Danks 0-3 in his last three starts, where he surrendered only 7 earned runs.

Unfortunately, the offense only gave him 4 in support...

GlassSox

05-19-2010, 09:40 PM

Danks was good, no offence, & please let's find someone to play 3rd.

GoGoCrede

05-19-2010, 09:40 PM

I'd blame the bottom of the 6th before I blame Nix.

This. Nix will be the scapegoat for this game, but we had two men on in the 6th with no outs, and we got no runs? Ridiculous.

veeter

05-19-2010, 09:40 PM

That last inning illustrates the brainless approach Walker teaches these guys. They have a guy struggling on the mound, Rios and Quentin both flail away on 1-0 counts. Make the guy throw you a strike OR make it be a pitch you can crush. Carlos swings at one on the ground. With two strikes Alexei is coming out of his ****ing shoes, trying to hit one five miles. The Sox suck and I hate Ozzie and his staff. This has been going on for waaaay to long already.

konerko 14

05-19-2010, 09:40 PM

Postive: Pierre is getting better every game, PK homers, Danks is good as always.

negative: Nix sucks at defense, offense still sucks

JB98

05-19-2010, 09:41 PM

Just fire Walker already. What will it take?

But ... but ... but Walk is a member of the White Sox family! And he's working so hard!

Whatever changes KW wants to make are fine with me. Trades, demotions, firings, resignations, whatever. What we have now isn't going to win a thing, so let's decide what needs to be done to fix this and move forward.

DrCrawdad

05-19-2010, 09:41 PM

I don't care about his win totals the last few years. Saunders is one of the most hittable pitchers in MLB....... Except by us of course.

Making mediocre pitchers look like masters.

There are traditions and then there are White Sox traditions.

Slappy

05-19-2010, 09:42 PM

I only caught the last inning, but Nix' AB was as piss poor as anything I've seen. Was not aggressive or offensive, rather he was looking to get walked and then pop-flew out.

I hate this team.

Tragg

05-19-2010, 09:42 PM

Walker? Hell.
Who decided a career .297 obp hitter should bat 2nd and not be pinch hit for late in the games?

Who put together a team that doesn't have a stinking player on the bench to pinch hit for a .297 obp hitter....or has a .297 career obp hitter on the team in the first place?

Who decided that a major investment in top-flight pitching should be backed up by 4th rate defense?

This is a bad team. Tonight is what the Sox are.

soxinem1

05-19-2010, 09:42 PM

Maybe it is time to pull Frank out of the booth and make him the hitting coach.

Nelfox02

05-19-2010, 09:43 PM

just a nightmare of a season I dont even know what to say anymore

I dont know what can be done to fix this team---whether it be 2010 or 2011

It feels like we see the same game all the time----sox start out okay, grab a small lead early cant hold it.....offense goes into a slumber.......opponent either get a big 2 out hit or we commit a terrible error, and that slams the door

BadBobbyJenks

05-19-2010, 09:43 PM

I think its at the point where I am just going to tivo Danks' starts and just watch the half innings he is pitching.

He was filthy tonight and deserved better.

GlassSox

05-19-2010, 09:43 PM

But ... but ... but Walk is a member of the White Sox family! And he's working so hard!

Whatever changes KW wants to make are fine with me. Trades, demotions, firings, resignations, whatever. What we have now isn't going to win a thing, so let's decide what needs to be done to fix this and move forward.

Just ****ing change something, I really don't care what.

stevied23

05-19-2010, 09:43 PM

UGH...3 errors, and a missed opportunity to gain a game on the Twins.

whitesox4eva

05-19-2010, 09:43 PM

i really feel sorry for Danks
and
Nix just makes me sick

veeter

05-19-2010, 09:44 PM

But ... but ... but Walk is a member of the White Sox family! And he's working so hard!

Whatever changes KW wants to make are fine with me. Trades, demotions, firings, resignations, whatever. What we have now isn't going to win a thing, so let's decide what needs to be done to fix this and move forward.I'd love to do what Tampa did, but we don't know who to draft.

BadBobbyJenks

05-19-2010, 09:44 PM

Walker? Hell.
Who decided a career .297 obp hitter should bat 2nd and not be pinch hit for late in the games?

Who put together a team that doesn't have a stinking player on the bench to pinch hit for a .297 obp hitter....or has a .297 career obp hitter on the team in the first place?

Who decided that a major investment in top-flight pitching should be backed up by 4th rate defense?

This is a bad team. Tonight is what the Sox are.

Exactly. It is depressing.

Zakath

05-19-2010, 09:45 PM

Postive: Pierre is getting better every game, PK homers, Danks is good as always.

negative: Nix sucks at defense, offense still sucks

No question about Pierre getting better. Ended April batting .193, he's now up to .253. .333 in May, and that's including an 0-for-6 performance on May 7.

kevingrt

05-19-2010, 09:45 PM

When it's bad it's really bad.

It's Dankerific

05-19-2010, 09:45 PM

Maybe it is time to pull Frank out of the booth and make him the hitting coach.

Or onto the field. He couldnt do much worse.

DirtySox

05-19-2010, 09:47 PM

Bad team is bad. Didn't expect anything different.

Coops4Aces

05-19-2010, 09:47 PM

Just fire Walker already. What will it take?

After hearing Kenny's last talk with the media where he sounded like he wanted to give Walker his pink slip, I predicted that Walker would be fired after our next home loss. If Walker isn't given the boot after that game, where the offense went 0-for-6 with RISP and blew another gem by Danks, then he won't be fired this season.

Frater Perdurabo

05-19-2010, 09:48 PM

I'd love to do what Tampa did, but we don't know who to draft.

I think they know plenty about amateur players. They know enough to draft the guys who will sign for slot money.

Nelfox02

05-19-2010, 09:48 PM

Is it just me, or is the solid start by Jones starting to go by the wayside really quick

have not looked up the numbers, but from watching the games it just have the belief he is not getting much done the last couple weeks

big at bat for him in the 6th, he wasted very little time popping out

Marqhead

05-19-2010, 09:50 PM

I'm gonna keep watching, but I'm probably not going to like it.

Fire Walker.

BadBobbyJenks

05-19-2010, 09:50 PM

Chuck just said this on the postgame show.

The sox have now scored 3 runs or less in 19 games and our record is 1-18!

Frater Perdurabo

05-19-2010, 09:50 PM

Gonzalez reports (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0520-bits-white-sox-angels-los20100519,0,1873756.story)that KW said that all the coaches' jobs are safe.

Rogers speculates (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0520-rogers-white-sox-chicago-20100519,0,5726551.column) that KW might take the fall before Ozzie.

stevied23

05-19-2010, 09:50 PM

Is it just me, or is the solid start by Jones starting to go by the wayside really quick

have not looked up the numbers, but from watching the games it just have the belief he is not getting much done the last couple weeks

big at bat for him in the 6th, he wasted very little time popping out

Yes, especially after the nice bunt by Pierre and the sacrifice by Nix, it sucked to see a quick popup to 2nd base with runners on 2nd and 3rd and 1 out.

ndgt10

05-19-2010, 09:50 PM

Good last atbat by Ramirez. He battled hard and was very close To tying the game up.

Hopefully he builds from that atbat

GoGoCrede

05-19-2010, 09:51 PM

I'm gonna keep watching, but I'm probably not going to like it.

Fire Walker.

This is my mantra.

soxinem1

05-19-2010, 09:52 PM

This. Nix will be the scapegoat for this game, but we had two men on in the 6th with no outs, and we got no runs? Ridiculous.

That has been the bugaboo all year. We just cannot get key hits.

Regarding Nix? Well, I think he showed last year that 3B was NOT a good place to play him. He was always noted for his 2B defense in the minors, and did okay there last year.

The play was boneheaded, as he clearly could have run to third and stepped on the bag, but he never should have been there anyway.

When you play once every three weeks and get put at a position you struggle at as well, I wouldn't expect many positive events or game-winning miracles.

And when you have scored three runs or less in half of your games, as this team has, you will not win in 2010. Maybe in 1910 you could, but not today.

Frater Perdurabo

05-19-2010, 09:53 PM

What do you think about your team's execution?

Frankly I think that's a great idea.

Zakath

05-19-2010, 09:54 PM

Danks was good, no offence, & please let's find someone to play 3rd.

On ESPN's site, you can get fielding stats by position for each team (we hadn't had an error from an OF until tonight BTW). Our fielding at 3rd, before tonight, was .927.

I won't be surprised to see Vizquel playing a lot more 3B...

Frater Perdurabo

05-19-2010, 09:57 PM

On ESPN's site, you can get fielding stats by position for each team (we hadn't had an error from an OF until tonight BTW). Our fielding at 3rd, before tonight, was .927.

I won't be surprised to see Vizquel playing a lot more 3B...

If Teahen was hitting like Robin Ventura, I could live with his bad defense. But since he's hitting like crap, we might as well have Vizquel there just for his glove. With a pitching staff filled with ground ball pitchers, good defense at the hot corner prevents runs.

october23sp

05-19-2010, 09:58 PM

Well that sucked. Poor Danks.

Frater Perdurabo

05-19-2010, 09:58 PM

And when you have scored three runs or less in half of your games, as this team has, you will not win in 2010. Maybe in 1910 you could, but not today.

The 1906 club was the "Hitless Wonders."

The 2010 club is the "Hitless Blunders."

GlassSox

05-19-2010, 09:59 PM

If Teahen was hitting like Robin Ventura, I could live with his bad defense. But since he's hitting like crap, we might as well have Vizquel there just for his glove. With a pitching staff filled with ground ball pitchers, good defense at the hot corner prevents runs.

Good idea, now how do we get Ozzie to do it?

PhillipsBubba

05-19-2010, 09:59 PM

Like I said weeks ago, trade AJ, Jenks, Konerko and Buerhle. This team needs an infusion of new faces and talent.

I wonder how many fans have already stuck a fork in the season. Judging by how light the gamethread was, and how light this one is, I'm guessing quite a few.

Zakath

05-19-2010, 10:02 PM

If Teahen was hitting like Robin Ventura, I could live with his bad defense. But since he's hitting like crap, we might as well have Vizquel there just for his glove. With a pitching staff filled with ground ball pitchers, good defense at the hot corner prevents runs.

He's only .950 lifetime at 3B, and if anything, he's gotten worse since he came here.

He's also 46 points below his career BA, so I'm waiting to see why we felt the need to give up a fairly decent 2B in Chris Getz (and a role player in Fields) to get him...

BadBobbyJenks

05-19-2010, 10:02 PM

Updated the old sig for this one.

CLR01

05-19-2010, 10:03 PM

Gonzalez reports (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0520-bits-white-sox-angels-los20100519,0,1873756.story)that KW said that all the coaches' jobs are safe.

Rogers speculates (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0520-rogers-white-sox-chicago-20100519,0,5726551.column) that KW might take the fall before Ozzie.

If these are true then it is probably JR making that call.

And if KW really believes no changes need to be made he should be fired too.

Scottiehaswheels

05-19-2010, 10:03 PM

So... Any good prospects for the '11 draft? Figure we should be top 5 easily by the time this ****show is done for.

DirtySox

05-19-2010, 10:04 PM

I wonder how many fans have already stuck a fork in the season. Judging by how light the gamethread was, and how light this one is, I'm guessing quite a few.

I have. Not going to stop me from watching/following this team for the rest of the year though.

Nelfox02

05-19-2010, 10:04 PM

I wonder how many fans have already stuck a fork in the season. Judging by how light the gamethread was, and how light this one is, I'm guessing quite a few.

at this point, I am pretty close to calling it quits on 2010 white sox baseball wins like yesterday are fun, but overall the poor performance of this product coupled with a growing sense of dread for what we will get in the 2011 season is making it very difficult for me to follow this group

DirtySox

05-19-2010, 10:05 PM

So... Any good prospects for the '11 draft? Figure we should be top 5 easily by the time this ****show is done for.

Yes. Many. Great draft class.

JB98

05-19-2010, 10:06 PM

I have. Not going to stop me from watching/following this team for the rest of the year though.

I'm in that camp too. I'll still watch, but I believe the Sox are a horrible, horrible team.

Scottiehaswheels

05-19-2010, 10:07 PM

Yes. Many. Great draft class.Awesome, can't wait to be pissed off in 5 years because we pass on the lot of em for "signability" reasons. ****!

Slappy

05-19-2010, 10:09 PM

Really can't bear to watch anymore. It's just not fun. It's sad that I only bothered to watch the last inning, considering how optimistic I was in ST and before.

It's just a bad, boring, predictable team.

What happened to Alexei? The Cuban Missile who was a grand slam machine a couple years ago...

JB98

05-19-2010, 10:09 PM

Really can't bear to watch anymore. It's just not fun. It's sad that I only bothered to watch the last inning, considering how optimistic I was in ST and before.

It's just a bad, boring, predictable team.

What happened to Alexei? The Cuban Missile who was a grand slam machine a couple years ago...

Greg Walker happens. He ruins young hitters.

LoveYourSuit

05-19-2010, 10:10 PM

Sadly, there is not one single guy down in the farm that excites me about the future. Not one.

And the few young ones up here now, SUCK!

Also, I wonder how many still want to hand A Jones a long term deal? He sucks too.

ChiSoxGirl

05-19-2010, 10:12 PM

I have. Not going to stop me from watching/following this team for the rest of the year though.

I'm in that camp too. I'll still watch, but I believe the Sox are a horrible, horrible team.

Make that three of us. I'm with you guys!

PalehosePlanet

05-19-2010, 10:19 PM

Really? Ozzieball again?

Did Ozzieball not drive all those freaking runs in? :angry:

Was Ozzieball swinging for the fences the last 2 innings?

Walker has got to go. The sooner the better.

Ozzieball is bunting in the 6th inning of a game to advance the runners and giving up an out. I absolutely hate bunting the runners over in that situation. Tied game bottom 8th, or 9th, maybe. In the 6th? NEVER EVER do you give up an out in a 2-1 game! Especially when you have a hitter up with 3 career HR's in 6 AB's against him. But of course, Ozzie goes "with his gut" and helps kill a possible rally.

I'm convinced if he were fired we'd win 10 of 11 immediately.

Marqhead

05-19-2010, 10:19 PM

Also, I wonder how many still want to hand A Jones a long term deal? He sucks too.

His hot start was something I was wary of. Any positive contribution he brings is great, but I don't want it to bring on a knee jerk reaction of an extension. I don't think that's going to happen though.

tsoxman

05-19-2010, 10:22 PM

Gonzalez reports (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0520-bits-white-sox-angels-los20100519,0,1873756.story)that KW said that all the coaches' jobs are safe.

Rogers speculates (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/ct-spt-0520-rogers-white-sox-chicago-20100519,0,5726551.column) that KW might take the fall before Ozzie.
The Rogers article was spot on. The Chairman will put up with losing but will not tolerate poor financial decisions.

Lip Man 1

05-19-2010, 10:23 PM

Typical Sox performance...no offense, lousy defense.

Lip

Baron

05-19-2010, 10:30 PM

Well the only interesting part of that article was the one line about Tyler Flowers

Ken says he has no questions about his defense....guess thats a good sign

SoxxoS

05-19-2010, 10:30 PM

Sorry to break it to some - But Andrew Jones OPS wasnt going to be 1100 all season - He is going to come down, hard. The same way Juan Pierre wasn't going to hit .200 the whole season.

Those things will even themselves out - You can have 2 guys struggling and 2 guys killing it - But what about the other 5 in the lineup? Thats the problem. Those guys may not be REALLY struggling, but they aren't hitting like their career averages either. Add in some HORRIBLE situational hitting and this is what you have.

Here is what this team will do, IMO. Finish like 80-84 - But you will see them REALLY start hitting the second half (when the pressure is off, coincidentally) giving FALSE BS HOPE for the next season. And round and round we go....weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

guillensdisciple

05-19-2010, 10:35 PM

I hate this team so ****ing much, but I have hope.

sigh.

Lip Man 1

05-19-2010, 10:36 PM

So Kenny basically said "all coaches jobs are safe..." What he didn't say or couldn't say was, "because I can't fire most of the **** I brought in..."

Lip

DirtySox

05-19-2010, 10:36 PM

Has no-one mentioned the closed door meeting before tonight's game? KW made an appearance and gave a vote of confidence to all the players and coaches.

Scottiehaswheels

05-19-2010, 10:40 PM

Has no-one mentioned the closed door meeting before tonight's game? KW made an appearance and gave a vote of confidence to all the players and coaches.:hawk

I LOVE votes of confidence.

This **** is going to be blown up by the end of the month. :bandance:

Tragg

05-19-2010, 10:43 PM

Ozzieball is bunting in the 6th inning of a game to advance the runners and giving up an out. .
Yep
That's what made this game complete:
Bad hitting
Bad defense
Clown managing

Ozzie was playing for a sacrifice fly; or maybe for 2 runs.
This when the Sox are, what 1-18 when scoring 3 runs or less?

Guillen's philosophy of offense has consistently failed, but he keeps pursuing it. And even worse, Ken William keeps feeding Guillen's nonsense.

thomas35forever

05-19-2010, 10:44 PM

:hawk

I LOVE votes of confidence.

This **** is going to blown up by the end of the month. :bandance:
Depends on who would go. If the main fan favorites are traded, attendance and TV ratings will suffer drastically. You can only do so much with so much season to go without doing too much damage to the organization as a whole.

Scottiehaswheels

05-19-2010, 10:50 PM

Depends on who would go. If the main fan favorites are traded, attendance and TV ratings will suffer drastically. You can only do so much with so much season to go without doing too much damage to the organization as a whole.Attendance/TV ratings already blow, who gives a **** anymore? Bring up some more of the kids and see how quick Walker can ruin them too.

Brian26

05-19-2010, 11:02 PM

And a horrible mention to Jason Nix. And to Mark Teahen, for sucking so much that Ozzie put Nix at third base.

Makes you appreciate Crede and Uribe even more than ever. The leftside of the infield used to be so solid.

JB98

05-19-2010, 11:04 PM

Makes you appreciate Crede and Uribe even more than ever. The leftside of the infield used to be so solid.

The left side of the Sox infield is gun-in-your-mouth bad. I cringe when people talk about Ramirez and his "Gold Glove potential." Whatever. BS.

And Teahen is a butcher.

palehozenychicty

05-19-2010, 11:07 PM

The left side of the Sox infield is gun-in-your-mouth bad. I cringe when people talk about Ramirez and his "Gold Glove potential." Whatever. BS.

And Teahen is a butcher.

This is one part of the team that needs to be fixed pronto. It's hard to win games when your SS and 3B can't field or hit. The pitching will be a lot better when we get rid of these guys.

thomas35forever

05-19-2010, 11:09 PM

Attendance/TV ratings already blow, who gives a **** anymore? Bring up some more of the kids and see how quick Walker can ruin them too.
Are you saying you don't want money for top-notch FAs? Wait, don't tell me. It wouldn't make a difference as that FA would be locked up for longer than he's worth. Therefore, it's best for us to watch the young guys fail as opposed to veterans. Right?

Scottiehaswheels

05-19-2010, 11:12 PM

Are you saying you don't want money for top-notch FAs? Wait, don't tell me. It wouldn't make a difference as that FA would be locked up for longer than he's worth. Therefore, it's best for us to watch the young guys fail as opposed to veterans. Right?Are you kidding me? Who was the last top notch FA we signed? The only thing the extra money would buy us would be 3-4 coming off injury/coming off a down year player A,B,C,D.

thomas35forever

05-19-2010, 11:13 PM

Are you kidding me? Who was the last top notch FA we signed? The only thing the extra money would buy us would be 3-4 coming off injury/coming off a down year player A,B,C,D.
Can you tell me what you want for the future? Better question, do you see a bright one at all?

DirtySox

05-19-2010, 11:14 PM

Are you saying you don't want money for top-notch FAs? Wait, don't tell me. It wouldn't make a difference as that FA would be locked up for longer than he's worth. Therefore, it's best for us to watch the young guys fail as opposed to veterans. Right?

When do we sign top notch free agents?

Scottiehaswheels

05-19-2010, 11:14 PM

Can you tell me what you want for the future? Better question, do you see a bright one at all?Not with this crew, we're screwed with the contracts we have until at least 2013.

Lip Man 1

05-19-2010, 11:18 PM

Thomas:

Unless the entire organization philosophy from trying to "rebuild while contending" changes, no I don't.

You can't do it by trying to play it both ways.

Rebuild the farm and take losing +90 games for three years or so or boost the payroll to the point you can get good players right now, not hoping that so many guys can rebound / come back / shake off injuries etc. or whos best years were five years ago.

Lip

JermaineDye05

05-19-2010, 11:19 PM

Ugh, I said before the game that I wasn't comfortable with Nix at third because he had had far too many errorless games and sure enough he drops two on us tonight. Offense didn't help either.

The W-L-W-L-L-W-L trend is still alive and well it seems. Something has to change. I'd be up for all the players shaving their heads right about now. Sure it doesn't make sense at all but clearly the whole hair thing isn't working right now for this team.

captain54

05-19-2010, 11:33 PM

thanks for losing on my son's birthday.....

when your 3 year 3rd baseman is sitting on the bench while his fill in commits a fatal error.....very bad.....

DumpJerry

05-19-2010, 11:42 PM

Just got home from the game. Did not have to read this whole thread to know what a crap team we've been.

If I don't hear the name "Jayson Nix" ever again, it is not soon enough.

I am convinced they have some really, really good food in the Clubhouse. That explains why AJ and Jones like swinging at the first pitch.....they want to get back to the food that much more quickly.

Beckham changed his walk-up song (I have no idea what his new song is, something very electric) and he gave the ball a ride his first time up, walked his second time up and was, well, 2010 Gordon Beckham after that.

johnnyg83

05-19-2010, 11:52 PM

WHat is the success story that Walker gets to skate on? Who did he fix? Dye? Konerko?

or else...they subscribe to Ranger's theory..."Go ahead and fire Walker, but its not gonna make any difference..and...it could be worse"

the only way it could be worse is if Bill Veeck rose from his grave and decided to put midgets back on the field to take AB's...but hey, at
least they'd have a smaller strike zone.

JB98

05-20-2010, 12:04 AM

It looks like no Pick to Click has been named tonight, but I still have authored this TBGR (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=4&id=3953)on this evening's crapfest.

VMSNS

05-20-2010, 12:19 AM

**** this team. Seriously.

Has anyone seen Danks' line for this game. 7.2 IP, 3 runs on 3 hits (two of those runs coming on a 2-run homer).

If I was Johnny, I'd be absolute livid with this team tonight. He pitched a GEM and our hitters did what they always do....nothing but **** in their pants. Trade Jones right now before his value declines. Get new faces on this team.

Oh...and Greg Walker needs to get the hell out of this organization. RIGHT. NOW. Every day that he still has a job is another day where I lose more and more faith with this organization. Kenny says they are always contending for a championship, but I don't believe it anymore. If they truly were contending, then they would hold those responsible for this ****ing mess accountable for what they've done, and throw these sacks of **** out the door.

Absolutely pitiful, this team, this organization.

thomas35forever

05-20-2010, 12:22 AM

Thomas:

Unless the entire organization philosophy from trying to "rebuild while contending" changes, no I don't.

You can't do it by trying to play it both ways.

Rebuild the farm and take losing +90 games for three years or so or boost the payroll to the point you can get good players right now, not hoping that so many guys can rebound / come back / shake off injuries etc. or whos best years were five years ago.

ST money isnt coming back next year because they let AJ or Jenks finish out the year, etc.

Its about winning.

WhiteSox5187

05-20-2010, 01:59 AM

What was the excuse given by the Walker apologists tonight (specifically on the post game show)?

masloan

05-20-2010, 06:19 AM

I think Walker's apologists are clinging on to Alex Rios right now.

I do not think anyone really contends that Walker is a great hitting coach. I think some just put more of the blame on the players.

lpneck

05-20-2010, 07:21 AM

Here is what this team will do, IMO. Finish like 80-84...

Lord, please don't make me watch this bull**** 2 extra times this season...

October26

05-20-2010, 07:38 AM

It breaks my heart every time I see John Danks (or any of the Sox starters) pitch as well as he did last night and get the loss. Ugh. I went to bed with a headache and woke up with a headache. I love my White sox but they are killing me again this season ...

asindc

05-20-2010, 07:55 AM

The way I see it, there were two critical moments in this game. First, when Jones foolishly swung at the first pitch with runners at 2nd and 3rd and one out, resulting in a popup and thereby extending this group of professionals' futility in producing a run with a productive out. Second, Nix's comedy of errors (official and unofficial) on one play: Bobbled a routine hop, threw wildly to 2nd, threw to the wrong base (should have gone to 1st), and probably should not have thrown at all, since it looked like he still had a play at 3rd even after the bobble. The only way he could have botched that play even more is to have thrown it into the RF corner, allowing all the runners on base to score. In both cases, these professionals choked, plain and simple.:angry:

doublem23

05-20-2010, 07:56 AM

I do not think anyone really contends that Walker is a great hitting coach. I think some just put more of the blame on the players.

And nobody believes this would be a team full of All-Stars if not for Walker, but you can't fire 13 players. The hitting coach, however, you can fire. I've asked this a couple times and never even gotten a response, is it possible the Sox could get even worse offensively if they canned Walker? I really can't see how they could. Time is running out. As of this morning, BP only gives us about a 9% chance to make the postseason (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ps_odds.php) (which, I'm amazed is that high). This season is going to be in the crapper sooner than later.

WhiteSox1989

05-20-2010, 08:18 AM

I didn't get a chance to watch the game, but sounds like I missed a good one. haha

Get 'em tonight?

beasly213

05-20-2010, 08:31 AM

Went to the game last night. Ramierez looked like had had no clue at the plate in the 9th. Not a clue. And Rios..ugh I know he's been one of the few bright spots but after a guy walks on 4 straight pitches he goes up there hacking at the first two pitches?!
Danks should have 5 or 6 wins right now. I'll still watch the team but unless something major happens or they start playing better this team won't get a dime of my money.

Hegewisch

05-20-2010, 09:05 AM

I was at the game. It was a decent game that moved at a pretty rapid clip. Good pitching. The offense was "spotty." This was a game that the Sox could have won. I am not pleased. :(:

The only bright spot was it was a beautiful evening for baseball and we met some cool people at our tailgate. Who later met us up on Fan Deck.:gulp:

captain54

05-20-2010, 10:29 AM

. The hitting coach, however, you can fire. I've asked this a couple times and never even gotten a response, is it possible the Sox could get even worse offensively if they canned Walker? I really can't see how they could. amazed is that high). .

the amazing thing about the Walker aplogists is that is would seem they are of the belief that no team ever in the history of baseball improved with a hitting coach change.

dickallen15

05-20-2010, 10:44 AM

the amazing thing about the Walker aplogists is that is would seem they are of the belief that no team ever in the history of baseball improved with a hitting coach change.
No, the amazing thing is the bashers who think some hitting coach is going to make everyone a great hitter. The problem is with the talent.

soltrain21

05-20-2010, 10:52 AM

No, the amazing thing is the bashers who think some hitting coach is going to make everyone a great hitter. The problem is with the talent.

But what they are doing right now is failing. Would it hurt to get a different set of eyes or opinion in there? Best case - they start to hit. Worst case - they continue to do EXACTLY what they are doing.

Frater Perdurabo

05-20-2010, 10:58 AM

No, the amazing thing is the bashers who think some hitting coach is going to make everyone a great hitter. The problem is with the talent.

No hitting coach will make them "great."

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a hitting coach to help them suck less and get back to their career averages.

SI1020

05-20-2010, 11:11 AM

No, the amazing thing is the bashers who think some hitting coach is going to make everyone a great hitter. The problem is with the talent. Talent comes and talent goes. The results are pretty much the same year after year. How dare we suggest any kind of change in this floundering organization?

jabrch

05-20-2010, 11:13 AM

Lord, please don't make me watch this bull**** 2 extra times this season...

Nobody is making you watch anything. Turn off the TV, stay home, find another hobby...whatever you want.

Domeshot17

05-20-2010, 11:20 AM

The truth is, this team needs a **** ton of work. We need probably 2 major upgrades in the lineup as well as one of Quentin or Beckham bouncing back, a new hitting coach and a new manager to get the hell out of the way and stop trying to play NL ball in the AL. All of that and we are STILL probably too far back already to even dream of the playoffs this year.

Have to love seasons that are over before May ends.

dickallen15

05-20-2010, 11:36 AM

No hitting coach will make them "great."

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a hitting coach to help them suck less and get back to their career averages.

I think the White Sox have a problem recognizing offensive talent. This past winter, KW really wanted Nick Johnson, check his numbers and he's hurt, and also Matsui, look at what he's putting up after a hot start. Those performances if they were White Sox would be blamed on Walker.

RCWHITESOX

05-20-2010, 11:46 AM

On ESPN's site, you can get fielding stats by position for each team (we hadn't had an error from an OF until tonight BTW). Our fielding at 3rd, before tonight, was .927.

I won't be surprised to see Vizquel playing a lot more 3B...

I wish they would go after M Lowell; but if they don't I would rather have Vizquel at third because he can actually play the postion. AS for hitting Nix and Teahan can't hit either. It seems everything has gone wrong since they moved Beckham to 2B and acquired Teahan.

WhiteSox5187

05-20-2010, 12:51 PM

Talent comes and talent goes. The results are pretty much the same year after year. How dare we suggest any kind of change in this floundering organization?

yea, if the problem is with the talent then Kenny should go because this has been a consistent trend for three years now.

captain54

05-20-2010, 12:54 PM

No, the amazing thing is the bashers who think some hitting coach is going to make everyone a great hitter. The problem is with the talent.

wow....I'd settle for Walker helping to make this team average .. offensively speaking

Ozzie and Kw..."Greg, ***? what's up with some of these hitters?

Walk..."Hey man, I told them what to do and they ignored me. Now leave me alone, I was in the middle of my burrito and then I'm gonna take a nap"

masloan

05-20-2010, 03:24 PM

And nobody believes this would be a team full of All-Stars if not for Walker, but you can't fire 13 players. The hitting coach, however, you can fire. I've asked this a couple times and never even gotten a response, is it possible the Sox could get even worse offensively if they canned Walker? I really can't see how they could. Time is running out. As of this morning, BP only gives us about a 9% chance to make the postseason (http://www.baseballprospectus.com/statistics/ps_odds.php) (which, I'm amazed is that high). This season is going to be in the crapper sooner than later.

See I think there is some common ground for us then. I agree that firing Walker would not make the Sox worse. I also agree that firing Walker MIGHT actually help the Sox. However, I do not believe they are struggling offensively due to Walker.

I cannot blame the struggles of the veterans on Walker. By the end of the year, AJ will be ok. Pierre will be ok. Konerko and Rios will do what they do. I think Teahen is on KW.

Now Beckham and Quentin are a totally different story. Maybe Walker is not doing a good job with them. Maybe he is and they are just struggling. Maybe Quentin really is a low average power hitter who will strike out a lot. Maybe Beckham is just struggling adjusting to the pitcher's adjustments. But like I said, Beckham has really only had 1 good month in the majors. Quentin has really only had 1 good season. Maybe the Sox, and the fans had too high of expectations for them coming in to this year.