The NRA is quite offensive so teachers are entitled to ask him not to wear that shirt to school.

The school has no dress code policy which bans such articles of clothing. The teacher was being arbitrary and capricious. Hardly an example we should be setting for kids. And frankly, the cop should know better._________________

juniper wrote:

you experience political reality dilation when travelling at american political speeds. it's in einstein's formulas. it's not their fault.

The NRA is quite offensive so teachers are entitled to ask him not to wear that shirt to school.

The school has no dress code policy which bans such articles of clothing. The teacher was being arbitrary and capricious. Hardly an example we should be setting for kids. And frankly, the cop should know better.

don't first amendment rights not apply at schools? I thought schools routinely clamp down on free speech (dress codes etc).

However idiotic the NRA is (and it is monumentally so), random acts of authoritarianism should not be tolerated. If allowed by the school dress code, he should get to wear the filthy shirt.

What's wrong with having a dress code and expecting students to follow it?

What's wrong with not violating said dress code and then getting arrested for pointing it out?

juniper wrote:

However idiotic the NRA is (and it is monumentally so)

Really? A group of citizens demanding that the government adhere to the constitution is idiotic? You must hate the ACLU with a passion._________________There is no god but Bach, Beethoven is the messenger of Bach.

What's wrong with having a dress code and expecting students to follow it?

What's wrong with not violating said dress code and then getting arrested for pointing it out?

juniper wrote:

However idiotic the NRA is (and it is monumentally so)

Really? A group of citizens demanding that the government adhere to the constitution is idiotic? You must hate the ACLU with a passion.

they don't really. They support the second amendment. they oppose any and all measures at curbing gun violence except idiotic measure like arming teachers to stop these mass shootings at schools.

in any case, you should be allowed to wear their silly shirts.

While we agree on the silly shirts.... especially when not in violation of any dress code, I must point out that the NRA does exactly what they claim, the defend the citizen's rights as spelled out in the constitution against government trying to limit said rights.

While you don't agree with having the right of self defense, many of us that do have that right are happy with it. Any attempt to take that away from us is in direct conflict with the constitution._________________There is no god but Bach, Beethoven is the messenger of Bach.

again you spout rhetoric without actually understanding it or acting upon it.

The founding fathers, the ones that created the 2nd knew what they were writing and for what reason.
That has been manipulated for todays market.
There was tighter gun control back then and that isn't even mentioning the level of weapon technology.

The NRA represents the gun industry not citizens and is profoundly undemocratic. It's practically a terrorist organisation because of the blood on its hands and the way it threatens politicians - the ones it can't buy off anyway.

Schools should teach students the facts about the world they live in and encourage them to be idealistic and principled. They should emphatically not participate in anti-democratic propaganda from a toxic, cynical organisation like the NRA, or allow their students to do so.

While we agree on the silly shirts.... especially when not in violation of any dress code, I must point out that the NRA does exactly what they claim, the defend the citizen's rights as spelled out in the constitution against government trying to limit said rights.

While you don't agree with having the right of self defense, many of us that do have that right are happy with it. Any attempt to take that away from us is in direct conflict with the constitution.

I think it requires some defence that they do exactly what they claim, but whatever.

By the way, you are false that any attempt to take away your guns are in direct conflict with the constitution as the constitution can be changed.

The NRA represents the gun industry not citizens and is profoundly undemocratic.

Absolutely false. You're not living in a fact-based reality. Of all the various lobbies out there, I can't think of a single one that is more grass-roots in nature than the NRA, and therefore inherently democratic in principle. Did whatever propaganda hose you have rammed deep in your descending colon actually substantiate that idea in any way? The NRA is even more grass-roots than your typical "community organizer" outfits, which are funded by the various tax-leech organizations that survive on socialist spending. The NRA is powerful for one simple reason: it has a shitload of members who feel strongly enough about the 2nd Amendment that they pay dues. And, they're getting stronger, gaining tens of thousands of dues-paying members per month, and receiving huge philanthropic contributions, because the asshat populist demagogue authoritarian collectivists are attacking the right to bear arms through PC Brigade liberal Nazi bullying, brainwashing (the article is a case in point), and propaganda.

The leftie propaganda factories have gone to great lengths over the last couple of years, pumping bullshit through all the liberal media, to create the impression that the NRA is some kind of "gun industry" lobby, complete with all kinds of manufactured bullshit "data". The truth is that the "gun industry" is tiny, in comparison to the kinds of corporate influences that run the Democratic Party (which range from profit-making corporations to the vast public sector which sucks fully one-third of the freshly oxygenated blood directly out of the cartoid artery of our economy's neck).

Here's where your bullshit comes from:

a. lefties don't like armed citizens, because it inhibits their authoritarian collectivist agenda

b. lefties are brainwashed into thinking patterns, the most common of which is "ZomG teh 3vil korporashuns!"

c. ergo, the immediate kneejerk response is to blame the NRA for being ZomG teh 3vil korporashuns!

All but three of the 45 senators who torpedoed gun control measures in Congress on Wednesday have received money from firearms lobbyists, according to new analysis by the Guardian and the Sunlight Foundation.

All but three of the 45 senators who torpedoed gun control measures in Congress on Wednesday have received money from firearms lobbyists, according to new analysis by the Guardian and the Sunlight Foundation.

Who said they are "non-political". That's their primary function, Captain Strawman. Oh, I see. Political organizations that make contributions or engage in advertising (organizations like ACORN, the ADL, or the OSI) are "democracy" when they support the leftist agenda, but they are "teh 3vil" if they support the constitution. Don't be such a mind-controlled lemming.

Also, you apparently don't understand the democratic legislative process. Citizens draft legislation: that's how it's supposed to happen. The NRA is as grass-roots as it gets, and this moonbat ranting about it being a "corporate lobby" has the same odor of bullshit as Nancy Pelosi calling the TEA party rallies "astro-turf"._________________Deja Moo: the feeling that you've heard this bull before

"Today's NRA is a virtual subsidiary of the gun industry," said Josh Sugarmann, executive director of the Violence Policy Center. "While the NRA portrays itself as protecting the 'freedom' of individual gun owners, it's actually working to protect the freedom of the gun industry to manufacture and sell virtually any weapon or accessory."

There are two reasons for the industry support for the NRA. The first is that the organization develops and maintains a market for their products. The second, less direct function, is to absorb criticism in the event of PR crises for the gun industry.

It's possible that without the NRA, people would be protesting outside of Glock, SIG Sauer and Freedom Group — the makers of the guns used in the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre — and dragging the CEOs in front of cameras and Congress. That is certainly what happened to tobacco executives when their products continued killing people.

Notoriously, tobacco executives even attempted to form their own version of the NRA in 1993, seeing the inherent benefit to the industry that such an effort would have. Philip Morris bankrolled the National Smokers Alliance, a group that never quite had the groundswell of support the industry wanted.

Big fucking deal. Do you have any idea how much labor unions spent last year on political influence? Approximate $4 Billion (according to the Department of Labor). Ooooh! Tens of millions of dollars! And look at your sources: some dude from the "Center for Left-Wing Asshattery" or something (the "Violence Policy Center is a fucking lobby themselves, son, and gets nearly a Billion dollars a year in revenue from where? Not grass roots, but where?). Unsuck the propaganda hose.

Also, you're just proving my point: re-read my post before my last one where I talked about the left-wing arm-flailing and propaganda about the NRA being a "corporate lobby". The NRA is as grass-roots as it gets. I was about to accuse you of trolling again, but now I think you actually buy into this crap. _________________Deja Moo: the feeling that you've heard this bull before

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In 2010, Germany produced more than 5.5 million automobiles; the U.S produced 2.7 million. At the same time, the average auto worker in Germany made $67.14 per hour in salary in benefits; the average one in the U.S. made $33.77 per hour. Yet Germany’s big three car companies—BMW, Daimler (Mercedes-Benz), and Volkswagen—are very profitable.

How can that be? The question is explored in a new article from Remapping Debate, a public policy e-journal. Its author, Kevin C. Brown, writes that “the salient difference is that, in Germany, the automakers operate within an environment that precludes a race to the bottom; in the U.S., they operate within an environment that encourages such a race.”

There are “two overlapping sets of institutions” in Germany that guarantee high wages and good working conditions for autoworkers. The first is IG Metall, the country’s equivalent of the United Automobile Workers. Virtually all Germany’s car workers are members, and though they have the right to strike, they “hardly use it, because there is an elaborate system of conflict resolution that regularly is used to come to some sort of compromise that is acceptable to all parties,” according to Horst Mund, an IG Metall executive. The second institution is the German constitution, which allows for “works councils” in every factory, where management and employees work together on matters like shop floor conditions and work life. Mund says this guarantees cooperation, “where you don’t always wear your management pin or your union pin.”

I'm waiting to hear why you think a lobby that gets a billion dollars a year from un-named sources to spend on anti-gun asshattery (and unlike the NRA is not substantially membership-funded, and unlike the NRA has absolutely no other function than lobbying) is a credible source of information about the NRA. Have you never been taught critical thinking skills? Was that overlooked in your left-wing public education?_________________Deja Moo: the feeling that you've heard this bull before

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