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Yeah, but the original characterization of the Lunars was pretty one-sided. They came off as a bit like this:

...I'm not exaggerating. Like that, only wearing bearskins and loincloths (because they were barbarians, see.)

O.O Please tell, what comic is this frame from?

My avatar used to be a W.S.D. (Weapon of Sanity Destruction)
"I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it."

Originally Posted by tomaO2

After reading the Dominic Deagen forum threads, can you really accuse me of bashing? Read it again. That is the kind of thing that is pure venom. They don't even take it seriously anymore. It's just done for fun.

If you were to use D&D terms, I'd say L was True Neutral. Definitely not Evil, probably not really Good - he was a decent fellow at times but too much more concerned with his goals than with people's well-being to belong on that end of the spectrum. The dedicated detective is a typically Lawful Neutral archetype, but L wasn't Lawful so, thus, he was True Neutral.

His goal was to catch the criminals that no-one else could, and didn't pay much mind to morality or ethics either way. So, TN.

L wasn't villainous, he just only had one dot in Charisma and Appearance each and none in Socialize. So, kinda like Flame, only smaller and without the killing.

I was referring to Light as the protagonist. Light is the only character to be in every episode of Death Note, from first until last, and half the time we're just waiting to see what Light will do to escape from L's latest plot.

I think he'd be Conviction 5, probably Compassion 1. But I'll admit, I haven't actually read the manga- I just know about the general premise and his 'kill all lawbreakers' plan.

I think he'd need *negative* compassion if such a thing existed. His plan was to kill off all the murderers, then all the criminals, then all the lazy people. To do which he was willing to do horrible, horrible, hideous things to people who met his ideals but disagreed with him personally.

He never forms any emotional bonds, is willing to murder associates, friends, and family to get his way, is single minded to his beliefs, ignores pleasures of the flesh except as a way to manipulate people (though he does give in to the death note compulsion that's not necessarily explicit canon), and the way to draw him out is to challenge him and make him act brashly in order to prove his superiority.

I'd give Light a low Temperance, because several times he's provoked into extremely poor decisions (killing the fake L on TV, changing his killing schedule to taunt L, etc) by plays on his pride. Temperance isn't just about sex - Light's not a very sexual person (except when the slashfic comes into play) but he doesn't have good impulse control when his particular sin is on the line.

I'd give Light a low Temperance, because several times he's provoked into extremely poor decisions (killing the fake L on TV, changing his killing schedule to taunt L, etc) by plays on his pride. Temperance isn't just about sex - Light's not a very sexual person (except when the slashfic comes into play) but he doesn't have good impulse control when his particular sin is on the line.

It's not about the sex for me, as it is about the subversion of all his desires of the flesh to his goal. Sex, Food, a bed not made of wood, sensory perception, time, and his memories are all merely tools to be used or discarded on his path to his goal. A goal he is prepared to take years achieving. I view the incidents you're talking about as an incidence of a moderate valor: When he perceives an opponent he fights and strikes even if it's not in his best interest (valor 3: Will attack superior foe) BECAUSE THEY'RE AN OPPONENT. Combine that with his ego, and it overwhelms his normal temperance.

He also does his best to exude an air of self control and emotionlessness at all times, except when he snaps (limit break?). That's why I had him at temperance 3.

It's not about the sex for me, as it is about the subversion of all his desires of the flesh to his goal. Sex, Food, a bed not made of wood, sensory perception, time, and his memories are all merely tools to be used or discarded on his path to his goal. A goal he is prepared to take years achieving. I view the incidents you're talking about as an incidence of a moderate valor: When he perceives an opponent he fights and strikes even if it's not in his best interest (valor 3: Will attack superior foe) BECAUSE THEY'RE AN OPPONENT. Combine that with his ego, and it overwhelms his normal temperance.

He also does his best to exude an air of self control and emotionlessness at all times, except when he snaps (limit break?). That's why I had him at temperance 3.

Ah but I would say based off his reaction at the end of the anime where he realized for once he actually was in trouble he couldn't get out of that he has Valor 1. I would say the killing the fake L was a successful Social Attack by L to provoke that specific action. And as for changing his killing schedule I don't remember that part but isn't it possible he just payed a point of Willpower to ignore his Virtue? After all if I was sure I would win I wouldn't have a problem gloating.