people who have suggested CBzard dont know what choice band does evidently. it multiplys your pokesmon attack power by 1.5, but allows for only 1 move to be used. so flamethrower is useless. and also, dragon claw? a CBzard would be more like..

Hahahaha good joke your Charizard!! Adamant nature with Overheat on the moveset? Overheat is already horrible because lowers 2 stages your Special Attack. With Adamant... And more:if you use Belly Drum, i will become with 50 % of the HP. If the Pokémon is a Starmie? What would you do? Let it kill your Charizard? Or use Rest with Chesto Berry to recover your HP? I think the 2nd option is better, and I think many people here think the same.

Reno

23rd December 2006, 10:12 PM

Hahahaha good joke your Charizard!! Adamant nature with Overheat on the moveset? Overheat is already horrible because lowers 2 stages your Special Attack. With Adamant... And more:if you use Belly Drum, i will become with 50 % of the HP. If the Pokémon is a Starmie? What would you do? Let it kill your Charizard? Or use Rest with Chesto Berry to recover your HP? I think the 2nd option is better, and I think many people here think the same.

your an idiot. overheat with stab is a 210 base power move, to take out steels that wall you otherwise. you only need to use it once or twice. yeh and also starmie is faster than charizard so it would kill it anyway. seriously.
as i have stated, use belly drum when they use a stat upper move. then use substitute, activating salac berry. that increases your speed 1.5x. substitute protects the next attack, then you sweep with earthquake, till a phsyical wall comes along, then you smack it in the face with an overheat.

Umby

23rd December 2006, 10:29 PM

Ooohhh, really? And Earthquake isn't effective against Steel? I think i it's, no?And with Belly Drum it becomes more powerful than stabbed Overheat? I think it becomes. And with Adamant nature? Does Overheat becomes less powerful? I think it becomes. With no EV's on Special Attack, Overheat becomes more powerful than Earthquake with 252 EV's on Attack and Belly Drum? I think it doesn't. Think before you talk.

Reno

23rd December 2006, 10:39 PM

Ooohhh, really? And Earthquake isn't effective against Steel? I think i it's, no?And with Belly Drum it becomes more powerful than stabbed Overheat? I think it becomes. And with Adamant nature? Does Overheat becomes less powerful? I think it becomes. With no EV's on Special Attack, Overheat becomes more powerful than Earthquake with 252 EV's on Attack and Belly Drum? I think it doesn't. Think before you talk.

why dont you just not talk? running rest on charizard is a waste of a rest tm.as you may have to rest more than once. then you get owned by some rock pokemon, using rock slide while you are dozing. overheat is still incredibly powerful. would you like to see some comparison with falemthrower? no stab and after 2 uses of each.

overheat= 140-70=210
flamethrower=95-95=190

as you can see, overheat is more powerful. overheat on an adamant chaizrad is not meant for use constantly. its meant for 1 or 2 uses. and yes earthquake will be powerful. then they switch in aerodactyl! oh no..earthquake doesnt affect. and aerodactyl is faster than charizard!. STAB rock slide from aerodactyl your dead. running substitute lets you protect from that move, allowing you to activate salac berry. it also means you get a free overheat. yes it may not be super effective but, aero's spec.def sucks. its gonna be near death at least after that. and you will be fast as you would of activated salac berry.

Diligentmonk

24th December 2006, 12:38 AM

Btw this charizard need to beat e4, so umm some moves r limited

Theneedleman

24th December 2006, 3:55 PM

If you use an Adamant nature then I advise you to use Overheat just becuase you need your fire move to be able to attack something.

Reno

24th December 2006, 3:59 PM

thank you =). yes, overheat is still incredibly powerful, even if it has got adamant. it is there to get rid of physical walls, and anything that resists the other attacks.

ludicolo_kid

24th December 2006, 4:33 PM

either go naughty with flamethrower or adamant with verheat on swords dancer imo.