<quoted text>It may seem that way Le_Le, but that is not always true.But who am I to make that judgement.That is why you continue down your path, is it not?

I do not see those who believe the Bible gives them a "God given right" to judge and condemn their fellow manhere on earth and ultimately- to hell, relinquishing that "right,(by proxy)" anytime soon..Do you?

<quoted text>I ain't giving away the good stuff in a public forum.<quoted text>~smooch~Hey, did I tell you I was in Connecticut for the blizzard? Big fun ... The snow was up to the bottom of the cab doors. I'd seen big snows before, but that was different. Truly an experience.

PS.

Are you catching any Stripers?I have heard there have been sightings my way..already.

There was a book written by creationist John Woodmorappe in 1996 called "Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study" published by Santee, CA: Institute for Creation Research, which claimed that the fish and plants could have survived such a flood after all. He is rebutted in separate articles

But proof is evidence or argument helping to establish a fact or truth...

Proof is sufficient evidence or argument to establishes a claim as a fact, and has limited application. For example, if we were face to face in Riverside, I could prove that I wasn't in Boston, and didn't commit a murder that might have occurred there half an hour earlier.

But that is an isolated incident.

If I want to prove an induction - a generalization about how reality works both now and in the future based on the observations of events in the past, I can't do it, and needn't do it. However many times I drop an apple in a gravitational field and it falls, I cannot prove that it will fall the next time. Laws and theories can be confirmed, but never proven. That is, they can be shown to be accurate in describing the past, and useful at predicting outcomes in the future, but not guaranteed to always be true.

RiversideRedneck wrote:

Science needs proof.

Not for its greatest pronouncements, and only in the limited sense I already mentioned. I can only prove trivial facts, such as that the apple is on the floor by showing it to you there. And I can prove to you that an apple can fall by dropping one in front of you. But that's about where proof ends.

Incidentally, proof is a relative term limited by the possibility that none of this is real - so called matrix reality or vat in a brain arguments - or that it we were all created last Thursday with our present memories of a longer history.

Such radical possibilities are merely logically possible and not realistic hypotheses, but they cannot be ruled out, and at the most fundamental level, overturn all proofs. That is, a dead body is normally considered proof that there was a birth followed by growth and then a death - unless the whole world were created moments ago exactly as we see it, including with memories of a reality that never actually occurred.

Bottom line: the word proof should be avoided when discussing science.

I think it is unfair that IANS dismisses our Faith and ridicules us as such

It aint necessarily so wrote:

Unfair? This is all hate speech directed against people like me:

[1] "The fool says in his heart,'There is no God.' They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good" - Psalm 14:1

[2] "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone." - Revelation 21:8 And the result of such hate speech is predictable:

[3]“Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?”- 2 Corinthians 6:14

Here,[unbelievers] have been called fools, vile, corrupt, wicked, dark, the moral equivalent of murderers and whoremongers, and appropriate to be tortured. Not one of us is any good.

Serah wrote:

You are the one saying you fit those pictures, not I :)

Nope. It's your beautiful bible. Read it again.

And people like LAWEST use those scriptures as weapons, and then hide behind them.

Your sense of fair is discredited. You complained about being dismissed and ridiculed, I showed you why it was fair, and you blamed me and my interpretation of your bible for that, too. That's pretty common with Christians. Nothing is your fault, and any reactions or response in kind are unfair, which is why I posted this from Condell:

"I’ve been hearing quite a lot of bitching and whining in the press lately about aggressive, intolerant, atheism ... It seems religion can dish it out okay but it can’t take it: like a street thug who calls the police when his victims fight back."

Exactly. After centuries of victimizing others, Christians don't get to play victim now that the others are in a position to defend themselves and even retaliate.

Sorry, Serah. There is much I like about you, and I would rather be your friend than not. But you stand with filth - the Christian church - and even defend it. If you want to do that, then you are volunteering to receive any and all hostility that it deserves.

Serah: "I think it is unfair that IANS dismisses our Faith and ridicules us as such"

<quoted text>Judy has his e-mail and she is going to check on him.....It is a Beautiful Spring day here in the South and YES I still live by the Coast.We will be moving in a few weeks out in the country more (far away from the Summer traffic)....I'll be surrounded by Horse Farms

..."Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit," says the Lord Almighty.~ Zechariah 4:6. Lord, empower me by Your Spirit today. I do not want to do anything out of vanity or just trying to "climb every mountain" on my own. I long to be led by Your Spirit, not by human initiative and man-inspired positive thinking. Please help me to be a positive, joyful person, full of Your Spirit, inspired by Your Word, and busy about Your work as I go through daily life. I pray that all I do will glorify You and be evidence of Your power and Your might and Your Holy Spirit. In Jesus' name I pray, amen.

And I also repeat my statement although altered a touch; it is you who is calling yourself a fool, not I :O)

Wrong. Neither of us called me a fool. Your bible did. And LAWEST did.

You said that I was being unfair by ridiculing your "Faith." I argued that it has been marginalizing, demeaning and demonizing people like me for centuries, torturing us when it could, and making our lives more dangerous and difficult in others ways once it could not longer minister to us in that way.

Seriously, Serah, your religion is an enemy, and it is becoming increasingly despised as people like we Topix skeptics do our thing in various venues ranging from message boards to best selling books, billboards, buses, web sites, the news, and the entertainment media. The contempt and disgust for Christianity is gaining momentum. If you want to stand for Christianity, you will incur the contempt of those who are outraged by it. Take a side, and quit complaining about the fallout. It goes with the territory.

Ask your god why he is making it so difficult for you - why he expects you to stand up for his church, but allows it to be such a disgrace that you are chastised for doing so. Why doesn't he give you anything good to work with? Just one little indisputable miracle would help. Instead, all you get is scandals and other embarrassments.

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