The Elephant in the Room - Atheist Nexus2018-02-22T04:44:46Zhttp://atheistnexus.org/forum/topics/the-elephant-in-the-room?groupUrl=originsuniverselifehumankindanddarwin&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noElephant 1: It seems to me he…tag:atheistnexus.org,2011-09-08:2182797:Comment:16217402011-09-08T16:16:39.405ZJoshua Billingsleyhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/JoshuaBillingsley533
Elephant 1: It seems to me he is saying that the repression felt by blacks is bleeding over into the poor communities. The reason blacks have historically mobbed and rioted is that there was such a suppressed rage from their day to day lives that given the spark it overflowed. I think his point is good and valid. The overclass has treated blacks like a different form of life for a long time and few non-blacks really understand this. I grew up in a black neighborhood and am always so surprised…
Elephant 1: It seems to me he is saying that the repression felt by blacks is bleeding over into the poor communities. The reason blacks have historically mobbed and rioted is that there was such a suppressed rage from their day to day lives that given the spark it overflowed. I think his point is good and valid. The overclass has treated blacks like a different form of life for a long time and few non-blacks really understand this. I grew up in a black neighborhood and am always so surprised by my white friends who do not see the thousands of tiny slights blacks are subject to on a daily basis. I think Starkey may have been saying that there are now non-blacks who are feeling the same kind of thing and are acting in kind.<br />
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Elephant 2: My right to stretch my arm ends where the other person's nose begins. You may think children dressed all slutty is bad and I would agree. That has no baring on the actions of those around them. Perhaps some social shunning to move away from the behavior you feel is inappropriate, but that is all you can do. There are drawbacks to living in a semi-free society. As an explanation we can say that a person put themselves in a bad situation. There is a difference between an explanation and an excuse. Dressing like a slut may make you more likely to be sexually abused, but in no way excuses the behavior of a person acting like a fucking savage!!!<br />
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Why is it that every time I try to find explanations people see excuse making? Should you allow the sexualization of your children? NO! Seems like a bad idea. But if you do that does not give some asshole the right to take advantage of a child.<br />
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Elephant 3: See Elephant 2<br />
If women want to over sexualize themselves to point out that it does not make it right to abuse them, rock on! And this is why they call it…tag:atheistnexus.org,2011-08-24:2182797:Comment:15728452011-08-24T20:09:49.482ZMarc Dracohttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/MarcDraco
And this is why they call it a stiff breeze... Lol.<br />
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I'll get me coat.
And this is why they call it a stiff breeze... Lol.<br />
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I'll get me coat. I have two 14 year old grand…tag:atheistnexus.org,2011-08-24:2182797:Comment:15723572011-08-24T19:18:26.357ZJim DePaulohttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/carver
<p>I have two 14 year old grand daughters that are both knockouts and a 12 year old that soon will be. I keep thinking of my own hormone saturated teenage years ( distant memories that they are) and all I can do is cringe.</p>
<p>At my age any nubile young thing attracted to me would have some significant mental issues.</p>
<p>I have two 14 year old grand daughters that are both knockouts and a 12 year old that soon will be. I keep thinking of my own hormone saturated teenage years ( distant memories that they are) and all I can do is cringe.</p>
<p>At my age any nubile young thing attracted to me would have some significant mental issues.</p> Of course I simplified it and…tag:atheistnexus.org,2011-08-23:2182797:Comment:15674542011-08-23T15:21:48.263ZRudy V Kiisthttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/RudyVKiist
<p>Of course I simplified it and there's more factors behind it. I did that on purpose. Sometimes...well most of the time, when you over think things, one can cloud the issue. Like your definition of "natural". The way you state it, EVERYTHING anything does is natural. Fancy houses, cars, computers...all built by an animal (us) and is therefor natural. In a way that is correct. Not the "definition" I was referring to.</p>
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<p>And for the record, just about everything you mentioned about…</p>
<p>Of course I simplified it and there's more factors behind it. I did that on purpose. Sometimes...well most of the time, when you over think things, one can cloud the issue. Like your definition of "natural". The way you state it, EVERYTHING anything does is natural. Fancy houses, cars, computers...all built by an animal (us) and is therefor natural. In a way that is correct. Not the "definition" I was referring to.</p>
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<p>And for the record, just about everything you mentioned about the dog applies to humans. Humans can be trained and our personalities are affected by things like abuse, how they are treated, whether they have enough food, where they stand in the "pack", etc. And if you were to purposely do genetic breeding with humans, even our "breeding" would affect our behavior. For the most part though, human races (oriental, African, white) are so large and diverse it's not a factor. Again, purposeful genetic PLANNED breeding is needed for that.</p>
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<p>So if we want to go back to "my definition" of natural, in nature, if you get deviants like murderers and rapists (whether that be human, chimps or wolves), they are generally eliminated from a social group. No matter the reason. It's simply a matter of survival of the group.</p> OK, I've been thinking about…tag:atheistnexus.org,2011-08-23:2182797:Comment:15667292011-08-23T05:11:15.135ZRudy V Kiisthttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/RudyVKiist
<p>OK, I've been thinking about it more. You asked if "he was wrong". The answer is yes. I'm a man of science and logic and because of that I know the actions of a black person or any other race has more to do with the lifestyle, condition, situation they happen to be in at the time. Has nothing to do with race. Religion and belief system? Sure, but again, that's independent.</p>
<p>Is he racist? Most likely...not much more to say than that.</p>
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<p>As far as the other points? Don't…</p>
<p>OK, I've been thinking about it more. You asked if "he was wrong". The answer is yes. I'm a man of science and logic and because of that I know the actions of a black person or any other race has more to do with the lifestyle, condition, situation they happen to be in at the time. Has nothing to do with race. Religion and belief system? Sure, but again, that's independent.</p>
<p>Is he racist? Most likely...not much more to say than that.</p>
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<p>As far as the other points? Don't take any offense, but the whole premise is plain silly. As in let's take it further. Let's say your opinion pissed me off to the point I track you down and kill you out of anger. Or my neighbour gets a nicer car and I steal it out of jealousy. Does that mean you shouldn't be allowed to express your opinion? Or my neighbour isn't allowed to make more or own nicer things than me because we "are just animals"? No, makes no sense. If a women wants to walk around topless here or a woman wants to expose her face (while wearing a turtle neck) in the Middle East, men should be able to control themselves and their "urges" no matter the circumstance...or suffer the consequences. The only exception is not our "animal urges", because again...they're not. It's simply what we're used to...not nature. Of course there is religious/beliefs reasons, but well, I'm atheist and don't accept that as an excuse. (^_^)</p> Now after re reading my origi…tag:atheistnexus.org,2011-08-23:2182797:Comment:15662412011-08-23T03:18:14.356ZMadison Burnetthttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/MadisonBurnett
<p>Now after re reading my original response to your comment I have to doubly apologize. You are correct and I was wrong in assuming what you were inferring, however the first question in my second comment does still stand, because if that is not the group you were talking about than what group was?</p>
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<p>I was simply trying to state that there is much more to the culture than what you stated as it being. :-)</p>
<p>Now after re reading my original response to your comment I have to doubly apologize. You are correct and I was wrong in assuming what you were inferring, however the first question in my second comment does still stand, because if that is not the group you were talking about than what group was?</p>
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<p>I was simply trying to state that there is much more to the culture than what you stated as it being. :-)</p> No offense, but I wasn't awar…tag:atheistnexus.org,2011-08-23:2182797:Comment:15662402011-08-23T03:07:34.091ZMadison Burnetthttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/MadisonBurnett
No offense, but I wasn't aware that saying whites are turning black is a form of "gangsta" language.
No offense, but I wasn't aware that saying whites are turning black is a form of "gangsta" language. The black culture we all know…tag:atheistnexus.org,2011-08-23:2182797:Comment:15663282011-08-23T03:06:10.228ZMadison Burnetthttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/MadisonBurnett
<blockquote>The black culture we all know about (but sometimes are afraid to talk honestly about because we don't want to appear racist)</blockquote>
I do apologize because I wasn't meaning offense and perhaps should not have tried to infer what you were stating, but with that quote would you mind informing me what it was you were exactly trying to say. My understanding from that is that you were speaking about all non mainland Africans. I could very well be wrong, but in that case would you…
<blockquote>The black culture we all know about (but sometimes are afraid to talk honestly about because we don't want to appear racist)</blockquote>
I do apologize because I wasn't meaning offense and perhaps should not have tried to infer what you were stating, but with that quote would you mind informing me what it was you were exactly trying to say. My understanding from that is that you were speaking about all non mainland Africans. I could very well be wrong, but in that case would you mind clarifying for me. I have no knowledge of your personal knowledge on that subject, but it seems that maybe you should make sure you are understanding what you're typing and trying to convey before assuming that those who are reading are not able to understand what you are saying.<br/> Not quite what I was getting…tag:atheistnexus.org,2011-08-23:2182797:Comment:15662222011-08-23T02:16:17.978ZRudy V Kiisthttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/RudyVKiist
<p>Not quite what I was getting at Marc. You talk about turning back to our original animal instincts? Well we'd all be naked then. Where does that put the dressing provocatively theory? I love to have a few drinks. I've never had the urge to "rape" a woman. Turned on? Hell yeah! But don't need drinks for that. Has it occurred to you it's more of a learned response as opposed to a natural one? Going back to a dog analogy...a dog that is trained to attack is just that...it's TRAINED to. It's…</p>
<p>Not quite what I was getting at Marc. You talk about turning back to our original animal instincts? Well we'd all be naked then. Where does that put the dressing provocatively theory? I love to have a few drinks. I've never had the urge to "rape" a woman. Turned on? Hell yeah! But don't need drinks for that. Has it occurred to you it's more of a learned response as opposed to a natural one? Going back to a dog analogy...a dog that is trained to attack is just that...it's TRAINED to. It's not it's "natural instinct". Yes it might guard it's territory, pups, or fight over food, but it can be trained to do many "unnatural" things. I'd put forward, raping a scantily clad woman is NOT natural or going back to our "ape days". It's a taught behavior (the lack of respect and empathy), possibly subconsciously in many instances and therefor why it is more common with drunks. In fact, I'd go as far to say empathy IS our natural instinct being social creatures...even when drunk. And being a "social animal", it's something that should and can be "unlearned". If dogs can do it (and bears, and monkeys, and parrots, and crows, and......), I'm sure we can. Btw, I've bred dogs and male dogs don't breed til the bitch lets them.</p>
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<p>And I'd like to add, I'm very much in favor of the max penalty for guys who do that, because, well...I like girls who are scantly clad and if they can't do it safely, they're less likely to do it (^_-).</p> Dress to a teenager is one of…tag:atheistnexus.org,2011-08-22:2182797:Comment:15647062011-08-22T22:36:11.950ZJim DePaulohttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/carver
<p>Dress to a teenager is one of the few ways they have to express their individuality and for the most part it's harmless. I taught high school for 30 years and can tell you high school girl's dress can test a heterosexual male's will to the max - any male that tells you that they don't find them desirable is either gay or lying through his teeth. <br></br>Despite their comeliness the law says statutory rape – their dress, regardless of its provocativeness, is not invitation - nor is it for an…</p>
<p>Dress to a teenager is one of the few ways they have to express their individuality and for the most part it's harmless. I taught high school for 30 years and can tell you high school girl's dress can test a heterosexual male's will to the max - any male that tells you that they don't find them desirable is either gay or lying through his teeth. <br/>Despite their comeliness the law says statutory rape – their dress, regardless of its provocativeness, is not invitation - nor is it for an adult woman.</p>