as an example on how things never play out the way they do in the movies, here's the ending to the original 1964 Willy Wonka as is followed by how it would play out in real life>Willy Wonka movie

Grampa Joe: it's an elevator

Wonka: it's a wonka vator! an elevator can only go up and down, but the wonka vator can go up and down, side to side, long ways and short ways, and up and till now I've pressed them all! except that one! go ahead Charlie!

now lets see how that same scene would play out if Willy Wonka had Aspergers syndrome>Willy Wonka real life

Grandpa Joe: it's an elevator

you: it's a wonka vator! an elevator can only go…

Grandpa Joe: well I'm not going to argue with you! all i did was make an observation, and you want to argue with me about it right off the bat!

you: sir I'm not arguing with you I'm…

Grandpa Joe: see your doing it again! you don't need to argue with everything I say! and another thing…

10 minutes later

Grandpa Joe: and that's why I'm never eating your chocolate again!

you: can I say something really quick?

Grandpa Joe: go ahead!

you: all I was trying to say is that this is a special kind of elevator, that goes in more directions then just up and down! up until now I've pressed them all! except that one! go ahead Charlie!

Grandpa Joe: what the hell happening?!!! get me out of this thing before I call the police!

yeah I'm sure this version would have been a family classic, I hope whomever is reading this is able to see by now why people with Aspergers live angry stressful lives, engaging in unusual behavior like this toward them accomplishes nothing and only creates problems, it's the responsibility of society as a whole to do their part and see to it that these types of societal problems don't stick around for future generations of Aspergers to suffer through, clean up your act and your reward is a brighter tomorrow.

>>18414Please keep your cancer off of ubuu. Nobody gives a fuck about your straw-manning. Society is not entitled to accommodate towards you because you are incapable of interacting with others in a normal fashion. Your hypothetical scenario would never happen in real life because that's not how real people act. Here's something a bit more accurate. >Willy Wonka real lifeGJ: it's an elevatorW: No, idiot! It's a wonka vator! It can go in every two dimensional plane and it has 52 buttons and I have pressed all of the buttons but I haven't pressed the 34 button yet actually. Push it now Charlie! *flaps arms*GJ: Ummm, are you alright Mr.Wonka?Wonka: Press it! Press it!*jumps up and down*Charlie: A-alrightWonak: Do it faster!GJ: You shouldn't speak to a child like that Mr.WonakaWonaka: It's not my fault Charlie is a stupid slowpoke hahahahaeeeeeeeehhhhhhhit takes off and Wonka curls into the fetal position and starts rocking back and forth while Grandpa Joe and Charlie look on in horror.

Either me or OP has Asperger's and I'm not sure which. I would assume that most people would have put two and two together and would have assumed that the 'wonka vator' either was a silly, random name for an elevator that was given to the elevator entertain his child or they would have at least heard him out.

The inability to sense intent and non-verbal cues is a common symptom of Asperger's. The stealing of the conversation to the point of it becoming one sided is also pretty characteristic of Asperger's. Talking for 10 minutes with little input from the person listening seems to be a red flag. The only logical thing that he's said in that whole scenario is that he was going to call the police after lifting off in that elevator, that seems like it would be terrifying irl.

I now realize after typing the above that you probably meant to imply that Wonka would have lacked the ability to make the non-verbal cues for Joe to be able to read even if he had the ability to but it just shows that this comparison doesn't work when the medium you use to share it on doesn't allow you to show the actual thing you're comparing.

It has been a while since I've seen the movie and the actual scene in question so idk if 'irl Joe's' actions make more sense in context.

>>18416>I now realize after typing the above that you probably meant to imply that Wonka would have lacked the ability to make the non-verbal cues for Joe to be able to read even if he had the ability to but it just shows that this comparison doesn't work when the medium you use to share it on doesn't allow you to show the actual thing you're comparing.I think you're stretching to give op the benefit of the doubt. From their defensive and cavalier statements at the end, it seems more likely to me that they're trying to demonize, "neuro-typicals", by painting them as abrasive, presumptuous and overly judgmental before getting any kind of context for being so. Typical persecution-complex.

>>18423From both personal experience and observation of those with aspergers doing something similar to people on TV or even flat out mimicking word for word something a character said they end up getting a completely different reaction in real life then what the character on TV got, that's what the op scenario is meant to convey.

it's entirely possible to learn what your quirks are and steer away from them as to fit in better. it's absolutely not society's responsibility to handle atypicals with kid gloves, because they shouldn't, it's not only unnecessary but demeaning. it's fucking demeaning there are people like you who try to push that agenda. are you really that self-absorbed that you require the rest of the world to change just for you and some strawman bullshit?

i don't know why the fuck so many people with autism feel like it's some kind of card to play when you're acting like an idiot. it might be having a hand in your actions but ultimately you are still in fucking control. retards.

and leave willy wonka out of this what did he ever do to you man that's harsh

So people are rude to each other even though there is no gain in that, but you expect people to stop being rude just because of the fair chance the other may have Aspergers? Did I read this right?Also, I'm very sorry, but I've been laughing for five minutes reading this thread. My colleague probably believes I have Aspergers now.

No you didn't, it would be nice if people weren't rude to other people but that's not the focus here.

The focus is on your society engaging in weird behavior toward people with aspergers, period! I don't condone rude behavior but at the very least if your society is going to be rude toward those with aspergers can you least make sense while doing so?

For example if a mugger points a gun at you and says "give me all your money", its clear what the motive is because we've not only seen this scenario on TV but also in real life, so its safe to say that this is a scenario that MAKES SENSE because we all know what a mugger is and we all know what a mugger does.

However in your society where anything goes regardless of whether it makes sense or not, a mugger approaching someone with aspergers would point a banana at him saying "give me all your rupees", this is our focus here, this kind of thing is what needs to stop!

>>18439In OP's example, Wonka is supposedly is the one with autism but it's GJ actually who is acting like a retard. This is a contradiction that confuses >>18416 too, and actually this >>18415 is a more real example if it's indeed Wonka the one with Aspergers. You didn't say anything nor give any clue as to what you try to imply with your example.Then comes this shit >>18437 that makes it even harder to interpret. Why on fucking earth would you assume a mugger would go with a banana and say something like that for someone specifically with aspergers? You aren't trying to put an analogy here, you're literally saying that that's how people with aspergers feel all the time, as if people knew they had aspergers and act like retards in front of them on purpose. That doesn't make any fucking sense. I literally can't even see what's your point in the whole thing. The whole thread is a nonsense clusterfuck and people can't even agree on what on earth are you babbling about.

>>18440From both personal experience and observation of those with aspergers doing something similar to people on TV or even flat out mimicking word for word something a character said they end up getting a completely different reaction in real life then what the character on TV got, that's what the op scenario is meant to convey.

>>18441You already wrote that and it still doesn't make any sense because that's not what happens in real life. If what you describe in OP happened in real life to me I'd have listened to the person and then asked what's the reference. That doesn't either explain why people "point aspergies with bananas to steal their rupees". It doesn't explain anything at all. It's the aspergie acting silly here, not the other way around, what the fuck has that to do with other people needing to accommodate for the likes of you?

>>18440>You didn't say anything nor give any clue as to what you try to imply with your example.

How is what I said here not clear enough, I stated things never play out the way they do in the movies (that's what I'm implying) then gave an example of that, by showing a side by side comparison of how that scene in the movie played out (which is soppose to be the normal scenario) vs how that scene would play out if it were taking place in real life (which is soppose to be the abnormal scenario), and this is normal vs abnormal from an asperger perspective based upon how scenarios play out on TV vs how they do in real life.>as an example on how things never play out the way they do in the movies, here's the ending to the original 1964 Willy Wonka as is followed by how it would play out in real life

>>18442Maybe it would help if I gave an example using something from personal experience.

A friend of mine in shop class back in high school made a wooden napkin holder, the following day I got him brand new napkins and put them in his napkin holder to surprise him, the expectation (normal scenario) is that he would see that and give some form of a "thank you", instead the scenario I got (that abnormal scenario) was him in an agrivated tone saying "who put this shit here!" Along with the teacher addressing the situation as though I were the antagonist trying to upset him by giving him a gift,

Regardless of their reasons for acting the way they did, the point I'm trying to make is that these sorts of unexpected abnormal responses to things that don't warrent them need to stop.

Because you state that wonka has aspergers but don't actually illustrate in any way why that affects anything you describe. If you take that part off, it still comes as showing that GJ is a dick and wonka just somebody that wanted to make a joke but couldn't. Asperges has absolutely fucking nothing to do with it. If I try to do the same thing I will get the same reaction if the guy I'm talking with is a dick, even when I don't have aspergers. Aspergers has nothing to do with it. It's confusing because there is absolutely no correlation. All the cases you describe have nothing to do with aspergers being the silent enemy or cause here, the problem is that the people you describe in those situations are plain dicks, but you still insist that it's because people have aspergers that they get this shitty reactions.

>>18446Under normal circumstances this one post of yours would win the debate and finally provide me with an answer I have been seeking after for the past 25 years.

Unfortunately everytime I thought I found the answer it would turn out to be a dead end, the last time I came to this same conclusion that some people are just dicks in generally and not just towards aspergers, I thought I finally closed the case on why people get offended when there's seemingly nothing to be offended by, but the person I was talking to at the time contradicted that by saying "no that's the aspergers speaking, you need to learn what offends people!" Sending me right back to square one, and if you were to say the very same thing to me, your post then would hold no meaning.

>>18444>how that scene would play out if it were taking place in real lifeThat's not how that scene would play out in real life. Some people are just dicks, but that doesn't mean everybody else will have no problem with anything you say or that if somebody is bothered by what you say, they are a dick. What's illogical is basing your understanding of reality on tv, something that is not reality. Learn how to act around others from how they act in real life, not in movies. If you do something to offend somebody else, learn from your mistake. If somebody gets pissed when you put napinks in the napikin holder they made in woodshop, don't that again. Learn that that is not an appropriate time or way to give soebody a gift. Learn that napkins aren't comsidered a good gift either. The only time when you should give somebody a gift is when it is warranted by some event where gifts are traditionally given, not out of the blue, at least not with strangers who don't care about you. How is it that psychopaths, who feel no emotion, learn how to imitate others to a degree where not only do they not stand out, but they're actually charismatic and likable, while some aspies can't get even the most basic grasp on proper social interaction? Observe, and imitate, real people.

>>18447Well, I'm not gonna lie to you. There are cases and cases, I've only analyzed those present in this thread. I don't think that putting napkins on that thing was really offending or anything, at least from what you tell me. For example, ff you've done that with a guy you had no relations with, it could come off as creepy or unpleasant. But you've said he was a friend, right? I don't really see the problem with it, other than it could be considered an odd quirk, but not one needing a teacher to interfere. And I don't know under what context that person told you that it was aspergers fault, so I can't tell you whether he's right or not.Basically, what the other guy is saying, you ought to learn what is considered good to do and what isn't, and don't take media as a good example to follow because they're mostly scripted to make the story move, and not based on how real people would react to certain events.

Also, I still don't understand the banana analogy or what do you mean by "The focus is on your society engaging in weird behavior toward people with aspergers". I've read it a few times again to see what you're trying to imply but all I've got out of it is that "normal" people act weird in front of aspies to piss them off or something. This isn't common. I mean, you can't tell aspies from common people at a glance, unless they were doing something so odd it could raise a flag. And even then, why somebody would engage in these "weird behaviors" toward them? Unless you're a dick trying to ridiculize them, which brings us to first base again.

I was giving an example of what a mugger is expected to do vs what he's not expected to do, examples of what is normal vs what is abnormal and I used a mugger with a gun and a mugger with a banana to help convey that. How was that not clear?>or what do you mean by "The focus is on your society engaging in weird behavior toward people with aspergers". I've read it a few times again to see what you're trying to imply but all I've got out of it is that "normal" people act weird in front of aspies to piss them off

Congratulations!!!

You didn't need something broken down for you for once, that's exactly what I was trying to say!

>>18458Did you seriously just use unironically use an mlp reaction image? Also, stop ignoring my posts. People don't go out of their way to act strangely to people with Asperger's syndrome. Are you in high school by any chance. That's extremely important for to know in this discussion and for me to understand you.

>>18458>How was that not clear?Because it's completely outside the topic of conversation, or at least you didn't make the effort to actually point out why it's relevant. I understand that you present normal behavior vs non-normal behavior, but what you don't realize is that with this analogy you are implying "normal" people engage in these "weird behaviors" towards aspies on purpose because they have aspergers, and then in the next post you tell me "normal people" get pissed off when aspies do this "weird shit". It's just too confusing because the information doesn't correlate and your point doesn't stand out at all. You're complaining that normal people pisses aspies on purpose by doing weird things but also telling me that they get mad when aspies engage in weird behavior, just what the hell is the point there? That's just people getting pissed when others do stupid shit. It doesn't have anything to do with what we were discussing just now.