Yeah a complete game, that would have been a shutout except for one solo homer, thrown by a rookie in his 2nd major league start against one of the best offenses in baseball is certainly nothing to celebrate

ATRDCI:Yeah a complete game, that would have been a shutout except for one solo homer, thrown by a rookie in his 2nd major league start against one of the best offenses in baseball is certainly nothing to celebrate

You're giving us way too much credit there. The Indians offense is good, but put them up against left-handed pitchers - any left-handed pitcher - and they instantly fall apart. We're now 4-16 against lefties this year, it's f*cking embarrassing. We absolutely need to go and find a good right-handed bat before the deadline because we absolutely cannot afford to keep throwing Shelley Duncan out there whenever the opposition puts a southpaw on the mound. I'm glad they didn't make a move for Kevin Youkilis because we really won't have a spot for him once Hafner comes back in a couple weeks, but they've got to make a move soon or the White Sox are absolutely going to run away with the division after the break.

CavalierEternal:ATRDCI: Yeah a complete game, that would have been a shutout except for one solo homer, thrown by a rookie in his 2nd major league start against one of the best offenses in baseball is certainly nothing to celebrate

You're giving us way too much credit there. The Indians offense is good, but put them up against left-handed pitchers - any left-handed pitcher - and they instantly fall apart. We're now 4-16 against lefties this year, it's f*cking embarrassing. We absolutely need to go and find a good right-handed bat before the deadline because we absolutely cannot afford to keep throwing Shelley Duncan out there whenever the opposition puts a southpaw on the mound. I'm glad they didn't make a move for Kevin Youkilis because we really won't have a spot for him once Hafner comes back in a couple weeks, but they've got to make a move soon or the White Sox are absolutely going to run away with the division after the break.

Oops, sorry for some reason I though the complete game was against Texas, which was actually his 1st start. He still did it against a good offense, as opposed to say the Astros, today's boxscore nonwithstanding

ATRDCI:Yeah a complete game, that would have been a shutout except for one solo homer, thrown by a rookie in his 2nd major league start against one of the best offenses in baseball is certainly nothing to celebrate

12349876:ATRDCI: Yeah a complete game, that would have been a shutout except for one solo homer, thrown by a rookie in his 2nd major league start against one of the best offenses in baseball is certainly nothing to celebrate

12349876:ATRDCI: Yeah a complete game, that would have been a shutout except for one solo homer, thrown by a rookie in his 2nd major league start against one of the best offenses in baseball is certainly nothing to celebrate

DeWayne Mann:12349876: ATRDCI: Yeah a complete game, that would have been a shutout except for one solo homer, thrown by a rookie in his 2nd major league start against one of the best offenses in baseball is certainly nothing to celebrate

Are you trying to say the Rockies are a top 16 team now? Good for them!

If you only counts runs scored the Rockies are a top 5 team. But of course their runs against is at the very bottom of the league. The post I was responding to was claiming the Indians are a good OFFENSIVE team, just offense nothing else, so I only responded with OFFENSIVE numbers.

12349876:DeWayne Mann: 12349876: ATRDCI: Yeah a complete game, that would have been a shutout except for one solo homer, thrown by a rookie in his 2nd major league start against one of the best offenses in baseball is certainly nothing to celebrate

Are you trying to say the Rockies are a top 16 team now? Good for them!

If you only counts runs scored the Rockies are a top 5 team. But of course their runs against is at the very bottom of the league. The post I was responding to was claiming the Indians are a good OFFENSIVE team, just offense nothing else, so I only responded with OFFENSIVE numbers.

Considering that the Astros will have nothing to celebrate for the next 5 years AT LEAST, please just allow us to celebrate what we can. Thank you.

--MT

Nah, that team'll be pretty good soon. Luhnow knows what he's doing, and he's hired a lot of good front guys. Mike Fast alone is going to help that team immensely. It might take some time to put a team together, but you've got the right guys to do it.

Considering that the Astros will have nothing to celebrate for the next 5 years AT LEAST, please just allow us to celebrate what we can. Thank you.

--MT

Nah, that team'll be pretty good soon. Luhnow knows what he's doing, and he's hired a lot of good front guys. Mike Fast alone is going to help that team immensely. It might take some time to put a team together, but you've got the right guys to do it.

I hope you're right. They looked pretty good this weekend, but the problem is starting next year. The Rangers look stout, with or without Hamilton, for the foreseeable future. Considering that, and I'm assuming Pujols will be back to haunting the 'Stros again soon, I just don't see the Astros being truly competitive for at least five years. We'll see though. Here's hoping...

matthew_tray:I hope you're right. They looked pretty good this weekend, but the problem is starting next year. The Rangers look stout, with or without Hamilton, for the foreseeable future. Considering that, and I'm assuming Pujols will be back to haunting the 'Stros again soon, I just don't see the Astros being truly competitive for at least five years. We'll see though. Here's hoping...

They've already got the pieces of a decent offense. Wallace has shown some signs of being pretty good (but he's blocked by Lee...not a problem next year), Altuve + Lowrie might be the best offensive MIF in the game (hopefully, Altuve's injury today isn't too bad) and Chris Johnson's pretty much an average hitter (which is about what you'd hope for from a 3B). The OF is a bit tougher to look at, but Maxwell & Martinez should be more than serviceable. So really just holes at C and CF, and you never know with Schafer.

The pitching is a bit tougher, but that's part of the reason I brought up Mike Fast: if anyone's gonna help find undervalued guys, it's him.

I could absolutely see them placing 3rd in next year's AL West. I mean, sure, I can see 5th too. Baseball is crazy. But I wouldn't be shocked by 3.

I don't understand why teams playing the Tribe don't send down the least important player with an option, and call up their best lefty in the minors. All lefties, all the time. 5-6 games would be against left handed pitching and we would be 45-111.

Subtle Like A T-Rex:I don't understand why teams playing the Tribe don't send down the least important player with an option, and call up their best lefty in the minors. All lefties, all the time. 5-6 games would be against left handed pitching and we would be 45-111.

I will dance in the streets the day Shelley Duncan is sent down or waived. Jesus Christ, what a disaster he's been.