and apple can prohibit any application. im assuming they wouldnt want other browsers because they always say that safari is the best browser, why would they allow firefox on the iphone, thats just stupid

mozilla fennec will probably offers beta or final at end of this year and start of 09. for WM and some Linux based system. We will see how it goes from there.

Apple won't opened up the iPhone unless it has to, so far, It doesn't seem to feel any necessity. SDK is a start, but still a lot of restrictions... well, its their own phone, like I said, its monopoly, my friend

If Mozilla decides to port Firefox and Thunderbird to the iPhone, then there you go, you'll see them in the AppStore. If not, then you'll have to use Safari and Mail.

The Flash plug-in that Firefox uses is the exact same one that Safari uses. Adobe would still have to write the Flash plugin for the iPhone.

The browser doesn't write the plugin, Adobe does.

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I realize this, BUT they have a small PLUG-IN that works with Mozilla Firefox without the full Adobe Flash installed. I didn't realize this either until I couldn't get the Plug-in to install automatically OR manually. When I uninstalled everything, it loaded the small one for Firefox. I then reinstalled the Full version. Or, maybe I just didn't understand what I was looking at.

I realize this, BUT they have a small plug-in that works in Mozilla Firefox without the full Adobe Flash installed. I didn't realize this either until I couldn't get the Plug-in to install automatically OR manually. When I uninstalled everything, it loaded the small one for Firefox. I then reinstalled the Full version. Or, maybe I just didn't understand what I was looking at.

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Nope, Firefox by itself doesn't have any independent knowledge of how to display Flash content. It always has to pass all Flash content through a plug-in.

It does offer a plugin finder service, which, depending on your platform, may include a number of open-source attempts to replace the Flash player, such as GNU's Gnash in addition to (or in place of) Adobe's Flash Player. The Adobe Flash Player which you obtain through Firefox's plugin finder is smaller than the download you'd obtain directly from Adobe because Adobe's direct download, in addition to the Mozilla-type plugin (whose plugin infrastructure is used by most browsers), can also include a standalone player and (on Windows) an ActiveX-based plugin for Internet Explorer.

Adobe's Flash Player, of course, exists independently of the full-fledged product named "Adobe Flash", which is actually Adobe's main Flash authoring tool.

I thought I heard a rumor than Firefox would be replacing it's gekko engine with webkit.

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no, it was an proposal by a allpeers' developer. But there was no serious discussion about that. IMHO. webkit at current stage can't do what firefox needs to do. and it would take too much changes in webkit (big procedure problem with apple I feel headache thinking about it) with no promising success.

I know. Even though I didn't want to, I went ahead and downloaded IE8 for testing purposes. They seemed to fix a few bugs from IE7, but it's essentially still the same browser. We'll see how it progresses from beta...

FF3 is lightyears ahead. If only the general population would upgrade from IE6 it would certainly make web development much much easier.

The mobile browser market is interesting and something I'm going to have to pay attention to as more and more people are partaking in mobile browsing now.

I know. Even though I didn't want to, I went ahead and downloaded IE8 for testing purposes. They seemed to fix a few bugs from IE7, but it's essentially still the same browser. We'll see how it progresses from beta...

FF3 is lightyears ahead. If only the general population would upgrade from IE6 it would certainly make web development much much easier.

The mobile browser market is interesting and something I'm going to have to pay attention to as more and more people are partaking in mobile browsing now.

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I totally agree that more should upgrade to FireFox and my company is doing it's part. Our agents all must use FF fox only on our network and from all the web stats we have seen IE is now second or third place when it comes to browsers.....We have also updated all our clients to Thunderbird and the only people who complained are those who had the fancy "Calendar and Notes" Sync between iPhone and OutBox? or what ever that stupid email client is by MS...lol

However, I did see how that email client(Outlook?) worked with the iPhone and it was great time saver an scheduler.
Of course we know that Apple and Microsoft are in bed together which is why that works so well and apple has not created the same functionality for Thunderbird or some of the other email clients....

Pretty sad that Apple is starting to go they way of Microsoft in the predatory business practices, I held them to a high standard

Anyway i would like to offer our support for an app for iPhone to Thunderbird for email, notes and Calendar sync and scheduling

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