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The Navigation App Waze Shows How Easily We’ll Submit To Technology

When I recently came back to the United States for a longer stay, multiple friends advised me to use a navigation app called Waze. They said the app was better than Google Maps because it finds shorter routes thanks to superior real-time capabilities. Reluctantly, I began using the app, and very quickly saw how it blew away my own knowledge of the Washington DC area. Fast forward two months and I can hardly imagine driving without it. The speed at which I’ve started following commands from a computer algorithm shows how easily we will give up our own self-determination in the face of advancing technology.

I’ve lived in the DC area long enough that I’m very familiar with how to get around. In spite of that, I found myself using Waze even for short trips that I obviously knew how to drive to. The reason? It’s possible that a traffic jam or accident means that I could shave off two whole minutes of travel time. Instead of using my own knowledge to determine an acceptable route to a known location, I have willingly relinquished control to an app. While I enjoy the time savings that Waze offers me, I fear how I will incrementally and voluntarily give up more of my free will to computers that can process information much more efficiently than I can. Bit by bit, I will have my behavior constrained by the digital cloud, entrapping myself in a prison of my own doing.

It’s not hard to see how we’ll give up our free will in other areas as well:

Would you take a genetic test that determines the exact diet you should eat every day so that you can live to be 100 years old?

Would you allow a computer to predict with 90% accuracy the career you should embark on that will maximize your lifelong income and happiness?

Will you give up your love life to an algorithm that guarantees a perfect match with a woman who will love you until you die and give you at least two healthy and beautiful children?

Will you allow for daily saliva tests that tell you exactly how many cups of tea or coffee you should take to maximize your energy level?

Will you allow an e-reader or tablet to measure your heart rate and monitor your facial responses to evaluate your enjoyment of a book in order to recommend other books you’re guaranteed to like?

Would you wear a biometric monitor that tells you exactly how many minutes of sleep you need at night to be completely refreshed the next day?

Will you let a computer determine a safe supplement regime that allows you to effortlessly deadlift 500 pounds?

Would you allow a medical program with terabytes of analysis behind it to determine your treatment plan if doctors find a problem like a tumor in your body?

Even the most educated and intelligent man can not compete with an algorithm containing reams of historical data and real-time inputs that greatly increase its ability to make an accurate decision. I know the DC area pretty well, but I don’t know it as well as an app that is simultaneously monitoring 70,000 other “Wazers” nearby, with a granular understanding of every single public road in the city. I accept my inferiority and submit myself to the Waze app, saving time on every trip, even though I feel uneasy doing so.

The scenarios I mentioned above are not far off. You will voluntarily give up your ability to make one decision after another to a computer that objectively knows better than you and provides a greater benefit than you can give yourself. The benevolent computer won’t demand anything of you except a marginal fee or a trivial amount of time looking at advertisements, but by submitting to it, you will slowly give your humanity in the name of efficiency, time, and living a long life—a life increasingly controlled by computers that you now need to perform trivial actions of how to drive, how to sleep, and what to eat, until they become involved in far greater matters of importance such as which medicines to take and what job to work in for the entirely of your adult life. You will need computers to get through the day, and soon, to merely survive.

Every time I load up Waze to direct me to a destination I already know how to get to, I can’t help but feel guilty, but then I see the strange route it wants to take me through that saves four minutes of time compared to the route I would have taken, and I happily submit to its directive. During the drive I glance frequently at my phone’s screen to make sure I’m following Waze’s instructions faithfully, becoming an obedient subject to this intelligent computer, and I wonder what other computer I will give up more of my free will to just to save a bit of time, just to make life a little more comfortable. Maybe I’ll have the courage to say no and refuse the computer’s benefit in a way that I can’t say no to Waze.

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An apt observation. Reminds me of stories where people have driven themselves into buildings, lakes, etc by blindly following GPS instructions.

In addition to the thought of how much we may be giving up our self-determination to machines is the matter of privacy. I know most people don’t care about it much these days – maybe I’m one of the few weirdos who still does.

That Waze is a convenient app is why Google bought it a couple of years ago for ~$1.3 billion. After 2 years, I’m not sure that Waze is much “better than Google maps” anymore.

Google’s interest is (and has always been) looking at and gathering as much as it can about us, typically with our own voluntary submission. Waze has simply become another tool for that IMO, so I gave up the app myself.

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Yeah tltr

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Your deleting to slow. Cant spam twice. What a rapugeee got a mediacrisis and dont have moderators. If you visit the dailystormer.com youl find it out

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This article reminds me that I feel there should be a space for active Luddism (i.e. opposing certain modern technologies) within the Neomasculine ideology.

Resisting new technologies that offer convenience is rarely done, and even harder is to purposefully give up on an already acquired luxury or convenience technology.

Despite this, I have recently put away my home PC and am strongly considering to voluntarily downgrade from my smartphone to a ‘dumbphone’, in order to allow my crippled attention span to recover.

I hope to see more sensible Luddite ideas being discussed within the Neomasculine ideology.

it’s an interesting idea, and something i think about sometimes too. however, the thought of (for example) actually writing checks for each bill and putting them in a an envelope, then putting an actual physical stamp on those envelopes, mailing them, and hoping they get there keeps me on the computer.

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It’s not that hard, as long as you have another space (like your office, library or in my case University) where you have access to a PC. I’m not recommending total abstinence, just temperance.

Since this week without a PC I have spent 200% more time undertaking social activities and hanging out with my roommates. The simple absence of my main source of ‘time killing’ has forced me to look for alternatives, which I feel are actually much more fulfilling, such as playing a game of chess or a slow boardgame or just watching some stupid television with people, rather than solitarily watching 2 hours of some downloaded television, another 2 hours solitarily watching some movie on popcorn time and then ordering in takeaway food so I can avoid human contact a little longer.

My next ‘experiment’ to further recover my crippled attention span is to take my SIM card out of my smartphone and put it into one of those simple shell phones with a 2-week battery life. I will still have access to whatsapp and tinder at home with wifi – but during the day while I’m out, I will be completely free from smartphone distraction. I want to pilot this approach for a while and see how it improves my life, down the road I might even do away with my smartphone altogether once my subscription is finished.

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I pretty much reference this whenever roosh talks about technology but check out an interview with the former editor of wired and the guy who coined 1000 true fans theory, Kevin Kelly on his talk with Tim Ferriss. http://fourhourworkweek.com/2014/08/29/kevin-kelly/

He talks about how the amish have a sensible approach to technology, choosing to selectively introduce with individuals and observe the effects on the community before deciding whether to globally adopt it or not. By doing this they have kept their ways, traditions and life pretty much untainted by the negative aspects of technology.

Furthermore he goes into how there is a underpopulation time bomb waiting to go off and that birth rates are in steep decline, and that’s going to mean more stress on welfare sector as less people in work to sustain and provide for seniors in society.

This dovetails well with Roosh’s examination of the various family destructive and population control policies, cultural changes and so on that are essentially causing the death of the family unit in favour of individualistic subservience to and dependence on the state.

If you have a family, you have a gang. If you have a gang you have power.

State actors don’t want this to happen.

Fascinating stuff. And yeah man be painfully selective on the internet, its addictive to get angry but wastes time that could be better spent on skills, or real life activities.

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I experienced something this week which relates to the point you’ve made anon1,

Since I did not have a PC this week, I was forced to seek contact with my roommates for companionship and entertainment and relaxation. One of my roommates invited me to watch the new Sherlock episode with him.

We decided to invite some of our other roommates. But every single one of them had already watched the tv show… alone. We also made a proposition to watch the new ‘The Revenant’ movie. Once again, half the house had already watched it in downloaded format.

This implies that every single one of these people, who are living within 1 meters distance of each other, are preferring to spend hours away alone watching a tv-show, even though everyone seems to have the same taste in what’s cool to watch, so there was no reason not to watch it together.

I feel like these (unintended?) consequences of technology are leading to atomization on an extreme level, as well as building anti-social habits, which together slowly erode social cohesion. Despite this, I’ve noticed that when an offer is made to watch something together, 9 out of 10 people vastly prefers this to solitary entertainment consumption.

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Agree very much.

The issue I find (with organising shit especially), is that you have to tailor individual invitations to every single person and often their replies are dependent on other invitees replies which can get frustrating.

For example it is easier to invite 10 friends and lie to each of them that the other 9 are coming, to get a high attendance, than it is to invite all 10 of them without the lie.

And as I don’t like lying it can get tiresome to organise.

I also prefer the quality of person to be important. In other words. 3 guy friends that are absolutely all in on any ideas you’ve got are far more valuable in my opinion than 20 tepid maybeish guys and girls who are unreliable.

The paradox is that often to find those three solid dudes you can count to have your back in whatever ventures you get up too, often you need to screen through a high volume of people to find these exceptional types.

Its also my opinion that the vast majority of winners are from these categories and it’s also the reason why most people are so mediocre.

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That’s another interesting topic,

1. I’ve been wondering for a while to what extent the way that I formulate invitations or requests over text influences the response I will get. I think there must be something to say for ‘asexual game’, i.e. using some marketing techniques in your text invitations/requests. On the other hand, it’s still mostly the whatsinitforme-filter you’re going to have to pass if you want people to come to your event.

2. Lying doesn’t sound all that amoral to me in this context. Another approach is simply to always focus on the key connector within a group; someone who is naturally charismatic or high value, as people are attracted to high value. If you yourself are high value / charismatic you shouldn’t have this problem.

3. Groups larger than 5 simply have different group dynamics. Within 5 or less you can still maintain a level of conversational quality and depth. But too many people means sub-groups will form, and introducing women to the mix will immediately alter the group dynamics as well. If you’re looking to create 10+ people events it’s by nature social circle, and by nature more superficial and ‘fun’ oriented.

4. I think what we are both struggling with, is that organizing shit seems way harder than it ought to be. Also, you as an organizer are being punished, rather than rewarded, because you have to take care of logistics and invite people and bear rejection and so on, while no one else wants to help out. The reality is that organizing shit in the 21st century is actually a demanding and challenging skill that requires practice, but will teach you about making effective value propositions and about human nature (i.e. always offer value or people won’t give a shit).

It is what it is I guess.

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Goddammit, living in DC has driven me to this as well.

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I work in the tech field (support) I know first hand how easy it can be to fall into a trap of over using tech on daily bases, I see it mostly with smart phones currently. But I am sure thru history man questioned whatever new tech came out that replaced a previous tool. Rock was replaced by spear, spear replaced by sword, sword replaced by bow and arrow, then crossbow then came along firearms. And this can be said about any tech that developed over the last 5000 years.

In the future people or what approximates as people will look at whatever developments they have and ask themselves (or broadcast there thoughts Borg like) Do we really need this transdimensional mapping app?

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As Big Data continues to collect more information, we will be increasingly influenced to take suggestions from a computer. We may live longer, but at the expense of our humanity. If I had cancer it would be hard for me to refuse the treatment suggestion of a computer algorithm with thousands of similar cases.

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I’m actually really concerned about the development of general AI which as geeky as it sounds, could pretty much signal humanities end.

Even people who should be on our side of the web, peter thiel, elon musk and the like are funding the development of general AI despite previously remarking on the fears surrounding it.

For every world problem solved by a computer that can think for itself, there is a thousand ways it could end up killing us.

I think the real measure is how do you use the information? Do you mindlessly obey it, or analyze it to help make an informed decision?

I’ve been using Waze since 2012. I treat it as an instrument like my speedometer or gas gauge. It provides me situational awareness of my trip. I take what it tells me under advisement, but I’m the captain of my ship and the decision is mine.

I live in Northern VA, and often Waze will tell me to get off 95 and take route 1. As a local, I know in most cases that will be worse, so I reject Waze’s advice. But on trips outside of the area, it has saved me quite a few times.

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I agree with this. There has been a time when I was traveling and a major interstate closed down and it was one of the few bridges that took you out of town. I saw the same vehicles drive around in circles trying to find their way out, where as all they had to do was open their digital map and search for another bridge. Took 10 minutes and I was free.

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Maybe automated direction systems have evolved, but my experience was that sometimes in long distance driving it would tell you to get off the highway and take the local road in the same direction as the highway, then get back on to the highway. This despite no reason for this. If I know the area I go by my personal familiarity, though, I will use the system for when I am in an area I do not know

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From “Industrial Society and Its Future”

“But we are suggesting neither that the human race would voluntarily turn power over to the machines nor that the machines would willfully seize power. What we do suggest is that the human race might easily permit itself to drift into a position of such dependence on the machines that it would have no practical choice but to accept all of the machines’ decisions. As society and the problems that face it become more and more complex and as machines become more and more intelligent, people will let machines make more and more of their decisions for them, simply because machine-made decisions will bring better results than man-made ones. Eventually a stage may be reached at which the decisions necessary to keep the system running will be so complex that human beings will be incapable of making them intelligently. At that stage the machines will be in effective control. People won’t be able to just turn the machines off, because they will be so dependent on them that turning them off would amount to suicide.”

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“Submitting” is not an accurate description of what you are doing. The app is not imposing it’s will upon you; it is presenting information based upon other information that was fed into it. You have free will to utilize the information as you see fit.

All the app is doing is presenting you with information that it has generated by analyzing other information. You could do the same thing, if you had the time.

The idea that you are “submitting” to the app is a bit far fetched. You are making a more informed decision than you would otherwise have made, because you have information that would take several hours to create without computers.

When the app gives you a more efficient route, you are no more submitting to the app than you would be “submitting to a book” if you read a book about car repair before attempting to drop the engine block and replace it.

Edit: Or perhaps more aptly put, I am no more “submitting to a book” if I were to read “Bang” by Roosh before going out and attempting to get laid than Roosh is “submitting to the app” by utilizing a computer algorithm to display the best possible route and making a decision based off that information.

I wouldn’t say that I’m “submitting” to you when attempting to get laid using information in “Bang.” Using the information you provide and trusting that it isn’t wrong, absolutely.

In “Bang”, you did exactly what Waze does: you took a large data set (all of your sexual encounters with women), analyzed how they were successful through your own personal “algorithm”, and made the data available to those who purchased your book, with the intention that readers utilize the data to maximize their successes (ie: find a shorter route to the destination).

In both cases, both of us have the choice to ignore the information presented. A more apt scenario where we are slaves to technology would be a situation where a computer does a genetic analysis on what your ideal career would be and you are *forced* by the government to abide by that analysis. A mere genetic analysis of what your most fulfilling career is, without coercion to follow said analysis, is merely additional information at your disposal when making a career decision. Like all information one considers when making a career decision, you can choose to ignore it and pursue a career as a porn star, even if people tell you that you have the body of Danny DeVito.

You don’t read Bang to submit to Bang; you read it to outgrow it, to overcome it.

When in the presence of a master you may submit to them to learn their craft, but ultimately the student should exceed the teacher. Either you become better at Game than Roosh, or your find another passion in life and integrate Game into the passion (maybe you get married, maybe you start a brothel, whatever).

With Bang the submission is temporary, and eventually you grow beyond it. With Waze the submission never ends,and your ability to exist independently is curtailed.

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Well, with time you *could* (assisted by Waze) develop a ESP that bests Waze, is less error-prone and better integrates the intangible variables that matter to you only.

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You’re not a slave if you can turn it off anytime you want.

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Addicts often tell themselves they can stop anytime they want. The illusion of control is far more powerful than control itself.

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Nobody is addicted to Waze. Nobody sits on their toilet staring at Waze. Nobody sits at a restaurant table using Waze rather than having conversations with friends. It’s just a tool. And people use it only for the purpose it’s designed for. To get people around more efficiently. It’s not like Facebook or video games where people spend hours staring at it like zombies and giving up their social life to be on it. That’s what I mean.

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The issue with technological progress is that if you want to participate in society, you pretty much have to play along.

How could you possibly get a job nowadays without knowing how to send emails, write a line of code, read words? This Waze App is stealing your humanity but can’t you similarly argue that the chair you are sitting on is robbing you of your contact with the Earth? Or that weather reports rob you of the excitement of tomorrow? Or that news sources are robbing you of an unbiased opinion?

The sad part of this is with dependency comes complacency and incompetence which eventually leads to collapse.

We think kids having no idea how to clean a rifle or make a campfire or do their own financials/budgeting are bad?

Also I would argue the accuracy of calling what those who are completely enamored of social media do as “participating in society.”
Generally, we’re more insular and anti-social than ever.

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I think it’s possible to live in such a society where technology is rampant. Whether we like it or not technology will continue to chug on and on and on. We have to find some kind of healthy relationship with it, or else go live on an island somewhere.
I think the issue is that we’ve lost respect for conservative values. I don’t mean conservative as in Bible thumping but rather the virtues of personal responsibility, respect for the past, and freedom of thought and expression.
People are allowing themselves to rely more and more on external things. Government and technology included.

The line is definitely blurry, but a new technological advance that makes you less human should be looked on with at least some skepticism. Its downsides must be discussed.

Right now people are adopting tech without understanding what they will do to them. It’s like taking a medicine without being informed of the side effects.

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Waze doesn’t even give you the best route for a human to navigate, it often overcomplicates routes

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I can’t remember the link, but there’s an article out there that outlines a study on the effect that GPS systems have on the brain. It found that people who solely rely on a GPS will see the hippocampus region of their brain start to “shrink” . So beyond the social implications of this app, and what you are experiencing, there are very real biological implications.

Good link. This is a good enough reason for me to quite Waze. Save time now…. for decreased brain function later.

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No offense to anyone, but this is the kind of app for people with no sense of direction. Or as I like to put it, the kind of people who think North West is Kim and Kanye’s baby.

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Meh. I’m sure when paper maps came out people lamented that now it’s too easy to pull out a paper map rather than a sextant and compass to get around.

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Never heard of Waze. But I’ve seen enough ads for FitBit to worry me. I don’t use it for my own workouts, yet I don’t need monitoring. It’s as simple as, if my heart beat gets too high, it’s time for a break.

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I think it’s more marketed towards a girl who can say ooooh look I burned 200 calories today walking around the office, I deserve a frosty and fries.

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Plus it’s looks cool and trendy. Like, omigosh!

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Although I’m into all the latest tech and gadgets, I know I can live without most of them. Sooner or later, we might even have apps that tell us when to pee and poop. I wouldn’t be surprised. There are some common sense stuff that we humans should already know but with so much reliance to technology, our human mind is being dependable on external factors and becoming brain dead zombie-like almost like robotic. Just the other day, I saw a girl who was looking at her iPhone as she was walking and she bumped into another girl who was also looking at her iPhone. This happened in a mall and it was so comical but also sad.

I think if one is not making money off of these technology or learning something useful then it’s pretty much waste of time. It’s just another distraction for the sheep population. I rarely use my phone except for few important phone calls and picture camera (in case of car accident and one needs picture for evidence).

This App waze is probably going to be another fad and trend until someone comes up with something “better” or something “new”.

Many times when I relied on my GPS for navigation, it took me to roads that were no longer available, took me to wrong turn, etc. I only use it as emergency or if it’s place I’m not familiar with. I always study google map for my location before hand and planning before a road trip.

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Same here. I live in a small city anyways so I don’t need GPS. Plus there is an ordinance against texting and driving here.

When driving across country, I will often plot out my route before hand, jot it down in a notebook, and trust my common sense to get me there. It probably costs an extra hour or two of time (during a 8-16 hour journey), but there’s catharsis present in knowing and feeling my route, even if I take a few wrong turns along the way.

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”In the most general sense, technologies can be divided into two broad classes, which we can respectively call tools and prosthetics. The difference is a matter of function. A tool expands human potential, giving people the ability to do
things they couldn’t otherwise do. A prosthetic, on the other hand, replaces
human potential, doing something that under normal circumstances, people can do just as well for themselves. Most discussions of technology these days focus on tools, but the vast majority of
technologies that shape the lives of people in a modern industrial society are
not tools but prosthetics.”

I stop by AA every year to get a set of updated maps. Not because I don’t use Google Maps or other GPS programs to help get me around, but for the time in which the service goes down or you enter an area with poor to little/no service.

I was once driving across the country and I hit a section where major cell service had gone down or GPS just wasn’t working. I didn’t know my way around at all after I got off the interstate but luckily I had a map. I pulled in a diner parking lot to find a route and noticed the parking lot was rather full. People were just sitting in their cars. When a few saw I had a map they got out and approached me. They said their GPS had failed so they were waiting for it to come online before continuing their journey as they didn’t have any maps. They asked if they could use my map. There must have been half a dozen people just sitting in cars literally paralyzed because GPS was down going no where until they had the computer come back on line to tell them where to go. It was amazing.

What was doubly amazing though was the fact that two of the drivers who were under 30 had no idea had to read a paper map. I had to show them how to use it. I was frankly more astonished with this map. I learned how to read a map in elementary school. It was such a strange experience.

After helping a few people out I left and spent the rest of the car ride wondering how quickly in our “automation society” it would all go down if the internet were just to one day go dark. How many people would just essentially “shut down”? How many people possess simple tools such as a map to which they can use to be self sufficient? How many people would just plain paralyze from the lack of information at their finger tips pretty much all the time? I think it would literally be less then 24 hours before signs of society collapsing would start emerging.

I think the difference between a lot of the things you listed, and the waze app is that those types of things would mostly depend on the person that is using is – while Waze just depends on where you are at the moment. I see where you’re going with this though, society’s increased reliance in technology has made it harder for people to connect with real people, outside of a cell phone screen and a twitter account.

New technologies make our lives easier. The problem is not technology itself, but the way we use it. What makes the big difference is the person using it. Some people smart enough will use it to improve themselves while others will sink in lazziness and shallowness.

It reminds me this picture :

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I understand and agree with this fear. But,

Will you give up your love life to an algorithm that guarantees a perfect match with a woman who will love you until you die and give you at least two healthy and beautiful children?

Yeah, this is one area where I would use technology to benefit me. First of all, marriage is something if I ever do, I will only do once. Using tech to help me make ONE big important decision is different than relying on it as a crutch every day of my life, making me a weaker person reliant on technology.

If an EMP attack occurred and all electronics stopped functioning, life would go on for me and my ideal wife–it would have no impact on us, since the algorithm used to match each other was done years ago and didn’t require any further involvement past us actually meeting each other once.

One of the big problems of being dependent on technology is that you fail to think for yourself and don’t learn from your mistakes. That analogy doesn’t hold when dealing with women because since they are completely illogical and emotional, one doesn’t learn by failing with them, and many men will go through lives failing with one women after another, getting married 5 or 6 times, and never finding happiness. That’s different than the analytical knowledge ones mind would develop by constantly mapping out neighborhoods in the brain, creating a spatial recognition system in the mind. A guy does not learn by going through multiple bad experiences with women.

To some degree, game can be learned, but really, game is almost a crutch or a technology — it’s a simple set of rules one must follow, setting aside and ignoring one’s natural instinct to be a caring, loving guy, trying to help or console a woman, etc. and following a step of routines that involve being a jerk, entertaining her with stupid lines, escalating physically, and then using her body. I wonder what the author thinks of game as an analogy for technology with women.

Ultimately, couldn’t game actually damage humanity and social interaction, if it was taken to an extreme? After all, game is primarily self centered–how to obtain physical pleasure I want from a woman, and is not concerned about the health of society as a whole, so if the WHOLE society practiced game, I think social fabric would collapse.

hopefully Iran grows some balls, but I don’t think they will. all talk and little pussy arson attacks

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You’re way overthinking this. I recently started using Waze a few months ago myself and have not looked back at Google Maps. I now can look at Waze in the morning before work and know if I have to leave for work a bit earlier than normal since it is so accurate. When it’s time for the commute home I can look at Waze and decide to leave then or wait 30 minutes for things to die down. I use Waze because it adds value to my life. The same reason I use any other app. Nobody is forcing me to use it. If Waze went away tomorrow I’d live just fine without it as it did before mapping apps. But it adds value so I’ll continue to use it. Nobody here is becoming “an obedient subject” to anything. If one doesn’t like it or doen’st find any value in using it, then delete the app.

edit…plus some people REALLY need the information it provides, such as those who drive for a living like truck drivers, taxis, Uber/Lyft drivers. It brings greater efficiency to a lot of people who make their money driving. Imagine requesting a Uber or Lyft ride and the driver having to pull over and get out his paper map to figure out where he is and where you are, and how much longer it would take for the driver to show up.

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Technology makes us stupid. Since I moved to China I can’t remember phone numbers, including my own. I don’t have to. Part of it is because there are 13 digits in a Chinese number rather than 7 or 10. However, since my phone stores numbers and I can simply text others mine, I never need to actually remember the numbers.
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It gets worse: kids these days are terrible at math because they rely on calculators. They don’t need to learn anything because they can simply look it up on the internet. Today’s generation can go geo-caching but they would get lost and die without their GPS (I can still remember how to use a map and compass from my army days and can at least estimate directions by sun or stars).
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Cell phones have made people stupid socially. In former times you actually had to make and stick to plans made by land line phone or even by snail mail. You couldn’t leave things to last minute or change your mind or be fickle about such things if you wanted to maintain good relationships with people.

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I use this app, only on one freeway, because I want to see if people see cops, since im driving solo in the carpool lane lol.

I also use it to see if there are any cops and I’ve had a drink or 2, if there are, I’m calling uber.

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3 years ago

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I feel the same way with subtitles on movies. If I use them too much, I become really bad at listening to people in conversations

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3 years ago

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IKR.. one of my personal hates is watching an American documentary set in Australia or UK, and there’s subtitles. They’re all speaking ENGLISH you fucking dolts!

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Wait a minute.. there is software which actually *saves* you time, rather than wasting it? Where do I sign up? Sorry, but it seems to me Waze is exactly the reason computers were invented, i.e. solving problems and making lives easier. Any app that helps me dodge yet another fucking traffic jam or line of red lights gets my vote.

Same goes with a few of the other points raised.. I would certainly “submit” to one related to good health and longevity. An app that could give me my ideal diet or exercise plan for my particular genetics and body type, and my required goals? Again, where the fuck do I sign up?

I know, I know.. over-dependence on technology is a slippery slope, and could lead to all kinds of dystopian scenarios from the “Matrix” or “Terminator”-style worlds where machines take over, to the “Idiocracy” trope (which we’re already witnessing today, frankly). It is a fine line concerning technology benefiting us in our daily lives. There are plenty of arenas where a person can and should rely on his own intelligence and decision making, like in his career and relationships.

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Replace mind with technology and muscle with machines i you´ll have the perfect pussyfied male society. Why have smart and strong men if you can have iZombies and wimps ???? I can feel the Corporate Matrix breath after this fact.

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Good points Roosh. i think that man, or atleast some men have a desire to rage against the machine, rules and protocol. I’m going to estimate at maybe 20% upper limit.

We do not like lack of choice, but we are happy with illusion of choice which seems to be the systems current way of balancing men with a innate need to break off and form their own packs, “errant behaviour”.

Example of illusion of choice is that most media, movies, and television is controlled by the Big 6. Trace the roots back long enough through offshore companies, and the like and you get the same lot of companies offering a false variety of choice for modern man to feast on. It doesn’t matter which flavour you pick, its all from the same meat.

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Yep. Computers can store info and they never die. Humans can´t store info. They can always transfer through teaching but it´s not the same. If humans were immortal computers would never outreach us. Imagine you lived forever. At some point that app would probably be useless.

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I don’t drive, and I don’t care about any of the other bullshit on your list. You submit because you have no sound philosophical grounding. Ultimately it is desire that you are submitting to.

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Roosh, you should read The Shallows which came out in 2011 but still has accurate descriptions of what you are talking about. Our brains are turning into mush and unable to operate the same way they did even ten years ago, thanks to the Internet, Google, etc.

That said, Waze does give you the opportunity to watch those who are watching you – with real time updates of where the speed traps are. Have to say it’s a nice way to stay one step ahead of the man.

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UPS package delivery service now has a drone in the brown van that tells the driver exactly when and where to drop off the packages, saving them the most fuel and time. However local businesses used to getting their packages before or around lunch have now been thrown under the bus and do not get delivery around noon, like they used to. So much for technology.

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The next step is that the cars are going to drive themselves. You tell them where you want to go, and it will take you there. Does Roosh view that as submitting?

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2 years ago

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Waze and the map apps are decent at avoiding traffic, BUT…I have a morning commute involving crossing a bridge: ALL 3 apps, Waze, Googlemaps and Apple maps; fail to find my self invented route that avoids all the highway traffic by jumping off the highways with their rush hour traffic. My route is 20 minutes, the others prescribe routes of 35 or more minutes. I was only using the apps because there was a highway option if all clear that was the fastest, and the apps all recomended using, wasting 15 minutes on a direct yet horrible option when I have to be there before 8am or jeopardize my future. I stopped doing it at all, checking the apps, and just take my route I found before ever hearing of Waze: the highway with the least traffic for one exit and negotiate sidestreets.
The apps all break down when a) dealing with rush hours, highways, B) BUT ONLY IF if there’s a route you discovered involving local roads that are residential, with few lights to slow your route. I think NYC’s posted 30 MPH speed limit and all way stop signs helps to distort local roads. Nobody going to work drives that slowly. And Where the streets are one way, residential and uncluttered (NOT manhattan One way streets); nobody in a hurry comes to a full stop on all way stop sign intersections of one way streets. You can look in rear view and down that road whether there’s an NYPD car that can observe you rolling thru. On main roads there’s too many other cars, one could be an unmarked cop car. But what the hell would a cop car be doing patrolling dead residential streets during morning rush hour? They’re busy handling accidents and sticking to main roads where action happens.
Also, in quiet residential areas with stop lights and few cars, you can treat red lights like stop signs. Stop, look both ways, than proceed, since no cars are coming on the perpendicular path. Again, look for cop cars first.

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2 years ago

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Hey hey, waze is a startup by Israelis!

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2 years ago

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JewsAllover

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Who cares??? go rape

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2 years ago

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I have noticed that ever since high school my spelling is terrible. Terrible to the point where I am reliant on spellcheck and googling words. No way could I ever write a letter (pen and paper) without it looking like a 3rd grader wrote it.