Esc7:eeyore102: Thing is, there was a lot of stuff that happened during the timeline of "The Hobbit" that didn't really make it into the book...largely involving Gandalf. Big stuff, like convening the White Council and assaulting the Necromancer (a.k.a. Sauron) in his fortress at Dol Guldur. IMO this is *not* extra and unnecessary stuff if you are framing this story in the larger "Lord of the Rings" context. Putting this material into the movies will help it fit in with the events that take place fifty years later.

Why is that necessary?

Really, why do we need to see all those things? Does it make it a better story?

The Hobbit, if you'll remember, had none of that stuff because the book wasn't written to care about that stuff. The story focused on Bilbo's journey, not on some greater narrative that competes for attention and ultimately is unresolved.

Just because we can jam in a bunch of extraneous stuff doesn't mean we should. And the argument that "it happened" during the Hobbit so we have to show it is ridiculous. These are books, not a real universe. JRR Tolkien decided most of this extra stuff well after the Hobbit was written, this stuff isn't vital to the narrative.

Yeah, yeah, but your scientists writers were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn't stop to think if they should

eeyore102:Skyrmion: eeyore102: Yeah that bit was pretty dumb. Legolas is a decent enough fighter in the books, but that was way over the top. I was also kind of sad they made Frodo kind of wimpy in the movies -- in the books, he could be fierce in a pinch, proving that Hobbits could do the unexpected.

Frodo? He was pretty passive in the book. He got stabbed, grabbed, and bitten a lot, but that was about it.

Not at all.

On Weathertop he stabbed at one of the Nazgul, but only got its robe.

He actually rode to the Ford of Bruinen on his own and tried to defy the Nazgul who commanded him to surrender.

He stabbed a cave troll in the foot with Sting.

He ruined some guy's clothes, rode a horse, almost didn't do what some guy told him to do, and poked a thing in the foot.

eeyore102:Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: eeyore102: Thing is, there was a lot of stuff that happened during the timeline of "The Hobbit" that didn't really make it into the book...largely involving Gandalf. Big stuff, like convening the White Council and assaulting the Necromancer (a.k.a. Sauron) in his fortress at Dol Guldur. IMO this is *not* extra and unnecessary stuff if you are framing this story in the larger "Lord of the Rings" context. Putting this material into the movies will help it fit in with the events that take place fifty years later.

That's not what people are complaining about for the most part. That's alluded to enough in the Hobbit that most people familiar with the book will understand. It's the romance with an elf character that Jackson made up, and the changing of a lot of other scenes, that is pissing people off. The barrel ride turning from a clever escape into just a fight sequence? Thranduil offering to help the dwarfs? That's so far off from what happens in the book that it makes me wonder if Jackson ever read it to begin with.

Smaug sounds cool, but there's been a few leaks about his appearance and it doesn't match the JRR Tolkien illustrations and that disappoints me. Freeman is good with doing a lot with shiat, but nothing can really help this stench. I'll probably rent it, but there's no way I'm sitting in a theater for three hours for a Jackson movie ever again.

I assume Peter Jackson is throwing in the stuff with Tauriel so he can have a token female warrior. I'm not thrilled with it but I guess it could be worse.

I'm going to hold my criticism on stuff like Thranduil offering to help the dwarfs until I see the film. It could be that it's not as it seems from the trailer, who knows.

Tauriel & Legolas romance reminds me so much of a fan fiction I wrote at 13, it's slightly creepy.

Red-headed, badass Elf warrior princess who falls in love with the handsome Legolas, the only difference was her name, Elenwen, or star maiden. It's like Peter Jackson peered into my lonely, dorky 13-year old heart.

Thankfully this was pre-internet and never made it onto the web, I threw that notebook out years ago.

/I had a crush on Legolas before the movies biatches//Even my childish fan fiction mary-sue character was better than Twilight

eeyore102:Dalek Caan's doomed mistress: eeyore102: Thing is, there was a lot of stuff that happened during the timeline of "The Hobbit" that didn't really make it into the book...largely involving Gandalf. Big stuff, like convening the White Council and assaulting the Necromancer (a.k.a. Sauron) in his fortress at Dol Guldur. IMO this is *not* extra and unnecessary stuff if you are framing this story in the larger "Lord of the Rings" context. Putting this material into the movies will help it fit in with the events that take place fifty years later.

That's not what people are complaining about for the most part. That's alluded to enough in the Hobbit that most people familiar with the book will understand. It's the romance with an elf character that Jackson made up, and the changing of a lot of other scenes, that is pissing people off. The barrel ride turning from a clever escape into just a fight sequence? Thranduil offering to help the dwarfs? That's so far off from what happens in the book that it makes me wonder if Jackson ever read it to begin with.

Smaug sounds cool, but there's been a few leaks about his appearance and it doesn't match the JRR Tolkien illustrations and that disappoints me. Freeman is good with doing a lot with shiat, but nothing can really help this stench. I'll probably rent it, but there's no way I'm sitting in a theater for three hours for a Jackson movie ever again.

I assume Peter Jackson is throwing in the stuff with Tauriel so he can have a token female warrior. I'm not thrilled with it but I guess it could be worse.

I'm going to hold my criticism on stuff like Thranduil offering to help the dwarfs until I see the film. It could be that it's not as it seems from the trailer, who knows.