Failed drug test and refusal on dac report

mickeyinlasvegas in Corona, California said: YOU LOSE EVERYTHING YOU WORKED AND CARED ABOUT. YOU TRY AND DO EVERYTHING RIGHT. GO TO SAP/DOT PROGRAM. GET A RETURN TO DUTY. NOBODY WILL HIRE YOU BECAUSE "YOU ARE A RISK" YOU TRY AND DO IT RIGHT BUT THE SCUM ARE OUT THERE TO USE!!!! YOU !!!. WE HAVE A LEASE PROGRAM. (THATS A WASTE) YOU END UP NOT ONLY MESSING UP YOUR DAC WORSE. YOU GO BROKE AND LOSE EVERYTHING YOU TRIED TO SAVE. IT'S NOT JUST WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!
i HAVE AN IDEA. HOW MANY DRIVERS HAVE SEEN EMPTY WHISKEY, BEER BOTTLES LAYING IN THE BACK OF TRUCKSTOPS????? LET'S WAKE UP WITH A HANGOVER. START THAT BIG TRUCK UP AND GO DOWN THE HIGHWAY WITH A BIG HANGOVER. MASSIVE HEADACHE. DEHYDRAYED DRIVING THAT BIG TRUCK DOWN THE HIGHWAY. HELL YAH. IT'S ALL LEGAL BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE TRACED IN A WEEK OR TWO. WHAT A SYSTEM.
MAKE THE SYSTEM FAIR. DO A SWAB IN THE MOUTH. IT SHOWS ANYTHING TAKEN IN THE LAST 24HOURS. OH HOW ABOUT A BLOOD TEST?? 72 HOURS. HELL NO. I WANT YOUR PISS. 30 DAYS. NO EFFECT WHAT SO EVER ON YOUR DRIVING AT ALL. OH BETTER YET I WANT A HAIR SAMPLE. YEAH THAT'S BETTER. SIX MONTHS? A YEAR?
SOMETHING NOTS RIGHT HERE. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME. OH NEVER MIND OVER 60% OF AMERICANS SMOKE MARIJUANA. 16 STATES HAVE MEDICAL MARIJUANA. WAKE T.F.U. AMERICA

I just don't get why so many think it's ok to do drugs and drink while on the road.They pass a company drug test so what,then they think they'll be good to go for at least a yr.You never know,you be be subject to another test once you get back to the terminal.Then if you have a preventable accident that requires fixing of the trk and/or trl,you're going to have to report that to your company immediately unless you want to use your own money to pay for it.But your company still may find out and the first thing you'll have to do is go to safety then they'll make you take a drug tests and get you a room till the next day while waiting for the results.

dacfix in Dallas, Texas said: Addiction is not considered a disability and it is not basis for a lawsuit under federal guidelines. The company has the right to hire someone who has completed an SAP course but an SAP class is not a promise you will get hired.

Office of Vocational Rehabilitation
They rehabilitate people with disabilities and even paid for my buddy's trucking school at Transport Tech. Which, happened to be for drug and alcohol. They in fact, wouldn't of paid for his schooling if it wasn't considered. I'm going through OVR myself for refusing my second DUI test and one count of simple possession of marijuana, for respiratory therapy call them and ask them, if you don't believe me or that other guy.

Mary English in Birmingham, Alabama said: I am currently looking for a job in trucking. Back in 2005 I was smoking Mary Jane and came up dirty with swift and my brother refused to test on a pre employment test for swift. I completed the SAP program and went to get help with my problem with weed. I've been clean now for 4 years. My question is can I get a second chance at driving with a failed drug test or refusal on DAC report after 5 years or should I just turn in my cdl's and get regular class c licenses to drive my car and go on to another career. Majority of people I talk to say keep them and keep my medical card current. But when I go to fill out an online application those questions are there about have you ever failed or refused a drug test and it does not specify the time frame. If anybody can clarify this for me and tell me some trucking companies to apply to email me at ajr3473@yahoo.com

This just happend to me they say after a period of time like a dui.you can get a job or the company stops reporting you what i dont understand is swift i work there too i faild a drug test and if i go to rehab what is the difference if i tell them i have a drug,alcohol,pills problem or if they catch me either way you have a problem. they wont hire you back even if you complete rehab if they catch you frist another reason why swift sucks.

Mary English in Birmingham, Alabama said: I am currently looking for a job in trucking. Back in 2005 I was smoking Mary Jane and came up dirty with swift and my brother refused to test on a pre employment test for swift. I completed the SAP program and went to get help with my problem with weed. I've been clean now for 4 years. My question is can I get a second chance at driving with a failed drug test or refusal on DAC report after 5 years or should I just turn in my cdl's and get regular class c licenses to drive my car and go on to another career. Majority of people I talk to say keep them and keep my medical card current. But when I go to fill out an online application those questions are there about have you ever failed or refused a drug test and it does not specify the time frame. If anybody can clarify this for me and tell me some trucking companies to apply to email me at ajr3473@yahoo.com

This just happend to me they say after a period of time like a dui.you can get a job or the company stops reporting you what i dont understand is swift i work there too i faild a drug test and if i go to rehab what is the difference if i tell them i have a drug,alcohol,pills problem or if they catch me either way you have a problem. they wont hire you back even if you complete rehab if they catch you frist another reason why swift sucks.

shadowchaser in Franklin, Kentucky said: I was working for a very small company out west and came home after 7 weeks out for holidays, I smoked the day I got home. The next day they told me I would have to take a random, I actually passed the random, then I decided as long as I was home I would apply for a job that was closer to home the day after I applied they called me to take drug screen but I had left town for the holidays, so I took the test 1 week after I had passed the random, and didn't hear anything back. So I left back out for the company out west and turned my truck in and as I was driving the 1000 miles back home expecting to go to work for the company I had done the preemployment test with I was called by lab and told I failed the pre employment screening. Does that mean now since I was not working for that company and had already quit the other that it will prevent me from applying to another small company for cdl job? Any input on this would be greatly appreciated

This all depends agian on the companies you are aplying for and if they use dac. reports or there companies rules SOME WELL SOME WONT. good day CDL man.

shadowchaser in Franklin, Kentucky said: I was working for a very small company out west and came home after 7 weeks out for holidays, I smoked the day I got home. The next day they told me I would have to take a random, I actually passed the random, then I decided as long as I was home I would apply for a job that was closer to home the day after I applied they called me to take drug screen but I had left town for the holidays, so I took the test 1 week after I had passed the random, and didn't hear anything back. So I left back out for the company out west and turned my truck in and as I was driving the 1000 miles back home expecting to go to work for the company I had done the preemployment test with I was called by lab and told I failed the pre employment screening. Does that mean now since I was not working for that company and had already quit the other that it will prevent me from applying to another small company for cdl job? Any input on this would be greatly appreciated

3 months old but i see somebody replied so I will too.You better hope that company u failed the drug test does not use dac.Many companies will not hire ever a driver that failed a drug test and can't say that I blame them.

dos eny one know what the diffrece between a supivise conviction and a conviction means? i pulled my MVR for IL and sence i had my CDL at the time of my DUI it gos on there as a supervised convition i have been told by my lawer that if i did not have a CDL at the time it would not be on there. so im left scraching my head. and im told that on job apps that if asked if i have plead guilty to a misdumener i have to answer yes but that if it ask if i was convicted i say no i can get my CDL back in 19 days do i even bother?????? ive read every thing u guys have put up and i think im just guna look at a forklift and the inside of trailers for the next 3 to 5 years eny help under standing this would be a great help. keep the shiny side up and the rubber side down

JohnS in Denver, Colorado said: It is not the first time a company has lied...if you are telling the truth, then it sounds like your company reported you for failing a random drug test, and reported it to dac and DOT. When it comes to dac, compaines are not really held accountable, they seem to have run of the mill, and I have seen no lawsuits of making false statements...I doubt you will find an attorney to help you either..
how will you prove that you say is true? This is how trucking compaines get away with this, it is simply their word against yours...since there is no real
proof, paperwork, then you are screwed like so many other fallen (former)
truck drivers...our govt does not seem to care about the abuse...
it does not matter to them that you are now not hireable (forever!)

You can get rehired it needs to clear off dac. Though threes yrs or longer maybe 7yrs you must take the SAP program though some companies say they have a 10yr check it may still show . What sucks is the companies dont except the SAP program that's for DOT and you. Like I could pull in to walmart and send a drug results once a week for 10 month or so What up with that is that clean enough ? Com on CB holder.

I was on seasonal layoff, subject to recall, I accepted an offered toke of MJ.
The next day (a friday) my dispatcher calls me and gives me advanced notice of a
ramdom drug the next Monday (a 'heads up' on a random is illegal).
I quit by mail, (I did not report in - no contact at all!)
I was NOT given official notice to report to test site and there was no refusal.

1 I don't know my status!
2 WOULD A GOVERNMENT AGENCY GIVE ME NOTICE OF A VIOLATION?
3 It be on DMV print out?

lapazleo said: Yeah right accidently ate them cookies.No such thing as medical marijuana.Quit making excuses.I've heard them all before.We don't need the likes of you in the trucking industry.Drug screening should be tighter not looser.We got enough problems in trucking with out potheads and dopers.

I had 5 month layoffs, yet they would call me in for work, but would get test notification instead. As long as I am not working, it should be none of their business.

pete 379 in Wheaton, Illinois said: dos eny one know what the diffrece between a supivise conviction and a conviction means? i pulled my MVR for IL and sence i had my CDL at the time of my DUI it gos on there as a supervised convition i have been told by my lawer that if i did not have a CDL at the time it would not be on there. so im left scraching my head. and im told that on job apps that if asked if i have plead guilty to a misdumener i have to answer yes but that if it ask if i was convicted i say no i can get my CDL back in 19 days do i even bother?????? ive read every thing u guys have put up and i think im just guna look at a forklift and the inside of trailers for the next 3 to 5 years eny help under standing this would be a great help. keep the shiny side up and the rubber side down

pete 379 in Wheaton, Illinois said: dos eny one know what the diffrece between a supivise conviction and a conviction means? i pulled my MVR for IL and sence i had my CDL at the time of my DUI it gos on there as a supervised convition i have been told by my lawer that if i did not have a CDL at the time it would not be on there. so im left scraching my head. and im told that on job apps that if asked if i have plead guilty to a misdumener i have to answer yes but that if it ask if i was convicted i say no i can get my CDL back in 19 days do i even bother?????? ive read every thing u guys have put up and i think im just guna look at a forklift and the inside of trailers for the next 3 to 5 years eny help under standing this would be a great help. keep the shiny side up and the rubber side down

rickyd007 in Victorville, California said: I HAVE ? I FAILED PRE EMPLOYMENT TEST NOW SOME OF THE OID COMPANIES I WAS GOING TO GO TO ARE STALL THERE THAY AII HAVE RAN MY DAC CAN I STALL TAKE THERE OFFER.NOW ON MY DAC THE COMPANIE I FAILED IS THERE BUT NOTHING ABOUT THE TEST WHAT ABOUT THAT JUST ASKING A ?

If that company is on the dac. There is a good chance that the fail is on there also. If it is per DOT you will have to talk with a SAP. Substance abuse professional. Maybe they did not report it, the company you failed with. Read the reason they gave for your seperation. Be careful.

pete 379 in Wheaton, Illinois said: dos eny one know what the diffrece between a supivise conviction and a conviction means? i pulled my MVR for IL and sence i had my CDL at the time of my DUI it gos on there as a supervised convition i have been told by my lawer that if i did not have a CDL at the time it would not be on there. so im left scraching my head. and im told that on job apps that if asked if i have plead guilty to a misdumener i have to answer yes but that if it ask if i was convicted i say no i can get my CDL back in 19 days do i even bother?????? ive read every thing u guys have put up and i think im just guna look at a forklift and the inside of trailers for the next 3 to 5 years eny help under standing this would be a great help. keep the shiny side up and the rubber side down

NCPete379 in Newton, North Carolina said: i failed a pre employment drug test for Tango, in Shreveport, LA..i dont do drugs, i just eat bread with sesame seeds in it..its part of my diet that my doctor told me to do..i am taking my SAP class, and i need to know if there is an OTR company that will give me a second chance..i live in North Carolina

Sesame seeds will hardly show up as "not passed" on any drug test. Maybe you are talking about poppy seeds (????)

I JUST GOT MY RESULTS BACK FOR A DOT RANDOM DRUG TEST AND FAILED. IT WAS NOT WORTH LOSINMY JOB AND CAREER. IF YOU ARE DOING DRUGS PLEASE QUIT, I LOST MY FAMILY MESS MY LIFE UP. DONT BE STUPID LIKE ME QUIT NOW!!

patriciajnsn in Sioux City, Iowa said: Why do you pot smokers smoke after choosing this career?Do you think once you pass the test during orientation you're home free and will never get tested again?

Yeah, you are another one who is clean as a baby, never have done anything illegal, and know everything better than all of us combined. Let me tell you something.....you can snort, shoot, drink...cocaine, heroin, LSD, Meth, alcohol and so on, and that sh** is out of the system in 48 - 72 hours (you heard that right!), but if you smoke weed, which is grown by GOD, is good for your health (supresses asthma attacks, helps with the pain from radiation and chemo, is a natural antioxidant, speeds the healing of wounds...), is non-addictive, is a natural herbal medicine for MANY people, and so on, people are screwed because this is the ONLY HARMLESS drug that will stay in your system for up to 30 days. I think it's about time to start THC drug tests that only show the results for THC for the past 48 to 72 hours. So before all you "I'm so innocent" people open your mouth, maybe you should consider ALL the facts ! What that THC drug test is basically saying is...don't smoke weed because it stays in your body too long, but...you can take heroin, crack, cocaine, LSD, meth...because you only need about 3 days to clean up. That really makes sense...(????). No, it doesn't make sense - this crap is absolutely bull****! What I do in my own home, on my own time, as an adult, should be solely my problem. But hey...drink alcohol, it is so much better for you...yeah right!

SAP= Substance Abuse Professional. This is a professional who has to give you drug counseling if you ever failed a drugtest or got a DUI/DWI. They have to be DOT certified. So if you ever get into this situation, make sure they are DOT certified, otherwise DOT will not accept your treatment!!!!!!

Alcohol is the worst drug there is...I don't see people stop using that. Just because it is legal (alcohol should NOT be legal!!!) doesn't mean it is the better choice. If an adult wants to use drugs, it is his/her choice. As long as they don't use it and/or are still stoned while in the truck or at work, I could care the heck less. I say legalize them all and give tests that determine whether someone just recently (within the past 24 hours) took them or not. Believe me, there are much worse prescription meds out there, than any drug on the market. Next time, try a prescription heart medicine and see what it does to you. But hold on to something because you will be "swept" off your feet.

roadrunnerCA in Stockton, California said:CDL plus DUI is a career killer - dead and buried.

Not necessarily. I hate it when ppl only see the dark side of the moon. Dude, try it with an O/O and especially one that is older and would appreciate being home more often. You may have to drive for lower pay, but that's still better than no driving job at all. Look around in your neighborhood and see if you cannot find trucks sitting around in the yard. Knock on the doors and talk to the ppl. Be honest and sincere. Maybe drive out to the country side and look for log truck owners. Tell them you are for hire if they need a driver. Give 'em your business card. There are many routes you can take to get back into driving. The smaller trucking outfits are much more willing to hire you (and they are the better companies anyways).

dliski in Roscommon, Michigan said: I have been working for a small company now and enjoy it I have a five year plan and thats get enough loanes to get my own truck and trailer. I almost got a year of experience since failing for warner. I dont really have the desire to work for the big companies anymore but I will apply in 3 years when I am off the dack how can those companys known I failes if I am off the dack.

Your reference is the catch you tell them where you been after it comes off your dac. you need to get hired and builed new reference one chance to field theres to many years waiting for a new job and thats for companies that will hire you again it hurts failing a test all those years for nothing. Take care its hard be a party animal like me and get away with it time to low down down town.

hey I just recently as in today was booted from ffex training academy for a dirty ua I don't have y codling or permit it literally just started I pissed Monday and they told me today I has to leave for failing drugtest for marijuana although I've been clean for fifty three days can I apply to a new school or is my chances at a career pretty much in the toilet? please help me I want nothing more then to drive truck I'm devastated

OK I so didn't spell worth a crap! ffe transportation driver training booted moday for a failed ua. the classes. started. Monday I pissed and tested positive. for marijuana. I don't even have my permit or cdl can I start a new school and try again or am I s.o.l

Mary English in Birmingham, Alabama said: I am currently looking for a job in trucking. Back in 2005 I was smoking Mary Jane and came up dirty with swift and my brother refused to test on a pre employment test for swift. I completed the SAP program and went to get help with my problem with weed. I've been clean now for 4 years. My question is can I get a second chance at driving with a failed drug test or refusal on DAC report after 5 years or should I just turn in my cdl 's and get regular class c licenses to drive my car and go on to another career. Majority of people I talk to say keep them and keep my medical card current. But when I go to fill out an online application those questions are there about have you ever failed or refused a drug test and it does not specify the time frame. If anybody can clarify this for me and tell me some trucking companies to apply to email me at ajr3473@yahoo.com

Yes, there are companies that will hire you with this being over 5 years old. Providing that you have been doing something productive with your time during that period.

If you have no way to verify how you spent your time during that period, it will present a challenge for you but you may still be able to find a trucking job.

J Brooks in Livonia, Michigan said: I JUST GOT MY RESULTS BACK FOR A DOT RANDOM DRUG TEST AND FAILED. IT WAS NOT WORTH LOSINMY JOB AND CAREER. IF YOU ARE DOING DRUGS PLEASE QUIT, I LOST MY FAMILY MESS MY LIFE UP. DONT BE STUPID LIKE ME QUIT NOW!!

J, thanks for thinking enough about your peers to post this notice for them to heed. May things turn for the better for you.

floormanshine3 in South Point, Ohio said: I failed a random and am unclear about the laws in ohio concerning cdl 's. Can anyone fill me in, please?

You have to find a S.A.P.- take 8 hours mental health class stay with S.A.P. for yr in that yr you can try to get another job a company can not refuse to hirer you that is against the law if you have a S.A.P or you can sue them

Kingmojo52 in Mckinney, Texas said: All I can say about this issue is that I think it is unfair. I understand the companies side to a point, but where do they get off making you and me feel like because we made a mistake, that we are no good for the rest of our lives.
President Bush did cocaine, but was allowed to ruin this country for eight years. President Clinton smoked pot, but he did not inhale, right. But truck drivers are penalized for the rest of our lives. That is B.S. and we need to do something about this on going B.S. situation. I am sure that most of us are telling the truth about our situations, soe aren't. But we are being treated as liars. You did it so you must do it all the time. That is the way we are being treated. I did it at my class reunion after party, but not since. So am I a pot head? Am I abusing pot? No. No. I will not give D>O>T any more of my money. I say F^^k trucking.

I failed a pre employment drug test in orientation. some companies have approved me and only one has denied me and some kind of way was able to find it.
it was not on my psp nor dac...It has been a wake up call and I am tired of being treated like a second class citizen with my cdl...throwing my towel in...but I have realize that u may be able to get a local job, they normally dont pull dac and psp

I smoked pot and failed a random back in 2010. To the person who said, "Why do you pot smokers smoke after choosing this career? Do you think once you pass the test during orientation you're home free and will never get tested again?"

Some people make mistakes. "You Pot smokers" Whatever. I'd still smoke it if it were legal and didn't affect my career. It's fun.

My question is why do some people have to frequent failed drug test forums and be self righteous jerks? Maybe it's "your" high.

I have been working as a CDL driver since May of 2012 and have one more supervised random to go. To correct a few mistakes on this page of the thread.

1. You cannot "sue" a company for them failing to use you while you are in a SAP program. Each company has the right to dictate their own policy on drug use. You could only sue them for discrimination if they allow someone else to complete the program and not you. That is discrimination. If they are zero tolerance, they have that right.

2. Whether it is on your DAC or not, it is still a failed random and you are disqualified to drive UNTIL you successfully complete the return to duty process. Not in 2 years, or 5 years - repeat, UNTIL YOU COMPLETE THE RETURN TO DUTY PROCESS.

If you lie, get a job and kill somebody - you will be at fault if they dig that failed random up.

Once you complete the return to duty process ( and this requires employment and a year of follow up testing ) you do not have to disclose your failed random after the 2 year window is shut. So, let's say you work for an O/O and put in 2 years and want to go to a major company, the failed random does not have to be mentioned as long as it's been over 2 years.

patriciajnsn in Sioux City, Iowa said: Best thing to do is lay off the drugs then you have nothing to worry about when given a random.Companies give arandom when you got hurt on the job.I just had a random 2 weeks ago.Keep that in mine for all you druggies.

Keep that in mind, perhaps? Some of us ex- "druggies" can still proofread.

You obviously enjoy sitting on your high horse while urging people not to get high. Chew on that one for a while.

Please continue on with the obvious advice. Or better yet, why don't you encourage people in a positive way instead of insulting and berating them?

BTW, I've had 7 drug tests in the last 10 months. Didn't get hurt either, it's just what I signed up for.

I need to find out, if possible or and how to access a DAC. I am also curious if a pre employment drug screen for a cdldrivers position would show up on a dac if the applicant was not hired. My brother is in a bad way looking for a job, the weekend before his orientation at a new company his date thought he was two tense and "mickied" his food. Not knowing this he proceeded with plans and failed his screening process. Neither of us are drug users we both work in or around heavy transpirtation it is just not worth the risks. Pleas help if you have any useful information.

You need to go through a substance abuse evaluation with a DOT certified SAP. Failed drug tests can show up on backgrounds checks and failure to disclose positive test results are subject to a substantial DOT fine. I am currently working with an individual who didn't disclose a violation and drove and ultimately was discovered and is currently facing a $10,000 fine. Trying to avoid dealing with the issue is a mistake.

Azoth1 in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma said: he is already been through SAP, we are now trying to figure out the next step.

You should have received a follow-up evaluation from the SAP which states that he is compliant and eligible to return to safety sensitive duty. You need to disclose the violation and present the compliance letter. I understand from individuals that I have evaluated that the major trucking firms will not hire until 2yrs have passed from the incident. They have had to take jobs with smaller firms. Good luck R Harelson PsyD,SAP

I would like to advise you to take up DAC report which contains your complete professional driver job history including accidents/incidents, MVR record, drug/alcohol test history, plus criminal history.

Mary English in Birmingham, Alabama said: I am currently looking for a job in trucking. Back in 2005 I was smoking Mary Jane and came up dirty with swift and my brother refused to test on a pre employment test for swift. I completed the SAP program and went to get help with my problem with weed. I've been clean now for 4 years. My question is can I get a second chance at driving with a failed drug test or refusal on DAC report after 5 years or should I just turn in my cdl 's and get regular class c licenses to drive my car and go on to another career. Majority of people I talk to say keep them and keep my medical card current. But when I go to fill out an online application those questions are there about have you ever failed or refused a drug test and it does not specify the time frame. If anybody can clarify this for me and tell me some trucking companies to apply to email me at ajr3473@yahoo.com

I am in the same position. I'm having a really difficult time although I learned that USA trucking will hire you after five years