Giving up at an early age because of no motivation(IEI)

Will it lead to happiness? Will it lead to more growth? Will less pain occur? What are the consequences of giving up? Is giving up a shit thing to do? Am I even more of a hypocrite for preaching not to give up and then abruptly give up myself? Is 18 too late(I think so)? Are ideals something an individual needs to keep up? Do questions lead to something? Is there anything to speed up growth? Is patience an ability worth thinking about?

Giving up has so far been weird, I think 1 month ago I was like no, none of that, I'm being more realistic and enough is enough. So far not really any positive results of giving up. Oh dear.

I hope everyone succeeds btw y'all deserve better and should strive for better and improvement.

Happiness is something we should all strive to go towards. There is always a way remember that. I'm talking about day to day happiness, I think it's possible. World peace doesn't come through hate but it comes through love and appreciation of individuals.

I'm not sure exactly what situation you are describing since you don't give any details (not that you have to, it just makes it easier to solve problems when you give examples of what you mean), but I'll try and answer your questions one by one.

Originally Posted by LeaderLightChange

Will it lead to happiness?

Giving up on? On life? No.

Will it lead to more growth?

No.

Will less pain occur?

At first, yes. But in the long run, it will cause more pain.

What are the consequences of giving up?

I know people who have no ambitions, often they end up living with their folks at 45+. Usually not because the system sucks, though that's a factor that de-incentivizes ambition, it's not the point because it is still totally possible to realize one's ambitions in today's society. The people I'm talking about have no goals, no horizons. I'm gonna let you imagine what these people will do once their parents are gone.

Is giving up a shit thing to do?

No, not in a moral sense, but it will lead you into a shit situation.

Am I even more of a hypocrite for preaching not to give up and then abruptly give up myself?

No, not at all, you can just be going through a rough patch right now.

Is 18 too late(I think so)?

It's never too late to do anything. Unless you're dead. 18 is very young. You have your whole life ahead of you.

Are ideals something an individual needs to keep up?

It's good to be realistic about what you can do, what you're good at, what your strengths and weaknesses are etc. I don't think it's good to cling to an ideal, as you'll waste alot of energy trying to maintain an internal state of mind, when what really matters is what happens outside of your self, in reality. If an ideal really appeals to you, I find there is no point in clinging to it anyways, as it appeals to something deep inside you, so it will always come back to you. Don't cling to an internal state, this is something I have trouble with as well.

Do questions lead to something?

You have to find your own answers. Others can give you some pointers, but in the end you have to see what makes sense to you.

Is there anything to speed up growth? Is patience an ability worth thinking about?

I prefer perseverence to patience. Patience seems kinda passive. Perseverence has an implication of working actively towards something, pateince can be waiting for money to rain from the sky for all I can tell.

I don't know what you mean by "speeding up growth". Growth of what?

Giving up has so far been weird, I think 1 month ago I was like no, none of that, I'm being more realistic and enough is enough. So far not really any positive results of giving up. Oh dear.

It isn't clear to me what problem you're describing exactly as you don't get into the specifics of what your goals were and why you gave up on them etc.

Hope that helps. Btw, I can't spoonfeed you the answers, just explain from my perspective since I am older and that probably counts for something. It's up to you to make sense of it all.

I'm not sure exactly what situation you are describing since you don't give any details (not that you have to, it just makes it easier to solve problems when you give examples of what you mean), but I'll try and answer your questions one by one.

Giving up on? On life? No.

No.

At first, yes. But in the long run, it will cause more pain.

I know people who have no ambitions, often they end up living with their folks at 45+. Usually not because the system sucks, though that's a factor that de-incentivizes ambition, it's not the point because it is still totally possible to realize one's ambitions in today's society. The people I'm talking about have no goals, no horizons. I'm gonna let you imagine what these people will do once their parents are gone.

No, not in a moral sense, but it will lead you into a shit situation.

No, not at all, you can just be going through a rough patch right now.

It's never too late to do anything. Unless you're dead. 18 is very young. You have your whole life ahead of you.

It's good to be realistic about what you can do, what you're good at, what your strengths and weaknesses are etc. I don't think it's good to cling to an ideal, as you'll waste alot of energy trying to maintain an internal state of mind, when what really matters is what happens outside of your self, in reality. If an ideal really appeals to you, I find there is no point in clinging to it anyways, as it appeals to something deep inside you, so it will always come back to you. Don't cling to an internal state, this is something I have trouble with as well.

You have to find your own answers. Others can give you some pointers, but in the end you have to see what makes sense to you.

I prefer perseverence to patience. Patience seems kinda passive. Perseverence has an implication of working actively towards something, pateince can be waiting for money to rain from the sky for all I can tell.

I don't know what you mean by "speeding up growth". Growth of what?

It isn't clear to me what problem you're describing exactly as you don't get into the specifics of what your goals were and why you gave up on them etc.

Hope that helps. Btw, I can't spoonfeed you the answers, just explain from my perspective since I am older and that probably counts for something. It's up to you to make sense of it all.

Thanks a lot I needed that perspective
Maybe I should keep up my ambition your right with the examples thanks

I was going to say that giving up is worse than death, the thing is one can stop giving up. Death is more permanent, well if you're not a zombie at least!
Even zombies are successfull at not being dead, if a zombie can stop giving up so can everyone else.

"The society that separates its scholars from its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards and its fighting by fools." ―Thucydides

The best way to get motivated imo is to dedicate some time to look for things to want to have. Read some magazines/internet articles featuring cool gadgets, places to travel, or whatever kind of stuff that floats your boat and would require some effort to get.

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Will it lead to happiness? Will it lead to more growth? Will less pain occur? What are the consequences of giving up? Is giving up a shit thing to do? Am I even more of a hypocrite for preaching not to give up and then abruptly give up myself? Is 18 too late(I think so)? Are ideals something an individual needs to keep up? Do questions lead to something? Is there anything to speed up growth? Is patience an ability worth thinking about?

I know an IEI 4w5 with 9w1 and mb 6 in her tritype and this describes pretty much her approach to life. I see she needs desperately some Se in her life to move up, to force her to think different or consider something more than her Ni, though, she's not going to seek a partner because for what for. I think its a pretty negativist/close minded and infertile way of living (no offense intended ofc, its just my opinion/perspective from observing it my whole life). Freya is probably right and its linked to depression. Imo, this IEI I'm talking about is not truly depressed, I think she's just emotionally conflicted (as usual in some e4) and has a truly neglected suggestive element (Se), to me, take life through this approach seems more a mechanism of defense to evade responsibility than a true solution.