[quote=&quot;[url=http&#58;//arstechnica&#46;com/civis/viewtopic&#46;php?p=24787169#p24787169]lordcheeto[/url]&quot;][quote=&quot;[url=http&#58;//arstechnica&#46;com/civis/viewtopic&#46;php?p=24787143#p24787143]inzf[/url]&quot;]Shame[/quote]Shame as in too bad? Shame on him? Shame on Ars? Shame on Ron Paul?[/quote]

Shame on Ars. Again. Next I expect his transcripts from his 4 year birthday party at Chuck E Cheese

Your politics can change a lot in 4 years. That's not so bad. I'm sure I'd blush at the things I spouted off 4 years ago. I think the more interesting story here is that instant messages are discoverable evidence in the court of public opinion.

Engadget showed us that Imagination Technologies is ready to do battle in the CPU space, and this is the best Ars Technica can come up with for a post this morning? I'm a little disappointed.

This article tells us what? He doesn't like Swiss burgers or the fourth official language of Switzerland? He's already gotten way more press coverage than he needs.

I don't see any good that this article can do or how it is useful to anyone.

EDIT: apparently everyone else on the internet enjoys reading chat logs and shall we say, spying on another person, far more than I do. I thought the whole point of this Snowden thing was that we don't like our privacy to be invaded?

In contrast to my feelings about previous articles about Snowden's life and online activities, I find this one in much better taste. For the most part (especially page 3) you've stuck to a narritive which is framing this man's leaking with his previous opinions on that topic.

This article feels a lot more like the sort of real, useful journalism I'd expect from Ars and a lot less like the trashy tabloid nature of the girlfriend and forum posts pieces.

Mmmm okay, I have some respect for covering both sides of the story (leaker and the leak source), but this really seems too much. This seems like airing a bunch of Snowden's less-than-glamourous personal opinions and feelings in an attempt to rob him of any hero status he may have obtained.

Whether he should or does have any hero status I don't know, and frankly I don't think anyone needs to know or care about. I'm incensed that we're following Snowden's every move and thought, mainstream news style like he's Kim Kardashian, getting a constant stream of useless quasi-infromation about him. All the while, we hear not a single mention if the documents he leaked are 100% accurate, what information the government will continue to collect, and what people are doing to stop it.

America seems to love a sideshow.. I don't expect we'll get away from following the eating, drinking, and bowel movements of celebrities and prominent social figures. I do expect that people can have a modicum of sense toward what is important, and I can't help but question the importance of knowing what Snowden thinks of Swiss cheeseburgers and bottled water, as opposed to that the government is probably recording this very statement for analysis, and how we can get the government to stop.

Hmm, with all this deep inside info about Sownden at Ars, it sure paints the picture that maybe, just maybe, Ars is somehow complicit and may have a lot more interesting info about said traitor/hero. While a public site and no privacy is guaranteed or expected, posting these creepy insightful looks into the man suggests that there may be a treasure trove of info at Ars. I wonder if the NSA/FBI will take notice and go trolling for more data through legal channels? Maybe draw some connections to the other Ars users Snowden interacted with then go digging into them? Maybe even Ars staff?

Lesson #1: Do not trust Ars! It's too hard to resist the media-whoredom. Your data is being saved and can be compiled and published if it creates an story. The NSA didn't even ask, yet here it all is.

Lesson #2: Stop being so "social" on the internet. Too many eyes, too many hard drives. Your opinions will come back to haunt you.

Lesson #3: Practice anonymity. Never use the same username or handle anywhere. Make the dots very hard to connect. Got nothing to hide? Who cares, "they" will still look in your underwear drawer if they can.

In contrast to my feelings about previous articles about Snowden's life and online activities, I find this one in much better taste. For the most part (especially page 3) you've stuck to a narritive which is framing this man's leaking with his previous opinions on that topic.

This article feels a lot more like the sort of real, useful journalism I'd expect from Ars and a lot less like the trashy tabloid nature of the girlfriend and forum posts pieces.

There seems to be this "Shame on news agency XYZ for writing about Snowdens life!" mentality. Personally I'm fine with this article, as an Ars staff member wrote "Both the leaks and the leaker are relevant." So if another staff member reads this, please don't think I'm calling on you NOT to write this kind of article.

That said, I do think there could and should be more written about the leaks. It does seem to me like there is a disproportionate amount of articles on the leaker and not the leaks. I'm not one to believe that this is some grand conspiracy of misdirection by the government, I'm just saying that's the feeling I get. How about more articles on why exactly these leaks may be important to us? What do they mean in regards to our constitution? How about history lessons? It seems like most people have forgotten past government secret projects that have been exposed by wistleblowers as unconstitutional? A report comparing these leaks/NSA actions to COINTELOP (if that's indeed an appropriate comparison) or the Tuskegee Experiments? I could come up with quite a number of opinion pieces to write on the leaks and not the leaker, but nobody seems to be taking this path.

Again, I'm not trying to rally against these kind of articles. I do feel it's important to understand the person and his motives. I just think much more can be said about the other side of the spectrum as well.

edited for clarityEdit 2: If an Ars member does read this, do you guys accept options/articles from readers? I should probably look into this myself... If it's simply a time issue for you guys, can I write and submit said article?

Shame because the Snowden supporters are realizing he's an egocentric douche?

I don't think that's Snowden, that's just IRC. It requires a kind of macho Internet dude mentality that drives me away from all but one anime channel I hang in.

I don't think Snowden is douche, I think he's a hero. But he's also a regular person, and I don't think anyone can expect him to be flawless. The Ars article doesn't attack him, it leaves you to make your own conclusions about his personality.

Ego maniac or not, he has just become one of the most wanted people on earth. That has to suck, but we can thank him for making that choice.

Digging up out of context chats that were hosted in the name of Ars is a nice way to make it fully die and push the forum members to use alternative channels like Facebook and G+.

It's another low point for the site. Non-news just to keep a stream of content coming out. What's next, finf out if he ever posted a recipe to the Ars Cookbook site? Or how about what he bought and sold and the ratings he got from Beerology?

Hmm, with all this deep inside info about Sownden at Ars, it sure paints the picture that maybe, just maybe, Ars is somehow complicit and may have a lot more interesting info about said traitor/hero. While a public site and no privacy is guaranteed or expected, posting these creepy insightful looks into the man suggests that there may be a treasure trove of info at Ars. I wonder if the NSA/FBI will take notice and go trolling for more data through legal channels? Maybe draw some connections to the other Ars users Snowden interacted with then go digging into them? Maybe even Ars staff?

Lesson #1: Do not trust Ars! It's too hard to resist the media-whoredom. Your data is being saved and can be compiled and published if it creates an story. The NSA didn't even ask, yet here it all is.

Lesson #2: Stop being so "social" on the internet. Too many eyes, too many hard drives. Your opinions will come back to haunt you.

Lesson #3: Practice anonymity. Never use the same username or handle anywhere. Make the dots very hard to connect. Got nothing to hide? Who cares, "they" will still look in your underwear drawer if they can.

Blah, blah, blah, Snowden is my hero and anyone who writes something about him that doesn't paint him as a pure-hearted hero - no matter how relevant - can't be trusted.

It would be interesting to know if Snowden was asking/answering technical questions regarding his profession on this or other forums. What could that teach us about his "line of work" and the tools he used. He may discussed seamingly boring topics (I'm not a true computer wizard), that may have helped him understand how PRISM actually works.

His motivations are important for the major media outlets. I'd like to know if he is just a fame-whore who targeted a fishy looking top secret project? OR was he justly working towards uncovering the constitutional crime of the century(s)?

Although I disagree with almost everything he said in those IRC logs, I have to give him props for being able to change his mind and do what he did. Not everyone is capable of changing their mind, especially when they have a vested interest in not doing so.