Brontes:Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

The right to abortion will always be necessary. There will always be mothers who's lives will be endangered due to the continued development of their pregnancy when they are nowhere near an age of theoretical viability. In addition, things like termination and removal of ectopic pregnancies (which would never reach an age of viability because they KILL THE MOTHER BEFOREHAND) are considered abortion to certain national Governments who have banned abortion because of religious groups. In addition, there will always be parents who elect to abort rather than carry to term a child with an unsurvivable genetic or developmental disease, rather than see their newborn suffer and die a slow, agonizing death.

Many on the religious right consider birth control pills and hormonal contraception to be the same as abortion. This is why you'll see people calling the morning after pill an "abortion pill", or accusing people seeking contraceptives to be murderers.

In addition, the religious right has the position that it should be up to the parents and churches to teach sexual education, and the only acceptable method of protection to be taught is abstinence until marriage. Homosexuality and Transgender issues should never be taught, as these are just people who made a sinful lifestyle choice in their eyes.

These people are convinced the bible supports them, and they are executing god's will on earth.

Gecko Gingrich:Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

You seem to be confused as to the position of the religious right, as it relates to the relationship between abortion, sex ed and birth control.

Yeah, I mean, I can't imagine there are many who are opposed to abortion in all cases (even rape/incest), but, are fine with birth control. Basically their position is farking is only for married couples to try to make babies. And then you can just do it for the heck of it once your wife is dried up and can't conceive anymore, but, by then most of them have dumped her for a 30 year old hottie anyway.

...and yet, the churches will double down on the derp and tell us how bad birth control is, and how sinful abortions are, and that condoms are evil, and Jesus will provide for your quiverfull precious babies.

If you are in a recession, you boink more, not less, since other forms of entertainment are reduced. You are also less likely to buy protection since you don't have the cash. Notice, TFA didn't quote any birth control sales numbers.

This reasoning also fails:"Their theory is that some women believe they can't afford to get pregnant."

Well, duh, but that also makes it more likely they would get an abortion if they did get pregnant.

Personally, I do not think there is an easy cause/effect for these figures.

It could simply be the publicity Planned Parenthood got over threatened GOP cuts to their programs at the state and federal level and the whole Susan G, Komen kerfuffle. The more people know about the range of services PP has, the more people use them.

It could be gay marriage.

It could be the release of a few good video games causing unavailability of males for unintended procreation.

Brontes:Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

Once you accept the fact that the religious righties aren't interested in "sanctity of life," or "protecting children," or even "adhering to the teachings of Jesus Christ," and realize they are interested in making sure there will always be lots of people that they can feel morally superior too and ostracize, then it all makes sense.

IlGreven:Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

"Be fruitful and multiply." ~ Gen. 1:28

/That is their answer.

Add in a dash of Psalm 127:2-5 "Children are a heritage from the Lord, offspring a reward from him. Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in one's youth. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them. They will not be put to shame when they contend with their opponents in court.." and you get Quiverfull!

meat0918:IlGreven: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

"Be fruitful and multiply." ~ Gen. 1:28

/That is their answer.

Add in a dash of Psalm 127:2-5 "Children are a heritage from the Lord, offspring a reward from him. Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in one's youth. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them. They will not be put to shame when they contend with their opponents in court.." and you get Quiverfull!

Given that those words were written at a time where the human population is a mere fraction of what it is now, I think the Lord would allow us to take a break.

The reason for the decline wasn't clear, but some experts said it may be due to better use of birth control during tough economic times. Their theory is that some women believe they can't afford to get pregnant.

LoneWolf343:meat0918: IlGreven: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

"Be fruitful and multiply." ~ Gen. 1:28

/That is their answer.

Add in a dash of Psalm 127:2-5 "Children are a heritage from the Lord, offspring a reward from him. Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in one's youth. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them. They will not be put to shame when they contend with their opponents in court.." and you get Quiverfull!

Given that those words were written at a time where the human population is a mere fraction of what it is now, I think the Lord would allow us to take a break.

Hey, he doesn't change his mind!

That's why women have to be kept away from everyone when they're menstruating, shellfish are forbidden, and tattoos are illegal.

Oh, wait, people pick and choose which parts of their fantasy book to follow, so the "be fruitful and multiply" thing could easily be ignored if delusional morons didn't think they had to breed their own cult of Jesus warriors to combat TEH HOMOGAYS and people who think rationally.

BronyMedic:Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

The right to abortion will always be necessary. There will always be mothers who's lives will be endangered due to the continued development of their pregnancy when they are nowhere near an age of theoretical viability. In addition, things like termination and removal of ectopic pregnancies (which would never reach an age of viability because they KILL THE MOTHER BEFOREHAND) are considered abortion to certain national Governments who have banned abortion because of religious groups. In addition, there will always be parents who elect to abort rather than carry to term a child with an unsurvivable genetic or developmental disease, rather than see their newborn suffer and die a slow, agonizing death.

Also, a woman may just decide she doesn't want to have a baby. Doesn't matter what the reason is. So I agree, the right to abortion will always be necessary.

Brontes:Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

Wrong. So very wrong.Birth control is abortion. Condoms, IUD's, spermicides, morning after pills, RU-486, gay sex, sodomy, the regular pill, and a baby killing doctor rooting around with a toilet auger - all of them are murder.

Howerver, vasectomies and blue-colored pills are both parts of God's Plan.

dletter:Gecko Gingrich: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

You seem to be confused as to the position of the religious right, as it relates to the relationship between abortion, sex ed and birth control.

Yeah, I mean, I can't imagine there are many who are opposed to abortion in all cases (even rape/incest), but, are fine with birth control. Basically their position is farking is only for married couples to try to make babies. And then you can just do it for the heck of it once your wife is dried up and can't conceive anymore, but, by then most of them have dumped her for a 30 year old hottie anyway.

I believe Santorum said something close to this. ( I don't remember his exact wording. This year has been filled with derp.)

Brontes:Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

Well the relgious right doesn't want to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Pregnancies are God's way of punishing women for being whores. If they can be free to have sex without pregnancy, then God's will is thwarted or some such garbage.

it's not pro-life, it's pro-punishing women. That's why you can publish all the studies in the world that show that women who have control over their reproduction are happier, healthier, and less prone to poverty and their response would be "So what? they should keep their legs shut".

Brontes:Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

Last week I had to endure the misery of talking to a movement pro-lifer who actually believes that the "rise" in abortions since the 1970s was CAUSED by the availability of birth control. Something to the effect that, when the pill came on the market, women started taking it and having tons and tons of sex for the first time because they thought they were protected. But since the pill is actually VERY unreliable, those women were duped and ended up getting pregnant and having abortions. Ergo, we should forget about contraception altogether and go back to the good ol' days when women just kept their legs shut until their wedding night.

Notabunny:Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

Apparently doctors hate God, or babies, or some damn thing

No prescription or doctor's exam needed: The nation's largest group of obstetricians and gynecologists says birth control pills should be sold over the counter, like condoms.

I'm definitely not opposed to this, but they probably shouldn't sell the once daily one over the counter. That might be to complicated for a lot of people (seriously). Perhaps the patch, or Walgreens should have birth control shot days like they have flu shot days. That would be extremely beneficial to our society and would *actually* be a proactive way to get people out of poverty.

Pincy:BronyMedic: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

The right to abortion will always be necessary. There will always be mothers who's lives will be endangered due to the continued development of their pregnancy when they are nowhere near an age of theoretical viability. In addition, things like termination and removal of ectopic pregnancies (which would never reach an age of viability because they KILL THE MOTHER BEFOREHAND) are considered abortion to certain national Governments who have banned abortion because of religious groups. In addition, there will always be parents who elect to abort rather than carry to term a child with an unsurvivable genetic or developmental disease, rather than see their newborn suffer and die a slow, agonizing death.

Also, a woman may just decide she doesn't want to have a baby. Doesn't matter what the reason is. So I agree, the right to abortion will always be necessary.

I don't agree with the decision of a woman to abort a perfectly healthy fetus just because it's not wanted.

But then again, it's not my decision, or my right to vilify someone for doing so.

BronyMedic:Pincy: BronyMedic: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

The right to abortion will always be necessary. There will always be mothers who's lives will be endangered due to the continued development of their pregnancy when they are nowhere near an age of theoretical viability. In addition, things like termination and removal of ectopic pregnancies (which would never reach an age of viability because they KILL THE MOTHER BEFOREHAND) are considered abortion to certain national Governments who have banned abortion because of religious groups. In addition, there will always be parents who elect to abort rather than carry to term a child with an unsurvivable genetic or developmental disease, rather than see their newborn suffer and die a slow, agonizing death.

Also, a woman may just decide she doesn't want to have a baby. Doesn't matter what the reason is. So I agree, the right to abortion will always be necessary.

I don't agree with the decision of a woman to abort a perfectly healthy fetus just because it's not wanted.

But then again, it's not my decision, or my right to vilify someone for doing so.

Exactly, it doesn't matter what you or I or anyone else thinks, it's up to the woman who is pregnant.

LoneWolf343:meat0918: IlGreven: Brontes: Abortions could be virtually eliminated if sex education and birth control were freely given. What is it going to be religious righters?

"Be fruitful and multiply." ~ Gen. 1:28

/That is their answer.

Add in a dash of Psalm 127:2-5 "Children are a heritage from the Lord, offspring a reward from him. Like arrows in the hands of a warrior are children born in one's youth. Blessed is the man whose quiver is full of them. They will not be put to shame when they contend with their opponents in court.." and you get Quiverfull!

Given that those words were written at a time where the human population is a mere fraction of what it is now, I think the Lord would allow us to take a break.

I wonder what the infant mortality rate was thousands of years ago. Might have been a good idea to hump like bunnies just to get a few to live past 5.