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Re: Why are republicans supporting gay marriage now?

Originally Posted by pat grimshaw

^ Fair enough. I will be pricking up my ears each time I hear you talk about the Irish and Non-whites. I remember you also saying something about demographics I didn't quite understand— about more and more Americans over time are claiming to be of Irish descent.

Re: Why are republicans supporting gay marriage now?

^
I can't find the link but you mentioned something about demographics which I assumed you were told at uni— something about how a growing number of Americans were seeing it as desirable to claim Irish heritage.

Re: Why are republicans supporting gay marriage now?

EVERYTHING happens to LGBTs, because EVERY part of society has LGBT members. It's not that LGBTs of color are being discriminated against on here (and you KNOW they aren't), it's that when it's not a directly LGBT-related issue, it takes someone with a particular interest in it to bring it to people's attention. Which, in this case, is you, and without all the annoying guilt-tripping, you could have made it a decent discussion over at CE&P. Instead, you post a thread with a title on the lines of "YOU FUCKERS, HOW DARE YOU NOT POST THIS BEFORE I DID, YOU RACIST PIGS!!!", thus clearly stating that your interest isn't in discussing the subject, but bashing people over not raising it before you did. Which is pointless and not constructive.

That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
- Gene Wolfe

Re: Why are republicans supporting gay marriage now?

The republicans were devastated by their loss in November. They really thought they had it in the bag. Losing has forced them (the saner ones, anyway) to realize that the party has become simply too far out of touch with society. Until now, they've been able to rely on riling up the far-right, religious fundamentalists to bring them votes. This strategy no longer works. They can't be the Fox News party anymore. They need to lay off of divisive social issues like gay marriage (which is becoming less and less divisive as society moves toward equality) and abortion and focus on strictly political conservatism. Arguing that liberal economic policies are flawed might get them somewhere. Arguing that Jesus hates homosexuals will not.

Someone asked me once how I could know that I'm gay if I've never slept with a woman. I've never shoved shards of glass into my eye, either, but I don't have to give it a shot to know that it's not for me.

Re: Why are republicans supporting gay marriage now?

Originally Posted by Rolyo85

EVERYTHING happens to LGBTs, because EVERY part of society has LGBT members. It's not that LGBTs of color are being discriminated against on here (and you KNOW they aren't), it's that when it's not a directly LGBT-related issue, it takes someone with a particular interest in it to bring it to people's attention. Which, in this case, is you, and without all the annoying guilt-tripping, you could have made it a decent discussion over at CE&P. Instead, you post a thread with a title on the lines of "YOU FUCKERS, HOW DARE YOU NOT POST THIS BEFORE I DID, YOU RACIST PIGS!!!", thus clearly stating that your interest isn't in discussing the subject, but bashing people over not raising it before you did. Which is pointless and not constructive.

Oh please, you are the one that is condescending.

You can make as many inferences as you want, but if I want to say it then I will say it. You can dance around with those myopic sugar plum fairies in your head all you want but don't assume anything about me. There is a such thing as empirical evidence and I have 4 years of worth it on this site, so you can swallow a big one on that note. Finally, if and when I want to call some a "RACIST ASSHOLE/BASTARD, etc.", oh trust I will do with no hesitation at all.

In other words, it would be in your best interests NOT to go there with me because I will go there and stay there with you...

I am BEYOND SICK AND TIRED of this one way with this group but another way with this other intentions of LGBT issues on here, so either you (and others whom allow it) acknowledge the fuck ups or be prepared for more of this because I'm not going anywhere unless I want to...

In the end, you haven't noticed is I don't care whom is offended when I know numerous of other members are offended by what I just acknowledge does happen here.

Oh no, you misunderstand. Play this bullshit victim game to your heart's satisfaction. I will point out that it's bullshit every time though, childish threats or no. Guilt-tripping people doesn't work when those people aren't your friends, and you clearly couldn't care less about making friends. So obviously your goal is trolling. That, or you self-sabotage like a champ.

Also, there are gay racists. Being LGBT doesn't make one immune to bigotry, as this forum makes abundantly clear. But if you wanna go on accusing ALL of us of that, it begs the question what are YOU doing here? Some quest for achieving martyrdom?

That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
- Gene Wolfe

Re: Why are republicans supporting gay marriage now?

Originally Posted by Rolyo85

Oh no, you misunderstand. Play this bullshit victim game to your heart's satisfaction. I will point out that it's bullshit every time though, childish threats or no. Guilt-tripping people doesn't work when those people aren't your friends, and you clearly couldn't care less about making friends. So obviously your goal is trolling. That, or you self-sabotage like a champ.

Also, there are gay racists. Being LGBT doesn't make one immune to bigotry, as this forum makes abundantly clear. But if you wanna go on accusing ALL of us of that, it begs the question what are YOU doing here? Some quest for achieving martyrdom?

It beckons the question why are responding to me. Oh yeah, I know you want to feel like you are taking the high road. If anything have been more annoyed at what your claims and assumptions. I am here because I enjoy being apart of a LGBT forum, but not going to participate in neglect actions towards a specific part of the LGBT fold.

Oh yeah, the "internal racism" was clearly misused and not even remotely near what I am doing. It called "drawing/calling attention to something".

Re: Why are republicans supporting gay marriage now?

Make no mistake,many of them still don't. The only reason others are supporting it now is because they realize that it will help them on a local and state level but nationally,it is becoming toxic to them and stopping them from winning elections.

Re: Why are republicans supporting gay marriage now?

Originally Posted by kayman23

It beckons the question why are responding to me. Oh yeah, I know you want to feel like you are taking the high road. If anything have been more annoyed at what your claims and assumptions. I am here because I enjoy being apart of a LGBT forum, but not going to participate in neglect actions towards a specific part of the LGBT fold.

Oh yeah, the "internal racism" was clearly misused and not even remotely near what I am doing. It called "drawing/calling attention to something".

Except, you seem to be more interested in "drawing/calling attention" to the fact that others aren't "drawing/calling attention". That implies you see people as deliberately ignoring racial issue, which implies, you see racial minorities as victims. That is internalized racism.

Anyway, as for "callous negligence" and "flat out omission", that is a joke. Negligence isn't applicable at all, and omission is a lie, and you know it. You can't omit what you don't know.

Let me put it to you in the most direct way possible, so that you will both understand me, and will stop trying to throw around phrases you're obviously not clear on ("high road"? Seriously? Nothing about my interaction with you here is a "high road", the high road would be me ignoring you completely):

I am a white Eastern European. I came out only a few years ago, after coming in the US, and since then I have become much more sensitive to issues of social justice. This is my background.

I have no special interest in black issues. I care about social injustice in all its forms, and it pisses me off no end when people use race to belittle others (though, ironically, that's what you are doing to the white population of this forum currently). I will, without exception, take the side of an oppressed minority, and I will call out anyone who doesn't, as evidenced in every topic I argue with creatures such as Pat or Benvolio. But black issues - same as many other forms of social inequality - have not been a part of my life growing up as a white gay man on the other side of the globe. And since coming out, my primary focus have been issues based on sexuality. I care, but I won't go out of my way to look for stuff that isn't related to that topic. I imagine many people on this board have similar situations. And if that offends you to the point where you feel the need to go berating people for not bringing up something that frankly YOU hadn't brought up until now either, then you gotta ask yourself how much do YOU care about issues not related to your race or sexuality. Maybe you care more than me. Maybe you are posting topics about immigrants and women rights, and abortion, and all the rest of it left and right. Then you are more socially conscious than me. But either way, neither I, nor anyone else here owes you an apology, or to "try better". You see an enemy where there is simply diversity in focus on issues. And seeing an enemy where there isn't one, is a sign of insecurity.

That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
- Gene Wolfe

Re: Why are republicans supporting gay marriage now?

Originally Posted by Rolyo85

Except, you seem to be more interested in "drawing/calling attention" to the fact that others aren't "drawing/calling attention". That implies you see people as deliberately ignoring racial issue, which implies, you see racial minorities as victims. That is internalized racism.

Anyway, as for "callous negligence" and "flat out omission", that is a joke. Negligence isn't applicable at all, and omission is a lie, and you know it. You can't omit what you don't know.

Let me put it to you in the most direct way possible, so that you will both understand me, and will stop trying to throw around phrases you're obviously not clear on ("high road"? Seriously? Nothing about my interaction with you here is a "high road", the high road would be me ignoring you completely):

I am a white Eastern European. I came out only a few years ago, after coming in the US, and since then I have become much more sensitive to issues of social justice. This is my background.

I have no special interest in black issues. I care about social injustice in all its forms, and it pisses me off no end when people use race to belittle others (though, ironically, that's what you are doing to the white population of this forum currently). I will, without exception, take the side of an oppressed minority, and I will call out anyone who doesn't, as evidenced in every topic I argue with creatures such as Pat or Benvolio. But black issues - same as many other forms of social inequality - have not been a part of my life growing up as a white gay man on the other side of the globe. And since coming out, my primary focus have been issues based on sexuality. I care, but I won't go out of my way to look for stuff that isn't related to that topic. I imagine many people on this board have similar situations. And if that offends you to the point where you feel the need to go berating people for not bringing up something that frankly YOU hadn't brought up until now either, then you gotta ask yourself how much do YOU care about issues not related to your race or sexuality. Maybe you care more than me. Maybe you are posting topics about immigrants and women rights, and abortion, and all the rest of it left and right. Then you are more socially conscious than me. But either way, neither I, nor anyone else here owes you an apology, or to "try better". You see an enemy where there is simply diversity in focus on issues. And seeing an enemy where there isn't one, is a sign of insecurity.

Oooo, I drew blood from you. I knew when I said what I said would reveal a lot to not acknowledged...

"insults to the entire white population...and seeing an enemy where there isn't one, is a sign of insecurity."

thank you for saying exactly this, it proves exactly what and where the lack of nuance with discussion of many things of many including yourself possess on here...

With that said, I am done with you. You just proved my point about assumptions. Oh yeah, hit dogs always holler...

Oooo, I drew blood from you. I knew when I said what I said would reveal a lot to not acknowledged...

"insults to the entire white population...and seeing an enemy where there isn't one, is a sign of insecurity."

thank you for saying exactly this, it proves exactly what and where the lack of nuance with discussion of many things of many including yourself possess on here...

With that said, I am done with you. You just proved my point about assumptions...

Frankly, I don't think you even know what you're talking about anymore, other than creating a general sense of offended haughtiness. I was polite and explained to you why people don't always care about what you care about, or to the same extent. You chose to see an attack.

Laughable really

That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
- Gene Wolfe

Re: Why are republicans supporting gay marriage now?

^I would be more sympathetic to your plight if I wasn't so lethargic. Navigating the political canvas of this country isn't as simple as subscribing to either parties' ethos and take them at their words.

Re: Why are republicans supporting gay marriage now?

I have no plight here. kayman23 is the one with the plight, as evidenced by his whiny victim-playing. And if you have no interest in clarifying your position, I have to wonder why you bother sharing it...

That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
- Gene Wolfe

Re: Why are republicans supporting gay marriage now?

Originally Posted by maxpowr9

… Hybristophilia…

Hybristophilia "is a paraphilia of the predatory type in which sexual arousal, facilitation, and attainment of orgasm are responsive to and contingent upon being with a partner known to have committed an outrage, or crime, such as rape, murder, or armed robbery." The term is derived from the Greek word ὑβρίζειν hubrizein, meaning "to commit an outrage against someone" (ultimately dereived from ὕβρις hubris "hubris"), and philo, meaning "having a strong affinity/preference for".[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybristophilia

Re: Why are republicans supporting gay marriage now?

I don't really follow drunk logic, so I don't really know what you expect me to say. Maybe tomorrow around noon, you could take another look at the topic and we can talk again?

Hun if you think I am drunk, that is laughable.

You were the one that said you would defend any oppressed minority. You can try to beat around the bush but as I have told a few others in CE&P privately; avoid absolutes [something that is taught in Law 101] if you don't want to be made a fool. Two examples of oppressed minorities in your signature alone are rapists and those with rape fetishes [or the more 'medical' term my roomie provided] and if you aren't willing to defend those as you mentioned, you would be a liar. So by all means, explain away your subjectivity or do the more intellectual thing and change your signature.

Re: Why are republicans supporting gay marriage now?

Originally Posted by maxpowr9

Hun if you think I am drunk, that is laughable.

You were the one that said you would defend any oppressed minority. You can try to beat around the bush but as I have told a few others in CE&P privately; avoid absolutes [something that is taught in Law 101] if you don't want to be made a fool. Two examples of oppressed minorities in your signature alone are rapists and those with rape fetishes [or the more 'medical' term my roomie provided] and if you aren't willing to defend those as you mentioned, you would be a liar. So by all means, explain away your subjectivity or do the more intellectual thing and change your signature.

Rapists aren't an oppressed minority. They are criminals.

People with rape fetish aren't an oppressed minority either. Nobody is oppressing them.

AND my signature has nothing to do with people with rape fetish.

But good try at contributing to the conversation. At least you tried ^_^

That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
- Gene Wolfe

Re: Why are republicans supporting gay marriage now?

Originally Posted by Rolyo85

Rapists aren't an oppressed minority. They are criminals.

A self-fulfilling prophecy. Criminals are in fact an oppressed minority or are most Americans convicted felons? The statistics are lost on me there. Funny how the ACLU will defend both gay marriage and the Westboro Baptist Church in court. That is what true freedom looks like.

Re: Why are republicans supporting gay marriage now?

Originally Posted by maxpowr9

A self-fulfilling prophecy. Criminals are in fact an oppressed minority or are most Americans convicted felons? The statistics are lost on me there. Funny how the ACLU will defend both gay marriage and the Westboro Baptist Church in court. That is what true freedom looks like.

No part of that makes sense.

That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
- Gene Wolfe

Re: Why are republicans supporting gay marriage now?

Originally Posted by TheSpectatingLoner

You strike me as one of those gays that would, if enough gay equality measures were passed, would forget completely what it's like to be a minority in the US and be completely insensitive of others' struggles.

And you strike me as one of those people who don't know me and have never talked to me, yet see me arguing with a black guy and rush to the PC assumption without looking in depth. Maybe we're both wrong?

Pat. Fist. Mouth. Now.

That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
- Gene Wolfe

Re: Why are republicans supporting gay marriage now?

Originally Posted by RazorzEdge88

What in the holy fuck is going on here? This is what I can gather:

-Rolyo starts a thread about some growing Repub strategery of appealing to gays (or not pissing them off)
-Some agenda-driven freakazoid comes in and, apropos of nothing, starts bitching about race
-In a mind-bending twist of reality, the resident conservatards, including trollshaw and the town drunk, take the side of the guy who posted the non sequitur about race, in what can only be called the most ironic thing since Newt Gingrich campaigned on the "sanctity of marriage"

And now FallenArousal is taking the side of trollshaw, boozy mcdrunkpants, and the race-baiter, without any sense of context.

This is my take, but this can't actually be happening. It's too much like some Twilight Zone episode where some real person finds himself stuck in a bad sitcom episode.

Re: Why are republicans supporting gay marriage now?

Originally Posted by RazorzEdge88

What in the holy fuck is going on here? This is what I can gather:

-Rolyo starts a thread about some growing Repub strategery of appealing to gays (or not pissing them off)
-Some agenda-driven freakazoid comes in and, apropos of nothing, starts bitching about race
-In a mind-bending twist of reality, the resident conservatards, including trollshaw and the town drunk, take the side of the guy who posted the non sequitur about race, in what can only be called the most ironic thing since Newt Gingrich campaigned on the "sanctity of marriage"

And now FallenArousal is taking the side of trollshaw, boozy mcdrunkpants, and the race-baiter, without any sense of context.

This is my take, but this can't actually be happening. It's too much like some Twilight Zone episode where some real person finds himself stuck in a bad sitcom episode.

Lol, other than the fact that I wasn't the one who started the topic, that was pretty much spot on.

That we are capable only of being what we are, remains our unforgivable sin.
- Gene Wolfe

Re: Why are republicans supporting gay marriage now?

Originally Posted by RazorzEdge88

What in the holy fuck is going on here? This is what I can gather:

-Rolyo starts a thread about some growing Repub strategery of appealing to gays (or not pissing them off)
-Some agenda-driven freakazoid comes in and, apropos of nothing, starts bitching about race
-In a mind-bending twist of reality, the resident conservatards, including trollshaw and the town drunk, take the side of the guy who posted the non sequitur about race, in what can only be called the most ironic thing since Newt Gingrich campaigned on the "sanctity of marriage"

And now FallenArousal is taking the side of trollshaw, boozy mcdrunkpants, and the race-baiter, without any sense of context.

This is my take, but this can't actually be happening. It's too much like some Twilight Zone episode where some real person finds himself stuck in a bad sitcom episode.

Thanks for summing that up so nicely....I was gertting a Twilight Zone vibe myself. I don't get even a hint of racism from Rolyo and I find it hard to beleive anyone else does.

Re: Why are republicans supporting gay marriage now?

I don't really see it as republicans supporting it, I see it more as they see it as inevitable and there is no longer any point in opposing it, and as shocking as it sounds there are gay republicans out there, they're few and far between but they exist, and once gay equality is reached who know, maybe the republicans will have a change at getting the southern gay vote.

Re: Why are republicans supporting gay marriage now?

Originally Posted by Rolyo85

Frankly, I don't think you even know what you're talking about anymore, other than creating a general sense of offended haughtiness. I was polite and explained to you why people don't always care about what you care about, or to the same extent. You chose to see an attack.

Laughable really

I know exactly what I said. You just revealed how myopic and callous (you are along with many others) can be about anything outside of your worldview...