Gary Numan Digest Sun, 23 Apr 2000 Volume 2 : Issue 32
Today's Topics:
Administrivia
"To boldly go where Nu man has gone before!"
(2 msgs)
AFOS crap
Almond v Numan
B Sides
Cars times two
Down at the old Shepherds Bush
Extended Mixes
Gary's U.S. Hit - FYI
Gary Numan Digest V2 #31 (2 msgs)
Gary Numan Digest V2 #31 Test Coming
mojo
Music 365
Saturday Night Radio
taking a ride in the sounds of the ages
Top 5 and PS.
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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 10:24:09 -0600
From: root
Subject: Administrivia
To: digest
I have removed the 20 copies of the previous digest that were returned
to the list and removed the offending address. Here is a new copy of
digest 2.32....
-Dave
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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:08:36 +0100
From: "NumanBoy"
Subject: "To boldly go where Nu man has gone before!"
To: "Gary Numan Digest"
Kirk: Captain's log 20 April 2000: "I plan to record a cover version of
Numan's "Cars"...
Spock: "But Captain, is that logical?"
CHECK OUT THIS STORY!:
http://www.nme.com/newsdesk/20000420090009.html
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:43:02 -0400
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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 07:31:09 -0400
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:31:33 +0100
From: thoutby@fusiongroup.co.uk (Tim Houtby)
Subject: AFOS crap
To: "Digest"
Michael Tressler
I'm not going to go on and on about this , but I just want to say one thing,
and I think that most Numan fans over here would back me up to the hilt:
"AFOS first album is just as good or better than anything Numan has done"
you said.
Absolute shit Michael - and yes, I know its just your "humble opinion".
But I don't think I'm being blinkered, opinionated or biased either. Hey -
I'm just giving you humble opinion.
I'm leaving it there now. It's not worth further argument (but I look
forward to your response).
Tim.
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:30:07 +0100
From: "Antonio"
Subject: Almond v Numan
To: "Gary Numan"
As a huge fan of both artists, I have read what each has said about the
other in the past and it has always puzzled me. Gary has stated in the
80's, "I can't stand Marc Almond" and Marc in the 80's has said similar
things. But Marc Almond was well known for slagging off everyone during the
80's from Boy George to Jimmy Somerville (classic quote - Jimmy Sommervile -
"Marc Almond should do more for the gay community" Marc - "Jimmy is right, I
should do more for the community. I should strangle Jimmy Sommerville.")
I think what needs to be remembered with Marc Almond is that during the
height of his career he was probably slagged off as much if not more than
Gary Numan by not only the music press but people on the street, and he had
a huge drug problem. This is all documented in Marcs fantastic
autobiography "Tainted Life" - which has several references to Numan, none
of them negative. (They mainly list him as an artist Marc used to play a
lot of when he was a DJ)
Thee is also the fact that both Marc and Gary make completely different
music, both now broadly labelled as goth in most record shops which
categorise music - but nothing alike. I think this is why I like them both
pretty much equally, because it is difficult to draw parralels between the
music of the two apart from the dark qualities of both artists output and
the use of synthesisers.
Just my opinion...
Anti
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(X-Ray Spex)
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:53:15 +0100
From: VinceH
Subject: B Sides
To: Gary Numan
On 16 Apr, wrote:
> in the meantime, yes, what superb B sides we have.
[...]
> Trois Gyms
Happens to be one of my favourite pieces of music.
Umm.
When played on a piano - not Gary's version. (Nowt
wrong with it, as such, just isn't the same).
VinceH
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:08:11 -0400
From: Matthew Roberts
Subject: Cars times two
To: Gary Numan
NME 22/4/00 - a news article reports that not only is Cars being "covered=
"
by Armand Van Helden but by William Shatner as well!
On 'Coochie' Gary says:
"It's the first time I've been on Radio 1 since I can remember, that's fo=
r
sure - normally on by birthday they play something. It's alright
actually... someone sent me an e-mail saying someone's done a dance mix o=
f
'Cars' and I just thought, 'Oh bollocks! It's going to be all bleepy and =
so
on' but I was pleasantly surprised because it sounds very, very powerful
and it's one of the few dance things that I've actually genuinely liked."=
Nice to hear Gary being forthright about Radio 1 and dance music for a
change. An impossible question of course, but is the Cars riff the most
remunerative 5 notes ever written? On Shatner's version:
"That's my fucking career done. In a nice way, I might as well quit now;
that's the bollocks. I'm a right Star Trek fan - Captain Kirk doing one o=
f
your songs - what could be a better accolade than that? That's brilliant.=
"
Not so sure about that. Captain Kirk enunciating "Here in my car, I feel
safest of all.... I can lock all my doors.... it's the only way to
live............. in Cars." a la 'The Transformed Man' sounds like a
distinct piss take to me albeit a very funny one....
Matthew Roberts
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:09:56 +0100
From: VinceH
Subject: Down at the old Shepherds Bush
To: Gary Numan
On 17 Apr, wrote:
[snips]
[mushy songs]
> (for you overseas, we can get=20 embarrassed by too much display of
> feeling, which is probably why some people don't like the song,
> Absolution.)
Umm, maybe it's just me, but I don't really think
Absolution can be considered 'mushy' in the normal
sense. Looks more like a song about being obsessed,
to the point that the, ahem, victim is likely to
(or should!) take out an injunction.
But perhaps it's just me :-)
[...]
> I bet some people are skipping this list through sheer frustration at
> having to miss such terrific songs.
Damn straight I am. :-/
[...]
> I enjoyed it. THANK YOU, GARY!
Okay, okay, no need to rub it in.. ;-)
VinceH
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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 14:54:41 -0700
From: "Mike Batchelor"
Subject: Extended Mixes
To: "Numan"
Hello all,
Does anyone know where I can get a hold of the CD extended
versions for the Numa releases? (ie. Berserker, The Fury,
Sacrifice.. etc...) I don't seem to be having any luck so far, and
from the order form from NuWorld, it seems that Machine & Soul is
the only one available. Please email me if you have any
ideas.. thanks a lot!
- Mike
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:55:13 CDT
From: "Jerry V. Howard"
Subject: Gary's U.S. Hit - FYI
To: digest@garynumanfan.nu
I just read the digest and Mike Tressler's response on his being scolded for
having a little fun (AFOS/GN). He said Gary only had one top 40 hit in the
U.S., and he didn't even know if it made the top ten. In fact, "Cars" is
the only Gary Numan song to have even entered Billboard's Hot 100 single
chart, and yes, it did crack the top ten. "Cars" peaked at #9 in March of
1980.
jerry v
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:15:32 -0700
From: Mark
Subject: Gary Numan Digest V2 #31
To: Gary Numan
Paddy wrote:
"but what about
Time To Die
Noise Noise
Rumour
Trois Gyms
etc!!!!!"
OH yes, Like I said, for YEARS we simply needed a CD with nothing but B-Sides. In the past, I made "non-LP" cassettes that I could play in the car etc. I am glad we are getting all the reissues eventually, but to get all the B-Sides on high quality CD, I have had to buy
some of the CD for a third time now. On well, it is certainly worth it, albeit frustrating.
Mark Hubbard
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Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:36:12 +0100
From: "A MCHAFFIE"
Subject: Gary Numan Digest V2 #31
To: "Gary Numan"
Anyone interesterd in an 1980 copy of Melody Maker with Gary on the front
cover ?
Tubeway Andy
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Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 06:47:49 -0500
From: "Troy L. Walters"
Subject: Gary Numan Digest V2 #31 Test Coming
To: Gary Numan
Okay, now that we all have The Gary Numan Digest V2 #31 committed to
memory, expect the test soon...
Troy L. Walters
www.idgafsyndrome.com/Numan
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:37:40 +0100
From: thoutby@fusiongroup.co.uk (Tim Houtby)
Subject: mojo
To: "Digest"
On a lighter note, theres a small Numan story in the current issue of Mojo
(May edition). Rather amusing, maybe even true !!
Tim.
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 20:56:06 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Gary=20Perkins?=
Subject: Music 365
To: Gary Numan Digest
I found this recent interview on Music 365. I include
it for those with only Email access. It took place
prior to the London gig and has a very interesting
slant on what Gary now thinks of his fans:
Music365 tracked the Numanoid to his UK rehearsal
studios this week.
Music365: Are you all set for Saturday's concert?
Gary Numan: "Yeah, rehearsals started on Monday. It's
the same band I've been using for a while though, so
there's not that much work to do, really.
You must have released a new album every year for the
best part of two decades. How do you decide which
tracks to use?
"(Laughs) It's not easy. A lot of it picks itself,
fortunately. There was a period in the '80s when I was
using a lot of saxophone and a fretless base
which I no longer have so there's about 11 album's
worth of material I can't use anyway. It's inevitable
that I can't please everybody, though. I'm
bound to disappoint somebody somewhere!
Your fans can verge a bit on the obsessive judging
from some of the web-sites dedicated to you....
"That's just a very small minority who do seem
unfortunately to be very vocal. Most of my fans just
buy the album or come along to a concert and
then go home after hopefully enjoying it. Ultimately
if you feel the need to write to me and ask why I
didn't play a certain track or feel compelled to
tell me what you think of an album then sorry but
you've taken it a bit too far."
Do you still get a big crowd of Numan look-a-likes at
your live shows? "Not so much anymore. Ever since
Marilyn Manson and Billy Corgan have been namechecking
me in interviews as an influence my audience has got a
whole lot younger. Some of the Manson kids turn up in
their leather gear and black contact lenses and they
look ****' great!"
Is that the kind of stuff you listen to now, the
Industrial Metal scene?
"Yeah, definitely. In my mind Trent Reznor is the
closest thing we've got to a musical genius. There's a
whole underground scene out there that can sell
out large venues without any help whatsoever from
radio or TV and that can only be good. It's similar to
when 'Are 'Friends' Electric' broke through
for me; it was Number One for two weeks before it got
any airplay from Radio1!"
What stuff were you into as a kid?
"First of all it was The Monkees. I remember miming
along to them as a kid although I don't think that
they were that much of an influence in the long
run! My first real hero was Marc Bolan... T-Rex."
Do you think that the Bowie comparisons you got were a
bit facile?
"I can see why they were made. We were both from the
same part of the country with vaguely similar voices.
What we really shared though was a strong sense of the
visual and the creating of new characters and
reinvention. People had done that before Bowie though
and they're still doing it now. Manson is the perfect
contemporary example of that."
The Armand Van Helden track 'Koochie' that heavily
samples 'Cars' has been tipped by Pete Tong to go
straight in at Number One. What do you think ofit?
"Well, I'm not the biggest dance fan in the world so
my first reaction on learning about it was, 'Oh shit!'
(laughs) It really could have been terrible but now
I've heard it I think it's a really good re-working. I
was only aware of him through the remix he'd done on
Tori Amos but yeah I think he's done a great job. More
publicity for me as well!"
Liking Gary Numan doesn't seem to be such a big dirty
secret these days. Why do you think that is?
"I think a lot of it's to do with the 'Random' tribute
album a couple of years ago when people like Trent and
Courtney Love covered my stuff. It introduced my music
to a whole new generation that may not have been aware
of me before. "People started to concentrate on what
really mattered and not all that baggage which I
seemed to accumulate during my 'tabloid' years. My
biggest crime was always in being too honest. There
were a lot of hypocrites out there who were saying all
the right things but living their lives as a total
contradiction to that. My dad always told me just to
be myself and it's what I've always tried to subscribe
to."
I read recently that you auditioned for The Jam before
you were famous...
"Yeah (laughs) I'm convinced I did. It was a
three-piece band in Woking anyway - where The Jam were
from - and they were toying with the idea of taking on
a fourth member. I turned up with my guitar and a
whole host of effects pedals without which I was
useless - I'm still not the greatest guitarist in the
world! So I plugged in and let rip with this racket
before
they very quickly told me to stop and cut the pedals.
Needless to say I failed the audition!! I saw them on
TV a few months later and I was like, '**** me, it's
them!!' They were quite distinctive looking blokes so
I'm pretty sure it was Weller and the boys!"
So you could have ended up in The Style Council,
then?"Yeah, I suppose so!"
A lot of your websites seem VERY preoccupied with the
actual date that your new album's due out. Any clues?
"It's been put back to September by the record
company. Some people have convinced themselves that
I've deviously delayed it myself for some reason.
God knows why because it's **** my tour plans up and
it means I go a bit longer without any money coming
through! That's one of the drawbacks of the
Internet, unfortunately. Anybody can post a total lie
up that then takes on some credence and I have to end
up denying a load of bollocks. That's one
thing that does piss me off but what can you do?"
Can people expect all the hits at Shepherd's Bush?
"Yeah. I went through a phase of being quite reluctant
to play them but I'm more comfortable with the whole
thing now. You've got to recognise that that's why a
lot of people have come to see you. I'll mess about
the arrangements a bit just to keep them fresh,
though. I've never believed in nostalgia for
nostalgia's sake."
So there's no danger of you turning into the new Gary
Glitter then?
"(Laughs) Definitely not!!!"
Interview: BILLIE SWIFT Fri Apr 14 2000 17:24 BST
PS Thanks to Paddy for the great review, Yes, I
regretted not going. Too old and lazy me.
Gary P
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Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:54:24 +0100
From: "Antonio"
Subject: Saturday Night Radio
To: "Gary Numan"
Just a mention to the interested - my girlfriend does a college radio show
from barnard college in New York, and naturally she plays (and talks about)
Numan a lot. She's pretty stuck on Stormtrooper in Drag and Absolution at
the moment (Absolution being the first Numan song she heard).
It's on Saturday evenings at 5 - 8pm EST, which is 10pm - 1am GMT, and it
can be listened to online by going here :
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/wbar/
The rest of the set is mainly goth/industrial/80's. You can find out more
about the show by going to her site at http://www.califia.org and clicking
the 'radio' link.
Also, since she is only in New York until August, the show will only be of
interest to Numanoids until then :)
Anti
I am a poseur and I don't care, I like to make people stare!
(X-Ray Spex)
http://www.goffboi.freeserve.co.uk
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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 03:12:50 -0500
From: Val & Ben Iglar-Mobley
Subject: taking a ride in the sounds of the ages
To: The Gary Digest
Dear comrade 'noids,
Thanks for the reviews of the show; it sounds like it was fantastic.
I wish I could've been there.
While we're waiting for the tour to start for real, and for the
TWENTIETH GARY ALBUM, I thought I'd propose a poll for us here on the
Dige akin to the album poll James Chapman ran. I know we've been
talking about songs and b-sides we like, but I'd like to really pull
together what the preferences are among the body of the tubeway soldiers
for the songs Gary has done. And I know there've been song polls on
various web sites, but not all of us have visited and submitted to all
of those polls. I thought James' polling about preferences among the
albums was very informative; I've shared those results with quite a few
new numanoids. I think a poll here of favorite songs could also be
interesting, just to see what shows up.
Here's what I'd like anyone who's willing to partake to do. I'd like a
list of what your top 20 favorite Gary songs are. As an example here
are mine:
1) The Joy Circuit
2) We Have A Technical
3) The Angel Wars
4) A Question Of Faith
5) I Die: You Die
6) Down In The Park
7) Metal 98
8) We Are Glass
9) The Skin Game
10) I'm An Agent
11) My Breathing
12) Thoughts No. 2
13) Complex
14) Cry The Clock Said
15) Berserker
16) Call Out The Dogs
17) Check It
18) Listen To The Sirens
19) Strange Charm
20) Cold Metal Rhythm
. . .
When everyone who wants to participate has offered their lists, I'll
post what the final results are of what are the most loved Gary
compositions and in what order.
A few points I should probably mention:
I'll assign weights to the song lists based on where they fall in a
given list-- #1 getting "weighted" the most to #20 the least-- to
reflect those songs going from most to lesser favorites. Although...
Songs can be listed as tied in a list. Just in case you can't decide
whether "Bridge? What Bridge?" is really preferable to "Puppets."
In the case of tied songs, they'll get assigned the same "weight."
An entire list can be submitted as tied, or "in no particular order."
This is just in case you can't decide at all which songs you prefer
over which, though you know what ones you want up there. (Though
giving them in order is more information to work with.)
Yes, you can list songs Gary's done with Bill Sharpe or Hugh Nicholson
in your list of faves (if you're brave enough to admit that).
You can list less than 20; they'll still count as much as the top
(however many) of anyone else's list.
You can list more than 20, but I'll only be able to count your first 20,
just so that no one's list will factor in more heavily than anyone
else's. [I had to cut it off SOMEwhere, and 20 per entry I think is
about the limit for manageability.]
You can either post them to the Digest here, if you feel like sharing
with everybody, or you can e-mail me privately at:
mailto:iglarmobley@earthlink.net?subject=my_top_20_fave_Garys.
This is just in case you don't want anyone to know you were the one
to pick "1999" as your #1 favorite Gary song. (Or, you know, if you
don't want to clutter the Digest.)
* * *
I hope some of you are willing to give this a whirl. I think it could
be quite interesting. Plus, it'll give us something new to argue about.
lots of love, and let the voting commence,
Ben Iglar-Mobley
http://home.earthlink.net/~iglarmobley
* * *
"What will you make of my lines?
What will you think I've said?
What hidden secrets will you say are in my head?"
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Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 16:09:34 +0100 (BST)
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Linda=20Astrup?=
Subject: Top 5 and PS.
To: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU
Non-Numan Faves in order plus fave tunes :
Pet Shop Boys - I Wouldn't Normally Do This Kind Of
Thing
Counting Crows - Round Here
2UNLIMITED - Let the Beat Control Your Body
Underworld - Rez
VAST - Pretty When You Cry
P.S. Numan fans get spoiled rotten by Gary - heaven
forbid you should have to wait a (normal) 3 years for
the next album release like other fans - they don't
complain, neither should GN fans. And certainly not
when Gary treats us all so brilliantly . He goes out
of his way for GN fans - I'd like to see other artists
bother so much (some excepted, but very few).
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