I don't see why not, he's got nothing to hide. The question is, why don't they just make it mandatory for all fighters to do so. Would it stop the cheaters? History says no, not 100% but it couldn't hurt and would make it a lot more difficult if you do decide to go the route of PEDs. Otherwise might as well let it all hang out and scrap the drug tests altogether. A lot of fans would prefer it that way

I like what VADA is doing and trying to clean up MMA but I really do think fighters are using this as more of a PR job saying they will sign up for a PED test that is coming in the next few months regardless of the time.

I don't see why not, he's got nothing to hide. The question is, why don't they just make it mandatory for all fighters to do so. Would it stop the cheaters? History says no, not 100% but it couldn't hurt and would make it a lot more difficult if you do decide to go the route of PEDs. Otherwise might as well let it all hang out and scrap the drug tests altogether. A lot of fans would prefer it that way

You couldn't of put it any simpler.
I think that it should be mandatory infact i think it should of been made so a long time ago

I don't see why not, he's got nothing to hide. The question is, why don't they just make it mandatory for all fighters to do so. Would it stop the cheaters? History says no, not 100% but it couldn't hurt and would make it a lot more difficult if you do decide to go the route of PEDs. Otherwise might as well let it all hang out and scrap the drug tests altogether. A lot of fans would prefer it that way

Couple of reasons why they don't have VADA test everyone

1 - It's expensive. The UFC seemingly don't want to pay the lower fighters a few grand more, why would they spend more than that per fighter on additional testing when Commissions test.

2 - They don't want top fighters to start failing drugs tests. I've seen fighters claim anywhere from 50% to 95% (and the classic "everyone except me") of other fighters use PEDs. If top fighters started getting suspended left, right & centre that would be bad business for the UFC.

This should be an extra measure taken for title fights. Like how there's no 1 lb allowance at weigh ins, there should be more rigorous drug testing as well. It would help prevent fighters who may be juicing from becoming champs. Though, I'm not familiar with the difference between normal AC testing and what Vada does. Do they draw blood and test Olympic style?

I don't see why not, he's got nothing to hide. The question is, why don't they just make it mandatory for all fighters to do so. Would it stop the cheaters? History says no, not 100% but it couldn't hurt and would make it a lot more difficult if you do decide to go the route of PEDs. Otherwise might as well let it all hang out and scrap the drug tests altogether. A lot of fans would prefer it that way

why don't they just make it mandatory for all fighters to do so.
They should if they really wanted to stop it, Makes you wonder ?

This should be an extra measure taken for title fights. Like how there's no 1 lb allowance at weigh ins, there should be more rigorous drug testing as well. It would help prevent fighters who may be juicing from becoming champs. Though, I'm not familiar with the difference between normal AC testing and what Vada does. Do they draw blood and test Olympic style?

They do blood testing & they can test at random. It might be one days notice they have to give but they can turn up at your door step & you have to give them a sample that day.

They do blood testing & they can test at random. It might be one days notice they have to give but they can turn up at your door step & you have to give them a sample that day.

Sounds good. I'd like to see this done especially if Vitor gets a title shot. Not because I think he's cheating and would get caught but because I don't think he's cheating at all and would like to take ammunition away from his critics if he wins.

Sounds good. I'd like to see this done especially if Vitor gets a title shot. Not because I think he's cheating and would get caught but because I don't think he's cheating at all and would like to take ammunition away from his critics if he wins.

As long as he's on TRT, with his drugs test history, there's going to be critics.

As long as he's on TRT, with his drugs test history, there's going to be critics.

Sure. I don't get it, especially after DW came out and said Vitor was being completely fair and keeping his levels low. Even below normal. But there are always critics. If Vitor passes a vada test, the critics look even more wrong though.

Sure. I don't get it, especially after DW came out and said Vitor was being completely fair and keeping his levels low. Even below normal. But there are always critics.

I guarantee if Vitor, got his a$$ handed to him instead of completely dominating (understatement)Bisping and Rockhold people wouldn't even be bringing it up. Funny how he is the poster boy even though DW has been adamant about his cooperation during the training camp thru to the fights. There is no magic involved here just taking advantage of what's legally available, no different than taking supplements that are accepted. Until TRT is not a legal option that's just how it is. Since the UFC is testing the participants through out the camp, there's less chance of shenannigans then the guys juicing their A$$es off and masking it, wich is where mandatory VADA testing would be the best option, expensive or not.
There's always the other option: F uck Testing all together! Haha Gladiator Style!!
Mandatory PEDs administered by a Dr. who specializes in genetics, everyone gets the same dose!

Sure. I don't get it, especially after DW came out and said Vitor was being completely fair and keeping his levels low. Even below normal. But there are always critics. If Vitor passes a vada test, the critics look even more wrong though.

We've been through this before, so there's no point debating this again, but my issue isn't about whether or not he's got high T levels then bringing them down when he fights. It's that someone who has taken steroids before (which can cause the body to produce less testosterone) is being allowed to take steroids now because his body isn't producing enough testosterone. I don't really agree with TRT at all, but especially for guys that have failed drugs tests before.

Anyway, as I said, we've had that debate before and it just went round in circles, no point ruining another thread.

We've been through this before, so there's no point debating this again, but my issue isn't about whether or not he's got high T levels then bringing them down when he fights. It's that someone who has taken steroids before (which can cause the body to produce less testosterone) is being allowed to take steroids now because his body isn't producing enough testosterone. I don't really agree with TRT at all, but especially for guys that have failed drugs tests before.

Anyway, as I said, we've had that debate before and it just went round in circles, no point ruining another thread.

So in your' opinion, what's the solution? I would love it if all participants in MMA/WMMA were 100 % Clean and fighting on ability, hard work/Training,natural supplementation etc. That's not the case, so what is the Answer?

So in your' opinion, what's the solution? I would love it if all participants in MMA/WMMA were 100 % Clean and fighting on ability, hard work/Training,natural supplementation etc. That's not the case, so what is the Answer?

I'm pretty sure you would do away with TRT all together? Drug testing in general

Yeah, I don't see any reason for TRT to be legal. If someone has low T from weight cutting too much, then that's what they get for gaming the system. If they have low T from taking too many punches then it's time to retire. And if they've got low T from past steroid use then that's their own fault. Unfortunately there is a marginally small chance that someone with low testosterone for a legitimate reason wouldn't be able to compete, but the chances of that are extremely small. Testosterone declines at a slow rate naturally & someone with hypogonadism from early in life is unlikely to become an athlete anyway. Actually, I guess if someone had proof that they've suffered from hypogonadism throughout their life then I'd make an exception for them to receive TRT.

For drugs testing in general, if the UFC really wanted their fighters to be clean they'd start by getting an outside organisation (like VADA or USADA) to do random urine & blood testing throughout the whole year, and test carbon isotope ratios. I'm sure there are other, more advanced tests available that I'm unaware of too. It would cost a bit but it's necessary for a clean sport. Basic urine tests alone are useless and even more useless when fighters know pretty much the exact date that they're getting tested. Athletic Commissions do what they can, but with their budgets they're never going to be able to get rid of drugs cheats.

But this is all assuming the UFC wants to get rid of fighters who use steroids, but i don't think they actually do.