Interesting setup. I wonder if it was testing so ti can be placed like that and not have the top end of the Mac Pro get too much heat. or have the Mac Pros at the top of the rack get too much heat since heat rises. And how does get to the cables in that rack? Does it slide out or is that mockup much tighter than it will be in real life?

Without dual redundant power supplies, lights out management, and fibre channel connectivity its a non-starter. Not to mention the racks are non-standard. I'd hate to see the cost associated with replacing racks currently in existence.

To argue that the new Mac Pro (a desktop) is not really pro because it is not a server is a non sequitur.

I'm not arguing that its not pro because its not a server. The previous generation wasn't a server either. I was just stating that Apple could have targeted both markets with one expandable design but didn't.

For example, if Apple would have designed the new Mac Pro in a way that it could be easily rack mounted and had an option to add dual redundant PSUs along with lights out management (LOM) etc... then it would have broader appeal. This way if you wanted a server you could add the additional PSU, LOM, additional PCIX expansion slots (multiple ethernet cards, 10gbe, fibre channel, raid card etc...) and a rack mount kit.

As for the current design of the Mac Pro, I would argue that its not 'Pro' in that sense that expansion is all external, you loose throughput with Thunderbolt 2 versus a slot straight on the logic board (not to mention the cable clutter) and by going with a smaller footprint versus the previous generation you loose out on the possibility of having more CPU cores, GPUs, storage and RAM which equates to more performance.

OK, but that is just your completely arbitrary definition of what needs to be in the box to make a pro machine. And based, in my opinion (and, presumably, Apple's), on an outdated paradigm. In what sense is the new machine more RAM-limited? It's only storage limited by your narrow definition of storage. How many users ever did core upgrades?

OK, but that is just your completely arbitrary definition of what needs to be in the box to make a pro machine. And based, in my opinion (and, presumably, Apple's), on an outdated paradigm. In what sense is the new machine more RAM-limited? It's only storage limited by your narrow definition of storage. How many users ever did core upgrades?

Swapping out/upgrading GPU's, and expansion slots yes. You couldn't swap out CPU cores before but thats why more space is vital, to put in as many as possible. As far as RAM, the more space you have, the more you can fit in (and yes OS X has a limit of how much it can "see", but thats moot when running multiple OS's in VMs - the more the merrier).

OK, but that is just your completely arbitrary definition of what needs to be in the box to make a pro machine. And based, in my opinion (and, presumably, Apple's), on an outdated paradigm. In what sense is the new machine more RAM-limited? It's only storage limited by your narrow definition of storage. How many users ever did core upgrades?

Swapping out/upgrading GPU's, and expansion slots yes. You couldn't swap out CPU cores before but thats why more space is vital, to put in as many as possible. As far as RAM, the more space you have, the more you can fit in (and yes OS X has a limit of how much it can "see", but thats moot when running multiple OS's in VMs - the more the merrier).

Looks to me that you simply have no concept of what this machine is for or how it will be used, and you are way too slippery for me to be interested in continuing this discussion.

Interesting setup. I wonder if it was testing so ti can be placed like that and not have the top end of the Mac Pro get too much heat. or have the Mac Pros at the top of the rack get too much heat since heat rises. And how does get to the cables in that rack? Does it slide out or is that mockup much tighter than it will be in real life?

Yeah, that setup looked fishy to me. The Pro is made to vent out the top, and lying them sideways will likely cause damage.

Not to mention the cable setup is insane.

The Mini is the only real hope for a server now. And its Haswell version is strangely MIA.

Interesting setup. I wonder if it was testing so ti can be placed like that and not have the top end of the Mac Pro get too much heat. or have the Mac Pros at the top of the rack get too much heat since heat rises. And how does get to the cables in that rack? Does it slide out or is that mockup much tighter than it will be in real life?

Yeah, that setup looked fishy to me. The Pro is made to vent out the top, and lying them sideways will likely cause damage.

Not to mention the cable setup is insane.

The Mini is the only real hope for a server now. And its Haswell version is strangely MIA.

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As for the form factor, the new Mac Pro is an obvious departure from the normal silver machines we have been bumping our chairs into at the side of our feet for over ten years. This sits quietly on the desktop.

Very quiet. It is so quiet that you probably won't even hear the fan if you have a disk drive running nearby or have an air conditioner overhead. The footprint is small so it will fit on most desks, production environments or outside broadcast vans. It's also qualified to run on the side, no doubt rack mounting kits will appear for it soon.

Ships
All is quiet on the water
And the wind across the sand
Whispers through our quarters
That the morning’s close at hand

Our love’s in perfect order
As we fold our sails in sleep
But the moon is falling starboard
And we have promises to keep

chorus:
We rest here while we can
But we hear the ocean calling in our dreams
And we know by the morning
The wind will fill our sails to test the seams
A calm is on the water
And part of us would linger by the shore
For ships are safe in harbor
But that’s not what ships are for

So we head for open water
Set a course for distant land
Out here there are no borders
And the truth is in the chance

We fill our sails with purpose
Find direction in the stars
Pray the dark and deep won’t hurt us
And sail with open arms

chorus:
We rest here while we can
But we hear the ocean calling in our dreams
And we know by the morning
The wind will fill our sails to test the seams
A calm is on the water
And part of us would linger by the shore
For ships are safe in harbor
But that’s not what ships are for

Ships are safe in harbor
But that’s not what ships are forEdited by Dick Applebaum - 12/20/13 at 3:12pm

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As for the form factor, the new Mac Pro is an obvious departure from the normal silver machines we have been bumping our chairs into at the side of our feet for over ten years. This sits quietly on the desktop.

Very quiet. It is so quiet that you probably won't even hear the fan if you have a disk drive running nearby or have an air conditioner overhead. The footprint is small so it will fit on most desks, production environments or outside broadcast vans. It's also qualified to run on the side, no doubt rack mounting kits will appear for it soon.

He says this matter-of-factly, without sourcing. It would be nice to hear Apple say it. I couldn't find anything about this in the manual.

As for the form factor, the new Mac Pro is an obvious departure from the normal silver machines we have been bumping our chairs into at the side of our feet for over ten years. This sits quietly on the desktop.

Very quiet. It is so quiet that you probably won't even hear the fan if you have a disk drive running nearby or have an air conditioner overhead. The footprint is small so it will fit on most desks, production environments or outside broadcast vans. It's also qualified to run on the side, no doubt rack mounting kits will appear for it soon.

He says this matter-of-factly, without sourcing. It would be nice to hear Apple say it. I couldn't find anything about this in the manual.

Nevertheless, if it's rackable on the side, that's a good thing.

As a leading FCPX site, and the fact they got a BTO configuration on day 1 -- makes me believe that they have direct contact with Apple.

"Swift generally gets you to the right way much quicker." - auxio -

"The perfect [birth]day -- A little playtime, a good poop, and a long nap." - Tomato Greeting Cards -

Swapping out/upgrading GPU's, and expansion slots yes. You couldn't swap out CPU cores before but thats why more space is vital, to put in as many as possible. As far as RAM, the more space you have, the more you can fit in (and yes OS X has a limit of how much it can "see", but thats moot when running multiple OS's in VMs - the more the merrier).

Except that that's just not what is done with pro workstations. The only thing that is done is to upgrade RAM, and maybe the startup drive. Workstations are used until they no longer meet the need, then they are sold off, and new ones put in. That's almost always the way it's done. Now, if you're buying a $15,000 workstation ,or a more expensive one, you may upgrade to more processors, etc. but Apple's not playing in that space. They're not competing with boxx's high end models

Wish the demo machines had a better variety. They all seem to be 8-core video beasts.

6-core and 12-core would have been interesting.

Also, it would be nice if some test site would set up a set of files that people could download and test on their own machines for comparison and to organize the results. Real-world stuff like a movie that would have several effects performed on it, a 10-second animation in variety of 3D apps for rendering.

But, it is nice to see that my current iMac (late 2012) is actually pretty good. Of course, several tested apps have not been optimized for the MP yet.

Your = the possessive of you, as in, "Your name is Tom, right?" or "What is your name?"

You're = a contraction of YOU + ARE as in, "You are right" --> "You're right."

I really like how they did incorporate the central radiator core in that image.

Originally Posted byPhilBoogie

Only Apple can notice a detail and design a power cord like this one:

Oh, and on the new, crazy-thin iMac, the cable exits the back of the plug at a slight upward angle (meaning if you hold the plug end vertically, the cable points up a bit)… because when it’s plugged into the iMac, the cable then comes out perfectly horizontally at the standard angle.

Oh, and on the new, crazy-thin iMac, the cable exits the back of the plug at a slight upward angle (meaning if you hold the plug end vertically, the cable points up a bit)… because when it’s plugged into the iMac, the cable then comes out perfectly horizontally at the standard angle.