Caffeine..Advice Needed

I use caffeine tablets throughout the day and have for years now. It roughly works out to 400mg to 700mg a day depending on whats going on. I use no other stims, energy drinks, or preworkouts. I am in good shape, single digit body fat, generally eat clean.

I'm wondering what support supps you would recommend to account for any vitamin/mineral deficiencies or hormonal/physical stress caused by the caffeine use?

What should I be taking daily to buffer and support? Recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

Nope. If this guy is using caffeine daily at the same dose for years, cardiovascular, and more importantly, neuroendocrine adaptation occurred long ago.

In other words, he has obvious tolerance to caffeine. If anything, ceasing caffeine consumption would cause a transient period of abnormal cardiovascular function, including the dreaded headaches.

Right, because that's symptoms of withdrawal? So your body adapts to your caffeine consumption is what you're saying with the neuroendo adaptation? And at what point can you burn our your adrenal glands with caffeine?

Right, because that's symptoms of withdrawal? So your body adapts to your caffeine consumption is what you're saying with the neuroendo adaptation? And at what point can you burn our your adrenal glands with caffeine?

Adrenal fatigue is a myth, you can find it stashed away with myostatin inhibitors and unicorns.

Right, because that's symptoms of withdrawal? So your body adapts to your caffeine consumption is what you're saying with the neuroendo adaptation? And at what point can you burn our your adrenal glands with caffeine?

Right, the body is in a constant state of adaptation. The plasticity of the human body is one of the most mindblowing concepts when you really think about it. I obviously believe in evolution, but the fact that natural selection could produce such a well-regulated, dynamic, sustained equilibrium, day in and day out for 80+ years, is absurd.

Let me ask: why do you think the adrenal glands might get burned out? What other gland gets burned out (there is one major one, I'll let you think on it)?

Originally Posted by JD261985

Some people mistake chronic fatigue from things like allergies or Generalized Anxiety Disorder for adrenal fatigue. I mean there are so many things that can play into chronic fatigue

Agreed. Adrenal fatigue is used as a blanket term for chronic fatigue these days. There's no denying that overdoing certain things can induce fatigue...but the fatigue is just not related to the adrenal glands as you mentioned.

Originally Posted by Celorza

Imagine how much we could learn if every night Coop narrated science facts and studies in your dreams, with the voice of Morgan Freeman and his own chiseled physique?

I think you'd be quite disappointed if you saw my physique and heard my voice as of late lol

Appreciate the responses. I have developed tolerance and no longer have any significant cardiovascular effect. However, I was under the impression that chronic high dose caffeine use could deplete b vitamins, calcium, and interfere with iron absorption. Also what about cortisol?

Appreciate the responses. I have developed tolerance and no longer have any significant cardiovascular effect. However, I was under the impression that chronic high dose caffeine use could deplete b vitamins, calcium, and interfere with iron absorption. Also what about cortisol?

All of that micronutrient absorption is negligible unless you have a pre-existing condition. For instance, b-vitamins are in ridiculously high abundance in the Western Diet. Calcium loss from caffeine is on the order of 1-2% of the RDA daily at the doses you're using, which won't matter unless you have osteoporosis. Iron is another micronutrient that is not only overly abundant in the Western diet but is often found in excesses in well-nourished individuals due to a poorly established excretion system.

And what about cortisol? Cortisol experiences transient fluxes even without the presence of caffeine.

Let's examine the flip-side: caffeine is incredibly neuroprotective and BDNF-promoting, and is actually prescribed in megadoses (1g+) to people suffering from central nervous system issues. One of my friends and a forum-member here is actually on megadosed caffeine for this reason.

^For those interested, very inspirational story. Sorry for the outside link but I think everyone should read this to understand how fortunate they are...and this dude never complains about anything:

Right, the body is in a constant state of adaptation. The plasticity of the human body is one of the most mindblowing concepts when you really think about it. I obviously believe in evolution, but the fact that natural selection could produce such a well-regulated, dynamic, sustained equilibrium, day in and day out for 80+ years, is absurd.

Let me ask: why do you think the adrenal glands might get burned out? What other gland gets burned out (there is one major one, I'll let you think on it)?

Agreed. Adrenal fatigue is used as a blanket term for chronic fatigue these days. There's no denying that overdoing certain things can induce fatigue...but the fatigue is just not related to the adrenal glands as you mentioned.

I think you'd be quite disappointed if you saw my physique and heard my voice as of late lol

Pft like hell, send em on Facebook or to my email. I'm sure you are exaggerating.

[QUOTE=mr.cooper69;3880040]All of that micronutrient absorption is negligible unless you have a pre-existing condition. For instance, b-vitamins are in ridiculously high abundance in the Western Diet. Calcium loss from caffeine is on the order of 1-2% of the RDA daily at the doses you're using, which won't matter unless you have osteoporosis. Iron is another micronutrient that is not only overly abundant in the Western diet but is often found in excesses in well-nourished individuals due to a poorly established excretion system.

And what about cortisol? Cortisol experiences transient fluxes even without the presence of caffeine.

Let's examine the flip-side: caffeine is incredibly neuroprotective and BDNF-promoting, and is actually prescribed in megadoses (1g+) to people suffering from central nervous system issues. One of my friends and a forum-member here is actually on megadosed caffeine for this reason.

^For those interested, very inspirational story. Sorry for the outside link but I think everyone should read this to understand how fortunate they are...and this dude never complains about anything:

Interesting. What are your thoughts on supplementing with a multi, b complex or vitamins/minerals in general?

Right, the body is in a constant state of adaptation. The plasticity of the human body is one of the most mindblowing concepts when you really think about it. I obviously believe in evolution, but the fact that natural selection could produce such a well-regulated, dynamic, sustained equilibrium, day in and day out for 80+ years, is absurd.

Let me ask: why do you think the adrenal glands might get burned out? What other gland gets burned out (there is one major one, I'll let you think on it)?

Agreed. Adrenal fatigue is used as a blanket term for chronic fatigue these days. There's no denying that overdoing certain things can induce fatigue...but the fatigue is just not related to the adrenal glands as you mentioned.

I think you'd be quite disappointed if you saw my physique and heard my voice as of late lol

Hmmm I'm not really sure I haven't read up on my endocrinology yet, next semester though (can't wait ). But evolution is insane, the fact that we were so different years ago and se vestigial structures and relationships remain is awesome. For example how viruses penetrate cells and our cells can read the protein coating on a virus an accept it and have no defense against it. Vestigial relationships in action! At one point viruses must've helped our body and cell health but now they destroy our cells and cause trouble.