Hummm .It puzzles me.I was looking to get my son the new The Hobbit rules book from GW.I choked when I saw it was $85. USD$75 USD for the 40k and Fantasy books.

Then I started looking about .The new AE:WW2 book will be $50. USDEmpire of the Dead (WestWind) is about $50. USDInfinity (Corvus Belli) is about $50. USDFreebooters Fate (including the deck of cards that you need) $45 USDSAGA (Gripping Beast) is $40 USDBolt Action (Warlord) is $35 USD

All of a sudden those pricy GW books started looking good as, while twice the price of SOME of those books) they are HUGE. Lots of fluff,art and background, compared to some books that are less than 1/3rd the size for almost 1/2 the price Some of those books are full of triple spacing, blank pages, shoddy art, etc

But here is what I am wondering

When did rulebooks start creeping up close or over the $50 USD range? Or am I an old fuddy duddy of remembering when large rules were under $30 USD ?Or is this the new "norm" to charge a lot for rules?

But then again they were bits of paper with a crude hand drawing on the front, and a bit of card called the QRS in the middle.

The rules had to be understandable because you could not just go online and ask questions of the author, no you had to write it down on a piece of paper and post it to them and hope that they understood what you meant

Times were better back then!

I still have my quality rules from back then and they are much better rulesets than the fluff filled sets some produce now!

Out of the Current batch only the following seem worth having

Dux – Brit and Bell.Die Fighting,and TW,

I still like the no nonsense style of the DBMM and DBA and am waiting for the new set. When HFG comes out I will be picking that up as well..

Not a fan of the Eye candy that is dropped into rule books without a genuine reason. OK if the picture explains a rule, not ok when it is used to increase page count and make the rules more unwieldy..

The Force On Force book is listed on Amazon for $25. USD It's a great value at that price in my opinion, tons of information there with a lot of great art (being published by Osprey, after all ), and self-contained enough to stand on its own without supplements – though the supplements are great also.

Bolt Action is much the same, though I feel like it contains a lot less material for that price.

40-50 seems to be the norm. Gorgeous books they all are but gorgeous books don't necessarily mean a great game. I prefer simple. I fear we are on the curve back up for more complex, more fluff and just more. I don't want to sit down and read 40 pages of actual rules only to find that this is more game than I really want. I want a game with a MAX of 20 pages of actual rules. I could give a care about fluff. Some army lists and scenarios are nice touches. I'd pay $20 USD-$25 for that.

The thing that bothers me about the Hobbit rule book (and that I've mentioned on another TMP thread already) is that this book can't be the final book. At the very least it will need 2 supplements when the next two films have come out.

For LOTR GW did a box set per film with figures and a rulebook (including appropriate scenarios etc). The Fellowship book didn't feature Mumakil or siege rules, the Two Towers book didn't feature Mumakil but did have siege rules. The Return of the King book had Mumakil, but didn't have the siege rules !!

Then GW did a "one rule book to rule them all" big hardback edition.

For The Hobbit they seem to be going for the one book to rule them all – but they can't possibly be allowed to include material from the 2nd and 3rd films. So it isn't really the final edition !!!

I don't want to buy 3 copies of a £50.00GBP rulebook – The LOTR one was just about ok because the figure value in the box set was good (i.e. I was buying figures and getting rules thrown in for "free").

I just looked at the prices on some of my old rules from the 70's and 80's just to make sure and lo and behold they're marked from around $5 USD to $35. USD The catch is the ones in the low and middle range are all really poorly done when it comes to print quality, binding, and illustration while the ones on the higher end from that time are the exact opposite. The ones in the higher range are also seem to be games that people still recognise and have been reprinted while those low end ones have disappeared from the market.

Some here might not like it, but production quality does influence what the majority of gamers buy and play. And that does make the costs higher.

The so called expensive, slick, fancy, and full of eye candy and story rules sell and gets played, while the cheap, plain and unexciting looking rules just don't get much of either. Just like it was in the past, it is today!

I expect that in the case of The Hobbit GW are hoping history will repeat itself and they'll sell bucket loads of stuff to people who like the films but may not be familiar with GW games. In which case they probably want to milk it while they can as with LOTR they saw a BIG drop off in revenue once the films were done.

I like eye-candy rulebooks although I only own one – Black Powder – so the price isn't really a big deal to me. If I was of the sort who buys all the new rulebooks then the increasing tendency for full colour hardback coffee table books with prices to match might get on my wick.

As I said, after flipping though the 40k rule book, there is lots to look at and it is of a high production value. $75 USD? Maybe. Probably

There are other rules that are near the $50 USD range which was are poorly bound hardbacks, lots of poor art, badly written – short fluff. They seemed to be trying to 'bulk up' their book with spacing issues and empty pages to try to get over 100 pages But neat rules (which could have been simmered down to less than 25 pages ).THAT I have an issue with.

More parents are probably buying rules that their kids want. Unless they are gamers themselves they have no idea on how to judge the rules so they will judge the book based largely on its appearance and presentation.

The price of eye-candy style wargame rules is roughly comparible to RPG manuals – I paid about the same for BP as I did for the recent reprint of Masks of Nyarlathotep on Amazon. I don't think anyone thinks RPG books are overpriced and the quality of BP from an aesthetic standpoint is about 100x better than Masks.

I used an inflation calculator and found that a $10 USD set of rules in 1975 would cost $43 USD today .and given the quality of the rules in 1975, vs today, we actually have a pretty good bargain today.

I tend not to whine about prices. And I LOVE my hard bound, glossy, full-color rulebooks (believe me, I have a bookshelf full to prove it!). I consistently drop $40 USD-$50 USD on rulebooks.

I had been looking forward to the new Hobbit releases, and thought I might pick some up although my gaming group is primarily historicals. But then I saw the pricing, and did a complete double take. I just can't bring myself to pay those prices.

I'm afraid there has been a number of assumptions made in this discussion that are incorrect particularly on the cost of publishing a niche hardback, full colour with photos, 100+ pages .I agree with some of the comments made on the cost of published books .and with GW providing a significant amount of more information (albeit it's just fantasy material )

I like the large rulebooks, and like it better when they sell (or give away!) a little companion book with just the rules. $50 USD is a very small price to pay in a hobby. $50 USD would not get me a ticket to any professional sports game, would barely get me and my family into an opera or symphony excepting the "limited visibility" or nose bleed seats, would barely pay for a good restuarant (without wine), etc etc and I get to use and read said rulebook over and over. I see nothing wrong with fluff and backstory and TOE and good support on-line. If $50 USD means the company that publishes the rules and supports the game stays in business then all the power to them. It's like complaining that 25mm figures aren't 5p each anymore, or that gas isn't 50 cents. The real problem isn't price of these items, it's that real wages have been stagnant for 30 years.

Many of the classic early miniature rules (Grant's Wargames, several Featherstone titles) were hardback books and priced accordingly. And you were fortunate if they contained a few black & white photos. Now a standard hardback book today is in the $30 USD-40 range as compared to $5 USD-7 in the early 1970s. It may seem like the current flashy rules are way overpriced, but compared to board wargames and "Euro" style games in general, they aren't. Still I want to yell at somebody to get off my lawn.

I wish I still had all my LotR books for RPG from Iron Crown. A great set – albeit I only discovered it much too late, and long after the height of my RPG days (Tunnels & Trolls and D&D 1st Edition, and then AD&D and CoC)

$50 USD, or even $100 USD may be fine for some, but I won't be buying them, and suspect a lot of others won't either.

I imagine they'd sell a lot more, if they were more reasonably priced, instead of overpriced coffee table books.

Plus, as mentioned in previous postings, there's the "Wargaming Rules Inverse Pricing Law" (just so named by me, and copyrighted), which states, the more the book costs, the lower the quality of the rules. Following along with that rule, which are also related to the cost side of things are the following: the larger the book, the more color pics, and the inclusion of a hardcover will all help contribute to an exponential dumbing down of the rules, to such a degree as to make them unplayable.

" which states, the more the book costs, the lower the quality of the rules."

Since you don't buy any of the "expensive" rules, how could you possibly prove your theory? 8)=

In point of fact there is absolutely NO correlation between cost and quality, or lack thereof. I have plenty of cheap, crappy rules which I will never play, but far more well-produced, excellent sets. The secret is good research. I don't buy the pricey books until I read about the system and decide that it's for me. Force on Force, Rules of Engagement, Kampfgruppe Normandy, and Battlegroup Kursk have all been great huge hardback rules systems with lots of the things you consider extraneous that I will continue to play for years.