I still think its ******** that players can't call someone out for having a ****** game without getting labelled as some kind of **** disturber. If NFL players are so sensitive that they lose all composure and morale and locker room chemistry goes to hell because someone said they aren't playing hard enough/making too many mental mistakes, then they need to grow the **** up. I hope that the players hear about how horribly they played from their coaches during practices following their ****** games and they should be able to take it from their teammates as well. This has nothing to do with the Owens/Garcia history though since that had nothing to do with football and would actually be a legitimate reason for creating a massive rift in the locker room between them and other players on the team.

I still think its ******** that players can't call someone out for having a ****** game without getting labelled as some kind of **** disturber. If NFL players are so sensitive that they lose all composure and morale and locker room chemistry goes to hell because someone said they aren't playing hard enough/making too many mental mistakes, then they need to grow the **** up. I hope that the players hear about how horribly they played from their coaches during practices following their ****** games and they should be able to take it from their teammates as well. This has nothing to do with the Owens/Garcia history though since that had nothing to do with football and would actually be a legitimate reason for creating a massive rift in the locker room between them and other players on the team.

Players do call each other out. So do coaches. During games, practices, meetings, etc.

The issue is going to the media about it. How is this going to help matters?

Maybe some players need to be called out more openly than behind closed doors in the locker room, especially coddled franchise players.

Why? How is putting them on blast to the media going to help them? There are players out there that try their best and it still doesn't work out for them...that doesn't mean they deserve to get hounded by their teammates to the world.

Why? How is putting them on blast to the media going to help them? There are players out there that try their best and it still doesn't work out for them...that doesn't mean they deserve to get hounded by their teammates to the world.

Maybe McNabb just works that much harder conditioning the following offseason, knowing that the whole world knows he got tired during the ******* Super Bowl.

Anyway, I expect TO to act the way he did in Buffalo and Cincy. If he wants to throw the organization or QB under the bus after he leaves, and he's right about it, good for him shedding light on a bad situation. The only reason the Bengals got rid of him was that they didn't want to pay him after the knee injury.

This now looks somehow good if he can play at 4.45 and like he did at 36 and 37.

Terrell Owens
Sidney Rice
Doug Baldwin

Then when Rice goes down just sub in Golden Tate.

And there's still Ricardo Lockette and possibly Braylon Edwards. Not a terrible collection of talent.

If he's really running sub-4.5's, then this seems like a pretty decent signing. It's not like he's suddenly forgotten how to run a route or track a football. If the physical tools are still there, you won't find a better WR in the FA market.

I don't mean to compare him to Jerry Rice because Rice was clearly superior, but he played some very good football with the Raiders, and he was older than TO.

He could, I don't know, not have a bunch of kids with random women, or perhaps manage the millions upon millions he made in heyday.

2 women, 4 kids. This isnt exactly antonio cromartie. A years worth of college tuition for the kids and mom per month is a little excessive for a guy without a job though. Its too easy to balk and say well he should have been managing his money better, but how often does that really happen? many many NFL players live paycheck to paycheck

I doubt Owens will be a problem child bc he knows he really has no choice but to be a good soldier at this point in his career. He wasn't a problem in Buffalo, and at least publicly he wasn't a problem in Cinncy although there were rumblings that he was acting up behind closed doors.

Regardless of how he acts though, he'll bring a circus with him, and that's where the problem lies.

I don't honestly like the move for Seattle bc I felt they didn't need to make this move. They have talent, and they were flying under the radar. Now they won't sneak up on anybody.

I've always had a soft spot for TO just because he's not well. He seems to be a genuinely good person, who just doesn't function properly. It's a shame to because he's such a hard worker and tough dude. I don't think a receiver has ever impressed me as much as TO did coming back from that broken leg to drag the Eagles to the superbowl. Not only did he come back from the injury early and so was unable to practice, but he was clearly the best player on that offense, and the guy who stepped up when everyone else was ******** themselves, to rally the team. I'm glad Bill Belicheck and his Pats won that superbowl, but if TO were doing that for a team other than the Eagles I would've been rooting for him.

That said I also understand completely why a team wouldn't want a guy who's gone to the media as much as TO has. Things can get ugly in an NFL lockerroom, but keeping it behind closed doors lets you channel that, rather than turning it into a distraction and raising the viciousness.

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2 women, 4 kids. This isnt exactly antonio cromartie. A years worth of college tuition for the kids and mom per month is a little excessive for a guy without a job though. Its too easy to balk and say well he should have been managing his money better, but how often does that really happen? many many NFL players live paycheck to paycheck

Yeah, this isn't Travis Henry's dozen or so bastards from a dozen different baby mommas. Plus TO always seems like the type of guy who would compulsively gives his money away, which is why he didn't really fight to lower what he had to pay until he literally didn't have any money left to keep paying those rates.

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Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.

He's one of the best WRs of all time, and yet, he's been passed around more than Kim Kardashian. If locker room issues were made up by the media, then why have all these teams been so eager to get rid of him? It certainly wasn't because of lack of performance.

The Seahawks just spent a million dollars on one of the greatest receivers of all time, who may be washed up, but also is still in fantastic shape and just ran a 4.45. If he is a cancer for them then they can just cut him at any time. If he isn't then they got themselves a god damned bargain. I wish the Vikings had signed him...

I've always had a soft spot for TO just because he's not well. He seems to be a genuinely good person, who just doesn't function properly. It's a shame to because he's such a hard worker and tough dude. I don't think a receiver has ever impressed me as much as TO did coming back from that broken leg to drag the Eagles to the superbowl.

If I remember correctly he didn't play in any games after the injury until the Super Bowl, he didn't drag us there. It was courageous for him to play in that game, but he still wasn't all there and honestly, he really did that for contract leverage the next season, which started the whole saga. His/Rosenhaus' entire stance that off-season was "Well, he risked his career playing in that game"' and it wasn't enough to change the entire philosophy of the front office, oh well.

Owens couldve owned Philadelphia if he simply shut up and returned the next year for another chance at a title. It was mostly staged by Rosenhaus, but any sensible player can fire their agent on the spot. He's got mental problems dealing with false entitlement, and while I am rooting for him because I can't deny talent I just hope he's able to comprehend the fact that he's no longer elite and needs to do everything he can to hold his job. I didnt have a problem with him in Cincy and at his ceiling it could be more of the same in Seattle, for his sake. Again, hopefully we can appreciate a crafty receiver who knows it takes all he's got to stick as a starter, rather than the egotistical, yet lost soul we've seen elsewhere

Owens comments about Garcia being ***. Nothing to do with football and who gives a crap either way?

Owens comments about McNabb were spot on and quite honestly, if your Owens coming off a broken fibula and sleeping in a hyperbaric chamber so you can play in the Super Bowl six weeks later and your QB who's making double what you're making is puking on the field and taking all the time in the world at the end of the game, you wouldnt be pissed off? I would be pissed as hell. Seriously, McNabb couldnt suck it up for four hours? And years later, McNabb isnt on an NFL team because of his work ethic and conditioning. Basically, Owens said it seven years ago and was right yet people bash him? Makes no sense.

In Dallas, Owens should have been pissed off with Romo and him going on vacation with Jessica Simpson instead of preparing for the Giants after the bye. Owens has one of his best seasons of his career and your QB cares more about getting laid than he does about football which is whats giving him that chance to get laid to begin with. Yeah, I would be pissed off too.

Owens didnt create any problems in Buffalo.

As for Cincy, people are complaining about Owens bashing the franchise yet its all true plus it wasnt Owens who punched out Marvin Lewis, it was Chad Johnson yet it was easier for Johnson to sign with a team last year and now.

Owens mouthes off.....big deal. At least he has the balls to speak his mind. Most people are cowards and dont. Plus, what he says is pretty much all true which is why people really hate him. He's telling you what turns out to be true and backs it up on the field. Few can do that.

Quite honestly, if Owens is bashing players/coaches/etc., instead of everyone bashing Owens, they should be more concerned about whether or not what he's saying is true and since what he says is true more times than not, I would be more concerned about solving the root of the problem, which isnt Owens but the true stuff he's saying.

Also, there's players in the NFL who get arrested all the time yet are loved but Owens who's worst attribute is mouthing off gets hated. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Let's hate a guy who speaks the truth more times than not but love a guy who just got arrested for his fifth DUI. Seriously, people have their priorities screwed up when they're bashing a guy who mouths off yet praises a guy like Favre who only came back in 2010 for the money, even said so and screwed over the Vikings.

Owens is right in regards that if it was Favre who came back in the Super Bowl, everyone would be praising him and calling him heroic. But since its Owens and people are too stupid and too blind to relaize that what he says is either true or turns out be true, he gets bashed instead.

And people do follow/listen to ESPN way too much. Thankfully, I dont have that problem.

Doesn't matter, it's pretty easy to see why Owens is on his seventh team. Well, for most people it's easy.

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In Dallas, Owens should have been pissed off with Romo and him going on vacation with Jessica Simpson instead of preparing for the Giants after the bye. Owens has one of his best seasons of his career and your QB cares more about getting laid than he does about football which is whats giving him that chance to get laid to begin with. Yeah, I would be pissed off too.

Right, Owens was so pissed off at Romo he cried in his defense after the playoff loss to the Giants.

I like how you left out the comment where Owens thought Garcia was ***, which was of course, a lie.

How can a thought be a lie?

I like how you leave out a few key details:

1. Owens was no longer Garcia's teammate at the time of the Playboy interview. It was in the summer of 2004. Owens was a member of the Eagles, Garcia was with the Browns.

2. Owens was asked if he thought Garcia was ***. He didn't come up with it on his own. Why do you think he was asked? Maybe you were too young at the time, but rumors had been swirling that Garcia was *** for years. There was even a Bang! Cartoon making fun of him for exhibiting all the stereotypical *** mannerisms that came out in 2003 (well before the Playboy interview). (http://bangcartoon.com/2003/49erhouse.htm)

3. Owens said he wouldn't personally have a problem with a *** teammate.

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McNabb got tired in the Super Bowl. Sure. Again, why is going to the media blabbering about it a necessity? Again, how is this helping the team?

I'm going to issue a challenge: Find me a quote from Owens alleging McNabb got tired in the Super Bowl.

This is a rhetorical challenge, of course. Owens never said McNabb got tired in the Super Bowl. He said, and I quote, "I wasn't the guy who got tired in the Super Bowl."

There's a reason we knew he was referring to McNabb, and it exposes the underlying double standard - Owens was referring to recent interviews involving Hank Fraley and Freddie Mitchell, both of whom announced to the world McNabb got tired in the Super Bowl and looked like he was either holding in vomit, or perhaps even did vomit, in the huddle.

It's OK when they do it, but if Owens refers to it in a thinly veiled shot, suddenly the world is about to end.

And why did Owens mention that? Well, in the context of an interview with Len Pasquarelli about how hard Owens worked to get back on the field after the broken leg, he was discussing how he felt about his performance in the Super Bowl and the fact that he did everything he did to prepare himself physically.

He was ready, and McNabb, the guy who upset him by telling the press in the week leading up to the game, "We do not need Terrell Owens to win this football game," was not.

Imagine if the situations had been reversed, and it had been Owens who belittled McNabb's efforts to return for the Super Bowl after breaking his leg by stating to the press, "We do not need Donovan McNabb to win this football game." Owens would have been blown to bits in a media onslaught.

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Romo proved that Owens was expendable. And the notion that he and Witten teamed up to alienate Owens in the passing game was just an excuse Owens used because he felt like he wasn't getting the ball enough. Simply put, he was bitching.

Another rhetorical challenge for you: Find me a single quote where Owens said anything about Romo/Witten "teaming up"/secret plays/etc.

You will never find one, because it doesn't exist.

Whatever Owens did say, he kept it behind closed doors, and it is only because of some "anonymous sources" (one teammate and one or more members of the media - I break the article down to prove these numbers on my website) that we ever heard a word about it.

In essence, what Ed Werder was really reporting was that Terrell Owens met in private with his offensive coordinator (Jason Garrett) to air his frustrations about the offense. This is exactly what players are told to do. Coaches don't like it when players publicly complain about their roles (though that happens regularly in sports - your hero, Jerry Rice, took part in countless instances of this, in addition to all his behind-the-scenes complaining), but there's an understanding that there should be open communication within a football team.

Just about every skill position player in football has complained to a coach about his role at one time or another. Owens is no different from the average player in this regard. He's just infinitely more visible.

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Cincinnati struggled sure. Maybe the coaches were at fault. Maybe it was just a lack of execution on the players part. Marvin Lewis could have said the same thing, but he didn't. Why? Because how would that help the team.

Owens didn't call out the coaches. He called out the whole team - he said, and I quote, "it starts from the top down." He mentioned the owner, coaching staff, and players in his response.

You bought the media spin hook, line, and sinker. You read the headline and never bothered to read the actual content of the article, including the actual quote, and actually think critically. Most people don't.

Steve Young got it. "We give this guy entirely too much grief. If you listen to what he said, he was trying to be politically correct with it." But that's because Steve Young's seen it for himself.

Also, no mention anywhere of Chad asking the question of who was to blame for the Bengals' failed season, and telling Owens, "and don't give me any of that politically correct BS." Owens didn't take the bait, trying to be as politically correct as he could while still answering the question. Of course, it doesn't matter at this point. It hasn't mattered in 12 years.

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And believe it or not on the field performance can be effected by the smallest things.

Nope, they can't be effected by anything. They might be affected, though.

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If someone at your workplace is putting you on blast and telling everyone else in the building that you aren't very good and you get wind of it, it's probably not going to help your focus while you are doing your task.

Football is a sport where you need thick skin. Coaches are going to scream at you, players are going to scream at you, and you're going to be criticized. That's the way it is.

All of this has nothing to do with Terrell Owens, by the way.

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If that person truly feels that way and that person's performance is getting in the way of doing their own job they can go to a superior and talk about it behind closed doors. How is telling the entire nation going to help matters? Oh yeah, it's not. And this is why Owens is on his 100th team now.

I'd just like to know when Owens has "told the entire nation" anything of actual note.

You say that like it's fact, and yet, Owens has only been suspended twice in his entire career. One of them was over freak'n TD celebrations. Bill Walsh threatened to trade him after those.

You probably have no idea of this, given your age, but Owens was known as the consummate team player from 1996-week 4 of 2000. After his celebrations on the star, he was lambasted until the cows came home and being called everything from "selfish" to "the biggest jerk in sports" to "a horrible teammate" to "arrogant" to "a disgrace."

I was there and watched it all. I saw the transformation. You didn't. That's why you're so misled.