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Re: Pacers/Mavericks postgame thread.

Sorry for the flurry of posts, but wanted to note the "Stat of the Night", or I should say "Stats".

Although Hibbert was, again, atrocious from the field (30%) he did 2 very, VERY important things: Got to the line SEVEN times (!) and didn't have a single turnover. For the first time he didn't let his struggles scoring get to him, he played with energy/passion, something that had been missing.

Love seeing the big fella get his head right. Other parts of his game will follow.

Re: Pacers/Mavericks postgame thread.

Roy's contributions tonight went beyond what was on the stat sheet. There were a couple times where he hit West with a pass to get David a trip to the foul line, some solid D, and helping the offense. Once G2 and Area 55 got the "Let's Go Roy" chant really rolling, you could literally see Roy's confidence growing.

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Re: Pacers/Mavericks postgame thread.

So the question is pretty straight forward, what did the Team do this time that is different then last time?

Can we capture it in a bottle and force-feed it to the Team before the start of a game?

In all seriousness, how did Lance do in this game?

It sounds like he is starting to click and figure things out..... but was he decent on the offensive and defensive end?

I think that it's been noted that Lance has been getting far more mintues over the last 2 games and is starting to contibute on a positive note.

If this were the first game of the year it would've been the 2nd best game of his career. But since it wasn't it was like...the 7th. Played pretty well. There was a few times where he just abused Dallas in transition (it helped that they didn't feel like stopping the ball).

Guy's a legit player now, been playing too solid for too many games now to just call it a flash in the pan. I was wrong. And so were like 80% of you reading this so shut up.

In post-game interviews Hill and Young both said Vogel put in some new plays.

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Re: Pacers/Mavericks postgame thread.

Lance goes 5/9 with 12 points? With the starters? In a real win? Whats that you say? He hit 2 three's and had 3 assists to only 1 turnover? This kid is maturing right before our eyes and I can not wait to see what he's fully capable of.

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Re: Pacers/Mavericks postgame thread.

Enjoyed the win and expect the team to build off it. At the same time, I found Dallas surprisingly underwhelming. Regardless of record, I don't think this is a good team. Maybe with a healthy Dirk. I'm glad we did not obtain Kaman. Like DC as a backup, but since he allegedly wouldn't accept that role, I'm not upset he's gone. Just wish we could have filled his spot with something more appetizing than Agustin/Lil Hansbrough.

If Lance can manage to consistently give us low double digits and reasonably level - headed play, it will be huge. Roy's activity level was much better. His overall play was not that much better. Abusing Murphy in garbage time down low doesn't count for much in my book. But, hopefully, if that intensity remains things will pick up.

PG on the other hand...blech on the offensive end. Huge height advantage multiple times where DC was matched up with him and the majority of them he couldn't hold position or get off a strong, non - fading away shot. So he's got a lot of work to do in that area. Plus the handles still aren't good enough.

Hope Seth is right about the bench guys slowly finding themselves. Only one I'm liking much right now is Mahinmi, but the big problem is the guy can't cure his foul magnet propensity. Young was great tonight. Much appreciated, but can he really be a reliable 3 pt threat?

Re: Pacers/Mavericks postgame thread.

If Sam Young can get to where he doesn't hurt you offensively (not even wishing for helping, even after tonight) then he's very rotation worthy because he'll help you defensively every night, as long as you don't mismatch him positionally (like have him guarding 4s, etc). I like Sam Young too, He's an okay jump shot from being very valuable.

Re: Pacers/Mavericks postgame thread.

Thank Goodness for the WIN!

What took so long for Frank to realize that his offensive scheme sucked and he needed to try something different. I still don't know about Frank and the Pacers. Mavs are a pretty bad team at the moment and their defense was terrible against the Pacers. We'll see soon where this team is come Sunday. I hope last night is the beginning of a great season and I hope Frank proves me wrong and shows that he can make adjustments and is NBA head coaching worthy!

Go Pacers!

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Re: Pacers/Mavericks postgame thread.

If Sam Young can get to where he doesn't hurt you offensively (not even wishing for helping, even after tonight) then he's very rotation worthy because he'll help you defensively every night, as long as you don't mismatch him positionally (like have him guarding 4s, etc). I like Sam Young too, He's an okay jump shot from being very valuable.

Yea, I'm not hating on Sam, but the Grizz basically let him walk for Ellington, so his defense isn't a big enough plus to out way his woeful offense. I would like to see the Pacers do something in a trade to get a real backup SF. I don't think Sam is gonna help stop a LBJ or a KD, so what's the point. Same thought the Grizz had too I'm sure.

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Re: Pacers/Mavericks postgame thread.

Another thing about Lance last night that some may have missed. He was a real leader out there. "Leader" may be too strong, because he is so young. But he is a mega-cheerleader who encourages the guys who really need it after big plays.

Not only that, he has that feel that winners have for when to hit key shots (Granger and Hill also have that). The three he hit in the third, I think, that put us up by 13 or so, was the psychological turning of the game. Players with a killer's instinct know how important it is not to just just coast on a 9 or 10 point lead but to put the foot on the opponent's throat.

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Re: Pacers/Mavericks postgame thread.

Yea, Lance was off the chain last night. I am very happy for him. I hope he keeps it up, I think he might just do that too. I think a lot of us have known he has a huge upside. We just all questioned his immaturity vs the NBA. Rather or not he could put his talents to good use in the NBA before self destruct. Pacers FO has done very well with him. Larry obviously saw something in Lance on a personal level to allow patience with Lance.

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Frank Vogel says "Killer instinct, start strong, build a lead and then step on their throats."