Okay, watched the Rocks Raw episode and the latest Smackdown. Midian this whole wrestling thing has seriously gone downhill since the Attitude era. Who the fuck are these guys? They are terrible. CM Punk? What the fuck? He looks like a bloke who collects trolleys at a shopping centre. I watched him cut a demo, it's even more wooden than his wrestling. I'll watch Mania but I'm not watching this shit.

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In general Monday Night Raw is total horse shit, unless you're a die hard fan don't waste your time with it unless there's something really good on it (i.e. The Rock). Basically, and I think I posted this elsewhere in this thread, Raw is basically the sell Cena/Orton merchandise show. It's the same shit every week, Cena/Orton get beat up then miraculously win with a attitude adjustment/RKO and all the kids cheer and go buy more tshirts/dvds.

Smackdown is 10 times better as its more focused on wrestling and good storylines/angles and has a much, much better roster than Raw. You probably picked the worse week to watch it though as it was a special edition (600th episode) and they had all the plebs from Raw on the show, although the Ziggler thing this week was pretty good.

But yeah, attitude era is looooong gone, the company knows they lost most of the viewers of that era to UFC/TUF so now it's all about making the company as profitable as possible to everyone else (kids/women etc). Then again, WWE had big declines in most profit centers last year so maybe Rock coming back is a shift to a new programming direction. One thing that gives me that idea is they didn't censor Rocks promo at all in any of the repeats on Superstars/Smackdown etc so maybe they're thinking of going back to attitude era broadcasting.

TNA are doing their best to completely rip off the attitude era at the moment (blood/swearing/high risk shit), so check out Impact if you like. I can't get into it as I just don't like their roster but loads of other people rate it.

Most fans left because of the talent the WWE invested in.
I realise you can't keep watching Hulk Hogan go around every week but all these new guys have no persona what so ever.
Maybe it was just an amazing generation but there is no guy in the current roster so far that I've seen that is anything near good.
I bet you fans would come back if there was something worth coming back for.
It says something when people get more excited in the Royal Rumble about Booker T being in it than the actual event itself!

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Maybe it was just an amazing generation but there is no guy in the current roster so far that I've seen that is anything near good.

i agree. about the closest ive seen was when ric flair, triple h, randy orton and batista were all doing the evolution thing and ended up turning on each other. that one reached some heights, i thought anyway.
not too long after that they had a big smackdown vs raw thing going on at summerslam, culmiating in the undertaker coming back for randy and reigniting that whole thing.

those are the best bits ive seen in a long time now, i guess they were just getting to the point where all the dudes were getting too old and had to bring in new young guys who unfortunately are just big balls of muscle and not much else in most cases.

will watch today's elimination chamber, that is always an awesome ppv anyway. bit more interested in it all after rocky came back.

just quietly... is it just me, or does bringing bret hart, the rock, and now the recently retired shawn michaels out of retirement smack of desperation, just a little?

Cena winning the Raw event means there's virtually NO chance that he will be facing The Rock @ Mania because he'll be competing against Miz for the WWE Championship. That more than likely means that The Rocks main involvement @ Mania will be the "special guest referee" of the main event and will probably get involved with a few of his trademark moves and help one of them win. That goes along with what Rock said at his Raw promo that he'll be seeing Cena and Miz at Mania. Unless there's some mega-twist with the match becoming a three-way, which i very much doubt, it's bad news for anyone hoping to see Rock work a full match again (like me). I guess it was kind of expected though

The Smackdown elimination chamber event was 100% awesome. In fact, it was one of the best matches I've seen in ages and for a match that went well over one hour that's a great effort. If you're a casual fan, it's worth torrenting for this match alone.

No surprise that Miz beat Lawler as there was no way in hell they'd let Lawler headline Mania. The other matches weren't too bad either, Del Rio won over Kingston and Slater/Gabriel beat Morello/Kozlov to win the tag titles. There was also a run in by Trish Stratus during a beat down of Kelly Kelly by Lay Cool

So the Mania card (so far) is:

Miz vs Cena for the WWE Championship (100% sure this will be guest referee'd by The Rock)
Edge vs Del Rio for the World Heavyweight Championship
Slater/Gabriel vs ??? for the Tag Championship
Eve vs ??? for the Divas Championship (my bet is Kelly Kelly)
Kingston vs ??? for the Intercontenental Championship
Daniel Brian vs ??? for the US Championship
Undertaker vs ??? for the streak (rumor is it's Wayde Barret)
+ the Money in the Bank ladder match and 1 or 2 other mid-card events

Cena winning the Raw event means there's virtually NO chance that he will be facing The Rock @ Mania because he'll be competing against Miz for the WWE Championship. That more than likely means that The Rocks main involvement @ Mania will be the "special guest referee" of the main event and will probably get involved with a few of his trademark moves and help one of them win. That goes along with what Rock said at his Raw promo that he'll be seeing Cena and Miz at Mania. Unless there's some mega-twist with the match becoming a three-way, which i very much doubt, it's bad news for anyone hoping to see Rock work a full match again (like me). I guess it was kind of expected though

The Smackdown elimination chamber event was 100% awesome. In fact, it was one of the best matches I've seen in ages and for a match that went well over one hour that's a great effort. If you're a casual fan, it's worth torrenting for this match alone.

No surprise that Miz beat Lawler as there was no way in hell they'd let Lawler headline Mania. The other matches weren't too bad either, Del Rio won over Kingston and Slater/Gabriel beat Morello/Kozlov to win the tag titles. There was also a run in by Trish Stratus during a beat down of Kelly Kelly by Lay Cool

So the Mania card (so far) is:

Miz vs Cena for the WWE Championship (100% sure this will be guest referee'd by The Rock)
Edge vs Del Rio for the World Heavyweight Championship
Slater/Gabriel vs ??? for the Tag Championship
Eve vs ??? for the Divas Championship (my bet is Kelly Kelly)
Kingston vs ??? for the Intercontenental Championship
Daniel Brian vs ??? for the US Championship
Undertaker vs ??? for the streak (rumor is it's Wayde Barret)
+ the Money in the Bank ladder match and 1 or 2 other mid-card events

Dam That should be good both of them coming back on the same night epic,

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Miz vs Cena for the WWE Championship (100% sure this will be guest referee'd by The Rock)
Undertaker vs ??? for the streak (rumor is it's Wayde Barret)

I have a feeling it with cena vs miz and rock ref that will be an epic match with both in the same match,

can't wait for undertaker to come back and beat the hell out of barret, he's so darn annoying, still can't belive there two different forces on raw and sd, The core and nexus, what a joke, hope the rock bag the hell out them.

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Actually, I can see it now, as Raw matches are so predictable. Cena vs Miz with Rock refereeing, Cena dominates Miz for 10 mins, Nexus and Punk interfere with the match, Rock takes them out with a few Rock Bottoms on the Nexus and People's Elbow on Punk, Alex Riley cheapshots Cena while this is happening, Rock doesn't see it, Miz pins him, Rock counts, Miz wins, Rock realises what happens and drops Miz and Riley, Rocks music plays while he takes the belt and mounts the corner post, Mania over, fans go home happy because they got to see Rock do a few things.

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Depends on your internet cap. The Smackdown Chamber match was 100% awesome. In fact, yeah it was one of the best matches I've seen in ages and for a match that went well over one hour that's a great effort. If you've got 1.3 gigs to burn, it's worth torrenting for this match alone.

The rest of it is fairly average with the odd decent bit here and there, but it does set out much of the plan for Wrestlemania. No guest appearance by Rock, in case anyone was thinking of downloading just for that.

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Something is definitely changing at WWE - butter wouldn't melt in his mouth Cena went back to his rapper gimmick at the end of Raw and just delivered a very NOT pg rated promo to answer The Rock from last week. Attitude is coming back?

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Yeah but it's more the fact that Cena, face of the child-friendly WWE, was on TV telling rock to polish his balls/calling him gay/telling him to blow him etc etc

Taker vs HHH will be great, I've always thought HHH is quite limited as a wrestler but Taker can make *anyone* look good in the ring. I'm just not getting my hopes up as there's no way it will be the same kind of epic match that the last two Taker/Michaels matches were.

Apparently there are no career stipulations for Taker vs HHH this year, but who knows if they'll change their mind. There was lots of talk that Shawn Michaels would be guest referee for the fight giving the angle that he’s HHH’s best mate and obviously holds a grudge for losing twice at Mania to Taker, so Taker would almost be in a 2 on 1 handicap match of sorts as there’s no way he’d get fair refereeing.

The Rock coming back has apparently shelfed that idea as they don’t want to do two guest referees in the one night and Rock will be a bigger draw card than HBK as guest referee, but again who knows.

There's a bit more gossip on how that's meant to build, it’s buried in spoiler tags (below) – read at your own risk because it possibly has a few Mania spoilers and it may ruin the hype for you, obviously…

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The plan, as far as I’ve read, is for Taker to win clean over HHH this year to set it up for Mania next year. The 2012 stipulation will be double career vs streak – if HHH loses he retires and if Undertaker wins he retires undefeated at 20-0 at Mania. Apparently they both want to retire after the next Mania and Taker and HHH have agreed this is how they’ll do it as a part of a long angle, so this is how WWE will send them both out – and it will be huge for PPV buys too.

On to The Rock, apparently his deal is a big contract that does include at least one match. Apparently Mania is meant to be just the beginning of a long 12 month Cena vs Rock angle, so you can guess that means that Rock is going to screw Cena out of the WWE title at Mania (or at least try to) and build the fued. Apparently it was meant to conclude with Rock vs Cena as the main event at next years Mania which would make a huge event with the Taker/HHH retirement match, but apparently the bigger than expected amount of media/public interest that came from Rock returning and the unpredictability of Rocks movie schedule means they’re looking to push the match forward and it will happen at Summerslam this year.

That’s from some wrestling news websites, but take it with a grain of salt as who knows whether its right or not.

We took a look at his goods when we got him home. I never want to see anything like that again - it looked like his penis had been traumatically amputated and stitched back on by a blind grandmother with no arms.

Am still watching... didn't think the Rocks promo last week was as good as his first one.

I actually thought the second promo was much better than the first. The first promo was great, but it was kinda “hey, I’m back, and I’m going to pack every single catch phrase I used in my WWF career into the one promo” – like a classics collection or something.

The second promo was classic Rock taking it to someone, really laying into them without the need to pull out all of his classic phrases to be effective. Some parts were much funnier than the first one.

I guess the real problem is that The Rocks promos are never really good when taped, he’s the kind of person that really thrives with the crowd energy so he needs to be on stage when delivering. Too many times the crowd wanted to chant and he wasn’t able to hold for it which would have made it much better. Plus he was copping big heat from the crowd for not being there in person too. They should have him live at least every fortnight between now and Mania I reckon.

Looking forward to Stone Cold tomorrow, how epic would it be if the show finished with Rock and Austin squaring up? one can dream

Shit yeah, loved Stone Cold! Hasn't lost it at all. Would love to see him back semi-regularly. Midian, what's the gossip?
JBL might come back? Must say I liked Bradshaw more as an Acoloyte, 'we need beer money' lulz.

Also, watched the latest TNA PPV where Hardy won, don't rate it. Has the same vibe I didn't like in WCW, where it was all guys that werent good enough for or had issues with WWE.

a few average episode of raw lately next weeks episode is going to epic the rock and cena, i still can't believe the fucked miz has been coping the rocks moves, and i really hope the rock smackdowns the miz back down to earth and how him how it all done , what a fuckhead he really is,