Eye Contact Game

What is the right move to make when you and a girl hold eye contact from a distance across the room? I’m thinking of some type of direct approach, but what type of line should I open with? Of course the target is generally in a small group, but…

Put yourself in a girl’s shoes. (You sperg types and psychopaths can sit this one out; I understand how difficult empathy is for you.) You are scanning the room, discreetly, hoping to catch an alpha male’s eyes. He sees you. (Or, rather, he sees your pulpeous lips, your sultry eyes, and your bodacious tatas. Thank god for objectification, otherwise you’d never get a date!)

He holds your eye contact for a split second longer than the average beta bear, triggering your discomfort and tingle reflexes simultaneously. You shift a little in your chair to make room for your engorging labia. What happens next will either maintain your state of intrigued arousal, or return you to the previous indifferent baseline.

If the man lowers and raises his gaze repeatedly to confirm that you are, indeed, returning it, you will lose interest fast. What kind of alpha male dawdles while life, and pussy prospects, zoom past him?

If he smiles while holding your eye contact, and then returns to talking to his friends, ignoring you, you are curiouser. Will he rendezvous later to strike up a conversation? Or is he toying with you?

If he waits, steely-eyed, for you to break eye contact (and you are surprised to find yourself always looking away first when a man confidently holds your gaze), then disappears from view, only to reappear at your side ordering a drink for himself (but not for you), you can barely contain your excitement.

If he holds your eye contact without smiling, without frowning, with just the expressionless blankness of a man contemplating the cracks in a sidewalk, and then calmly, slowly moves directly toward you, your anticipation grows and your nerves electrify. You know what he wants, but still you can’t wait to hear how he goes about getting what he wants.

If he looks away and pokes his friend, pointing at you while talking to him, then looks back at you and smiles, you lose interest. You feel your vagina prancing out of the room.

If he bends over and speaks to you through his ass cheeks, Ace Ventura style, you realize he is unattainable and lament that you will have to settle for a more predictable man this night.

I hope you are getting the drift of this exercise in imagined pickup scenarios. There are alpha ways and beta ways to initiate verbal contact after eye contact has been established, and there are multiple and varyingly effective ways for each. Getting strong eye contact from a girl before approaching — an approach I would NOT classify as a cold approach — is something many beta males rely upon because it is, in fact, one of the easiest approaches to execute. It’s the closest thing to a sure thing in non-social circle pickup that there exists.

(Try approaching a girl who doesn’t even notice you, or, worse, who looks away to the side when you try to catch her eye. It’s a whole other beast.)

In my personal experience, a consistently effective approach after strong eye contact — that is, eye contact which you determine is evidence the girl really likes your look and vibe — is to wait for her to unlock eyeplay first, and then simply walk towards her, slowly and deliberately. Usually, she will look up again and see your mighty visage coming toward her, and this will make her nervous. This is good, because a nervous girl is a girl who already perceives you as having higher value, and thus you will have prequalified hand in the seduction.

Once you have reached her side, look away from her momentarily, toward the bar or the crowd. Stand shoulder to shoulder. Allow a few seconds of uncomfortable silence to pass. Now this next step is key: do NOT say anything about liking her, or her liking you. She will be expecting that. An alpha male is rarely one to satisfy women’s expectations. You may go direct with your opener — “you really should work on your distance flirting technique”, “if you wanted to talk to me, you could have just come over and said hi”, “your friends are annoyed that you’re paying more attention to me than to them” — or indirect: address her friends if she’s with a group and act like you only came over to get a drink and socialize. Ask her what she thinks of girls who drink manly drinks. Inform her you made a bet with your friends that you would limit yourself to flirting with only one girl this night.

Whatever you do — and there are plenty of opener tactics in the archives — know that extended eyeplay with a girl makes your job a lot easier. She’s practically announced that she’s ready and willing to give you a chance. Attraction is yours to lose, so all you really need to do is avoid typical anti-game mistakes and know how and when to transition into more intimate rapport.

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Some Direct gamers (like myself) would disagree with your opener during the approach.

I just up and tell the girl I found her attractive and felt compelled to approach. Works for me, but it’s my style. Of course I dont dawdle on her beauty, it only gets brought up once and we go onto talking to something else.

This was a great read otherwise, I’ve been waitin for posts like this from you for quite some time.

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Butt Contact Game
August 1, 2012 by Heartistezzlzozozo
“In need of advice” asks:

What is the right move to make when you and a girl hold butt contact from a distance across the room? I’m thinking of some type of direct approach, but what type of movement should I open my zipper with? Of course the target is generally in a small group of buttholez, but…

Put yourself in a girl’s buttockz. (You sperg types and psychopaths can sit on her face; I understand how difficult empathy is for you.) You are scanning the room, discreetly, hoping to catch an alpha male’s one-eyed monsterz. It sees you. (Or, rather, it sees your pulpeous lips, your sultry eyes, and your bodacious tatas. Thank god for objectification, otherwise you’d never get to suck on it!)

He holds your butt contact for a split second longer than the average beta bear, triggering your anal and gina tingle reflexes simultaneously. You shit a little in your pants to make room for your engorging anuth. What happens next will either maintain your state of intrigued assrousal, or return you to the previous indifferent baseline.

If the man lowers and raises his pants repeatedly to confirm that you are, indeed, returning it, you will lose interest fast. What kind of alpha male doodles while life, and pussy anuth prospects, zoom past him?

If he smiles while holding your breast, and then returns to talking to his friends, ignoring you, you are curiouser. Will he rendezvous later to strike up your anal? Or is he toying with you?

If he waits, steely-eyed, for you to break butt contact (and you are surprised to find yourself always looking away first when a man confidently holds your labia), then his cock disappears from view, only to reappear at your side ordering a drink for it (but not for you), you can barely contain your excitement.

If he holds your butt contact without smiling, without frowning, with just the expressionless blankness of a man contemplating the cracks in your friends’ butts, and then calmly, slowly moves directly toward you, your anticipation grows and your buttnerves electrify. You know what he wants, but still you can’t wait to hear how he goes about getting what he wants.

If he looks away and pokes his friend’s butt, pointing at you while talking to him, then looks back at you and smiles, you lose interest. You feel your anuth prancing out of the room.

If he bends you over and speaks to you through his ass cheeks, Ace Ventura style, you realize he is unattainable and lament that you will have to settle for a more predictable man this night.

I hope you are getting the drift of this exercise in imagined pickup scenarios. There are alpha ways and beta ways to initiate butthole contact after gina contact has been established, and there are multiple and varyingly effective ways for each. Getting butt eye contact from a girl before approaching — an approach I would NOT classify as a cold approach — is something many beta males rely upon because it is, in fact, one of the easiest approaches to execute. It’s the closest thing to a sure thing in non-social circle pickup that there exists.

(Try butthexting a girl who doesn’t even notice you, or, worse, who looks away to the side when you try to catch her butt. It’s a whole other yeast infectuonz.)

In my personal experience, a consistently effective approach after strong butt contact — that is, butt contact which you determine is evidence the girl really likes your look and vibrator— is to wait for her to unlock buttholeplay first, and then simply walk towards her, slowly and deliberately. Usually, she will look up again and see your mighty cockas cumming toward her, and this will make her duck. This is good, because a ducking girl is a fucking girl who already perceives you as having higher value, and thus you will have prequalified butt in the seduction.

Once you have reached her butthole, look away from her momentarily, toward the bar or the crowd’s buttholez. Stand butt to butt. Allow a few seconds of uncomfortable silence to pass. Now this next step is key: do NOT say anything about liking her, or her liking you. She will be expecting that. An alpha male is rarely one to satisfy women’s expectations. You may go direct with your opener — “you really should work on your distance flirting technique”, “if you wanted to butthext to me, you could have just come over with your strap on oni”, “your friends are annoyed that you’re paying more attention to my butt than to theirs” — or indirect: address her friends if she’s with a group and act like you only came over to get a drink and socialize. Ask her what she thinks of girls who drink manly drinks like your lotsasa cockas cumzz. Inform her you made a bet with your friends that you would limit yourself to butthexting with only one girl this night.

Whatever you do — and there are plenty of opener tactics in the archives — know that extended buttplay with a girl makes your job a lot easier. She’s practically announced that she’s ready and willing to give you a chance. Anal is yours to lose, so all you really need to do is avoid typical anti-butt mistakes and know how and when to transition into more intimate rapport.

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I often make them wait before I approach them, go flirt with other women and then come back later. Drives them mad when they see you approaching someone else or even just having a good laugh with friends when you could have just approached them straight up. Leaves them waiting, and wondering if you even saw them make the eye contact to begin with.

For the first time in my life, I’ve been trying public transportation. I mean, EVERWHERE I am — international travel, in the cities I live in, in US cities I visit. Before this year, I have taken less than a handful of buses, trains, etc.

I’ve always been good at eye-contact “day game.” It’s never been a problem for me to just walk up, hold my posture and eye contact without being Mr. Creepy, keep that wry smile going, and open a gal on the street.

When a bus is starting and stopping, or a train is jostling about, or a subway goes from light to dark due to external tunnel lights, my composure completely collapses.

I’ve tripped, fallen against a handhold pole, and outright just caused myself to break out into laughter just trying to keep my posture straight.

A gal looks at me at a bar? That’s easy — go up to her and say something funny.

A gal looks at me on a train, even turns her body a bit to face mine? I’m at a loss

A gal looks at me on a train, even turns her body a bit to face mine? I’m at a loss

You’re good at eye-contact day game, yet have a problem on a train? That’s a bit puzzling. Two suggestions: “Ever been to [XYZ place]?”, or perhaps “Whatcha readin’?” (if she has a book or Kindle). Go from there.

My favorite line for subway – or streets in New York – is to look at a girl somewhat quizzically and ask:

“Are you a tourist?”

If she is – then you’re at an automatic advantage… and can neg her about tourists clogging the subways/streets and how “real” New Yorkers hate them, then offer to show her some of your favorite places if she bites.

If she’s not – then she’ll immediately try and qualify herself… and you proceed to say that she looked “lost” or “lonely” or something and go from there…

That’s because you’re too concerned with looking cool. Your ego is saying “if I can’t approach this smooth and perfect, then I’m not doing it!!” This is similar to a guy who won’t approach unless he has his best shirt on and his hair done perfectly, etc. It’s very limiting and will fuck you out of a lot of awesome opportunities.

The cure is to fuck your ego in the face by purposely making an ass of yourself lol ie – approach these girls, regardless of what the train is doing. Make a joke about the situation, or a joke about how un-smooth your approach was, etc. Basically show your ego that you don’t care if you’re not James Bond, you’ll force yourself to approach regardless of how embarrassing it might be, so it might as well get with the program and quit holding you back.

You actually have a huge internal-game learning/growth opportunitiy right in front of you, if you reach out and take it. 🙂

Oh, I agree — my perspective is in line with what you said above. It’s just a curious and interesting situation to think that at my age, I can find a completely foreign playground to me, and let it get under my skin.

On a non-moving platform, my posture and composure don’t matter to me, they’re already out of my thinking, but stick me on a train or bus and all of a sudden I’m self-concerned froma vanity standpoint, which is not how I am in any other situation.

It amazes me how much draw there is on public transportation. I wish I had tried my hand at it years ago. Sober women with jobs and students galore? Hell yeah.

One morning on the train, I watched this dude get shot-down hard. The two girls he was trying to open simply turned their backs and giggled to themselves, causing a twitter of approval from women in the crowd. The guy turned beet red once he realized that 50 people were staring at him in complete silence. I’d say avoid the commuters and bring your balls of steel.

Ha, I can only imagine. I’m still young at riding public transportation, but I’ve never had a problem asking directions or just conversing with those around me who aren’t in “quiet time” mode. I do a lot of air travel and cruises and have always been a social traveler, but the train/bus is so short lived that it’s just a unique place to be.

I don’t think I come off like a PUA when I day approach a woman. As mention up top, I’m more of a natural than a learned guy, so I’m very in tune to eye contact warm opens. When they happen on a train or bus and you’re standing halfway across it, there’s no solid way to stroll over. Time means everything — and from what I can see, some women just like a validation long range non-verbal flirt versus sending an IOI.

Still, I’ve done some “approaches” on the go, but they’re cop out types — “which beach are you heading to?” in Miami or the like.

I do think it’s a feasible place to watch for those warm openers, but it really does bring out the self-attention that a packed bar or club surely doesn’t.

He focuses on daygame in NYC where everyone takes public transportation and there are hot girls “on the go” all day. He does a lot of subway/train/etc. game. He differs from most PUAs in that he approaches during the week, collecting numbers, and then goes on dates with those girls on Fri/Sat nights instead of competing in the meat markets against bitch-shields with all the other guys.

As important as it is, as a man, to be independent and self-possessed, we are still social animals. You subconsciously calibrate to your social surroundings, regardless of what they are.

In a bar the goal is to socialize, to strengthen existing relationships and engage in new ones. This goal is reflected in the actions of all the patrons, their posture, voice tone, in the way they make and break eye contact. All this comes together to create a “vibe” that, like it or not, you cannot escape. In a bar this vibe loosens you up, and strengthens your game. Add alcohol to the mix, even if you aren’t drinking, and the vibe bolsters your confidence even more.

On public transport the goal is to get somewhere. Few people have an interest in making momentary subway pals, and few the charisma to do so smoothly and regularly. There is an air of distrust, postures are closed, eye contact is avoided, and talk is hushed. The vibe is cold, and you become cold with it. Confidence and charm are difficult to maintain in the atmosphere, and if you add in a fear of collision (which it seems you do), they become more difficult still.

Surroundings effect everyone. Even the sperg who clams up at a bar is responding to the open vibe, they just respond in their spergy way.

Bars also offer an element of static social value. If you are with friends, you are ensconced in an established social hierarchy. You may consciously know you are an alpha stud, but without immediate social reinforcement that value is harder to maintain internally. Even without friends, bars still offer a degree of social value. Unless you are immediately recognized as a creep (e.g. horrible posture, wasted alone, talking to yourself, shoegazing), it is generally accepted you belong there. You can afford the clothing befitting the milieu, you can afford drinks, you enjoy socializing enough to be out drinking instead of drinking beer in front of the TV.

Public transport immediately strips everyone of social value. The only way to combat this is through appearance. Obviously expensive clothing is a good defense, as is good skin, physique, hair, and posture. But even if you can visually establish yourself as the highest value person on the bus, your value relative to an onlookers own social circle is nebulous. This uncertainty takes a toll on your composure. We are evolved to live in a static community throughout most of our lives, along with a well established social standing. Being stripped of that standing every time you step on a bus takes a toll few people recognize.

Fun experiment: next time you are waiting in line at the bank, look at how uncomfortable everyone is.You will notice frequent weight shifting, lots of awkward looking around, tapping fingers, and an unusually large percentage of people will have their arms crossed. Then notice how uncomfortable you are yourself. Its contagious. Banks are almost always like this. Tellers have a positional authority (access to financial info, potential to bear bad news, always well dressed, and that protective counter separating them from the unwashed depositors) that is subconsciously disruptive to the customers. If the tellers are mostly young and fuckable, its twitch city for the whole line.

All that being said: Get a more solid frame, and you will be fine. You cannot avoid the vibe, but you can still smother it with your gargantuan leathery sack. Fill the ensuing void with chest hair and intoxicating man musk, and others will flock to your poon-hunting lodge vibe.

My ability to land a gal isn’t a problem. I’ve never been single in my life, and usually have a few plates spinning either actively or in the background.

I was just reporting that the public transportation system is a new venue for me. I’ve been dating for 25 years, riding trains and buses for just a few months.

As to people being cold on trains, I don’t see it at all. I’ve met a few people (I own some print shops and wear my own line of t-shirts and people always comment on the design or cut of the cloth), made a few friends, got some numbers of dames, etc.

I don’t do night bar game because I don’t find women who drink excessively attractive. None of my regular plates are drinkers, but they’re great women. I prefer day game, and it’s always been coffee shops or lunch eating or the like.

Public trans appears to be a reasonable place for a practiced and confident day gamer to test his talents. It’s a different atmosphere for me, but just in the past few months, I’ve definitely seen that it’s not just people trying to get from A to B in private.

I’m not questioning your abilities, just hoping to bring light to some of your troubles. If you are as skilled as you say, and I have no reason to doubt that, then why does this particular venue trip you up?

It would be foolish of me to claim that no one on public transport is open to being friendly. I think its clear, however, that the majority of people are isolated and in travel mode. I am claiming that these people have a pronounced effect on your state, even though you may not even be aware they are there.

Have you ever had your attention grabbed by someone mentioning your name in a nearby conversation? You don’t need to be listening, or even aware the conversation is happening, for that to occur. You track EVERYTHING that is happening around you, but are only aware of a fraction of it.

Just because you don’t notice that awkward teenager plugged into his ipod and video game two rows back, doesn’t mean he isn’t affecting you.

There are a couple other hurdles to public transport. One, you have an audience. A lot of people are sitting idly, and will immediately start watching you as you approach. Stage fright is hard to overcome. Two, you have no exit strategy. If things go wrong, you have to sit with the embarrassment until it is your stop. You may not be aware of either of these, but your subconscious is.

Observe yourself and your surroundings closely next time you are on public transport, I think you will find my ideas have merit.

Mr. Pointyface hereby issues a verdict in ABDADA’S favor here. Bars are not some rarified special location where the elite hone their eliteness.

Too many alcohol abusers and alcoholics.

The super-elite chick who only has time for productive shit — which definitely will include hot, nasty fucking with a trusted lover/abuser–will be at a cultural event or tied to her antique four-poster telling you the filthiest things you can imagine, inciting you to licentious behavior. She meets elite guys at the coool events she goes to, or at random when ABDADA types break convention.

“Bars are not some rarified special location where the elite hone their eliteness.”

We just encourage bars/nightclubs because girls dress their hottest (and thus look their most intimidating) when they go to those places, and there are hundreds of women to hone your skills on in a small area, and you have to deal with WAY more factors than in daygame (cockblocks, bitch-shields, loud music, club-stimuli, etc.). So if you can handle yourself in a nightclub, doing daygame is laughably easy because all the difficult stuff is removed. It’s like training with weights on.

In most cities doing daygame means spending 20 minutes looking for a set, which for new guys makes it really hard to keep your momentum going. In a bar if you get blown out you just turn around and say “hello” to the girl behind you.

But I agree that the really high quality girls aren’t getting hammered at bars and doing coke in the bathroom.

Same time, you can find high quality chicks at the bar who don’t drink or do drugs and are just there because they’re part of high value social circles. The stereotype of every girl at the bar being a drunk coke-whore is revealed as bullshit when you go out and meet enough of them. Hell, a lot of really hot girls don’t even drink more than a couple drinks when they’re out because they don’t want to get sloppy and go home with some loser or ruin their reputation among their social circle lol

I think as you get older, too, you tend to start looking more at daygame, and social circle connections (ie – the “coool events she goes to”).

Noticing a big difference between European and American game. Bars in Europe are good for ONS only. 95% of the time it’s about them “celebrating themselves” (whatever the f**k that means) in closed social pods. Day game and daily routine is where it’s at.

Subways are a little hard because there tends to be a crowd and it’s hard to walk smoothly and deliberately up to a girl at the end of the car when you’re picking your way around tourists, suits reading work documents, a homeless guy and a couple school kids, on a jerking and jolting train.

A good subway opener, if you’ve already gotten solid eye contact might be, “I think this train is going to break down at the next stop. You want to call into to work and tell them you’re going to be a little late, and then go get a cup of coffee with me?”

This is a bad generalization. Aren’t you good enough to change the vibe of a room? And as far as public transportation… so much of this depends on things like time of day, city, country. Took public transportation to from a soccer match Saturday. It was a party on rails.

I was in Gdańsk for the end of Euro 2012. Every bus, every train, every tram was hook-up central. And it wasn’t guys picking up women, it was vice versa.

But that’s a VERY isolated situation. Still, I can imagine public transportation in an area like Wrigleyville in Chicago AFTER the bars start last call might not be a bad place to meet people — while they’re waiting for the trains/buses.

Like I said, 25 years of dating (mostly day game), 3 months of trying the bus and train, and it all feels like I just stepped into a bar for the first time. I pretty much love it.

“I’ve tripped, fallen against a handhold pole, and outright just caused myself to break out into laughter just trying to keep my posture straight.

A gal looks at me at a bar? That’s easy — go up to her and say something funny.

A gal looks at me on a train, even turns her body a bit to face mine? I’m at a loss”

One great tactic for situations like this is to open with something fairly direct and then use your blunder to disqualify it. In fact, the direct opener followed by an immediate DQ is a good way to open a girl PERIOD (more on that later).

An example of what I mean would be something like this. “So my plan was to waltz over here all smooth like a fine congiac and see if I could flirt my way into a phone number. But I just face-planted into a pole, so I think we can write that off as a lost cause. Instead, we’re gonna have to talk about important issues like “why does this bus-driver hate me” and “are you secretly in on his evil plan to make me trip?”

The really nice thing about an opener like this (from a theory standpoint) is it’s a great way to find if the girl is receptive to direct or indirect game without commiting to one or the other yet.

She can either agree or disagree with your disqualification. If she disagrees “Oh the fall wasn’t that bad. In fact, you probably would have stuck the landing if the old lady didn’t trip you with her cane” she’s telegraphing that she wants the direct approach, and that’s the best way to seduce her.

On the other hand, if she agrees that means she wants some more indirect deniable banter. But having already told her your endgame for the trip (phone number) You’ll be suprised how often the girl will simply ask for your info unsolicited as her stop approaches.

I use this sometimes even when I don’t blunder the approach, just because I’m trying to tell how direct (or not) I should be,

When i’m out at my latin dance parties, if a girl makes eye contact it means she wants to dance….if she makes eye contact while you’re with another girl it means she wants you to approach and do/say something….anyone who asks “Did you want to talk to me?” OR “I couldn’t help seeing you smiling” ruins the tingle…. Just say nothing and go over…act like it was what you both wanted all along….I’ve banged and number closed chicks just based on this.

*sigh* I wish I had bodacious tatas. LOL Reading this caused me to shift in my chair a little, which caused me to shift in my thinking about that fiction vs. nonfiction thing. I still think the collection of essays is a good idea for a male audience, but maybe fiction is the right avenue for the female audience. It would have the added boni of making you the virtual lover of every girl who reads it. Its a “curse of the player” loophole!

Lots of us greatly prefer small boobs. In my opinion body style and part preferences are related to the level of psychological development of the male. Those who need nurturing want big boobs that signify mommy. Those who want more of an interesting active, challenging slave girl prefer strong, sleek legs which indicate fitness for activity.

Nope, those who prefer big boobs are genuinely alpha, and prefer submissive women.

Those who prefer small boobs are semi-gays who also happen to want strong independent women. They’re also closeted feminists who are accomplice in bringing down this whole civilization, by telling women that they need to be “active”, “challenging” and other bullshit characteristics that manboob betas generally prefer in a woman. A woman needs to be hot, feminine,, passive, borderline lazy (too much energy and she will be quickly bored) and must learn to shut the fuck up . That’s a real woman right there.

If you want to be a real man, you gotta learn to worship big tatas like the rest of us.

And what’s with this mamma’s boy thing? Is that supposed to be an insult?
I’m sorry guys your mama was a ballcutting feminist freak, mine was feminine and nurturing. If that makes me a mamma’s boy, fine. Fuck you very much.
In case you didn’t or couldn’t notice, mamma’s boys grow up to be strong alphas.

One of the main factors of decline in america is that boys don’t have this strong bond with their mothers like blacks, latinos, and mediterraneans.
And then they grow up preferring strong manjawed unfeminine lawyercunts, and deeming feminine women “uninteresting”, “too lazy” or my favourite “not challenging enough”. You really need a hamster to find these characteristics appealing.
It’s particularly true with blonde whites. Many of them couldn’t care less if their mom dies in front of them.

I won’t be as blunt as Anon. But a great rack, narrow waist and wide hips you can grip when doing the doggy pretty much guarantees my wife induces my boner. Sweet as hell and a nuturing Mom, hers for the win.

My wife’s shape sound exactly like yours – all tits-n-ass, narrow waist, very feminine. And yes, doggy-style is her favorite position and mine – though I tend to be creative in this dept.

One of the first things I noticed about her, bar her face and figure, was her voice. I have a good ear for music, and their definitely is a certain pitch to a girl’s voice that seems to go with a low WHR – I’m talking a higher, sweeter sound.

I swear I can tell a low WHR girl just from listening to her speak! It’s something I’d love to see more comment or research on – hey Heartiste?!

To put into perspective, The blushing bride I married, when after we thought we were done having kids wanted to start a business with a partner. I pulled in enough to let her quit her job and try. Now she’s co-owner of a 7 figure a year business. I do pretty well myself. Our kid’s are are far right end of the bellcurve by objective measures. She knows I can be a bit crude. But how many mid 40’s wives get to have their kids, very successful careers and a Husband that made it possible for them who still desires her.

All I’m saying is that given a choice of great boobs or great ass, I’d take the latter.

It’s true that Black guys are closer to their (Big) Mama’s – mostly coz they don’t know their Dad, or he’s incarcerated – and learn to both fear women and internalize their mother’s hate of men. I’m not familiar with Latino culture. It’s also true that Sicilian guys are very close to their Mama’s – who generally spoil them rotten, but also try to control them (like Jewish mother) – but it does give them the sense of entitlement towards girls, to their benefit, but also makes them a little insecure.

I’m Irish, and Irish mother’s tend to favor their sons too – but not to the extreme of Sicilians. I certainly benefited by having an Alpha father, an adoring mother and 4 younger sisters who looked up to me.

You can buy bodacious tatas. The only reason more women don’t do this that I can think of is that they have absolutely no idea what factors into their SMV. If, as a man, I could drop 5-10 grand and an afternoon of my time and get the same degree of SMV jump I would do it today and feel like I had gotten an amazing deal. Seriously, if I were a woman with lackluster breasts I would take out a loan to get implants. Unless you’re already married it’s crazy not to.

You can BUY bodacious tatas. The only explanation I can think of for why more girls don’t do this is total denial of what factors into their SMV. If I could spend 5-10grand and one afternoon to get the same bump in SMV I’d do it tomorrow.

In the past year, I have seen what I can only call truly miraculous cosmetic surgery jobs — boobs, chins, noses, etc. Nothing looked off, everything was minimal, but the differences before and after were incredible.

Some of the women were just 19 or 20 when they had minimal work done, and all of them went from 6s to 8s or even higher.

Of course, a guy who has a kid with these modifiers may be unpleasantly surprised…

If you’re looking to have kids that’s definitely something to think about. From the woman’s perspective though the benefits are staggering. If I were an otherwise attractive female with small flabby breasts and could go from a 6 to an 8+ through cosmetic surgery I would take out loans to pay for it if that were my financial situation.

I started loosing my hair in my mid twenties and finally decided to just go for the shaved head look rather than the balding guy look. I thought about getting the modern hair transplant surgery that would total 10-20k but to be honest I haven’t really noticed a decrease in the frequency or quality of the girls I’ve been getting. I just don’t think there is any equivalent one-stop-shop SMV enhancer for men.

BEATRICE
…He that hath a
beard is more than a youth, and he that hath no
beard is less than a man: and he that is more than
a youth is not for me, and he that is less than a
man, I am not for him…

LEONATO
Well, then, go you into hell?

BEATRICE
No, but to the gate; and there will the devil meet
me, like an old cuckold…and
say ‘Get you to heaven, Beatrice, get you to
heaven; here’s no place for you maids:’ so…away to Saint Peter for the
heavens; he shows me where the bachelors sit, and
there live we as merry as the day is long.

The gold-winning U.S. female gymnastics team is incredible, but they’re basically just tiny muscular jocks. The eye shadow and sequins are merely added to remind the world that they’re female. Isn’t their menstruation often suppressed too?

My wife, who comes from a very aquatic family, pointed out that female divers always have much sleeker, sexier bodies than the mannish female swimmers. I’d agree. The female Italian synchronized diving team have been the only eye candy for this man so far, IMO.

Still, you girls have lots more choices of ideal manly bodies to admire than we guys do of ideal female bodies.

I believe it is. But, then again, those girls are often very young too. Yes, it was the female swimmers I was noticing as looking so mannish. I remember seeing a documentary about some female Russian athletes in the past who, because of the drugs they were given in training, became incredibly masculine. In fact, one now lives as a man, as a result. Crazy! Under that regime there did not seem to be much of a choice about what one did. I felt sorry for her/him. They really did not know what the effects of those drugs would be.

Halt the presses. HALT. THE. PRESSES. I have all my best ideas when I’m in semi-slumber. Prepare yourself because this is evil, hilarious, genius! New book idea: it should be written as a “choose your own adventure” book.

For anyone who doesn’t know how these books work, they are in second person so that the reader is the main character of the story. The reader is presented with various options as they read and, depending on what they choose, they are sent to another page of the book where the story continues until they have to make another choice. After a series of choices, they may have a pleasant or unpleasant outcome.

The main character in this one should, of course, be a young girl. She should undergo a serious of choices that will test her character, etc. The outcomes will be the same as in life: slut, divorce, wall, cats, good girl, marriage, etc. Like a good cautionary tale, I would recommend that the majority of the options lead to negative outcomes- even sometimes when the good choice is made. That really is most realistic.

There is no better way to learn than when fun in involved, and it would essentially be gaming the reader. I don’t know about anybody else, but I went throught those books until I made every possible option to see how it would turn out and to figure out misteps. There should be one- maybe two- routes that lead to a long, happy, marriage. Entertaining and educational: the power combo.

What do you think? Genius, right? My only fee is a mention in the acknowledgements and a signed copy. I’ll even buy my own to support the cause.

What are pink illustrations? Will this book be suitable for parents? It’ll be much more alluring if it isn’t. Foreword as in forewarning/disqualification/instructions on how to read maybe. Such as “you probably won’t be able to handle what you’re about to read. Better stop now before its too late….are you still reading? Well, I’ll warn you, etc.” Heading to the beach. May have more brainstorms in a sunny daze.

“What are pink illustrations? Will this book be suitable for parents?”

I was thinking of a version for eight year old girls 😛 But I think Heartsie should write something for teenagers and older. I’m sure it will be better than Fifty Shades of Grey.

“The outcomes will be the same as in life: slut, divorce, wall, cats, good girl, marriage, etc. Like a good cautionary tale, I would recommend that the majority of the options lead to negative outcomes- even sometimes when the good choice is made. That really is most realistic.”

That’s so cool. I think the text should be really sexy and also very positive so it would mislead the reader to make the wrong choices (like in real life). Part of the story leading to sluttines should be the most exciting, other, leading to spinsterhood should be written in style typical for feminists etc. – everything to mislead the reader to make the wrong choice at the end of the chapter.

The fact that you agree with me gives me pause (paws?) 🙂 Eight year olds?!?!?!?! Heavens, no. Teenagers, yes. Fifty Better Things to Do With Your Day? Haven’t read it and don’t plan to. If “he who must not be named in order to avoid the spam filter” is writing it, I’m sure it will be plenty sexy.

The idea of all literature is to learn lessons vicariously so one doesn’t have to experience them personally, so “mislead” seems like a stong term. The reader doesn’t need to be mislead. Give them the rope, they’ll do the rest. It’ll be like an extended Cosmo quiz.

The average person is going to respond to the same stimuli in a similar way. It’d be a chance to have some crystal ball moments. Fall for the player? Get a slight rebuff to your ego when you meet a nasty fictional end as opposed to taking a year of your life to recover, etc.

Reminds me of an encounter I had years ago. I had just started working at a new job and it’s Friday evening and a female colleague has invited her gf to visit the city and her gf has just dropped by our workplace. I rounded a set of cubicles to see this gorgeous girl sitting on a chair, brunette, blue eyes, all tits and ass, solid 8. We simultaneously locked eyes and just stared at each other for 30-40 seconds, then I say:
Me: “Well aren’t you going to introduce yourself?”
Hottie:”Hmm… hi!” (nervously)
Me: (Walk directly to her, not breaking eye contact. Hold out my hand) “Stephen… and you are?
Hottie: “Jane”
Me: (shaking hand) “Glad to meet you Jane” (continue on my way out of the building)

Next week, Monday or Tuesday, my colleague is on a call and I hear her saying the name “Jane”, so I round the cubes and say:
Me: (holding out hand) “Give me the phone”
Girl: “What?? I’m on a call!”
Me: “Give me the phone”
Girl: “But, I’m talking to my girlfriend”
Me: “I know… give me the phone”
Girl: (hands me the phone, smiling sheepishly)
Me: “Hi Jane, I’m that guy you met Friday, when are you in town again? We should talk…” (droll, dispassionate voice)
Hottie: “Oh… ah… Hi! Well, I’m not sure… maybe in a few weeks?!” (anxiously)
Me: “See you then!” (hand phone back to colleague)

Of course, later that day, my colleague tells me that her gf actually realized she had to do some shopping in town, and so would actually be back later in the week! When she arrived one evening after work, I just acted like we had a date, and just said, “OK, let’s go to x for drinks”, and we did and then went to an apartment of a friend of hers and got to know each other much better in the fire escape – that very night.

A while back Tyler was encouraging guys to try approaching without talking:

“I’ve also mentioned exactly what I figured out that helped me so much — simply NOT TALKING until makeout. Try this over and over for a few hours and see what it teaches you. Absolutely unbelievable what you’re forced to figure out — key: don’t give into the temptation to talk to a girl whose into you but won’t makeout, move on and keep trying again and again until you’re getting it consistently.”

Someone trying it out:

“When you stop verbalizing, your forced to game with only non-verbals (eye contact and physicality). I thought I was good at non-verbals but not speaking took it to the next level.

Your sense of entitlement increases because, she expects you to react and say something but no, your not gonna say shit. Its great when you see a hottie going on a monologue to win you over when all you have done is just stand there. lol.

The biggest thing it did for me was get rid of this little need to “do something.” Like, I’m in a set and I feel that I need to “do something” to get the girl to the next level. Like, be more gamie. But, now I just don’t act and just give her solid EC. No actions, just EC. Works great cuz she sees how comfortable I am.”

“… you don’t just walk up to her and stand there. You walk up to her and engage her physically and with Eye contact.”

OT but can someone explain this:
I just gamed this girl at work.Havent closed the deal but heres what happened
she is 5 years older to me (i’m in my early 20s,fresh red pill) and now acts like a child around me.its irritating to handle that fickelness.also she tries to shame me for hitting on her while obviously enjoying the attention.
My ques:
Has anyone here observed this childlike behavior of women?what does that say about the quality of game i managed to pull off?
also Any tips considering if I manage to pull it off its gotta be an affair i.e. no dating shit.shes in my hierarchy.

I’ve been in this situation, in my distant past. Best way to play it if you want to hook up is to get her alone, ask if you can say something “off the record”, and when she says yes (and she will) tell her that this flirting bullshit is getting on your nerves, and if she’s serious about wanting to hit that without the whole office knowing she should meet you _________ . . . or else go play with boys her own age. Then walk away. Ball’s in her court, you made a strong Alpha move “off the record”, which gives you at least a little sex harassment cover, and you’ve given her the opportunity to lay her panties on the table. If she shows, all you have to do is close. If she doesn’t . . . no more flirty flirty . . . ever. Treat her like your aging aunt after that.

“Getting strong eye contact from a girl before approaching — an approach I would NOT classify as a cold approach”

Correct. This is a “Warm Approach”, and eye-contact is an “Approach Invite” (AI). If she purposely stands near you or in your line-of-sight as well, that’s pAImAI (pre-Approach Invitation, male-Approach Invitation). All of these make the set much easier than a legit Cold Approach.

“is something many beta males rely upon because it is, in fact, one of the easiest approaches to execute.”

I just want to point out that the VAST majority of Naturals rely on this too. That’s often why you see Naturals go home with really hot girls but also with really ugly girls…because they’re waiting for an Approach Invitation, so if they get it from the hot girl, awesome, it’s on, but if the hot girl is oblivious to them and they only get the AI from an ugly girl, well hey, it’s better than going home alone!

I was actually really surprised at this when I first started hanging out with Naturals, I just assumed that they approached any girl but a lot of them are chickenshit unless the set is a Warm Approach. One of my buddies will just stare a girl he likes down until she finally turns to face him and notices him and locks eyes and THEN he’ll go in. This is also why a lot of Naturals appear to have a really high success rate…they’re not approaching randoms, they’re approaching sets where the odds are stacked in their favor.

They get VERY good at detecting REALLY tiny Approach Invites that most guys would never notice, because that’s the bread and butter of how they get laid.

I actually picked up a lot of bad habits hanging with Naturals that I’m STILL trying to fix and unwire from my brain…when I started out as a PUA I was able to Cold Approach ANYONE, no set was off-limits to me. But now from hanging out with Naturals who won’t go into a set until they get an Approach Invite, I tend to hestiate and not approach unless the set is Warm. I have to consciously kick my own ass to not fall into that trap now…I didn’t even realize I was DOING this for probably a year lol Now that I know what’s going on I can fix it, but man, it really set my skills back a lot.

A guy who can Cold Approach even if he has a low success rate is infinitely more impressive to me than a Natural who only Warm Approaches with a high success rate…because most of us got into pickup to have choice. We wanted to be able to see that hot girl from across the room and go “That’s for me, that’s what I want.” and go over and chat her up whether she knew we were alive or not. Guys who only Warm Approach are trapped in the cage of “I can only choose from the girls who choose me first”.

Far as Direct VS Indirect off a Warm Approach goes:

Direct is great, especially if she’s solo (tho it can work fine in a group, but that’s more of a gamble because sometimes her friends will just fade off into the background and let her hook up, but if they don’t then who knows what her friends will throw at you lol).

But Indirect has it’s merits and isn’t necessarily beta in this situation. The thing guys have to understand though, is that once you lock eyes with the girl and then place yourself near her, even if you’re being indirect, she KNOWS you two locked eyes. She knows the indirect stuff is just a ruse. And she knows that YOU know SHE knows the indirect stuff is a ruse. What happens then is that there’s two levels of communication going on…there’s the “I’m pretending not to hit on you” level where you’re doing your indirect shit and this is all her friends see/notice, but then there’s also the “…but we both know I AM hitting on you ;)” level underneath it where only you and her know about this level going on.

This can build a LOT of sexual tension for her because she knows you’re going to make a move, and she knows you know she knows you’re going to make a move, but you’re not making it yet because you’re confident enough not to rush things…so she wonders what your game is and if you’re actually going to make the move and when you’re going to focus on her and all this confusion and drama in her head is exciting and gets her gina tingling. She sees you casually chatting her friends up and not even looking at her but she KNOWS you know she’s there…”When is he going to talk to meeeee???? Omg my friend loves him, he’s not into HER is he? We made eye contact, he has to be into me!! Omg omg omg” and then when you finally turn your attention to her, BAM, it’s on like donkey kong because of all the build-up.

So ya, indirect has it’s merits. But only if you understand there’s that second level of subcommunication going on during a Warm Approach. If you get an Approach Invite, but you go in thinking it’s exactly like a pure Cold Approach, you won’t have that “we both know we’re going to fuck eachother later ;)” subcommunication and you’ll come off as beta and lose the girl.

Nuances. It’s all about nuances. The nuances you learn when you go out a lot and try different styles of game. It’s almost Friday, make some plans to go out this weekend. 🙂

Recovering/former social retards like myself also prefer Warm Approach, for reasons that can be surmised. And fortunately, in my own case, I tend to get AI or pAImAI from enough HB8+s that it doesn’t matter to me if I don’t get one I want.

In fact, it happened twice last night while I was hanging out with a few future-lawyercunt friends and their bfs who are leaving town. The thing that pickup newbs should realize is that if a girl is open to meeting you but is out with friends, she will detach herself from them momentarily. Chatting her friends up is okay if you know any of them, but if they’re all strangers, you’ll have to rely on detachment by her, as otherwise you’d basically be Cold Approaching the entire table except for her.

I really like what you’re saying, but the definition of “natural” is the ability to engage strangers not the ability to pick a friendly face in the crowd. I can crack people up in elevators. I think you should use a different word than “natural”

You can define the word however you want, but for the sake of the discussion of “guys who are good with girls”, a Natural is a guy who naturally does well with women. All I’m saying is that if you observe these guys you’ll notice that a lot of them prefer not to Cold Approach. That doesn’t mean they don’t have any skills and couldn’t handle a cold approach if they had to, it just means that they prefer a very specific set of circumstances where they feel like they have an advantage.

– Not a big fan of the direct approach in a group dynamic. Even with a solid AI, your direct opener is going to perk the ears of the resident cock-block. If the target is already interested, not much of a need to push your chips all-in from the get-got.

– I don’t like going out with naturals for the very reasons you mentioned. Whenever I see a set to cold approach, I get excuses of why I shouldn’t (too young, look bitchy, girls night out, etc.). It’s either negativity I have to resist, or I will approach and warm them up, only to then have to deal with the natural throwing salt in my game. (Yes, wingman rules apply, but naturals can and do compete with vibe alone.)

Based off what I’ve seen I think naturals do have fear of cold approaches. I think even Tyler Durden can get flickers of anxiety if he is approaching a very attractive girl in front of a group of strangers.

The naturals I know jive with what YaReally said above; they are expert at the warm approach and precisely know when a girl is into them/giving them the signal.

Evil it would help if you use the word the same way everyone else does. A natural is a guy who understands women and gets good results, without having any exposure to the game/pua community. Most naturals are self-taught although a lucky minority are just born with it.

Natural is a statement of results and education levels. A guy might only approach hot redheads on the subway who smile at him. But if he’s regularly bedding 7s and up, he’s a damned natural with a tiny selection window.

“Not a big fan of the direct approach in a group dynamic. Even with a solid AI, your direct opener is going to perk the ears of the resident cock-block.”

Personally I agree, but this CAN be made to work. Like I say, it just requires that you mentally keep track of the cockblocks and what they’re doing. As long as they don’t care about you, you’re good, but the second you ping on their radar, you have to POUNCE on them and introduce yourself first and show you’re not a threat/loser. If you wait for them to go “Hey, who’re you?”, you’re already coming off socially inept and/or rude to them. Even if they don’t directly interfere while you talk to her, they’ll cockblock you if things start going too well (ie – she wants to leave with you or give you her number, etc.).

But if you go in direct on your girl, and immediately handle the cockblocks (build some comfort/rapport with them, Juggler style), once they approve of you they’ll leave you alone and you can resume with your girl.

This requires being able to handle group dynamics and shit though, so it’s difficult for newbies to pull off and sends their conversation rates into the shitter as girls that like them keep getting pulled away from them by the group lol

“Whenever I see a set to cold approach, I get excuses of why I shouldn’t (too young, look bitchy, girls night out, etc.). It’s either negativity I have to resist”

lol this is so true. It took me a while to learn to ignore this shit. All they’re doing is covering up that they’re too pussy to go for it by trying to make you think that it’s an impossible set and no one could do it. That’s way easier on their ego than admitting that it could totally be done but they don’t have the balls, since for a Natural the most important thing is protecting his ego and making sure his buddies all think he’s awesome (thus the Natural’s tendencies to constantly talk about the girls they’re seeing, banging, etc.).

The ironic part is that if the guy ends up stumbling INTO that set (like a girl from it approaches him), and it goes well, he’ll then rewrite history entirely in his head and be like “ya I knew that was on from the start!” even if you’re like “…but you said it was a no-go!!”. It’s fucking funny but frustrating sometimes lol

“or I will approach and warm them up, only to then have to deal with the natural throwing salt in my game. (Yes, wingman rules apply, but naturals can and do compete with vibe alone.)”

lol also SO true. They’re not necessarily TRYING to blow you out, but it just happens because of their vibe…plus since they instinctively escalate when a girl shows them Indicators of Interest, they just find the situation has escalated. Much like women backwards-rationalizing, Naturals will look back on situations like this and to them it honestly “just HAPPENED!”

All of this tones down the more you hang around them and get to understand their psyche, but when you first start hanging out with them, especially when you’re still a newbie to game, it’s really frustrating lol

– he makes eye-contact, then checks her out quick, then keeps holding the eye-contact right up to the kiss

– listen to how he slows down “this’ your..first….day………” like he’s stunned by her and like he knows the indirect words he’s saying don’t even matter

– notice they don’t shake hands and let go, they keep holding hands. I use this one a lot when I meet girls, I’ll just lightly keep holding their hand (nice and loose so they’re free to pull away if they want to). If they don’t pull away, they’re into me. I’ve had situs where we’ve held our shaking hands for like 30 seconds to where it’s awkward and I can joke about it.

Most guys will watch that clip and go “well he’s famous so he can do that” but this goes back to what I said in an above comment about Naturals being able to spot Approach Invites that most guys are oblivious to. She was giving him the eye and he picked up on it hella fast and escalated. Maybe she wouldn’t be giving him the eye if he wasn’t famous, but we all run into girls now and then who eye-fuck us and could do the exact same thing he’s doing despite not being celebrities.

Once he knows the sexual tension is through the roof from the indirect, he goes direct and escalates it.

In the moment it looks chaotic and unexpected and random to everyone else, but to him it was completely logical and paint-by-numbers.

oops, actually the first eyes he makes with her here are at 40 seconds in. They may have eye-fucked earlier in the day too, but we’ll never know. The point is this isn’t as random as it seems at first.

That’s some good shit. destroying things, particularly beautiful and innocent things, can bring empathizer types closer to the sociopath model. a sociopath isn’t superior. someone with thick skin, who is callous of mind if far better. it’s the best of both worlds to be able to choose. it’s called strength.

good shits here, but you should be making this shit up on your own. you won’t find a list like that hear anyway. just follow the rules and you’ll get a good mind fuck going, like you want. this article (or blog, whatever it is) is golden. use it and keep reading. i don’t do this shit enough in real life… partying is expensive and i need the Gym. I have been enlightened-

How about “Would you care to dance?”. No posturing, no furrowed eyebrows, no stupid openers guaranteed to make you fall flat on your face. No competing with hordes of other black-leather-jacketed clones struggling to humiliate themselves on the alter of her inflated ego.

Foxtrot, Tango, Swing. Just learn how to stay on beat and the rest is easy. You can make a little conversation while running your fingers over her bra straps and lower back area. Then, use Elmer’s trademark “forward fake” to plant her tits on your chest for an exotic thrill.

After that, toss her aside and grab a hotter one. Later, take a fatty for ride and show what a gentleman you are.

Elmer-stop with that grown man game.These dweebs are still on ‘tween game. Oh I forgot. These 20 something video game players discoved this new devastating psych game that no one in the past 100k years years ever thought of 🙂 And they did it all from their command centre in mommy’s basement between watching porn and the latest Twilight film 🙂

I’m a girl and IMO, the problem with your suggested openers is that they sound über-douchey.. Unless your confidence is off the chain and u have ‘moves like jagger’ most guys aren’t pulling this off without eliciting eye rolls and ‘weirdo’ looks. No one talks like this. (well the one about if u wanted to talk to me, u should have come over is kinda cute) I wouldn’t recommend these for beginners. I’d suggest more casual normal convo. Like if she’s sitting at the bar and it’s busy, say something like ‘geez what do I have to do to get this bartenders attention?’ or ask her if it would be girly if you ordered a mojito, etc. Or like some people said, if she’s reading something on a phone/kindle, u could say “looks interesting, what are u reading?” etc. Keep it basic. If it comes off too rehearsed or contrived, girls are going to be looking like ‘huh?’ ‘you talking to me?’

I was at a bar in Boston over the weekend, and I was trying to get a drink and there was this platform thing under the bar so I stood on it to get the bartenders attention. The guy next to me looked up at me and stepped up on the platform too and leaned in and said something like “Hey good idea, maybe ill get a drink now… hey I’m ‘John’ by the way, whats ur name?” etc. etc. I have a boyfriend but I thought it was a casual/natural/unoffensive way to open and he seemed like a cool guy I might have talked to otherwise.

Whenever guys approach me with horrible game its mainly due to bad timing. Like if I have my earphones on (which I often do since I live in NYC) coming up and trying to strike up a conversation out of the blue, I’m gonna be scrambling to turn down the volume or press pause and Ive already missed the first part of whatever you were trying to say. Then when you go to repeat it and its some corny a$$ sh*t or out of the blue question I’m going to be either confused or annoyed. Also guys tend to ask too many what I call “filler” questions too early in the convo like “so, do you work around here? Oh you do, what do you do there? How long have you been working there, do you like it, etc. To me, you’re still a complete stranger and I’m not quite ready to start telling you my whole life story and likes/dislikes within the first five minutes of convo. Especially when you haven’t even got to the point yet like “hey, Im so-and-so, do you have a business card, maybe we could grab lunch one day” etc. So all while ur running down ur list of filler questions, in my head, I’m like, ok, please just get to the part where u ask me if I have a boyfriend or whatever so I can get rid of you. You should make your intentions known from the gate or at least get the flirting/playful vibe going cause every girl knows that if a guy is sitting there asking a bunch of questions whats eventually coming.. Youre just drawing it out unnecessarily and I have no incentive to keep engaging you if you’re ‘hiding your hand’ so to speak out of fear or nervousness.

I know my comments wont be popular and the word bitch/cunt will be quick to be tossed around.. I’m just keeping it real from a girl’s perspective.

Your comments won’t be popular because virtually everybody here rightfully assumes girls/women have no fucking clue what they want on a conscious level and their advice is usually shit even if well meaning.

“So all while ur running down ur list of filler questions, in my head, I’m like, ok, please just get to the part where u ask me if I have a boyfriend or whatever so I can get rid of you.”

This is why nobody should take her advice. She’s not telling guys “this is what I think works to seduce women.” In that case, maybe it’s worth listening to, but most likely it’s not. After all, she’s probably never seduced a woman before, so how the hell would she know what works?

Instead though, her advice is “please just hurry to the part where I can get rid of you.” This is completely the opposite of what the guy wants to achieve. For obvious reasons, if someone lays out their advice and the endgame is the opposite of your objective, you don’t freaking take it!

@A girl’s perspective: You’re describing the approach of the game-less beta or pua amateur. If you’re waiting to dismiss him, he obviously hasn’t built any attraction for you. You are describing the emotions that girls feel when a beta attempts to pick them up. Since most men are beta, you are only describing what happens to you, understandably, most of the time. But you are clueless as to what would work on you– if you’re worthy, and fate happens to put us in the same place, you’ll be on your back in no time.

Thats exactly what Im saying. I’m talking about beta game. A guy that has strong game wouldn’t do this. He realize that asking a girl 20 questions in the first five minutes is not going to get the proverbial ‘juices flowing’

I’m not trying to give advice on what works, I’m only talking about what DOESN’T work.

Although I did provide an example in my comment where a guy just came at me in a friendly casual way and transitioned right into, ‘my name is such and such, whats your name?’ And if I was a single gal I probably wouldve talked him.

I just dont think its necessary to come with some creative contrived ‘line’ just be yourself and go with the flow. TO me its like 98% confidence and 2% what actually comes out of your mouth.

Yeah, you don’t know what you after. What your backside operated sense is trying to do is not to breed a race of galley slaves and horse faced women.

It does not matter what he says. It matters what he hints as to his lot in life. So if I were just promoted leader of the clan, and walked into the room with that attitude, I could recite bathroom graffiti better than does a poor bastard reading Chaucer if his house had just burned down. He would give the vibe that dying of exposure is nigh.

Here comes an insider with oppo research, and she gets geek-banged about how useless her presence here is.

I am beginning to appreciate bombastic spazzes like The Whammer, who comments on this site. He doesn’t pontificate about what constitutes alpha or beta so much as he challenges you to demonstrate your status best you can in a limited medium such as this. For his trouble he gets childish hangers-on who think they insult him by adopting personae like his “Dad” and “Mom.” Don’t get me wrong, that can be clever in a Monty Python way. But dudes, Monty Python humor is the nerdiest of all nerdery.

It is clear from the reaction to A girl’s perspective that there are plenty of reformed omegas who, despite knowing which principles to cheer on, haven’t quite completed the internal reformation. Here comes a doughy Lena Dunham type girl, street-tested and ridden hard by NYC, and she is treated like an average girl wandering into a comic book convention. The dorks descend with amped-up alacrity as they do upon all dissent, especially dissent with tits.

You guys like Glengarry Glen Ross around here? On the wall of their office is a strange sign: “Salesmen are born, not made.” I am beginning to believe that of “alphas.” There is a distinct difference between naturals and reclamation projects, at least in terms of self-possession and protectiveness of sacred dogma. The latter dogmatists carry the omega chip-on-the-shoulder forever, though fortunately they sublimate it into highly-effective alpha trickery. Meantime, naturals don’t hang out long.

And the women? They beat an even hastier retreat. Hint: That’s not merely because they “have no fucking clue” and “their advice is usually shit.” It might be because the vibe here is the opposite of relaxed and her instincts are true. You are quantifiers and vivisectors and lexicographers with a glossary longer than The Monster Manual. Her advice is solid, if not comprehensive. But it’s her identification as the enemy that triggers an irrational reply.

There is nothing like genuine testimony from the cohort you are attempting to target. Even if she isn’t spot on, she is giving an earnest account of her “perspective.” That is worth the advice of ten game students forever calibrating their testimony between braggadocio and embarrassing honesty.

It is a primate threat stare. Very intimidating. If you stare at a girl, and she looks down, it is submissive. Or in human terms, flirting. People used to call that, being a coquette.

I sometimes do it to my wife for fun. She will usually look away after a couple of seconds. Strangely, avoiding any eye contact at all can seem dominant too. Apparently alpha male primates stand out because they are the ones everybody watches. I suppose the weakest male behaviour is glancing at a female and then looking away. That is too feminine.

Hell yes it can. This is very good to use when your girl has let you down somehow. It can be agonizing and she will likely be devising some serious way in which she can make it up to you if one is a typically dominant man.

The direct eye contact can really go either way. A man can convey anger or even rage behind this or the most tingle inducing stare there is. As someone said above, little to no words are necessary, especially in an established relationship.

Ok, beta male here with a few questions:
1) Does anyone have any good advice on how to improve maintaining eye contact? I have been trying to work on this, but when an attractive girl makes eye contact with me, I instinctively look away.
2) There’s a cute girl I work with who, whenever we are walking past each other, she makes direct eye contact with me and quickly looks off to the side when I make eye contact back. What should I read into this?
3) What does it mean when a girl goes out of her way to avoid eye contact? And, I’m not talking about in a club situation. I have an ex who I still run into often and even when she is talking to me for prolonged periods of time, she makes a conscious effot to not look me in the eyes. It just seems weird.

1: Try this. For the next two weeks, actively seek to make eye-contact with everyone who crosses your path. Man or woman, stranger or family. As soon as you get the contact HOLD IT. No matter how uncomfortable it gets, keep staring at them until they look away.

Just doing this for a day or two really makes you feel like a champ. Staring someone in the eye till they submit and look away is an ego-boost. Knowing you can do it to practically everyone you meet is positively exhilarating. After two weeks the behavior starts to become automatic, and will override your previous impulse to look away. When you find yourself having to remember to break eye-contact rather than to hold it is when you know you’re all the way there.

2: Green fuckin light dude! Make your move.

3: Usually a complete refusal to make eye-contact means shame. Either she’s ashamed of how she treated you, or she’s ashamed she ever dated you in the first place.

Side note: In the former case you can easily get sex if you figure out what specifically she’s ashamed of. The technique is to IOI her, then use the shame to DLV her as soon as she starts responding to the IOI. It’s crazy easy to do. Problem is it gets you guilt-inspired sex with an ex. Not really worth it unless you need to break a dry spell.

Follow SpecialKs eye contact advice that stuff works. I read here on Heartiste and in two weeks it changed my frame completely. You start to fear people less and it does boost your game by simply being different. So many people and men look away first. I live in NYC and I had plenty of opportunity to do this. If you describe yourself as beta then this is a good exercise to practice where you don’t have much to lose.

Also start practicing the upward head nod. Everyone does the downward one as a way to say “what up” or as a sign of acknowledgement but to me it’s plain and an act of submission. This took me a few weeks because I always defaulted my chin downward. Practice doing the opposite not for the sake of dominance but it does set you apart from the pack.

– make sure you’re smiling or it’ll look threatening, especially to dudes (down the road when you have way more social calibration you can do it to men and women without smiling and not be threatening)

– skip guys, don’t bother making eye contact with random guys on the street for a few months till you have making eye contact with girls down solid. Being able to stare guys down is good for your confidence in general as a man but at this newbie stage it’s more trouble than it’s worth and the elation you’ll feel from staring a super hot girl down will do way more for you than staring down some dude. Again, down the road you can do it, when you have more social calibration, but stick to girls for now.

– if you’re passing eachother and neither of you breaks eye contact, simply say “hello”. Never know where that will lead.

– if she’s stuck in one spot like sitting on the subway, don’t keep staring at her after the initial volley. All you care about right now is “winning” that initial eye contact lock. Staring for a long time without approaching gets creepy.

– if you “lose” the initial volley (you look away first, especially if you look down), don’t bother trying again with her. You only get one shot at this with each girl, they learn everything about what kind of man you are, how confident you are, and how attracted they could be to you from that little 5 second exchange.

1. Make eye contact while driving. When people traveling in the opposite direction pass you, look them in the eyes until they pass. You won’t have to stop and talk and you’ll probably never see these people again, so have fun getting a ton of practice holding your stare this way.

When I receive strong eye contact, I find it best to approach the girl directly rather than chat up her friends after making my approach. In this situation, she’s basically giving you permission to go direct right then and there. Going the route of group dynamics isn’t necessarily a bad idea, but it risks slowing the natural momentum of the moment. If she’s with a group, I think it’s best to approach the girl directly, build a little rapport, and then befriend (read: neutralize) her gaggle so you can abscond into the night with your prize. A line that works for me is “Hey, I’m gonna kidnap your friend for a second. We’ll be right back.” I say this even if I have no intention of returning her; it’s just plausibility deniability for the group. (In fact, I find telling a girl I’m kidnapping her works ridiculously well for getting her to leave with me because in her mind it automatically “absolves” her whatever happens next.)

I think the significance of strong eye contact from across the room is understated in this scenario. In my experience, as often as not, strong distance eye contact means the girl is DTF provided your game matches your look. Feel free to escalate ten times faster than you would during a cold approach. Provided your frame is tight, it’s not unrealistic to leave with girl in tow within minutes after making your direct approach. If you have a wingman, he should occupy her friends if she has any and he can quickly identify them. I learned this the hard way…

I had just returned to the U.S. after several months of traveling throughout Southeast Asia. I was at a club in San Diego’s Gas Lamp district with two old military buddies. It was about midnight. I was talking with one of my buddies when I noticed a skinny Latina in a black dress eyefucking me. Hard. She appeared to be alone. A definite greenlight. I cut the conversation with my buddy and approached the girl directly, positioning my body between hers and the bar. Our bodies were practically against each other.

Paraphrasing:

Me: I saw you looking at me. But you should know I’m not a nice guy here to make friends.
Her: What are you here for?
Me: (Ignoring her question, or rather answering it physically, I placed two fingers under her chin and lifted/pulled her jaw towards mine and kissed her for about five seconds before breaking off the kiss.)
Me: Look. (pause) I wanna take you with me, but I don’t wanna watch TV, and I don’t wanna ‘hang out.’ You understand?
Her: Yeah.
Me: Are you sure?
Her: (slutty smile on face) Yeah.
Me: Let’s go.

I took the girls hand and started for the door. She obediently followed. I opened the club door to the street and felt the fresh downtown night air on my face. I was already smug, high on the knowledge that within fifteen minutes I would be balls deep in my prize. Then suddenly I was stopped in my tracks. I felt resistance and turned to see the girl’s two fat friends (I swear those bitches came out of nowhere) holding her left hand, literally anchoring her to the floor. I was given the standard “It’s girl’s night out and she’s leaving with us” refrain. I tried to smooth the situation over but the hogs were having none of it. The girls was embarrassed and sulked back with her hog friends, destined for a night of non-stop clamjamming.

Lesson learned: Go direct and escalate fast if you get strong distance eye contact. This is doubly true if the girl appears alone, tipsy, and it’s late into the night. Just beware of gorilla cockblockers in the mist and have an aware wingman who isn’t afraid to do a little poaching.

“I was already smug, high on the knowledge that within fifteen minutes I would be balls deep in my prize. Then suddenly I was stopped in my tracks. I felt resistance and turned to see the girl’s two fat friends (I swear those bitches came out of nowhere) holding her left hand, literally anchoring her to the floor.”

I knew a guy way back in Ireland, who was a master player – known to friends as “The Fox”. He picks up this 18 yo hottie in a bar and they are about to leave and go back to his place to chill and listen to some music, but her 16 yo sister insisted she not do this. So what does he do? He says to the younger sister, that it’s cool, she can come along too. They listened to a little music, then he nailed both of them…

Some great advice and words of truth from American swimmer Ryan Lochte!

“American swimmer Ryan Lochte has become a heartthrob over the past few months, but according to his mother anyone trying to lock him into a relationship will probably be left disappointed.

Lochte’s mother Ike told Today that her son focuses so much on his career that he doesn’t have time for a girlfriend. She said the following:

“He goes out on one-night stands. He’s not able to give fully to a relationship because he’s always on the go.”

This report comes after an interview in Women’s Health when Lochte revealed that the most attractive thing about a woman is keeping a “fit body,” and that his celebrity crush is Carmen Electra.

Lochte also claims he mostly sleeps naked, prefers sex with the lights on, and when he sees a woman he wants to meet he makes eye contact and will, “give a wink and come back later because it keeps her thinking.”

So ladies, don’t try to pin Lochte down, he’s just got too much going on for you. But, you know, if you’re down for a one-nighter, he might be too. If you see him wink in your direction you just might have a chance.”

I am listening to Terri Gross on NPR right now. Terri is a fine interviewer, but today, she is interviewing Caitlan Moran, a British columnist and feminist. This interview, and every interview I’ve heard with a so-called feminist in recent years, confirms the following: almost without exception, they are, or used to be one of the following: fat, ugly, ignored, poorly adjusted, or lesbian. They are also full of contradictions (which they invariably celebrate) and exhibit fatal logical flaws in their thinking. I cannot think of a normal, well-adjusted, pretty, and feminine woman who gives more than polite lip service to feminism. Feminism, which claims to speak for all women, has been coopted by a minority of unfit women, who think they are far smarter than they really are.

I’ve visited there a couple of times, and the eye contact culture — especially in the milongas, where the tango is danced — is craaaaaazy. I’ve noticed men’s burning gazes, even as another man.

For a woman, making a single fleeting glance carries a world of permission. It’s a signal to come over and dance with her for the next twenty minutes. And tango, of course, is like vertical clothed sex.

This tradition carries over into the bars, restaurants, schools, sidewalks, etc. Guys approach girls like mad. There is no distinction between daygame and nightgame. It’s all the same to them.

As a result, single girls often avoid eye contact with men, and will even shrink back during a first kiss. (Roosh discusses this in one of his books.) In fact, there’s a slang word, piropo, to indicate this aggressive flirting on the street. Men perform it like a sport. They make kissyface, funny comments, leers, etc.

However, since virtually all the men do this, the techniques lose their power. Women view the piropo as complimentary but annoying. (They’ve also learned to expect their men to cheat. The bar is really, really low for male sexual behavior.)

Summary: Argentina is a country of alphas. The males fix everybody with intense gazes.

If you have a brain and can pass a drug test and background check and don’t mind real work, in South Texas the oil field and petrochem industries and trucking for the oil boom are begging for qualified folks. Six week course at the local juco and the willingness to put in long hours starts out with a oil hauling firm at 50K w/ benefits.

Eye contact game. Catch her looking at you. Hold her stare. Look down, slowly, scope her body up and down, and let her see you doing this. Only then do you disengage. Do this three times, then approach.

It’s a non-verbal showing a position of power but has to be done properly.

If you hold eye contact, you can obviously increase the stress of the woman. The right amount of stress leads to her excitement (tingles), but too much stress can put her off (making you TOO high status). A comical intervention can bring her stress level down to acceptable levels.

Sometimes just a small smile is enough to get her smiling. The tongue may get her laughing, which can work as long as you hold frame.

As a sociopath, the easiest way to get laid is the sustained eye contact. I’ve stared into a slut’s soul and merely walked up to her to end up hooking up with her without a single word being exchanged. I tend to do this when I’m “chemically influenced” but girls can just “feel/smell” my type and tend to reciprocate my intense eye contact.