‘Climate of Hate’ Obsessives Ignore Culture of Death

Two weeks ago, a deranged young man slaughtered six innocent people and wounded 14 more. Before the rivulets of blood dried, demagogues at the New York Times and Newsweek, along with a bevy of snarling cable news pundits and guileless politicians, pounced on “the right” for creating a “climate of hate.” They rushed to judgment — and were exposed as charlatans and fools when the truth came out. Jared Loughner is a young man with what appears to be severe mental illness, one who likely has never heard of the conservative politicians, commentators, or personalities the left rushed to libel.

What precious few scraps of information did come out about Loughner’s meager frame of political reference sent the media running from the whole question of his ideology. (A high school friend called him “very liberal.” He became infuriated at the mention of George W. Bush. He fixated on a bizarre film promoting decidedly non-Tea Party ideas.) Loughner had served his purpose as the catalyst for a smear campaign. When the narrative of “right -wing violence” ceased to be even remotely plausible, the media dropped their focus on the story.

A week later, we were treated to the sight of the same pundits and politicians scurrying away from an even more gruesome, loathsome crime — this time with hundreds of victims and clear-cut political implications.

Why? The reasons are blindingly obvious. The perpetrator was Dr. Kermit Gosnell, an apparent serial killer of hundreds of newborn babies — a man who collected the severed body parts of his victims in jars as macabre trophies of his butchery.

Despite the fact that warnings of his crimes were repeatedly reported to the authorities — by victims and his own employees — he was ignored for years by the authorities. Why? Because Gosnell was an abortionist, protected by pro-choice politicians who would rather his murder spree continue than its exposure threaten the practice of abortion itself. He was finally undone, not because of his decades of killing, but because he also profited from dealing prescription drugs.

It never should have gotten this far. Gosnell was neither a gynecologist nor an obstetrician. He did not employ nurses or anesthesiologists. Instead, he operated in squalid conditions that would have seen any fast food restaurant shut down. He repeatedly botched procedures, occasionally leaving the ripped-apart remains of his smallest victims inside the bodies of their injured and infected mothers. Gosnell should have been shut down decades ago. He should have lost his medical license and been imprisoned.

He wasn’t for one reason, and one reason only.

Some politicians view abortion as sacrosanct. They regard “choice” as the most cherished of “rights,” even though it manifests itself as nothing less than infanticide. Gosnell’s crime spree lasted for decades because government agencies, hospitals, and abortion advocates knew of his brazen crimes and chose to do nothing.

While I have always been appalled at the method of inciting pure hatred against the right by inventing reason for accusation; I have since Laughner had a hard time to suppress ‘hate, which I struggle with ever since.

It is not my nature to hate anyone; but I find it difficult not to hate in these two incidents, more so for the brutal killing for these innocent, and helpless little children – humans!

You captured it in raw form, and truth; as you mentioned ‘mengele’. So true, he experienced the most gruesome display of evil. Gosnell, a real-life display of the evil of a man, and his accomplices, including those who feel ‘killing babies’ is a ‘sacred cow’!

I HATE what these wicked people stand for.
I HATE the hypocrisy and duplicity of the media.
I HATE the evil philosophy behind “abortion rights”.
I HATE the unmentioned racism behind the “right to choose”.
I HATE the untold number of unprosecuted murders that have occurred.
I HATE that these wicked people get rich, and with taxpayer dollars.
I HATE the pathetic interpretation of our constitution.
I HATE the judgement it has brung on our nation.

There, I said it…I’m a hater.

Full disclosure: Yesterday, I happened to listen to both Limbaugh and Beck.

Ken and Cali we can misplace our hatred for we live in an evil and dangerous environment with many captured by that evil, yet some can be separated and saved from the evil while others cannot be drawn away. We hate the evil rather than the person but the evil person is filled with the hatred that comes from the evil. So put your hatred to work against the system and invite the practitioner to leave the system behind.
When they can’t or won’t do this they go out with the system. Love is in that invitation to leave the system but we have no power to separate a person from evil. He can only do that by the grace of God but we can be free.

One can’t confidently say it DOESN’T happen in Matthew’s idea of a “rational” country. However, the monolithically bien-pensants newspapers & other media in such countries would never be so gauche as to RUN WITH such a story.

The difference between us and Matthew’s “rational” outsiders is our access to certain media who are willing to treat this story like news, and our refusal to let his preferred informational gatekeepers be good enough for us. I could go on–but of course, in a “rational” country, I’d already have said too much.

WOW~! No one has said it better! You are so on target Mr. Owens. Thanks for your boldness and honesty. What will it take to expose the hypocrisy of the left? More Kermit Gosnell’s? My God, I hope not. You absolutely hit the bulls-eye with this one. Keep up the good work of taking those scales off of those who are asleep at the wheel.

This kind of butchery and debauchery can be found in any major city in any state in the United States. This kind of butchery is promoted by and celebrated by the Godless Leftists in the USA as a Right, while these same Godless Leftists raise un-holy hell at the mention of saying a prayer in a public place. And, what is particularly troubling about this practice, is that public schools have counselors, nurses, teachers and social workers who direct young girls to these butcher shops where they can receive abortions with or without parent consent or even the knowledge that their young kid daughter is even pregnant. And, if this were not bad enough, then the taxpayers wind up funding these butcher shops because the majority of the young girls are on medicaid. And, the bills for these murders are paid by the government that extracts the monies to fund these butcher shops from tax payers.

And these same Liberals who Defend Abortion Rights scream bloody murder when a child rapist and murderer is facing the death penalty for his crimes. The Leftists Support The Rights of Rapists, Butchers and Murderers and say it is “Inhumane and Cruel and Unusual Punishment” when defending the Rights of A Death Row Inmate and Hold Candle Light Vigils and Pray for The Murderers, rapists, and butchers on Death Row, while at the same time, say, “It is unconstitutional to allow kids to pray in schools.

If the leftists would examine their belief systems and the causes they are willing to protest, fight, vigil and pray for, they would realize just how insane they truly are. Liberalism truly must be a mental disorder, and if it is not a mental disorder, then it must mean that the Liberals are just Plain Evil and Knowingly Support the Murder Of Soon To Be Born Babies and the Mangling of the Young Girl Victims of the Procedure. I would rather believe that the Liberals are just Seriously Mentally Ill than to believe that we have that Many Evil People Living Amongst us everyday who have the freedom to mix and mingle in a civilized society. God help us all, and I pray for all the Butchered Babies who have already been sacrificed at the Alter of The Evil Liberalism in the USA and I pray that we will soon Select Just and Decent Leaders who will finally Declare That The Murder of Unborn Babies is Murder and it is a case of Murder much more Evil and Cruel than the Murder Of An Adult, who at least had some time on earth to pursue his or her dreams and aspirations in life. The Unborn Babies Who Are Murdered and Put In Jars as trophies for some sicko doctor, or Flushed Down The toilet or Put Into Ice Chests and Sent to Stem Cell Research Facilities, or put into trash dumpsters never Had A Chance To See What He Or She Could Have Been.

A Human Life Is A Terrible Thing To Waste, and It is a Crime When Some Government Agency, Bureaucrat or Judge Decides that An Unborn Baby Has No Right or even the chance to Seek Life, Liberty and The Pursuit of Happiness. If we cannot and will not defend the Rights of the Unborn who Cannot Defend Themselves, then we all have become Cowards and by our Silence and Lack of Action, we are Supporting With Our Silence this Evil Practice that is Depriving the Totally Innocent Unborn Child Of All His or Her Human Rights, Civil Rights, Constitutional Rights and More Importantly of the most sacred thing there is on earth, and that is Life Itself. Who has the right to commit such horrid and horrendous acts? Answer: Anybody in the USA that has an MD behind his or her name has a license to commit these atrocities which are sanctioned by government, laws, courts and the Silent American Population who allow it. And, of course, the Liberals Applaud these procedures and claim that We, As A Nation, are better off For These Progressive Steps We Have Made In Making The Buthcer of Unborn Babies Legal. The Liberals Celebrate Roe Versus Wade the same way Football Fans Celebrate when Their Team Wins The Super Bowl. I pray for those butchered babies, their tormented would-be mothers, for the young girls who are now pregnant and considering this act, and for a nation that allows this butchery to continue. A nation that sanctions and funds such practices will not long survive nor should it be allowed to? There are some acts by mankind that are just too evil to speak of, and these butcher shops which we euphemistically Call Planned Parenthood Clinics, are an affront to any civilized and decent person or nation. They call these butcher shops Planned Parenthood Clinics. If they were at least honest about it, the would call them, Planned Un-Parenthood, since these young girls do not become parents, they become Would Have Been Parents had they allowed their unborn child the opportunity of Life, Liberty and The Pursuit Of Happiness. Butchering an unborn baby is the most vicious form of Birth Control I have Ever Heard of, and they say we have become a Greater Nation Because of Progressivism. Well, folks, not all Progress is Good. And, everything that has the Label Progressive on it, I shun like I would any form of Evil which I confront. I pray for the End Of Progressivism in the USA forever. Amen

The left has to defend the criminal because they know in their own heart that they live in that same condemnation and the crimes of the criminal rests on their own head. Matthew 23 near the end of the
of the chapter.

“Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh.” If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman’s two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said “the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.”

OK – enough already. The doc was just providing a service that people wanted – like changing oil or cleaning a house. Haven’t heard much about the guilt of the women who came to him – they have their collective heads in the sand regarding what’s growing in them? If in 2011 they haven’t a clue about the stages of a baby in the womb, then it’s time to start charging and trying these women as accessories to murder.

Why don’t we hear about this? I remember when the abortion doc (can’t remember his name) was shot. WOW, did we hear about that! What a lecture the pro-lifers got! Now, hardly a peep. This really makes me ill.

When Tiller got shot and the Left was getting all sanctimonious about it, Ann Coulter had the much-needed nerve to say “Now the score is 50 million to 5.”

Yeah, the Left is incredible with their “special edition” of every one of their TV shows devoting a full hour to an abortion doctor’s death, but they’ll look the other way and whistle when it comes to this sickness.

Deut. 30:19 “..I have set before you life and death, blessing and curses. Now CHOOSE LIFE, so that you and your children may live and that you may love the LORD your God and listen to his voice….” The left continually chooses death, decay and suffering. In other words, sin, because they refuse to believe and look to the Truth.

It is too soon to tell with certainty, but the difference between Jared Loughner and Kermit Gosnell is that one is crazy but the other is evil. Their similarity, again, too soon to tell, with certainty, is that our government policing function totally fell apart.

Monsters walk in our midst. A prime reason this is allowed is that powerful ideologues demand silence, look the other way, when mass murder is discovered. By their logic, evil is due to ugly guns or political posters. By their sense of justice, if you kill a nine year old child, you are a vile murderer, but if you kill a baby, in nine seconds, you are exercising your right to choose, albeit tardily.

Crazy and evil are difficult to distinguish, particularly if you read newspapers.

I worked less than 2 miles from a clinic who did late term abortions outside of Atlanta(I passed the barbwire-fenced facility on my way to lunch)for two decades.

I met a nurse who worked there for years and she spoke of the horrors that went on inside. She told me about the personal conflicts she had while working there until her last day.

The final straw was a case where they performed an abortion at the beginning of her shift. But the baby was born alive. Their policy was to let the baby die of it’s own volition. At the end of her shift, 7 HOURS LATER, the poor little girl finally died…it laid on a stainless steel table in a lab, naked, cold and uncared for it’s final hours on earth.

I was neutral on the abortion issue until then, buying into the prevailing logic of my (then, now ex) wife: “If you’re a man, you have no say on the issue.”.

I was also kind of neutral on the abortion issue until about 23 years ago when my wife and I discovered that we couldn’t have children due to a medical condition. We adopted a set of twins from Korea, boys, who are to this day happy and healthy and have brought tremendous joy and much love into our household. I will be forever grateful to the birth mom of my sons who, although I have never met and do not know, must surely have been pro-life to have the babies and then give them up for adoption. There are thousands of families who would be more then happy and willing to adopt unwanted babies so why in the world are we killing our children? It makes no sense to me. I read a little bit about this Gosnell character and his activity and brutality is on a par with that of the infamous Dr. Josef Mengele of Auschwitz fame. A true butcher.

What is the rationale behind late term abortion? I mean in most countries, you can’t do it after 3 months, period. Even the name is a contradiction. If it’s late term, it’s not an abortion. It’s a birth. It truly is barbaric.

The Left insists that raising farm animals is adding to “global warming”, so, why waste all of that edible “flesh” from the abortions which could be served in the finest gourmet restaurants? After all, according to them, a fetus isn’t a “human”.

Will any one go to jail for this? This gross dereliction of their duty? Will the Tucson sheriff go to jail for his dereliction, discouraging those who would have pressed charges against Laughner? And then Rahm makes his way onto the Chicago ballot. Are there any laws that mean anything? I’m thinking not. The laws didn’t protect the victims of this doctor.

It is with deep concern that I have watched the events unfolding in Philadelphia the last few days. The continuing persecution of Dr. Kermit Gosnell, whose work in protecting the right of womyn to exercise free choice has been a beacon of social justice that all medical professionals should emulate, has been placed in jeopardy by an overzealous prosecutor and a grand jury with a lack of legal understanding and no knowledge of constitutional law.

First of all, let me begin by saying that Roe v. Wade has settled once and for all that womyn have a right to terminate their pregnancies at any point, up to and including the fourth trimester. This right is absolutely essential in My Struggle and social justice. Without the right to abortion on demand we would find amerikkka back in the throes of the patriarchal dictatorship when people were supposed to exercise “restraint” rather than being able to freely express themselves in whatever way they saw fit. Dr. Gosnell, with his heroic actions to preserve free choice for womyn, has shown the way forward for all of My faithful followers. Our commitment to the preservation of choice must be absolute, trumping any other concerns.

Secondly, I wish to point out that had the rest of the Senate had the foresight to follow My leadership against the dictator Bush, this would not even be an issue. I stood alone against the puritanical sex police who shoved the Born Alive Infants Act down this nation’s throat. The trouble Dr. Gosnell currently suffers is due entirely to this vile law and its pernicious, unconstitutional insistence on trying to attach “human rights” to an insignificant blob of cells.

You people out there have got to accept the truth. The truth is that if womyn don’t want to be punished with a baby, then it is there absolute right to not be punished with a baby. The stage of development for the fetal tissue is completely irrelevant to this argument. The ONLY thing that matters is the preservation of womyn’s right to choose. NOTHING else has any meaning whatsoever in this debate. The fascist, anti-choice right would have you believe that they are trying to preserve “life”. Well, the Supreme Court has already determined what is and what is not “life”, and once the Supreme Court has given a ruling I agree with then the matter is settled for all time… Read the rest here…. http://beautifulletters-bls.blogspot.com/2011/01/president-obama-issues-pardon-for.html

“‘How to reduce the number of late-term abortions: Make it easier and safer and cheaper to have an early term abortion.’”

It’s a human baby, or it’s not. Nothing magical happens when the baby takes it’s first breath-there is no logical difference in killing it right before birth and killing it right after conception, esp given that it’s first breath can be anywhere from 22 weeks to 40+ weeks and it survive. The heart beats at about 8 weeks. It LOOKS like a baby then. It can move then. So how does one rationalize being able to kill it then but not later? Size? What IS the determination for you? Walnut-sized okay, can of coke sized not okay? Hmmm?

Kermit is a man without a conscience. When the Planned Parenthood was started, she was able to secure the acceptance of Black pastors, even though they knew abortion was murder. When the sperm meets the egg, a NEW life begins. It takes 9 months for the process to comes to fruititon
. It is alive when the sperm and egg meet and after the new life is out of the womb.

When you plant a watermelon seed, it germinates and soon a nice red melon is eatable. Umm. We all experienced the birth process, and with scientist and evolution teaching anti-God creation, The Dr. felt no compassion, afterall, medical school told him he was not a killer but it was a scientific experiment. He did as he was trained to do–kill.

“The Tea Party Movement is about fiscal prudence, states rights and small government. Get it into your skull.”

Yeah. Right. (Matthew)

“is no logical difference in killing it right before birth and killing it right after conception”

Well, that’s just obviously not true. (Matthew, again)

You’ll notice, he doesn’t offer any actual arguments, just sweeping dismissals. This is a guy possessed of some intellect, who reads up on things, can spew some facts… but simply does not know how to engage in adult conversation.

Matthew, you actually have to back up your assertions. The Tea Party is NOT a SoCon movement. They are not even Republicans. Lots of Independents and even Democrats amongst them. It is more a Libertarian movement, than a Conservative one. Limited government and limited spending. They specifically do NOT have social issues on the table.

In the other, I do not see a difference after conception and implantation of the fertilized egg in the womb. By medical definition, life begins at conception. What kind of life is it? Sheep? No, it is human.

If a man and woman are trying to have a baby, and the test strip comes out positive, they are overjoyed. They do not call it a fetus. It is their baby from that moment. Are you going to try to tell them they are confused or ignorant, that it is really just a bundle of cells? If someone hurts the woman, and she loses the baby, will you tell the man that his outrage and anger are unjustified? Really? Prepare to get your butt kicked at that very moment.

It is a baby, not a choice. To maintain otherwise is to trivialize the human existence. It leads to callousness, and to monsters like Gosnell. Where do we draw the line? At conception. We draw the line tightly, so there is no slippery slope, no development of callousness towards humanity.

If you do not understand this, consider the assistant who played with the living baby, and a little bit later killed it.

“Gitchy-gitchy-goo! Well, gotta finish the abortion now, kid.”

What kind of disconnect is that? It is the callousness towards life, the trivializing of people. She killed him, then threw him out with the trash. After enjoying playing with him.

It is evil.

Now, Matthew, do you think you can put forward a cogent response without childish tactics?

“The Tea Party Movement is about fiscal prudence, states rights and small government. Get it into your skull.”

The tea party is apparently whatever you want it to be. Officially, organisers stress the small government aspect, but its most prominent leaders just happen (shock!) to be pro-life, usually evangelical (or willing to fake it), anti-immigration and pro gun. It’s possible that those prominent leaders aren’t recognised by the majority of tea-partiers. Time will tell. Whatever the tea party began as (which is probably as a republican astroturf movement), it certainly appears to us outsiders that it’s been/being hijacked to become an evangelical satellite of the republican party. The tea party isn’t supporting democratic nominees – it targets republican primary races.

And I always have to laugh when somebody says “states rights”. There are a few folks who still think the american civil war was about “states rights”. Of course, it was really one PARTICULAR state’s right that really mattered. These days it’s not slavery, it’s immigration, prayer in schools and abortion that comprise the important “states rights”. But not firearm regulation or gay marriage – those states’ rights somehow don’t count

I think this is a “wait and see” situation. Let’s see what the TP does.“is no logical difference in killing it right before birth and killing it right after conception”

I’m sorry, but I just think that statement is ridiculous. Whatever you think about the status of a blastocyst, it’s just plain bogus to claim that it’s equivalent in all respects to a conscious, breathing baby who is all grown and ready to join the world. One of those equivalences is wrong – you pick. If you were to devise legal punishments, would you REALLY impose the same punishment for a 2 week abortion as you would for a partial-birth abortion at 35 weeks?

Have a google about the rate of natural abortions. Look up how often nature aborts a fetus right after conception, and even much longer after that. It’s either a fact of life or a tragedy – it all depends on whether the mother even knows that it’s happened (usually not) or whether the child was wanted. But given the human body’s own propensity to shed fertilised eggs, I just can’t get worked up about human intervention in the early stages of pregnancy. It happens anyway. I would personally MUCH rather see those happen than the stuff Gosnell was doing (you seem to be still figuring that out).

“In the other, I do not see a difference after conception and implantation of the fertilized egg in the womb. By medical definition, life begins at conception. What kind of life is it? Sheep? No, it is human”

Sure. We can agree about that.

If a man and woman are trying to have a baby, and the test strip comes out positive, they are overjoyed … If someone hurts the woman, and she loses the baby, will you tell the man that his outrage and anger are unjustified? Really? Prepare to get your butt kicked at that very moment.

Obviously. Because in THAT case, the child is wanted. That’s the difference. But what if they don’t want a child, but have an “accident” and decide to take a morning-after pill – are you really going to call them callous murderers? Lock them up with Gosnell? See – I can come up with ridiculous scenarios too.

“It is a baby, not a choice. … We draw the line tightly, so there is no slippery slope, no development of callousness towards humanity.”

No, it’s not a baby. It’s a potential baby, assuming all goes well – which it doesn’t, over 30% of the time.

“If you do not understand this, consider the assistant who played with the living baby, and a little bit later killed it.”

Hey – on THAT we can agree. I don’t think there’s any normal human being who doesn’t see late-term abortions as horrific. Nobody is “pro abortion”, just like nobody (sane) is “pro war”. Wars still happen, though. So do abortions.

“What kind of disconnect is that? It is the callousness towards life, the trivializing of people. She killed him, then threw him out with the trash. After enjoying playing with him.

I have no idea. I’m amazed the guy managed to keep any staff (there’s a story in that, I’m sure). I’m glad I’m not one of the investigators having to trawl through this case, because I think I’d go mad.

It is evil

Yes.

Now, Matthew, do you think you can put forward a cogent response without childish tactics?

Oh, tactics. Are you talking about that magical “alinsky” stuff I’m told I do? Just call me svengali.

Gosnell needs to go to prison forever, then somebody needs to have a long hard think about why this happened. Obviously there’s the question of why this guy was allowed to operate at all, let alone for so long. But if the thinking ends there (and it probably will) then they’ll have failed.

Consider what it would take to make a mother decide to have a late-term abortion. Seriously think about it. Nobody would make that decision lightly, or put themselves through a pretty horrific surgical procedure just for a lark. That’s a massive decision, and I very much doubt that it’s ever taken except of desperation. If I was a swingin’ lass who just didn’t want the lifestyle cramp, I’d be getting it over with early – why go through the bloating, the hormones, the hot flushes? Get some RU486 and sort it out toot sweet. Somebody who waits 7 or 8 months probably wanted the child to begin with. So what changed her mind? Can you think of anything? Just a whim, maybe? My money is on “something pretty freaking desperate”.

You can make abortion illegal, but you can’t actually prevent it from happening. You CAN make it a lot more dangerous, though – and that’s why I’ll forever dig my heels in when people talk about a ban. We know where that leads – bleach burns, hemorrhaging, emergency rooms, toxic shock, infertility, death. But I would like to see some imagination applied to reducing the level of horror. Something with better track record than “just say no”. We already know that doesn’t work.

There is also a very significant down-side to forcing women to give birth to kids they can’t financially support, or possibly don’t even want. I personally think a more sensible approach might be to make it easier to get very early abortions, legitimately harder to get late term abortions, start building a less punitive economic system and make it perhaps just possible for women to survive if their partner/husband skips out when they’re 8 months pregnant and they find themselves unemployed because they’re having a kid and it’s inconvenient to their employer to have to let out the uniform. A sensible level of public welfare is actually cheaper in the long run, and I honestly think it will get your late-term abortion rate down.

In any case, I don’t think the US abortion rate is all that high. It’s slightly higher than australia’s, but I suspect it’s a fair bit easier to get one here with nowhere near the same level of stigma – we’ve also never gone through any particular effort to reduce the numbers. Socialist europe’s doing better than both of us.

Thank you for responding. Other than the one bit of snark, it was properly put forth. I may disagree with many items, but I respect that you addressed the issues with actual arguments.

I will take time to address only one thing. Why did they wait? Was it lack of money? No. One of those most egregious specifically stated that she just “never got around to it”. Despite legal hard deadlines. It is a casualness towards that life, because “It’s not a baby.”

Perhaps a closer deadline is in order, in order to impart a sense of urgency. Perhaps that will reduce the callousness and force them to confront that question of life.

I will listen to your positions, Matthew, if you continue to post like this. I will not, if you do not.

#18 MYTHBUSTER: I was NOT joking. ANYTHING that legally reduces the number of liberals infesting the world is worth supporting.Progressives and inner city welfare dependent canaille are aborting themselves, thus permitting conservative Americans in red states to out breed them.Libtardism is aborting itself on its own petard, and sentimentalist conservatives spend effort and coin,trying to stop the petard from exploding. What stupidity! Let’s support Abortion(for them).

MARC MALONE:Very moral,very self righteous, very silly,and historically incorrect. If we hadn’t outdone the nazis and japanese in barbaric slaughter,we’d be Nazis, and China would now be a hellish Japanese colony.Did Hiroshima,and the Tokyo fire bombings make us Nazis? I don’t think so. A liberal’s life worth saving ? Are you joking? They are nothing but closet stalinist scum working for the day when they can kill off non-liberals in Gulags.Until then, they work tirelessly to destroy our livelihoods, through taxes,kill us (by releasing as many criminals from jails as they can,and supporting terrorists),and destroying our freedoms of speech, association, and property.Our politics should be aimed at their ultimate extinction,by any legal means necesary;abortion being an excellent preemptive strike at their demographics,it should be supported and encouraged by all patriots.As far as killing on the basis of probability,think of it as unavoidable collateral damage incurred during what is the prelude to civil war.

Yes.. even a liberal has the right to live. *chuckles* It hardly helps the debate to attempt to apply such a… final penalty for disagreement.

Ultimately, what this boils down to is the right to choose. To choose how one will live, what they will believe. The law states, that after birth, it can be considered as nothing but murder.

While I may disagree with many things with the liberals, the point of debate of ‘stalinist scum’ is hyperbole. The saddest thing on both sides is paving the road to Hell with good intentions.

I equally disagree with many ‘conservative’ positions, for instance, the posited idea of being able to determine what one *must* or *must not* believe insofar as religion or social frameworks.

That right to choose is the ultimate right.. right along with the right to pay for transgressions against the rights of others, up to and including with one’s life’s years, or one’s own death.

Like it, or hate it, we have in this country a unique opportunity to disagree with each other, and attempt to convince each other with logic, not force… with reason, not laws. I feel it would be far more conducive to the debate should we, rather than slinging hyperbole and vitriol, attempt to deal with the issues rather than the personalities involved.

Facts rather than attacks, reason rather than bluster, and calmness rather than fury. It is falsehood, and falsehood alone that must resort to force to maintain itself in the public mind.

The tea party is occurring more than anything because people are tired of being served up manure… and even more tired of being told why this flavor of manure is better than that flavor of manure, and why we should be excited that we *have* to eat it.