regarding evgeni's spins, i'm wondering if that supposed cannonball sit-spin was not really the spin he was trying? maybe he wished to keep his foot off of his knee instead of on it? new style perhaps? lol. it was lower than the usual such sit-spins and he held his foot the whole time.... so i think it wasn't supposed to be a conventional cannonball sit-spin.

His performance here was not a great one. He did an excellent Quad-Triple combination and an excellent Triple Axel. He is showing great promise of returning to the level he used to skate at, but there was really nothing else to be excited about in this performance. He was overscored because of his name and there are a lot of things he should be working on in his skating.

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I don't know about placement, but I was left feeling underwhelmed by Evgeni also. Perhaps rustiness or being out of training for a while left him a bit sapped for energy during his step sequence (so it's understandable)...but he's still doing that thing where he packs all his jumps in at the very beginning of the program with deadspace in between them.

With nothing left to prove, and no missing golds, I wish he'd found more motivation to experiment artistically rather than doing the tactical thing.

His performance here was not a great one. He did an excellent Quad-Triple combination and an excellent Triple Axel. He is showing great promise of returning to the level he used to skate at, but there was really nothing else to be excited about in this performance. He was overscored because of his name and there are a lot of things he should be working on in his skating.

Am curious - if he had done a decent 3L what would his score have been today? Pretty close to his score in Torino?
He is obviously doing more than enough to score very well under Cop vision of skating - whether it was the '06 version or today's version.
Why should he bother to change, other than cleaning up a few things here and there when he is the apparently the ideal skater of the new scoring system?
This can be considered a rhetorical post as I do not want to sound like a big wiseguy. But if you are not happy with his score and the placements today you need to be honest and I think it goes past reputation alone.

BTW, Kozuka deserved to win the SP. This guy is amazing. He is currently quite underrated in terms of his artistry. I got chills during his SP.

The Japanese have the strongest 3-man lineup, IMO. One of the best 3-man lineups ever, in fact. Takahashi, Kozuka, and Oda all have the ability to be World Champions.

The same can be said of Abbott, Weir, and Lysacek on the American side...but they aren't as consistent overall.

I was so upset by Kozuka's marks that it ruined my day. Not the fact that they put him second, I was expecting that, but to give a 6.75 edge to Plushy that is a madness. He was trumped in LA as well, now this is his second year in a row, I cannot get it. Someone here says he is ranked 3rd in Japan, what the hell that has to do with it? This is a sport not a monarchy where you have to wait your turn to get on the throne. Have we not seen sweeps before?

Yes, Japan has the strongest line-up in men's skating right now and the judges should treat them fairly if they compete well.
I looked at his face and he clearly was dissapointed by his marks. If you look at the breakdown, he was especially hit in Interpretation and performance. I would like to hear those judges, what was he supposed to do better to increase his marks on such a rock piece?

There are clips of interviews but almost all of them are in Russian, however, there's a video here of Johnny after the SP, but well since it's Johnny the first half is in Russian but then he switches to English

I've heard people who've seen Kozuka live complain about his presence on the ice. I was slightly underwhelmed by this short program, truth be told. I liked it better than Plushenko's program as a program, but it's hard not to be impressed by Plushenko's boldness on the ice. Kozuka comes off as timid by comparison, and I could definitely see that affecting the interpretation and p/e.

Oh and Kozuka got only level 2 on his step sequences ( I totally disagree with that) which I believe made more damage to him than his PCS which by the way were higher than Oda's, the supposed #2 japanese skater.

Am curious - if he had done a decent 3L what would his score have been today? Pretty close to his score in Torino?
He is obviously doing more than enough to score very well under Cop vision of skating - whether it was the '06 version or today's version.
Why should he bother to change, other than cleaning up a few things here and there when he is the apparently the ideal skater of the new scoring system?
This can be considered a rhetorical post as I do not want to sound like a big wiseguy. But if you are not happy with his score and the placements today you need to be honest and I think it goes past reputation alone.

I know you are not addressing me but I wanted to say a few things (btw, I find myself agreeing with many of your posts.)

Plushenko is one of my favourite male skaters, and I admire him a lot. In 2002 I preferred Yagudin just a bit, but it seems that Plushy's passion for skating has proven more enduring, as shown by his return and his collaboration with Edvin Marton and their famous shows.

I didn't look at the scores or analyze them, so I'm not interesting in disputing or affirming the placements. But I guess I had high expectations of Plushenko, and since he really has nothing more to achieve on his resume, I would love to see him expand and grow because winning tournaments should no longer be his endpoint. I see him as one of the few skaters these days that can push athletic limits and artistic depths, so why settle for something that just wins? :frown2: I love him!