Yuri and Yurio’s path to the GPF!!

Another week, another Yuri!!! episode! And we got a mention of Pyeongchang, so this has to be set between 2012 and 2018! Chances are that it’s 2016, though, since we’d have heard much more about Pyeongchang if it were Olympic season.

Yuri!!! on ICE’s Rostelecom Cup: the lowdown

Out of the entire field of skaters that appears in the Grand Prix series, only the top 6 qualify for the GPF. It’s actually a pretty tall ask, as around 30 elite skaters/couples in each discipline are usually given berths in two of the six qualifying events, which is necessary to even be in the running.

The top eight skaters at each qualifying event get points that count towards appearing in the final (15, 13, 11, 9, 7, 5, 4, 3). 30 points (two 1st places) is the maximum, and 28 (a 1st and a 2nd; 26 points works if it’s a 1st and 3rd) is the minimum to guarantee a spot, though it also depends on how one performs relative to everyone else. Generally speaking, skaters need at least 22-24 points to stand a chance of qualifying. Typically, this means at least one strong podium finish (gold, silver) and no less than 4th or 5th in the other competition to qualify.

This is why Leo (15 + 3 = 18 points) and Guang Hong (11 + 4 = 15 points) are out of the running, despite podium finishes at Skate America. Same with Giorgi (9 + 11 = 20 points), even though he got a bronze in France. As revealed in the show, the point distribution amongst skaters still in the running was:

The translation is slightly messed up. Seung Gil Lee is third from the bottom on the list. He’s got 13 points, same as Yuri and Yurio. Emil and Michele have 11 points each.

Yuri needs at least a 3rd place finish (13 + 11 = 24 points) to be certain of qualification.1 The only possible spoiler here would be if JJ gets 4th place, and Yurio and Seung Gil take gold and silver, giving them 28 and 26 points. In such a scenario, Yuri, JJ and Phichit would all have 24 points, but Yuri would lose out because the other two have each won one of their events.

Given the short program scores, however (JJ: 113.56, Yuri: 109.97, Yurio: 98.09, Seung Gil: 91.83 Michele: 89.65, Emil: 82.43), Yuri and Yurio stand a good chance of qualifying, as long as they don’t completely bomb their free programs. In practical terms, Yuri can probably take around 3 poor jumps (with a fall or two) with one less each for Yurio, provided those behind them skate as well as they can. And there are a few different factors that might play a part here.

For Phichit, as long as JJ medals, he’ll qualify for the GPF because the first tiebreaker is the top placing that a skater managed to get. So I reckon he has an excellent chance of going through.

On skating orders and whatnot

First, of course, is the pressure that Yurio probably feels skating at home. With Victor’s future as a skater unknown, and the media still clamouring for his return, Yurio is probably feeling all kinds of inadequate despite his fantastic results in the junior competition. There are advantages to skating at home, mostly to do with not having to travel too far; however, the pressure to get results in front of one’s home crowd, with all the expectations they have, has seen many elite skaters let medals slip through their fingers.

On top of that, another consideration is skate order. In (elite) competitions, singles skaters are generally split into groups of six, which warm up together and then take to the ice to perform in a random order determined by lottery. In the short program, skaters/couples are usually grouped with people of similar level, with the better groups taking the ice last. For example, Hanyu, Chan, Uno, and Fernandez would probably all be put in the last group at the Olympics—they’ve ‘earned’ that privilege, so-to-speak. The groups for the FS are determined by SP scores.2 Skaters and coaches usually work out plans for what to do with their waiting time based on which lot is drawn. Some also have particular lots that they like and others that they don’t; going first, especially in the first group, is probably one of the least desirable places in the order. On the other hand, going last, especially in every second group of six, has its own problems, such as the quality of the ice, which would already have seen 11 other people skating and kicking up the ice all over it.3

The sole exception I have seen to these order issues is in the Grand Prix Final, where the six qualifiers skate in reverse order of results for both short and long. In other words, the top qualifier goes last in the short, and the top scorer in the SP goes last in the free. Given that the GP series changed the rule about grouping competitors according to how good they are this year, I’m not sure if this was also changed. To be honest, I prefer the tradition—it gave us that fantastic men’s competition in the final last year!

GDI, Victor! That panicked face makes it so hard for me to get mad at you!

That said, at the very top of the list of challenges that our beloved little characters face is Victor being idiotic and asking Yakov to take his place as Yuri’s coach for one day. For Yuri, the suggestion that Victor has got no faith in him has got to hurt, even if that’s not the message he wanted to convey. As for Yurio, I seriously cannot believe that, after so many signals that he sees more potential in Yuri than in his own countryman and rink mate, Victor would actually try to take Yurio’s coach away as well. Yes, Victor is stressed out and probably panicking, but I seriously wanted to slap him to get him to think about their feelings as well!

So, what will happen next week?

Based on ability—and to be frank, on the programs we’ve seen animated in the show so far—my prediction is that JJ, Yuri, Yurio and Phichit will be the four making it to the final. I expect that JJ will take the gold…and that what Victor did will mess with Yurio more than with Yuri (though I’m sure that Yuri would also be incredibly worried about Victor and Makkachin)…so, Yurio, I’m barracking for you this time!!

And looking beyond that…I feel that the show is setting up for Victor to return to competition, so that he’ll be able to skate against Yuri in the Olympic season. To be frank, that’s the ending that makes the most sense to me, given that one of the earliest wishes that Yuri voiced, back in episode 1 when he returned to Hasetsu, was to be able to skate against Victor again one day. But we shall see!

(2016-12-01) Haha. I originally felt that the subtitle translation was incorrect, partly because there were too many possible spoilers for Yuri getting to the GPF if he came 4th (basically, I didn’t think any commentator would say “he need’s at least 4th place to qualify.” “3rd or better or 4th with help” is the kind of thing I’d have expected to hear.). But LOL, of course they went for the most complicated calculation. I hadn’t expected that Yuri would do that badly in the free, but yes, it’s true that if he came fourth, he’d have qualified as long as the podium went a certain way (basically, as long as Seung Gil, Emil or Michele didn’t get certain placements, thus scoring more than him in terms of point totals). I did briefly consider it last week, and my original post started going into it, but I switched to this because it got really, really messy… Oh well. ↩

I’m not sure what’s happened in the show, but in real life, the Grand Prix series actually changed this rule this year. As a consequence, the Shibsibs have had the misfortune of skating first in both of their GP outings this year. They placed first both times, but their scores thus far aren’t as high as the other top contenders in dance this season. ↩

5 Responses to Yuri and Yurio’s path to the GPF!!

Thanks for that. While I knew a bit about ice skating and the scoring I had no idea beyond the rushed explanation in the show how qualifying worked so this helped to clarify that process a lot. Thanks for sharing.

This is fascinating! Thank you. It’s great to get a skater’s perspective, especially given that so much care and research went into this series.

It will be interesting to see how the RC plays out; I’d certainly be happy with those four going to Spain. JJ seems like a monster, so he’d be tough to beat.

I’m not as sure about the Viktor will return to skating argument, however, given his age and, more importantly, him seeming so creatively finished with the sport as a skater (ep 1 and 2). Moreover, his coaching skills are tied to his growth arc, so why wouldn’t his success with Yuuri tell him that he has a future as a coach? I wouldn’t complain if they both skated in the Olympics, but then who would be Yuuri’s coach be, since Yakov could coach Viktor? Would Yuuri go back to Ciao-Ciao, even though they didn’t click well enough to bring Yuuri’s talent out? And would that mean V and Y would be separated? Frankly the only way I could personally accept a separation between these two now is if they made some form of commitment far stronger than “I’m sure I’ll see you on the ice”. They make each other better; they are better together, and that hasn’t needed both of them to compete as skaters to flower.

You’re welcome, glad you find it useful! (Though I’m not a skater, if that’s what you were implying!)

It looks like Yuri will probably lose to JJ here, I think. But I wonder what the skate order is going to be, and whether Yurio might actually lose. At least, that’s what I wouldn’t have expected, but given how episode 8 focused on his feelings, there is a sliver of doubt in my mind…

With Victor…hm…I see what you mean. I do think that most of Victor’s growth has come from him learning what coaches do (though he’s still got a little way to go). But I also think that what he’s learning as a coach actually has implications for how he relates to the other skaters as well. But of course, I haven’t thought about how it might happen — i.e. whether Yuri would go back to Celestino or find another coach. Some RL skaters have switched coaches so often that I’m sure it’s possible though. And if Plushenko could keep trying to skate until he was 31 (even with operations on his back and all), then I don’t see why Victor can’t try to come back, especially if he hasn’t had any major injuries himself. It depends on what he wants to do with his career going forward, really.

As for Victor and Yuri…well, if you think about it, neither of them have that many more years of competing ahead of them. I’ll have more to say on this point later down the track, but I want to see how the rest of the show plays out first.