Or to put it another way, what drove white European Christians to view themselves as superior to non-whites and to go around the world conquering or enslaving them for their own profit and benefit?

I don't know why they did that!

But I'm damned good at speculating!

it.

The Romans

When the Romans first invaded Northern Europe during 1st century BC, they encountered Germanic tribes wearing animal skins and living in thatched huts.

The Romans wore fine clothes lived in elaborate stone building, lived by written laws and legal codes and had a high degree of civilization (aqueducts, indoor baths, etc)

They looked on the animal skin wearing, thatched hut living Germanic tribes, as savages. Sound familiar.

(That’s the how the Europeans who first invaded, I mean “discovered” America viewed the Indians when they first encountered them)

But in this instance you have whites looking down on other whites as inferior!

The Germanic tribes were spread across England and most of Northern Europe.

Northern European history and culture was so affected by Roman culture that, around the 11th century AD, the pope of that period and Charlemagne created a Second “Roman Empire,” The Holy Roman Empire, ruled by the once envious “savage” tribes.

Today England has a parliament and the United States a Congress because they are both patterned after the Roman judicial system created by the cultural descendants of these “savage” tribes.

To make a long story short, Roman civilization was the dominant culture and power in that region and the known world for about a thousand years.

But as time went on the Roman ruling class became indulgent, corrupt and lazy until the wild war waging "savage”, Germanic tribes became powerful enough to over throw what was left of the “Glory” of Rome".

My Psychologically Interesting Speculations

Now here's where my speculations get psychologically interesting (at least to me)

As a result of being treated as inferior by the Romans for hundreds of years, when these “savages” finally did over throw Rome, they over compensated for the inferiority complex they had developed by putting in its place a superiority complex that masked their feelings of cultural inferiority.

It's like someone having murderous envy toward another they secretly admire, finally getting the chance to knock them off and take their place.

These “savage” tribes started feeling really good about themselves, like they were the Big Dogs!

And they were the Big Dogs!

Hadn’t they just knocked off the superior culture of the once mighty Roman Empire?

They started seeing themselves as superior and but still had the need to keep that inferiority complex covered up!

So it was easy for them to act-out their distain without guilt, on those ethnic groups they viewed as savage or inferior to them (as the Romans previously viewed them), because they saw the savagery and inferiority as coming from those groups, not from themselves.

White Anglo-Saxon Protestants in the U.S. inherited this cultural legacy of White Supremacy from the descendants of those “savage” tribes who immigrated to North America before the founding of the United States.

Further Speculations On Why There Are Racist Attitudes

Some whites grow up in racist home and social environments.

They have been "brainwashed" with racist propaganda throughout their whole early Social development as kids.

I've seen documentaries on the Klan, Neo-Nazis and other racist groups that show parents with their 3, 4, or 5 year olds at these rallies dressed in Klan robes, Neo-Nazi uniforms or other racist attire. They’re chanting racist slogans and beaming with pride and enthusiastic approval of their children for doing the same thing.

So these are some of the ways racist attitudes are passed on from generation to generation and “why they’re there in the first place” for these kids.

What's The Point Of Racism

What's the point of racism?

What's underneath it?

What’s “underneath” racism is the ideology of White Supremacy.

Certain white European philosophers perpetuated the theory, as a result of Darwin's theory of evolution, for some of the reasons I gave above and for others to complex to go into in this article.

That white people (especially white men because they dominated white society) were the pinnacle of the evolution of the human species and therefore racially superior and more privileged than all other races.

That philosophy was behind the exploitation of Africans for free slave labor and the economic gain of white businessmen during the era of the slave trade.

Africans were seen as subhuman in the evolutionary scale and therefore they weren't really enslaving or exploiting humans but something more like cattle or other beasts of burden.

When the United States Constitution was created, the enslaved Africans were referred to indirectly as only 3/5th of a person to limit the voting power of the slaves states, who because of the importation of slaves, had a larger population and therefore more voting power, than the non-slave states.

But this still allowed the slave states to maintain their investments in the very profitable slave trade.

Most of the so-called "founding fathers" if not all of them, including Jefferson and Washington were rich slave-owners. The first twelve American presidents owned slaves, some of them while they were in office.

Obviously, the Constitution was created to protect the economic rights of the “founding fathers” not the enslaved African Americans, American Indians, or any other non-white group for that matter.

As a matter of fact, in the early days of the United States, the only people classified as white were, white Anglo-Saxon protestants (WASP) who were English or descended from the English.

Italians, Jews and others weren't looked upon as white until well after the slave trade was in full bloom.

The white supremacist philosophy, the profitable slave trade and economic gain was main cause of the civil war.

The southern states, who imported most of the slave labor, whole economy was based on free slave labor and lots of people were getting rich or doing very well as a result of it.

So they weren't too happy when certain conscientious whites (like Lincoln), who may have thought whites were racially superior to blacks, but didn't believe it was right to enslaved their fellow man, wanted to end the profitable importation of slave labor.

So rather than have that occur, the political leaders of the slave states decided that they would no longer be part of the United States.

Lincoln and other leaders said, “You can't break up the Union of the United States!”

The slave states leaders said “Oh yes we can!”

And that's how in a simplified way the Civil War got started.

Some people say the Civil War wasn't about slavery, but directly and indirectly, obviously it was

White Supremacy

Hitler was a white supremacist.

He called the superior whites, Aryans.

He learned a lot of his ideas about racial superiority from the racist science and philosophy of the slave trade and Jim Crow practices of the United States (research this one for yourselves)

A Less Familiar Source Of Racism

Another less familiar source of racism is the Old Testament idea of the "Chosen People of God" who are more special to God than all other people!

And of course through much intellectual rationalizing by racist Judeo-Christian intellectuals God’s “Chosen People” were deem to be white.

They convinced themselves and others that it was Ok to deprive Africans of their rights because they enjoyed a special privilege from God, a “manifest destiny”, to dominate Africans and other non-white groups because they were “God's Chosen” people.

But the underlying core of racism is that White Supremacists don’t want Blacks or other groups they view as inferior, contaminating their “superior” gene pool with their “tainted” blood.

And white racist men jealously defend their sexual dominance over white women.

These two issues have sparked the most vehement white violence and hatred toward Black men in the long history of racial violence in this country.

It made white racist men feel sexually inadequate and inferior and an affront to their sexual dominance and pride if "their" white women preferred what they saw as subhuman, genetically inferior black men to themselves.

They become enraged with hate filled, envy and jealousy toward Black men.

Thus the formation of 'the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan" as as “Chivalric” order to protect the virtue of "the flower of the white race" (white women) from all those degenerate black men whose only desire was to deflower them (Rape them).

thus the plethora of lynchings of Black men during the late 18 and early 1900s in the United States (mainly in the southern states).

You can see how over time this hate-filled jealousy would continue to reinforce its self and how it would be attractive to other white men, who wanted to see themselves as this “Chivalrous order of knights” valiantly protecting, "The flower of the white race” from the threat of de-flowerment by “black beasts”. And the even greater threat of the "tainting" of their family’s gene pool with the blood of these genetically inferior "beasts of burden or predators".

These feelings, spurred them with a religious zeal, on a religious crusade, carrying out the most extreme violence against black men and any white women, who dared to have sex or become romantically involved with them.

(But it was ok if white men had sex with Black women!)

The flaming cross of the Klan is a “Christian” cross! They see themselves as Christians and Jesus as their Aryan savior.

A Psychological View Of Racism

From a psychological view, the point of racism is to make those groups who hold this view, feel they are superior, better and more privileged than all other ethnic groups.

It's kind of like one little kid saying to another kid, that my dad is better than your dad!

Sometimes , those who latch on to racist ideas have unfulfilled needs for self-esteem, or some other lack that they're unconsciously attempting to fill.

Or it's just racial, brainwashing, plain and simple, or a combination of brainwashing and other factors.

There are usually complex factors involved in the genesis of any problem rather than just one, especially a problem like this one.

That, in a very simplified way is “why there are racist attitudes in the first place”

I leave some questions for you to ponder and find the answers to.

I’m just stirring up the stew for you.

I've studied, pondered and researched this topic for about 20-30 years because, I wanted to know why racism and racial hatred in this country keeps rearing its ugly head, generation after generation and wanted to find out what that was all about.

And what makes it so resilient.

That’s my take on the subject.

Now it’s your turn to take an honest, truthful look at the question, why is there racism and who started it in the first place and how can we get rid of

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julia 4 months ago

I strongly think that racism should come to an end and everyone should be treated equally

Bosskdj 13 months ago

What is hilarious is that someone had to research all this bullshit and put it on here I'm his story and none of that that you put on there is true nor will you need to learn how to research and actually really research and stay off the internet go get some real bucks go find history go talk to people who've been there maybe this country's only been alive for two hundred and forty years that's it and all your history is all jumbled and made up go and read Real History travel the world learn something and they let people know talking about going back to Africa black sand come from Africa baby learn your history learn your history yeah blacks was in Europe first okay yeah I know your history and stop up here spectating you don't know nothing about racism you don't you shouldn't have any comments on it because you was never in the life of racism so stop thinking you know anything and for those who talk about dark skin evil and all that baby all humans was black when it was first created and that is scientifically proven not your history grow the fuck up and be smart about it because you don't hear sound as dumb as hell with fax it don't make sense of jumbled together stupid people we are all equal all made of the same thing y'all still up here trying to discriminate and trying to make it sound like a smart and tell me something don't be offended at what I said I'm offended because you don't know how to research and find out the truth before you put stuff out on the internet that's what I'm offended about I don't care what you say and I'm Professor a historian at a college go back to school and learn something

S Leretseh 15 months ago

Two groups are primarily responsible for trumpeting racism: Jews and Blacks. There would be no forced integration laws without these two groups...who only point their finger at white Christian people. Federal statistics show a continued and unabated pattern ...of almost 98% of violence that crosses racial lines ... comes from blacks...and their victims are white. The MSM consistently ignores it. As for Jews, since forced integration was launched in 1964, ...they hv went from a virtually powerless tiny minority group (2% of America's population)...to now controlling the whole democratic party and a good deal of the republican party. BTW, they are all white males...and their social groups remain non-integrated. They also completely control America's finances. Pretty good.

So why is the charge of racism ONLY directed at white Christian males? Because they are the only male group willing to write laws and force their group members to SUBMIT integration rights for those outside of their "group".

And why do non-whites come in human waves into white communities/ political/ economic systems? Because white males are the primary creators of "wealth". Wealth=marketable material items. They want what white males have... How they live... Their jobs... Their standard of living. An occupational ranking nature is required to produce the wealth...which is part of the innate culture of white males. Most non-white males (i.e. their respective racial groups) lack the innate capacity to produce occupational ranking environments, therefore, they produce no wealth...and, concomitantly, their standard of living is far, far less than what white males create. Hence, the guilt-tripping of white people on trumped up racism charges...and an all-out attack on white male historical figures.

Demcee collins 21 months ago

There are and always will be those who(w.a.s.p) will defend their false sense of supremacy for various reason to numurious to list....However, it is all rooted in a lie for personal gain weather its manhood pride digtiny selfworth weakness or fear...ie(the great white lie)

Very interesting facts there, it's true that you must know thyself to understand the complex concept of racism

If you tell someone that the life they live is an illusion and they are still slaves, they will look at you as a maniac when in reality they're just ignorant

When where or why racism derived from cannot be understood without studying Freemasonry and the true history of the world

When you think about it, the first people that created civilizations were Egyptians and they were black Africans, the Greeks were inspired by Egyptian philosophies as a matter of fact many Athens went to Africa to get taught mathematics, medicines, geometry, philosophy, science etc

Pythagoras for example studied for at least 20 years in Egypt, Aristotle was Alexandra the greats tutor. Alexandra conquered Egypt. Aristotle became a magnificent philosopher. How coincidental is that?

I think that when America was founded, the founding fathers were Masons who created racism to separate people from their identities in order to physically but most importantly mentally enslave them for many centuries to come

Racism is an illusion, but one must know thyself to escape this confusion

Shem is the chosen of the three through whom the messiah came. Japhet dwells in Shem's tents. Ham was already large in his own tent. In abraham any cure is lifted. Japhet felt left out and was angry about not having his own tent. So he broke away, lifted up himself and started racism. He chose to suppress and demean his brother Ham having no instruction from God. His pride and anger instructed him. Japhet has no power to curse anyone, he also is under the curse of rebellion against God. He knows this attitude is of Satan but he is angry at God. God is love. When Japhet begins to truly love his brothers he would humble himself. He who hates his brother is a muderer like cain. God loves everybody in the world and sends his son to die to save whosoever will come to him; Shem, Ham and Japhet all are welcome. There are three sons but only one heaven and one hell. they get to choose.

Azeem 3 years ago

First, I want to honor our ancient Native American Moorish ancestors (known & unknown) and honor the following posts (from Embracesme and Sheila). Well, seeing as no one has disputed my Affidavit of Fact (in over three months), it indeed stands as TRUTH; as the Bible (Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth) does read, "All truth will be revealed". All my people, the Moors (Moorish) are herein ordered to stop bickering and squabbling now!! If you are really about Love, Truth, Peace, Freedom and Justice- GET UP, GO ONLINE and GET EDUCATED!!! It begins with learning who we are and where we come from; and with that said, here are a few educational links:

www.rvbeypublications.com

www.blogtalkradio.com/tarhaka

Need some help with some issues in your life? Go to:

www.newfreehelpgroup.com

As Morpheus told Neo, "I can only show you the door; you have to be the one to open it." Your Ancient Mothers and Fathers are with you!!! Let us NOT make this farce called "Racism" an issue! The suffering ends here!!!

sheila 3 years ago

Excellent commentary!

embracesme 3 years ago

@ Azeem

Thank you very much for sharing and you are right if people don't wake up they will for every be lost because they don't want to teach the children any more they are just teaching them how to pass sat test I am glad mines are grown now but I have some more info to share with them and I will do some more research Thanks again

Azeem 4 years ago

@TB Bullock

Greetings, brother!

Read closely:

A true Mason is a Master of Self. That is what a so-called Freemason won't tell you... A Freemason is initiated into a fraternal order and is subservient to Man or in Freemason terms, His "Most Worshipful Master". I do have people in my family who are Freemasons (*tsk tsk*); but I am who I am in spite of them not because of them. Masons are born not made by man. I know self and thus, I know what is going on around me.

"He who knows himself knows the inner depths of the universe."

I know the Law and I know the past; thus, I'm not going to repeat "his-story". I have seen the past; and so I see the future.

I will not bore you any further: Just "Know Thyself"...

What did I mean by racism does not exist? As I stated before, there is only one race: THE HUMAN (HUE-MAN) RACE!!!

Lets look into the past: The mere word, "racism" did not surface until reconstruction period of the USA (after 1865).

Also take this into consideration: Racism is a "civil" rights violation and not a "Human" rights violation. Racism is a civil issue; for example, if I owed you money and I defaulted on paying you the money I owed you and didn't agree to settle the matter, then that is a civil issue. Don't ask *me* why racism is a civil issue; You should ask the people who made it up! The issue with Travon Martin (RIP) is murder; NOT RACISM! Murder is a Human Rights issue! So many so-called black children are dying from these hate crimes and not one of their family members has went to the international court for justice... They would rather get together and march for civil rights! Having knowledge of political science, I sit in conference with people from other countries on a daily basis. They tell me that they would not allow for this to happen to their own children. In fact, most human rights violations that happen to immigrants don't even make it to the media, because the US knows that they would get broken in half by that immigrant's governing body back in his/ her home country!! They pick on the most poor and broken down people; the ex-slaves. Again, racism was INVENTED to control the ex-slaves, to keep them subservient and to blind them from the truth of what is really happening them.

What truth? That so-called blacks are in a serious IDENTITY CRISIS... What is modernly coined as "Identity Theft" (which to me is laughable) is known to me as an international crime called DENATIONALIZATION - the arbitrary act of a country depriving a man of his national origin either by administrative decision or by operation of law.

Blacks are victims of Denationalization which ranks high on international crimes next to genocide and treason. Their identity (National Origin) was stolen from them at birth and they were arbitrarily labeled NEGROES, BLACKS, COLOREDS, AFRO-AMERICANS etc. Denationalization is a Human Rights issue!

I do hope you are reading this post... You might learn something...Please, just be patient and bear with me...

In fact, to get personal, My wife and I had a daughter and we went to a US HOSPITAL where she would be born. We annexed our Moorish (national) tribal name at the end of our daughter's given name on the contract for the state-issued birth certificate. When the application for the birth certificate got down to the bureau of vital statistics, the birth record would eventually end up in our hands, where we would soon discover that they had removed our baby's tribal name thus, denationalizing our child. I brought the situation before the UN. The UN along with the World Service Authority (www.worldservice.org) are currently assisting me with getting recoupment for Denationalization of our child of our Nation. Again, study the law, study yourself; seek ye the kingdom of heaven (yourself) and all will be revealed to you.

On your Furthermore question, Man chooses to do evil. When we are in tune with nature, we can and will see how one man's evil and another man's ignorance can have a staggering effect on the entire world around us. Indeed, we perish for the lack of knowledge.

Am I saying or did I say that so-called blacks will suffer the same fate that a puppet did in a children's movie if they do not become a collective and proclaim themselves? No; absolutely not.

And if you think that movies such as these are children's movies, Then you should really take a look at them and look at them closely. A wise man told me once: "Signs and symbols are for men of understanding". Again study thyself; Know Thyself... Go into YOU (Your Own Universe).

And yes; So-called blacks are the GNP (gross national product) of the U.S. and are (more correctly) without protection of ANY government! And are collectively ignorant of the truth!! YES! Again, look at what happened in Louisiana!!! It took the US a day to get to the tsunami victims in Japan but it took months for all peoples dubbed blacks, hispanics, latinos, puerto-ricans to receive aid in New Orleans!!! There were even reports of people of color being hunted down and killed by private military personnel. For crying out loud these so-called black people were labeled REFUGEES- on THEIR OWN LAND!!! How much brighter can one paint the picture? Again, Haiti, offering aid to help the Katrina victims was refused by former president, Bush Jr. in 2005. Blacks are absolutely clueless about the fact that they are subject to alien laws under the US Constitution. Blacks are not even citizens of the US and never have been! (Please don't get me started on that) What does this tell us? That tells me that should another disaster (be it natural or man made, idk) happen or should there ever be civil unrest or some sort of "epidemic", there is not a Nation on earth that can or will come to the aid of so called colored people.

Why? Because after all these years after having been set free, these so-called colored people still have not come together as a collective under their OWN National Government with a flag, seal, constitution, land etc. for which to even communicate with any other government!! Black people are infamously known as a "Nation-less" people.

Everyone who has a Nationality has a Government, a Country and Land to match! What do so-called colored people in America have that belongs to them? They (the so-called colored people) are left with granted privileges at the expense of their lands and freedoms to be themselves after European conquest. Only slaves have granted privileges.

And FYI, I never said that African-Americans "Did not receive the right to vote or to have jobs until the Bush administration." Maybe I have not been clear- Lets travel to the past again:

In 1870, Congress granted the voting privilege to the male Negroes (Misnomer); then extended it four more times -- in 1965, in 1970, in 1975 and a 25-year extension in 1982. On December 1, 2005 Congress was prompted to extend another 25 year voting privilege to the only people in the west who do not bear ONE FREE NATIONAL NAME, as do all other nations. In July 2006, Bush Jr. was the last president to reluctantly extended another 25 years of voting privileges to blacks.

And FYI I'm not making an argument; I am telling the truth.. This Moor man cannot lie... Attorneys argue; attorneys lie; every day to good, upstanding, hard-working people. I suppose some people don't get tired of being lied to. Each day I realize that people don't want the truth; and furthermore, our lessons teach us that man learns nothing by being told. Which is fine by me! I will not loose any sleep over it because I labor day and night to educate people on the power of love.

I certainly hope that I clarified myself to the people. I love my people, but I will pull no punches or hold back from beating falsehood or confusion to a pulp. Again, the best advice I can offer is Know Thyself. Before all legal arguments are brought forth about the status or legality of my family being born on American soil, but foreign to the US, I kindly ask that you read the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948).

Peace and Love.

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vveasey 4 years agofrom Detroit,MI

Hi TB Bullock

good to see you again as well

One of the reasons I write about racial issues is so

people can see some of the wacky ideas "blacks", "whites" etc, etc, can spout about race.

Many people when it come to racial issues have their heads so far up the tree trunk they can't see the leaves. They need to get their heads out of the tree trunk and take a good look at the scenery

Thaddeus Byron Bullock Jr. 4 years agofrom Clemson, South Carolina

Hey vveasey, good to see your hub appear in my notifications again and I hope you are doing well.

Azeem: Are you a Freemason yourself given that you are privy to this supposed agenda? Additionally, how exactly is it that racism "does not exist"? It certainly exists and it is definitely a problem that should and is currently being dealt with. The word itself does exist.

Furthermore, are you suggesting that this same evil while somehow non-racist agenda happened to be the driving force behind hurricane Katrina, the tsunami that hit Haiti (both natural disasters) and the holocaust (a result of radical national socialism)?

Are you saying that "so-called blacks" (not sure what exactly this means) will suffer the same fate that a puppet did in a children's movie if they do not become a collective (again, what does this mean?) and proclaim themselves (yet another strange term)?

Even more disturbing are the final lines of this comment. "So-called blacks" are the "property of the U.S." independent of governmental responsibility and are collectively ignorant of the truth??? That is a terrible and absurd claim! Almost as bizarre as the claim that African-Americans did not receive the right to vote or to have jobs until the Bush administration (please correct me if I have misunderstood your message)?

I do not mean any offense, I simply received a notification and happened to see this very odd comment, motivating me to make sure I understood the argument that you were making, as well as how it related to the original hub written by vveasy.

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vveasey 4 years agofrom Detroit,MI

I agree

Michele Travis 4 years agofrom U.S.A. Ohio

Does that sound like a good jury? Hmmm.....

Not to me, but you know what I think about it anyway.

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vveasey 4 years agofrom Detroit,MI

That's a good question considering that the jury was 5 white women and one black or black Hispanic woman, especially in that area and city.

Michele Travis 4 years agofrom U.S.A. Ohio

Racism is still a huge issue in the U.S. today. So many people say it is not, but I think they are just hiding it. Zimmerman was found not guilty yesterday. But, I wonder if Zimmerman was black and if Martin had been white, then would Zimmerman had been found guilty?

Azeem 4 years ago

If you want to find the origins of Racism, you have to look into Freemasonry. Freemasonry is the biggest cause of confusion not only here in the Americas, but all over the world! In fact every signer of the Declaration of Independence were 96% Freemasons! Yes, I know; Prince Hall was Black (a Moor in actuality); but he petitioned the first "Negro" Masonic Lodge. After being rejected by the white supremacist Freemasons, they finally came to an agreement, knowing that Prince Hall would help enslave the rest of the so-called "black" race. Think about it: Blacks today do not have a National Origin (A mother or Father for which to honor). They have accepted a fabricated history about themselves (They came off of a ship as slaves from Africa and nothing else). The people on the so-called Continent of Africa do not call themselves Africans! What they call "Africa" is actually Tamaurai (Ta-Moor-ai)! Indeed there are many puzzles missing; but the origins of this madness can all be traced back to Western European Freemasonry. Would you believe me if I told you that the word racism doesn't even exist? Yes! It does NOT. If it were truly a crime, then Travon Martin's murderer and other murderer's of so-called black people would not be allowed to roam free. Murder is murder! Murder is a crime! But Racism is not because racism does not exist. There is but one race: The Human Race!!! Racism is yet another fabrication invented by Western European Freemasons' skin color game to blind their black slaves from the truth of what is really happening to them. That truth being: the Nationality and Birthrights of so-called blacks was stolen from them during the time of slavery! Case-and-Point: White will always be better than Black! Just look in the dictionary! White means purity, god, righteous, etc. and black means: well, the opposite of white!!! A NEGRO is a slave. A BLACK man is a slave. A COLORED man is a slave. An AFRICAN-AMERICAN (these are two continents) is definitely a slave! No matter what angle one can look at it, one can add all of the science, history or laws to it and still come to the same conclusion... And then what's so sad is that so-called black people keep petitioning the US Senate for rights, jobs, and such! If blacks were really FREE, then why do they have to keep going to the courts of another Nation (US) to ask for permission? Moreover, why was the right (I mean "Privilege") to vote extended multiple times by US Presidents (with Bush Jr. being the last to reluctantly extend blacks the "Privilege" to vote in 2005)? In order for the so-called blacks to be free, they MUST proclaim and declare their lost heritage! This is what it means to HONOR THY FATHER AND THY MOTHER!!! Otherwise, they are doomed!!! It reminds me of that movie Muppets in Space: where Gonzo had a dream that he was involved in the Great Flood event. Gonzo went up to Noah's ark where Noah asked him, "What is your kind?!!" Gonzo replied, "I don't know!" Then Noah said, "Then YOU ARE DOOMED!" And slammed the ark door in his face!!!! This is the same thing that can and will happen to the people of African descent if they do not come as a collective and proclaim themselves! Remember how many were lost in hurricane Katrina? Remember the concentration camps? Even Haiti, offering aid was refused by Bush Jr.!!! Why? Because so-called blacks are the property and GNP of the US!!! The executive rulers of the US do not have to take responsibility for slaves!!! And yet they (the so-called blacks) still sit to this day in ignorance of the truth.

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vveasey 4 years agofrom Detroit,MI

Also indentured.servants could work their way out of that condition.

blacks and whites were indentured servants before the full blown trade in African slaves started.

People who wanted to come to the "new world" but didn't have the money to pay for the trip or who owed creditors money. Would sign a contract usually to work off their debt in seven years. And then they were free. They were called indentured servants, not slaves, because they could work off the debt they owed in a certain amount of time agreed upon by them and their creditors.

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vveasey 4 years agofrom Detroit,MI

I know everything you just said also and about Lincoln. I also know that he wrote in one of his speeches that he thought whites should always be in a superior position to blacks. So we're really on the same page.

And of course there are black racists, Jewish racists, Hispanic racists etc, etc. Anyone can be a racist, regardless of race, color, etc,etc.

So we're in agreement.

But you seem to be very angry and frustrated and throwing punches at me, even though I'm not throwing any at you.

What trash are you tired of and what nonsense are you talking about that's has anything to do with anything I've just wrote or have written?

Marquis 4 years agofrom Ann Arbor, MI

I know all of that...

Whites were slaves in this nation. That is a fact. Irish were among the first to be slaves who were indentured. Second, they were considered lower than African Slaves at one point.

They were the first ones to inform on the Blacks who were planning an insurrection.

I know Africa is a continent.

Lastly, Lincoln did not think that Blacks and Whites would EVER get along due to the history. That was one huge reason he wanted Blacks to go to Africa.

I am tired of the trash. If there are Blacks so unhappy about America, well then they can go. And a Black person can be just as racist as any White person. I have seen it. There are racist Blacks right now!

The nonsense needs to stop right now.

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vveasey 4 years agofrom Detroit,MI

Marquis

what you say is true about various groups being slaves. I don't think that white were slaves in this country, though some were bond servants.

The Africans who went to Africa and founded Liberia probably had no idea were there families come from on the African continent. So they were sent to that location to start a new country in Africa.

Because Africans were taken from various tribes and locations and mixed together with other tribes from other locations. Most couldn't return to their homeland because they didn't where it was.

Africa is a continent it's not a country or nation like the United States.

So when people say send Africans or their descendant back to Africa they're thinking that Africa is a country like the U.S. but it's not

And more importantly they're talking about sending Americans born and raised in this country, back to a continent they weren't born on and have never been to.

That would be like telling white Americans, born and raised in this country, to go back to the country their ancestors came from

How stupid is that.

I know you didn't say send blacks back to Africa. I'm just elaborating on the topic.

Marquis 4 years agofrom Ann Arbor, MI

Cloe234, you need to shut up with you typical victim mentality.

Seems you need to brush up on history because you know very little about many things. Whites were also slaves and so were Indians.

Whites started the Underground Railroad. Whites were abolitionists who fought against slavery. Whites even offered to send many Blacks back to Africa as well. As I may recall, not many left the U.S. because they knew America was a better place than Liberia.

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vveasey 4 years agofrom Detroit,MI

TB Bullock

I know and agree that "not all Christians of English decent are or were responsible for slavery" that would be shortsighted to assume and I don't think I said or implied that.

There have always been Christians against slavery.

England outlawed slavery before the United States. I believe that most of the abolitionists were white.

Slavery has probably existed since there were humans on this planet.

Certain African peoples enslaved other African people they saw as their enemies, to the English, Portuguese, Arabs and other's who came to buy slaves for the European and American slave markets.

But as I said this hub is more about racism than slavery.

I'll will read your hub about the new south and let you know what I think about.

Thaddeus Byron Bullock Jr. 4 years agofrom Clemson, South Carolina

Absolutely, VVeasey, I definitely see where you're coming from. As far as the Ottoman Turk question goes, I would say it would be hard to classify them as white since their empire spanned across a pretty large mass of of land, but personally I would categorize them as white. I certainly do not wish to debate the ultimate point of this hub, I simply aimed to point out that not all white Christian southerners of English decent are evil/responsible for slavery. While this is understandably the commonly held viewpoint, there are a select few that did not fit the mold. This select group of men hardly ever receives recognition for their humanitarian efforts, which is not as frustrating as it is obstructive towards the global, collective effort towards ending prejudice and backwards ways of thinking, something that I feel is very important. Did you read my Hub "The New South?" It's a little bit different, but I feel as if you might enjoy it. Thanks again.

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vveasey 4 years agofrom Detroit,MI

TB Bullock

This hub is not about who was the first to try to help free American slaves.

There were many abolitionists white and black etc,trying to do that as well.

It's not about who was the first to enslave Africans.

It's about how racism as we know it started in this country

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vveasey 4 years agofrom Detroit,MI

TB Bullock

Thanks for your comments

what you say about the Turks may be true are they considered part of the "white" race?

The Arabs and the Portuguese were big slavers too.

The word slave originated form the world Slav because they were the main people that the "Holy Roman Empire" used for what we now call slaves

Origin:

(1250–1300; Middle English sclave Medieval Latin sclāvus (masculine), sclāva (feminine) slave, special use of Sclāvus Slavic, so called because Slavs were commonly enslaved in the early Middle Ages Dictionary.com)

[ Old French from Medieval Latin Sclāvus a Slav, one held in bondage (from the fact that the Slavonic races were frequently conquered in the Middle Ages), from Late Greek Sklabos a Slav. Collins English Dictionary - Complete & Unabridged 10th Edition

The 3/5th compromise was made because the voting power of the states was determined by population size, which gave the slave states more voting power, because of the vast slave numbers in their populations. So the 3/5 comprise was a way of limiting their voting power.

I'm aware that ole "honest" Abe was a white supremacist but he didn't believe in enslaving his fellow man.

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races - that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race. I say upon this occasion I do not perceive that because the white man is to have the superior position the negro should be denied everything."

Very well written and informative hub, I enjoyed it. However, the Muslims and the Ottoman Turks were the first people to enslave Africans. Wealthy white businessmen certainly were responsible for capturing the bulk of the slaves that were brought to America, but the first person to ever take action to end slavery was William Wilberforce, who was an English philosopher. If you read the unedited version of the rationale behind the 3/5 compromise, the chief justice (who was from NY) ruled that slaves "were not people", and therefore should only count as 3/5 of a person. A little known fact about Lincoln is that he was actually a white supremacist! I was shocked when I first learned that. I agree with you that anybody who is a racist is a deeply insecure and hateful (not to mention ignorant) person. No need for that in any circumstance. Any self-respecting individual knows that they have a moral obligation not to debase themselves to the level of hating any human being on the basis of factors that are completely out of their control. Great hub and take care.

Cloe234 4 years ago

Billy Bob, well you came across very ignorant. Africans didn't voluneer to come to this land to work for free, they were forced. They were brought here to do the work white people were to lazy to do. Just remember that we (black people didn't start this racial component). Tell your people to stop the racism, they are the one who stated it. If I have my way I would have been born in Africa.

Bob 4 years ago

You're right. Since they are technically Americans, Alaska would be the best choice.

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vveasey 4 years agofrom Detroit,MI

I think you seem to think that blacks aren't Americans

is that what you're saying?

Bob 4 years ago

I didn't mean to come across as ignorant. If the Africans won't take them, then where should we send the negroes? Western Alaska might work, but I don't think they like the cold temperatures. What do you think?

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vveasey 4 years agofrom Detroit,MI

Bob

Hahahah that's really funny

especially since you're expressing a racist view yourself.

The majority of blacks in this country can't go back to Africa because they have never been to Africa and weren't born in Africa, and Africans don't view them as Africans.

They were born in the United States and their families have probably been here as long or longer than yours.

How would you like it if I told you, an American citizen, because I don't like you, that if your family/ancestors, originated in any country but the United States, you should just go back to the country they originally came from.

How stupid is that?

Bob 4 years ago

I'm so tired of racism in this country. I wish all of the blacks would just go back to Africa so it would stop.