a group hasn't shown up: gmane.org.telecom.pakistan-grid

Faried Nawaz <notthe <at> b.org.pk>
2008-12-04 08:41:55 GMT

Hello,
I requested the group for telecom-grid-pakistan <at> googlegroups.com. I got
mail five days ago saying it had been subscribed and the group would be
created when the first message arrived. There's been some traffic in
the list, but the group hasn't shown up.
Faried.
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Re: Message-IDs munged in gmane.linux.debian.devel.dpkg.bugs

Sven Joachim <svenjoac <at> gmx.de>
2008-12-04 13:18:05 GMT

[Sorry for the late reply -- this just got worse recently.]
On 2008-06-09 22:18 +0200, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> Sven Joachim <svenjoac <at> gmx.de> writes:
>
>> Gmane modifies Message-IDs in gmane.linux.debian.devel.dpkg.bugs by
>> adding (seemingly) arbitrary stuff to the original Message-ID. This
>> causes broken threads when replying by mail, so what is the reason for
>> it?
>
> See "address encryption" in the FAQ.
I have now read that section, but I still do not understand why you are
encrypting _Message-IDs_. What is this good for, especially when the
email addresses themselves are not (and should not be) encrypted?
Recently this (IMHO) nonsense started on
gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general as well, and now I have no choice
but to break threads if I want to reply to a bug report. :-/
Unhappy,
Sven

Re: Message-IDs munged in gmane.linux.debian.devel.dpkg.bugs

Sven Joachim <svenjoac <at> gmx.de>
2008-12-04 18:39:44 GMT

On 2008-12-04 14:18 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote:
> Recently this (IMHO) nonsense started on
> gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general as well,
Although it is not done consistently there. Only some Message-IDs are
encrypted, others not; I'm unable to find a pattern for that.
Oh, and the Message-IDs in the "References:" header are never encrypted,
meaning that threading in Gmane itself is utterly b0rked for messages
with encrypted Message-ID.
Sven

Re: Strange pdf-devel email from you

Simon Josefsson <simon <at> josefsson.org>
2008-12-04 19:15:14 GMT

Simon Josefsson <simon <at> josefsson.org> writes:
> Kjetil Torgrim Homme <kjetilho <at> linpro.no> writes:
>
>> Simon Josefsson <simon <at> josefsson.org> writes:
>>
>>> Hi. I got this from the gnupdf mail admin. Is it possible to
>>> disable e-mail encryption for gmane.comp.gnu.pdf.devel? It seems it
>>> doesn't work right.
>>>
>>> Btw, would it be possible to disable it for
>>> gmane.network.ssh.libssh2.devel too? I manually modify the e-mail
>>> headers every time I e-mail that list, and sometimes I forget..
>>
>> why aren't you posting via NNTP instead? then Gmane will sort it out
>> for you.
>
> Oh. I had an old gnus-mailing-list-groups setting here. I'll try
> posting via NNTP and see how it works. If you don't get this post, it
> failed. :)
I have tried this for a few days now, and realized why I added the
gnus-mailing-list-groups setting in Gnus a long time ago:
By posting via NNTP, the person that sent the e-mail will not be cc'ed
(right?). I often read mailing lists where the person sending e-mails
is not subscribed to the mailing list. So posting to NNTP doesn't
really work in practice, the other person will not get my response.
Any chance encryption could be disabled for the two groups above?

Re: Message-IDs munged in gmane.linux.debian.devel.dpkg.bugs

Adam Sjøgren <asjo <at> koldfront.dk>
2008-12-04 19:28:21 GMT

On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:39:44 +0100, Sven wrote:
> On 2008-12-04 14:18 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote:
>> Recently this (IMHO) nonsense started on
>> gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general as well,
> Although it is not done consistently there. Only some Message-IDs are
> encrypted, others not; I'm unable to find a pattern for that.
If any of the mailinglists are archived elsewhere, maybe you can glean
something from the other archives?
Could it be emails that are crossposted? Maybe linking to specific
examples will make it easier to track down?
Just an idea,
Adam
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Re: Message-IDs munged in gmane.linux.debian.devel.dpkg.bugs

Sven Joachim <svenjoac <at> gmx.de>
2008-12-04 19:41:26 GMT

On 2008-12-04 20:28 +0100, Adam Sjøgren wrote:
> On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:39:44 +0100, Sven wrote:
>
>> On 2008-12-04 14:18 +0100, Sven Joachim wrote:
>>> Recently this (IMHO) nonsense started on
>>> gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general as well,
>
>> Although it is not done consistently there. Only some Message-IDs are
>> encrypted, others not; I'm unable to find a pattern for that.
>
> If any of the mailinglists are archived elsewhere, maybe you can glean
> something from the other archives?
I don't think they are archived, at least Debian does not do that for
these lists; only the individual bugs are archived. Google Groups also
tracks them, but they don't even show Message-IDs.
> Could it be emails that are crossposted? Maybe linking to specific
> examples will make it easier to track down?
I will keep an eye on that in the next days. For now I've added
"\\|Message-Id:" to gnus-visible-headers so that I can spot it more
easily.
Cheers,
Sven