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Hi, I am new to this forum and am very pleased that there are so many sport kite flyers out there. I have been flying for about 6 months now, so I know I am new and do not know much, but I have couple questions;

1. Can anyone tell me how to put a kite in FADE from flying up (all you have proboable terminology for this). I saw few videos that show flyers starting from the ground flying up and then all of a sudden they rotate the kite into FADE. Any help will be greatly appreciated.

2. I have very hard time rolling the kite. Currently I am flying the Widow and it comes with yoyo stoppers. When flying up, I can flare the kite backwords but when I am trying to pop it forward it just resumes flying up, it doesn't want to come forward for the strong pop. Please help. I have adjusted my bristle back so it will allow me to fly in a lighter winds. Because it is back, can this stop me from doing a roll up?

On 1)I see most doing this with a broken-axel to fade. You essentially do half of an axel until the kite is nose away (as in a flare) and then pull to the fade. You can also do this one by popping one line (like the axel), and then pulling the other line to bring the nose around, and then applying tension to both lines in order to catch the kite in a fade.

On 2)I think the easiest way to roll up on that kite would be the one pop. Fly up and when you are about half way up the window, pull hard to create a lot of sail pressure and then immediately throw your arms forward and perhaps even step forward as well. The kite will roll right around so be ready to more gently reapply line tension in order to catch the lines and then fly off rolled up. The tension-build and then release should be very fast and you need enough slack to allow the kite to rotate or the lines will prevent the rollup.

I recommend getting Dodds flying video, he covers the first and I think also the second.

On 1)I see most doing this with a broken-axel to fade. You essentially do half of an axel until the kite is nose away (as in a flare) and then pull to the fade. You can also do this one by popping one line (like the axel), and then pulling the other line to bring the nose around, and then applying tension to both lines in order to catch the kite in a fade.

Thanks a lot for advice. I understand what you are suggesting and I have tried this but everytime I flare the kite and than trying to bring the nose up, the kite catches the wind and flyes towards the ground. It is one of two things from what I can see; either I am not pulling hard enough or I do not give enough slack. I do not know, I guess I keep trying.

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On 2)I think the easiest way to roll up on that kite would be the one pop. Fly up and when you are about half way up the window, pull hard to create a lot of sail pressure and then immediately throw your arms forward and perhaps even step forward as well. The kite will roll right around so be ready to more gently reapply line tension in order to catch the lines and then fly off rolled up. The tension-build and then release should be very fast and you need enough slack to allow the kite to rotate or the lines will prevent the rollup.

I have tried numerous times what you just said, but as far as back I can go is just to "turttle" position and no matter how much slack I give it just stays there.

If you have a camera and can post a video of what you are doing, that is probably the best way to see what is wrong.

On 1) have you tried the pancake to fade? You fly down and then flare and then lift for the fade. I think this is an easier way to start and it will also allow you to get the feel for the flare to fade move.

On 2) it is probably just a speed thing. The initial snap and the release can be fairly intense initially and then you can back it off to only what you need. Its a speed move, not a power move. Apply pressure and then immediately release it all in less than a half-second. If you think about what will happen, the kite will essentially 'bounce' off the sail pressure and then pitch around itself. Like throwing a ball at a wall, you have to throw it hard enough to bounce back so you can catch it.

have you tried the pancake to fade? You fly down and then flare and then lift for the fade

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it is probably just a speed thing

All your comments start to make more and more sense. It seems that with a lot of tricks, it is not about "pulling hard" but it is about the speed and timing. I have lot to learn, but I will enjoy every step of the way.

I will also try DWayne suggestions with bridle adjustment, becasue as it is now it is totally the other way.

Sometimes when starting out it is easier to take the kite all the way to the top of the window, square in the middle to where the kite is starting to stall, trow your arms forward and take a step or two forward. The widow should roll right around and then you can fly off. Wind speed shouldn't really be a factor, but more will keep the kite centered and easier to catch the stoppers.

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