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Looked into the Tosh thing more. I think I found a bad transcript of it with my first link. Yeah, that wasn't cool. I hadn't caught that he was specifically using the heckler as his subject. Also, having thought about it more, it really goes against the other arguments I've made (and agree with) no matter the context.

So, basically, everything else I said. That's a shame, because I usually find Tosh funny. But this was, as with all rape jokes and for every reason anyone has cited here or in the debate thread (which I can't keep up with anymore), over the line.

Men have lead us to freedom, brought blacks and whites together, end the great depression, created things like stoplights and cars and they have also fought wars for the longest for our freedom. Oh and they also brought out a bill to protect you from getting abused (VAWA) So yeah... they do alot.

edit: i realize the person was banned but yeah, I get passionate about these things. Don't mind me.

You, um, you just responded to a troll account that was very clearly intended to be a parody of YOU.

How meta.

Also Cipher is right everyone else sucks.
Carry on.

How did the mathematician solve his constipation problem?
He worked it out with a pencil.

Anyone who defended Tosh in this thread has lost a ton of respect from me and is a disgusting rape apologist.

A little too broad.

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Originally Posted by chuboy

Quick, someone get the scientific community onto this one! A truly brilliant hypothesis that would have been insofar overlooked by every researcher who has contributed to this field of science. And it's only 8th grade stuff!

Originally Posted by Mister Zero

I roam Johto with my partner Pokemon, Rattata, who knows Hyper Fang, Sunny Day, Rock Smash and Cut. Anyone who runs with more than one Pokemon or evolves their Pokemon takes the game way too seriously.

Oh I'm sorry, maybe I hurt the feelings of some well meaning rape apologists by being a little too broad. Next time I'll take into account the subtleties of publicly saying a woman should be gang raped because she doesn't like your rape joke.

Oh I'm sorry, maybe I hurt the feelings of some well meaning rape apologists by being a little too broad. Next time I'll take into account the subtleties of publicly saying a woman should be gang raped because she doesn't like your rape joke.

Not a single man in this topic even said anything like that.

You know, it's hard to respect the other side of the issue if people jump to such rash conclusions like this.

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Originally Posted by chuboy

Quick, someone get the scientific community onto this one! A truly brilliant hypothesis that would have been insofar overlooked by every researcher who has contributed to this field of science. And it's only 8th grade stuff!

Originally Posted by Mister Zero

I roam Johto with my partner Pokemon, Rattata, who knows Hyper Fang, Sunny Day, Rock Smash and Cut. Anyone who runs with more than one Pokemon or evolves their Pokemon takes the game way too seriously.

Okay, to be fair, and IP just handled really well (better than I would have) in her last debate thread post, "rape apologist" (while true) is probably too loaded a word to throw at people when these conversations come up.

Most of them simply don't know. They don't know how hard the system makes it for victims. They don't know how damaging their own attitudes are. They don't know why men are the presumed culprits or even when they're blaming the victim. We're not dealing with people who have poured over statistics and women's accounts and decided it still doesn't matter. It's unfortunate that that's not all accessible, common knowledge to begin with, but that's why we're discussing it in the first place.

While, yes, "rape apologist" is apt, throwing it around or getting mad at the offending party is the surest way to shut down communication. And most people can be brought around. "Rape (or hell, gender-issue)-ignorant" seems weak and apologetic in and of itself, but it's an equally true description that leaves room for progress.

(I realize I'm opening myself up to the argument that it's offensive to call someone racist "race-ignorant" or anything other than "racist," or that it really is as horrible as being a rape apologist and semantics shouldn't have to scrub themselves down to be more palatable, but such are the very first steps of education. And I'm not even sure I'm right on this.)

i try to just lurk and not post here because nothing good ever comes out of it, but i'm just going to say that while what Tosh did was pretty disgusting, posts like these bother me:

Originally Posted by intergalactic platypus

Anyone who defended Tosh in this thread has lost a ton of respect from me and is a disgusting rape apologist.

what Tosh did was douchey and rape jokes are pretty shitty but it's also pretty douchey to interrupt a show that a bunch of people paid money for instead of just walking out if you're uncomfortable and confronting him about it after the show.

also another thing said above is true. if you want to teach people why rape is bad then insulting them is a pretty bad way to do it, since it makes them not want to listen to a word you say.

also kudos to Cipher for being level headed and actually promoting discussion, something this forum never does because they're too busy throwing shit at each other.

It's just broad in the sense that I defend Tosh in other ways. I defend his right to say it. It doesn't mean I would say or would encourage him to say it. It doesn't mean I think rape isn't a big deal.

Masada says Tosh asked the audience, "What you guys want to talk about?" After someone in the front said "rape," a woman in the audience started screaming, "No, rape is painful, don’t talk about it." Then, Masada says, "Daniel came in, and he said, 'Well it sounds like she’s been raped by five guys' — something like that. I really didn’t hear properly."
He continues, "It was a comment — it wasn’t a joke at the expense of this girl."
Masada says that the woman then sat through the rest of Tosh's set — which received a standing ovation — before complaining to the manager about Tosh's joke. The manager apologized, Masada says, and offered her tickets to come back to the Laugh Factory for another performance, which she accepted.
"If you’re offended why would you take a couple tickets to come back to the club again?" he says. "If you were offended, how about the rest of the audience" — 280 people total — "who’s giving a standing ovation?"

And with all things considered, I'm starting to wonder if the outcry truly was deserved still; which was my original point.

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Originally Posted by chuboy

Quick, someone get the scientific community onto this one! A truly brilliant hypothesis that would have been insofar overlooked by every researcher who has contributed to this field of science. And it's only 8th grade stuff!

Originally Posted by Mister Zero

I roam Johto with my partner Pokemon, Rattata, who knows Hyper Fang, Sunny Day, Rock Smash and Cut. Anyone who runs with more than one Pokemon or evolves their Pokemon takes the game way too seriously.

okay, seriously, time to stop it. this thread isnt for arguing or debating and kreis approved the rape topic in debates specifically for it to go there. talk about it there instead of shitting this thread up with constant arguing. thx.

be sure to read the rules of every section before posting ;)

Little Miss Stalinist/Secret Al-Qaeda agents (i.e. Ellie) would be a ***** even if she was a conserative republican. What makes her the way she is happens to be the fact that the webmaster of this site let's her behave like this. (Of course, I would never make a liberal a staff member at any forum I'd be in charge of, regardless.)

Sorry if the term rape apologist got people up in arms. It's used in daily parlance in places that I visit that talk about these kinds of issues, so it's just sort of something I use in these kinds of scenarios.

ETA: Sorry Ellie, you posted before me. I'll delete the thing about what Tosh really said.

if he didnt come in here for talk about his fanfic i doubt he'll come in for that =(

and it's ok if you posted right after me. just no more after that because clearly if it's been that long someone is just ignoring my post haha.

be sure to read the rules of every section before posting ;)

Little Miss Stalinist/Secret Al-Qaeda agents (i.e. Ellie) would be a ***** even if she was a conserative republican. What makes her the way she is happens to be the fact that the webmaster of this site let's her behave like this. (Of course, I would never make a liberal a staff member at any forum I'd be in charge of, regardless.)

If I'm remembering my time in Pokemon Anime Discussion correctly, he thinks the show was amazing singlehandedly because of May and without her his opinion plummeted. I know she's just a cartoon character, but she's still supposed to be a preteen cartoon character, so there's that.