For some reason, it seems that everyone trusts Putzho more than you would expect. He gave a infodump to all the AIs present during his first conversation with the Toughs, so they have reason to trust him, and the rest of the Toughs probably trust him because the AIs are alright with him. But back on the station, Tagon and Co are still jammed, so they have no idea who Putzho is.

I mean, sure, at that point Putzho starts talking to them and he doesn't seem immediately hostile. But they still have basically no reason whatsoever to trust him, and many reasons to assume that he's there to kill them. If Putzho's landing craft had actually been a giant combat mech subverted by All-Star, it could've grabbed and killed all of them.

I feel like a lot of people just picked up a idiot ball, or they picked up a fourth wall crystal ball and saw that Putzho was actually friendly. That, or Putzho is pulling a Petey and calculating how to act to ensure that everyone assumes he's friendly, but even Petey could only take that so far, and I don't there there's a 'friendly' way to crash through the roof at ballistic speeds.

You have no evidence that they do. Merely not engaging in a firefight does not equate to trust.

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One would imagine that if a giant something puts a hole in the ceiling in the middle of a active combat zone and activates a teraport cage, Tagon's first instinct would be to get to cover.

I didn't imagine that. My first instinct would be to gather intel. Which they did. It's called 'recon in force', look it up.

And what cover? The object just holed the loading bay, twice. There is literally nothing in the bay that would act as cover.

And once they saw it was a teraport cage and something was deploying they could presume quite easily it wasn't a part of the forces they were just fighting. It's pretty damn obvious since it had to deploy from outside the field of battle.

Sure, it could be a new challenger, but that meant it got past Cindy. And if that happened may as well stroll up all casual like and take a look.

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I mean, sure, at that point Putzho starts talking to them and he doesn't seem immediately hostile.

So... they should what? Be immediately resorting to violence? Talk about picking up the idiot ball...

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...I don't there there's a 'friendly' way to crash through the roof at ballistic speeds.

as deploying they could presume quite easily it wasn't a part of the forces they were just fighting. It's pretty damn obvious since it had to deploy from outside the field of battle.

It's entirely possible that All-Star had other subverted assets off-station, and the TAD field forced them to get a little creative.

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Sure, it could be a new challenger, but that meant it got past Cindy. And if that happened may as well stroll up all casual like and take a look.

There could be any number of other explanations: Cindy could have been subverted, it could have been a specialized something equipped with PD or some other manner of technology that let it slip past, or it could have simply exploited the layout of the battlefield and flown through a area where Cindy didn't have good VDA coverage.

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So... they should what? Be immediately resorting to violence? Talk about picking up the idiot ball...

Well, do you really want a week of comic strips showing Tagon and company retreating behind some shipping containers, which probably wouldn't make good cover since we saw the light mechs shooting through them, and gradually warming up to Putzho. Actually at this point how many of those shipping containers even exist. We haven't seen anything but smoke and flat ground for a while now.

If nothing else Putzho can infodump tailor the same way he did the other AIs.

Well, do you really want a week of comic strips showing Tagon and company retreating behind some shipping containers, which probably wouldn't make good cover since we saw the light mechs shooting through them, and gradually warming up to Putzho.

Yeah, it might be quicker to have them be more trusting right off the bat, but in the absence of a good explanation I feel like it could've been handled better.

Well, do you really want a week of comic strips showing Tagon and company retreating behind some shipping containers, which probably wouldn't make good cover since we saw the light mechs shooting through them, and gradually warming up to Putzho.

Yeah, it might be quicker to have them be more trusting right off the bat, but in the absence of a good explanation I feel like it could've been handled better.

I have yet to see trust, from anybody.

What I've seen is Tagon not shoot somebody who politely asked him to step back, then not shoot a mech that was obviously quite capable of ripping him and his crew apart - which had just politely asked him to step back.

Well, do you really want a week of comic strips showing Tagon and company retreating behind some shipping containers, which probably wouldn't make good cover since we saw the light mechs shooting through them, and gradually warming up to Putzho.

Yeah, it might be quicker to have them be more trusting right off the bat, but in the absence of a good explanation I feel like it could've been handled better.

I have yet to see trust, from anybody.

What I've seen is Tagon not shoot somebody who politely asked him to step back, then not shoot a mech that was obviously quite capable of ripping him and his crew apart - which had just politely asked him to step back.

That's not being trusting, that's being sane.

I don't know about you, but I personally hesitate to shoot anything that opens with 'please'. I think I've got plenty of explanation.

Like I tried to say earlier, nobody trusts Putzho except maybe the allstar/allstar agents who have all his data punched into a probability manifold. They are simply cooperating with him mainly because they have no other options. He's trusted about as much as you'd trust a guy with a gun to your head.

As for the 4 page budget dedicated to "I don't trust you", I just have the image in my mind of 4 pages of zeroes with a 1 on the end, a quilllard^4 if you will.

Now let's ask the other question - why does Putzho trust Allaque, or the agents?

He doesn't trust the agents, he put them in stasis bottles. Sure, he went and checked on his probability manifold, but checking on what you have available is generally a good idea. Especially when someone you don't trust brings it up.

He trusts Ulaque because they had a nice, long conversation, in which Ulaque went to great lengths to establish a healthy, respectful relationship.

A better question, at the risk of being recursive, might be why does Ulaque trust Putzho?

Now let's ask the other question - why does Putzho trust Allaque, or the agents?

He doesn't trust the agents, he put them in stasis bottles. Sure, he went and checked on his probability manifold, but checking on what you have available is generally a good idea. Especially when someone you don't trust brings it up.

He trusts Ulaque because they had a nice, long conversation, in which Ulaque went to great lengths to establish a healthy, respectful relationship.

A better question, at the risk of being recursive, might be why does Ulaque trust Putzho?

Because like the agents Ulaque literally read Putzho's mind, and I'm sure he has his own probability matrix to predict Putzho's actions.