so we've got a release candidate tree done (minus live images), that I've synced to rdu

<a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a>

wwoods

where in RDU?

<a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a>

f13

and I've been banging on it for a bit. I haven't ran into any stopships yet, I'm feeling pretty good.

<a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a>

f13

wwoods: I sent that to you in msg

<a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a>

wwoods

I rebooted and lost it, sorry

<a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a>

f13

you should have it now

<a href="#t13:04" class="time">13:04</a>

wwoods

cool, thank you

<a href="#t13:05" class="time">13:05</a>

jeremy

some of the live images at least are going to be problematic for now. kde, for example

<a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a>

jeremy

and we might want new NetworkManager in general. working with dcbw as we speak

<a href="#t13:06" class="time">13:06</a>

spot

we'll probably want new perl

<a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a>

spot

i'm building the new package now

<a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a>

spot

(fixes spamassassin)

<a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a>

warren

spot, the DB_File issue? what was it?

<a href="#t13:07" class="time">13:07</a>

spot

warren: i can show you the patch if you'd like, it was an uninitialized variable

<a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a>

warren

ah, ok

<a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a>

f13

uh..

<a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a>

f13

please keep in mind that "new" packages now that would be on the DVD == slip of the release

<a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a>

spot

f13: would you like to ship spamassassin non-functional?

<a href="#t13:08" class="time">13:08</a>

f13

spot: can it be fixed in an update? this isn't a final release.

<a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a>

spot

sure. it would just be broken on the DVD.

<a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a>

jeremy

won't be the only thing ;)

<a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a>

wwoods

anything that can be fixed in an update and doesn't prevent people from installing / updating

<a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a>

f13

heh

<a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a>

wwoods

is not a release blocker

<a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a>

wwoods

it sucks like whoa, but there it is

<a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a>

warren

jeremy, does the new NM show the right icon as connected when you login?

<a href="#t13:09" class="time">13:09</a>

f13

"new" ?

<a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a>

wwoods

(the rules are different for final releases, natch)

<a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a>

f13

I don't think it's been built yet.

<a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a>

jeremy

warren: not what's there right now; dcbw has a patch from mclasen to fix that up

<a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a>

jeremy

proposal: we can build the live images a little later and have more NetworkManager fixes

<a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a>

f13

we can somewhat cheat with the Live images and pull in some slightly newer stuff, but that won't make it to the DVDs

<a href="#t13:10" class="time">13:10</a>

jeremy

since that's the way that most people who are hitting NetworkManager can get the fixes right off the bat

<a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a>

f13

jeremy: +1

<a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a>

warren

More important to get it out the door and unfreeze

<a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a>

f13

but lets get a definition of what 'little later' means.

<a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a>

f13

I don't necessarily want to let IS release it to mirrors without all the content there

<a href="#t13:11" class="time">13:11</a>

jeremy

later today/early early tomorrow

<a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a>

jeremy

also, the plan for the developer and FEL live images is to do them torrent only as hopefully they'll be able to be on the new spins.fedoraproject.org at release time if we can get all the ducks in a row there

<a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a>

f13

jeremy: ok, that's probably OK, we can have IS stage and feed them the rest tomorrow, but their stage process doesn't lend itself to 'just resync against foo' :(

<a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a>

notting

that's cutting it close

<a href="#t13:12" class="time">13:12</a>

jeremy

and as kde is likely hosed, we might want to put it torrent-only also (as that gives us more time to potentially get a working knetworkmanager)

<a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a>

notting

hosed b/c of NM, or hosed for other reasons?

<a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a>

f13

nm

<a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a>

jeremy

NM

<a href="#t13:13" class="time">13:13</a>

warren

nevermind =)

<a href="#t13:14" class="time">13:14</a>

spot

i thought i read that knetworkmanager was working

<a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a>

jeremy

spot: lies

<a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a>

jeremy

spot: it doesn't _build_, much less work

<a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a>

* jeremy spent some time last night and this morning trying to get it to build

<a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a>

notting

'was being worked on'

<a href="#t13:16" class="time">13:16</a>

jeremy

I'll try to see if we can get the gnome nm-applet running with the kde livecd this afternoon as a short-term way to deal with things

<a href="#t13:18" class="time">13:18</a>

f13

k

<a href="#t13:20" class="time">13:20</a>

f13

in the mean time, I'm going to continue hitting test cases and getting say SHA1SUM files signed and stuff.

<a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a>

f13

and figuring out a way to get these damned DVDs to burn.

<a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a>

f13

I'll alert legal once we hand it off to IS

<a href="#t13:21" class="time">13:21</a>

f13

the Docs team is on the hook for a release announcement.

<a href="#t13:22" class="time">13:22</a>

f13

anything else anybody wants to bring up?

<a href="#t13:23" class="time">13:23</a>

poelcat

f13: got a quick on

<a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a>

notting

f13: ppc status?

<a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a>

f13

poelcat: shoot.

<a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a>

f13

notting: mostly working, X hosed on my mini and my G5

<a href="#t13:24" class="time">13:24</a>

f13

notting: I haven't seen a PPC gui in a while. Going to take a DVD home and throw it at the PS3 tonight.

<a href="#t13:25" class="time">13:25</a>

poelcat

f13: do we clearly explain anywhere why we don't do CD release anymore (regular ISOs not live image)?

<a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a>

wwoods

X works fine on my g4 powerbook and g5 powermac

<a href="#t13:26" class="time">13:26</a>

wwoods

well, the radeon in ght g5 is getting the monitor gamma wrongish still, but it works

<a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a>

jeremy

wwoods: ppc32 live cd coming up soon

<a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a>

wwoods

jeremy: seriously? I half-thought that was a joke

<a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a>

f13

poelcat: I don't thin it's put clearly anywhere no :(

<a href="#t13:27" class="time">13:27</a>

poelcat

f13: will it ever be reconsidered?

<a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a>

jeremy

wwoods: I don't joke.

<a href="#t13:28" class="time">13:28</a>

wwoods

jeremy: rad. Looking forward to it, then. I've got plenty of ppcs at home to mess with

<a href="#t13:29" class="time">13:29</a>

f13

poelcat: I'm not sure. It increases disk space on mirrors, compose time, and QA paths considerably

<a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a>

jeremy

wwoods: good. because there's not a lot of ppc32 hardware around here, so ...

<a href="#t13:30" class="time">13:30</a>

poelcat

f13: okay

<a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a>

f13

poelcat: plus given the i386 Live CD that's usable in CD form, or the network based install options from rescue or boot.iso, it doesn't seem to be all that work the added cost to produce.

<a href="#t13:31" class="time">13:31</a>

f13

poelcat: and since the tools are free, places like LUGs can produce such things for their members, or whatever.