Gran Turismo 6 Track Maker Currently in Beta Testing

The all-new Track Maker (or “Course Maker”) has been one of the most highly anticipated features in Gran Turismo 6 since it was first officially announced back in November, but there’s been no word on its status since the game’s release.

Yesterday, Kazunori Yamauchi addressed the issue in comments on Reddit, offering reassurance that development on the feature is still moving forward:

“…the Beta version [of the Track Maker] is already working and in my hands now. When we can deliver it to users is still up in the air.”

Kazunori’s choice of words, “in my hands now”, is likely in reference to the mobile app component of the Track Maker, which uses a smartphone to record GPS coordinates to re-build real roads in the game.

This feature, available at a later stage through an update, will allow you to create your own custom tracks that can be driven in the game. Additionally, in another update we will add the possibility to generate a track by capturing the GPS coordinate data of a mobile app while you are driving that course. This GPS-generated tracks will be available in the game as playable content.

Expect(ing) all new (fundamentally different) Gran Turismo “Course Maker” in August 2014, exclusively on Gran Turismo 6 for PlayStation 3.

Jul. 17, 9:33am

karelpipa

SO, its been almost a month, any news? Release 2015 or 2016?

Jul. 7, 8:16am

InebriHATED

Ive been playing GT since its inception and the track editor was pretty much all I was looking forward to in the new GT. The game has been collecting dust for months. I have since moved on, Assetto Corsa on PC destroys GT and its only in alpha stage. Anybody on here that owns a PC download Assetto Corsa. The tire model/sounds alone are enough to make you easily forget about getting the shaft on features from PD.

Jul. 8, 5:28am

Adamaw11

Does Assetto Corsa have a decent career mode? that could win me over.

If another game is only really an improvement in sound an graphics, it doesn’t impress me much.

I want a game that includes a comprehensive selection of street cars with comprehensive, realistic tuning, and accurately modeled performance.

A track editor is cool, but not the reason I got the game, its annoying they didn’t deliver what they marketed on release though. I can admit it was fairly cheap when new.

Jul. 8, 8:27am

MeanElf

And yet another comparison between a PS3 and a PC game…

Jul. 8, 1:36pm

SZRT Ice

@ Elf, I’d consider a Wii U game, if it had better features and was entertaining to play. This push for better graphics doesn’t entice me as much as a game fully fleshed out with a great career mode, progression, and features would. Regardless of what system their on. Heck, I still download PSOne classics!

Jul. 15, 6:50pm

Pit Crew

@Mean Elf; Agreed.

Jul. 5, 9:08am

GTRyan32

Bahahahahahaa,

“Some of us bought the game because of the extra features” (that aren’t there yet). A truly idiotic thing to do.

Meanwhile I bought the game due to the immediately available content on the disc and when extra stuff comes out I am pleasantly surprised.

Patience……if you keep whinging Polyphony digital might just stop all the extra (free) crap just to spite you.

Jul. 5, 3:46pm

Johnnypenso

Yes, because that’s how major corporations with millions of customers behave…the do stuff to their customer base out of spite. *facepalm*

Okay…
1st: You own GT5 or ever play a GT game before? If not, then maybe, I can believe your ridiculous comment, but if so.
BWAHAHAAAA!!!

2nd: Delete every update the game has had so far and play the game as it was upon release and then tell me who feels like an idiot!!!

3rd: Bwaaahaahaaa!!!! Everything else you said is just DUMB!!! Just to “spite” us? Yeah, that’ll show us! While other developers close in on consumer interest and broadening their product offerings, if PD… Bwahhahaahaaa!!! Wtf?!?! Why am I explaining this?!?

Pleasantly surprised by the late arrival of content planned to be included and even used in pre-release marketing for GT6?!? Bwahahaahaaa BWAHAAHAAHAAAHAAJAAA!!!!!

What’s idiotic, is you truly believe that PD will hold back content they gave us reason to believe would be in the game eventually, just because we “complain” about it not being available 7-8 months into the games lifespan. “SMH”

Jul. 4, 5:13am

aboe

Shame the story is so short but at least it provides us with some information with regards the current status of the new feature, which I’m looking forward to.
If it provides near-perfect freedom-to-create then it’ll be exciting to see some of the (almost inevitable) real-life tracks that people attempt to recreate…especially if they become available to download through some sort of community gallery or something.

Potentially exciting times await :)

Jul. 2, 10:27pm

liv4hardstyle

Wow this is getting alarmingly out of hand. Just be careful guys or the team at PD will make a tv series out of this instead of focusing on the game. Its getting sad.

Jul. 2, 8:07pm

HoneyBadger

“It starts with both people that are happy and people who are not happy with GT agreeing that everyone’s entitled to their opinions and not attacking, disrespecting, or belittling others for having an opinion that’s different. ”

+1

Jul. 2, 4:53am

kollosson

No body has any clue what PD’s intentions are, people are assuming this and that and having an argument about it, its completely futile. I’m sure if PD were more open with what they were doing we would have a lot less of this rubbish, I mean if they said the course maker is in the beta stage and we expect it to be ready in a few weeks everyone would probably calm down. I think what it shows is that PD and Kaz have no interest in all the sensless gibbering on this site, I know if I was Kaz I would visit these forums once and never come back.

Jul. 2, 10:24am

jhw93

I agree with your post, If I was kaz and saw some of the comments on here, I’d think screw you and not bother. Also we can’t really expect PD to be constantly updating us with every bit of information because they’re busy and obviously a lot of the stuff is not ready to be spoken about.

Unfortunately for PD, they’re now stuck in a situation where people on here are scrutinising their every action. IF PD don’t say much, people complain, if PD do say something then people will still mock them and find something to moan about.

I complete sympathy and backing of genuine complaints that are constructive and make sense. What I dislike is these people with this self-righteous attitude that will go out of their way to just bash the game and the company.

Even if PD did give a rough estimate of when the track creator would be release, you’d still get lots of people making sly comments about PD not making the deadline. If I was PD i’d just say nothing until a feature is ready to release. It’s awesome that PD have set up a blog and communicate more frequently now but it just gives trolls something to mock.

Jul. 2, 12:02pm

Roxa_p

Good point..

It started with GT5 proloog and the relaese of GT5. It had taken so long that Kaz probably wanted to give us GT6 unfinished so whe could already play the game and stop complain about taking another 5years to complete GT6.

Looks like it didn’t help.

I like the progression on GT6 tough i’d like to see the track editor soon, but i prefer it to be finished instead of getting a half finished product. I’l be patient. i hope others will be patient too.

Jul. 4, 4:08pm

Master Weasel

@jhw93:

“If I was kaz and saw some of the comments on here, I’d think screw you and not bother.”

That’s a childish way to react. News flash: everything under the sun gets criticized, especially when you make a product people PAY MONEY for. Either learn how to deal with it and keep moving forward or go home instead of being a victim.

Jul. 4, 5:08pm

Magic Ayrton

I agree Master Weasel, they won’t have any more customers.. so saying “screw you” isn’t advisable in business. Stupid idea.

Jul. 5, 7:59am

SZRT Ice

Glad I wasn’t the first to say it. But yeah, if either of you two were Kaz, the GT series probably would’ve never been successful. You’d make a GT only you cared about and ignore the voices of the masses and end up with far less sales than GT6 already has. Chances are, you’d probably cave and start doing whatever it takes and renig on those very words. So, as good as your statements sound to your own ears, in reality they’re likely the last thing you’d do. I’ll just be thankful that neither of you are Kaz and keep it movin’.

Jul. 1, 6:22pm

sangdude82

Jesus. Some people have been writing novels in here…

Jul. 2, 3:01pm

SZRT Ice

Hmm, that’s not a bad idea…
Lol.

Jul. 3, 7:53pm

Johnnypenso

Go for it Ice…lol

Jul. 1, 5:16pm

wudy201

well diagree sorry but do. It may not be what some want but all those features said before anybody bought the game that they will come in a future update and not a specific update so anybody that bought the game bought it knowing that so they havent misled or lied to anybody. Id be pretty sure its been a priority since day one and nobody has proof that says it hasnt been and so is every other update and improvement thats been and will be out bottom line when its done its done and we will get it. as for vgt being less important thats just opinion it was advertised the same way as all the other features just so happens we’ve been getting vgt cars before we got ghe course maker. The hard part(at least what I would assume to be the hard part in creating the car) is done by the company whos car it is and gt puts it in the game mabey thats a fairly easy thing to do so thats why they keep coming I dont know but if its fiished and ready to be put in the game than dont it make sense to put it in. I too am anxious for the course creator and think GT6 is short on content hell I bought an xbox andforza 4 since I completed GT6 in a week so I had something new and different to race. I do think somethings were misled mostly the new track that seemedtobe coming in Feb and I would of thought by now we would of had some sort of dlc and more a spec/career mode races added I really thought b spec and endurance races would have been pjt out but we are getting content just not what most want and there seems to be a better line of communication starting from PD so all we can do is hope things will pick up and nothing else anybody does is going to change anything just dont buy GT7 if a point is trying to be made.

Jul. 1, 12:00pm

SZRT Ice

Lol @ this “8 months is reasonable” stuff. Under typical, pre-release circumstances, it would be. But 8 months from when? Release Date? Lmao, you guys are talking as if the “Course Maker” is an afterthought and PD just began production on it the day GT6 dropped!

The Track Editor (Course Maker), Club Racing, & Community Features should have been FIRST OUT THE DOOR because they are what make GT6 NEW and PLAYABLE (Enjoyable). They should have been day 1, week one, or MONTH ONE updates with a 3 MONTH WINDOW for delays and glitch/bug fixes. They are the BULK of GT6’s ACTUAL NEW CONTENT. It’s what’s going to actually GIVE US SOMETHING TO DO IN GT6. They are the REASON [many of the] people who owned GT5 seen a purpose in even purchasing GT6 (that & the fact that they now have no other options in regards to getting their GT Online fix). So they SHOULD have been given PRIORITY, even OVER the VGT PROJECT (I dare anyone to disagree).

@ Angel:
I 115.5% agree that they likely had to rework/remake the Course Maker they had from the ground up. PD claimed that the new engine that GT6 is built on is flexible and portable to the PS4. This leads me to believe that GT7 isn’t entirely a port/upgraded GT6, but that GT6 is actually a scaled back GT7 running on an enhanced engine created for the PS4 to handle enhanced graphical, lighting, and other demanding features, yet scaled back to maybe like 30-35% due to the PS3’s limitations. Which if is the case, they had a ready and working course maker on the PS4, the engine was working great with the rest of the game on the PS3 dev kits they were using, so they assumed the Course Maker would port with a little bit of effort. Thus the “close to making it on time for release” and “GT7 could follow after GT6 in as little as a year” etc. statements.

They likely overestimated the abilities of the engine they built because it had worked well enough so far and they weren’t expecting it to cap out so fast. The problem likely rests in the fill rate the PS3 can handle and the limitations of the adaptive tessellation to render the on-screen content fast enough. They’ve likely tried everything from reducing track-side objects, to limiting draw distance and are teter-tottering on a trackside object, draw distance, cars per track ratio that the PS3 can manage with an editor of that magnitude.

So a revision was likely made and they are now in the Beta of the revised track editor. Which if true, is FINE. If any of my my guesses are true, it is FINE. My only question is WHY DON’T THEY JUST TELL US? Waiting for these features is like waiting for the game to actually be released! It hasn’t gone “gold” yet, and they haven’t even given a release date! I’m glad for those who are enjoying GT6 as is, congratulations, I’m really happy for you, but I and many others are not. End of.

Jul. 1, 12:58pm

MeanElf

My, that’s a lot of capitalisation…

Seeing as you dared anyone – I regrettably have to disagree with the sweeping observation that the core updates should have had priority over the VGT. I thought that it was pretty much considered a moot point that the release times are down to the car manufacturers, so not entirely in PD’s hands.

Ideally yes, I agree that it would have been more fun to have the features sooner, but they still aren’t late until after December – there have been plenty of forum posts about that already.

Jul. 1, 1:07pm

fatkid

It truely does seem that PD live in their own world. I pre ordered GT6 in the hope of experiencing the comunity features and the so called (advanced) track maker which was to be superior to GT5’s track creator,within the first few months. I was even willing to pay for the monthly dlc. It seems almost arrogant of them to think that GT is the only racing game that matters, that we should be willing to wait so long for the most anticipated features. I cannot lie, I am looking forward to the track creator to see how it is implemented. But I doubt I will utilise it as much as I would have liked a few months ago; almost all the people that I would have played the created tracks with have moved on to other games. Foolishly, out of some hopeful, optimistic, devotion, I wait patiently. Sad but true. I think I need to start looking somewhere else. You testing people’s patience PD. And you are laughing to the bank.

Jul. 1, 1:34pm

jhw93

Can we stop b*tching about this course maker and ‘late’ update business now please. It’s got to the point where it’s not even about making genuine points anymore, it’s more about trying to prove ourselves right and other people wrong.

I couldn’t give a toss about the course maker to be fair so it does not bother me. I understand that people want it but what other sim racing games have a course maker? It’s not like its a particularly standard feature in the genre that you’d expect from every sim driving game.

Just chill out and enjoy the game, PD will keep updating GT6 till GT7 comes out. It’s probably gonna be about a good year or so left until GT7 arrives, that’s plenty of time for PD to add plenty more content for us to enjoy.

Jul. 1, 6:39pm

Johnnypenso

“I couldn’t give a toss about the course maker to be fair so it does not bother me”
You don’t care, others do. Some people bought the game because of the extra features. Is it so hard to understand why they are disappointed that they aren’t here yet?

Jul. 1, 6:50pm

Aussie_HSV

Personally I would prefer to see B-Spec.
Not knowing the full details, but arguably it would double the Career mode, plus could possibly bring with it longer Endurance races.
So there’s a feature I’m disappointed about not having it implemented yet.
But you don’t see me calling for Kaz to be removed and all the other ridiculous insults you see thrown around on these pages simply because the update hasn’t landed yet.
There’s complaining, and then there’s way OTT complaining.
Pretty sure it’s the latter that makes people respond the way they do towards some posts here.

Jul. 2, 3:59am

MeanElf

Just a quick comment in response to fatkid’s post above. You say: “It seems almost arrogant of them to think that GT is the only racing game that matters, that we should be willing to wait so long for the most anticipated features…”

I’m not sure where you are seeing arrogance. I mean it’s not as if PD are purposefully witholding the content. Going on past comments, they seem to continue working hard, as do pretty much all game developers. True, communication would be better than leaving the ball in the in, but surely we are used to that by now…after fifteen years? So I repeat, where is the arrogance if it has always been this way?

Now that they have started to communicate via the blog, maybe you’ll get the info. I hope so. As for your friends – don’t they ever go back and play a game again? I mean The Last of Us and quite a few other games had DLC that extended them at a later date – people came back for those…or do they just play currently ‘in’ games, then move on?

Jul. 2, 4:05am

MeanElf

Interesting observations about the PS4 and PS3 dev-kits Ice.

Jul. 2, 2:26pm

biftizmo

Nice interesting conversation..much better…personly I ‘m more into the forward thinking ..about how things might pan out From ps3 /4 gt6/7..
We may assume that GT will carry forward in the same vain as in the layout and function of the interface may remain the same…newer tracks a newer car models…as well as a mix of the old…(side thought as any one had exsperance of the touch screen phacilaty mentiond at launch) …there’s no question that features are missing so far from GT6.. This may be the complicated bit….comunity features and the “world is your” GPS track editer may be web based..an extra online server may be required and must be compatable going forward to GT7 PS4..some off this stuff may be out the hands of PD..they may be reliant on a PSN compatibility for messaging and sharing. As for the GPS mobile connectivity I can’t see how this may work directly with PS3 or 4.here’s hoping for a PSHOME type thing for GT…just a thought! P.s no one need take me seriously.

Jul. 2, 3:00pm

SZRT Ice

Guys, let me digress for a second… Many of you may think I’m just ignorantly spewing venom to attack Kaz & company for no reason, but I’m not.

I’m not stressing that it’s not out yet, it’s this bs scale of time that they use calling things “close”, “almost there”, “might make it, but I’m uncertain” etc. that’s annoying me. I believe that if they would of said back in Dec. where they “actually” were in development with the track editor, they know, people likely wouldn’t have bought GT6 right away and would’ve instead waited to see how things panned out (which by the sales, is likely what many are still doing). So either they knew this, and intentionally misled people with unofficial information in hopes of boosting interest/sales, or something ended being more difficult then they 1st assumed. Either way, the told us the job they were gonna do, took our money for the job, and went silent.

Imagine taking your car to a mechanic. You tell him, what’s wrong with your car, and what you want added to it. He claims it will be done “soon”, or in a short matter of time, and you pay him for the job in advance. He now has your money. A week later he tells you, it’s close to being finished, a month later he shows you some amazing footage of one of the “features” he planned on adding to your car, then he goes silent, says nothing for months, and then when you finally do get back in contact with him, he says, it’s almost finished, and it’s pretty much working, but when you can have it is up in the air. No reasoning or anything. How acceptable would that be to you?

Do you think PD didn’t have any idea back in Feb. that they were far from releasing the course maker? Or even back in Dec. when GT6 launched? But Kaz claimed they were close to making it in for launch day, but he wasn’t certain. Being in Beta 8 months down the line doesn’t seem close to me! He could’ve told us back then! And if he was close in December, and he’s in Beta, now, 7 months later, by his definition we could have another 8 months ahead before it releases!

How can you defend this?

@ Elf:
“My, that’s a lot of capitalisation…”
Glad you NOTICED it. That was THE POINT.

“Priority” doesn’t necessarily mean “released before”.
A game with 20 great cars and one great track would get old faster than a game with 20 great tracks and one great car. Thus to me, tracks take priority over cars. But more important, is the advent of “User Created Content” (UCC). A proper track editor could give unlimited replay value (key word: PROPER). Same with a small roster of vehicles, and full fledged vehicle customization (UCC) for that matter, but that’s further down the road. But coupled with the Event Creator (UCC) and Clubs (also UCC) the possibilities are immense. In game comradery and rivalries would be boosted and the community features will increase the social aspect, boosting interaction amongst players. All of this will help to inject life into GT6, THUS my take on theses features TAKING PRIORITY over VGT cars. Which to me, grow stale after 2 to 3 hours use tops.

“they still aren’t late until after December”
They said the features would be released “throughout the course of the year”, not all at once at the end. That is hella late for features that will be the backbone of the game. These features will give people a REASON TO PLAY GT6 AGAIN. Might not be late to you, but too late for some who’ve already sold their copy of GT6 & maybe even their PS3 and moved on already (a few more caps for you since you noticed).

@ fatkid
“But I doubt I will utilise it as much as I would have liked a few months ago; almost all the people that I would have played the created tracks with have moved on to other games.”
Agreed, these are game selling features that we are waiting on, and PD knows this, that’s why there’s so much debate behind them. But it could still inject new life into the game. My concern though, is now that PD & Sony see the demand and backlash behind it, will they decide to sell us short, and make it GT7/PS4 exclusive to help boost sales. Because from a business standpoint, that would be tempting.

@ jhw93:
“Can we stop b*tching about this course maker and ‘late’ update business now please.”
The article is about the course maker. I am not b*tching about it, I am simply voicing my opinion as is everyone else. Funny how it’s an opinion when it’s praise, and b*tching when it’s critical. W/e, how about you stop b*tching about other people’s b*tching then? Huh? I’m entitled to speak here just as you are. I can accept that you are happy with GT/PD, why can’t you just accept that I’m not? I don’t go around telling you to stop talking about how great and perfect you think GT is, so don’t attack me for speaking about how I feel. Just state your opinions and keep it movin’ homie. You’re the one that needs to chill…

@ Johnny:
Exactly. Thank you.

@ Aussie:
I can agree that some people can get carried away. I don’t think Kaz needs to be removed, but I do think he needs to look at his surroundings a bit. GT is still a game at the end of the day, and he’s treating it more like a driver development program/app. Where’s the fun? It’s coming, I know. But the focus should be/should’ve been on enjoyment 1st, because if people aren’t enjoying the game, they’re not sticking with it.

@ Elf (again):
“but surely we are used to that by now…after fifteen years?”
Sad excuse for poor treatment. Not everyone is a GT fan like us. I’m willing to stick around, even if I complain for change while doing so. My friends on the other hand?, not so much, no. Some are even considering the XBOne for Horizon 2 (Hate if you want, it looks fun and good), I just refuse to crossover. Kaz seems like a good guy, someone I could even chill & talk cars with if I spoke the language. I just want him/PD to broaden their scope and prioritize better. They might know cars and realism, but I don’t think they have a strong concept on what’s “in”, entertaining, trending, young and “fresh”. 1 -3 years seems like nothing as an adult, but as a teenager, the while word changes in that time and things grow old fast. Even with technology, things get dated annually. PD needs to stay on top of their game man. I’m still voting for them…

It’s all here-say, as none of us know for sure. It’s just the likeliest outcome I could fathom in my head for the chain of events that led us here. Thanks for your acknowledgement however. Of the people on the “other side of the fence”, you’re one I can acknowledge the opinions of. Glad you’re not one of those “defender trolls” like some of the others. You’re much more reasonable.

Jul. 2, 4:00pm

jhw93

SZRT Ice that was a much better post. A comment that is logically thought out and civilized in its nature is something that I have respect for.

Just to make this clear, I will defend kaz/PD when people make comments insulting kaz or PD because it’s simply unacceptable, i’m not having a go at anyone specifically but imagine what kaz would think of some of the comments on here, I think he would be a bit offended. Accusing Kaz/PD of being lazy or not caring about the fanbase is not a good way to communicate about gripes with the game, PD have made steps to improve communication so I think it’s time for people to be more mature in the way they convey their thoughts on the game.

With that out of the way, I want provide an answer to your comment Mr. Ice. I think the course creator was advertised way too early and it seems that the course creator is a long way off yet, I wouldn’t surprised if it gets shelved for GT7. So I think PD should have not spoken about the course creator at all until now.

Kaz/PD have always been vague regarding times and to be honest it frustrates me as well, I have just gotten used to it however. They’re like that because setting deadlines down does restrict things regarding the development process and if they don’t meet the deadline then it’s not gonna look good. In that sense, although frustrating I would rather that they work at their own pace than them having rush to meet a deadline.

The consumer argument I have seen on here “I have paid for this and they have not delivered” is ill-informed. People may genuinely feel this way but that’s not how the media industry works. As I have talked about before in the comments, when you buy a game, album or film, you don’t own the media in question, the disc you have is effectively a licence which grants you access to the media on the disc. You may be wondering where I am going with this but put it this way, all of the updates that GT6 has received so far could have been paid DLC. It is completely up to the developer and publisher what the licence grants you access to, as the game has matured PD have effectively expanded that licence for free. This means that what you paid for was the version of the game that was out when you purchased it.

You may have bought GT6 because of the Course Creator but that doesn’t mean you own it or have any rights to it because as it currently stands, the course creator is not part of the licence. I don’t want to sound offensive when I say this, but I personally wouldn’t buy a game for just one feature, especially when the feature has no release date. The smarter thing to do would have been to leave it and purchase it later if that was main reason to buy it.

That’s just my response to those who feel as though PD have stolen from them. The best attitude you can take is just take every piece of information, not with a negative approach as such but just take it with a pinch of salt. I know PD have been wishy-washy with deadlines, hence the reason why their more vague about things now. It’s better just take the news as it is and avoid developing your own expectations. I’m personally very eager for a new sound update but hurling abuse at the game developer is just gonna make you more bitter about it, I find it’s better to just enjoy the game for what it is and not to get hung up on what PD or Kaz are doing. If the are gonna take longer to do something than they expected, What are we going to do about it? It’s not worth the anger.

Jul. 2, 4:57pm

SZRT Ice

@ jhw93:

I can’t deny that you’re mostly right in everything you said. In regards to the consumer rights stuff, I understand the legalities of the whole situation. But I consider that a very “Microsoft’y/EA-ish type of move for PD to hide behind. I consider Kaz to be a man of honor and a man of his word, and would also hope that PD/Sony don’t go that route. They sold the feature on their word, I get that. But if they don’t deliver on their word, then I will lose what trust I have for them. Other than that, I’ve made my case to the best of my ability, so for now I’m just going to let it be. Much respect man. Thanks for yours and everyone else’s response. Case rested. I’m spent on this topic atm.

Jul. 2, 5:20pm

biftizmo

SZRT@ “But more important, is the advent of “User Created Content” (UCC). A proper track editor could give unlimited replay value (key word: PROPER). Same with a small roster of vehicles, and full fledged vehicle customization (UCC) for that matter, but that’s further down the road. But coupled with the Event Creator (UCC) and Clubs (also UCC) the possibilities are immense”.
This sounds like an immense technological network undertaking PD is embarking on…hope they get it all working ok they better make double sure…it sounds massive especially if they plan to extend it by millions millions of kilo meters..and GT7 / PS4 ..

Jul. 2, 7:05pm

MeanElf

But of course I notice Ice.

Regarding the priority thing first, as you were kind enough to address two of my comments. I think perhaps I wasn’t being clear enough. I agree, that the course creator is an important feature for the logevity of a game like GT6. After all, it held me in thrall in GT5 for quite some time, so a bigger and improved version of the same idea is defin itely something I understand as being important.

Trouble is, I was pointing out that the VGT cars release schedule is likely a situation under the control of the respective car manufacturers, their adverstising arms and global corporate people – not folks that you shove aside lightly, not when your game revolves around the cars that these peoples’ lawyers have control over.

I’m sure PD would love to have the course creator and all of the other updates out there by Tuesday lunchtime – trouble is, coding is a fickle and nasty thing. Talk to anyone who writes code for a living and ask them if a new release or update or patch has ever gone according to plan. I don’t know if it’s chaos theory, or just plain complications compounded by human error…but I am pretty certain PD aren’t delaying it just for fun/arrogance/laziness/or whatever weird and half-assed reason the collective of self-proclaimed experts that lurks around GTP can come up with. That was not aimed at you Ice. With the odd exception, you bring intelligent observations to the table and not just random gibberish or venom without respite, and that is appreciated. i think that the number of replies stands as testament to that.

So, I hope my position and meaning now are clearer. VGT I’m sure isn’t seen as a priority over the course maker, it’s just that said feature is causing more problems to get right than PD had anticipated. In the meantime, they continue on with what they can release.

I know that my second point is a sad excuse – however, it is the way things have been until just recently when Kazunori-san opened up and agreed to answer the most pressing questions from a forum…then PD comes out with a blog to improve upon communication. They are clearly trying now to redress that situation, so I do feel we need to let the new communication trend play out a little before ignoring it.

As for the teenager thing. Whilst I appreciate that teens are into their games as well. The average gaming age is in the early 30s. GT tends to attract older gamers than contemporary titles. I don’t think PD is necessarily aiming themselves at the attention span of the average teenager. I also know that a lot of people here started playing GT as teenagers. They seemed fine with the way things were back when they discovered the series, so maybe the new teenagers, or more appropriately, the ones who are likely to be attracted to GT will also be okay with a long view.

I do agree that none of us know for sure. I sincerely wish that we did, but in the end, I suppose the mystery is one of the things that keeps me locked-in and curious about what might come next.

Jul. 4, 1:20pm

BRRT_Angel

Another point of debate is Zahara. I have the largest feeling that the city got cold feet and told PDI to remove the area from the scenery. If this is the case, which seems more plausible than some other theories I’ve heard, that means that the track may have been completely rewritten and made shorter while they work on exactly what to do with the 18 mile track. Food for thought. To Ice, it seems likely that there was an overshot expectation from those as Sony and those as PDI. I would like to believe that GT7 will be 3 to 4 times better than GT6, but I’m waiting for these things before I make my opinion:
1) Course Maker/Generator/Vaporware/Bluff/Whatever you may…
2) What the FIA partnership brings.
3) How the rest of VGT develops.
4) What the new/returning features to GT6 will add.
5) How quickly GT7 develops. If GT7 comes out by December 2015, it won’t be finished.

Don’t know about you, but I’ll be getting as much info I can.

Jul. 8, 10:26am

SZRT Ice

@ Elf:
The whole “priority” thing got misconstrued.

Tbh, the comment actually derived from Angels’ comment here: “If PD has only one guy working on that feature, as well as something else…that could take a long time”. The notion of that inspired that statement.

At the end of the day, having in-game racing clubs for people to form alliances with one another and rivalries against other teams coupled with an event creator to create in-game championships and tournaments amongst those teams (or for individuals if one pleases) would give more meaning to the game then a few new cars to drive. Heck, it could even make better use of the VGT’s, as we could even create a VGT Championship, like a tournament styled testing ground to pit the VGT’s against each other, and every team would have to select a specific VGT to represent their team. And the track creator could supply a custom venue for each match, keeping things fresh and interesting for everyone!

The VGT Project is more important to them regarding the manufacturers, I get that, but these core features are more important for the gamers and the life of Gran Turismo 6.

As far as the “teenager” thing, it was more in reference to “generational thinking”, the pace of Kaz/PD’s development process, and the speed at which an idea/tech can grow stale. People often talk about things far in advance to build hype. It can give a project staying power if the project has staying power, example Uncharted 4, FFXV, Morpheus. These things are trying to offer something better than anything else you can find elsewhere. But personally, I feel like PD is too slow on the uptake. Staple features in racing, like a vinyl editor, better car customization, sounds, etc. still haven’t been introduced to the series, or are just making it in, and this track editor which in the beginning had everyone so excited, now the hype for it is starting to die off to me. I’m also fearful that it will underwhelm compared to the time it took for us to get it.

When the 1st GT came out, I was a teenager (13) years old, and there was nothing like GT in existence, it set the bar in every available category at that time. Now, graphics are expected, rival developers are closing in with handling models on-par if not better than GT (though that is up for debate and down to individual opinion), and even offering staple features that GT does not.

At this point, I just want Zahara, a nice, big, new track to race, cruise, and drift on. Cause by the time the course editor releases, many who care for it now, probably won’t care anymore. ProjectCars, The Crew, Drive Club, and Horizon 2 are mere months away. I expected to have had these features, enjoyed them, and be looking forward to the next big game by now with the occasional play of GT on the side. Instead, I’m still looking to Kaz and PD for definitive answers and release dates for an uncompleted game. My main point is that PD needs to stay up to date with core features and experimental side projects should be come second or in conjunction to them.

As far a PD’s target audience, they should be targeting the old as well as the young. Because it is the young that will inherit what the old has left behind. They are the future fans and buyers of the GT series or whatever it is GT becomes. And it is when I was young that I found GT, and that is what helped make me loyal to it to this day.

(I’m everywhere with this, I know, bare with me…)

@ BRRT_Angel:
“Another point of debate is Zahara. I have the largest feeling that the city got cold feet and told PDI to remove the area from the scenery.”

A lot of work, effort, hand shakes, licensing, and signed contracts most-likely went into that agreement. It would take a lot more than cold feet to renig on it, and considering that they went so far as to name a street in their city after the guy and held a festival in honor of GT6’s release, I would conclude, and highly doubt that to be the case. As Zahara was not officially announced by Kaz, they may be reserving it for GT7. Albeit annoyingly so if true.

“To Ice, it seems likely that there was an overshot expectation from those (at?) Sony and those (at?) PDI. I would like to believe that GT7 will be 3 to 4 times better than GT6, but I’m waiting for these things before I make my opinion:
1) Course Maker/Generator/Vaporware/Bluff/Whatever you may…
2) What the FIA partnership brings.
3) How the rest of VGT develops.
4) What the new/returning features to GT6 will add.
5) How quickly GT7 develops. If GT7 comes out by December 2015, it won’t be finished.”

I believe GT7 will finally have a vinyl editor. But I fear for the interface, as it will be the 1st one in any GT game and Kaz doesn’t outsource or look to other racing games for inspiration. I believe he once said he got an idea from modnation racers and either angry bird, tiny wings or that “pigs” game, one of the three, don’t quote me on it. Ofcourse you wouldn’t want to advertise your competitors, but I think Kaz to be honest enough to say that he’s seen some of his competitors work and was impressed with this or that feature. But he has actually said the opposite, that he hasn’t really spent much time with any other racing games this era… At all…

But to more directly respond to your perspectives, I actually believe that GT6 was a toss up for Kaz/PD. A means to just “throw something out there” to tide the turn of things, convince people to stick with their PS3’s to buy them some time to prepare something for PS4 instead of jumping ship to the XBOne since they didn’t have anything PS4 ready to combat the release of FM5. I don’t really believe they cared or are really effected by the weak sales of GT6. GT6 upon release was just disposable updates that they could package in disc form and label a new game. They say focus remains on GT6, and GT7 will just use assets from GT6, but I believe GT7 is moving full steam ahead, and GT6 was likely created from disposable assets from GT7. I think they are trying to decide if they should withhold things from GT6 to put in GT7 to further entice people to a GT7/PS4 purchase.

1) Course maker if actually more in-depth than the one in GT5, may be too taxing for the PS3.
2) I’m interested in the FIA content too, but that’s already GT7 confirmed, and will likely use an in-game layout from the Event Creator. If not, it will be maybe end up being another GT Academy “beat this time, move to next round” feature with car/cash/career prizes + trophy?
3) The only expectation I have hope in honestly. Looking forward to Lambo, Lexus, Mazda, and a bunch of others. Unlike others, I like the fact that we will get cars found nowhere else on earth and completely exclusive to the GT series. Major selling point, and clear proof that GT has more sway and pull to the auto industry than other game dev’s. Now if only Porsche was able to join this somehow… o_O?
4) I hope the features are substantial. I am burnt out on GT6 in it’s current state. Expectations tempered.
5) I believe GT7 is done, or very near completion and it will be the 1st truly completed GT since GT4 (7 is the number for completion after all…). It will be the embodiment of GT4, GT5, GT6, and of itself with the ability to better handle all of it’s assets and then some on an entirely new platform. So much more will be capable with the increase in ram and processing power offered by the PS4, and PD will definitely try to make use of as much of it as possible. GT will finally have the breathing room it needs to make tracks visually on par with the cars, better lighting, smoother online sessions, quicker match making, faster more seamless user interface, better sound processing, improved damage model, and all the other features, bells and whistles the GTP community is requests will be closer to fruition than ever imagined. It will be the defining and deciding factor for many in the case of PD’s abilities Vs the systems limitations. That excuse will no longer be available, and if they drop the ball here, well…, I won’t speak for anyone else, but that would be it for me. And this time, even owning a PS4, I will WAIT UNTIL EVERY ADVERTISED FEATURE IS INCLUDED before buying the game.

I think I’m gonna give GTP a break as well, and be be so outwardly opinionated. When they come, they come, but I’m tired of the same old same. I’m sure the staff and others here won’t miss my rambling. It’s cool. I’ll just wait and see how things pan out from here.

Jul. 8, 10:29am

SZRT Ice

Man, I gotta work on using less words and being more straight to the point. This thread must hold some kind of record!

Jul. 1, 10:42am

GBalao888

I want the course maker to be like the ones from Modnation Racers or something.

Jun. 30, 8:06pm

KoldStrejke

I will believe it when I have it on my phone. no more lies kaz. stop hosing us.

Jun. 30, 9:07am

Aussie_HSV

While I understand this is a bit of a bugbear for some, can I point something out.
When this does land, yes … whenever that may be, don’t expect to be instantly jumping in your car so you can start plotting courses.
From the GT6 product page:
“Additionally, in another update we will add the possibility to generate a track by capturing the GPS coordinate data of a mobile app while you are driving that course.”

It may happen all at once, but it’s probably not likely.
Forewarned is forearmed.

Jun. 30, 2:13am

fredyellowone

October 2013 : “course maker will be 100 x 100 kms”.
A few days later : “course maker will be 50 x 50 kms!”
Two days later : “course maker will be 20 x 20 kms!”
November 2013 : “course maker will be 10 x 10… Maybe.”
A few days later : “course make will maybe release on day one. Maybe not. I am not sure.”
June 2014 : “course maker is in beta! We will release it someday!”

Next episodes :

October 2014 : “course maker is near completion. I’m beta testing it right now!”
November 2014 : “I promise guys, it’s coming!”
January 2015 : PD then peoceed to release the exact same track generator than in gt5 – but with one or two improved options.

Gt6 sold how many copies? Yeah that’s what I thought.

Jun. 30, 5:32am

Streeto

Pathetic isn’t it? I still don’t understand how people can defend some of PD’s actions.

Jun. 30, 7:01am

biftizmo

Yes really pathetic isn’t it ! but you 2 are really smart…

Jun. 30, 10:02am

MeanElf

Oh, that made me choke on my toast :) Nicely put.

Jun. 30, 10:07pm

CorvetteConquer

It feels good to burn!

Jul. 1, 7:17am

SZRT Ice

I actually find these predictions fairly believable. As funny as the “comebacks” were, they probably realized there were no logical way to respond to you than to insult your intelligence. bift’, you may actually be a cool person, but way to make a “donkey” of yourself…

Oh, & by donkey, I mean “ass”.

Jul. 2, 4:01am

MeanElf

Ice – it’s fred. I don’t think anything he’s said in the news comment section has been taken seriously for quite some time.

Jul. 2, 6:26pm

fredyellowone

MeanElf – last thing I’ve said in the comment section was more than one year ago. And even by then, I only did on a few rare occasions. Thank you very much for rolling me in the dirt like that.

Jul. 3, 3:51am

MeanElf

Really Fred? I seem to recall comments right upto the release of GT6 and possibly later. If wrong, I will of course apologise.

Jul. 3, 11:30am

MeanElf

Actually wasted fifteen minutes going back to check…you have definitely been posting stuff putting down PD in your own way far more recently than last year, last Friday was the most recent.

I know you are talking about the news comments section, but the same fredyellowone posts on the GTP forums as well, and that’s what I was talking about.

Jul. 3, 2:34pm

MonSpaNur

MeanElf, 02/July:

“Ice – it’s fred. I don’t think anything he’s said in the news comment section has been taken seriously for quite some time.”

The same MeanElf, 03/July:

“I know you are talking about the news comments section, but the same fredyellowone posts on the GTP forums as well, and that’s what I was talking about.”

Polyphony’s lack of integrity is matched by their supporters.
And they say they will only take seriously those who have no integrity like them and do not trust people who respect his word. That is why they love Polyphony, a company tailored to them.

Jul. 3, 5:03pm

MeanElf

I’m not actually sure what that was. I’m guessing an insult, or maybe a joke?

Apparently though, you have lots of integrity.

Jul. 3, 6:46pm

MonSpaNur

Was not a joke or an insult, it was the truth.

MeanElf, you lied, it’s as simple as that.
And it is on this lack of integrity that I’m talking about.

Jul. 4, 4:09am

MeanElf

Okay, can you point out where I lied? I’m mystified otherwise…

Jul. 4, 4:35am

MonSpaNur

02/July: “…the news comment section…”

03/July: “…the GTP forums (…) and that’s what I was talking about.”

Jul. 4, 9:50am

MeanElf

You really can’t be serious about that…?

Fred was talking about the comments section here in the news items. I was talking about Fred’s comments on the forum. They are the one and same person, so it makes no difference, if his snide comments were here or on the forum proper…he still made them and a lot more recently than a year ago.

Is that a bit clearer for you?

Jul. 4, 9:53am

MeanElf

And yes, I know I said “news comments section” then went on to also point toward the forums as they are the one and same place…it’s all GTP.

Jul. 4, 3:41pm

fredyellowone

@Monspanur, Just let it go. It dosen’t matter. I didn’t think anything bad of MeanElf before, heck to be honest, I barely even remember that guy aside one argument I had with him months ago. But now that he used those lies – trying to say the news section and the forums are the same exact place and that’s what he meant, trying to roll me on the dirt by saying that no one is taking me seriously despite all the great arguments I’ve been saying through the years, and using my nickname like if if I was the laughable mascot of GTplanet is just too much for me.

He is now on my ignore list, he will stay there; and I will not have to deal with his bad faith and name calling again.

Jul. 4, 4:20pm

MeanElf

I am truly astounded…

Jul. 4, 7:34pm

MonSpaNur

@MeanElf, what is clear to me, is that you are a pathetic liar.

It was you, not Fred, who talked about the news section.
He just followed his line of argument.

Your first reference to the GTPlanet forum was to say “… is what I was talking about.”
No, it was not.
You were talking about, and only about, the news section.

The reason why you persist in these lies is beyond me.

@fredyellowone, you’re right, it is better to stop wasting time with those who do not deserve it and let it go.

Jul. 4, 7:36pm

MonSpaNur

Correction:

“He just followed your line of argument.”

Jul. 5, 6:17am

MeanElf

This just keep getting better and crazier. I think there must be something lost in translation here, because I am definitely a bit confused by all of this.

Okay, not that any of this bothers me much, but just to prove how crazy you are sounding right now: you say that it was I who started talking about the news section, and not Fred.

“MeanElf – last thing I’ve said in the comment section was more than one year ago…” Y’see, he was talking about the news section – go back and check it if you don’t believe me.

And the reason why I say that something has been lost in translation, is because I know full well what I said and the words used, they back that up. You on the other hand have attached a whole other meaning to the words I used…so where again was I lying, except in your head?

If you are true to your own words, I don’t suppose you’ll be answering – a shame really, as I’m sure this is providing a bit of entertainment for some people.

Jul. 5, 8:32am

SZRT Ice

“Ice –it’s fred. I don’t think anything he’s said in the news comment section has been taken seriously for quite some time.”

@ Elf:
When you’re wrong, you’re wrong bro’.

On a side note:
I can’t believe such a skirmish derived from such a minuscule sarcastic comment. PD literally has dragged us along with unclear, uncertain, and unofficial statements since GT6’S release and act like it’s news. Well, actually, official statements of uncertainty. There’s really no argument there. And regardless of what he said in the past, I’m just going off of what he’s saying now. And it really doesn’t merit the lash-back he received imo.

Jul. 5, 11:41am

MeanElf

Oopsie…

I think that I must be lost somewhere in translation, I’d completely forgotten that bit :) Though in my defence, I still don’t think it make it a lie…as I’d have needed to be doing it on purpose.

But hey-ho, you are correct Ice – this little ‘side-discussion’ has blown itself completely out of proportion; just like the response to the main man’s comments of late – totally agree.

Jul. 7, 12:20am

SZRT Ice

It’s alright. I know u were simply trying to diffuse the situation before it ignited. Things can go south around here really fast.

Jun. 30, 12:49am

Durodes

THANK YOU!

Geez

Jun. 29, 11:52pm

biftizmo

I think a lot of people round here are confused..GT is not a closed book..they don’t start with a fresh page with every reincarnation of the game any more..it’s a forever open book where the story’s get better over time and octagonally the older stores get re-written…but mostly the story just gets bigger…Pd are continually righting the big book…and we get it as soon as it’s readable..so lets just stop going over old stories and be excited for whats going to come whenever but it will come…if you stick with the game for long enough you’ll see all this to be true..If you don’t try to think this way you will probably be disappointed with GT8 as we are probably seeing the early stages of GT7 now or will be very soon..
O and if PD continue to rock the motor would as they are doing..the revenue they could raise from other sources could pave they way for you never having to pay anything again…Bif 2014

Jun. 30, 12:08am

biftizmo

Choice :1 complain about the complainers or just complain..
Choice :2 let these car manufacturers know that everyone around the world is seeing their products…and as fans help PD make your dreams come true.

Jun. 30, 9:27am

MonSpaNur

Choice 3: Do not complain, sell the PS3, buy a gaming PC, play Assetto Corsa and have your dreams come true… NOW (build cars and tracks – edit livery of any car – realistic AI, sounds and physics – drag and point to point racing – friendly, communicative, supportive developer and community – bugs usually fixed in less than 24 hours – etc…)

Jun. 30, 10:07am

MeanElf

Indeed MonSpaNur – however, you’re still comparing a gaming PC product with a old-gen console. I appreciate it makes no difference for some of those things you mention – but you still can’t compare the two, in all fairness.

Besides, how many out there can drop everything and go out to buy such a machine? So many people don’t seem able presently to afford a PS4, or XbOne…

Jun. 29, 11:14pm

GTRyan32

GPS data from your own drives!!!?!?!
Ho……..shi……….

For the first time in GT history I might use and am excited about the course maker.

Akagi, Haruna, Myogi, Irohazaka! Who wants?

Jun. 29, 6:51pm

TeamCZRRacing

Got my GT6 15th Anniv. Collector’s Edition box here, and nowhere at all does it mention anything about a Course Creator. Nor does it say anything like that on the back of any of the games boxes, that I can tell.

I’m sorry, where was this advertised again? Where specifically was a release date announced? Nowhere. That’s where.

Now, Kaz-san did say a few months ago that they would try to get the feature out within three months of the game’s release, but nowhere at all did they even come close to saying that this was definitely going to happen. They said it *might* happen. What’s occurred here is that we’ve gotten ourselves hyped up over a release date that was never announced for a feature that, outside a demo of the early alpha, was never used in any promotional material ever.

That’s the blatant fact of it. Now can we just all stop being asses and play some freaking GT?

Jun. 29, 7:02pm

jhw93

I want to play GT but i’m currently transitioning from being a pad player into a wheel/pedal player and I am waiting for my Logitech Driving Force GT to arrive :/

Jun. 29, 7:23pm

snarls200

was promised by kaz in prerelease interviews

Jun. 29, 7:24pm

TeamCZRRacing

@snarls …to be released. He never said when.

Jun. 29, 8:03pm

MonSpaNur

You are lying, TeamCZRRacing, when you said:

“…a Course Creator (…)
I’m sorry, where was this advertised again? (…) Nowhere. That’s where.
(…) a feature that, outside a demo of the early alpha, was never used in any promotional material ever.
That’s the blatant fact of it…”

At Polyphony’s site, today:

“Gran Turismo 6 Features List

Update
These features will be implemented in future updates.

Course Maker
This feature, available at a later stage through an update, will allow you to create your own custom tracks that can be driven in the game. Additionally, in another update we will add the possibility to generate a track by capturing the GPS coordinate data of a mobile app while you are driving that course. This GPS-generated tracks will be available in the game as playable content.”

At Sony’s site, today:

“Personalise your tracks, create your own then go online to connect with friends, leagues and tournaments, and discover a world of driving you didn’t know existed. The globe is your racetrack – start your engines…”

Jun. 29, 8:08pm

TeamCZRRacing

@MonSpaNur I still defy you to find a definite release date. A feature can’t be late when a date was never announced for it.

Mods, please remove the bit from mo original postabout the feature never being used in any promo material ever, because clearly I was wrong on this front.

Jun. 29, 8:38pm

MonSpaNur

My issue is with the people who claim that the track maker was never advertised as a feature of the game.

I have nothing to do with a release date.

But, at 6 December, when I brought 4 game discs, I brought 4 track makers with them, no question about that.

Jun. 29, 9:13pm

Johnnypenso

The Course Maker was clearly advertised before GT6 launched. As for a release date, the fact that there is no official date for release is nothing to hang your hat on. We all know there is a reasonable time for this stuff to happen. Would it be reasonable if the Course Maker drops in October 2015 and GT7 arrives in December 2015? Most reasonable people would say no, only fanboys that have to defend PD at all costs would hop up and down saying, “THEY NEVER PROMISED A RELEASE DATE SO IT’S OKAY!”

I said when the game launched I thought it was reasonable if the major features began arrived within 3-6 months. 7 months have passed and not one of the major features is here so in my books, they are late. I think most reasonable people expected at least one of the major features by now and have every right to be disappointed.

Jun. 29, 9:22pm

SZRT Ice

@ Johnnypenso…

I just want to say…

“Thank you”.

Ugh, the density is so thick around here you can cut it with a butter/spreading knife.

Jun. 29, 9:37pm

TeamCZRRacing

@Johnny You’ll notice (or maybe you won’t) that two posts above yours, having been proven wrong, I asked the mods to remove the part of my OP stating that the feature was never advertised. Amazing how selective your reading is when it comes to me… or to anyone who defends the game in general.

Why can’t we just unite in our love of GT? Last I checked this was GTPlanet, not GTArgumentsPlanet.

Jun. 29, 9:54pm

SZRT Ice

“Why can’t we just unite in our love of GT? Last I checked this was GTPlanet, not GTArgumentsPlanet.”

Umm, saying: “Now can we just all stop being asses and play some freaking GT?” Is actually a good way to start an argument.

My reading isn’t selective. You admitted being wrong about the feature being advertised, but I was thinking him for his explanation on the timely release of content and lack of a date. Which in fact you also were defending and have not made a response to as of yet.

Here’s a refresher: “As for a release date, the fact that there is no official date for release is nothing to hang your hat on. We all know there is a reasonable time for this stuff to happen. Would it be reasonable if the Course Maker drops in October 2015 and GT7 arrives in December 2015? Most reasonable people would say no, only fanboys that have to defend PD at all costs would hop up and down saying, “THEY NEVER PROMISED A RELEASE DATE SO IT’S OKAY!”
I said when the game launched I thought it was reasonable if the major features began arrived within 3-6 months. 7 months have passed and not one of the major features is here so in my books, they are late. I think most reasonable people expected at least one of the major features by now and have every right to be disappointed.”

That post resonated with me. Almost like a sigh of relief, or proof I’m not alone. Anyways, he just ended what you started. No need to victimize yourself. It starts with both people that are happy and people who are not happy with GT agreeing that everyone’s entitled to their opinions and not attacking, disrespecting, or belittling others for having an opinion that’s different. Which to me, was started off by the defender squad if I think back far enough.

Jun. 29, 10:23pm

wudy201

Go to grandturismo.com click gt6 in menu bar near top of screen I think its second from left beside the gt logo and scoll down close to the bottom and it says course maker in the section I think called updates(update is on the left side). It starts with community, quick match, b-spec then i think its course maker.

Jun. 29, 10:29pm

TeamCZRRacing

SZRT, by that statement I was calling both groups asses because both have belittled each other and both need to stop. Both parties are guilty.

And Johnny, don’t call me a fanboy. There are issues with the game, glaring issues, that need to be fixed *now.* I realize that. Just because I like the game and am willing to accept this wait in order for PD to perfect the feature doesn’t mean I’m oblivious to the issues the game has. I’d prefer not to be associated with a crowd of drooling, dribbling idiots because of it. A defender fanboy does lovers of the game no service.

As for the release date, I feel that I paid for what I got on the disc, and the rest of it is just extra. That’s my POV, and that’s how it’ll stay.

Jun. 30, 8:41am

TokoTurismo

+1 @Johnnypenso

Jun. 30, 8:52am

Aussie_HSV

@Johnnypenso.
“Would it be reasonable if the Course Maker drops in October 2015 and GT7 arrives in December 2015?”
No, under those circumstances I would stand behind you.
But Oct. 2015 is of course 16 months away.
You know full well that scenario is highly unlikely.
Once people resort to exaggeration, their point is lost on me.

Jun. 30, 10:06am

BRRT_Angel

We all also need to take in consideration that they might have completely rewrote everything. If PD has only one guy working on that feature, as well as something else…that could take a long time. My window always has been 8 months, and we’re getting closer. I could go on and on with theories, but I will save time by saying this: We don’t exactly know what is going on, but we know progress was made somewhere. Until it gets here and we see it’s quality, we can’t really judge how late it is. It just might be worth the wait. PD’s been on a roll so who knows.

Jun. 30, 10:22am

MeanElf

Good post BRRT_Angel. I’m hoping that too.

Also, nice sentiment TeamCZRRacing – I would have hoped that people here could all get on with each other at least in some way. Though as I may have mentioned before, there seem to be too many loud egos out there that enjoy making a point over everything else. I think maybe one day they just want to be able to tell their grandchildren how they were there, standing up with their buddies against the evil corporation before the world made them listen and GT was saved.

A lot of things change, things that were priorities get re-prioritised, there is so much stuff that PD are obviously working on, it must be a very fluid process developing a game of this complexity and at the same time prepping and developing the next gen addition to the series. There has been a lull in the content that was promised but its now rolling in, the VGT cars, a new track that was a complete surprise and now the Map editor with GPS is on the horizon, great news, I think Polyphony Digital are an incredible developer and I for one am looking forward to the future of Gran Turismo.

Jun. 29, 5:32pm

jhw93

Nicely put sir. It’s nice just to read a positive comment for once that has had thought put into it. As a big GT fan who has had 13 years experience with the series, it’s very sad and depressing when reading a lot of the comments on here.

Gran Turismo, regardless of its flaws, is a great series and it can only get better.

Jun. 29, 6:02pm

SZRT Ice

Yes, these things are commendable, but the problem is, they are less than what the claimed they were going to deliver.

Monthly DLC: VGT schedule to be 1 to 2 a month and they claimed a track or so a month was possible. Okay, still not an official promise, but gold for sales and peaking consumer interest on something you aren’t actually doing. So consumer disappointments should be expected.

Club Racing and Community features and everything else for that matter: Let’s imagine for a second that PD is a person you know. And this person asked you to “borrow” some money. Or if you offered this person your services to be paid for at a “later time”. How long do you think is a good/fair amount of time for this person to “deliver/return” this money he borrowed?

Now for some people it depends on the “relationship” with the person and how good/bad it was when the money was loaned and the expectations for that person’s ability to deliver/return the money/payment, for others, it depends on the amount of money, and if it meant that much to them in the first place. Now obviously, the answer will be different for everyone, but it would be interesting to know what some people feel is reasonable for that sort of thing.

Anywho, PD/Kaz are they ones who made the claims they made, if they were having trouble, they should of “man’d up” and confessed it to us when they were realized. Can’t blame anyone for being upset for waiting this long. It’s unethical. In the business and real world. I bet Sony knew every development issue they had. They didn’t have to go into detail, but just be straight up and say it’s not coming along as expected and it will likely be released during the summer/fall/winter or for GT7 because it’s not possible with the PS3’s architecture and is better suited for the PS4 etc. PD is like the new Team Ico and these features might go the way of “The Last Guardian” at this rate.

Jun. 29, 6:20pm

jhw93

I’ll be honest with you, they will have a lot of features inside the PD studio that haven’t been talked about at all, I will bet a lot of money that this course creator is on the shelf for PS4. I wouldn’t say they’re like team ico however, the course creator will come don’t worry but it will take time. They announced it too early granted but just enjoy the game for what it is, when the course creator finally comes then we can talk about properly.

Jul. 2, 3:12pm

SZRT Ice

@ jhw93:
I fear you may be right on this one.

Jun. 29, 4:50pm

forzaturismo

yes

Jun. 30, 10:03am

BRRT_Angel

We all also need to take in consideration that they might have completely rewrote everything. If PD has only one guy working on that feature, as well as something else…that could take a long time. My window always has been 8 months, and we’re getting closer. I could go on and on with theories, but I will save time by saying this: We don’t exactly know what is going on, but we know progress was made somewhere. Until it gets here and we see it’s quality, we can’t really judge how late it is. It just might be worth the wait. PD’s been on a roll so who knows.

Jun. 30, 10:04am

BRRT_Angel

Oops, wrong post reply.

Jun. 29, 12:39pm

SZRT Ice

Anyone remember this?

“Yes. In regards to the course maker, it is cutting it really close as to whether or not it will make it in time for day one or not for GT6. It’s definitely going to be there, but whether or not it will be available from day one I’m just not really sure right now.

“We might start off by providing tracks that we’ve made to the users first – and then the editing user interface might come a little bit after that.”

This is my issue. He made it seem as if it was close to being released on day one, meanwhile, now he’s saying it’s merely in BETA?!?!?

Anyone riding Kaz’s “rooster” after all this time is ridiculous. GT5 had many of the things some are listing in defense of GT6. As it stands, GT6 is STILL merely and updated GT5, although it is finally coming into its own, it’s still far from being a true sequel to 5, with things that 5 had still not available and inferior online, it seems the course maker isn’t the only thing in beta. GT6 is a beta ITSELF!

Jun. 29, 3:56pm

Aussie_HSV

Why must you use derogatory language towards people who are simply enjoying the game?
Can’t you put your point across without having a dig at people with a different opinion?

Calling people ridiculous, or defenders or fanboys, as is also used in this new article, and everywhere else for that matter on GTPlanet, for no reason other than they are enjoying playing the game is unnecessary and pointless.

Jun. 29, 4:51pm

MeanElf

Ice, you seem to have forgotten that Kazunori-san went from discussing the course maker and it’s place in the game, to saying that they were having troubles implementing a working version at the original size, then to having problems at a smaller size too.

I wouldn’t have thought that anyone would need to point out that this may well be the reason behind the delay and continued beta-state.

Jun. 29, 5:22pm

SZRT Ice

@ Elf:
This was the last actual statement made by Kaz prior to GT6’s release. The next statement is the one above. They went dark for 7 MONTHS without any updates, tid-bits, hints, or ANYTHING. And if they had, I and many others WOULDN’T BE AS ANGRY AS WE ARE because we’re human and we know, things happen, problems arise, and none of us are gods. We ain’t perfect, I GET THAT, BUT BE UPFRONT. STOP WITH THE SWEET NOTHINGS, AND TELL US WHAT WE NEED TO HEAR! MONTHS? WEEKS??? NOT POSSIBLE FOR GT6???? BE STRAIGHT UP!!!

And @ HSV:

“Can’t you put your point across without having a dig at people with a different opinion?” Interesting how selective your reading is. Funny how you don’t say the exact same to the defender squad. GTP_Richtofen, kollosson, RedRockRacer, wudy201, and a few others. I don’t make this statement @ everyone who’s just enjoying GT6. But there are literally some “denial extremists” on here who really are riding his “another name for rooster”. There’s really no other word for it, or maybe I should say “chocobo”?

Jun. 29, 8:53pm

Aussie_HSV

Good response.
I particularly like how you went the name and shame route.
Congratulations.

Jun. 29, 9:00pm

SZRT Ice

Thanks! Do I win something? No. Oh well…

At least your biased nature has been revealed. Prize enough for me.

Jun. 30, 10:31am

MeanElf

Fair point Ice, it seems that I did get the order the wrong way around. The rationale though is still valid. Also, PD have only just started communicating, or at least have made the first step toward that kind of community approach – you can’t tell me that you are only now noticing that, after more than fifteen years.

I don’t defend it as a way to co-exist with a community, but I also am a realist in that I wouldn’t expect it to suddenly change just because I had had enough of the way things have been.

Jun. 29, 10:23am

Tenacious D

Well… this is incredible news!

If the team can manage to finish this by summer’s end, give us the Event Maker, Race Mod, Livery Editor and the online Club and League Builder tools, GT6 will never get old.

Until GT7. ;D

Jun. 29, 11:23am

SZRT Ice

Livery Editor? I wish! But they never announced it for GT6. Maybe GT7?, or GT8?

Jun. 29, 1:46pm

CorvetteConquer

Tenacious is the last living GT optimist.

Jun. 29, 4:42pm

TeamCZRRacing

@CorvetteConquer Aside from me. :)

Jun. 29, 4:51pm

kollosson

And me :)

Jun. 29, 5:26pm

SZRT Ice

I’m an optimist myself, but I feel PD has to suffer some sort of defeat, do some “training”, to bounce back on top. Their focus on professionalism is great, but they’re losing touch on what made GT “fun”.

Jun. 29, 9:57am

loopyloogrrr

GT is really on a roll at the moment. Yeah it started slow but it’s picking up nicely I’m now putting a few extra hours into the game. I’m guessing course maker will come out on spec 2…

Jun. 29, 9:56am

NBDrifterz

This’ll be good :D

Jun. 29, 3:50am

Sharpie

What about speed test kazunori son haha

Jun. 29, 12:30am

DriftRyuji

This what I wanted!

Jun. 29, 12:02am

SpeedyDan

Awesome! Imagine the possibilities of creating your own track based on gps date within a game you paid only 50 bux. Sounds like a good deal to me. And man look at all these comments, no wonder everyone here loves GT.

Jun. 29, 3:17am

Magic Ayrton

@ SpeedDan Just read WHAT the comments say.. too little too late.

Jun. 28, 9:57pm

Dude27

The question know is how many weeks before Kaz says it won’t be ready for GT6, but it will go for GT7… like the sound patch. Pure GT’s deceit once again… but who cares? hardcore fans will buy any GT anyway, they are blind faith believers…

Jun. 29, 10:58am

MeanElf

Yep…Dude27 is definitely jaded.

Jun. 28, 9:36pm

vrossi

It’s too late Kaz. Grid Autosport is out now..& it’s FUN.
Send me a postcard when you finally finish GT6.

Jun. 28, 11:56pm

bigspud

so how good is the grid autosport course maker?

Jun. 29, 4:23am

liv4hardstyle

@bigspud lol! well played sir, love those who say its to late bla bla bla but follow the game intently and will keep playing, me chuckle.

Jun. 29, 10:20am

Tenacious D

UGH… Grid is a mess. I almost regret buying it. Somehow, Codies managed to make bots worse than those in Forza! I’ll keep racing for a while, but not only do I end up putting it on Very Easy just to get away from the idiot bots, I keep thinking, “This is like Forza, but not as good… I should just race F4.”

Jun. 29, 9:18pm

Johnnypenso

I think TenD doesn’t like Grid Autosport because the bots don’t just move out of the way and say, “Oh you wish to pass sir? Well go right ahead, let me get out of the way. Sorry for holding you up, go on and win this race Speed Racer”.
I wouldn’t call the AI in Grid Autosport perfect but comparing it to Gran Turismo AI would be like comparing a Ferrari to a Chevette. Both are cars..and that’s about the end of the similarity.

Jul. 9, 10:41pm

SZRT Ice

Challenging and fun, with a decent set of 4-part preset liveries that you can paint in custom colors from a full color, saturation, and gradient palette of numerous paint types, and racing with a damage and a purpose. Not perfect and lacking in areas GT has mastered, but in what it does, it does well. And that’s at many things that GT doesn’t do at all…

Jun. 28, 9:09pm

StigBelcherStyl

The gps mapping program sounds like an amazing idea but does the app take into account altitude also.

Jun. 29, 4:52pm

SZRT Ice

^This.

Jun. 28, 8:56pm

tpark103

It’s getting close folks it’s getting close!!

Jun. 28, 6:29pm

iCyCo

Wondered if he took it with him to the Nurburgring 24H to test it and recreated the Green Hell and how accurate it turned out if at all.

Jun. 28, 3:25pm

CorvetteConquer

Gran Turismo is a beta series. It used to be alpha, but clearly not anymore.

Jun. 28, 5:41pm

TeamCZRRacing

You are aware that “alpha” games are much more incomplete than “beta” games are, right? Alpha testing is the first phase of testing, where serious, showstopping glitches are fixed and more content is added in heaps. Beta testing is where less serious glitches are taken care of, and an occasional feature or two may be added, but not many.

Jun. 28, 3:14pm

dude21699

I, for one, am extremely excited for completely free DLC. I understand that we were supposed to get it anyway, but we could just get the same thing we had in GT5 and I’d be satisfied.

Jun. 28, 3:04pm

celtiscorpion73

With the amount of information and new materials announced this month alone, I really have nothing to complain about. The announcement to partner with the FIA alone says that they are dedicated to making this game more of what it should be-just as we have all wanted.

Jun. 28, 3:22pm

dude21699

100% agreement here. The FIA is gonna be better for the GT Series than Nissan is doing for PD.

Jun. 28, 2:42pm

MLRSparco

Smh I don’t even care anymore at this point.

Jun. 28, 2:08pm

DX_9

Kaz would be so tired at the end of 2014…

Jun. 28, 12:46pm

Alutec

The description is so vague.

Jun. 28, 12:34pm

Blood*Specter

DIREDRAGON SAID:
“But….they paid $50-60 for the game, so they have the right to be as ungrateful and disrespectful towards the developer as much and often as they can!

Who in their right mind would enjoy the game when there is the choice to post as often as you can, in whatever topic whatsoever how miserable these people are, just so they feel they have anything smart to say and have a completely misplaced feeling of authority?!?”

WEBSTERS REFERS TO SUCH PEOPLE AS CHILDREN. LMFAO……………………..

Jun. 28, 1:07pm

Magic Ayrton

“in a future update people will have the ability to stop complaining, their opinions will simply be turned off along with their freedom of speech, also in a future future update they will get the pleasant feeling that their online race hasn’t just ended abruptly with “you have been disconnected””

Jun. 28, 6:04pm

research

Lol @Magic Ayrton. Good work, sir.

Jun. 28, 12:25pm

Humungus

So… he just repeated what they said back in November, that it’ll be added later via update. Only actually new info is that the course maker is in an advanced state of development. It should be after EIGHT months. Also, why no public Beta? The community gives the best feedback after all.

Jun. 28, 3:27pm

dude21699

Something like this takes time, and if you look at everything else they’ve added, I think eight months is fair. On the other hand, I agree that we should be given a public beta. The people they’re trying to please should have a say in what should change.

Jun. 29, 4:57am

MonSpaNur

No, he just repeated what he lied back in 24 September 2013:

“In regards to the course maker, it is cutting it really close as to whether or not it will make it in time for day one or not for GT6. It’s definitely going to be there, but whether or not it will be available from day one I’m just not really sure right now.”

I suspect that FIA had been looking for somebody dishonest to partner, like a Bernie from the virtual world, and that’s why they started the partnership with Polyphony and Kaz.

Jun. 28, 11:53am

jhw93

Yet people are still complaining… I paid $60 bla bla bla, yeah you did pay money and you paid money for what we got in december. You didn’t pay for the sound update or the track update or any free content afterwords.

This might be a news to some of you but you don’t own the game… that $60 you payed was for a licence that grants you access to the game. Its entirely up to PD/Sony what that licence allows you to play.

So saying “I payed for the track update and PD haven’t delivered”… no you haven’t. You may have bought your copy of the game because of the track creator but when you bought that copy, the track creator was never part of the licence. What you payed for was what you got at launch.

And to be honest, if I felt that a game was not worth the money and didn’t like it. I would just either leave it or trade it in and enjoy other games. I wouldn’t hang around on forums to b*tch about it.

Its just stupid and a waste of time to complain about a feature (or lack of) which was never advertised as being part of the launch game anyway. PD have said now that its in development, you know its coming, now chill out.

Rant over :)

Jun. 28, 2:16pm

biftizmo

Ha ha ..agreed!….also like players who say there should be no standard car..nobody wants or uses them because bad sound no clock pit …how do they know maybe I suggest there playing with them.

Jun. 28, 4:00pm

Master Weasel

Is this post a joke? So it’s okay for game companies to bait consumers by advertising all of these big features that they will put in the game to get people buy it, and people are wrong for expecting these companies to follow up on their promises. Seriously?

If the track creator and other features were advertised AFTER the fact, then that would be a different story but that’s not the case.

The lengths people will go to defend PD is quite shocking to say the least.

Jun. 28, 4:38pm

jhw93

I can respect what your saying regarding PD advertising stuff long before they should but when they are vague about something and don’t give a release date…. that kinda tells you that its something that isn’t ready to be shown or released.

PD are purposely vague about stuff because they know that people get excited about things and misinterpret it as some sort of promise or confirmation. At the same time, they need to tell us about future projects so the fanbase knows whats going on.

If PD says “we are making a course creator that will implemented in the future” and you then complain because they have not released it, then it’s your problem. They haven’t given a release date so don’t expect it to come at a certain time.

Jun. 28, 4:45pm

Nato_777

Have to agree here – I bought the game fully knowing that there were features not yet present. The price I paid was for what I got on the disc at the time. Of course there is the expectation of the advertised features (on the box) being updated in due course but really the only cause for outrage will be if they never deliver on the features at all for GT6. The fact that some have not yet arrived doesn’t mean they have broken their promises – as far as I know there was never a promised time frame for the feature updates – relax, the content is still coming. The biggest problem has been the silence over how these features were progressing providing some doubt as to whether they would ever arrive but that seems to be being addressed now.

Jun. 29, 4:02am

scobra1cz

+1

PD fulfil their promises…

Jun. 29, 4:06am

Magic Ayrton

@ Jhn93 – Make a course creator.. then tell people about it when it’s properly implemented in the game.. when people buy games and perhaps read the box or watch a review it’s an instant buy because of the features. (Certainly the case for me) I just don’t trust them now.

I suggest all others be aware that half the promised stuff will arrive late or never.

Jun. 29, 4:16am

TokoTurismo

Man… The try hard defence force are laughable. xD

Jun. 29, 5:02am

MonSpaNur

jhw93, you are a despicable liar just like Kaz.
We paid for the course maker, why you are trying to save the face of the burglars?
Shame on you.

Jun. 29, 7:04am

jhw93

Why am I a liar? I’m a liar because i’m not dissapointed with the game? “We paid for the course maker” NO YOU DIDN’T lol. PD could make the course maker paid DLC if they wanted to, its up to them what parts of the game the licence allows you to access. All of the free updates we have had so far could have been paid DLC if they wanted it to be. I am sorry to say but we have no power or rights in that regard.

I completely agree that PD shouldn’t advertise stuff that’s clearly not ready but at the same time I think people need to be a little wiser, if it doesn’t have a release date then don’t expect it to arrive at a certain time, simple.

Jun. 29, 8:06am

sporkafife

I agree exactly with what he’s saying. You should only ever buy a game if you think the price you are paying is decent for what is IN THE BOX AT THE TIME. I Knew how much fun I’d had on GT games in the past, so I thought GT6 would be worth it. Now, I feel I haven’t completely made it worth it with play time, but I know that I definitely will.

I’m not saying it’s completely right for PD to advertise features as “coming soon” and ending up taking months before they even start hinting at a release, it annoys me that the course creator, sounds and Ayrton Senna content has taken/will take a long time after release to be included. It’s annoying, but it is perfectly within their rights.

Steam has been having a problem with “early access” games. People have been paying money for an game, and then crying whenever the developer gives up on the game due to poor reception, or even just decides to slightly change the direction of the game away from the original concept. Steam issued a statement saying to only buy the early access games if you’re excited about the content included in the game RIGHT NOW. If you want to have all the promised features, wait until/if they arrive before paying your money.

Although I don’t see GT6 as being as “unfinished” as all of these early access games, the same logic applies. On release day, if you look at what’s on the disc and think it’s worth $50, buy the game and have a good time. If you think the content on the disc isn’t worth $50, don’t buy it and wait for either the price to come down to meet your expectations, or for some new features to be added that make it worth the price.

Jun. 29, 11:20am

MonSpaNur

jhw93, you are lying, because you stated, as a fact and not a opinion, that we didn’t brought the track maker when we purchased the game.

The track maker was advertised as a part of the game, who would be added later via a update, so they are bound to provide a track maker as a free DLC during the useful life of the game.

We are not talking about vague promises made during a interview, situation where I would have to agree with you, we are talking about what was stated, before launch, in the official advertising.

Spare a through about the workings of ebay, where the seller can state that returns are not accepted, but he is bound to accept then if the product supplied do not conform with the product advertised.

This is not a jungle, we all are under regulatory laws, Polyphony included.

Jun. 29, 12:15pm

jhw93

As I stated before, the course creator was clearly advertised as a FUTURE feature of the game. Yes PD did use it as a means to advertise the game but they did make it clear that it wasn’t part of the game at launch. They gave no release date and were vague about it, so what do you expect? It is silly imo to buy a game just because of one feature that hasn’t even been properly spoken about.

I totally agree that they shouldn’t have spoken about it that early but the fact they made it clear that it wasn’t a launch feature gives me little sympathy for peoples complaints.

And it is a fact not an opinion when I say you have not paid for it. As I have clearly stated before, when you buy a game, a film or a music album, you don’t any of it. What you own is a licence that grants you access to the media. Thats why developers can get away with day 1 DLC packs, because their argument is that buying the game doesn’t grant you access to everything on the disc. As i’ve said before, PD could make everything from now on as paid DLC and thats up to them, they are in charge of the licence. Buying the game does not give you any ‘rights’ to future content, that’s entirely the developers decision.

Jun. 28, 11:37am

Jon Di Nola

Im glad GT6 is really starting to take shape. This week by far sharred the greatest news about the game since GT6s’ release.

Jun. 28, 11:34am

Lawndart

I would think that the online features and modes, commonly referred to as “clubs” might need to come out first. It’s been widely speculated that this feature will include the sharing and gifting of cars etc. a technical component that is likely the same one that would be used to share tracks…

Jun. 28, 11:57am

Aussie_HSV

I think you may be right.
On the product page for GT6, ‘Community’, ‘Quick Match’, and ‘B-Spec’ all say “will be added in a future update.”
‘Course Maker is the only one that says “available at a later stage through an update”

I might be reading to much into it, but the wording to me suggests that out of the features still to come, Course Maker may be the last one we get.

Jun. 28, 11:26am

KRAZY SLOW IVAN

it’s about time we had some news on this.btw i am happy they are moving forward with it.i’m wondering how long have they been in beta testing this.btw jayson,at pd’s current rate we should be getting a couple each month or so

Jun. 28, 11:24am

TeamCZRRacing

I’m personally looking forward to the Course Creator as much as anyone here, but I feel that there’s more than enough content in the game already to justify the $60 price tag. Yeah, I said it.

And before anyone hates on me for doing so, I’m a human being and have a right to my own opinion, thanks… @Samus @TokoTurismo @Johnnypenso. :)

Jun. 28, 12:30pm

sangdude82

Nah, nobody is going to hate you. Everyone is entitled to have his/her own opinions, right?

Jun. 29, 8:11am

sporkafife

@sangdude82

True, everyone is allowed an opinion, but apparantly not on this website. For sharing a shred of your opinion, you are liable to have your tongue cut out and have everyone fire a wave of insults at you.

Jun. 28, 11:21am

HuskyGT

At this point this would be the thing that would make me play the game again. Charge us for it, I don’t care. I just want to get back to GT.

Jun. 28, 12:12pm

TeamCZRRacing

Then do it! You know perfectly well by this point what you’re missing. You’re throwing out all that awesome because *one* feature is late. You’re missing out on the TS030, the Red Bull Ring, the BMW, Nissan and VW VGTs, the Lexus IS-F CCS-R, and a sh*t ton of other content. Now is an amazing time to be a GT fan. Besides, your holding out isn’t going to change a thing; it won’t speed the beta process up or help fix any bugs. So why do this to yourself, knowing that a) a lot of seriously cool stuff that many people have been wanting for a while has just dropped, and b) your holding out only hurts you and doesn’t help PD with rolling the feature out sooner? It makes absolutely no sense.

Jun. 28, 10:59am

Jayson619

I just want more cars!

Jun. 28, 3:30pm

ITCC_Andrew

1200+ isn’t enough? You’re the first person I’ve ever read that from.

Jun. 29, 4:05am

scobra1cz

1200 is enough, but I just want more unique premium cars (probably like Jayson619 want) ;-)

Except this time not falling in the trap, will wait for some in depth reviews. They have an extreme amount of work to do in a short space of time to get my vote.

Jun. 28, 10:31am

WilliamsRCN92

Course maker comes out… my first project will be Special Stage Route 11.
If I’m able to do so, of course.

Jun. 28, 11:14am

karelpipa

If it would be good i would give you 20 000 000 million in game credits.

Jun. 28, 11:50am

RedDevil

Dude I love have the c1 loop and wangan line recreated! Hopefully we have highways as one of the themes

Jun. 28, 12:56pm

WilliamsRCN92

Take it easy @RedDevil I’ve only got plans for two tracks in my extremely limited time schedule. I imagine that a good track will take 2-3 weeks to complete.
But then again, I don’t know what it will be, or even if I can create my own track without GPS.

Jun. 28, 8:56pm

KazaMR2

If the course make is any good, It would be so epic to create all the Tokyo metro highway in GT6!

Jun. 29, 4:07am

scobra1cz

KazaMR2: And what about Isle of Man TT? It can be possible with GPS.

Jun. 28, 10:30am

Streeto

So, as far as we know, it could be in the same state as it was in December.

Great Kaz, thanks for the “news”.

Jun. 28, 10:10am

austindeckerGT5

Waiting for the Course Maker on Gran Turismo 6 is like waiting for Heists on GTA Online. XD

Jun. 28, 9:52am

Maddens Raiders

Gran Tursimo forever.

Jun. 28, 10:05am

Master Weasel

Wait until we actually get the course maker first before saying that.

Jun. 28, 10:26am

TokoTurismo

Agreed @Master Weasel.

Jun. 28, 11:15am

karelpipa

he meant waiting forever for future updates! :)

Jun. 28, 11:51am

TokoTurismo

^ lol! :D

Jun. 28, 1:17pm

Magic Ayrton

+1 lol

Jun. 28, 9:28am

wudy201

Th track creator is coming there he said it now will all the ungrateful, spoiled, selfish, miserable, snobby, arrogant complainers shut up and be grateful for a change. You all need to steep back and realise how lucky you are to even be ableto experience something lik this, you obviously couldnt do it but still you seem to somehow expect sombody else owes it to you and and when someone else does give you the privilege of experiencing somthing like you to expect your owed something more. Just take and take and aint even thankful or greatful for what your lucky enough t already have and dont even appreciat the time and sacrifices the people at PD make to give us these games and are even more ungrateful when we get new content that weall just wake upto and boom its these for free obviously there intent is to please us and and improve the game and we show appreciation by shredding them up forthere work and ay they dont read this site to see what so called fans are saying well would you want to read something that just says how horrible your creation is how much you lie and how hated you seem to be on a daily basis.

Jun. 28, 9:42am

Firedragon

But….they paid $50-60 for the game, so they have the right to be as ungrateful and disrepectful towards the developer as much and often as they can!

Who in their right mind would enjoy the game when there is the choice to post as often as you can, in whatever topic whatsoever how miserable these people are, just so they feel they have anything smart to say and have a completely misplaced feeling of authority?!?

:D

Jun. 28, 10:06am

508920

I agree. I paid $50-60 and what I see is a lot of awesomeness. Vision GT, Andretti’s first love, Senna, Red Bull Ring, new cars and that all without extra payment. I also don’t mind the standard cars, because we will all miss them when Kanzunori delete them!

Jun. 28, 10:16am

Samus

Hilarious.

Jun. 28, 10:23am

Streeto

If you payed for the game and you’re not disappointed by now, then you must be used to accepting less than what you payed for.

Jun. 28, 10:27am

TokoTurismo

You must love PD getting up in your rear, eh?

Jun. 28, 10:36am

Croatian_STIG

I agree with 508920, we paid a bit much for the game, but all the DLC’s are ABSOLUTELY FREE. That I like, very much.

Jun. 28, 10:37am

Firedragon

Derogatory comments towards PD and now towards people who actually can enjoy the game.
Very funny indeed, these people without substance.

Jun. 28, 11:17am

OpticZero

@wudy These folks may complain about the game (which is their right as users) but at least they are not complete jerks who try to tell people how to act, what to think, and how to say it. You are the real tool belt here, not the people criticize the games shortcomings.

Jun. 28, 1:11pm

Magic Ayrton

Opticzero.. you just made my day.. and my point exactly.

Jun. 28, 3:52pm

TeamCZRRacing

@wudy Wow… You know, for once, I agree with Magic Ayrton and OpticZero. I’m among the sternest defenders of the game on this site (just ask anyone I’ve had a disagreement with here), but there’s a line there where a post stops being a simple disagreement and starts becoming an insult. Calling people “ungrateful, spoiled, selfish, miserable, snobby, [and] arrogant” and then telling them outright what to think puts you so far over that line it’s incredible. People have the right to express their opinions that they haven’t got their money’s worth, and others have the right to disagree with that notion, but nobody has the right to blatantly tell others what to think.

Now go back to your English homework. You need it. Desperately.

Jun. 29, 1:16am

TokoTurismo

And that’s why I hope GT7 fails. Is to shut people like @wudy201 up from blindly insulting others and telling them what to think while defending this game…

Jun. 29, 4:14am

kollosson

Hang on, we bought a game with promised features that ARE appearing but , you know , even without those features we have 100 tracks from 37 locations, over 1200 cars, dynamic weather and day/night cycle, how can you complain about that? I agree with wudy201 , spoiled, arrogant, selfish about sums it up and I know at least some of you have Forza 5, how then can you possibly complain that you are not getting your money’s worth. The content is coming, its rolling in now with all the VGT cars etc but some of you are not content with that, its like you are stamping your feet like brats and no matter what great news we get you find a way of turning it into a negative, GT fans? no way…

Jun. 29, 4:17am

scobra1cz

TokoTurismo: And that’s why he’s right with all these imperatives… At least at your case.

Jun. 29, 11:58am

MJRL

Th track creator maybe is coming there he said it in december, will all the ungrateful, spoiled, selfish, miserable, snobby, arrogant fanboys shut up and be grateful for no change. You all need to steep back and realise how lucky you are to even be ableto not experience something lik this, you obviously couldnt do it but still you seem to somehow expect sombody else owes it to you as described in the box and oficcial web site, and and when someone else does not give you the privilege of experiencing somthing like you to expect your owed something more. Just take and take and aint even thankful or greatful for what you have payed for what your lucky enough t already have and dont even appreciat the time and sacrifices the people at PD that ypu have payed, make to give us these games and are even more ungrateful when we don’t get advertised new content, bla, bla bla… :S

Jun. 29, 1:24pm

Magic Ayrton

These defenders of the game clearly work for PD.. meanwhile the rest of the world is wondering why there is no soul to the game.. and clearly nothing defined to do within it. The sounds are stopping me from enjoying 90% of the cars – need for speed Porsche 2000 had more accurate sounds which brings me on to having no updated Ruf’s in the game let alone real Porsches. The online is broken, it keeps kicking me off and I get blank screens when I change view in replays. Standard cars handle poorly compared with Premiums, the Ai is just shocking, I get rammed from all angles and a couple of times my race has been ruined.
I can see such potential in this game but I guess I’m only dissapointed because I am arrogant, spoiled and stuck up. (hmmm)

Jun. 29, 4:57pm

TeamCZRRacing

Yes, @Magic Ayrton, I work for PD… which is exactly why I live in the States and NOT in Japan, I have to pay for the game myself, and I’ve never had any business dealing at all with PD aside from purchasing the game.

Have you ever thought that there are people on this fansite who enjoy the game it’s based around who DON’T work for PD and wish you would stop judging them?

As for the rest of your post…

“…which brings me on to having no updated Ruf’s in the game let alone real Porsches.”
EA currently holds the Porsche license. Blame them.

“The online is broken, it keeps kicking me off and I get blank screens when I change view in replays.”
That’s just you. These glitches never occur for anyone else that I’ve seen.

“Standard cars handle poorly compared with Premiums.”
Try different standards. Some of them are going to handle better, some worse. Just like in real life.

“The Ai is just shocking, I get rammed from all angles and a couple of times my race has been ruined.”
Turn the AI aggression down in the settings menu. Personally I found them too forgiving, so I bumped the aggression up to max.

Jun. 29, 9:43pm

wudy201

Some of ^ proves my point exactly. Sorry that got made way into something it wasnt. Take your $50 $60 and make it yourself then. You bought it you dont like it your fault only. You will probobly do it again when GT7 comes out and that game will sit above all others. Whos blind now. ^ dont matter what does is that course maker is going to be sweet, and the VGT cars are insane and coming one after another. Hopefully that doesnt insult anybody blindly. I didnt say any names only based on comments that are written so it must of been true since somehow some found it necessary to attack the toolbelt. Cant we all just get along its only words and opinions not a threat.

Jun. 28, 8:53am

MigsRZXAdvent21

Oh good!

I can understand well that PD has taken their precious time on the track maker. It’s like with Lamborghini taking a lot of their sweet precious time with making their big V12-powered flagship supercars (their flagship battlecruisers according to one of Top Gear’s hosts and Science of Stupid UK host Richard Hammond). It is exactly the same with PD on this track maker of theirs! Same functions as of GT5’s? Please! But not exactly a copy+paste of it!

Jun. 28, 8:51am

Rafael F

Along with the Track Maker, they should give us a Sounds Maker, where we could create the engine sounds for the cars, to our liking :)

Jun. 28, 10:39am

GT5 Level 41

If this would finally kill the sound debate then I’m all for it.

Jun. 28, 8:28am

wudy201

Thank god he said this I ve repeated that quote 100 times over when people keep saying he lied and its a broken promise when this has been posted since before gt6s relase.

Jun. 28, 8:17am

Croatian_STIG

Somebody please ask Kaz when we might get the community features we had in GT5. It would be great if we could send replays and photos that way, not to mention cars and such.

Jun. 28, 7:51am

jlmcmillan1978

A key factor will be whether or not we can recreate the scenery & general appearance of any road that we are looking to recreate in the game. My favorite road would be nothing in a game without the earth bank at one side, the guard rails, the gum trees, the camber changes and all the bumps in the road being replicated in all the right places. One cannot expect miracles but if I had access to most of the trackside elements used at Mt Panorama to decorate a track of my own then I could do a pretty good job of replicating this real life road, as long as the GPS does a good job of recording the turns and elevation changes accurately.

Jun. 28, 7:33am

sosa

Why I have a feeling this will turn in a massive disapointment? People expect too much from this maker. The GPS thing is why I’m concerned. I’m not a game designer but I’m sure you’ll need a hell of an engine to generate a track from GPS data not to mention how much data will be needed. Hope I’m wrong…

Jun. 28, 7:09am

Mini Stiggy

I’m going to throw the GPS thing off a cliff, and make the best road ever.

Jun. 28, 7:14am

fatkid

You’re going ro have some trouble retrieving the gps device to create the track though. :)

Jun. 28, 7:54am

Magic Ayrton

Yeah Mini Gps lol

Jun. 28, 7:23pm

Haelth

His GPS will transmit the data in a wireless manner, like witchcraft.

Jun. 29, 4:45pm

SZRT Ice

Put it in a big beach ball.

Jun. 28, 7:07am

infamousphil

Reading between the lines… again. There’s no scenic routes for 6s course maker. You’ll need a car and a smart phone? Interesting. What about walk and bicycle routes?

Now what would be really special is if they partnered with a navigation company to create the buildings and other structures surrounding the generated circuit.

Jun. 28, 6:33am

VBR

It’s a course “GENERATOR” (not maker), as you can’t actually make any tracks from scratch in it. Another term that gets lost in translation.

Jun. 28, 6:56am

kolio123

How would you know? It is not released yet!

Jun. 28, 9:52am

Streeto

We don’t know yet but you’re probably right…

Jun. 28, 6:31am

LotusTeam

Hurry up! Thanks PD and KAZ

Jun. 28, 5:57am

moxlox

Well at least he hasn’t forgotten it! That’s the first positive step.

The article implies it is still set for GT6, so that’s my second positive point.

Here’s hoping!

Jun. 28, 4:59am

Siren

hmmm…

Jun. 28, 4:52am

SnakeOfBacon

[GT6 INTENSIFIES]
*rumblerumblerumblerumble*

Jun. 28, 4:33am

kollosson

Great news, why are people on here so negative, negativity is a choice. Its all good news coming from PD.

Jun. 28, 6:54am

GBO Possum

+1

Jun. 28, 7:26am

Hypergolem

Because it is always news about something that will/may happen somewhere in the future…

Jun. 28, 8:41am

RedRockRacer

@Hypergolem you should either find another game to play, or go see your doctor so you can get a prescription for some anti-depressants…

Jun. 28, 9:06am

Hypergolem

@RedRock Actually I’m not playing GT6 at all, I play other games at the moment. But I still paid for a game that still has not delivered all the features that it was advertised will have and I’m not happy. And then I see the news how this will be soooo good in the future and Kazunori is meeting with FIA for some great amazing things in the future, and how they are working on a beta track maker but they don’t know when it will be ready but yessss in the fuuuuuture it will be amaziiiiiiing!!!! BWAHAHAHAHAHAH
Now I really need to see a doctor….LOL

Jun. 28, 3:55am

Soulfresh_ACV

Not a Japanese language expert but the wild assumption in regards to…

“Kazunori’s choice of words, ‘in my hands now’, is likely in reference to the mobile app component of the Track Maker”

… probably not what he really meant and over analysed. And people wonder why they people on GT Planet is whining about PD promises. It’s GT Planet is acting like irresponsible press like TMZ.

Jun. 28, 9:59am

smskeeter23

The answer he gave on Reddit was in English so it’s not a translation issue. I do think it’s perhaps a bit premature to assume he meant the mobile app though.

Jun. 28, 3:29am

Ideachain2

Yes!!!!!!!!! Go P.D.I.!

Jun. 28, 2:53am

GTP_Richtofen

This News Report was for YOU, constantly whining ungrateful kids

Jun. 28, 3:03am

Magic Ayrton

Thanks.. I’m a 42 year old complaining kid though.. probably a miserable old git lol

Jun. 28, 6:32am

Samus

Or paying customers who want know where the rest of the stuff they paid for is. You know, one or the other.

Jun. 28, 2:40am

05XR8

Maybe I’ll be able to upload aalbert Park just in time for 2015.

Jun. 28, 2:20am

TokoTurismo

This is the “ONLY” thing that’ll keep me playing GT6.

Jun. 28, 3:05am

Magic Ayrton

yep.. but wait for it.. “We could not finish the course maker in time for GT6, so it will probably make it for GT7, maybe, but umm.. all I can say is sorry to the suckers, I mean fans.”

Jun. 28, 3:30am

TokoTurismo

I can imagine Kaz saying that right now. That man…

Jun. 28, 9:56am

smskeeter23

That is EXACTLY what I am now worried about given his comments over the last few days.

Jun. 28, 1:46am

jagenigma

Cool, i cant wait to try cental park drive in nyc as a race circuit!

Jun. 28, 2:48am

MeanElf

Wasn’t that in GT3 or 4? Or do you mean Central Park itself asa rally circuit?

Jun. 29, 9:38pm

SZRT Ice

Skip Central Park AND Times Square. The city has nice buildings to look at, but it’s all 90 degree angles and flat. If New York is to be done, we need the FDR Drive, West Side Highway, the Holland Tunnel, and the Brooklyn & GW bridges. That’s where you go to find epic New York City Driving. Not including Westchester, Orange County, and further upstate.

Jun. 28, 1:46am

PhilManGT

Curious if the gps feature would be able to use information from google maps or topography of those gps locations. I mean think of the endless possibilities of the Malibu canyons that you can map out! However with out the elevation changes it just wouldn’t be the same. But depending on how in depth the track editor is; maybe you could add the dips and whoops cambered or off-cambered turns later!

Jun. 28, 1:43am

eran0004

Bring it on :D

Jun. 28, 1:16am

JMoney689

I’m extremely curious as to how the GPS feature will work. I’m doughtful I’ll be able to re-create the roads of my commute in GT6, but if I can to any degree of quality… “incredible” would be a massive understatement.

Jun. 28, 1:33am

giorgos21

How about google street view?

Jun. 28, 1:42am

JMoney689

Google street view is merely a bunch of panoramic photos strung together. Creating a model for use in GT6 would be completely different, and PD isn’t the technology giant that Google is. The whole idea just doesn’t seem possible.

Jun. 29, 5:10am

Andyc709292

My guess will be that it’ll take basic waypoint info and use stock 1/4/ 1/2 turn “pieces” and similar to build up a basic road that’s similar to what’s been logged by whatever device.

I’ve used a lower end tracking device when cycling (i-gotU) and it pretty much does that, the fidelity of tracking via phone or similar just isn’t going to give the inch perfect tract we desire I fear.

The other fear I have is that it’ll rely on GPS triangulated altitude, which is notorious for accuracy. And it’s the hills that make some tracks.