Though I do love they way he blames gays for the passage of a proposition that takes away their rights...

I don't blame homosexuals for anything regarding prop 8 passing. I am concerned with the homosexuals using hatred of religion, violence, and intimidation because they are upset that the electorate voted for prop 8.

Take it easy. Truth be told, my issues are with the few very vocal and very angry homosexuals who are making it much more difficult by behaving badly....

yeah! they're uppity!

(do you see what I did there?)

I'll try again when I'm drunk. Maybe I'll get it after a few glasses of scotch.

Though I do love they way he blames gays for the passage of a proposition that takes away their rights...

I don't blame homosexuals for anything regarding prop 8 passing. I am concerned with the homosexuals using hatred of religion, violence, and intimidation because they are upset that the electorate voted for prop 8.

Take it easy. Truth be told, my issues are with the few very vocal and very angry homosexuals who are making it much more difficult by behaving badly....

Oh, wait, they weren't. Weird. I guess all Christians aren't the same, and the actions of a few shouldn't be taken to be reflective of the group as a whole.

I wonder if it's the same thing with gays... I'll ask Jeffie Boy. He's usually spot-on when it comes to hasty generalizations about people. He'll know.

So once again we choose to ignore the message while assaulting the messenger. How extremely accepting, understanding and willing to listen to different viewpoints you nice people are.

It's no wonder that homosexuals have such an easy time convincing the public that they should get equal treatment.

Here's a clue, haters. I was making an observation. One that is perfectly valid. Not ALL gay people are behaving like total assholes. And I never said or implied that they were. But there are plenty that are. And as long as they do and the non-assholes excuse it, the better the chance that folks who think homosexuals hate religion, hate religious people, and don't deserve to be treated with the same dignity as others will always win the gay marriage debate.

You dumbfucks still think I am anti-gay and anti-gay marriage. That only illustrates that the pro-gay lobby that frequents LSD are, in fact, too stupid and blindly angry to get involved in any sort of serious discussion about anything related to gay rights.

You morons want to fight. You want to make me the bad guy for making observations in an attempt to have a discussion so you don't have to face the facts: as long as gay people behave like they do in this video, as long as they barge into houses of religion to disgrace themselves and embarrass and upset those that are religios, and as long as they continue to do things like grab crosses out of old ladies hands and stomp on them, there is absolutely ZERO chance of winning support for the very thing you want.

Not all gay people are behaving like this. The point, my low-IQ having hate mongers, is that the actions of the loud few are drowning out the actions of the many. This sort of behavior is precisely the reason that prop 8 passed. The vocal minority, behaving like children and insulting and assaulting other people, make ALL gay people look bad. By arguing that I am somehow generalizing, you are merely trying to find a way to fool yourselves into thinking that their behavior has no effect. Yet it does. It's rather far from helping meet the goal and you are simply too weak or too lazy to face up to it.

So go ahead. Say I hate gays. Say I am generalizing. Continue ignoring the facts . It couldn't possibly be having any adverse effect on accomplishing your goals whatsoever. Your average Joe American, watching scenes like these, SURELY will understand that there are tons of peaceful protests going on and even though they see clip after clip just like this, they are sure to step back and accept that this sort of behavior is the exception and not the rule.

Grow up.

Anytime behavior like this is out there, it hurts the rest of you who are trying to do this thing right. Every time a group spews hate, so long as they are representing gay people it's okay to you. You hypocrites need to wise up, and fast, and make a big deal about how stuff like this isn't okay and in a big way or you will NEVER see gay marriage. This sort of discourse is precisely why the world sees America as having serious problems. Congratulations. This sort of thing sets back your cause a few decades and instead of acknowledging it and trying to reach out to all the irate little children out there who are unable to contain themselves, you keep on attacking people who are pro-gay marriage for pointing it out. That sort of strategy ALWAYS works. Because alienating people who actually want homosexuals to have the same rights as you can't possibly backfire. Really, you guys have it worked out very well.

As for the fuckheads who hold up "God Hates Fags" signs, I actually helped out in a situation or two when I joined the freedom riders in drowning these idiots out and ensuring soldiers families could bury their children in peace. But that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter that I rode my motorcycle over 400 miles each way to stand against that sort of thing. Nope. You've got me all figured out and know all about me. I hate gay people. I hate gay marriage. I hate, hate, hate. That's it! Congrats! You are all amazingly smart, not to mention psychic. Or could you be wrong?

Nah. You're never wrong.

Seriously. How can you attack me for pointing out that more and more video's are surfacing where gay people are actually making it much, much harder for homosexual marriage to be taken seriously? Bigots, that's what you are. Anyone that you perceive to be against your opinion is clearly a hate-monger, even if they agree with you.

Great strategy. That'll turn the majority of American's toward your cause. Fight hate with hate! Show straight american that by believing in god they are evil. Point out how great gay people are by assaulting them for <gasp> expressing their free speech. Nothing says "We are peacefully unhappy" like having to have cops escort people out of town while an angry mob threatens to follow them all the way home! Nothing proves that homosexuals deserve to be treated the same as everyone else like video after video of homosexuals treating anyone that might not agree with them like criminals!

Stupid is as stupid does. This behavior, though you might not care to admit it, is how much of the public perceive homosexuals in general are behaving. But it's far more fun to attack me for making that point than it is to read, watch, and agree.

Mayor Richard Daley today expressed condolences to Jennifer Hudson's family for the death of the singer-actress' mother, brother and nephew. He said the killings were examples of too many guns on the streets. "When you have someone with access to a gun it shows you what they will do," Daley said. The mayor said police could not have prevented the killings because they occurred inside the home and allegedly in a domestic-related incident. Daley made his remarks at an unrelated event at a Chicago public school.

Autopsy: Hudson nephew shot multiple times

Oscar-winning actress Jennifer Hudson's 7-year-old nephew -- one of three Hudson relatives found slain in Chicago since Friday -- died of multiple gunshot wounds, the Cook County medical examiner's office said Tuesday. But the office, which performed an autopsy on Julian King's body Tuesday, didn't answer questions about when the child died and where his wounds were. Julian was found shot to death in an abandoned Chevrolet Suburban on Chicago's West Side on Monday. Police had begun a massive search for him on Friday, the day Hudson's mother, Darnell Donerson, and brother, Jason Hudson, were found shot to death in their South Side Chicago home. Julian was the son of Jennifer Hudson's sister, Julia Hudson, who police said found Donerson's body and called police. William Balfour, 27, who is Julian's stepfather and Julia Hudson's estranged husband, was detained Friday for questioning in connection with the slayings, a police representative said. Julian was not with Balfour when he was detained.

Balfour was later transferred to prison on a parole violation, the police representative said. According to the Department of Corrections, he spent nearly seven years in prison for attempted murder, vehicular hijacking and possessing a stolen vehicle. The Illinois Department of Corrections said it could not comment on the specifics of Balfour's parole or how he violated it. Balfour will be held until a prisoner review board takes up his case, a department representative said. That process could take several weeks. No charges had been filed against anyone in connection with the slayings. On Tuesday, William Balfour's mother, Michele Davis-Balfour, said her son had nothing to do with the slayings. "I'm sorry this happened to this girl's family, but they're not going to put it on my own son," she said. "He hasn't been framed, but he's been wrongly accused." She said that after her son got out of prison, he was trying to improve his life by working at a sandwich shop. She also said he obtained his GED in prison by studying horticulture. "How many minorities are in the penitentiary and study horticulture?" she said.

Authorities have said the Chevrolet Suburban in which Julian was found was Jason Hudson's. During the search for the boy, postings on Julia Hudson's MySpace page showed a picture of Jason Hudson and the white SUV. Julia Hudson posted a message on the page after her son's body was found. "His li'l soul is at ease, I take comfort in knowing that Julian is with my mother and my brother and most of all the Lord, and now he's my angel, he's protecting me," she wrote. "Now because I chose to do what was natural to me and love someone, it cost me my beautiful family, my wonderful beautiful loving supporting mother, Darnell, my true blue baby brother, Jason, I love u big baby ... and last but never not least, my only son, Julian," she added.

Actually, a logical conclusion that can be drawn from this sad story is exactly the opposite of what Mayor Dummy Daley said. If the Hudson family had been allowed to own and possess a firearm, this nutbag would have at least thought twice about killing anyone for fear that he himself might be shot.This is where the argument for a gun ban falls apart. Chicago has an awful record of gun violence and evidence supports the notion that banning firearms from the city has led to a rise in gun related violence. Criminals don't care about gun bans. Citizens get the raw end of the stick, and people die, because criminals know that law abiding citizens have no means of protection. There is absolutely no reason for a criminal to be even the least bit scared of breaking in to a home and pulling a gun. They know that Chicago residents are unarmed and, therefore, powerless to stop anyone who does break the law and own a gun.The hudson tragedy could have been averted quite easily. Thanks to the gun ban, many many more Chicagoans will die when a criminal pulls a gun.

This must be one of those 'peaceful' law-abiding protests folks were referencing.It turns out, a small group of christians went into the Castro district to evangelize. While I find evangelizing a little annoying, I usually politely tell folks like that I am not interested and they say "Thank you", then go away.I guess gathering a mob and scaring the crap out of them is a good way to make sure the general public changes their mind about gay marriage...

Stuff like this makes people think that homosexuals are intolerant a-holes. While the gay population has a right to walk down the street and/or protest and talk to people, the same is true for evangelists as well. And neither group should be made to be afraid of being battered or intimidated away....

Tsk, tsk.

Not an acceptable behavior for a group of people who need support from the public....

"A group of about 30 gay rights activists from the group "Bash Back!" stormed into Mount Hope Church in Lansing, Mich. and unfurled a large rainbow flag at the pulpit. The group had also tried to disrupt the Mass by banging on cans and shouting, "Jesus was a homo.""This is urban fascism come to America's heartland. It must be quickly stopped before it gets out of control," said Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League. "

"But in the end, it wasn't the Mormons that passed Prop. 8 in California, so your nights spent suffering at Holiday Inns will be in vain. It was the people of California who voted to put bigotry on their law books and it's shameful. So let's educate them. Outreach, not Anger. We have to actually spend time on this; we can't solve it screaming for two hours at people walking into a church.

I'm ready for the fight, as long as I don't have to become a crazy fundamentalist monster to be part of it."

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2008/11/13/004417.php"During the noon service on Sunday the 9th, a protest was staged outside Mt. Hope Church by black garbed and pink-scarved gay-anarchist activists. While that distracted the security guards, about 40 minutes into the service protesters inside the church who were dressed more normally stood up and began throwing pink confetti, glitter, condoms, and fliers, shouting out slogans like "Jesus was Gay" and rushing the pulpit where they began kissing and making out in front of the congregation. Meanwhile one of the group pulled the fire alarm and several members draped the balcony behind the altar with a sign reading "IT'S OKAY TO BE GAY! BASH BACK!" These activities lasted for less than 20 minutes before most of the protesters fled the church and drove away."

So what's the right thing to do? Outreach or terrorizing churches? Which strategy will result in the change desired and which will end with MORE-homophobia, but for different reasons? How many false preconceptions about homosexuals are reinforced or created by behavior like this?

You can't force a dog to eat. You can shove as much food as you want into their mouths, but they won't swallow a morsel. Or, you can coax the dog into eating, bit by bit.

It's just commentary people, meant to inspire thought and not to condemn anyone.

I wanted to move to another thread because frankly, I don't like posting in jeffislouie-started threads. You are mistaken to assume that people who don't sign on wholeheartedly to your position 1) are zealots or 2) necessarily disagree with you on much at all.

Thank you Cady and mu for your defense of me in my absence.

Racist bastard.I'm curious - how many threads have I started? Is that enough for you to not like posting in them?I'll give you a hint - it's 6. 6 threads that I've started.And you apparently hate it so much that you continue to do it unabated. A clever, if not transparent, lie.

I'd appreciate the sentiment if it was about not wanting to hijack anyone's threads, but find the idea that someone doesn't like posting in a thread I start ridiculous, especially when coming from someone who has posted 15 times in this one.

It's silly.

I do whole heartedly appreciate the interesting posts to date. Thanks to all who have tried to remain civil, and a hearty f-off to the rest.

You are so silly.Yeah, I'm the one inciting negative attacks. It's all me. No one ever insulted me, called me names, assumed I was a life-long Republican, hurled insults at me, our President, McCain, Republicans, Karl Rove, male private part Cheney. Nope. It's all been me. Thank you for holding me accountable while giving all the other assholes on the board, NONE OF WHOM took a conciliatory tone. It's all me.

I did NOT say people are angry for no good reason. I passionately argued my position and beliefs the same as others did. What I have found to be how the LSD experience works is that once you are a heel, you are a heel. You cannot be forgiven. You cannot ever be correct. You are always, always, always attacked.

That IS the LSD experience. Don't like it? Change.

You're angry because you've been exposed to an experience where, once people form a bad opinion about you (based on your actions), it persists in spite of efforts to change it? I'm pretty sure that's just life and nothing intrinsic to LSD.

Not based on my actions. Based on my opinions. Which differ from their own.Perhaps the difference between me and others here is that I don't hold grudges over what some anonymous dipstick says on a message board. Quite the contrary - I tend to try and think about what is said and understand it, even if I disagree.

Here we have an example of someone writing a heartfelt post with a conciliatory tone. As a perfectly natural response to that post, I've already seen people unwilling or unable to let go. Why must you nice people spend so much time dwelling in the past?

Take what I wrote for what it is and move on.

Unless, of course, your goal is to change my mind and make me join the ranks of the unruly far right.

Many of you didn't like what I had to say over the last few months. Many of you were instantly enraged when I brought up things that you didn't like to hear. The difference between some of you and I is that I didn't point fingers and point out the fact that much of the Pro-Obama speech on here was really anti-republican speech. I didn't point out the willful ignorance of ignoring inexperience and a lifetime of potentially terrible decision making. I didn't go back and criticize anyone for speaking their mind. I spoke mine for quite a long time here. My last post was written with the same intention - to make my point and spit out what is on my mind, damn it all.

I'm sorry that you can't accept that sort of personality, but it has served me well and isn't likely to change. I am also sorry that some folks like the idea that I am 'playing victim'. Perhaps you might be interested in the number of times I was called names, including my personal favorite 'shitbreath', for speaking my mind and being open.

But that's free speech for you. Even a simple mind can appreciate that freedom. Sadly, many simple minds only appreciate free speech they approve of and, therefore, completely miss the point.

I also take issue with the implications that I am trying to change anyone's perception of me. I am who I am. I've always been that way. I will continue to be that way. When I feel compelled to say something, I say it. I find it troubling that you would assume there was an ulterior motive to what I wrote. There isn't. I wrote what I wrote because I believe it.

And if you think LSD is a friendly, happy, accepting place, you might just want to try reading a few posts without injecting your personal feelings - sort of like reading a case brief for the first time. You just might be surprised at how quickly the mob jumps those who don't speak popular opinion.

I continue, to this day, to warn people who are interested in participating in LSD about the nastiness and bully-like behavior that happens around here sometimes. I have yet to have someone tell me how wrong I am about that. I haven't seen many threads on LSD that DON'T contain name calling, nastiness, and personal attacks.

And frankly, I don't really care if there are people on this board that hate me. There are a few reasons for that:1) none of you know me IRL, because if you did you wouldn't hate me2) sometimes I do post just to stir the pot. I find it interesting to see how people react to opinions or comments they aren't familiar with. Nothing makes me happier than seeing someone preaching peace and inclusion resort to anger, hostility and exclusion. Nothing gives me a smile like watching someone allow their trained mind to devolve conversations into garbage when they get angry.and of course3) You are never as important or impactful as you think you are. Not you. Not me. Not anyone. I enjoy seeing people throw ego in front of logic or truth.

So call me an ass. Call me a 'fucktard'. Call me a 'dickhead'. Deride me for thinking differently than you do. Make fun of me for saying things you don't approve of. It just reassures me that I am not so wrong in saying that a law degree and the pursuit thereof does NOT make anyone smarter or better than anyone else.

To be honest, I've had better, more interesting, more inspiring conversations with high school graduates who completely disagree with me than I've ever had on a message board populated by law students, soon-to-be law students, and law school graduates. They tend not to let ego or their online persona get in the way of thought.

I may be different than you, but that doesn't make me worse. It just makes me different. Hate me for being different. That certainly falls in line with the sort of hypocrisy I've seen on LSD. Folks argue for hours about civil rights while rallying together to try and take mine away. Hilarious.

You know, jeffislouie, I do appreciate your conciliatory tone in the last few posts here -- enough so that I've kept quiet as people like Natalie congratulate you -- but it's absurd for you to act as if the hostility directed toward you is senseless or random. You have spent at least a year hurling insults and accusations at other posters -- along with Obama, Democrats, and "liberals" -- without a modicum of contrition, even when others have asked that you reconsider your tone or the extent of your remarks. Please don't pretend that people are angry with you because that's just how the "LSD experience" works. People are angry with you because you've earned it.

You are so silly.Yeah, I'm the one inciting negative attacks. It's all me. No one ever insulted me, called me names, assumed I was a life-long Republican, hurled insults at me, our President, McCain, Republicans, Karl Rove, male private part Cheney. Nope. It's all been me. Thank you for holding me accountable while giving all the other assholes on the board, NONE OF WHOM took a conciliatory tone. It's all me.

I did NOT say people are angry for no good reason. I passionately argued my position and beliefs the same as others did. What I have found to be how the LSD experience works is that once you are a heel, you are a heel. You cannot be forgiven. You cannot ever be correct. You are always, always, always attacked.