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Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

Smits was so tall. He gave problems to everybody he played against. Even Shak had trouble shooting over him.
He was also (off the top of my head) the best 7' all mid range shooter I've ever seen... until Dirk (tho I suspect Dirk is 6 10 1/2 ish).

That being said, Roy surpassed Rik's overall game influence - at least since the time of last years playoffs. Not since Mutumbo (or that thick monster in D town... that I'm too drunk to name) has anyone so discouraged activity in the paint. It is a beautiful thing! Ewing and ZO Had similar defensive prowess. And that was in a fine age of balanced physical ball.

Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

Ref Obstructs Indiana's George Hill on a Fast Break
Throughout the baseball season we heard too many reports about umpires admitting they messed up the next day. It's happened too many times during the current NFL season too. How about the NBA season? Can it escape the gaffes that the other major sports have had?

Indiana's George Hill would say no after Wednesday night's game against the Miami Heat:

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Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

Somebody explain what this paragraph from Windhorst on ESPN means:

The Heat are so modern with their multi-position, centerless attack that values creating turnovers more than rebounds and efficient shots more than even wide-open inefficient ones. They seem to ignore all their opponents, even when they're successful. They stick to the boring script when it comes to their true motivations, wanting their actions to settle things.

Literally, none of the three sentences make sense.

Bosh has a good quote though:

Or, as Chris Bosh said before the game: "It's hard to play like there's no tomorrow when, you know, there is."

Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

It started the last 90 sec. of first half.
OH MY GOD!! If our guys actually learn how to pass vs pressure, it won't be a game. Hill and George were not ready to play. Pacers were totally surprised by double teams and tried to DRIBBLE against it for some unknown reason. Big Roy and DWest kept us in the game until everyone else woke up. That's what great teams do though. Someone picks up the slack. One or two guys don't have to do it every minute of every game.

Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

You see, even before they lost to the Heat in seven games in the 2013 Eastern Conference finals, and especially after, the Pacers have openly displayed an obsession toward the Heat that rivals the creepiest work Kathy Bates, Glenn Close and Jennifer Jason Leigh have done on screen. So it continued after their Tuesday shootaround, when Roy Hibbert acknowledged he was "pretty amped up about this game," Paul George admitted that he had Miami on his mind during all his summer training, Lance Stephenson characterized the evening's affair as a "championship game" four times in 47 seconds and Vogel repeated his oft-stated goal of earning the No. 1 seed to avoid another Game 7 in South Florida.

What did Chris Bosh think of all this emphasis on a single contest in December?

"It’s not a championship game," Bosh said. "It’s the 21st game for us. We’re trying to wrap up this road trip. Championship game, there is no tomorrow. It’s very tough to play like there’s no tomorrow when there is."

He expressed his certainty that "they circled this date on the calendar a long time ago."

So when did he?

"Yesterday."

Then he left to take what he called "the Super Bowl of naps."

That season includes three more meetings between the team, the next coming next Wednesday in Miami.

Apparently, many players are aware of that encounter. West revealed as much when asked if the Heat respected Indiana.

"I think so," West said. "We play one another, we know we're going to get their best shot, they know they're going to get our best shot. Guys are already out there talking about next week. So it is what it is."

Who?

"Everybody. Everybody."

He smiled.

"We know that's a game on our schedule," West said. "We talk about being better on the road. That's a game that we have circled. Quite sure they have it circled as well."

Eh, probably not 'til Tuesday.

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Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

It started the last 90 sec. of first half.
OH MY GOD!! If our guys actually learn how to pass vs pressure, it won't be a game. Hill and George were not ready to play. Pacers were totally surprised by double teams and tried to DRIBBLE against it for some unknown reason. Big Roy and DWest kept us in the game until everyone else woke up. That's what great teams do though. Someone picks up the slack. One or two guys don't have to do it every minute of every game.

If the Pacers offense ever learned to move without the ball in order to improve spacing or open a passing lane, that would help immensely.

We seem to get very bogged down, even when a defender leaves to double or trap we don't take advantage and try to improve the angles. We just stay in place hoping the play will get back on track.

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Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

If the Pacers offense ever learned to move without the ball in order to improve spacing or open a passing lane, that would help immensely.

We seem to get very bogged down, even when a defender leaves to double or trap we don't take advantage and try to improve the angles. We just stay in place hoping the play will get back on track.

I think they were trying to exploit match-ups instead of ball movement and player movement. That didn't work did it? And our passing??!! OMG, we just throw it and hope. I don't know if that is not respecting the defense, lack of concentration or just a lack of actual passing ability.

Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

If I never hear the phrase, "Statement game" again it will be too soon. I personally think that phrase is 100% meaningless. Why so much of the discussion is about a meaningless phrase is beyond me. Sad thing is there are so many interesting actual basketball things to discuss about the heat vs pacers matchup.

I get that, but I'm sick of hearing people downplay the importance of that game too. Call it a statement game, call it whatever you want, but that game was huge. From a purely statistical viewpoint that game was only slightly more important than beating the bobcats, but for morale, momentum and for the fans, it was much much bigger.

Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

What idiots. Yup, the heat clearly just came out and just kinda went through the motions last night...

They've certainly given the air of not caring. IF they are to be believed that this is "just another game" to them, maybe they should have tried a little harder to make it "just another win" instead of "a loss to the first place team, which pushes us that much further out of first".

Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

I think they were trying to exploit match-ups instead of ball movement and player movement. That didn't work did it? And our passing??!! OMG, we just throw it and hope. I don't know if that is not respecting the defense, lack of concentration or just a lack of actual passing ability.

Yeah. I don't understand how you can exploit match-ups when you let the negative mismatch dictate the next step in the play (i.e. you get a guy free on a double or a mismatch on the switch but the guy doubled/trapped/fighting a mismatch of his own is left to hang out there). Sometimes you have to help facilitate the passer.

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Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

If the Pacers offense ever learned to move without the ball in order to improve spacing or open a passing lane, that would help immensely.

We seem to get very bogged down, even when a defender leaves to double or trap we don't take advantage and try to improve the angles. We just stay in place hoping the play will get back on track.

Agreed, we are terrible at giving passers good passing angles. Even in out of bounds plays, especially on the baseline, we always seem to have trouble getting the ball in cause we have terrible spacing and all we don't do anything but run to a point then not move around much. I'm surprised we haven't been called for 5 seconds yet on those.

Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

btw, last nights game set the viewers record for NBAtv. Pretty impressive when you consider that NONE of those in the Indianapolis market saw it on there.

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Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

Damn, those Pacers sure can't draw the TV ratings. Good decision on keeping them off of national TV NBA, good decision.

I honestly have no idea why every Pacers-Heat game is no on national TV. Are the networks and NBA blind to the fact that people love to watch big rivalries. It doesn't matter the market size of the two teams involved, these rivalry games always get a huge turnout.

Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

I honestly have no idea why every Pacers-Heat game is no on national TV. Are the networks and NBA blind to the fact that people love to watch big rivalries. It doesn't matter the market size of the two teams involved, these rivalry games always get a huge turnout.

Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

Damn, those Pacers sure can't draw the TV ratings. Good decision on keeping them off of national TV NBA, good decision.

Hey now, at least we have a Christmas Day game coming up. I just read that 10 teams play on Christmas, so I'm sure that the Pacers are easily one of those 10 since they made the Final 4 last year and took the Heat to 7, right? They gotta be.

God this league is an all out joke when it comes to giving teams national exposure. We helped set the NBA TV record, yet the NBA didn't think that a Heat-Pacers ABC game was worth their time?

Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

What idiots. Yup, the heat clearly just came out and just kinda went through the motions last night...

Maybe it's their non-chalant way at looking at all their regular season games since they simply "flip the switch" during the Playoffs.....but that just seems to be the way that the Heat are. They have the luxury of having the Best Player in the NBA and doing this. Whereas the Pacers are in a different position.....they want to win every game to make a real run at home court advantage. Add in that this is a game against their perceived rival and you know which Team is taking this game seriously.

Just watch...if we end up losing next weeks road game....the Heat won't respond with their "it's just another Team/Game" approach to the game ( just like it was for this last game ), they will be all like "We are the champs and we were sick and tired of hearing that they were the Best Team in the League". Whereas the Pacers will do the exact opposite and downplay the importance of the game.

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Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

I'm over the whole "not on national TV" thing. If the execs don't want to show the Pacers, then screw em (although I personally prefer that we not have a Christmas Day game, I don't like the idea of having to bring in staff to work that day, plus I can't make the game without being kicked out of the will again ).

We ALL know what happens when our fans adopt the "**** the world" stance and just go nuts for the Pacers, there is NO fanbase that can compete with just how INSANE Bankers Life Fieldhouse becomes.

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Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

It's beautiful to see a great home court advantage again. That crowd seemed so loud and intense last night. The Pacers are once again a "cool" thing to do again.

I think this is a really key point, and why I think this was such a huge win.

When I was growing up in Indiana (esp. 80s-early 90s) there was just this vibe that our pro sports teams just weren't "cool." No one said it that way but it seemed like the popular kid at school would be wearing the Jordan jersey and one of the nerdy kids maybe had a Pacers baseball cap. Colts were the same to a different extent. They just didn't resonate with the local culture that well it felt like. Like you didn't want to "be seen" as a fan of that team, they were the nerd teams. Not sure if this is making any sense but that was the underlying impression I had growing up in jr. high and high school in the 80s/90s (of course I was a nerd so I was both a Pacers and Colts fan early on .

That seemed to change with the Pacers in the early 90s, first with the Celtics playoff series, then exploding with the 94 playoff run, and later with the Colts in the late Harbaugh era into the Peyton Manning era. But it took time and for years and years felt very fragile to me, like if the Colts or Pacers had a few bad years it would all go away.

I don't live in Indy anymore but when I left in 2006 there was still a post-brawl malaise/resignation happening, and the off-court incidents first turned folks away and then the JOB era made the Pacers "uncool" again.

Now even here in SF people at my office today I overheard different people talking about last night's Pacers-Heat game. My coworkers are jealous and awed that I drafted PG and Hibbert for my fantasy team (I'm killing BTW, as soon as Michael-Carter Williams comes back . The Pacers are an actual "cool" team, which I don't think was true even last year until possibly the very last games of the ECF.

Of course that comes with bandwagon fans and all that, but if that's your worst problem as a fan you are in great shape my friend.

This current run is finally, I think, healing whatever post-brawl damage had been done to the team's fanbase, at least on a national level. I would think that wins like this one are really really important in solidifying the locals who are paying attention right now to be longer-term, more hardcore fans.

Re: Pacers/Heat Postgame Thread 12/10/13

I'm over the whole "not on national TV" thing. If the execs don't want to show the Pacers, then screw em (although I personally prefer that we not have a Christmas Day game, I don't like the idea of having to bring in staff to work that day, plus I can't make the game without being kicked out of the will again ).

We ALL know what happens when our fans adopt the "**** the world" stance and just go nuts for the Pacers, there is NO fanbase that can compete with just how INSANE Bankers Life Fieldhouse becomes.

But it doesn't screw them. It screws the Pacers. They're going to get their pudding, with or without the Pacers. But the more the Pacers are on national TV, the more they grow their brand.

What if someone from a school of business or management school were to ask, How did you do this? How did you get the Pacers turned around? Is there a general approach you've taken that can be summarized?