The above is an interesting read. These simi-new bullet designs are a engineering marval IMO. I still have a grunch of the ORIGIONAL "Black Talon's".(the real ones,not the Rangers or SXT's or whatever else that they called them after the liberal press jumped their a$$) I have killed deer in Maine with the excellent .44 Mag. loading(250gr.) Out of my Desert Eagle with the bullet cutting a rib going in,it still took both lungs and the top of the heart and exited the far side leaving a hole that I could just barely put three fingers in. This deer was a 241lbs. field dressed. Probably 265 live weight. The .45ACP loading is what I carry in my 3" Kimber for CCW. It is a fairly hot load but can still double tap,multiple targets,spaced 5ft.apart with great accuracy. The reverse tapered jacket was(is) great for penetration. I still have my doubts as to weather the Starefires,GoldDots,Hydra-Shocks,Golden Sabers,etc.,etc.,will penetrate to my satisfaction. But that's another debate that is best not rehashed. We each have our own opinions. And we all know what opinions are like.--------

June 26th, 2005, 02:37 PM

Euclidean

Yes they're amazing. But I'm not terribly excited, and do you know why?

They'll be banned or restricted to law enforcement like so many other good loads, us peasants will never see them, end of story. :mad:

June 26th, 2005, 03:10 PM

rocky

Not sure if they make em for handguns yet, but the Barnes X bullet seem pretty good for performance. All copper , with no lead. It expands and has sharp edges all over for more damage.

Iíve fired several different handgun loads, through pine boards and denim into water jugs, in an attempt to clog the hollow point and make them not expand. Most hollow points clogged with wood and denim fibers, turning them effectively into FMJ like projectiles. I was tring to see for myself the validity of other test results from gun magazines and the internet. These EFMJ bullets flattened out every time. I had trouble feeding them in a 45 ACP colt 1911 which is why I donít used them but they feed well in 40 S&W Sigs, Glocks , and my XD40. Iíve found the flatter nose bullets, like these EFMJ, tend to not feed well in 1911ís.

July 6th, 2005, 10:13 AM

Rob72

Quote:

Originally Posted by rocky

Not sure if they make em for handguns yet, but the Barnes X bullet seem pretty good for performance. All copper , with no lead. It expands and has sharp edges all over for more damage.

Barnes does make a .44mag 300 gr. hunting round. Don't know that it would be too impressive below .45 cal, since you would want high-speed and a big "mouth" (aka Speer's "flying ashcan") to open up reliably.