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Chris Hume stated fairly publicly that the Police were 'fairly unique' in that they were not able to strike, there are almost 3-4 coppers to Service personnel, why then should should not such a minority group receive advantageous funding; most especially as they much like MPs have to account for every Public money spent?

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Even though it has been provided before, here is the page You can download it from. LIberal Democrats

As a taster, here is the first sentence or so.

Our troops protect the nation  we must protect them. Britains armed forces protect the country and are a force for good in the world. But with increasing overseas commitments, they are overstretched. The Government should not be cutting the size of the armed forces while at the same time asking them to take on ever more difficult tasks.

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Even though it has been provided before, here is the page You can download it from. LIberal Democrats

As a taster, here is the first sentence or so.

Our troops protect the nation  we must protect them. Britains armed forces protect the country and are a force for good in the world. But with increasing overseas commitments, they are overstretched. The Government should not be cutting the size of the armed forces while at the same time asking them to take on ever more difficult tasks.

LE

So, what, your party policy changes every year does it, or just every four years? How about you tell us, on ARRSE, what the view and/or policy of the LibDems on Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, the British Armed Forces, their role in the world, and their future role in the UK, and their funding levels will be.

I'm sure it won't be dreamed up in the next 3 months - there will be a long standing policy towards the armed forces of the UK, and I'd like to hear what that is, from you.

For example: Do the Libdems plan on pulling the armed forces out of Iraq, Afghanistan, do the Libdems plan to provide a large real term increase in MOD funding?

Stooge, mouthpiece, or stand-up bloke Sven - make a stand.

Adam Smith - 1776 said:

It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities but of their advantages.

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Biped - You are asking Him to discuss Us in the presence of Them. You must understand that We are of no account to Those beyond our vote. I hope this makes things clear to You because otherwise We will be asked to provide a link to Him and Them who Him serves and We will then be focked about by IT, the servant of Him.

Our troops protect the nation  we must protect them. Britains armed forces protect the country and are a force for good in the world. But with increasing overseas commitments, they are overstretched. The Government should not be cutting the size of the armed forces while at the same time asking them to take on ever more difficult tasks. New equipment continues to arrive late and over-budget, so we will make military procurement more open and competitive. By switching funding from unnecessary programmes, for example by cutting the third tranche of the Eurofighter programme, we will be able to invest more in protecting the welfare of the armed forces, ensuring that they are well-trained and well-equipped. We will seek new ways of sharing the military burden, by working with allies through NATO and the EU. Liberal Democrats will be realistic about what Britain can, and should, take on, and British forces must always be able to deal with emergencies at home, such as terrorism or natural disasters.

Work for the elimination of nuclear weapons and tackle the arms trade. We will press for a new round of multilateral arms reduction talks, retaining the UKs current minimum nuclear deterrent for the foreseeable future, until sufficient progress has been made towards the global elimination of such weapons. Arms sales contribute to conflict, so we will establish a cross-party Parliamentary Arms Export Committee to monitor arms exports and scrutinise individual licence applications. We will require arms brokers to register under a code of conduct and revoke the licences of those who break the code. We will support the establishment of an International Arms Trade Treaty.

LE

So, what, your party policy changes every year does it, or just every four years? How about you tell us, on ARRSE, what the view and/or policy of the LibDems on Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, the British Armed Forces, their role in the world, and their future role in the UK, and their funding levels will be.

I'm sure it won't be dreamed up in the next 3 months - there will be a long standing policy towards the armed forces of the UK, and I'd like to hear what that is, from you.

For example: Do the Libdems plan on pulling the armed forces out of Iraq, Afghanistan, do the Libdems plan to provide a large real term increase in MOD funding?

I can tell You the view on Iraq - my party wanted to pull the troops out much more quickly than the current draw down.

Funding, we promised to give HM Forces the kit (and therefore funding) to do the job, to get the money for it we would in part not fund projects like nuclear weapons. I do not know whether a "large real term increase in MOD funding" was or will be promised, but I doubt it

As I am not part of the manefesto working group I am not privy to the decisions presently being made. However, I can reiterate my beliefs.

Pulling out of Iraq before the job is done would be a disservice to the ordinary Iraqi. More so in Afghanistan. I think that the forces are underfunded to do the job and so MoD should get significant extra funds - it is disgraceful that in prosecuting two different sets of hostilities we have the lowest percentage of the pot since the 1930s.

Our troops protect the nation  we must protect them. Britains armed forces protect the country and are a force for good in the world. But with increasing overseas commitments, they are overstretched. The Government should not be cutting the size of the armed forces while at the same time asking them to take on ever more difficult tasks. New equipment continues to arrive late and over-budget, so we will make military procurement more open and competitive. By switching funding from unnecessary programmes, for example by cutting the third tranche of the Eurofighter programme, we will be able to invest more in protecting the welfare of the armed forces, ensuring that they are well-trained and well-equipped. We will seek new ways of sharing the military burden, by working with allies through NATO and the EU. Liberal Democrats will be realistic about what Britain can, and should, take on, and British forces must always be able to deal with emergencies at home, such as terrorism or natural disasters.

Work for the elimination of nuclear weapons and tackle the arms trade. We will press for a new round of multilateral arms reduction talks, retaining the UKs current minimum nuclear deterrent for the foreseeable future, until sufficient progress has been made towards the global elimination of such weapons. Arms sales contribute to conflict, so we will establish a cross-party Parliamentary Arms Export Committee to monitor arms exports and scrutinise individual licence applications. We will require arms brokers to register under a code of conduct and revoke the licences of those who break the code. We will support the establishment of an International Arms Trade Treaty.

Doing the Firefighters/ambulance drivers/dustmans job is a role we have played for decades and so is seen as part of the job. Give me a political party that promises that the forces will only be used to visit violence at the governments behest.