sjosten wrote:It does depend on what you consider winning. I see winning as living to rub it in, driving your opponent insane.

...yeah, we all know who REALLY won at Thermopylae.

Those who win wars are often those who have more fun. For example, I have heard Billy Bishop was fun to be around, and that Adolf Shicklgruber and Ludendorff had good fun beating the Russians on the Eastern front.