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ProFootballTalk on NBCSports.comFri, 09 Dec 2016 15:43:22 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: cowpiesnotcowboyshttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/08/jones-fired-ryan-because-he-wanted-defense-to-have-less-going-on/#comment-2931497
Sun, 10 Nov 2013 00:35:07 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2223306#comment-2931497JJ was forced to dumb down the defense because the players weren’t smart enough to handle it.
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Sat, 09 Nov 2013 18:26:52 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2223306#comment-2931025Well Uncle Jerry, you got what you asked for: A less aggressive defense. Now, you’re #31. Basically the Saints and ‘Boys have flipped defensive rankings from a year ago. It’s lonely at the bottom.
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Sat, 09 Nov 2013 03:45:28 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2223306#comment-2930442@mrbullgator…exactly what I was thinking. GM owner makes call on firing DC? Tells Wade Phillips that Garret is OC? Alex, I will take “Meddeling owners for $1 billion.” Cowboys had a depleted D last year and again this year. Wait, who is in charge of personnel? Oh the GM. If ANY other GM had a team that didn’t win a playoff game in this long they would be fired. Jerry, run your stadium. Drop the press conferences. Cut the strings of all the puppet coaches since Johnson (besides Parcells). No great coach will work under your scrutiny. You are killing your investment.
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Sat, 09 Nov 2013 02:25:51 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2223306#comment-2930392mdd913:

But you can’t really argue that they could be better if they didn’t get hit at least by the injury bug. This wasn’t a perfect team on paper and I carefully worded things as “not incredibly impressive” so that we didn’t have to nitpick on the quality of the roster which almost always can possibly be better.

But in this case they had a handful of guys that were arguably certain locks to make the roster that went down with injury, and they do have a lot of good players but they don’t have a ton of depth of huge names or hot prospects. I just like what I’ve seen so far because they are one of the few units that I was expecting to give up a significant amount of more points than they have, and that counts for some kind of credit due back to Rob Ryan.

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Sat, 09 Nov 2013 01:42:25 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2223306#comment-2930350Jerry, needs to worry about his own defense instead of the Saints D come Sunday. Brees is ready to break another record on this sorry D.
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Sat, 09 Nov 2013 00:11:42 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2223306#comment-2930258rob ryan had street free agents coming in and starting over the last half of the season in ’12 with the boys. jerry scapegoated him; and hopefully now he pays him back….
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Fri, 08 Nov 2013 23:45:44 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2223306#comment-2930238The Cowboys are screwed for as long as Jerry Jones owns that team. They have done nothing since the team Jimmy Johnson put together was slowly dismantled. Barry Switzer was able to win a Super Bowl coaching Jimmy’s team. Since then not so much. Jerry’s ego is his undoing. Firing Jimmy because he wouldn’t admit, and rightfully so, that Jerry knew as much about football as he does was comical and the team still hasn’t recovered.
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Fri, 08 Nov 2013 22:07:09 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2223306#comment-2930092A good owner might have realized by now that they don’t know what the hell they are doing and just hire good talent THEN leave them to do their job….too bad old JJ is not a good owner and never will be.

Maybe he likes owning a professionaly mediocre team.

….and while we are at it…can we stop calling them “America’s Team”? It’s a ridiculous moniker attached to an even more ridiculous team.

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Fri, 08 Nov 2013 22:02:14 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2223306#comment-2930081All I know is that gave me 2 stinkin’ points vs the Jets, who usually are good for some to’s and maybe a pic-6.

I lost by 4.

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Fri, 08 Nov 2013 21:32:01 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2223306#comment-2930013thestrategyexpert says: Nov 8, 2013 3:12 PM
He gets a lot out of a not so incredibly impressive group on paper.

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Except that they are impressive on paper too. Nobody could see it because “OMG worstest d in NFL history LOLOL” but over the last couple of years the Saints have been quietly drafting and assembling a defense full of very good players. They drafted Junior Galette and Pat Robinson in 2010, then Cameron Jordan in 2011, then Akiem Hicks and Corey White in 2012, then Vacarro and Jonathan Jenkins this year. All of those guys have been key players. Jordan, Galette and Vacarro are all studs. Then look at the free agents they’ve added the last two years: Bunkley, Lofton, Hawthorne, Lewis, Haralson. Rock-solid veterans, Lofton, Hawthorne and Lewis are all playing at very high levels. And there are some up-and-comers not listed above like Glenn Foster and Rafael Bush that are also playing great football and primed to take on bigger roles in the next couple years.

So in fact it is a VERY impressive collection of talent and especially when you consider how they asssembled it in basically 2 years time. There is youth all over the D and not a lot of weak spots. And contrary to popular belief they’re not doing it with smoke and mirrors either. They play essentially a base nickel defense and don’t blitz a lot.

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Fri, 08 Nov 2013 21:29:45 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2223306#comment-2930005Anyone else find it funny that the GM fired the DC? Did Garret have a say or does this just confirm that Garret is just your puppet Jerrah?!
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Fri, 08 Nov 2013 21:13:51 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2223306#comment-2929957I’ve never seen a defensive coordinator get as much television screen time as Ryan. Even the commentators talk like he is the head coach. When he was with the cowboys, he got more screen time than Garrett. Of course Garrett is as animated as Tom Landry’s hat.
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Fri, 08 Nov 2013 21:10:29 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2223306#comment-2929943youafool says:
Nov 8, 2013 3:45 PM
Romo is going to light up Ryan’s D on Sunday. Dallas 35 Saints 24

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I love my Cowboys, but our play calling is terrible! For us to see 35 it will take turnovers (but this is Brees), defense to make stands (wishful thinking) and for us to be aggressive on offense. I swear if I see that delayed draw play one more time…..it’s not fooling anyone.

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Fri, 08 Nov 2013 21:05:41 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2223306#comment-2929930accipiterq says:
Nov 8, 2013 3:22 PM
I don’t understand how Ryan is still a d-coordinator in this league. Look up the stats on where his defenses have finished ranked every year. His highest…HIGHEST..ranking defense was 19th in the league.
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Rob Ryan is proving this year just how good of a DC he really is..
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Fri, 08 Nov 2013 20:54:54 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2223306#comment-2929913I swear I think Jerry wants us to fail sometimes. RYAN wasn’t the coach he needed to get rid of. And what he is doing in New Orleans further shows it. Our players just couldn’t grasp the concepts, and apparently still can’t.
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Fri, 08 Nov 2013 20:51:57 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2223306#comment-2929901I think Jones was implying that he wanted the Cowboys D to be less complex, not less aggressive.

Sean Payton seems to have taken Rob Ryan’s style into account. The Saints’ D has proven to work well this season with all the packages and looks that RR is using.

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Fri, 08 Nov 2013 20:49:06 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2223306#comment-2929895I think Ryan had a great system in Dallas, he just happened to lose over half of his defense, including some of his best players (Ware and Sean Lee jump to mind) to injury. The Cowboys suffered an amazing amount of defensive injuries compromising everything Ryan was trying to do. He was just the scapegoat for the whole situation. The guy knows how to coach defenses.
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Fri, 08 Nov 2013 20:45:00 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2223306#comment-2929893Romo is going to light up Ryan’s D on Sunday. Dallas 35 Saints 24
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Fri, 08 Nov 2013 20:43:03 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2223306#comment-2929891Looks like another plan that backfired on poor jerruh. At least he’s rich as hell. Props to him for that.
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Fri, 08 Nov 2013 20:42:55 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2223306#comment-2929890While everyone complains about Rob not being a HC, ask him if he want to be. He’s making 3.5 as a coordinator, and will always have a job; who needs the aggravation that comes with the HC position??
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Fri, 08 Nov 2013 20:42:14 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2223306#comment-2929889I liked that the players wanted to play well for Ryan. He motivated the team and seemed to have a more personal connection with the D. He had a complex scheme and zero time to implement it. The majority of his starters were out the majority of time he was coaching. He still got players to play well that were being signed off the streets. No one is a fan of a scheme that looks to be failing but I wouldn’t be too confident to say he had much of a chance to implement his scheme to begin with. I’m glad to see he’s having success in NO.
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Fri, 08 Nov 2013 20:33:03 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2223306#comment-2929877accipiterq says:
Nov 8, 2013 3:22 PM
I don’t understand how Ryan is still a d-coordinator in this league. Look up the stats on where his defenses have finished ranked every year. His highest…HIGHEST..ranking defense was 19th in the league.
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Because you need players and time to develope a good D. Belichick happens to be a great defensive mind, but they havent had the players.

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Fri, 08 Nov 2013 20:30:58 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2223306#comment-2929874Say what you will about their personalities, brashness, etc…but MANY people have lost their money betting against a Ryan family defense.
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Fri, 08 Nov 2013 20:28:39 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2223306#comment-2929870Anyone remember when Jones said he wanted to “trim the fat” and then he fired Rob Ryan?
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Fri, 08 Nov 2013 20:26:14 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2223306#comment-2929869Jerry is a funny guy…who would want an aggressive defense?
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Fri, 08 Nov 2013 20:23:34 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2223306#comment-2929868Rob Ryan isn’t going to be the problem this weekend – Darren Sproles is…along with some guy named Brees. I also expect Pierre Thomas to have a good day too.
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Fri, 08 Nov 2013 20:23:11 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2223306#comment-2929867Rob Ryan has turned our D around in New Orleans.

We love him down here. His drinking, eating, and hippy-ish ways fit right in down here.

After home wins, he even goes by a local bar and buys the entire crowd a round. Did he do that in Dallas too? Not that I am aware of.

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Fri, 08 Nov 2013 20:22:20 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2223306#comment-2929865I don’t understand how Ryan is still a d-coordinator in this league. Look up the stats on where his defenses have finished ranked every year. His highest…HIGHEST..ranking defense was 19th in the league.
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Fri, 08 Nov 2013 20:21:39 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2223306#comment-2929863It’s all about respect for one’s elder. Monte Kiffin is 300 years old, so Jerry looks at him like a father figure
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Fri, 08 Nov 2013 20:20:30 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=2223306#comment-2929862This dude really likes to hear himself talk, no doubt the Saints will beat them, but note to TV crew, please show a pic of his face when they are about too, it doesnt get old.
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