At this point the Atari Jaguar sounds better then the Xbox One. Your friend is going to feel awfully silly if MS decides to get out of the business and shut there network down. Then that Xbox One will be nothing but a useless hunk of scrap sitting in a corner. I can't believe they thought that was a good idea.

Which makes it all the worse. They thought Sony was being greedy so they decided lets follow suit and be even greedier. Never mind you'd be screwing over the consumer who helped support your damn company. Even if MS were to scrap the Xbox One and came out with something that didn't blow ass I wouldn't buy it. As soon as MS stops making games for the 360 I'm done with them.

If Sony had done the same thing I guarantee you that Nintendo would have won the console wars.

Yeah, MS is extremely greedy and always have been.

It's not a huge loss to me as pretty much all they ever really had was shooters/racers, the two least interesting genres in the world and outside of a handful of games like Alan Wake/Lost Odyssey, there's nothing exclusive on the 360 that I like.

Point being, it isn't a loss for me regardless because honestly the last few years MS has turned into the place you go to get exclusive DLC on shooters and where you can talk to your TV. Sony and Nintendo is where all the quality games are at and it has been so for a few years now.

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I doubt Nintendo would have won.. Even latest news wiiu sales numbers were crap. Not that I think it's bad, but it just wasn't overly impressive sales wise.

Nintendo just doesn't have the same games that come to PS and Xbox with the same quality.

I would say that Nintendo has better quality games than both MS and Sony. It's just a lot of people struggle to sit down and enjoy games for the sake of gameplay/fun anymore, if it isn't a competitive shooter or full of zombies, it's "kiddie". Pikmin 3 for example is going to have more strategy/gameplay than literally any Sony/MS game shown off at E3 this year. I would argue that Fire Emblem on the 3DS is the best strategy game ever made on any console and is better than most PC strategy games. I'd also say outside of FF15, X for the Wii U was the single best looking (interesting, fun, not graphically) game shown at E3, but it got such little recognition by the media because everyone was hyped over the 20 second Halo 5 trailer that had 0 gameplay, because it's a popular shooter.

nintendo certainly makes better quality games than the competitors and only now in the next few months they are getting serious with wii u releases. Though they could have done a lot better on the virtual console side of things so far.

I have been robbing Microsoft and developers blind for years with JTAG consoles and legitimately haven't bought a game since NBA 2k11 so I can tell you first hand that piracy is the main reason for them doing this.

I'm sure they could've found a way to be unmodifiable like the PS3 is without screwing over the masses that don't sail the seven seas of the internet. They are trying to block out the pirates but instead are blocking themselves from receiving the profit margins that they desire.

I have been robbing Microsoft and developers blind for years with JTAG consoles and legitimately haven't bought a game since NBA 2k11 so I can tell you first hand that piracy is the main reason for them doing this.

I'm sure they could've found a way to be unmodifiable like the PS3 is without screwing over the masses that don't sail the seven seas of the internet. They are trying to block out the pirates but instead are blocking themselves from receiving the profit margins that they desire.

You are correct.

A lot of the people who pirate/buy used games do it to games they had no intention of buying in the first place. A lot of these publishers aren't "losing" nearly as much money as they think they are. Every single pirated/used game doesn't = one less bought game, it doesn't work like that.

I've bought say 20 used games this gen (it's been more, just throwing a number for example), and all of those 20 used games I would have never bought had they not been used/cheap. They didn't lose 20 $60 price tag game sales from me, they got exactly what they would have had I couldn't buy those games cheap/used - 0$.

If developers want more people to buy their games, then cut back on their damn development costs, reduce the textures, create damn good GAMEPLAY AND STORY experiences, and with the savings of not needing all those high end graphics cut that price tag on new games by $20 and let me buy a new game at $40.

Not that I'm anti-good graphics, I just would much rather have cheaper games with lower quality graphics and I'd buy many more games new from the company rather than bargain bin at some random retailer if they would lower the cost of new games (and thus lower graphics to compensate for it).