Because that’s never gonna end, even when you make it. If you don’t enjoy sitting down and drawing boxes and buildings and cars and planes as you learn perspective, and are thinking to yourself “this is lame I just wanna draw anime girls,” you need to take a step back, and self assess.

You don’t actually enjoy drawing, you don’t have a genuine passion for it. What you like is the IDEA of the praise you’ll get for making art. You’re chasing validation. If you actually loved drawing, you’d draw, regardless of whether or not anyone noticed your work or not, and you’d draw anything because it’s fun to you, regardless of what the subject matter is.

It’s something worth considering before jumping in and trying to tackle a skillset that takes years to get good at, and a lifetime to master. You might be better off finding something else you are passionate about, or just learning to love the process.

>>4597318Eh, I just want to draw anime girls but I don’t care about posting them on social media. I just draw for myself and like cooming to my drawings, I don’t really want the hassle of building a following and trendhopping and likewhoring. I feel like social media would ruin my enjoyment of drawing, but as I am now, just drawing in my room for myself, I really enjoy it (even though I just like to draw anime girls and don’t care about other things).

I think /ic/ sometimes needs to realize that “making it” is different for all of us, and fame was never a goal for me, nor was becomming a well-rounded “can draw anything”-type of artist.

This is dumb. Lots of successful artists dislike studies and just do them to improve. God I hate how people on this board treat art. If you enjoy drawing anime girls from memory then go do that. Grinding boxes is the dumbest shit and all the real artists ive looked into say to just draw what you enjoy and do studies on the side. This is 5x true if you're just a hobbyist which is perfectly fine.

>>4597318KEKDid Michelangelo draw buildings in order to carve David and paint the Sistine ceiling?You get good at what you practice. You won’t get good at urban combat if you drill for field war. You won’t get good at riding a motorcycle if you drive a car. You won’t get good at baking bread if you just practice sautéing. Post.Your.Work.

>>4598550But that’s literally chasing validation. You like the idea of making a living off of drawing (waifus), not understanding that to draw waifus, you gotta draw “boring shit.” Because you perceive it to be a “great life.” When there are other careers out there that could make you money, that wouldn’t involve drawing “boring shit.”

If yo only enjoy drawing waifus, or porn or whatever, and don’t enjoy drawing anything else, then you don’t enjoy drawing period. You only like the idea of drawing things that appeal to you and being rewarded in praise and/or money.

>>4598477I got excited seeing a guy draw boxes. Still do a little, actually. The process of drawing, the ability to make things with the illusion of depth and space on a 2D plane with only lines is just fascinating, like magic. Doing it with even simple stuff like boxes or simple shapes is just enjoyable. It's that simple kind of joy you get by playing with legos or building stuff in Minecraft creative mode, or playing with clay.

>>4598577>>4598587All successful artists love drawing, regardless of what they draw. Drawing a girl, and drawing a car require the exact same fundamental building blocks, and both are fun to do in their own right. If drawing a car is boring to you, and something you genuinely do not enjoy, if you do not enjoy the process of LEARNING how to draw. Teaching yourself this skill, and seeking improvement day in day out... I got news for you, even when you’ve acquired the skill to earn money off of your work, you’re still gonna continue down that path of seeking to improve your work and expanding your skills. Doing it for the validation or the monetary end goal is only going to make the experience painful to you, because the parts that you probably don’t like about art right now, will never go away. If you don’t love it from the start, you’ll never love it no matter how much you improve.

>>4598631Enjoying drawing one subject instead of everything doesn't make you a hack artist. Not every artist is gonna be Kim Jung Gi, drawing everything and putting soul into nothingBut this is a troll thread. Insert the Japanese word for 'lowering' into the options field.

>>4598634No one said anything about a hack artist, stop putting words in my mouth. Enjoying drawing is enjoying drawing regardless of the subject matter, because it’s fundamentally the same process regardless of what you draw. If you don’t enjoy drawing certain things because of the subject matter, then it’s likely you don’t enjoy drawing at all, and are only enamoured with the idea of what it’d be like to be good at drawing a specific thing, and the praise and validation and monetary gain that comes with that. Once that fantasy grows dull, you’re going to wind up realizing that you don’t like this at all, and spent countless hours trying to learning something you never really enjoyed to begin with.

And it’s not a troll thread, I’m not lying here. I’m spitting harsh truths, you may not like what I’m saying but it’s reality. I’m sick and tired of seeing this board get flooded with idiotic posts by people who genuinely don’t enjoy art, but are wanting to learn it because they think drawing anime porn is an easy way to sustain their NEET lifestyle.

>>4598618That's like saying you can't enjoy vidya or reading if you have a genre preference. Passion is hugely important. Most anime art uses such exaggerated proportions that life drawing and realistic facial construction drills are not really relevant. You can learn the techniques you need within the context of the type of art you enjoy, and you're more likely to enjoy yourself doing so. It's only a problem if you mindlessly churn out the same shit without trying to analyse and improve, but that can be said of the "boring shit" too.

>>4598655Liking a certain artstyle doesn't mean you don't enjoy the process of drawing in that style. There are tons of people who force themselves to do mindless drills because they think it will make them a better artist, and they burn out and hate the process because all creativity has been stripped from it.

>>4598655I can enjoy the process while simultaneously focusing on stuff I like. I could use a process I enjoy to make something I don't care for, OR I could us the process I enjoy to make something I also enjoy. Yes, I grind thousands of poses and mundane things in order to get better, and I unironically enjoy it. That doesn't mean I enjoy it as much as drawing something really cute. You seem to think there can only be one aspect of drawing that people can like in order to be a "true artist".

>>4597318>If you don’t enjoy sitting down and drawing boxes [...] you need to take a step back, and self assess.So in order to be an artist you have to be actually autistic? Kek no wonder artist and autist are one letter apart

>>4598663>So if I don’t enjoy drawingIf you don’t enjoy drawing you don’t enjoy drawing, yes.> So if I don’t enjoy hardcore furry pornIf something is disgusting to you, then it’s disgusting to you. You can still enjoy the process of making it, but be absolutely repulsed by the subject matter. The process is the process, hardcore furry porn is disgusting cause it’s hardcore furry porn, not cause the process is any different. Drawing it is no different than drawing any different scene.

How have you not killed yourself yet when everywhere you go you see cars, and your house is literally a giant set of cubes. Or do you live in a spherical home like the ones from Dragonball.

>>4598679>missing the point this hardI know you tried to get me with your epic “gotcha” but you never truly grasped what was being said. Pretty much everyone on /ic/ who is an accomplished artist would agree with me.

>>4598690>I know you tried to get me with your epic “gotcha” but you never truly grasped what was being said.Or did I hit too close to home? Go on, follow >>4598694 advice, post your work. I'm sure the cubes and furry studies have taken you further than me.

>>4598690>How have you not killed yourself yet when everywhere you go you see cars, and your house is literally a giant set of cubes.It's hard, no kidding. I have to go camping for like two months every year just to get my sanity corrected.

>>4597318Yeah, I agree. I don't think you necessarily have to concentrate on drawing boxes, but there needs to be some sort of desire to get better and the acknowledgement that you can always improve. Just like you can learn languages in different ways, you can learn art in different ways. What works for you might not work for someone else and vice versa, but you can't just be that shitter who thinks taking a Japanese class will make him magically fluent.

>>4598631This is literally untrue. I watch art streamers who are very succesful and they talk about how they hate drawing x or y. Where are you getting this idea from? You can enjoy some parts of art and not enjoy other parts. You actually have a skewed mindset and think youre right.

sometimes finding the process of a piece that you aren't invested in, tedious ? generally hating the process of drawing you aren't going to enjoy every drawing 100% of the time. same as you don't love your family or friends unconditionally 100% of the time.

but if you are bashing yourself over the head with your tablet at every line and punching the wall until your knuckles bleed every 1 cm of a curve, then only does OP apply to you.

and if ME saying it isn't good enough for you, here's a video of another working professional saying the exact same thing. I was listening to this last night while inking my manga, and it's basically what prompted me to make this thread before going to bed. Because it's true.

>>4598720That's fine, and that's basically what I'm saying. It's ok to get frustrated with a specific piece, usually that happens because you're lacking and you grow frustrated with your own lack of skill. What I'm addressing is all the people constantly looking for shortcuts because they find Loomist or Scott Rob too difficult and boring, and don't want to learn perspective or gesture or anatomy, and think that relying on tracing 3D models as a crutch is viable because they don't actually enjoy art, they just want to draw anime girls and get praise for it, and are looking for all the shortcuts to that endgoal.

>>4597318>You might be better off finding something else you are passionate aboutFucking how. I've tried so much. I don't even know what to do anymore. Shit is either too boring or too tedious, even if you're decent at it. Art being the most tedious so far. I would've quit a year ago if it wasn't for people telling me I have "talent"

In my case I wanted to learn to draw when I was like 11 years old, but since my parents hated me (literally) and I had 0 confidence in myself I never pursued it and instead I started writing stories, but my stories have always been described as "too photographical" so 18 years later I'm trying to learn what I could have learned if I wasn't raised in uber-toxic conditions

>>4598724>my opinion is based on bait video specifically designed to sell courses

The point he making is fucking obvious, you need to focus on fundamentals to get better, really? We have entire sticky dedicated to that. And learning fundamentals sometimes frustrating and boring, doesn’t mean I’m going to skip studying it, even if I hate it. Be honest OP, tell me if you find building Scotty’s arches in perspective as rewarding as doing your own work? It wasn’t for me, but in the end I glad I did it, because now I can have easier time drawing anything perspective related. I learned perspective skills despite finding them tedious and boring, does it make me not true artist? Do you think I should quit now?

>>4598777No, it's what I figured would be the least recognizbale piece since it's literally a study of a story. Because you know, the point of anonymity is to stay anonymous, especially when you're saying things people don't like to hear.

>>4598776I enjoyed it, because I was learning something new, and I enjoy learning new things. Once I understood it, I moved onto drawing cars and that was a lot of fun, and something I still do to this day when I sketch.

I have come to resent all newcomers and artists alike in the medium. Doesn't matter if it's 2D or 3D, everyone just sees art as a cash grab. As a way to get rich/famous quick and they don't really care about the journey, just the end result. It's especially apparent in non-white people (maybe minus asians). Everyone is money grubby, talking about how they'll draw coom art in six months, or what strategies they can implement to grow their fanbases. It isn't about a goal to change others or different the world, it's about better ones own position through commercialization through art. That's what gripes me. Art is a tool sure, everything is in the hands of anyone. But art specifically has the capacity to mold entire swathes of people to a different viewpoint, to a different ideology even. It is limitless in persuasion, in provocation, in personifying the artists ideas, imprinting upon the viewer onlooking, its ability to totally accept submission from their subconscious.

And people don't see that. They don't care to see it. They don't want to understand beyond the semantic of "money". They have no regard for others but themselves in art, just that their "art" better their own position one step ahead, instead of looking into the future a million steps from now.

I don't know. That's all I really got to say. But it's been on my mind and I understand now that I shouldn't help anyone. I should crab as much as possible, never aiding or guiding any of you or others interested. You don't deserve the imparting of my knowledge, and you certainly don't deserve to make it.

>>4598829>they don't really care about the journeyThe journey is tedious, boring and frustrating. I take shortcuts because I'm no longer 16 and I can't afford wasting precious years of my dying youth to learn what could be easily done with a 3D model

>>4598829>and I understand now that I shouldn't help anyone. I should crab as much as possible, never aiding or guiding any of you or others interested. You don't deserve the imparting of my knowledge, and you certainly don't deserve to make it.This is how I’ve come to feel like as well, especially seeing the state of this board in recent years. I blame the porn artists. I remember back when this board was actually slow, and a thread you made would last weeks. Now, it’s not at the center of discussion, it gets drowned out by the constant shitpost threads in a couple days. I miss back when /ic/ actually cared about learning art, and sought an actual career in it rather than just trying to make patreonbux off of anime porn.

>>4598852Then what you’re saying is there’s nothing in life your passionate about, and you need validation from strangers on the internet to feel worthwhile?

Maybe you should look into sorting your issues in life, because you’ve got bigger problems going on than not liking art. Literally get a deskjob and find some hobbies and friends, because you’re trying to make it on one of the most competitive industries in the world, without any actual passion for it.

>>4598860>and you need validation from strangers on the internet to feel worthwhile?Never said that. I've always wanted to do something tangible, impressive, creative if you will, to be able to express my own ideas and make my own designs. That's where my true passion lies, art is just a medium>Literally get a deskjob Been there done that. Wanted to kill myself. There's literally nothing worse than feeling like a worthless cog in the machine, especially when you used to be a prodigy child (no, not in art). >make it on one of the most competitive industries in the worldMy only desire is to express my ideas effectively, I'm not really trying to compete with anyone much less get into an industry

OP is DKs who never did a real study in his life, which signified by proudly presented mishaped blob heads and choice of his teachers. If you agree with him, you're about to get reality check after you see no significant progress after years and your only source of income would be drawing fetish porn. Have fun while it lasts.

This is such bullshit in so many ways. First you do things you don't like so you can do things you like or at least you should. I don't like exercising because I am a lazy fuck, but I still do it in order to be healthy, and honestly I am STARTING to like it. Second there are so many art forms like sculpting, 3d cgi, or just gardening that don't need to emulate 3d perspective in 2d for example. Sure these things benefit from drawing, but you don't have to like drawing boxes in perspective when you know that a computer can do that shit for you. You learn it so you can do things you want to do like design stuff. Not everyone does art for the same reasons you do nor do they make similar art that you do. You don't quit your job as a chef just because you don't like dealing with people, you learn to do it because it is necessary.

>If you don’t enjoy the process of learning to make art, you might as well just quit.It is the point if only you are hedonistic brainlet. It is pretty common in western culture to most value enjoyable and fun things. But there are much unpleasant things that important as well. There is no way to win a war without struggle and pain. It is neither fun nor pleasant to plow the land for raising bread to feed your starve semi extinct family. If you pursue only enjoyible process in your living, why don't you just take drugs to death? Easy enough and fun.Misery is one of the main pillar on with christianity stands. And even if you don't believe in god, the tradition of keeping misery valuable is the way to prevent mechanisation and alienation of human. Without misery we will have became just pleasure chasing emptiness.

>>4599092That sentence contradicts the entirety of the OP and the whole thread. If you can learn to love it then it makes no sense to tell someone to quit. Fucking kill yourself and OP should kill himself as well.

All toxicity aside,I am very much afraid that you are right OP.I legitimately only enjoy drawing anime girls and shit that interests me. I don't wanna draw from real life, I don't wanna draw boxes, I don't have the patience to learn the basics.I'm only like a month in and I've tried getting into Keys to drawing and other stuff like that and I just don't feel like doing it. Ever

>>4600154I’m really just /beg/ myself, but I feel like learning to enjoy it more is possible. When I started I only wanted to draw busty anime bitches, but I ended up developing a bit more interest in landscapes, animals, and figure drawing. Pic related is random doodle I did a while back

>>4598477You can't learn it, are you fucking stupid? If your not excited to pick up then pen and learn something new or create something, then art is not for you. You could probably brute force it and become a concept monkey for people with better vision then you, but you won't enjoy it at all.

>>4597318I'm just at the beginning of my art journey (19) and dont know about shit other than the most basics of fundamentals. I want to be better at art because I want to create whats in my head. I've always liked drawing, but only recently have I decided to take it seriously and grind the fundies. I draw a lot of things. From the real life sketching to anime and manga stuff that I like. I havent drawn any coomer stuff yet, if you discount the exagerrated proportions common in the anime medium. Being the Gen-Z trash that I am, I've grown up in a generation of information and communication. Information on anything can easily be obtained be it correct or incorrect, thats what I have believed for my whole life.Now to make my point. I have never thought about anything you have said, OP. I dont particularly like or hate the process. Somedays I enjoy it, other times its a chore. But what I do know is that I love art as a medium. It allows people to turn their imagination into reality. It has inspired generations. I do have particular subjects that i enjoy drawing more than others, but that doesnt mean I dont enjoy doing boxes or whatever. This is not a thread for asking advice, not that the thread for asking advice is helpful anyway, but I'd like to ask you for advice, OP. Advive on art, nothing specific. Maybe advice that you would give to you son that has asked you about what art means to you. I want to mention that I do not have to earn money through art, my ancestors were smart enough to build a shopping complex in the middle of a metropolis.

>>4600719OP's fury is not directed towards you, derphead. It's directed towards unimaginative, illogical, sheeple who just get into art for other goals aside from creating. They are ultimate fools, and OP is merely pointing out their idiocy.

Anyone who is true of heart to art and creation this thread does not apply too.

>>4597318>If you actually loved drawing, you’d drawNo. There are things I enjoy doing that I choose not to do because I believe they're not a good use of time, like playing videogames. Same goes for drawing, if you know you're never gonna be great or at least make something out of it, it's reasonable to consider dropping it because otherwise you're missing out on doing other things that could be better for you. Opportunity cost.

>>4601402If you can increase your time spent and/or efficiency, do so. If you cant, just progress at your own pace. If you only havw 2 hours for art, you probably are not in any hurry to learn. Not making any assumptions thoughN I dont know your situation

>>4598618That's false : don't get me wrong, these are degenerate coomers but if they like the process of drawing coomer art, they like drawing. Drawing coomer art is drawing. (Even if it's a low and ridiculous subject)

>>4598631>All successful artists love drawing, regardless of what they drawSo now you know what goes on inside all artists' heads. Get the fuck out of here. By the way if you listened/read enough interviews you'd know that this is not true.

I enjoy learning art, but 99% of the time I don't enjoy it because the material teaching it is bad or boring or just not what I need at my current skill level.

I didn't enjoy learning Japanese for 7 years, then I found a good method that works for me and I've been doing it daily (and taking it easy) for 4 years, without missing a day, already having reached proficiency.

The reason I don't quit is I still hope to find a decent approach that will work for me in drawing.

>>4601638This is the right answer if you pick up any hobby as an adult. You will not enjoy it in the beginning. Because youll find that you suck and the process is long and hard. But as you continuously do it by discplining yourself, you will enjoy it bit by bit. Until it becomes a habit and a big part of you. Those artists you admire? They probably started drawing as kids and never stopped. Their drawings sucked but they're kids. Kids dont think their drawings are bad. But as they do it more and more, they start improving.

Get to the habit of drawing everyday. Study your fundamentals and apply them to want you want to draw. You will eventually learn to love the process.

>>4601638>I didn't enjoy learning Japanese for 7 years, then I found a good method that works for me and I've been doing it daily (and taking it easy) for 4 yearsPlease share this with us. I've been studying Japanese for 3/4th of a year and I've been getting nowhere. I don't want to waste another 6 years of my life.

It's basically flashcards to forcefeed you some baseline vocabulary and a texthooker so you can translate words on the spot and read even if you don't know Japanese yet.You can do the vocab with premade decks suggested there (covering the most common words) or use plugins to make vocab cards out of stuff you read, learning words tailored to your interests.

>>4601658Thanks, anon. I used to have that confidence as a kid, but used my time to play videogames instead and didn't learn the miracle of mileage, building the habit as an adult is very hard.

>>4597318I don't like the process, but I desire the resulting picture for my own enjoyment. It feels satisfying finishing a picture, but the drawing part is a painful and exhausting trudge. What do I do?

Make it a habit to draw everyday. Even if you don’t feel like it. Even if you know the result will be bad because you’re a beg. Analyze your drawings and find out what makes a bad. Then look for a resource to study. For example, does the drawing not look at 3D? Then study basic forms and light & shadow.