It's easy to sit at home with a few bros, some bud and a few frosty one's and second guess the game. I dont recall being under any real threat that would force us into a passing mode. I, like the rest of my Bolt Bro's & Sis's like to see some passing also, but I wouldn't want another pick for a TD either.

We were beating them soundly and if PR had thrown another pick for a TD, y'all would be whining about that. As I have read through this thread, I can believe that two missed field goals and ST penalties and mistakes aren't even brought up. As PR said, if we excecuted the plays we tired we wouldn't even be talking about this.

Marty isn't going anywhere but maybe to bring the Lombardi back to San Diego.

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I'm tired of you Marty defenders bringing up the mistakes by Dielman, Rivers, and Special Teams.

The Ravens had MORE miscues than we did; a killer fumble in the red zone, two picks, and a dropped TD pass, among other things.

That is more than a wash. We lost to an inferior team because Marty's scrotum contracted into his body with a freaking six point lead.

I'm tired of you Marty defenders bringing up the mistakes by Dielman, Rivers, and Special Teams.

The Ravens had MORE miscues than we did; a killer fumble in the red zone, two picks, and a dropped TD pass, among other things.

That is more than a wash. We lost to an inferior team because Marty's scrotum contracted into his body with a freaking six point lead.

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Exactly. I think the reason it seems like Chargers haven't been able to execute in crunch-time has been all about coaching. Marty put us in a position where 1 or 2 mistakes could cost us the game.

Repeat: MARTY put us in the position where only by playing near-flawless football could we win.

Why did the Ravens get away with so many mistakes? Because we weren't making them PAY for their mistakes. And the reason we weren't making them PAY is that we STOPPED attacking!

They knew we'd stopped attacking which made them even MORE aggressive. If you're 100 feet behind in a marathon with a quarter-mile left, and you see the leader ahead of you walking, you're going to run as hard as you can to catch up. But if the leader's ahead of you and still running hard, you're not going to be able to find that well of energy.

The players have to check themselves first before they look for scapegoats.

That is a sign of a champion and not school girls giggling about who has coodies.

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The sign of a championship coach is that he doesn't put the shackles on his players with 30 minutes of football remaining. Marty's a ****, and his lack of confidence carries over to the players. His whole attitude is, "Man, I don't know how we're beating this team, but we better get the hell outta Dodge as soon as possible."

Exactly. I think the reason it seems like Chargers haven't been able to execute in crunch-time has been all about coaching. Marty put us in a position where 1 or 2 mistakes could cost us the game.

Repeat: MARTY put us in the position where only by playing near-flawless football could we win.

Why did the Ravens get away with so many mistakes? Because we weren't making them PAY for their mistakes. And the reason we weren't making them PAY is that we STOPPED attacking!

They knew we'd stopped attacking which made them even MORE aggressive. If you're 100 feet behind in a marathon with a quarter-mile left, and you see the leader ahead of you walking, you're going to run as hard as you can to catch up. But if the leader's ahead of you and still running hard, you're not going to be able to find that well of energy.

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I saw the replay of the game last night and our gameplan was deadnuts sound as hell. The players failed to get it done plain and simple.

There was one bad call I saw offensively and it was to lateral to LT. The rushing game was killing the Ravens. Our series of errors were not caused by the coaches but were caused by the players.

Culpability is not soley the head coaches here and the players need to be held accountable.

When I saw the replay of the missed pass from Rivers to Jackson which would have been a TD on a slant play, I cringed. Sure Mason dropped one and he was wide open as well but at some point the players need to take inventory before the witch hunt begins.

The sign of a championship coach is that he doesn't put the shackles on his players with 30 minutes of football remaining. Marty's a ****, and his lack of confidence carries over to the players. His whole attitude is, "Man, I don't know how we're beating this team, but we better get the hell outta Dodge as soon as possible."

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The Chargers were relentless in the ground formations which nobody cares to admit.

In the third quater, the Ravens had to call a timeout because of our offensive run formations. The reason they called a timeout was because our TE was lined up at tackle. :yes:

On another play, the defense was stimied when Shane Olivea went to a jumbo left side package and we ran for killer yardage. We made their defense looked like buffoons by our motion and alignment packages and it was working well into the second half. The defense was confused.

The fake reverses opened up the backside running lanes all day long. That was the greatest psych job that Cam ran yet no one acknowledges it which let us torch and shread the Number One rush defense to ****.

Oh and Marty did not tell Uncle Wade to rush three on the last play as well where Merriman fails to wrap up.

This one falls squarely on the shoulders of the PLAYERS.

I do not buy this Marty witch hunt which seems to be en vogue now or then.

It is almost like everyone is rushing out to buy bell bottoms because they are back in style.

You know we hope you are right. I would love to eat crow and say what a bunch of dumbasses we all were to not trust in Marty. Every single poster here would love to see Marty win a Super Bowl this season.

I just have about ZERO confidence that it will happen. I can't see Marty changing his ways.

Chargeroo cited that KC playoff game from 1990. We saw this same crap vs. the Jets after the 2004 season. We've seen Marty lose like this too many times, and he will continue to do it. What he thinks is giving us the best chance to win is actually giving us the best chance to lose. Most people see it, and are shocked that he continues to coach like this.

It's not whether it will happen this week vs. the Steelers, or later vs. some other team. It will happen again, and it will either cost SD a playoff berth or get us kicked out of the playoffs.

SD just lost a possible tiebreaker for a playoff spot on a game we should have won. What else will SD lose in the future because of "Marty Ball" ???

The numbers of people who were at the very first SD game in Balboa Stadium are dwindling. I know seven of those fans: Chargeroo, IronMountain, my G'ma, and Aunt and Uncle, and both my parents. The numbers will continue to become smaller. This fan base needs a Super Bowl. They need it to validate the support of those who have hung with this team from Day One, and this team needs a Lombardi to help remain in SD to get a new stadium.

I've never been a big supporter of Marty. I keep trying to like the old bastard, but he makes it hard. Now, he has lost my trust as a fan. I still want to try to like him, and hope that he can get it done, but I can't fathom a reason to believe he has it in him to get the job done and get this franchise a championship.

I don't want a return to Air Coryell. I don't believe 99.99999% of fans are calling for that. They are calling for a coach will a killer instinct to put games out of reach. They are calling for a balanced attack and aggressive/creative playcalling to add to our score. Do not run 3 times to settle for long figgies. Get into the red zone and score TD's.

Marty's *** is puckered so tight he has a chocolate kiss mark on his tighty whities wedgie. Either that or he borrowed my "tool" and performed a self surgery .....

San Diego just lost to a team that has less talent. I'm still pissed off.

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You know, I think I agree with you completely on everything you wrote there. Except the part about being there for the very first game. I'm just not that old.

I'm tired of you Marty defenders bringing up the mistakes by Dielman, Rivers, and Special Teams.

The Ravens had MORE miscues than we did; a killer fumble in the red zone, two picks, and a dropped TD pass, among other things.

That is more than a wash. We lost to an inferior team because Marty's scrotum contracted into his body with a freaking six point lead.

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There were key mistakes at the end by the Chargers. And that definitely led to the loss. But since Marty teams have 20+ years of failing in the clutch, how much of that is attributed to having the coach clench up? His attitude rubs off on the team. Players start to get tight and make mistakes. Instead of playing aggressive, they get passive. Stupid **** starts happening.

Either that or God hates him. How else do you explain 20+ yrs of playoff losses and strange 4th quarter collapses?

There were key mistakes at the end by the Chargers. And that definitely led to the loss. But since Marty teams have 20+ years of failing in the clutch, how much of that is attributed to having the coach clench up? His attitude rubs off on the team. Players start to get tight and make mistakes. Instead of playing aggressive, they get passive. Stupid **** starts happening.

Either that or God hates him. How else do you explain 20+ yrs of playoff losses and strange 4th quarter collapses?

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Marv Levy is a good parallel here.

Dude goes to all those Super Bowl with the Bills and gets worked yet he sucks or is a choke artist or insert whatever diss you want ?

When Marty is screaming "make them bleed" do you think he means pulling an Albert Haynesworth by stomping someones melon ? Its not too early to go to that card is it? :icon_shrug:

The Chargers were relentless in the ground formations which nobody cares to admit.

In the third quater, the Ravens had to call a timeout because of our offensive run formations. The reason they called a timeout was because our TE was lined up at tackle. :yes:

On another play, the defense was stimied when Shane Olivea went to a jumbo left side package and we ran for killer yardage. We made their defense looked like buffoons by our motion and alignment packages and it was working well into the second half. The defense was confused.

The fake reverses opened up the backside running lanes all day long. That was the greatest psych job that Cam ran yet no one acknowledges it which let us torch and shread the Number One rush defense to ****.

Oh and Marty did not tell Uncle Wade to rush three on the last play as well where Merriman fails to wrap up.

This one falls squarely on the shoulders of the PLAYERS.

I do not buy this Marty witch hunt which seems to be en vogue now or then.

It is almost like everyone is rushing out to buy bell bottoms because they are back in style.

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Actually, I'm very happy we were able to run against the Ravens. But it only was effective for so long and then it wasn't effective any more. And you know why. Because the Ravens eventually figured out we ONLY run from those formations.

I was stoked with the fact we started grinding out yards on the ground at the start of the second-half, but 7 straight runs? We need to be able to throw out of those same formations or they're not going to be effective very long. And the success we were having with the rush proves exactly what I've been saying... play-action should be a weapon for us, but a bullet can't kill anyone from inside the clip. You have to pull the trigger--and more than just a couple times on plays with a low-chance of success.

You're also ignoring the concept of a QB getting out of rhythm by going long stretches without throwing the football. ALL great QB's talk about offensive rhythm, and how it's hard to re-start an offense after you've gone into "eat-clock" mode.

And finally, the running game is great when you have a realistic chance of getting a first down with it. But on 1st-and-25 we RUN twice to set up 3rd-and-18? On third and 7 we RUN? On 1st-and-20 we RUN three times and punt?

THAT'S the problem I have with how this game was coached. In the second half we went into "please don't beat us" mode. We gave the Ravens 5 opportunities to take the lead and they finally took advantage of one of them.

Actually, I'm very happy we were able to run against the Ravens. But it only was effective for so long and then it wasn't effective any more. And you know why. Because the Ravens eventually figured out we ONLY run from those formations.

I was stoked with the fact we started grinding out yards on the ground at the start of the second-half, but 7 straight runs? We need to be able to throw out of those same formations or they're not going to be effective very long. And the success we were having with the rush proves exactly what I've been saying... play-action should be a weapon for us, but a bullet can't kill anyone from inside the clip. You have to pull the trigger--and more than just a couple times on plays with a low-chance of success.

You're also ignoring the concept of a QB getting out of rhythm by going long stretches without throwing the football. ALL great QB's talk about offensive rhythm, and how it's hard to re-start an offense after you've gone into "eat-clock" mode.

And finally, the running game is great when you have a realistic chance of getting a first down with it. But on 1st-and-25 we RUN twice to set up 3rd-and-18? On third and 7 we RUN? On 1st-and-20 we RUN three times and punt?

THAT'S the problem I have with how this game was coached. In the second half we went into "please don't beat us" mode. We gave the Ravens 5 opportunities to take the lead and they finally took advantage of one of them.

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The Ravens NEVER stopped us from being effective because we were still moving the ball and getting into situations where we could score and even in the second half. The plan was WORKING so why deviate ? Hindsight is always 20/20 but even reviewing the game later, it was a great game plan which shreaded the number one rushing defense. The fact we dominated the stats further reinforces the game planning was sound. There is no culpability on coaching here.

Cromartie was even inserted in the return game for a 16 yard return and we were in firm control at that point yet no one sees this adjustment being made to get more aggressive ? Nada. Why ?

I saw Cro go in and I am thinking "cool here comes more heat" yet everyone seems to think we just "gave up".

Losing stings and especially losing a game we had dominated and should have won but the facts remain, the players play the game and they were prepared.

Actually, I'm very happy we were able to run against the Ravens. But it only was effective for so long and then it wasn't effective any more. And you know why. Because the Ravens eventually figured out we ONLY run from those formations.

I was stoked with the fact we started grinding out yards on the ground at the start of the second-half, but 7 straight runs? We need to be able to throw out of those same formations or they're not going to be effective very long. And the success we were having with the rush proves exactly what I've been saying... play-action should be a weapon for us, but a bullet can't kill anyone from inside the clip. You have to pull the trigger--and more than just a couple times on plays with a low-chance of success.

You're also ignoring the concept of a QB getting out of rhythm by going long stretches without throwing the football. ALL great QB's talk about offensive rhythm, and how it's hard to re-start an offense after you've gone into "eat-clock" mode.

And finally, the running game is great when you have a realistic chance of getting a first down with it. But on 1st-and-25 we RUN twice to set up 3rd-and-18? On third and 7 we RUN? On 1st-and-20 we RUN three times and punt?

THAT'S the problem I have with how this game was coached. In the second half we went into "please don't beat us" mode. We gave the Ravens 5 opportunities to take the lead and they finally took advantage of one of them.

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Exactly. I loved that we ran on them. You know what running does?

It opens up the passing game for PA. Yes, play-action passing. I think this concept was developed back in the 50's, maybe earlier. I think it has been around for a few years. Maybe we should try that, would be an interesting experiment, and so cutting-edge.

I've never played QB, other than playing with friends. But every time I watch a football game on TV, you hear about a QB getting in a 'rhythm'. I've heard this perhaps 10,000 times over the yrs. This 'rhythm' thing seems to be important. Apparently QB's find it is easier to throw when they don't go through long stretches of not throwing the ball. Who knew?

They did, however, pull the novel concept of not passing when expected. Most teams pass in third and long situations, but they bucked that trend last game. Why do what everyone does, Chargers do their own thing. 3rd and 18, 3rd and 7? RUN.
1st and 10 RUN
2nd and 8 RUN
3rd and 7 .... why stop a good thing, let's run again.

It opens up the passing game for PA. Yes, play-action passing. I think this concept was developed back in the 50's, maybe earlier. I think it has been around for a few years. Maybe we should try that, would be an interesting experiment, and so cutting-edge.

I've never played QB, other than playing with friends. But every time I watch a football game on TV, you hear about a QB getting in a 'rhythm'. I've heard this perhaps 10,000 times over the yrs. This 'rhythm' thing seems to be important. Apparently QB's find it is easier to throw when they don't go through long stretches of not throwing the ball. Who knew?

They did, however, pull the novel concept of not passing when expected. Most teams pass in third and long situations, but they bucked that trend last game. Why do what everyone does, Chargers do their own thing. 3rd and 18, 3rd and 7? RUN.
1st and 10 RUN
2nd and 8 RUN
3rd and 7 .... why stop a good thing, let's run again.

Dude goes to all those Super Bowl with the Bills and gets worked yet he sucks or is a choke artist or insert whatever diss you want ?

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We all know what happened in the Giant game. In fact, I wish Parcells had lost that game, since he basically pulled off the only incident of Martyball ever being successful.

I don't remember what the Redskins did to them, but I'm fairly sure it wasn't pretty.

The Cowboys teams of the early 90's were stacked. That is when they were just coming into their prime, and the salary cap wasn't in effect yet. The Bills were just out talented in that game. In fact, until the Salary cap came into effect, it was only the NFC winning.

As Charger fans, we should be very aware of how strong the NFC was in those days. There is a memory from Jan 28 95 that I think I've suppressed. Either that or I couldn't see clearly through the tears. Whatever.

The Ravens NEVER stopped us from being effective because we were still moving the ball and getting into situations where we could score and even in the second half. The plan was WORKING so why deviate ?

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We had 2 scoring opportunities in the second-half. On the first, we settled for a FG attempt which Nate missed.

The second opportunity we had in the second-half was set up by Donnie's pick. After we got into 1st-and-25, we ran the ball twice. Why no screen? Why no swing to the RB on the flats? We couldn't get more than 7 yards to put PR into a difficult 3rd-and-18?

Dielman gets a penalty to put us in 1st-and-20. What do we do? Run THREE STRAIGHT TIMES and punt??? What kind of wuzzy playcalling is that?

We moved the ball on the very first drive until we got into range where we could threated the red-zone, and then the Ravens stopped us. Would've been nice to see a couple passes once we crossed mid-field, especially since we'd picked up good yards on 5 straight runs.

Hindsight is always 20/20 but even reviewing the game later, it was a great game plan which shreaded the number one rushing defense. The fact we dominated the stats further reinforces the game planning was sound. There is no culpability on coaching here.

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The fact that we dominated the stats means nothing without the "W." What kind of logic is that Trumpy? We rushed for a 150 yards so we shouldn't be ticked with the loss? We only threw for 105 yards while the game was still within reach, and that's pathetic.

The game-planning was sound, but the game-management was crap. Why do you stop doing what's working? We built our lead in the first half by being balanced. We stopped being balanced and scored 0 points thereafter.

Cromartie was even inserted in the return game for a 16 yard return and we were in firm control at that point yet no one sees this adjustment being made to get more aggressive ? Nada. Why ?

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Who cares? He looked like crap on that return. And no, we weren't in firm control at that point. We were down by 3 with about 39 seconds remaining, and the crap field-position his return gave us hampered any real chance we had to move into scoring position with no timeouts.

I saw Cro go in and I am thinking "cool here comes more heat" yet everyone seems to think we just "gave up".

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Why do you assume Cro's a great kick-returner? And, amazingly, we got aggressive again AFTER we gave up the lead.

Losing stings and especially losing a game we had dominated and should have won but the facts remain, the players play the game and they were prepared.

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The coaches also coach the game, and they made the decision to try to nurse the team across the finish line.

We all know what happened in the Giant game. In fact, I wish Parcells had lost that game, since he basically pulled off the only incident of Martyball ever being successful.

I don't remember what the Redskins did to them, but I'm fairly sure it wasn't pretty.

The Cowboys teams of the early 90's were stacked. That is when they were just coming into their prime, and the salary cap wasn't in effect yet. The Bills were just out talented in that game. In fact, until the Salary cap came into effect, it was only the NFC winning.

As Charger fans, we should be very aware of how strong the NFC was in those days. There is a memory from Jan 28 95 that I think I've suppressed. Either that or I couldn't see clearly through the tears. Whatever.

To bring up those Bills teams isn't really fair.

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Granted the Collective Bargaining Agreement or the CBA changed the landscape of the NFL but do you really think Scott Norwood (the Bills kicker who missed the winning SB FG) will hide behind the CBA as an excuse as well as Marv Levy ? Please. It is a fair analogy.

This is not comparing the passing game to yester-year when stick'em was allowed or forearm shivers. Those comparisons lose perspective due to rule changes.

I do not feel it is a stretch to make this comparison regardless of era.

And if you accomplish both those things and STILL lose, you have to ask yourself how we are somehow bukcing the trend. And then you remember the axiom: "You have to be able to throw in the modern NFL." You know who said that, right?

We had 2 scoring opportunities in the second-half. On the first, we settled for a FG attempt which Nate missed.

The second opportunity we had in the second-half was set up by Donnie's pick. After we got into 1st-and-25, we ran the ball twice. Why no screen? Why no swing to the RB on the flats? We couldn't get more than 7 yards to put PR into a difficult 3rd-and-18?

Dielman gets a penalty to put us in 1st-and-20. What do we do? Run THREE STRAIGHT TIMES and punt??? What kind of wuzzy playcalling is that?

We moved the ball on the very first drive until we got into range where we could threated the red-zone, and then the Ravens stopped us. Would've been nice to see a couple passes once we crossed mid-field, especially since we'd picked up good yards on 5 straight runs.

The fact that we dominated the stats means nothing without the "W." What kind of logic is that Trumpy? We rushed for a 150 yards so we shouldn't be ticked with the loss? We only threw for 105 yards while the game was still within reach, and that's pathetic.

The game-planning was sound, but the game-management was crap. Why do you stop doing what's working? We built our lead in the first half by being balanced. We stopped being balanced and scored 0 points thereafter.

Who cares? He looked like crap on that return. And no, we weren't in firm control at that point. We were down by 3 with about 39 seconds remaining, and the crap field-position his return gave us hampered any real chance we had to move into scoring position with no timeouts.

Why do you assume Cro's a great kick-returner? And, amazingly, we got aggressive again AFTER we gave up the lead.

The coaches also coach the game, and they made the decision to try to nurse the team across the finish line.

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In all of this rant I see no accountability to the players. None. Zero. Nada.

The stats showed we dominated yet you refuse to acknowledge it was the mistakes caused by the players which lost the game.

The only solution is for this team to score 40+ point to make you and everyone happy it would seem and guess what, it does not always happens.

.........Nor does the fact we run no-huddle for an entire game or 50/50 football games.

This also means teams will need to learn to close out the close games and if they do not learn to do it while dominating the stats, then a huevo check of the players is in order and not the coaching.

If the team was accused of appearing unprepared, then that is a different ball game yet no one has mentioned this fact.

I see serious discrepancies in most theories presented. They have zero basis for the most part.

You know we hope you are right. I would love to eat crow and say what a bunch of dumbasses we all were to not trust in Marty. Every single poster here would love to see Marty win a Super Bowl this season.

I've never been a big supporter of Marty. I keep trying to like the old bastard, but he makes it hard. Now, he has lost my trust as a fan. I still want to try to like him, and hope that he can get it done, but I can't fathom a reason to believe he has it in him to get the job done and get this franchise a championship.

Marty's *** is puckered so tight he has a chocolate kiss mark on his tighty whities wedgie. Either that or he borrowed my "tool" and performed a self surgery .....

San Diego just lost to a team that has less talent. I'm still pissed off.

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I just wanted to quote Shamrock again. I think he hits it all right on the head.

We all want Marty to be successful. We all would love to be wrong about 'Martyball'. We'd all love to see him finally get that Superbowl ring. I think we all have a vested interest in this.

The problem is, most of us don't have confidence in him to make the requisite gameplan adjustments to allow this to happen. This is why we're frustrated.

If you have faith in him, and you think this style will work, then I hope you're right. We all hope you're right. But those of us that have been paying attention just don't see any evidence of this ever happening.