How to Persuade an Atheist to Become Christian - Think Atheist2015-03-31T23:01:34Zhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/how-to-persuade-an-atheist-to-become-christian?commentId=1982180%3AComment%3A1256308&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noThanks - that helps Strega. (…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-10-18:1982180:Comment:13917482013-10-18T19:54:28.641ZReg The Fronkey Farmerhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/RegPerry
<p>Thanks - that helps Strega. (bookmarked)</p>
<p>Thanks - that helps Strega. (bookmarked)</p> @Reg - Ain't nobody got time…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-10-18:1982180:Comment:13914342013-10-18T00:35:53.423ZStregahttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/MzStrega
<p>@Reg - Ain't nobody got time for that!</p>
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<p>@Reg - Ain't nobody got time for that!</p>
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</p> @Strega - I recall a video yo…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-10-17:1982180:Comment:13914252013-10-17T22:51:33.279ZReg The Fronkey Farmerhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/RegPerry
<p>@Strega - I recall a video you posted a few months back about a woman that would just not - No Way - put up with that.....but I can't remember the song title....., Jesus, Jesus, Jesus,</p>
<p>@Strega - I recall a video you posted a few months back about a woman that would just not - No Way - put up with that.....but I can't remember the song title....., Jesus, Jesus, Jesus,</p> I find this can be dangerous.…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-10-17:1982180:Comment:13915112013-10-17T18:31:44.213ZLewalhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/chieflewal
I find this can be dangerous. Because when you're putting it to a Christian girl, sometimes bad things are happening in the back of your head. Yeah maybe there's a little "You're a naughty little Christian, aren't you?" stuff rattling around in there but I think the big one you have to worry about is the "You're a dumb little..." thoughts. Which is to say, as an atheist, am I doing this out of some kind of superiority complex?
I find this can be dangerous. Because when you're putting it to a Christian girl, sometimes bad things are happening in the back of your head. Yeah maybe there's a little "You're a naughty little Christian, aren't you?" stuff rattling around in there but I think the big one you have to worry about is the "You're a dumb little..." thoughts. Which is to say, as an atheist, am I doing this out of some kind of superiority complex? I would like to suggest that…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-10-17:1982180:Comment:13913982013-10-17T15:50:44.216ZJames Coxhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/JamesCox
<p>I would like to suggest that it might be really more like 'viral-MAKING SENSE OUT OF NON-SENSE!'</p>
<p>I have had very interesting, and absorbing projects that I have worked on, with the expectation that I might learn something about the world. Sadly a few have only yielded the result of learning a little about my own cognitive processes, and much less about the initial motivation. Some 'problems/ideas' seem to consist of mostly seduction, where there seems to be some perceived deep value…</p>
<p>I would like to suggest that it might be really more like 'viral-MAKING SENSE OUT OF NON-SENSE!'</p>
<p>I have had very interesting, and absorbing projects that I have worked on, with the expectation that I might learn something about the world. Sadly a few have only yielded the result of learning a little about my own cognitive processes, and much less about the initial motivation. Some 'problems/ideas' seem to consist of mostly seduction, where there seems to be some perceived deep value in its solution/understanding, but the solution pathway seems to consist of ambiquity, poor data, non-numerically expressable variables, or mostly colorful/flowery language!</p>
<p>One example could be my attempt to optimise Dog Racing. I am rather conservative with my $$, but excessively generous with my time. Over the course of about 10 years, with episodic moments of intense work motivated by a new understanding in data analysis and programming, I tried statistical regression, fuzzy logic, genetic algorithms, neural networks, and game theory. None of which seemed to offer any wedge to open up wide the flood gates of cash flow. Neural networks was the only one that might work, but only seemed to offer a break-even model as long as you had atleast a very large three years data set and about two hours a day for data processing! So I learned nothing really about 'how to win at dog raceing', but a great deal about myself and data processing/pattern analysis! </p>
<p>So with this in mind, is there a parallel with the possible 'seduction of religion'? I expect that religion was one of human kinds first attempts to understand nature, and of logic system building. Linking nature with a 'god' as the 'behind the vail' arbitor, and attempting to learn a method to understand the suttle will of that being(s), could be considered a simplistic first attempt at science. Consulting the 'book' for this suttle will, with the asserted truth of this 'book' as the ultimate source of insight, might hold people in a tight closed loop of needyness, the desire for clarity, and intermitent payback as long as the needyness is preserved. The need for socialization and stress reduction in a world of easy death, and seeming constant unhappiness, holds that true believer in an ideological embrace not easily broken, without some degree of personal insight.</p>
<p>With this logically entrapping embrace, the true believer is not even allowed the needed moment of deep personal insight, since doubt is badly received, and human kind's 'sinful naure', is always over played! To excape, the believer needs their moments of deep independence from the ideology, and new questions to test against that confined sub-reality, that the ideology has attempted to create. </p>
<p>When Tim Lahay(Moral Majority period 1980's) titles a book about Humanism and education in the early 80's, The Battle for the Mind', he was quiet right! Sadly Mr. Lahay should have taken his own advice! </p> Yeah, but UU doesn't count ;)…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-10-17:1982180:Comment:13911902013-10-17T13:30:20.468ZRocky Oliver (LotusGeek)http://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/LotusGeek
<p>Yeah, but UU doesn't count ;) You can be both an atheist and an UU; in fact I am both.</p>
<p>I refuse to go into a church and go along with the motions (outside of just being quiet during their prayers and such) as I don't want to be a hypocrite. In fact, I taught RE (Religious Education) for 4 years - as an "out-of-the-closet" atheist. </p>
<p>Yeah, but UU doesn't count ;) You can be both an atheist and an UU; in fact I am both.</p>
<p>I refuse to go into a church and go along with the motions (outside of just being quiet during their prayers and such) as I don't want to be a hypocrite. In fact, I taught RE (Religious Education) for 4 years - as an "out-of-the-closet" atheist. </p> for an atheist
girl: lots of…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-10-17:1982180:Comment:13910832013-10-17T11:05:01.388ZYahwehhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Yaweh
<p>for an atheist</p>
<p>girl: lots of hot guys</p>
<p>guys: lots of hot girls</p>
<p>for an atheist</p>
<p>girl: lots of hot guys</p>
<p>guys: lots of hot girls</p> I think we should take a rath…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-10-17:1982180:Comment:13909822013-10-17T06:56:28.960ZJames Coxhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/JamesCox
<p>I think we should take a rather different tact.</p>
<p>A philosophy prof. once suggested that a proof really rests with the posser, not with a rather disinterested other party.</p>
<p>I suggest that since it is 'their hangup' let them do the real work!</p>
<p>The real reason that they want us to play along is that they need another soul to flatter/validate their belief.</p>
<p>I personally am rather happy that 'god' is not a problem, for me! I can go on, tend my little garden, make love,…</p>
<p>I think we should take a rather different tact.</p>
<p>A philosophy prof. once suggested that a proof really rests with the posser, not with a rather disinterested other party.</p>
<p>I suggest that since it is 'their hangup' let them do the real work!</p>
<p>The real reason that they want us to play along is that they need another soul to flatter/validate their belief.</p>
<p>I personally am rather happy that 'god' is not a problem, for me! I can go on, tend my little garden, make love, appreciate beauty, and try to have an honest, ethical life, without getting all flustered and unsettled by constantly trying to sell some 'product' such as 'god'. I played that game for years, and feel that it was a fool's errand. I quess if I could find the repair manual for the product so it seemed less falty and buggy, it might be easier to atleast entertain it. In reality I just keep getting bugged by people that are gungho and all a flutter about the idea like it is just the newest great thing.</p>
<p>So once again we revisit the 'product', kick the wheels, give the taste one more swirl in our mouths, and maybe take one more bite. Then our head goes into another tizzy, trying to make sense out of it 'ONE MORE TIME', with the hope that it will be 'better' this time! </p> tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-10-17:1982180:Comment:13908712013-10-17T00:49:15.045ZStregahttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/MzStrega
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<p><a target="_self" href="http://api.ning.com:80/files/PITcqz*43RmeHNv1RNWxv2kKtCXC1GQgFRjlxMz0fhfa6d-k55WHaRxJrJhat0yqWdBS6BQCV5Jc5niv*xrEhtRjLsCheJmj/11651_575082055836511_1096006119_n.jpg"><img class="align-full" src="http://api.ning.com:80/files/PITcqz*43RmeHNv1RNWxv2kKtCXC1GQgFRjlxMz0fhfa6d-k55WHaRxJrJhat0yqWdBS6BQCV5Jc5niv*xrEhtRjLsCheJmj/11651_575082055836511_1096006119_n.jpg" width="360"/></a></p> I think the person who wrote…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-10-17:1982180:Comment:13908662013-10-17T00:31:50.779ZBrian Daurellehttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/BrianDaurelle
<p>I think the person who wrote this is a troll, because if you do all of the things he recommends in order to prepare yourself for your encounter with an atheist, you'll end up an atheist.</p>
<p>I think the person who wrote this is a troll, because if you do all of the things he recommends in order to prepare yourself for your encounter with an atheist, you'll end up an atheist.</p>