For people that are fat and think they can take off here and there and eat what they want is recipe for failure. There are a handful of people that can eat what they want and exercise minimally and stay fit. Then there is EVERYONE else.

Once a person takes the time and EFFORT to get to their goal they can then take time off to eat a meal once in a while that is off daily healthy menu. But to do that all the time or after a week or two of dieting is a slippery slope that most don't recover from.

Main stream media keeps telling people that diets don't work.... eat what you want because it won't matter... that is a LIE and it is brought to you by every fastfood chain in the world as well as grocery stores that make more money on junk and crap food than they do on healthy food. Fad diets are nothing more than a money maker for the person that thought it up.

Watching what you eat and daily exercise are the only way for most people to lose and keep off weight. There is no substitute. Anyone that thinks differently are one of the handful that can eat anything and not gain a pound.

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

You're right, and you're wrong. At 6' 350, a 40 year old male can lose weight eating 2,800 calories a day with essentially no exercise.

There is really no reason that a person can't get by on 2,800 calories a day if he isn't exercising. Unless you're Michael Phelps during the Olympics, that's more than enough food.

This. 2800 calories is a lot of food. There's no reason a person can't slip some guilty pleasures in occasionally and still maintain a diet like that.

You don't even have to eat less to lose weight. Eat different. I use to eat the most gigantic plates of salad man has ever seen. They were very lightly dressed with either a low cal dressing, or a little oil and vinegar, and sometimes half a pound of grilled chicken on them. I shed weight like a beast.

Romaine lettuce is a negative calorie food. Your body burns more digesting it, than is actually in it. You can eat as much as you want, as long as you're willing to eat the right foods. Those foods being most vegetables.

You don't even have to eat less to lose weight. Eat different. I use to eat the most gigantic plates of salad man has ever seen. They were very lightly dressed with either a low cal dressing, or a little oil and vinegar, and sometimes half a pound of grilled chicken on them. I shed weight like a beast.

Romaine lettuce is a negative calorie food. Your body burns more digesting it, than is actually in it. You can eat as much as you want, as long as you're willing to eat the right foods. Those foods being most vegetables.

The only thing about eating huge amounts of food with low calorie-density is that you don't "train" your stomach to be full from small portions. Then, when you cheat with junk food, you consume a massive amount of calories.

The great thing about portion control is that it only takes a few days to really shrink your stomach down. Once that happens, you can eat until you're full and still not have a huge setback.

I can eat half an order of nachos and want to die afterwards. A year ago, I would have eaten the entire thing.

In a way, it's similar to exercising. A year ago, running two miles was enough to make me want to pass out. I went out and ran five miles last night and felt great.

Your body can be conditioned to do incredible things, but that cuts both ways. You can train it to run marathons, or you can train it to consume 10,000 calories per day.

The only thing about eating huge amounts of food with low calorie-density is that you don't "train" your stomach to be full from small portions. Then, when you cheat with junk food, you consume a massive amount of calories.

The great thing about portion control is that it only takes a few days to really shrink your stomach down. Once that happens, you can eat until you're full and still not have a huge setback.

I can eat half an order of nachos and want to die afterwards. A year ago, I would have eaten the entire thing.

In a way, it's similar to exercising. A year ago, running two miles was enough to make me want to pass out. I went out and ran five miles last night and felt great.

Your body can be conditioned to do incredible things, but that cuts both ways. You can train it to run marathons, or you can train it to consume 10,000 calories per day.

That's a good point. When I was doing intermittent fasting, it only took me 2 weeks to stop getting hungry in between those meals.

Follow the $$. These 'trial lawyers' pushing to make as many diseases as possible as Obamacare approaches to go after these food cos. Trial lawyers make their $$ and the Fed gets more control of you life.

I have never bought into 'alcoholism/narcotic addiction/obesity' as true diseases because the only cure that has ever worked for these conditions is "CHOICE"(12 step) which means if "CHOICE" keeps your life sober/healthy then as Iowanian stated early it's not a true disease. Now with that being said, sure you can get liver cancer from alcoholism and you can get other types of cancer from over eating the wrong type of foods over a period of time. But cancer is the by product consequence of your CHOICE. And if CHOICE can save your life then it is not a disease unless it is too late for obvious reasons.

That's a good point. When I was doing intermittent fasting, it only took me 2 weeks to stop getting hungry in between those meals.

Follow the 20-30 minute rule and I assure that a normal healthy plate of food that is calorically acceptable that you may find initially looking at it as just an appetizer will FILL YOU UP ! IF YOU LET IT !! Let your stomach catch up(digestion process) with your brain, which is why you want to eat slower. So finish your meal and ask yourself honestly after 30 minutes, Am I really hungry ??? You'll be surprised !! You don't need huge portions like you think but psychologically you have raised yourself this way most of your life and why you "think" it won't fill you up, but it will !!

What does this mean? Not being a dick. I don't know what you're trying to say.

If you can go from 6'1 350 lbs eating 2800 calories down to 6'1 250 or less in one year with NO exercise at 40+ years old ..... Then good luck with that.

If you happen to actually lose the weight in a year with a 2800 calorie diet without exercising and keep said weight off then I whole heartily say... GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.

Mind you that there might be VERY few people at the age of 40 that could do that. But for most of us that would be a "Pipe Dream" .

I have lost weight in the past with diets and no exercise when I was 20 years old. I am 6'1.... and back then I went 320 to 220 lbs and I was not proportioned well for that weight.

@ 26 years old I went on a high carb low fat diet, Hit the gym 6 days a week and went from 320 to 255 in 1 year with less than 7% body fat. Proportioned very well.

@ 47 w/diabetes I have gone from 380 lbs to 305 in 2 1/2 years and the only fat I have is around my middle. For me and most people my age dieting alone will get you minimal results and usually with minimal results people go back to what got them there in the first place.....eating anything they want. With exercise and dieting you get more bang for your buck and more return on your investment.

So I'm really not trying to be a dick but if you can take off 100+ pounds with a 2800 calorie a day diet and keep it off at the age of 40+ ....I honestly envy you and anyone that can do that. But I am skeptical so .... good luck with that.

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If you can go from 6'1 350 lbs eating 2800 calories down to 6'1 250 or less in one year with NO exercise at 40+ years old ..... Then good luck with that.

If you happen to actually lose the weight in a year with a 2800 calorie diet without exercising and keep said weight off then I whole heartily say... GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.

Mind you that there might be VERY few people at the age of 40 that could do that. But for most of us that would be a "Pipe Dream" .

I have lost weight in the past with diets and no exercise when I was 20 years old. I am 6'1.... and back then I went 320 to 220 lbs and I was not proportioned well for that weight.

@ 26 years old I went on a high carb low fat diet, Hit the gym 6 days a week and went from 320 to 255 in 1 year with less than 7% body fat. Proportioned very well.

@ 47 w/diabetes I have gone from 380 lbs to 305 in 2 1/2 years and the only fat I have is around my middle. For me and most people my age dieting alone will get you minimal results and usually with minimal results people go back to what got them there in the first place.....eating anything they want. With exercise and dieting you get more bang for your buck and more return on your investment.

So I'm really not trying to be a dick but if you can take off 100+ pounds with a 2800 calorie a day diet and keep it off at the age of 40+ ....I honestly envy you and anyone that can do that. But I am skeptical so .... good luck with that.

Got it. Saul wasn't suggesting a plan of action. Nor was I. I believe he was just saying that a person would not remain at 350 while eating 2800 calories per day even if he/she were mostly inactive. At least that's how I read it. Like I said, that's a lot of food. It would not be difficult to consume fewer calories and add exercise.

You've got the right idea with diet & exercise. I was just suggesting that it's not necessary to have the extremist attitude that you MUST always eat healthy and you MUST be at a level 7 on your intensity scale at all times. That's simply not the case.