Kezia Dugdale says she respects Corbyn. But, if Labour wants to win in Scotland, it is not just about being more leftwing. First, the SNP are not actually leftwing anyway. And, second, this argument ignores the referendum.

She says she needs to close down the debate in Scotland around the constitution, and get it onto the record of the SNP. If you ask people about schools and hospitals, only one person in three thinks they have done a good job.

Caroline Flint says it is not just the eight people in Mattinson’s focus groups who have reservations about Corbyn. She says it is important to realise that there is a difference between metropolitan opinion, and opinion in places outside London, such as coastal towns.

Tulip Siddiq says she nominated Corbyn so he could get onto the ballot paper, even though she did not support him. But she has had a lot of feedback from people who liked the way he did PMQs. David Cameron kept going on about the economy; he sounded like a conventional politician.

Mattinson says the economy is a key issue for people.

She also says being seen as authentic is positive. But on its own it is not enough, she says.

Diane Abbott goes next. She says she respects Mattinson, but there were only eight people in each focus group. She says she is the only person on the panel who supported Corbyn. It is not surprising that people have doubts about him; he has had an extraordinarily negative press. But as people see him they will get to like him, she says. She says his Marr interview was excellent.

She also says she thinks it is a mistake to just follow public opinion. She has been campaigning on race equality for years, she says. In the 1970s if people had just accepted public opinion on race, there would have been no progress, she says.

Mattinson says people do not know much about Corbyn. They are not even sure what it means when it is said he is leftwing. And they had heard he supports the IRA; they don’t like that, she says.

She says they liked the new way he did PMQs. But they thought Corbyn looked a bit scruffy. And a bit old-fashioned. One person said he looked as though he did not own an iPad. That was not intended as a compliment.

(Caroline Flint wonders whether the woman actually said he did not own an iron.)

The focus group members also thought David Cameron looked managerial at PMQs.

Mattinson says people do wonder whether Corbyn could represent Britain. They have also heard that he did not sign the national anthem.

She says this poses a problem for Corbyn, If he tries to change his image, he risks losing his reputation for authenticity.

She says people want leaders who are authentic. But they want people who can authentically represent their views, and they wonder whether Corbyn does.

She also says that loss of trust in Labour on the economy was the key factor in explaining why Labour lost the election.

Deborah Mattinson is now presenting some research based on focus group studies looking at the reasons for why Labour lost.

She says her team started by asking about people’s top concerns. They were: the economy (people accept there has been a recovery, but they worry about it); immigration (the refugee crisis has made people more sympathetic to refugees, but, overall, it is still a big concern); and the state of politics (one woman suggested there should be a law against political lying).

Mattinson says they then asked about Jeremy Corbyn. He strikes a chord, even with Ukip voters. People see him as honest and idealistic. He represents hope, and a different way of doing politics.

Michael Meacher, a Labour MP who supports Corbyn, has suggested that Lord Mandelson should be expelled from Labour. (See 2.53pm.)

Later, at 6.30pm, I will be covering the Guardian fringe at the conference. The speakers include Kezia Dugdale, the leader of the Scottish Labour party, Diane Abbott, theshadow secretary of state for international development, Keir Starmer, the former director of public prosecutions and newly-elected Labour MP, Deborah Mattinson, the pollster, Tulip Siddiq, the Labour MP andCaroline Flint the former minister and shadow energy secretary until Corbyn’s election as leader. They will be debating how Labour can win back power.