Should Victorious really be on here? It was never a smash-hit, but it did pretty well, and it still has a rather active fandom, especially on Tumblr. Plus, Liz Gillies is still doing pretty well for herself, so it's not just Ariana Grande that's had a career after the show. (And personally, I think it's too early to tell for Victoria Justice.)

Would the mini-series format count as being deader than disco? Since apart from cable networks, they're barely shown on broadcast stations anymore expect what you see on PBS's Masterpiece and the days of high ratings winners like "Roots", "Shogun", "War and Remembrance", and "The Blue and the Grey" are *long* *long* over.

Larkmarn

05:53:06 AM Mar 9th 2016

Define "mini-series." There have been very successful mini-series recently (Wayward Pines comes to mind). Moreover, even if something isn't common, it's not as though the format is looked at with scorn nowadays.

The Dukes of Hazzard seems to have fallen victim to this trope. It was still popular and well liked even after it ended in the '80s but after a massive backlash over the Confederate flag in The New Tens (as described in the Real Life section), the show - which heavily relied on themes of Southern pride - began to fade from public consciousness with reruns and merchandise being blacklisted.

So I pulled this to discussion because while that controversy is very true and certainly hasn't helped the brand... the General Lee is actually a relatively common argument I hear against banning the Confederate flag.

Honestly, I'm not sure about it. Unlike most valid examples, the show is fairly well-liked, just oddly linked to some Unfortunate Implications which makes it hard for it to be readily accessible. Fans still seem to like it.

As mentioned on the discussion on the main page, both this and the film entry need some serious cleanup. I took The X-Files off because, in spite of the fact that it coined the Christ Carter Effect, it's remained too popular in syndication and on Netflix. The fanbase is still there, merchandise has been produced for years (hell, I got an X-Files themed birthday card a few years ago), and it's been referenced in other works since the show's ending. The later seasons were not highly thought of, nor was the second movie, but that didn't negate the cultural impact the show has had.

Both pages seem to focus way too much on things that have fallen into obscurity, relative or otherwise, as opposed to things that later came to be hated and mocked, like, well, disco.

Larkmarn

05:49:27 AM Jan 22nd 2016

Agreed. A lot of these is "not as popular anymore, even if it's not actually disliked."

Does Lost in Space really count? The reboot failed miserably, but the series still gets reruns and plenty of merchandise. Fans of it don't seem ashamed of it or anything, and the writeup mostly says "and it turns out it's not as popular as Star Trek" which is... not really that much of an insult.

Larkmarn

10:44:43 AM Nov 23rd 2015edited by Larkmarn

Pulled. Like I said, the show doesn't seem so much Deader Than Disco as it is "not still ongoing." There is still a lot of new merchandise coming out and the show still airs on reruns with regularity, indicating that it's not nearly as dead as the entry implies. Plus the fact that a reboot was picked up by Netflix indicates that it's quite not-dead-yet.

With Little Britain I completely understand individual instances that would cause discomfort regarding gay jokes with Dafyd and the Prime Minister's aide and a few other instances (as well as later episodes being crude and "shock factor"), but ALL of the jokes making fun of a minority? Not really. I'm not even sure if the aforementioned iffy ones are direct insults.

Refreshing myself at the Wikipedia page, I see: a politician caught in an affair, a "chavvy" teenager, a hypnotist, a parody of Weight Watchers, a youth attracted to an older woman, a shopper asking a shopkeeper if they stock this or that, a has-been silver medallist, an adult who still drinks from his mother's breast, an actor asking his agent to write and sing theme tunes.

And the "Martin it's Linda" sketches is satire of attacking people's appearance.

Also, where does the eccentric Tom Baker narration fall under regarding "making fun of minorities"?

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