Re: To get a Treasure Trove permit is like giving up a Kidney,

Re: To get a Treasure Trove permit is like giving up a Kidney,

This is the reply we got back We still believe there was a Viking Ship buried on Hobson Island in Manhoe Bay. We will post what we know and why we believe a Viking Ship was buried on the island. I think you will agree with us when you see what we found. We hope to return to the Island and check it out again.

Re: To get a Treasure Trove permit is like giving up a Kidney,

Well everyone tells us that we found some kind of ship but Stephen Powell thinks not. We returned all the artifacts to the government so experts could check them out and we got what everyone expected. OOOOOOO Nothing. Stephen said he was not a expert on Viking artifacts but would see to it that they were checked out by the best in Nova Scotia. Well now he tells me that the artifacts are newer and in the state of rust and will be placed in the basement and rust away. No one will be looking at them and they will not talk to the History Channel or the N Y Times or anyone about this, they are done with this site. They would not sell or give the artifacts back to me so I can have them check out. THIS IS WRONG Something is up why not send them out and have someone check them out I spent over $4000. so what would it cost them ( a phone call ). Why let the artifacts sit and rust away They open the box of artifacts on July 13 and on July 14 they put a big news article in the Canadian Press about new laws on treasure hunting and on July 15 they told us we had proven nothing, and they were done with us. WE NOW THINK WE DID FIND A VIKING SHIP AND THEY WANT TO KEEP THIS QUIET FOR SOME REASON. I will bet you that in a year or two you will read about someone finding a Viking Ship on Hobson Island and my name won't be in the story

HALIFAX - Nova Scotia is putting an end to all underwater commercial treasure hunting along its coast in a move aimed to prevent the loss of the province's marine heritage.

The government said Wednesday it would introduce legislation in the fall to repeal the Treasure Trove Act.

Enacted in 1954, the law governs treasure hunting on famed Oak Island on the province's south shore. The scope of the original act was subsequently expanded to cover the licensing of shipwreck salvage operations off the coast.

Under the current rules, treasure hunters are allowed to keep most of what they find. But they are required to hand over 10 per cent of non-precious artifacts to the province.

David Salter, a spokesman for the Department of Natural Resources, said the intent of the new Oak Island Act is to ensure that everything that is found beneath the sea stays in Nova Scotia.

He said individuals and groups will still be allowed to dive on wrecks, but only for archeological and historical purposes.

"Anything that is found would become property of the province," said Salter.

He said some outstanding licenses would still be granted to applicants who meet policy guidelines for treasure hunting, but that all activities would come to an end Dec. 31.

Salter couldn't provide a precise figure, but said there aren't any more than a "handful" of outstanding licences.

The new legislation would incorporate elements of the existing Special Places Protection Act, which carries penalties for those who would remove artifacts without a heritage research permit.

Under the act, anyone in violation can be fined up to $10,000, while a company can face a fine of up to $100,000. The province also has the authority to seize anything found during an excavation.

"This just makes it (legislation) more streamlined and clearer that the purpose is essentially to preserve these heritage objects here in Nova Scotia," said Michael Noonan, a spokesman for the Department of Tourism, Culture and Heritage.

Both provincial officials said repealing the Treasure Trove Act would bring Nova Scotia in line with other provinces.

John Wesley Chisholm, a Halifax-based independent filmmaker and avid diver, welcomed the news.

"It allows us to move together under one legislation and figure out the best way to explore and protect and share the marine cultural heritage," said Chisholm.

He says that's significant in a province with an estimated 10,000 shipwrecks, more than any other part of North America.

Chisholm also believes the opportunity now exists to look at new ways to publicly showcase the mysteries that lie beneath the province's coastal waters.

"I think it's our duty ... to try to improve the way we look after this hidden part of Nova Scotia with its story that is relevant to the world," he said.

Re: To get a Treasure Trove permit is like giving up a Kidney,

Well we are still finding proof of a Viking Ship on Hobson Island. Our divers just found rock carvings and we located a Stone Map of the area that shows all of the islands from Hobson Island to Oak Island. We believe this was used to show were the Templar Treasure was taken to. We are planning a trip back to Hobson Island in the spring of 2011. I found out that working with the state officials is slow and not the best choice for what we been trying to do . We get more done working with local groups that have the same intrest. When we are done with this site we will post all of what we know and found. We have another site in the area that we need to check out were we believe the Templar Treasure could be . Time will tell.

Re: To get a Treasure Trove permit is like giving up a Kidney,

Get with Keith for Native Canadian "assistance" in this "matter"; I "see" Knights Templar (French)/Native Canadian historical endeavor. Something about French as language of "understanding"... some of the ORIGINAL KT from France fled to Scotland; MAYBE some left Scotland with Henry Sinclair...

Re: To get a Treasure Trove permit is like giving up a Kidney,

Originally Posted by rush

HEY Watch it now! Those @ss Kicking Vikings
were my ancestors!!! Along With Erick The Red!Alexander the great ! And King George lll !
Just To Name a few! Please take care and
RESPECT THE DEAD !!!
Peace be with you and good luck mate!

Dear rush;
Alexander the Great wasn't a viking, he was a Macedonian, the son of Phillip II who also a Macedonian.
Your friend;
LAMAR

Re: To get a Treasure Trove permit is like giving up a Kidney,

If you can get Keith to "verify" the legend of white ppl coming in on the "back of a whale"; it MAY be that the old viking ship overturned, dumping KT "treasure" in the bay, up there. THEN, the KT survivors intermarried within that native tribe (despite their vows) or moved "in-land"... to OAK ISLAND, intending to create a mysterious "vault" for whatever they could salvage from the bay floor; DUNNO.

Re: To get a Treasure Trove permit is like giving up a Kidney,

Dear FinderKeeper;
I don't think that the vikings used riveted iron boiler plate in the 1300s my friend. In fact, the vikings weren't the world's best iron workers. As far as I know, their longships did not use any iron in their construction.
Your friend;
LAMAR

Re: To get a Treasure Trove permit is like giving up a Kidney,

Re: To get a Treasure Trove permit is like giving up a Kidney,

Dear group;
I imagine that it would be a bit difficult to obtain a permit when the person trying to obtain it is basing their reason for obtaining one on the premise of looking for *Templar treasure*. That must raise an eyebrow or two. To a governmental agency, this screams out "NOT a professional!"

Government agencies need to take into consideration the majority of it's citizens before it can issue a permit based upon those premises. What would happen if the brother in law of the state governor went camping close by to where such a dig were taking place? The conversation might go something like this:
(Brother in law of governor)"Hi! Beautiful day! That sure is a deep hole! Whacha digging for, anyway?"
(treasure seeker) "Hey! We have a permit to search for Templar treasure that we believe was spirited out of Europe about 150 years before Columbus first set sail and they then settled right here on this tiny island to bury it and to never be seen nor heard from again!"
(Brother in law of governor) "Wow! Good luck eh!" ( the brother in law is Canadian of course)

And now, can we imagine the conversation that will undoubtedly take place with the governor at some point after this exchange? And this is why it is so difficult for individuals and for small companies to obtain treasure permits.
Your friend eh!
LAMAR

Re: To get a Treasure Trove permit is like giving up a Kidney,

Dear Lamar , Please stick to what you know , engines and racing cars and leave Treasure Hunting up to the treasure Hunters. It is clear from your post that you have a negative attitude on everything and one must have a open mind to work with old stories that can get them to a great treasure. By the way we had a Class A permit and I have stated this many times so were do you get your info. Before you post you should check out your info, its making you look bad Maybe when we return to Nova Scotia we can help you find something. BYE
YOUR FRIEND
FINDER KEEPER

Re: To get a Treasure Trove permit is like giving up a Kidney,

Originally Posted by FinderKeeper

Dear Lamar , Please stick to what you know , engines and racing cars and leave Treasure Hunting up to the treasure Hunters. It is clear from your post that you have a negative attitude on everything and one must have a open mind to work with old stories that can get them to a great treasure. Maybe when we return to Nova Scotia we can help you find something. BYE
YOUR FRIEND
FINDER KEEPER

Dear FinderKeeper;
So I grew up around race cars and hot rods. Big deal. I grew up as a backwater, uneducated redneck and that is what I shall remain until I die, for as surely as a leopard cannot change it's spots, neither can I alter my past. This, however does not mean that I am ignor@nt, therefore please do not make the mistake of assuming this of me.

And it's not *my* attitude per se, rather it's the attitude of the government officials that you are currently getting to know and love so well. You may find the following a bit difficult to grasp, but you aren't the only person in the treasure hunting game, my friend. Government agencies tend to take a dim view on *treasure seekers* in the overall scheme of things and when someone presents a governmental agency with a rather far out theory, this makes it all the more difficult for the next group that seeks a permit.

In light of this, it's not a *negative* attitude, not towards you nor anyone else, rather it's a realistic attitude towards a realistic problem, which of course is the increasing difficulties one encounters when attempting to obtain permits.
Your friend;
LAMAR

Re: To get a Treasure Trove permit is like giving up a Kidney,

My Dear Friend Lamar, You got it wrong again. You put everything in order so it fits what you think and everyone else is wrong. I did not make up the story of red hair people on the back of a whale, itcame from a family member of the Sinclair Family . He was on the History Channel TV show about the Knights Templar and the Kensington Rune Stone . I trust him before I trust what you say. You know there is no solid proof on most of our history so you can go around all day and debate everything and you can't prove what you say either . Being one sided won't get you anywere.

Its clear you don't know what your talking about at the time you post , then you spend all day doing research to get up to speed. YES YOU GOT IT WRONG AGAIN , the vikings had iron rivets and copper rivets to build there ships and I did not make this up, do your home work.
Your Friend
FINDER KEEPER

Re: To get a Treasure Trove permit is like giving up a Kidney,

Re: Viking Ship Found in Manhoe Bay ?

I have been checking out the Zeno Narratives on Prince Henry 's trip to the new world and it backs up everything we claim to have found. The link to Zeno Map is below. It tells of a great storm they were in for 6 days when they left Greenland and headed for the new world. A cannon was found in the northern part of the Nova Scotia waters. If a ship was in this storm for days and over loaded I could see it turning over and the cannon falling in the ocean. Than the story says they built a ship at Guysborough Harbor and that tells me they had a ship wreck as we have said. But there is no proof that they did build a ship at Guysborough . I believe they built the ship in Manhoe Bay , I have what looks like a Viking Ship buried in Manhoe Bay on Hobson Island and they found no ships in Guysborough Harbor. The Vikings were known to bury their old ships at times.
There are oak trees on Oak Island and a castle with foundations near New Ross. The Vikings needed oak wood so why wouldn't they build the ship in Manhoe Bay were they had everything they needed. After all if you look at Zenos Map it shows all of the lands they went to but Nova Scotia is not on it. Would you show the place were you hid the treasure.

Re: To get a Treasure Trove permit is like giving up a Kidney,

Hi Everyone, Get ready, this summer could be the year the Templar Treasure is found. There is a TV show in the works and new found info that could end this hunt. and Yes Finders Keepers will be in the show. I will post more info as the paper work is done.