Aint the original bible without translations more accurate then KJV? Just wondering as you take the words very litteraly.

To what exact "original Bible" do you refer? Can you point to it?

YiJC, BS

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09-24-2011, 05:21 AM

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The one God wrote? that KJV is translated from? :O

The KJV 1611 is not only as good as the original manuscripts, it is better!

There are three "translations" spoken of in the Bible. In all three cases, the translation referred to is better than the original. Since we accept the Bible as our final authority in all matters of faith and practice, the Bible's "practice" will have more authority than any "mere human" opinion.

The first "translation" found in Scripture is found in II Samuel 3:7-10:
And Saul had a concubine, whose name was Rizpah, the daughter of Aiah: and Ishbosheth said to Abner, Wherefore hast thou gone in unto my father's concubine? Then was Abner very wroth for the words of Ishbosheth, and said, Am I a dog's head, which against Judah do shew kindness this day unto the house of Saul thy father, to his brethren, and to his friends, and have not delivered thee into the hand of David, that thou chargest me to day with a fault concerning this woman? So do God to Abner, and more also, except, as the LORD hath sworn to David, even so I do to him; To translate the kingdom from the house of Saul, and to set up the throne of David over Israel and over Judah, from Dan even to Beersheba.

After the death of King Saul in I Samuel 31, Abner, who had been the captain of Saul's army installed Ishbosheth as King instead of David (II Samuel 12:8,9). Later Ishbosheth and Abner had a falling out. Abner, in anger, announces to Ishbosheth that he is going to "translate" the Kingdom of Israel from Ishbosheth to David.

It is obvious by Abner's statement of II Samuel 3:9 that the LORD wanted David to be king over all twelve tribes of Israel. Therefore, the "translation" of the kingdom of Israel to David was BETTER than the "original" state which has a split kingdom with David rightly ruling over one portion and Ishbosheth wrongly ruling over the other section.

The second "translation" found in Scripture is found in Colossians 1:13:Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Here the "translation" spoken of is the conversion of a lost sinner to a new life in Jesus Christ. No one in their right mind could even pretend that this translation is not a massive improvement over the "original" condition.

By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

The word "translate" only appears five times in scripture. Once in II Samuel, once in Colossians and the remaining three times here in Hebrews 11:5.

A Christian with even a shallow knowledge of the Bible is familiar with the story of Enoch from Genesis 5. Enoch walked with God and is known to have pleased God. He was a prophet (Judges 14) and a man of faith. God saw fit to physically take Enoch to Heaven so that he would not have to experience death. This individual action is a miniature version of what Christians call "The Rapture," mentioned in I Corinthians 15, I Thessalonians 4, Titus 2 and various other places in the Bible. Since the word "Rapture" appears nowhere in Scripture, a more proper name for this future occurrence might be "The Blessed Hope" (Titus) or "The Catching Up" (I Thessalonians) of "Our Translation" (Hebrews).

It is obvious that Enoch's translation was an improvement over his original condition.

Thus we see that every "translation" in our final authority on all matters is an improvement over the original.

If you are a simple Bible believer you will have no trouble accepting this. If you worship education or just hate to be wrong, you will reject this Bible Fact as easily as you have rejected every Bible Fact that you couldn't agree with.

Now which will you follow son, the Bible or men?

II Thessalonians 1:7-9And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power

The man who is being progressively sanctified will inescapably sanctify his home, school, politics, economics, science, and all things else by understanding and interpreting all things in terms of the Word of God and by bringing all things under the Dominion of Christ the King. -R.J. Rushdoony

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09-24-2011, 05:37 AM

Well as you keep saying, its a translation, so either its a translation, and then it should be as similar to the original as possible, or its a new scripture. and if its a translation then the original bible that it got translated from obviously it cant be better.. Also, if God popped up to help the translators King James ordered to translate the bible then they should be heathens? cause some people here on the forums have told me that God doesn't change his mind(even though he do in the bible) so the original bible that God wrote FIRST must be the best one.. From what you people have told me at least

And I will follow facts and truth, if you can show me real proof(not only scriptures from a book) then we can talk about bible facts ¨_^

Ecclesiastes 4:5 The fool foldeth his hands together, and eateth his own flesh.

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09-24-2011, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by andreas.karlssson

Well as you keep saying, its a translation, so either its a translation, and then it should be as similar to the original as possible, or its a new scripture. and if its a translation then the original bible that it got translated from obviously it cant be better.. Also, if God popped up to help the translators King James ordered to translate the bible then they should be heathens? cause some people here on the forums have told me that God doesn't change his mind(even though he do in the bible) so the original bible that God wrote FIRST must be the best one.. From what you people have told me at least

And I will follow facts and truth, if you can show me real proof(not only scriptures from a book) then we can talk about bible facts ¨_^

What all this boils down to is that the word of God displeases you and makes you feel uneasy (the thought of going to Hell is for precisely that purpose) so you reject it(or at least the bits that tell you you're going to burn forever). You're looking for excuses so you can follow your life of sin and debauchery with a clear conscience.

But you haven't got a clear conscience. Jesus has drawn you here for a reason, sinner. Is it not so you can see the true nature of God's message and make a clear decision as to whether you really ought to spit in His face as much as you are doing?

turn away from this fate, there's no need for you to burn.

Isaiah 34:6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.

John 5:46,47For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

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09-24-2011, 11:25 AM

If I met him IRL I'd prolly call him a dumbass to be quite honest.. He made 4 of the 10 commandments that he gave us that we should worship him because he's all that but he can't even give us the slightest sign that he is real(except the bible that anyone could have written to make heaps of money and justify killings..)

Ecclesiastes 4:5 The fool foldeth his hands together, and eateth his own flesh.

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09-24-2011, 11:36 AM

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And I will follow facts and truth, if you can show me real proof(not only scriptures from a book) then we can talk about bible facts ¨_^

FACT: In Genesis, it says God created the Earth and everything in it.
FACT: The Earth and everything in it exists, exactly as Genesis predicts it does.
CONCLUSION: The Bible must be true, because if it wasn't true, the world wouldn't exist.

O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it--for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.

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09-24-2011, 02:29 PM

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If I met him IRL I'd prolly call him a dumbass to be quite honest.. He made 4 of the 10 commandments that he gave us that we should worship him because he's all that but he can't even give us the slightest sign that he is real(except the bible that anyone could have written to make heaps of money and justify killings..)

Yet again you reject the very God who made you! How much more of a miracle do you need than every breath you take?

God gives us signs all the time. He doesn't muck around with giving you a wave - He properly smites sinners to warn you. And you let them all die in vain, let alone ignoring Jesus who temporarily died to get your attention and prove God is real and taking an active interest in whether or not you choose to be burned forever or not.

Isaiah 34:6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.

John 5:46,47For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

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09-24-2011, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by andreas.karlssson

If I met him IRL I'd prolly call him a dumbass to be quite honest.. He made 4 of the 10 commandments that he gave us that we should worship him because he's all that but he can't even give us the slightest sign that he is real(except the bible that anyone could have written to make heaps of money and justify killings..)

You'd call Jesus a name like that?

Can you give me one reason why I shouldn't ban you here and now for blasphemy?

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09-25-2011, 07:13 AM

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FACT: In Genesis, it says God created the Earth and everything in it.
FACT: The Earth and everything in it exists, exactly as Genesis predicts it does.
CONCLUSION: The Bible must be true, because if it wasn't true, the world wouldn't exist.

Well this is a problem, those arent facts, facts can be proven in real life by tests and so on.. It's your belief that its that way, its not undisputed facts..

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Yet again you reject the very God who made you! How much more of a miracle do you need than every breath you take?

I don't find the very reason that I can breath a miracle, kind of demeans the essence of the word as breathing is something natural that is explained by science It's nothing that God must have created..

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Can you give me one reason why I shouldn't ban you here and now for blasphemy?

Sinse you give me infractions without reason just because I made a compelling argument or because I wrote something you didn't like I'm sure it doesn't matter if I give you a reason or not. You will just do what you want, cause thats what freedom is(something not respected by everyone, your egocentric God for one )

Ecclesiastes 4:5 The fool foldeth his hands together, and eateth his own flesh.

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09-25-2011, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by andreas.karlssson

If I met him IRL I'd prolly call him a dumbass to be quite honest.. He made 4 of the 10 commandments that he gave us that we should worship him because he's all that but he can't even give us the slightest sign that he is real(except the bible that anyone could have written to make heaps of money and justify killings..)

Of course there are signs that He is real! Do you personally know anyone who has lived for hundreds? Of course not! People die. Death is the penalty for sin. (Romans 6:23) If there was no God, there would be no sin. If there were no sin, people would not die!

Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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09-25-2011, 08:02 AM

No, death is the natural order of life.. No matter how good you are and how little you sin you will die! Also its a stupid argument that death is the reason of sin then why would he kill infants that done nothing bad..

And don't blame it God know they will sin, if so he would have killed Hitler before he grew up etc etc...

Ecclesiastes 4:5 The fool foldeth his hands together, and eateth his own flesh.

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09-25-2011, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by andreas.karlssson

No, death is the natural order of life.. No matter how good you are and how little you sin you will die! Also its a stupid argument that death is the reason of sin then why would he kill infants that done nothing bad..

And don't blame it God know they will sin, if so he would have killed Hitler before he grew up etc etc...

Hitler was wrongfully accused of imprisoning dozens of Joos, which indirectly brought about the establishment of the modern day Joo settlement (Israel, AKA Kikestan).

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09-25-2011, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by andreas.karlssson

No, death is the natural order of life.. No matter how good you are and how little you sin you will die! Also its a stupid argument that death is the reason of sin then why would he kill infants that done nothing bad..

And don't blame it God know they will sin, if so he would have killed Hitler before he grew up etc etc...

Speak for yourself, bucko. Jesus has entered me with His love and filled me with the Holy Spirit. I am not so vain as to reject His kind offer of Redemption.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

So when you die, you will be in unfathomable torments while you await Judgment Day, at which point you will be cast into the lake of fire for your wilfulness, your perversions, and your unbelief. Meanwhile, I will be rejoicing in Heaven with my True Christian™ brethren and sistren, singing praise songs, and pressed snugly against the bosom of Jesus... very much alive. Eternally alive.

II Thessalonians 1:7-9And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power

The man who is being progressively sanctified will inescapably sanctify his home, school, politics, economics, science, and all things else by understanding and interpreting all things in terms of the Word of God and by bringing all things under the Dominion of Christ the King. -R.J. Rushdoony

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09-25-2011, 10:13 PM

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No, death is the natural order of life..

It is now, but only because of the sin of Adam. (1 Corinthians 15:21)

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No matter how good you are and how little you sin you will die!

Yes. We True Christians refer to this as a "fallen world." It is this way because sin entered the world and through sin death. But praise God! Jesus offered Himself as the payment so we could live! (John 3:16)

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Also its a stupid argument that death is the reason of sin then why would he kill infants that done nothing bad..

Hello? Fallen world.

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And don't blame it God know they will sin, if so he would have killed Hitler before he grew up etc etc...

But He didn't kill Hitler before he grew up so clearly He has a plan even if you cannot understand it. (Isaiah 55:8)

Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.

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09-26-2011, 06:19 AM

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But He didn't kill Hitler before he grew up so clearly He has a plan even if you cannot understand it. (Isaiah 55:8)

Nice excuse LOL!

and referring to your "if evolution was true moms would have three arms". #1, why would they? they only need two arms.. #2 maybe learn about evolution before looking even more stupid? x) just had to reply to it cause it was so dumb!

Ecclesiastes 4:5 The fool foldeth his hands together, and eateth his own flesh.

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09-26-2011, 11:32 AM

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yy. a God that plagues you with diseases and death and sorrow for many an entire lifetime is really awesome and something everyone should embrace!

Luke 12:5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

This is why you should read the Bible and not listen to wishy washy "God is love" merchants bent on keeping people sodomising each other rather than seeking Salvation.

Isaiah 34:6 The sword of the LORD is filled with blood, it is made fat with fatness, and with the blood of lambs and goats, with the fat of the kidneys of rams: for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea.

John 5:46,47For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me. But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

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09-26-2011, 03:48 PM

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Nice excuse LOL!

and referring to your "if evolution was true moms would have three arms". #1, why would they? they only need two arms.. #2 maybe learn about evolution before looking even more stupid? x) just had to reply to it cause it was so dumb!

Why so angry friend? We're here to glorify LORD Jesus, not rip each other apart. God created us to glorify Him! (Isaiah 43:7)

You, my friend, would be wise to read the Holy Scriptures so you would know what's in store should you continue in your vain and angry ways. Don't let your anger at God darken your heart:

Romans 1:21 - Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Call out to HIM, repent, confess your sins and be SAVED!

Romans 10:9 - That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Romans 5:1 - Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.

You want peace, friend. I can feel it in my spirit. I shall pray for you today.

Hello, my name is Mary. I hope to fellowship with you! That is, unless you don't listen to church authority (Deuteronomy 17:12); are a witch (Exodus 22:17); are a homosexual (Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:24-32); or fortuneteller (Leviticus 20:27) or a snotty kid who hits their dad (Exodus 21:15); or curses their parents (Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9); an adulterer (Leviticus 20:10); a non-Christian (Exodus 22:19; Deuteronomy 13:7-12; Deuteronomy 17:2-5;Romans 1:24-32); an atheist (2 Chronicles 15:12-13); or false prophet (Zechariah 13:3); from the town of one who worships another, false god (Deuteronomy 13:13-19); were a non-virgin bride (Deuteronomy 22:20-21); or blasphemer (Leviticus 24:10-16), as God calls for your execution and will no doubt send you to Hell, and I have no interest developing a friendship with the Spiritually Walking Dead.