(Via Dana Loesch) […] Those who say Bundy is a “deadbeat” are making inaccurate claims. Bundy has in fact paid fees to Clark County, Nevada in an arrangement pre-dating the BLM.

The BLM arrived much later, changed the details of the setup without consulting with Bundy — or any other rancher — and then began systematically driving out cattle and ranchers.

Bundy refused to pay BLM, especially after they demanded he reduce his herd’s head count down to a level that would not sustain his ranch. Bundy OWNS the water and forage rights to this land. He paid for these rights. He built fences, established water ways, and constructed roads with his own money, with the approval of Nevada and BLM.

When BLM started using his fees to run him off the land and harassing him, he ceased paying. So should BLM reimburse him for managing the land and for the confiscation of his water and forage rights?

Cliven Bundy’s problem isn’t that he didn’t pay — he did — or that his cattle bother tortoises — they don’t — it’s that he’s not a Reid donor.

**One last thought: For those conservatives saying that since BLM arrived in the late 90s, it’s the law now, well, so is Obamacare. (read full outline)

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Where is the Nevada National Guard? Shouldn’t they be there to protect the people of Nevada?
The Governor could be another Rudy Giannini if he would only call them out to stand up for the people. What would the BLM/Hessians do when faced with Nevada citizen soldiers?

The National Guard of the United States, part of the reserve components of the United States Armed Forces, is a reserve military force, composed of National Guard military members or units of each state and the territories of Guam, of the Virgin Islands, and of Puerto Rico, as well as of the District of Columbia, for a total of 54 separate organizations. All members of the National Guard of the United States are also members of the militia of the United States as defined by 10 U.S.C. § 311

Current through Pub. L. 113-88. (See Public Laws for the current Congress.)

US Code

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

US Constitution Article I, Section 8, Clause 15 allows the militia to be called up only for domestic purposes. Clause 16 reserves appointment of officers and training of the militia to the states. Both of these clauses preclude the National Guard from being a militia according to the Constitution.

NRS 412.034 Governor as Commander in Chief; regulations. The Governor is the Commander in Chief of the militia of the State, and may issue regulations for the government of the militia. In issuing the regulations, the Governor may give consideration to the laws and regulations of the United States relating to the organization, discipline and training of the militia, to the provisions of this chapter and to the laws and regulations governing the United States Army and United States Air Force.

Sounds to me like the governor has the power to command the Nevada National Guard

NRS 412.042 Military staff of Governor.
1. The military staff of the Governor consists of the Adjutant General, not more than two assistant adjutants general and personal aides-de-camp to the Governor selected from the commissioned officers of the Nevada National Guard or from reserve officers of the Armed Forces of the United States who are residents of Nevada and who are not serving on extended active duty.
2. Officers detailed as personal aides-de-camp under this section shall not be relieved from their ordinary duties except when actually on duty with the Governor.
3. The military staff of the Governor shall perform such ceremonial functions and duties as the Governor may prescribe.

Hence obama’s purging of our military of Constitutional, Oath Honoring, Americanist officers, including the most senior in our nukes forces. Basically, any who would hesitate to fire upon their fellow citizens. FEDGOV has proven numerous times in recent history and beyond it’s willingness to shed American blood on our own soil, let alone in foreign “nation building” fiascos. Has anyone heard anything concerning overhead drones above the area of the Bundy Ranch yet?

For example, The Virginia Defense Force is “governed by the military laws of Virginia and managed by the Virginia Department of Military Affairs. The chain of command for the force consists of the Governor of Virginia (Commander-in-Chief), Adjutant General of Virginia, and Commanding General of the Virginia Defense Force.”

The NG belongs to their respective state governors until they are put under the DoD by Presidential order. National Guard members sign the same DD Form 4 enlistment contract that Reserve and Active Duty personnel do but also swear a separate oath to their respective state’s governor at another place on the form. Y’all remember Katrina where Gov Blanco refused to allow the Guard to be put under Federal command and no one on the Federal side had the nerve to go around her and have their command involuntarily put under Gen Honore? We did have NG here under Federal command – just not ours. If the Nevada gov called out the Guard he at first find the President taking control over them and either sending them back to their barracks or turning them against the civilians. State would also probably find a lot of its inflowing Federal funds temporarily lost in the mail – to say the least.
1957 – Arkansas Gov Faubus deploys ARNG to block Federal orders integrating Little Rock schools. 20 days later President Eisenhower Federalizes the ARNG and thereby prevents Gov Faubus from blocking the school system’s integration. 1963 – University of Alabama. JFK federalizes the ALNG, removing it from Gov Wallace’s control and orders it to support the integration of the UofA. See how this works?

Yes, she did,didn’t she? But I bet the people who herald her as being some sort of “Champion for Social Justice” don’t have the same feelings about Cliven Bundy. Do you think that’s because he’s white, or because he’s actually a productive member of society?

Regarding Rosa Parks — that fine woman was a productive member of society, as were most black Americans in 1955.

Commie Democrats didn’t take them for a few more years, and turn them back into this completely surreal version of slavery that is voluntary, including voluntarily being de-educated, voluntarily hating whomever the master says to hate, voluntarily having babies for cash money, and voluntarily deciding to live a life of violence, greed, avarice, and sloth.

Between 1890 and 1940, more adult blacks were married in America than whites.

I Never said that Rosa Parks wasn’t a productive member of society. I only questioned whether Cliven Bundy’s rights are being overlooked today because he is productive, unlike most of the people who currently rant for “social justice.”

LJP, I know. That wasn’t a dig at you. That was me going off on a tangent, because “productive citizens” got me thinking of what the Democrats did, that got us to this place where the Louisville PD can’t do anything at all about a bunch of teenagers.

Truman was right, of course. Evil and sick and in Hell, but right, when he said that he’d have “those N’rs voting Democratic for the next two hundred years.”

I wish I was wrong, but I don’t foresee, based on what I see, a mass-turnaround until Christ Himself returns.

Dana Loesch is reporting that this all has to do with a Chinese company called ENN that employs Dingy Harry’s son Rory as a lobbyist. The company wants to build a solar panel company on the land Bundy uses for grazing his cattle. It was reported that land in Clark County was already sold to the Chinese company for a measly $4.5 billion when the land is worth $34.6 billion. Is someone getting a nice, big, fat “campaign” donation or a little sumpin’ sumpin’ on the side?

The tortoise was not indigenous to the area, but was moved there by the BLM from its original habitat so that the orginal land could be developed by one of Harry’s donors. In 2013 alone, the BLM killed off between 700-830 tortoises on the ranch land where the tortoises had been moved and then declared the tortoises as an endangered species. From that time on, the BLM confiscated 52 ranches. Bundy was the holdout. This is not about the tortoises at all as the cattle don’t bother them. This is about money and favors.

Why was Hannity saying tonight that he can’t understand what the Federal government wants with the land? Obviously, if there is a potential deal for purchase of the land by an aforementioned Chinese Company, the Govenor knows about it and is not stepping in for that reason. SO, if others can uncover the facts, WHY CAN’T FOX NEWS?

(Head banging on wall) Come on, am I the only one reading these posts who’s dealt with the BLM on land and water ‘rights’? People out west do not ‘own’ water if the BLM or any other Federal horse-fly bureaucrat says they don’t. Water ‘rights’ are far more complicated than the ‘yours/mine/theirs’ ownership issues elsewhere and the BLM has an army of paralegals and lawyers who can keep a landowner tied up in courts until he’s flat broke. To folks who don’t have to deal with BLM the agency’s an abstract – to those who do it’s an agency that would make the Gestapo cringe with shame. The BLM’s the primary vehicle the Feds are using to steal land from ranchers and farmers in the West – think I’m exaggerating then buy a plot west of the Line of Green and stand back.

That’s true. I know a landowner who put boulders into a creek to slightly divert the flow on their own land. Some environmental wackos saw it and complained. It took a court battle to resolve. The government always hopes to outlast the landowner’s money for lawyers and they usually do since the taxpayers pay for government lawyers. Water rights in the west are complicated issues and usually have to be resolved in courts. It’s expensive and sometimes futile especially if the feds are involved.

Flowing water is a resource. What if Google or the NSA built a college campus-sized superlab (like the one in UTAH, or the two off both coasts, in Google’s case) on any multi-state river, and cut off the water to the ranchers who provide our steaks and cheeseburgers? And they have the political clout. “Standing” , word I wish I could ban from the lexicon of jurisprudence. As does China, here.

We had a convoluted irrigation system out west, part of which included irrigation water running down city streets to reach fields. We also had creeks and streams, many seasonal, running through pastures and grazing areas some ‘private’ and some Federal. We couldn’t dam the creeks or streams but the Feds could. We cut off a neighbor’s water flow and we’d be in court and/or a shootin’ situation – but he feds could. BLM and the Eastern version of the BLM are out too claim all waters, above, on or below ground, as a Federal resource and when they do our public access to water may well be a thing of the past. If the situation vis-a-vis is screwed up and takes Federal intervention then why are the same poeple that screwed it up/let it get screwed up the ones to unscrew it? I rely upon my lake and take care of it as it takes care of me. Some Beltway bureaucrat-in-training with a degree in ethnic dance is going to do better taking care of my lake from a distance than I am? Thought China learned its lesson with the Red Guard?

I used to work with water rights… and yes it’s complicated. (I worked in AZ) – But in the West it comes down to 2 basic things…

1) First in Time… First in Right : If you get there first and use it first… you get get first dibs. When water runs low… first users get first dibs… newer users, too bad.
2) You gotta use it to keep it: AZ had a 5 year rule – you had to keep using that water for its stated purpose within a 5 year time-frame (i.e. – you had to keep a stockpond full of water and use it as such to water stock (cattle or sheep) at least once within that 5 years. If you didn’t do this… the right was gone. Null and void. You could re-file for it… but it would be a brand new right… not old. (See #1)

Most Western states are very much the same… I don’t know Nevada Water Law in particular, but would guess it’s very similar. No – Mr. Bundy would not OWN the Water Rights – they actually would be tied to the land itself… (the source of the water or the water improvement) For example… he can’t take them with him if he leaves… If he sells the property they stay with the property and would be transferred to the new owners. Same with grazing rights (I only dealt a bit with this at Water Resources… BLM were not my favorite people to deal with…)

I would like to see the particulars of the water/grazing rights on his farm/property. As well as what’s going on with this “Chinese Solar Plant.” This is starting to make sense. By taking away his cattle… and if they take all of them away… they will keep him from using his water and grazing-land. They can say he “gave up” his “Rights” and take them away… leaving him with worthless land. I’ve heard of the Gov. doing this before…

Someone has fingers in this mix. Cattle pose a minimal danger to a f*&^%$^%$ tortoise/turtle. Cattle graze and the slightest movement when they have their heads down makes them jump – the possibility of their being stepped on by a cow is about the same a s- oh, let”s say – a solar panel falling on them. Biggest danger is that a ow will break its leg by stepping in a burrow some turtle may be living in. This is less cow and more bull.
As for water rights the problem pout west is how much of the west the Feds own – in Nevada’s case it’s around 86%. When you own that much of a state you throw a lot of weight and, as China’s doing in Tibet, you can control water flows if that water crosses any Federal land. As far as grazing and water ‘rights’ on Federal land the user’s access can change at the drop of a hat. Feds make and break the rules and can pull a revision out of their Federal nether regulation repository area at will. The Department of the Interior and the USDA are two heads on the same Federal snake that need their fangs pulled, not filed. People underestimate the powers of those two agencies to wreak havoc until they come face-to-face with one or both in a not nice way.

No surprise there. The Lame Stream Media won’t touch that aspect with a ten foot pole. They have a reciprocally parasitic relationship with the government that provides them with a thoroughly brainwashed public to help them generate/collect advertising revenues.

So the reports are now saying that not long after pleas were made for people to use social media (such as twitter) to encourage members of local militia to come to the Bundy ranch, cell towers have been shut down and legally owned firearms are being confiscated.

Yup. But that delays the process and prevents real time mobilization of the Citizen Militia resources. Gives the feds time to “Isolate and Marginalize” any opposition. But I’m sure the FCC would intervene if any citizens started jamming BLM radios, or used cell phone signal disrupters of their own.

Too bad the militia doesn’t have large supplies of weather balloons they can tether over the operations areas to prevent the take off and landing of those helicopters….

I was confused over who owned the land that BLM is taking the cattle from. I found this video which really explains that the land is public lands and are not owned by the federal govn’t they are owned by the people of Nevada. The federal govn’t only manages the land. There are three videos about this exact same situation in Nye County NV. This is the link for the first video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaEKB8pU2Tw&t=5m40s You can see the other 2 videos on this same site. Interesting to see the BLM is overstepping its authority.

Yes, only a very few good journalists are up against an army of programmed MSM, so to paraphrase: Now is the time for all TRUE PATRIOTS to come to the aid of this rancher. This will be another turning point for us.. but hopefully not as bloody as Waco or Ruby Ridge.

From lack of knowledge, I suspect many citizens will likely fall victim to the media lies and end up on the wrong side. Ignorance is the result of being too lazy to research the issue. Progs have been trained to do that but, in this complex case, I notice many who claim to be Constitutionalists prematurely jumping to the conclusion that Bundy is simply wrong. Someone here made a post about a relative who had “turned,” sold his soul and was there in uniform. That is disturbing. So now we have to battle traitors within our own families, too….all for the love of money… Oh, Boy, this could get ugly as tempers flare.. It is so easy for even the best of us to lose control emotionally.

The search for Truth is not an easy route. Thankfully we have a few sites like this that help us unravel the story. I wonder if we have any “current events” teachers in our schools brave enough to use this as a history lesson.

It should be clear now that Civil Disobedience in this country will be met with violent reactions from the Feds UNLESS that civil disobedience is from Democrat voters. The hypocrisy is institutionalized under Holder and the King.

The land they are beating the Bundy family up over is not a conservation area
Harry Reid is trying to make it so but it has not passed congress.;

Summary: S.1054 — 113th Congress (2013-2014)

Shown Here:
Introduced in Senate (05/23/2013)

Gold Butte National Conservation Area Act – Establishes the Gold Butte National Conservation Area in Nevada.

Establishes the Gold Butte National Conservation Area Advisory Council.

Designates specified wilderness areas administered by the National Park Service (NPS) or the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) in Clark County, Nevada, as wilderness and as components of the National Wilderness Preservation System.

Authorizes the Secretary, through the BLM, to establish a visitor center and field office in Mesquite, Nevada, to assist in fulfilling the purposes of the Lake Mead National Recreation Area, the Grand Canyon-Parashant National Monument, and the Conservation Area.

States that the withdrawal of specified parcels of BLM lands for use by the Bureau of Reclamation is terminated.

Requires the Conservation Area and the wilderness areas designated by this Act to be administered as components of the National Landscape Conservation System.

As I posted before, the same exact tactics were used in Kalifornia. (Training?) Because of the “endangered” desert tortoise and other “endangered” species, ranchers, small businesses, miners, recreation, homesteaders, etc. were all prohibited and moved off the land by BLM. Once the land was cleared, then the government moved in by providing the land to solar and other “green” energy businesses. As we now know, these “green” energy installations sterilize the land they are built on and continue, year after year to kill and maim animals, birds and insects by the thousands, including many of their previously designated “endangered” species. This incident in Nevada is definitely not about the desert tortoise or any other animal, bird or insect species. Someone in political power is making BIG money at the taxpayers expense and I would bet all of my life savings it is the democrats, (Dingy Harry and company?) thou they are certainly being enabled by the eGOP. If this isn’t stopped right here, America may as well get used to Communist rule (Chairman Obama?) and a new status as a third world country. Thank you Obama and the liberal DemocRATS!