After all the policies and retributions and legal changes made in the past 40+ years, are we there yet?

And when we get there, what follows? Subjugation of those who previously had privilege, or true equality where everyone takes personal responsibility and rises or falls upon their own merit?

If true equality is the goal, eventually merit, ability, personal achievement, and individual responsibility come what may (win or lose) must be the end results of the equality movement. Because if the playing field doesn’t level but only tilts, that’s not equality, that’s privilege.

I know people of all stripes who started with nothing and had every reason to fail who have made it and I know people with every advantage to start with who have failed despite that, and I have also known all degrees of people in between.

IMHO true equality does not need programs or penalties. On either side. Equal is equal, fair is fair, yes? Are we ready to embrace personal responsibility? Or will we continue to cling to victim hood, past wrongs, retaliation, and group status instead of being individually and equally responsible for our own destiny?

When are things equal? And then what? How do we move forward? Please share your views in the comments.

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We’ll know when things are equal when we are all living the same impoverished, degenerate, miserable, empty lives.

The end point of ‘equality’, in all things – be it politics or nature – is emptiness. Be it empty hearts or empty heaths, empty rooms or empty wombs, the destination is the same.

The human spirit demands a fullness in life that can only come from connections to God or other humans. With God all but banished by the liberal left, for most people that means meaningful connections to other people. But ‘equality’ does everything it can to break those connections, or stop them from forming in the first place.

Humans revel in the inequalities of life – be that love or war. In our fear of the latter we have rendered ourselves unworthy of the former. This is why ‘equality’ is starting to crumble – it is abhorrent to the human spirit, to our need to connect. The liberal left were always playing a losing game. It sad that so many lives had to be destroyed along the way.

People who get ahead aren’t taking something away from anybody else. There’s no need to push someone behind so that someone else can “have their turn.” Just let everyone have their chance, and either they make something of it, or they don’t.

In times of plenty that may make sense, but you still would have plenty of status striving assholes who will think nothing of stepping on someone else to take what they want. In lean times, there really isn’t enough to go around so someone eventually is left out.

State provided cribs/nurseries from age 0 and up, and expected all women to be employed.

Salaries were about the same for all kinds of jobs, personal productivity hardly mattered. Given that the state considered itself to be a heaven for worksmen, blue collars often made more money than engineers/professionals, creating a culture of anti-intellectualism.

This led to disastrous drop in productivity. When your compensation does not depend on your quality of work – why put any effort? We had two generations of people who wasted most of their lives on imitating work on workplaces they hated.

Black market was a thing, but was always a big risk: any form of buying-to-resell was called ‘speculations’, considered to be a criminal offence (2 to 8 years in prison), and in some cases led to death penalty ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rokotov%E2%80%93Faibishenko_case#Retrials_and_executions ). There were no such thing as “self-employed”, and the state held the monopoly on all means of production (including all the land), so it was impossible anyway.

All in all, this indeed created a very egalitarian society. There were hardly any privilege, except for maybe belonging to nomenclatura, a top level state’s machine; or the highest level of academia; or foreign corpus; or very-top military. Even there, the level of privilege was laughable comparing to what top 1% had in different countries.

USSR was probably the closest thing to equality of outcomes. It was also the Hell on Earth for every person, who was cursed with any talent. All this eventually led to a state-level default.

I’d expect something similar to happen with Europe and USA, except with “basic income” instead of guaranteed employment. Race for egalitarianism (creating The Big State in the progress) followed by a massive crash (hopefully without civil wars).

In Britain the Sex Discrimination Act 1975 made discrimination on the grounds of gender to be illegal. This didn’t in itself stop it, but deindustrialisation killed off many of the traditional occupations, for women in the textile industry as much as for men in steelmaking, mining and other such roles. As it is, feminists and lgbtqwerty activists just want access to the nice well-paid professions but not the low-paid dirty, horrible ones; or even those that may not be that bad (e.g. truck driving) but which have limited opportunities for career progression.

Here in Ontario, Canada they are setting up some pilot programs in which every person in the pilot cities will be given a certain amount of money. They will not have to work or anything like that, it is just a gov’t hand out.

This is somehow supposed to be an incentive to the unemployed. But they will all get an equal amount so I guess that makes it fair.

Since there will never be a time when everyone is 100% equal (life is a bell curve, like it or not) the quest for equality os a fool’s game, anyway. The only way to make things “equal” is to penalize those on the upper end of the curve to hold them back somehow and to reward those on the lower end of the curve to try and compensate. Once that happens, where is the incentive for anyone? Why strive if you are fighting a losing game and why improve if you are rewarded not to?

No, but mostly because they are focusing on pay equality or equality of wealth. For example the left has been harping on women not making the same as women for the same job, and that’s just not really the case. They almost never factor in actual length of employment, which would show the gap is much less to nothing.

focus on making opportunities, not making allowances. Making allowances really is nothing more than settling. Would you really want to hire a lesser capable employee to take care of your child? Of course not. So why should it be any different for a company?

The people who come up with these ideas, always seem to be the people who can afford to not have to submit to the requirements.

I’ll weigh in, though I an the contrarian around here. First wave Feminism was real and justified … RIGHT TO VOTE. Second wave Feminism was about truly making things equal and it did. Say about the 1990. Third wave Feminism since then …. was about DESTROYING MEN, STEALING POWER AT THE FORCE OF A GUN TO A MAN”S TEMPLE, GIVING THAT POWER TO WOMEN WHETHER THEY DESERVED IT OR NOT, AND THEN LETTING WOMEN BURN DOWN THE PLACE.

Which is how we ended up where we are at today. So good question Bloom. When are things equal … the truth is they were equal long ago and have been only getting more and more unequal by the day. What we have now is gross inequality where men are discriminated against.

And that is a tough situation to rectify. See … women will fight for themselves. And woman have in-gender bias and will band together and will fight as a group. And society will fight for and protect women and children. When the Titanic goes does … it is women and children who get the lifeboats. WHO FIGHTS FOR MEN ???

The answer is … nobody. Nobody cares about men. Men fighting wars overseas, protecting us, our society, our women, our children … return home to be treated like garbage … and so many of our returning vets give up … and are abandoned … and lose hope and who end up homeless, living on the street and who end up committing suicide BECAUSE NOBODY CARES. Our young men are killing themselves by the dozens every single day all across America … AND NOBODY CARES.

Who cares about the male suicide rate ? NOBODY

Yet one single women … gets denied state funded abortion to kill her own unborn child … AND FEMINISTS ACROSS THE LAND WOULD BE UP IN ARMS !!!

Yes, Bloom … good question to ask. WHEN ARE THINGS EQUAL ???. Because most certainly right now … they aren’t. Know when things will be equal ? When men have equal rights. When a woman gets pregnant and the man doesn’t love the woman, he isn’t married to her, and doesn’t want the child … HE HAS A VOICE IN COURT AND CAN ORDER THE WOMAN TO HAVE AN ABORTION … BECAUSE HE DOESN’T WANT TO BE ON THE HOOK FOR A CHILD HE CANNOT SEE AND DOES NOT WANT … FOR THE NEXT 25 YEARS.

Yep … MY BODY … MY CHOICE … applies to men as well as women. That is equality. If a man does not want a child and the woman does … then she foregoes ALL FINANCIAL RESPONSIBILITY ON THE PART OF THE MAN. She wants the kid … THEN SHE GETS TO SUPPORT IT. Equality. And how about this for a stunner … if the man does not want to get married and support his child and the MOTHER insists on the child being born … SHE ALSO FORGOES ALL GOVERNMENT SUPPORT. She insists on bearing a child OVER THE WISHES OF THE FATHER … then she is on the hook and nobody else is.

Equality … is HOLDING WOMEN RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS the same as men are. Right now … men are penalized and women are given a free pass. EQUALITY ???? NOT A FUCKING CHANCE ON THAT TODAY … IF YOU ARE A MAN.

One of the problems is in defining “equal”. All we have to do is look at the wage gap myth. While equal pay pay has been the law since Jack Kennedy signed it into law in 1963, feminists believe that women should take home as much as men. Equality of outcome is not equal.

From a female poster over at Rollos commenting on his recent article Awareness.

“Resistance to the Red Pill from a woman is only natural. It strips the heart bare and calls out the devil out of someone who has lived her whole life believing she is a princess worth saving. It reveals her to be just “selfish little piece of shit”. Heheheee….

If it is hard for men to swallow this, how much harder would it be for a woman to swallow it?”

This is the heart of red pill and the cause of red pill rage.

Learning that the average woman is NOT the princess you were raised to save but a “selfish little piece of shit”.
And so is the next one and the next.
None are special. None are worthy of saving. All are in it not for you but for themselves.

It makes indifference so easy and frame becomes just breathing.
Because I know what you are.
I’m not mean. I’m not a player. I’m not messing with you.
I TRULY will forget about you.
You are as unique and special as the cold beer I had a lunch. Refreshing, enjoyable at the time but memorable? Worthy of my time?

THIS is the feeling more and more men are coming to.
Forget causes, marches, movements.
Women Know the power of feelings over logic.

Well….this is becoming the default mood of men.
And your openness in hypergamy and nuclear rejection is the cause.

Sergey always makes great contributions and I love Mgtowhorsemans advice – work to make things unfair in your favor, yes yes yes!
You cannot have equality until there is but one person left. Even people born in the month of May are happier on average (maybe something to do with early exposure to fine weather?). Perhaps we should kill off everyone born in other months. Equality is nonsense. Funny how the same people championing diversity want equality. Way to set yourself up for failure…

FML is correct, try to present the same opportunities for all and then people can succeed or fail on their own.

Also, let’s work with the assumption that everyone we meet is a “selfish little piece of shit” and work from there. If men are being taught that women are that way (I won’t argue against that), then women should be taught the same. Proceed with caution, everybody.

I do think most people, socialized today and without even rudimentary situational awareness walk around feeling privaleged and unconsciously selfish.
Most people are not malicious but they are incredibly selfish.

Be yourself
Your true unrestrained self.
Dont worry about what people think of you. They don’t
You are not special nor is any other snowflake

Given that this is the definition of equal, it is an incomplete sentence to say that A and B are equal. For the sentence to be a complete sentence, it must be stated of what value, measure, or quantity A and B are equal.

Therefore, the real sentence is this: “A and B are equal, in terms of … .”

“I am your equal” or “You are my equal” or any equivalent phrase are all incomplete sentences. To be complete, each beginning phrase must be completed by a phrase similar to “in terms of” – naming the value, measure, or quanity in which you and I are equal.

Notice that those pushing the issue of equality in the public market place only ever say “A and B” are equal”, or should be equal. They never follow up with “in terms of”. Because, if they did, we would be able to call them to account. When you define what the term are in which A and B are equal, or should be equal, it then becomes quite easy to define a test to measure the correctness (or silliness) of the claim.

Accountability must be avoided at all costs. For when the people see that the emperor truly has no clothes, the empire crumbles. And if the empire of which we are a part crumbles, whatever are we going to do with our lives? So – keep the slogans and accusations non-specific, so that the masses won’t wake up the the fact that there is no there there.

That’s the way to maintain a following of folks who don’t know how to think for themselves. I can’t think of anything more abhorent then to be followed by such people. Me and them are not equal – in terms of our desires to be self-directed.

The logic of my previous post applies equally to the phrase “A and B are equally deserving.” For us to test whether this is true or not, the phrase must be stated this way: “A and B are equally deserving – of … “. Only then can we evaluate the correctness or silliness of the proposition. But, again – to do so leave one open to being called to account. And we can’t have that, for we might lose our followers. So we stick to nonsensical, non-specific proclamations, and those who look to us for direction swallow the stuff whole.

Horseman,
It is not just that. I had a roommate years ago that wrote estimates for roofing in California.About three quarters of it goes to Workman’s Compensation. What will this business do when their female employees start falling off roofs?
I think that it is getting difficult to recruit Mexicans to do this work here in the US.

Equality should be based on merit and opportunity. Though to me? Equality is about not being discriminated when you have done nothing wrong.
Take housewives for example, the fact they are doing good work but are discriminated against because their work is not $$$ is unequal. Work is work.

Sergy, so much like what I saw in mainland China during a visit in the late 1990s. Lots of looking busy but no pride, passion, or ownership of the work. It was “just a job.” No incentive to do more than the minimal… No reward for doing more than the minimal.

Where I live the largest immigrant group is Russian. Some may begrudge them, but they work hard and they work together. They “get the opportunity many Americans can no longer see, nor are willing to work for. They are also, bc of the culture they came from I am sure, experts at working the socialist programs. Many fault them for it but I think it’s just “the way things worked” and so there’s no stigma in taking the govt. for all it will provide to get ahead. I have known families of four, each memeber having three jobs each and pooling all they earned to further the family. How many Americans see it that way anymore?

Not that there aren’t many Americans who do work hard and embrace the opportunities but I guess what I am saying is too often they don’t. Maybe some get soft, having it too easy?

As one Romanian gal I knew in college who was working multiple jobs as were all of her family, “why would anyone work for minimum wage, when they could do so much better?” I did not know how to reply except to say, “That’s a really good question…”

Hopefully Trump will reignite that fire in America, life is what YOU make it. Not what anyone (especially the govt) owes you. Far better to make one’s way in life than nurse the govt. teat, except in times of short term emergency beyond one’s control like true disability etc. (vs. making it a lifestyle) IMHO anyway. Welfare should be a safety net, not a career.

“Nah. There are some individual women who have decided “whoa, this is going too far!”, they tend to be people personally affected. LIke the 2nd stage Colorado feminist who was upset when her own son was arrested on an arguably false rape charge. Or the over 40 women who realize that maybe “all men are rapists” wasn’t quite true. The aging Boomer bitches living alone in their 60’s who now realize that frivorce they filed 15 years back wasn’t such a good idea. But movement? Nah.”

Horseman,
The women you describe are out there, but they are not complaining. If anything, the last that I saw, they are on internet dating sites trying to line up a new “husband”.
Cougaring won’t work as a source of support for women. The young ones cost them money.
i don’t know how or when reality will hit this market, but when it does, you woill hear some howling.

Thanks God, things are very un-equal regarding to Europe and the States.
For instance:

Religion: In Europe we have the Gothic church around the corner. In USA they have the TV preacher next door. It is normal to take religion in a more laid back way when is more a cultural background you can see in daily basis in many old buildings, paintings, sculptures around. The very roots of Christianity regarding to ground are in Israel and Syria (poor Syria! the very first homeland of the Church). In the Mediterranean, the same sea that baths Greece, Italy, Cyprus, Malta, Croacia, Montenegro, Spain… Christendom is in the air.
When religion is more an abstract concept, without roots in the local ground, like happens in the USA, tends to be more literal (“the word kills and the spirit gives life”, said St. Paul) therefore more brainwashing and crazy.

Sex: In Europe prostitution is legal in most countries. In the USA It is legal only in Nevada.
Prostitution being legal makes much more difficult the Blue Pill. When the average Joe is accustomed to shag extremely attractive women without any problem (just a fistful of €) in regular basis it is actually way more difficult to get manipulated into the “beta bucks” dynamics by any average demanding bitch.

Politics: I am so amazed of how the liberals in the States are so brainwashed by cultural marxism. In Belarus (the only official marxist country in Europe) they do not know what the hell is “cultural marxism”. In fact is probably the most proud to be white and proud to be Christian country in the entire world.
Probably that is the reason why beautiful and peaceful Belarus got into the “Axis of Evil” by American neocons.

So you are Romanian? That is fab! That it is why you understand that WS should be a safety net, not a career. In Europe most people take it as safety net. t seems only the Muslims living in Europe take it as a career.
I have been once in Romania. So beautiful. We have a huge Romanian community in Spain (1 million people). All of them (except the Romanian gypsis which are the minority) are decent hard working people and they fit perfectly in the Spanish culture.
By the way… would you include the Black Sea as an extension of the Mediterranean?

Trying to teach my current girl RP ways. Hit her up last weekend … with “The lies about women who are called sluts”. Lol, cause the previous week when we were together and she wanted sex, she made a self reference “don’t want to be a slut but ….” and yeah I was supposed to pick up on it and react accordingly …and I did. She wanted to be fucked again and didn’t want to admit that she wanted it. Typical woman.

So this weekend I brought up the distinction of the “Slut” and how men like them and how women don;’t. Wanna be my slut ???? See, men love a slut. As a GF, as a wife. as long a the women is a slut ONLY for her man. MAJOR DISTINCTION … be a slut only for your guy … GOOD !!!

Know who doesn’t like a slut ? Other women. WOMEN SLUT SHAM WOMEN WHO ARE SLUTS … not men. Why ? Tryied to tell her that (GF) and didn’t make much progress. WOMEN !!!

So my GF, she wanna be a slut … hit it up … ITS ALL GOOD !!! Not cool if its with another guy. REALLY NOT COOL if another girl finds out you been fucking guys as sport looking to find the best one you can find.

Iberian, no I am not Romanian, but had friends who were and allowed me to see their culture once they moved to the United States. I am born in America to parents who were 1st generation born of Czech and Dane on one side, and Back to the Mayflower mix of English, German, French, and Scandinavian on the other. But no Romanian (that I know of!) cheers!

I just love sluts. In general. When I am lucky enough to be with a slut I do not expect her to be monogamic. In fact, I have never been with a woman who was not a slut.
Women are promiscuous by nature. Men are much more monogamic. I never met a women with oneitis. Oneitis is the norm among men. Otherwise how it comes the Blue Pill? Women have never been Blue Pill. Women always have been Red Pill about men and about themselves.
In the past, women were only stopped in their sluttie behavior by pregnancy. Since we have so good contraceptives (1960s) women can go on in their sluttie career, easily until 60.

Prolly nobody will read this cause this thread has moved on. And most women would certainly not enjoy the site because its a bit too much Red-Pill for most. Including a lot of men. Yeah … warning … lots of juvenile touted as “mature” … and it ain’t, we get it. Most men know that anyway. So flail away … here is a link … as a follow up to what I posted earlier. Apt title: Equality now: END THE FEMALE FREE RIDE. Read at your own risk: http://www.returnofkings.com/111372/equality-now-end-the-female-free-ride