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So guys, one of the youtube channels I am subscribed to just published a theory on who Tobi might really be. And astonishingly enough, I find that it makes quite a lot of sense. I just thought that maybe we could raise a discussion about that.

one of the biggest reasons why i made a account is that i wanted to talk about some thing i noticed about this topis ...where i think noone else even mentioned it... not here and even on other sites like mangahelpers etc... and on youtube aswell....the other reason is that someone told me this site is the best for this manga and anime...

so now i stop beating around the bush...

Here it comes....

Did anyone of you notice the person that duubs the second hokage(tobirama) ???

if yes you will understand...... it is quite a shame that all forums on the i net including all videos of youtube didnt notice that... maybe hardcore japanese fans.... and it is a shame that the fans have these adventurous theories..... and those very complicated (for the most people) issues they talk about ^^

Did anyone of you notice the person that duubs the second hokage(tobirama) ???

if yes you will understand...... it is quite a shame that all forums on the i net including all videos of youtube didnt notice that... maybe hardcore japanese fans.... and it is a shame that the fans have these adventurous theories..... and those very complicated (for the most people) issues they talk about ^^

I'm... not quite sure what you're saying (asking?) here. Even if I did, what does the Second have to do with Tobi/Madara?

It could still be Madara or at least some part of him. We have already seen that Kyuubi can be made into two parts. So that part in Tobi can be yin or yang part of Madara. That would explain how he knew about Nagato and was expecting to be resurrected by him.

YEP Madara did split his soul also Tobi still Madara, he is trully a shell of his former self he wanted to use Nagato to be ressurrected but instead he got Edo tensei'ed, in this chapter he was thinking Nagato ressurrected him as planned, this means we can get a Madara vs Madara fight soon.

Well, the fact that this thread has suddenly been bumped and is getting massive attention is already a manga spoiler in and of itself. There's no avoiding that.

That said, manga spoiler:

Spoiler:

At this point (knowing that it's not Madara), the only person who makes sense for the man behind the mask is Madara's brother, Izuna Uchiha.

(The fact that he didn't look similar in the anime is irrelevant, since the people animating that wouldn't have known that he's supposed to be the guy behind the mask -- they simply got it wrong.)

Izuna Uchiha is supposed to have been exactly as strong as Madara, which fits with the power the man in the mask has shown.

Izuna Uchiha would have known everything about Madara, since they were incredibly close. This would make it easy to pass as him, and fits with the detailed knowledge of Madara's life and era that the man in the mask clearly possesses.

As Madara's brother, Izuna would resemble him physically, which likewise means he'd be able to pass as him.

Izuna was an absolute extremist in terms of defending his clan, even more than Madara -- to the point of willingly giving up his own eyes. This fits in with the man behind the mask's goals and ideology.

Go back and read where Madara says that Izuna gave his eyes willingly. Only two people would have known this or cared about it. One of them is Madara; the other is Izuna. By process of elimination, the guy behind the mask is Izuna.

It also has a symmetry to Sasuke and Itachi (and generational symmetry is a huge thing in Naruto.) I'll bet you anything Madara never went evil; just like Sasuke and Itachi, Madara made great sacrifices for others, which embittered his younger brother. The relationship between Madara and Izuna exactly mirrors the relationship between Itachi and Sasuke.

This is also why the man in the mask was able to manipulate Sasuke so well -- since he's been in the same place, he knew exactly how Sasuke felt.