1. Definitely disappointing that the Xbox isn't at parity with the PS4, but that's something we pretty much knew by now....

2. ....However, actually pleased the differences between the two were relatively minor. I'm not referring to technical perspective, I'm talking real world perception. I thought the game looked great (well, as great as a console can look) on both systems considering it's a launch title.

3. Doesn't change my mind about buying the Xbox - I'm willing to take that minor visual trade-off in exchange for the multimedia features...

4. ....However, I'm still on the fence about buying a lot of cross-platform titles until I see how more games shake out in comparison.

5. I'm pretty comfortable at this point that the rumor mill can be safely ignored, as pretty much everything so far (even the confirmed stuff) seems to have been blown way out of proportion. I expected the BF4 stuff to be World War 3, and instead it's kind of a collective yawn.

Just read 8 pages of this in one sitting and this is a pretty depressing thread.

A group of guys who have been on a forum for 10 years together should have more of a spirit of cooperation and partnership in truth seeking rather than ones upmanship for a console that they've had no hand in developing.

As for me, my wife has unexpectedly signed off on XB1 purchase for the family, but I'm hard pressed to justify Kinnect for the kids as I've found absolutely NOTHING about what will be available and when. Any help appreciated.

I still have them both pre-ordered and hope I can kick around again with the old crew in COD after two iterations off. I don't think most of you have dumped me from your friends list yet...and maybe if I catch Hark in the right mood, he'll add me back on

I still have them both pre-ordered and hope I can kick around again with the old crew in COD after two iterations off. I don't think most of you have dumped me from your friends list yet...and maybe if I catch Hark in the right mood, he'll add me back on

with the upped limit of friends it will be a while before people have to kick others to make space.

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I still have them both pre-ordered and hope I can kick around again with the old crew in COD after two iterations off. I don't think most of you have dumped me from your friends list yet...and maybe if I catch Hark in the right mood, he'll add me back on

with the upped limit of friends it will be a while before people have to kick others to make space.

Yeah. In a nutshell, you "follow" people - and you can see what they choose to make public. If they also follow you, then they are "friends" and have similar access to your info as the current system. No word on blocking, but I believe that is the case.

I hope they have groups you can classify people in.

I'm putting Kato in the "shit-scared-of-spiders" group.

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"If it weren't for Philo T. Farnsworth, inventor of television, we'd still be eating frozen radio dinners." - Johnny Carson

Just out of curiosity, I took a quick look at the numbers we have for Battlefield 4 to see how the consoles roughly compare in raw power for this particular game. Is it representative of the consoles at large? Most likely not. It's still interesting to look at in light of the percentages and speculation that has been thrown around (such as "PS4 is 40% more powerful" and "specs on paper mean little"). So what can we tell from what we've seen with BF4? I might get some facts wrong here, so if I do, please correct me.

The PS4 version runs at 900p while the Xbox One version runs at 720p. What does this actually mean in terms of processing? Well, the 900p resolution contains 1,440,000 pixels while 720p contains 921,600 pixels. In other words, the PS4 version needs to render more than 56% more pixels than the Xbox One each frame. That's a massive difference in GPU requirements right there, more than I expected actually.

I thought only the PS4 version contained antialiasing, but according to the Digital Foundry article I'm wrong. I'll just ignore AA as a factor. (the PC's AA routines are superior to either console version, for the record)

The PS4 version has ambient occlusion, which is a rather subtle but expensive effect. The Xbox One version is supposed to contain this effect at release, but we don't know if that'll have effects on other parts of the renderer, such as framerate.

According to DF, the PS4 version suffers from slight delays with some texture streaming, a problem the Xbox One version doesn't seem to have.

Framerate is comparable between the two versions, with a slight edge to the PS4, which seems to stay 2-4 fps ahead of the Xbox One on average. Not a big deal, but worth noting.

The Xbox One version has Kinect support, which includes at least voice commands and leaning/head tracking. I mention this because the Kinect and OS on the Xbox One has roughly 10% of the system's CPU capacity dedicated to it at all times, which does affect game performance.

All in all, this does seem quite similar to the specs on paper for these two consoles, though the PS4 comes off slightly better than expected. So in the case of BF4 (and let's keep it to that for now. It's unreasonable to use these stats as a measurement for the platforms themselves until we have more games to compare), the numbers that have been floating around for the last few months appear to be accurate. It's also interesting to note the texture streaming issue on the PS4, which shows the Xbox One's biggest hardware advantage. With eSRAM being faster than the PS4's GDDR5 RAM, as long as the Xbox One can keep enough free space in its cache, it'll be better at texture streaming than the PS4. This is probably something we'll see in more games as well. As for pure rendering performance, the PS4 pushes 56% more pixels each frame, has an additional fullscreen pixel shader effect (ambient occlusion), and still has an edge in framerate. That's pretty impressive.

The news about definite Xbone exclusivity for Titan Fall is making me much happier about changing to a wait & see stance on which to get first. I'm more on the fence than ever before about which console to get first.

Assuming Titan Fall really is as awesome as all the early impressions indicate, and assuming the 720p doom & gloom doesn't turn out as bad as the internet pitchfork mobs indicate... the Xbone now has three exclusive franchises that I really want access to: Forza, Tits'n'Fall, and Harkonis & Friends multiplayer.

I'm also really curious to see firsthand which controller I prefer. I know most early impressions give the edge to the PS4 controller, but I really prefer the Xbone's offset sticks and I'm very curious to see what the Xbone's force feedback triggers are like.

Add in having two kids who really could get a kick out of the new Kinect? I don't know. Despite all the clear reasons to go PS4 first, I have to admit the Xbone siren's call is getting a little more seductive.

You mentioned you downloaded the day one patch for PS4. Is it available on the PSN Store or something? I'm thinking of downloading it to a thumb drive as well so that I can patch without the delay on launch day.

"Both are round.", said the fruit merchant. "I wouldn't go much further than that. These have been plucked from new trees though, and they are not mature."

If you have something to discuss, then discuss it. Don't try to be clever/snarky. That's the kind of thing that creates sour moods.

You're right - I never really left being active in this thread without an explanation - my comments are simply parallel to the concept. They are not snarky or clever. I simply don't care to open any other cans of worms in response to the idea presented, so instead I use metaphor.

So, my response above? In other words - you're comparing oranges to apples from trees that are in their first season of bloom. Compare this to *any* other console launch in history, and you'll find both hardware and developers are doing a fantastic job of actually bringing some compelling gaming to the platform. Must-have titles several months off launch date? Fat chance in prior generations.

Then, to take a product which is DEVELOPER DEPENDENT and drawing conclusions about how consoles are going to work years out, when neither product is even on the market yet? That's not just conjecture - that's simply silly.

Frankly, I'm not really interested in engaging this full-on as clearly when I say something -in some peoples minds- they see an MS bias rather than what's actually happening. For instance, there was news about an Xbox dev countering claims of issues on XBL - and that developer, IN THIS FORUM, was panned as a shill. Any word spoken out against a rumour is considered being an apologist, or defensive, and it's total bullshit, and not worth getting worked up over.

No, from your perspective (not saying you were the one to call them a shill), it would have been basically validation of fact on a rumour (were it to swing in the other direction). IF THIS CRAP WAS SWINGING THE OTHER WAY, I'D BE SAYING THE SAME THING.

TBH TiLT, I have noticed a shift in your posts in particular - certainly the partisan slant has lessened, which IMO is good.

But as I pointed out much earlier, this isn't "PS4 sucks!" "No, Xbox One sucks!".It's "Xbox One sucks, and anyone who feels otherwise GETS JUMPED ON." "But, but .." "SILENCE SHILL!"

That can continue in this thread unabated by me - I do not have a horse in this race. I have my own preferences which I've made abundantly clear - I'm looking for something new from the next-gen - pushing graphics on a console is "meh" for me - within 3 years all my graphics whoring tendencies will be filled by my PC gaming (and this gen seems to indicate that'll be sooner rather than later).

I'm just not interested in feeling like I need to defend my purchase interests to satisfy the chicken-littles who claim gloom and doom, but when someone says something that I want to either echo, or challenge as a concept, you may see a one-or-two line response. It may not be poetry, but I'm certainly not running around trying to open every can of worms.

To get things out of the way (since the info I've posted here is not something I'm going to discuss further - don't bother replying)

Products are not out, and frankly with both having a Day One patch, whatever is out there now is not necessarily represented of delivered goods. Hell, we could see drastic changes in OS presentation (like the MS dashboard updates) a year or two out.

The development of games on said products are not at parity - MS was late to the party with mature hardware and dev kits. They also have a system which developers seem to need to work more at to get the results they're looking for.

The information about the hardware differences seems to be a determining factor for some people.

Were this a Venn diagram, that subset circle would be much smaller than the members of that circle would care to believe.

People who are desperately trying to warn people of a $500 purchase that might be bad? Don't lose sleep over it.

The act of slandering, naysaying and hammering on a product to make it seem inferior? That's called bucket-dipping. It's a form of bullying (linked way earlier in this thread, feel free to look up "Bucket Filling" for the definition of this concept).

I've not yet decided to go with both consoles - I just picked up a video card (my last one was causing system hangs and crashes) so it's dependent on cashflow from overtime and a 3-payday month.

These two consoles have a ton of fertile ground to grow in. Perhaps at different rates, but the market saturation is YEARS away. Worrying about month-to-month sales is silly IMO.

I really and truly hope you all are happy with your purchases at the end of the day - and I'd love to play games online with any of you, assuming we're on the same platform(s).

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"If it weren't for Philo T. Farnsworth, inventor of television, we'd still be eating frozen radio dinners." - Johnny Carson

But as I pointed out much earlier, this isn't "PS4 sucks!" "No, Xbox One sucks!".It's "Xbox One sucks, and anyone who feels otherwise GETS JUMPED ON." "But, but .." "SILENCE SHILL!"

Actually, to me it feels the opposite. Seems like some impassioned accusations of Sony fanboyism that aren't really justified.

I have to agree. It appears anyone, not just me, who posts anything about either the PS4 or the Xbox One gets attacked, no matter the content of the post, by a limited selection of members here. It's the attacks that are the problem, not the fanboyism (whether or not it's actually present).