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Poll Fail

What does the ratio of YES/NO or percentages need to come in at to be considered a "niche"?

Think about how many features your TiVo has that you never use, change, or didn't even know what they did, until somebody told you. If we did a poll on each one, wouldn't many TiVo options/features also be considered "niche", if we were to call even 10%, or less, using it the threshold?

Also, how do we know that everybody is aware of this poll, and not just those who read the thread it was born from?

If I set up a poll, and wanted to slant the results, keeping the poll low-key and asking all my "buddies" to vote would be a potential way. I wouldn't do that on a poll I created. I would want maximum exposure, to yield the most and most accurate results, though...

Also, how do we know that everybody is aware of this poll, and not just those who read the thread it was born from?

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You put way too much thought into these non scientifically conducted, statistically worthless polls.

and we know that the responders are probably not just those that read the original thread in the S3 forum because it is it's own thread in a different non tivo series specific forum, Tivo Coffee House. Do you not pay attention to which forums you are posting to?

Back in the S2 days I used it on occasion because it acted like as a passthrough and allowed me to watch something live while the TiVo was recording. These days TiVos don't even have RF outputs so that feature is gone, so really all standby does it turn off the LEDs which really doesn't save any power.

You put way too much thought into these non scientifically conducted, statistically worthless polls.

and we know that the responders are probably not just those that read the original thread in the S3 forum because it is it's own thread in a different non tivo series specific forum, Tivo Coffee House. Do you not pay attention to which forums you are posting to?

This is where I suggested DianeBrat should set up a poll, which you took the liberty of doing, and chose how you phrased the question. I think naming the poll thread "Do you use standby mode?" and then making the actual poll question "Do you use standby mode on your Tivo(s) on a regular basis?" is why we have one "Poll Fail" answer (which is my true feelings of the matter, but I answered a truthful YES). Bravo! Great slight of hand (or words)!

Had you stuck to whether, or not, anybody uses it, without adding "on a regular basis", I think the numbers would be different. That simple variable you added adds complexities, and a slant in what I know you want to see.

More people use it on just their bedroom TiVo, than on their Living Room ones. How do I know? It's been posted by others, besides myself, that a TiVo in Standby, in your bedroom, creates a darker, cooler, and quieter room, more conducive to being able to fall asleep. Yes, I know some people can fall asleep with a WWII movie on at full volume, but not all can. Some NEED dark, quiet, and a comfortable temperature.

I was only saying that the link you posted in the other thread has probably directed the bulk of the people who have answered the poll, to the poll. Bulk isn't even an accurate description for the number of people who have placed their answers to this poll (so far), and it already seems to have stagnated. Time will tell.

Back in the S2 days I used it on occasion because it acted like as a passthrough and allowed me to watch something live while the TiVo was recording. These days TiVos don't even have RF outputs so that feature is gone, so really all standby does it turn off the LEDs which really doesn't save any power.

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As much as I hate to correct a moderator, I think we both can live with this:

1. Yes, It turns off the front LEDs.

2. It turns off ALL AV output, thus freeing up those processing cycles for other tasks (like network transfers, indexing the Guide Cache, and Garbage Collection). When these tasks aren't in progress, then it translates into energy consumption savings and reduced heat from the processing chip(s).

3. It DOES save power, and I have measured it on multiple occasions, using multiple measuring methods. It's only a few cents, when it comes to your electric bill (varies with your electricity rates). But, if this was on Mythbusters, they'd prove it DOES save power. To really get the most savings and heat reduction, you'd need to also use what if referred to as "tuner parking" (tuning your tuners to a channel that can not be tuned to).

4. The value of the energy and heat (as well as network throughput speed) are directly proportional to how many TiVos you have, what generation they are, and how many of them you use it on, as well as how long they are in standby. I can double my transfer speed from a TiVo HD to a Premiere by putting the HD into standby. The effect is notably less with Premiere to Premiere transfers, but still worth it (to me).

I've already explained all this (and much more, in greater detail), so please scroll through and find my long list, or you can find it posted in the other thread as well:

I voted no.
I used to use standby all the time with the original S3 boxes because of the OLED display. Since I wanted the display to last as long as possible. But when I switched to the Premiere boxes I stopped using standby.

on second thought, maybe the <20% that use standby is greatly inflated by the fact that so many people here are of the tech savvy variety

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Actually, depending on who you ask, or who just states what they think without being asked, some (perhaps many) would say that <20% of the people here are of the "tech savvy variety".

It does come up a lot in the upgrade threads, as well as the ones related to potential power supply problems. I don't know the stats, but it seems that (unknown percentage) have "professional" repairs (or upgrades) performed, rather than a DIY solution. The ones that go DIY are usually long-timers that have many posts. The ones that go with a "professional" doing the diagnosis and/or repairs (or upgrades) tend to be newcomers with <10 total posts. This is from my observations, which I'm sure you'll find something to dispute from...

I only bought some "drop in and go" drives from DVR_DUDE, just to see what "magic" he does, and if is claims were valid. IMNSHO, they aren't worth the extra cost, unless you can't follow the step-by-step instructions posted all over the place to DIY. I don't consider leaving all the stock partitions as-is and adding a single 1.7TB extra partition on a 2TB drive upgrade "anything special", compared to what the DIY options do (unless you want to use an external TiVo-approved expander drive along with the upgraded drive, which he says he makes possible).

Yes I did, but that's because the poll is somewhere else, hence the link to it.

This is where I suggested DianeBrat should set up a poll, which you took the liberty of doing, and chose how you phrased the question. I think naming the poll thread "Do you use standby mode?" and then making the actual poll question "Do you use standby mode on your Tivo(s) on a regular basis?" is why we have one "Poll Fail" answer (which is my true feelings of the matter, but I answered a truthful YES). Bravo! Great slight of hand (or words)!

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Again, the issue is whether or not it is a must have feature, and if you do not use it on a regular basis, it is not necessary to you and so it is not a "must have"

Had you stuck to whether, or not, anybody uses it, without adding "on a regular basis", I think the numbers would be different. That simple variable you added adds complexities, and a slant in what I know you want to see.

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I'm not angling for any kind of results and I've already said that the results so far are actually more lopsided than I would have expected.

More people use it on just their bedroom TiVo, than on their Living Room ones. How do I know? It's been posted by others, besides myself, that a TiVo in Standby, in your bedroom, creates a darker, cooler, and quieter room, more conducive to being able to fall asleep. Yes, I know some people can fall asleep with a WWII movie on at full volume, but not all can. Some NEED dark, quiet, and a comfortable temperature.

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If someone uses it on one tivo as you describe, it's still getting used on a regular basis and that person should vote yes. The poll does not ask if you use it on all tivos regularly. Even if someone uses it on 1 of 5 tivos on saturdays, they use standby on a regular basis.

I was only saying that the link you posted in the other thread has probably directed the bulk of the people who have answered the poll, to the poll. Bulk isn't even an accurate description for the number of people who have placed their answers to this poll (so far), and it already seems to have stagnated. Time will tell.

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Only 23 people have even looked at that thread and there is no way of knowing why they looked at it or what side of the "is standby useful" question they side with, so you can not possible claim that that link there produces any kind of bias. There is nothing scientific about the poll (or any poll here on tcf) and any results have virtually no meaning.

nooneuknow, I'm conducting a poll here, please stop pooping on it. If you want to know different information, by all means, go ahead and start your own poll.

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Hey, I was just offering perspective on something YOU said, just like dianebrat did.

I'm not breaking any rules, so you don't get to tell me what to do.

You've tried before, but you can't control free speech. Especially when it's a relevant response to something YOU posted.

As expected, you didn't tell dianebrat to shut up, or however you want to word it, when she quoted and replied to the same thing. Yet, you don't like what I said, and think you have some power to stop me from commenting on the same thing, which you posted.

Again, the poll was MY idea. So, I'll comment all I like! (as long as it is relevant to standby, the poll, and anything else you, or anybody else, posts).

As I've said already, I'll give THIS poll, time to run it's course, and then run my own. You know exactly what would happen if I started my own when this one has already started, and is still early in getting replies.

Sorry, I had forgotten about the ignore list option.
The problem has been taken care of.

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Awesome. The feeling is completely mutual. Now you won't see this, or my other posts, and I don't have to deal with you always telling me to shut up, go away, or otherwise tell me what to do, or not do. Excellent!

Was it really necessary for you to resurrect a thread that had been dead for more than a year with this post?

Plus nobody gives a rodent's posterior that it was you who first suggested that someone else set up a poll on the subject of standby mode. If you felt so strongly about, why didn't you set it up yourself?

Was it really necessary for you to resurrect a thread that had been dead for more than a year with this post?

Plus nobody gives a rodent's posterior that it was you who first suggested that someone else set up a poll on the subject of standby mode. If you felt so strongly about, why didn't you set it up yourself?

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It's kind of baffling about his claim that it was his idea when what he did was tell someone else to do it and that person hasn't given any indication that she gives a rodent's posterior about me doing it.

Was it really necessary for you to resurrect a thread that had been dead for more than a year with<snip>?

Plus nobody gives a rodent's posterior that it was you who first suggested that someone else set up a poll on the subject of standby mode. If you felt so strongly about, why didn't you set it up yourself?

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I deleted that post. Sorry, I'm still thinking it's 2012 every now and then, or just missed that somehow. I was looking for RECENT threads that had "standby" in the title, and made a mistake. Geez... How do you think I even found the second poll?

I don't yet know how to set up a poll, wanted to do it right, and was sleep deprived at the time I suggested it to dianebrat. I woke up to find scandia101 did it. I don't have a time machine or a DeLorean, so that's how it came to be. If you're going to b***h at somebody about this, why not the one who set up concurrently running polls...

I wanted to set up a better poll, but I felt running one concurrently was a bad idea, no matter how I looked at it. So, what happens? sacandia101 does a concurrent poll, and doesn't even link the two... I posted I was going to wait, and not do a concurrent poll until the existing one ran it's course and time passed. Kinda smells like something done out of spite.

It's kind of baffling about his claim that it was his idea when what he did was tell someone else to do it and that person hasn't given any indication that she gives a rodent's posterior about me doing it.

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I indeed do not give a rodents behind on the inner details of standby mode what I know is that it's a useful but niche feature and the majority of users don't need/want/care about it, yet some believe it's vital to Tivo usage and intend to beat the topic until it's turned in to glue.