SandV BBS

85667 17-FEB 20:14 Telecom (6809)
SandV BBS
From: MITHELEN To: ALL

I am pleased to announce that the SandV BBS is back on line, and open to
users. The BBS is now running on a Sun 3/160 workstation, running
SunOS Release 4.1, StG-Net V4 Menu system, and the latest Unix Mail and
News software. There is an extensive OS-9 (both 6809 and 68k) file section,
as well as many GIF, IFF, FLI, and MOD files, available to all users for
downloading.
–
Paul Jerkatis – SandV BBS (***) 352-0948: Chicago Area OS-9 Users Group
UUCP: amiserv.xnet.com!vpnet!sandv!mithelen …or… mithelen [at] sandv [dot] chi [dot] il [dot] us
Internet: MITHELEN [at] Delphi [dot] com

“Did you ever notice how cheep 99% of all BBS users are?” – Unknown

41 comments to SandV BBS

> I am pleased to announce that the SandV BBS is back on line, and open to > users. The BBS is now running on a Sun 3/160 workstation, running > SunOS Release 4.1, StG-Net V4 Menu system, and the latest Unix Mail and > News software.

Hi Paul, can I Net transfer to Your presend StG v4 system with my StG v3? wouldlike to be able for Your system to be my parent system again…

> > I am pleased to announce that the SandV BBS is back on line, and open > to > users. The BBS is now running on a Sun 3/160 workstation, running > > SunOS Release 4.1, StG-Net V4 Menu system, and the latest Unix Mail > and > News software. > > Hi Paul, can I Net transfer to Your presend StG v4 system with my StG v3? > would > like to be able for Your system to be my parent system again…

Dieter, StG v4 doesn’t even have netxfr yet, and if it did it is notcompatible with v3. You hve 2 choices now as parent system, Homein Florida at 4800 baud or Narnia here in CA at 2400 baud.

No…. Scott has no workign network transfer program for V4 yet, and when hedoes get it working, it will not be compatable with the V3 “netxfr”. I’mpredicting that scott should have a release version of StG V4 (for OSK andUnix) by CoCoFest time. The new menu interface program (smenu) is prettymuch in it’s release stage, and is VERY nice… can do a LOT more thenthe V3 menu program… and it supports ALL termtypes that are in thesystems termcap file…– Paul Jerkatis – SandV BBS (708)352-0948: Chicago Area OS-9 Users Group UUCP: amiserv.xnet.com!vpnet!sandv!mithelen …or… mithelen [at] sandv [dot] chi [dot] il [dot] us Internet: MITHELEN [at] Delphi [dot] com

> Dieter, StG v4 doesn’t even have netxfr yet, and if it did it is not > compatible with v3. You hve 2 choices now as parent system, Home > in Florida at 4800 baud or Narnia here in CA at 2400 baud. > > Hope to see SAB and PhotoNet back on the net.

Thanks for the replay, as 4800 and 2400 baud is to slow for NetXfr longdistance from Southern Alberta Canada… I will not rejoin the StG Net unlessI find a StG system that transfers at 9600 baud.

I am also waiting for StG v4 for the MM/1a so that I can get back on the NET,then StG v3 systems are now either at 4800 baud or 2400 baud, andthat is toslow for net transfers from my location to the parent system, I cant affordthe cost of the LD charges… If StG v4 dont get released this year, Imight use RCIS, that BBS system is already running on the MM/1 and I have ademo system setup on my MM/1, looks not to bad. Was a lot easyer to setup thenSTG v3 was… Thanks for Your input Paul!

> Thanks for the replay, as 4800 and 2400 baud is to slow for NetXfr long > distance from Southern Alberta Canada… I will not rejoin the StG Net > unless > I find a StG system that transfers at 9600 baud. > > I wich all the best to the StG Net!

9600 baud can not be used reliably with a 6809 CoCo system and standardrs232 pak. 4800 is reliable. Home is running a 14.4k bps modem at 4800since the rs232 pak drops charactors at 9600.

I plan on getting a 14.4K too…. but until I can get Powerboost and a6309 my system will not support anything higher than 4800. Now ifCoNect or some other company would sell a new buffered rs232 portfor the CoCo, one that uses the 16550 chips…

Um, I’m running 9600 baud here with no character loss (that I know of) on a6809 and a 232 Deluxe Pak. I’ve had a couple of CoCo users that have withcharacter loss, but it must be on their end because the non-CoCo users havenever complained of any character loss.

If I get insane again… I might attempt to try porting over Taylor UUCPto OSK again… With Taylor UUCP on my Sun… I’m able to get 1500 CPSthroughput on a V.32 modem and a 19.2K port speed… Darn fast! The Taylor“i” protocal is also bi-directional, like netxfr is… And UUCP is a wellaccepted standard for network comunications… I REALLY like Scottsmenuing interface though! You would not believe how much more advancedthe latest version is over the CoCo version for V3… Scott and I havespent several hours on the phone (long distance) getting SMenu up tosnuff… It is really close to being “perfect” (he has some other reallycool ideas for it, but I am gonna get him to wait on them, and concentrateon stgxfr after this week) The last time I work with scott on stgxfr, was, umbefore Atlanta CoCoFest… we nearly had it comunicating between twosystem null modemed together. Oncewe get that working, then he can putin the hooks for mail and news, and for remote startup… Which willbe pretty trivial (compared to all the other codeing)–Paul

Come on Randy… That is not accurate at all… The CoCo with STOCK Level 2and standard 6551 is most definately NOT capable of reliably handleingcontinuous 9600 baud recieves. You CAN get it to work reliably, withminimal software changes (hacked SACIA) and a cable hack, but stillIt does not REALLY handle TRUE 9600 baud throughput.–Paul

> Sorry Jim, but this is wrong info. The CoCo (6809) running stock Level 2 > using a 6551 based serial port is perfectly capable of 9600. If it is > unreliable for you, look at your modem setup and software.

With Supercomm 2.3 beta, and using a LineLink 14.4 modem it will connectjust fine at 9600 but during the online session, characters are lost. This isusing a CoNect 6551A board and SACIA (patched). Downloading with anyprotocol (compression turned off) yeilds about 400 cps average. Thehighest that I have ever received with Ymodem batch was 500 cps. Thereare alot of errors during the transfer which slows the system down. Zmodemwill top out at an average of 250-300 cps. At 4800 baud ymodem yeilds425-450 cps and zmodem gets an average of 375-400 cps.

The CoCo hardware, stock level 2, and AciaPak with only the 240 byte bufferpatch is fully capable of recieving a *continious* 9600 baud data stream.The bottle neck is the application gathering the data; how efficient theapp is, and what it does with the data (screen writes kill throughput). I do have extensive testing to back this up.

> You CAN get it to work reliably, with > minimal software changes (hacked SACIA) and a cable hack, but still > It does not REALLY handle TRUE 9600 baud throughput. > Paul >You are right Paul! You dont get true 9600 baud, but the fastest transfer theCoCo 3 and OS9 is capable of, and thats wat I am after till I can eitherimplement StG v3 or StG v4 on the MM/1a, and is not that then I will change toRCIS, that BBS software already runs on the MM/1. But I like StG better and will wait till then, or ifI can find an StG system that is running at 9600 baud right now, and is w Dieter

Yes, but, transmissions are even a worse problem. Especially when usinga modem that requires hardware handshakeing. Most of that problem lies inthe standard 6551.

When trying to use an advanced bi-directional protocal like netxfr for StG,all these little problems stack up, and reliable transfers become nearimpossible on a “stock” setup. With the proper hardware hacks, and softwarechanges, you can get decent reliability (although throughput still isn’t nearwhat the theretical max throughput should be)–Paul

> Um, I’m running 9600 baud here with no character loss (that I know of) on a > 6809 and a 232 Deluxe Pak. I’ve had a couple of CoCo users that have with > character loss, but it must be on their end because the non-CoCo users > have never complained of any character loss.

You have something wrong, very wrong. SuperComm 2.2 (and 2.3) will do 9600with a 920 cps thoughput (ramdisk, about 750cps to harddrive) with box stockOS-9 with the exception of upping AciaPak’s buffer to greater than 150characters. If you are missing chars, then *something* is hogging the CPU with IRQ’soff for long amounts of time. The usual culprit isa non-stock clock. UseEddie’s edition 9 clocks. I do know from my own personal machine that theDisto Xn1 clock driver limits the system to 4800. Eddie’s disto clock worksfine.

Hi Jim- There is something wrong in there! Now, I’m not system programmer,but my moderately (hehe) patched thing does a bit better than that, using(of course) the same port. Go over Delphi again- you must missed a patch ortwelve. I _love_ these guys! -ricku

> There is something wrong in there! Now, I’m not system > programmer, but my moderately (hehe) patched thing does a bit better than > that, using (of course) the same port. Go over Delphi again- you must > missed a patch or twelve. I _love_ these guys!

> You have something wrong, very wrong. SuperComm 2.2 (and 2.3) will do > 9600 with a 920 cps thoughput (ramdisk, about 750cps to harddrive) with > box stock OS-9 with the exception of upping AciaPak’s buffer to greater > than 150 characters. > If you are missing chars, then *something* is hogging the CPU with > IRQ’s off for long amounts of time. The usual culprit isa non-stock clock. > Use Eddie’s edition 9 clocks. I do know from my own personal machine that > the Disto Xn1 clock driver limits the system to 4800. Eddie’s disto clock > works fine.

I don’t currently have access to a high speed modem for testing butwhen I did have one here I wasn’t able to get reliable 9600 baud.I am using Eddie’s edition 9 clock for the B&B, and the patched scaiadriver, XTP=8F. Downloads were done to the hardrive, but nowhere near750 cps.

> BTW, does it really take twelve lines to tell everyone who you are?

Actually 10 lines but who’s counting . If I get InfoXpress tolet me select my short signature then I will.

Thought I’d butt in on this thread to ask something I’ve been wonderingabout, I suppose it’s related enuff. Really, anyone may be able to answer…

I wonder if a CoCo can benefit from a modem’s data compression. My modem iscapable of MNP and v.32bis etc. However I’m using a Disto 4in1 and itdoesn’t support RTS/CTS handshaking. I’ve heard that it can be modified orI also have a Multi-Pak and RS232-Deluxe, but hate to put it backin. However, I wonder if there is any benefit. Also, there is a passage inmy Modem manual about “the computer-to-modem speed should be several timesfaster than that of the DCE line speed.” Does that mean that I could havemy computer set at something above 2400 baud? The modem is 2400…

> You must realize that Jim is talking about a bidirectional transfer of > data here. He is running StG, just like me. TTYL, >I use StG BBS and have NO problems using 9600 baud transfers with PhotoNet,also a StG Node!

Welp… Just talked with Scott G. again tonight, and got some goodnews… He now has the base low level protocal working for StG V4 “stgxfr”and, on a 9600 baud link between his MM/1 and Sun 3/160, was able to getover 1300 CPS on a bi direction test transfer, on un refined code. TheMM/1 side showed no errors, while the Sun side had only 7 retries (don’tknow how big the test file was)–

> Dieter, > Are you running a stock serial port and stock OS-9 with stock modules? > I think not. > Carl >You are right! I’m NOT… But way are You still doing that? Most patchesare on Delphi or CIS, and the cost to modify the TANDY RS-232 Deluxe pack isnegligible, and the rest is cost free so to speek (on Delphi)…

> The MM/1 side showed no errors, while the Sun side had only 7 retries (don’t > know how big the test file was) > –Thats great Paul, soon as Scott has it finiched, tell him that I would like acopy for my MM/1, also let me know wat the cost will be… Thanks!

> Actually I’ve tried the mods…they didn’t work on my Comm 4 board. Paul > Jerkatis can testify to that. I’ll probably try them again now that I’ll > be having some free time soon. > Carl >Do’nt know about the Comm 4 board, I use the Ken_Ton Dual RS-232 port and havegood luck with it, all line are supported on that board!

The Comm-4 is basically 4 standard RS-232 packs mashed onto one board.What’s weird is, I changed the ACIAs on my Comm-4.. and it worked no problem.but, when putting the exct same ACIAs int Carls Comm-4, it didn’t work (infact, i think it made it unusable).–Paul

All the lines are supported on the COMM4 board as well. The board that Boisysold worked with the new chips just fine….the one I had wouldn’t. I amgoing to take you up on the offer of buying the chips and caps. Could youget 4 chips and the caps needed and write down exactly what is needed to be done

for the modification the way you did it? Right now I have a ’486 a terminaland 2 modems on the COMM4. The modems are 2400 and the terminal is set at9600. The ’486 is set to 4800. On the other port of the ’486 I have a14,400 modem that really screams now that I have a high speed serial portboard installed. It is set at 57,600 between the modem and computer! Nowall I need is to get a SCSI hard drive for the system (’486) and OS-9000 willget installed. Really need a SVGA monitor as well but I can live with VGAfor now. Best wishes,Carl

> All the lines are supported on the COMM4 board as well. The board that Boisy

> sold worked with the new chips just fine….the one I had wouldn’t. I am > going to take you up on the offer of buying the chips and caps. Could you > get 4 chips and the caps needed and write down exactly what is needed to be > done > for the modification the way you did it? Right now I have a ’486 a terminal > and 2 modems on the COMM4. The modems are 2400 and the terminal is set at > 9600. The ’486 is set to 4800. On the other port of the ’486 I have a > 14,400 modem that really screams now that I have a high speed serial port > board installed. It is set at 57,600 between the modem and computer! Now > all I need is to get a SCSI hard drive for the system (’486) and OS-9000 will

> get installed. Really need a SVGA monitor as well but I can live with VGA > for now. Best wishes, > Carl >

OK! Have all the Caps in stock, and two chips, will have to get two more fromCalgary as soon as I get the Money from You… Also will make a drawing forthe instructions, and also will take a Picture of my RS-232 Deluxe pak, thatwill show you how I done it… My KEN-TON dual RS-232 pak I did not have to ad the caps, justreplaced the old 6551 chips fore the new once and wolla! all done…

Good Sirrah! Could you send me the approximate cost of said upgrade 6551 chipsand Caps, as well. I also have a higher – than – 4800 Baud modemthat I would like to kick into higher gear. You could let CBJ know and he canrelat the info, if you like. Thanks.TonyPodraza

> Good Sirrah! Could you send me the approximate cost of said upgrade 6551chips and Caps, as well. I also have a higher – than – 4800 Baud modem > that I would like to kick into higher gear. You could let CBJ know and hecan relat the info, if you like. Thanks. > TonyPodraza >I just checked the New Catalogue from my supply’er and the caps are $ 0.34each, and the R65C51P2 chips are $ 12.50 each… But the catalogue had a footnote stating that prices would change with the demand and the state of theeconomy…So the final price might differ when I finally get them, plus shipping…

I will phone the company tomorrow for a final price check, will also order twochips to fill CBJ’s order… Will include with every order a copy of myinvoice from my supply’er…

Could you leave me you phone # in MAIL? I’d like to address this a bit furtherby voice, if you don’t mind, of course. If you wish not, t hen we’ll progressfurther on DElphi but in Mail…no need to clutter up forum.