Most of Kelly’s interview with Biden was surprisingly sweet. The former vice president spoke about his upcoming book, teared up at the mention of his late son, complimented Melania Trump, and gave some thoughtful insights about the direction of America and the Democratic party. Kelly’s show and the later Today Show even left time for Biden to answer a few audience questions. However, once Hillary Clinton‘s name came up, the interview went a bit south.

The daytime host started her segment about Biden’s potential political aspirations by running down a checklist of every reason why he shouldn’t be president. He agreed with all of her criticisms — that he was too old and should only serve for one term — save for the allegation that rustbelt workers love Donald Trump more than Biden. “I understand the rustbelt. Donald Trump has no notion of what those people are going through,” he said. “It’s not a criticism. It’s an observation.” So yeah. Things started off on a tense note.

After some more talk about how much Biden understands middle class America, Kelly said “Hillary Clinton has been criticized for not having a clear message on that. I wanna ask you though because — ”

Biden was quick to interrupt her, saying, “I think she had a clear message, she didn’t get a chance to give the message because what happened was, it was all about — ”

The whole interaction was a bit odd, largely because it’s difficult to tell what the two were really arguing about. It sounded like less of a rational discussion between two people and more like what happens when two people with opposite political beliefs are forced to talk to each other. Which, come to think of it, is exactly what happened. Anyway, if you want to see two media celebrities temporarily get mad at each other for no discernible reason, here you go.