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ProFootballTalk on NBCSports.comTue, 31 Mar 2015 20:45:09 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: johnj87http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/26/some-think-bucs-should-move-to-l/#comment-1228502
Mon, 29 Aug 2011 19:45:07 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=150105#comment-1228502Thats str8 BS. Where do y’all get ur info. Y’all Stupid!!!
]]>By: bucsfan420http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/26/some-think-bucs-should-move-to-l/#comment-1227215
Mon, 29 Aug 2011 02:52:11 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=150105#comment-1227215You are correct, Tampa is a larger market then Jacksonville. 13 to 47 it means absolutley nothing when the unemployment rate is higher here. Hell, average income might be higher too but that’s only because a small part of our population makes most of the money and those few people can’t fill a 65k stadium every other Sunday…..Don’t forget ego, we have a Superbowl trophy in our case and I promise we are closer to another one then the Jags are.
]]>By: egettohttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/26/some-think-bucs-should-move-to-l/#comment-1226777
Sun, 28 Aug 2011 18:45:02 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=150105#comment-1226777bucsfan – were you wiping your eyes with a tissue when you wrote this or just drip on your keyboard? Funny, Tampa is much bigger in market size and probably income average, and show up “loud and proud” 49K strong to Jax 63K. Then take a shot at using tarps to pare down a 77K seat stadium to 67K, which is still larger than most small markets. Clown.
]]>By: bucsfan420http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/26/some-think-bucs-should-move-to-l/#comment-1226680
Sun, 28 Aug 2011 18:02:45 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=150105#comment-1226680Check it out folks, of all citys with atleast one profesional sports franchise, the Tampa Bay area has the highest unemployment rate of any of them, Detroit included. I understand that the bad economy is a global/national problem, but if you do not live here you cannot see how our local economy is struggling to provide the bare essentials for the working class. People here are deciding to put clothes on their kids backs, gas in their cars, food in their families mouths and trying to continue paying mortgages rather than spend money at profesional sporting events. The average ticket price to a Bucs game is roughly $110. $15 minimum to park, but as high as $30. I do not need to talk about concessions ,we all know how much you can spend there, but they are optional. So try to bring a family of four to an NFL game for under $600-$700 x eight home games. Tampa loves the Bucs, 2003-04 was an amazing time here and the community has not forgotten what this team means to us, but the last few years of the Chucky era was hard to stomach. It seemed like the Glazers let Jony Boy run this team into the ground with over priced, over rated aging free agents that put this team behind the eightball for several seasons after SB XXXVII. Gruden might know something about offense, but he knows nothing regarding player personel or player relations (see Keyshawn Johnson) So now it seems this team has finally found its franchise quarterback it has saught since drafting the likes of Spurrier, Williams, Testeverde, etc, and found a young head coach that communicates well with this very young team. The national media hates to admit or even think about what this team could potentialy do over the next few seasons, continuing to draft with Mark Dominik’s philosophies and baring injuries to the young- already stars they have in place, this team will be a force to be reckoned with for many seasons to come. Hopefully the economy will start to turn around. When that happens and folks have extra money for leisure activities, RJS will be filled again, just like 1995-2006 with some of the loudest and proudest blue collar fans this side of Pittsburgh.

PS. We dont use tarps to cover empty seats Jacksonville

]]>By: egettohttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/26/some-think-bucs-should-move-to-l/#comment-1225548
Sat, 27 Aug 2011 22:30:27 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=150105#comment-1225548Why not spread your crap stories about the “chronic struggle” of the 8 other teams below the jags in avg attendance? Not even adjusting for the small market and this wonderful economy the jags will avg over 60K fans again in a metro area of a little over a million, but your website has created a nation of ignorance about jaguar attendance issues. Couple that with W Weaver continued insistence that the team is going nowhere. Why don’t you write an article about how you have been wrong about Jax, little man?
]]>By: machomaniachttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/26/some-think-bucs-should-move-to-l/#comment-1225426
Sat, 27 Aug 2011 20:57:02 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=150105#comment-1225426I dunno why people talk London. Teams will move to LA and Toronto first

The NFL is the only major league not in Toronto n that’s only cuz the CFL n the bills prevented it before

]]>By: MichaelEditshttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/26/some-think-bucs-should-move-to-l/#comment-1225004
Sat, 27 Aug 2011 16:09:13 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=150105#comment-1225004Please get a clue, people. Tampa supports the Bucs. I lived in Tampa during the creamsickle days. Damn loyal fan base.
]]>By: bukes111http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/26/some-think-bucs-should-move-to-l/#comment-1224919
Sat, 27 Aug 2011 14:52:33 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=150105#comment-1224919Well here’s the bottom quartile of average attendance last year. The Jags may not be able to sell out the upper deck, but they outdrew Tampa last year (63k vs 49k in avg attendance).

As of a few days ago, Jacksonville stations were reporting that the Jags still needed to sell 12,000 tickets to avoid a blackout in game one.

I dont think they are going anywhere either, but get your facts straight….

]]>By: damayan5http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/26/some-think-bucs-should-move-to-l/#comment-1224297
Sat, 27 Aug 2011 00:03:14 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=150105#comment-1224297The real reason no one brings it up is because the Bucs are legally bound to Tampa until 2026 as part of the Community Investment Tax Agreement.

A little research does wonders…

]]>By: gforce21http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/26/some-think-bucs-should-move-to-l/#comment-1224226
Fri, 26 Aug 2011 23:17:03 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=150105#comment-1224226how about we just leave this as an american game? i already hate the thought of a possible super bowl there let alone team(s) jumping the pond. if the owners and players weren’t so greedy these stadiums would be more full than what they are. granted, fl has 3 teams but we all know money is the driving force here. jax should be the one to move if any from down there. tampa bay and miami are classic teams so i’d hate to see them moved. moving to la seems like a waste because then there’ll be 3 teams there and we all saw how that worked out. my vote goes for somewhere in the plains states, virginia, or canadia.
]]>By: NoHomeTeamhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/26/some-think-bucs-should-move-to-l/#comment-1224211
Fri, 26 Aug 2011 23:10:03 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=150105#comment-1224211darthvader89 “I don’t understand how they could fairly play 8 away games while based in London. That would be hell. They’d be constantly jet-lagged. Teams don’t like traveling to the opposite coast much less across an Ocean.”

Exiled1 says: “ . . . Would they play their first eight in the U.S. and last eight in England. Then wouldn’t that put an advantage to the London based team.”

The NFL would have to adopt something other than the traditional “Home-Road-Home” game rotation for a London-based team. It might be a little strange, but doing so would eliminate quite a bit of the transatlantic air time. Say the HM Privateers played three games in Wembly Stadium; then flew to Charlotte to play the Panthers. From there, it’s a short hop to Atlanta (probably about a 90 minute flight?) for a game against the Falcons, and then another maybe two-hour flight to New Orleans. Then back to London for another three Home Games. This year the Bucs are scheduled to play the Vikings, the 49ers, the Packers, and the Jaguars for their nondivisional “away” games, so let’s work with that schedule for the sake of this argument. The Privateers take their “Bye” week after the second round of “Home” games, then fly to San Francisco for the 49ers game. Yeah, that’s a really long flight, but that’s why it would coincide with the “Bye.” The team then flies to Minneapolis for the Vikings game, puddle-jumps to Green Bay for the Packers, and finishes out the trip in Jacksonville for the Jaguars. After that, they’re back to London to finish out the season with three more home games.
My guess is that the team would be flying private or charter for the transatlantic trips, so they could probably shave what would be an 11- or 12-hour trip on a commercial carrier down to about 9 hours. It seems like it would all be fairly workable.

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eastsideballa says: “Greed will destroy the NFL, and I cant wait until it goes up in flames just to see these greedy ***** go broke.”

I suspect that if the NFL “goes up in flames” you will be devastated. There’s too much emotion in your post to think otherwise

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buckeye2280 says: “Wouldn’t a move to London cause a huge fight with the NFLPA and trying to move players to Europe. I don’t know about you but I would think a change like that might cause players who don’t wish to move to automatically become FA’s.”

You presume that there are a significant number of players who would be opposed to playing and/or living in Britain for part of the year. How many players currently reside year-round in the city in which they play home games? Of those that don’t, how many of them are allowed to “fly home” during the season? I seem to recall that Gus Frerotte had an arrangement like that with the Vikings, and that was quite a notable exception to the rule

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shackdelrio says: “An NFL team in London would be a total disaster. Players would not want to play there. Coaches would not want to coach there. It would be a failure.”

And you base this on what, exactly? How many players or coaches have you spoken with about this issue?
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schmitty2 says “London=bad idea. Beer and hot dogs would be replaced by tea and crumpets”

]]>By: marty2019http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/26/some-think-bucs-should-move-to-l/#comment-1224074
Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:01:58 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=150105#comment-1224074falconsfan says:
Aug 26, 2011 4:02 PM
If there isn’t a problem selling tickets in Jacksonville, why do they still have tarps over the upper-decks?

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Because without the tarps, the stadium seats 77,000 and that is just too big for most NFL markets. With the tarps, the stadium holds 67,000, and that is still not small for an NFL stadium.

I don’t know how many times we have to explain this, but I guess we’ll keep doing it, because the tarps aren’t coming off, and the Jags aren’t leaving Jacksonville.

]]>By: iplaybingowitholdpeopleandwinhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/26/some-think-bucs-should-move-to-l/#comment-1224054
Fri, 26 Aug 2011 21:52:15 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=150105#comment-1224054Cumulatively speaking what’s written below will never happen but is good fodder for speculation:

London only makes sense if the NFL re-organizes the AFC or NFC East to pull it off. If Buffalo relocates elsewhere, swap their position with whatever franchise sent to London. It’d be cool to have the Pats play the Brits; may even be like an old school college rivalry on geographic location alone.

Geographically speaking, the NFC East could also bear a European team, wherein Dallas would move to the NFC South. Although it’s doubtful Jerry would go for this, it would make for some interesting games/fan interaction with Washington DC, Philly and NY teams going against a Euro team.

It could be a real boost in economics and interest across the board since the East conferences host cities with huge population centers. Regardless what the league does,
there should be 2 teams in Europe for it to be worth while.

]]>By: theduuuuuuuuuudehttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/26/some-think-bucs-should-move-to-l/#comment-1224051
Fri, 26 Aug 2011 21:51:14 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=150105#comment-1224051Correct: The Rams were in L.A. for almost 50 years. Typo, my bad.
]]>By: tjacks7http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/26/some-think-bucs-should-move-to-l/#comment-1224008
Fri, 26 Aug 2011 21:31:31 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=150105#comment-1224008Honestly, they can move the whole league overseas and it wouldn’t bother me. Between $6 hotdogs and $9 beers and how incredible TV has become in both quality of the games and putting every game on TV- I save a boatload of time and money.
]]>By: tbtrojanhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/26/some-think-bucs-should-move-to-l/#comment-1223993
Fri, 26 Aug 2011 21:25:35 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=150105#comment-1223993Can we all just give it rest with the idiotic London franchise idea.

The NFL sells out 1 game a year in London, ONE, and that somehow translates to a franchise being placed there. You throw in another 7 games with the same team each and every time at the same high prices and you’ll see plenty of blackouts there too.
Fans of all 32 teams spend the money to go to one game a year because it feels like an event, once it becomes a full season people will soon get bored of traveling to London (a place that nobody north of London even likes, how about a game somewhere more central?), getting ripped off, etc.
Plus those fans of the other 31 teams can’t be relied upon to attend every game so the fanbase would need to be built up almost from scratch. It would be worse than the situation in Tampa.

Then when you throw in the logistics of a team having to fly all the way over the Atlantic mutiple times just reach their nearest away games (imagine the travel for a London Bucs @ Seattle Seahawks game), draft picks refusing to sign with the Bucs due to location and UK tax.

A London franchise is more laughable than the idea that Matt “Melted Ice” Ryan is an elite QB.

]]>By: Richard Dicksonhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/26/some-think-bucs-should-move-to-l/#comment-1223924
Fri, 26 Aug 2011 21:00:51 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=150105#comment-1223924Oh, and judging the level of Buc fandom in Orlando by saying no local radio stations are carrying their games fails to take into account what a complete disaster Orlando radio is. One of the classic rock stations just got converted into a simulcast of a AM talk station, and the ESPN affiliate gets drowned out by what sounds like a pirate Cuban radio station after dark. Besides, WDAE’s signal is usually strong enough to reach us, so I don’t really need a local station to carry the games.
]]>By: staffordsyearhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/26/some-think-bucs-should-move-to-l/#comment-1223921
Fri, 26 Aug 2011 21:00:36 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=150105#comment-1223921Cmon nfl were moving the vikings remember?..let’s stay focused here.
]]>By: blackngold4lifehttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/26/some-think-bucs-should-move-to-l/#comment-1223893
Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:52:05 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=150105#comment-1223893If any country gets a NFL team it will be an expansion team..being a LA resident id take the Bucz over the Jagz and any team over The Raiders…
]]>By: rajbaishttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/26/some-think-bucs-should-move-to-l/#comment-1223873
Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:44:04 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=150105#comment-1223873I am okay with them in Tampa or Los Angeles.

I empathize with the economically distraught people in the Tampa/St. Pete area, but there are more economically ravaged cities that have football stadiums packed. Those kinds of cities are showing us that the Bucs’ regional fans are doing them a disservice.

How could you not blame someone to have a thought for a Los Angeles move???

]]>By: hateonjagshttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/26/some-think-bucs-should-move-to-l/#comment-1223833
Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:29:07 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=150105#comment-1223833No way in hell London gets a team, the only reason games in London are sold out is because its ONCE /year and people show up to see something new, only game in the NFL where every jersey is represented in the stands,yes including the Jaguars, Brits love their Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham etc.
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Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:24:36 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=150105#comment-1223819Novel idea on the way…

The owners of teams who struggle with attendance need to do three simple things to avoid blackouts

1. Put a product on the field that the fans can enjoy watching.

2. Charge reasonable ticket prices so that fans can afford to attend the good product being provided. Also, provide reasonably priced consessions that are somewhat edible. I cannot even imagine what the mark-up is on the $8 hockey puck they try to pass off as a hamburger.

3. If you play in a crappy stadium, get your ass into a new one, and not at the taxpayers expense. Afterall, your poor product and exorbinant prices don’t engender loyalty, especially when you want 7 cents of every dollar to fund your own personal Taj Mahal.

]]>By: jimmylionshttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/26/some-think-bucs-should-move-to-l/#comment-1223792
Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:14:34 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=150105#comment-1223792So we’d get 2 teams in LA? Minnesota *and* Tampa? Starting to sound like the old NFC Norris division.
]]>By: romoscollarbonehttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/26/some-think-bucs-should-move-to-l/#comment-1223782
Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:10:53 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=150105#comment-1223782A big stumbling block, would be taxes/healthcare etc. A London based team would have to be headquatered in the US I’m guessing, and those guys granted work visas. Then you’d get into issues with convicted felons getting granted access. Not too long ago Snoop had to cancel a show in London bc he couldn’t get a visa. Would getting Mike Vick over there for a week 6 game be a problem? Who knows?

I think the London experiment has been cute, but when they play that game down in Mexico City, it draws a crazy amount of fans too. I think the NFL would be wiser, to promote travel packages for European fans, where they could maybe go to like 3 games in a row of their fav team, do a little meet and greet etc. The logistics on playing games 7hrs away from NYC would be immense. You’d ask west coast teams to go on the road for 2 or 3 weeks, to play an East coast team followed up by the London squad. IDK. seems a bit much for American’s game.

]]>By: scudbothttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/26/some-think-bucs-should-move-to-l/#comment-1223773
Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:08:31 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=150105#comment-1223773London is just too stupid an idea even for the Eurodreamers at the NFL. LA’s already been too stupid an idea for three pro football teams but probably isn’t too stupid for the current NFL. Toronto waits in anticipation…
]]>By: theytukrjobshttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/26/some-think-bucs-should-move-to-l/#comment-1223765
Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:03:16 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=150105#comment-1223765The flight to London from the East coast is about 7-8 hours. Reasonable.

But the time difference is like 6 hours so you’d almost have to play Sunday evening their time for every game. And it would be a rather long flight if you were coming from the West coast.

The Bucs had an alright team last year and still couldn’t sell out a game. And the team won a superbowl not that long ago so it isn’t like they’ve sucked forever. I’d rather they moved to LA though so my Vikings wouldn’t be on the hook for a stadium.

]]>By: falconsfanhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/26/some-think-bucs-should-move-to-l/#comment-1223762
Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:02:36 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=150105#comment-1223762If there isn’t a problem selling tickets in Jacksonville, why do they still have tarps over the upper-decks?