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Guests: John Batchelor, Michael Listner, Dr. David Livingston. Topics: Commercial Space Law Act 2015 & asteroid property rights. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We do not permit the commercial use of any Space Show program or part thereof, nor do we permit Space Show programs to be edited, placed on YouTube, or other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted in news articles, papers, academic & research work but must be cited or referenced in the proper citation format. Contact Dr. Livingston for questions about our copyright and trademark policies which we do enforce. This program is archived on The Space Show website, podcasting, and blog sites with permission from John Batchelor. Please visit the John Batchelor Show website for more information about this fine program, www.johnbatchelorshow.com. Remember, your Amazon Purchases Can Help Support The Space Show/OGLF (www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm). For those of you listening to archives on live365.com & rating the programs, please email me the reasons for your rating. This will definitely help improve Space Show programming. Thank you. Please note that audio and transition issues are a result of copying the John Batchelor broadcast & are not within my control as they originate in the Batchelor studio.

John Batchelor and I welcomed back Michael Listner, space attorney, to discuss the recently passed Commercial Space Law by Congress. This law included a section on asteroid mining that may be an effort to convey to US citizens space property rights. Property rights are not permitted by the UN treaties and Michael said that the new law was sufficiently vague between conveying a property right as opposed to a use right which is allowed in the treaty. Michael and others believe it conflicts with the treaty but many within the industry and space enthusiasts believe this is important as it sets a baseline to improve upon in terms of property rights for the future. Michael also suggested it might be good for the asteroid mining companies as they can show their investors that there is now a basis in law which might help with getting new investment. I asked Michael if international space players would care about this or if it the provisions were enforceable outside the US. Michael suggested they would care because it granted these “rights” only to US citizens and they would likely object to it. John made several references to pirates and corporate plunder but I did not agree with those descriptions. What do you think? Let us know on the blog.

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Guest: Doug Messier. Topics: The Virgin Galactic current multi-part series on www.parabolicarc.com and more. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm. For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Doug Messier back to the program. During the first segment of our nearly two hour show, Doug started off by telling about his current multi-part series running this past week on www.paraboloicarc.com regarding Virgin Galactic and SpaceShipTwo. Given the accident happened slightly more than a year ago, Doug put together a comprehensive series of articles on the accident, the pilots, the NTSB report, Virgin Galactic, Scaled and more. This is a multi-part series you will want to read. The majority of the first segment’s discussion was based on the articles with questions from listeners and myself about various aspects of the company, the accident, the people involved, the mission control room, and the NTSB report plus supporting documents which Doug studied for his articles. Listener Alec sent in an email before the show wanting to know if SS2 has been more closely modeled after SS! if the company would have been flying by now. Doug had much to say in response to this question dealing with the expansion to SS2 which was 3 times larger than SS1 and more. When asked about return to flight, Doug suggested the possibility of Feb. 2016 but that was not definite. This was in response to Josh asking for a Virgin time line. Doug also got questions about Virgin and Spaceport America, then he was asked if noticed differences in Virgin’s presentation both pre and post the accident. The subject of safety and test flight programs came up for Virgin, XCOR and all the companies. We talked about safety and test flight programs in general with Doug, myself and some listeners, agreeing that the test programs were not extensive enough or sufficiently comprehensive. Don’t miss this discussion which included comments about the flight test envelope challenges, the X-15 as a possible model, and comments made by Neil Armstrong at the recent Suborbital Conference held a few years ago in Palo Alto, CA.

In the second segment, I started out by asking Doug about the new Commercial Space Law agreed upon by the House and Senate, specifically the part about asteroid mining and quasi-property rights. I pointed out the feedback I was getting about this section being in opposition to the Outer Space Treat and many were not happy with it, nor did we know if it would have any legal standing outside the U.S. Tim called in to support the asteroid mining provisions in the law. John from Ft. Worth called in to talk about the DARPA XS-1 program and Masten Space Sciences. Burton in Canada asked about SLS, then Dr. Lurio called in to talk safety and many other topics. Before the show ended, Tim called back to ask about the XCOR piston pump progress.

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Guest: Charles Miller. Topic: The “Evolvable Lunar Architecture that Leverages Commercial Space Capabilities and Public Private Partnerships” study. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm. For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed back Charles Miller to discuss in detail the recently released NASA Study, “Evolvable Lunar Architecture that Leverages Commercial Space Capabilities and Public Private Partnerships.” You can read and download the report, “Evolvable Lunar Architecture that Leverages Commercial Space Capabilities and Public Private Partnerships” at http://titan04.ksc.nasa.gov/shuttle/nexgen/Nexgen_Downloads/NexGen_ELA_Report_FINAL.pdf. During the first segment of our 1 hour 39 minute show, Charles introduced us to the study, the background as to why the need for the study, plus he said that to find an affordable way to move humans out into the cosmos there needed to be an affordable way to do it. He briefly summarized the history of efforts to return to the Moon since Apollo, then explained why this new approach, modeled after the COTS program, was so much better. Through the creative use of the public-private partnership program, returning to the Moon can be easier and more affordable. Charles was asked lots of listener questions including questions that addressed the TRL level of both NASA and the private companies to go to the moon, public and private risk taking, commercial competition, and the strategic use of fuel depots to further reduce mission costs. He explained their program step by step through three phases. Listener Dan asked a series of question about robots being serviced on the Moon, asking if the humans would be better placed elsewhere to control the lunar robots using low latency telepresence rather than humans on the Moon. Don’t miss how Charles responded to this series of questions that Dan emailed us. BJohn was also active with questions ranging from asking about the Lunar Mission One program to questions about the costs and assumptions used in the NASA study, even the use of GEO. Other listeners wanted to know about lunar settlement as part of this study, lunar habitats, and using L2 rather than the lunar surface. Listeners also asked Charles about lunar microgravity issues and radiation. Charles had the most to say about radiation issues. Later in the segment he said the plan called for a migration of the initial program to something like an international lunar authority modeled after CERN and modern airport authorities. Dan asked another question about getting astronauts off the moon in an emergency wondering if there would be greater safety margins if humans were not required on the lunar surface. Charles indicated that there would be a lunar escape system on the Moon. When questioned about the economics, it was clear that the study had in mind to facilitate human expansion BLEO so options not expanding the human presence BLEO were not options considered for the study. Todd asked if SLS was considered in their analysis. The answer was no as they only looked at commercial launch options, not government launchers. More questions came up about how the project would be financed relative to the NASA budget. Don’t miss this analysis and explanation.

In the second segment, BJohn asked about the Falcon Heavy regarding fuel depots. Charles said it was a LEO only launcher so not considered in their study. More listener questions came in regarding depots. BJohn also asked about the use of GEO. Charles explained why this was not an option. Eric and Charles had quite the email exchange about needing humans on the lunar surface. Charles said they were primarily there to repair and maintain the robots and equipment. Eric kept asking about using robots for the repair and maintenance but Charles said that technology was not available at this time. Their give and take was a good discussion of the subject. As Charles pointed out, since a commercial company would be on the moon with the robots, they would have every reason to advance their technology to be more cost effective so moving toward robotic servicing of the lunar surface robots would be something a company would be motivated to do to save on operating costs. However, that technology was not available today. Listener Josh wanted to know about other potential lunar businesses including lunar tourism. Charles was asked about lunar cubesats, then near the end he was asked about property rights and lunar resource exploitation. As the program was about to end, we talked about the political process and progress the study needed to make as it worked its way through the policy makers, Congress, and others. Please post your comments/questions on TSS blog above.

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Guests: John Batchelor, Michael Listner, Dr. David Livingston. Topics: U.S. National Space Policy & the next administration. You are invited to comment, ask questions, and discuss the Space Show program/guest(s) on the Space Show blog. Comments, questions, and any discussion must be relevant and applicable to Space Show programming. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are not permitted without prior written consent from The Space Show (even if for personal use) & are a violation of the Space Show copyright. We do not permit the commercial use of any Space Show program or part thereof, nor do we permit Space Show programs to be edited, placed on YouTube, or other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted in news articles, papers, academic & research work but must be cited or referenced in the proper citation format. Contact Dr. Livingston for questions about our copyright and trademark policies which we do enforce. This program is archived on The Space Show website, podcasting, and blog sites with permission from John Batchelor. Please visit the John Batchelor Show website for more information about this fine program, www.johnbatchelorshow.com. Remember, your Amazon Purchases Can Help Support The Space Show/OGLF (www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm). For those of you listening to archives on live365.com & rating the programs, please email me the reasons for your rating. This will definitely help improve Space Show programming. Thank you.

John Batchelor and I welcomed back space attorney Michael Listner to the program to discuss the significance of the U.S. National Space Policy. We talked about some of the choices the next administration might have in formulating a new national space policy including the continuation of subsidies to the commercial space industry, to finally take up space debris removal policy for U.S. debris, and even to start formulating policy on space property rights. Michael also discussed the trend toward transparency and confidence building measures which are a product of the Executive Branch as compared to treaties which need approval from the Senate. I asked Michael if he thought we might start seeing policy emerge as to the usage of cubesats plus I asked how human spaceflight might be impacted by a new national space policy.

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Guest: Michael Listner. Topics: U.S. National Space Policy, commercial/private space, & its impact on national & international space law/activities. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm. For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed back space attorney Michael Listner to discuss the importance of the U.S. National Space Policy, both nationally and internationally. Please refer to the document Michael prepared for this show which you can find on The Space Show blog, “NATIONAL SPACE POLICY A PRÉCIS OF FUNDAMENTALS & PURPOSE.” Michael’s document is essential to understanding the significance of our national space policy, both on the home front and internationally so don’t skip over it. We used it extensively during our discussion as Michael used the exact policy language in his document to make his points. During the first segment of our 2 hour 2 minute show, Michael explained the origins of this show given my challenge to him from a few weeks ago to tell us why national space policies are important given that many of us, myself included, just view them as political rhetoric or something like that. Michael did a fantastic job of connecting the dots from back in the beginning with President Eisenhower through to President Obama, showing us the evolution of commercial/private space and much more. He also connected the dots on why our national space policy is significant on the global scene. Here, he used the definition of space as an example. After you listen to this program and read Michael’s paper, you will have a very clear understanding of the emergence of the commercial space industry as it is today, including government subsidies, plus many other parts of our space program, including the national security space program. During this segment, we went through the presidents starting with Eisenhower to see how each new presidential national space policy helped to create the legal and policy structure of today’s space industry, public and private. Michael explained policy from both the global view and the geo political view, again connecting the dots for us to what is happening in the space industry today. He was very clear in showing how the birth & development of SpaceX for example, was due in part because of our space policy and the laws congress enacted to support the goals of our national space policy which included private space and later on, even government subsidies.

In the second segment, we started taking more listener questions. Carl asked who actually creates the Presidential National Space Policy. Barbara asked if space property rights could be established through our space policy. This prompted another excellent discussion by Michael on the subject. June asked about our space policy enabling tourism and even visits or settlements on the Moon or Mars. Another question came in regarding the US having no jurisdiction over private companies but Michael referred everyone to the Outer Space Treaty, Article 6 as this gives jurisdiction to the states (government). Michael then had a few words to say about the significance of treaty law. Michael was asked if the president could be lobbied regarding specifics of a national space policy. Our guest received several emails thanking him for this program, saying it was extremely helpful and valuable. Toward the end, he was asked about other countries having a national space policy. Check out page 24 of his document as he has a chart showing the countries having or planning to create a space policy. Near the end, a listener asked him if the space policy could be used to help establish a new business or industry. Michael said yes, then provided us with an example relating to space debris. Don’t miss this discussion! As the show was ending, Michael gave a shout out to the George C. Marshall Institute which is noted in the references in his paper as they have available all the space policy documents and more that Michael discussed plus those we did not have the time to address. This is a superb resource and Michael was right on to give a shout out to this organization (http://marshall.org).

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Guest: Michel Listner. Topics: Drones, air traffic control, NASA, SpaceX, patents, reusability, property, space law & more. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm. For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Michael Listner back to the show for a wide ranging discussion on space law issues. During the first segment of our 95 minute show, Michael started by addressing the NASA program to develop an air traffic control system for drones. We spent the first part of this segment talking about the system, what it might be like, the partners working with NASA on the plan, the role of the FAA, and related items. Part of this discussion focused on the need for regulations as Michael said without some regulations there is chaos. The trick is to balance the regulations to maintain safety and order but also to enable commercial growth. In this segment, we talked about the Dream Chaser challenge to the decision by NASA re commercial crew with the awards going to Boeing and SpaceX. To help us understand the appeals process, Michael cited the recent KC-X tanker deal which Boeing appealed and ultimately won the contract. Michael then updated us with as much info as is known re the SpaceX-AF litigation over the bulk buy, then we talked about the patent dispute with Blue Origin and SpaceX regarding a reusable system meant to land on a barge.

In the second segment, the issues of space property rights & the Asteroids Act came up. Michael had some interesting observations that he shared with us. Let us know on the blog what you think about property rights & the Asteroids Act. A listener asked Michael about the prevailing law should a criminal act be carried out on a spaceship. Michael explained what would happen if such an event happened in space. Our guest was asked if he thought the midterm election would make a difference in space policy, Listeners & I then asked Michael what to look for regarding the balance of this year and into 2015 concerning space legal issues. Note what Michael pointed out to us. His concluding comments addressed the need for proper space law to facilitate commercial space growth & exploration.

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Guest: Wayne White. Topics: Space property rights and Wayne’s proposed Space Pioneering Act. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm. For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Wayne White back to the show to discuss space property rights, the proposed Asteroid Act, and his proposed Space Pioneering Act. During the first segment of our 1 hour 25 minute discussion, Wayne opened up with the Asteroids Act which was a bipartisan proposal in Congress this past summer (www.spacepolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/AsteroidsActHR5063.pdf). During this segment, Wayne explained why he believes this to be an important ACT and needed in order to have a more broad reaching space property rights law such as what he has been proposing with his Space Pioneering Act. Listeners and I asked Wayne if he thought the Asteroids Act would pass &be sent to the White House for approval. He said he thought it would be passed. He continually pointed out both the bipartisan sponsors of the bill & the fact that it would not cost taxpayers any money. Our guest fielded listener questions about the international impact & compliance of the Asteroids Act as it would be a U.S. law. Wayne also explained the role of reciprocity with the Act. Next, Wayne explained why the Act was necessary for the comprehensive solution to space property rights as proposed in his broad reaching Space Pioneering Act. (SPA). The SPA is for now only a draft concept which he will start refining once he sees what happens to the Asteroids Act. We talked about his plans to approach congress and staffers as well as entrepreneurial and commercial space companies, especially those that have an interest in establishing space property rights. Wayne was asked about dispute resolution for property rights, especially if it involved international parties. Near the end of this segment, he referenced the Homestead Act, the Law of the Sea Treaty, civil laws versus common law, and the benefits derived from national law and the arbitration process.

In the second segment, Wayne started with a discussion about salvage law and why it was an important part of his SPA. Here, he talked about the Law of Finds, space debris issues, and both contract salvage and emergency salvage. Later he talked about the need to establish control zones are a commercial installation much in the way that there is a control zone around the ISS. He cited examples of problems that helped to make his points. As we neared the end of our discussion, Wayne introduced us to the need for mining law. He talked about similarities with the Mining Act of 1872 as his SPA, which includes mining law, has a similar approach to the Mining Act. Note his concluding comments & the case he makes for property rights, the Asteroids Act, and his Space Pioneering Act.

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Guest: Michael Listner. Topics: Space law, ARM & property rights, SpaceX-AF litigation, RD-180 engine & more. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm. For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed Michael Listner back to the program for this update regarding specific space law issues and theories. In the first segment of the this 1 hour 48 minute program, Michael talked about the proposed Asteroid Bill in Congress and how to maybe get some limited property rights for asteroid mining by being able to move a small asteroid as in the NASA ARM project. Michael theorized that if one moves an asteroid, its no longer in its natural orbit and then no longer defined as a celestial body. We spent most of the first segment and a good part of the second segment discussing this theory and why it might work. When asked if it would apply to lunar property rights or other space property rights, Michael was clear that it only applied to a small asteroid that could be moved. He also said it would require an administration to endorse such a plan and that it would be difficult to establish as customary and it would certainly be an uphill effort. BJohn and others sent in email comments about this. As you will hear from BJohn’s emails which I read on air, not every thought positively about Michael’s idea. Michael also talked about other forms of international agreements being much easier to obtain than treaties. He also said the property rights policy battles would be fought diplomatically.

In the second segment, we talked about the SpaceX-US Air Force litigation and the AF Motion to Dismiss. Next, we covered the RD-180 rocket motor issue and Michael noted that a new shipment of RD-180 motors had been received. He also said there was new information suggesting Russia might want to expand the mission time for the ISS (http://www.parabolicarc.com/2014/08/25/russia-agree-iss-extension). Property rights and moving an asteroid came back as a topic in this segment & Michael again talked about treaties which he said were top down in policy making while transparency, etc. was considered bottom up policy making. We talked quite a bit about property rights being US one sided and he said that the Asteroid Bill actually enabled those outside the U.S. to put their projects under U.S. law for U.S protection. We moved on to cubesats and oversight/regulation issues. Near the end, Michael updated us on the Code of Conduct in which there should be another draft emerging in the near future. As the program was drawing to a close, I asked Michael for remaining 2014 legal issues that might get a 2014 resolve. We looked forward to early next year & our guest commented on issues involving Russia, China, and ESA.

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Guests: Rand Simberg, Bill Simon. Topics: Evoloterra Ceremony and our Moon landing July 20, 1969, current HSF issue. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm. For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed back Rand Simberg and Bill Simon, co-authors of Evoloterra which commemorated when we first left planet Earth and landed on another planet. To follow along with us with the ceremony, visit http://www.evoloterra.com. During the first segment of our 1 hour 51 minute program, Rand and Bill explained the significance of the July 20, 1969 date and their Evoloterra ceremony. Rand also said that our earlier Moon program was a dead end path and that we will not be going back to the Moon the way we did Apollo. This comment provided an overriding theme throughout the program as Rand explained why large unaffordable rockets were not the way to do things when we could do smaller rockets, use fuel depots, and make space more affordable. Bill explained the July 20th significance saying it was the turning point when humans were no longer bound by Earth. Rand and Bill read the Evoloterra introduction which is a passage from an Arthur C. Clarke novel. Bill also pointed out the significance of going to the Moon in peace and that the U.S. made no effort to nationalize or conquer the Moon. Rand and Bill then took us back to the affordable and scalable space program needs and said that our current program was neither affordable or scalable. I asked them both for lessons learned and I bet you won’t be surprised by the answer I got. Rand cited SpaceX many times during the program, especially as a model for affordable space and for having a vision. In response to listener questions, Rand said cost was a nonsense issue. Don’t miss why he said this multiple times during our program. Near the end of the segment, our guests talked about the myth of Apollo, space leadership issues, and Rand’s frequent statement that nobody cares about space which he then demonstrates by the space policies now in play.

In Part 2, Rand talked about his USA Today article, “Apollo Program A Flameout At 40” (http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/07/18/apollo-nasa-anniversary-moon-column/12734813). Rand also mentioned Part 3 of the Brian Berger series on space in the Houston Chronicle (www.houstonchronicle.com/nasa/adrift/3). During this segment, we talked more about the Evoloterra ceremony, how it was modeled on the Seder, & the importance of ritual in helping people remember historical and important events. Later, space property rights came up for discussion, then our guests each gave us closing comments. Rand’s summary was that there was a better way than the big rocket. Bill Said Apollo 11 was a water shed event.

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Guests: Sara Jennings, Aaron Oesterle. Topics: We discussed the upcoming NewSpace 2014 Conference. Please direct all comments and questions regarding Space Show programs/guest(s) to the Space Show blog, https://thespaceshow.wordpress.com. Comments and questions should be relevant to the specific Space Show program. Written Transcripts of Space Show programs are a violation of our copyright and are not permitted without prior written consent, even if for your own use. We do not permit the commercial use of Space Show programs or any part thereof, nor do we permit editing, YouTube clips, or clips placed on other private channels & websites. Space Show programs can be quoted, but the quote must be cited or referenced using the proper citation format. Contact The Space Show for further information. In addition, please remember that your Amazon purchases can help support The Space Show/OGLF. See http://www.onegiantleapfoundation.org/amazon.htm. For those listening to archives using live365.com and rating the programs, please email me as to why you assign a specific rating to the show. This will help me bring better programming to the audience.

We welcomed both Sara Jennings and Aaron Oesterle to the show to discuss the upcoming NewSpace 2014 conference to be held at the Doubletree in San Jose, CA from July 24-26, 2014 in the heart of Silicon Valley. This was a one hour conference promotion program leading off with Sara, the conference chairman for this year, introducing us to the conference and the first day events. Follow the discussion with us at their website, https://newspace.spacefrontier.org. Sara started with the Thursday agenda with a focus on investors, the Lightening Round Pitches, the welcome reception and the keynote later in the day by Art Dula. Also on Thursday, we talked about the Awards Ceremony and near the end of the program, Sara and Aaron announced the winners of this year’s awards. We had telephone glitches early in the program, first dropping the call with Sara, then with Aaron. Also, both guests used cell phones which created a few audio issues early on with Aaron. Aaron talked about the Friday program leading off with comments about the Do It Yourself (DIY) space movement which is growing rapidly. Next up we discussed property rights and the planned focus of the panel plus the panel members. On Friday, Andy Aldrin is the lunch speaker and our guests talked about Andy wanting to go to the Moon as did his Dad, Buzz. Andy is now president of the Moon Express. team. Also on Friday, our guests highlighted the lunar panel along with the paradigm shift panel. Saturday, the last day of the conference, our focus was on Donna Edwards as the lunch speaker, then the Gala Event. Our guests pointed out that registration on Thursday and later will be at an increased price so if you are planning to attend, do the online registration prior to the conference first day. We also talked about the Doubletree and the fact that is filling up so act quickly to get the conference rate. Throughout our discussion, we focused on the great networking available throughout the three day event. Doug even sent in an email to support the conference for its excellent networking. In addition, listeners wanted to know if HSF and risk averseness was part of the program and Tony wanted to know about SSP being part of the program. The conference will be live streamed. Check back on the website for details. If you attend NewSpace, please track me down and say hello.

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