LoneWolf343:abhorrent1: That's right subby. Because no one goes fishing, or camping, or hiking or anything else. Everyone who likes the outdoors carries a gun. Now why don't you go make sure your snowflakes bubble wrap hasn't come loose and update you "mommy blog". He's making fun of mah guns!

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FTFY

Um. I said not everyone that likes the outdoors carries a gun. I know reading comprehension is hard but try and keep up. Don't feel bad if you need to ask to have something explained to you. Asking is better than sounding like an idiot. Like you do now.

I shall now offer why it shouldn't be allowed. It's a soft, concealable package that can be easily smuggled into venues that might want people to stay sober or pay the house for drinks. It won't produce the same sort of bulge a rigid mini bottle would.

So what? Judge people by their actual behavior, not their potential behavior. Punish the wicked, not the masses. Or does that not fit into your zero tolerance mind set.

Um, pretty sure you can buy "resealable" (ie, it has a screw-on top) water pouches at the dollar store. I wonder if you could fill those with some other fluid? The only way this could possible be stupider is if the pouch was 3D printed.

brantgoose:Guns and alcohol do not mix. One or the other has to go. I vote guns. Most of us are not alcoholics nor are we bing drinkers because we have grown up and only have one, two, maybe occasionally three drinks within any period of time lasting more than two courses or the equivalent in canapés.

Interesting. You vote on banning guns due to the danger of drinking & guns, but then go on to mention the danger of fishing drunk, boating(canoeing), probably know about drunk driving, etc...

Then you suggest having breathalyzers on guns due to the dangers of being drunk with a gun, specifically at a wedding. Now, I know there have been incidents, but really?

I've been looking for something like this after seeing something similar in a Ray Mears episode.

too bad they don't make it with 190, or vodak.

Now you just know someone will have the bright idea to reuse the pouch and fill it with something like 200 proof moonshine. Someone else will have the even better idea of tossing the pouches in the fire.

Nothing like making it easier and easier to get totally blitzed. Especially during hunting season.

Personally, when I used to drink, I preferred a nice, sturdy metal hip flask. They wouldn't pop if you fell on them and since they were a bit pricey, often engraved, you tended not to toss them in campfires when empty or overboard.

The last hugely innovative booze invention caused a whole lot of problems for everyone. Pop-tops. They eliminated the need for a can opener for beer. However, they came completely off, tended to have sharp edges and were disposed of by casually tossing them away. Especially in the sand at beaches, where folks could cut their feet on them.

BTW. The pouch will have to be made of plastics. The majority of plastics come from petrochemicals. Those chemicals come from crude oil. That means if these things take off, they'll actually contribute to keeping the cost of your gas high.

Thurston Howell:Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Though now that I think about it, the markup is about what you pay for those little travelsized bottles, and they sell well enough that I've never seen a liquor store without them.

But does anybody actually buy those things on a regular basis? I think I've bought maybe 2 in 40 years, probably to pad out cheapo Christmas/birthday gifts for office acquaintances.

I buy them all the time, mostly for when I want to try a new cocktail but dont want to commit to a whole bottle of something I may not care for.

they usually also have $1 bottles of new stuff at the counter for the impulse minded purchaser. so, Ill usually add a buck or two to my bill

That reminds me. I was scanning a book of random odds today and found this shocking factoid: alcoholics are 58x more likely to commit suicide tha sober or teetotal people. 58 times. 5800%. (By coincidence the number of posts in this thread before mine. Synchronicity.)

Guns and alcohol do not mix. One or the other has to go. I vote guns. Most of us are not alcoholics nor are we bing drinkers because we have grown up and only have one, two, maybe occasionally three drinks within any period of time lasting more than two courses or the equivalent in canapés.

Alcohol is also involved in a large majority of accidents, fights, assaults, and stupid pranks.

People who drink should not be allowed to have guns, and people who have guns should not be allowed to touch them while their blood alcohol level is high enough to affect their driving.

Alcohol acts as a depressant. People who are depressed should probably be kept away from guns as well. You are six times more likely to successfully kill yourself with guns than sleeping pills. Sleeping pills give you time for a re-think. Guns seldom leave you any time or room for do-overs.

When I was a child, we often visited our cousins in Maine. During hunting season you would see hunters in the fields, looking for cows and cars to shoot. Stupid city-slickers. If there were a moose in a cow pasture, it would be somebody's pet. They like to keep the cows company. They are often nearly calves themselves.

A lot of people hunt or fish drunk. This is not a good idea either, especially in a canoe. You're lucky if you don't get a good dunking even without the drinking.

Guns should have built-in breathalizers that lock the gun if you are drunk. Then weddings and other family gatherings would be a lot more fun for the people who attend them and a lot less fun for Farkers. I know, that's a big downside, but human lives come first, then yuks.

You act as if "legally blind" meant "completely unable to see anything". Plenty of people who are legally blind have partial vision. I know at least two people who are legally blind, unable to drive a car, but whose vision is good enough to get them around via walking and public transport. I dine out regularly with one of them and he can read regular-print restaurant menus with strong eyeglasses and in good lighting. The other is employed as, IIRC, a software developer; not sure what level of on-the-job accommodation he requires but it's obviously doable.

There's nothing scary about this. The hooch is in a plastic pouch so it's easier to puncture while it's in the hunter's pocket with other objects that could pole a hole in it. Also it's safer for the hunter and anyone with him. If he falls and breaks the glass bottle, there's a chance he could do serious damage to himself. Also the glass remains left behind poses a threat to all the critters that might step on it and hurt themselves. A plastic pouch is harmless.

Also a hunter who is fool enough to be drinking while carrying around a gun will quickly do himself in through some form of alcohol induced stupidity.

For all of your outdoor, movie theater, concert, sneaking in to the office, etc. alcoholic needs, may I humbly present the Porta Shot. Each pouch, for lack of a better descriptive, is about the size of a condom package. They fit nicely in pockets, purses, under a hat, or wherever else you want to hide them. The booze isn't fantastic, but it's sure better than paying full price at a venue for whatever swill they serve. Oh, and I've also gotten them by TSA every time I've tried...

This is a good idea for the distiller/retailer; less so for the consumer. You'd have to be an idiot to buy it.

Distiller: "I'm going to sell you a small but convenient amount of booze in this handy 'outdoorsman' pouch, at a 50% markup in price per volume because you get this cool pouch. And it's convenient."

Consumer: "But I could just buy an ordinary bottle and dump some of it in a hip flask. It's not like whiskey continues to age once it's left the barrel. And when you go into the bush, aren't you supposed to 'leave only footprints, take only memories'...?"

"Yeah, but this saves you from having to do your own pouring (and having to own a reusable hip flask). And you uh have that backwards--when you go into the bush, you're definitely supposed to leave garbage there, not haul it back out with you. Plus, you know, cool pouch!"

Quantum Apostrophe:Um, pretty sure you can buy "resealable" (ie, it has a screw-on top) water pouches at the dollar store. I wonder if you could fill those with some other fluid? The only way this could possible be stupider is if the pouch was 3D printed.

I used to be on a couple of the major ultralight hiking lists. There was a lot of discussion about the best way to carry alcohol around. People would carry everclear in platypus bags and dilute in water with the gatorade packets. As an added bonus, it's a fuel source for lots of homemade camping stoves. But yeah, putting whatever whiskey you want into a platypus bag makes way more sense than paying for this stuff.

muck4doo:Didn't realize being an outdoors man meant you always carried a gun.

Shhhh, let them have their caricatures...it's cute. Probably think the entire South is filled with rednecks too.

But on a different note, the trick is to wear radiation orange when in the vicinity of hunters...and to always walk behind Cheney, never in front of him (and never, ever look him directly in the eyes...this makes him angry).

That's right subby. Because no one goes fishing, or camping, or hiking or anything else. Everyone who likes the outdoors carries a gun. Now why don't you go make sure your snowflakes bubble wrap hasn't come loose and update you "mommy blog".

I shall now offer why it shouldn't be allowed. It's a soft, concealable package that can be easily smuggled into venues that might want people to stay sober or pay the house for drinks. It won't produce the same sort of bulge a rigid mini bottle would.

Its not the business of the government to protect the business models of restaurants or concerts.

Hey, you laugh but I considered my flask of George Dickel essential gear for my segment of the Appellation trail this year. Resealable bag sounds like it could save weight over my traditional stainless steel flask.

Now add alcohol packets to the mix and you have blind people roaming around Michigan armed with guns and probably drunk. they might not shoot you..or they might shoot you they could just wonder in your back yard and take a shot at you..all legal.

Pants thoroughly shat. Since when has it been ok for an outdoorsman to unload and put away his rifle, make camp, and enjoy a stiff drink around a camp fire? This is a first. We have to put an end to this! Fun could be had! A safe hunt could be made more enjoyable!