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Nath.

I can only see this as being detrimental to road safety and the road toll. As it removes a (very minor) hurdle that still needed to be fulfilled.

Most new riders now are fuck awful, chasing LAMS bikes with TC and ABS so that they don't need to bother to learn how to brake and accelerate correctly.

I can only surmise at what the state government's end game is, at a guess is to deliberately increase the road toll on motorcyclist to crack down even harder on them and open the flood gates for harder penalties.

Trying to think of a wise and sincere signature quote, but the only words that leap to mind are, "TITTY SPRINKLES"

When my friend Pete lived over here he had his R-E. When he moved to the eastern states the transport body over there said what's R-E? They didn't have the equivalent and asked how long have you had R-E for and he said 'forever', and gave him open class.

I can only see this as being detrimental to road safety and the road toll. As it removes a (very minor) hurdle that still needed to be fulfilled.

Most new riders now are fuck awful, chasing LAMS bikes with TC and ABS so that they don't need to bother to learn how to brake and accelerate correctly.

I can only surmise at what the state government's end game is, at a guess is to deliberately increase the road toll on motorcyclist to crack down even harder on them and open the flood gates for harder penalties.

I agree with your quote turboR1 ,but i kinda feel the floodgate's opened a while back now ,and the way guy's and girl's keep crashing at the moment at least one serious one a month in the O'Briens rd area which is littered with crashed bikes under the current rules expect a lot more road trauma up there under the new rule's for sure.

Your right on abs ,tc and the other technology learn to ride without it otherwise who is really riding the bike i suspect the intell chip.

Take your time do the lessons ,then get some training and slowly rise up through the rank's.

Silly, silly thing if it comes to pass...
Especially with the lack of rider training facilities...

Even the P platers way would be much better (x hours with an experienced person). Otherwise yeah, increase in icidents, which will increase the scrutiny on motorcycles, and there goes the nanny state..
Short sighted money gains... like the rego stickers etc...

After some thought i think its a progressive step after lams, compare it to before LAMS, you could only ride a little 250 pisspot. then after only 12 months and one day, BAM 1100 Gixxer here we come! also not forgetting the RGV250 and other 2T's of that era? not a learners bike at all what a great introduction to sports bikes they were and fully legal for some guy to buy from day 1 as soon as they pass the test.

but not everybody bought one

back in the day not everybody even bothered about a bike licence or bothering to sit the big boys test and just rode out of class because the cops would just say "dont be an idiot son, if i catch you again i'll tell your mum... and as a lesson i'm going to confiscate those 3 big browns of VB there in your backpack" lets not forget what WE used to get up to in the days before they would hoon law you for a sideways glance and take your bike off you. ( for example i know someone who used to behave just like that............. )

the bigger LAMS 500 + 650cc bikes are physically equal, brake, corner and handle as an open class bike and for more powerful than a 250cc, sounds like a better training base to me. Everyone thinks they were a good idea and you HAVE to stay on one for 2 years?, not upgrade after 12, surely thats a plus. lets forget raw power surely thats a better foundation for overall bike handling. Take an MT-07 for a spin for instance...

whilst i agree with the whole electronic aids thing on bikes unfortunately that just the way it is and in 5-6 years time it will probably be very hard to buy a bike that doesnt have it. unless your a collector. its like telling your kids about the times before the internet or mobile phones

plus the fact that all the guys going for their lams these days say they have to wait ages for a test spot. this will help.

oh PSB, we wine about how behind the times WA is compared to other places but when they introduce something thats already in at least SA and Vic? outrage!

Your right on abs ,tc and the other technology learn to ride without it otherwise who is really riding the bike i suspect the intell chip.

My brother had a 1942 Indian Scout. I noticed both handgrips rotated and I asked him why. Vacuume advance. You had to manually adjust it as you rode.
Do you have manual vacuume advance on your bike? No? Who's riding the bike, you or the intel chip?

Originally Posted by llbuono

Take your time do the lessons ,then get some training and slowly rise up through the rank's.

I can only surmise at what the state government's end game is, at a guess is to deliberately increase the road toll on motorcyclist to crack down even harder on them and open the flood gates for harder penalties.

My take is that people are getting pissed they have to wait so looooong for their cager license because of lack of assessors, removing m/c tests is just a way to free up spots rather then increase assessors.

I love this comment on stalk bookNo way they make to much money out of people who do something wrong and have re book the ride tests

If they cant pass a simple test they shouldn't be given a license cager or bike.

Last edited by Halo_2; 06-01-2018 at 01:51 PM.

"Some people are like clouds. When they disappear it's a beautiful day"

A mates partner just got a 125cc scooter and was handed a full RE licence (just had to do the HPT) because she'd held a drivers licence for years.

Sounds wrong to me or have they changed the requirements for RE licences as well for experienced drivers?

Last I checked (yesterday) there was still a requirement for a new RE rider to get a learners and then pass the Practical exam.

That's very similar to me this year, had my car licence for 12 years. Went through the learner process for RE, as soon as I passed the RE test, I had full RE licence, no P Plates or anything for that class. So I was riding around as a complete novice but nothing to let other road users know that was inexperienced for that class of vehicle.

I honestly thing there needs to be some sort of 'new to class' plate, to learn other road users that you're an experienced road user but inexperienced to the class of vehicle they are using.

I know this will be controversial in this day and age, but maybe people should take responsibility for their own actions and ride within their own limitations regardless of what a little plastic card says. Just because you can go buy a 1.3 litre motorcycle doesn't mean you should be riding one.

I know this will be controversial in this day and age, but maybe people should take responsibility for their own actions and ride within their own limitations regardless of what a little plastic card says. Just because you can go buy a 1.3 litre motorcycle doesn't mean you should be riding one.

Fuck off cleanshirt, you can't tell me what to do. My bike's a 1300, and that's the way I likes it ! I don't need no man telling me to ride some gutless LAMS piece of shit

I've got a cage license doesn't mean I drive around in a blown 6 litre, likewise I've got my big license and have had for years, no one ever forced me on a bike that I didn't feel comfortable with, for once the government might be letting people take responsibility for themselves, never know it might catch on