Juventus Summer Transfer Tracker 2017

June 19, 2017

In an effort to cut back on the incessant transfer news, I’ve created a place to discuss all the potential transfers, in and out this summer. With that in mind, here’s a list of the possible arrivals and departures this summer, graded by likelihood of them occurring.

This post will be pinned so you can come back and use the comments section to discuss all the latest news. If there are more plausible news stories, we will add them separately.

Possible Transfers IN:

Patrik Schick

By all accounts, he is a Juventus player, with only a medical pending. Sky Sport and other news outlets all report that Juventus have exchanged the required paperwork with Sampdoria and that the deal will cost Juventus close to €30.5m. The payment is likely to spread over the course of 3-4 years, hence Juve not paying the release clause in Schick’s contract. The player is currently on international duty with the Czech U21 side at the European Championships so a medical (that was reported to be scheduled last week) will have to wait.

Verdict: Seems likely to happen, given the comments by Marotta, Allegri and Schick’s teammate Milan Skriniar.

UPDATE: 6/7/2017 – With the first part of his medical over, Schick is a Juventus player. The cost is believed to be around €30m, designed to spread the cost over a period of years. Welcome Patrik!

Balde Keita

The winger seems set to leave Lazio this summer as negotiations over a new contract have apparently come to a halt. Lazio Sporting Director Igli Tare confirmed the interest of a number of sides, confirming that the player is going to leave the club, while taking a sideswipe at Juventus: “….Juventus, however, never contacted us officially, but we know they’re talking with his agent.”

Il Messaggero later reported that Beppe Marotta had apologised to Lazio president Claudio Lotitio and further reports stated that Keita had turned down an offer from AC Milan in favour of joining Juventus.

With his contract expiring in 2018, it’s entirely possible that he’ll stay another year and leave as a free agent next summer, although it seems unlikely that Lazio would want that. Marotta has confirmed Juve’s interest in the player, telling Radio Rai: “We’re watching him, I think he’s a good player but for the moment there’s no negotiation. We’re interested, but we’ll evaluate things calmly.”

Verdict: Hard to say – Juve are definitely interested and if the player is truly pushing for Juventus, there’s a good chance of reaching an agreement; The downside is Lazio are reportedly holding out for €25-30m and there’s always the chance Juve wait a year in the hopes of signing him for free.

UPDATE: 6/7/2017 – Nothing yet, but it seems the player is keen to leave this summer which leaves Lazio in the position of cashing in or losing him for nothing in 12 months. There’s also various reports that the player has an agreement with Juventus already….watch this space.

Douglas Costa

Marotta and Allegri have spoken of the Brazilian as a target and, if you believe anything the newspapers have to say, he’s already reached an agreement with Juve over a salary. All that remains is for Juve to agree on a transfer fee with Bayern who value the player at €50m, while the Bianconeri are offering closer to €40m (Sky). Similar reports suggested that Inter came in with a late offer but the player rejected them in favour of Juventus which offers some optimism for a transfer.

Verdict: There’s confirmed interest, talk of an agreement with the player and very good relations with Bayern Munich. This one feels legitimate and could be our first confirmed signing of the summer.

UPDATE: 6/7/2017 -Everything has slowed to a halt on this possible transfer. Costa was supposedly a Juventus player in all but name, however the loss of Dani Alves may have an impact on how Juve approach the mercato and how they use their final non-EU slot.

Federico Bernardeschi

I suspect it might be easier to pilot a bathtub to the moon that it would be for Juve to agree a deal with Fiorentina over a player. Federico Bernardeschi is being ‘monitored’ by the Bianconeri, nonetheless, according to Gazzetta and others. An outlandish rumour suggested that Juve would try and sign him along with Douglas Costa, subject to Juan Cuadrado leaving the club. Given that Cuadrado has just finalised a permanent move to the club, it seems like a reach to suggest he might leave this summer (More on him further down).

Verdict: Very unlikely to happen, given the bad blood between the two sides that stretches back many decades. Regardless of what Juve offer, every report suggests that Fiorentina, if pushed to sell, would rather do so abroad.

UPDATE: 6/7/2017 -Berna has told the club he intends to leave and Juve are reportedly very keen on landing him. Allegri has praised the player and it’s suggested that he’s made him one of the main targets for this summer.Expect developments this coming week.

Steven N’Zonzi

Hardly the most flattering of midfield options, but I’m assured by those that have actually watched the Frenchman last season, that he has a great presence in the centre of the pitch. It’s well reported that N’Zonzi has a €40m release clause in his contract and all the various Italian papers and news channels suggest that Sevilla intend to hold-out for the full amount. Juve have once again confirmed their interest in the player, but seem reluctant to part with such a sizeable amount for a 28-year-old.

Verdict: Based on the latest reports, it seems both sides are at a stalemate for now, which could result in Juve looking elsewhere.

UPDATE: 6/7/2017 – Sevilla stick to their guns and Juve are unprepared to pay the €40m they want for N’Zonzi. Alternatives being sought…

Andres Gomes

Only the Spanish press seem to have run with this, and it seems speculative, at best. The Portuguese midfielder was a target for Juve last summer, however he eventually chose Barcelona and his first season has been average by most accounts.

Verdict: Tenuous links, doesn’t seem to fit the profile and there’s no mention of him in the Italian press.

Blaise Matuidi

The year is 3031, mankind is all but extinct, there’s a mass shortage of food…..and Juventus are tracking Blaise Matuidi. Yes, he’s back this summer. CorSport report that Sevilla’s hardball over N’Zonzi has led Juve to look elsewhere, and that ‘elsewhere’ is Blaise Matuidi; The drunk, one-night stand you return to, time and time again, when you fail to hook up at the club. Jesus wept. Corsport go on to suggest that PSG chairman Nasser Al-Khelaifi would be inclined to sell this time round…..which makes you ask why?

Verdict: If you believe the press, Allegri and Marotta have had a perpetual hard-on for this fella for the best part of two years. Will it happen? If Sevilla stick to their guns and Juve can find no one else, whats to say Matuidi can’t be this summers Hernanes? Lets hope not.

Gianluigi Donnarumma

“It’s clear Juve have the right to study all opportunities, when a player is on the market we have a duty to try to sign him, but not right now.” Those were San Beppe’s words on Donnarumma when asked by the Corriere della Sera over a potential bid for the player. At this stage, it seems a stretch to suggest Juve would go after young Gigio, especially as they they reportedly have Wojciech Szczesny in hand.

Verdict: Seems another likely transfer – With Gigi set to retire after next years World Cup, Juve are keen to secure a replacement ASAP.

Angel Di Maria / Thomas Lemar

A few brief lines linked the pair to Juve but this fizzled out as quickly as Di Maria’s time at Manchester United. Lemar was heralded as a “priority” for Juventus according to Gazzeetta, but with a host of Premier League sides vying for his signature, it seems a stretch.

Verdict: Unlikely to see either at Juve.

Possible Transfers OUT:

Neto

Marotta has confirmed that the Brazilian keeper is looking for a new home, telling Corriere della Sera “To satisfy his requests, he’s on the market.” The reliable Romeo Agresti reported Juve were asking for €10m and Milan were an interested party, along with Premier League side Everton.

Verdict: There seems no doubt the keeper is leaving – the only question that remains is which club he joins.

Dani Alves

A truly bizarre move by all accounts – The story broke, seemingly out of nowhere, and was quickly followed by a slew of newspapers and channels reporting the same thing: Dani Alves had reached an agreement with Manchester City and the club were now negotiating with Juventus for a move. More reports today suggest this might have been in the works for a while, but there seems no rhyme or reason for it.

Verdict: No word from Juve or Alves yet – I suspect we might hear more this week.

UPDATE: 6/7/2017 – He did a runner last week, and i’m glad to be rid of him.

Mario Lemina

The Gabonese midfielder is considered surplus to requirements and has played a bit-part in the last two seasons. It’s almost certain he departs this summer having never fully realised his potential at Juve.

Verdict: Arsenal or Everton…..or possibly a return to France.

Alex Sandro

Perhaps the most unsettling of all rumours is that Alex Sandro is being pursued by Chelsea. Marotta confirmed Juvntus rejected a large bid for the player, howere La Repubblica seem quite insistent that the player has an agreement with Chelsea. Today’s Tuttosport reports that Juve are in the process of renewing his deal to keep him at the club. I sincerely hope they’re on the money, for a change.

Verdict: No idea what to make of this one….perhaps time will tell.

Juan Cuadrado

Despite having recently finalised a move to the club, La Stampa, Gazzetta and others report that Cuadrado is on the market and being sought after by PSG. Again, it’s a story that seems to have come out of nowhere and doesn’t have a great deal of foundation.

Verdict: Implausible…..and yet if he were to leave, Juve could find a worthy replacement this summer.

All 4 players seem likely to head out on loan, although there are suggestions that Orsolini and Bentancur will be assessed by Allegri during the summer, and may yet remain with the club next season. The general impression is that Orsolini, Bentancur and Mandragora will all be sent to other clubs in Serie A to gain valuable experience while Sturaro may find himself at Atalanta where he could easily play regularly in the first team as they begin their Europa adventure.

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This was all a bit rushed so forgive the repetition and cynical take on the transfer market – This post will be stuck to the homepage so we can use this as a default to discuss the summers transfers over the course of the next 3 months. As stories break, and if theres any truth to them, i’ll add them in a separate post so feel free to discuss them there, but for general transfer talk, this will be our go to place.

Feel free to post whatever you like related to the transfer market, but please, lets keep it about the mercato !

Brilliant piece, my friend. If only you found the time to write at length more often, yet someone has to keep the fires burning behind the scenes. A welcome and well produced throughout read.

I shall add some thoughts shortly.

VonKellef

A big thank you for this section.
We all know that whether it is a winter or summer mercato it is a lot of bull shit, but we still get carried away. Hope for our squad to get even stronger, hoping that we keep our strongest players and that we sell of the Amauri players.

Olly023

I think with Dani its probably a case of his mancrush (Pep) started cooing for him to join him for some big money lulza at City.

Olly023

That said, it’s not beyond Dani to utilise another clubs interest to get himself a better deal. He did it constantly at Barca.

Well said mate -I see Chelsea are linked with him now as well…..How are you feeling about his departure Olly ?

Olly023

I was hesitant when we got him, he’s done everything in his power to prove any distrust I had in him once the season ended. A talented winger who can’t defend, has one of the biggest egos in football and besides the Monaco games has ultimately stole a wage.
I’d said initially that I wouldn’t be happy if he unsettled Lichty who rightfully deserves his spot in the LE6END celebration. Dani came to make history alright, bank off the misters and the squads talents, flatter to deceive and cause more unrest in one season amongst our players than the fucking relegation!! Should we face him next season in UCL, I hope Leo breaks his legs…

Bravo sir ! I admire the fire….and i’m inclined to agree with most of it. You make a really good point, he was never going to last at Juve – He can;t tow the line and he wasn;t a good inluence either. Good riddance

MediaAnalyst

I thought I was the only one left who could hold a grudge against Dani for displacing Steph. Dani contributed a lot later in the season, but apparently not loyalty to the cause.

10 months at best amico – What a waste ! we may not have gotten to the final without him, but we could have signed a young RB and had him play with Stephan last season – would have been better in hindsight.

Mikkel Andersen

Just get Costa and either Thomas Lemar or Bernadeschi. Keep our best players and sell one or two fringe players.

The Bonucci question was more easily answered, for despite no doubt the double or triple your income offers, he has Juve in his blood now. Yet with Sandro, the case may prove different. I hope not. Yet we must understand that to earn 10m a year instead of 5m is a huge increase. England is an extremely vibrant culture, always in the thick of the action of western social development and movement in any direction. And the premier league is not just the richest but the world’s most popular football product.

What I see with Conte though, if the rumours are true, and I believe they make sense, is a desire to create the strongest team in the world. He wants world class talent not just in the starting XI but on the bench ready to slot in seamlessly. This costs huge money, hence why he left Juve and ended up at Chelsea. Now he has the financial clout and CL football to attract top talent. Still, London’s worsening ailments likely devalues it allure and then there is something more important to ponder. Players like Alonso and Matic, who were both pivotal elements of their success this last season are already being ear-marked as players to challenge or even replace in the starting line-up. This is not a good strategy for attracting players who seek security and longevity and from an economic perspective, what happens when a player is on 10m a year and they sign another for his role for 50m on 15m a year? Many players will simply dig in their heels and take the money. Their wage demands will price them out of all but a small crowd of super rich clubs. And not all of them will be competing at the top level, I assume.

This is a negative of the buying success routine. The hunger to become ever more stronger has to be balanced with players eager to buy into the cause with their hearts and minds, not just their need for money. I believe we have the balance correct. There is nothing we can do with players who are offered mega wages elsewhere and wish to go, I would rather they left, as would the club. We already have in our ranks probably 3 or 4 players who could earn hugely larger wages elsewhere. So why do they stay? Loyalty? Happiness? Settled in Italy? Respect from a very well run club able to challenge for top honours year in, year out?

Club ethos is important. It is more important to me than signing the world’s strongest players at any cost. I would rather see a Lichsteiner in his prime as our RB than an Alves in his prime, precisely because Alves plays for himself, he exudes immense arrogance, and like a child constantly seeks attention. He lacks the class, the calibre, of the kind of players I have become accustomed to seeing in black and white through the ages. Players who comport themselves with humility and dignity. Of course we have had the odd few who bend away from these ideals, but not many.

Onto the superb outline provided by the Chief above…

I will stick to what has been my mantra for a while now. We need mainly to strengthen on the flanks. Especially in the two attacking positions. Whilst Mandzukic has fared well enough, he cannot dribble, is not adept at taking a player on and has far from lightning pace. He is a CF, not particularly mobile, playing as a LW. Cuadrado…well, as some will know, I am no major fan. I like him, his pace is useful, but his mentality is weak. Essentially, with Pjaca sidelines for many moons to come, even regardless of this, I feel we need a top drawer player on each flank. It is of less importance to me for them to have any defensive zeal. Part of the reason why they need to track back is due to the absence of any defensive zeal in front of the defence…

We have never replaced Pirlo, nor Vidal to be fair. I have come to believe that Sami is actually holding us back. Add this to our move to play Pjanic deeper and absent of the protection he has been afforded elsewhere from muscle and hustle nearby, has contributed to a very unbalanced side. We have found success more because we are stronger than most other sides we play more than finding a consistent semblance of form. Yes we did markedly improve with the change in formation, but the players out of position always seemed a makeshift system. As was proved when we played against Real with pretty much our ideal starting XI.

I assume we will need 5 midfielders for the 2 spots in the middle, perhaps even 6, to allow us to move to a 3 man midfield, reprise the 3-5-2 on occasions, or even try other combinations, depending on who we sign. Despite the high quality of Pjanic, and sometimes powerful forward support of Sami, it is only Il Principino who has anywhere close to world class value. This is mainly mental; his reading and understanding of the game is second to none. It is very rare indeed to see him make any mistakes, for he is careful and of decent technique. I do not think he has fully regained match sharpness, but I will not yet suggest he is certainly on the downward spiral. We might well see the best of him if he has a solid pre-season and avoids any niggling injuries.

After those three, it would be interesting to see one of Mandragora or Bentancur stay, both of whom are natural DM/CM players. Rincon could well be retained as he at least offers security, though little else. And then we need to sign an established player for the central area, ideally one comfortable in front of the defence, able to dictate the tempo and offer steady presence. This is why we are interested in Nzonzi, and sometimes, it is a no frills player who allows the stars higher up the field to shine at their brightest. 40m seems a bit steep, yet I doubt we will end up with any experience and proven value in such a player unless we fork out at least 30m.

The goalkeeper situation is of less interest. The kid would be welcome, but he would not be bedding in for a Buffon-esque period, as his agent is Raiola. I would be fine with the Pole.

It appears that De Sciglio or another fullback will be brought in, as Alves is set to leave and hopefully not Lichsteiner in turn. Yet we do have Lirola in the wings, and Mattiello might well head out this season and impress.

We are keeping our cards close to our chest. Waiting on offers, and preparing to act if any unforeseen moves transpire, both in and out of the club.

The success of the last three campaigns gives me confidence that we will remain near the top, continue to strengthen and hopefully move towards a more settled first XI with every player supremely comfortable in their role.

MediaAnalyst

Wow. That was long,

Mixalis Neskis

Do we have even the slightest clue how high our transfer budget is? I mean, ok I get that we do not want to pay ridiculous amounts on players, but trying to bargain the last euro out of every transfer, will not do us any good neither as buying nor as selling club. I say, if you think the player is what you need and you have the money, just pay the amount/clause and have the team ready as soon as possible with the best players you can afford. As history showed , Fax Machines tend to brake down the closer we get to the end of the transfer window.
As of the ones who want / need / have to go, if the offer is right, sell and be done with it, there are thousands of players out there who may as well be more suited to play for the club. Take Sandro for example, what I read, is that Chelsea is offerin , depending on the media between 60M€ and 60M GBP!For that kind of money, we can find a LB and a LW, younger, faster, more hungry…so sell him and get on with your life.
PS: We men sometimes are worse with the football players we like than our women. It is not personal guys, it is just bussines…..
PS2:Costa – Berardi – Mendy – N’Zonzi – Lirola in , Cuadrado – Sandro – Lemina – sturaro – Benatia – Khedira out.
PS3: If we end up with a +60M after the above, give them to PSG along with Pjanic to get Verrati.

I thinl our budget will be high enough to sign the key players we need, with Alves off the books and Lemina and perhaps Cuadrado too – thats a lot of money saved.

Jas

I don’t know if I’d waste the money on Schezney, why not just use Leali as a backup and save $10-$15 million Euros? With all the activity happening I’m curios what will come off the primavera. Clemenza, Kean, Kastanos are all ready for serie A.

We won’t spend that much on a backup GK, mate…arsenal know he has other offers, they want the highest price which is not from us. I assume we will pay no more than pretty much what we get for neto, maybe a touch more. We do need a much stronger option than leali…too much at risk of buffon gets injured.

VonKellef

What about bringing in Donnaruma? If Cristiano is going to United for cash + De Gea. That means Real doesn’t need him anymore and we can go in and snatch him.

i think Beppe said they would evaluate it – if he goes to Real, fair enough, if not…..we stand a chance

VonKellef

He would be a really good replacement for Gigi. I would love to say that it is also someone that we could be keeping in our squad for years to come. But who would I be kidding?

Gerald Quinn

Schezney is MIND BOGGOLING!!! lord knows what Beppe and Allegri have been snorting latley to even consider this deal! Meret, Gigi D, Perin, Leali There are so many promising keepers to choose from than to go with a sub par Arsenal reject who only had one good season with Roma

Perin has suffered two horrific ligament injuries in the last 2-3 years and presently couldn’t save a pea-roller from 20 yards unless it was hit straight at him…Donnarumma was not even possible until of late, and we will pay over the odds for a keeper with zero chance of bedding in long term due to his agent. Leali could not even make it as first choice in Greece. Meret has nowhere near the experience of Schezney. Who was good enough to earn a starting spot at the team who finished 3rd then 2nd in Serie A the last two seasons…That is how the club would be looking at the situation, i.e. logically.

Gerald Quinn

But we don’t need a starting keeper now, we still have Buffon, Hell I’m happy with Audero, when he played for us the few times he did, he did very well. There is just no need for Schezney; sure Meret, Leali and Audero dont have the experience yet, but when better to get it than with the superb BBC in front of them and Buffon in the bench? The blade needs fire to become a sword, Loans on another league aren’t accurate,it’s not ceteris paribus when gauging talent, just look at Lloris Karius, look what going from Germany to England did to him, he went from being the third best German keeper in front of even Leno by German Press, to a forgotten remnant now.

Joe Ventus

Agree with everything you said. In addition, buying Schezney would weaken a direct competitor.

He is scum. Hasn’t even the decency to expect a fee…Cunning disrespectful swine. He knows we will view such behaviour as even more reason to get rid of him. We release on a free only those of long service of players with no value. He is neither. I’d rather see him lynched by the drughi…

can;t wait to see him go – Listened to someone praise his professionalism etc etc. the guy has disrespected us plenty and was never fit for juve – A Cassano type. CAn;t be part of the greater good

VonKellef

I remember when he first joined Juventus. He was acting like Mr. Hollywood. Diving and bitching on the field. Later on I really thought that Allegri had straightened him out. I was like. Wow, I haven’t seen him this good in ages. And now he pulls a stunt like this. I guess Brazilians will be Brazilians.

VonKellef

Just read a rumor about Barcelona considering Pjanic as their Plan B if they can’t land Veratti.

Same thoughts here, Chief. I remember watching one of the CL previews which focused on Ronaldo and Pjanic. The Portuguese goon king came across as a perfectionist whose world was all about Ronaldo, his records, his perfection, his hunger, his technique whereas Pjanic came across as humble, of a steel will and respectful of his background and current circumstances. I am sure that many would swap them in a heartbeat but I prefer the Mandzukics and Pjanics of this ever more dishonourable world. They play with their hearts and minds and place loyalty and playing the game in the proper way high up on the agenda.

VonKellef

I can’t stop wondering about why we sold Kingsley Coman if we now are on the market for a winger? Was there any problem between him and the mister, or someone else in the club?

Yulio Difelani, R.

He wanted to leave. The same reason behind Vidal’s departure.

Olly023

Coman was/is a young impetuous scamp.. Vidal was a snake: I’ve said before elsewhere – in Turin he became a King, but will only ever return a pauper – the timing of his departure and the verbal the bastard has given since touching down in Munich is beyond contemptible. If he truly wanted a UCL win, then he should have fought to win the final he was in rather than do his best to get carded. He showed his true colours.. they were all shades of yellow.

Gerald Quinn

I Will Cry if we let Alex Sandro join chelsea!! Especially for 60M!!!!

If Liverpool, City and Chelsea where considering VVD for 70m, a player still largely unproven, i am baffled how the best Left back in the world right next to Marcelo can leave for 60M,
Napoli want 67M for Zilensky (unproven player, has not shown his worth, had an ok season)
Napoli want 60M+ for Koulibaly ( a great defender but not on Alex Sandro’s level)
Lazio want 40M/50M+ for Keita Balde (largley unproven)
Salah was valued at 50M+ (great player but not a stand out of Alex Sandro’s Caliber)
Lazio want to sell Serg Savic for 70M+ (greatly unproven, a very promising player …but no way that price is reasonable)

and we are over here saying 60M is ok for one of the best players in the world in his current position????? 100M would bearly be fair compensation for Alex Sandro, ESPECIALLY the way every team out there wants to take advantage of these English Clubs who continue to buy players for 3 times what they are worth

He’s a left back. FYI the most expensive player in that position is …. guess who ? Luke fuckin Shaw. 60/70M will be a very good price.

Gerald Quinn

It is without merit, The whiny diva and sub par Manager living on past glory playing ancient irrelevant style of futbol that is the prick Mourinho doesn’t even rate Luke Shaw that high, how is he worth 70M? to what standards? he is also largely unproven and on a good form bad form roller coaster.

shit team – shit manager – shit valuation that is as deranged as the fans and club of ManUtd

Yulio Difelani, R.

Lmao calm down a lil bit dude. I didn’t say Luke Shaw worth 70M. What I say is, if we get 70M for Alex Sandro, that would be a pretty good amount.

(fun fact : Luke Shaw was bought long before Mourinho came in)

Gerald Quinn

ha ha i just really hate both ManU and Mourinho, so yea i will bag on them any chance i get.

Spend a little time finding the right CM – N’zonzi isn’t worth 40m in any universe

Orsolini/Mandragora on loan – Bentancur possibly as well

Mixalis Neskis

The Pole – 17
Darmia/De Sciglio – 20
Keita – 35
DC – 45
DM ~ 40
Is about 157 M if we are lucky and the teams do not try to play our game when it comes to sell. From the Lemina- Cuadrado – Sturaro – Neto sale I expect something like ~70M , which is more than ok if you consider the impact they had in our season, I doubt though we are going to put another 80 to 90 M from our own pocket on this Mercato, would be great, but I cannot see it happening……

Gerald Quinn

Well at least 40M will come from our pocket (what we spent for D.Costa), I suspect the similar to happen with Bernardeschi. Because only then we will sell Cuadrado
D.Costa + Bernardeschi – Cuadrado ~ 40M + 40M/45M – 30M ~~ 50M/55M net spending from our own pockets

Then the Dani Alves replacement NEEDS to come from our pocket since the little asshole will be free. so add 20M to 40M there for a descent replacement.

So in total about 70M to 90M will come out of our own pockets, and considering we made about that much from our CL run alone it is completely plausible. Sure we cant compete with the English clubs spending 150M to 250M every season, but we aren’t in financial ruin either, and if we want to stay a top club we need to at least spend 70M-100M every window like Bayern and PSG It is THE ONLY WAY to stay on top.
AND THIS is of course assuming Alex Sandro doesn’t betray us and leave for Chelsea.

The De Sciglio price could be halved by giving them Neto. And I do not believe we need any DC. We are fine there, unless Bonucci leaves. Other than which I would add in Costa for 40m.

As for our revenue, I believe it is around 300m. Not short of a penny or three…

We won’t pay 17 for the Pole nor 35 for Keita. Too much gold. Szczesny appears very keen to join us, so we can find a halfway between Arsenal’s valuation and our own, or look elsewhere. Keita will be available for free next Summer so at most 20-25m this Summer.

I would expected us to put in 50m on top of revenue from sales…as you say not double that.

JuveMarchisio

YES YES please KEITA

B1anconer0

Would be awesome and indeed sandro shouldn’t be sold. Not even for 60mil.

Would it be possible if juve buy keita, Costa and bernardeschi? Would really like to see berna in juve too though

If we get Fabinho we cannot get Costa nor any other non-EU players from outside of Italy. We have 2 per season, to be brought in from outside Italy. We already have Bentancur, which leaves just the one spot.

I am interested in how and why you value Meret. He looks no better than Leali looked in Serie B and has zero experience above that level. Donnarumma is a decent keeper, hardly yet anywhere near Buffon’s level, from what I have seen, yet shows great potential. However, he comes with Raiola, which means we would have him for a year or two before the next move comes in, and I feel the club wish to have a keeper bed in and then ease into Buffon’s place and make the position his own for a lengthy future, far longer than any chance Donnarumma will stay. Raiola makes much more money from transfers than from new contracts for a player already at a club.

The Pole seems a decent option, by what I have seen and the factual progress he has made at a high level. Just depends on the money, yet of all the keepers you mentioned, and bearing in mind the situation with Raiola, he is the best option of the lot. We cannot afford a player with barely any experience at a high level to come in if Buffon gets injured and to rely on him.

I haven’t seen enough of Keita to judge him as confidently as I feel about Bernardeschi or Costa.

Gerald Quinn

” However, he comes with Raiola, which means we would have him for a year or two before the next move comes in ”

That is just it, My problem with buying The Pole, is just that as well! The Pole was never a stellar keeper buy any means and he just comes off of 1 good season with Roma; he is already 28 how much before his form starts dipping? i give it a year. I much rather have a young Keeper with the devil as an agent and be able to Sell that keeper for a hefty sum, and make millions in the process. Rather than buying an old average keeper and having him leave for pennys or a free in a year or two. I dont think even you believe The Pole is our Buffon Successor, The pole is just here like Neto (meanwhile we find Juve’s Successor) maybe a year or two. I for one prefer to receive a hefty couple of million than nothing in 1 to 2 years.

There is not a buffon V2. Pole man has been even on buffon’s words one of the best in the league. Keepers generally do no peek until 30+. Did you know buffon was close to 40!.

I truly do not want the club to have any dealings whatsoever with the most poison agent in the world game. Once Kean has Gone, I assume and suspect the club will avoid any further dealings with raiola.the manner in whc h he got hold of Kean is regrettable, yet we must deal with it, then be rid of that fiend, who represents an element of the modern game sucking the soul out of once something beautiful and more pure…

People need to get their heads away from this idea of Buffon V2 appearing, of us signing the world’s best to replace him. I do not believe this is going to happen. There is too much pressure for a youngster coming in with that expectation, let alone hope, placed on his shoulders. This is why I believe the club are looking for a solid, highly experienced international standard keeper. Hence the Pole.

Yes of course I would like to see Donnarumma signed, but not with Raiola attached. Every single Summer and Winter there will be attempted deals, hugely unsettling for the kid as well as the club as a whole. We can do without this.

Also, I do not rate Donnarumma more highly than Szczęsny…Not yet. His age and experience and quality is there to see, yet he is not yet anywhere near as accomplished as many others much older.

Goalkeepers peek generally 28-33ish so I am unsure as to how you you are concluding that Szczęsny is certainly due to decay shortly?

BelgianJuventino

PDC’s contract expired, he is not a Juventus player anymore. If Lichtsteiner leaves, it will probably be by release.

You want to buy Donnarumma and Meret, plus give Audero and Leali a chance, how is it possible to have 5 keepers and play them all? None of them is likely to play for as long as Buffon remains, which is at least one more season.

Buying both Fabinho and Costa is impossible due to non-EU players restrictions.

This list is so riddled with errors and “flavor of the month” players, I don’t really think you spared a thought for things as integrating in the team, learning the culture, language difficulties, player personalities, transfer fees, salaries…

Gerald Quinn

obviously we wouldent have 5 keepers, its an “If then else” thing.
Buy Meret – IF NOT – then just Give Audero the chance – IF NOT- then Give Leali a chance – IF NOT – then Buy Gigi.D at all cost – AND IF THAT WONT DO then get Perin.

Not sure if you missed it from before…but poor perrin, who a year ago would have been my choice to replace buffon, remains crippled. That’s two acl injuries in two years. Same knee I believe. Zero chance we would sign a still mangled player, yet to return to first team training as a second keeper for a squad aiming for domestic and European glory. It would make zero sense…other than on fifa perhaps.

BelgianJuventino

For as much as I don’t like Szczesny either, he is better than any of the ones mentioned to be trusted to play for us. Meret and Audero too young, I think Leali won’t make the cut at all, Donnarumma is talented, but still a rookie and Perin is mangled by injuries, there is no telling how it will further influence his career.

I don’t want Szczesny either, but at the moment, he might be a good option. Until we find someone we can realistically sign and groom to be Buffons heir

BelgianJuventino

Agree for the majority mate! Keeping our own stars is equally as important as getting new talent, if not even more important.

I hope for Bernardeschi though, he’s all I can wish for, he’s young, talented as fuck, Italian, the right attitude and is familiar with the league.

Guys whats with the FiFa investigation into the Pogba sale? What did we supposedly do wrong?….did we?

Jas

They’re probably just investing Riaola, the guys a compete p.o.s, a lescher of the worst kind. How he made $20 million from pogba is beyond comprehension. Not like he ever put in marginal effort that Juve did in to this kid yet he made 20%?

BelgianJuventino

Not so much the sale of Pogba is in question, but how Raiola made so much profit out of the deal for himself is in question. Who paid him that money? What is it for? No agent earns that much from any deal, but he did. That is what they want to know.

Dar Black

Third party ownership is also a question to be answered. Did The Devil ™ part own Pogba rights? It would account for the payment. Maybe he was acting as an agent for a third party, so he took payment from Juve for them too (plus a 2nd agents fee in there somewhere too?). It would explain it. Can’t think of any other reason he would get such a huge cut otherwise.

Gerald Quinn

Just asking because i keep reading, that we will get disciplinary action, Not Riola or Pogba or Utd.

Welcome news. Great talent. Part of me hope Czech progress deep into the U21 EUROs for his experience and exposure, yet it would great to get him in pre-season well rested.

JuveMarchisio

I hope he stays with us and will not be loaned out, what about betancour , champion in Argentina will he stay? Hope Juve team gives some youngster a chance to sparkle, Schick, betancour, (Keita/Berna ?? ?) and please RUGANI give him more minutes – The Alves story is I think something Juve did not expected and is a big red marker throught their initial plans, to find a new RB will be the main target now, I guess (wingers and CM’s were good to reach the CL final and win the scudetto) a Punte was missing so that they managed know with Shick, so I guess
Priority 1 -> RB
Priority 2 -> if neto leaves, a backup GK
Priority 3 -> a lightening fast winger
Priority 4 -> a beast in the midfield

VonKellef

Anyone has a clue what’s going on with the tractors, Moise Keans father and the club?

Storm

Wondering about that as well. Don’t hope that such a thing will put the relationship at risk

Dar Black

They may be in the production schedule, but as Mr Moise Snr is not paying for them then Fiat(?) are probably in no rush to build them.

Vin

Is it the curse of the champions league final? Why is it that after we make it so far, and come so close to glory, that becomes the end. A total rebuild was needed after the last one, now why does that need to happen again? Dani Alves, Alex Sandro, Bonucci, Cuadrado, and someone else each day, rumored to be leaving. Can we please just hold on to our players. It’s bull shit that the $ of the premier league and bigger clubs is all that’s needed to tear down the empire we’re building. In the blink of an eye, everything surrounding Juve went from good (buying Costa, buying Bernardeschi, coming close to finding a CDM, considering a bid for Mendy) to bad (loseing all these players). I feel good about keeping Bonucci, Cuadrado, and most others linked with an exit, but hopefully Alex Sandro can forget the money, and realize that Juve will be much more successful than Chelsea.

Anyways, a new RB is fine by me. Darmian, Danilo, Cancelo – all more quality than Dani. And hopefully once the transfer window is officially open, we can turn things around, and prove to the world that we are going to fight for, and win, the Champions League.

Xx RForcE xX

i would be pretty happy to sell useless cuadrado, there are reports that Ac milan offered 25 m for him but we didnt accept, if they come back with bigger offer, then sell him straight away.

Vin

“Useless”? Would you have rather watched Lemina on the right side all season? Cuadrado may not be the greatest, but he definitely contributes and is the best we have for that position. And holding on to him will give us much needed depth and we won’t have to look to spend an additional €40m for another winger on top of Bernardeschi or Costa.

Xx RForcE xX

yes useless.first of all, lemina is no winger, second, cuadrado is nowhere near juve level.squad player at best.

19 year old attacking midfielder Grigoris Kastanos is heading to Zulte Waregem on loan, where he will find Luca Marrone I believe and also former Juve pal Yoan Severin. Kastanos is a full international and played a few games in Serie A on loan at Pescara last season.

21 year old RB Federico Mattiello will sign this week on loan for top flight newcomers SPAL.

Cagliari are seeking Mandragora and Romagna, also pushing hard for Orsolini. Whilst Grosso’s Bari are also interested in Romagna, Tello and of course Kean. Speaking of young Bioty…

His father has been banging on about tractors for his farm in Ivory Coast. Also explaining that Raiola is not Kean’s agent, at least not officially, for until he is 18 his father has to sign on off any contracts which he is happy to do with the 700k per annum 3 year deal, as long as he gets the agricultural equipment he was apparently promised. Not sure if there is any truth to his words, other than the threat of the club losing the kid. He also mentioned that he stepped in to stop Raiola moving Kean to England, which the club alerted him to. All of which sounds muddled. For why would he need to step in he was in charge of his son’s affairs?

Unfortunately none of this is surprising. And if you feel its a bother already, it is only going to get worse. The slim hope is that his Raiola has not yet got his hooks so deeply into the youngster that he refuses to obey or listen to his own father…who does not want the human boar agent involved in any capacity. The reality is that if he does not sign a contract before he is 18, he will then be able to fly away for $0. Or perhaps some nominal development fee, similar to what happened with Pogba.

Plenty more news of the youngsters, which i will deliver in snippets before a final overview later in the mercato.

Dar Black

The Devil ™ has his claws into him GP, and he ain’t gonna let go easily. Loyalty to him vs his dad? I would not bet against that rat poisoning the lad’s mind against his family.

BelgianJuventino

I hope to watch a bit from Kastanos.. Some material that would see him back at Juve fast eh!

BelgianJuventino

We have plenty of ball boys mate, why add an expensive one? 😉

VonKellef

I like Balotelli. Always have. Born with a great gift that is probably never going to be set to good use. I think something is bothering the lad. Probably has to do with him being adopted or something. Not that I don’t think that the people who raised him doesn’t love him. But the fact that his birth parent came back when he became rich is disgusting and is maybe a small or big part of the problem.

Sebastián Quiceno

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3 years after and I find myself repeating the same arguments I stated the first time I entered this site, the same analysis I made since the 2 leg 0-4 defeat against Heynckes´s Bayern Munich in the Conte era. And still zero improvement on this front which is the most important.

I won´t make this long because to me the main reason of our failure though structural is absolutely straightforward.

Juve play the most Italian of styles (Have the best world defense with a roman like phalanx of warriors, have the most powerful midfield, and have clinical firepower forward to score at least 1 goal more than the competition and do it from a few chances). And have all squad players be blood thirsty gladiators who play not for money but for their lives.

For this we need a phalanx of warriors and soldiers like you see in the movie 300 all thinking like one acting as one, instead we have a circus with all kinds of animals from all kinds of origins who have no clue how to play as one unit.

Still Juve pretend to employ this approach with foreigners who have no clue what the Italian spirit, style and strategy are all about.

It´s like going to the battle of the termopilae with an army of Samurai´s, barbarians, amazonic native warriors, aztech eagle warriors, and all kinds of mythical soldiers from all corners of the world who no matter how good they are at their craft they are unsutable to fight as a unit, ergo…. FAILURE!

Until we get truly Italian born or Italian converted players who truly want to learn the italian way and employ it with pride as if they were Italian born we will always fail with these mercenaries who wan´t to change our core style (and play just for money). For example just listen to Dani Alves words criticising Juve for not going all out attack like we are some sort of iatlian version of a Spanish or German or English team, he just doesn´t get it what being Italian or playing in Italy entails and requires. The dude is clueless no matter how much quality he has.

Sad thing is all them foreigners are clueless. They are not Juve worthy.

If it were up to me fire them all strangers who have no clue about Italy or Juventus.

– Is Alves on his way out? Cool
– Sandro Out? Cool
– Argentinias out? Cool
– Cuadrado out? Cool
I am 100% fine with all this foreigner mercenaries leaving, Whoever is not italian or doesn´t become one is not worthy of wearing our coat of arms and our black and white striped maglia.

3 years on and still zero improvement on this front. This is underwhelming. Fire em all who don´t belong here.

I don´t pretend to be a genius here or get praise, I am hurt from our utter failure. I don´t want to be a hero or commended for my views, I just want to see the real Juve that we are meant to be, the real Juve that we can be. The one we saw a few weeks back is a fake Juventus, a parody of what it should be.

I apologize if this doesn´t come out very polished but to me it is the raw truth.

I am startin to thik we will only win when we have an all Italian player Juventus. I dare say we will win when both gli azurri and Juve are the one and exact same team, heck even hire the same coach for both, Who I would appoint?… Lippi, and if too old maybe Di Francesco, Ancelotti or whoever the best italian coach is.

Dar Black

So Mario M doesn’t possess that spirit you talk of? He does, in bucket loads. Last time I heard he was Croatian. How is that all the other big clubs who can and do beat us are able to field teams full of players ‘foreign’ to the clubs nationality, and yet we can’t make that work? What is special about Juve’s situation that means we can’t have non-Italians?

Sebastián Quiceno

Well you can count MM as good one here, alongside Gigi and a very very few others, what about the rest? They all must be up to standard otherwise it´s a two legged stool.

As is never in question, Seb, I admire your zeal, for regardless of my complete opposition to much of what you wrote, I am pleased to come across any other who brims with passion, lunatic zeal. I can relate on that score. For you express yourself, as I often do elsewhere (for my passions are rarely immense when it comes to football, always there, but not with the same capacity as matters far closer to my heart)…in a way which reads like a man turning himself inside out and revealing all with a rabid war cry.

I have long considered that people generally fall into two categories, when it comes to feelings; those who suffer from a deficit and those who suffer from a surplus. I will always rather find myself in the latter, for feelings are Everything. I am never as interested in what someone is thinking as I am in how and what they are feeling…

I will however add that my favourite footballer of all time is probably not a juventino, or italian, though I have immense reverence for Baresi, Maldini, many of that marvelous AC side of the 90s, and of course The Divine Ponytail and Ferrara, even chubby Peruzzi. Ravanelli was another. Yet the player who has brought me the most pleasure and excitement is none other than King Eric! Now there was a player who captivated a nation, and the fact that it was not his nation speaks volumes of the impact he had on the game…

Proud as I am of the steady path through our history of focusing in italian talent, I am not in any way bothered or concerned by the stranieri. Zidane, Vierchowod, Jugovic, Sousa, Trezeguet, Nedved, Thuram…all have as strong a place in the juve part of my heart as any other. They brought something different bought into the club ethos, some for longer than others…Even Boksic, that fleet footed human hamster brought me such joy!

A italian core is splendid, and we do try to get the very best within our means and of what is available. Yet the strainieri have always been part of our DNA, and always will be. We are fortunate to have the means and allure to bring the best of Italy to the club, but there are plenty of italians who fall under the mercenary label in the modern game.

It is a different realm now. Money used to talk just as loudly, we just had more gold than most other clubs…

Sebastián Quiceno

I am not saying all strangers are banned from Juve, just bring the ones that truly fit, for instance Dani Alves just doesn´t, why criticise Juve for not going all out attack as if we were R. Madrid? no one can deny he criticised the Juve style and approach. If he fails playing Italian football it is not because he doesn´t have the quality, he was just never open to it. If players come with a closed mind an uncompatible mentality and trying to play a different game, trying to change Juve rather than try to adapt themselves the hit the door ASAP for the good of both Juve and themselves.

My thoughts on the final are in line with Allegri’s explanation. He basically explained that Pjanic and Mandzukic both had buggered knees, he had hoped they would get through it, we could weather the surge which would come after RM played somewhat carefully in the first half. It didn’t work out.

He could have brought on Asamoah and moved Sandro to LM and Marchisio for Pjanic. However, he wanted to wait, to leave on the stronger players and gamble somewhat.

The more instructive take from his words, is that he felt it was better to play two players carrying injuries, than bring on the subs at HT. Essentially we lacked the quality, talent, technique which he wished and hoped would revive and continue. This is where squad depth plays its part.

SO on one hand, Max gambled, on the other, he made a calculated decision in consideration of how removing Mario and Miralem could lessen our chances of winning the match. We had no like for like replacements. Marchiso perhaps could have made a different if brought on at the start of the 2nd half, but we need a pure, beastly DM, capable of standing firm, like a warrior.

With the LM and one of the 2 CMs basically dying out there, we appeared to have huge gaps, cones as you say…

Look a the difference in the quality available for the first XI and the bench, for both sides. There is one obvious issues – RM have more quality in depth. They were also able to manage Ronaldo and others in the lead-up, again, partly due to the strength in depth.

As long as we keep strengthening, I am content and encouraged.

Sebastián Quiceno

Hi poet Thanks for not answering with hostility towards my views.

I understand what you are saying about squad depth and injuries (nevermind our average player age) It all makes sense and I understand that is what Max had in mind and what he acted on.

Also it may seem easy for me to question his approach with the benefit of hindsight and from the comfort of my couch.

Still I would like to quote I think is very true which says “everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face” referring to boxing. I think it stands true and is what happened that day, the sad thing is players never recovered.

To me the 0-1 can be counted on Max, but the 1-2, 1-3, 1-4 is entirely on the players, and whatever the hell happened on that dressing room.

Like I said it seems as if they had gone 1-1 into the dressing rooms only to be told, you can´t win, obviously with some sort of threat attached to it. Many may call it conspiracy.theory. But like an Italian commentator says the good think about thinking foul is most often you end up being right.

I just don´t buy they came to the 2nd halfa and just stood there out of sheer tiredness, they were not even trying, you can tell when a player can´t run for his life because his body is depleted, and when they just don´t even try.

Besides how come Juve:
– Finished the league nearly 2 games to go
– Had at least one more day to rest
– Didn´t have a grueling semi final beating Monaco without playing extra time.Real had it tougher vs Ateltico (though they were crap)
– We h

Although usual logic and the narrative UEFA that wants to sell of an almighty Real with enviable depth (I don´t buy it either, to a little degree it is true but they overblow it) would point to Juve not being able to run for their lives out of tiredness I DON´T BUY IT at least as main reason, maybe it is true Madrid had betetr energy levels but NEVER enough to beat us 1-4. That part was all our own doing.

I challenge anyone here to watch the 2nd half again and counter me or try and convince me our players tried, as soon as Real scored the 2nd they were already on the plane home, they let the hands down, they didn´t even try, and it was not out of tiredness you stop playing out of it by minute 35 forward not before, but they did, so shame on them.

and a side note: Dybala´s game was his worst showing of all campaign he could not even control the ball all game long, like he had soap on his boots or something. But that is just a small detail.

Not much time to respond at length, my friend, but…Earlier in the season, with the same players all fit, perhaps even fitter, we endured several games when after a goal was conceded the whole side became a shambles, we were hanging on, stuck in our own half and simply giving the ball back to the encouraged opponents repeatedly. It seemed like mass hysteria, some kind of meltdown, or plain fear and lack of leadership. Invariably this happened after we suddenly looked like possibly losing the game, and it happened against far weaker sides than real Madrid.

It was not just the formation, which wasn’t helping at the time, mainly due to the midfield, it was far more the mentality of the players a fragile collective self confidence which once pushed, got scared, went into itself and I cringed to see us suffering. The Genoa game was a good example, where we were outplayed, out muscled, out fought by a team far inferior in terms of technique, but there were several others where we looked horrible. As if our confidence was made of glass…

I had seen our form drop – to some degree – in the weeks leading up the final. We were not in great form by any measure.

So for me, I had seen us become lame when suddenly looking like losing a game several times earlier this season. It is a lack of leaders on the field. Add in the poor showing by Sami, injuries to Pjanic and Mandzukic, and ponder RM as probably the strongest side on the planet…zero consideration in my mind of any changing room bother or anything else bizarre. Plain and simple by my reckoning.

Sebastián Quiceno

And to make myself clear, WE DON´T NEED THE MOST EXPENSIVE OR MOST QUALITY PLAYERS.. WE NEED A TRUE A ITALIAN PHALANX OF WARRIORS THIRSTY FOR GLORY AND WHO PLAY FOR THEIR LIVES, even if they are not regarded as “the best” remember all those foreigner football pundits are as clueless about the Italian way as any native of some God forsaken Island. Forget Messi Ronaldo and the rest, they are all clueless money crazed mercenaries. Look at all those Tax issues for some cue of the whole matter.

I think they are a credible source, I often look at their site. No clickbait titles, no jumping to premature conclusions and every now and then, a worthwhile piece written by guests/readers

Storm

Glad to hear that as I too use the page. My concerns resolve around the facts that they often brings news which are later published here as well. At the moment they have had some concerning news about our transfers, at least from my point of view.

They are more an aggregator of news, both rumours and otherwise, less than a steadfast source for solely factual news regarding any team, especially the big ones. They often quote the tabloids…

VonKellef

Someone mentioned that Matuidi could become our new Hernanes. It was maybe a joke then, but now it seems that it is becoming more likely. Read some reports claiming we offered PSG 15M but they turned us down. Honestly, I’d rather play with Rincon than bring in what I call desperation.

Vin

True. I’d take him for free. Not worth it otherwise.

VonKellef

A totally agree. I have a feeling that he will be our big midfield signing. Thus Raiola getting even more control over our club and we ending up with a half decent player which we payed around 20m for.

ho Hi

Fact is: juve is a selling club,besides its includes italian players. They stay cause of patriotism.
Sandro will leaves us. Next summer its Dybala.
We are top 6 in Europe but have to suck the “big” club dicks…..cool,very cool.
Otherwise just give him as much salary as possible.

Juventino Persa

A sad story, but as things are now, for sure Dybala will leave Juve as well, just wait when Barça come knocking…

That policy of “anybody who wishes to leave we won’t stop him” is a confirmation of a our status as a selling club, and a public show of weakness!

ho Hi

A damn sad fact!

Xx RForcE xX

With Marotta as our CEO it will never change.He is great in getting free agents, but cant sell for fuck Vidal 38m for best BTB midfielder back then? Llorente for free? and the guy basicly knocked us out of CL, Alves, Coman( i know we made 28m from his sale but look at Schick – 30m after one good season, Coman’s 1st season at Bayern was perfect, so 28m for very young ,fast & talented winger is shit these days plus dont forget we paid 24m for unknown Pjaca)Giovinco for free, Caceres left for 0€, Vucinic sold for 6m, Marotta simply has the habit of low level club , when some offer will knock on his doors he will open them with open arms.Fuck this policy.If you want to sell, then sell fucking big.Chelsea want Sandro?ok, send Matic, Willian and 40m so we can get Mendy at least, otherwise fuck off.Barca want Dybala? ok, put 200m on table and we can talk.Some one gotta explain him that if he wants to sell, he gotta sell big.50 -60 m for Sandro is nothing for club like Chelsea.

Marotta has the habit of assisting a fallen giant return to domestic dominance and win 6 league titles on the trot, 3 italian cups and reach two champions league finals. Losing firstly to one of the strongest teams of history then to one of the most expensively assembled and well paid teams in history after two of our key players were injured before the break.

Our finances are in superb, ever blossoming shape, we have an ever stronger squad, year upon year, we are ultra competitive at every imaginable level, have our own stadium which is flourishing, a superbly assembled array of young talent of various ages and nationalities and we are very much regarded once again as one of the elite clubs on the planet.

I am exceptionally pleased with Beppe and his sidekick Fabio Paratici, Agnelli, Allegri and the club as a whole.

VonKellef

But you can’t deny the fact that Marotta isn’t very good at getting paid when it’s time to sell.

I am not saying that he hasn’t gotten us a bunch of great player striking some awesome deals. The most brilliant one maybe was Barzagli for peanuts. It’s just, he ain’t no Moggi when it comes to selling. And that guy used to work as a railway station caretaker or something before he joined Juventus.

Mixalis Neskis

How so?Pogba alone can prove you wrong but, if the Sandro deal comes to a closure, those willbe 2 sales which wrote history. Plus, you have to keep in mind, real life is no Football Manager. A club’s evaluation for their players means zero if the right circumstances are not present. Let me give you an example: We are interested in Bernadeschi, who is evaluated at 40M from Fiorentina. Now lets say, we buy danilo for rb and are not able to buy a non EU winger from outside. What do you think will happen to Bernadeschi’s price, given that he will be the only alternative alive?
Lets take an different scenario. Della Vale wants to sell the club , finds a potential buyer but he has until the end of the month to present a good balance for the club. What will happen to his price?
See if anything, we do not get all the information from all the parties involved for every transfer. I am happy with Marotta, he could be a little bit bolder with his purchases but you cannot have everything in this life, plus , alone the fact that he was the only one who trusted Allegri to take over from Conte when everyone else were cursing and throwing eggs, it says enough about his ability to find talent, be it players or staff (Ribalta was signed from ManUnited as a means to get smarter on the mercato.).

Xx RForcE xX

in Sandro’s case, we dont need to sell, so if Chelsea want him, they have to overpay like fuck.MUTD paid 40m for injurie king Luke Shaw for example.

Mixalis Neskis

What do you mean, we do not need to sell?It is not like our existence depends on that, but lets face it, it is ridiculous money for a defender.Period. If they indeed pay the money mentioned all over the place, we talk about netting a 2x profit on the amount spend to take him from Porto. A player who was a back up for Evra the fist year and the second year was a decent one, without any extreme performance or contribution (3 goals and 7 assists in 43 games, whereas Spinazzola has 0 and 5 respectively but plays for a much weaker side and played in total 13 games less.). So why say no?Especially if he wants to play there, you will miss a good chance to make a considerable profit and you will have a Latin player who does not want to play for the club(those do no end up well.).

Xx RForcE xX

how do you know he wants to play there? from english rumours? lol how can you compare him with spinazolla?leo is nowhere near sandro my friend.it is like you compare cuadrado with alexis.”without any extreme performances”?!?you joking ? he was one of our best players this season.
When you talk about netting 2x, that is what im talking about, top club dont sell their best players god damn.we have no need to sell him.You want to win CL with spinazolla and asamoah as out LB? good joke.

I agree that Sandro was one of our best and most consistent players last season. He will be the world’s greatest LB or close to it for many years to come. However, if we offer him a pay rise, to let us say 7m, even 5m, Chelsea can double this, so can City, Man U, Arsenal, BM, RM, perhaps Atletico. And if the player is offered 10m a year he will likely be interested. SO he tells us he is interested, and we say ‘NO’.

Or we say, OK, but we want the right price. CHelsea offer us 60m, and we say fine, done.

Sandro considers the huge pay rise, which to match is impossible, he also considers living in London, one of the most glorious places to live in the world if you have mega money, and to try a new league, new culture.

Why would we want to change his mind? I suspect if he is keen on moving, ALlegri has told him he wants him to stay. Nothing more, nothing less. Yet to start blocking moves, could lead to other players hesitating over joining us.

To double the money we paid for Sandro, if he wants to go, is fine by me. The reality is money talks the loudest, and we cannot compete with the clubs I mentioned above, if they really want a player. Simply put, they can always pay more. Which is fine…

To put it country simple, the domestic TV rights we get as champions is loosely in line with what the 16th or 17th ranked side in the PL receives. Thankfully we do well in the CL and are stock is slowly rising for advertisers/sponsors…but ponder this for a moment. We get TV money in line with SToke City!

We remain a top club with or without Sandro and ALves and Pogba…

Xx RForcE xX

money talk the most of course but no one will pay Sandro 10m mate, chelsea’s offer is 6-7m but before tax, while our offer is 5m after tax.
If he wants to leave i hope beppe will do everything he can to keep him in turin, otherwise he can go.
Living in London? well, let me remind you fucking english weather. 300 days rainy shit.You can buy what ever you want but weather lol

I lived in England for many years, most my life really, and not one year was there 300 days of rain! Even when i was up North in Manchester.

As for the alleged wages offered…I never believe them, until the club makes things official. My point was and remains, Chelsea can comfortably outspend us with ease.

Xx RForcE xX

ok but over 200 no doubt, english weather sucks no doubt, too cloudy . i got your point.

VonKellef

First off the Pogba deal with the whole mess with Pizza Mino was not handled in a good way in my opinion. He put what, around 20m £ in his pocket. Which we paid for. If it was taken from Ed Woodward, I wouldn’t mind. Also the fee was like 87-90 m £. Which also was too low. I would have sold for at least 100. Sure you could argue that we got him for free (not considering the fee we had to pay because he was a youth player in United). But his market value was very high at the time and it sky rocketed from the minute he landed in Manchester. Mr Chow him self came and delivered Chinese food to his door step, he got his own emojis, he is a big name for Adidas, he got a big french rap group called MHD recognition and he sells a lot of jerseys among other things. The guy is young and the next big thing.

About the whole the right circumstances most be ideal for a potential big cash move, I am with you regarding our club. We have to accept the fact that we are a selling club. We are no Real Madrid with Florentino Perez that has stated that Real Madrid do not sell. Even if the player wants to leave. We decide when and if the player will leave. Which we cannot do. Its honorable that we had gentlemen agreements with the likes of Pirlo and Tevez. They helped us a lot and we showed our gratitude by letting them move on for free. You could also argue that it is better to let a player go when he wants to, rather than keeping an unhappy player in the squad. Again, the case for us and not for a team like Real Madrid. Don’t get me wrong. I love our team. I think we have come a long long way since this project was launched with the new stadium, Conte and all. The thing is, we have now reached a level where we are among the biggest clubs in the world. Where I say we rightfully belong. It is therefore crucial that we keep our best players, the likes of for example Dybala, Alex Sandro and Bonucci. Off load players like Lemina and strengthen where it is necessary. Like bringing in a defensive midfielder, if we are going to stick with the 4-2-3-1 formation. If not, then we have to go after other potential signings. My point is. We have to get better at selling in order to raise money for potential big signings, because that is the only thing we need. Big boys coming in, we need quality and quantity at the same time, which the final in the CL showed. You saw Real Madrid, they fielded a strong first eleven, but the lads sitting on the bench could come in and play just as good as the ones already fielded. That we could not do.

Sorry if the post was way to long and went too much off topic. But it is always nice to share thoughts about the club we all love so much. CL will always be a dream for me. The more rational side of me will be focused on winning the league every year, with the Copa Italia. Sure we have reached two finals in a short period of time, but we wore never close to lift that trophy. Just as Roma never was close on winning the Scudetto.

Xx RForcE xX

yes yes, all true, of course he brought some fantastic players for piece of bread -Pirlo, Pogba, Barzaglie, Bonu, Vidal, Coman, Khedira, Tevez,all great deals. But look at Bayern, they want 50m for Costa, is he worth it? of course not, but i think they will get the sum.Was Benatia worth 18m? NO and then Higuain, holy shit 90m gone.Massively overpaid transfer.
We have our stadium and it is fantastic, but it was planned long before Marotta joined Juve.
Another thing i forgot, if you want to have wc players like Dybala, Sandro you gotta pay them like that.Sandro is second best LW, so he deserves to be paid like that.How much is he getting right now?2,5m a year? lol.
Another thing, i dont know who is responsible for sponsor deals but when you look at them, they doesnt look like we are top club.Average deals.I dont get it.
Dont get me wrong mate, I like Marotta, he s done some great great things, but sometimes he needs to show some balls.

I would agree, with Von K below in turn, that we do seem to let some players go below market value, but we let others go, very much in line with market value, such as Pogba. What I will add is that we have a policy of treating players respectfully, not using them as mere assets, and if a player says he wants to go to Club X, we do not stand in his way when Club Y is offering more. Yes the extra money could help, and there is a case to be made for lacking cut throat business mentality on the sales front in a cut throat industry, but I am happy with the way we treat players, in fact I can only suggest the manner in which we sent Lichsteiner to the bench last Summer as the one time in recent memory when we did not do right by a player, to my mind and heart.

I can of course see your point, mate, I just feel added pride to find Juve behaving a little more decently, than other top clubs. Perhaps somewhat to our detriment financially, but I’d rather this than players hesitating to join us as they know it might be hard to leave for a club they want in the future because we seek to squeeze out every possible penny when they wish to leave.

Pros and Cons and I feel we are very much on the right track.

Dybala

All good points.

ho Hi

Moggi was great

Xx RForcE xX

partly

Cory

Our main objective should be keeping Sandro, secondly, signing Bernadeschi and thirdly, signing another RB/DM. we can not make it a habit of selling our best players year in and year out. Unless that individual knocks on my door and says he is unhappy and wants to leave. Chelsea is offering 60 or 70 mil for Sandro, tell them they can have him for 20 if they add Hazard and Matic. Make it difficult!! When Barca come knocking for Dybala in a year or 2 years ask for 200 million. We are on the cusp of being a juggernaut of a team we need tinkering not overhaul year after year!! so stressful =(

Jas

Man you guys are blowing this way out of proportion.. the only player that left was Dani alves and he has another season at best. Even if they sell Sandro I’m very confident an adequate replacement will be brought in. No one has been sold yet, wow you guys jump ship soon. Beppe has exceeded expectations folks and will continue to do so, if they send Sandro packing I’m sure we will be fine. Pogba left and we reinforced and made the CL final and this whole nonsense about Italian only players is so stupid.

Cory

Obviously we are speaking in speculative terms at the moment. And Beppe has done a fantastic job. But you cant expect to strike gold every time. I am definitely not jumping ship just voicing a concern for the trend that maybe taking shape. And speaking about just Italian players it makes sense to sign the best, they are more likely to stay to bring glory to their home country in Europe, example being Bonnuci turning down England and Gigi staying after the demotion. Their famiies wouldnt have to travel too far or uproot to stay in their lives, take less time to settle into the club and learn the culture of the city etc.

B1anconer0

Oh lord, juve’s new away kit looks ugly as hell! Really, the People that came up with this design and colour should be fired.

Dar Black

I hate the J logo.

B1anconer0

The J logo looks quite nice on the new home kit though. The away kit just looks really awful

Dybala

Agreed.

Sebastián Quiceno

All kits look ugly on a hanger, but they look way better when worn, just look at the mannequin looks way better. What I don´t like though is Italy´s flag placed above the adidas in the home kit. It seems they did not know where else to put it. but just stacked on top of the adidas logo.

When they stack truckloads of logos on top of each other like that it looks like a NASCAR pilot´s suit which makes it ugly as hell. Maybe racers get away with it but in fottball it looks outright ugly.

Its is simple just leave the Italian flag where our UCL badge would be, in the center of the chest. above the Jeep logo.

But NO! designers wanted to use buttons on the neck and they would not get rid of them because therein lies their “genius”. So what about the Italian flag? oh well just place it anywhere, after watching our genius buttoned neck noone will notice it.

Besides we are Lucky Juve lost the UCL otherwise we would have had to stick that one somewhere else too, maybe above the J logo. Worry not noone else would notice either. and one last thing one more thing. Don´t you guys want or need to place some other sponsor´s logo? Sure we can make it fit.

“What I don´t like at all is Italy´s flag placed above the adidas in the home kit. It seems they did not know where else to put it. but just stacked on top of the adidas logo.”

Agreed, they need to merge the Coppa and Scudetto emblems. It looks too busy on the shirt. Just keep the crest in the Italian colours in the middle.

Dybala

I love it actually.

BelgianJuventino

I actually like it!

VonKellef

Me too. So far I like both the new home and away shirt. Will the third kit be the green one?

BelgianJuventino

Not sure mate, I guess either the green kit or last seasons away kit

VonKellef

Seems more and more likely that it will be a military green third kit with a black and white stripe on the chest.
It will most likely be announced on the official site by the end of this month.

BelgianJuventino

Yes I saw it too by now (kind of late, sorry mate)
Not really a fan of it. But for a third kit, nothing too bad

Sebastián Quiceno

Maybe it is so like Daniel explains that it was just not possible to win and we should see the silverlining and be thankful for the management and squad we have. I would be the first to feel that way if players and coach had been up to the ocassion but they were not. So that´s that.

Ultimately what is done is done. I was actually planning on not commenting anything at all and moving on since ultimately management, and ultimately coach and players do what they want and there´s nothing you can do as a fan about it. All we say here are just words, and all you get is hatespeech from people who just won´t get it or even consider your views, but rather be judged as stupid like this dude Jas just did. like anyone put them on that position, Lol get real!

So, whatever let em losers keep losing, as for me I will keep supporting Juve on my own, in my own way.

I am here just to share my views, Although i have learnt a lot from many of you I don´t need validation on my thoughts or my way of following Juve, specially from people who don´t get it, or are not open to dialogue.

Many here are just too compalcent. So, whatever just keep on losing if that is what you like, Lucky you it is what those “top”, expensive foreign players are giving you.

Seb, my friend, worry less, kindly keep posting and try to remember – as difficult as it can be for those of us of a sensitive nature – that others express distaste in a way which is often not meant to cause insult. Its the variety of contrasting opinions AND characters which makes this place so special.

I see a lot of my own nature in you, yet I am older, more jaded and have come to avoid pouncing on what sometimes feels a personal attack, to step away, then return, and try use my mind rather than my immense emotive core to react and respond. As much as is possible, I count many on here as the finest juve fans I have come across either on or off the screen. All that matters to me is that fans shown some passion, and hopefully calmness – when possible – as we interact. Also, that the essence of their support is the same as mine, as in we want what is best for the club we love deep in our hearts.

Whilst I am beyond losing control in virtual ink when it comes to Juve, I often do so when it comes to global affairs! I guess I have more perspective than I used to have. I would hope so, given my lofty age!

Dar Black

Question: Is this mercato going well, or even going to plan? I know most of the big clubs have not moved on many players yet, everything seems a bit cagey with more clubs seemingly able to hold onto their best players without crazy money offers being put forward. But something has changed now, perhaps an indication of our status or the way other clubs now view us – as they seem unwilling to give us the good deals we have recently been able to strike, perhaps knowing we have a lot more gold than we used to….

But for the last few years we did most of our business early, and would have been mostly done by now perhaps. Yet here we are first week in July with only the boy from Sampdoria to show. The rest of our transfer plan this summer does seem to me a bit of a mess I am sad to say. We don’t really seem to know what we want fully, or within a position even who we want! We seem to be running a scattergun approach, going from player to player and ending up with blanks.

And then there is the bigger picture, as questions from the UCL final still dominate the mind. Were we just unlucky, or did Real really find us out? Is this team great enough to run through to the final again with just a few non-world class additions like most of the players we are looking at buying, or did we get lucky last season and need to spend big on big match winner’s, the likes of which Madrid have with plenty to spare? Did the final prove what many suspect and have said in that Gonzo is not a big match player, or that we have no players who give us that magic in times of REAL need as Ronaldo does so often (excuse the unfortunate pun…).

Will any of the players touted above give us the magic we need to go and jump that one final hurdle next season that we so badly want? Answers?

All seems fine to me, mate. I am less surprised than some to find players we might be interested in, snapped up or soon to be snapped up with mega money, which we could probably afford, but it then sets the standard for the rest of the squad and upsets our pay structure. We are well off, and making more each year, and I presume the squad will be strengthened which is all I can ask and hope for.

I would be happy to see Orsolini kept on, Bernardeschi come in, with Danilo and a defensive minded CM. With Cuadrado sold, as that is the only way the would work, since both Orsolini and Bernardeschi operate at their best on the right. Probably won’t happen, yet the youngster seems superb, already much more potent than Juan. And as for the Florence lad…he could prove a true star signing to add to the ranks.

Schick has real quality, so we have a superb vice Higuain. I do not like Mandzukic on the wing. He works so hard, hold up play is superb, but he cannot dribble and has no pace, which unbalances the side. I do not see other top clubs show horning players into a role outside of their natural game. Pjaca will return however, but not until Christmas or thereabouts. So perhaps Keita will come in…

As for the DM – for me, its probably the most important signing we will make. We have no natural DM. Sami and Miralem are both offensive minded by their very nature and playing with two of them at CM in a 2, is a risky game when faced with a top drawer midfield.

I do feel we need to be focusing on players with leadership qualities and exceptional mental fortitude. With a hint of nastiness in their game. Of all our midfielders, only Sturaro has any major snarl, and he barely plays and will likely be sold or loaned out. We are crying out for a linchpin in front of the defence, whose bread and butter is screening the defence, winning the ball and able to dictate the tempo…Yet back to this idea of leadership and mental strength. As I mentioned further down in response to Seb, there were plenty of times in the season when we either switched off or worse still, found ourselves resorting to time wasting and kicking the ball back to the opponents over and over again, when we looked like drawing a game, or even losing. This is a collective issue and needs to be addressed, mainly through recruitment.

It probably isnt a case of hunger, though at times we have looked less hungry than our opponents. I am more bothered by the tendency we have shown on occasion to cower. Its the first season when I have actually cringed when watching us look like the weaker side against teams on paper we should be dominating and destroying.

We need more quality on the flanks and a strong DM. Other than which I suppose the Alves replacement in Danilo is interesting. And then there is Sandro. Who I hope will stay. We will offer him around 5.5m inclusive of bonuses. Less than he will earn at Chelsea. Yet still a fine rise for what was a very solid campaign.

Plenty of players we are linked with are probably just rumours of no solid root. As we are yet to make any major moves I am fine with what seems the most realistic targets, Danilo, Bernadeschi and a DM. Perhaps Keita.

Such a shame we missed out on Witsel for whilst not flash, nor particularly fast, he is a very physical presence with good feet and a quick mind. The job is an often less lauded routine but it is so damn important to allow the offensive talent to shine without worry of back tracking. We have our forwards back tracking too much, let alone our wingers. And whilst we can marvel at Mandzukic’s tackles, I don’t want to see him or Higuain anywhere near our own box. I didn’t see Ronaldo helping out his defence in the final…

I think had we avoided any knocks to key players the final would have been different. Which goes back to squad depth, for in such an important game, if we could have brought on strong, reliable replacements for Pjanic and Mandzukic, it could have been different. We really only had Marchisio to come on, which would have lessened our creative zeal, and I suppose Asamoah could have come on at LB pushing Sandro higher. Max didnt think this was the best move. Claudio is not yet back to his best, maybe he never will be. I would prefer to think with a solid pre-season he will come out the blocks a storm, seeking to balance the scales for the time he has missed.

We need to remedy the midfield. That was the cause of our issues last season. We changed formation making the side top heavy in attack, yet then needed the attacking quarter to defend, which on occasion, left us with Higuain against 3/4 players.

Dar Black

Agreed GP, Witsel is the one who got away I regret most too. He would have made us complete in a way we never were for the most part last season.

BelgianJuventino

We are being linked to Bale now, so I guess the media is wondering the same thing and getting desperate for something to happen

ML

The media has nothing to do over the summer. So what do they do? They make up stuff to keep the readers reading. Most of it’s noise.

Jas

Just seen that we sold Donis to Stuttgart for 4 million, this is honestly way too low he has allot of potential. Younes marzouk was also sold for 400k…. the kid scored 12 goals in 15 games for the Swiss second league. Not sure why we sold so cheap.

Plenty of movement in the youth sector mate, I’ll make an overview in the near future.

Think we got good money for donis. Signed for 100k, sold for 4m. He has hardly set the world alight.

Swiss league two is probably not far off amateur in Italy! Wishing the marzouk good luck.

Storm

Read somewhere about Bale, any thoughts on the idea whether plausible or not?

Mixalis Neskis

Too expensive. I would love to see him in out colours, but the wages are not payable.

Dar Black

300k a week. Never going to happen…. Great player though. Never really gets a chance to be his best though at RM. Always has to be playing up to Ron.

BelgianJuventino

I don’t believe a word of it, seems like the most stupid rumour I read so far this summer. Just my two cents though, maybe Marotta is actually trying to pull it off

Jas

I want Danilo and Federico, the rest will fall in place.

E.Micallef

How are you guys. Still confused after the hammering. We have a new start ahead of us. My opinion we will change but not a lot.

I would take Bernardesci and Douglas Costa. De Sciglio will be fine with Allegri. If we lose Sandro we have a problem on that flank. For midfield role we need to buy something fresh and new. Experience we have we need talent and flair.

Hope you all have a great summer/winter. Love you all.

VonKellef

The same goes for you mate. Hope you are doing well? Where do you live? Do you have winter or summer right now?

In Sweden it is our summer period. Which consists of a 90 day period where it mostly rains. In total we maybe have 10-14 days of good weather in a whole year.

E.Micallef

From Malta my friend here we have 300 days a year of sunshine.

And we have the biggest club outside Italy in the whole universe (which means world) but that is more bombastic 🙂 Juventus club I mean.

VonKellef

How is life in Malta?

E.Micallef

Pretty decent we are just a small island sea all around. We have a very hot summer a mild winter. We are just 400 000 on the island. Just I mean we are overpopulated right now. The island is like 25km by 15. Nightlife you have we go out practically everyday. As for nature we do miss it. Apart from the sea we have none. That’s why when I take a holiday abroad I look for mountains and nature.

Everyone search for what he Does not have apparently 🙂

If we take dernardeschi Douglas and de Sciglio and keep Sandro we’re are done for next season. We can register bentacour and sell rincorn and lemina. Keep sturaro.

VonKellef

Couldn’t agree more mate. The grass always seems to be greener on the other side. If you ever feel like you miss out on shitty weather, come live in Sweden for a year =D

I suspect that both on our part and on the clubs holding the registration of the players we are chasing, we are waiting mainly on departures, before any moves become official. If I let myself be ultra positive…

Bernardeschi comes in an hugely improves the RW.45m DONE Pricy, but we have the money, he is italian, extremely hard working, talented and knows the league (and Buffon). Can also deputise for Dybala.

Keita…tricky, strong, huge potential and with a year left on his contract could come for as little as between 15 and 25m. Huge upgrade offensively on the left over Mandzukic.

De Sciglio…knows the league, still a good age, experienced and has shown in the past he has quality.

DM – Yet again the biggest question. I want someone with primarily physical presence and a sound defensive reading of the game. Midfield was our most glaring imbalance last year, this MUST be remedied.

Schick – seems a done deal, and superb vice Higuain.

The Pole – will surprise a few people. Is far removed from the gungho Arsenal lad and in his own words, he was in a rut, not maturing, developing, challenging himself, and still feels he can improve.

Like the positive vibes. Would love those signings to become reality and for 50m and the fact that Costa is Brazilian. I would rather have Bernardeschi in our squad. Younger, cheaper, seems like less of a gamble.

As for the DM position. The one player that comes to mind that I think with fit really good into the team is Nemanja Matic. Chelski looks like they are going to sign Bakayoko, but I think Mourinho will snatch him. If we don’t snatch him right now. Which will surely be tricky. They want Sandro, United can surely offer him a higher salary, and maybe he holds PL higher than Serie A. Other than him I can’t see anyone fitting our team. Matuidi I would only sign for free, not paying him more than 2.5m a year, and not as a starter. But as a rotating player. Is there any chance Allegri can prepare Rincon, Sturaro or some youth player to take the role as a DM? I mean realistically, not wish thinking.

I don’t think max trusts either of them to prove more valuable than Sami and miralem. Yet defensively both are superior. Instead we play with two offensively minded midfielders at CM. It’s different with marchiso, yet still I’d like a specliaist, a modern day Vieira or Keane.

Each year we strengthen one position superbly. Might be the flanks this summer and we wait for DM in 2018. Slightly annoying as for me it’s an essential role in a side with so much attacking talent, and absent of a proper DM our offensive players, all of them, end up defending leaving low numbers in the final third.

Bentancur might be registered elsewhere which seems weird given his talent and that we need a DM. I’d hoped he or mandragora would remain as an apprentice. Rolando is heading off…on loan. I will hope Rodrigo remains. He seems classy.

Pjanic is lame in the tackle, marchisio more intelligent yet hardly a major physical presence. Assuredly there are many others around…Yes Matic would be welcome. Though I’ll hope beppe and Fabio have a surprise in the shadows!

Gerald Quinn

You think we will sell Cuadrado? wouldent we need to sign two Wingers for that to happen? I feel like signing Bernardeschi and Selling Cuadrado will be a grave mistake. we need two wingers for the 4-2-3-1. I wouldn’t mind seeing Cuadrado leave but then we would need a Costa-Bernardeschi, or Keita – Bernardechi incoming. Last i read though both Costa and Keita where a wet dream for us.

VonKellef

Marchisio is the hero we need yet not deserve. He works in the quiet and puts in solid performances. Rarely making any mistakes, but has unfortunately been injured a lot lately. Let’s say he would be injury free. Do you think Allegri would field him alongside Pjanic in the starting eleven?

You mention Bentancur. Had forgotten all about the lad, and there you have a DM in the team. If we are bringing in a winger or two, a goalie to replace Neto, and maybe De Sciglio or Darmian. That means we are more or less set, apart from the DM position, why not field Bentancur then and let him grow with the task. I share your concern we are left to exposed in the back when we attack. We are in desperate need of someone cleaning up in front of that classy defense.

In the end I don’t think Allegri will let him start. I don’t know if it is the fear of losing or what it might be, but he has shown that he isn’t the kinda mister that likes to gamble by fielding talents/young lads. Nothing lasts forever, and maybe this is the season when Allegri starts gambling.

To be fair to Allegri he has brought through Dybala superbly, and he was planning on gradually bringing Pjaca into the first XI, until that horrid ACL injury. Might never revive his explosive acceleration. We can but hope…

Marchisio was fielded with both Khedira and Pjanic on occasion, and my suspicion is that Max believes we get more from those two with the Italian the next in line.

He is the only chap in the squad capable of providing serious value from a defensive position in midfield and I hope if we do not manage to sign someone better, that he is given a starting role, with Bentancur his understudy. Ideally we need someone more specialised in the role…Claudio is very intelligent, not sure how his legs are these days, in terms of pace and throwing himself into tackles. We could do with someone stronger.

VonKellef

I find my self remembering the old days when King Arturo was attacking the games like a warrior. More then one time being injured and still playing. He would run up and down the field. An excellent box to box midfielder. I know many people here dose not want a box to box midfielder. But lets say we find one. Would it work or is the only fitting jigsaw a DM?

The dynamic was markedly different in those days, my friend…Much of the system is weighted towards the wingers, Dybala and even Higuain coming deep quite regularly to help out. I believe this needs to be changed, and the most simple way to change it and allow the attacking talents to shine is to bring in a powerful DM. A pivot.

They are few and far between in the modern game, yet still used often in England. Chelsea had Matic and Kante, both deep CMs. SPurs had Wanyama and Dembele, both beastly chaps. I see problems continuing with the side until we have strength all the way through the middle, which we do not have when Sami and Miralem both start. Both prefer going forward than siting back and screening the defence.

VonKellef

I share your fear for this midfield. Higuain bagged a lot of goals throughout the season. Yet he could do far better if he had the right midfielders and wingers around him. When watching the games I find him very isolated for most of the games. As you say he has to get down to the midfield to start the attacks, get out on the flanks etc. This should not be the case, and is another indicator that all is not well in our midfield. I mean for example, against Barcelona. Dybala was doing an amazing defensive job. Which should not be the case. I truly hope we sign a warrior to take that DM position. If it is Matuidi, then I hope it’s not for any big bucks. Because I fear, as you put it. It could very well end up in a new Hernanes saga.

I have not seen Emre Can play more then a couple of minutes here and tjere, and can therefore not rate him as a player. Let’s say Marotta and the boys persuade him to join us for around 30m. Would he be worth it, and can he fill that DM position?

I have seen most PL games of the last few years, so have seen Can. Considering his age, 23, he is an interesting prospect, already of solid experience at a high level. Recognition for the top international side is coming on nicely and whilst he has rarely seemed remarkable, he has never seemed poor.

He can tackle, pass, shows good movement, discipline and mentality. I have no idea how much he would cost or if they would sell or if he wishes to leave however. For he is well placed to remain part of Klopp’s plans as they continue to develop and improve.

If signed, I doubt he would prove an abject failure. Though perhaps not a major success. For there is much to work on of his game. Which is raw, rugged, eager, determined and capable, yet beyond this…perhaps we won’t see unless he is placed in a stronger side.

I’d find it the Right position, the right type of player and a intelligent signing. Yet price and viability remains complete unknowns.

VonKellef

See this is something I appreciate, honesty. You did not speak of Emre Can after watching him on Youtube, playing with him on FIFA or reading about him on goal.com
You have actually seen him play and can therefore give your honest opinion about the guy.

It seems more and more likely that we will end up with Matuidi at the DM spot. I would reckon we would pay PSG around 15M. The only thing that is missing, and that always seems to be missing is Pizza Minos cut.

About Douglas Costa almost being a done deal. I am always skeptical of Brazilians joining our team. Sure everyone could agree on the FACT that Alex Sandro is doing far better than just well, but do they honestly know what it means to wear the black and white jersey? Do they honor the history and are they aware of what needs to be done to push forward? I am not naive. I wont go around thinking that every player we sign has to share the same mentality and heart as Buffon, Del Piero, Marchisio, Nedved etc etc. But as you put out in your very interesting text about Pizza Mino and the growing power of super agents. Add that and the players only thinking about the dollar and dimes. Will players like Douglas Costa kiss the Juve logo, tattoo something in Italian on his forehead and speak of how easy it was to sign for Juventus and we will talk about how big of a signing he was?
Don’t get me wrong I am excited about this signing, I am impressed by Marottas work, signing big names. I am just worried that it will be a Pogba-ish ending. Maybe I shouldn’t be worried, maybe this is the new normality and I should just accept it?

VonKellef

So United signed Lukaku, and Chelski seems to be pissed about it as he was the one who was gonna replace Diego Costa.
Therefore I don’t think they are in the mood of letting Nemanja Matic leave for United. Partly because of that and the other part being they are a title contender and rival.

My question is: could we exploit the situation, sign Matic as our DM and still keep Sandro?

Doesn’t seem to be materializing though, we’ve yet to sel any of the fringe players everyone keeps talking about. Not sure why we’re still holding Lemina, rincon and Sturaro on the books. If mandragora goes on loan then I’d want to keep Sturaro if not I don’t think we need him, I want to see Rolando flourish and the only way that happens is if he gets ample playing time.

E.Micallef

Very good indeed. Costa Berna Matudi Bentacour and Schick. We are far better than last year regarding options. 3 are confirmed. Costa Berna Dybala Higuain Manzu Cuadrado. Schick. We will do well if we sell Quad but what an attack.

Mixalis Neskis

Would you exchange Bonucci for Romagnoli, De Sciglio plus cash? Reports have it, that such an offer came today and the management asked for a 72 hours to decide upon it. The same rumour indicates that Bonucci agreed to a 7M a year contract.

Well it seems to be solid! The agent says he works on a sale and given the relationship between Allegri and Bonucci, if the offer is right is not that impossible! Everything has to do with the cash offer! The players swap is ok, one we have interest on and the other with huge potential, if they offer anything above 20M with those two, the deal is as good as done

Peter

There’s no way they’re going to give us two young italian defenders and 20m for Bonucci. They can’t be that stupid.

Juventino Persa

Absolute madness if true! De Sciglio is a very normal player, and Romagnoli is a decent player, but apart from youth, nothing special, while Leo Bonucci is world world class CB and will be at top for next 3-4 years, cause he is not a physical type of defenders. And we already have two very talented CBs in Ruggani and Caldara! Leo is a leader I don’t see that happening!

Costa is official !!!!
Schick may not join…..or could join on a loan while Juve evaluate him
Orsolini to Atalanta on loan !!!!!

Kushtrim Spahiu

The DM discussion:
Football Italia reported an interest for Danilo Pereira of FC Porto.
What do you think of the lad? He played quite well against Juve in the round of 16.
He is young, physical, and Portugese (always bringing some technique with him). He used to play in Serie A for Parma for 3 years. Could be the best bet for DM. Otherwise, I agree with giving a chance to Bentancur or Mandragora.