Which is why it is amusing that the modern German Greens think they grew out of Marxism – they did not, Karl Marx did not care about environmental matters. Adolf Hitler on the other hand…..

By the way there is a big difference between being a conservationist and being a Green. A traditional conservationist puts their trust in private property and voluntary cooperation – a Green thinks of the environment as a collective matter (a matter for the Volk).

Germanic racism and environmentalism (in the Green collective sense) go back long before Hitler – he grow out of a movement that went back a century before him, and a racialist and environmentalist movement that influenced nonGermans (such as T. Roosevelt – although some others were a lot worse than him).

Hm. What did said Mongolian provide in the way of incentives for voluntary cooperation, so as to get mutual consent?

Paul, you remind me yet again of my childhood and Life on the Farm. In particular, at one point there were drainage problems that affected the fields of several adjacent farms. The farmers got together to fix things. Don’t remember whether they did all the work themselves or hired some of it out, and it doesn’t matter. The township (even the rural areas are in this or that “township”) and the county weren’t involved at all, I think. Except maybe for permitting the work to be done.

(Traditional) Soil Conservation was considered very important; we learned about it in school, in the standard textbooks, terraced planting on slopes, crop rotation, so forth. And, of course, in 4-H, because some of the kids naturally had crop-raising as their project.

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