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Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

Ann Coulter is doing what she does best for the GOP; throwing shit to the wall for them to see what sticks.

The only chance that the GOP has at making any inroads in picking up Hispanic Votes; who aren't Cubans, is to either lead the way, or to be equal partners in finding a solution to our Nation's Immigration Problems.

But go ahead Ann, throw Marco Rubio under the bus, and you can be the poster child of why the GOP should remain a party of "Angry white MEN."

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Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

While I'm no fan of Coulter, she did pretty much predict that Romney would lose. As for Rubio, he deserves her wrath. Being in Florida, I can tell you that Rubio has done ZERO to advance immigration solutions here (or anything else) and really needs to learn that the Hispanic community is not only about the Cuban people.

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

The immigration problem is the immigration. With millions of Americans unemployed and underemployed, we need a moratorium to give our people a chance. The reason the Democrats want immigration "reform" is that they want to rush illegals to voting status to join the class/race war and vote Democrat. Their idea of Democracy is that if the American people don't want the party's socialist agenda, flood the country with poor immigrants who will vote socialist.

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

i dont think romney lost all by himself. the gop never had much of a chance to begin with. im actually stunned that the republican candidate got as many votes as he did, who are these people who want to take our country backwards?

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

Is Coulter even relevant? She's just a shock queen... says whatever she needs to to get her name in the press and sell books.

It wasn't difficult to see that Romney would lose. He wasn't a very good candidate, his people ran a shitty campaign, they picked an idiot for Veep for him. His entire campaign was a joke and now they're trying to erase the memory of it as fast as they can. It's like it never existed.

Originally Posted by Benvolio

The immigration problem is the immigration. With millions of Americans unemployed and underemployed, we need a moratorium to give our people a chance. The reason the Democrats want immigration "reform" is that they want to rush illegals to voting status to join the class/race war and vote Democrat. Their idea of Democracy is that if the American people don't want the party's socialist agenda, flood the country with poor immigrants who will vote socialist.

And here the broken record goes on with his immigrant bashing. Monotonous.

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

Originally Posted by Benvolio

The immigration problem is the immigration. With millions of Americans unemployed and underemployed, we need a moratorium to give our people a chance. The reason the Democrats want immigration "reform" is that they want to rush illegals to voting status to join the class/race war and vote Democrat. Their idea of Democracy is that if the American people don't want the party's socialist agenda, flood the country with poor immigrants who will vote socialist.

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

Originally Posted by chrisrobin

Does he eat what doesn't stick? He really should go easy on the eye makeup!

lmao. Someone invoked Mann Coulter.

on the topic: I actually spent years worried that the upcoming large Latino voter base might swing Republican because of their traditionally conservative and Catholic social views. I can't even tell you how many Prop 8 support bumper stickers I saw on cars here in California where every other bumper sticker was in Spanish. Republicans are sticking hardcore to the idea that their message isn't out of touch or to blame, just the implementation of disseminating it and obstructing the vote for non white males. As far as I'm concerned they can keep running on that platform, and lose monstrously again in 2016.

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

Benvolio -- when immigration reform is passed I will fully expect you to post pictures of your tear stained pillow case. Kick your legs sweety it will make it all better.

Ann Coulter is a demonstration of how far the republicans have to go to go around their own 'braintrust' base of ideology. They have built their hole so deep climbing out and becoming a part of America will be difficult.

Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

Originally Posted by Orlandude

and really needs to learn that the Hispanic community is not only about the Cuban people.

A lot of people need to acquaint themselves with the definition of "Hispanic" especially those who like to throw around the catchphrase "the Latino vote". Some people seem to think that all Latinos have the same cultural traits and political leanings and that they therefore vote as a block on certain issues.

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

Originally Posted by JustMe5

A lot of people need to acquaint themselves with the definition of "Hispanic" especially those who like to throw around the catchphrase "the Latino vote". Some people seem to think that all Latinos have the same cultural traits and political leanings and that they therefore vote as a block on certain issues.

My partner of 17 years is a full-blooded Puerto Rican, and both he and any member of his extended family to whom you speak will tell you that the illegals from Mexico are NOT Hispanic by any stretch of the original meaning of the word.

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

Originally Posted by Benvolio

The immigration problem is the immigration. With millions of Americans unemployed and underemployed, we need a moratorium to give our people a chance. The reason the Democrats want immigration "reform" is that they want to rush illegals to voting status to join the class/race war and vote Democrat. Their idea of Democracy is that if the American people don't want the party's socialist agenda, flood the country with poor immigrants who will vote socialist.

Are you just another Tea Party bigot, Ben? Seriously? Here is how you find out. Do you agree with the following statement, or do you think it's bigoted:

The Tea Party is a movement devoting itself to the needed task of developing a genuine spirit of American patriotism. Tea Party members are to be examples of pure patriotism. They are to organize the patriotic sentiment of native-born Americans for the defense of distinctively American institutions. Tea Party members are dedicated to the principle that America shall be made American through the promulgation of American doctrines, the dissemination of American ideals, the creation of wholesome American sentiment, the preservation of American institutions.

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

Originally Posted by GiancarloC

. By the way, Mexicans are hispanic. This is just a fact.

I.

Look up the word Hispanic. It denotes a relationship to Spain or, in some definitions, to ancient Hispania, which comprised the Iberian Peninsula including the modern states of Andorra, Portugal, and Spain and the British Crown Dependency of Gibraltar. In recent decades it has been corrupted by some to refer to anyone who speaks Spanish, but this is not accurate.

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

Originally Posted by GiancarloC

Shoot to kill? This isn't a dictatorship. Get real. One doesn't kill people who are just trying to find a better life. And this country isn't "yours". One doesn't own the entire country. This country is open for immigrants and was built by immigration... legal or otherwise.

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This county was not built by illegal immigration. If people want to come here, let them wait in line. It's that simple.

When they cross the border illegaly, they are breaking the law and should be sent packing.

Of course, the survival of the democrat party rests on there being a permanent underclass in this country, which explains their unwillingness to act.

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

Typical Republican mindset. Reality doesn't reflect my worldview so let's change reality to fit the worldview. Mexicans are now not hispanic because I choose to recognize only hispanics of a certain worldview that I agree with.

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

Originally Posted by GiancarloC

. People in Puerto Rico by the way are descended from African slaves... to a great degree. !

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That shows how much you know about Puerto Ricans. Yes, there are Puerto Ricans of mixed blood, and there are Puerto Ricans who trace their ancestry straight to Spain and who are as light skinned as any other Caucasian. In fact, members of the latter group tend to look down on members of the former.

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

Originally Posted by HenryReardon

There is no such thing as a "Native American." The Indians were not native, they, too, came from somewhere else, but longer ago.

Your sophomoric argument won't wash.

So you agree that they were illegal immigrants, and therefore illegal immigrants were the foundation of America just like their fellow illegal immigrants Puritans and the British Colonists? Thanks for helping me make my point!

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

Originally Posted by HenryReardon

That shows how much you know about Puerto Ricans. Yes, there are Puerto Ricans of mixed blood, and there are Puerto Ricans who trace their ancestry straight to Spain and who are as light skinned as any other Caucasian. In fact, members of the latter group tend to look down on members of the former.

Yeah, in the world that you appear to live in.

There's not a huge "immigration" problem in Puerto Rico that last time that I was stationed there.

Unless you're a Columbian on your way to an American Prison.

Puerto Ricans are a lot like Native Texans; if you have a heritage that predates U.S. Government Involvement, then that history tends to supercede.

So far I'm not reading much that indicates that you have a leg to stand on in that argument.

Originally Posted by HenryReardon

There is no such thing as a "Native American." The Indians were not native, they, too, came from somewhere else, but longer ago.

So instead of a Century or two, you're arguing that those who came here during the last "Ice Age" took jobs and food away from those who were already living here?

Your sophomoric argument won't wash.

Wait!

What?

Originally Posted by HenryReardon

The democrat party could not survive without an underclass that is dependent on government handouts for survival. It's their largest voter base.

And the GOP couldn't survive without a group of Angry White Former Segrationists/Dixiecrats!

Between the two parties, which of the two do you think are going to die out first?

Hint: It ain't going to be the group that crossed over during the last "Ice Age."

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Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

QUOTE: HenryReardon

This county was not built by illegal immigration. If people want to come here, let them wait in line. It's that simple.

Actually, if you go back to the "seed people" - those who came "to America" in colonial (and pre-colonial Sixteenth Century) times - they were coming to a land where the concept of Nation-State was not really known. Therefore, the concept of "illegal immigration" likely didn't even exist. The closest to "illegal" would have been for the original inhabitants to be suspicious of newcomers, and perhaps try to chase them away.

As I understand it, though, the aboriginal peoples usually welcomed the newcomers openly - much to their detriment - which they did not foresee or imagine. Pogroms such as forced relocations or wholesale exterminations were also concepts which weren't commonly practiced in the Americas "in 1491" and I doubt the natives were prepared for such egregious human behaviour, but such stuff was already something which was already commonly practiced across much of Europe for many centuries prior.

And, as far as WAITING IN THE IMMIGRATION QUEUE, there is **no reason** why the necessary background checks, etc. should need to take more than THREE OR FOUR WEEKS. Perhaps much more of the immigration would be LEGAL-and-documented if the bottlenecks were resolved. With ubiquitous computer bases and such, this should be entirely fast and streamlined. This is the damned 21st Century. It shouldn't take DECADES for applications to be processed. This is entirely absurd. I was very happy to actually hear Obama talking about the awful delays, which I don't believe I ever heard mentioned by anybody in the discourse before this year.

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Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

Most of the illegals swarming across our southern borders are of Meso-American Inddian stock and have very little, if any, Spanish blood in them. Hence, not Hispanic.

FYI the eastern bloc border patrols were set up to keep people in, not to keep people out.

As for shoot to kill, why not? If someone is breaking into your house, you are within your rights in shooting them.
Breaking into your country is no different.

Your logic is disturbing, HenryReardon. What kind of nation would we be if we shot men, women, and children on sight? You do realize many of these illegal immigrants are families of women and children, correct? Are you equating a home invasion to justifying a headshot to an 8 year-old child crossing a river?

It's so easy to just say, "shoot them, kill them. Keep them out. Their deaths will solve the problem." Do you actually understand the weight of your words?

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

Originally Posted by Just_Believe18

Your logic is disturbing, HenryReardon. What kind of nation would we be if we shot men, women, and children on sight? You do realize many of these illegal immigrants are families of women and children, correct? Are you equating a home invasion to justifying a headshot to an 8 year-old child crossing a river?

It's so easy to just say, "shoot them, kill them. Keep them out. Their deaths will solve the problem." Do you actually understand the weight of your words?

What amazes me is that all these same people justified the colonization of the Americas with "Indians committed atrocities too" but turn right around with so much as a batted eye and say mass slaughtering women and children at the border would be morally justifiable based off some extremist cowboy interpretation of home self defense laws.

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

Shooting people on sight as a policy is appalling. We've got to make things easier on legal immigrants, and allow a path to citizenship for illegals that have been here and have made families...self deportation or forcible for that matter runs the gamut from imparactical to ludicrous. Unbridled amnesty, or failure to control borders isn't acceptable either, though to be fair to the Obama Administration many undocumented illegals coming from other sources than the southern borders have been returned to their counties of origin in the past four years.

Delicate balance is needed, as overall immigration is a boon for Americans as a whole as well. If the GOP listens to the Ann Coulters, they indeed will be signing their effective death sentence in the coming years.

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

Originally Posted by Sausy

Shooting people on sight as a policy is appalling. We've got to make things easier on legal immigrants, and allow a path to citizenship for illegals that have been here and have made families...self deportation or forcible for that matter runs the gamut from imparactical to ludicrous. Unbridled amnesty, or failure to control borders isn't acceptable either, though to be fair to the Obama Administration many undocumented illegals coming from other sources than the southern borders have been returned to their counties of origin in the past four years.

Delicate balance is needed, as overall immigration is a boon for Americans as a whole as well. If the GOP listens to the Ann Coulters, they indeed will be signing their effective death sentence in the coming years.

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

There are those here who see me as uncritically right wing, but over the years I have posted in opposition to the hard right elements in the right. Not ever going to be a progressive in all my views, but the right has often gone way over the line in recent years and I don't think a roomful of hard line ultraconservatives would be happy with my stances, either.

What works effectively isn't tied down to uncritical ideological purity in the real world.... governing by mere sound bites and obstructionism (whatever the party) just isn't in the best interests of Americans, period. The GOP has gone further in an ideological direction than the Democrats have and if they want to remain relevant nationally, they have to accept the responsibility of governing a complex country in term of demographics. Easy to say no and always point to cartoonish villains than to be responsible and work hard to do diligently the people's business. Party that does it best is poised to move America forward and despite some Republicans getting the memo it has escaped the fervent base.

Some Republicans have stated recently the party has to stop being one of stupid comments and reflexive anti intellectualism. It still has a long way to go in that regard!

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

Originally Posted by Sausy

There are those here who see me as uncritically right wing, but over the years I have posted in opposition to the hard right elements in the right. Not ever going to be a progressive in all my views, but the right has often gone way over the line in recent years and I don't think a roomful of hard line ultraconservatives would be happy with my stances, either.

What works effectively isn't tied down to uncritical ideological purity in the real world.... governing by mere sound bites and obstructionism (whatever the party) just isn't in the best interests of Americans, period. The GOP has gone further in an ideological direction than the Democrats have and if they want to remain relevant nationally, they have to accept the responsibility of governing a complex country in term of demographics. Easy to say no and always point to cartoonish villains than to be responsible and work hard to do diligently the people's business. Party that does it best is poised to move America forward and despite some Republicans getting the memo it has escaped the fervent base.

Some Republicans have stated recently the party has to stop being one of stupid comments and reflexive anti intellectualism. It still has a long way to go in that regard!

Yessir!

And I've had the honor of rubbing elbows with you while sharing a beer, face to face, and this debate isn't it.

Our Media, and many in this forum want to see our country as "divided."

Those of us who "think" and aren't afraid to share our ideas and thoughts with each other, who aren't willing to hold a grudge because we disagree, because we love our country, and respect each other as friends and neighbors, should always matter more.

It's never as bad as some would want us to believe.

There isn't an "us and a them."

We are the "them."

I'd rather make fun of you because your team lost, or take jibes from you because my team did, than to allow hucksters to divide us over politics, or any issue of the day that really effects us.

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Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

If you were to substitute Catholic, Jewish, Irish, Italian, for Hispanic or Latino, our right-wing JUB posters would have fit right in with the KKK of the 1920s. They seem to forget that vehemence of the anti-Catholic and anti-Jewish hatred for immigrants of the last century.

Re: Ann Coulter Rips Marco Rubio Over Inmigration Reform.

It appears that you are unwilling to acknowledge that Republicans want immigration reform. Instead you have introduced an alternate theme – limiting illegal immigration.

How should the US go about limiting illegal immigration?

Most immigrant reform efforts contain some attempt to limit illegal immigration. I don't think Republicans want more immigrant. But alas, we have passed the tipping point. We have so many voters of recent immigration, who want more immigration by their ethnic group, that any politician who votes against immigration is likely to loose. In the last election the Hispanic vote was overwhelmingly Democrat and Hispanics seem to want, not only "reform"--a quick road to citizenship-- but more influx of Hispanics. You can hear the result in the public discussion by Republicans: how can we survive as a party if we do not join in pandering to the Hispanics. How can I survive as a politician if I do not?
By labeling as racist and xenophobic any one who questions it, the liberals have foreclosed discussion of the broader questions, including poverty and unemployment. How can we every overcome poverty and unemployment when we are faced with a virtually unlimited influx of more poverty?