Re: Women, do you understand how remarkably wounding you can be to a man? Especially Intellectual men?

How do you like that guy saying he hates women who look like Barbie dolls but are strong inside? What a creep. I guess he wants a woman who is so weak and helpless that she can be controlled into being another soulless wreck like himself.

These men don't respect people, let alone women. They probably don't even resepct themselves. They need to become better people if that is possible. I can't see any normal stable woman wanting them for anything.

Very terrible and scary how these men are. I can't even believe they are real. They might just be Muslim psy-ops or something.

If you pick on women, you are picking a fight you won't win. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Remember that. Satan tried that in the Garden of Eden and failed. Mankind is still here and going strong. You haters of women will meet your just reward, mark my words, SCUM.

Re: Women, do you understand how remarkably wounding you can be to a man? Especially Intellectual men?

Actually, we've just realized how easy you are...like a small child. Try to be a little more intellectually challenging. Many women I know just see guys as easy dumb dogs. And you guys really are. You are so easy. And like dogs if this upsets you, you attack us, maul us, rape us.

We are realizing a lot about the males and the way we've been abused, treated like property, and degraded for thousands of years. We are just tired of it and don't have to put up with your shit anymore.

We are evolving.

You are not.

You are still dumb cave men saying, "Where is my woman to take care of me and make me feel good. I need someone to be nice to me, I'm so fragile. Man law. Man law. Man cave"

Man up, evolve and grow up, men! Strong, kind, witty, smart, funny....that is what we look for in a man. Not your sniveling whinny ass.

Re: Women, do you understand how remarkably wounding you can be to a man? Especially Intellectual men?

It sounds like women are mirroring what you give out. You sound like you're either a Virgo or have Mars in Virgo -- this can turn even straight men into a bit of a shrinking violet. If women sense you retreating, they're going to pull back as well.

It's the law of attraction, you get back what you give out.

Consider that. And deal. We can be kind to each other but women are not on earth to make you happy, and vice versa.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1238594

Oh, and for the record, I have two college degrees and an IQ just south of 140 and work as a writer, so I'm not anti-intellectual.

Re: Women, do you understand how remarkably wounding you can be to a man? Especially Intellectual men?

It sounds like women are mirroring what you give out. You sound like you're either a Virgo or have Mars in Virgo -- this can turn even straight men into a bit of a shrinking violet. If women sense you retreating, they're going to pull back as well.

It's the law of attraction, you get back what you give out.

Consider that. And deal. We can be kind to each other but women are not on earth to make you happy, and vice versa.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1238594

Oh, and for the record, I have two college degrees and an IQ just south of 140 and work as a writer, so I'm not anti-intellectual.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1238594

Oh I understood what you said and I found it to be intersting. These people don't know what intellectual means. They just ramble on and babble on. There is no thought or depth to what they spout, only anger.

They think neurotic is the same as intellectual. Their intellects are next to nil.

Hell, many Western countries now offer BREEDING INCENTIVES! OZ was handing out cash, the US has all kinds of tax breaks and rebates for kids.

Buy yourself a clue, people. They want you to BREED. They need MOAR bodies for their pyramid scheme economics.

Open your eyes. Think carefully about what you do. You can't return kids. And once you have them you are *locked down* into working and have less opportunity to quit The System, better yourself, start a biz that may compete with their interests, etc.

They want the albatross of kids around your neck. Male or female. This Propaganda targets females more as they bear the children.

They'll be Propagandizing toward men too, soon enough. Keep your eyes open and don't fall for the BS.

Hell, many Western countries now offer BREEDING INCENTIVES! OZ was handing out cash, the US has all kinds of tax breaks and rebates for kids.

Buy yourself a clue, people. They want you to BREED. They need MOAR bodies for their pyramid scheme economics.

Open your eyes. Think carefully about what you do. You can't return kids. And once you have them you are *locked down* into working and have less opportunity to quit The System, better yourself, start a biz that may compete with their interests, etc.

They want the albatross of kids around your neck. Male or female. This Propaganda targets females more as they bear the children.

They'll be Propagandizing toward men too, soon enough. Keep your eyes open and don't fall for the BS.

Re: Women, do you understand how remarkably wounding you can be to a man? Especially Intellectual men?

How do you like that guy saying he hates women who look like Barbie dolls but are strong inside? What a creep. I guess he wants a woman who is so weak and helpless that she can be controlled into being another soulless wreck like himself.

These men don't respect people, let alone women. They probably don't even resepct themselves. They need to become better people if that is possible. I can't see any normal stable woman wanting them for anything.

Very terrible and scary how these men are. I can't even believe they are real. They might just be Muslim psy-ops or something.

If you pick on women, you are picking a fight you won't win. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Remember that. Satan tried that in the Garden of Eden and failed. Mankind is still here and going strong. You haters of women will meet your just reward, mark my words, SCUM.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1292002

First of all quote my text DO NOT change my words. You are like the media...

I said I do not like the girls that look like barbie dolls and are bat shit crazy.

I had girls lure me into their trap to "fix" me and then when I said that life is looking up they left me.

How am I the crazy one?

They find a man who has just lost his girlfriend, watched her die, go through 4 surgeries (me), and then try to fix me by acting like they are compassionate about me.

Then, once I feel that she is genuine and I can open up my bubble I let them know I feel better, I am happy because I finally found someone worthwhile (yes, OF COURSE to my standards..we are all different...) they go what? And then they leave me because they actually did a good job at giving my life meaning and hope again.

Then I am left alone, confused, at a loss for words and you people say I am the creep?

You are the one with problems.

I have since (2 years now) figured out the ones that want to fix me and leave me once they fix me. THOSE are the barbie dolls. The ones that get your attention because they are indeed attractive. Just to find out that they are batshit crazy.

Like i said before, you are the one with the problems. You read what I wrote and CHANGE the context/syntax completely and make me look like a creep...

See...there you go...you are the one that has problems.

Anyways,

I never said that women being independent was a bad thing.

I said that they abuse being independent and become highly egotistical.

Case in point your quoted text.

Changing the syntax to your own view of men and spreading a false message.

Re: Women, do you understand how remarkably wounding you can be to a man? Especially Intellectual men?

Well said OP. I haven't asked out a woman for these reasons for the last three years. All the women I am attracted to physically are Mz. Independent types that don't need a man. They really want a man but are sending out the wrong signal.

Re: Women, do you understand how remarkably wounding you can be to a man? Especially Intellectual men?

Well said OP. I haven't asked out a woman for these reasons for the last three years. All the women I am attracted to physically are Mz. Independent types that don't need a man. They really want a man but are sending out the wrong signal.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1230442

I guess that's what I have been trying to say all along.

Not good at writing all my thoughts into a little paragraph like that haha!

Re: Women, do you understand how remarkably wounding you can be to a man? Especially Intellectual men?

stuff and stuff

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1363844

I just wanted to say something to you. I've also had beloved partners die. I'm so sorry for your loss, and that to make it worse you had to go through the surgeries and pain during such a time of grief to make matters worse.

Please consider the possibility that you chose women who would comfort and fix you... and that it wasn't unreasonable for them to depart when their role was finished. I know that's a strange idea/concept, but please consider it, and forgive them for your own sake.

I hope that you find comfort for the grief of the losses, both holding your beloved while she died, and losing those who came after.

Re: Women, do you understand how remarkably wounding you can be to a man? Especially Intellectual men?

Women today are not giving us any cues that they want to be asked out, and without some indication or encouragement that he might be well received, a man is not going to risk the rejection—which men are far more sensitive to than women evidently realize.

The days of men asking women out are gone! Women don't even take the time to do little unspoken things, that interest a man. Something basic to our culture is being lost. No wonder so many women are so unhappy.

In fact, many men have come to think women don't even like men, because of the way women react to their initial overtures, yet, the women wonder why men aren't asking them out, they're either not saying yes, or they're not sending the signals

One of the rarest qualities to find in a young woman today—at least towards eligible men—was kindness. So many men are simply starving for kindness from a woman but so often find sarcasm and cynicism instead. One man commented to me on a climate nowadays of a prevailing hostility among women towards men. It is easy for a man to feel that some women are actually looking to find fault, ready to pounce on him at the slightest ill-chosen word or misspoken comment. In women this can manifest in self-righteousness, or a kind of assumed moral superiority over men—often unconscious on their part. Men complain that they often feel around women that they cannot win, or say or do anything right. Such women drive men away.

Perhaps women today may have good reasons for these attitudes, but they are very wounding to a man, especially to an interested man who is serious, sincere, and sensitive. Such a man will not ask such a woman out.

He simply doesn't want to be around it. I understand that in today's world it can be imprudent and even downright dangerous for a woman to be too kind too soon to a man she doesn't know well, and even then there still is chance of betrayal. The Sexual Revolution has ruined it for everyone as far as trust goes, but sarcasm and cynicism towards men have become epidemic in our society, and it has become so ingrained, so second-nature, that most women are not even conscious that they're being that way—but the men are. And they go the other way.

In terms of the risk factor, traditionally it has always been up to the woman to control how far things went and how fast, and, if she liked him, still keep the man captivated. In the confusion of the day that that was perhaps one more thing that was lost, or at least severely damaged. What has been lost,is an ancient womanly wisdom that women in previous ages had always intuitively known, on how to "handle" (not manipulate) a man—that is, how to anticipate him and keep him happy.

A modern woman might interpret this sort of thing as "game playing" but it is not. It is a deadly serious business that holds civilization together. Quails and pelicans have their mating rituals and dances and so do humans.

We all know that women have a need, especially in marriage, to be reassured that they are loved and cherished—they want to hear it. And a man who thinks that his love ought to be self-evident is thought to be rather obtuse in these matters. He should tell her he loves her often, as well as show it on every possible occasion. Yet, a man has a corresponding need for reassurance from the woman he loves, which society tends to ridicule, especially since the rise of feminism. His need is to be admired.

It is the way men are made.

A man needs to feel that he is a hero in the eyes of the woman he loves. It may sound corny, and most men may not admit it, but real life is corny, and it is true. It is from such admiration that a man derives his strength. The quest for this admiration, either in the eyes of a specific woman, or hoping to catch the eye of a woman, supplies him with inspiration and motivation to serve and accomplish in his world.

There are women, thanks perhaps to the effects of feminism, who act as though there were some sort of anathema against showing a man admiration, as if to say, "I'm not going to feed his stupid ego!" But, perhaps if his ego were fed once in a while he wouldn't be in the state of starvation that so diminishes a man as to prod him into the very ways that women find so intolerable. The result is a seemingly endless cycle of resentment and mutual punishment.

Many women appear to have unwittingly made it a point of pride to take an unhealthy (if unconscious) pleasure in denying men what they most need by reacting to them with sarcasm, cynicism, laughs at the expense of men, and a general attitude derived from the world. Many of these cynical attitudes towards men become self-fulfilling prophecies so discouraging to a man that he may start to live down to the belittlement, just as he would live up to praise were it offered. Male ego only becomes a problem when it is undernourished. Properly fed, it spends less time rebelling and trying to feed itself in unattractive and self-defeating ways. Properly fed, it causes a man to strive to be the best that he can be for the woman he loves and the society he serves. Some women may take offense at what I'm saying here, as though I were placing the whole onus of the problem on women.

I am not.

It is important not to confuse the generalities of politics and rhetoric with the tender particularities of where we most essentially live. The question at hand is why women aren't getting asked out more often. This is not an unimportant issue. It is important to remember that contemporary society is under a profound malaise, with everything good, pure, and holy coming under attack.

One of the chief things under attack is the family, the home. And if family is under attack then it stands to reason that everything that leads up to family—namely how men and women find each other—is also under attack.

I have noticed that most women do not have the foggiest idea how men feel, or what men feel, and most men feel too vulnerable to tell them. Some women are so embittered as to no longer care. They may be beyond my reach. In any case, the fact remains that I know men who have actually given up on women—who have, after so many rebuffs, come to the conclusion that women simply don't like men.

Men are far more vulnerable to women than women can even imagine. Men are sensitive to things in women that women are not even aware of. The slightest bit of sarcasm from a women in whom he's interested can cause him to call off the whole pursuit. A woman who thinks this weak on the man's part simply doesn't know how men are built and what men are feeling these days. We live in a culture that sinfully exploits women, but many women have retaliated by vengefully diminishing men with their tongues and attitudes. There is much healing needed on both sides.

While not seeking a slavish dependence, a man needs to be needed by the woman he loves, yet the constant message sent (ad nasuem) by the modern woman is "I'm strong and independent! I don't need a man!" Of course, this is a hollow and defensive cry and betrays her bitter disappointment in men—otherwise she wouldn't need to announce it so much—but men hear it at face value and retreat.

A man may admire a woman for her strong independent qualities, but let her start telling him of them often enough and what he hears is "Well, she doesn't need me then!" and his eye begins to wander in search of someone who does. A man may respect a women for her independence, but he will cherish and love her for appreciating and needing (and in so doing bringing out) his manliness.

If a woman were to ask my advice on how to get a man interested in her, I would tell her to pay attention to him. Listen to him. The world in which a man lives is very cold and competitive, and when a woman creates a safe place where a man may open himself up, it is usually irresistible to him. But this requires reverence.

Should she show the slightest hint of ridicule over what he says, or take him lightly he will turn to stone. Listen to what is important to him, his hopes and dreams. Most men when they talk like this are rather admirable and if she admires him she should not hide it. She need not make a show of it—which he would see through—it must be real. If it is authentic it is not "game playing", but honesty. If she were interested in him in the first place that implies some admiration, doesn't it? It would be game playing not to admire him.

The old saying that men are only interested in "one thing" namely sex, is cynical and false. Men who become that way do so because they have given up on love and the hope that a woman would really receive him if he did open up to her.

What does a man look for in a woman? In a word, a home. To a little child, a woman (usually its mother) is a place. This is not to say a thing. It is to say a home. And only a person can be a home. This is what a man looks for in the woman who would be his wife. This is not to say that it is her job to raise him—certainly not—but the shelter she provides for him emotionally, where he may be himself, generally makes him better, stronger, more of a man, and inspires him to provide for her and shelter her physically. Indeed, to the point of laying down his life.

If a woman gives a man what he really needs—genuine interest, understanding, and acceptance of him as he really is, he will ask her out, and keep coming back for more.

Quoting: Confounded Intellectual. 856860

This could've been written in 1954.

The 1950s were a horrible horrible time to be a woman. Thank god it's past. If a woman genuinely likes a man, it will show. And hey, buddy, likewise! If a man likes a woman he'd better show HER some interest and respect and not expect to be the only recipient of said graces. Lord what a neandertal you are.

Re: Women, do you understand how remarkably wounding you can be to a man? Especially Intellectual men?

stuff and stuff

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1363844

I just wanted to say something to you. I've also had beloved partners die. I'm so sorry for your loss, and that to make it worse you had to go through the surgeries and pain during such a time of grief to make matters worse.

Please consider the possibility that you chose women who would comfort and fix you... and that it wasn't unreasonable for them to depart when their role was finished. I know that's a strange idea/concept, but please consider it, and forgive them for your own sake.

I hope that you find comfort for the grief of the losses, both holding your beloved while she died, and losing those who came after.

:huggle:

Quoting: Sandi_T

Thanks for your kind words :)

I have forgiven those who did "damage" if you may call it that.

Maybe I was looking for fixing, but it's all such a blur!

But I will not forgive those who have not sinned.

If that makes sense?

So now that I have a pretty good idea of what not to look for I find the hints and walk away.

Maybe I seem like the jackass in the short few days of meeting them and then leaving. Maybe they are genuine. Or maybe I just need more time?

One step after the other and eventually I'll get to where I need to be

Re: Women, do you understand how remarkably wounding you can be to a man? Especially Intellectual men?

Without having read ANYTHING of this thread but the title and jumping in directly on page 16, I still think I can summarize this thread:

"Whiney beta male malets moan and complain about the dating scene in some pathetic, sneaker-shuffling self-pitying emoish way. Perhaps with a dash of passive-aggressive narcissism thrown in (anyone who self-describes as an "intellectual" is probably a narcissist with no reason to be one). Then, in the following pages, like sharks drawn to the tang of fresh chum in bloody waters, the more extremely damaged males descend on the thread to vent their grotesque psychopathic woman-hatred, the product of twisted and scarred psyches. The sombre tone of the thread is leavened occasionally by witty fly-by retorts and observations of a mildly-to-blatently raunchy nature."

That's my summary without having read a single freaking word of this thread. Do I win anything?

Re: Women, do you understand how remarkably wounding you can be to a man? Especially Intellectual men?

Did you even read the link?

School property....

NON HUNTING PROTPERTY

He was charged with fucking trespassing

You know what

You just proved to all of GLP that women are phyco bitches

Your such a fucking troll

I hope they ban you

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1363844

For what, calling out a killer? Maybe you set up the whole thing. Why would a guy be hunting with a pistol at a school? That makes a lot of sense. Then he comes over crying and trying to save everyone? Really. And he thought they were deer?

If you weren't in the woods, how could he think you were deer? This is a crazy ass story. You are proabably some evil redneck that just wanted to kill off his girlfriend.

You know what? You can go to hell for all I care. Go cry to someone dumb enough to care. Not me.

Re: Women, do you understand how remarkably wounding you can be to a man? Especially Intellectual men?

Nice post, many good points you have made. As a woman, it is interesting to hear that men may not be receiving signals, or women may not be sending them. Lots of food for thought there.All I can really do is add my own two cents, which may or may not apply to other women out there.I am a single woman. But i havent always been that way. I was married twice to utter losers. I tried to be a homemaker, and keep house for my "king", but all that did was turn them into children. Some may say I enabled, perhaps I did. I also think men arent what they used to be.

As far as giving out signals go, I do not send any about 99% of the time for a few reasons. One, I am not comfortable with declining offers at all. It is often easier to not act available than to act available and have to turn down guys I am not interested in. I do not know how to "turn it on for just one guy" trying to learn that one!!Also, a few times I would run across a guy I am very interested in, but before I can send any signals, my mind instantly begins tallying up all the effort that would go into attracting and keeping a guy like that for any length of time, and I talk myself out of it. Not lazy, but I do have fibromyalgia, so my energy is limited. I can handle myself most days, and my two children, but I am a realist and I know that at this point if a man was living in my house I wouldbe a complete and utter failure and disappointment to him!! I would love to go on a date now and then, but the reality is that I feel that if I cant offer myself fully then I have no right stringing anyone along, or making implied promises I cant keep. I dont wear make up or sexy clothes for the same reason - if someone makes it through my mental block, I do not want them to do so with a false expectation.I also dont give out signals, because I just cant face the humiliation of putting out a vibe and seeing the guy walk away. I know he knows I made eye contact and smiled for a reason - how embarrassing. just as embarrassing to give a dazzling smile to a guy across the grocery store only to find on closer inspection that he si married.and that is another trouble of the times - people just dont get married anymore. There was a time when if you saw a guy in a grocery store with no wedding band on that he was a confirmed bachelor and looking for a woman. Nowadays half the men in grocery stores with no wedding band are either gay or in a common-law relationship. All the good old rules are no longer applicable, and it just plain sucks. If I had only met the man of my dreams when I was young and healthy, then i would right now have a strong man that loves me and can help me through my hard days and enjoy my good days....my vitality was wasted on a man that got drunk every opportunity, and in the end decided I wasnt really sick and was just faking it all to bother him. oh - where were the good men back then.ok - seriously - i just went into a psycho rant just there. sorry op. guess I have some issues to work out. was any of it enlightening at all or does it all just come across as lunacy and whining????best of luck in your quest for answers.

ooooo - here's a good sugestion. Get someone to make you a t_shirt that says "I am a bachelor" in big letters, then tell me you arent getting signals. Or "not gay, not married"or "ask me out and I wont say no" or bump into me with your grocery cart if you want my attention.