I dunno. I've seen plenty of BJJ types catch a nasty beating. Sure they can take someone down and submit them in about 2 seconds, but two seconds is all his buddies need to run over and kick mr BJJ's face inside out. Oh, and I'm not sure that your average MMA guy is really all that equipped for 'when things go down'. I mean outside of venice beach -and the ring-, where are you going to find two large, angry, juiced up men in a pair of speedos looking to kick the piss out of each other? It all boils down to the quality of training, not so much the art. Ring fighting isn't the same as street fighting. There are knives and bats and sticks involved, not to mention alchahol, coke, and PCP. Oh, and whomever spoke poorly of Aikido needs to find an accomplished Aikidoka and say that to his face.

good point Iain
each and every fighter developes his or her own styly regardless of what style?i train with fighters and hit them because i know their patterns..ever see the K-1??each fighter has a fav. techniq(peter aerts-left high kick/right hook)(ernesto hoost-l.jab/r.hook/low l.kick)each fighter uses techiqes that work for them!!....not every move they have learned their whole life works.If any fighter that steppes into a compatition gets his ass handed to him it's not his style that failes him(exception:fred ettish)its mainly his lack of preperation and lack of knowladge...as the saying goes practice makes perfect??

Yeah, but the Aikido guy will do that whole 'inner tranqil peace I am at one with the universe' shtick, which inevitably makes the verbal assailant more angry because he can't get a rise out of him, buddy takes a swing at the guy with the funny skirt on and BANG!... his arm is broken in three places.

Aikido guys aren't all like that anyway. I remember when my friend (a yodan now, I think a Shodan at the time) had a chance meeting with the fellow who beat up his sister. He spent five minutes breaking each of the guys fingers one by one.

"Pretty much ALL Kung Fu sucks man. I know that you TRUELY want to believe that Monkey Kung Fu might be real in some distant reality but, SORRY, not only does it have NO value as a martial art but its practitioners look ridiculous when training in it."

In the S.E. Asian open martial arts tournaments held in the 70s and 80s, which were all full contact, the most dominant fighters were from Choy Lay Fut and Monkey...yes, Monkey style Kung Fu.

I hate to argue with the grapplers/wrestlers of the world, but I feel I must point out one place where you are mistaken about your art. Your art is not a battle field art. It is a single person fight scenario. Granted, you'll take the TKD dude down to the ground, and pummel the **** out of him. But what are you doing about his buddy that's kicking you in the face while you've got a lock on his friend? "Iron Monkey" arts like Kung Fu, TKD, etc., are meant for multiple attacker scenarios. You go to the ground when you're fighting three people at a time, and I dont care if you are Royce Gracie, you're gonna get your head knocked off.

Now, before you go off half-cocked and say I don't know what I'm talking about, there are two things you should consider. One, I wrestled for 8 years, and two, I have studied Kung Fu for 6. If I were in a fight against a single individual, I would take them to the ground and kick their ass. Why not? But if I were in a fight with multiple people, I would do my best to not go to the ground, because I'd be very vunerable once I got there.

&amp;gt;Your art is not a battle field art. It is a single person fight scenario.

This is wrong. Grappling is historically the first art developed in ANY country. It was know to be taught to soldiers FOR battlefeild use. Later it became sport. Same with boxing. Many grappling arts deal with multiple opponents. I site Japanese Jujutsu, Vajra Mushti (not its original name but easier to spell), Ancient Roman and Greek wrestling. Research these things yourself and you see that I am write. If you want I can send you scans from picts I took while in Greece to research the MA history.

Not to harp on you Groganer, but wrestling for 8 years and KNOWING the history is two differnt things. What you are talking about is the MODERN veiw of these things.