What do you moonbats think of the blank check for “civic improvements” that your great leader Sims wants? Do you think private money should go to pay for a stadium for rich multimillionaires players and their more wealthy owners?

If so, explain to me what fucking business government has in subsidizing recreation? And if you’re so delerious that you think that’s OK, then explain why not stealing money from wealth producing business is bad.

re 3: We learned how to do it onuSP. There’s plenty of time to read stuff like that because, guess what, that flippin’ OCD moron Stefan bans anyone who disagrees with him. Read some articles on this site: You really need to http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com

Hey Mark the Redneck … I didn’t catch your explanation of how you managed to owe $500,000 of child support for 1 kid. Could you post it again, please? I’m curious about why the judge gave you a special rate of $3,000 a month for 1 kid. Did you threaten to kill the judge, or are you a fucking liar?

You should talk! Wingnuts like you are experts at sucking up. But for what? You don’t think the Republican power brokers who are amassing all of America’s wealth in their own pockets will share any of it with you, do you?

“explain to me what fucking business government has in subsidizing recreation”

Well gee, Mark TR, as I’ve posted before, I’m against taxpayer subsidies for football and baseball stadia, basketball arenas, and NASCAR tracks.

OK, now it’s your turn: Explain to me what fucking business our federal government has protecting and perpetuating the slave labor camps on Saipan, and why U.S. retailers should be able to sell the garments made in those camps by foreign slave laborers with “Made in U.S.A.” labels?

You should talk! Wingnuts like you are experts at sucking up. But for what? You don’t think the Republican power brokers who are amassing all of America’s wealth in their own pockets will share any of it with you, do you?

Comment by Roger Rabbit— 2/24/06 @ 9:48 pm

WTF are talking about. The tax rates are low and the military is strong. That is all we republicans ask.

“WTF are talking about. The tax rates are low and the military is strong. That is all we republicans ask. Comment by RUFUS— 2/24/06 @ 10:11 pm”

This is WTF I’m talking about:

“For years now a small fraction of American households have been garnering an extreme concentration of wealth and income while large corporations and financial institutions have obtained unprecedented levels of economic and political power over daily life. In 1960, the gap in terms of wealth between the top 20 percent and the bottom 20 percent was 30-fold. Four decades later it is more than 75-fold. … By the end of the ’70s, corporate America had begun a stealthy assault on the rest of our society and the principles of our democracy. … What has been happening to the middle and working classes is not the result of Adam Smith’s invisible hand but the direct consequence of corporate activism, intellectual collusion, the rise of a religious orthodoxy that has made an idol of wealth and power, and a host of political decisions favoring the powerful monied interests who … set out to trash the social contract; to cut workforces and their wages; to scour the globe in search of cheap labor; and to shred the social safety net that was supposed to protect people from hardships beyond their control.”

“Thirty years ago the average annual compensation of the top 100 chief executives in the country was 30 times the pay of the average worker. Today it is 1000 times the pay of the average worker. A recent article in The Financial Times reports on a study by the American economist Robert J. Gordon, who finds ‘little long-term change in workers’ share of U.S. income over the past half century.’ Middle-ranking Americans are being squeezed, he says, because the top ten percent of earners have captured almost half the total income gains in the past four decades and the top one percent have gained the most of all – ‘more in fact, than all the bottom 50 percent.’

” … In the words of Louis Brandeis, one of the greatest of our Supreme Court justices: ‘You can have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, or democracy, but you cannot have both.'”

That’s pretty impressive, if you think about it: on average, he can’t go more than about 150 words without using the “T” word. Since most people speak at around 150 words per minute, that’s a rate of 1 “T” word per minute.

Most of it,RR, is being done by Republicans, but you have to admit that “centrist” Democrats are no slouches either when it comes to this selling us out to the corporations. What is it we think we need from them anymore?

Corporations are the enemy of the living. We either need to find a way to control them or , if that’s not possible, to destroy them. They will eventually self-destruct, but will it be too late by then?

As people becomemore sophisticated about what corporations are really all about you will see communities ,as they are with WalMart now, fighting to keep them out.

Why don’t we organize a “shopper’s strike” against WalMart? What are they gonna do — fire us? close the damn store? The surest way to close a WalMart is to try to unionize it.

“Most of it,RR, is being done by Republicans, but you have to admit that ‘centrist’ Democrats are no slouches either when it comes to this selling us out to the corporations.”

Yeah, I realize that’s a problem, but it’s an internal problem we have to take care of within the Democratic Party, and we don’t need any Republicans for that job. And it’s a trivial problem compared to the rape of the working and middle classes by the GOP.

A corporation, in and of itself, is not an evil thing. It’s simply a legal form of organization that makes possible endeavors that require large amounts of capital and large organizations. A small business couldn’t build Boeing jets, for example.

The enemy is not the corporate form of business organization by itself, but rather the individuals who have perverted the purposes of corporate organization for the wrong ends.

“Governor Kean knows as much as anyone how risky it is to deal with the United Arab Emirates,” said Rep. Peter King (news, bio, voting record), R-N.Y., chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee and a leading opponent.

“This just proves that no real investigation was ever conducted, and it’s unfortunate that he and the other 9/11 commissioners were not contacted before the government approved this.”

The former head of the CIA’s Osama bin Laden unit joined in the criticism.

“The fact that you are putting a company in place that could already be infiltrated by al-Qaida is a silly thing to do,” said Mike Scheuer, who headed the CIA unit until 1999″

Now Bush wants a U.A.E OWNED company to operate 21 US Ports. Bush threatens his first ever veto to anyone to stop the deal with the terrorist supporting country.

marks, says “OK with me!”

The vast majority of the US says “Hell No! We do not want terrorist supporting countries running our ports!” Both Democratic, and Republican Congress people do not support the anti-American, terrorist-loving deal.

marks claims “racism!” marks further reveals that he never even knew that the company was owned by U.A.E. He “thought” it was just based there.

What a dumbshit clown for the Democracy hating NeoCons.

Why does marks hate America?

Only marks can answer that.

But sources say he just doesn’t think before he knee jerks a NeoCon response.

marks: You can’t defend the indefensible. Your position is that you feel that we must allow baby killers to guard our ports AT ANY COST so that Bush doesn’t have to admit he made a mistake.

Your assurances that these Arabs would be illogical to sabotage a profitable business by using it as a funnel for terrorism is as quaint as the Constitution is to Alberto Gonsalez. Give it up. You’re wrong about everything.

In my continual quest to educate Mark the Rake and Just a Chicken Hawk:

Secret Service agents guarding Vice President Dick Cheney when he shot Texas lawyer Harry Whittington on a hunting outing two weeks ago say Cheney was “clearly inebriated” at the time of the shooting.

One agent at the scene has been placed on administrative leave and another requested reassignment this week. A memo reportedly written by one agent has been destroyed, sources said Wednesday afternoon.

1. Bush and his UAE connections: “A sheik from the United Arab Emirates contributed at least $1 million to the Bush Library Foundation, which established the George Bush Presidential Library at Texas A&M University in College Station.” 2. UAE has had ties to terrorist networks, according to the Sept. 11 Commission report. It was one of the few countries in the world that recognized the al-Qaida-friendly Taliban government in Afghanistan; al-Qaida funneled millions of dollars through the U.A.E. financial sector; and A.Q. Khan, the notorious Pakistani nuclear technology smuggler, used warehouses near the Dubai port as a key transit point for many of his shipments.

The White House, last week, turned over 250 pages of emails from Vice President Dick Cheney’s office. Senior aides had sent the emails in the spring of 2003 related to the leak of covert CIA operative Valerie Plame Wilson, Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald revealed during a federal court hearing Friday.

The emails are said to be explosive, and may prove that Cheney played an active role in the effort to discredit Plame Wilson’s husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, a vocal critic of the Bush administration’s prewar Iraq intelligence, sources close to the investigation said.

Sources close to the probe said the White House “discovered” the emails two weeks ago and turned them over to Fitzgerald last week. The sources added that the emails could prove that Cheney lied to FBI investigators when he was interviewed about the leak in early 2004. Cheney said that he was unaware of any effort to discredit Wilson or unmask his wife’s undercover status to reporters.

A former US Republican congressman has resigned from the advisory board of a university alumni group after it emerged the latter was offering students money to police “liberal” professors at the University of California, Los Angeles. James Rogan, who served two terms in office, sent an email on Wednesday to Andrew Jones, the head of the Bruin Alumni Association, saying he did not want his name connected to the group. Mr Rogan’s resignation follows those of the Harvard historian Stephan Thernstrom and the UCLA professor emeritus Jascha Kessler, who both resigned from the board once they learned of the group’s activities.

The group has been offering students up to $100 to supply tape recordings and notes from classes to expose professors suspected of pushing liberal political views on their students. The targeted professors have likened the effort to a witchhunt.

“Any sober, concerned citizen would look at this and see right through it as a reactionary form of McCarthyism,” said Peter McLaren, an education professor whom the association named as No 1 on its list of The Dirty Thirty: Ranking the Worst of the Worst.

AN aggressive attack on freedom has been launched upon America’s college campuses. Its perpetrators seek the elimination of ideas and activities that place Sept. 11 in historical context, or critique the so-called war on terrorism. The offensive, spearheaded by the American Council of Trustees and Alumni, a Washington-based group, threatens free speech, democratic debate and the integrity of higher education. In an incendiary report, “Defending Civilization: How Our Universities Are Failing America,” the American Council claims that “colleges and university faculty have been the weak link in America’s response” to Sept. 11. It also asserts that “when a nation’s intellectuals are unwilling to defend its civilization, they give comfort to its adversaries.”

The report documents 117 campus incidents as “evidence” of anti-Americanism. More than 40 professors are named, including the president of Wesleyan University, who suggested in an open letter that “disparities and injustices” in American society and the world can lead to hatred and violence.

Other examples abound. A Yale professor is criticized for saying, “It is from the desperate, angry and bereaved that these suicide pilots came.” A professor emeritus from the University of Oregon is listed for recommending that “we need to understand the reasons behind the terrifying hatred directed against the U.S. and find ways to act that will not foment more hatred for generations to come.”

Dozens more comments, taken out of context and culled from secondary sources, are presented as examples of an unpatriotic academy.

The American Council of Trustees and Alumni was founded in 1995 by Lynne Cheney, the vice president’s wife, and Sen. Joseph Lieberman. Its Website claims that it contributed $3.4 billion to colleges and universities last year, making it “the largest private source of support for higher education.” Cheney is cited several times in the report, and is reportedly a close associate of its authors, Jerry Martin and Anne Neal.

Although the council’s stated objectives include the protection of academic freedom, the report resembles a blacklist. In a chilling use of doublespeak, it affirms the right of professors to speak out, yet condemns those who have attempted to give context to Sept. 11, encourage critical thinking, or share knowledge about other cultures. Faculty are accused of being “short on patriotism” for attempting to give students the analytical tools they need to become informed citizens.

Many of those blacklisted are top scholars in their fields, and it appears that the report represents a kind of academic terrorism designed to strike fear into other academics by making examples of respected professors.

The report might also function to extend control over sites of democratic debate — our universities — where freedom of expression is not only permitted but encouraged.

At my campus, symposiums, teach-ins and lectures about religion, terrorism, central Asia, the Middle East and U.S. foreign policy have been organized recently. A teach-in entitled “Background for Understanding” drew hundreds of students, faculty and citizens from many political and intellectual perspectives. The audience had the opportunity to ask questions and comment freely. The discussion was lively and at times contentious.

As a microcosm of society, the university is a place where people of different ethnicities, religions, generations, and class backgrounds exchange ideas and opinions. Anyone who has visited Bay Area colleges knows that they are especially rich places for intercultural exchange.

The vigorous and often heated debates typical of such encounters are a hallmark of democratic processes. On most campuses this can still be done freely, but official accusations of anti-Americanism might intimidate and silence some voices.

That is not patriotism, but fascism. The American Council’s position is inaccurate and irresponsible. Critique, debate, and exchange — not blind consensus or self-censorship — have characterized America since its inception.

Our universities are not failing America. On the contrary, they are among the few institutions offering alternatives to canned mainstream media reports.

The targeting of scholars who participate in civic debates might signal the emergence of a new McCarthyism directed at the academy. Before it escalates into a full-blown witch hunt in the name of “defending civilization,” faculty, students and citizens should speak out against these acts of academic terrorism.

A former US Republican congressman has resigned from the advisory board of a university alumni group after it emerged the latter was offering students money to police “liberal” professors at the University of California, Los Angeles. James Rogan, who served two terms in office, sent an email on Wednesday to Andrew Jones, the head of the Bruin Alumni Association, saying he did not want his name connected to the group. Mr Rogan’s resignation follows those of the Harvard historian Stephan Thernstrom and the UCLA professor emeritus Jascha Kessler, who both resigned from the board once they learned of the group’s activities.

The group has been offering students up to US$100 (£57) to supply tape recordings and notes from classes to expose professors suspected of pushing liberal political views on their students. The targeted professors have likened the effort to a witchhunt.

“Any sober, concerned citizen would look at this and see right through it as a reactionary form of McCarthyism,” said Peter McLaren, an education professor whom the association named as No 1 on its list of The Dirty Thirty: Ranking the Worst of the Worst.

A former US Republican congressman has resigned from the advisory board of a university alumni group after it emerged the latter was offering students money to police “liberal” professors at the University of California, Los Angeles. James Rogan, who served two terms in office, sent an email on Wednesday to Andrew Jones, the head of the Bruin Alumni Association, saying he did not want his name connected to the group. Mr Rogan’s resignation follows those of the Harvard historian Stephan Thernstrom and the UCLA professor emeritus Jascha Kessler, who both resigned from the board once they learned of the group’s activities.

The group has been offering students up to US$100 (£57) to supply tape recordings and notes from classes to expose professors suspected of pushing liberal political views on their students. The targeted professors have likened the effort to a witchhunt.

“Any sober, concerned citizen would look at this and see right through it as a reactionary form of McCarthyism,” said Peter McLaren, an education professor whom the association named as No 1 on its list of The Dirty Thirty: Ranking the Worst of the Worst.

Lynne Cheney-Joe Lieberman Group Puts Out a Blacklist by Roberto J. Gonzalez

AN aggressive attack on freedom has been launched upon America’s college campuses. Its perpetrators seek the elimination of ideas and activities that place Sept. 11 in historical context, or critique the so-called war on terrorism. The offensive, spearheaded by the American Council of Trustees and Alumni, a Washington-based group, threatens free speech, democratic debate and the integrity of higher education. In an incendiary report, “Defending Civilization: How Our Universities Are Failing America,” the American Council claims that “colleges and university faculty have been the weak link in America’s response” to Sept. 11. It also asserts that “when a nation’s intellectuals are unwilling to defend its civilization, they give comfort to its adversaries.”

The report documents 117 campus incidents as “evidence” of anti-Americanism. More than 40 professors are named, including the president of Wesleyan University, who suggested in an open letter that “disparities and injustices” in American society and the world can lead to hatred and violence.

Other examples abound. A Yale professor is criticized for saying, “It is from the desperate, angry and bereaved that these suicide pilots came.” A professor emeritus from the University of Oregon is listed for recommending that “we need to understand the reasons behind the terrifying hatred directed against the U.S. and find ways to act that will not foment more hatred for generations to come.”

Dozens more comments, taken out of context and culled from secondary sources, are presented as examples of an unpatriotic academy.

The American Council of Trustees and Alumni was founded in 1995 by Lynne Cheney, the vice president’s wife, and Sen. Joseph Lieberman. Its Website claims that it contributed $3.4 billion to colleges and universities last year, making it “the largest private source of support for higher education.” Cheney is cited several times in the report, and is reportedly a close associate of its authors, Jerry Martin and Anne Neal.

Although the council’s stated objectives include the protection of academic freedom, the report resembles a blacklist. In a chilling use of doublespeak, it affirms the right of professors to speak out, yet condemns those who have attempted to give context to Sept. 11, encourage critical thinking, or share knowledge about other cultures. Faculty are accused of being “short on patriotism” for attempting to give students the analytical tools they need to become informed citizens.

Many of those blacklisted are top scholars in their fields, and it appears that the report represents a kind of academic terrorism designed to strike fear into other academics by making examples of respected professors.

The report might also function to extend control over sites of democratic debate — our universities — where freedom of expression is not only permitted but encouraged.

At my campus, symposiums, teach-ins and lectures about religion, terrorism, central Asia, the Middle East and U.S. foreign policy have been organized recently. A teach-in entitled “Background for Understanding” drew hundreds of students, faculty and citizens from many political and intellectual perspectives. The audience had the opportunity to ask questions and comment freely. The discussion was lively and at times contentious.

As a microcosm of society, the university is a place where people of different ethnicities, religions, generations, and class backgrounds exchange ideas and opinions. Anyone who has visited Bay Area colleges knows that they are especially rich places for intercultural exchange.

The vigorous and often heated debates typical of such encounters are a hallmark of democratic processes. On most campuses this can still be done freely, but official accusations of anti-Americanism might intimidate and silence some voices.

That is not patriotism, but fascism. The American Council’s position is inaccurate and irresponsible. Critique, debate, and exchange — not blind consensus or self-censorship — have characterized America since its inception.

Our universities are not failing America. On the contrary, they are among the few institutions offering alternatives to canned mainstream media reports.

The targeting of scholars who participate in civic debates might signal the emergence of a new McCarthyism directed at the academy. Before it escalates into a full-blown witch hunt in the name of “defending civilization,” faculty, students and citizens should speak out against these acts of academic terrorism.

You know, this is the kind of shit that really pisses me off. I’ve got a copy of the report concerned, Defending Civilization right here on my desktop, and it’s not much more than an anit-liberal screed with page after page of anecdotal “evidence” that purports to claim an imbalance in the intellectual life on American campuses. I call it a “screed”, because it progresses from a flawed thesis: that it was the responsibility of the academy to respond to Sept. 11th in exactly the same way the report perceives the American public to have done: “with anger, patriotism, and support of military intervention.” We are then offered copious examples of such failure to react in lockstep with the rest of America.

The last time I checked, it was not the mission of most universities to react in lockstep with the masses, nor was “Americanism” (whatever that might be) a central value or concept to be upheld by universities. If this were the case, we might as well write that into the policy manuals of all US universities, do away with all hiring of non-US citizens, and remove all curricular content that might prove controversial and/or challenge previously accepted views of historical matter.

ACTA also paints a crisis in its most recent “report”, Intellectual Diversity: Time for Action, in the purported paucity of “conservative” faculty members. This leaves me with two questions: 1) Where are all these “conservative” academics, and; 2) Why aren’t they applying for jobs?

There is no evidence given of discrimination in the hiring process based on a candidate’s political views. I’ve been involved in at least half a dozen faculty searches in the past few years, and have never once seen the candidate’s political views be an issue — it’s not even a criterion in the application process. Sure, in my field such views would be tangential at best, and in many other fields almost completely irrelevant, but even in the more politically charged environments on campus (many disciplines in the Humanities might fall into this category) I still don’t know of any such discrimination.

IMO it’s largely just another non-issue to inflame the right wing against “liberals”. They’ve been purrty good at that kind of thing in the past: look at the myth of the so called “liberal” media for one.

re #’s 67 & 68:[JCH]– Black people did not arrive in America speaking English. Your ancestors taught them how to speak. Much like in “ROOTS” where your ancestor does the call and response song to the Swahili speaking Kunta Kinte:

Seems like the left wing faculty at our esteemed universities are afraid of free speech.

Students want to record their lectures, which is a common practice. Are the professors afraid that what they are saying might make it out of the classroom? Yes, something might be taken out of context. That is what open discussions are for. I’m betting there has been a lot of intellectual bullying going on in classes, and the students WHO PAY FOR IT ALL are tired of it.

Professors are a protected insular class of demogogues who have decided that they are just smarter than everyone else, and should be able to run the world. They got Summers fired at Harvard, even though students, alums and donors all like him. He didn’t toe the line, so he had to go. There is no diversity of opinion on campus these days.

Yes, something might be taken out of context. That is what open discussions are for.

Yes, it’s very productive for debate when “arguments” are supported with quotes taken out of context. Really moves things forward. Wingnuts have been doing this for decades and look what it has done for them. Now they want to do it in what is the “final frontier” for them – the universities. They got a majority of wingnuts in the Congress running up fiscal deficits now they want a wingnut majority in the universities running intellectual deficits.

I’m betting there has been a lot of intellectual bullying going on in classes, and the students WHO PAY FOR IT ALL are tired of it.

It’s a free country. If a student is displeased with the level of wingnuttiness in their school, they can attend another one – that serves up the appropriate level of wingnut propaganda.

There is no diversity of opinion on campus these days.

Absurd. Moonies, La Rouchians and college republicans were there in my day and they’re still there now. Dream on Janet S.

“Professors are a protected insular class of demogogues who have decided that they are just smarter than everyone else, and should be able to run the world.”

Janet — with all due respect, you are full of shit.

First of all, have you ever been a university professor, let alone worked at a university. Or perhaps you have, in some other way through direct experience, learned of the intellectual life and discourse amongst professors on university campuses? If not, then on what grounds are you basing your assertions?

Secondly, do you know the actual definition of “demagogue”? Your post suggests you do not, and I encourage you to look it up, to ensure that you are using the term correctly.

Now, to address a couple of your points: “Students want to record their lectures, which is a common practice. Are the professors afraid that what they are saying might make it out of the classroom?”

Students do not have the unlimited right to record lectures. They may do so with the professor’s permission, of course, but there are professors I know of who do not allow recording devices in their classrooms for a variety of reasons, personal and professional, but heretofore I have not heard of anyone prohibiting such devices out of a fear by being “blacklisted” by a hysterical right-wing organization. (Given the current political climate in this country, this might very well change.) Even with such stated opposition to recording devices, such professors must comply with university policies that allow for such devices being present when necessary, i.e. in the case of students with disabilities. (It’s a bit unfair to ask a quadriplegic to take notes, for instance, and even more unfair to ban such students from classes because they have no alternative to note-taking by hand.)

“Yes, something might be taken out of context. That is what open discussions are for.”

What exactly are these “open discussions” of which you speak? Certainly the “reports” issued by blatantly partisan operations like ACTA aren’t exactly “open discussions” of the merits of “academic freedom”. (That last term smacks of a cynical sort of doublespeak: you’re free to say whatever you want, so long as it doesn’t contradict previously accepted cultural narratives.)

“I’m betting there has been a lot of intellectual bullying going on in classes, and the students WHO PAY FOR IT ALL are tired of it.”

You can go ahead and keep betting, but until you have some hard factual evidence to back this up, that’s all you’ll be doing.

“There is no diversity of opinion on campus these days.”

Again, I’d like some evidence. Ever attended a facutly senate meeting? Ever been involved in the discussion of curricular issues? Are you aware of the ongoing symposia faculty representatives attend — in addition to their often overloaded responsibilities of teaching, scholarship, and service to the university (and community, in many cases) — in an effort to reform their curricula to make it both more competitive and effective? I doubt receive the scores of emails and other communications that I do during the course of a typical semester dealing with such issues, so I have to doubt that you’re in much of a position to speak authoritatively on such issues.

Mr Tappman – I always respect an argument that ends with sex-ual insults. It shows that you are a very deep and considerate thinker.

Surveys have shown that the percentage of professors who vote dem is about 80-90%. Same goes for journalists in the MSM. It doesn’t mean that there is discrimination, it is more like self-selection. It is also a mindset. If you are a strong individualist looking to make a good home and family, you will tend to look where the most opportunity is, and probably find business. If you are out to save the world and right all the wrong in society, you might more likely look toward academia or journalism. A generalization, I know.

By the way, the right wing has a convenient label for academics who do, as I said above, contradict commonly accepted cultural narratives. They’re called the “BLAME AMERICA FIRST” crowd. It took ACTA all of three pages to make that point:

“Rarely did professors publicly mention heroism, rarely did they discuss the difference between good and evil, the nature of Western political order or the virtue of a free society. Indeed, the message of many in academe was clear: BLAME AMERICA FIRST.” (“Defending Civilization”, p. 3.)

This is “supported” by various and sundry out-of-context quotes, as one might expect.

“Surveys have shown that the percentage of professors who vote dem is about 80-90%.”

Do you mean “who are registered as Democrats”? Even so, political affiliation is not a reliable indicator of lecture content. I know that might be hard for some right-wingers to swallow — that a “liberal” college professor might actually not only lecture on points of view diametrically opposed to his or her own, but even encourage such discourse in the classroom — but it is true.

Janet S.: What surveys? Do the surveys isolate schools and give a breakdown on them. I’ll bet Progressives are underrepresented in the schools of Business and Law and overrepresented in , say, Sociology.

It doesn’t mean there is discrimination, it is more like self-selection. If you are a confident, happy person who loves his own family and everyone elses’, you will probably want to enter one of the “helping” professions — like Sociology. If you are only looking out for yourself and your immediate family and think the rest of the world can take a flying leap, you will probably self-select into law or business. A generalization, I know.

Here’s something that a college professor probably won’t tolerate: a close-minded student who prefers the rabid spewing out of prefabricated talking points in place of a reasoned debate. I’ve seen these students at work — on both sides of the political spectrum — and they are very often impervious to both facts and differing points of view, insofar as they both might challenge their comfortable world view.

Dr E – how do you explain the disconnect that has happened at Harvard, where the students and alums like the president, but a small group of influential professors got rid of Summers? Again, I’m sure that all you say is true and that the life of a professor is right up there with mine workers who break rocks all day long. It must be an hard existence, given the shortage of candidates for positions – oh, that’s right – there is no shortage. Tenure buys you life security.

I really am tired of the line that unless you work in an environment, you have no ability to comment on it. It isn’t true, and is intellectually lazy. I’m sure professors earn what they are paid, because they would go get other jobs if they weren’t. There is a large market for English professors who deconstruct poetry. Don’t get me wrong – if you can get someone to pay for you to do lots of silly irrelevant research, great! If they require that you actually teach a class and talk to a student now and then, well, that is just the price you have to pay.

This is just the opening shot in the right wing’s long-planned “intellectual cleansing” campaign against America’s universities and colleges. Their ultimate goal is to remove professors they deem “too liberal” from campuses everywhere, and turn academic institutions into instruments of propaganda for the right wing agenda, just as they have done to the so-called “liberal media” (raucous bunny laughter in background).

“We are the only country in history that has beaten its plowshares into swords.”

Not really. The neoCONS are following a well worn path in the footsteps of such historical luminaries as Genghis Khan, Caligula, the Crusaders, Napoleon, Kaiser Willie, Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, and others.

In the Giant World Scheme of Things –Think of the value of a degreee from Bob Jones University or Liberty Bell University —yes, RR. those are the models for advanced education, where the home and charter schoolers go.

And of course the Christian college age virgins, both sexes, get engaged — no sexual contact, abstinance, and enter the modern world prepared for the rosy future working at W Mart with grandma.

“Ok wingnuts are you going to call for Buckley to be tried and hanged for sedition just like you did for Howard Dean?”

Of course they will! Any criticism of wingnutism is treason. And if the criticism comes from one of their own kind, the critic gets double points. I guess that means Ann Coulter gets to execute Buckley twice.

Tappman – you are over the top in some of your remarks. Just go beat off with your plastic doll and quit insulting the women. Sexist pig – give a shit if you are right or left. And your fantasies will work at other sites.

“we might as well write that into the policy manuals of all US universities, do away with all hiring of non-US citizens, and remove all curricular content that might prove controversial and/or challenge previously accepted views of historical matter.”

Actually, this is partly what they’re after, except for the least phrase, which should be reworded to read: “all curricular content that might challenge the beliefs of right wingers.”

Here we have Janet S (aka Kevin Carnes) weighing in with her flighty opinion. Geez and here I thought Janet S was dead or something, because I hadn’t seen her/his/its posts for a while. Oh well. To put a happy face on it, if that’s possible, I guess we need at least one apologist for McCarthyism on this board — just to keep things lively.

“If you are a strong individualist looking to make a good home and family, you will tend to look where the most opportunity is, and probably find business. If you are out to save the world and right all the wrong in society, you might more likely look toward academia or journalism. A generalization, I know.”

Your implication that people in business care more about their families is total pap! Your claim that “strong individualists” are more likely to be businessmen than academics or journalists puts on display your utter ignorance. There is no occupation in which social and intellectual conformity is more completely demanded or rigidly enforced than business, except the military. Janet, you are an idiot!

People go into business because they want money or because that’s what their interests and aptitudes lay, not because they have more family values than people in other occupations. In fact, to the contrary, small business owners and corporate ladder climbers often spend so much time working they neglect their families and end up divorced.

As for the “blame America first” charge, what’s wrong with a little introspection, self-reflection, and self-criticism? I’ll tell you what’s wrong with it — if they let people think about our right wing government’s endless fuck ups, they might do something about it — like vote our right wing government out of office.

Good Reverend — I know you mean well, but you misunderstand the nature of both law professors and law students. There is a good deal more do-gooder sentiment in law schools than you realize. To quote an old law school cliche: “A students become professors, B students become judges, and C students make money.”

Let’s see, how many failed experiments did Edison conduct before he came up with a light bulb that worked? As I recall, it was over 2,000. Now there’s an example of a guy who did “lots of silly irrelevant research.”

Oh, beat me with that wet noodle some more, Janet S! Myself, I am so tired of meetings & conversations in the private sphere where idiots casually bring up bigoted right wing nuttery of the worst most ignorant kind with a casual unflappability that leads me to believe their ignorance and predjudice is expected to be shared by their “audience” as a matter of course.

By the way, tell me some more about democracy and diversity of opinion in the boardroom again, won’t you?

Regarding those survey results, I challenge you to cite a specific study that was published in a reputable, peer-reviewed journal.

In the meantime, I invite you to untangle your anti-intellectualism from your partisanship. You seem to be equating Democrats = biased teaching = irrelevant research priorities. If I am correctly interpreting you, that strikes me as vastly overreaching.

I’ve worked in journalism and higher ed., and am hardly a knee-jerk defender of either. However, I get tired of ill-informed, broad-brush “bashing” exercises because it isn’t helpful if the goal is meaningful institutional reform. For example, you complain about faculty who don’t talk to students. In my experience, there are two reasons for this phenomenon: Increasingly large class sizes, and faculty evaluation criteria that emphasize publishing over teaching.

I get the impression that you work in political “p.r.” Yes, that’s a tough field, but you know what? I strongly suspect that the professors I know who are dedicated to meeting student needs work longer hours and get paid considerably less than you do.

Once again, Janet, your post displays some basic ignorance of life in the academy. To wit:

“It must be an hard existence, given the shortage of candidates for positions – oh, that’s right – there is no shortage. Tenure buys you life security.”

First of all, there is a shortage of candidates in some areas, and I have seen more than one search canceled for lack of qualified and/or capable individuals. This is particularly problematic for the more cash-strapped universities who cannot offer competitive salaries. Washington state, by the way, fares quite poorly.

“I really am tired of the line that unless you work in an environment, you have no ability to comment on it. It isn’t true, and is intellectually lazy.”

There’s nothing intellectually lazy about my factual comment. Unless you have worked within the intricacies of the system, which can be highly bureaucratic, you really don’t have much reference to comment on it in a truly substantive way. There is something, however, that is quite intellectually lazy about your comment above, which is that you don’t back up your accusation (i.e. of intellectual laziness) one iota.

Incidentally, university internal (faculty) environments can often be bitterly political; I would imagine that such political infighting had a lot to do with Summers resignation, but saying anything more than that (not having worked at Harvard during the time concerned) would be little more than speculation.

“I’m sure professors earn what they are paid, because they would go get other jobs if they weren’t. There is a large market for English professors who deconstruct poetry. Don’t get me wrong – if you can get someone to pay for you to do lots of silly irrelevant research, great! If they require that you actually teach a class and talk to a student now and then, well, that is just the price you have to pay.”

This is precisely the anti-intellectual stance right-wingers exhibit that truly imperils the future of this country. If you can’t understand the importance of, say, critical theory to the intellectual life of the nation, then you’re not really in much of a position to comment on such intellectual life.

This involves the location of the boundary between Russia and the U.S. in the Bering sea. The U.S.-U.S.S.R. Maritime Boundary Agreement of 1991 left to further negotiation the question of sovereignty over several small islands and rocks. This proposed treaty apparently was rejected by Russia, and it appears the U.S. observes it under an Executive Order.

An official State Department Fact Sheet published in 2003 stated:

“No negotiations regarding the U.S.-Russia maritime boundary have occurred since 1990, when the U.S.-USSR Maritime Boundary Agreement was signed. The negotiations that led to that agreement did not address the status of Wrangel Island, Herald Island, Bennett Island, Jeannette Island, or Henrietta Island, all of which lie off Russia’s Arctic coast, or Mednyy (Copper) Island or rocks off the coast of Mednyy Island in the Bering Sea. None of the islands or rocks above were included in the U.S. purchase of Alaska from Russia in 1867, and they have never been claimed by the United States, although Americans were involved in the discovery and exploration of some of them.”

And to add to that: faculty overloads. There is a critical shortage of faculty in many areas, with faculty numbers not increasing to meet the corresponding increase in student populations. Try balancing a 12-credit teaching load (which for myself and many of my colleagues ends up verging on 16-credits) with research/creative endeavors and service to the institution. FYI, many universities calculate credit loads in somewhat curious ways, where one “contact hour” with a student does not necessarily translate into one credit. Something has got to give somewhere.

Facutly- and cash-strapped academic units tend to try to cope the best they can, which is often through the hiring of adjunct and/or part-time faculty, who often get saddled with unfair (and unrealistic) burdens, taking the courses with the highest enrollments, etc. Add to that the fact that many adjunct faculty are fresh out of graduate school and have little, if any teaching experience, and are supposed to get it when thrown into such environments, while simultaneously trying to bolster their resumes through research, publication, presentation at conferences, etc. — just to try to bolster their CV’s to help get themselves hired permanently somewhere. Again, something has got to give, and what do you think that would be?

The right wing complaint, as I understand it, is that the State Department and Bush administration should assert U.S. claims to these islands and rocks, instead of concluding there is no legal basis for such claims.

The right wing web site “State Department Watch” (which styles itself as a “non-partisan” watchdog group) also demanded criminal prosecution of government officials who “gave away” these islands and rocks to Russia.

“When you can have a discussion without gratutious insults, I’ll respond.”

That’s like us saying, “When you can discuss Iraq without calling us ‘unpatriotic’ or ‘un-American’ or ‘commies,’ we’ll respond.” Sorry, it doesn’t work that way. Bush lied about WMDs in Iraq. He fixed the intelligence around the policy. Even if removing Saddam was a good idea anyway, Bush’s policy of allowing the CIA and military to torture Iraqis blew any chance of gaining popular Iraqi support for the U.S. invasion, and probably ensured a U.S. defeat in Iraq. The fact the Republican idiots responsible for this mess call us names doesn’t mean we shouldn’t talk about what their stupidity and corruption is costing our country and American taxpayers.

Yeah Bob, I’m all too familiar with that vision. If I ran a company and someone with a degree from Bob Jones University applied for a management job, I wouldn’t consider that a qualification for the position. I’d rather see a degree from Harvard, Wharton, Stanford, or the University of Washington Business School, or — for that matter — from Highline Community College.

In reading Janet’s comments I can’t help but think it is the same specious argument the righties use on the media. It is the F-Channel of academia. Forget the fact that most academics have come to their informed position due to the FACTS, the righties use the same formula. Informed, academic rigor based on facts = Left wing bias.

Why does that not suprise me given we have been subjected to the rule of a bunch of criminals who think all you have to do to achieve the world they want … is WANT IT. This is the Latter Rain movement of government (name it, claim it).

Janet, serious misinformed delusions don’t make an academic position. The purpose of college is to discipline the mind so it knows fact from fiction. Could that be why there are more of us than you? Could that be why those that question the positions of their teachers are called “students” instead of “professors”?

Janet S.: I am not hearing from you on this Ward Churchill thing. You have, in the past, expressed strong feelings on what you think should happen to Ward Churchill and how he should lose his position at university in Colorado. But did you ever give the man you wanted to hang out to dry the courtesy of reading even ONE thing that he wrote that wasn’t some out of context passage from a right wing magazine.

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I’m winning. That’s why you are under represented at universities — because you are dishonest and have no intellectual curiousity.

Here’s a quote from Ronald Reagan when he was asked to explain why he was against student loans: “Why should the private sector have to subsidize intellectual curiousity?”

B from B: Would a clitoris the size of a mango make you rethink your position on gay sex? I’ve never seen one in real life, but I saw some photos in Penthouse. Janet S. could do worse than have a clitoris the size of a mango. Your negative assessment of a mango-sized love button might hurt the feelings of a chick who has one. Doesn’t she deserve at least as much care and respect as you give to that hatemonger, Janet S. Her boyfriend has nipples the size of pie-plates.

I never thought the day would come, but I have to agree with Roger that the deal to allow the UAE company to control some parts of the harbor operations is a bad thing for the US. I think this thing has been completely botched by this whitehouse and we should not have any foreign companies control a vital part of our economy. The history and the connection of the UAE (as many so eloquently state) is enough to warrant suspicion of this deal.

And while we are up there, I hope congress in their unity will now not worry about pulling out Arab males (of females as we have seen female suicide bombers already) traveling light in airport controls, making sure they are scrutinized correctly based on their possible connection etc. A few weeks back I was traveling with my 80 year old mother when she was pulled out and almost strip searched at the airport control, while two Arab males just went through unhindered and unchecked. Weird

I’m glad Roger and Donna et al are now seeing the light there as well. Thanks

Seadog, Roger, Donna and other hateful moonbats – I’m glad to see you show your true colors… that all brown people represent a threat to us and must not be allowed to soil our nation with their presence. You talk of tolerance and diversity, but you sure don’t walk the talk. Typical fucking hypocrite democrats…

Rev – why would I want to talk to someone who is hung up on “dirty talk”? I suspect the mark of a small mind.

Okay, I take back the comment about those persuing academia or journalism to be less family oriented than those who go into business. But I maintain the “saving the world” mind set. There is nothing wrong with it, someone has to do it. But don’t expect to get rich doing so.

One of the problems at universities these days is the way it is all funded. Students who get degrees benefit the most, and yet we seem to find new and different ways to keep them from paying for it. State schools charge only a fraction of what it costs, and private schools give scholarships and aid pretty easily to good students. But somehow, it never seems to result in lower college costs. The cost of college, if you consider the full cost and not the subsidized cost, has risen faster than even health care.

This is a simple economics problem – if the govt subsidizes, the price of the good rises to accommodate the subsidy. Professors are paid quite well in some institutions, particularly if they do a lot of writing and consulting on the side. Others struggle. But, if you can’t make a living at it, don’t do it. Go find a job outside of academia, or stop griping.

Research will happen even if the university system doesn’t fund it. Private business should be paying for it since they will reap the benefits. Pharmaceuticals and biotechs are doing lots of research, some of it independent, some in conjunction with academia. As long as both benefit, I’m fine with it. I am not a fan of the govt paying for lots of research that then is cashed in on by some company jumping in.

You moonbats against UAE operating ports… did you ever stop to think that those horrible brown people who are (according to you) all terrorists… are the ones who load nearly ALL the ships that come here? So the question is…. should Murka stop accepting shipments from foreign ports that are managed by that foreign country? Should we “invade” every port in the world and put our own kind in there?

MTR — it’s great to see you’ve become a champion of diversity and non-discrimination. I’m not against ARAB companies running U.S. ports, I’m against FOREIGN companies running U.S. ports. That would include white guys from Britain or Canada. I have a problem with giving away American jobs to other countries, get it? Glad to see you’ve adopted the AFL-CIO position. Now you can tell your friends that you’re a fellow traveler of Roger Rabbit and organized labor.

MTR — if you asked me about white guys from Russia running U.S. ports, I’d say there might be a national security implication to that. So, you see, it’s not about skin color after all. I’m just asking a simple question: Why shouldn’t American ports be run by Americans? Not too complicated.

I think the nukes are alreay loaded somewhere in one of the Midle East Ports – waiting shippment for when the Emirs have enough control for their people to let them in.

Then they are here – for use in the politics of the fanatics or blackmail.

Mark the Dog Breath, you are foolish. America is First, and no one in their right mind wants to send control of any major infrastructure to Arab Kings. Send you kid there for schooling. Or you daughters to the whore houses of the Emirs. They like blonds, unspoiled.

Interesting how hard it is for you to think. and separate issues.

Remember, we finallyu stop selling scrap to the Japanese prior to Pearl harbor.

“So it won’t be too much longer before we have to go bomb the fuck out of Iran. Comment by Mark The Redneck— 2/25/06 @ 4:00 pm”

Vagina Lips — I hang on to my NOV stock precisely because every time wingnuts like you talk about bombing the fuck out of Iran, it goes up $10 a share! — and because I think you guys are stupid enough to do it! If that happens, I’m gonna make 1000% on my oil stocks. $7.50 a gallon for gas won’t be a problem for me, because with two powerful hind feet to get around with, I don’t have to drive.

Patriot – That’s OK. I just want to clearly establish here that you moonbats judge people 100% by the color of their skin. If they are brown, they are be definition dangerous according to you.

Wabbit and others here have correctly stated that “Not all Arabs are terrorists, but all terrorists are Arabs”. UAE is the most forward looking country over there and have been one of our few allies in the region as we start WW 3. They chose to be on the right side… the side that will win.

I’m a helluva lot more worried about foreigners loading ships than I am in who calls the truck drivers and arranges for trains to show up. I’m a helluva lot more worried about Iran’s nukes than I am in who decides which ship docks next.

You moonbats gotta dig into the details a bit and understand how ports work. I’m no expert, but I have listened to both sides of the argument. It’s not a brown/white thing as you guys make it out to be. Shit, at least educate yourselves instead of just reacting with knee jerk hate and racism.

“So it won’t be too much longer before we have to go bomb the fuck out of Iran. Since brown people who really are a threat live there, I assume all you moonbats will be cheering.”

Which “brown” people would those be, Mark? I would imagine that, with a comment like that, you must know of some direct and credible threat from a nation some 7000 miles away. Do they want to kill us, blow us up, kabooom? And on whose authority do we know that?

I’m just wondering, ‘cuz last I checked Osama was still officially alive (according to Bushco) and at large.

“This is a simple economics problem – if the govt subsidizes, the price of the good rises to accommodate the subsidy. Professors are paid quite well in some institutions, particularly if they do a lot of writing and consulting on the side. Others struggle. But, if you can’t make a living at it, don’t do it. Go find a job outside of academia, or stop griping.”

Janet — so you agree, then, that if a lawyer makes $1 million a year by suing doctors this is a worthwhile pursuit?

E – Are you really that fucking stupid? Put down the bong. It has mathematical clarity.

The anti port people here are making the assumption that all arabs are terrorists. I’m saying that’s not true… that while all terrorists are arabs, not all arabs are terrorists and therefore some of them can be trusted.

I’m also wondering how much influence the unions are having here. Clearly, there could be an impact to the unions who currently have members at the ports. Is that all this is about? Since the unions have bought and paid for the Dems, is that what’s behind this? Surely it is a factor… probably a major factor in the way this is being presented.

Janet, you are soooooo dense. If we’re gonna charge college students the full cost of attending college, why not charge children (or their parents) the cost of attending K-12 schools? Yeah, I’ll bet you’re in favor of that! The reason we publicly subsidize education, dummy, is because

a) A democracy needs an informed electorate, and b) Educating our citizens at government expenses raises the productivity, competitiveness, and innovation of our economy.

Nov. 14, 2001: Senate Democrats propose $15 billion for homeland security; the White House warns against “permanent spending on other projects that have nothing to do with stimulus and that will only expand the size of government.”

“Although Bush took credit for creating the new Department of Homeland Security, he vigorously opposed the idea when Democrats first proposed it. He insisted that a presidential adviser with no accountability to the American people would be more effective than a new Cabinet member. White House Press Secretary Ari Fleischer said President Bush thought that a Department of Homeland Security was ‘just not necessary.’ Tom Ridge — then homeland security adviser — said that he would recommend that Bush veto legislation to create a Cabinet-level Department of Homeland Security.”

“While the Department of Homeland Security has issued new warnings of terrorist hijackings on commercial airlines this summer, Republicans on the House Appropriations Committee voted just last week against a Democratic amendment to add $50 million in funding to prevent the Transportation Security Administration from cutting the number of air marshals. The vote came during the Committee’s mark-up of the 2003 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations bill, which funds the TSA’s air marshal program.”

“Senate Republicans once again blocked a vote on homeland security legislation solely because it preserved collective beginning rights and civil service protections for the 170,000 federal workers who would make up the new department.Sixty votes are needed to end debate and bring the measure to a floor vote, the move failed by a 52-45 count, with almost solid GOP opposition. President Bush has threatened to veto any measure that does not give him unlimited power over the workers and Senate Republicans also rejected a bipartisan bill that gave Bush most of what he sought.”

“The anti port people here are making the assumption that all arabs are terrorists. I’m saying that’s not true… that while all terrorists are arabs, not all arabs are terrorists and therefore some of them can be trusted.”

You’ve got to be kidding — all terrorists are Arabs? If that were the case, then what the fuck are we doing talking about bombing Iran because there are “terrorists” over there?

So, given the history of the Homeland Security Department, you should be able to easily see why Bush doesn’t mind letting Arabs run our ports if it gets rid of the unions. Given a choice between terrorists or unions, he’d rather have terrorists.

“Hundreds of Iraqis are being tortured to death or summarily executed every month in Baghdad alone by death squads working from the Ministry of the Interior, the United Nations’ outgoing human rights chief in Iraq has revealed.

“John Pace, who left Baghdad two weeks ago, told The Independent on Sunday that up to three-quarters of the corpses stacked in the city’s mortuary show evidence of gunshot wounds to the head or injuries caused by drill-bits or burning cigarettes. Much of the killing, he said, was carried out by Shia Muslim groups under the control of the Ministry of the Interior.”

Rabbit – I think it’s great that you’ve become a capitalist. Really. You serve as an example to the other moonbats here that free markets are a great thing. If you’ve got money through your own sources, you won’t be lobbying the grouchoandharpoists in FUWA to steal my hard earned money to pay for your stupid choices and lack of character.

E – Because your brain is so addled by dope that you can’t follow simple logic. That’s why you work at Laughingstock U and the only job you can get is leeching off those of us who pay all the fucking taxes.

“Because your brain is so addled by dope that you can’t follow simple logic. ”

Sorry Mark, there was no simple logic to follow. In fact, you posted nothing other than an ad hominem non-response. Just FYI, the ad hominem argument in all its varieties is inherently illogical. So, (ad hominem follows) put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Not in Iran. Israel bombed an above-ground reactor in Iraq. Learning from Saddam’s experience, Iran has dispersed and undergrounded their nuclear facilities, which makes it far harder to take out their nuclear program.

Goldy, is post #13 a “fair use” post? Or, is it “Hey it’s from Roger. Even it’s full a of bullshit post, he’s from the left so he gets a pass!” You love to let Roger Rabbit slide under the radar when complaining of people like klake when they post long winded articles. Be fair and implement the “fair use” policy fairly.

Now for the content. Yeah right Roger. Where were you in the 90s? Were you complaining about it then against the donkocraps or is it only a sldge hammer issue now against Republicans? You are such a dork!

This article from the English-language on-line edition of the German newspaper Der Speigel suggests the U.S. is preparing airstrikes against Iran in 2006, and concludes that ” … even experts in the West are skeptical of whether a military intervention against nuclear installations in Iran could succeed.”

Hmmmm. My intuition is that a military intervention in i Iran would have all the success of a military intervention in Iraq. . . . .oh, never mind! My memory is a little hazy, but it seems to me that the Iranians will need several hundred thousand fuctioning centrifuges to produce appreciable quantities of enriched uranium. What I clearly remember is the assessment that at their current technical level they can only create about 100 functional centrifuges per month. They have only had this level of technical proficiency for a couple of years. My gradeschool math tells me that an appreciable nuclear arsenal OF ONLY IRANIAN PROVENANCE is more than a couple of years away. The game that is afoot here is NOT just about Iranian technical progress. The reality is they can easily, with their current level of technical proficiency, attain such an arsenal if supplied from OUTSIDE. What seems to be driving the military-political thinking here has more to do with, oh say, North Korea, or Pakistan, or the PRC, or even GWB’s soulmate, Putin, than any technical-scientific team in Iran.

Dr. E, that really breaks my heart! Isn’t she the same righteous Katherine Harris that pulled every trick in the book to squash minority voters in Florida when she was SOS? Another one of the Bush Brigade is gonna bite the bullet………… the house of cards and mirrors and lies is a tumbling down….

The wild card, of course, would be if Iran followed the same course as N. Korea, and used their first little ‘nut’ of enriched uranium to build a fastchain reactor and go for plutonium. . .assuming ANYONE would stand still for that one. . . .

Officials with the U.A.E. government, Central Bank and airports in the emirates of Sharjah and Dubai all insisted that the emirates have been vigilant foes of terrorism. “The U.A.E. has been consistent in its cooperation,” a Ministry of Information spokesman said. All of the U.A.E. officials declined to be identified by name.

But current and former U.S. officials who urged the U.A.E. government to take action against Al Qaeda before Sept. 11 worry about the durability of the new commitment.

By then, though, Al Qaeda and Taliban operatives had burrowed deep inside the emirates. Bin Laden’s terrorists found “deep-pocket contributions, government assistance, charities, banks, couriers and other ways of making money,” said one U.S. official. The emirates’ “assistance” took the form of “preventing information, preventing action,” said one former National Security Council official.

At times, even the emirates’ rulers betrayed sympathy for some of Bin Laden’s aims.

One telling comment came during a 1999 meeting in the emirates between emirate and American officials on the sensitive topic of money laundering. The session was so important to the U.S. that the request had come from President Clinton himself, in a letter to the emirates’ president, and in another from Defense Secretary William S. Cohen to his emirates counterpart.

The Americans were intent on blocking Al Qaeda’s money in the wake of its coordinated attacks on two U.S. embassies in east Africa. But a senior sheik said it would be difficult to distinguish between Al Qaeda funds used for criminal activities such as the bombings and money meant for what he viewed as more acceptable training of Islamic rebels in Bosnia and Chechnya.

The visitors were stunned.

“That was a showstopper,” said a U.S. official familiar with the conversation.

Yeah lets hand control for 21 US Ports the the U.A.E government owned Dubai Ports World.

They have extensive experience in funding and supplying terrorists. And as far as ports are concerned, U.A.E ports were used as a key transfer point for illegal shipments of nuclear components to Iran, North Korea and Lybia.

re 223: Ronald Reagan was the worst thing that ever happened to this country. I lost all respect for the WWII generation when their final gift to their children was to turn it over to a bunch Ronald Reagan and his band of traitors who sold us out.

Every Republican along with all the rest of fair minded people would welcome a re-registration of all voters. The democrats do not. “Prima facie” evidence that donks are cheats. Donks are all talk and no action when coming to election reform. And it is obvious why.

Voting for George W. Bush is just as stupid as killing people over cartoons. The “Evil Ones” in case you haven’t noticed is a cartoon image of a complex reality that GWB uses to motivate dildoes like MTR to hate and kill — except for the port security business endorsed by president monkey butt.

All youRepublican assholes want to do is sell off the country so we can pay for the tax cuts you’re giving the rich. The things you do are not nuanced, they are just the actions of stupid people who want to show the smart liberals what’s what and hurt themselves and everyone else in the process.

Reagan was a dunce. And anyone who voted for him was an even bigger dunce.

Sorry klake, the dunce hat is for you. Go back and read the original posts from which your quote came. You can, however, redeem yourself by taking the simple quiz (see various posts above) which MTR has either refused to take. (Who knows, maybe he’s still researching the answers?)

“My NeoCon world is falling around me; The Iraq Civil War; The Horrible Economy; Selling Port Operations to Terrorist Supporting States; Vice President Shooting Old Men in the Face; Ken Lay; Scooter Libby; Duke Cunningham; DeLay; … it goes on and on…”

Comment by Roger Rabbit— 2/25/06 @ 6:24 pm Roger it was a good thing you didn’t stay in the military and served us all by becoming a lawyer. I don’t tell you haw to run a law office please don’t tell the military how to win wars.

Good point. Check out #218 & 219 above, if you haven’t yet. I find this quote to be particularly interesting:

“Exports to the East Questions remain regarding whether Europe is the optimal market for Caspian oil and natural gas. Oil demand over the next 10 to 15 years in Europe is expected to grow by little more than 1 million bbl/d. Oil exports eastward, on the other hand, could serve Asian markets, where demand for oil is expected to grow by roughly 10 million bbl/d over the next 15 years. In particular, Chinese oil consumption is projected to rise almost 6 million bbl/d by 2020. Construction on an $850 million, 613-mile-long pipeline from Atasu, in northwestern Kazakhstan, to Alataw Pass in China’s northwestern Xinjiang region will be completed in December 2005 and marks the first steps to meet this demand. The Kazakhstan-China pipeline, when all three stages are complete, will span almost 1,860 miles from its start in Atyrau to Alashankou in China.”

Explain to me why Iran which MAY have a nuke is more of a cpncern than N. Korea which DOES have one?

Comment by K— 2/25/06 @ 8:19 pm

It is too late to prevent N Korea from getting the bomb now so we have to contain them. That is what we get with donks in control. We need to stop Iran from getting the bomb. The government cant be trusted.

At least with Clinton there was an attempt at rapprochement with the DPRK. Bushco took any semblance of progress and flushed it right on down the toilet. Come to think of it, Bushco took just about all progress made during the Clinton years and flushed it right on down the toilet.

Nice comeback Klake, I know thinking gets difficult with your tiny little microcephallic brain. Can’t argue facts so you go for the slur. You elitist motherfucker. Don’t even know your own state has a Vancouver.

Bushco has behaved like the neighborhood bully who beats up the kid with the biggest sandbox and steals all his toys — and then, just to be spiteful, takes a huge diarrheic shit in the sandbox before he leaves.

Klake, go read something other than Powerline or the Rush Report. Inflation began increasing under the Repugs in the mid-70s. Clinton did not give the N Korea’s the technology to build nukes, they had it and were being carefully watched until Bushco, the eternal bumblers and incompetents let then out of their contract.

Don’t try to comment on the discussions here if you are too fuckin stoopit to know your correct HISTORY.

Klake, go read something other than Powerline or the Rush Report. Inflation began increasing under the Repugs in the mid-70s. Clinton did not give the N Korea’s the technology to build nukes, they had it and were being carefully watched until Bushco, the eternal bumblers and incompetents let then out of their contract.

Don’t try to comment on the discussions here if you are too fuckin stoopit to know your correct HISTORY.

Geez Klake and Rufus. You 2 are such sissies. Mention a couple of inconvenient, commonly known facts and you run. Kinda like your hero-in-chief …. (pick one, Bush, Cheney, Rush, etc etc etc, it’s the common thread amoungst the righties in charge).

Look at Couver run his mouth. You haven’t won shit donk boy. I guess using “couver logic” Clinton rode on the coat tales of the Reagan economy since the boom years started with the Reagan administration. You are learning. Clinton was watching a lot of different things back in his presidency, especially interns. Hehehehehe

Spare me… Do anyone really want their 14 year old daughter hopping on public transit with crazy people, repeat sex offenders, drunks & bums… just to get to school & back… please! I’d be taking my kids out of this joke of a system and moving to the burbs to commute 60 minutes a day…. Seattle is a joke of a city to raise kids in.

Bushco has behaved like the neighborhood bully who beats up the kid with the biggest sandbox and steals all his toys – and then, just to be spiteful, takes a huge diarrheic shit in the sandbox before he leaves.

Comment by Dr. E— 2/25/06 @ 8:55 pm

That what I love about the guy. Most of the rest of the world is a shithole for a reason. It is time to start treating them that way.

Hey dork — it oughta be obvious to everybody with the IQ of a flea that only the condensed part of that comment was supposed to post. Computers do weird shit sometimes, ya know. But hey, if you don’t like it, fuck this http://www.msu.edu/~nixonjos/a.....-unger.jpg

It says here is Chapter 3 verse 5 in the book of Logan. “And on the third recount the great donks created mysterious provisional ballots. And there was exceeding joy in the donk kingdom of KC for their queen was selected leader that day.”

I think it’s time for RUFUS’ to get edjumacated. Let’s take up a collection and send him on a goodwill tour of Burkina Faso. Maybe he can explain to them why he thinks the rest of the world is a “shithole”.

I like sports! I just can’t figure out why taxpayers should subsidize owners, so that they can pay outrageous salaries to the players.

I guess I am missing the Enron/Halliburton connection. Enron was a case of fraud, Halliburton does business with the govt and is paid for it.

I think Starbucks is a great company, and Schultz is quite a brilliant entrepreneur. That doesn’t mean I think he should demand money for his toys from the taxpayer. If he wants a bigger stadium, he can go build it. Will Seattle suffer with the loss of the Sonics? I suspect not.

“What do you donks know about port secutity? Here is a quiz. In 2003 which group blocked criminal background checks for port workers in Baltimore? Comment by RUFUS— 2/25/06 @ 7:48 pm”

I know more than you, Doofus. Here’s why the longshore union opposed the bill offered by Florida Republican Clay Shaw:

1. Clay’s claim that there is “a high incidence of collusion between drug traffickers and port employees” is false.

2. The bill would let employers to conduct wide ranging and intrusive background checks of its workforce without demonstrating any legitimate need for the information.

3. Rep. Clay’s attempt to label dock workers as a major criminal threat was not based on facts and was nothing more than a crass attempt to score political points.

4. The bill provided no safeguards to keep sensistive personal information of innocent workers from being disseminated to individuals and for purposes having no connection to port operations.

5. Under Clay’s bill, there were no limits what information could be collected and the bill would have allowed the release years-old records that have no relation to the dock workers’ work.

6. Under Clay’s bill, workers would have had no right to respond to or explain any information produced by the background checks. Thus, a potential existence for false or incorrect information to affect their employment.

7. Clay’s bill failed to provide any safeguards to prevent inappropriate use of personal information.

The issue was not protecting our ports, but unfair treatment of workers that does nothing to protect our ports. The issue is not blocking criminal background checks, but whether these background checks will be administered in a reasonable manner.

“Inflation was so bad under Carter that if you didn’t drive fast enough to the grocery store you ran low on money. Comment by RUFUS— 2/25/06 @ 8:07 pm”

You’re forgetting Nixon … remember Nixon’s price controls? And Ford … remember Ford’s “Whip Inflation Now?” Where do you think this inflation came from, Doofus? LBJ’s and Nixon’s credit card war in Vietnam, that’s where. And what’s your boy superhero Dumbya doing? Putting a trillion-dollar war on a credit card. What do you think will happen after Dumbya leaves office? Inflation, that’s what. LBJ wasn’t innocent, but Dumbya doesn’t have the excuse that he doesn’t know any better.

“Roger it was a good thing you didn’t stay in the military and served us all by becoming a lawyer. I don’t tell you haw to run a law office please don’t tell the military how to win wars. Comment by klake— 2/25/06 @ 8:11 pm”

–Democrats held White House for 40 years and Republicans for 42.5 years. –Democrats created 75,820,000 net new jobs — Republicans 36,440,000. –Per Year Average-Democrats 1,825,200—Republicans 856,400. –Republicans had 9 presidents during the period and 6 had depression or recession. –DOW-grew by 52% more under Democrats. –GDP-grew by 43% more under Democrats.

Comparing Clinton to Reagan:

–JOBS-grew by 43% more under Clinton. –GDP—grew by 57% more under Clinton. –DOW-grew by 700% more under Clinton.. –NASDAQ-grew by 18 times as much under Clinton. –SPENDING–grew by 28% under Clinton—80% under Reagan. –DEBT-grew by 43% under Clinton-187% under Reagan. –DEFICITS-Clinton got a large surplus–grew by 112% under Reagan. –NATIONAL INCOME-grew by100% more under Clinton. –PERSONAL INCOME-Grew by 110% more under Clinton.

Looks like Republicans just don’t care about workers or jobs. They have other priorities. In fact, Republicans like high unemployment, because when there’s more workers than jobs, they can buy labor cheap.

“Thank you very much RR. You not bad yourself. You are practically an expert at the “KC method” of rigged elections. I think the world would like to hear from you. Especially the third world.”

Oh please! You’re killing me with flattery! I’m just a furry little rodent with a cute cottontail that looks like a marshmallow who eats grass and pops pellets out the other end. Hey — wanna eat my marshmallow? For a good time, call 1-800-RRABBIT!

“I think it’s time for RUFUS’ to get edjumacated. Let’s take up a collection and send him on a goodwill tour of Burkina Faso. Maybe he can explain to them why he thinks the rest of the world is a “shithole”. Comment by Dr. E— 2/25/06 @ 11:26 pm”

Actually, the rest of the world — or a good part of it — IS a shithole. When I arrived in Vietnam, the first thing I noticed was the smell. The whole country smelled like an outhouse. That’s because they didn’t have any outhouses, they took a shit wherever they happened to be standing, which was usually in a rice paddy. I’m not kidding, the whole damn country reeked of human feces. Millions and millions of people taking one or more shits every day, and no place to flush it to. I swear their topsoil is nothing but a 10,000-year accumulation of human and water buffalo feces.

It is past time for the North American Union – and no borders at all between Mexico the US and Canada.

Oh, how can we be so daring. Think – the Euros fought un told wars and came together for prosperity and to stop wars in the 21 st century. Harmony at last. Amazing. And here we are talking of fences between N. American countries. Shameful.

We want more blocks to our two largest trading partners. Or at least two high on the list. How very stupid in a competitive world.

It is manical economic suicide.

Plus, both Canada and Mexico have oil – and democratic based govt.

In one decade of capital flow, many of those workers would stay in Mexico.

EU works. NMFTU should be our dream.

Talking about Latino populations like projections of soon to arrive Mars fopk is stupid. Tens of millions are here, and were here thru the WEST — Western States are becoming brown folk. Thanks mom nature. And very handsome at that.

RR – I never spotted you as regressive.

There must be a guest worker program. There must be amnesty. Take a look Brazil, North America is debating your model of blending peoples – truly he melting pot, again.

Racism to any degreee is an ugly concept. Anti human. Only creates misery and damage, nothing else. Ever.

Racism has created the most horrid poisonous pages of American History, written in blood and suffering, and denied potential.

from AP writer Dave A. in new Sunday P I —- DUELING POLLS. Last week’s report mentioned a Republican poll that showed Sen. Maria Cantwell, D-Wash., with just an eight point lead over her likely GOP challenger, Mike McGavick. Big trouble? Now independent pollster Stuart Elway reports Cantwell with a runaway 30-point lead – 55 percent definitely voting for her or inclined to do so, versus 25 percent inclined or definitely voting McGavick’s way. Elway interviewed 405 voters by phone Feb. 6-9; margin of error plus or minus five percentage points.

-BUSH DRAG. Elway said his polls show Cantwell’s popularity gaining over the past five years and that the state is “darker blue” this year. Referring to President Bush’s dismal numbers here, Elway says “Cantwell will try in this campaign to make McGavick’s middle initial `W.'” Thus far, McGavick hasn’t shown voters a compelling reason to dump Cantwell, he says.

Welcome to the Elecion Dogfight of the Year – This piece is from The Seattle Gay News – Friday edition.

IN THEIR OWN WORDS:Washington State Democrats by Dwight Pelz, Chair, Washington State Democrats [Editor’s Note: In Their Own Words is a new column where individuals and community organizations will tell the Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender community what they will do to defeat Tim Eyman’s anti-Gay referendum and initiative.]

When Governor Chris Gregoire signed into law House Bill 2661, which ensures Gays and Lesbians are protected against discrimination, it marked a victory that was 29 years in the making. This was a fight that has had many champions, Rep. Ed Murray, who has sponsored the legislation for 11 years; the late Sen. Cal Anderson who sponsored it for many years before that; and the countless others in the community who have fought for fair treatment for everyone. The Democratic Party of Washington believes strongly in ensuring equal rights for everyone and opposes discrimination in any form. We support the anti-discrimination bill, having long called for its passage in our state platform for many years. Many of us in the Party admiringly refer to it as the Anderson/Murray act to honor the work of its two most prominent sponsors. I’m proud that every single Democrat in the State House of Representatives voted in support of this bill. Last month, the Democratic Party passed a resolution thanking our legislators. In this same resolution, the Party committed to opposing any referendum to overturn this historic legislation and to encourage Washington citizens to not sign any petition to help get a referendum or initiative onto the ballot. The Democratic Party of Washington will fight against any ballot measure which attempts to repeal the civil rights of our citizens. It’s sad to see that there are people who would attempt to take away these basic civil rights, to actually be pro-discrimination. Led by initiative sponsor-for-hire Tim Eyman, the cynical and close minded have filed an initiative and referendum to overturn the anti-discrimination law. Eyman is distorting the intent and meaning of the law to make a quick buck. Using fear tactics, Eyman would have voters believe the law passed by the legislature is about quotas and preferential treatment. He is purposely using false and inflammatory language to hide the fact that he is openly supporting discrimination. We need to be clear when talking about this law that it is about equal and fair treatment for everyone under the law. As Chair of the Washington State Democratic Party, I will vigorously oppose these sad attempts by Tim Eyman to drag us back into the dark days of Jim Crow-type laws. I believe the fair-minded and progressive voters of Washington will agree and share our values of equal treatment.

Please contrast with Diane Tebilius of the State Repubicans, falling all over herself to say nothing. Ah, so. Any bets – will the Republicans support the Referendum? I think they will follow their long record of massive homophobia and support the roll back attempt. Massive right wing money will flow to this campaign, a bonus for Tibelius and gang.

and you thought Dubai Ports taking over the management and cargo security of 6 ports on the East Coast was bad?

WASHINGTON, Feb. 24 (UPI) — A United Arab Emirates government-owned company is poised to take over port terminal operations in 21 American ports, far more than the six widely reported.

The Bush administration has approved the takeover of British-owned Peninsular & Oriental Steam Navigation Co. to DP World, a deal set to go forward March 2 unless Congress intervenes.

P&O is the parent company of P&O Ports North America, which leases terminals for the import and export and loading and unloading and security of cargo in 21 ports, 11 on the East Coast, ranging from Portland, Maine to Miami, Florida, and 10 on the Gulf Coast, from Gulfport, Miss., to Corpus Christi, Texas, according to the company’s Web site.

I scanned stefan’s little diner too. (for the first time) I was struck by the fact that it is not filled with trolls from our side initiating insults and scatological references. We don’t go there and track off into racist, homophobic slurs.

This — for no other reason — ought to demonstrate just how UNCIVIL the right’s dialog is, and how they have no interest in civil society. Forget that their policies have been proven incorrect time after time. Even assuming thier policies are correct, their lack of civility provides the basis for an America constantly at war with itself.

Who, in their sound mind, would chose a governing vision based on sustaining itself by causing cultural Balkinization, zealotry and constant cultural warfare? Why do they hate America so much?

Hey Bob — I never said I was AGAINST Bush’s guest worker program … I merely pointed out that Bush’s motive is to drive down wages. The wingers are beside themselves! Forced to choose between greed or racism, they’re even more racist than greedy! if that’s possible.

McGavick has an image problem, namely his $14 million CEO salary. How many people would vote for the Big Insurance Candidate from the Big Business Party if they knew who this guy is? That’s why McGavick doesn’t dare put the GOP label on his campaign ads. He wants voters to think he’s a Democrat or independent! Well, one of the reasons. Other reasons for concealing his GOP identity include: Iraq quagmire, torture scandal, Katrina fiasco, corruption, cronyism, ad naus. Mike McG. is giving the term “stealth candidate” a whole new meaning … i.e., when your party is only slightly more popular than the Khmer Rouge, try to fly in under the radar …

Tebilius speechless? Hmmmm. That’s suspect — she loves to hear herself talk so much, her silence is ominous. She’s probably waiting for Karl Rove to get back to her on how to spin this so WSRP’s homophobia doesn’t look like homophobia. You know, the same way they portray torturing innocent Iraqi civilians in their Abu Ghraib hellhole as advancing the cause of freedom …

Cheney gets a call from his “boss”, W. “I’ve got a problem,” says W. “What’s the matter?” asks Cheney. “Well, you told me to keep busy in the Oval Office, so, I got a jigsaw puzzle, but it’s too hard. None of the pieces fit together and I can’t find any edges.” “What’s it a picture of?” asks Cheney. “A big rooster,” replies W. “All right,” sighs Cheney, “I’ll come over and have a look.” So he leaves his office and heads over to the Oval Office. W points at the jigsaw on his desk. Cheney looks at the desk and then turns to W and says, “For crying out loud, Georgie – put the corn flakes back in the box.”

Janet – I’m with you on the Sonics. Let them go. Does anybody GAF about basketball? I have never been to a sonics game and have never watched one on TV. The only good part about basketball are the occasional sound clips you hear on the news… those are priceless.

I’m sure at least some of the moonbats here would want them to stay. Can any of you explain why? Also explain why billionaire owners should get taxpayer money to subsidize their foolish operations.

This old election stuff has shelf life – as they say. During the debacle, I had a couple of friends staying with me.

Like you, Voter Advocate, they were convinced the R’s had stashed ballots in King County to supress the Gregoire count. I was never completely convinced, but it would make perfect sense. Poor Dean Logan, such rosy cheeks, kicked around like an old rag doll.

Onward. That oh so close election should boost voter participation for a very long time. No voices saying my vote is not important, ever again.

I see Donna continues to engage in Patrick J. Buchanan-style populist-xenophobic demagoguery. Dr. E posts a reasonable press release @265 (that he promptly dismisses) explaining how the government assessed the issue:

The ports will remain under the ownership and control of state and local authorities, not DP World. As a port operator, not owner, DP World will manage the physical equipment and movement of containers on and off of ships […] Done so with US workers, naturally. Also, the latest on the review already conducted by the government, and the lone initial objection from Homeland Security, retracted when concessions were obtained.

And then Bob from Boeing goes for the jugular @319, proving that the port security issue is at odds with Dem consistency. To marry the two issues, read this.

An excerpt: In the background, down in the river, is a boat on an undefined, and perhaps perfectly legal, mission. But, the Web site informs us, “with not a single border patrol officer in site.” Spelling error aside, you have to wonder if the candidate wasn’t longing for Dick Cheney’s trusty Perazzi Brescia so he could enforce his own rough border justice. And: Congressional complainers should, as Bush suggested, “step up and explain why a Middle Eastern company is held to a different standard” than the British firm, an offshoot of the venerable old P&O maritime operation, that sold the unit to Dubai Ports World.

“Janet – I’m with you on the Sonics. Let them go. Does anybody GAF about basketball? I have never been to a sonics game and have never watched one on TV. The only good part about basketball are the occasional sound clips you hear on the news… those are priceless.”

Hey MTR — we agree on something! I’ve had it with billionaires ripping off the taxpayers. (Hint: that’s why I’ll never vote for a Republican again.) Let Howard move his team to Bellevue! Janet can watch the games from her “deluxe seating box” (orange crate under faded canvas awning of her 1948 Airstream, with portable TV on folding card table).

They appear to have a consistency problem now, though. Wasn’t so long ago that wingers were talking about annihilating the people they call “ragheads” or “towelheads,” meaning every Muslim on earth and apparently a good many of the rest of the world’s non-Christian* population.

* “Christian,” as used here, refers to the religiously-conservative pseudo-Christians who absurdly claim they believe or practice real Christianity.

Don’t worry Roger, Mark the Retarded Redneck is out there even as we speak, collecting aluminum cans. Just maybe, after getting a refill for those forty ouncers he’ll have some left over to kick toward the gambling debt.

Dr E.: I am sure you uphold the ideals of law professor Dr. Alan Dershowitz.

“But many supporters saw politics in Summers’ departure.

Law professor Alan Dershowitz has argued Summers was done in by a core group of faculty angered over his support for the military, Israel, and for his comments on women in science — the last of which he apologized for repeatedly.

“I’m clearly in the left 20 percent of the country, nationally. I’m a Ted Kennedy liberal,” Dershowitz said. “In the Faculty of Arts and Sciences, I’m in the 10 percent side of the conservatives.”

WithoutaClue@AllOver: Trust me, I am not Kevin. Also the Analbaptist has been posting about dildoes, anal sex, etc. I was clearing the FUD he was spewing.

Roger, since your red bloodshot eyes may have issues reading facts from the link above: “On 22 April 1997, U.S. Defense Department spokesman Kenneth Bacon officially stated, “When the U.S.-North Korea nuclear agreement was signed in Geneva in 1994, the U.S. intelligence authorities already believed North Korea had produced plutonium enough for at least one nuclear weapon.” This was the first time the United States confirmed North Korea’s possession of plutonium.”

BigBullShitterRogerRabbit@Everywhere: You need to read more URLs than the links from Think Progress or even the left leaning ABA!!! It took me all of 0.40 seconds to find the correct URL to flush your bullshit down the toilet! Tsk, tsk!

Now who ask Roger Rabbit to scour the Ether and search the Internet for help on their topic?

Comforting note for all: In the most recent ‘job approval’ survey for the current US Senators the ‘bottom 10’ includes Sen Frist and 8 other RepubliCONS. The change is coming! Just over 8 more months and the entire US can hopefully breathe a sigh of relief when the Democrats take control of at least one of the branches of congress and can start holding GWB accountable for the disaster he has heaped on this nation.

Donnageddon, I forgot to tell you. Lt. Gen. Russel Honore was on CNN last week. Great Interview. Do you remember his “You are stuck on stupid” comment. I immediately thought of you! Then I found these on the net and I modified them for your benefit!

But then this comment is more likely of you: “You are the poster child for birth control. Can’t you see his face in Planned Parenthood? In ancient Greece you would have been left on a hill to die as a baby.”

And Roger, since you claim to fuck as a bunny: “Kill yourself for being stupid. We need to stop you from breeding more dumb bunnies before you spread your idiocy.”

And for cluelessASS: “What part of this do you not understand regarding RevMan and his anal fixations? Am I going to need to draw RevMan working his anal dildo on construction paper with crayon for you to comprehend?”

Puddybud, drawing with color crayons and construction paper are probably the limit of your few talents. And I might agree with you on the RR breeding ‘dumb bunnies’ topic as everyone knows that 98% of all dumb bunnies are on your side of the political spectrum, now runalong, get out your KY Jelly and look for JCH.

“Persian peeples are a different branch. They look different, they speak different, but they worship Mohammad!”

Here’s one thing all you right wingers need to think about before condining Bushco’s beating of the war drums in preparation for a strike on Iran: Iran is an ethnically complex country, made up of a number of different ethnic groups. Some of these groups, like the Kurds and Azeris, span national boundaries and consider the areas of Iran they live in to be part of their ethnic homeland.

Now, we’ve already seen the type of internecine violence that Bush is responsible in Iraq. Do you want that in Iran, too, just because Bushco claims that they’ve got (or will have) nukes? (Which, of course, still leaves open the question as to how they’d lob them at us, but that didn’t stop the panic and fear over an even more tenuous assertion over Iraqi WMDs.) Want real and utter chaos across a good swath of southwest Asia? Bush is your man to deliver the goods.

CluelessASS: I have to iron my clothes for tomorrow’s meeting so I’ll help your sorry excuse for a human being ASS out! The wife and I voted for Brian Sonntag! In fact we remember meeting him once a few years back at some function the wife was invited to! He is a nice guy and smart. We wonder how he became donko because he has a BRAIN, unlike the cluelessASS one! There are good donkocrats doing good work. They are FEW and F A R between though!

rugratASS AKA “I want to Lick Puddy’s Rosebud: Did you figure out where Dulles Airport is located? Hint Google IAD, John Foster Dulles, DC Airport. Just trying to help you rugratASS.

Regarding the inheritance tax, why do donko progressives want to tax wealth? Why not retroactively tax it? Start with the Mellons’, DuPonts’ Kennedys’ Rockefellers’ etc. See what uproar occurs with them rich white guys. Ohhh… they can’t have a monument at UW either!

Wow RugratASS: Such witty blog material. Most worthy of Dullest knife status! Keep up the good work! You make donnageddon seem smart, you give a clue to clueless and air to vacuum packed windie, morals to RevMan, and a mind to drivel and that takes work!

RugratASS: Is there a Mrs. RugratASS? If so we need to meet the woman on ASSes. If she is real, what else did/does she see in you besides looking into your eyes and viewing two red letter flashing capital Vacancy signs?

My wife says this site is too vulgar. I told her that’s the beauty of posting here. You never regret what you say to a librul!

So CluelessASS, did you vote for Sonntag because he was donk or because he was the best candidate? My guess for you is because he was donk! You couldn’t vote for a right side thinker if your life depended upon it!

Because most of them ARE Kevin Carnes. Interesting that you say being called “Kevin Carnes” is a “smear.” I would agree with you — I wouldn’t want to be called “Kevin Carnes” either — except it’s not a smear if it’s true.

Of course, Kevin Carnes can prevent mistakes and misunderstandings by coming clean about which screen names are his. How about it, Kev? Hey Kev, we know you read this blog — how about publishing a list of your screen names.

I notice Mr. Cynical, prr, chardonnay, and several others haven’t been around since Goldy “outed” Kevin.

I might be impressed if it was U-235 (apart from the fact that believing NK has plutonium is not the same thing as NK having plutonium) — but in the case of plutonium, having weapons-grade nuclear material is not the same thing as having a bomb. There’s the little matter of explosive lenses and triggers. Anybody can build a gun-type bomb, but that design only works with U-235. Plutonium requires a much more difficult-to-build implosion device.

“Much has been written about the North Korean nuclear danger, but one crucial issue has been ignored: just how much credible evidence is there to back up Washington’s uranium accusation? Although it is now widely recognized that the Bush administration misrepresented and distorted the intelligence data it used to justify the invasion of Iraq, most observers have accepted at face value the assessments the administration has used to reverse the previously established U.S. policy toward North Korea.

“But what if those assessments were exaggerated and blurred the important distinction between weapons-grade uranium enrichment (which would clearly violate the 1994 Agreed Framework) and lower levels of enrichment (which were technically forbidden by the 1994 accord but are permitted by the nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty [NPT] and do not produce uranium suitable for nuclear weapons)?

“A review of the available evidence suggests that this is just what happened. Relying on sketchy data, the Bush administration presented a worst-case scenario as an incontrovertible truth and distorted its intelligence on North Korea (much as it did on Iraq), seriously exaggerating the danger that Pyongyang is secretly making uranium-based nuclear weapons.”

Here’s an article taking the view that North Korea does have nuclear weapons — but points out the earliest North Korea could have processed enough plutonium to make a bomb was mid-2003:

“Rolling Blunder

“How the Bush administration let North Korea get nukes.

“By Fred Kaplan

“On Oct. 4, 2002, officials from the U.S. State Department flew to Pyongyang, the capital of North Korea, and confronted Kim Jong-il’s foreign ministry with evidence that Kim had acquired centrifuges for processing highly enriched uranium, which could be used for building nuclear weapons. To the Americans’ surprise, the North Koreans conceded. It was an unsettling revelation, coming just as the Bush administration was gearing up for a confrontation with Iraq. This new threat wasn’t imminent; processing uranium is a tedious task; Kim Jong-il was almost certainly years away from grinding enough of the stuff to make an atomic bomb.

“But the North Koreans had another route to nuclear weapons–a stash of radioactive fuel rods, taken a decade earlier from its nuclear power plant in Yongbyon. These rods could be processed into plutonium–and, from that, into A-bombs–not in years but in months. Thanks to an agreement brokered by the Clinton administration, the rods were locked in a storage facility under the monitoring of international weapons-inspectors. Common sense dictated that–whatever it did about the centrifuges–the Bush administration should do everything possible to keep the fuel rods locked up.

“Unfortunately, common sense was in short supply. After a few shrill diplomatic exchanges over the uranium, Pyongyang … expelled the international inspectors, broke the locks on the fuel rods, loaded them onto a truck, and drove them to a nearby reprocessing facility, to be converted into bomb-grade plutonium. The White House stood by and did nothing.

“Why did George W. Bush–his foreign policy avowedly devoted to stopping ‘rogue regimes’ from acquiring weapons of mass destruction–allow one of the world’s most dangerous regimes to acquire the makings of the deadliest WMDs? Given the current mayhem and bloodshed in Iraq, it’s hard to imagine a decision more ill-conceived than invading that country unilaterally without a plan for the ‘post-war’ era. But the Bush administration’s inept diplomacy toward North Korea might well have graver consequences. President Bush made the case for war in Iraq on the premise that Saddam Hussein might soon have nuclear weapons–which turned out not to be true. Kim Jong-il may have nuclear weapons now; he certainly has enough plutonium to build some, and the reactors to breed more.

“Yet Bush has neither threatened war nor pursued diplomacy. He has recently, and halfheartedly, agreed to hold talks; the next round is set for June. But any deal that the United States might cut now to dismantle North Korea’s nuclear-weapons program will be harder and costlier than a deal that Bush could have cut 18 months ago, when he first had the chance, before Kim Jong-il got his hands on bomb-grade material and the leverage that goes with it.

“The pattern of decision making that led to this debacle–as described to me in recent interviews with key former administration officials who participated in the events–will sound familiar to anyone who has watched Bush and his cabinet in action. It is a pattern of wishful thinking, blinding moral outrage, willful ignorance of foreign cultures, a naive faith in American triumphalism, a contempt for the messy compromises of diplomacy, and a knee-jerk refusal to do anything the way the Clinton administration did it. …”

Hey Stefan! I know you read this blog! Got a question for you, dude. Why are you gonna keep all the loot from your lawsuit against King County instead of sharing it with the generous donors to your “legal action fund” who paid for the lawsuit? Because you’re a greedy prick, or because you can’t hold a job and need the money?

Roger Dumb Rabbit.From Google 16,800,000 hits. All indications on the web suggest that NK was enriching Uranium during Hill Billy’s years. Assume 100 centrifuges a month before 1994 to 2001. They had the material during Madeline Half-Bright’s years as SoS. It happened under your watch and we discovered it under our watch. Good try dumb bunny!

GAY ADOPTION. State Senator Robert Hagan (D-Ohio) says he will introduce legislation to ban Republican couples from adopting children. According to Hagan, “credible research” shows that adopted children raised in GOP households are more at risk for developing “emotional problems, social stigmas, inflated egos, and alarming lack of tolerance for others they deem different than themselves and an air of overconfidence to mask their insecurities.” Hagan agrees there is no scientific evidence backing his claims about Republican parents — just, as Hagan notes, there is none backing State Representative Ron Hood’s (R) bill banning gay parents from adopting. Hood claims children purportedly suffer from emotional “harm” when they are adopted by gay couples. Hagen admits he created his proposal to mock Hood’s proposed ban on gay adoption in a way that people would see the “blatantly discriminatory and extremely divisive” nature of the bill. The GOP House leadership does not support Hood’s proposal.

LMAO @ THis: HE MAY be the most powerful man in the world, but proof has emerged that President George Bush cannot ride a bike, wave and speak at the same time.

Scotland on Sunday has obtained remarkable details of one of the most memorably bizarre episodes of the Bush presidency: the day he crashed into a Scottish police constable while cycling in the grounds of Gleneagles Hotel.

CluelessASS: I haven’t had time to check Able Danger lately. Traveling to new site. Partial network crash today. One switch all red. No one knows why. Have to order one in. I suggested sledge! I’ll get back to you.

I see nothing in that piece that says North Korea acquired nuclear weapons prior to Bush taking office. The bottom line is that using centrifuges to process uranium into weapons-grade U-235 in clandestine labs is a slow and tedious process that would have taken NK many years. When Kim Il Jong flipped Bush the bird and carted off the duel rods to a reactor for processing into plutonium, that dramatically shortened the time it would take for NK to get a bomb — from over 10 years to a few months. This happened on Bush’s watch. You’ve posted nothing to refute that. Was NK pursuing nuclear weapons during Clinton’s presidency? Sure, and maybe no U.S. president could have kept NK from eventually acquiring weapons. But NK’s policy changes in response to Bush’s policy greatly accelerated the timeline.

I personally don’t think nuclear proliferation can be stopped. Nuclear weapons provide governments with a level of security against foreign attack they can’t get any other way. And nuclear weapons are cheap — much, much, cheaper than maintaining a large standing army or a navy or an air force. In cost terms, nuclear weapons are within reach of even small third world countries. And I guarantee that a saber-rattling U.S. administration only encourages paranoid tinpot dictators to look at acquiring nuclear weapons as a kind of insurance policy. I think eventually nearly all countries will have them.

Roger Dumb Bunny: Wait a minute. If the Clintonistas did their job, the “fuel rods” would have never been created. You were the one who first floated the premise that NK had nukes under Bush’s watch in your post. Now you change your tune. It takes years to get to the place where the “Il” one “flips” Bush off. Those years were onder Half-Bright and Clinton’s watch. No excuse, no excuse!

Goldy–are you going to do a story about the Republicans’ election of a new Majority Leader in the House? The first vote the held resulted in more votes than people in the room. Is this a technique they learned from the King County Republicans? Or did both groups learn it in College Republicans?

“Copyright 2004, The Seattle Times Co. “By David Postman and Jim Brunner “Seattle Times staff reporters

T”he College Republican National Committee has raised $6.3 million this year through an aggressive and misleading fund-raising campaign that collected money from senior citizens who thought they were giving to the election efforts of President Bush and other top Republicans.

“Many of the top donors were in their 80s and 90s. The donors wrote checks — sometimes hundreds and, in at least one case, totaling more than $100,000 — to groups with official sounding-names such as ‘Republican Headquarters 2004’ …. But all of those groups … were … projects of the College Republicans, who collected all of the checks. And little of the money went to election efforts … 90 percent went to direct-mail vendors and postage expenses, according to records filed with the Internal Revenue Service.

“Some of the elderly donors, meanwhile, wound up bouncing checks and emptying their bank accounts.

“‘I don’t have any more money,’ said Cecilia Barbier, a 90-year-old retired church council worker in New York City. ‘I’m stopping giving to everybody. That was all my savings that they got.’

…

“In Van Buren, Ark., Monda Jo Millsap, 68, said she emptied her savings account by writing checks to College Republicans, then got a bank loan of $5,000 and sent that, too, before totaling her donations at more than $59,000.

” … since at least 2001, some leaders of College Republicans have objected to the tone and targeting of the fund raising done by Response Dynamics, the Virginia company that handles the direct-mail campaign. … ‘We felt their fund-raising practices were deceptive, to say the least,’ said George Gunning, former treasurer of the College Republicans. Gunning said he and two other board members fought to cut ties with Response Dynamics but were blocked by other leaders ….

“The board debated the fund-raising practices after the family of an elderly Indiana woman with Alzheimer’s disease demanded that her donations be returned. The woman’s family said it had sent a registered letter asking that she be taken off the mailing list, but the solicitations continued. Only after a newspaper reported on the story did the College Republicans refund $40,000 to the family, according to Jackie Boyle, one of the woman’s nieces.

“‘I think this is a nationwide scam,’ Boyle said on hearing of recent complaints. ‘They’re covering the whole country … they need to be investigated.'”

Like Mike McGavick? Who got $14.5 million a year for screwing his policyholders? Or did they just pay him all that money as a disguised campaign contribution, so he can be an insurance industry lackey in the U.S. Senate, and carry on his work of screwing consumers?

Hey MTR, our “problem” with most rich people is they don’t get their money honestly, they get it by plundering corporations, fucking over workers and consumers, licking the government tit, or just plain stealing it. Getting big money has nothing to do with “earning” anymore, it’s just looting now.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Stretched by frequent troop rotations to Iraq and Afghanistan, the Army has become a “thin green line” that could snap unless relief comes soon, according to a study for the Pentagon.

You people really do not live in the reality based community. You keep repeating the same thing over and over until you actually believe it is true. Amazing.

MTR, our young men and women have bent over backwards trying to cover up the stupidity of the FSIC and the litter Rummer boy. But they only have so much to give before Reality Bites,

You rely on CNN and the MSM to give the straight truth about the military? Haven’t you donks learn anything from the Newsweek scandal. Next thing we will see is these donks pointing to stories on 60 minutes as the truth. Geeeesh

Well, we don’t have much to worry about with Doofus & Co. trying to declare martial law ( not “marshall law” as they say at uSP ) with a worn out army and if they try to use the nouvou Pinkerton Army they’re trying to put together we may be forced to pull a Hutu on them.

ROger, C’mon… do you really believe that most rich people got that way through illegitmate means? Those people get a lot of press, but how about the rich guy next door? Do you think he’s a crook? It doesn’t even occur to you that hard work is rewarded.

Sheesh. I predict Bush will step down, resign the Presidency in disgrace. For the love of God and country, this criminal administration must be stopped. Activist republicans are lying traitors. Evangelical christian republicans are the chaff, Christ would winnow and throw away. It’s a damned disgrace that any member of the Bush political dynasty could hold public office.

MTR – What the fuck you talking about? The Iranians are years from having any sort of nuclear weapon. And if they had one, what exactly would they LOB it with? Why are R’s so scared of everything? They are scared of their own shadow, and want us to be scared with them… The only reason they want us scared is so they can take away our civil liberties and establish a kingdom…

re 22: So, all this Republican hubbub about repealing the inheritance tax is to benefit : “productive , hardworking people”? Nobody begrudges a hardworking person their just reward unless you’re a union-busting multimillionaire who never worked a day in his life and inherited every cent he has. This 1% of Americans has no right to sit on all that money that they did NOT earn.

MTR – What the fuck you talking about? The Iranians are years from having any sort of nuclear weapon. And if they had one, what exactly would they LOB it with? Why are Râ€™s so scared of everything? They are scared of their own shadow, and want us to be scared with themâ€¦ The only reason they want us scared is so they can take away our civil liberties and establish a kingdomâ€¦

JCH – Wow! What a zinger. You have nothing to contribute, so you stoop to personal attacks. Typical neo-Nazi. According to Fox news, they are still several years away from any sort of nuclear weapon. While I don’t usually believe Faux News, I know it is a source YOU trust…

Where in the Constitution or anywhere else , for that matter, does it say that American style Corporatism is the only type of economic system that is compatible with our constitutional republican democracy?

Fire one, We are afraid of those muslim pieces of shit because eventually they are going to procure some nuclear weapons and maybe detonate 10 or 20 of them in BLUE RETARDED Town near you. I just pray you are sterile. Too bad your mom didn’t have an abortion. What kind of earrings do you have?

Prescott Bush made big money knowingly and willingly off of Jewish slave labor in the holocaust. A part of the Bush family fortune is based on the broken lives and bodies of holocaust victims. This is a matter of public record.

The acorn doesn’t fall far from the tree, Jch. This president will not protect you from anything

43 You are right about the acorn not falling far from the tree but used a bad example. Everybody knows Joe Kennedy was a known Nazi sympathizer. We all know how well the swimmer protects the American people, just ask Mary Jo Kopechne.

43……..Bull Shit. It was Big Joe Kennedy who was the Nazi suck up. George Walker Bush was a Naval Officer during WWII, and the now President Bush flew F-106s [Delta Daggers, 350 hrs]. REV, your military service?? [I thought so. Why don’t you join your “bros” and go burn down your neighborhood, smoke some crack, and knock up some 12 year olds.]

Little Mark – Don’t be scared. The big bad boogie man is not going to blow you up. If Muslims were going to blow us up, why, the Afghanis have had nukes for some years now. And if you are scared of these guys, why don’t you secure our borders? Why don’t you inspect incoming container ships? Why is it all you do is take away toe clippers from airline passengers? Moron.

JCH – My god, you really are a scaredy-cat. Don’t worry, we will protect you with the blood of our children. And if the Chimpanzee in Chief has his way, we will be attacking Iran shortly. We really really really need to impeach that stupid cocksucker.

Rich people contributed $4 billion to the GOP between 2000 and 2004, and got $400 billion in tax breaks — a 100-fold return on their investment. From a purely accounting point of view, it’s the best money they’ve ever spent.

“You rely on CNN and the MSM to give the straight truth about the military? Haven’t you donks learn anything from the Newsweek scandal. Next thing we will see is these donks pointing to stories on 60 minutes as the truth. Geeeesh”

Question for you, Doofus. Bush has been caught lying so many times, why do you believe anything he says? Just curious.

“ROger, C’mon… do you really believe that most rich people got that way through illegitmate means?”

Let’s see … wasn’t so long ago rightys like you were bitching about how Kerry got his money (married it) or how Teresa Kerry got her money (married it) … so which is it, guy? Do you admire the Kerrys for being rich, or not?

No I mean Joe Kennedy. You know the same guy who stole millions from stockholders through insider trading. The same guy who ran moonshine back in the 30’s. The same guy who told Chamberlin to work with Hitler. That Nazi loving Joe Kennedy.

When you read the newspaper, try understanding it. You no doubt are referring to the union resisting releasing the names of teachers accused but not convicted. There is still a presumption on innocence in this country. And again, in my real world involvement in the schools when a teacher did have credible evidence of improper conduct with students, the union stepped aside and let hustice take its course.

Using that BIG LIE again. Repeating a discredited story from the repub talking points.

Well that is one story. How about the teacher at a public school in North Seattle who just got busted after repeated warning signs. How about the teacher in Bellevue who even more recently got busted. How about the Janitor in a central seattle public school. I can go on and on. As far as the teacher union is concerned I am glad to see our kids are in such capable hands. Geesh give me a freaken break.

Neither Rufus nor JCH even tried to refute my true assertion that part of the Bush family fortune rests on the profits that Prescott Bush DIRECTLY EARNED from slave labor in Nazi Germany. This kind of inhuman war profiteering is a BUSH FAMILY TRADITION.

The Bush family is being sued for reparations as we speak by survivors of this Bush family holocaust slave labor profits.

K you are a typical donk. The catholic church get caught playing musical chairs with its priests and the left wants to hang them from the highest gallows but if it is a teacher well we have a presumption of innocence we have to abide by. Typical donk bullshit.

Accused sex predators should be given a fair trial. Those convicted should serve the sentences established under the law. It is entirely reasonable for a union to insist it’s members get a fair trail and, if acquitted, are allowed to move on. “Repeated warning signs” is more likely an administration issue then a union issue.

Again, you hate American values. Public education is another foundational value. If you want to make another choice, it is available. If you do not like what’s happening in your schools, become involved. You like to bitch. Have you ever volunteered? Do you know who the principals are in your local schools? Have you ever actually tried to get involved to change something you do not like? Served on a committee? Given your time?

Again, you hate American values. Public education is another foundational value. If you want to make another choice, it is available. If you do not like what’s happening in your schools,become involved. You like to bitch. Have you ever volunteered? Do you know who the principals are in your local schools? Have you ever actually tried to get involved to change something you do not like? Served on a committee? Given your time?

How about if you dont like the school your child is in you can change schools. How about having more schools to choose from. How about the schools run by people not government. How about changing the system. Why are you lefties against freedom of choice in where to send your child? Why should poor people get taxed for failing schools and have no other choice on where to send their child?

Government schools are run by citizen school boards. Ever been to a board meeting? Ever tried to run for office?

Easier to BIG LIE.

Comment by K— 2/4/06 @ 9:41 pm

Government schools are run by buecrats who suck up most of who suck up most of the money before it even gets to the teacher. Seattle public schools spend almost 10k per child which doesnt even cover building maintenance and improvements. The private schools do a far better job educating children at a far less cost and they also supply the building. Nuff said

Last time I checked, the teachers were doing significantly better than I ever did as a government lawyer, dollar-wise.

That’s because our Legislature rewards teachers for striking and punishes state employees for not striking by taking money away from non-striking state employees and giving it to striking teachers in order to pacify the teachers.

Despite that, I would rather have my little bunnies educated by a public school than not educated. Not everyone can afford private schools, you know. Most Democrat families can’t — something that Mike McGavick, who makes $15 million a year, probably wouldn’t comprehend.

Terrorist Seeks To Get Off the Hook Due To NSA Surveillance by Jay on 02-04-06 @ 5:53 pm

Why does the ACLU seek FOIA file on the NSA Surveillance program? Perhaps this can shed a little light on the subject.

Back in December, Iyman Faris, the only named American target of the National Security Agency’s secret warrantless wiretap program announced his consideration of a lawsuit against the president of the United States. To accomplish this goal, his lawyer David Smith issued an all points bulletin for civil liberties attorneys and constitutional scholars interested in taking up his client’s case. The offer comes at a time of concern among civil liberties attorneys, who worry that the courts may never get a chance to adjudicate the legality of President Bush’s secret wiretap program. “Courts don’t like to hear hypothetical matters,” said Barry Steinhardt, director of the ACLU’s Technology and Liberty program, who has been preparing for a court battle. “There has to be a real plaintiff with a real injury. Despite Faris’ admitted guilt, civil libertarians were chomping at the bit to get him off the hook. In many ways, Faris is not an ideal plaintiff for attorneys who hope to focus their case on whether the president abused his authority by spying on innocent Americans. Faris’ guilt is widely acknowledged, despite his recent claims of innocence. Among the evidence against him, prosecutors alleged that he sent a message to al-Qaida leadership in 2003 claiming that “the weather is too hot,” a signal that he could not follow through with his Brooklyn Bridge plan. But if civil libertarians wait for the perfect case, they may have to forgo a legal challenge altogether. The targets of the secret NSA program are classified, and barring additional leaks, it is unclear how innocent American citizens would discover that they have been monitored. “The reality is that the people in Fourth Amendment cases are rarely the people you would invite over to dinner,” said Chris Hoofnagle, senior counsel to the Electronic Privacy Information Center. The ACLU’s Steinhardt said he welcomed a phone call from Smith. “A likely route to this challenge is in the context of a criminal case,” he said. So it is no suprise that yesterday, Faris’ lawyer asked a Federal judge to throw out his case due to the fact that he was spied on. Iyman Faris’ challenge is among the first to seek evidence of warrantless electronic eavesdropping by the National Security Agency, a practice that began after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. Government officials have reportedly credited the practice with uncovering Faris’ terrorist plot and several others. A motion filed by Faris’ attorney David Smith in U.S. District Court in Alexandria, Va., argues that investigators improperly obtained evidence against Faris and that his trial lawyer was ineffective. Given the likelihood that Faris’ phone conversations or e-mails had been electronically monitored, Faris’ trial lawyer, Frederick Sinclair, should have asked for evidence of such surveillance, Smith said in the motion. Nevermind the fact that Faris pleaded guilty to conspiracy and aiding and abetting terrorism, he is now backtracking on that. He now says his guilty plea was false. And there are others trying to get their terror convictions overturned. A lawyer for Ali al-Timimi, an Islamic scholar in northern Virginia serving a life sentence for exhorting followers to fight U.S. troops, has said he plans to challenge his case based on NSA involvement. So has an attorney for Adham Amin Hassoun, a Lebanese-born Palestinian living in Florida who is charged with being part of a cell dedicated to supporting violent Muslim extremists.http://stoptheaclu.com/archive.....veillance/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....01453.html “A major U.S. intelligence review has projected that Iran is about a decade away from manufacturing the key ingredient for a nuclear weapon, roughly doubling the previous estimate of five years, according to government sources with firsthand knowledge of the new analysis…The carefully hedged assessments, which represent consensus among U.S. intelligence agencies, contrast with forceful public statements by the White House.“

Daddy Love, It looks like the Iraq Air Force No. 2 said that Sadaam moved WMD to Syria by air and ground 30 days prior to the war while France and Russia bought delay time at the UN. BUSH LIED!!! BUSH LIED!! BUSH LIED!! Oh, he didn’t? ………… Never mind!! [SNL’s Roasanna Rosanndana]

Just like a Wingnut, JCH is now calling Sadam’s #2 an honest type of guy. Funny, seems their heroes are all the same. Sadam’s ex-enforcers, Koresh types, basically anyone that has fallen to the lowest level of the human scope. Hey JCH, you fit right in their with them!

Drivel, the Democrat Party is more of a threat to America than any terrorists. You are the parasites and losers who demand others pay your way. Atlas has Shrugged. Die in the cold winter, Grasshopper. The ants just don’t give a shit anymore.

Dear Muslims and Democrats, May I post a cartoon of Muhammad taking it from a pig “Democrat Tookie” style? Will you libs be “offended”? Will the Muslims burn down Honolulu? Will the Democrat muslims in Detroit robbed liquor stores, loot gas stations, and close down 8 Mile?

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