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Well I'll probably use the liner most of the time in the middle of the winter but start and end the season without it. I live in MN so it gets pretty cold here and I've never really snowboarded in weather over 40 so I shouldn't have to worry about them being too warm

09-15-2012 12:48 AM

CheeseForSteeze

I never wear the liners, I pack those for lounging afterwards and drinking. I always have been fine wearing them with just a pair of Under Armor Cold Gear 2.0 (their medium weight gear) and keeping the vents zipped. I've done this in weather as cold as -15F on the "peaks" of Sunday River and Killington.

I wore them last year in Stowe in March when it was like a freakish 80F+ and I died. Actually, I was wearing the LTD 686 destructed denim but same deal. Way too much pant for that weather. If you were good @ 70degF, you'll be good in all conditions.

Happy Shredding.

09-15-2012 12:40 AM

Rookie09

They're hot with the liner in them. I was walking around the house in them for a liner in just the shell and compression shorts with the vents open. They were still pretty warm (it's in the 70s) but I could feel the air moving in through the vents with every step. I think they'll do fine both in warm and cold weather

09-14-2012 11:04 PM

2hipp4u

Cool,

I know someone said they are a little warm in the spring, but if you just wear some boxers without the liner and unzip the vents they will be fine.

Good score on the price.

09-14-2012 08:35 PM

Rookie09

pants just arrived. tried em on and they're SICK! they fit me perfectly, even had to tighten up the waist a little bit. These definitely run big. the materials and technology put into these is amazing. im wearing the liner right now and it's like the best pair of sweats i've ever owned haha. im pumped for the season to start! Can't believe I got them for less than $55 they look like they've never been worn!

09-07-2012 10:35 PM

Rookie09

Well I decided to try to 686 smarty. if they're too small im just gonna sell them to my younger brother haha. I'll update when they arrive.

09-06-2012 03:37 PM

Rookie09

ok well the deal for $55 was only on a regular small so it might be a bit short for me if i want them slightly baggy. what did you think about your DCs? Because I found a $40 pair of almost pretty much brand new DCs that retail for $230 with 10k waterproofing. what is the durability like for DC, considering I only ride about 15 times a year so I won't be thrashing them completely.

09-06-2012 02:30 PM

CheeseForSteeze

I love my 686 Smartys. I've had a couple pairs of 686 pants (Smarty and some of their limited edition) and I've worn Nomis (tore those up quick), Nike and DC. I am 5'7" 140# about 31" inseam and I rock a M for a little baggier fit. They come in tall, regular and short lengths though I've rarely seen the short. The M are definitely long inseam, probably would be ok for someone with a 33" or 34" inseam .

The S will do you fine if you get them T. If you are that skinny and you want somewhat fitted the S will be good. If you want baggier, go M and don't get T, get the regular length.

The only thing these pants aren't good for is late spring riding. When the temps go much above 60F, they are just too heavy.

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