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This might have been more meaningful if the UN wasn't such an embarrassment of an organization. Isn't Syria on the human rights council? The UN is great in theory but in reality it's a joke. How many wars or fights between countries are going on and they don't do anything about it? How can they appoint countries like Syria which break human rights laws left right and centre and then turn around and put them on a human rights council?

This might have been more meaningful if the UN wasn't such an embarrassment of an organization. Isn't Syria on the human rights council? The UN is great in theory but in reality it's a joke. How many wars or fights between countries are going on and they don't do anything about it? How can they appoint countries like Syria which break human rights laws left right and centre and then turn around and put them on a human rights council?

The UN is a joke.

If each country gets to forbid entry, or forbid certain positions, to those it dislikes, the organization folds.

Let me put it another way. If a country pre-emptively invades and occupies other countries, if it tortures, murders civilians, and hold prisoners indefinitely; if it ignores international law and attacks funerals and rescuers, if it funds an apartheid state that keeps a whole people in large prison camps in squalid poverty, is it (the United States) a good candidate for the security council? Some might say not. And yet, the US feels differently.

As for the original story, this is a step in the right direction for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. One of the biggest obstacles to peace is the complete assymetry between the parties in terms of political power. The Israelis apparently see little reason to give up anything, when they can just take what they want by force whenever it suits them.

1 Kings 11:3: “He (Solomon) had seven hundred wives of royal birth and three hundred concubines, and his wives led him astray.” -- Biblical marriage. One man, seven hundred women.

Actually the Israeli's have offered to give up a significant portion of land. Arafat turned them down, remember?

After reading your posts, out of curiousity, does it bother you that Palestine is attempting to get statehood and become a legitimately recognized nation by everyone? and if so, for what reason? I don't see how this could possibly be a bad thing.

**I ask cuz I seem to get a hostile tone from you toward this situation. I could be mistaken of course

Last edited by nastynice; 11-30-2012 at 07:58 PM.

RAIDERS, SHARKS, WARRIORS

"i don't believe in mysteries but still i pray for my sister, when speaking to the higher power that listens, to the lifeless vision of freedom everytime we're imprisoned, to the righteous victims of people of a higher position" - planet asia, old timer thoughts

It seems to be a sin in America if you feel any sort of sympathy towards Palestinians.

Patrick Henry said, "Give me liberty or give me death!" and is considered a hero and a patriot. The average Palestinian who has no affiliation with Hamas or Fatah or any other "terrorist group" says the same thing and he is considered wrong and a terrorist.

I honestly think there's a really strong pro-Palestine presence in this country, more than ever. Obviously, the innocent people are always the victims but I'll support Israel over a group of people that are represented by fundamentalists.

Israel responded swiftly Friday to U.N. recognition of a Palestinian state, revealing it will build 3,000 more homes for Jews on Israeli-occupied lands that the world body overwhelmingly said belong to the Palestinians.

The plans also include future construction in a strategic area of the West Bank where critics have long warned that Jewish settlements would kill hopes for a viable Palestinian state.
Israel's moves served as a harsh reminder to Palestinians — euphoric over the U.N. upgrade — that while they now have a state on paper, most of it remains very much under Israeli control.

"This is a doomsday scenario," Daniel Seidemann of Ir Amim, a group that promotes coexistence in Jerusalem, said of the building plans.
Israel's decision was bound to embarrass the United States, which was among just nine countries in the 193-member General Assembly to vote against accepting Palestine as a nonmember observer state.

and people expect the Palestinians to stand back and do nothing while the Israelis continue to encroach on their lands

^^that's just terrible. That's just the last thing anyone needed to happen.

Israel is just something else man, I don't know how they train/brainwash their population, but its damn effective. I've seen some documentaries, its just so unbelievable the things they do. I remember this IDF soldiers shoots an activist in one of those bright reflective orange vests (I BELIEVE that person later died, I'm not sure) on camera, and the camera guy is like yo what the hell. The soldier literally just shrugs his shoulders and says, wasn't me, I didn't do it. Its just absolutely amazing this weird racist mentality that is instilled in (SOME OF) their population.

I also remember they literally go to palestinian neighborhoods and say on a loudspeaker you have 5 minutes to get whatever you want to keep and get out of your house, and 5 min later a bulldozer just comes in and starts bulldozing the houses. Its just insane some of the things they do. Its truly shocking and sickening.

RAIDERS, SHARKS, WARRIORS

"i don't believe in mysteries but still i pray for my sister, when speaking to the higher power that listens, to the lifeless vision of freedom everytime we're imprisoned, to the righteous victims of people of a higher position" - planet asia, old timer thoughts

^^that's just terrible. That's just the last thing anyone needed to happen.

Israel is just something else man, I don't know how they train/brainwash their population, but its damn effective. I've seen some documentaries, its just so unbelievable the things they do. I remember this IDF soldiers shoots an activist in one of those bright reflective orange vests (I BELIEVE that person later died, I'm not sure) on camera, and the camera guy is like yo what the hell. The soldier literally just shrugs his shoulders and says, wasn't me, I didn't do it. Its just absolutely amazing this weird racist mentality that is instilled in (SOME OF) their population.

I also remember they literally go to palestinian neighborhoods and say on a loudspeaker you have 5 minutes to get whatever you want to keep and get out of your house, and 5 min later a bulldozer just comes in and starts bulldozing the houses. Its just insane some of the things they do. Its truly shocking and sickening.

i wouldn't be surprised if the Palestinians retaliate with rocket fire and people are going to blame the Palestinians for the renewed violence.

i wouldn't be surprised if the Palestinians retaliate with rocket fire and people are going to blame the Palestinians for the renewed violence.

Yea, I know what you mean, but its like what else can they do? I don't think a single population on earth would just sit there and accept it. This doesn't mean I'm saying they have 0 responsibility in this situation, but I just don't understand what else people expect them to do. Its a natural reaction. If Israel were to treat ANY group of people the way they treat the Palestinians, they're reaction would be the same. Fight with whatever means you have. I don't see how people don't realize this.

RAIDERS, SHARKS, WARRIORS

"i don't believe in mysteries but still i pray for my sister, when speaking to the higher power that listens, to the lifeless vision of freedom everytime we're imprisoned, to the righteous victims of people of a higher position" - planet asia, old timer thoughts

After reading your posts, out of curiousity, does it bother you that Palestine is attempting to get statehood and become a legitimately recognized nation by everyone? and if so, for what reason? I don't see how this could possibly be a bad thing.

**I ask cuz I seem to get a hostile tone from you toward this situation. I could be mistaken of course

Twitchy is Jewish so this may be a bit more of a sensitive subject for him than the rest of us.