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... and to hijack, wouldn't it be cool if we had slayer protection% talismen? we currently have single monster protection%, but that kinda sucks unless you're fighting that specific monster.

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I wuv my orc brute killer/orc brute protection talisman

Protection talismans feel like a dangerous mechanic ... in the wars of attrition that tend to be middle-high melee PvM, it's very easy to tip the scales and turn a creature from dangerous to harmless. To compensate enough to keep them a challenge, the creature would have to become near-instant death to characters without protection. I do think there is more room to grow the mechanic ... but it needs caution.

and to hijack the hijack, I think there needs to be a better way to determine what slayer groups/opposing groups a creature falls under than the tribal wisdom of monster guides.

Protection talismans feel like a dangerous mechanic ... in the wars of attrition that tend to be middle-high melee PvM, it's very easy to tip the scales and turn a creature from dangerous to harmless. To compensate enough to keep them a challenge, the creature would have to become near-instant death to characters without protection. I do think there is more room to grow the mechanic ... but it needs caution.

and to hijack the hijack, I think there needs to be a better way to determine what slayer groups/opposing groups a creature falls under than the tribal wisdom of monster guides.

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True, if protections were to be made useful the percentages would have to be lowered, but the protection would only do any real good for a melee char anyways.

I figured all the animals that have %killer and % protection talismans would fall under one of the new slayer catergory, then i sorted them out by which seemed to be the most logical category. Lost the list, and i never had the patience to test out the entire theory anyway.

That's interesting. Sounds like it's similar to the difference between DI% and EoO/Slayers.

I have a different question - Does orc protection protects you against orc mages, choppers brutes etc? If so, it's like a mini slayer group.

Same question with liches/ancient lich protection.

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"Orc protection" would be against your standard orcs, with names.
Bumhug, and the like.
Love that name...
Orc mages and lords would be separate again. And, the orcs that look like lords, but have names... I've never known what heading they'd fall under... A corner of my brain is trying to say "Orc Captain" but I couldn't be certain.

Same for Liches.
Lich and Lich lord would be different.
The named ancient liches would fall under the heading of "Ancient Lich" if it existed.

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"Orc protection" would be against your standard orcs, with names.
Bumhug, and the like.
Love that name...
Orc mages and lords would be separate again. And, the orcs that look like lords, but have names... I've never known what heading they'd fall under... A corner of my brain is trying to say "Orc Captain" but I couldn't be certain.

Same for Liches.
Lich and Lich lord would be different.
The named ancient liches would fall under the heading of "Ancient Lich" if it existed.

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Thanks!

Crud, was hoping the orc ones would work on all types of orcs just like the slayers. Would be quite useful since there are many different types of orcs in the orc forts/caves.

I have tallies for ancient lich and others with liches, so I can confirm that Ancient Lich killer/protection exists.

Also, any ideas about spells? Do the protection property only help with melee damage or will they reduce spell damage too?

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Been using my Flame Slayer vs the Fire Bunny with great success. Just after a few 100 gave up on their drop. Having to keep my goody-to-shoes karma up is a pain. Cuts into my Oaks time. There should be a black chiv book if you go there.

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I have a tally called an "Ice Slayer". Does this work against all Ice creatures (Ice Fiends, Ice Ele, Ice Snakes, etc.) ?

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It works on the ice fiends for sure. But not against every mob in Ice Dungeon. I can't recall accurately, but it didn't work too well against a white wyrm or AOL. I think that's the reason I used this tally to farm Ice Fiends instead of the WW or AOL.

Protection talismans feel like a dangerous mechanic ... in the wars of attrition that tend to be middle-high melee PvM, it's very easy to tip the scales and turn a creature from dangerous to harmless. To compensate enough to keep them a challenge, the creature would have to become near-instant death to characters without protection. I do think there is more room to grow the mechanic ... but it needs caution.

and to hijack the hijack, I think there needs to be a better way to determine what slayer groups/opposing groups a creature falls under than the tribal wisdom of monster guides.

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And to trump your hijack with my own!!! Does anyone know if a yamadon slayer tali works with the dark yamadon boss from the champ spawn?

Been using my Flame Slayer vs the Fire Bunny with great success. Just after a few 100 gave up on their drop. Having to keep my goody-to-shoes karma up is a pain. Cuts into my Oaks time. There should be a black chiv book if you go there.

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Read this and grabbed my Flame Slayer.. NO go.. Does nothing to effect damage on fire bunnies.

Also, any ideas about spells? Do the protection property only help with melee damage or will they reduce spell damage too?

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Doesn't work with spells, either way around.
Which is kind of mean, tbh

Lich protection only protects you when the old guy's whacking you with his stick.
While that used to be a problem, I found, when fighting liches... I now find their necro spells to be more of a problem

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