It kinda sorta works like this Scotty: Israel operates Gaza like an open-air prison. They control all materials and people moving in and out. The Palestinians, having had their land taken away and continually considered inmates and lesser human beings by the Jewish population, respond how any sensible population would: fighting to take their land back and remove Israel from it. This is usually done by Hamas through rocket attacks. Israel sees this as an act of war and responds accordingly.

Of course mainstream political discussions in America operate based on this: Israel operates Gaza. The Palestinians respond by fighting and try to remove Israel from it. This is usually done by Hamas through rocket attacks. Israel sees this as an act of war and responds accordingly.

Because if anyone in Congress dares point out the rest of the facts, the Israel lobby will ensure they don't see the light of day come the following election.

But this is all unimportant, because the very nature of the formation of Israel (through land forcibly taken from the Palestinians) makes the existence of Israel invalid. The belief that the Jews are a chosen people that deserve that specific land (Zionism) is an invalid belief as well. Heck, the Zionists even turned down offers to form their nation in Kenya or Uganda because apparently that land wasn't good enough for them.

Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.

Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.

Voters for Obama and Romney, please submit your written apologies for your acceptance of worse-than-apartheid conditions in Palestine below.

A good post by GP. As I read the article, in response to a resistance attack that killed 0, Israel killed 5 non-combatants. IIRC, didn't the Nazis kill 10 civilians for every SS trooper that was killed by resistance fighters?

I'm not good at math so I don't know how to represent 0-5 vs. 1-10. Either Israel is only 50% as bad as the Nazis, or is 100% as bad as the Nazis, I think?

GreecePwns wrote:It kinda sorta works like this Scotty: Israel operates Gaza like an open-air prison. They control all materials and people moving in and out. The Palestinians, having had their land taken away and continually considered inmates and lesser human beings by the Jewish population, respond how any sensible population would: fighting to take their land back and remove Israel from it. This is usually done by Hamas through rocket attacks. Israel sees this as an act of war and responds accordingly.

Of course mainstream political discussions in America operate based on this: Israel operates Gaza. The Palestinians respond by fighting and try to remove Israel from it. This is usually done by Hamas through rocket attacks. Israel sees this as an act of war and responds accordingly.

Because if anyone in Congress dares point out the rest of the facts, the Israel lobby will ensure they don't see the light of day come the following election.

But this is all unimportant, because the very nature of the formation of Israel (through land forcibly taken from the Palestinians) makes the existence of Israel invalid. The belief that the Jews are a chosen people that deserve that specific land (Zionism) is an invalid belief as well. Heck, the Zionists even turned down offers to form their nation in Kenya or Uganda because apparently that land wasn't good enough for them.

Why and how is the Isreal lobby so in control of our election results?

Let's start with the fact that 99% of Congress is already Zionist, some vehemently so.

The Israel lobby includes the Jewish population in America, the entirety of the neo-conservative movement, Evangelical Christians, etc. etc. In other words, a group so awash with cash that they can easily influence any election they want to.

And let's say the token anti-Zionist is elected, will their opinions ever be heard when its 537 vs. 1?

Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.

Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.

Israel used a precision strike to take out the military leader of Hamas. Hamas responded by indiscriminately launching rockets into civilian neighborhoods (as they have done thousands of times before). Let's quit acting like these two groups of people are morally equivalent because they clearly are not!

Night Strike wrote:Israel used a precision strike to take out the military leader of Hamas. Hamas responded by indiscriminately launching rockets into civilian neighborhoods (as they have done thousands of times before). Let's quit acting like these two groups of people are morally equivalent because they clearly are not!

Of course they aren't, no one's pretending. The Palestinians are not the ones who took away Israeli land through the use of brute force.

The Israeli civilians, by their enthusiastic support of penning Arabs into a prison, their participation in the violent seizing of Palestinian land and their racist ravings of "demographic threats" - literally the fear of a growing Palestinian population - (which has led the IDF to destroy schools and basic infrastructure) are morally beneath Palestinians, who fight back in response to their land being taken away.

The stop just short outright slaughtering the Palestinians in order to not be condemned by the international community elite (namely the US), whose quite acceptance they depend on for their very salvation as a state just as apartheid South Africa did.

Israel's operates espionage targeting the US more frequently than any other country, and Israel has a history of killing American civilians. How many times has Hamas done either of these? How about Fatah or the rest of the PLO? Zero. And you want to call Israel our greatest ally?

They certainly aren't morally equivalent.

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Chariot of Fire wrote:As for GreecePwns.....yeah, what? A massive debt. Get a job you slacker.

Viceroy wrote:[The Biblical creation story] was written in a time when there was no way to confirm this fact and is in fact a statement of the facts.

Night Strike wrote:Israel used a precision strike to take out the military leader of Hamas. Hamas responded by indiscriminately launching rockets into civilian neighborhoods (as they have done thousands of times before). Let's quit acting like these two groups of people are morally equivalent because they clearly are not!

Of course they aren't, no one's pretending. The Palestinians are not the ones who took away Israeli land through the use of brute force.

The Israeli civilians, by their enthusiastic support of penning Arabs into a prison, their participation in the violent seizing of Palestinian land and their racist ravings of "demographic threats" (which has led the IDF to destroy schools and basic infrastructure) are morally beneath Palestinians, who fight back in response to their land being taken away.

They certainly aren't morally equivalent.

+10,000 SxB

I always find it amazing that patriotic Americans are content with their country being relegated to nothing more than the obedient, barking dog of a tiny desert nation. Israel would throw the U.S. into a wood chipper without a second thought if they thought it would benefit them; but the U.S. is willing to lay in the middle of traffic for Israel --->

It is a sad but proven fact that the Israeli government also has obtained secret U.S. military technology which Israel has sold to other countries. For example, after the U.S. sent Patriot missile defense batteries on an emergency basis to help defend Israel during the Gulf War, the Israelis seem to have sold the Patriot missile technology to China, according to the U.S. State Department’s inspector general. As a result, the U.S. has been forced to develop a whole new generation of missile technology able to penetrate the defenses China has developed as a result of the Israeli treachery.

November 10 (later) - Israeli terrorists retaliate by launching an artillery barrage that kills four people at a youth soccer game and one Palestinian soldier

November 11 - Palestinian self-defense forces respond by firing 100 rockets at Israel (due to the U.S. sponsored arms ban on Gaza, Palestinian rockets do not have sophisticated guidance systems and aren't able to target Israeli terrorist training camps with pinpoint accuracy so some fall astray)

November 14 - Israel launches a terror attack against Palestinian government leaders, killing the Minister of Defense and a dozen bystanders

Palestinian militants fired 250 rockets into Israel killing three civilians and injuring over thirty. In response the IDF attacked Palestinian militants killing 11 militants, four civilians were killed in collateral damage. The hostilities marked the first time that rockets were launched from Gaza toward the Tel Aviv metropolitan area, Israel's largest.

Bedub, imagine you're 450 rounds into a game, you have 6 times the troops and all the bonuses and then 6 rounds later your opponent has 3 times the troops and all the bonuses. Those wouldn't have been a good 6 rounds for you.

November 10 (later) - Israeli terrorists retaliate by launching an artillery barrage that kills four people at a youth soccer game and one Palestinian soldier

November 11 - Palestinian self-defense forces respond by firing 100 rockets at Israel (due to the U.S. sponsored arms ban on Gaza, Palestinian rockets do not have sophisticated guidance systems and aren't able to target Israeli terrorist training camps with pinpoint accuracy so some fall astray)

November 14 - Israel launches a terror attack against Palestinian government leaders, killing the Minister of Defense and a dozen bystanders

If my neighbour was trying to kill me and I happened to have a rocket launcher available, I would use it. There's no keeping score when you're trying to survive and someone else is trying to kill you. You either succeed in saving yourself or you don't.