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What I’m try­ing artic­u­late here is that there is a real­ly fine bal­ance between how do you spur and invig­o­rate inno­va­tion, and then also address secu­ri­ty at the same time. Because one can­not drown out the oth­er. Because you’re going to have all kinds of issues.

Where we meet the pub­lic mat­ters. A pub­lic lec­ture deliv­ered by a vis­it­ing aca­d­e­m­ic in a uni­ver­si­ty lec­ture the­atre is very dif­fer­ent to that same lec­ture being deliv­ered in a gen­uine pub­lic space, be that vir­tu­al or actu­al.