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Why a political suicide? If he does that then the order of the black knights reach their goal and the war ends, it could be a happy ending....

Even if brittania hates the area 11 and the elevens, lelouch is the emperor and he has the power of the geass....so i dont see a problem there....

The Black Knights don't want Britannia running Japan, they want Japan free. If Lelouch has any hope of ending the fighting, which he clearly does if he intends to make a world where people can be kind to others, then giving up Japan is the only way he can do it.

Suzaku's not going to get to run Area 11. That would be political suicide for Lelouch. If it isn't already free, Lelouch will give it up.

I never understand why it was such a big deal to rule Japan. Suzaku and Lelouch now control half of the world, Japan is pretty much insignificant at that point and the empire needs them. Not to run off to Japan and run things from there.

I never understand why it was such a big deal to rule Japan. Suzaku and Lelouch now control half of the world, Japan is pretty much insignificant at that point and the empire needs them. Not to run off to Japan and run things from there.

Considering that all modern technology runs off a substance which Japan possesses a practical monopoly on, it is a rather important place. It's like Dune universe shrunk into a planet.

I never understand why it was such a big deal to rule Japan. Suzaku and Lelouch now control half of the world, Japan is pretty much insignificant at that point and the empire needs them. Not to run off to Japan and run things from there.

It think that its because in code geass the mount fuji is a mine of "sakuradite" a mineral that is used as a fuel for the knightmares.

Charles says in 15 that there is only one person, and there would be only one person if his plan had gone through. Charles and Marianne wanted a world where no one would be able to hide who they really are, and this required breaking the masks "God" creates for that purpose. And again, politics in the new world would not mean the same thing, so it wouldn't be politics.

Charles said 'there is only one person', which means that his statement was already true at the time he was saying it. Given that Ragnorok hadn't been activated yet, it's pretty clear that it (Ragnorok) had nothing to do with humanity's 'oneness'.

In fact, Charles' statement was a pretty clear reference to Jung's 'collective unconciousness'. Given that that was what the World of C was, that goes for Marianne's statements as well: in the psychological school of literary analysis, the 'female' is considered a chaotic force which desires to absorb everything into itself (via its engulfing vagina) while the 'male' is considered an orderly force which desires to separate and define (via its phallic penis).

Anyway, my point is, those things are to be taken as allusions, not literally. Characters' various uses of 'one' have nothing to do with individuality.

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There would be no individuality in Charles and Marianne's world, because the ability to distinguish the memories of one person from those of another would be forever lost. Everyone would be the same person.

See, you don't really know what you're talking about. Memories and feelings don't define a person. You are aware that people's behaviour and personalities are based some 80% upon genetics as opposed to a meagre 20% on their environment/experiences, right? Even having exactly the same memories and experiences, two different bodies will not behave alike. And seriously, how did you even get from 'people would have access to the memories of others' to 'people wouldn't be able to distinguish their own'?

Charles said 'there is only one person', which means that his statement was already true at the time he was saying it. Given that Ragnorok hadn't been activated yet, it's pretty clear that it (Ragnorok) had nothing to do with humanity's 'oneness'.

In fact, Charles' statement was a pretty clear reference to Jung's 'collective unconciousness'. Given that that was what the World of C was, that goes for Marianne's statements as well: in the psychological school of literary analysis, the 'female' is considered a chaotic force which desires to absorb everything into itself (via its engulfing vagina) while the 'male' is considered an orderly force which desires to separate and define (via its phallic penis).

Anyway, my point is, those things are to be taken as allusions, not literally. Characters' various uses of 'one' have nothing to do with individuality.

See, you don't really know what you're talking about. Memories and feelings don't define a person. You are aware that people's behaviour and personalities are based some 80% upon genetics as opposed to a meagre 20% on their environment/experiences, right? Even having exactly the same memories and experiences, two different bodies will not behave alike. And seriously, how did you even get from 'people would have access to the memories of others' to 'people wouldn't be able to distinguish their own'?

Honestly, I've explained this more times than I care to, so I only intend to do it once more.

C's World, in succinct terms, is every human that ever was, is, and will be. Their thoughts, memories, and so forth united as a single will divided among individuals though the masks it creates. Charles plan was to eliminate those masks. In doing so, everything that is all those souls is united once more, a unified will replacing the scattered masses. You focus on the physical form as if it somehow defines individuality, but it does not, not on its own. Twins are individuals, despite looking the same. What defines a person is their ability to distinguish themselves from others, which simply can't be done if all that is them is shared with everyone else and vice versa. Individuality is lost in the sea of shared consciousness.

Honestly, I've explained this more times than I care to, so I only intend to do it once more.

C's World, in succinct terms, is every human that ever was, is, and will be. Their thoughts, memories, and so forth united as a single will divided among individuals though the masks it creates. Charles plan was to eliminate those masks. In doing so, everything that is all those souls is united once more, a unified will replacing the scattered masses. You focus on the physical form as if it somehow defines individuality, but it does not, not on its own. Twins are individuals, despite looking the same. What defines a person is their ability to distinguish themselves from others, which simply can't be done if all that is them is shared with everyone else and vice versa. Individuality is lost in the sea of shared consciousness.

Fine with me, man. I'm not the one going around trying to push my opinion onto others; I'm just pointing out the logical flaws in your reasoning.

And here we've got some more. The World of C is the summation of human past. There's no indication at all that current humans inhabit the World of C, and there's even less reason to believe that it is the originator of human souls. Furthermore, as a mere collection of consciousness, Jupiter has no will. If God had truly infused every human with some small part of his will, then why would C.C.--who is far more intimately knowledgeable of the World of C than you--assert that no person's life holds meaning?

To continue: your half-assed counterpoint about twins fails because although twins are genetically identical, this is not true physically (phenotypically). Two twins with entirely identical memories would still be able to tell each other apart by the fact that one has herpes and the other melted his arm in a vat of acid. To put it simply, how the fuck are you getting that Ragnorok shares 'all' that is a person when different people still inhabit different physical realities? Charles said that people would be able to understand each other, not jack each others bodies. You would still be able to distinguish yourself from others from the fact that its not your face (as in, the one you can contort into funny shapes) which is being mauled by a grizzly bear.

Okay, that is IT. 'Kay? Nunnally Vi Britannia is motherfucking DEAD. Vaporized, atomized,vanquished,dissolved, fucking GONE FROM THE WORLD STAGE. I know it's incredibly hard for some of you to take a fucking hint, and go, oh, she's just in hiding or she's on damn Jupiter, but she's DEAD. The site NEVER bullshits. Taniguchi does NOT withdraw on his actions and say "HEY! She/he was alive after all, ah, we were fucking with you!"

lelouche is starting to abuse his geass... if he has to mind control everybody to take over the world, then i cant just give him the honorable respect i use to

Other then the fact that that's kind of impossible and kind of antithesis of what he stood for in Turn 21 by rejecting Charles then I kind of doubt it. It's just a way of securing his power so he can push forward for his real plan, I'm telling you >_>

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"That is why we must embrace carnage. In order to not waste the blood that has already been shed, we have no choice but to shed even more."- Lelouch Vi Britannia