TINTIN Rumors Swirl! We Can Confirm One!

We received a whole mess of TINTIN rumors today, and, after a little bit o' verificatin', one even turned out to be true!
According to a reliable source not at all involved in the production, those rumblings we heard last fall about Simon Pegg and Nick Frost being cast as the Thomson and Thompson were right on the money. They're in. Along with Andy Serkis, who's set to play Captain Haddock, this runs the number of confirmed flesh-and-blood performers up to three!
With production allegedly a month away, expect these numbers to grow rapidly. At the top of the to-cast list for director Steven Spielberg (and producer Peter Jackson): a new Tintin to replace Thomas Sangster, who got knocked out due to scheduling conflicts when the project was delayed. But who knows? Maybe they'll start with Snowy the dog. And maybe they'll offer it to Howie Mandel, who was so memorable as a canine in Melvin Frank's 1987 triumph, WALK LIKE A MAN (my kingdom for a Hulu embed).
Paramount and Sony are splitting the cost on the $135 million 3D performance-capture opus. You know the economy is shitty when studios are afraid to finance a Spielberg/Jackson picture. As reported many times over, Spielberg will direct the first installment, while Jackson will take the reins on the second. The first film is due out in 2010.

Nice to see a long gestating project like this see the light of day. I was worried that they wouldn't get the proper budget and would decline. I can't say I'm terribly excited to see this material on screen, but I'm sure it will be worth the price of admission just to see what these to masters do on a project that that they feel such fondness for.

BEOWULF was garbage. I don't care what anyone says.
TINTIN needs to be a mega-budget, period-set, live-action series with REAL actors and a script that is DIRECTLY taken from one (or two) of Herge's holy texts.
And the second film in the series MUST be a panel-accurate adaptation of THE CASTAFIORE EMEERALD, which is a glorious Jaques Tati-esque caper comedy.

They're two seperate people. Not actually twins. Thompson has an upturned moustache, while Thomson has a flat 'mo. And while the unavoidable fact is that Simon Pegg 15 years ago IS Tintin, I can't help but wonder how they'll ever find anyone more perfect for the role than him.

"I'll never trust Altman after 'Ready to Wear,'" or "Up yours, Houston. 'Phobia' sucked and so do you now." In other words, count a great director out after one of his lesser efforts and you are likely to get egg on your face.

..something's happened recently where I no longer feel the same way. When he was in Spaced, my uni flatmates thought he was the greatest thing since sliced bread. And when Shaun Of The Dead did well, I was happy that he was getting some recognition.<p>But now he's all over the place and..., well I don't know. I'm sorry, Simon. Maybe it was Run Fatboy Run that started this feeling in me. I really didn't think too much of that movie...

after watching it again recently I only then realised thats where the name came from (Is it?) Mr. Beaks is contender for the best "Fuck Off" in cinema history, to the lady when hes on the pay phone. <p>
O and about Frost and Pegg, great choice, <p>
Also isn't the mo-cap technology used the same as AVATAR's (go nut's)

so we really don't care about TinTin. It's just not that big over here. If this is meant for a wide US release it will tank regardless of who is directing or starring in it. It may do well overseas, but not here.

Pissed Off And Bitter: Nice reference! I almost agree. BEAKS: You should add: "Production on a second film will commence ONLY IF the first one is financially successful." And I'm not so sure it will be... MattInTheHat: Right on. Agreed. Like many here, I'm not really interested in TinTin, either, and not really in the latest "mo-cap phase" of filmmaking, and hey, I even love Jackson, but I'm STILL not interested in this -- what does that say about the project's public perception and potential?

runs right through me, every time! I know better. broccoli I tell myself, you can never go wrong with broccoli!!!! But NNNNOOOOO, I had to have salad with lunch. And here I am paying for it. Fucking hurts. Least I have u guys here to keep me company.

... yep, senior Spielberg. For the past 2 years he's been attached to the worst disaster of the year. It has been a long time since he turned out something truly great. Do I wish he'd turn out another great movie that blows away everything? Hell yea! But I just don't see it happening. With Jackson and Peg he definately has a descent shot at it, but that's no guarantee of sucess.

Why do mocap when there are so many talented young *real* dog actors? Or maybe Jonesey, or Snowflake... or even Cloudy and Lady Stardust -- twins who could trade off in case one got the trots. They're bitches, and they're closer to gray, but there is no reason not to apply colorblind casting here. Or maybe Triumph the Insult Comic Dog?

He has hits and misses. But you can't dismiss that he's a great director. He takes risks, and sometimes fails...but when he is on point we get masterpieces. Even is supposedly "bad" films are still good. The Terminal was fantastic, I don't care what anybody says!

Not to rain on the parade here but who cares about Tin Tin???? It's like maybe if this would have been made in the 70s there would be a demographic for this but in 2009???? Most of the people who read Tin Tin are in their 70s for christ sake. No one that was born in the 70s or later cares about Tin Tin. Sure Simon Pegg is one of my fav actors but this project seems like fail to me. I am not sure who they are trying to target with this.

...The Thompson Twins from "TinTin" did inspire the band name.
-sings- Waaaatching yoooooouuuuu, waaatching meeee....
Seriously, Simon Pegg is great. I saw "Run Fat Boy Run" and "How to Lose Friends and Alienate People" in the theaters this year and I wasn't disappointed. And he and Nick are comedy gold.

Not that I care all that much mind you. I still think Tintin would be better served by a collaboration with Studio Ghibli. This 3D mocap malarky would be better suited to John Carter Of Mars or Flash Gordon.

It's simple, really. Tintin may not be well-known in the states but is renowned internationally. Financially it makes sense to capitalise on a successful brand.
Even though Tintin is barely known in the USA, I doubt they'd have too much difficulty marketing a Steven Spielberg film about globetrotting adventure-seekers.

You know, The Moff, The Grand Moff, The Moffman Prophecies, Steven Fuckin' Moffat, that's Who. The upcoming producer of Doctor Who in 2010. The guy that asked Steven Spielberg to let him out of his gig for writing the other two Tin Tin films so he could helm Who instead. The guy that has written all the best Doctor Who episodes since it returned in 2005... The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, The Girl in the Fireplace, Blink, [Time Crash], and Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead. The guy that's won 3 Hugo Awards in a row. That guy. That's who!

You don't have A-list actors commanding 20 mil for the picture. This is supposedly a labor of love for Jackson and Spielburg who aren't in need of a payday. So why do they need 135 mil to make a Tintin movie? I might balk at that as well. I don't see Tintin making 300 mil domestic or anything. And it isn't like every Spielburg and Jackson film has made bank. For instance, Jackson spent 207 mil to make King Kong (that doesn't count marketing campaign) and then the film only made 218 mil domestic. Jackson's 4 films before LotR averaged 5 mil a picture in domestic gross. Spielburg's average gross is probably below his 135 mil budget. Again, no big actors, and Tintin isn't a major draw.

isn't it 135 million for both films? That's really not that bad. I'm not a fan of any of the motion capture films either, but I can't help but have faith in a team that includes Spielberg and Jackson. Plus, its got more Serkis. I'm there for the Serkis.

Indy IV had to have the story and script approved by Lucas. Despite that, the film is a good time munching popcorn. It lacks resolution. It isn't terrible by any stretch, but it certainly isn't a great film either.
And it is 135 for the first film. Spielberg and Jackson want to make 3 films, but haven't found a third filmmaker yet. They were turned down by Paramount for 135 on the first film, and now it looks like Spielberg got split financing.

For the first time ever, Stephen Spielberg and Peter Jackson are working together on (drum roll)... Tintin.<p>
I'm still just not very excited about this. I mean, the kiddies'll dig it, hopefully, (big maybe, actually), but I was hoping for something worthy of these directors' combined talents.<p> Honestly, Tintin? Really?<p>
Maybe they'll prove me wrong.

BTW slone13, I will blow it out my ass, a major-league dump on your fucking head.
Oh, yeah, maybe there are people in this world who give a fuck about Tintin, but in the US most of us could give a rat's ass (just telling it like it is) and Spielberg has not done anything of value in fucking years. So even if he was catering to the world outside the US (and yes, some of us acknowledge there is a world outside the US), Spielberg will probably fuck it up regardless. I think it's pretty clear that the reigning "king" of directors is Peter Jackson - why isn't he directing BOTH installments?
Regardless, I still don't give a fuck. Sorry.

It isn't perfect yet, but given enough time it will be suitable. Hand animation always works of course, but where hand animation exceeds is where cartoony character designs are concerned. I don't want attempts at photorealism to be the same way. Photorealism needs more restrictive animation and subtlty. A hand animator could achieve this as well, but mo-cap is simply faster. Video games have been doing mo-cap extremely well! Go check out 'Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots' the mo-cap (of course always tweaked and fixed afterwards with hand animation) is perfect! Far better than Beowulf! Video game companies are doing a far more amazing job than Hollywood... Anyway I like Beowulf. It is a step forward if flawed in amny ways and inevitably we'll get there. Hopefully Tintin will raise the bar again, but I wonder what the art style will be. If it's photorealistic, then mo-cap is good. If the characters are stylized, then they should hand animate it. Usually the best way to do things is utilizing both hand animation and mo-cap, just like blending in practical effects and CG does wonders. Ultimately we'll get the hang of it. As for Tintin not being receptive in America, they should then just title it 'Red Rackham's Tresure' or whatever the name of the comic is that they're doing then instead of calling it 'Tintin' or 'Tintin: Subtitle." They can still make a bunch of these movies using the book's title and featuring the same leads.

These stories have been crying out to be made by Hollywood for years. Years!! Amazing how you kids wet yourselves over crap like "Transformers" but don't give 2 shits about this. Proof that your taste is up your MTV asses. Herge created Tintin in 1929, he's been around for 80 years so spare us all the "waaah,... we don't know who he is" crap. Done correctly (and Spielberg/ Jackson seem to have enough respect for the material), these movies will be BIG.

and I grew up on Tin Tin, all this bashing is unacceptable. escape from Alcatraz, the red sea sharks, FLIGHT MOTHERFUCKIN 714...i might get shit for name dropping from some of the cynics but if y'all would take the time to read this shit you'd be amazed no matter where you are in your manchildhood

"Another Steven Spielberg movie? No thanks!"
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"No one knows what a Tin Tin is, so this movie will fail."
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You guys need to put down the pipe for a second, or at least stop trying to be Jerry Seinfeld.
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Firstly, I'd rather HOPE that Spielberg can make another classic, instead of writing him off and wishing he never makes another movie again. That’s just negative bullshit. You may as well just commit suicide right now if you can’t live in a world of hope.
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Secondly, everyone in Europe and the rest of the world knows what Tin Tin is. Just because fifteen of you have never heard of it, doesn't mean the rest of us don't think a movie is a great idea.
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Fuck. Why do I even bother?

Not every fucking film needs to cater to you.<p>And shut the fuck up! WAAAAH... I don't know what Tintin is! WAAAAH... Indy 4 wasn't very good. Spielbergs a hack now! WAAAAH!<P>For fucks sake. Spielberg and Jackson are teaming up to make a NEW film based on great kids adventure stories for you ungrateful pricks. You stupid fucks deserve Saw 6, Pirates 4, Spiderman 4,5,6,7,8,9 and all the other remake/reboot/rehash bullshit that your lapping up every day.<p>Go fuck yourselves you tasteless cunts.

I find it wonderfully ironic the way any time a remake or adaptation or sequel to a popular and well-known property is announced, the Talkbacks are full of people complaining (not unjustifiably) about the lack of originality in Hollywood, but as soon as there's an article about something TBers (in the US at least) aren't imediately familiar with it's all "I've never heard of this, what is this, why should I give a shit?"<p>If you want to see something different, you have to accept that it's going to be something that's new to you, and if you want people to take your geeky obsessions (and their film adaptations) seriously and give them a shot, it's only fair to take those of others seriously and give those a shot too. There are plenty of us in the world who grew up watching/reading Tintin rather than Transformers, or whatever. For the record I owned a basic Optimus Prime but had never seen the cartoon, and I thought the film was *okay*, which is pretty good for Michael Bay.

All i'm seeing is people bitching about not knowing what Tin Tin is ! Do you have to know ? If you do, GO TO A FUCKING LIBRARY AND FIND OUT ! Jeez, no wonder every other American film is a remake/sequel /based on a computer game/utter generic shit

i don't see them doing that on other stories about other things. hhmmm i wonder if thats because you are all full of shit? and also who cares if no one has heard of it. who had heard of indiana jones before raiders came out? john mcclane? people do go and see things they havent heard of before you know. so fucking lame all this "whats tintin?" horseshit.

do not give a fuck about Tintin. But that does not means this movie will flop. Most of us always cry for something NEW instead of remake or so. In this case, well, it is a comic adaptation, but a new thing for many people. If the movie is good I think U.S audience will be pleased by this "new" character.

& that's going to make it a hard sell. To newcomers who are interested, may I suggest CIGARS OF THE PHAROAH? It's a good one. It was first published in 1930's - and given that loads of the Tintin books pre-date the James Bond movies and books, I wonder how much the makes of the Bond movies in particular took inspiration from the baddies in Tintin. You'll see what I mean.

are you kidding? a proper grown up animation, that felt like a graphic novel brought to life? it was totally brilliant, Bob Z's best film since Contact. not just the geek things - the gore, the monsters, the action - but the story and plot. And what they did to the original poem - making it so (SPOILER ALERT!) the dragon is actually Beowulf's son - was inspired.

Take off your asshats fucktards. Just because Marvel or DC didn't publish the books you clowns remain unaware. As the U.S. fades into second-stringer status we can expect more Euro-centric productions to dominate.

by the ridiculous " I don't know what Tin Tin is" comments. You typed this bullshit on a fucking computer; is it too much to ask that you at the very least Google it? You'd hit an avalanche of information in about 0.3 of a second and stop wasting everyones time.<p>That said, I'm fairly unmoved by the notion of the whole mo-cap thing. Perhaps a teaser will wet my appetite. The stories are right up the Bergs street - proper boys own adventure stuff, I'm sure they'd find a huge audience.<p>FYI, Tin Tin has sold over two hundred million copies world wide. Even assuming a varying retail price that's revenue in the billion pound bracket...

I'm just saying financially that if it does not do well in the US with all the money they're pouring into it they better make it up elsewhere or it's going to seriously harm the studio financially. I am definitely not saying everything has to meet US audiences approval.

There is a huge audience for Tintin worldwide. And a film doesn't need to be a massive hit in the US to be successful. Just look at a film like Mamma Mia, which has worldwide appeal. It made $140m in the US (which is pretty good), but has grossed a ridiculous $572m worldwide (inc. US).

then the studio shouldn't have anything to worry about. His last movie, after all, was the third highest grossing film of 2008. Besides, as people have mentioned, worldwide gross is becoming more and more popular. If they merely make back their money in the States then the film is going to make a hefty profit overseas. <p>
I read somewhere that because of the deal Spielberg and Lucas struck Indy 4 had to make over $400 million worldwide. There were some naysayers who said it couldn't even make that much, but then it topped out at $786 million so what the fuck do they know. Spielberg is usually as safe a bet as you can have in the movie business.

I'll see this. and thus i feel like speilberg has just invited me into his dark lair by waving a bag of jelly beans in front of me. <p> Honestly, I love ol speilbergo but trey parker and matt stone have destroyed anything i ever held for the man. "They... they raped indy"

"All the people masturbating over Avatar should at least wait till they see a trailer. Christ, it's like masturbating over a woman you've never met or seen just because you like her name."<p>
Not quite, although I agree with your sentiments in regards to waiting for a trailer, Zeddemore.<p>
I would say it's more like growing up next to an unnaturally good looking cadre of sisters, à la The Virgin Suicides. <p>
To take the sister-part and not the suicide-part. <p>
Perhaps in retrospect, you have added an undue amount of nostalgia and romance to your young infatuations, but still, when you sit back in your childhood tree house, wiping away the stolen cookie crumbs from your mush with the your crumpled, Tabasco-stained divorce papers, wearing your novelty superhero-of-choice undergarments and softly weep into your lap over those high school yearbook pictures, you, with all objectivity, have to admit those sisters WERE really good looking. Except perhaps Anica, who was kind of bloated and prone to making somewhat racist jokes, but still, kinda pretty in the right light. And their Dad always seemed like a really awesome guy, too. You hear he married some kooky Asian lady and sprigged out a new batch, who, when you think about it, are all probably really cute, too, right? It’s early in the morning and they probably have school tomorrow, but maybe it would be a good idea to go and introduce yourself, just to say hey. It’s only a hop, skip and 14ft fence away. When you were noticing them all in their backyard from the hot air balloon earlier, they all seemed like they would probably be glad to see you anyway. <p>
Uh, and so on, and so on…<p>
To be on topic: Tintin will be *opinion to be ZOMG-capped in later*, marks my werd!!1

War of the Worlds was a great movie with a crappy ending, but overall the direction was great. Munich was an amazing movie. Indy IV also had a bad ending, but it is hard to argue with the directing. Spielberg kept the original ending of War of the Worlds. He didn't write it. He didn't write Indy IV either. Idiots blame the director over story concepts the director didn't come up with, and overlook what a good director he is. Spielberg remains one of the best directors alive.

Uhmmm, the worst part of the ending wasn't the common cold killing the aliens (which is from the book), but Cruise's son showing up at Grandma and Grandpas' house when he had a nuke dropped on him earlier in the film. That was the epitome of forced happy ending. But regardless of this and Munich and Indy IV, they are all well directed, but the big problems lie in the scripts.

Murderer? Let me tell you about murder. It's fun, it's easy, and you gonna learn all about it. [pulls out two blades] I'd like you to meet two buddies of mine. We never miss. This guy needed his own spinoff for a long time. This movie is going to ROCK!

sadly for some of us its about masturbating to a woman who we have heard and read about for over ten years, and for those of us who have the scriptment, we sorta, kinda, maybe seen with her clothes on if you will. I remain hopefully optimistic.

Economics is a very small part of this equation. The Biggest problems are these....Outside of Europe Tintin is not well known, SS and Jackson made some real half ass'ed material as of late (Indy IV, King Kong), and finally the general public does not like motion capture...it just sucks. If it were not for SS and PJs "Star" power this would never get made at all. I predict a take of less than 250M worldwide...which when you factor in the points and Marketing will probably barely covers costs..if that.

What a shit story that was. Come on...you really enjoyed the stupid back-story of the house with the fat lady and Steve Buscemi? Up until that point it was okay. But that back-story was fucking retarded.

From the directors who brought you "Schindler's List", "Close Encounters of the Third Kind", "Jaws", "Lord of the Rings", "Heavenly Creatures", and "King Kong", we bring you "TINTIN!" WHAT THE FUCK!!!! Lol!
P.S: "TINTIN" will be fucking your eyeballs in 2010. ;)

Not sure I'd put "King Kong" up there...it wasn't exactly a great film. Past glories aside...this film will be fucking nothing but air in 2010. As I said...these directors have gotten kinda lazy, SS I believe is almost comatose at this point, very few outside the E.U. have any love, or even knowledge of this story, and EVERYONE hates motion capture stuff. I stand by my analysis...Less than $250M worldwide first run.

Why hasn't anyone outside of the US ever try to make it? It's supposed to be this huge thing everywhere else and yet no other film directors in the world have ever tried to film it? Come one, something isn't right here. FUCK TINTIN!!! FUCK YOU!!!

Why hasn't anyone outside of the US ever try to make it? It's supposed to be this huge thing everywhere else and yet no other film directors in the world have ever tried to film it? Come one, something isn't right here. FUCK TINTIN!!! FUCK YOU!!!

is because Herge wouldn't sell the rights. After he died, Spielberg bought get them. He's had them since and it's been in his 'to do' pile for 25 years.<p>So, "Pissed off and bitter", know what you're talking about before you comment next time. And FUCK YOU!!!

Discovered TinTin as a child when my public libary branch got several copies of them in and put them on display with other comic books. Enjoyed them greatly. Tho the Dark Side of the Moon was one of my favorites. Secret of the Unicorn was awesome, and will make an awesome film.<p>

I can understand if people want to go back and read the old comics, but do we really need a movie? And has this stuff been popular at all in the last 40 years. At this point a Mutt and Jeff or Lil' Abner movie would be more relevant.

Tin Tin predates WW2 by 9/10 years..my mistake . Very conservative bloke. I saw a documentary about Herge. and he refused to talk untill about what he did during the war. Which lead many people to thing that he played some part in belgium resistance. and yet he managed to Keep publishing tin tin. right under the noses of the nazis. too.

WTF, if they came out with a totally new story with original characters it would be known NOWHERE, with this logic that movie wouldn't sell anywhere? Talkbackers always complain about remakes, so you US-talkbacker should be happy, this is like an original story for you guys cause "tintin is unknown in the us". You're gonna get to enjoy the adventures of Tintin for the first time, lucky bastards!

WTF, if they came out with a totally new story with original characters it would be known NOWHERE, with this logic that movie wouldn't sell anywhere? Talkbackers always complain about remakes, so you US-talkbacker should be happy, this is like an original story for you guys cause "tintin is unknown in the us". You're gonna get to enjoy the adventures of Tintin for the first time, lucky bastards!

As someone who grew up in the largely french-speaking province of Quebec, I first discovered Herge's TINTIN in a public library. Of course, I couldn't read at the time (I was very young), but I do remember the characters discovering a hidden city behind a waterfall and from that point I was completely hooked (incidentally, that book turned out to be "Prisoners Of The Sun"). Do not underestimate the cultural impact Tintin has had around the world. Like Mickey Mouse or Charlie Chaplin, he is an instantly recognizable figure outside of the U.S.. There have been a few animated and live-action movies made in the past, but in this day of remakes, this is one property that would definitely benefit from today's state-of-the-art filmmaking and special effects.

There were three live action Tintin movies that I am aware of, and they were TINTIN AND THE GOLDEN FLEECE, TINTIN AND THE BLUE ORANGES and TINTIN AND THE LAKE OF SHARKS. None of the films were based on any of the books in the series, but I know that the last two were eventually adapted and released in (comic) book form as well.

nobody in the U.S. knows or gives a rat's ass about Tintin are perfect examples of what a good friend of mine calls a provencial snob. Ignorant and unread but arrogant. Nothing exists outside the realm of immediate local influence for you types. You revel in your ignorance instead of trying to hide it and improve your depth of knowledge. How about opening your eyes and mind to some things outside of America. Enough of you seem to be able to embrace Japanese pop culture. Why is so hard to appreciate the contributions of the rest of the world? And it's not like there's no presence of Tintin here in the states anyway. I was aware of Tintin for many years before I ever picked up one of the books. I constantly saw them on library and bookstore shelves so don't give me any horseshit about it being popular everywhere but here. Used to be nerds, geeks or whatever name we've taken back and embraced for ourselves were interested in ANYTHING out of the ordinary. If you liked a certain comic book and it's artist, you took the time the investigate what his influences were. Most of you love The Venture Bros. Where do you think that came from? Jonny Quest. and what influenced Jonny Quest class? Tintin. How about this: pretend that you have open minds and that Tintin is an entirely new creation and enjoy it for what it is at it's core. Adventure stories that take place all over the globe ala Young Indian Jones. Finally, unless you're fucking clairvoyant, you sound like a complete jackass when you say that any movies is going to fail at the box office. Predicting is perfectly fine. Stating so is foolish. You can never tell what is ultimately going to be a hit or a miss until the box office receipts start to role in.

around the same time I discovered fucking Elfquest. Tintin was pretty entertaining, and I'm glad they're making an American film out of this. I remember liking Asterix when I was a kid and they made a retarded French movie out of it.

about tin tin. Was tin tin ever published in the US?. if not, this was possibly due to the fact that as tin tin is a european creation. and american publishers were only intrested in selling books to young american kids. and these publishers, most american kids dont know where europe is. but if you look at these books, they full of outdated steryotypes, haddock is a drunken scot, the thompson twins are tea drinking bowler hat wearing brits and I could go on. Most americans hate the french. and american publishers would have been very nervous about selling anything which could have been precieved to be french related in the us. Most americans havent got a clue where belgium is. I expect that spielberg will try to update Tin Tin for a modern audience. Good luck, peter and steven. fools the pair of them.

The books have constantly been in print here for decades. Larger bookstores always have at least a few of them in stock. They should keep the period settings but eliminate some of the more archaic attitude. The world was a much bigger place then, people were less traveled and thats what gives the stories such an exotic flavor. They definitely have their work cut out for them thanks in no small part to drooling mouth breathers like Mr. Spork.

400 million people. so not everyone will read Herges adventures of Tin tin let alone no about them. I would encourage everyone to read. tin tin. They will have to modernise things a little bit. Christohper Lloyd is professor calculus. apart from pegg and frost. will this be an all american movie. With maybe an all american story.

not that it's European. I can't think of one good movie made in recent decades based on a comic strip. Rocketer was decent for the Connelly factor, and Dick Tracy had good art direction, but The Phantom and The Shadow were both garbage.