Very nice. Guess I should have given the 5300 series a shot. My mom almost ended up with one but she's fine with her cheap Sharp LED so I'll let her keep it. She always says how much better my TV looks (even when she had an older plasma). I told her that's because I have it setup better and I don't have every light on or every curtain open.

No offense but average consumers are the reason Plasma died and the reason we are stuck with LEDS.

That was kind of my entire point. I wasn't saying that the F8500 is better because of that, just the contrary. When I had a Samsung LED I got a ton if compliments. It was no where near what the F8500 is and was even further away from the Panasonic VT60. The Panasonic was the best looking TV I have ever owned but no one really acknowledged it like the inferior TVs I have and had in my home.

The average consumer cannot appreciate the magic of the VT60, hence the death of the plasma. That was more on what I was trying to say. It was perfection but seems like people don't want or appreciate perfection in their TV. They don't understand it.

That was kind of my entire point. I wasn't saying that the F8500 is better because of that, just the contrary. When I had a Samsung LED I got a ton if compliments. It was no where near what the F8500 is and was even further away from the Panasonic VT60. The Panasonic was the best looking TV I have ever owned but no one really acknowledged it like the inferior TVs I have and had in my home.

The average consumer cannot appreciate the magic of the VT60, hence the death of the plasma. That was more on what I was trying to say. It was perfection but seems like people don't want or appreciate perfection in their TV. They don't understand it.

My girlfriend and I always talk about how crappy her sister and brother-in-law's Samsung LED looks - it's got to be in some sort of Vivid or Dynamic mode along with the soap opera effect turned on - looks so awful, but they seem to like it. lol

My girlfriend and I always talk about how crappy her sister and brother-in-law's Samsung LED looks - it's got to be in some sort of Vivid or Dynamic mode along with the soap opera effect turned on - looks so awful, but they seem to like it. lol

^Hysterical^

You should change the settings without them knowing ..then watch their faces
the when they turn it on.