21. RUDYARD KIPLING: If

Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936) was an English author and poet. Before researching him for this post I always just thought he was the ‘Jungle Book dude’ without realising how prolific and important he was. I haven’t read any of his books and have only watched Disney’s The Jungle Book (I can still sing The Bare Necessities) and the average film adaptation starring Jason Scott Lee (hey look, it has Cersei Lannister too!). Probably not the best way to experience Kipling. I also didn’t know that If was voted the most popular poem of all time by the English people. Hope I didn’t ruin it for anyone!

I wasn’t planning on doing a sequel to the Invictus hammer fight, but I really liked ‘the kid’ and wanted to see more of him. I also liked the idea of only using classic poetry to tell his story. Now for part 3 …

My favourite poem of all time. Something every person on this planet should aim to be. Although I’d have preferred the boy not to react in the picture, it kinda goes in the face of Rudyard’s point of “Keeping your head when those about you are losing theirs”

I don’t think that follows the intent of how I interpret the poem anyway. Not trying to be too critical here, just curious to hear your thoughts on why you went that direction if you care to share. Love your work, thanks for drawing all these!

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One of my favorite poems as well, especially by Rudyard Kipling. I must say I’m normally a big fan of how you illustrate the meanings of the quotes you choose and while I love the art in this comic today, I am also afraid I don’t understand why the boy is being so reactionary and bloodthirsty/violent to the others. I don’t think that follows the intent of how I interpret the poem anyway. Not trying to be too critical here, just curious to hear your thoughts on why you went that direction if you care to share. Love your work, thanks for drawing all these!

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I interpreted it as the kid having kept his head in battle in the midst of being outnumbered and overpowered. Also, he didn’t cry and scream while getting beaten or gloat and celebrate when he beat them. He realised he had done wrong and accepts being punished by the police. He was also ashamed and couldn’t look his father in the eye. Overall, it’s an event in the boy’s life that helps him become a man. I know the violence might turn some readers off but I wanted to keep it in the same vein as the Invictus piece, both in style and subject matter. Appreciate the comments and keep them coming.

Thanks for responding with your thoughts! I hadn’t actually seen the Invictus comic before I read this one (or wrote my original comment.) It makes a bit more sense to me now in the context of the first comic. I also am totally in favor of putting our own spins on things, that is often one of the most fun parts after all! I forgot to mention in my original comment that I did like the ending parts pretty well. I think I was just thrown off by empathizing with the “star” of the comic who appeared very bloodthirsty without the context of the first Invictus comic.

Thanks for posting this, it’s nice to have insight into your thought process.

However, I still disagree with your interpretation of both these poems. I feel that turning Invictus into revenge and If to violence takes the meaning of the poems from a spiritual level to a more base, material one.

That’s not to say you’ve lost me as a follower of the site, by the way. One of the beautiful things about poetry (and art in general) is the fact that a give piece can be interpreted 10 different ways by 10 different people.

Having just found this (after the intention of making a recommendation for IF) I agree with you Dan. I think that this is well well selected and drawn, an overly shallow view of a very deep and important poem to many people not as strong as many other Zen Pencils.

Which is not to say I could have done better – I still like it. I just think that Gavin could have done it far better and just maybe, this one is worth a second go one day.

Incidentally, a few years ago, the BBC ran a poll of the UK’s favourite poems. If came out comfortably on top.

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I get the “original” intention of the poem but being open to interpretation is also one of the joys and dangers of something being put out there.
Internally I shouted “YES!” when the boy reacts, he/we are human and can only take so much without the desire to return the hurt. Whether we do or don’t is another matter.
Thank you for a different scenario beautifully illustrated.You brought a tear to my eye and a smile to my face and made my day better for it.

This and Invictus are the only comics I didn’t enjoy. I’m sorry to come just with criticism (I find most of your comics very creative, inspirational and really well-drawn).

I had never read that poem before, and when I read the first line I thought that something would happen so the boy wouldn’t end up committing a violent act. I always wonder why these kind of scenes (bullying) are depicted everywhere, and yet the “solution” shown always seems to be “to fight back and win”. When I saw that there was a second part to Invictus, I was really looking forward to see something different, a message for peace, like I found in other comics. I was disappointed, but then I noticed that this really doesn’t have a happy ending (yet), that the “victory” isn’t celebrated, and the man doesn’t look proud of what his son did, so… now I’m just intrigued to see the next part (I hope there will be one). I’ll be waiting 🙂

This is great. I’d actually not heard of either of these (“If” or “Invictus”) prior to your publishing them, but I love every quote you put up here. I think Mr. Kipling would be quite satisfied with how you’ve brought it to life here, even though it might be interpreted as a bit harsh (the boy doesn’t do the peaceable, turn-your-other-cheek thing that we expect).

(minor nit: I think the “BREATH” in the frame where the boy is being loaded into the cop car should be “BREATHE”. I’m not sure if that’s poetic license on Mr. Kipling’s part.)

Hi Gav – thanks for this comic and all your comic. When I first saw this I was a little shocked (and a little disappointed) that they hero would be so reactive. After reflecting on it tho’, I think you’ve done a great job capturing the essence of a literary tragedy (think “Hamlet” or “Lord of the Flies”). In my mind, the tragic literary form teaches us the consequences of our decisions. With this perspective kudos to you for not letting the little kid become a Disney character

In this piece, I was impressed by the unconditional love from the boys’ father.

In regards to the boy ‘resorting to violence’. I think the comic sets up pretty clearly that these are not the sort of thugs that listen to reason. The first comic (invictus) setup that this wasn’t the first time they’d beaten him up, and his pacifist stance had not worked as they kept coming back.

As for him finally ‘cracking’ in this comic, well the poem states “IF you do all these things, like keep your head etc you’ll be a man”, well the boy clearly isn’t a man yet, and is still finding his way hence why he doesn’t ‘fill all the criteria’. He’s on a journey, and has to live with the consequences of his actions. At least, that’s the way I see it.

Nice job, man! I like your interpretation. Life is sometimes violent. Sometimes you have to fight. Captain Kirk was very manly when he said in “A Taste of Armageddon”, “I didn’t start this was, but I am going to end it!”

I have to say i am not from US, and did not have the fortune to hear about it (the poem). And i like it. Maybe most of the people don’t understand, because you used violence. But we must agree that sometimes we have to use it with animals, and that’s what i see from the 2 paintings. So i congratulate you for your work, very nice indeed!

And forget to put this too. A picture does not tell us only what we can see, but tell us all the things we can imagine. And i imagine that is a guy that is putting his self together to face their fears and conquer them…

All the people disliking the “disgusting glorified violence” should just go and play with the newest Barbie & Ken. Also, this is a poem, and can be interpreted in any way anybody likes, there’s no absolute meaning to this.
Other than that, great work, great emotions.. please keep it up.

Violence is omnipresent in all aspects of life. Not knowing why, when, where and how to deal with it is just another way of hypocritical ‘holier than thou’.

It’s easy for the ones that can rely in a system closer to a ‘fair’ justice to shun any aspect of it, but be warned: many kids, in many countries, don’t have a school board council, or an oriented police-like patrol to help them. Many of these kids deal with the now fashionable ‘bullies’ in a scenario where there is no balance, nor a minimal protection to them. Their will, their [i]potens[i], derive only from a self-steem that they must daily pursue. And, in the trail, violence spurs.

So please, to all those saying ‘Ah woe him for fighting back…’, I can only say – be less hypocritical and get punched in the face. The idea of getting punched is NOTHING, compared to being actually punched.

Love it!
Especially loved the fact that you didn’t go all preachy and predictable with it..
And honestly, there is a lot of courage needed in being courageous. Which will probably seem too simple to most and make sense only to those who have been “courageously” keeping their silence.

Thank you for creating this comic to illustrat this poem, it’s a piece of art. Your Illustrations with the message made me cry for the young man. You are doing a great job illustrating good poems and famous phrases, I disire to you success!

Excellent comic. I’ve just found your site (through memebase of all places) and I’m working through your back catalogue. Really liked everything so far. 🙂

If anyone has read Kipling, you’ll know he would have been all about the kid’s reaction – he was not a ‘turn the other cheek’ kind of guy (and I agree with him). The ‘just tell a teacher’ advice is bullshit that’s said by teachers and parents who aren’t allowed to advocate violence. The only way to stop bullying (in my experience) is to put the lead offender on the floor. Other than that, anything short of removing all bullies from your physical presence won’t be enough. And most people are bullies, in one way or another, so that will take a looooong time. Stand up for yourself, be a person of peace, and above all never do the same to another that you have suffered yourself – unless of course, you’re doing unto him who has done unto you 🙂

I want to let you guys know, I love your artwork. It just appeals to me more than I can put into words. It’s very, very inspiring with the quotes you put that the artwork follows. When this 15 year old gets enough money, he’ll buy several of these prints.

what the. i was just browsing on songmeanings for the song if and someone said it was an extension from this poem i thought ok and closed it. literally 30 seconds later (i was just clicking through this site) this appeared

You know, this “Poetic Justice” saga really reminds me of something that happened at my school. This fat girl was made fun of and bullied for years. One day, she snapped and beat one of the more popular girls in the face with a high-heel shoe. She even had to go to the hospital! Of course, a lot of my friends were friends with the bully, so they hated the girl even more, but I thought it was awesome. She got what she deserved.

I’m crying at the last panel of the comic. Even if I don’t really get the meaning of the poem (I should re-read it then), but, good job at the illustration. You should make a compilation book of your works, I’d definitely buy it.

I love your work. Been browsing this site non-stop. I loved ‘Invictus’ simply because not only is the poem epic, but your rendition was as flawless. Every panel and every sketch brought out the line it was illustrating. I didn’t quite get the same feeling while reading ‘If’. I do get the big picture in this saga, and it’s beautiful nonetheless, but still, the images don’t capture the emotions the same way they did in ‘Invictus’.
but hey, that’s just me. 🙂

Yeah, I didn’t like what you did with ‘Invictus’, and I don’t like this sequel either. It reminds me too much of Orson Scott Card’s “Ender’s Game”: he sets up a situation specifically so the main character can commit murder and still be a hero. It leaves a rather nasty taste in the mouth. (Then again, Kipling might well have approved…)

it is very interesting how you illustrate every quote. this and the road not taken is very exceptional. great interpretations and very inspiring indeed. it gives lots of people around me courage and new possibilities. keep up the good work

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this made me cry. not only because of the poem but because of the illustration as well. recently some things that my father has done to me in the past have come up again and he was facing jail time. after things got resolved i talked to him. he said he sill loved me. i have never felt so loved in my life

Maybe it would help those who feel the boy’s violence violates the spirit of Kipling’s poem to consider that in real life, we don’t truly become adults without making some awful mistakes along the way. The violence at the beginning of this comic does violate the spirit of the *entire* poem, its point, but the boy IN the comic doesn’t know that at the beginning; that’s one of the things he has learned at the end. If we can restrain ourselves from imposing the lesson of the end upon the beginning, I think that would honor the poem and leave us feeling better. Maybe.

I’m going to be upfront about my qualms with this poem, because I honestly think they might be considered here:
I always liked the idea stated in this work quite a bit – if you can just be in a comfortable medium with all things, especially when it’s difficult to do so, you’ll be ultimately better for it. But I remember reading it for the first time when I was nine years old, and having to hold back tears because of the oddly typical childhood traumas I was in the middle of experiencing. Until I got to the end. It was my first real moment of “Oh. I see.” I read it as not something for *me* to strive toward, as I’m no one’s son, nor would I ever be a man. But all I’d found in books of women’s poetry was so full of existential sadness and desperate feelings of forced entrapment… It really, really bothered me.
Seeing it paneled out like this, along with the illustrated violence – even using a hammer as a weapon – it’s reminding me of the same feeling I had at nine years old. I appreciate the artistry, and I’m consistent in my recommendation of this entire site, but I don’t like this one at all.

I really like your interpretation of Invictus and If. Violence is a touchy subject. I wish I could say something thought provoking on the subject. I’m not one of the ‘Violence is not the answer’ crowd because I think they aren’t asking the right questions.

I find it pretty cool that you don’t know much about the people whose quotes you use (maybe you’re not a wide reader or not very into science, history, etc.), and then you’ll learn about them just because you have to draw their wisdom. It shows how your passion still helps you learn more.

Normally I really like Gav’s graphics, but I found this one too violent, and missing the point of Kipling’s poem. I just really don’t think Kipling wrote this poem with violent revenge in mind as a defining aspect of being a man… probably quite the opposite.

I don’t believe that the sentiment of the poem AT ALL teaches that if you were a harassed and bullied teenager, you should respond with maximum violence; using a hammer to smash the faces in of your tormentors. Actually, having read a few of Kipling’s short stories, I think he personally had a predilection for elegant solutions to nasty situations; in one of his stories he would have solved the teenager’s problem by the teenager being clever and outwitting the bullies.

To an extent we’re all free to reinterpret other works of art… but I think out of respect to another artist, the spirit in which they an intended a work should be part of the re-interpretation, too; otherwise it tramples on their creative vision, whilst creating your own.

I love this poem. Best ever. I’ve always related it to sports. Actually, part of this poem is on a plaque of the players tunnel at Wimbledon, and apparently it’s a popular poem among sportsmen and women. There is a video on youtube of Nadal and Federer reciting the poem. I think the bullying theme works ok with the poem, but I’d love to see you do one with a sport theme.
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I just want to say I really enjoy your website. If I had any drawing ability I would do something similar that didn’t encroach on what you have created. What I like most about you site is the comments that it stimulates. I am guessing from the high quality of the comments that your subject matter has attracted an intelligent and aware audience.

For this particular strip on Kipling I think it is very appropriate that you have drawn such a violent scene. I practice nonviolence in my life to the best of my ability and so I am not normally drawn to much violence.

In Kipling’s own life, he was living in England during World War I and had a son who was in his late teens. I can’t remember whether it was the father or son who wanted the son to join the Army. Kipling was an advocate for young men “doing their duty.” His son attempted to join and was rejected due to bad eyesight. Rudyard was very influential in British politics and pulled strings to get his son in the Army. His son, at I believe 17 years old, was commissioned and become a unit leader. He went to the front and was shot and apparently died a very painful death. He was in no man’s land and it took a long time to confirm his death.

I saw a movie, My Boy Jack, about this. I was wondering what was going on for Rudyard who supported military service to have his son killed.

Another comment – I enjoy your artwork whether the drawings are technically correct or not. It’s a comic, it’s about expressing ideas, not being technically perfect. The JFK assassination is one of the times I am referring to.

I don’t remember how I stumbled upon this site,but I absolutely love it. Your work on this poem though,it’s so good! This is my favourite poem of all times and to me it sums up every lesson required in life. I like your interpretation,different.

Discovered your site a day or two ago, and have been working through all of your comics methodically, which has involved a good deal of cathartic crying and uplifting inspired smiling…

But I really can’t square the visuals with the words in this one – so much of If is about rising above, being noble and virtuous. Many of the panels seem to contradict the words they contain. I get that the poetic justice series has a kid in a situation where non-violent options have been exhausted, and his standing up for himself is a brave act of desperation. I get that the story arc continues and he has to redeem himself after this strip. I get that the bullies are deserving of what they get. Even so, the poem just doesn’t seem to fit the story somehow.

I highly highly suggest you listen/read a book series by David Weber and John Ringo called The Empire of Man. Its about a young prince named Roger who starts out as a foppish clothes-horse, and ends the series as a, well I don’t want to spoil it for you, but a much better person than he started out. In the book David Weber uses Rudyard Kipling’s poetry, especially the poem If. Its an amazing series that completely personifies that poem (its almost as if the book is about If), plus it is an exceptionally well written and fascinating series. Maybe reading that series will inspire you another comic version of If that you hadn’t thought of before….and let me know what you think if you ever do end up reading them, its one of my favorite series.

Oh god this brought back memories of my childhood while I didn’t bash someones head in with a hammer I do remember the bullies I usually stayed in the library during free time or recess losing myself in books because that was the only way I could get through the day at school

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Maybe it’s bc im a Soldier. But I find the violence fitting for the poem. Pushed to the limit, he responds to violence with violence. Is it “right”? No, but that’s the point. Realistically, there are bad people in the world and they have to be dealt with (I.e. ISIS). One of the trademarks of being a man is standing up for yourself. He did even if it was in the wrong way. Again, he isn’t a man yet and that is the point. He isn’t perfect nor complete. I greatly enjoy the series as well as the Mandela tribute. Great job, Gav. Don’t be ashamed to show the human condition, which unfortunately can include violence.

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Frequently numerous only look at a family enjoyable place when arranging a vacation; but it’s additionally imperative to cover quite as much attention with this very important aspect when deciding to buy a home whether they are the first buyers as well as not. Although it is vital your whole family wants themselves although vacationing with each other by selecting a loved types oriented environment; it is a lot more essential when purchasing a house.

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In contrast, a higher classes may possibly make reference to any curriculum as the classes required so that you can be given one’s diploma or degree.
And Some may furthermore make reference to curriculum inside the identical way as the simple classes.
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