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Originally posted by Tamanous

Originally posted by RocketeerI don't see whats the big deal with spending a couple hundred bucks on a video game, i do however see the deal with getting very bad value for your money. For me the problem is that these cash shops are usually very bad value, you can spend 200 bucks and still have a crippled game, albeit with fancy clothes, buffs, pets and mounts galore.

The value has yet to be seen. There hasn't been enough time for development since the team changes and the influx of money from teh cartel market. Keeping to their 6 week content schedule and the quality of the expansion will show us if there is indeed an impact. I hope there is but if their isn't the proof will be shown soon enough.

This game requires both end game and lateral content expansion and soon but I also would like to remind everyone that a game out their called Wow raked in far far FAR more cash than Swtor has and over the years put out laughable amounts of content compared to the revenue flow. Where did all that money go? Where did the tens of millions a month (hell maybe even weeks) go in Wow? Why did players have to wait 2 years for expansions, up to a year for major class issues to be addressed and long months between minor content patches? Wow has been out for years and only now Blizzard finally makes promises to push out regular and frequent patches. Hell they don't even pump out that many other games either.

If Bioware keeps to their 6 week schedule and an expansion yearly with even questionable content size it would still double the output Blizzard put in the first few years of their game (all the while ignoring vanilla Wow cotent until a total remake wiped it all out).

Rift may be seen as the content king with even smaller income but only creates greater contrast between Swtor and Wow if there is any proof in the pudding at all between now and March. I'll be highly critical of Bioware if I don't like the quality and size of content but the greater question in my mind is:

Where the f$ck did all the money go from Wow over the years? Why the f$ck don't players question it as much? Why the f$ck did the company who had the greatest golden egg in gaming have to sell out to Activision, have constant delays putting out more or less copy and paste games they previously put out and still not keep up with content other mmo developers can do with a fraction of the budget?

Bioware spent their money poorly but Blizzard? Where the hell did that money even go?

Let me let you in on a secret. WoW only has 160 developers. Yes, that's less than Guild Wars 2, less than Aion in Korea, and probably around the same as SWTOR has left now that ey've cut their team down from 400 after the layoffs.

A game that could easily support a thousand devs without eating too much into activision's profit has only 160.

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I've been a subscriber since launch, and I haven't spent a dime in the Cartel shop...only my "free" coins. I've bought some legacy unlocks and a set of the lvl 31 armor for an alt with those coins. I hate HATE gambling boxes and keep hoping people wise up and stop buying those, but to no avail. I am glad that I've only seen one frickin Christmas tree speeder on my server.

If anything, the Cartel market is getting even more money grubbing. They went from a set of purp modded lvl 31 armor for 1200 CCs to lvl 1 armor with no mods for 1200 CCs to now lvl 1 armor with no mods for 1440 (IIRC) CCs. Of course now you have the P2W space ship parts, and if they sell, we'll probably see other end game gear in the shop soon.

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if they made such a big pile of cash with cartel,,why charge for makeb?

this content has been in the pipe for a very long time now,,but suddenly ALL have to pay real $

this looks like the last moneygrab, before skipping town

and even if that isnt enough,,soon disney will be knocking on the door for their cut

now that disney owns the IP, they will prolly have a hard look at what theyre getting from EA, contra

what they can do themselves,,also to protect the IP from further harm

Makeb was free when it was on a sub-model.

SWTOR is now on a F2P model so not sure why charging for Makeb is surprising.

it still is a sub model with f2p so the subbers should have got it for nothing..dont think they do though..cost $10 if pre-ordered

Also keep in mind that the subscriber pre-ordering price of $9.99 expires January 7th, then jumps to the regular price of $19.99. I also feel that subscribers should be getting Makeb for free - especially considering how thin the content updates have been for the last year.

Subscribers make up the majority of players in SWTOR, so it should come as no surprise that the target sonsumers will be the already paying, subscribing players. Bioware will wring out every loose nickle it can from those all too willing to pay more.

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Originally posted by jpnz

Originally posted by simpliusif they made such a big pile of cash with cartel,,why charge for makeb?this content has been in the pipe for a very long time now,,but suddenly ALL have to pay real $this looks like the last moneygrab, before skipping townand even if that isnt enough,,soon disney will be knocking on the door for their cutnow that disney owns the IP, they will prolly have a hard look at what theyre getting from EA, contrawhat they can do themselves,,also to protect the IP from further harm

Makeb was free when it was on a sub-model.SWTOR is now on a F2P model so not sure why charging for Makeb is surprising.

not surprising..ure right

my point was this,,if CC had given them such a big earning, they wouldnt need to charge for makeb though

in fact they would have saved themselves from A LOT of bad PR by not charging

but apparently , they still NEED that 10-20$ extra income,,would that be the case , if CC was doing so well?

They charged for it because they could. If all companies only charged what they needed to charge for stuff, the world would be a much cheaper place to live.

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None will get reinvested, they have huuuuuuuuuge debt to service and interests arent going down.

Truly, we are fortunate to be graced by so many with insider knowledge of EA's financials and business plans.

Care to share some specifics, please -- say the size of this 'huuuuuuuuuge debt' and to whom it's owed? You know, the kind of information that's meaningful, verifiable, something beyond the vague claims mindless forum trolls routinely pull out of their arse?

http://ycharts.com/companies/EA/debt_equity_ratio

http://ycharts.com/companies/EA/long_term_debt

Well that proves everything. I'm sure a company that generates revenue in the billions has you on speed dial for financial advice.

Touchy little fellow aren't you, I just provided the figures on EA debt levels as issued BY ea to the markets. If you want more context their debt is 500m, their income is 4b which generated a profit of 78m in 2011/12 which was an improvement on their 10/11 loss of 270m.

i will leave it a financial expert like yourself to provide us with your informed commentary on them.

"It's a sandbox, if you are not willing to create a castle then all you have is sand" - jtcgs

None will get reinvested, they have huuuuuuuuuge debt to service and interests arent going down.

Truly, we are fortunate to be graced by so many with insider knowledge of EA's financials and business plans.

Care to share some specifics, please -- say the size of this 'huuuuuuuuuge debt' and to whom it's owed? You know, the kind of information that's meaningful, verifiable, something beyond the vague claims mindless forum trolls routinely pull out of their arse?

http://ycharts.com/companies/EA/debt_equity_ratio

http://ycharts.com/companies/EA/long_term_debt

Well that proves everything. I'm sure a company that generates revenue in the billions has you on speed dial for financial advice.

Touchy little fellow aren't you, I just provided the figures on EA debt levels as issued BY ea to the markets. If you want more context their debt is 500m, their income is 4b which generated a profit of 78m in 2011/12 which was an improvement on their 10/11 loss of 270m.

i will leave it a financial expert like yourself to provide us with your informed commentary on them.