These Hardy heads cast beautiful, carry a loop like a dream and set down like a feather. I have never cast the Orvis heads, but imagine they would be great on a 7/8/9 2 hander for over head, or the T&T12X12, CND Atlantis, or the new Loomis. Will combine shipping, buy more than one and I'll knock $5.00 off. I am never going to use these, somebody jump on them.