Yep. These things happen. And always have. So what?Do they have to continue? Can we trim it down a bit?Would you even be wiling to try?

Maybe if everyone there would have been armed...they would have killed those guys. Maybe that reaction would have been excessive... since in the end no one died.

Or maybe, and in my mind more likely, there would have been absolute mayhem and everyone would start pulling out their weapons and there would be no telling who did what... or how many would be left dead in the end.

That's super! Are you posting that in here to as flame bait? Cuz I couldn't care less. As long as you have passed any required laws to buy your weapon...That's all we want... stricter measures to keep every lunatic who wants a weapon from having super easy access to one. I know, I know... that's just sooo far f'n out there.... why would any sane person want such a thing?

You seem to think we have a problem with guns per se... we don't. That's what you guys don't understand... and why your response is "guns don't kill people...people kill people" Exactly! guns aren't the problem... it's the "people" who can have access to them.

I haven't read the latest on the incident this morning. I don't know exactly what happen. From what I read earlier there might have been three individuals shooting. We're they shooting at each other? Were they targeting each other specifically? Meaning, did one or more of them go there for that purpose? Was one trying to prevent the other from harming others? I don't know.

As for having armed citizens, it's not about the number of people being armed its more about having them trained and practiced. One of the big decisions when confronting a bad guy is determining if one can help the situation, not make it worse. Most traing classes stress the teaching of this. I haven't taken it yet so I dont personally know how effective it is. Evidently it is as there are extremely few, I mean rare, that a CCW holder gets in a gun battle.

And, one must have practice with it. It's a must, IMO.

I hope they get to the bottom of this. I'm sure they will.

Dave

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Flame bait? No not really. If this does get politicall, I hope it gets moved over to the Soap box.

I mentioned the Ruger as I have been researching a smaller concealable weapon and was looking at this one specifically. Handguns have been rather hard to find in many shops. Especially ones that seem to be designed job specific. The LC380 is the same size as the popular LC9 which is in 9mm but because of the round, has a snappy recoil. The .380 is a good match for the weight. And because its a single stack, only holding 7 rounds, it is thin making it nicer to conceal.

Some guns are rather easy to find, like glocks which haven't been changed much in 20 years and are totally reliable.

Two other guns I was interested in were the Smith and Wesson M&P Shield which is extremely hard to find and has waiting times I'm months. Also there is the Ruger SR22, which is chambered for the .22 long rifle cartridge. The .22 round gives guns fits as ammo in that cartridge is unreliable in many models of guns. But the SR22 seems to handle them all very well. Also it shoots great and is not expensive. So since .22 ammo is cheaper, fun to shoot.

Me, I want to get into it more.

Dave

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Very much like the Beretta .380 — with which I damned near shot a plain clothes cop a few decades ago.

I'm curious... A laser sight? Self-defense is usually up close and personal, whereas a sighting aid suggests shooting from a distance of 10 yards or more from your target. And the holster, which means CCW, where home defense wouldn't necessarily require a holster.

I mean, it's your business and your 2A right. But your choice of accessories hints at a more aggressive rationale.

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