Class A: "...we're disappointed by ... the disappearance of the built-in flash..."

Really? P-TTL is so bad at controlling more than one off-camera flash, why would you put up with such a bad optical triggering system (that does not even support HSS through the built-in flash and requires line-of-sight)?

Using a dedicated radio trigger on camera with direct control over manual flash levels right from the camera position is so much better and adequate for a camera in this price bracket.

jpino, I totally get it. I don't mean to be a douchebag by saying so and totally don't take it that way, but the cheapest Pentax lenses weren't doing it for you so instead you bought the cheapest Nikon FF body and have been heckling the Pentax forums ever since. That's totally understandable. Some of your shots are totally mediocre with your Nikon FF, it makes sense you'd come back to every Pentax article to share your wisdom with potential Pentax enthusiasts the world over with your depth of multi-brand experience. I mean, you've owned the best of all brands, am I right!?Thanks again for gracing these forums with your presence. You're a saint, jpino.

Class A: "...we're disappointed by ... the disappearance of the built-in flash..."

Really? P-TTL is so bad at controlling more than one off-camera flash, why would you put up with such a bad optical triggering system (that does not even support HSS through the built-in flash and requires line-of-sight)?

Using a dedicated radio trigger on camera with direct control over manual flash levels right from the camera position is so much better and adequate for a camera in this price bracket.

jpino, those selfie-shooting folks would be well served with the K-S2. WiFi for instant instagraming their Boston-pizza-meal-centred Twitter selfies to Facebook and all that. What better use of on-camera flash than shooting photos of yourself when you're not creative enough to find actually interesting subjects with which you could practice the real art of photography?Ha, jokes. I do seriously respect the K-S2. And also Boston Pizza. And even selfies. You...?BTW, did you ever manage to pawn off your broken K-50? Either way, hope your Nikon's treating you alright.

Class A: "...we're disappointed by ... the disappearance of the built-in flash..."

Really? P-TTL is so bad at controlling more than one off-camera flash, why would you put up with such a bad optical triggering system (that does not even support HSS through the built-in flash and requires line-of-sight)?

Using a dedicated radio trigger on camera with direct control over manual flash levels right from the camera position is so much better and adequate for a camera in this price bracket.

Nice to see you, jpino. I know it has "benefits," but any time you could be using the built-in flash for fill or a nice effect, you'd get a better looking shot using an external flash. Mine lives completely unnoticed in my camera bag for when I need it, and Pentax's own 201 model is weather-sealed, a quarter the size of my Yongnuo at a fraction the weight, and offers PTTL capability. It doesn't take long to get yourself into the habit of attaching an external strobe in situations where you think you might need it.I think it's a pretty fair trade-off considering the astro crowd is now getting the most feature-rich star chaser body ever for a price well under the original retail of the K-3. You don't need on-camera fill when you're shooting the moon, you know?And the original K-3 is obviously still available — at a better price than ever — for those who prioritize poor-quality, photo-flattening on-camera flash rather than battery-draining, stalker-fuel GPS.

Class A: "...we're disappointed by ... the disappearance of the built-in flash..."

Really? P-TTL is so bad at controlling more than one off-camera flash, why would you put up with such a bad optical triggering system (that does not even support HSS through the built-in flash and requires line-of-sight)?

Using a dedicated radio trigger on camera with direct control over manual flash levels right from the camera position is so much better and adequate for a camera in this price bracket.

Class A, yes Sony and Canon have released models without a built-in flash. However, you forgot to mention Fuji, Olympus, Panasonic, Pentax' own 645 system (or any medium-format digital body), etc. I totally agree that it really isn't a necessity for a LOT of people — especially given the available/low-light capabilities of cameras nowadays.

It'll be nice to see all these improvements listed in the specs list for the FF — alongside WiFi. It is tempting, but I'm waiting on the FF for sure.I can't imagine they'd cripple their first full-frame body by leaving any of this out.

DaGurney: Too bad their lenses suck the big wad. I bought the Rokinon 35mm cine lens, and it was abysmal. It ruined numerous shots with softness across the entire frame and ridiculous ghosting. Don't compromise your work with garbage like this.

+1 to that Brendon. Samyang's lenses don't "suck the big wad," but their quality control certainly has in the past.

Michel F: At $200 less it could be appealing for budding macro shooters on a tight budget but I don't understand how this product can be relevant in a crowded market segment of 90-105mm macro lenses that are already excellent.

A 150 or 200mm manual focus macro f/3.5 to f/4 manual with a similar price tag would make much more sense.

Me thinks that if the price doesn't go down substantially Samyang will be stuck with a product that doesn't sell.

I always found 120 to be a pretty solid FL for a macro. Still waiting on someone to release something as killer as my old Mamiya 4/120 macro was, even with mount adapters.

Scottelly: Interesting that these photos were shot with an Olympus E-M5 Mk II, rather than a Sigma SD1 with the 17-50mm f2.8 OS.

This is a photography website. Could you imagine having to carry around different system for each story you...nevermind. You're totally right, Scottelly and Dwill. Enjoy having uncle dad's 18 thoroughly alabaman toes and better-than-a-6-pack belly-keg or whatever it is that makes you all hate flip-flops and bunny hugs. Barney's a sophisticated, well-travelled MFer and knows how to best benefit your weekend reading.So go sit on a duck or whatever you rednecks do when you're not lowering the expectations of the internet. Good luck and good day.

I'm just saying, the next processors should be a huge step ahead (Panasonic can put out 40fps stills and in-body 4K with the GH4). And considering Canon's 1DX can wiggle its FF mirror at 14fps, 8 isn't completely out of the question.

The D810 and 5DS both top out at 5 fps. As long as Pentax can get their 36MP above 6fps I think they'll get a lot of good press.Still, though, I wouldn't put it past Ricoh to figure out a way to up that to 8. Especially now that Panasonic is working with Fujitsu on the new processors.

fmian: Full frame camera with a major feature being crop mode for crop lenses.What's the big deal about a crop mode? I can easily create a lightroom preset to do the same thing.Am I missing the importance of this??Enlighten me.

fmian: Full frame camera with a major feature being crop mode for crop lenses.What's the big deal about a crop mode? I can easily create a lightroom preset to do the same thing.Am I missing the importance of this??Enlighten me.

"Only Canon cameras released after 2003 with APS-C sized sensors support the EF-S mount...Although not all Canon EF-S lenses use this short back focus, they cannot be mounted on non APS-C cameras." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EF-S_lens_mount"...you can't clearly write a statement." Says the guy with only two sentences on his entire website.