It also makes sense in the game itself. At the end of GZ, Motherbase is destroyed, which means that the all you've achieved in GZ is basically wiped out. In TPP, you're starting fresh. I honestly don't see why people make the price of the current gen versions seem like a big deal, since it's just 20 bucks. I mean come on, map packs are 15, right? Though I do agree that the next gen version seems a bit too expensive. That said, I think people are jumping to conclusions on GZ way too fast; you can even recruit soldiers to Motherbase, so I think the game will have a nice amount of content, even if there's only one location.

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15e for a map pack is really overpriced, ergo I never paid for one. Last time I paid 15e I got Blood Dragon, around 8 hours of content with lots do do. While I've given several reasons to why I think this is a bad idea, releasing them separately after hearing the creator again and again say it's a part of MGSV, I do have one other thing to say... If I buy this, and it ends up as a 2 hour (main story) demo-ish game, I will be pissed. At this point there's no guarantee it will be long or short, plenty of content or not.

Some would say "then why talk about it?", I answer because there is reason to worry until we do have that information.

15e for a map pack is really overpriced, ergo I never paid for one. Last time I paid 15e I got Blood Dragon, around 8 hours of content with lots do do. While I've given several reasons to why I think this is a bad idea, releasing them separately after hearing the creator again and again say it's a part of MGSV, I do have one other thing to say... If I buy this, and it ends up as a 2 hour (main story) demo-ish game, I will be pissed. At this point there's no guarantee it will be long or short, plenty of content or not.

Some would say "then why talk about it?", I answer because there is reason to worry until we do have that information.

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I have yet to play BloodDragon.
It looks awesome and hilarious at the same time.

15e for a map pack is really overpriced, ergo I never paid for one. Last time I paid 15e I got Blood Dragon, around 8 hours of content with lots do do. While I've given several reasons to why I think this is a bad idea, releasing them separately after hearing the creator again and again say it's a part of MGSV, I do have one other thing to say... If I buy this, and it ends up as a 2 hour (main story) demo-ish game, I will be pissed. At this point there's no guarantee it will be long or short, plenty of content or not.

Some would say "then why talk about it?", I answer because there is reason to worry until we do have that information.

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I have yet to play BloodDragon.
It looks awesome and hilarious at the same time.

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It is quite awesome, couldn't ask for a much better game for 15e. Really captures the badassery of 80's sci-fi at the same time as it haves tons of fun with it. Wish they would consider making a full game with Rex Power Colt, Mark IV MOTHAFUKKA!

It also makes sense in the game itself. At the end of GZ, Motherbase is destroyed, which means that the all you've achieved in GZ is basically wiped out. In TPP, you're starting fresh. I honestly don't see why people make the price of the current gen versions seem like a big deal, since it's just 20 bucks. I mean come on, map packs are 15, right? Though I do agree that the next gen version seems a bit too expensive. That said, I think people are jumping to conclusions on GZ way too fast; you can even recruit soldiers to Motherbase, so I think the game will have a nice amount of content, even if there's only one location.

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What are you all with this 1 location? There was never said anything about camp omega being the only location available on GZ...

It also makes sense in the game itself. At the end of GZ, Motherbase is destroyed, which means that the all you've achieved in GZ is basically wiped out. In TPP, you're starting fresh. I honestly don't see why people make the price of the current gen versions seem like a big deal, since it's just 20 bucks. I mean come on, map packs are 15, right? Though I do agree that the next gen version seems a bit too expensive. That said, I think people are jumping to conclusions on GZ way too fast; you can even recruit soldiers to Motherbase, so I think the game will have a nice amount of content, even if there's only one location.

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What are you all with this 1 location? There was never said anything about camp omega being the only location available on GZ...

You guys also have no idea where it's actually going to start from. The game could start right where PW left off with plenty of cutscenes and probably a lot of interactive parts, and then transition into the Camp Omega infiltration.

You guys also have no idea where it's actually going to start from. The game could start right where PW left off with plenty of cutscenes and probably a lot of interactive parts, and then transition into the Camp Omega infiltration.

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It also could not, after all you don't have any idea of how the game is gonna go either.

After reading the recent criticism targeting the price point, I must retract my previous statements on the fanbase as "drones" (partially). You guys DO question when it comes to the price, at least. Please don't ever hesitate to question anyone, especially not any lord god king Kojima. I'm happy to see this.

It is quite awesome, couldn't ask for a much better game for 15e. Really captures the badassery of 80's sci-fi at the same time as it haves tons of fun with it. Wish they would consider making a full game with Rex Power Colt, Mark IV MOTHAFUKKA!

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Blood Dragon was fantastic for its price point. I would not consider it DLC, rather it's the first expansion pack in years.

It is quite awesome, couldn't ask for a much better game for 15e. Really captures the badassery of 80's sci-fi at the same time as it haves tons of fun with it. Wish they would consider making a full game with Rex Power Colt, Mark IV MOTHAFUKKA!

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Blood Dragon was fantastic for its price point. I would not consider it DLC, rather it's the first expansion pack in years.

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Indeed, certainly refreshing in an industry where add-on content too often means a mere additional skin, weapon or map. So rarely do you see actual expansions, maybe those AC3 missions could be called that but apart from there's not much of it.

After reading the recent criticism targeting the price point, I must retract my previous statements on the fanbase as "drones" (partially). You guys DO question when it comes to the price, at least. Please don't ever hesitate to question anyone, especially not any lord god king Kojima. I'm happy to see this.

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Funny how you say this, while @Batzi so often says how MGS fans are so whining, complaining about the smallest things. Really big differences how people experience the internet, I must say. Alas, there are loud people on both sides, "Praise this decision, the holy Kojima has said it to be so, so it must be the best thing!" to "Fuck Kojima, what was he thinking with this!?". The contrast is often very clear.

After reading the recent criticism targeting the price point, I must retract my previous statements on the fanbase as "drones" (partially). You guys DO question when it comes to the price, at least. Please don't ever hesitate to question anyone, especially not any lord god king Kojima. I'm happy to see this.

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I've been questioning Kojima since MGS2 even if I love the work he does, it's not without flaw.

You guys remember how Kojima said a challenge would be to beat the Ground Zeroes mission in under 2 hours with no alerts or kills? That guarantees a good 4-5 hour playthrough for the story only. Not including the side ops and such.

After reading the recent criticism targeting the price point, I must retract my previous statements on the fanbase as "drones" (partially). You guys DO question when it comes to the price, at least. Please don't ever hesitate to question anyone, especially not any lord god king Kojima. I'm happy to see this.

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I've been questioning Kojima since MGS2 even if I love the work he does, it's not without flaw.

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I used to think that way too, but ever since I saw that video fully explaining the mind-fuck that MGS2 was, i've liked it a lot more.

You guys remember how Kojima said a challenge would be to beat the Ground Zeroes mission in under 2 hours with no alerts or kills? That guarantees a good 4-5 hour playthrough for the story only. Not including the side ops and such.

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That really bad spin-off game barely lasts 5 hours, so i'm fairly certain Ground Zeroes is a great value then.

You guys remember how Kojima said a challenge would be to beat the Ground Zeroes mission in under 2 hours with no alerts or kills? That guarantees a good 4-5 hour playthrough for the story only. Not including the side ops and such.

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That really bad spin-off game barely lasts 5 hours, so i'm fairly certain Ground Zeroes is a great value then.

There's more to life than worrying whether or not Ground Zeroes is worth you're mighty $20 dollar bill.

fucking internet bitches ..

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I lol'd. Yeah pretty much though. I understand people have to pay bills and such but I'm chillin. Going to get a job winter and I'll have enough savings to buy a PS4, a game or two, and GZ. I'm buying GZ no matter what the price is.

I have to focus on brute day-to-day fucking SURVIVAL - SUBSISTENCE - if you will ..
while I come here and witness conversations about KojiPro delivering enough bang
for a $20 dollar buck ... fuck I hate this world.

After reading the recent criticism targeting the price point, I must retract my previous statements on the fanbase as "drones" (partially). You guys DO question when it comes to the price, at least. Please don't ever hesitate to question anyone, especially not any lord god king Kojima. I'm happy to see this.

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I've been questioning Kojima since MGS2 even if I love the work he does, it's not without flaw.

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I used to think that way too, but ever since I saw that video fully explaining the mind-fuck that MGS2 was, i've liked it a lot more.

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Oh don't get me wrong! I love MGS2, it's my favorite game in the series, But it is far from perfect.

Predictable. Kojima talked about episodic releases a while ago and he was clear when he said that releasing a portion of the game, take feedback from the fans and make changes in the bigger episode was going to be the new trend in the industry at least for him. I think that's a very good idea.

I think it's pretty terrible myself. It's worse than companies that cut content from games and turn it into DLC. This is deliberately selling what is supposed to be a part of the main game as something separate. The only other thing I can really compare it to is Halo 3 ODST, which should have just been DLC for Halo 3, and even then it was more or less a self contained story.

So now you know, kids! GZ is a ransom for PP, if you want the full game soon, you better buy the glorified demo first!

I guess Konami is reaching Capcom levels now, so sad...

On the plus-side, if people complain enough about the new mechanics "casualizing" the gameplay in GZ, maybe they'll fix it by the time they release PP.

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I think we should reserve our judgement until we know exactly how much content we'll be getting in GZ. It's to early to call it a "glorified demo."

Also Kojima has already stated that slow-mo alerts and enemy tagging can be switched off if you want more of a challenge.

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This guy has a thick skulled mind to say the same shit over and over again. There is plenty of evidence proving that this isn't an over glorified demo you moron. I don't know why you're so butthurt over this news TekkZero but you're whining will get you nowhere. Trust.

I'm not here to post stuff you may or may not like, I'm here to post my opinion as I'm entitled to do so by the IGN forum rules.

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How cute. No one cares about your opinion if you post it over 5 times on every page. We understood the first time.

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Cute? lol You're the butthurt one man, I can say whatever I like about the game because it is a product made ofr Konami's financial gain and I'm a costumer entitled to give an opinion for it wheter I buy it or not, even if this is a board for MGS fans, it's not a hivemind, you can't expect everyone to have the same opinion as you or universaly love everything Kojima makes just becase it's Metal Gear.

It's not like I'm atacking your persona or something you made, so what gives? Am I taking something Away from you by posting? if "no one cares" about my posts why are you getting so mad about them? It's like you're new to reading contray opinions on the internet, Before you know it you will be insulting me or my sexual preferences like the other crazy dude thinking no one can say bad things about the Vita's browser becase it's the only device he can afford to have.

Or better yet, follow your own advice. "Sure we don't really know if the game is not worth it until it's out" And the same can be said on the contrary outcome, Until it's out, we don't know yet if GZ really's a lot more than it seems for it's price value, until then, God forbid we have an opinion!

I'm not here to post stuff you may or may not like, I'm here to post my opinion as I'm entitled to do so by the IGN forum rules.

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How cute. No one cares about your opinion if you post it over 5 times on every page. We understood the first time.

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Cute? lol You're the butthurt one man, I can say whatever I like about the game because it is a product made ofr Konami's financial gain and I'm a costumer entitled to give an opinion for it wheter I buy it or not, even if this is a board for MGS fans, it's not a hivemind, you can't expect everyone to have the same opinion as you or universaly love everything Kojima makes just becase it's Metal Gear.

It's not like I'm atacking your persona or something you made, so what gives? Am I taking something Away from you by posting? if "no one cares" about my posts why are you getting so mad about them? It's like you're new to reading contray opinions on the internet, Before you know it you will be insulting me or my sexual preferences like the other crazy dude thinking no one can say bad things about the Vita's browser becase it's the only device he can afford to have.

Or better yet, follow your own advice. "Sure we don't really know if the game is not worth it until it's out" And the same can be said on the contrary outcome, Until it's out, we don't know yet if GZ really's a lot more than it seems for it's price value, until then, God forbid we have an opinion!

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I never said it's a "hivemind". My judgement came directly from the trailers, news, and etc. Based off all those, it's common sense how GZ won't be an "over glorified demo".
You just said it yourself! You don't know whether it will have a lot more for its price value. Therefore, you should STOP calling it an over glorified demo and bitch about it because it's just taking up posting space and I waste my time reading them.

Never said they're not a fan for waiting. I was referring to the fan group choosing to buy GZ separate compared to the others who are waiting.

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Regardless, they're still MGS fans if they've played previous MGS games and are on a MGS forum discussing a future MGS game.
There aren't many MGS "fans" that I know of, that even bother doing that.

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Are you kidding me? Did you read what I said or didn't bother and just wrote what you wanted to? I never said they're not a fan of the MGS series(said it again). I am saying that the fans who choose to buy GZ without waiting will enjoy before the fans who are choosing to wait for a bundle/price drop.

Are you kidding me? Did you read what I said or didn't bother and just wrote what you wanted to? I never said they're not a fan of the MGS series(said it again). I am saying that the fans who choose to buy GZ without waiting will enjoy before the fans who are choosing to wait for a bundle/price drop.

Why do you care if you're saying you're going to buy it in a bundle anyways? Just wait while us fans enjoy.

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which is written as such that those waiting for a GZ bundle/price drop aren't fans, when you excluded the people waiting for GZ bundle /price drop from the fan-base, using "us fans" only to describe people who aren't waiting.