Took me a while to eventually see this on dvd, I was expecting it be better, wasn't bad. More good than bad, Force awakens allowed you care more for the characters, I'm not sure why I felt so removed from the main characters. Speaking of which Forest Whitaker was a let down of Ewan McGregor proportions, Sol Guerrero was probably the most annoying character since Binks. On the plus side, everything else was amazing.

I'm going to escape, come back, wipe this place off the face of the Earth, obliterate it and you with it.

They jumped into action too quickly and didn't let you grow to care about the characters before they were put in jeopardy. That is why we don't care about them and it feels a bit flat. On a second viewing you care a bit more about the characters because you spent the first viewing with them. They'd have been wise to have spent a few more moments with the characters to make them endearing - an exchange between Jyn Erso and a fellow prisoner that gave us insight into who she had become before we see the 'jail break' could have done a lot to draw us into the film. As long as we connect to Jyn, the film works.

Now its on dvd, glad to have seen it again and had my view that it is a good film confirmed.

TFA really didn't stand multiple viewings (except on Jakku), but this does. Thoughts after a couple more viewings...

Tarkin is less of a big deal when you are no longer watching every tick to the exclusion of everything else in frame. It is basically fine - we're all just hypersensitive about this shit because of George fucking Lucas.

The Darth Vader / Krennic scene really does not need to be in this film. And Darth Vader should never be doing bad puns.

The proportion of K2SO's dialog that is a punchline is just a little too high. It gets to the point where the fact he is speaking telegraphs that this will be a joke.

The balance of reusing ideas/styles/equipment/jokes from previous films works well in the core story. But there are too many obvious easter egg script inserts. The guys from the Mos Eisley cantina really did not need to be in this.

The ending is satisfying in a way that no star wars film has been since the first one.

I love how little they feel the need to explain shit in this film.

Seeing the death star from the PoV of the people about to get blown up is properly scary and a great use of us never having seen that before.

The whole film feels like they had more confidence in what they were doing than tFA did.

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They jumped into action too quickly and didn't let you grow to care about the characters before they were put in jeopardy.

Yep agreed, I would have liked to seen how Jyn developed under Guerrero (except having to be subjected to more of Whitakers' over-acting). But that was definitely I think the root of the problem not getting enough back story, or any injected story lines.

Agreed on the Darth Vader pun, it definitely jarred. Somebody else was reading the Jeffrey Brown illustrations to their kids.

The ending was great with Vader ripping through everyone but then slightly messed up by cgi Leia, more bride of Frankenstein. Really should have obscured her and I think we would have got the idea. They were at times using a sledgehammer to crack the nut.

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I'm going to escape, come back, wipe this place off the face of the Earth, obliterate it and you with it.

I thought cgi Leia was fine. The thing that jarred in that scene was that it had none of the urgency and tension that the previous shots were full of. Was clearly put together by a different team. The flat 'serious people lined up' construction was reminiscent of the terrible closing shots from aNH, RotJ and tPM.

Also, I didn't need more origin story, but would have appreciated more time on the blue rainy planet for Jan Ors to grow more and demonstrate her competence in leading the team. I didn't buy the way the hardbitten rebel saboteurs all join her suicide mission without her having demonstrated any ability to lead it. The emotional development is fine - it just needs a little agency to go along with it.

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I agree with your point, though. I think she was quite unmemorable in general, and I had to suspend my disbelief (which I am good at) in order to buy into the fact that these guys would go along with her at all. To me, this whole movie was audio/visual spectacle, and I am fine with that.

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I've already watched it twice on Netflix. It's a fucking awesome movie, tied for my favorite with Empire and ANH, I decided they're all amazing in their own ways. I want to see TFA a couple more times to see how I feel about it, seeing it in the theater on release weekend was too biasing.

My argument in the Last Jedi thread basically boiled down to 'SEE THIS MOVIE!?!?!?!'

I've watched this movie multiple times now, and I almost NEVER re-watch movies. It is awesome and probably the best Star Wars movie ever put to film.

"My great-grandfather did not travel across four thousand miles of the Atlantic Ocean to see this nation overrun by immigrants. He did it because he killed a man back in Ireland. That's the rumor."-Stephen Colbert

When I thought Disney was going to pump out Star Wars movies I was hoping they will look something more like this. Unfortunately whatever talent that went into making this wasn't shared with the rest of the studio.