I like how I proved you wrong, and you call me a troll. Please focus on your study's and stop ditching class. Someone let the kids out early it seems today?

Not to mention whats the point of a better I5 and a higher rez screen when you cant take full advantage of it. Can I play games on higher rez settings nope, can I do video editing any better, not really........ So I see the many benefits. Also again I was just asked to find you a I5 in a tablet and I did.

ah well that's a completely different story. if msata, of course i'd get the 64gb version and upgrade to 256 as well. i just assumed it's not user replaceable memory, in which case i stand by original statement that $200 is worth it - at least for me - for double the memory.

Still a ripoff. Lenovo got it right at that sub-$600 price point. Otherwise, good luck competing with the iPad and the cheaper Android tablets. I see the Surface Pro flopping. 3.5 hour battery life doesn't cut it.

That is just the first link I could find that shows how fail the HD4000 is. There are many more that just show bad integrated intel is. Also as I mentioned before I was tasked with finding a I5 in a tablet and I did. As for most people who get these types of tablets they wont see a difference in performance between the asus and the surface. Cause we all know that web surfing and watching youtube requires the best of specs.

Well coming from someone who has actually used both instead of just pulling up links, I can tell you that there is no comparison between the Pro and the Asus. A more fair comparison would be the Samsung series slate which debuted at $1199. If you are upset about microsoft charging $899 for a intel 4000, you should be irate that the MacBook Air, Macbook Pro, Sony duo 11, and the Samsung ativ 700t all have the exact same card while priced higher than the Pro.

Still a ripoff. Lenovo got it right at that sub-$600 price point. Otherwise, good luck competing with the iPad and the cheaper Android tablets. I see the Surface Pro flopping. 3.5 hour battery life doesn't cut it.

Jesus, how many times does it have to be said. THIS ISNT COMPARABLE TO A FREAKING ANDROID OR IPAD OR WINDOWS RT tablet.

This is comparable to the other ultra books ... which guess what .. cost around 1000 dollars for similar specs.

I like how I proved you wrong, and you call me a troll. Please focus on your study's and stop ditching class. Someone let the kids out early it seems today?

Not to mention whats the point of a better I5 and a higher rez screen when you cant take full advantage of it. Can I play games on higher rez settings nope, can I do video editing any better, not really........ So I see the many benefits. Also again I was just asked to find you a I5 in a tablet and I did.

I think you're the one who comes off as a whiny immature kid. Not everyone who buys a Surface Pro buys it for gaming. Nor for browsing and youtube. People with jobs who use computers for more than just gaming will find the added specs a definite bonus. Photoshop CS5 loads up in under 5 seconds and works like a dream, as do a number of other productivity apps. Having the stylus for taking notes, USB 3.0, SD card, etc and not to mention the higher resolution screen are all great features that people can and will appreciate and make use of. The higher res screen is not even something to argue about, unless you have your dumbass world view where everything is judged by its performance or lack thereof for gaming.

If anything, higher resolution is far more beneficial for productivity applications/ browsing than it is for gaming.

ah well that's a completely different story. if msata, of course i'd get the 64gb version and upgrade to 256 as well. i just assumed it's not user replaceable memory, in which case i stand by original statement that $200 is worth it - at least for me - for double the memory.

Double "storage". However 64gb extra of storage for $200.................I dunno. I could see if microsd and usb were not onboard. Removable storage will be more practical, as I said many wont have 30gb in programs...........So even if its not msata, I still disagree. Msata just makes it a bigger no no. However if you will fill 64gb with programs and os, and its not msata, then you have no choice. Very very very small amout of people that concerns.

lol, Gaming at 30-60fps is not considered "gaming"? The only thing that will outperform this and is on the same level as this device would be the Razer Edge, set to cost around $1,300+, not to mention accessories for it are also extremely expensive. Not that I wouldn't rather have that, but LOL, you're funny bro. Surface Pro, from what I can tell will be an IT guy's best friend.

Unless your playing old games the only way your going to be gaming on 30-60fps is with low setting and 1366X768 rez for the screen rez. Someone mentioned batman game earlier in the postings and how they could play it on decent settings. I showed them the exact settings that would make the game playable and they were low. If you scroll up you can see the link I posted in there. So that mutes the point of having a High rez screen except for more desktop space, and also mutes the point of it being a I5 when all it can achieve is low settings and old game.

That is just the first link I could find that shows how fail the HD4000 is. There are many more that just show bad integrated intel is.

And here's one[anandtech.com] showing how decent it can be. It even compares quad core Ivy Bridge to dual core ultra low voltage (ULV) Ivy Bridges, which is what the Surface Pro uses. They were able to run Arkham City on medium settings at 32fps, and Portal 2 at 52. They do mention that updated drivers helped tremendously, and since your link is from April while mine is from June, it's entirely possible that your link is outdated due to updated drivers.

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Also as I mentioned before I was tasked with finding a I5 in a tablet and I did.

Actually, you were comparing top of the line Android tablets at $600 to the Surface Pro at $900. You said, and I quote:

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When they drop to around $600 then I will be interested. If they can make top of the line android tabs for that price, they should be able to make windows tab for that price too.

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You were then asked to find an Android tab with an i5, which you haven't done. You found a last-gen, refurbished/used tablet with an i5, not a top of the line tablet, which is what you said goes for $600. We're still waiting.

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As for most people who get these types of tablets they wont see a difference in performance between the asus and the surface. Cause we all know that web surfing and watching youtube requires the best of specs.

If someone is using the Surface Pro for that, then they're buying way more than they need to. The Surface Pro is for people who want a tablet with PC functionality, an ultraportable PC, something they can install full versions of Window's software on, not for surfing and Youtubing.

What is the point of a high powered i5 Windows based tablet vs. an utlraportable?

Is there any benefit of doing things you'd want to do on an ultraportable/laptop vs. on a touch interface tablet? I get that it's more portable, but otherwise, what Windows software truly takes advantage of the touch interface? Most Windows based programs that I use work best with a keyboard and mouse. I'm currently not aware of many uses for the Surface over a laptop besides the cool factor, especially anything requiring an i5, but I'm sure someone can fill me in.

Unless your playing old games the only way your going to be gaming on 30-60fps is with low setting and 1366X768 rez for the screen rez. Someone mentioned batman game earlier in the postings and how they could play it on decent settings. I showed them the exact settings that would make the game playable and they were low. If you scroll up you can see the link I posted in there. So that mutes the point of having a High rez screen except for more desktop space, and also mutes the point of it being a I5 when all it can achieve is low settings and old game.

Yes, the Surface Pro is not a gaming machine. Not everyone buys ultrabooks/tablets/laptops to game. People do other, more productive shit on computers. Understand this and deal with it. And take a break from your video games kid.

What is the point of a high powered i5 Windows based tablet vs. an utlraportable?

Is there any benefit of doing things you'd want to do on an ultraportable/laptop vs. on a touch interface tablet? I get that it's more portable, but otherwise, what Windows software truly takes advantage of the touch interface? Most Windows based programs that I use work best with a keyboard and mouse. I'm currently not aware of many uses for the Surface over a laptop besides the cool factor, especially anything requiring an i5, but I'm sure someone can fill me in.

I'm not trying to stir up trouble, I'm just wondering. Thanks.

eh. all it does is remove the "keyboard" portion of the ultrabook and moves it to the screen. so it's helpful if you do stuff that doesn't need the keyboard all the time.
I can do a lot of my work without a keyboard and mouse. but I don't need the portability, so I'm not getting one.

this is a niche product, and as clearly demonstrated by this thread most people don't need one.

What is the point of a high powered i5 Windows based tablet vs. an utlraportable?

Is there any benefit of doing things you'd want to do on an ultraportable/laptop vs. on a touch interface tablet? I get that it's more portable, but otherwise, what Windows software truly takes advantage of the touch interface? Most Windows based programs that I use work best with a keyboard and mouse. I'm currently not aware of many uses for the Surface over a laptop besides the cool factor, especially anything requiring an i5, but I'm sure someone can fill me in.

I'm not trying to stir up trouble, I'm just wondering. Thanks.

Its 100% for the portability. The thing is 2 lbs .. very light for a ultra book. And the form factor is smaller. So its easy enough to carry it with you everywhere. Use it while walking etc

Someone that wants the portability of a tablet, but wants to still be able to run full pc apps without a second device.

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