The one covering Norwich that has, for the last 60 years, relied on the sheaths of their service cable where it comes off the bobbins strapped to the bungalow chimney and dangles alongside the brickwork before passing under the lead flashing, over the concrete tiles, through into the loft and meandering along the joists before dropping down to the cut-out??????????????????

-----------seriously fellas, (and girls) what is happening?
"join us and you will get a safe job done", you have endless
"competent persons" schemes, soon endless "safer than the
next one" schemes.
the industry has lost enough credibility already with various
landscape gardners, house removers, porch builders, kitchen
fitters, shower installers and bedroom fitters gaining entry to
the schemes, presumably they will all have automatic entry
into the new ones?

That will be the same "electricity board" that failed to leave me an earth terminal today then on a new installation that was PME capable and was agreed it would be provided.

To be fair to the DNO, I believe it was down to the metering muppet who was more interested apparently in moaning because we didn't leave test results on site (given that he fitted an isolator and we had to connect anyway I didn't see it mattered).

Needless to say my customer has enjoyed roasting the supplier this afternoon.

All I can say is bring back Eastern Electricity so we all know where we stand (and the older guys can wear the jackets they still have)

As to the new registration scheme. If all the scheme providers sign up then it's almost a workable system given the NVQ3 requirements for new QS's. All we need to do then is stop Mr J public from doing his own (and his mates work), perhaps the DNO's could help by disconnecting supplies from properties with illegal installations

-----we have two massive sites starting in chelmsford, essex
at the moment, I will keep members posted on the quality of electrical
contractor and procedures they follow. but I am not very optimistic,
it comes down to price, and you all know what that means.

All we need to do then is stop Mr J public from doing his own (and his mates work),

The government has already pointed out to your representatives especially the one that suggested a compulsory 5 year PIR that no mandatory requirements will be forced upon the homeowner, no political party is daft enough to fly that one, it will stay as is, so whilst your all bitching about who comes up on the middle or bottom of the postcode and town search register and scratching a living because of price fixing Mr DIY will still be peering through his curtains laughing at you.

Basically the message is sort this out between your representatives and yourselves and dont involve the poor public in this.

regards

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"Take nothing but a picture,leave nothing but footprints!"-------------------------"Oh! The drama of it all."-------------------------"You can throw all the philosophy you like at the problem, but at the end of the day it's just basic electrical theory!"-------------------------

sure. Thats if ukpn installation gets the work and it doesnt go out to another lloyds register contractor as you say its down to price and they turn up when they say they will.........

Id vote for it to go back to a unified 'board' body. There was 1 number, and whoever came out, they always knew who was going to do the next bit.
There was no call centre scripted moronic responses hosted by people who dont even know basic terms etc............ah

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----------------------------------------Lack of planning on your part doesn't make it an emergency on mine....

-----"Mr DIY will still be laughing at you"
its not just the diyer, we were involved in a medium sized
sports pavillion last week and talking to the sparks, it became clear that
he wasnt a scheme member but a guy who had been going for years
on his own steam, good quality work, he was around 60, never short of work, he could do the job blind fold. probably joined the JIB in the 60s,
5 year apprenticeship, kept up with the regs his trunking was razor. but it would be hed spent the early years cutting miles of steel-- plastic
is never going to faze him.
there is loads of sparks like him, work with them every day, why should
they join a scheme?

We had one fuse on a 3-phase head burn out. Jointers suggested that the (black) cut-outs were only rated for 60A continuous, the 100A rating was only for intermittent use. We were drawing around 70A all day on that line.

There was mention of smart meters monitoring cut-out temperatures. Seems like a very sensible idea, given the meter's ability to report back quickly and the relatively short-time between overheating becoming noticeable and failure (in our case someone noticed 'a burning smell' the day before, but it didn't get reported properly ). Does anyone know if the smart meters are actually going to do this? - either directly via a temperature probe or implied by noting unusual voltage drop on current increase? Or has it gone the way of DP isolation?

"We had one fuse on a 3-phase head burn out. Jointers suggested that the (black) cut-outs were only rated for 60A continuous, the 100A rating was only for intermittent use. We were drawing around 70A all day on that line."

I've been told Andy, that the black ones are rated at 80 A whilst the newer grey ones, being made of DMC are fully rated at 100 A.

there is loads of sparks like him, work with them every day, why should

Do you ask him for certificates before connecting up for him ?

Regards

OMS

To be fair to all of the guys "on the other side of the meter". Nearly all that I meet can tell whether they need to ask for paperwork or not from a quick glance around the job.

Although I've got the one going on when EON failed to perform that I mentioned earlier in the thread, in general it works on my patch. We try to play the game and the guys on the DNO / Metering side try and play to the same tune.

It seems to be when either the diy'ers or those with the book but no skills get involved it generally goes wrong.

That said, the sooner UK Power Networks take the metering on so it's one point of contact the better