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View Poll Results: Most bannable card in Legacy? (not that they will touch it)

Re: All B/R update speculation.

If you're going to gaslight us like this at least have the decency to edit your post, lol.

Well, if I was not clear, then I apologize, but I said it as best I could at the time.

Also, no, I am not going to edit after the fact, since if I said something stupid, I'll let it stand and deal with it after the fact. It's unclear to me how you read my point as exactly the opposite of what I intended, but then again, I know what I was trying to say, so I have no idea how to read it otherwise.

So, I don't really understand your point, or know how to address it.

"The Ancients teach us that if we can but last, we shall prevail."
—Kaysa, Elder Druid of the Juniper Order

Re: All B/R update speculation.

Re: All B/R update speculation.

Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew

Well in America it used to be synonymous with the "moral majority" but now adays I'd say it best describes non voters who are becoming more active. In part because aging millennials have has enough of the Boomer's shit.
But this isn't the politics thread so I'll leave the lesson at that.

Re: All B/R update speculation.

Originally Posted by FourDogsinaHorseSuit

Well in America it used to be synonymous with the "moral majority" but now adays I'd say it best describes non voters who are becoming more active. In part because aging millennials have has enough of the Boomer's shit.
But this isn't the politics thread so I'll leave the lesson at that.

Well it's basically the politics thread of the Source, isn't it? That's one way to explain/understand the difficultiy in carrying out discussions and why many people seem so offended by the discussions here, they probably are by political discussions too [edit: well I'll have to include myself there too, I can get quite annoyed with some, as I perceive, narrow views sometimes, both in politics and hete] . I get curious about what you mean by boomer's shit but that I guess is not for this thread after all..

Re: All B/R update speculation.

Originally Posted by pettdan

Well it's basically the politics thread of the Source, isn't it? That's one way to explain/understand the difficultiy in carrying out discussions and why many people seem so offended by the discussions here, they probably are by political discussions too [edit: well I'll have to include myself there too, I can get quite annoyed with some, as I perceive, narrow views sometimes, both in politics and hete] . I get curious about what you mean by boomer's shit but that I guess is not for this thread after all..

Re: All B/R update speculation.

Originally Posted by ahg113

It's not blue, but very good. Must be OP, keep the status quo, ban it.

/s (?)

Yeah, I would never ban this card.

Just for the sake of discussion, what does WOTC need to do to keep a good card from being co-opted by the blue shell? On the face of it, RG is a pretty unsplashable mana requirement, but Wrenn and Six most often appears in blue decks. I feel like WOTC made a reasonable effort to make this card good and also not just automatically slot into blue decks, yet here we are.

Re: All B/R update speculation.

Originally Posted by ESG

Yeah, I would never ban this card.

Just for the sake of discussion, what does WOTC need to do to keep a good card from being co-opted by the blue shell? On the face of it, RG is a pretty unsplashable mana requirement, but Wrenn and Six most often appears in blue decks. I feel like WOTC made a reasonable effort to make this card good and also not just automatically slot into blue decks, yet here we are.

The only way I see is to give card selection/ interaction of equivalent power to other colors, since that is the only powerful thing that blue wouldn't co-opt since they already have a plethora of options. Every other powerful printing will either be too expensive (and inefficient to play in non-specialized, non blue shells) or will be able to be splashed in a blue shell. It is an asymmetrical relationship between blue and other colors, where blue gets access to all the goodies that other colors have by virtue of its strengths, yet none of the other colors have access to the same level of goodies blue gets (stack interaction and card selection). Cards like stoneforge, wrenn, deathrite fit in and benefit non blue decks, but blue decks just utilize them better for the most part. People think cards like Griselbrand, Depths and whatnot are just stupid cards, but we are at a point where the only way other colors compete is by playing these 'stupid cards' since most of the time they simply cant compete in terms of stack interaction and card selection while having the same power level blue decks have access to. Cards like Veil of Summer are a step in the right direction I think.

Re: All B/R update speculation.

Just for the sake of discussion, what does WOTC need to do to keep a good card from being co-opted by the blue shell? RG is a pretty unsplashable...

Anything with low cc and strong synergy with fetchlands is liable to find its way into the xerox shell. People have been playing 3 and 4 color U-shell stuff forever, it's a little silly to expect an RG in the casting cost to be a big hurdle.