carwin beat mir and gonzaga, which isn't much, but all of them have more impressive resume's than overeem.

we'll see what happens when dude steps into the ring with a 250 lb elite wresler.

i never said overeem was shit, but to be a top 5 hw you have to beat some top 5 hw's. and my argument was that he didnt deserve a ufc hw title shot, which he doesn't.

besides it's not like he's cleaned out the strikeforce division or anything. thats why diaz is making the move, and im sure you'll see melendez makje the jump soon too, but he's only defended once against a guy who didnt deserve a title shot (coming off a loss)

Sometimes performance warrants an immediate title shot. That's why Anderson Silva was first in line after flawless victorying Chris Leben.

Beating names is good when all is said and done, but good scouting and booking is performance based. Alistair's opponents have been meh, that's not something I will argue against, but he treated them like you'd expect a world class fighter to treat shit.

carwin beat mir and gonzaga, which isn't much, but all of them have more impressive resume's than overeem.

we'll see what happens when dude steps into the ring with a 250 lb elite wresler.

i never said overeem was shit, but to be a top 5 hw you have to beat some top 5 hw's. and my argument was that he didnt deserve a ufc hw title shot, which he doesn't.

besides it's not like he's cleaned out the strikeforce division or anything. thats why diaz is making the move, and im sure you'll see melendez makje the jump soon too, but he's only defended once against a guy who didnt deserve a title shot (coming off a loss)

Herring and randy were washed up, mir is a garbage c-level fighter/athlete and the exact definition of a journyman/gatekeeper

Gonzaga lost to just about every ranked/decent opponent he fought

You pretty much just contradicted the shit out of yourself with the "top be a top 5, you have to beat some top 5s" comment. Since when were any of those "notable" opponents you listed in the top 5 at the time?

And Kawajiri wasn't coming of a loss, he was coming off. A dominant win over Josh Thomson. Don't matter though, Gil is gonna get mopped up by my boy KJ

Herring and randy were washed up, mir is a garbage c-level fighter/athlete and the exact definition of a journyman/gatekeeper

Gonzaga lost to just about every ranked/decent opponent he fought

You pretty much just contradicted the shit out of yourself with the "top be a top 5, you have to beat some top 5s" comment. Since when were any of those "notable" opponents you listed in the top 5 at the time?

And Kawajiri wasn't coming of a loss, he was coming off. A dominant win over Josh Thomson. Don't matter though, Gil is gonna get mopped up by my boy KJ

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theyre all more notable wins than anything overeem has done at heavyweight.
stop arguing, you look like an idiot.

not the bout I was hoping for, but overeem is catching too much crap for the performance. Werdum was so desperate to grapple it left Reem little choice but to spend most of his time defending. It's an MMA flaw, not Reem's.

Overeem's striking defense is nothing to write home about. In k1 it was about covering up and in mma it appears to be the same.

But Werdum wasn't doing shit but closing the distance with slaps. Everyone seems to have dreamed haymakers like they did when watching Maia-silva.

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Pretty much, which is why in that other thread in the Alley, I never brought up Overeem as a better striker than Anderson Silva.

He wins off size and gameplan. He's smart. He uses his size to his advantage when covering up, then picks his shots when he needs to. But that's about it; he's stiff, has no footwork, and has no punch or kick combos at all.

The talent in K-1 has fell off. K-1 is just another form/set of rules in kickboxing. A lot of MMA fans seem to treat K-1 as the Olympics of kickboxing or something, but of course, they couldn't name any other form of kickboxing outside K-1 rules and Muay Thai to begin with. Which is why they frequently use the term "K-1 level striker" as if it means anything.

The fight actually went out exactly as I expected, though, so I wasn't surprised.

As for Noons, that was an embarrasment. He's striking like it's a boxing match, then ends up ducking into strikes like an idiot. His takedown defense is also a lot better than that, no idea what his deal was. He trained his ass off too&mdash;going gym to gym, even trained at Black House, meanwhile, Masvidal is a slacker, which made the fight result even more dissappointing.

my mans delusional don't bother, Brock had a 3-0 record and got a shot at the UFC title.. after that happened we should never hear a "they don't deserve it" story lol.. werdum dictated the fight but his striking was sloppy it had no snap that's why it landed I could touch someones face all night too lol.. only reason Overeem didn't open up at them moments and KO him was because he literally took a shot every 20 seconds.. wait till next fight against someone who's not as dangerous on the ground as werdum with the quick subs