Federal Judge in Hawaii Has blocked Travel Ban Hours before it is to Take Effect

The notion that one can demonstrate animus toward any group of people only by targeting all of them at once is fundamentally flawed. The Court
declines to relegate its Establishment Clause analysis to a purely mathematical exercise.

MY QUESTION IS THIS WHY THE HECK IF SAUDI ARABIA IS SO RICH AND A BASTION OF THE RELIGION OF PEACE NOT TAKING IN THE FIRST ONE OF THESE REFUGEES
?

Holy caps.

Saudi Arabia has issued 100,000 residency permits to Syrian refugees.

edit on 15-3-2017 by reldra because: (no reason given)

Numbers vary, but going back to 2011, the number is higher no matter what source is consulted.

Saudi foreign ministry officials claim that the nation has received nearly 2.5 million Syrians since 2011.[10][11]However, the BBC reports that
Saudi Arabia has let in 500,000 Syrian refugees since 2011,[12] while Arab News reported that Saudi Arabia was already home to 500,000 Syrians[13]
Saudi Arabia claims to have granted 100,000 Syrians residency. An official from Saudi Arabia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs stated that Saudi Arabia
"made it a point not to deal with them as 'refugees'."[6]

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
This judge was appointed by Obama, this is a purely political decision. This man should be held accountable if anyone from these countries comes in
and commit crimes.

What crimes? There has been a grand total of 0 crimes by Muslim immigrants who are not citizens since 9/11 (that most think the U.S. did anyway). All
the most heinous crimes are committed by American citizens. Maybe he should concentrate on like.. actual crime in the U.S., and not worry so much
about fake crime.

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
This judge was appointed by Obama, this is a purely political decision. This man should be held accountable if anyone from these countries comes in
and commit crimes.

What crimes? There has been a grand total of 0 crimes by Muslim immigrants who are not citizens since 9/11 (that most think the U.S. did anyway). All
the most heinous crimes are committed by American citizens. Maybe he should concentrate on like.. actual crime in the U.S., and not worry so much
about fake crime.

So this part of the EO is all lies?

Recent history shows that some of those who have entered the United States through our immigration system have proved to be threats to our national
security. Since 2001, hundreds of persons born abroad have been convicted of terrorism-related crimes in the United States. They have included not
just persons who came here legally on visas but also individuals who first entered the country as refugees. For example, in January 2013, two Iraqi
nationals admitted to the United States as refugees in 2009 were sentenced to 40 years and to life in prison, respectively, for multiple
terrorism-related offenses. And in October 2014, a native of Somalia who had been brought to the United States as a child refugee and later became a
naturalized United States citizen was sentenced to 30 years in prison for attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction as part of a plot to detonate
a bomb at a crowded Christmas-tree-lighting ceremony in Portland, Oregon. The Attorney General has reported to me that more than 300 persons who
entered the United States as refugees are currently the subjects of counterterrorism investigations by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

The notion that one can demonstrate animus toward any group of people only by targeting all of them at once is fundamentally flawed. The Court
declines to relegate its Establishment Clause analysis to a purely mathematical exercise.

Sounds like he relegated it to his feelings.

Sure. It may sound like that if you don't understand the concept behind the Establishment Clause.

What it means is that the principle that protects us from governments taking certain actions, protects everyone...from the whole collective down to
the single individual. That is why the judge said what he did.

The Court declines to relegate its Establishment Clause analysis to a purely mathematical exercise.

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
This judge was appointed by Obama, this is a purely political decision. This man should be held accountable if anyone from these countries comes in
and commit crimes.

What crimes? There has been a grand total of 0 crimes by Muslim immigrants who are not citizens since 9/11 (that most think the U.S. did anyway). All
the most heinous crimes are committed by American citizens. Maybe he should concentrate on like.. actual crime in the U.S., and not worry so much
about fake crime.

So this part of the EO is all lies?

Recent history shows that some of those who have entered the United States through our immigration system have proved to be threats to our national
security. Since 2001, hundreds of persons born abroad have been convicted of terrorism-related crimes in the United States. They have included not
just persons who came here legally on visas but also individuals who first entered the country as refugees. For example, in January 2013, two Iraqi
nationals admitted to the United States as refugees in 2009 were sentenced to 40 years and to life in prison, respectively, for multiple
terrorism-related offenses. And in October 2014, a native of Somalia who had been brought to the United States as a child refugee and later became a
naturalized United States citizen was sentenced to 30 years in prison for attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction as part of a plot to detonate
a bomb at a crowded Christmas-tree-lighting ceremony in Portland, Oregon. The Attorney General has reported to me that more than 300 persons who
entered the United States as refugees are currently the subjects of counterterrorism investigations by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Oddly, there is no source. But nothing happened. The one mentioned was someone brought here as a child, a citizen. Who is this 'ME', noted, as in
'said to ME'?

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
This judge was appointed by Obama, this is a purely political decision. This man should be held accountable if anyone from these countries comes in
and commit crimes.

What crimes? There has been a grand total of 0 crimes by Muslim immigrants who are not citizens since 9/11 (that most think the U.S. did anyway). All
the most heinous crimes are committed by American citizens. Maybe he should concentrate on like.. actual crime in the U.S., and not worry so much
about fake crime.

So this part of the EO is all lies?

Recent history shows that some of those who have entered the United States through our immigration system have proved to be threats to our national
security. Since 2001, hundreds of persons born abroad have been convicted of terrorism-related crimes in the United States. They have included not
just persons who came here legally on visas but also individuals who first entered the country as refugees. For example, in January 2013, two Iraqi
nationals admitted to the United States as refugees in 2009 were sentenced to 40 years and to life in prison, respectively, for multiple
terrorism-related offenses. And in October 2014, a native of Somalia who had been brought to the United States as a child refugee and later became a
naturalized United States citizen was sentenced to 30 years in prison for attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction as part of a plot to detonate
a bomb at a crowded Christmas-tree-lighting ceremony in Portland, Oregon. The Attorney General has reported to me that more than 300 persons who
entered the United States as refugees are currently the subjects of counterterrorism investigations by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Oddly, there is no source. But nothing happened. The one mentioned was someone brought here as a child, a citizen. Who is this 'ME', noted, as in
'said to ME'?

You expect the EO to have all the sources?
There's no way they are going to put that into the EO if it's not valid.
Obviously the 'Me' is the president, you know, Donald Trump? The guy who signed the EO?
Why did that part confuse you?

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
This judge was appointed by Obama, this is a purely political decision. This man should be held accountable if anyone from these countries comes in
and commit crimes.

What crimes? There has been a grand total of 0 crimes by Muslim immigrants who are not citizens since 9/11 (that most think the U.S. did anyway). All
the most heinous crimes are committed by American citizens. Maybe he should concentrate on like.. actual crime in the U.S., and not worry so much
about fake crime.

So this part of the EO is all lies?

Recent history shows that some of those who have entered the United States through our immigration system have proved to be threats to our national
security. Since 2001, hundreds of persons born abroad have been convicted of terrorism-related crimes in the United States. They have included not
just persons who came here legally on visas but also individuals who first entered the country as refugees. For example, in January 2013, two Iraqi
nationals admitted to the United States as refugees in 2009 were sentenced to 40 years and to life in prison, respectively, for multiple
terrorism-related offenses. And in October 2014, a native of Somalia who had been brought to the United States as a child refugee and later became a
naturalized United States citizen was sentenced to 30 years in prison for attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction as part of a plot to detonate
a bomb at a crowded Christmas-tree-lighting ceremony in Portland, Oregon. The Attorney General has reported to me that more than 300 persons who
entered the United States as refugees are currently the subjects of counterterrorism investigations by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Oddly, there is no source. But nothing happened. The one mentioned was someone brought here as a child, a citizen. Who is this 'ME', noted, as in
'said to ME'?

You expect the EO to have all the sources?
There's no way they are going to put that into the EO if it's not valid.

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
This judge was appointed by Obama, this is a purely political decision. This man should be held accountable if anyone from these countries comes in
and commit crimes.

What crimes? There has been a grand total of 0 crimes by Muslim immigrants who are not citizens since 9/11 (that most think the U.S. did anyway). All
the most heinous crimes are committed by American citizens. Maybe he should concentrate on like.. actual crime in the U.S., and not worry so much
about fake crime.

So this part of the EO is all lies?

Recent history shows that some of those who have entered the United States through our immigration system have proved to be threats to our national
security. Since 2001, hundreds of persons born abroad have been convicted of terrorism-related crimes in the United States. They have included not
just persons who came here legally on visas but also individuals who first entered the country as refugees. For example, in January 2013, two Iraqi
nationals admitted to the United States as refugees in 2009 were sentenced to 40 years and to life in prison, respectively, for multiple
terrorism-related offenses. And in October 2014, a native of Somalia who had been brought to the United States as a child refugee and later became a
naturalized United States citizen was sentenced to 30 years in prison for attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction as part of a plot to detonate
a bomb at a crowded Christmas-tree-lighting ceremony in Portland, Oregon. The Attorney General has reported to me that more than 300 persons who
entered the United States as refugees are currently the subjects of counterterrorism investigations by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Oddly, there is no source. But nothing happened. The one mentioned was someone brought here as a child, a citizen. Who is this 'ME', noted, as in
'said to ME'?

You expect the EO to have all the sources?
There's no way they are going to put that into the EO if it's not valid.

The notion that one can demonstrate animus toward any group of people only by targeting all of them at once is fundamentally flawed. The Court
declines to relegate its Establishment Clause analysis to a purely mathematical exercise.

Sounds like he relegated it to his feelings.

Sure. It may sound like that if you don't understand the concept behind the Establishment Clause.

What it means is that the principle that protects us from governments taking certain actions, protects everyone...from the whole collective down to
the single individual. That is why the judge said what he did.

The Court declines to relegate its Establishment Clause analysis to a purely mathematical exercise.

I'm fairly certain it doesn't protect everyone. As a non-American myself, I could only wish for such protection. I'm not sure attributing motives to
the judge is a good idea, given the inherent bias in such a claim.

originally posted by: TruMcCarthy
This judge was appointed by Obama, this is a purely political decision. This man should be held accountable if anyone from these countries comes in
and commit crimes.

What crimes? There has been a grand total of 0 crimes by Muslim immigrants who are not citizens since 9/11 (that most think the U.S. did anyway). All
the most heinous crimes are committed by American citizens. Maybe he should concentrate on like.. actual crime in the U.S., and not worry so much
about fake crime.

So this part of the EO is all lies?

Recent history shows that some of those who have entered the United States through our immigration system have proved to be threats to our national
security. Since 2001, hundreds of persons born abroad have been convicted of terrorism-related crimes in the United States. They have included not
just persons who came here legally on visas but also individuals who first entered the country as refugees. For example, in January 2013, two Iraqi
nationals admitted to the United States as refugees in 2009 were sentenced to 40 years and to life in prison, respectively, for multiple
terrorism-related offenses. And in October 2014, a native of Somalia who had been brought to the United States as a child refugee and later became a
naturalized United States citizen was sentenced to 30 years in prison for attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction as part of a plot to detonate
a bomb at a crowded Christmas-tree-lighting ceremony in Portland, Oregon. The Attorney General has reported to me that more than 300 persons who
entered the United States as refugees are currently the subjects of counterterrorism investigations by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

Oddly, there is no source. But nothing happened. The one mentioned was someone brought here as a child, a citizen. Who is this 'ME', noted, as in
'said to ME'?

You expect the EO to have all the sources?
There's no way they are going to put that into the EO if it's not valid.

originally posted by: yuppa
This judge needs to be blocked when his re certification comes up from practicing law. this one was properly written and reviwed. it was totally
compliant.

Ok how about this. All immigration is shut down for 5 yrs. only green card holders and tourist allowwed. Its time to play dirty.

US District Judges don't have any "certifications" come up. They are appointed by a President with the consent of the Senate. And your plan would
block Albert Einstein, Robert J. Oppenheimer (who designed the bomb that won WWII), Leo Szilard (who wrote the letter to FDR that started the
Manhatten Project), half the guys at Microsoft, Google and Apple.

The notion that one can demonstrate animus toward any group of people only by targeting all of them at once is fundamentally flawed. The Court
declines to relegate its Establishment Clause analysis to a purely mathematical exercise.

Sounds like he relegated it to his feelings.

Sure. It may sound like that if you don't understand the concept behind the Establishment Clause.

What it means is that the principle that protects us from governments taking certain actions, protects everyone...from the whole collective down to
the single individual. That is why the judge said what he did.

The Court declines to relegate its Establishment Clause analysis to a purely mathematical exercise.

I'm fairly certain it doesn't protect everyone. As a non-American myself, I could only wish for such protection. I'm not sure attributing motives to
the judge is a good idea, given the inherent bias in such a claim.

Good, don't assign motives to the judge then. The judge interpreted the clause as to not have to mean all countries that are Muslim majority to be
included to be in violation of the clause. That is what the judge said. People are attempting to assign all types of motives to him other than that.

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