Originally posted by Alex
I'm sure many of you have been following the situation in Iraq. I'd like to know from you Americans whether you think the airstrikes are enough to deal with those ISIS bastards.

I've read and heard on the news that ISIS murders innocents and even kids. Is this true or is the media overplaying it?

afaik the bombings are giving an opening to iraqi and kurdish troop action on the ground.

Originally posted by Alex
I'm sure many of you have been following the situation in Iraq. I'd like to know from you Americans whether you think the airstrikes are enough to deal with those ISIS bastards.

I've read and heard on the news that ISIS murders innocents and even kids. Is this true or is the media overplaying it?

Seeing that they post fucking pics of their atrocities on Twitter I doubt it's being over played that much.

Airstrikes along with guidance from SOF to Kurdish fighters is going to do a lot. Rememberthese fuck heads have bbasically been fighting Syrian rejects and other barely trained people. Once they get a taste of full spectrum combat that they can't oppose in any real fashion their veracity is going to want significantly.

Aug-11-2014 05:25

AlexSuck a cheetah's dick

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Location: Montreal

Obviously killing is bad and stuff, but I can't help shake this feeling that I want the US to wipe these guys off the face of the earth. I heard that like upwards of 60 kids have died in the mountains now because they've been forced up there by ISIS.

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Aug-11-2014 05:31

Joss WeatherbySupreme tranceaddict

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There really hasn't been a clear cut bad guy in a while, but ISIS is definitely one. Even al Queda thought they were too extreme.

Aug-11-2014 05:41

AlexSuck a cheetah's dick

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Maybe you can answer this, but what the fuck is a hellfire missile and how effective is it at killing bad guys? They're launched from drones right?

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Aug-11-2014 05:46

Spacey OrangeHypnautic Beats Addict

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Location: Left Coast is the best coast.

i'd be careful about what to believe

quote:

The Kuwaiti Incubator Baby Hoax

A key event in generating momentum for the first U.S. War on Iraq, "Operation Desert Storm" was a fraudulent report of the murder of Kuwaiti babies by Iraqi soldiers. On October 10, 1990, the U.S. Congressional Human Rights Caucus held a hearing on the subject of Iraqi human rights violations. The centerpiece of the event was the emotional testimony of a 15-year-old Kuwaiti girl, known only by her first name, Nayirah. Her full name was supposedly being kept secret to protect her from Iraqi reprisals. The girl relayed a shocking story while sobbing.

I volunteered at the al-Addan hospital. While I was there, I saw the Iraqi soldiers come into the hospital with guns, and go into the room where . . . babies were in incubators. They took the babies out of the incubators, took the incubators, and left the babies on the cold floor to die.
The massacre never occurred. The girl was actually the daughter of a Kuwaiti emir, and had been coached by the public relations firm Hill and Knowlton to give persuasive false testimony.

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title: How PR Sold the War in the Persian Gulf
authors: John Stauber and Sheldon Rampton
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In fact, the most emotionally moving testimony on October 10 came from a 15-year-old Kuwaiti girl, known only by her first name of Nayirah. According to the Caucus, Nayirah's full name was being kept confidential to prevent Iraqi reprisals against her family in occupied Kuwait. Sobbing, she described what she had seen with her own eyes in a hospital in Kuwait City. Her written testimony was passed out in a media kit prepared by Citizens for a Free Kuwait.
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Three months passed between Nayirah's testimony and the start of the war. During those months, the story of babies torn from their incubators was repeated over and over again. President Bush told the story. It was recited as fact in Congressional testimony, on TV and radio talk shows, and at the UN Security Council. "Of all the accusations made against the dictator," MacArthur observed, "none had more impact on American public opinion than the one about Iraqi soldiers removing 312 babies from their incubators and leaving them to die on the cold hospital floors of Kuwait City."
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Yea except the bad guys are saying they are doing this shit then posting picture of it on social media.

Aug-11-2014 06:09

Joss WeatherbySupreme tranceaddict

Registered: May 2008
Location: The Pacific Northwest, of course

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Originally posted by Alex
Maybe you can answer this, but what the fuck is a hellfire missile and how effective is it at killing bad guys? They're launched from drones right?

Originally designed to kill tanks and fired from both the Apache and the Cobra attack helicopters, the Hellfires most commonly used these days are variations that use a blast fragmentation warhead and can generally kill or disable a soft target up to 20m away. The ones being used in Iraq are laser guided. And most are fired from drones.

I actually wrote a detailed simulation of the AGM-114L Hellfire a few years ago and consulted a number of users. It's a pretty capable weapons system.

Aug-11-2014 06:14

Spacey OrangeHypnautic Beats Addict

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Location: Left Coast is the best coast.

quote:

Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Yea except the bad guys are saying they are doing this shit then posting picture of it on social media.

ISIS is largely equipped with the weaponry we bestowed upon the Iraqi Security Forces that they promptly ditched, fleeing for their lives. So basically both sides are armed to the teeth with shit we gave them. What can possibly go wrong, again?

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