Friday, July 27, 2012

Marriage Inequality

A couple from my parish, I am not sure if they are actually married, have just been sent to prison, he is imprisoned locally, she is miles away. They are going to be separated for two years at least; no conjugal rights. In fact they will not even see one another. However if the were a homosexual couple they would be "banged up" (sorry) together and presumably be able to bring a certain pressure on the Home Office to serve their entire sentence together, doing whatever they wished to do in the privacy of their cell.

When marriage "equality" is introduced this is one of the anomalies that will have to be sorted out, why should a homosexual couple be more equal than a heterosexual couple when staying at Her Majesties pleasure?

Then of course in the future there will couples who meet and fall in love in prison and want to marry - now combine that with the European law that gives the right "family life".

Super Trad Mum has a similar story about about a heterosexual couple being separated in the Olympic village, whilst homosexual couples are not.

Gay marriage has absolutely nothing to do with fairness and equality. It has everything to do with forcing their opinions onto others. Trust me it won't be long before they will take on any legislation that protects priests who refuse to marry them.

I don't think any couple whether gay or heterosexual would ever be imprisoned together to share a cell. I expect some cell mates do form same-sex relationships but I doubt the prison service would undertake to move them together if one needed to change prison etc. I know a father and son who were both sentenced at the same trial but went to different prisons so I am guessing the prison service doesn't really care about family or relationship bonds - if people want to be together maybe they could avoid committing crimes?

It's so good in Local Prisons,you get to share a cell with your Soulmate and generally enjoy yourself.

That is the view from the outside,in reality it is quite different.If you behave yourself and do nothing that might frighten the horses you go to an Open Prison where you presumably share a dormitory;on the other hand you can lark about in the Local and get put in segregation.

Prison Officers are only human and would not allow "cons"to enjoy themselves more than they can

Sexual relationships between two men or two women are inherently evil and have no connection to marriage which is a public and private good necessary for the family and society to exist. The state has a duty not to recognise but rather discourage homosexual relations. On the other hand, the state has a duty to protect, support and promote marriage for the natural institution that it is, the foundation of family, community, nation.

Father, as you know, "it" is all about breaking down normal,natural law in the society and replacing it with a Marxist view of total subjection to the state. The nuclear family and traditional marriage threaten the state, always.

Please publish this link which which shows that the 'supertradmum' story has as little connection with the facts as the specualation that Equalities legislation will compel the prison authorities to house gay couple together.

Supertradmum, I would not argue with you in general ... but quoting Marx? Foucault would have argued that marriage was as much a state induced institution as schools and prisons (so I won't quote him).

I'm not sure how the nuclear family was seen to threaten the state, from a socialism standpoint.

Beveridge, argued that the nuclear family was the 'corner stone' upon which The Social Democratic Welfare State was founded. Albeit that the 'able bodied male, his wife and dependants' would have challenged the sensibilities of feminists, the old and disabled. Not sure what he would have thought of gay marriage though...

QUESTION: If those opposed to homosexuals are classed as homophobic ... then ... is there a hetrophobic?

Why do people label everything they dislike as 'Marxist'? It's infantile and lazy. What about the case of the great moral philosopher Alasdair MacIntyre who evolved from Marxism to Thomism. Marxism remained an undeniable influence on this most Catholic of thinkers. The Enlightenment project was not Marxist and yet historically it has done more to undermine the faith than any amount of scribbling by Charlie Marx.

Father, this isn't worthy of you.When tangential evidence is relevant but not exactly on point, you must show its relation, or connection, to your claim. Holding up the unlikely event of a married same sex couple being incarcerated together does not appear to be a logical appeal against same-sex marriage.

Richard I am not making an appeal against anything. I am stating that a heterosexual couple would be sent to different prisons simply on the basis of their gender, not so, necessarily for a homosexual couple.Even if they aren't in the same cell they would probably, especially if they were female, considering the limited female prison places, have some association, more than a heterosexual couple.

It would be foolish to agree or disagree with you, Father. The point surely is that no legislation exists to prevent two married homosexuals living together in the same prison. What comes clear from even gay contributors is that this is nonsense. So let us make sure legislation is put in place. Let us see if Gays and Striaghts can agree on this.

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