No kids allowed???

No kids allowed? I can see both sides of the issue. I'll post my opinion later when I have more time. Here's the article below. What are your opinions and thoughts on this?
What's the matter with kids today and why doesn't anyone want them around? In June, Malaysia Airlines banned babies from many of their first class cabins, prompting other major airlines to consider similar policies.
Lately, complaints about screaming kids are being taken seriously, not only by airlines, but by hotels, movie theaters, restaurants, and even grocery stores.
Read more about restaurants around the country banning kids.
Earlier this month, McDain's, a Pittsburgh area restaurant that banned kids under 6 became a mascot for the no-kids-zone movement.
According to a Pittsburgh local news poll, more than half of area residents were in favor of the ban. And now big business is paying attention.
"Brat bans could well be the next frontier in destination and leisure-product marketing," writes Robert Klara in an article on the child-free trend in AdWeek.
Klara points to Leavethembehind.com, a travel website for kid-free vacations, with a massive list of yoga retreats, luxury resorts and bargain hotels around the world that ban children.
"Call me a grinch, a misanthrope, a DINK (dual-income-no-kids), or the anti-cute-police, but I hate (hate a thousand times over) ill-behaved children/infants/screaming banshees in upscale restaurants (ok, anywhere, really, but I donâ€™t want any death threats)," writes Charlotte Savino on Travel and Leisure's blog. She lists a slew of a popular destination restaurants with kid-free areas and policies for travelers looking for quiet vacation dining.
Traveling is one thing, but what about in kids' own hometowns? Should kids been banned from local movie theaters, like they were at a recent adults-only Harry Potter screening? In Texas, one cinema chain has even flipped the model, banning kids under six altogether, except on specified "baby days".
Even running errands with toddlers may be off limits. This summer Whole Foods stores in Missouri are offering child-free shopping hours and in Florida, a controversy brews over whether kids can be banned from a condominium's outdoor area. That's right, some people don't even want kids outdoors.
When did kids become the equivalent of second-hand smoke? Blame a wave of childless adults with money to spare. "Empty nesters continue to wield a huge swath of discretionary spending dollars, and population dips in first-world countries mean more childless couples than ever," writes AdWeek's Klara.
Catering to the child-free community may be good for business but is it good for parents? It could help narrow choices and make kid-friendly environments even kid-friendlier. And let's be honest, babies won't miss flying first class. They won't even remember it. But their moms and dads will.
Most parents with young children have self-imposed limits on spending and leisure. This new movement imposes limits set by the public. And the public isn't as child-friendly as it used to be. As businesses respond to their new breed of 'first-class' clientele, are parents in danger of becoming second-class citizens?

No kids allowed? I can see both sides of the issue. I'll post my opinion later when I have more time. Here's the article below. What are your opinions and thoughts on this?
What's the matter with kids today and why doesn't anyone want them around? In June, Malaysia Airlines banned babies from many of their first class cabins, prompting other major airlines to consider similar policies.
Lately, complaints about screaming kids are being taken seriously, not only by airlines, but by hotels, movie theaters, restaurants, and even grocery stores.
Read more about restaurants around the country banning kids.
Earlier this month, McDain's, a Pittsburgh area restaurant that banned kids under 6 became a mascot for the no-kids-zone movement.
According to a Pittsburgh local news poll, more than half of area residents were in favor of the ban. And now big business is paying attention.
"Brat bans could well be the next frontier in destination and leisure-product marketing," writes Robert Klara in an article on the child-free trend in AdWeek.
Klara points to Leavethembehind.com, a travel website for kid-free vacations, with a massive list of yoga retreats, luxury resorts and bargain hotels around the world that ban children.
"Call me a grinch, a misanthrope, a DINK (dual-income-no-kids), or the anti-cute-police, but I hate (hate a thousand times over) ill-behaved children/infants/screaming banshees in upscale restaurants (ok, anywhere, really, but I donâ€™t want any death threats)," writes Charlotte Savino on Travel and Leisure's blog. She lists a slew of a popular destination restaurants with kid-free areas and policies for travelers looking for quiet vacation dining.
Traveling is one thing, but what about in kids' own hometowns? Should kids been banned from local movie theaters, like they were at a recent adults-only Harry Potter screening? In Texas, one cinema chain has even flipped the model, banning kids under six altogether, except on specified "baby days".
Even running errands with toddlers may be off limits. This summer Whole Foods stores in Missouri are offering child-free shopping hours and in Florida, a controversy brews over whether kids can be banned from a condominium's outdoor area. That's right, some people don't even want kids outdoors.
When did kids become the equivalent of second-hand smoke? Blame a wave of childless adults with money to spare. "Empty nesters continue to wield a huge swath of discretionary spending dollars, and population dips in first-world countries mean more childless couples than ever," writes AdWeek's Klara.
Catering to the child-free community may be good for business but is it good for parents? It could help narrow choices and make kid-friendly environments even kid-friendlier. And let's be honest, babies won't miss flying first class. They won't even remember it. But their moms and dads will.
Most parents with young children have self-imposed limits on spending and leisure. This new movement imposes limits set by the public. And the public isn't as child-friendly as it used to be. As businesses respond to their new breed of 'first-class' clientele, are parents in danger of becoming second-class citizens?

I agree that banning kids is just wrong. Do I think there are appropriate places to take kids, yes. I would not take my lo to see Harry Potter in a packed movie theater, no. Especially knowing everyone in there spent at least 10 to be in there. I question what has made people so anti-children. I have to consider what people let there children do in public these days. Some parents have zero control and the children are in charge! I don't think the masses should be penalized for some peoples lack of parenting.

I agree that banning kids is just wrong. Do I think there are appropriate places to take kids, yes. I would not take my lo to see Harry Potter in a packed movie theater, no. Especially knowing everyone in there spent at least 10 to be in there. I question what has made people so anti-children. I have to consider what people let there children do in public these days. Some parents have zero control and the children are in charge! I don't think the masses should be penalized for some peoples lack of parenting.

I think this whole subject would be a moot point if many parents used common sense along with some basic manners. If your child is screaming, remove the child. Do not take a toddler/baby to a movie for adults. It is all basic common sense, and unfortunately those who continue to not use it cause those who do to suffer as well.

I think this whole subject would be a moot point if many parents used common sense along with some basic manners. If your child is screaming, remove the child. Do not take a toddler/baby to a movie for adults. It is all basic common sense, and unfortunately those who continue to not use it cause those who do to suffer as well.

I don't think there is anything wrong with "adult only" establishments. I sometimes think some moms will bring babies places to draw attention to themselves! Some restaurants are not for children. We didn't have children at our wedding because that was what we wanted. I don't think all parents have common sense when it comes to patenting. Just my opinion.

I don't think there is anything wrong with "adult only" establishments. I sometimes think some moms will bring babies places to draw attention to themselves! Some restaurants are not for children. We didn't have children at our wedding because that was what we wanted. I don't think all parents have common sense when it comes to patenting. Just my opinion.

I think it's rediculous. I'm not taking my toddler to a movie, but when you around no family and you want to go out, what are you supposed to do? I'm not going to just sit around and not date my husband. If we want to take our kids to a restaurant we should be able to.

I think it's rediculous. I'm not taking my toddler to a movie, but when you around no family and you want to go out, what are you supposed to do? I'm not going to just sit around and not date my husband. If we want to take our kids to a restaurant we should be able to.

Is this your first kid? I'm sure you'll want to go out to eat and you wont have a sitter at the time so your kid will have to follow you. Quiet lunches are nice, but so is taking your kid out so they aren't stuck inside all day.

Is this your first kid? I'm sure you'll want to go out to eat and you wont have a sitter at the time so your kid will have to follow you. Quiet lunches are nice, but so is taking your kid out so they aren't stuck inside all day.

This is ridiculous. Between work and school, some parents like to spend their extra time with their kids. So if they want to go to a restaurant or store, now they can't bring their baby? Pure stupidity in my opinion. I can understand a rule like "No kids after 9pm" when drunks get rowdy. But no kids all day, really? The grocery store one made me laugh. I'm sorry, but I don't have the extra money to pay a babysitter to watch my kid while I take a 30 minute trip to the store. If my DD starts to throw a fit, I take her outside. Parents should have that much common sense.

This is ridiculous. Between work and school, some parents like to spend their extra time with their kids. So if they want to go to a restaurant or store, now they can't bring their baby? Pure stupidity in my opinion. I can understand a rule like "No kids after 9pm" when drunks get rowdy. But no kids all day, really? The grocery store one made me laugh. I'm sorry, but I don't have the extra money to pay a babysitter to watch my kid while I take a 30 minute trip to the store. If my DD starts to throw a fit, I take her outside. Parents should have that much common sense.

It is called balancing. It does not have to one or the other but can be both. Our child goes many places with us in public........kid friendly family friendly places. Why would I take him to a place that is not? That is just asking for trouble. But on the other we do like our "adult time" time too. Nothing wrong with it. We plan in advance and either get a sitter or a family member to watch our child so we can go out kid free and enjoy some quiet adult time too.

It is called balancing. It does not have to one or the other but can be both. Our child goes many places with us in public........kid friendly family friendly places. Why would I take him to a place that is not? That is just asking for trouble. But on the other we do like our "adult time" time too. Nothing wrong with it. We plan in advance and either get a sitter or a family member to watch our child so we can go out kid free and enjoy some quiet adult time too.

My Answer: When some parents lost their common sense and ability/desire to disipline their children.

I think the people that can not control their child in public and are too selfish to remove their child from the setting to handle the situation without ruining everyone else's time is one thing that made these things start happening. I think it is ridiculous, but until these parents start using common sense and common decency these bans will continue and it will ruin things for everyone else. I agree with a PP that made the Applebee's vs. Ruth Chris comment! When we go out to eat with DD we always chose a child friendly place, plus she is happier at a place like that!

"When did kids become the equivalent of second-hand smoke?"

My Answer: When some parents lost their common sense and ability/desire to disipline their children.

I think the people that can not control their child in public and are too selfish to remove their child from the setting to handle the situation without ruining everyone else's time is one thing that made these things start happening. I think it is ridiculous, but until these parents start using common sense and common decency these bans will continue and it will ruin things for everyone else. I agree with a PP that made the Applebee's vs. Ruth Chris comment! When we go out to eat with DD we always chose a child friendly place, plus she is happier at a place like that!

I like the idea, I just hope this movement also includes kid friendly areas as well. Like kid airline flights that cater to the small people, or nice restaurants that include kid areas, etc. Family fun resorts.... I want the counter balance!

I like the idea, I just hope this movement also includes kid friendly areas as well. Like kid airline flights that cater to the small people, or nice restaurants that include kid areas, etc. Family fun resorts.... I want the counter balance!

Did you see where I said we don't live around family? I don't trust many people with my kid(s). I'm not just going to call someone up and say "hey watch my kid" when I don't like the way they parent theirs.

We like to go out as a family. I don't think I've seen one place here that is too fancy for kids, and even if there were, we probably wouldn't go because they would be too expensive.

We like quiet adult time too, ours is just spent watching movies at home once our child is down for the night. We don't have to go out to spend time with each other, or to date.

Did you see where I said we don't live around family? I don't trust many people with my kid(s). I'm not just going to call someone up and say "hey watch my kid" when I don't like the way they parent theirs.

We like to go out as a family. I don't think I've seen one place here that is too fancy for kids, and even if there were, we probably wouldn't go because they would be too expensive.

We like quiet adult time too, ours is just spent watching movies at home once our child is down for the night. We don't have to go out to spend time with each other, or to date.

I think rules are needed bc some parents have NO respect. Last valentines day me and my bf went out to a very expensive romantic dinner and the couple next to us brought their baby. The kid cried the whole time and they ignored him. It ruined our dinner hearing a kid scream the whole time and I was pissed. Those are the type of places I don't think kids should be aloud to be. A grocery store, however, would be foolish to ban children. I would be mad if I had to get a babysitter for a trip to the food store!

I think rules are needed bc some parents have NO respect. Last valentines day me and my bf went out to a very expensive romantic dinner and the couple next to us brought their baby. The kid cried the whole time and they ignored him. It ruined our dinner hearing a kid scream the whole time and I was pissed. Those are the type of places I don't think kids should be aloud to be. A grocery store, however, would be foolish to ban children. I would be mad if I had to get a babysitter for a trip to the food store!

I don't have an issue with a child free grocery store either. My guess is that it would be in a big city where there are many different stores. If you have children, don't go there. I can think of plenty of people who would prefer to go places away from children. It's nothing personal, just a preference. Picture a Fresh Market type grocery store and the people who shop there.

I don't have an issue with a child free grocery store either. My guess is that it would be in a big city where there are many different stores. If you have children, don't go there. I can think of plenty of people who would prefer to go places away from children. It's nothing personal, just a preference. Picture a Fresh Market type grocery store and the people who shop there.

Hahahaha.........always get a kick out the "I am not dropping or leaving my kid with anyone" response when it comes to babysitters. Do you really think parents just pull a name out of the phone book and dial it for babysitting services? Seriously, what an insult to all parents who do use babysitters.

I do not have any family in town as well. Not one, on both sides. So guess what I did? I talked to friends about sitters, researched professional services, and interviewed several people. I ended up finding 4 reliable sitters that I can use, if or when needed. Two are my neighbors with children the same age. We swap sit often. I use them for times during the day or early evening when I need to make a child-free quick trip. I also have a young co-worker I teach with who lives in the same area. She is great. She usually will watch our son when we do evening or long day events. My last resort is a close friend's 17 year old daughter. She is a great kid and very responsible. Of course when my parents come in town for a visit we always take advantage of it and do a date night then.

We live in a large urban city. We have plenty of places that are not kid friendly and many that are questionable. Again, places such as Applebees is absolutely acceptable for kids but Ruth Chris? Not at all.

Like you, we do most of our adult time when our son goes to bed. He is 3 and is usually down for the night no later than 8 pm. But we also have recently started using date time too. It is nice after nearly 3 years to have a movie night or dinner night kid free or go to a concert or out with friends.

Hahahaha.........always get a kick out the "I am not dropping or leaving my kid with anyone" response when it comes to babysitters. Do you really think parents just pull a name out of the phone book and dial it for babysitting services? Seriously, what an insult to all parents who do use babysitters.

I do not have any family in town as well. Not one, on both sides. So guess what I did? I talked to friends about sitters, researched professional services, and interviewed several people. I ended up finding 4 reliable sitters that I can use, if or when needed. Two are my neighbors with children the same age. We swap sit often. I use them for times during the day or early evening when I need to make a child-free quick trip. I also have a young co-worker I teach with who lives in the same area. She is great. She usually will watch our son when we do evening or long day events. My last resort is a close friend's 17 year old daughter. She is a great kid and very responsible. Of course when my parents come in town for a visit we always take advantage of it and do a date night then.

We live in a large urban city. We have plenty of places that are not kid friendly and many that are questionable. Again, places such as Applebees is absolutely acceptable for kids but Ruth Chris? Not at all.

Like you, we do most of our adult time when our son goes to bed. He is 3 and is usually down for the night no later than 8 pm. But we also have recently started using date time too. It is nice after nearly 3 years to have a movie night or dinner night kid free or go to a concert or out with friends.

Hahahaha.........always get a kick out the "I am not dropping or leaving my kid with anyone"

I didn't say that. I've left my daughter a few times with family when they are around. I think it's a great way for her to get to know her grandparents since she doesn't see them that much.

Do you really think parents just pull a name out of the phone book and dial it for babysitting services?

I don't think I've mentioned anywhere that parent's just pull a name out of the phone book.

Seriously, what an insult to all parents who do use babysitters.

If you were insulted, that's on you. I never said that using a babysitter was a bad thing.

I don't have any friends in the area. In fact, there aren't many people at all that I would consider my friend. It's great that you have so many people near you willing to help. I think I can name ONE person who is near by that would help, and still the drive to her place is out of the way. Also, since her husband is gone as much, if not more, than mine is, I'm sure she'd rather spend time with him when he's home then babysit.

I also have requirements about the houses my daughter is being watched at. A lot of people don't meet those requirements, so we just stay home.

Also, since my husband is gone so often now, we go out as a family. His daughter deserves that time with him.

I guess I should add before you get insulted again, that I'm sure everyone has requirements for where their children are being watched.

Hahahaha.........always get a kick out the "I am not dropping or leaving my kid with anyone"

I didn't say that. I've left my daughter a few times with family when they are around. I think it's a great way for her to get to know her grandparents since she doesn't see them that much.

Do you really think parents just pull a name out of the phone book and dial it for babysitting services?

I don't think I've mentioned anywhere that parent's just pull a name out of the phone book.

Seriously, what an insult to all parents who do use babysitters.

If you were insulted, that's on you. I never said that using a babysitter was a bad thing.

I don't have any friends in the area. In fact, there aren't many people at all that I would consider my friend. It's great that you have so many people near you willing to help. I think I can name ONE person who is near by that would help, and still the drive to her place is out of the way. Also, since her husband is gone as much, if not more, than mine is, I'm sure she'd rather spend time with him when he's home then babysit.

I also have requirements about the houses my daughter is being watched at. A lot of people don't meet those requirements, so we just stay home.

Also, since my husband is gone so often now, we go out as a family. His daughter deserves that time with him.

I guess I should add before you get insulted again, that I'm sure everyone has requirements for where their children are being watched.

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