The following video by C0nc0rdance made me think about something: Is it possible to create a site just like YouTube (i.e watching videos, commenting, channels, voting, all that jazz) but without the hassle of people constantly getting their videos removed by DMCA?In other words, YouTube but with one of the community in charge to make sure that DMCA's are legit before a video is removed, versus the other way around? I guess DPRJones would be thrilled to be the legal part of the equation.

I'm currently talking to a few of my friends who are studying programming so depending on the costs and doability this will most definitely happen.

C0nc0rdance's video:

"Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed." ― Friedrich Nietzsche

It's as easy as pissing to set up a clone of YouTube.It's as expensive as fuck to actually run one.It's a logistical nightmare to run a popular video site, and you'd probably require similar rules making the entire endeavour pointless.

How come, what would I need, what would it cost? Isn't it enough to have a server running it? Plus, it would only be for the scientific or philosophical exchange of ideas, so it wouldn't be anywhere as big as youtube.

Prolescum wrote:It's a logistical nightmare to run a popular video site, and you'd probably require similar rules making the entire endeavour pointless.

I agree that it would be a logistical nightmare, but all I'm really looking for is a site for scientists, call the site sciencevidz for fun. I'm not interested in hosting old videos of Friends or Buffy the Vampire Slayer or any of that. As for the rules, I'm sure it could run on the "innocent until proven guilty" rule, aka someone can make a DMCA but you investigate first and take it down later.

Prolescum wrote:Sorry, me ol' chum. I hate being the realist...

It's fine, puts me in my place.

"Sometimes people don't want to hear the truth because they don't want their illusions destroyed." ― Friedrich Nietzsche

How come, what would I need, what would it cost? Isn't it enough to have a server running it? Plus, it would only be for the scientific or philosophical exchange of ideas, so it wouldn't be anywhere as big as youtube.

Well videos take up a lot of space, which you'd have to pay for, then there's the bandwidth. Both would increase over time. I can't give you a price because it would probably scale with your requirements. You'd probably have to pay for a full-time admin to maintain the site (keeping databases updated etc) too, being the kind of site it is; it wouldn't be long before someone a) tried to upload dodgy content or b) attempt to hack it (probably Hytegia). I haven't even touched on the issue of spam...

Inferno wrote:

Prolescum wrote:It's a logistical nightmare to run a popular video site, and you'd probably require similar rules making the entire endeavour pointless.

I agree that it would be a logistical nightmare, but all I'm really looking for is a site for scientists, call the site sciencevidz for fun. I'm not interested in hosting old videos of Friends or Buffy the Vampire Slayer or any of that. As for the rules, I'm sure it could run on the "innocent until proven guilty" rule, aka someone can make a DMCA but you investigate first and take it down later.

I get that, I really do, but the reality is that the issues above could very quickly overwhelm a well-meaning but inexperienced staff. Also, Z is a horrid letter best suited to 70's sci-fi...

Creating a "new YouTube" is not the problem as Prolescum said.I don't agree the major problem would be cost, as you would need a pretty big following before the cost would get out of hand. Finding advertising and investors would not be a problem by then. I believe the issue with trying to compete with Youtube is, Trying to compete a site that is owned by Google. Hell not even Google could compete with a pregoogle Youtube.

I feel there is 3 major issues trying to create a new Youtube. 1. Youtube has been around and is trusted by many people. Even by those who bitch about the layout and other changes. Facebook is another examples of this. Many people just don't like change. They will bitch but their dislike of change will also keep them on these sites.

2. Google search. Not only is Youtube linked on every Google page (what you think that would cost a outside company?), YT videos get in the top search results.

3. Creating a "new YouTube" is not that easy. Again as Prolescum mentioned, If you beat the odds, gain massive popularity and funding you will still need to follow the same laws as Youtube. As your site grows you will need to sure up your stance till you mirror something like Google's. I don't think Google wants to be the bad guy here, I don't think they are lazy, I think that they have to play by the rules and this is the most logical way.

I dont know anything about this stuff, but...if you can find a way of hiding the URL info, encripting it or whatever, then maybe you could run a website that links to content which has been mirrored to an unlisted youtube account. You access the video from a 3rd party site with an embedded player.If you can do that, then you arnt hosting the content at all.Ive been thinking for a long time that there needs to be a portal site that brings together all the best skeptic, science, anti woowoo material on the web.how cool if you could combine the 2 ideas.sorry if im talking nonsense

It is not possible to hide that you are using Youtube. They give very limited access to the video files outside of their players(none) . Youtube does have a pretty solid API (here). Many sites have taken advantage of this to maintain their "video sections". I have seen a few that are more of a full blown video portal.

IIRC "The Amazing Atheist" was looking for $20k USD with crowdfunding to do make some kind of skeptic portal using Youtube's API.In a twist, It seems he got funded by non-skeptical people interested in a skeptical video portal.

nophun wrote:IIRC "The Amazing Atheist" was looking for $20k USD with crowdfunding to do make some kind of skeptic portal using Youtube's API.In a twist, It seems he got funded by non-skeptical people interested in a skeptical video portal.

great, thats interesting.does anyone know where they may be discussions on projects such as that...i might be prepared to donate hard cash myself if i thought the vision was right.

nophun wrote:It is not possible to hide that you are using Youtube. They give very limited access to the video files outside of their players(none) . Youtube does have a pretty solid API (here). Many sites have taken advantage of this to maintain their "video sections". I have seen a few that are more of a full blown video portal.

IIRC "The Amazing Atheist" was looking for $20k USD with crowdfunding to do make some kind of skeptic portal using Youtube's API.In a twist, It seems he got funded by non-skeptical people interested in a skeptical video portal.