Fans will probably also best remember them as the couple from the season where Ben said “I love you” to the woman he ultimately didn’t end up choosing (JoJo Fletcher), causing a legitimate fan uproar (cuz that’s how Bachelor Nation rolls. We live from producer-created drama to drama, and that’s how we like it).

And this week we learned something pretty incredible about Ben — something we genuinely never thought we’d hear…He’s a big old Renaissance Fair nerd.