IF it has gps will it be able to hover by itself ? Or fly round a set course like a uav?

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Subject: Re: BLACK VORTEX flight controller Sat Dec 24, 2011 2:36 pm

so iv read it will hover by itself and fly round a set course just the same as a uav? but mutch easer to set up dont forget iv got a uav board and i still cannot set it up and i cannot sell it ether lol

it also will use all the MegaPirate GPS cods and programs so you should beabull to this with it

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Subject: Re: BLACK VORTEX flight controller Sat Dec 24, 2011 11:31 pm

It looks dangerous to me

It has no awareness to anything else around it and no collision avoidance.

It could be miles away, guided by GPS without pilot input what if it flew into a light aircraft or low flying military jet ?

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Subject: Re: BLACK VORTEX flight controller Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:05 am

Paul L wrote:

It looks dangerous to me

It has no awareness to anything else around it and no collision avoidance.

It could be miles away, guided by GPS without pilot input what if it flew into a light aircraft or low flying military jet ?

light aircraft can only fly below 4000 feet when coming to land so thay should be ok low flying military jet well where i live i dont know how meney times they have allmost took my planes out and i was flying it my sellf i think to be honist it should be quite good flying one

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Subject: Re: BLACK VORTEX flight controller Sun Dec 25, 2011 5:02 am

Not true. many aircraft do fly below 1000ft

Your GPS controlled model is classed as a "Small Unmanned Aircraft"and no longer a Model Aircraft.

"4.1 The aim of this policy statement is to clarify the position of the CAA in respect of itsrole in assisting the UAS industry to find a solution to achieving a capability and levelof safety which is equivalent to the existing 'see and avoid' concept. It is alsorecognised that Sense and Avoid is only one of a number of requirements that willneed to be addressed for safe operation of UAS.

5.1.2 The separation and collision avoidance capabilities must be able to:• Detect and avoid traffic (air and ground operations) iaw Rules of the Air;• Detect and avoid all airborne objects, including gliders, hang-gliders, paragliders,microlights, balloons, parachutists etc;• Avoid hazardous weather;• Detect and avoid terrain and other obstacles;• Perform equivalent functions, such as maintaining separation, spacing andsequencing that would be done visually in a manned aircraft."

"NOTE 3: Further Constraints the CAA May Think Fit to ApplyFurther constraints the CAA may think fit will normally include a prohibitionon flight:a) at a distance beyond the direct unaided visual range of the pilot/operatorof the said aircraft and in any event at a distance exceeding 500 metresfrom the pilot;b) within a specified distance, normally 150 metres, of any congested areaof a city, town or settlement;c) within a specified distance, normally 50 metres, of any person, vessel,vehicle or structure not under the control of the aircraft operator exceptthat during the takeoff or landing an aircraft to which this subparagraphapplies shall not fly within 30 metres of any person other than the personin charge of the said aircraft or a person in charge of any other smallaircraft or a person necessarily present in connection with the operationof such an aircraft;d) unless the aircraft is equipped with a mechanism that will cause the saidaircraft to land in the event of a failure of or disruption to any of its controlsystems, including the radio link, and the person in charge of the saidaircraft has satisfied himself that such mechanism is in working orderbefore the aircraft commences its flight."

As you see it's a Minefield , you would need a Lawyer to give a full answer

I'm in No way an expert on this, but I do see potential problems.

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Subject: Re: BLACK VORTEX flight controller Sun Dec 25, 2011 10:23 am

well i have a paraglider in my house and that is massive its a full flying sorce i can sit on the seat and fly in the uk with no training and no help and there is no licence in the uk for that at all even a novice can fly it and any one brave enough to fly one can buy one and take it up and i think that must be much more of a problem for jets or aircraft and that is defintly f,p,v and by the way light aircraft fling lane is 4000 feet i know this because below 4000 feet is for power microlights and thing that go in to that catagrey

so i understand what you are saying and im greatful for all the info but i just cannot see any problems with a quad flying under radio even if it has a gps with it any way all out there and you Paul L

happy xmas and please have a good new year x x x x x x x x x x from ron and the wife pauline

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Subject: Re: BLACK VORTEX flight controller Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:10 pm

As a qualified Hang Glider pilot I'd advise you would be a foolto fly that Paraglider without training or instruction.I have seen the broken limbs due to that.Contact the BHPA for a list of instructors and Flying Schools.http://www.bhpa.co.uk/The local club is The North Yorks Sailwing Clubhttp://www.nysc.org.uk/

One major accident with any public GPS Controlled model aircraft (UAV)will likely mean the CAA banning all such activity.

Sorry Ron , I don't intend to put you down or stop you having funjust want you to be aware of the dangers.

Have a great xmas Paul

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Subject: Re: BLACK VORTEX flight controller Sun Dec 25, 2011 10:23 pm

Flying Schools. BHPA i would not recomend them as there has been so much with the BHPA please look at the history they have on the net for deaths and accidents

i would recomend this man for the price and experiance he is a great guy to know and train with and ill be going to scotland for 3 weeks flying with him in the summer and i cannot wait

also did you know BHPA Flying Schools. for paragliders the instructer does not have to have any flying experiance just a righten exam please check this on the net

and buy the way i have rearched this and i would never take my life for granted it can be dangrus so please think befor you think about flying a big wing glider

just want you to be aware of the dangers. of the BHPA Flying Schools

any way sorry for going off the subject this is not about x coptors and fun things lol

now back to the subject iv bought this and i will say i will be flying it as i have 250 acres of ground to fly on with permmition to do so ,,so i really will have to stay up here with it but never mind i would have liked to of come to your club and have a fly with you lot and let you see it and what it could do but i understand you would not want to see this in action and it would be bracking your polices never mind ill be doing a video as soon as i can for you all

every one have a good xmas from ron and family

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Subject: Re: BLACK VORTEX flight controller Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:31 am

I trained at a BHPA School I flew Hang Gliders for 10+ years100's of hours flight time.

My experience of the BHPA training scheme is nothing like the Ebay advert.I also knew many people who trained with the BHPA scheme.

Active Edge Paragliding & Paramotoring is a British Hang Gliding and Paragliding Association (BHPA) registered school based in the Yorkshire Dales, England. It's run by one of the most experienced BHPA Senior Paragliding Instructors and multiple British Paragliding Champion pilot, Dean Crosby. He's the only pilot in the UK to compete at National level in all three soaring disciplines, paragliding, hang gliding and gliding.

He has been teaching HG and PG for over 25 years. you should talk to Dean he has flown in this area many times.

It's your choice , but talk to other Pilots firstThe North Yorks Sailwing Club Club meeting 1st Monday of each month, Blackwell OX Carlton in Cleveland.

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Subject: Re: BLACK VORTEX flight controller Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:51 am

Paul L BHPA training scheme cost a lot of money for a littal training iv been offerd 3 weeks traning with that other man for just £600 thats a full 3 weeks bed and breckfast and every thing how can i loos haaaaaa hepl im faling no not realey it dont matter how is the training person as long as i the experians is there for my now if i was to get the traning from BHPA i just could not aford it i think its somthing like £150 for one hour so as im a pore man ill take the 3 week cours it works out a lot better and a lot cheeper ill strugal to get the 600 but my mom always told me if theres a will theres a way

now can we please keep this to the BLACK VORTEX flight controller please any feedback welcom I'm not Purrfect ether ! with my spelings but life will go on

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Subject: Re: BLACK VORTEX flight controller Mon Dec 26, 2011 8:56 am

nuff said

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Subject: Re: BLACK VORTEX flight controller Mon Dec 26, 2011 9:09 am

here it is ther own rulls and things to make you pay more out ,,,read i have my oun wing can i use it then it says as long as we say you can now thats what i dont like at all that red tape where it is not needed

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Subject: Re: BLACK VORTEX flight controller Mon Dec 26, 2011 9:14 am

It's NOT to make you pay more Ron

It's to ensure your Glider is Airworthy

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Subject: Re: BLACK VORTEX flight controller Mon Dec 26, 2011 9:59 am

ok bud i do understan what you are saying and iv had my glider tested its lets say like a mot but your not ther with it i had to send it away for the mot lol and the good news was it past first time lol

im now looking for a para motor for my wing lol saves running back up the hills lol any way bud have a good new year and in the summer i might see you in the air when you are Hang Gliding all the best from ron