Person1: STOP WITH THE BACON
Person2: Lady BABACon
Person3: drink!
Person4: OreBacongon
Person5: Burn The Man Now!
Person1: PLEASE PEOPLE
Person3: drink!
Person6: save the man!
Person7: When does the man burn?
Person4: If you dont like it your in the wrong place LEAVE!!!

Hopefully burningman will become more and more kid friendly. Get rid of all that inappropriate nudity and such, because thats sexually explicit exposure to children is not only illegal, but the entire environment is still way too dangerous for children. The increasing number of citations issued to serving drinks to minors, thats just wrong. Serving drinks to people who are not in your camp is irresponsible, and the practice needs to stop. Just look at the huge number of citations issued where law enforcement uses undercover people, and that number keeps increasing, so it's an obvious problem.

Burningman needs to be safe for general public use, so next is to enforce Handicapped access.

Spectabillis, we've had our share of disagreements over the years but I am 100% behind everything you just posted. And enforcing the handicapped access could be just what the event needs to push it forward...updated designs for theme camps, art cars, etc. It's time for the event to think about how to make accessibility as important as security.

Maryanimal...this is the perfect time to start planning for next year!

Talk about too little too late, i mean really, at what point do people listen?

There were many of us who told everyone what's going to happen for years. Everyone argued and debated it here and elsewhere while it escalated... and NOW it's news!? I guess the new bman ethos follows that of the org, with about as much effectiveness and understanding - which isn't much, if any.

So now it's time to enter another endless circle of arguments and discussions where it's all resigned to finding rationalizations, that like everything else, leads to those things that make it digestible for you to put up with rather than actually being able to do something about it. And that's easy, because it's too difficult a problem to fix especially when compared to adjusting people's behavior so that they can still attend without the problem. Then those who voiced dissent that it was due to your bad behavior get prominence, and they become The New Voice of Reason leading to more compromises and loss of what has significant value. And that trend of The New Voice of Reason continues to be adopted and grow until there really isn't anything much of unique value left. Or not at least what people can't find elsewhere... so that unique identity of bman? Yep, it continues to fade into the public background.

And there you go thinking people can still create something special like bman even long after the originators left. You continue to build upon those creations because you can't do it from scratch, and it still does last a quite a while, so be grateful for it while it lasts and try to hold fast to that which is sacred.

Don't worry, people always forget the why's and history, they have short attention spans.

28,000 people have died in drug war related violence in Mexico over the past few years. Marijuana sales and smuggling account for about 60% of drug cartel traffic. When you smoke Mexican weed you are inhaling death and misery. You are contributing towards it. I'm not against growing your own or buying it from a trusted grower in the states. It's karma my friends. Let's not be blind about the misery and death associated with drugs.

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believe is false."- William Casey, CIA Director 1981

Every topic Spectabillis touched on will be brought up during the new permit discussion. You can guarantee that it will...heck even the Vegas casinos can't offer better odds than you'll get with this bet.

In short if you have an issue that you want relevant change on in regards to the event your time for action is coming up quickly. Be prepared...I assure you many others are quite far along in preparing.

Kinetic V ~~~~~~I bring order to chaos. And I bring chaos to those who deserve it, wherever that may be.

As I read the post re: BM, tell me if I have it corrrect. The permit to hold BM has expired and now negotiations will begin for a new permit with what is acceptable and what isn't? I hate to sound like an ignorant piuss but I'm a total virgin to the BM experience. So be gentle with me.

Sometimes I'm confused by what I think is really obvious. But what I think is really obvious obviously isn't obvious.

I read the article you posted Kenetic V and I wasn't surprized what the BLM had to say. The authorities have there definition of what people should be doing, and personally I believe rules should be obeyed, however there will always be a handful of provocateurs who will cause issues on the playa. They need to be dealt with, not the peace-loving people!

Sometimes I'm confused by what I think is really obvious. But what I think is really obvious obviously isn't obvious.

I don't know, maryanimal. I get very tired, very quickly with reminiscing about bm's good old days when there were no laws; it always seems like little boys making fart jokes outside mommy's presence. But I do see the whole slippery slope argument as more and more rules hedge the event in. I think we are okay with what we have now, rule wise. I just wish that there weren't a rule against stuffing the mouths of idiots complaining about the rules with old socks.
Of course, if I could do that, I'd have the problem of getting old socks.

The Lady with a Lamprey

"The powerful are exploiting people, art and ideas, and this leads to us plebes debating how to best ration ice.Man, no wonder they always win....." Lonesomebri

theCryptofishist wrote:..I get very tired, very quickly with reminiscing about bm's good old days..

no one in this topic was doing that so far fishy, so thats your issue. historical context was being used to make a rather undeniable observation, and thats naturally going to have an implied valuation. so it's rather weak saying thats what this is about, but it's a hell of a lot stronger than trying to blame it on "a few bad apples."

endless circles of arguments and discussions: adding to the problem when it drags in the limited viewpoints and issues that don't really have that much an effect. like saying the problem can be simply reduced to ...

"..I've never heard that complaint about too many officers at it other than from those people who are anti-law enforcement and anti-authoritarian. Anarchy is not an option."

Camp Envy's coverage of the temple burn was great. Again it sucks that we couldn't go this year...but I'm damn glad that webcam was there. It's already inspired us to start planning for 2011.

Ok, curiosity is killing me. This year's temple burn sure reminded me of the Uchronia burn....I wonder how many board feet of lumber was in this year's temple? Someone called it a Lumber Canyon...so it has to be a massive amount. All I know is the burn was spectacular. If anyone knows and can post it...many of us would like to know.

Kinetic V ~~~~~~I bring order to chaos. And I bring chaos to those who deserve it, wherever that may be.

They thought I was hoaxing them when I mentioned the yearly flooding of the Playa, and couldn't accept that there really are warnings against driving out onto the Playa during the Winter. Picture your wheels encased in Playa mud. Who's going to give you a tow?

I was just making up the part about the camera crew submerging into the flood waters to wait until the next year's filming, though. Unless the camera was manned by brine shrimp, the waters might be a little shallow for that, even in Winter.

not too many left who remember the rain/mud, dont remember what year it was, but it's probably happened more than once. all you can really tell people is forget about any vehicle use and to put plastic bags on their feet, you cant really prepare for something like that to accommodate all the traffic.

but yeah, you dont get that even though the playa quickly develops a hard crust over it because of the heat and low humidity, there's often a foot or two of mud still underneath, especially in areas around the edges of the playa. driving along and everything is ok, sometimes people stop and... find their wheels just broke through and sunk about half way up.

i think theres still a a pic somewhere in the archives of a fully loaded and heavy water truck that broke through up to its axles. freaky to see, because its like something underground reached up out of nowhere and pulled it down. there were about a dozen or so of us who were kinda just staring at it in amazement, gotta be irritating to have bunch of tripped out burners just looking at you with blind stares when they ask for help.

Hey KV! I so agree with you about Camp Envy and how great it was to see the live feed! I felt like I was there even though I've never been to a BM before. It was a reflective experience for me. I just got through talking with TomServo and I think I'm coming to realize that I'm a bit uptight. I don't understand the feeling of the playa and the people. I don't allow the media to influence my opinion, but I guess I need to experience it for myself.

Sometimes I'm confused by what I think is really obvious. But what I think is really obvious obviously isn't obvious.