yeah how high do you think they should be be? votes still remember the KState butt whoopin

WAY too high. The defense is flat out garbage. They can't stop a HS football team. GT lost to Middle Tenn! BC is horrible and NCState is NOTHING to rave about. Not to mention they got dismantled VS KState_________________Jamison.'s Gallery

Lol at TCU moving up two spots to #13 after beating SMU by 6 points, while Baylor drops 7 spots after losing to a top 10 team by 7 points, on the road, on their homecoming._________________All that is gold does not glitter,
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Lol at TCU moving up two spots to #13 after beating SMU by 6 points, while Baylor drops 7 spots after losing to a top 10 team by 7 points, on the road, on their homecoming.

Was about to say, TCU is hardly a top 25 team, let alone a top 15 team. That'll work itself out, but I swear it seems like people who are voting don't even watch the damn games.

While I pretty much agree with you guys wrt to TCU, unless you lose the AP doesn't really punish you for barely winning, unless teams behind you have a quality win and jump you. Besides, Clemson struggled with BC, OU had a bye, STAN lost, LVILLE struggled with SOMISS, and MSST had a bye.

WRT to Baylor, the AP and coaches are always inconsistent with dropping teams._________________

I don't buy Oklahoma at all. They are completely void of WR and OL stability, and honestly I'd take Klein, Florence, Geno, Ash, Pachall, Doege, and Walsh above Jones. His accuracy is horrible._________________All that is gold does not glitter,
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I don't buy Oklahoma at all. They are completely void of WR and OL stability, and honestly I'd take Klein, Florence, Geno, Ash, Pachall, Doege, and Walsh above Jones. His accuracy is horrible.

I'd put Tech at 4. Probably the most improved team in the conference so far, particularly on defense.

but they've played nobody, only decent offense was iowa state

They never play anybody, yet their defense still gets trained on. They're a far cry from Alabama or LSU defensively, but they're significantly improved from the swiss cheese defense they had last year.