hugg wrote:I agree, however we are looking more and more like Mexico. Middle class is disappearing. The middle class is what makes this country great. Obama is clearly more sympathetic to the middle class.

Not only Obama, all Dems. I do not agree with all Dem. issues but how can i vote for a party that trying to knock me down. The trickle down thing does not work for me. I can not afford $ to be a Rep.

The total for the new package is at 825 billion. They asked an Analyist why it is not the Trillion that Obama has mentioned and the Analyist said after all the add-ons (pork) it will be up to the expected Trillion or more. I guess pork is when the bridge/road repairs/ wooden arrow makers/ etc... is in a district that doesn't benefit you. If it benefits you it is stimulus.

So called "pork" is a red herring. The government collects money. It is the House of Representative's JOB to APPORTION the money that comes in. Anyone who claims they can "eliminate pork" is an idiot or a liar.

If they want to eliminate things like adding unrelated EPA laws onto Coast Guard funding bills, that would be one thing. But I think D.C. would shut down if they couldn't make each other look bad. If they can't say "The president hates the Coast Guard because he vetoed my bill!" and never telling anyone it was because of some BS that was tacked on at the last minute, they wouldn't know how to get anything done.

And finally, please, anyone who thinks there is a difference between R's and D's, look again.

D's= Tax and spend

R's= Borrow and spend.

And now Obama is continuing the Bush legacy of borrow and spend and telling us he "has" to do it.

No one ever taxed their way to prosperity or borrowed their way out of debt.....

Keep on buying gold and silver. Their value is inflation proof. When the U.S. dollar becomes worthless gold and silver will still have value. So go on Obama spend away, I will keep my money. Don't put all your eggs in one basket.

Every president takes an oath to "defend the Constitution" and Lincoln made Bush look like a piker.

Every state voluntarily joined the union, and Lincoln made sure no state could voluntarily withdraw. Who gave him that power?

Section 10 - Powers prohibited of States

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

Every president takes an oath to "defend the Constitution" and Lincoln made Bush look like a piker.

Every state voluntarily joined the union, and Lincoln made sure no state could voluntarily withdraw. Who gave him that power?

Section 10 - Powers prohibited of States

No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts; pass any Bill of Attainder, ex post facto Law, or Law impairing the Obligation of Contracts, or grant any Title of Nobility.

No State shall, without the Consent of the Congress, lay any Imposts or Duties on Imports or Exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it's inspection Laws: and the net Produce of all Duties and Imposts, laid by any State on Imports or Exports, shall be for the Use of the Treasury of the United States; and all such Laws shall be subject to the Revision and Controul of the Congress.

No State shall, without the Consent of Congress, lay any duty of Tonnage, keep Troops, or Ships of War in time of Peace, enter into any Agreement or Compact with another State, or with a foreign Power, or engage in War, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent Danger as will not admit of delay.

And where in all that does it say they can't secede from the US?

The legislatures of each state voted to VOLUNTARILY join the union. Are you saying that is a one way street? Once they join the union, they become owned by the union?

Aw hell, I'll go further, since the S/N ratio won't be adversely affected for the ostriches on the board.

This mess was created by an under-regulated "free" market, which fostered rapacious greed that ultimately took the form of bizarre "tranches" and even abject ponzi-scheme stealing. While I don't think that environment was created by Congress, it can fairly be said that Congress did little to stop it. (Nor could it, really, with veto threats and the modern 60-vote Senate.)

But all of that happened way before Obama got to D.C.; it started with the "de-industrialization" of America in Reagan's time. Now we call it "globalization," which is market-speak for "we don't build anything anymore."

That "free market" party's over. That you can be sure Obama will indeed "pull off."