Here is the bottom line that I think Phenommmm (sp?) was trying to make:

This union - in the Hostess debate - DECLINED an 8% pay cut and 17% health insurance raise. Now, could some people not have survived this? I'm sure. I probably couldn't have been able to pay my bills and keep my house with that pay cut and would have lost my health insurance. BUT - THEY WERE JOBS! If they didn't want to do it - let someone ELSE come in and take them. 18000 OTHER people are willing to work for that money.

But no, All these people who could have been making a decent wage are now a tax burden to the rest of us.

So, while I outlined my own struggles with unemployment and poverty, I surely do resent those folks who deliberately and selfishly caused the collapse of Hostess.

unions were formed to give people fair wages and benefits as the greedy bastards running the companies didn't want to pay out.

hostess mismanaged itself and declared bankruptcy in 2004. guess who came along later? 2009 - Ripplewood Holdings did a partial buyout.

who is ripplewood holdings? the ceo is Tim Collins. the Collins family... for those who haven't done the research is one of tptb families. he's a frequent bilderberger.

i suppose you'll be happier when everyone gets paid minimum wage with absolutely no benefits?

there's been far too much bullshit postings from mods lately. what the fuck is wrong with you guys?

Quoting: The Gallows

dont forget - theyre killing capitalism for a reason bro.they WILL also manipulate/demonize businesses in being the bad guy. devils advocate here and with just cause.

youve been here long enough to know how the media pushes and pontificates - jus sayin

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~The Queen Of Mean / VENOMmennonn

*Dont fuck with me; ill jump on my menstrual cycle & run your ass over ;)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Every closed eye is not sleeping, and every open eye is not seeing~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~The universe responds NOT to what you want.....it responds to what you are being.......are you being what you want?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~the karma cafe has no menus. you get served what you deserve~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~when a country is greatly disoriented —as it is currently in America with regards to polarization on many issues— that it’s easy for the Government —and other powers that be— to manipulate the public with lies and deceit. This is not a new strategy, but one that has been implemented in this country —as well as others— for centuries. It’s specifically designed to control the masses by generating and perpetuating confusion. in the past the truth about certain national incidents were not found out and revealed to the public for years. Now, thanks to the internet, it takes only a few months to discover the policies and activities of our Government and mega-corporate empires —that are criminal to say the least.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dear Progressives, Feelings aren't facts. Perception is not reality. We are not responsible for your inability to comprehend the difference.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Alan Isaacman The People Vs Larry Flynt"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."VIDEO: [link to youtu.be]

unions were formed to give people fair wages and benefits as the greedy bastards running the companies didn't want to pay out.

hostess mismanaged itself and declared bankruptcy in 2004. guess who came along later? 2009 - Ripplewood Holdings did a partial buyout.

who is ripplewood holdings? the ceo is Tim Collins. the Collins family... for those who haven't done the research is one of tptb families. he's a frequent bilderberger.

i suppose you'll be happier when everyone gets paid minimum wage with absolutely no benefits?

there's been far too much bullshit postings from mods lately. what the fuck is wrong with you guys?

Quoting: The Gallows

dont forget - theyre killing capitalism for a reason bro.they WILL also manipulate/demonize businesses in being the bad guy. devils advocate here and with just cause.

youve been here long enough to know how the media pushes and pontificates - jus sayin

Quoting: Phennommennonn

i've been meaning to make a thread about this but i'll put some of it here.

THERE IS NO CAPITALISM. THERE IS NO COMMUNISM. THERE IS NO SOCIALISM. THERE IS ONLY ZIONISM IN VARIOUS FLAVORS AS THEY ATTEMPT TO INSTALL THE NWO.

there has not been a free market in decades, if there even was one.

people need to stand up for a decent living. losing twinkies and other junk food and overprocessed gluten slices is actually a good thing. losing pay and benefits is a very bad thing. that's the type of shit that ends up making people dependent on the system, which makes them controllable.

rhombus will set you free...—some try to tell me thoughts they cannot defend. just what you want to be, you will be in the end!—if you can't face the truth it's probably raping you from behind.

*Dont fuck with me; ill jump on my menstrual cycle & run your ass over ;)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Every closed eye is not sleeping, and every open eye is not seeing~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~The universe responds NOT to what you want.....it responds to what you are being.......are you being what you want?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~the karma cafe has no menus. you get served what you deserve~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~when a country is greatly disoriented —as it is currently in America with regards to polarization on many issues— that it’s easy for the Government —and other powers that be— to manipulate the public with lies and deceit. This is not a new strategy, but one that has been implemented in this country —as well as others— for centuries. It’s specifically designed to control the masses by generating and perpetuating confusion. in the past the truth about certain national incidents were not found out and revealed to the public for years. Now, thanks to the internet, it takes only a few months to discover the policies and activities of our Government and mega-corporate empires —that are criminal to say the least.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dear Progressives, Feelings aren't facts. Perception is not reality. We are not responsible for your inability to comprehend the difference.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Alan Isaacman The People Vs Larry Flynt"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."VIDEO: [link to youtu.be]

Hostess employees in Nash County, North Carolina on Friday were relieved that they would lose their jobs because union workers would not agree to an 8-percent pay cut, which was approved by a bankruptcy judge, and end their strike, which crippled the company's factories across the United States.

what the fuck..?! theyre not "relieved" bc the "fightings over" - bc thats a buncha high pressure BULLSHIT.

unions suck the lifeforce out of businesses, then the workforce.

with all the fuckin money you pay in dues & that the unions have in the bank/investments - when you go on strike - you shouldnta had to go paycheckless - those cocksuckers shoulda been paying YOU to strike. THATS what you idiots shoulda "negotiated" when you allowed that union to organize your employer...... "fuck you - pay me"

its bad enough we have to carry illegalsand all those who've lost their jobs due to this mfr'd economic collapse

YOU union whores now have to add to the burden of the already stressed american taxpaying tit.

enjoy your poverty fuck-holes

:nopity:

Quoting: Phennommennonn

So it is ok to cut the baker's salary by 8% and the benefits by 32%, but the CEO got a 300% raise and 9 executives got a 60% raise while they filed for bankruptcy?

"The battle at Diamond Walnut has ground on for over 40 months, not because its workers made excessive demands, nor because their employer faced desperate economic conditions. This has been a strike against the modern day industrial death sentence itself - against permanent replacement, or in not so polite, but truer, language, strikebreaking.

The strike at Diamond Walnut, the battles at Caterpillar, Bridgestone and Staley in Illinois, and other strikes like them which have torn communities apart in recent years across the country, could all have been resolved quickly but for one thing. The employers in every case hired strikebreakers. This simple act converted traditional job actions over resolvable issues of wages and working conditions into desperate struggles for survival for the workers and unions involved.

In a rightward drifting America, losing a strike no longer means accepting a lower wage or poorer benefits. It means losing your job."

nothing like the chance of a union bash when the reality is very different

quote from the forbes article

'As if all this were not enough, Hostess Brands’ management gave themselves several raises, all the while complaining that the workers who actually produced the products that made the firm what money it did earn were grossly overpaid relative to the company’s increasingly dismal financial position'

Hey OP, I usually either ignore and/or consider the source when I read some of your posts, but this time I must respectfully disagree with your oponion on Unions!I've been employeed with a Hershey Company for almost 30 years and my Union has been extremely fair.Unless you were involved with the hostess company, your oponion is merely speculation.Just another river rat making over dramatic comments.

Hostess employees in Nash County, North Carolina on Friday were relieved that they would lose their jobs because union workers would not agree to an 8-percent pay cut, which was approved by a bankruptcy judge, and end their strike, which crippled the company's factories across the United States.

what the fuck..?! theyre not "relieved" bc the "fightings over" - bc thats a buncha high pressure BULLSHIT.

unions suck the lifeforce out of businesses, then the workforce.

with all the fuckin money you pay in dues & that the unions have in the bank/investments - when you go on strike - you shouldnta had to go paycheckless - those cocksuckers shoulda been paying YOU to strike. THATS what you idiots shoulda "negotiated" when you allowed that union to organize your employer...... "fuck you - pay me"

its bad enough we have to carry illegalsand all those who've lost their jobs due to this mfr'd economic collapse

YOU union whores now have to add to the burden of the already stressed american taxpaying tit.

That is bullshit, I have been employed by a union electrical contractor for close to 20years and the owner lacks for nothing and I have made a great wage and built a very nice retirement during those years.......far more than any non-union electrician in my state!

I pay my dues and they leave me alone, I don't go to their meetings or do any other so called "brotherhood" BS. So if you want to make less and have no future then by all means never join a union.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28010361

dude - thats what indoctrination does. it sways opinion.the dems are notorious for this - and quite frankly successful in baiting/reeling the useful idiots in....

the unions prepare you - for socialism & communism

i was a USgovt employee - yes i was union 20+ yrs. had no fuckin clue as a kid - as to their history, ties, agendas, change agents, educational lineage - dude...i was totally clueless.

i was not only an 'area rep'....i took grievances/cases to national arbitration & the NLRB (national labor relations board)

it was 6 mos before i "retired"....where something came across my desk - that alerted me, got my full attention.it made me realize, that everything 'we' thought/been told - was predicated on a lie. i didnt want to be a tool anymore.

i bowed out.

Quoting: Phennommennonn

What part of I pay my dues and they leave me alone didn't copy, I'm also in a right to work red state that has more right leaning union members per member than probably any......the union for me is a vehicle to get me to a destination, I in no way shape or fashion endorse their political agenda.

Hostess employees in Nash County, North Carolina on Friday were relieved that they would lose their jobs because union workers would not agree to an 8-percent pay cut, which was approved by a bankruptcy judge, and end their strike, which crippled the company's factories across the United States.

what the fuck..?! theyre not "relieved" bc the "fightings over" - bc thats a buncha high pressure BULLSHIT.

unions suck the lifeforce out of businesses, then the workforce.

with all the fuckin money you pay in dues & that the unions have in the bank/investments - when you go on strike - you shouldnta had to go paycheckless - those cocksuckers shoulda been paying YOU to strike. THATS what you idiots shoulda "negotiated" when you allowed that union to organize your employer...... "fuck you - pay me"

its bad enough we have to carry illegalsand all those who've lost their jobs due to this mfr'd economic collapse

YOU union whores now have to add to the burden of the already stressed american taxpaying tit.

enjoy your poverty fuck-holes

Quoting: Phennommennonn

i love it when you talk like a truck driver and it's even raunchier when it's coming from you....

Falling down is a part of life, getting back up is living. ~

Life is about choices, you get to make them each and every day of your life. ~

Capitalization is the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse.~

Only in America... do we use the word 'politics' to describe the process so well: 'Poloi' in Greek meaning 'many' and 'tics' meaning 'bloodsucking creatures'.~

“When a government is dependent for money upon the bankers, they and not the government leaders control the nation. This is because the hand that gives is above the hand that takes. Financiers are without patriotism and without decency.”

Did you guys miss the fact that last year 12 Hostess execs received an 80% pay raise? Even though they later said they wouldn't take it. (Wink Wink)I praise those workers for standing their ground. It's too bad they are out of work but at least they had the balls to say "Were not going to take it anymore". (The lazy white collar screwing the hard working blue collar).

Would you want to take a pay cut because your board of directors bankrupted a NATIONWIDE company?

Fuck Hostess. And good for their employees refusing to take the 8% pay cut. I would do the same, union or not. The economy may be poor, but I would lose my job before I let an employer who BLEW HIS MONEY, go and take it out on me, the employee, via pay cuts.

There are jobs if you want to work. Sure, may not be in your field, or of the same pay, but there are jobs out there. In the short term I could live with not having my "dream job" to give my employer a big "FUCK YOU" when they bankrupted their selves and want to take it out on me.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18260563

Hey, you dumbfuck. Hostess had already filed for bankruptcy and was bought out by investors for $130 million. But I guess their obligated to just invest in business for charitable reasons only, to pay pieces of shit like you to do easy jobs that take no brainpower at all. They shouldn't try to make their money back, that's just plain evil.

But people like you, yeah you are entitled to lots of money from others. Because you're a special worker.

What kind of life is it for an adult person, injecting artificial cream filling into artificial sponge cake? Seeing all the obese children at the bus stop as you drive into work to manufacture their doom--that would feel like despair. It would feel bad.

A persons work used to mean something. Bring in the crops. Can the fruit. Till the land. Weave the cloth. Bake fruit pies with nutrition in the fruit and the crust. Milk the cows. Gather the eggs. Teach the children to count and read.

What kind of job is it to deliver empty calorie no nutrition snack cakes to dull eyed vacant faced fat people?

Rebuild and Renew America Now (a.k.a. Unity '09): Spearheaded by MoveOn.org and overseen by longtime activist Heather Booth, this coalition was formed to facilitate the passage of President Obama’s "historic" $3.5 trillion budget for fiscal year 2010.

Public Citizen Foundation: Public Citizen seeks increased government intervention and litigation against corporations -- a practice founded on the notion that American corporations, like the capitalist system of which they are a part, are inherently inclined toward corruption

Southern Poverty Law Center:Tides Foundation and Tides Center: Tides is a major funder of the radical Left.YWCA

Democratic Socialists of America member John Sweeney became president of the AFL-CIO and successfully repealed a federation rule prohibiting Communists from serving as leaders of its member unions. Abandoning the blue-collar industrial unionism of the past, Sweeney was instrumental in remaking labor into a progressive movement [link to www.discoverthenetworks.org]

Another immensely powerful union is the 1.8 million-member Service Employees International Union (SEIU), which ranks among the largest and fastest-growing unions in North America. Led by the former New Leftist Andrew Stern from 1996-2010, SEIU is a major component of the so-called “Shadow Democratic Party,” a nationwide network -- conceived and funded by George Soros and his political allies -- of unions, nonprofit activist groups, and think tanks whose agendas are ideologically to the left, and which are engaged in campaigning for the Democrats. [link to www.discoverthenetworks.org]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~The Queen Of Mean / VENOMmennonn

*Dont fuck with me; ill jump on my menstrual cycle & run your ass over ;)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Every closed eye is not sleeping, and every open eye is not seeing~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~The universe responds NOT to what you want.....it responds to what you are being.......are you being what you want?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~the karma cafe has no menus. you get served what you deserve~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~when a country is greatly disoriented —as it is currently in America with regards to polarization on many issues— that it’s easy for the Government —and other powers that be— to manipulate the public with lies and deceit. This is not a new strategy, but one that has been implemented in this country —as well as others— for centuries. It’s specifically designed to control the masses by generating and perpetuating confusion. in the past the truth about certain national incidents were not found out and revealed to the public for years. Now, thanks to the internet, it takes only a few months to discover the policies and activities of our Government and mega-corporate empires —that are criminal to say the least.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dear Progressives, Feelings aren't facts. Perception is not reality. We are not responsible for your inability to comprehend the difference.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Alan Isaacman The People Vs Larry Flynt"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."VIDEO: [link to youtu.be]

There's talk the remnants of Hostess will be bought by a Mexican company. Probably rights to the trademarks and recipes. If so, they'll move any production line either south of the border or to some other country. Or maybe to a lower cost, right-to-work state in the US.

So we'll end up with fewer jobs, but no fewer worker drones, either on welfare or unemployment. Plus, no fewer illegal immigrants from Mexico.

That is bullshit, I have been employed by a union electrical contractor for close to 20years and the owner lacks for nothing and I have made a great wage and built a very nice retirement during those years.......far more than any non-union electrician in my state!

I pay my dues and they leave me alone, I don't go to their meetings or do any other so called "brotherhood" BS. So if you want to make less and have no future then by all means never join a union.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28010361

dude - thats what indoctrination does. it sways opinion.the dems are notorious for this - and quite frankly successful in baiting/reeling the useful idiots in....

the unions prepare you - for socialism & communism

i was a USgovt employee - yes i was union 20+ yrs. had no fuckin clue as a kid - as to their history, ties, agendas, change agents, educational lineage - dude...i was totally clueless.

i was not only an 'area rep'....i took grievances/cases to national arbitration & the NLRB (national labor relations board)

it was 6 mos before i "retired"....where something came across my desk - that alerted me, got my full attention.it made me realize, that everything 'we' thought/been told - was predicated on a lie. i didnt want to be a tool anymore.

i bowed out.

Quoting: Phennommennonn

What part of I pay my dues and they leave me alone didn't copy, I'm also in a right to work red state that has more right leaning union members per member than probably any......the union for me is a vehicle to get me to a destination, I in no way shape or fashion endorse their political agenda.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24089731

Being a member...paying dues...*yes you do!*

Quoting: jdb

Well sir, I make quite a bit more than any non-union electrician in the state where I live, plus a good retirement is being built and decent insurance for my family so if I'm a bad person for that you can kiss my ***!

They can take my dues and stick them up their arse for all I care, I look at dues like car insurance it's a necessary evil.

Hey OP, I usually either ignore and/or consider the source when I read some of your posts, but this time I must respectfully disagree with your oponion on Unions!I've been employeed with a Hershey Company for almost 30 years and my Union has been extremely fair.Unless you were involved with the hostess company, your oponion is merely speculation.Just another river rat making over dramatic comments.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 972577

ummmm....i live a farts blow from the hershey choc factories/422 - if memory serves - most of your colleagues werent too happy when they wanted to close that one plant & move to mexico. union pressure was driving them to do it. jus sayin

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~The Queen Of Mean / VENOMmennonn

*Dont fuck with me; ill jump on my menstrual cycle & run your ass over ;)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Every closed eye is not sleeping, and every open eye is not seeing~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~The universe responds NOT to what you want.....it responds to what you are being.......are you being what you want?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~the karma cafe has no menus. you get served what you deserve~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~when a country is greatly disoriented —as it is currently in America with regards to polarization on many issues— that it’s easy for the Government —and other powers that be— to manipulate the public with lies and deceit. This is not a new strategy, but one that has been implemented in this country —as well as others— for centuries. It’s specifically designed to control the masses by generating and perpetuating confusion. in the past the truth about certain national incidents were not found out and revealed to the public for years. Now, thanks to the internet, it takes only a few months to discover the policies and activities of our Government and mega-corporate empires —that are criminal to say the least.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dear Progressives, Feelings aren't facts. Perception is not reality. We are not responsible for your inability to comprehend the difference.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Alan Isaacman The People Vs Larry Flynt"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."VIDEO: [link to youtu.be]

*Dont fuck with me; ill jump on my menstrual cycle & run your ass over ;)~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Every closed eye is not sleeping, and every open eye is not seeing~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~The universe responds NOT to what you want.....it responds to what you are being.......are you being what you want?~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~the karma cafe has no menus. you get served what you deserve~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

political correctness is a doctrine.... fostered by a delusional, illogical minority...... and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media; which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~when a country is greatly disoriented —as it is currently in America with regards to polarization on many issues— that it’s easy for the Government —and other powers that be— to manipulate the public with lies and deceit. This is not a new strategy, but one that has been implemented in this country —as well as others— for centuries. It’s specifically designed to control the masses by generating and perpetuating confusion. in the past the truth about certain national incidents were not found out and revealed to the public for years. Now, thanks to the internet, it takes only a few months to discover the policies and activities of our Government and mega-corporate empires —that are criminal to say the least.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dear Progressives, Feelings aren't facts. Perception is not reality. We are not responsible for your inability to comprehend the difference.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Alan Isaacman The People Vs Larry Flynt"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, you've heard a lot here today and I won't try to go back over it all. But you have to go back in that room and make some decisions and there is one thing I want to make very clear to you before you do. I'm not trying to convince you that you should like what Larry Flynt does. I don't like what he does. But what I do like is... that I live in a country... where you and I can make that decision for ourselves. I like that I live in a country where I can pick up Hustler magazine... read it if I want... or throw it in the trash, if that's where I think it belongs. Or better yet I can express my opinion by not buying it. I like that right. I care about it. And you should care about it, too... because we live in a free country. We say that a lot, but sometimes we forget what that means, so listen again. We live in a free country. That is a powerful idea. That's a magnificent way to live. But there is a price for that freedom, which is that sometimes... we have to tolerate things that we don't necessarily like. So go back in that room... where you are free to think whatever you want to think... about Larry Flynt and Hustler magazine. But then ask yourselves if you want to make that decision for the rest of us... because the freedom that everyone in this room enjoys... is, in a very real way, in your hands. If we start throwing up walls against what some of us think is obscene... we may wake up one morning and realize... that walls have been thrown upin places we never expected... and we can't see anythingor... do anything. And that's not freedom. That is not freedom. So, be careful. Thank you."VIDEO: [link to youtu.be]

Hey OP, I usually either ignore and/or consider the source when I read some of your posts, but this time I must respectfully disagree with your oponion on Unions!I've been employeed with a Hershey Company for almost 30 years and my Union has been extremely fair.Unless you were involved with the hostess company, your oponion is merely speculation.Just another river rat making over dramatic comments.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 972577

ummmm....i live a farts blow from the hershey choc factories/422 - if memory serves - most of your colleagues werent too happy when they wanted to close that one plant & move to mexico. union pressure was driving them to do it. jus sayin

Quoting: Phennommennonn

And if that had happened, Americans should stand by their fellow citizens and stop buying Hersheys... simples.