BTW, it is interesting how folks think Obama is this far left commie pinko and forget the Clinton had the exact same views as Obama.

He ran on a platform of universal healthcare, gays in the military, opposed gay marriage bans.

But Clinton came from a history of no compromise liberal as governor of Arkansas and was promptly given his pink slip from the people of Arkansas. He then became governor again and learned the art of compromise, of backing down, of... basically selling out. He did the same as president.

Except for the fact that he publicly said he was NOT in favor of same-sex marriage:

quote:I am signing into law H.R. 3396, a bill relating to same-gender marriage, but it is important to note what this legislation does and does not do. I have long opposed governmental recognition of same-gender marriages and this legislation is consistent with that position.

Even the gays quoted in this article say he did it for political reasons and that he could have survived a DOMA veto. Hell, he was running against Bob Dole.

quote:Except for the fact that he publicly said he was NOT in favor of same-sex marriage:

I didn't say he was. He was against the fed amendment and he was against DOMA. He caved:

quote:In Baehr v. Miike (1993), the Supreme Court of Hawaii ruled that the state must show a compelling interest in prohibiting same-sex marriage.[12] This finding prompted concern among opponents of same-sex marriage that same-sex marriage might become legal in Hawaii and that other states would recognize or be compelled to recognize those marriages under the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the United States Constitution.

Though he personally did not support gay marriage, Clinton also was against passing the Defense of Marriage Act, feeling it was an insult to many of his gay friends.[27] However, after Congress had passed the bill with enough votes to override a presidential veto,[27] Clinton decided to sign the bill into law in order to avoid the type of political damage he encountered earlier in his presidency when he underestimated the public's opposition to his attempt to allow gays and lesbians to serve openly in the US military.[27] Clinton, who was traveling when Congress acted, signed it into law promptly upon returning to Washington, D.C., on September 21, 1996.[21] The White House released a statement in which Clinton said "that the enactment of this legislation should not, despite the fierce and at times divisive rhetoric surrounding it, be understood to provide an excuse for discrimination, violence or intimidation against any person on the basis of sexual orientation".[21] In 2013, Mike McCurry, the White House press secretary at the time, recalled that "His (Clinton's) posture was quite frankly driven by the political realities of an election year in 1996."[27]

quote:I am not registered to vote GOP so I am not defending them, just because I don't have a blind loyalty to a political party as you proudly do but...

You start 4-5 threads a day here and I've never seen one bashing Republicans yet you continue to say this.

quote:Buzzer noise FALSE! They possibly thought DADT was odd but never wanted to make an issue out of it.

You would be wrong.

quote:Congress rushed to enact the existing gay ban policy into federal law, outflanking Clinton's planned repeal effort. Clinton called for legislation to overturn the ban, but encountered intense opposition from the Joint Chiefs of Staff, members of Congress, and portions of the public. DADT emerged as a compromise policy.[33] Congress included text in the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1994 (passed in 1993) requiring the military to abide by regulations essentially identical to the 1982 absolute ban policy.[34] The Clinton Administration on December 21, 1993,[35] issued Defense Directive 1304.26, which directed that military applicants were not to be asked about their sexual orientation.[34] This is the policy now known as "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". The phrase was coined by Charles Moskos, a military sociologist.

LINKBarry Goldwater, to his credit, joined Barney Frank in opposing all this rubbish. He was the only Republican I can recall doing so.

quote:I just object to the idea that Clinton is not to be held accountable for legislation he SIGNED because there was those "bad Reps" causing mayhem

Damn right by the way! NOBODY forced Clinton to sign these bills! Just as nobody forced Obama to extend the self proclaimed toxic Bush tax cuts. If the crap was so bad and heinous as each Clinton and Obama claimed at the time signed or since...well you still signed it fool!

re: The Clinton LegacyPosted by NHTIGER on 6/26/13 at 5:35 pm to TenTex

quote:Clinton presided over one of the best economic periods in U.S. history. Timing is everything!

Clinton was one guy when the Dems controlled both the Senate and the House in his first two years. And then he was a different guy when he spent his last six years dealing with Republican majorities in BOTH chambers of Congress.