Sadly stats show the wrong message on some players. Franchise is one of the best PG's in the 1-3 quarters. But i dunno if its fatigue or he cant take forth quarter pressure, but he can play. Now his numbers are fine, but what matters most in a close game is a point guard that can step up in the forth. Franchise is the exact opposite.

And as for starbury, he still is an above average player, i just dont see him as one of the best. Now Remember this quote.... The Greatest PG's are the ones that make their teammates better... sounds corny but soo true. Nash and Kidd are two examples how they do spectacular passes u cant even imagine being possible. Kidd made K-mart look like a good BBall player.

As for u Newman... AI doesnt necesarely make his team better, but he's the only player that puts more effort when the games in progress then any other player. How is the scoring champ for the last 5 years overrrated. He's barely 6 feet in a sport based on height. Plus his defense is one of the best in the league for his position. He's been a first team all devensive team. Led the league in steals......the lists go on and on.

ajcardenas123 wrote:As for u Newman... AI doesnt necesarely make his team better, but he's the only player that puts more effort when the games in progress then any other player. How is the scoring champ for the last 5 years overrrated. He's barely 6 feet in a sport based on height. Plus his defense is one of the best in the league for his position. He's been a first team all devensive team. Led the league in steals......the lists go on and on.

damn it! aj i just wrote u three paragraphs long response to your comments and my computer froze so i will just give u the jist.

#iverson's height and effort has nothing to do with what his effectiveness is on the court.(he is what he is, a undersized inefficient, selfish, undeciplined, hussle player who has good skills & superiors quickness and toughness.)
#HIS SHOOTING PICT IS HORRIBLE FOR SOMEONE WHO makes so few threes
#if u have someone who can handle the ball u can post up iverson
#i would never trade a 26 year old michael finley for a 26 year old iverson.

Baron Davis will only have a chance of being seen as the best point guard in the nba if Warriors begin to have success. His nimber are very good and his skill level is also.

Marbury and Francis are skilled but their teams have never been that good and that will always lead to them being seen as good players but not great point guards! Exactly who have these two made better on their teams???? If anything they take away from other players to look higher level statistically!!!!

As far as Iverson goes - He has never won any championships but look at the teams he's had - THEY HAVE ALL BEEN CRAP!!!!!!!!!!!!
Iverson is one of the greatest players ever for continually doing what he has done, the big numbers and the effort!!!!

Iverson is a great player, but not a good pg.
Baron has a shot of being in the top of the pgs this year. Especially with Kidd getting older, Nash losing running mates, Steph losing playing time under Larry brown's handcuffs, Arenas can't play D like Baron but they are close offensively, Franchise is overated and has no one to pass to in Orlando. Jason Williams may have an all star year with whop he can pass the rock to with the Heat helping his numbers.
But lets remember guys who may not have the numbers of these guys but run their club well - Billups, Tony Parker, Tinsley, Bibby

ajcardenas123 wrote:As for u Newman... AI doesnt necesarely make his team better, but he's the only player that puts more effort when the games in progress then any other player. How is the scoring champ for the last 5 years overrrated. He's barely 6 feet in a sport based on height. Plus his defense is one of the best in the league for his position. He's been a first team all devensive team. Led the league in steals......the lists go on and on.

damn it! aj i just wrote u three paragraphs long response to your comments and my computer froze so i will just give u the jist.

#iverson's height and effort has nothing to do with what his effectiveness is on the court.(he is what he is, a undersized inefficient, selfish, undeciplined, hussle player who has good skills & superiors quickness and toughness.)#HIS SHOOTING PICT IS HORRIBLE FOR SOMEONE WHO makes so few threes#if u have someone who can handle the ball u can post up iverson#i would never trade a 26 year old michael finley for a 26 year old iverson.

I wouldnt want u as a GM. AI has never had support and even led a team to the championship. Finely has had more and really does nothing. Wow, i thought we were talking about PG's and then u bring finley up.

no one knows how huge this upcoming year is for baron than himself. he knows if he leads this team who hasnt won sh*t for 11 yrs into the playoffs he will get his respect. he was known in new oleans but he's going to rise to fame in golden st. if he stays healthy.

"Losing is inevitably close to winning," Guber said. "They're inches apart. Drama. If you have drama, you've got a ticket to sell." "They're not real fans," Lacob said. "They don't have season tickets."

Hard to find a player that has gone through as much frustration and stil keeps turning up every season to be one of the best than Allen Iverson!!!!!!

This guy has played through bad injuries, has been unpopular to even his teams's fans and has a GM that has no idea how to put talent around him to finally give him a sot at a championship - If I was Iverson, I would demand to get traded to a tram that has a chance now at a championship or to a team that has a smart GM who will make a great team within a year or two - Sort of like Mullin, Nelson and Popovich kind!

pawnograffiti wrote:Trade him to the same team as KG. then they can both bitch about there lack of getting passed hurdles in the post season together

Iverson and KG together...................
They would be talking about all the championships they won the last few years of their careers when they played for the same team and finally had another star along side them