Stronger hurricanes != worse storms. What made Sandy unprecedented was not that it was a hurricane of unprecedented strength (in fact, by the time it hit NY, it wasn't a hurricane, or even a tropical storm - that's why people are calling it 'superstorm Sandy'). What made it unprecedented was the storm surge and the resulting flood damage.

Also, comparing damage and casualties from this storm to damage and casualties from storms in the 1930s and 1950s is meaningless. We have better storm tracking and communications (allowing more people to be warned and have the opportunity to evacuate), and improved building codes (regulations, oh noes!).

If you want to do something, don't allow people to build as densely and as expensively close to a hurricane or strong storm zone. But if you do, realize that you're going to go though periods of expensive cleanup and death. Ask yourself the question, "does the reward outweigh the risk?"

6 of the top 10 most expensive storms were before 1950. Well before global cooling (as we called it in the 1970's) or global warming (what we called it in the 1990's) or as we call it now climate change (which, well, duh- has been happening since the earth cooled and formed an atmosphere).

The point I'm making is, stop, take a deep breath, and do some analysis before abdicating your rights to government control. What can we do to control the climate (which is not weather- a common misconception) to prevent this in the future? Is there anything we can do? Perhaps it would be easier to control weather before we tried to control the climate.

If you want to do something, don't allow people to build as densely and as expensively close to a hurricane or strong storm zone. But if you do, realize that you're going to go though periods of expensive cleanup and death. Ask yourself the question, "does the reward outweigh the risk?"

6 of the top 10 most expensive storms were before 1950. Well before global cooling (as we called it in the 1970's) or global warming (what we called it in the 1990's) or as we call it now climate change (which, well, duh- has been happening since the earth cooled and formed an atmosphere).

The point I'm making is, stop, take a deep breath, and do some analysis before abdicating your rights to government control. What can we do to control the climate (which is not weather- a common misconception) to prevent this in the future? Is there anything we can do? Perhaps it would be easier to control weather before we tried to control the climate.

1. More expensive storms in the past, adjusted for inflation, does not account for weaker structures. Older homes were much less able to withstand severe weather events.2. NYC's flood defenses are better today than they have been in the past and they saw worse floods than any time in recorded history. The Battery Tunnel has no flood barriers partly because it had never needed them before.3. Anyone who references Global Cooling, which was a fringe scare story even then disproved and only had 10% of the climate community in support, is not intending to be honest. Your "analysis" is worth nothing.

If you want to do something, don't allow people to build as densely and as expensively close to a hurricane or strong storm zone. But if you do, realize that you're going to go though periods of expensive cleanup and death. Ask yourself the question, "does the reward outweigh the risk?"

6 of the top 10 most expensive storms were before 1950. Well before global cooling (as we called it in the 1970's) or global warming (what we called it in the 1990's) or as we call it now climate change (which, well, duh- has been happening since the earth cooled and formed an atmosphere).

The point I'm making is, stop, take a deep breath, and do some analysis before abdicating your rights to government control. What can we do to control the climate (which is not weather- a common misconception) to prevent this in the future? Is there anything we can do? Perhaps it would be easier to control weather before we tried to control the climate.

1. More expensive storms in the past, adjusted for inflation, does not account for weaker structures. Older homes were much less able to withstand severe weather events.2. NYC's flood defenses are better today than they have been in the past and they saw worse floods than any time in recorded history. The Battery Tunnel has no flood barriers partly because it had never needed them before.3. Anyone who references Global Cooling, which was a fringe scare story even then disproved and only had 10% of the climate community in support, is not intending to be honest. Your "analysis" is worth nothing.

Prove number 1. Do you know the structures were weaker? Where is your support for such a hypothesis? Have you ever looked at older construction? It's far stronger than you think. Given the chose of a house from before 1900 and one from 1970 to ride out the storm, I'll pick the older house every damn time.

That goes to prove the point. One storm, in recorded history, and you're ready to wet your pants like a little girl. You are ready to give control of every facet of your existence to the government because you can't handle a little water.

Fringe scare story picked up by Time magazine in the 1970s. Yeah. Ok. Sure. Believe what you want- which is apparently that government can control your life better than you can.

El_Perro:Stronger hurricanes != worse storms. What made Sandy unprecedented was not that it was a hurricane of unprecedented strength (in fact, by the time it hit NY, it wasn't a hurricane, or even a tropical storm - that's why people are calling it 'superstorm Sandy'). What made it unprecedented was the storm surge and the resulting flood damage.

Also, comparing damage and casualties from this storm to damage and casualties from storms in the 1930s and 1950s is meaningless. We have better storm tracking and communications (allowing more people to be warned and have the opportunity to evacuate), and improved building codes (regulations, oh noes!).

But why was the surge so huge? Because Sandy was unusually LARGE. There was something unique to it. It was a relatively low-intensity hurricane, but intensity isn't everything.

dead:That goes to prove the point. One storm, in recorded history, and you're ready to wet your pants like a little girl. You are ready to give control of every facet of your existence to the government because you can't handle a little water.

GAT_00:3. Anyone who references Global Cooling, which was a fringe scare story even then disproved and only had 10% of the climate community in support, is not intending to be honest. Your "analysis" is worth nothing.

To be fair he did say "global cooling (as we called it in the 1970's)"

I don't know. It depends on which varieties he's got down in the bunker. I'm not wasting any ammo for country captain chicken but some chicken breast with cavatelli or some hash might peak my interest.

I don't know. It depends on which varieties he's got down in the bunker. I'm not wasting any ammo for country captain chicken but some chicken breast with cavatelli or some hash might peak peeve my interest.

Lochsteppe:deschinc: Jake Havechek: abdicating your rights to government control

Easy there, nobody is coming to steal your MREs and canned water.

I don't know. It depends on which varieties he's got down in the bunker. I'm not wasting any ammo for country captain chicken but some chicken breast with cavatelli or some hash might peak peeve my interest.

FTFY

/Pet pique

I was just, JUST reviewing a writeup for a non-profit that had "peeked our interest" in it. From a "professional" writer...

dead:That goes to prove the point. One storm, in recorded history, and you're ready to wet your pants like a little girl. You are ready to give control of every facet of your existence to the government because you can't handle a little water.

You're convinced that the government is using climate change as a tool to take control of our lives and we're the scared ones? Projection, you has it.

dead:6 of the top 10 most expensive storms were before 1950. Well before global cooling (as we called it in the 1970's) or global warming (what we called it in the 1990's) or as we call it now climate change (which, well, duh- has been happening since the earth cooled and formed an atmosphere).

This paragraph, alone, is evidence enough to discount anything you say in the future on anything. Ever.

<b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7428485/80618495#c80618495" target="_blank">dead</a>:</b> <i>Prove number 1. Do you know the structures were weaker? Where is your support for such a hypothesis? Have you ever looked at older construction? It's far stronger than you think. Given the chose of a house from before 1900 and one from 1970 to ride out the storm, I'll pick the older house every damn time.</i>

Sometimes.

There have been a LOT of advances in building design over the last few decades, particularly in regards to residential construction designed to resist wind loads.

The only house in a subdivision designed to resist cat 5 hurricane wind loads:

dead:Prove number 1. Do you know the structures were weaker? Where is your support for such a hypothesis? Have you ever looked at older construction? It's far stronger than you think. Given the chose of a house from before 1900 and one from 1970 to ride out the storm, I'll pick the older house every damn time.

Sometimes.

There have been a LOT of advances in building design over the last few decades, particularly in regards to residential construction designed to resist wind loads.

The only house in a subdivision designed to resist cat 5 hurricane wind loads:

Two outwardly identical houses in a full scale wind test. The house that survived used a couple hundred dollars of hardware installed during construction and some minor detailing changed.

Lochsteppe:deschinc: Jake Havechek: abdicating your rights to government control

Easy there, nobody is coming to steal your MREs and canned water.

I don't know. It depends on which varieties he's got down in the bunker. I'm not wasting any ammo for country captain chicken but some chicken breast with cavatelli or some hash might peak peeve my interest.

FTFY

/Pet pique

I don't have any use for them damn sissy French words. This is 'Murika and I'll peak if I damn well please.

dead:Have you ever looked at older construction? It's far stronger than you think

For good buildings, which is like saying that just because we can build a house that can withstand a Cat-3 today means all buildings can. But the easiest proof of this is earthquake-proofing. Old structures can't handle earthquakes.

dead: That goes to prove the point. One storm, in recorded history, and you're ready to wet your pants like a little girl. You are ready to give control of every facet of your existence to the government because you can't handle a little water.