tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post9201781976170398737..comments2017-08-17T19:35:11.467-07:00Comments on Had Enough Therapy?: True Self-AwarenessStuart Schneidermanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12784043736879991769noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-80389042128637979602017-05-16T13:09:29.929-07:002017-05-16T13:09:29.929-07:00Another day, another vote for Trump and the Dunnin...Another day, another vote for Trump and the Dunning-Kruger effect and Trump&#39;s lack of external self-awareness, but I know, the New York Times and David Brooks are not &quot;objective&quot;, so must be ignored. Or its all an act, to confuse people, so no worries, or chaos is what you want sown, so its all good.<br /><br />https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/opinion/trump-classified-data.html<br />---<br />[Trump] is thus the all-time record-holder of the Dunning-Kruger effect, the phenomenon in which the incompetent person is too incompetent to understand his own incompetence. Trump thought he’d be celebrated for firing James Comey. He thought his press coverage would grow wildly positive once he won the nomination. He is perpetually surprised because reality does not comport with his fantasies.<br />...<br />He seems to have not yet developed a theory of mind. Other people are black boxes that supply either affirmation or disapproval. As a result, he is weirdly transparent. He wants people to love him, so he is constantly telling interviewers that he is widely loved. In Trump’s telling, every meeting was scheduled for 15 minutes but his guests stayed two hours because they liked him so much.<br />...<br />We’ve got this perverse situation in which the vast analytic powers of the entire world are being spent trying to understand a guy whose thoughts are often just six fireflies beeping randomly in a jar.<br /><br />“We badly want to understand Trump, to grasp him,” David Roberts writes in Vox. “It might give us some sense of control, or at least an ability to predict what he will do next. But what if there’s nothing to understand? What if there is no there there?”<br />---Ares Olympushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09726811306826601686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-67994414824496028642017-05-14T09:25:36.327-07:002017-05-14T09:25:36.327-07:00Ignatius Acton Chesterton OCD said... Your command...Ignatius Acton Chesterton OCD said... Your command of the English language is pathetic. <br /><br />Don&#39;t worry, I don&#39;t mind being pitied. English is a tough language for all of us, so I&#39;ll try to keep learning too. <br /><br />I just hope you don&#39;t think you need to offer me softballs to help me feel better.Ares Olympushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09726811306826601686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-73047998342368284512017-05-13T17:28:12.855-07:002017-05-13T17:28:12.855-07:00And keep pulling from Bloomberg. Really objective ...And keep pulling from Bloomberg. Really objective source. Impressive. Ignatius Acton Chesterton OCDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18222603717128565302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-15550048381629469302017-05-13T17:27:01.952-07:002017-05-13T17:27:01.952-07:00Look up the word &quot;incredulity,&quot; Ares, an...Look up the word &quot;incredulity,&quot; Ares, and you&#39;ll have my response. <br /><br />Correct you are: I do not believe. <br /><br />Your command of the English language is pathetic. Ignatius Acton Chesterton OCDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18222603717128565302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-61936700359420660332017-05-13T14:15:25.407-07:002017-05-13T14:15:25.407-07:00On IAC&#39;s incredulity of Trump&#39;s relation t...On IAC&#39;s incredulity of Trump&#39;s relation to the Dunning-Kruger effect relation, my thoughts are not unique. Some people need tiger-blood and cocaine to instantly know everything, others maybe just need to be surrounded by sycophants for 50 years. <br /><br />External self awareness is the obvious cure, along with a willingness to remember accurately what you said yesterday and compare it to today.<br /><br />https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-05-12/trump-s-dangerous-disability-it-s-the-dunning-kruger-effect<br />---<br />This is getting close to Will’s diagnosis of Donald Trump as a person who thinks he knows everything but in fact doesn’t know what it is to know something. The Dunning-Kruger effect and the knowledge illusion aren’t disorders, but are part and parcel of being human. Some people, however, are much more subject to these than others. And Trump seems to occupy an extreme end of the spectrum.<br /><br />Is there any hope for Trump? His experience as president may make him more aware of how little he knows, said Sloman. Trump recently told reporters, for example, that “Nobody knew health care was so complicated.” He couldn’t quite bring himself to admit being wrong without sharing the blame with the rest of the world -– but perhaps it’s a start.<br />---Ares Olympushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09726811306826601686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-20781635930628929652017-05-12T17:13:46.791-07:002017-05-12T17:13:46.791-07:00Looks like you&#39;ve lost control of your comment...Looks like you&#39;ve lost control of your comments section, Schneiderman. And it all traces back to one person. Is it worth it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-85065850257406350142017-05-12T15:54:09.263-07:002017-05-12T15:54:09.263-07:00Youcan get a lot of &quot;true self awareness&quot...Youcan get a lot of &quot;true self awareness&quot; by slamming a door on your hand.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13642228725661059539noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-30254457605633054882017-05-12T14:19:45.619-07:002017-05-12T14:19:45.619-07:00My gosh,Stuart for all those comments you did rece...My gosh,Stuart for all those comments you did receive for your today blog !<br />☺⌛ .<br />I will say:« l&#39;habit ne fait pas le moine » et ...« vice versa»<br />J.RJackie Raynalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01997879676190678100noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-43512376186395107212017-05-12T12:36:35.517-07:002017-05-12T12:36:35.517-07:00Anonymous @12:22PM, indeed, that&#39;s what Tasha ...Anonymous @12:22PM, indeed, that&#39;s what Tasha Eurich is suggesting.<br /><br />But she also admitted the difficulty in getting good feedback from others, and suggested 3 steps (right people, right questions, right process) for the best feedback, given in her related video:<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WChXXsWAf70 Insight: Why We&#39;re Not as Self Aware as We Think - 2017 <br /><br />She says &quot;Not everyone will tell us the truth. Don&#39;t ask unloving critics. Don&#39;t ask uncritical lovers. Ask people who you know have your best interest at heart, and who are willing to be honest when you ask.&quot;<br />Ares Olympushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09726811306826601686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-5302168776972686932017-05-12T12:22:25.179-07:002017-05-12T12:22:25.179-07:00&#39;but there is research showing that the way ot...&#39;but there is research showing that the way other people see us is more objective than the way we see ourselves.&#39;<br /><br />Sample size is an issue. There is only one of me to have an opinion of me (n = 1) but many others to have an opinion of me (n &gt; 1)<br /><br />Even if everyone is completely objective, the second option leads to an averaging of many opinions which is more likely to correctly reflect reality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-84538637915783688352017-05-12T10:03:33.162-07:002017-05-12T10:03:33.162-07:00Donald Trump definitely isn&#39;t interested in ex...Donald Trump definitely isn&#39;t interested in external self awareness, terrified that his denials on what he said in private could be disproval by secret recordings. Why not just tell the truth? Of course, that would mean realizing you&#39;re an emperor with no clothes on.<br /><br />https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/863007411132649473<br />@realDonaldTrump - James Comey better hope that there are no &quot;tapes&quot; of our conversations before he starts leaking to the press!<br />Ares Olympushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09726811306826601686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-58670461550886652912017-05-12T09:39:35.496-07:002017-05-12T09:39:35.496-07:00Hey, tw! You forgot the Sara Palin effect on the ...Hey, tw! You forgot the Sara Palin effect on the progs! Sure, it&#39;s diminished, but there&#39;s still a kernel of it remaining.Sam L.https://www.blogger.com/profile/00996809377798862214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-84517673742014518802017-05-12T04:39:38.662-07:002017-05-12T04:39:38.662-07:00I&#39;ve had enough Ares.I&#39;ve had enough Ares. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-80775217820425859752017-05-12T04:37:21.177-07:002017-05-12T04:37:21.177-07:00AO needs therapy. Dr. Schneiderman, the proper pre...AO needs therapy. Dr. Schneiderman, the proper prescription is full censorship of his irrelevant rantings. This has gone on long enough. The jury&#39;s verdict is clear. It&#39;s not that he&#39;s a challenging or alternative voice, it&#39;s that he&#39;s a shrieking crazy man who drowns out the conversation. Let&#39;s get back to the subject of your blog posts. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-9177006182774102332017-05-11T14:27:51.599-07:002017-05-11T14:27:51.599-07:00trigger warning said... There are many Proglodytes...trigger warning said... There are many Proglodytes who let Trump live inside their heads. Rent free. The man has rearranged the mental furniture.<br /><br />Nice try, but anyone not worried about Trump as president is a fool, and that seems to be a fair fraction of commenters here. I still try to understand. Once Trump leaves office, he can go back to being his lovable billionaire self to people who want to admire him.<br /><br />I&#39;ll give Trump points for being a great huckster. Trump&#39;s &quot;true self-awareness&quot; would seem difficult to measure if he&#39;s surrounded by yes-men who refuse to trigger Trump&#39;s next temper tantrum by giving their honest assessment.<br /><br />Ares Olympushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09726811306826601686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-21837734571734685312017-05-11T14:02:45.020-07:002017-05-11T14:02:45.020-07:00There are many Proglodytes who let Trump live insi...There are many Proglodytes who let Trump live inside their heads. Rent free. The man has rearranged the mental furniture. He&#39;s a remarkably successful man, and has consumed the Left. It&#39;s masterful, actually. The entire Proglodyte political agenda is laser focused on him, and apparently to no effect. I observe it play out, and I&#39;m astonished.trigger warninghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06310637474428322994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-34309340302015337712017-05-11T13:42:26.761-07:002017-05-11T13:42:26.761-07:00Ares, I&#39;m not sure what President Trump has to...Ares, I&#39;m not sure what President Trump has to do with Dunning-Kruger, but you cannot resist, can you? Trump owns you.Ignatius Acton Chesterton OCDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18222603717128565302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-33303512639737503202017-05-11T12:23:21.816-07:002017-05-11T12:23:21.816-07:00IAC: The amazing thing after all AO&#39;s talk abo...IAC: The amazing thing after all AO&#39;s talk about feedback, he seems to have missed the feedback many have communicated to him here. Perhaps he doesn&#39;t care, which would explain the esteem he is held in. Fitting that Dunning-Kruger would say &quot;The least competent people are most confident in their abilities.&quot; <br /><br />Competence is a tricky when dealing in opinions. We know our president is incompetent and ignorant, so we have to trust he surrounds himself by competent people to prod him into fact-base thinking. <br /><br />But everyone love Trump because of his ignorance and he can say anything he wants because he doesn&#39;t know any better. They want him to stir things up, and force the opposition to defend their long held expert turfs. The elite and experts are no match for the twitter master.<br /><br />If I was elected president, I&#39;d definite be concerned about the Dunning-Kruger in my own character, while in fact without any power to inflict anything on others more than opinion that makes me at worst, to quote Hitchhiker&#39;s guide to the galaxy as &quot;mostly harmless.&quot;<br /><br />I know the illiberal left would prefer to silence the opposition that they don&#39;t like, but I&#39;ve not tried to silence anyone, and I&#39;ve not claimed singular confidence in any of my opinions outside of direct knowledge. In fact my ideal way to escape ideology is to always keep at least two contrary positions in mine to any consideration I give to a subject. I don&#39;t have to say both positions are equally likely. I only need to identity the most intellectually threatening counter-narrative I can find.<br /><br />If I did hold sway to the opinions of others on my expressed opinions, surely it would be much easier for me to learn how to trash talk whomever isn&#39;t in any given room at the time who can&#39;t defend himself. <br /><br />If its good enough for talk radio, it&#39;s good enough for many people I&#39;m not impressed with. That&#39;s my bias.<br />Ares Olympushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09726811306826601686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-16974241934684663632017-05-11T11:52:00.228-07:002017-05-11T11:52:00.228-07:00Ares Olympus: &quot;Stuart, I&#39;m sure there&#39...Ares Olympus: &quot;Stuart, I&#39;m sure there&#39;ll be some cheers for your execution.&quot;<br /><br />HIP-HIP-HOORAY!<br /><br />Blahgga: Thank God for the scroll bar. The amazing thing after all AO&#39;s talk about feedback, he seems to have missed the feedback many have communicated to him here. Perhaps he doesn&#39;t care, which would explain the esteem he is held in. Fitting that Dunning-Kruger would say &quot;The least competent people are most confident in their abilities.&quot; <br /><br />Ares: Time to take a look at those 7 Pillars of Insight, and apply them to yourself.<br /><br />TW: As for the &quot;Comment Thread Police,&quot; Sean Connery&#39;s character in &quot;The Untouchables&quot; had a couple unforgettable lines: <br /><br />&quot;So, what are you going to do about it?&quot;<br /><br />&quot;What are you prepared to do?&quot;Ignatius Acton Chesterton OCDhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18222603717128565302noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-74422834803023458662017-05-11T09:50:48.953-07:002017-05-11T09:50:48.953-07:00So instead of one massive comment by AO, we&#39;re...So instead of one massive comment by AO, we&#39;re gonna have several semi-long ones. I guess I&#39;ll just have to do the ignore navigation around them. <br /><br />Blahgga the HuttAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-68595899609881376372017-05-11T09:33:53.284-07:002017-05-11T09:33:53.284-07:00p.s. I see the author, Tasha Eurich, has a lecture...p.s. I see the author, Tasha Eurich, has a lecture about her book, clipped down to 20 minute. It&#39;s worth a listen.<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WChXXsWAf70 Insight: Why We&#39;re Not as Self Aware as We Think - 2017 <br /><br />She talked about &quot;self awareness unicorns&quot; who have &quot;true self-aware&quot;, apparently only 10-15% of us, and the test in identifying them is that a self-assessment and assessment from friends must agree specific traits.<br /><br />She says these unicorns have just as much difficulty in receiving feedback from others, but they try anyway.<br /><br />She mentioned &quot;The least competent people are most confident in their abilities&quot;, which is known as the Dunning–Kruger effect.<br /><br />Her 7 pillars of insights are: (quickly given, no details, read the book!)<br />1. Values - the principles we want to live our lives<br />2. Passions<br />3. Aspirations<br />4. Fit - what kind of environment is best for our abilities.<br />5. Patterns - our consistent ways of behaving<br />6. Reactions - our ability to monitor or reactions<br />7. Awareness of the impact we have on others<br /><br />Good feedback has 3 steps:<br />1. Ask the right people. <br /><br />Not everyone will tell us the truth. Don&#39;t ask unloving critics. Don&#39;t ask uncritical lovers. Ask people who you know have your best interest at heart, and who are willing to be honest when you ask.<br /><br />2. Ask the right questions. <br /><br />Be very clear what feedback you want. Which sorts of behaviors do you want to know about? <br /><br />3. Use the right process.<br /><br />Give context for your request, and if possible, allow them time to observe and pay attention to what you want them to look at.<br />Ares Olympushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09726811306826601686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-27140631332964914452017-05-11T08:50:32.580-07:002017-05-11T08:50:32.580-07:00&quot;If you want to set standards, set them and c...&quot;If you want to set standards, set them and clearly, and be consistent.&quot;<br /><br />The Comment Thread Police have spoken, Schneiderman... Govern yourself accordingly.<br /><br />:-Dtrigger warninghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06310637474428322994noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-20786852214342566672017-05-11T08:41:43.111-07:002017-05-11T08:41:43.111-07:00Stuart, I&#39;m sure there&#39;ll be some cheers f...Stuart, I&#39;m sure there&#39;ll be some cheers for your execution.<br /><br />In my defense, my comment was on topic and focused, and not even disagreeable, supporting the fact both are important - internal and external self-awareness.<br /><br />And I&#39;ll believe your good faith in deleting if you do the same to the 9 sequential comments, 3700 words by an anonymous person yesterday.<br />https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=8078379512095504946&amp;postID=960516008941205330<br /><br />If you want to set standards, set them and clearly, and be consistent. I still don&#39;t know what your standards are, but I accept that blogger.com doesn&#39;t give you much editorial middle ground to work with.<br />Ares Olympushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09726811306826601686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-40800743837648741532017-05-11T08:05:17.707-07:002017-05-11T08:05:17.707-07:00When I said I wanted certain people to keep their ...When I said I wanted certain people to keep their comments short I wasn&#39;t kidding.Stuart Schneidermanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12784043736879991769noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8078379512095504946.post-47653023966512558382017-05-11T08:00:56.351-07:002017-05-11T08:00:56.351-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Ares Olympushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09726811306826601686noreply@blogger.com