Time for me to come clean

That was my stupid error! "Chloe" just saw your e-mail & replied back to you...... I deleted the one I just put on TP telling you I hadn't received it. I guess I didn't delete it quick enough! Sorry! LOL! I gave you her name in the event she tries to contact you about one of them. :) Happy Housecleaning!

Nikki, the only reason that we are upset with Duck is because they way they had come on to this board, with a negative attitude. Like I said, I don't know any of you very well yet, but nobody's perfect and nobody has the right to judge anybody until they know all the facts.

Duck isn't any better. He/she came to post stuff in the manner of Basset being careless because she doesn't have her pets spayed, which, in my opinion, someone is allowed to have un-altered pets, it's not the law to have them spayed or neutered, it's just a good idea so they don't procreate. If her pets are un-altered, maybe it's because they're generally a breeding dog, or maybe it's something else, who knows, only Basset does and I'm not one to pry on her reasons.

""As suggested, if you would adopt the 3 dogs from a shelter that you say the birth of my puppies will cause to die, that should ease your mind.

Or better yet, go torment someone else on another forum. Hmmmmm, funny thing is, your number of posts is mysteriously low, would that be an indication that you are a previously banned ex-member of TP and are bitter about that? ""

Well BL, sadly it isn't my job to clean up your mistakes. The problem isn't with adoptees, it's with the people who drop the puppies off. You don't know where they'll end up once they leave you. Maybe you'll keep them all and hopefully get your other dogs (and the puppies) fixed. Telling someone to go adopt 3 dogs because you made a mistake (so that everything is ok) is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Accidental breedings are a hot topic for me. You knew it would cause problems here thats why you never even said anything until after they were born. You may be the most loving pet owner in the world, but it doesn't excuse the fact that you allowed these dogs to breed. Animals are not like us. They will go to any length to mate. That has been said here before. As a pet owner, you should have known that. Anyone who has to unaltered dogs in the house and then says it was an accidental breeding is out of their mind. The accident was that you didn't get your dogs fixed in the first place.

As far as me being a banned member here, think again. I was here over a year ago asking questions about doggie daycares. I have already explained myself on that one.

You can try all you like to turn this around on me, but I'm not the one sitting there with an accidental breeding while the shelters are overrun with animals.

You want me to go adopt 3 dogs to cover for your mistake? Why not tell that to the next 3 dogs who get PTS. Tell them that it is my responsibility for not running out and adopting them and that your accidental breeding had nothing to do with it.

You really shouldn't be so obsessed with me and my life. I'm flattered by all the attention you bestow upon me, but my dogs are not in shelters and my dogs and / or puppies are NOT the cause of pet over-population.

Nice try, however it failed and you're still ruthlessly attracted to me and that's not healthy for you. I'm already taken.

I have been on this board far longer than most here and duck was making a statement of stuff that has been going on long before you were here. He is saying exactly what you are saying. He is upset that people here jump on new members for doing the same thing and not old members. Not really directed at basset.

Stick around for awhile you'll understnd more what he means.

Nikki

***Edited By: nikkispnce on 6/25/2005 5:58:30 PM***Reason: posted before I was done.

Nikki, I actually watched this forum for about a month before I actually joined because I wanted to see how it's members treated other members and before this topic, it was great.

I have never seen someone badmouth somebody else so much for not having their pets spayed or neutered. You're not Bob Barker you know.

Even if Basset's puppies were of a so-called "accidental" breeding, it doesn't mean they're going to end up in a shelter like you're suggesting. Didn't you read? She said her mom and her aunt are most likely both adopting one each and some members here also want in. If I were closer, I would want one also but seeing as I'm up here in the great white norht (Canada for those who don't know ;) ) I'm too far to adopt one of these precious bundles of joy.

I'm with Basset on this one, Duck probably doesn't have anyone else to look up to and just wants in on the action around here because he/she can't find anything better to do. Give it a rest already, we heard it before, we don't need to hear it over and over again.

Basset, I have confidence that these pups will be going to good homes no matter what people are saying. But like you suggested at the beginning, you should consider spaying-neutering them before they go that way everyone is safe. Good Luck and God Bless!

i think the reason bassett isnt getting jumped on is because we know her. if bassett says it is an accident then that is good enough for me. i dont live with her or know her personally but from what i have seen of her on this board i believe what she has to say about it being accidental and that she will do right by the puppies. also the fact that she appears to be giving them to family shows that it wasn't something she did purposely for money.

From what I understand and gather from what I've been reading, Basset does not spay/neuter her dogs because they are breeding dogs (not to each other). (Responsible) Nowhere did she say, "Oh, I never spay/neutered my dogs because I like them el'natural (sp)." (Irresponsible) She had a reason not to alter her dogs. She also stated that it was an accident and found out too late to abort the babies. Here's the kicker, she is a breeder and her two dogs got together on a hot summer night and did the forbidden act of cross-breeding. Does this happen to even the best of breeders? Yes. Did she have two little dogs running around unaltered for no reason? No. I apologize if I am repeating what others have said, but I believe that those puppies have her best interest at heart. Unplanned pregnancies happen to both dog and human worlds. Some are aborted, some are too late. Do we bash Basset on the head and tell her what a bad mom she was? Why? Does that help? No. She knew it was an accident, she breeds pure breds - not mixes. She has learned a lesson. Should she have her puppies put down so that they don't end up in a shelter? Hell no. Should she sell them? Yes, only a fool will give puppies away for free - free attracts those who want a cheap deal. She is being smart. She is dealing with this lesson and is not taking her anger out on her puppies. She learned and is making the best out of the situation. As far as people responding to her in comparison to others, she has earned her credibility here and has explained in a mature way what had happened. She is not promoting mix-breeding and is not bragging that she can now make some bucks off a designer breed. Basset, congrats again, girl. Good luck with the cuties!

I, myself, was adopted. But if I go by what duck bitter or bitter duck is preaching, perhaps I should have been euthanized at birth or better yet, aborted.

Because I was an un-planned pregnancy, would that be a good enough reason for people like bitter duck to want me euthanized?

Because I was put up for adoption, did that cause another child to be murdered and thus not adopted?

Would bitter duck rather that I, myself, had stayed with my birth mother, who was unable to properly care for me?

I am glad that my birth mother chose not to abort me and then chose to find a better life for me.

I am so grateful that I was adopted and brought up by the 2 most wonderful parents in the world. The same parents that instilled upon me to look for the goodness in others. To look beyond the outside and look inside to see what makes a person wonderful. To not focus on negativity, a trait which bitter duck does not possess.

Thanks to God, they bestowed upon me a love for animals and all of God's creatures and creations. Thanks to God, they never taught me to see a person's skin tone or a person's religion or a person's beliefs as a means of judgement.

So, I will sit back and let you criticize away bitter duck. You seem to have nothing better in this life to do than to knit-pick.

Afterall you must be perfect, at least in your own eyes.

Basset_Lover (who still loves her puppies no matter what the bitter duck says)

People are haranged about not spuetering for fear of accidents.. people looking for whelping info are told off... since there are enough badly bred puppies in this world, not to mention full grown dogs that may never find homes. There are far too few great breeders... it takes far too much out of most people to get to that level, which I guess is what partially perpetuates the cycle.. but that's kinda off topic.

If this had been a short term member or a one post wonder, there might have been a few cute comments, and a lot of why weren't they fixed comments.

The puppies are cute, and I'm sure they will with care go to great homes.

I don't agree with the shelter comments.. yes, there are enough dogs in shelters.. and if everyone had a litter it would certainly cause havock. But, complaining about it doesn't make the puppies unborn.

Although it does disturb me that a dog with mediocre genetics wasn't fixed so this couldn't happen, the female was wearing protection, so it wasn't a free for all, let alone irresponsibility of not caring.

I really hope that this didn't offend anyone. I've been sitting back and avoiding this topic because I didn't want to hurt anyone.. and I tried to word it carefully...

i guess ill chime in on this topic also...Leaving basset out of the equasion...i would like to say...i persoanlly have never jumped on a person who told of a litter of planed or unplaned puppies. I do think that basset is doing everything possable ans the fact that she was made to feel bad to admit the litter shows that this is not a place that openly admitting to breeding is possable. I have been here a long time too and the atmospher has changed some what ans it is a easier atmospher then when i came on board. I say so what...to each his own...her house is her buesiness...and any new member who boasts of new pups generally has problems when they say how or why rthings happen. The way that you answer things makes all the difference. I think only a few really jump on folks with people over this...and i cant remember basset ever joining in with the bashing...so...as i do see ducks point...i think thast basset isnt the one to take it all out on. I say so what that she took the dAL TO THE POUND..I WOULD TOO...IF IT WAS NOT A FIT IN my home...she isnt obligated to rescue a dog...and rescue isnt for everyone..and people like me...who have done it longer then some on this board have even been alive...even we get burned out..so...i would like to ask...that we dont take things out on basset for what the whole site has done...over time...she is an individual and not responcable for how the board answers posts on puppies...she diont say...look at what i made..the newest fad...and im charging 1000 for it..on sale...with no shots and not vet care...so please...lets not say things that we cant take back...I would like to state as i did when i first posted that im sad that she cuold not feel comfortqable enough to share this news from the begining...but she told us so no harm no foul. She is one of the good guys...so duck...can we not let this go till some one gets offended or feelings hurt...we all have the same things in common...remember?

Oh Hardy Har Har! You now resort to calling names because that is the only denfense you have. Are you even old enough breed dogs?

If you think for a minute that I'm obsessed with your life, think again. I'd never waste my time obsessing over a person which such irresponsibility. I'd rather obsess over someone I could learn from.

If you want me to get off your back then you need to get your dogs fixed. All of them. That way we aren't going through another 'accident' down the road.

FOr all of you saying that she was possibly going to breed the dogs I say you are making excuses as well.

If she was going to breed them then that turns into a whole new issue because they are different breeds. Was she going to become a designer mutt breeder? Looks like she started a little early. Your first batch will be ready for shipment in no time!

I probably wouldn't be so hard on her if it weren't for the fact that you all are taking up for her because you "know" her. Oh dear god, you don't know anyone on the net. Get real.

I may be the hardest spoken, but not the only one who feels this way.

Basset, if you are going to breed then fine but get 2 dogs of the same at least! Geesh.

Nothing better to do tonight than to prove my point. I h ave an opinion on this too as it is posted on a public discussion board. Just to clear up any confusion about others getting treated differently here, allow me to show you some previous posts from posters here on this same topic. Notice how differently these people were treated. Be sure you notice who this first post is from ;-)

(example 1)

Basset_Lover Senior Member

joined: 11/23/2004 posts: 945

msg #41 IP: Logged 11:28:56 PM 4/18/2005

Why produce more mixed breed dogs? There are 1000's of mixed breeds being euthanized daily. Don't add to the problem. Your puppies are cute. Get them spayed and neutered.

Basset_Lover

(example 2)

scout1 Moderator

joined: 1/30/2004 posts: 7776

msg #9 IP: Logged 8:31:43 PM 4/18/2005

breeding a mutt with a nother mutt will only get you a litter of mutts. there is no way of knowing what the puppies will look like. they could look like chi's, pom's or any combination of the two.

breeding mutts most certainly DOES NOT bring out the best qualitties of the breeds you chose to breed together. NOR, does it make them healthier then any other breed out there.

jbg - you really have a lot of nerve calling the above posters nasty. this is not neverland where everyone dances around the harsh realities because they are afraid to speak the truth and possibly hurt someones widdle feelings. if someone is going to breed in a manner that is very controversial then they should expect to hear some negative thoughts. it DOES NOT make the people who state what they think NASTY. just shows they actually CARE what is happening out there to all the millions of cross bred dogs who were produced with the same mentality as this posters. if people stopped thinking hey this wont happen to me, alot of peoples problems would be solved, and subsequently the shelters dogs too.

(example 3, talking about how nasty they are)

jbg Senior Member

joined: 4/3/2004 posts: 859

msg #14 IP: Logged 8:48:26 PM 4/18/2005

Ya know Scout....I have just as much right to voice my opinion as you do....you have alot of nerve to jump on me. People don't always have to be nasty to new people. They come here looking for advise not looking to get jumped all over for asking a question. There are ways to get your views accross with out being rude. I wasn't being rude or nasty to anyone. I just wanted to let the op know that not everyone is mean and nasty here. I never saw in the rules where it said I have to go along with everone just to post here. As a matter of fact....I did follow all the rules by treating others with respect.

(example 4)

scout1 Moderator

joined: 1/30/2004 posts: 7779

msg #17 IP: Logged 8:52:53 PM 4/18/2005

you are more then welcome to share info here but if you are looking for specific information on how to perpetuate an ever increasing nationwide problem then you have picked the wrong forum. there are few , IF ANY, people on this forum who are pro breeding mutts. you may want to contact the "breeder" you got your pair from and ask if she is a member of a forum where they encourage this type of breeding.

(example 5) Shig Junior Member

joined: 2/27/2005 posts: 99

msg #28 IP: Logged 9:11:55 PM 4/18/2005

You know this subject is a very touchy subject, and it stirs up a lot of controversy.

Some of us here deal personally with the shelter, like me, and have to see the results of what happens when these people just decide to do whatever they want and then dump the animal off when the cusey crap wears off.

So not all of us can sit here and jump for joy "Oh YAY! You're going to cross breed!! What a superdy duper idea!!!"

(example 6)

ShadowDog Senior Member

joined: 7/8/2004 posts: 2151

msg #29 IP: Logged 9:15:32 PM 4/18/2005

Breeding mutts is WRONG. Why?

How would you know then again? You don't spend 5 hours a week as a volunteer at the shelters. You don't see little puppies and the sweetest of dogs being put to sleep because of lack of space, despite all of your efforts to save them. You don't see people turning these dogs down and saying 'lets go get a better mutt from the breeder!' You don't see any of that, so the idea crosses your mind "Why not bring more mutts into the world? What can it hurt? It's just one batch!" But MANY people say that. And for every 'batch' goes the chance of one of those dogs getting adopted.

So why I act 'nasty' is because I CARE ABOUT THE DOGS THAT ACTAULLY NEED US.

(example 7, a smart one!)

Aceyfacey2 Senior Member

joined: 6/9/2004 posts: 2485

msg #57 IP: Logged 4:29:44 PM 4/19/2005

The OP asked a question and got responses. Rude, nice, mean, whatever. No where in the rules does it say that posters must sugercoat their responses to other members. Just because a response is heated does not mean it is nasty. Don't like a response? Move on, it's that simple.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and asking questions on a public forum is open to getting repsonses some people will not agree with or like. Thats the way it is. Some people do not agree with mix breeding and they're not afraid to tell you.

Age has nothing to do with it, people of every age are entitled to having and speaking opinions. Shadowdog is more mature than many people on this forum.