What make you come to a conclusion like that.. how can we even begin to fathom what kind of advance tech other lifeforms in space have.

As Arthur C. Clarke said: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic

Mixing extra dimensional entities into the mix is just to strange for me.
Life in space besides us got a better chance.. we have proven that

NO, we have NOT proven that in any way, shape or form or degree.

There has been TONS of propaganda--VERY EFFECTIVE government, oligarchy directed PROPAGANDA in movie after movie and tons of other media content
CAREFULLY CONSTRUCTING THAT "reality" and shoving it down all our throats and into all our brains.

WHILE, IN FACT,

Various factoids about the BEHAVIOR OF THE CRAFT and THE BEHAVIOR OF THE CRITTERS

as Dr Jacques Vallee has documented with many dozens of pages historic records--the behavior of the craft and critters mimic, to copy almost
identically . . . 'craft' and goings and comings of variously labeled critters from a clearly spiritual dimension for many centuries, if not
millennia.

To DENY THAT and believe the PROPAGANDA

IS ludicrous.

Your the reason why the rest of the world laugh of conspiracy sites as ATS.
Jumping from one extreme viewpoint to a even more extreme viewpoint.. to the point where the only thing left is this fantasy of yours and the
ramblings of a mad man, believing in other lifeforms beside yourself is far fetched as it is.. then u come along mixing magical beings from a made up
spiritual world from another dimension.... amen

I don´t but as I said.. we are the proof life exist in the universe, and we have found already over 1000 exoplanets I that tiny part we have been
looking in our short time. I would guess the universe as big or infinite.. it will have all kind of advance forms of life. And some of them will have
technology that will indeed appear as magic to us.

THAT is a bare faced brazen BELIEF--actually, one of the current cardinal doctrines of the Religion of Scientism--without a SHRED of PROVEN anything
to support it beyond the notion that given distant planets may have some minimal set of factors more tolerant of plausible life as we can imagine it.

There's not a shred of proven anything documenting life anywhere.

It MAY BE that there is. But so far, it is FAR FROM PROVEN.

It IS a dogma--a very religious dogma, currently--that such is the case. I think we need to be clear-headed about that.

They would not need transport to get here, they simple twist space time, teleportation. There have even been theories of light ships that are mentally
protected by highly evolved aliens.

Question you have to ask yourself.. as some of these aliens may be billions of years more advance then us.. what kind of tech do you think we have in
a billion years ?

OK. More of the dogma.

It MAY be true. It MAY be horribly wrong. It is currently MERELY A FANTASY

A fantasy fueled by the critters and the globalist oligarchy and MASSIVE PROPAGANDA over many decades beginning mostly with H.G. Wells (an oligarchy
elite) WAR OF THE WORLDS.

Yet rather a few areas of scientific and mathematical study do indeed suggest the existence of higher dimensions. Some of them even suggest there
being an infinite number of universe.

Seems to me its rather arrogant to believe that our reality/universe/dimension is the only one in the same manner that believing we are the only
sentient life present in our universe is also considered arrogant.

I'm not a fan of Vallee, nor am I a fan of the late J. Allen Hynek. I try to delve into the scientific nature of the UFO phenomena, with a speculative
outlook on how an why ET flying saucers tick. I don't deny the spiritual nature of the UFO enigma...though I still deny the existence of
multidimensions in our universe that Vallee and yourself vigorously proposes.

I think they both demonstrated courage lacking with other researchers. How much each have been still guided, ordered by the oligarchy to say exactly
what, remains to be seen.

At least, imho, they opened up the discussion in a way that allows the realities about the spiritual/other dimension to be talked about somewhat
intelligently. I'm thankful for that.

I try to delve into the scientific nature of the UFO phenomena, with a speculative outlook on how an why ET flying saucers tick.

That's certainly a fascinating issue all in itself. There's a lot of claims all over the net. It sounds to me like the rotating toroid body of mercury
or some such . . . likely is part of the explanation.

The cases where craft combine to make one craft; change shape dramatically etc. etc. are troublesome to explain.

And, there are some relatively few cases where the 'craft' really do sound like living entities . . . of some mysterious sort.

I don't deny the spiritual nature of the UFO enigma...though I still deny the existence of multidimensions in our universe that Vallee and yourself
vigorously proposes.

Wellllllllllll, I'm far from a math prof or a physicist . . . however, it is clear to me

that

Angelic forces good and bad pop in and out of our reality from SOME

OTHER

reality . . . and OTHER dimensions is as decent an explanation as any, imho.

Lets put it this way, considering the distances involved regarding movement from one star to another, time dilation factors where FTL travel is
concerned, and the near infinite(Possibly infinite) energy requirements to complete such a journey, my monies on the UFO phenomena being of an extra
dimensional nature.

It may be strange for you but that does not make it non the less plausible.

What makes you think being interdimensional is determined by distance?

Actually i think beings of the extratarestial variaty would be more concerned with distance. As to how extra dimensional beings travel or manifest
themselfs in our dimension I don't have a clue. I imagine power of some exotic form would be required. Maybe they utilises some form of wormholes?
That way distance seems no longer an issue.

I think those explanations, rationalizations are toooo facile. They no longer hold water.

Sure--for whatever percentage, maybe.

However, given the decades involved and the reliability of many of the witnesses in terms of quality observations that lives have depended on . . .
e.g. in military jobs . . . that's just not remotely the Ocham's Razor fitting explanation.

It's much more logical, to me, to take the quality observations at face value . . . and look for quality explanations of what was OBSERVED many many
dozens, if not 100's of times

than it is to rationalize it all away to fit some RoS acolyte's dogmatic comfort zone.

I dont why BO XIAN, possibly because main stream science went in that direction rather than entertain the notion that UFOs/Aliens are from another
dimension closer to home than "They" would like us to believe?

I know one thing for sure, the amount of reported sightings has increased in rather a dramatic manor since the second world war, maybe down to the
fact that we detonated the first atomic devices, alerting them to our presence or indicating our technological level, drawing there attention for
further study.

We do however live in the information age where 99% of people in the developed world has access to mobile devices capable of taking pictures and
recording video, one would imagine better evidence of there presence would be captured and recorded for further study by now.

Did the Nazis not allegedly only have one of these Haunebu type III craft that they supposedly sent to Mars on a one way journey at the end of the
second world war?

Stats say its powered by something called a Thule Tachyonator, i thought Viktor Schauberger implosion vortex engine was responsible for propulsion?

All through the Nazis were leaps and bonds ahead regrading other technologies i dont put much stock in them being able to produce vehicles such as the
Haunebu down to material constraints and other production techniques required.

Nazi bell experiment through(Die Glocke), now that does indeed raise some questions.

a reply to: andy06shake
viktor schauberger device was too esoteric in nature and therefore was ultimately not used. Two propulsion devices were developed one by the vril
society with the help of Dr W O Schumann called the schumann levitator the other device was the Nazi bell.
The Bell was a further development of a device Marconi produced based on the work of Tesla. This device was developed by the Thule society and was
called the Thule Triebwerk nicknamed the bell because it was shaped like a church bell. The Thule Triebwerk produced superior lift to the Schumann
levitator and thus became the power-plant for the larger discs. I understand construction of these devices was moved to south America where there
existed secret Nazi bases.

I believe not only did the Nazis explore our solar system but their technology attracted the attention of extraterrestrials.

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