MUTU wrote:However I read that Hummels has a release clause of around 38 million euros that's active up to 31st March. Of course, Mats would still need to want to leave, but not many players say no to Barcelona.

Tbh it would be a bit stupid not to sell him for 38 million euros, release clause or not.

FCBayernMunchen wrote:Tbh it would be a bit stupid not to sell him for 38 million euros, release clause or not.

It would be stupid unless you have a good financial situation and you want to be a top team We didn't want to sell Ribery to Real Madrid even though they offered much more money than his real market value and I'm proud of that

I wouldn't sell Hummels for several reasons reasons

- He is a key player and probably the true leader of the team- Selling Hummels means that other teams will try to get more Dortmund players- Dortmund players and supporters wouldn't like it- Nobody guarantees that you will get good players with those 38M. - You will have to pay an extra amount of money for any player because other teams will know you received 38M

This surprised me a lot. Dortmund brags about having the biggest stadia in Germany; around 90,000 confused-people strong, right?

And yet last year match-day income brought in only about a third of what Bayern Munich did: 31.4 vs 85.4 million. What gives? Is this mainly a result of a poor CL run? 9 CL matches worth of revenue vs 14 (??) Is there that much of a difference even discounting the 20,000 seat difference between the two stadiums?

tflags wrote:This surprised me a lot. Dortmund brags about having the biggest stadia in Germany; around 90,000 confused-people strong, right?

And yet last year match-day income brought in only about a third of what Bayern Munich did: 31.4 vs 85.4 million. What gives? Is this mainly a result of a poor CL run? 9 CL matches worth of revenue vs 14 (??) Is there that much of a difference even discounting the 20,000 seat difference between the two stadiums?

I dont think that is match day income. It must include the whopping sum we received for being CL finalists

tflags wrote:This surprised me a lot. Dortmund brags about having the biggest stadia in Germany; around 90,000 confused-people strong, right?

And yet last year match-day income brought in only about a third of what Bayern Munich did: 31.4 vs 85.4 million. What gives? Is this mainly a result of a poor CL run? 9 CL matches worth of revenue vs 14 (??) Is there that much of a difference even discounting the 20,000 seat difference between the two stadiums?

It's all related to VIP suites, that's where most clubs make their money with stadiums nowadays. Bayern has 106 suites in the Allianz Arena, Westfalenstadion has only 11 as it is an older stadium. Add to that the fact that while attendance is a bit higher in Dortmund, most of those extra numbers are due to very cheap standing tickets in the Sudtribune, aka Yellow Wall.

When converted to all-seaters, the Allianz actually sits about 2000 more fans.

I don't know what their plans are given that it was their stadium which contributed massively to their financial downfall in the early 2000s, but BVB need to upgrade their stadium a bit. I am afraid that if they don't capitalize on this moment that they are living through they might eventually become something like Roma, Tottenham, Atletico Madrid or gasp.... Schalke 04. That is a good team, capable of a great season once in a while, but clearly a level below the true super powers of European football.

tflags wrote:This surprised me a lot. Dortmund brags about having the biggest stadia in Germany; around 90,000 confused-people strong, right?

And yet last year match-day income brought in only about a third of what Bayern Munich did: 31.4 vs 85.4 million. What gives? Is this mainly a result of a poor CL run? 9 CL matches worth of revenue vs 14 (??) Is there that much of a difference even discounting the 20,000 seat difference between the two stadiums?

It's all related to VIP suites, that's where most clubs make their money with stadiums nowadays. Bayern has 106 suites in the Allianz Arena, Westfalenstadion has only 11 as it is an older stadium. Add to that the fact that while attendance is a bit higher in Dortmund, most of those extra numbers are due to very cheap standing tickets in the Sudtribune, aka Yellow Wall.

When converted to all-seaters, the Allianz actually sits about 2000 more fans.

I don't know what their plans are given that it was their stadium which contributed massively to their financial downfall in the early 2000s, but BVB need to upgrade their stadium a bit. I am afraid that if they don't capitalize on this moment that they are living through they might eventually become something like Roma, Tottenham, Atletico Madrid or gasp.... Schalke 04. That is a good team, capable of a great season once in a while, but clearly a level below the true super powers of European football.

The Allianz has a massive corporate section even just in the normal seats not the boxes.

Pretty much the whole west side of the stadium (the side you can't see on the TV) is corporate. Just check my picture just before the Dortmund game.

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