I never understood the deal with yaoi, and why it appeals to some people, especially females. Even though I could say "double the guys, double the fun", it's not even nearly as close to normal as yuri could get. Due to the nature of the actual intercourse.

Aside from the obvious appeal yaoi can have to homosexual men, it's obvious it can be appealing to women.
I'm assuming you understand how men can like erotic images including only two women yes? Then why is the reverse strange to you?

Also, I advise you to avoid the word "normal", especially when you are talking about desires.

I saw one of Delakando's posts get deleted just yesterday! Happened pretty quick, too.

@Zhuinden: listen to Valerie

@Geareye: 80-85% of the yaoi fandom is female, and surveys suggest that there are actually more lesbians in the fandom than homosexual males. The stuff targeted at a male audience is called bara_________________butts

There's always the potential appeal of gendered sexual-role subversion for someone who doesn't particularly relate to the ways that the female partners are often portrayed. Which is, like, everyone I actually know.

There's always the potential appeal of gendered sexual-role subversion for someone who doesn't particularly relate to the ways that the female partners are often portrayed. Which is, like, everyone I actually know.

Yeah, I was going to say this.

Especially wrt guys showing emotion during sex. A lot of het porn is the guy being bored-ish or stoically silent nothing more than hostilely aggressive. You don't get a lot of guys looking like they are even all that into it, let alone overcome by the experience the way you get in yaoi. And that goes for the "guy on top" too, they get to be hrm, sensually involved I guess? As opposed to detached.

Not that some of those storylines don't exist, NGL yaoi shares a lot of problematic things with bodice-rippers in general, but at least in that area and a few others it has a general tendency to be better, at least.

There's always the potential appeal of gendered sexual-role subversion for someone who doesn't particularly relate to the ways that the female partners are often portrayed. Which is, like, everyone I actually know.

H'oh yeah, this is another good point. Heterosexual porn is often not very kind to the ladies. Gay porn, for obvious reasons, will be fair about how men/women are portrayed.

(If the reasons are not as obvious as I think, it's because only one sex is being shown, and that it is being shown as both the "top" and the "bottom," or they'd both be more like "switches" or what-have-you.)

Anyway, uh, I think Zhuiden just had an honest question and that it was worded badly. Have we answered it to your satisfaction, Z?_________________Men and patriarchy aren't interchangeable.

eehh, yaoi's quite famous for its troubling and heteronormative stereotypes.

Right. I don't personally think it's super "fair." I think that it subverts gender role expectations by putting men in both roles, but that means that it still has, and relies on, those roles and expectations.

Which is also why I think hetero women make up such a large part of the fan crowd, rather than actual gay men.

I have one word that surpasses yaoi, yuri, and every other genre by how it, um "portrays" sexual themes: Dōjinshi.

Yeah, A LOT of it is what I would call 'a scary glimpse into people's personal fantasies'; a lot of them make Mary Sues look awesome._________________...if a single leaf holds the eye, it will be as if the remaining leaves were not there.http://about.me/omardrake