According the the Imperial War College who runs the model the world cites 50% of those who die from corona would have died in the next 6 months in the absence of the virus. 6 months is valuable to the person and his/her family but indicates the person was in bad shape which makes sense the virus is killing mostly those on death's door.

According the the Imperial War College who runs the model the world cites 50% of those who die from corona would have died in the next 6 months in the absence of the virus. 6 months is valuable to the person and his/her family but indicates the person was in bad shape which makes sense the virus is killing mostly those on death's door.

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You posted this several days ago and I asked you to source this claim ... never got a reply.

According the the Imperial War College who runs the model the world cites 50% of those who die from corona would have died in the next 6 months in the absence of the virus. 6 months is valuable to the person and his/her family but indicates the person was in bad shape which makes sense the virus is killing mostly those on death's door.

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I think @Mrs.PatsFanInVa dropped the mic on that argument earlier. So I'll defer to her previous response.

Think logically, if someone calls EMS and they arrive in 10 minutes (avg for NYC last year at this time of year was 7 min) and the person died between the time EMS was called and when they arrive, wouldn't it be more likely something sudden like a heart attack, stroke or seizure and not something like the flu? This thing take a couple of days to kill someone not a 10 minutes.

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Having worked on an ambulance for over a decade, that’s the silliest thing I’ve ever heard. Seriously.

It doesn’t matter what kills you - or how long it takes you - you only die in that moment when you take your last breath. Which can be 5 minutes after the ambulance is called.

In fact, the longer someone is sick, especially if they’ve been sick for awhile, the longer it takes others to recognize that they’ve suddenly become acutely ill. Not so with a heart attack, seizure or stroke. Those are usually easily recognizable and ambulances called fairly quickly. Severe dehydration, pneumonia, collapsed lungs, hypoxia - harder to recognize but no less deadly. People wait longer, tho, because often the changes are subtle and the patient has compensated for days until suddenly they could not.

Ice, you can live in whatever space you want. You see, everyone thinks or assumes politics is a left/right spectrum, it's really not.

When you find where you lie on the triangle, it's easier to see why the divide is the way it is.

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Thanks for the chart.

What I’m saying is that most of us cannot just be labeled as right or left. But the more we buckle down and argue, the more we find ourselves gravitating to those poles. Because power is in numbers and an enemy of an enemy is a friend. That’s the point I was trying to make.

I’m guessing the people I’m arguing against on many points feel the same thing.

I hope you understand and accept that you don’t have the right to steer a discussion toward a narrative you desire

I made the statement both liberal & conservative networks have opinion shows.

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You said we find the same thing on both networks. While that may be true in a narrow, technical sense (both networks have opinion shows, wow-ie!), it isn't true in any actual, you know, real sense, with respect to COVID-19.

And it's sad that they are also using this virus to try and change the narrative about voting by mail and now suing the virus as an excuse to plant the seed for that given what Trump said yesterday....yet he voted by mail in 2018. he's all over the place

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Yeah cause Trump as President can just go to his local school to vote.....