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Re: [Round 1 - Team 6 vs Team 10 Singles 1] Oni vs Atobe

Irie never actually returned AK, although he did appear to have prevented Atobe from using it. Oni isn't as fast as Irie, and his technique most likely isn't nearly as good as Irie's, so whether he can prevent AK in the same manner Irie can is uncertain. However, Oni has BJK working for him, and BJK is a little too much for Atobe. No matter what small upgrade you can think of for Atobe, it's not going to be enough to deal with BJK.

Even though I think Oni could win 6-0, with a small upgrade, perhaps Atobe can make it more respectable than that. I'm going Oni wins 6-2.

Re: [Round 1 - Team 6 vs Team 10 Singles 1] Oni vs Atobe

Originally Posted by FrostyMouse

Irie never actually returned AK, although he did appear to have prevented Atobe from using it. Oni isn't as fast as Irie, and his technique most likely isn't nearly as good as Irie's, so whether he can prevent AK in the same manner Irie can is uncertain. However, Oni has BJK working for him, and BJK is a little too much for Atobe. No matter what small upgrade you can think of for Atobe, it's not going to be enough to deal with BJK.

Even though I think Oni could win 6-0, with a small upgrade, perhaps Atobe can make it more respectable than that. I'm going Oni wins 6-2.

I don't think Atobe would be crushed that easily. He evolved little by little against Irie, so against Oni who for sure hasn't the same speed and technique as Irie, he could do the same. BJK won't be a problem for Atobe, he has enough technique to return it, altough Black Tomahawk would be a problem for sure. Oni won't be able to react to AK but he could prevent it by scoring points against Atobe.

In the stamina section, they may be equal and I think Atobe's mental is stronger than Oni's. This is a difficult decision, I do think Atobe would beat Oni, but again Oni is really strong.

Re: [Round 1 - Team 6 vs Team 10 Singles 1] Oni vs Atobe

There's really no way around it, I can't see how Atobe could win. Oni is not only (serious) Irie level, but he is arguably the physically strongest person in the entire series. I means, the guy is lifting absurd boulders. Oni may even be above Babe Ruth who made Gin look like an idiot. I don't think the combination of Atobe's technique and power is high enough to counter Oni's power alone (which I predict is an off-the-charts 7-10), let alone Oni's technique on top of that. The only people I can see being able to combat Oni are people like Irie/Yukimura, who have enough technique to counter the strength, or people like Sanada/Kintarou who have the natural ability to handle powerful shots. Atobe is not in any of those categories. He has less technique than the one camp, and less power than the other camp. Oni wins this.

Re: [Round 1 - Team 6 vs Team 10 Singles 1] Oni vs Atobe

Originally Posted by Fayte

There's really no way around it, I can't see how Atobe could win. Oni is not only (serious) Irie level, but he is arguably the physically strongest person in the entire series. I means, the guy is lifting absurd boulders. Oni may even be above Babe Ruth who made Gin look like an idiot. I don't think the combination of Atobe's technique and power is high enough to counter Oni's power alone (which I predict is an off-the-charts 7-10), let alone Oni's technique on top of that. The only people I can see being able to combat Oni are people like Irie/Yukimura, who have enough technique to counter the strength, or people like Sanada/Kintarou who have the natural ability to handle powerful shots. Atobe is not in any of those categories. He has less technique than the one camp, and less power than the other camp. Oni wins this.

Why would you think Oni might > Duke? Do you mean strictly strength wise? Or you means their overall power? Because the 1st stringer ranking seems to disagree with you.

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Re: [Round 1 - Team 6 vs Team 10 Singles 1] Oni vs Atobe

Originally Posted by Fayte

There's really no way around it, I can't see how Atobe could win. Oni is not only (serious) Irie level, but he is arguably the physically strongest person in the entire series. I means, the guy is lifting absurd boulders. Oni may even be above Babe Ruth who made Gin look like an idiot.

Tooyama casually lifted a motorbike.
Duke is the No.1 Power Player in Japan. There is somebody physically above Oni.
Secondly, we have Byoudouin Houou. Oni isn't even a Power Player. He just so happens to be DBZ strong.

I don't think the Original No.5 is above Original No.3 in strength.
Especially if Oni is in Doubles which I hope he isn't but likely is.

Re: [Round 1 - Team 6 vs Team 10 Singles 1] Oni vs Atobe

Originally Posted by -Ken-

Maybe he'll explain it later. But until he does, I'm going with this ranking.

Why?
We've had Kaji Kazena as No.5, Irie Kanata wasn't on the list. Neither was Tokugawa Kazuya. They never justified why newcomer Echizen Ryoga was No.4, like for real, it isn't something to really base opinions on.

Re: [Round 1 - Team 6 vs Team 10 Singles 1] Oni vs Atobe

Originally Posted by Airgrimes

Why?
We've had Kaji Kazena as No.5, Irie Kanata wasn't on the list. Neither was Tokugawa Kazuya. They never justified why newcomer Echizen Ryoga was No.4, like for real, it isn't something to really base opinions on.

We don't know Kaji vs Oni score, and even if we did, that wasn't his original position anyways. Irie want to stay to raise the team's level. Kazuya haven't really expressed his opinion on it, but I reckon he had one. We might have to wait until his match. They hint that they already saw Ryoga play at least once and that's why they give Ryoga no 4 badge. Maybe Ryoga wasn't interested in higher up ranking. And even if Ryoga ranking is wrong, that's still just one ranking. If you don't trust the ranking, you shouldn't trust it for any characters, which means Byoudouin/Shuuji/Duke can be the weakest of genius 10. I don't see why "Oh, I'll trust it for these characters" and "Nope, I'm not trusting it for these characters.". That's simply two standards. That's why I'm just going to trust the ranking until Konomi stated otherwise. And even if the guy look weak, it doesn't necessary means he is weak. Sanada can probably 6-0 Hiyoshi. But Hiyoshi can 6-0 some other characters as well. This means that just because they appear weak on manga doesn't show anything about their actual level. So unless Konomi stated something about this ranking, I'm going with it.

Most of the thing I post is probably assumption if it's not a fact that I support using some evidence from the manga.

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Re: [Round 1 - Team 6 vs Team 10 Singles 1] Oni vs Atobe

Originally Posted by -Ken-

If you don't trust the ranking, you shouldn't trust it for any characters, which means Byoudouin/Shuuji/Duke can be the weakest of genius 10. I don't see why "Oh, I'll trust it for these characters" and "Nope, I'm not trusting it for these characters.". That's simply two standards. That's why I'm just going to trust the ranking until Konomi stated otherwise.

Now you're being stupid.
Byoudouin showed us why he is No.1 since he damaged Tokugawa last year.
Saying Duke, Byoudouin and Tanegashima could be the weakest of the G10 AFTER we have seen Tohno, Kimijima, Ochi and Mouri is silly.
It's too extreme.

We don't know if Byoudouin and Tanegashima are the best and 2nd best, but No.s 1 and 2, seem to be more solid than No.s 7-20.
Tanegashima who didn't have that ''surprised'' expression when watching Tezuka unlike the others at the camp let's us know he isn't going to be the weakest of the G10 now that we have seen Mouri etc.

When did I ever say ''I am trusting it for these characters'' but ''Not these characters''? You're putting words in peoples mouths. Don't make things up.

Originally Posted by -Ken-

And even if the guy look weak, it doesn't necessary means he is weak. Sanada can probably 6-0 Hiyoshi. But Hiyoshi can 6-0 some other characters as well. This means that just because they appear weak on manga doesn't show anything about their actual level. So unless Konomi stated something about this ranking, I'm going with it.

Re: [Round 1 - Team 6 vs Team 10 Singles 1] Oni vs Atobe

Originally Posted by Airgrimes

Now you're being stupid.
Byoudouin showed us why he is No.1 since he damaged Tokugawa last year.
Saying Duke, Byoudouin and Tanegashima could be the weakest of the G10 AFTER we have seen Tohno, Kimijima, Ochi and Mouri is silly.
It's too extreme.

We don't know if Byoudouin and Tanegashima are the best and 2nd best, but No.s 1 and 2, seem to be more solid than No.s 7-20.
Tanegashima who didn't have that ''surprised'' expression when watching Tezuka unlike the others at the camp let's us know he isn't going to be the weakest of the G10 now that we have seen Mouri etc.

When did I ever say ''I am trusting it for these characters'' but ''Not these characters''? You're putting words in peoples mouths. Don't make things up.

What does this have to do with what I said?

The reason I said these is that you don't seem to believe the ranking Konomi gave us himself? All I'm saying is that without any evidence that the ranking are false, they are true for now.

And of course I think the top 3 are actual top 3 with the actual ranking. I told you I believe that his ranking is right. And since it seemed it could be right for top 3, I don't see a reason why it might not be right for 5-20 either.

I'm actually not putting words in your mouth. I simply said

"I don't see why "Oh, I'll trust it for these characters" and "Nope, I'm not trusting it for these characters.". That's simply two standards."

which just means that it's either you trust the ranking for all of them or ranking for none of them. That is my point

And the long things that you think are silly are counterpoint just in case you'll say "Do you think Sharpshooter can't beat Twin?" or something like that. Nothing shows that he can't. The twin base stats could be high enough, and you really don't have a way to tell. The 1st stringer ranking are cannon and unbiased.

Last edited by -Ken-; September 24, 2012 at 07:17 PM.

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Re: [Round 1 - Team 6 vs Team 10 Singles 1] Oni vs Atobe

Oni wins.
he has more mysterious powers and his black jacknife. I'm also assuming he has more tennis exp and he knows the powers of top10 u17. we've seen atobe at his best in recent chapters, he's evolved, but i'm not that impressed.