“where you have a 32-year-old aide [Stephen Miller] who takes a position that is extreme, that’s an outlier and the president continues to back down from what he believes and lets his staff lead him around by the nose,” he continues, “This is paralyzed government. The president agrees with the Democrats. The President agrees with the majority of people in the Senate.” He also said that a 32-year old person effectively paralyzed the government and the country and asked Meacham if he remembers any president like Trump.

“The presidents who are warmly remembered are ones that ultimately tell their political base that they’re wrong,” Meacham told Scarborough. “These are people who tell their supporters, ‘On this one, the right thing to do is not what you thought.’ And one of the reasons to go into politics is to be able to move the ball in that sense.”

“And what’s noteworthy here is he’s the president of the United States,” he added. “If he can’t say no to Stephen Miller, God help us.”