Trump does another 180 from the campaign...

In an interview with Pat Robertson’s television network yesterday, Donald Trump insisted that anti-gay conservatives can rest assured knowing
that he is committed to overturning the Supreme Court’s landmark decision striking down state bans on same-sex marriage. www.rightwingwatch.org...

We'll see if he still intends to throw the collective LGBT community under the federal bus, and see if he keeps good on his promise to rip up Obama's
executive order protecting the LGBT community against discrimination by federal workers.

Yeah IO watched that video, in no where in it did he say he would overturn gay marriage. He said we thought it should have been up to the states,
which I agree with 100%. (By the way, if it was up to the stats, the vast majority would allow it). But he does not say he will overturn it.

It's actually a brilliant leadership strategy. What better way to bring the country together than right after the election completely flip-flop on
every position. Essentially make the losing party feel like they actually won. At least it's good lip service.

Yeah IO watched that video, in no where in it did he say he would overturn gay marriage. He said we thought it should have been up to the
states, which I agree with 100%. (By the way, if it was up to the stats, the vast majority would allow it). But he does not say he will overturn
it.

That's the same as overturning the SCOTUS ruling!

It was up to the states before, and states that had laws banning equal marriage were ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. Do you think states
should decide whether not mixed race should marry too?

In an interview with Pat Robertson’s television network yesterday, Donald Trump insisted that anti-gay conservatives can rest assured knowing
that he is committed to overturning the Supreme Court’s landmark decision striking down state bans on same-sex marriage. www.rightwingwatch.org...

We'll see if he still intends to throw the collective LGBT community under the federal bus, and see if he keeps good on his promise to rip up Obama's
executive order protecting the LGBT community against discrimination by federal workers.

Watch the videos..

He doesn't say that at all.

In fact he really dodged the subject and keeps saying "oh it's gonna take a long long time." Aka I'm not gonna do it but don't sweat me about it.

Watch the videos is not an argument, some of us do not want to watch the videos. Cohesively make your own damn arguments.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
It's actually a brilliant leadership strategy. What better way to bring the country together than right after the election completely flip-flop on
every position. Essentially make the losing party feel like they actually won. At least it's good lip service.

But that would mean that those that fell for Trump's sales pitch were voting for a "Hillary" regardless.

Yeah IO watched that video, in no where in it did he say he would overturn gay marriage. He said we thought it should have been up to the
states, which I agree with 100%. (By the way, if it was up to the stats, the vast majority would allow it). But he does not say he will overturn
it.

That's the same as overturning the SCOTUS ruling!

It was up to the states before, and states that had laws banning equal marriage were ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. Do you thinks
should decide whether not mixed race should marry too?

It wasn't that long ago when states had laws against mixed race marriage. Your have love the religious "right".

originally posted by: loam
I find it most amusing that the left saw Armageddon coming from a Trump presidency, and now that he is moderating many of his positions (as many who
voted for him expected he would) the left is even more terrified of him.

I suspect the real fear there is that he might actually do a half decent job.

He always did people just ignored him. On many positions he would simply say that is up to the states and the federal government shouldn't be involved
he lumps abortion into that catagory as well. He's been saying it from the beginning but people only chose to hear part of his response.

Trump couldn't help but give his opinion it's Trump but he always said that should be left to the states.

originally posted by: dfnj2015
It's actually a brilliant leadership strategy. What better way to bring the country together than right after the election completely flip-flop on
every position. Essentially make the losing party feel like they actually won. At least it's good lip service.

But that would mean that those that fell for Trump's sales pitch were voting for a "Hillary" regardless.

I'm still amazed he was able to get the nomination.

Now that the Democrats practically don't exist in government anymore what is really going to be interesting is who are the Republicans going to blame
next cycle for all the bad government policies? They are in charge of everything. So if Trump turns Liberal at least they can blame
him.

originally posted by: dragonridr
He always did people just ignored him. On many positions he would simply say that is up to the states and the federal government shouldn't be involved
he lumps abortion into that catagory as well.

That was my thought also. It's been 4 days and he's flip-flopped on gays and abortion. I told you he was social liberal.

Yeah IO watched that video, in no where in it did he say he would overturn gay marriage. He said we thought it should have been up to the
states, which I agree with 100%. (By the way, if it was up to the stats, the vast majority would allow it). But he does not say he will overturn
it.

That's the same as overturning the SCOTUS ruling!

It was up to the states before, and states that had laws banning equal marriage were ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. Do you think states
should decide whether not mixed race should marry too?

What makes you think that anything is going to change?
Trump has already said that those he appoints to the Supreme Court will be Constitutionalists.
It has already been decided that gay marriage is constitutional.
The Supreme Court will continue to be sure than any state laws follow the constitution, as they have been.
So... what are you so afraid of?

Maybe he's listening to the voices of the people who are out there protesting, and stinging from his 59% downturn in hotel business after global
boycotts. Any changes that he willingly makes now will be better respected than having to blame Hillary for failing to fulfill his campaign promises
later.

Why do you care?

If I like the postions that Trump ends up pushing for, I don't cae why he is doing them. Rather he pushes for everyday working people because he is a
great person that wants the best for them, or he is an arrogant piece of crap that just wants to win, as long as it helps the people, what do I
care?

So why don't you feel the same way. You here Trump is for one of the positions you are for (at least I am assuming you are for gay marriage) and
instead of being happy for that, you use it to attack him.

I rarely agree with you, but you come across with common sense arguments. We may come from oppisite sides of the aisle, but I would bet we have more
in common than the folks pandering to the fringe would like to see. Print media is dying, they are pulling out all of the stops in order to survive.

What you need to understand is that not all people in this country are equally socially conservative or equally socially liberal. There are all
shades.

It is a mistake for the Federal Government to think it ought to set any default. Prohibition was a mandated social position, the war of drugs is also.
I can guess what your position on the last might well be. And yet, incremental legalization, state by state is the proper way to let it happen.

It gives people the freedom to move around and opt in or out. It lets things be tried small scale to see how well they work before people in other
areas decide if something is right for them or not.

In the end, there may be things that never happen in some places, but that's OK. Not every area has the same culture and cultural values and mores in
this country and that degree of flexibility should be retained.

To be fair, I believe the Dems gained some ground in congressional seats.

what is really going to be interesting is who are the Republicans going to blame next cycle for all the bad government policies? They are in charge of
everything. So if Trump turns Liberal at least they can blame him.

True. They are in charge. Can't pass the buck anymore. They better go to work and quit blaming the Left for their failures.

originally posted by: dragonridr
He always did people just ignored him. On many positions he would simply say that is up to the states and the federal government shouldn't be involved
he lumps abortion into that catagory as well.

That was my thought also. It's been 4 days and he's flip-flopped on gays and abortion. I told you he was social liberal.

Seriously.
He did not change his mind.
The only problem is that you bought into the MSM LIES instead of researching the man's positions for yourself.

Trump has a history being a liberal. It's a fact that I am clinging to and causes me to give him my open mind and well wishes. I hope he backpeddles
on some of his extreme ideas and decides he just wants to go down in history as being a fabulous president. I am socially liberal....yay if he leads
the republicans that direction, even if it means breaking campaign promises. I want him to break bad promises.

I still want fiscal conservatism though.

I do not like some of the comical, backward-thinking ultra-conservative asswipes he is surrounding himself with though.

What you need to understand is that not all people in this country are equally socially conservative or equally socially liberal. There are all
shades.

It is a mistake for the Federal Government to think it ought to set any default. Prohibition was a mandated social position, the war of drugs is also.
I can guess what your position on the last might well be. And yet, incremental legalization, state by state is the proper way to let it happen.

It gives people the freedom to move around and opt in or out. It lets things be tried small scale to see how well they work before people in other
areas decide if something is right for them or not.

In the end, there may be things that never happen in some places, but that's OK. Not every area has the same culture and cultural values and mores in
this country and that degree of flexibility should be retained.

So if I as a white man marries an African american woman in NY, and then has my job transferred to Atlanta, I need to divorce my wife? This is
somehow ok with you? and all of your Christian beliefs, honestly WTF?

I'm afraid that he appoints conservative judges that still believe the earth is 6000 years old, the Bible is a history book and marriage is between a
man and a woman, and that's the only acceptable sexual relationship that should be honored, as the GOP platform states. It's not really a stretch to
imagine such a scenario, since he has Mike Pence who believes those things and has named Ben Carson to his cabinet, who also believes those things.

I'm afraid that he'll appoint judges that have a record of ruling against LGBT and women's reproductive rights, like he has promised on numerous
occasions.

I'm afraid that Trump has no regard for truthful intergrity and lies whenever convenient, and that he's willing to sell out any group if it benefits
his agenda in another area.

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