The storm that will unfreeze the North Pole

"And so on Wednesday, the North Pole will likely see temperatures of about 35 degrees Fahrenheit, or 2 degrees Celsius. That’s 50 degrees hotter than average: It’s usually 20 degrees Fahrenheit below zero there at this time of year."

My question is why are so worried. We don't have any past data to prove the North Pole hasn't gone through this before. I wouldn't worry, there isn't anything we can do anyways. Unless you know a Mr Freeze or Iceman

The CO2 argument is a massive social experiment and a laughable diversion from 70 years of very real and very deliberate man made climate change. If and when it ever becomes common knowledge it will then be put forward as the scientific solution to the mythical problem. We're already inching towards that with occasional news about solar radiation management aka geoengineering.

Jershor saidMy question is why are so worried. We don't have any past data to prove the North Pole hasn't gone through this before. I wouldn't worry, there isn't anything we can do anyways. Unless you know a Mr Freeze or Iceman

Interesting. If your body temperature were to go up 50%, wouldn't you be worried whether or not you have taken taken your temperature once, twice or many times before?

Okay. So let us say that your body temperature increases fifty degree F. That would mean about 150 F. Meaning that you would experience hyperthermia. That should worry you whether or not you have taken your temperature before.

woodsmen saidOkay. So let us say that your body temperature increases fifty degree F. That would mean about 150 F. Meaning that you would experience hyperthermia. That should worry you whether or not you have taken your temperature before.

He wouldnt worry because he would be dead. Stick to the NY times , you dont know what your talking about.

woodsmen saidBoth the human body and the planet are equilibrium systems. Which medical school did you go to?

Oh the one that tells me past 106/107 few people survive.

Okay. So let us say that your body temperature increases fifty degree F. That would mean about 150 F. Meaning that you would experience hyperthermia. That should worry you whether or not you have taken your temperature before.

So your 50 degree analogy shows me how silly and uninformed you are.Find me someone that experienced 150 degrees. And we will talk.

NYT: As of this October, the Earth had warmed by about 1.7 degrees Fahrenheit since 1880, when tracking began at a global scale. That figure includes the surface of the ocean. The warming is greater over land, and greater still in the Arctic and parts of Antarctica.

The number may sound low, but as an average over the surface of an entire planet, it is actually high, which explains why much of the land ice on the planet is starting to melt and the oceans are rising at an accelerating pace. The heat accumulating in the Earth because of human emissions is roughly equal to the heat that would be released by 400,000 Hiroshima atomic bombs exploding across the planet every day.

Scientists believe most and probably all of the warming since 1950 was caused by the human release of greenhouse gases. If emissions continue unchecked, they say the global warming could ultimately exceed 8 degrees Fahrenheit, which would transform the planet and undermine its capacity to support a large human population.

Pretty certain we don't need a guy with a thermomether at the North Pole, ice produces this handy-dandy thing called "core samples" we can drill and, literally, calculate the exact temperature for any given year for, theoretically, as far as you can drill. We can also analyze the precise elemental make-up of the water, and to a lesser extent, the atmosphere for each of those moments in history. It's the same with soil in a steep creekbed or a tree trunk, just better, more scientific, better preserved and more accurate.

Nice try climate change deniers. Bottom line is that an above freezing ice-box isn't a good thing. Spoiled meat, anyone?

The memos, stamped “confidential” and kept under wraps for years, portray a White House eager to assert U.S. leadership on climate change. Global warming will have “profound consequences,” one document warns, and the United States “cannot wait” until all scientific questions are resolved before taking action.

The source of the memos: Not the Obama White House, but policy advisers to President George H.W. Bush.

The memos were among several formerly classified documents from the Bush and Reagan administrations obtained under the Freedom of Information Act and released on Wednesday by the National Security Archive. The documents portray senior officials in the two Republican administrations pressing for an aggressive response to international environmental issues of the day — including, during Bush’s term, climate change.

The assertive posture contrasts with the positions taken this week by leading Republican presidential contenders, several of whom publicly mocked Obama’s efforts to secure an international climate treaty in Paris. The GOP-controlled House voted Tuesday to block the administration’s signature regulation to cut greenhouse-gas pollution from U.S. power plants.

"And so on Wednesday, the North Pole will likely see temperatures of about 35 degrees Fahrenheit, or 2 degrees Celsius. That’s 50 degrees hotter than average: It’s usually 20 degrees Fahrenheit below zero there at this time of year."

* Not expecting a response, you never reply to other RJ members that attempt to engage you in discussion on the topics you create.

There WILL be some repercussions from this storm felt around the world. For instance, temps in Los Angeles have been VERY low at night (in the 30s) of late and this will continue. I have buds in Europe who are remarking at the clearly different unpleasant climate changes compared to prior years--this in a year of refugees who are sleeping exposed in the streets. Iceland will likely go through hell. The storm over the arctic is said to be unprecedented.

Svnw688 saidPretty certain we don't need a guy with a thermomether at the North Pole, ice produces this handy-dandy thing called "core samples" we can drill and, literally, calculate the exact temperature for any given year for, theoretically, as far as you can drill. We can also analyze the precise elemental make-up of the water, and to a lesser extent, the atmosphere for each of those moments in history. It's the same with soil in a steep creekbed or a tree trunk, just better, more scientific, better preserved and more accurate.

Nice try climate change deniers. Bottom line is that an above freezing ice-box isn't a good thing. Spoiled meat, anyone?

+1 you save me from having to mention this. Plus, taking core Ice samples can tell you a great deal more than that. However, on another note, for this kind of drastic climate change seems to suggest slight polarity shifts?

Svnw688 saidPretty certain we don't need a guy with a thermomether at the North Pole, ice produces this handy-dandy thing called "core samples" we can drill and, literally, calculate the exact temperature for any given year for, theoretically, as far as you can drill. We can also analyze the precise elemental make-up of the water, and to a lesser extent, the atmosphere for each of those moments in history. It's the same with soil in a steep creekbed or a tree trunk, just better, more scientific, better preserved and more accurate.

Nice try climate change deniers. Bottom line is that an above freezing ice-box isn't a good thing. Spoiled meat, anyone?

Exactly , the SLATE article seemed to delete that information. Wouldn't we know if it was the highest temperature?

Unless it wasnt the highest temp but it made a better story just to leave those facts out.