A newbie - What are differences between Red Hat Linux 9 and Red Hat Enterprise Linux?

Hi guys:

I would like to learn how to use Linux now! Could you please tell me
what differences between Red Hat Linux 9 and Red Hat Enterprise Linux
are? As a discontinued product, Red Hat Linux 9 is more economically
efficient...since I am just want to learn the basic concept about it
now, is it OK for me to practise Red Hat Linux 9 first, rather than
buying Red Hat Enterprise Linux? Are they similar for a newbie?

On 2006-11-17, [email]joey_qf@163.com[/email] <joey_qf@163.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> I would like to learn how to use Linux now! Could you please tell me
> what differences between Red Hat Linux 9 and Red Hat Enterprise Linux
> are?[/color]

10 years and a different license.
[color=blue]
> now, is it OK for me to practise Red Hat Linux 9 first, rather than
> buying Red Hat Enterprise Linux?[/color]

start by reading some documentation first, [url]www.tldp.org[/url] is that way -->

Davide

--
Some drink from the Fountain of Knowledge. Others just gargle. -- Dave Aronson
And some pee in it. -- moc.oohay

09-30-2007, 11:54 PM

unix

Re: A newbie - What are differences between Red Hat Linux 9 and RedHat Enterprise Linux?

[email]joey_qf@163.com[/email] wrote:[color=blue]
> I would like to learn how to use Linux now! Could you please tell me
> what differences between Red Hat Linux 9 and Red Hat Enterprise Linux
> are? As a discontinued product, Red Hat Linux 9 is more economically
> efficient...since I am just want to learn the basic concept about it
> now, is it OK for me to practise Red Hat Linux 9 first, rather than
> buying Red Hat Enterprise Linux? Are they similar for a newbie?[/color]

The first is you are trying to run a business running any Enterprise edition or
you should be using Fedora Core 6.

RH9 is ancient history. Been there, done that, did not upgrade until FC4 and
should have done so earlier.

RH9 is dead meat. Do not use it.

Now back when RH9 was the hotest thing there were still many people who were
able and more importantly willing to help with older RH distros. However the
Fedora Core releases have caused people to lose interest in even older FCs. They
have been clean upgrades and overall improvements which the RH releases never wers.

Bottom line, use FC6 and forget RH9.

--
The total failure in Iraq is the execution of the post war strategy but the
war itself. There was never a way it could win. No people have ever accepted
foreigners ruling them.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 3718
nizkor [url]http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml[/url]
Mission Accomplished [url]http://www.giwersworld.org/opinion/mission.phtml[/url] a12

Fei
"Matt Giwer 写道：
"[color=blue]
> [email]joey_qf@163.com[/email] wrote:[color=green]
> > I would like to learn how to use Linux now! Could you please tell me
> > what differences between Red Hat Linux 9 and Red Hat Enterprise Linux
> > are? As a discontinued product, Red Hat Linux 9 is more economically
> > efficient...since I am just want to learn the basic concept about it
> > now, is it OK for me to practise Red Hat Linux 9 first, rather than
> > buying Red Hat Enterprise Linux? Are they similar for a newbie?[/color]
>
> The first is you are trying to run a business running any Enterprise edition or
> you should be using Fedora Core 6.
>
> RH9 is ancient history. Been there, done that, did not upgrade until FC4and
> should have done so earlier.
>
> RH9 is dead meat. Do not use it.
>
> Now back when RH9 was the hotest thing there were still many people who were
> able and more importantly willing to help with older RH distros. However the
> Fedora Core releases have caused people to lose interest in even older FCs. They
> have been clean upgrades and overall improvements which the RH releases never wers.
>
> Bottom line, use FC6 and forget RH9.
>
> --
> The total failure in Iraq is the execution of the post war strategy but the
> war itself. There was never a way it could win. No people have ever accepted
> foreigners ruling them.
> -- The Iron Webmaster, 3718
> nizkor [url]http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml[/url]
> Mission Accomplished [url]http://www.giwersworld.org/opinion/mission.phtml[/url] a12[/color]

BYW, I want to install a duo system in my laptop - with Windows, FC6 is
OK, right? If I download from any website which provide FC6, a stupid
question - is there virus if I download it from a "unofficial"
website? I heard that no virus attached in open source software, but
still a littlie bit unsure...

Re: A newbie - What are differences between Red Hat Linux 9 and RedHat Enterprise Linux?

Fei wrote:[color=blue]
> Thanks Matt:[/color]
[color=blue]
> I think FC6 is free, right? Where can I download a copy?[/color]

From redhat.com of course. Very top of the home page in the center is the
download link. Free as free can be. Careful looking for it. They do not make it
obvious but it is free. If you do not have bit torrent try the gatech.edu links
for downloading.

As the man said, for free take, for buy waste time. Arthur Godfrey as I
remember but that just reveals my age. Remember us old farts do not comprehend
computers. Take everything I say with a grain of Viagra. ;)

--
If the gang rape and murder of an entire family had happened in Boulder,
Colorado it would have been prime time news in the US for ten years. But it
happened in Iraq by Americans.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 3706
nizkor [url]http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml[/url]
Mission Accomplished [url]http://www.giwersworld.org/opinion/mission.phtml[/url] a12

Fantastic! "for free take, for buy waste time" - I will put it in
my collection! Haha! Thank you Matt!

I am so sorry, just a quick follow-up question - I have checked Redhat
website, it is said that FC is for programmers, and Redhat Enterprise
is for business. Since I am a business student, I would like to learn
the right version which can be used in future (Maybe). So what I learn
from FC, e.g. commands and programming, can be applied in Enterprise,
right?

Thank you so much! Sorry to bother you!

A helpless person who wants to learn Linux - Fei

"Matt Giwer 写道：
"[color=blue]
> Fei wrote:[color=green]
> > Thanks Matt:[/color]
>[color=green]
> > I think FC6 is free, right? Where can I download a copy?[/color]
>
> From redhat.com of course. Very top of the home page in the center is the
> download link. Free as free can be. Careful looking for it. They do not make it
> obvious but it is free. If you do not have bit torrent try the gatech.edulinks
> for downloading.
>
> As the man said, for free take, for buy waste time. Arthur Godfrey as I
> remember but that just reveals my age. Remember us old farts do not comprehend
> computers. Take everything I say with a grain of Viagra. ;)
>
> --
> If the gang rape and murder of an entire family had happened in Boulder,
> Colorado it would have been prime time news in the US for ten years. But it
> happened in Iraq by Americans.
> -- The Iron Webmaster, 3706
> nizkor [url]http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml[/url]
> Mission Accomplished [url]http://www.giwersworld.org/opinion/mission.phtml[/url] a12[/color]

09-30-2007, 11:54 PM

unix

Re: A newbie - What are differences between Red Hat Linux 9 and RedHat Enterprise Linux?

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Fei wrote:
[color=blue]
> I am so sorry, just a quick follow-up question - I have checked Redhat
> website, it is said that FC is for programmers, and Redhat Enterprise
> is for business. Since I am a business student, I would like to learn
> the right version which can be used in future (Maybe). So what I learn
> from FC, e.g. commands and programming, can be applied in Enterprise,
> right?[/color]

Try : [url]http://www.centos.org[/url]

CentOS is an Enterprise-class Linux Distribution derived from sources
freely provided to the public by a prominent North American Enterprise
Linux vendor. CentOS conforms fully with the upstream vendors
redistribution policy and aims to be 100% binary compatible. (CentOS
mainly changes packages to remove upstream vendor branding and artwork.)
CentOS is free.

Re: A newbie - What are differences between Red Hat Linux 9 and RedHat Enterprise Linux?

Fei wrote:[color=blue]
> Fantastic! "for free take, for buy waste time" - I will put it in
> my collection! Haha! Thank you Matt![/color]
[color=blue]
> I am so sorry, just a quick follow-up question - I have checked Redhat
> website, it is said that FC is for programmers, and Redhat Enterprise
> is for business. Since I am a business student, I would like to learn
> the right version which can be used in future (Maybe). So what I learn
> from FC, e.g. commands and programming, can be applied in Enterprise,
> right?[/color]

Business means it contains the applications you would want on a computer for a
business. The apps are probably all on FC versions also. They certainly can be
run on and the FC distro. A would guess a business version would be if you want
to become a sysadmin for a non-computer company. That is not what a business
major needs. You will have several spreadsheets including the integrated one in
Open Office.

I have no idea why they would say FC is for programmers. The work station
option may be but below I recommend something else. I program but a couple
hundred lines a year is a big year for me these days. I mainly got it because I
got tired of Windows dying and taking the hard disk with it. Now I have a stable
OS and one where I can fool around with the innards easily instead of the
kludges Windows requires if changes can be made at all. My programming is way
down because the applications that come with linux can be controlled through
shell scripts.

If you want to dig into the innards how the OS works they will be the same. (If
I am wrong someone will jump in and tell me.) If you want to learn specific
kinds of software that would be used in business such as a web server either
will do but you might want to see what RH thinks of a business aps.

I can't think of what might be on one and not on the other. Certainly the same
apps will work on both. So if all you want to do is learn linux either will do.
There are very many more people who visit here who use FC than the enterprise
edition so there are more people to answer questions. You can always change
later if you find there is a difference worth having.
[color=blue]
> Thank you so much! Sorry to bother you![/color]

Not a problem. When I was a newbie I was here getting help and after a few
months I was reading problems that I had solved or got a "Hey! I screwed up just
like that." You will too.
[color=blue]
> A helpless person who wants to learn Linux - Fei[/color]

Rule 1. You will create a root account and also create a user account for
yourself. NEVER be root unless you are sure of what you are doing. There are no
exceptions to this rule.

I can only talk about the FC editions. At the start of an installation you will
be asked what kind of installation you want to make. Choose 'Custom'
installation. Scroll all the way to the end of the options and check 'Install
Everything'. It doesn't take up that much more space.

When learning you are going to be reading about a lot of things to try and this
will increae the likelihood you have it installed already. No need to be
frustrated while learning or breaking your chain of thought to install something
new.

The first thing to run after installing is

yum upgrade

You will do this as root.

That will go online and find everything that has been upgraded since the disk
release was frozen and upgrade it for you. After that run

yum clean packages

If you like the idea of free software run yumex, click the install icon and see
how much else RH has that isn't on the disks.

--
The funny thing is we cannot find any rational basis to seperate a political
speech by Bush on Iraq from a psychotic delusion.
-- The Iron Webmaster, 3724
nizkor [url]http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml[/url]
Mission Accomplished [url]http://www.giwersworld.org/opinion/mission.phtml[/url] a12

Matt Giwer wrote:[color=blue]
> Fei wrote:[color=green]
> > Fantastic! "for free take, for buy waste time" - I will put it in
> > my collection! Haha! Thank you Matt![/color]
>[color=green]
> > I am so sorry, just a quick follow-up question - I have checked Redhat
> > website, it is said that FC is for programmers, and Redhat Enterprise
> > is for business. Since I am a business student, I would like to learn
> > the right version which can be used in future (Maybe). So what I learn
> > from FC, e.g. commands and programming, can be applied in Enterprise,
> > right?[/color]
>
> Business means it contains the applications you would want on a computer for a
> business. The apps are probably all on FC versions also. They certainly can be
> run on and the FC distro. A would guess a business version would be if you want
> to become a sysadmin for a non-computer company. That is not what a business
> major needs. You will have several spreadsheets including the integrated one in
> Open Office.[/color]

"Business" also usually means "stable and will be supported for the
life of the system". For programmers means it has a lot of leading
edge, even bleeding edge tools, and hasn't been through all the testing
and integration you expect from a business system.

It's the difference between a convertible and a minivan: one is faster
and more maneuverable, the other is likely to have back-seat airbags
andn a more tested motor.
[color=blue]
> I have no idea why they would say FC is for programmers. The work station
> option may be but below I recommend something else. I program but a couple
> hundred lines a year is a big year for me these days. I mainly got it because I
> got tired of Windows dying and taking the hard disk with it. Now I have a stable
> OS and one where I can fool around with the innards easily instead of the
> kludges Windows requires if changes can be made at all. My programming is way
> down because the applications that come with linux can be controlled through
> shell scripts.[/color]

FC tends to publish new updates much sooner, with less integration
testing to make sure all the components play nicely together.
[color=blue]
> If you want to dig into the innards how the OS works they will be the same. (If
> I am wrong someone will jump in and tell me.) If you want to learn specific
> kinds of software that would be used in business such as a web server either
> will do but you might want to see what RH thinks of a business aps.[/color]

They're quite different: Look at the package differences. FC is
typically a year or more ahead of RHEL, meaning new kernel modules, new
versions of gcc, glibc, Xorg, OpenOffice, video players, and other core
tools. One big reason RedHat split them is to allow full-blown
development and smoke-testing of new ideas without imperiling mission
critical systems, which are typically on RHEL.

[color=blue]
> I can't think of what might be on one and not on the other. Certainly the same
> apps will work on both. So if all you want to do is learn linux either will do.
> There are very many more people who visit here who use FC than the enterprise
> edition so there are more people to answer questions. You can always change
> later if you find there is a difference worth having.[/color]

No, they need not. I suggest you take a look at perl module
dependencies, for example, and wireless device or NTFS support in the
kernels. Even subtle differences in gcc can create all sorts of
interesting adventures.
[color=blue][color=green]
> > A helpless person who wants to learn Linux - Fei[/color]
>
> Rule 1. You will create a root account and also create a user account for
> yourself. NEVER be root unless you are sure of what you are doing. There are no
> exceptions to this rule.[/color]

Except that he's a newbie. He's not going to be sure of anything, is
he?

Be cautious with root access: it's easy to screw things up. Feel free
to pop up here and ask questions, we'll try to be nice.
[color=blue]
> I can only talk about the FC editions. At the start of an installation you will
> be asked what kind of installation you want to make. Choose 'Custom'
> installation. Scroll all the way to the end of the options and check 'Install
> Everything'. It doesn't take up that much more space.[/color]

About 8 Gig, as opposed to 1 or 2 Gig. It also doesn't get all the
language packs.
[color=blue]
> When learning you are going to be reading about a lot of things to try and this
> will increae the likelihood you have it installed already. No need to be
> frustrated while learning or breaking your chain of thought to install something
> new.
>
> The first thing to run after installing is
>
> yum upgrade[/color]

You do mean "yum check-update" and "yum update", of course. Also, make
sure to put in the yum-plugin-fastestmirror tool, to speed up this
operation in the future.

[color=blue]
> You will do this as root.
>
> That will go online and find everything that has been upgraded since the disk
> release was frozen and upgrade it for you. After that run
>
> yum clean packages
>
> If you like the idea of free software run yumex, click the install icon and see
> how much else RH has that isn't on the disks.[/color]

And get yum configuration files for the DAG and DRIES repositories,
which have many tools RedHat and RC haven't contained themselves. Livna
is also nice, for tools that RedHat feels legally constrained from
providing, like Java packages and DVD playback tools.

"Nico 写道：
"[color=blue]
> Matt Giwer wrote:[color=green]
> > Fei wrote:[color=darkred]
> > > Fantastic! "for free take, for buy waste time" - I will put it in
> > > my collection! Haha! Thank you Matt![/color]
> >[color=darkred]
> > > I am so sorry, just a quick follow-up question - I have checked Redhat
> > > website, it is said that FC is for programmers, and Redhat Enterprise
> > > is for business. Since I am a business student, I would like to learn
> > > the right version which can be used in future (Maybe). So what I learn
> > > from FC, e.g. commands and programming, can be applied in Enterprise,
> > > right?[/color]
> >
> > Business means it contains the applications you would want on a computer for a
> > business. The apps are probably all on FC versions also. They certainlycan be
> > run on and the FC distro. A would guess a business version would be if you want
> > to become a sysadmin for a non-computer company. That is not what a business
> > major needs. You will have several spreadsheets including the integrated one in
> > Open Office.[/color]
>
> "Business" also usually means "stable and will be supported for the
> life of the system". For programmers means it has a lot of leading
> edge, even bleeding edge tools, and hasn't been through all the testing
> and integration you expect from a business system.
>
> It's the difference between a convertible and a minivan: one is faster
> and more maneuverable, the other is likely to have back-seat airbags
> andn a more tested motor.
>[color=green]
> > I have no idea why they would say FC is for programmers. The work station
> > option may be but below I recommend something else. I program but a couple
> > hundred lines a year is a big year for me these days. I mainly got it because I
> > got tired of Windows dying and taking the hard disk with it. Now I havea stable
> > OS and one where I can fool around with the innards easily instead of the
> > kludges Windows requires if changes can be made at all. My programming is way
> > down because the applications that come with linux can be controlled through
> > shell scripts.[/color]
>
> FC tends to publish new updates much sooner, with less integration
> testing to make sure all the components play nicely together.
>[color=green]
> > If you want to dig into the innards how the OS works they will be the same. (If
> > I am wrong someone will jump in and tell me.) If you want to learn specific
> > kinds of software that would be used in business such as a web server either
> > will do but you might want to see what RH thinks of a business aps.[/color]
>
> They're quite different: Look at the package differences. FC is
> typically a year or more ahead of RHEL, meaning new kernel modules, new
> versions of gcc, glibc, Xorg, OpenOffice, video players, and other core
> tools. One big reason RedHat split them is to allow full-blown
> development and smoke-testing of new ideas without imperiling mission
> critical systems, which are typically on RHEL.
>
>[color=green]
> > I can't think of what might be on one and not on the other. Certainly the same
> > apps will work on both. So if all you want to do is learn linux either will do.
> > There are very many more people who visit here who use FC than the enterprise
> > edition so there are more people to answer questions. You can always change
> > later if you find there is a difference worth having.[/color]
>
> No, they need not. I suggest you take a look at perl module
> dependencies, for example, and wireless device or NTFS support in the
> kernels. Even subtle differences in gcc can create all sorts of
> interesting adventures.
>[color=green][color=darkred]
> > > A helpless person who wants to learn Linux - Fei[/color]
> >
> > Rule 1. You will create a root account and also create a user account for
> > yourself. NEVER be root unless you are sure of what you are doing. There are no
> > exceptions to this rule.[/color]
>
> Except that he's a newbie. He's not going to be sure of anything, is
> he?
>
> Be cautious with root access: it's easy to screw things up. Feel free
> to pop up here and ask questions, we'll try to be nice.
>[color=green]
> > I can only talk about the FC editions. At the start of an installationyou will
> > be asked what kind of installation you want to make. Choose 'Custom'
> > installation. Scroll all the way to the end of the options and check 'Install
> > Everything'. It doesn't take up that much more space.[/color]
>
> About 8 Gig, as opposed to 1 or 2 Gig. It also doesn't get all the
> language packs.
>[color=green]
> > When learning you are going to be reading about a lot of things to tryand this
> > will increae the likelihood you have it installed already. No need to be
> > frustrated while learning or breaking your chain of thought to install something
> > new.
> >
> > The first thing to run after installing is
> >
> > yum upgrade[/color]
>
> You do mean "yum check-update" and "yum update", of course. Also, make
> sure to put in the yum-plugin-fastestmirror tool, to speed up this
> operation in the future.
>
>[color=green]
> > You will do this as root.
> >
> > That will go online and find everything that has been upgraded since the disk
> > release was frozen and upgrade it for you. After that run
> >
> > yum clean packages
> >
> > If you like the idea of free software run yumex, click the install icon and see
> > how much else RH has that isn't on the disks.[/color]
>
> And get yum configuration files for the DAG and DRIES repositories,
> which have many tools RedHat and RC haven't contained themselves. Livna
> is also nice, for tools that RedHat feels legally constrained from
> providing, like Java packages and DVD playback tools.[/color]

09-30-2007, 11:54 PM

unix

Re: A newbie - What are differences between Red Hat Linux 9 and RedHat Enterprise Linux?

Nico wrote:[color=blue]
> Matt Giwer wrote:[color=green]
>>Fei wrote:[color=darkred]
>>>Fantastic! "for free take, for buy waste time" - I will put it in
>>>my collection! Haha! Thank you Matt!
>>>I am so sorry, just a quick follow-up question - I have checked Redhat
>>>website, it is said that FC is for programmers, and Redhat Enterprise
>>>is for business. Since I am a business student, I would like to learn
>>>the right version which can be used in future (Maybe). So what I learn
>>>from FC, e.g. commands and programming, can be applied in Enterprise,
>>>right?[/color]
>> Business means it contains the applications you would want on a computer for a
>>business. The apps are probably all on FC versions also. They certainly can be
>>run on and the FC distro. A would guess a business version would be if you want
>>to become a sysadmin for a non-computer company. That is not what a business
>>major needs. You will have several spreadsheets including the integrated one in
>>Open Office.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> "Business" also usually means "stable and will be supported for the
> life of the system". For programmers means it has a lot of leading
> edge, even bleeding edge tools, and hasn't been through all the testing
> and integration you expect from a business system.[/color]
[color=blue]
> It's the difference between a convertible and a minivan: one is faster
> and more maneuverable, the other is likely to have back-seat airbags
> andn a more tested motor.[/color]

I do not have a dog in this fight. The man said his interest in the business
version is because he is a business major. To me that means he is not interested
in learning linux to be a sysadmin for a company. I take it to mean he simply
wants to learn linux itself. Therefore I say either is good enough.

As to bleeding edge, being a business major means by the time he graduates and
preferably after he completes his MBA, any business app that is bleeding edge
now will be, if it survives, rock solid old stuff maintained by new hires.

I do not have a dog in this fight. I am just trying to give him the information
he needs to decide when at this point he is not in a position to properly
formulate the questions.

I fall back to the best reason of all being there are more people here who know
RH and EL but that may make no difference as I have no idea what the difference
is between the two.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> I have no idea why they would say FC is for programmers. The work station
>>option may be but below I recommend something else. I program but a couple
>>hundred lines a year is a big year for me these days. I mainly got it because I
>>got tired of Windows dying and taking the hard disk with it. Now I have a stable
>>OS and one where I can fool around with the innards easily instead of the
>>kludges Windows requires if changes can be made at all. My programming is way
>>down because the applications that come with linux can be controlled through
>>shell scripts.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> FC tends to publish new updates much sooner, with less integration
> testing to make sure all the components play nicely together.[/color]

And as a user since RH5.? I have not had an interesting problem with that. With
FC4 I found no problems at all. This is likely the yum upgrade system more than
anything else.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> If you want to dig into the innards how the OS works they will be the same. (If
>>I am wrong someone will jump in and tell me.) If you want to learn specific
>>kinds of software that would be used in business such as a web server either
>>will do but you might want to see what RH thinks of a business aps.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> They're quite different: Look at the package differences. FC is
> typically a year or more ahead of RHEL, meaning new kernel modules, new
> versions of gcc, glibc, Xorg, OpenOffice, video players, and other core
> tools. One big reason RedHat split them is to allow full-blown
> development and smoke-testing of new ideas without imperiling mission
> critical systems, which are typically on RHEL.[/color]

Which gets me back to the man saying he simply wants to learn linux. If he were
asking which to choose for his company there is no question I would have said EL.

If there were no other consideration I would agree he should use EL. But as a
learner and if he needs help there are more who can help with FC and EL. That is
the main reason I have always recommended RH. It has the largest user base
therefore the most people who can help. For example, given the sudden explosion
of Ubuntu questions I would not suggest anyone use it for at least a year. That
being the time it will take for the new Ubuntu users to have the experience to
answer questions.
[color=blue][color=green]
>> I can't think of what might be on one and not on the other. Certainly the same
>>apps will work on both. So if all you want to do is learn linux either will do.
>>There are very many more people who visit here who use FC than the enterprise
>>edition so there are more people to answer questions. You can always change
>>later if you find there is a difference worth having.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> No, they need not. I suggest you take a look at perl module
> dependencies, for example, and wireless device or NTFS support in the
> kernels. Even subtle differences in gcc can create all sorts of
> interesting adventures.[/color]

For someone who just wants to learn linux? No. I am confident a new user of
linux is not going to jump into perl before becoming confident in linux itself.
[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>>A helpless person who wants to learn Linux - Fei[/color][/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Rule 1. You will create a root account and also create a user account for
>>yourself. NEVER be root unless you are sure of what you are doing. There are no
>>exceptions to this rule.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> Except that he's a newbie. He's not going to be sure of anything, is
> he?[/color]

That is correct. That is the warning. Ever notice how many newbies stay in root
because it is convenient?
[color=blue]
> Be cautious with root access: it's easy to screw things up. Feel free
> to pop up here and ask questions, we'll try to be nice.[/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> I can only talk about the FC editions. At the start of an installation you will
>>be asked what kind of installation you want to make. Choose 'Custom'
>>installation. Scroll all the way to the end of the options and check 'Install
>>Everything'. It doesn't take up that much more space.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> About 8 Gig, as opposed to 1 or 2 Gig. It also doesn't get all the
> language packs.[/color]

There are not 8G worth of disks. There are about 3.3G of files. They are in the
form of rpms not tar.gz.
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>> When learning you are going to be reading about a lot of things to try and this
>>will increae the likelihood you have it installed already. No need to be
>>frustrated while learning or breaking your chain of thought to install something
>>new.[/color][/color]
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>> The first thing to run after installing is[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> yum upgrade[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> You do mean "yum check-update" and "yum update", of course. Also, make
> sure to put in the yum-plugin-fastestmirror tool, to speed up this
> operation in the future.[/color]

No, I mean upgrade. Everyone does things differently. I have had no problems.
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>> You will do this as root.[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> That will go online and find everything that has been upgraded since the disk
>>release was frozen and upgrade it for you. After that run[/color][/color]
[color=blue][color=green]
>> yum clean packages
>>
>> If you like the idea of free software run yumex, click the install icon and see
>>how much else RH has that isn't on the disks.[/color][/color]
[color=blue]
> And get yum configuration files for the DAG and DRIES repositories,
> which have many tools RedHat and RC haven't contained themselves. Livna
> is also nice, for tools that RedHat feels legally constrained from
> providing, like Java packages and DVD playback tools.[/color]

The more the better. I suggested it so he would see things that might interest
him. Interest is a motivator to learning. Sort of like teaching English using
Penthouse rather than Little Women.

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09-30-2007, 11:54 PM

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Re: A newbie - What are differences between Red Hat Linux 9 and RedHat Enterprise Linux?

Matt Giwer wrote:
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> If there were no other consideration I would agree he should use EL.
> But as a learner and if he needs help there are more who can help with
> FC and EL. That is the main reason I have always recommended RH. It has[/color]

FC _THAN_ EL
[color=blue]
> the largest user base therefore the most people who can help. For
> example, given the sudden explosion of Ubuntu questions I would not
> suggest anyone use it for at least a year. That being the time it will
> take for the new Ubuntu users to have the experience to answer questions.[/color]

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09-30-2007, 11:56 PM

unix

Re: A newbie - What are differences between Red Hat Linux 9 and RedHat Enterprise Linux?

[email]joey_qf@163.com[/email] wrote:[color=blue]
> Hi guys:
>
> I would like to learn how to use Linux now! Could you please tell me
> what differences between Red Hat Linux 9 and Red Hat Enterprise Linux
> are? As a discontinued product, Red Hat Linux 9 is more economically
> efficient...since I am just want to learn the basic concept about it
> now, is it OK for me to practise Red Hat Linux 9 first, rather than
> buying Red Hat Enterprise Linux? Are they similar for a newbie?[/color]

I would consider downloading CentOS 4.4 from [url]www.centos.org[/url]. I've tried
all the Fedora's (except 6, which I've downloaded but then found out
about CentOS), but I like the idea of the stable (not bleeding edge)
aspect of CentOS -- which is basically Red Hat Enterprise. I've still
got a lot to learn, but I think this is the distro that I'm going to go
with.