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Personally, I argued that they were two different languages in 2007 [perl.org]. I thought pretty much everyone agreed other than trolls I reference in that post who seemed to be using the long wait for Perl 6 as an excuse to troll Perl. (You do not in any way appear to be among those.)

I can say that today I suspect I will be a Sixer at some point. I don't know when.

Meanwhile, I learned Rose::DB::Object the other day. So much fun, and there are so many great things going on.

--J. David works really hard, has a passion for writing good software, and knows many of the world's best Perl programmers

As a fairly entrenched Sixer, I might have a slightly warped perspective on the "different languages" thing. As long as it felt like a criticism and a threat of community fracturing, I was less inclined to agree. Also, as long as the two statements "Perl 6 isn't Perl 5" and "Perl 6 isn't Perl" were equivalent in the minds of people, it was difficult for me as a Sixer to agree.

Now both of these things have changed. The community didn't fracture, it just shifted into people doing Serious Production stuff and

Yes, the tuning fork analogy you use here clarifies the community issue for me immensely. I'm not on the Six branch of the tuning fork, though it has started to look somewhat attractive as of this year.

I can't say that I ever would have argued that "Perl 6 isn't Perl." I hope not. I read through the IRC log on your old post and found my blood boiling somewhat at the confusion behind those assertions. Perl 5 doesn't have an exclusive claim to the Perl name.

--J. David works really hard, has a passion for writing good software, and knows many of the world's best Perl programmers

Blood has been boiling, and I'm glad we've collectively found ways to make it not boil anymore. An outright intra-Perl tribal war -- and we seem to have turned away from that path by now -- would have been wasteful, probably ugly, and doubtless sad.

I want to clarify that what made my blood boil was the suggestion was that Perl 5 was Perl and Perl 6 was not Perl. I hope that was obvious and I hope you realized that, but just in case you or anyone else reading did not, I wanted to state it explicitly.

I don't believe any Sixer has ever made my blood boil, other than that idiot jdavidb who jumped into the Perl 6 RFC process ten years ago without knowing what he was doing when he really had no business "helping." But he quickly realized he didn't know wh

--J. David works really hard, has a passion for writing good software, and knows many of the world's best Perl programmers