this is what progressives do scrub history so they can repeat it or rewrite it to their liking

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1309466

And ignorants declare that an original document that doesnt grant women the right to vote or blacks as humans as an authoritative source on citizenship.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1372198

But it does make our country a REPUBLIC which is the greatest protector of human rights in the history of the world. A lynch mob of 9 is a 90% majority Democracy ... assuming the fella being lynched doesn't want to be lynched. NOT at all a protector of human rights.

A Republic is a government of LAWS. You see it doesn't matter if 70% of Texans want to lynch Gays.... there are LAWS that prevent the Democratic Majority from carrying out the majority's wishes. THAT is the beauty of a Republic.

The Constitution was not perfect and still is not perfect. But there IS a mechanism for change and it is NOT court activism. CHANGING by Amendment... that is the LEGAL way.

Whining about stuff that happened a hundred years ago which NEVER affected you does nothing but identify you as a WHINER.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1361018

That is not at issue, though I could argue with you that you are the "greatest protector" blah blah blah. Your country is not, though you are brainwashed to believe such bullshit. I know, I remember how they brainwashed me up to 10 years old. Even then I was teary eyed about such hyperbole. But I grew up. I dont quite understand the difference between Republic and Democracy that you "raised in" the US "natural citizens" go on about. All's I know is that if you dont PARTICIPATE every day but only leave it to representatives to speak for you, you get the corruption you deserve. IMO There are some things States do better, and others things they dont. There are some oppressive States that need to be put into line with standards of the rest, if you want to considered a Nation. I always considered a Nation more than 50 million as being unworthy, too divisive, actually -- but that's another subject...

Jesus Christ, all this effort posting bullshit, Natural Born Citizen has been defined by the Supreme Court, and it boils down to someone born in the country. THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS UNTIL THERE IS A SUPREME COURT CASE THAT CHANGES IT!

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 987391

Wrong. If you are a real person, and are interested in learning, reread Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), partially posted above, full post at link

•Anyone born inside the United States *•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe•Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national•Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year•Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)•A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

I'm not sure why your all annoyed about this natural born citizen status but your question is answered in the very first amendment.

Quoting: Dee Licsh 950299

You are making that up. There is no definition of "natural born citizen" in the Constitution. Well, there is a Euro definition by a 18C advocate of colonialism. Even if the "founding fathers" followed a colonialist philosopher, which I doubt, do you really think the definition of a bunch of men who considered women as chattel and blacks as subhuman was any better?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1372213

It doesn't matter if the founding fathers were all ax murderers now does it? It is the LAW regardless.

Seems nobody has felt this particular law needed to be changed.. IE Amended.. you know... LEGALLY CHANGED... as opposed to making the requirements for the presidency a SCOFF LAW... NO DIFFERENT THAN JAY WALKING!!!

How would you feel about folks making Don't Ask, Don't Tell a Scoff Law? You know... regardless of the law... once a month ask all service people if they are gay; if they answer yes... dishonorably discharge them without benefits. Because hey... the founders were a bunch of ax murderers.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1361018

Again, there is no definition in the Constitution, ie. no law to refer to. Why do you people keep on pretending there is? Just repeat and rant, rant and repeat. That's the partisan way. The fact is, you are giving the partisan machine a pass,,, and letting it live another generation,,,

Jesus Christ, all this effort posting bullshit, Natural Born Citizen has been defined by the Supreme Court, and it boils down to someone born in the country. THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS UNTIL THERE IS A SUPREME COURT CASE THAT CHANGES IT!

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 987391

Wrong. If you are a real person, and are interested in learning, reread Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), partially posted above, full post at link

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 802683

Which quote? The one that said Euro native born Americans have the same rights as Native native born Americans? Re-read the ruling, and avoid the spin....

The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient for everything we have now to consider that all children born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction are themselves citizens.

There are just too many willful idiots on this earth. We are out numbered 1000:1. That's why rational people can never win an election. The brain dead run the show!

Its pretty obvious that the masses are not capable of waking up! The USA is a basket case.

Me, I am heading overseas. That's the only hope. find a country where you can peaceful pursue you interests. Americas are dead set on establishing and supporting a police military security state. Soon TSA will be probing our anus, looking for explosives.

All for national security.Too much pointless fear, I have had enough. Cannot spend the rest of my life trying to convince people who don't give a crap!

"OUR" government is basically insane.They have lost their marbles.

Quoting: all_the_kings_horses 1346228

Well look at the opportunities there. 1. Develop a painless anoscope.2. Open a chain of Sexually Abused Recovery Clinics. 3. Start a Stolen TSA Porn website. 4. Start a new garment line for frequent travelers with buttoned butt flaps to facillitate getting through TSA anal checks. 5. Start a Burka line so nonMuslims can get through without pat downs and anal checks. 6. Sell teaching DVDs on anal exam accidental fart etiquette.

So far you people havent denied that the only interpretation of "natural born citizen" is by a foreign Swiss philosopher. You havent denied that "natural born" isnt defined in the Constitution. And you havent denied that a judge ruling in 1964 wasnt even referring to Obama's circumstance.

IOW you people are idiots who continually lie and spread lies for your own narrow purposes.

If you want to complain about Obama do it from intelligence and a truly INDEPENDENT perspective, not a partisan one that only feeds the machine.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1372213

you people havent denied that the only interpretation of "natural born citizen" is by a foreign Swiss philosopher

Reread Minor vs Happersett. The US Supreme Court cited, and upheld, the Swiss philosopher de Vattel's definition in that case, word for word.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 802683

Cite it and I'll give it serious consideration. So far, I see blogs that cite words not quite saying what you mean to say, but then spin it to their agenda. I would love to see a US SC ruling citing a Swiss 18C anti revolutionary colonialist. lol

•Anyone born inside the United States *•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe•Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national•Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year•Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)•A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

I'm not sure why your all annoyed about this natural born citizen status but your question is answered in the very first amendment.

Quoting: Dee Licsh 950299

You are making that up. There is no definition of "natural born citizen" in the Constitution. Well, there is a Euro definition by a 18C advocate of colonialism. Even if the "founding fathers" followed a colonialist philosopher, which I doubt, do you really think the definition of a bunch of men who considered women as chattel and blacks as subhuman was any better?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1372213

It doesn't matter if the founding fathers were all ax murderers now does it? It is the LAW regardless.

Seems nobody has felt this particular law needed to be changed.. IE Amended.. you know... LEGALLY CHANGED... as opposed to making the requirements for the presidency a SCOFF LAW... NO DIFFERENT THAN JAY WALKING!!!

How would you feel about folks making Don't Ask, Don't Tell a Scoff Law? You know... regardless of the law... once a month ask all service people if they are gay; if they answer yes... dishonorably discharge them without benefits. Because hey... the founders were a bunch of ax murderers.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1361018

Again, there is no definition in the Constitution, ie. no law to refer to. Why do you people keep on pretending there is? Just repeat and rant, rant and repeat. That's the partisan way. The fact is, you are giving the partisan machine a pass,,, and letting it live another generation,,,

That's living by the Constitution? Hardly.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1372213

I was answering your comment about the character of the founding fathers....which you seem avoid now. Seems I destroyed your straw man argument:"But Daddy... Johnny didn't share!""But Daddy... they wouldn't let me play!"

•Anyone born inside the United States *•Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe•Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national•Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year•Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21•Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)•A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.* There is an exception in the law — the person must be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

I'm not sure why your all annoyed about this natural born citizen status but your question is answered in the very first amendment.

Quoting: Dee Licsh 950299

You are making that up. There is no definition of "natural born citizen" in the Constitution. Well, there is a Euro definition by a 18C advocate of colonialism. Even if the "founding fathers" followed a colonialist philosopher, which I doubt, do you really think the definition of a bunch of men who considered women as chattel and blacks as subhuman was any better?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1372213

It doesn't matter if the founding fathers were all ax murderers now does it? It is the LAW regardless.

Seems nobody has felt this particular law needed to be changed.. IE Amended.. you know... LEGALLY CHANGED... as opposed to making the requirements for the presidency a SCOFF LAW... NO DIFFERENT THAN JAY WALKING!!!

How would you feel about folks making Don't Ask, Don't Tell a Scoff Law? You know... regardless of the law... once a month ask all service people if they are gay; if they answer yes... dishonorably discharge them without benefits. Because hey... the founders were a bunch of ax murderers.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1361018

Again, there is no definition in the Constitution, ie. no law to refer to. Why do you people keep on pretending there is? Just repeat and rant, rant and repeat. That's the partisan way. The fact is, you are giving the partisan machine a pass,,, and letting it live another generation,,,

That's living by the Constitution? Hardly.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1372213

The list in the first part of the quotes is not descriptive of a natural born citizen, but rather native born.

Natural born means born of two citizens of the US. It is clearly defined in the Constitution. It was clearly defined hundreds of years before the constitution.

I don't know where some of you people get your information, but it looks like you either make it up, or you are reading from scrubbed websites.

You are making that up. There is no definition of "natural born citizen" in the Constitution. Well, there is a Euro definition by a 18C advocate of colonialism. Even if the "founding fathers" followed a colonialist philosopher, which I doubt, do you really think the definition of a bunch of men who considered women as chattel and blacks as subhuman was any better?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1372213

It doesn't matter if the founding fathers were all ax murderers now does it? It is the LAW regardless.

Seems nobody has felt this particular law needed to be changed.. IE Amended.. you know... LEGALLY CHANGED... as opposed to making the requirements for the presidency a SCOFF LAW... NO DIFFERENT THAN JAY WALKING!!!

How would you feel about folks making Don't Ask, Don't Tell a Scoff Law? You know... regardless of the law... once a month ask all service people if they are gay; if they answer yes... dishonorably discharge them without benefits. Because hey... the founders were a bunch of ax murderers.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1361018

Again, there is no definition in the Constitution, ie. no law to refer to. Why do you people keep on pretending there is? Just repeat and rant, rant and repeat. That's the partisan way. The fact is, you are giving the partisan machine a pass,,, and letting it live another generation,,,

That's living by the Constitution? Hardly.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1372213

I was answering your comment about the character of the founding fathers....which you seem avoid now. Seems I destroyed your straw man argument:"But Daddy... Johnny didn't share!""But Daddy... they wouldn't let me play!"

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1361018

The cult of a personality? Are you going to seriously argue that the unwritten intent of GWashington in the US Constitution as paramount?, An intent that he obviously failed to gain consensus for to include those words in the Constitution? And then say you are a follower of a ghost Constitution based on something like that? Really,, I must say you havent a clue or have no memory of what making a Constitution is really about.

You are making that up. There is no definition of "natural born citizen" in the Constitution. Well, there is a Euro definition by a 18C advocate of colonialism. Even if the "founding fathers" followed a colonialist philosopher, which I doubt, do you really think the definition of a bunch of men who considered women as chattel and blacks as subhuman was any better?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1372213

It doesn't matter if the founding fathers were all ax murderers now does it? It is the LAW regardless.

Seems nobody has felt this particular law needed to be changed.. IE Amended.. you know... LEGALLY CHANGED... as opposed to making the requirements for the presidency a SCOFF LAW... NO DIFFERENT THAN JAY WALKING!!!

How would you feel about folks making Don't Ask, Don't Tell a Scoff Law? You know... regardless of the law... once a month ask all service people if they are gay; if they answer yes... dishonorably discharge them without benefits. Because hey... the founders were a bunch of ax murderers.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1361018

Again, there is no definition in the Constitution, ie. no law to refer to. Why do you people keep on pretending there is? Just repeat and rant, rant and repeat. That's the partisan way. The fact is, you are giving the partisan machine a pass,,, and letting it live another generation,,,

That's living by the Constitution? Hardly.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1372213

The list in the first part of the quotes is not descriptive of a natural born citizen, but rather native born.

Natural born means born of two citizens of the US. It is clearly defined in the Constitution. It was clearly defined hundreds of years before the constitution.

Quoting: Texas Uncensored

Again, no citation about "both parents". Please, try to research orginal sources, and italacize it with a link to specific words of the Constitution. Otherwise... sit back and, you know, stop making claims you cant back up. The court ruling I referred to seems to say that "natural born" has the same rights as "native born". ie it indicates to me, that the judge was trying to say that native born -- Euro and others not of the Americas -- have the same rights as a natural born -- a Native American.

Great post OP! This is the first time a thread about this issue really caught my attention. I'll look for more info now. Thanks!

"I have no faith in human perfectability. I think that human exertion will have no appreciable effect upon humanity. Man is now only more active - not more happy - nor more wise, than he was 6000 years ago". E.A.Poe

About a year or so ago they scrubbed "Amish and vaccinations" from the internet or rather they changed the info that we read, to make it sound like all Amish vaccinate and the rate of autism is the same as mainstream.

I know this has nothin to do with the subject at hand, but it does show how easy it is and that the sheeple are continually being decieved , soon we wont know up from down, it will be like BIZZARO WORLD

Status as a natural born citizen of the United States is one of the citizenship requirements for President of the United States, which are set by the United States Constitution for candidates to be eligible for election to the office of President or Vice President.

Try a Blacks Law dictionary, while you are there look up definition of a person, then go look up definition of a corporation, then Citizen, realise you are believing you are a fictional entity through contract of a birth certificate.

If you classify your self as a US Citizen you are referring to your self as a corporation, more importantly when you have acknowledged what I have said, re read you American constitution, now you know the correct definition of Person and Citizen

Jordan Maxwell talks about this, only he does not go into much detail

For more info visit www.tpuc.orgPeople to google John Harris Brian Gerrish Roger Hayes

So then that being said think about it, how can Obama by Law be an American citizen given now what we know about his birth certificate or is he a US Citizen (Corporation) well if its fake BC and he cant proof who he is, is this not a concern for so called Terrorism and National Security, leave it upto the American people to decide, after all your all free thinkers and knew all this anyway right!!