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But I think the consensus would have him in the 15-30 range. I do not agree with that because his stuff was underrated by soooo many scouts.

I was super impressed by the arsenal he showed in the big leagues, I think the only person that came close in their evaluation of Harvey was Keith Law because he's the only person that said he has a good change which was true.

Everyone else said that his breaking ball was plus, and his fastball was 92-94 MPH. Turns out his fastball was 94-95 MPH with 3 above average secondaries.(slider, curve, change)

I can't see how Wheeler could come up and be more impressive than Harvey was last season.

I don't see it either, and I find it hard to believe people think he is still better than Harvey. I guess if he's better than Harvey then we're set for the next 10 years. Wheeler would need to show better command and a better change to be better than Harvey, and I just don't think that will happen. That is my opinion though.

I don't see it either, and I find it hard to believe people think he is still better than Harvey. I guess if he's better than Harvey then we're set for the next 10 years. Wheeler would need to show better command and a better change to be better than Harvey, and I just don't think that will happen. That is my opinion though.

Lets hope he is better lol.

DUDA

Originally Posted by VendettaRed07

noah is gonna be a beast man.

with him and harvey, its like were gonna have Goku and Vegetta in the same rotation

I don't see it either, and I find it hard to believe people think he is still better than Harvey. I guess if he's better than Harvey then we're set for the next 10 years. Wheeler would need to show better command and a better change to be better than Harvey, and I just don't think that will happen. That is my opinion though.

Well the velocity should be roughly the same. Maybe Wheeler's secondaries are sharper than Harvey's right now, but I doubt it. Both seem to throw easy heat though which is so nice to have in your rotation. If Wheeler is even close to what Harvey was the last few months, yeah the top of the rotation is amazing with Harvey, Wheeler and Niese.

It runs away from lefties, and against righties he knows how to paint the outside corner on the black.

Yeah it was evident from his first start against Arizona that he has a potentially elite fastball. Those guys had no chance of catching up to that pitch. If he can continue to refine his changeup, Harvey is going to be very good for a long time.

Yeah it was evident from his first start against Arizona that he has a potentially elite fastball. Those guys had no chance of catching up to that pitch. If he can continue to refine his changeup, Harvey is going to be very good for a long time.

Eh, his change-up is fine. He's just needs to continue improving his command and control. If gets that down, you're looking at a legit ace with a plus-plus fastball and 3 swing and miss secondaries.

Eh, his change-up is fine. He's just needs to continue improving his command and control. If gets that down, you're looking at a legit ace with a plus-plus fastball and 3 swing and miss secondaries.

I don't know. I remember a couple of games last year where Harvey was getting hammered because he was using his changeup too much. There is always room for improvement when you're as young as Harvey though.

I don't know. I remember a couple of games last year where Harvey was getting hammered because he was using his changeup too much. There is always room for improvement when you're as young as Harvey though.

He had one bad game with it against the Padres, but Ron was making way too much of it. He got hammered that game with his fastball too. Other than that, the pitch has been fine.

His best secondary is his slider, then his change-up, and his curve is last. He might be better off just scrapping that pitch.