WASHINGTON — The Trump administration announced on Tuesday that it plans to retain Barack Obama’s 2014 order banning federal contractors from engaging in “discrimination” in employment matters against homosexual and transgendered persons.

“President Trump continues to be respectful and supportive of LGBTQ rights, just as he was throughout the election,” the White House said in a statement. “The president is proud to have been the first ever GOP nominee to mention the LGBTQ community in his nomination acceptance speech, pledging then to protect the community from violence and oppression.”

“The executive order signed in 2014, which protects employees from anti-LGBTQ workplace discrimination while working for federal contractors, will remain intact at the direction of President Donald J. Trump,” it outlined.

Obama’s order, #13672, amended a 1969 order by then-President Richard Nixon which prohibited federal contractors from discriminating based on “race, color, religion, sex, national origin, handicap and age,” as well as a 1998 order from then-President Bill Clinton adding “sexual orientation” to the list.

“By the authority vested in me as president by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, … and in order to provide for a uniform policy for the federal government to prohibit discrimination and take further steps to promote economy and efficiency in federal government procurement by prohibiting discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity, it is hereby ordered as follows: The first sentence of section 1 of Executive Order 11478 of August 8, 1969, as amended, is revised by substituting ‘sexual orientation, gender identity’ for ‘sexual orientation,'” the Obama order reads in part.

A number of faith-based groups expressed strong opposition to the move at that time.

“President Obama has ordered employers to put aside their principles and practices in the name of political correctness. This level of coercion is nothing less than viewpoint blackmail that bullies into silence every contractor and subcontractor who has moral objections to homosexual behavior,” said Peter Sprigg of Family Research Council.

“[Obama] issued his executive order making gays, transgenders, and she-males protected classes among federal workers and contractors—refusing to include any religious exemption. In short, he told Christians that their religious liberty could take a long walk off a short pier,” also remarked Andrea Lafferty of the Traditional Values Coalition.

Homosexual and transgender advocacy groups had expressed concern that Trump might overturn the order, but according to USA Today, White House aides said that such a move had not even been considered.

As previously reported, during his RNC acceptance speech in July, Trump told those gathered that he would work to protect homosexuals if elected.

“As president, I will do everything in my power to protect LGBTQ citizens from the violence and oppression of a hateful foreign ideology,” he declared, being met with applause.

“And, I have to say, as a Republican, it is so nice to hear you cheering for what I just said,” he said in response.

Trump had also declared at a fundraiser in June that he is the best candidate for the “gay community.”

“So you tell me, who’s better for the gay community, and who’s better for women than Donald Trump? Believe me!” he said.

In February, he replied in the affirmative when asked by a lesbian reporter if the nation can expect “more forward motion” on homosexual issues if elected president.

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Michael C

What percentage of U.S. citizens believe that businesses should be permitted to fire an employee just because they’re gay or transgender?

…even more, how many people believe that it’s okay for employees who are doing work for the federal government to be fired from their jobs just because they’re gay or transgender? How many think it’s okay for the federal government to pay businesses to discriminate against gay people?

Do most people find this type of discrimination acceptable?

OldBut YoungMoney

It is acceptable. If a person finds out you’ve been fking another dude in the place he takes a schit, he should the right to fire him for his behavior. It’s his business, not the sodomites.

RWH

Are you advocating a double standard? It’s not okay for two guys to “do it” in the supply room, but it is perfectly fine for a guy to “do it” to a gal in the same supply room? I would say that this behavior is inappropriate no matter who is doing it. Anti-discrimination laws don’t protect people who do outrageous things. These laws are there to make sure that the ground is level for all groups.

cadcoke5

Remember that this executive order, in essence, putting any companies that do work for government, and are owned by Christians out of business. And, many non-Christians also adhere to some level of decency in this matter. I suppose the next step, is to ban any Christian-owned business from existing at all.

Michael C

Are you suggesting that a Christian person who owned a business could not possible employ a gay person? What about a non-Christian? Could they not employ a non-Christian either?

cadcoke5

Specifically, I am saying the requirement that an employer must demand their employees submit to things, like having a man in the ladies locker room, is immoral and against Christian values. It is also against many non-Christian’s moral values. It is not even compassionate towards the person seeking to be the opposite gender, any more than it is compassionate to congratulate an underweight lady, with anorexia, about her recent weight loss.

It is also not appropriate for the Christian business owner to tolerate the transgender employee trying to deceive other people about their gender while on the job.

In regards to homosexuality, there are certainly situations where it is grossly inappropriate, and even immoral, to have a homosexual individual in a job position. One such position, is that of a teacher of minors, or even where the position requires them to be roll models for minors.

These sorts of sexual perversions or sexual identity problems are certainly deep-seated ones, and require some sensitivity to handle in a loving way. But, that does not mean the problem must be ignored. And it certainly does not mean that an employer should ignore efforts by such individuals to force their views onto others, and even victimizing others by forcing their way into places like locker rooms.

Michael C

Okay, I’m understanding that you believe that it is perfectly acceptable for an employer to fire an employee just because they’re gay or transgender.

Do you also believe that it is acceptable for an employer to fire an employee on the basis of their religious beliefs?

Oboehner

If someone is mentally unstable, would you hire them?

William

Is the unstable individual in question “Christian” or gay or both, or neither?

Oboehner

Any.

Jenny Ondioline

Given that you probably think left-handed people are mentally unstable, and using your criteria, certainly.

Jenny Ondioline

No, but what does that have to do with homosexuals?

Oboehner

No you wouldn’t but other’s are supposed to? Yes, gays and the gender confused are mentally unstable – hypocrisy at it’s finest.

Jenny Ondioline

And can you find one, single, solitary medical opinion that agrees with you? No, of course you can’t. Clearly you’re as into “alternative facts” as your new president is.

Oboehner

Common sense is on my side despite the feel-good lies of the hypocritical left.

Jenny Ondioline

Common sense contrary to every medical professional on earth? Not so common.

Oboehner

Popular bleeding heart opinions are irrelevant, no matter who spews it.

Michex

You mean such as Satanism, which IS a religion?
Have not thought this through, have you?

Michael C

You mean such as Satanism, which IS a religion?
Have not thought this through, have you?

Okay Michex, I guess I’ll direct the question to you as well. Feel free to provide an answer.

Do you believe that it is acceptable for an employer to fire an employee on the basis of their religious beliefs?

Michex

I asked first, but you won’t answer.

By the way, go to any “Images” search and search for Satanic weddings. Look at the pictures.

There are many Satanic weddings, and there are also Satanic wedding cakes. All on the web. And Satanism is a religion. Look it up.

Ask yourself if a for-profit wedding chapel (not even a church) should be forced to allow a Satanic wedding party to rent out the chapel.

Ask yourself if a day-care should be able to fire an employee who is a Satanist if the day-care center learns he or she is a Satanist, and the parents of the children there get nervous about that.

Michael C

I asked first, but you won’t answer.

You replied to my original question with another question without ever providing an answer to the first.

No worries, I’ll happily answer your question with an explanation of how the Civil Rights Act of 1964 works.

For the last fifty years or so, it has been illegal for public accommodations to deny service on the basis of a customer’s religion. This means that if a Christian entered a bakery and requested a style of cake that the bakery regularly provided to other members of the general public, the bakery would not be permitted to refuse to sell them the cake just because they’re Christian.

Similarly, if a Satanist (atheist) walked into the same bakery and requested the same cake, the bakery wouldn’t be permitted to refuse them the cake, either.

A daycare would not be permitted to fire an employee just because they’re Jewish. Similarly, a daycare would not be permitted to fire an employee just because they’re a Satanist (atheist).

There’s your answer. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits businesses from denying employment, housing, and public accommodations on the basis of a person’s religion. I support laws that protect people from discrimination on the basis of their religion.

Now back to the original question that you never answered.

Do you believe that it is acceptable for an employer to fire an employee on the basis of their religious beliefs? Do you believe that it is acceptable for a landlord to deny housing on the basis of a person’s religious beliefs? Do you believe that it is acceptable for a store or restaurant to refuse service on the basis of a customer’s religious beliefs?

Do you oppose the Civil Rights Act of 1964?

Michex

I know what the 1964 Civil Right act does.
It forces bakeries to bake a Satanic wedding if asked.
You think that’s OK.

Michael C

It forces bakeries who bake wedding cakes to bake a Satanic wedding if asked

Well, no. That’s actually incorrect. No bakery would be required to decorate any cake in a manner that they find offensive. They would, however, be prohibited from refusing to sell one of their regular cakes to a person just because they’re a Satanist (atheist). I thought I already explained this.

The Civil Rights Act does not govern what type of products a business offers. It only outlines the characteristics that cannot be used as an excuse to deny regularly offered products and services.

Michex

You’re wrong.

Court decisions have held that a Christian bakery must bake and decorate a same sex wedding cake with 2 men on the top if requested – if the bakery normally baked wedding cakes.

There have been similar decisions regarding florists and same sex weddings.

In none of these cases did the merchant discriminate against the consumer because of his or her sex or sexual orientation. In fact, in many cases the consumer was well-known to the merchant and had bought regular items there with no problems at all.

Rather, it was all about the cake or servicing a type of wedding to which the merchant objected.

Michael C

Court decisions have held that a Christian bakery must bake and decorate a same sex wedding cake with 2 men on the top if requested

You’re going to have to provide a citation for this claim.

In all of the wedding cake cases, the business owner refused to sell the customer any cake to the customer, regardless of how it was decorated. The decorations were not the reason for the discrimination, the fact that the customers were gay was the reason for the refusal of service.

Rather, it was all about the cake or servicing a type of wedding to which the merchant objected.

Now you’re starting to more accurately and honestly describe the type of discrimination. The “type of wedding” that the business owner objected to was gay. It wasn’t about the cake. It was about the fact that the customer was gay.

Refusing to sell a cake to a customer because you object to interfaith relationships is called discrimination on the basis of religion.

Refusing to sell a cake to a customer because you object to interracial relationships is called discrimination on the basis of race.

Refusing to sell a cake to a customer because you object to gay relationships is called discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.

Michex

You said:
In all of the wedding cake cases, the business owner refused to sell the customer any cake to the customer, regardless of how it was decorated.

You’re 1000% wrong. There are many such cases where the Christian baker would not bake a same sex wedding cake but would have baked any other cake. I am not going to get into and forth where you demand links. Even if I did that, you’d say “Well, that was just one or two cases.” If a reader wants to find these cases, search for things such as christian baker fine gay cake or sweetcakes.

Michael C

There are many such cases where the Christian baker would not bake a same sex wedding cake but would have baked any other cake.

Whether or not a business always refuses service to gay people is not the issue.

In all of the bakery discrimination cases, the style, decorations, or flavor of the cake was not the reason for the denial of service. In all of the cases, the baker clearly stated that they would not sell them any cake for their wedding.

I am not going to get into a back and forth where you demand links.

I am willing to defend anything I’ve said. I am willing to provide evidence for any assertion I’ve made. When I am incorrect, I willingly admit and correct my mistakes.

Perhaps this is unfair, but I expect the same of others.

You said that bakeries have been sued because they refused same-sex cake toppers. This is false. If you’re claiming it to be true, I expect you to defend it with evidence.

You have clearly stated that you oppose non-discrimination laws that protect gay people and Christians from discrimination. I disagree with you.

Shall we leave it at that?

Sharon_at_home

I disagree with you about the reasons the bakeries refused service to these people. Some of them regularly sold things to the people, and did not want to be involved in the event because of their religious convictions. Not once have I read that the people were refused ALL service because they were gay.

Why isn’t it discrimination to ask someone to do something that goes against their religious/moral convictions if they know they would not want to do it, but insist it be done anyway?
Isn’t making someone who is religious do something that is against their convictions like insisting that a gay man ONLY has sex with a straight female? each one has serious feelings against each thing but they are not being treated equally when any people are forced to do it.

You don’t want to be restricted from being gay and we don’t want to be restricted because we are religious. why is one legal and one not?

There are enough businesses for everyone so everyone should be able to be happy and comfortable doing what is right in their own eyes. No one should be suing each other for something that can be handled a different way.

Michael C

Not once have I read that the people were refused ALL service because they were gay.

That’s not how civil rights laws work. A business cannot say that they don’t usually discriminate on the basis of a customer’s religion. If they can’t discriminate on the basis of religion, they can’t ever discriminate on the basis of religion.

Isn’t making someone who is religious do something that is against their convictions like insisting that…

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 says that if there’s a certain product or service that a business regularly offers to the general public, this product or service cannot be denied on the basis (or for the reason of) certain specific personal characteristics.

If there is a product or service that a religious business owner would not be willing to provide to all customers equally, they are under no obligation to carry that product or provide that service.

You don’t want to be restricted from being gay and we don’t want to be restricted because we are religious.

The First Amendment protects your personal religious freedoms. It does not, however, give businesses the right to discriminate against whomever they please.

There are enough businesses for everyone so everyone should be able to be happy and comfortable doing what is right in their own eyes.

So I should stick with my own kind and we can eat at our own lunch counter?

Sharon_at_home

We are both entitled to our opinions
I don’t agree with you but I did not use a rude tone.
Perhaps you could extend the same courtesy next time.
I’d appreciate it.
No you misunderstood what I was aiming at.
I do not urge you to stick with your own kind (your words) etc. unless that is what your choice is. I’m sure I’ll write what I was aiming at at some point.
God bless!

Michael C

There are enough businesses for everyone

I just want you to imagine what it would be like for a Jewish person or a black person or a disabled person to hear those words after they were denied service at a store or fired from their job or refused a place to live.

Apparently, there aren’t enough businesses for everyone. If there were, we wouldn’t have civil rights laws.

cadcoke5

In general I do not oppose that act. But, as you might imagine, a lot depends upon the judge and what is considered to be a legitimate exercise of religion that should be protected.

From a posting you made further down this list, “No bakery would be required to decorate any cake in a manner that they find offensive.” So, we seem to be in agreement.

But, many judges seem to be in opposition to this interpretation. Most of the stuff that has gotten press over the last few years, has been where Christians were required to create some specific objectionable content such as a cake to celebrate homosexual “marriage”. They were prosecuted even they were commonly providing cakes to homosexuals. The participation in an even to celebrate what God calls a abomination, is what was demanded by the homosexual couple, and by the judges.

Looking back over this debate, I think we are glossing over each other’s basis for our position. You apparently reject the Bible as being God’s word.

However a particular judge wants to define (or rather, re-define) what the Civil Rights Act was created to do, is actually immaterial to me in this debate. It is immoral to promote sexual sin, and I will not participate in it. If you want to convince me otherwise, you must convince me that the Bible is not God’s word and/or there is no God.

I don’t know your argument that might defend homosexuality as a moral thing. What determines what you think is right or wrong? I hold that it is only our creator that can truly dictate this.

If we have no way to determine what God says is moral, then we have no basis for any laws. It is each man for himself. Maybe the majority can discuss among themselves, and come to some agreement, and then force its will upon a weaker subject. But, if it ignores God, its efforts cannot be considered moral. It is simply a show of force.

Michael C

…where Christians were required to create some specific objectionable content such as a cake to celebrate homosexual “marriage”.

This statement is contradictory. Was the content of the cake objectionable to the baker or was it the fact that the customer was gay?

In none of the cases I’ve read about have the bakers alleged that the product they were requested to provide was in any way different than what they regularly provide for other customers.

All of this is just a distraction from the main subject.

Should businesses be permitted to deny employment, housing, and public accommodations on the basis of a person’s sexual orientation?

The question doesn’t get any simpler than that.

TheKingOfRhye

Just to jump in, with about the same thing Michael C is getting at, anyway…..

The businesses you’re talking about should not, and actually can not legally discriminate against someone just for them being a Satanist. (which, by the way, you’re absolutely right about it being a religion, it’s even legally considered one by the US govt….it’s just not a theistic one, though) Now if the Satanists were planning some sort of outlandish, offensive wedding ceremony, you might have a case as to why they shouldn’t be served.

As to your second scenario, a Satanist working at a day-care center….absolutely not, they shouldn’t be fired just for being a Satanist. Only if they showed that they couldn’t do the job, or somehow their behavior was detrimental to the children. If neither of those things happened, why should they be fired, just because parents got nervous? If they were so uncomfortable about it, those parents could always take their children out of the day care center, nothing says they can’t do that.

cadcoke5

Lets see if I can figure a good comparable situation. Suppose if an employee demands that each other employee submit to a presentation of the Gospel whether they want to or not, that all other employees address him as, “Jesus” and demanded that the dress code be suspended so that he can wear his Jesus outfit. Yes, I believe he can appropriately be fired, not because of his believe, but because of his behavior on the job.

This is similar to a transgendered employee situation. Though, for the transgendered person, they also generally demand that they be permitted to commit the crime of voyeurism against their fellow employees, which by itself is certainly strong grounds to terminate this employee.

For education, I can see being much more concerned about an employee’s personal behavior. Suppose the teacher firmly believes she is fat, in spite of being quite significantly underweight. Furthermore, she is quite insistent that no one should say things that contradict her view of her “healthy lifestyle”. And even if she is not actively seeking to teach her students to try to loose weight like her, her obvious mental problem is not something that should be “normalized” (I’ve discussed this concept before in posts to this site). Therefore, it is OK to fire her as a teacher, purely because of her belief in her “healthy lifestyle”, because she is living out a very unhealthy lifestyle in front of her students. This is similar to a homosexual employee situation.

Note that I have worked with people that had emotional problems, or were deep into self-destructive sins. But, I always felt that my job was not only to work with them professionally, and also to seek a personal relationship so that I may be able to help them towards healing. And if they don’t know the Lord, to hopefully share the message of salvation with them.

Michael C

There was a lot of talking around the subject but I think I got the gist of what you’re saying.

You believe that it is just fine for an employer to fire an employee just because they’re gay.

You do not believe that it is acceptable for an employer to fire an employee just because they’re Christian.

Thank you for sort of answering my very simple question.

cadcoke5

I clearly gave examples of when I think it is permissible to discriminate. How about you in regards to discrimination based on sexual desires. There is a lot of variety in what some people consider sexually satisfying and moral for themselves, but the majority of our culture object to.

Do you think is ever acceptable to discriminate base on what a person likes sexually? Why?

Michael C

Do you think is ever acceptable to discriminate base on what a person likes sexually? Why?

It is 100% legal in most of the country for businesses to deny me employment, housing, and public accommodations on the basis of my sexual orientation. It is only prohibited in some states and cities. I think this is terrible. I don’t believe I should be fired from my job, denied a place to live, or refused service at stores and restaurants just because I’m gay. The idea of that happening churns my stomach.

Sexual orientation is not defined by “what a person likes sexually.” Homosexuality is not a sexual act. Sexual orientation is defined by which gender a person is sexually and romantically attracted to. I believe there are enough people like you out there who would wish to deny gay people employment, housing, and service at stores and restaurants to warrant legislation protecting them from such discrimination. The laws that protect gay people also protect straight people from discrimination.

To answer your question as clearly as possible, “what a person likes to do, sexually” isn’t considered a protected characteristic anywhere in the United States and I would not advocate making it one.

cadcoke5

Am I correct that you consider homosexuality as an intrinsic thing, like race is?

Some would classify the examples of pedophilia or bestiality as being quite distinct from homosexuality, because they describe the former as an intrinsic thing, and the latter ones being a learned behavior.

But, genetics would argue against this, because homosexuality, by its nature, greatly reduces the odds of transmission to offspring. The statistics of the male homosexual community also tends to argue against this being an intrinsic thing, because the overwhelming majority of homosexual men have been the victims of a sexual predator.

The difficulty an individual may have leaving homosexuality is not an argument in favor of it being intrinsic either. Physiologists say that Pedophilia is not something that can change. But I don’t see anyone arguing this as being something intrinsic. When I have had this discussion before, no one would even agree that a pedophile, that never touched a child, or child porn, was an OK thing to be. they always described the person as “sick”.

But, of course, all this is not definitive. Rather, it is what God thinks that matters.

Michael C

Am I correct that you consider homosexuality as an intrinsic thing, like race is?

We don’t know why not everyone is straight.

Whether or not homosexuality is an intrinsic or immutable characteristic has nothing to do with this conversation.

Michex

Don’t waste your breath with this pro-LGBTQ Michael C.
He does not listen, and he does not care about what Christians believe.

johndoe

Sure he does. He’s one of the best commenters here. He just disagrees with bigotry, which you espouse with every post

Jenny Ondioline

Michael C’s comments are always of the highest rate. He provides citations and proof at all times.

Chris

“He does not listen, and he does not care about what Christians believe.”

The gentleman has responded to every question put to him. He has also put forward principles which protect both Christian and non-Christian. Why do you distort his views like this?

TheKingOfRhye

“One such position, is that of a teacher of minors, or even where the position requires them to be roll models for minors.”

For one thing, I don’t think that’s so inappropriate. And besides, we’re talking about a teacher….I don’t know about you, but I never really cared, or even wanted to know, about the sexual orientation of any of my teachers. It never came into play. I don’t see how someone’s sexual orientation makes them worse or better of a teacher.

Oboehner

Why stop there? Hire pedos, necros, and all. (One might want to tell the necro not to bring their partners to work if you are in the restaurant business.)

Jenny Ondioline

Still comparing homosexuals to pedophiles, eh? Haven’t invested in that dictionary yet?

cadcoke5

The comparison is that both seek immoral sexual relationships. The normal objection to the statement I just made, is saying that a child cannot legally consent to sex. But, the only moral justification ever given for that objection, is the view that sex with someone who is underage is morally wrong.
A child cannot legally consent to going to school, or even to giving mommy a kiss goodby, either. But, because we think those are good and even necessary things, we approve of them.
So, the arguments in favor of requiring special protections for LGBT employees is really the same as those used by the pro-pedophile folks, who say it is wrong to impose someone else’s morality on them.

Jenny Ondioline

There ARE no “pro-pedophile” folks. Maybe a handful of sickos, but not more than that.

The issue is child abuse. Going to school and kissing mommy aren’t issues involving abuse of a child which is why no legal consent is required.

Windowr

Google “List of pedophile and pederast advocacy organizations”

Jenny Ondioline

Most are defunct, if you click the link further, and the others are so remote that they haven’t even got websites that discuss them at all. Very few hyperlinks.

Windowr

It’d be rather disingenuous to suggest that their apparent non-official status implies that they, the people, do not exist.

Jenny Ondioline

It’s also disingenuous to suggest they were ever organizations that were substantial enough to be taken seriously, as one might expect if there were a few hyperlinks for instance.

Windowr

It’s also disingenuous to suggest they were ever organizations that were substantial enough to be taken seriously

You’re gonna have to do a whole lot better than willful ignorance if you want to suggest such organizations and people never existed.

Jenny Ondioline

Good luck in proving any one of those organizations ever got off the ground.

Windowr

You’re quite invested in your willful ignorance. Keep it up, apparently those organizations that lasted for years and even went to court will just magically poof away when you deny them. Ignorance sure is bliss.

Jenny Ondioline

The only one that ever had even the slightest bit of traction was NAMBLA and now the word is used mostly as a joke. Read up on your subject before talking about it.

Windowr

Stop embarrassing yourself. You think Turkey’s attempt to legalize it was something they dreamt up one weird night? You rambled up about a handful, you were wrong. Pontificating doesn’t change that. But please, don’t stop, that’s a mainstay of the letter brigade.

Jenny Ondioline

How funny that you can name so many so-called organizations that support pedophilia and most people can’t name a single one.

Windowr

So Turkey has suddenly become an organization. That and a Wiki article you read. Funnily enough, you’re the only one who has mentioned such an organization by name.

Why don’t you take a bath before making your next post? Right now, you’re just embarrassing yourself.

Jenny Ondioline

Says the man who’s trying to tell us all with a straight face about all these pedophile advocacy associations with no information about them apart from their names. That’s lame in the extreme. Not to mention alarmist crap.

Windowr

Says the man who’s trying to tell us … about all these pedophile …

Wow! Way to embarrass yourself.

First off, I asked you to read a Wiki article that was relevant to your ignorant claim.

Secondly, you’re the ignoramus who mentioned NAMBLA and tried to downplay their significance with a straight face.

Finally, these your pathetic posts do not constitute an argument. It’s no more valid than the ramblings of a butthurt SJW screaming “Trump is literally, LITERALLY, HITLER!”.

Now, have some dignity and try and formulate a cogent argument.

Michex

The LGBTQ agenda targets Christianity specifically and hardly ever Judaism and Islam.
Liberals and LGTBQ hate Christianity.
Forget Michael C., who is one of them.

johndoe

There is NO targeting of christianity. christians seem to be the only ones who have an issue with the inability to discriminate against gays. Take your bigotry back to the home of it and censorship…..barb wire

TheKingOfRhye

You know why liberals and LGTBQ people “target Christianity”? There’s one really good reason. Christians are the ones doing most of the discrimination! The country’s population is 70% Christians, as opposed to about 2% Muslims and 1% Jews.

Chris

I believe the traditional response to your post is “would you like a tinfoil hat with that serve of conspiracy?” 🙂

There is also quite a bit in scripture saying to take action against some people. In Rom 13:4, there is clear support for the “sword bearer” (i.e. the government) to take action against wrong doers. And in once instance of sexual sin that bore the death penalty at the time (incest in I Cor 5:1), the church is instructed to hand the individual over to the adversary for the destruction of the flesh. That is an extremely discriminatory act.

William

The percentage of people who have sex, “sinful” or otherwise, in the workplace must be a very small percentage.

SFBruce

According to a May 2016 CNN/ORC poll, 75% of Americans favor laws that guarantee equal protection for transgender people in jobs, housing and public accommodations. 80% of Americans favor the same protections for gays and lesbians. So, to answer your question, very few Americans find anti-gay discrimination acceptable.

Puppy

That is why, God’s judgement on this country stands at the door! Sodom and Gomorrah is a testimony of how God dealt with a Nation full of pride, America needs to turn back to her first love in Christ. Repent of her wicked ways, be Godly again, and walk in the light it’s not too late but time is running out.

if God doesn’t judge America He would have to apoloize to Sodom and Gomorrah and God wiped that lightly sinful off the face of the earth. How much more shall shall we be judged for our wickedness? America is way, way, WAY more wicked than S&G, with the morals of this country, with the homosexuals,transgenders, and not teaching our kids right from wrong, is unbelievable, The drugs, the perverted sex, I’m surprised the Lord hasn’t wiped this country off the face of the earth. I’m sure it’ll probably happen soon unless,America repents and turns from her wicked ways.

America does not care about God’s laws she wants to keep living in her deadly sins, while at the same time have God’s blessing for being a wicked,evil nation.

Mark

Before you embarrass yourself, please reread ANY bible printed before 1946, as to why God destroyed sodom and Gomorrah. Had not her to do with gay people.
You make our side look bad with your scriptural error.

Puppy

Yikes!!! Maybe you should read your Bible before embarrassing yourself, while Sodom and Gomorrah were guilty of many other horrendous sins, such as the failure to help the poor & needy, as well,as arrogance, gluttony. Homosexuailty was the clear reason why GOD poured his fiert sulfur on the cities, compleetel destorying them and all their inhabitants.

Ezekiel 16:49-50 declares, ”Now thiis was the sin of your Sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned: they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me…” The Herbrew word translated” detestable” refers to something that is morally disgusting, and is the exact same word used in Leviticus 18:22 that refers to homosexually as am” abomination.” Similarly JUDE 7 declares,”….Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up for Sexual immorality and perversion.So, again, while homosexuality, was not the only sin in which the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah indulged, it does appear to be the primary reason for the destruction of the cities.

Puppy

Having read Genesis 19 along with the above scriptures, it’s pretty obvious to me. Sodom and Gomorrah were so preverse that the men wanted to rape the Angels, Try to imagine a completely depraved society where there are no morals at all and no shame about it,and,you’ve got Sodom and Gomorrah.

Thank you, very much and read your Bible.

RWH

Has anyone considered the fact that women didn’t count? Or did Christ feed 5000 men only? Were women in the crowd? Or was Lot clueless when he knowingly offered his daughters to these people? Sexual immorality covers much more than gay anything. And how about the parallel story in the Book of Judges?

Mark

You are corrrect. The verb “rape”, is the operative word here. Not gay christians getting married.
Please not the same word, you are translating as abominitation, was originally translated as ” not common”. It was later translated as “not ususual”, then “not normal”, then “abnormal”, then “abomination”. Every few huneed years, the translation would change.
Please note the same word, originally translated as “not ususual, is described in the same chapter to eating shell fish and shrimp.
So if you are not going to be a cafeteria christian, be consistent and picket the local supermarket for selling she’ll fish…

cadcoke5

There is more commentary in scripture concerning Gomorrah, than the Genesis passages. Check out Jude 7. Sexual immorality is listed.

SFBruce

You’re certainly entitled to believe whatever you conscience dictates about Genesis 19; however, surely you know that many Jewish and Christian theologians believe the sin of Sodom was inhospitality. I’m guessing you’ll dismiss this view as apostate, and/or the views of people who aren’t true Christians, and that’s your right, too. Where your religious liberty ends, however, is when you try to impose your beliefs on others. The Jews and Christians who disagree with you regarding Genesis 19, Muslims, all other faith traditions, agnostics and atheists all have the same First Amendment rights that you do.

Chris

You are quite correct. In the ancient world the ‘law of hospitality’ was sacrosanct. It was unthinkable to harm a guest. This is exactly how the listeners of the era in which Genesis was written would have understood the story.

But those who believe they don’t need any history to understand the text just pick it up and read it as condemning their favourite object of hate.

OldBut YoungMoney

AHAHAHAHHAHA CNN. Right, give me a break.

Chris

So what would you suggest is a reasonable source for census data? Pew research perhaps?

OldBut YoungMoney

No, not them either. Pew is also leftist. Polls are pretty much worthless now a days. Did you not see the margin Trump won something like Missouri and Ohio and Iowa by? And how all the polls had Trump way down in WI and MI for example? Only a few polls came out that had a glimpse of accuracy in regards to those states and it wasn’t from a left wing source, that I can tell you.

Chris

Polls are strictly dependent upon their data. If the data is faulty then the result will be faulty. Whether the pollster is a leftie or a rightie is irrelevant.

OldBut YoungMoney

Not really. Given how left leaning polls, like NBC, always give dems a clear edge when in reality dems have lost every major election since after 2012. They said there was a 95 or so percent probably Trump would lose I think lol. What hacks. They use polls as political weapons, not as fact.

Chris

“Not really. Given how left leaning polls, like NBC, always give dems a
clear edge when in reality dems have lost every major election since
after 2012.”

So if the ‘leftie’ polls were saying the same thing as the rightie polls you’d still say they were wrong? No?

But then if they disagree how are we to decide between them? Evidence! Thus rightie or leftie is irrelevant.

“They said there was a 95 or so percent probably Trump would
lose I think lol. What hacks. They use polls as political weapons, not
as fact.”

If I remember rightly the right wing were also predicting a loss by trump. They must be hacks too.

Robert

I’m guessing mostly US older christian guys that know homosexuality use to be illegal in this country.And would rightfully carry a jail sentence

Michael C

I’m guessing mostly US older christian guys that know homosexuality use to be illegal in this country.And would rightfully carry a jail sentence. And In other country’s a death sentence. If you have Any thing else on your mind just ask, I am to please. I have noticed since that stopped homosexuality has gotten much worse. I suppose murder would to if you let that slide also. It would be Chicago all over the place.

I’m struggling to understand what you’re attempting to say. Homosexuality was illegal in some parts of the U.S. up until 2003.

Are you suggesting that the U.S. should put people in jail just because they’re gay?

Robert

No I think time spent in the old puritan stockades with a metal roof over it
Where the public could get a good look and do some shaming .
Would be a much better deterrent for a crime like homosexuality.

Robert

The Stockade sentance first offence would only last untill the promise was made perhaps just the walk out to it would need enough .

The second offence There would need to be time spent with water and food should be provided but no bathroom breaks .The shamers should have access to gas masks. The era can e cleaned with water houses into dairy barn style gutters from there into the city sewers.

Robert

I was also thinking the meals should be the same a nice hearty bowl of lutefisk that alone would help deter the bad behavior.And greatly increase the need for gas masks for the shamers

Michex

Liberal employers discriminate against conservatives and Christians quite often.
Liberals find out some of their friends are Republicans or conservative and never speak to them again.
These things are quite common and are discussed on the Web.
Get off your high horse and stop weeping about homosexuals, who do quite well economically and dominate fashion, media, Hollywood and a lot more.
Such crybabies. Sometimes they get fired like the rest of humanity. That’s life.
One should not get special rights because one has sex with people of the same gender.

It has been illegal for businesses to discriminate in employment, housing, and public accommodations on the basis of a person’s religion for over fifty years.

No business that contracts with the federal government is permitted to discriminate against Christian employees.

…stop weeping about homosexuals, who do quite well economically…

The notion that gay people are different somehow from everyone else is a bit absurd. We don’t all work in fashion or Hollywood. We have normal jobs just like everyone else. It is also irrelevant to the fact that workplace discrimination does occur. As evidenced by the very interest in this topic, there are lots of people who believe that they should be permitted to fire employees just because they’re gay.

Sometimes they get fired like the rest of humanity.

Yeah, huh? What are you talking about? The subject that I’m talking about is whether or not it’s okay for good employees to be fired just because (notice how I keep saying “just because?”) they’re gay.

It’s legal for an employer to fire you from your job because you’re bad at it. It’s not legal for them to fire you because you’re Christian. Do you understand how civil rights laws work?

One should not get special rights because one has sex with people of the same gender.

Nobody’s talking about “special” or “extra” rights. We’re talking about equal treatment. You are protected from discrimination on the basis of religious beliefs. That’s not a “special” right because so am I.

Michex

Religion is chosen, not inherent.
There should be no laws on religious discrimination as applied to private business.
So an Orthodox Jewish family must not turn down a prospective Muslim tenant in their 2 family home? And vice versa?
The tenant should have such rights but not the property owner?

Michael C

Google the Mrs. Murphy exemption to the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Have you ever spent any time learning about U.S. nondiscrimination laws?

Michex

State and city laws often require such a rental. And the same applies to a 3 or 4 family home.

Michael C

Do you oppose all civil rights laws that prohibit discrimination on the basis of religion?

OldBut YoungMoney

Yes, it is acceptable.

OldBut YoungMoney

Bad move Trump. This won’t play well with Christians which you’re going to need desperately to win again and to win the primary again.

Emmanuel

he will get us back with his “christian” supreme court nominee

OldBut YoungMoney

I hope his own supreme court strikes down Obama’s 2014 order that Trump is playing politics with lol.

Chris

You mean Trump’s court should be activist? So why is it an activist court when you disagree with its decisions and ok when you agree with them? Isn’t that a double standard?

OldBut YoungMoney

No, it’s because that order is unconstitutional. You shouldn’t be forced to associate with people who’s behavior you find repelling. Freedom of association in the constitution exists so it can very easily be slapped down by the right judges.

Michael C

If what you’re saying is correct, that would mean that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is unconstitutional.

Is this what you believe?

OldBut YoungMoney

In my heart? Yes. I believe as the constitution currently stands, it is unconstitutional.

Michael C

Huh, so you believe that an open-to-the-public establishment like a Woolworth’s lunch counter has the Constitutional right to refuse service to black people.

Huh. Interesting.

Thanks for your honesty.

OldBut YoungMoney

Am I supposed to lie to myself? I believe that they have the right to refuse it to anyone. Black can refuse white, white refuse black, women can refuse men, men can refuse women. It’s all around. I can’t lie to myself. It says in the constitution that freedom of association exists and with private property in the PRIVATE sector I certainly believe that. I’m not saying people should refuse service to a white person or black person or women or man, but as the constitution stands, I think that the 1964 civil rights act in regards to the private sector is unconstitutional.

Michael C

Am I supposed to lie to myself?

No need to get worked up. I already thanked you for your honest response.

OldBut YoungMoney

Well, it appeared as if you tried to make me out to be a racist just because I think that it’s unconstitutional in some regards.

Michael C

…it appeared as if you tried to make me out to be a racist…

I said nothing to that effect but I find it fascinating that your mind went there. Do you often feel that others perceive you in that way?

OldBut YoungMoney

I never said you did. I said appear. Also, no, but I know my opinion is unpopular and that many would try to label me a racist for saying that it’s unconstitutional.

Chris

I don’t think I’d call someone who’s called others freaks and sodomites a racist. I think it far more accurate to use another term.

OldBut YoungMoney

Are they not sodomites? Which are people who go after the same gender?

Chris

Sodomite is a term of abuse. Are you not abusive for using a term of abuse?

In any case Sodomite refers to anyone who practices sodomy [i.e. anal sex] which would not only include some heterosexual couples but also exclude many homosexuals. For example Steven Fry doesn’t practice anal sex therefore he is not a sodomite. You really should get a dictionary.

Michael C

If we’re talking about biblical terminology, the only acceptable definition of the term “Sodomite” would be an inhabitant of the city of Sodom. That is the only way the bible uses that word.

If you’re using a different definition for that word, then yes, it is rather [insert appropriate terminology here].

OldBut YoungMoney

No, that wouldn’t make sense. In the Bible, the term sodomite extents to all who seek after the same gender. Which is why even though Sodom was destroyed in Genesis, long after, all the way in the book of Kings, it says, for example, “And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.”

Chris

“In the Bible, the term sodomite extents to all who seek after the same gender.”

… in the book of Kings, it says, for example, “And he took away the sodomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.”

I have one very important word of advice for you. Know your bible.

The Hebrew word in the verse you’ve cited is “qadesh” meaning temple prostitute. There is no reference to the city of Sodom in this verse. The word “sodomy” occurs nowhere in the bible. The only true meaning of the word “Sodomite” is an inhabitant of Sodom. Know your bible.

OldBut YoungMoney

According to Strong’s, but that’s if you accept Strong’s as right 100% of the time in their translations. You already tried to say that the only true meaning is a person who is an inhabitant of Sodom. But there’s a problem. Sodom got destroyed in Genesis and yet the term sodomite gets used in Kings even though Sodom the city is gone and thus there are no inhabitants. God himself said the example of Sodom would live on as a reference which is why the term sodomite still got used lol.

Michael C

Sodom got destroyed in Genesis and yet the term sodomite gets used in Kings

Please pay attention. The word “sodomy” was never used in the book of Kings. The word that was used in the verse that you cited above is “qadesh” and it means temple prostitute. Go look up the original Hebrew. The Hebrew word for the city of Sodom is Sedom.

The word “qadesh” is not derived from the name Sedom.

The word “sodomy” was invented over a thousand years after the book of Kings was written.

Please educate yourself about your religious texts.

OldBut YoungMoney

Never said sodomy was. I said SODOMITE. Furthermore, I also said that’s if you think Strong’s has the word translated correctly. Numerous translations like the King James Version, the Darby version, the World English Bible version, and more translate it as sodomite.

Michael C

Never said sodomy was. I said SODOMITE.

You’re not paying attention.

Nowhere in the bible does the word “Sodomite” mean anything other than people from the city of Sodom. If you think I’m wrong, please go find a verse that you think refers to a “sodomite” and then take the time to look it up in the original language. I guarantee, unless it’s talking about the people of Sodom, a different word will be used.

If you want to use the word “sodomite” to refer to gay people, please know that you’re not doing it with God’s blessing. He never used that term.

Chris

I believe some newer versions of the bible are actually using that very phase ‘temple [or cultic] prostitute”

OldBut YoungMoney

That quote was in 1 Kings 15:12 btw.

Chris

“No, it’s because that order is unconstitutional.”

Not according to the supreme court.

“You shouldn’t be forced
to associate with people who’s behavior you find repelling.”

So if people find the behaviour of Christian fundies repelling then they shouldn’t have to associate with them? How about if they find the behaviour of a mixed race couple repelling? You’ve just basically said that no one has any civil rights.

OldBut YoungMoney

Yes, they shouldn’t have to associate with them, associate with the Christians. Why would they find heterosexuality disgusting? Lmfao, a mixed race couple would be heterosexual conduct. You don’t even make sense. It’s about taking problem with the actions anyone else can commit, not someone for their race. It’s like no shirt no shoes no service, it has nothing to do with race you fool. Why is it whenever sodomites are brought up, someone RACE comes up when it has literally nothing to do with the other?

Chris

“Yes, they shouldn’t have to associate with them, associate with the
Christians.”

So you agree with apartheid? What a lovely world you live in sir, where everyone must keep to their own kind.

“Why would they find heterosexuality disgusting? Lmfao, a
mixed race couple would be heterosexual conduct.”

You mean why would a neo-nazi find what a mixed race couple do disgusting? Allow me to quote from the founder of the Christian Identity Movement “God loves a sinner but hates a race traitor.” Certainly sounds like he’d find a mixed race couple disgusting to me.

“You don’t even make
sense.”

No you certainly don’t. But I put that down to ignorance on your part.

“It’s about taking problem with the actions anyone else can
commit, not someone for their race.”

That’s not how the law works. If you suggest a legal principle then it must be applied.

“It’s like no shirt no shoes no
service, it has nothing to do with race you fool.”

“But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry
with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.”

Care to apologise?

“Why is it whenever sodomites are brought up, somehow RACE comes up when it has literally nothing to do with the other?”

Because bigots also tried to discriminate others for something they couldn’t help. One on race the other on their orientation.

“Don’t you feel ashamed to bring up race when we talk about these freaks who think they are somehow defined by
how crazy they’re acting?”

Don’t you feel ashamed to denigrate someone so viciously? Aren’t you disgusted with yourself for the way your writing?

OldBut YoungMoney

Are you trying to say Christians are against interracial marriage? That doesn’t even make sense. We are all one blood according to Christ, so I’m color blind. You are not a brother in Christ, hence Jesus calling the Pharisees who were not brothers in Christ fools and vipers. Ok, so you think that the reason you can bring that up is because just like you didn’t choose your race, you what? Couldn’t help that you want to fk another man in the place that fecal matter comes out his body? Lol what?

Chris

“Are you trying to say Christians are against interracial marriage?”

Many, many Christians have been historically and some Christians still are to this day. The KKK for example is a fundamentalist Christian organization. Additionally white Christians in the US became infamous for their support of segregation. This is a matter of histoical record. I can quote you statements by supporters of segregation and opposing interracial marriage if you like.

“That
doesn’t even make sense.”

Prejudice never does.

“We are all one blood according to Christ, so
I’m color blind.”

I believe the argument used was that God created the races in different locations so He obviously didn’t want them mixed.

“You are not a brother in Christ, hence Jesus calling
the Pharisees who were not brothers in Christ fools and vipers.”

Except there weren’t any Christians when Christ said that. Whoops.

“Ok, so
you think that the reason you can bring that up is because just like you
didn’t choose your race, you what? Can’t that you want to fk another
man in the place feces comes out his body? Lol what?”

Homosexuality is an orientation – who you’re attracted too. It has NOTHING to do with behaviour. If someone gay was chaste till the day they died they would still be a homosexual.

Secondly, as I’ve already pointed out, many homosexuals don’t like anal sex. Why do you keep bringing it up? Is it because you’re obsessed with anal sex? is that why?

OldBut YoungMoney

These people are Christians in name only. A true Christian is not racist because racism is against Christianity. That’s like saying, you: many Christians were drunkards, me: but being a drunkard is condemned in the Bible… you: whatever. Lol. I mean that’s the kind of logic you’re using. Just because claimed Christians behave badly (just like our own scripture says when it says that no one is without sin, even Christians, but just ignore that I guess) that doesn’t mean Christianity itself is bad. I don’t deny that past CLAIMED Christians have done evil things but yet again every single kind of person has done evil things and the Bible says if someone claims that they are without sin they do not have the truth in them. I mean if a claimed Christian kills someone, is Christianity bad because of that too? Of course not, because true Christians who actually follow their religion know that that is pure evil and that our religion condemns that. Only the teachings of Christianity have a bearing on Christianity, not the actions of its claimed followers.

Really? So as long as I claim to be something, that means I am always what I claim to be? So if a person who is a man claims to be a woman is he now a woman for example? No. Likewise, the KKK claiming to be Christian is about as credible as anyone else who claims to be Christian who does the complete opposite of what Christianity teaches. I as a Catholic (sort of) would have been attacked and even killed by those people if you go far back enough, that’s half of the Christian population right there the KKK wanted to kill lol.

Yes, prejudice is wrong if it’s actual prejudice. I have no preconceived opinion that isn’t based on reason or experience.

That argument is stupid though. Come on, you have to admit that anyone invoking that verse is stupid. God also made certain people taller, does that mean we can add to the scripture and say that means he thinks taller people are better than shorter? Of course that, that would be dumb. Moses himself married a black woman in numbers 12 (in fact, read that chapter lol, that fits perfectly with what I’m talking about here. It deals with interracial marriage…).

Except there were… Who do you think Jesus’s followers were exactly? Christians lol. Where do you think we get the term Christian from? The apostles themselves mention that Christian is the term for a follower of Jesus.

“It has NOTHING to do with behaviour” well the objection by these people who don’t want to associate with these people DOES have to do with behavior, that’s the entire fking point I’ve been making here. If another man does something with another man or woman with another woman, that’s an action and that’s what is being taken issue with here. ACTIONS.

Chris

“These people are Christians in name only. A true Christian is not racist because racism is against Christianity.”

“No true Scotsman is a kind of informal fallacy in which one attempts to
protect a universal generalization from counterexamples by changing the
definition in an ad hoc fashion to exclude the counterexample.”

Conclusion: You and your interpretation of the bible don’t get to decide what a ‘true’ Christian is.

OldBut YoungMoney

That makes zero sense. Only one of us can be right in regards to if racism is right or not therefore only one of us can be a true Christian in this matter. Are you even serious?

Chris

Additionally if you’re going to criticize someone’s use of logic it’s wise to make sure your argument DOESN’T have logical fallacies.

OldBut YoungMoney

I’m pretty sure it doesn’t.

Chris

You’ve used ad hom fallacy, straw man fallacy, no true Scotsman fallacy, and on and on. But since you seem incapable of being civil then I forgive you and wish you a good day.

OldBut YoungMoney

Ad hom means I attack you instead of your argument as my argument. So basically, if you ran for office and you said that invading Iraq was a bad move and then I said whoa, we can’t trust this guy, he cheated on his wife, he doesn’t know what he’s talking about, than that’s ad hominem. You aren’t wrong because you cheated on your wife, but me trying to say you are wrong on Iraq because of that would be ad hominem. I never did that. I never said you were wrong because of you and not your argument essentially.

Straw man, when did I act like you argued something that you didn’t and then I proceeded to knock down an argument that you didn’t make that I claimed you made?

The Scotsman fallacy thing I just don’t get how I’m guilty. If I am guilty of it, then I’ll admit I made a mistake, but I really don’t get it. There is only one version of Christianity is true. Either racism is ok or it’s not, you cannot have it both ways and I’m saying they’re dead wrong and only one of us can be right. Let me make myself clear, all that is needed to go to heaven is a truly sincere belief in the true Jesus Christ, works based salvation is a lie and I think that the KKK do not believe in the true Jesus and they certainly don’t follow Christianity’s teachings on the topic.

Chris

“Who do you think Jesus’s followers were exactly? Christians lol.”

Bwahahaha. That’s a good one. They were jews of course. Oh, you were serious? Bwahahahaha.

OldBut YoungMoney

Anyone who claims a follower of Jesus isn’t a Christian is completely retarded lmfao.

Chris

Anyone who calls another retarded for pointing out a fact – the earliest Christians were Jews – is a bigot. See ya.

OldBut YoungMoney

A bigot is a person who is intolerant of other peoples’ opinions. So you leaving because I made you look stupid is the closest thing to something bigoted there is in this conversation. I never said that jews cannot be Christian but a BROTHER IN THE FAITH is a Christian and to be a brother in the faith, you must follow Jesus. The APOSTLES THEMSELVES used the term Christian…

Chris

“It has NOTHING to do with behaviour” well the objection by these people
who don’t want to associate with these people DOES have to do with
behavior, that’s the entire fking point I’ve been making here. If
another man does something with another man or woman with another woman,
that’s an action and that’s what is being taken issue with here.
ACTIONS.”

really so they abject to anal sex? Then do they go into their rooms to make sure they aren’t doing it? Don’t be rediculous. They were discriminated against BECAUSE they were homosexuals. If they were too exhausted to do anything except sleep these people would still have discriminated against them.

You don’t seem to use much in the way of logic here.

OldBut YoungMoney

I really cannot tell if you’re being serious sometimes or not. Read what I said, I said if man does SOMETHING (that means if homosexual acts take place) with another man or a woman with another woman then that’s what they object to, ACTIONS. It has nothing to do with who someone is. You shouldn’t be forced to associate with people who desire evil and openly so and then carries that evil out as well especially. You shouldn’t even be identifying as a sodomite if you don’t want people to say, whoa man, no thanks, just leave me alone.

Chris

“You are not a brother in Christ, hence Jesus calling the

Pharisees who were not brothers in Christ fools and vipers.”

Definition of double standard “any code or set of principles containing different provisions for one group of people than for another,…”

What you’ve just written is a double standard. Double standards are hypocrisy. Doesn’t that make you someone who just ‘claims’ to be a Christian? As you’ve said of the racist Christians? Or do different rules apply to you?

OldBut YoungMoney

A person who is racist is not being a true Christian in that matter, that is what I’m saying on this topic. Do you understand? I don’t understand where I had a double standard. Let me make something clear to you, the only requirement to be saved is to believe on Jesus truly… Just so you know… works based salvation is a lie. So when I say what I say, try to take that into account. I have a feeling that these racist pigs are not believing on the true Jesus.

Tony

I am Gender-fluid. They have not idea of what it is like to be different.
I have Cis-Gender friends the talk with me even on the phone and tell
me You are a girl or you sound like one. I am just being normal and
just talking. A few of my friends in-person say that same thing. I do
not know how to be and i am not trying to fake something i am not.
It is Not a Act for me. NOT
a Disease and NOT a Sin. ________________________________ Let
me Educate you a bit. By the way i am a Republican , >Not a
Libtard The Transgender
Brain development___________________________________ How
does the M to F Transgender? Like the normal male embryo,
the Male to female Transgender brain it starts out female
Then between the 8th and the 24th weeks, the “XY” chromosomes
introduce testosterone hormonal changes, BUT hormonal washes
as faulty. They are either insufficient or ill timed. When
this happens, the fetus develops a male body. However, some of
the default (original) female brain processes to remain intact.
Thus, the brain’s gender Identity remain intact. Thus,the brain
gender Identity remains Female. This means that Transgender males
whose process of a masculinization was incomplete, their default
female brains still function. The degree of arrested development
can very. The original brain circuitry that was missed in the
Masculinizing process provides a continuing Feminine influence.
this explains why many transgender, biological males know. from
as early as the age of 3 years old that they are actually members
of the opposite gender. You are born with this unlike Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual).
Though they too have some of the same traits. Gender is not sexuality but,
it may effect it.I know this in my own life.*** Ultimately everyone
needs and deserves love and be who they are in their Gender or who they
love. *** ***Trans-gender people are not the perverts and pedophiles
like 80% of the unintelligent population thinks. what Morons to think
badly. You Unintelligent fools to believe as this. You bring in the
Bible and talk about Homosexuals OK that is a sin . Trans-people are
Not the same as that. John 14:6 King James Version (KJV) 6 Jesus saith
unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the
Father, but by me. *** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile,
neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all
one in Christ Jesus.***__ I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i
am still a Christian. Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender
people have been around since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am
saved. Your Judgement on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the
first stone ! _ Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV) 7 Judge not, that
ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And
why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest
not the beam that is in thine own eye? We are ALL crated in His likeness
that is BOTH Male and Female.We are Created in his Likeness BOTH male and Female.
To make a Mix of the two in one person is Not sacrilegious. Judge not me, I am a
Christian as well. You can NOT pick am Choose which of GOD’s laws to follow. Sorry , i am a true Christian, Who of you is without Sin? Cast the first stone.

OldBut YoungMoney

Too much written.

Oboehner

Doesn’t matter, he has the special “R” by his name, Christians accept anything with that letter.

Puppy

Trump will enforce Martial Law In America before that happens. I doubt the peoples will ever get to vote for another president ever again.

cadcoke5

This is not a surprise, since he stated his support for this sort of thing before he was elected. Don’t blame me, I didn’t vote for either of the Democrats!

Emmanuel

amen, I did not vote for either heathen

Emmanuel

Christian Trump supporters, you claimed Trump to be the next Paul or Peter, how about now?
God is talking to us and we are not listening. The body of Christ is hurting and our election is more proof of it.

Robert

I fairly sure I voted for Trump and not Paul or Peter.

I think I figured out before hand he was a screaming liberal in this matter .which I did not like.

Chris

“I think I figured out before hand he was a screaming liberal in this matter .which I did not like.”

But it wasn’t enough to make you consider voting for someone else?

Robert

its unfair why only protect some sinners what about the rest of us sinners.

james blue

So should we revoke all big government anti discrimination and public accommodation laws?

Puppy

Peoples like you don’t seem to understand that Christians can hate sin but love the sinner. When our goverment and the courts defend LGBT as an acceptably way of life we are just as bad as Sodom and Gomorrah.

james blue

“People like me”?

You didn’t answer the question.

Chris

“…we are just as bad as Sodom and Gomorrah.”

You mean the two mythical cities of the plain?

Puppy

if we are real Christians we should be sharing the gospel of Christ to others who don’t know the Lord 2 Corinthians 4:4. We should forgive them and not be afraid because the Lord will speak through us. We are held accountable to God. He,expects us to be Jesus hands and feet to the world.

Michex

The new head of the Education Department, Mrs. De Vos, needs to expose the LGBTQ brainwashing agenda in schools.

johndoe

Back to your bigot friends at bar wire. There is no brainwashing agenda, LGBT or otherwise.

Michex

I have seen “gay pride” marches, and they are full of sexual anarchy: S and M, bondage, whips and chains, little kids dancing sexually, polygamists, and Satanic groups.
The pictures are on the Web for all to see.
That’s all one needs to know about the LGBTQ agenda.

You seem to think Christian festivals were always sedate and mild. Not so. Christmas, for example, used to be so roudy that the puritans banned it.

Christmas used to be celebrated by drunkenness and mobs who would elect a ‘king of misrule’ to lead them into debauchery. I’m surprised you don’t know this.

OldBut YoungMoney

Wouldn’t that be sinful to be drunkard? Lol, like I said, it sounds like you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Chris

“Wouldn’t that be sinful to be drunkard?”
Certainly the puritans thought so. However most Christians of that era did not.

“Lol, like I said, it sounds like you don’t know what you’re talking about.”

Ha, ha, ha. You sir are merely displaying ignorance and wishful thinking. Try going to Youtube and search for a video called “the drunken, pagan history of Christmas.” It’s most enlightening.

OldBut YoungMoney

Then they don’t truly believe God who says that being a drunkard is wrong. Again, like I have been saying, you don’t know what you’re talking about like at all.

Chris

“Then they don’t truly believe God when he says that being a drunkard is
wrong.”

Correction. I don’t believe your interpretation of the bible when it says this. I’m a Zoroastrian and my scripture says NOTHING about drunkenness.

“They’re doing exactly what I would condemn.”

And you get to dictate the behaviour of others because…?

“They’re doing what
the Bible itself says is wrong, Ephesians 5:18, “And do not get drunk
with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit”.”

Yet Christians still got drunk and still do for that matter.

“Again, like I have been saying, you don’t know what you’re talking about
like at all.”

You certainly don’t. What has what the bible says got anything to do with how Christmas was celebrated? Your entire argument was one long non-sequitur fallacy.

sandycm

All who call themselves Christians are not always Christians. Anyone can label themselves “Christian”, while behaving in the most unChristian ways.

Chris

I agree with you. However it is Christian doctrine that everyone is a sinner. Christians are merely sinners saved by grace. That being the case Christians who still behave in sinful ways is hardly unheard of. Additionally a Christian who is sinful doesn’t stop being a Christian because of their sin.

Taking all that into consideration I don’t think we can dismiss these people as merely calling themselves Christians. Why couldn’t they have been merely Christians who were sinful?

sandycm

????

johndoe

Been to Mardi gras?

sandycm

Yes, and other “ordinary” citizens can be arrested for doing/dressing the same on our public streets … for public nudity, lewdness, etc. Why is this allowed just because it’s called a “parade”?!

Chris

The difference may be intent. A flasher means to shock and startle their victim. Someone on a float means to do neither.

A second reason could well be financial. Parades bring tourist dollars to town. Flashers do not.

http://christianbriefing.com Christian Briefing.com

How many still think it’s not important to elect a president who’s a Christian, and who is strongly founded in biblical truth and godly understanding?

Michex

Christianity defines our culture.
America without Christianity would be a blob.

johndoe

Christianity only the Christian segment of our culture….nothing more

sandycm

Well, it DID define our culture … it was the start of our culture. We are now, however, seeing the result of America turning away from our Christian heritage.

Michex

Yes, but the main reason is that Christians are too nice.
They “turn the other cheek” when they should be using the same rough, tough, nasty tactics as the Satanic LGBTQ movement.
I don’t think that God wants people to be nice to Satan.
The Demonrats/Left/LGBTQ and non-Christian religions are behind a lot of the attack upon Christianity.

Emmanuel

Obviously, we got one in the WH now, for that past 8 years and the 8 years before that, and the 8 years before that too.

johndoe

The tyranny of the group that whines the loudest.

Nidalap

Sorry, Mr. President, you can’t make America great again while embracing the cultural rot.
It won’t gain you any points with them either. They need totalitarian-leaning officials to force their agenda on the populace. That’s why you always see would-be dictators sidling up to such groups. They’re quite helpful in funneling power to the central government…and ever-so-expendable afterwards…

james blue

Are big government anti discrimination and public accommodation laws that make it illegal to refuse goods, services and employment to Christians “totalitarian-leaning forcing of an agenda on the populace?

Royce E. Van Blaricome

No surprise here. This is just the first of many more ungodly policies that Trump will promote. What will be interesting to watch is how the hardcore Trumpites who profess to be Christian will fall all over themselves trying support him, their decision to vote for him, continue to call him a “baby Christian”, and be true to God all at the same time. How long will it take for them, and the likes of Jeffress and Falwell, Jr. to confess they were deceived, admit he’s no baby Christian, and admit he’s a son of disobedience and following the prince of this world just a Ephesians 2 says.

And how many simply won’t care because Trump puts more money in their pocket or makes it so they keep their job?

Stephen “Steve” Sponsler

Yeah..but the religious right wanted him in because he’s going to be our next god and make america great again?..and didn’t want Hillary because she supported gay rights like Mr Obama? The ‘religious’ right is going to have to make up their minds an figure out that their vote had nothing to do with their beliefs but their prejudices…

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Overall there may be some truth in what you say but in actuality their prejudices are their beliefs. One does what they believe. Not what they say.

However, you’re correct in that far too many self-professing Christians made Trump a god. He was a god made in their own image according to their own ways. Some of these were probably true Believers and will be disciplined for that. Some of them will come to a place of deep contrition for their rebellion against God, confess their sins, repent, be forgiven, and restored to a right relationship.

Though I sense you’re wrong in what you call “prejudices” as if there is something inherently wrong with a prejudice. There is not. Everyone is prejudiced to some degree. If they’re not then they’re truly a sociopath. The term “prejudice” or “bias” has come to automatically have a negative connotation to it but that is not truly the case. Even in today’s modern definition the word “unreasonable” or “preconceived” is used. Like, what does that mean? My goodness, just look at today! Who gets to decide what “reasonable” is?

The mistake that they made was not in their support for Trump because they thought he’d take us back to a nation “under God”, and eliminate such things as school-aged girls being required to shower with boys, but rather is failing to hold that we are not citizens of this kingdom but of The Kingdom.

Emmanuel

Notice that those that voted for him are not speaking up now. Where are they? Come out and play Christian Trump voters.
Trump had pharisees supporting him.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Trump also had true Believers supporting him and you’ve just borne false witness against everyone one of them. Now, just how do you think God feels about that? If you don’t know, read 1st John.

I did not vote for Trump. However, God’s Word now commands me to support him where I can and to pray for him. I will also be critical of him when he acts against God’s Word but that is only to let the Truth be known and the light shine on darkness. It doesn’t have anything to do with him.

I was simply saying that it should be no surprise to anyone that this happens and there will be much more to come. And I wanna see how long it takes before the likes of Jeffress and Falwell have to eat crow, confess, and repent. They were outspoken publicly – to the extent that Jeffress called every Believer who wold not vote for Trump based on their conscience and convictions a “namby-pamby, panty-waisted, weak-kneed Christian” – and so they must publicly confess and repent as well.

Emmanuel

I agree with you. They need to come out, repent and take back what they said. I too will be here to speak out when Trump is not following Biblical principles or he is playing the Christians. But just like Jesus called out the religious of his time, we should do the same. He called the pharisees what? He was not nice to them

Tony

I voted for Trump… It was better than Killery Rotten Cunton And the things she does and done to Americans.. I am Gender-fluid. They have not idea of what it is like to be different.
I have Cis-Gender friends the talk with me even on the phone and tell
me You are a girl or you sound like one. I am just being normal and
just talking. A few of my friends in-person say that same thing. I do
not know how to be and i am not trying to fake something i am not.
It is Not a Act for me. NOT
a Disease and NOT a Sin. ________________________________ Let
me Educate you a bit. By the way i am a Republican , >Not a
Libtard The Transgender
Brain development___________________________________ How
does the M to F Transgender? Like the normal male embryo,
the Male to female Transgender brain it starts out female
Then between the 8th and the 24th weeks, the “XY” chromosomes
introduce testosterone hormonal changes, BUT hormonal washes
as faulty. They are either insufficient or ill timed. When
this happens, the fetus develops a male body. However, some of
the default (original) female brain processes to remain intact.
Thus, the brain’s gender Identity remain intact. Thus,the brain
gender Identity remains Female. This means that Transgender males
whose process of a masculinization was incomplete, their default
female brains still function. The degree of arrested development
can very. The original brain circuitry that was missed in the
Masculinizing process provides a continuing Feminine influence.
this explains why many transgender, biological males know. from
as early as the age of 3 years old that they are actually members
of the opposite gender. You are born with this unlike Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual).
Though they too have some of the same traits. Gender is not sexuality but,
it may effect it.I know this in my own life.*** Ultimately everyone
needs and deserves love and be who they are in their Gender or who they
love. *** ***Trans-gender people are not the perverts and pedophiles
like 80% of the unintelligent population thinks. what Morons to think
badly. You Unintelligent fools to believe as this. You bring in the
Bible and talk about Homosexuals OK that is a sin . Trans-people are
Not the same as that. John 14:6 King James Version (KJV) 6 Jesus saith
unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the
Father, but by me. *** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile,
neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all
one in Christ Jesus.***__ I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i
am still a Christian. Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender
people have been around since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am
saved. Your Judgement on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the
first stone ! _ Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV) 7 Judge not, that
ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And
why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest
not the beam that is in thine own eye? We are ALL crated in His likeness
that is BOTH Male and Female.We are Created in his Likeness BOTH male and Female.
To make a Mix of the two in one person is Not sacrilegious. Judge not me, I am a
Christian as well. You can NOT pick am Choose which of GOD’s laws to follow.

Emmanuel

First, I am very educated. I studied psychology so I know what happens in the brain and body in development. Thank you for refreshing my memory of it.
Second, I don’t know you personally but I would enjoy talking to you over some coffee. I have met folks like yourself and they are great people. I am not speaking ill about how you feel or your biology. I know these underdevelopments occur, I’m not dumb to it.
third, I am happy you are saved and you are a Christian. I believe many homosexuals will be in heaven. Why? they repented of their sins, never returned to their sinful ways and stayed pure and holy. sin is an action, you go out and do it. Your biology is your biology. No sin in your development or biology. That is not a sin. The acting on it, is. I hope you understood that.
Fourth, The problem I have is with the churches. The churches do not preach this anymore. We all have to repent and never return to our sin. The churches are saying it’s not a sin to live a sin. The church needs to keep the standard that God set. We can not cross that line as a church.
By the way, you forget one verse where as a member of the body of Christ we can judge another christian. you might want to look that up.
The whole “don’t judge me” movement is a mute point.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

” I am happy you are saved and you are a Christian.”

Given all that “Tony” has said, why in God’s name would you say? He is calling God a Liar and you’re acknowledging that he’s saved and glad for it?

THAT is exactly what is wrong with the Church today. Giving people like “Tony” a false assurance! You just did EXACTLY what you criticized the churches for doing.

That’s what Jesus would call a Giant Sequoia Tree sticking outta your eye socket. The Truth is he’s NOT saved and NOT a Christian based on his own words.

Emmanuel

Royce, I don’t know him. If he’s wrong then he’s wrong but if he is trying to stay right, he knows the truth. he can’t get passed God. He is transgender but he knows that he can’t go out and live that lifestyle.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

If you don’t know him then you shouldn’t be saying your glad he’s a Christian. Jesus said Himself that most folks who profess to be Christian aren’t. Believers are sending the wrong message when that is done. NARROW is the path to Christ.

Beyond that Jesus said in Matt. 15:18 and Luke 6:45 that you can know someone by what comes out of their mouth. Tony repeatedly contradicts God’s Word – in essence calling Him a Liar, he twisted and misused Scripture just like Satan did and does, and he repeatedly shows a stubborn willingness to cling to his sin and deny what God has said about male and female.

So what more do you really need to know? And where does Tony say he knows he can’t go out and live that lifestyle? I know he knows because God has said so and made it clear to him but where does Tony acknowledge that? Everything he said to me in his reply to my post says just the opposite.

Emmanuel

Royce, you are the first person that comes after me when I speak ill of the bad pastors, like you defend them because you are one. Here I am talking to this guy, trying to talk/minister to him and here you are blasting me. We can throw rocks at each other but you are the first to come on here and defend the sinner. So let’s stop and see where this takes us. I know what I am doing.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

I’m not “coming after you”. I specifically addressed the comment you made where you said you were glad that a self-professed, unrepentant Transgender was a Christian. So why is it that you “come after” me for speaking the truth rather than confessing and repenting of your error?

Now, you’ve just accused me of defending a sinner. Please specify or stand guilty of making a false accusation against a child of God and bearing false witness.

As for the “when I speak ill of the bad pastors”, I don’t know what you’re referring to but you’d do well to see what God has to say about that too. Might look at what happened to Miriam when she spoke ill of Moses.

You know what you’re doing? Maybe. But you surely don’t know what God has to say about what you’re doing.

Emmanuel

Again, we could sit here and throw stones all day and get nowhere. Royce, you do your thing and I will do mine. We might not agree and that’s OK. But, we are on the same team.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

We might be on the same team but we are not playing the same game nor would we be teammates. Teammates work together for the same thing under the instruction of the coach.

You are playing in opposition to the team and the coach. When you call a practicing unrepentant sexually immoral Unbeliever a Brother, you’re inviting in someone to the family that doesn’t belong and placing a cancer in the Body of Christ. Scripture speaks numerous times about that. 1st Cor. 5 is just one VERY clear passage.

That’s just like the Pope saying all humans are “children of God”. That’s calling God a Liar because he clearly says otherwise in Eph. 2:1-4 as well as other places.

As for the ” “when I speak ill of the bad pastors”, God says, “He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous, both of them alike are an abomination to the Lord” (Proverbs 17:15). Do you enjoy being an abomination?

Lastly, there are a whole lot more folks on the Wide & Easy Road to damnation that will hear the words of Jesus in Matt. 7:21-23 who think they’re on the “same team” as well.

I’d strongly suggest you consider that and exercise 2nd Cor. 13:5.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

“It was better than Killery Rotten Cunton And the things she does and done to Americans.. ”

Thanks for proving once again that you are NOT a Christian.

Tony

I am Gender-fluid. They have not idea of what it is like to be different.
I have Cis-Gender friends the talk with me even on the phone and tell
me You are a girl or you sound like one. I am just being normal and
just talking. A few of my friends in-person say that same thing. I do
not know how to be and i am not trying to fake something i am not.
It is Not a Act for me. NOT
a Disease and NOT a Sin. _______________________________———-_

Let me Educate you a bit. By the way i am a Republican , >Not a
Libtard

The Transgender Brain development
___________________________________

How does the M to F Transgender? Like the normal male embryo,
the Male to female Transgender brain it starts out female
Then between the 8th and the 24th weeks, the “XY” chromosomes
introduce testosterone hormonal changes, BUT hormonal washes
as faulty. They are either insufficient or ill timed. When
this happens, the fetus develops a male body. However, some of
the default (original) female brain processes to remain intact.
Thus, the brain’s gender Identity remain intact. Thus,the brain
gender Identity remains Female. This means that Transgender males
whose process of a masculinization was incomplete, their default
female brains still function. The degree of arrested development
can very. The original brain circuitry that was missed in the
Masculinizing process provides a continuing Feminine influence.
this explains why many transgender, biological males know. from
as early as the age of 3 years old that they are actually members
of the opposite gender. You are born with this unlike Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual).
Though they too have some of the same traits. Gender is not sexuality but,
it may effect it.I know this in my own life.*** Ultimately everyone
needs and deserves love and be who they are in their Gender or who they
love. *** ***Trans-gender people are not the perverts and pedophiles
like 80% of the unintelligent population thinks. what Morons to think
badly. You Unintelligent fools to believe as this. You bring in the
Bible and talk about Homosexuals OK that is a sin . Trans-people are
Not the same as that. John 14:6 King James Version (KJV) 6 Jesus saith
unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the
Father, but by me. *** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile,
neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all
one in Christ Jesus.***__ I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i
am still a Christian. Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender
people have been around since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am
saved. Your Judgement on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the
first stone ! _ Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV) 7 Judge not, that
ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And
why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest
not the beam that is in thine own eye? We are ALL crated in His likeness
that is BOTH Male and Female.We are Created in his Likeness BOTH male and Female.
To make a Mix of the two in one person is Not sacrilegious. Judge not me, I am a
Christian as well. You can NOT pick am Choose which of GOD’s laws to follow.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

“I am Gender-fluid”.

No, you are NOT! There is NO such thing. I can say I’ma a polka-dotted pink unicorn but that don’t make me one. You’re either a simple disobedient, rebellious Sinner who’s chosen to cling to their sin and fulfill the lusts of their Flesh, mentally-ill, demon-possessed, self-deluded child of wrath, or a reprobate that has been turned over due to rejecting God one too many times.

You can cling to your sin and fulfill the lusts of your Flesh or you can surrender as a slave to the Lord Jesus Christ, cling to Him, and fulfill God’s will for your life.

As for the way you talk that’s just ridiculous. I know good Christian men who if one didn’t know better would think they’re as queer as a three-dollar bill.

YES it is SIN. And NO you are not a Christian! See Matt. 7:21-23.

As for your educating me, didn’t work. Let me try to educate you:

“There is a way which seems right to a man,
But its end is the way of death.” (Prov. 14:12)

As for all you rationalizing and justifying, you can continue to have faith in that nonsense and call God an impotent Liar or you can surrender to Christ and believe what God has said. It’s not rocket science and pretty simple.

“I know this in my own life.” See the above Proverb.

“*** Ultimately everyone needs and deserves love and be who they are in their Gender or who they love. ***”

Thank you for showing you truly have NO idea what it means to be a Christian, nor any concept of Grace, nor what ALL humans truly deserve.

“Trans-gender people are not the perverts and pedophiles like 80% of the unintelligent population thinks”

Yes, they are. And the reason 80% of the population thinks that is because they still have the God-given conscience (Rom. 2:15) to know so. They’re not fooled by your phony psychobabble and ramblings of which it is nothing more than attempt to rationalize your sin. There’s NO such proof for that whatsoever.

And beyond that, even IF that were true, which it’s not, but IF it were it would be no different than a Homosexuals SSA. Just because someone has a desire does NOT mean they must act on it!!!!

I am a healthy heterosexual man who has not been married now for almost 7yrs but that doesn’t mean I have to go bed every woman I see whenever the urge strikes me!

As for your quoting Scripture, I would remind you that Satan quoted Scripture to Jesus.

When the spiritually dead try to read the Book of Life it’s like a blind man trying to read a road map before hopping in the car to drive. You have to get a heart transplant before you can have eyes to see. The fact that you do not agree with God and instead do your father, Satan’s, bidding by attempting to deceive others is proof that you still have the Jeremiah 17:9 heart.

“The unbeliever does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him. And he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1st Cor. 2:14)

“There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.” (2nd Peter 3:16)

John MacArthur, in his blog entitled “Why Does Sola Scriptura Matter” said, “Nothing is more offensive to the Author of Scripture than to disregard, deny, or distort the truth He has revealed (Revelation 22:18–19). To mishandle the Word of God is to misrepresent the One who wrote it. To reject its claims is to call Him a liar. To ignore its message is to snub that which the Holy Spirit inspired.”

Folks would do well to remember that before saying such things as “God says…” or “The Bible says…” When you say such things you step into the shoes of a prophet and basically say, “Thus saith the Lord…” Twist not the Scriptures lest you be like Satan.

That said, IF you haven’t already committed blasphemy of the Spirit and IF you haven’t already been turned over to a reprobate mind, and IF you hear God’s voice drawing you to Christ again (See John 6:44), and IF you will die to yourself by surrendering your life as a slave to Christ and stop being your own god, confess your sins before Christ, pick up your cross and follow Him as your new Lord and Master, and beg Him to save you, He will. Then you will be able to see. (Matt. 16:24)

” I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian. ”

YES, you were created by God. NO you are not transgender. THAT is a label YOU have put on yourself. What you are right now is a God-hating, Enemy of God, son of disobedience, and child of wrath who follows the course of this world and the prince of power of the air who is on his way to eternal torment in the Lake of Fire. (Rev. 21:8)

And NO, you most definitely are NOT a Christian. Can’t call God a Liar and be following Jesus. What you’ve done is create a jesus (note the small “j”) in your image, your ways, and your will. Pretty typical of those who want to believe in a god and cling to their sin. Again, see Matt. 7:13-23.

“Judge not lest ye be judged.”

AGAIN, you’ve shown yourself as a Poser and Biblically ignorant. Jesus Himself actually COMMANDS His followers TO judge. THAT regurgitated pabulum is perhaps the most often repeated lie from Satan and his minions to be told today. If you had just bothered to look it up, you might’ve actually read the next four verses and seen it’s not a command not to judge but rather an instruction on HOW to judge that is perfectly consistent with Christ’s command TO judge!!

One last thing. There really is NO excuse for your disobedience, Biblical ignorance, and rebellion. In today age a simple Google search can provide you with all the Truth you could ask for.

“The Trans-gender people have been around since before Jesus was on earth.”

Perhaps, and they’ve all wound up in the same place for Eternity unless they confessed and agreed with God and then repented.

“John 3:16 i am saved. ”

John 3:19-20. NO, you are NOT. John 14:15. 15:10.

It is no surprise that you quote Matt. 7:1-3 and stop before quoting Verse 4 & 5!! Just like Satan, your father. I hope you still have enough conscience to be convicted by that and repent.

“We are ALL crated in His likeness that is BOTH Male and Female.We are Created in his Likeness BOTH male and Female. To make a Mix of the two in one person is Not sacrilegious.”

So says you, the son of disobedience and child of wrath who calls God a Liar. Now let’s see what God says:

“God created MAN in HIS own image, in the image of God HE created HIM; MALE and FEMALE HE created them. (Gen. 1:27)

“To the woman He said,
“I will greatly multiply
Your pain in childbirth,
In pain you will bring forth children;
Yet your desire will be for your husband,
And he will rule over you.” (Gen. 3:16)

Good luck with that one Bud!

“And HE answered and said, “Have you not read that HE who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE” (Matt. 19:4)

“For man does not originate from woman, but woman from man; for indeed man was not created for the woman’s sake, but woman for the man’s sake.” (1st Cor. 11:8-9)

“Judge not me, I am a Christian as well.”

Again you show your Biblical ignorance and what the Apostle Paul wrote. Which is too bad because you might actually see what Paul would say to you in 1st Cor. 5. NO, you are NOT a Christian.

Finally, I’ll leave you with your own words… “You can NOT pick am Choose which of GOD’s laws to follow.”

And you are going to find that out one day. Rev. 21:8

Jenny Ondioline

Why is it that if you reject the scientific definition you are a “sinner”?

Royce E. Van Blaricome

“Science” has nothing to do with it. A “Sinner” is one who rejects God and His Ways.

You’re not seeking, Jenny. Just still being disobedient and rebellious.

Jenny Ondioline

Sin is your invention, not mine. This isn’t disobedience. This is using the brain I was given.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Not my invention. Thanks for showing your continued rebellion and rejection of God’s Word. You’ll see just how far that brain of yours will take you and what you got from it one day. And you’re not gonna like what you find.

Now, feel free to stop trolling this CHRISTIAN site and take your sin elsewhere. You’d do well to remember that God will not be mocked and there does come a time when his patience will run out. I’d suggest you not keep tempting Him.

“You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. (John 8:44)

Jenny Ondioline

You’re led by indoctrination.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Having a little trouble reading English I see. Well, let me repeat myself…

“You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. (John 8:44)

Jenny Ondioline

Just like everyone else on this planet with a religion.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Not even close. Jesus said HE is the ONLY Way. The Holy Spirit ONLY indwells the children of God. And THAT is NOTHING like your religion.

But hey, thanks for showing that you were lying all along about being a Seeker. No surprise because I knew you weren’t for God says so.

“as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” (Rom 3:10-12)

I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to shine the light on your continued lies.

Jenny Ondioline

You have a disease, it is called fundamentalism. It has robbed you of kindness, compassion, empathy, tolerance, patience, and especially humility. I wouldn’t wish your belief system on my worst enemy.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

LOL. Let’s look at what you just accused me of. This’ll give much insight into your intelligence and ability to reason.

First, let’s look at the definition of what “Fundamental” means:

“forming a necessary base or core; of central importance”

Well, boy howdy, I surely would hate to be you or anyone else who forms a belief system without a “necessary” “base” or “core”!! Of course that is of “central importance”!!!

But, of course, since you are a God-hating spiritually-dead Enemy of God who has NO “necessary base or core” it’s not all that hard to see how you would think it is a disease to actually have a foundation.

Now, do I really need to breakdown for you what a “Disease” is??????

And no, Fundamentalism hasn’t robbed me one iota of kindness, compassion, empathy, tolerance, patience, or humility. None of those. What it has done is reveal and understanding of what those actually mean.

Unfortunately for you, what you have is not a disease. It’s called SIN. But there is a cure for it. His name is Jesus!! All you have to do is surrender as a slave to Him.

Until then, I wouldn’t wish your belief system on anybody!!

But hey, thanks for showing AGAIN that you were lying all along about being a Seeker. No surprise because I knew you weren’t for God says so.

“as it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” (Rom 3:10-12)

I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to shine the light on your continued lies AND that you have NO base or core to what you believe.

Jenny Ondioline

I know what “Christian fundamentalist” means. So did Barry Goldwater when he said:

“Mark my word, if and when these preachers get control of the
[Republican] party, and they’re sure trying to do so, it’s going to be a
terrible damn problem. Frankly, these people frighten me. Politics and
governing demand compromise. But these Christians believe they are
acting in the name of God, so they can’t and won’t compromise. I know,
I’ve tried to deal with them.”

That’s your problem in a nutshell. You’re so convinced you speak for God that you won’t allow any compromise. Non-fundamentalists are at least reasonable.

Royce E. Van Blaricome

Good. Once again you prove God’s Word true when he said, “They shall ALL be without excuse.”

You’re absolutely right that I’m convinced I speak for God. I’ve been commissioned to do so. Lots of people speak for God. Some truthfully and rightfully. Some with lies and falsely.

God doesn’t compromise so NOBODY speaking for God will either. Non-fundamentalists – ergo, Non-Christians, who comprise what God has said might seem reasonable to you and that makes perfect sense too for God has said:

“There is a way which seems right to a man,
But its end is the way of death.” Prov. 14:12

“Trust in the LORD with all your heart
And do not lean on your own understanding.
In all your ways acknowledge Him,
And He will make your paths straight.
Do not be wise in your own eyes;
Fear the LORD and turn away from evil.” Prov. 3:5-7

So, it’s actually YOUR problem. Not mine. But thanks for giving me another opportunity to shine the Light and God’s Truth on your lies and thank you for continuing to show yourself as a child of Satan.

Grace Kim Kwon

LGBTQ should be treated as a sin. Christianity and immorality are incompatible.

http://maxfur.com/ Max T. Furr

A hell of a lot of things are incompatible with Christianity. I’m sure you want the government to stay out of your life. Why do you think you should use the government to impose your religious beliefs on the lives of others?

Grace Kim Kwon

Because Christian belief alone is moral and protects everyone properly. De-christianized West forces sexual immorality upon mankind including children and also funds infanticide and suicide in the world. The West needs Christian beliefs to be moral and do what is right. Paganisms conduct barbarisms, and Ex-christian West conducts Sodomic atrocities. Both are human-rights abusers. Christianity alone brings human rights, literacy, freedom, and justice to all. If Christians do not have religious freedom, such society has no freedom or justice. It’s that way everywhere on earth.

Grace Kim Kwon

You modern secular Westerners are weird. Why do you think you can separate your civilization from Christianity? The Western civilization is nothing and just another case of illiterate savagery if you had no Church. The West is nothing apart from Christianity as man is nothing apart from his conscience.

I agree that any sexual deviation such as homosexuality is sinful because the Bible has proven true to me, but our mission as Christians is to help them realize that sexual deviation is sinful and un-natural.
Most of them are decent people whom are making a horrible mistake that can cast them into hell, we must warn them with compassion and logic, not hate. They are in danger and need help.
President Trump merely stated that any LGBT people should not be discriminated against when it comes to employment and that they should not be the victims of violence and oppression.

http://maxfur.com/ Max T. Furr

That you feel they are “wrong” in the way they manage their lives, is your religious belief that not everyone shares. But I applaud your bowing to our constitution that says they have as much right to manage their own love lives as you have.

Mark

Yes. We can be Americans, and still agree to have different religious views.

http://maxfur.com/ Max T. Furr

This is a molecule of good under a mountain of damage he is causing the U.S. in businesses and 10s of thousands of innocent people. I fully expect his croney head of the DOJ to back him up on his full intent to ban people because of their religious beliefs.

Tony

I am Gender-fluid. They have not idea of what it is like to be different.
I have Cis-Gender friends the talk with me even on the phone and tell
me You are a girl or you sound like one. I am just being normal and
just talking. A few of my friends in-person say that same thing. I do
not know how to be and i am not trying to fake something i am not.
It is Not a Act for me. NOT
a Disease and NOT a Sin. ________________________________ Let
me Educate you a bit. By the way i am a Republican , >Not a
Libtard The Transgender
Brain development___________________________________ How
does the M to F Transgender? Like the normal male embryo,
the Male to female Transgender brain it starts out female
Then between the 8th and the 24th weeks, the “XY” chromosomes
introduce testosterone hormonal changes, BUT hormonal washes
as faulty. They are either insufficient or ill timed. When
this happens, the fetus develops a male body. However, some of
the default (original) female brain processes to remain intact.
Thus, the brain’s gender Identity remain intact. Thus,the brain
gender Identity remains Female. This means that Transgender males
whose process of a masculinization was incomplete, their default
female brains still function. The degree of arrested development
can very. The original brain circuitry that was missed in the
Masculinizing process provides a continuing Feminine influence.
this explains why many transgender, biological males know. from
as early as the age of 3 years old that they are actually members
of the opposite gender. You are born with this unlike Gay/Lesbian/Bisexual).
Though they too have some of the same traits. Gender is not sexuality but,
it may effect it.I know this in my own life.*** Ultimately everyone
needs and deserves love and be who they are in their Gender or who they
love. *** ***Trans-gender people are not the perverts and pedophiles
like 80% of the unintelligent population thinks. what Morons to think
badly. You Unintelligent fools to believe as this. You bring in the
Bible and talk about Homosexuals OK that is a sin . Trans-people are
Not the same as that. John 14:6 King James Version (KJV) 6 Jesus saith
unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the
Father, but by me. *** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile,
neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all
one in Christ Jesus.***__ I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i
am still a Christian. Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender
people have been around since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am
saved. Your Judgement on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the
first stone ! _ Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV) 7 Judge not, that
ye be not judged. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 3 And
why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest
not the beam that is in thine own eye? We are ALL crated in His likeness
that is BOTH Male and Female.We are Created in his Likeness BOTH male and Female.
To make a Mix of the two in one person is Not sacrilegious. Judge not me, I am a
Christian as well. You can NOT pick am Choose which of GOD’s laws to follow.

kc

As a Christian, I watched my congregation run headfirst to this candidate because they were confident he was on our side with this issue and abortion. Nothing I could say would convince them that he only promised to support Christians on homosexuality, marriage laws and abortion to get our vote. “Look at all the terrible things he says and does despite his promises,” I told them. With that said, they’d probably vote for him again for some other reason, for which I cannot understand. Guess you can be a Christian, like me, without being a “Conservative”.

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