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timothy
on Saturday September 24, 2011 @08:31AM
from the you're-welcome dept.

CNET, among many other sources, reports that the declining orbit of the Upper Atmosphere Research Satellite has declined all the way; the satellite reentered and broke up in Earth's atmosphere last night, though the exact time, and thus location, of the reentry was unknown at the time. CNET quotes NASA's release, which says the satellite "fell back to Earth between 11:23 p.m. EDT Friday, Sept. 23, and 1:09 a.m. EDT Sept. 24." The Christian Science Monitor has a newer story, which reports that at least some debris from the satellite hit land in Okotoks, Canada, with no injuries. NASA's Science Office page on the satellite (not yet updated to account for the deorbit) says the satellite was launched in 1991, with a planned operational life of three years.

The scary part was 70% Off topic and 30% Interesting. That means a lot of people with mod points don't like guns.:) And there are a few people with mod points that can see past the rhetoric. (Or like guns) But do not be impressed with my predicting lunacy. Lunacy is easy to predict.

Arizona, Alabama, and Michigan are just three of the states that have had mass casualty incidents and legal concealed carry. If you're going to say concealed carry has kept you from having another mass casualty incident you'll need a bit more data. Right now it sounds more like a rock that wards off tigers.

It seems that Canada is a falling satellite magnet. In 1977, a Soviet satellite fell in Canada also- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosmos_954 [wikipedia.org].although that one was probably much worse in terms of damage because Kosmos 954 had a nuclear reactor and some of that debris was radioactive. The only other really major fall where something fell on land was Skylab which fell over Australia. So Canada has managed to get 2/3 major falls that have hit land. That's pretty impressive. I think that Canada and the US are both members of the Space Liability Convention, which has provisions for fallen satellites, so if there's any actual damage from this, the US will need to pay Canada.

The Christian Science Monitor appears to have been taken in by the hoax posting of a video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OfWgu5jk5g [youtube.com]) supposedly showing reentry near Okotoks. Looks like the video was posted too early to be legit. UARS is definitely down but nobody seems to know exactly where yet.

Maybe you should pass your real time updated upper atmosphere model on to them. The time from when the satellite hit the upper atmosphere to when it hits the ground is measured in minutes not many 10's of minutes or hours. With it tumbling and no longer transmitting there's no way to accurately state it's altitude even if you did have a real time upper atmosphere model. There's simply no way to inform people in real time because there's no way to know in real time. Even if you constantly updated it by the time the info was passed on that entry had occurred it would already be on the ground (or darn soon afterward).

It's moving at 4-5 miles per second. If you can predict the time of reentry of an umpowered, tumbling, oddly shaped object to within 30 minutes, you've narrowed down its impact area to all of 7200-9000 miles. Or roughly 1/3rd of the way around the earth. Even narrowing it down to 5 minutes results in a 1200-1500 mile uncertainty.

I shot a rocket into the air,It fell to earth, I knew not whereUntil next day, with rage profound,The man it fell on came around.In less time than it takes to tell,He showed me where that rocket fell;And now I do not greatly careTo shoot more rockets in the air.

I been watching the decent on a app on my phone, currently it shows it a altitude of 135 km. I was watching it since Friday when it was at 180 km. Was going to try and watch if when it hits 100 to 120 and see how fast it decelerated. Guess its not a real time app. (Satellite Tracker 1.5) I tried to see it last night when it was passing within view between 8:17 and 8:24 pm. But alas was not able to see it.

What is interesting that for authors of the article from CSM( quote: The 6-ton UARS satellite — the biggest piece of space debris to fall from the sky since Sky Lab in 1979 ) the deorbited Mir station http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mir_space_station [wikipedia.org] has never existed - because only Skylab and this satellite existed as space debris.

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