DON'T TRADE OUR 1 unless it is for a top pairing guy coming back which Bogosian isn't.

We could really get a nice pick this year so let's not throw another one away. Time for re tooling was after our last SC final now it is time for a real rebuild don't want to see us looking for shortterm fixes just to make the playoffs.

Just look at some retooling teams they are trapped in mediocrity.

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Not a bad trade but I think Nyquist will be better than Kane in 3-5 years... and as much as I want Bogosian, Staurt is a huge reason I would be in on that trade... The guy is a hitting and shot blocking machine, which we desperately need...

DON'T TRADE OUR 1 unless it is for a top pairing guy coming back which Bogosian isn't.

We could really get a nice pick this year so let's not throw another one away. Time for re tooling was after our last SC final now it is time for a real rebuild don't want to see us looking for shortterm fixes just to make the playoffs.

Just look at some retooling teams they are trapped in mediocrity.

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I think Bogosian is definitely worth our 1st round pick...

I read the thread title and thought Vinny Prospal had been traded.

Sorry, typo... As well as Huskins... not Hunkins...

great thread. i'm sure winnipeg wants our trash for their good players.

This isnt NHL13. You cant throw 5 mediocre players into a trade to make it seem equal to get a really good player.

I think this trade is very even but I'd also throw in Joey MacDonald to back up Ondrej Pavelec... What else would we need to give up? Bogo isn't worth any more than White, Kindl and a first is he? Stuart isn't worth much more than Quincey, Mursak, Tatar and MacDonald is he?...

winnipeg GM: "man, that kyle quincey is looking really good. and only a 3.75 million cap hit? i wonder what we would have to give up to pry him out of detroit?"

I doubt Cheveldayoff is thinking that and yeah Quincey had a rough 2 games to start the season but he played really well lastnight against Dallas. He shook off the rust like most players and he made some good plays and did an outstanding job on the 2 on 1 to break up the pass and negate a sure goal. He's not as bad as most fans make him out to be.

"Not a bad trade but I think Nyquist will be better than Kane in 3-5 years... and as much as I want Bogosian, Staurt is a huge reason I would be in on that trade... The guy is a hitting and shot blocking machine, which we desperately need..."

I wouldn't mind Stuart, but my biggest concern with him is that he hasn't traditionally logged a lot of minutes. I want a bona fide top 4 defenseman who can play 20+ minutes a game. Stuart has never done that. Could he? I don't know, but given the option, if I were going to target a tough, shot blocking, shutdown d-man I'd target somoene who has played big minutes. Volchenkov or Regehr most notably.

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Just look at some retooling teams they are trapped in mediocrity.<br />
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The time for retooling was after our last Stanley Cup? Lol, yeah, that 2008-09 Red Wings squad was straight garbage that had no shot at repeating. I sure wish we had started 'retooling' then instead!

DON'T TRADE OUR 1 unless it is for a top pairing guy coming back which Bogosian isn't.

We could really get a nice pick this year so let's not throw another one away. Time for re tooling was after our last SC final now it is time for a real rebuild don't want to see us looking for shortterm fixes just to make the playoffs.

Just look at some retooling teams they are trapped in mediocrity.

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Bogosian is 22 and Kane is 21. If you land either of those guys they ARE your future. No matter who you take with a high pick, it's not likely that the person will give you 30 goals (Kane) or 22 minutes of ice time a night (Bogosian). This is a no brainer move for us, and could probably be sold to Winnipeg given their lack of offense, depth at defense, and need for picks.

Bogosian is 22 and Kane is 21. If you land either of those guys they ARE your future. No matter who you take with a high pick, it's not likely that the person will give you 30 goals (Kane) or 22 minutes of ice time a night (Bogosian). This is a no brainer move for us, and could probably be sold to Winnipeg given their lack of offense, depth at defense, and need for picks.

One of the two is known to be a special - note troublemaking and not very likable person in the lockerroom -personality the other one would cost us way more than the initial proposal and at that point he is not worth it. Also keep in mind Cheyeldayoff would never accept that.

Mursak, Kindl, Tatar and Quincey this is a package where other GMs would ask for something in return for taking them. Trash for quality just doesn't work in the real hockeyworld. Only the first round pick and White do bring some value but for sure not enough to get Bogosian and personally I'd rathewr hold on to the pick if things are going south might be a top 5 one so a big change for starting the rebuild.

The time for retooling was after our last Stanley Cup? Lol, yeah, that 2008-09 Red Wings squad was straight garbage that had no shot at repeating. I sure wish we had started 'retooling' then instead!

Oh -I just now saw the word 'final.' Still disagree.

Do you remembeer Ken Holland talking about the "1 year window" after signing Hossa? The season after that the Wings started to lose firepower constantly sad but true at that time it would have been very wise to start looking for two guys who could have helped to decrease the impact of Nicklas Lidström retiring at some point. I know it is much easier said than accomplished but I think at this point now the time for retooling is over and the team should go for a full rebuild. I also know a lot of people will disagree but hardly a problem with it.

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I'm sorry OP but that is one of the worst trade proposals I've seen. You can't just package 5 s***/mediocre players together and think they'll add up to great value. How often do you see a trade that massive?? Never.
What would be the motivation for Winnipeg in that scenario? What would be in it for then? Nothing.

If we were to trade for D I see New Jersey as a more likely partner. They've got a really deep defense, so deep in fact that Adam Larsson isn't even playing. They haven't really replaced Parise so Franzen/Filpulla + Tatar/Nyquist for example might be interesting to them.

Not a bad trade but I think Nyquist will be better than Kane in 3-5 years... and as much as I want Bogosian, Staurt is a huge reason I would be in on that trade... The guy is a hitting and shot blocking machine, which we desperately need...

I think Bogosian is definitely worth our 1st round pick...

Sorry, typo... As well as Huskins... not Hunkins...

I think this trade is very even but I'd also throw in Joey MacDonald to back up Ondrej Pavelec... What else would we need to give up? Bogo isn't worth any more than White, Kindl and a first is he? Stuart isn't worth much more than Quincey, Mursak, Tatar and MacDonald is he?...

What? Not a chance..Gus has showed minimal flashes so far..the potential is there but not yet