to that extent i agree with what you say, however, communism is not flawed in and of the idea, the way it's been executed is what has been flawed........... and yes, almost all communist nations have been doomed to fall because of the very attitude of the rulers.........

nosidius wrote:to that extent i agree with what you say, however, communism is not flawed in and of the idea, the way it's been executed is what has been flawed........... and yes, almost all communist nations have been doomed to fall because of the very attitude of the rulers.........

No! It is flawed by it's very nature.It is capitalism that isn't flawed in nature but has been in execution, so far.Capitalism is human nature - whether you think that is sad or not, that is true.

if any have read michael chritons "prey" you may understand where this (both of us, and the others as well) is coming from

human nature is to have a leader, and in order to have stability, it needs to be the same leader, and so the same set of rules with exceptions being to make things more efficient or easier, in the case of communism it makes it dreadfully so, which is why total control is not possible and only encourages resistance

I am myself what I expect the left wing, I know not quite what I am if I am anarchist or Socialist but both things appeal to me.since they both have some things in case they have some things against, such as questions about who owns the right owner with the communist idea, we are all owners as we are all part of the state where ever in anarkisme we owned nothing more that we need to survive.I prefer the increases of food production so fuck EU agricultural subsidies for set formange who are starving in the world, therefore, I see absolutely that we must share our food and not fire it or pay for it not being exploitation to maintain an artificial economy.Therefore, I say myself as a mixture.

i disagree with the idea of communisn. where ever man goes, there is enviousness. but this is not the central issue of communism. theoretically, it sounds fair, and beside the steps of marxism/leninism there are a lot of possibilities for a reliable future, but you should keep in mind that this is not what the society needs. let's compare communism with democracy. in my honest opinion there are a few similarities. and democracy never worked. we only had the joy of democracy at the french revolution, and it was a big chaos. people need someone who tells them what they have to think. what they have to do. how they have to do it. who they have to love. who they have to hate. otherwise, people won't get arround. so if there's no dictator, the new dictator is their tv. their newspaper. their radio.yes i know, that isn't nice, but it's true, unfortunately. so if you give them the maximum joy of freedom, you will return the maximum joy of chaos. this post-modern society isn't compatible with freedom, sadly.

"people used what they called a telephone because they hated being close together and they were scared of being alone."

I disagree with communism totally. We are not all equal, so get over it. If everyone were equal, a doctor would be forced to take the same amount of pay that a janitor does. Does that seem fair?

Not to mention, Communist systems must have some sort of leaders, but that means they are no longer a communist state because someone has more power than another. Just look at what Communism did to every country that ever tried it. The U.S.S.R. fell apart, life was pure hell in Eastern European countries (especially for the common person), and it led to mass revolts.

Not to mention, the idea that every human is equal to others is disgusting. We are all unique, and therefore cannot be equal by everyone's standards.

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TheMindRapist wrote:Communism is a great theory, but it is impossible to implement due to human nature.

Perfectly sums it up. Communism is currently an unobtainable dream because of basic human nature. Still, if the semi-messed up version of communism that exists currently is good for the people who live with it, then I say, stick with it, may get better.

TheMindRapist wrote:Communism is a great theory, but it is impossible to implement due to human nature.

I can't believe that this is such a popular view here.The selfish and competitive way so many of us act in is not human nature, it is because we live in a society that tells us this is how to act, the assumption that this is how we are only serves to propagate this defeatist attitude.

'Oh well a world without rape is a nice idea but lets face it, its human nature so whats the point in trying to move towards a world without rape?'

Yes rape is 'human nature' too, by this i mean pre-language, pre-society and pre-ethics, our ancestors too will have gang-raped the females much as happens to domestic cats during mating season and im sure many-a wild animal, but with the creation of language, society and ethics, with 'humanisation' , we have managed to greatly reduce this from happening.

Does it not logically follow that further 'humanisation' or 'moral evolution' or whatever you want to call it we can do away with this 'innate' competitivity and selfishness?

Hell, even if it isn't possible and it will never happen then do you not think that by at least trying to achieve it then we can make the world a better place?

"By striving to do the impossible, man has always achieved what is possible. Those who have cautiously done no more than they believed possible have never taken a single step forward." Mikhail Bakunin.

I donate to the United States Communist party but im a libertarian i guess i just see those guys standing out there yelling about the glorious revolution at hand i just want them to succeed. Historically Communism has failed every country that has adopted it...except for Cuba and North Korea so far, and look at those countries, Karl Marx would be turning over in has grave if he heard them calling that communism.I idealistically yes, if every country on the planet was communist and people weren't naturally self servingbut realistically forgetaboutit