I was actually very surprised by Derek Carr's workout. I wish he would have thrown, but all of his drills were much better than I was expecting.

I was expecting Bortles to have a better workout as well, but I personally thought he looked pretty decent throwing the ball. I really like his delivery.

Think it is between Teddy and Bortles with all these reports of Manziel just media hype because he is from a Texas school. Just like in 2006 with Vince Young. Think that Teddy doesn't have the arm strength unless O'Brien wants to install a West coast type of offense._________________

I think at this point its Bortles to lose. Maybe scouts found a knock on his mechanics but he looked extremely comfortable and confident in his abilities while throwing to randoms. Seemed to have good touch on the deep ball. And the velocity you look for in the short to intermediate routes. I came away impressed. I wish bridgewater would have thrown to compare the two. My biggest issue with Teddy is his inconsistency in ball placement from 15 yards and beyond. It would have been nice to compare the two. Clowney has all the intangibles you want at # 1 but that's not the issue. Heart typically isn't grown. And does anyone truthfully see him open to a team friendly deal after year 4? I know its a matter of BPA but also think longevity should be a factor. We have the first pick, it should be Bortles at this point.

Granted I am somewhat disgusted at Teddy, Carr and Manziel for holding slots that a eager QB like Brett Smith would have fought to replace. But the agents know better_________________

Ive read several scouts are saying that Logan Thomas will be a solid 3rd or 4th round pick now......

Doesn't make it any less of a wasted pick.

If you base the eval of Logan Thomas strictly on paper, with measurable and bulk stats and such, you'd get a picture of a guy who isn't that bad. He had some moments where he put up gaudy stats in a conservative offense, he certainly looks the part with his size, he's always been a great athlete...

...but if you actually WATCH him play QB, you come away thoroughly unimpressed. He tends to throw over his targets heads and forces them to jump for passes, he has zero pocket presence, he has tunnel vision and stares down his first read right when the ball is snapped, he gets wildly panicked when he takes a few hits, he hears footsteps that aren't there, and he has a knack for making the biggest mistake at the biggest moment of a game. Some of this can be coached out of a player, but some of this just sticks around and can't be unlearned - most notably, the ghostly footsteps that he tends to feel, phantom pressure if you will.

He's got good mechanics and good footwork, but his eyes and his arm just put that talent to waste. He doesn't read a defense well, and his WRs have to make superman-esque plays on the ball to even hope to come down with it. Just like every draft, there is a coach out there who feels as if they can work with him and get him there, but Frank Beamer has been working with him since he took the starting job, and there simply has been no progression - in fact, he's taken steps backwards every year, and that is never a good sign.

I'll let someone else take the risk on this guy. I'd much rather get a ST guy or a reserve OL/DL than spend a pick on Thomas._________________

Brady had the same knocks on him, and I'm certainly not comparing the two but I am comparing the 2 coming out with no love. Both big guys with skills but Brady wasn't near the athlete.

Every year a QB in the 2nd tier seems to make his way into the NFL and eventually earn a starting role and I have him as that guy from this class._________________
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Brady had the same knocks on him, and I'm certainly not comparing the two but I am comparing the 2 coming out with no love. Both big guys with skills but Brady wasn't near the athlete.

...Brady ABSOLUTELY did not have the same knocks. Like, not even close. This statement could not be further from the truth unless I put it in a cannon and shot it into the Sun.

The only reason Brady fell is because he was a doughboy with zero athleticism and a weak arm. Accuracy, advanced pocket presence, clutch play in critical moments, a feel for the game as the game was going on...Brady had that, in spades. It's the only reason he got drafted; If he didn't have that, he was a pasty kid who had zero muscle tone and definition, and couldn't outrun a rabid toy poodle if he had to.

He's actually is the stark opposite of Thomas; He didn't look like he could do the job physically, but had the little things that make a good QB. Thomas has every tool you could imagine, but lacks every single intangible that a QB needs to make it._________________

Brady had the same knocks on him, and I'm certainly not comparing the two but I am comparing the 2 coming out with no love. Both big guys with skills but Brady wasn't near the athlete.

...Brady ABSOLUTELY did not have the same knocks. Like, not even close. This statement could not be further from the truth unless I put it in a cannon and shot it into the Sun.

The only reason Brady fell is because he was a doughboy with zero athleticism and a weak arm. Accuracy, advanced pocket presence, clutch play in critical moments, a feel for the game as the game was going on...Brady had that, in spades. It's the only reason he got drafted; If he didn't have that, he was a pasty kid who had zero muscle tone and definition, and couldn't outrun a rabid toy poodle if he had to.

He's actually is the stark opposite of Thomas; He didn't look like he could do the job physically, but had the little things that make a good QB. Thomas has every tool you could imagine, but lacks every single intangible that a QB needs to make it.

I should have worded it differently. I was referring to the same knocks that he would never be a starter and wouldn't make it in the league. Obviously very different players but they got the same hate_________________
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Brady had the same knocks on him, and I'm certainly not comparing the two but I am comparing the 2 coming out with no love. Both big guys with skills but Brady wasn't near the athlete.

Every year a QB in the 2nd tier seems to make his way into the NFL and eventually earn a starting role and I have him as that guy from this class.

If I had to bet on a 2nd tier guy, I'd bet on Arron Murray.

I also really like Murray.

Honestly I don't see it. Always seemed mediocre in games of his I watched.

He was their team last year. Murray kept them in games all year long and did it while missing his top weapons all year. The Auburn game was one of Murray's best performances. He lead them back from down (14-18 i believe) in the 4th quarter to take the lead. They would have won that game if it weren't for the first miracle at Auburn Stadium of the year.