Because, nobody can be up 24/7 posting on internet websites and still doing house cleaning and editing and research and cat cleaning and having any personal time at all left for ... and posting on the internet in several different styles & memories?

Who starts. Who follows up. Are you a fucking robot? Its been brought up before by others.

That little event when you were banned of someone else coming on (in your defense) ... Quade cut that off quick and gave you an additional two weeks rest -yes?'

Who a I addressing this is very moment? Mr. Neddler? Gayla? some other guy? the spam bot software program? the cleaning kid?'

This comes to me from the guy with how many thousands of posts on this thread? Instead of going on and on and bad-mouthing nice people like Geoff Nelder and Gayla Prociv, you could have just asked me what you wanted to know.

LOL my style alone should tell you I'm the only one who posts here under my own name. How do I it? Well.... I only work maybe five hours a day helping run the housecleaning business, three to four days a week. The rest of the time I'm either out and about or up here in the office. Today I'm watching the Giants and the Browns. (Damn...Giants just picked off the Browns, too)

You just can't stand it that I pulled the covers on Marla, can you? Too bad. Let me clue you in on a Great Truth about the DZ Cooper thread Georger:

I'm not the ONLY one around here who gets their claims on the Cooper case questioned. And I'm a big believer in the concept that if you provide people enough rope when they are being deceptive, they will eventually find a tree and hang themselves with it.

I also believe you are still angry that I called you out on your phony quote by Geoff Gray. First you said Gray told you this, then you said you heard it from someone else. I can't even remember anymore who you attributed it to now. When you come to me with that type of BS, you have to expect I'm going to dispute it. So unless you are willing to make public an email from Gray where he confirms this, then you should stop quoting him.

The real problem is that your credibility is completely trashed now. Not because of the quote, but because you post up negative crap anytime something appears here with my name on it. It's consistent, which proves you have personal issues.

Sorry to bust your AB conspiracy theory. Yeah, it's only me who posts here. Actually, I think the Lennon/Fogerty Rickenbacker Conspiracy holds more water. At least there is some pictorial evidence.

Oh! That was quick! (leaves other issues unanswered forever but is quick to respond to this!) Must have hit a nerve.

Well, RobertMBlevins, or should I say "Adventure Books of Seattle", I am a real person with a real life, as opposed to you the committee -

so... I think I will go out and milk the goat and feed the cows, and come back to your "quick reply" later.

I have to disagree with this statement, this is from a phone interview Marla gave.

Maybe I'm not conveying this correctly.

Like anyone else with a story, there are things Marla knows and there are things she could not know.

Some of the things she says are speculation on her part. I don't believe she could know where the jumper landed. But, just because she says things she may not know does not mean everything she says is speculation.

Jo knows where Duane told her before he died. Marla knows what she saw when she was 8 and what her father told her. Blevins knows KC was unaccounted for at the time of the jump and had more money afterward.

I have to disagree with this statement, this is from a phone interview Marla gave.

Maybe I'm not conveying this correctly.

Like anyone else with a story, there are things Marla knows and there are things she could not know.

Some of the things she says are speculation on her part. I don't believe she could know where the jumper landed. But, just because she says things she may not know does not mean everything she says is speculation.

Jo knows where Duane told her before he died. Marla knows what she saw when she was 8 and what her father told her. Blevins knows KC was unaccounted for at the time of the jump and had more money afterward.

Most everything else about the suspects is speculation.

Can you name a single "fact" about Duane Weber, KC, Sailshaw's suspect, or Marla's uncle that connects them with D. B. Cooper? Everything about either of these four suspects being connected to Cooper is speculation or a complete fabrication.

I understand speculation, but she went way over that by stating where he landed, Marla has always been very confident that her uncle was the hijacker, I have yet to see any confirmed evidence pointing to this. her family has not backed anything she says, her mother only states "I always had a hunch" her brother who was there also tells a different story, I am leaning 99% that she is fabricating her story VS speculation IMO.

Personally I think she likes attention more than the money she thought she would get by doing this, sometimes the truth is harder to swallow, how much rope are we to give her in this "story" or when is time to finally say the story is not true? the public can be very giving and at the same time turn on you in a second, Marla found this out just a couple of months after going public.

we have one picture of LD around the age of DB and one picture of him much older, where are all of the memories she can remember so vivid? no family photo's nothing? I found a lot of problems with her story trying to make it work, it just does not add up,

even if you don't believe Jo, you can rest assure she has piles of files showing proof of her attempt, Marla had one little picture with the strap...nothing else, except, speculation! it's possible she is mixing up another story as some have claimed but I'm not buying that either.

I truly believe some of the evidence is still around be it in the woods or near the river or possibly in someone's attic waiting to be uncovered, I'm not that confident we have any idea who he really is...........

'Can you name a single "fact" about Duane Weber, KC, Sailshaw's suspect, or Marla's uncle that connects them with D. B. Cooper?'

KC: Bernie Geestman tells a national television audience that yes...KC could be the hijacker. He fails to mention he was WITH KC for several days over the time of the hijacking. Above and beyond the witness testimony and the other evidence (mostly circumstantial) you have to wonder why would he say such a thing? Why didn't he say he KNEW KC wasn't the guy...because he was WITH him?

'Can you name a single "fact" about Duane Weber, KC, Sailshaw's suspect, or Marla's uncle that connects them with D. B. Cooper?'

KC: Bernie Geestman tells a national television audience that yes...KC could be the hijacker. He fails to mention he was WITH KC for several days over the time of the hijacking. Above and beyond the witness testimony and the other evidence (mostly circumstantial) you have to wonder why would he say such a thing? Why didn't he say he KNEW KC wasn't the guy...because he was WITH him?

Blevins, As I remember it, you have repeatedly called Geestman a liar.

So how do you rate your answer above? Fact, speculation, fabrication, or all three?

'Can you name a single "fact" about Duane Weber, KC, Sailshaw's suspect, or Marla's uncle that connects them with D. B. Cooper?'

KC: Bernie Geestman tells a national television audience that yes...KC could be the hijacker. He fails to mention he was WITH KC for several days over the time of the hijacking. Above and beyond the witness testimony and the other evidence (mostly circumstantial) you have to wonder why would he say such a thing? Why didn't he say he KNEW KC wasn't the guy...because he was WITH him?

Blevins, As I remember it, you have repeatedly called Geestman a liar.

So how do you rate your answer above? Fact, speculation, fabrication, or all three?

Robert99

Fact: Geestman said that. Also a fact: Multiple witnesses who had not communicated with each other in many years put the two men together and missing. The best witness was Helen Jones, who also mentioned Kenny confirmed for her six weeks after the hijacking that the two men were together. Her daughter seconded this, saying yes...they were supposed to attend Thanksgiving dinner. Geestman's wife DID attend, and was highly pissed off. This was confirmed by Mrs. Geestman and Jones, as well as Jones' daughter. Jones and Geestman had not heard from each other for more than 15 years, yet both gave the same story.

Fact: Bernie Geestman has lied, but usually those lies were in an effort to distance himself from any possible involvement in Kenny's spending, or the hijacking. I don't think he was lying. Had he known that Jones and his ex-wife had put he and Kenny together over that week, it's certain he would not have said he thought KC could be the hijacker.

The Decoded cast and crew reported that Geestman was questioned for nearly three hours. He refused to answer where he was, the details on why he bought the trailer and wagon just before the hijacking, and virtually anything else. I think he finally just 'broke' a bit near the end and decided to try (again) to blame the hijacking on anyone else except HIM.

'Can you name a single "fact" about Duane Weber, KC, Sailshaw's suspect, or Marla's uncle that connects them with D. B. Cooper?'

KC: Bernie Geestman tells a national television audience that yes...KC could be the hijacker. He fails to mention he was WITH KC for several days over the time of the hijacking. Above and beyond the witness testimony and the other evidence (mostly circumstantial) you have to wonder why would he say such a thing? Why didn't he say he KNEW KC wasn't the guy...because he was WITH him?

Blevins, As I remember it, you have repeatedly called Geestman a liar.

So how do you rate your answer above? Fact, speculation, fabrication, or all three?

Robert99

Fact: Geestman said that. Also a fact: Multiple witnesses who had not communicated with each other in many years put the two men together and missing. The best witness was Helen Jones, who also mentioned Kenny confirmed for her six weeks after the hijacking that the two men were together. Her daughter seconded this, saying yes...they were supposed to attend Thanksgiving dinner. Geestman's wife DID attend, and was highly pissed off. This was confirmed by Mrs. Geestman and Jones, as well as Jones' daughter. Jones and Geestman had not heard from each other for more than 15 years, yet both gave the same story.

Fact: Bernie Geestman has lied, but usually those lies were in an effort to distance himself from any possible involvement in Kenny's spending, or the hijacking. I don't think he was lying. Had he known that Jones and his ex-wife had put he and Kenny together over that week, it's certain he would not have said he thought KC could be the hijacker.

The Decoded cast and crew reported that Geestman was questioned for nearly three hours. He refused to answer where he was, the details on why he bought the trailer and wagon just before the hijacking, and virtually anything else. I think he finally just 'broke' a bit near the end and decided to try (again) to blame the hijacking on anyone else except HIM.

Blevins, Just exactly what in everything you have written above actually connects ANYONE to D. B. Cooper?

'Can you name a single "fact" about Duane Weber, KC, Sailshaw's suspect, or Marla's uncle that connects them with D. B. Cooper?'

KC: Bernie Geestman tells a national television audience that yes...KC could be the hijacker. He fails to mention he was WITH KC for several days over the time of the hijacking. Above and beyond the witness testimony and the other evidence (mostly circumstantial) you have to wonder why would he say such a thing? Why didn't he say he KNEW KC wasn't the guy...because he was WITH him?

Blevins, As I remember it, you have repeatedly called Geestman a liar.

So how do you rate your answer above? Fact, speculation, fabrication, or all three?

Robert99

Fact: Geestman said that. Also a fact: Multiple witnesses who had not communicated with each other in many years put the two men together and missing. The best witness was Helen Jones, who also mentioned Kenny confirmed for her six weeks after the hijacking that the two men were together. Her daughter seconded this, saying yes...they were supposed to attend Thanksgiving dinner. Geestman's wife DID attend, and was highly pissed off. This was confirmed by Mrs. Geestman and Jones, as well as Jones' daughter. Jones and Geestman had not heard from each other for more than 15 years, yet both gave the same story.

Fact: Bernie Geestman has lied, but usually those lies were in an effort to distance himself from any possible involvement in Kenny's spending, or the hijacking. I don't think he was lying. Had he known that Jones and his ex-wife had put he and Kenny together over that week, it's certain he would not have said he thought KC could be the hijacker.

The Decoded cast and crew reported that Geestman was questioned for nearly three hours. He refused to answer where he was, the details on why he bought the trailer and wagon just before the hijacking, and virtually anything else. I think he finally just 'broke' a bit near the end and decided to try (again) to blame the hijacking on anyone else except HIM.

Blevins, Just exactly what in everything you have written above actually connects ANYONE to D. B. Cooper?

Robert99

I appreciate your question, but it's Sunday and I'm just not willing to go over the whole case against Christiansen again. Just ask yourself WHY Geestman would volunteer such a thing. You haven't believed any of the evidence or testimony from the start. Nothing I can say will change that, so let's just agree to disagree. I already know there are people who will never believe the testimony and the evidence. That's understandable. However, there are just as many who do. Until the Seattle FBI puts an end to it one way or another, the question on Christiansen is unsettled. No matter what you may have heard, they have never investigated him.

“You might not agree with her, but why pick on a lady who is old enough to be almost anyone's mother on this thread?

Some of you think you know everything. Others, even though they are smarter than Benji the Dog, have no manners. That's one thing my mother taught me: Manners.”

Gee-whillakers RobertMBlevins, you sure are right about some things, that’s for sure. Elderly are to be respected and NEVER picked upon as they may be old enough to be a mother or even a grandmother or grandfather. We must remember this at all times when ever a person who is senior in years is being addressed. They are by nature, frail and frightened individuals, who only want to make others happy. It’s courageous, no I’m going to type it, HEROIC of you to take a stand and be a man for something, without regard for personal safety, reputation, monetary impact or any ridicule you may experience as a result, of what you so wisely typed less than one day past. I simply wish there was a better word to describe what you put in front of me to consider regarding social graces and conduct.

Yes RobertMBlevins your mother is also deserving of the same recognition of how well she taught you, for it makes me reflect on my own faulty moral and ethical foundation, which I feel can be better conveyed in another art form:

Won’t everyone join RobertMBlevins in celebrating and admiring those of advanced years and try, just try, not everyone is super human; to follow his long lived example? And if I may be so bold, would you mind saying a silent prayer for world peace also, thanks in advance.

'Can you name a single "fact" about Duane Weber, KC, Sailshaw's suspect, or Marla's uncle that connects them with D. B. Cooper?'

KC: Bernie Geestman tells a national television audience that yes...KC could be the hijacker. He fails to mention he was WITH KC for several days over the time of the hijacking. Above and beyond the witness testimony and the other evidence (mostly circumstantial) you have to wonder why would he say such a thing? Why didn't he say he KNEW KC wasn't the guy...because he was WITH him?

Blevins, As I remember it, you have repeatedly called Geestman a liar.

So how do you rate your answer above? Fact, speculation, fabrication, or all three?

Robert99

Fact: Geestman said that. Also a fact: Multiple witnesses who had not communicated with each other in many years put the two men together and missing. The best witness was Helen Jones, who also mentioned Kenny confirmed for her six weeks after the hijacking that the two men were together. Her daughter seconded this, saying yes...they were supposed to attend Thanksgiving dinner. Geestman's wife DID attend, and was highly pissed off. This was confirmed by Mrs. Geestman and Jones, as well as Jones' daughter. Jones and Geestman had not heard from each other for more than 15 years, yet both gave the same story.

Fact: Bernie Geestman has lied, but usually those lies were in an effort to distance himself from any possible involvement in Kenny's spending, or the hijacking. I don't think he was lying. Had he known that Jones and his ex-wife had put he and Kenny together over that week, it's certain he would not have said he thought KC could be the hijacker.

The Decoded cast and crew reported that Geestman was questioned for nearly three hours. He refused to answer where he was, the details on why he bought the trailer and wagon just before the hijacking, and virtually anything else. I think he finally just 'broke' a bit near the end and decided to try (again) to blame the hijacking on anyone else except HIM.

Blevins, Just exactly what in everything you have written above actually connects ANYONE to D. B. Cooper?

Robert99

I appreciate your question, but it's Sunday and I'm just not willing to go over the whole case against Christiansen again. Just ask yourself WHY Geestman would volunteer such a thing. You haven't believed any of the evidence or testimony from the start. Nothing I can say will change that, so let's just agree to disagree. I already know there are people who will never believe the testimony and the evidence. That's understandable. However, there are just as many who do. Until the Seattle FBI puts an end to it one way or another, the question on Christiansen is unsettled. No matter what you may have heard, they have never investigated him.

*Sees pretty blonde singing something about football and NBC*

Blevins, Let's assume for a minute that KC is still alive, that you accuse KC of being Cooper, that you cite Gesstman's behavior and remarks as being the basis of your claim, and that KC decides to sue you for slander.

Assuming that a court would accept the case, would Gesstman even be allowed to testify in the case in your behalf since he has made conflicting statements and even you have publicly called him a liar in an effort to support your own claims about KC?

And if KC's lawyer got you on the witness stand, he would eat you alive.

This comes to me from the guy with how many thousands of posts on this thread? Instead of going on and on and bad-mouthing nice people like Geoff Nelder and Gayla Prociv, you could have just asked me what you wanted to know.

LOL my style alone should tell you I'm the only one who posts here under my own name. How do I it? Well.... I only work maybe five hours a day helping run the housecleaning business, three to four days a week. The rest of the time I'm either out and about or up here in the office. Today I'm watching the Giants and the Browns. (Damn...Giants just picked off the Browns, too)

Let's parse just two of your "wall of ignorance and shame" remarks above:

First, "How do I it? I'm either out and about ..." you say. That's distinctly British grammer, is it not? I didnt know you were British in the early morning hours. I knew Adventire Book's Geoff Nelder and Gayla Prociv were. Are you a trans ... or cross .... overer, who has taken on a British accent and grammer? Ive noticed this same affect in some of your posts before, but just thought you must be posting/visiting Liverpool ?

Now, you continually bring up/criticise and mock my 5428 posts here at Dropzone, claiming something is wrong and a sign of my corruption and embecility vs. your highly refined hi-quality 2236 posts. Its like something one might here on Hannity, ie "Through the lens of a Reactionary"!

Arent you just harrassing me and saying this for affect, without anmy basis in fact for your claims? Isnt that what trolls do?

Applying a little arith-ma-tik, it turns out YOU have almost 3 posts per day in the mere two years you have been here, while I have only 2.2 posts/day in 5 years I have been here!

3.1 versus 2.2 posts per day (Blevins vs. Georger). Blevins has half the total posts I have and has only been here a scant two years!

Moreover, Blevins makes no accounting for quality of posts or words per post,or posts per day in a period! Or repitiions of posts in one day... and fails to provide any metrics from which to judge his absurd statement(s). Blevins always leave out the math vs just throwing claims around... !

So once again, RobertMBlevins turns out to be a - transtruth teller.

Just do the math!

At the rate you are posting, Sir Blevins, you will have upwards of 7500 to 8000 posts or more vs. my 5428 posts, in the same amountof time since I have been here.

'First, "How do I it? I'm either out and about ..." you say. That's distinctly British grammer, is it not? I didnt know you were British in the early morning hours. I knew Adventire Book's Geoff Nelder and Gayla Prociv were. Are you a trans ... or cross .... overer, who has taken on a British accent and grammer? Ive noticed this same affect in some of your posts before, but just thought you must be posting/visiting Liverpool ?'

Gayla isn't a Brit. Neither am I. Although I have wished I WAS from Liverpool so I could have seen the Beatles at the Cavern Club. And your question (does anyone else use my DZ account to post) has been asked and answered. How about this: NO. Ever met a Brit with a name like Prociv? She's from California, LOL. Miss Vista 1978, since you're asking. (And yeah...it's cool to be hooked up with a former beauty queen even if she got that crown many years ago...)

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Now, you continually bring up/criticise and mock my 5428 posts here at Dropzone, claiming something is wrong and a sign of my corruption and embecility vs. your highly refined hi-quality 2236 posts. Its like something one might here on Hannity, ie "Through the lens of a Reactionary"!

Your possible corruption and imbecility are strictly your business.

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Arent you just harrassing me and saying this for affect, without anmy basis in fact for your claims? Isnt that what trolls do?

No one's harrassing you. If you've been called out occasionally, you probably deserved it.

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Applying a little arith-ma-tik, it turns out YOU have almost 3 posts per day in the mere two years you have been here, while I have only 2.2 posts/day in 5 years I have been here!

3.1 versus 2.2 posts per day (Blevins vs. Georger). Blevins has half the total posts I have and has only been here a scant two years!

Really? I wasn't keeping track. How long did you spend figuring that out? Did you use paper and pencil, or just your computer calculator. (*laughs*)

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Moreover, Blevins makes no accounting for quality of posts or words per post,or posts per day in a period! Or repitiions of posts in one day... and fails to provide any metrics from which to judge his absurd statement(s). Blevins always leave out the math vs just throwing claims around... !

I see you are no longer addressing me, but someone else with that. Couldn't really figure it out, so you should ask 'them'. I actually thought some of the posts I make are good. Especially anything with Creedence attached to it. Have you been drinking today by any chance? You don't have to answer that.

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So once again, RobertMBlevins turns out to be a - transtruth teller.

Just do the math!

Blevins you belong on FOX with Hannity.

Hannity? Now that REALLY hurts. I've been a registered Dem my entire voting life. You should do stand-up. You are certainly funny sometimes.

'First, "How do I it? I'm either out and about ..." you say. That's distinctly British grammer, is it not? I didnt know you were British in the early morning hours. I knew Adventire Book's Geoff Nelder and Gayla Prociv were. Are you a trans ... or cross .... overer, who has taken on a British accent and grammer? Ive noticed this same affect in some of your posts before, but just thought you must be posting/visiting Liverpool ?'

Gayla isn't a Brit. Neither am I. Although I have wished I WAS from Liverpool so I could have seen the Beatles at the Cavern Club. And your question (does anyone else use my DZ account to post) has been asked and answered. How about this: NO. Ever met a Brit with a name like Prociv? She's from California, LOL. Miss Vista 1978, since you're asking. (And yeah...it's cool to be hooked up with a former beauty queen even if she got that crown many years ago...)

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Now, you continually bring up/criticise and mock my 5428 posts here at Dropzone, claiming something is wrong and a sign of my corruption and embecility vs. your highly refined hi-quality 2236 posts. Its like something one might here on Hannity, ie "Through the lens of a Reactionary"!

Your possible corruption and imbecility are strictly your business.

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Arent you just harrassing me and saying this for affect, without anmy basis in fact for your claims? Isnt that what trolls do?

No one's harrassing you. If you've been called out occasionally, you probably deserved it.

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Applying a little arith-ma-tik, it turns out YOU have almost 3 posts per day in the mere two years you have been here, while I have only 2.2 posts/day in 5 years I have been here!

3.1 versus 2.2 posts per day (Blevins vs. Georger). Blevins has half the total posts I have and has only been here a scant two years!

Really? I wasn't keeping track. How long did you spend figuring that out? Did you use paper and pencil, or just your computer calculator. (*laughs*)

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Moreover, Blevins makes no accounting for quality of posts or words per post,or posts per day in a period! Or repitiions of posts in one day... and fails to provide any metrics from which to judge his absurd statement(s). Blevins always leave out the math vs just throwing claims around... !

I see you are no longer addressing me, but someone else with that. Couldn't really figure it out, so you should ask 'them'. I actually thought some of the posts I make are good. Especially anything with Creedence attached to it. Have you been drinking today by any chance? You don't have to answer that.

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So once again, RobertMBlevins turns out to be a - transtruth teller.

Just do the math!

Blevins you belong on FOX with Hannity.

Hannity? Now that REALLY hurts. I've been a registered Dem my entire voting life. You should do stand-up. You are certainly funny sometimes.

At the rate you are posting, Sir Blevins, you will have upwards of 7500 to 8000 posts or more vs. my 5428 posts, in the same amount of time since I have been here.

You must be the answer to Dropzone's dream to close down this thread, by posting it into total useless oblivion filled with your personal hate. Congrats!

Does he get any dignity or peace in his twilight years? He so richly deserves this small courtesy since he is in his mid eighties. Does anyone care besides me?

I’m probably going to have a sleepless night after reviewing all this raw, naked and unprovoked savagery unloosed on a frail, kind and to be respected man. Well, at least we know what an invertebrate would probably type, if they had thumbs, and a neuromuscular system capable of such a task. But they don’t, so we’ll just have to settle for this painful parade, of hostile epithets, mercilessly lobbed at a person who may struggle with digesting tapioca, let alone his own ass handed to him on an electronic plate.

Bernie wasn’t abused by anyone’s hand, he was defiled by their being, which is inescapable. For the hours and hours that Bernie was kept in a sleazy, pay by the hour motel, which reeked of cheap booze and anonymous coitus, was he allowed to relieve himself? I notice that he is still wearing a jacket when he finally cracks, on that TV show masquerading as some sort of history program. I’m sure that if they kept him in there any longer than three hours, it may well have turned into some sort of ‘snuff’ flick. It was real nice of the crew to take Bernie to the restaurant in the parking lot after his inquisition. Did they even offer some time to nap in the motel before he began a several hours drive home? Cretins.

If Lyle had said in a 2007 radio interview his brother WAS the hijacker, would you believe him? Would that convince you Kenny Christiansen was the hijacker? Of course not. The door swings both ways. Lyle didn't know whether or not his brother was the hijacker. So his opinion on it is worthless.

Lyle was watching a program on TV called Unsolved Mysteries regarding Cooper when he decided that his brother might be Cooper. He formed this opinion on that night watching that program. He did NOT attempt to contact the FBI, but instead wrote a letter to a movie producer. Supposedly she didn't get the letter and it ended up on Porteous's desk.

Robt, you cannot make that go away. Porteous had already shared his information with Gray who wrote an article before any investigation could be done. I do not remember the sequence - perhaps Porteous contacted the FBI - since I knew and had spoke with the individuals involved I felt NO threat and continued as usual - regarding Weber.

What I do find WRONG about the complete scenario is that Lyle contacted a movie producer 1st and NOT the FBI! He was "watching a Unsolved Mysteries program about Cooper" (THESE ARE LYLE'S WORDS)"and decide his brother could be Cooper". He knew little about his own brother and the Cooper case.... he "just thought it would make a good story".

After Gray does the article the man just went along for the ride not realizing he could taint the story for any REAL Cooper suspects.

In so far as Geestman goes it is very much the same scenario that played out with Lyle. These old geezers were playing around with this - and it just got out of hand.

When journalist and writers start contacting them - they had to save face. I appreciate how Geestman stood down. He tried to let the others know the position they were putting themselves in - but, they were already dealing with "their" celebrity status.

This is where I differ from the other individuals who have come forward - 1st thing I did was CALL the FBI. I am sure the person I talked to remembers the conversation. Wanted to know if I was drinking or taking drugs - prescription or non prescription! Yes, I did have 2 glasses of wine, but only after I contacted the FBI with that first phone call. Then several pages over into the book - I am calling them again - it was ALL there. This was my awakening - Duane had told me - he was Dan Cooooper, 14 months before I ever picked up that damn book and by page 13 or 14 was on the phone to the FBI.

My first gut reaction was to call the FBI - not a publisher or movie producer!

If my information is accurate Marla was already working on a book BEFORE she contact a law enforcement agent!

If all of the above is correct - why was their re-action NOT the same as mine? I am sure the FBI made a tape of those conversations - anyone who would listen to them would know there was a very distraught woman on the other end and not some person looking for a book, movie or attention. What I had just realize about my deceased husband defied all that I stood for - You Do the Crime - You Do the Time!

Because what I told the FBI was NOT fabricated or being done for profit or because it might make a good story - it was a NATURAL response for me to pick-up the phone and call the FBI. I knew nothing about Cooper except what I was reading in that book.

I didn't even wait to get past the first few pages. The FBI put me down, but I continued to read - and then was BACK on the phone - pleading with them to listen to what I was saying! Everything I knew about Duane suddenly made sense!

Duane had been dead for 14 months, I had just started a new career and I was being sought out by eligible men in our area. I was never a person to seek fame or position - I was just happy being loved and being a good wife....I had the house and his insurance - so I was not doing without anything. My life was looking good and I was still young.

Damn Duane - Damn HIM! I loved him and will always remember his touch and his smile and how he knew just how to handle my temper - but his confession stole the next 17 yrs of my life fighting to finish his story and for others to see that bad can be good.

Jo WEBER did NOT approach this thing the way other did - she let her heart lead her and she let her memories guide her. For that I have spent 17 ys in a prison called HELL!

He was my husband of 17 yrs - how can I walk away form it - he was telling me the truths and then with the other storys I would learn about WEBER, I felt humiliated and that my life had fallen and I had failed him and angry at him for NOT giving me a heads up before he died or was too sick to tell me. I just did NOT know how to appoarch my feelings- I didn't really want to know!

I KEPT THINKING IT WOULD JUST GO ALWAY AND I WOULD GET A PHONE CALL TELLING ME THERE WAS NO WAY - BUT THAT PHONE CALL NEVER ARRIVED.

Weber was placed right there and was as a prime suspect. Dan Cooper was the only real SKY Jacker. He made that just because they needed money and all those yr there were outstand warrents for Webber in other placel

DAMN DUANE - why DID HE HAVE TO TELL ME he was Cooper.? Why didnt he just keep his damn Cooper and let if be.

Does he get any dignity or peace in his twilight years? He so richly deserves this small courtesy since he is in his mid eighties. Does anyone care besides me?

I’m probably going to have a sleepless night after reviewing all this raw, naked and unprovoked savagery unloosed on a frail, kind and to be respected man. Well, at least we know what an invertebrate would probably type, if they had thumbs, and a neuromuscular system capable of such a task. But they don’t, so we’ll just have to settle for this painful parade, of hostile epithets, mercilessly lobbed at a person who may struggle with digesting tapioca, let alone his own ass handed to him on an electronic plate.

Bernie wasn’t abused by anyone’s hand, he was defiled by their being, which is inescapable. For the hours and hours that Bernie was kept in a sleazy, pay by the hour motel, which reeked of cheap booze and anonymous coitus, was he allowed to relieve himself? I notice that he is still wearing a jacket when he finally cracks, on that TV show masquerading as some sort of history program. I’m sure that if they kept him in there any longer than three hours, it may well have turned into some sort of ‘snuff’ flick. It was real nice of the crew to take Bernie to the restaurant in the parking lot after his inquisition. Did they even offer some time to nap in the motel before he began a several hours drive home? Cretins.

Discovery had a program on tonight: "Discovery Channel crashes 727 in 'Curiosity' season premiere".

It was a controled crash in order to measure destructive effects inside an airliner. The crew bailed out in tandem at about 160 km/h using the rear stairs,several minutes prior to impact. I noticed the bailouts were all face forward, with one pair and the pilot (an experienced skydiver) leaping half way down the stairs ... the stairs were fully out and down during all of the tests and final jumps ...worth a watch. None of these people backed down the stairs to exit.

Says: Discovery had a program on tonight: "Discovery Channel crashes 727 in 'Curiosity' season premiere".

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The program on the Discovery Channel was very interesting for us on the DropZone as the crew and pilot jumped out the back of the 727 just like DB Cooper. It is a myth buster in that they all just dove aft through the opening and into a stable position (belly down and arms and legs extended) and did it from about 5 steps down the airstair (the lower moving part of the airstair was removed from the hinge point and down). They were facing aft and were stable right away, no tumble, dis-orientation, or excessive slip stream beating. They seemed to delay pulling their rip cords about 10 seconds. It made the jump that DB did look very easy except it was not at night or raining.

The crash of the 727 was interesting as it looked to me like the forward section of the body of the airplane broke loose at about the attach point for the 41 section (41 section is the first 410 inches of the of the body - 34+ feet - Yes Boeing planes are designed in inches point XXX - not in feet). That nose separation was caused by the nose gear down and getting stuck in the sand and causing the nose to dive down and snap loose. The nose could have survived better if the nose gear were up and would have been better for the pilot, co-pilot etc

The decelerations measured 12 g's in the first class section and only 6 g's in the aft tail seating. Again showing it is safer to be in the aft seating in a crash.

It’s pretty obvious that Bernie was thoroughly abused on that pathetic TV program.

Has Bernie been sent any sort of apology, fruit bowl or meat basket? Or has this been ‘forgotten’ just like the long overdue apology to Bruce Smith and Bill Rataczak, who were used a foils in some story about Captain Scott talking to DB Cooper? Just another form of abuse where a person views themselves as centric to every situation with an inflated sensitivity about other’s transgressions, real or typically imagined.

Potential membership relies on your intent counselor. If you go up with the intention of jumping anyway.. and something bad happens to the plane you do not get to join the club.

Face it, every time you throw your body out the door of an airplane, will need to do SOMETHING to save your life... but your intent is different than that of the driver of the plane who wears a bailout rig “just in case” who thinks you are all nutz anyway.

Potential membership relies on your intent counselor. If you go up with the intention of jumping anyway.. and something bad happens to the plane you do not get to join the club.

Yeah, I know that from first hand experience Amazon. In 1973 I jumped from a Cessna 180 that crashed and killed the pilot about 2 minutes after I exited. Nothing was wrong when I left the aircraft.

I thought somehow the pilot might have survived and could be saved, so I threw my rig off and ran to the wreckage. I was the first to reach the the crash scene and what I saw was just awful. I still have nightmares about it decades later. One minute a friend is alive and well and a second later he is literally torn apart.

Potential membership relies on your intent counselor. If you go up with the intention of jumping anyway.. and something bad happens to the plane you do not get to join the club.

Yeah, I know that from first hand experience Amazon. In 1973 I jumped from a Cessna 180 that crashed and killed the pilot about 2 minutes after I exited. Nothing was wrong when I left the aircraft.

I thought somehow the pilot might have survived and could be saved, so I threw my rig off and ran to the wreckage. I was the first to reach the the crash scene and what I saw was just awful. I still have nightmares about it decades later. One minute a friend is alive and well and a second later he is literally torn apart.

377, The fact that the seat belt was unfastened post-crash doesn't necessairly mean that it was unfastened pre-crash. I know of cases where the seat belts were known to have been fastened before but unfastened after the fatal crash.

Somehow and in some manner, the seat belts became unfastened during the impact/rebound and other wild gyrations the structure went through during the break up process. I think the FAA was aware of this in the late 1950s or early 1960s.

This may have been a problem with a specific type of belt. Such as the the one with the belt pulled through the buckle as opposed to the metal-to-metal belt buckles. I suspect that the Cessna had the first type of seat belt.

The possibility that the pilot was attempting a deliberate snap roll at 30 feet or so is beyond comprehension. Snap rolls are essentially a violent spin in a horizontal direction and your friend had enough experience to know that. And under the given conditions, he had enough experience to know the expected outcome. I would suspect that there were other causes involved in this.