning to death between Oct 20 to 25, 2012.

"The unbearable situation in Tibet is the cause for these unfortunate events. I am very sad about the turn of events. These are symptoms of fear, hard line suppressive policy practiced by China in Tibet. The time has come for China to think more realistically," he said.

Dalai Lama welcomed the Chinese government to send a delegation to India to examine his conversations with the visitors in Dharamshala in order to dispel any belief or notion that he was instigating self-immolations in Tibet.

"I am a free spokesman for the Tibet issue. I take orders from fellow Tibetans and do not direct them to any action," he said."

The Hindu immolate the widows to ensure that they enter Meru with the dead hubby. The Jihadists may self-immolation to gain martyrdom to kill the Kafirs, hence enjoy 72 virgins in paradise. The Buddhists may self-immolate to enter into a more virtuous karmic rebirths. There is a lot of frustrations in the world, but still whether it is right for religious figures like the High priests, Imams, Dalai to incite immolation is highly questionable

The Hindu immolate the widows to ensure that they enter Meru with the dead hubby. The Jihadists may self-immolation to gain martyrdom to kill the Kafirs, hence enjoy 72 virgins in paradise. The Buddhists may self-immolate to enter into a more virtuous karmic rebirths. There is a lot of frustrations in the world, but still whether it is right for religious figures like the High priests, Imams, Dalai to incite immolation is highly questionable
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"1. The Dalai Lama blamed the death of the first self-immolation on police"

IMO this is a very biased interpretation of what the Dalai Lama said:

"Instead of putting out the flames, the police beat the young monk which was one of the causes of his tragic death."

One of the causes, he said, right?

Apparently, based on witness accounts the young monk was beaten. Which would have to be expected considering other accounts about the treatment of protesting Tibetans by Chinese security forces. In his situation the beating would hardly have helped his recovery. Thus it's fair to assume that it was one of the causes of his tragic death.
According to human rights organizations there is a history of Tibetans dying from police beatings without even immolating themselves.

IMO it would help if China lifted all restrictions on access to Tibet. I'd rather have AP or Reuters accounts of those events than Chinese or Tibetan hear-say.

Forget the Dalai's lost cause. He even has the cheek to poke fun at the Hegemon by declaring himself as a Marxist while lapping up all the doles from US endowment for democracy. It will be more fruitful for the West shit-stirrers to change tack and make use the Salafist foreign insurgents to plant the Black flags of democracy for the Huis using the Gulf Wahhabi money.

China needs to wake up and do something about this.Will autonomy within China with HH Dalai Lama returning [ and guiding the destiny of Tibetan people] will be acceptable to all concerned?69 people have burnt themselves alive.How many more need to do it?

1. It seems quite obvious that Tibetans are not gaining much sympathy from Han Chinese for their self-immolations...

Chinese don't have a history of any such drastic forms of non-violent protest and mostly can't relate to either the action itself nor its motivation. As an illustration it's worthwhile reading cleo's post on Global Times:

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This is a strange choice to make a statement. And the dire straits that ordinary Chinese are in every day but WORKING into exhaustion not doing any sort of religious kneeling and praying has not brought them to this brink. So your situation as you describe it sucks - but you have to understand that dramatic gestures like the ones you are CHOOSING to make that past victims of burning NEVER chose to make are creating an impression ABOUT YOU that makes you unrelatable to the rest of us and ALSO does not make the government guilty because you are saying they have forced you into it. We were BURNED ALIVE by the orders of the Japanese government and you don't see us protesting by then burning ourselves alive.
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This form of protest has meaning in India or the West, in China it's mostly wasted.
So what's the point?
Well, it apparently works to unite Tibetans across the whole Tibetan plateau in their rejection of current Chinese rule.
Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing certainly depends on which side of the divide you're on. In any case, it works for the Tibetans, regardless of whether Han Chinese show any empathy or not. In fact, lack of empathy on the Han Chinese side only furthers the Tibetans' sense of alienation towards the Han majority.

2. Nor do these actions seem to make any difference to the people that rule almost every aspect of their lives...

Rather, these people simply keep blaming everything on the Dalai Lama. In fact they must be glad they've got the Dalai Lama to blame it on, who else would they blame it on otherwise?

"Li Changping, also a delegate to the CPC congress and a Tibetan official from southwest China's Sichuan Province, said the 14th Dalai Lama should be blamed for those incidents.

"It is the 14th Dalai Lama that should answer your question about the reason of the self-immolations, because he is the plotter of those incidents," Li, a member of the Standing Committee of the CPC Sichuan Provincial Committee, said when taking questions from the press."

Why change one's policies when one can find a scapegoat to take *all* blame?
I wonder how long Qiangba Puncog, chairman of the Standing Committee of the People's Congress of Tibet, has had his job?
And still Tibet's not settling down. The opposite is the case: thousands of young students which have been fully subject to Chinese schooling from year one march in the streets and raise slogans for Tibetan independence! Not monks but school children!
Great job. He must be proud of himself. I guess that's appropriate.

The only people who enjoy people turned into BBQ are cannibals in Papua. I remember reading an interview of a cannibal by a British reporter of what was his favorite humans to eat. Do you want to know what he said of eating white people?

Self-immolation is a Buddhist thing, remember the Vietnamese monks during the Vietnam War. Most mainland Chinese have been too secularized they don't know that self-immolation has a long history among Buddhist in China.

Well, I haven't been eating mammals for the past 30 years, so I could hardly tell the difference between beef and pork these days...
I guess he must have been comparing them to Japanese or locals. As for white people, it might have also depended on where they came from. Dutch, British, American?
I imagine someone from the South of France with a fragrance of herbs de Provence, red wine and fresh aubergines might taste better than a chunky US soldier who's been feeding on burgers, chips and beer (at least from a vegetarian point of view)...
But then, tastes also differ. I know people who like their steak very rare and others who like fat meat. Hannibal Lector would have certainly provided an expert guide on the subject if he wasn't stopped in his tracks by Jodie Foster.

As it is, I've attended a sky burial in Tibet, and that puts things into perspective as well. The dead bodies arrived on trucks wrapped into what looked like blood stained fertilizer bags. And on the burial ground there were dozens of vultures which could hardly be held back with their meal being prepared in front of their very eyes. And the monk who chopped the flesh and smashed the bones went about his work as if it wasn't anything extraordinary.
Poor vultures. If any of the deceased had been on diclophenac medication, the feast was their undoing...
Life can be cruel. But you know that better than a Dalai Lama hugging pinko like me.

I am in no doubt that the Dalai Lama is a peaceful man who has discouraged this barbaric form of protest. I do not believe for a moment that the CCP is irrational in this affair, strategic and energy interests are at stake here.

"This is a very, very delicate political issue. Now, the reality is that if I say something positive, then the Chinese immediately blame me. If I say something negative, then the family members of those people feel very sad. They sacrificed their own life. It is not easy. So I do not want to create some kind of impression that this is wrong. So the best thing is to remain neutral. Right from the beginning, when this sort of event happened, what I said, and still I am insisting, is this is not happening due to alcohol or family quarrels. "

IT is no doubt that Tibet and her peopel have their rights to decide their own way ,which doesn't means Dalai Lama could choose a way for Tibetean .Dalai Lama and The communist party should both calm down and have dialogue .the international society ought to give Necessary Pressure on CPC.

Again and again the horrible events with regard to the self-immolations in Tibet shows that the Dalai Lama and the exiled Tibetan Government have been up to their old tricks of damaging the Tibetan cause. These horrible people have been encouraging misguided Tibetans to commit suicide just to score political points. Innocent Tibetans are tricked and brainwashed into committing suicide just to satisfy the blood lust and immorality of the ex-slave ownners the Dalai Lama and his supporters. In the eyes of the Dalai Lama and his supporters, the innocent Tibetans sacrificing themselves are nothing more than dispensible pawns. The Dalai Lama and his supporters are hypocrites when it comes to the welfare of Tibetans. It is about time this evil stops.

Are you speaking for the Dalai Lama? Would you? I'm not gullible Tibetan. The Bible forbids such things. The Dalai Lama should read the Bible and so should you. I suppose if your parents ask you to arrange for such to happen to your wife in order to get more dowry you wouldn't hesitate. Self-immolation have evolved into bride burning. May Jesus Christ our lord saviour forgive your sins. May India one day become civilized!