ooh this is icy cold! for me at least. just ran a comparison on the Telegraph impartial comparison tool & vs my current tariff, yours would be £440/ year more expensive - based on my current spend £600 x2 gas & elec
and whilst my tariff is cheap, on the comparison results there are 45 fixed deal results cheaper than yours by more than £100
maybe you are still in time to cancel without penalty?https://www.energyhelpline.com/telegraphmoney

Do you think that the same results will pop up for everyone in the U.K. as they do for you?
Voting cold on a freebie because it doesn't suit you, and bombarding the thread, really. If it's not for you, just go on your merry way!

and you can go on merrily paying over the top
this site is about saving money - not going for rubbish tariffs, matey

What makes you think I am overpaying?
I don't live in an area that SSE have provision rights for, so they could well be the cheapest option for me. They're not, it's OVO Energy, who I use, but changes in every postcode based on your consumption.
So wind your neck in, mind your own business and let the people can benefit from the OP's post do so, until you have actual relevant information to everyone this could affect.
Have a nice day.

there's not a region in the UK where customers can't find fixed deals a lot more than £100 cheaper than the OP's

however - I do see a use for it:

1. you're moving house - if you time it right you could get the deal & the £100 vouchers then leave the new owners saddled with this pea-poor tariff

2. you're a serial switcher - you get this deal & the vouchers then switch to one of the countless better deals straight away - if you time this for non-winter months (ie no central heating) then the over-priced bills you pay with SSE are not a major consideration (maybe 2 months worth?)

2 weeks, 5 days ago

luvsadealdealdeal

JusticeForThe96

luvsadealdealdeal

ooh this is icy cold! for me at least. just ran a comparison on the Telegraph impartial comparison tool & vs my current tariff, yours would be £440/ year more expensive - based on my current spend £600 x2 gas & elec
and whilst my tariff is cheap, on the comparison results there are 45 fixed deal results cheaper than yours by more than £100
maybe you are still in time to cancel without penalty?https://www.energyhelpline.com/telegraphmoney

Do you think that the same results will pop up for everyone in the U.K. as they do for you?
Voting cold on a freebie because it doesn't suit you, and bombarding the thread, really. If it's not for you, just go on your merry way!

and you can go on merrily paying over the top
this site is about saving money - not going for rubbish tariffs, matey

What makes you think I am overpaying?

I don't live in an area that SSE have provision rights for, so they could well be the cheapest option for me. They're not, it's OVO Energy, who I use, but changes in every postcode based on your consumption.

So wind your neck in, mind your own business and let the people can benefit from the OP's post do so, until you have actual relevant information to everyone this could affect.

I have noticed that 2GHZ band is not great on this router compared to 5Ghz.. Giving me now full 71mb download on wireless.

so avoid using 2Ghz band ... and yes getting full speeds even after 5pm..

3 weeks, 5 days ago

Waiting for Black Friday ... were some awesome deals on at the time last year.
If the trend continues, I'd try to ensure I take out a 12 month deal every Black Friday.

3 weeks, 5 days ago

We've been with them for 5 months now, we're happy. Torrenting and uploading aren't great.

But streaming tv online and browsing the internet aren't a problem. Disappointedly, the area only gets 18mb at its fastest, so we got get the benefits of the ultra fast internet but we are running 3 TVs that are all streaming at the same
time and have no issues - so no complaints here.

3 weeks, 6 days ago

GazmoX

Sorry, but we don’t currently offer broadband or phone services at this property.

GazmoX

Sorry, but we don’t currently offer broadband or phone services at this property.

I also got this phoned them up its likely you are with talk talk / sky or some one else that has took your line for their own network I have the misfortune to be with talk talk ) you can get it but its a llu un-bundle fee of 36 £ something

4 weeks, 10 hours ago

i got £131.30 cashback paid but had 6 weeks of hell, you tube buffering, downloads on my Sky box taking hours when they should take a few minutes, glad i finally left

Quidco is now back down to 110 and MasterCard is 125. But noticed the line rental is down to 28.49.
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cheers for the reply.. didnt realise that wife could go on as a new customer (doesnt the same surname pose problems?).. now its working out to be 17/pm (without the simo) which is still reasonable i guess but not quite as sweet as 13/pm :)

thinking of waiting till the black friday and see if there's anything special from BT then..

3 weeks, 5 days ago

urgurinder

delahmed

urgurinder

I cancelled by BT and service ends next week. Wife applied as a new customer and BT resupply us a day after I get disconnected. So getting the following
* BT Infinity 1 (£11 pm)
* New telephone number + free weekend calls (I also want the socket moved so this saves me money doing it privately). (£19pm but I paid £205 upfront line rental saver)
* BT Vision with free BT Sports package (£10 upfront cost - £0pm)
* SIMO unlimited mins / texts and 500MB 4G data (£5pm)
Wife went through Quidco so we get the following things back (hopefully)
* Quidco £160
* BT Rewards Mastercard £150 (Claim 2-3 weeks after BT Infinity 1 activation)
* BT Rewards iTunes £20 (Claim 2-3 weeks after BT SIMO activation)
p.s I really liked my last 12 months with BT. No traffic shaping. Always max speed. Wife n kids have not uttered the dreaded word "buffering" in the last year.

Assuming it's a standard 12 month deal and you having to pay £30 termination fee and nothing else to get a new phone number it's working out roughly £8/month... Cracking deal, well done.....
Is the offer still on or did you have to chat with them for the bt sport offer + mobile bit? Cheers

Quidco is now back down to 110 and MasterCard is 125. But noticed the line rental is down to 28.49.

Edited By: delahmed on Nov 13, 2016 11:46

3 weeks, 5 days ago

delahmed

urgurinder

I cancelled by BT and service ends next week. Wife applied as a new customer and BT resupply us a day after I get disconnected. So getting the following
* BT Infinity 1 (£11 pm)
* New telephone number + free weekend calls (I also want the socket moved so this saves me money doing it privately). (£19pm but I paid £205 upfront line rental saver)
* BT Vision with free BT Sports package (£10 upfront cost - £0pm)
* SIMO unlimited mins / texts and 500MB 4G data (£5pm)

p.s I really liked my last 12 months with BT. No traffic shaping. Always max speed. Wife n kids have not uttered the dreaded word "buffering" in the last year.

Assuming it's a standard 12 month deal and you having to pay £30 termination fee and nothing else to get a new phone number it's working out roughly £8/month... Cracking deal, well done.....
Is the offer still on or did you have to chat with them for the bt sport offer + mobile bit? Cheers

1 month, 19 hours ago

urgurinder

delahmed

Danegerous

I used this deal to barter better deal with my current provider BT as I was at the end of my contract. Best they could give me BT infinity 1 £10, unlimited calls £8.50 free caller display again and BT Sport. They said this was a managers special. Line rental £205 for the year

I have 1 month left on my BT Infinity 1 deal. Paying £12.10 a month for 52Mbps. Called retentions and best i got was £7 BT inifinty 1 or £15 infinity 2. Told him about the SSE deal and he said he couldn't beat it and was interested himself.... lol. He also mentioned that if I was simply to cancel the 12 months contract after 12 months was up, I would have to pay a £31 exit fee, he recommended my new fibre supplier to take over the line to save that money as they usually pay it (and probably charge me for it as a one off up front fee). I loved BT Infinity no traffic shaping. Always get max speeds all day every day on both browsing, streaming and torrents as well as steam downloads. If anyone is in a similar position, do reply and let me know what you are doing.

In the same boat as yours.. Most likely Ditching BT infinity 1 to go back to the standard copper plusnet internet.. In my experience a more reliable internet connection (tad slower but no noticeable change watching YouTube or Netflix) than the bt's infinity 1 which can be intermittent at different time of the days although faster when it does work...
I was advised to her the contract taken over by a new supplier to avoid paying the termination charge so that's what I'll do

I cancelled by BT and service ends next week. Wife applied as a new customer and BT resupply us a day after I get disconnected. So getting the following
* BT Infinity 1 (£11 pm)
* New telephone number + free weekend calls (I also want the socket moved so this saves me money doing it privately). (£19pm but I paid £205 upfront line rental saver)
* BT Vision with free BT Sports package (£10 upfront cost - £0pm)
* SIMO unlimited mins / texts and 500MB 4G data (£5pm)

p.s I really liked my last 12 months with BT. No traffic shaping. Always max speed. Wife n kids have not uttered the dreaded word "buffering" in the last year.

1 month, 1 day ago

delahmed

Danegerous

I used this deal to barter better deal with my current provider BT as I was at the end of my contract. Best they could give me BT infinity 1 £10, unlimited calls £8.50 free caller display again and BT Sport. They said this was a managers special. Line rental £205 for the year

I have 1 month left on my BT Infinity 1 deal. Paying £12.10 a month for 52Mbps. Called retentions and best i got was £7 BT inifinty 1 or £15 infinity 2. Told him about the SSE deal and he said he couldnt beat it and was interested himself.... lol. He also mentioned that if I was simply to cancel the 12 months contract after 12 months was up, I would have to pay a £31 exit fee, he recommended my new fibre supplier to take over the line to save that money as they usually pay it (and probably charge me for it as a one off up front fee). I loved BT Infinity no traffic shaping. Always get max speeds all day every day on both browsing, streaming and torrents as well as steam downloads. If anyone is in a similar position, do reply and let me know what you are doing.

In the same boat as yours.. Most likely Ditching BT infinity 1 to go back to the standard copper plusnet internet.. In my experience a more reliable internet connection (tad slower but no noticeable change watching YouTube or Netflix) than the bt's infinity 1 which can be intermittent at different time of the days although faster when it does work...
I was advised to her the contract taken over by a new supplier to avoid paying the termination charge so that's what I'll do

Contacted them today and been told that my area doesn't have fibre optic line :/ so they offer my standard 17mbps plan with £29 which is more expensive than fibre optic plus 23 days for the installation

1 month, 2 weeks ago

Kill8ill

Macdory

My TalkTalk deal comes to an end next month - who would you recommend moving to for Fiber?

Same with me. BT offer is ending tonight. We'll see what they coming up next with.

You could do the BT deal today and just delay installation until after your contract ended? The BT deal is very good - especially through Topcashback!

1 month, 2 weeks ago

Finally managed to leave this contract penalty free. Moved from EE to SSE and the speed dropped overnight. Was paying for 75mbps but got as low as 4mbps with the majority of the time under the minimum guaranteed speed of 50mbps. I would estimate I made close to 20 phone calls, 30 or so emails. Finally took it to Ombudsman and they've found in my favour. SSE staff are friendly and appear helpful, but they never solved my problem with speed. I definitely wouldn't recommend.

Oh, and it made me laugh when I tried to cancel and they said the cancellation fee was higher than the remainder of my contract!!

1 month, 3 weeks ago

Kill8ill

Macdory

My TalkTalk deal comes to an end next month - who would you recommend moving to for Fiber?

Same with me. BT offer is ending tonight. We'll see what they coming up next with.

Same here, TalkTalk contract ended yesterday and the best they could offer me with their new packages was a 40% hike on what I was paying before. No thanks!

1 month, 3 weeks ago

Kill8ill

Macdory

My TalkTalk deal comes to an end next month - who would you recommend moving to for Fiber?

Same with me. BT offer is ending tonight. We'll see what they coming up next with.

Worth waiting till the end of October, under new ofcom rules, ISPs have to provide a no line rental option for Fibre, as Vodafone have started to do so, and now Talktalk too. Should mean clearer prices.

Independents like Entanet are no better of late, it seems sites like Apple and Microsoft get heavily throttled to a few kbps during the day, to push people using it for business purposes onto a Biz contract. Its causing Windows 10 Updates to fail, which is annoying as its left in the update log. Especially bad on the day after Microsoft's Patch Tuesday, Entanet don't seem to have the daytime capacity to cope anymore. Sad, as they used to be excellent.

I did sign up for SSE, but cancelled in the cooling off (when they had the £126-£136 cashback), decided better the devil I know. Glad I didn't sign up now, reading the latest feedback, Entanet can be annoying but mostly OK outside Biz hours.

Assume the cashback has disappeared because SSE were fiddling it. It didn't track for me, I've a pretty much 100% success with TCB other than that SSE transaction.

Edited By: tightar5e on Oct 05, 2016 15:27: .

2 months, 4 days ago

Newbold

hugh1988

Newbold

hugh1988

dtlewis28

Anon32

Less than 1mb/sec thats disgusting! Anyone else have these issues or just a certain amount of people?

yes i have had a visit, let them come and it will prove nothing wrong then u can leave , bt will plug some things in and do some tests to check the line

Thanks - better agree to it then. Presumably it won't take more than 15 minutes?

4 months, 4 days ago

yes i have had a visit, let them come and it will prove nothing wrong then u can leave , bt will plug some things in and do some tests to check the line

4 months, 4 days ago

Like many in here I'm struggling to get a reasonable speed with SSE in the evenings.

I know - and they must know - that the reason is simply inadequate capacity. I had no problem at all until I switched to SSE, and that's the only thing that's changed.

Despite that, they're insisting on having an engineer visit, which from my point of view is just a waste of time. Has anyone else had a visit, and does it achieve anything?

What do they need access to, what do they do, and is there a possible benefit to me out of what will effectively be a free visit? The BT connection hasn't been changed for a few years now but there's a double outlet socket marked ADSL v1.0, which is probably still current for fibre. Or is it?

4 months, 2 weeks ago

Stabiloman

I'm with Sky & my phone number not recognised on SSE website so had to phone them up. Chap tells me my BT line with Sky is not a 'proper' BT line (that's why its not recognised) and so I cannot get any cashback with this offer. Sounds like BS to me - Is that how SSE avoid paying cashback?

It's because when Sky sort out your broadband they use the cables in the ground to your house (BT's cabling), BUT, they use their own routers inside the green cabinets at the end of the street so you technically don't have a route back to BT.
SSE rent the line off BT so a guy needs to come out and move the cabling back to the BT router inside the green box. If you are already with BT (or another company who rent off them) then the line test will go through fine and you can get the cashback.

Just ordered, excellent. Seems well over £200 in most places including amazon, just checked camelcamel , not showing as ever as low as £95 on amazon? Looks a cracker though may need a nightclass to get to grips with.lol.

8 months, 3 days ago

RueFondary

seems they're all gone... I wonder if someone bought a lot of them in one go, ;-)

It seems it is back in stock.

8 months, 4 days ago

seems they're all gone... I wonder if someone bought a lot of them in one go, ;-)

Heat added. Went for the Panasonic ES-LV95 for £99 - £300 plus most places

8 months, 1 week ago

Does this work corded. In other words plugged in at mains?

8 months, 1 week ago

DADSCAB

LOUGHBORO GUY

Does this razor give a shave as close as a wet shave with a Gillette fusion ??

Last time I had a wet shave (10 years ago at least) I used a Bic

Bic 2 sensitive disposables are mostly my razor of choice for a wet shave, i rate them highly........ I do the whole DE traditional malarky as well occasionally, but only when i can bothered with the time it takes.
And of course i use the excellent Panny leccy shaver at other times..... but it only shaves well for me if i have only one days stubble.

8 months, 1 week ago

LOUGHBORO GUY

Let's face it pardon the pun no electric razor is as close as a blade but quicker and no farting about with gel etc but do the foils only last a couple of years so I've read ??

I couldn't agree with you more, but if I had a wet shave every day I'd get a nasty shaving rash. I'd have to let it grow for 4 or 5 days to avoid the rash, so for me this is the next best thing.

edit: my legal team advise that I need to apply copyright to the above as it will get used to death on these forums :D

Edited By: spannerzone on Mar 16, 2016 18:48

8 months, 3 weeks ago

Bought the 50 for myself last week when I was looking for a deal on a 40 for my mum and ordered this earlier after spotting the price drop on Amazon - was about to post the deal but beaten to it :-)

At £285 it's probably a slightly better deal than £350 for the bigger one!

8 months, 3 weeks ago

Bought this for my parents,their tv has dead pixels on their Samsung.
Samsung was only 3 years old when a "blackening" started to appear on the screen.
Thought this would be a good deal,as at least the 5 year guarantee gives peace of mind that if the same kind of thing happened,it would be rectified one way or another.

Also found the AV forums settings too white, just upped the colour and it's pretty good now.

8 months, 2 weeks ago

Also used AV forums setting but think the picture is too light (white) anyone find same just not sharp

8 months, 2 weeks ago

Anyone found decent sound settings ?

8 months, 2 weeks ago

Gutted , switched it on and screen full of green lines, picture does not fill the entire screen, will have to use panasonic warranty as i used a courier company to ship it to ireland and i have no way of sending it back to SSE,

Edited By: asdff123 on Mar 21, 2016 19:31

8 months, 2 weeks ago

Got my warranty email today after putting in for it yesterday. Used email as proof of purchase and the barcode from the box

You will need that 5 year warranty I have had nothing but trouble with Panasonic washing machines they look great but mine has been replaced and repaired more times than I can remember. The independent shop which Has few in the midlands where I got mine from stopped selling them because of people having problems with them. Mine is on its way out again the pump makes loads of noise when draining but it's out of warranty now. I used to fix white goods a long time ago and the parts are very pricey for these and the fix is normally a lot harder than other machines.

Which model do you have?

We know the chinese manufactured models have poor reliability but does this extend to the Turkish Vestel models. A large number of washing machines on the market are Vestel and like the other Turkish manufacturer Beko seem to have good reliability.

If you look here at Australia who because of location get the Chinese models mainly their reputation is very poor.

You will need that 5 year warranty I have had nothing but trouble with Panasonic washing machines they look great but mine has been replaced and repaired more times than I can remember. The independent shop which Has few in the midlands where I got mine from stopped selling them because of people having problems with them. Mine is on its way out again the pump makes loads of noise when draining but it's out of warranty now. I used to fix white goods a long time ago and the parts are very pricey for these and the fix is normally a lot harder than other machines.

10 months, 2 weeks ago

Panasonic service is awful. Avoid avoid avoid!

10 months, 2 weeks ago

kevinyork

OrribleHarry

tapi

OrribleHarry

Dragon32

Looks a good price as I suspect it's a heat pumped one and has a great warranty.

​I thought "heat pump" was drier technology?

It is

​Thought so! was gutted as I need a deal on a drier but all I seem to see is washing machines.
Hotpoint have decided my drier is a fire hazard and said I will get a free repair........IN JULY!
Never again will I buy hotpoint

Mine was also one of the affected dryers. They sent me an email last week advising the repair wouldnt be till May or I could buy a new model for £99 (RRP £299). That model didnt fit and the door opened the wrong way so I spoke to them and got a different model free of charge. It was delivered yesterday and they took the faulty one away. All in all I would say given mine was a 7 yr old machine they did pretty well. Why not call them and ask for a free replacement. They are swapping over 80,000 machines.

​What number did you call?

10 months, 2 weeks ago

COUPONKEV

Some would never again buy Panasonic;http://www.amazon.co.uk/Panasonic-NA148VB6WGB-1400rpm-Washing-Machine/dp/B00UXC4WP4
My only personal experience is their AV equipment, none of which lasted more than 3 years.
Be wary of terrible Customer Service from Pansonic when things go wrong, 24 Sept. 2015
By Living the dream
This review is from: Panasonic NA148VB6WGB 1400rpm Washing Machine 8kg Load Class A+++ (Misc.)
I have had a Panasonic washing machine for just over 2 years, and was initially happy with it. Unfortunately I have now been without a washing machine for two months due to the terrible service from Panasonic. They have sent the wrong parts a total of 4 times to their designated repair centre! The only way I am able to contact them is through emails, to which they will respond by email. There is no opportunity to speak to anyone regarding the issues and I feel very frustrated with the overall lack of service. Purchasing a Panasonic Washing Machine could be a very expensive mistake if anything does go wrong... I will never purchase a Panasonic item again after this experience and urge anyone to read all the negative reviews on Panasonic Items which will show the lack of customer service for Panasonic.

Also worth pointing out this person has posted this negative review on just about all Panasonic washing machines on Amazon completely ruining the purpose of the review so its unclear which model they actually purchased.

I've had a Panasonic electric shaver for over 15 years and it's still going. The ES4025. The only reason I am looking for a new shaver is one metal piece of the foil has gone. When you think how quickly disposable razors last (weeks) and these electric foils are still effective for years it is amazing. Battery is still OK too. Not as it was when new but that's to be expected.
Bottom line with my Panasonic is that it will last long enough that you'll replace the razor before any parts.

Unfortunately using a brand name as your sole criterion for prediction of reliability means very little except that you're playing into the hands of marketing. And a sample of one is statistically insignificant too. Technology has changed out of all recognition in 15 years so the current models might be far worse and/or their competitors might be far better.

All true. Still, the man's had the same Panny shaver for FIFTEEN YEARS! That's value!

I simply don't believe that would be possible without replacing the blades and foil several times.

11 months, 5 days ago

pibpob

dearley1231

I've had a Panasonic electric shaver for over 15 years and it's still going. The ES4025. The only reason I am looking for a new shaver is one metal piece of the foil has gone. When you think how quickly disposable razors last (weeks) and these electric foils are still effective for years it is amazing. Battery is still OK too. Not as it was when new but that's to be expected.
Bottom line with my Panasonic is that it will last long enough that you'll replace the razor before any parts.

Unfortunately using a brand name as your sole criterion for prediction of reliability means very little except that you're playing into the hands of marketing. And a sample of one is statistically insignificant too. Technology has changed out of all recognition in 15 years so the current models might be far worse and/or their competitors might be far better.

All true. Still, the man's had the same Panny shaver for FIFTEEN YEARS! That's value!

11 months, 2 weeks ago

dearley1231

I've had a Panasonic electric shaver for over 15 years and it's still going. The ES4025. The only reason I am looking for a new shaver is one metal piece of the foil has gone. When you think how quickly disposable razors last (weeks) and these electric foils are still effective for years it is amazing. Battery is still OK too. Not as it was when new but that's to be expected.
Bottom line with my Panasonic is that it will last long enough that you'll replace the razor before any parts.

Unfortunately using a brand name as your sole criterion for prediction of reliability means very little except that you're playing into the hands of marketing. And a sample of one is statistically insignificant too. Technology has changed out of all recognition in 15 years so the current models might be far worse and/or their competitors might be far better.

11 months, 2 weeks ago

I've had a Panasonic electric shaver for over 15 years and it's still going. The ES4025. The only reason I am looking for a new shaver is one metal piece of the foil has gone. When you think how quickly disposable razors last (weeks) and these electric foils are still effective for years it is amazing. Battery is still OK too. Not as it was when new but that's to be expected.

Bottom line with my Panasonic is that it will last long enough that you'll replace the razor before any parts.

Owners of large air-vented dryers and condensing dryers under the Hotpoint, Indesit and Creda brands, bought between April 2004 and October 2015, may need to have them fixed. Over 11 years before they realised there was a problem, and people complain about BEKO's recall policy!

1 year, 2 weeks ago

checkley73

haggisheid

Many votes against this brand, In that case, what brands to avoid with condenser dryers and what are better? but reflecting a similar price.

for a cheap dryer I would go Indesit personally, made in Yate in Bristol. Whilst not the latest in tech they are generally reliable and so basic you can get repaired cheaply if need be.

If you have a little more then the Bosch WTE84106GB @ £299 is a good buy.

Many votes against this brand, In that case, what brands to avoid with condenser dryers and what are better? but reflecting a similar price.

for a cheap dryer I would go Indesit personally, made in Yate in Bristol. Whilst not the latest in tech they are generally reliable and so basic you can get repaired cheaply if need be.

If you have a little more then the Bosch WTE84106GB @ £299 is a good buy.

Edited By: checkley73 on Nov 20, 2015 14:47

1 year, 2 weeks ago

Many votes against this brand, In that case, what brands to avoid with condenser dryers and what are better? but reflecting a similar price.

1 year, 2 weeks ago

I bought candy dryer 4 months ago from argos, I found I wasted my time and money I have replace it with before last 7 weeks every ingilterede works very well! much better than argos suggested candy dryer!

Years off is it? Nov 18th is looking like you'll probably be eating our words...

So. The 18th has been and gone. Sky announce Sky Q. Which is UHD compatible. And will available "sometime" in 2016. No mention of price. Not much focus on 4k. In fact, it won' have ANY 4k content on launch. That will come "later" in 2016. And no doubt they'll charge plenty for it when then do introduce 4k.
Are you the same guy that told me (in the spring) I'd be eating my words when 4k bluray launched this summer? Haven't seen much fanfare about that one either. (Commercial launch for that is into 2016 now as well)
Thus far, no words have been eaten. In fact, I'm not even hungry.
It's not mainstream. It's nowhere close to mainstream. It won't be for a LONG time yet. If you want to keep telling yourself it is, feel free. Not my problem if you don't understand the definition of the word.
When it finally is (my guess is 3+ years yet), then Panasonic 4k OLED will probably have advanced even further (already better than all the LG offerings apparently) and come down in price ..... and thats when I'll buy one.
(PS .... you're miles out with your guess about "large swathes" of the UK having enough bandwidth to stream 4k. Maybe 20% if you're lucky.)

Yeah didn't announce much, only that Entertainment, Movies and Sports will be arriving in 4k later in 2016, that's still considerably closer than you claimed isn't it!
Also no I wasn't the guy who claimed 4k Blu Ray would be here by summer, I did however tell you the standards has been set last summer when you claimed they hadn't, the original shipping date was supposed to have been this month but is looking like January now for the 1st model which will be from Samsung.
Also don't get your hopes up of Panasonic doing much in OLED without LG, 1, they use LG OLED panels in their sets currently and 2, LG are so far ahead of the pack in OLED manufacturing that it's unlikely anyone else will overtake them for quite sometime.
Only 20% have the needed broadband speed for 4khttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/broadband/11138376/Average-UK-broadband-speeds-up-as-digital-divide-narrows.html
Aye OK fella.....

LG make the panel. Panasonic produce the controller board and firmware. Thats a big chunk of difference. The guy who calibrated my plasma had done 4 LG OLED's at that point. He mentioned if they were his, two of them would have got sent back as the picture wasn't consistent enough. (This guy - http://www.convergent-av.co.uk/about.html - I'l take his view over anyone on this board ...)

Will give you a slightly more accurate picture. Of the major providers, Virgin way above the rest (pushing the average up). No-one else clears 20Mbps. BT only average 18Mbps because of those on fibre. PlusNet are sort of close. The rest? Nope. Well, maybe if you live right next door to the exchange. A few of the specialist ones also clear 20Mbps. But not all of those are available at consumer level and I have no idea how they're priced.

Plus, you have to factor in the strain it will put on ISP infrastructure if everyone capable of streaming 4k suddenly actually started doing it. That would chew into bandwidth in a big way and would push averages down. In short - we're not currently in a position where they could cope. (look at the time of day split on page 3 of that report - it already drops in peak time)

(Note - I work in IT, specifically doing a lot of network, load and performance testing. Trust me. UK ISP infrastructure would not cope ...)

1 year, 2 weeks ago

sancheez

brookysm

Years off is it? Nov 18th is looking like you'll probably be eating our words...

So. The 18th has been and gone. Sky announce Sky Q. Which is UHD compatible. And will available "sometime" in 2016. No mention of price. Not much focus on 4k. In fact, it won' have ANY 4k content on launch. That will come "later" in 2016. And no doubt they'll charge plenty for it when then do introduce 4k.
Are you the same guy that told me (in the spring) I'd be eating my words when 4k bluray launched this summer? Haven't seen much fanfare about that one either. (Commercial launch for that is into 2016 now as well)
Thus far, no words have been eaten. In fact, I'm not even hungry.
It's not mainstream. It's nowhere close to mainstream. It won't be for a LONG time yet. If you want to keep telling yourself it is, feel free. Not my problem if you don't understand the definition of the word.
When it finally is (my guess is 3+ years yet), then Panasonic 4k OLED will probably have advanced even further (already better than all the LG offerings apparently) and come down in price ..... and thats when I'll buy one.
(PS .... you're miles out with your guess about "large swathes" of the UK having enough bandwidth to stream 4k. Maybe 20% if you're lucky.)

Yeah didn't announce much, only that Entertainment, Movies and Sports will be arriving in 4k later in 2016, that's still considerably closer than you claimed isn't it!

Also no I wasn't the guy who claimed 4k Blu Ray would be here by summer, I did however tell you the standards has been set last summer when you claimed they hadn't, the original shipping date was supposed to have been this month but is looking like January now for the 1st model which will be from Samsung.

Also don't get your hopes up of Panasonic doing much in OLED without LG, 1, they use LG OLED panels in their sets currently and 2, LG are so far ahead of the pack in OLED manufacturing that it's unlikely anyone else will overtake them for quite sometime.

Years off is it? Nov 18th is looking like you'll probably be eating our words...

So. The 18th has been and gone. Sky announce Sky Q. Which is UHD compatible. And will available "sometime" in 2016. No mention of price. Not much focus on 4k. In fact, it won' have ANY 4k content on launch. That will come "later" in 2016. And no doubt they'll charge plenty for it when then do introduce 4k.

Are you the same guy that told me (in the spring) I'd be eating my words when 4k bluray launched this summer? Haven't seen much fanfare about that one either. (Commercial launch for that is into 2016 now as well)

Thus far, no words have been eaten. In fact, I'm not even hungry.

It's not mainstream. It's nowhere close to mainstream. It won't be for a LONG time yet. If you want to keep telling yourself it is, feel free. Not my problem if you don't understand the definition of the word.

When it finally is (my guess is 3+ years yet), then Panasonic 4k OLED will probably have advanced even further (already better than all the LG offerings apparently) and come down in price ..... and thats when I'll buy one.

(PS .... you're miles out with your guess about "large swathes" of the UK having enough bandwidth to stream 4k. Maybe 20% if you're lucky.)

1 year, 3 weeks ago

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cicobuff

brookysm

I see buffy has been crying to the mods again and had my post removed! Ignore what the bloke (happy now mods) says he hasn't got a 4k TV and has admitted to never seeing one in action - a total Internet 'expert' of the highest order!

Quite simply if you keep attacking individuals in an immature manner you get posts removed or suspended, it's in the terms and conditions of the forum...do you follow? No? Clearly not. Who says I have not seen a 4K tv in action? You have a soundbar and think you know it all about AV Receivers and sound codecs, yet come out with inaccuracies there. Pot..kettle...black. And it is irrelevant to the discussion of current content, streaming problems and distance requirements anyway whether or not a user has, and is worthy of anyones consideration before making a purchase do you not think?

brookysm

Facts are the graph that buffy wheels out when he simply cannot help ignore and has to post misinformation on EVERY SINGLE 4K TV DEAL is totally inaccurate! The distances shown are for how you will see ALL the additional detail from 4k, you will still see MORE DETAIL than a HD picture from further back than they show. Look at it like this, up close looking out of a window it looks pretty real doesn't it, that's because it is real but walk to the other side of the room and does it look any less realistic looking out? There's your answer.

Trying now to change your tune where once you 'rubbished' the whole concept. How hypocritical, although you still do not understand the concept the further back you are the more detail blurs, with tvs there is a pixel density sweet spot, too far away pixels will merge so you do not see the extra detail, exactly the same concept with 720p and 1080p

brookysm

As for Sancheez comment about lack of available material, there's 66 shows and movies available via Amazon Prime in the UK right now, Netflix has 12 shows shown in UHD along with 6 movies/docs/moving wallpaper so together there's heading on for around 500 - 1000 hours of viewing already sat there ready to go, BT are streaming sports in 4k and Sky are revealing their new wonderbox next week that industry experts are touting will support 4k along with multichannel recording and streaming. Also remember higher end TV models do a great job at upscaling HD too!
Ignore the naysayers, 4k is happening, the picture looks fantastic (I've had 4k for over 18 months and bought my parents one last month which they are loving too)- yes you won't be getting 4k for free for sometime yet but how long was HD out before the BBC committed to more than the BBC HD channel which to start with had extremely limited programming - I was a day one Sky HD subscriber too btw.

So what is the point of posting about India as far as the UK goes? (that is great news..well almost) that have poor internet service, at least they are trying with Satellite...although not without picture break up problems causing a quarter of the screen to freeze due to it needing 4 relays. [here]

None of what you say affects anything currently lacking in the UK regarding 4K. Or what either myself or Sancheez have said in this thread....

There is nothing currently on Astra 28E for 4K or currently any boxes to receive, let alone even if there were currently anything from any of our terrestrial providers. BBC cannot even get dolby digital on all their BBC HD content, let alone have any coming soon infrastructure in place for 4K.

None of us are 'naysayers' you have this innate inability to understand that no one here is saying that 4K is not the future, just that currently there are disadvantages in being an early adopter...and just go off on a rant (usually ending up in self suspension) every time anyone has any criticism over its current state.

It is all very good listing the subscription based content currently available (including wallpaper!) but what good is that to those that cannot get the bandwidth for the less than premium bitrate content anyway? Would you like every consumer to just rush out and buy a 4K tv without knowing they may not be able to reap the benefits?

So lets go back to what I said earlier in post #13 which I have had agreement on (one of which you actually have agreed with in your rant, there is a first)....

The current disadvantages of this 4K tv particularly at this size far outway the advantages....

Would make a great high resolution PC Monitor.
'Future' proof (although even in the LCD sector I can see quantum dot becoming mainstream)
Decent upscaling of current 1080P content (subject to the television in questions Video processor)

Get your tape measure out, a 50" is marginal for 4K at just over 6 feet away.

Netflix Ultra HD is 15mbps, BT Ultra HD is 29mbps...the UK is struggling behind other European countries at around 20mbps average, and whilst change is at hand it is still a ways off....not to mention neither Netflix or BT Ultra HD are getting the best out of UHD with the compression, particularly Netflix Ultra HD.

It is improbable that any terrestrial 4K channels being broadcast in the future be via current satellite or aerial means, leading back to the current streaming problem.

True Ultra HD content will arrive in the form of limited 4K Blu Ray in the next few months, both players and media will be expensive.

If you can wait, give it 3-5 years by then either hopefully the true rival to OLED or the lesser LCD 'improvement' with quantum dot technology will be with us at sensible prices, and there will be an infrastructure in place for what really matters...content.

get a room

1 year, 3 weeks ago

brookysm

cicobuff

brookysm

I see buffy has been crying to the mods again and had my post removed! Ignore what the bloke (happy now mods) says he hasn't got a 4k TV and has admitted to never seeing one in action - a total Internet 'expert' of the highest order!

Quite simply if you keep attacking individuals in an immature manner you get posts removed or suspended, it's in the terms and conditions of the forum...do you follow? No? Clearly not. Who says I have not seen a 4K tv in action? You have a soundbar and think you know it all about AV Receivers and sound codecs, yet come out with inaccuracies there. Pot..kettle...black. And it is irrelevant to the discussion of current content, streaming problems and distance requirements anyway whether or not a user has, and is worthy of anyones consideration before making a purchase do you not think?

brookysm

Facts are the graph that buffy wheels out when he simply cannot help ignore and has to post misinformation on EVERY SINGLE 4K TV DEAL is totally inaccurate! The distances shown are for how you will see ALL the additional detail from 4k, you will still see MORE DETAIL than a HD picture from further back than they show. Look at it like this, up close looking out of a window it looks pretty real doesn't it, that's because it is real but walk to the other side of the room and does it look any less realistic looking out? There's your answer.

Trying now to change your tune where once you 'rubbished' the whole concept. How hypocritical, although you still do not understand the concept the further back you are the more detail blurs, with tvs there is a pixel density sweet spot, too far away pixels will merge so you do not see the extra detail, exactly the same concept with 720p and 1080p

brookysm

As for Sancheez comment about lack of available material, there's 66 shows and movies available via Amazon Prime in the UK right now, Netflix has 12 shows shown in UHD along with 6 movies/docs/moving wallpaper so together there's heading on for around 500 - 1000 hours of viewing already sat there ready to go, BT are streaming sports in 4k and Sky are revealing their new wonderbox next week that industry experts are touting will support 4k along with multichannel recording and streaming. Also remember higher end TV models do a great job at upscaling HD too!
Ignore the naysayers, 4k is happening, the picture looks fantastic (I've had 4k for over 18 months and bought my parents one last month which they are loving too)- yes you won't be getting 4k for free for sometime yet but how long was HD out before the BBC committed to more than the BBC HD channel which to start with had extremely limited programming - I was a day one Sky HD subscriber too btw.

So what is the point of posting about India as far as the UK goes? (that is great news..well almost) that have poor internet service, at least they are trying with Satellite...although not without picture break up problems causing a quarter of the screen to freeze due to it needing 4 relays. [here]
None of what you say affects anything currently lacking in the UK regarding 4K. Or what either myself or Sancheez have said in this thread....
There is nothing currently on Astra 28E for 4K or currently any boxes to receive, let alone even if there were currently anything from any of our terrestrial providers. BBC cannot even get dolby digital on all their BBC HD content, let alone have any coming soon infrastructure in place for 4K.
None of us are 'naysayers' you have this innate inability to understand that no one here is saying that 4K is not the future, just that currently there are disadvantages in being an early adopter...and just go off on a rant (usually ending up in self suspension) every time anyone has any criticism over its current state.
It is all very good listing the subscription based content currently available (including wallpaper!) but what good is that to those that cannot get the bandwidth for the less than premium bitrate content anyway? Would you like every consumer to just rush out and buy a 4K tv without knowing they may not be able to reap the benefits?
So lets go back to what I said earlier in post #13 which I have had agreement on (one of which you actually have agreed with in your rant, there is a first)....
The current disadvantages of this 4K tv particularly at this size far outway the advantages....
Would make a great high resolution PC Monitor.
'Future' proof (although even in the LCD sector I can see quantum dot becoming mainstream)
Decent upscaling of current 1080P content (subject to the television in questions Video processor)
Get your tape measure out, a 50" is marginal for 4K at just over 6 feet away.
Netflix Ultra HD is 15mbps, BT Ultra HD is 29mbps...the UK is struggling behind other European countries at around 20mbps average, and whilst change is at hand it is still a ways off....not to mention neither Netflix or BT Ultra HD are getting the best out of UHD with the compression, particularly Netflix Ultra HD.
It is improbable that any terrestrial 4K channels being broadcast in the future be via current satellite or aerial means, leading back to the current streaming problem.
True Ultra HD content will arrive in the form of limited 4K Blu Ray in the next few months, both players and media will be expensive.
If you can wait, give it 3-5 years by then either hopefully the true rival to OLED or the lesser LCD 'improvement' with quantum dot technology will be with us at sensible prices, and there will be an infrastructure in place for what really matters...content.

Who's changed their tune about the extra detail in 4k eh? I have always maintained the picture looks superior even from a distance!
As for broadcasting in 4k - November the 18th, stick that in your diary and we'll see what happens eh? Yes I doubt any of it will be free but then again there was only 2 free HD channels iirc when HD launched, one part-time (BBC HD) and the other a 'lifestyle' channel running on a rather naff bitrate!
Also just because I have an expensive soundbase that alone doesn't make me knowledgeable about cinema sound, I've had surround sound on TV's since 1994 fella and gone through several thousand pounds worth of gear since!
Btw if the UK's average is 20mbps then large swarms of the UK can experience 4k albeit compressed. I don't have any issues with Netflix's 4k service, its very impressive for relatively little money especially when shared across the family but what would you know about that eh?....

I know plenty enough to offer the pros and cons which people have thanked me for, of which you oddly criticise. Strange, very strange.

Not convinced from searching the net that this will be any better than mine; from what I read it appears a similar situation to electric toothbrushes, anything more that £20-30 and we are just paying for unnecessary superfluities that do nothing to improve upon the primary purpose.

Edited By: celticprince on Nov 09, 2015 12:06: Update

1 year, 1 month ago

vulcanproject

If anyone sees a good deal for a rotary one instead let me know. My old remington is on it's last erm...spins... and I just prefer the rotary type. I'll keep an eye out too mind and post anything if it's good

There's a decent Argos Value range one on here for under £10 with 4star reviews. Just search for "argos shaver" also you can add 3 year product replacement for around £1.50 . Meaning no matter what your shaver will last you at least 3 years

1 year, 1 month ago

If anyone sees a good deal for a rotary one instead let me know. My old remington is on it's last erm...spins... and I just prefer the rotary type. I'll keep an eye out too mind and post anything if it's good