"We will have to deal with
Christianity in a tougher way than hitherto. We must settle accounts with
this Christianity, this greatest of plagues that could have happened to us in
our history, which has weakened us in every conflict. If our generation
does not do it then it would I think drag on for a long time. We must
overcome it within ourselves. Today at Heydrich's funeral I intentionally
expressed in my oration from my deepest conviction a belief in God, a belief in
fate, in the ancient one as I called him - that is the old Germanic word:
Wralda.We shall once again have to find a new scale of values for our
people: the scale of the macrocosm and the microcosm, the starry sky above
us and the world in us, the world that we see in the microscope. The
essence of these megalomaniacs, these Christians who talk of men ruling this
world, must stop and be put back in its proper proportion. Man is nothing
special at all. He is an insignificant part of this earth. If a big
thunderstorm comes, he can do nothing about it. He cannot even predict it.
He has no idea how a fly is constructed - however unpleasant, it is a miracle -
or how a blossom is constructed. He must once again look with deep
reverence into this world. Then he will acquire the right sense of
proportion about what is above us, about how we are woven into this cycle.Then, on a different plane,
something else must happen: we must once again be rooted in our ancestors
and grandchildren, in this eternal chain and eternal sequence. [...] By rooting
our people in a deep ideological awareness of ancestors and grandchildren we
must once more persuade them that they must have sons. We can do a very
great deal. But everything that we do must be justifiable vis-à-vis the
clan, our ancestors. If we do not secure this moral foundation which is
the deepest and best because the most natural, we will not be able to overcome
Christianity on this plane and create the Germanic Reich which will be a
blessing for the earth. That is our mission as a nation on this earth.
For thousands of years it has been the mission of this blond race to rule the
earth and again and again to bring it happiness and culture."

17 November 2012

In Frisian mythology, 'Stavoren' is mentioned as the oldest and most important city of 'Friesland'.
It would have been named after the god or idol Stavo. (OLB fragments below.)

In Belgium there is a city Stavelot (German name: Stablo; Walon: Ståvleu).

In the North-French Pas-de-Calais area there is a city Étaples (In Dutch a.k.a. Stapel).
Portus Staliocanus from Ptolomeus' Geographica II-8? (Suggested by J. Vandemaele.)

In Greek Stavros (Σταύρος) means pole or cross. It is a common name for people and places.
(I can imagine the link between a tree or carved pole/ trunk and and the name for an idol.)

Stable and staple are related words.

~

Once one accepts that Friesland/ Frisia from the myths does not equal the current Dutch province Friesland,
that remains of old-Stavoren will not be found in nowaday Stavoren (same for Medemblik etc.),
and that the Gyganten (giants), the dragon and mermaid may have been metaphors (or added to entertain the audience),
the mythology offers many possible new views and starts to make much more sense.

It is understandable why they were rejected as merely fiction between the 18th and 20th century.
A revision will answer many questions.

The "run"-script has always been considered as typical 19th century, but this is not at all evident.

Specially the F is not like any Dutch handwriting I have ever seen.
It actually looks more like a Greek Phi.

For some letters it is obvious that they look like the Greek version, for example, K, U and T.

But if you have a better look at the L, you can see how it may have evolved (through the 'run'-version) into the Greek Lambda.

So:

Jol-F => run-F => Greek F
Jol-L => run-L => Greek L

This trick does not apply for all letters, but that it does for some of them is, at least, remarkable.

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Edit: after I posted I noticed that the Greek L is a mirrored version of
the L that I made, based on the run-L (which is like the traditional
capital L).

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Abramelin, on 13 November 2012 - 01:29 PM, said:

Because of the crease in the paper, part of the letter -F- is hidden, but you can still see something extra:

How do you interpret that dot?
Do you believe it is part of the letter?
How would you reconstruct the letter?

Abramelin, on 13 November 2012 - 08:07 PM, said:

I think the dot is what remains of a little line connected to the main figure (letter).

Can you make a drawing of what you think it should be?

Abramelin:

I know it looks like sh1t, but either the one copying the MS had some
problems with his quill, or this is how the letter should look.

Otharus:
The whole point about the RUN-script is that one can write fast and keep
the pen on the paper as much as possible, so the ink can flow gently
without making a mess. You will know if you have ever written with a
dip-pen.

So I think your first guess is the right one, as this makes most sense IMO:

There is something strange about the first line of page 1.
Why have I never noticed before?

The copyist made an effort to write neatly, the letters are more clear than on many later pages and also the two letters.
But the title "THET BOK THÉRA A.DEL.A.FOLSTAR" is not centered.
It is as if he started in the middle, not knowing what the title was
going to be, or not realising that there would not be enough space on
one line, when starting in the middle.

Abramelin, on 05 November 2012 - 05:07 PM, said:

You'd think that someone copying an existing text would know how much space he would need to write the lines down on new paper.

The title may not have been part of the original text.

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It does indeed look like "FOLSTAR" was initially omitted, and then added later.

Yes it looks like it was written with a different pen or ink; the letters are thicker.
It is strange because "THET BOK THÉRA A.DEL.A" is no good Fryan; it would have been something like "THET BOK FON A.DEL.A".

Here is my explanation.

Just like Jan Ottema would add a title ("ADELA"),
when he published his transcription and translation in 1872 on his page
1, Hidde Oera Linda may have wanted to add a title to the copy he made
in 1256.

His initial idea may have been THET BOK ÁDELA.S (The Book of Adela or Adela's Book).

After having penned down the first two words (the title would have been nicely centred), he gets a better idea.

He remembers having read a title somewhere in the book, something like THET BOK THÉRA ADELA.S HELPAR.

But before writing down the last word, he gets doubts and decides to check it first.

He can't easily find it and decides to just start copying, because sooner or later he will get to the point where he read it.

Then finally... on page 91, there it is!

But FOLLISTAR does not fit and is a bit old-fashioned, so he uses an alternative: FOLSTAR.

He adds it in the space that he had left open, and since his pen is a
bit worn out, the letters become a bit thicker than the other ones on
page 1, that had been written with a brand new pen.

However,
if someone started adding titles to the chapters at some point in time,
then how accurate were these family members at copying their
chronicle? What more has been added or deleted or changed (..to make it
look less old fashioned...??)

I have always said that any copyist may have added, adapted and censored
things. That is what copyists and translators tend to do.

Our coastal area still houses plenty of rabbits, they are good food and have useful skins.

This explanation makes most sense to me.

Abramelin, on 01 November 2012 - 07:12 PM, said:

The main problem is: there were no rabbits here, back then.

They were introduced by the Romans, and long after Tacitus.

How certain is that? From where did the Romans get them? What is the source for this?

It is also possible that their KANINA were not exactly the same species as our 'konijnen'.

Abramelin, on 01 November 2012 - 10:49 PM, said:

I knew this already in highschool.

Arguments like "everyone knows that" and "I have always known that" are invalid.

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... where are the bones of these critters?
There are none to be found, not until centuries after Tacitus.

The remains of rabbits that were eaten will have been thrown into the
fire, but anyway, small animalls like critters and birds don't grow
bones that last very long. When left in nature they are gone within a
year or two.

Were bones of other small 2000 yrs BP animals found?

=== Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:00 PM

Socrates on language in Cratylus by Plato:

Her. What do you say of pur (fire) and udor (water)?
Soc. I am at a loss how to explain pur; either the muse of Euthyphro has
deserted me, or there is some very great difficulty in the word.
Please, however, to note the contrivance which I adopt whenever I am in a
difficulty of this sort.
Her. What is it?
Soc. I will tell you; but I should like to know first whether you can tell me what is the meaning of the pur?
Her. Indeed I cannot.
Soc. Shall I tell you what I suspect to be the true
explanation of this and several other words?- My belief is that they are
of foreign origin. For the Hellenes, especially those who were under
the dominion of the barbarians, often borrowed from them.
Her. What is the inference?
Soc. Why, you know that any one who seeks to
demonstrate the fitness of these names according to the Hellenic
language, and not according to the language from which the words are
derived, is rather likely to be at fault.
Her. Yes, certainly.
Soc. Well then, consider whether this pur is not
foreign; for the word is not easily brought into relation with the
Hellenic tongue, and the Phrygians may be observed to have the same word
slightly changed, just as they have udor (water) and kunes (dogs), and
many other words.
Her. That is true.http://classics.mit....o/cratylus.html

The way Greeks adopted 'barbarian' words is very similar to the way Indonesians adopted Dutch words.
Some make no sense when you read them, but when you hear them, they may still be recognised.

I think I have the answer to Socrates' question...

The Timaeus makes conjectures on the composition of the
four elements which some ancient Greeks thought constituted the physical
universe: earth, water, air, and fire. Timaeus links each of these
elements to a certain Platonic solid: the element of earth would be a
cube, of air an octahedron, of water an icosahedron, and of fire a tetrahedron.
(wiki/Timaeus_dialogue)

Along with the swastika (symbol of the sun, and the sun burns -> see
burning wheel) we can see in that symbol 4 times 4. The 4 pure elements.
If we see that purusha is the unlimited conscience of the burning flame
within, it is clear for me that vier-vuur-phuur (four-fire-pure) are
related.

Pyro-maan, vuure-man.

On top, if we take pride-> zijn we fier -> we glimmen -> and vieren (celebrating) was done around the fire

Yes to me the fire - pure (πυρά ~ πυρ) connection is obvious too.
It is shocking that official etymologists don't seem to acknowledge this.

About
Dutch/Flemish: indeed a pitty that the 'Algemeen Bijgeschaafd
Nederlands' was inforced to diminish the local dialects, but they still
exists and some sound pretty much as OLB.

Exactly!
Latin has been a lingua 'franca', later Frankish/ French and now it's English.

The good thing is, that after the empires collapse, people will not like
to speak that language any more and use their own dialects again,
although some new words may stay as souvenirs, while some old words will
have been lost.

Van Gorp, on 03 November 2012 - 08:44 PM, said:

For
the replacements: that doesn't explain for example the deplaced/double
story of Willebrord and the veneration of him in North of France.
Either he entered in Holland or in North of France.
And boarding in Holland to go lateron to the south (where the crossing of the channel was much easier) does not make any sense.

Exactly!

At the other hand, the Dutch rivers go very deep inland...
The low lands are a river delta.

Van Gorp, on 04 November 2012 - 12:29 AM, said:

A possibility concerning the Caninefates which comes into my mind, and connection to KANINA and 'konijnen' could be as follows.

Root "Kan" (like in Latin "canna", Spanish "cañón", kano, kanaal,
Can-yon, think 'kenien' in our dialect :-) is just pointing to a long
hollow tube.
This is prety obvious i think, hence also the name for animals doing just that.

Btw canis: idem dito, hondje in zijn rieten mandje (kanneke) :-)

That totally makes sense!
Small dogs were used to enter fox- and rabbit- holes etc.

Latin: caninus and Old-German: kaninisk = doggish, dog-like

Abramelin, on 04 November 2012 - 03:42 PM, said:

Back to the Batavians: could their name not mean something like 'warriors'?
Here's why:... Baduhenna appears to be a goddess of war...Germanic *badwa-, battle... O.E. beatan "inflict blows on, thrash" ... battle (n.)c.1300, from O.Fr. bataille ... batter (v.)"strike repeatedly, beat violently and rapidly,"
... bat (n.1)"a stick, a club," ...Batavi as the bravest of the tribes of the area, hardened in the Germanic wars

First of all, the best names are ambiguous ones, ones that have several meanings.

But this one indeed makes much sense too me, and I was also thinking about Boudicca, a queen who lead a war against the Romans.

When at war, the fighters need a strong name to scream, something that gives them power.
Similar is why Wodin, Wotan is a good name for war; it has "wut" (dutch woede; rage anger) in it.

Van Gorp, on 04 November 2012 - 11:20 PM, said:

Is
it correct that all the dates of the tales mentionned are derived from
the date Atland was sunken (being 2193 BC, mentionned once by Hidde in
1256 AD)?

Yes it is the only time two counting systems are combined.
That it will at least roughly be right, can be seen from other stories,
for example Buda/Yes-us (6th C. BCE), Alexander (ca. 300 BCE).

=== Posted 05 November 2012 - 03:15 PM

OK, you convinced me that the CF were no rabbit or hare hunters.

VG pointed out that CAN* can be related to channel (Dutch: kanaal, gracht, sloot).

The low lands were swampy and in order to make the land dry, channels
were dug out, which was also very helpful for transportation.
The Netherlands are well known for their waterworks.

Combined with the French verb "faire" (to do, make), I can imagine a word like CAN..FAT.. meaning something channel-diggers.

An peculiar activity of the area.

As for the KANINA-skins in the JON story (plm. 1600 BCE); this may refer to polecats, weasels, hares, or ...?
The article does not say there were no hares, just that not much was found of them.

Since even in Roman times there seems to have been confusion about dogs
and rabbits, because of the similar terms (agreeably having to do with
the ability to go in holes), the name may not have been used for rabbits
alone in JON's time. The furs of all those rodents tend to be soft.

Abramelin, on 05 November 2012 - 05:01 PM, said:

If the Cananefates dug their own channels, the Romans would not have needed to dig their own

I don't agree.

The Romans will have needed channels to supply their armies and other
strategic purposes, while the CF may have made ones primarily to have
dry land to live and farm on.

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We are talking about channels, not ditches, and about the land of the Cananefates, not the whole of the Netherlands.

1. Who says smaller channels and ditches would not have been known as CAN* (whatever old term that evolved into our "kanaal")?

2. If the CF made many ditches and were named after that activity, that
does not impy that they were the only ones making ditches, or that they
only made ditches.

People can be named "Van Dijk" without living near a dike, while others can live there, without having that name.

Abramelin, on 05 November 2012 - 05:18 PM, said:

Maybe we all are focusing a bit too much on the Batavii amd the Cananefates.

Every time the OLB-language helps inspire plausible explanations for names like these, it adds to its credibility and value.

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Abramelin, on 05 November 2012 - 05:53 PM, said:

Previous research by the RMO showed that the garnets in the fibulae from Rhenen came from India and Pakistan.
...But this is about jewelry from the early middle ages...not from a millenium of more BC....The seventh century goldsmith who made the famous cloak pin of Wijnaldum​​, took his precious stones from India.

Yes I read that too last week or so.
Precious stones and metals may have been used and re-used for thousands of years.

If Friso and the 'Gér(t)man(n)a' from NW-India indeed arrived in
NW-Europe after Alexander's fall, they would have brought precious
things like that.

Part of their treasures will have been recycled up till today.
I have no words to describe the silver-art that I saw last year in the Frisian Museum in Ljouwert.
They must have had a very old tradition.
(I have seen many similar exhibitions all over the world.)

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Abramelin, on 06 November 2012 - 04:05 AM, said:

If the CF had dug ditches or canals to drain their land, we would have found traces of them, even now.

I'm sure we have. Terps and hill-forts were built here too. These lands are only habitable with some sort of water management.

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If CAN means ditch or canal, what does CANAN or CANIN or CANNIN mean?

Plural.

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IF
CAN in Cananefates does indeed mean ditch, canal or waterway, then
their name hints at their main occupation: digging canals and so on.

You
cannot compare the way they received their names with how we receive
our (family) names now. The surnames we have now originated in
Napoleontic times: everybody received a family name, based on
profession, habit, physical characteristic and so on. These surnames
were passed on to next generations: even if your profession wasn't a
butcher, you still inherited that name, Butcher, from your ancestors.

Naming is done by law since 1811, but many families had used the same name for many hundreds of years before that.
My own family name has been used as such for over a 1000 years (origin Switzerland/ Austria/ S-Germany).

Abramelin, on 06 November 2012 - 04:13 AM, said:

Unless you want to stick the the Batavi being 'masters', or the 'better ones' and the Cananefates being 'rabbit catchers'.

I would never stick to one meaning. As I said before, the best names are ambiguous ones.

BTW, Kaninafata can still mean Coneycatchers even when they did not
catch a single rabbit in the Dutch dunes. They may have lived in Iberia
for a while before they migrated north to resettle.

Or... the coney - cunny ambiguity may already have existed back then.
Ofcourse it did; cunnilingus is Latin too.

Great, Abe.
Silly me, to forget about E-leven ("leven" in Dutch is life or to live), when 2-LIF is twelve.

And now we can reconstruct what 11 might have been spelled in Fryan: ENLIF or ÉNLIF (in modern Dutch: elf).

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lilthor, on 07 November 2012 - 09:07 PM, said:

So Over de Linden may have descended from an ancient lineage of paper-makers.
Possibly giving them a key role in creating and keeping written records of all types.
And making plausible the idea that this family would be inclined to pass along written keepsakes between generations.

Abramelin:

It might be, yes. Up to a couple of years ago there still was an Over de Linden printing house in Enkhuizen.
Well, I got inspired by Otharus 'Liber', and then things started rolling, lol.
I really never thought of lime bark/bast as a source for paper, but
linden/lime trees must have been quite abundant in the ancient Low Lands
before we started cutting them all down.

Otharus:

Neither did I.
Valuable finds, Abe.
Wonderful how we inspire each other here.

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Abramelin, on 12 November 2012 - 10:33 AM, said:

OK,
suppose Delahaye will be proven right, and that Dutch historical events
and places between around 200 and 1000 CE were actually events and
place in Belgium and Northern France, then you please tell me how that
would prove the OLB narrative which was first put onto paper in the 6th
century BCE. a story that ended somewhere in the first decade BCE.

It would put the so called Frisian 'fantastic' historiography (Van
Scharle and others) in a different light, which would put the OLB in a
different light.

Abramelin, on 12 November 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

Can you give one example of how that would change the way we now view the works of many Frisian historiographers?

Good question.
Yes, I think I can give several examples.
Because this is a very important issue, I will take some time to collect the exact references.

do
you mean you sea also a meaning in Eng-elen as the 'only ones' (a bit
like the choosen ones?, not the whole lot but the particular, enige-n,
the ap-pointed ones)

Yes, something like that.

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'eng' also meaning 'nauw' -> like in being/having be-nauwd when you feel narrowed/enclosed/fixed?

I noticed that (in OLB) ENG / ÉNG in the meaning of "enig" (only) is
consequently spelled with N+G (separate letters), while ENG in the
meaning of "nauw" (narrow) is spelled with the special NG (single)
letter.

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Abramelin, on 14 November 2012 - 10:42 AM, said:

OK, I see it on Vandemaele's map

Before the Kelts, Gauls and Romans became a serious threat, this will have been a more strategic area.
The northern Netherlands were also inhabited at (old) times, but mostly by farmers it seems.
In France and Belgium many (royal?) burial mounds were found from the iron age.
With the Romans and later the Franks moving ever more north, specially
the (cultural) elite will have fled to what is now the northern NL (and
possibly to Scandinavia, Scotland and Russia?).

As for the chronicle by Okko van Scharl:
It was edited and re-issued by Johannes Vlytarp, and again in 1742 by
Andreas van Staveren (printed by Abraham Ferwerda in Ljouwert).
For van Staveren and Ferwerda it was business, just like Hollywood movies today.
They will have wanted to please (wealthy) crowds and they will have avoided to offend the church.
Van Staveren, Vlytarp, Van Skarl and their predecessors will all have edited parts.
They may have interpreted and moved certain stories north (consciously or not).
One has to take everything with a pinch of salt, but that does not mean that all is merely worthless fantasy.

After having read Wilkens' book on Troy, it became perfectly clear to me
how the Troy story ended up in Greece, creating much confusion.
Similar things may have happened here.

suche / zoek / soek / sök / søk / søg / seek/ sykje

F R Y A ~ S K É D N I S E

the early speech of our fore-fathers

"The pure Friesic and easy wording of the Oera Linda Book must be most welcome to students of English and Saxon, as a widening of the now too narrow ground of the early speech of our fore-fathers." Wm. Barnes. Macmillan's Magazine,April 1877, p. 465.

Video Studies

Cornelis Over de Linden (1811-1874) Den Helder

Eelco Verwijs (1830-1880)

first scholar who studied the manuscript and confirmed its authenticity (1867) - later he withdrew this conclusion, probably to save his career

Jan Ottema (1804-1879) Leeuwarden

first translator and publisher of the 'Oera Linda Bok' (1872 & 1876)

the oldest production of European literature

"We may thus accept that we possess in this manuscript, of which the first part was composed in the sixth century before our era, the oldest production, after Homer and Hesiod, of European literature. And here we find in our fatherland a very ancient people in possession of development, civilisation, industry, navigation, commerce, literature, and pure elevated ideas of religion, whose existence we had never even conjectured."Dr. J.G. Ottema, 1871 (translation Sandbach)