current cap is to low. We should allow between 30 and 50 ooo per annum

The Refugee Council of Australia (RCOA) recommend 30,000/annum. I idealise 50,000 though.

What number is economically viable/sustainable? That is the basic point. Forget the Utopian 'idealising' and deal with fundamental reality.

The cost of stopping the boats has been calculated at more than $9.6 billion since 2013, and will be another $5.7 billion over the next four years, according to a study by Save the Children and UNICEF.

The study estimates the cost of keeping around 2000 asylum seekers and refugees on Manus Island and Nauru at $400,000 per person, compared with just $33,000 for those on bridging visas in the Australian community.

Aussie wrote:How? How many Australians are out of employment? What are these 50,000 gonna live in, and on?

maybe we can employ them, and the unemployed aussies already here, to build the infrastructure that we so desperately need . The unemployment rate is high because govco has sold us out to private interests.

FD.I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

Aussie wrote:How? How many Australians are out of employment? What are these 50,000 gonna live in, and on?

maybe we can employ them, and the unemployed aussies already here, the build the infrastructure that we so desperately need . The unemployment rate is high because govco has sold us out to private interests.

And while we're at it, we can afford to raise the dole and help the homeless.

Aussie wrote:How? How many Australians are out of employment? What are these 50,000 gonna live in, and on?

maybe we can employ them, and the unemployed aussies already here, the build the infrastructure that we so desperately need . The unemployment rate is high because govco has sold us out to private interests.

Where is the money coming from? We are in huge debt. Every cent Govt currently pays out is borrowed money, on the credit card.

That has to be fixed. I suspect that only a resources boom will get us out of this mess.

Not at all. That is your strawman. Humane is fine, reality comes at a cost. For example, I'd love to save all the "pooches" on death row around the World, but that would not only populate the World with too many pooches, it is also totally never gonna happen.

Did you read what Wilkie said? What the UN have been up to?

I've only just posted the links.

Dunno what the UN have been up to. Not my problem. We are discussing this here, not in the UN.

There is no solution, other than....remove the reason these people are leaving Home.

Yes. There is. Humane, facilitated refugee camps in regional locations which are sponsored by the world's wealthier nations. We cut people smugglers off at the root by providing safe transport for these people ourselves.

All off-shore detainees to be flown to Australia immediately and reunited with their families.

So, you basically want to do the job of the people smugglers themselves by providing a taxi service to Australia? Do you think that is likely to be an incentive or disincentive for people smuggling?

There is no solution, other than....remove the reason these people are leaving Home.

Yes. There is. Humane, facilitated refugee camps in regional locations which are sponsored by the world's wealthier nations. We cut people smugglers off at the root by providing safe transport for these people ourselves.

All off-shore detainees to be flown to Australia immediately and reunited with their families.

So, you basically want to do the job of the people smugglers themselves by providing a taxi service to Australia? Do you think that is likely to be an incentive or disincentive for people smuggling?

why would anyone get on a leaky boat when they can be flown over is relative safety?

FD.I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

mothra wrote:And absolutely nobody has said, ever, that migration should be uncapped.

So, at some point then, we are going to be inhumane, aren’t we? Once the 50,000 is reached then, all the rest stay in processing centres until we can release them the following the year.

By the way, the majority of refugees are processed on shore. The offshore centres are for unlawful entry, in order to deter people coming to Australia illegally.

There are no illegal ASs. It is not illegal to cross a border to seek asylum—we DID sign the UN Refugee Charter. So you can call crossing the sea border irregular arrival but NOT illegal arrival. The stinking Libs always call them illegals but that is NOT what they are! Please remember that.