Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

I don't understand what's so difficult about losing weight. Have any of you
tried just eating with fruits and vegetables exclusively? Fiber will go
right through you, so if you eat fruits and vegetables exclusively (well,
with a piece of chicken or beef every other day for protein) it's
practically like you're eating nothing at all. In fact, I've found I lose
too much weight if I don't supplement it with a few slices of bread every
other day.

How many of you have tried, or are willing to try, this? It works (almost
too well for me) and it's the simplest thing you'll ever do to lose weight.

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:58:21 GMT, "Scott Smith" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>I don't understand what's so difficult about losing weight. Have any of you
>tried just eating with fruits and vegetables exclusively? Fiber will go
>right through you, so if you eat fruits and vegetables exclusively (well,
>with a piece of chicken or beef every other day for protein) it's
>practically like you're eating nothing at all. In fact, I've found I lose
>too much weight if I don't supplement it with a few slices of bread every
>other day.
>
>How many of you have tried, or are willing to try, this? It works (almost
>too well for me) and it's the simplest thing you'll ever do to lose weight.
>

Fortunately, I have found it possible to lose weight and maintain the
loss while eating a full complement of foods.

Chris
262/130s/130s
started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

"Chris Braun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:58:21 GMT, "Scott Smith" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>I don't understand what's so difficult about losing weight. Have any of
>>you
>>tried just eating with fruits and vegetables exclusively? Fiber will go
>>right through you, so if you eat fruits and vegetables exclusively (well,
>>with a piece of chicken or beef every other day for protein) it's
>>practically like you're eating nothing at all. In fact, I've found I lose
>>too much weight if I don't supplement it with a few slices of bread every
>>other day.
>>
>>How many of you have tried, or are willing to try, this? It works (almost
>>too well for me) and it's the simplest thing you'll ever do to lose
>>weight.
>>
>
> Fortunately, I have found it possible to lose weight and maintain the
> loss while eating a full complement of foods.

That would probably require exercise, I would imagine. Not to mention, the
fruit and vegetable regimen is bounding with health benefits.

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 14:33:20 GMT, "Scott Smith" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>"Chris Braun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>news:[email protected]. .
>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:58:21 GMT, "Scott Smith" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I don't understand what's so difficult about losing weight. Have any of
>>>you
>>>tried just eating with fruits and vegetables exclusively? Fiber will go
>>>right through you, so if you eat fruits and vegetables exclusively (well,
>>>with a piece of chicken or beef every other day for protein) it's
>>>practically like you're eating nothing at all. In fact, I've found I lose
>>>too much weight if I don't supplement it with a few slices of bread every
>>>other day.
>>>
>>>How many of you have tried, or are willing to try, this? It works (almost
>>>too well for me) and it's the simplest thing you'll ever do to lose
>>>weight.
>>>
>>
>> Fortunately, I have found it possible to lose weight and maintain the
>> loss while eating a full complement of foods.
>
>That would probably require exercise, I would imagine. Not to mention, the
>fruit and vegetable regimen is bounding with health benefits.
>

Exercise is a good thing for a whole lot of reasons, not just weight
loss. I expect that a diet with as little protein as you're
suggesting would negatively impact one's ability to exercise. Anyway,
all kinds of foods have health benefits, not just fruits and
vegetables. A more varied diet is necessary to provide the best
overall nutrition.

Chris
262/130s/130s
started dieting July 2002, maintaining since June 2004

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

"Chris Braun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 14:33:20 GMT, "Scott Smith" <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Chris Braun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:[email protected] ..
>>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:58:21 GMT, "Scott Smith" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I don't understand what's so difficult about losing weight. Have any of
>>>>you
>>>>tried just eating with fruits and vegetables exclusively? Fiber will go
>>>>right through you, so if you eat fruits and vegetables exclusively
>>>>(well,
>>>>with a piece of chicken or beef every other day for protein) it's
>>>>practically like you're eating nothing at all. In fact, I've found I
>>>>lose
>>>>too much weight if I don't supplement it with a few slices of bread
>>>>every
>>>>other day.
>>>>
>>>>How many of you have tried, or are willing to try, this? It works
>>>>(almost
>>>>too well for me) and it's the simplest thing you'll ever do to lose
>>>>weight.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Fortunately, I have found it possible to lose weight and maintain the
>>> loss while eating a full complement of foods.
>>
>>That would probably require exercise, I would imagine. Not to mention, the
>>fruit and vegetable regimen is bounding with health benefits.
>>
>
> Exercise is a good thing for a whole lot of reasons, not just weight
> loss.

I agree, however for the majority who want to loss weight without exercise,
eating a fruit and vegetable regimen will provide this without compromising
their health in the process.
>I expect that a diet with as little protein as you're
> suggesting would negatively impact one's ability to exercise.

Nothing says a person can't eat a piece of chicken or beef once per day if
necessary. In fact, a person could make do with eating two pieces per day
without jeopardizing the aforementioned regimen. I've been using this
regimen for over a year now and have never felt better. My skin looks great,
I feel great and my energy levels are very, very high. Remember, beef and
chicken aside, there are vegetal avenues to obtain protein.
> all kinds of foods have health benefits, not just fruits and
> vegetables.

It depends on which foods you're referring to, although the advantage of a
fruit and vegetable regimen is that there's no guesswork regarding what will
and will not conflict with a persons weightloss goals. Practically nothing
is off limits(aside from diabetic considerations perhaps). In my estimation,
it is the absolutely safest, most effective and completely simple weight
loss strategy out there that I've found compared to everything else. If
weight loss is the goal, this is a regimen that does not require exercise if
a person simply wants to drop their excess weight. That certainly isn't to
say after a person drops the weight, they may not want to engage in exercise
to shape their new body.
> A more varied diet is necessary to provide the best
> overall nutrition.

What do a wide array of fruits and vegetables not contain that you feel a
person would need (protein aside, although this can also be supplemented via
vegetative methods) to supplement externally?

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

"Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:QKj7h.8468$[email protected]..
>
> "Chris Braun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]..
>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:58:21 GMT, "Scott Smith" <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>I don't understand what's so difficult about losing weight. Have any of
>>>you
>>>tried just eating with fruits and vegetables exclusively? Fiber will go
>>>right through you, so if you eat fruits and vegetables exclusively (well,
>>>with a piece of chicken or beef every other day for protein) it's
>>>practically like you're eating nothing at all. In fact, I've found I lose
>>>too much weight if I don't supplement it with a few slices of bread every
>>>other day.
>>>
>>>How many of you have tried, or are willing to try, this? It works (almost
>>>too well for me) and it's the simplest thing you'll ever do to lose
>>>weight.
>>>
>>
>> Fortunately, I have found it possible to lose weight and maintain the
>> loss while eating a full complement of foods.
>
> That would probably require exercise, I would imagine. Not to mention, the
> fruit and vegetable regimen is bounding with health benefits.
>
Don't have much details on your "diet" but it seems to me that it's very
limited, boring, and not all that nutritious...

As Chris has said, I'm happy that I have lost the weight (over 70 lbs) and
maintained the loss, while eating a much more varied and complete array of
foods.

I do, exercise, which means I'm a thin healthy person, as opposed to all
those skinny persons I know who wouldn't be able to walk a mile..

Fit is a heck of a lot more healthy than thin... physically, mentally,
emotionally... of course, optimal condition is when you have both...

Another one who miss the point that a lot of us in here have loss the wait
and are maintaining..

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

"Willow Herself" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:edl7h.6634$[email protected] t...
>
> "Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:QKj7h.8468$[email protected]..
>>
>> "Chris Braun" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:[email protected]..
>>> On Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:58:21 GMT, "Scott Smith" <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I don't understand what's so difficult about losing weight. Have any of
>>>>you
>>>>tried just eating with fruits and vegetables exclusively? Fiber will go
>>>>right through you, so if you eat fruits and vegetables exclusively
>>>>(well,
>>>>with a piece of chicken or beef every other day for protein) it's
>>>>practically like you're eating nothing at all. In fact, I've found I
>>>>lose
>>>>too much weight if I don't supplement it with a few slices of bread
>>>>every
>>>>other day.
>>>>
>>>>How many of you have tried, or are willing to try, this? It works
>>>>(almost
>>>>too well for me) and it's the simplest thing you'll ever do to lose
>>>>weight.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Fortunately, I have found it possible to lose weight and maintain the
>>> loss while eating a full complement of foods.
>>
>> That would probably require exercise, I would imagine. Not to mention,
>> the fruit and vegetable regimen is bounding with health benefits.
>>
> Don't have much details on your "diet" but it seems to me that it's very
> limited, boring, and not all that nutritious...

Boring, perhaps. Limited, perhaps. Not nutritious? Hold it... compared to?
> As Chris has said, I'm happy that I have lost the weight (over 70 lbs) and
> maintained the loss, while eating a much more varied and complete array of
> foods.

No one is saying this regimen has an exclusive choke hold on weight loss,
but I can practically guarantee it will work for nearly everyone.
> I do, exercise, which means I'm a thin healthy person, as opposed to all
> those skinny persons I know who wouldn't be able to walk a mile..

Most of these people can't walk a mile, not because they don't necessarily
exercise, but because they're loading their system down with fuel that
doesn't nourish the engine. I'm certainly not against exercise in any
capacity, but the regimen I'm espousing is _very_ healthy for the
participant and doesn't require exercise in order to work. There are many
diets out there that will help a person lose weight, however a vast majority
of them are unhealthy gimmicks aren't suitable for longterm use.
> Fit is a heck of a lot more healthy than thin...

Again, I have nothing against exercise, although I would take issue with
this statement. A person who exercises (and is physically fit) yet loads
their system down with garbage will, in my opinion, be far less healthy than
a person who consumes the aforementioned regimen I mentioned yet doesn't
(exercise). I have no real interest in arguing for or against exercise
though, other than maintaining the position that it's completely possible to
be healthy and thin without exercise. If you have no interest in that goal
then this regimen isn't for you and that's fine. However, there are others,
like myself though, who enjoy being thin and healthy without (any real)
effort on their part..

> Another one who miss the point that a lot of us in here have loss the
> wait and are maintaining..

No one has missed that point, but if you're happy with your current regimen,
why bother responding to this one? It's a bit like owning a car you really
like and taking the time to stop by a dealership that sells a different make
to tell them you don't really care for their brand. If what you're doing
works for you, great! Stick with it. Weight loss certainly isn't one size
fits all, and I'd never suggest it is. I hope you're not either.

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

"Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:rIl7h.54009$[email protected] ..
> No one has missed that point, but if you're happy with your current
> regimen, why bother responding to this one?

Because it's stupid, and we don't like the idea of well-intentioned but
uninformed newbies trying stupid stuff like this, so we want to voice the
collective wisdom of the group to the effect that your idea is a really bad
one.

Actually, I do have a friend who lost weight on a fruit diet a few years
ago. He gained it all back as soon as he started eating a balanced diet
again. This guy is a classic yo-yo dieter. Tries stuff like all-fruit
diets and never actually learns anything about nutrition. So he always
gains it all back after he stops starving himself on the diet-du-jour, and
then he gains back MORE.

A fruit and veggie diet is going to be low on EFAs, proteins, various
vitamins. For starters.

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

"Edna Pearl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:Q8m7h.9607$[email protected]..
> "Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:rIl7h.54009$[email protected] ..
>> No one has missed that point, but if you're happy with your current
>> regimen, why bother responding to this one?
>
> Because it's stupid, and we don't like the idea of well-intentioned but
> uninformed newbies trying stupid stuff like this, so we want to voice the
> collective wisdom of the group to the effect that your idea is a really
> bad one.

I'm certainly not uninformed nor am I a newbie in terms of health related
regimens such as this.
> Actually, I do have a friend who lost weight on a fruit diet a few years
> ago. He gained it all back as soon as he started eating a balanced diet
> again. This guy is a classic yo-yo dieter. Tries stuff like all-fruit
> diets and never actually learns anything about nutrition. So he always
> gains it all back after he stops starving himself on the diet-du-jour, and
> then he gains back MORE.

Who said anything about an *all-fruit* diet?
> A fruit and veggie diet is going to be low on EFAs, proteins, various
> vitamins. For starters.

This very much depends on *which* vegetation you're consuming. Bean sprouts
are loaded with protein, and I'd be interested in your elaboration on which
vitamins you feel would fall to deficiency on the regimen I'm referencing.
For the record, one tablespoon of flaxseed oil can provide adequate Omega-3
and Omega-6 supplementation, which I would also recommend on an all
fruit/vegetable regimen.

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

"Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:rIl7h.54009$[email protected] ..
*Snip*
>>>
>> Don't have much details on your "diet" but it seems to me that it's very
>> limited, boring, and not all that nutritious...
>
> Boring, perhaps. Limited, perhaps. Not nutritious? Hold it... compared to?

Compared to a diet with a balance between fruits and vegetables, proteins,
whole grains, dairy products, legumes...
As I said, you didn't elaborate, I'm just going from what you said..
>
>> As Chris has said, I'm happy that I have lost the weight (over 70 lbs)
>> and maintained the loss, while eating a much more varied and complete
>> array of foods.
>
> No one is saying this regimen has an exclusive choke hold on weight loss,
> but I can practically guarantee it will work for nearly everyone.

You know that Hollywood juice diet? It actually works.. if you follow it,
you WILL lose weight... doesn't mean it's maintainable, or healthy... but it
works..
>
>> I do, exercise, which means I'm a thin healthy person, as opposed to all
>> those skinny persons I know who wouldn't be able to walk a mile..
>
> Most of these people can't walk a mile, not because they don't necessarily
> exercise, but because they're loading their system down with fuel that
> doesn't nourish the engine.

Exactly, like ating fruits and veggies, very little protein, and nothing
really substantial.. most of them (around me that is) are "dieting"
continually, and yeah they are skinnier than me.. they wouldn't be able to
follow me for more than 5 minutes though.
> I'm certainly not against exercise in any capacity, but the regimen I'm
> espousing is _very_ healthy for the participant and doesn't require
> exercise in order to work. There are many diets out there that will help a
> person lose weight, however a vast majority of them are unhealthy gimmicks
> aren't suitable for longterm use.

Losing weight IS simple, eat less move more.. eat less doesn't mean eat less
variety of foods, but less quantity of foods.
>
>> Fit is a heck of a lot more healthy than thin...
>
> Again, I have nothing against exercise, although I would take issue with
> this statement. A person who exercises (and is physically fit) yet loads
> their system down with garbage will, in my opinion, be far less healthy
> than a person who consumes the aforementioned regimen I mentioned yet
> doesn't (exercise). I have no real interest in arguing for or against
> exercise though, other than maintaining the position that it's completely
> possible to be healthy and thin without exercise. If you have no interest
> in that goal then this regimen isn't for you and that's fine. However,
> there are others, like myself though, who enjoy being thin and healthy
> without (any real) effort on their part..

and tons and tons of others... it doesn't mean you've got to work out 2
hours a day... it just means that if you wanna be healthy.. you've gotta
find "some way" to move..
>
>
>> Another one who miss the point that a lot of us in here have loss the
>> wait and are maintaining..
>
> No one has missed that point, but if you're happy with your current
> regimen, why bother responding to this one?

Because it's another of those "you guys just don't get it" type of post,
which spins a fairy tale unsupported in any way by... well anything..
> It's a bit like owning a car you really like and taking the time to stop
> by a dealership that sells a different make to tell them you don't really
> care for their brand. If what you're doing works for you, great! Stick
> with it. Weight loss certainly isn't one size fits all, and I'd never
> suggest it is. I hope you're not either.
>

If you don't want opposition, don't post in a public forum. Hope you don't
think that you're the first one to come in posting "Well just eat more
fruits and vegetables!!!" type post..

It's not one size fits all certainly.. but guess what.... there's no fail
prove "if you do this it is SURE to work" either.. read your own subject
line...
Will~

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

Okay, now you're actually starting to make some sense. If you're including
*legumes* with your fruits and vegetables, and *whole grains*, and
*supplements* including EFAs, then you're starting to sound like a healthy
"vegetarian" diet. Which can be fine, for lots of people. It's also a far
cry from where you started this thread, when you said "fruits and vegetables
exclusively." That, IMNSHO, is an overly simplistic description of what it
takes to eat a healthy vegetarian diet, especially for newcomers here who
might not know a lot about nutrition, who may be looking for a magic fix to
a lifetime of health and weight issues, and who may be thinking, "Ah, maybe
a week eating nothing but canned peaches and iceberg lettuce for six week
will work!" And a diet that limited is a bad idea. Of course.

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

Great post, Willow.

My money says this is either a troll or a spammer. Or just an exceedingly
dim person.

ep

"Willow Herself" <[email protected]> wrote in
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>
> "Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:rIl7h.54009$[email protected] ..
> *Snip*
>>>>
>>> Don't have much details on your "diet" but it seems to me that it's very
>>> limited, boring, and not all that nutritious...
>>
>> Boring, perhaps. Limited, perhaps. Not nutritious? Hold it... compared
>> to?
>
> Compared to a diet with a balance between fruits and vegetables, proteins,
> whole grains, dairy products, legumes...
> As I said, you didn't elaborate, I'm just going from what you said..
>
>>
>>> As Chris has said, I'm happy that I have lost the weight (over 70 lbs)
>>> and maintained the loss, while eating a much more varied and complete
>>> array of foods.
>>
>> No one is saying this regimen has an exclusive choke hold on weight loss,
>> but I can practically guarantee it will work for nearly everyone.
>
> You know that Hollywood juice diet? It actually works.. if you follow it,
> you WILL lose weight... doesn't mean it's maintainable, or healthy... but
> it works..
>
>>
>>> I do, exercise, which means I'm a thin healthy person, as opposed to all
>>> those skinny persons I know who wouldn't be able to walk a mile..
>>
>> Most of these people can't walk a mile, not because they don't
>> necessarily exercise, but because they're loading their system down with
>> fuel that doesn't nourish the engine.
>
> Exactly, like ating fruits and veggies, very little protein, and nothing
> really substantial.. most of them (around me that is) are "dieting"
> continually, and yeah they are skinnier than me.. they wouldn't be able to
> follow me for more than 5 minutes though.
>
>> I'm certainly not against exercise in any capacity, but the regimen I'm
>> espousing is _very_ healthy for the participant and doesn't require
>> exercise in order to work. There are many diets out there that will help
>> a person lose weight, however a vast majority of them are unhealthy
>> gimmicks aren't suitable for longterm use.
>
> Losing weight IS simple, eat less move more.. eat less doesn't mean eat
> less variety of foods, but less quantity of foods.
>
>>
>>> Fit is a heck of a lot more healthy than thin...
>>
>> Again, I have nothing against exercise, although I would take issue with
>> this statement. A person who exercises (and is physically fit) yet loads
>> their system down with garbage will, in my opinion, be far less healthy
>> than a person who consumes the aforementioned regimen I mentioned yet
>> doesn't (exercise). I have no real interest in arguing for or against
>> exercise though, other than maintaining the position that it's completely
>> possible to be healthy and thin without exercise. If you have no interest
>> in that goal then this regimen isn't for you and that's fine. However,
>> there are others, like myself though, who enjoy being thin and healthy
>> without (any real) effort on their part..
>
> You can read this article:
> http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...at-and-fit.htm
>
> Or this one:
>
> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medi...hp?newsid=8237
>
> or this one:
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Sep13.html
>
> and tons and tons of others... it doesn't mean you've got to work out 2
> hours a day... it just means that if you wanna be healthy.. you've gotta
> find "some way" to move..
>
>>
>>
>>> Another one who miss the point that a lot of us in here have loss the
>>> wait and are maintaining..
>>
>> No one has missed that point, but if you're happy with your current
>> regimen, why bother responding to this one?
>
> Because it's another of those "you guys just don't get it" type of post,
> which spins a fairy tale unsupported in any way by... well anything..
>
>> It's a bit like owning a car you really like and taking the time to stop
>> by a dealership that sells a different make to tell them you don't really
>> care for their brand. If what you're doing works for you, great! Stick
>> with it. Weight loss certainly isn't one size fits all, and I'd never
>> suggest it is. I hope you're not either.
>>
>
> If you don't want opposition, don't post in a public forum. Hope you don't
> think that you're the first one to come in posting "Well just eat more
> fruits and vegetables!!!" type post..
>
> It's not one size fits all certainly.. but guess what.... there's no fail
> prove "if you do this it is SURE to work" either.. read your own subject
> line...
> Will~
>

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

Scott Smith wrote:
> I don't understand what's so difficult about losing weight. Have any of you
> tried just eating with fruits and vegetables exclusively? Fiber will go
> right through you, so if you eat fruits and vegetables exclusively (well,
> with a piece of chicken or beef every other day for protein) it's
> practically like you're eating nothing at all. In fact, I've found I lose
> too much weight if I don't supplement it with a few slices of bread every
> other day.
>
> How many of you have tried, or are willing to try, this? It works (almost
> too well for me) and it's the simplest thing you'll ever do to lose weight.

That would certainly work. The human body can function well on a
variety of diets, including vegetarian only, high-fat, low-fat, low
carb, etc, so long as you count the calories. People argue about the
healthiest kind of diet, and the one you suggest sounds healthy
depending on your choice of vegetables and fruits certainly. You could
even skip the chicken. I do. I also eat grain products and get
additional protein from egg whites and nonfat milk, but the high fiber
idea is valid. High fiber and high water along with low fat is the way
I went when I lost my 85 pounds...along with moderate exercise, and a
vegetarian diet. dkw

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

It always amazes me to see people show up, make a limited statement, and
then act all traumatized when they meet opposition...

What do they expect?

"Yesh mashter... You are so right mashter... "

Sheesh
Will~

"Edna Pearl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:jVm7h.542$[email protected]..
> Great post, Willow.
>
> My money says this is either a troll or a spammer. Or just an exceedingly
> dim person.
>
> ep
>
>
> "Willow Herself" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:dPm7h.6663$[email protected] ...
>>
>> "Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:rIl7h.54009$[email protected] ..
>> *Snip*
>>>>>
>>>> Don't have much details on your "diet" but it seems to me that it's
>>>> very limited, boring, and not all that nutritious...
>>>
>>> Boring, perhaps. Limited, perhaps. Not nutritious? Hold it... compared
>>> to?
>>
>> Compared to a diet with a balance between fruits and vegetables,
>> proteins, whole grains, dairy products, legumes...
>> As I said, you didn't elaborate, I'm just going from what you said..
>>
>>>
>>>> As Chris has said, I'm happy that I have lost the weight (over 70 lbs)
>>>> and maintained the loss, while eating a much more varied and complete
>>>> array of foods.
>>>
>>> No one is saying this regimen has an exclusive choke hold on weight
>>> loss, but I can practically guarantee it will work for nearly everyone.
>>
>> You know that Hollywood juice diet? It actually works.. if you follow it,
>> you WILL lose weight... doesn't mean it's maintainable, or healthy... but
>> it works..
>>
>>>
>>>> I do, exercise, which means I'm a thin healthy person, as opposed to
>>>> all those skinny persons I know who wouldn't be able to walk a mile..
>>>
>>> Most of these people can't walk a mile, not because they don't
>>> necessarily exercise, but because they're loading their system down with
>>> fuel that doesn't nourish the engine.
>>
>> Exactly, like ating fruits and veggies, very little protein, and nothing
>> really substantial.. most of them (around me that is) are "dieting"
>> continually, and yeah they are skinnier than me.. they wouldn't be able
>> to follow me for more than 5 minutes though.
>>
>>> I'm certainly not against exercise in any capacity, but the regimen I'm
>>> espousing is _very_ healthy for the participant and doesn't require
>>> exercise in order to work. There are many diets out there that will help
>>> a person lose weight, however a vast majority of them are unhealthy
>>> gimmicks aren't suitable for longterm use.
>>
>> Losing weight IS simple, eat less move more.. eat less doesn't mean eat
>> less variety of foods, but less quantity of foods.
>>
>>>
>>>> Fit is a heck of a lot more healthy than thin...
>>>
>>> Again, I have nothing against exercise, although I would take issue with
>>> this statement. A person who exercises (and is physically fit) yet loads
>>> their system down with garbage will, in my opinion, be far less healthy
>>> than a person who consumes the aforementioned regimen I mentioned yet
>>> doesn't (exercise). I have no real interest in arguing for or against
>>> exercise though, other than maintaining the position that it's
>>> completely possible to be healthy and thin without exercise. If you have
>>> no interest in that goal then this regimen isn't for you and that's
>>> fine. However, there are others, like myself though, who enjoy being
>>> thin and healthy without (any real) effort on their part..
>>
>> You can read this article:
>> http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...at-and-fit.htm
>>
>> Or this one:
>>
>> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medi...hp?newsid=8237
>>
>> or this one:
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Sep13.html
>>
>> and tons and tons of others... it doesn't mean you've got to work out 2
>> hours a day... it just means that if you wanna be healthy.. you've gotta
>> find "some way" to move..
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Another one who miss the point that a lot of us in here have loss the
>>>> wait and are maintaining..
>>>
>>> No one has missed that point, but if you're happy with your current
>>> regimen, why bother responding to this one?
>>
>> Because it's another of those "you guys just don't get it" type of post,
>> which spins a fairy tale unsupported in any way by... well anything..
>>
>>> It's a bit like owning a car you really like and taking the time to stop
>>> by a dealership that sells a different make to tell them you don't
>>> really care for their brand. If what you're doing works for you, great!
>>> Stick with it. Weight loss certainly isn't one size fits all, and I'd
>>> never suggest it is. I hope you're not either.
>>>
>>
>> If you don't want opposition, don't post in a public forum. Hope you
>> don't think that you're the first one to come in posting "Well just eat
>> more fruits and vegetables!!!" type post..
>>
>> It's not one size fits all certainly.. but guess what.... there's no fail
>> prove "if you do this it is SURE to work" either.. read your own subject
>> line...
>> Will~
>>
>
>

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

"Willow Herself" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:dPm7h.6663$[email protected] ...
>
> "Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:rIl7h.54009$[email protected] ..
> *Snip*
>>>>
>>> Don't have much details on your "diet" but it seems to me that it's very
>>> limited, boring, and not all that nutritious...
>>
>> Boring, perhaps. Limited, perhaps. Not nutritious? Hold it... compared
>> to?
>
> Compared to a diet with a balance between fruits and vegetables, proteins,
> whole grains, dairy products, legumes...
> As I said, you didn't elaborate, I'm just going from what you said..

I consider dairy products anathema. Legumes are always a good idea(protein),
of course. Whole grains are optional, in my opinion. In addition, wheatgrass
juice (and vegetable juices in general) is a terrific idea.
>>> As Chris has said, I'm happy that I have lost the weight (over 70 lbs)
>>> and maintained the loss, while eating a much more varied and complete
>>> array of foods.
>>
>> No one is saying this regimen has an exclusive choke hold on weight loss,
>> but I can practically guarantee it will work for nearly everyone.
>
> You know that Hollywood juice diet? It actually works.. if you follow it,
> you WILL lose weight... doesn't mean it's maintainable, or healthy... but
> it works..

As I'd mentioned in an earlier post, there are plenty of gimmicks out there
that will certainly "work" but aren't sustainable nor healthy. Cocaine will
certainly work for weight loss too, but there's no question it's not only
unhealthy but dangerous. The ideal is to shoot for something healthy,
sustainable and practically guaranteed to work. How many regimens can you
think of that fit that criteria?
>>
>>> I do, exercise, which means I'm a thin healthy person, as opposed to all
>>> those skinny persons I know who wouldn't be able to walk a mile..
>>
>> Most of these people can't walk a mile, not because they don't
>> necessarily exercise, but because they're loading their system down with
>> fuel that doesn't nourish the engine.
>
> Exactly, like ating fruits and veggies, very little protein

No one said anything about very little protein. I specified that if a person
needs to increase their protein intake, eating up to (and possibly more)
than two pieces of meat won't jeopardize this particular regimen.
> and nothing really substantial.. most of them (around me that is) are
> "dieting" continually, and yeah they are skinnier than me.. they wouldn't
> be able to follow me for more than 5 minutes though.

Well, without having examined their diet, it's difficult to ascertain the
delimma.
>> I'm certainly not against exercise in any capacity, but the regimen I'm
>> espousing is _very_ healthy for the participant and doesn't require
>> exercise in order to work. There are many diets out there that will help
>> a person lose weight, however a vast majority of them are unhealthy
>> gimmicks aren't suitable for longterm use.
>
> Losing weight IS simple, eat less move more.. eat less doesn't mean eat
> less variety of foods, but less quantity of foods.

That's the difference. The regimen I'm espousing, a person doesn't have to
eat less to continue losing. Nor is exercise required.
>
>>> Fit is a heck of a lot more healthy than thin...
>>
>> Again, I have nothing against exercise, although I would take issue with
>> this statement. A person who exercises (and is physically fit) yet loads
>> their system down with garbage will, in my opinion, be far less healthy
>> than a person who consumes the aforementioned regimen I mentioned yet
>> doesn't (exercise). I have no real interest in arguing for or against
>> exercise though, other than maintaining the position that it's completely
>> possible to be healthy and thin without exercise. If you have no interest
>> in that goal then this regimen isn't for you and that's fine. However,
>> there are others, like myself though, who enjoy being thin and healthy
>> without (any real) effort on their part..
>
> You can read this article:
> http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...at-and-fit.htm

The conclusion of this article: "Obese people who exercise have half the
death rate of those who are trim but don't exercise, a leading expert said
Tuesday."

This article basically emphasizes the idea that exercise without proper diet
and proper diet without exercise is a toss-up of sorts(based on the two
studies which were pointed out initially).
> and tons and tons of others... it doesn't mean you've got to work out 2
> hours a day... it just means that if you wanna be healthy.. you've gotta
> find "some way" to move..

Not true, as the article above implies. Working out will not make you
healthy, necessarily. It can make you fit, which is correlated with health,
but exercise alone does not make one healthy, in my opinion. If such a
premise were true, one could simply work out and consume whatever they like.
>>
>>
>>> Another one who miss the point that a lot of us in here have loss the
>>> wait and are maintaining..
>>
>> No one has missed that point, but if you're happy with your current
>> regimen, why bother responding to this one?
>
> Because it's another of those "you guys just don't get it" type of post,
> which spins a fairy tale unsupported in any way by... well anything..

On the contrary, although I'm not vegan, there's plenty of evidence which
shows a vegan diet, for instance, is completely healthy, provided the diet
is supplemented with B12 and EFA's(flaxseed works). You may want to perusewww.veganmd.com for more details.
>> It's a bit like owning a car you really like and taking the time to stop
>> by a dealership that sells a different make to tell them you don't really
>> care for their brand. If what you're doing works for you, great! Stick
>> with it. Weight loss certainly isn't one size fits all, and I'd never
>> suggest it is. I hope you're not either.
>>
>
> If you don't want opposition, don't post in a public forum.

No one said anything about feeling as though others shouldn't oppose such a
regimen. However, I don't see the point in opposing someone else's regimen
if you've found something that already works 'for you'. I defer to my
previous analogy.
> Hope you don't think that you're the first one to come in posting "Well
> just eat more fruits and vegetables!!!" type post..

Probably no more than you'd be the first to suggest exercising to maintain
fitness. Neither is bad, but if you're happy just exercising, I'm certainly
not going to post in your thread stating how ineffective I think it when
lacking what I consider a proper nutritional component. If your method works
for you (and others), fine. Likewise, if the aforementioned method works for
me(and others), what's the problem? You do what works for you. I'm just
trying to give others an alternative that some might find more suitable and
that is known to work very, very effectively.
> It's not one size fits all certainly.. but guess what.... there's no fail
> prove "if you do this it is SURE to work" either.. read your own subject
> line...
> Will~

I don't believe it's one size fits all, however you're misconstruing the
comment. To clarify, while the regimen will work for nearly everyone, there
are some who would rather opt for an alternate sure-fire method because they
may feel the lack of variety offered in eating fruits and vegetables is
simply too unpalatable for them. For others, like myself, they find it quite
palatable and have no problem maintaining such a regimen.

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

"Edna Pearl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:jVm7h.542$[email protected]..
> Great post, Willow.
>
> My money says this is either a troll or a spammer. Or just an exceedingly
> dim person.

I'm neither a troll, spammer or a dim person. No more than you or anyone is
that's responding to my post. I certainly don't label others here as such
simply because I strongly disagree with their viewpoints. I'm certainly not
demanding respect by any stretch, but I do find your quick assumption highly
disrespectful nonetheless.
>
> "Willow Herself" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:dPm7h.6663$[email protected] ...
>>
>> "Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:rIl7h.54009$[email protected] ..
>> *Snip*
>>>>>
>>>> Don't have much details on your "diet" but it seems to me that it's
>>>> very limited, boring, and not all that nutritious...
>>>
>>> Boring, perhaps. Limited, perhaps. Not nutritious? Hold it... compared
>>> to?
>>
>> Compared to a diet with a balance between fruits and vegetables,
>> proteins, whole grains, dairy products, legumes...
>> As I said, you didn't elaborate, I'm just going from what you said..
>>
>>>
>>>> As Chris has said, I'm happy that I have lost the weight (over 70 lbs)
>>>> and maintained the loss, while eating a much more varied and complete
>>>> array of foods.
>>>
>>> No one is saying this regimen has an exclusive choke hold on weight
>>> loss, but I can practically guarantee it will work for nearly everyone.
>>
>> You know that Hollywood juice diet? It actually works.. if you follow it,
>> you WILL lose weight... doesn't mean it's maintainable, or healthy... but
>> it works..
>>
>>>
>>>> I do, exercise, which means I'm a thin healthy person, as opposed to
>>>> all those skinny persons I know who wouldn't be able to walk a mile..
>>>
>>> Most of these people can't walk a mile, not because they don't
>>> necessarily exercise, but because they're loading their system down with
>>> fuel that doesn't nourish the engine.
>>
>> Exactly, like ating fruits and veggies, very little protein, and nothing
>> really substantial.. most of them (around me that is) are "dieting"
>> continually, and yeah they are skinnier than me.. they wouldn't be able
>> to follow me for more than 5 minutes though.
>>
>>> I'm certainly not against exercise in any capacity, but the regimen I'm
>>> espousing is _very_ healthy for the participant and doesn't require
>>> exercise in order to work. There are many diets out there that will help
>>> a person lose weight, however a vast majority of them are unhealthy
>>> gimmicks aren't suitable for longterm use.
>>
>> Losing weight IS simple, eat less move more.. eat less doesn't mean eat
>> less variety of foods, but less quantity of foods.
>>
>>>
>>>> Fit is a heck of a lot more healthy than thin...
>>>
>>> Again, I have nothing against exercise, although I would take issue with
>>> this statement. A person who exercises (and is physically fit) yet loads
>>> their system down with garbage will, in my opinion, be far less healthy
>>> than a person who consumes the aforementioned regimen I mentioned yet
>>> doesn't (exercise). I have no real interest in arguing for or against
>>> exercise though, other than maintaining the position that it's
>>> completely possible to be healthy and thin without exercise. If you have
>>> no interest in that goal then this regimen isn't for you and that's
>>> fine. However, there are others, like myself though, who enjoy being
>>> thin and healthy without (any real) effort on their part..
>>
>> You can read this article:
>> http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...at-and-fit.htm
>>
>> Or this one:
>>
>> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medi...hp?newsid=8237
>>
>> or this one:
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Sep13.html
>>
>> and tons and tons of others... it doesn't mean you've got to work out 2
>> hours a day... it just means that if you wanna be healthy.. you've gotta
>> find "some way" to move..
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Another one who miss the point that a lot of us in here have loss the
>>>> wait and are maintaining..
>>>
>>> No one has missed that point, but if you're happy with your current
>>> regimen, why bother responding to this one?
>>
>> Because it's another of those "you guys just don't get it" type of post,
>> which spins a fairy tale unsupported in any way by... well anything..
>>
>>> It's a bit like owning a car you really like and taking the time to stop
>>> by a dealership that sells a different make to tell them you don't
>>> really care for their brand. If what you're doing works for you, great!
>>> Stick with it. Weight loss certainly isn't one size fits all, and I'd
>>> never suggest it is. I hope you're not either.
>>>
>>
>> If you don't want opposition, don't post in a public forum. Hope you
>> don't think that you're the first one to come in posting "Well just eat
>> more fruits and vegetables!!!" type post..
>>
>> It's not one size fits all certainly.. but guess what.... there's no fail
>> prove "if you do this it is SURE to work" either.. read your own subject
>> line...
>> Will~
>>
>
>

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

"Willow Herself" <[email protected]> wrote in
message news:Okn7h.6672$[email protected] ...
> It always amazes me to see people show up, make a limited statement, and
> then act all traumatized when they meet opposition...
>
> What do they expect?

I'm not traumatized, but it likewise amazes me that others are so quick to
respond to issues that they've apparently resolved themselves.

> "Yesh mashter... You are so right mashter... "
>
> Sheesh
> Will~
>
> "Edna Pearl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:jVm7h.542$[email protected]..
>> Great post, Willow.
>>
>> My money says this is either a troll or a spammer. Or just an
>> exceedingly dim person.
>>
>> ep
>>
>>
>> "Willow Herself" <[email protected]> wrote in
>> message news:dPm7h.6663$[email protected] ...
>>>
>>> "Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>> news:rIl7h.54009$[email protected] ..
>>> *Snip*
>>>>>>
>>>>> Don't have much details on your "diet" but it seems to me that it's
>>>>> very limited, boring, and not all that nutritious...
>>>>
>>>> Boring, perhaps. Limited, perhaps. Not nutritious? Hold it... compared
>>>> to?
>>>
>>> Compared to a diet with a balance between fruits and vegetables,
>>> proteins, whole grains, dairy products, legumes...
>>> As I said, you didn't elaborate, I'm just going from what you said..
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> As Chris has said, I'm happy that I have lost the weight (over 70 lbs)
>>>>> and maintained the loss, while eating a much more varied and complete
>>>>> array of foods.
>>>>
>>>> No one is saying this regimen has an exclusive choke hold on weight
>>>> loss, but I can practically guarantee it will work for nearly everyone.
>>>
>>> You know that Hollywood juice diet? It actually works.. if you follow
>>> it, you WILL lose weight... doesn't mean it's maintainable, or
>>> healthy... but it works..
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I do, exercise, which means I'm a thin healthy person, as opposed to
>>>>> all those skinny persons I know who wouldn't be able to walk a mile..
>>>>
>>>> Most of these people can't walk a mile, not because they don't
>>>> necessarily exercise, but because they're loading their system down
>>>> with fuel that doesn't nourish the engine.
>>>
>>> Exactly, like ating fruits and veggies, very little protein, and nothing
>>> really substantial.. most of them (around me that is) are "dieting"
>>> continually, and yeah they are skinnier than me.. they wouldn't be able
>>> to follow me for more than 5 minutes though.
>>>
>>>> I'm certainly not against exercise in any capacity, but the regimen I'm
>>>> espousing is _very_ healthy for the participant and doesn't require
>>>> exercise in order to work. There are many diets out there that will
>>>> help a person lose weight, however a vast majority of them are
>>>> unhealthy gimmicks aren't suitable for longterm use.
>>>
>>> Losing weight IS simple, eat less move more.. eat less doesn't mean eat
>>> less variety of foods, but less quantity of foods.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Fit is a heck of a lot more healthy than thin...
>>>>
>>>> Again, I have nothing against exercise, although I would take issue
>>>> with this statement. A person who exercises (and is physically fit) yet
>>>> loads their system down with garbage will, in my opinion, be far less
>>>> healthy than a person who consumes the aforementioned regimen I
>>>> mentioned yet doesn't (exercise). I have no real interest in arguing
>>>> for or against exercise though, other than maintaining the position
>>>> that it's completely possible to be healthy and thin without exercise.
>>>> If you have no interest in that goal then this regimen isn't for you
>>>> and that's fine. However, there are others, like myself though, who
>>>> enjoy being thin and healthy without (any real) effort on their part..
>>>
>>> You can read this article:
>>> http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...at-and-fit.htm
>>>
>>> Or this one:
>>>
>>> http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medi...hp?newsid=8237
>>>
>>> or this one:
>>>
>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Sep13.html
>>>
>>> and tons and tons of others... it doesn't mean you've got to work out 2
>>> hours a day... it just means that if you wanna be healthy.. you've gotta
>>> find "some way" to move..
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Another one who miss the point that a lot of us in here have loss the
>>>>> wait and are maintaining..
>>>>
>>>> No one has missed that point, but if you're happy with your current
>>>> regimen, why bother responding to this one?
>>>
>>> Because it's another of those "you guys just don't get it" type of post,
>>> which spins a fairy tale unsupported in any way by... well anything..
>>>
>>>> It's a bit like owning a car you really like and taking the time to
>>>> stop by a dealership that sells a different make to tell them you don't
>>>> really care for their brand. If what you're doing works for you, great!
>>>> Stick with it. Weight loss certainly isn't one size fits all, and I'd
>>>> never suggest it is. I hope you're not either.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you don't want opposition, don't post in a public forum. Hope you
>>> don't think that you're the first one to come in posting "Well just eat
>>> more fruits and vegetables!!!" type post..
>>>
>>> It's not one size fits all certainly.. but guess what.... there's no
>>> fail prove "if you do this it is SURE to work" either.. read your own
>>> subject line...
>>> Will~
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

<[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected] ups.com...
>
> Scott Smith wrote:
>> I don't understand what's so difficult about losing weight. Have any of
>> you
>> tried just eating with fruits and vegetables exclusively? Fiber will go
>> right through you, so if you eat fruits and vegetables exclusively (well,
>> with a piece of chicken or beef every other day for protein) it's
>> practically like you're eating nothing at all. In fact, I've found I lose
>> too much weight if I don't supplement it with a few slices of bread every
>> other day.
>>
>> How many of you have tried, or are willing to try, this? It works (almost
>> too well for me) and it's the simplest thing you'll ever do to lose
>> weight.
>
> That would certainly work. The human body can function well on a
> variety of diets, including vegetarian only, high-fat, low-fat, low
> carb, etc, so long as you count the calories. People argue about the
> healthiest kind of diet, and the one you suggest sounds healthy
> depending on your choice of vegetables and fruits certainly. You could
> even skip the chicken. I do. I also eat grain products and get
> additional protein from egg whites and nonfat milk, but the high fiber
> idea is valid. High fiber and high water along with low fat is the way
> I went when I lost my 85 pounds...along with moderate exercise, and a
> vegetarian diet. dkw

Congratulations on losing such a high quantity of weight. I probably did
tend to oversimplify the regimen a bit by failing to mention the need for a
certain amount of protein and EFA supplementation, although I'm sure you'd
agree these are very easy to supplement. You also mentioned high water
consumption, which I'd wholeheartedly agree. Water isn't naturally
replenished, after all.

The main reason I consider this such a very successful regimen is because
fibre isn't digested, therefore it must pass through you. In my estimation,
it's virtually impossible not to lose weight by eating a diet primarily
composed of fibre via fruits and vegetables. The fact it's extremely healthy
is a definite plus.

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

"Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:SKn7h.432963$[email protected] m...
> I probably did tend to oversimplify the regimen a bit by failing to
> mention the need for a certain amount of protein and EFA supplementation,

Thank you. I would also submit that you also "tend[ed] to oversimplify the
regimen a bit" by calling it "simple" in your header.

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

"Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:NCn7h.347665$[email protected] ...
> I'm not traumatized, but it likewise amazes me that others are so quick to
> respond to issues that they've apparently resolved themselves.

Huh?

That was a rhetorical question. My point is that your statement of
"amazement" is unclear. To the extent I think I understand what you are
trying to say, it doesn't make sense. It is perfectly natural for a person
to be particularly "quick to respond" regarding an "issue" regarding which
they are well informed. And some of us are well informed about fat-loss,
strength-building, and nutrition -- apparently better-informed than you --
so we responded accordingly. And "quickly."

Look, you came in here all know-it-all, and we got annoyed. Maybe you can
learn something from that. Maybe not.

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

Scott Smith wrote:
> "Willow Herself" <[email protected]> wrote in
> message news:dPm7h.6663$[email protected] ...
>
>>"Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>>news:rIl7h.54009$[email protected] m...
>>*Snip*
>>
>>>>Don't have much details on your "diet" but it seems to me that it's very
>>>>limited, boring, and not all that nutritious...
>>>
>>>Boring, perhaps. Limited, perhaps. Not nutritious? Hold it... compared
>>>to?
>>
>>Compared to a diet with a balance between fruits and vegetables, proteins,
>>whole grains, dairy products, legumes...
>>As I said, you didn't elaborate, I'm just going from what you said..
>
>
> I consider dairy products anathema. Legumes are always a good idea(protein),
> of course. Whole grains are optional, in my opinion. In addition, wheatgrass
> juice (and vegetable juices in general) is a terrific idea.
>
>
>>>>As Chris has said, I'm happy that I have lost the weight (over 70 lbs)
>>>>and maintained the loss, while eating a much more varied and complete
>>>>array of foods.
>>>
>>>No one is saying this regimen has an exclusive choke hold on weight loss,
>>>but I can practically guarantee it will work for nearly everyone.
>>
>>You know that Hollywood juice diet? It actually works.. if you follow it,
>>you WILL lose weight... doesn't mean it's maintainable, or healthy... but
>>it works..
>
>
> As I'd mentioned in an earlier post, there are plenty of gimmicks out there
> that will certainly "work" but aren't sustainable nor healthy. Cocaine will
> certainly work for weight loss too, but there's no question it's not only
> unhealthy but dangerous. The ideal is to shoot for something healthy,
> sustainable and practically guaranteed to work. How many regimens can you
> think of that fit that criteria?
>
>
>>>>I do, exercise, which means I'm a thin healthy person, as opposed to all
>>>>those skinny persons I know who wouldn't be able to walk a mile..
>>>
>>>Most of these people can't walk a mile, not because they don't
>>>necessarily exercise, but because they're loading their system down with
>>>fuel that doesn't nourish the engine.
>>
>>Exactly, like ating fruits and veggies, very little protein
>
>
> No one said anything about very little protein. I specified that if a person
> needs to increase their protein intake, eating up to (and possibly more)
> than two pieces of meat won't jeopardize this particular regimen.
>
>
>>and nothing really substantial.. most of them (around me that is) are
>>"dieting" continually, and yeah they are skinnier than me.. they wouldn't
>>be able to follow me for more than 5 minutes though.
>
>
> Well, without having examined their diet, it's difficult to ascertain the
> delimma.
>
>
>>>I'm certainly not against exercise in any capacity, but the regimen I'm
>>>espousing is _very_ healthy for the participant and doesn't require
>>>exercise in order to work. There are many diets out there that will help
>>>a person lose weight, however a vast majority of them are unhealthy
>>>gimmicks aren't suitable for longterm use.
>>
>>Losing weight IS simple, eat less move more.. eat less doesn't mean eat
>>less variety of foods, but less quantity of foods.
>
>
> That's the difference. The regimen I'm espousing, a person doesn't have to
> eat less to continue losing. Nor is exercise required.
>
>
>>>>Fit is a heck of a lot more healthy than thin...
>>>
>>>Again, I have nothing against exercise, although I would take issue with
>>>this statement. A person who exercises (and is physically fit) yet loads
>>>their system down with garbage will, in my opinion, be far less healthy
>>>than a person who consumes the aforementioned regimen I mentioned yet
>>>doesn't (exercise). I have no real interest in arguing for or against
>>>exercise though, other than maintaining the position that it's completely
>>>possible to be healthy and thin without exercise. If you have no interest
>>>in that goal then this regimen isn't for you and that's fine. However,
>>>there are others, like myself though, who enjoy being thin and healthy
>>>without (any real) effort on their part..
>>
>>You can read this article:
>>http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...at-and-fit.htm
>
>
> The conclusion of this article: "Obese people who exercise have half the
> death rate of those who are trim but don't exercise, a leading expert said
> Tuesday."
>
> The unanswered question is, how many study participants that did not
> exercise actually maintained a highly nutritional regimen?
>
>
>>Or this one:
>>
>>http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medi...hp?newsid=8237
>
>
> Again, the same premise as above.
>
>
>>or this one:
>>
>>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Sep13.html
>
>
> This article basically emphasizes the idea that exercise without proper diet
> and proper diet without exercise is a toss-up of sorts(based on the two
> studies which were pointed out initially).
>
>
>>and tons and tons of others... it doesn't mean you've got to work out 2
>>hours a day... it just means that if you wanna be healthy.. you've gotta
>>find "some way" to move..
>
>
> Not true, as the article above implies. Working out will not make you
> healthy, necessarily. It can make you fit, which is correlated with health,
> but exercise alone does not make one healthy, in my opinion. If such a
> premise were true, one could simply work out and consume whatever they like.
>
>
>>>
>>>>Another one who miss the point that a lot of us in here have loss the
>>>>wait and are maintaining..
>>>
>>>No one has missed that point, but if you're happy with your current
>>>regimen, why bother responding to this one?
>>
>>Because it's another of those "you guys just don't get it" type of post,
>>which spins a fairy tale unsupported in any way by... well anything..
>
>
> On the contrary, although I'm not vegan, there's plenty of evidence which
> shows a vegan diet, for instance, is completely healthy, provided the diet
> is supplemented with B12 and EFA's(flaxseed works). You may want to peruse
> www.veganmd.com for more details.
>
>
>>>It's a bit like owning a car you really like and taking the time to stop
>>>by a dealership that sells a different make to tell them you don't really
>>>care for their brand. If what you're doing works for you, great! Stick
>>>with it. Weight loss certainly isn't one size fits all, and I'd never
>>>suggest it is. I hope you're not either.
>>>
>>
>>If you don't want opposition, don't post in a public forum.
>
>
> No one said anything about feeling as though others shouldn't oppose such a
> regimen. However, I don't see the point in opposing someone else's regimen
> if you've found something that already works 'for you'. I defer to my
> previous analogy.
>
>
>>Hope you don't think that you're the first one to come in posting "Well
>>just eat more fruits and vegetables!!!" type post..
>
>
> Probably no more than you'd be the first to suggest exercising to maintain
> fitness. Neither is bad, but if you're happy just exercising, I'm certainly
> not going to post in your thread stating how ineffective I think it when
> lacking what I consider a proper nutritional component. If your method works
> for you (and others), fine. Likewise, if the aforementioned method works for
> me(and others), what's the problem? You do what works for you. I'm just
> trying to give others an alternative that some might find more suitable and
> that is known to work very, very effectively.
>
>
>>It's not one size fits all certainly.. but guess what.... there's no fail
>>prove "if you do this it is SURE to work" either.. read your own subject
>>line...
>>Will~
>
>
> I don't believe it's one size fits all, however you're misconstruing the
> comment. To clarify, while the regimen will work for nearly everyone, there
> are some who would rather opt for an alternate sure-fire method because they
> may feel the lack of variety offered in eating fruits and vegetables is
> simply too unpalatable for them. For others, like myself, they find it quite
> palatable and have no problem maintaining such a regimen.
>
>
Actually there is evidence that flax oil is not a substitute for fish
oil in terms of health benefits.

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

"Del Cecchi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:[email protected]..
> Actually there is evidence that flax oil is not a substitute for fish oil
> in terms of health benefits.

Indeed? I have to say, that doesn't surprise me. So maybe I learned
something, and something good did come out of this thread :-)

I eat a four-ounce piece of salmon twice a week, in addition to using flax
seed oil as a butter-topping substitute. I'm so suspicious of our food
supply these days, though -- heaven only knows what we're getting in farmed
salmon. I've tried fish oil capsules before, but they give me indigestion.
I see "Udo's Choice" doesn't contain fish oil:http://www.udoerasmus.com/products/oil_blend.htm.

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

Edna Pearl wrote:
> "Del Cecchi" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:[email protected]..
>> Actually there is evidence that flax oil is not a substitute for fish oil
>> in terms of health benefits.
>
> Indeed? I have to say, that doesn't surprise me. So maybe I learned
> something, and something good did come out of this thread :-)
>
> I eat a four-ounce piece of salmon twice a week, in addition to using flax
> seed oil as a butter-topping substitute. I'm so suspicious of our food
> supply these days, though -- heaven only knows what we're getting in
farmed
> salmon. I've tried fish oil capsules before, but they give me
indigestion.
> I see "Udo's Choice" doesn't contain fish oil:
> http://www.udoerasmus.com/products/oil_blend.htm.
>
> ep

I haven't tired this but a friend suggested freezing the fish oil capsules
to prevent indigestion. She simply takes them frozen. Not sure how this
would prevent indigestion but it works for her.

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

> Look, you came in here all know-it-all, and we got annoyed. Maybe you can
> learn something from that. Maybe not.

Personally, I think you became annoyed that I didn't simply agree with your
opinion(s), and assumed I was a know-it-all. I consider myself as being
fairly tolerant and unvaunting here. I'm sure there are many who would
peruse these responses and be more than happy to give you every excuse to
disdain and censure them. I very much try to treat others with respect in my
posts, although perhaps I'm being unrealistic to expect the same in kind.

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

"Edna Pearl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:FTn7h.567$[email protected]..
> "Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:SKn7h.432963$[email protected] m...
>> I probably did tend to oversimplify the regimen a bit by failing to
>> mention the need for a certain amount of protein and EFA supplementation,
>
> Thank you. I would also submit that you also "tend[ed] to oversimplify
> the
> regimen a bit" by calling it "simple" in your header.

I believe you made this abundantly clear in an earlier posting:

"That, IMNSHO, is an overly simplistic description of what it takes to eat a
healthy vegetarian diet, especially for newcomers here who might not know a
lot about nutrition, who may be looking for a magic fix to a lifetime of
health and weight issues, and who may be thinking, "Ah, maybe a week eating
nothing but canned peaches and iceberg lettuce for six week will work!"

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

"Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:V8q7h.435691$[email protected] m...
>
> "Edna Pearl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:FTn7h.567$[email protected]..
>> "Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
>> news:SKn7h.432963$[email protected] m...
>>> I probably did tend to oversimplify the regimen a bit by failing to
>>> mention the need for a certain amount of protein and EFA
>>> supplementation,
>>
>> Thank you. I would also submit that you also "tend[ed] to oversimplify
>> the
>> regimen a bit" by calling it "simple" in your header.

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

"Scott Smith" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:V8q7h.435691$[email protected] m...
> "Edna Pearl" <[email protected]> wrote in message
> news:FTn7h.567$[email protected]..
>> Thank you. I would also submit that you also "tend[ed] to oversimplify
>> the
>> regimen a bit" by calling it "simple" in your header.
> I believe you made this abundantly clear in an earlier posting:

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

Scott Smith wrote:
> I don't understand what's so difficult about losing weight. Have any of you
> tried just eating with fruits and vegetables exclusively? Fiber will go
> right through you, so if you eat fruits and vegetables exclusively (well,
> with a piece of chicken or beef every other day for protein) it's
> practically like you're eating nothing at all. In fact, I've found I lose
> too much weight if I don't supplement it with a few slices of bread every
> other day.
>
> How many of you have tried, or are willing to try, this? It works (almost
> too well for me) and it's the simplest thing you'll ever do to lose weight.
>
>
What happens to this fruit and vegetable diet when you go out to a
restaurant, bring a dish to a party or host a party of your own?

*Strike one* You'll almost never be able to order an appetizer, entre
and dessert at a restaurant. Portion control allows a small sampling of
each.

*Strike two* If you bring a dish to a party you'll eat your fruit and
vegetable dish and not sample selections brought by others. Portion
control allows a small sampling of each expanding your own recipe list.

*Strike three* If you host the party your guest will have to eat your
fruit and vegetable diet since that's what you serve. Portion control
allows you to serve a wide variety of foods to your guests while you
consume a small portion of each.

Toss this one in the trash as another socially unacceptable fad diet
that will eventually fail. Keep up the portion control folks. It's
what works LONG TERM!
--

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

"Cheese" <[email protected]> wrote in message
news:frq7h.3163$[email protected]..
> Scott Smith wrote:
>> I don't understand what's so difficult about losing weight. Have any of
>> you tried just eating with fruits and vegetables exclusively? Fiber will
>> go right through you, so if you eat fruits and vegetables exclusively
>> (well, with a piece of chicken or beef every other day for protein) it's
>> practically like you're eating nothing at all. In fact, I've found I lose
>> too much weight if I don't supplement it with a few slices of bread every
>> other day.
>>
>> How many of you have tried, or are willing to try, this? It works (almost
>> too well for me) and it's the simplest thing you'll ever do to lose
>> weight.
> What happens to this fruit and vegetable diet when you go out to a
> restaurant, bring a dish to a party or host a party of your own?
> *Strike one* You'll almost never be able to order an appetizer, entre and
> dessert at a restaurant. Portion control allows a small sampling of each.

If you're experiencing success with portion control, I say more power to
you. Personally, I never order an appetizer or anything else from most
restaurants because their menu generally contains items I consider
unhealthy. I don't specifically use this regimen for weight control
necessarily, although it works very effectively for that purpose.
> *Strike two* If you bring a dish to a party you'll eat your fruit and
> vegetable dish and not sample selections brought by others.

While this may not set well with some people, it's perfectly fine by me.
> *Strike three* If you host the party your guest will have to eat your
> fruit and vegetable diet since that's what you serve.

Only if the host decides this is what they're going to serve. Who says the
person must serve fruits and vegetables just because that's what they're
committed to eating? Using your current regimen as an analogical basis, must
everyone at your party also exercise portion control just because you do?
> Toss this one in the trash as another socially unacceptable fad diet that
> will eventually fail. Keep up the portion control folks. It's what works
> LONG TERM!

It's certainly your prerogative to be concerned about what others might
think of your eating habits. It doesn't bother me in the least that some may
deem my commitment to eating healthy as "socially unacceptable". These are
likely people I would have little (to no) interest in developing any kind of
a relationship with anyway. However, I do respect your opinion.

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

Cheese wrote:
> Scott Smith wrote:
> > I don't understand what's so difficult about losing weight. Have any of you
> > tried just eating with fruits and vegetables exclusively? Fiber will go
> > right through you, so if you eat fruits and vegetables exclusively (well,
> > with a piece of chicken or beef every other day for protein) it's
> > practically like you're eating nothing at all. In fact, I've found I lose
> > too much weight if I don't supplement it with a few slices of bread every
> > other day.
> >
> > How many of you have tried, or are willing to try, this? It works (almost
> > too well for me) and it's the simplest thing you'll ever do to lose weight.
> >
> >
> What happens to this fruit and vegetable diet when you go out to a
> restaurant, bring a dish to a party or host a party of your own?
>
> *Strike one* You'll almost never be able to order an appetizer, entre
> and dessert at a restaurant. Portion control allows a small sampling of
> each.
>
> *Strike two* If you bring a dish to a party you'll eat your fruit and
> vegetable dish and not sample selections brought by others. Portion
> control allows a small sampling of each expanding your own recipe list.
>
> *Strike three* If you host the party your guest will have to eat your
> fruit and vegetable diet since that's what you serve. Portion control
> allows you to serve a wide variety of foods to your guests while you
> consume a small portion of each.
>
> Toss this one in the trash as another socially unacceptable fad diet
> that will eventually fail. Keep up the portion control folks. It's
> what works LONG TERM!
> --
>
> Cheese
>
> http://cheesensweets.com/contacts/cheese.php

Portion control does work...for some. For others it is obviously a
miserable failure because they simply cannot control their appetites.
It does make some sense to be able to eat MORE food which you can do on
a vegetarian diet. As for the social aspects, you are correct, but at
some point, obese people need to take control even if they have to
compromise and at some point you might need to forget what other people
think about your diet choices. I certainly did. I am having
Thanksgiving with a family that is very understanding. They will have
out veggies and fruit for me and they will eat their turkey. It really
isn't a big deal. I can see how it might create conflict for some
people. Some spouses are offended if they are good cooks and you aren't
interested in their hard work and skills. Thankfully, I do not have
that problem. There are lots of vegetarians out there who cooking and
fears of offending have already been addressed. Whenever I'm invited to
dinner, I just tell the host up front that I am vegetarian. It
certainly never hurt my career or social life..not yet anyway. If
someone is that intolerant, I probably don't want to work for them or
be engaged with them socially or romantically anyway. It's a good
screening test. dkw

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

[email protected] wrote:
> Cheese wrote:
>> Scott Smith wrote:
>>> I don't understand what's so difficult about losing weight. Have any of you
>>> tried just eating with fruits and vegetables exclusively? Fiber will go
>>> right through you, so if you eat fruits and vegetables exclusively (well,
>>> with a piece of chicken or beef every other day for protein) it's
>>> practically like you're eating nothing at all. In fact, I've found I lose
>>> too much weight if I don't supplement it with a few slices of bread every
>>> other day.
>>>
>>> How many of you have tried, or are willing to try, this? It works (almost
>>> too well for me) and it's the simplest thing you'll ever do to lose weight.
>>>
>>>
>> What happens to this fruit and vegetable diet when you go out to a
>> restaurant, bring a dish to a party or host a party of your own?
>>
>> *Strike one* You'll almost never be able to order an appetizer, entre
>> and dessert at a restaurant. Portion control allows a small sampling of
>> each.
>>
>> *Strike two* If you bring a dish to a party you'll eat your fruit and
>> vegetable dish and not sample selections brought by others. Portion
>> control allows a small sampling of each expanding your own recipe list.
>>
>> *Strike three* If you host the party your guest will have to eat your
>> fruit and vegetable diet since that's what you serve. Portion control
>> allows you to serve a wide variety of foods to your guests while you
>> consume a small portion of each.
>>
>> Toss this one in the trash as another socially unacceptable fad diet
>> that will eventually fail. Keep up the portion control folks. It's
>> what works LONG TERM!
>> --
>>
>> Cheese
>>
>> http://cheesensweets.com/contacts/cheese.php
>
> Portion control does work...for some. For others it is obviously a
> miserable failure because they simply cannot control their appetites.
> It does make some sense to be able to eat MORE food which you can do on
> a vegetarian diet. As for the social aspects, you are correct, but at
> some point, obese people need to take control even if they have to
> compromise and at some point you might need to forget what other people
> think about your diet choices. I certainly did. I am having
> Thanksgiving with a family that is very understanding. They will have
> out veggies and fruit for me and they will eat their turkey. It really
> isn't a big deal. I can see how it might create conflict for some
> people. Some spouses are offended if they are good cooks and you aren't
> interested in their hard work and skills. Thankfully, I do not have
> that problem. There are lots of vegetarians out there who cooking and
> fears of offending have already been addressed. Whenever I'm invited to
> dinner, I just tell the host up front that I am vegetarian. It
> certainly never hurt my career or social life..not yet anyway. If
> someone is that intolerant, I probably don't want to work for them or
> be engaged with them socially or romantically anyway. It's a good
> screening test. dkw
>
My apologies as I certainly respect those vegetarians who understand
that nutritional balance is important and do so. I wouldn't consider
the OP to be concerned about nutrient balances or call him a vegetarian
by any sense of the word. He has offered no lean sources of protein
other than a piece of chicken or beef every other day, no complex carbs
other than perhaps this piece of bread every other day and no mention of
unsaturated fats. These nutrients wouldn't be ignored by a responsible
vegetarian. At the same time, the sacrifices a vegetarian makes are
more likely driven by beliefs, disgust or intolerance of the treatment
of livestock and not so much losing a few unwanted pounds.

You are right, portion control only works for some. Unfortunately that
*some* would be the thinner population. Many others strive for some
magic pill, diet or exercise to somehow let them outsmart the human
body. It's not going to happen. Sure, there are different diets that
offer more quantity of food or more foods that are less likely to
trigger hunger, but the end result is still portion control. Low
Carbers can't eat too much protein and fat, low fatters can't eat too
many proteins and carbs. The same rules apply to vegetarians and even
the OPs fruit and vegetable diet without limits will eventually lead to
increased quantities and weight gain. My point was that portion
control is always important. What we individually decide to eat to make
portion control less painful defines our personal diet of choice.
--

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

"Scott Smith" <jss@westinghouse.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in
> message news:Okn7h.6672$IR4.779@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net ...
>> It always amazes me to see people show up, make a limited statement, and
>> then act all traumatized when they meet opposition...
>>
>> What do they expect?
>
> I'm not traumatized, but it likewise amazes me that others are so quick to
> respond to issues that they've apparently resolved themselves.

OK, I'm trying to understand what you just said. My take is that you feel
that those who have found a way to lose weight and maintain that weight loss
did not even need to respond to your "eat fruits and veggies exclusively"
idea. Only people who have not found a solution should have responded. Is
that really what you are saying?

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

"Scott Smith" <jss@westinghouse.net> wrote in message
news:I5q7h.58160$cg2.14398@fe08.news.easynews.com. ..
>> Look, you came in here all know-it-all, and we got annoyed. Maybe you
>> can learn something from that. Maybe not.
>
> Personally, I think you became annoyed that I didn't simply agree with
> your opinion(s), and assumed I was a know-it-all. I consider myself as
> being fairly tolerant and unvaunting here. I'm sure there are many who
> would peruse these responses and be more than happy to give you every
> excuse to disdain and censure them. I very much try to treat others with
> respect in my posts, although perhaps I'm being unrealistic to expect the
> same in kind.

Um, just how respectful do you think you sounded when you said "I don't
understand what's so difficult about losing weight." Surely you understand
that there are many people who have struggled with their weight for
years--and you seem to arrogantly announce that it isn't all that difficult.
I certainly didn't get the feeling that you were trying to begin a helpful
discussion. It felt more like a disdainful lecture. Perhaps rereading and
trying to see your post from the perspective of the reader might be helpful
before you post.

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

"teachrmama" <teachrmama@iwon.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Scott Smith" <jss@westinghouse.net> wrote in message
> news:I5q7h.58160$cg2.14398@fe08.news.easynews.com. ..
>>> Look, you came in here all know-it-all, and we got annoyed. Maybe you
>>> can learn something from that. Maybe not.
>>
>> Personally, I think you became annoyed that I didn't simply agree with
>> your opinion(s), and assumed I was a know-it-all. I consider myself as
>> being fairly tolerant and unvaunting here. I'm sure there are many who
>> would peruse these responses and be more than happy to give you every
>> excuse to disdain and censure them. I very much try to treat others with
>> respect in my posts, although perhaps I'm being unrealistic to expect the
>> same in kind.
>
> Um, just how respectful do you think you sounded when you said "I don't
> understand what's so difficult about losing weight. Surely you understand
> that there are many people who have struggled with their weight for
> years--and you seem to arrogantly announce that it isn't all that
> difficult.

I think the weight loss industry has created a lot of confusion regarding
the issue, and I personally don't understand why this has to be so.

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

"teachrmama" <teachrmama@iwon.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Scott Smith" <jss@westinghouse.net> wrote in message
> news:NCn7h.347665$R52.61309@fe07.news.easynews.com ...
>>
>> "Willow Herself" <willowkinda@somethingkikeseamountains.net> wrote in
>> message news:Okn7h.6672$IR4.779@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net ...
>>> It always amazes me to see people show up, make a limited statement, and
>>> then act all traumatized when they meet opposition...
>>>
>>> What do they expect?
>>
>> I'm not traumatized, but it likewise amazes me that others are so quick
>> to respond to issues that they've apparently resolved themselves.
>
> OK, I'm trying to understand what you just said. My take is that you feel
> that those who have found a way to lose weight and maintain that weight
> loss did not even need to respond to your "eat fruits and veggies
> exclusively" idea. Only people who have not found a solution should have
> responded. Is that really what you are saying?

If you're happy with your current weight loss regimen, what's the point in
responding only to criticize a regimen that another person has found helpful
and that they feel may also be helpful to others? If a respondent is
currently struggling, tried said regimen and found it to be ineffective in
their case, that's another story, in my opinion.

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

"Scott Smith" <jss@westinghouse.net> wrote in message
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>
> "The Queen of Cans and Jars" <dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet> wrote in message
> news:1hoyjcn.bwp4vg1u0v7y8N%dhrravr@ohatzhapu.bet. ..
>> fScott Smith <jss@westinghouse.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Not nutritious? Hold it... compared to?
>>
>>Where's the protein?
>
> As mentioned, chicken or beef.
>
>>Where's the fat?
>
> What type of fat are you referring to? Generally speaking, I've found no
> need to supplement my diet with extraneous sources of fat, and have been
> on this regimen for over a year without complication.
>

A year?

You've got your own experience for a year (maybe a little more), you
announced you didn't have weight issues, but yet you can tell people how to
lose weight because it's simple to do so...

Heheheh

By the way, science is showing that we DO need healthy fats in order to be
healthy. I hope you wake up before the gallblader stones and then some..

Re: Weight loss is simple - eat fruits and vegetables?

[snip]
>> Portion control does work...for some. For others it is obviously a
>> miserable failure because they simply cannot control their appetites.
>> It does make some sense to be able to eat MORE food which you can do on
>> a vegetarian diet. As for the social aspects, you are correct, but at
>> some point, obese people need to take control even if they have to
>> compromise and at some point you might need to forget what other people
>> think about your diet choices. I certainly did. I am having
>> Thanksgiving with a family that is very understanding. They will have
>> out veggies and fruit for me and they will eat their turkey. It really
>> isn't a big deal. I can see how it might create conflict for some
>> people. Some spouses are offended if they are good cooks and you aren't
>> interested in their hard work and skills. Thankfully, I do not have
>> that problem. There are lots of vegetarians out there who cooking and
>> fears of offending have already been addressed. Whenever I'm invited to
>> dinner, I just tell the host up front that I am vegetarian. It
>> certainly never hurt my career or social life..not yet anyway. If
>> someone is that intolerant, I probably don't want to work for them or
>> be engaged with them socially or romantically anyway. It's a good
>> screening test. dkw
>>
> My apologies as I certainly respect those vegetarians who understand that
> nutritional balance is important and do so. I wouldn't consider the OP to
> be concerned about nutrient balances or call him a vegetarian by any sense
> of the word. He has offered no lean sources of protein other than a piece
> of chicken or beef every other day, no complex carbs other than perhaps
> this piece of bread every other day and no mention of unsaturated fats.
> These nutrients wouldn't be ignored by a responsible vegetarian. At the
> same time, the sacrifices a vegetarian makes are more likely driven by
> beliefs, disgust or intolerance of the treatment of livestock and not so
> much losing a few unwanted pounds.

I certainly never claimed to be vegetarion. However, I do consider chicken a
viable protein source and flaxseed a very suitable EFA supplement.