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One thing that has delayed me from saying 'yes' in taking this on is that I have experience in handling a group order and it was a bit of struggle sometimes and took a lot of effort. Checking up with people who 'said' they would order was one thing, tracking payments was another, and then receiving a shipment then parlaying that to individuals... anyway, so I didn't like the experience too much.

But I have been looking into this topic and I want to see it happen, so here's my question/suggestion:

-Are there any opinions on going with JLVelo for clothing? Yes/No? (http://www.jlvelo.com/)Why them?Because if I take on the lead for handling the order, they are relatively local to me. They also handle a 'team' ordering page and apparently can ship to individuals, saving time & effort in sorting out the order. It sounds like you may also be able to pay them directly, which relieves a lot of the issues with group orders. They have low minimums and obviously the price goes down as the quantity goes up. They can adjust small things like length of torso on bibs... so tall guys don't complain and short guys don't complain either. Everybody ends up happy. Their garment features can be pretty tech, too. I haven't spent too much time looking at them, but if the consensus here is that 'we will consider it' I can inquire with them a bit further. I also like that they use fabrics which are recycled fibers and are powered by solar... makes me feel a little better about this thing even though it may not matter to you.

Once we have a vendor, lead, and method settled, we can actually get this thing going.

Design: from the ones provided so far I like (in order of preference)1. The one by eurperg (especially if small weenie is added to it somewhere)2. The blue and green by prendrefeu3. Current - the one from last orderHowever, I'll be Ok with some other one as well, most likely.

Prend, I think JLVelo is fine. I don't have any experience with their kits but they sound like decent quality. I also appreciate when you did the group buy in the rims several years ago. I was part of that and from my end I thought it went very smoothly. I know you put a lot of energy into it.

I agree with btompkins regarding the kit. If you do your design with JLVelo I would be in for it. I think the design is great enough that we should finalize and move to ordering phase for those interested. Would be nice to have general idea of cost for the kit.

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