this is how i see it happening thor admediantly teleports them all behind sams team dragon runs and smacks iw inthe face knocking her out but just to be same chucks her into the a lava pit, while this is hapening thor has called a lightning bolt down and zapped torch wich has killed him but to be safe he chucks him into a lava pit, while this is happening namor is fighting warmachine , and spidey is fighting venom, thor and spidey beat venom to a pulp and chuck him into a lava pit and namor is just ripping the armor of warmacine until dragon helps grabs wm and namor helps to chuck him into a lava pit, not bd for my first time is it

TheKahn

Originally posted by thesilverspider
So it's me then ...........

No, I had to look them up again.

AJ4LIFE

so is my idea any good then

dman2008

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
so is my idea any good then

Yeah

AJ4LIFE

horay

dman2008

Its kind of hard to understand try to space it out a bit

AJ4LIFE

cant been to long ill do it again if want

Rewmac

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
cant been to long ill do it again if want
That would be great.

AJ4LIFE

this is how i see it happening thor admediantly teleports them all behind sams team dragon runs and smacks iw inthe face knocking her out but just to be same chucks her into the a lava pit,

while this is hapening thor has called a lightning bolt down and zapped torch wich has killed him but to be safe he chucks him into a lava pit,

while this is happening namor is fighting warmachine , and spidey is fighting venom,
thor and spidey beat venom to a pulp and chuck him into a lava pit and namor is just ripping the armor of warmacine until dragon helps grabs wm and namor helps to chuck him into a lava pit, not bd for my first time is it

is that better

dman2008

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
this is how i see it happening thor admediantly teleports them all behind sams team dragon runs and smacks iw inthe face knocking her out but just to be same chucks her into the a lava pit,

while this is hapening thor has called a lightning bolt down and zapped torch wich has killed him but to be safe he chucks him into a lava pit,

while this is happening namor is fighting warmachine , and spidey is fighting venom,
thor and spidey beat venom to a pulp and chuck him into a lava pit and namor is just ripping the armor of warmacine until dragon helps grabs wm and namor helps to chuck him into a lava pit, not bd for my first time is it

is that better

thats great

AJ4LIFE

good cause im just getting started now if sam would hurry p and get online, damn hes normally on by now

dman2008

don't tell me we're going to have another no show

nevemind its pretty early anway he'll probably be here later

AJ pm him

AJ4LIFE

he'll show but h ahsnt been online, hes my freind hell want to fce me

grey fox

This is how i see it happening thor immediately teleports them all behind sams team dragon runs and smacks iw in the face knocking her out but just to be careful he chucks her into a lava pit,

While this is happening thor has called a lightning bolt down and fried the torch which has killed him but to be safe he chucks his still twitching corpse into a lava pit,

While this is happening namor is fighting warmachine , and spidey is fighting venom,

Thor and spidey beat venom to a pulp and chuck him into a lava pit while namor is just ripping the armor of war-machine until dragon helps the both then grab War-machine (and namor helps) to chuck him into a lava pit, not bad for my first time is it ?

Spell checked and upgraded Aj

AJ4LIFE

thanks, yeah thats it

thesilverspider

Who pinned it? I forgot to ask a mod to do it.......

marvelprince

Jus got ur message AJ so I'm here. Hopefully sam will show up later. I got to say that I think your team will take this. With Thor and Namor i think they have enough power to pull off a win

samishe

Ok. Now i'm here and it's time tfor kicking a$$ AJ.
Gimme a couple of minutes to think of something.
PS. How the hell Carnage and Steal turned into Namor and Thor???

AJ4LIFE

im goona kick yor ass sam more like
i changed ages ago, u should have been online sam, i was, i got school in a little while so ill be gone for 6 hours but not for a little while, u like my new pics

samishe

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
im goona kick yor ass sam more like
i changed ages ago, u should have been online sam, i was, i got school in a little while so ill be gone for 6 hours but not for a little while, u like my new pics

Man, Thor??!!! I glad you haven't picked Galactus.

samishe

Invicible woman makes a forcefield and protects team from lightning bolt, meanwhile Warmachine knocks down Savage Dragon with rocket.
Torch uses his Nova Flame to frigh Dragon. While Venom distracting Namor, Sue cathes Spider in her field and squishes him so he won't annoy anyone.

AJ4LIFE

can sue read minds no she cant , so she dosent get a chance to sheild team, but im only going after torch with lightning bolt anywy, savage dragon is to fast and wont give iw the chance to do anything they wont even realise theyre behind them, because they planned wat theyre gonna do he prepares himself and will just be to quike for her

back in 6 hours going to school now

samishe

Ok, but she doesn't heed to protect whole team anyway. You said Thor attacks Torch with lightning. I believe he flyes fast enough to avoid it.

Next. Torch burns oxygen around Namor so it's hard for him to breathe and since the fight scene is far from water Namor dies quickly.

marvelprince

Well if Sue puts up a forcefield Thor can just teleport through it you know. It wont do much to protect the team, in fact it just makes it easier for her to get taken out

samishe

As i already corrected myself there is no need for her to protect the whole team. All of them are fast enough to avoid attacks. In fact it would be hard to get torch with lightning if he flyes at his full speed.
Sue could make field around herself and around Spider-man to take him out. While Torch and WM are taking care of Namor and Dragon(as i explained above), Venom can be destracting Thor. After my team took care of others they all are going to attack Thor.

marvelprince

I don't think Venom will be much of a distraction to Thor. If you looked at Ultimates 2 yu'll see that it took the Ultimates plus their european counterparts to take down a Thor who didn't really want to fight them. On his own Thor will pose a major threat to your team. Johnny's fast but he's been hit by things much slower than lightning, and if Thor really decided to unleash his fury Torch is going down. Namor and War Machine? Namor has beaten Iron Man who im pretty sure has more advanced armour than WM so im pretty sure James loses

samishe

Originally posted by marvelprince
I don't think Venom will be much of a distraction to Thor. If you looked at Ultimates 2 yu'll see that it took the Ultimates plus their european counterparts to take down a Thor who didn't really want to fight them. On his own Thor will pose a major threat to your team. Johnny's fast but he's been hit by things much slower than lightning, and if Thor really decided to unleash his fury Torch is going down. Namor and War Machine? Namor has beaten Iron Man who im pretty sure has more advanced armour than WM so im pretty sure James loses

I agree that Thor is the biggest threat to my team. But Venom don't really have to fight Thor, his job is to distract him, to buy others some time to deal with AJ team. To be exact Venom job here is to annoy Thor, like shoot webbing in his eyes, or jump on his back etc. I believe he's fast enough to avoid Thor for sometime.
Warmachine is dealing with Dragon, not Namor. Dragon is strong and has healing factor, but few rocket launchers would be enough to Knock Dragon down for a while.
Meanwhile Torch is attacking Namor with Nova Flames.
It takes Sue only a couple of seconds to kill Spider, so now she comes to help Venom.

marvelprince

Its not gonna work like that. Thor is gonna go for who he feels is the biggest threat to his team, not waste his time. Your logic is going on what is the best way for team 2 to win, not how the pairing would actually happen. Thor is gonna be up in the air, probably lookin to fight either Torch or War Machine maybe both if feels lucky enogh. You could have Sue versus Sider-Man if you want, but then it'll be Venom vs Savage Dragon

outarddwarf

Is this Aj4life's battle and not marvel princes or what?

marvelprince

Sorry, got a lil carried away there. Told AJ i'd look after things for him but i won't take over his fight. My apologys

samishe

Originally posted by marvelprince
Its not gonna work like that. Thor is gonna go for who he feels is the biggest threat to his team, not waste his time. Your logic is going on what is the best way for team 2 to win, not how the pairing would actually happen. Thor is gonna be up in the air, probably lookin to fight either Torch or War Machine maybe both if feels lucky enogh. You could have Sue versus Sider-Man if you want, but then it'll be Venom vs Savage Dragon

You're still mad at me because of that Venom vs Aquaman thread, aren't you?

Anyway. There is no Sue vs Spider-man because she kills him in two seconds. He couldn't avoid being cought with force field.
So now it's Sue, Torch, WM, Venom vs Namor, Thor and Dragon.
Venom is not a match for Thor, but he could fight Savage Dragon.
He could use his tendrils to damage his brains.
Namor is far from water so he is not in his top shape.
Sue uses her field to move him right into lava.
And WarM and Torch could deal with Thor.

marvelprince

Lol, no we're cool. I don't get mad at fights unless one person is just a blantant fanboy and refuses to accept logic, or if they just continue to say their character will win without saying how. I saw your points and saw where you were coming from even though I disagreed with them. I have a great respect for you sam. Plus any friend of Aj's is a friend of mine

samishe

Originally posted by marvelprince
Lol, no we're cool. I don't get mad at fights unless one person is just a blantant fanboy and refuses to accept logic, or if they just continue to say their character will win without saying how. I saw your points and saw where you were coming from even though I disagreed with them. I have a great respect for you sam. Plus any friend of Aj's is a friend of mine

Thanks prince. Glad to hear that. I respect you too.

AJ4LIFE

anyway...

well they dont even know theyre behind them so the bolt comes and hits and kills him before hes left the ground, anyway i doubt he can fly faster than a lightning bolt, iw gets knocked out with one punch befoe she knows wats happening, and if u want wm vs dragon, well dragon can dodge easy dragon has been shot o a building and landed on a spire and dragged himself back up so i doubt that will casue much of a problem, and anyway spidey has made the plan in the prep time so they all know theyre roles,

[can thor teleport out of the battle feild then, if not it dont matter i dont need that thing much anyway,

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
anyway...

well they dont even know theyre behind them so the bolt comes and hits and kills him before hes left the ground, anyway i doubt he can fly faster than a lightning bolt, iw gets knocked out with one punch befoe she knows wats happening, and if u want wm vs dragon, well dragon can dodge easy dragon has been shot o a building and landed on a spire and dragged himself back up so i doubt that will casue much of a problem, and anyway spidey has made the plan in the prep time so they all know theyre roles,

He doesn't need to fly faster than lightning bolt to dodge it. Spider-man can't move faster than bulet but he dodges bulets.
How exactly will Dragon hit her through the force field?
Even if Thor teleports behind them Venom's symbiot could see in all directions so he'll notice him and warn everybody.
Dragon couldn't dodge if explosion is big enough. Plus WM's rockets could lock on him and track him.
As for Spider-man he's not a very good strtegist. He could outsmart enemies, but i hardly can imagine what plan he could come with do beat my team.

AJ4LIFE

how does he see everything ay, well he just gets zapped by lightning as well then

cause spidey can, normally he just thinks of things on the spot if need be, but he can become a good srategist if need be

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
how does he see everything ay, well he just gets zapped by lightning as well then
He suit is able to see in all directions and report Eddie.
In fact it works almost as spider sence. He ain't getting hit by lightnins since his reflexes are almost as good as spider's.

It will take WM only a couple of missiles to KO dragon. Torch attacks Thor with super Nova fame. IW sqishes spider in second with her force field. Then she uses force field to drag Namor into lava. Now it's Thor against Venom, WM, IW and Torch. They can handle him.

AJ4LIFE

well why wasnt he wrned in access when it was spidey and supes, i dont see anyone dodging lightning bolts to be honest, look how fast they r, they come down before anyone has turned around, theyll be dead in 10 secs flat,

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
well why wasnt he wrned in access when it was spidey and supes, i dont see anyone dodging lightning bolts to be honest, look how fast they r, they come down before anyone has turned around, theyll be dead in 10 secs flat,

Firstly no Acces. People usually call it PIS, so...
Lightning is fast but it comes from sky. You know it's harder to dodge bulet if it's a meter away from you than to dodge lightning. And Venom dodged bulets. WM and Torch fly fast. Enough fast to get of lightnings range before it hits them. Sue has force field...

samishe

Here Venom's clone catches bulet in the mid-air.

AJ4LIFE

ok as soon as they teleport behind them, they r right behind them, namor snaps iws neck, venom cant warn them fast enough, cause hes already been smacked them around the head with thors hammor

AJ4LIFE

ok wats faster lightning or a bullet theres no compition

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
ok as soon as they teleport behind them, they r right behind them, namor snaps iws neck, venom cant warn them fast enough, cause hes already been smacked them around the head with thors hammor

Even if they teleport right when battle started they won't be able to do anything because Torch and WM already would be flying in the air, IW would be covered with forcefield. And Venom as i proved above reacts fast enough to dodge Thors hammer. So teleporting ain't helping him.

Now it's my turn to attack. What could Spider do to avoid being squished with forcefield? WM is in the air. He shoots rockets at Dragon. How could Dragon dodge rockets which follow him wherever he goes? When Sue kills Spider she covers Namor with forcefield and drags him into lava. What could he do with that?

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
ok wats faster lightning or a bullet theres no compition

Lightning is faster. But bulet that shot a meter away from you would reach you faster than lightning would reach you from the sky. So if Venom can dodge bulet, then he could dodge lightning.

What is the speed of lightning?
Question: What is the speed of lightning?
thomasb

Answer:
According to the book, "It's Raining Frogs and Fishes,"
by Jerry Dennis, lightning bolts travel at speeds up
to 93,000 miles per second. That's pretty darn fast.
What we see as a single lightning flash is actually
several lightning bolts that follow each other so rapidly
that our eyes see only a single flash.
-Grant

What is the speed of lightning?
Question: What is the speed of lightning?
thomasb

Answer:
According to the book, "It's Raining Frogs and Fishes,"
by Jerry Dennis, lightning bolts travel at speeds up
to 93,000 miles per second. That's pretty darn fast.
What we see as a single lightning flash is actually
several lightning bolts that follow each other so rapidly
that our eyes see only a single flash.
-Grant

Bulet that shot in front of you still gets you faster.
Now try to answer my questions above.

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
HOW CAN DODGE THAT WHEN HE ISNT THAT FAST AND HE DODENT SEE IT COMING

Can't he. Don't think so. If guy could catch a bulet in mid air he would react fast enough to dodge lightning. Plus as i already said his suit sees in all directions. So he would see it coming.

AJ4LIFE

maybe but he dosent see it coming so i think i win this arguement

spidey dosent have to dodge iw cause shes dead in 2 secs of the fight cause they teleport right behind them so they dont have to move, iws neck gets snapped, who aggrees with the lightning thing i want to know who people thinks is right

he wont be looking for lightning will he the lightning strikes whyll they r teleporting

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
have a look at the stats i put on there, or ill just oost a link

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen99/gen99096.htm

Don't bother, i trust your words.

AJ4LIFE

well its to late i already did, i trust yor words to but should put evidence for other people

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
maybe but he dosent see it coming so i think i win this arguement

spidey dosent have to dodge iw cause shes dead in 2 secs of the fight cause they teleport right behind them so they dont have to move, iws neck gets snapped, who aggrees with the lightning thing i want to know who people thinks is right

As i said above he would see it coming. Sorry even Namor can't break her neck through a forcefield. So Spidey is getting down.

AJ4LIFE

she dosent have time to put sheild up, look how fast he teleports

wait there ill try to find it

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
she dosent have time to put sheild up, look how fast he teleports

wait there ill try to find it

She doesn't need time to make a forcefield. Thor needs at least 2 seconds to teleport and to hit her or break her neck.

AJ4LIFE

it wont be thor braking her neck namor will be standing ready to do it

look how fast it takes him to telelport no time at all

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
it wont be thor braking her neck namor will be standing ready to do it

Well, you said Thor teleports him behind them. It doesn't matter who tries to break her neck. It would take him at least 2 seconds to kill her after teleportation. This is more than just enough for making forcefield.

Now try to answer my questions.

How Spidey could avoid being killed?
How could Dragon dodge rockets that follow him wherever he goes?
And what could Namor do to avoid being hit by Super Nova and then dragged into lava by Sue?

AJ4LIFE

well dragon jumps onto wm and kicks him into lava, anyway can iw hold up the sheild whyll its beiing hit with lightning and and being hit with mojirir, how can she concentate on spidey and thor

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
well dragon jumps onto wm and kicks him into lava, anyway can iw hold up the sheild whyll its beiing hit with lightning and and being hit with mojirir, how can she concentate on spidey and thor

How could Dragon jump on WM if he flyes in the air and if there are two missiles on Dragon's a$$?

Her shied protects her from lightning, and it's not hard for her to concentrate on Spidey. She showed to be able to make multiple forcefields at the same time, so Spidey dies anyway.

AJ4LIFE

i doubt she can hold all that strain how can she hold of a god and ligtning,

anddragon is a excellent jumper hell jump on him with ease

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
i doubt she can hold all that strain how can she hold of a god and ligtning,

anddragon is a excellent jumper hell jump on him with ease

How IW can hold all this? Have you forgot abou Torch? He ain't gonna just stand there and watch how your guys trying to kill his sister. He would attack them with Nova Flames.

Even if Dragon jumps at WM, WM's suit posses vast superhuman strength that is almost equel to Ironman's strength(class 100).
So Dragon is thrown right into lava.

marvelprince

Well Sue can make multiple forcefields but they can be overloaded. She struggled in the past to contain Johhny's flame so against the might of mytic lightning and Mjolnir pounding against her shields she is gonna cave.

Also how exactly does the forcefield take out Spidey. Does she just drop a construct on him? He has spider-sense to dodge, and if she just encases him in one shes gonna have a hell of a time holding him cause he'll just speed blitz and pound the shield.

samishe

Originally posted by marvelprince
Well Sue can make multiple forcefields but they can be overloaded. She struggled in the past to contain Johhny's flame so against the might of mytic lightning and Mjolnir pounding against her shields she is gonna cave.

Also how exactly does the forcefield take out Spidey. Does she just drop a construct on him? He has spider-sense to dodge, and if she just encases him in one shes gonna have a hell of a time holding him cause he'll just speed blitz and pound the shield.

As as said above Torch would attack Thor so he won't distract Sue from killing Spidey. And how would she kill him? Catches him first, then
a)Just squishes him inside of the field.
b)Dragges him into lava.

AJ4LIFE

Originally posted by samishe
Here Venom's clone catches bulet in the mid-air.

have u got any scans of VENOM catching them , cause were talking about venom not his clone

anyway, namor can beat torch if he just grabs him bye the ankles quikly and slings him aeound and doesnt give him the chance to do anything can torch get hurt by lava

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
have u got any scans of VENOM catching them , cause were talking about venom not his clone

Man , original is always superior than clone. He kicked clone's a$$. And i have scan of Venom catching shot from shotgun.

marvelprince

In an FF issue where Spidey was pissed at Torch the entire Fantastic Four went up against Spider-Man. Sue tried to contain him but he was just too fast for her. Reed even admitted that Spider-Man was too much for them to take cause of his speed. So its not so easy for Sue to simply "catch" him

AJ4LIFE

ok but try to answer question if can

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
have u got any scans of VENOM catching them , cause were talking about venom not his clone

anyway, namor can beat torch if he just grabs him bye the ankles quikly and slings him aeound and doesnt give him the chance to do anything can torch get hurt by lava

No he can't. Torch can't be burned by any temperature below sun's.

And if Namor tries to catch him he's getting fried.

AJ4LIFE

well how does namor take on ff if he cant beat torch, im trying not to be rude prince but people will say i cheated even though im not using yor ideas so dont post battle ideas just pots who u think is winning and stuff ok, i know u get carried away but try not u ok

samishe

Originally posted by marvelprince
In an FF issue where Spidey was pissed at Torch the entire Fantastic Four went up against Spider-Man. Sue tried to contain him but he was just too fast for her. Reed even admitted that Spider-Man was too much for them to take cause of his speed. So its not so easy for Sue to simply "catch" him

Well, the met several times and usually it takes only one member of FF to deal with Spidey. Whenever he fights entire team and wins is also PIS.

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
well how does namor take on ff if he cant beat torch, im trying not to be rude prince but people will say i cheated even though im not using yor ideas so dont post battle ideas just pots who u think is winning and stuff ok, i know u get carried away but try not u ok

Well it's a team on team fight. So it's different. Namour still could be killed by lava.

Anyway continue tommorow, gotta go now, bye.

AJ4LIFE

so theyre first evr incounter was pis was it, i dont think so,

why u going i was on a role,
please post who u think is winning people so i know if i should carry on so im not wasting my time casue im suppoesed to be doing something

The only thing I could suggest is that both of you may want to consider the amount of splash damage your attacks might cause. Sam's War Machine and Human Torch as well as aj's Thor might end up taking out their own teammates with the attacks you are conducting (i.e. thor's lightning and WM's rockets and Torch's nova flame). Especially as aj's teleportation tactic will put both teams in very close quarters.

AJ4LIFE

i see wat u mean thanks
u to prince thanks good luck with test

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
so theyre first evr incounter was pis was it, i dont think so,

why u going i was on a role,
please post who u think is winning people so i know if i should carry on so im not wasting my time casue im suppoesed to be doing something

In their first fight FF didn't really wanted to fight Spidey. They were trying to calm him down. Thing hit him only once and he pulled his punch.

There.

samishe

This is how i see this fight from the beginning to the end.

Thor teleports all AJ team on the other side of a pit, behind my team.
While they were teleporting Torch and WM flew up, Venom jumped of the way of AJ team and Sue made a forcefield to avoid possible attack.
Thor and Namor are trying to break through Sue forcefield. Torch attacks them both to stop them from attacking his sister. Namor dodges flame and flyes to fight WM. Torch fights Thor. Since nobody distracting Sue she could concentrate on Spider. She becomes invicible to make sure nobody would hurt her. She makes a forcefield and kills Spider with it. Torch is still flying circles around Thor and shoots flames at him.
Namor is going to attack WM but Venom shoots webbing in his eyes to distract him. Meanwhile Sue uses her forcefield to take some lava from the pit. She moves it right at Namor and sprays it at him. Namor distracted by Venom's web can't dodge in time...
WM shoots rockets at Savage Dragon, Dragon somehow avoids them(thats what AJ says) and jumps on WM. Now they both are flying in the air. Savage Dragon holds WM and doesn't let go. Savage Dragon is strong so WM couldn't outfight him in the air. So he flies to the pit and when they both above the lava he shakes off Dragon who falls right into the pit.
Now all three join Torch in fight against Thor.

samishe

This is the second time Spidey fights with FF, but this time it's only Torch who fights against him. If you read carefully you would notice that he goes easy on Spidey. If all four members of FF fought Spidey without going easy on him, he would've been dead in a second.

AJ4LIFE

spidey was very young and he wasnt trying to hurt anyone he was just messing about

they wont have time to fly it takes no time at all to teleport i wll giv a proper answer later but im in school

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
spidey was very young and he wasnt trying to hurt anyone he was just messing about

they wont have time to fly it takes no time at all to teleport i wll giv a proper answer later but im in school

FF members were young eithr. Plus he was trying to hurt them and prove this way that he deserves to be a new member of their team..
You can't deny that if FF fought Spidey with purpose to kill him he would've been dead in seconds.

It doesn't take WM and Torch any time to get off the ground.
Before Thor and team teleport and manage to attack they both would be already in the air.

AJ4LIFE

ok maybe but ge has allies now

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
ok maybe but ge has allies now

My team has advantage. Two members of my team worked together for years. Sue and Johny know each other better than anyone else. In the fight this is important factor.

AJ4LIFE

u may have the teamwork factor but i have the factor of having a god and a undwater king whyll u got a iron man wannabe now thats an important factor

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
u may have the teamwork factor but i have the factor of having a god and a undwater king whyll u got a iron man wannabe now thats an important factor

If having a God in your team is your first argument then i'm gonna win this.

And your underwater king is too far from water.

AJ4LIFE

hey im busy watching a film ill post in it later im watching king kong 05 on pc so cut me some slack

AJ4LIFE

so even without water hes a powerhouse, i dont think yor teamwork idea will work when he takes on ff by himself and thor has took on ultimate marvel i believe at 1 point and thats not even mentionng savage dragon and spederman

u wanna talk about distractions well spideys one the biggest distraction in marvel when he wants to be

is that better sam i didcussed like u wanted to so stop moaning

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
so even without water hes a powerhouse, i dont think yor teamwork idea will work when he takes on ff by himself and thor has took on ultimate marvel i believe at 1 point and thats not even mentionng savage dragon and spederman

u wanna talk about distractions well spideys one the biggest distraction in marvel when he wants to be

is that better sam i didcussed like u wanted to so stop moaning

Glad you finally arrived.

WarM is a match for Namor in strength, plus he has a lot of weapon. Spider-man is getting down fast. So he won't be able to distact anyone.
Don't tell me whom beat Thor. Try to explain what exactly he is going to do against my team.

And read my version of the fight. I mentioned there your teleportation and jumping Dragon. I explained why this won't work.

AJ4LIFE

we r talking about basic wm arent we well wait there a minite then

AJ4LIFE

http://www.marveldirectory.com/strengthlevels/70.htm

this is wm,

but namor at his full strength is 85 st first he will be able to batter him, beore he gets weakened he will ahve crushed him

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
http://www.marveldirectory.com/strengthlevels/70.htm

this is wm,

but namor at his full strength is 85 st first he will be able to batter him, beore he gets weakened he will ahve crushed him

I know who WM is. On this site there is nothing said about his strength class.
WM is almost as strong as Ironman who is class 100. WM is somewhere near class 90

AJ4LIFE

no hes not, look it says Strength Levels 70 ton range anh guess whos in it wm so i think he can be beat by namor

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
no hes not, look it says Strength Levels 70 ton range anh guess whos in it wm so i think he can be beat by namor

What do you mean who is in WM? There is a guy in Ironman suit either. So what? It didn't stoped him from beating Hulk.

Class 70? That directory says Venom is class 11. You shouldn't trust everything you read in directories. That was original WM. In his last appearance he was stronger than that. Just like IM wasn't originally class 100, and Colossus wasn't class 100.

samishe

Same directory says Namor if not in water is class 85. look.

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/s/submariner.htm

Wikipedia says he is class 100. Again dont trust everything you read.

AJ4LIFE

so yor using the exra poweful wm r u fine i just zapp u all with lightning straight away its quiker than iw, im sorry but u dont listen so i may aswell just use full power,

heres another therey, he calls down a thunder bolt and she is to fast with a her sheild and so he telleports in there and just uses the most powerful atack the hammer has and just beats them all he is to powerful if he uses full ablities

AJ4LIFE

yeah but it also says it deteriates over a while so it doesnt go from 85 to 40 does it, it takes days, he was out of water for dys before and he was still tough enough to kick ass

samishe

Teleports where? Through the shield? And if she makes a small forcefield? where the hell he'll gona teleport then?

And again read my variant of the fight. I read yours and countered everything. Now you try.

Torch ain't gonna let Thor attack his sis.

samishe

Originally posted by samishe
This is how i see this fight from the beginning to the end.

Thor teleports all AJ team on the other side of a pit, behind my team.
While they were teleporting Torch and WM flew up, Venom jumped of the way of AJ team and Sue made a forcefield to avoid possible attack.
Thor and Namor are trying to break through Sue forcefield. Torch attacks them both to stop them from attacking his sister. Namor dodges flame and flyes to fight WM. Torch fights Thor. Since nobody distracting Sue she could concentrate on Spider. She becomes invicible to make sure nobody would hurt her. She makes a forcefield and kills Spider with it. Torch is still flying circles around Thor and shoots flames at him.
Namor is going to attack WM but Venom shoots webbing in his eyes to distract him. Meanwhile Sue uses her forcefield to take some lava from the pit. She moves it right at Namor and sprays it at him. Namor distracted by Venom's web can't dodge in time...
WM shoots rockets at Savage Dragon, Dragon somehow avoids them(thats what AJ says) and jumps on WM. Now they both are flying in the air. Savage Dragon holds WM and doesn't let go. Savage Dragon is strong so WM couldn't outfight him in the air. So he flies to the pit and when they both above the lava he shakes off Dragon who falls right into the pit.
Now all three join Torch in fight against Thor.

Here read again.

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
yeah but it also says it deteriates over a while so it doesnt go from 85 to 40 does it, it takes days, he was out of water for dys before and he was still tough enough to kick ass

This directory says his strength is max at class 85. Wikipedia says maximum at class 100.

AJ4LIFE

but i dont see any of that ahpening, i will later im busy, anyway how can they all fit in then, i dont htink shell make one thats not giving anyone any room so he'll just wupp them, ill counter yors when u have proven to me how yor counters will work ok

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
but i dont see any of that ahpening, i will later im busy, anyway how can they all fit in then, i dont htink shell make one thats not giving anyone any room so he'll just wupp them, ill counter yors when u have proven to me how yor counters will work ok

Read carefully, she makes shield only for herself. Others are using their speed to protect themselvs and to attack your team.

AJ4LIFE

i think they arent fast enough to dodge lighning bolts do u

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
i think they arent fast enough to dodge lighning bolts do u

Whell if they fly at the full speed they could get of lightnings range before it hits them. Plus what makes you think they would be seatting ducks for him. Thor would have to guard himself from Nova Flames so he won't have time to use his lightning bolts.

AJ4LIFE

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askas...99/gen99096.htm

take a look and see how they dodge it especially when they dont expect it

samishe

Human Torch could fly almost at the speed of sound. Dodging lightning at the full speed won't be a problem for him. Plus according to forum rules all characters know everything about each other so Torch expects bolts from Thor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Torch_(Johnny_Storm)

AJ4LIFE

yeah adsactly they know about each other so they know who to take out and how

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
yeah adsactly they know about each othe so thor knows to take out iw and torch straight away with lighning bolts

I think i already explained why this isn't happening. Even if he knows anything he won't have time to do it. You started fight from teleportation. Meanwhile Sue makes shield, Torch flyes with his top speed.

AJ4LIFE

and while this is happening venom has neen hit by lightning and id laying on the floor and is out cold while namor sis taking out wm

give me a while to go over plan cause im busy at moment

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
and while this is happening venom has neen hit by lightning and id laying on the floor and is out cold while namor sis taking out wm

give me a while to go over plan cause im busy at moment

How Namor can beat WM. They are almost equel in strength plus WM has weapons.

At page two i showed Venom catching bullet. He ain't gonna be hit by lightning.

AJ4LIFE

oh come on lightning is no where the same speed as a bullet, if u say its so far from the sky well just look its a load of them coming one after another so only one will be needed so it will be like blur its so fast

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
oh come on lightning is no where the same speed as a bullet, if u say its so far from the sky well just look its a load of them coming one after another so only one will be needed so it will be like blur its so fast

Doesn't matter. He is fast enough to jump far away from the range.

Now how do you like that? Sue make forcefield around all my team except Torch. Torch flyes up and Blast the whole football field with Nova Flame. Everything is on fire. All your team dies.

AJ4LIFE

ok thor blasts entire side that yor team r on and brakes force feild adventually, dont be stupid with stuff like that cause i always win with lightning

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
ok thor blasts entire side that yor team r on and brakes force feild adventually, dont be stupid with stuff like that cause i always win with lightning

That's what force field is for. Does someone from your team has forcefield? Don't think so.

samishe

Continue tomorrow, bye.

AJ4LIFE

bye see u tomorow

samishe

Ok AJ, lets continue where we ended yesterday.

In this fight your main argument was that Thor kills everybody with lightning bolts. I gave you many explanations why this ain't gonna happen.

Now you try to explain what your team could do about Super Nova?

So, IW makes a forcefield around all my team except Johnny. He flyes up and blasts all football field with Nova Flame. Everything is on fire with temperature 1000000 degrees.

So, any ideas?

AJ4LIFE

no i was countering wat u said about super nova, it will be quiker for lightning to strike than him flying i the air and summoning the nova while in this time i have struck him with lightning and while this is happening the sheild is taking a hamering

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
no i was countering wat u said about super nova, it will be quiker for lightning to strike than him flying i the air and summoning the nova while in this time i have struck him with lightning and while this is happening the sheild is taking a hamering

No hold a sec. When you was telling me about your lightning attack you was assuming that my team will just stand there and watch.

I gave explanation that first of all my team won't allow Thor attack with lightning but if he somehow mannaged to attack, my team could protect themself from lightning.
Now you tell what your team could do if Torch managed to attack with Nova flames.
Plus flying with speed of sound is enough to avoid lightnings.

AJ4LIFE

im saying lightning is faster than torch flying high in the sky and summoning the power to do lightning they will have to becasue they will be in a sheild i can direct my lightning at a certain point so i make lightning hit the sheild and lightning hit johnny, johnny isnt fast enough to avoid lightning especialy when hes preparing to do something i dont think sues sheild is stong enough to being hit by lighning over and over again or he can do it in one continues one

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
im saying lightning is faster than torch flying high in the sky and summoning the power to do lightning they will have to becasue they will be in a sheild i can direct my lightning at a certain point so i make lightning hit the sheild and lightning hit johnny, johnny isnt fast enough to avoid lightning especialy when hes preparing to do something i dont think sues sheild is stong enough to being hit by lighning over and over again or he can do it in one continues one

Ok. This way then. Sue make shield around team and the same time guards Johnny from possible lightning attack. To attack with Super Nova it would take him only a couple of seconds.

So, you can't hit him with lightning and you can't hit anyone with lightning. So i repeat my question.

What is your team gonna do about Flames with temperature 1000000 degrees?

AJ4LIFE

well how is he gonna release flames with sheild around him and if he does thor just teleports in th sheild then and blasts him with electrcity from hammer

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
well how is he gonna release flames with sheild around him and if he does thor just teleports in th sheild then and blasts him with electrcity from hammer

Shield isn't around him. It's above him, protects him from lightning.

How could Thor teleport there and hit him, Johnny flies at speed of sound.

AJ4LIFE

ok he blasts lightning from sheild while hes under him, where does it say he flys at speed at sound i want to see for myself

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
ok he blasts lightning from sheild while hes under him, where does it say he flys at speed at sound i want to see for myself

Shield + speed of sound = no lightning attack.

Here. You know you shuold trust my words.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Torch_%28Johnny_Storm%29

AJ4LIFE

i do trust u but i want to see it myself

samishe

So, lightning ain't working. So what your team will gonna do about Nova Flame? I really wan't you to answer this question.

AJ4LIFE

i want proof that lightning wont brake her force feild has anyone got any scans of lightning or something stronger hitting it

samishe

Her fields are neary indestructible. There are things in comic book world that hit much harder than lightning and still not hard enough to break through her force field.

Here is your proof.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_Woman

samishe

So, my point is that Super Nova would kill all your team.

AJ4LIFE

lightlisten if ui make a force feild he will just teleort behind or in front of torch and blast him with lightning from the hammer, and then he can telpeport in side the force feild and blast the with his most powerful atack

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
lightlisten if ui make a force feild he will just teleort behind or in front of torch and blast him with lightning from the hammer, and then he can telpeport in side the force feild and blast the with his most powerful atack

Ok, answer the simple question. If Torch hits your team with Super Nova would they die? Just answer.

AJ4LIFE

oh ok, yes they would but answer this me would yors die if they were hit wih lightning

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
oh ok, yes they would but answer this me would yors die if they were hit wih lightning

You are changing the subject. So you admit they would die. So this is it.
There is really now way for your team to stop Torch from using Super Nova. Thor won't be able to react fast enough. And unlike your team my team has forcefield to protect them. So even if Thor managed to attack with lightning my team can guard themselvs. Your team can't...

AJ4LIFE

how can yor team protect themselves when thors in there aswell thor is ready because they planned wat they are gonna do

samishe

Originally posted by AJ4LIFE
how can yor team protect themselves when thors in there aswell thor is ready because they planned wat they are gonna do

May be your team has plan but it doesn't mean they know exactly what my team would do. How would they protect themself? Again, with forcefield. Thor just couln't do anything to Torch that flyes with sound speed and protected with shield. Thor also can't do anything to stop him from using Super Nova.

AJ4LIFE

yor forgteting that thor can also fly very fast with hammer and can teleport and can blast lightning from hammer which is very fast, all those cmbind can catch him i think

samishe

Not through forcefield.

AJ4LIFE

does the force feild follow him around automaticly or does iw have to do it

samishe

She controls the field. And she could make it folow Johnny if that what you're asking about.

AJ4LIFE

if hes moving so fast how can she keep up with him, i want to end it now so just post how u think the battle will happen and ill post wta will happen and contact the ones that have been looking at it at begining, pm them cause im bored now, dont post arguements when i done mine because its got boring

samishe

Ok, i already posted above but i'll repeat.

WM shoots rocket at your team to distract them. IW makes forcefield around all members my team, except Torch. he flyes up and Sue makes field to protect him from possible attacks(she could protect him with field above his head, and make field on the side where Thor is standing). It takes Torch only a couple of seconds to attack with Super Nova. Force field protects my team from flames. Your team is getting down.

The End

I know it differs from what i was saying at the beginning of thread, but so your arguments either.