20 Jun 2019 17:54:08
Hey vbbvbb and company claiming hall was going to resign in new Jersey and trying to say I was wrong when I said he wanted out. You wanted proof here it is lads!

TAYLOR HALL WANTS OUT OF NEW JERSEY

According to The Fourth Period's David Pagnotta, Taylor Hall wants out of New Jersey and will not re-sign with the team at the re-sign phase next summer.

In Pagnotta's report, Hall is expected to be traded prior to the debut of the 2019-20 season. Hall is eligible for a contract extension on July 1st, but he and his agent aren't interested in what New Jersey has to offer.
As the Devils try to convince the 2018 NHL MVP Taylor Hall to sign a long-term extension with the organization, multiple well-placed sources have told TFP the 27-year old, as of now, is not interested in signing a new deal with the club. Hall has no NMC, the Devils can trade him to the highest bidder. Where do you think Hall will land?

By: Ryan Beliveau on Monday, June 03, 2019

This does decrease his value. And the difference between comparable player matt Duchene and Taylor Hall as to why a 1st was involved in Duchene deal and why

Ott : Ceci, boadker, chlapic, 2nd, and maybe tychonic or Paul

Bud : hall

Is more than enough is pretty simple, Duchene was negotiating and trying to come back to Ottawa while hall clearly wants out and went on record saying as much. The difference between can't agree to terms and won't agree to terms.

On top of that Duchene got Davidson abromov and a 1st

Ceci plus the 2nd equal the value of the 1st coupled with the fact hall won't come back to jersey

Chlapic =/ > abramov

Boadker with just 1year left plus Paul or especially tychonic moer than = Davidson possibly greater value even

Hall till end of next season is the same value as Duchene till end of year plus playoff run both are a risk of leaving

Heck even stone didn't get a 1st and he's arguably a better all round player than hall with comparable numbers and that was basically a sign and trade. If stone sign and trade don't land a 1st or even more than branstrom and a 2nd then no way hall will lol

Branstrom solid prospect but has yet to prove he can live up to the hype.

3.) 20 Jun 2019 19:19:20
If you think the majority of the people on this site were taking issue with Hall wanting out of New Jersey, and not your god awful incredibly biased offer that would not even land his services at the deadline as a rental, well you are even more obtuse than I thought, which is saying something.

5.) 20 Jun 2019 21:53:38
All that article says is that he's not interested in what the devils offered. He maybe wants to make sure the team is trying to win with him there, or would rather negotiate on a stronger season than 36 games played. Maybe it's that he wants shorter term contract top have more control.

6.) 20 Jun 2019 22:00:14
How about Taylor hall for Ottawa's first in 2020, top 3 protected ( otherwise goes to 2021 1st unprotected) and Branstrom? The first is= to ceci and a 2nd, branstrom is unproven, surely boedker, Chaplic, and Paul= that.

7.) 20 Jun 2019 23:52:42
where in that report is Taylor hall quoted saying he wants out of new Jersey? I believe what you have here is an article written solely on the beliefs of the writer. I also read in a separate article that both Taylor hall and gm Shero shot that rumor down, saying there's no truth to it. halls value would go down if he asked to be traded (like Duchene did to the avalanche) but that's not the case at all, all you have here is a story. but thanks for telling it right from the start for us.

10.) 24 Jun 2019 20:24:49
Facelift 39 in no world does hall carry more value than stone does sorry just doesn't happen or make sense. Sure he may put up 10 to 15 more points in a season but stone keeps improving in that regard every season while hall stays the same. On top of that while offensive numbers are close defensive game by a landslide goes to stone. Hall as speed and skill but no guts to get in the dirty areas where stone not only gets in those dirty areas but also strips the puck from oppenens and back checks like a beast. Stone is easily top 5 maybe top 3 defensive forwards in the game while hall might be what? Top 30 offensive forwards in the game? Lol no comparison bud. So if stone gets a 2nd, a b+/ a- prospect, and a nobody then this trade is more than enough for hall whether you agree or not!

11.) 24 Jun 2019 20:33:31
And to vbbvbb who says pagnottas word means as much as a crack head. Even a crack head is a more reliable source than people like you keyboard GM's on this site especially you lol. There's a reason pagnotta gets paid to write these articAls and spread his rumors or opinions and you are stuck posting trash on here like you do lol it's because you don't have a clue how things work. And your post about Marner above proves that. To sign Marner at the money he wants leaves are guaranteed to lose significant players in each of the coming 5 years. They will also set themselves back another 25 years at least before they see another Stanley Cup and it won't be seen in Marner era guaranteed. Just shows how ridiculous you are.

12.) 25 Jun 2019 17:28:42
And monkeyful. That branstrom and a top 3 protected 1st for hall proposal was a joke right? That's far more than even stone got lol no chance Ottawa gives that much. If the 1st was lottery protected permanently meaning the first time Ottawa is not top 10 they can have that pick, and you replace branstrom with someone like Davidson and chlapic then sure maybe that's doable but no way Ottawa gives up another great chance at a lotto pick especially with the kids coming up in the next few drafts.

No chance Ottawa trades any of their own picks untill at least 20223/ 2024 with guys like Lafreniere, savoie, etc coming up.

The 5th overall pick would be used to take Bowen Byram and leaves Ottawa with roughly 39.25 to 41.25 million to work with. And with the cap floor at roughly 60 million Ottawa would then need to spend at least 22 million to reach it, so.

Make a 9.25 million offer over 4 - 5 years to matt Duchene it's an offer that can lure him back to Ottawa as he was intrigued by the 8 they initially offered, what this does is it gets rid of most contender teams offers as most couldn't fit an offer like that under the cap, leaving Columbus as arguably the only other team in the running for him which is a win win for Ottawa either way.

Give Bobrovsky the max contract over 2 to 3 years, gets Ottawa a legit goalie and time for Gustafson to grow into NHL status. The rußsians are all about the money so I can't see him turning down this kind of offer.

Pageau becomes trade bait in 2019/ 2020
Ryan becomes trade bait in 2020/ 2021 (in his last year or 2 when his contract is no longer a liability as he still has skill)

This gives flexibility to get the kids signed later on down the road with 16 million free space this offseason that goes unused and by trading pageau and Ryan in coming seasons that gives another 10 million on top plus when Bobrovsky contract is up they'll know if Gustafson is ready for NHL or not giving the choice of keep Bobrovsky at a pay cut or let him walk and bring up Gustafson to replace him.

Now obviously this will never happen with an idiot like Melnyk at the helm but it is what should be done if Ottawa is to contend anytime soon.

NoBiasRambo2

1.) 18 Jun 2019 02:43:56
Nkw that the jets gang will go into hiding, its time for Rambo to burst back onto the scene. Its like you guys have a set clock, we couldn’t have Fairtradeforall, the jets guys, you and Colt all barking at each other at the same time. I guess there is one constant though; Pinhead.

I don't even know what i'm rambling about, but between the Raptors parade and the Jets getting a nickel on the dollar for Trouba, i'm beyond happy today. Ah ha ha ha ha!

2.) 18 Jun 2019 02:56:10
What? Ryan is a healthy scratch? But you’ve spent pages arguing that he had such positive trade value and that we were all part of some anti-sens conspiracy that undervalued your beloved Sens players — what happened?

3.) 18 Jun 2019 02:59:04
also, i hate to burst your fantasy bubble, but Ottawa ain’t contending until melnyk is removed from the equation, and they are going to remain dumpster fire until that day. Full stop. The end.

17 Jun 2019 14:39:36
Melnyk claims he's ready to spend this offseason and wants to be back in the playoff mix in next couple years and will have to spend to reach cap floor. He's got the means to make good on that back in playoff mix soon but whether or not he makes good on that statement is anyone's guess. Here's what I would do.

1st : Ottawa has roughly 36.2 million in projected cap space already in offseason and will hopefully use around 6 -6.5 million to bring back white and duclair for roughly 3-3.5 million each leaving around 30 million.

Next : Condon, Andy and smith are becoming liabilities so either trade them all for later round picks or buy two of them out freeing 8.25 million more for a total of 38.25 or 40.25 million in space roughly.

Then :

Ott : rights to Ceci, boadker, chlapic, SJS 2nd

Njd : hall

Hall has 1 more year and already on record that he won't be a devil as of next off season giving Ottawa a chance to get him again. Ottawa has plenty in the system now they can afford to give up a prospect and a 2nd as well as boadker. Devils get 1 year of boadker then can lock him in cheaper in next off season and get a top 4 Dman back to replace the 1 they lost for hall in the 1st place, along with a solid top 9 forward, a solid b+ prospect and a 2nd all for a guy the losing anyway next offseason. This then leaves Ottawa with 36.25 - 38.25 million this offseason.

Then :

Ott : CBJ 1st, teirney, davidsson, jaros, Ott 2nd in 2020

Lak : 5th overall.

NoBiasRambo2

1.) 17 Jun 2019 14:58:36
lol it’d take Tkachuk or Chabot to land Hall he’s not going to be sold as a rental.

Vbbvbb normally you would be right but not in this case. Halls value isn't as high as it normally could be as he is on record saying he's not signing back with Devils so no team will offer full value Guaranteed. A top 4 Dman, a solid 2nd3rd line speedy winger who's due for a pay cut at the right time, a b to b+ prospect, and a 2nd round pick should get the job done, if they have to add another b prospect to Ottawa side that's cool too, throw in Paul, or tychonic?

4.) 17 Jun 2019 15:47:15
So you are saying since an all-star saying he doesn’t want to resign makes his value basically nothing? Boadker is not a 2nd/ 3rd line player he is a 3rd at best Ceci’s rights mean jack rubbish as he is a 5th D and he might not want to sign and you are only giving a B+ prospect and a 2nd. I’m sorry but you’ll need to give up a first to even get the conversation started.

6.) 17 Jun 2019 17:56:44
It doesn't matter how you look at it guys, in the eyes of the league ceci is a number 4 Dman at absolute worst number 3 at best on any team, that's a fact despite how bad we all think in is he still eats big minutes and is considered a top 4 not a 5 not a 6 not a scratch, a top 4!

Boadker is a great 3rd liner who can handle 2nd line minutes too. On top of that he has just 1 year left on a bad contract which is more than managable!

Chlapick will be a solid 3rd possible 2nd line forward in time

A 2nd is a solid b to b+ possible prospect after the draft

For a guy who they could wait like every other team if price is too deep and go for him next offseason when he leaves njd yeah, that's a pretty good haul for hall.

Original hall trade that was mixed was straight up for Ceci, he is getting quite a bit more in this one.

7.) 17 Jun 2019 19:18:50
1st of all Rambo he never said that nor is it an rumour he will most likely resign they just got a franchise changing piece in Hughes/ Kakko and have tons of cap space. He’ll resign I’ll promise.

8.) 17 Jun 2019 19:27:50
Yeah it doesn’t matter how we look at it, but you, the guy who suggested Karlsson would get traded for Point, Sergachev, and 2 firsts, and whose predictions have been proven comically wrong countless other times on this site by history, you’re the voice of reason around here 😂.

13 May 2019 17:34:00
Rumors that Vancouver trying to dump Erickson contract on Ottawa. Only way this works for Ottawa is

Van : Erickson, 10th overall

Ott : smith, Ceci

Reasoning.

Smith has a significantly smaller contract than Erickson and could benefit from a change of scenery.

Ceci can be looked at in a couple ways.

1 - a top 4 right handed Dman is hard to come by
2 - his contract is up at season's end anyway leaving Vancouver a way out of his contract if they can't agree on a fair contract

And Erickson contract is yet another horrible contract and if Vancouver wants to dump him the will have to give up something good to do it. A 10th overall is a good pick but in a weak draft it won't be a game changer pick. So giving it up won't really hurt Vancouver and next year they'll likely be back in the lottery next year so rather than add me to years 1st and taking the risk it could be lottery they give up their current pick. As it will take a 1st to move a bum on a big contract.

NoBiasRambo2

1.) 13 May 2019 19:20:53
Dump ster fi-re clap clap, clap-clap-clap

How about instead Ottawa trades their first round pick for. oh wait, never mind.

Pittsburgh downgrades a couple older forwards to get a massive upgrade on the back end as well as adding a couple 1sts while Nashville uses a piece of it's crazy blue line to add a major scoring touch needed to go all the way.

Forsberg Malkin arvidsson
Simmonds Johansson Kessel.

NoBiasRambo2

1.) 29 Apr 2019 01:40:27
This is not a good trade, no. Pittsburgh must not give up two of their best three forwards. Kessel and Malkin is almost 200 points they would lose. Crosby would cry. He would be so very lonely without Malkin.

I keep seeing these William Nylander trades. You guys do realize he's already resigned in Toronto right? Do you also realize that a big reason he did re sign with Toronto was because of a promise made by Kyle Dubas himself (the Leafs gm) that however long Dubas is in charge of the Leafs that nylander WILL NOT be traded whatsoever!

So in order for Nylander to be traded Dubas MUST be fired or demoted first, that much is common sense people.

Besides that, after his dismal return to the Leafs and poor playoff performance, even if it was possible to trade him, with that contract to boot, his value would be equal to or less than that of Bobby Ryan's at this point.

Think about it, who in their right mind would pay top dollar for a guy who's making 7+ million a season, has trouble producing offence, is afraid to go in the corners, and plays with no Hart? At least with Bobby Ryan he does back check and does play the corners and does play with heart in his game, not to mention his contract is nearly over while Nylanders just beginning lol just sayin.

NoBiasRambo2

1.) 04 May 2019 16:57:06
as a sens fan I can't believe you're comparing Nylander to ryan value wise, look at the age difference to begin. bobby ryan is a complete bum at every end of the ice, anyone who denies that isn't watching sens games. zero intensity whatsoever and the sens will not have a chance at winning until his contract expires!

2.) 04 May 2019 17:18:14
I've been told, and told women that we were going to stay together forever, and well . things change, as what could happen in the Nylander/ Dubas situation.
Obviously Nylander hasn't performed up to standards, however last season is over. Let's see what a summer of no drama, a full camp does for him. If he has the same season as he did this one, then we can all criticize him. I think he's a good player, and jus needs to find his confidence again, which I beleive he will.
However, If I was Dubas, he would be a player I'd dangle in the market to shore up the D.
And. Let's not compare him to Bobby Ryan.

4.) 04 May 2019 17:21:48
You’re right. GM’s have NEVER said one thing and then done something that conflicts with what they said. What a room temperature IQ comment.

Dubas also never said nylander will ‘not be traded whatsoever’. But hey if it helps you feel better about Ottawa finishing dead last, not having their first round pick, having no direction, a cheap owner who won’t pay what it takes to retain his star players, and everything else that makes Ottawa a dumpster fire of an organization, you do you kiddo.

7.) 05 May 2019 13:07:55
Everyone is saying Nylander is over payed but 2 seasons ago he was just as good as Marner before he had this break out season. You all will be shutting your mouths when Nylander hits 95 points next season. His contract has potential to be a steal. No defence but unreal offensive ability’s.

8.) 05 May 2019 14:05:42
I think 95 points is quite a reach. He has all the talent but zero heart. Maybe he does some soul searching in the offseason and comes back a different player, but that kind of change is almost unheard of at this point (you either have that drive or you don’t) .

That said, I think last season was an anomaly and that he’s a 30 goal / 30 assist player in an average season, which at $7mln is sort of par for the course (I have a problem with him making more than Pasta but he’s probably about overpaid by about a million which is not horrendous) . If the Leafs were smart they would put him back with Matthews to start the season to try and get him going again, and then trade him for defensive help assuming he gets off to a good start and props his value back up.

Shoulda coulda woulda, but the Leafs should have traded him as soon as he held out last season, even it it meant trading him at a discount for a good defense prospect or something. Would have sent a message to the other guys looking to play hardball and they probably could have gotten matthews (and marner) signed to long term deals at a way lower cap hit (marner for sure) . It was pretty obvious Marner was going to put up career numbers after they signed Tavares. Dubas effed up.

9.) 05 May 2019 15:11:15
I agree 100% with unsportsmanlike. 60 point guy is about right, 95 I hope vbb’s. The contract is not bad and no he doesn’t play with heart. Every team has those guys. Nobody plays like Bobby Ryan though, lol. Rambo must be lurking in the weeds somewhere after realizing he’s on his own again.

10.) 06 May 2019 22:34:18
😂😂😂
Yeah, businessmen never talk BS.
Grow up. Nylander is trade fodder, that’s just the way it is. Not saying he’ll get traded, I actually doubt he will, but to say he won’t because of a “promise” is absurd. You can’t actually believe that’s keeping a trade from happening, can you?

02 Mar 2019 22:52:54
I don't follow him enough but have heard good things about Arizona prospect jakob chychrun. Just wandering how good is he really and would it be possible for Ottawa to land him without moving Chabot branstrom Lajoie wolanin tkechuck or their own or cbj 1sts. And if so would it cost them SJS 1st next year as a part of that deal?

This is one I don't know how to guague because I don't know very much about the kid just what a few buddies who like him tell me.

NoBiasRambo2

1.) 03 Mar 2019 02:14:40
He's good but has injury trouble in each of his 1st 3 seasons when healthy he can probably be a top 4 on every team in the league. I don't see Arizona wanting to trade him unless it's an overpayment from the other team. It would have to be a huge add with that San Jose pick to even get them to listen.

4.) 03 Mar 2019 05:38:45
Before I knew enough, with this guy I've seen bits and pieces where he looks good but mostly just what I heard from pals. And kind've fits with the responses here I figured a big piece would likely need to be paired with SJS pick just wasn't sure how big if it were a possiblity with what sens have left. But if he's injury prone still a bit risky to package that much for him.

6.) 05 Mar 2019 22:20:24
I was thinking of him as a compliment to branstrom like demelo is to Chabot but if he's injury prone and still too pricey to get I think Ottawa might be better off to wait till 2019 draft and hope cbj fall hard maybe use a 2nd or 3rd and or a B prospect to move up this difference between where cbj is at that point to 5th or 6th and take Bowen byrim if he's still available at that point, seeing as how that is a real possibility with all the tough teams cbj has to play yet coupled with Ottawa vs cbj in their last game where Ottawa can play major spoiler and help their pick at the same time or hurt in if they have to in order to drop it out of top 3 status of needed.

4.) 10 Feb 2019 15:33:22
NoBiasRambo is Dave Pagnotta the same guy that made you think that Karlson was going to get a return of something like Sergachev, Point + first rd pick. Was that what it was Ramboo? Funny tho because he got 1/ 4 of what you said wich makes me think it's going to be the same thing with both these players.

Ottawa has the speed to keep pace with McDavid while Edmonton has the high end depth to help Duchene and stone and minimize the Ceci down side as well as the younger talent to keep white on his current up swing plus Ottawa would have a new franchise piece to build around that is actually secured long term.

2.) 02 Jan 2019 12:10:48
Anything for McDavid starts with Chabot and a 1st+. Duchene and Stone are in the last year or their contract right? Edmonton will need guaranteed young long term impact players back even if they include Lucic.

4.) 02 Jan 2019 20:07:04
Lucic cancels out McDavids value. Lucic is 6 million dollar beer league grinder probably can’t even balance on the ice without a stick. No team will take him no matter what’s added.

5.) 03 Jan 2019 14:54:01
First off I did say all players signed jbs32. And given the fact Ottawa is just starting a rebuild, including Chabot and a 1st is not an option. It's bad enough if they have to pay this much as both Duchene and stone are long term impact players and white and chlapic will be as well, and with a more well rounded defencive minded team around him Ceci would look a lot better in Edmonton too, not to say he'll be out right amazing but better than his time in Ottawa.

Topshelfslappers McDavid is amazing but he's not Gretzky and even Gretzky didn't get the type of return your saying, this right here is more than fair value for McDavid.
2 top 3 towards, an A level prospect, a B+ level prospect, and a top 4 defenceman, all fully signed, Edmonton would be insane to say no to something like this even for McDavid.

And you can say he'll never be traded all you want but truth is anyone at anytime can be traded, Gretzky was, Karlsson was, Seguin was, Toews Kane on the block, if a team feels the only way to change their luck is to move their biggest star for multiple peices they'll likely do it. And Edmonton has been the joke of the league a lot longer than Ottawa has even in McDavid era as he's the solo shining light it seems but they also don't have any players like stone and Duchene.

Also topshelfslappers, white and stone plus Duchene and chlapic and even Ceci plus taking on Lucic is still better value than swapping out Lucic Ceci chlapic and Duchene for Chabot as good as he is, maybe read the trade in full before another ignorant comment.

7.) 03 Jan 2019 20:56:24
But Duchene and Stone signed will have a higher cap hit than McDavid, and provide less value. White and Chlapic are not A and B+ prospects they’re like a B and C. Edmonton is worse defensively than Ott, they won’t make Ceci look better, and making him look better instead of actually making him better doesn’t give him more value. Gretzky did get a better return, Carson was 20 coming off a 100 point season and drafted 2nd overall 2 years prior. Gelinas was 7th overall that summer. Carson was one of the best young players in the game, Gelinas one of the top prospects. They also got 3 first round picks (better value than white, Chlapik and Ceci) and 15 million dollars. They also didn’t have to worry about a cap environment, and this trade is not good for the oilers from a cap perspective as they would take on cap (which they can’t) and while they gain some depth it’s not a move that sets them up better really now or in the future as opposed to keeping McDavid. Starts with Chabot (young star player with lots of cheap team control) and at least 1 first for McDavid and add from there.

8.) 03 Jan 2019 23:21:30
Jbs32. Ottawa has offencive minded defenceman which despite how much Ceci tries to play defensively he'll always be better offencively as that's what he was drafted as in the first place, where Edmonton defence is better in their own end than Ottawa defence is, 40+ shots against per game in Ottawa should tell you that.

And what more does white have to do to prove he's an A level prospect? He was same value level as Chabot last year and the year before during Duchene trade talks according to sakic and every sports anylists worth mentioning, and this year the guy is literally the current 2nd best rookie in the league and in the same discussion as Petterson, dahlin, svechnikov, and his own team and line mate tkechuck in that regard, stop downplaying the players just because you hate the team.

Chlapic don't have much NHL experience to go on but based on his preseason work as well as hype from his world Juniors year, and critics statements on him he's a b level prospect whether you think he is or not.

Duchene and stone will have a higher cap hit than McDavid sure but definitely not a whole lot lower in value especially fully signed, dream on dude, McDavid is 3rd in league with 61 points currently and both Duchene and stone are not only 2 of the best defensive forwards in the game but both also top 35 with 40 and 45 points respectively 95 combined currently and Duchene fairly close speed wise too.

Sure McDavid will be between 80 and 115 points a season but both stone and Duchene consistently get between 55 and 80 points a season so the value is fairly even until you factor in age which white and chlapic more than make up for and while you might say Ceci value cancels that I counter by saying lucic value kicks Ceci value out the window and makes the value of this trade go in favour of Edmonton by quite a bit.

As bad as the Ceci value might be portrayed as, the Lucic value is far worst by a land slide, plus if Ceci don't work out, who cares? His contract is up at end of year while Lucic still has major term, so really Edmonton saves cap space long term as lucic plus McDavid costs more than a fully signed stone and Duchene as well as more than the current contracts of stone plus Duchene plus Ceci, and can just let Ceci walk if he doesn't pan out.

9.) 04 Jan 2019 03:09:21
Also white is a former 1st rounder himself who's currently exceeding what was expected of of the year he was drafted, and chlapic though drafted mid 2nd round 3 years ago is well on his ways to exceeding what is expected of him and quite frankly most first 1st round draftees as well.

On top of that Duchene and stone put up high end numbers every season and are 2 of the best end to end players in the game today despite what you think of Ottawa and Ceci though hated in Ottawa is still a top 4 dman.

Now here's what separates that Gretzky trade, it never had a massively overpayed trash can signed long term like Lucic involved in the deal to begin with, where as this trade serves 2 purposes,

1 - it gets top dollar or more for McDavid that much is a sure thing

2 - it also gives them a funnel they won't find elsewhere to offload Lucic and his long term 6 mill+

It also gives them back a little depth after those horrible hall and Eberle trades and though the fans might be angry at first after losing McDavid I believe stone white and Duchene will ease that anger quite quickly and chlapic will be a super pleasant surprise down the road while McDavid will fit in nicely in Ottawa and find a handful of guys who can actually keep up to his speed in guys like formenton, boadker, dzingle, and Batherson. Plus Chabot feeding McDavid would be so sikk. Plus it opens the possibility of Karlsson returbing in offseason at a discount for the opportunity to play with McDavid assuming Gaborik is bought out and smith is shipped out.

10.) 04 Jan 2019 03:31:34
Letting a guy walk is counter intuitive to acquiring him. Ceci still isn’t good. You don’t seem to grasp how prospect grades work, there are maybe 5-10 A prospects at any given time. White isn’t one of them. A means generational/ superstar and White isn’t that. I don’t have Ottawa, because people don’t over value players the same way you do doesn’t mean they hate the team. Chlapik is putting up a decent but not extraordinary season in the AHL, his numbers are worse than Tampa AHL rookies Barre-Boulet and Raddysh who I’m sure you would agree would be a stretch to call B prospects. The package just isn’t right for McDavid without someone like Chabot going back. I understand where McDavid is in the points race I also understand he’s played 3 seasons (2 full) won 2 Art Ross trophies and hasn’t even reached his prime yet. He could very well put up 120+ points annually and he’s not even getting any help.

13.) 04 Jan 2019 12:46:41
White is not a prospect he's a very soon to be 22 year old. He should be producing even more so then he has if he was ever considered an A prospect. its not right to compare him to teenagers. there are a lot of players in the last two drafts that I'd take over him in a heartbeat. You want to see an A prospect check out what pettersson is doing as a 19 year old.

14.) 04 Jan 2019 15:45:27
I’d give White prospect status, I feel comfortable calling non established players prospects until about 24. Chlapik falls in the same boat he’s only 5 months younger. McDavid is 2 weeks older than White, meaning he’s the same age as the prospects being acquired in this deal. I don’t have time to argue everything Rambo is saying here today, so I’ll just leave it at if all of Ottawa’s players and prospects are as good as you say why is Ottawa last in their division, 31 points out of first, and their AHL team 6th in their division 10 points out of first despite being middle of the pack in terms of average age in the developmental league?

15.) 04 Jan 2019 22:00:37
I just find it hard to rank a player at 21 or 22 the same as a 18 year old. Like in 3 years every player in the top 20 of last years draft could be putting up better numbers then white has this season. But they are not all A prospects like Rambo said white is. a 22 year old who has 60 plus nhl games played should be ranked on his nhl performance not on a prospect basis IMO.

18.) 05 Jan 2019 18:04:50
Eh I don’t mind the term prospect on a player until it’s unreasonable to expect more development or they are firmly established. White is very much not an A prospect, and comparing him to guys like Petterson is a joke, but he’s still a prospect in my mind. A non-affiliated Lightning prospect site I enjoy and respect uses under 24, under 41 games in a season and under 82 game career as benchmarks. So White would be close to graduating. But Young NHL players still have that growth to be considered when evaluating. Also keep in mind when Rambo calls White the second best rookie he’s only talking points (not taking into account games played, defensive ability, TOI, or position)

19.) 06 Jan 2019 18:33:56
Fair point about Petterson I can respect that but white is still better than a B+ prospect, he's A- at worst and a 2 year age gap don't seperate him from prospect status when the kid is only 21, if that's considered old this world is in the gutter. Chlapic is easily a B to a B+ prospect himself.

And the reason Ottawa is doing bad is because of poor coaching, terrible management decisions, and a cheap owner. Arguably some would say the AHL top line of balcers, Batherson and yes, chlapic are more dangerous than the NHL top line this season the way they've played. On top of that how's a team supposed to win consistently when you're fighting that, plus has the most bad or missed calls by refs every game of any other team costing them games, plus half the main stars being injured most of the season?

Pageau, Ryan, Chabot, tkechuck, Duchene, demelo, Ceci, etc all injured at some point, you don't think that plays a factor in winning or losing games?

As for McDavid production which I agree could likely reach 120 in a season at some point what do you think stone + Duchene + white + chlapic will reach? Stone and Duchene alone get 55 + points anually each working out to combined 110 add white to that who's getting better every year and likely will be a top 6 forward himself with between 40 and 60 points a season and chlapic who will likely be between 25 and 45 points a season (and that's just spirit balling predictions) I'd say McDavid is more than paid for, add in the Ceci for Lucic part and it's guaranteed paid for.

You asked why acquire Ceci only to drop him? Simple.

Lucic - long term terrible contract

Ceci - end of bad contract

Ceci is better player, better contract, shorter term contract, and a contract they can either sign at a lower rate or let go without worry or backlash of a buyout penalty while Lucic they either forced to keep, works against their cap, does nothing to earn his keep, and only way they likely to get rid of him is to buy him out or retain half his salary in any other deal both of which work against their cap.

20.) 06 Jan 2019 21:48:58
Rambo the Lightning have played most the season missing one or more of Hedman Stralman Miller Palat injuries happen to every team. The Barre Boulet-Conacher-Verhaeghe line is just one line that has been better than any line in Belleville. I’m not saying White isn’t a good prospect and Chlapik isn’t decent but A prospect means superstar, white isn’t that. He’s likely a middle 6 guy that might be able to play up if needed. What does moving Lucic have anything to do with acquiring Ceci? Just because one isn’t as bad as the other doesn’t mean you need to take one to move the other in a trade involving Connor McDavid.

21.) 09 Jan 2019 11:23:14
Taking Ceci is to basically even out the cap hits if you want to look at it that way and still provide possible value if he works out jbs. If he don't, who cares as his contract is up at year's end anyway. Edmonton gets more than enough value for McDavid with everything else plus offloads and immovable long term contract. I don't see how you don't see that?

Both stone and Duchene are amazing 2 way players that are consistently among leagues best, white will be up there too and is along the way now, chlapic will also be solid, where as Ceci is a means to move Lucic but could be a risk reward player.

18 Dec 2018 00:25:53
Alright guys instead of the usual trade post I just want to see everyones oppinion on one of the hottest topics of the next 2 seasons.

Jack Hughes vs Alexis Lafreniere?

This year's number 1 vs next year's number 1

Agree for Lafreniere who I personally prefer and think is the better player

Disagree for Hughes if you like him more

Love to hear some oppinions on both anyway so feel free to give some friendly feedback.

NoBiasRambo2

1.) 18 Dec 2018 12:42:09
Wow 1st post that wasn’t hilariously bad. I’ve played against Alexis Lafreniere actually a few years ago in Bantam during the Montreal mealtdown there was a lot of great players in that tournament but he was the best by far. Easily the best player I’ve ever been on the ice with. Now that was a couple years ago I haven’t seen him play since.

3.) 18 Dec 2018 15:34:39
Boomboom that still remains to be seen. If EK don't RESIGN In SJS they will be in rough shape. Dillon is terrible but will be their number 3 dman. And since Ottawa will have their 1st non lottery protected that could easily fix the deal and make every sen fan happy, even you have to admit that. I'll admit I was pissed at time of trade, but seeing San Jose flop since then, what they had to let go of to afford him, and the fact he's not interested in resigning with them. it's getting better and better.

But that's a different story and not what this post is about, so let's stay on topic.

Hughes is exciting don't get me wrong but I like Lafreniere because I believe he has the better all round game about him and is more responsible player. Kids sik.

1 scenario is that he comes back to ottawa in offseason, which would be a win no matter how you look at it

2nd scenario he signs elsewhere leaving San Jose in a world of hurt next year to the point that the pick recieved becomes lottery and gets the sens a chance to draft Lafreniere, that's a guaranteed win even better than point, a late 1st, and an overrated sergachev lol yes I said overrated.

Plus if San Jose feels it's going to playout like this and decides to trade him by deadline, destinations are limited as a trade to east forces them to give Ottawa another 1st for what will be less than they gave Ottawa to get him in the 1st place due to a couple lack luster seasons.

Good luck proving that's not a win lol, especially when all pieces involved are looking solid on sens end so far.

6.) 19 Dec 2018 22:51:47
‘Overrated sergachev’ after you don’t get him when you wanted him lol just brutal. And no, a 1 in 15 chance at Lafreniere a year out is not worth more than Brayden Point haha point is 22 years old with 53 goals and 11pts in his last 117 games over a season and a half. Now he’s not worth as much as San Jose’s 1st rounder?!?! Ahahahaha.

7.) 21 Dec 2018 02:09:06
Jim I never said they weren't good lol but you guys seem to have them on a pedestal way above their worth. Sergachev is half the player he was last year and Chabot proving he's the better young defenseman of the 2 by a long shot.
And point is solid sure but the kid also has inflated numbers due to his time playing with kucherov.

And based on how mid level San Jose doing this year combined with losing EK, and possibly Thornton next year and litterally only having 2 good dmen next year because of it both of which are 30 years or older lol not to mention how Kane gets when he gets frustrated on top of that, San Jose will need a miracal not to be a lottery team next year.

If point is deemed worth that kind of pick then Duchene is worth this year's 1st overall and next year's 1st overall combined. Duchene does more than point without feeding off 2 of the best players in the game today and also without playing with Ottawa's other top forward who the same can be said stone as the 2 of them are on different lines. Duchene mainly plays with Batherson dzingle boadker or Ryan any combo of the 4 while stone plays with any combo of tkechuck white teirney or smith.

I still would like either of the 2 point or sergachev but not on a massive overpayment like y'all seem to think they're worth when their not worth that.

Sergachev at this point is roughly Colin white value while point is somewhere between dzingle Duchene value (more than dzingle less than Duchene somewhere in middle of the 2) and Tampa's 1st is like king's to Blackhawks 2nd in value at this point.

30 Jun 2019 20:46:22
This trade will be trash for Ottawa yet again unless sandin or liljegren are involved.

If getting rid of Marleau costed the Leafs a 1st and Marleau is more valuable than zaitsev then moving zaitsev should cost a top prospect.

Before all you Ceci haters chime in here is the reasoning.

1 - zaitsev is on a horrible 4 years left contract that the Leafs are desperately trying to move so they can sign Marner so taking zaitsev is doing the Leafs a favour

2 - zaitsev is no better that Ceci Infact he's probably worst

3 - Ceci is not signed and is an RFA, this in itself makes him far more valuable than zaitsev, reason being because he's not currently counting towards the cap or pay role and if Ottawa leaves him like that other teams can send him offer sheets. This is a good thing because no matter what everyone believes his value to be if he is offer sheeted it will be either low enough that he's affordable or more likely he gets what he wants which is over 5 million which would get Ottawa far more in compensation than he's even worth, that being a 1st and a 3rd in the coming draft

So realistic return would be

Ott : Ceci, tychonic, 3rd

Tor : zaitsev, sandin/ liljegren

Toronto dumps zaitsev so they can sign Marner, get a solid b to b+ prospect Dman and a 3rd, plus if they do like I said and let other teams offer sheet Ceci they can recover a 1st and gain a 3rd

Ottawa takes on yet another dirt contract but at the same time gets a solid b+ to a- prospect Dman to even it out and help with the rebuild.

25 Jun 2019 17:28:42
And monkeyful. That branstrom and a top 3 protected 1st for hall proposal was a joke right? That's far more than even stone got lol no chance Ottawa gives that much. If the 1st was lottery protected permanently meaning the first time Ottawa is not top 10 they can have that pick, and you replace branstrom with someone like Davidson and chlapic then sure maybe that's doable but no way Ottawa gives up another great chance at a lotto pick especially with the kids coming up in the next few drafts.

No chance Ottawa trades any of their own picks untill at least 20223/ 2024 with guys like Lafreniere, savoie, etc coming up.

24 Jun 2019 20:33:31
And to vbbvbb who says pagnottas word means as much as a crack head. Even a crack head is a more reliable source than people like you keyboard GM's on this site especially you lol. There's a reason pagnotta gets paid to write these articAls and spread his rumors or opinions and you are stuck posting trash on here like you do lol it's because you don't have a clue how things work. And your post about Marner above proves that. To sign Marner at the money he wants leaves are guaranteed to lose significant players in each of the coming 5 years. They will also set themselves back another 25 years at least before they see another Stanley Cup and it won't be seen in Marner era guaranteed. Just shows how ridiculous you are.

24 Jun 2019 20:24:49
Facelift 39 in no world does hall carry more value than stone does sorry just doesn't happen or make sense. Sure he may put up 10 to 15 more points in a season but stone keeps improving in that regard every season while hall stays the same. On top of that while offensive numbers are close defensive game by a landslide goes to stone. Hall as speed and skill but no guts to get in the dirty areas where stone not only gets in those dirty areas but also strips the puck from oppenens and back checks like a beast. Stone is easily top 5 maybe top 3 defensive forwards in the game while hall might be what? Top 30 offensive forwards in the game? Lol no comparison bud. So if stone gets a 2nd, a b+/ a- prospect, and a nobody then this trade is more than enough for hall whether you agree or not!

17 Jun 2019 17:56:44
It doesn't matter how you look at it guys, in the eyes of the league ceci is a number 4 Dman at absolute worst number 3 at best on any team, that's a fact despite how bad we all think in is he still eats big minutes and is considered a top 4 not a 5 not a 6 not a scratch, a top 4!

Boadker is a great 3rd liner who can handle 2nd line minutes too. On top of that he has just 1 year left on a bad contract which is more than managable!

Chlapick will be a solid 3rd possible 2nd line forward in time

A 2nd is a solid b to b+ possible prospect after the draft

For a guy who they could wait like every other team if price is too deep and go for him next offseason when he leaves njd yeah, that's a pretty good haul for hall.

Original hall trade that was mixed was straight up for Ceci, he is getting quite a bit more in this one.