I have to say,and nothing personal meant by this,but I did not read the initial post at ALL,simply because of the title,"Why YOU shouldn't wing clip".I get taken wrong alot of times,tone is hard to interpret on a board,that just seemed like it was going to be dictatorial,and alot of people took it like that. Just food for thought about wing clipping,these are the points I usually make- Most average bird owners do not have sense enough to take BASIC care of their birds.We're talking diet,proper cage space,cage cleaning.So it is irresponsible,in my opinion,to encourage those people,which are the ones that are going to take such advice to heart,to leave their birds unclipped.The "average" bird owner is a scary individual that will cut off it's bird's tail and cover the cage in mite protectors.They'll happily share their chocolate chip cookies and guacamole dip with the bird. Again,these same people don't know alot about training their birds either,and clipping wings does help in that area. As far as the "birds in the wild don't fly into walls or windows" argument,tell that to the robin (I know,darn ironic) that flew into my window a couple weeks back,and broke it's neck. Finally,IDEALLY,we should be able to keep our birds unclipped,allowing them the freedom to go wherever they wish.Ideally they'd be on perfect diets,they'd get fantastic vet care,never be in any danger.Unfortunately we do not live in an ideal world.