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10. EDIT: 3D Artists who wish to use the reference for 3D models are free to do so. I just ask that you post your work here as well as in any 3D forum in which you post your work.

Also please note that these same poses are posted on the I5 Minute Sketchathon (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=295498&page=1&pp=15) (see post #382) and that everyone is encouraged to try both short (15 minute) sketches of these poses on that thread, and to continue to refine their work on this thread.

Beautiful work on the arm! The honeyed tones in this image are beautiful ~ I've actually drawn live from this model, she's really a pro.

Actually, if you look up jeremyengelman's posts on this forum, he has done some interesting 3D models from this pose ~ I think in ZBrush, if I'm not mistaken. It's kind of amazing, because he did the 3D sculpts in about the same time as anyone else would do a drawing of the pose. Pretty cool, check it out!

Great work so far ~ I really love this pose, and hope to be participating in this OFDW.

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Dark3D

11-29-2005, 05:31 AM

Okay, here is my 2nd pass at it. Still working on my TabletPC and SketchBook Pro. Trying to get a painterly look to it.......

http://www.dark3d.com/Gallery/images/page_Figcg11.jpg

Rebeccak

11-29-2005, 05:36 AM

Dark3D,

The upper torso is beautiful on this piece ~ it's great to see you tackling more rendered paintings! The main thing I notice is that the area of her waist, where her upper torso twists against her lower torso / pelvis, is wrong ~ I think that she needs a bit more of a waist, and a less aggressive line to describe the twist. But I love the greenish cast to the arms and the capturing of the feel of this pose ~ that's really quite nice.

I'm going to try to hop into this Workshop later this week ~ at last! :) It will be fun to work along with you guys. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

eggsrgood

11-29-2005, 07:39 AM

Man, why have I only found out about these sessions? I couldv'e been learning all this time....:bounce: Well, I have a lot to learn, seeing the amazing talent here. Please please post any help and crits. Total newbie here. This is just a gesture, will try to tackle a shaded version but wanted to see if i had the proportion down first. Great opportunity these threads are:scream:

http://users.tpg.com.au/wildrice/Pics/figure.jpg

Rebeccak

11-29-2005, 07:57 AM

eggsrgood,

Welcome to the Anatomy Forum, and to the OFDWs, it's great to have you aboard! :) Nice sketch you have here, I really like the loose, gestural quality of line you have! One thing I would ask on this thread is that posts be no more than 800 pixels width x appropriate pixel length. No biggie, it just makes browsing easier. :cool:

With respect to shading / painting, check out the following demos / tutorials:

I always recommend that beginning digital (and traditional) painters start out creating grayscale paintings. Value, I deeply believe, is far more important than color. Not that you are necessarily a beginner ~ I don't know that. :)

What is your background and training? I am always intersested to know. :)

PS, your signature cracks me up! :p

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

eggsrgood

11-29-2005, 08:18 AM

Hey thanks for the links RebeccaK, shall look at those in depth. Sorry about the size, i'll fix that for ya.;)

I'm a newbie in the sense that I haven't picked up a pencil since high school. We had the pleasure of working from a live model there. That is definitely the most enjoyable way to sketch. Really get a sense of the form.

I've been doing 3d for a little, hence my silly signature, but really wanting to get back into 2d. Got to say, I love your style of drawing. Do you always use digital? Some of the ones you post have the analog feel to it that digital just hasn't got yet. Thanks for making me feel welcome.:D

Rebeccak

11-29-2005, 08:25 AM

eggsrgood,

Great to hear a bit about you! :) My best drawings are done using either charcoal pencil or ballpoint pen, eg, traditional materials. I enjoy digital painting, but confess that I enjoy traditional media far more ~ though the messiness factor prevents me from working with it, as well as the sheer frustration of ruining hours of work with a few false steps ~ digital work is slowly becoming my modus operendi (in terms of personal work ~ I've done digital work professionally, including some use of Maya *cries over Discreet's acquisition of Alias*). ;)

At any rate, great to see that you are getting back into 2D ~ you should also participate in the 15 Minute Sketchathon (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=295498&page=1&pp=15), which this week has the same poses posted in that thread as are posted here.

Looking forward to your update! :) My first recommendation when beginning a digital painting is to fill the entire bkgrd with a midgray, and then work up and down in value from there using a 50% opacity and 50% fill soft round brush using only the colors of black, white, and gray. Give it a try!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax

11-29-2005, 11:45 PM

Update:
Worked on the hands and the all around figure ~ the upper back is gonna be pain to get right so I'm kinda avoiding that right now *hehe* :D .

Wow, David, this is going to be a beautiful piece! :D That hand looks amazing! Are you using PS or Painter for this? It seems so many folks here are getting accepted for the Painter book, perhaps you ought to try out! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer

11-30-2005, 02:43 AM

Hi
Dave
Great color, really rich, and luminous, that arm is turning out nice, the elbow looks
fantastic, really fine detailing there...Great job so far. Can't wait to see how it's
going to look when it's done, should be great I think. :thumbsup:
Take Care
Glenn

Rebeccak: Where the CG go in your sketch? Well I might still have a problem with her waist...

--HI-RES VERSION-- (http://www.dark3d.com/Gallery/images/Figcg17.jpg)

http://www.dark3d.com/Gallery/images/page_Figcg17.jpg

Rebeccak

11-30-2005, 04:39 AM

Dark3D,

Hehe, working on a CG version. :D Trying to keep a balance. :) Better! You're really doing a fabulous job at rendering!!! Keep up the good work! Hmm...funny stripe across the knee ~ but I know it's WIP. The arms and upper torso look terrific. The hand might be a little too regular / even? Love the play of pink and green...I think filling the bkgrd with a neutral tone would really set her off. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Corvax

11-30-2005, 05:21 AM

Wow thanks for all the kind word's I'm quite flattered :blush:.

~RebeccaK: I'm an all round Photoshop guy, remember I come from the a (semi)background in the graphics design, so Photoshop was a natural choice for me. But if Ballistic ever plans to publish a PS book I might try out for it (I don't really understand why theirs not one out already~ properly because we don't see any Adobe ads anywhere ;) ..*hehe*<-- thats a joke by the way I'm not saying anything bad about Ballistic media I think they do fantasic work *phew* :argh: ). nice drawing by the way ~ could use a bit more detaling on the arms and head *hehe*.

Hi
Rebecca
Last one is right on the money...NICE...are you useing an airbrush
Been studying that one all day myself, just with my eyes so far
Great lighting, and pose, will make a great painting I think. Starting on it
tomarrow myself.
Great to see you doing so much drawing by the way. :bounce:
Take Care
Glenn

David, this one is fab! I love the colors, and I think you did well on the hair:) I´ll pull out a chair and sneek over your shoulder as you finish this one.

eggsrgood

11-30-2005, 11:32 AM

Nice one RebeccaK!:) I'm trying to tackle the same ref image and kind of embarrased at my progress.:blush: I'm trying out the method you suggested and still getting my head around Painter cause I love the traditional brush types. Keep em coming:arteest:

drawMonger

11-30-2005, 02:17 PM

WOW! Rebecca and Covax, simply stunning!!

Corvax

11-30-2005, 09:54 PM

David, this one is fab! I love the colors, and I think you did well on the hair:) I´ll pull out a chair and sneek over your shoulder as you finish this one.

~SaraD: Gee thanks :) don't really see the point of you trying to learn anything form me thou. I've seen your paintings and they are fare beyond mine :thumbsup: . any news on the book~ did you make it to print?

Notions2Motion

11-30-2005, 09:56 PM

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c19/RoboMonkeyModule/1.jpg

There are some funky effects on this due to scanning it and piecing it back together in Photoshop. In all, took me about an hour and a half which is the longest I've drawn one thing in one sitting for a couple weeks.

Corvax

12-01-2005, 12:12 AM

Update:
Okay had 30 min. to spare so worked a bit on the back and her left arm. the highlight on the ribs is a bit of a headache :banghead: , still needs alot of work :).

My one quibble is that I think her torso (rib cage / pelvis) looks a bit small for the head, arm, and leg. I'm not sure because I'm not looking at the Reference right now, but I think you could enlarge the back area quite a lot and the figure would be in better proportion. I'll definitely want to take a look at the Ref later and compare, but that is my basic sense of things at the moment. But WOW, really great work here...I'm very impressed! :applause:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

drawMonger

12-01-2005, 12:57 AM

Hi RoboMonkeyModule, you've made a good effort to get the light and shade working in your piece. I would however, take a step back and study the human skeleton, having a good look at the shape of the bones of the limbs and how they join up with the rest of the body...this will make it much easier for you to approach the human figure.

Didn´t think I would have the time to participate in this one, but - Dadaaaa! Time appeared from nowhere :)

Notions2Motion

12-01-2005, 05:55 PM

Thanks Drawmonger - I have studied that a bit, but not as thoroughly as I probably should. I'm especially shaky on my limb bone anatomy and back musculature. Sometimes I lose the position of the scapula in all the bumpiness of the back.

Are there any specific errors that really stick out to you and if so, do you have time for a quick over-draw? If not, just pointing them out would be really helpful. Thanks.

Mu

12-01-2005, 07:32 PM

corvax - I keep coming back to this page of the thread like a magnetic needle just to watch your study again and again. and you know why, don't you...:D

audit

12-01-2005, 09:38 PM

hi i have been working up my 15min sketch of one of these poses, as the grand-high rebeccak suggested :wise: :

Looking really good so far! My suggestion for a next step is to start sampling colors ~ if you have your Paintbrush selected in Photoshop or Painter, alt + click on your screen in the area where you want to sample color, and your brush will temporarily become the eyedropper tool, and will sample the color in the area you click. Use a soft round brush (I like the Airbrush setting) and lower the Opacity to 25 ~ 50%. Then lightly brush over areas of transition from light to dark that you have already established, and start to soften interior edges.

The key thing is edge control. Softer edges will recede, sharper edges will come forward. You'll want to really work to control what pushes forward and what recedes into space through the manipulation of edge hardness / softness.

Looking forward to your update! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

audit

12-01-2005, 09:51 PM

thanks rebeccak! - that was exactly my thought for the next stage - to get rid of the painting by numbers element harhar :D

Rebeccak

12-01-2005, 10:01 PM

audit,

Hehe, I start out the same way! :D It helps to establish the basic chunks of value...if it makes one's image temporarily look like a paint by number image, then so be it! :D

Cheers, :)

~Rk

Corvax

12-02-2005, 12:37 AM

David's Daily Update:

hmm.. I always get to a certain point in a painting were I tend to move around allot, correcting little areas, much more then making any sense and I think I reached that point now :). But I didn't want to cheat you guys for an update, so here it is:

not a whole lot has happened form the last one but there are some small changes in there (for one I actually flipped the painting the right way this time :D *hehe*).
so to compensate for the lack of a "real" update you get some closeups of details.

Now it´s "only" the head left to paint.... As you can see I got inspired by Corvax colors for this one. Don´t master them as well as he does though - I have to practice :) What a delightful homework :)

http://sara.mallverkstan.net/CGtalk008.htm

SpiritDreamer - the one that caught my eye was the "Bear & buffalo". Those vivid colors and the movement is great! Well done!

Corvax

12-02-2005, 11:44 AM

Hi SaraD fantastic painting. your artwork seems very solid, all you put out is just beautiful.

I hope you don't mind me posting your image, it makes browsing a bit more easy. I'm still deeplinking form you site, so if its a bandwidth issue or you don't want it posted for some other reason just say the word and we'll take it down :).

SaraD's work:

http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/008a_002.JPG

I think you should try making you curves (especially on the silhouette) abit more vibrant, you have allot of long smooth curves in you image right now, which would be grate for a more simplistic stile, but I think the level of realism you've taken your image to really calls for a more advance curvature. remember there are not alot of long curves on the human body ~ their more a composite of smaller curves making one long one. o0(sure hope that made any sense :) ).

I think you need to get alot more around whit your colors, take a close look ad your reference, notice the pale green in the midtones and the bounced light, notice how just before the highlight become that burned out yellow there is just a bit of pink and notice how the transition form light to dark sifts the colors from yellow to a rusty orange to a deep deep red then to magenta and violet and then back to red.

Your kinda working on a small slice of the color wheel, which can work sometimes, but why settle for a slice when there's a whole delicious pizza of colors out there. :drool: *mmhhh PIZZA!!*

SaraD

12-02-2005, 12:06 PM

That´s soooo right on the spot, Corvax! I do have to practice my way of working with colors. I often (always?) use a very monocromatic colorscheme, and have to learn how to see all those colors that you so easily point out :scream:
Regarding to why I don´t post the pics is that I have some kind of restriction on the forum that only allows me a certain amount of Mbytes. Don´t know why - maybe it´s a membership-issue. So - feel free to post my images away :applause:

TheDagger

12-02-2005, 12:27 PM

SaraD: The space restriction is only for attachments that are stored on CGTalk's servers. You can post images from other sources without any restrictions. I see that you have your own site. Just click the insert image button when you are making a new post and type in the url. I personally host all my pics on my own website and have never used the attachment space provided by CGTalk. I think Rebecca wrote some instructions about this. And if I misunderstood what you mean and you knew all this already, my apologies. :)

And that pic of yours looks fantastic. I love how smoothly and accurately you can render all those shadows and highlights.

Corvax: I think I have only one word to say about your work: "Wow". Amazing job. :)

SaraD

12-02-2005, 12:39 PM

Ah, is that how it works :bounce:
Thanks Dagger!

SpiritDreamer

12-02-2005, 12:50 PM

Hi
SaraD
That Bear and Buffalo, is one of my favorites also, something that was a common
ocurance not to long ago, but is now gone forever, and will never be witnessed by
by anyone, ever again, except in this painting . I created it from imagination, no
referances used, did it for Nebizels thread on this forum, to demonstrate the ryhem
of oposseing curves to create motion and action, the way Peter Paul Rubens used
to do in his action paintings, of people hunting exotic animals, great drama.
Anyway, it's yours, at cost of course, no profit wanted by me in your case.
would look great printed on canvas in the Giclee method. All the stuff I have
done in that method turnes out beautiful, looks just like oil paintings on canvas
Magic !.... :) e mail me if your interested.

About your latest painting, don't forget that dramatic lighting, is the key to it's
beauty, like that singer you have on your site, great painting by the way.
Let the form disapear into the imagination of the viewer, lets them participate
in the painting....One of the Old Masters secrets...Rembrant ect.
Take Care
Glenn

SpiritDreamer

12-02-2005, 01:12 PM

Hi
Dave
Beautiful realism in this peice....you captured the mood and feeling that this pose
conveys perfectly... GREAT JOB.....:thumbsup:

audit

12-02-2005, 10:44 PM

hi hi!

phew, my term (trimester) has just finished and i've taken advantage by working on the figure painting most of the afternoon and evening...:wip: I took rk's advice of course and the soft round has been the brush of choice today, after trying with a stipple brush which didn't work out. I also changed the colours back to the greenish high-key by pulling most of the present colours from the photo, but maybe a bit of the old orange shows through...

still under construction...would love to hear thoughts esp. regarding the modelling :)

-audit

Corvax

12-02-2005, 11:15 PM

only one word comes to mind "Wauw" ~ beautiful audit. :applause:

The feet reminds me of Lucian Freud's paintings.

audit

12-02-2005, 11:26 PM

corvax - thanks!! yeah i've spent quite some time on it now, so it's gratifying to see your post. i must return the compliment and say i very much admire your paintings too :) Freud you say!? ...hm well he wasn't in my mind at the time, more like 'dammit why are feet so complicated?!' :scream:

Rebeccak

12-03-2005, 12:10 AM

audit,
Holy crap, what an amazing improvement! :bounce:Great job so far, ESPECIALLY on the legs!! I agree with Dave, the feet do look exceptionally painterly and reminiscent of Freud. Excellent work there!! :applause:

The thing that I think needs your attention next is the area of the waist. She is sitting in a very contorted position ~ however, her waist would still be quite a bit thicker, as per your initial WIP, nonetheless. I would just take a step back to reevaluate that area. Make sure to save versions of your work and to back it up! No sense in losing all the great effort and work you've put into this so far! :)

Fantastic progress ~ the next challenge you face is to model the upper torso / back and head. Looking great so far! Really looking forward to your next update! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax

12-03-2005, 03:27 AM

David's Daily Update:

Okay so I need brake from that other pose, so I started on the second one:

RoboMonkey, here is a skeleton of the pose (done in poser)...
http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/robomonkey2.jpg

Some sugestions for you to consider:

.the ball and socket joint of the shoulder is nestled within the scapula. In your pic the joint seems to hinge above the scapula. Below is a better pic of what i mean (from Barcsay's 'Anatomy for the artist').

http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/shoulder.jpg

.the length of the humerus and the bones in the forearm should be similar.

.check the connection of the femur with the hip bone.

.perhaps make some more room for the rib cage.

HTH!

Rebeccak

12-03-2005, 01:48 PM

drawMonger,
You so rock!!! :bounce:This is a great idea! Thanks for posting this, it is of tremendous usefulnes...hmm, will have to get Poser, I think!

Thanks! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

paperclip

12-03-2005, 02:59 PM

Sigh....I had to give in to the temptation.

Here's a WIP.
About 15/20 mins, PS, wacom. I have to do the back muscles and hair and give everything a once over still....ahh...the long way of the PAPERCLIP....REMEMBER IT'S A WIP! THE SMUDGY BITS WILL BE GONE!
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/2170/workshop0081ci.jpg

Rebeccak

12-03-2005, 03:01 PM

Nice, P'clip! It's great to see you finally on the OFDW! :bounce:

Keep going!!! Wow, that's really nice so far for such a short period of time...keep at it sister! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rk

paperclip

12-03-2005, 03:06 PM

You took a whole quark-time to reply?? Slowing down in our old age, are we? :scream:

Any anatomy crits? :love:

Rebeccak

12-03-2005, 03:12 PM

P'Clip,

LMKAOITS...:D

The first thing I would say is that she has no waist currently ~ the upper back / torso moves without transition into the pelvis / buttocks. When in doubt, elongate! :)

Even though the head is in shadow, establish its outlines with maybe a low opacity gray. It's really what sets the standard for the rest of the figure, so you want to establish it's rough size and shape quickly, even if you will eventually knock it back into shadow.

The left arm is biggish, but may look less so when the torso is tweaked. When you find that things are getting a bit off proportionally, just create a new layer and do a fast gesture sketch or quick drawing to reassess the proportions. Use it as a guide as you paint ~ you can always delete / turn off the layer as your proportions become more established.

The main bit here is to get the head established first. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rk

drawMonger

12-03-2005, 03:36 PM

Hi All, here's my first WIP for this one...
http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/008-2-001.jpg
Rebecca, glad you like the skelton :) poser is pretty good for art reference.

Rebeccak

12-03-2005, 03:46 PM

drawMonger,

Completely beautiful. My only quibble at this point is that the top of her head looks too flat / there is not enough cranial mass up there. Otherwise, the lighting thus far is sublime ~ can't wait to see your next update! :applause:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

drawMonger

12-03-2005, 03:49 PM

Thanks Rebecca! I can see what you mean about the head...will fix it in the next version.

I got sidetracked because I was on the phone. I am still working on this. It is a challenge painting this freehand in photoshop:thumbsup:

TheDagger

12-03-2005, 08:34 PM

drawMonger: Wow. That looks really good.

--

I had a really bad day today but luckily painting and browsing CGTalk never fails to cheer me up a little. This was originally meant to be a quick test of brushes and colours to get myself more used to using Painter, but I got carried away abit.

http://www.winterkeep.com/ofdw/w8p2v1.jpg

http://www.winterkeep.com/ofdw/w8p2v2.jpg

Rebeccak

12-03-2005, 08:36 PM

@Corvax,

Nice, keep it coming! :thumbsup:

@pushav,

HOLY CRAP, IS THIS PUSHAV??? :thumbsup: You're doing a fantastic job, my friend, keep up the good work!! :thumbsup:

@TheDagger,

Really good start here! :) I think the values are starting to look nice in the second WIP, and the main thing I would recommend would be to tone down the texture and value of the background. Keep working on this and experimenting as you have been doing, and definitely post more WIP! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

pushav

12-03-2005, 09:11 PM

Rebecca- I think that I am on a serious lucky streak. And painting on a dark background helps me see the color differently for some reason. This time I decided to paint on a larger canvas at about 80 dpi lol i know 80 then slowly up scale it and continue to paint it. I guess what Zhuzhu was telling me is starting to sink in after tons of freehand painting failures. the 007 workshop one turned out decent and now I wanted this one to be somewhat better. I will post aonther animated w.i.p. when I am done with it.:thumbsup: Hope fully I can get the feet right. And yeah it is the same Pushav whose art you have grown to like somewhat now with 10% less spam lol. I should make a tutorial of one of theese one day when I get better at this method.

Thedagger-is the background the pallette knife in painter? Nice work so far.

Notions2Motion

12-04-2005, 12:33 AM

Thanks Drawmonger! Maybe some time next week (if I can squeeze it in during finals) I'll try and redo my piece. It took me awhile to see what you were talking about. I know in theory the humerus comes out of the glenoid cavity that's under the acromion arch and not off the top of the arm. And I know that the femur comes out of the lower middle of the side of the pelvis and should make an indentation.

But regardless of what I know in theory I think I'm still off in practice. I can see how the angle of the elbow and arm seems to imply that it's hinging from the top and not nestled in like it's supposed to. I'm working on my critical eye. Anyhow, thanks a ton for the pose and explanation!

Corvax

12-04-2005, 02:13 AM

Update:

*phev*... alright here is another update. I'm quite happy whit the way the feet turned out~ but the face .... well lets just say there is still a LOT of work to be done in that area :D.

Particularly in drawings where you are spending a short amount of time, you want to capture the essence, as we are doing in the 15 Minute Sketchathon. :) No matter the amount of time you spend on a piece, you always want to capture the essential action and movement of the pose.

The psychological tendency one has when going to do a 'drawing' is to think that details are required. Very little in the way of detail is needed to express the spirit of a pose. In fact, detail quite often impedes the expression of a pose, as the artist tends to focus on them in place of the overall gesture. Focus on GESTURE and BASIC STRUCTURE first.

Hope this helps. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

audit

12-04-2005, 06:13 PM

hi there

now at home from university so my connection has gone all slow --:sad:

anyhow got some more done on the figure: rebeccak your advice really helped the pose, thank you! I had to cut my last version up quite a bit to reposition, and spent today smoothing over, and remodelling the torso a bit...and doing the background...and detailing.

It's near completion, if only because i can't stand to look at it any more :D

PS can ANYONE tell me how to reproduce those loose strands of hair on the neck??? I tried about five times but it always ended up looking too 'in focus' or just plain fake...help!

SpiritDreamer

12-05-2005, 03:21 PM

Hi
Audit
Go to Open Figure Drawing Workshop #001 last page bottom
I ran into same problem, with strands of hair on back of models hair.
Solved it by using fine tip water color brush, fuzzes out around line
of hair that is drawn,...then I blured it just a little, using the blur brush just to soften
it up a little.
I don't know if that method will help you, but it's worth a try.
I have painter #8, don't know what program your useing.
Also, I really like your painting a lot. Definitely looking real, not photographic,
but real in a painterly way, which is better in my opinion... not an imitation of a photo,
but something more, BETTER !...:)
Have a good one,and
Take Care
Glenn
PS Your colors remind me of Goya!

Rebeccak

12-05-2005, 03:34 PM

audit,
This is looking just FANTASTIC!!! :bounce:I think I missed your post yesterday, but WOW, you are doing an amazing job!!! Keep up the great work!!! :thumbsup:

The thing I notice is that the shoulder blades need just a bit of softening, and perhaps need to be just a smidge wider. Really beautiful work, however, and even the bkgrd is looking great!! Congratulations are definitely in order. :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Mu

12-05-2005, 08:55 PM

eek

I just realized it's the last week of OFDW008 so I decided to simply get a foot in the door.

I will use my Sketchathon errr...sketch as a basis for this one.

As I did the sketch with chalk and would like to continue with artweaver's oil colours I am just preparing a smooth transition from one medium to another, here.

So, definitely WIP as wip can be, and...

audit - you know it's actually quite a challenge to post anything at all after such a breathtaking job you have done there, but I am blessed with bold idiocy:D

So, update's coming soon:

http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/9342/cgofdw008progress22wt.jpg

Rebeccak

12-05-2005, 09:16 PM

Mr. Mu,

I think you have a strong start here, and be not discouraged by audit's audaciously beautiful piece! My own piece still rests in the "blobby zone" :scream: so we shall advance, peaceably, together. :)

Wow, Mr. Mu! Really starting to shape up, especially the face and her right arm! :)
Make sure not to make the leg too small ~ you're within the bound of reason now, but I would enlarge the leg just a bit, and perhaps lengthen the torso a bit (a little copy merge, feather selection, paste + move action can really help in this process). Looks great so far, though, keep continuing to refine values and to reassess your drawing constantly.

Keep up the good work! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Mu

12-06-2005, 02:19 PM

*sigh*

I think you're right, her right leg is too short. Damn. Sadly, this means I have to redo her hand, too.

The good thing about the process I made is that while in former times I considered everything a result of mere luck so I would not have dared to touch any part of a painting again for fear of ruining everything, I feel much more secure about these things today.

So will just repaint it - and maybe ruin everything:scream:

thanks for watching, rebecca

Rebeccak

12-06-2005, 03:47 PM

Mr. Mu,

That's what copy and paste is for! No need to repaint necessarily! Just copy a selected area, feather the selection, paste it back into your document, and move it down using your arrow keys. No problemo! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Notions2Motion

12-06-2005, 08:36 PM

Thanks Rebecca - I think I'll try and give this another shot sometime. The corrections you guys have shown me are helpful. And I definitely think you're right that I need to watch my construction first. I pretty much blew it off on this one and it bit me in the butt.

Vidar3d

12-07-2005, 06:18 AM

Hey everyone! SaraD, Drawmonger, Audit, and Corvax....simply fantastic. I love the look of the background on Audit's piece! Not that your previous stuff wasn't good already but I honestly see major improvement. Sorry about the lack of participation, but I've been absolutely swamped at work! Damn tedious wine label design. Anyway I hope it's not too late to get some help from everyone before 009 starts.

So I started out with a quick gesture:

http://www.borderlandgraphics.com/008g.jpg

And about an hour of trying to block in some monochrome values. Hopefully soon I can get to the point where I can skip this step and go straight to color? Anyways I am having a tough time keeping the proper structure on the upper left leg in terms of its foreshortening. Can anyone give me a suggestion?

http://www.borderlandgraphics.com/008a.jpg

Lemog

12-07-2005, 06:20 AM

I'm back... but not very good this morning... need more work... or to change of model... or to change my hands :scream: hahaha

http://lemog.club.fr/lemog/mayalounge/divers/OFDW_008_a.jpg

Rebeccak

12-07-2005, 06:27 AM

Hey, Vidar3d, good to see you back! :)

BTW, I don't know if you saw my review of your last piece, but check it out when you get the chance. ;)

You have a great start on your new piece ~ I think with respect to the upper left leg, cease to think of it as a leg for a moment, and just look at the reference image, and see that area as a shape. I think you will find it to be more of a steak~like shape than a cylindrical shape as your brain wants to force you to think of it as. I think the toughest thing to override sometimes when drawing is the idea we have of what something should look like ~ often this keeps us from really looking at the thing we are drawing. Try to see the various shapes of the body as just that ~ shapes. It will help to simplify things. :)

Lemog,

Great to see you here! :bounce: But, I thought you had to do a portrait? I guess all of my begging finally paid off! :scream:

It's a really good start, and if you have time to work on this, I'm more than sure you can refine it to Lemoggian satisfaction! :thumbsup: Hope to see an update my friend! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Lemog

12-07-2005, 07:20 AM

But, I thought you had to do a portrait? I guess all of my begging finally paid off!
Girls are always stronger than me... :scream: (I will start the portrait tomorow... :))

It's a really good start, and if you have time to work on this, I'm more than sure you can refine it to Lemoggian satisfaction! :thumbsup: Hope to see an update my friend!
I will try... not a good feeling with this one, curiously... the one I choose for the "15mn thread" inspire me more... to follow then...

I will try... not a good feeling with this one, curiously... the one I choose for the "15mn thread" inspire me more... to follow then...
Ooh, why not work on that one then? :arteest:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Lemog

12-07-2005, 12:44 PM

Ooh, why not work on that one then? :arteest:
mmh... I'm not really patient... that is done... is done... :scream:

Latest test to continue this one... but I take my decision... I change for an another one... I don't want to rest on a presonal failure :D haha...

When I see the incredible work of Mr Audit... that give me the envy to try to be a little better... :twisted: certainly try the model number "3"... (very resting for me... :scream:... don't know why...)

Just for laughing... ->

http://lemog.club.fr/lemog/mayalounge/divers/OFDW_008_b.jpg

Hypothese about my reject : "I cannot remove my finger, it must be wedged in the hole of the bath-tub.." :scream:

Rebeccak

12-07-2005, 01:58 PM

mmh... I'm not really patient... that is done... is done... :scream:
I totally understand! I have a million unfinished pieces now, thanks to the Sketchathon! :scream:

Latest test to continue this one... but I take my decision... I change for an another one... I don't want to rest on a presonal failure :D haha...
Har, personal failure...:rolleyes: :scream:

When I see the incredible work of Mr Audit... that give me the envy to try to be a little better... :twisted: certainly try the model number "3"... (very resting for me... :scream:... don't know why...)
Go for it Lemoggie! :bounce:

Just for laughing... ->
Not just for laughing...your work always has a unique sensibility...this one is very luminous...look forward to seeing your next piece! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Mu

12-07-2005, 10:39 PM

my software does not support selection gripping and moving not to mention feathering so I got myself into trouble.

I realized that her back was a bit to small, too and had to readjust that. Right Leg a little bit longer, hand and arm redone, some value work, but all in all I am still trying to get the shape right before I dive into refining the appearance...

http://img324.imageshack.us/img324/9515/cgofdw008progress43tx.jpg

SpiritDreamer

12-07-2005, 11:35 PM

Hello everyone
My 15 min gesture sketch for figure drawing workshop 008.
Used the peanut method my teacher Burne Hogarth used.
Works great for figures that have foreshortening in them.
He used to say if you mastered the peanut you could master
any figure pose that confronts you. And he was right as usual.
Anyway method is to do peanut, then legs and feet, followed by
clavicles and arms and hands and last but not least, the neck, the head
and face. In that order. Used soft glazing brush Painter 8 total time 10 minutes.
Take care
Glenn

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Cleo_peanut.JPG

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Cleo_peanut_2.JPG

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Cleo_peanut_3.JPG

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/Cleo_pose_photo.JPG

SpiritDreamer

12-08-2005, 02:49 AM

Hi
Vidar 3d
Nice start so far, I think the problem your haveing with the upper thigh forshortining
has to do with the knee extending too far forward. If you look at photo, the whole
thigh is contained within the lower peanut shape, and barely overlappes it's outter
line. Also the line created by the tendon behind the knee, should aim toward it's
destination, which is located more toward the lower half of the thigh, and ends up
at lower center of middle hip. Devide the thigh into top, middle, and lower muscle
mass, and make sure their lines, or formes coverge at their proper destinations, and
you should be fine. Keep in mind, that the two butt muscles are behind the center
convergeing point in middle of hip, and along upper crest of hip. Study the peanut
shape, everything is held within it, and or extendes from it. Neat trick I learned from
a master of forshortining. Anyway, I hope this is of some help to you. Oh , the peanut
shape I'm talking about is in my wip in this forum, for the same model pose that your
working on.
Well good luck :thumbsup:
Take Care
Glenn

Lemog

12-08-2005, 05:45 AM

There is my participation for this workshop 008... I think it's not perfect... but better than the yesterday one :scream:

http://lemog.free.fr/lemog_v5/albums/lemog/2d/allonge1024.jpg

Rebeccak

12-08-2005, 05:56 AM

Lemog,

In honor of this beautiful work...I will use the French spelling..Woaw!!! :bounce:So impressive, almost photographic in the area of the face / hands, yet with a painterly feeling ~ great work so far!!! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Lemog

12-08-2005, 06:10 AM

Thanks Beckie...

...I think like you than head and hands are better now... and I know why...
I discover something new for me... usually... I draw the shape very quickly... not very very precisely... and always with very thin lines... which disappear very early... and in this case, I draw mor precisely in first, and with strong and large lines...

...I start the pic by the left... and of course, the right part appear better I think.

More work is needed for the hands... always a little flat... but usually... I'm very bad with hands...

A close up of the head...

http://lemog.club.fr/lemog/mayalounge/divers/head.jpg

Lemog

12-08-2005, 06:12 AM

I will use the French spelling..Woaw!!!
mmmh... "Woaw" is not a french word... rather prehistoric, not ? or maybe it's the same thing :scream: :thumbsup:

Rebeccak

12-08-2005, 06:14 AM

Thanks for the closeup, Lemog! :thumbsup: Very beautiful...I think the gesture is almost perfect, the original pose is very relaxed and inspiring I think to artists here...I like the head and heads best, but you have really gotten the overall gesture and relaxation of the pose perfectly...the only thing I see needing more work are the breasts (more modeling perhaps is needed) and the waist, which needs a little smoothing ~ apart from that, I think this piece is nearly finished! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak

12-08-2005, 06:16 AM

mmmh... "Woaw" is not a french word... rather prehistoric, not ? or maybe it's the same thing :scream: :thumbsup:
LMAO...I always see French CGTalkers writing this...so I just assumed...:scream:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Lemog

12-08-2005, 06:34 AM

Thanks for the closeup, Lemog! :thumbsup: Very beautiful...I think the gesture is almost perfect, the original pose is very relaxed and inspiring I think to artists here...I like the head and heads best, but you have really gotten the overall gesture and relaxation of the pose perfectly...the only thing I see needing more work are the breasts (more modeling perhaps is needed) and the waist, which needs a little smoothing ~ apart from that, I think this piece is nearly finished! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak
I don't think to refine more this drawing... just because finally, I used 2 technics... the old mine... and the new which appear to work better... 2 different worlds.
...in fact, I'm really proud... not about this drawing... but to have learn something new, and very important... a real progress for me... and I'm happy... it's thanks to your thread... and again more thanks to you... who always push me...
...now... I must work of the portrait of my son... christmas comes quickly now... :scream:

Rebeccak

12-08-2005, 06:39 AM

I don't think to refine more this drawing... just because finally, I used 2 technics... the old mine... and the new which appear to work better... 2 different worlds.
...in fact, I'm really proud... not about this drawing... but to have learn something new, and very important... a real progress for me... and I'm happy... it's thanks to your thread... and again more thanks to you... who always push me...
...now... I must work of the portrait of my son... christmas comes quickly now... :scream:
Totally understood ;) ~ and we expect your portrait to be posted here:

~Rebeccak
I've taking a look at this thread... and I saw some incredible portraits... (I'm always very impress by Zhuzu...)... and now, I'm very afraid by the quality of these works... really... I'm afraid... I can't... I can't :banghead: :cry: :scream:

Rebeccak

12-08-2005, 07:10 AM

I've taking a look at this thread... and I saw some incredible portraits... (I'm always very impress by Zhuzu...)... and now, I'm very afraid by the quality of these works... really... I'm afraid... I can't... I can't :banghead: :cry: :scream:
Baby steps, Lemog! :scream: :scream: :scream:

Ego

12-08-2005, 07:11 AM

:claps:

Just marvelous work I see in here. Every body's work gets more and more beautiful as the OFDW continues.
Drawmonger, how did you get that skeleton in the program called poser? Its great that you see the effect of the pose on the skelethon. Gives one a better idea on how to flesh it out.
:thumbsup: everyone!

Rebeccak

12-08-2005, 07:18 AM

Queenie,
Join back in, darlin'! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rk

*Goodnight!* :)

Ego

12-08-2005, 09:09 AM

Yes ma'am. You know I can never say no to you :)
http://www.queensoul.com/images/cgtalk/kimmelclass/OFDW008pose01asmall.jpg
Thats my 15 minute sketchathon. Should I attempt to work on it?

Lemog

12-08-2005, 09:18 AM

Yes ma'am. You know I can never say no to you :)

As I can see... the power of Beckie work with you too Queenie...

and as I say in the "15mn sketche section"... I love this one... well feeling... something between african and metallic... very original perception... :thumbsup:

SpiritDreamer

12-08-2005, 10:28 AM

Hi
Lemog
I can think of a french word that describes your latest painting....Buautiful :bounce:
Merry Chistmas :)
Take Care
Glenn

SaraD

12-08-2005, 10:53 AM

I know I´m doing it the "wrong" way, I don´t see the whole picture :sad: But I´ve tried it and it doesn´t work for me yet, so to keep the fun up I went back to my normal way of painting - bit by bit. But I AM trying new colors :applause: And I like it... I have some greens in there, and some pink and yellow... BIG improvement in my world :surprised
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/008c_002.JPG

Lemog

12-08-2005, 11:02 AM

Glenn... -> Glad you appreciate... thanks for sweet words... I was a little bit afraid to start with this one... but finally, quickly I had a good feeling...

SaraD -> I don't know if it was the wrong way, and how is your usual method... but this one appear already very well started... I just take a look on your personal website and saw your work, and especially your wip... very interesting, I like your style :thumbsup:
In any case, I hope you finish this one...

SpiritDreamer

12-08-2005, 11:35 AM

Hi
QueenSoul
There is a book out there somewhere called Painting Techniques of the Masters, I can't
remember the authors name, but it is a great book. Your painting reminded me of it. Alot
of the masters started out their paintings useing silver colors, as under paintings,then
added transparent flesh colored tints in oils over the silvers. anyway it gave the skin a
very Luminous warm feeling You might try something like that with this painting, if you feel
like it of course. If you ever get that book, I think you will love it, all kinds of Magic in it.
About twenty techniques for painting flesh, from the Old Masters.
Very nice painting you have here by the way. :thumbsup:
Merry Christmas :)
Take Care
Glenn

Hi
SaraD
WOW ! Looks Real to me, nice color :bounce:

drawMonger

12-08-2005, 11:57 AM

:claps:
Drawmonger, how did you get that skeleton in the program called poser? Its great that you see the effect of the pose on the skelethon. Gives one a better idea on how to flesh it out.

Using Poser 5, it took about 10 mins. First position the body to reflect the pose and then change the figure to a skeleton. IMHO, the quality of poser for creating finished pieces is questionable, but as an aid it's great!

Here is the link (http://www.e-frontier.com/article/articleview/1597/1/281?sbss=281) (i think...it used to be by curious labs...but looks like it's been bought out??)

Ego

12-08-2005, 12:04 PM

Hi Glen, thanks for the review and the book recommendation. I recently became interested in painting like the old masters. There is a whole cult doing it over at wetcanvas. I bought this book called 'How to paint like the Old masters' by Joseph Sheppard. I am really interested in this and am even looking around for personal tutors around my area.
Should be interesting to see what develops from it.

Cheers

Queenie

Ego

12-08-2005, 12:40 PM

Thanks for the response Drawmonger.

SpiritDreamer

12-08-2005, 12:43 PM

Hi
QueenSoul
Great to hear that, the right path to Great Art I think. :thumbsup:
Glenn

SaraD

12-08-2005, 02:34 PM

Some progress
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/008c_004.JPG

Lemog

12-08-2005, 02:54 PM

You're right to continue in this way Sara... that comes perfect... I like that... :thumbsup: great progression...

Rebeccak

12-08-2005, 03:01 PM

Great stuff going on here, guys!!! :bounce:Keep up the good work! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

drawMonger

12-08-2005, 03:19 PM

Happy to help Queenie :)

I'm still plodding along with this one...WIP2
http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/008-2-3.jpg

SpiritDreamer

12-08-2005, 04:31 PM

Hi
SaraD
Was just thinking, it would be great to see this progression your doing anamated,
with realism spreading over the figure from toes to fingertips, in a smooth flow.
Great job so far...GO FOR IT...:bounce:
Glenn

SaraD

12-08-2005, 04:46 PM

Hi
SaraD
Was just thinking, it would be great to see this progression your doing anamated,
with realism spreading over the figure from toes to fingertips, in a smooth flow.
Great job so far...GO FOR IT...:bounce:
Glenn

What a great idea, SD - if I only knew how to make it :shrug:

SpiritDreamer

12-08-2005, 04:54 PM

Hi
DrawMonger
Looking good so far, :thumbsup: ...maybe just a little more curve in that outter edge of her upper arm
next to her face, makes a nice arc.
By the way, thanks again for the help you gave me on #7's eye and face, helped to
improve it alot I think :)
Take Care
Glenn

SpiritDreamer

12-08-2005, 05:10 PM

Hi
SaraD
Can't help you there, maybe Lemog knows how, or knows somebody,who knows somebody,
who knows how LOL...somebody must know how to do it :eek:
Glenn

Rebeccak

12-08-2005, 05:23 PM

SaraD,

You could always make an animated gif, or even just post sequential JPGs. I think SpiritDreamer was really just fantasizing there. ;)

You could do something like that in After Effects, but I don't see it as being necessary. ;)

Cheers,

~Rk

SpiritDreamer

12-08-2005, 07:07 PM

Rebecca
LOL !... I was serious, seriously, that's the way I saw it. :scream: I'm not called Spirit Dreamer
for nothing, you know. :)
Take Care and
Merry Chistmas
Glenn

SaraD

12-08-2005, 07:47 PM

I´m on your side in this one Spirit-UpUpAndFarAway-Dreamer *LOL*
That would be cool. But, that would mean you all have to sit through all my Ctrl-Z:s as well, and that´s not to inspiring ;)

Lemog

12-08-2005, 08:53 PM

Of course, for a super movie explanation... After Effect is the good choice... :scream: but in your case... I think the better solution is to save sometimes a jpg or a gif of your work, each 5 or 10 minutes, depend of you speedness... and in final, assembled all the frames with Image Ready to export a gif animated, or a simple software as gif animator. But if you have more of 30 or 50 images... the movie comes a better solution...
...I do something like that at the end of the Master & Servant challenge, to show the progress of the realization.

Rebeccak

12-08-2005, 08:56 PM

Lolo,

Will you be doing this for Spectacular as well? :)

Cheers,

~Rk

Lemog

12-08-2005, 09:12 PM

Lolo,

Will you be doing this for Spectacular as well? :)

Cheers,

~Rk
Sorry... no... I've planed to do it... but the entire 3d file is too heavy for my old PC... to realize this kind of movie.

But if you want to see something near, you can go on my website at this page...

http://lemog.free.fr/lemog_v5/displayimage.php?album=92&pos=5

and click on the slideshow bottom...[>>] that seem a little as a movie, and you can follow the "spectacular" progress...

Do you saw the movie of the master & servant ?

Rebeccak

12-08-2005, 09:21 PM

Lolo,

Nope, I didn't see it ~ didn't know you back then! :scream: Can you post a link? Would love to see it! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rk

Lemog

12-08-2005, 09:29 PM

Lolo,

Nope, I didn't see it ~ didn't know you back then! :scream: Can you post a link? Would love to see it! :thumbsup:

Right when you thought it was safe to log back into this forum I appear with another update on my humble submission. With alot of toil and tears I think I have been able fix the top leg.

http://www.borderlandgraphics.com/008b.jpg

Keep the suggestion coming. I am going to lock the door to my office and try to work on this for a bit whilst on the clock Muhahahaha!

Rebeccak

12-09-2005, 05:53 AM

Vidar3d,

Great stuff so far! This pose looks much more natural than your first, I am really impressed with how quickly you are improving! :thumbsup:

The next things I suppose are the right arm and lower left leg.

The torso so far is looking really good ~ I would suggest perhaps darkening the background just a bit to give you more contrast in areas around the body...looking forward to your next update! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SaraD

12-09-2005, 01:07 PM

Some more work... I´ve decided to let all my future models hide their hands on the photos :( How can it be so hard!? :scream:
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/008c_006.JPG

Lemog

12-09-2005, 01:21 PM

whaouw... beautiful birth of shape :)

drawMonger

12-09-2005, 01:43 PM

... all my future models hide their hands on the photos :( How can it be so hard!? :scream:
yeah, evolution has dealt us a hard blow...how kind it would have been for artists if we all got around with flippers ;)

SaraD

12-09-2005, 01:52 PM

Flippers and everyone should be bold :) That would be the ultimate individual ...

drawMonger

12-09-2005, 03:14 PM

Here's my next update...i'll summarise the process using the words of a famous dolphin...

Thanks Corvax :bowdown:
I find it hard, but I can see how much more vivid and lively the painting gets, so it´s worth the agony :)

SpiritDreamer

12-09-2005, 06:06 PM

Hi
DrawMonger
Nice job, I like her face... Don't forget that the most appealing aspect of this painting
besides the model, is the lighting , don't be afraid to let the forms vanish into the imagenation of the viewer,..... That's what gives it it's power and appeal ...That's just my opnion though.
Take Care
Glenn

Corvax

12-09-2005, 09:17 PM

Thanks Corvax :bowdown:
I find it hard, but I can see how much more vivid and lively the painting gets, so it´s worth the agony :)

come on, it cant be that bad. Colors can seem chaotic if you don't approach them in some orderly fashion.

Here is sort of the way I think when observing colors (and light to some extent) on an object:

besides the "object color", which would be the skin tone in this example (that's sort of what you can see in Image two on leg number one), I like to divide a shape/object into five main areas ~ shadow (area "a" in image one) ~ midtone (area (b) in image one) ~ highlight (area (c) in image one) ~ the area inbetween shadow and midtone ~ the area inbetween midtone and highlight ~.
I take a close look at each area and there relationship to one another and ask my self ~ is this color warm or cold ?~ how saturated is it ?~ where does it exist in my color wheel? ~ how dark/light is the color ?~ if I can answer theis questions I can pretty much pick the color I want.

once I'm done whit the five main areas (you can see how that would sort of look in image two leg two) I'll often look at the edges of strong highlights and shadows (not so much form shadows as cast shadows), there is often a little bit of a color shift right on the edge of a highlight or shadow, if you paint that in you gonna get a really dynamic shadow/highlight (it kinda shows on the highlight in image two leg three).

don't try to handle all the colors all at once.

there's alot more to add but this should get you pretty fare and hopefully take some of the pain of working whit colors away.

[warning the following images were very quickly generated and are just a means of illustrating a point they are not meant to be pretty.]

I LOVE the pale, painterly quality to this work...my favorite of yours so far! :applause:

Corvax,

Beautiful ~ though I still think the face looks less finished than the body. Other than that, excellent work!!! :applause: I particularly love the feet! :thumbsup:

Just saw your demo, that's GREAT!!! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SaraD

12-09-2005, 09:31 PM

Corvax - I´ll print it out, put it on the wall and study, study, study :) You´re a star for taking the time to explain to me. :love:

Rebeccak

12-09-2005, 09:32 PM

SaraD,

You ought to consider doing a more compositional, finished painting ~ I would love to see you put together a figure in an environment / figures etc. and create a beautiful, finished work! Something personal, like a traditional painting...what do you think? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

SaraD

12-09-2005, 09:42 PM

SaraD,

You ought to consider doing a more compositional, finished painting ~ I would love to see you put together a figure in an environment / figures etc. and create a beautiful, finished work! Something personal, like a traditional painting...what do you think? :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Rebeccak - you read my mind :) I was just thinking that I had to push my imagination a bit and try to compose something. But I haven´t done this (painting) for long, and I feel my imagination hasn´t come to that point yet. It´s "easy" to paint from a referencephoto, hard to paint from a vision... But, I´ll keep the thought and start explore the masters for inspiration. I have to study background, movement, focus etc etc. But, I´ll get there, and you guys will be the first to be invited on my journey :banghead:

Rebeccak

12-09-2005, 09:46 PM

Originally Posted by SaraD: Rebeccak - you read my mind :) I was just thinking that I had to push my imagination a bit and try to compose something. But I haven´t done this (painting) for long, and I feel my imagination hasn´t come to that point yet. It´s "easy" to paint from a referencephoto, hard to paint from a vision... But, I´ll keep the thought and start explore the masters for inspiration. I have to study background, movement, focus etc etc. But, I´ll get there, and you guys will be the first to be invited on my journey :banghead:
SaraD, that will be awesome! When you feel that you're ready, I really hope you will create your own Anatomy Thread, and post your past and current work, as well as any WIP, there. Also, any time you or anyone else here on this thread feels like doing a Tutorial, please feel free! I love for people who have worked so hard in these Workshops and who have come up with fantastic works such as you guys are all doing here, to post step-by-step Tutorials on how you created your paintings ~ there is no need to get my approval, simply create a New Thread and call it: TUTORIAL - *what it's about* - by *your name*. Hope to see Tutorials by you or anyone here on OFDW 008!!! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Corvax

12-09-2005, 09:51 PM

Corvax,

Beautiful ~ though I still think the face looks less finished than the body. Other than that, excellent work!!! :applause: I particularly love the feet! :thumbsup:

yeah its a good example of time not very well spent :D *heh*.

~ SaraD: wow easy girl ~ this is just my approach and its no where near perfect, allot is still left up to gut feeling -- looking forward to seeing your painting should you take Rebecca's advice.

Rebeccak

12-09-2005, 09:56 PM

Guys, at some point, perhaps we can all take this Workshop to the next level and start to work on Figurative Composition. Would any of you be interested in doing that? I'm not exactly sure how that would work ~ I'd have to talk to Hong to see if he could get more than one model at one time, which is expensive ~ but there is also the possibility of you guys working from your own Reference, imagination, etc., and putting together a figurative composition / more finished painting in a short amount of time, say, 4 weeks. Any thoughts on this? The next few months (this month especially, and really through March) will be hectic for me, but if you guys come up with some ideas, I am happy to start looking into seeing what I can do regarding resources. One of the previous models, Ron Eyre, was willing to take requests for poses. Additionally I have been in contact with a old instructor of mine who runs a drawing workshop where he has clothed models in environments ~ but I think it would be worthwhile for everyone to start exploring personal visions in their artwork ~ meaning, really, anything goes ~ you can depict the full figure, or parts of the figure in a more collage type of image, or whatever it is that your imagination decides you need to create.

I'd be interested in hearing your feedback. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Mu

12-09-2005, 10:23 PM

First of all, my update. I will leave the shape as it is and will work on the values from now on.

She has got this wonderful muscle shades all over her back - terrific reference!

All blending is done with the hard egded brush wich is somehow satisfactory, don't know why, though. Ah, as concerns shape: hair and hands are still too amorph, hehe.

Will do more tomorrow as the avatar snowball fight on the dsg got in my way:D

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/9335/cgofdw008progress58im.jpg

Guys, at some point, perhaps we can all take this Workshop to the next level and start to work on Figurative Composition. Would any of you be interested in doing that?

I am a sponge when it comes to knowledge - let's do it:bounce:

but I think it would be worthwhile for everyone to start exploring personal visions in their artwork

you know, this is actually what I am here for in the long run. To be finally able to make all the visual dreams I have come real. I don't feel I am anywhere near the skills necessary for a decent composition, but as I am blessed with bold idiocy I'd give it a try nevertheless...

I'd be interested in hearing your feedback. :)

Let me put it that way: Never have I made so much progress in so short a time having so much fun. Which basically means: Whatever you do - count me in... and when others feel like this, too, I will listen and maybe make suggestions, too, if I can think of sonething sensible.

Rebeccak

12-09-2005, 10:32 PM

Mr. Mu,

I think this is looking great so far, particularly the upper 3/4 of the body, which is really in good shape! The leg still needs work, but I think you are working from the top down, so I think as you start to work on that section you will naturally start to enlarge / lower the leg a bit. Nice work so far!

Thank you for all the enthusiastic comments, it's great to have you aboard! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Mu

12-09-2005, 10:41 PM

[...]you will naturally start to enlarge / lower the leg a bit.

*sweats*

ah, erm yeah exactly, the leg, enlarge, lower, hehe

*makes a note under the desk*

sure, would have done it anyway...urhm:D

Nice work so far!

Thank you for all the enthusiastic comments, it's great to have you aboard! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

oh, it's my pleasure...:)

Rebeccak

12-09-2005, 10:46 PM

Hehe, the Mr. Mu never fails to make me laugh. :scream:

Cheers, :)

~Rk

SaraD

12-09-2005, 11:01 PM

I think I´m finished with this one now:)

Rebbeccak - I agree with Mu - I have never learned so much in such a short time before! So, count me in. I jump on anything that can help me improve!
http://sara.mallverkstan.net/images/WIP/008c_007.JPG

Rebeccak

12-09-2005, 11:05 PM

Originally posted by SaraD: Rebbeccak - I agree with Mu - I have never learned so much in such a short time before! So, count me in. I jump on anything that can help me improve!
That's great, it's terrific to have you on board! I think you're inspiring a lot of people around here, including me! :thumbsup: Keep up the great work!! :bounce:

WOW, this is really beautiful! I am consistently impressed with your speed and accuracy ~ it is quite amazing, really ~ and I was serious about that Tut! :thumbsup:

Now...woohoo, going to a concert tonight...should be fun! :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

EDIT: Do you have a hi~res version that you could post? It would be great to see the details! :thumbsup:

ruffstuff

12-10-2005, 07:23 AM

Sara, Lovely finish!:thumbsup:

Hi Rebecca,Is there a particular time limit for completing the artwork on this workshop?

Rebeccak

12-10-2005, 08:11 AM

ruffstuff,

Hey there, good to see you on this thread! :) Each OFDW runs for 2 weeks ~ however, each past OFDW remains open indefinitely. Most people move on to the most recent OFDW ~ the next one, OFDW 009, will begin late Sunday / early Monday. :) Hope you join us!

Hi
SaraD
Really nice job, great color.....What's going through her mind, as she lay's there
Maybe she's day dreaming about something beautiful..maybe in her mind,she's
at the edge of a waterfall, deep in the forest, under a rainbow, surrounded by
hummingbirds, butterflies, dragonflies,and all the other beautiful creatures nature
has created. Maybe in her dream, she desires adventure,and out of the shadows
of her imagination, appears a satyr, ready and more than willing to fulfill her every
desire, that being the nature of the satyr, and thus startes the adventure of her
imagination, where anything, and everything is possible.
Just throwing a spark your way, hope it ignites your imagination, and helps your
vision to burn strong and bright.
Take Care
Glenn

drawMonger

12-10-2005, 04:13 PM

Hi All, i'm happy with the way this one has turned out...but still I'm totally envious of the rich skin tones of corvax and SaraD's work and the also the radiance of audit's piece. I think the main mistake i made is by colorizing the b&w directly rather than using a new layer (as i read from Steven Stahlberg's painting tutorial after the fact).
http://digitalcraft.com.au/misc/008-2-6.jpg

Rebeccak

12-10-2005, 04:21 PM

drawMonger,

First ~ beautiful work! Second ~ I'm sure you can still colorize the skin using a new layer set to a Blending Mode of choice ~ do you feel like experimenting with that? I'm sure you could pretty quickly warm the skin up, though frankly, I love the cold, stony look that you've given her, even if it was not your intention. I would definitely save two versions of this piece, and compare later down the line to see which you prefer. I love that everyone did something different with the color ~ believe it or don't, I LOVE color, and variation on a theme is always ace in my book! :thumbsup:

One more thing you may wish to consider is softening the lines around the outer edges of her torso ~ atm, they look similarly sharp, and you may want to just lightly hit that area to make it a bit softer in some places. Also, her left foot looks just a touch unfinished.

Great stuff, and it will be interesting to see if you do decide to experiment a bit with the blending mode technique. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Ego

12-10-2005, 04:26 PM

:blush:
I started doing some little details on the character. This is just a little update so you guys know am still working on this. :D
http://www.queensoul.com/images/cgtalk/kimmelclass/OFDW00801asmallupdate.jpg

drawMonger

12-10-2005, 04:28 PM

Guys, at some point, perhaps we can all take this Workshop to the next level and start to work on Figurative Composition. Would any of you be interested in doing that?
This sounds great! It would be a really worthwhile exercise i think.

I'm not exactly sure how that would work ~ I'd have to talk to Hong to see if he could get more than one model at one time, which is expensive
Yes, models are expensive! I'm learning that first hand. Thank you to Hong for providing his poses for our use :applause:

but there is also the possibility of you guys working from your own Reference, imagination, etc., and putting together a figurative composition / more finished painting in a short amount of time, say, 4 weeks. Any thoughts on this?
I'm game :)

I have been in contact with a old instructor of mine who runs a drawing workshop where he has clothed models in environments
Yes please :bounce: A big problem of mine is putting a figure in an environment so any experiece in this would be great!

but I think it would be worthwhile for everyone to start exploring personal visions in their artwork ~ meaning, really, anything goes ~ you can depict the full figure, or parts of the figure in a more collage type of image, or whatever it is that your imagination decides you need to create.
good fun ahead!

drawMonger

12-10-2005, 04:32 PM

Great stuff, and it will be interesting to see if you do decide to experiment a bit with the blending mode technique.
Thanks Rebecca! I'll try to do a little experimentation witt the colours and will see how it goes. I'll also soften the torso edges on this one :)

Rebeccak

12-10-2005, 04:33 PM

Queensoul,

Nice! I am really liking the way this is shaping up so far! :thumbsup: I think the main recommendation I would have at this point would be to completely fill the bkgrd with black. I like the touches of magenta, but would recommend desaturating your image, so that you can focus strictly on values. The torso and legs / head are looking good both proportionally and volumetrically ~ I would recommend working on the arms to really bring them up to the same level of believability. :)

The ribs are looking a little bit straight, and I would suggest perhaps rounding and softening them, and lessening the contrast a bit ~ the danger with b/w is that you can end up creating depth unintentionally, and the ribs due to the high contrast look a bit like gills ~ this effect can be easily shifted by just graying down the white, and softening the edge transition. :)

Also, watch the hands and make sure that they are not too small. A good rule to go by is that your hand is approximately the same size as your face. So that's something you can use in pictures to make sure your proportions are lining up correctly. :)

Looking good so far Queenie! I hope to see another update! :bounce:

Cheers, :)

~Rk

Rebeccak

12-10-2005, 04:35 PM

drawMonger,

Thanks for the enthusiastic response to the idea for the Workshop! :) Like I say, it's not something I can do immediately, but I definitely think it's the logical next step for this group, and I definitely don't want you guys to get bored! :)

And looking forward to your update then! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rk

Ego

12-10-2005, 04:38 PM

Sweet review Becca!

*writes down everything you said.

Rebeccak

12-10-2005, 04:42 PM

Hehe, thanks Queenie! :) Great to see you back!!! :bounce:

Icey

12-10-2005, 08:05 PM

even thow i have been watching this forum for about 2 years, this is my first post...

and in this post i have to thank you for the wonderful reference on your website!! :)

Queensoul - mine is under construction, too, so you're not alone! I would love it if you could manage to somehow carry over the delicacy of your shading of her left leg's (the one that is half in the dark) calf...waiting for your update.

Icey - welcome! These sketches are great. And they refer back to the name of the game (open figure drawing workshop)... I especially like the secon from left in the upper row. Strong linework, imho.

SpiritDreamer

12-11-2005, 03:19 AM

Hello
Icey
Those are some really fine drawings you have there, I like the weight of your line, nice
and dark in the right places, and nice and light in all the right places. Really gives them a
nice atmospheric feeling,and flow. Hope you post more, and more often...;)
Take Care
Glenn

Rebeccak

12-11-2005, 03:31 AM

Icey,

These drawings are fantastic, and Congrats on your first post! I'm honored that it's in the OFDWs here ~ it's great to see your work! :)

I hope that you will continue to participate ~ the next OFDW (009) starts late tomorrow night / early Monday morning.

Can you tell us a bit about your training / background? :)

Looking forward to seeing more of your posts! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Ego

12-11-2005, 08:50 AM

Nice drawings Icey.
Hehe thanks Mr Mu. I am rushing now to get this to a leavable stage so I dont have to play catch up with 009.
Here are some details I just finished on the hand.
http://www.queensoul.com/images/cgtalk/kimmelclass/OFDW008handdetail.jpg

Icey

12-11-2005, 02:21 PM

Mr. Mu,
Spirit Dreamer
Queensoul
thank you for all the kind replys!! :)

Rebecca, i don't know what can i say about me... I'm 21 and i've been drowing for 3, 3 and a half years, and i can say i deffinitly want to do this all my life... and now i'm trieing to catch up all the lost time and all the years of walking in the dark without knowing what i wish to do with my life... I never had somebody to guide me so i must visit forums and tutorials to get the answears i want and the subjects just to phrase my next questions... and than searching for the answear again.. It is hard to do it all by myself but... i've heard the true happyness of life is to climb the mountain, not being on top of it :)

I'm glad to be here with the best! And i'm glad i've seen your web-site because you have the best reference i've seen!! (i think i had only 7-8 lifedrowing hours in my life because we don't have workshops here...)

Sorry for my bad english, by the way :p

Hope i can post these here... and not brakeing any rules :p - sorry for the bad pictures
(i have a problem with small hands in my figure drowings...)

Icey

12-11-2005, 02:59 PM

i've already wrote this twice! hope this time i get to post it! :)))))

Mr. Mu

Spirit Dreamer

Queensoul

thank you all for the kind replys!

Rebeccak, what can i say about me? I'm 21, I'm in an architecture college and i've been drowing for 3, 3 and a half years. And now i have to catch up for all the years i've lost not knowing what i want to do with my life.
I never had somebody to guide me, to tell me drowing tricks, so i had to visit forums to get the answears to my questions, to learn new things so i can ask myself more questions, and than search for the answear again! We don't have workshops so your website helped me a lot!! provideing the best reference i've seen!! (you should get man too for refference!) If i have to count all the lifedrowings hours i had in my life... i think i;ll get about 7 or 8.. :( that's why i have to find reference where ever i can found. It's hard to do it by yourself, but... i love it! and i'll do it and try to do it so that i wown't keep it as a hobby!

It's good to be here with the best! :)

hope i can post this here - sorry fot the bad pictures... :( - and for the bad english! :p

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v497/Grecia2004/9a5cbda3.jpg

Mu

12-11-2005, 03:05 PM

another update and an important one. I remember how I announced not to touch the shape of this again... HAHAHA. The wish was father to the thought...

I lowered *both* her legs. Her left leg was way too high (the line that separated the calf from the upper thigh is below the breast contour in the ref - and onyl with this version I adhere to that fact).

Did some values, too, though I need to rebuild the values on the legs.

*shakes fist*

"I will finish this!"

*jumps off to finally watch Harry Potter thanks to the babysitter...*

http://img465.imageshack.us/img465/4233/cgofdw008progress66ls.jpg

til soon everyone!

drawMonger

12-11-2005, 03:16 PM

Icey, If you are looking for somewhere to practice and improve you've found it! I too like your work and look forward to seeing more :)

Mr Mu. Your piece is looking good! I don't know what resolution you are working at, but i've found the the bigger the resolution and file size, the more control you've got of your picture, esp. with regards to blending tones and the finer details. I mention this because you look to be using a large brush size...there's nothing wrong with that...but just a thought.

Originally posted by Icey: Rebeccak, what can i say about me? I'm 21, I'm in an architecture college and i've been drowing for 3, 3 and a half years. And now i have to catch up for all the years i've lost not knowing what i want to do with my life.
I never had somebody to guide me, to tell me drowing tricks, so i had to visit forums to get the answears to my questions, to learn new things so i can ask myself more questions, and than search for the answear again! We don't have workshops so your website helped me a lot!! provideing the best reference i've seen!! (you should get man too for refference!) If i have to count all the lifedrowings hours i had in my life... i think i;ll get about 7 or 8.. :( that's why i have to find reference where ever i can found. It's hard to do it by yourself, but... i love it! and i'll do it and try to do it so that i wown't keep it as a hobby!
Icey, for someone who has learned entirely online ~ and really, for anyone ~ your work is very impressive! :thumbsup: Thanks for telling us about yourself, it's really interesting and helps me to know where you're coming from. Yep, Hong's Reference is great, and I agree that we need to have more men in the mix ~ perhaps I'll post some more of Ben's (justmeina's) photos tonight for OFDW 009. :)

I'm really glad to see you do Drawings here, as funnily enough, this has become more of an OFPW (Open Figure Painting Workshop) which is completely fine with me (great, in fact) :) but I like when people do drawings as well. :thumbsup:

Good to have you aboard, and hope you will continue to participate for a long time! :)

Mr. Mu, I think this is looking a lot better now that you've readjusted / repainted the legs ~ she looks much more natural now, not as scrunched up. You're making great progress! The thing I would caution you about Value~wise is not to go too light in any area before you are really ready ~ in the area of the buttocks, for example, you have run out of Value range, and need to gray it down a bit so that you can make that area volumetric through shading. Otherwise, I would just say to keep going, I think you are making a lot of progress here! :)

Great stuff, guys! :thumbsup:

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Mu

12-11-2005, 08:40 PM

hi there,

queensoul - i forgot to add that your textures and little wrinkles on the hand are amazing. When you are finished post a high-res!

Mr Mu. Your piece is looking good! I don't know what resolution you are working at, but i've found the the bigger the resolution and file size, the more control you've got of your picture, esp. with regards to blending tones and the finer details. I mention this because you look to be using a large brush size...there's nothing wrong with that...but just a thought.

Thanks a lot for the feedback! At the moment I am working at 1224*1300 and figure that is much too rough a resolution. Alas, artweaver, the app I am using, as of yet has no memory management and is eating up vast amounts of RAM. My workstation has 2.4Ghz cpu and 512MB of Ram - I remember I could use the PainterIX demo comfortably at high-res, but artweaver just does not respond at all very quickly.

:cry:

I need PainterIX! At the time being I have some auctions I keep an eye on, but it might just take some time. In the meantime I can only admire things like queensoul's textures and keep that goal in mind for later on...

Btw, Queensoul, at what res do you work?

Rebecca - thanks for your hints on value! I will take this as far as my equipment allows and will join the OFDW009, then. The start of a new OFDW has become a fixed date in my schedule.

Here's an update. Kind of hurrying now, since I want to join in the very beginning of 009, which by the way has just started.
http://www.queensoul.com/images/cgtalk/kimmelclass/OFDW00801aupdate.jpg

Rebeccak

12-12-2005, 02:51 AM

Queensoul,

I'm more and more impressed with your improvement...your proportions are looking really good, and you've got all of the basic values established, which is great! :thumbsup:

Her lower right arm looks a bit too curved / a little bit boneless, and her left arm a bit too pointy, possibly too short, but overall, I think you've done a great job with this. I hope you can finish it too! :) I think what remains is just to fine tune the values ~ you've done a great job with the ribcage area, which now looks a lot more natural. I think adding a bit more shadow to the lower part of her face would give more of a sense of depth to that area.

Great work, Queenie!!! :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Ego

12-12-2005, 03:00 AM

aah :blush: we can't have her boneless when she is about to reign fire and brimstone on a city. :D
I'll polish it up some more Becca.

Rebeccak

12-12-2005, 03:02 AM

Keep polishing away, I think you've got a gem! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rk

SpiritDreamer

12-12-2005, 03:52 AM

QueenSoul
You might want to soften the top line of her neck and increase angle of line horizontally
will give her head that downward motion,and will make it a more graceful neck, just a hair
too thick at the moment, just that one top top line of neck.
I agree with Rebecca,... A gem that just gets better, the more you polish it...:thumbsup:
Glenn

Ego

12-12-2005, 03:59 AM

I just love this place! You know I was considering doing that a few hours ago Glenn, then dismissed it; So my first instinct was right then. cheers and thanks.

Rebeccak

12-12-2005, 07:59 AM

Everyone,

Please be advised that the new OFDW 009 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=301355) has now opened! While all OFDWs remain open on a continuous basis, most people will be moving on to the new OFDW 009 (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=301355).

Each OFDW runs for 2 weeks, but remains open indefinitely.
Hope to see you on OFDW 009! (http://forums.cgsociety.org/showthread.php?t=301355) :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Lemog

12-12-2005, 08:07 AM

3 times the same link... you really think to me dear :scream: hop hop... I go... :thumbsup:

Rebeccak

12-12-2005, 08:10 AM

I would have linked it 4 times! :scream:

SpiritDreamer

12-12-2005, 11:51 PM

Hi Rebecca and Everyone
Got off to a late start on this one. Had to finish an Elk Painting requested - posted it on
my 'personal' thread, page 3.
Will start on Ben's painting tomorrow also.
Work on two at once, LOL.
Used a different brush, thick wet oils Painter 8, for this.
Want to try for an impasto look.
Something new for me.
Rebecca, when you get a chance, could use your advice and recommendations as always.
And that goes for everybody else, too.
Some great poses by Ben, by the way.
Take Care
Glenn

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/008-2.jpg

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/008-6.jpg

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/008-10.jpg

Lemog

12-13-2005, 05:14 AM

Hey... fantastic Glenn... I really appreciate this way of work... the effects works very good for me... :thumbsup:

Icey

12-13-2005, 08:21 AM

that's a cool one! :)

Mu

12-13-2005, 08:40 AM

Glenn,

this is really exciting. Completely different look, different from the other works in the workshop, but also from your own stuff (at least as far as I know or have seen)...

Are you planning on keeping the sensual surface or will you smoothen it later on? (I say: keep it rough - looks so sensual you want to stroke the surface...)

Looking forward to what's going to happen.

Ego

12-13-2005, 08:59 AM

Glenn thats very interesting. Cant wait to see how it looks.
I have reached the stage of 'leave it temporarily', on my piece. I want to put her in an environment which will definitely change a couple of things, especially the lighting. So I'll keep working on it as a WIP.
This has been fun.
http://www.queensoul.com/images/cgtalk/kimmelclass/OFDW008pose01asmall2.jpg

Lemog

12-13-2005, 09:04 AM

Good refining cession for your black panther... beautiful work Queenie...

the hand appear very nice and detailed :thumbsup:

Rebeccak

12-13-2005, 09:10 AM

Queensoul,

You've done a great job here, and I want to commend you on a really beautiful piece! One of these days I'm going to get you to post your first digital piece as comparison to show how far you've come ~ keep up the good work sweetie!:)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Ego

12-13-2005, 09:14 AM

Queensoul,

You've done a great job here, and I want to commend you on a really beautiful piece! One of these days I'm going to get you to post your first digital piece as comparison to show how far you've come ~ keep up the good work sweetie!:)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak
Thanks Becca. OH and I been gossiping about you in irc.
Hold on let me dig it up :D

Ego

12-13-2005, 09:15 AM

[10:00] <Queensoul> http://forums.cgsociety.org/showpost.php?p=2906677&postcount=199
[10:01] <erilaz> ouch! nice! Very smooth!
[10:01] <erilaz> It's so encouraging to see so many people getting so much better!
[10:01] <Queensoul> yes! Rebecca is one hell of a muse
[10:02] <erilaz> Heh
[10:02] <erilaz> Mental Mentor :D
[10:02] <Queensoul> and who is to say she isnt? huh?
[10:02] <Queensoul> she appeared out of NOWHERE
[10:02] <Queensoul> lol
[10:02] <Queensoul> suddenly the art section is burstling with life
[10:02] <erilaz> Great huh?
[10:02] <Queensoul> people who dont feel like drawing are drawing
[10:02] <Queensoul> *starts a good conspiracy theory
[10:02] <Queensoul> hehe

*hides*

Ego

12-13-2005, 09:19 AM

Good refining cession for your black panther... beautiful work Queenie...

the hand appear very nice and detailed :thumbsup:
Merci Lemog.

SpiritDreamer

12-13-2005, 11:41 AM

Lemog...Icey...Mr Mu...and of course last, but not least...QueenSoul...Thank you all
for the encouraging words,... put a smile on my face, nice way to start the day... Thanks..:thumbsup:

QueenSoul..Great job...BEAUTIFIL....That pointing finger can be used to your advantage in
a composition, don't let it take you out of the piture...
Take Care All
Glenn

TheDagger

12-13-2005, 10:38 PM

Mr. Mu & Queensoul: It's always nice to see fellow art hobbyist making such great progress as you two are making. :thumbsup:

--

Finally had enough time to do some painting today. Exams have been eating my time lately. =/

http://www.winterkeep.com/ofdw/w8p2v3.jpg

A small update but update nonetheless.

Mu

12-13-2005, 11:27 PM

Mr. Mu & Queensoul: It's always nice to see fellow art hobbyist making such great progress as you two are making

thank you so much!:love:

you've got some wonderful skin tones on her belly and her upper thigh.

It's good to see people are still around in this thread - my last updates are still to come...

SpiritDreamer

12-13-2005, 11:41 PM

Hi Rebecca and Everyone:
Still going for something new for me in this one
Soften figure using softener brush, Painter 8, tints section
Then painted over most of it with broad wet oil brush strokes, oils Painter 8
Trying to get a mid tone range of colors
Left some areas blurry and soft and untouched to give depth
Next will try to get full range of color using oil brushes Painter 8

Glenn

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/008-13.jpg

http://artbyglenngallegos.com/images/008-15.jpg

Vidar3d

12-14-2005, 03:38 AM

Another update. Feet are hard. I can tell I need to pull out the old anatomy book and do some serious studies. Overall I am happy with the torso. I'll come back to work on this but I am off too 009 to clear my head a bit.

http://www.borderlandgraphics.com/008c.jpg

Rebeccak

12-14-2005, 04:43 AM

Vidar3d,

WOW ~ you are doing a fantastic job!! :applause: This is just a tremendous improvement over your initial pieces ~ I think I actually said "Wow" out loud when I just saw this. :)

The thing I think you need to work on the most is getting the head and face of your figures to read more volumetrically. Perhaps a few head studies (large, head only) are in order? :)
It can be a good idea to take just one aspect of the body and to do detailed studies. Then, when you go to render the full~figure, you are better equipped to tackle the figure as a whole. The old masters did the same thing ~ you'll often see enlarged sketches of heads next to full~figures ~ it's just tough to get as much detail in a relatively small area of space.

Great to see your work, and really looking forward to seeing what you will do in OFDW 009! :thumbsup:

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

Lemog

12-14-2005, 05:15 AM

Spirit Dreamer -> Hey Glen... I really like the second one... I like this matter... strange and original... but that give some consistence to the shape... good for my eyes :thumbsup:

Vidar3d -> I'm not good as Rebecca about proportion, but your B&W drawing is really pleasant... and really expressive... cheers :applause:

mrtristan

12-14-2005, 03:45 PM

Just wanted to participate in the forum again, because participating seems to be one of the nicest way of saying thanks. And saying thanks. :P

I noticed that many painters plop in the light from the shadow, working from a dark background to light. I did it the opposite way: adding shadow, just like drawing. (And I like lines: go figure.)

Great to have you back! Looking forward to seeing how your piece progresses ~ it's going beautfully so far!

Looking forward to your update. :)

Cheers,

~Rebeccak

Lemog

12-15-2005, 05:44 AM

Very good work Tristan... and other all, very interesting about many points, as your technic... and tones used... I like that :thumbsup:

Mu

12-15-2005, 10:05 PM

so, here we go, very probably my last update (probability for another update bordering on zero). I could think of parts to improve, but I am somewhat reluctant because I can't overcome a certain level of fuzziness due to the low resolution.

I definitely made up my mind to buy a version of painter IX next year.

I know they say:
"it's not the tool, it's the artist who makes it all happen...",
but first of all I am not saying "I can't be arsed to learn my techniques and figured a new tool could do the labourious stuff for me" and secondly this can only be half the truth as anyone who owns painter would probably not exchange his license for a link to the artweaver download...:curious:

anyway, as you can tell I am a little bit down at the moment, nevermind.
Here's what I did:

http://img478.imageshack.us/img478/1687/cgofdw008final5wz.jpg

Rebeccak

12-16-2005, 12:27 AM

Mr. Mu,

Have you tried Art Rage (http://www.ambientdesign.com/artrage.html)? It's free. I've had friends who have used it and just rave about it. :) Also, do you have / use Photoshop? Just trying to get a handle on what programs you have at your disposal. :)

Why be down? You've come a long way on this piece, and the next piece will be better. One thing to remember is that the point of these Workshops is not to come up with a final, beautiful piece, necessarily ~ though in honesty, there are many elements in your painting which are really starting to come together brilliantly and become beautiful ~ but rather, to practice techniques so that you learn how to SEE. Ultimately, the challenge is to look harder and to more accurately judge and translate what you see. Your next piece and subsequent pieces will be better. Trust me. :)

I agree with Beckie about ArtRage... this free software is very little, but very funny... it's interface is very fast and intuitive... I should be use it for a next pictures... mmmh... -> todo list :scream:

Rebeccak

12-16-2005, 05:30 AM

Good Morning here also, Lemog! :) Hmm, have you seen your Anatomy Thread yet? There is a little present there for you...and I promise, it's not another scary picture! :scream:

Lemog

12-16-2005, 06:02 AM

Good Morning here also, Lemog! :) Hmm, have you seen your Anatomy Thread yet? There is a little present there for you...and I promise, it's not another scary picture! :scream:
hahahaha... again thanks, I haven't answer before on my thread because I was again watching the new picture, and again ask me some questions :scream: I'm not fast this morning you know :D hahahaha...

Mu

12-16-2005, 08:28 AM

hi everyone,

new day, new luck... Thanks so much for all the nice comments on my painting!

I do know artrage. In fact, my gruffy bearlike me which has become my avatar was done with artrage. Its (artrage's not the bear's:scream: ) memory management is really superior to artweaver's as I could use rather High-res there.

However, it is altogether too limited. Alea iacta est.

I might just give artrage a try for the OFDWs, though. And as I can't afford Painter yet, I will have to cope with whatever I have at hand in the meantime, anyway.

Thanks again for cheering me up and all the nice comments!

SpiritDreamer

12-16-2005, 12:09 PM

Mr MU
Really like the way you did the lighting on her face... creates a nice mood,....:thumbsup:
Glenn

As usually... I like... and a very smal detail particulary catch my attention... the hairs of the last one... I don't know why particulary this part... but I love this little detail, cheers :beer:

Rebeccak

12-21-2005, 02:22 PM

Nice work zhuzhu! I'm glad you liked your birthday greeting. :)

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

SpiritDreamer

12-21-2005, 04:17 PM

Zhuzhu... Really... BEAUTIFUL... works....:thumbsup:

Have you tried this technique on silk or satin yet...if not, give it a try...it has a whole
different feel to it on that type of surface...better... does'nt dry as fast, and ink spreads
out differently and in a lot of ways better than it does on paper.
Just thought I would mention it, in case you have not tried it yet...:)
There are some great paintings done on silk, in the Museum OF Fine Arts in Boston, that
are over a thousend years old, from China, so that technique on silk holds up, and does'nt
crack or anything over a long period of time. Some amazeing silk scrolls with dragons comeing
and going thru the clouds, landscapes with people, and animals...ect..Very atomospheric.
Great, and ancient technique you have MASTERED...:thumbsup:
Take Care
Glenn

Vidar3d

12-23-2005, 09:55 PM

Finally got around to coloring this one.

http://www.borderlandgraphics.com/008color.jpg

rende

01-01-2006, 07:00 PM

This was such a cool pose I just had to try :thumbsup:

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c56/rouanvde/fig_001.jpg

Per-Anders

01-03-2006, 05:25 AM

another quickie today, didn't get anything of the pose and model that i wanted to, but it's all good practice.

http://www.peranders.com/general/lifedrawing/lifedrawing006.jpg

Rebeccak

01-03-2006, 06:37 AM

FouLSouL,

Whew! I'm finally back in town (yay, travelling is rough!) and it's great to see your work! :) You've got a great start here, do you plan to continue with this pose? I agree with you, the model is great and the pose quite inspiring...I hope you continue to work on your piece! :)

Per,

Great to see you here, and I quite like the blocky proportions on this one! :) Hope you will have the time at one point to finish an OFDW piece, we're happy to have you!

Cheers, :)

~Rebeccak

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