"Why Isn't There Room for Both God and Science?" - Think Atheist2015-08-03T00:54:21Zhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/why-isnt-there-room-for-both?commentId=1982180%3AComment%3A397880&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=noQuite so. What I was trying t…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2010-10-22:1982180:Comment:3978802010-10-22T02:24:56.833ZMatt Coulthursthttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/MattCoulthurst
Quite so. What I was trying to convey, unlike many of the other responses, would be to hold back on correcting the false assumptions and errors in his post.<br />
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The idea would be to subtly keep him thinking about this sort of thing, introduce the concepts of critical thinking and allow him to reach his own conclusions. Keep asking questions and have him find the answers.<br />
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If you go for the easy "intellectual fix" of pointing out the flaws in his reasoning it will, as you said, more than likely…
Quite so. What I was trying to convey, unlike many of the other responses, would be to hold back on correcting the false assumptions and errors in his post.<br />
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The idea would be to subtly keep him thinking about this sort of thing, introduce the concepts of critical thinking and allow him to reach his own conclusions. Keep asking questions and have him find the answers.<br />
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If you go for the easy "intellectual fix" of pointing out the flaws in his reasoning it will, as you said, more than likely push him back into the ever-loving arms of religious dogma. A good contradiction is that…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2010-10-22:1982180:Comment:3978432010-10-22T01:02:12.698ZCJoehttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Cara83
A good contradiction is that God promised his people he would not hold them accountable for the sins of their fathers, yet we're all being held accountable for the "sin" of Adam and Eve (if curiosity is actually a sin).<br></br>
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"The soul who sins is the one who will die. <b><u>The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son.</u></b> The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged…
A good contradiction is that God promised his people he would not hold them accountable for the sins of their fathers, yet we're all being held accountable for the "sin" of Adam and Eve (if curiosity is actually a sin).<br/>
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"The soul who sins is the one who will die. <b><u>The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son.</u></b> The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him." Ezekial 18:20<br/>
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"You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, <b><u>punishing the children for the sin of the fathers</u></b> to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me." Exodus 20:5<br/>
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Like I said, we're ALL held responsible for "Original Sin", which is absurd. And this is just ONE contradiction, and it actually stumped my mother. Of course, she defaulted to the "I don't understand the mind of God" comeback and said she was not a Bible scholar. *sigh* *fumbles in pocket*
"Rush Li…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2010-10-22:1982180:Comment:3978172010-10-22T00:09:32.329ZMatt Coulthursthttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/MattCoulthurst
*fumbles in pocket*<br />
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<b>"Rush Limbaugh, I choose you!"</b><br />
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*flings poke-ball on the ground*<br />
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Bet you didn't know I had one of those, did you?<br />
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Gotta catch 'em all!
*fumbles in pocket*<br />
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<b>"Rush Limbaugh, I choose you!"</b><br />
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*flings poke-ball on the ground*<br />
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Bet you didn't know I had one of those, did you?<br />
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Gotta catch 'em all! Nice!tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2010-10-21:1982180:Comment:3978012010-10-21T23:57:04.331ZReggiehttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Reggie
Nice!
Nice! I've had it with these people…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2010-10-21:1982180:Comment:3975032010-10-21T18:53:21.718ZV John Merchttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/vm7488
I've had it with these people (Religious and Agnostics) who like to use a backfiring argument. "I bet you can't prove he does't exist".<br />
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god definitely does not exist.<br />
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I'll prove an analogy.<br />
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I know ALL of you here do not have in their pockets a pink ball, with a red dot and a blue square drawn in it, and the dot and a square is separated by a green stripe, and when you open that ball, a smoke puffs and Rush Limbaugh will suddenly appear.<br />
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Reasonable disclaim of the fantastic.<br />
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there is no god…
I've had it with these people (Religious and Agnostics) who like to use a backfiring argument. "I bet you can't prove he does't exist".<br />
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god definitely does not exist.<br />
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I'll prove an analogy.<br />
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I know ALL of you here do not have in their pockets a pink ball, with a red dot and a blue square drawn in it, and the dot and a square is separated by a green stripe, and when you open that ball, a smoke puffs and Rush Limbaugh will suddenly appear.<br />
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Reasonable disclaim of the fantastic.<br />
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there is no god that created the universe, or did anything at all = reasonable guessing.<br />
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There's more certainty in claiming nothing, that claiming there is something "fantastic".<br />
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For the record, modern astrophysicists and cosmologists are beginning to dismiss that a big-bang ever happened at all, or is not the beginning, but it definitely is not a god.<br />
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I'd sympathize with him (a little) if he has a god like "Spinoza's", he thinks science is right - I check with that... but he thinks Adam, Eve, Cain, and the fantastical paradise garden <i>Exists</i>?<br />
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<blockquote>The Bible clearly states there were other people before Adam and Eve. Cain was afraid he would be killed if he was put out of the Garden, so God marked him to protect him, also, Cain found a wife and had offspring.</blockquote>
he needs to re-read the bible again. Clearly doesn't know the full story. Adam was the uncontested "first one" in the bible. There was however, a person before eve - and was created almost the same time as Adam, according to the scriptures. Her name was Lilith. Read more about her somewhere. This man is wrong, because if…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2010-10-21:1982180:Comment:3974572010-10-21T18:22:34.586ZV John Merchttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/vm7488
This man is wrong, because if there is anything that created the universe, it's not Abraham's god, or Spinoza's god. It's the Flying Spaghetti Monster, with it's infinite powers and the holiness of it's noodly appendage.<br />
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They have divine evidence for this: <a href="http://www.venganza.org/category/sightings/" target="_blank">http://www.venganza.org/category/sightings/</a>
This man is wrong, because if there is anything that created the universe, it's not Abraham's god, or Spinoza's god. It's the Flying Spaghetti Monster, with it's infinite powers and the holiness of it's noodly appendage.<br />
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They have divine evidence for this: <a href="http://www.venganza.org/category/sightings/" target="_blank">http://www.venganza.org/category/sightings/</a> I am almost coming to the opi…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2010-10-21:1982180:Comment:3973852010-10-21T17:17:54.342ZPerthyhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/perthy21
I am almost coming to the opinion that people like this just believe whatever they are told, whether it be from Science or Religion, as long as they can somehow squeeze it into what they already believe. If that's the case, then he's not critically thinking at all, just trying to fit in with as many people as he can.
I am almost coming to the opinion that people like this just believe whatever they are told, whether it be from Science or Religion, as long as they can somehow squeeze it into what they already believe. If that's the case, then he's not critically thinking at all, just trying to fit in with as many people as he can. While I'll agree with the gen…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2010-10-21:1982180:Comment:3973292010-10-21T15:23:40.659ZJohnnyhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Johnny
While I'll agree with the general premise of '<i>if they must be religious, at least let them be accepting of science</i>'...<br />
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People like this are still delusional, and do present there own 'threats.' - When the fundamentalists push to have Creationism/ID replace science when taught in schools, the moderates stand up against that because that is religion replacing science wholesale. But when a middle-grounder both-are-possible type like this pushes to have Creationism/ID taught <i>along…</i>
While I'll agree with the general premise of '<i>if they must be religious, at least let them be accepting of science</i>'...<br />
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People like this are still delusional, and do present there own 'threats.' - When the fundamentalists push to have Creationism/ID replace science when taught in schools, the moderates stand up against that because that is religion replacing science wholesale. But when a middle-grounder both-are-possible type like this pushes to have Creationism/ID taught <i>along with</i> science, many more the religious jump on board to that idea.<br />
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In my general experience, this guy has made some huge gains in logic and reason overcoming faith; but he's hit a wall and is still holding onto that shred of faith. The question remains to see if he can overcome that wall and shed more faith? Or will he forever cling to that faith, trapped on that side of the wall? Anyone with a shred of scient…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2010-10-21:1982180:Comment:3972432010-10-21T13:29:17.605ZApplehttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Apple
Anyone with a shred of scientific knowledge knows that man was created from spaghetti sauce, and The Great One™ took one of man's meat balls to create woman.
Anyone with a shred of scientific knowledge knows that man was created from spaghetti sauce, and The Great One™ took one of man's meat balls to create woman. ...and the Qu'ran says man wa…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2010-10-21:1982180:Comment:3972212010-10-21T12:54:29.037ZBrian Stewarthttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/BrianStewart
...and the Qu'ran says man was created from 'water'...Surah 25.54. Take your pick!
...and the Qu'ran says man was created from 'water'...Surah 25.54. Take your pick!