Tuesday, August 19, 2008

Attack on the Union (see updates)

Is this a concerted effort to break the Union? From this comment it would appear so:

Assuming for the sake of argument that this actually happened, it's brilliant. If they failed to qualify, they are subject to decertification by the State Police Board. Doesn't matter what the contact says about progressive discipline. If the Reps are decertified that can't be employed by the CPD as police officers. If they can't be employed as PO's then they can't be members of the Union or run the Union according to the Union's charter.

Like I said, a brilliant way to get rid of the "loyal opposition" without doing anything but complying with State law.

In the middle of contract negotiations and after an Arbitration date was set to address the issue, J-Fed and his band of merry idiots (at least two of which are "lawyers" - Kirby and Skahill) decided to disregard the CR process, disregard past precedent and disregard their own rules and policies and just try to strip members of the Negotiating Committee.

We're still trying to decide if this is yet another example of the complete arrogance that all feebs have toward us poor ignorant backwater hicks or possibly the ignorant advisers he's surrounded himself with - just about the entire command staff has never operated under a contract since they were in units that are excluded from contract protections, so they think they can do anything they want.

This comment was great however:

The best part is that when two LT's from IAD went to strip them, they were threatened with arrest for trespassing and kicked out of the building!

That would appear to make it a direct attack from J-Fed and Kirby. It certainly makes us want to run right out and do good work for these bosses!

UPDATE: On a personal note, we here believe that if you want to carry a gun, you ought to practice and qualify annually as a citizen and more often if it is a primary tool for your job. That being said, it is not disingenuous to call this an attack on contract protections. It is.

UPDATE II: We can't say we agree 100% with the FOP's stance on their qualifying because we don't. But J-Fed fucked up or was given fucked up advice when he moved to strip the Lodge officers without a CR investigation as delineated in the annual qualifications order. That made it a contract issue of the highest importance.

Try to see the big picture - imagine J-Fed (or any future superintendent) with the ability to strip you on the spot based entirely on some "reverend" whooping and hollering about some scumbag who was just about to turn his life around. The process must be followed all the time or else shortcuts will undercut protections.

UPDATE: On a personal note, we here believe that if you want to carry a gun, you ought to practice and qualify annually as a citizen and more often if it is a primary tool for your job. That being said, it is not disingenuous to call this an attack on contract protections. It is.

you are always so fucking high and mighty SCC you must be the greatest on earth

Daley and J-Fed HATES our FOP Union and work rules and will do anything possible to bust our FOP Union up!

Remember folks where J-Fed came from, Unions were not allowed! He does NOT understand how things work with a Union nor does he care!

I used to work in a Police Headquarters Unit and overheard the bosses in meetings talking about privatizing and pushing out as many Police Officer and Civilian jobs to private contractors from HQ!

Daley wants to privatize Police Headquarters and fuck over the people that are left who actually do the work!

In fact, it is already happening with the pending privatization of Information Services Division, Unit 125!

Civilian employees were offered buyouts to retire, or told to get another position within city government or face a layoff.

Police Officers and Supervisor are being pushed out and sent back to the districts. Other Police Officers leave because of the increased workload and headaches with decreased manpower!

Not to mention stupid Ideas such as "Closed Market" and now "Back to the Streets" Programs! What a waste of resources these programs are!

Believe it or not, the patrol districts are the best place to be these days with these clowns running things in HQ.

Now some police officers would welcome these moves. But you have to remember that Police Officers had the troops back.

Now we will have truly outsiders [private contractors like Oracle and Unisys] running the department based on political contributions and they don't care about any Police related issues or Officer safety issues! All these contractors care about is billing hours to the Stupid City!

Wait until the computer system goes down and we need it to really work. It is going to get a lot worse folks and Police Officers in the field will pay the price!

If you cant follow the simple rules of the job (Some may even call them laws in the most basic form) then how can you feel like you can enforce the rules (laws)....they should be stripped and fired..They cant meet minimum requirements for the job.

I see this as an indirect attack on us as members. I feel as though the Union is being targeted for the lack of "enthusiasm" the rank and file are displaying. Whatever the case, I see this ending up in a lawsuit, being that the Union Officers are on leave. they could resign and sue the shit out of Weis for whatever. Not saying that the Union is our master, but don't you suspect that Weis is "biting the hand that feeds them"? i see it as that and do not see a bright future from this episode. This is truly the worst attempt at a Power play that I have seen.

Speaking of guns, you gotta love Texas. This would never happen in our ass backward state we live in:

HOUSTON (Reuters) - A Texas school district will let teachers bring guns to class this fall, the district's superintendent said on Friday, in what experts said appeared to be a first in the United States.

The board of the small rural Harrold Independent School District unanimously approved the plan and parents have not objected, said the district's superintendent, David Thweatt.

School experts backed Thweatt's claim that Harrold, a system of about 110 students 150 miles northwest of Fort Worth, may be the first to let teachers bring guns to the classroom.

Thweatt said it is a matter of safety.

"We have a lock-down situation, we have cameras, but the question we had to answer is, 'What if somebody gets in? What are we going to do?" he said. "It's just common sense."

Obviously something has pissed the city off. That’s a good thing. To the moron’s who keep saying that FOP is in bed with the city (the constant malcontents-Wayne and his little band of posters) looks like the city proved you wrong.

This has be to the most idiotic decision of PPO J-Fed’s short (pun intended) tenure since Cozzi. The city must think FOP is responsible for the lower numbers coming out of patrol. And the city obviously doesn’t think we the backbone of the city, could have a cognizant thought on our own. The city must think that we could not see the handwriting on the wall w/o the union telling us what is going on. Whatever the FOP did right on!

To Kirby are you trying to submarine J-Fed? To the two LT.’s didn’t one of you have the brains or the backbone to tell your bosses that this a colossally stupid idea or do both of you think you will be exempts in the next round of changes!

It looks like merit promotions have killed off any bosses with balls anymore!

This is absolutely ridiculous. This is a blatant attempt to side rail our contract negotiations. Since Greg has been out spoken on the Department, they pull this shit! How far is this piece of shit J-Fed willing to go. Does he want the homicide rate at 30%? I didn’t think they could push morale any lower. This is unbelievable!!! I would listen to guys in the station complain and disregarded most of it, but this will make me not want to do anything. This guy is going to loose the small amount of cops left that still want to work. I still wanted to work, but no more! I guarantee if they screw us on this contract they will be lucky if I get out of the squad car. Nice job you idiots!!

honestly there is a provision in the contract that gives the president and (6) others to be excused with a leave w/out pay...so the way it goes that the union pays these officers so I believe that the city AGAIN has violated the CONTRACT...........this shitty is going in the dumpster........if this is incorrect how come NOLAN and his boyz didnt get stripped???????????????

the funniest thing i see is when p.o.'s say they are on work slowdown.....to me that's the officer that never did work and wants other officers to be dogs like them....it's simple, do the work u sworn and get paid to do...u get paid good enough money now not to stop working

If this is turning into some stupid pissing contest it should stop now. Send these reps to the range and be done with it. Union under attack my ass. This is an unnecessary side show that benefits nobody. Why would fop union reps think they are better than any other police officer in this state and are exempt from qualification? Although I do admire the IAD Lt's getting thrown out and threatened with arrest, that was admirable.

I agree again with SCC, they should qualify, this is more of a "G" type way to intimidate us! Greg Bella who should be union PRESIDENT had to enraged at least Greg has the best interests of all of the union mmembers!

Did Bill Dougherty get stripped??? And if not why didn't he? How bout Rich Aguilar and Frank Dimaria? Oh....they actually went and qualified but these other guys didn't? If these three guys qualified why didn't the others? Or did the city say aw fuck it we'll just strip 4 instead of all of them? Something smells like shit and I can't figure out what it is. These guys are lifelong policemen and know the rules...what gives? There are pieces of the puzzle that are missing!

An attack on our union is an attack on each and every one of us. Now is the time to stop all of the bickering and fighting that goes on between all of us coppers and stand together to let the 35th St. and city hall know that we wont sit by and let this happen.

Good"now they see hiw us guys on the bis progran fells.I will support them the same way they did me"nothing.they can go fuck themselfs.they told me I can't file a lawsuit,I'm paviing the way for future guys.now the rooster has come home to roost.cootet said hey assholes.don't look for my help.they are a do for nothing asshole.hope to see them driving and the blow a redlight.

Thats it for me folks, im done doing anything. I've slowed down to this point, kept my chin up and tried to be positive, but after this little move, forget it. Why bother. I hear you loud and clear, Jfed, I'm done.

If this rumor is in fact true (has this been confirmed?) the perhaps it will finally wake up the Union and make them realize not to concede to anything in negotiations. Give the city nothing. If this was in fact done, this is a horrible misstep on the part of management. This will not only further cause Officers to de-police, it might also start making bosses that are part of their own union support a de-policing effort as well. If they can attack the patrolmen's union, the Sgt.'s Union and Lt.'s Union is next. J-Fed opening said at his town hall meeting at the academy he hates dealing with the Union, and he can get nothing done having to worry about Union rules.

Hey, Jody...is this how you show us that you are on OUR side??? Is this how you want arrests and "aggressive" police officers to work?? Let me tell you something G-Man....You really fucked up big time...You will now have more health problems due to your job description than ever...ulcers, headaches, chest pain...etc....and all of it deserved and due to your actions on us....a great police department that you are single handedly ruining....RESIGN....or be held accountable!!! RESIGN, RESIGN, RESIGN........Your life will be a living hell...it will be miserable......RESIGN.....I am calling for ALL members to organize a march on City Hall and Police Headquarters ASAP to show the city and the world (Olympic bid) our No Confidence in Jody Weis and Richie Daley...You want the Olympics...who's going to protect your city?? Mabye the firefighters?? Oh yah they will be too busy putting out the fires from the riots!! Lets March....Set a date...Let's March so the city and the world can see what we are putting up with and who we are...Our voice is stronger now than ever....Let's Do This!!! Set a date....FOP Mark Donahue...Set the date!!! No More Bullshit!!

Skahill and Kirby-please stop posting on here with all your the "department is right" crap. Now is a time to stand with the FOP ladies and gents-save all the department apologizing for 35th Street. Unless you are one of those dazzeled by the new carbine order, it seems as though J-Fed has been doing this shit since day 1. We need to stand by the FOP on this one-regardless of the disagreements any of us have had with them in the past. To those posting otherwise-if you really cared you'd turn that sharp criticism on the exempts - see where the real problem is.

JFED is telling his troops to work or else. The exempts that surround him are out of touch with officers are on the street and would do anything to survive. Who else would have the nerve to union bust during long negiotations? Weiss still has no idea how to run a city police department. Old man Daley ahd a saying, "divide and conqueror". Until FOP started, we were abused by clout, politics and graft. We may disagree with FOP, but ask any officer with 20 years on, how was life before a union. No bids, no senority.

boy, this leaves a SICK feeling in my stomach. Feels kind of like influenza. Its pretty contageous... Wonder what would happen if several thousand of Chicago's police felt the same way? What a disaster! Boy, I hope I feel better before NEW YEARS EVE.

What the heck! Do these Union think that they can circumvent law? Now our Union dues will be paying for this Arbitrator process, all to loose. What were they thinking? What could they possibly hope to accomplish? They carry a star, have police powers, and think that they are better than the rest of us. No way jose

Preparation and effort are the keys to success in almost anything. If everyone does what they are supposed to do, when they are supposed to do it and PREPARE THEMSELVES a lot of drama could be circumvented. This appears to be a very serious set of circumstances. Get over yourself and pick your battles wisely.

As someone pointed out, we are all required by state law to qualify. In addition, the federal law allowing us to carry anywhere requires qualification. The FOP picked a bad issue to take a stand on.The Lt's just lost a grievance about required qualifications with off duty weapons. The FOP will look foolish if this hits the news. They should just go qualify and be done with it. You can't carry a star and make up your own rules whether you are on leave or not. Remember the guys that were foolish enough to pick this losing battle are the same guys that come to give you advice when you are in a jamb. Be careful with their advice. They seem hell bent on confrontation at any cost. Sometimes you should just take a deep breath and think for a moment.

THE FREAKIN FLOP DOESNT STAND BEHIND US WHEN WE NEED THEM TO, AND NOW ARE WE'RE EXPECTED TO STAND BEHIND THEM?....MAN WE ARE FUCKED!!!!!!!!I DONT FEEL SORRY FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY CONTINUE TO ALLOW US TO BE SHIT ON BY THE CITY. THEY NEED TO GROW SOME BALLS ON ALL MATTERS,NOT JUST THEIR PERSONAL ATTACKS. NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS I WILL CONTINUE TO DE-POLICE.TOUGHEN UP LODGE 7.

Hey dummies they have been union busting for a LONG TIME.The process of legally dismantling an established means of negotiating is a lot like taking apart a baseball.The hard part is to remove the hardened cover,YOU START BY CUTTING AWAY THE TIES THAT BIND.We have no more commaraderie,which breeds strength and spreads our work load.The city has compartmentalized this job so much that the left hand really doesn't know what the right hand is doing.Everyone is just out to save their spot.The unwinding of the baseball at that point is simple and the city is ready to throw us against the wall.WAKE UP PEOPLE,WE ARE ON THE VERGE OF LOSING WHAT LITTLE WE HAVE REAL SOON.

I'm going with B.S. on this one too. But who better to get a kick in the ass than FOP 7? They act surprised every time a contract runs out! Maybe this would light a fire under their proverbial asses....Where was Mark Donohue when Daley stated the police may be laid off? If he was out there, I missed it....If they want to carry police powers, then go shoot, Not hard to do.... Where is the FOP on manpower shortages? Absent as usual....How about Donohue giving the media a press release concerning these issues, and focusing on CPD being several thousand members short? I say he is afraid to do so, but some say that I'm just bitter....

Hi boys and girls, its Lt. Richie Scotchbreath here. I just wanted to respond to the joker who says I am nothing more than writing on the bathroom wall! [hic-up, burp, fart - What a nice surprise, my undies are dry!] To that poster, I must say, you are wrong sir! Lt. Richie Scotchbreath is the real deal and has never posted anything about Lt. Jim Carroll or his lap dog Donny! So before you defame the name of Lt. Richie Scothcbreath with your Jr. Detective skills maybe you should stop up at TR'S Pub and check out how real I am! [hic-up, burp, fart - What a nice surprise, my undies are dry!] Or ask Capt. Jimbo "1000+ Homicide Arrests" Spratte about my heroic policing! I can also refer you to my Uncle James Molloy, he'll tell you I am the real deal too! Its is losers like this poster that makes this web site bad! Well I have to run, Inspector Big Bird needs his toe nails clipped and his corns buffed off his feet, he asked me to help him! [hic-up, burp, fart - OK, that one wasn't dry!!!]

Doesn't everyone see that this is just wrong that they (being the bosses) are trying to do what ever they want regardless of the rules or contract. If you are doing anything for these bosses or this city you are a absolute fool... They can't fire all of us, we must stick together!!! Maybe this action will light a fire under our unions ass! Don't you remember the old saying " United we stand, Divided we fall!" Whoever said that we would be wishing Cline was still the SUPT., you hit the nail right on the head! I would even rather have Dana Starks right now....

NEVER EVER trust anyone in a leadership role on this job or any corrupt scum politician! We must stand together and fight the city and department to get a fair contract! They made it "us against them" and the only way we can have a fighting chance is to stick together. Just recently a boss was telling us if we pick up our numbers and get a "good evaluation" we could be selected for "merit" Detective or Sgt. HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! More lies! This job is lost and no one will ever trust or go the extra mile for J-Fed the fake cop! Don't do shit for them guys just answer your calls and back each other up! Don't get hurt in their numbers game.

I now know what they feel like in the COUNTRY OF GEORGIA.We are under siege people.You ain't seen nuttin' yet what happens if OBAMA WINS.Without Federal oversight DALEY will have no one to call him out on his nonsense.PEOPLE WE ARE IN BIG TROUBLE.

These people are active sworn law enforcement officers certified by the state of Illinois. They are required by law, as we ALL are, to certify their use of their weapon. Failing to do so, or refusing to do so for any reason, contact or not, is inexcusable.

If these officers want to consider themselves ON LEAVE from the department, they should have given their star & ID back to the department in which case they would NOT be sworn officers or legally allowed to carry a gun.

If they are NOT on leave from the department, they are obligated as we all are do qualify to keep their certification.

The blurb in the contract they're trying to HIDE behind does NOT cover their ass as they are trying to pervert it to. The ONLY thing it means is they get to work 8 hours a day at the FOP doing FOP shit rather than regular street or unit or police related duties.

Nowhere in that section does it say they are exempt from department rules and regs and nowhere does it say they can refuse to qualify.

This is an embarrassment to us all and a detriment to our negotiations.

It doesn't matter WHO started the bullshit, they are OBLIGATED to spend the 30 minutes once a year to qualify with the gun they want to hold on their hip.

Trying to pervert the contract to their benefit, or attempting to cry with the excuse that "someone else gets away with it why can't we?" is a pathetic crybaby position. This is the kind of childish attitude I'd expect from my seven year old and NOT someone holding themselves up to be the mouthpiece of the rank and file officers here.

End of story. Now quit wasting our dues and embarrassing us further with your petty bullshit FOP.

I'd be shocked to find that there aren't at least 6 or 7 good officers out here who are NOT considering running against these idiots in the next election.

And if this shit continues to snowball and further embarrass us, we should send a NO CONFIDENCE vote down to springfield and get these idiots GONE.

We are on leave from the Department and working for the Union representing all officers below the rank of sergeant.

Well then my friend, YOU ARE NO LONGER A POLICE OFFICER. When you are on leave from the department, you are NOT ALLOWED TO POSSESS A STAR, ID or EXERCISE POLICE POWERS IN ANY WAY AS YOU ARE NO LONGER EMPLOYED BY THE CITY OF CHICAGO. AND THIS MEANS YOU DON'T GET TO CARRY A GUN BUDDY!

Being on leave carries the same weight as QUITTING, only with the ability to get your job back.

Using your logic, a cop who quits still gets to carry a star, gun & ID and is still the police, even though he quit.

Just because you're certified doesn't mean your a cop, dudes. You have to be employed to be a cop. Passing a test doesn't make you a cop.

Just because the city ALLOWED you to be on leave and still carry a gun and star doesn't give you any rights. They may have done so out of courtesy so long as you remained in compliance with state laws, but since you idiots don't want to stay in compliance, you deserve what you get.

If you are in fact ON LEAVE, then you are NOT an active police officer, and therefore you are NOT allowed to be an active member of this union and also therefore are not to be allowed to bargain on behalf of sworn officers who ARE active and currently employed by the city of Chicago.

Man, when you idiots screw up you really do it big don't you?

You ain't right, you ain't never gonna be right on this, and you will cost us credibility with an arbitor and throughout any further negotions.

Fuck those guys, they've been notified for court from previous cases when they actually did some police work, but don't attend. Even when their given court notifications, they think they're above the law and dont attend!

If that were you or I ? Forget about it! We'd be deviated.

Only bad thing is, they should be reprimanded and forced to shoot! Not lose their status or have to cancel golf plans as a result of this.

you are always so fucking high and mighty SCC you must be the greatest on earth

Yeah, we're high and mighty because we express an opinion, urge citizens to practice and think cops ought to be overly proficient in the tool that could save their life, their partner's life or the life of a citizen.

Total CPD ignorance. Suddenly enforcing rules that the department has no history of enforcing. That is why almost every fired PO gets their job back. Because every fired PO can find another example of a PO who did the exact same thing and was not fired.

CPD argument: the book said they could, so they did.

This actually gives the FOP and its police officer members a cause of action against the city, especially if the FOP can prove that the city's actions caused harm to the officers' ability to negotiate a timely collective bargaining agreement.

Like it or not, everyone needs to get behind the FOP now and back these guys up 100%. This is a direct attack on the officers' reps to delay a contract until the city can get its financial situation in order.

This is the worst thing the department has ever done to its officers and the officers should respond appropriately.

you are always so fucking high and mighty SCC you must be the greatest on earth

8/19/2008 08:31:00 AM

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Well apparently deep down you must believe that since you are reading HIS blog. What is wrong with SCC giving his opinion. Perhaps it is you who is so high and mighty because you are criticizing him. Let's step aside for you, show us the way.

its about fucken time those idiots from the fop get their shit taken from them....donahue needs to grow some balls and tell the city to go fuck themselves. this is what needed to take place in order for the fop to FINALLY get their shit together......fuck this city,fuck jfed and his cronies, and any cop out there who still brings in arrests or revenue for this city.

Actually, those four were stripped for failing to follow a lawful, direct order which was a result of them thinking they have some kind of right to not have to qualify with their weapons. Which in my opinion makes the FOP guys look even more foolish since they pretty much put themselves into this position by taking the stubborn stance that they don't have to follow Department Rules anymore. If you are ordered to comply with a standard rule and refuse, exactly what do you think will happen? I respect and like Greg a lot but this is just foolish and it's no one's fault but their own. That's right, I dare say it, it's not J-Feeb's fault.

12:26 has hit it right......... This city administration has been union busting since we have had a collective bargaining bill in this state and city. And that happened in 1980 when the FFs union went on strike for a contract. That woke up the elected punks and set the stage for ALL public service employees to get contracts. There hasn't been a strike by public safety people since.And if you guys and gals don't get your shit together "Little Mighty Mouse" will have you by the cajones as it was for all of us pre-1980. Ask me, I ran that '80 strike and worked for many years at the "at will" attitude of asshole bosses of a corrupt system.Get together people and stand straight. This administration, with it's highly paid labor lawyers, cannot take 'informational picketing'. The one thing they can't stand for is to be embarrassed. And the tax paying citizens should know what the lack of manpower does to their safety. Good Luck.

the funniest thing i see is when p.o.'s say they are on work slowdown.....to me that's the officer that never did work and wants other officers to be dogs like them....it's simple, do the work u sworn and get paid to do...u get paid good enough money now not to stop working

8/19/2008 09:16:00 AM

you are a fucking idiot with no clue, arent you? No where did I swear to make the daley machine richer... I swore to serve and protect which I will continue to do... at my own pace, not my sgt/lts pace

Now we will have truly outsiders [private contractors like Oracle and Unisys] running the department based on political contributions and they don't care about any Police related issues or Officer safety issues! All these contractors care about is billing hours to the Stupid City!

Greg Bella is one of the few guys at the union putting in long hours and backing us up. Try having to deal with stupid drunken off duty beefs all day long and then have to deal with legitimate cases for on duty po's.

This is simply payback for Bella speaking out. I wouldn't be surprised if Donahue didn't rat out these guys.

Total CPD ignorance. Suddenly enforcing rules that the department has no history of enforcing. That is why almost every fired PO gets their job back. Because every fired PO can find another example of a PO who did the exact same thing and was not fired.

CPD argument: the book said they could, so they did.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I agree. The city and the FOP use the “no history” card.Example:

Years ago it was written in the contract that all meds will be paid for by the city for those officers on occupational (heart) disability. The Nolan team neglected to tell these poor souls they are entitled to 100% coverage for their meds. Some of these officers were paying $700 a month out of pocket! When the new FOP team became aware of this benefit and filed a grievance because the city refused to pay for the meds, the city’s argument was we never did it before. Bob Podgorny was the city’s star witness. The city won.

I think it’s called “past practice”

Now I know some may say those officer’s on OD should have read the contract, but most of those officers were really in a bad way and were relying on the guidance of Bob, whose job it was to guide the disabled officers.

For those of you who think the FOP guys should just “go shoot”, I think you are wrong. Fight these SOB’s for everything.

Hey, wait a minute!!! I thought that here in the Republic of Chicago that we are no longer required to follow the state or federal laws, the only laws we need to folow are the ones proclaimed by King Dick...... Wouldn't that mean that the state qualifications don't apply?

J-bully is in roid-rage throwing a tantrum, surrounded by his recently promoted yesmen who won't dare to go against him lest they lose their wealth & benefits.

Like a previous post stated, first it was cozzi, but now they boldly & brazenly are going against one of our unions...maybe this will light the fire under all our unions that we need a MAJOR STAND in a public forum.

mayor midget wants to break our unions at any cost...thank you Mayor Byrne for out contracts.

Any postings on here against our unions should be ignored nor even responded to...we know where they are coming from only to distract us.

Being a retired PO I really don't have a horse in this race, but none the less. The FOP Officers are still the Police. They still have police powers of arrest. If one were to take police action and be forced to use deadly force the Officer and the City would face serious liability issues. Some scum bag lawyer like Sam Adam Jr. would come along and argue that the FOP officer was not legally able to carry yet alone use his weapon for failure to abide by the State qualification requirement. Hate to side with the bosses but in principle they are right. However, how they're going about correcting the situation smacks of typical Daley style bullying. If the issue goes to arbitration the officers will surely win. J-Fed or whatever the fuck his name is will have some more egg on his Mt. Rushmore mug.

Stay safe boys and girls and go home to your families every day.

Tom C. 36 years on the greatest job in the world (at least it was years ago) and retired for 6. Thanks to one and all for your continued support of the pension program.

By maintaining records and annual qualification info on computer now, everything is a lot more accessible. It only takes a couple of key strokes to find out who has and hasn't qualified. It doesn't take much to generate a list. In the past, it would take quite an effort to generate the same info so it wasn't done. Also now, the range officer that conducted the qualification must enter the info and his/her name will become part of the record. How many of them are likely to stick their neck out falsifying something like this?

Anonymous said... THERE IS NO UNION Let it sink!! We are better off. Please let JFed and the city do the dirty work of getting rid of the useless FOP. Lets let it die and replace it with a real police union like PBPA.

8/19/2008 08:23:00 AM

You have no idea how hard old timers fought for nay bargaining unit. Ask how life was before FOP. It was criminal how street officers were treated by white shirts. Believe me, without a bargaining unit, daley and those exempt clouted pricks will destroy us.

Why in the hell are they choosing this nonsense fight with my union dues. Your a cop, shut your bullshit union mouth and go qualify just like the rest of us. I want my union dues to go toward something worth a shit, like a contract. Ya by the way they each had a gun at the last 3 police shooting that I was at.

Anonymous said... Off the topic: Is it true that the area 3 gang teams have the worst numbers citywide? Rumor has it 023 gangs was beaten badly by 020 and 016. Shame on 43X and the rest of those dogs over there.

8/19/2008 08:48:00 AM

Who cares about numbers? Really, get a life, maybe a girlfriend. Numbers are down city wide you goof.

The truly arrogant morons here are the FOP members for not following the rules. They allowed themselves to be placed into a position jeopardizing our future contract negotiations with unnecessary & costly arbitration for bullshit on their part.

If you read the blog...many have suggested running these crooks out of town. Do you think for a minute these jag offs won't react? Politics is a vicious game and they got all of our numbers. Be prepared to be fuck with starting with Employee Performance Ratings returning in 2009.

Now I am going to tell you something use everything in your power to turn this thing around for the good of the people. Expose their corruption immediately. If you know anything them report it to the proper authorities and the blog.

If you arrest one or a family members report it. Report everything. Your protected by the Whistle Blower Act. And brother they don't know what 13,500 pissed off coppers can do to this fucking city.

Members of FOP think about this, what if one of these guys (who are exempt from random drug testing) get into a shooting and maybe kill someone? They have not qualified so the city cuts them loose when the lawsuits fly, who has to defend them and pay if they loose, the FOP, you and me. Can the FOP afford to pay millions in a judgement against these officers who refuse to do what you and I do????

Why arent all of FOP stripped?? Maybe because the others qualified with their weapons, where is the leadership in FOP, why are they not all standing together???

SCC this thread has become very interesting. I have never seen it go so skewed against a topic. Call me paranoid but I think HQ is trying to hijack your blog and deep-six any good feelings against the FOP. The main point is that the 5th floor is trying to circumvent the contract and the majority of the comments are IN FAVOR of the 5th floor!!!! Call me paranoid, please delete my IP address.

J-PUD just keeps stepping on the proverbial dick. Not nice to fuck with Mother Union.

Whether you like FOP or not, ask anyone with time on this job about conditions previous to 1983and they will tell you that it was terrible without a union. They could fuck with you at will. You newbies would be crying!

And for you PAPB guys, PAPB might be a wonderful union, but if they break and get rid of FOP, what says you get to choose another representative? They hate FOP, they hate any union for that matter, and they will do everything they can to keep you from having a representative because they learned what a curse it is to have to deal with a union.

So a bird in the hand is a hell of a lot better than getting it stuck in your ass, over and over and over again!

Signed, Former COP member, former CPA member, & former AFL-CIO PaperHangers member, of which all tried to get us a union, but FOP was the one elected to do it, and do it they did and I am thankful to have them.

It is becoming painfully clear that this new administration is attempting to divide us at any cost. They are going to pit us against each other utilizing the issues they know will have us splitting sides. Cozzi, Non-IOD Limited Duty, Old Timers vs Rookies, personnel assigned to HQ vs Patrol, Merit Promotions, going after the union during negotiations, Wake Up People Before Its Too Late! Those of you who thought JFed was such a great guy, just wait, this is just the tip of the iceberg. I agree with those calling for a peaceful protest at city hall. Let's get off our collective asses and make some noise. Million man march, Immigrant rallies can gather massive crowds, can we not take a few hours out of our schedule to show our discontent?

Scc: Instead of the comment crap. Please write what happened. Two Lts. from IAD went to strip members of FOP? What two lts. from IAD? And, the Lts. of IAD went to strip FOP members b/c they did not qualify? If true, why not go qualify today and the saga is over?

I'm sure some of you really think that you'd be better off without FOP or you want to change unions.

But that's not gonna happen at this stage. It better not happen, or we'd be fucked. You guys have to figure out that the city is exploiting the non-qualifying issue to break us up.

But the sheer amount of "screw the FOP" posts makes me think we are being played by two factions.

1) city hall. Duh. That's the easy one.

2) other unions. They smell blood in the water and now they want to start collecting the fat dues income CPD represents. This is not the time to be making that decision.

BOTH of them are posting here, you can bet on that. Turn us against one another. Make us even more bitter and divided. Then the thinning of the herd may begin.

The thing is, we must hold together now until there is a contract. Accountability for qualifying/not qualifying can be settled later.

Maybe this is a nice lesson on apathy regarding union representation. Maybe some of us should stop just hanging around here, waiting for the next getting-old Lt Scotchbreath post, and do some running for FOP offices.

No matter who your union is, if the local/lodge is lame, the representation is, too.

Don't be manipulated by this union busting. Hold together. Be firm. F the fed.

As I understand it, CPD is not required to meet any State of Illinois standards. This is due to home rule. This is why we voluntarily shoot a 30 round course of fire instead of the state 50 round course. There were some years in the 70's where no one shot. . .When did all the inspectors qualify? I'm sure that most of 35th street didn't qualify. Let's strip them and make head quarters into a condo- It already has a great workout facility.

hahahhahahhahahhahahahhahahhahahhahahhahahaha.Now they are gettig fucked for a change.Hey fop rememer the wat you helped the guys on the BIS program,the same way we are going to help you.Now you wunt us to be upset,NOT.If you whould do ur job and cover us,then we would stand beside you.Get the guys on the BIS program some money.Just call Daley you know where he is,when you wake up every day hes in the bed with you.What happen did he give you the wet spot again.Cooter said hahahahahahhahahahhahhahahahahhaha.assholes

Good"now they see hiw us guys on the bis progran fells.I will support them the same way they did me"nothing.they can go fuck themselfs.they told me I can't file a lawsuit,I'm paviing the way for future guys.now the rooster has come home to roost.cootet said hey assholes.don't look for my help.they are a do for nothing asshole.hope to see them driving and the blow a redlight.

OK who is the retard that mastered the above statement? Hellen Keller?

Weis, along with the midget who brought him here, both are suffering from 'small penis syndrome'.

If Weis were a woman, he'd be a she suffering from 'no penis syndrome'.

Both conditions require a personality wanting what they don't have.

Both can only think about getting what they want, and will not entertain thoughts not directly conducive to that goal.

You cannot reason with the unreasonable.

You can only stand firm on your own reasonableness and let these little Napoleons throw their predictable fits and tantrums, until they, eventually, wear themselves out, knock themselves out or stroke themselves out.

When they've finally shot their wads, pat them on the top of their little heads, say "there, there, little baby, it's going to be alright, not getting your way won't be the end of the world.", and proceed to assert and apply your reasonableness, as you have been doing throughout their hissy fits.

No need to hate the little, misguided learning impaired of this world; pity them, as they don't know no better.

Just don't let the pity get in the way of swinging that belt when it's called for.

I was never an FOP guy. However most of the troops on the job now have no idea how the bosses used to screw us around before the FOP. Day off changes every week, shift changes every week, permanent watch assignments to screw with your job, school or most important family. if you had a decent boss you were OK. If they didn't like you or you weren't in the click everyday was an adventure. I'm not saying you have it better now because you don't. Without a contract or protection you'd be really at the mercy of the know nothing unqualified supervisors. Again I repeat I never was an FOP guy......

the funniest thing i see is when p.o.'s say they are on work slowdown.....to me that's the officer that never did work and wants other officers to be dogs like them....it's simple, do the work u sworn and get paid to do...u get paid good enough money now not to stop working

**Shut up. If we don't want to work, we won't. If you want to work, have at it.

Good"now they see hiw us guys on the bis progran fells.I will support them the same way they did me"nothing.they can go fuck themselfs.they told me I can't file a lawsuit,I'm paviing the way for future guys.now the rooster has come home to roost.cootet said hey assholes.don't look for my help.they are a do for nothing asshole.hope to see them driving and the blow a redlight.--------------WTF????? Do you speak English???

November 4th election day is approaching fast. the obama riots are coming across the country. Buy your rifles and ammo now. Protect your own property. It may be time for that IOD you never took. Screw the city, the midget and esspecially j-fed.

This is not an attack on the FOP; it’s an attack on each and every one of us. Wake up. I know everyone has complaints about the FOP and so do I, however were over a year without a contract, the city claims it’s broke, our union is in the middle of contract negotiations and J-Jerk-Off does this to our union leaders, man don’t fuck-up or your fucked. We need to organize and picket city hall, it works for the shit birds. We need to use the media like they use us. And to you guys that say let the union die, I’m not a real old timer but from what real old timers tell me, we had NO protection what so ever. The W/C could do whatever the hell he wanted. And if you were on the shit list you would be fucked over like you can’t imagine. I feel this is the city’s attempt to break our union and do whatever the hell they want to us. No overtime, no pension, no seniority, no steady watch, days off cancelled at will, furlough, PD and BFD lessened or lost entirely, no uniform allowance, no duty availability and so on and so on and so on. Were too expensive, hell they can’t afford to properly fund our pension now. Standing up for our union is standing up for US.

the funniest thing i see is when p.o.'s say they are on work slowdown.....to me that's the officer that never did work and wants other officers to be dogs like them....it's simple, do the work u sworn and get paid to do...u get paid good enough money now not to stop working

-----------------------------------MMMmmmmm........ sounds like the musings of a clout baby.

This is all looking very Childish to the people watching . This is like 2 schoolyard bullys woofing back and forth at each other. None of it makes our City Administration or our Department look at all professional. Thanks, all involved, for once again, making us all look like Assholes. The K.M.A. Club never looks as good as it does now. And, the OLYMPICS ??? Doesn't seem like at this stage of the game we could even handle a kids parade. All because of some of the supposedly highest educated, talented, sought out personnel in the country hired and promoted to run things here in Chicago.. And, of course, some of the highest paid employees, paid by Chicago Taxpayers as well. And this is where we are. Great City Management.. Hope you are all proud of yourselves, highly educated, talented, real professionals, = DOPES.....

I guarantee you that stripping the FOP 4 wasn't the idea of Skahill or Kirby. They were just the messengers. As head of IAD, I can understand Skahill being sent but sending Kirby makes no sense. Where was the chief of detectives or the ADS Patrol or any of the male exempts.

This has the prints of Mike Masters, Harvard wizkid, written all over it. You can bet he was ordered to find some way to f**k with FOP without subjecting the City to a charge of anti-union animus and what better way to do it.

BTW, these guys on not on "leave", they are merely detailed to the lodge. The Lodge reimburses the City for their salaries and benefits. They maintain their unit assignments on the A&A sheets and are carried as detailed.

Bottom line is, those FOP bitches get to comply with the yearly qualifications like everyone else.They thought they were being cute by refusing to get their fat lazy asses down to the range to requalify. What would happen to any of us for failing to qualify?I can tell you, a day off without pay. They want to carry, put some holes on the paper. Bitches!

Of course this is a petty strike at the union by the city. Isn't it obvious?

Of course these FOP idiots should have qualified, they still think their the police don't they?

Of course this is an embarrassment isn't it?

Of course this serves the alternate purpose of derailing the negotiation process, won't it?

Of course stalling negotiations was one of the impetus behind the move to strip. Makes sense doesn't it?

Of course this attack on the FOP dumbfucks who refused to qualify is an attack on contract protection. Painfully obvious, no?

Would any of the above be necessary if these dipshits just qualified when they were made aware of the situation weeks and weeks ago and prevented all this shit?

Would all of this shit just go away if these assholes went to the range tomorrow to qualify?

Are they gigantic assholes for consistantly refusing to do the simple task of qualifying after how many weeks of this bullshit?

Does everyone know that ED BURKE is also ON LEAVE from the CPD as a police officer and has been on leave for many many years?

Does everyone know that ED BURKE carries a gun from time to time?

Does everyone know ED BURKE hides behind the dual protection of the frivolous "aldermen are the primary peace officers of the city and as such may carry a weapon" and the FOP crying point that he still considers himself a cop even though he never really was one when he was here and has granted himself on leave for eons?

Is this an equal embarrassment for both the FOP and the City?

Will this end up costing us hundreds of thousands of dollars in our dues?

Will the FOP lose on the basis that they have to be active PO's to bargain for us and that they are not ON LEAVE from the department but only granted to be excused from daily police enforcement activity to act as FOP union reps?

Will the FOP lose on the basis that in order to remain a certified law enforcement officer in the state of illinois they are required by law to qualify annually?

Will the FOP assholes be required to qualify after they have spent thousands of dollars of our dues?

Will the FOP be funneling our dues money over to their attorney buddies for representing them in a case they are destined to lose out of stupidity and arrogance?

Will this taint the pool of arbitors that will eventually be ruling on our refused contract proposal?

Should we start rounding up new selections for FOP reps and get a list of qualifications we desire as union members and require the candidates to measure up to these qualifications?

Should we install a new FOP administration that will change the bylaws to allow the membership to control the way they do business?

Should that new FOP administration be required to use the monthly FOP propaganda rag to publish their monthly activity with accountable transparency?

Should they fight for every officer's rights at every instance whether they think they have a "winner" case or not?

Should the new administration be disallowed to partake in any state or national events until this membership and this union have regained a respectable level of credibility with the membership and the rest of the law enforcement community?

Sorry folks, even if this is true and the FOP folks didn't go qualify, shame on them and they should just go get it done. I'm still on the FOP side and not on the JFed/Daley shitty hall side. So glad I am in the KMA club.

boy, this leaves a SICK feeling in my stomach. Feels kind of like influenza. Its pretty contageous... Wonder what would happen if several thousand of Chicago's police felt the same way? What a disaster! Boy, I hope I feel better before NEW YEARS EVE.

"Attack on all of us" my ass! These four douchebags were ORDERED, after being asked numerous times, to go qualify and they told the Department that they don't have to answer to them anymore. BULLSHIT! A simple task that EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US has to follow got turned into a dick measuring contest...and guess what? Jody came out looking like John Holmes!

This is not "union busting". This is 4 members of a collective bargaining unit deciding that they can interpret the contract to benefit their own lazy asses! THEIR OFFICE IS WALKING DISTANCE TO THE F-ING RANGE!!!!

If I take a leave, I have turn in my star and I am not allowed to carry a gun. End of story. This one's a loser boys!

The city is getting exactly what they want from this. By all the comments they are dividing and conquering. Stop the pissin match, regardless if Bella, Fallon etc should shoot the rules only apply to some not all that are on leave. Wake up my fellow officers don't give the city what they want stick together. As a wise old Captain once told me you could beat them by using our contract and general orders against them that's if we bothered to read them and I'm guilty of that also but not anymore lets put on our think caps and give them some grief. Be safe one and all

Good"now they see hiw us guys on the bis progran fells.I will support them the same way they did me"nothing.they can go fuck themselfs.they told me I can't file a lawsuit,I'm paviing the way for future guys.now the rooster has come home to roost.cootet said hey assholes.don't look for my help.they are a do for nothing asshole.hope to see them driving and the blow a redlight

Dude, are you serious? Wow, thats all I can say. Wow....... I thought my contact lenses were slipping off my eyes.

"the funniest thing i see is when p.o.'s say they are on work slowdown.....to me that's the officer that never did work and wants other officers to be dogs like them....it's simple, do the work u sworn and get paid to do...u get paid good enough money now not to stop working"

SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE PUNK WHITESHIRT COMPANY SUCKHOLE. GO SUCK SOME MORE JAGJUICE YOU'RE A BARGAIN FOR THE CITY!!

Who's advising J-Fed?? Is it the 5year think-tank brainiacs or the should- have- been- indicted- with the- rest- of- them (SOS), former IAD cmdr? This whole command team is a comedy of errors. Can't wait to see what they are gonna pull out of the 'ol hat next.

Advise to anti-FOPers.....you're just as crazy if you don't back up the FOP now. We must stand together, everyone. Listen to those guys from the 70's and early 80's when officers were at the mercy of any boss. You never knew what watch you were going to be on or where you would get dumped to next. They would change your day off group at the snap of a finger, and you would be F*cked. If you want to go back to those days again, some 20 plus years ago, then you are an asshole chump.

Now we will have truly outsiders [private contractors like Oracle and Unisys] running the department based on political contributions and they don't care about any Police related issues or Officer safety issues!

To this moron who works in ISD and obviously has no skillset and is worried they're going back on the street:

The lamers working down in ISD on the programming side of Oracle applications are the absolute dregs of the Oracle certified community. Any individual who is Oracle trained and certified and has a good skill set gets paid much more than the civilian dropouts working for the CPD. The reason these people are here, is because they can't hack it in the competitive world of the private sector. Therefore, they show up here with their tail between their legs begging for measly crumb wages based solely on the little blurb on their resume that says they were certified by Oracle.

Obviously you haven't been using the garbage applications they've pumped out in the last few years or you'd know that what they produce is basically garbage and definitely NOT up to fortune 500 standards.

These people have been here for years, and are STILL just now learning how to use the development tools they've been given.

On the other side of the coin, the City does NOT have the funds or the inclination to pay the prevailing wage for quality DBA's and developers from Oracle's top pool of independent staff, and therefore will ALWAYS have the "learning disabled" reject developers who barely made it out of certification with a D -.If ANY of these people are subcontracted from oracle now, consider it a cruel joke played upon the CPD by Oracle, much like Castro did years ago when he sent us all his criminals. Daley won't pay for top subcontractors pal, and he never will.

As far as running the department, what makes you think information services division runs anything other than a coffee pot around here? They do as downtown tells them to and they do it poorly without any questions asked because it's always been City Hall friends running that bureau and it always will be.

If ISD had a drop of say so as to what they do, they'd be hiring quality developers who don't have to read Oracle DBA for dummies once a day to show them how to do their job, and they most certainly wouldn't be writing garbage applications for departments other than the CPD. ISD is the only unit in the city where they have amassed a minimal number of below average developers, who are required to pump out garbage for every city department daley wants to "computerize", whether ISD has the time to accomplish it or not.

So, when the day comes that ISD is running the department, I'll be going back to my commodore 64 and programming sprites to wave at me so I can go down there and show them how to load balance their servers, create flexible working applications with ANY level of reporting ability and show them how to stop using the entire department network as their personal learning tool by screwing with network configurations, browser security and useless search bar tools.

You, on the other hand, may wanna go shine your shoes, buy 2 black pens, a new baseball hat and a set of balls, 'cause dude, you're headed back to the street.

To call all you clowns who want to save $30.00, to call you asshats, would be an insult to all card carrying asshats worldwide. MTFU. Man The F*** Up! Dissolve the Union. Tons of meter maids on standby to take your place.

you idiots talking trash about fop and they should qualify with guns are missing the point- if the fop is gone YOUR FUCKED GUYS the city will fire you or replace you with some idiot for 10 bucks an hour just like they did with these traffic aids- those were our jobs at one time- wake up assholes and stick with the fop even if they suck because without them it will get a lot worse especially for you 2 yr wonders - your the first gone so keep making arrest you idiots and put your job and life on the line!

These people are active sworn law enforcement officers certified by the state of Illinois. They are required by law, as we ALL are, to certify their use of their weapon. Failing to do so, or refusing to do so for any reason, contact or not, is inexcusable.

If these officers want to consider themselves ON LEAVE from the department, they should have given their star & ID back to the department in which case they would NOT be sworn officers or legally allowed to carry a gun.

If they are NOT on leave from the department, they are obligated as we all are do qualify to keep their certification.

The blurb in the contract they're trying to HIDE behind does NOT cover their ass as they are trying to pervert it to. The ONLY thing it means is they get to work 8 hours a day at the FOP doing FOP shit rather than regular street or unit or police related duties.

Nowhere in that section does it say they are exempt from department rules and regs and nowhere does it say they can refuse to qualify.

This is an embarrassment to us all and a detriment to our negotiations.

It doesn't matter WHO started the bullshit, they are OBLIGATED to spend the 30 minutes once a year to qualify with the gun they want to hold on their hip.

Trying to pervert the contract to their benefit, or attempting to cry with the excuse that "someone else gets away with it why can't we?" is a pathetic crybaby position. This is the kind of childish attitude I'd expect from my seven year old and NOT someone holding themselves up to be the mouthpiece of the rank and file officers here.

End of story. Now quit wasting our dues and embarrassing us further with your petty bullshit FOP.

I'd be shocked to find that there aren't at least 6 or 7 good officers out here who are NOT considering running against these idiots in the next election.

And if this shit continues to snowball and further embarrass us, we should send a NO CONFIDENCE vote down to springfield and gethese idiots GONE.

8/19/2008 03:28:00 PM

Thank you for weighing in, MLAS Commander O'Neill. Did J-Fed or Kirby write this little speech for you? Back to sucking ass now, ya hear?

After reading some of the posts on this topic, Idea, how about a “No confidence,” protest at 35th Street about J-Jerk-Off.Think about it, we tell the media the troops have no confidence in his leadership, and nor should the citizens. Protest every day, pressure the citizenry and the Major to react. And then maybe protest the Mayor himself. Understand we don’t have the right to strike like most unions, which cripples our power. However let’s use the politician’s weakness to our advantage. The politician’s weakness is political pressure which equals sound arguments that are professionally presented at a public protest with media coverage. Tell the citizens the facts, murders and other crimes are way up and blame j-jerk-off and the mayor, let them react and look stupid. Think about it 13000 police officers telling the citizens j-jerk-off is ineffective, if it’s done in a professional fact based manner the people will listen and hopefully demand change.

If this is turning into some stupid pissing contest it should stop now. Send these reps to the range and be done with it. Union under attack my ass. This is an unnecessary side show that benefits nobody. Why would fop union reps think they are better than any other police officer in this state and are exempt from qualification? Although I do admire the IAD Lt's getting thrown out and threatened with arrest, that was admirable.

Good"now they see hiw us guys on the bis progran fells.I will support them the same way they did me"nothing.they can go fuck themselfs.they told me I can't file a lawsuit,I'm paviing the way for future guys.now the rooster has come home to roost.cootet said hey assholes.don't look for my help.they are a do for nothing asshole.hope to see them driving and the blow a redlight.

8/19/2008 10:05:00 AM

Newflash, Dickweed. N-O-B-O-D-Y is looking for your help. "The rooster has come home to roost?!?!?!" Are you fucking kidding? You are a blithering fucktard.

To the douchebag that told me on Friday that "Weiss really has the best interests of the blue shirts in mind.."You forgot to pull your head out of his ass when he made that sudden stop. Does he at least give you a reach around?

This is bad. It shows no respect for the FOP by J-fed. And it's true that this is a slap in the face to all of us. However, POs on duty disability are also on leaves of absence. They are NOT allowed to carry a weapon and the FOP has never made any effort to get this for them. I'm on duty disability and I've encountered persons I've arrested in my day to day life. We should all get to carry our weapons.

To those slamming the FOP...listen for a second before typing another flaming word.We are the FOP. Again, We, the sworn members of this Department below the rank of Sergeant, comprise the FOP. The FOP as an organization is not at fault. Rather, several of the members of our leadership failed to fulfill their obligations to us! Because they represent us, their failure is especially aggravating and will impact the whole. Still, they are merely representatives of our organization...and are not the organization unto themselves.Every sworn member should consider the above before posting regarding this thread. If you slam the FOP as a whole, you are throwing stones at yourself AND doing exactly what we deplore in the media when they continue to portray the poor decisions of one officer as reflective of the actions of the entire Department.

I, on several occasions, have been late to qualify due to circumstances that werent my fault... as a matter of fact, I once went 2 1/2 years without qualifying because the range was closed, the range was closed, OSHA closed the range, the range didnt have enough staff, the range was out of bullets, the range wasnt expecting me so I was RUDELY told to go away... bottom line, J Fed doesnt realize that if Bella et al wanna push the panic button they could certainly screw alot of folks who didnt qualify... ORRRRRRRRRRR bring to light the fact that the shitty doesnt make it easy or accomodating or a priority to qualify! If they look into it, Im certain Im not the only one who fell prey to this... our ranges are a joke our range instructors are a (merit) joke and our policies are a HUGE joke.... The fact is you sign that you received General Orders your first week in the academy under the guise you will be fired if you dont sign when you receive a very out dated version of the "general orders" right before you graduate... Is that right? No... but it is how this department runs you are expected to for go the little stuff, as a courtesy I suppose, but please know that by doing so will get you fired... ask the FOP guys again, another example of the City going after those who protect the little guys unreal

To 8:48am...No, shame on you for not having a life! You are one big loser! You are the typical busy body P.O. that is always worrying about what everyone else is doing. Hopefully when you get off of probation you will understand that working hard doesn't pay anymore with this new department! And no, I don't even work in A/3 or anywhere close for that matter. I just get tired of fools like you!

I am not a big F.O.P. fan,but all the negative shit on here about this makes me want to puke.If they are gone,realize, this fuckin city will crush everyone with no clout.What we have now is better than 25 years ago.If you do not like who is running the show, go to the meetings,bitch,run against them,or just shut the fuck up.

The FOP, being in positions of power and being representatives of Chicago Police interests, should be totally clean and lead by example. Unfortunately they don't realize that this means following the rules and regs that are set forth on this Department. Shame on them for leaving a crack for anyone to get through to admonish them. In this instance they are not showing leadership, they are showing entitlement and this is they type of thing we ALL are feeling pretty sick of.

There are pieces of the puzzle that are missing! smells like a fish.looks like thr fop might be pulling one over our eyes.Daley might behind this along with the fop.So lets take a real good look at this one guys.signed the real cooter

The fuck tard complaining about the BIS program works midnights in 019, he is upset that they did not remove him from the BIS program after the shooting he was apart of. Two PO's overheard this ass wipe runing of at the mouth about it. Way to use the a slain officers incident to get yourslf out of whatever BIS program your in. You are a disgrace and at the next chance you get, throw yourself in front of a bus;)

"To call all you clowns who want to save $30.00, to call you asshats, would be an insult to all card carrying asshats worldwide. MTFU. Man The F*** Up! Dissolve the Union. Tons of meter maids on standby to take your place.

To those of you that are complaining about the actions of the union officials, ie, they just should have qualified, your wrong. They've done what you pay them to do take a stand against the department for clear contractual violations. It is clear that the department routinely disregards various articles of the contract, without any punitive sanctions. If you recall a couple of weeks it was reported that JODY THE JAG blew his stack and said I'll fire them all, refering to the sworn of the department. What this seems to be is his calculated start in that direction to bring all the troops in line. If he succeeds in his actions against the union officials, who's next. You youngsters don't remember when you were on "bad paper" and were bounced from one side of the city to the other, each period. You don't know that DOGs were routinely changed sometimes weekly. If you were on "bad paper" your day off group was changed to Mon/Tues each time your weekends were coming up. JODY THE JAG and the clowns he brought with him, aided by the likes of scum like Kirby have little use for you. You should be supporting the union officials not condeming them. If the city gets away with this, I suggest you watch your asses and dot all the I's and T's, eventually "they" will then erode your rights on police shootings, CR investigations and any other issue that they feel they'd like to.

Hey Tim Fallon, tell me are you going to bring this grievance to the grievance committee so that they can take a vote to withdraw it like they do to all the ordinary P.O. 's grievances. No need to answer TF, I know the answer.

OFF TOPIC--- why is it that when you are murdered off duty, you don't get widows pension because it was not duty related, but when you royally screw up OFF duty in a bar or driving, you lose your job because you technically are never off duty.... am I missing something here? Is the City having it both ways as usual?

copskid 001 said...If you cant follow the simple rules of the job (Some may even call them laws in the most basic form) then how can you feel like you can enforce the rules (laws)....they should be stripped and fired..They cant meet minimum requirements for the job.

8/19/2008 08:33:00 AM

Hey, sounds like you need to talk to your dad... I hope he knocks some sense into you, copskid 001

I am NO fan of the FOP. I was all for the de-certification of them several years ago.

That being said, I think what J-Fed has done is utterly ridiculous and has done nothing more than add more nails to the coffin he put himself in. Jody, you can show up in every district, on every watch and rah, rah the troops. We are trained Bullshit detectors, and you Sir have all of our radars on high.

To the FOP. You all had better start marching your happy asses to every district and every watch to address this issue and our contract. The natives (in this case, US) are extremely restless and if a march is ever organized on City Hall better batten down the hatches down at the Hall - -cuz we're comin' down there next!

I think Weis should have all his exempt staff qualify in front of him and they get 1 chance to qualify, if not move to fire and decertify them. We might have 10 guys left, and yes I say 10 GUYS! I don't think skahill can see her gun past that FUPA of hers.

Please think about what I am writing.We need a union and the contract that the union obtains and enforces for us. Without it we would be at the absolute mercy of the department.We don't have the right to strike or the right to threaten a strike that greatly diminishes FOP's leverage in battling the city but it does not leave them totally powerless. Our union has obtained many rights for us.They are not in bed with the city.Conspiracy theories are easy to fall back on when you feel frustrated this one is dead wrong. The FOP recently obtained a right for us to use our comp time as we desire.What does the city do? Appeal the decision just to stall more.That is their main strategy stall stall stall. I swear to you the current FOP crew saved my job I have no juice no phone calls I am a 11 year beat cop.I was faced with a bullshit allegation the FOP hired Joe Roddy paid for him fought for me and got me reinstated although the department did stall an extra month after the judge issued a written court order. Now does that mean FOP can always do that no. The first critical aspect of the case was that I did not do what I was accused of. No semantics here I didn't do it period! Should the FOP guys qualify? Yes if you want to go by the strict interpretation of the rules.But don't tell me all the brass qualifies all commanders,dep chiefs,ads's come on!And though it's a different category do the aldermen qualify annually? Sure.There obviously was an unwritten agreement between the union and the dep't to not enforce this rule against them and now our slowdown has massivelly pissed off the mayor and dep't so they are fucking with FOP in retaliation.If you read the FOP newsletter you should know a few months back Bella specifically wrote DON'T DO PROACTIVE POLICING THINGS HAVE CHANGED THE DEP'T DOES NOT HAVE YOUR BACK. It personally does not affect me if FOP qualifies but it does personally affect me and all of us when the department makes a direct assault on the union representing me!!!!!This latest stunt by Jfed and Daley along with the rebirth of evaluations is proof to me that our slow down is working it is the only weapon we have to fight back with Keep it up!!!!!!!!! If we cave in now we are Fuc***.Stop being afraid ,stop fuc**** other coppers.Have some solidarity.As an example PO Isla from 15 refusing to allow me and my wife to cross the foot bridge over LSD to North Ave. beach to see the air show when we arrived late even after I descretly badged him he tells me walk down another block and use the tunnel but he then allows select females to cross.What crap is that.It's an example of why we need a union we don't stick together anymore even in the smallest matters.Put the rookies who came on in the last 2 years in check when they get out of line to many of them are no it all's with no wisdom.And as far as Jfeds b.s about getting us rifles who the hell cares they can give me a fucking bazooka but what good is it if we are continually sucked deeper into an atmosphere in which we can't do shit without being screwed over.

What the hell is the big deal about going two blocks from FOP Hall over to the Academy and shooting 30 rounds at a piece of paper ONCE A YEAR?

This is not only Department policy, it is Illinois State law! The law changed this year. How come Donahue and Dimaria did it and aren't among the stripped? sorry but this is a waste of time and our dues money.

This isn't a big deal, police should go shoot their gun once a damn year at paper, the FOP Officers should be first in line.

I am almost 60 and have many years on and I qualify as soon after Jan 1 as I can, get it done. If I held FOP elective office and were the union President I would march the entire office down there all at once and qualify during the 1st week in January.

Anonymous said... As I understand it, CPD is not required to meet any State of Illinois standards. This is due to home rule. This is why we voluntarily shoot a 30 round course of fire instead of the state 50 round course. There were some years in the 70's where no one shot. . .When did all the inspectors qualify? I'm sure that most of 35th street didn't qualify. Let's strip them and make head quarters into a condo- It already has a great workout facility.

8/19/2008 07:32:00 PM

And with the tilting floors and leaking roof it would be one heack of an amusement park! Another daley walsh contract!

Im on 15yrs and I say Flush FOP. YEs Lets replace them. No other police department has to go through the BS asskissing that this FOP does and I blame them for not taking action over the contract. We are the Press conferances or the rallys?? Nowhere to be seen.

since this shit all started with this guy people have been saying ... dont give this fucking guy any reason to fuck with you and thats how were gonna show our force ,answer your jobs, do paper when you have to but do no proactive police work,stay strong and dont get caught doing stupid shit like dui and our point will get acrossif this is all true about bella he should have known better but that being said we cannot let them do what ever they want to us. if they want us to follow the rules then they have to i say they can really piss us off and shit can get a whole lot worse for this shit hole we call a city with out it being said i think that we all know what needs to be done here lets stop calling each other names and follow some the actions mentioned here on this page if this is the route they want to travelwell lets let them see just how we feel

I've been coming to this blog for awhile now to get a pulse on whats going on. And theres one thing I've noticed when reading many posts, misplaced anger and resentment. My anger is not directed at the criminal because his job is to rape,murder steal and mame. My job is to catch him. Without him I'm out of work. My anger is not directed at the "revs" because their job is to make money thru any unscruplous means. My anger is not directed at parents and freinds of "victims" of police actions becasue their job is to defend their family and to badmouth us. If you or I had our chld killed or arrested we too would be supporting them lets not pretend we wouldn't. That's a parents job. My anger is not directed at the politicians because there job is to screw us over. Same goes for the brass.

Now my anger is directed at US. Black vs. white officer,male vs. female,merit vs. "legitimate", desk officer vs. field officer, unit vs. district, headquarters vs. patrol, revolver vs. automatic, The list goes on and on and on. They have divided US to the point that we are our own worst enemies. They will only do to us what we allow them. They know we are divided and will continue to place the wedge further dividing US.