Really? Who told you that? Why on earth would you calculate ROI based on something floating with no base in reality?

You calculate ROI in _value_. If you invested in something in USD and USD lost 50% of it's value, your ROI in USD might be high, but you will still lose _value_ and will have a negative return. So calculating in USD makes absolutely no sense without comparison to the value.

What's value?Value = buying power.

EUR/USD increased > 20% in a year.Did you notice a 20% price increase in america in the last year because USD is worth less conpared to EUR? No, you didn't. And you don't care that EUR is more expensive unless you buy european products.

You buy stuff with USD and only look at USD inflation. So anything that yields a ROI above USD inflation is a good investment.

If you buy a new token with BTC and if your new token outperforms BTC it was a good investment.If you buy NEM with NXT and NEM outperforms NXT, it was a good investment.However if you buy NXT with BTC and NXT doesn't outperform BTC it is a bad investment.If I buy SIM with BTC and SIM doesn't outperform BTC, it was a bad investment.

Maybe you could explain how you imagine the distribution and who would profit from the remaining 99.96%.

Gladly, finally we're getting some constructive discussion.

One idea, as I mentioned above, is to hard-code a release schedule from a locked account, and also add some form of voting for how and when to spend it. Splitting it between multiple "funds" with different purposes (i.e. marketing, development, etc.) is probably also a good idea.

Another idea is the creation of a big stabilization fund to try and smooth volatility, as volatility is one of the biggest reasons for failed adoption: neither users, nor merchants want any volatility, they want stable prices. The only people who want volatility are speculators who can extract money from people this way.

Ideally it would be nice to have the same mechanisms that Federal Reserve is using to stabilize the currency, something like Simcoin Treasuries, but so far I haven't been able to figure out how to integrate it into the protocol.

If i see total supply 1trillion and current supply 400million, I would NEVER EVER EVER invest,

And _how_ the total supply will be distributed will have absolutely no effect on your decision? Is that smart?

9/10 Startups fail. So i need to look for startups that I believe can yield at least x10 my initial bet.

I invested in _you_ and your initial plan_ .- 40% supply for investors funding you development time.- 60% supply for you, up to you what to do with it and how to distribute it.

What changes now, is that chances of a positive ROI shrinked drastically by owning 1000x less than initially defined.

See all these Tokens that have nice claims but build on EC20. Didn't buy a single one because I don't believe they will succeed and yield x10. And once they do succeed, there is plenty of time to invest and make a profit while they grow.

Did you read the Venezuela Bond Bolivar example?It explains well why I evaluate in the currency I invested in.

Speculations?Find one coin with a current supply of <0.1% in those top200 coins. You won't.The entire crypto market is pure speculation and no real investor would invest in any of it...

Uncertainty doesn't affect the market? Fear of a crash because X and Y. That's what incertainty is. And it sure does affect the market. Any market.

Maybe you could explain how you imagine the distribution and who would profit from the remaining 99.96%.

Really? Who told you that? Why on earth would you calculate ROI based on something floating with no base in reality?

You calculate ROI in _value_. If you invested in something in USD and USD lost 50% of it's value, your ROI in USD might be high, but you will still lose _value_ and will have a negative return. So calculating in USD makes absolutely no sense without comparison to the value.

The only reason why we do it, is because investments are usually relatively short and USD is pretty stable.

Still, any serious investor takes inflation into account when making his decisions.

So your claim is pretty much ridiculous and any serious investor would laugh at it.

You, ponzi junkies, think of yourself as "investors" all of a sudden, but have insanely primitive understanding of economics.

This is the main problem. You people are not investors. You are ponzi junkies. It might be unpleasant to hear, but you need to look into the mirror and face the reality.

Is that smart too? Are you interested in the product or getting ridiculous amounts of money back from your "investment", which is actually not an investment at all but a ponzi scheme (selling to people who come after you)?

Any kind of uncertainty (like not distributed supply) will affect the price in a negative manner.

I think you too are confusing a cryptocurrency with a ponzi scheme. Bitcoin spoiled you all to be addicted to ponzies...

You don't buy dollars expecting them to constantly go higher and higher. Because money is not stock. Money itself is not an investment, it's a mechanism for investments.

What you did invest into is me as a developer creating something. Once the coin is created you will get a decent ROI, as I already showed. Actually, probably way more than "decent". After that, why would you think of a coin as an investment? As I said, Bitcoin spoiled you all...

Dollar ROI is not relevant because it all goes from BTC growth. We invested in Sim in BTC and the price was 0.00000035 BTC per coin, it's all that matters.

I do not understand this logic at all.

Try going to your bank and demanding that they increase the interest rate on your savings account to 100,000% because "you could have invested this money into Bitcoin 3 years ago instead". See the look on their faces.

You invested _value_ into an asset that has no obligation whatsoever to match any other asset. You will get the _value_ back once you sold the asset. The difference between these values is your ROI. Bitcoin price is absolutely irrelevant here. You've invested in SIM, not BTC.

A coin where only 0.04% of its total supply is distributed will have a very low marketcap. (even skycoin has 8% of its coins distributed)

A coin will most likely only be noticed once its distribution is complete ( Raiblocks had its distribution going for 2 years and got hyped only 1 month after the distribution was complete)

Any kind of uncertainty (like not distributed supply) will affect the price in a negative manner.

Calculating an ROI is always in the invested Currency.

If you invest USD to buy stocks, you calculate ROI for your invested USDif you invest BTC to buy tokens, you calculate ROI for your BTC.If you use USD to buy venezualian bonds with 25%interest p.a you calculate your ROI in USD and not in Bolivar. Because after 1 year you have 25%more Bolivar. But like 80% less USD...

I can tell you how people invest in Crypto.(where 100% of supply exists from the beginning)1) They have a look at current suplly. 2) They have a look at total supply.3) If "current supply" Not Equal "total supply", they won't invest.

Unless there is mining Or you are Ripple or Stellar with a huge marketing budget and backed by banks.

If i see total supply 1trillion and current supply 400million, I would NEVER EVER EVER invest, no matter how good the product is.Many startups dilute their stake. but from 40% to 0.04% is ridiculous.

I always thought you were some kind of a genious geek.If you however fail to see that this dilution changes EVERYTHING, you are probably still a genious geek, but lacking a huge amount of common sense in some areas.

I don't want to attack you, but I want to tell you, that investing into this coin (which holds 99,96% of incertainty how distribution is done) makes NO SENSE anymore.