I don't watch that much ESPN, but last night at 6:30 was the first time I saw someone on the network directly say they didn't think Paterno should finish out the year. SVP was clearly disturbed by the story as early as Monday afternoon, but all week there was a constant thread of people surrounding him on his show who just didn't seem to get it (he himself never really stated a strong opinion either)--as late as yesterday afternoon his guest Joe Schad expressed his opinion that Paterno should be allowed to finish the season.

Following the press conference last night, people like Fowler & Herbstreit, who, IIRC, had much more wishy-washy takes on the story earlier in the week, finally found some moral high ground. Same with Kornheiser & Wilbon on PTI a few hours before. And I have a hard time believing all these talking heads stumbled upon that moral high ground without being directed there by their late and slow-reacting corporate overlords.

Yeah, I've actually listened to a fair amount of SVP this week because Bomani still doesn't have a damned show and I thought he was very strong on it. Guest ranging from Ben Jones to Wetzel (seriously, amazed ESPN lets him have the Yahoo guys on).

I can't comment on the rest because I've avoided it.

Much like I avoided Jason Whitlock on MSNBC last night commenting on this.

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Also, I think guys like Fowler, Herby, etc have no opinion till their talking heads give them on. This feeds into the recent mass exodus of talented writers from the web-site (Amy Nelson, Feldman, FORDE!!!).

The fact that the opinions expressed on ESPN as expected to fit a corporate mantra is becoming clearer by the day and some guys are most certainly scared to take a stance on a touchy issue before corporate gives them the okay, IMO.

I am driving around one day at lunch and usually have Jim Rome or ESPN Radio going (Scott Van Pelt) and Ryen Rusillo. Anyway, the content that day was crap or else there was dead air time and I am flipping through my radio and Alex Jones is on... Screaming about rich people in power paying for sex with minors.

All I could think was what a fucking nut-job and turned it off. And he is... However it makes me wonder, what the Fuck is going on? The fact that there could even be a market for this is horrific. Last Saturday night I couldn't have imagined anything worse, and now this? Apparently I am not creative enough.... How the hell do they find each other?

Sorry, but I cant even make it through that bullshit having read what they said about the James/TT coverage.

They shouldn't be held as credible at any point after that.And I felt that way long before a few days ago.

Good lord, I'm not claiming some Ombudsman coming after ESPN's deplorable job here makes the Network credible, but don't be an asshole.

Anytime they get internal strife against them it's good. Probably won't amount to a damn thing but it's worth a head nod. And no, they didn't fucking go read Ramzy's piece then have their Ombudsman copy it.

I didn't say copy it, and I agree it likely has nothing to do with Ramzy's piece. I'm saying this exact omsbudsman(not "some") has no crediblility, so who gives a fuck. Sure great, they roasted ESPN this time while missing the boat for coutless others. I'm sure that will move the needle on ESPN's fake news reporting.

Case and point: While this story was in another stratospere, the James case was a far greater case of ESPN not objectively reporting while mascarading as a news network. In this case they were a bit late on the coverage, not in complete and total conflict of interest.

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e0y2e3 wrote:Also, I think guys like Fowler, Herby, etc have no opinion till their talking heads give them on. This feeds into the recent mass exodus of talented writers from the web-site (Amy Nelson, Feldman, FORDE!!!).

The fact that the opinions expressed on ESPN as expected to fit a corporate mantra is becoming clearer by the day and some guys are most certainly scared to take a stance on a touchy issue before corporate gives them the okay, IMO.

Even with SVP, it was a strange mixture of emotion & restraint all week long. He was clearly upset (enough that his Monday show was the first indication I had that something truly F'd up was going on), but it didn't seem like he felt he had the freedom to say everything that was on his mind. I'll be interested to see if the tone changes on his show today.

FBI needs to move in quickly and seize records. Also start tracing donors to 2nd mile. What if some funds were diverted to Penn State? Joe was "the greatest fundraiser" maybe he was getting some help without knowing it.

Also, Wetzel had a legal guy familier with the Catholic Church deal on his podcast yesterday. They were saying this will costs hundreds of millions of dollars in civil suits, as the University and everyone else involved will be sued on a huge level and will have to settle out of court just as the Catholic church did.

Getting pissed off becaues what should be a useful space was for once (and I agree it rarely is) is beyond stupid and shows you can't get over your fucking grudge.

ESPN treats OSU deplorably, that is fine.

At least SOMETHING finally came out of that spot worth a damn.

Nod your head and move on instead of screaming BUT JIM TRESSELL!@#%$!

Get over yourself EO. It isn't a grudge is a real issue that ESPN has, and it goes far beyond OSU. Let the Tressel thing go, Has nothing to do with him. Just because my rooting interest is OSU doesn't make me or anyone else wrong when in comes to ESPN's slippery slope, which you yourself are calling out and pointing to with things like Feldman.

The morning after Paterno won his 400th game, there was still a buzz in the Penn State football offices, still a sense of excitement, and when Paterno arrived he gathered everyone together and said: “That was wonderful. But now that’s over.” He may not do everything he once did — but he stands for all the same things.

- Joe Posnanski Nov 18, 2010

Joe has been in State College for 7 months working on a book about Joe Pa. Fortunately for him, it sounds like it's in the preliminary research phase and he hasn't started writing yet. Otherwise he'd probably need a pretty damn big eraser.

Poz - " I think Joe is what people think he is -- after all, you can't fool people for 60 years. Sure, I would hope there will be a lot in the book that will offer insight into Joe as a person, as a coach, as a teacher, as a role model, as a friend, as a legend and all those things. But I don't think we're going to find out that Joe is actually a 6-foot-3 gentleman with a Southern accent.

He is Joe Paterno. He's not the saint that some of his more enthusiastic fans try to paint him as. And he's also not the character that some of his critics paint him as. He's a man who I think, for 60 years, really has tried his best."

Getting pissed off becaues what should be a useful space was for once (and I agree it rarely is) is beyond stupid and shows you can't get over your fucking grudge.

ESPN treats OSU deplorably, that is fine.

At least SOMETHING finally came out of that spot worth a damn.

Nod your head and move on instead of screaming BUT JIM TRESSELL!@#%$!

Get over yourself EO. It isn't a grudge is a real issue that ESPN has, and it goes far beyond OSU. Let the Tressel thing go, Has nothing to do with him. Just because my rooting interest is OSU doesn't make me or anyone else wrong when in comes to ESPN's slippery slope, which you yourself are calling out and pointing to with things like Feldman.

Enough.

Screaming like a petulant bitch because someone wrote a constructive piece for once in that space is acting like a fuck like SSS would.

Frankly it's half the fucking reason college football fans do shit like riot for Paterno.

Your hurt from the OSU thing and you are screaming about it here and in terms of a constructive piece.

And FTR, if you think overreacting to OSU fans that are using this story as some sort of ESPN WAS MEAN TO US referendum, you have no grasp on how sick PSU fans and sick OSU fans are brothers that wear different colors.

Reacting to a simple column the way you did is about as cuntish an overreacting fan reaction as you can get and it falls in line with the assfucks rioting over Joe Pa.

e0y2e3 wrote:And FTR, if you think overreacting to OSU fans that are using this story as some sort of ESPN WAS MEAN TO US referendum, you have no grasp on how sick PSU fans and sick OSU fans are brothers that wear different colors.

Reacting to a simple column the way you did is about as cuntish an overreacting fan reaction as you can get and it falls in line with the assfucks rioting over Joe Pa.

Cuntish overreacting. Yah I'm seeing that now that you are pointing it out.

Jesus. This is numbing. This shit is going national and all defenders are going to look really fuckin stupid.

I'm actually sick to my stomach just thinking where else this may go. 2 days ago I thought it couldn't be worse. Yesterday I thought it couldn't be worse. Today, it is worse. What's next...

Playing here is the closest thing to heaven. Really, I mean it's amazing to be in a place where the fans truly cherish their football team and stick behind them win or lose. We players love them, too. I feel a sense of accomplishment playing here, we are a special breed of football players with a great opportunity." ~ tOSU LB Brian Rolle

hiko wrote:In my opinion, McQueary is clearly worse for running off and leaving Sandusky in the shower with the boy to finish.

They can't let him take the sideline for another game.They should have fired him yesterday as well. If there are some legal or civil implications to that than suspending him indefinitely would be another route. But he simply can't be on the sidelines for the rest of the season.