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IAOFM wants PFT to know thereís more to rushing the passer than just sacks

Aldon Smith wants Von Miller to know who leads the league in sacks

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profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

Miller is a phenomenal player who was last yearís defensive rookie of the year, but Smith is making a strong case that heís the premier pass rusher from last yearís draft. Smith had 14 sacks last year to Millerís 11.5, and Smithís total of 29 sacks in his first 26 NFL games are the most any player has ever had in the first 26 games of his career.

Whether Smith or Miller is the better player may boil down to a matter of personal preference. Suffice to say, both the 49ers and the Broncos are very pleased with their first-round draft picks from last year.

Personal preference - or a willingness to look beyond the simple comfort of a traditional stat - as we were just discussing with our friends Mike Trout and Miguel Cabrera.

By PFF's accounting, Von has 61 pressures (13 sacks, 11 hits, 37 hurries) in 663 snaps (9.2%), while Smith has 43 pressures (15 sacks, 9 hits, 19 hurries) in 618 snaps 7.0%). It's not exactly a close call. The site's grades say the same thing - they have Von at +60.1, and Smith at +14.6.

According to Brian Burke, Von also beats Smith in WPA (1.10 to 0.70), EPA (48.0 to 34.5), and Success Count (44 to 37).

For an article that claims it comes down to thinking vs not thinking, it sure left a lot of intelligent thought out.

First, a hit or a hurry is no guarantee that it negatively affected the other teams ability to gain yards. A hit could come just after a QB threw a TD pass. Heck, Julius Peppers had 2 QB hurries on Kaepernick Monday Night. The result? 2/2 for 80 yards.

Without some sort of actual analysis on how many of those QB hits or hurries resulted in negative plays we cannot determine if Von Miller has made anymore positive Defensive plays than Aldon.

If my assumption is correct and the success count is the number of plays that resulted in a positive outcome for the defense is correct, it shows the true ridiculousness of the article.

Von Miller leads 44 to 37, but he has more snaps, so he has a "success" 6.6% of the time. Aldon has a "success" 6.0% of the time. A lot closer at first glance. But if you look at Von Miller's successes relative to his actual Sacks/Pressures/Hits you'll see his pressure results in a success 72% of the time, where as Aldon's is at 86%.

If I'm misinterpreting that stat, please let me know.

Additionally, if you can provide anything that shows his hits/pressures actually benefited the defense, I'd love to see it.

Personally, I know the only sure fire way to know whether your pressure negatively impacted the offense. It's called a sack. And Aldon seems to have a lot of those...

So because Miller has more hurries than Smith in 45 more snaps, while being close to hits and beaten in sacks, he's far and away better. Riiiiiight. Tackles are also separated by a very slim margin. So to recap, in exactly 45 more snaps played than Smith, while being statistically equal or beaten in all categories but one by Smith, he's better.

Apparently you're not familiar with what a percentage is are you?

Originally Posted by valade16

For an article that claims it comes down to thinking vs not thinking, it sure left a lot of intelligent thought out.

First, a hit or a hurry is no guarantee that it negatively affected the other teams ability to gain yards. A hit could come just after a QB threw a TD pass. Heck, Julius Peppers had 2 QB hurries on Kaepernick Monday Night. The result? 2/2 for 80 yards.

Without some sort of actual analysis on how many of those QB hits or hurries resulted in negative plays we cannot determine if Von Miller has made anymore positive Defensive plays than Aldon.

If my assumption is correct and the success count is the number of plays that resulted in a positive outcome for the defense is correct, it shows the true ridiculousness of the article.

Von Miller leads 44 to 37, but he has more snaps, so he has a "success" 6.6% of the time. Aldon has a "success" 6.0% of the time. A lot closer at first glance. But if you look at Von Miller's successes relative to his actual Sacks/Pressures/Hits you'll see his pressure results in a success 72% of the time, where as Aldon's is at 86%.

If I'm misinterpreting that stat, please let me know.

Additionally, if you can provide anything that shows his hits/pressures actually benefited the defense, I'd love to see it.

Personally, I know the only sure fire way to know whether your pressure negatively impacted the offense. It's called a sack. And Aldon seems to have a lot of those...

Miller leads him in epa, wpa and success count. Which basically shows what you're asking.

He could very well end up with the record. He has a hell of a team surrounding him, so he'll likely be in great position to get it. His defense should be capable of holding a lead against the teams they play, so he'll be able to focus on the pass-rush late in the game.