read on...read on...to Ecc 12;7....and the dust returns to the ground it came from[mere dirt] AND THE SPIRIT RETURNS TO GOD WHO GAVE IT...

I AM RETURNING TO MY FATHER AND YOU FATHER.......from now on call no man your father on earth

"THE SPIRIT" it has been brought up before, I understand this "spirit" to be the "breath of life," of Genesis 2:7 God gave us the breath to become a living soul, when we die/quit breathing, our body returns to dust and that breath, the Creator takes back to Himself until the resurrection, that "breath of life," is held in His "time," UNTIL it is needed for His purpose.

I get weary that the Word of God is doubted by those who cannot or will not accept that we will and must die. Our body returns to dust[that body/flesh is in the grave...awaiting] and the very breath that He gave man returns to Him[this is not the spirit as a single soul] He is the Father of spirits, Adam was formed from the dust and the Lord God put the breath of life into that formed clay that adam would be able to carry out God's plan and purpose. Man did not receive a "spirit" but "breath" to become alive as the first human being.

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Mic 7:8 Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

sheila, so it seems you're suggesting the spirit is something different than "just" breath, and is living in a different realm, as the body returns to dust...

micah, you may have addressed this before, if you have forgive me, and i'll be brief;

how do you address in John 11 when Jesus said "and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?"

thanks!

Jab, are you alive through Christ, all who believe in Jesus are alive. Should we be of the chosen, the sons of God, manifested, those who are called the Overcomer we will not die to the ages; and will be there to judge(1Cor.6:2) Still, as adam/mankind/human beings, we all have sinned and come short. Rom 3:23 for all did sin, and are come short of the glory of God-- This being true, and I believe it to be a truth, and if so, then we(all of mankind) must pay for the our wages of our sins. And that debt is death. The Lord God said it in Genesis 2 and and Jesus said, Joh 12:24 verily, verily, I say to you, if the grain of the wheat, having fallen to the earth, may not die, itself remaineth alone; and if it may die, it doth bear much fruit;

We will die IN Him and we will live In Him; In Him we live! Yet we must pay the wage. Jesus showed us the way. Jesus said said, I lay my life down to die, no one takes it from me, so it is with the sons we lay our life down should we believe we will live. I understand it, I get it. Since I came to understand that EVERYTHING that orthodox religion brings forth and teaches is in error of the truth.

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Mic 7:8 Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

"For in Adam all die…" (I Cor. 15:22.) What then is the only hope of ALL believers who die in Adam? Why the resurrection from the dead, of course. Pathetically and ironically, what most Christians consider a totally useless doctrine, Paul tells us is our only hope of ever living again after we die.

So do we enter eternal life upon death, as Christendom teaches? NO, let's read it:

"So also is the resurrection of the DEAD [notice please, that nowhere in Scripture does it speak of the Christian doctrine of the resurrection of the LIVING, or of the resurrection of the BODY], it is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a SPIRITUAL body… the first Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam [that would be Jesus] was made a quickening [living] SPIRIT" (I Cor. 15:42-46)

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Mic 7:8 Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

[notice please, that nowhere in Scripture does it speak of the Christian doctrine of the resurrection of the LIVING, or of the resurrection of the BODY]

I've already given you tons of scripture that speak of both, so don't ask me why, but I'll give you one more.

And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. [Rom 8:23]

We are already saved [sealed with the earnest of the Spirit as a down payment] and will receive the last piece, our glorified bodies, at the end of the age [the Last day]. Until then, we will be alive with Christ.

"I've already given you tons of scripture that speak of both, so don't ask me why, but I'll give you one more."

You have given me NONE that would deny the very Word of God. You may say and interpret a verse to make you feel secure, but the Word of God says Gen 2:17 Yet from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you are not to be eating from it, for in the day you eat from it, to die shall you be dying. you speak of the Word of God in the OT as something you can throw aside when it fits your will and understanding. We can talk all day about this "spiritual death," which I believe with my whole heart, but that will not stop man from his end. For it is by dying that the wages of his sin is payed. Jesus died for the SIN of the world, He did not die your death.The wages of your sin is death. If the "spiritual death" of which you speak and I believe in, is the payment for your sins, thenPaul was far from the course of the Gospel.The old man is dead, crucified with Christ, but you are a human being flesh and blood and flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of heaven. Just how is your BODY of FLESH AND BLOOD ABLE TO ENTER THAT SANCTUARY?

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Mic 7:8 Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

Just how is your BODY of FLESH AND BLOOD ABLE TO ENTER THAT SANCTUARY?

Micah, I know what it says in Gen 2. But that is the beginning of the story. We've come a ways since then, don't you think? Or in other words,

I have already died in Christ and was buried with him and raised with him and am now seated with him in the heavenlies. This is the gift he's given his people. And, one day, the gift will be completed with redemption of my body.

Because of what Christ did, I can boldly go before the throne of God, through a new and living way. If that's not the sanctuary, the holy of holies, I don't know what is.

22But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

24And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

25See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

To those on both "sides" (understanding) of this (and the similar John 11:26 thread) topic;

what do you believe Jesus' death did for us?

Jesus' death... paid the price for your resurrection from the dead! As the wages of sin is death,... so if you actually lived on after death in a unbody state. Then the debt has not been paid as you never died, just your body! Jesus did not die for your physical body to be raised! He died for your sinning soul! YOU! Your mind and thoughts to continue to exist in a new spiritual body!

I read the saul witch story and noticed that the sons also go the the same place as Samuel was in, I think the kingdom of hades, but maybe inside Abrahams bosom, maybe the gentiles go the other compartment, or perhaps this is the difference. That Israelites continue to live in hades, but non Israelites are not close enough to God to receive live energy and thus do not have life at all and thus do not know anything. In fact the scriptures often makes statements which do not apply to the Isrealites, e.g No man seeeketh the Lord, not one, but yet the prophets did seek the Lord.