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Trump is several moves ahead of us. We are too timid and unfamiliar with the higher levels of play. Take the Flynn episode. Trump’s friends bemoan his weakness. His foes smell blood in the water. Trump and Flynn would never have gotten to where they are if they were that stupid.

No. Almost all of us fell right into the trap set by Trump and Flynn. Now they know who their real friends are and they have cornered the rats who hate them.

This is the classic Roman case of a soldier falling on his sword to protect his commander. Flynn sacrificed himself in the classic way. Trump has already instructed the Department of Justice to apprehend the leakers–who gave him the justification for their arrest. His enemies have exposed their king and jeopardized their queen. Fools.

Flynn can now serve Trump in more vital ways as a consultant behind the scenes.

Allow me to draw out a further parallel. This is all about business and Trump is the master builder in business. As Trump plays on the higher levels of business from a lifetime of experience, the Love Army plays above Trump in the business of love even in Trump’s frequent invoking of love.

The business of this site is supposed to be about stopping war. Unfortunately, all the analysis mostly serves as a distraction from addressing the causes of war, and leads to paralysis within the paradigm of war.

When I propose a real solution, as in the Count Khazar episodes, some get sent to the Saker where they disappear and others are posted. It may be only one mod who disapproves. I’ve been puzzled by this lack of honesty and freedom until it hit me what the Khazar episodes are saying. They are showing a contemporary example of “communal sex.” Apparently that is too much for a mod who takes it upon him/herself to “protect” the Saker from heresy.

If this disappears or is sent to the Saker where it will disappear it will confirm my suspicions. Is it possible that the vineyard is exempt from the fifth column phenomenon? I doubt it.

I love you all. I know that irritates some, whether Trump says it on his own or is prompted by the Love Army or if I say it. Like I said, love plays at a high level and provokes its enemies to reveal themselves so they can be helped.

Your fantasy, in times past, could only have resulted in gross overpopulation from near continual pregnancy from menarche to menopause and virtual 100% venereal disease (every variety in the population) stands condemned self-evidently.

Even today. Look at these factors in contemporary nations of Europe & N. America.

Moral rot begets cultural and physical rot. It is most unappealing in all its facets.

Is there some sort of code at work with the 11 letters divided into two words (8 + 3) in quotation marks? The quotation marks seem to indicate some sort of metaphor or otherwise occulted meaning that cannot simply be spelled out in plain English, either because that isn’t possible without ruining the delight of discovery of deeper truth or for some other reason I can’t yet fathom.

Disease transmission has been dismissed as a legitimate concern, and scoffed at as completely missing the point being driven at with bravery and determination.

I say “bravery” because after reading 6 paragraphs that have subtlety and intelligence in them, I almost wince when I see the 11 letters in quotation marks, because I would NOT want to be tackled by an entire Vineyard rugby team…and I’m 10-11 years younger and probably much bigger than Dennis! And believe in prudent avoidance of physical injury (metaphorically speaking).

Considerable effort was put into the Count Khazar episodes. I thought the beginning was really promising, with a kind of magical interplay between the count and kinterra that showed real talent and inspiration by both parts. Then it got really lengthy, with me resorting to a quick scan to avoid the impact of a defensive back slamming into a nearly 80 year old man at full speed.

If it’s on your website Dennis, copy the link and post it here once a week or so. The quotation marks might make it difficult (my scannings of later episodes tell me that they are a refrain in almost every one of the Count Khazar episodes…..) but if they are all together in one link on your own website I or others could go there and by reading the entire “work” , and who knows? One or two or even more of us might “get” what you have been driving at with bravery and dogged determination!

And, if its a true concept, they might find another way to express it that gets the point across to many others who you have either annoyed or simply mystified, thus far.

Also, that would free up people to discuss things like your first 6 paragraphs above without having to deal with the so far incomprehensible way your posts with the 11 letters in quotation marks near the end do almost invariably end for most readers, I will venture to say: Without comprehension.

As to missing posts, I think that happens to every frequent commentor occasionally. When Dennis was “on a roll” with the Count episodes, there was a major problem with the site everyone experienced.

Suggestion: Make a habit of doing “control s” frequently with longer efforts, and after clicking on “post a comment” paste the work onto one large “word ” file so you can retrieve the effort and try once more if it does not appear in the Vineyard within 2-3 hours.

Sorry Prometeus, but IMHO the above is not “an answer”. It’s a poll response.

A “like” or “not like”.

Nothing cognitive, substantive, in it.

What would substance be?

One can take an excerpt, for example, and break it down, analytically in terms of some new insight into its truth or falsity. Then you have some possibility of positive traction forward, in terms of real reflection and cognition, shared by two or more persons.

Simply provoking a quick, superficial reacting either positively or negatively with zero insight provided as to the reasoning, personal experience, research done into literature or philosophy of any given people or national culture is not what I am EVER after. I’m never a pollster.

Now, we are very different in our reactions to some things, like the hypothesis that two beings, brothers, Enki and Enlil influenced the beginnings of civilization in a major way. So, in that instance, it would useful to compare notes and account for our different attitudes about that subject. If an object is viewed from several perspectives, and through different types of lenses, that thing being viewed might be viewed clearer or more completely. In that way we might actually help each other get closer to the truth. Or handle it more productively.

In another comment I said a disproportionate amount of the research into ancient Mesopotamia and Egypt has been done in german, which I noticed in reading Sitchin. I commented that Germans are “all about order” in my own experience of knowing a few. And that’s not bad! However, like sex, it’s not sufficient. And there is much, much more to German culture than merely that! And the best aspects have been targetted heavily, by Empire, for destruction.

In terms of your jousting with Mundo from Bavaria over Zeus’ “order” and (in his view) Prometheus’ “cheating” (violation of divine order) I kind of lean in your direction, in terms of freeing mankind from the gods of Olympus, which to me have represented oligarchical order not divine or truly “godly” order.

Now, you don’t need to expound in any length on anything, or even answer the one direct question I asked: “Is Prometeus german??”

However, “Yes.” or “No” to that question would definitely qualify (either one!) as a real answer, which requires far, far less work than answering whether Quigley has any actual insight into various national cultures or not!

Even though Tragedy and Hope is an old book (1960’s) and very long (nearly 1400 pages) there is a lot there worth digesting and debating, IMHO.

If I can politely interject, there is a filtered 101 version of the substance of Tragedy and Hope done by subjective eyes of Joe Plummer and free to use (for the ones, who consider 1400 pages as too big challenge in our info-overloaded times):

That you mod. We don’t want to read Dennis fantasy.
Message to Denis: there are other blogs where you can indulge your fetish.
I would surmise that people here are adults. And as adults, sexual expression is a part of their lives. But we visit Saker for adult discussion on important ego-political issues that are not – or rarely – found elsewhere.
Denis, the internet is full of sites for sexual diversion. Plenty of sites. You are free to indulge yourself there.
(Thank you again to the mods)……

I had till now never the honour, to directly exchange arguments with you here, although I definitely spotted your “work”.

I felt comfortable with your presence. In the way I like “pink elephants in the room”! I mean this seriously and as a compliment.

I don’t want to be an elephant and maybe I would never wear something pink, but nevertheless, it is somehow soothing to know, that “pink elephants” exist and I feel enriched in my presence, to have the chance to spent time with “pink elephants”, to watch them and maybe even to interact with them.

On the one hand, I accept your main mantra “Love Army” and everything you connect with this. This is what makes you unique here. On the other hand it sucks often enough, when I think, that you see every topic through these “Love Army Lens”. Do you know what I mean? Sometimes it feels a little bit obtrusive and monotonous.

But then again: would you be the “pink elephant”, if you weren’t this way?

So everything what I can say about you, even the aspects with which I have my issues, is not meant in a way: “you have to change”. No!

You are in a sense like a Koan. Do you know what I mean? I like Koans, like I like “pink elephants”.

Regarding your “communal sex theory”. Just my opinion:

You are wrong on this one! Completely.

I know nothing personal about you and sorry if you wrote it already somewhere. But I strongly suppose, that you are not married and if you were married, you got divorced. Right? Have you found your spouse so far? Your real soul mate? Do you have the experience of being with one woman for a lifetime? At least for decades? Having children with this woman? Getting old together? Witnessing the change in character and physicality of each other and still staying together? Experiencing your own children, when you realize how happy and proud they are, that “mom & dad” are so loving and so close together and that nothing and especially nobody can come between them? Had you ever the chance to witness, how children change, when mom & dad separate and a new man and a new woman intrudes in their “holy circle”?

If you think, that adults could cope with communal rock ’n’ roll, are you sure the children can?

I’m sure your motivation is good and I’m sure you are on a wrong track. But hey: life can be pink, if you like! You will find others, with whom you can maybe realize your idea. This life or the next one. Who cares about time… “Time doesn’t matter, just Life” (Fifth Element, Luc Besson). And when you made your experience, you will know for sure.

I could expand a lot about why I think that communal sex is not what is our “natural state” through the lens of Tantra & Alchemy, if you are interested.

You will be a long time answering comments under your tarpaulin today Dennis, but that is good, preventing the mind from wandering, and for staying focused. . . have you ever thought about joining a nudist colony or club? They are quite innocuous you know, people happy to do nothing more than just hang around without wearing any clothes. That might appease an apparent need you evince for skin skin skin…
” I’m biased but I can see the Love Army and Bower at work in current events.” from yesterday. Could you expand on that maybe, I think it may help the more cognitive less lusty approach to life’s conundrums of Saker’s readers. Do you see a collective psychic sexual energy behind the communal sex idea? Like a kind of ritual or something?
The drama series was good I thought, sometimes …but what’s the point if nobody gets the point and what is the point?

“This is the classic Roman case of a soldier falling on his sword to protect his commander.”

To protect Trump from what? Has his resigning stopped the deep-state attacks on Trump,no. Has it stopped the MSM reporting that Trump is a “Putin agent” (certainly by implication,even if not using the actual words.),no.It did nothing to protect Trump. But everything to make Trump look weak. And not willing to stand-up to his enemies.I’m afraid our making excuses for him in that case. Comes under the saying,”you can put lipstick on a pig. But its still a pig”.

Your complaint that Dennis with/because of his 80 years was unable to say what he wanted to say is wrong.

According to Dennis the synchronized moves of Trump and Flynn set a trap which was to allow them and did allow them to „know who their real friends are“ and to „corner the rats who hate them“ (just like Dennis did, using the c-word again, just to know who belongs to the omertà squad that is to silence him). Dennis did not say that Trump and Flynn used that trick to „stop the deep-state attacks on Trump“ or to „do something to protect Trump“ (i.e. the same). Thus, pointing out that the deep state attacks on Trump (meant to go on until he is chased out of office, as we all know including you) did not stop the moment Flynn resigned from the one post to take over the other one does not prove Dennis to be an idiot.

This all reminds me of the old Chinese saying: „When the plumber stops the tap from leaking, don‘t complain that outside it‘s still raining.“

According to Dennis the synchronized moves of Trump and Flynn set a trap which was to allow them and did allow them to „know who their real friends are“ and to „corner the rats who hate them“ (just like Dennis did, using the c-word again, just to know who belongs to the omertà squad that is to silence him).

???!!

That’s quite an analogy y’got there Anon!

Mayhaps you invest the redoubtable Mr. Leary’s ‘vision’ with a tad too much ‘relevance’?

You may not have noticed, but this is not Mr. leary’s ‘Lovegovernment’ site / it is the Vineyard of the Saker.

And if ‘omertà’ was operated by the trigger ‘communal sex,’ how do you account for successful posting by Mr. Leary above?

You can discover all Mr. leary’s ‘philosophical’ writibgs at his site, which, by his own admission, are ‘voluminous.’

However, even that I do know by heart the more than 50.000 pictures I actually have saved (out of I don’t really want to know), often the problem is on what hard drive did I save it, and in what folder??

When I “stumble over” this particular one, I have in mind. I’ll post it here. A real “Norwegian forest cat,”. in the sun, contemplating whatever.

Thank you

Take Care
Kent

P.S.

In the meantime. this little fellow is a newcomer in our environment. Planned session, two hours waiting, 120 photos, whereof these were ok.

In her weekly briefing, Russia’s Foreign Affairs spokesperson Maria Zakharova, has stated that Russia simply does not have the amount of hackers that would be required to accommodate the media lies on the subject.

The “Kremlin hackers” campaign has been propagated throughout Western media outlets, ever since the unexpected win of Donald Trump in the US presidential race.

“In the current situation, under the new US administration, the THAAD missile defense system deployment is a strategic plan for the West, hence, it is important for them to influence Chinese-North Korea relations.

Konstantin Asmolov noted an interesting fact saying that the South Korean cable channel painted the image of the murder even before the Malaysian police confirmed the death of Kim Jong-nam.

“After all, when he felt ill it was not yet known who exactly he was. At first, South Korean media referred to the Malaysian police, but there was no confirmation from them. After that the media referred to anonymous but well-informed sources in the government,” Asmolov said.”

So the south koreans knew the man’s identity before the Malaysian cops did. Sounds like somebody wasn’t paying enough attention to the “little details”. My guess it was mossad or cia who killed him.

Despite an attempt on his life in 2012, the North Korean president’s older half-brother was an obsessive user of social media, particularly Facebook, where under a thinly veiled pseudonym he posted endless selfies posed in front of the casinos of Macau, Shanghai, and Singapore.

“Danish citizens fighting alongside Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) terrorists in Syria have allegedly been receiving sickness and disability benefits from their government, according to a report.

Danes who were ruled too sick or disabled to work, and were therefore granted an early pension, later traveled to Syria to take part in the war, the Berlingske newspaper reported on Monday, citing Danish Security and Intelligence Service (PET).”

How a Real War on Terrorism Would Look and Why the US Isn’t Fighting One

The fanatics, weapons, supplies, vehicles and finances that grease the wheels of global terror do not merely spring forth from the pages of the Qu’ran, as bigots across the West insist.

Just like any national army, the army raised and wielded in the name of terrorism has several basic components. Examining these components reveals a very uncomfortable but somewhat poorly hidden truth.

In reality, fanatics must be indoctrinated. And they are, in Saudi-funded madras and mosque networks wrapping around the globe. In the United States and across Europe, these madrases and mosques often serve as both indoctrination centers and recruiting stations. They operate as such with the explicit knowledge, even cooperation of US and European security and intelligence agencies.

One such center can be found in Denmark at Grimhøjvej Mosque in Aarhus which openly serves as a recruiting station for militants meant to fight abroad in US-European backed wars in Libya, Syria, Iraq and Yemen. The government of Denmark openly collaborates with the mosque to integrate these individuals back into Danish society when they return.

The mosque in Aarhus is hardly an isolated example. Such mosques backed and protected by US-European-Saudi money and political influence dot the globe, feeding recruits into a global mercenary army carrying out proxy war and staging terrorist attacks whenever and wherever politically convenient.”

Thank you for this very good summary of what I can confirm. Everything.

By the way: I love “Little Black Ducks”, like I love Cat, like I like “pink elephants”.

I had the feeling from how you wrote (not what!), that I know you and that I had already exchanges with you. At least I have read something from you under another identity. But your “energy” feels familiar to me.

Because of this special topic, I understand if someone doesn’t want to “burn” his “main identity”.

If I take your well written summary as a stepping stone: I want to know more! I want to understand more! I will try to explain.

I asked myself the following:

How can a whole tribe be collectively so evil? Is it only the “book”? The Tora? The Talmud? Their education to “exceptionalism”? The fantasy of being the “chosen people”?

Is there a genetic component in this? Why are you only Jewish, when at least your mother is Jewish? Is it something with the X-Chromosome? Is it the mitochondric DNA, which is inherited from the mother only?

I don’t know what kind of world view you have. I hope not Disneyland. Joke. In my view our history isn’t understandable without the “antediluvian epoch”. By this I mean Atlantis, homo capensis, Nephilim, Anunnaki, Gods and Halfgods. Could it be, that the Jewish tribe is a special toy of an alien race? Or an older human race? [If you look into the “root races” in Theosophy, Anthroposophy and Rosicrucianism].

I suppose this tribe has a kind of “Cheat”. Like the cheats in PC games. A kind of “universal key” for the material matrix here. Maybe a technology. Maybe some knowledge. About reality. About higher realms. About the human nature and psychology.

Are they a kind of “administrators” or “agents” of the Matrix?

What if they are really chosen? But by whom? For what purpose?

If we ask ourselves, what is our – Goyim – role in this circus? We know, that Jews are bestsellers in Pornography, Drugs, Prostitution etc… But who is it who buys their crap? Who is it who watches their movies? Who is it who eats their fast-food?

If you want to engage in a mortal sin, go to a Jew. He will sell it to you. For him it’s business. For you it’s a painful experience, from which you will grow, after your pain transformed in strength. This doesn’t happen in a lifetime, but in greater epochs…

When we ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil: who is the “dealer of evil”?

So are the Jews – although it may sound ridiculous – our metaphysical teachers? Not that they don’t earn karma on their way. No. They will have to answer for everything what they did, as we. They will get their payback and we ours.

So this is the direction of my further inquiry and analysis of this topic.

Let me introduce some irony. Judaism is not that old compared to what you have looked into and I am reading avidly in Sitchin’s Earth Chronicles. I have a feeling a lot of the dysfunction in the human “family” comes from bad parents that told all of their numerous “children” they were the chosen “favorites”. To use them more effectively. And divide them!

Very bad parenting! “Wrong!”, as Trump says. But think how many psychiatrists it has given employment to. Such a deal! But I digress. Back on the Yellow Brick Road:

What I am intrigued by is the concept of the Lost Tribes of Israel as it relates to Sitchin’s etymology of Toledo, Spain coming from the Hebrew word “Toledoth” and Iberia (Spain and Portugal) coming from Ibri….or Hebrew. This possibility drove asturicus to distraction and rejection with this comment: http://thesaker.is/moveable-feast-cafe-2017-02-13/#comment-323067

How many “tribes of Israel” were there, really? How many are still lost? What if, in finding one or more of the lost ones, we find ourselves??? How many here would have a heart attack? Or want to have one, just to get it all over with??

Me? I’m afraid I would die laughing!

Sitchin: The Lost Realm of Cain, Chapter 2 of Volume 4 of Earth Chronicles:

“The notion of the Ten Lost tribes, at its height sponsored by Europe’s royal courts, came to be ridiculed by later scholars. Current theories hold that Man initially arrived in the New World World from Asia Across an icy land bridge to Alaska some 20,000-30,000 years ago, spreading gradually southward. Considerable evidence consisting of artifacts, language and ethnological and anthropological evaluations indicates influences from across the Pacific—-Hindu, Southeast Asian, Chinese, Japanese, Polynesian. Scholars explain them by periodic arrival of such people in the Americas; but they are emphatic in stating that these occurred during the Christian era, just centuries before the conquest and not at any time B.C…….

……………..they employ the concession to relatively recent transpacific contacts as the explanation for the currency of Genesis -like tales in the Americas. Indeed, legends of a global deluge and of the creation of man out of clay or similar materials have been themes of mythologies all over the world, and one possible route to the Americas from the Near East (where the tales had originated) could have been Southeast Asia and the Pacific Islands.

But there are elements in the Nahautl versions that point to a very early source, rather than to relatively recent pre-Conquest centuries. One is the fact that the Nahuatl tales of the creation of Man follow a very ancient Meso-potamian version that did not even find its way into the Book of Genesis!”

Then Sitchin goes through the earliest Sumerian version of three, two of which are in the bible and the earliest, which is not, involving Enki and Ninti. and continues:

“It is truly amazing to find all these elements in the Nahuatl tales—a god of knowledge known as the Plumed Serpent, a goddess of magical powers called Serpent Woman; a bathtub of loam in which earthly elements are mixed witha god’s essence (blood); and the fashioning of Man, male and female, out of the mixture. Even more astounding is the fact that the myth has been pictorially depicted in a Nahautl codex found in the area of the Mixtec tribe. It shows a god and a goddess mixing an element that flows into a huge flask or vat with the blood of a god that drips into the flask; out of the mixture, a man emerges (Fig. 9b). ”

A little more from Sitchin: “El Dorado” became a mythical place imagined to be real. But it literally means “The golden one.” And Sitchin asserts that the Spanish reported that native rulers in the Americas were smeared with oil and gold dust! Literally, the Golden One!

But, wtf, let’s go for maximum distraction and denial with some more etymology (of sorts):

“Are we, then, encountering in the traditions of the seven Nahuatl tribes echoes—-olden memories—- of the banished line of Cain and his son Enoch?

The Aztecs called their capital Tenochtitlan, the City of Tenoch, so naming it after their ancestor. Considering that in their dialect the Aztecs had prefixed many words with the sound T, Tenoch could have originally been ENOCH if the prefixed T is dropped.

Have we found in Mesoamerica the lost realm of Cain, the City named after Enoch? The possibility certainly offers plausible answers to the enigma of Man’s beginnings in these domains.

It may also shed light on two other enigmas—-that of the “Mark of Cain” and the hereditary trait common to all the Amerindians: the absence of facial hair.

….It has been generally assumed that it (The Mark of Cain, Sitchin means) was some kind of tattoo on Cain’s forehead. But from the ensuing biblical narrative it appears that the matter of vengeance and the protection against it continued into the seventh generation and beyond……..Only a genetic trait, transmitted hereditarily, can fit the biblical data.”

to be continued…..after a few hundred more pages.

But more up to date material on gold in terms of current war against evil, sooner than that, I hope.

This is an interesting conversation. I clicked on the link from Prometeus to LBDuck and see I missed a whole exciting chapter of the cafe. Hope you don’t mind me jumping in the deep end- !SPLASH!

The willingness to acknowledge the machinations of evil is essential to understanding current events occurring on the world stage. The Manicheans, a religious sect founded by the great spiritual teacher Mani in the second century after Christ, understood evil in a very interesting way. Steiner agrees with Mani that God allowed evil. In fact evil is integral to the spiritual development of humanity. Human souls could not become truly free without the possibility of encountering the opposite of the good. We would have been blissful dwellers in Paradise, but would have had no way to gain independence and personal volition, as we would have acted only in accordance with our divine nature. Steiner explains that certain high levels of spiritual beings were counter mandated to play an adversarial role in human spiritual evolution. Our resultant path of evolution is that humanity must bear one confrontation after another with evil until we awaken to the true spiritual goal of the Earth as a Divine Creation. As history’s great prophets and teachers have advised us, our freedom and our return as the prodigal son (or daughter) is won by encountering suffering, toil and death. These three ‘curses’ are eally the great awakeners.

In terms of a whole race going awry, it does have to do with the blood. The gene theory and the whole study of genetics is a rather primitive explanation of the process of how human souls develop material bodies. Yes, the blood bears genetic patterning and sequencing, but the genes are responding to finer impulses not detected by instruments that only measure physical properties. There is divine creative intelligence at work behind the physical response of genetic patterns. In fact the whole gene theory is one of the ways we are manipulated to believe we are the product of purely biological, chemical reactions instead of divine creative beings. This is the agenda of evil in a nutshell: to cause the human soul to fall further and further away from its spiritual evolution in the divine creative cosmos. Fall in the story of Adam and Eve aptly describes the descent from a spiritual condition into a
denser physical condition.

Throughout the ages dark occult brotherhoods, comprised not just of physical persons but also of sub earthly entities (demons) are at work behind the scenes. They are referred to by St Paul as principalities and powers. Dante describes them also in the nine regions of hell. They have an agenda of their own for the earth and humanity, which is to seal off the earth and the human soul from the divine cosmos, which is the creative source of our existence. These Ahrimanic forces as Steiner calls them work mainly through the human intellect. Were it not for Christ humanity would have long ago become completely subservient to these negating powers. Christ, a divine solar being, had to enter into earthly existence (through the body of Jesus) to overcome these degenerate forces. Through Christ’s immense sacrifice new divine creative forces were bestowed upon humanity and for the whole earth when His sacred spiritualized blood flowed into the earth. This immense force of light in His blood works as a leaven to provide an upward impetus towards a spiritual ascent. This ascent in consciousness can only be gained by human souls through spiritual toil-or effort. This is the crux of our human freedom- to freely choose to align ourselves with the forces of the good and to come to realization of our higher spiritual faculties through our self-willed efforts i.e. spiritual practice.

The agenda of the anti-forces, led by the figure of the anti-Christ, is to eradicate all Christianity, and all connection to Christ who is our savior in that he is the very being who encountered the opposing forces, brought new creative life to humanity, and can spiritually armor us from the adversaries. The adversaries according to Steiner and here is a direct quote: “strive to make the Mystery of Golgotha ineffective.” Enter Ray Kurzweil and the singularity movement who promises immortality through bio-tech cyber organs. Demonic ritual practices, aberrant sexual practices, torture, and worse create insatiable desire and immesh the human soul into the darkest regions of hell far, far from the noble lands of our genesis. It’s a long climb out.

The opposing forces work through the stolen consciousness of human beings. They are very successful with certain people of ‘genius’ who provide human society with deceitful false narratives about the nature of life and the human being. (I highly recommend the films of Alan Curtis- The Trap- to see example of precisely what I am talking about.) Just as individual human souls can be possessed by so called ‘genius’ narratives, so will whole groups become vessels for these satanic powers. Steiner explains these groups are the gogs and magogs. These groups says Steiner;” will be exposed to seduction by satanic powers. The outcome of this (battle) will be decided by whether those who have meanwhile taken spirituality in hand will have generated such a degree of intensity that human intellectuality can be led with the help of Archangel Michael to the originating powers that were there when human evolution began.” In other words we need to change our intellectual narrative and remember and reclaim who we are in the eyes of God if we are not to be swallowed whole by ruling elite who proclaim the deception of Godlessness in every sector of our society and culture.
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Thank-you for the correction Bro, (Adam Curtis), and for providing the link. I’m no fan of the BBC either and you don’t have to watch all the films, but they are very good educational tools to demonstrate how certain individuals are inspired and empowered to impose false narratives which influence political, economic, and social polices and programs to ever further alienate us from our true Divine human nature.
k

A Bomb Killed 4 Russian Soldiers in Syria. But We’re Not Being Told the Full Story. Why?

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We don’t think we’re getting the full story, though.
This incident took place (allegedly) on Thursday, February 16. That’s four days ago. Why did it take so long to report these casualties? And did any terrorist group claim responsibility? As far as we can tell: No.
And yet, ISIS was more than happy to claim responsibility for a bombing that happened on the same day in Baghdad:
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Our second point is a bit more nuanced. But we still think it’s an interesting coincidence: February 16 was the same day that Sergei Lavrov met with Rex Tillerson for the first time in Germany.
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Our third point is about the location of the attack: Tiyas airfield is west of Palmyra. Is it possible that Russian special forces, who are helping to lead the fresh offensive on the ancient city, are being specifically targeted? And if so, again, why did no one take responsibility for such a well-executed attack? And who benefits, aside from ISIS, if Russian special forces are killed while coordinating an attack on Palmyra?

The Bush and Clinton Dynastic Dictatorships began in January of 1989, and has continued till January of 2017, and it includes the Puppet Obama Administration.

There was President George Bush the first, and then there was the Bill Clinton Vice Presidency, and where Hillary Clinton was the Real Unofficial President, and then there was President George Bush the second, and then there was their Puppet Obama Administration.

The Reason that BaracKKK Obama was chosen over Hillary Kklinton in 2008, was because the Bush and Clinton Dynastic Dictatorships would look too Obvious to Americans.

This is why the Faction within the DemoKKKrats that wanted to try to obscure this Fact were able to have BaracKKK Obama become the Puppet President, while Hillary KKKlinton would continue to be the Secret President under her Guise of SeKKKretary of State.

This was also wanted so that the KKKlinton Foundation would take Foreign Bribes, and Hillary KKKlinton would be given the DemoKKKratic Party nomination in 2016.

The Bribed and Corrupt American Mainstream Media was Very Biased towards Senator Sanders, and even toward Candidate Donald Trump during the Primaries, and the Election.

The Constitution says that there should be a Free Press in America and Americans want a Free Press.

There are Many Americans who think that the so called Free Press in America is Overly Biased.

There are Americans who think that the term Free Press means that Journalists should be as Unbiased as practical, otherwise it is a Puppet Press, and they think that a Puppet Press is Illegal under the Constitution and Undemocratic.

There are People who think that Much of the American Mainstream Media have been Puppetized by the Shadow Government.

There have been several matters that occurred during the Bush and Clinton Dynastic Dictatorships which provides Solid Evidence of a Shadow Ku Klux Klan Government in America during that time, and the Puppet Mainstream Media have enabled them to pursue the Bush and Clinton Dynastic Dictatorships’ Real Ku Klux Klan Policies.

One example was where the Ku Klux Klan Shadow Government of America used the Racists in the former Yugoslavia to be Ku Klux Klan to break up Yugoslavia, and they blamed the Innocent and Non Racist Serbians for that, whereas it was the Racist Ku Klux Klan Croatians and the Racist Ku Klux Klan Albanians who were Supported by America to realize their own Ku Klux Klan type of Policies in the former Yugoslavia at http://www.globalresearch.ca/search?q=Yugoslavia&x=0&y=0 .

The American Shadow Ku Klux Klan Government used their Puppets to set up a Criminal Tribunal called the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia to try to Whitewash their Ku Klux Klan Crimes, and these things were Always Known to, and are cuurntly Known to the Congressional BlacKKK CauKKKus, and other DemoKKKrats and RepubliKKKans at http://www.globalresearch.ca/search?q=ICTY&x=9&y=12 .

That News Article Says: “How much do you know about Slobodan Milosevic, the recently deceased former president of Yugoslavia? Here’s 10 statements that we’ve all heard many times in the western media these last seven days. But which of them are true and which are false? 1) Milosevic was a dictator. 2) He was a Serb nationalist. 3) He was responsible for the break-up of Yugoslavia. 4) His 1989 speech at Kosovo Polje was a nationalist rant that inflamed ancient ethnic hatreds. 5) He started four wars. 6) He was responsible for the massacre at Srebrenica 7) He ordered a systematic programme of ethnic cleansing in Kosovo. 8) He was toppled by a “democratic revolution” in 2000. 9) The trial at The Hague had produced evidence of his guilt. 10) He will be mourned by “only a few”. How many do you think are true? Seven, eight- all of them? The answer is zero. Every single statement is untrue”, and there is the News Article Titled: The Demonization of Slobodan Milosevic at http://www.michaelparenti.org/Milosevic.html , and it says: There is no better example of the tireless demonization of the Democratically Elected President Slobodan Milosevic and the American supported wars against Yugoslavia.

A glimpse of the workings of the Corrupt Ku Klux Klan Sham Court in The Hague that is a Tribunal that is Criminal, and there is a 5 part Video series of short Videos and they are Titled: Shocking, Slobodan Milosevic was Innocent Documentary part 1/5 , Shocking, Slobodan Milosevic was Innocent Documentary part 2/5 , Shocking, Slobodan Milosevic was Innocent Documentary part 3/5 , Shocking, Slobodan Milosevic was Innocent Documentary part 4/5 , Shocking, Slobodan Milosevic was Innocent Documentary part 5/5 , and this shows us how the Ku Klux Klan Blame their Victims, and Whitewash the Crimes Against Humanity of their Fellow Ku Klux Klan in other Countries.

The Ukrainian Coup Government are Nazis who want Ethnic Purity in Ukraine, and they consider this to be a Ukraine for Ethnic Ukrainians Only, and where the other Races especially the Russians will be killed or expelled, Only for the Reason of Not being Ethnically Ukrainian, and these things are explained in a Video that is Titled: Are there Neo Nazis in Ukraine at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQqSa7XMzMc .

We saw how someone in the Media or the Shadow Government or elsewhere had a golden background for the recent News Conference of President Trump, and was that meant to be a subliminal Propaganda by the American Shadow Government to Americans, regarding their Obvious Lies of suggesting that President Trump is being blackmailed by a foreign Country.

We have seen how Much of the American Mainstream Media are behaving like they are KKKontrolled by the Shadow Government, rather than doing their jobs as Journalists, and these things began during the Bush and the Clinton Dictatorships of America.

A most intriguing comment today from Jim Stone. If anyone else said this I would laugh it off as the babbling of someone with mental health issues. But when Jim Stone says it, I listen carefully :

In response to my comments on the report “Washington Post receives cash from Russia to publish propaganda” Anonymous sent:

“Actually WaPO received millions from the CIA to run fake news, but Russia and China are convenient patsies to distract. Putin was for Hillary ? Really ? Stop taking the meds”

My response: How could Putin NOT be for Hillary when she sent Russia 20 percent of America’s uranium as secretary of state, and all the high tech secrets Russia could ever hope for? Stop being a dupe, Putin probably hates Trump but showing that is not part of the game.

TtC, Please do not spread erroneous information. This rather bizarre charge is not hard to find the truth about. It is easy to fall into such hyperbole when one is emotional about a topic, but it tends to support and even grow outright lies.

Hillary Clinton did NOT send 20% of USA’s uranium to Russians.

Here is clarification of that FAKE story. To my knowledge, she didn’t even have veto power over this “business deal.” They bought a controlling interest a mining company, because the Canadian-owned company also owns mines in Kazakhstan. And the “capacity” of mines and unmined land is an estimate made for business purposes, just like with oil producing land they refer to “reserves.” [It has been speculated by some experts, for instance, that “Saudi reserves” are intentionally over estimated (for political/geo-economy) purposes.]
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“As PolitiFact National has reported, Russia’s nuclear energy agency, which also builds nuclear weapons, bought a controlling stake in Uranium One. The company has mines, mills and tracts of land in Wyoming, Utah and other U.S. states equal to about 20 percent of U.S. uranium production capacity.

“So, to be clear, the 20 percent is capacity, not uranium that has been produced.

“Given that Russia doesn’t have the licenses to export uranium outside the United States, it was likely more interested in Uranium One’s assets in Kazakhstan, the world’s largest uranium producer, our colleagues said.”

But you stopped repeating their talking points too soon. Following them is —

“Trump is desperate to repudiate claims that he’s Putin’s stooge

“The general inaccuracy of Trump’s claim isn’t surprising; at this point, it would be more shocking if he strung together five minutes’ worth of sentences that weren’t packed with falsehoods and lies.”

Re the very sad tragic death of Vitaly Churkin, can I suggest we hold our fear, speculations and damaging suggestions.

I would add that Sudden Cardiac Arrest is not that uncommon, and in Mr. Churkins’ age range. I have known two cases in my personal life, of the person dying without notice of illness between sentences in a conversation. It’s a knife of Damocles that is held over all of us until Medical Research can work out the cause and a method of testing for susceptibility.

It’s easy to think the worst, but you need to look at these deaths in the context of the general population of men that age. Obvious murders and suicides are of course, excluded.

Our biggest enemy is not the Deep State, the US or any outsider. It lies within ourselves. We have to stop this fear, this negativity, this belief that there are monsters under the bed, hidden in Washington, and that we are helpless children who can do nothing. We even have people crying to “big Daddy Putin” to “do something to fix the monsters Daddy”.

We need to ask ourselves what we are doing, how we can contribute and stay positive and firm that we will win. Look for the good signs, and ignore the bad ones.

It may be there is something worrying about Mr. Churkins death, But it may well be that it is something not uncommon among modern man – and he was, very sadly, just another one.

Thnk you so much for the recommendation — not a bad ome at all. A virtual community is truly a “different animal” from a real community. Analogy-wise, you just stuck a much-needed graphite (control) rod into the reactor, I think.

We are, whether or not we like to admit it, brainwashed into assuming the worst. The training has been steady and increasing since 9/11/2001, at least. Knowing that day was intended as a springboard for our dive into darkness should be a big clue to “what not to do.” I, too, hope that commenters will moderate their speculations — I, myself, think that lots of unsupported jabber is rather insulting to the memory of the deceased.

I am deeply saddened by the loss of yet another one of the seemingly few “leaders” who graced us with his knowledge, intellect, and wisdom. I admired him and found myself depending on him to represent sanity, not just for Russian people but for all of us, with great strength. Mr. Churkin was a good man. May he rest in peace.

I would think that the Russian government might make a point of providing outstanding medical care to as many of its top people as it possibly could. If Mr Churkin received such top care regularly and there were no indications of any heart disease, nor family history of such problems, I would get very suspicious.

On the other hand, if it were known that the dangers to his heart health were present but countermeasures were less than effective, I would calm down considerably, without ruling out foul play, until more evidence was in. Because these things are getting far too frequent.

Until I had that information I would admit that I don’t know. Which state of being I would not bear comfortably.

My deepest thanks to those who commented on my comment above. I also thank the mods who I may have treated unfairly. I value most the personal interactions that happen in this cafe. For me the political is the personal. Your ideas are critical to my personal development and to my understanding of my political-sexual worldview.

My first impression concerns the many comments about “communal sex” and only one about the Flynn firing. Indicates to me the overwhelming power of a radical sexual idea.

I want to spend some time in addressing what you said. But first a disclosure. I value reason highly but I am aware of how volatile my emotional side is. This vineyard kicks off a chain reaction of feelings. Just thinking about this place evokes fear, self-judgement, anger, disgust, resentment, depression, guilt, shame, childhood trauma, self-doubt and contradictory desires to stay and to leave on one hand and curiosity, learning, persistence, strength, wisdom, sharing etc. on the other.

This cafe in particular dredges up my dark bottom dwellers. Frankly, this cafe scares and exhilarates me. Its purpose of stopping war ironically brings the war home to me personally–so that it can be stopped. In my experience there is close correlation between my personal wars within and geo-political wars without. I do keep up with current events here and elsewhere.

It’s a life and death matter for me to discover the causes of war and to correct them. For you my feelings may be too over the top. I can understand that. I cannot help feeling how horrible war is for so many suffering people. I have to do what I can to stop it.

The motto of this vineyard draws me like iron filings to a magnet. This vineyard has become my personal battleground. I feel guilty about using a site that someone else has created to solve my problems (and the world’s) but I have lost control to some strange, stronger power.

Enough. I now address your comments starting with the first. I’ll get to the others in due course.

@ Talks to Cats

“Enough. I’ll play then.” I like that start. This is play, sometimes deadly but play nevertheless.

“Your fantasy…” Yes, this is my fantasy but not entirely fantastical. There is reason and reality in the myth which I’ll get to. To turn the argument around, this war world with its horrendous terror seems to me to be someone’s sick fantasy materialized in this gross realm.

You appear to be characterizing “times past” and “even today” as “Moral rot.” I assume that you also recognize beauty and goodness which would be applicable to the past and present.

“Gross overpopulation” is present in many places of the modern world. It does not follow that it was present near the origin of our species 100,000 years ago because if it was our species would have died out by outrunning resources. See Jared Diamond.

“Continual pregnancy” is with us today in some populations partly out of security and partly as a political tool to gain control of a nation through the vote. In our origins we practiced natural birth control through the following methods, although not limited to them: 1. anovulation for several years in pubescent girls who could have frequent sex and not get pregnant; 2. lactation which has a birth limiting effect; 3. multiple other ways besides intercourse of having sex in a “communal sex” arrangement; 4. life in small communities where everyone knew everyone else intimately with the awareness that overpopulation would destroy the small group, with the result that group pressure would limit intercourse if that were necessary; 5. knowledge of herbs and foods that dampen over-production of babies; 6. a mainly fruit diet which would have avoided the bulked up, aggressive testosterone driven males who hunted and ate blood-soaked meat; 7. evidence now that suggests very frequent sex has a contraceptive effect; 8. young men and anovulatory women who were encouraged to have sex frequently in the culture of our origins would have “gotten it out of their system” early so that as they matured they would have turned to love and affectionate caressing, cuddling and kissing without the overwhelming pressure from suppression to act out sexually, as is the case in our repressed culture; 9. sacred sex rites of our origins would have captured much of the physical sex energy and directed it to communal and timeless verities (we might call it spiritual–a misleading term that downplays material); 10. the sacramental (sacred-mental) recognition of the meaning of the sexual fluids; 11. the overarching experience of pleasure (Eden means pleasure where waters flow) in all areas of life such as eating, playing, dancing, singing, birthing and dying–would have the result of reducing the use of intercourse as a compensatory mechanism for lack of a fulfilling life so characteristic of our culture.

There are others which I will add to the list as I recall them.

“100% venereal disease” would only have entered the picture with the eating of killed flesh and later with the domestication of animals. Almost all traditional diseases come from unnatural closeness to animals, such as our more recent ancestors’ living in the same quarters as animals for warmth. Many died from such practices but with time tolerance was built up. Not so for the American natives who encountered the disease carrying Europeans. Slaughtering animals and eating them is a high moral crime in my view that does carry penalties such as disease. Animals do take their revenge. These assertions are based on my reading over the years; not being a researcher, I have not kept notes on the sources. My point is that in the love culture of our origins venereal disease would not have been a problem.

Bear in mind that we are looking backward through the lenses of patriarchy, which to my mind is one big lie stemming from the rebellion against and destruction of the love culture. For proof do not believe the liars. Listen to your deepest faculties in touch with truth. If your epistemology is dependent on patriarchal propaganda or religious revelation you will not understand what I am saying, although your unconscious may keep the seed for another time.

“stands condemned self-evidentially…” If anything is evident at all, it is the “moral rot” of war which begs for an explanation. I have identified ten principles of that rot in other places here which are also causes of war; no need to reiterate. Here I am responding to your comment. I do this for my own edification and for anyone else who may find what I say of interest. I have no desire to convince, debate or argue. I am sharing my feelings and thoughts because it seems the right thing to do generally and particularly in the case of war.

“Communal sex” has become the touchstone and litmus test of my thinking. I didn’t plan it that way. The idea just asserted itself as if it has a life of its own. Perhaps it is an idea whose time has come. I always situate it within a context of well-governed love.

There is no way I can avoid being misunderstood or in escaping the ire of those who misunderstand what I am saying. “Communal sex” is a radical idea in the sense of going to the root. In most cases the misunderstanding is not intentional or connected to malice. In a patriarchal anti-love culture we have been divided and conquered and alienated from each other. There is a chasm between us where the exceptions strengthen the rule.

Despite my all too evident dysfunctions and limitations, the idea of love has taken hold of me. It has necessary links to freedom and other virtues; and more recently (and surprisingly) to the idea of “communal sex.” In my upcoming responses to those who shared their ideas relative to this issue I hope to unpack some of the inherent meaning.

It is my honor and pleasure to do this in a communal setting like this. I will do it poorly with more failures than successes but I must “do or die.” I may be imposing on your good graces but there are inbuilt mechanisms for dealing with the likes of me; the most extreme being simply to ban me.

There are bound to be clashes of ideas in a free-speech community. On the global level it is an information war. As above so below. However, I believe that if we persist in “communionalization” we will come to the mother-lode which we know not yet. I am looking forward to discussing the remaining comments. All in good time. Love.

Quoting Dennis … “This vineyard has become my personal battleground. I feel guilty about using a site that someone else has created to solve my problems (and the world’s) but I have lost control to some strange, stronger power.”

An accurate self diagnosis.

So far these communal sex rants (a fantasy) a which is totally a man’s Playboy fantasy and clueless to a woman’s perspective… and has done nothing to stop the empire’s war on Russia.

Just provides ‘interesting’ glimpses into the mind of an elderly man. Way way too much information.
Yes, I should have just skipped past it.

Not totally. Dennis does have redeemable qualities and should not be thrashed senseless and tossed by the side of the road so the armored columns can roll past on the way to the front, IMHO. The root of this spiritual war is something he is looking much deeper into, than most.

I just think it has a lot more to do with love and inability to love (in the sense of lack of courage and will, two vital but oft neglected aspects of the “trinity” of love……) than it has to do with sex, which can be an aspect of love…..but often is NOT!!!

More humor. More women (like Isabella and yourself) speaking up. You often think men can and should be able to read your minds.NOT!!! We’re not as intuitive as our sisters are. I however had 3 of them plus a mother usually present and a father usually absent, so I count myself lucky to not have my right brain atrophied! lol

This reminds me of a seminar I once attended in Marin County north of San Francisco.

It was led by Loral Langmeir entrepreneurial coach. Quite a few women were in attendance. Some little time was set aside for the men to socialize between two general presentations, while she briefly addressed women only on business and financial “plans” strictly from a woman’s perspective. Not being very social and there being no closed doors, I was able to hang around the periphery and eavesdrop.

The first thing Loral said, after calling the meeting to order was:

“The first thing you have to understand, ladies, is this: A MAN is NOT a plan!!”

Bro 83
I agree Dennis has an interesting way with words which I appreciate… its the communal sex rants that belong on his own website.

In response to this point.

Quoting Dennis…7. evidence now that suggests very frequent sex has a contraceptive effect;

No… ‘fear’ of pregnancy has a contraceptive effect.
Yes, if the woman is over 53 years old then your point 7 would work. Otherwise it’s just another ‘trust me you won’t get pregnant’ mantra from a man in heat.

A woman spends 42 years of her life either trying to get pregnant but mostly trying to prevent pregnancy.

My generation has been used and abused by Big Pharma and suffered every medical experiment: the Pill, IUD (cooper inserts), thalidomide for morning sickness, test tube babies, hormone replacement therapy to stop the natural process of menopause … I’m sure there are more. Every phase of a woman’s true nature must now be treated as a medical ‘condition’.

Big pharma has flooded the world/ soil with estrogen – flushed into waterways from Pill users.

For those who have a naive idea about the fact of the deep state: From-” JFK and the Unspeakable” by James W. Douglass.

re: how CIA Director Allen Dulles set it up in the 1950’s:

“Dulles needed military support for his covert campaigns to undermine opposing nations in the Cold War. Moreover, Dulles wanted subterranean secrecy and autonomy for his projects, even from the members of his own government. Prouty’s *( director of the Pentagon’s “Focal Point Office for the CIA”)job was to provide Pentagon support and deep cover for the CIA beneath the different branches of Washington’s bureaucracy. Dulles dictated the method Prouty was to follow.

“I want a focal point,” Dulles said. ” I want an office that’s cleared to do what we have to have done; an office that knows us very, very well and then an office that has access to a system in the Pentagon. But the system will not be aware of what initiated the request–they’ll think it came from the Secretary of Defense. They won’t realize it came from the Director of Central Intelligence..”

Dulles got Prouty to create a network of subordinate focal point offices in the armed services
, then throughout the entire U.S government. Each office that Prouty set up was put under a “cleared”
CIA employee. That person took orders directly from the CIA but functioned under the cover of his particular office and branch of government. Such “breeding,” Prouty said decades later in an interview, resulted in a web of covert CIA representatives “in the Sate Department, in the FAA, in the Customs Service, in the Treasury, in the FBI and all around through the government–up in the White House… Then we began to assign people there who, those agencies thought, were from the Defense Department. But they actually were people that we put there from the CIA.”

If this is how it functioned in the 1950’s, how much more pervasive and organized is it nowadays? Only a few people upstream really need to know what is the grand plan.

And sometimes a cigar is a dildo.http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/1998/09/what_exactly_is_the_cigar_story.html
The story is that Monica Lewinsky (removed MOD,too graphic.If people what to know they can read the article.) while President Clinton (removed MOD). Yassir Arafat was supposedly kept waiting in the Rose Garden while this was going on in a room next to the Oval Office. The story has been widely talked about, moderately referred to in the mainstream press, and narrowly (i.e., in the Drudge Report, the New York Post, and various British papers) reported as fact.

Article and interview Dr. Leuren Moret, American geoscientist and international radiation expert, says the whole country of Syria is plagued with radioactive contamination because the United States not only used depleted uranium weaponry, but provided it to terrorists fighting against the Syrian government. Since 1990 the US have always been using depleted uranium in Iraq and elsewhere resulting in genetic damage, birth defects, cancer, immune system damage, and other serious health problems.

Chicago, Chicago that toddling town
Chicago, Chicago I will show you around
I love it bet your bottom dollar you’ll lose the blues in Chicago, Chicago
The town that Billy’s Sunday couldn’t shut down

On state street that great street I just want to say
They do things that they don’t do on Broadway
They have the time, the time of their life
I saw a man he danced with his wife in Chicago, Chicago my home town

Chicago, Chicago that toddling town
Chicago, Chicago I’ll show you around
I love it bet your bottom dollar you’ll lose the blues in Chicago, Chicago
The town that Billy’s Sunday couldn’t shut down

On state street that great street I just want to say
They do things that they never do on Broadway say
They have the time, the time of their life
I saw a man and he danced with his wife in Chicago
Chicago, Chicago that’s my home town

Trouble is, “Old Blue Eyes” was a mafia pawn used by the Empire to try to compromise and take ownership of JFK. But that’s not geography, that’s part of the not so spiritual history of the USA. Lots of slaves here, in our past, white as well as black.

Now kinterra, above, may just have given me an opening to answer, in one comment, or come closer than I thought I could, his question about my view of the occulted ritualistic aspects of 911 and why I consider them more crucial to understand than all the technical physical details combined.

For those unfamiliar with those occulted, ritualistic aspects from which 93 in my handle derives (9 equalling the # of base or beast consciousness, according to Anton LaVey himself because it “always returns to itself” just like EGO….in other words, it goes nowhere except to hell….and 3 being trinity of Thought Spirit and Action in harmony, therefore 93 being going from base consciousnes to higher consciousness through that which allows ascension, namely Courage, Care, and WIll ….the triune qualities of LOVE) it all jumped out to Mark Passio within a couple of months of his being initially fooled by 911.

That happened because some years prior to 2001 he had been immersed in the occult until it sickened him to the point of rebellion against it, and he decided to de-occult it, as his life’s purpose, after a female at a conference asked him what he was doing with all his esoteric knowledge, which is so rare.

“Oh, nothing much.”, he responded. “I still do some research, reading, documentaries, etc.”

“What makes you think you have a right to sit on all this knowledge you have, and do nothing good for the world with it?”, was her response.

According to his own account, he decided not long after that conversation that he had no such right, and started doing podcasts. Well before 911, is my impression.

So, little by little within 60 days of 911, Mark was fully on to the ritualistic design of the whole “failed” (’cause Flight 93 failed to reach Bldg 7) botched megastunt for world domination by a bunch of self-loathing psychopaths bent on world domination. Who else would ritualistically immolate Love??? And kill 2994 people in the twin towers and aircraft, but self-loathing psychopaths??

You have to hate everything to do that. Everything including, most of all, your own enslaved, dark soul, or lack thereof.

And if time permits, others watch it too, to better follow this answer!

You know, the British are just a wee bit more sophisticated than us colonials (USA, Canada, Australia…etc) and as Quigley asserts (and our Tony Opmoc proves) the most sociable of all Europeans. Pub 3+ times in a week? I haven’t been 3 times in a year. And have had neighbors for 10 years that I haven’t spoken to half that many times!

But there is a thick fog of Venetian intrigue and oligarchism that usually overhangs those isles, its cities, and “blasted heaths”. And that sick, evil Adams Family monarchy (Phillip = Lurch) is really such an absurd thing to tolerate, let alone venerate. But I have to say, their freedom movement, while less feisty than the ones in the colonies (USA, Canada, Australia) may be more intelligent!

But unlike The Trap, I don’t think this video by a British researcher will ever get on BBC. Or if it does, I might just declare “Victory!!” of good vs evil:

Why? Because “The Trap”, while very useful and worth watching in no way threatens to expose the dark priesthood, the occultocracy, the witches, if you will behind the Rothschilds, the Crown, and the petty Macbeths such as Thatcher (hmmmm…maybe she was ONE of the witches) major or Tony Blair.

This occultocracy, I can guarantee you already knew, about the consequences of “game theory” and John Nash’s schizoprenia (a not so “beautiful” mind….) as applied to societies and politics and international relations and “freedom” (either the “positive” macro version attempted by states or the “negative” micro version “left to individuals” ( right!??? How stupid do you think I am??!!) from the get-go!

However, their intention would never, ever be to allow Adam Curtis in on their little secret, at the start of their social engineering for enslavement of humanity project that they give names to like “Project Democracy”…or “Freedom” this or that.

Deception. Hide, occult your purpose, if you are one of them, one of the psychopaths.

However, when you are close to taking “all the marbles” they went for it Sept 11, 2001 and showed it in broad daylight. For those with the knowledge and eyes to see, that is. Everyone else, probably 9.9999% of the human race that to this day has no idea what Passio rolls out in those links above, is, the psychopaths believe and not without good reason unaware, and subconsciously under their mid control, in their thrall.

Trouble is, they mucked up their ritual, some unknown act of will took flight 93 out in Pennsylvania, it never reached Bldg 7 , and while millions were shaken up to the exact effect intended, 3 buildings down with only 2 planes reaching Manhattan immediately woke up some Rip Van Winkles, who then proceeded to wake up millions more Rip Van Winkles.

But the deeper issue now is, “Why these psychopaths?”

WHY are they self-loathing?

Why don’t they care?

How did all that come about?

And that kinterra, is why I am reading Zecahria Sitchin about humanity’s ancient past. And minimally this is a damned funny hypothesis, at least from my strange sense of humor, and Passio’s dry one:

Parental abandonement. Or to expand on the concept (mundomaniac….this turns you off, I know but is really fun, if you look a little deeper) Cosmic Abandonement.

So, for appreciators of wry humor, in his presentation on that subject, Passio posts the shot of
Kevin McAuley HOME ALONE:

In other words, in the view of the psychopathis dark occultists that run the Empire, THEY (they could care less about us….) were abandoned here on this rock, by God, or the “gods” or their “parents” as these psychos actually view it, and that’s really rough on the psyche. It’ll even mess up “normal” human babies big time! .

Anyway, that’s the hypothesis, which there is something to, spiritually, I tend to agree and which there is a great deal to do with revealing the nature of the darkness we are up against, I have zero doubt. Why?

Because I have a sense of probabilities and IMHO the chance of Flights 11 and 175 adding up to 186 divided by 2 = 93 across the board for all 3 intended Manhattan targets being a “coincidence” and “not important” is exactly ZERO.

It’s the MOST important. Becaue IT will tell you more about the satanic nature of the enemy of humanity and their actuiall self-loathing conception of themselves, their lack of Care, and their supposed dark qualifications for enslaving this planet than anything else I can think of that is that clear, that unambiguous, than their own god-damned 911 ritual, once you fully “get it”. And It goes way, way beyond this little sketch, BTW.

But just like “Game Theory” discussed in The Trap and running the world and every individual “by the numbers” like we are nothing but digital computers, the main thing is the numbers 11, 93, 175 and 77 (easily arranged by them…getting in to the board rooms of American and United and teaking some flight numbers to their liking is a piece of cake to these creeps…..all in a days’s work, yawn…..)…….

I hope this anwers at least 75% of the question you (kinterra) asked a month or so ago.

Thanks Bro, I follow your thinking to some degree. As I see it there are various levels of consciousness around most everything including the events on the world stage. Some people accept the narratives they are told by the controllers. Others scratch the surface and see that there are nefarious individuals and groups at work behind the false narratives. Another smaller faction understands the real battle is for the human soul.

Adam Curtis fits into #2. He is not exposing the dark priesthood and the occultocracy. He is giving background that the former ideologies of the UK and the US were hijacked by specific individuals who exploited bizarre social theories to achieve self-serving goals. I can recommend these films to people who are just waking up. They are not ready to accept that their are far deeper levels of evil at work.

For myself, I am careful not to go too far down the rabbit hold. I do grasp how an agenda is working to detach the earth and humanity from our spiritual sustenance, without which we will continue to wither and become absurd caricatures of our divine image and likeness. I live with this big picture on a daily basis. I also have too give equal time, in fact more than equal time to cultivating the good, the true, and the beautiful within myself and to the extent that I am able in the world at large. I think a 30/70 ratio is a good balance.
Thanks for the dialog.
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kinterra, I appreciate the remark and the “Trap” which I shared with my wife. She’s probably watching it now.

You’re right, it’s a start. And the darkness Passio survived and came out of and decodes for 911 is not for the spiritually weak or faint of heart. But I would say the professional investigator better pay attention. It is not fully competent if he or she doesn’t.

As Starikov said about the “suicided” Paris Police detective (that had to go, because he saw Charlie Hebdo ‘False Flag’ all over the place….) “Come on! What kind of feeble investigator is this we are being asked to believe couldn’t take it, so he takes his own life? This is a very feeble investigator!” https://youtu.be/piSVukTk4co

[…]So, little by little within 60 days of 911, Mark was fully on to the ritualistic design of the whole “failed” (’cause Flight 93 failed to reach Bldg 7)…[…]

There where no planes!

At least no planes flew in the buildings. What you saw on vid is CGI plus real explosions in the buildings which should mimic an real impact of a plane. What is possible is, that the planes were hijacked to eliminate them including the passengers, so that the story looks real.

However, what is settled by Mark is the extensive, symbolic and numerological ritualistic characteristics of the event which are richly decoded and made intelligible in the linked 5 hour video that settle, spiritually speaking, what kind of darkness we are up against right now for the person conscious enough to grasp the rich detail, immediately, and not, like the debatable unknowns and open investigations, “until the cows come home”.

Yes, absolutely, investigate every detail and prepare for charges and convictions as your intent, not titillation and entertainment. These things are open, and on going, still incomplete. And I do want to get to Judy Wood one of these days to sort through that which both you and Dennis have read, well ahead of me.

But meanwhile, what I am telling you, is that in my considered judgment the real gold (value, and therefore “goal” as well as gold) is in the spiritual insights, derived from breaking down a goddamned, very, very extensive ritual, that gets deeply into the minds of the “architectural” design level of 911 as a consciousness burying event. Which, halleluyah! ……failed.

And this will bring us back to your “wheelhouse” (Enki, Enlil, etc ) in a most fascinating way. Because it just might answer the#1 question: WHY?

Why did any part of humanity get that spiritually messed up? And, simultaneously, why did they get that powerful?

LePen needs to support a woman’s right to wear or not wear what she desires including burkinis on a beach, a public place. The religious types have their rights on their own turf to demand whatever ( including no women on Mt Athos) but civil rights are civil rights.

I am so tired of women being used as political football and people being hypocritical about human rights i.e. it is OK for Israel to build a wall but not the USA etc., State of California funding Sanctuary Cities and the legal fees of illegals but ignoring the job needs of their own inner cities and the infrastructure repair in the rural ( conservative voting) areas.

“”We’re sending a message” to Russian President Vladimir Putin, Biden said. “We have the capacity to do it and the message will be sent. He’ll know it and it will be at the time of our choosing and under the circumstances that have the greatest impact on the capacity to do –to fundamentally alter the election. To do, it is not what they think. I’ll tell you what, to the extent that they do, we will be proportional in what we do.”

Asked whether the public will know when it happens, Biden responded: “I hope not.”

Well, it’s possible and not would not be surprising if the ambasadors deaths, or other events, were the result of US black ops, but they may not be, in any or all particular cases, since stuff happens all the time anyway — and we’ve seen various terrorist groups trying to take ‘credit’ for various things. It’s very ambiguous.

I could threaten that I will cause major fires unless this or that is done, and sit and wait for fires to break out — which they will of course, as they always do, and then say “See — I warned you”.

I heard about a horse race scam where someone sent predictions to a large number of people saying he could predict the winners, and would send them predictions for some amount of money. All the predictions were different to the different people. For those which didn’t work out, he dropped it, for those which did, he kept up sending them which grew increasing looking like the guy could actually predict which horse would win, and be worth paying a lot of money for predictions.

With the media and such we have, if something doesn’t happen — the Kremlin did not catch on fire — no one would think Biden’s threats were the Kremlin burning, and things which did happen could be attributed to Biden’s threats, which were completely non-specific. Predictions which don’t pan out are forgotten. Biden might just as well said, substantively, that ‘stuff was going to happen’ and adding on that the US would be doing it as revenge. This could be nothing more than a BS psyop — they are all the rage these days.

Threats need to be much more specific, and with specified results, before those who threaten or take ‘credit’ can be taken seriously.

I would like to continue commenting on the comments to my initial comment at the top. I view this as a kind of conversation encouraged by the cafe setting. I see that there have been intervening comments. I will get to them in good time.

@ Bro 93 2/20, 6:08 am

I did not know it until now but yes, there is a code in the 3 + 8 “communal sex” meme. Three is the minimum number of community. Two is a couple and one is a single. In other words, 3 is communal. 8 is structural, containing two 4 squares. Communal Sex is the cornerstone in the building of reality.

You mention “bravery, subtlety and intelligence.” It takes one to know one and to distinguish bravery from bravado.

You “wince” at the notion of me being tackled but I detect more of a “wink” than a “wince.”

“…quick scan to avoid the impact of a defensive back slamming into a nearly 80 year old man at full speed.” Please don’t take “offense” if I probe your defense while you call the next offensive play. You seem to be probing yourself by setting up a straw-man of age and weakness. You appear to be holding back your strong and quick running back out of deference or fear. If I read your statement correctly, you are the “defensive back.” All I can say is: “don’t hold back.” Now is not the time for playing inconsequential games that distract from winning the big game. If you knock me from here to kingdom come it’s better than throwing the game for some lesser gain. Be another middle linebacker like Ray Nietzsche.

Regarding the Count Khazar episodes, I have 19 on my email, thanks to my nephew in Wisconsin where I wrote about a dozen of the episodes. After seeing another one disappear here I stopped writing them about six weeks ago and turned my attention elsewhere–to my new project of making videos on Sex Tarot, while battling my demons who took advantage of my catching bronchitis and straining my back. But now I am back on track and feel like a strong enough running back to take a defensive attack turned offensive.

I could try to find out how to send you the episodes all in one piece but I hesitate. Why? You tell me. I have recently discovered an important piece regarding Uncle Abe, the Count and Countess Zioness. Some scholars are saying that the emphasis on Ashkenazi Jews is fake news to take pressure off the fact that all Jews are working in concert. I have suspected that which is why I created an Ashkenazi Jew in the Count and a homeland Jew in the Countess and her uncle. The roots of this false tension go back to Roman, Greek and Babylonian times when the Jews resisted all empires but their own small one. In 70 AD Titus destroyed their temple and scattered many of them. Some ended up in Germany from where they later moved to the Khazar kingdom on the southern borders of Russia, hence the term Ashkenazi. The point is that this Jewish stock came from fierce zealot fighters who preferred death to submission. They now have a blood score to settle with Rome who adopted the Christian religion to further destroy the Jews. The two strongest groups will turn out to be Jews and Christians who will fight the ultimate battle over Jerusalem. Right now we’re seeing the pieces being set in place for this Armageddon event. Useful proxies like Islam are being courted by both Pope Francis and Patriarch Netanyahoo, not to mention the proxy US itself.

“Quotation marks [communal sex] are a refrain.” Yes, indeed. But the question is why does that turn you off? What is offensive about refrains? Or is it only certain ones that threaten the edifice of empire or the pseudo-self? There is no reason to fear since these are merely ideas which nobody has to implement physically. What’s to fear in words?

As you say: “if it is a true concept there are many ways to express it.” How true. If someone can get over the inbred emotional and unconscious conditioning taboos, he or she could shed much light on a controversial idea. Why is communal sex such a “incomprehensible” idea if not for the threat of punishment?

Take the example of Zecharia Sitchen and the Dead Sea Scrolls. Both were buried for many years by political correctness and academia privilege and fear. But the truth has emerged and is gaining traction even in academia. I read all of Sitchen’s books many years ago. Thanks to his wife who encouraged him to write, a whole new meta-story is taking shape about our origins. It is not the only one. The Love Government and Army tells the more cogent one in my opinion.

We crave knowledge about our personal early upbringing and our societal upbringing as homo sapiens or we seek to black it out at all costs. Why? Because it threatens every aspect of our fake culture and civilization. So what? Did Zecharia’s view destroy his marriage? No. We don’t have to change one iota unless circumstances force us to (for example, an economic collapse).

You and Quigley and Pope and so many others want to know the source of evil. But at the same time do everything in their power to not know it. Welcome to the world of patriarchy which destroyed loverarchy, or so it thinks.

Love necessitates freedom which allows for evil of the worst sort. You didn’t mention this but a subsequent discussion did and I want to note it for the record here. Christ’s blood is said to save us. I question the first term in that phrase but not the second. If I want to know the source of good and evil, I need look no further than the phenomenon of blood. Depending, I’ll unpack that later.

I’m picking on you because you stood up in the trench. Lightning rods do serve a purpose and if not well grounded get burned. That might happen to me if I don’t stand my ground. Thanks so much for educating me on the Perils of Pauline. I was brought up not far from Green Bay. My dad took me to a Packer game around 1950. I remember the wooden bleachers of all things. The Pack could have won the first four or five Super Bowls instead of a mere two if that idiot Paul Hornung, good old number 5 from Notre Dame, the Golden Boy with five Heisman’s, star in more than one sport and favorite son of Vince had not bet on his own team. Anyway, Lombardi was highly quotable. Here’s one: “It’s not about being knocked down but about getting up.”

Pear? That would be Kent, Anonymous X a few dozen….” (sympathizers), etc

My annoyance is slight, my perplexity substantial, my appreciation for the humor and irony, significant. Well here we are in the land of Fruits and Nuts both human and vegetable, so it is “Live and let live, laugh and let gaffe, expose and repose.”

Sorry, no time for a football or rugby scrimmage. A nap makes more sense.

You know, Sitchin was either on to some facts that change everything or his is the most elaborate invention ever conceived of and executed. You process these things in a very different way than I do. You seem to not care which of those two extremes it is. Sure, there is everything under the sun. So what? Is it not up to us to discern what has the most truth to it and what has the least, what matters, what doesn’t matter, and conduct ourselves accordingly?? Instead of lumping it all into one great unknown “Night in which all cows are black.” ??

Nibiru either exists or it doesn’t Dennis. How about finding out which of those two it is, instead of just saying “It’s night (we’re ignorant, and cannot know) all cows are black, yours as well as mine, I can’t see yours, you can’t see mine, but it’s sacred to me, and I call it “8 + 3”.

I think we can do a little better than that.

Don’t answer quickly, cause a new Cafe will probably open before I can read your reply, so it may go unread. And think about how much space you occupy. Repose. Next Cafe.

In 70 AD Titus destroyed their temple and scattered many of them. Some ended up in Germany from where they later moved to the Khazar kingdom on the southern borders of Russia, hence the term Ashkenazi.

A fairytale disproven by Koestler (13th Tribe). They came to Germany FROM Khazaria.

The point is that this Jewish stock came from fierce zealot fighters who preferred death to submission.

The 73 AD Masada Seige Myth again.

[A]t least one Israeli academic, Nachman Ben-Yehuda, suggests that the truth may be somewhat less romantic and heroic.

“When we carefully examine ……. the Great Revolt and Masada, a portrait of heroism …… is simply not provided. On the contrary. The narrative conveys the story of a doomed (and questionable) revolt, of a majestic failure and destruction of the Second Temple and of Jerusalem, of large-scale massacres of the Jews, of different factions of Jews fighting and killing each other, of collective suicide (an act not viewed favourably by the Jewish faith) by a group of terrorists and assassins whose “fighting spirit” may have been questionable.”

. . . Were the defenders of Masada a group of religious zealots who fought a heroic but doomed guerrilla war against an overwhelmingly superior adversary? Certainly Josephus’s account does not reflect this view. In fact he shows nothing but contempt for the defenders of the fortress, whom he describes as Sicarii – an extremist group that committed murder in order to obtain their political objectives. They took their name from the “sicae” or small daggers concealed under their cloaks with which they stabbed their opponents – almost exclusively fellow Jews who they perceived as too moderate or openly sympathetic to Roman rule. These Sicarii, Josephus states, “strove with one another in their single capacity, and in their communities, who should run the greatest lengths in impiety towards God and in unjust actions towards their neighbors”.

Nowhere in his account of the Masada siege does Josephus make any reference to the defenders taking the initiative against the Roman army, even though many contemporary versions credit them with waging a guerilla war against the Romans for up to three years. This omission cannot be attributed to pro-Roman bias on Josephus’s part – he includes stories of Jewish attacks against the Romans at both Jerusalem and Machaerus in other parts of his narrative. The most likely reason that there is no mention of attacks being launched against the Romans at Masada is because the defenders never launched any. In fact the only military action of any size that he attributes to them is a raid on the nearby Jewish settlement of Ein-Gedi during which they slaughtered more than 700 of their co-religionists, many of them woman and children

. . .Josephus was specific about the number of people besieged at Masada – 967 men, women and children. He also states that with the exception of two women and five children who hid themselves in the caverns beneath the citadel that they all perished. He is equally specific about where they died; the royal palace. Yadin’s excavations uncovered the remains of only 28 people, however, and of these only three were discovered under the debris of the palace. The remainder were discovered in a cave at the base of the cliff . . . The whereabouts of the remaining 932 bodies remains a mystery . . .

Joseph Zias of Jerusalem’s Rockefeller Museum has yet another theory. After carbon dating samples of textiles found with the remains indicated that they appeared to be contemporaneous with the period of the Revolt, he postulated that they could in fact be of Roman origin. Yadin admitted in 1982 that he had found pig bones alongside the remains – a highly unlikely combination if they were indeed those of zealous Jews to whom the pig is an unclean animal. But Zias notes that Romans sacrificed pigs at burials.

A government committee overruled Yadin’s suggestion that all these remains be interred in the cave where they were found. Instead they were buried at Masada with full military honours on July 7, 1969.

Allow me to continue the conversation concerning my opening comment at this cafe featuring a rather determined looking man approaching a cafe door. I owe it to those who took the time and effort to engage with me on our common quest to return favors and keep the karma clear. I am addressing the comments chronologically.

@ White whale

I feel honored to be in the position of Trump who is resisting the futile attempts of the left to shut down the free speech of his supporters. Thanks for responding and showing which side you are on.

You think I have a fetish regarding sex. I scanned various definitions of fetish. They range from strong desire or devotion to objects that provoke sexual desire.

Unless your parents were extreme Puritans there would have been some elements of a fetish in your conception. In other words, we can broaden or limit a fetish according to our prejudices or use it as a power tool.

Let us use war as an example of a suppressed fetish. When I search war and fetish I get 11 million hits. The idea is not far-fetched. Nor is the probability that many get off on the blow-downs of bombs, rockets, jets and guns etc.

Fetish is a loaded word. Loaded with emotion. To promote a reasonable discussion rather emotional ad hominems let us use a more neutral word like desire. I find the idea of sex desirable. After all, it is how we all got here. But that is not what you want to hear so I will go no further.

Thanks for sharing your own fetish in the sense of desire. See how nice it is when the ballast of emotional bondage is thrown overboard. Perhaps you don’t see it yet but keep sharing and you may before long in this fetish-free cafe.

I once had a very knowledgeable (in many fields) person working in my company, and I am grateful to an extent for some of the knowledge conveyed to me by this person, especially in the “Scientific” consensus of geology.

However. He was unstoppable, and would follow you around, talking, filling your head with a constant flow of what was going around in his head. His nickname in England (where he came from) was “The talking diarrhea” . No less!

May I suggest you read Henry Millers “A devil in Paradise” to get a glimpse , however small, of how annoying to some people your rants are.

Then I would suggest you go backwards from that Novel, and read some of his earlier works “Tropic of Cancer” – “Tropic of Capricorn” etc..

An extensive analysis on the shear scope of your existential problems, and the why’s and how’s is far beyond contemplation for my part.

Once upon a time there was a kettle. A very fine kettle. It was getting on with its own business of boiling water. All of a sudden, it trembled, so to say, and spluttered a bit ; the pot sharing the same stove had called it BLACK!!!

And that will drive the male of the species up the wall, as the programming to procreate through penetration of the female of the species, and “planting one’s seed” therein is far too powerful for most of us to deny.

The solution IMHO is marriage. But if the bond is broken, especially before the little sprouts are fully grown, that can be rough on them, especially.

If marriages don’t last and the urge persists to the point that Failure (to ejaculate) Is Not an Option, then A Utopian Solution could be imagined in the form of many, many (up to daily, for the young man) women constantly available with no concerns or hangups about pregnancy, about who will take care of the sprouts and little sapling(s) resulting from the planting of the seed, etc..

Has this ever existed? I’m “from Missouri”: Show me!

If it existed, but couldn’t last very long, might there not be a good reason for this nirvana having been so fleeting?? Like weak states or cultures, it could not survive, because it could not be defended????

Could it (getting “it” , “steady”….with no marriage…) EVER exist, except as a fantasy, in the past OR in the future? If I had to guess right, yes or no, on pain of death for being wrong, I’d have to go with “No.”

Should it exist, because monogamy and families are not perfect, have defects?

What IS perfect? Something we’ve never seen before, but like to imagine, because it provides regular ejaculations for all, without resort to auto-eroticism??

What are the risks of abandonment of marriage and its attempt at simplification for the children, 2 definite recognizable parents? Yuuuge! There a many examples in sociology of absent fathers, in particular, and all things being relative, and none perfect, my guess is that a stable family works out the best overall, and should probably not be f’ed with, radically.

Unless your religion tells you “And then God said to Man and Woman, ‘Go F’ yourselves, and never marry, whatever you do,’cause you’ll just get sick of each other, soon enough, I guarantee it! Share every thing, every where, all the time, every Body!, let’s get this Party “started right NOW”:

But you are right TTC: Sex without marriage may be tasty, and get you high, like alcohol, but unless you have great restraint and can tolerate long and frequent periods of abstinence, mixing up too many kinds of drinks too quickly will probably compel you to go kneeling before the toilet to empty out your digestive tract (and soul), in involuntary spasms.

He is fastidious about his appearance, his home and his possessions. He wants as much sex as possible and chooses sexual partners mostly on the basis of appearance. He is self-absorbed and doesn’t want emotional involvement or commitment. He thinks a woman would stifle him and children would be a burden.

Does this sound like homosexual behaviour? It is also the masculine ideal purveyed by PLAYBOY magazine to men since the 1950’s.

[I]n 1972, when circulation peaked at seven million, 75% of college men got their ideas about masculinity from PLAYBOY, at an incalculable price to themselves, women, children, and society.

The similarity between the PLAYBOY and homosexual ideal is no coincidence. “The Kinsey Report” (1948) shaped current mainstream attitudes to sex. It championed unfettered sexual expression and became the manifesto of the counterculture and sexual revolution.

Thanks to psychologist Dr. Judith Reisman, we now know that the “Kinsey Report” was a fraud. Alfred Kinsey, left, a Rockefeller-funded University of Indiana zoologist, pretended to be a Conservative family man. In fact, he was a child molester and homosexual pervert who seduced his male students and forced his wife and associates to participate in pornographic home movies.

Kinsey’s agenda, in Reisman’s words, was “to supplant what he saw as a narrow procreational Judeo Christian era with a promiscuous “anything goes” bi/gay pedophile paradise.”

. . . “sworn enemies,” Playboy and feminists, found common ground in their hatred of healthy heterosexuality expressed in the nuclear family. As a result of the (homo)sexual revolution, society now suffers from epidemics of family breakdown, pornography, impotence, child sexual abuse, sado sexual violence, teen pregnancy, a cocktail of STD’s and, of course, AIDS. The birthrate has plummeted by 60% since 1960 and is now below replacement level.

I was not at all fastidious when I started reading it at about 14, and neither were were the other kids, including the kid I sold the pictures to so he could resell them at a profit, while I got to see them first, and get the cost of the magazine back, and got to keep the articles (including the ones by Toynbee and Alan Watts) and the racy letters in the forum (and who knows how many were real and how many just invented — I once heard a guy on radio who said that among other things he wrote professionally were the letters for girly magazines).

The fantasy that Playboy wrote about and portrayed was nothing like the guys I saw reading it — that’s the whole point of fantasy.

Well at 22 seconds, it seems (gone by second 23, into red flame explosion) there is what is most probably a missile, as it is far, far smaller than an airliner, just a few feet off the ground, with no sign of any vertical element, like a tail.

It’s a rainy day here. I took a short umbrella walk. Now back to cafe talk. I have been cross-talking in a multi-focal conversation among peers.

@ Prometeus

Right back at you. It’s an honor to directly exchange arguments with you.

Thanks for the complement of me being a pink elephant in the room. I am ignored by most but hardly think I have the presence of such a powerful animal. I do not object to the pink color which gives me a feminine anima aura.

You say the Love Army trucks and sucks. I know what you mean about seeing everything through one lens. It’s a biblical maxim. “Let your eye be single.” As for being obtrusive and monotonous–yes, you could see it that way. I believe you said you may have missed much of my writing. That’s possible since I speak of a Love Army, Love Bower, Love Culture, Love Government, The Lover and Lovers. You could reduce these lenses to one Love.

What about sex you might be thinking? Good catch. I actually have two lenses in my eyeglasses. Love and Sex. Works much better for in depth vision. Sort of analogous, if I may be so bold as to compare mine to your bifocal Tantra and Alchemy.

Thanks for the Koan compliment. A nice description of my work.

Now for the heart of the matter. You assert that my conception of Communal Sex is “completely wrong.” I suppose the corollary of that is that you are completely right. That’s certainly throwing down a gauntlet of sorts. Is there no middle ground where we can meet? Let that pass for now.

I was married for 18 years and have been divorced for 10 years. I have one 24 year old son. Perhaps you can enlighten me as to its significance in this discussion.

You ask if I have had a soul-mate or at least one woman for a lifetime. No, not in the sense I think you mean. If my ex was a soul-mate we would not have divorced, and neither of us has as yet lived a lifetime. That being said, I must also maintain the opposite. Yes, I do have a universal soul-mate and one womam for at least some of my lifetime. She is The Lover who is an abstraction and central conception of all of us as lovers in our various degrees and declensions. That perception segues into the communal idea. Christianity calls it the communion of saints. Since I’m no saint I prefer a communion of lovers for self-nomination.

You describe a “holy circle” of monogamy and the nuclear family where “Mom and Dad are so loving…” Definitely a partial truth in my experience, nor I gather of the divorcee majority or of the single moms or those singles who eschew monogamy for a variety of reasons. I won’t even mention the child abuse, domestic violence and quiet desperation that haunt the houses of the respectably married. I do not refer to yourself or the stalwarts of monogamy here since I do not know.

May I call you out on one small quibble? I have never referred to communal sex as “communal rock and roll.” That is your idea; not mine. Or perhaps a line from one of Luc Besson’s movies.

I sense that you are concerned about children in a communal sex situation. So am I but not so much as children in a nuclear family where they lack the protection of many fathers and mothers.

And yes, I am interested in learning why communal sex is not our “natural state” through the lens of Tantra and Alchemy. I’d like to know at the outset if these two disciplines argue for monogamy as a natural state.

In my voluminous writings and audio and video presentations at thelovegovernment.com I have fleshed out the 99% of an ongoing, unfinished work of which these 1% cafe forays are an all too brief representation. By contrast, I know precious little of your background. Regrettably I have not studied more closely your dialogues with others here due to time restraints. In other words, I am at a disadvantage regarding yourself and so am vulnerable to charges of unfairness.

The rain has let up. I’ll take a walk on the wild side. No, not that one. The one that is safe, sacred and communal. Btw, I like your name. Thanks for the fire.

“Girl power! Mysterious ancient human society was run by a ‘female elite’ and lived in sprawling stone mansions
‘Chacoan’ people were ancestral native Americans who lived 1,000 years ago
They lived in ‘Great Houses’ dug from stone with hundreds of rooms
Genetic analysis of Chacoan bodies reveals they were run by a maternal elite
The study sheds new light on the mysterious, complex society”

“Paul Joseph Watson offers to pay for a journalist to travel to Sweden and see first hand, the violence that Donald Trump has condemned [..]”

“Now though, Paul Joseph Watson of InfoWars has thrown down the gauntlet, challenging journalists to stay in one of the migrant populated parts of Malmo to see for themselves whether they feel personally safe or not [..]”

^ In a way… this reminds me of Abby Martin debacle – after she denounced on air, on her own RT program non the less (!) – while sitting on her high-horse, that she was adamantly against Russia invading and occupying Ukraine, more precisely Crimea at the time. Someone offered her to pay for her to travel to Crimea to document what was actually going on over there (I forget who now, but I think it was RT itself), but she declined the offer under one pathetic excuse or another.

Needless to say… she doesn’t have a show on RT anymore, and I could not have been more jubilant when the last and final episode of ‘Breaking the Set’ was aired and then waved goodbye for good.

Unfortunately… the liberal-infested RT America team replaced Breaking the Set with Watching the Hawks, which is arguably only marginally better than Abby Martin “show” was. < And that was me, being “nice.” I think they’re both just as pointless and an utter waste of air-time as each other. I much rather get water-boarded at GITMO, than forced to endure yet another libtard episode of Watching the freakin’ Hawks! FFS!
And don’t even get me started on the rest of liberal sh!te RT America seems to peddle: The Big Picture, Larry ‘ The Hobbit’ King and his Polidicking or worse; his other program talking to Hollywierd celebs no-one cares about… at this point I’m not even liking Chris Hedges show (and I used to look up to him back in the day when he used to make sense… :/ ) – /end of rant

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Anyhoo… it’d be good to see what this guy, Tim Pool, who took-up on PJW offer, has to report once he comes back from Sweden.

particularly for the Uk I could do with less “watching the hawks” once a week is enough, and more programmes with references to EU and UK—–and even Russia!
If Russia 1 and other channels could be made for western audiences………………..

he President, Donal Trump, led a successful rally in Melbourne FL recently; the First Lady, Melania accompanied him, and she participated, in fact, kicked off the rally reading the Lord’s Prayer, in English.
Imagine, here’s a woman who comes to this great country from Slovenia, one that is quite poor, and now look at her, she is the wife of leader of the most powerful country in the world. Still, the small minded among us have to keep reminding us how small minded and nasty they are by trashing her on social media. One said, that if Mrs. Trump had to READ the Lord’s Prayer, then it proves she isn’t really a Christian. She gave the prayer in English. English is not her mother tongue. She is probably easily capable of reciting it without having the words in front of her, but giving it in English for those of us who are not multilingual it will help her to have the words printed so she doesn’t mess it up. Still, the small minds who cannot give her any consideration and have to visciously attack her because they are butt-hurt over Hillary running such a shabby excuse for a campaign and leave no doubt world-wide how pathetically stupid they are.

Mother was right when she said, “If you don’t have anything nice to say about someone, then keep your yap shut!” And you know what else, those of you who do this kind of thing? Melania will probably not respond to your showing your ass. She will just forgive you for being a silly, foolish, creature, unable to lift yourself above the pathetic. She also knows God is watching you; she will forgive, but God doesn’t forget and you’re going to find out how expensive all those snarky, negative tweets really are.

Human beings are sometimes like sharks, or maybe Piranhas, and they can eat each other, or even themselves.

I posted a few things in the past by Webster Tarpley, who I first met around 1980 at apresentation that he did entitled “Dougles MacArthur versus the British Empire. Top notch historian. He did the world a great service by exposing the Bushes in researching and writing George H.W. Bush: The Unauthorized Biography along with Anton Chaitkin back in the 90’s.

However, kind of like Thomas Paine doing great work in the American Revolution and then getting badly fooled by the French one, I was appalled to see Tarpley advising his readers to “Vote the Democratic ticket (including Hitlery!!!) top to bottom!” in late October last year.

I was informed recently by a LaRouche organizer of 35+ years (now a senior, still in the fight) that Tarpley (who went his own way many years ago) had erred badly in spreading gossipy nonsense (that she had been a high-priced call girl, posing as a model) about Melania, had been sued by her, and effectively lost, by settling, apologizing for his error, and accepting a large monetary penalty against himself in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. OUCH!!! To my knowledge, he’s not loaded, so that really hurts.

Tarpley frequently uses the epithet “mush-head” liberals, but I am afraid his leftist tendencies and personal revulsion against Trump’s business success turned him into one of those long enough to seriously cloud his judgment.

I haven’t had time to look it (the settlement) up on the internet, but my source is reliable enough for me to make this comment with little doubt to no doubt.

Carroll Quigley mentioned (Tragedy and Hope) that the dynamics of mature economies left them no choice but to engage in what he called pyramid building — massive expenditures that kept the surplus credit expended on them from reaching the hands of the population (= inflation).

After observing this blog and reading how Saker analyzes disparate information sources to consolidate a conclusion, I have started to learn ( hopefully) a few things. One is: always there can be other realms of reality like an iceburg both under and over the picture that you can prove quoting sources available and using the fundamental rules of logic and social science. Two: the other realities are neither contradictory nor complementary necessarily.

to wit: for those who say that the “deep state” only exists as some kind of complex Venn diagram with overlapping circle of sometimes personnel and sometimes merely mutual interest, I say, oh yes, but it is much, much more: Here is a quote from a 1970’s source and I have no reason to believe that fundamentally and organizationally much has changed except that IF one can get someone into the head of the hierarchy ( your man) who is both cognizant and cooperative you can effect pull in the direction you want. We now have two military men( discipline, loyal) who know one another and who are crucially placed in the operational-intelligence wing as well as the military wing of the US government ( McMasters NSA and Votel, trained in counter intelligence , now head of Centcom). This does not bode well for Russia and the mid East.

Here is the quote: “The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence” by Victor Marchetti and John D. Marks page 87

” although the CIA has had since its creation exclusive responsibility for carrying out overseas espionage operations for the collection of national intelligence, the various military intelligence agencies agencies and the intelligence units of American forces stationed abroad have retained the right to seek out tactical information for their own departmental requirements. During the Korean and Vietnamese wars, field commanders understandably needed data of enemy troop movements and one way of obtaining it was through the hiring of foreign agents. …the military intelligence services have consistently sought to acquire information through their own secret agents–the justification of course always being the need for departmental or tactical intelligence.

To avoid duplication and proliferation of agents all of those espionage missions are supposed to be coordinated with the CIA. But the military often fail to do this because the know the CIA would not give its approval, or because an arrangement as previous worked out to the effect that as long as the military stay out of CIA’s areas of interest they can operate on their own. Every military unit has an intelligence section and few commanders wish to see their personnel remain idle…”

This is why you can get one commando squad calling in air strikes on Dr without Borders hospital in Kunduz leaving the other one groaning and why different Syrian anti Assad units both supplied with US arms can be fighting each other. Looks like things are going to change very soon.

“McCain has been lambasting Trump to anyone and everyone who will listen since the newly minted president’s inauguration. This includes a Russian comedian who pranked McCain posing as Ukraine Prime Minister Volodymyr Groysman. Even during that troubling conversation, where McCain shared sensitive U.S. intelligence with an imposter, White House aides said McCain unknowingly exposed himself as having inside knowledge of Trump’s telephone conversations.

“He has been given transcripts or actually listened to the calls and is sharing what he has heard,” an administration insider said. “There is no doubt. He is one of the major leaks.”

The John McCain Russian saga keeps getting more bizarre. Sen. John McCain as a presidential candidate in 2008 directly and illegally propositioned Vitaly Churkin, the Russian ambassador to the United Nations, to donate to the McCain/Sarah Palin GOP ticket, according to documents released by Wikileaks.

In August 2014, two political pranksters by the names of Vladimir Krasnov and Aleksei Stoliarov (most recently pranking Elton John in his conversation with ‘Putin’), were involved in a covert investigation over the imposition of Mikhail Saakashvili to the seat of Governor in Odessa, Ukraine.

The pranksters, implanted into the existing administration, had asked Mr. Saakashvii to release the names of his contacts in the US Department of State.

The pranksters, through a number of clever moves and handshakes, managed to convince the runaway-Georgian ex-president in the genuine nature of their discussion with him. Mr. Saakashvilli gave the name of Senator John McCain as his advisor.

Allow me to express how much I am enjoying conversing with those who have joined in the conversation on a subject that is of great interest to me. Let me call it “Love, Sex and War.”

The sands of the hourglass that is this particular cafe are about to run out. It has been my great pleasure to pass the time here and on this final run I want to finish what I started, namely to respond to the commenters who so generously shared their time and energy.

@ Philippa

I have been to nudist places and the experience has been disappointing. Advertising has conditioned my senses to the perfect body. Nudity exposes the shallowness of this enterprise. There is a reason for clothing beyond comfort. Our bodies do not lie. They show the degradation of our culture, even in the bulking up of young bodies which reveal the emptiness of minds and souls.

You’re right. There is a need for “skin, skin, skin.” What would we do without our own? I enjoy my own skin but it does not follow that I need someone else’s skin as well. There are pleasures of the mind and soul especially as I age and mature. It is nice to touch another’s skin but it’s not necessary for happiness.

You are unusually perceptive. You wonder about “the Love Army and Bower at work in current events.” Here we have an epistemological conundrum. How do we know? Well, there are ways that exceed materialistic and technical frameworks. Take Trump or Putin who upset the predictive applecart. Call them black swans who beat all the odds. I see the Love Army at work because I work at seeing it. Is that fair? Why not? All is fair in love, sex and war.

You present a tightly packed observation: “…collective psychic sexual energy behind communal sex–like a kind of ritual.” Wow. You nailed it. It would take books to relish that cornucopia. Way beyond my ability. So I’ll just pass that dish back to you. Expand on that to my edification. I have done my best at thelovegovernment.com but it’s a matter of taste and endurance. My writings here are a mere expansion of what you stated in a nutshell. I would substitute the term “lovscious” for “psychic.” If I think of more I’ll say it somewhere down the line.

Again, you pose quite perceptive questions. “What’s the point if nobody gets the point?” I’d like to hear from others on this point. The point may be that nobody gets it. That’s actually a point, although negative. Leads to the elephant in the room idea. The unconscious or the lovscious level might get what the consciousness does not. Not getting the point opens up a space that is different than getting it on one level and missing it on another. On and on…

@ Uncle Bob

You’re right. Trump seems to be unprotected these days. Why does he not stand up to his enemies as most supporters urge. When you are outnumbered a hundred to one you have to resort to the long game of asymmetrical warfare. You may have to draw your enemies out by appearing weak so you can corral them later. This may not work but it’s the only chance he has. The unknown factor is, well, unknown to us. Trump may have support from the middle and low military and police levels. I don’t think it would still be alive without that. Like Putin, Trump may be encouraging his enemies to spill out their guts. It creates disgust among those who are even half-way awake. People can wake up to constant lies as seems to be happening. Then there’s the trump cards being held back until the right moment to play them. There’s also the higher levels of play which the saints employ. I access that dimension with an all too frail concept, namely the Love Army and others. Even if they kill Trump and make him a martyr it does not mean game over. As Saint Paul said: “we see through a glass darkly.” Thanks so much for your concerns about Trump. I share them.

I agree that what you describe would do nothing to stop war. Ranting and fantasy is not helpful. I’ll accept that you believe I’m doing that. I disagree but I guess time will tell. Keep tuned in. A “woman’s perspective” is the key to stopping war. A point I’ve made over and over. Perhaps my ranting and fantasizing in your perception is interfering with communication. I must do less ranting and more chanting with musical prose I suppose. Thanks for your contribution. I like your post further down about women being abused by Big Pharma.

@ Bro 93

“A Man is Not a Plan.” You mean that the Plan of Man is a ruse? Maybe that’s why we had a Fall of Man. For what it’s worth I think the original plan for us was womam centered which man helpeth.

“…has to do with love and the inability to love (in the sense of lack of courage and will). I agree. Sex is a sign of that dichotomy for good or ill.

@ Kent

The dilemma of “the talking diarrhea” man is solved by properly distinguishing circumstances. It is one thing to have such a creature in your office and another thing to have him blogging where he can be ignored or skipped over. Btw, talking crap as an ad hominem might just be considered in poor taste. “De gustibus non est disputandum.”

It might be helpful to give an estimate, or even name names, to further specify the “some” people who are annoyed with my rants. I suppose these “some” ones get to judge whether what I say are indeed rants. Kind of circuitous, don’t you think? I think you’re ranting so you must be.

@ JJ

Thanks for the link to the New Mexico dig from 1000 years ago. The “female elite” is another form of patriarchy in my opinion.

@ mundanomaniac

“every deep lover eventually becomes one because of the pain rare ‘happy coincidents’ cause in the beloved.” Thanks. I want to mull over that lest I spoil it with commentary.

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