Mine are doing great on FROMM- Just changed them to Surf n'Turf Grain Free and all 4 Happy dance at feeding time. Cozy and Lucy are even skinnying out a little. Hopefully soon they will no longer be Porky Yorkies.

I think Genetics plays a giant part in coat quality.

As does whether or when a dog is neutered and grooming. Dogs with guard coats should never be clipped.

Hannah eats Fromm Gold and loves it. We switched her from Three Dog Bakery Adult Chicken a few months ago because her poops were like soft-serve ice cream on that.

We also mix up Honest Kitchen's Perfect Form into a paste with her food - it aids digestion and everything she "leaves outside" is much smaller and firm, so I feel she's really soaking up the good stuff. Her coat is beautiful, too!

I am feeding my puppy (now 6 months old) Fromm Large Breed Puppy food, and his coat is shiny and soft as well. The food is very good and Rusty enjoys it a lot. Once he is older, I will switch to the grain free foods Fromm has etc.

On a side note, I do feed Rusty apples and pears which are some of his favorite treats. I think apples help with a dog's coats if I remember right.

Just wondered why you are waiting to switch your pup to grain-free. My pup has been on FROMM grain-free since I brought him home.

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Fromm makes a solid food but the 4 Star Line is a rip-off. The grain free foods are loaded with powdered, pea protein and very expensive.

The Gold Line is a good solid food as is Fromm Classics.

What's wrong with pea protein? I drink pea protein almost daily in my morning protein shake. Lot's of body builders consume pea protein. Pea Protein contains all the essential amino acids (it's a complete protein source). Animal studies show that it is as high as 97.8% digestibility (90% in humans). I'm not particularly a huge fan of Dr. Mercola but I just grabbed this article for quick reference: Pure Pea Protein Powder | Protein Supplements - Mercola.com

Also, in all of the grain-free formulas, a meat source is listed as the first ingredient; they list pea flour somewhere around the 3rd to 5th ingredient. Most other high quality grain forumula foods list their grains as the 3rd to 5th ingredient. Looks like FROMM uses pea protein in place of grains. I'd much rather my dogs eat highly digestible pea protein over poorly digested grain carbohydrates any day.

Fromm uses Pea Protein instead of meat. It is cheap and consumers accept it but in reality it is just another form of corn gluten or any other vegetable concentrate. Pea Protein has the same or more protein per gram as Chicken, Turkey or Lamb Meal and 3 times the protein of fresh chicken,

Earthborn does the same.

Whose says grains are poorly digested by the way? Can I see any evidence you have?

Fromm lists a water-inclusive meat source ahead of Pea Protein in a few formulas.

Other than Dr. Tims what other brands use chicken or turkey as major protein source with limited grains?

Grains limited how? As a source of calories or source of Protein?

Other than oats, whole grains that you would find in dog food are rather low in protein. Barley is a bit higher than rice or corn. Despite what you read whole corn does not have much protein, but it has some high levels of certain amino acids. Rice is rather low in protein.

Any food with 30% total protein without a vegetable concentrate like corn gluten, wheat gluten, rice gluten, pea protein, potato protein will have about 90% protein from animal sources. Foods with about 25% total protein will have about 80% - 85% total protein from animal sources.

I am assuming these examples have meat protein, fish protein and egg protein. Dried egg is very light and often shows up lower in the list but still provides very high levels of protein.

If you are looking for brands that are have low total carbohydrate and are good for most dogs, look at a traditional 30-20 plus or minus type food.

The first too are more expensive on average, but if you can get Annamaet from a trainer, you will find excellent prices, like $1.30lb. Online, pricey but keep in mind Annamaet Ultra comes in 40lb bags, not 25,28,30lb bags.

Dr. Tim's on Petflow in 44lb bags is a real find @ $1.40lb no tax or shipping. Locally Pursuit is $1.75lb plus tax.

Eukanuba Premium is the easiest to get for most people and is a great choice.

So any on that list will have very low carbohydrate, if fact at or lower than Orijen. There are others that have more fat than 20% but I don't think they are good choices for most dogs. The only way to judge any of these levels is by calories. Higher fat foods with 30% protein will have about the same level of carbohydrate as most grain free foods. Just looking at the label doesn't tell you much because you don't know the weights of each ingredients and some ingredients are very light compared to what they provide, like egg.

I went from Fromm Puppy (loose stool) TOTW (Better, but still loose), to Orijen (Did great), but my Leonberger can not have the High protein of the Orijen. So put my GR on Castor and Pollux Organix grain free. He's doing great, loves it and they sell it on base in the commissary for a fraction of the Orijen cost. The only one not happy about it is my local pet store