Sim2 now adds the MICO 60 to its line up. It is same as a MICO 50, but with addition of an IP addressable connection. Both MICO 50 and MICO 60 are now available with 3 different lens options. The additional lens is a super-short throw fixed focal length of .6x, usable for rear projection situations.

There was a whole lot of talk awhile ago about new LED models from Sim2. Brighter, dimmer, yada yada. Just a quibble, but I do not think adding features such as IP addressable or making it with a short throw lens makes it a new model. Its more like the basic unit is available with a three different throw range lenses and with IP addressibility. One model with options.

It's interesting that you raise this issue. I assume any motion blur tech is based on an increased refresh rate like 120hz or 240hz. When I noticed that the MICO 50 had no user control over motion control I queried the Sim2 rep about that and received a non-answer answer about the frequency of led glass being the reason for the increased refresh rate of flat panels. I'm not that familiar with the subject so I would be interested in any led projector manufacturer that has a solution to the issue. Is VDC going to enter the consumer market with this technology?

I am not sure how it works. The only info I have heard is from a couple of other people who says it works very well. If you want to call VDC or pm Scott, then that would probably be your best bet. I am going to try my best to stop in on my way back down in a couple of weeks, so if you aren't in a hurry.

As for the consumer market, they will sell to anyone as far as I know.

I am not sure how it works. The only info I have heard is from a couple of other people who says it works very well. If you want to call VDC or pm Scott, then that would probably be your best bet. I am going to try my best to stop in on my way back down in a couple of weeks, so if you aren't in a hurry.

As for the consumer market, they will sell to anyone as far as I know.

Please excuse my naiveté, but I have never seen motion blur as a problem with DLP. I have seen the MICO 50 and was not aware of any motion blur as a result of the LED light source.

I have only associated motion blur with LCD panel type projectors and flat screens.

Please excuse my naiveté, but I have never seen motion blur as a problem with DLP. I have seen the MICO 50 and was not aware of any motion blur as a result of the LED light source.

I have only associated motion blur with LCD panel type projectors and flat screens.

As Darin might say, if you don't see it then don't go looking for it. I can see it quite easily. The loss in resolution during moving scenes is one of the reasons I still like CRT. I am not sure if VDC's tech fully eliminates this issue with dlp or not till I see it. Oh, and if you see it with LCD then you should be able to see it with dlp or LCOS.

A little update as far as reviews go. German magazine "Heimkino" reviewed the Mico 50 in the July/August issue. As they have previously reviewed the Runco Q750 and made it their new reference, some might be interested how they compare. I posted a link to their Runco review (in german) in the Q750 thread a while ago.

To make a long story short here are some measurements for those interested in numbers.

Was the strobing actually the "RBE - rainbow effect" (i.e. sequential display of primary colors)? I say this because even 3chip DLP has strobing, just not RBE; something that completey caught me by surprise when I viewed a Sim2 C3X 1080.

Yes, they had a white background up and I saw strobing of primary colors as I blinked and moved my head a bit (typical of how I see it usually). Prefer to use the term strobing than RBE as it is a more accurate description of why it occurs .

Terminology. But I see your point. Its like the difference between misconvergence and CA. The misalignment of grid lines caused by two different things but the artifact caused looks pretty much the same. The better terms would be colorwheel RBE and LED stobing RBE. What do you think? RBE whatever the cause is the artifact.

I don`t see colorwheel caused RBE unless I move my head rapidly from left to right. As soon as I view normally absolutely no problem. But different people have different thresholds. Like air sickness or sea sickness. An example would be a thread post annoyance threshhold for thread blur.

I saw the vivitek LED unit at Infocomm. I was surprised that it suffered from strobing ("rainbow") effect. I am assuming the switching rate of the LEDs is not much higher than color wheel.

That's exactly what it is, switching rate is alot faster tho.
But all LED machines show this artifact so far, some more, some less - at least for some people. Those who can watch colorwheel DLPs shouldn't bother at all. DLP units with color wheels are simply unwatchable for me, within 20 minutes it feels like my head explodes.

While I can still see color seperation artifacts on LED machines, they are nowhere near as bad as on colorwheel based units. I can also only see them in darker scenes. I've previously mentioned that Public Enemy is a good demo disc for these type of artifacts, the scene when Dillinger hides in the hotel in the forest and the agents are approaching. While moving my eyes across the screen, the higher contrast areas (background/trees, faces/trees) are breaking up in a shade of grey/blue. So this is different to the rainbow artifact of colorwheel based units, where all colors were shown.

I've not had the chance to test the latest firmware on the Mico 50, but I was told it would significantly improve this issue. At least Sim2 is aware of it. Not sure about Runco and others. I can't see any such artifact in brigther scenes or with 3-chip DLP.

I've tried to show this artifact to a couple of other people on the Mico 50, but no one else could see it... lucky me, eh?

A double first. WOW! He doesn't know something about a Sim2 product. AND he said he was sorry. Just kidding about the sorry. He has said before he misunderstood what people have said in posts and modified his response. Just spoofing with CM. A very valuable contributor to our knowledge, its just that he is so shy.

My last CRT was a 9500 Ultra with new tubes and the then latest MP mods. 110 inch D 1.78 1.3 gain. No way, and I mean no wa,y any 9 inch CRT is going to put out anywhere near your claim. What drugs are you taking? I have been involved with blends for large screens say 10 ft wide or so and double and tripple Sony 9 inch stacks and no way anywhere near those numbers. You my friend are sadly mistaken. Start a thread in the CRT forum and I will go there. Lets see who can back you up. try cliffy, william K, Ken W. Noone is going to be able to validate those claims.

Like I said a nice 8"-er could do 20 fL, no special Boeing tubes, or tricks like that required. Actually their small spotsize would hurt the light output.

Defocusing the blue tube was a way of improving gray scale tracking before there was individual blue tube gamma correction. No offense, but I will just disagree and we can continue this over on the CRT forum if you wish.

It sounds to me as if this Sim2 LED machine is perfect. Perfect that is for normal mainstream Home Theater. Another way to put it is that it's a mature technology.

Front projectors have had a number of faults. At first they projected dim gray images which degraded over time. Then many people saw rainbows on other models. Some were noisy and some were hot. Some had fuzzy images from misconvergence. And all were subject to failing bulbs.

The Sim2 machine has none of these problems. By the any reasonable assessment it is just what everyone was after when they first tried to bring a movie theater experience into the home. It's perfect (for standard Home Theater movie viewing). Its only flaw is price.

It's far from perfect. There are no perfect projectors, but leaving that fact aside...

- there are still rainbows. Not like the ones we know from color wheel based projectors, but still color seperation artifacts. Manufacturers are still working on it on all LED based machines, including Sim2.

- the Sim2 is "silent" because it's water cooled. There still is a fan in the machine. The much bigger problem is the PSU, which has a high frequency noise in bright scenes. This can be more annoying than a projector which is fan cooled.

- While there's no problem with misconvergence, depending on the production run, the Mico 50 (as well as other LED based machines) can still show a serious amount of CA. I've seen this happen more than 1 pixel wide. However Sim2 has agreed to exchange that particular projector for a new one, as they considered it damaged. A certain amount of CA is normal however.

So, this is not a perfect machine. But it sure is one of the best for the "small" screen. If you want to light up a really big screen, there are better choices.