how much of a difference does the pa actually make? what other vapes, in terms of vapor production, would you compare it to?

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I can't compare it to other vapes but I will say you're still using an MFLB, so you control the vapor production in the same method. With draw rate and temperature. What is most notable IMO about the PA is that you can set the temperature at your preference. I prefer a lower temp than a full charged battery will give, I can achieve this with the PA, same vice versa.

Careful. Best go read it again? As I read it he got a replacement box (for an old standart 'no latch' box).

He said "I might treat myself to a walnut collection of MF products" which I took to mean he's considering getting one???

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Aha! I see what you mean now. I didn't realize that Magic-Flight started making the Finishing Grinder and WPA in walnut as well! I was under the impression that only the Boxes were being made with exotic woods. There's my confusion

how much of a difference does the pa actually make? what other vapes, in terms of vapor production, would you compare it to?

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Well, the fact that you can control the power going to it certainly helps. Vapor production from the LB depends on a good grind consistency, proper moisture levels of the material, serviceable draw technique, and a steady source of power. The first is easy, grind it as fine as you can. The second as well, I find that dry material vaporizes better than moist/"just off the nug" stuff. Less water to vaporize = more goodies in the vapor = more fun with less. Technique is personal so I won't expand much on it other than "if you're getting good vapor and making it progress in color from green to dark brown and not blackening/charring your stuff, you're probably doing it right." Which brings us to the last one. Power. This tends to be the limiting factor after you really understand how to use the box. That's not to say that I don't like the batteries or that there's something wrong with using them, because they're great. It's just, they don't allow you the ability to experiment more with your box and your strain on hand. I can pop in the power adapter and key the power really low, so low that barely any visible vapor is created. Inhale slowly, get a feel for what the strain tastes like. Lung-full of the terpenes/flavinoids of the goods. Turn it up so high that it would char in about 3 seconds if I didn't inhale. I like it because when I get sativas, I can set the power to around 35-40% and get a good selection of THC, and when I get indicas I'll go higher to get those CBD's out of it. It's a bit harder to do that as precisely with batteries. You can inhale faster to drop the temperature, but that's not going to be as accurate as having the power source topping out at that specific range.

The other good thing going for it is the fact that it has its own lifetime warranty, same as the box. For $65 after taxes and shipping, I'd totally buy it again if I lost it. Don't forget about the batteries, though! I relied on my PA for so long that I neglected my batteries for a while... until the power went out one night! I thought "shit the power's out and i can't use my OH MAN WHERE ARE THE BATTERIES?!" And sure enough, they were plugged into the charger on the wall. One battery was enough for the rest of the night as the power came back on two hours later.

Aha! I see what you mean now. I didn't realize that Magic-Flight started making the Finishing Grinder and WPA in walnut as well! I was under the impression that only the Boxes were being made with exotic woods. There's my confusion

Well, the fact that you can control the power going to it certainly helps. Vapor production from the LB depends on a good grind consistency, proper moisture levels of the material, serviceable draw technique, and a steady source of power. The first is easy, grind it as fine as you can. The second as well, I find that dry material vaporizes better than moist/"just off the nug" stuff. Less water to vaporize = more goodies in the vapor = more fun with less. Technique is personal so I won't expand much on it other than "if you're getting good vapor and making it progress in color from green to dark brown and not blackening/charring your stuff, you're probably doing it right." Which brings us to the last one. Power. This tends to be the limiting factor after you really understand how to use the box. That's not to say that I don't like the batteries or that there's something wrong with using them, because they're great. It's just, they don't allow you the ability to experiment more with your box and your strain on hand. I can pop in the power adapter and key the power really low, so low that barely any visible vapor is created. Inhale slowly, get a feel for what the strain tastes like. Lung-full of the terpenes/flavinoids of the goods. Turn it up so high that it would char in about 3 seconds if I didn't inhale. I like it because when I get sativas, I can set the power to around 35-40% and get a good selection of THC, and when I get indicas I'll go higher to get those CBD's out of it. It's a bit harder to do that as precisely with batteries. You can inhale faster to drop the temperature, but that's not going to be as accurate as having the power source topping out at that specific range.

The other good thing going for it is the fact that it has its own lifetime warranty, same as the box. For $65 after taxes and shipping, I'd totally buy it again if I lost it. Don't forget about the batteries, though! I relied on my PA for so long that I neglected my batteries for a while... until the power went out one night! I thought "shit the power's out and i can't use my OH MAN WHERE ARE THE BATTERIES?!" And sure enough, they were plugged into the charger on the wall. One battery was enough for the rest of the night as the power came back on two hours later.

My goodness do I ramble.

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i understand the use of the launchbox(i used to have one), and vaping in general.
i didn't really think of the extend to which you could control your session with the pa. ever since i looked in to it, it is grabbing my attention more and more. i honestly didnt even know you could control the voltage of it. It could easily be useful on car rides if i get the car adapter thing for it.

i am thinking i will grab a new box off piu, then a bit later get a pa because it is quite an investment, being 1/2 of the cost of the box itself.

thanks for your help, pretty much just influenced me to pick one up when i get a chance!

i understand the use of the launchbox(i used to have one), and vaping in general.
i didn't really think of the extend to which you could control your session with the pa. ever since i looked in to it, it is grabbing my attention more and more. i honestly didnt even know you could control the voltage of it. It could easily be useful on car rides if i get the car adapter thing for it.

i am thinking i will grab a new box off piu, then a bit later get a pa because it is quite an investment, being 1/2 of the cost of the box itself.

thanks for your help, pretty much just influenced me to pick one up when i get a chance!

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Yes, it has a scroll wheel that you use for power. Here's some pics of mine.

I used both MFLB and PAX and I have decided to go back to using the MFLB as my main unit and having my PAX as a backup (or when I have newb friends around)

I just ordered a Cherry Premium MFLB (gotta get those new batteries ) over the weekend and gifted my old MFLB to my friend. Now I wait for the shipped email to get to me so I can eagerly refresh the tracking page until it gets here (strange that I haven't received that email yet)

that is actually quite interesting(and aesthetically pleasing as well!)
so i take it that if you accidentally set it very high, it is easier to combust

my mind is quite blown at the versatility that this adds.

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Yes. The light indicator inside my box was brighter with the Power Adapter at full power, as opposed to a Powerex 2700 battery fully charged. It gives you a very nice range IMO. It even ventures into the "too hot for anyone but experts" range down to so little power nothing really happens. Like I said, it's an investment for sure, but I wouldn't think twice about it if it came down to it.

I do agree that I like how it looks as well. My only gripe is a silly one, but the cable from the box to the battery adapter piece is stiff. Stiff enough to move the "power house" wooden piece around on a table. I wish it were a bit more flexible, and the power house a bit heavier. I could probably add some small weights to the bottom of it and remedy the situation, but this is really just a personal thing that I noticed and doesn't in any way take away from its raw performance.

Yes. The light indicator inside my box was brighter with the Power Adapter at full power, as opposed to a Powerex 2700 battery fully charged. It gives you a very nice range IMO. It even ventures into the "too hot for anyone but experts" range down to so little power nothing really happens. Like I said, it's an investment for sure, but I wouldn't think twice about it if it came down to it.

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My friend's box's light gets noticeably brighter than mine. At first I thought it was just more reflected light due to the lighter wood tone, then I thought it was the batteries, but after using his box with my PA I can confirm that his runs way brighter than mine, and I assume the temperature of the screen is correspondingly hotter. I wonder how much will change with the breaking-in process, but I don't recall my box ever running quite that bright. Not that I particularly mind, I usually run my power adapter at lower settings anyways...

The best news for me is that my power adapter fits better in his box and my batteries still fit it as well. Now to just look at making my ring adjustment.

I do agree that I like how it looks as well. My only gripe is a silly one, but the cable from the box to the battery adapter piece is stiff. Stiff enough to move the "power house" wooden piece around on a table. I wish it were a bit more flexible, and the power house a bit heavier. I could probably add some small weights to the bottom of it and remedy the situation, but this is really just a personal thing that I noticed and doesn't in any way take away from its raw performance.

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I'll cast another proverbial vote for some extra heft to the "power house", or "nuclear reactor" as I sometimes refer to it…

My friend's box's light gets noticeably brighter than mine. At first I thought it was just more reflected light due to the lighter wood tone, then I thought it was the batteries, but after using his box with my PA I can confirm that his runs way brighter than mine, and I assume the temperature of the screen is correspondingly hotter. I wonder how much will change with the breaking-in process, but I don't recall my box ever running quite that bright.

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I would not make that assumption. I have 3 boxes with lights, they're all different. One even has a larger bulb than the other 2. These guys are running way under ratings (notice how yellow they are?), I would expect many hundreds of hours before they would dim much. Condensed vapor on the bulb surface would dim them far faster than aging. The normal decay mode for little lamps like this is a darkening as the filament evaporates off onto the glass giving it a silver colored film on the inside, the reason household light bulbs are so big in diameter. Halogen bulbs are small OTOH since the high pressure inside prevents the vapor boil off.

Nice looking box, BTW. I once got into a whole lot of trouble saying that......I hope that doesn't happen again....

What do you guys use for labelling your batteries? I'm starting to pile up quite a few with differents capacities and I'm looking for ideas !

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I put little stickers on them numbering them from oldest to newest. I find its easier to keep track of the ones I prefer because even though I tend to buy them in batches of four at a time I find there are always a couple that seem to work better than the others even though they are all the same battery.

I put little stickers on them numbering them from oldest to newest. I find its easier to keep track of the ones I prefer because even though I tend to buy them in batches of four at a time I find there are always a couple that seem to work better than the others even though they are all the same battery.

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That is true. By analyzing them with my MAHA C9000 charger, I saw that there is a growing difference between capacities over time, even if the batteries were bought together

I ordered the power adapter and the car adapter for the MFLB, and it is definitely worth it. It removes the only real downside of the MFLB which are the batteries. You can control the temp much better and I feel like I'm getting better hits.

can anyone recommend a site to buy the mflb for cheap? i know amazon is gone now, but has anyone had any experience with ebay? They are selling new for ~$80

i would love to get the pa with the box, but if i am paying full retail for the box, thats 180 total.
can't quite justify that at the moment, but i could easily justify paying 140 if the box was indeed new and updated, and with warranty and such.
in quite the predicament, need some advice

note: never really been an ebay buyer. idk what it is, but if always been skeptic when it comes to ebay. if ebay is the cheapest while being genuine, could someone send a link over this way that they believe is safest/cheapest? (2012 model with click-lock lid)
much appreciated

it feels like my batteries are fading...they seem like if i charge them full now and ait to use them tomorrow like they lose theyr power...so they are either dying or its not good to leave them charged with the caps on just standing on the table...

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Hey Bro!
If your batteries are fading my standard fix is to hit Amazon and grab a 4 pack of Powerexx 2700's. But I've been hearing very good things about the batts. that MFLB is now shipping.
One last thing....what % of your use is in home? If it's 50% or more you should consider the Power adapter from MFLB. I got one and it transformed my 'Box into a nice little home unit,saving the batts. until needed.

can anyone recommend a site to buy the mflb for cheap? i know amazon is gone now, but has anyone had any experience with ebay? They are selling new for ~$80

i would love to get the pa with the box, but if i am paying full retail for the box, thats 180 total.
can't quite justify that at the moment, but i could easily justify paying 140 if the box was indeed new and updated, and with warranty and such.
in quite the predicament, need some advice

note: never really been an ebay buyer. idk what it is, but if always been skeptic when it comes to ebay. if ebay is the cheapest while being genuine, could someone send a link over this way that they believe is safest/cheapest? (2012 model with click-lock lid)
much appreciated

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Vicki posted recently that Vapenow.com is having a sale on MFLB. Only $77 and change.

Magic Flight sucks. Not the product, but the customer service. I placed an order on the 18th of November. The order was shipped out the next day and never arrived. I contacted Magic Flight about the missing package, but they never contacted back. I tried via phone and email. My package came 2 days ago on December 16th, but there was no magic flight inside the box. There was only some batteries and a charger. I contacted them the same day, and now it's been another 48 hours since I've contacted them. Still no response. Hopefully I'll receive a response on these forums.