FTFA : "Wasp spray goes 20 feet and you can really direct it at somebody and it really brings them down," said Christensen. "Mace you have to be a little closer and someone could actually get the mace and put it on you," she said.

This headline is a bit misleading. The idea that women are being faced with this dilemma is a manufactured idea by gun lobbyists. And it completely ignores the fact that using a gun to prevent rape will land her in jail.

TheOmni:This headline is a bit misleading. The idea that women are being faced with this dilemma is a manufactured idea by gun lobbyists. And it completely ignores the fact that using a gun to prevent rape will land her in jail.

TheOmni:This headline is a bit misleading. The idea that women are being faced with this dilemma is a manufactured idea by gun lobbyists.

Well, true.

TheOmni:And it completely ignores the fact that using a gun to prevent rape will land her in jail.

Well, false. In every state that has laws allowing the use of concealed firearms in self defense, the fear of impending rape during a physical attack is justification to use lethal force by a CCW holder.

Of course, you better hope that the forensics hold up on that. They CAN tell when you've been faking things.

doglover:TheOmni: This headline is a bit misleading. The idea that women are being faced with this dilemma is a manufactured idea by gun lobbyists. And it completely ignores the fact that using a gun to prevent rape will land her in jail.

No it won't. Not for long, anyway.

Because rape victims are always believed?

BronyMedic:Well, false. In every state that has laws allowing the use of concealed firearms in self defense, the fear of impending rape during a physical attack is justification to use lethal force by a CCW holder.Of course, you better hope that the forensics hold up on that. They CAN tell when you've been faking things.

Already subtly trying to bring up the concept of false rape accusations. Rape victims are frequently not believed, accused of making it up, or otherwise blamed. This will not change that fact.

TheOmni:BronyMedic: Well, false. In every state that has laws allowing the use of concealed firearms in self defense, the fear of impending rape during a physical attack is justification to use lethal force by a CCW holder.Of course, you better hope that the forensics hold up on that. They CAN tell when you've been faking things.

Already subtly trying to bring up the concept of false rape accusations. Rape victims are frequently not believed, accused of making it up, or otherwise blamed. This will not change that fact.

Well, just get an abortion before you file the police report. Being pregnant is a dead giveaway that it wasn't a legitimate rape.

TheOmni:Already subtly trying to bring up the concept of false rape accusations. Rape victims are frequently not believed, accused of making it up, or otherwise blamed. This will not change that fact.

If I had wanted to go into a discussion about false rape accusations, I would have done so. Instead, you decided to run with something blatantly offensive and never said at all because you were shown to be wrong about your statement. A statement that has just as much propaganda as the previous one you decried.

The Point: Person A shoots an attacker who is attempting to rape her. Person B shoots someone she invited into her home, with no signs of defensive wounds, a struggle, or any violence to her person. Person A has a clear case for the use of stand your ground/self-defense. Person B has a lot HARDER case than Person A.

TheOmni:doglover: TheOmni: This headline is a bit misleading. The idea that women are being faced with this dilemma is a manufactured idea by gun lobbyists. And it completely ignores the fact that using a gun to prevent rape will land her in jail.

No it won't. Not for long, anyway.

Because rape victims are always believed?

BronyMedic: Well, false. In every state that has laws allowing the use of concealed firearms in self defense, the fear of impending rape during a physical attack is justification to use lethal force by a CCW holder.Of course, you better hope that the forensics hold up on that. They CAN tell when you've been faking things.

Already subtly trying to bring up the concept of false rape accusations. Rape victims are frequently not believed, accused of making it up, or otherwise blamed. This will not change that fact.

Rape victims are only doubted because of people who make dubious rape claims. Like that Duke scandal.

Killing your attacker, or at least attempting to do so earnestly, adds a hundredweight of credibility to any claims you may have. It might even save your life.

BronyMedic:TheOmni: Already subtly trying to bring up the concept of false rape accusations. Rape victims are frequently not believed, accused of making it up, or otherwise blamed. This will not change that fact.

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If I had wanted to go into a discussion about false rape accusations, I would have done so. Instead, you decided to run with something blatantly offensive and never said at all because you were shown to be wrong about your statement. A statement that has just as much propaganda as the previous one you decried.

The Point: Person A shoots an attacker who is attempting to rape her. Person B shoots someone she invited into her home, with no signs of defensive wounds, a struggle, or any violence to her person. Person A has a clear case for the use of stand your ground/self-defense. Person B has a lot HARDER case than Person A.

This does not take a genius to figure out.

You're still doing it. Using the fact that she invited the person into her home or didn't struggle hard enough to leave marks as evidence that it wasn't a rape. Most rapes aren't stranger leaping from bushes. They are dates and people the victim knows. Afterwards the rapist declares it was consensual, people don't believe her because it was someone she knew, invited up for coffee, didn't struggle enough to be believed. If the would be rapist ends up shot that will not help her be believed.

The idea that guns are any sort of a solution or help to the issue of rape depends on a complete and deliberate misunderstanding of actual rape and rape culture.

TheOmni:You're still doing it. Using the fact that she invited the person into her home or didn't struggle hard enough to leave marks as evidence that it wasn't a rape. Most rapes aren't stranger leaping from bushes. They are dates and people the victim knows. Afterwards the rapist declares it was consensual, people don't believe her because it was someone she knew, invited up for coffee, didn't struggle enough to be believed. If the would be rapist ends up shot that will not help her be believed.

Please don't lecture me on rape culture. I've spoken enough about it, and about how rape is glorified by many posters on FARK through several threads that the fact you seem to think because I point out that "I shot him because he attacked me" is a common claim made by people in shootings means I'm some sort of Anti-feminist Mens Rights Activist is laughable.

I didn't even mention rape. I mentioned the use of a firearm. A woman who says she was being raped will ALWAYS have an uphill legal battle in the climate of the US Justice System if the forensic evidence or eyewitness statements do NOT back up her story in the use of lethal force against her attacker. That was the original point, and the point you seem to continue to miss.

At any rate, if you're going to carry a firearm, be sure you shoot to kill. Scumbags can't claim they're being framed for rape if they have a bullet in their cranium.

TheOmni:The idea that guns are any sort of a solution or help to the issue of rape depends on a complete and deliberate misunderstanding of actual rape and rape culture.

Rape is about power, control, and violence. Sexual gratification plays a small part in the pathology that predators, both men and women, exhibit when they target others. Seems to me that empowering a woman, or man, to defend themselves against their rapist would be a pretty good solution.

Especially given the fact that most people who rape are NOT on their first victim, OR going to stop with one, and removing them from the equation by lead poisoning protects more down the road.

TheOmni:This headline is a bit misleading. The idea that women are being faced with this dilemma is a manufactured idea by gun lobbyists. And it completely ignores the fact that using a gun to prevent rape will land her in jail.

Tigger:TheOmni: This headline is a bit misleading. The idea that women are being faced with this dilemma is a manufactured idea by gun lobbyists. And it completely ignores the fact that using a gun to prevent rape will land her in jail.

jaylectricity:Tigger: TheOmni: This headline is a bit misleading. The idea that women are being faced with this dilemma is a manufactured idea by gun lobbyists. And it completely ignores the fact that using a gun to prevent rape will land her in jail.

jaylectricity:BronyMedic: jaylectricity: How do you know what motivates rapists so well?

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Why do you think he wanted them, along with the Methodists?

I appreciate your humor, and in no way was I actually claiming you were a rapist, but the minute that one-liner came to mind it made me think...

Who is it that's telling us what rape is really about?

Mostly criminal psychologists.

If it's just sex, prostitutes are everywhere. But after years of interviews with felons who do and don't rape, the consensus is that it's more about domination than just a sexual thing. That theme comes up again and again, I'm told.

Personally, I think rapists just long for the gift of flight. Right out of a catapult on top of a skyscraper.

Tigger:jaylectricity: Tigger: TheOmni: This headline is a bit misleading. The idea that women are being faced with this dilemma is a manufactured idea by gun lobbyists. And it completely ignores the fact that using a gun to prevent rape will land her in jail.

TheOmni:BronyMedic: TheOmni: Already subtly trying to bring up the concept of false rape accusations. Rape victims are frequently not believed, accused of making it up, or otherwise blamed. This will not change that fact.

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If I had wanted to go into a discussion about false rape accusations, I would have done so. Instead, you decided to run with something blatantly offensive and never said at all because you were shown to be wrong about your statement. A statement that has just as much propaganda as the previous one you decried.

The Point: Person A shoots an attacker who is attempting to rape her. Person B shoots someone she invited into her home, with no signs of defensive wounds, a struggle, or any violence to her person. Person A has a clear case for the use of stand your ground/self-defense. Person B has a lot HARDER case than Person A.

This does not take a genius to figure out.

You're still doing it. Using the fact that she invited the person into her home or didn't struggle hard enough to leave marks as evidence that it wasn't a rape. Most rapes aren't stranger leaping from bushes. They are dates and people the victim knows. Afterwards the rapist declares it was consensual, people don't believe her because it was someone she knew, invited up for coffee, didn't struggle enough to be believed. If the would be rapist ends up shot that will not help her be believed.

The idea that guns are any sort of a solution or help to the issue of rape depends on a complete and deliberate misunderstanding of actual rape and rape culture.