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Yeah, I'm not sure if it flew under the radar or what, but it should have been way more popular than I think it was. Plus, Michelle Pfeiffer still looks amazing. I love the "Count of Monte Cristo" as well. Cavill was good in that and I thought he was good in "Man of Steel".

I've only seen about 1/2 of Watchmen and it seemed pretty boring and bad. I thought about getting it and watching all of it to see if it was better than what I saw of it but I've never bothered.

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You'll be glad you stopped. I was watching it in the theater and walked out with five minutes left, i.e. didn't even bother with the final ending with that much original investment. That's how much I didn't care to know what happened in the end. It ranks up there with Colin Farrell's "Alexander" as just that awful.

I liked Watchmen a lot, the opening scene with the Dillon number is amazing. The set piece on the moon is really played out well, the comedian/Rorschach are played close to perfection. The owl/ Ozymandias let the movie down. Ozy more than anything else, his delivery is really bad, nearly as bad as his wig, everything about the role in the movie is suspect. Nice effort all round though. It nearly make up for how horrible Sucker punch was.

OK except, using your analogy, how would Batman have helped fix that situation? Superman promised he would get the nuke headed for Hackensack and he threw it into space, so what's Batman going to do? Fly to California and throw that nuke into space also?

If you went to see Watchmen expecting a super hero movie yeah, you were probably bored out of your mind.

Watchmen is a philosophical movie above all else. It's pretty friggan good too.

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I actually initially wanted to see it, when it was being advertised, because it appeared to be not a typical super hero movie.

The draw to it for me was that it was going to be something different. I just felt, from what I saw of it, that it fell very flat and was very poorly done. I loved the concept but to me it just wasn't good.

Not sure if it's been mentioned for certain yet, but word is they're looking for an older Batman for this upcoming movie.

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Well if it's supposed to be anything like The Dark Knight Returns where Superman and Batman fight then Batman is I believe 55 years old at the time, and it's after he's been completely retired for 10 years. So it only makes sense that it would have to be an older Batman, unless they completely ignore that little fact.

Well if it's supposed to be anything like The Dark Knight Returns where Superman and Batman fight then Batman is I believe 55 years old at the time, and it's after he's been completely retired for 10 years. So it only makes sense that it would have to be an older Batman, unless they completely ignore that little fact.

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Yeah that's what I was thinking, but I seriously doubt they'll stick to that story line.

But then I also read this today, so what do I know?

"According to numerous sources, this Wayne/Batman will be in the late 30s or around the 40 mark. He will be established and rugged"

That's literally all it said. I seriously hope they have an idea already in the works rather than piecing this together as they go.

Well late 30's or around 40 then they're going to be significantly younger and well before Batman has 'retired'. So that means they're not following the storyline as they should which is very disapointing.

If you went to see Watchmen expecting a super hero movie yeah, you were probably bored out of your mind.

Watchmen is a philosophical movie above all else. It's pretty friggan good too.

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There are plenty of "kick butt" movies that have been done well, with a philosophical bent of mine, "The Matrix" being one of the greatest examples. Leveraging comic-book type characters very poorly while trying to present some philosophical premise doesn't serve, to me, as a valid excuse. There is a reason why they are leveraging those characters in the first place.

There are plenty of "kick butt" movies that have been done well, with a philosophical bent of mine, "The Matrix" being one of the greatest examples. Leveraging comic-book type characters very poorly while trying to present some philosophical premise doesn't serve, to me, as a valid excuse. There is a reason why they are leveraging those characters in the first place.

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Yes but the Matrix was an Action movie with some philosophy. Watchmen was much more of a drama with some Philosophy. It was never meant to be a "super hero" movie per se, but a movie about people who happen to be super heroes. The two don't compare very easy. But I can certainly understand anyone calling the movie boring. It's very slow. I just think the expectations of a "Super hero" movie, create a small bias.

I actually think the Matrix was not just 'some philosophy' but the dominant factor. It was just done so well, that the action and the philosophy were seamlessly blended. The reality is Watchmen is based upon 'super-hero' like characters, so even if it was a drama, that small bias that it would be faster is justified.

Well late 30's or around 40 then they're going to be significantly younger and well before Batman has 'retired'. So that means they're not following the storyline as they should which is very disapointing.

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The Dark Knight Returns is pretty stupid. They're just making reference to it because its the most well known comic with Batman and Superman going at each other. They've already said its not going to be an adaptation.