Perez Hilton and baby pictures - awful

Where did I say anything about narcissism and vanity?
People are demonising women on the thread, not neccessarily you, although you did say "
We have seen many women utterly screw up their children and fail at being a parent"
I said it isn't putting the baby first, allowing anyone who can afford one to get one, needing no emotional involvement whatsoever, just cash. It's my opinion. No need to agree if you don't want to.

Women aren't being demonised on this thread. It's simply being pointed out that giving birth doesn't automatically make someone a good mother and some children who are raised by mothers don't turn into well adjusted adults.

Women aren't being demonised on this thread. It's simply being pointed out that giving birth doesn't automatically make someone a good mother and some children who are raised by mothers don't turn into well adjusted adults.

But it's a moot point, because surrogacy doesn't give them any less chance of having a crap parent.

There are more and more single straight men going for surrogacy these days, and it will become more popular, because they are turned away from adoption agencies.

The children of Rosemary West? A bit of an extreme example but foster care is full of children from abusive mothers. When it works, the relationship between a mother and her child is very special but I don't buy into the BS that only mothers can love their children/know what's best for them etc. Plenty of people aren't raised by their biological mother and they turn out fine.

Totally agree. My grandmother handed my mom over to her mother (my great-grandmother) at birth and said "I don't care what you do with her." So yeah, you can miss me with that "a mother's love reigns supreme" bullshit.