I'm not a fan of the direction that the writers took GD. It's less of a fun, quirky show the way this episode went. How many people does Beverly have kidnapped? Just the Astraeus crew? I'm not sure we really needed yet another show reboot. Maybe the writers are hoping for a reprieve.

I was almost going with it until Beverly popped up. I mean, I knew she was in there somewhere because we had seen that, but as a mind control thing? I don't know. I hope they resolve it in the next couple episodes.

Jo and Carter kissing seemed almost incestuous, but I knew that something was up. He didn't greet Alison the same way Henry greeted Grace.

I'm not entirely sure what happened with this show behind the scenes...they had six episodes left, which had already been filmed; Syfy gave them another episode to end it properly; but now they're saying this season will have 14 episodes. So does that mean seven episodes after the "proper ending"?

I'm not entirely sure what happened with this show behind the scenes...they had six episodes left, which had already been filmed; Syfy gave them another episode to end it properly; but now they're saying this season will have 14 episodes. So does that mean seven episodes after the "proper ending"?

This season had already been filmed when the cancellation came down. The 6, not 7 episodes are NEXT season.

Really was enjoying this until the twist ending. Loved the evil Andy. Loved the time jump forward. Not so sure about the virtual land now. Hopefully they'll figure it out soon, but I kind of doubt it. It's not bad exactly, just sort of a cop-out.

Once they had the flashes during Zane's shock to the chest, I knew it was an artificial reality. After that, the "twist ending" wasn't that much of a twist.

I just hope they don't drag it out for too long. I hate artificial reality storylines. It's a whole lot of effort for something that ends up not being real. (I mean "real" in storyline context. I know nothing this show is real. I mean "real to the characters.")

I thought it was interesting seeing the menacing Andys... but the whole tone to the show was all wrong. If there's one thing I like about the show, it's that no matter what, the feeling is always at least partially light-hearted, and I didn't get that at all from this episode, and I don't get that from a plot line involving Beverly kidnapping half the town. I want the goofier, more light-hearted Eureka back.

Is the whole town mind controlled into submission? it seemed so until we got to Carter, Henry and even Vincent who seemed not to be. By that I mean, not the happy face that Whil Wheaton and others had. It was what they were trying for with Henry and Grace but I wondered why it hadn't been done to Henry yet. These questions we asked during the commercials when we decided it must be a dream or something. It didn't all add up right.

Is the whole town mind controlled into submission? it seemed so until we got to Carter, Henry and even Vincent who seemed not to be. By that I mean, not the happy face that Whil Wheaton and others had. It was what they were trying for with Henry and Grace but I wondered why it hadn't been done to Henry yet. These questions we asked during the commercials when we decided it must be a dream or something. It didn't all add up right.

Deputy Andy needed a goatee to be evil Andy.

I'm pretty sure that the only people Beverly has inside her VR simulator are the Astreaus crew. You have to remember that everything and everyone else is a construct serving Beverly's evil plan. Within that construct what happened was that the DoD put the AI's in charge of Eureka, and doing so made a lot of people decide to quit. Before they were allowed to leave GD, they had an "Exit interview" with Andy, after which they decided to stay on (because Andy used the Universal Mind Control Device). So people like Carter and Vincent (who weren't GD employees), never got the UMCD treatment and therefore were suspicious of the AI's motives.

The real question is, why go through the ruse with the mind control/sedation scenario in the first place, when Beverly already had them under full control? She could have just simulated a split second trip, and had the crew back at their old posts in Eureka, if all she wanted was to harvest the results of their work.

Aside from the fact that the show writers needed something to happen that excited the viewers and get them hooked with the twist, maybe the point was to get them off the planetary exploration project, which she couldn't profit from?

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I'm guessing that Beverley is attempting to harvest confidential information from them. By creating fake circumstances where they will break their loyalty to GD.

After all, in their minds, it's 2015/6 and most likely the information that Beverley seeks relates to something that is due to happen between now and then, so revealing it shouldn't matter, if their situation was real.

Also, how old is Jenna in the real Eureka world? The virtual Jenna appears to be a lot older than real Jenna + 4.

In crreating the new reality 4 years down the road, Beverly created a way to explain away any inconsistencies they Kay see between real life and the br reality. She needs them to solve some problem that would be hard to explain in reality, but by introducing all the changes to their life, She both threw them off balance and trained them to expect that there will be changes to their lives that seem incongruous with what they knew

She basically introduced them to a world where the problem will be slipped into reality and wont seem as abnormal. In fact, she inserted AI versions of the crew's loved ones will act differently than normal without raising their suspicion.

The thing that bothered me while i was watching the episode was that no one seemed to be really concerned with why the ship launched on it's own and what happened to the crew and where they were for 4 years. They didn't seem to be doing much of an investigation or anything and it was just like ok your back and just try to slip back into your life.
Even once the twist was revealed it was still odd that none of the crew seemed to be very interested in what happened to them and why 4 years had passed.

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Ad me to the "this made no sense at all" crowd. But I'll give them a couple of episodes to get back on track. Now, if they spend the whole season in mind control, I am going to be very disappointed.

Also, Beverly's people seem to have technologies more advanced than GD. Not sure why they need the GD people at all.

I started to agree with you and then thought, it may seem they are more advanced, but really they are just being open about using technology that GD wouldn't use because of government regulations and more importantly, the ethics and morals behind using something like that.

I will say, I watched this again last night and it was sad to see Carter not really happy and there not be an 'aha' moment where he stumbles thru what to do to solve the problem or asks "and that means what?" after Henry or Alison explain stuff and not have him tell Sarah to get him a beer. His Jeep did get smushed though. That's something.

...It would make more sense if she has a specific problem that needs creative genius to be solved, and Beverley is going to use their minds to solve the problem.

I can see this, BUT the flaw in this is self evident, given the situation they are in. She gives them some real problem that she needs their creative intellect to solve. They work on it, and given the scope of such any problem complex enough to require the entire steal-the-ship-and-crew scheme, they will run experiemnts as steps to the solution. Those experiments are not run in reality, but in simulation, so their outcome isn't REAL, and any conclusions based on a neuro-simulation are completely untrustworthy. The only possibe work-around to this is if they can monitor the people closely enough for Bev's guys to run the experiments in reality that the crew run in simuation, and insert the real results back into the simulation.

That seems like a lot of work. Solving the problem itself would be a lt of work too, so why not do that, and not bother kidnapping the crew? Are they THAT irreplaceable?

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