@harold It's a difference of $1 million, $5 million if he plays the entire course of the contract. He's the best CB on the market, he's been the best CB on the market the entire time, if the Jets have to pay $1 million more per season to lock down a #1 CB, you do it. QB, LT, DE, CB, those are the big four, right? A marginal-at-best overpay is acceptable when it's an elite talent at one of those spots. Brown isn't as good as Verner and he's four years older. No thanks.

@a57se@bradysucks@Brendan That's the difference, not the fact that the front offices are different.. This year, the moves aren't mutually exclusive, so we don't have to wait and see if one deal happens to know if we're able to do others. We could have talked to Brad Smith while going after Nnamdi, but if we succeeded in signing one, then we would have to give up on the other.

You obviously don't remember how much time the team spent trying to sign Nnmadi Asoughmai who ended up signing with the Eagles........That wasted time ended up costing the team players like Brad Smith who didn't want to wait around for the Jets.......Free agency happens quickly and teams have to move quickly.....

It is all well and good to say the Jets can give all areas and positions equal priority in free agency but the reality is that this is Idzik's show and he will focus in on his "prime" targets 1st. He will talk to those guys first and attempt to sign those guys......There is a pecking order

@bradysucks Dude, listing the rankings of past teams doesn't mean anything for the sake of this discussion.

You acted like the team can only focus on one major move at a time, which isn't true. They can sign Verner while talking to Sanders and Jones and sign all three on the same day and that wouldn't be the least bit surprising.

They have people running all over the country and talking to all sorts of agents. You can't think of it as "A, then B, then C, then D....." It's A, B, C, D, E and F....then G, H, I, J, K, L."

@a57se All I'm asking is who you'd prefer the Jets sign. I'm not going to debate Verner vs. The Guy 57 Wants. I have zero doubts that Rex can use Verner to the best of his abilities, mainly because under Rex Cro had his best coverage season ever. I don't need to sell you on the idea that Rex can make use of anyone on defense, you should know that by now.

All I asked was who your ideal signing would be at CB, or, if you don't want to sign anyone, who your ideal draftee is.

@a57se I've said a couple times before that I'd be cool with drafting Dennard, so obviously going the rookie route is not something I'm completely against.

But you said Verner isn't the best CB, so I wondered who you think is better.

And if you want to go the "draft a CB" route, is Roby your guy? You would go into this season with Milliner/Walls/Roby (or other rookie)/Wilson/Lankster/6th CB (whoever wins the camp battle)? That seems dicey to me.

@a57se@Bent I think Rex is more than happy to play the same defense if it's working. That's more or less what they did when they simplified things late in the season by getting Reed to play single high.

Verner plays press bail because that's the Titans system. Who knows how he would fare in a more versatile role?

Like I said, Verner would be replacing Cromartie and Rex did fine with Cromartie. It will be interesting to see if they seriously chase him.

@a57se I know you don't think Verner is a good fit because he doesn't (yet) play a lot of press coverage, but haven't we learned by now that nobody is a bad fit in Rex's defense because it's flexible enough that you can play to everyone's strengths?

The Jets signed Cromartie and had a lot of success despite his inability to play press because they had Revis to press on the other side. Verner is a smart guy and I'm sure IF the Jets target him it's because they can play to his strength (and anticipate Milliner developing into a guy they can press with). If they don't then it's probably because of similar reservations to the ones you have (although maybe it's just money).

@a57se Sign Verner and this defense becomes elite. Forget about the right fit or he doesn't press. With our pass rush and DMIll becoming even better it will be awfully hard to pass on us. Throw in some Reed and we're done. Maybe upgrade ILB to make Harold happy.

@harold@greggreen ok calm down buddy lol. Im just saying that when you are bidding for a player on a open market more times then not its the team willing to go the most years or the highest money. Its the price of free agency. Your evaluation of the player doesnt matter, its what the league values. Verner is gonna get around 10mil, its what the market is asking for. other teams are gonna offer him that money and if the jets want him on their team, they need to pay the asking price.

Semantics? I am talking market value. That is it. Did Aaaron Rodgers hit the market? Did Drew Brees? They all got market contracts setting contracts. You are talking a lot but your points are not solid.

@harold Part of my thinking is that other players won't really raise an eyebrow to an All-Pro CB netting $11 million. That's a premier position that elite players get paid a lot to play. Edge rushers, QBs and top-tier skill position guys are really the only ones who make more than CB's, with LT's on the same level.

Really the market said Revis needed 16 million last year, right? You are making little sense right now. There was only one team who would pay him. That is not a market that is a suitor. We don't need to be silly and bid against ourselves because one team is willing to overspend.

Brendan I am with you, one million in a vacuum is not terrible. But in team sports things rarely take place in a vacuum. When you have so many young guys coming behind you open Pandora box. You must be very careful and that is my point.

It is not about the cap it is about precedent. You start over spending and everyone only comes to your team if you over pay them. I am not a cheap guy, I just view things long term and cap space tomorrow can easily be taken by a few bad contracts.

@harold I'm saying you overpay. The team probably doesn't see paying a 25 year old All-Pro at one of the most important positions on an NFL roster a top contract to be "overpaying." $16 million is overpaying for an elite CB. $11 million isn't.

Then you overpay 1.5 million for Mo because he is a homegrown All Pro and then 2 million because Sheldon is a future Hall of Famer etc.. You dont overpay for guys just because, if we feel the need to sweeten the deal give more upfront, don't overpay imo.