Today, following the shooting massacre of 20 children in a Connecticut school, President Obama said that "meaningful action" needed to be taken to prevent such tragedies from happening in the future.

But what "meaningful action" can Obama actually take, given Republican control of the House and Congress' deeply felt fear of the politically mighty National Rifle Association? And politics aside, what new laws would actually solve or make a dent in the country's crazed-gunman problem?

Rep. Jerry Nadler said thinks that the president has only one option.

"Theres only one meaningful action he can take, which is to take on the N.R.A., label them as the enablers of mass murderers* they are, really push for strong gun-control legislation and call out those congressional leaders who dont support it," Nadler told me this afternoon.

"It is time to call out the N.R.A. as enablers of mass murder and start embarrassing people and saying, 'Who do you stand with? The parents and children of this country or the potential mass murderers?'"

Nadler said there's nothing else Obama can do, realistically.

"There is no other meaningful action," Nadler said. "He has to know that. ... I cant imagine what else he could have meant."

Nadler attributes the N.R.A.'s power to its ability to terrify politicians.

"If you cross the N.R.A. in certain districts, you know that X percent of people are going to come out and vote against you just because of that," said Nadler. "The N.R.A. will come out and run dishonest ads saying you're in favor of taking guns away from hunters."

By Nadler's logic, the only way to counteract the N.R.A. electoral influence is to wield the power of really bad P.R., and he thinks the president is well-equipped to do that, even if he's been unwilling in the past.

By that reasoning I think we can call Islama a mass murderer since under his watch thousands of assault guns were walked across the border and hundreds of Mexicans died as well as two American border patrol agents. Nobody is going to tell me he didn’t know about it.

Conversely, he might consider the ACLU as enablers since it was they who sued to open the doors of mental institutions and make it virtually impossible to institutionalize a mentally imbalanced individual like Adam Lanza.

The usual suspects show up ranting the same old verse. Idiots. Guns don’t kill people; people kill people.

What about the health care system which does not exist for people with mental health problems? Where’s the money for that? Didn’t NY dump a bunch of mentally ill patients onto the streets a few years ago? Why did they do that? Same reasons they do for the “not good for the public”.

It is time to call out the N.R.A. as enablers of mass murder and start embarrassing people and saying, ‘Who do you stand with? The parents and children of this country or the potential mass murderers

I stand with the millions of AMERICANS that carry concealed that would have dropped this piece of shit in a heart beat had we been there. Stop the game playing with dead children you friggin moron. Those guns did not walk into that school on their own. A sick demented human being did that. We have a PEOPLE problem not a gun problem. Shame on YOU............

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posted on 12/14/2012 7:48:03 PM PST
by SECURE AMERICA
(Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)

And the millions killed by abortion and the carnage in the inner city does not count according to him. The Democrats twist reality to fit their version of the facts. They have no respect for life. This is all about control.

"In the waning days of the Bush Administration, Rep. Nadler continued to be a prominent voice against White House abuse of power, investigating those with a hand in illegally spying, torturing or depriving individuals of due process. A passionate believer in accountability for executive abuses, Nadler has held numerous high-profile hearings and introduced several key bills designed to restore balance and the rule of law, including the State Secret Protection Act, the American Anti-Torture Act, the Midnight Rule Act, and a resolution against pre-emptive pardons by President Bush."

The Libs are already drooling over this, They will propose insane gun-grabbing. When the Repub House disagrees, the Repubs will be branded mass murderers in the 2014 election, with pictures of this shooting run 24/7. They will get and show photos of the dead kids lying on the floor. Might work unless Boner and Co. get off their asses.

Folks that support the 2nd Amendment need to get out in front of the sure to come calls for legislation.

You cant arm 5 year olds...so the argument that more guns will make society safer will be seen as idiotic by the majority of Americans...

If we cant afford the government now we certainly cant afford putting armed guards in every elementary school in the country..

In the USA, after today, the idea that universal access to firearms is acceptable is dead.

Folks who support the 2nd Amendment need to come up with solid proposals to keep guns out of the hands of the crazies. If we don't do that, the rest of the country is going to figure out ways to keep guns out of every ones hands...

Don't bank on that saving us. The Republicans never have the guts to speak out and bring up their own issues, always playing defense.

If they ever wanted to actually engage instead of huddle in fear they should come out against the Dems for all the cash they've thrown at education without so much as a nod to school security. They pay for mountains of useless paperwork when the kid's safety should be their #1 priority. It's never an issue until a tragedy like this but this wasn't the first school shooting. And guns aren't the only threat.

True, it is a tragedy. But we need to wait until all evidence is in by the responsible people first. Don't let the news media dictate what may or may not happen. There are several US cities that have total gun bans but yet they're the highest in gun deaths. More people were shot in Chicago than the US suffered in all of Afghanistan last year, and Chicago has one of the most restrictive gun laws in the US. If you think total gun control works I think people are sadly mistaken. Look at those countries that have a total gun ban. Why are there still shootings? Doesn't Norway have restrictive gun control? But yet a deranged man managed to obtain an automatic weapon and murder 80 plus. I read from time to time that in the UK there is still gun violence. How have their gun laws worked for them? Or in Australia or in New Zealand. It's all well and good to call for more restrictive gun control but it simply doesn't work. In the US there are 60 million plus people with over a hundred million guns with billion of rounds of ammunition. How do you confiscate all that especially when states rights come into the picture. Each state has its own constitution that has gun rights written into it. At first, if it were possible for both houses of government to enact a prohibition against guns several things will happen. First, all those guns will go underground, buried. Secondly the value of those guns plus the ammunition will sky rocket. It will be a near impossibility to write any law banning guns.

Sorry for the rant but I'm totally p**ed at the MSM for politicizing it. I'm thinking and praying for those families. What they are going through tonight.

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posted on 12/14/2012 8:08:44 PM PST
by SkyDancer
(Live your life in such a way that the Westboro church will want to picket your funeral.)

The counter is that those who create gun free victim zones are the enablers of mass murder.

The Pearl (MS) High school shooting in 1997 was the first of the recent phenomenom of school shootings. I remember it well, because one of the students who was wounded is my cousin's boy. In this case, the shooter was stopped by Coach Joe Myrick, who kept his Model 1911 Colt .45 in the glove compartment of his pickup truck. He caught up with the shooter while he was reloading, and disarmed him.

Naturally, the MSM and the school powers-that-be learned the wrong lessons from this encounter. They decided that stronger security measures, metal detectors, and zero tolerance for any type of weapons was the right answer.

They were wrong.

I believe that if more members of the faculty had the opportunity to defend their campus as Coach Myrick did, the rash of school shootings would disappear.

The more posts I see about liberals demanding all sorts of bans and confiscation, the more convinced I am that this was a staged or at least provoked act. They do know well how to find and motivate dupes to do their bidding.

The leftists have been slavering for a high profile massacre for decades to push their confiscation dream into reality.

I'm afraid this won't be enough. I have a bad feeling this event will galvanize support for gun control and at the very least, we can expect a line-for-line resurrection of the Clinton-era AWB right around the corner. Obama will cut a deal with House Republicans to push it through. Obama currently enjoys political capital that Clinton didn't have in '94. He doesn't have to worry about re-election and nobody's afraid of the "Angry White Male" like they were two decades ago. The minority and female voters who sent Obama back to the White House will support him on this.

Twenty dead kindergartners a week before Christmas changes things. Every soccer mom in America is going to be howling for Obama to do something.

Folks who support the 2nd Amendment need to come up with solid proposals to keep guns out of the hands of the crazies.

Now there's an idea! Why didn't we think of that? While we're at it, let's keep cars out of the hands of drunk drivers.

How could we do that? Well, let's start by passing laws that prohibit children, criminals and the mentally ill from owning weapons - and let's prohibit drunk driving. Yeh, that should be a good start.

Oh, wait a minute, we already have such laws, as does Mexico.

The Mexican Constitution guarantees the right of Mexicans to possess arms. Even so, gun control laws in Mexico are very strict, and police discretion in enforcement makes possession of firearms of greater than .22 very difficult and risky for normal citizens. As you can read in the papers everyday, strict guns laws in Mexico sure have solved the crime and murder problem there!

Here's an idea: School teachers in Israel are allowed to carry weapons and there hasn't been a school shooting there in decades. p But, I doubt your desire to do away with the 2nd Amendment is swayed by facts. For the record, what other parts of the Constitution would you like to change?

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