LI wanted to participate in a gang rapeLI could not get it up5 men involved in the rape are convictedLI manages to get off LI makes no attempt to explain the caseLI is scum until proven otherwise(doubtful)

LI wanted to participate in a gang rapeLI could not get it up5 men involved in the rape are convictedLI manages to get off LI makes no attempt to explain the caseLI is scum until proven otherwise(doubtful)

MARCOS AVELLAN NAMES HIS KID AFTER LI

MARCOS AVELLAN COMES TO MMA.TV TO DEFEND HIS "BROTHER"

MARCOS AVELLAN GETS EATEN ALIVE ON MMA.TV

MARCOS AVELLAN ASK KIRIK TO DELETE THREAD.

Was Marcos getting shit on in his thread? I didn't get to read much of it yesterday, I remember posts were disappearing tho

LI wanted to participate in a gang rapeLI could not get it up5 men involved in the rape are convictedLI manages to get off LI makes no attempt to explain the caseLI is scum until proven otherwise(doubtful)

MARCOS AVELLAN NAMES HIS KID AFTER LI

MARCOS AVELLAN COMES TO MMA.TV TO DEFEND HIS "BROTHER"

MARCOS AVELLAN GETS EATEN ALIVE ON MMA.TV

MARCOS AVELLAN ASK KIRIK TO DELETE THREAD.

Was Marcos getting shit on in his thread? I didn't get to read much of it yesterday, I remember posts were disappearing tho

LI wanted to participate in a gang rapeLI could not get it up5 men involved in the rape are convictedLI manages to get off LI makes no attempt to explain the caseLI is scum until proven otherwise(doubtful)

MARCOS AVELLAN NAMES HIS KID AFTER LI

MARCOS AVELLAN COMES TO MMA.TV TO DEFEND HIS "BROTHER"

MARCOS AVELLAN GETS EATEN ALIVE ON MMA.TV

MARCOS AVELLAN ASK KIRIK TO DELETE THREAD.

Was Marcos getting shit on in his thread? I didn't get to read much of it yesterday, I remember posts were disappearing tho

People asked him questions that he refused to answer. Tom Callos destroyed Avellan's claims about him. Avellan popped back in once to say "i expected this reaction" but didn't answer any questions. People shit on him for his condescending attitude and his blind loyalty. Then he asked for the thread to be removed.

You guys want to make this a big story? SEO stuff and trying to get boycotts at BJJ tournaments is small potatoes, imo.

Someone get local media in on this story. All the local network TV affiliates (ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox) love these kinds of community investigative/undercover reporting stories. The kind where the reporter goes up to the scumbag on camera while they try to cover their face, run away, etc...

Most of us believe this story has merit.

You have a well-respected martial artist and big-time school in the community.

The martial artist in question has a sordid history involving a gang rape where he got off on a technicality.

Two of his top fighters just raped a fellow classmate.

He has had a professional (and perhaps personal) relationship with a convicted child molester (sambo black belt).

He conducts rape prevention seminars and works with women and kids.

If nothing else, this is something potential customers should know about. If they still choose to join his school, then so be it.

Liyon - You guys want to make this a big story? SEO stuff and trying to get boycotts at BJJ tournaments is small potatoes, imo.

Someone get local media in on this story. All the local network TV affiliates (ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox) love these kinds of community investigative/undercover reporting stories. The kind where the reporter goes up to the scumbag on camera while they try to cover their face, run away, etc...

Most of us believe this story has merit.

You have a well-respected martial artist and big-time school in the community.

The martial artist in question has a sordid history involving a gang rape where he got off on a technicality.

Two of his top fighters just raped a fellow classmate.

He has had a professional (and perhaps personal) relationship with a convicted child molester (sambo black belt).

He conducts rape prevention seminars and works with women and kids.

If nothing else, this is something potential customers should know about. If they still choose to join his school, then so be it.

Either that or get Anonymous and 4Chan to make it a bigger story.

A guy here claims to have Facebook messaged this to ANON. What's the local station in Maryland? Parents and potential students need to be aware before you or your kids go train there

Jason Reinhardt - this dissapoints me. (if true) However, college kids do some realy really dumb shit, and if this did happen, i am sure Lloyd regrets its terribly. Think about this everyone: First of all, let me say this...I do not condone or even think this kind of thing is the least bit funny nor do i take it lightly. it actually discusts me. (just remember, yes, certain girls do sometimes place themselves in compromising situations and some may say "they asked for it" I don't personally believe any woman "asked for it". Here's what i want to get accross.... just remember, these party girls are someones daughter, someones sister, someones granddaughter ect..., and should be respected as such. If Lloyed was involved in something like this, think of all what he's given back to society. Think of all the kids lives he's touched and changed. Think of all the positive motivation and adult lives he's changed through jiujitsu and martial arts. We have all done stupid shit at one time or another. Some worse than others. That story sickens me. It really does. i have heard Lloyd is a good man today as a MAN, (not a college kid) I sure hope it's not true. But if it is, i try and look at how Lloyd leads his lie now, as opposed to some college "party kid". Lloyd contributes a lot to society in helping improve and touch lives. Perhaps he said to himself, "i have to give back for the mistakes i made"? who knows.

Liyon - You guys want to make this a big story? SEO stuff and trying to get boycotts at BJJ tournaments is small potatoes, imo.

Someone get local media in on this story. All the local network TV affiliates (ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox) love these kinds of community investigative/undercover reporting stories. The kind where the reporter goes up to the scumbag on camera while they try to cover their face, run away, etc...

Most of us believe this story has merit.

You have a well-respected martial artist and big-time school in the community.

The martial artist in question has a sordid history involving a gang rape where he got off on a technicality.

Two of his top fighters just raped a fellow classmate.

He has had a professional (and perhaps personal) relationship with a convicted child molester (sambo black belt).

He conducts rape prevention seminars and works with women and kids.

If nothing else, this is something potential customers should know about. If they still choose to join his school, then so be it.

JIM SPENCER

I'm glad I wasn't on the jury that had to decide whether Terrence Gatling and Lloyd Irvin Jr. were guilty of gang-raping a 17-year-old Hampton University freshman.

Although the jurors found Gatling guilty of forcible sodomy, there was not enough evidence to convict either man of rape.

Still, when the three-day rape trial ended Monday, the defendants had revealed too much about themselves to be let off the hook for what happened Oct. 7 in Gatling's apartment.

On that evening a 17-year-old girl agreed to go to dinner with a group of male college students she barely knew. Then she agreed to go to an apartment with them for a party. Somewhere along the line she drank some booze.

By the end of the night, at least seven men had had sex with her. Neither Gatling, who is 21, nor Irvin, who is 20, tried to talk any of them out of it. Instead, they joined in. Or tried.

Irvin was saved by the fact that the jury believed he was impotent when it was his turn.

The rape trial was argued on the same turf as most rape trials: The girl, 5 feet 2 inches tall and 98 pounds, said she was forced to submit to the men's sexual advances. She said when she struggled with one of them, he hit her in the mouth. A medical report showed that her mouth was bruised.

The men said she was a willing participant in an orgy. Lawyers for Irvin and Gatling called witnesses who claimed they heard the girl encourage the men having sex with her.

The defendants also claimed that one of the first men to have sex with her came out of the bedroom yelling, "She's a freak. She's a freak."

Irvin and Gatling apparently took that to mean the 17-year-old was a nymphomaniac.

My question is: What difference does that make?

Does it justify being the seventh guy into the bedroom, or, for that matter, the first?

The jury didn't really address that.

"It was an emotional trial," one of the jurors, Barry Spigel, told me. "But we did a good job of getting rid of our own separate emotions and considering the evidence. The jury felt that there was reasonable doubt of whether a rape had occurred."

"I feel the girl was raped," said Bessie Singleton, another juror. "But the room where this happened was dark, and with all that was going on, it was unclear who was doing what."

"It's not over in my mind," Paul Hoyt, a third juror, confided. "These kinds of trials never are. You hope you call it correctly. I don't know what else you can do. We prayed to God for some guidance. I don't think anybody got any great revelations."

Without divine intervention, the trial turned on legal definitions. That's the only fair way, I know, but in this case it doesn't seem like enough.

Irvin walked free, not because he did the right thing and refused to have sex with a 17-year-old. He testified that he wanted to have intercourse with her but couldn't.

First rule about the Soldiers of Submissions is that we don't talk about the S.O.S. Once you're on the Combat Gold Club and you have what it takes someone will talk to you about the Soldiers of Submission. Those that gain entrance into this elite group must have the will and desire of a True Champion. This group isn't for everyone and for this reason we don't speak about it.

Liyon - You guys want to make this a big story? SEO stuff and trying to get boycotts at BJJ tournaments is small potatoes, imo.

Someone get local media in on this story. All the local network TV affiliates (ABC, CBS, NBC, Fox) love these kinds of community investigative/undercover reporting stories. The kind where the reporter goes up to the scumbag on camera while they try to cover their face, run away, etc...

Most of us believe this story has merit.

You have a well-respected martial artist and big-time school in the community.

The martial artist in question has a sordid history involving a gang rape where he got off on a technicality.

Two of his top fighters just raped a fellow classmate.

He has had a professional (and perhaps personal) relationship with a convicted child molester (sambo black belt).

He conducts rape prevention seminars and works with women and kids.

If nothing else, this is something potential customers should know about. If they still choose to join his school, then so be it.

Either that or get Anonymous and 4Chan to make it a bigger story.

A guy here claims to have Facebook messaged this to ANON. What's the local station in Maryland? Parents and potential students need to be aware before you or your kids go train there

Look at the original news video of the recent rape by Lloyd Irvin's students. Get the name of the reporter that covered the story and call her.

Jump Kick -
Too many pages to sift through - can someone post the evidence that was used to conclude that the girl was forcibly raped vs. consensual? Did any of the convicts admit they forcibly raped her?

WTF? LOL!

Other than the 5 convictions for rape, no. No evidence was found of rape.

Jump Kick -
Too many pages to sift through - can someone post the evidence that was used to conclude that the girl was forcibly raped vs. consensual? Did any of the convicts admit they forcibly raped her?

WTF? LOL!

Other than the 5 convictions for rape, no. No evidence was found of rape.

What is wrong with you? So at trial their convictions were used to convict? I'm not saying it didn't happen, I'm asking for the evidence presented at trial.

Jump Kick -
Too many pages to sift through - can someone post the evidence that was used to conclude that the girl was forcibly raped vs. consensual? Did any of the convicts admit they forcibly raped her?

Jump Kick -
Too many pages to sift through - can someone post the evidence that was used to conclude that the girl was forcibly raped vs. consensual? Did any of the convicts admit they forcibly raped her?

Holly Smith was a physician at Riverside Regional Medical Center in the early morning of Oct. 10, 1989, when the 17-year-old was brought in by a police detective for examination. Smith testified Friday that the exam was hampered because the woman suffered from vaginal spasms.

The doctor said the disorder virtually always is the result of rape, rather than consensual sexual intercourse, and that the condition can last for years. Often, she said, women explain that they cannot have intercourse after they have been raped because they get scared and begin to experience the spasms.

``It is very common after rape,'' said Smith. ``It is not common otherwise.''

Jump Kick -
Too many pages to sift through - can someone post the evidence that was used to conclude that the girl was forcibly raped vs. consensual? Did any of the convicts admit they forcibly raped her?

Holly Smith was a physician at Riverside Regional Medical Center in the early morning of Oct. 10, 1989, when the 17-year-old was brought in by a police detective for examination. Smith testified Friday that the exam was hampered because the woman suffered from vaginal spasms.

The doctor said the disorder virtually always is the result of rape, rather than consensual sexual intercourse, and that the condition can last for years. Often, she said, women explain that they cannot have intercourse after they have been raped because they get scared and begin to experience the spasms.

``It is very common after rape,'' said Smith. ``It is not common otherwise.''

Thanks.

What was the deal with Lloyd and the other guy? Why was one convicted and other not? Other than limp dick obviously.

AFAIK, the transcipts are no longer available. The girl had been punched in the face, and was experiencing vaginal spasms. A doctor testified they are almost exclusively the result of forcible sex, and almost never the result of consenual sex, no matter how 'rough'.

And TLI (Too Limp Irvin) was found not guilty, because of the reasonable doubt introduced by the testimony that she was being forcibly orally sodomized by TLI's friend while "Master" Irvin 'tried' to rape her. Because there was more than one person in the room while TLI attempted rape, the jury bought the defense argument that it could have been someone else who jumped in and began forcibly raping the victim. TLI is far removed from 'innocent'.

My belief is that Lloyd was the only one who didn't claim consensual sex in their statement to the police, and the lawyer propositioned the TLI-defense.

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