(25-05-2012 08:10 PM)Dom Wrote: Well, if you are here to convert me, obviously that won't work.

There ya have it. We are both content where we are at. I am not interested in becoming an atheist and you have no interest in pursuing God. I won't bother with the rest of your post as it cannot amount to anything since your closed. Any others who have no interest in exploring the possibility of God, the God I serve, need not waste time with me either.

Gary

So thinking about things is a waste of time?

I tought you came here so we could talk and you could learn to understand us and we could learn to understand you.

Oh, well.

Science is the process we've designed to be responsible for generating our best guess as to what the fuck is going on. Girly Man

(25-05-2012 08:10 PM)Dom Wrote: Well, if you are here to convert me, obviously that won't work.

There ya have it. We are both content where we are at. I am not interested in becoming an atheist and you have no interest in pursuing God. I won't bother with the rest of your post as it cannot amount to anything since your closed. Any others who have no interest in exploring the possibility of God, the God I serve, need not waste time with me either.

Gary

Most of us here have explored the possibility of your God and determined that the likelihood of his existence approaches zero. If you have new evidence, we will reconsider.

If you don't wish to have your basic beliefs challenged, then this is not the place for you.

As a humanist, I don't serve any gods; I stand on my own two feet physically, morally, ethically, and intellectually. It takes clarity and courage to face the universe as it is and to further explore reality.

Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.

(25-05-2012 07:16 PM)gdemoss Wrote: Citing scripture for support is simply useless with someone who is unwilling to submit themselves unto the possibility of Gods existence.

You're right... citing scripture for support is simply useless... for anyone. There is no basis for you to believe it either except for faith, which I'm pointing out for the third and final time is the same thing that Muslims use to justify their beliefs that you don't share. It literally doesn't matter what their beliefs are -- substitute "Muslims" for "Jehovah's Witnesses" or "Mormons" or "Buddhists" or whatever else you like. The fact is that they believe by faith and not by real evidence that is useful to a skeptic. They also believe that their holy books are true by faith. They also believe that their gods exist because of their personal experience. Can you seriously not understand why their beliefs are no more compelling to me than they are to you?

I'm done wasting my time with you. Debate with you is fruitless. You can't even, for one moment, even attempt understanding. Your faith is a stumbling block to understanding. I know you think the same of me, and despite being able to see it in others you think you have a special immunity, as if you're infallible.

Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces"

My girlfriend is mad at me. Perhaps I shouldn't have tried cooking a stick in her non-stick pan.

It is certainly possible, but why would a creator go to such painstaking lengths to make it rain by it evaporationing, and then accumulation, and finally it starts raining when he could have easily just made it rain?

So many great points already said. Guess I'll say the same thing in my own way.

I don’t hate the christian story of god; it is for me no different than any other deity/deities myth. It is some of the people whose belief in god(s) drives hurtful, cruel, destructive actions that I truly dislike, distrust, and frankly find most frightening.That in no way means there aren’t people who scare me for non-religious beliefs. Could there be an intelligent "creator" of our universe? I have no idea because he/she/it/they have yet to leave evidence that describes what exactly he/she/it/they are or are not. Just because a creation story is ancient, retold, and believed by very many people does not equal evidence.

I came because someone asked me a direct question in another thread. I have been interested in the mindset of atheism, especially of those who were former theists. It is amazing to see that there is just as much a rainbow of beliefs among atheists as there are among theists. My hope is that God will not leave you in your current state of unbelief but the end is quite uncertain. With God all things are possible as earlier today I was able to hear a confession from an atheist turned theist, who is working to learn what he can. Some will make it others won't and many theists will fall but in the end it will all be sorted out.