@jlzbeef: Has David Arkin shown the coaches anything to think he may be a player, or is he just a camp body?

He might be a backup. He’ll need a good camp and preseason to stick on the roster. Arkin has been leapfrogged on the depth chart by Ronald Leary, who has a chance to challenge for a starting job. Arkin seems destined to join the Robert Brewster, James Marten, etc. line of mid-round O-line busts.

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It looked like a line from that article. He says nearly the exact same thing.

Edit to add: regardless, what I said earlier still goes. I will add that MacMahon is likely right, but merely speculating that Leary has passed Arkin. Leary has garnered more attention and praise, but both players are starting at their respective guard spots. At the moment (which could change anytime Livings and Bernadeau are declared healthy) they are both on the first team.

Hard to say. I think if he can stay on the roster and hold down a backup guard spot, how can you consider that a bust? He was a 4th round draft pick, we can't assume that a 4th round draft pick is going to be an eventual starter. If he doesn't make it past training camp, I guess you can call him a "bust", but I tend to reserve that label for guys drafted in the first two or three rounds_________________

Hard to say. I think if he can stay on the roster and hold down a backup guard spot, how can you consider that a bust? He was a 4th round draft pick, we can't assume that a 4th round draft pick is going to be an eventual starter. If he doesn't make it past training camp, I guess you can call him a "bust", but I tend to reserve that label for guys drafted in the first two or three rounds

I don't agree, I think outside of round 4 that it's tough to call bust. In the first 4 rounds you should find starters/ contributors and depth. Right now it seems fridge that the staff is confident enough to put him in a game even if an injury happens seen in both the trade for and resigning of Ryan Cook. A 4th rounder doesn't have to be a super star, but to avoid the bust label from me he has to show he actually belongs in the league. Arkin was suppose to have it all, minus strength but the jump in competition was mis scouted (shocker with our mid-round small school scouting am I right?) but has yet to put it together.

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Hard to say. I think if he can stay on the roster and hold down a backup guard spot, how can you consider that a bust? He was a 4th round draft pick, we can't assume that a 4th round draft pick is going to be an eventual starter. If he doesn't make it past training camp, I guess you can call him a "bust", but I tend to reserve that label for guys drafted in the first two or three rounds

I don't agree, I think outside of round 4 that it's tough to call bust. In the first 4 rounds you should find starters/ contributors and depth. Right now it seems fridge that the staff is confident enough to put him in a game even if an injury happens seen in both the trade for and resigning of Ryan Cook. A 4th rounder doesn't have to be a super star, but to avoid the bust label from me he has to show he actually belongs in the league. Arkin was suppose to have it all, minus strength but the jump in competition was mis scouted (shocker with our mid-round small school scouting am I right?) but has yet to put it together.

Love what I heard in his reports on draft day, not a fan right now.

Right. So until he isn't on the roster anymore, I can't consider him even close to a bust, because he still provides some depth._________________

Hard to say. I think if he can stay on the roster and hold down a backup guard spot, how can you consider that a bust? He was a 4th round draft pick, we can't assume that a 4th round draft pick is going to be an eventual starter. If he doesn't make it past training camp, I guess you can call him a "bust", but I tend to reserve that label for guys drafted in the first two or three rounds

No one's ever been drafted in any round without the intention of him eventually contributing to the team. A 4th round pick obviously matters a heckuva lot less than a 1st, but its the same principle. People drafted in the fourth have made more of an impact than a 1st round pick of the same draft class. So, instead of drafting Arkin (assuming he goes my projected path), we could have drafted Richard Sherman or Jacquizz Rodgers... of course we didn't know that at the time they would be a better pick (though would that have been nice! ) Therefore I consider absolutely everyone that doesn't work out that is not an UDFA a bust._________________
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Hard to say. I think if he can stay on the roster and hold down a backup guard spot, how can you consider that a bust? He was a 4th round draft pick, we can't assume that a 4th round draft pick is going to be an eventual starter. If he doesn't make it past training camp, I guess you can call him a "bust", but I tend to reserve that label for guys drafted in the first two or three rounds

No one's ever been drafted in any round without the intention of him eventually contributing to the team. A 4th round pick obviously matters a heckuva lot less than a 1st, but its the same principle. People drafted in the fourth have made more of an impact than a 1st round pick of the same draft class. So, instead of drafting Arkin (assuming he goes my projected path), we could have drafted Richard Sherman or Jacquizz Rodgers... of course we didn't know that at the time they would be a better pick (though would that have been nice! ) Therefore I consider absolutely everyone that doesn't work out that is not an UDFA a bust.

So you expect all 7th rounders to come in and contribute for a decent amount of time? Obviously the intention of every draft pick is for them to become a major contributor to your team. But intention does not mean expectation. I guess my expectations for later draft picks are lower than others, and that is fine. Just a difference in philosophy, which I respect._________________

You also have to realize you are talking about an offensive lineman. You guys are syaing that he doesnt have to be a starter but at least a contributer, and you list a corner and a RB as an example. There are multiple ways that a 4th round corner or RB can contribute without starting, like kickoff return, kickoff coverage, punt return, punt coverage, sometimes there are 5 corners on the feild at the same time, most games you have three different RBs getting carries. Arkin is an offensive lineman. There is only ONE guy on the feild for each specific O line position. Even the defensive line has a rotation. And line backers too. Safeties can play special teams. WRs all get in the game, TEs have two or three people on the same play. Its offensive lineman and the QB that dont rotate and require chemistry. You wouldnt be mad at a fourth round QB for not contributing because there isnt much he can do beside play QB. Same with an offensive lineman. Unless you want Arkin to be a gunner on punt coverage then i dont know what else he can do but start on the line._________________FF Membership: 10 years