Re: Wisconsin Hockey - 2018 Off-Season - Hope or Despair?

Originally Posted by solovsfett

Ha!

Also quick aside, has Wisconsin produced more NHL or NFL players? I'd love to know that stat.

Since the Packers made Eddie Jankowski the 9th overall pick in 1937, 289 players have been drafted from Wisconsin. Plus, another 60-80 free agents have played in the NFL, so my guess is it's not even close, even if you just went from 1963 'til now.

Originally Posted by WiscTJK

I'm with Wisko and Tim.

Originally Posted by Timothy A

Other than Wisko McBadgerton and Badger Bob, who is universally loved by all?

Re: Wisconsin Hockey - 2018 Off-Season - Hope or Despair?

I'm glad that I still have time to work on it with my daughter. She has talked about all kinds of places for school at this point. Hawaii, Madison, and England just to name a few. Hopefully she'll get something picked out in the next few years and find a new way for us to pay for it.

Ha! My son is a senior and he is accepted at Mad Town, but that is "too close to home." He is looking at UW-M and MSOE in the big city. He will always be a badger fan as I have taken him to countless men and women hockey games and the occasional BB and FB games, but he wants nothing to do with college there. Plus I think the engineering "recruit" day pretty well expressed its a big college and they don't care about you. Not the case at Platteville, Milwaukee and MSOE..... If I was in shoes, I wouldn't go to UW either. Plus he is accepted to play on the D3 lacrosse team at MSOE provided we can figure out the ridiculous cost to attend there.....

Bragging Alert:

MSOE is WELL worth the money. As I've mentioned before, MCR Jr went there for 6 years and has BS and MS degrees. Employers knock the doors down to hire MSOE grads! Great educational AND athletic facilities.

Re: Wisconsin Hockey - 2018 Off-Season - Hope or Despair?

A. Football has been around a LOT longer
B. Football has at least what 80 guys on the team annually and maybe 25-6 for hockey?

You asked for stats, you got stats. You didn't like stats, you change the parameters.

A longer history?
Looking at the NHL Badgers, the earliest that one of them played in the NCAA was 1971.
There have been over 187 NFL Badgers (from 1971 to present) in that window and 95 of them have played for more than 3 years.
I would say advantage NFL Badgers.

A larger roster???
Using the same window of 1971-present, 48 years.
82 NHL Badgers in 48 years, we'll call that roughly 2 NHL Badgers per year. Team sizes can fluctuate between 25-30, but to keep the numbers simple let's call it 25. Out of a team of 25 that is 8% of the players.
187 NFL Badgers in 48 years, we'll call that roughly 4 NFL Badgers per year. Team sizes have fluctuated over the years, but let's call it an even 100 (which includes at least 50 players who will NEVER see the field in a given year. Out of a team of 100 that is 4% of the players. Out of a "playing sample" of 50 that is 8%.
I would say either small advantage to NHL Badgers or a wash.

For every amazing Badger that has played in the NHL you have just as many in the NFL.
For every Chris Chelios with 1000 points there is a Mike Webster with 9 Pro Bowls and 4 Super Bowl wins
For every current star like Joe Pavelski or Ryan Suter there is a Travis Frederick or James White

14 Badgers have had their name on the Stanley Cup vs 36 AFL/NFL/Super Bowl Champions.

I'm not saying that the hockey Badgers don't have a ton to be proud of, they certainly do! They have had some amazing NCAA success and have produced some top-level NHL talent.

I think that the talent that the football Badgers has produced, on a whole or on a curve, is better.

Now, please, can you tell me what argument you need to make to get to your desired result of NHL Badgers being better/more important. I'm guessing you'll go for "but NHL roster sizes are smaller, so there are fewer available NHL spaces, so the saturation is greater" or "because I said so".

You asked for stats, you got stats. You didn't like stats, you change the parameters.

A longer history?
Looking at the NHL Badgers, the earliest that one of them played in the NCAA was 1971.
There have been over 187 NFL Badgers (from 1971 to present) in that window and 95 of them have played for more than 3 years.
I would say advantage NFL Badgers.

A larger roster???
Using the same window of 1971-present, 48 years.
82 NHL Badgers in 48 years, we'll call that roughly 2 NHL Badgers per year. Team sizes can fluctuate between 25-30, but to keep the numbers simple let's call it 25. Out of a team of 25 that is 8% of the players.
187 NFL Badgers in 48 years, we'll call that roughly 4 NFL Badgers per year. Team sizes have fluctuated over the years, but let's call it an even 100 (which includes at least 50 players who will NEVER see the field in a given year. Out of a team of 100 that is 4% of the players. Out of a "playing sample" of 50 that is 8%.
I would say either small advantage to NHL Badgers or a wash.

For every amazing Badger that has played in the NHL you have just as many in the NFL.
For every Chris Chelios with 1000 points there is a Mike Webster with 9 Pro Bowls and 4 Super Bowl wins
For every current star like Joe Pavelski or Ryan Suter there is a Travis Frederick or James White

14 Badgers have had their name on the Stanley Cup vs 36 AFL/NFL/Super Bowl Champions.

I'm not saying that the hockey Badgers don't have a ton to be proud of, they certainly do! They have had some amazing NCAA success and have produced some top-level NHL talent.

I think that the talent that the football Badgers has produced, on a whole or on a curve, is better.

Now, please, can you tell me what argument you need to make to get to your desired result of NHL Badgers being better/more important. I'm guessing you'll go for "but NHL roster sizes are smaller, so there are fewer available NHL spaces, so the saturation is greater" or "because I said so".

Jesus Buddy, you know my opinions, if you don't like em' ****** off and don't reply.

Re: Wisconsin Hockey - 2018 Off-Season - Hope or Despair?

Originally Posted by KaMiGo

You asked for stats, you got stats. You didn't like stats, you change the parameters.

A longer history?
Looking at the NHL Badgers, the earliest that one of them played in the NCAA was 1971.
There have been over 187 NFL Badgers (from 1971 to present) in that window and 95 of them have played for more than 3 years.
I would say advantage NFL Badgers.

A larger roster???
Using the same window of 1971-present, 48 years.
82 NHL Badgers in 48 years, we'll call that roughly 2 NHL Badgers per year. Team sizes can fluctuate between 25-30, but to keep the numbers simple let's call it 25. Out of a team of 25 that is 8% of the players.
187 NFL Badgers in 48 years, we'll call that roughly 4 NFL Badgers per year. Team sizes have fluctuated over the years, but let's call it an even 100 (which includes at least 50 players who will NEVER see the field in a given year. Out of a team of 100 that is 4% of the players. Out of a "playing sample" of 50 that is 8%.
I would say either small advantage to NHL Badgers or a wash.

For every amazing Badger that has played in the NHL you have just as many in the NFL.
For every Chris Chelios with 1000 points there is a Mike Webster with 9 Pro Bowls and 4 Super Bowl wins
For every current star like Joe Pavelski or Ryan Suter there is a Travis Frederick or James White

14 Badgers have had their name on the Stanley Cup vs 36 AFL/NFL/Super Bowl Champions.

I'm not saying that the hockey Badgers don't have a ton to be proud of, they certainly do! They have had some amazing NCAA success and have produced some top-level NHL talent.

I think that the talent that the football Badgers has produced, on a whole or on a curve, is better.

Now, please, can you tell me what argument you need to make to get to your desired result of NHL Badgers being better/more important. I'm guessing you'll go for "but NHL roster sizes are smaller, so there are fewer available NHL spaces, so the saturation is greater" or "because I said so".

Re: Wisconsin Hockey - 2018 Off-Season - Hope or Despair?

To all of the above responses:
no, not in the athletic department ( I don't see how offering specifics about the success of the football program vs the hockey program would be read as "pro-administration")
no, don't necessarily agree with stated opinions from others
yes, will engage in debate about those opinions

We are in the dead time for the UW hockey team, need to do something to pass the time; about 60% of what I say is based in what I think/believe and about 40% is said just to keep a conversation moving. If you don't want to continue the conversation, that's up to you and I hold no ill will towards anyone for what they do/don't say.

If someone tosses out an "I'd like to see the numbers" kind of comment, I may take the time to find those numbers; I'm kind of a nerd that way. If they don't like those numbers and try to discredit them by changing the context of the numbers, then I'll look at those numbers in a new context and offer a follow-up (see previous comment about being a nerd).

I love UW hockey (have had season tickets since I moved to Madison about 7 years ago), I also love UW football (don't care for games at Camp Randall, but try to watch games on TV), and basketball (try to watch the games on TV), and most things UW.

I'm never going to be the "doom and gloom" guy, that's just not my personality.
Some of the people here are never going to be the "glass half full" people, that just isn't their personality.
I think there is room for both types to exist in the same space.

Re: Wisconsin Hockey - 2018 Off-Season - Hope or Despair?

Congratulations to Tim Davison for signing a pro deal with the South Carolina Stingrays.

When I first saw Timmy as a redshirt freshman chirping in this video, I knew we had a special character on the team. No doubt he brought a lot of laughs and levity to the lockerroom and to fans through some pretty dark times. Just a tremendous all around person. I'd absolutely love it if somewhere down the road we saw Timmy in the broadcast booth doing color. In the mean time, best of luck to Tim as he chases his dream in pro hockey.

Originally Posted by WiscTJK

I'm with Wisko and Tim.

Originally Posted by Timothy A

Other than Wisko McBadgerton and Badger Bob, who is universally loved by all?

Re: Wisconsin Hockey - 2018 Off-Season - Hope or Despair?

Originally Posted by KaMiGo

and of course as soon as I type that I get an e-mail back from Forbes:

I've tried to reach out to Berri directly to continue the conversation, we'll see if he responds.

Berri wrote more on the subject linked to this tweet to which I responded briefly. He's a moron with an agenda and his labor value theory is misapplied. If I follow, he suggests that if I employ 10 people @ $10k each and they produce $100K in revenue, they aren't exploited. Then my rich Daddy gives my business a million dollars every year to keep me in beamers and cocaine, well, now they are exploited.

Originally Posted by WiscTJK

I'm with Wisko and Tim.

Originally Posted by Timothy A

Other than Wisko McBadgerton and Badger Bob, who is universally loved by all?

Re: Wisconsin Hockey - 2018 Off-Season - Hope or Despair?

Originally Posted by Wisko McBadgerton

Berri wrote more on the subject linked to this tweet to which I responded briefly. He's a moron with an agenda and his labor value theory is misapplied. If I follow, he suggests that if I employ 10 people @ $10k each and they produce $100K in revenue, they aren't exploited. Then my rich Daddy gives my business a million dollars every year to keep me in beamers and cocaine, well, now they are exploited.

He replied to my e-mail with a link to that same article as well as some other comments and replies to my direct questions. I'll save you all from the details.

I haven't had a chance to look through the whole thing yet, but will give it a read later.

Everyone has to know that nothing will ever come of this. He is a university professor of economics, so he can bring out whatever methods and statistics he deems appropriate and he feels that he has the authority to state that there is only one way to interpret the results.

But you all know me, I love to stick my nose into an argument and dig around for some facts and figures and try to expand/explore a little bit.

Re: Wisconsin Hockey - 2018 Off-Season - Hope or Despair?

I haven't had a chance to look through the whole thing yet, but will give it a read later.

Everyone has to know that nothing will ever come of this. He is a university professor of economics, so he can bring out whatever methods and statistics he deems appropriate and he feels that he has the authority to state that there is only one way to interpret the results.

But you all know me, I love to stick my nose into an argument and dig around for some facts and figures and try to expand/explore a little bit.

I'll see how long I can keep the conversation going for.

based on his retweets he is liberal to say the least. College sports is socialism to an extent. The revenue generating sports (football, men's BB, and men's hockey (only at select universities)) pay for scholarships and programs for all the other sports. He should love that.