though i think someone should go to one of these wow things and explain how you cant buy what burning man is. and how by being a PnP camp they are destroying it. anyway of they are inspired by Zoo, who did the krug event they should be considered quilty by assosiation.

lets burn them

FREE THE SHERPASBurners with torches is right and natural and just.-fishy.CATCH AND RELEASE.

bubbavic wrote:While they do mention a "synergy with" Camp Zoo, I don't think we can honestly say they are the same people much less guilty of last year's Krugging. Sure it's an obvious commercial plug and play camp but that's not really the particular crime we're rabbling about here.

Face it. The word "synergy" is, in of itself, a violation of all that is sacred.

The Lady with a Lamprey

"The powerful are exploiting people, art and ideas, and this leads to us plebes debating how to best ration ice.Man, no wonder they always win....." Lonesomebri

Ok, I have been talking to a middle eastern burner codenamed "Fizzball" - I consider him to be 100% trustworthy.

My working theory is as follows:

Harvey had a long history with Demartini and was trained in the Demartini Method. Burning Man was no act of "radical self-expression" at all, but a carefully thought out plan using the Demartini paradigm in perspective and thinking. The whole thing was destined from the beginning to mushroom into a full fledged city - and beyond. It has the control power of the Church of Scientology but with the advantage that it is completely self-organizing. Harvey can just sit on a lounge chair and watch the whole system unfold before him without raising a finger. He just needs to give a single codeword each year, which we call the "theme", in order to continue the process.

Demartini was never paid his royalties, and is trying to not only take control of the system but improve upon it with the "Plug and Play" paradigm. This synergistic network is run through a skunkworks coded "BORG3".

You are right about the Zoo camp - it was clearly a plant - a ploy to both get into the Demartini network and later discredit it.

The only thing that I don't understand is the Manhattan connection. We should compare notes...

If these are such obvious PnP camps/contract art cars, why not deny them placement/deny art car invites?Such camps are VERY obvious when your placement contact shows up to check on you later in the week & discovers a roped off KOA camp ground with no artistic merit, and badges & hands stamps required to ride the "art cars." Wait, i just startled myself: anyone know why BMorg brought up this Plug & Play topic to begin with?

so, if we go back to the plug and play camp video that was posted in March... we were asked for feedback on how to better integrate camps like the stiglitzian zoo beast. Suggestions on how to help them fit in. eh? I don't think BM org is anti at all. Revisiting the Krug stain brings zoo back on the radar. Did I see a loop completed here, is it ouroborous?

Elorrum wrote:so, if we go back to the plug and play camp video that was posted in March... we were asked for feedback on how to better integrate camps like the stiglitzian zoo beast. Suggestions on how to help them fit in. eh? I don't think BM org is anti at all. Revisiting the Krug stain brings zoo back on the radar. Did I see a loop completed here, is it ouroborous?

Interesting. Perhaps, all plug and play campers should be "strongly encouraged" to attend a first day BM 10 principles orientation/crash course. PnP organizers discouraging attendance or poo-pooing the importance of the 10 principles will be burned with the Man.

They're like rich westerners on Safari in some "exotic" land, spouting essentialist ideas about the "beautiful, noble natives" and the lessons they can learn from them -- while, in fact, completely ignoring/trampling on the values of the local residents and essentially using them and their land as an exciting backdrop for a luxury vacation.

If you want drama to stop following you everywhere, try letting go of the leash.

this is actually a good example of society as a whole, from the pictures i have seen they could have been taken anywhere, even on the playa when BM isnt happenning. Or krug could have asked permission, put on the private party then made it open to the public, cleaned up after and been a kind of hero - the rich consumer organisation showing they really do get what BM is about, given a donation to BMorg or any of the art installations instead they chose to sneak in lie and cheat then fuck off leaving others to clean up after them and when they get caught they just react with "fuck you, other peole are doing it why shouldn't we? it's just because we got caught" this is exactly what we are being taught by society as whole, and when we protest we either get shut up if they are powerful enough or ignored if we arent loud enough.

Well we should continue protesting, letting Krug and the others that we will NOT take this, we will boycott the product and tell others to do so as well, we will whenever we can tell them it is not acceptable and stop them if we can, all the while getting others to come and protest with us. bringing authority figures in to witness what is being done if we can or simply disrupting the activity in anyway we (legally) can.

all the time people feel they can get away with behaving how they like and get away with it they will continue to do so. it is us to stop them, not for us to say someone should do something about it. We are the someone.

people have said that burning man is a hypoctical because with out commrcial activity it couldnt happen, well its a simple fact Nothing can happen in defaultia without commerce, but when Black rock city became more than a camping trip in the desert the decision was made for commerce to stop at the gate. It is our Duty as citizens of Black rock city to prevent commerce whenver and wherever we can in OUR city. Sure we wont be able to stop all of it, but if we dont try and stop it at all then the thing we love and spend Vast somes of money to get to will become just another festival. when we get to TTitD we can put our wallets away turn off our mobile phones and stop thinking of the things that we have no choice to think about about to survive and that is pretty much unique in this world. Not only do we not have to spend money we Cant - the amount of all inclusive holidays is going up year after year because peole want to know how much a hoilday is going to cost, but they still need spending money, to tip the waiters for drinks and food off the resort. At our holiday we DO NOT NEED MONEY and if we dont stop people commercializing BM then in a few short years we see the first vendors selling food/drink/t shirts/theshitwedontneed anf then we might as well give up and go to disneyworld

FREE THE SHERPASBurners with torches is right and natural and just.-fishy.CATCH AND RELEASE.

Bob wrote:Presuming that products (or "artists" for that matter) get hipster cred as a result of any loose association with Burning Man, maybe we should all do our part to make the event much less hip.