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This is bad news for Marcus. He is use to having her away for long periods. He will now have to sleep with her every night. He must be devastated.

She claims this has nothing to do with the investigation. However, she just recently released a campaign style video. She barely won last time. Who will fill the void of making up "facts?" She was the best, but there is no shortage to fill that void.

Marcus may be the ideal husband in many ways judging from what little I have seen of him on tv . I bet he picks out ALL of her outfits , does her hair and wouldn't dream of burdening her with decorating the house ... I heard the man she fell in love with is still a snappy dresser and has the most extensive knowledge of classic movies and show tunes of any man she ever met .

If we took away the minimum wage -- if conceivably it was gone -- we could potentially virtually wipe out unemployment completely because we would be able to offer jobs at whatever level." -Michele Bachmann, Jan. 2005

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“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need” 1875 K Marx

I couldn't give a toss about Bachmann. However, I find it rather sad that immediately the conversation has turned to making fun of her husband because he demonstrates some feminine characteristics. Assuming he is gay and therefore that may open him up to justifiable ridicule. And this ridicule, coming from gay men is shocking. I will never in my life understand how gay men will make fun of someone who they think may be gay.

There is so much about Michelle Bachman that deserves to be made fun. It's a shame that we immediately go to "her husband may be secretly gay" jokes.

Sorry, I will get off my soap box now. I don't mean to ruin the fun. That just bothered me. I apologize everyone.

OH just lighten up Bugs , If my finding humor in the fact that an effeminate heterosexual who is loud and vocal about depriving me of my civil right's is offending you then so be it , I cant apologize for what I'm not sorry for .

I couldn't give a toss about Bachmann. However, I find it rather sad that immediately the conversation has turned to making fun of her husband because he demonstrates some feminine characteristics. Assuming he is gay and therefore that may open him up to justifiable ridicule. And this ridicule, coming from gay men is shocking. I will never in my life understand how gay men will make fun of someone who they think may be gay.

There is so much about Michelle Bachman that deserves to be made fun. It's a shame that we immediately go to "her husband may be secretly gay" jokes.

Sorry, I will get off my soap box now. I don't mean to ruin the fun. That just bothered me. I apologize everyone.

Hey Bug,

I think folks make fun of both of them because they have shown themselves to be craven hypocrites. Marcus is as gay as they come, yet has no problem bilking the taxpayers for his "gay reparation" therapy. He's married to a woman who equates being gay as being evil, she rallies against government largesse, yet has no problem accepting government subsidies for being a foster parent and farm subsidies. She's a woman who would limit the rights of women, because she knows that her god wants.

They both deserve our scorn, because they are liars and hypocrites. How a gay man could marry a woman who is so vehemently against anything involving homosexuality, is beyond description. She has done more to "dumb down" America than almost any other representative. She hasn't sponsored, let alone passed any meaningful legislation and the only thing she is consistent about is being totally bat-shit crazy.

Where you read ridicule, I read scorn and I imagine most folks might make fun of them rather than doing the Tea Party thing and putting bulls-eyes on their pictures.

Bug -- I was with you as I read this thread too. If we are going to scorn his hypocrisy, that is find and dandy, but what I am reading is just an attack on his effeminate mannerisms. Is he gay? I don't know -- I haven't slept with him. If he is gay, I actually feel more sorry for him than scorn -- his self-loathing must be close to unbearable. Yes, his actions are reprehensible - so let's go at that, but let's stay away from ridiculing him with the same stereotypical attributes that many of us were attacked with for years (and may still be).

as for his bat-shit crazy wife -- well, there aren't enough words to describe........... but I certainly ain't going to cry over her departure from Congress. Not that she had a shot at another term anyway -- of course, she DOES still get her Congressional pension -- perhaps, her fiscally conservative self will give it back. You know -- for the good of the country and all.

Marcus Bachmann is a self righteous nut.The fact that he has been outspoken in public about his warped homosexual views allows criticism.Sorry, but I do have to laugh at what has been said.Just imagine if Truman Capote or Liberace were straight and were demonizing gay people.I know it isn't PC but...

Marcus Bachmann is a self righteous nut.The fact that he has been outspoken in public about his warped homosexual views allows criticism.Sorry, but I do have to laugh at what has been said.Just imagine if Truman Capote or Liberace were straight and were demonizing gay people.I know it isn't PC but...

Oh, and my sister lives in her district and has been trying to vote her out of office from day 1.

I want to ensure that folks didn't misunderstand my earlier post.

I have NO ISSUE with people calling Marcus out for the hypocrite that he is or for his insane war on homosexuals. He is, quite frankly, a horrible human being. What was bothering me was that people weren't doing THAT -- they were simply mocking him as effeminate and using other stereotypical gay "slurs" (slurs in str8 people's minds anyway). Simply put, he was being mocked for how he presents and not for what he stands for. This is the same type of stuff that I, and I'm sure many others on here, went through and it simply didn't sit right with me. There are MORE THAN ENOUGH reasons of substance to mock and slam him, without making "being nelly" out to be something that we should ridicule.

If folks wish to continue down that path, fine -- I simply had to state how it hit me.

I think folks make fun of both of them because they have shown themselves to be craven hypocrites. Marcus is as gay as they come, yet has no problem bilking the taxpayers for his "gay reparation" therapy. He's married to a woman who equates being gay as being evil, she rallies against government largesse, yet has no problem accepting government subsidies for being a foster parent and farm subsidies. She's a woman who would limit the rights of women, because she knows that her god wants.

They both deserve our scorn, because they are liars and hypocrites. How a gay man could marry a woman who is so vehemently against anything involving homosexuality, is beyond description. She has done more to "dumb down" America than almost any other representative. She hasn't sponsored, let alone passed any meaningful legislation and the only thing she is consistent about is being totally bat-shit crazy.

Where you read ridicule, I read scorn and I imagine most folks might make fun of them rather than doing the Tea Party thing and putting bulls-eyes on their pictures.

Joe

Hi Joe, I agree with most everything you wrote. I don't think we are that far apart in our thinking. He is a vile man. His "reparative therapy" bullshit should be illegal and he should be publicly called out for supporting such a thing. It's abhorrent.

However, when we do publically call him out, as we should. We should stand up and scream that this is wrong. But I don't think we should say he is wrong because he has some feminine characteristics so he must be "a closet case" or secretly gay. I believe when we do that we are equating being gay with being bad.

As Mike said, it reminds me of when I was a kid and people called me a fag. I was singled out because I wasn't as masculine as the other boys and I was made to feel like I was trash because people thought I was gay.

It hurts me to see my own community, as adults, use the same words that were used against me.

If there can be masculine gay men is it not possible for there to be some feminine straight men?

Bottom line.......I do not believe there is such a thing as Justifiable Homophobia

Its not a mocking by us of his effeminacy. It's called a "riposte" - its throwing that couple's "horror of the gay" back into their own plainly obvious hot seat. We're saying, screw you, hypocrites. And by the way, your projection is transparently shameless. You are your own nightmares. The christian charity. The normative heterosexuality. Screw you. Eat your own truth.

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Many of those Pray the Gay Away groups attempt to make men behave in a more masculine manner. They tell them to stop using their hands to speak. From what I have read, some will smack their hands, if they use them while speaking. They should not be interested in fashion. They are scolded for being too groomed. They should walk like John Wayne. So, it is comical that he is so stereotypically gay (nothing wrong with being effeminate), while running programs trying to force those behaviors out of others.

Its not a mocking by us of his effeminacy. It's called a "riposte" - its throwing that couple's "horror of the gay" back into their own plainly obvious hot seat. We're saying, screw you, hypocrites. And by the way, your projection is transparently shameless. You are your own nightmares. The christian charity. The normative heterosexuality. Screw you. Eat your own truth.

Many of those Pray the Gay Away groups attempt to make men behave in a more masculine manner. They tell them to stop using their hands to speak. From what I have read, some will smack their hands, if they use them while speaking. They should not be interested in fashion. They are scolded for being too groomed. They should walk like John Wayne. So, it is comical that he is so stereotypically gay (nothing wrong with being effeminate), while running programs trying to force those behaviors out of others.

yes again.

I understand where Mike and Bugs are coming from but the humor expressed was not intended to mock and stereotype effeminate men (whether they be gay or straight). It was intended to... (read Mecch's post again as I couldn't say it better).

Bottom line.......I do not believe there is such a thing as Justifiable Homophobia

Hey Bug,

I agreed with your entire response, until I got to the line above and all I can ask is: You can't possibly be serious? Justifiable Homophobia? Where? In this thread? Hardly.

Homophobia is the fear or hatred of homosexuals and I cannot reconcile a few stabs at Marcus as illustrating a fear or hatred of anything, other than brazen hypocrites. I find your comparison to be very distasteful and to allude to homophobic behaviour, by our own members, on this forum no less, strikes me as beyond the pale.

If you want to describe the joking as demeaning or some other characterization, I have no issue, however, I've been gay bashed, more than once and nothing is this thread arises to the level, where being called homophobic is justified. What I find frustrating, is that you claim that we should not denigrate Marcus, based on personal observation, that labelling him as effeminate is demeaning, because we all know how "labels" can hurt.

Then you turn right around and place the label of Justifiable Homophobia on some of the comments here.

I'm not calling anyone out as being homophobic. I was just making a point that its not ok to denigrate someone on the basis of real or perceived "gayness" simply because you don't agree with their political or religious views. Simply because he is a royal dickhead does not justify calling him a fag, so to speak.

I'm not calling anyone out as being homophobic. I was just making a point that its not ok to denigrate someone on the basis of real or perceived "gayness" simply because you don't agree with their political or religious views. Simply because he is a royal dickhead does not justify calling him a fag, so to speak.

Earth to planet Bug? Did you follow the story at all? These are public figures, and Mr. Bachman had a pray-away-the-gay "treatment" center. And on the public dime, no less...

Earth to planet Bug? Did you follow the story at all? These are public figures, and Mr. Bachman had a pray-away-the-gay "treatment" center. And on the public dime, no less...

did YOU follow Bug's reasoning at all? He never said that Marcus should not be held up to ridicule for his actions. He, and I, are simply saying that it seems wrong to us that people ridicule him for his perceived gayness vs. for his actions. It sort of similar to some from the right using depiction of the President or First Lady as gangsta's or in tribal settings rather than commenting on any policy issues they might have. Although, I am sure the folks here are not coming from the same place of hate as those folks likely are.

If he's not gay, fine. I'm still happy to call him a fag because he hates fags.

Why? Because being a fag is a bad thing? Replace that word with the "N" word and tell me it's still OK?? There is so much that CAN and SHOULD be called out on Mr. And Mrs. Bachmann -- we don't need to reinforce insults and stereotypes used against US to do so.

When the late night TV hosts made gay jokes about Marcus, and these hosts are assumed to be straight, I still didn't hear them as homophobia. I don't hear it as hatred to the gays. I don't hear it as denigration of effeminacy nor an unfortunate confonding of gay with effeminacy, or vice versa. Why not? Because John Stewart and Jay Leno do not display homophobia otherwise.. Or rarely, and not with hateful intent. They were doing just what some in this thread were doing. Ripostes. A taste of the Bachmann's own medicine. Some of us have malleable frameworks, allow play in a language and on the part of speaker, which allows satire and irony to work.

So this: "Although, I am sure the folks here are not coming from the same place of hate as those folks likely are."

Precisely. That is the reason some of us, in fact, allow twinkle toe jokes about Marcus. Personally, it makes me laugh and purges my anger, at them, and at homophobia, because it is a public conversation and others see the hypocrisy as well.

I guess we have to agree to disagree because we are talking at cross purposes here. Some seem to be drawing very very solid lines in the sand about who can't say what.

In the context of the USA, african americans decided who can use the N-word, in all contexts. The rules about how it can be used.

I don't remember any "gay community" deciding there was a steadfast rule about who can say someone else is gay, or when or under what conditions. CERTAINLY there is not a rule if it is being done to call out homophobia... "Obama is the first gay president." That was clever and pro-gay. Similar situation for effeminacy.

I guess what bocker and ted are saying is, just call out the homophobia and leave it at that. I get the point. Just doesn't satisfy enough, when there is such rich minefield of such craven hypocrisy. And lack of a global view. And no sense of humour. On the part of the targets... That sanctimonious couple. Ick. She's not a "good" christian, nor a "good" american nor patriot, and he's a twinkle toes, who "one could imagine to be gay" and who "one could imagine might have to hate himself if in fact he is gay."

Whatever.. Thank god we don't have to join or respect the Bachmann brand of thought police, the finger pointing morality and identity games. Bye bye to them.

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I guess what bocker and ted are saying is, just call out the homophobia and leave it at that. I get the point. Just doesn't satisfy enough, when there is such rich minefield of such craven hypocrisy. And lack of a global view. And no sense of humour. On the part of the targets... That sanctimonious couple.

I know you accidentally mixed up my name, but I just wanted to correct the record.

So this: "Although, I am sure the folks here are not coming from the same place of hate as those folks likely are."

Precisely. That is the reason some of us, in fact, allow twinkle toe jokes about Marcus. Personally, it makes me laugh and purges my anger, at them, and at homophobia, because it is a public conversation and others see the hypocrisy as well.

I guess we have to agree to disagree because we are talking at cross purposes here. Some seem to be drawing very very solid lines in the sand about who can't say what.

To be clear -- you can say whatever you want to say. I know that you aren't coming from a homophobic place, however that still doesn't make it right.If one of my grandchildren called someone a fag, I'd take them aside and tell them why that is wrong.If one of them said to someone, "that's so gay" - I'd take them aside and tell them why that is wrong.

If you want to use those terms - have at it. IMO, though, you are only serving to reinforce stigma by using those terms as weapons.

With that -- I'll agree with you -- we are going to have to agree to disagree, because as repugnant as Marcus and his bat-shit crazy wife are, I don't think focusing on his perceived gayness is the best way to make your points.

Of course, we DO agree he is repugnant -- which is the most important point of all.

I was hoping this threads detour to the land of absurd would just go away but since its mainly my words that have led to the terms homophobia and accusing me of enforcing stigma is being thrown around casually I guess I have to speak up . I began my satirical joke by saying Marcus may be the IDEAL husband and in no way did I ever infer that these quality's made him inferior to any other human being , poking fun at his perceived gayness was to point out how homophobia and self loathing can hurt all of us . It doesn't take a psychoanalyst to see the reason why Marcus supports pray the gay away .

All of you know damn well I was just making a joke and the joke was not unlike the ones all of or most of us gay guys do in a campy way , when we call each other queens or gurl its meant as tongue and cheek and not malicious .

Here is a sampling of a few things said by gay guys to other gay guys on the forum .

o dear -- but I was staying with my gay uncle. I do seem to recall him talking about some trick named Jeff -- a bit of a "southern belle" he called her, but a good time......

Oh please..... There have been plenty of fruits all over your meat, Jeff dear!

Plus -- you ain't wearing no speedo at MY pool after eating like that!!! You will need to get one of those late 1800 swimsuits that all the fashionable ladies wore...

Happy birthday ol' girl!!

Oh you poor, sweet, demented queen.......

Hmmmmm... what's that sound I hear?? Sounds a bit like a wimpering queen down in Texas........

mmmm??? Good point. She will have to rent one.You are pretty smart..... For a Southern Belle.

Taken out of context these things I find endearing and funny could be held to the same standard , but that would be twisting someones words to imply cruelty where none was intended .

I do not feel like I did any thing wrong but if what I said caused pain to other members of this forum I do apologize .

With all of these epithets being hurled by members here at other members, we must all be self-loathing homophobics. But we're not (well, not most of us, anyway).

I see the original point Jeff was making in his post of Marcus being the IDEAL husband, and I don't see how it is insulting or homophobic. On the other hand, if we really don't think these kind of slurs or epithets are appropriate, then most members here have been inappropriate many times.

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"Life in Lubbock, Texas, taught me two things: One is that God loves you and you're going to burn in hell. The other is that sex is the most awful, filthy thing on earth and you should save it for someone you love." - Butch Hancock, Musician, The Flatlanders

Perhaps I got a little lost in my point.... I certainly do not see you as homophobic or mean spirited or anything like that.

I get the joking spirit and all and know that is what was meant. Perhaps I was letting some of my own history bubble up. Add that to really, really missing our little Charlie right now (for a little cat, he sure left a huge hole in this house), I'm far more sensitive than normal at the moment.

I certainly did not intend to call you anything or make you feel badly.

"...She has done more to "dumb down" America than almost any other representative. She hasn't sponsored, let alone passed any meaningful legislation and the only thing she is consistent about is being totally bat-shit crazy..."

Joe

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"He is my oldest child. The shy and retiring one over there with the Haitian headdress serving pescaíto frito."

It reminds me of Arsenic and Old Lace, the play/movie about sweet old aunties who gently explain their "compassionate" murders, as they are oblivious that they are narcissistic psychopaths. (And the whole package is an irresistible witty comedy.)