The Laura Babcock murder trial: Day 15

The trial of two men accused of killing Toronto woman Laura Babcock continues in Ontario Superior Court today.

We're now seeing a photo of The Eliminator. Penner says it's the SN500 model, with an afterburner and propane tank.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 5:50:45 PM

Penner says he sold one of these units to a Mr. Schlatman.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 5:51:29 PM

Now seeing another photo of the Eliminator.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 5:52:10 PM

Here's a photo of it.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 5:52:58 PM

Penner says the lid of the device weighs about 200 pounds.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 5:53:21 PM

Penner says the lid is about 18 by 24 inches. The weight of the entire unit is about 4,000 pounds.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 5:54:57 PM

The Crown is now asking him if he wants to refresh his memory with testimony from another proceeding.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 5:55:29 PM

Penner is now saying it weighs around 6,000 pounds. He says the unit is about ten feet tall.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 5:56:44 PM

The height from the ground to the door opening on the unit is about four feet, Penner says.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 5:57:29 PM

Penner says the unit must have been put on the trailer after it was sold.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 5:58:27 PM

Penner says that he and Schlatman talked about how it was going to be put on a trailer.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 5:58:56 PM

The Crown asks how long it would take this unit to burn 150 pounds of a carcass. Penner says it would take roughly an hour.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 5:59:36 PM

There's two burners in the unit, Penner says, with the bigger one on the bottom. When it's running, the temperature would be 1,400 degrees fahrenheit in the afterburner, with the main unit at 1,200 to 1,300 degrees.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 6:02:38 PM

Doherty now asking Penner to point out the afterburner, which is used to get the unit under Canadian emissions standards.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 6:04:06 PM

The afterburner is lit first, Penner says, so that any smoke coming from the bottom can move through it.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 6:06:04 PM

"Basically it's burning the smoke ... to burn off all the emissions," Penner says.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 6:06:30 PM

At the end, just hot air comes through the afterburner.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 6:06:50 PM

We're now taking the lunch recess. Back at 2:15 p.m.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 6:08:05 PM

We're now back in session. The jury is returning.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 7:24:31 PM

We're now continuing with Crown Katie Doherty continuing her examination in chief. She's again showing photos of the Eliminator.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 7:26:40 PM

Penner says the length of The Eliminator is about 7 feet, and the width about 4 feet.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 7:27:15 PM

Penner says the burn chamber volume of the incinerator is about 23 cubic feet.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 7:28:37 PM

The Crown asks if it's common to put an incinerator like this on a trailer. Penner says no, this is the first time he'd ever seen it done.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 7:29:43 PM

Penner says he was contacted by Shane Schlatman back in June of 2012. "He was looking for an incinerator to do some custom incinerating, to go around farm to farm."

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 7:30:46 PM

Penner says he provided copies of emails between he and Schlatman to police.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 7:31:50 PM

We're now seeing emails between Schlatman and Penner about the incinerator.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 7:33:16 PM

The email is from June 19. "Hi shane, here are the quotes for the 250lb and 500 lb unit," it reads.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 7:34:25 PM

The email also mentions a "roll back lid" that's really good for "bigger animals," Penner says. It seems in the email that Schlatman didn't want that.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 7:36:37 PM

First we're seeing a quote for a 250 pound unit -- it costs $13,040.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 7:38:19 PM

We're also seeing a quote for a $500 pound unit. That one costs $15,090.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 7:38:58 PM

Now seeing another email between Penner and Schlatman. Schlatman says "I forwarded prices to my boss. I will let you know within a day or so of his decision. Thanks again for all your help." In the email signature, it says MillardAir MRO. Penner says the "boss" was Millard, but he only dealt with Schlatman.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 7:42:50 PM

Penner says the machine was sent to the MillardAir hangar at the Waterloo airport.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 7:43:46 PM

Now a response email from Schlatman: "Hi Bill, my boss would like to order the SN500. No roll up door please just the plain lift open door and using propane to fuel it."

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 7:45:14 PM

Penner says they can be fuelled with diesel, propane or natural gas.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 7:46:21 PM

Penner responds on getting a price and estimated time of arrival.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 7:48:15 PM

Penner then responds with a quote about shipping the SN500 with an afterburner, and the payment method options for a downpayment.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 7:49:58 PM

The total price with freight ended up being $15,424.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 7:52:04 PM

Penner says a deposit was made on the unit.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 7:53:27 PM

We're now seeing the packing slip for the incinerator itself.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 7:54:31 PM

Also seeing the documentation that would've gone with the unit to see it pass customs.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 7:56:23 PM

Now we're seeing the invoice for the Eliminator downpayment, for $5,000.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 7:59:30 PM

We're still seeing more of the documentation that went along with the sale of the incinerator.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 8:02:18 PM

Another email from Penner to Schlatman, saying they are "picking up the unit on Monday."

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 8:04:29 PM

"We hired a truck to pick it up ... then they load it up and then ship it directly to the destination that it's supposed to go," Penner says.

by Adam Carter11/14/2017 8:05:08 PM

Schlatman responds with his cellphone number as a contact. This is June 29, 2012.