So you are okay with police brutality because....black on black crime. Only the killings of puppies matter on RPF I suppose.

Here is a stat the Walter Williams apparently is ignorant of. Violent crime in general, and that includes black on black crime, has been steadily declining for decades while shooting by police of unarmed civilians is going up. Do you have an explanation for that?

Easy. An increase in socialism. Show me some NFL players that are protesting socialism and I'll support them.

In tax documents recently released by 2ndVote, a conservative watchdog group, we learn thatthe NFL Players Association (NFLPA) made a donation of $5,000 in 2015 to the Center for Community Change Action, a George Soros funded and adamantly anti-Trump organization.
Yet, as The Washington Times details, that just scratches the surface of the NFLPA’s dealings and donations to the extreme left...

The NFLPA contributed $5,000 in 2014 to Jobs with Justice, another pro-union group backed by Mr. Soros, and $5,000 in 2013 to the progressive Los Angeles Alliance for a New Economy.

The NFLPA donations from 2013, 2014 and 2015 were made before Mr. Trump was elected.

Other NFLPA charitable contributions went to a mix of groups supporting veterans, medical research and youth, including the Wounded Warrior Project, the Packard Center for ALS Research at Johns Hopkins, Active Minds, and the Boys and Girls Clubs of Greater Washington.

“Clearly, ‘social activism’ by NFL players includes aligning with George Soros and other liberal organizations like Planned Parenthood in support of the left’s agenda,” said 2ndVote, a conservative watchdog group.
We wonder how this additional news will affect NFL ratings/ticket sales this week - as it seems players are not 'on the same team' politically as many of their supporters.

It's blood and soil. A group of people, bound together through kinship and love, and the homeland that they've built together. You don't have it. I know. Not everyone does. You're off gallivanting in China and here, there, and everywhere, and could hardly be brought to care less about any particular land, or as you derisively call it "dirt under your feet." That is: something to spit upon. Nothing more.

But humans in general, for better or worse, are different than you, Christian. They love to have a sense of place, they will have a feeling of pride in the town their family built back in the 1800s, or reverence for the rough stone house their great-grandfather built with his two bare hands.

Blood and soil. Yes, blood and soil. It's fiction to you. It's fiction to rabbits. They see it as just a mass, incomprehensible delusion, as atheists see a belief in God as being. But wolves are territorial. As are more typical humans, long-term viable humans. They feel a deep and abiding connection to their property, to their communities, to the miniature worlds which they so painstakingly build. They feel a deep connection to their past, their ancestors. They feel a strong -- a primary -- sense of duty and obligation regarding their future generations, their great-grand-children.

Note: not the past, the future, but their past, their future. And in deed and very fact it shall be theirs, for the rabbit people have no future. The future belongs to K.

So I can band together with a bunch of "Christian Anarchists" on our property (as large as we can afford) (that will be our blood and soil), we will be bound together by kinship and love so our property can rightfully be our "country" according to the above. I actually will agree with you then. We can bind ourselves together (by any group of two or more) and create our own country. I will recommend we call ours Anarchyland...

So I can band together with a bunch of "Christian Anarchists" on our property (as large as we can afford) (that will be our blood and soil), we will be bound together by kinship and love so our property can rightfully be our "country" according to the above. I actually will agree with you then. We can bind ourselves together (by any group of two or more) and create our own country. I will recommend we call ours Anarchyland...

So I can band together with a bunch of "Christian Anarchists" on our property (as large as we can afford) (that will be our blood and soil), we will be bound together by kinship and love so our property can rightfully be our "country" according to the above. I actually will agree with you then. We can bind ourselves together (by any group of two or more) and create our own country. I will recommend we call ours Anarchyland...

Whether countries are a good idea or not is debatable, but they do exist. And countries differ greatly. Borders matter in reality. All you have to do is go just south of the United States. Mexico and the United States are not the same. Mexico is a repressive third world hell because of the ideas they embrace. America is very prosperous because of the ideals we embrace.

People shouldn't be proud of a flag or a country for the sake of being proud. If you are from Mexico, you shouldn't be proud of Mexico. On the other hand, I am very thankful for the very noble ideals the United States was founded on and the relative preservation of them for 240 years.

Whether countries are a good idea or not is debatable, but they do exist. And countries differ greatly. Borders matter in reality. All you have to do is go just south of the United States. Mexico and the United States are not the same. Mexico is a repressive third world hell because of the ideas they embrace. America is very prosperous because of the ideals we embrace.

People shouldn't be proud of a flag or a country for the sake of being proud. If you are from Mexico, you shouldn't be proud of Mexico. On the other hand, I am very thankful for the very noble ideals the United States was founded on and the relative preservation of them for 240 years.

Exactly!

Never attempt to teach a pig to sing; it wastes your time and annoys the pig.

Robert Heinlein

Give a man an inch and right away he thinks he's a ruler

Groucho Marx

I love mankind…it’s people I can’t stand.

Linus, from the Peanuts comic

You cannot have liberty without morality and morality without faith

Alexis de Torqueville

Those who fail to learn from the past are condemned to repeat it.
Those who learn from the past are condemned to watch everybody else repeat it

Whether countries are a good idea or not is debatable, but they do exist. And countries differ greatly. Borders matter in reality. All you have to do is go just south of the United States. Mexico and the United States are not the same. Mexico is a repressive third world hell because of the ideas they embrace. America is very prosperous because of the ideals we embrace.

People shouldn't be proud of a flag or a country for the sake of being proud. If you are from Mexico, you shouldn't be proud of Mexico. On the other hand, I am very thankful for the very noble ideals the United States was founded on and the relative preservation of them for 240 years.

What will "your goonerment" have to do to you to make it so you are uncomfortable saying your pledge or saluting your flag?? When the goons start knocking on doors to take guns will you stop then?? How about when they take 30% of your earnings?? Will you stop then?? How about if they start putting people in cages or killing them because they have cancer and believe that smoking a certain plant matter will help their condition?? Will you stop then?? How about they tell you you cannot buy raw milk?? Will you stop then???

What will "your goonerment" have to do to you to make it so you are uncomfortable saying your pledge or saluting your flag?? When the goons start knocking on doors to take guns will you stop then?? How about when they take 30% of your earnings?? Will you stop then?? How about if they start putting people in cages or killing them because they have cancer and believe that smoking a certain plant matter will help their condition?? Will you stop then?? How about they tell you you cannot buy raw milk?? Will you stop then???

Preserved those "ideals"? have they?? Confused you are...

1. Don't own any guns. The Second Amendment has probably been the most untouched part of the Constitution by the government. I would bet the Framers would be pleasantly surprised with how well it has been preserved.
2. Already in the 33% bracket. Don't love taxes but the flip side is the US is the best place to make money in the world. I wouldn't consider moving for a second.
3. Obviously I am for drug legalization. I think drug prohibition is a major infringement and the crime associated with drug illegality is a major issue. It is the single worst governmental policy.
4. People should be able to drink raw milk. That does not rank in the top 50,000 things that matter.

I have probably faced more government regulatory abuses than most. I have had five figures stolen by the government playing poker over the years. I just finally got my money back from the DOJ this week from Absolute Poker which the government confiscated in 2011. The biggest things I worry about on a daily basis are regulations that government can use to mess up my life. Yet, it is important to have context. Those are minor inconveniences compared to someone born in 90% of the rest of the world. Someone born in South America or Africa or most of Asia, and most of Europe has no opportunity in life. The United States in 2017 is still the best time and place to live in human history. It isn't perfect but it is the least imperfect place to live. Most of human history has been people living short, brutal lives. The United States has been a deviation from that.

What will "your goonerment" have to do to you to make it so you are uncomfortable saying your pledge or saluting your flag?? When the goons start knocking on doors to take guns will you stop then?? How about when they take 30% of your earnings?? Will you stop then?? How about if they start putting people in cages or killing them because they have cancer and believe that smoking a certain plant matter will help their condition?? Will you stop then?? How about they tell you you cannot buy raw milk?? Will you stop then???

Preserved those "ideals"? have they?? Confused you are...

The problem with anarchies is that they're impossible. There is always someone with the most force making the decisions. The ONLY option is to try to make your goonerment as "least bad" as possible.

It should be up to the NFL to decide if it is a problem and what to do about protests. The government should not be telling a business what to do and who to fire. There is also the question of free speech.

Second neg rep for ignoring my question. For the third time Senor Propaganda. Are you against discrimination laws?

1. Don't own any guns. The Second Amendment has probably been the most untouched part of the Constitution by the government. I would bet the Framers would be pleasantly surprised with how well it has been preserved.

Ha! The 2nd amendment was supposed to be a check against unfettered tyranny. I think the Founders would think what an utter failure it was. Totally ineffective. Government found a way to become tyrannical in spite of the weaponry of its subjects.

"And now that the legislators and do-gooders have so futilely inflicted so many systems upon society, may they finally end where they should have begun: May they reject all systems, and try liberty; for liberty is an acknowledgment of faith in God and His works." - Bastiat

"It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." - Voltaire

1. Don't own any guns. The Second Amendment has probably been the most untouched part of the Constitution by the government. I would bet the Framers would be pleasantly surprised with how well it has been preserved.
2. Already in the 33% bracket. Don't love taxes but the flip side is the US is the best place to make money in the world. I wouldn't consider moving for a second.
3. Obviously I am for drug legalization. I think drug prohibition is a major infringement and the crime associated with drug illegality is a major issue. It is the single worst governmental policy.
4. People should be able to drink raw milk. That does not rank in the top 50,000 things that matter.

I have probably faced more government regulatory abuses than most. I have had five figures stolen by the government playing poker over the years. I just finally got my money back from the DOJ this week from Absolute Poker which the government confiscated in 2011. The biggest things I worry about on a daily basis are regulations that government can use to mess up my life. Yet, it is important to have context. Those are minor inconveniences compared to someone born in 90% of the rest of the world. Someone born in South America or Africa or most of Asia, and most of Europe has no opportunity in life. The United States in 2017 is still the best time and place to live in human history. It isn't perfect but it is the least imperfect place to live. Most of human history has been people living short, brutal lives. The United States has been a deviation from that.

So glad to hear your chains set lightly upon you... Just don't try to put your chains around my neck. I don't like them (and don't try to force me to salute your flag or sing your magic song...)

the NFL needs to make a new TD dance, like one where everybody on the field takes a knee while Beyonce and JayZ belt out some hook about the oppression of blacks because of crackers.

Let me ask you the same question (and this is my new standard question for "patriot" types). What does your goonerment have to do before you will feel uncomfortable saluting the flag and saying the pledge?? This is a serious question. I'm not asking it as a cute retort. I really want to know what it will take for people to change their thinking.

Let me ask you the same question (and this is my new standard question for "patriot" types). What does your goonerment have to do before you will feel uncomfortable saluting the flag and saying the pledge?? This is a serious question. I'm not asking it as a cute retort. I really want to know what it will take for people to change their thinking.

Gonna play devil's advocate here but I think for most of these types, nothing the gov can do will cause them to feel uncomfortable about the flag because to them the flag symbolizes the idea of America and what the country really stands for i.e. freedom, liberty, capitalism, meritocracy etc etc. The govt tarnishing that symbol will not make em budge an inch if anything that would increase their allegiance to the flag which is the only thing that reminds them of what the country truly stands for.

The government != the flag or the pledge of allegiance. If anything, they are also a threat to the flag and pledge.

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You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power.Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Originally Posted by LibertyEagle

Trust principles; not people.

My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

Let me ask you the same question (and this is my new standard question for "patriot" types). What does your goonerment have to do before you will feel uncomfortable saluting the flag and saying the pledge?? This is a serious question. I'm not asking it as a cute retort. I really want to know what it will take for people to change their thinking.

Speaking for myself:

1. I personally do not feel that acts of patriotism belong in the mix of sporting events.
2. Saluting the flag is the obligation of the active military as part of pomp and circumstance.
3. Partaking in pomp and frills is not intended to be representative of current public office holders (as to their politics, current geopolitical events, or the wellness of their performance), but as an expression of the heritage and pride of one's nation and/or state.

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“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding one’s self in the ranks of the insane.” — Marcus Aurelius

Gonna play devil's advocate here but I think for most of these types, nothing the gov can do will cause them to feel uncomfortable about the flag because to them the flag symbolizes the idea of America and what the country really stands for i.e. freedom, liberty, capitalism, meritocracy etc etc. The govt tarnishing that symbol will not make em budge an inch if anything that would increase their allegiance to the flag which is the only thing that reminds them of what they country truly stands for.

The government != the flag or the pledge of allegiance. If anything, they are also a threat to the flag and pledge.

But the country has changed, and the government has changed. The flag has changed too.

I'd be ready to display the 48-star flag as a demonstration that I have no allegiance to the direction they are taking if I didn't think it would be misinterpreted (no doubt deliberately) as an insult to Alaska and Hawaii. The original with the circle of 13 stars might get the point across.

In fact, this is the very reason I fly the Bennington Flag (my avatar).

But the country has changed, and the government has changed. The flag has changed too.

I'd be ready to display the 48-star flag as a demonstration that I have no allegiance to the direction they are taking if I didn't think it would be misinterpreted (no doubt deliberately) as an insult to Alaska and Hawaii. The original with the circle of 13 stars might get the point across.

In fact, this is the very reason I fly the Bennington Flag (my avatar).

Good point, btw I never realized until this minute that your avatar was not the regular American flag.

You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power.Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Originally Posted by LibertyEagle

Trust principles; not people.

My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

Speaking of which, I just noticed that your avatar is not Ashton Kutcher. Wow, mind blown!

Many people don't know this but its his costar Fez aka Wilma Valderama posing as Che. That 70s show is the bum and it is my inspiration to everything I do. Remember how I used to say "in my country ......."? well, I got it from Fez the character

You can maintain power over people, as long as you give them something. Rob a man of everything, and that man will no longer be in your power.Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

Originally Posted by LibertyEagle

Trust principles; not people.

My Che avatar is my unique way of giving a big middle finger to the, the neocons, the globalists, imperialists and most importantly to the left and right political establishment who hate his guts till this day. My admiration for him ends where his anti imperialist pro communism ideology starts.

So I can band together with a bunch of "Christian Anarchists" on our property (as large as we can afford) (that will be our blood and soil), we will be bound together by kinship and love so our property can rightfully be our "country" according to the above.

Obviously!

I have long recommended this, in fact, as one of our more viable paths to success and survival.

1. I personally do not feel that acts of patriotism belong in the mix of sporting events.
2. Saluting the flag is the obligation of the active military as part of pomp and circumstance.
3. Partaking in pomp and frills is not intended to be representative of current public office holders (as to their politics, current geopolitical events, or the wellness of their performance), but as an expression of the heritage and pride of one's nation and/or state.

That's good but I still would like to see what it would take before you find the "stars and stripes" to come to represent oppression instead of liberty. For me that came a LOOOOOOOG time ago. Would it represent oppression if they flew the flag over a supreme court that said they can jail your wife and children because they are a certain heritage (happened three times already), or perhaps because the flag flies over a national police force that says they need to know every dollar you spend (so they can steal a percentage of it)? Where is the line where you will say the "flag" no longer represents your ideals?

Don't forget, the Nazi swastika used to (and still does) represent peace in ancient Chinese and Japanese cultures but Jews don't seem to see it that way.

Would it represent oppression if they flew the flag over a supreme court that said they can jail your wife and children because they are a certain heritage (happened three times already)

Yes, CA, countries can fight wars.

And if you're going to fight a war, yes, you can -- and must -- be able to jail, expel, and execute anyone from the country you're warring against who happens to be unfortunate enough to find themselves in your country when the war starts. That is, if you, like, care about winning and junk.

That's, like, war, man. It's all messy and junk. Not groovy at all. Hardly any signs of grooviness in your typical war.

What will "your goonerment" have to do to you to make it so you are uncomfortable saying your pledge or saluting your flag??

The use of deliberately inflammatory language sends the message that you are not really open to discussion and that you do not own your opinions. If you want to get a point across, then you need to speak respectfully and use proper terminology.

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"There are two freedoms - the false, where a man is free to do what he likes; the true, where he is free to do what he ought."~~Charles Kingsley

"Each of us must choose which course of action we should take: education, conventional political action, or even peaceful civil disobedience to bring about necessary changes. But let it not be said that we did nothing." - Ron Paul

"Paul said "the wave of the future" is a coalition of anti-authoritarian progressive Democrats and libertarian Republicans in Congress opposed to domestic surveillance, opposed to starting new wars and in favor of ending the so-called War on Drugs."

Ha! The 2nd amendment was supposed to be a check against unfettered tyranny. I think the Founders would think what an utter failure it was. Totally ineffective. Government found a way to become tyrannical in spite of the weaponry of its subjects.

Except as to the rule of appointment, the United States have an indefinite discretion to make requisitions for men and money; but they have no authority to raise either by regulations extending to the individual citizens of America.

And if you're going to fight a war, yes, you can -- and must -- be able to jail, expel, and execute anyone from the country you're warring against who happens to be unfortunate enough to find themselves in your country when the war starts. That is, if you, like, care about winning and junk.

That's, like, war, man. It's all messy and junk. Not groovy at all. Hardly any signs of grooviness in your typical war.

Lame, I know!

Yes, and Helmuth Hubener was executed because he was a "danger to the war effort". So I'm sure you agree with the decision to behead him...

The use of deliberately inflammatory language sends the message that you are not really open to discussion and that you do not own your opinions. If you want to get a point across, then you need to speak respectfully and use proper terminology.

Yes, I'm very respective of people who deserve respect... prostitutes, drug users, even highway robbers deserve a certain amount of respect because they don't claim to be in the right when they rob you nor do they rob you every payday...

I have started using "goon" and "goonerment" for a reason (and I will not stop). It's to show what the true nature of goonerment is. They rob, they steal, and then they ask you to "respect" them for doing it. Talk about Stockholm Syndrome... You have it bad sir. I hope you will see it before it's too late...