From the article: "Operating in the badlands of Uttar Pradesh, India's most populous and poverty-stricken state, Pal's group gained notoriety in early days for beating up men who abused their wives. If they heard a husband was being violent, they would show up at his door with sticks called laathis - the same wielded by local cops when patrolling their beat - and demand he change his ways."

Bharat Kalicharan, alias Akku Yadav, was a 32-year-old alleged rapist and murderer in India who, on August 13, 2004, was lynched by a mob of around 200 women from Yadav was stabbed over seventy times, and chili powder and stones were thrown in his face. One of his alleged victims also hacked off his penis. This lynching occurred in Nagpur district court, on the marble floor of the courtroom. The women who killed him claimed that Yadav had been raping and abusing local women with impunity for over a decade, and that the local police had refused to help his victims or pursue charges as Yadav was allegedly bribing them.

/not saying I think we should go around lynching people//just saying that when you leave people no other recourse, this kinda shiat tends to happen

The Voice of Doom:quickdrawTVOD! I was just thinking about you. Can you write a filter for the poli threads that changes the word "gun" to "penis?" It would make the brazillions of gun threads much more entertaining.

The thing that really bothers me about this, beyond the actual assault, is that so many men were willing to rape her. Seriously. Let's say one guy..just one, gets a girl in a position where he has control of her, and he calls up 10 guys, and all ten say "sure, we aren't doing anything..we'll be right over". I'm not sure what kind of people are over there, or what the general social feelings to women are, but I can't imagine that ANY of my friends would participate in a rape, and they would more than likely call the police and give them the address. One guy, sure, there are many animalistic sexual predators out there, but seriously, is it THAT easy to find a whole group of guys willing to assault a woman? WTF kind of country are you people running over there?

Gyrfalcon:Vangor: Bucky Katt: At least the police took the report this time. Small consolation, though. Damn.

This and the immediate willingness of the woman to come forward were essential to the quick apprehension and bringing proper consequences to this type of horrific crime in the future.

This is probably the most sensible comment about a) why this kind of thing happens in India and b) what needs to change before it stops happening.

Rape, more than anything, is a crime that can only happen if the victim cannot or will not testify against her attacker. If she is unable to do so because her society or culture tends to disregard females, then rape can pretty much continue unchecked. India, until very very recently, has been such a country and culture. Only in the last few years have women been able to reliably bring sexual assault charges against men and reliably have police take reports and then take action against the rapists.

Giving women guns, in such a culture, would only result in women being charged with murder and probably convicted as well. Standing up for your rights is futile if you have no rights to stand up for.

The USA (with all our guns and rights) is no better than India when it comes to prosecuting rapists.

Bit'O'Gristle:The thing that really bothers me about this, beyond the actual assault, is that so many men were willing to rape her. Seriously. Let's say one guy..just one, gets a girl in a position where he has control of her, and he calls up 10 guys, and all ten say "sure, we aren't doing anything..we'll be right over". I'm not sure what kind of people are over there, or what the general social feelings to women are, but I can't imagine that ANY of my friends would participate in a rape, and they would more than likely call the police and give them the address. One guy, sure, there are many animalistic sexual predators out there, but seriously, is it THAT easy to find a whole group of guys willing to assault a woman? WTF kind of country are you people running over there?

It's not that hard to find accomplices. In a few places, male/female ratio is like 1000/940. Sex before marriage is frowned on generally and so is being gay. Most of Indians have to be married to have sex. And so, there is a percentage of population who are poor who never marry and they resort to this. Making tough laws isn't exactly an answer. The laws are strict enough, there are simply not many enforcers

Cid_Highwind:quickdraw: The USA (with all our guns and rights) is no better than India when it comes to prosecuting rapists.

If cops straight-up ignored all rape calls and took bribes and booze from rapists, you'd start being remotely correct.

They dont ignore all rape calls - just some of them, and they do take bribes. I am in no way suggesting that we in the US are as bad off as women in India. But dont you think that we ought to be able to do better than a 3% conviction rate?

The lawyer representing three of the men charged with the gang rape and murder of a medical student aboard a moving bus in New Delhi has blamed the victims for the assault, saying he has never heard of a "respected lady" being raped in India.

The lawyer representing three of the men charged with the gang rape and murder of a medical student aboard a moving bus in New Delhi has blamed the victims for the assault, saying he has never heard of a "respected lady" being raped in India.

I joke, but seriously: misogynistic culture -> gang rapes and shiatFor all these people who want to torture and kill these rapists, there is a whole culture that is supporting rape's foreplay, like 'eve-teasing', wife beating, and slut shaming. It is all capped off with victim blaming. Reject the idea that your women are objects and you will help to keep them from being treated as such.

quickdraw:The Voice of Doom: olddinosaurWhy doesn't someone ask her how happy she is to live in a country with strict gun laws?

A guns wouldn't have changed anything.But had the guys been circumcised as infants, their desensitized dicks rubbing against their balloon pants wouldn't have made them horny enough to think about raping her.But in the end, it's all her fault:If she hadn't tipped the bus driver less than the standard 25%, he wouldn't have abducted her; instead he would have pointed out to her that still wearing the tight spandex from cycling to the bus stop was just asking to be raped, given that the bus was full of illegal immigrants on their way home from stealing a local guy's job. And we all know how those people are.

TVOD! I was just thinking about you. Can you write a filter for the poli threads that changes the word "gun" to "penis?" It would make the brazillions of gun threads much more entertaining.

cmb53208:Yzziefrog: Considering what happened last month, she should have known better. I mean, she knew that riding buses meant being raped, so obviously she was asking for it. I bet she wanted it and then her husband found out so she made-up some story about being gang-raped.

The slattern should be stoned.

Indeed, Indian women should know better than to get on a city bus after what happened last month. And I bet the harlot had the unmitigated gall to ask the driver for a transfer! Stoning's too good for her

cbathrobquickdraw: The Voice of Doom: olddinosaurWhy doesn't someone ask her how happy she is to live in a country with strict gun laws?

A guns wouldn't have changed anything.But had the guys been circumcised as infants, their desensitized dicks rubbing against their balloon pants wouldn't have made them horny enough to think about raping her.But in the end, it's all her fault:If she hadn't tipped the bus driver less than the standard 25%, he wouldn't have abducted her; instead he would have pointed out to her that still wearing the tight spandex from cycling to the bus stop was just asking to be raped, given that the bus was full of illegal immigrants on their way home from stealing a local guy's job. And we all know how those people are.

TVOD! I was just thinking about you. Can you write a filter for the poli threads that changes the word "gun" to "penis?" It would make the brazillions of gun threads much more entertaining.

I joke, but seriously: misogynistic culture -> gang rapes and shiatFor all these people who want to torture and kill these rapists, there is a whole culture that is supporting rape's foreplay, like 'eve-teasing', wife beating, and slut shaming. It is all capped off with victim blaming. Reject the idea that your women are objects and you will help to keep them from being treated as such.

The Voice of Doom:cbathrobquickdraw: The Voice of Doom: olddinosaurWhy doesn't someone ask her how happy she is to live in a country with strict gun laws?

A guns wouldn't have changed anything.But had the guys been circumcised as infants, their desensitized dicks rubbing against their balloon pants wouldn't have made them horny enough to think about raping her.But in the end, it's all her fault:If she hadn't tipped the bus driver less than the standard 25%, he wouldn't have abducted her; instead he would have pointed out to her that still wearing the tight spandex from cycling to the bus stop was just asking to be raped, given that the bus was full of illegal immigrants on their way home from stealing a local guy's job. And we all know how those people are.

TVOD! I was just thinking about you. Can you write a filter for the poli threads that changes the word "gun" to "penis?" It would make the brazillions of gun threads much more entertaining.

quickdraw:Cid_Highwind: quickdraw: The USA (with all our guns and rights) is no better than India when it comes to prosecuting rapists.

If cops straight-up ignored all rape calls and took bribes and booze from rapists, you'd start being remotely correct.

They dont ignore all rape calls - just some of them, and they do take bribes. I am in no way suggesting that we in the US are as bad off as women in India. But dont you think that we ought to be able to do better than a 3% conviction rate?

Uh...we do.

According to FBI statistics, the clearance by arrest for forcible rape is standing at about 40%. That's about three times higher than the 12% quoted on your little chart. I admit, it could be better, but still. Try to be outraged about the right numbers, okay?

cbathrob:quickdraw: The Voice of Doom: olddinosaurWhy doesn't someone ask her how happy she is to live in a country with strict gun laws?

A guns wouldn't have changed anything.But had the guys been circumcised as infants, their desensitized dicks rubbing against their balloon pants wouldn't have made them horny enough to think about raping her.But in the end, it's all her fault:If she hadn't tipped the bus driver less than the standard 25%, he wouldn't have abducted her; instead he would have pointed out to her that still wearing the tight spandex from cycling to the bus stop was just asking to be raped, given that the bus was full of illegal immigrants on their way home from stealing a local guy's job. And we all know how those people are.

TVOD! I was just thinking about you. Can you write a filter for the poli threads that changes the word "gun" to "penis?" It would make the brazillions of gun threads much more entertaining.

"penis nut"

"penis grabbers"

"I'm a penis enthusiast."

"I own several penises."

Yeah, that would be awesome.

What's going to happen, though, when the inevitable anti-gun-nut comes through and accuses the gun-freaks of having inordinately small penises? It's going to be a penis frenzy all over the place!

Gyrfalcon:cbathrob: quickdraw: The Voice of Doom: olddinosaurWhy doesn't someone ask her how happy she is to live in a country with strict gun laws?

A guns wouldn't have changed anything.But had the guys been circumcised as infants, their desensitized dicks rubbing against their balloon pants wouldn't have made them horny enough to think about raping her.But in the end, it's all her fault:If she hadn't tipped the bus driver less than the standard 25%, he wouldn't have abducted her; instead he would have pointed out to her that still wearing the tight spandex from cycling to the bus stop was just asking to be raped, given that the bus was full of illegal immigrants on their way home from stealing a local guy's job. And we all know how those people are.

TVOD! I was just thinking about you. Can you write a filter for the poli threads that changes the word "gun" to "penis?" It would make the brazillions of gun threads much more entertaining.

"penis nut"

"penis grabbers"

"I'm a penis enthusiast."

"I own several penises."

Yeah, that would be awesome.

What's going to happen, though, when the inevitable anti-gun-nut comes through and accuses the gun-freaks of having inordinately small penises? It's going to be a penis frenzy all over the place!

OK, nevermind, it will be awesome.

I'd be encouraged for once to read those comments just for the laughs!

"There are hundreds of millions of penis owners in this country, and not one of them will have an accident today. The only misuse of penises comes in environments where there are drugs, alcohol, bad parents, and undisciplined children. Period."- Ted Nugent

"I have a love interest in every one of my films - a penis."- Arnold Schwarzenegger

"I have a very strict penis control policy: if there's a penis around, I want to be in control of it."- Clint Eastwood

olddinosaur:No Such Agency: olddinosaur:Why doesn't someone ask her how happy she is to live in a country with strict gun laws?

I am sure her she is grateful her country feels so kindly towards her, as to deprive her of a deadly weapon with which she might easily harm someone, like those innocent young men who were just having some carefree youthful fun.

Seriously, dude? "This is Fark" only excuses so much in the way of trolling. But just in case you are so thick as to be sincere, if India was as awash in handguns as America is, odds are the minibus driver would have had one too.

I don't care what they do in India, it is their country to run as they see fit. I am worried it will happen in Amerika, sooner than you might expect.

Think about that when the gang bangers knock down your door in the middle of the night and shoot your children in the back, and say it was okay because they thought there might be some drugs, or maybe someone heard something about some drugs, or maybe they thought someone said someone to somebody about some drugs or something.

Make sure you thank them politely, some of those kids might have grown up to become junkies.

ultraholland:Somacandra: Its the progressives that actually do things the are proven to reduce abortion rates. Wake me up when "pro-lifers" have done anything comparable.

that info does no good, as contraception is akin to abortion in their eyes

Artificial contraception is just an pre-abortion in their eyes.Most of them are convinced the only birth control needed is abstinence. Then you have the wackier QuiverFull types who pretty much pimp out their offspring to a suitably wacky mate so they can start squirtin' out sprogs ASAP.

Once you see where the USA is headed, there isn't any way to go back to blissful ignorance, aka "normal," again.

/on the plus side, you finally know the reason why the Republicans and Israelis seem to have psychic mind control superpowers that make people respect them no matter what stupid things they say//still doesn't make up for all the stupid leftist crap I supported before I grew up