I have the Pop-products bags and they do ship them. On the other hand I was at the Wakesurf Event at Camp Far West this year and saw the Leadwake bags which were actually a little more compact and had a nice handle on them 50lbs ea as I recall. Either one would work well.

I have used the pop bags, and the lead wakes bags. The lead wakes bags are more compact, due to actually being lead. They are made very well also. The pop bags are cumbersome to move the way you have to "flop" them over as you move them. The lead wakes bags are made much better, the handle is on the top, not the side. So when you pick up you lift from top and just set straight down. The pop bags have to be flopped, and are a pain in comparison.

My experience has been different. I have been using pop bags for six years. Half of them are filled with steel pellets(standard pop bags) and the other half are bags that I bought "naked" and filled with my own lead shot.

They are not cumbersome or a pain to move. I don't have to flop them over to move them.

This thread was A LOT more interesting prior to the censorship police taking control. Grab some tire weights from a local mechanic/tire store, stuff them in a heavy duty bag from Costco, and save yourself the expense of either product.

Pops are okay until i started using leadwake. I live in socal and took my boat to jerad at leadwake. He helped load my boat and took it out to set up my wake. Quality is way better. The bags weigh 10 lbs more but are almost half the size of pops. The leadwake handles are placed way better making moving the bags a lot less cumbersome. Great product. I highly recommend picking up a bunch if ur ever near socal.

I melted down used tire wieghts, and made 230lbs of lead bricks. Each weighs about 45 lbs. The metal clips that attatches the weight to the tire floated, so it was easy to skim them right off the top, for some nice clean molten lead. I made forms and poured them very carefully. Tested them last week, and the edition of them made my wake awesome!! Didn't cost me a dime! (weights were donated to me). Oh yea, I melted them with my turkey fryer. I'll try post some pics later today.

Not sure why lead would drag you down and your 1000 pound engine wouldn't. Just saying.

Its clear to see the difference in what lead weight and water weight would do to a swamp boat. The water weight would become neutrally buoyant but the lead weight would maintain the weight. Clearly their are risk involved and if you think as a company you wont get sued by someone who's boat sinks because they used your lead products you haven't been watching the news.

Adding non buoyant weight to that 1000lbs motor is is pretty dangerous. The amount of natural buoyancy built into the boat, through foam injection, would probably offset a great deal of the motor/trans weight.

I could see where in a competition only environment this risk might be acceptable to the user, but for the weekend warrior such a risk doesn't make sense to me.

Why does Pop Products have such a harsh disclaimer? Because it's unsafe to use their product.

So I happened to visit CMS yesterday, and they are out of the bags but they had one old one they were using as a door stop or something, so I thought I would take a few pics. Keep in mind, this one has been lying around as a door stop, so a bit beat up, but you can see how nice they are and how durable. The lead is denser than the steel shots in pop bags, so they are noticeably heavier than you expect.

@ 92 maristar Most of these boats have no foam injection. If you get a hole in the side it is going down with or without lead or other ballast.

I always knew MC was doing foam injection and the more I read about other manufactures the more I see they all use foam injection to include your Tige'. It seems they have all being using this construction process since about 2005, some even early then that.

so i tried my lead this weekend and was a little disappointed. 1200 in back locker and stock 500 bag in front full, driver and flagger in boat on 05 sanger 215. do i need more people in boat? Where should the lead be placed in the locker?

For comparison, here is what a pop bag looks like. And that bag is like a plastic, not as durable. IMHO.]

Fact #1. The bags are not "like a plastic"

Fact #2. The bags a very durable. Mine are going strong after 6+ years. When I unload them, I drop them to flat on my driveway from the boat while it's on the trailer. No problems at all after all of these years...

i have accumulated 1500lbs of lead ...... 500 lbs of rolled roofing lead in 40lb rolls that i traded for a couple of fishing rigs ...... 540 lbs of the most perfect lead bricks 27lbs a piece that was used as a gamma ray shield commercially at .25 cents a pound .... 450 lbs of super small shot that is a nightmare whenever it gets out anywhere that i paid .25 cents a pound ..... i just ran an ad in craigs list " looking to buy lead " and i got offers from all over

i currently run just 500lbs in the rear locker ...... last year i used about 1040 lbs as i kept 540 under the side seat which i dont do anymore as it frees us up to do more in the boat

ive had and been around boats constantly for over 40 years ..... 30' sportfisher to 15' zodiacs ..... i personally have never seen a boat get swamped into submission or sink ( i had to run a 28' sportfisher on the ramp before because it was full of water, i had a 25' fishing boat take a wave over the bow off pacifica beach and flood the entire cuddy, thanks to the sea deck we were able to motor out of the surf and bail the boat and get home back through the gate )

to have a boating mishap that would completely swamp the boat into submission or sink it outright would be a scary accident for sure and the " accident itself " i have to believe would determine if your boat was to sink or float submerged ....... not the contents of said boat

i believe someone would have to show me that lead would cause your boat to sink ...... pull the plug and launch any boat and see if it floats submerged for any length of time ..... then do the same test with 500lbs of lead in the boat ......

im sure it has to make some sort of difference .....but i have to believe the " accident itself " will dictate what becomes of your boat more so then whats in your boat ..... in my humble opinion!!

i have accumulated 1500lbs of lead ...... 500 lbs of rolled roofing lead in 40lb rolls that i traded for a couple of fishing rigs ...... 540 lbs of the most perfect lead bricks 27lbs a piece that was used as a gamma ray shield commercially at .25 cents a pound .... 450 lbs of super small shot that is a nightmare whenever it gets out anywhere that i paid .25 cents a pound ..... i just ran an ad in craigs list " looking to buy lead " and i got offers from all over

i currently run just 500lbs in the rear locker ...... last year i used about 1040 lbs as i kept 540 under the side seat which i dont do anymore as it frees us up to do more in the boat

ive had and been around boats constantly for over 40 years ..... 30' sportfisher to 15' zodiacs ..... i personally have never seen a boat get swamped into submission or sink ( i had to run a 28' sportfisher on the ramp before because it was full of water, i had a 25' fishing boat take a wave over the bow off pacifica beach and flood the entire cuddy, thanks to the sea deck we were able to motor out of the surf and bail the boat and get home back through the gate )

to have a boating mishap that would completely swamp the boat into submission or sink it outright would be a scary accident for sure and the " accident itself " i have to believe would determine if your boat was to sink or float submerged ....... not the contents of said boat

i believe someone would have to show me that lead would cause your boat to sink ...... pull the plug and launch any boat and see if it floats submerged for any length of time ..... then do the same test with 500lbs of lead in the boat ......

im sure it has to make some sort of difference .....but i have to believe the " accident itself " will dictate what becomes of your boat more so then whats in your boat ..... in my humble opinion!!

While not completely scientific, it is a pretty fair example of the differences of water vs lead ballast.

Ok I wish i had a old boat so we could try and sink it with water, then try again with lead. Well still never know because all boats are different. Shorpy, that makes no sense at all. Ok did the baggie of water weigh the same as the lead? I'm not trying to argue, I just dont believe 250lbs of lead will sink a 23ft boat. Maybe....but I would bet against it. And we all know lead sinks. That is pretty much all the demonstration suggests. Happy boating to ya all, i'm really not a hater. I can agree to disagree....no problem : )

Fact #2. The bags a very durable. Mine are going strong after 6+ years. When I unload them, I drop them to flat on my driveway from the boat while it's on the trailer. No problems at all after all of these years...

Regarding the argument over the safety of lead..Lead should not be a replacement for water ballast. A few 100 lbs works great to dial in the wake. My boat likes weight in the nose and right side for wakeboarding. I can quicly move that weight from the right to left to surf. I hide the bags in the right places so the wake is the way I like it when the ballast is full. Most people that ride with me never know the lead is there.