Post by friend on Jun 29, 2018 3:53:44 GMT -5

Interesting that the historical account of Haman tryingto destroy the Hebrews , was acknowledged bythe Nazi war criminal during the trials in which the “10 sons of Haman were rehung” ? ? , this wasConfessed by the Nazi as he was about to be hungfor his part in an immoral ideology

Post by friend on Jun 29, 2018 4:04:27 GMT -5

It’s a demonstration of the “relevancy “Of Old Testament morality that has survivedIn and through the people that God chose tohelp, and historical accounts are needed tohelp us understand things we didn’t have theneed to be trying to change. Ok , why persecute people for letting God help them win wars?It won’t do you “good “

Post by Roselyn T on Jun 29, 2018 4:38:23 GMT -5

It’s a demonstration of the “relevancy “Of Old Testament morality that has survivedIn and through the people that God chose tohelp, and historical accounts are needed tohelp us understand things we didn’t have theneed to be trying to change. Ok , why persecute people for letting God help them win wars?It won’t do you “good “

"friend" I don't believe the bible is anything other than a history book full of fairy tales. As for morals it sure has a lot of things that are immoral in it ! So once again we don't need religion or the bible to have morals !

Post by friend on Jun 29, 2018 4:55:38 GMT -5

It’s a demonstration of the “relevancy “Of Old Testament morality that has survivedIn and through the people that God chose tohelp, and historical accounts are needed tohelp us understand things we didn’t have theneed to be trying to change. Ok , why persecute people for letting God help them win wars?It won’t do you “good “

"friend" I don't believe the bible is anything other than a history book full of fairy tales. As for morals it sure has a lot of things that are immoral in it ! So once again we don't need religion or the bible to have morals !

If only Hitler understood the relavancy of Purim.

He could have averted a repeat of Hebrew history (no fairy’s tale involved)

And yet you put “faith” in the amalakites history? Strange priorities 😉

Post by snow on Jun 29, 2018 11:28:26 GMT -5

If that is your “theory” , please explain why God gave the 10 commandments to the Hebrew people at Mt Sinai ?

must of seen a need for a rulebook

why not answer the questions like a good girl would ?!

Thanks! ✌️

Knowing how lacking in morality the Hebrew people were, they likely did need a rule book. The Golden Rule has been around for a very long time. You do realize that a lot of the OT comes from an earlier civilizations stories don't you? When the Hebrews were in exile in Babylon they wrote a lot of what we now find in the OT and it resembles older stories like the Epic of Gilgamesh. Their creation story, their flood story are just a few of the examples of what they took from other civilizations and made it part of their 'story'.

In the end there will only be three things that matter. How much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of the things not meant for you. The BuddhaMorality comes not from a book, or a guy up in the sky, but from the idea that how you treat people matters, because how people feel matters. Unknown.

Post by snow on Jun 29, 2018 11:31:08 GMT -5

If the bible is the only reason that you treat others with equality, with kindness, -as you would want to be treated; -then there must be something missing in you.

neither did you come up with "your morals"...

I'm not so sure about that. The Golden rule has been around a lot longer than the Bible or the OT for that matter. And, if you follow the OT you are going to be lacking in good moral thinking imo. Humans have developed all the morals we see through trial and error. They have had about a million years to come up with what makes for a stronger community and works best to survive.

In the end there will only be three things that matter. How much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of the things not meant for you. The BuddhaMorality comes not from a book, or a guy up in the sky, but from the idea that how you treat people matters, because how people feel matters. Unknown.

Post by snow on Jun 29, 2018 11:33:06 GMT -5

So are you saying it is morally right for God to kill women and children wally ?

God is the law giver

Why don’t kids give spankings to their parents ?

Because they are smaller and less powerful. I'm sure if they could they'd be spanking their parents from time to time too, and with good reason most of the time. Just because someone may have more power, doesn't make them right or moral.

In the end there will only be three things that matter. How much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of the things not meant for you. The BuddhaMorality comes not from a book, or a guy up in the sky, but from the idea that how you treat people matters, because how people feel matters. Unknown.

Post by snow on Jun 29, 2018 11:34:30 GMT -5

So are you saying it is morally right for God to kill women and children wally ?

God did right concerning the amelakites they got what they deserved...

That makes me feel sick inside. When has it ever been right to kill everything that walks. Babies, animals, everything that wasn't a virgin girl. It's wrong no matter who does it.

In the end there will only be three things that matter. How much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of the things not meant for you. The BuddhaMorality comes not from a book, or a guy up in the sky, but from the idea that how you treat people matters, because how people feel matters. Unknown.

Post by snow on Jun 29, 2018 11:37:16 GMT -5

I would say this is a classic example dmmichgood ! Seems wally knows who deserves to be killed !

It’s classic “axis of evil” , wars fought for land rights

In this case God helps His people, if you lived in thattime, would you fight God , too? You won’t win, evenif you think He shouldn’t take sides, that’s the whole pointyou don’t think He took sides, do you?

If there is a God of everything, then we are all his people. Not just some obscure tribe in the Middle East. That's what's so wrong with religion. Everyone wants to be 'special' in the eyes of some being no one even has evidence exists in the first place.

In the end there will only be three things that matter. How much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of the things not meant for you. The BuddhaMorality comes not from a book, or a guy up in the sky, but from the idea that how you treat people matters, because how people feel matters. Unknown.

Post by snow on Jun 29, 2018 11:38:46 GMT -5

"friend" I don't believe the bible is anything other than a history book full of fairy tales. As for morals it sure has a lot of things that are immoral in it ! So once again we don't need religion or the bible to have morals !

If only Hitler understood the relavancy of Purim.

He could have averted a repeat of Hebrew history (no fairy’s tale involved)

And yet you put “faith” in the amalakites history? Strange priorities 😉

The Amalakites were no different than the Hebrews. They just had land the Hebrews wanted. End of story.

In the end there will only be three things that matter. How much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of the things not meant for you. The BuddhaMorality comes not from a book, or a guy up in the sky, but from the idea that how you treat people matters, because how people feel matters. Unknown.

Post by friend on Jun 29, 2018 12:37:11 GMT -5

not so fast, the Hebrew (and specifically the descendants of Jacob (aka : Israel) were hated and despised by the amalakites

Purim is a historical holiday that Hebrew celebrate their deliverance from Haman and amalakites by Queen Esther and Mordecai .

They were in captivity at the time and were threatened with being annihilated, and Haman thought he could,But devine intervention saved the Hebrew, and theyCelebrate the Purim every year about the first week in March.

Interesting history.

It isn’t a fable , do you have any questions aboutNazi hanging of people that also wanted to killHebrews ? It is historically recorded that some that were hung were aware that their hanging wasdue to the guilt of the amalakites over 2500 years ago, and for the same crimes against the children of Jacob.

Post by friend on Jun 29, 2018 13:09:44 GMT -5

In this case God helps His people, if you lived in thattime, would you fight God , too? You won’t win, evenif you think He shouldn’t take sides, that’s the whole pointyou don’t think He took sides, do you?

If there is a God of everything, then we are all his people. Not just some obscure tribe in the Middle East. That's what's so wrong with religion. Everyone wants to be 'special' in the eyes of some being no one even has evidence exists in the first place.

also, it seems that Samson made a big mistake inwanting his parents to allow him to marry a heathen(Delilah?). talk about getting into a hateful relationship,poor Samson, he thought he could trust her with hissecrets, but alas, she had worse plans for her husband😢. ( in other words, poor Samson was the victim)

Post by snow on Jun 29, 2018 13:58:20 GMT -5

the Hebrew people had very kind regulations about how they were to treat the “strangers” that lived in their land of occupancy

They were centuries more civilized in these issues, andshould be rightly recognized in what they practiced,Not criticisized because they trust in t their Creator.

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Yes, and the outcome with the Amelikites is a good example of just how loving they were to their neighbors that had land they wanted.

In the end there will only be three things that matter. How much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of the things not meant for you. The BuddhaMorality comes not from a book, or a guy up in the sky, but from the idea that how you treat people matters, because how people feel matters. Unknown.

Post by friend on Jun 29, 2018 14:10:06 GMT -5

so then we can confess that we were created ( becausewe have a consciousness that proclaims that we exist. ( logic)

the Hebrew Bible teaches : we are created in Our creators image.

God said that “ it is good”. We agree, because we also understand the value of the consciousness that we were created to occupy.

It is vain to argue that our consciousness is not good,

Unless you would prefer to be “unconscious”, and thatIs a paradox, because every human is designed to depend onthings to sustain life, and we all are very determined tosurvive in spite the contrarians. Hmmmm

Well isn’t consciousness a wonderful existence , without it we would surely not exist to consider our alternative. 😉

Post by dmmichgood on Jun 29, 2018 16:12:16 GMT -5

In this case God helps His people, if you lived in that time, would you fight God , too? You won’t win, even if you think He shouldn’t take sides, that’s the whole pointyou don’t think He took sides, do you?

Of course HE (god) didn't take sides!

Because "GOD" didn't exist!

Don't you realize by now that is the only way that it could have happened?

If there actually was a "god" involved, -then there is absolutely NO way anyone can twist that event into anything even close to being a moral stance to take!

Killing all the children & women, except virgins?

Come on! You can keep on trying 'til doomsday to get that to make any moral sense, -but it simply does not wash!

In order for anyone to say that would be morally acceptable only indicates their own lack of morality!

Post by friend on Jun 29, 2018 16:19:51 GMT -5

In this case God helps His people, if you lived in thattime, would you fight God , too? You won’t win, evenif you think He shouldn’t take sides, that’s the whole pointyou don’t think He took sides, do you?

In this case God helps His people, if you lived in that time, would you fight God , too? You won’t win, even if you think He shouldn’t take sides, that’s the whole pointyou don’t think He took sides, do you?

Of course HE (god) didn't take sides!

Because "GOD" didn't exist!

Don't you realize by now that is the only way that it could have happened?

If there actually was a "god" involved, -then there is absolutely NO way anyone can twist that event into anything even close to being a moral stance to take!

Killing all the children & women, except virgins?

Come on! You can keep on trying to get that to make any moral sense, -but it simply does not wash!

I’m not into conjugated fake history about Gods chosen Hebrew, sorry,the Purim and the holocaust are only too real and trajic to deny.

Post by snow on Jun 29, 2018 17:12:37 GMT -5

Yes, and the outcome with the Amelikites is a good example of just how loving they were to their neighbors that had land they wanted.

You defend the sins of the amalakites ‘?

maybe Samson understands what your defense leads to?

You are defending the Hebrews for what they did. You try to justify genocide because your god ordered it. But there is no justification for their actions even though they would like to say their God ordered it. Why would you worship a god that thinks genocide is justified?

In the end there will only be three things that matter. How much you loved, how gently you lived, and how gracefully you let go of the things not meant for you. The BuddhaMorality comes not from a book, or a guy up in the sky, but from the idea that how you treat people matters, because how people feel matters. Unknown.

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