They already told you about reading the timing, but it sounds like you keep pushing the matter. I don't need to answer your question.Why? Because THEY already did"the sensor was DESIGNED that way". Don't be mad at me. I simply implied to move on and you called me stupid.

Things are done for reasons and this forum is for finding information. If you (gashuffer) don't have a real answer for my question, don't bother to answer. I'm not interested in your banter anyway.

K so just rub off the 1 where the "10" is and you get 0. Or if you have a tiny marker of some sort, rub off each first digit on the positive timing side (because who does negative timing anyways) and write in the correct one. Its not rocket science. If 10 degrees of marked timing equals 0 degrees of timing for the sensor, then thats it.

If you want a real answer then here it is: most likely the cans were pre-marked at the factory and the 0 degrees of real timing had to be found and that happened to be the 10 degree mark on the can.

Ok ill state this in a clearer way. The nemesis sensor and endbell set-up at 0 degrees is slightly negative timing. After a few dyno runs we found that 10 degrees of timing is the best starting point for racers or people just trying to have fun.

ok, ran the nemisis for the first time tonight and it seems to fade rather quickly.... when comparing it to the duo 2 .

Im currently running 102 spur and 41 pinion w/ 1.9 internal ratio. Has anyone experienced this and does anyone.. maybe even a trinity rep have any thoughts or advice on this.

I have run timming on 15, 20 and even 30 and it just seems to fade. Im running 1/10 scale with Ko speed control

I would think less timing and more gearing would be the easy way to solve you "fade" problem if its heat related.

Interestly I have found that batteries and ESC config have more to do with "fade" than motor and gearing. I am generally a mod driver but run spec with my brothers and friends at clubbies with similar setup to mod (no heatsink or fan on motor). I reguarly push temps over 85C (+180F) and have never experienced "fade". I have heard many others complain about it and it always seems to be with lots of timing or old/cheap batteries.

I would think less timing and more gearing would be the easy way to solve you "fade" problem if its heat related.

Interestly I have found that batteries and ESC config have more to do with "fade" than motor and gearing. I am generally a mod driver but run spec with my brothers and friends at clubbies with similar setup to mod (no heatsink or fan on motor). I reguarly push temps over 85C (+180F) and have never experienced "fade". I have heard many others complain about it and it always seems to be with lots of timing or old/cheap batteries.

Ok... I might play around with my ESC, I am using new 5000 SMC 50c batteries and I didnt change anything in my ESC setup, I simply just switched motors (from duo 2 to nemisis)....I was thinking that since i was dealing with the same company but supposedly better motor or upgraded motor that it could take the same settings... probably incorrect assumption. I will try and remove some of the timing out of the ESC.

Until now I have never experienced "fade" Ive used multiple brands 13.5, 17.5, 21.5 and never had this issue... but every motor is different.

Apart from the endbell there is only a tiny difference between the duo and duo2. Yet they still seem to require different setups to get the best out of them. If this motor is radically different it will be a case of test everything again and see what works. Changes in the other 1/2 of the power equation (ESC) have effected setups alot so I imagine a different motor should also require different tuning for peak performance.

Ok... I might play around with my ESC, I am using new 5000 SMC 50c batteries and I didnt change anything in my ESC setup, I simply just switched motors (from duo 2 to nemisis)....I was thinking that since i was dealing with the same company but supposedly better motor or upgraded motor that it could take the same settings... probably incorrect assumption. I will try and remove some of the timing out of the ESC.

Until now I have never experienced "fade" Ive used multiple brands 13.5, 17.5, 21.5 and never had this issue... but every motor is different.

thanks dragonfire

For more info see my answer to your question in the EPIC company thread.

I am seeing the same problem as you. duo 2 and nemesis is just not possible to gear the same. I keep dropping teeth and I just fades very fast. Finally after a few heats I just pulled it and put the duo back in. Maybe someone from trinity knows more about what to do with this.

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