John Kissinger [11/02/2015 8:07 AM]
I encountered a #Calvinist some times ago, who claimed GOD predestined him to become #homosexual – – – Comments?

William DeArteaga [11/02/2015 9:30 AM]
Awful, but it indicates the weakness of the Church in ministering change to such persons.

Timothy D McCune [11/02/2015 10:26 AM]
I do not believe a demon can enter a Christian. Because a Christian has Christ in him or her a non christian however is an open vesal.

John Kissinger [11/02/2015 10:28 AM]
so are you saying a Christian cannot backslide, fall from grace and be possessed?

Charles Page [11/02/2015 11:36 AM]
how can demons occupy a Christians if they are in the bottomless pit with their master?

John Kissinger [11/02/2015 4:09 PM]
who is in the bottomless pit in your question? Rick #grammer

Timothy D McCune [11/02/2015 4:33 PM]
I am saying if a person is a Christian that person will be full of Christ and it will be impossible for a demon to enter. In order for a demon to enter a person Christ would not be in that person therefor that person would not be a Christian and I doubt if there ever committed there life to Christ.

John Kissinger [11/02/2015 4:41 PM]
I agree – thou there’s very little Bible to back up what you’ve said

Timothy D McCune [11/02/2015 4:42 PM]
^Thanks.

John Kissinger [11/05/2015 6:54 AM]
do you think there’s a connection here? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/who-were-the-benehaelohim-were-they-fallen-angels/

26 Comments

1. Not all Christians are full of the Holy Ghost. that’s why God tells us to be filled! Why would He tell us to be filled with the Spirit, if we already are?
2. The idea of demonic ‘possession’ isn’t actually quite Biblical. The actual Greek word is more literally translated “demonized”, which means “vexed by a devil.” Demons cannot actually “own” a person. They may try to grasp for control, and via an open spiritual door to evil, gain almost complete control. The more control they can gain, the more one is “vexed” by that demon.
3. And yes, Christians can be vexed by devils. Because Christians can “give place to the devil.” The more a Christian gives place to a devil, the more that Christian opens himself to vexation by the devil.
4. No human can know by human logic, at what point one walks away from God, and leaves the position of salvation in Christ. (Salvation is a position, rather than a possession.)
5. Therefore, it is impossible for us to say whether or not a specific individual who is vexed by a devil is a Christian or not.

Central truth: If one is vexed by a devil, we have power to cast that devil out. Don’t quibble over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Just get the job done.

Thank you William DeArteaga for starting this topic and it makes lots of sense. I’ll be having fun watching someone prove that “daimonizomai” means vexed 🙂 John Conger David Lewayne Porter Ricky Grimsley Vlad Stepanov

Troy
Exactly.
I guess I totally misunderstood the state that legion was in when the spirits left him and entered the pigs (swine).
Or when Jesus explained the empty yet cleaned house which ends up with 8 spirits (7 that are more wicked that the first).

I have talked with more than several individuals who have been possessed, and they totally disagree with the previous comment (as ones that have been there and lived through this).

Yeah i think if you dont believe people can be “possessed” with the devil perhaps you need to get out more. Certainly people who are saved can be oppressed by the devil but not possessed. As far as “vexed” personally i have always felt it had to do more demonically caused sickness as opposed to possession.

I think of possession as ownership. I do think people can be completely controlled by a demon inhabiting them. But this is not ownership.

Perhaps, though–
(just thinking out loud here… I have nothing to lose, really, but my pride–and I have prayed for that to die long ago. lol)
–perhaps possession ISN’T necessarily ownership, but simply to hold something AS IF one owns it. (As in “possession is 9/10 of the law.”)

God said “all souls are mine.” (Ez 18:4)
So, even if someone is “grievously vexed with a devil” as the gentile woman’s daughter in Matt. 15:22, their soul is not owned by Satan.

That’s the Word that I based my first comment on.
(…and I still think I was right.)

I’m sure you have heard the little story of the boy who lost a toy boat. He found it in a second-hand toy store further down-river. He bought it back.
Legally, who owned the boat, while it was on display in that store? Is “finders keepers” true?
Or did the boy perhaps legally still own it, but the one who had it in their possession claimed (falsely) they owned it?

I think we can ascribe more power to the devil than he actually has. Just because they say something in the occult, does it mean it’s true?
God said, “All souls are mine.” He is the Father of all spirits. And all spirits return to him, for judgment.
On what legal basis can He judge them, if he does not own them?

God owns all things. Yet, because of sin, some of His possessions are in rebellion, and are actually in enemy hands.

Yes, he redeemed us. “Bought us back” as it were. But that was not because of who Satan is, or what Satan has done to God.
It was because of who God is, and what He can do.

All Satan has, is a lie. All he can speak, is a lie. There is no truth in him. (john 8:44) When he says, “I own you!” it’s a lie.
Freedom comes when truth enters the soul.
The truth is, that God owns the person.

I’m not going to argue this point. I really think it’s an issue of semantics. I’ve given the Scriptures I based my original answer on.

Interesting topic. Is it possible that transgender people are demon possessed? Yes, I believe a person can have evil spirits living in him. However, if the Holy Spirit dwells in someone’s heart, the evil one cannot enter it.

What if modern demon possessions are manifested in different ways from the ancient times? This “pride” movement is getting annoying.