Why Russians can never avenge ‘Miracle on Ice’ - Brooks NY Post

This one won’t be given a stunningly singular place on the international geopolitical stage like the one in 1980 in New York State.

This one merely provides the platform for one-time Devils teammates and linchpins Zach Parise and Ilya Kovalchuk to appear on the same sheet of ice for the first time since Game 6 of the 2012 Stanley Cup Final in Los Angeles, before each fled New Jersey to go home again; Captain America Parise to Minnesota and Russian winger Kovalchuk to the KHL.

"Quite frankly, all the players are getting paid too much and all the contracts are too long," general manager Lou Lamoriello said. "But if you want to compete in this market and you want to win, there are some things you have to do."

Once again brooks is writing for writings sake- what does Russia need to avenge? Since 1980 they've won 3 golds, a silver and a bronze. The US in that same time only has two silvers... Am I missing something here?

I think the pressure is on the Russian team simply because they're the host, but I don't really think any Russians are thinking about 1980 at all.

Their top 6 is the definition of world class fowards, Radulov(ehh)-Datsyuk-Kovalchuk, Ovie-Malkin-Semin. Besides that core, they also have Kulemin, Tikhonov, Tarasenko, and Nichuskin to jump up into the top 6.

Shouldn't the Finnish be wanting vengeance since they lost the Gold Medal game?

The game against Finland itself wasn't the "gold medal game". While it was the clinching game for the US, I do believe it was still possible for the US to win gold even if they had lost. It was also possible for them to end up with no medal had they lost.

The game against Finland itself wasn't the "gold medal game". While it was the clinching game for the US, I do believe it was still possible for the US to win gold even if they had lost. It was also possible for them to end up with no medal had they lost.

This is correct, although no one ever mentions this. The tournament format called for pool play in the medal round, not single elimination. In the medal rounds The top two teams in each group played each of the top two teams in the other group. Points from opening round groupings carried over. Soviet game was not a semifinal and the Finland game was not a final. In fact, Finland didn't even medal. The soviets got silver and Sweden bronze

This is correct, although no one ever mentions this. The tournament format called for pool play in the medal round, not single elimination. In the medal rounds The top two teams in each group played each of the top two teams in the other group. Points from opening round groupings carried over. Soviet game was not a semifinal and the Finland game was not a final. In fact, Finland didn't even medal. The soviets got silver and Sweden bronze

It is funny...if asked, I think a lot of people would tell you that the US beat the USSR to take the gold, while some others would tell you that the US beat Finland to take the gold (thinking that the US-Finland game was the gold medal game). The tournament format used in the '80 Olympics is a little complicated if one isn't familiar with it, but it does make some sense (though that part of the story...how exactly the US earned their goal medals...has been largely forgotten or overlooked by many).

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It is funny...if asked, I think a lot of people would tell you that the US beat the USSR to take the gold, while some others would tell you that the US beat Finland to take the gold (thinking that the US-Finland game was the gold medal game). The tournament format used in the '80 Olympics is a little complicated if one isn't familiar with it, but it does make some sense (though that part of the story...how exactly the US earned their goal medals...has been largely forgotten or overlooked by many).

while this is true, isn't it also true that the US had to win both games in order to win gold... I know it wasn't necessarily a gold medal game, but going into the soviet game we knew we had to win the next two to take gold. Otherwise I think the soviets still could have won if the US lost to Finland.

Nah, Neverson will come out of retirement to write that one, then promptly re-retire.

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THE NHL MUST LOVE THE DEVILS - from who else? A RANGER fan![Mark Messier]: A big, bald attention whore with a stupid Easter Island-lookin face. - from who else? DaneykoIsGod!

Even when Marty comes back maybe Larry should put Clemmensen to be on the goal during the shootouts.Can the coach do that ? Switch the goalies 5 seconds to go in overtime? - Most priceless quote ever posted on a message board.

Martin Brodeur: THE MOST ALL-TIME WINS!, 12 straight seasons of 30+ wins, 3 Stanley Cups, 4 Vezina Trophies, and zero respect from too many so-called Devils "fans" who are either too young or too bandwagon to remember the much darker days of Sean Burke, Craig Billington, Bob Sauve, Alain Chevrier, and the talented but overwhelmed Chico Resch, among many others.

It's easy to support a great player when he's playing at his very best. It takes a true fan to support that same player during those rare moments and stretches when he's not. Babe Ruth went 0-4 some games, and sometimes Wayne Gretzky was held pointless. There may be such a thing as greatness, but no such thing as absolute perfection every single night.

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To be honest, the past week I've felt the way an honest Rangers fan must feel with the constant harping over the 1994 Stanley Cup. The way the nationwide media are framing this team (and the USA-Russia matchup) in constant reference to the "Miracle" team just reminds me (an honest-to-myself hockey fan) that our American Olympic teams haven't really accomplished all that much in a really really long time.

A couple silvers since then is nothing to write home about. We have a very mediocre history on the world stage when you really step back and look at it. Constantly referencing 1980 just reminds me that this year is gold or bust, I don't think they should be aiming for anything less, considering all the hype we give our national team.

Once again brooks is writing for writings sake- what does Russia need to avenge? Since 1980 they've won 3 golds, a silver and a bronze. The US in that same time only has two silvers... Am I missing something here?

To be honest, the past week I've felt the way an honest Rangers fan must feel with the constant harping over the 1994 Stanley Cup. The way the nationwide media are framing this team (and the USA-Russia matchup) in constant reference to the "Miracle" team just reminds me (an honest-to-myself hockey fan) that our American Olympic teams haven't really accomplished all that much in a really really long time.

A couple silvers since then is nothing to write home about. We have a very mediocre history on the world stage when you really step back and look at it. Constantly referencing 1980 just reminds me that this year is gold or bust, I don't think they should be aiming for anything less, considering all the hype we give our national team.

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Stated perfectly. The press needs a narrative. Its even worse now that you have people who couldn't tell you what offsides is, trying to add to the narrative.

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