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Kino no more

Each country worldwide has a different format. Here are the ones I am familiar with with a few examples of where this is a good format. I can give recommended agencies and clubs if interested):

Tho there is some variance, in an FKK there is a bar and restaurant area and a sauna and often gardens and a pool and Kino at the nicer ones like Oase and Sharks. some guys stay all day and eat lunch and dinner there and stay to the wee hours. Jn this respect there is nothing else like it in the world.

I was at Sharks recently and I was told that the Kino has been closed.

Each country worldwide has a different format. Here are the ones I am familiar with with a few examples of where this is a good format. I can give recommended agencies and clubs if interested):

1 Escort incall outcall of course.

London, Montreal, Toronto, Tokyo.

2 Bar w girls. Pay bar fine.

Bangkok, Sao Paulo, Malaga.

3 Bar w girls. No bar fine.

Shanghai?

4 Gogo w girls. Pay bar-fine.

Moscow, Bangkok.

5 Parade of Girls. One at a time intro.

Barcelona?

6 Fishbowl.

Bangkok?

7 FKK / Terma.

Frankfurt, Rio.

Of these the FKK is rather unique, with a Terma being the next closest thing. Tho there is some variance, in an FKK there is a bar and restaurant area and a sauna and often gardens and a pool and Kino at the nicer ones like Oase and Sharks. The guys may not wear street clothes. You can choose a towel or a robe. The girls are generally fully nude. Onsite rooms 50 a half hour for the basics and some upsell from there. It is not a one and done affair. Although the most I've ever had time for was a four shot evening, some guys stay all day and eat lunch and dinner there and stay to the wee hours. Jn this respect there is nothing else like it in the world.

You forgot the Macau's sauna experience.

Close the a German FKK but to a far higher level of services of any kind. More pricey of course.

I miss annies. Bikini girls

I really miss Annies massage as it was my first massage in Bangkok like 20+ years ago but also because it was on the few day massage places that display girls in Bikinis so you can see exactly what you are getting.

Does anyone care to share any current medium sized massage places that display girls in Bikinis rather than the standard dress which can hide a lot baby damage etc. ?

I have 5 months left before I hit Bangkok for a 6 month trip. You guys are depressing me. Is there no hope for an old guy who just needs a quickie here and there. Maybe I'll get a condo near Lumpini LOL.

I can't speak for wild and crazy (real) porn romps since they have never been my thing. But I am getting much better conventional sexual encounters in Bangkok now than I did 25 years ago in the early/mid 1990's. I'm talking about ordinary BBFS and BBBJ+CIM (often + Swallow) kind of sex. And most of that is with go-go girls, freelancers and dating site girls, about 20% of which are also straight up freelancers and the rest regular girls claiming to look for Mr. Right.

Then again, that era was a particularly bad one for mongering in Thailand because it was the height of the HIV/Condom Condom Condom hysteria. Not so much anymore. And I can't compare my experiences today with those of 10 years ago because I didn't monger here 10 years ago.

But these days I am getting tons more of what I am into from younger and better looking girls than I got back then. I credit much of that improvement to two factors; the aforementioned tempering of the HIV/Condom hysteria (not missing entirely, just less so) and the advent of smartphones with the Line app and other means of inspiring girls to have sex with me, and good sex, in ways other than what usually transpires in a bar or shop.

Bangkok vs FKK.

Being not too familiar with FKKs, I'm keenly interested in such a comparison and hearing exactly what the differences are. And I can't be the only guy here with the same interest.

Each country worldwide has a different format. Here are the ones I am familiar with with a few examples of where this is a good format. I can give recommended agencies and clubs if interested):

1 Escort incall outcall of course.

London, Montreal, Toronto, Tokyo.

2 Bar w girls. Pay bar fine.

Bangkok, Sao Paulo, Malaga.

3 Bar w girls. No bar fine.

Shanghai?

4 Gogo w girls. Pay bar-fine.

Moscow, Bangkok.

5 Parade of Girls. One at a time intro.

Barcelona?

6 Fishbowl.

Bangkok?

7 FKK / Terma.

Frankfurt, Rio.

Of these the FKK is rather unique, with a Terma being the next closest thing. Tho there is some variance, in an FKK there is a bar and restaurant area and a sauna and often gardens and a pool and Kino at the nicer ones like Oase and Sharks. The guys may not wear street clothes. You can choose a towel or a robe. The girls are generally fully nude. Onsite rooms 50€ a half hour for the basics and some upsell from there. It is not a one and done affair. Although the most I've ever had time for was a four shot evening, some guys stay all day and eat lunch and dinner there and stay to the wee hours. Jn this respect there is nothing else like it in the world.

Don't be put off by all the jaded comments you find on forums like this. Seems the complainers always outnumber the advocates. There is PLENTY of fine young pussy available at reasinable prices. Go in positive and non-transactional and you will have a good share of excellent experiences!

LOL I know I was being a bit facetious. I have been reading the same complaints for almost 20 years.

Starting on the old Nanaplaza Board and I have always had a good time anyway. My idea of a hot chick and a fun fuck differs from yours and I'm sure there is something for everybody.

Now I must say that there is quality pussy in an FKK. I had a great time in The FKK near Bad Hamburg outside Frankfurt, not so much in one near the French Border. But hey, pussy is pussy. And to me, after a long day of doing everyday stuff like shopping and such like, a quick stop at the BJ bar before a cocktail by myself on my balcony and an early bedtime is priceless! I don't pay them for sex I pay them to leave.

Do not despair.

I have 5 months left before I hit Bangkok for a 6 month trip. You guys are depressing me. Is there no hope for an old guy who just needs a quickie here and there. Maybe I'll get a condo near Lumpini LOL.

Don't be put off by all the jaded comments you find on forums like this. Seems the complainers always outnumber the advocates. There is PLENTY of fine young pussy available at reasinable prices. Go in positive and non-transactional and you will have a good share of excellent experiences!

I would say comparing FKK to destinations like Bangkok or Jakarta is like comparing apples to oranges. Each place has its pluses and minuses. I am pretty sure having intimate knowledge of the local culture and the ability to converse in local languages like Thai or German would help tremendously in one's own experience.

I hope that you have fun while you are there Uncle V, I think the weather should be nice enough over there by now.

Thanks so much for he kind wishes.

Of course you are right about apples and oranges and being a local always puts you at an advantage. I imagine this is especially true in Germany,.

But if asked to choose between the two I am just presenting the rationale hat goes through my head as someone that is not a local in either location and does nto speak the language.

Unless you really take the top shelf girls the FKK experience is comparable to finding a gem on Soi 6. But probably not even as good as almost all Soi 6 girls do BBJ, DFK (and for many even CIM) standard. You have to pay extra for these nowadays in many FKKs. Moreover, Soi 6 is much cheaper as there is no entrance fee (50-70 Euro) and a sessions only sets you back 40 Euro.

FKKs were much better about 10 years ago when they were not dominated by Romanians and before the draconian laws. I remember some amazing sessions with hot young Czech, Slovak and even German girls. Passionate DFK and heavy petting while waiting for the room, real GFE experiences in the room, and many times much DFK and hanging out after.

I am heading to Germany for work tomorrow and will do a visit to an FKK while there. I'd so much rather be heading to Patts right now.

I would say comparing FKK to destinations like Bangkok or Jakarta is like comparing apples to oranges. Each place has its pluses and minuses. I am pretty sure having intimate knowledge of the local culture and the ability to converse in local languages like Thai or German would help tremendously in one's own experience.

I hope that you have fun while you are there Uncle V, I think the weather should be nice enough over there by now.

That is pretty standard at most Nana bars that I know of. Complaining to the manager is a complete waste of time, they are the ones that make that policy and ensure that it is enforced.

The thing is, I wasn't hassled rudely like that in other gogo's like the Rainbows I went in, nor in many other gogo's throughout Thailand. And interesting the reaction this time compared to six years ago.

I realize complaining to the manager is pretty much useless in general, but seeing as how so many people automatically ask guys whenever they have problems in a bar, "did you talk to manager," just wanted to cover my bases. He was about the worst I've come across in my years of mongering.

I think the reason for the non-adaptation to farangs and the ease of adaptation to the Japanese is that Thai in some ways are naturally prudish and conservative when it coms to sex because that is what culture has dictated to them for some time, so the shy innocent style suits them well. Pre-2014 it seemed to me that these mores had loosened a bit in the 15 years I was here at that point, with the average gal dressing and acting sexier and being overall more comfortable with expressing their sexuality. The events of the past 4 years have brought an about face to that. Sex has again been labeled as something bad, something the bad and poor people do, and everyone knows that gaining status is very important to the locals. Plus many of them think it's just gross. Really, how many Thai gals have you had that love to play with cum? Very few, if any. Most are repelled by it, even the ones that like sex.

No longer on uni campuses do you see gals in tight shirts and short skirts. Siam Sq is now the center for frumpy dresses when 5 years ago short shorts, short skirts, and belly shirts were the rule. Jeez, even in Pattaya the gals are dressing more conservatively, which is just amazing to me. Watch some Thai soaps; the gals are nice looking, but dressed conservatively, and almost completely devoid of any real sexuality. In fact, I would say frigid describes them quite well. Been to a mall lately and seen Thai dudes being dragged around by their demanding GFs? To top that off I see a lot of young handsome farang dudes (non-mongering types) with gals I would give 500 Baht for ST. And same, they are following the gal like puppy dogs and they are as whipped as can be. Just call them Mr Butter. So what the hell chance do we as over 50 mongers have? Very little to tell you the truth. And I really don't see that changing. Yes, it's out there; I had a good time in Pattaya, but it is far more work that it used to be when you could walk out of Sukhumvit and your had so many gals to choose from.

I agree with this theory. By the age of 20 in most latin or euro cultures girls can already really fuck and a lot are downright nasty by this stage. In many latin cultures it is positively rude to knock fuck a chics ass and most beg for CIM. I really struggle in Bangkok because girls just aren't naturally into being dirty little ho's and for this reason, although I am in Asia all the time I prefer to save energy, resources and sanity by just mongering elsewhere. Of course everyone has his own preferences and opinions.

I have 5 months left before I hit Bangkok for a 6 month trip. You guys are depressing me. Is there no hope for an old guy who just needs a quickie here and there. Maybe I'll get a condo near Lumpini LOL.

FKK vs. Thailand can be argued until we are blue in the face. Personally I was a FKK guy for 5 years making 6 trips per year but since I discovered Thailand I only visit Germany annually and I have moved to Pattaya. Imo the biggest contributing factor is whether you prefer Thai or Romanian girls. There are exceptions to the rule but imo there is no GFE from Romanian girls. Thai girls can give you the perception of a GFE.

Price wise both are comparable for a day of fun. A top gogo girl in Pattaya will run a non-expat 2000 barfine, 5000 overnight, 1000 food and snacks, 2000 drinks at gogo bar, totaling 10,000 baht per night. Add a few thousand baht if you're going to Hollywood disco. 10,000 baht in Germany would be FKK club entry and 2 girls for 1 hour. Give me the Thai girl who has just given her all for 18 hours from 9 pm until 3 pm the next day over 2 Romanians for 2 hours total. Regardless of price I know which I prefer to do for my 18 hours. FKK clubs are also extremely boring unless you're with a girl or a group of buddies.

Don't get me wrong Romanians can be beautiful but so are the TOP end Pattaya gogo girls. I'm not referring to 98% of the Thai girls you can get for a fraction of the cost.

I am not as experienced in FKKs as BB but I agree completely.

Unless you really take the top shelf girls the FKK experience is comparable to finding a gem on Soi 6. But probably not even as good as almost all Soi 6 girls do BBJ, DFK (and for many even CIM) standard. You have to pay extra for these nowadays in many FKKs. Moreover, Soi 6 is much cheaper as there is no entrance fee (50-70 Euro) and a sessions only sets you back 40 Euro.

FKKs were much better about 10 years ago when they were not dominated by Romanians and before the draconian laws. I remember some amazing sessions with hot young Czech, Slovak and even German girls. Passionate DFK and heavy petting while waiting for the room, real GFE experiences in the room, and many times much DFK and hanging out after.

I am heading to Germany for work tomorrow and will do a visit to an FKK while there. I'd so much rather be heading to Patts right now.