Talk:Oliver Cromwell

I've been dreaming of a time when the English are sick to death of Labour and Tories and spit upon the name Oliver Cromwell and denounce this royal line that still salutes him and will salute him forever.

... surely should go on Morrissey's page? It isn't by Oliver Cromwell, and even if we were to allow quotes by others about Cromwell this wouldn't qualify. What some popsinger says about an historical figure 350 years after his death is 'not relevant.

I can agree that the comment is probably an ill-considered insult, and not one that I particularly like, but I do think it is generally good and useful to allow quotations of notable figures about other notable figures on the pages of those they comment upon, whether complimentary or not. George Washington is one figure that comes to my mind, where quotes about him are used on his page, and I know there are other pages where this is done, or I would like to do it. I generally much prefer not to traffic in or promote insults towards anyone, but someone did add this to the page, and I didn't think it appropriate for me to use my dislike of the comment to make an exception to a general rule that I do like. I am aware that there is much to be said against Cromwell's actions and policies in many particulars, and feel many comments about him would probably be negative, though he himself might be quoted as saying many admirable things. His "I beseech thee… " statement has long been one of my favorites, though whether he engaged in such humility himself is arguable. I do believe the quote should stay, though I admit I have no particular fervor to replace it myself. ~ Kalki 17:52, 18 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Let us restore the king to his throne, and let the king in future agree to govern with the consent of Parliament. Let us restore the old church, with its bishops, since that is what most of the people want; but since the Puritans and Separatists and Baptists have served us well in the war, let us not persecute them anymore but let them worship as they like, outside of the established church. And so let us have peace and liberty.

Not only strike while the iron is hot, but make it hot by striking.

Variant: Make the iron hot by striking it.

Not what they want but what is good for them.

Letter (1658)

On becoming soldiers we have not ceased to be citizens.

To Hell or to Connaught.

"To hell or Connaught" was the quote and choice Cromwell gave the Irish. They would either be killed or go to Connaught, which meant death because they could not survive there.

What is all our histories, but God showing himself, shaking and trampling on everything that he has not planted.

You Physicians think I shall die, I tell you that I shall not die this hour.