Mass intentions, private Masses, Mass celebrated by one Priest for himself are activities to separate believers from the Mass, separate Mass from the believers, separate clergy from laity and laity from clergy. These are heretic practises.

Mass intentions, private Masses, Mass celebrated by one Priest for himself are activities to separate believers from the Mass, separate Mass from the believers, separate clergy from laity and laity from clergy. These are heretic practises.

But isn't it customary to celebrate liturgies on specific anniversaries of people's death? Sounds like Mass intention for me albeit in a not so developed form as in the Roman church.

Mass intentions, private Masses, Mass celebrated by one Priest for himself are activities to separate believers from the Mass, separate Mass from the believers, separate clergy from laity and laity from clergy. These are heretic practises.

I've understood that some schemamonks celebrate liturgies on their own.

They shouldn't.

It is impossible to pray the liturgy on your own. You are ALWAYS invisibly surrounded by a great cloud of witnesses, to include the angels and saints of God. Some schemamonks do celebrate the liturgy without other, visible, persons present, but there isn't anything inherently wrong with this. Even some saints have been known to do this. If I'm not mistaken (and, by the way, this is what I gathered from a thread elsewhere on the board that touched on the issue), the whole idea that a priest isn't to celebrate the liturgy without others present is derived from the actual prohibition on private liturgies in the sense of liturgies that the priest keeps anyone else from attending.

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At my parish priests do a litany of the departed every Sunday (twice as we have 2 Sunday Liturgies).

Mass intentions, as someone stated, involves doing the liturgy "for" someone or something. Commemorating and praying for someone during a liturgy is not doing the liturgy "for" someone. Someone is being included in the normal liturgy.

RC's will have a "mass for christian unity" or something like that.

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if Christ does and says x. And someone else does and says not x and you are ever in doubt, follow Christ.

At my parish priests do a litany of the departed every Sunday (twice as we have 2 Sunday Liturgies).

Oh my! I read on wikipedia that saturdays were for the departed and having two liturgies in the same day is just soo... catholic......... (I'm just teasing Mike).

See, Mike you have many of the same traditions in Poland that we have in our churches here.That I am serious about. Ok, we don't do that two liturgy thing because we don't have enough people in most of our parishes though.

More than one priest, separate antimensions, separate altars (we have 2 Churches on 2 storeys in one building) or there is a table placed put that is used as an altar. There are parishes that have 3 Sunday Liturgies.

Litany for the departed every Liturgy is a mine parish's custom. I don't see it anywhere else.

More than one priest, separate antimensions, separate altars (we have 2 Churches on 2 storeys in one building) or there is a table placed put that is used as an altar. There are parishes that have 3 Sunday Liturgies.

Litany for the departed every Liturgy is a mine parish's custom. I don't see it anywhere else.

Usually we'd do a panachida on Sunday. I wish we had enough people to have that many liturgies. Even in our big cities the biggest parishes are under 2000 people in membership.

Having a mass specifically for the repose of a particular soul would be an example, if I am understanding the concept correctly. The mass is offered specifically on behalf of that person, specifically for his or her benefit.

Contrast the above with commemorating a soul during the liturgy and making certain supplications for its salvation, deliverance, &c.

Having a mass specifically for the repose of a particular soul would be an example, if I am understanding the concept correctly. The mass is offered specifically on behalf of that person, specifically for his or her benefit.

Contrast the above with commemorating a soul during the liturgy and making certain supplications for its salvation, deliverance, &c.

I do not believe they are the same.

"On behalf of Joe, for Joe."

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if Christ does and says x. And someone else does and says not x and you are ever in doubt, follow Christ.

Mass intentions, private Masses, Mass celebrated by one Priest for himself are activities to separate believers from the Mass, separate Mass from the believers, separate clergy from laity and laity from clergy. These are heretic practises.

Do not ordination, vestments, and the iconostasis separate clergy from laity?

It would be heretical to say you must have a congregation to say a Mass/Liturgy. I'm not sure how anyone could say a priest saying Mass under any circumstances, given that he is properly disposed, not deceptive, and per the precepts of the Church, is a sin.

Having a mass specifically for the repose of a particular soul would be an example, if I am understanding the concept correctly. The mass is offered specifically on behalf of that person, specifically for his or her benefit.

Contrast the above with commemorating a soul during the liturgy and making certain supplications for its salvation, deliverance, &c.

I do not believe they are the same.

Hmmm, weird. I've never heard of it....

PP

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"I confidently affirm that whoever calls himself Universal Bishop is the precursor of Antichrist"Gregory the Great

"Never, never, never let anyone tell you that, in order to be Orthodox, you must also be eastern." St. John Maximovitch, The Wonderworker

I see a lot of different ideas getting mixed up here. Private Masses deserve a seperate thread. In Catholic Canon Law every priest is encouraged to say the Mass daily (aliturgical days excepted) and is seen to have the right to do so, even if there is no pastoral need, However it is expected that he will be assited by one server. "Where two or three are gatehred in my name..."

Votive Masses are also a seperate thread. On a Ferial day the celebrating priest has the right to choose the Mass Propers. For example, he could say a Mas in honor of the Mother of God. That is what a Mass for Chrsitian Unity would fall under.

I would say "in all and for all" is an accurate description of what the Catholic Church teaches. Since it is Christ who offers and is offered the fruits of the Mass are infinite and of course the entire, Church, living and departed, is commerated and benefits at every Mass/Liturgy. However, some are mentioned generally and other specifically. Those mentioned specifically may be mentioned aloud or quitely during the dyptychs or during a litany or in the Byzantine tradition during the Proskomede.

The faithful may also make an offering with a request for a commemoration. Catholic Canon Law forbids a priest from accepting more than one offering per day. The diocesan bishop sets the customary amount of offering but a priest is obviously not deny the request of those to poor to make an offering. It is this rule that seems to have created the idea among the misinformed that a Mass benefits a single person soley because an offering was made. The rule is in place to prevent priests from getting rich by accepting offerings they have no ability or intention of fulfilling. The priest can commemorate as many people as he chooses, but he can only accept one offering and he must commemorate those for whom the offering was made.

An excellent site for one or two monks to celebrate holy qurbana for a special intention.

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"and for all who are Orthodox, and who hold the Catholic and Apostolic Faith, remember, O Lord, thy servants" - yet the post-conciliar RC hierarchy is tolerant of everyone and everything... except Catholic Tradition, for modernists are as salt with no taste, to be “thrown out and trampled under foot

The Collect/Opening Prayer, Secret/Prayer Over the Gifts, and Post-Communion/Prayer after Communion could be taken from the common of the Mother of God rather than those assigned for weekdays in Ordinary time.

To compare to the Byzantine rite, it would be like a priest taking the troparion and kontakion of a selected saint rather than one actually on the calendar for that day.