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Charles has the talent to be at or near the top, but, based on sample size, I'd put him at #10 on your list.

thurman merman

07-25-2010, 05:03 PM

What Charles did in the second half of last season was exciting and gives one hope that we have a stud.

I was pretty happy with the pick when it was made and felt that he had the potential to be an outstanding RB in the NFL.

That being said, it was only a half season and until he shows that he can be that kind of player over time, that ranking isn't really out of line.

Good points, but what he did with that an average (at best) offensive line was truly remarkable. He is clearly better than Knowshon Moreno, Ryan Grant, Cedric Benson, and Ricky Williams, at the very least.

Stop, Chiefs

07-25-2010, 05:06 PM

Cedric Benson has had like, one good year since being utter shit in Chicago?

The degree of separation on that list between 1 and 10 isn't all that demonstrable.

It's one of the many reasons why RBs are overvalued.

Billay

07-25-2010, 05:21 PM

Ray Rice at 8? He's a damn good back then again I guess theres alot of good ones.

thurman merman

07-25-2010, 05:21 PM

Here's the key, though:

The degree of separation on that list between 1 and 10 isn't all that demonstrable.

It's one of the many reasons why RBs are overvalued.

True.

The only thing that is clear is that Knowshon Moreno sucks.

milkman

07-25-2010, 05:22 PM

You seriously think Cedric Benson is better than Jamaal Charles?

My ranking is based on the number of games played as well as productivity.

Benson has played more games, and had some productive games in his first two seasons.

I think Charles is better than just about every one on that list, but until he does it over time, I ranked him where I think his production and games played combined, should have him ranked.

KCrockaholic

07-25-2010, 05:23 PM

Lol. I only laugh at the people that don't know who Jamaal Charles is.

They will see this year.

thurman merman

07-25-2010, 05:24 PM

My ranking is based on the number of games played as well as productivity.

Benson has played more games, and had some productive games in his first two seasons.

I think Charles is better than just about every one on that list, but until he does it over time, I ranked him where I think his production and games played combined, should have him ranked.

Benson has 3.8 YPC over his "productive" career.

-King-

07-25-2010, 05:27 PM

I dont know why Ray Rice is so low on some peoples rankings. 2000 yards from scrimmage last year. Runs great and can turn chicken shit into chicken pot pie. I don't think he should be any lower than 5 on any ranking.

CupidStunt

07-25-2010, 05:27 PM

Benson and Ricky over Charles. :LOL:

milkman

07-25-2010, 05:29 PM

Benson has 3.8 YPC over his "productive" career.

Did you miss the part where I said "in his first two seasons"?

He averaged over 4 yards a carry.

Had a couple of down season, but bounced back last year.

And once again, I only rank Charles that low because he has to prove it over time.

I am in the Charles bandwagon.

I have been since he was drafted.

But I am not simply going to crown his ass because I think he can be one of the top 3 RBs in the NFL.

He has to prove it over time.

milkman

07-25-2010, 05:34 PM

Anyone remember Tony Reed?

thurman merman

07-25-2010, 05:37 PM

But I am not simply going to crown his ass because I think he can be one of the top 3 RBs in the NFL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDAq5tyfk9E

boogblaster

07-25-2010, 05:38 PM

Have to see what this full season brings .. but I think Charles should be in the top 10 if plays like last season ....

Mojo Jojo

07-25-2010, 05:47 PM

Anyone remember Tony Reed?

Tony Reed...that guy ran for 3,000 yards ever year. 2,000+ yards east/west and less than 1,000 north/south. Guy should have been a linebacker...great speed sideline to sideline.

LaChapelle

07-25-2010, 05:51 PM

KEEP FUCKING POUTING LT

milkman

07-25-2010, 05:51 PM

Tony Reed...that guy ran for 3,000 yards ever year. 2,000+ yards east/west and less than 1,000 north/south. Guy should have been a linebacker...great speed sideline to sideline.

I'm going to have to look up his stats, but he had a decent rookie season win which he ran for about 500 yards and averaged over 4 yards a carry in half a season, and had what looked to be a breakout second season when he ran for over a thousand yards and close to 5 yards a carry.

Then he just dropped off a cliff.

milkman

07-25-2010, 05:54 PM

Okay, here it is.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReedTo00.htm

This is why one needs to produce over time.

I thought that kid was going to be a star.

Short Leash Hootie

07-25-2010, 06:00 PM

Okay, here it is.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReedTo00.htm

This is why one needs to produce over time.

I thought that kid was going to be a star.

looking at those stats...I'm going to assume he got injured, correct?

milkman

07-25-2010, 06:13 PM

looking at those stats...I'm going to assume he got injured, correct?

Yeah, though I can't remember what exactly the injury was.

But that's part of the game, and why I say production over time has to be considered when rating players.

Short Leash Hootie

07-25-2010, 06:17 PM

Yeah, though I can't remember what exactly the injury was.

But that's part of the game, and why I say production over time has to be considered when rating players.

yeah but a serious injury back then was almost impossible to bounce back from...

little different these days

milkman

07-25-2010, 06:30 PM

yeah but a serious injury back then was almost impossible to bounce back from...

little different these days

I fully understand that.

However, he's a smallish RB that has suffered some minor injuries, and until he can get through a full season and produce at a high level, I simply am not ready to list him at the top.

He has the talent to be there.
I've believed that since the day he was drafted.

But I won't put him there until he actually proves it over the course of a season.

I don't know, but Knowshown Moreno is definitely last until he proves he's worth a shit. I don't think you can put Charles into the Top 5 until he plays a full season. Hell, if he plays like he did at the end of the year he could be #2.

KCrockaholic

07-25-2010, 07:11 PM

At this point give me Ronnie Brown or Chris Wells over (average-joe) Knowshit.

The guy's propensity for putting the football on the ground notwithstanding Id take him over Charles any day. All he has to do is go to Tiki Barber's school for holding onto the football and he will be the best back in the league.

How the heck did Ricky Williams make this list? Is there some sort of stat for most joints smoked between downs or something?

Billay

07-25-2010, 08:30 PM

Matthews will be a better RB then a 1/4 of that list too.

KCrockaholic

07-25-2010, 08:31 PM

I'll take Jamaal over AD if Jamaal can duplicate the season he had last year over a full season.

In terms of pure running, I think AD is the 2nd best RB in the league. In terms of value to a team, Ray Rice would have to be 2nd on that list.

Hog Farmer

07-25-2010, 08:48 PM

And Mr. Thomas Jones didn't make the list ????

milkman

07-25-2010, 08:50 PM

And some of you guys laugh at KnowMo

There's a difference between homerism and blind homerism.

These guys are homeristic on this, but they aren't nearly as blindly, stupidly homeristic as KnowShit.

KCrockaholic

07-25-2010, 08:54 PM

And Mr. Thomas Jones didn't make the list ????

Good point. I mean he was 2nd in the AFC in rushing yards and has been one of the best HB's over the last 3 years.

ESPN fudged up again.

But if Jones had gone to The Giants or stayed with Jets his name would be towards the top.

KCrockaholic

07-25-2010, 08:55 PM

There's a difference between homerism and blind homerism.

These guys are homeristic on this, but they aren't nearly as blindly, stupidly homeristic as KnowShit.

At least we don't compare Tebow to Peyton Manning and Knowshit to Emmitt Smith.

thurman merman

07-25-2010, 09:07 PM

Jamaal Charles over Adrian Peterson?

Homer goggles.

The guy's propensity for putting the football on the ground notwithstanding Id take him over Charles any day.

All right, you take your fumbles, I'll take my 6 yards per carry.

I don't know what's so crazy about thinking Charles is one of the best (if not the best) back in the NFL. He ran for nearly 6 yards per carry behind the same offensive line that Larry Johnson repeatedly ran up the ass of.

Charles is a phenomenal player. It has nothing to do with homer goggles. It's not like he's Greg Hill or something.

Billay

07-25-2010, 09:15 PM

Charles has yet to prove he can play a whole season.

Hog Farmer

07-25-2010, 09:18 PM

And it's just about time for KnowMo to sho.

thurman merman

07-25-2010, 09:21 PM

Charles has yet to prove he can play a whole season.

A) Repost
B) Who gives a shit? Chris Johnson has only played 2 seasons. Does that mean he cannot be considered a great player yet?

KCrockaholic

07-25-2010, 09:23 PM

Billay is just mad cause Jamaal Pwned his Cornhuskers in college.

TheGuardian

07-25-2010, 09:28 PM

Peterson is one hell of an overrated back. Injury prone, puts the ball on the ground like he's playing basketball. Yeah he's uber talented but he has some serious negatives in his game.

KCrockaholic

07-25-2010, 09:31 PM

Peterson is one hell of an overrated back. Injury prone, puts the ball on the ground like he's playing basketball. Yeah he's uber talented but he has some serious negatives in his game.

Yeah because a high character guy that has the most rushing yards in the NFL since his arrival is overrated?

Don't forget what he has done.

TheGuardian

07-25-2010, 09:38 PM

Yeah because a high character guy that has the most rushing yards in the NFL since his arrival is overrated?

Don't forget what he has done.

I said the guy was talented. But he also runs behind the best line in the NFL too. And with all that the guy puts the ball on the field a ton, and is made of glass. Yes he's overrated. That doesn't mean he isn't a great player but I don't think he's the best back in the NFL like a lot of people do.

Billay

07-25-2010, 09:41 PM

Billay is just mad cause Jamaal Pwned his Cornhuskers in college.

How are you still alive?

A guy who hasn't played a full season can't be considered the best RB in football. You all are fucking morons.

TheGuardian

07-25-2010, 09:46 PM

I agree with Billay. A guy without a full season can't be the best at his position.

However, Charles doesn't need to have 5 great seasons to prove he's the best either. With the running back position you generally can play or not. You don't need years to establish yourself like at WR or QB. Charles has all of the skills to be the best, he just needs to prove it this year. He doesn't need to prove it year after year after year. Other positions? Yeah. Running back? No. Backs can come in and dominate as rookies because it is an instinctive position, like linebacker on defense. So if Charles comes out and blows everyone away this year it's not out of line to talk about him as the best back in the league AT THE MOMENT.

These rankings don't mean shit. Since JC started, the only RB in the league that compared to him was Chris Johnson from TEN.

milkman

07-25-2010, 09:51 PM

I agree with Billay. A guy without a full season can't be the best at his position.

However, Charles doesn't need to have 5 great seasons to prove he's the best either. With the running back position you generally can play or not. You don't need years to establish yourself like at WR or QB. Charles has all of the skills to be the best, he just needs to prove it this year. He doesn't need to prove it year after year after year. Other positions? Yeah. Running back? No. Backs can come in and dominate as rookies because it is an instinctive position, like linebacker on defense. So if Charles comes out and blows everyone away this year it's not out of line to talk about him as the best back in the league AT THE MOMENT.

Uh....I've been making this argument from the beginning of the thread.

It's the reason, I believe, someone said that billay was reposting.

Billay

07-25-2010, 09:55 PM

Uh....I've been making this argument from the beginning of the thread.

It's the reason, I believe, someone said that billay was reposting.

Sorry man I should read all the pages.

KCrockaholic

07-25-2010, 10:07 PM

How are you still alive?

A guy who hasn't played a full season can't be considered the best RB in football. You all are ****ing morons.

I never said he was the best runningback in football. Pull your head out of your ass.

I made a joking statement, about Jamaal single handedly beating the Cornhuskers.

Tribal Warfare

07-25-2010, 10:23 PM

Who fucking cares dude, the only thing that matters is he keeps producing like he did during the second half of the season.

Consistent1

07-25-2010, 10:41 PM

I hope he doesn't have to look all that great this year. With TJ being a solid proven vet, that will take pressure off. Should both be able to rock if the offense can start finding ways to make the opposing D have genuine concerns about stopping it. A lot of this rating shit is fantasy football stuff. Where are the Colts and Saints RB's ranked there? Charles is a special player regardless.

King_Chief_Fan

07-26-2010, 07:17 AM

Jamaal Charles is ranked 14th out of 15 running backs. Only Knowshon Moreno is ranked lower. It is clear that a lot of people have not watched Charles play yet. Help him out!

I like Charles, and am sure no expert. But I would take Adrian Peterson anyday, ahead of Charles.

vailpass

07-26-2010, 09:21 AM

Some of you guys are so desperate it's funny.

OnTheWarpath58

07-26-2010, 11:16 AM

Christ, this looks like a WPI thread.

Dude's had 5 great games against run defenses ranked 26th or worse.

Let's make sure he can repeat that for a full season, against all opponents before we crown his ass.

I think the kid has all the potential in the world - have since he was drafted - but some of you are being ridiculous.

LaChapelle

07-26-2010, 11:24 AM

Baited for Rainbows
and caught gars

Wallcrawler

07-26-2010, 12:09 PM

All right, you take your fumbles, I'll take my 6 yards per carry.

K. Ill also take the 18 TDs and the fear he puts into a defense.

I don't know what's so crazy about thinking Charles is one of the best (if not the best) back in the NFL. He ran for nearly 6 yards per carry behind the same offensive line that Larry Johnson repeatedly ran up the ass of.

So simply having better vision, and work ethic than Larry Johnson makes you contender for best back in the league? Heh. When did that happen?

LJ got paid, and he quit. My little sister could get more than the paltry 2.4 ypc that Johnson mustered up.

Charles is a phenomenal player. It has nothing to do with homer goggles. It's not like he's Greg Hill or something.

He shows some promise. He was an exciting player on an otherwise abysmal team. I like the guy too, but best back in the league?

Look at who he faced. He exploded in 3 of those last 4 games for sure.

The defenses he faced though? Garbage.

143 yards against the 30th ranked Buffalo Bills.

154 yards against the 28th ranked Cleveland Browns

102 yards against the 7th ranked Cincinnati Bengals -respectable.

259 yards against the 26th ranked Denver Broncos, a team that he only mustered 56 yards against at Arrowhead.

His only other 100 yard performance came against the 29th ranked Chokeland Raiders.

Against top defenses, he got 58 yards against the 3rd ranked Steelers and the aforementioned 102 against the 7th ranked Bengals.

Sorry, but his ypc is skewed by the big games he had against garbage teams. Against decent rush defenses, Charles is an average back.

Things like Phenomenal, and best back in the league have to be backed up with dominating performances against good teams, as well as the trash teams.

Havent seen it yet.

Hopefully with a shored up O-line and some new toys on offense, the passing game can help Charles perform better against those stout defenses. But to call him the #2 back at this point is teh homerism.