Outhouse Editor

I'm not trying to be difficult here but I myself won't be buying this either. I don't mind spending money usually on a writer that I feel meh to yuch on, but eight dollars is even too pricey for me.

Though last time I looked I'm not on the list either so I think I was excluded for not giving Avengers #19 all tens.

"I wish you enough sun to keep your attitude bright.I wish you enough rain to appreciate the sun more.I wish you enough happiness to keep your spirit alive.I wish you enough pain so that the smallest joys in life appear much bigger.I wish you enough gain to satisfy your wanting.I wish you enough loss to appreciate all that you possess.I wish enough "Hello's" to get you through the final "Good-bye.."

The Red Stands for Irony

The Avengers title has always had a bit of a disjointed feel to it. When the adjectiveless Avengers made a comeback a year and a half ago, it was with the understanding that it'd be the "Big Kids" team that handled the threats the rest of the Marvel Universe couldn't. While the New Avengers were primarily street-level based, the Avengers were supposed to be the premier team. However, Bendis' original line up didn't exactly live up to that standard, with the team completing one adventure before needing to call in the rest of the Marvel world in for assistance. Fear Itself hit the Avengers hard, with two members (not really) dying over the course of the series. Rogers decides to open up another membership drive, which leads to the addition of two new Avengers and one old Avenger. However, the entire issue is very lackadaisical in its approach to the reveal of these new members and highlights the many flaws the series has in comparison to its far stronger sister title, New Avengers.

First, Bendis really mishandles the voices of Storm and Black Panther. Both Storm and BP are regal characters who have a certain air and tone about them. David Liss has captured Black Panther's character excellently in his soon to be ending Black Panther run, even with T'Challa running around New York in an "depowered" state. Unfortunately, Bendis simply treats Black Panther like a commoner and gives the character several cringe-worthy lines of dialogue.

Secondly, the introduction of the "real" Vision is mishandled as well. When we last saw Vision, he was in several pieces in a warehouse somewhere in New York. However, Bendis reveals that Stark has been working on repairing characters for years and magically fixed him last week. Mind you, there's been no hint of this occuring in any Iron Man or Avenger book. One would think that the reintroduction of an Avenger that's been "dead" for almost a decade would merit a little pomp or circumstance, but instead, it's given a page and a half of various characters exchanging quips.

The one saving grace to this issue is the HAMMER subplot and the last page reveal. To be honest, the new and improved HAMMER seems like the type of threats that the Avengers should be facing and the last page has me hopeful that with this mess of an issue, the series will improve in the near future.

The Red Stands for Irony

The Avengers title has always had a bit of a disjointed feel to it. When the adjectiveless Avengers made a comeback a year and a half ago, it was with the understanding that it'd be the "Big Kids" team that handled the threats the rest of the Marvel Universe couldn't. While the New Avengers were primarily street-level based, the Avengers were supposed to be the premier team. However, Bendis' original line up didn't exactly live up to that standard, with the team completing one adventure before needing to call in the rest of the Marvel world in for assistance. Fear Itself hit the Avengers hard, with two members (not really) dying over the course of the series. Rogers decides to open up another membership drive, which leads to the addition of two new Avengers and one old Avenger. However, the entire issue is very lackadaisical in its approach to the reveal of these new members and highlights the many flaws the series has in comparison to its far stronger sister title, New Avengers.

First, Bendis really mishandles the voices of Storm and Black Panther. Both Storm and BP are regal characters who have a certain air and tone about them. David Liss has captured Black Panther's character excellently in his soon to be ending Black Panther run, even with T'Challa running around New York in an "depowered" state. Unfortunately, Bendis simply treats Black Panther like a commoner and gives the character several cringe-worthy lines of dialogue.

Secondly, the introduction of the "real" Vision is mishandled as well. When we last saw Vision, he was in several pieces in a warehouse somewhere in New York. However, Bendis reveals that Stark has been working on repairing characters for years and magically fixed him last week. Mind you, there's been no hint of this occuring in any Iron Man or Avenger book. One would think that the reintroduction of an Avenger that's been "dead" for almost a decade would merit a little pomp or circumstance, but instead, it's given a page and a half of various characters exchanging quips.

The one saving grace to this issue is the HAMMER subplot and the last page reveal. To be honest, the new and improved HAMMER seems like the type of threats that the Avengers should be facing and the last page has me hopeful that with this mess of an issue, the series will improve in the near future.

Staff Writer

I'd say at least a paragraph, and a review must contain at least some indication that you've actually read the comic in question, so no 'meh' or 'this sucked' or 'this was OK'. You actually have to review it, actually have to put some thought into it, otherwise what's the point?

I'd say at least a paragraph, and a review must contain at least some indication that you've actually read the comic in question, so no 'meh' or 'this sucked' or 'this was OK'. You actually have to review it, actually have to put some thought into it, otherwise what's the point?

Son of Stein

Punchy wrote:I'd say at least a paragraph, and a review must contain at least some indication that you've actually read the comic in question, so no 'meh' or 'this sucked' or 'this was OK'. You actually have to review it, actually have to put some thought into it, otherwise what's the point?

The point is, 'your' rule allows for it...

Punchy wrote:Comics are to be scored on a scale from 1-10. 1 being suck, 10 being a damn good comic. Beyond that, there's no right or wrong

Let's repeat that last part... "There's no right or wrong". Guess there is 'wrong' after all.

I did read the book (in store) and the only thing I liked was the art (in particular the painting of the (old) Avengers (the team I much prefer over the current ones)). I've nothing further to add.

Son of Stein

Punchy wrote:I'd say at least a paragraph, and a review must contain at least some indication that you've actually read the comic in question, so no 'meh' or 'this sucked' or 'this was OK'. You actually have to review it, actually have to put some thought into it, otherwise what's the point?

The point is, 'your' rule allows for it...

Punchy wrote:Comics are to be scored on a scale from 1-10. 1 being suck, 10 being a damn good comic. Beyond that, there's no right or wrong

Let's repeat that last part... "There's no right or wrong". Guess there is 'wrong' after all.

I did read the book (in store) and the only thing I liked was the art (in particular the painting of the (old) Avengers (the team I much prefer over the current ones)). I've nothing further to add.

Staff Writer

Let's repeat that last part... "There's no right or wrong". Guess there is 'wrong' after all.

I did read the book (in store) and the only thing I liked was the art (in particular the painting of the (old) Avengers (the team I much prefer over the current ones)). I've nothing further to add.

Did you forget the part about where I said 'unless you disagree with me'? It's partly a joke, but it gives me the latitude to say that reviewing the wrong Avengers #19 or just saying 'meh' isn't good enough.

Let's repeat that last part... "There's no right or wrong". Guess there is 'wrong' after all.

I did read the book (in store) and the only thing I liked was the art (in particular the painting of the (old) Avengers (the team I much prefer over the current ones)). I've nothing further to add.

Did you forget the part about where I said 'unless you disagree with me'? It's partly a joke, but it gives me the latitude to say that reviewing the wrong Avengers #19 or just saying 'meh' isn't good enough.

The Red Stands for Irony

doombug wrote::roll: Just let him write what he wants for a review and put his name on the thing dude, prove that you're willing to work with people that want to join your "new" review group.

To be fair, I began enforcing this rule back when I was tyrant.

I mean, it's kind of disrespectful to expect people to review your pick when you can't be bothered to give it more than three letters worth of time. If Punchy wants to actually raise the bar on what constitutes a "real" review to prevent people from phoning it in in order to save their spot in the rotation, I don't see an issue with it as long as it's consistent and has easy to follow guidelines.

The Red Stands for Irony

doombug wrote::roll: Just let him write what he wants for a review and put his name on the thing dude, prove that you're willing to work with people that want to join your "new" review group.

To be fair, I began enforcing this rule back when I was tyrant.

I mean, it's kind of disrespectful to expect people to review your pick when you can't be bothered to give it more than three letters worth of time. If Punchy wants to actually raise the bar on what constitutes a "real" review to prevent people from phoning it in in order to save their spot in the rotation, I don't see an issue with it as long as it's consistent and has easy to follow guidelines.