Island Nucklehead wrote:I'm thinking this thread has run it's course. 75% is saying FUCK NO to that trade is a pretty sizable majority of us that want nothing to do with Horvat+6th for 1st overall.

If you think so, then you are also welcome to abstain from further participation. As long as the the Canucks are still in the mix to move up for the pick, this thread is relevant.

As for the Poll results itself, given the number of alleged socks that were running around on the forum before the sock hunter terminated them, I think I would take the results with a grain of salt.

In all honesty, I would be giddy like a weight challenged adolescent kid at an AYCE buffet restaurant if Linden's Army goes "All IN" and offers your prized Bo + the 6th on a platter for the 1st overall pick and it gets accepted by Tallon:

Not for the fact that I want to see Bo go since I rate him highly, but to read the reaction from the fans that are too emotionally invested vis-a-vis unproven prospects. Now, if you were family or personal friends of said individual, I could understand that, but I take it you're just a fan overvaluing one of "your own."

Betamax wrote:As for the Poll results itself, given the number of alleged socks that were running around on the forum before the sock hunter terminated them, I think I would take the results with a grain of salt.

Oh, I already do: I'm guessing 7 of the votes in favour came from your various personalities.

Not for the fact that I want to see Bo go since I rate him highly, but to read the reaction from the fans

Betamax wrote:As for the Poll results itself, given the number of alleged socks that were running around on the forum before the sock hunter terminated them, I think I would take the results with a grain of salt.

Oh, I already do: I'm guessing 7 of the votes in favour came from your various personalities.

Let's see, The Cory was the reigning Team MVP, in his prime of his career, beat out the former franchise goalie who had a "lifetime contract" for the starting goalie job (the most important position in hockey) and he gets traded for just one asset back -- an unproven but decent prospect that isn't "can't miss."

I say that's looking at things in a rational manner.

And it's pretty sad that you're in favour of the Canucks making a poor trade just to watch other fans suffer. Congrats, you're the Asshole of the Month.

How do you know it will end up being a "poor" trade if those are the pieces that get the deal done? I posed the question to an independent prospect expert, Corey Pronman, and he stated he thought that was a "reasonable" offer for the pick. Not excessive and he did mention that the Panthers might want even a "little bit bit more."

For reference:

Betamax wrote:Okay, I asked THE question of how reasonable an offer a Horvat + 6th for the 2014 1st overall pick is to an independent third party that gets paid to analyze the top prospects ....

Corey Pronman @coreypronman

bio:

NHL writer for ESPN. I write about prospects and stuff. I'm also sarcastic. cpronman [at] gmail. Views expressed are the correct ones. I don't do player comps.

Betamax wrote:Let's see, The Cory was the reigning Team MVP, in his prime of his career, beat out the former franchise goalie who had a "lifetime contract" for the starting goalie job (the most important position in hockey) and he gets traded for just one asset back -- an unproven but decent prospect that isn't "can't miss."

Oh ffs, even Eddie Suckage Lack beat out the Living Legend for the starting goalie job!

Betamax wrote:Let's see, The Cory was the reigning Team MVP, in his prime of his career, beat out the former franchise goalie who had a "lifetime contract" for the starting goalie job (the most important position in hockey) and he gets traded for just one asset back -- an unproven but decent prospect that isn't "can't miss."

Oh ffs, even Eddie Suckage Lack beat out the Living Legend for the starting goalie job!

duh, at least they are or will be part of the NHL. You can't say the same with your man Torts' ....... who basically thought Lack was going to provide what Cory did when he became the de facto no. 1. The results after Lu was gone writes for itself.

Betamax wrote:duh, at least they are or will be part of the NHL. You can't say the same with your man Torts' ....... who basically thought Lack was going to provide what Cory did when he became the de facto no. 1. The results after Lu was gone writes for itself.

UMMMMM.... how would YOU know what Torts "thought"?

And POINT WAS if prima donna (Italian for "first lady") Lou is going to have a hissy fit at every turn...

Well he can go fuck himself up the ass in Florida with a red-hot poker says I.

Hey Doc, you miss those boxed wines from the great Port Moody vineyard - Andres wines? I bet you were throwing that shit down your gullet like it was going out of style back when you lived across the street from Clark Park

"I just want to say one word to you. Just one word. Are you listening? - Plastics." - The Graduate

RoyalDude wrote:Hey Doc, you miss those boxed wines from the great Port Moody vineyard - Andres wines? I bet you were throwing that shit down your gullet like it was going out of style back when you lived across the street from Clark Park

Holy fuck Dood, get a grip, a guy wouldn't survive back in the hood, back in the day, drinking wine!!

Wasn't til I got to Abby that I got into the wine... just trying to fit in.

Does wine really come in boxes??

Cuz yeah, you keep saying that.

Are ya holed up in the bathroom with the laptop and a bottle of whiskey again big guy?

Betamax wrote:Let's see, The Cory was the reigning Team MVP, in his prime of his career, beat out the former franchise goalie who had a "lifetime contract" for the starting goalie job (the most important position in hockey) and he gets traded for just one asset back -- an unproven but decent prospect that isn't "can't miss."

I have to say I agree with you there BM. What the team ultimately paid for Horvat was such a huge investment and gamble ... your'e right. He is far from "can't miss" but dangerously close to "can't fail."

The biggest criticism of GMMG so far is having two of the best goalies in the league one year, and less than a year later having two rookie goalies, a depth center, and an unproven rookie to show for it.

If somehow, GMJB could turn that into a first overall pick then the loss of #1 and #35 don't seem as bad. That being said ... fan's perception means squat and results on the ice mean everything. As we said from day #1 with both Lou and Schneider's deals ... we won't know who really wins the trades for years to come.

Betamax wrote:Let's see, The Cory was the reigning Team MVP, in his prime of his career, beat out the former franchise goalie who had a "lifetime contract" for the starting goalie job (the most important position in hockey) and he gets traded for just one asset back -- an unproven but decent prospect that isn't "can't miss."

I have to say I agree with you there BM. What the team ultimately paid for Horvat was such a huge investment and gamble ... your'e right. He is far from "can't miss" but dangerously close to "can't fail."

The biggest criticism of GMMG so far is having two of the best goalies in the league one year, and less than a year later having two rookie goalies, a depth center, and an unproven rookie to show for it.

If somehow, GMJB could turn that into a first overall pick then the loss of #1 and #35 don't seem as bad. That being said ... fan's perception means squat and results on the ice mean everything. As we said from day #1 with both Lou and Schneider's deals ... we won't know who really wins the trades for years to come.

Yeah, as Jimmy Hughson stated on TEAM Radio this morning, the fact that they have talked to Miller is a clear indicator that they aren't completely sold on Lack being a a true No. 1 franchise goalie. Given the small sample size, that's perfectly reasonable line of of thinking.

However, instead of Miller, I'd go with another vet that you could acquire or sign on a short term deal, just in case Lack emerges as a "true No. 1 franchise goalie."

Some options are MAF, perhaps as part of a Kesler deal with Pit where they also acquire Pouliot. Then the Pens sign a Miller who would be there to win a Stanley Cup.

I've thought about this a lot and while I think it's a smart idea to go after a true center piece to build around like Sam Reinhart, ultimately I hope we don't pull the trigger and keep what we have.

My reasons are very simple. It seems that whenever we give up high profile prospects before they've matured it comes back to haunt us (Peca, Umberger, Hodgson, Grabner,..dare I say Neely). If we don't make the move and Reinhart goes on to have a greater career than the guys we kept and drafted, I don't think many of us will look back and regret not making the trade. If we do make the trade, not only do we have to hold our breaths on Bo or Hunter we have to do it with the guy we could have had at 6th…and not to mention Ekblad - you have the 1st overall, you better pick the right guy.

I just don't want to spend the next decade weighing Sam against those other options. Stick with the devil you know.

So, DCMP was in the house @TEAM1040 and his take was that he would do a Shinkaruk + 6th overall + roster player (he mentioned Hansen) for the 1st overall.

I disagree and I am of the belief that they should retain Shinkaruk and offer either Jensen or Horvat over my guy Hunter who was also interviewed on the station and said he's now at 100% health.

Anyway, he also mentioned, maybe they should go after the No. 2 pick and try to make a deal with the Sabres, since it seems like every other team that going for No. 1 is going after Ekblad. He talked about GMJB's history with the Sabres but I'm not sure how relevant it is today, since there has been an ownership change and complete chance in their management team.

Betamax wrote:So, DCMP was in the house @TEAM1040 and his take was that he would do a Shinkaruk + 6th overall + roster player (he mentioned Hansen) for the 1st overall.

I disagree and I am of the belief that they should retain Shinkaruk and offer either Jensen or Horvat over my guy Hunter who was also interviewed on the station and said he's now at 100% health.

Anyway, he also mentioned, maybe they should go after the No. 2 pick and try to make a deal with the Sabres, since it seems like every other team that going for No. 1 is going after Ekblad. He talked about GMJB's history with the Sabres but I'm not sure how relevant it is today, since there has been an ownership change and complete chance in their management team.

Fuck it, give them Edler+6th for number 2. We keep Tanev, still get Reinhart. They get Edler to re-team with Ehrhoff.

Your boner-buddy Shrinkwrap stays in Van-City, we keep Horvat. Everyone wins. (Except Edler, who has to waive, to go to Buffalo. Yeah...........)