Anja: Oh, yeah. So the gifts, how are they? Are they really expensive or...?

Fred: Good question. Well, I don't know. It depends on who you're giving the gift to, and it also depends on, you know, how many gifts you have to buy.

Anja: Oh, so, who exactly are you buying gifts for? Only the really.... people that are really close to you?

Fred: Well, yes, I would say that in my case I have a large family.

Anja: How many are you?

Fred: We are six siblings: six brothers and sisters and plus my parents and both my grandparents are still alive, and aunts and cousins and so a very big family, and so what we do is we exchange gifts. So we buy a small gift, 45 dollars, and then we play a small game where we exchange that gift amongst each other, so we don't have to buy gifts to everybody.

Anja: Oh, that's quite nice, so it won't get too expensive, right?

Fred: It won't but, personally, I like to buy gifts for my mother or my father and especially my grandmother and grandfather. It's very important, and so I enjoy doing the shopping for it.