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Re: Top 10 One Piece characters "ALIVE"

Originally Posted by rikerslade

I don't see Teach or Kuzan being stronger than Shanks. Borsalino, well just neck and neck.

I don't see that happening as well but like I said, based on what we've seen so far. It wouldn't be fair to assume something based on what we think or based on little of what we've seen. I'm sure he's stronger than Kuzan and Teach but until it's fully shown, it's better to not make any assumption.

Re: Top 10 One Piece characters "ALIVE"

• Magu Magu No Mi is without a doubt one of the strongest Devil Fruit to have ever exist.
• Probably mastering between 2-3 forms of Haki.
• Having access to Rokushiki.

2. Borsalino.

• Pika Pika No Mi is also without a doubt one of the strongest Devil Fruit to have ever exist.
• Probably mastering between 2-3 forms of Haki.
• Having access to Rokushiki.
• Swordsmanship.

3. Kuzan.

• Hie Hie No Mi, again, is also without a doubt one of the strongest Devil Fruit to have ever exist.
• Probably mastering between 2-3 forms of Haki.
• Having access to Rokushiki.

4. Marshall D. Teach.

• Yami Yami No Mi, not the strongest due to it's user still being vulnerable to physical attack but also, physical attacks will hit him harder thus causing more damage to it's user than what he/she should've received. It's not the strongest Devil Fruit but it's the most unique Devil Fruit. It's unique due to it's capability to control gravity and sucking anything into it's nothingness. It also answers why Blackbeard managed to use Whitebeard's Gura Gura No Mi because the Devil Fruit are pulled into it's nothingness, cancelling it from the original user's body though it doesn't answers why Blackbeard aren't affected by "the curse" but the possible explanation for it is the Devil Fruit aren't in his body but instead in Yami Yami No Mi's nothingness.
• Gura Gura No Mi, the strongest Devil Fruit in paramecia class and easily equal or stronger than some of Logia's fruits.
• It's possible for him to have a decent amount of fighting ability due to him injuring Shanks before he consumed Yami Yami No Mi.
• Possibly mastering Haki during the time-skip since it's becoming mainstream among pirates and marines ever since the time-skip.

5. Shanks.

• Seem to have a decent or great amount of mastering in swordsmanship.
• Mastering all three forms of Haki.

6. Dracule Mihawk.

• Greatest swordsman in the world.
• Possibly between 2-3 forms of Haki.

7. Monkey D. Dragon.

• It's possible for him to be stronger or equal to Garp in strength due to the fact that strength seems to run through the Monkey family.
• It's possible for him to master all three forms of Haki.
• [Theory] If he were once a former marine then that would give him full access to Rokushiki therefore there's a chance he might have mastered it.
• Devil Fruit. [unknown but probably one of the strongest Devil Fruit to have ever existed]

8. Monkey D. Garp.

• Amazing amount of strength.
• Possibly mastering all three forms of Haki.
• Great in combat.
• Access to Rokushiki.

• Nikyu Nikyu No Mi, a unique Paramecia class Devil Fruit capable of repelling attacks and pain/injury.
• Cyborg.
• Having one of Pika Pika No Mi attack in his right hand.

Put in note that the list is put that way because there hasn't been much shown yet to prove who's stronger than who. It's possible for Monkey D. Dragon and Shanks to being the strongest in all of them but due to them both having lack of screen-time and having their abilities put in shadows, they aren't number one based on what One Piece has shown so far.

You've seen them in a battle? You've seen Kaido's true strength?
Just because he's one of the Yonkou, doesn't suddenly make him stronger than Bartholomew Kuma.
Shichibukai chose to become Shichibukai due to their own reasons, there is a huge possibility that they are equal or stronger than one of the current Yonkou. Bartholomew Kuma himself is a former revolutionist.

Unless it's proven or you've actually seen Kaido's true strength, no need to make it seem as if it's a fact that Kaido's stronger than Kuma.

Garp's the strongest marine "ever"?
You're implying that there aren't any other marines stronger than him?

Just because someone has the same class of Devil Fruit as another person, does not simply make their fruit's strength the same. Ace and Sakazuki shares the same class of Devil Fruit but magma > fire therefore having the same class of Devil Fruit doesn't guarantee the same strength.

Kuma doesn't belong in top 10. He's not even the 4th strongest shichibukai.

Re: Top 10 One Piece characters "ALIVE"

Originally Posted by ChillySnow

Kuma doesn't belong in top 10. He's not even the 4th strongest shichibukai.

He is, based on what we've seen so far. I doubt anyone else deserve to be there other than him, based on what we've seen so far.
But, you did say he's not the strongest of the Shichibukai, then who's the other four stronger than him?

Re: Top 10 One Piece characters "ALIVE"

Originally Posted by Eustass

He is, based on what we've seen so far. I doubt anyone else deserve to be there other than him, based on what we've seen so far.
But, you did say he's not the strongest of the Shichibukai, then who's the other four stronger than him?

Theres still luffy, magellan, Law, kid(if equal to luffy and kid), Zoro, Marco, Jozu, Vista, yonko first mate, Maybe sanji, Maybe vergo, Hancock, Doffy, Smoker, high VAs, and more I couldn't think off of my head right now.

Based on feats alone: Luffy, Magellan, Maybe Zoro but he hasn't shown much, Law, Marco, Jozu, Smoker, vista, Maybe sanji, Doffy. These are all I can think off of my head right now.

Hancock(based on hype and she made Momonga stab himself), Law, Doffy, Mihawk

you finish shittin and youflushed the toilet and wait asecond... one chunk come back.What does that chunk want?

Re: Top 10 One Piece characters "ALIVE"

Originally Posted by Eustass

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You've seen them in a battle? You've seen Kaido's true strength?
Just because he's one of the Yonkou, doesn't suddenly make him stronger than Bartholomew Kuma.
Shichibukai chose to become Shichibukai due to their own reasons, there is a huge possibility that they are equal or stronger than one of the current Yonkou. Bartholomew Kuma himself is a former revolutionist.

Unless it's proven or you've actually seen Kaido's true strength, no need to make it seem as if it's a fact that Kaido's stronger than Kuma.

Garp's the strongest marine "ever"?
You're implying that there aren't any other marines stronger than him?

Just because someone has the same class of Devil Fruit as another person, does not simply make their fruit's strength the same. Ace and Sakazuki shares the same class of Devil Fruit but magma > fire therefore having the same class of Devil Fruit doesn't guarantee the same strength.

Originally Posted by Eustass

He is, based on what we've seen so far. I doubt anyone else deserve to be there other than him, based on what we've seen so far.But, you did say he's not the strongest of the Shichibukai, then who's the other four stronger than him?

just bcuz blackbeard is now a 'new' yonko doesnt mean hes stronger than rayleigh or shanks or whatever. and based on what we've seen so far he's scared of akainu and shanks. based on what weve seen so far my top 11 rayleigh would shit on blackbeard anyday, based on what weve seen so far.

and to think kuma who has recently lost himself and just a ****in robot is better than kaido is ridiculous. kaido who is one of the original yonko?! wow. and blackbeard just recently become one. and the only reason is bcuz the govt lost aokiji and they needed replacement.

based on what weve seen so far blackbeard and akainu are afraid of shanks. while not to whitebeard. and you still put akainu at no 1 spot and shanks at 5? hoo shit. garp even said hed kill akainu. based on what weve seen so far.

that 'based on what wev seen so far' aint all that.

and it aint about bcuz akainu has magma and it's > fire... NOO!!!.. it's simply bcuz akainu is just too strong for ace.
his haki is way better. ever wondered why he survived wb's assault...
doesnt matter if it;s aokiji or kizaru who fought ace, theyd still put a hole in ace's stomach bcuz of their haki not their df.

Re: Top 10 One Piece characters "ALIVE"

for me:
1.dragon
2.shanks
3.kaido
4.akainu
5.blackbeard
6.big mam
7.kizaru or rayleigh
8.kizaru or rayleigh
9.sengoku
10.aokiji
honorable mentions:donflamingo,mihawk,ben beckmann,garp,momonga,onigumo,magellan,eneru we cannot tell what level luffy is at in comparison to that lot so i cant really say any supernova

you finish shittin and youflushed the toilet and wait asecond... one chunk come back.What does that chunk want?

Re: Top 10 One Piece characters "ALIVE"

Originally Posted by rinnemaki

for me:
1.dragon
2.shanks
3.kaido
4.akainu
5.blackbeard
6.big mam
7.kizaru or rayleigh
8.kizaru or rayleigh
9.sengoku
10.aokiji
honorable mentions:donflamingo,mihawk,ben beckmann,garp,momonga,onigumo,magellan,eneru we cannot tell what level luffy is at in comparison to that lot so i cant really say any supernova

Re: Top 10 One Piece characters "ALIVE"

Theres still luffy, magellan, Law, kid(if equal to luffy and kid), Zoro, Marco, Jozu, Vista, yonko first mate, Maybe sanji, Maybe vergo, Hancock, Doffy, Smoker, high VAs, and more I couldn't think off of my head right now.

Based on feats alone: Luffy, Magellan, Maybe Zoro but he hasn't shown much, Law, Marco, Jozu, Smoker, vista, Maybe sanji, Doffy. These are all I can think off of my head right now.

Hancock(based on hype and she made Momonga stab himself), Law, Doffy, Mihawk

Monkey D. Luffy.

• Luffy's too early to be considered one of the top ten. He's shown great mastery over all three haki's and his second gear as well as third gear has improve to the point where it won't affect his health nor life-span due to him pumping blood in only one particular part of his body instead of his whole body before the time-skip but I still don't see him defeating any of them yet. Let's not forget the only reason he managed to defeat Garp was becaue Garp let him land a punch on him, Garp could have easily avoided the punch.

Magellan.

• Magellan has a unique and powerful Paramecia class Devil Fruit that can easily equal some of Logia's fruit but I can see all the top ten character defeating him. I believe even Luffy can defeat him after the time-skip due to the fact that poison has no affect on him anymore ever since his body's immune system has been boosts to counter any poisons, especially Doku Doku No Mi's poisons.

Jozu.

• Jozu is nowhere near the level of any of the top ten. He's able to give Kuzan a great fight and the only reason Kuzan defeat him was because his attention was toward Marco when Borsalino struck him with one of the attack's from his Pika Pika No Mi and I believe he could be in the top ten but ever since his arm was cut off [If I remember correctly] then it would easily have weakened him in some way. Whilst Kuzan trained to become stronger during the time-skip [Obviously], it's possible for Jozu to trained himself in fighting with only one armed but that would still make him less powerful than he was. Put in note that he is not Shanks where's he's capable of swordsmanship but instead fight using both of his arm. It's sad because he could have become one of the most powerful characters of the series.

Roronoa Zoro.

• Without a doubt, one of the strongest character in One Piece after the time-skip but it seems that no-one has been able to give him a good fight where we could see him at his full power so it's too early to make any assumption that he's capable of defeating any of the top-ten.

Trafalgar Law.

• Trafalgar Law is also one of the strongest character in One Piece but if he were to meet someone who could counter his ability such as anyone with amazing speed and any Logia's then he could easily be defeated since Logia won't be harmed by his Ope Ope No Mi even though he has haki since there hasn't been shown whether it's possible for someone of Paramecia's class to haki-coat their Devil Fruit abilities related to such abilities such as Ope Ope No Mi and Scrathmen Apoo's unnamed Devil Fruit ability where he's capable of cutting through his enemies through music.

Smoker.

Let's examine Smoker's ability first.

• Moku Moku No Mi which enable him to manipulate, create and transform into smokes. Currently, I don't see much threat coming from this Devil Fruit.

Moku Moku No Mi's main/seen attack's.

• White Out in which Smoker shoots normal smoke from his arms and uses them to devour his opponent, then makes the smoke compact to trap them inside it.

• White Blow in which Smoker shoots thick smokes from his arms to blast his opponent hard.

• White Snake in which Smoker launches a long snake of thick snow to make them track/follow his opponents until it grabs them.

• White Spark in which Smoker transform his some of his body or his whole body into smokes and charges towards his opponents.

• White Vine in which Smoker transform into a spiraling of smokes to trap his enemies.

• White Launcher in which Smoker transforms himself into smokes and launches himself towards his opponents.

Conclusion : Moku Moku No Mi currently shows no threat towards time-skip Luffy nor even any of the top ten characters. Anyone with haki can defeat him and due to him transforming into smoke whenever he uses White Launches, it made it easier for his opponents to land a punch or kick toward him.

Haki.

•Kenbunshoku Haki.

• It's possible for him to have mastered this form of haki but during the fight with Trafalgar Law, he didn't show any sign that he have it but it's still possible for him to have it but I, or maybe most of us or all of us haven't realize it yet or it just hasn't been stated or shown yet since it's been stated that all of the Vice Admirals must at least mastered one form of haki's.

•Busoshoku Haki.

• It's obvious that he's capable of using this type of haki since after the time-skip, it seems that almost all the top pirates capable of matching up with any of the Logia's user and I think I remember once where Luffy said "ouch" when being struck by Smoker and since Luffy is made of rubber then it's possible that it was the effect of Busoshoku.

Rokushiki.

• It's been told that every top ranking marines has access to Rokushiki so it's possible for him to mastered some forms of it before or after the time-skip. Currently, it hasn't been shown whether he mastered it or not in his fight against Vergo [put in note that he purposely chose to fight using his Moku Moku No Mi in order to steal Law's heart from Vergo] and Trafalgar Law.

Now that I've explained his abilities, I can say that he isn't capable of defeating any of the top ten yet but I'm sure somewhere in the future, he will definitely become one of the top ten.

Vista.

• Vista is a great swordsmen, it's been shown that he's capable equally fighting Dracule Mihawk but the fight was cut short by the incident where Squard stabbed Whitebeard therefore assumption on him being an equal to Dracule Mihawk should be analyze or shouldn't exist unless it was a fight where there are no incidents to have any sort of effects towards the fight.

Yonkō's first mate which I assume is Ben Beckman[?]

• It wouldn't be fair to assume his strength's based on Borsalino's reaction toward him when he pointed flintlock rifle which I assume he uses a haki-coated bullets or the fight between him and Higuma's mountain bandit's crew since it's been shown that Borsalino continued with his attacks on Heart Pirates submarine and Higuma's mountain bandit's crew weren't much of an opponent for him. Unless his true abilities are shown, we shouldn't hype him too much but I do believe that he is a powerful person, capable of being equal to any of the three admirals before the time-skip.

Sanji.

• Honestly, I don't see him defeating any of the top ten, not in his current strength. He will in the future but not just yet. I'm sure he's improve a lot and it wouldn't be fair to assume his current strength based on his fight against Vergo where he managed to defeat Vergo but only because Vergo shown no interest in fighting Sanji and it seems that his kicks doesn't seem to harm or injure Vergo that much.

Any of the Vice-Admirals.

• I don't see much of them yet except from Momonga, StrawberryDalmatian, Vergo and Smoker. Correct me if there are other Vice-Admirals that has been shown fighting any opponents, excluding John Giant where he got his ass handed to him by Whitebeard and Tsuru due to her being the strategist of the marines. Based on Oda's logic and plot, he would usually use any of the Vice-Admirals or characters that he categorize as weak during the series and hide powerful characters for the future of the series such as choosing the next to Admirals to replace both Kuzan and Sakazuki.

Other shown Vice-Admirals

•Comil is shown both during Portgas D. Ace's mini story and in the Battle Of Marineford. He's one of my favorite Vice-Admirals due to him believing in "Moral Justice" but his strength hasn't been shown at all. It's obvious that he's capable of using some form of haki and seems to be a capable swordsman but that's his only abilities that we've known so far so it's hard to make any assumptions or theories.

•Oniguma and Doberman both seem to be a believer of "Absolute Justice" which made both of them one of the prime candidates on known Vice-Admirals to become an Admiral but their strength is also currently unknown.

Giant Squad Vice-Admirals

• Both Lacroix and Ronse's abilities aren't shown much. Other giant Vice-Admirals are shown to help Lacroix get on his feet implying that he got his ass handed to him or simply tired from the battles whilst Ronse got his ass handed to him by Whitebeard's Vista and Whitebeard himself.

Vice-Admirals toy'd by Donquixote Doflamingo.

• Mozambia and Stainless abilities are unknown but they are easily trapped by Doflamingo's possible puppet-like Devil Fruit whilst Cancer, another Vice-Admiral who abilities are unknown, couldn't even do anything to stop them from trying to kill each other.

Other shown Vice-Admirals.

• Bastille abilities are unknown and he doesn't seem to be fighting nor received much screen-time during the war.

Filler Vice-Admirals.

• Jonathan seem to be a future candidate for Admirals position even though he's a filler character and based on Oda's way to creation his stories, it's possible for Jonathan to be in the future of the show since Oda wouldn't create a character and put more canon details in them which in his case, being a Sakazuki's protege. The same goes with a character that goes by the name of Bogart [Bogart possibly isn't his real name but added/created by fan in order identify him for future reference] is also a possible Admirals candidate due to him being one of the most mysterious character in the series and since Oda based the three admirals creation based on actors and since Bogart has the similar appearance to Humphrey Bogart, it's possible for him to be the future Admirals, added with mysteries surrounding his creation and appearance as well as his strength therefore it's possible for him to be a Vice-Admiral but currently, it's just a theory.

Boa Hancock.

• It's obvious that she's one of the powerful character as well as the most powerful female pirate of the series shown so far excluding Big Mam due to her abilities being unknown but it's highly unlikely for other characters in the top ten to fall for her Mero Mero No Mi's ability. It's also been shown that her physical attacks are capable of turning anything she touches into rocks similar to Greek Mythology's Medusa abilities whereas any person who look at her face will turned to rock. Her abilities are one of the unique and if-used-properly-with-no-plot-related-would-be-one-of-the-strongest Devil Fruit but currently, it's hard to make any theories nor assumptions on her abilities.

Donquixote Doflamingo.

• Considered to be one of the most powerful characters in the entire series based on hype and also because he is the only Shichibukai shown before time-skip that the Strawhats' haven't encounter. He's capable of slicing through anything by using his finger whilst controlling others like puppet using his fingers as if there's a string attached to the person he's using it on. His Devil Fruit is not only unnamed by also confusing and there has been many theories on whether those are even Devil Fruit or an advance version of Haoshoku Haki but like I said before, unless a character strength is known, it's better to not make any assumption because based on hype alone, he could easily be top five or even top two.

You've shown a couple of great characters possible to be in the top ten but most of them strengths are either unknown or their full capabilities are not fully shown. I'm sorry if there are any typos because I'm getting sleepy and correct me if I made a mistake on my explanation.

Originally Posted by Red Swag

just bcuz blackbeard is now a 'new' yonko doesnt mean hes stronger than rayleigh or shanks or whatever. and based on what we've seen so far he's scared of akainu and shanks. based on what weve seen so far my top 11 rayleigh would shit on blackbeard anyday, based on what weve seen so far.

He is in the list not because he's the new Yonkō but because he has two of the most powerful abilities in the series.

• Yami Yami No Mi is a darkness fruit. He's capable of stealing others Devil Fruit abilities by pulling them into the fruit's nothingness thus leaving him harmless since the abilities are not in him but in the fruit's nothingness. It's possible for him to have steal many more powerful Devil Fruit abilities during the time-skip. Using the "based on what we've seen" logic on something such as Yami Yami No Mi is senseless. He's capable of stealing others Devil Fruit abilities and it would be idiotic for him to not steal anymore abilities during the time-skip since everyone has improved their strength during the time-skip.

• Gura Gura No Mi is an abilities he has never used against an opponent yet, and based on how Whitebeard perform the fruit's ability, it's easy for him to become one of the strongest character thus far.

Silver Rayleigh won't be able to harm him more than others since his fruit won't allow him to become intangible to physical attacks. Silver Rayleigh is capable of facing him but the chances of defeating him becomes less ever since Blackkbeard stole the Gura Gura No Mi's abilities.

Before the start of the series, Blackbeard managed to injure Shanks in one of many unseen fights between Roger Pirates and Whitebeard Pirates. I already state that Shanks is stronger than him before the time-skip [before he stole Gura Gura No Mi's ability from Whitebeard]. He also told Shanks that "we" implying to his crew are not ready to face Shanks crew yet. It's possible for him to state all that because he knows that there are 50/50 chances that his crew will be defeated whilst also possible for him to not wanting to start any pointless fights when there isn't a reason to do so.

Originally Posted by Red Swag

and to think kuma who has recently lost himself and just a ****in robot is better than kaido is ridiculous. kaido who is one of the original yonko?! wow. and blackbeard just recently become one. and the only reason is bcuz the govt lost aokiji and they needed replacement.

• I guess you haven't realize that becoming a full cyborg made Bartholomew Kuma an even more dangerous opponent. He has no emotions nor ideals but it's clear that he's still able to think as in able to fight without the need of command.

Have you seen Kaido's true ability? I already said before that the Shichibukai's are pirates who chose to become one for their own benefits and Kuma isn't excluded from it as well since he agreed to sacrifice himself and become a full cyborg because of an unknown reason and Dragon seem to be aware of the reason meaning there's a chance he's taking orders from Dragon when he become a full cyborg and also when he joined the Shichibukai. Being a Shichibukai does not exclude them from being capable of becoming a Yonkō and Gekko Moriah was even said to once equal the power of Kaido in one-on-one and he was easily defeated by several Pacifistas and Donquixote Doflamingo.

I don't understand the bold part.

Originally Posted by Red Swag

based on what weve seen so far blackbeard and akainu are afraid of shanks. while not to whitebeard. and you still put akainu at no 1 spot and shanks at 5? hoo shit. garp even said hed kill akainu. based on what weve seen so far.

that 'based on what wev seen so far' aint all that.

Sakazuki are afraid of Shanks? Did it mention anywhere that Sakazuki said he's scared of Shanks? It's clear that he's shocked that Shanks is at the war and they're facing another Yonkō after defeating one of the Yonkō and Sengoku is the one who told them to stop fighting and ended the war so the possible fight between Shanks and Sakazuki was cut short without them even starting the fight. Shanks is one of my favorite characters whilst Sakazuki is one of the characters I hate but that doesn't mean I should be a fan-boy and put anyone I like number one whilst excluding everyone I hate from the list.

Blackbeard feared Whitebeard but he had no choice because that was the best chance for him to steal his Gura Gura No Mi's ability. If it wasn't for that ability then he wouldn't even showed up at the war. The same goes with when he was shown to be afraid of Sakazuki, it's possible for him to not facing an opponent as strong as Sakazuki when there are no reason for him to do so in the first place. For the Marine Battleship? They aren't that stupid to put their life on the line senselessly just for a Marine Battleship.

Originally Posted by Red Swag

and it aint about bcuz akainu has magma and it's > fire... NOO!!!.. it's simply bcuz akainu is just too strong for ace.
his haki is way better. ever wondered why he survived wb's assault...
doesnt matter if it;s aokiji or kizaru who fought ace, theyd still put a hole in ace's stomach bcuz of their haki not their df.

dofla / mihawk / law are stronger than kuma.

Magma > Fire, an actual fact. It has nothing to do with strength but instead which Devil Fruit cancels the other one. They weren't using haki when fighting but instead Devil Fruit and it has nothing to do with strength when using Logia Devil Fruit. But when he faced Whitebeard, it's because of his strength. But not when facing Ace. If Ace had a better Devil Fruit then the magma wouldn't even harm him since he can become intangible to any non-haki attacks except from a Devil Fruit that cancels their Devil Fruit abilities and it was shown that the magma is the one that cut through the fire, not haki. The same goes for Borsalino and Kuzan.

You're putting a character who's abilities are unknown over a character who's abilities are known as in Donquixote Doflamingo > Bartholomew Kuma? Dracule Mihawk is already on the list so I don't understand why you even bother putting his name there. As for Trafalgar Law, he had a hard time facing a Pacifistas before the time-skip and it hasn't even been shown his full strength after the time-skip except for him switching the Strawhats', Tashigi and Smoker's hearts and also because I already stated that speed can counter his Ope Ope No Mi and based on Bartholomew Kuma's speed, Law has no chances against him but still too early to predict. Plus, it's still too early for him to even be in the top ten, the same goes with Monkey D. Luffy, Roronoa Zoro, Sanji, Eustass Kid, X Drake, Scrathmen Apoo and Basil Hawkins based on strength alone.

Re: Top 10 One Piece characters "ALIVE"

Originally Posted by Eustass

Monkey D. Luffy.

• Luffy's too early to be considered one of the top ten. He's shown great mastery over all three haki's and his second gear as well as third gear has improve to the point where it won't affect his health nor life-span due to him pumping blood in only one particular part of his body instead of his whole body before the time-skip but I still don't see him defeating any of them yet. Let's not forget the only reason he managed to defeat Garp was becaue Garp let him land a punch on him, Garp could have easily avoided the punch.

Magellan.

• Magellan has a unique and powerful Paramecia class Devil Fruit that can easily equal some of Logia's fruit but I can see all the top ten character defeating him. I believe even Luffy can defeat him after the time-skip due to the fact that poison has no affect on him anymore ever since his body's immune system has been boosts to counter any poisons, especially Doku Doku No Mi's poisons.

Jozu.

• Jozu is nowhere near the level of any of the top ten. He's able to give Kuzan a great fight and the only reason Kuzan defeat him was because his attention was toward Marco when Borsalino struck him with one of the attack's from his Pika Pika No Mi and I believe he could be in the top ten but ever since his arm was cut off [If I remember correctly] then it would easily have weakened him in some way. Whilst Kuzan trained to become stronger during the time-skip [Obviously], it's possible for Jozu to trained himself in fighting with only one armed but that would still make him less powerful than he was. Put in note that he is not Shanks where's he's capable of swordsmanship but instead fight using both of his arm. It's sad because he could have become one of the most powerful characters of the series.

Roronoa Zoro.

• Without a doubt, one of the strongest character in One Piece after the time-skip but it seems that no-one has been able to give him a good fight where we could see him at his full power so it's too early to make any assumption that he's capable of defeating any of the top-ten.

Trafalgar Law.

• Trafalgar Law is also one of the strongest character in One Piece but if he were to meet someone who could counter his ability such as anyone with amazing speed and any Logia's then he could easily be defeated since Logia won't be harmed by his Ope Ope No Mi even though he has haki since there hasn't been shown whether it's possible for someone of Paramecia's class to haki-coat their Devil Fruit abilities related to such abilities such as Ope Ope No Mi and Scrathmen Apoo's unnamed Devil Fruit ability where he's capable of cutting through his enemies through music.

Smoker.

Let's examine Smoker's ability first.

• Moku Moku No Mi which enable him to manipulate, create and transform into smokes. Currently, I don't see much threat coming from this Devil Fruit.

Moku Moku No Mi's main/seen attack's.

• White Out in which Smoker shoots normal smoke from his arms and uses them to devour his opponent, then makes the smoke compact to trap them inside it.

• White Blow in which Smoker shoots thick smokes from his arms to blast his opponent hard.

• White Snake in which Smoker launches a long snake of thick snow to make them track/follow his opponents until it grabs them.

• White Spark in which Smoker transform his some of his body or his whole body into smokes and charges towards his opponents.

• White Vine in which Smoker transform into a spiraling of smokes to trap his enemies.

• White Launcher in which Smoker transforms himself into smokes and launches himself towards his opponents.

Conclusion : Moku Moku No Mi currently shows no threat towards time-skip Luffy nor even any of the top ten characters. Anyone with haki can defeat him and due to him transforming into smoke whenever he uses White Launches, it made it easier for his opponents to land a punch or kick toward him.

Haki.

•Kenbunshoku Haki.

• It's possible for him to have mastered this form of haki but during the fight with Trafalgar Law, he didn't show any sign that he have it but it's still possible for him to have it but I, or maybe most of us or all of us haven't realize it yet or it just hasn't been stated or shown yet since it's been stated that all of the Vice Admirals must at least mastered one form of haki's.

•Busoshoku Haki.

• It's obvious that he's capable of using this type of haki since after the time-skip, it seems that almost all the top pirates capable of matching up with any of the Logia's user and I think I remember once where Luffy said "ouch" when being struck by Smoker and since Luffy is made of rubber then it's possible that it was the effect of Busoshoku.

Rokushiki.

• It's been told that every top ranking marines has access to Rokushiki so it's possible for him to mastered some forms of it before or after the time-skip. Currently, it hasn't been shown whether he mastered it or not in his fight against Vergo [put in note that he purposely chose to fight using his Moku Moku No Mi in order to steal Law's heart from Vergo] and Trafalgar Law.

Now that I've explained his abilities, I can say that he isn't capable of defeating any of the top ten yet but I'm sure somewhere in the future, he will definitely become one of the top ten.

Vista.

• Vista is a great swordsmen, it's been shown that he's capable equally fighting Dracule Mihawk but the fight was cut short by the incident where Squard stabbed Whitebeard therefore assumption on him being an equal to Dracule Mihawk should be analyze or shouldn't exist unless it was a fight where there are no incidents to have any sort of effects towards the fight.

Yonkō's first mate which I assume is Ben Beckman[?]

• It wouldn't be fair to assume his strength's based on Borsalino's reaction toward him when he pointed flintlock rifle which I assume he uses a haki-coated bullets or the fight between him and Higuma's mountain bandit's crew since it's been shown that Borsalino continued with his attacks on Heart Pirates submarine and Higuma's mountain bandit's crew weren't much of an opponent for him. Unless his true abilities are shown, we shouldn't hype him too much but I do believe that he is a powerful person, capable of being equal to any of the three admirals before the time-skip.

Sanji.

• Honestly, I don't see him defeating any of the top ten, not in his current strength. He will in the future but not just yet. I'm sure he's improve a lot and it wouldn't be fair to assume his current strength based on his fight against Vergo where he managed to defeat Vergo but only because Vergo shown no interest in fighting Sanji and it seems that his kicks doesn't seem to harm or injure Vergo that much.

Any of the Vice-Admirals.

• I don't see much of them yet except from Momonga, StrawberryDalmatian, Vergo and Smoker. Correct me if there are other Vice-Admirals that has been shown fighting any opponents, excluding John Giant where he got his ass handed to him by Whitebeard and Tsuru due to her being the strategist of the marines. Based on Oda's logic and plot, he would usually use any of the Vice-Admirals or characters that he categorize as weak during the series and hide powerful characters for the future of the series such as choosing the next to Admirals to replace both Kuzan and Sakazuki.

Other shown Vice-Admirals

•Comil is shown both during Portgas D. Ace's mini story and in the Battle Of Marineford. He's one of my favorite Vice-Admirals due to him believing in "Moral Justice" but his strength hasn't been shown at all. It's obvious that he's capable of using some form of haki and seems to be a capable swordsman but that's his only abilities that we've known so far so it's hard to make any assumptions or theories.

•Oniguma and Doberman both seem to be a believer of "Absolute Justice" which made both of them one of the prime candidates on known Vice-Admirals to become an Admiral but their strength is also currently unknown.

Giant Squad Vice-Admirals

• Both Lacroix and Ronse's abilities aren't shown much. Other giant Vice-Admirals are shown to help Lacroix get on his feet implying that he got his ass handed to him or simply tired from the battles whilst Ronse got his ass handed to him by Whitebeard's Vista and Whitebeard himself.

Vice-Admirals toy'd by Donquixote Doflamingo.

• Mozambia and Stainless abilities are unknown but they are easily trapped by Doflamingo's possible puppet-like Devil Fruit whilst Cancer, another Vice-Admiral who abilities are unknown, couldn't even do anything to stop them from trying to kill each other.

Other shown Vice-Admirals.

• Bastille abilities are unknown and he doesn't seem to be fighting nor received much screen-time during the war.

Filler Vice-Admirals.

• Jonathan seem to be a future candidate for Admirals position even though he's a filler character and based on Oda's way to creation his stories, it's possible for Jonathan to be in the future of the show since Oda wouldn't create a character and put more canon details in them which in his case, being a Sakazuki's protege. The same goes with a character that goes by the name of Bogart [Bogart possibly isn't his real name but added/created by fan in order identify him for future reference] is also a possible Admirals candidate due to him being one of the most mysterious character in the series and since Oda based the three admirals creation based on actors and since Bogart has the similar appearance to Humphrey Bogart, it's possible for him to be the future Admirals, added with mysteries surrounding his creation and appearance as well as his strength therefore it's possible for him to be a Vice-Admiral but currently, it's just a theory.

Boa Hancock.

• It's obvious that she's one of the powerful character as well as the most powerful female pirate of the series shown so far excluding Big Mam due to her abilities being unknown but it's highly unlikely for other characters in the top ten to fall for her Mero Mero No Mi's ability. It's also been shown that her physical attacks are capable of turning anything she touches into rocks similar to Greek Mythology's Medusa abilities whereas any person who look at her face will turned to rock. Her abilities are one of the unique and if-used-properly-with-no-plot-related-would-be-one-of-the-strongest Devil Fruit but currently, it's hard to make any theories nor assumptions on her abilities.

Donquixote Doflamingo.

• Considered to be one of the most powerful characters in the entire series based on hype and also because he is the only Shichibukai shown before time-skip that the Strawhats' haven't encounter. He's capable of slicing through anything by using his finger whilst controlling others like puppet using his fingers as if there's a string attached to the person he's using it on. His Devil Fruit is not only unnamed by also confusing and there has been many theories on whether those are even Devil Fruit or an advance version of Haoshoku Haki but like I said before, unless a character strength is known, it's better to not make any assumption because based on hype alone, he could easily be top five or even top two.

You've shown a couple of great characters possible to be in the top ten but most of them strengths are either unknown or their full capabilities are not fully shown. I'm sorry if there are any typos because I'm getting sleepy and correct me if I made a mistake on my explanation.

I'm saying luffy is stronger than kuma not in the top 10.

Magellan has kinjite which is very corrosive, if you don't have strong haki, it's impossible to counter it. But im just saying hes stronger than Kuma.

Just saying Jozu is stronger than kuma

Same as above for zoro

same as above for Law

same as above for Smoker

same as above for vista

Same as above for all yonko first mate

same as above for sanji

I believe only high VA can beat luffy. Ones like onigumo etc.

I don't believe any giant squad VAs can beat kuma

I believe hancock can beat kuma

Same as above for Doffy

I only stated the characters that can beat kuma, not the top 10 that replaces kuma

I do believe Marco can be top 10, he's shown to be near admiral level. His kicks and haki are powerful enough to sent kizaru flying.

My opinion to your list is I believe Shanks and garp are equal or stronger than Akainu, Kuzan stronger than borsalino. Since mihawk have once fought shanks, he should be around his level but Im not sure about his ranking though.

Re: Top 10 One Piece characters "ALIVE"

Originally Posted by Eustass

Magellan.

• Magellan has a unique and powerful Paramecia class Devil Fruit that can easily equal some of Logia's fruit but I can see all the top ten character defeating him. I believe even Luffy can defeat him after the time-skip due to the fact that poison has no affect on him anymore ever since his body's immune system has been boosts to counter any poisons, especially Doku Doku No Mi's poisons.

Re: Top 10 One Piece characters "ALIVE"

Originally Posted by rinnemaki

ummm did you forget about the venom demon????

Hydra? They're poisons produced by Doku Doku No Mi. I don't need to mention them since I wasn't planning on mentioning all his abilities since it's been established that his abilities are a threat unlike Smoker's.

Re: Top 10 One Piece characters "ALIVE"

Magellan has kinjite which is very corrosive, if you don't have strong haki, it's impossible to counter it. But im just saying hes stronger than Kuma.

Just saying Jozu is stronger than kuma

Same as above for zoro

same as above for Law

same as above for Smoker

same as above for vista

Same as above for all yonko first mate

same as above for sanji

I believe only high VA can beat luffy. Ones like onigumo etc.

I don't believe any giant squad VAs can beat kuma

I believe hancock can beat kuma

Same as above for Doffy

I only stated the characters that can beat kuma, not the top 10 that replaces kuma

I do believe Marco can be top 10, he's shown to be near admiral level. His kicks and haki are powerful enough to sent kizaru flying.

My opinion to your list is I believe Shanks and garp are equal or stronger than Akainu, Kuzan stronger than borsalino. Since mihawk have once fought shanks, he should be around his level but Im not sure about his ranking though.

I don't understand what you're saying. You're saying they're stronger than Bartholomew Kuma outside the top ten? Am I missing something? If all the names you mentioned are stronger than Kuma then they deserve a place in the top ten. But you need to actually explain why you believe in all that. Boa Hancock are in no way stronger than Kuma. Her Devil Fruit abilities wouldn't affect Kuma in any way whilst her abilities whereas she defeated several Pacifistas won't work on Kuma due to Kuma is on a different level from the Pacifistas.

Doflamingo's abilities aren't even shown yet and based on hype alone, it's obvious who'll win [Doflamingo] but hype are mostly full of idiotic bullshit where's it's believed by mostly idiots who gets amazed by everything they see and come with a conclusion that anything seems strong to them are above others.

You put Sanji, Law, Zoro, Luffy, Smoker, Vista and Hancock as above Kuma. Sometimes I wonder whether you understand his abilities or not. He's faster than Borsalino, and he also have a monstrous strength whilst capable of using one of Pika Pika No Mi's ability on his right arm whilst in his left arm, he's capable of repelling anything such as pain, air, and people. Even a person with haki won't affect him due to him not being like most Devil Fruit users, due to him losing his ideals and feelings, the sea stone won't affect him due to his mind being blank and he won't be able to even realize the pain nor that he's feeling weak whilst he's not a Logia whereas haki is crucial in a fight. So, I don't see how you managed to come up with a conclusion that they're all above Kuma. If you have an explanation then c'mon, explain them.

Re: Top 10 One Piece characters "ALIVE"

Originally Posted by Eustass

I don't understand what you're saying. You're saying they're stronger than Bartholomew Kuma outside the top ten? Am I missing something? If all the names you mentioned are stronger than Kuma then they deserve a place in the top ten. But you need to actually explain why you believe in all that. Boa Hancock are in no way stronger than Kuma. Her Devil Fruit abilities wouldn't affect Kuma in any way whilst her abilities whereas she defeated several Pacifistas won't work on Kuma due to Kuma is on a different level from the Pacifistas.

Doflamingo's abilities aren't even shown yet and based on hype alone, it's obvious who'll win [Doflamingo] but hype are mostly full of idiotic bullshit where's it's believed by mostly idiots who gets amazed by everything they see and come with a conclusion that anything seems strong to them are above others.

You put Sanji, Law, Zoro, Luffy, Smoker, Vista and Hancock as above Kuma. Sometimes I wonder whether you understand his abilities or not. He's faster than Borsalino, and he also have a monstrous strength whilst capable of using one of Pika Pika No Mi's ability on his right arm whilst in his left arm, he's capable of repelling anything such as pain, air, and people. Even a person with haki won't affect him due to him not being like most Devil Fruit users, due to him losing his ideals and feelings, the sea stone won't affect him due to his mind being blank and he won't be able to even realize the pain nor that he's feeling weak whilst he's not a Logia whereas haki is crucial in a fight. So, I don't see how you managed to come up with a conclusion that they're all above Kuma. If you have an explanation then c'mon, explain them.

How does her DF won't work on kuma? Theres more to her abilities than seduction and shes a advance haki user

How does haki not work on him? Kuma can't BFR a haki user, Kuma's Urus shock needs prep, Pad Ho is dodgeable.

Theres nothing special about pika pika no mi without the physical abilities and advance haki of admirals.

Haki can reinforce an attack and bodyparts to make it stronger,It's not just to exploit DF user's weakness.

> A mind with no ideals nor capable of think and has no feeling whatsoever.

Sea-stone won't work on him. Even if it work, it's not like he'll fall down and says "damn and it's unlikely that it will even stop him for long but I honestly can also see that happening, so my point in sea stone won't work on him is unproven therefore it shouldn't be put. My bad.
But it's not likely that they will use any sea-stone in the plot when they're up against Kuma in the future. Haki will work on him as much as it will work on everyone else but it's not like haki will injure him more than anyone else. Hancock advance haki wouldn't harm him more than anyone else therefore it's unlikely that her haki will be much trouble for him. Her armament-coated punches and kicks will somehow injure him more than everyone else? No.

Hancock's abilities are haki as well as her Devil Fruit; seducing others and turning them into rocks at will-only by her physical attacks.
It's very unlikely that Kuma will be injured by that. Kuma has the speed whilst Pacifista's doesn't. It's pretty likely that Kuma also is an advance haki user but I won't put that as a reason due to it not being confirm yet. No matter how you look at it after you analyze their strength, abilities and advantages, Kuma will end as the victor.

Pika Pika No Mi's light are unique. When I mentioned it, I state that it's also one of Kuma's attack.

Re: Top 10 One Piece characters "ALIVE"

Originally Posted by Eustass

> A mind with no ideals nor capable of think and has no feeling whatsoever.

Sea-stone won't work on him. Even if it work, it's not like he'll fall down and says "damn and it's unlikely that it will even stop him for long but I honestly can also see that happening, so my point in sea stone won't work on him is unproven therefore it shouldn't be put. My bad.
But it's not likely that they will use any sea-stone in the plot when they're up against Kuma in the future. Haki will work on him as much as it will work on everyone else but it's not like haki will injure him more than anyone else. Hancock advance haki wouldn't harm him more than anyone else therefore it's unlikely that her haki will be much trouble for him. Her armament-coated punches and kicks will somehow injure him more than everyone else? No.

Hancock's abilities are haki as well as her Devil Fruit; seducing others and turning them into rocks at will-only by her physical attacks.
It's very unlikely that Kuma will be injured by that. Kuma has the speed whilst Pacifista's doesn't. It's pretty likely that Kuma also is an advance haki user but I won't put that as a reason due to it not being confirm yet. No matter how you look at it after you analyze their strength, abilities and advantages, Kuma will end as the victor.

Pika Pika No Mi's light are unique. When I mentioned it, I state that it's also one of Kuma's attack.

The seastone makes user immobilize. Hancock has more advance than Vergo's haki and high VA's haki. Hancock has more other attacks like slave arrow which is fast and if enhanced by haki, it could penetrate kuma's armor and that attack is fast too. Pre TS zoro landed a hit on Kuma and actually damage him a little while hancock has way advance haki than post TS zoro not being able to hurt kuma?How is a laser unique? Franky has one too. By powerscaling, Hancock is around Magellan's level which could easily damage kuma's armor with kinjite.