After having the Ultimate and discussing with a guy at my LHS he pointed me in the direction of Sebart and more specifically toward the SU29 30E, this was my first venture away from E-Flite at the time and what seemed to me like a really big model at the time, I enjoyed this plane although had an issue with the motor box braking whilst perofrming knife edge spins. In the end I sold this one on as I'd come across 3D Hobby Shop in the USA and my next goal was to get the 51" AJ Slick.