Horse plus Humans a website and a rescue group they do a great job and are just a wonderful caring and loving group that does the right thing for the horse. Well I just wander how the hell " Scarlet Ohio" a trotter owned by Sugarloaf Marving Raber got all the way out here to a rescue. The horse was going thru a killer sale. The horse was saved by Horse plus humans. This is one real stand up guy a real testament to racing and the State of Ohio needs to step it up on this creep and never allow him to own another animal like Texas and many other States or do all the Ohioens just turn a blind eye to this guy. Their is much power in when a few stand together. Ohio is one of the hearts of Standardbreds and I just cant believe the folks I know from Ohio would let this crap go on.

That's the problem, they need to locate where the trainer is stabling the horse and then have a willing horsemen step up and present the paperwork to the Sheriffs (or whatever they have out there) so they can go and collect the horse.

The USTA is already aware of all this, so any attempt to pass forged papers again is not going to fly....

That's the problem, they need to locate where the trainer is stabling the horse and then have a willing horsemen step up and present the paperwork to the Sheriffs (or whatever they have out there) so they can go and collect the horse.

The USTA is already aware of all this, so any attempt to pass forged papers again is not going to fly....

Not yet....and since he has retained an attorney, Star's owner is in need of the same. So if any law men would be willing to help out, chime in.

I would suggest Wendy get a hold of the guy that use to be Biggest Big Bertha owner the guys helped me out a lot with a real shady ass trainer. The guy is sharp and loves to help owners and he didnt charge me one damn dime. Im sure she know who I mean the guy is the sharp and will help her and knows the ends and outs of the law about racing in almost every state. Weny and her trainer will know exactly who Im talking about.

I must be missing something here. An owner gives a horse away because it is injured and said owner doesnt want to bother keeping the horse(feed, etc). The horse recovers from the injury and instead of being ridden, the new OWNER decides the horse should instead be driven. Now Mr Raber may indeed be a lout and a scoundrel but how does this matter make him so? Then fuzzy, you further villify Raber by accusing him of raising puppies-now thats a real crime-NOT. Keeping the registration papers does not mean that you still own the horse. A gift is a gift. If the previos owner wanted to retain ownership, s/he should have kept and fed the horse. Would it have met your approval if the horse had been used as an eventer-jumps etc? The only crime I see here is your character asassination of Mr Raber. I can only hope he brings a lawsuit against you for this. Pork

I must be missing something here. An owner gives a horse away because it is injured and said owner doesnt want to bother keeping the horse(feed, etc). The horse recovers from the injury and instead of being ridden, the new OWNER decides the horse should instead be driven. Now Mr Raber may indeed be a lout and a scoundrel but how does this matter make him so? Then fuzzy, you further villify Raber by accusing him of raising puppies-now thats a real crime-NOT. Keeping the registration papers does not mean that you still own the horse. A gift is a gift. If the previos owner wanted to retain ownership, s/he should have kept and fed the horse. Would it have met your approval if the horse had been used as an eventer-jumps etc? The only crime I see here is your character asassination of Mr Raber. I can only hope he brings a lawsuit against you for this. Pork

Sorry to offend you hork butt but charecter assination would be calling Raber a human and a horsemen you dumb pile of hog shit.Now kiss my ass and go back to looking at your kiddy porn DA

I must be missing something here. An owner gives a horse away because it is injured and said owner doesnt want to bother keeping the horse(feed, etc). The horse recovers from the injury and instead of being ridden, the new OWNER decides the horse should instead be driven. Now Mr Raber may indeed be a lout and a scoundrel but how does this matter make him so? Then fuzzy, you further villify Raber by accusing him of raising puppies-now thats a real crime-NOT. Keeping the registration papers does not mean that you still own the horse. A gift is a gift. If the previos owner wanted to retain ownership, s/he should have kept and fed the horse. Would it have met your approval if the horse had been used as an eventer-jumps etc? The only crime I see here is your character asassination of Mr Raber. I can only hope he brings a lawsuit against you for this. Pork

Pork, lemme be blunt here. The horse was adopted with the intent of never racing again due to serious injury.

The intent was there to never race again, by being put up for adoption and also by retaining the registration papers. This is the EXACT same thing that Standardbred Retirement Foundation does...here is a couple bullets from the SRF website...just as a reference.

Quote from: SRF website

*Horses adopted from SRF can never be bred, used for embryo transfer, raced, sold, used for commercial purposes, or given away. We are looking for lifetime homes. If for some unforeseen reason an adopter can no longer provide good care for the horse, the horse must be returned to SRF and SRF only. If the adopter knows of an interested new adopter, the horse may NOT be transferred without SRF approval and the new potential adopter must be screened by SRF and a new caregiver contract must be completed prior to movement.*SRF must be notified before a horse moves to a new facility, within ten days of serious injury or illness, and/or in the event of a horse's death/euthanasia.

Oh and get this when you adopt from SRF...

Quote from: SRF website

*SRF asks for an adoption donation which varies on the horse. Generally this is between $350-$750.

Now...defend a guy who ended up with the horse even if his intent was not illegal, once notified he should surrender the horse and take action against whomever swindled him, UNLESS...wait for it....

If he believed he was on the up and up, why would he start a horse that was not in his name?

Most, if not all, owners retain the horse's papers when they are rehomed to prevent this sort of thing from happening. If not for that, lots of well meaning owners would be in this situation.

This was not a matter of the owner not wanting to feed the horse, this was an owner who believed she was finding a forever home for the animal with someone who would enjoy having it. It also was not a horse that they had for years and made a ton of money for them and then was cast off when it was injured, the horse went from the east coast to the west coast, had two starts with the owner and retired. It's unfortunate that we can't all afford to keep each and every horse we train/race/own...so at times new homes need to be found. I'm looking for homes for two horses as we speak, have been "feeding" one for two years and the other for a year and they haven't made ONE DOLLAR for us. It's not that I don't want to feed them, it's the fact they would be better served as family horses where they could be fussed over. If you only have "X" amount of stalls and pasture space, in order to stay in business you have to get rid of the ones that can no longer race...some people choose to put them on the truck and forget about them....some people find them good homes.

Unfortunately in rare cases like this, well meaning people get scammed. And as far as Fuzzy's comment on the puppy mills....look into that subject, it's pretty horrific.

If he believed he was on the up and up, why would he start a horse that was not in his name?

Most, if not all, owners retain the horse's papers when they are rehomed to prevent this sort of thing from happening. If not for that, lots of well meaning owners would be in this situation.

This was not a matter of the owner not wanting to feed the horse, this was an owner who believed she was finding a forever home for the animal with someone who would enjoy having it. It also was not a horse that they had for years and made a ton of money for them and then was cast off when it was injured, the horse went from the east coast to the west coast, had two starts with the owner and retired. It's unfortunate that we can't all afford to keep each and every horse we train/race/own...so at times new homes need to be found. I'm looking for homes for two horses as we speak, have been "feeding" one for two years and the other for a year and they haven't made ONE DOLLAR for us. It's not that I don't want to feed them, it's the fact they would be better served as family horses where they could be fussed over. If you only have "X" amount of stalls and pasture space, in order to stay in business you have to get rid of the ones that can no longer race...some people choose to put them on the truck and forget about them....some people find them good homes.

Unfortunately in rare cases like this, well meaning people get scammed. And as far as Fuzzy's comment on the puppy mills....look into that subject, it's pretty horrific.

Unless the horse was adopted thru SRF and paperwork included, the argument above is worthless. Puppies are no different than other livestock. Just like horses, cattle, goats, they are raised to make a profit. May not be what you approve of, but no different than this horse situation. Perhaps your friend should not have acquired the horse without contingent plans after racing. Appears the horse didnt do well on the track so was dumped. Pork

Unless the horse was adopted thru SRF and paperwork included, the argument above is worthless. Puppies are no different than other livestock. Just like horses, cattle, goats, they are raised to make a profit. May not be what you approve of, but no different than this horse situation. Perhaps your friend should not have acquired the horse without contingent plans after racing. Appears the horse didnt do well on the track so was dumped. Pork

Unless the horse was adopted thru SRF and paperwork included, the argument above is worthless. Puppies are no different than other livestock. Just like horses, cattle, goats, they are raised to make a profit. May not be what you approve of, but no different than this horse situation. Perhaps your friend should not have acquired the horse without contingent plans after racing. Appears the horse didnt do well on the track so was dumped. Pork

The horse wasn't dumped, it fractured it's coffin bone and instead of continuing on with it or putting it in one of the cheap sales, they found what they thought was a good home for it.

I cannot argue with the livestock statements. There are people in this world who believe animals should be treated with respect and then there are those who feel that all animals are just indentured servants to the human race.

This owner is one of the VERY FEW who places her horses after racing instead of Amishing them, running them through the sales, etc. Ask the upper 10% what becomes of their money makers when they are no longer useful, ask the big names out there if they spend their free time searching out homes....

From what you all have presented, I can see no theft. The horse was given,adopted however you wish to phrase it. New ownership was established. The horse no longer belongs to the woman who raced him.Have heard nothing of someone coming and taking the horse without her knowledge and consent. Now murder-where did that come from? Get over it Pork

From what you all have presented, I can see no theft. The horse was given,adopted however you wish to phrase it. New ownership was established. The horse no longer belongs to the woman who raced him.Have heard nothing of someone coming and taking the horse without her knowledge and consent. Now murder-where did that come from? Get over it Pork

they horse was taken on fraudulent purpose and now you say it isnt theft you come on here sounding off like Raber the convicted animal abuser given every animal one foot of space in a trailer is not abuse crashing a 175 animals running on the freeway is not abuse then you act like and defend a common azz POS and has done nothing wrong so where do you fit end to all this hork butt?its obvious to everyone reading this you have a hand in it so now you want to cha cha all around this and create a smoke screen you and seemingly inbred friend could man up show the world you have a pair and just do the right thing by the horse and owner and give the damn horse back oh hell no you come on here acting like a choir boy so next time you and Raber do a little ride in a trailer again I hope you make each othe bothe squeal like a pig you common pos.

You like Raber give the impression you would squeeze the egg out of a dead chicken if you thought you could gwet a nickle for it.

Let me remind you in some STATES when you are a convicted animal abuser you are not allowed to own any more animals.

Also when you have hauled a horse that was take under false pretense you now become accessory to a theft so do the right thing by the horse you penny pinch-en blood sucker give the damn horse back PLEASSE!We will get over it as soon as you return the damn horse until then it aint happen and Raber can an will have more to look forward too.maybe a couple hundre on his door step marchen around like farm animals get my drift chump. Now all we have to do is find out who took the horse from CAlilfornia and it aint going to be that hard.Want to bet its PORK BUTT?Maybe tons of letters to every track he races at oh yes Pork we have alot more waitn in theywings for the return of this horse now why in the hell dont you quit hiden behind a screen name Oh I see cause you got a lot to hide .Now as far as my charecter when in comes to horses and animals you are just about to find out. You DA.

they horse was taken on fraudulent purpose and now you say it isnt theft you come on here sounding off like Raber the convicted animal abuser given every animal one foot of space in a trailer is not abuse crashing a 175 animals running on the freeway is not abuse then you act like and defend a common azz POS and has done nothing wrong so where do you fit end to all this hork butt?its obvious to everyone reading this you have a hand in it so now you want to cha cha all around this and create a smoke screen you and seemingly inbred friend could man up show the world you have a pair and just do the right thing by the horse and owner and give the damn horse back oh hell no you come on here acting like a choir boy so next time you and Raber do a little ride in a trailer again I hope you make each othe bothe squeal like a pig you common pos.

You like Raber give the impression you would squeeze the egg out of a dead chicken if you thought you could gwet a nickle for it.

Let me remind you in some STATES when you are a convicted animal abuser you are not allowed to own any more animals.

Also when you have hauled a horse that was take under false pretense you now become accessory to a theft so do the right thing by the horse you penny pinch-en blood sucker give the damn horse back PLEASSE!We will get over it as soon as you return the damn horse until then it aint happen and Raber can an will have more to look forward too.maybe a couple hundre on his door step marchen around like farm animals get my drift chump. Now all we have to do is find out who took the horse from CAlilfornia and it aint going to be that hard.Want to bet its PORK BUTT?Maybe tons of letters to every track he races at oh yes Pork we have alot more waitn in theywings for the return of this horse now why in the hell dont you quit hiden behind a screen name Oh I see cause you got a lot to hide .Now as far as my charecter when in comes to horses and animals you are just about to find out. You DA.

OK Jerkwad Ive been decent in the face of your vitriol. No more. To clear the air- I have no association with Mr Raber. I merely expressed my opinion about what I read on here. Your threats toward me are totally out of line. I have given away more horses to good homes than you have owned. I have several old mares and horses that are pasture ornaments until they die of natural causes. I actually keep and feed them as opposed to your Friend's dumping. Doubt that you will comprehend this because it appears that you only have two betz cells left that are held together by spirochetes. Ron White applies. Pork