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Angry, annoyed, irritated, pissed, furious and many other things all at once.

Ash yells stop and Team Rocket stop to have a battle with him? Seriously? Are you f-ing retarded? YOU HAD THE DOOR TO THE ANCIENT DOOR OPENED! WHY THE HELL DID YOU JUST NOT GO THROUGH THE DOOR? DID YOU ACTUALLY THINK YOU HAD A CHANCE AGAINST ASH?

Ugh.

Team Rocket is completely and utterly retarded. Waste of an episode, seriously.

I don't think going through the "door" would have really done anything, Ash and the others would have just followed and end up kicking them out of the world.

I don't think going through the "door" would have really done anything, Ash and the others would have just followed and end up kicking them out of the world.

But we don't know that, do we? What bothers me the most is that TR stopped when Ash told 'em to stop! -.-

Are they villains or what?

Originally Posted by phanpycross

I feel like this fandom idolizes Ash way too much. It was bad before, but with XY and S&M it feels like it has reached a whole new level. It's like every person that doesnt outright dislike him is obviously obsessed with with him, and every person who does him wrong is evil incarnate.

Living through other people is unhealthy; living through fictional 10-year olds that are stuck in a timeloop is super unhealthy.

But we don't know that, do we? What bothers me the most is that TR stopped when Ash told 'em to stop! -.-

Are they villains or what?

Well Ash and the others ended up going through the "door" anyways, I'm sure they wouldn't just stand there and let them go through, they'd go after and make sure they don't cause trouble. Personally, I simply laughed when they stopped, doesn't bother me at all.

Villains are meant to lose, they can't help what the writers plan to do.

And cue all the whiners about Team Rocket failing (when it's obvious they will because that's how the friggin' show works!), because apparently you're only threatening and competant if you always win. Let's ignore all the blatant threatening, competant stuff the TRio and Zager were doing here, no, they lost so that means they're total failures. SIGH.

Originally Posted by realarcastform

So... what was the reason for this two-parter?
Was it really necessary?

Oh, and to have a nice action/adventure story, but no, I suppose that's not a good enough reason. Heaven forbid we have one of those when we could have episodes devoted to a Pokemon training to learn some new move instead! Honestly, what you people find "exciting and important" and "boring and unneccessary" is all mirrored around......

Originally Posted by (P.O.K.E.M.O.N.)

The whole best wishes series is a waste of time

Wow. The hypocrisy levels are so high right now it's staggering.

Originally Posted by Pepsi_Plunge

Going to agree here even though I didn't dislike(did not enjoy it that much either), from all the two parters this one cold seriously have been done in one episode.

No, the first part was needed for all the exposition, of which there was alot of (Finding the fossil, Fujio's past with Carricosta, Zager's plan and how it works, etc.)

Are you seriously saying ONE episode could fit all that in and a big, satisfying battle? Because you're wrong.

Originally Posted by gliscor&yanmega

I don't think going through the "door" would have really done anything, Ash and the others would have just followed and end up kicking them out of the world.

Exactly. Ash and the others were actively in their way and trying to stop them. TR has an obligation to try and finish them off. They knew Ash wasn't going to quit.

I haven't seen this episode yet, but one thing does disappoint me. Most two parters are built up over a short period of time so it's not that big of a deal that the actual two parter didn't end up being significant. This on the other hand had been built up since EPISODE 6, I expected more of a payoff.

I wish Team Rocket would take these three Terracostas they caught in their trap for a while. Seriously, they need some wins not only loses =(. How are we supposed to take them seriously.

I find that they can get a win when their character development curve legitimately has them gain the skills to do so rather than what Best Wishes did with TRio suddenly being no nonsense and competent at their job despite 13+ years saying otherwise. And even then it wouldn't be all the time, just enough to establish them as actual villains.

Blue likes the Dancing Trpinch so should you.If you approve of Black and White's new anime-only lead Iris, put this in your sig(started by TrainerOfLegend)

I haven't seen this episode yet, but one thing does disappoint me. Most two parters are built up over a short period of time so it's not that big of a deal that the actual two parter didn't end up being significant. This on the other hand had been built up since EPISODE 6, I expected more of a payoff.

....No, it was built up since episode 39.

They used something obtained in Episode 6 (dream energy), but that was already utilized before in the Meteonite mission, which was what Episode 6 was directly building to.

OK, may I ask WHAT about this episode people find "boring"? Is it just because of the (idiotic) backlash against serious Team Rocket? Is it because there were no captures, which this fandom seems to think is the most important thing even though "Gotta Catch 'Em All" is deader than disco? Is it hatred toward Carracosta? Was the battle not good enough?

All these events that happened in previous episode, collections stones and energy - everything so we could get THIS? I thought it would turn out to be a piece of a larger plot but yet again - we got another two-parter which changed completely nothing.

Nothing changed and that's what bothers me the most.

Originally Posted by phanpycross

I feel like this fandom idolizes Ash way too much. It was bad before, but with XY and S&M it feels like it has reached a whole new level. It's like every person that doesnt outright dislike him is obviously obsessed with with him, and every person who does him wrong is evil incarnate.

Living through other people is unhealthy; living through fictional 10-year olds that are stuck in a timeloop is super unhealthy.

OK, may I ask WHAT about this episode people find "boring"? Is it just because of the (idiotic) backlash against serious Team Rocket? Is it because there were no captures, which this fandom seems to think is the most important thing even though "Gotta Catch 'Em All" is deader than disco? Is it hatred toward Carracosta? Was the battle not good enough?

I am seriously confused as to how this was boring.

My god, will you get over yourself with Team Rocket and Trip. Not everything is some veiled jab at them.

It was boring because nothing happend. The plot started forty episodes ago and we got this at the end. The first episode was pretty much just talking and back-story, and then Tirtuoga ran off. Then there was more talking, until we reached the climax battle, which was nothing exceptional as it was really just the same old Team Rocket battle that we've seen since the second episode (well at least it was sort of a tag battle). The whole two-parter just felt very lacklustre and boring for something that had started so long ago.

People have opinions on episodes, and if you found this exciting, great, post about it here and what not. But there's not need to leap to the defence of the episodes if people found these boring. It's not like the claims are completely wrong or anything (a la after Iris won the don tournament).

All these events that happened in previous episode, collections stones and energy - everything so we could get THIS? I thought it would turn out to be a piece of a larger plot but yet again - we got another two-parter which changed completely nothing.

Nothing changed and that's what bothers me the most.

You honestly expect some big, status-quo shaking change in the Pokemon anime? Sorry, it's not going to happen.

Yes, all the events were leading to this. Nothing was ever going to change afterward and I'm shocked people actually thought they were.

And how do you know it ISN'T a piece of a larger plot? Just because Team Rocket failed doesn't mean this won't come up again later or something will come out of it. Ash has met Dr. Zager now, that could be followed up on. And Zager's helicopter is damaged, that could mean something for Team Rocket. You just have to be patient.

Originally Posted by ~Sapphire Sceptile~

My god, will you get over yourself with Team Rocket and Trip. Not everything is some veiled jab at them.

In this fandom? Yes, it often is.

Seriously, if this kind of story happened with Pokemon Hunter J or Team Galactic playing the villain back in D/P, I doubt people would complain. But with BW Team Rocket, it's all "boring!" and "nothing changed!" and "this is just the same old stuff" (all of which Team Rocket had certainly not fallen into prior to BW, right? -_-)

Originally Posted by ~Sapphire Sceptile~

The first episode was pretty much just talking and back-story, and then Tirtuoga ran off. Then there was more talking, until we reached the climax battle, which was nothing exceptional as it was really just the same old Team Rocket battle that we've seen since the second episode (well at least it was sort of a tag battle). The whole two-parter just felt very lacklustre and boring for something that had started so long ago.

1. Unless you speak Japanese, you have no idea what all the talking was about. How can you judge it boring or not? It could be, sure, but we don't know until we have subs.

2. This sounds more like the problem is the unreasonable expectations of fans. What did they expect to happen; Team Rocket to win and get a prehistoric army? Get real!

3. It's not as if this was continually built up after it started in Episode 39, as we had the Nimbasa Subway / Meowth arc AND the Milos Island / Kami Trio arc in between the starting point for the build-up and it's continuation at Chargestone Cave in Episode 64. Until then, most people had actually forgotten about it! It shouldn't be that much of a let-down.

You honestly expect some big, status-quo shaking change in the Pokemon anime? Sorry, it's not going to happen.

I was expecting something, even something little. I was expecting a small scene after the end of the episode (when Ash and co. depart and then the scene shifts to Team Rocket foreshadowing their next plan). I was expecting SOMETHING!

But I didn't get anything and that's disappointing overall. Am I supposed to enjoy these disconnected plots where we all know the outcome?

Originally Posted by AgentPierce

And how do you know it ISN'T a piece of a larger plot? Just because Team Rocket failed doesn't mean this won't come up again later or something will come out of it. Ash has met Dr. Zager now, that could be followed up on. And Zager's helicopter is damaged, that could mean something for Team Rocket. You just have to be patient.

Even I can only be patient for the certain amount of time.

*sigh*

A disappointing two-parter. I guess I'll just wait for Team Plasma now ...

Originally Posted by phanpycross

I feel like this fandom idolizes Ash way too much. It was bad before, but with XY and S&M it feels like it has reached a whole new level. It's like every person that doesnt outright dislike him is obviously obsessed with with him, and every person who does him wrong is evil incarnate.

Living through other people is unhealthy; living through fictional 10-year olds that are stuck in a timeloop is super unhealthy.

Angry, annoyed, irritated, pissed, furious and many other things all at once.

Ash yells stop and Team Rocket stop to have a battle with him? Seriously? Are you f-ing retarded? YOU HAD THE DOOR TO THE ANCIENT DOOR OPENED! WHY THE HELL DID YOU JUST NOT GO THROUGH THE DOOR? DID YOU ACTUALLY THINK YOU HAD A CHANCE AGAINST ASH?

Ugh.

Team Rocket is completely and utterly retarded. Waste of an episode, seriously.

I'm glad someone else agrees. I didn't watch the episode, but I could tell just by looking at the pictures that it was a complete waste of time. Like I said a million times in the official thread, Team Rocket is redundant; we could have had the same type of episode, or maybe even something better, without them. They managed to open the portal to the past, but like I expected, it didn't really matter because their plan failed in the end. Nothing happened except that a COTD's Pokemon evolved. If I had to rate this episode, I would give it a 1 out of 10, which is the lowest score I've ever given to an episode.

OK, may I ask WHAT about this episode people find "boring"? Is it just because of the (idiotic) backlash against serious Team Rocket? Is it because there were no captures, which this fandom seems to think is the most important thing even though "Gotta Catch 'Em All" is deader than disco? Is it hatred toward Carracosta? Was the battle not good enough?

I am seriously confused as to how this was boring.

Personally, this episode and the other one look fine to me, I haven't actually watched them but I've seen the pictures. I'll have to watch the episodes and know what's being said to really know how I feel about these episodes but from the pictures I know I'm going to enjoy them to some degree.

I enjoy the Team Rocket two partners since I enjoy seeing Team Rocket.

Regardless if an evolution/capture/new move is learned/whatever doesn't happen in an episodes I'm not going to hate on it or find it boring or anything, there's more to episodes then those things.

As it is, Pokemon has different types of episodes; comedic, action, and adventuress to be the most common ones, so long as I find an episode funny or action pack or adventuress then I'm satisfied with whatever was shown. I don't think these episodes were meant to be really comedic(The two parters never really were), but they had action and some adventure so it's fine by me.

I don't think I'm going to love these episodes or anything but I'm sure I'll enjoy it and wont have any harsh comments to say.

Am I supposed to enjoy these disconnected plots where we all know the outcome?

The outcome's always obvious, it's all that happens before it that I enjoy.

And again, we have no idea if these plots are going to remain disconnected, as we have no idea what Team Rocket will do in the future or how they'll be wrapped up at the end of BW. Nobody expected the Dream Energy gathered for the Meteonite mission to come back into play, but it did. Hell, nobody really expected Dr. Zager, introduced toward the end of the Meteonite mission, to have such an increased role, but he has. Things that transpired here just might be referenced or have bearing in the future, we just have to wait and see.

Originally Posted by The 4th KIRA

Like I said a million times in the official thread, Team Rocket is redundant; we could have had the same type of episode, or maybe even something better, without them.

Right, and they clearly were not at all redundant in the hundreds and hundreds of episodes before they became serious and stopped appearing regularly.

Originally Posted by gliscor&yanmega

Regardless if an evolution/capture/new move is learned/whatever doesn't happen in an episodes I'm not going to hate on it or find it boring or anything, there's more to episodes then those things.

THANK YOU. Finally, someone GETS it. I'm sick of fans thinking episodes have to play out like a Let's Play of the Pokemon games, where a Pokemon gets captured or levels up or evolves or something. Sometimes, it's nice to see a cartoon be a freaking cartoon and have a good action/adventure story like this one (or a comedic one, like some derided "fillers".)

OK, may I ask WHAT about this episode people find "boring"? Is it just because of the (idiotic) backlash against serious Team Rocket? Is it because there were no captures, which this fandom seems to think is the most important thing even though "Gotta Catch 'Em All" is deader than disco? Is it hatred toward Carracosta? Was the battle not good enough?

I am seriously confused as to how this was boring.

Its because this seriously didn't need to be a two-parter. All it was is another Team Rocket-centric filler that we've been accustomed to since Johto.

Formula:
1. Team Rocket have a plan to steal pokemon X for reason Y - Ash and co. conveniently meet Pokemon X (and sometimes its trainer also)
2. Team Rocket make up some devious plan to capture pokemon X that fails
3. They then have to resort to taking it by force and show how pathetically weak their pokemon are compared to the main group's
4. Pokemon X aids in preventing its capture somehow and the battle ends most often with a Thunderbolt from Pikachu
5. Happy ending for Pokemon X