<quoted text>It was quite a while ago now, but it was on TV and it showed Obama, Hilary and a bunch of other people watching the whole thing go down. Obama was starting to waffle and someone or a couple of people(I can't remember their names now, but their names were brought out on the news, put pressure on Obama before he could back out and the deed was done.

From ONE well-known photograph and you surmised all that, all by your little old self? Bull shit! The internet, Fox News and you have one thing in common - y'all can't always be believed.

<quoted text>From ONE well-known photograph and you surmised all that, all by your little old self? Bull shit! The internet, Fox News and you have one thing in common - y'all can't always be believed.https://www.google.com/search...

Don't believe anything you hear, and believe only half of what you see.

<quoted text>Don't believe anything you hear, and believe only half of what you see.

.. and if "facts" are omitted, can't be confirmed through a reliable source or taken out of context, discard the rest of it. When it comes to news (and weather), the idiot tube is just that, for brain-dead idiots!

<quoted text>.. and if "facts" are omitted, can't be confirmed through a reliable source or taken out of context, discard the rest of it. When it comes to news (and weather), the idiot tube is just that, for brain-dead idiots!

Man has the ability to hear, and to speak. Man has two ears, one mouth. They are best used in proportion to each other.

Please keep demonstrating those persuasive skills that enabled those of us with education, teeth,andless than 23 assault weapons or 116 MREs in our bunker,to have captured the majority of votes cast for the presidency and congress.

When the educated, informed, tolerant majority overcomes the Republican cheating called "Gerrymandering" then the fact that most Americans voted for a NonRepublican Congress will result in democracy spreading to America. What a concept - democracy in America.

Anyway, thanks for the help.

Don't forget the meeting in G-Ville tonight. It's BYOS (Bring You Own Sheets). The speaker is recently released from Raiford and is giving his ever popular talk - "Shanks - Plastic or Metal - The Inmate's View."

<quoted text>Damn you must also be one of the fools that helped put Obama back in office for his second term so that he could continue his march to turn this country into a socialist society you will be able to refer to him as Dictator or King Obama soon but I guess you will be happy to do that huh "Democratic all the way" so sad

And you must have been one of those cheering when Bush invaded Iraq, Invaded Afghanistan, invaded Pakistan, all to protect his Muslim oil buddies in Saudi Arabia from their Muslim enemies in Iran. Yep,$3 Trillion and 6,000 dead troops later, a stronger Iran; an Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, and Afghanistan who all hate America more than ever; a financial debacle greater than any since the Great Depression, and debt beyond imagination.

The scary thing is that if Repubs had nominated anybody but another Right Wing White Spoiled Rich Boy, they might have won.

Guess you'll have to wait your chance at Fascism till 2016 - but hey, you might pull it off - who knows ?

<quoted text>LMAO, you sure have something against people that make a lot of money, don't you? How many people make $300M or even $20M a year? If you take ALL of their income (100% income tax), it doesn't put much of a dent in the deficit this country has.You are correct on one thing though, their income is not taxed under the FairTax, only their spending.Let me give another example of why it's a better idea (there are MANY more, read the book): someone is fairly wealthy, retired and most or all of their investments are in tax free muni bonds or similar, so they have NO taxable income and NO federal income tax. Yet, they still spend a good bit of money. Under the current system, they pay no federal income tax. Under the FairTax, they'd pay a good bit because they continue to spend.A friend of mine on Topix knows someone in that situation...

Standard response, we all hate high end wage earners, bullshit. I read fairytales as a child, didn't make them true. All anyone wants is for the tax rate on the rich and corporations be the same as a percentage of income as middle class America. And if you really beleive a FairTax will ever actually happen you don't understand the system. Special interest groups with money form all legislation and goverment rules. The FairTax if ever passed would have NO relationship with the fairytale you have read. Stop pushing fairtales and push for common sense reform, that just might work.

As for the comment that fair taxs on high end earners would make little difference, we are at a point when ANY increase in revenue could make a huge difference. Whats your problem with the rich paying a percentage of income equal to the common wage earners anyway, skip the bullshit please.

<quoted text>Standard response, we all hate high end wage earners, bullshit. I read fairytales as a child, didn't make them true. All anyone wants is for the tax rate on the rich and corporations be the same as a percentage of income as middle class America. And if you really beleive a FairTax will ever actually happen you don't understand the system. Special interest groups with money form all legislation and goverment rules. The FairTax if ever passed would have NO relationship with the fairytale you have read. Stop pushing fairtales and push for common sense reform, that just might work.As for the comment that fair taxs on high end earners would make little difference, we are at a point when ANY increase in revenue could make a huge difference. Whats your problem with the rich paying a percentage of income equal to the common wage earners anyway, skip the bullshit please.

If you can't follow or understand, perhaps you should "skip the being clueless and uneducated please", and know what the heck you're talking about, please...

"All anyone wants is for the tax rate on the rich and corporations be the same as a percentage of income as middle class America."

Gee, the last time I checked, the tax rates for all individuals (not corporations, we'll get to that in a second) were the same. We all use the same tax forms and tax tables, don't we? OK, it's been a little while since I checked, are there different tax rates for different people? Wow...

Also, you might want to check what the tax rates are for a standard (C corp) corporation, you'd be surprised (and educated).

"And if you really beleive a FairTax will ever actually happen you don't understand the system."

Never said I BELIEVE (note the proper spelling) that the FairTax will be implemented, but it would be a vast improvement over the current system.

"As for the comment that fair taxs on high end earners would make little difference, we are at a point when ANY increase in revenue could make a huge difference."

2 points:(1) Then why not look at the approx. 50% of households that don't pay ANY federal income tax?(2) If you think we have a revenue problem and NOT a spending problem, nothing I (or anyone else here) say(s) will be adequate for you. You need to learn some things to participate.

<quoted text>From ONE well-known photograph and you surmised all that, all by your little old self? Bull shit! The internet, Fox News and you have one thing in common - y'all can't always be believed.https://www.google.com/search...

<quoted text>.. and if "facts" are omitted, can't be confirmed through a reliable source or taken out of context, discard the rest of it. When it comes to news (and weather), the idiot tube is just that, for brain-dead idiots!

<quoted text>Standard response, we all hate high end wage earners, bullshit. I read fairytales as a child, didn't make them true. All anyone wants is for the tax rate on the rich and corporations be the same as a percentage of income as middle class America. And if you really beleive a FairTax will ever actually happen you don't understand the system. Special interest groups with money form all legislation and goverment rules. The FairTax if ever passed would have NO relationship with the fairytale you have read. Stop pushing fairtales and push for common sense reform, that just might work.As for the comment that fair taxs on high end earners would make little difference, we are at a point when ANY increase in revenue could make a huge difference. Whats your problem with the rich paying a percentage of income equal to the common wage earners anyway, skip the bullshit please.

<quoted text>Agreed, the VAT, because it is a sales or consumption tax, is regressive and works against the middle class and poor.I am using 15% as the accumulated tax paid by the final consumer, but pick any number you like - as the principle remains unchanged.Consider, you make $40K a year and because you have a wife and kid(s), you spend $40K a year, and absorb the full impact of the VAT.If the VAT is an effect tax rate of 15%, you are paying all 15% on your income.But, if you're a hedge fund investor who makes $300 Million a year, or executive who makes $20 Million a year, you make only spend a paltry $3 Million a year maintaining your lifestyle.The $297 Million or the $17 Million won't be taxed, it will be maintained or "invested", resulting in the accumulations of wealth even more vast than exist today.The hedge fund investor would pay 15% on 1% of his income or 0.15% effective tax rate on income; and the executive would pay 15% on 15% or 2.2% effective tax rate on income.Maybe I misunderstand though, and stand ready to be corrected.

Interesting comments...

So it seems to me that what we're struggling with here in the good old U.S.A. is whether we need to tax people on what they spend, or on what they're worth.

The Fair Tax, or VAT, or whatever you choose to term it is intriguing, yet no doubt would be incredibly difficult to accomplish and have adverse effects upon low income earners.

On the other hand, why should we penalized those who are rich and make them pay higher tax rates? Do rich people utilize the public roadways more than poor people? Do they go to the library more often than the poor? Should we be envious of what other have?

<quoted text>As a percentage of income, the rich do pay a higher tax rate.

Someone needs to tell Mitt Romney, who went 10 years paying 0%, then when in the midst of a presidential campaign found he had to elect not to use all his deductions in order get up to paying 13%, which is less than 1/2 what my family and my neighbors pay.

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