One more correction - thanks, Geza! The same question to you, too: did any other Hungarian drivers race in Leningrad? There are two unknown entries left!

Also I have to say that Melkus' race time has been counted by my own, being based on the race distance and the average speed. But perhaps the race distance was 78.4 km - nobody knows the exact length of Nevskoe Koltso circuit!

Originally posted by Alexey Rogachev One more correction - thanks, Geza! The same question to you, too: did any other Hungarian drivers race in Leningrad? There are two unknown entries left!

Also I have to say that Melkus' race time has been counted by my own, being based on the race distance and the average speed. But perhaps the race distance was 78.4 km - nobody knows the exact length of Nevskoe Koltso circuit!

Unfortunately my magazine collection starts from 1971, so I don't have any results form 1966 BTW, what does "Nevskoe Koltso" mean? I had learnt Russian for a lot of time and spent a week in the former Soviet Union, but I can't translate it

Yes, I do know that your collection of magazines starts from 1971. But could you please tell me the names of these Hungarian auto and autosport magazines? Perhaps I'll be able to find them in the library here in Moscow...

'Nevskoe Koltso' means, as I just have mentioned in the first post of this thread, 'The Neva Ring'

As I was seven those days, I can't remember correctly...
But seriously, about 1000 km trip to USSR was always an adventure for not well equipped czech teams. Second reason can be that "comrads" (soudruzi=tovarischi) had not involved this race in his years plan...

Yes, I understand what you mean as such "year plans" were widely spread in Soviet motorsport. For example, the number of foreign races in which Soviet drivers took part never exceeded the number of the races in the USSR in which foreign drivers took part. And as the DOSAAF officials were always against inviting foreign drivers to race in the USSR (even from the Eastern Europe, not mention Western Europe!), the number of foreign races of Soviet drivers decreased respectively. In 1986, the Soviet delegation insisted on 4-round Cup of Peace and Friendship holding from 1987 onwards instead of 7-round! Also remember the failed Ecclestone's plan to hold the Formula 1 race in Moscow in 1983 - for the DOSAAF officials, the F1 race in Moscow was a terrible "ideologocal sabotage"...

I have to say that the race times of the first five drivers are very doubtful as they’ve been counted by my own, being based on their average speeds. The drivers’ race times were also found, but they haven’t corresponded to their average speeds and to each other!

22 drivers took part in this race. Nine of them were from Soviet Union, five drivers were Polish, four drivers were Czechoslovakian, and four drivers were from East Germany. Can anyone add something to the race results or reveal the unknown entries?

Also could you please explain me what was the difference between Rak-Promot and Promot-67? I have a picture of Jerzy Jankowski sitting near the Polish F3 racing car that took part in Riga event in 1968. I'll try to post it to this thread as soon as possible. Perhaps you'll be able to determine its marque...

Even though the picture is rather blurred, I think it will be possible to identify the car. BTW, is this really Jankowski who's sitting near the car?

I've found new fragments of the race results. According to a short race summary published in 'Soviet Latvia' newspaper, Bobek was 5" approximately behind Melkus, and Griffel was 1.4" behind Bielak. Also Vaclav Bobek's retirement has been mentioned.

I find the Peace and Friendship Cup competitions very interesting but my knowledge of the series is very limited. When you posted the results of round 3 of the 1968 series at Riga I was dismayed to find I had the Czech round with the same date! It is obvious to me that my piece-meal (!) compilation of these races is seriously flawed.

Would it be possible for you to list the circuits and dates for the races held over the years of this competition? It would be very much appreciated.

In 1967, a Soviet round of Cup of Peace and Friendship was expected to be held on July 22-23, but it was cancelled. I think the reason to be the fatal racing accident that had happened in Tbilisi on April 9, 1967 - six spectators were killed in it. Generally speaking, the 1967 season was a great crisis in Soviet autosport...

And in 1968, the four-round championship was planned. The final round had to be held in Dresden in October.

A request to sat, Anjakub, Geza: when typing replies, please don't use your native symbol code to insert letters with diacritical marks as they're displayed as Cyrilic letters on my PC! Could you please type letters without any diacritical marks or use the Microsoft Word symbols table?

I doubt that there was a Czechoslovakian CPF round in 1963 as Czechoslovakian drivers began to race in the Cup of Peace and Friendship in 1964 or even in 1965! I'm sure that there was a Hungarian round instead of Czechoslovakian in 1963. Please check your sources once more!

As for the F. Junior race held in Brno on August 25, 1963 - I can say that it definitely wasn't a CPF round! Look here, and you will find a number of drivers from Western Europe in the race results. Therefore it wasn't a CPF event, but a non-championship international F. Junior race only.

There is also a couple of other web-sites that contains CPF race results. The first is http://www.puru.de/motorsport.html - the 1978-90 results, mostly full ones, can be found there. The second is http://home.wanadoo....oviet/fscc.html - a section of 'The GEL Motorsport Pages' by Darren Galpin that contains the results of my research for CPF results. They are very poor, though.

Also you can find here the thread called 'TNF Is a Real Motorsport Encyclopaedia' started by Kvadrat - some detailes regarding CPF were discussed there.

posted by Alexey RogachevI doubt that there was a Czechoslovakian CPF round in 1963 as Czechoslovakian drivers began to race in the Cup of Peace and Friendship in 1964 or even in 1965! I'm sure that there was a Hungarian round instead of Czechoslovakian in 1963. Please check your sources once more!

There were rounds of the Peace and Friendship Cup in 1964 and 1965 in Czechoslovakia. The 1964 round was held the day before the International race.

As for 1963 there were 45 entries for the Brno Formula Junior race or races and the "western" press may only have reported on the International race. Possibly there was a race restricted to the Socialist countries the day before as in 1964. It seems unlikely they would have had just one race for so many cars despite it being a long circuit. All the top East German, Polish and Hungarian drivers were listed and, with respect, I don't think they would have bothered to have entered if they were only to race against the "western cars". But, like I say, I have not been able to find a reference to the Peace and Friendship Cup.

My book about Brno races lists only one Formula Junior race for 1963, won by a well known Austrian driver Barry ahead of his to me unknown countryman called Rindt , both in Cooper-Fords. Only in 1964 and 1966 there were two F3 races, one only for Cup of Socialist Countries...
And, OT, Barry apparently won GT race in same yer, 1963, too, in a Porsche. Now, I never before heard of Barry - not a minor achievement, especially beating Jochen in process. A little googling brought just a few information about Kurt Bardi-Barry but results he achieved seem to be pretty impressive. Obviously he also died in an accident somewhere? As Atlas search doesn't work at the moment I can't find if he was discussed here already?

Very interesting! At least we agree on Prague as the 1966 round of the Peace and Friendship Cup.

Looking again at the report of the 25.7.65 in Svet Motoru there is no mention of the titled series. Most of the report is given over to the motor bike races and just one paragraph to the F3 race. However I think you are right.

Looking at the final points table for the Czech national F3 championship it lists four races Brno, Most, Stramberk and Prague. Delving backwards it appears that the first round at Brno was held on 1 May. I was not aware that two meetings were held on the Brno circuit that year.

If you can check the other Cup dates 1963-1971 and confirm I would be most obliged.

So was there a 1963 Czech round of the Peace and Friendship Cup or not? If there was, any idea where it was held if not Brno?

Do we agree the 1965 round was held at Stramberk and the 1966 round at Prague?

I must admit I have great difficulty deciphering Svet Motoru reports!

John

Dear John,

in Brno were on 26.8.1962 and 25.8.1963 international Formel Junor races, but no round of the Cup of Peace and Friendship (CPF). 1965 Stramberk race was part of Czechoslovak championship with (for more atractivity of event) invited 4 drivers from Eastern Germany and 4 from Poland. First Brno race in 1964 and 1965 was not on GP racetrack, but on small (1,5km) racetrack between pavilions of Brno Fairs.

Here are dates from F3 times:Legend - CZ = Round of Czechoslovak Championship, Int = International Race in Czechoslovakia or in other countries,where took part also Czechoslovak drivers, Int-CPF = Round of CPF, Int+CPF = International race with separate clasification for CPF, Int+CZ = International race with separate clasification for Czechoslovak Championship

You must be a mind-reader! I was going to ask if anyone could supply a list of all the F3 races held in Czechoslovakia. Your information is very useful but beware I'll be back wanting more!!! Like can you list the Formula Junior races?

Oh, what a great discussion has begun here on this unpretentious thread! So I repeat my original request: can anyone add anything to the 1968 Riga results? Sat, is there any race report in 'Svet Motoru'? I can say that I've looked through all available sources and found only one German entry (Heinz Melkus) and two Czechoslovakian entries (J. Bobek & V. Bobek). What were the rest of them, I wonder?

Originally posted by IMV Here are dates from F3 times: Legend - CZ = Round of Czechoslovak Championship, Int = International Race in Czechoslovakia or in other countries,where took part also Czechoslovak drivers, Int-CPF = Round of CPF, Int+CPF = International race with separate clasification for CPF, Int+CZ = International race with separate clasification for Czechoslovak Championship

Michale,

Impressive list, indeed !Do you know who were the winners ?

Other thing : what do mean the idioms "vystavisti", "prehrada", "skal" ?

Originally posted by Alexey Rogachev Oh, what a great discussion has begun here on this unpretentious thread! So I repeat my original request: can anyone add anything to the 1968 Riga results? Sat, is there any race report in 'Svet Motoru'? I can say that I've looked through all available sources and found only one German entry (Heinz Melkus) and two Czechoslovakian entries (J. Bobek & V. Bobek). What were the rest of them, I wonder?

Dear Alexey, I didn´t found anything in Svet Motoru, but as far as Czechoslovakian entries, there has to be for sure Miroslav Fousek, the third Skoda factory driver and overall winner of Cup of Peace and Friendship at this year...Michal