From: cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User)
Subject: Re: Caucasoid Turks/Bulgars
Date: 24 Mar 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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On Thu, 18 Mar 1999 19:45:35 GMT, cluster.user@yale.edu (Cluster User)
wrote:
>
>>Next, Dobrev analyses some composite names of elamite kings (the transcription
>>probably will differ from the english one):
>>
>> - TANRU-huratir - 1960 BC (1)
>> - SAMUTVAR-tash - 1790 BC (2)
>> - ATTARKIT-tah - 1310 BC (3)
>> ...
>> - Nallutish-INSHUSHINAK - 1205 BC (4)
>> - Shutruk-NAHUNTA - 1185 BC (5)
>> - Kutir-NAHUNTA - 1155 BC (6)
>>
>>
>>King (3) reigned 480 years after (2), and both had the common addition to their
>>names - "tash", "tah". 480 is exactly 40 cycles of 12 years.
>>
>>King (5) has the name of "shutruk" which resembles "shupuruk" - a word for the bat
>>used in northern india and the pamirs, and "kutir" in (6) resembles the dravidian
>>"kuthirai" (horse). And 1185 BC was exactly the year of the mouse, and 1155 - the
>>year of the horse in any modern cyclic calendar (chinese, turkic, tibetan).
>>
>>King (4) also has "nallutish" in his name, and "hannam, nallam" is a dravidian word
>>for dragon, and 1205 BC was the year of the dragon.
>>
>>The same pattern in some assyrian royal names - Tukulti-Ninurta (ascension in 1250
I am informed by peter daniels that "tukulti" simply means "beloved of
..."
>>BC), and Tukulti-Ninurta II (890 BC). Both ascended to the throne in the year of
>>the horse, and in some eastern-caucasian l-s the horse is "tukku, teku" (from
>>which probably comes the bulgar word). Another assyrian king - Sinnuishkun, came
>>to the throne in 620 BC - the year of the bull. This king had two names -
>>Sinnuishkun and Sarak. But "shinna" in chechen is 'ox', "sar" in buduh (east. cauc.)
>>is also 'ox'. So the king's name was Shinnu-Ishkun.
>
>but assyrian distinguishes between s- and *sh*-
>
>>
>>The names of Nabuchodonosor (Nevu-Hadresar) and Semiramide (Samar-Amat) also show
>>the same traces. "Nevu" resembles the old-iranian, pamirian words "nehu, nek"
>
>the -v- was a later development (based on masoretic hebrew)
>his name was nabu^ kudurri uSur "nabu^ (a god) protect the
>boundary) nabu^ is from the semitic root "to call"
>
>of the pamiri word (< sans.) na:g is the older from.
>
>>(dragon), and "samar" - the afghan "zmaraj" (lion). And Nevu-hadresar ascended
>>the throne in 604 BC, the year of the dragon, and Semiramide - in 810 BC, the
>>year of the tiger/lion.
>
>
>why should assyrians use bits and pieces of caucasian and
>pamirian words and leave no record of this calender system
>while their actual calender is known??!!
>
>>
>>Dobrev goes further to compare the elamite examples with the case of Mohendjo-Daro -
>>twelve constellations with names of gods-animals: god hare, god goat, crocodile,
>>lion, horse, scorpion, etc. The conclusion is that cyclic calendars (solar, not
>>only lunar as chinese) are quite old, with origins in the middle-east, and that
>