justashmoe

All I am looking for is a decent sized TV for the basement that will hook up to cable and play XBox so I can get my son and his friends out of my family room. The price is right, but if there are so many refurbed TVs of the same exact model shouldn't one be skeptical?

bsmith1

justashmoe wrote:All I am looking for is a decent sized TV for the basement that will hook up to cable and play XBox so I can get my son and his friends out of my family room. The price is right, but if there are so many refurbed TVs of the same exact model shouldn't one be skeptical?

Nah. Refurb means the problem was fixed! Should be good as new if not better now.

bluemaple

There's no substitute for judging picture quality in person, but this is a basic 1080p TV for $199. You should not be expecting $750 TV picture quality out of it.

A new 39 inch entry level TV would be priced 50% more in my market.

Quibbling about 60Hz vs... refresh rates is silly at this price - if that bothers you then look at higher end TV's.

The refresh rate game is just that since all mainstream US signal sources are 60Hz max anyway.

Any attempts to "smooth" the refresh rate to a higher perceived number are done via post processing to 'interpolate' (fill in, guess) the video frames in between those 60 frames per second. You're not going to get a decent quality interpolation processor in this price range. And purists want to turn off that processing for some sources anyway since it makes movies look artificial.

BTW, if it makes any difference, I believe Panasonic has owned Sanyo for many years.

BTW2, if you're concerned about it being a refurb (apparently it's not a factory refurb), get the cheap $32 Square Trade warranty on the front page.

justruss

bsmith1 wrote:Nah. Refurb means the problem was fixed! Should be good as new if not better now.

That is my general theory as well. However when I bought this 2 weeks ago in the woot-off, it arrived with a display issue (fine but obvious horizontal black lines from multiple sources & resolutions) and a backlight issue (light leaking through the bottom bezel). Woot said they didn't have any more and would refund me (I sent an email today to see if that could change, given this sale), and Sanyo gave me the run-around via email (said Woot wasn't a partner and they don't support their sales), and I'm still working through the process with them via phone.

jm8881

I bought this tv during the last woot off and have been using it as a computer monitor. It's on much more than my tv and it hasn't had a problem. Of course I've only had it a couple weeks but I'm very happy with it.

uric

Buy one of those Android mini PC for, like, 30-40 dollars and you get yourself a "Smart TV, that would be compatible with most "Google Play" apps! Search for "Android Mini PC" on woots owners (Amazon) or mon many of their competitors' site. You may thank me later.....

ThunderThighs

justruss wrote:That is my general theory as well. However when I bought this 2 weeks ago in the woot-off, it arrived with a display issue (fine but obvious horizontal black lines from multiple sources & resolutions) and a backlight issue (light leaking through the bottom bezel). Woot said they didn't have any more and would refund me (I sent an email today to see if that could change, given this sale), and Sanyo gave me the run-around via email (said Woot wasn't a partner and they don't support their sales), and I'm still working through the process with them via phone.

Feel free to email support@woot.com for assistance. Let them know what you've done so far. A wooter username and order number help.

andruszko

TheRaven wrote:This TV would rock if only it had a VGA or DVI input. Sigh. With a 60Hz refresh it would be great for a small room, gaming PC. Most PC graphic cards output 60hz.

I've been looking for a low-cost 37" to 39" 1080p set that has that capability for my daughter.

I got her a Alienware X51 small form factor gaming PC and if this had the right input, it would be great.

Even though it'll work with HDMI there can be issues with overscan and centering of the output from a PC.

By that I mean that some of the screen can be cut off around the edges and if the TV doesn't have granular image sizing/placement controls, you lose important parts of the screen.

I guess I'll have to keep looking.

No TV is ever "perfect" for a gaming PC. The input lag is horrendous. Even the Sony 3D PS3 Display is terrible for pc gaming. I wouldn't be surprised if a cheaper TV like this one has 35ms + input lag (advertised input lag is almost never true.) Just get her an actual computer monitor on the cheap, if she really NEEDS to output to a tv buy one separately for that. Also, DVI to hdmi adapters are not just 2 bucks...they're typically 10 (still cheap.) Many older video cards also do not have the capabilities to do sound over dvi/HDMI unless set up properly, 60hz is considered slow for gaming, and even if your gpu can put out sound over dvi/hdmi a bad connector will generally not transfer it and many tvs do not support it. All in all just a bad idea.

That being said, for watching movies/etc 60hz is perfectly fine. As long as it has a quality video processor, I don't mind watching a 60hz tv at all and I'm a videophile. Thinking you NEED 120hz+ is just marketing. A decent 60hz tv will always look better than a crappy 120hz.

I can't attest to the quality of this Sanyo's image, but I'm willing to bet it does beat out anything else in the 200$ price range. Definitely a good buy if you're looking for a spare or a budget TV.

glackey77

cengland0

logan43 wrote:a 60Hz refresh rate is way too slow for that quality and it would be really noticeable to anyone who has watched anything on a higher quality tv even once.

I'm probably late in responding as I've seen others comment on this too but nobody has pointed out the obvious.

DVD's in the USA output in 30 frames per second. NTSC standard is 30 but they actually use 29.97 to remove some color artifacts.

Bluray, film, and projection formats use 24 frames per second.

Older technology DVDs used interlaced video meaning each frame only showed half the image such as the even lines and then the next frame had the odd lines. Today, most DVD players are progressive meaning each frame has both the odd and even lines so when you refer to 30 frames a second, you are getting a full 30 frames.

If you buy a 60 hz TV, it is capable of showing you 60 different frames per second; however, the maximum you're going to get is 30 frames per second from your DVD player. The TV will duplicate every frame to make up the 60 frames per second so you will not see any additional information than what is in the source.

Bluray movies at 24 frames per second will have some frames duplicated and others shown 3 times. This is not ideal but most people cannot tell that it's not evenly distributed for all the source frames. Some videophiles claim this can cause the video to appear jerky.

This is where 120 Hz comes in. A DVD can have each frame duplicated exactly 4 times and Bluray can have each frame duplicated exactly 5 times. It's evenly distributed for all video formats.

If you want a 3D TV, the higher refresh rates are desirable because you will have frames for the left eye and different frames for the right eye. A low refresh rate on 3D TVs can cause noticeable flicker.

laart

Word of caution: this unit only has a coaxial digital audio output (that single orange RCA-style connector on the side). Most soundbars (like the Boston TVee and the Polk that Woot was selling recently) come with an optical digital input, and don't have a coaxial one. I have this problem with a Philips TV I have - and using an analog connection isn't a good alternative if you enjoy high-def programming.

lemonflavor

laart wrote:Word of caution: this unit only has a coaxial digital audio output (that single orange RCA-style connector on the side). Most soundbars (like the Boston TVee and the Polk that Woot was selling recently) come with an optical digital input, and don't have a coaxial one. I have this problem with a Philips TV I have - and using an analog connection isn't a good alternative if you enjoy high-def programming.

Regarding that, I have a dumb question. Can I hook this TV up to my older Denon receiver using the RCA cables? On the picture I see two Video In, but it's hard to tell if any of those go out.

manhandsha

lemonflavor wrote:Regarding that, I have a dumb question. Can I hook this TV up to my older Denon receiver using the RCA cables? On the picture I see two Video In, but it's hard to tell if any of those go out.

If you go to Sanyo's website, you can see all the lines in and out of the TV.

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jenner8675309

justruss wrote:That is my general theory as well. However when I bought this 2 weeks ago in the woot-off, it arrived with a display issue (fine but obvious horizontal black lines from multiple sources & resolutions) and a backlight issue (light leaking through the bottom bezel). Woot said they didn't have any more and would refund me (I sent an email today to see if that could change, given this sale), and Sanyo gave me the run-around via email (said Woot wasn't a partner and they don't support their sales), and I'm still working through the process with them via phone.

Sanyo refused to help me at all with my broken TV. Just deal with Woot.

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