Often is it impossible to see cyclists. Some ride without lights, think just a dirty reflective arm band is good enough and many believe drivers are psychic and know that a cyclist is about to dash in front you for no apparent reason.
The most sensible cyclist I have ever seen was using front and rear strobe lights on a dismal day. Noticed him/her from 200 yds.

Often is it impossible to see cyclists. Some ride without lights, think just a dirty reflective arm band is good enough and many believe drivers are psychic and know that a cyclist is about to dash in front you for no apparent reason.
The most sensible cyclist I have ever seen was using front and rear strobe lights on a dismal day. Noticed him/her from 200 yds.High Treason

Would be much more effective to throw the book at every cyclist who goes round running red lights, cutting people up and no end of other antisocial and unsafe road practises. I've never once in my life hit a cyclist but had many nearly hit me and some actually succeed where they are trying to undertake cars that are indicating left etc

Would be much more effective to throw the book at every cyclist who goes round running red lights, cutting people up and no end of other antisocial and unsafe road practises. I've never once in my life hit a cyclist but had many nearly hit me and some actually succeed where they are trying to undertake cars that are indicating left etcanigel

anigel wrote:
Would be much more effective to throw the book at every cyclist who goes round running red lights, cutting people up and no end of other antisocial and unsafe road practises. I've never once in my life hit a cyclist but had many nearly hit me and some actually succeed where they are trying to undertake cars that are indicating left etc

Very well said, let's see some action from the police on this one , ah trouble is not enough police ....sadly , that is why they get away with it, us drivers have number plates so easy catch.

[quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote:
Would be much more effective to throw the book at every cyclist who goes round running red lights, cutting people up and no end of other antisocial and unsafe road practises. I've never once in my life hit a cyclist but had many nearly hit me and some actually succeed where they are trying to undertake cars that are indicating left etc[/p][/quote]Very well said, let's see some action from the police on this one , ah trouble is not enough police ....sadly , that is why they get away with it, us drivers have number plates so easy catch.skydriver

If the Council want to help cyclists keep safer they could supply the cyclists with High visibility yellow cycle riding slip over probably sponsered by a local company advertising on it. Maybe Dave Wells would sponser it or a local Hotel

If the Council want to help cyclists keep safer they could supply the cyclists with High visibility yellow cycle riding slip over probably sponsered by a local company advertising on it. Maybe Dave Wells would sponser it or a local Hotelmudeford7

Al the cars drivers out there will have had a test at some point, do all the cyclists take a test also, make it compulsory it will make a difference. Simple things like " look over your shoulder before changing direction" might even prevent them from injury. Cycle proficiency test or bikeability will help

Al the cars drivers out there will have had a test at some point, do all the cyclists take a test also, make it compulsory it will make a difference. Simple things like " look over your shoulder before changing direction" might even prevent them from injury. Cycle proficiency test or bikeability will helpcheeriedriteup

Thank goodness, I was beginning to worry. We were four days in to the new year and had yet to have a good provocative bikes vs cars story in The Echo. We can all stand down now, everything is back to normal!

Thank goodness, I was beginning to worry. We were four days in to the new year and had yet to have a good provocative bikes vs cars story in The Echo. We can all stand down now, everything is back to normal!ranger_bob

mudeford7 wrote:
If the Council want to help cyclists keep safer they could supply the cyclists with High visibility yellow cycle riding slip over probably sponsered by a local company advertising on it. Maybe Dave Wells would sponser it or a local Hotel

I think having the name "DAVE WELLS" on your back may make cyclists a perfect target !!

[quote][p][bold]mudeford7[/bold] wrote:
If the Council want to help cyclists keep safer they could supply the cyclists with High visibility yellow cycle riding slip over probably sponsered by a local company advertising on it. Maybe Dave Wells would sponser it or a local Hotel[/p][/quote]I think having the name "DAVE WELLS" on your back may make cyclists a perfect target !!Chris the plumber

It's about time this council realised that the idea to ride a bike is up to the individual not the council. If you want to ride a bike then ride it but don't try and force car drivers to ride if they don't want to.
When you buy a bike it should be part of the deal that you have to attend a training course and have to have a helmet, hiviz jacket and lights. Not just ride it out of the shop onto congested roads.

It's about time this council realised that the idea to ride a bike is up to the individual not the council. If you want to ride a bike then ride it but don't try and force car drivers to ride if they don't want to.
When you buy a bike it should be part of the deal that you have to attend a training course and have to have a helmet, hiviz jacket and lights. Not just ride it out of the shop onto congested roads.Townee

Wasting tax payers money, one of the few things that Bournemouth Council is very good at.
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Most motorists will not bother to read, many will just remove and bin them or they'll blow off and litter the streets.
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Ian Karla is right when he says “It is important that we create a mutual respect between different road users.” . Its easy to point the finger of blame at motorists but until cyclists begin to show more responsibility for their own safety and consideration for other road users. There are still plenty of cyclists riding around town with inadequate lights fitted to their bikes, no hi-viz clothing, and jumping red lights etc.
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Wasting tax payers money, one of the few things that Bournemouth Council is very good at.
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Most motorists will not bother to read, many will just remove and bin them or they'll blow off and litter the streets.
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Ian Karla is right when he says “It is important that we create a mutual respect between different road users.” . Its easy to point the finger of blame at motorists but until cyclists begin to show more responsibility for their own safety and consideration for other road users. There are still plenty of cyclists riding around town with inadequate lights fitted to their bikes, no hi-viz clothing, and jumping red lights etc.
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-there is no test for cyclists because there is no need for one. No country in the world has one, as it is a ridiculous idea, and you make yourself look stupid suggesting it.
-80% of commuting cyclists have a driving licence as well. As they have seen the roads from inside and outside of a car, they are more likely to be able to tell what is the safest way to cycle.
-it is cars killing cyclists and pedestrians that is the problem. We have had one recent serious injury to a pedestrian by a cyclist, that has been front page news for months. Injuries like that caused by a car on a pedestrian aren't even reported as it is so common.

Addressing a few points from idiots here:
-there is no test for cyclists because there is no need for one. No country in the world has one, as it is a ridiculous idea, and you make yourself look stupid suggesting it.
-80% of commuting cyclists have a driving licence as well. As they have seen the roads from inside and outside of a car, they are more likely to be able to tell what is the safest way to cycle.
-it is cars killing cyclists and pedestrians that is the problem. We have had one recent serious injury to a pedestrian by a cyclist, that has been front page news for months. Injuries like that caused by a car on a pedestrian aren't even reported as it is so common.FNS-man

nosuchluck54 wrote:
Why oh why would you ask any member of the B*STA** regarding anything relevant to cycle safety.

The Bournemouth Taxi and Private Hire Trade with nearly 1,100 licensed drivers are by far the biggest users of the areas roads. The BSTA is a joint representative of the Trade and so the Daily Echo are more liable to ask a body of people who jointly motor in excess of fifteen million miles a year than just one motorist that covers around ten thousand miles

[quote][p][bold]nosuchluck54[/bold] wrote:
Why oh why would you ask any member of the B*STA** regarding anything relevant to cycle safety.[/p][/quote]The Bournemouth Taxi and Private Hire Trade with nearly 1,100 licensed drivers are by far the biggest users of the areas roads. The BSTA is a joint representative of the Trade and so the Daily Echo are more liable to ask a body of people who jointly motor in excess of fifteen million miles a year than just one motorist that covers around ten thousand milesAshley Miller

nosuchluck54 wrote:
Why oh why would you ask any member of the B*STA** regarding anything relevant to cycle safety.

The Bournemouth Taxi and Private Hire Trade with nearly 1,100 licensed drivers are by far the biggest users of the areas roads. The BSTA is a joint representative of the Trade and so the Daily Echo are more liable to ask a body of people who jointly motor in excess of fifteen million miles a year than just one motorist that covers around ten thousand miles

Yeah impressive but how many of your fellow 1100 drivers actually said they thought they were ineffective and a waste of money ?

[quote][p][bold]Ashley Miller[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]nosuchluck54[/bold] wrote:
Why oh why would you ask any member of the B*STA** regarding anything relevant to cycle safety.[/p][/quote]The Bournemouth Taxi and Private Hire Trade with nearly 1,100 licensed drivers are by far the biggest users of the areas roads. The BSTA is a joint representative of the Trade and so the Daily Echo are more liable to ask a body of people who jointly motor in excess of fifteen million miles a year than just one motorist that covers around ten thousand miles[/p][/quote]Yeah impressive but how many of your fellow 1100 drivers actually said they thought they were ineffective and a waste of money ?nosuchluck54

-there is no test for cyclists because there is no need for one. No country in the world has one, as it is a ridiculous idea, and you make yourself look stupid suggesting it.
-80% of commuting cyclists have a driving licence as well. As they have seen the roads from inside and outside of a car, they are more likely to be able to tell what is the safest way to cycle.
-it is cars killing cyclists and pedestrians that is the problem. We have had one recent serious injury to a pedestrian by a cyclist, that has been front page news for months. Injuries like that caused by a car on a pedestrian aren't even reported as it is so common.

Not cars killing cyclists, it idiotic cyclists killing and injuring themselves through sheer stupidity, if some of these cyclists also have a driving licence as you suggest then their driving skills should also be called into question.

[quote][p][bold]FNS-man[/bold] wrote:
Addressing a few points from idiots here:
-there is no test for cyclists because there is no need for one. No country in the world has one, as it is a ridiculous idea, and you make yourself look stupid suggesting it.
-80% of commuting cyclists have a driving licence as well. As they have seen the roads from inside and outside of a car, they are more likely to be able to tell what is the safest way to cycle.
-it is cars killing cyclists and pedestrians that is the problem. We have had one recent serious injury to a pedestrian by a cyclist, that has been front page news for months. Injuries like that caused by a car on a pedestrian aren't even reported as it is so common.[/p][/quote]Not cars killing cyclists, it idiotic cyclists killing and injuring themselves through sheer stupidity, if some of these cyclists also have a driving licence as you suggest then their driving skills should also be called into question.Hessenford

-there is no test for cyclists because there is no need for one. No country in the world has one, as it is a ridiculous idea, and you make yourself look stupid suggesting it.
-80% of commuting cyclists have a driving licence as well. As they have seen the roads from inside and outside of a car, they are more likely to be able to tell what is the safest way to cycle.
-it is cars killing cyclists and pedestrians that is the problem. We have had one recent serious injury to a pedestrian by a cyclist, that has been front page news for months. Injuries like that caused by a car on a pedestrian aren't even reported as it is so common.

Spot on but don't forget this is the echo. I notice you're the only one with thumbs down. Bournemouth is so anti cyclist it's embarrassing. A handful of weird cycle lanes that direct cyclists straight into busy traffic and just end. Nowhere to even park bikes in town, a road 2 lanes wide along the seafront which connects Bournemouth with Poole where it's a free for all with priority given to pedestrians (and a 30 ton, 200ft lorry called a train). As you say, people are injured by cars every day but once a cyclist does something they are all over it "tax them, ban them" etc, usually followed by a great anecdote about "Lycra louts". Bournemouth has great potential for cycling but as usual it's wasted by the handful of old fogies that run the place. A few leaflets will not encourage people to cycle, forward thinking and tolerance would be better but not in Bournemouth.

[quote][p][bold]FNS-man[/bold] wrote:
Addressing a few points from idiots here:
-there is no test for cyclists because there is no need for one. No country in the world has one, as it is a ridiculous idea, and you make yourself look stupid suggesting it.
-80% of commuting cyclists have a driving licence as well. As they have seen the roads from inside and outside of a car, they are more likely to be able to tell what is the safest way to cycle.
-it is cars killing cyclists and pedestrians that is the problem. We have had one recent serious injury to a pedestrian by a cyclist, that has been front page news for months. Injuries like that caused by a car on a pedestrian aren't even reported as it is so common.[/p][/quote]Spot on but don't forget this is the echo. I notice you're the only one with thumbs down. Bournemouth is so anti cyclist it's embarrassing. A handful of weird cycle lanes that direct cyclists straight into busy traffic and just end. Nowhere to even park bikes in town, a road 2 lanes wide along the seafront which connects Bournemouth with Poole where it's a free for all with priority given to pedestrians (and a 30 ton, 200ft lorry called a train). As you say, people are injured by cars every day but once a cyclist does something they are all over it "tax them, ban them" etc, usually followed by a great anecdote about "Lycra louts". Bournemouth has great potential for cycling but as usual it's wasted by the handful of old fogies that run the place. A few leaflets will not encourage people to cycle, forward thinking and tolerance would be better but not in Bournemouth.Ziggy starburst

This whole thing smacks of blaming car drivers for accidents involving cyclists - which is ridiculous.

Having been a cyclist, motorbike rider and now car driver, I know from first hand experience that some car drivers don't look out for cyclists or bikers - BUT equally, I have seen cyclists and bikers acting as if they are the only thing on the road, dashing in and out of other vehicles, jumping red lights and swerving into another lane willy nilly.

If this country really want to get behind our European counterparts by making every town cycle friendly, they could do well to start with compulsory cycling proficiency lessons for children in after school clubs, as was the case when I was a child and hope the next generation will grow up to respect other road users.

In the meantime, the Police could make a start by issuing heavy fines for cyclists who break the law by jumping red lights, crossing lanes and irresponsible cycling. At present they act as if they are above the law - and the law allows this to continue.

Cycle accidents will continue to happen, but targeting car drivers in this way is reinforcing the cyclists mentality that car drivers are a menace on the roads …… when often it is the cyclists at fault

This whole thing smacks of blaming car drivers for accidents involving cyclists - which is ridiculous.
Having been a cyclist, motorbike rider and now car driver, I know from first hand experience that some car drivers don't look out for cyclists or bikers - BUT equally, I have seen cyclists and bikers acting as if they are the only thing on the road, dashing in and out of other vehicles, jumping red lights and swerving into another lane willy nilly.
If this country really want to get behind our European counterparts by making every town cycle friendly, they could do well to start with compulsory cycling proficiency lessons for children in after school clubs, as was the case when I was a child and hope the next generation will grow up to respect other road users.
In the meantime, the Police could make a start by issuing heavy fines for cyclists who break the law by jumping red lights, crossing lanes and irresponsible cycling. At present they act as if they are above the law - and the law allows this to continue.
Cycle accidents will continue to happen, but targeting car drivers in this way is reinforcing the cyclists mentality that car drivers are a menace on the roads …… when often it is the cyclists at faultwe-shall-see

FNS-man wrote:
Addressing a few points from idiots here: -there is no test for cyclists because there is no need for one. No country in the world has one, as it is a ridiculous idea, and you make yourself look stupid suggesting it. -80% of commuting cyclists have a driving licence as well. As they have seen the roads from inside and outside of a car, they are more likely to be able to tell what is the safest way to cycle. -it is cars killing cyclists and pedestrians that is the problem. We have had one recent serious injury to a pedestrian by a cyclist, that has been front page news for months. Injuries like that caused by a car on a pedestrian aren't even reported as it is so common.

And as if we needed any proof you are quite right simply read the comments on the other story...........

"Woman left 'traumatised' after collision urges witnesses to come forward"

[quote][p][bold]FNS-man[/bold] wrote:
Addressing a few points from idiots here: -there is no test for cyclists because there is no need for one. No country in the world has one, as it is a ridiculous idea, and you make yourself look stupid suggesting it. -80% of commuting cyclists have a driving licence as well. As they have seen the roads from inside and outside of a car, they are more likely to be able to tell what is the safest way to cycle. -it is cars killing cyclists and pedestrians that is the problem. We have had one recent serious injury to a pedestrian by a cyclist, that has been front page news for months. Injuries like that caused by a car on a pedestrian aren't even reported as it is so common.[/p][/quote]And as if we needed any proof you are quite right simply read the comments on the other story...........
"Woman left 'traumatised' after collision urges witnesses to come forward"scrumpyjack

nickynoodah wrote:
Imagine the carnage if George ventured from his warden controlled bedsit
especially if he had been smoking his comfort weed
or had smelled the barmaids apron
OMG

You do know that the idea of the site is to post comments relating to the article don't you? It not just to write down the stream of words in your head

[quote][p][bold]nickynoodah[/bold] wrote:
Imagine the carnage if George ventured from his warden controlled bedsit
especially if he had been smoking his comfort weed
or had smelled the barmaids apron
OMG[/p][/quote]You do know that the idea of the site is to post comments relating to the article don't you? It not just to write down the stream of words in your headZiggy starburst

nosuchluck54 wrote:
Why oh why would you ask any member of the B*STA** regarding anything relevant to cycle safety.

The Bournemouth Taxi and Private Hire Trade with nearly 1,100 licensed drivers are by far the biggest users of the areas roads. The BSTA is a joint representative of the Trade and so the Daily Echo are more liable to ask a body of people who jointly motor in excess of fifteen million miles a year than just one motorist that covers around ten thousand miles

Yeah impressive but how many of your fellow 1100 drivers actually said they thought they were ineffective and a waste of money ?

When l was asked yesterday by the Daily Echo my opinion l had not seen these signs so set off in search of the elusive item.
l spoke to my colleagues at the station rank and many reported that the only time they had seen them was littering the floor of Bournemouth's car parks.
If they were effective they would be taken home and either kept as a reminder or properly re-cycled,
I will leave it to you to work it out if by the mess left in the car parks if it is a waste of tax payers money!

[quote][p][bold]nosuchluck54[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Ashley Miller[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]nosuchluck54[/bold] wrote:
Why oh why would you ask any member of the B*STA** regarding anything relevant to cycle safety.[/p][/quote]The Bournemouth Taxi and Private Hire Trade with nearly 1,100 licensed drivers are by far the biggest users of the areas roads. The BSTA is a joint representative of the Trade and so the Daily Echo are more liable to ask a body of people who jointly motor in excess of fifteen million miles a year than just one motorist that covers around ten thousand miles[/p][/quote]Yeah impressive but how many of your fellow 1100 drivers actually said they thought they were ineffective and a waste of money ?[/p][/quote]When l was asked yesterday by the Daily Echo my opinion l had not seen these signs so set off in search of the elusive item.
l spoke to my colleagues at the station rank and many reported that the only time they had seen them was littering the floor of Bournemouth's car parks.
If they were effective they would be taken home and either kept as a reminder or properly re-cycled,
I will leave it to you to work it out if by the mess left in the car parks if it is a waste of tax payers money!Ashley Miller

nosuchluck54 wrote:
Why oh why would you ask any member of the B*STA** regarding anything relevant to cycle safety.

The Bournemouth Taxi and Private Hire Trade with nearly 1,100 licensed drivers are by far the biggest users of the areas roads. The BSTA is a joint representative of the Trade and so the Daily Echo are more liable to ask a body of people who jointly motor in excess of fifteen million miles a year than just one motorist that covers around ten thousand miles

Yeah impressive but how many of your fellow 1100 drivers actually said they thought they were ineffective and a waste of money ?

When l was asked yesterday by the Daily Echo my opinion l had not seen these signs so set off in search of the elusive item.
l spoke to my colleagues at the station rank and many reported that the only time they had seen them was littering the floor of Bournemouth's car parks.
If they were effective they would be taken home and either kept as a reminder or properly re-cycled,
I will leave it to you to work it out if by the mess left in the car parks if it is a waste of tax payers money!

No I worked that out ages ago I was just interested in how many fellow drivers/colleagues in the Taxi Trade you were speaking on behalf of, that's all

[quote][p][bold]Ashley Miller[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]nosuchluck54[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Ashley Miller[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]nosuchluck54[/bold] wrote:
Why oh why would you ask any member of the B*STA** regarding anything relevant to cycle safety.[/p][/quote]The Bournemouth Taxi and Private Hire Trade with nearly 1,100 licensed drivers are by far the biggest users of the areas roads. The BSTA is a joint representative of the Trade and so the Daily Echo are more liable to ask a body of people who jointly motor in excess of fifteen million miles a year than just one motorist that covers around ten thousand miles[/p][/quote]Yeah impressive but how many of your fellow 1100 drivers actually said they thought they were ineffective and a waste of money ?[/p][/quote]When l was asked yesterday by the Daily Echo my opinion l had not seen these signs so set off in search of the elusive item.
l spoke to my colleagues at the station rank and many reported that the only time they had seen them was littering the floor of Bournemouth's car parks.
If they were effective they would be taken home and either kept as a reminder or properly re-cycled,
I will leave it to you to work it out if by the mess left in the car parks if it is a waste of tax payers money![/p][/quote]No I worked that out ages ago I was just interested in how many fellow drivers/colleagues in the Taxi Trade you were speaking on behalf of, that's allnosuchluck54

My brother was killed whilst riding his bike 48 years ago and both my sons cycle. I'm VERY wary of cyclists. Whatever any leaflet or notice says, if it's placed on my car I discard it without a second glance. It's irritating and I don't like it.

My brother was killed whilst riding his bike 48 years ago and both my sons cycle. I'm VERY wary of cyclists. Whatever any leaflet or notice says, if it's placed on my car I discard it without a second glance. It's irritating and I don't like it.galadriel

"but Ashley Miller, chairman of the Bournemouth Station Taxi Association, said some of his fellow drivers believe they are ineffective"
Absolutely typical from a dim-witted taxi driver, all hail taxi drivers the kings of the road, they are worse than any cyclist anytime day or night.

"but Ashley Miller, chairman of the Bournemouth Station Taxi Association, said some of his fellow drivers believe they are ineffective"
Absolutely typical from a dim-witted taxi driver, all hail taxi drivers the kings of the road, they are worse than any cyclist anytime day or night.GeorgeW64

GeorgeW64 wrote:
&quot;but Ashley Miller, chairman of the Bournemouth Station Taxi Association, said some of his fellow drivers believe they are ineffective"
Absolutely typical from a dim-witted taxi driver, all hail taxi drivers the kings of the road, they are worse than any cyclist anytime day or night.

A bit harsh GeorgeW , but as I first commented why ask taxi drivers in the first place there is no relevance at all that I can see

[quote][p][bold]GeorgeW64[/bold] wrote:
"but Ashley Miller, chairman of the Bournemouth Station Taxi Association, said some of his fellow drivers believe they are ineffective"
Absolutely typical from a dim-witted taxi driver, all hail taxi drivers the kings of the road, they are worse than any cyclist anytime day or night.[/p][/quote]A bit harsh GeorgeW , but as I first commented why ask taxi drivers in the first place there is no relevance at all that I can seenosuchluck54

-there is no test for cyclists because there is no need for one. No country in the world has one, as it is a ridiculous idea, and you make yourself look stupid suggesting it.
-80% of commuting cyclists have a driving licence as well. As they have seen the roads from inside and outside of a car, they are more likely to be able to tell what is the safest way to cycle.
-it is cars killing cyclists and pedestrians that is the problem. We have had one recent serious injury to a pedestrian by a cyclist, that has been front page news for months. Injuries like that caused by a car on a pedestrian aren't even reported as it is so common.

You forgot to mention the number of animals killed by poor drivers as well.
Perhaps it would be wise for all cars to have headlights or the new driving lights on at all times - especially cars that are not white or yellow.

[quote][p][bold]FNS-man[/bold] wrote:
Addressing a few points from idiots here:
-there is no test for cyclists because there is no need for one. No country in the world has one, as it is a ridiculous idea, and you make yourself look stupid suggesting it.
-80% of commuting cyclists have a driving licence as well. As they have seen the roads from inside and outside of a car, they are more likely to be able to tell what is the safest way to cycle.
-it is cars killing cyclists and pedestrians that is the problem. We have had one recent serious injury to a pedestrian by a cyclist, that has been front page news for months. Injuries like that caused by a car on a pedestrian aren't even reported as it is so common.[/p][/quote]You forgot to mention the number of animals killed by poor drivers as well.
Perhaps it would be wise for all cars to have headlights or the new driving lights on at all times - especially cars that are not white or yellow.Jack Reegan

If it is the genuine wish of Ian Kalra head of transportation service to "create a mutual respect between different road users.” then perhaps NOT antagonising car drivers by hanging unwanted pro-cycling propaganda leaflets on their private vehicles may be a very good start - talk about driving a massive wedge into an already fragile situation!

However for anyone out there with a cause which involves the local Town Hall this provides a useful new idea for publicity. Hang your leaflets upon every parked car you can find in the Town and especially target those which might belong to Councillors and Town Hall Officers - and let's see how they like it!

If it is the genuine wish of Ian Kalra head of transportation service to "create a mutual respect between different road users.” then perhaps NOT antagonising car drivers by hanging unwanted pro-cycling propaganda leaflets on their private vehicles may be a very good start - talk about driving a massive wedge into an already fragile situation!
However for anyone out there with a cause which involves the local Town Hall this provides a useful new idea for publicity. Hang your leaflets upon every parked car you can find in the Town and especially target those which might belong to Councillors and Town Hall Officers - and let's see how they like it!muscliffman

-there is no test for cyclists because there is no need for one. No country in the world has one, as it is a ridiculous idea, and you make yourself look stupid suggesting it.
-80% of commuting cyclists have a driving licence as well. As they have seen the roads from inside and outside of a car, they are more likely to be able to tell what is the safest way to cycle.
-it is cars killing cyclists and pedestrians that is the problem. We have had one recent serious injury to a pedestrian by a cyclist, that has been front page news for months. Injuries like that caused by a car on a pedestrian aren't even reported as it is so common.

Not cars killing cyclists, it idiotic cyclists killing and injuring themselves through sheer stupidity, if some of these cyclists also have a driving licence as you suggest then their driving skills should also be called into question.

I'm not sure about the point here, if a child or an elderly person without high viz clothing walks into the road, an animal crosses a road, a horse with a rider "spooks" and deviates path does this mean that the poor driver is entitled to hit the "idiots" or maybe there is a certain level of awareness that good drivers have and they are skilled enough to avoid most circumstances becoming an "accident"?

[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]FNS-man[/bold] wrote:
Addressing a few points from idiots here:
-there is no test for cyclists because there is no need for one. No country in the world has one, as it is a ridiculous idea, and you make yourself look stupid suggesting it.
-80% of commuting cyclists have a driving licence as well. As they have seen the roads from inside and outside of a car, they are more likely to be able to tell what is the safest way to cycle.
-it is cars killing cyclists and pedestrians that is the problem. We have had one recent serious injury to a pedestrian by a cyclist, that has been front page news for months. Injuries like that caused by a car on a pedestrian aren't even reported as it is so common.[/p][/quote]Not cars killing cyclists, it idiotic cyclists killing and injuring themselves through sheer stupidity, if some of these cyclists also have a driving licence as you suggest then their driving skills should also be called into question.[/p][/quote]I'm not sure about the point here, if a child or an elderly person without high viz clothing walks into the road, an animal crosses a road, a horse with a rider "spooks" and deviates path does this mean that the poor driver is entitled to hit the "idiots" or maybe there is a certain level of awareness that good drivers have and they are skilled enough to avoid most circumstances becoming an "accident"?Jack Reegan

GeorgeW64 wrote:
&quot;but Ashley Miller, chairman of the Bournemouth Station Taxi Association, said some of his fellow drivers believe they are ineffective"
Absolutely typical from a dim-witted taxi driver, all hail taxi drivers the kings of the road, they are worse than any cyclist anytime day or night.

"A dim witted taxi driver". Perhaps you have never met me or know anything about me. For years l have written, produced and taken part in quizzes. I don't profess to be able to win Mastermind unlike London cabbie Fred Housego did in 1980 with his subject being the Tower Of London (made harder by the fact that he was born in Scotland).
So George how many different class of vehicle licenses do you hold? I have over the years held PSV, HGV, car and motorcycle.
Not bad for "A dim witted taxi driver who is king of the road". Can you put your money where your mouth is and take me on for charity in a quiz???

[quote][p][bold]GeorgeW64[/bold] wrote:
"but Ashley Miller, chairman of the Bournemouth Station Taxi Association, said some of his fellow drivers believe they are ineffective"
Absolutely typical from a dim-witted taxi driver, all hail taxi drivers the kings of the road, they are worse than any cyclist anytime day or night.[/p][/quote]"A dim witted taxi driver". Perhaps you have never met me or know anything about me. For years l have written, produced and taken part in quizzes. I don't profess to be able to win Mastermind unlike London cabbie Fred Housego did in 1980 with his subject being the Tower Of London (made harder by the fact that he was born in Scotland).
So George how many different class of vehicle licenses do you hold? I have over the years held PSV, HGV, car and motorcycle.
Not bad for "A dim witted taxi driver who is king of the road". Can you put your money where your mouth is and take me on for charity in a quiz???Ashley Miller

GeorgeW64 wrote:
&quot;but Ashley Miller, chairman of the Bournemouth Station Taxi Association, said some of his fellow drivers believe they are ineffective"
Absolutely typical from a dim-witted taxi driver, all hail taxi drivers the kings of the road, they are worse than any cyclist anytime day or night.

"A dim witted taxi driver". Perhaps you have never met me or know anything about me. For years l have written, produced and taken part in quizzes. I don't profess to be able to win Mastermind unlike London cabbie Fred Housego did in 1980 with his subject being the Tower Of London (made harder by the fact that he was born in Scotland).
So George how many different class of vehicle licenses do you hold? I have over the years held PSV, HGV, car and motorcycle.
Not bad for "A dim witted taxi driver who is king of the road". Can you put your money where your mouth is and take me on for charity in a quiz???

That's answered my previous question tx

[quote][p][bold]Ashley Miller[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]GeorgeW64[/bold] wrote:
"but Ashley Miller, chairman of the Bournemouth Station Taxi Association, said some of his fellow drivers believe they are ineffective"
Absolutely typical from a dim-witted taxi driver, all hail taxi drivers the kings of the road, they are worse than any cyclist anytime day or night.[/p][/quote]"A dim witted taxi driver". Perhaps you have never met me or know anything about me. For years l have written, produced and taken part in quizzes. I don't profess to be able to win Mastermind unlike London cabbie Fred Housego did in 1980 with his subject being the Tower Of London (made harder by the fact that he was born in Scotland).
So George how many different class of vehicle licenses do you hold? I have over the years held PSV, HGV, car and motorcycle.
Not bad for "A dim witted taxi driver who is king of the road". Can you put your money where your mouth is and take me on for charity in a quiz???[/p][/quote]That's answered my previous question txnosuchluck54

GeorgeW64 wrote:
&quot;but Ashley Miller, chairman of the Bournemouth Station Taxi Association, said some of his fellow drivers believe they are ineffective"
Absolutely typical from a dim-witted taxi driver, all hail taxi drivers the kings of the road, they are worse than any cyclist anytime day or night.

"A dim witted taxi driver". Perhaps you have never met me or know anything about me. For years l have written, produced and taken part in quizzes. I don't profess to be able to win Mastermind unlike London cabbie Fred Housego did in 1980 with his subject being the Tower Of London (made harder by the fact that he was born in Scotland).
So George how many different class of vehicle licenses do you hold? I have over the years held PSV, HGV, car and motorcycle.
Not bad for "A dim witted taxi driver who is king of the road". Can you put your money where your mouth is and take me on for charity in a quiz???

That's answered my previous question tx

Thanks nosuchluck54. Pleasure to be of service LOL

[quote][p][bold]nosuchluck54[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Ashley Miller[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]GeorgeW64[/bold] wrote:
"but Ashley Miller, chairman of the Bournemouth Station Taxi Association, said some of his fellow drivers believe they are ineffective"
Absolutely typical from a dim-witted taxi driver, all hail taxi drivers the kings of the road, they are worse than any cyclist anytime day or night.[/p][/quote]"A dim witted taxi driver". Perhaps you have never met me or know anything about me. For years l have written, produced and taken part in quizzes. I don't profess to be able to win Mastermind unlike London cabbie Fred Housego did in 1980 with his subject being the Tower Of London (made harder by the fact that he was born in Scotland).
So George how many different class of vehicle licenses do you hold? I have over the years held PSV, HGV, car and motorcycle.
Not bad for "A dim witted taxi driver who is king of the road". Can you put your money where your mouth is and take me on for charity in a quiz???[/p][/quote]That's answered my previous question tx[/p][/quote]Thanks nosuchluck54. Pleasure to be of service LOLAshley Miller

When all cyclists are taught how to ride with lights, visible clothing, head phones out of ears, not to weave in out of traffic, then more consideration maybe given to what they want. They play with danger, enforce danger, yet it is the motorists who is told to be safer. Bournemouth Council, get it in the right order please.

When all cyclists are taught how to ride with lights, visible clothing, head phones out of ears, not to weave in out of traffic, then more consideration maybe given to what they want. They play with danger, enforce danger, yet it is the motorists who is told to be safer. Bournemouth Council, get it in the right order please.TheDistrict

anigel wrote:
Would be much more effective to throw the book at every cyclist who goes round running red lights, cutting people up and no end of other antisocial and unsafe road practises. I've never once in my life hit a cyclist but had many nearly hit me and some actually succeed where they are trying to undertake cars that are indicating left etc

Couldn't, agree more. Cyclist cause most of their accidents themselves.

[quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote:
Would be much more effective to throw the book at every cyclist who goes round running red lights, cutting people up and no end of other antisocial and unsafe road practises. I've never once in my life hit a cyclist but had many nearly hit me and some actually succeed where they are trying to undertake cars that are indicating left etc[/p][/quote]Couldn't, agree more. Cyclist cause most of their accidents themselves.richardcompton3

Judging by some of my morning & afternoon journeys whether on a bike,scooter or car , some how most people have lost the ability to notice whats around them or care ,& some of the younger ones need to know ,its not a game out there you cant press return & get a new life........lately ive had several school kids just walk out forcing me to stop ,then they just stare you down & carry on ,people with that attitude are a nightmare whatever there form of getting about......the leaflets are a good idea but they will only be read & thought about by people who give a sh*t in the first place .

Judging by some of my morning & afternoon journeys whether on a bike,scooter or car , some how most people have lost the ability to notice whats around them or care ,& some of the younger ones need to know ,its not a game out there you cant press return & get a new life........lately ive had several school kids just walk out forcing me to stop ,then they just stare you down & carry on ,people with that attitude are a nightmare whatever there form of getting about......the leaflets are a good idea but they will only be read & thought about by people who give a sh*t in the first place .Lucky Rich

Nanny state, its simple, common sense - no further action required. People are being shot at , starving children and we live in a society where everything has to be spelled out as if I was 5years old at school.

Nanny state, its simple, common sense - no further action required. People are being shot at , starving children and we live in a society where everything has to be spelled out as if I was 5years old at school.drJones

anigel wrote:
Would be much more effective to throw the book at every cyclist who goes round running red lights, cutting people up and no end of other antisocial and unsafe road practises. I've never once in my life hit a cyclist but had many nearly hit me and some actually succeed where they are trying to undertake cars that are indicating left etc

Just to add to this, I am not saying that all cyclists are bad any more than I am saying all drivers are angels.

By far the biggest majority of both drivers and cyclists are safe and considerate road users. Unfortunately it is that minority of both of them that tend to either be involved in, or cause accidents.

I have said it repeatedly in the past and it bears repeating now. We need to stop sticking speed cameras everywhere. It takes a real person to see and assess if people are driving, or riding, dangerously. All speed cameras will ever do is generate revenue and provide a false sense of safety. Most really dangerous driving happens at speeds well below a cameras threshold, but as cameras have been seen as a replacement for traffic police, the real threats on our road are not being caught.

[quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote:
Would be much more effective to throw the book at every cyclist who goes round running red lights, cutting people up and no end of other antisocial and unsafe road practises. I've never once in my life hit a cyclist but had many nearly hit me and some actually succeed where they are trying to undertake cars that are indicating left etc[/p][/quote]Just to add to this, I am not saying that all cyclists are bad any more than I am saying all drivers are angels.
By far the biggest majority of both drivers and cyclists are safe and considerate road users. Unfortunately it is that minority of both of them that tend to either be involved in, or cause accidents.
I have said it repeatedly in the past and it bears repeating now. We need to stop sticking speed cameras everywhere. It takes a real person to see and assess if people are driving, or riding, dangerously. All speed cameras will ever do is generate revenue and provide a false sense of safety. Most really dangerous driving happens at speeds well below a cameras threshold, but as cameras have been seen as a replacement for traffic police, the real threats on our road are not being caught.anigel

TheDistrict wrote:
When all cyclists are taught how to ride with lights, visible clothing, head phones out of ears, not to weave in out of traffic, then more consideration maybe given to what they want. They play with danger, enforce danger, yet it is the motorists who is told to be safer. Bournemouth Council, get it in the right order please.

When all drivers are taught how to drive with lights, insurance, car radios at a decent volume, not to cut up other road users, not to drive whilst using their mobile phones, not to drink and drive, not to eat whilst driving then more consideration maybe given to what they want. They play with danger, enforce danger, yet it is the cyclists who is told to be safer. Bournemouth Council, get it in the right order please.

[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote:
When all cyclists are taught how to ride with lights, visible clothing, head phones out of ears, not to weave in out of traffic, then more consideration maybe given to what they want. They play with danger, enforce danger, yet it is the motorists who is told to be safer. Bournemouth Council, get it in the right order please.[/p][/quote]When all drivers are taught how to drive with lights, insurance, car radios at a decent volume, not to cut up other road users, not to drive whilst using their mobile phones, not to drink and drive, not to eat whilst driving then more consideration maybe given to what they want. They play with danger, enforce danger, yet it is the cyclists who is told to be safer. Bournemouth Council, get it in the right order please.ranger_bob

lit up like a Christmas tree with my lights and Hi viz on,
cycling around Bournemouth is Ace! Our town has got the happiest residents in the world, except on these comments >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

lit up like a Christmas tree with my lights and Hi viz on,
cycling around Bournemouth is Ace! Our town has got the happiest residents in the world, except on these comments >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>nodder1

Remember there plenty of irresponsible cyclists as well as motorists out there.

There are far more irresponsible cyclists on the road than other road users. If other road users behaved like many cyclists carnage would ensue.
It appears that the rules of the road do not apply to two wheeled vehicles who feel it is their right to ride on footpaths, pedestrian crossing etc.
I do however agree that we need more cycle lanes paid for partly, by a cycle road tax.

[quote][p][bold]tracy m[/bold] wrote:
Hang them on handlebars as well!
Remember there plenty of irresponsible cyclists as well as motorists out there.[/p][/quote]There are far more irresponsible cyclists on the road than other road users. If other road users behaved like many cyclists carnage would ensue.
It appears that the rules of the road do not apply to two wheeled vehicles who feel it is their right to ride on footpaths, pedestrian crossing etc.
I do however agree that we need more cycle lanes paid for partly, by a cycle road tax.ekimnoslen

Remember there plenty of irresponsible cyclists as well as motorists out there.

There are far more irresponsible cyclists on the road than other road users. If other road users behaved like many cyclists carnage would ensue.
It appears that the rules of the road do not apply to two wheeled vehicles who feel it is their right to ride on footpaths, pedestrian crossing etc.
I do however agree that we need more cycle lanes paid for partly, by a cycle road tax.

ekimnoslen or mike nelson or whoever you are, I dont ride on the pavement but theres only 2 other cyclists apart from me on the road anyway so how can there be more irresponsible cyclists than other road users? all the other road users seem to be enjoying the queues they get in every day, i suppose queuing for half an hour to get 5 kilometres is better than causing carnage like the cover pictures of crashes every day on the echo?

[quote][p][bold]ekimnoslen[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]tracy m[/bold] wrote:
Hang them on handlebars as well!
Remember there plenty of irresponsible cyclists as well as motorists out there.[/p][/quote]There are far more irresponsible cyclists on the road than other road users. If other road users behaved like many cyclists carnage would ensue.
It appears that the rules of the road do not apply to two wheeled vehicles who feel it is their right to ride on footpaths, pedestrian crossing etc.
I do however agree that we need more cycle lanes paid for partly, by a cycle road tax.[/p][/quote]ekimnoslen or mike nelson or whoever you are, I dont ride on the pavement but theres only 2 other cyclists apart from me on the road anyway so how can there be more irresponsible cyclists than other road users? all the other road users seem to be enjoying the queues they get in every day, i suppose queuing for half an hour to get 5 kilometres is better than causing carnage like the cover pictures of crashes every day on the echo?nodder1

Hanging them around the necks of cyclists who seem to think it's quite ok to ride around after dark with no lights, and dark clothing would be a good idea. I almost knocked someone off their bike recently who suddenly appeared in front of me and was barely visible.

Hanging them around the necks of cyclists who seem to think it's quite ok to ride around after dark with no lights, and dark clothing would be a good idea. I almost knocked someone off their bike recently who suddenly appeared in front of me and was barely visible.ohnonothimagen

GeorgeW64 wrote:
&quot;but Ashley Miller, chairman of the Bournemouth Station Taxi Association, said some of his fellow drivers believe they are ineffective"
Absolutely typical from a dim-witted taxi driver, all hail taxi drivers the kings of the road, they are worse than any cyclist anytime day or night.

"A dim witted taxi driver". Perhaps you have never met me or know anything about me. For years l have written, produced and taken part in quizzes. I don't profess to be able to win Mastermind unlike London cabbie Fred Housego did in 1980 with his subject being the Tower Of London (made harder by the fact that he was born in Scotland).
So George how many different class of vehicle licenses do you hold? I have over the years held PSV, HGV, car and motorcycle.
Not bad for "A dim witted taxi driver who is king of the road". Can you put your money where your mouth is and take me on for charity in a quiz???

Oh goodness me, so impressive. you've written and taken part in some quizzes! Knowledge of the kind of facts needed to do quizzes is NO reflection of intelligence.

[quote][p][bold]Ashley Miller[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]GeorgeW64[/bold] wrote:
"but Ashley Miller, chairman of the Bournemouth Station Taxi Association, said some of his fellow drivers believe they are ineffective"
Absolutely typical from a dim-witted taxi driver, all hail taxi drivers the kings of the road, they are worse than any cyclist anytime day or night.[/p][/quote]"A dim witted taxi driver". Perhaps you have never met me or know anything about me. For years l have written, produced and taken part in quizzes. I don't profess to be able to win Mastermind unlike London cabbie Fred Housego did in 1980 with his subject being the Tower Of London (made harder by the fact that he was born in Scotland).
So George how many different class of vehicle licenses do you hold? I have over the years held PSV, HGV, car and motorcycle.
Not bad for "A dim witted taxi driver who is king of the road". Can you put your money where your mouth is and take me on for charity in a quiz???[/p][/quote]Oh goodness me, so impressive. you've written and taken part in some quizzes! Knowledge of the kind of facts needed to do quizzes is NO reflection of intelligence.agp1337

Remember there plenty of irresponsible cyclists as well as motorists out there.

There are far more irresponsible cyclists on the road than other road users. If other road users behaved like many cyclists carnage would ensue.
It appears that the rules of the road do not apply to two wheeled vehicles who feel it is their right to ride on footpaths, pedestrian crossing etc.
I do however agree that we need more cycle lanes paid for partly, by a cycle road tax.

Carnage you say? Some figures for you. For 2012- 195,723 casualties in road accidents reported to the Police, 1754 killed , 23039 seriously injured. I would hate to see what the carnage you speak of would be like.

[quote][p][bold]ekimnoslen[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]tracy m[/bold] wrote:
Hang them on handlebars as well!
Remember there plenty of irresponsible cyclists as well as motorists out there.[/p][/quote]There are far more irresponsible cyclists on the road than other road users. If other road users behaved like many cyclists carnage would ensue.
It appears that the rules of the road do not apply to two wheeled vehicles who feel it is their right to ride on footpaths, pedestrian crossing etc.
I do however agree that we need more cycle lanes paid for partly, by a cycle road tax.[/p][/quote]Carnage you say? Some figures for you. For 2012- 195,723 casualties in road accidents reported to the Police, 1754 killed , 23039 seriously injured. I would hate to see what the carnage you speak of would be like.Eagleoftoledo

Remember there plenty of irresponsible cyclists as well as motorists out there.

There are far more irresponsible cyclists on the road than other road users. If other road users behaved like many cyclists carnage would ensue.
It appears that the rules of the road do not apply to two wheeled vehicles who feel it is their right to ride on footpaths, pedestrian crossing etc.
I do however agree that we need more cycle lanes paid for partly, by a cycle road tax.

Carnage you say? He's some figures of the present non carnage happening. 195,723 casualties in all road accidents (that are reported to the Police), 1754 killed and 23,039 seriously injured. Oh and Cycle Road tax to pay for cycle paths you say? Unlike motorists who don't pay a "road" tax ( abolished by Winston Churchill in 1937) So cyclist should pay a direct tax to pay for there facilities but car drivers no?

[quote][p][bold]ekimnoslen[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]tracy m[/bold] wrote:
Hang them on handlebars as well!
Remember there plenty of irresponsible cyclists as well as motorists out there.[/p][/quote]There are far more irresponsible cyclists on the road than other road users. If other road users behaved like many cyclists carnage would ensue.
It appears that the rules of the road do not apply to two wheeled vehicles who feel it is their right to ride on footpaths, pedestrian crossing etc.
I do however agree that we need more cycle lanes paid for partly, by a cycle road tax.[/p][/quote]Carnage you say? He's some figures of the present non carnage happening. 195,723 casualties in all road accidents (that are reported to the Police), 1754 killed and 23,039 seriously injured. Oh and Cycle Road tax to pay for cycle paths you say? Unlike motorists who don't pay a "road" tax ( abolished by Winston Churchill in 1937) So cyclist should pay a direct tax to pay for there facilities but car drivers no?Eagleoftoledo

GeorgeW64 wrote:
&quot;but Ashley Miller, chairman of the Bournemouth Station Taxi Association, said some of his fellow drivers believe they are ineffective"
Absolutely typical from a dim-witted taxi driver, all hail taxi drivers the kings of the road, they are worse than any cyclist anytime day or night.

"A dim witted taxi driver". Perhaps you have never met me or know anything about me. For years l have written, produced and taken part in quizzes. I don't profess to be able to win Mastermind unlike London cabbie Fred Housego did in 1980 with his subject being the Tower Of London (made harder by the fact that he was born in Scotland).
So George how many different class of vehicle licenses do you hold? I have over the years held PSV, HGV, car and motorcycle.
Not bad for "A dim witted taxi driver who is king of the road". Can you put your money where your mouth is and take me on for charity in a quiz???

Oh goodness me, so impressive. you've written and taken part in some quizzes! Knowledge of the kind of facts needed to do quizzes is NO reflection of intelligence.

It's nice to know agp1337 that l have more intelligence in my little toe than you have just proved to everyone online that you have in the whole of your body!

[quote][p][bold]agp1337[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Ashley Miller[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]GeorgeW64[/bold] wrote:
"but Ashley Miller, chairman of the Bournemouth Station Taxi Association, said some of his fellow drivers believe they are ineffective"
Absolutely typical from a dim-witted taxi driver, all hail taxi drivers the kings of the road, they are worse than any cyclist anytime day or night.[/p][/quote]"A dim witted taxi driver". Perhaps you have never met me or know anything about me. For years l have written, produced and taken part in quizzes. I don't profess to be able to win Mastermind unlike London cabbie Fred Housego did in 1980 with his subject being the Tower Of London (made harder by the fact that he was born in Scotland).
So George how many different class of vehicle licenses do you hold? I have over the years held PSV, HGV, car and motorcycle.
Not bad for "A dim witted taxi driver who is king of the road". Can you put your money where your mouth is and take me on for charity in a quiz???[/p][/quote]Oh goodness me, so impressive. you've written and taken part in some quizzes! Knowledge of the kind of facts needed to do quizzes is NO reflection of intelligence.[/p][/quote]It's nice to know agp1337 that l have more intelligence in my little toe than you have just proved to everyone online that you have in the whole of your body!Ashley Miller

I must admit cyclists and pedestrians who do not use lights and/or wear dark clothing are risking their health and life whilst using/crossing the roads. BUT. Saying that as a driver of cycles, cars, lorries and vans on a daily basis, I make it my responsibility to take care of all users of the road, no matter how difficult it is to see someone....My vehicle can kill someone and I should drive expecting the unexpected. Please cyclists light up to help responsible motorists see you in good time...there are a lot of drivers out there who believe they own the road and are very possessive of the space their metal occupies, whether you are in the way of it or not!!!

I must admit cyclists and pedestrians who do not use lights and/or wear dark clothing are risking their health and life whilst using/crossing the roads. BUT. Saying that as a driver of cycles, cars, lorries and vans on a daily basis, I make it my responsibility to take care of all users of the road, no matter how difficult it is to see someone....My vehicle can kill someone and I should drive expecting the unexpected. Please cyclists light up to help responsible motorists see you in good time...there are a lot of drivers out there who believe they own the road and are very possessive of the space their metal occupies, whether you are in the way of it or not!!!themummy

drivers spend 18 per cent of their time behind the wheel not watching the road at all.
I expect that us why cyclist get hit in the day, and when lit up.
http://www.telegraph
.co.uk/motoring/road
-safety/9755478/Driv
ers-not-looking-at-t
he-road-18-per-cent-
of-the-time.htmlMoro99

While driving in this morning I saw a cyclist with only one hand on their handle bar and the other sticking out if they were signalling. I was so appalled by the lack of safety awareness by the cyclist that I dropped my cigarette ash in my coffee, which then caused me to spill my coffee over my knees which I was using to steering my car with. Don't these cyclists know how dangerous they are on the road!!

While driving in this morning I saw a cyclist with only one hand on their handle bar and the other sticking out if they were signalling. I was so appalled by the lack of safety awareness by the cyclist that I dropped my cigarette ash in my coffee, which then caused me to spill my coffee over my knees which I was using to steering my car with. Don't these cyclists know how dangerous they are on the road!!Richard of Wantage

anigel wrote:
Would be much more effective to throw the book at every cyclist who goes round running red lights, cutting people up and no end of other antisocial and unsafe road practises. I've never once in my life hit a cyclist but had many nearly hit me and some actually succeed where they are trying to undertake cars that are indicating left etc

Couldn't, agree more. Cyclist cause most of their accidents themselves.

"Indicating?" That's a rarity!

[quote][p][bold]richardcompton3[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]anigel[/bold] wrote:
Would be much more effective to throw the book at every cyclist who goes round running red lights, cutting people up and no end of other antisocial and unsafe road practises. I've never once in my life hit a cyclist but had many nearly hit me and some actually succeed where they are trying to undertake cars that are indicating left etc[/p][/quote]Couldn't, agree more. Cyclist cause most of their accidents themselves.[/p][/quote]"Indicating?" That's a rarity!Repo

justme20092009 wrote:
ive had 3 so far they make great toilet roll,,hate cyclists they should have to pay tax and have insurance,,,most think they own the road

Hate car drivers ,,,despite not paying road tax most think they own the road.

[quote][p][bold]justme20092009[/bold] wrote:
ive had 3 so far they make great toilet roll,,hate cyclists they should have to pay tax and have insurance,,,most think they own the road[/p][/quote]Hate car drivers ,,,despite not paying road tax most think they own the road.Eagleoftoledo

GeorgeW64 wrote:
&quot;but Ashley Miller, chairman of the Bournemouth Station Taxi Association, said some of his fellow drivers believe they are ineffective"
Absolutely typical from a dim-witted taxi driver, all hail taxi drivers the kings of the road, they are worse than any cyclist anytime day or night.

"A dim witted taxi driver". Perhaps you have never met me or know anything about me. For years l have written, produced and taken part in quizzes. I don't profess to be able to win Mastermind unlike London cabbie Fred Housego did in 1980 with his subject being the Tower Of London (made harder by the fact that he was born in Scotland).
So George how many different class of vehicle licenses do you hold? I have over the years held PSV, HGV, car and motorcycle.
Not bad for "A dim witted taxi driver who is king of the road". Can you put your money where your mouth is and take me on for charity in a quiz???

Oh goodness me, so impressive. you've written and taken part in some quizzes! Knowledge of the kind of facts needed to do quizzes is NO reflection of intelligence.

It's nice to know agp1337 that l have more intelligence in my little toe than you have just proved to everyone online that you have in the whole of your body!

You seem to think an inordinate amount of yourself! Funny you're being down-arrowed. Incidentally, you'd easily beat me in a pub quiz and I have no problem with that; so what? Memory of facts is no indicator of intelligence, and your statement that Housego came from Scotland does not increase the value of his knowledge about the Tower of London. Perhaps you think that those who live near, say, the Tate Modern must automatically have expert knowledge about that gallery. Unless, of course, everyone who lives near to an historical site must have great knowledge of it. Further, your reply to my comment also indicates some problem with intelligence! There are no brains in a toe, unless the comment was meant as a 'humorous'??? quip!

[quote][p][bold]Ashley Miller[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]agp1337[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Ashley Miller[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]GeorgeW64[/bold] wrote:
"but Ashley Miller, chairman of the Bournemouth Station Taxi Association, said some of his fellow drivers believe they are ineffective"
Absolutely typical from a dim-witted taxi driver, all hail taxi drivers the kings of the road, they are worse than any cyclist anytime day or night.[/p][/quote]"A dim witted taxi driver". Perhaps you have never met me or know anything about me. For years l have written, produced and taken part in quizzes. I don't profess to be able to win Mastermind unlike London cabbie Fred Housego did in 1980 with his subject being the Tower Of London (made harder by the fact that he was born in Scotland).
So George how many different class of vehicle licenses do you hold? I have over the years held PSV, HGV, car and motorcycle.
Not bad for "A dim witted taxi driver who is king of the road". Can you put your money where your mouth is and take me on for charity in a quiz???[/p][/quote]Oh goodness me, so impressive. you've written and taken part in some quizzes! Knowledge of the kind of facts needed to do quizzes is NO reflection of intelligence.[/p][/quote]It's nice to know agp1337 that l have more intelligence in my little toe than you have just proved to everyone online that you have in the whole of your body![/p][/quote]You seem to think an inordinate amount of yourself! Funny you're being down-arrowed. Incidentally, you'd easily beat me in a pub quiz and I have no problem with that; so what? Memory of facts is no indicator of intelligence, and your statement that Housego came from Scotland does not increase the value of his knowledge about the Tower of London. Perhaps you think that those who live near, say, the Tate Modern must automatically have expert knowledge about that gallery. Unless, of course, everyone who lives near to an historical site must have great knowledge of it. Further, your reply to my comment also indicates some problem with intelligence! There are no brains in a toe, unless the comment was meant as a 'humorous'??? quip!agp1337

Bournemouth Police and Bournemouth Council would do far better to start prosecuting all those cyclists who are STILL riding around in the dark with no lights on.

I see one about every other day at the moment so catching a few would not be that hard. Confiscate the bikes until lights are evidenced.

Bournemouth Police and Bournemouth Council would do far better to start prosecuting all those cyclists who are STILL riding around in the dark with no lights on.
I see one about every other day at the moment so catching a few would not be that hard. Confiscate the bikes until lights are evidenced.corozin

So if one of these blow off a car, will the Council fine the car owner for littering?

My car is my private property; no one (except those issuing legal notice such as a parking violation) have any right affixing anything to it.

Nanny state-ism gone wild.

So if one of these blow off a car, will the Council fine the car owner for littering?
My car is my private property; no one (except those issuing legal notice such as a parking violation) have any right affixing anything to it.
Nanny state-ism gone wild.Yankee1

GeorgeW64 wrote:
&quot;but Ashley Miller, chairman of the Bournemouth Station Taxi Association, said some of his fellow drivers believe they are ineffective"
Absolutely typical from a dim-witted taxi driver, all hail taxi drivers the kings of the road, they are worse than any cyclist anytime day or night.

"A dim witted taxi driver". Perhaps you have never met me or know anything about me. For years l have written, produced and taken part in quizzes. I don't profess to be able to win Mastermind unlike London cabbie Fred Housego did in 1980 with his subject being the Tower Of London (made harder by the fact that he was born in Scotland).
So George how many different class of vehicle licenses do you hold? I have over the years held PSV, HGV, car and motorcycle.
Not bad for "A dim witted taxi driver who is king of the road". Can you put your money where your mouth is and take me on for charity in a quiz???

The thickest people I know drive for a living because they cant do anything else. Brilliant pay isn't it.

[quote][p][bold]Ashley Miller[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]GeorgeW64[/bold] wrote:
"but Ashley Miller, chairman of the Bournemouth Station Taxi Association, said some of his fellow drivers believe they are ineffective"
Absolutely typical from a dim-witted taxi driver, all hail taxi drivers the kings of the road, they are worse than any cyclist anytime day or night.[/p][/quote]"A dim witted taxi driver". Perhaps you have never met me or know anything about me. For years l have written, produced and taken part in quizzes. I don't profess to be able to win Mastermind unlike London cabbie Fred Housego did in 1980 with his subject being the Tower Of London (made harder by the fact that he was born in Scotland).
So George how many different class of vehicle licenses do you hold? I have over the years held PSV, HGV, car and motorcycle.
Not bad for "A dim witted taxi driver who is king of the road". Can you put your money where your mouth is and take me on for charity in a quiz???[/p][/quote]The thickest people I know drive for a living because they cant do anything else. Brilliant pay isn't it.GeorgeW64

My old headmaster, Peter Day, used to ride a bike from Christchurch to Winton Boys School in Moordown every day back in the seventies. No Hi-viz, no helmets, just common sense and a knowledge and respect for the highway code. You can't tell me that we didn't have our fair share of idiots driving cars back then.

My old headmaster, Peter Day, used to ride a bike from Christchurch to Winton Boys School in Moordown every day back in the seventies. No Hi-viz, no helmets, just common sense and a knowledge and respect for the highway code. You can't tell me that we didn't have our fair share of idiots driving cars back then.steve.in.sydney

GeorgeW64 wrote:
&quot;but Ashley Miller, chairman of the Bournemouth Station Taxi Association, said some of his fellow drivers believe they are ineffective"
Absolutely typical from a dim-witted taxi driver, all hail taxi drivers the kings of the road, they are worse than any cyclist anytime day or night.

"A dim witted taxi driver". Perhaps you have never met me or know anything about me. For years l have written, produced and taken part in quizzes. I don't profess to be able to win Mastermind unlike London cabbie Fred Housego did in 1980 with his subject being the Tower Of London (made harder by the fact that he was born in Scotland).
So George how many different class of vehicle licenses do you hold? I have over the years held PSV, HGV, car and motorcycle.
Not bad for "A dim witted taxi driver who is king of the road". Can you put your money where your mouth is and take me on for charity in a quiz???

And appeared with Bruce on the Generation Game

[quote][p][bold]Ashley Miller[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]GeorgeW64[/bold] wrote:
"but Ashley Miller, chairman of the Bournemouth Station Taxi Association, said some of his fellow drivers believe they are ineffective"
Absolutely typical from a dim-witted taxi driver, all hail taxi drivers the kings of the road, they are worse than any cyclist anytime day or night.[/p][/quote]"A dim witted taxi driver". Perhaps you have never met me or know anything about me. For years l have written, produced and taken part in quizzes. I don't profess to be able to win Mastermind unlike London cabbie Fred Housego did in 1980 with his subject being the Tower Of London (made harder by the fact that he was born in Scotland).
So George how many different class of vehicle licenses do you hold? I have over the years held PSV, HGV, car and motorcycle.
Not bad for "A dim witted taxi driver who is king of the road". Can you put your money where your mouth is and take me on for charity in a quiz???[/p][/quote]And appeared with Bruce on the Generation GameLord Spring

All these people complaining about things being left on, or people touching their private property (i.e car) - For example:

"My car is my private property; no one (except those issuing legal notice such as a parking violation) have any right affixing anything to it. "

There's a simple answer. Don't leave or store private property in a public place or someone elses land.

All these people complaining about things being left on, or people touching their private property (i.e car) - For example:
"My car is my private property; no one (except those issuing legal notice such as a parking violation) have any right affixing anything to it. "
There's a simple answer. Don't leave or store private property in a public place or someone elses land.gazza_d

steve.in.sydney wrote:
My old headmaster, Peter Day, used to ride a bike from Christchurch to Winton Boys School in Moordown every day back in the seventies. No Hi-viz, no helmets, just common sense and a knowledge and respect for the highway code. You can't tell me that we didn't have our fair share of idiots driving cars back then.

That generation of idiots have breed since then hence multiplying,

Pete Day was riding his bike to Boscombe Sec School in the 50s when a teacher there.

[quote][p][bold]steve.in.sydney[/bold] wrote:
My old headmaster, Peter Day, used to ride a bike from Christchurch to Winton Boys School in Moordown every day back in the seventies. No Hi-viz, no helmets, just common sense and a knowledge and respect for the highway code. You can't tell me that we didn't have our fair share of idiots driving cars back then.[/p][/quote]That generation of idiots have breed since then hence multiplying,
Pete Day was riding his bike to Boscombe Sec School in the 50s when a teacher there.Lord Spring

I think everyone is missing the point the council are just trying to bring to everyones attention the dangers involved to cyclists on the road.In my experiences it's always motorists that are usually at fault not looking or giving cyclists enough room when passing.If these leaflets just save one life then they are worth it.

I think everyone is missing the point the council are just trying to bring to everyones attention the dangers involved to cyclists on the road.In my experiences it's always motorists that are usually at fault not looking or giving cyclists enough room when passing.If these leaflets just save one life then they are worth it.MAR100

steve.in.sydney wrote:
My old headmaster, Peter Day, used to ride a bike from Christchurch to Winton Boys School in Moordown every day back in the seventies. No Hi-viz, no helmets, just common sense and a knowledge and respect for the highway code. You can't tell me that we didn't have our fair share of idiots driving cars back then.

I too was at Winton Boys & remember Peter Day even after he retired riding his bike

[quote][p][bold]steve.in.sydney[/bold] wrote:
My old headmaster, Peter Day, used to ride a bike from Christchurch to Winton Boys School in Moordown every day back in the seventies. No Hi-viz, no helmets, just common sense and a knowledge and respect for the highway code. You can't tell me that we didn't have our fair share of idiots driving cars back then.[/p][/quote]I too was at Winton Boys & remember Peter Day even after he retired riding his bikeAshley Miller

1) Idiot hit and run cyclist injures child. Comments open - cretin-trolls and hypersensitive paranoid cyclists bash at each other for a few days (lycra louts/metal boxes/riding on pavements/lefthand turns blah blah blah) air clears and subject goes away.

2) Nimby New Foresters argue for pointless code of conduct. Comments open - Stuffy Burley curtain twitchers and hypersensitive paranoid cyclists bash at each other for a few days (lycra louts/NATIONAL Park/crapping on the village green/out of towners blah blah blah) air clears and subject goes away.

3) Waste of money mirror hangers distributed full of stuff most people do anyway hung on cars. Comments open - cretin-trolls and hypersensitive paranoid cyclists bash at each other for a few days (lycra louts/metal boxes/riding on pavements/lefthand turns blah blah blah) air clears and subject goes away.

Can't the Echo shoot its fish in another barrel? All it's doing here is stirring up the lowest element in all parties. You want flattened cyclists and keyed cars, keep these pointless articles coming.

Let's see:
1) Idiot hit and run cyclist injures child. Comments open - cretin-trolls and hypersensitive paranoid cyclists bash at each other for a few days (lycra louts/metal boxes/riding on pavements/lefthand turns blah blah blah) air clears and subject goes away.
2) Nimby New Foresters argue for pointless code of conduct. Comments open - Stuffy Burley curtain twitchers and hypersensitive paranoid cyclists bash at each other for a few days (lycra louts/NATIONAL Park/crapping on the village green/out of towners blah blah blah) air clears and subject goes away.
3) Waste of money mirror hangers distributed full of stuff most people do anyway hung on cars. Comments open - cretin-trolls and hypersensitive paranoid cyclists bash at each other for a few days (lycra louts/metal boxes/riding on pavements/lefthand turns blah blah blah) air clears and subject goes away.
Can't the Echo shoot its fish in another barrel? All it's doing here is stirring up the lowest element in all parties. You want flattened cyclists and keyed cars, keep these pointless articles coming.tim m

If you're going to drive like a complete moron, hanging a little yellow sign off your wing mirror isn't going to stop it!
Personally, I try to drive well, I pay VED, Insurance and make sure my car is roadworthy. That's more than some do. But if some fool hangs something off my very precious, hard earned vehicle I would be very cross! How dare they assume I need to be more aware than I already am?
Ok if it turns out that a little yellow triangle changes someone's way of driving carefully, then fine but I don't see it happening.
Are they also hanging the things off of bicycles? Or just cars?

If you're going to drive like a complete moron, hanging a little yellow sign off your wing mirror isn't going to stop it!
Personally, I try to drive well, I pay VED, Insurance and make sure my car is roadworthy. That's more than some do. But if some fool hangs something off my very precious, hard earned vehicle I would be very cross! How dare they assume I need to be more aware than I already am?
Ok if it turns out that a little yellow triangle changes someone's way of driving carefully, then fine but I don't see it happening.
Are they also hanging the things off of bicycles? Or just cars?spooki

steve.in.sydney wrote:
My old headmaster, Peter Day, used to ride a bike from Christchurch to Winton Boys School in Moordown every day back in the seventies. No Hi-viz, no helmets, just common sense and a knowledge and respect for the highway code. You can't tell me that we didn't have our fair share of idiots driving cars back then.

Indeed he did and if you recall the teachers would routinely check the bikes for lights in the winter and you would have your Winton Boys cycling/school grounds parking 'permit' withdrawn if you failed the inspection - today the Police reward kids without lights on their bikes by handing out free ones! At least common sense used to prevail!

[quote][p][bold]steve.in.sydney[/bold] wrote:
My old headmaster, Peter Day, used to ride a bike from Christchurch to Winton Boys School in Moordown every day back in the seventies. No Hi-viz, no helmets, just common sense and a knowledge and respect for the highway code. You can't tell me that we didn't have our fair share of idiots driving cars back then.[/p][/quote]Indeed he did and if you recall the teachers would routinely check the bikes for lights in the winter and you would have your Winton Boys cycling/school grounds parking 'permit' withdrawn if you failed the inspection - today the Police reward kids without lights on their bikes by handing out free ones! At least common sense used to prevail!muscliffman

TheDistrict wrote:
When all cyclists are taught how to ride with lights, visible clothing, head phones out of ears, not to weave in out of traffic, then more consideration maybe given to what they want. They play with danger, enforce danger, yet it is the motorists who is told to be safer. Bournemouth Council, get it in the right order please.

When all drivers are taught how to drive with lights, insurance, car radios at a decent volume, not to cut up other road users, not to drive whilst using their mobile phones, not to drink and drive, not to eat whilst driving then more consideration maybe given to what they want. They play with danger, enforce danger, yet it is the cyclists who is told to be safer. Bournemouth Council, get it in the right order please.

A typical response from an obvious cyclist. My opinion was given as a motorist and a cyclist who in either mode abides by the Highway Code and the general rule of the road. From both views I see many cyclists throughout the day not respecting road users of all travel modes, because they feel they have the right to flaunt the rules. Personally, all road users should be made to use the roads correctly and without endangering themselves or others.

[quote][p][bold]ranger_bob[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote:
When all cyclists are taught how to ride with lights, visible clothing, head phones out of ears, not to weave in out of traffic, then more consideration maybe given to what they want. They play with danger, enforce danger, yet it is the motorists who is told to be safer. Bournemouth Council, get it in the right order please.[/p][/quote]When all drivers are taught how to drive with lights, insurance, car radios at a decent volume, not to cut up other road users, not to drive whilst using their mobile phones, not to drink and drive, not to eat whilst driving then more consideration maybe given to what they want. They play with danger, enforce danger, yet it is the cyclists who is told to be safer. Bournemouth Council, get it in the right order please.[/p][/quote]A typical response from an obvious cyclist. My opinion was given as a motorist and a cyclist who in either mode abides by the Highway Code and the general rule of the road. From both views I see many cyclists throughout the day not respecting road users of all travel modes, because they feel they have the right to flaunt the rules. Personally, all road users should be made to use the roads correctly and without endangering themselves or others.TheDistrict

TheDistrict wrote:
When all cyclists are taught how to ride with lights, visible clothing, head phones out of ears, not to weave in out of traffic, then more consideration maybe given to what they want. They play with danger, enforce danger, yet it is the motorists who is told to be safer. Bournemouth Council, get it in the right order please.

When all drivers are taught how to drive with lights, insurance, car radios at a decent volume, not to cut up other road users, not to drive whilst using their mobile phones, not to drink and drive, not to eat whilst driving then more consideration maybe given to what they want. They play with danger, enforce danger, yet it is the cyclists who is told to be safer. Bournemouth Council, get it in the right order please.

A typical response from an obvious cyclist. My opinion was given as a motorist and a cyclist who in either mode abides by the Highway Code and the general rule of the road. From both views I see many cyclists throughout the day not respecting road users of all travel modes, because they feel they have the right to flaunt the rules. Personally, all road users should be made to use the roads correctly and without endangering themselves or others.

I ride and drive as well and respect the rules of the rode. when on my bike I wear a hi viz jacket and helmet. At night and in adverse weather I have lights which I use.

My parody of your post was to highlight the faults on both sides of the transport divide. So please get down off of your high horse and think about the ridiculousness of such a post. Neither side has a perfect argument.

[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]ranger_bob[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote:
When all cyclists are taught how to ride with lights, visible clothing, head phones out of ears, not to weave in out of traffic, then more consideration maybe given to what they want. They play with danger, enforce danger, yet it is the motorists who is told to be safer. Bournemouth Council, get it in the right order please.[/p][/quote]When all drivers are taught how to drive with lights, insurance, car radios at a decent volume, not to cut up other road users, not to drive whilst using their mobile phones, not to drink and drive, not to eat whilst driving then more consideration maybe given to what they want. They play with danger, enforce danger, yet it is the cyclists who is told to be safer. Bournemouth Council, get it in the right order please.[/p][/quote]A typical response from an obvious cyclist. My opinion was given as a motorist and a cyclist who in either mode abides by the Highway Code and the general rule of the road. From both views I see many cyclists throughout the day not respecting road users of all travel modes, because they feel they have the right to flaunt the rules. Personally, all road users should be made to use the roads correctly and without endangering themselves or others.[/p][/quote]I ride and drive as well and respect the rules of the rode. when on my bike I wear a hi viz jacket and helmet. At night and in adverse weather I have lights which I use.
My parody of your post was to highlight the faults on both sides of the transport divide. So please get down off of your high horse and think about the ridiculousness of such a post. Neither side has a perfect argument.ranger_bob

Call my cynical if you like but I reckon anyone who bothers to read this will already be responsible enough, and the people to whom this should really be targeted probably won't read it or take the blindest bit of notice

(I am a car driver, and hopefully fall into the first category - be safe, everyone)

Call my cynical if you like but I reckon anyone who bothers to read this will already be responsible enough, and the people to whom this should really be targeted probably won't read it or take the blindest bit of notice
(I am a car driver, and hopefully fall into the first category - be safe, everyone)madras

"Ian Kalra, head of transportation services, said the leaflets are part of the Getting About project aimed at encouraging more people to cycle."

This project has got a budget with the money supplied by Government. It has got to be spent and Transportation Services have to be seen to be doing something for the money. This is part if it. Whether the leaflets actually encourage more people to cycle is perhaps an unknown.

"Ian Kalra, head of transportation services, said the leaflets are part of the Getting About project aimed at encouraging more people to cycle."
This project has got a budget with the money supplied by Government. It has got to be spent and Transportation Services have to be seen to be doing something for the money. This is part if it. Whether the leaflets actually encourage more people to cycle is perhaps an unknown.rayc

Meanwhile, cuts are being made to adult social care and chldrens social care when the numbers of people who need help from these services are increasing at a rapid rate.

Its obvious that the Highways Department dont know how to use their budgets properly or effectively with this exercise as a perfect example, therefore some should be moved into departments where the money is desperately needed.

Meanwhile, cuts are being made to adult social care and chldrens social care when the numbers of people who need help from these services are increasing at a rapid rate.
Its obvious that the Highways Department dont know how to use their budgets properly or effectively with this exercise as a perfect example, therefore some should be moved into departments where the money is desperately needed.s-pb2

I drive and I ride. I caught up a cyclist one day who jumped a red light and called him an f****** moron. I then cycled on. He caught me up at the traffic lights and said 'what did you call me?'. I said 'didn't you hear me the first time, I called you an f***** moron, it's people like you who give the rest of us cyclists a bad name. And get some lights you tool'.

For those drivers who evidently hate cyclists, I also hate ones that don't obey the rules of the road. Please don't tarnish us all with the same brush. I wear hi viz (pink these days as I find those drivers who do hate cyclists seem to gives us ladies more room) and please give us all room. I know we are slower and may hold you up for a bit, but it won't take long to get past.

I was overtaken on a blind bend before Christmas, then a car came in the other direction, so they pulled in and took me out and didn't even stop. The skin has only just grown back on my knee.

If the flyers stop that happening to one kid, then job done

And to cyclists, wear a helmet, wear hi viz, put more than one light on your bike, don't sneak up the left at traffic lights, don't cut in front of cars without indicating and don't jump red lights, they are red for a reason. Idiots.

I drive and I ride. I caught up a cyclist one day who jumped a red light and called him an f****** moron. I then cycled on. He caught me up at the traffic lights and said 'what did you call me?'. I said 'didn't you hear me the first time, I called you an f***** moron, it's people like you who give the rest of us cyclists a bad name. And get some lights you tool'.
For those drivers who evidently hate cyclists, I also hate ones that don't obey the rules of the road. Please don't tarnish us all with the same brush. I wear hi viz (pink these days as I find those drivers who do hate cyclists seem to gives us ladies more room) and please give us all room. I know we are slower and may hold you up for a bit, but it won't take long to get past.
I was overtaken on a blind bend before Christmas, then a car came in the other direction, so they pulled in and took me out and didn't even stop. The skin has only just grown back on my knee.
If the flyers stop that happening to one kid, then job done
And to cyclists, wear a helmet, wear hi viz, put more than one light on your bike, don't sneak up the left at traffic lights, don't cut in front of cars without indicating and don't jump red lights, they are red for a reason. Idiots.Pyrotechnic

Pyrotechnic wrote:
I drive and I ride. I caught up a cyclist one day who jumped a red light and called him an f****** moron. I then cycled on. He caught me up at the traffic lights and said 'what did you call me?'. I said 'didn't you hear me the first time, I called you an f***** moron, it's people like you who give the rest of us cyclists a bad name. And get some lights you tool'.

For those drivers who evidently hate cyclists, I also hate ones that don't obey the rules of the road. Please don't tarnish us all with the same brush. I wear hi viz (pink these days as I find those drivers who do hate cyclists seem to gives us ladies more room) and please give us all room. I know we are slower and may hold you up for a bit, but it won't take long to get past.

I was overtaken on a blind bend before Christmas, then a car came in the other direction, so they pulled in and took me out and didn't even stop. The skin has only just grown back on my knee.

If the flyers stop that happening to one kid, then job done

And to cyclists, wear a helmet, wear hi viz, put more than one light on your bike, don't sneak up the left at traffic lights, don't cut in front of cars without indicating and don't jump red lights, they are red for a reason. Idiots.

WOW firework you need to chill ,get a hobby that does not involve firearms .Pink nice gesture xx

[quote][p][bold]Pyrotechnic[/bold] wrote:
I drive and I ride. I caught up a cyclist one day who jumped a red light and called him an f****** moron. I then cycled on. He caught me up at the traffic lights and said 'what did you call me?'. I said 'didn't you hear me the first time, I called you an f***** moron, it's people like you who give the rest of us cyclists a bad name. And get some lights you tool'.
For those drivers who evidently hate cyclists, I also hate ones that don't obey the rules of the road. Please don't tarnish us all with the same brush. I wear hi viz (pink these days as I find those drivers who do hate cyclists seem to gives us ladies more room) and please give us all room. I know we are slower and may hold you up for a bit, but it won't take long to get past.
I was overtaken on a blind bend before Christmas, then a car came in the other direction, so they pulled in and took me out and didn't even stop. The skin has only just grown back on my knee.
If the flyers stop that happening to one kid, then job done
And to cyclists, wear a helmet, wear hi viz, put more than one light on your bike, don't sneak up the left at traffic lights, don't cut in front of cars without indicating and don't jump red lights, they are red for a reason. Idiots.[/p][/quote]WOW firework you need to chill ,get a hobby that does not involve firearms .Pink nice gesture xxkalebmoledirt

Pyrotechnic wrote:
I drive and I ride. I caught up a cyclist one day who jumped a red light and called him an f****** moron. I then cycled on. He caught me up at the traffic lights and said 'what did you call me?'. I said 'didn't you hear me the first time, I called you an f***** moron, it's people like you who give the rest of us cyclists a bad name. And get some lights you tool'.

For those drivers who evidently hate cyclists, I also hate ones that don't obey the rules of the road. Please don't tarnish us all with the same brush. I wear hi viz (pink these days as I find those drivers who do hate cyclists seem to gives us ladies more room) and please give us all room. I know we are slower and may hold you up for a bit, but it won't take long to get past.

I was overtaken on a blind bend before Christmas, then a car came in the other direction, so they pulled in and took me out and didn't even stop. The skin has only just grown back on my knee.

If the flyers stop that happening to one kid, then job done

And to cyclists, wear a helmet, wear hi viz, put more than one light on your bike, don't sneak up the left at traffic lights, don't cut in front of cars without indicating and don't jump red lights, they are red for a reason. Idiots.

WOW firework you need to chill ,get a hobby that does not involve firearms .Pink nice gesture xx

I am chilled. I wasn't when I was face planting Tarmac..

I actually used to be a cyclist hater.. Bloody pain in the 'arris. Then I cycled after a charity event and that definitely makes you more aware as a driver of what it's like if you think you can 'squeeze past'.. Scary if you're on the bike..

[quote][p][bold]kalebmoledirt[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Pyrotechnic[/bold] wrote:
I drive and I ride. I caught up a cyclist one day who jumped a red light and called him an f****** moron. I then cycled on. He caught me up at the traffic lights and said 'what did you call me?'. I said 'didn't you hear me the first time, I called you an f***** moron, it's people like you who give the rest of us cyclists a bad name. And get some lights you tool'.
For those drivers who evidently hate cyclists, I also hate ones that don't obey the rules of the road. Please don't tarnish us all with the same brush. I wear hi viz (pink these days as I find those drivers who do hate cyclists seem to gives us ladies more room) and please give us all room. I know we are slower and may hold you up for a bit, but it won't take long to get past.
I was overtaken on a blind bend before Christmas, then a car came in the other direction, so they pulled in and took me out and didn't even stop. The skin has only just grown back on my knee.
If the flyers stop that happening to one kid, then job done
And to cyclists, wear a helmet, wear hi viz, put more than one light on your bike, don't sneak up the left at traffic lights, don't cut in front of cars without indicating and don't jump red lights, they are red for a reason. Idiots.[/p][/quote]WOW firework you need to chill ,get a hobby that does not involve firearms .Pink nice gesture xx[/p][/quote]I am chilled. I wasn't when I was face planting Tarmac..
I actually used to be a cyclist hater.. Bloody pain in the 'arris. Then I cycled after a charity event and that definitely makes you more aware as a driver of what it's like if you think you can 'squeeze past'.. Scary if you're on the bike..Pyrotechnic

oh look, more evidence that tells commenter- free facts about how much car-nage is going on, well I never,
http://www.significa
ncemagazine.org/deta
ils/magazine/5665231
/Have-Londons-roads-
become-more-dangerou
s-for-cyclists.html

oh look, more evidence that tells commenter- free facts about how much car-nage is going on, well I never,
http://www.significa
ncemagazine.org/deta
ils/magazine/5665231
/Have-Londons-roads-
become-more-dangerou
s-for-cyclists.htmlnodder1

-there is no test for cyclists because there is no need for one. No country in the world has one, as it is a ridiculous idea, and you make yourself look stupid suggesting it.
-80% of commuting cyclists have a driving licence as well. As they have seen the roads from inside and outside of a car, they are more likely to be able to tell what is the safest way to cycle.
-it is cars killing cyclists and pedestrians that is the problem. We have had one recent serious injury to a pedestrian by a cyclist, that has been front page news for months. Injuries like that caused by a car on a pedestrian aren't even reported as it is so common.

what a complete load of ****ox you lost the argument as soon as you started spouting percentages,,

-80% of commuting cyclists have a driving licence as well. As they have seen the roads from inside and outside of a car, they are more likely to be able to tell what is the safest way to cycle.

-it is cars killing cyclists and pedestrians that is the problem,
Would the drivers of these cars be some of your 80%ers.
go back to sleep like when your riding your bike.

[quote][p][bold]FNS-man[/bold] wrote:
Addressing a few points from idiots here:
-there is no test for cyclists because there is no need for one. No country in the world has one, as it is a ridiculous idea, and you make yourself look stupid suggesting it.
-80% of commuting cyclists have a driving licence as well. As they have seen the roads from inside and outside of a car, they are more likely to be able to tell what is the safest way to cycle.
-it is cars killing cyclists and pedestrians that is the problem. We have had one recent serious injury to a pedestrian by a cyclist, that has been front page news for months. Injuries like that caused by a car on a pedestrian aren't even reported as it is so common.[/p][/quote]what a complete load of ****ox you lost the argument as soon as you started spouting percentages,,
-80% of commuting cyclists have a driving licence as well. As they have seen the roads from inside and outside of a car, they are more likely to be able to tell what is the safest way to cycle.
-it is cars killing cyclists and pedestrians that is the problem,
Would the drivers of these cars be some of your 80%ers.
go back to sleep like when your riding your bike.WTFRUON

FNS-man wrote:
Addressing a few points from idiots here: -there is no test for cyclists because there is no need for one. No country in the world has one, as it is a ridiculous idea, and you make yourself look stupid suggesting it. -80% of commuting cyclists have a driving licence as well. As they have seen the roads from inside and outside of a car, they are more likely to be able to tell what is the safest way to cycle. -it is cars killing cyclists and pedestrians that is the problem. We have had one recent serious injury to a pedestrian by a cyclist, that has been front page news for months. Injuries like that caused by a car on a pedestrian aren't even reported as it is so common.

Everyone is responsible for their actions whether driving or cycling!

[quote][p][bold]FNS-man[/bold] wrote:
Addressing a few points from idiots here: -there is no test for cyclists because there is no need for one. No country in the world has one, as it is a ridiculous idea, and you make yourself look stupid suggesting it. -80% of commuting cyclists have a driving licence as well. As they have seen the roads from inside and outside of a car, they are more likely to be able to tell what is the safest way to cycle. -it is cars killing cyclists and pedestrians that is the problem. We have had one recent serious injury to a pedestrian by a cyclist, that has been front page news for months. Injuries like that caused by a car on a pedestrian aren't even reported as it is so common.[/p][/quote]Everyone is responsible for their actions whether driving or cycling!suzigirl

Dear Deidre,
Everywhere I drive I have cyclists undertaking me and not using lights. I keep seeing people riding on pavements and sometimes they cycle through red lights. This happens about once every two minutes. Its beginning to dominate my life and waking hours, I am developing an irrational hatred to all cyclists as I believe they are all the same. I get shakes and the veins on my head stand out every time the word cyclist is mentioned. Its got so bad that I keep posting the same story about how I saw a cyclist go through a red light again and again in the Bournemouth Echo. What should I do.

Deidre says.
Unfortunately these things can become self perpetuating and a small incident can spark off the anger again. What tends to happen is that a small cycling slight of little significance, or a genuine mistake made by an individual can spark a memory of an cycling incident which although not worldly serious, never the less was serious within your world view.
I would suggest that you stay off of cycling forums and resist the temptation to re-iterate the same story again and again. This not only builds up the importance in your mind, but sharing the same posts with other like minded people again and again will re-enforce the perhaps generalistic view you hold amongst the peer group.
We do look for affirmation of our views, but repeating them again and again to look for that affirmation, may lead you to have a more militant stance than is really necessary.
I do hope you learn to step back and see other viewpoints, for your piece of mind.

Dear Deidre,
Everywhere I drive I have cyclists undertaking me and not using lights. I keep seeing people riding on pavements and sometimes they cycle through red lights. This happens about once every two minutes. Its beginning to dominate my life and waking hours, I am developing an irrational hatred to all cyclists as I believe they are all the same. I get shakes and the veins on my head stand out every time the word cyclist is mentioned. Its got so bad that I keep posting the same story about how I saw a cyclist go through a red light again and again in the Bournemouth Echo. What should I do.
Deidre says.
Unfortunately these things can become self perpetuating and a small incident can spark off the anger again. What tends to happen is that a small cycling slight of little significance, or a genuine mistake made by an individual can spark a memory of an cycling incident which although not worldly serious, never the less was serious within your world view.
I would suggest that you stay off of cycling forums and resist the temptation to re-iterate the same story again and again. This not only builds up the importance in your mind, but sharing the same posts with other like minded people again and again will re-enforce the perhaps generalistic view you hold amongst the peer group.
We do look for affirmation of our views, but repeating them again and again to look for that affirmation, may lead you to have a more militant stance than is really necessary.
I do hope you learn to step back and see other viewpoints, for your piece of mind.Dorset Logic

FNS-man wrote: Addressing a few points from idiots here: -there is no test for cyclists because there is no need for one. No country in the world has one, as it is a ridiculous idea, and you make yourself look stupid suggesting it. -80% of commuting cyclists have a driving licence as well. As they have seen the roads from inside and outside of a car, they are more likely to be able to tell what is the safest way to cycle. -it is cars killing cyclists and pedestrians that is the problem. We have had one recent serious injury to a pedestrian by a cyclist, that has been front page news for months. Injuries like that caused by a car on a pedestrian aren't even reported as it is so common.

Not cars killing cyclists, it idiotic cyclists killing and injuring themselves through sheer stupidity, if some of these cyclists also have a driving licence as you suggest then their driving skills should also be called into question.

Oh dear, you are very misinformed and ignorant of this topic.

Repeated studies of police reports of accidents (which are incidentally massively biased against cyclists) have shown that a large majority of motorist/cyclist accidents are caused solely by motorists, and a small amount by cyclists. This is as one would expect given that cyclists are the only ones to get hurt in a crash.

[quote][p][bold]Hessenford[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]FNS-man[/bold] wrote: Addressing a few points from idiots here: -there is no test for cyclists because there is no need for one. No country in the world has one, as it is a ridiculous idea, and you make yourself look stupid suggesting it. -80% of commuting cyclists have a driving licence as well. As they have seen the roads from inside and outside of a car, they are more likely to be able to tell what is the safest way to cycle. -it is cars killing cyclists and pedestrians that is the problem. We have had one recent serious injury to a pedestrian by a cyclist, that has been front page news for months. Injuries like that caused by a car on a pedestrian aren't even reported as it is so common.[/p][/quote]Not cars killing cyclists, it idiotic cyclists killing and injuring themselves through sheer stupidity, if some of these cyclists also have a driving licence as you suggest then their driving skills should also be called into question.[/p][/quote]Oh dear, you are very misinformed and ignorant of this topic.
Repeated studies of police reports of accidents (which are incidentally massively biased against cyclists) have shown that a large majority of motorist/cyclist accidents are caused solely by motorists, and a small amount by cyclists. This is as one would expect given that cyclists are the only ones to get hurt in a crash.FNS-man

FNS-man wrote: Addressing a few points from idiots here: -there is no test for cyclists because there is no need for one. No country in the world has one, as it is a ridiculous idea, and you make yourself look stupid suggesting it. -80% of commuting cyclists have a driving licence as well. As they have seen the roads from inside and outside of a car, they are more likely to be able to tell what is the safest way to cycle. -it is cars killing cyclists and pedestrians that is the problem. We have had one recent serious injury to a pedestrian by a cyclist, that has been front page news for months. Injuries like that caused by a car on a pedestrian aren't even reported as it is so common.

Everyone is responsible for their actions whether driving or cycling!

And your point is?

[quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]FNS-man[/bold] wrote: Addressing a few points from idiots here: -there is no test for cyclists because there is no need for one. No country in the world has one, as it is a ridiculous idea, and you make yourself look stupid suggesting it. -80% of commuting cyclists have a driving licence as well. As they have seen the roads from inside and outside of a car, they are more likely to be able to tell what is the safest way to cycle. -it is cars killing cyclists and pedestrians that is the problem. We have had one recent serious injury to a pedestrian by a cyclist, that has been front page news for months. Injuries like that caused by a car on a pedestrian aren't even reported as it is so common.[/p][/quote]Everyone is responsible for their actions whether driving or cycling![/p][/quote]And your point is?FNS-man

Pyrotechnic wrote:
I drive and I ride. I caught up a cyclist one day who jumped a red light and called him an f****** moron. I then cycled on. He caught me up at the traffic lights and said 'what did you call me?'. I said 'didn't you hear me the first time, I called you an f***** moron, it's people like you who give the rest of us cyclists a bad name. And get some lights you tool'. For those drivers who evidently hate cyclists, I also hate ones that don't obey the rules of the road. Please don't tarnish us all with the same brush. I wear hi viz (pink these days as I find those drivers who do hate cyclists seem to gives us ladies more room) and please give us all room. I know we are slower and may hold you up for a bit, but it won't take long to get past. I was overtaken on a blind bend before Christmas, then a car came in the other direction, so they pulled in and took me out and didn't even stop. The skin has only just grown back on my knee. If the flyers stop that happening to one kid, then job done And to cyclists, wear a helmet, wear hi viz, put more than one light on your bike, don't sneak up the left at traffic lights, don't cut in front of cars without indicating and don't jump red lights, they are red for a reason. Idiots.

My god a cyclist with sense!

[quote][p][bold]Pyrotechnic[/bold] wrote:
I drive and I ride. I caught up a cyclist one day who jumped a red light and called him an f****** moron. I then cycled on. He caught me up at the traffic lights and said 'what did you call me?'. I said 'didn't you hear me the first time, I called you an f***** moron, it's people like you who give the rest of us cyclists a bad name. And get some lights you tool'. For those drivers who evidently hate cyclists, I also hate ones that don't obey the rules of the road. Please don't tarnish us all with the same brush. I wear hi viz (pink these days as I find those drivers who do hate cyclists seem to gives us ladies more room) and please give us all room. I know we are slower and may hold you up for a bit, but it won't take long to get past. I was overtaken on a blind bend before Christmas, then a car came in the other direction, so they pulled in and took me out and didn't even stop. The skin has only just grown back on my knee. If the flyers stop that happening to one kid, then job done And to cyclists, wear a helmet, wear hi viz, put more than one light on your bike, don't sneak up the left at traffic lights, don't cut in front of cars without indicating and don't jump red lights, they are red for a reason. Idiots.[/p][/quote]My god a cyclist with sense!suzigirl

FNS-man wrote: Addressing a few points from idiots here: -there is no test for cyclists because there is no need for one. No country in the world has one, as it is a ridiculous idea, and you make yourself look stupid suggesting it. -80% of commuting cyclists have a driving licence as well. As they have seen the roads from inside and outside of a car, they are more likely to be able to tell what is the safest way to cycle. -it is cars killing cyclists and pedestrians that is the problem. We have had one recent serious injury to a pedestrian by a cyclist, that has been front page news for months. Injuries like that caused by a car on a pedestrian aren't even reported as it is so common.

Everyone is responsible for their actions whether driving or cycling!

And your point is?

numpty!

[quote][p][bold]FNS-man[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FNS-man[/bold] wrote: Addressing a few points from idiots here: -there is no test for cyclists because there is no need for one. No country in the world has one, as it is a ridiculous idea, and you make yourself look stupid suggesting it. -80% of commuting cyclists have a driving licence as well. As they have seen the roads from inside and outside of a car, they are more likely to be able to tell what is the safest way to cycle. -it is cars killing cyclists and pedestrians that is the problem. We have had one recent serious injury to a pedestrian by a cyclist, that has been front page news for months. Injuries like that caused by a car on a pedestrian aren't even reported as it is so common.[/p][/quote]Everyone is responsible for their actions whether driving or cycling![/p][/quote]And your point is?[/p][/quote]numpty!suzigirl

FNS-man wrote: Addressing a few points from idiots here: -there is no test for cyclists because there is no need for one. No country in the world has one, as it is a ridiculous idea, and you make yourself look stupid suggesting it. -80% of commuting cyclists have a driving licence as well. As they have seen the roads from inside and outside of a car, they are more likely to be able to tell what is the safest way to cycle. -it is cars killing cyclists and pedestrians that is the problem. We have had one recent serious injury to a pedestrian by a cyclist, that has been front page news for months. Injuries like that caused by a car on a pedestrian aren't even reported as it is so common.

Everyone is responsible for their actions whether driving or cycling!

And your point is?

numpty!

So you didn't have a point, you're just trolling. Unsurprising.

[quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]FNS-man[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]suzigirl[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]FNS-man[/bold] wrote: Addressing a few points from idiots here: -there is no test for cyclists because there is no need for one. No country in the world has one, as it is a ridiculous idea, and you make yourself look stupid suggesting it. -80% of commuting cyclists have a driving licence as well. As they have seen the roads from inside and outside of a car, they are more likely to be able to tell what is the safest way to cycle. -it is cars killing cyclists and pedestrians that is the problem. We have had one recent serious injury to a pedestrian by a cyclist, that has been front page news for months. Injuries like that caused by a car on a pedestrian aren't even reported as it is so common.[/p][/quote]Everyone is responsible for their actions whether driving or cycling![/p][/quote]And your point is?[/p][/quote]numpty![/p][/quote]So you didn't have a point, you're just trolling. Unsurprising.FNS-man

..No one forces drivers to drive, or cyclists to cycle. They do it as a freedom of choice!

What we CAN learn from this however, is people don't like notices stuck on their cars (fair enough, neither would I! ) and cyclists don't like don't like to be hit with a couple of tons of metal, plastic and glass!

CYCLISTS: LOOK OUT FOR CARS, MOTORCYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS
Wear something reflective/brightly coloured, have nice bright flashing lights on your bike (front AND rear), and wear a helmet. DON'T cut up drivers, and TRY NOT to cycle on pavements/ride through red lights etc..

DRIVERS: LOOK OUT FOR CYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS.
Use your indicators at junctions etc. TRY NOT to cut up cyclists, and force them into the kerb/potholes etc. DON'T overtake cyclists on roundabouts, then turn directly left in front of them. (It hurts REALLY badly) If there is a deep/long puddle by the side of the road DON'T be surprised if the cycle in front of you doesn't ride through it, as there are quite often hidden obstructions and deep water can cause cyclists to lose control.

PEDESTRIANS: LOOK OUT FOR CYCLISTS,CARS AND MOTORCYCLISTS.. (And everything else, including skateboarders, mobility scooters, dogs not on leashes, children with bad attitudes, and old people with a bad attitude towards everyone else "You owe me everything because I'm older than you, therefore it's up to me where I walk/stop/dawdle.."

MOTORCYCLISTS:
You have one of the worst jobs, as you need eyes in the backs of your heads, and maybe the sides too. As with the drivers, DON'T overtake on roundabouts then turn directly left. If you miss your turn, then go past and come back on it for a second go..

Basically..

..LOOK OUT FOR EACH OTHER, AND TREAT OTHER ROAD USERS WITH RESPECT!

If the weathers bad, GIVE YOURSELF EXTRA TIME TO CARRY OUT YOUR JOURNEY!

In conclusion, can we just agree that NO ONE IS PERFECT, and that if we all keep our eyes open then the accident/mortality rate on our roads WILL drop..

'Nuff said!

I agree...
..No one forces drivers to drive, or cyclists to cycle. They do it as a freedom of choice!
What we CAN learn from this however, is people don't like notices stuck on their cars (fair enough, neither would I! ) and cyclists don't like don't like to be hit with a couple of tons of metal, plastic and glass!
CYCLISTS: LOOK OUT FOR CARS, MOTORCYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS
Wear something reflective/brightly coloured, have nice bright flashing lights on your bike (front AND rear), and wear a helmet. DON'T cut up drivers, and TRY NOT to cycle on pavements/ride through red lights etc..
DRIVERS: LOOK OUT FOR CYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS.
Use your indicators at junctions etc. TRY NOT to cut up cyclists, and force them into the kerb/potholes etc. DON'T overtake cyclists on roundabouts, then turn directly left in front of them. (It hurts REALLY badly) If there is a deep/long puddle by the side of the road DON'T be surprised if the cycle in front of you doesn't ride through it, as there are quite often hidden obstructions and deep water can cause cyclists to lose control.
PEDESTRIANS: LOOK OUT FOR CYCLISTS,CARS AND MOTORCYCLISTS.. (And everything else, including skateboarders, mobility scooters, dogs not on leashes, children with bad attitudes, and old people with a bad attitude towards everyone else "You owe me everything because I'm older than you, therefore it's up to me where I walk/stop/dawdle.."
MOTORCYCLISTS:
You have one of the worst jobs, as you need eyes in the backs of your heads, and maybe the sides too. As with the drivers, DON'T overtake on roundabouts then turn directly left. If you miss your turn, then go past and come back on it for a second go..
Basically..
..LOOK OUT FOR EACH OTHER, AND TREAT OTHER ROAD USERS WITH RESPECT!
If the weathers bad, GIVE YOURSELF EXTRA TIME TO CARRY OUT YOUR JOURNEY!
In conclusion, can we just agree that NO ONE IS PERFECT, and that if we all keep our eyes open then the accident/mortality rate on our roads WILL drop..
'Nuff said!VAGINADINER

..No one forces drivers to drive, or cyclists to cycle. They do it as a freedom of choice!

What we CAN learn from this however, is people don't like notices stuck on their cars (fair enough, neither would I! ) and cyclists don't like don't like to be hit with a couple of tons of metal, plastic and glass!

CYCLISTS: LOOK OUT FOR CARS, MOTORCYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS
Wear something reflective/brightly coloured, have nice bright flashing lights on your bike (front AND rear), and wear a helmet. DON'T cut up drivers, and TRY NOT to cycle on pavements/ride through red lights etc..

DRIVERS: LOOK OUT FOR CYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS.
Use your indicators at junctions etc. TRY NOT to cut up cyclists, and force them into the kerb/potholes etc. DON'T overtake cyclists on roundabouts, then turn directly left in front of them. (It hurts REALLY badly) If there is a deep/long puddle by the side of the road DON'T be surprised if the cycle in front of you doesn't ride through it, as there are quite often hidden obstructions and deep water can cause cyclists to lose control.

PEDESTRIANS: LOOK OUT FOR CYCLISTS,CARS AND MOTORCYCLISTS.. (And everything else, including skateboarders, mobility scooters, dogs not on leashes, children with bad attitudes, and old people with a bad attitude towards everyone else &quot;You owe me everything because I'm older than you, therefore it's up to me where I walk/stop/dawdle.."

MOTORCYCLISTS:
You have one of the worst jobs, as you need eyes in the backs of your heads, and maybe the sides too. As with the drivers, DON'T overtake on roundabouts then turn directly left. If you miss your turn, then go past and come back on it for a second go..

Basically..

..LOOK OUT FOR EACH OTHER, AND TREAT OTHER ROAD USERS WITH RESPECT!

If the weathers bad, GIVE YOURSELF EXTRA TIME TO CARRY OUT YOUR JOURNEY!

In conclusion, can we just agree that NO ONE IS PERFECT, and that if we all keep our eyes open then the accident/mortality rate on our roads WILL drop..

'Nuff said!

Whoops, I forgot one bit..

DRIVERS: LOOK OUT FOR MOTORCYCLISTs.. (Sorry motorcyclists, I didn't mean to leave you out!)

Just goes to show how easy it is to miss something, doesn't it, eh?

'Nuff said!

[quote][p][bold]VAGINADINER[/bold] wrote:
I agree...
..No one forces drivers to drive, or cyclists to cycle. They do it as a freedom of choice!
What we CAN learn from this however, is people don't like notices stuck on their cars (fair enough, neither would I! ) and cyclists don't like don't like to be hit with a couple of tons of metal, plastic and glass!
CYCLISTS: LOOK OUT FOR CARS, MOTORCYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS
Wear something reflective/brightly coloured, have nice bright flashing lights on your bike (front AND rear), and wear a helmet. DON'T cut up drivers, and TRY NOT to cycle on pavements/ride through red lights etc..
DRIVERS: LOOK OUT FOR CYCLISTS AND PEDESTRIANS.
Use your indicators at junctions etc. TRY NOT to cut up cyclists, and force them into the kerb/potholes etc. DON'T overtake cyclists on roundabouts, then turn directly left in front of them. (It hurts REALLY badly) If there is a deep/long puddle by the side of the road DON'T be surprised if the cycle in front of you doesn't ride through it, as there are quite often hidden obstructions and deep water can cause cyclists to lose control.
PEDESTRIANS: LOOK OUT FOR CYCLISTS,CARS AND MOTORCYCLISTS.. (And everything else, including skateboarders, mobility scooters, dogs not on leashes, children with bad attitudes, and old people with a bad attitude towards everyone else "You owe me everything because I'm older than you, therefore it's up to me where I walk/stop/dawdle.."
MOTORCYCLISTS:
You have one of the worst jobs, as you need eyes in the backs of your heads, and maybe the sides too. As with the drivers, DON'T overtake on roundabouts then turn directly left. If you miss your turn, then go past and come back on it for a second go..
Basically..
..LOOK OUT FOR EACH OTHER, AND TREAT OTHER ROAD USERS WITH RESPECT!
If the weathers bad, GIVE YOURSELF EXTRA TIME TO CARRY OUT YOUR JOURNEY!
In conclusion, can we just agree that NO ONE IS PERFECT, and that if we all keep our eyes open then the accident/mortality rate on our roads WILL drop..
'Nuff said![/p][/quote]Whoops, I forgot one bit..
DRIVERS: LOOK OUT FOR MOTORCYCLISTs.. (Sorry motorcyclists, I didn't mean to leave you out!)
Just goes to show how easy it is to miss something, doesn't it, eh?
'Nuff said!VAGINADINER

These tags are a complete waste of public money. It's not worth hanging them on cars owned by people who already think and act safely, not is it worth hanging them on cars that belong to morons - it won't change their behavour either.

The same would happen if any similar tags were hung on bicycles.

Only proper training, experience, time and Darwin will sort any of them out. Naturally, being a soft-shelled creature the cyclist will come off worse in any incident..

Perhaps reinstating the Cycle Proficiency Test might help, but make it mandatory and keep cyclists who fail the CPC off the roads (and pavements, of course).

These tags are a complete waste of public money. It's not worth hanging them on cars owned by people who already think and act safely, not is it worth hanging them on cars that belong to morons - it won't change their behavour either.
The same would happen if any similar tags were hung on bicycles.
Only proper training, experience, time and Darwin will sort any of them out. Naturally, being a soft-shelled creature the cyclist will come off worse in any incident..
Perhaps reinstating the Cycle Proficiency Test might help, but make it mandatory and keep cyclists who fail the CPC off the roads (and pavements, of course).JackJohnson

Just get some respect for your fellow road-users ... and that means drivers, cyclists, pedestrians, motorcyclists. You all have a right to use the public roads that are paid for out of public taxes so just have some respect for one another. Peace and love and all that.

Just get some respect for your fellow road-users ... and that means drivers, cyclists, pedestrians, motorcyclists. You all have a right to use the public roads that are paid for out of public taxes so just have some respect for one another. Peace and love and all that.bottomsup

I think even if cyclists had to go through a hundred loops to be able to cycle on the roads. All that would happen is that the good cyclists would still be good, those that generalise and get wound up, will still generalise and get wound up. Those moments inattention will still kill people whether it be the cyclist or the driver whatever the rules.

I'm worried that a few of the more vocal people just want to ban cycling for some very light reasons. We have a mind set in the UK now of ban or make rules which are aimed at micro managing our life. Often these rules are brought into play because of a very vocal and loud minority.

I cycle and I drive, seen bad cyclists and experienced aggressive drivers when I have been cycling in a careful and lawful manner. Its life threatening and **** frightening when your on a bike, so you do tend to get vocal if its an obvious provocation ( and TBH its a certain generation that does it ). When your in a car and you see bad cycling, for me, its at most a tut.

I am annoyed at some fellow cyclists, because sometimes they do hog the road, two abreast etc, something the group I cycle with won't do. I get equally annoyed at the generalisation those actions entail, because it causes drivers to get aggressive at you and threaten your safety because of what they have experienced.

The difference is, as I have said, One side is getting aggressive and threatening this and that and sometimes going too far on innocent people just out for a bit of fun on a nice day. I hope that in the future this ban / make rules attitude isn't picked up by the next generation.

I think even if cyclists had to go through a hundred loops to be able to cycle on the roads. All that would happen is that the good cyclists would still be good, those that generalise and get wound up, will still generalise and get wound up. Those moments inattention will still kill people whether it be the cyclist or the driver whatever the rules.
I'm worried that a few of the more vocal people just want to ban cycling for some very light reasons. We have a mind set in the UK now of ban or make rules which are aimed at micro managing our life. Often these rules are brought into play because of a very vocal and loud minority.
I cycle and I drive, seen bad cyclists and experienced aggressive drivers when I have been cycling in a careful and lawful manner. Its life threatening and **** frightening when your on a bike, so you do tend to get vocal if its an obvious provocation ( and TBH its a certain generation that does it ). When your in a car and you see bad cycling, for me, its at most a tut.
I am annoyed at some fellow cyclists, because sometimes they do hog the road, two abreast etc, something the group I cycle with won't do. I get equally annoyed at the generalisation those actions entail, because it causes drivers to get aggressive at you and threaten your safety because of what they have experienced.
The difference is, as I have said, One side is getting aggressive and threatening this and that and sometimes going too far on innocent people just out for a bit of fun on a nice day. I hope that in the future this ban / make rules attitude isn't picked up by the next generation.Dorset Logic

As for the labels the council wish to hang on cars e.t.c.
I think car drivers and cyclists would agree that its indicative of the calibre of people we get sitting in judgement in councils these days.

As for the labels the council wish to hang on cars e.t.c.
I think car drivers and cyclists would agree that its indicative of the calibre of people we get sitting in judgement in councils these days.Dorset Logic

skydriver wrote:
We could all post them back to the town hall with out stamps, that would make them think,with the extra postage required, ah now there's a thought !

For a cretin maybe !

[quote][p][bold]skydriver[/bold] wrote:
We could all post them back to the town hall with out stamps, that would make them think,with the extra postage required, ah now there's a thought ![/p][/quote]For a cretin maybe !Poole Pirate

TheDistrict wrote:
When all cyclists are taught how to ride with lights, visible clothing, head phones out of ears, not to weave in out of traffic, then more consideration maybe given to what they want. They play with danger, enforce danger, yet it is the motorists who is told to be safer. Bournemouth Council, get it in the right order please.

When all drivers are taught how to drive with lights, insurance, car radios at a decent volume, not to cut up other road users, not to drive whilst using their mobile phones, not to drink and drive, not to eat whilst driving then more consideration maybe given to what they want. They play with danger, enforce danger, yet it is the cyclists who is told to be safer. Bournemouth Council, get it in the right order please.

A typical response from an obvious cyclist. My opinion was given as a motorist and a cyclist who in either mode abides by the Highway Code and the general rule of the road. From both views I see many cyclists throughout the day not respecting road users of all travel modes, because they feel they have the right to flaunt the rules. Personally, all road users should be made to use the roads correctly and without endangering themselves or others.

I ride and drive as well and respect the rules of the rode. when on my bike I wear a hi viz jacket and helmet. At night and in adverse weather I have lights which I use.

My parody of your post was to highlight the faults on both sides of the transport divide. So please get down off of your high horse and think about the ridiculousness of such a post. Neither side has a perfect argument.

So much sense Ranger Bob - Well said indeed !.

[quote][p][bold]ranger_bob[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]ranger_bob[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote:
When all cyclists are taught how to ride with lights, visible clothing, head phones out of ears, not to weave in out of traffic, then more consideration maybe given to what they want. They play with danger, enforce danger, yet it is the motorists who is told to be safer. Bournemouth Council, get it in the right order please.[/p][/quote]When all drivers are taught how to drive with lights, insurance, car radios at a decent volume, not to cut up other road users, not to drive whilst using their mobile phones, not to drink and drive, not to eat whilst driving then more consideration maybe given to what they want. They play with danger, enforce danger, yet it is the cyclists who is told to be safer. Bournemouth Council, get it in the right order please.[/p][/quote]A typical response from an obvious cyclist. My opinion was given as a motorist and a cyclist who in either mode abides by the Highway Code and the general rule of the road. From both views I see many cyclists throughout the day not respecting road users of all travel modes, because they feel they have the right to flaunt the rules. Personally, all road users should be made to use the roads correctly and without endangering themselves or others.[/p][/quote]I ride and drive as well and respect the rules of the rode. when on my bike I wear a hi viz jacket and helmet. At night and in adverse weather I have lights which I use.
My parody of your post was to highlight the faults on both sides of the transport divide. So please get down off of your high horse and think about the ridiculousness of such a post. Neither side has a perfect argument.[/p][/quote]So much sense Ranger Bob - Well said indeed !.Poole Pirate