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Talent Of Team Being Questioned!!!!!

Phil Jackson was in attendance for the New York Knicks' 127-96 loss to the Los Angeles Lakers on Tuesday.
The Knicks allowed 51 points in the third quarter to a Lakers' team playing without Pau Gasol and Kobe Bryant.

The NBA most minute played player Captain Super Star Carmelo Anthony "ISO-Melo system" allowed a D.League Lakers team to score 87 pts in 2 quarters of the game, plus 51 points in a quarter that Melo played all 12 minutes in.

I blame the Knicks 2013-14 poor (21-40) record season on Jeremy Lin, and Jason Kidd.

Without those two PG players we wouldve learned the Knicks BIG-3 are nothing but a TANKING Lottery team by the 2012 offseason, or the 2013 offseason.

If Linsanity never saved our 2011-12 season, we wouldve had a 21-45 record season from our BIG-3 isolation system.
If Jason Kidd wouldve resign with Dallas in 2012-13 season, instead of coming to the Knicks to be our 4th quarter Closer PG, our 54 win season wouldve turn out to be Felton's 54 loss season in 2012-13.

I still have no answers as to how this team could possibly be so bad when they were, at least in the regular season, pretty decent last year.

Because Dolan was treating the team like a fantasy NBA franchise. Little by little important role players who could do specific things really well were replaced by supposedly more talented players who do not fit into the highly complicated puzzle which is a basketball team.
Look at the Spurs and what they do with players that most likely would not thrive on any other roster. Why? Because their team is well crafted.

Look at the Spurs and what they do with players that most likely would not thrive on any other roster. Why? Because their team is well crafted.

the key word is 'team'... ain't no superstars on the spurs (their big 3 are past or passing their prime)... but everyone knows their role... sort of like the old knicks that won the 2 championships... they had no 'superstars' on the roster, but they won playing with the team concept...

and i'm not demeaning clyde/pearl/willis/dave d... they were excellent players...and the proof are their rings... but at the time there were better players at each position then the above on other teams.... but they didn't win... the knicks did... ego's were put aside ...

^agreed. the talent of "team" as in team basketball is being questioned. As Jackson said in his press conference and more notably in his interview with Clyde Frazier, the concept of offense is a simple one, with the triangle being just one option for team basketball to be implemented. team defense, on the other hand, is based on intensity (defensity) and the sheer will to guard your man, to not let guys be open on the perimeter when they're raining 3's, to put a body on a man when they're driving the middle, and not switch in a flash. The Knicks have been playing pu$$y-ball most of the year, and are being exposed for the lackadaisical loser attitude they have inherited from their coach. the talent hunt will be based on the ability to play team basketball, to play defense, to have a winning attitude, something I have faith in Phil to make happen. after the loss to the Suns last night, i cannot see the Knicks growing the balls needed to make the playoffs at this point. just a serious lack of team talent displayed. smh.

^agreed. the talent of "team" as in team basketball is being questioned. As Jackson said in his press conference and more notably in his interview with Clyde Frazier, the concept of offense is a simple one, with the triangle being just one option for team basketball to be implemented. team defense, on the other hand, is based on intensity (defensity) and the sheer will to guard your man, to not let guys be open on the perimeter when they're raining 3's, to put a body on a man when they're driving the middle, and not switch in a flash. The Knicks have been playing pu$$y-ball most of the year, and are being exposed for the lackadaisical loser attitude they have inherited from their coach. the talent hunt will be based on the ability to play team basketball, to play defense, to have a winning attitude, something I have faith in Phil to make happen. after the loss to the Suns last night, i cannot see the Knicks growing the balls needed to make the playoffs at this point. just a serious lack of team talent displayed. smh.

Individual Talent (Knicks 32-43) -vs- Team Talent (Spurs 58-16)

Where to start .... We do have offensive players, and we do have defensive players.
What we dont have are Team-Offense, or Team-Defense.
Woodsuck!
We dont have a offensive system, plan, or play other than let Melo shoot us in or out the game.
Woodsuck!
We dont have a defensive system, plan, or play to setup oponents weak areas, nor do we have a defense all the players relate to.
Woodsuck!

The Spurs offense is guided by 4 or all 5 players in the lineup.
Headcoach (Pop) have a steady movement lineup on offense, each of the Spurs 5 players know their direction in Pop's steady moving offense. The Spurs offense set great screens and picks for easy baskets.
The Spurs oponents gets no rest on the defensive-end, plus they have to guess each time on defense what Spurs player are going to score.
The Spurs man to man and paint defense, along with their defensive comunication have to be the NBA top #1 team-defense for the past decade.

The knicks of old were a very good team, without egos....and most importantly, a lot smarter basketball IQ....Barnett and Clyde would constantly find ways to outsmart the better guys (West, Bing, Pearl (when he was on the Bullets etc)...they also played to steal the ball instead of giving away a meaningless foul with like 8 seconds left to close out a qtr. Now we get to the even smarter players. Dave D and Bill Bradley. Smartest fwds in the league at the time. It was a different time in Knick history. The guys that play for us today just arent all in on the team

The knicks of old were a very good team, without egos....and most importantly, a lot smarter basketball IQ....Barnett and Clyde would constantly find ways to outsmart the better guys (West, Bing, Pearl (when he was on the Bullets etc)...they also played to steal the ball instead of giving away a meaningless foul with like 8 seconds left to close out a qtr. Now we get to the even smarter players. Dave D and Bill Bradley. Smartest fwds in the league at the time. It was a different time in Knick history. The guys that play for us today just arent all in on the team