imho, turn based has nothing on real time. but apparently the masses disagree, i know a ton of super casual gamers who only have Steam accounts to play Civ on. they gotta be doing something right over there

This is only true if you are considering competitive gameplay. It is also probably not the most entertaining to be watching someone play a 10 hour civ 5 game compared to a 20-60 minute starcraft 2 game.

In turn based you can afford a lot more mistakes as well compared to RTS where one mistake can cost you a game.

Father of computer strategy games, I believe that title belongs to Warcraft.

Nope.

The real father of modern day RTS games like Warcraft/Starcraft/CnC et al is Dune II.

Civ and the like aren't even in the same vein of games, if you want to see the genres converge you should play Sins of a Solar Empire.

And for all the Civ 5 haters, I love it. I can't really get into the games much at all but I can sit there for hours and play Civ 5. Insanely addicting, and it doesn't bog me down in a bunch of mundane junk.

imho, turn based has nothing on real time. but apparently the masses disagree, i know a ton of super casual gamers who only have Steam accounts to play Civ on. they gotta be doing something right over there

I agree, however i like games like Total War, which are a combination fo Real-time and Turn-based, buti bought Civ 4: colonies for 50 cents at a yard sale and i didnt really like the game but i was only out 2 quarters so hey, i think it was worth at least that. I just couldnt get into the game