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It's actually true that well done ecchi will frequently outperform hentai because hentai often looks like crap despite the fact that visuals are really all that matter, well maybe voices... definitely not plot. They just want to go low budget and churn it out I guess.

Though imo, this ero doesn't hold up to stuff like Kanojo x Kanojo x Kanojo :3 That's not really a fair comparison though.

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I think another conversation helped me figured out why I don't like this as much as other Monogatari fanservice, so I'll cross post it here:

"My main issue with the scene is Koyomi's lines - somehow they gave too much of an "air of reality" to him being attracted to his sister, which makes it seem more creepy than tongue in cheek. 99% of the fun of Monogatari fanservice comes from the tongue in cheek embellishment (which is half the fun of the rest of the show too) of the scenario/sexual tension, which I find amusing in a surrealist/absurdist way. Giving the scene too much of an air of reality undermines all that, which is why I consider this one of the worst Monogatari fanservice scenes I've seen.

The "air of reality" given to Koyomi's attraction also has the side effect of coming across as really, really weird given the lack of much reason for him to be attracted to his sister."

That's the first time I've heard anyone mention there being an "air of reality". Whose conversation did you pick that up from? I wonder how much air of reality can be ascribed to this if there's a lack of reason for the attraction.

Congrats, you've summed up every episode of Bake and Nise made. I'm not really sure why things are so different now that the fanservice is so blatant. It just seems silly. The whole series is full of anime fetishes, from lolis to catgirls to yanderes throwing office equipment like she's a deadly ninja, to occult references, vampires, and wincest.

It wasn't Nadeshiko with the writhing around, it wasn't Hitagi insulting everyone in every scene, it wasn't Tsubasa running around in her pj's, loli Shinobu in the bath, or anything else. No no, it's this, the toothbrush...that's the line. Right.

I can understand complaints like "I didn't find it arousing" or "It's not my kind of humor". I can understand complaints like "I didn't find it artistic" or "The voice acting was overdone". What I don't understand is people complaining about the very basics of the entire show: people talking about random stuff while random stuff happens in the plot and on screen. If you think the characters are going to burst out in any kind of exposition and explain the stuff you really do care about, that's unlikely to happen. There's enough novel material for another 10+ seasons of Monogatari, so unless you can read Japanese or know a good translator willing to put in the very difficult effort of translating (remember, nothing but lots and lots of text and it's all heavily layered with puns and references), you're SOL in the story explaining much of anything.

The whole story is the authors mental masturbation. The only thing more exaggerated than the fanservice that I've seen is too many viewer expectations conflicting with reality. Just sit back, enjoy the fanservice, and stop treating this stuff like serious business.

-Araragi starts by saying that as siblings he and Karen don't get on well. Even the incident with Kaiki did nothing to rehabilitate his sisters. Araragi complained that Kaiki has been totally useless and just bothersome all around. Araragi even says that things like incest are for the elite whereas he is just middle class, so unless he wins a lottery it's not for him.
-Araragi mentions that when Hanekawa gets angry her shoulders tremble, and so does her breast, so he would like for Hanekawa to get angry more.
-Karen kicked open the door of Araragi's room like she were a detective entering the culprit's hideout. That's her standard way of opening a door. Whether it's Japanese style door or Western style door.
-Araragi thought breaking his pencil was a bad omen about his exams.
-Araragi says Karen would be able to fight a wild animal. He has even seen her punching through a wall of plaster. And then he had to further destroy the wall to get her fist out. It was a scene like the bonus stage of an old fighting game. And that sister was hugging him from behind. That aside, he didn't particularly like to get hugged from his sisters.
-Araragi says that for Karen her tracksuit was like the Cloth for a Saint.
-When Karen tried to assume a coquettish pose, Araragi could only think of it as a martial arts pose. Since there was a story about Karen winning over a lion at a zoo just by staring at it, he had no choice but to agree she was cute. No wait, he was just stuttering "(my throat) got dry". And similarly he also stuttered "(my skin) got dry, (the atmosphere) got dry, (the root of the tongue) got super dry". Nothing more than that. Karen then was so happy she jumped to hug him, in a body attack similar to the one that destroyed a deteriorated steel frame at school. He heard his ribs creak. She was squeezing so hard he feared being split in two by Karen's physical strength. A sister who went dere is a serious thing.
-When kneeling Karen struck her forehead on the ground as if to show feelings of rebellion against mother Earth (gotta love these metaphors).
-Araragi trampled on her head as revenge for making him feel nervous before (though he wasn't nervous!). It seems Karen is used to big efforts to achieve her goals, so something like that was even enjoyable for her. She is definitively M.
-The novel actually mentions Karen got her eyes burning with flames and that she performed a moonsault jump inside the room receiving five 10s.
-Karen landed on the bed making it creak. Araragi was thinking that from now on he had to sleep less comfortably.
-Kanbaru's fanclub is "Kanbaru's soeurs" (French for "sisters").
-When Karen hit him in the solar plexus, Araragi felt like his liver had disappeared.
-Araragi actually mentions he watches PreCure.
-Araragi says that Karen is one who thinks that with willpower 1+1=3.
-There was plenty of thought behind the decision of using the toothbrush for the contest, as if the contest was too unfair Karen wouldn't have ackwnoledged defeat, and if the contest was too difficult it could have made Karen even more fired up. In fact, reflecting on her willpower, Araragi starts thinking that maybe Karen is not his real sister, she could be his sister-in-law. If that was true then he would find her moe.
-When Araragi returned to his room with the toothbrush, she saw Karen on the bed. He wasn't happy with Karen doing as she pleased in his room, and he also noted even her underwear was Tsukihi's.
-It seems in the past Tsukihi actually did something similar to a toothbrush in the butt to the stalker of a classmate. Karen notes Tsukihi, unlike her brother, didn't go as far as using even toothpaste. Anyway, for Karen it couldn't be helped since the other guy was a stalker. Araragi thought it would be better to hide the fact even Kanbaru stalked him in the past. Karen also adds right now Tsukihi is investigating on a guy, rather than a stalker directly a pervert, a highschooler who molested a gradeschooler. Unluckily there are too few eyewitnesses. Karen says that she won't leave Tsukihi handling such scum alone if they find him. Araragi asks her to report things to him too, as it won't do any bad. Karen is pleased the heart of justice is burning even inside her brother. Anyway, she is puzzled about what to use a toothbrush for if not for sticking in the butt. Araragi had to explain it is used to brush teeth, and it can also be used to clean tight spots. Araragi mentally remembers it was time to help Kanbaru clean her room again.
-When Araragi says girls may not like when people touch their hair, he remember that time he played with Hachikuji pretending she was a Harley Davidson. It seems she was so mad she used casual speech.
-When Karen sits on the bed for the contest, her skirt get flipped up. Araragi thinks it's better if she doesn't wear skirts.
-Karen noticed the predicament she had fallen in after a minute passed and Araragi was starting brushing her gums.
-"Don't resent me, Karen. I'm doing this to protect you!"
-Araragi was surprised Karen was able to resist so much. He noticed the idea of giving pleasure to her younger sister to break her will was as depraved as a shoujo manga. Then he realized he was violating a forbidden taboo. He compared it to tobacco, which is so widespread exactly because it's unhealthy. As he continued, he felt as if he was born to brush Karen's teeth.
-Even in the novel Tsukihi in a daze is described with round eyes and mouth, like a clay figure, and then later she changes her eyes to a triangle shape. She speaks her first lines in Kyoto dialect, the Gyon variant.
-Araragi had to admit it was hard for anyone to misunderstand that situation. And he and Karen speaking and pointing finger in synchro could give an even worse impression.

-Araragi starts by saying that as siblings he and Karen don't get on well. Even the incident with Kaiki did nothing to rehabilitate his sisters. Araragi complained that Kaiki has been totally useless and just bothersome all around. Really? I thought her wearing skirt is her attempt to "get along better" with her Nii-chan. It has been around 2 weeks since Karen Bee, it is suprising that nothing happened until this episode.
-Araragi even says that things like incest are for the elite whereas he is just middle class, so unless he wins a lottery it's not for him.I don't know where he got the idea, but he is one now.
-Araragi mentions that when Hanekawa gets angry her shoulders tremble, and so does her breast, so he would like for Hanekawa to get angry more.I also want to see that. Too bad it wasn't shown in the anime.
-Araragi says that for Karen her tracksuit was like the Cloth for a Saint.Err what?
-The novel actually mentions Karen got her eyes burning with flames and that she performed a moonsault jump inside the room receiving five 10s.I'm impressed that so much was included in the novel.
-Kanbaru's fanclub is "Kanbaru's soeurs" (French for "sisters").Does member get their membership rosery?
-Araragi actually mentions he watches PreCure.Doesn't seemed like the type of show he would enjoy. Oh well.
-Araragi starts thinking that maybe Karen is not his real sister, she could be his sister-in-law. If that was true then he would find her moe.So that's the starting point where he open his heart to the forbidden world of siscon? If moe by definition of feeling protective toward the person, then he got the meaning mix up. Guess he meant able to "turn on" by his sister then.
-and he also noted even her underwear was Tsukihi's.Well, thanks for even bother telling us that Araragi. I don't know you notice whoes panties belongs to whom. I don't even care about that when I wash my families laundry.
-Karen also adds right now Tsukihi is investigating on a guy, rather than a stalker directly a pervert, a highschooler who molested a gradeschooler. Unluckily there are too few eyewitnesses. Karen says that she won't leave Tsukihi handling such scum alone if they find him. Araragi asks her to report things to him too, as it won't do any bad. I have an idea who she is refering to. You do better watch yourself Necropedo Arararagi-san.
-Araragi was surprised Karen was able to resist so much. He noticed the idea of giving pleasure to her younger sister to break her will was as depraved as a shoujo manga. Sorry, I don't understand the shoujo manga metaphor. Can you explain a little better?
-Then he realized he was violating a forbidden taboo. He compared it to tobacco, which is so widespread exactly because it's unhealthy. As he continued, he felt as if he was born to brush Karen's teeth.I have no idea brushing other person's teeth do that much. Ohh the wonders of oral hygene sex.
-Even in the novel Tsukihi in a daze is described with round eyes and mouth, like a clay figure, and then later she changes her eyes to a triangle shape. She speaks her first lines in Kyoto dialect, the Gyon variant.I never imagine novel even describes that much. Very impressive Nisio Isin and you too Shikijin for composing the whole summary.

Chapter 3? What about 1 and 2? Anyway thanks again keep it coming next week.

-Araragi starts by saying that as siblings he and Karen don't get on well. Even the incident with Kaiki did nothing to rehabilitate his sisters. Araragi complained that Kaiki has been totally useless and just bothersome all around. Araragi even says that things like incest are for the elite whereas he is just middle class, so unless he wins a lottery it's not for him.
-Araragi mentions that when Hanekawa gets angry her shoulders tremble, and so does her breast, so he would like for Hanekawa to get angry more.
-Karen kicked open the door of Araragi's room like she were a detective entering the culprit's hideout. That's her standard way of opening a door. Whether it's Japanese style door or Western style door.
-Araragi thought breaking his pencil was a bad omen about his exams.
-Araragi says Karen would be able to fight a wild animal. He has even seen her punching through a wall of plaster. And then he had to further destroy the wall to get her fist out. It was a scene like the bonus stage of an old fighting game. And that sister was hugging him from behind. That aside, he didn't particularly like to get hugged from his sisters.
-Araragi says that for Karen her tracksuit was like the Cloth for a Saint.
-When Karen tried to assume a coquettish pose, Araragi could only think of it as a martial arts pose. Since there was a story about Karen winning over a lion at a zoo just by staring at it, he had no choice but to agree she was cute. No wait, he was just stuttering "(my throat) got dry". And similarly he also stuttered "(my skin) got dry, (the atmosphere) got dry, (the root of the tongue) got super dry". Nothing more than that. Karen then was so happy she jumped to hug him, in a body attack similar to the one that destroyed a deteriorated steel frame at school. He heard his ribs creak. She was squeezing so hard he feared being split in two by Karen's physical strength. A sister who went dere is a serious thing.
-When kneeling Karen struck her forehead on the ground as if to show feelings of rebellion against mother Earth (gotta love these metaphors).
-Araragi trampled on her head as revenge for making him feel nervous before (though he wasn't nervous!). It seems Karen is used to big efforts to achieve her goals, so something like that was even enjoyable for her. She is definitively M.
-The novel actually mentions Karen got her eyes burning with flames and that she performed a moonsault jump inside the room receiving five 10s.
-Karen landed on the bed making it creak. Araragi was thinking that from now on he had to sleep less comfortably.
-Kanbaru's fanclub is "Kanbaru's soeurs" (French for "sisters").
-When Karen hit him in the solar plexus, Araragi felt like his liver had disappeared.
-Araragi actually mentions he watches PreCure.
-Araragi says that Karen is one who thinks that with willpower 1+1=3.
-There was plenty of thought behind the decision of using the toothbrush for the contest, as if the contest was too unfair Karen wouldn't have ackwnoledged defeat, and if the contest was too difficult it could have made Karen even more fired up. In fact, reflecting on her willpower, Araragi starts thinking that maybe Karen is not his real sister, she could be his sister-in-law. If that was true then he would find her moe.
-When Araragi returned to his room with the toothbrush, she saw Karen on the bed. He wasn't happy with Karen doing as she pleased in his room, and he also noted even her underwear was Tsukihi's.
-It seems in the past Tsukihi actually did something similar to a toothbrush in the butt to the stalker of a classmate. Karen notes Tsukihi, unlike her brother, didn't go as far as using even toothpaste. Anyway, for Karen it couldn't be helped since the other guy was a stalker. Araragi thought it would be better to hide the fact even Kanbaru stalked him in the past. Karen also adds right now Tsukihi is investigating on a guy, rather than a stalker directly a pervert, a highschooler who molested a gradeschooler. Unluckily there are too few eyewitnesses. Karen says that she won't leave Tsukihi handling such scum alone if they find him. Araragi asks her to report things to him too, as it won't do any bad. Karen is pleased the heart of justice is burning even inside her brother. Anyway, she is puzzled about what to use a toothbrush for if not for sticking in the butt. Araragi had to explain it is used to brush teeth, and it can also be used to clean tight spots. Araragi mentally remembers it was time to help Kanbaru clean her room again.
-When Araragi says girls may not like when people touch their hair, he remember that time he played with Hachikuji pretending she was a Harley Davidson. It seems she was so mad she used casual speech.
-When Karen sits on the bed for the contest, her skirt get flipped up. Araragi thinks it's better if she doesn't wear skirts.
-Karen noticed the predicament she had fallen in after a minute passed and Araragi was starting brushing her gums.
-"Don't resent me, Karen. I'm doing this to protect you!"
-Araragi was surprised Karen was able to resist so much. He noticed the idea of giving pleasure to her younger sister to break her will was as depraved as a shoujo manga. Then he realized he was violating a forbidden taboo. He compared it to tobacco, which is so widespread exactly because it's unhealthy. As he continued, he felt as if he was born to brush Karen's teeth.
-Even in the novel Tsukihi in a daze is described with round eyes and mouth, like a clay figure, and then later she changes her eyes to a triangle shape. She speaks her first lines in Kyoto dialect, the Gyon variant.
-Araragi had to admit it was hard for anyone to misunderstand that situation. And he and Karen speaking and pointing finger in synchro could give an even worse impression.

Location: Beyond the heaven within the Gensokyo above the netherworld inside the Takeda house in Ikebukuro...?

......THIS.....IS......EPIC.......I praise the toothbrush of creating an GODLY INSECTISM SCENE. Toothbrush....I will respect you even more.

I was so caught up in it, that the 24 min of heaven vanish before my eyes!!!!! NOW I CAN DIE HAPPY!!!! ARARAGI SIBLING INSECTISM!!! XD I never get bored seeing this episode over and over again. I SHALL REMEMBER NISEMONOGATARI EPISODE 8 FOREVER IN MY HEART!!!!!

Wow. I, uh... I just...
How am I supposed to react to that?
I rather like incest stories, so in any other scenario I would probably be rolling around on the floor, fangirling. However...
I think my brother has seen this before. When I started watching in on Hulu, he came in, looked at the scene, warned us that it was a "weaboo anime", then left.
Oh, and I watched it with my sister. AWKWARD.