650i SLI boards suck at quad-core overclocking and won't run quad-core yorkfields, just in case you don't know. I recommend cheap and plentiful P35 boards for Intel builds, unless you have some reason for dual video cards.

crazybus wrote:650i SLI boards suck at quad-core overclocking and won't run quad-core yorkfields, just in case you don't know. I recommend cheap and plentiful P35 boards for Intel builds, unless you have some reason for dual video cards.

He said he wants his 4 PATA devices. Personally I would just buy some new SATA drives just because I can go back to Intel chipsets.

The Model M is not for the faint of heart. You either like them or hate them.

i totally don't want to buy the COMPLETELY wrong board just because of the PATA... i mean i could just buy a PCI PATA thing.

So the P35 chipset is a better overclocker and all around chipset than the 650?

I could totally care less about SLI.

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so the yorkfield are the new 45nm core 2s right? Is yorkfield going to be released in cheap versions, I mean should I be looking for a board that supports it. I am all about going price/performance. I'm not looking to spend 1000 bucks on a CPU.

So the Asus P5n will not overclock a q6600 very well???? Why would it overclock that card any worse than an e4300. All I would be doing is raising the FSB as much as possible. The Asus reportably gets to 450.

Gilligan wrote:So the P35 chipset is a better overclocker and all around chipset than the 650?

Especially when it comes to overclocking the quads, yes. It may not have as many blue crystals marchitecture bullet points, but I value Intel chipset's stability over Nvidia's not-so-solid track record.

Gilligan wrote:I could totally care less about SLI.

Good, then you are all set on the P35.

Gilligan wrote:so the yorkfield are the new 45nm core 2s right?

Yup. Yorkfield = quad, Wolfdale = duo, Penryn = mobile (also an umbrella term for the whole family of the 45nm chips).

Gilligan wrote:Is yorkfield going to be released in cheap versions

There is one with only 6MB of total L2 cache supposedly costing the same as today's Q6600. Details here.

Gilligan wrote:I mean should I be looking for a board that supports it.

The VRMs have not changed, so even the 965 can deal with those.

Gilligan wrote:I am all about going price/performance. I'm not looking to spend 1000 bucks on a CPU.

You don't have to, but you may have to wait a bit. The current rumours are putting the Wolfdales on January 20 and the Yorkfields a bit later in the quarter as they are working on an erratum (now that Intel has one, the DAAMIT fanboys are thankfully shutting up, balance has been achieved).

Gilligan wrote:So the Asus P5n will not overclock a q6600 very well???? Why would it overclock that card any worse than an e4300.

They just do apparently (same thing seems to apply to the 650 chipset).

Gilligan wrote:All I would be doing is raising the FSB as much as possible. The Asus reportably gets to 450.

The ongoing conspiracy theory is that Intel did not give Nvidia all the info they need, but then again this is not the first time Nvidia chipsets have trouble forward-supporting CPUs.

In short, stay with Intel chipsets.

The Model M is not for the faint of heart. You either like them or hate them.

Poor quad-core overclocking on nvidia boards, or pretty much anything pre P965 has generally been blamed on issues with the AGTL+ signaling of the fsb. This particularly affects quads because they use the fsb to communicate between the two dies on the package. The TechRepository has a good thread on it. The only nvidia boards I've seen that can overclock quads by any respectable amount are the A1 revision EVGA 680i boards. This has left many boards that can handle well over 400mhz fsb with a dual-core only hitting low 300s with quads. As you can see that makes running a 333mhz default fsb chip a little difficult . I wouldn't be surprised if that's what's keeping them from running the yorkfields as well. I'll take documented facts over a conspiracy theory any day.