Can I interest any of you fine Navajo women in a night of "Tribal Preservation"?

aye!

Osiyo,

I don't believe there should be any blood quantam as long as you can connect with an ancestors who were of Native Blood... "IT'S WHATS IN YOUR HEART THAT MATTERS"

I have some close friends that supposedly are white but they believe in Native Ways.
They have a RedHeart.
BlackElk said there would come a day when all people even thoughs with just 1 drop of blood they would be awakened, and I believe this as Strong as our Nations are growing.
Why are we the only people who have to prove what we are?? There is a saying "I CAN PROVE I'M NATIVE AMERICAN BUT CAN'T PROVE I'M WHITE" My definition of white I claim as Mutt, because I'm Native American Cherokee PROUD.........
Wado,
Linda

Caddo Nation
Confederated Tribes of the Grand Ronde Community of Oregon
Fort Independence Indian Community of Paiute Indians of the Fort Independence Reservation, of California
Fort Sill Apache Tribe
Iowa Tribe of Oklahoma
Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians, of North Carolina
Confederated Tribes of Siletz Indians

Caddo Nation
Confederated Tribes of the Grand Ronde Community of Oregon
Fort Independence Indian Community of Paiute Indians of the Fort Independence Reservation, of California
Fort Sill Apache Tribe
Iowa Tribe of Oklahoma
Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians, of North Carolina
Confederated Tribes of Siletz Indians

I was reading this old post & I just wanted to add my tribe, the Menominee Nation, above to your listing under the section of minimum blood quantum of 1/4.

Kinda feeling left out & didn't want us to be, aye! LOL! Hey with over 500 federally recognized tribes, I know the list was meant to be exhaustive.

It's interesting to see what different tribes are doing/how they handle enrollment. Couple years back, we had a group of Menominees who backed a referendum wanting to lower our blood quantum to 1/8. It became a big issue & got contentious in the run up before the election. It ended up failing. Then these same folks tried again & lost again. Since then it's quieted down.

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"I on the trail of a possible good Indian lady and she is reported to like the old way's and she to believes in big family and being at home with kids all the time"... - MOTOOPI aka WOUNDED BEAR

Interesting! Although, there is quite a bit of difference between the "Tribes requiring 1/4" such as the Navajo tribe, which last I knew had to be AT LEAST 1/4 NAVAJO and they only count the Navajo blood, and the Eastern Shoshone (Wind River), requiring 1/4 of any ferderally recognized native tribal blood, but one parent has be an enrolled member here.

And many tribes have other requirements, such as the Shoshone-Bannock tribe which has a residency requirement, along with blood quantum.

The Northern Arapaho tribe here recently (20 years ago or so) changed their requirement from 1/4 from the father only to 1/4 from any tribe, with the father or mother being enrolled here.

I don't see it on the list, but one of the southwestern tribes has a 1/4 requirement, but 1/8 has to be that specific tribe.

Then there's the tribe where a lot of my cousins got enrolled that has a residency requirement, but blood from any tribe. Hmmm....

I'd never heard of residency requirements before. I assume that means residency on the reservation? What happens if an enrolled tribal member moves "off-rez?" Do they lose their membership after a time? Just curious.

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Originally Posted by wyo_rose

Interesting! Although, there is quite a bit of difference between the "Tribes requiring 1/4" such as the Navajo tribe, which last I knew had to be AT LEAST 1/4 NAVAJO and they only count the Navajo blood, and the Eastern Shoshone (Wind River), requiring 1/4 of any ferderally recognized native tribal blood, but one parent has be an enrolled member here.

And many tribes have other requirements, such as the Shoshone-Bannock tribe which has a residency requirement, along with blood quantum.

The Northern Arapaho tribe here recently (20 years ago or so) changed their requirement from 1/4 from the father only to 1/4 from any tribe, with the father or mother being enrolled here.

I don't see it on the list, but one of the southwestern tribes has a 1/4 requirement, but 1/8 has to be that specific tribe.

Then there's the tribe where a lot of my cousins got enrolled that has a residency requirement, but blood from any tribe. Hmmm....

Caddo Nation
Confederated Tribes of the Grand Ronde Community of Oregon
Fort Independence Indian Community of Paiute Indians of the Fort Independence Reservation, of California
Fort Sill Apache Tribe
Iowa Tribe of Oklahoma
Eastern Band of Cherokee Indians, of North Carolina
Confederated Tribes of Siletz Indians

I remember at a July 2015 powwow in WA state the MC said he was enrolled Lakota and also Colville Tribe / Arrow Lakes Band? How can you be enrolled in two tribes? Is that even legal?

If what this MC said is true, then Iím thinking that either:
1. Each tribe doesnít know that this person is enrolled at the same time in the other tribe;
Or
2. Both these tribes would have to allow (have a rule) that itís okay for tribal members to have dual enrollment at the same time.

Or maybe he was joking???

Since the 1980ís, weíve had a bunch of Menominees who have been dis-enrolling themselves from our tribe so they can join the Potawatomie (mostly) because of Per CapÖ.even 1 of our past Tribal Chairman has done this.

So now we have a rule that once you leave, you canít come back & re-enroll in our tribe. They also jacked up the $$fee/cost to dis-enroll. LOL! It costs a lot more money to quit our tribe than to join.

I was reading this old post & I just wanted to add my tribe, the Menominee Nation, above to your listing under the section of minimum blood quantum of 1/4.

Kinda feeling left out & didn't want us to be, aye! LOL! Hey with over 500 federally recognized tribes, I know the list was meant to be exhaustive.

It's interesting to see what different tribes are doing/how they handle enrollment. Couple years back, we had a group of Menominees who backed a referendum wanting to lower our blood quantum to 1/8. It became a big issue & got contentious in the run up before the election. It ended up failing. Then these same folks tried again & lost again. Since then it's quieted down.

I put this list together a while back from another website and I think it has not been updated in a while.
I use it for several arguments I am usually in and the first is of course the old: Cherokees let 1/2000 be a member, which is not really a valid argument since they are one of 19 tribes that don't have a minimum blood Quantum at all! As if that makes Cherokees Less NDN I guess LOL but no that just means they wont have to move the bar lower!! All tribes are struggling with this issue and it has been around for a long time. I know of several tribes that handle it by just making everybody a Fullblood born before a certain date and be done with it. Here in Oklahoma it has become a real problem especially with the intermarrying of the 36 different tribes and while I have not met someone with that many bloodlines I have met a few kids that are 5 or 6 different tribes and have a real problem enrolling in one with the Blood Quantum they have.

I enroll with two different tribes and it is a loophole that was exposed a while back. The thing is both use the same land but have different criteria for citizenship.
One actually closed there rolls in 1907, we are just descendants of those original enrollees. The other put together a Roll in 1947 and use that as there Base roll AND OR the original 1907 ROLL LOL
One allows Absentee Voting
The other only allows in person voting
Neither will provide most services outside the Tribal jurisdiction except Health Services...
Ah yes we live in a complex world

Couple years back, we had a group of Menominees who backed a referendum wanting to lower our blood quantum to 1/8. It became a big issue & got contentious in the run up before the election. It ended up failing. Then these same folks tried again & lost again. Since then it's quieted down.

I should have probably explained what happened in my other post:

The original problem that brought up the issue about lowering blood quantum was because certain non-enrolled individuals were caught illegally gathering/harvesting on our reservation land for personal profit.

The issue wasnít about our tribe dying out or theoretical questions about using blood quantum as the criteria for membership.

This was predicated on self-interest & greedÖ. apparently wild Wisconsin ginseng is especially rare & extremely prized. There is and has been an insatiable demand from the billions of Chinese/Asian consumers. Because of the past over-harvesting throughout the US for hundreds of years, wild ginseng is an endangered species.

The wording of our ancillary roll which gave benefits to people who married into the tribe & to offspring who didnít meet minimum blood was challenged. Enrolled relatives (of the ďthievesĒ) led the effort to reduce blood quantum so that the above individuals (their family relatives) would be eligible to become tribal members so they could continue their exploitative harvesting business legally and basically unrestrained on tribal land.

This is what started the whole issue.

Regardless of the amount of NDN blood a person has, it is the choices/actions that a person makes that matter and for those to be in keeping with traditional tribal ways and values. That is how I was raised/taught. In my own family, I have a sibling (same parents, same amount of blood) who isnít NDN Iím sad to sayÖnot in thinking, not in choices, not in way of life. One of my auntie's sayings is, "You are either NDN or you're not." Iíve heard other NDNs say this too. I think there's a lot of truth to that. Itís binary.

Historically & traditionally, we, the Menominee, are Keepers of the Forest. This is our responsibility in life. My mother was active & one of a group of tribal members who were the leaders in DRUMS who fought for Restoration to save our tribe, our ancestral homeland and our way of life. This was how I grew up.

So now, after 10,000+ yrs of continuously living in Wisconsin, the place of our origin as a people, our tribe has to write a law about limits of personal harvesting for tribal members instead of people being guided & living by traditional principles that we only take what we need and that we donít harm life in the woods & donít ruin things for the future. If people learned & lived according to our traditional ways, the tribal legislature wouldnít have to write a law.

The original problem that brought up the issue about lowering blood quantum was because certain non-enrolled individuals were caught illegally gathering/harvesting on our reservation land for personal profit.

The issue wasnít about our tribe dying out or theoretical questions about using blood quantum as the criteria for membership.

This was predicated on self-interest & greedÖ. apparently wild Wisconsin ginseng is especially rare & extremely prized. There is and has been an insatiable demand from the billions of Chinese/Asian consumers. Because of the past over-harvesting throughout the US for hundreds of years, wild ginseng is an endangered species.

The wording of our ancillary roll which gave benefits to people who married into the tribe & to offspring who didnít meet minimum blood was challenged. Enrolled relatives (of the ďthievesĒ) led the effort to reduce blood quantum so that the above individuals (their family relatives) would be eligible to become tribal members so they could continue their exploitative harvesting business legally and basically unrestrained on tribal land.

This is what started the whole issue.

Regardless of the amount of NDN blood a person has, it is the choices/actions that a person makes that matter and for those to be in keeping with traditional tribal ways and values. That is how I was raised/taught. In my own family, I have a sibling (same parents, same amount of blood) who isnít NDN Iím sad to sayÖnot in thinking, not in choices, not in way of life. One of my auntie's sayings is, "You are either NDN or you're not." Iíve heard other NDNs say this too. I think there's a lot of truth to that. Itís binary.

Historically & traditionally, we, the Menominee, are Keepers of the Forest. This is our responsibility in life. My mother was active & one of a group of tribal members who were the leaders in DRUMS who fought for Restoration to save our tribe, our ancestral homeland and our way of life. This was how I grew up.

So now, after 10,000+ yrs of continuously living in Wisconsin, the place of our origin as a people, our tribe has to write a law about limits of personal harvesting for tribal members instead of people being guided & living by traditional principles that we only take what we need and that we donít harm life in the woods & donít ruin things for the future. If people learned & lived according to our traditional ways, the tribal legislature wouldnít have to write a law.

We have seen the recent surge in requests for enrollment in a lot of tribes here in Oklahoma most especially with the Cherokees I have been told that upwards of 2000 applications a month is the norm and they are about 4 years behind in backlog. Most are trying to get there Ndn card as they call it for health care or to get housing loans not because they want to connect to long lost relatives lol