The Mole Dutch Series 12 [English subtitles]

The only possible clues I can think of for Liesbeth both regard the fact that moles dig/live underground.
- During the first challenge she's shown on the beach digging for something. (I still don't know what was going through her head there)
- During the speedboat/family photo challenge, her family picture was the only one buried in the ground rather than floating.

I haven't paid much attention to see if there's been more, but... it's something, I suppose.

I really don't understand why the episode title was "Tim, Anne-Marie, Liesbeth". Maybe it is the execution order? That definitely says something.

Tim going for Anne-Marie proves that she is not the Mole. Liesbeth was apparently going for her too, so maybe she is just faster or she is the Mole.

Hadewych has never clearly stated her suspicions on someone, which makes me suspicious of her.

Anne-Marie suspects Liesbeth. I really think Liesbeth is the Mole, but if I'm not mistaken, didn't Frits and William go with her?

With the hay maze mission sabotage, I am really thinking it is Liesbeth. She is my #1. However, I would be really disappointed. Hadewych is right behind though. In the plaza mission, she noticed everyone and thus lost money, but she got a little bit of it with her answers to Art's questions so as to not make her look as bad. If she was the Mole, I'd be thrilled. I am almost 100% sure it is not Anne-Marie, so I am not too concerned with her.

I really don't understand why the episode title was "Tim, Anne-Marie, Liesbeth". Maybe it is the execution order? That definitely says something.

Tim going for Anne-Marie proves that she is not the Mole. Liesbeth was apparently going for her too, so maybe she is just faster or she is the Mole.

Hadewych has never clearly stated her suspicions on someone, which makes me suspicious of her.

Anne-Marie suspects Liesbeth. I really think Liesbeth is the Mole, but if I'm not mistaken, didn't Frits and William go with her?

With the hay maze mission sabotage, I am really thinking it is Liesbeth. She is my #1. However, I would be really disappointed. Hadewych is right behind though. In the plaza mission, she noticed everyone and thus lost money, but she got a little bit of it with her answers to Art's questions so as to not make her look as bad. If she was the Mole, I'd be thrilled. I am almost 100% sure it is not Anne-Marie, so I am not too concerned with her.

I love this season. Let's hope it has a good conclusion.

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No, William went with Anne-Marie. Honestly I'm baffled that everyone keeps voting for Anne-Marie, even with the knowledge that Marit and William (and now Tim) were executed after voting for her. Surely these people can't be dumb enough to seriously suspect her at this point? Everyone voting for her is going home! The only acceptable explanation that wouldn't make me go "wtf" at these people's voting choices at the end of the season is if it really was Anne-Marie and everyone was just onto her from the beginning and the slowest time just kept getting executed because they were all on the right track. But I highly doubt that's what's going on because it just seems so far-fetched.

And if Liesbeth isn't the mole she's not very smart to vote Anne-Marie this episode after what happened to William. Either Anne-Marie is a super obvious mole and all of the other contestants are onto her, Liesbeth isn't very smart, or Liesbeth is the mole and is lying about who she's targeting. If the mole is Hadewych Liesbeth is losing to Anne-Marie for sure.

Ugh I'm really not sure who the mole is at this point between Hadewych and Liesbeth, but that episode title seems a little bit too obvious to me so I'm not going to assume Hadewych is the mole because of it. Also I've wondered for a while if the real reason we aren't getting to hear Hadewych's suspicions could possibly be because she's the winner and has been onto the mole for a while and production doesn't want us to hear her voiceovers because they give really valid arguments that give too much away. But then again she would make for a pretty invisible winner. Personally I hope she's the loser just because I'd rather not have a mole or a winner who was that invisible for the first half of the show. I'm convinced Anne-Marie is our winner at this point, though. She was the very first person to get a ton of focus on her, right from the very first challenge which basically revolved around her for most of it.

Editing to add my thoughts as I watch the episode:

at Hadewych's confessional about not wanting to be away from her Mole (who we've still yet to discover because we've never heard who she suspects). Why volunteer, then? Especially since in the challenge it turned out to be pretty easy to sabotage no matter which task you had.

In the first challenge either Liesbeth or Hadewych could've been sabotaging tbh. Liesbeth could've been responsible for making sure they looked as ridiculous as they did, and obviously Hadewych could've easily recognized them while also making sure she'd know the answer to the question so that she could earn a little bit of money back and still look good.

Liesbeth wanting to go first in the maze is suspicious. Knowing no one is able to guide anyone unless they've already gone, she would easily have an excuse to get caught if she went first and would then be in a position to guide at least one other person through the maze on her own, thus screwing them up as well.

LOL at Hadewych suggesting she turn the walkie talkie off so that the bandana guy can't hear her. And at "...I don't think that's useful." "Ok." That made both Hadewych look like the Mole and Liesbeth look like a contestant. Hadewych did succeed where Liesbeth failed, though, which puts suspicion on Liesbeth. Anne-Marie's observation that she got blamed but Liesbeth didn't was spot-on as well. Hadewych grabbed the envelope with the smallest amount of money, which could be a coincidence, or another example of her potentially costing the group a larger amount of money (she could've taken the 1250 instead and earned the group that) but then earning them a smaller amount of money to throw suspicion off.

Very deliberate (imo) shot of the "'El esparragal, altitud solore el nivel del mar, 47913" sign. From what I gather from Google Translate it's just showing what the altitude of that particular hotel is, but maybe it also serves as some kind of clue?

Extremely interesting conversation between Anne-Marie and Liesbeth. I've already written Anne-Marie off as a suspect (thus my focus on Liesbeth and Hadewych) but she didn't seem suspicious to me here which makes me even more confident it's not her. Liesbeth on the other hand managed to deflect the conversation off of her when Anne-Marie started bringing up how Liesbeth always manages to make herself look less suspicious. The conversation then became all about Anne-Marie. I also mentioned after the last episode that Liesbeth approaching Anne-Marie for a conversation would be a very contestant-like thing to do, but judging by the conversation itself it seems equally likely to me that Anne-Marie could've been the one who approached Liesbeth, not the other way around.

Another shot of that sign with the number 47,913 on it, this time accompanied with a voiceover about the Mole.

Still stunned by Tim suspecting Anne-Marie after William clearly got the boot after voting for her. He also said he's sure Hadewych is not the mole, which is exactly what William said last episode.

As far as the quiz confessionals:90% of the quiz confessionals of people we know to have been contestants and not the Mole this season: "I suspect X for Y reason and don't suspect Z."Tim's quiz confessional: "I suspect Anne-Marie and not Hadewych."Anne-Marie's confessional after the quiz: "I suspect Liesbeth and then Tim, so Hadewych should be executed next."Hadewych and Liesbeth's confessionals: "I like taking tests." "The questions are more detailed now." If one of them is not the Mole I'll eat my hand!

Also I believe that makes three episodes in a row now that it has come down to one person and Liesbeth at the execution, and then the other person has been eliminated. If she's a contestant they're certainly putting her through the emotional ringer at the executions, giving her so many close calls like that

Did we see all three of these ladies' photos at the wreckage challenge? I remember we saw the Mole's photo (clearly showing the wreckage) right before the clock was changed, but I'm not sure whether we saw everybody's photos?

I would be happy or content with Hadewych being the mole or winner... shes fucking funny and I don't get where this SHES BEEN INVISIBLE so she cant be the mole or winner from stems from. I honestly feel like I know more about her than the other two finalists. Shes quirky, calculated, I think shes hilarious.

So we are left with an ending where

A) Hadewych is the mole and no one was on to her: which would be fucking amazing... There are a lot of things people don't factor in when it comes to potential sabotages. She might not have done something super elaborate or obvious like the other two women, but she has sabotaged 1 or twice in every single episode. You guys also are not accounting for shit she did that could easily have been blamed on someone else or was unresolved. IE: the chords laser tag quiz... Did know one find it odd that Hadewych approached someone on the plane who was soooo SURE of his answer... and then when they get the wrong song and Liesbeth was correct she agreed to the wrong song title. I think if she is the mole she has done a very good job at not only losing money, but convincing almost everyone that she was not the mole. I don't think its a coincidence that both William and Tim specifically stated that there was NO WAY she was the mole... and they both said it in the episodes they were executed.

B) or the mole is Anne Marie/Liesbeth and they did an absolutely horrible job at deceiving and remaining undercover.

If Hadewych is not the mole I will not be satisfied and completely underwhelmed. I dont think her suspicions have been revealed because she is the mole. I don't think they would be that deliberate for no reason. Win/Mole.

With Tim gone, I went back and rewatched the negotiations in episode 4, thinking that this is the most important situation for the mole. We now know that the Mole was part of the negotiations (William and Marit are gone). We know Liesbeth had two different ideas in her two negotiations, to vote to stop the execution with Hadewych (Hadewych is the first to say to keep everyone), and to figure out that with the mole voting, there would be no unanimity with Frits. My original impression from the meeting was that Frits and Liesbeth agreed to vote to continue the execution, but I don't think that explicit agreement was made (I may have to go back and see it a third time). Frits doesn't explicitly tell Tim that Liesbeth will vote to continue the execution. My mind just added that detail. Anne-Marie does agree with Tim to stop the execution. The thing I find curious is that they don't show Anne-Marie and Hadewych's negotiations. My memory had them both quickly saying they agree to stop the execution, but in the rewatch, I didn't see them. My intent to rewatch this was to come up with an argument that it has to be Liesbeth as the mole, as she was the only one that did anything that could cause the votes to be split, which was a win for the Mole, but seeing as the rewatch pointed out to me that I made assumptions that became false 'memories', then my suspicious mind says I was directed to think this way by editing, and that Hadewych (and/or Anne-Marie) were more involved than was shown.

Sigh. 5 weeks later, and that challenge still has my mind spinning.

I still think Liesbeth is the mole, and I suspect Hadewych is the winner.

darksmurf67 wrote: My original impression from the meeting was that Frits and Liesbeth agreed to vote to continue the execution, but I don't think that explicit agreement was made (I may have to go back and see it a third time). Frits doesn't explicitly tell Tim that Liesbeth will vote to continue the execution. My mind just added that detail. Anne-Marie does agree with Tim to stop the execution. The thing I find curious is that they don't show Anne-Marie and Hadewych's negotiations. My memory had them both quickly saying they agree to stop the execution, but in the rewatch, I didn't see them.

Frits and Liesbeth seem to agree on continuing with the execution after Liesbeth brought up that unanimity was needed for the most positive result (winning money and 2 contestants to stay), yet realizing this would never be the case with the Mole in their midst. As far as I can tell Frits agrees with this because he then goes on to persuade Tim to vote red as well, and makes it a big point for him not to change his mind about it. So I think by means of his actions we can conclude Frits really did agree to do this, he even explicitly mentiones voting red for the first and only time in his life later.

The negotiations between Anne-Marie and Hadewych were there, but they weren't very elaborate since both argued they had discussed voting green/ continuing with the execution in the previous conversation (which is true as far as we can tell).

Sequence:

Conversation 1: Liesbeth and Hadewych. (agreement to vote green).

Conversation 2: Anne-Marie and Tim (agreement to vote green).

Conversation 3: Liesbeth and Frits (realizing all green was not an option, vote red 3x = no money earned was the best outcome).

Conversation 4: Anne-Marie and Hadewych. (agreement to vote green as agreed in the former conversations).

Okay. I must have missed it in the second pass through. So, my point comes out. While Hadewych does first say that she wants to keep the contestants, other than that, neither Anne-Marie or her do anything that could be considered pushing things to be non-unanimous, and from what they see of the discussions, would have no way of knowing that any of the other contestants would vote to continue with the execution, so, from what we've seen, this points strongly to Liesbeth being the mole. The other two could assume Frits would figure out the mole would want to convince people to continue the execution, figuring the mole had an easy sabotage, but since neither of them talk with Frits ...

Okay. My internal reasoning goes further to figure that Frits and Tim voted to continue the execution, and Liesbeth as the mole voted to stop the execution, being convinced that Frits would vote to continue, and she wins either way. Anne-Marie and Hadewych as contestants vote to stop the execution, as they hear nothing from the other people they talk to to know that anyone else would vote otherwise.

I wonder if they will reveal who voted which way in the recap episode.