Democrats plan to force vote on Arizona immigration law if itís upheld by court

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"The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

Of course border patrol has doubled since 2004-It's Bushy's fault
Illegals are leaving because the economy is so bad under Ubama, they can't get ahead. Guess we can all thank Ubama for that. Bad economy=illegals leaving. That's one way I guess.
Arizona's lowering crime rate is because more and more illegals are afraid to go there because of the immigration law passed by the state.

Re: Democrats plan to force vote on Arizona immigration law if itís upheld by court

Originally Posted by AdamT

You've never seen it before because the states have never tried it before. Of course it's ironic, because Obama has done more to protect our borders than any recent president, and illegal immigration is falling, not rising. Crime in border states has been falling for some time -- not rising.

Immigration reform is the answer to this problem, but the people who whine the loudest about illegal immigration are the same people who oppose immigration reform. Go figure.

Not true.
Reform is needed. But most likely not the reform you have in mind.
We have tried amnesty. didn't work
Dream Act has some flaws.
Without stopping/reducing the influx of illegal aliens, other factors make no sense to implement until that is done.
Better guest worker program is needed for those that do not want to change citizenship

AT. it amazes me how you are so political biased/blind. Some of us would like reform. Just not your approuch to it.

Re: Democrats plan to force vote on Arizona immigration law if itís upheld by court

Originally Posted by mike2810

Not true.
Reform is needed. But most likely not the reform you have in mind.
We have tried amnesty. didn't work
Dream Act has some flaws.
Without stopping/reducing the influx of illegal aliens, other factors make no sense to implement until that is done.
Better guest worker program is needed for those that do not want to change citizenship

AT. it amazes me how you are so political biased/blind. Some of us would like reform. Just not your approuch to it.

Yes, that is the standard response from those who don't really want reform. Unfortunately it's impossible to stop illegal immigration -- and it has already been slowed -- so that is not a valid reason to put off reform. This is a lot like the completely ineffective "war on drugs". You can't win this fight through interdiction. As long as there is a demand there will be a supply. It's obvious that, for many years (though not now due to the weak economy), there was a strong demand for immigrant workers. We should respond to that demand by increasing quotas. I agree with you that a better guest worker program is needed. We should also stop forcing immigrants to leave after they come here and obtained a valuable education.

"The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

Re: Democrats plan to force vote on Arizona immigration law if itís upheld by court

Originally Posted by AdamT

Yes, that is the standard response from those who don't really want reform. Unfortunately it's impossible to stop illegal immigration -- and it has already been slowed -- so that is not a valid reason to put off reform. This is a lot like the completely ineffective "war on drugs". You can't win this fight through interdiction. As long as there is a demand there will be a supply. It's obvious that, for many years (though not now due to the weak economy), there was a strong demand for immigrant workers. We should respond to that demand by increasing quotas. I agree with you that a better guest worker program is needed. We should also stop forcing immigrants to leave after they come here and obtained a valuable education.

Your response is standard for those that want to turn a blind eye and give in without doing anything concrete. We can agree on the better guest program.
You most likely won't like this, but here it goes.
Do what ever it takes to eliminate the "birth right" of a child of illegal parents born in the US.
Find a way to address the illegal alien crossing and continue to slow the influx of illegal aliens across the US borders.
Improve the guest worker (migrant) program,
Increase penalities to companies and illegal workers who do not follow immigrant worker laws.
Allow States to play a greater law in assisting the Feds in controlling the influx of illegal aliens.

Reimburse the States/county/local LE and medical facilities for all costs incured dealing with illegal aliens. (especially if illegal the feds continue with the stance of illegal immigration is only a federal domain issue).