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The purist approach to adaptation places an unreasonable limitation on creativity and innovation, in my opinion. There have been several movie adaptations of popular Jane Austen novels, for example, and hardly any of them are "pure" transfers from text to screen, line for line, scene for scene. Then, there are more radical interpretations, like the BBC's contemporary update to Sir Arthur Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes, starring Benedict Cumberbatch. It is absolutely faithful to source material? Hell no. But does it work? Hell yes.

The Sherlock series are a reinterpretation of the original books, unlike an anime adaptation of a manga/VN/LN which are meant to tell the same story through a different medium. There is a clear difference between to the two.

But hey, I'm a "purist" and that's how I feel...what can you do?

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But that's a meta-discussion for another day, another thread. For the record, I'm with creb:

Based on what little I've seen in the manga, Eren still strikes me as a generic shounen male lead, hot-headed and impetuous. So, I disagree that Eren is presented more sympathetically in the manga than in the anime. To me, he's generally unlikeable in both mediums.

But he does score points for effort, and for being quite cool on occasion. I'll grant him at least that much.

But that's an opinion you formed using canon material (the manga) and I'm fine with that (I compeltely do not agree with the generic shounen male lead line but whatever). Like I said, I'm just not ok with filler/anime-only scenes helping give the wrong impression of a character to anime only viewers.

The Sherlock series are a reinterpretation of the original books, unlike an anime adaptation of a manga/VN/LN which are meant to tell the same story through a different medium. There is a clear difference between to the two.

Why is that a rule? Kenji Kamiyama completely re-interpreted the first novel of the Moribito series to produce one of the best anime in recent years: Seirei no Moribito. And he did so with the author Nahoko Uehashi's full support. Wandering Son the anime was also substantially different from its manga source material and, despite my initial misgivings about the anime's approach, I have to give Mari Okada credit for re-interpreting the story the way she did.

(And, for that matter, when has there ever been a "faithful" adaptation of Ghost in the Shell from manga to anime? Every anime director of the franchise, from the movies to the Stand Alone Complex TV series, took a different approach in interpreting the source material, and each succeeded in his own way.)

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But hey, I'm a "purist" and that's how I feel...what can you do?

Not much. It's your choice, of course. Just as it's my choice to always encourage different takes on source material. Peter Jackson got away with it for his adaptation of the Lord of the Rings saga. I don't see why other creators can't be given the same slack.

Of course, there's the question of whether they botched it or not (I don't feel it was the case here in Shingeki no Kyojin, and I'm not alone in feeling that way). But, again, that's subjective and not really worth arguing over.

I like how Armin and Mikasa can't tell what Eren was actually thinking. Misaka focusing more on how he's the family part to her, while Armin think he's showing off how awesome he pulled it off. While Eren was actually thinking that he doesn't need Mikasa to babysit him anymore, and that he can fight the Eoten without someone holding his hand.

Listening to both Bertold and Reiners' account on the day their village got attack by the Titans it sent me that dreadful feeling of suspense and restlessness. I felt that I was in that same room like Bertold, and my stomach sunk low the moment he beheld the Titan peering through the window.

That's the type of reaction that reminded me the onslaught from the first two episodes. I give kudos to the staff for making use of the flashbacks to keep the visceral reactions still fresh, and the conversation amongst survivors establishes the boundaries between those who have experienced the horro live in the flesh, and those who don't and just still living in their comfort bubble before yet experiencing the ultimate gruesome trial to survive.

Eren has the guts, but he has too and too much a long way to go. Training for the Gear maneuver was no pushover to him on his first shot than what it sounded and looked at first glance.
Secondly, as long as they do not know more about their enemy, they'll be sent to the battlefield as livestock to be massacred.

Wow, these first 3 episodes have been really good.
Truth be told, I dislike Yū Kobayashi's voice in general (it's grating at times), and I dislike Yūki Kaji's crying (bad flashbacks of Accel World with 'boo hoo hoo, I'm a loser but all the pretty girls love me, boo hoo hoo').

Anyway, with it being 3 episodes in, it sounds like the perfect opportunity to be disappointed with the rest of the show!Without any spoilers, will this show actually follow through with what we've seen (survival/'Attack on Titan', etc) or will it be like SAO where the whole survival aspect ends up being secondary/trivialized, and it's really about the main character building a harem in a survival setting?

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I don't get why people are so hung-up on the relationship between Mikasa and Eren. For one thing, this isn't a romance, though everyone is obviously trying to make it one. For another, they're both traumatized kids who threw themselves into a haphazard military organization in the hope of being able to fight against an overwhelming force.

I hope you are right, because if this was a "typical" shounen show (in this day and age...), then the romance flags are being raised left and right.
eg.
Flag 1: Eren has a sister.
Flag 2: She's actually not blood related!
Flag 3: Mikasa's violence on Eren.
Flag 4: Mikasa force feeding Eren.

I am expecting Sasha flags and the blonde girl flags to be raised soon, as well.
I'd be surprised if none of this happens!

Without any spoilers, will this show actually follow through with what we've seen (survival/'Attack on Titan', etc) or will it be like SAO where the whole survival aspect ends up being secondary/trivialized, and it's really about the main character building a harem in a survival setting?

I hope you are right, because if this was a "typical" shounen show (in this day and age...), then the romance flags are being raised left and right.
eg.
Flag 1: Eren has a sister.
Flag 2: She's actually not blood related!
Flag 3: Mikasa's violence on Eren.
Flag 4: Mikasa force feeding Eren.

I am expecting Sasha flags and the blonde girl flags to be raised soon, as well.
I'd be surprised if none of this happens!

Based on what little I've seen in the manga, Eren still strikes me as a generic shounen male lead, hot-headed and impetuous.

There's more to the "naruto shounen male leads" than that , he somewhat shares that aspect with them (and still, a guy like Naruto is a really bigger troublemaker than Eren, at least Eren doesn't vandalize town property) and he doesn't seem to lack talent (Naruto originally failed to graduate ninja academy or take Rin from Ao no exorcist who really has trouble with his studies)

Not that AoT doesn't like to play with those tropes,this episode was heading down a pretty conventional road with the hero having big ambitions but also lacking talent (he keeps falling down) and he'd have to work extra hard to be on the levels of the others, except he didn't lack talent,it was faulty equipment, that's a huge difference to me.

There's more to the "naruto shounen male leads" than that , he somewhat shares that aspect with them (and still, a guy like Naruto is a really bigger troublemaker than Eren, at least Eren doesn't vandalize town property) and he doesn't seem to lack talent (Naruto originally failed to graduate ninja academy or take Rin from Ao no exorcist who really has trouble with his studies)

Not that AoT doesn't like to play with those tropes,this episode was heading down a pretty conventional road with the hero having big ambitions but also lacking talent (he keeps falling down) and he'd have to work extra hard to be on the levels of the others, except he didn't lack talent,it was faulty equipment, that's a huge difference to me.

As I said, Eren scores points for effort and for being cool at times (such as his refusal to back down at a time when everyone else was quivering in fear). But at most other times, he's a blowhard who is painfully unaware of the cost of what he wishes for. He's not very likeable, either, because of the way he treats Mikasa (but that's something I can well understand; to him, she's an annoying know-it-all who contradicts him or shows him up at every turn).

He's no doubt different from Naruto and I most certainly do not feel that every shounen hero is exactly the same. But Eren definitely descends from the broad template used for most protagonists in this genre.

He'll probably change as the story progresses. At least, I'd hope so. That should be the set-up, in any case: to present a flawed character who becomes stronger as the plot develops. If Eren were perfect to be begin with, there would be little room for progression, no?