Daily Mail wrote:This he believes is because people are only applying for the roles to show they are 'looking for work to qualify for benefits'.

Idle speculation, by a sub-par businessman. His son has the right perspective:

Daily Mail wrote:'I really cannot understand what is going on at all.'

Unemployment is upside-down all over the world. Our USPS buildings are plastered with signs and banners seeking workers for one of the best paying jobs in America. Recently, the US Department of Labor announced that there are more jobs than workers to fill them.

I suggest Mr Suhadolnik, first, take a look at the wages he pays. Then, he might sample his own fish & chips. Finally, he should stick his nose under his armpit and sample what it's like to work around him. There are many other answers to his unpopularity... but typical of the Brits, they look to the government for answers first. Lol.

Daily Mail wrote:This he believes is because people are only applying for the roles to show they are 'looking for work to qualify for benefits'.

Idle speculation, by a sub-par businessman. His son has the right perspective:

Daily Mail wrote:'I really cannot understand what is going on at all.'

Unemployment is upside-down all over the world. Our USPS buildings are plastered with signs and banners seeking workers for one of the best paying jobs in America. Recently, the US Department of Labor announced that there are more jobs than workers to fill them.

I suggest Mr Suhadolnik, first, take a look at the wages he pays. Then, he might sample his own fish & chips. Finally, he should stick his nose under his armpit and sample what it's like to work around him. There are many other answers to his unpopularity... but typical of the Brits, they look to the government for answers first. Lol.

Well regardless of the intensity of Mr Suhadolnick's underarm body odour, the gastronomic quality of his fish and chips (you Yanks couldn't produce real fish'n'chips if you tried!) and his adherence or not to our laws on minimum wages, I can tell you that this sort of thing is common in the UK.

Two members of my own family are employers of labour. They pay well above the statutory minimum and offer good working conditions, employment benefits and support.

And they are still bedevilled by job applicants whose main consideration is waving a bit of paper under the nose of a social security officer and piously claiming a desire to work for their living while quite clearly wanting to continue a life funded by other taxpayers who not only work for their living, but who are heavily taxed to pay for that of others.

Idle speculation, by a sub-par businessman. His son has the right perspective:

Unemployment is upside-down all over the world. Our USPS buildings are plastered with signs and banners seeking workers for one of the best paying jobs in America. Recently, the US Department of Labor announced that there are more jobs than workers to fill them.

I suggest Mr Suhadolnik, first, take a look at the wages he pays. Then, he might sample his own fish & chips. Finally, he should stick his nose under his armpit and sample what it's like to work around him. There are many other answers to his unpopularity... but typical of the Brits, they look to the government for answers first. Lol.

Well regardless of the intensity of Mr Suhadolnick's underarm body odour, the gastronomic quality of his fish and chips (you Yanks couldn't produce real fish'n'chips if you tried!) and his adherence or not to our laws on minimum wages, I can tell you that this sort of thing is common in the UK.

Two members of my own family are employers of labour. They pay well above the statutory minimum and offer good working conditions, employment benefits and support.

And they are still bedevilled by job applicants whose main consideration is waving a bit of paper under the nose of a social security officer and piously claiming a desire to work for their living while quite clearly wanting to continue a life funded by other taxpayers who not only work for their living, but who are heavily taxed to pay for that of others.

Well regardless of the intensity of Mr Suhadolnick's underarm body odour, the gastronomic quality of his fish and chips (you Yanks couldn't produce real fish'n'chips if you tried!) and his adherence or not to our laws on minimum wages, I can tell you that this sort of thing is common in the UK.

Two members of my own family are employers of labour. They pay well above the statutory minimum and offer good working conditions, employment benefits and support.

And they are still bedevilled by job applicants whose main consideration is waving a bit of paper under the nose of a social security officer and piously claiming a desire to work for their living while quite clearly wanting to continue a life funded by other taxpayers who not only work for their living, but who are heavily taxed to pay for that of others.

We have the same sort of rules here, and it's never been a problem.

It's not a problem here...if you happen to be a payee and not a payer.

It's not a problem here...if you happen to be a payee and not a payer.

Oh, I thought you were agreeing with Mr Suhadolnik, that the help was not available because the applicants would rather be on welfare. Further, that they only applied because they needed to prove that they put in for a job.

there is always going to some people like that in any nation with a strong welfare system.

I see it as the poor persons equivalent of tax minimization, skirting the edge of the regulations trying to maximize ones personal financial gain. Ultimately either is taking money that you not really entitled to from the gov't

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Daily Mail wrote:This he believes is because people are only applying for the roles to show they are 'looking for work to qualify for benefits'.

Idle speculation, by a sub-par businessman. His son has the right perspective:

Daily Mail wrote:'I really cannot understand what is going on at all.'

Unemployment is upside-down all over the world. Our USPS buildings are plastered with signs and banners seeking workers for one of the best paying jobs in America. Recently, the US Department of Labor announced that there are more jobs than workers to fill them.

I suggest Mr Suhadolnik, first, take a look at the wages he pays. Then, he might sample his own fish & chips. Finally, he should stick his nose under his armpit and sample what it's like to work around him. There are many other answers to his unpopularity... but typical of the Brits, they look to the government for answers first. Lol.

sorry Quill this aint the USA, a major flaw is you assume they don't already have another job

Get paid 'cash in hand' for your labor, don't tell gov't you earned money, then don't pay tax on it and can claim unemployment.

Plus there are those that can't be fucked working (think drug addicts) that are still coherent enough to know they need to meet the requirements if they want their dole check (which they want for drugs )

Mr Suhadolnik problem is that his area is near 'full employment' for people that actually want to work but there is the same number of bogan/chav applicants (economists actually count this as a constant factor of 1.2% in Australia)So among the resumes there is a higher proportion of bogan/chav applicants

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Do they lie to the job centre then? If they are offered a job and do it for a day or whatever and then don't turn up, they effectively made themselves unemployed and wouldn't be eligible for job seekers allowance.

Raggamuffin wrote:Do they lie to the job centre then? If they are offered a job and do it for a day or whatever and then don't turn up, they effectively made themselves unemployed and wouldn't be eligible for job seekers allowance.

So long as you show you are looking they don't hound you. At least not until after a few months. Then they get the whip out and tell you to take any job you can. I spent a very brief period on Jobseekers before I turned self employed. It was horrible.

Hey, if you let me in, I'll work a full-time job at a fish and chips place. I'll proudly take out the trash, change the cooking oil AND come up with quirky promotions on social media to drive business up!

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Sounds as though Britain is seriously in need of enthusiastic workers.

Perhaps immigration policy could be adjusted to address this problem?

_________________“As man advances in civilization, and small tribes are united into larger communities, the simplest reason would tell each individual that he ought to extend his social instincts and sympathies to all members of the same nation, though personally unknown to him. This point being once reached, there is only an artificial barrier to prevent his sympathies extending to the men of all nations and races.”

veya wrote:sorry Quill this aint the USA, a major flaw is you assume they don't already have another job

I don't have to assume anything. My position is one of pure skepticism.

I simply don't believe Mr Suhadolnik. I believe there is an alternative reason people don't want to work for him. His story is just a cover.

I've worked a few wage & hour cases where the employer wanted a kick back on paychecks or overtime compensation (bonuses, etc.). The workers, on hearing his terms, are just walking away. This sounds like that.

Seriously, somebody contact this guy and tell him I'd bust my ass for the chance to live only a 3.5 hour train ride from my wife and kids.

Tell him to go to his MP and say he should be allowed to sponsor me for a work visa because I'd be the best worker he ever had.

_________________“As man advances in civilization, and small tribes are united into larger communities, the simplest reason would tell each individual that he ought to extend his social instincts and sympathies to all members of the same nation, though personally unknown to him. This point being once reached, there is only an artificial barrier to prevent his sympathies extending to the men of all nations and races.”

_________________“As man advances in civilization, and small tribes are united into larger communities, the simplest reason would tell each individual that he ought to extend his social instincts and sympathies to all members of the same nation, though personally unknown to him. This point being once reached, there is only an artificial barrier to prevent his sympathies extending to the men of all nations and races.”

Raggamuffin wrote:Do they lie to the job centre then? If they are offered a job and do it for a day or whatever and then don't turn up, they effectively made themselves unemployed and wouldn't be eligible for job seekers allowance.

So long as you show you are looking they don't hound you. At least not until after a few months. Then they get the whip out and tell you to take any job you can. I spent a very brief period on Jobseekers before I turned self employed. It was horrible.

So long as you show you are looking they don't hound you. At least not until after a few months. Then they get the whip out and tell you to take any job you can. I spent a very brief period on Jobseekers before I turned self employed. It was horrible.

Yes, but do they not ask if you actually got the job you applied for?

Yes, of course. But I didn't get any of the jobs I applied for. I worked for years as a PA, can type 70 words a minute, etc, but didn't even get the interviews. Why? My age. The woman at the job centre told me, off the record, that my age was against me. So I thought...fuck this..I'll go self employed. I've not looked back.

So long as you show you are looking they don't hound you. At least not until after a few months. Then they get the whip out and tell you to take any job you can. I spent a very brief period on Jobseekers before I turned self employed. It was horrible.

Yes, but do they not ask if you actually got the job you applied for?

Are you asking about the employment office? I think they learn automatically when your new employment papers come through.

So long as you show you are looking they don't hound you. At least not until after a few months. Then they get the whip out and tell you to take any job you can. I spent a very brief period on Jobseekers before I turned self employed. It was horrible.

Yes, but do they not ask if you actually got the job you applied for?

I mean...I got all dressed up and everything....just can't understand it.

*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:Hey, if you let me in, I'll work a full-time job at a fish and chips place. I'll proudly take out the trash, change the cooking oil AND come up with quirky promotions on social media to drive business up!

You will stink of fish and also I would get really, really fat because of all the free chips I would eat and then where would we be? Huh? Huh?

Fat and stinky. That’s where.

_________________“Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted”― Ralph Waldo Emerson

*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:Hey, if you let me in, I'll work a full-time job at a fish and chips place. I'll proudly take out the trash, change the cooking oil AND come up with quirky promotions on social media to drive business up!

You will stink of fish and also I would get really, really fat because of all the free chips I would eat and then where would we be? Huh? Huh?

Fat and stinky. That’s where.

I saw this film together together with new girlfriend and thought of you both

*THE Ben Reilly* wrote:Hey, if you let me in, I'll work a full-time job at a fish and chips place. I'll proudly take out the trash, change the cooking oil AND come up with quirky promotions on social media to drive business up!

You will stink of fish and also I would get really, really fat because of all the free chips I would eat and then where would we be? Huh? Huh?

Fat and stinky. That’s where.

FUCK

YOU

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I'm still a bit confused about the way the system works re JSA. People have to show they're looking for a job, I get that. If they then get a job and leave after a day, don't they have to explain themselves to the benefits people? Do they lie and say they were never offered the job? Don't the benefits people check this out?

Are you asking about the employment office? I think they learn automatically when your new employment papers come through.

What new employment papers? I doubt there would be time for a P45 to be issues. However, yes, I'm asking if the benefits people know if someone took a job and then left after a day. If someone did that, they made themselves unemployed and would therefore not be eligible for Job Seekers Allowance.

Are you asking about the employment office? I think they learn automatically when your new employment papers come through.

What new employment papers? I doubt there would be time for a P45 to be issues. However, yes, I'm asking if the benefits people know if someone took a job and then left after a day. If someone did that, they made themselves unemployed and would therefore not be eligible for Job Seekers Allowance.

Are you asking about the employment office? I think they learn automatically when your new employment papers come through.

What new employment papers? I doubt there would be time for a P45 to be issues. However, yes, I'm asking if the benefits people know if someone took a job and then left after a day. If someone did that, they made themselves unemployed and would therefore not be eligible for Job Seekers Allowance.

Time for you guys to update your procedures. C'mon guys, this is the age of computers. In the US, when someone is employed the tax division is notified, the employment office, the social security department, and any labor related office is electronically notified immediately--or as soon as the clerk gets back from her coffee break.

Keep in mind that the US is 54 different governments, yet the notice goes out to all of them, post haste. Maybe it's time for the British Home Office to get off it's dumpy arse and get to work.

What new employment papers? I doubt there would be time for a P45 to be issues. However, yes, I'm asking if the benefits people know if someone took a job and then left after a day. If someone did that, they made themselves unemployed and would therefore not be eligible for Job Seekers Allowance.

Time for you guys to update your procedures. C'mon guys, this is the age of computers. In the US, when someone is employed the tax division is notified, the employment office, the social security department, and any labor related office is electronically notified immediately--or as soon as the clerk gets back from her coffee break.

Keep in mind that the US is 54 different governments, yet the notice goes out to all of them, post haste. Maybe it's time for the British Home Office to get off it's dumpy arse and get to work.

It's more likely that the owner of the chippy hasn't had the chance to do the paperwork.

Raggamuffin wrote:I'm still a bit confused about the way the system works re JSA. People have to show they're looking for a job, I get that. If they then get a job and leave after a day, don't they have to explain themselves to the benefits people? Do they lie and say they were never offered the job? Don't the benefits people check this out?

You do so shit at the interview (by doing things like saying I'm on here for the dole check) that you never get offered a job

And of course they bloody lie

they only have the man power to check like 2% so as long as your not the most obvious scammer out of 50 others, you can get away with it for ages

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Raggamuffin wrote:I'm still a bit confused about the way the system works re JSA. People have to show they're looking for a job, I get that. If they then get a job and leave after a day, don't they have to explain themselves to the benefits people? Do they lie and say they were never offered the job? Don't the benefits people check this out?

You do so shit at the interview (by doing things like saying I'm on here for the dole check) that you never get offered a job

And of course they bloody lie

they only have the man power to check like 2% so as long as your not the most obvious scammer out of 50 others, you can get away with it for ages

But some of them were offered the job, and even started the job. I think that people on JSA have to go for interviews at the benefits office, but I'm not sure.

Raggamuffin wrote:I'm still a bit confused about the way the system works re JSA. People have to show they're looking for a job, I get that. If they then get a job and leave after a day, don't they have to explain themselves to the benefits people? Do they lie and say they were never offered the job? Don't the benefits people check this out?

You do so shit at the interview (by doing things like saying I'm on here for the dole check) that you never get offered a job

And of course they bloody lie

they only have the man power to check like 2% so as long as your not the most obvious scammer out of 50 others, you can get away with it for ages

But some of them were offered the job, and even started the job. I think that people on JSA have to go for interviews at the benefits office, but I'm not sure.

they do go for interviews down here, they lie or use it for some more complex scam the ones that worked a few days are probably now trying for pension benefits for the hurt back they got lifting boxes of chips

they do get caught out every so often, the ones offered a job probably weren't planning on it so had to make up something quick for the dole office, which they may or may not have been successful with.

the system is not secure enough to catch them all, and can't be made so without making it to onerous on legitimate job seekers.

like i said originally they are just a product of the system that allows this niche survival.but it really is a shitty life as someone that grew up around it I would compare the lifestyle to that of a rat. constantly moving, just getting a nibble here and a nibble there if they're too greedy they get caught, and they are always a risk of been caught out

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We don't know the Questions... does that means we cannot seek the Answers?

What new employment papers? I doubt there would be time for a P45 to be issues. However, yes, I'm asking if the benefits people know if someone took a job and then left after a day. If someone did that, they made themselves unemployed and would therefore not be eligible for Job Seekers Allowance.

Time for you guys to update your procedures. C'mon guys, this is the age of computers. In the US, when someone is employed the tax division is notified, the employment office, the social security department, and any labor related office is electronically notified immediately--or as soon as the clerk gets back from her coffee break.

Keep in mind that the US is 54 different governments, yet the notice goes out to all of them, post haste. Maybe it's time for the British Home Office to get off it's dumpy arse and get to work.

Don't blame us. The EU calls all the shots at moment regarding employment rights and laws.