Interesting suggestions from tongue in cheek Many jazz-inclined fans could go along with the first one, although Zappa would probably furiously disagree that the werewolf leg hair era was the high point of his career. Fillmore East is an even less likely candidate, if that's what you mean by the White Album.

Yes, some would say he could dance, and some would say he could sing like Neil Sedaka.

This is hard to pin down, my two bits is that he gained experience while losing some naïve charm and existential intuition through the years - at least I feel there's an element of win some, lose some along the way.

Interesting suggestions from tongue in cheek Many jazz-inclined fans could go along with the first one, although Zappa would probably furiously disagree that the werewolf leg hair era was the high point of his career. Fillmore East is an even less likely candidate, if that's what you mean by the White Album.

Yes, some would say he could dance, and some would say he could sing like Neil Sedaka.

This is hard to pin down, my two bits is that he gained experience while losing some naïve charm and existential intuition through the years - at least I feel there's an element of win some, lose some along the way.

I say the FE album only because at the time it was so huge, man people were talking about that thing and virtually no air play and not TV, pure word of mouth...that was big doins I think the forum members underrate this part of his career and its over all effect on his making it big enough to do what he did...just thinking out loud...

I say the FE album only because at the time it was so huge, man people were talking about that thing and virtually no air play and not TV, pure word of mouth...that was big doins I think the forum members underrate this part of his career and its over all effect on his making it big enough to do what he did...just thinking out loud...

While Fillmore East - June 1971 was the Flo & Eddie era's top seller (it charted in the US Top 40 and went Gold in Australia), it was by no means "huge", nor did it sell anywhere near FZ's largest selling titles like Sheik Yerbouti, Apostrophe ('), Over-Nite Sensation, Joe's Garage, Act I, etc.,...

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And to answer the thread question: I would say somewhere between 1972-1979...

Sometimes your an idiot, that album did a great job of spreading the word on FZ and maybe it was not a big seller since people would bring albums to your house back then or lone them around, but in LA everyone new about that album and it was considered more of a comical statement and cutting edge comentary for things that were being said on it.

This album was a huge breakthrough and was instrumental in propeling Franks career to the next level...

Sometimes your an idiot, that album did a great job of spreading the word on FZ and maybe it was not a big seller since people would bring albums to your house back then or lone them around, but in LA everyone new about that album and it was considered more of a comical statement and cutting edge comentary for things that were being said on it.

This is coming from a perpetual idiot.

tweedle-dee wrote:

This album was a huge breakthrough and was instrumental in propeling Franks career to the next level...

On a minor level it was. But generally speaking his entire catalogue at that point "propelled" his career to the next level...

See this is your problem, instead of saying "I did not know that, now I understand"... and be done with it and move on, you stretch all credibility and try to twist it up until somehow you think you made yourself look right...

This is why you are known for half truths and outright lies and it reeks of anti social and psychopathic behavior…you’re a wreck, we tried to help, but you just will not stop, typical of your type.

You’re the guy that ends up doing something Bad, because you have brainwashed yourself that it is good.

What a sad, sad existence…we hope you get real professional help someday...

See this is your problem, instead of saying "I did not know that, now I understand"... and be done with it and move on, you stretch all credibility and try to twist it up until somehow you think you made yourself look right...

This is why you are known for half truths and outright lies and it reeks of anti social and psychopathic behavior…you’re a wreck, we tried to help, but you just will not stop, typical of your type.

You’re the guy that ends up doing something Bad, because you have brainwashed yourself that it is good.

What a sad, sad existence…we hope you get real professional help someday...

Gawd Dayum!

_________________Oh No! I don't believe it...You say that you think you know the meaning of love...

See this is your problem, instead of saying "I did not know that, now I understand"... and be done with it and move on, you stretch all credibility and try to twist it up until somehow you think you made yourself look right...

This is why you are known for half truths and outright lies and it reeks of anti social and psychopathic behavior…you’re a wreck, we tried to help, but you just will not stop, typical of your type.

You’re the guy that ends up doing something Bad, because you have brainwashed yourself that it is good.

What a sad, sad existence…we hope you get real professional help someday...

Considering everything I've discussed with you over however many months now, if this above post doesn't PROVE you're in complete denial about your shit not stinking, that you're THE weasel of all weasels, that you can't admit when you're wrong and that you're a complete and utter fucking idiot, then I think unfortunately, nothing will.

See this is your problem, instead of saying "I did not know that, now I understand"... and be done with it and move on, you stretch all credibility and try to twist it up until somehow you think you made yourself look right...

This is why you are known for half truths and outright lies and it reeks of anti social and psychopathic behavior…you’re a wreck, we tried to help, but you just will not stop, typical of your type.

You’re the guy that ends up doing something Bad, because you have brainwashed yourself that it is good.

What a sad, sad existence…we hope you get real professional help someday...

I think your observations are correct. As a logical expression of the mentality you describe, Disco B[arf] had to reply in stupid self defense, with no regard for the interesting thread that he's about to ruin.

See this is your problem, instead of saying "I did not know that, now I understand"... and be done with it and move on, you stretch all credibility and try to twist it up until somehow you think you made yourself look right...

This is why you are known for half truths and outright lies and it reeks of anti social and psychopathic behavior…you’re a wreck, we tried to help, but you just will not stop, typical of your type.

You’re the guy that ends up doing something Bad, because you have brainwashed yourself that it is good.

What a sad, sad existence…we hope you get real professional help someday...

I think your observations are correct. As a logical expression of the mentality you describe, Disco B[arf] had to reply in stupid self defense, with no regard for the interesting thread that he's about to ruin.

Thank you DC I appreciate it...I can't seem to shake the varmits around here, they follow you around the forum...

This is hard to pin down, my two bits is that he gained experience while losing some naïve charm and existential intuition through the years - at least I feel there's an element of win some, lose some along the way.

An insightful point, DC, I sometimes wonder if I would have become such a Zappa fan if I had heard his later, more jaded (at least they seem that way to this young man) albums like Broadway the Hardway, Sheik Yerbouti or Bongo Fury (all great albums in their own regard) before his earlier, cynical but wildly silly albums such as Freak Out!, Hot Rats, or We're Only in It for the Money.

_________________Oh No! I don't believe it...You say that you think you know the meaning of love...

I think your observations are correct. As a logical expression of the mentality you describe, Disco B[arf] had to reply in stupid self defense, with no regard for the interesting thread that he's about to ruin.

So I'm supposed to be all submissive and let tweedle-dee spew his BS? I don't fucking think so...

And I find it hilarious that assholes like you let him get away with it but scapegoat me as the bad guy.

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