PowerI77 wrote: So the admin and parents will be ok with going 4-6 every year? Find that hard to believe.The norm at the school was going deep into the playoffs every year.

Believe what you will. Of course, nobody likes to lose, but there are things more important than winning at all costs. And our parents and admin are on board with that. We don't plan on going 4-6 every year, and we certainly want to return to competitive greatness, but we want to do it the right way.

Safford has had many coaching changes within the past five years. If this job really is open, I think it would be a great opportunity for someone who would be willing to commit to staying with the Bulldogs for many years. I think the talent pool is there and that the team could be successful in a hurry. I wasn't aware of the Benson vacancy and question the authenticity of that rumor.

Dorell and Walker would have stayed at Saford forever but the administration ran both of them off. The admin has no clue what they want, won't stick up to parents and that makes this job one to run from. No coach in their right mind should want that job.

alnvc wrote:Believe what you will. Of course, nobody likes to lose, but there are things more important than winning at all costs. And our parents and admin are on board with that. We don't plan on going 4-6 every year, and we certainly want to return to competitive greatness, but we want to do it the right way.

We sure learned a lot about the character of the former coach when he was the epicenter of a massive recruiting scandal in the White Mountains over his own kid. If there were internal issues in the VC program that rivaled the issues that happened at Chandler and then BR/SL when he left the program, there probably were major issues within the organization while he was there as well. At the AIA meetings there were allegations of problems between the HC and former assistant coach and just a series of weird issues. There is just no place for that at a Christian school.

That is good news. Coach Cain got a lot out of his players. Making the playoffs with a small band of players is no easy task. They were a different team from the one the year before. Im my opinion, a better team. Even though they lost a good RB. They played a better offense and defense that really made great use of their athletes.

PowerI77 wrote: What about Valley Christian they have not been as good since Morgan left?

VC is fine - not winning as much, but the program is better in every important way - character, sportsmanship, academics, etc.

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Well said alnvc. Could not agree more about that statement. My question would be, did you see those problems when he was there and winning titles, and more importantly did you speak out against them then. Winning tends to silence people and hide problems, except those with great character and integrity will have the courage to speak up in good and bad times. I'm starting to hear rumbles and squeaks in my neck of the woods up here, which further illustrates the point. People are very fickle and there opinion are formed and swayed by a scoreboard and titles rather than what you spoke of. Sad

PowerI77 wrote: What about Valley Christian they have not been as good since Morgan left?

VC is fine - not winning as much, but the program is better in every important way - character, sportsmanship, academics, etc.

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Well said alnvc. Could not agree more about that statement. My question would be, did you see those problems when he was there and winning titles, and more importantly did you speak out against them then. Winning tends to silence people and hide problems, except those with great character and integrity will have the courage to speak up in good and bad times. I'm starting to hear rumbles and squeaks in my neck of the woods up here, which further illustrates the point. People are very fickle and there opinion are formed and swayed by a scoreboard and titles rather than what you spoke of. Sad

There are many, many people with "great character and integrity" at our school ...

I'm sure there are lots of great people of character at every school, including Valley Christian. Help refresh my memory though, was there a lot of talk about the problems when VC was winning titles? I don't have a great memory, so I don't recall. For those who have the courage to speak out about things that are wrong behind the scenes, when on the field everything is Roses, I applaud them, that takes true character.

sprinkler wrote: I'm sure there are lots of great people of character at every school, including Valley Christian. Help refresh my memory though, was there a lot of talk about the problems when VC was winning titles? I don't have a great memory, so I don't recall. For those who have the courage to speak out about things that are wrong behind the scenes, when on the field everything is Roses, I applaud them, that takes true character.

Sounds like either:you are implying that eveyrone at VC is more interested in winning than in character,OR you are trying to get some dirt aired publicly.

Wrong on the first account and I'm not going to satisfy you on the second. Sorry.

I'm familiar enough with the subject to have a pretty clear opinion myself, so no I didn't ask for dirt and don't want any. I'm simply asking, the things that are so much better at VC now, where we (meaning those of character at VC you speak of) as outspoken then as we are now. If so, I applaud those people, as in most cases, including my little community, those things kind of get swept aside when winning. Hence the squeaks and groans In my neck of the woods that I hear much more now than ever before. The old Saying, "winning cures everything".