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Not that it really matters if Spectrum is not standing anymore but worth correcting anyway: from Silverwood Farm's website:'Spectrum has passed the 100 Day Test, with excellent scores for temperament, rideability and character.' Unless this is a different 100 day test that you are talking about.

I really like Wolkenzauber and Radikal very much. They both have wonderful lines top and bottom. Either one of them may fit your bill. Why can't you (wicked1) show the owner of the two sires a tape of your mare and inquire which one might improve your mare's qualities. It helps to talk to the SO, too. I am not a breeder myself, but if I had a pinto mare I would definitely look into those two sires at Cocolalla Creek. It won't hurt to give the SO a try.

I'm curious to hear what others think -- do you feel comfortable doubling up on the Samber if it is far enough back in the pedigree, and how far back would you consider "far enough"?

Sempatico, for example, has Samber three generations back, I think. The same with a couple of the Crestline stallions -- I think Samber is three generations back in the pedigrees of both Pallido Blu and Painted.

When I was turning over rocks for a non-Samber

I was warned by quite a few folks in Europe that even further back that "super heaviness" could show up from time to time. That was what prompted me to search for maybe a Trak bred stallion but with the economy...I decided to back away from breeding, so I never completed my task. Good luck.

Claim to Fame is 4 generations from Samber........so the foal would be 5 back! He is a hunter type stallion who still holds the record of the ONLY Tobiano pinto horse to win Hunter Breeding at Devon in 120+ years of record. He also did well on the A circuit before being retired to breeding. He also has a (non presented/approved) homozygous son, Counterclaim, who is 5 generations from Samber.
We also have frozen semen from a very unique pinto.......Colaire, who is 5 generations from Samber on the damline, and sired by the legendary Voltaire!

Many of the German registries absolutely would not register colored horses, period. Has nothing to do with the quality of the horse; the color was what disqualified them. Most German colored stallions are registered with Zfdp, and they do go through a grading.
I did find a stallion in the UK named Stanhope's Diddicoy. He's still active.http://www.stanhopestud.com/http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?i=10417489
He gets his color from his sire, Ico. He's a fairly successful sire with numerous FEI level event horses to his credit.

There was an Ico son named Nekoma who jumped internationally. He has numerous stallion sons, including Nock-out who is approved with many registries--and is colored. He's available frozen from SES. He's Samber free.http://www.superiorequinesires.com/s...snockout.shtml

Many of the German registries absolutely would not register colored horses, period. Has nothing to do with the quality of the horse; the color was what disqualified them.

I believe this is correct for Hanover and Holstein, but I know that Oldenburg does register them, and will even license the stallions, assuming they meet the same quality standard as the "non-color" stallions.

That said, I don't believe there have been many of them licensed in Oldenburg, partly because the Germans as a whole don't like high color horses, and "colored" foals and young horses are harder to sell. So there aren't a lot of them bred, which makes for a very limited pool of quality colts for licensing.

IIRC, Paul Schockemoehle and Sissy Max-Theurer co-owned a pinto colt that got licensed at the main licensing event. It was quite a few years ago, so I am not sure I remember it correctly, but it may have been Sanyo. I think he was sold to Sprehe, but don't know where he is these days, or even if he is still a stallion. He had Samber in the pedigree, though - his sire Semper was Sandro/Samber.

I'm curious to hear what others think -- do you feel comfortable doubling up on the Samber if it is far enough back in the pedigree, and how far back would you consider "far enough"?

We have line bred to Samber considerably, perhaps the fact that the lines that we have used have over 50% OX have helped maintain the refinement.

One very exciting stallion at the moment is Roccossifred, if your looking at jumping bloodlines. He is only seven years old but really showing scope and talent to go all the way but that's hardly suprising given his pedigree.

In showjumping Limbo has to be the most successful pinto progenitor of show jumpers.

L&L...
About Roccossifred, ....are you going to have frozen? If so who will carry it in North America?
I am in Canada...and we have 'spoken' via email before. <smile>
I have a Sempatico daughter about 16.1 at 4yrs old...who is very refined whom I think may cross very well with him. She is in foal to Bon Balou for her first foal. As she is homozygous for tobiano and EE colour wise, foal will be pinto and a dark colour.
My Samber grandaughter Faberge is showing a *lot* of talent for jumping ....she has only been started under saddle since I aquired her this spring...but is currently in foal to Banderas(Balou de Rouet xGrannus)...so she will have to slow down soon!
I am seriously thinking frozen for some of my girls next spring.
I have no issue with doubling up with Samber...really depends on the mare and her bloodlines.
Martha

L&L...
I have a Sempatico daughter about 16.1 at 4yrs old...who is very refined whom I think may cross very well with him. She is in foal to Bon Balou for her first foal. As she is homozygous for tobiano and EE colour wise, foal will be pinto and a dark colour.