I don't want to host an image, but...I don't see how a functional vent could decrease aerodynamics escpecially in the Camaro... The reason I say this because with cowl induction alone, the lower pressure will suck air in from the the windsheild thats flowing over the car, Instead with the functional vent, the air will just flow through the front and be pushed out of the cowl, smoothly flowing over the windsheild and past the car....thats just my theory lol

I don't want to host an image, but...I don't see how a functional vent could decrease aerodynamics escpecially in the Camaro... The reason I say this because with cowl induction alone, the lower pressure will suck air in from the the windsheild thats flowing over the car, Instead with the functional vent, the air will just flow through the front and be pushed out of the cowl, smoothly flowing over the windsheild and past the car....thats just my theory lol

The idea of a vent being "functional is that the vent plugs right into the Air intake. So the air can enter the engine without all the heat from the engine compartment. But The Cowl does the same thing. So to have em both be truly functional is a bit redundant. I was hoping the cowl hood would be for looks and the hood vent would be for air intake.

I don't want to host an image, but...I don't see how a functional vent could decrease aerodynamics escpecially in the Camaro... The reason I say this because with cowl induction alone, the lower pressure will suck air in from the the windsheild thats flowing over the car, Instead with the functional vent, the air will just flow through the front and be pushed out of the cowl, smoothly flowing over the windsheild and past the car....thats just my theory lol

But as you said, the point of a cowl is to draw air in not blow it out. By having a 'flow through' design you could degrade or eliminate the performance effects of a cowl induction hood. also, engines aren't the smoothest of surfaces, even with the nifty covers that they now have. lots of little bumps and valleys to create drag. How much? I have no clue, but enough to be undesireable I bet. I'm not an expert on any of this stuff so don't treat it as gospel.

Tell ya what, if camero or Fbodfather gives me the CAD files of the Camaro, I can try a simulation and see what happens. You guys use UGS at GM for that stuff don't you? If not I also have SolidEdge and SolidWorks availible (I love this school!). Now, the model would have to include the engines you use, as well as the design of the entire front end, such as headlights. In fact, just put everything you have onto a disc and send it to me. No? I promise I won't tell anyone what those features are, its just for doing a little simulation. Still no? damm, it was worth a shot!

__________________

Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them
__________________don't believe a thing you read about the next gen Camaro -- as history has proven time and time again:

WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT FUTURE PRODUCT PLANS PERIOD FbodFather __________________

Errr, I don't completely agree with you, but we'll leave it at that...Leading me to the next question though...Is the cowl functional? Hahaha, new questions.

Thats fine, you have at least as good of a chance at being right as I do. Half that post was an attempt to get CAD files. And I only had 1 course in fluid mechanics, that was 2 years ago, and none of it was as complex as car aerodynamics. Done nothing with that stuff since so I only remember the basics. Oh, and I have no clue about on the functionality of the cowl

__________________

Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them
__________________don't believe a thing you read about the next gen Camaro -- as history has proven time and time again:

WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT FUTURE PRODUCT PLANS PERIOD FbodFather __________________

The idea of a vent being "functional is that the vent plugs right into the Air intake. So the air can enter the engine without all the heat from the engine compartment. But The Cowl does the same thing. So to have em both be truly functional is a bit redundant. I was hoping the cowl hood would be for looks and the hood vent would be for air intake.

Yeah we almost left the front vent off the showcar for that very reason... it really makes no sense, but it just looked so cool it stayed on! Then the same thing with the cowl vent (I didn't even think anyone would notice it though).

Quote:

Originally Posted by DGthe3

...Tell ya what, if camero or Fbodfather gives me the CAD files of the Camaro, I can try a simulation and see what happens. You guys use UGS at GM for that stuff don't you? If not I also have SolidEdge and SolidWorks availible (I love this school!). Now, the model would have to include the engines you use, as well as the design of the entire front end, such as headlights. In fact, just put everything you have onto a disc and send it to me. No? I promise I won't tell anyone what those features are, its just for doing a little simulation. Still no? damm, it was worth a shot!

Actually there has been pretty much that very disc sitting on my desk for the past couple weeks. You've reminded me to get it to the shredder today! Thanks!

Yeah we almost left the front vent off the showcar for that very reason... it really makes no sense, but it just looked so cool it stayed on! Then the same thing with the cowl vent (I didn't even think anyone would notice it though)....

So, then can we assume that neither is truly "functional"...

If your answer is y..yyy..ye.yee..ee.e..ssss :whew: Then expect your answer to be drowned out with random noise as before.....

Regarding hood vents... If I'm not mistaken weren't the hood vents added to the production corvettes so the race cars could then have them be truly functional without breaking the rules??? Is that part of the reason why the camaro will have them... That and of couse because the Camaro"s will be functional...

The way I understood it, air doesn't actually go into a cowl hood. Air hitting the base of the windshield creates an area of cold low pressure right in front of the cowl opening. This allows heat from the engine compartment to easily escape. So it's more of a vent than an air intake and simply having it cutout would make it functional. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Actually there has been pretty much that very disc sitting on my desk for the past couple weeks. You've reminded me to get it to the shredder today! Thanks!

No need to do that . . . I'll keep it safe, I promise. I shall gaurd it with my life! There is no way that its information would get to other manufacturers. I'll even sign my life away if you wish. It would probably be my most prized possesion. But if you must destroy that disk, thats fine. Just make a copy first and send that to me . . . persistant aren't I?

Same goes with the prototype vehicles. GM can't sell them because of liability, or even give them away. But when you are done with them, and just happened to leave them unlocked, with the keys in, your problems would go away pretty quick.

__________________

Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them
__________________don't believe a thing you read about the next gen Camaro -- as history has proven time and time again:

WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT FUTURE PRODUCT PLANS PERIOD FbodFather __________________

In the event that the front vent isn't functional on the production Camaro...I'm hoping that it will at least LOOK like it's open...possibly with mesh or some sort of screen (like on 4th Gen SS hoods, even though those are functional). I think about the current mustangs GT (not Mach, Parnelli Jones, or other specialty versions)...in cluding the style before the 05-07...when hood scoops are put on those...they are BLATANTLY non-functional...

Note, if I've gotten any facts wrong in the above, just ignore any points I made with them
__________________don't believe a thing you read about the next gen Camaro -- as history has proven time and time again:

WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT FUTURE PRODUCT PLANS PERIOD FbodFather __________________

^then GM is really good at this fake vent thing. i could have swore the scoops on the G8 were functional. well if they can fool me (and appently others) on that, then i feel pretty confident that the camaro's scoop will look real (even if it's not)

Looking at a couple Z06s I thought they functioned, but didn't do anything. What I mean is, there is a rea hole there, however it doesn't feed the air cleaner or anything like that.

I'm not much of a fan of nonfunctional scoops, but as long as they are tasteful and have some sort of design purpose, I'm down.

__________________

"...What IS true: We anticipated that this would happen - we are never finished - and yes, Ford DOES deserve to win now and then. To think that GM can come out with a car to make ford throw in the towel is simply foolhardy..." - fbodfather