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people always think putting said player with the sedins will translate that player scoring a ton of goals...most of the time this isnt the case! You take a lazy worn down fuck like Kovalchuk who isnt a guy and retrieves pucks in the corner with guys like the twins, it just wont work. The only two guys who ever produced with the twins were not any big name guys ie Burrows and Carter...Vrbata wasnt really a fit with them since he played with the twins a mixed bunch of times...

You forgot Manny Malhotra. A real faceoff specialist and the go-to defensive forward brought in by Gillis with 61.7% FO% in the 10-11 season. I was so sad that he got his eye injury that season. He would have helped a lot in the 11 Finals. I think the Bruins were the better FO team in the Finals with their FO specialist Bergeron. (Malhotra played 6 games in the playoffs that season but I forgot which games. Although he was not 100%)

I was specifically just referring to the 1st season Gillis was in charge, but you're right, Malhotra is another example of a good faceoff guy that Gillis targeted.

Malhotra was the leading candidate for the Selke before his eye injury. Kesler ended up winning it despite not drawing the oppositions' top lines on a nightly basis.

people always think putting said player with the sedins will translate that player scoring a ton of goals...most of the time this isnt the case! You take a lazy worn down fuck like Kovalchuk who isnt a guy and retrieves pucks in the corner with guys like the twins, it just wont work. The only two guys who ever produced with the twins were not any big name guys ie Burrows and Carter...Vrbata wasnt really a fit with them since he played with the twins a mixed bunch of times...

Good point Nabatron.

The big issue with the team's rebuild right now is the lack of goal scoring and depth. 0 for 25 on the powerplay right now. Weaksauce offence.

How is Dim Jim gonna rebuild this team's offence, especially on the wing, now that the Sedins are past their prime?

Free agency? A buddy of mine keeps thinking Dim Jim is gonna throw tonnes of money at Stamkos in order to get Stamkos to sign with our team.

We don't have any legit wingers who can play with Stamkos. Buddy thinks that Stamkos would consider Vancouver because Toronto is a possible destination for him. I told my buddy that he would consider playing for Toronto only because it's his hometown.

The lack of scoring from the team, especially from the wingers, is a big issue right now.

Heck, I've seen kids play in bantam league score more goals in one game than this team.

the only reason for stamkos has a shot at going to TO is he is from there and that is it...there rebuild is pretty much like ours right not..If we somehow get Mathews in the draft and stamkos sees Van as a possible spot just to play with Mathews then I could see him come here. Other then that there would be no reason for stamkos to come here other then money...

Top 5 guys Dim jim could possibly look at in free agency would be erickson, ladd, lucic, yandle, boedker

other bottom free agents could be nielsen, brouwer, mcginn, perron...

but its tuff to say because noone exactly knows what direction they are going in lol

He can but one of the conditions is that all 30 teams have to approve of his return

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Originally Posted by Nabatron

thought he has to sit out a year to be eligible to come back?

Both are correct.
He would have to "retire" from the K and sit out a whole year before being allowed to rejoin NJD.

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Anyway, it's a moot point because he's not playing for the Canucks under the current rebuild.

For 15/16 he was also near a point a game but then he was benched for the first round of the playoffs and only played 4 games total with 0 points.
But I think Nabatron said it best.

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the only reason for stamkos has a shot at going to TO is he is from there and that is it...there rebuild is pretty much like ours right not..If we somehow get Mathews in the draft and stamkos sees Van as a possible spot just to play with Mathews then I could see him come here. Other then that there would be no reason for stamkos to come here other then money..

The two rebuilds are nothing alike.

As was said of the Leafs rebuild elsewhere:

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Scouting
----- Shanahan had the last ten years of scouting records audited by an independent source (utalised by several teams in the league) When the results came in, Shanahan fired everyone except for three people (mostly our European scouts where the leafs drafted pretty well)., and they are now running a much more leaner operation

This is not limited to am. scouting but pro scouting as well - which was another factor where the leafs were really woefully bad for years.

B: Analyitcs.
----- Shanahan from the get go said he wasn't for it or against it, but it was something that he obviously needed to learn - and then he hired the people who ran extra-skater (thus removing an asset that EVERYONE in the league used), brokered a partnership with a technology company to further measure how the Leafs-Marlies-SolarBears do things so everyone is running on the same clip, hired Dubas [someone that pretty much at the forefront of Hockey Analytics), got Lou Lamoriello (one of the FIRST people to use advanced analytics in new Jersey) - which is paying dividends for the marlies (best AHL team - run on mostly Leafs drafted players who are ear marked to be part of the team).

This is being evidenced as well by the players we take a chance on (ie: Marincin who has been quite the whipping boy, but really is playing a lot better. more (or less) will be seen as we get more players and more "risk" moves

C: Reducing the White Noise around the team/creating a safe environment
---- the Cone of Silence is in affect in Toronto, and it is really benefical to the players (Leafs + Marlies). there are only THREE Spokespeople from the team. Period. Shanahan-Lamoriello-Babcock. That's it. (if it's in regards to the Marlies, it's Shanahan-Dubas-Keefe). There's no contradictory statements of who we are, what we are, where we're going. There is One Unified Voice, One Clear Message, and all actions match with what is being said.

and generally speaking that is reflected in the media.

D: Swift removal of what wasn't working and astute asset management.
---- In less than one calendar year, Shanagement removed
1: David Clarkson (no retention what so ever)
2: Kessel (retained 1.2 million)
3: Dion Phaneuf (no retention what so ever.

when there had been many, many people claiming that it would take at least 3-5 years to have them all gone. [the only stragglers are Lupul (walking wounded), and Bozak. (who will more than likely be removed by TDL next season if healthy.

and drafting nine times last year, and if no trades go through - 12 times next year, nine in 2017 and 2018. (including a whopping 7 picks (in 3 years) in the 2nd round.)

E: Identifying some of the best in the field, and getting them.

---- Lamoriello. Babcock, Keefe, DJ Smith, Hunter, Mccrimmon (deferred for this year). some of the brightest minds of hockey - or up and coming, and Shanahan making them all work together when a lot of people were very much certain it would be a gong show

F: Showing players why it would be great to play in Toronto.
---- while we may not be able to sign them all - many players have stated that how the leafs have things set up is a lot different from what they imagined - everyone has a chance to compete for a job, an open door coaching/management policy, and all the luxuries that come with playing in one of the biggest markets in the NHL. (which help with KHL(European)/College/CHL Free Agents.

and whilst there is still a lot of work to be done, and there will be bumps along the way, the Leafs are laying down the ground work for sustainable success.

do you care to tell me why the rebuild in Toronto isn't good?

and quite frankly - this isn't thumping my chest and going the "the leafs are amazing now." they aren't. but the future is looking good, and we're set up for success if it works out well. you can cite the last 40 years that we've sucked - but this management and ownership group has taken why we have - and have addressed it quickly, and without any other issues instead of burying their head in the sand and accepting the status quo.

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The Canucks management doesn't really seam to have consensus plan in place. A top draft pick is more of a bonus of poor play than a rebuilding process.

I just saw the highlights... those 2 goals were so bad, the tank must be real. They weren't even "softies". They were just bad positioning that pretty much left the half of the net wide open to shoot at. For an NHL caliber goalie, that kind of play/positioning would almost seem intentional...

If I wasn't on board with tanking, I'd be pretty livid with the refs not calling a penalty on Ribiero taking Vey down at centre prior to the rush that produced the tying goal though... It was actually hard to stop myself from getting mad hahaha "Remember the tank Chris... The tank..." and then turning my anger into gratitude toward Mr. Referee for missing a blatant call and helping our tank.