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I honestly think it is just IR. You could only see it on a red background, not even white showed it. I actually hope it is just IR b.c I'm gonna say it is burn in and see how low on price they will go when the time comes.

Good luck, I'm sure you could probably age the logo out of the panel with some other content
If you put some math to it, that logo was on the screen aprox 15-20% of the time, so when I look at it like that, it's not as concerning

Good luck with the $$$ negotiation

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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma

The 9800 is no slouch ! So as of this moment, it is the 2nd best TV ever made, and for the price you paid 5X10, you stole it, you paid 40%-45% less than he did.

OK. Back for my first impressions.
I did not run slides to check for uniformity or burnt pixels after buying it. If I can't see it, I don't need to know.
The IR is getting lighter after 2 hours of pixel flipping with the WOW disk. Barely noticeable with content now. Did a simple calibration for my room at normal lighting, using THX mode for dimmed viewing.
This is my opinion and definitely not an expert.

Picture - Wow! Ran the demo material and just blown away. The depth and detail was just astounding. Blacks were truly black and the contrast makes everything look so real. Even watching the news was different.
Compared to the 4K demos they have at BB, the impact was better and honestly, I could not see much more details on the 4K.
Popped in Despicable Me and my jaw dropped.
Watched some NFL football and was amazed how the Steelers uniform was really black, lol. And the details like small creases and folds in the shadow actually are visible now.
Viewing angles were very good. Up to 45 degrees without much change in color or brightness.

Sound - The clear speakers were adequate for news and documentaries but lacked deep end thump. Went back to my AV setup but the clear stand made it difficult to run the center speaker. Found some flat wires and ran it under the 1 pc stand. Why didn't they leave leave a small gap or hole ?

So without going into details like gammas and gamuts, this TV simply rocks. Worried about longevity ? Buy an extended warranty. My TV now has over 4K hours and it's the best PQ I've ever seen. If you can afford it (or a good negotiator ), this is the set for you.

Like I promised, I will be tuning out of this site because I don't need to know what's wrong with my set without noticing it myself. Maybe my eyes or senses aren't as refined as some people here but I don't want to obsess about issues or problems that I can't see or hear. Instead of being nit-picky, I want to enjoy this new toy. I will be checking in periodically and will post if I run into any issues.

OK. Back for my first impressions.
I did not run slides to check for uniformity or burnt pixels after buying it. If I can't see it, I don't need to know.
The IR is getting lighter after 2 hours of pixel flipping with the WOW disk. Barely noticeable with content now. Did a simple calibration for my room at normal lighting, using THX mode for dimmed viewing.
This is my opinion and definitely not an expert.

Picture - Wow! Ran the demo material and just blown away. The depth and detail was just astounding. Blacks were truly black and the contrast makes everything look so real. Even watching the news was different.
Compared to the 4K demos they have at BB, the impact was better and honestly, I could not see much more details on the 4K.
Popped in Despicable Me and my jaw dropped.
Watched some NFL football and was amazed how the Steelers uniform was really black, lol. And the details like small creases and folds in the shadow actually are visible now.
Viewing angles were very good. Up to 45 degrees without much change in color or brightness.

Sound - The clear speakers were adequate for news and documentaries but lacked deep end thump. Went back to my AV setup but the clear stand made it difficult to run the center speaker. Found some flat wires and ran it under the 1 pc stand. Why didn't they leave leave a small gap or hole ?

So without going into details like gammas and gamuts, this TV simply rocks. Worried about longevity ? Buy an extended warranty. My TV now has over 4K hours and it's the best PQ I've ever seen. If you can afford it (or a good negotiator ), this is the set for you.

Like I promised, I will be tuning out of this site because I don't need to know what's wrong with my set without noticing it myself. Maybe my eyes or senses aren't as refined as some people here but I don't want to obsess about issues or problems that I can't see or hear. Instead of being nit-picky, I want to enjoy this new toy. I will be checking in periodically and will post if I run into any issues.

Happy viewing !!

You are like me. I won't run slides. Good to hear about the IR fading and that is what it really is. Did you have the "PC rated" IR? Also you mentioned demo material. Is this stuff you downloaded or is baked into the set?

Had another good OLED moment last night. Was playing Diablo on PS4 in the middle of the night with the screen brightness dialed all the way down to 3/100 OLED light and 8/100 contrast. The screen was emitting less bright light than an iPhone or iPad set to its minimum "read in bed" mode.

So relaxing for the eyes! And a perfect way to lull yourself to sleep. Meanwhile contrast and colors still look really good. With LCDs, you can't really enjoy the screen the same way at so low settings (if it even goes so low) because color accuracy and contrast go out the window.

It made the dark environments of the sewers and swamps of Act2 feel even more immersive. I really felt I was experiencing the game in a new way, and I have been through these same areas so many times on a PC Dell monitor and a Macbook Retina monitor.

Cool post. This is what I want from a display - the flexibility for bright daylight viewing and also dim nighttime viewing, while retaining reasonable colour/contrast accuracy.

Is there a quick way to change the OLED light and contrast, i.e. programmable presets that you can access with a button on the remote?

No clue, I rented it the other night and it's was black
Looked great on the oled too!

I think I figured it out. I have an Oppo blu-ray player and am using both HDMI outputs one to the TV the other to my Pioneer AVR. I have to do this because my receiver is not 3d compatible. I'm not watching the 3D version. I switched TV inputs To HDMI2 where I have the blu-ray player connected and that fixed the issue. Need to investigate further as I'm not sure why it didn't look right through the AVrR to the HDMI 1 TV input. My brain hurts.

I think I figured it out. I have an Oppo blu-ray player and am using both HDMI outputs one to the TV the other to my Pioneer AVR. I have to do this because my receiver is not 3d compatible. I'm not watching the 3D version. I switched TV inputs To HDMI2 where I have the blu-ray player connected and that fixed the issue. Need to investigate further as I'm not sure why it didn't look right through the AVrR to the HDMI 1 TV input. My brain hurts.

Different inputs, different black level settings?

With that said, there are movies out there with wrongly mastered black levels. I've encountered them both on cable and Netflix. On a LCD, I would never have noticed, but on the OLED it is really obvious that when a movie or TV show doesn't have a single moment of pure black, something is wrong.

Thought I was seeing dse with my set, while watching lost
It would appear on some cave scenes

Then I watched lost of my panny 65vt30 last night, it also looked like dse

Conclusion: it's the content
And the oled looked sooooo much better than the 3 yr old plasma

And that point can't be emphasized enough. So many times, over the years, I've seen displays blamed for issues that were really in the content. People really need to be certain that any issues they're seeing on their display, are not actually in the content they're watching.

After living with the 9300 for several days and comparing it too the 9800, I have come too the following conclusion.

The 9300 is so much better then the 9800, I would label the 9800 an OLED experiment not ready for prime time compared with the 9300. I would avoid it and if you want a much better display and you need to save money, purchase a 9300 from the sponsor of this site. You will be much better off.

The DSE and uniformity issues that will display them selves in content are not present in the 9300, I also must mention confirmed cases of burn-in.

After living with the 9300 for several days and comparing it too the 9800, I have come too the following conclusion.

The 9300 is so much better then the 9800, I would label the 9800 an OLED experiment not ready for prime time compared with the 9300. I would avoid it and if you want a much better display and you need to save money, purchase a 9300 from the sponsor of this site. You will be much better off.

The DSE and uniformity issues that will display them selves in content are not present in the 9300, I also must mention confirmed cases of burn-in.

When I watch my 9800 it does not feel like I am watching an experiment. Glad to read you are enjoying your 9300, but your experience with the 9800 does not match mine. I also love that its launch price last year was $14,999 and I paid $1999!

After living with the 9300 for several days and comparing it too the 9800, I have come too the following conclusion.

The 9300 is so much better then the 9800, I would label the 9800 an OLED experiment not ready for prime time compared with the 9300. I would avoid it and if you want a much better display and you need to save money, purchase a 9300 from the sponsor of this site. You will be much better off.

The DSE and uniformity issues that will display them selves in content are not present in the 9300, I also must mention confirmed cases of burn-in.

I've had the 9800 for two months now and watched a lot of content. I have yet to see DSE or uniformity issues with Content. I am sure if I stared at slides I could find something wrong, but again I say with content there are no issues. I disagree completely with your statement that the 9800 is not ready for prime time. I have tried a lot of tvs over the last few years...from Plasma to LED. From Panasonic, to LG (LED), to Sharp, to Samsung... This TV is absolutely the best one I have ever owned.

Yep, had to be, the second time around I went and bought one and the price tag said sales ends 8-31-14, went the next day and the tag was changed. The first time around it lasted 4 days here at the Cleveland MC.

I've had the 9800 for two months now and watched a lot of content. I have yet to see DSE or uniformity issues with Content. I am sure if I stared at slides I could find something wrong, but again I say with content there are no issues. I disagree completely with your statement that the 9800 is not ready for prime time. I have tried a lot of tvs over the last few years...from Plasma to LED. From Panasonic, to LG (LED), to Sharp, to Samsung... This TV is absolutely the best one I have ever owned.

What's the rule of thumb for setting contrast on these? The typical contrast rules would be turn it up until you can't tell the bars a part or until they are no longer solid white. However on these LG OLEDs, even max contrast seems to be fine? Are ISF calibrators just maxing contrast and reducing the cell light?

What sensor profile is deemed best in HCFR? I find the OLED one results in a greenish picture on my 9300. Not sure about the 9800, i'd assume you'd want the same profile on both. I'm using the newest version if the i1 Display Pro.

What's the rule of thumb for setting contrast on these? The typical contrast rules would be turn it up until you can't tell the bars a part or until they are no longer solid white. However on these LG OLEDs, even max contrast seems to be fine? Are ISF calibrators just maxing contrast and reducing the cell light?

What sensor profile is deemed best in HCFR? I find the OLED one results in a greenish picture on my 9300. Not sure about the 9800, i'd assume you'd want the same profile on both.

I copied some settings from another forum member who calibrated his sets and his contrast was high(98)
Oled light was pretty low, 35 if I remember correctly, he said to raise it to 60 for daytime viewing

What's the rule of thumb for setting contrast on these? The typical contrast rules would be turn it up until you can't tell the bars a part or until they are no longer solid white. However on these LG OLEDs, even max contrast seems to be fine? Are ISF calibrators just maxing contrast and reducing the cell light?

What sensor profile is deemed best in HCFR? I find the OLED one results in a greenish picture on my 9300. Not sure about the 9800, i'd assume you'd want the same profile on both. I'm using the newest version if the i1 Display Pro.

Maybe there are clues in these reviews for the 9800 at least until reviews for the 9300 start showing up...