Discussion with Xian on biblical contradictions. - Atheist Nexus2015-03-31T21:45:56Zhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/forum/topics/discussion-with-xian-on?commentId=2182797%3AComment%3A569370&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noWhat you want to do is to get…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2009-10-25:2182797:Comment:5693702009-10-25T21:20:24.346ZMarkFLhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/MarkFL
What you want to do is to get them to explain their own beliefs to you. Bible quoting is and endless maze of contradictions and half statements. What I do that is both respectful and telling is to ask questions about their personal theology. Try, where is God right now and what is he doing? If God created the universe, who created God? If a soul exists how can you tell the difference between the invisible soul and the sub-conscience? If Satan controls the natural world (as many Christians…
What you want to do is to get them to explain their own beliefs to you. Bible quoting is and endless maze of contradictions and half statements. What I do that is both respectful and telling is to ask questions about their personal theology. Try, where is God right now and what is he doing? If God created the universe, who created God? If a soul exists how can you tell the difference between the invisible soul and the sub-conscience? If Satan controls the natural world (as many Christians believe) how do you know that Satan is not tricking you into believing? When God hears a prayer, does he actually hear it and if so, why does he respond in exactly the same way that random chance predicts? If Jesus was the son of God, how did God impregnate Mary? When Jesus ascended to Heaven did he go to a specific place? What the hell do you mean when you say that Jesus died for our sins? Why does his dying help us? Wouldn't it be way better if he didn't die? How do explain all of the inefficient and stupid ways that the world works like childbirth, weather, illness, war etc.? If these things exist, why does God allow the devil to have so much control. Why would God create the devil in the first place? All of the questions should stump the believer and if they don't they will at least expose inconsistencies with their theology. At the same time, the Socratic method is very respectful without being derisive which keeps the dialog going. Questioning demonstrates a genuine willingness to listen, even if the questions are meant to unravel the argument that is being presented. Atheists don't really have a position because we are non-supernatural. Therefore, any argument must consist of breaking down the irrational claims of others. You know, Glen, you'd think t…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2009-10-25:2182797:Comment:5690402009-10-25T15:07:01.839ZChristy Gonzalezhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/ChristyGonzalez
You know, Glen, you'd think that'd work, wouldn't you? I had a similar conversation with my mother recently, though admittedly I did not have the verses to back me up. Her response was simply that god gives everyone free will and already knows who will and who won't accept him. Therefore, it's okay that he kills these people (or sends them to hell, or punishes them or whatever), because they never would have CHOSEN to accept him. I know, I know, just typing this is making me feel crazy.<br />
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You know, Glen, you'd think that'd work, wouldn't you? I had a similar conversation with my mother recently, though admittedly I did not have the verses to back me up. Her response was simply that god gives everyone free will and already knows who will and who won't accept him. Therefore, it's okay that he kills these people (or sends them to hell, or punishes them or whatever), because they never would have CHOSEN to accept him. I know, I know, just typing this is making me feel crazy.<br />
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I wonder why god would create a group of people (like citizens of a particular country, perhaps China, like you suggested), who were less likely to accept him, based solely on geographical location. Of course, there are examples of Chinese people who have converted, so these are the exceptions they use to prove their rule. Unless they think god examines every soul before placing it in a body and decides to place the ones who he knows won't accept him predominantly in a country that is not generally exposed to Christianity. Obviously that's all very circular logic, and not really logical at all, but this is what I run into when using this tactic. After a round of debate like this with my mother, it is clear why I avoid another debate for a while. You're a great resource, Glen…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2009-10-15:2182797:Comment:5536732009-10-15T01:45:16.637ZThe Rock Collectorhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/BrianECartwright
You're a great resource, Glen. Thank you I love shoving this stuff right up xtion arses! I too have a nut at work I love to debate with. He's just as deaf as the rest of them and unable to acknowledge facts. I just love this site! Brian.
You're a great resource, Glen. Thank you I love shoving this stuff right up xtion arses! I too have a nut at work I love to debate with. He's just as deaf as the rest of them and unable to acknowledge facts. I just love this site! Brian. You tube play list from ProfM…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2009-10-12:2182797:Comment:5485372009-10-12T10:05:39.548ZLouis Davouthttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/LouisDavout
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/ProfMTH#p/c/6F8036F680C1DBEB" target="_blank">You tube play list</a> from ProfMTH has some short humorous ones<br />
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Dialogue with a Christian Proselytizer by Todd Allen Gates mentions several good ones. Such as how does one receive salvation? By deed or by faith alone?<br />
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John Armstrong discusses that one and other <a href="http://godvsthebible.com/chapter06" target="_blank">here.</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/ProfMTH#p/c/6F8036F680C1DBEB" target="_blank">You tube play list</a> from ProfMTH has some short humorous ones<br />
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Dialogue with a Christian Proselytizer by Todd Allen Gates mentions several good ones. Such as how does one receive salvation? By deed or by faith alone?<br />
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John Armstrong discusses that one and other <a href="http://godvsthebible.com/chapter06" target="_blank">here.</a> A couple of sources:
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A couple of sources:<br />
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<a href="http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/lineage-of-jesus-faq.htm" target="_blank">http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/lineage-of-jesus-faq.htm</a><br />
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<a href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06410a.htm" target="_blank">http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06410a.htm</a>
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<a href="http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/lineage-of-jesus-faq.htm" target="_blank">http://www.allaboutjesuschrist.org/lineage-of-jesus-faq.htm</a><br />
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<a href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06410a.htm" target="_blank">http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06410a.htm</a> The usual reply to the two di…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2009-10-12:2182797:Comment:5485072009-10-12T08:33:15.092ZStephen Moorehttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/StephenMoore
The usual reply to the two different lineages is that Matthew cites the lineage of Joseph, and Luke cites the lineage of Mary. How Apologists can make such a claim is, quite frankly, absurd. As is plain to read from the text, Luke 3:23-38 is explicit in referring to a male lineage.<br />
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How can one honestly claim <i>(L3:23) And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli, (24) Which was the son of Matthat, which was the…</i>
The usual reply to the two different lineages is that Matthew cites the lineage of Joseph, and Luke cites the lineage of Mary. How Apologists can make such a claim is, quite frankly, absurd. As is plain to read from the text, Luke 3:23-38 is explicit in referring to a male lineage.<br />
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How can one honestly claim <i>(L3:23) And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli, (24) Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son...</i> is a description of Mary's lineage? Not that there's anything wro…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2009-10-12:2182797:Comment:5484282009-10-12T06:29:05.814ZJason Spicerhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/JasonSpicer
Not that there's anything wrong with that. It might be a good idea to bring up Joseph's gay co-daddies the next time some Christer objects to homosexuality. Jesus had 3 grandpas!
Not that there's anything wrong with that. It might be a good idea to bring up Joseph's gay co-daddies the next time some Christer objects to homosexuality. Jesus had 3 grandpas! 3, Who was the father of Jose…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2009-10-12:2182797:Comment:5484142009-10-12T06:02:27.822ZLouishttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/llaldsalhsdaflk
<b>3, Who was the father of Joseph?<br />
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MAT 1:16 The father of Joseph was Jacob.<br />
LUK 3 :23 The father of Joseph was Heli</b><br />
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Joseph had two daddies.
<b>3, Who was the father of Joseph?<br />
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MAT 1:16 The father of Joseph was Jacob.<br />
LUK 3 :23 The father of Joseph was Heli</b><br />
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Joseph had two daddies. Go over how herod died in 4bc…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2009-10-12:2182797:Comment:5483882009-10-12T05:34:43.314ZRyanhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/01d21v7rtkspb
Go over how herod died in 4bc, supposedly 4 years before the jesus character was born.<br />
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Herod and Pilate weren't even alive at the same time.
Go over how herod died in 4bc, supposedly 4 years before the jesus character was born.<br />
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Herod and Pilate weren't even alive at the same time. One of the funniest episodes…tag:www.atheistnexus.org,2009-10-09:2182797:Comment:5445542009-10-09T18:12:42.350ZHiramhttp://www.atheistnexus.org/profile/Hiram
One of the funniest episodes between Jehovah and Moses is when Jehovah flashed him. Have you shared this with your Xtian friends? There's a point in the Bible where Jehovah (who is elsewhere supposed to be invisible and didn't want people to imagine his appearance) allowed Moses to see his resplandent ass for a split second. It's Exodus 33:21-23.
One of the funniest episodes between Jehovah and Moses is when Jehovah flashed him. Have you shared this with your Xtian friends? There's a point in the Bible where Jehovah (who is elsewhere supposed to be invisible and didn't want people to imagine his appearance) allowed Moses to see his resplandent ass for a split second. It's Exodus 33:21-23.