5 Life Lessons from Real Social Dynamics

Several of you have asked for my take on the Real Social Dynamics and Julien nonsense. My assessment of RSD’s crisis management will not surprise regular readers, who know that links to Real Social Dynamics and PUAs like Jordan Harbinger are not allowed. In fact, I don’t promote any PUA company, as I do not respect the industry and never have.

But you can learn from a worm. Tyler Durden is teaching men how to crawl on your belly like a coward.

There are really more like five lessons from Real Social Dynamics. Those lessons are:

1. Lie rather than own your mistakes.

People get tired of hearing the same attacks over and over again. When you own up to your words and deeds, people move on. With each new lie, you open up a new attack.

Tell people you had no idea that videos you linked to contained the material you knew it contained. That will turn the tide!

2. Hide.

Don’t face your opponents or call them out for doing what you did – in some cases doing worse than you’ve done. Conflict is for betas. Alpha males like Owen Cook hide.

3. Say nothing when the media won’t give you favorable coverage.

If you have something to say, wait for permission. Someone must give voice to your words.

4. Quit.

Pretend that you are detached from outcomes like a Zen monk. Yet keep lying to prove that you’re protecting your ego and are very attached to outcomes.

5. Don’t fight for your guys.

Men spent thousands of dollars on your products and services. Now they will be known as people who love rape.

Always make sure you harm your customers and the people who supported you throughout the years. This is how you establish yourself as a leader who will be there for his men and will fight next to them.

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Right now I am trying to discover what an effective counter-attack strategy would be in the RSD situation. I guess it would be similar to what you did to the SJWs with GG. Call them out for the same thing they’re calling you out for. That seems to be the most effective move these days.

One thing I have recently learned is that people really show you their cards when they attack you. They show you what they value and where you can hurt them when they attack. If someone mocks a guy for being broke he probably takes great pride in his bank account. He is trying to put you down but he is really showing you his Achilles Heel.

Danger & Play Blog

The SJW going after those guys is a notorious racist and should have been called out for it. I would not have let a notorious racist attack me when she has said or done worse than I have.

I sure as hell wouldn’t fight for those guys. They don’t even fight for themselves or for the people who had looked up to them.

badmillennial

You’ve been living in LA for too long because this is extra gossipy man.

It gave off too much of a negative vibe for me, unlike your regular wildly-positive self.

But you made a killer point with this podcast, and I understand why you had clear your chest on the issue.

Danger & Play Blog

I don’t like thieves. When people repackage my content, I always go after them at the appropriate time. In some case the thieves get away with it for years. But I’m patient and wait for the right time to strike.

badmillennial

I completely understand. There’s a right time to unleash negativity in a directed manner, and RSD deserves what you serve them.

I know you’re still out there on the front lines fighting off SJW’s and thieves, killing em’ off for the smaller guys who can’t fight back nearly as well. It’s very bold work. And I applaud you for that.

Do your thing man. Just don’t forget about your more “regular” content in the future. The ass-kicking, life-changing kind of stuff. There was definitely some of that to be found in this podcast – it was just more difficult to extract because of the somewhat negative energy (rightfully so).

But like I said, you’re in a position that most men wouldn’t dare venture into. It’s a difficult position to manage, and you’re always free to say whatever the fuck you want to say, in whatever tone of voice that you choose. I’m just offering some friendly feedback as a loyal viewer of your website.

Danger & Play Blog

Thanks. This should be the last week of this stuff. It’s dying down now.

I’ve learned a lot about culture and the issues young guys are facing, however, so it’s worth it in the long run.

Young guys have it way worse than I ever could have imaged, and my advice on a lot of subjects is changing by the day.

badmillennial

As a young guy, I don’t like talking about these issues much either. However, it’s becoming a topic that we’re forced into talking about more and more each day. People HAVE to say something.

It’s great to see that you’re open-minded about what we’re facing.

I got my roommate into reading D&P recently, and he voice-recorded a sexual encounter for the first time the other night. I told him to take her out to breakfast, too. This is 21st-century America.

I’ve noticed that whenever someone uses that article in their smear campaign they always leave out one very important key word. The FALSE 6 word title sounds a lot more sinister than the actual 7 word title.

Johnn

Talking about thieves, for those who were too young to know: Owen Cook started his company by stealing the name Social Dynamics and all the pickup material from Mystery, whom he was living with in Project Hollywood.

Pieter C.

Julien is a disrespectful attention whore. There are a lot of guys like that and even more women that like that behavior. It’s not how I act or how I think a man should act, but this behavior makes sense when going out in venues filled with attention seeking women. This is like that Warmachine article you wrote, they fit together. A lot of women fit with a guy like Julien.

I find a lot of Owen Cook’s videos good. That company has half a dozen “instructors” and
guys will relate to one or two of them. It is free content and there is quality there. I say this because I needed a lot of help like this a decade ago. The mass media has always been bad, but it’s worse now than it was 10 years ago. Young guys need even the most basic guidance. This company probably avoided a few Elliot Rodgers style situations by getting guys laid… With some of the fatties that are talking trash about this in the comments!

Looking forward to the next posts and I am glad you still have your sanity after twittering against retards for so long!

Dokter Mayhem

The time where I play Devil’s Advocate… Again…

Bad as the fakers and has-beens and thieves like Tucker Max and RSD are, men following their advice is still infinitely better than staying on Blue Pill dating advice.

Costello

I’ve been discussing this on Twitter and I have come round to the idea that RSD’s figureheads have taken the idea of being adroit with women to a manic, almost sociopathic extreme. It has led to some of them, Julien for one, taking more and more extreme measures to attract and ‘open’ women. It’s not even about the women, it’s about the power they can now wield.

The problem is that they did not start from a foundation of strength so their homegrown ability to ‘close’ women had led them to developing an obsession-based dependency on their skills, constantly attempting to one-up their own material. Of course this is a banquet for SJW’s.

FlorianUlrich

Thanks for pointing this out, Mike.

I did follow RSD videos for a while in 2013 – Tyler D. gave some advice that I liked, about meditation, being true to yourself, working out and eating right, recommending good books etc.

For some reason, his advice did not seem to be relevant anymore after I discovered Goodlookingloser, Bold and Determined, Danger and play etc., and I literally stopped watching.

Why? Was the advice not good anymore?
I think despite all his advice, Tyler D. seemed an empty persona.

I look at BoldandDetermined.com, strengthbysonny.com, Goodlookingloser.com, Dangerandplay.com – and you guys are the real deal. You live what you teach.

Your advice also allows me to accept myself and grow. TD’s advice, on the other hand, becomes repetitive, and following it for a longer time, I just feel I am going in circles. That’s probably why I stopped watching his videos. I felt I had seen them all, even if there was a new video out.

Now, TD’s behavior is especially disappointing given how he praised Julien in his videos for his guts and his “approach machine” habit. You could have thought Julien was TD’s favorite coach, the “Wunderkind”. Now he just kicks him under the bus.

When Jezebel ran a hit piece on another RSD coach “Jeffy”, TD stood behind his coach. I guess this is now too big and threatens their company’s revenue.

Pretty shitty ethics. In the face of a real crisis, TD apparently lets his fear dictate his actions.

Danger & Play Blog

He may make some entertaining videos and retweet some cute memes. I’ll give him that. He doesn’t live what he teaches, however, as this crisis revealed.

This tells me he is lying and has no integrity when he talks about other subjects.

It’s true that once you find the real deal, everything else as seen as a cheap imitation.

“The ultimate measure of a man is not where
he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at
times of challenge and controversy”- MLK Jr.

I aspire be a man who stands strong in times of adversity. This is the only kind of strength that matters.

Danger & Play Blog

Correct. Anyone can walk around calling himself an alpha when times are good, he has money in his pocket, and people are butt kissing him. When adversity hits….That’s when a man’s soul is revealed.

Danger & Play Blog

Is someone who won’t defend himself, his friends, and his customers anything other than a punk? What word would you use to describe a person who lies, quits, and betray those among him?

narmno

Fair enough. Btw, good write-up. I think I should’ve been more supportive.

Danger & Play Blog

You’ve summarized the issues far better than I ever could have explained. This is fantastic!

ToTheVictor

Much appreciated.

But while I summarized them, you put it into action in the real world. As RSD perfectly illustrate, anyone can say the right things when you’re just happily blogging/writing away without any pressure. It’s about being able to do the right things when the pressure comes.

I love words. I understand how important words are. But when it comes to a mindset and a worldview words are just noises in the air or images on a screen. One can’t just write about the mindset in a blog post or pretend that you have that mindset when presenting an image that you think will attract women. You have to live it. You have to have that mindset even when the chips are down and things are going badly. Anyone can talk or write. You lived it. And living it is a better explanation than any words, however well written, can ever be.

Danger & Play Blog

Thank you. A lot of people were worried about how I would handle the crisis. I welcomed the fight as a way to prove myself to the guys.

There’s enough sunshine-and-unicons bullshit out there. D&P is for warriors who love conflict as it tests their souls and shows them what they are truly made of.

We certainly aren’t the right community for everyone, as this RSD stuff shows, but I couldn’t be happier with the guys who show up to D&P day after day and make themselves stronger and better men.

Thank you for being part of that community.

Danger & Play Blog

“I’ve read countless books on power that state when you respond, you’re making it a big deal and will simply prolong the time the attack is in the eyes of the public.”

Then those books are stupid and inferior to Danger & Play.

What happened in real life to the attacks on me? How long did they last?

I demonstrate the real world in real time. I don’t write some book based on my reading of some brand crisis. I jump into the fray and show how it’s done.

I showed what I did and shut the fucker Gawker people and other vultures down.

RSD got slapped in face (literally), losing visas, and they are lying about everything trying to cover stuff up.

The thieves at RSD needs to stop stealing from me and start applying my principles to his life.

Danger & Play Blog

People have told me they lose interest in “pick up” after reading Danger & Play, as people who live the principles find that women start coming to them. There’s no need for me to teach pick-up. People who live this lifestyle have a far greater problem – keeping the women away from them.

Samim S

Exactly. This happened to me. I was more of a drifter before with heavy ‘pick-up’ focus and sporadic success living a life of anxiety. Danger & Play has helped me live a life of ‘mission-focus’ living an abundant life of excitement and purpose.

Costello

Fantastic comment. RSD are guilty of forgetting that all publicity is good publicity, and instead of arming for war, lay down their swords.

Is a man that turns away from battle a role model? How can he even be a man?

Samim S

Mike, there is a drop in volume in this podcast compared to the previous ones.
I don’t see what RSD stands for – sometimes it is about state control, sometimes getting laid, sometimes being a man, sometimes being generally ‘social’. I am not a man whose focus drifts around here and there. Hence I don’t have any interest in their materiel as well. And the reverse is true for why I keep coming back to Danger & Play, because you stand for audacity and everything that it represents and you stay no matter what.
So even when you post on topics that are not in my core focus right now, I couldn’t help but feel drawn to it for the perfect example of what mission focus looks like.

Tobias

If you watch Juliens video involving the “choking opener” he clearly and several time states that in order to choke a girl on open and not get a negative reaction. He would establish eye contact, a good vibe, over emphasize his hand movement so she could back away (and if she did so would he and stop and apologize) AND when putting his hand on her neck he wouldn’t apply pressure so it wasn’t even really choking but mock choking. Of course you and everyone else in the media don’t watch his videos so i dont expect you to know that but its a pretty big point to leave out lol.

Danger & Play Blog

Good comment. As you note, RSD has points that it could be making. Instead they are hiding, lying, and being cowards. Your comment proves the entire point of my podcast and post. Thank you.

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I came to your blog through Victor Pride, and I like the content (I would encourage you to be even more explicit in your discussions of “The System”, as I think that you can use some more explicit/graphic examples, to further illustrate your points).

I have had personal experience w/ Owen Cook (both meeting him, and watching his products, and so on). His largest product, “The Blueprint”, is a twenty-hour video set, which is very similar to a lot of your own work.

It’s unfortunate that he let this guy (Julien) go on television, and represent his company so poorly, instead of Owen doing the interview him-self, and using his philosophy to wake people up to the possibility of empowerment, while (simultaneously) making the news anchor’s agenda look as transparent as it should have looked to any body who has ventured outside of “The System”.

It wouldn’t have very difficult, either. (“How many weeks has Fifty Shades of Grey been at the top of the best-seller list, have you had the author on to talk about their ‘immoral’ writing, yet?”)

I think you’ve made some nice points, and I would also consider that anybody

who has worked as hard as the people at Real Social Dynamics (specifically, Julien), has enormous potential, for either “cowardice”, as you put it, or other-wise.

The point being, that while you provide a lot of in-sight to this situation, being one of the few who are qualified through personal experience to comment on it, I would hope that your readers do not the stance of “yeah, screw the RSD guys, let’s alienate them”, because the reality is there is immense power through connection, and while they are certainly doing things that would be deemed un-ethical by many, I think the point here is to bring that to their attention in such a way that they will become a more valuable resource for the same community that every man is a part of, and so on.

With that said, two more points:

1) I think it probably would’ve been better for that Julien guy, not to even go on television, rather than go on, and act like that. The way he acted, not only (further) alien-ated the people who were just looking for something to be upset about, it also alien-nated people like your-self, and it alien-ated people who have the mind-set of self-respect, and living w/ out (false) apology.

2) Since these guys are reading your web-site, it would have actually been cool if you had written this piece as “An Open Letter To Owen Cook”, or something like that, and it may have encouraged some dialogue, etc.

Anyways, thanks for your writing, and your web-site certainly seems like one of the few self-development sites worth reading.

-A

AF

Also, am I the only one who was confused that Julien didn’t even TRY to reference the multiple videos that you can find of him on the internet, explicitly explaining that it is very important to back off if a woman EVER shows (real) resistance? Or that he didn’t demand those be shown on the show, as a condition for him to do the inter-view?

Tobias

The funny thing is that the things people actually did that people could go after are being ignored. They are mostly goign after him for things they imagined. Like raping, drugging and choking women.

Danger & Play Blog

Indeed. RSD is showing how to be a punk who lets others control the narrative. Great comment!

DunDunDun

Mike, you’re not making objectively valid points. You are definitely in the US vs THEM mentality, as your rhetoric suggests. I am a young guy and I have found value in their work and in your work, and to say that I shouldn’t come onto this site for that reason makes it sound like you’re just bitter. Have you forgotten the famous Bruce Lee quote? “Absorb what is useful. Discard what’s not.” Not everything you put out is gold or original. Not everything they put out is gold or original either. But I have learned from both.

To define your own audience is like trying to bite your own teeth – everyone is different. I don’t consider myself a piece of shit because I am willing to be more open minded. Remember your roots. You come from the same place as they did. The Red Pill community spawned from the PUA community – if you deny that, you’d be lying to yourself and to your audience. RSD evolved from the Mystery Method, as it was about natural game, inner game and personal development. It’s not a copy, but an evolution. The “Manosphere” evolved from the PUA community in a different direction.

My last point, you act like you have to stand up and fight to the death, but it’s better to pick your battles. That doesn’t make you a coward, it makes you intelligent. Only idiots are ready to die for reasons that aren’t worth it. So instead of all the Ad Hominem attacks, check yourself before ya wreck yourself, man. I bet a huge chunk of your listeners and audience members also read RSD. There is no need to be such a hater, it just makes you look butthurt.

Yours truly,
A dedicated fan refusing to be a YES MAN

Danger & Play Blog

You must be new here. I believe in the Law of Attraction and the Law of Rejection. I want to attract the right people and repel the wrong ones.

RSD is for punks. I don’t want punks at D&P.

Costello

If the tree is rotten at the core, the fruit will follow.

DunDunDun

Also, do you really think you were the sole inventor of sexual choking? Come on dude.

Danger & Play Blog

What do I have that you don’t have? Think. It’s called a referral log.

RSD traffic came to D&P. I saw it hit. Then suddenly Julien is all about “choke game.”

They perverted and debased it, however, and thus it makes everyone who enjoys consensual adult activities look like them.

Damn. It’s so weird to watch a guy do impressive things like excel in public speaking and start a multi-million dollar business and then fold like a napkin when faced with a conflict like this. Why is he unable to apply the skills he used to build the life he has now and apply them to fighting this fight?

Danger & Play Blog

Men who are weak of character surround themselves with Yes Men. They always fold once outside of that protective bubble.

Costello

Owen is fuelled by validation. His business is based on the validation his pickup obsession has provided, and his eloquent presentations are enabled by the validation of his audience showing up.

If he is not being validated, he has to resort to his default state and we can all see that it is one of poor stature.

Danger & Play Blog

Well said.

narmno

Three reasons:
(1) Fools generalize the particular. They know that “soft-nexting” (ignoring a girl for a while) can work sometimes; they foolishly generalize this to refusing to engage with the entire world. They know girls like people who seem happy and awesome; they generalize this to lying to themselves. (D&P, on the other hand, knows that it starts with yourself. With your mindset.)
(2) You are who you hang out with. The guy hangs out with losers all the time. Of course he will adopt their loser mentalities. Nobody keeps him in line. (D&P, on the other hand, practices the Law of Rejection.)
(3) Change is hard. Some things are impossible. Some people aren’t born leaders. Personality is 10% parenting, 40% peer group (see #2) and 50% genetics. It’s just the truth. Some people (perhaps Cook) sadly can’t become strong leaders, no matter how hard they try.

I’d love to see the comments on that thread – unfortunately it says access denied

BK

Bro, I love your site….unfortunately you speak with a lisp and sound like a homosexual. This is the first time I have heard your voice and I am pretty shocked, given that you discuss masculinity and how to be a better man. You do not sound at all like someone I would ever want to follow. Improve the way you speak and your voice will be better heard.

Bob

The biggest fallacy of PUA is the debasement of a man’s character in order to sleep with loose women. Today’s women in bars are the equivalent to prostitutes in the old days. Men would never play clown game to get a prostitute, they would simply ask them to follow them and pay them to leave.

A real woman will love a man’s character and would never want to see him beg for anything or play a fool.

Today’s pool of single women have no morals or integrity so trying to impress them is akin to trying to impress a prostitute. It’s not worth the loss of Self and character.

Better to stay single and pay for prostitutes (when legal) then to debase yourself for a woman who will sleep with the next man in line regardless of your “performance” to get her.

greek god

I once followed RSD videos and watched during a low point in 2012. No direction or idea what I was doing @ 24. I then saw some “infield video” of one the instructors acting like a goon in the club. Quite a lot of jumping around and look @ me behavior. This is the sizzle when people really want to learn how to be the “steak”. Another way of putting this is long term subsistence over a momentary flash.

Mike is attacking Cook because he has no credibility. Lets look at this in a business case. Cook is GE (parent company) and Julien is GE Aviation (Subsidiary). The parent company touts the subsidiary for years while enjoying the profits until one day the subsidiary product fails and using the above example people die.

GE has to own it’s subs failure and back its product while taking the blame and recommitting to learn from the mistakes.

Cook didn’t do that and his customers now smell a rat. How can you ask anyone to pay you money if you can’t stand behind your product? You can’t because its bullshit.

Where does Mike fit into this? He helps us become the steak as opposed to the flash.

Good day, gentleman.

Client

Warning: former RSD client rant coming up.

I will no longer be attending any events or associating with any of the people I have met through them. I did not agree with many of the things Tyler and Julien said, but I did like a lot of Alex’s stuff. However, despite Alex’s good material, the brand of RSD has been so corrupted it’s ridiculous.

Tyler went from “All good, I spoke with Julien about the vid and gave him the go ahead” to “I thought the vid was stupid and so is Julien for putting it up” to “I disagree with the vid completely” to … absolutely nothing at all. He wrote a sticky with the latest viewpoint on rsdnation but it’s now gone. Any thread mentioning the saga is gone. He is truly spineless.

You’re completely right in saying that anyone who comes out as a client as his is going to be accused of being a rapist, and he did NOTHING. The thought of that makes me sick. I want a future in politics (call me naive, but I want to try and fix this madness that we call modern society) and this is going to be a huge headache for me to deal with.

The choking thing is a bit over the top to do off a pure cold approach in the street, got no problem doing it in the bedroom or whatever as long as the girl seems down. I’ve been poking around your site and I realize there’s a ton of stuff that I could do and haven’t been doing in order to meet girls.

Again there certainly is merit in some of the advice they give (particularly Alex, who btw wrote a post saying how disappointed he was with Julien and about how he hates the undercurrent of misogyny in the company, before he deleted it). But can’t believe that it needs to be distilled down to a set of principles that is as complicated as learning a bloody martial art.

Being a former bootcamp alumni I have heard tons of things about them that are not so nice (won’t go into detail here) but I always stayed with them. I would either attribute it to one of Tyler’s theories on life or just rationalize that it was my friend telling the story, that HE was the deluded one.

Anyways I’ll end the rant here. Glad to put the last two years of my life behind me, and I’m just going to work on my confidence, body, lifestyle, and career. Time to go live a little.

Danger & Play Blog

Yep; thanks for this. A leader stands next to his guys when they are attacked. Live and learn.

Jay

Hi Mike,

I’m a supporter of your views and in the dissemination of your red pill ideas. Because of you and others, more and more men are waking up to the truth of what’s really going on in our society.

But I’m also a supported of RSD Owen and after listening to him give his own reasons as to why he doesn’t engage the mainstream media, I can see why he has not been more outspoken in the past few days and weeks.

You are an intelligent and seemingly fair man, even if you don’t like him personally, you should at least hear him out his on why he doesn’t/hasn’t responded to these attacks. On October 15th or so, he posted a video on this very topic (before the incidents) and I think people should at least listen to his reasoning and then make up their own minds.

The youtube clip is here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEsr6XoACHs. (title is “secrets of social conditioning”) He makes good points and uses the example of what recently happened with the Stephen A. Smith to further his ideas. At the very least, just hear the guy out.

His ideas is how the mainstream media and masses are not capable of nuanced points or ideas, so he chooses to not engage them. Before judgment, just listen to the guy then think what you will.

Danger & Play Blog

Why is Owen Cook having his lawyer make bogus lawsuit threats against small companies? Do you support this act of censorship?

(2) My BS meter went off watching the first couple minutes. E.g. Cook says “you aren’t allowed to make nuanced points,” but there’s plenty of nuance online. It’s more that on sensitive topics (race, sex, etc.), expressing certain nuances open you up to attack. So, the solution is to listen to the attacks and say the nuanced points differently. (You may find that you don’t need to roll in the filth at all.) And if you really must say something that opens you up to attack, have a purpose behind it, learn the dynamics of how people will attack you and be strategic. The stuff on this site (actionable tactics, strategy, understanding the landscape, etc.) is light-years ahead of what Cook is saying, even if Cook may help many men. Cook may be savvier than an SJW, but that’s not saying much. I wouldn’t trust his media strategy.

PS– My BS meter also went off when I first heard Harbinger. He seemed like a vapid blowhard. It didn’t surprise me when I read he was a fraud on D&P.

Jay

As to Mike’s question as to why they filed that lawsuit, I have no idea. And yes, I can see why he (Mike) would be alarmed by that. Then again, I’m only writing as to why I think he has not made any attempts at qualifying himself via mainstream media outlets. As to your point (narmo) about making nuanced points…well…you are missing the point.

What he is saying is that those who follow mainstream media (and the mainstream in general) are dummies and are not capable of grasping nuanced ideas. Therefore, he does not even try to convince or win them over by presenting nuanced ideas to them via mainstream media. Do you understand this…or should I dumb it down for you?

And…yes D&P presents nuanced ideas (as do many red pill sites) but D&P IS NOT MAINSTREAM at the moment and is not clickbait material for non-thinking MAINSTREAM DUMMIES.

Finally, being nothing more than a simple commenter yourself, please refrain from elaborating on what you think D&P has or hasn’t the time to see/read, as if you’re some self-proclaimed spokesman. He can decide for himself without having some random schmo acting as some kind of a gatekeeper. I think we would all agree: the goal of D&P is not to create little sycophants so try being your own man as opposed to someone else’s doorman.

narmno

Thanks for adding balance to the conversation. To clarify, I don’t go so far as to say Cook is wrong. Simply, the way he presents his ideas makes me question the maturity of his perspective. (“BS sensor” is the cruder term haha.)

As to your observation of “non-thinking dummies,” realize that “not thinking” is often good. It frees you up to focus on your own endeavors. Although there certainly are valid points to be made regarding the mainstream perspective, one must make them in a careful way. Fighting the mainstream narrative is less important than having a healthy mindset.

GammaWolf

I agree that they should defend their customers, but feeding the trolls is pointless.

Vinay Hiremath

Hey Mike,

I’ve been following Owen’s stuff on meditation and social conditioning (not his specific advice on pickup per say), but this has been eye opening. I agree that his response to the whole fiasco has been extremely disappointing to me, and, even though I know I’ve gotten value out of some of his videos, I’m now faced with having to re-examine exactly what that value delivered was and whether I believe it again.

I’m typically vehemently against most pickup artists, but I’ve been following Simple Pickup for a long time now. What they preach I’ve found to be extremely organic, and their ideals about interacting with girls (and people in general) does not follow a scripted line/set of routines. They simply point out typical things you’ll experience when hitting on girls (shit tests, resistance to physical escalation and how to pull back and persist later, etc.), and it allows me to form my values and beliefs about what matters to me without it affecting how I go about approaching the idea of women in my life. What are your thoughts on Simple Pickup? I’m subscribed to Project Go – where they show you infield footage of them tackling different aspects of vibing with girls – and these guys are definitely living what they teach.

P.S. – I really appreciate the good material. I listen to D&P podcasts on the way to work. 🙂

Vinay

nhigsbenhiggin

Seriously. You came up with the idea of erotic choking? I can’t listen to another word after that.

Alex

I enjoyed their program The Blueprint, it was phenominal, but after I investigated their forums and etc, I found the movement was not what was portrayed in that product, and lost interest.

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