Comments on: Copy and Authorship by Lucas Verweijhttp://www.dezeen.com/2011/06/09/copy-and-authorship-by-lucas-verweij/
architecture and design magazineTue, 31 Mar 2015 16:36:00 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.org/?v=4.1.1By: mmmmhttp://www.dezeen.com/2011/06/09/copy-and-authorship-by-lucas-verweij/comment-page-1/#comment-788088
Sat, 11 Jun 2011 11:53:38 +0000http://www.dezeen.com/?p=132065#comment-788088One of the main aspects of the project explores the "moral" boundaries of intellectual property. The results you have seen here are the first step of the project. First the students copy the original and in the second step they take the language of these products and try to create their own.
]]>By: alasdairhttp://www.dezeen.com/2011/06/09/copy-and-authorship-by-lucas-verweij/comment-page-1/#comment-786954
Fri, 10 Jun 2011 06:04:18 +0000http://www.dezeen.com/?p=132065#comment-786954@ to bee or not to bee That's what they were doing – learning a design strategy, albeit one that seperates the personal design concept from the production process. Good copying isn't easy and isn't something that happens without thought and intellectual involvement. And so new ideas, new concepts, will develop from such a project. It is, for example, questionable if Frederike Wanstrath would ever have come up with her mobile rechargeable lightbulb lamp had she not been on the project. And so we say, great project!
]]>By: @Lucas_Berlinhttp://www.dezeen.com/2011/06/09/copy-and-authorship-by-lucas-verweij/comment-page-1/#comment-786895
Fri, 10 Jun 2011 04:12:25 +0000http://www.dezeen.com/?p=132065#comment-786895Please watch the video's of Johanna's bees in Berlin. She'll put them online soon. She worked with professional "Imkers". She didn't copy the hot lamps, she copied the proces of making the vase.
]]>By: guyhttp://www.dezeen.com/2011/06/09/copy-and-authorship-by-lucas-verweij/comment-page-1/#comment-786294
Thu, 09 Jun 2011 14:23:01 +0000http://www.dezeen.com/?p=132065#comment-786294Fantastic project, and perfect for a mid-degree student to learn about production, but also think about the value of copyright, which is perhaps not as valuable as 20th century lawyers have convinced us to think. I also think its a good confidence producing exercise, showing students they have the technical ability to pull of the techniques of those they respect.

I would like to see the results of the next step though, the incorporation of incremental improvement. Too much emphasis is placed on novelty nowadays, to the detriment of sophistication and maturation of ideas. Yes designers do mature as individuals in their careers but early interesting and provocative works get left underdeveloped because the designers have moved on and no one else develops them for fear of getting sued or labelled a copycat. Screw that – the value of design to society is the fulfilment of functional and social needs, not an economic value enforced by IP law nor the status of a "designer original" label. And thats why the post by "to bee or not to bee" is incorrect. An over emphasis on developing new production methods can leave many students bewildered, frustrated and surrounded by failed experiments. I say this as a graduate of the DAE too, which has had many students with spectacular successes with new production techniques, but also many failed ones. You probably don't know that because they don't get published. Some designers work best making incremental improvements instead of dramatic experiments, and we should be thankful for it.

And as for the post by "Why" about cruelty to bees, I'm confused – if the production process (or probably more accurately exhibition conditions) were so bad, why didn't you say something or make a report? Without knowing for sure, I can guess that the actual production process Libertiny used originally and the one copied by this KHB student was probably quite normal – bees make honey all the time after all (and in hot conditions too), and probably don't care what shape the honeycomb matrix has been deformed into. Sounds like you saw an exhibition of the production process, perhaps lit too harshly by an overly enthusiastic curator. If it really was bad, you should have said something. No one intelligent wants to harm animals (or look like they are) and probably a request to dim the lights would have been welcomed. Just guessing though, if I'm wrong about my speculations I'm happy to hear differently.

]]>By: to bee or not to beehttp://www.dezeen.com/2011/06/09/copy-and-authorship-by-lucas-verweij/comment-page-1/#comment-786270
Thu, 09 Jun 2011 13:31:41 +0000http://www.dezeen.com/?p=132065#comment-786270Would have been better if these Berlin students were using their time and actually trying to come up with their own new production methods rather than copying ‘famous designers’ discoveries. Most of the original works here have actually done by students at the time, before they become famous…

if the ‘famous’ were to take this class they would have probably never had the chance to come up with any of these works…. this is getting confusing… because… if they ‘famous’ didn’t come up with these works… what the students in Berlin would have done for this class?