Both in Mageia-2 and -3Beta4, I am finding that some mouse hover textbackgrounds are dark grey, which makes the black text difficult to read.The mini-windows that appear on mouse hover seems to vary withindividual icons. Some are larger and easy to read. Some are white text onblack backround.But e..g. Dropbox and Internet connection status icons are using blacktext on a dark grey background - difficult to read, especially on a netbookscreen.

Is there any user control function that can adjust the arrangement, or arewe stuck with whatever the icon's application chose?

On Thursday 18 April 2013 16:45, Maurice Batey conveyed the following toalt.os.linux.mageia...

Post by Maurice BateyBoth in Mageia-2 and -3Beta4, I am finding that some mouse hover textbackgrounds are dark grey, which makes the black text difficult to read.The mini-windows that appear on mouse hover seems to vary withindividual icons. Some are larger and easy to read. Some are whitetext on black backround.But e..g. Dropbox and Internet connection status icons are usingblack text on a dark grey background - difficult to read, especiallyon a netbook screen.Is there any user control function that can adjust the arrangement, orare we stuck with whatever the icon's application chose?

I take it that you're talking of the tooltips. If you're running KDE,then you should be able to set the colors under the ApplicationAppearance section in the System Settings (alias "configure yourdesktop").

Note: You /may/ have to log out and back in for the changes to affectall applications. Sometimes when changing a KDE-related visualaspect, only the newly opened applications bear the changes.

The odd thing is that the tooltips format varies from icon to icon.At least one has white text on a black background, but most are black onwhite - so that would seem to rule out a global rule.(Perhaps it's one of those exceptions that 'proves the rule'...)

Ah, but Firefox is a XUL application, not a KDE application. Now Idon't know about Mageia 2 or 3 beta, but in my Mageia 1 with KDE 4.6.5,I have an option to apply the KDE color scheme to non-KDE (read: GTK)applications.

That may or may not give you the desired result, though. I generallyfind GTK to behave rather unpredictably on account of KDE styling, plusthat XUL-based applications may or may not respond to GNOME/GTK stylingsettings via gconf2.

Post by AragornFirefox is a XUL application, not a KDE application. Now Idon't know about Mageia 2 or 3 beta, but in my Mageia 1 with KDE 4.6.5,I have an option to apply the KDE color scheme to non-KDE (read: GTK)applications.

Yes, that option is there on Mageia-2, under Colours/Options, and it *is*selected.

Post by AragornThat may or may not give you the desired result, though. I generallyfind GTK to behave rather unpredictably on account of KDE styling, plusthat XUL-based applications may or may not respond to GNOME/GTK stylingsettings via gconf2.

Another case (apart from Pan) of black-on-dark is the 'blue globe' Networkconnection status icon in the Panel. Almost impossible to make out the infobeing shown.Is that also 'not KDE'?

If the XUL-based applications are not following KDE styling, what on earthmight be causing them to use such impractical arrangements?

Is it simply that there is no solution to this ridiculous sitation?!

By the way, I am having similar prbblems with Mageia-3-Beta4 on my netbook,so it is not a local Mageia-2-only symptom.

Post by AragornFirefox is a XUL application, not a KDE application. Now Idon't know about Mageia 2 or 3 beta, but in my Mageia 1 with KDE4.6.5, I have an option to apply the KDE color scheme to non-KDE(read: GTK) applications.

Yes, that option is there on Mageia-2, under Colours/Options, and it *is*selected.

Post by AragornThat may or may not give you the desired result, though. I generallyfind GTK to behave rather unpredictably on account of KDE styling,plus that XUL-based applications may or may not respond to GNOME/GTKstyling settings via gconf2.

Another case (apart from Pan) of black-on-dark is the 'blue globe'Network connection status icon in the Panel. Almost impossible to makeout the info being shown.Is that also 'not KDE'?

I don't really know. It's probably some front-end to Network Manager,but I'm not using that as this is a desktop workstation connected to therouter via a CAT5e cable, not a roaming laptop/netbook on WiFi.

Post by Maurice BateyIf the XUL-based applications are not following KDE styling, what onearth might be causing them to use such impractical arrangements?

Probably some compatibility issues between their GTK back-ends and Qt.

Post by Maurice BateyAnother case (apart from Pan) of black-on-dark is the 'blue globe'Network connection status icon in the Panel. Almost impossible to makeout the info being shown.Is that also 'not KDE'?

I don't really know. It's probably some front-end to Network Manager,but I'm not using that as this is a desktop workstation connected to therouter via a CAT5e cable, not a roaming laptop/netbook on WiFi.

Not using NetworkManager. Also, it appears when connected via eth0.As well as the 'black on dark' tooltip problem on Mageia-2, the icon hasmysteriously disappeared from the Panel on my Mageia-3-Beta4!

On Mageia-2, the 'blue globe's settings include "Always start on startup'(ticked), and 'Watched interfaces' include eth0, eth1, and wlan0 options.Anyone know how to get it back into the Panel, please?

Post by Maurice BateyAnother case (apart from Pan) of black-on-dark is the 'blue globe'Network connection status icon in the Panel. Almost impossible to makeout the info being shown.Is that also 'not KDE'?

Post by AragornI don't really know. It's probably some front-end to Network Manager,but I'm not using that as this is a desktop workstation connected to therouter via a CAT5e cable, not a roaming laptop/netbook on WiFi.

Not using NetworkManager. Also, it appears when connected via eth0.As well as the 'black on dark' tooltip problem on Mageia-2, the icon hasmysteriously disappeared from the Panel on my Mageia-3-Beta4!On Mageia-2, the 'blue globe's settings include "Always start on startup'(ticked), and 'Watched interfaces' include eth0, eth1, and wlan0 options.Anyone know how to get it back into the Panel, please?

Post by Maurice BateyOh, yes! True, the icon did then appear in the Panel, but minus anyconnection status info.

That was with an earlier Beta - called "Network Monitor" in the Widgetlist, as in Mageia-2.

With the Beta4 on the netbook, there is no Widget that matches the filter"net".Perhaps the Network Monitor has been replaced by net_applet, which doesnot provide the missing at-a-glance tooltip snapshot of the connectionstatus?

And yet in the RC LiveCD that I tried at the weekend, it did come up withthe old 'blue globe on a stand' icon in the Panel.

If Beta4 is supposed to still have it, then something has wiped it from theWidget collection on this installation.

Post by Maurice BateyIf Beta4 is supposed to still have it, then something has wiped it from theWidget collection on this installation.

Sorry I can not help with Beta4. Running RC. VirtualBox guest has itduring install.

I did manage to get the network center (globe) in my host's task bar byusing the launch menu, tools, system tools, launched it and it jumpedinto the task bar. Right clicking it, settings and you can have itlaunch on start up.

Post by Maurice BateyOK, found it, but 'launching' it (i.e. left mouse click) didn't seem to doanything, so did 'Add to Panel'.Looked at its 'settings' options, saw "Enable launch feedback" and "placein system tray", so ticked both.Re-booted, but hovering mouse pointer over the icon just shows"NetApplet" - no connection info!What did I do wrong?

Can only guess you did not do a clean install of RC. My install steps:Clean install of Mageia-3-RC-x86_64-DVD.iso. Default runlevel: 3Package Group Selection screen has all package groups selected exceptOther Graphical Desktops. non-free and tainted media are enabled.Followed with:remove-unused-packagesurpmi --downloader wget --auto --auto-updaterebooturpme --auto-orphans

Correct - it was a clean install of Beta4, but is fully updated.(But I did re-use the Beta3 /home.)

In that case using a new test account would be in order to rule out auser setting.

Post by Maurice BateyIs there really no way to resurrect the 'connection status' info for the'NetApplet' icon?

I would like for you to create a new user, say junk, and log into junk.If junk's task bar does not have the icon, log out of junk, get intomcc->System->Manage users on system, double click junk, click Groups taband add junk to the adm group.

Yes, and while not running kde as the screwed up user whenremoving/backing them up.

Post by Maurice Batey(and can't do the hiding of the old *plasma* files within the 'your account'session?)

Some files are saved upon exiting KDE, thus recreating the old/badconfig files.

As an FYI, I want the same desktop icons for all my shortcutsregardless or release or Distribution. That means I have saved them in/local/icons and all desktop shortcuts have /local/icons/.. in their~$USER/Desktop/whatever.desktop file.

Here is the gotcha, the icons have to match the icon "size" desktopsettings. Otherwise they are incorrectly shown or not shown at all.

In the beta4 Panel there is a 'hammer on blue globe' icon that does take meinto the Network Centre (showing etho and WLAN state), but it does not givea 'tooltip' glimpse of the situation that the other icon gave (Just shows"Network Centre"). Is that the 'net_applet'?Perhaps the useful old one has been replaced by the above?(No sign of old one ("Network Monitor"in Mageia-2 Widgets) - does notappear in beta4's Widget list.)

True,one can check the status of internet connection, by clicking on thehammer-on-globe icon and then request info on eth0 or WLAN, but that'snowhere near as useful as the at-one-glance tooltip info that used to bepresented.

----------------------------------------------------------[1] 2803Gtk-Message **: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module" at/usr/lib/libDrakX/mygtk2.pm line 20.net_applet already running---------------------------------------------------------There may be some ambiguity about 'net_applet'.In the beta4 Panel there is a 'hammer on blue globe' icon that does take meinto the Network Centre (showing etho and WLAN state), but it does not givea 'tooltip' glimpse of the situation that the other icon gave (Just shows"Network Centre"). Is that the 'net_applet'?

Sorry, no idea what a "tooltip glimpse of the situation" is or means.net_applet tells you if you are connected to the wifi or not. It (atleast in Mag 2) shows the Mac type concentric radiating circle arcs ifyou are connected, the globe if you are connected to teh access pointbut no IP.

Not sure what else you wanted, but that was what I referred to andthought you were referring to .

Post by Maurice BateyPerhaps the useful old one has been replaced by the above?(No sign of old one ("Network Monitor"in Mageia-2 Widgets) - does notappear in beta4's Widget list.)True,one can check the status of internet connection, by clicking on thehammer-on-globe icon and then request info on eth0 or WLAN, but that'snowhere near as useful as the at-one-glance tooltip info that used to bepresented.Anyone else got the latter one in Beta4?!