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Sad to hear. IMO he contributed faster than either McKie or Theus, and was always wondering what part of Coach Martin's doghouse he got himself into to keep him from playing more that he did. I thought for the few minutes he played he did pretty great scoring from the field, and he had a positive assist-turnover ratio. I guess he feels he'll get squeezed out of PT with Stroman on the way in. We need to nab Dozier and Woods..

Sad to hear. IMO he contributed faster than either McKie or Theus, and was always wondering what part of Coach Martin's doghouse he got himself into to keep him from playing more that he did. I thought for the few minutes he played he did pretty great scoring from the field, and he had a positive assist-turnover ratio. I guess he feels he'll get squeezed out of PT with Stroman on the way in. We need to nab Dozier and Woods..

I had season's tickets this year and was able to be at most of the games.
In one of the early games (might have been Manhattan, but not sure) Jaylen was inserted at point and had several turnovers in a row. Frank called a timeout and to my knowledge Jaylen did not return as the point for any more significant stretches. He had several games where he shot/ scored well and when he was attacking to score he made some great passes off of those drives. In fairness, Jaylen made several impressive feeds to our big men that they were not good enough to catch, and that hurt his turnover ratio... but to my eyes, when he was trying to run the show he was not proficient enough with the ball.

I believe his best position was at shooting guard but Frank likes tall guards and Jaylen had trouble defending taller guards. I haven't seen Stroman play, but understand he is a very good ball handler- so I believe Jaylen was not expecting to get significant PT as you surmised.

FM seems to be really having a hard time finding players that fit his scheme. This team has become a turnstile. Shaw was not going to see the floor much, but I sure hope we have better players coming. He needs to make improvements fast before he loses fans and his own players.

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You get what you recruit. Star ratings in basketball are much more of an exact science than they are with football. No offense to Shaw but he was a 2 star out of high school with us and Clemson being his only major offers. I've come to not expect much from the little-known 2 star players we get because they are often the guys that get shuffled in and out of the program. By all accounts Shaw's a good kid, and I hope he lands somewhere he can get some playing time to show what he can do. Hopefully we can bring in a better talent to replace him.

FM seems to be really having a hard time finding players that fit his scheme. This team has become a turnstile. Shaw was not going to see the floor much, but I sure hope we have better players coming. He needs to make improvements fast before he loses fans and his own players.

Frank is assembling a puzzle without knowing what the picture looks like. He's gotta try the pieces he thinks might fit and if they don't, swap them out until he gets the right combination. Like Coach Staley, once Frank finds the right pieces that create the team he's looking for, the transfers will calm down dramatically. That probably won't happen for another season or two.

Frank had 11 transfers at KSU. It's nothing new to him, although it doesn't seem that he agrees with most of them. He has said before that the high number of transfers across the NCAA is a grassroots problem. Simply put, the kids aren't taught to stick it out somewhere when the going gets tough, they simply find another place to play basketball.

It's not just a problem for Frank Martin, it's a SEC and nationwide problem for college basketball.

However, I think this case comes down to replacing Shaw with better talent, not so sure about the Ringer transfer.

Frank had 11 transfers at KSU. It's nothing new to him, although it doesn't seem that he agrees with most of them. He has said before that the high number of transfers across the NCAA is a grassroots problem. Simply put, the kids aren't taught to stick it out somewhere when the going gets tough, they simply find another place to play basketball.

It's not just a problem for Frank Martin, it's a SEC and nationwide problem for college basketball.

However, I think this case comes down to replacing Shaw with better talent, not so sure about the Ringer transfer.

Sorry, but it would be laughable to find Frank blameless regarding transfers. Of last year's class, at least 4 of the incoming guys were questionable offers. Everyone with half a brain knew at least 1 to 2 of those would transfer, and at this point I think it's doubtful that the 2 who are still here last much longer than another year. That's Frank's method of recruiting. If Frank didn't want transfers, he wouldn't bring in classes full of questionable offers. No offense to some of these players, but if they stuck around it would make it nearly impossible to field a competitive team in the SEC, because we'd have a roster full of guys who couldn't compete.

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Sorry, but it would be laughable to find Frank blameless regarding transfers. Of last year's class, at least 4 of the incoming guys were questionable offers. Everyone with half a brain knew at least 1 to 2 of those would transfer, and at this point I think it's doubtful that the 2 who are still here last much longer than another year. That's Frank's method of recruiting. If Frank didn't want transfers, he wouldn't bring in classes full of questionable offers. No offense to some of these players, but if they stuck around it would make it nearly impossible to field a competitive team in the SEC, because we'd have a roster full of guys who couldn't compete.

Who said Frank was blameless? Read the post again if you are confused. Frank is a tough guy to play for, throw that in with the fact that kids are transferring at an alarming rate all across college basketball and we are going to always have a lot of attrition while he's here. No way he could overhaul the roster like he did and not have 2 or 3 transfers a year until he's satisfied with the roster and he has a roster full of kids willing to do what he expects of them.

Kids are changing high schools looking for more PT, then they do the same thing at the AAU level. Why would you expect that to change at the college level?

Who said Frank was blameless? Read the post again if you are confused. Frank is a tough guy to play for, throw that in with the fact that kids are transferring at an alarming rate all across college basketball and we are going to always have a lot of attrition while he's here. No way he could overhaul the roster like he did and not have 2 or 3 transfers a year until he's satisfied with the roster and he has a roster full of kids willing to do what he expects of them.

Kids are changing high schools looking for more PT, then they do the same thing at the AAU level. Why would you expect that to change at the college level?

It was the implication that these players are at fault for not wanting to "tough it out." If a roster full of questionable offers decided to "tough it out," we'd be in even worse shape than we are now. Frank needs these guys to transfer, despite what he may tell the press & public. If Frank doesn't want guys transferring, he shouldn't make so many questionable offers.

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Ringer and Shaw would have had chances at minutes next year. They were True Freshman last year so it is not surprising they didn't have huge impacts last year. When players transfer out who were prob going to get minutes the following year, that is an issue.

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It was the implication that these players are at fault for not wanting to "tough it out." If a roster full of questionable offers decided to "tough it out," we'd be in even worse shape than we are now. Frank needs these guys to transfer, despite what he may tell the press & public. If Frank doesn't want guys transferring, he shouldn't make so many questionable offers.

The implication that some don't want to tough it out and some need to go to make room for better talent.

We have already seen a huge change in talent here under Martin.

I'm going to let the man continue to build it the way he sees fit. I like what he's doing and how he's going about it. Some of you guys seem to have forgotten how bad our program was a short two years ago. We are heading in the right direction, and I doubt very seriously if Shaw or Ringer was going to help take us to the next level.