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I don't see how the reveal of Floette-E makes this any more likely. And IMO, it would be a bit too awkward if AZ's Floette acted like a queen. She might play a role in the storyline, though.

So, having a pokemon literally "talk" in a Main Series Pokemon game like in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon just doesn't fit for your taste? That's how I can respectfully see it. They somehow did it in last generation's plot.

In my observations, this generation and last gen took ideas most from the popular plotline of Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Explorers Saga in terms of depth. Not just grittiness and dark themes. But I'm curious to know something that you may know. Just about how many players, both old and new, wanted Pokemon to be very detailed in terms of plot?

Is the western market a big fan of grim plots and character detail? Cause from what I've been seeing as of currently in my observation in the different elements of the franchise, they wanted Pokemon to be bold with their themes. Not something for the young always. More for themes adults can relate, and less themes that children could understand.

How about characters representing themes and tropes of Survivor's Guilt, Anti-Patriotism, Vengence, and the like?

So I've just been playing the Looker quests as my 3DS won't connect to the wifi for some reason. Who at Gamefreak decided to put this here? It's an abomination! I hate it being at the end of the game.

But before you tell me to calm down, let me explain. It is not the looker quests being bad that I am... vexed (to be polite) about. I think they're some of the best written parts of pokemon that I have seen. Sure the story of "Team x is trying to take over the world by using the power of pokemon A and you must harness pokemon B's left shin to stop them before going on to demolish the elite 4" was interesting. But it's been some time since I first played Ruby... doing it again in sapphire, Emerald, Diamond, Black and now X has started to grate a bit. I'm tired of the standard copy pasted tale told in the pokemon games. Red didn't spoon feed me a legendary and then send me off to E4 with my massive "anti E4" pokemon. Soul Silver, although it did rather spoon feed me Lugia, Didn't insist I get it to foil team Rocket's plans. Truth be told I just had to look up the story of silver to work out why I was sent to the depths of whirl island. It certainly didn't have anything to do with the plot. The kimono girls just decided "HEY, Have a Legendary" like some japanese Skinflint Parsimonious (google Bleak Expectations) and the player gets it. The real issue I have with Looker and his run about all over lumiose is that it shows what Pokemon is missing. Story telling, quests, things to fill the time. It could be much improved with a little more distance between each town/city and characters that issue their own little quests. Wouldn't it feel like a more complete game to have actual tasks that allowed you to train along the way and dungeons and caves that served as more than a route from A to B? Looker has been a little taste of what Gamefreak can do and my appetite has certainly been whetted.

So, having a pokemon literally "talk" in a Main Series Pokemon game like in Pokemon Mystery Dungeon just doesn't fit for your taste? That's how I can respectfully see it. They somehow did it in last generation's plot.

No, I think that it's awkward to see Pokemon acting like humans in the main games. Especially when it puts said Pokemon in a romantic relationship with a human.

Originally Posted by jireh the provider

In my observations, this generation and last gen took ideas most from the popular plotline of Pokemon Mystery Dungeon Explorers Saga in terms of depth. Not just grittiness and dark themes. But I'm curious to know something that you may know. Just about how many players, both old and new, wanted Pokemon to be very detailed in terms of plot?

Is the western market a big fan of grim plots and character detail? Cause from what I've been seeing as of currently in my observation in the different elements of the franchise, they wanted Pokemon to be bold with their themes. Not something for the young always. More for themes adults can relate, and less themes that children could understand.

How about characters representing themes and tropes of Survivor's Guilt, Anti-Patriotism, Vengence, and the like?

Yeah, western gamers generally like dark and gritty plots.

Also, AZ's character arc isn't too far off from Survivor's Guilt.

Originally Posted by LizardonX

Tabitha has really let himself go, just how many lava cookies did he eat in the last 11 years?

I don't see how the reveal of Floette-E makes this any more likely. And IMO, it would be a bit too awkward if AZ's Floette acted like a queen. She might play a role in the storyline, though.

I think she probably will play a part in the next stories. It seems like the 3rd is setting up for something big to happen. I wonder who else would come back/was immortal and is now going to be revealed. Maybe AZ's brother is also still alive and Lysandre is still okay. I think Zygarde will have a Mega Evolution, because his heart could react with Lysandre's/AZ's.

I think she probably will play a part in the next stories. It seems like the 3rd is setting up for something big to happen. I wonder who else would come back/was immortal and is now going to be revealed. Maybe AZ's brother is also still alive and Lysandre is still okay. I think Zygarde will have a Mega Evolution, because his heart could react with Lysandre's/AZ's.

If Lysandre used Xerneas/Yveltal to power AZ's machine, what did AZ use? Just the living Pokémon, or maybe he used Zygarde? If the latter is correct, I doubt AZ would be too friendly with Zygarde.

I still think that there wasn't much to the game. I stopped playing it and went back to playing Legend of Zelda A Link Between Worlds. I'm not saying X and Y were bad, they weren't. There was just no depth. I just hope that the third game will have TONS to do. And, is it just me, or are there practically NO legendaries? I mean, there's Yveltal, Xerneas, Zygarde, and Diancie. That's not a lot. Kinda boring if you ask me. I mean, all the other gens had tons of legendaries. Only one I can think of that didn't have many legendaries is gen 1. Mew, Mewtwo, Zapdos, Moltres, and Articuno. Though that's still more than gen 6. In gen 2 there was Suicune, Raikou, Entei, Lugia, Ho-oh, and Celebi, gen 3 had Regirock, Regice, Registeel, Latios, Latias, Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza, Jirachi, and Deoxys(damn that's a lot), gen 4 was Mesprit, Uxie, Azelf, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Regigigas, Cresselia, Darkrai, Heatran, Shaymin, Phione, Manaphy, and Arceus, and gen 5 had Cobalion, Terrakion, Virizion, Tornadus, Thundurus, Landorus, Meloetta, Keldeo, Genesect, Reshiram, Zekrom, and Kyurem. Gen 6 seems dull in comparison. Also, that can't leave much room for movies. Since there aren't many legendaries, there isn't much to go by with the movies. But, that's just my opinion.

I still think that there wasn't much to the game. I stopped playing it and went back to playing Legend of Zelda A Link Between Worlds. I'm not saying X and Y were bad, they weren't. There was just no depth. I just hope that the third game will have TONS to do.

Third games generally tend to have more to do than the first two, so it probably will. But then again, this game had less than most beginning of generation games normally do (DP, BW1, and maybe RS have more replay value than this).

Originally Posted by Ayrafeneres

And, is it just me, or are there practically NO legendaries? I mean, there's Yveltal, Xerneas, Zygarde, and Diancie. That's not a lot. Kinda boring if you ask me. I mean, all the other gens had tons of legendaries. Only one I can think of that didn't have many legendaries is gen 1. Mew, Mewtwo, Zapdos, Moltres, and Articuno. Though that's still more than gen 6. In gen 2 there was Suicune, Raikou, Entei, Lugia, Ho-oh, and Celebi, gen 3 had Regirock, Regice, Registeel, Latios, Latias, Groudon, Kyogre, Rayquaza, Jirachi, and Deoxys(damn that's a lot), gen 4 was Mesprit, Uxie, Azelf, Dialga, Palkia, Giratina, Regigigas, Cresselia, Darkrai, Heatran, Shaymin, Phione, Manaphy, and Arceus, and gen 5 had Cobalion, Terrakion, Virizion, Tornadus, Thundurus, Landorus, Meloetta, Keldeo, Genesect, Reshiram, Zekrom, and Kyurem. Gen 6 seems dull in comparison. Also, that can't leave much room for movies. Since there aren't many legendaries, there isn't much to go by with the movies. But, that's just my opinion.

6th gen actually has two more event Pokemon which have not been officially revealed (Hoopa and Volcanion), which puts it just above 1st gen and on par with 2nd gen in terms of number of total legendaries. In terms of main game legendaries though, it doesn't have that much. But I wouldn't have wanted them to cram the game with a zillion legendaries anyway, that makes them less special. Having an extra trio of legendaries would've been nice.

Originally Posted by LizardonX

Tabitha has really let himself go, just how many lava cookies did he eat in the last 11 years?

RS were great, but there's no way they had more replay value than XY. The only thing they had was the Battle Tower, XY at least has the Looker Missions and the mega stone hunt (and also breeding, multiplayer and what not is way easier and more fun to do post-game than it was in RS).

If Lysandre used Xerneas/Yveltal to power AZ's machine, what did AZ use? Just the living Pokémon, or maybe he used Zygarde? If the latter is correct, I doubt AZ would be too friendly with Zygarde.

AZ used Xerneas/Yveltal. The Mega Stones were created when regular stones were infused with the energies of Xerneas/Yveltal via the blast from the ultimate weapon 3,000 years prior, so one of those two had to be in the machine.

Originally Posted by Ayrafeneres

And, is it just me, or are there practically NO legendaries? I mean, there's Yveltal, Xerneas, Zygarde, and Diancie. That's not a lot. Kinda boring if you ask me. I mean, all the other gens had tons of legendaries. Only one I can think of that didn't have many legendaries is gen 1. Mew, Mewtwo, Zapdos, Moltres, and Articuno.

First of all, I suspect that the small number of Legendary Pokémon is a response to the enormous amount of people who kept saying that they added too many in Gens IV and V, as well as a way to recapture the spirit of Gen I as these games tried to do.

Second, Gen VI introduced six Legendary Pokémon. Hoopa and Volcanion are our other two event-only Pokémon, and that puts it on par with Gen II as far as the number of new Legendary Pokémon goes. The only difference is that the ratio of in-game vs. event-only Pokémon is 50/50 instead of 80/20.

Third, these games also included Mewtwo and the Winged Mirages. In total, that gives Kalos ten region-relevant Legendary Pokémon, with four per game cart being catchable in-game without an event (one of the Winged Mirages, Mewtwo, and two of the Mortality Trio. That's just as many as RBY (the Winged Mirages and Mewtwo), one fewer than GSC and FRLG (the Legendary Beasts and the Tower Duo in GSC; the Winged Mirages, Mewtwo, and one of the Legendary Beasts in FRLG), two fewer than RS (the Legendary Golems, one of the Eon Duo, and two of the Weather Trio), three fewer than Emerald and BW (the Legendary Golems, one of the Eon Duo, and the Weather Trio in Emerald; the Swords of Justice, two of the Kami Trio, and two of the Tao Trio in BW), four fewer than DP (the Lake Trio, two of the Spacetime Trio, Heatran, Regigigas, and Cresselia), eight fewer than Platinum and HGSS (the Winged Mirages, the Lake Trio, the Spacetime Trio, Heatran, Regigigas, and Cresselia in Platinum; the Winged Mirages, Mewtwo, the Legendary Beasts, the Tower Duo, one of the Eon Duo, and two of the Weather Trio in HGSS) and eleven fewer than B2W2 (the Legendary Golems, one of the Eon Duo, the Lake Trio, Heatran, Regigigas, Cresselia, the Swords of Justice, and two of the Tao Trio).

All in all, as far as in-game Legendary Pokémon go, XY aren't lacking any more significantly than most of the installments thus far. Granted that they are tied for the least amount, but DP, Platinum, HGSS, and B2W2 are the only ones that outnumber it by more than three.

Originally Posted by Lord Zoroark

Listen, you gotta remember these things; always avoid claims of Fennekin being (or becoming) part Fighting-type, don't tick off mods, and NEVER (and I mean NEVER!) suggest that Arceus is the God of Pokemon when Endolise is online. If you somehow make this mistake, run for the hills before he attempts to murder you via tongue lashing.

I think what she means is there was no sub-legendary trio, which was what I still can't understand. Each gen has had one, gen 1 with the bird trio. Gen 2 with the beast trio. Gen 3 with the regi. Gen 4 with the lake trio. and gen 5 with the justice trio (but had the genie trio which is kinda confusing). I don't know if they didn't add these for this gen because gen 5 kinda had two?

I think what she means is there was no sub-legendary trio, which was what I still can't understand. Each gen has had one, gen 1 with the bird trio. Gen 2 with the beast trio. Gen 3 with the regi. Gen 4 with the lake trio. and gen 5 with the justice trio (but had the genie trio which is kinda confusing). I don't know if they didn't add these for this gen because gen 5 kinda had two?

The Swords of Justice is technically a quartet, considering Keldeo as part of the group. So Gen 5 only have the Forces of Nature trio.

As for Gen 6 having no sub trio, I'm actually fine with that. The main legends doesn't really have much story into them, and having another three that will be put for the heck of expanding the Dex and post-game content is not really worth it... I think.

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A sequel/third version exclusive trio would be exciting. Secretly, I'm still hoping for a Fossil trio as a post-game with a neo-Flare in the next games.

I thought XY had a good general plot, but it was ruined by a lack of detail in terms of interesting characters, whereas boring characters, in my opinion, were over developed. And the post-game was so poor, after BW and having another half of a region to explore, and HGSS where we got to another one altogether, I think we were really let down. Here's to hoping GF and Pokemon do a good job in improving the region and it's plots in the next game..

It's rivals like X and Y had that make me wish they would go back to your rival being a jerk to you.
The only kind of rival that's fun to beat the ants off.

Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I prefer the more story-oriented "friend" rivals. Blue, to me, was just insufferable and frustrating. I don't think I ever enjoyed an encounter with him, even after winning.

Originally Posted by Lord Zoroark

Listen, you gotta remember these things; always avoid claims of Fennekin being (or becoming) part Fighting-type, don't tick off mods, and NEVER (and I mean NEVER!) suggest that Arceus is the God of Pokemon when Endolise is online. If you somehow make this mistake, run for the hills before he attempts to murder you via tongue lashing.

Speaking about rivals,(Sarena,Calem?) the one that you didn't choose at the begining. When they are teaching you to catch pokemon at the begining it is mentioned that he/shes parents are famous pokemon trainers. I believe after that they (The parents) are not mentioned again. Besides that one mentioned, is anything else known about who the parents are or anything?

Speaking about rivals,(Sarena,Calem?) the one that you didn't choose at the begining. When they are teaching you to catch pokemon at the begining it is mentioned that he/shes parents are famous pokemon trainers. I believe after that they (The parents) are not mentioned again. Besides that one mentioned, is anything else known about who the parents are or anything?

Well, you can talk to her mother at her house in Vaniville Town, but other than that, no. And I don't think it said that they were "famous" Trainers, but rather, just very skilled Trainers. I may be wrong about that, though. As far as I know, only your mother was described as "famous" since she is a world-renowned Rhyhorn racer.

Originally Posted by Lord Zoroark

Listen, you gotta remember these things; always avoid claims of Fennekin being (or becoming) part Fighting-type, don't tick off mods, and NEVER (and I mean NEVER!) suggest that Arceus is the God of Pokemon when Endolise is online. If you somehow make this mistake, run for the hills before he attempts to murder you via tongue lashing.

Well, you can talk to her mother at her house in Vaniville Town, but other than that, no. And I don't think it said that they were "famous" Trainers, but rather, just very skilled Trainers. I may be wrong about that, though. As far as I know, only your mother was described as "famous" since she is a world-renowned Rhyhorn racer.

Actually, someone with a Male Veteran Sprite in Snowbelle says that his son (if you are Serena) or his daughter (if you are Calem) left on their journey around the same time as you.
And, that would be presumed to be Serena/Calem's father, I'd say.

So at least that gives some more info regarding their family, and hints that at least their father was a Trainer, although going off of Sprites alone isn't really reliable.

it seems that every generation since gold silver and Crystal everyone complains about their rivals. maybe they should go back to your rivals hating you. I missed rivals who hated you like silver(I think that's his name) and gary.

it seems that every generation since gold silver and Crystal everyone complains about their rivals. maybe they should go back to your rivals hating you. I missed rivals who hated you like silver(I think that's his name) and gary.

Technically Silver has no canon name, and the latetr is Blue.

I wouldn't mind another Rival similar to the former (but Blue can go not exist), but only if Female, or if minor, we don't have enough Rivals of either kind.