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The Skanner
story from Mar 1, 2012, titled Maryland Gay Marriage Could Hinge on Black Churches.
In it, The Skanner reports that:

With Maryland poised to legalize gay marriage, some conservative opponents and religious leaders are counting on members of their congregations, especially in black churches, to upend the legislation at the polls this fall.

Bingo! Also, as people age and have children of their own they view social cultural influences quite differently. When little Johnny comes home all happy because he learned today in school that when he grows up he can marry his best friend Billy it gives you a different perspective on the issue.

Good point. Both time and experience builds wisdom.

Same sex marriage creates a radically new institution where gender segregation is a norm; that harms everyone who believes in diversity and harmony.

<quoted text>Good point. Both time and experience builds wisdom.Same sex marriage creates a radically new institution where gender segregation is a norm; that harms everyone who believes in diversity and harmony.

HOW DOES MORE FREEDOM AND MORE EQUALITY ADD SEGREGATION MORON????

You nazi fascist are just total uneducated inbred fools.....GO AWAY LIAR.

The only way to prevent bullying is to change those negative beliefs before they are acted upon. Unfortunately for those who want to teach that being gay is some sort of disorder, that requires teaching that gay people are a natural minority of the human population, and should be treated the same as others.Punishing the bullies after the fact does not prevent the harm that results to both the victim and the bully.

to which you responded:

WaterBoarder wrote:

Absolutely. Thanks for being honest. Welcome to the gay agenda.This is why I oppose ALL gay rights. I used to take the live and let live position. But I realized you don't respect my families rights at all and you want to indoctrinate my kids.Again, your honesty is refreshing.

As I read your response, you obviously advocate the creation of another generation of bullies. How many gay kids did you water-board while growing up? Or is it a recent past-time for you?

<quoted text>We only need to do this for those who would use the fact that some gay men and even more straight men are promiscuous, as an excuse to deny equal treatment under the law to all gay men and all gay women as well, while not holding straight men similarly accountable. This fails as a valid excuse for discrimination.

<quoted text>That only applies to the same sex marriage performed after it was passed, not those before it was passed, and because it denies equal treatment, it has been found unconstitutional every time it has been considered so far.It also denies equal treatment to same sex couples married in other jurisdictions, while the marriages of straight couples from those same jurisdictions are recognized. This is discrimination under the law.No matter how many times you count the word "equal" you still fail to provide a legitimate governmental interest sufficient for denial of equal treatment under the law as required by the 5th and 14th amendments.

It was found unconstitutional by a gay judge and the uber-liberal ninth circuit! The Supremes will allow the people's will to stand.

The legitimate societal interest is to keep families and free people from enduring this kind of involuntary indoctrination from happening to their kids:

To WaterBoarder:Not Yet Equal wrote:<quoted text>to which you responded:<quoted text>As I read your response, you obviously advocate the creation of another generation of bullies. How many gay kids did you water-board while growing up? Or is it a recent past-time for you?Your honesty is nauseating.

No...you don't get it.

You don't have the right to teach other people's kids your ideas about sexuality in order to prevent bullying. You DO have the right to insist kids respect each other's differences and insist everyone be treated the way they deserve.

Teaching other people's kids your view of sexuality against the wishes of the parents is an infringement on their rights and has much deeper implications than simply gay bullying.

<quoted text>It was found unconstitutional by a gay judge and the uber-liberal ninth circuit! The Supremes will allow the people's will to stand.

I wouldn't count on that from SCOTUS.......either SCOTUS will rule on the standing issue and toss the 9th's ruling, going back to Judge Walker's ruling or they will uphold the 9th's ruling......either way Prop 8 will not be around much longer.

See the state can define marriage as they want.....but in the Prop 8 situation, a right was granted and then eliminated by just one group of individuals......the marriages that were performed prior to the passage of Prop 8 are still legal, valid and recognized.......and I don't see how couples can be denied a right that others like them already had.

But, we will know soon enough.......and if SCOTUS rules the way you'd like......then it just means that the fight will continue and it will go back to the ballot box in 2016. However, if they rule for the plaintiffs.......what will you do next?

<quoted text>It was found unconstitutional by a gay judge and the uber-liberal ninth circuit! The Supremes will allow the people's will to stand.l

At worst, SCOTUS will help delay marriage equality in Califotnia for a few years more. Look at the history: In 2008, Prop 8 won by a margin similar to that in Maine in 2009. In 2012, Mainers had moved further along the equality path and approved marriage for same-sex couples. If Californians are forced to vote again, they will have had at least twice as long to reconsider their reasons bor denying rights to some that most take for granted. We have also had vastly more experience with same-sex coupledom.

I am quite hopeful that SCOTUS will enable all loving couples to marry in California sooner rather than later. But even if we lose the vote in SCOTUS, we will be back to win at the ballot.

<quoted text>No...you don't get it.You don't have the right to teach other people's kids your ideas about sexuality in order to prevent bullying...

Of course we do. And it's not "our ideas" about sexuality. It's the scientific, medically accepted, logical, rational facts about human sexuality.

It is you who do not have the right to promote your personal ideas of human sexuality. Ideas that are not supported by the medical community, by science, by psychologists, or by anyone who thinks rationally.

<quoted text>It was found unconstitutional by a gay judge and the uber-liberal ninth circuit! The Supremes will allow the people's will to stand........

Prove that his findings were wrong.

And, when the will of a tiny majority of the people tramples on the basic civil and human rights of a disliked minority, for animus only and with no state interest in that discrimination, you have no idea how the SC will rule.

Your scenario is possible, but not likely.

And then, of course, if you are correct, we will just take it back to the people, and every pol there shows a huge shift toward support for marriage equality. It will simply mean millions of dollars and man hours spent, with the eventual outcome supporting marriage equality.

You like wasting money in these times? Just to harm other taxpayers and their families?

No...you don't get it.You don't have the right to teach other people's kids your ideas about sexuality in order to prevent bullying. You DO have the right to insist kids respect each other's differences and insist everyone be treated the way they deserve.Teaching other people's kids your view of sexuality against the wishes of the parents is an infringement on their rights and has much deeper implications than simply gay bullying.

But bullies thrive in a climate of ignorance which you demand continued with regards to homosexuality. You oppose ALL gay rights.(your words)

It is your avatar that proclaims you are a water-boarder, a torturer, so what other conclusions are we to draw.

something abnormal cannot be made "normal" homosexuality is abnormal. Judges can legislate trying to change the "laws of nature" but facts are facts only a male and female can reproduce and continue the human race. Two men or two women having sex won't. So all the judges and all the homosexual agendas cannot change the fact a male and a femaletogether is the "normal"

something abnormal cannot be made "normal" homosexuality is abnormal. Judges can legislate trying to change the "laws of nature" but facts are facts only a male and female can reproduce and continue the human race. Two men or two women having sex won't. So all the judges and all the homosexual agendas cannot change the fact a male and a femaletogether is the "normal"

Same sex is normal moron...WOW YOUR OUT OF TOUCH WITH MODERN TIME HUH....YOU STILL THINK BLACKS SHOULD BE SLAVES ALSO???????

You still think world is flat????? Your eligous freaks are silly..GO AWAY AND DIE LET US MODERN PEOPLE RUN THINGS NOW..

something abnormal cannot be made "normal" homosexuality is abnormal. Judges can legislate trying to change the "laws of nature" but facts are facts only a male and female can reproduce and continue the human race. Two men or two women having sex won't. So all the judges and all the homosexual agendas cannot change the fact a male and a femaletogether is the "normal"

You should really think about what you just said. Various societies have tried to outlaw nature by outlawing homosexuality for as long as we've had written records. But we've had homosexuality for as long as we've had written records, we still do, and we will for any imaginable future.

You are right: We've got to stop trying to change the laws of nature in a legislature or a courtroom. You might as well pass a law that the Antarctic ice cap must stop melting.

<quoted text>I wouldn't count on that from SCOTUS.......either SCOTUS will rule on the standing issue and toss the 9th's ruling, going back to Judge Walker's ruling or they will uphold the 9th's ruling......either way Prop 8 will not be around much longer.See the state can define marriage as they want.....but in the Prop 8 situation, a right was granted and then eliminated by just one group of individuals......the marriages that were performed prior to the passage of Prop 8 are still legal, valid and recognized.......and I don't see how couples can be denied a right that others like them already had.But, we will know soon enough.......and if SCOTUS rules the way you'd like......then it just means that the fight will continue and it will go back to the ballot box in 2016. However, if they rule for the plaintiffs.......what will you do next?

I believe SCOTUS will see this as a much bigger state's rights issue (even though as a court they should focus on the arguments presented) and rule in favor of the state. Then in 2014 we will vote to overturn Prop 8 and we will have gay marriage in the Golden state.

<quoted text>At worst, SCOTUS will help delay marriage equality in Califotnia for a few years more. Look at the history: In 2008, Prop 8 won by a margin similar to that in Maine in 2009. In 2012, Mainers had moved further along the equality path and approved marriage for same-sex couples. If Californians are forced to vote again, they will have had at least twice as long to reconsider their reasons bor denying rights to some that most take for granted. We have also had vastly more experience with same-sex coupledom.I am quite hopeful that SCOTUS will enable all loving couples to marry in California sooner rather than later. But even if we lose the vote in SCOTUS, we will be back to win at the ballot.Too bad for you.

<quoted text>Of course we do. And it's not "our ideas" about sexuality. It's the scientific, medically accepted, logical, rational facts about human sexuality.It is you who do not have the right to promote your personal ideas of human sexuality. Ideas that are not supported by the medical community, by science, by psychologists, or by anyone who thinks rationally.

Ah yes...now we are getting to the truth. Its the standard liberal "we really are right" argument so shut up and conform.

That is the difference between you and I. I would never dream of trying to use the public school system to teach your kids what I believe against your wishes. I realize that even though I do believe you are wrong and your ideas are harmful to society I respect your right to them. I would even defend your right to those freedoms so long as you don't harm anyone. Live and let live. Its called tolerance.

You on the other hand believe that I am just wrong. You have no problem using the public schools to teach my kids what you believe because your view is more enlightened and mine is I am what is holding us all back from some cherished utopian society. My kids need YOU to save them from me.

Again, you prove my point and the reason for my position. I used to take the live and let live position...but since you don't respect my views and are actively pursuing my kids I must oppose all gay rights.

Thanks for the honesty. If I push you guys enough it always comes out in the end.

<quoted text>I mostly agree. I guess I'll have to move to Texas then.=}

Or, you could simply adjust to having more married same-sex neighbors than you do already. I doubt you'll notice anything the day after California begins marrying same-sex couples again, whether that's in June 2013 or December 2014 (or 2016). But perhaps someone will invite you to their same-sex wedding. That's about the only way it might affect you: You get to go to a celebration!

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