vicdan wrote:Except that there is no humane way to reduce population fast enough to make a difference.

Mass voluntary suicide could be an option. How? Say you have successive waves of thousands of people who are all given their worldy desires over a predetermined period of time, let's say a few weeks, where they can get laid, take all the drugs they want, eat and drink all they want etc, but when the end comes they all get terminated. Why not televise it? The ratings would be huge! It's a win-win situation, the future dead get what they want before they snuff it, the living get entertained. Ultimate Reality TV.

Schroeder Institute for Research in Cycles of Solar ActivityWaldmuenchen, Germany

Analysis of the sun's varying activity in the last two millenia indicates that contrary to the IPCC's speculation about man-made global warming as high as 5.8C within the next hundred years, a long period of cool climate with its coldest phase around 2030 is to be expected.

Is global warming hysteria pointless considering the next ice age is imminent? I believe in human caused global warming, but it's a consensus in the non-politically motivated community that interglacial periods last about 10,000-15,000 years. And the last glacial periods ended that long ago.______________keyword research ~ keyword tool ~ keyword tracking ~ affiliate elite

Scary timeline map of global warming. Lacks any detail, so is dependent of course on the quality of the base data.

Still I'd be hard pressed to say they who provide or prepared the base data could fudge figures across the world to such a great degree. Not that I could image the world wide conspiracy that others beleive in - I mean even China is giving the appearance of fully supporting measures to reduce atmospheric CO2.

Jamesh wrote:Scary timeline map of global warming. Lacks any detail, so is dependent of course on the quality of the base data.

Still I'd be hard pressed to say they who provide or prepared the base data could fudge figures across the world to such a great degree. Not that I could image the world wide conspiracy that others beleive in - I mean even China is giving the appearance of fully supporting measures to reduce atmospheric CO2.

Jimbo,I take it you are from Down Under? The greatest problem IMO is your Great Coral Reef. All that loss of coral is not good at all.

As far as China goes, they ain't giving up anything on cap-n-trade. Ditto India. There is no real mineral base in China so they have to import so much of there raw material (with the rare mineral exception, which they are blessed with). They are prudently trading their US dollar holdings (such as Afghanistan's giant copper reserves and Venezuelan high-sulphur crude oil) while it has some sort of value. Canada is digging in its heels more than any other country. They haven't a choice though as they will/are unifying with USA and Mexico in some sort of.

Your "snapshot" timeline video > It'd be interesting what it would look like from the mid 1940s to early 1960s to see how the atomic/hydrogen bomb fireballs heated up sectors of the planet, namely over Russia, China, Australia, US and the Pacific testing areas......

With so much attention on how global warming affects human life, and that focus going to the land environment (because mostly humans live on land) it is easy to forget that what goes on in the ocean has a big impact on humanity too. Indeed, we are all One.

As for global warming, in my opinion the bigger danger for human kind is to run out of hot air. That's, admittedly, the lens through which I read a lot of material when anyone, including scientists, tries to invoke or promote some "doing about something". As if any human planning or "solution" on any large or "global" scale hasn't let to disaster as of yet, if not right away then on the slightly longer term! Causality, black swans and so on.

Greenland is important as proxy as it generally seems to correlate with Northern Hemisphere temperature overall, unlike many other proxies of the past . It also captures the strange warming between 1919-1932, culminating in the 1930's having the most heat records in the US ever recorded.

This ties in with a project to collect more data on the mediaeval warming period as can be seen here MWP Online Map. Meaning more and more research is showing sudden "extreme" warming around the globe is also something from the past, leaving us with the question how much exactly is being added by current CO2 output of industry and transportation.