For those that are interested, hayas is a bastardization of the hebrew root להיות lihiyot, "to be." In Hebrew, haya is the past tense of lihiyot, and yihiye is the future tense. Ostensibly, hayas could also be the root for the word yayn, the word used in statements of posession (meaning "there is") through arcane conjugation rules that are common to Hebrew and Nanshilae that we won't delve into, primarily because I don't actually speak the language. I sort of know what a binyan is though.

AShadowsWhisper wrote:Need more numbers as well! I am by no means an expert at this and I could be horribly off at following the proper guidelines and style. Hopefully this has the right nanshilae feel to it! All the "new" numbers are custom (though some have other RL meanings, or are acronyms or something, but it is unintentional) If the right people in the right places don't like this, no worries! But it is here if you'd like to make it official.

Lastly, there could be some errors. I just made this up, so if you see any conflicts or contradictions, don't be afraid to point them out.

I'd like to see actual 1000s used, maybe... also if we can find a way to make numbers stand out without being full of quotes. ex: 11... esra v'hod37... lasha v'sheev100... rish104... rish v'bah200... shta rishen (two hundreds)225... shta rishen shny v'maysh (two hundreds twenty and five)1000... esrish (combining 10 and 100)2000... shta esrishen2148... shta esrishen rish arba v'shmoe10000... esra esrishen100000... rish esrishen1000000... (hey, in case of auctions or number of Shaahesk killed, you know)... uhhh...goodesrish (shortened goodel esrish... big 1000, without the ')

Also while we're on the topic, how about placement? ex: 2nd, 3rd, 4th...?I don't think we'd use specific date arrangements except in rare cases (going back to the lax telling of time by elven standards), but if we did... it would probably be yoom'hod, yoom'shta... "day of one, day of two aka first day, second day"

Now 1st item, 2nd item ... could be doovar'hod, doovar'shta (thing of one, thing of two... ) and the same for children, yeled'hod, yeled'shta (first child, second child)

how's that?

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Also, I have an idea for the dating system I just have to flesh it out a bit. Trying to wrap my head around an elf's and how they view time. Definitely nature oriented like ours is (days, nights, etc.) but from the perspective of an elf. Lengthier and not set to a human's sleep cycle are the big things. Something that if you had to compare them it wouldn't be a 1:1 system.

The verbs table has been reworked on the wiki to allow for easier addition of new ones. The old way had one table, 2 columns. So, when adding a new verb you'd have to copy and paste everything after it in that one column down... a real pain in the ass.

Now, it uses one big table, with 3 columns. In those 3 columns are smaller 2 column tables with the English/common word in one and the Nanshilae word in the other. It looks neater, and because each smaller table covers a letter of the alphabet, it'll make updating that much faster/sane.

I may do the same with nouns and adjectives, thus making the right hand side list a bit obsolete, or we can keep that too. The page does need some cleaning up and organization, however.

A.S.W. and I were talking about cardinal directions (North South East West), and the vibe we got was that they would likely use reference points. So "west" would be more "towards Toran Sharda", "south" "towards M'chek/Mikon's land", and so on.

So with that in mind:

North - galdynWest - torynSouth - mikynEast - niryn (towards the sea)

Also

Up - oryn (towards the light)down - nanyn (towards the fields)

And in a final note... in the numbers section, I'm looking for a clear way to explain the rules of writing out the numbers. The examples are there, to show how and when, I just think the explanation of the rules above it need fine tuning. I'm probably also using the wrong words for explaining a number's place, too. If someone wants to have at it and post how they'd explain the rules here, it'd be appreciated!

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Grunt wrote:A.S.W. and I were talking about cardinal directions (North South East West), and the vibe we got was that they would likely use reference points. So "west" would be more "towards Ferrell", "south" "towards M'chek/Mikon's land", and so on.

Ferrell is significant to the playerbase because there's a server for it. Ferrell's size and (lack of) political attitude pretty much doom it to obscurity in a geopolitical sense. Chances are that west would derive from Orcs or more likely Dracons or Toran Shaarda.

Grunt wrote:A.S.W. and I were talking about cardinal directions (North South East West), and the vibe we got was that they would likely use reference points. So "west" would be more "towards Ferrell", "south" "towards M'chek/Mikon's land", and so on.

Ferrell is significant to the playerbase because there's a server for it. Ferrell's size and (lack of) political attitude pretty much doom it to obscurity in a geopolitical sense. Chances are that west would derive from Orcs or more likely Dracons or Toran Shaarda.

Ferrell was also the bordering country to the west, though Toran Sharda takes up more of the western border and Ferrell is more of a Northern side westerly neighbor...thinking on it, yeah Toran Sharda seems a more likely place.

-feryn +toryn

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It's only been a handful of elven generations that Deglos has existed.

galdyn then.

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Both versions could be correct. I've "heard" older versions of Nanshilae being used before. To older generations galdyn, to newer generations degyn.

It might be over complicating things though, and I'm not suggesting we start several entirely different versions of nanshilae or anything such as that, but perhaps on words that it is easy to come up with and make sense (like the above) it could be done to add a little more flavor to it.

We also have Left and Right, but not back(wards) and forwards. Navigation: It's important!

EDIT:left is "smool" and right is "yemol"Forward: yatsalBack (direction): chesak

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I've added "towards" (mineth) and may work for directional forms of "to" as in I'm going to Le'Or "Eni lulecet mineth Le'Or". Shortening it to "Eni lulecet Le'Or" is also common and acceptable. Using it for "I want to die" is not, it's still assumed in this case. (Eni Retzelath mootas)

Another thing that has been added is a form for "er" nouns (fighter, runner)...

Where the verb is a stem + as, and the noun is a stem + ith, a person would be stem +ithot. If you're speaking in gender based terms, +ithot would be male while ithotan would be female. Plurals come at the end... +ithoten, +ithotanen. Most cases will not take gender into account, however.

Some words exist already as nouns, without being part of the format. One example is "teacher" and another is "traveler". Teacher is "Merah", while the verb "to teach" is "yeravas". Rather than retcon that, Teacher will remain "Merah" for the reason of it being a title of respect. A teacher or mentor is not a "thing" in this case, but a rank of importance.

Traveler, I'm kind of up in the air on. It would be better served following the format, though the noun is also not in the correct form. Simplifying the process of taking a verb stem and making things out of it is a goal in this case.

Currently: To journey: lensoetasTo travel: nensoatas traveler: oollensoa (???) should be lensoetithot or nensoatithota journey: lensoa (???) should be lensoetith or nensoatith ...zoozah.

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Le'Nofaythen was a screwup long ago. Nofaylas is to attack... which (while not fitting the title) didn't work because then they'd be the Attackers of T'Nanshi... Nofayas was added as "to defend" later, but the word still doesn't "fit". Therefore, it's treated as an irregular title/phrase, sort of like oo'good'toova is a shortening of a longer phrase. Le'Nofaythen, or Merah is a title of respect for a teacher.

We don't have a current "ordering" scheme for numbers yet. There's no first, second, third... so, there's no 6th. The number 6 is shaysh. There's no word for division, company, or group yet.

Avenger isn't in the wiki yet, the words there are the ones to use because they've been checked over etc... but if we use Naqam as Avenger..Avenger of Dru'El would be Naqam'Dru'El ... the " T' " you used is short for Tan' which is Land Of... "of" is just a single '

Hand is "yed", so, Le'Yeden'Dru'El are the Hands of Dru'el

to Speak is Dooberas... to make a personal title of a verb, it is the root of the verb (doober) + the noun suffix (ith) + the personal suffix +(ot) ...and if you wish to add a gender for female it would then add + (an) and if there are more than one, +(en)So:A talk or speech: doober +ith = DooberithA speaker: doober +ith + ot = DooberithotA speaker (female, if it matters): doober +ith +ot +an = dooberithotanSpeeches: doober +ith +en = dooberithenSpeakers: doober + ith + ot +en = DooberithotenSpeakers (female, again if it was a gender specific title): doober + ith + ot +an +en = dooberithotanen

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I'll think on division, company and so on. Like "Captain" and "Commander" they may end up being different words that represent those terms in other cultures, however.

"First of all..." = "Hodleh'awl..."

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After looking over several of the posts, just remember that Nanshilae isn't a simple word substitution of English. Not everything will translate directly, and not every English word would be in an elven language.

If possible, we should avoid ' in any words as a base when we put them up. This is because ' is used to link words as "of" and so on.

Earth would translate from E'retz to Erets (same sound)Shemaym is the sky or air for a location, like "Up in the air I saw..." while for air to speak of elements, elementals, or the stuff you need to breathe, avir would go to ayvir

Nofaylithot would be an attacker, but that's a "enemy of the moment" (if you don't get your ass kicked). For a foe, or sworn enemy type, echthros or tsar are used as well. Using your suggested antikeimenoi, I'd drop the anti, leaving keimenoi.. which would then become keemehnot to represent "enemy" (keemehnoten for enemies).