Tical21 wrote:Love Maxwell, but old guys with their best ball behind them aren't guys you re-sign during a youth movement.

Every good team needs a mix of veterans and young upstarts. New England is consistently the oldest team in the league; they have found that cheap veterans (a la Byron Maxwell) are usually more physically developed and better prepared than the typical rookie.

We somewhat need Maxwell back, but it will depend on cost. I don't see them throwing more than 3-4M at him tops. Going young there and saving the $$ to next years cap may well play into these decisions. I think they are going hard at 2019 personally, and cap rollover $$ is a part of that working.

Maxwell is a little bit of a "low miles" player because his first year he only played 9 games mostly on special teams, and he also played only 9 in his second year.

But more importantly, he works in our defensive scheme. He didn't work in Philadelphia, or Miami, but he was good here before he left, and good when he came back. I think he's currently better than Coleman, and considering we just lightened our CB budget by a fair bit, we should be able to afford him.

He does tend to let the receiver catch the ball, but is a sure tackler and quite adept at forcing fumbles. He has 11 forced fumbles to match the 11 INTs in his career. Has decent size and speed. He has had some ankle and hamstring issues in the past couple years, but I'd certainly give him a 1-2 year deal until we find a sure replacement.

Maxwell was is always in the right place to win the tip drill causing turnovers. He looked like his old self last year. I hope he stays. We have Coleman, Maxwell, Thomas and Shaq Griffin. The cupboard is not bare.

KiwiHawk wrote:Maxwell is a little bit of a "low miles" player because his first year he only played 9 games mostly on special teams, and he also played only 9 in his second year.

But more importantly, he works in our defensive scheme. He didn't work in Philadelphia, or Miami, but he was good here before he left, and good when he came back. I think he's currently better than Coleman, and considering we just lightened our CB budget by a fair bit, we should be able to afford him.

He does tend to let the receiver catch the ball, but is a sure tackler and quite adept at forcing fumbles. He has 11 forced fumbles to match the 11 INTs in his career. Has decent size and speed. He has had some ankle and hamstring issues in the past couple years, but I'd certainly give him a 1-2 year deal until we find a sure replacement.

KiwiHawk wrote:Maxwell is a little bit of a "low miles" player because his first year he only played 9 games mostly on special teams, and he also played only 9 in his second year.

But more importantly, he works in our defensive scheme. He didn't work in Philadelphia, or Miami, but he was good here before he left, and good when he came back. I think he's currently better than Coleman, and considering we just lightened our CB budget by a fair bit, we should be able to afford him.

He does tend to let the receiver catch the ball, but is a sure tackler and quite adept at forcing fumbles. He has 11 forced fumbles to match the 11 INTs in his career. Has decent size and speed. He has had some ankle and hamstring issues in the past couple years, but I'd certainly give him a 1-2 year deal until we find a sure replacement.

You're assuming our defensive scheme will remain the same.

Brave soul.

of course it will stay the same. It will be the same scheme as long at Pete is the coach.

Hope we can keep Byron on a good deal. Not worth Eagles or Dolphins money though. I always really liked the way he played in our system. I love they way he punches the ball. Damn he is 30? 2011 was a long time ago I guess.

KiwiHawk wrote:Maxwell is a little bit of a "low miles" player because his first year he only played 9 games mostly on special teams, and he also played only 9 in his second year.

But more importantly, he works in our defensive scheme. He didn't work in Philadelphia, or Miami, but he was good here before he left, and good when he came back. I think he's currently better than Coleman, and considering we just lightened our CB budget by a fair bit, we should be able to afford him.

He does tend to let the receiver catch the ball, but is a sure tackler and quite adept at forcing fumbles. He has 11 forced fumbles to match the 11 INTs in his career. Has decent size and speed. He has had some ankle and hamstring issues in the past couple years, but I'd certainly give him a 1-2 year deal until we find a sure replacement.

Was watching a program on basketball the other day. Manning was green to his team and never even practiced with the team before he played for them. He asked one of the players what he needed to do and was told what had to happen. He did EXACTLY what he was told and failed miserably. After the play sequence, he approached the player and the player told him that he was trying to make the team too.

Coaching can come in many ways...and some of the players are bloodthirsty for the money.

Having Maxwell on the team for consistency may help. But coaching will ultimately come from the coaches. These players want to stay on the field as long as they can to get the incentive moneys.

If the team changes schemes, then Maxie will end up gone anyway.

By the way...I saw the basketball interview on WatchStadium dot com. Over the air tv boise channel 35.4.

Teams prioritize signings............McDougall was first, then Coleman was given a 2nd round tender yesterday, and I assume Jordan will also be given his tender today or tomorrow...........then John will start working on FA's once the window hits, and I assume Maxwell will be given a nice one year deal to stay.

Maxwell actually allowed a lot of yards last year. The graph is for "yards after the catch". It's low because Maxwell either was burned for a TD (no yards after the catch) or because he tackled a guy right after he caught it (low yards after the catch). The graph is very misleading and not really an indicator of good play.

Here's an example: In the Jaguars game he was targeted 9 times. He allowed 8 catches for 115 yards and a TD.

I hope he comes back, as he's a system guy who fits here. But I don't think he played as well as some as you think he did.

I hope he comes back, as he's a system guy who fits here. But I don't think he played as well as some as you think he did.

I agree, and while I wouldn't mind him back next year, I'd not want him to be a starting corner. You want to give him 1-2M a year for some depth so he can spell the starters or if there's an injury? I'm fine with that, but any sort of starting CB contract and I'm out.

HawkFan72 wrote:Here's an example: In the Jaguars game he was targeted 9 times. He allowed 8 catches for 115 yards and a TD.

Did you watch those plays? A couple of those were just uncoverable perfection-throws from Bortles having a Pro Bowl game. It happens sometimes. Lots of easy crossing routes in that game, too, Jax had a good gameplan and Maxwell got blamed for them. The TD looked like a coverage mixup involving Maxwell and Terence Garvin, so that was bad, but he also had a good defense near the end that could have changed the outcome if he made it a pick.

I dunno. Maxwell's all right. And his familiarity with the system does count for something. Again, it's one of those situations where our lack of draft collateral makes you go, "Who ELSE are we going to run with?"

His game last season seemed to be to play 'off' then try to make a play on the ball or at least make a quick tackle. The only reason to bring in a guy like him is because of injuries (last year) or near complete failure to draft depth at CB.

I think you have to consider Richard was having them play off and a lot more deeper zones a lot, not exactly Maxwells strength, could also be a reason he is gone BTW, were a press coverage defense at our best.

I think the fact that he struggled when he was in Miami and philly does us good when it come to signing him simply because other teams might look at that and figure this is the only system he’s good in

I think that's about right, Coleman got just under $3MM. I think with Maxwell's history and starting ability in our scheme you need to be just above the $3MM mark with some incentives tied to it that bring it up closer to $4MM.

I think that's about right, Coleman got just under $3MM. I think with Maxwell's history and starting ability in our scheme you need to be just above the $3MM mark with some incentives tied to it that bring it up closer to $4MM.

I'm not much of a cap guy, though.

I think you are correct. Not a cap guy here either....just a cat guy. Meow...

I think that's about right, Coleman got just under $3MM. I think with Maxwell's history and starting ability in our scheme you need to be just above the $3MM mark with some incentives tied to it that bring it up closer to $4MM.

I'm not much of a cap guy, though.

I think you are correct. Not a cap guy here either....just a cat guy. Meow...