"The test tube meat strips actually pulsate and twitch during their laboratory growth phase, by the way, and they're ultimately ground up with strips of test tube fat grown in a similar way to produce a fatty hamburger-like substance. "

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Of course, what does processed meat actually taste like anyway? MSG, sodium nitrite and processed salt, for the most part. So making lab-grown meat taste like today's factory-processed meat only requires the injection of a few additives into the growth culture. Imagine growing meat patties with MSG inside every cell!"

"By the way, this whole freak show of artificial meat production is being financed by an "...anonymous and extremely wealthy benefactor who Prof Post claims is a household name with a reputation for 'turning everything into gold'."

The Texas Parks and Wildlife Service has a rabies eradication program where they would drop dog biscuits laden with rabies vaccine in areas with a lot of coyotes and other animals that were spreading the disease, which as we all know, affects many species incuding humans.

It was no huge conspiracy. In fact, most ranchers welcomed the Wildlife Service onto their property for this purpose. My ex's father did that for a living. It has nothing to do with GMO and trying to draw a connection between the two is preposterous.

Hi Nancy, I have always been turned off by the thought of growth hormones, preservatives, and whatever other Chemicals are being used to promote fast growth and increased size of the animal's being used in the meats that I eat and feed to my family, not to mention many cases of poor food handling, and who knows how many hands it has passed through before hitting the market, or how many times it may have started to thaw and been re-froze, grouse, rabbit, and venison are my meats of choice, most anything that uses ground beef is just as good if not better with ground Venison, I especially like the fact that it's in my control from the moment of harvest to the dinner table. I still occasionally use store bought meats but limit the amount and frequency.

Nope Nancy, the only one's I have issue with are the ones who eat meat but criticize me for hunting, I know it's not for everyone and I totally respect that, but to me hunting my own food is far more then just for sport.

"We are a nation collectively and figuratively holding our breath in fear that a first, suspicious outbreak of smallpox might occur at any time. Many fear that such an event will trigger a government mandate forcing mass "Vaccinia (Smallpox) Vaccinations" to immunize people against smallpox. "

"The baits have been found in yards, near homes, in public areas such as parks, on sidewalks and roads, a possible contamination in a cattle feedlots"

Here is the point; there is more in the vaccines that we are being told, and cross comtamination between species is a danger to both man and animal.

"Although according to the USDA's Animal and Plant Inspection Service, (APHI, and the FDA, there has never been a reported human rabies death directly or indirectly connected to a raccoon, the distribution of the oral wildlife vaccination for raccoon rabies has been conducted in the United States since 1990."

"The first release of the recombinant vaccine bait occurred on Parramore Island, VA, with other efforts then following in New Jersey, Massachusetts, Florida, New York, Vermont, Ohio, Maryland, Virginia and Texas. At this time, tens of millions of the baits have been dropped or otherwise distributed. In an interview with Health Scout News, Dr. Rupprecht described the recombinant vaccinia-rabies vaccine as being one of "firsts."

It is the first oral vaccine for rabies to be used in the United States, the first bait ever to be used to control the disease in raccoons, the first wildlife vaccine used in the United States, and "it was the first release of a genetically modified organism in the world." (Health.) According to an October 1995 report prepared by Tufts University titled, "BioScience," it was also among the only live "inter-generic" genetically engineered microorganism to be approved for sale in the United States.

"Of course, what these researchers don't yet understand in their scientific ignorance (and arrogance) is that they are also engaged in a rabies DNA / RNA bombardment of Texas. As even the Institute of Medicine has admitted, MMR vaccines for use in humans actually cause measles because many of the vaccines contain live viral strains."

"Vaccine manufacturing is conducted under such poor quality control today that vaccines are routinely shipped out the door containing viable viral strains that often infect and sometimes even kill human victims. For example, in 2009 Baxter Pharmaceuticals was caught red-handed shipping out live avian flu viruses to 18 countries (http://www.naturalnews.com/025760.html).

Add to this the fact that many deer in Texas are being fed genetically modified corn (GMOs), and you now have engineered genetic material from bt corn residing in the flesh of deer that might be consumed by the very same coyotes who are eating the air-dropped rabies vaccines. What might be the consequences of such a dangerous genetic experiment involving tens of thousands of animals in the wild?"

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If they keep this up, before long Texas will become a DNA battlefield where the entire natural ecosystem is massively contaminated with genetic intervention at every level.

But of course, it keeps the vaccine companies in business, doesn't it? And as Rick Perry proved with his HPV Gardasil scandal, Texas loves to force vaccines on innocent people while collecting payoffs from the drug companies that make them. (http://www.naturalnews.com/033705_Gardasil_Rick_Perry.html)

You can bet someone in the Texas Department of State Health Services is receiving a nice, fat payoff for all this."

My members of my family have ranched for a living. So you might want to just pipe down before you are proved wrong, again.

What about the human deaths from contact with the bait? Did you even read the article? The danger to preganat women?

The only thing that scares me Angela, is people that refuse to learn. Other than that, I am pretty damn self reliant. Scared isn't a word anyone would use to describe me LOL.

But you sure seem scared of learning anything new.

Because then, your organized reality would be blown to bits and then how would you deal with that? Better start pracitcing because things are moving faster and faster regardless if you are on board or not.

NaturalNews) In seeking answers to why adolescent girls are suffering devastating health damage after being injected with HPV vaccines, SANE Vax, Inc decided to have vials of Gardasil tested in a laboratory. There, they found over a dozen Gardasil vaccine vials to be contaminated with rDNA of the Human Papillomavirus (HPV). The vials were purchased in the United States, Australia, New Zealand, Spain, Poland and France, indicating Gardasil contamination is a global phenomenon"

"If you thought vaccines were safe, think again. Get informed. Learn the truth, and please share this story so that others may also be informed.

Listen up, folks: Why do you think the vaccine industry pushed so hard for total financial immunity under the government's vaccine injury compensation plan? Because they knew that if the truth ever got out about how many cases of cancer, autism and even death were truly caused by vaccines, they would be financially wiped out!

I don't care about your opinions. You actually do more harm than good for the things you rant against. In case you haven't noticed that by now. Your approach leaves people cringing and unwilling to listen. You're barking, but you ain't getting no bones.

Are you also saying that I am depriving myself of information because I do not follow all your links and read all your posts?

Seriously?

I think I managed pretty well this far and I'm pretty damn sure I can manage finding my own information, Bubba.

Oh, yay, another person that thinks green stars and messages are some sort of confirmation that they are winning something. Weird. How do you know I haven't gotten more, genius? It's not something most people usually feel a need to mention.

Foul mouth? Say, what? I haven't spoken a word. You mean you have never seen the word "ass" or "damn" in writing before? I didn't realize you were such a delicate flower.

McDonald's announced last week that, as of last August, is has stopped using ammonium hydroxide in the production of its hamburgers. MSNBC reports that the chemical, used in fertilizers, household cleaners and even homemade explosives, was also used to prepare McDonalds' hamburger meat.

And while the announcement is making headlines, you may (or may not) want to know about some other unusual chemicals being used in the production of some of our most-popular foods:

Propylene glycol: This chemical is very similar to ethylene glycol, a dangerous anti-freeze. This less-toxic cousin prevents products from becoming too solid. Some ice creams have this ingredient; otherwise you'd be eating ice.

Carmine: Commonly found in red food coloring, this chemical comes from crushed cochineal, small red beetles that burrow into cacti. Husks of the beetle are ground up and forms the basis for red coloring found in foods ranging from cranberry juice to M&Ms.

Shellac: Yes, this chemical used to finish wood products also gives some candies their sheen. It comes from the female Lac beetle.

L-cycsteine: This common dough enhancer comes from hair, feathers, hooves and bristles.

Lanolin (gum base): Next time you chew on gum, remember this. The goopiness of gum comes from lanolin, oils from sheep's wool that is also used for vitamin D3 supplements.

Silicon dioxide: Nothing weird about eating sand, right? This anti-caking agent is found in many foods including shredded cheese and fast food chili.

So, what moved McDonald's to make the change in their hamburger production? In a statement posted on its website, McDonald's senior director of quality systems Todd Bacon wrote:

"At the beginning of 2011, we made a decision to discontinue the use of ammonia-treated beef in our hamburgers. This product has been out of our supply chain since August of last year. This decision was a result of our efforts to align our global standards for how we source beef around the world."

The U.S. Agriculture Department classifies the chemical as "generally recognized as safe." McDonald's says they stopped using the chemical months ago and deny the move came after a public campaign against ammonium hydroxide by celebrity chef Jamie Oliver.

You can watch video of Jamie Oliver showing the process of using ammonium hydroxide on meat here:

The food industry uses ammonium hydroxide as an anti-microbial agent in meats, which allows McDonald's to use otherwise "inedible meat."

On his show, Oliver said of the meat treatment: "Basically we're taking a product that would be sold in the cheapest form for dogs and making it 'fit' for humans."

Even more disturbing, St. Louis-based dietician Sarah Prochaska told NBC affiliate KSDK that because ammonium hydroxide is considered part of the "component in a production procedure" by the USDA, consumers may not know when the chemical is in their food.

"It's a process, from what I understand, called 'mechanically separated meat' or 'meat product,'" Prochaska said. "The only way to avoid it would be to choose fresher products, cook your meat at home, cook more meals at home."

"Dr. Rupprecht described the recombinant vaccinia-rabies vaccine as being one of "firsts." "

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As a sign of just how dumb our schools are these days, some people here don't know the difference between a vaccinia (cowpox) and a variola (smallpox). Nor do they know the difference between a live virus, attentuated virus, and a glycoprotein.

No wonder the conspriacy idiots of the world are so hysterical all the time.

"The description of the woman's infection and ordeal with vaccinia appeared in the New England Journal of Medicine in a case report authored in part by CDC's Dr. Charles Rupprecht. (Journal.)"

But maybe he could call you Nancy and you could clear it up for him. The meaning of the word "first" may have stumped you there as it is discussing what has already been dumped on the wildlife starting in 1997- 2002.

That is exactaly what the article said. It is there for all to read.
The mutations and how these vacciinations effect DNA is a concern Nancy,
There is much concern regarding the vaccines that we are being subjected to. As well there should be.

I am pretty darn sure that the CDC and the Institute of Medicine know the difference between between DNA and RNA as well as between Vaccinia and Variola.

But I am sure that they would appreciate you explaing their mistakes to them. Prehaps you should read the article before making that call though.

"they are also engaged in a rabies DNA / RNA bombardment of Texas. As even the Institute of Medicine has admitted, MMR vaccines for use in humans actually cause measles because many of the vaccines contain live viral strains. "

"What are the unintended consequences of air-dropping viral fragments of rabies over 7,000 square miles of open terrain? Engaging in such an act is just begging to be humbled by nature as that viral material gets recombined into some other deadly pathogen that exists in the wild, creating a hybrid "Franken-virus" that never would have existed without this arrogant "scientific" intervention."

" the recent research published in Cell Research that shows how microRNA (small fragments of genetic code) can pass through the digestive system, attach to organs such as the liver, and alter the physiology of those organs."

" If they keep this up, before long Texas will become a DNA battlefield where the entire natural ecosystem is massively contaminated with genetic intervention at every level."

That is the pont Nancy, what combination of which vaccines and GMO's will create what diseases?

But , I guess that that could just call you and you could clear this all up for them.

In the article Nancy, the woman had removed the bait from her dogs mouth and had contact with open wound on her hand.

That is how the vaccinia could spread the virus, which is a pox- type virus but causes milder disease. There is a great possibility of the spread of this pox virus.

VACCINIA

What is the smallpox vaccine made of?

The vaccine is made from a virus called vaccinia, another pox-type virus related to smallpox. The smallpox vaccine helps the body develop immunity to smallpox.

Is it possible for people to get smallpox from the vaccination?

No. The smallpox vaccine does not contain smallpox virus and cannot spread or cause smallpox. However, the vaccine does contain another virus called vaccinia which is live in the vaccine. (the live virus in the smallpox vaccine)Because the virus is alive, it can spread to other parts of the body or to other people from the vaccine site. For that reason, the vaccine site must be carefully monitored.

Is it possible to get vaccinia, the virus in the vaccine, from someone who has recently been vaccinated?

Yes. Vaccinia is spread by touching a vaccination site before it has healed or by touching bandages or clothing that have become contaminated with live virus from the vaccination site. Vaccinia is not spread through airborne contagion. The vaccinia virus may cause rash, fever, and head and body aches.

I really don't enjoy correcting you Angela, but you just can't control yourself when it comes to me.

Here you go Genius girl:

"Currently, designated U.S. military personnel receive the vaccine. In addition, laboratory researchers working on certain pox viruses are also be eligible to receive the vaccine."

Some of the public worry about bioterrorism and ask for the vaccination, it is not available to the publc.

"Routine vaccination of the American public was stopped in 1972 after the disease was eradicated from the United States. However, smallpox has the potential to be deliberately used as a weapon by terrorists. A large proportion of the population has no immunity and fatality rates could be higher than 25% if smallpox were to be released as a bioterrorist weapon."

I'm bored with you. It'e the same conspiracy crap day after day. Isn't there a group here just for people to connect their dots and sit around causing fear amongst each other? You should look for one. I'd like to get back to discussing poilitics and issues without the fear mongering.

As you had to concede, you were accusing me of something that did not occur. And, had you not incorrectly stated that I, or anyone else said that the vaccine caused small pox, there would not have been any "incessant" to it.

So there you go.

As the articles discussed, it is the combinations of different vaccines and GMO's that are of concern. If you just take them as a single issue, you miss the danger of what may occur.

It is not as simple as eradicating rabies. For the vaccinating may be creating more need for more vaccinations.

But you would have to read the information.

That would have been an ideal solution, had you done that before you made an issue out of a non-issue.

And it sure would make for a more interesting thread, if people would actually address the issues presented.

But then again, you would have to allow yourselves to learn some things that you had not known to begin with.

Louis Pasteur and Emile Roux made the first rabies vaccine in 1885. Just about 100 years later, in 1984, scientists developed the current means of putting the glycoprotein from rabies into the vaccinia in oral form. The oral vaccine has been in use for almost 30 years.

Praetorian stated, "It is not as simple as eradicating rabies. For the vaccinating may be creating more need for more vaccinations."

It hasn't happened yet and it's been 100 years. You are making preposterous claims.

The thread is about what is put into our food. That includes GMO's and what ever effects vaccines and GMO's combinations will create in the meat that we eat.

No, you are wrong again Angela :

What Texas Dept. of State Health Services workers probably don't yet grasp is that vaccine manufacturers routinely use vaccines to spread the very disease they claim to be preventing. By injecting live rabies strains into a small percentage of the vaccines dropped on Texas (say, one percent), they are effectively engaging in a DNA carpet-bombing run that will absolutely guarantee rabies continues to remain endemic throughout feral animal populations in the state. This, of course, will result in yet more rabies vaccines being purchased to "combat the problem," thereby achieving the goal of the entire scam: To sell more vaccines to the government.

But I see that it is all "preposterous" because you are unaware or unwilling to examine the issue from all sides.

But gee, thanks for the little "FYI" moment there about Louis Pastuer, as irrevelant as it was...

"In fact, that now they're moving on to develop an airdrop vaccine for skunks. So in 2012 and beyond, they'll be carpet-bombing Texas with skunk rabies vaccines.

Gee, did they ever consider the possibility that the reason skunks have so much rabies is because they've been dropping rabies DNA / RNA onto the landscape for nearly two decades? And after they treat the skunks, they still have a long list of animals to target with yet more vaccines, see? What about a raccoon vaccine? How about wild pig vaccines? Deer vaccines? At what point does this effort vaccinate all the wild animals of the world ever end?

The author of the article Angela, is the one that is pointing out how the vaccines containing the DNA/RNA may be creating more super viruses. But as you have demonstrated, this is not something that you are aware of, or well versed in.

"as that viral material gets recombined into some other deadly pathogen that exists in the wild, creating a hybrid "Franken-virus" that never would have existed without this arrogant "scientific" intervention."

Angelica, apparently it is our problem and our baggage. It has nothing to do with the way P delivers the message or how he addresses people in doing same.

I agree with Uno, someone could tell me something that I absolutely agree with and if they do so in a degrading or nasty tone, or one that carries a bit of drama or over the topness, they lose me.

I remember the night P came into the group. He came looking for action, and found it here.

No one wants to be preached to or lectured to. I like to form my own opinions and if I don't see the entirety of someone elses opinion, in no way does that mean I am a sheeple or sleeping or stupid. It means I disagree with all or some of what another is saying.

It is boring to me and that is why I don't come here so often. Every thread is the same. If you don't see what I see, you are blind. So be it.

I have had someone in my life tell me all this stuff since the 80's. The black helicopters and on and on. The only problem is this person is a serious crack head. It it hard to differentiate his lunacy and paranoia from any reality that may exist within those rants.

Angelica: No that is not what I was saying I was responding to Uno, nothing to do with you.

Suzanne: You mis remember then. When I came here, I was immediately attacked by a number of you despite my attempts at being kind. It was the response to my opinions that started this. Too bad that you want to blame someone else other than the little group of "friends" that insists on ruling around here.

And once again, it is your reaction to new that you do not want to hear.

Nancy: No, you are wrong, but you are deperately trying to be right. The articles were clear and you are attempting to twist context.

You should take a remedial course in biology there, Nance. Because some of the real experts are very concerned about the vaccines, GMO's and what effects they may have in the future, not to mention what effects we may be ignoring now.

"Vaccine manufacturing is conducted under such poor quality control today that vaccines are routinely shipped out the door containing viable viral strains "

So it is very likely that some vaccines may have been dropped that contain a live virus. At only a 1% rate, out of the 13 million that have been dropped, that presents a serious case for concern. Dropping viral fragments over 7,000 sq miles could be a real concern when those animals may be eating another animal which has consumed a GMO corn.

But you have no knowledge what so ever about that recomibnation or what it may do to human that then eat the host. That is the point here and you just want to mis represent the context and what is being said.

So how about you astound us with your knowledge of the vaccine/GMO recombination and how that would effect humans if they were to ingest such a combination. That would be impressive Nancy, not this clutching at trying to catch someone by twisiting context.

Gee Nancy I wonder if you even are aware of the micro RNA that can pass through the gut and attach to other organs? The half life for a properly prepared and handled rabies vaccine has nothing to do with the concerns of recombination within a host. But cute try at deflecting there.

Too bad that you want to blame someone else other than the little group of "friends" that insists on ruling around here.

Translation: People who disagree

"Vaccine manufacturing is conducted under such poor quality control today that vaccines are routinely shipped out the door containing viable viral strains "

This was done in or around 2006 when we had the last big Bird flu pandemic. We all found out later that the WHO had released this virus into the general population on purpose.

Later, WHO came out with a statement on their website apologizing and saying that the virus has only been released becasue they wanted to test the efficacy of their medical interventions. Today, online, you cannot find any mention of this at all. At least, I couldn't.

Nancy: No, you are wrong, but you are deperately trying to be right. The articles were clear and you are attempting to twist context.

You should take a remedial course in biology there, Nance. Because some of the real experts are very concerned about the vaccines, GMO's and what effects they may have in the future, not to mention what effects we may be ignoring now."

Sorry Prae- you are way off base.

Not that there is some cause for concern about any product. Of course there is. That IS why we have regulations.

Think what you want.

"Gee Nancy I wonder if you even are aware of the micro RNA that can pass through the gut and attach to other organs?"

Yes, I am. But since it is a moelcule and not an intact virion....

"Dropping viral fragments over 7,000 sq miles could be a real concern when those animals may be eating another animal which has consumed a GMO corn."

Once again, Nancy you fail to accept what professionals in the field are concerned with. And once agan you twist context to protect your rather weak excuse at defending all out mass vaccination of wildlife.

Angelica, ah..jump right in. Ok.

I am certain Nancy, that the WHO and other scientists and medical professionals will be ecstatic to hear that you personally do not see any concerns in live virus contamination, recombination, GMO, etc.

I'm a vegetarian and so I'm not much concerned with this. I do love the terms "rump roast" and "chicken breast" though. I think the Freudian aspect of the sexual component of flesh eaters is hilarious.

"Once again, Nancy you fail to accept what professionals in the field are concerned with."

Don't put words in my mouth. I said that the fact that WHO has recommended keeping track is a good thing. This would happen in the US anyway because of the CDC.

I didn't say I wasn't concerned but once again, as long as all those incendences (what is it- one?) are being tracked as required by the CDC, I am glad for this.

"I am certain Nancy, that the WHO and other scientists and medical professionals will be ecstatic to hear that you personally do not see any concerns in live virus contamination, recombination, GMO, etc."

"As a veterinarian I am concerned about the consequences of the widespread dissemination of modified live virus (MLV) and genetically engineered (GE) virus strains through the mass vaccinations of humans, livestock and poultry, and in-house companion animals. Some GE vaccines have been widely used in several countries in bait to stop rabies in foxes, jackals, and other wild carnivores. These vaccines all contain live viruses, and supposedly weakened attenuated or inactivated strains recombined, like the pox virus which is used as an infective carrier, spliced with an attenuated strand of rabies virus DNA.

In a different context, this is akin to the Cauliflower mosaic virus that is used as a carrier of engineered genes in GE crops conferring herbicide tolerance and the manufacture of insecticidal proteins (Bt in corn). But there is one big difference. The aim of vaccination is to trigger an antibody immune response to the antigens in the vaccine. A poor response could lead to actual disease from the vaccine or vaccine failure, just as immunologic over-reaction (via aggressive anti-self antibody production) could mean death to the recipient."

"We are interested in understanding the interaction of rabies with the infected host at the molecular level. The molecular mechanism of rabies virus pathogenesis is not well understood, and our research analyzes the different functions of the rhabdoviral proteins (e.g. rabies virus) and their interactions with host proteins and the immune system."

"In July 2009 the World health Organization reported several outbreaks of a mutated strain of poliomyelitis in children identified as causing paralysis originating from children who had been given the oral, modified live vaccine that they shed in their urine and feces which forseeably infected unvaccinated children. Oral vaccination of red foxes against rabies in Ontario Canada, using a modified live virus vaccine in bait (often distributed from airplanes) has actually caused rabies in red foxes, raccoons, striped skinks and domestic animals (a bovine calf), according to Fehiner-Gardiner et al (2008). "

"The company confirmed one dog contracted rabies after receiving a dose from Serial 873113A of its Rabvac 3 TF vaccine. A statement from Fort Dodge added that the primary reason a vaccinated animal would contract the disease is because of a poor immune response. But this does raise a red flag over the potential risks of widespread dissemination of modified live virus vaccines."

"Pair the release of such GE vaccines into the environment with the recent reporting of the rabies virus rapidly evolving in Arizona and other parts of the US. It is cross-infecting bats, foxes, and skunks, and health authorities are rightly concerned that the virus could soon jump into the human population, like the Hanta virus, and West Nile virus. Adding attenuated live vaccines into such a pathogenic milieu is counter-intuitive.

Using the proteins expressed from the rabies virus DNA, albeit replication-defective, and splicing it on to a highly attenuated avian influenza virus for manufacture and use by the poultry industry world wide is patently absurd in terms of potential risks and ultimate costs. Widespread vaccinations against one infectious strain may open the door for the proliferation of a different pathogenic virus, as in the viral epidemic-vaccine associated outbreaks of canine distemper and rabies in Maasai dogs and lions, wild dogs, and other endangered carnivore species. "

" With escalating use of such baits especially in the U.S., the creation of a wildlife reservoir for vaccinia virus is highly probable."

"New hybrid virus progenies resulting from genetic recombination between genetically engineered vaccine viruses and their naturally occurring relatives may possess totally unpredictable characteristics with regard to host preferences and disease-causing potentials. Furthermore, when genetically modified or engineered virus particles break down in the environment, their nuclei acids are released. Appropriate risk management is the key to minimizing any potential risks to humans and environment resulting from the use of these GM vaccines.There is inadequate knowledge to define either the probability of unintended events or the consequences of genetic modifications."

I have a theory that Praetorian is attention seeking. To a Narcissist any attention is good attention. He'll keep it going for as long as someone will keep responding, as we have seen on the Michelle Obama underwear thread.

The rampant insults to anyone not agreeing, the condescending speeches, the flooding of quotes and articles to give the appearance of legitimacy... all typical Narcissist. None of the knowledge is even his own. He does a Google search, finds something that seems to confirm what he's saying, yet isn't comprehending the information. When numerous people try to explain, everyone else is wrong. Everyone is wrong unless they agree with him.

I think what Praetorian wants is a group full of students that sit in open mouthed awe at his revelations and our job here is only to ask questions and believe all the answers he gives.

As long as someone does not deal with the issue and they keep trying to change the facts, then I will continue.

Until they can present facts that refute what is presented. The problem is Angela, that when some can not refute, they get angry. And when they get angry, they lose the point.

See, you personalize it about me. Try dealing with the sources presented, that may help you not wander off into an angry frenzy. Because I have no doubt that if you put as much effort into researching the issue, as you do trying to debase me, we would all learn something useful.

I am the studen Angela, waiting for others to teach me as well. We are all students, even those that fight it.

People have refuted and explained and posted for days here. You throw all of it back at them because you already have something fixed in your mind as true and are not listening.

Frankly, I'm done with you. You insult and belittle when people disagree. But... when they agree in the slightest, you praise them and tell them how smart they are and oh, aren't they wonderful? I noticed that about you from the beginning and I also told you that people can see that for the manipulation that it is.

Say what you want, post what you want, but you've already hurt your crediblity with most of the people posting here. Even people that may have agreed, or looked deeper into an issue, have turned the other way because of your methods. So... yeah, good job. I told you days ago that your methods were having the opposite effect than you expected.

Not sure why you keep thinking people are getting angry about anything. If I were any calmer I would be asleep. You can perceive things the way you want, but that doesn't make it fact.

I wish you no ill will. I just don't wish to feed your narcissism anymore.

P, When you first came people were decent to you. Then you started with your lessons and if others didn't fall in line, well you know....

One thing is the majority of what you are bringing up, has been brought up and debated repeatedly. Although, you may not have partaken in those conversations, I have. They are always the same.

Honestly, I do resent your constant referral to my not excepting new. This is not new. Like I said above, I have been hearing about this from someone in my 3D life since the 80's. It's the same, trust me. Not new at all.

I presented information from the WHO and professionals with degrees. They backed up the "opinions".

So you really don't have a leg to stand on there. You just don't like that your information is a bit behind the curve.

And Angela, you have been "done" with me for many days now, what keeps you coming back? After all, you are in control of your responses, yes?

I hear a lot of complaining from people that do like to see their long held beliefs challenged by others. Too bad, so sad, because with the times ahead, you had better get use to it.

I welcome being wrong, the problem is, you chose to attack me instead of the information. That is where you are going wrong here. It makes it easy to keep putting the facts out there for others to read and assess.

"So you really don't have a leg to stand on there. You just don't like that your information is a bit behind the curve."

I said that I agreed with what the WHO had to say as far as keeping data.

Now here is some data for you.

In the years 1990-2000, according to the CDC, there were 32 humans cases of rabies. Rabies is lethal you know.

The bait program began in 1995. As of 2009, there have been two cases of human infections associated with the bait. None have been reported in animals as far as I could tell. The humnas lived.

So- think real hard and tell me which is worse- rabies or the vaccine.

Oh yeah- also from the CDC:

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Wild animal surveillance

Wild animals accounted for 92% of reported cases of rabies in 2010. Raccoons continued to be the most frequently reported rabid wildlife species (36.5% of all animal cases during 2010), followed by skunks (23.5%), bats (23.2%), foxes (7.0%), and other wild animals, including rodents and lagomorphs (1.8%). Reported cases decreased among all wild animals during 2010."

Domestic animal surveillance

Domestic species accounted for 8% of all rabid animals reported in the United States in 2010. The number of reported rabid domestic animals decreased among all domestic species except cats.

Human rabies surveillance

In this century, the number of human deaths in the United States attributed to rabies has declined from 100 or more each year to an average of 2 or 3 each year. Two programs have been responsible for this decline. First, animal control and vaccination programs begun in the 1940's and oral rabies vaccination programs in the 2000's have eliminated domestic dogs as reservoirs of rabies in the United States. Second, effective human rabies vaccines and immunoglobulins have been developed.

"health authorities are rightly concerned that the virus could soon jump into the human population, like the Hanta virus, and West Nile virus. Adding attenuated live vaccines into such a pathogenic milieu is counter-intuitive."

"Furthermore, when genetically modified or engineered virus particles break down in the environment, their nuclei acids are released"

The ends do not always justify the means Nancy, especially with unknown engineered virus.

You see, you refuse to address the issue, instead you insist on providing stats on rabies.

And unless and until someone does, this issue is not being addressed by the group. And they are avoiding a real current and future concern while wasting time on irrelevant stats that do not take the concerns into bearing.

And BTW, I went to the actual journal articles that you claim to have a quote from above. I did not see that quote.

I did see this as the conclusion of one paper.

"It is clear that the vaccination campaigns have been successful in reducing the number of rabid animals in Ontario; in the eastern counties, the Arctic fox variant of rabies has been eliminated (MacInnes et al., 2001, unpubl. data). Thus, when balanced against the success of the Ontario vaccination campaign, it would appear that the small risk of individual disease development due to the residual pathogenicity of the ERA vaccine is acceptable."

IN both journal articles they mentioned that 16 million baits had been dropped.

Again- the benefit outweighs the risk.

(ANd BTW- what does this have to do with meat, or GMO, or "Hanta virus, and West Nile virus"?)

You see, you refuse to address the issue, instead you insist on providing stats on rabies.

And unless and until someone does, this issue is not being addressed by the group. And they are avoiding a real current and future concern while wasting time on irrelevant stats that do not take the concerns into bearing.

Again Nancy, you refuse to address the point here. But it may be beyond the scope of your expertise. You do not want to discuss the the unknown effects of GE virus and MLV, DNA splicing and the genetic recombination possibilities that may be shaping up in nature.

Mutations and recombination along with eating GMO may have effects that we can not control. We very frankly, have no idea of the scope of their effects.

The quote is copied in a post above, so it really didn't take much effort to research that one.

And again, no one is saying that the vaccine did not elimanate rabies, so you can drop that one any time now. The question is, at what cost do we continue with designer vaccines. So no, many do not think that the benefits will out weigh the future risks with so many variables now involved. The vaccine companies and the government are being very short sighted.

The articles are there, you either didn't read them, or are incapable of understanding. Maybe you will one day, maybe you won't. But I would hope that if you really are involved in some "professional" capacity, that you would have the integrity and curiousity to question these proceedures.

However, the info is out and people can think about what all of this manipulation may be doing in nature. Its not looking good.

"I am concerned about the consequences of the widespread dissemination of modified live virus (MLV) and genetically engineered (GE) virus strains through the mass vaccinations"

"These vaccines all contain live viruses, and supposedly weakened attenuated or inactivated strains recombined, like the pox virus which is used as an infective carrier, spliced with an attenuated strand of rabies virus DNA."

Mary, no, not at all. But you seem to post to me, just to be ugly, no real input on the subject. But maybe that's what blows air up your skirt.

Angelica, read the articles and you will have the answer to that question. I have provided it one too many times. You really can do some of the work yourself. Or not. You can remain wistfully unaware, it really doesn't matter.

Hey Angela, is that you without your wig on, or is that your boyfriend doing his mating dance for you? ( beware,I think he may need a rabies shot)

You're absolutely right! This whole thing is going to trigger the zombie apocalypse! We are all doomed. Well, except for me. I'm not doomed. I'm prepared. I've been watching The Walking Dead every week and have seen dozens of zombie movies.

"You do not want to discuss the the unknown effects of GE virus and MLV, DNA splicing and the genetic recombination possibilities that may be shaping up in nature."

I just don't know what you want people to say here. You want to speculate about something that may or may not happen if the exact right conditions are met and vaccinations somehow start to combine at a cellular level with the genetically altered food products being consumed.

You don't want to discuss facts you want to talk about "unknown effects". People just don't know how to discuss "unknown effects". So, instead of just spitting out what you think these "unknown effects" may be, you badger people for them to tell you what they think about it.

I'm going to go watch television. I think a zombie movie is on tonight.

"Again Nancy, you refuse to address the point here. But it may be beyond the scope of your expertise. You do not want to discuss the the unknown effects of GE virus and MLV, DNA splicing and the genetic recombination possibilities that may be shaping up in nature."

And just what IS YOUR point. You seem to jump from one thing to the next whenever you don't like someone's answer.

I am going to make one comment on this thread, the cost of that hamburger was over 3,000 to make it. That alone, will be prevention that this artificial crap never reaches the market. Wasting research monies that could be better utilized on fighting diseases or doing something really constructive.

No one wants artifical foods, go vegan rather than eat phoney artifical meats.

That is worse than synthetic marijuana. That deeply bothers me that some people are offered that synthetic MJ when the real stuff is way less harmful and far better.

What is wrong with the people running this country. They want to kill us, I am truely convinced of this because they are feeding us with artifical chemicals constantly which are bad for human consumption. The body can't rid itself that easy of all this artifical garbage. Margarine is unhealthy; butter is better.

Monsanto's Bt GMO corn to be sold at Wal-Mart with no indication it is genetically modified

Tuesday, February 21, 2012 by: Ethan A. Huff, staff writer

Most of the genetically-modified (GM) corn products forced on American consumers today are hidden in processed foods in the form of high-fructose corn syrup (HFC, corn oil, corn starch, and various other corn-based additives. But soon to be available at a Walmart near you is Monsanto's Bt sweet corn, the agri-giant's first ever GM corn product made available to consumers as whole ears right on the cob in the produce section-- and like with all other GMOs, neither Walmart nor Monsanto has any intention of labeling this new "Frankencorn."

Monsanto first unveiled this new variety of GM sweet corn back in August, which rivals Syngenta's GM sweet corn that has already been on the market in limited form for the past ten years, claiming that it would be available to farmers for planting during Fall 2011. Now, the corn appears set to make its debut in Walmart stores across the country as early as Summer 2012, unless massive public outcry is able to convince the multinational retailer to scrap the corn, or at least voluntarily label it.

This disturbing development comes courtesy of both Food & Water Watch and Sum Of Us, which recently drew attention to the issue by creating petitions against Walmart's potential sale of the corn. Though Monsanto's GM sweet corn contains three genetically-engineered (GE) traits that have never been used in food eaten directly by people, and that have never been properly tested, Walmart still intends to quietly stock its produce shelves with this phony corn in the very near future.

Whole Foods and Trader Joe's have rejected Monsanto's Bt corn, how about Wal-Mart?

In a recent campaign alert (http://sumofus.org/campaigns/walmart-monsanto/), Sum Of Us explains that immense consumer pressure has already resulted in commitments from Whole Foods Market, Trader Joe's, and General Mills not to use the new GM corn in any of their products. But as of the announcement, Walmart has made no such commitment, presumably because of the company's close-knit relationship with Monsanto, a "match made in hell" that Food & Water Watch has humorously dubbed "Walsanto" (https://www.facebook.com/WalsantoWatch?sk=info).

But there is still time to stop Walmart's stocking of Monsanto's latest GM poison which, if successful, has the potential to completely destroy the viability of the entire crop. If Walmart rejects the GM corn, many others will likely follow, which will result in farmers refusing to plant it.

It is a simple supply and demand situation, but one that is complicated by the fact that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) refuses to mandate that any GMOs be labeled,which means millions of people consume them all the time without knowing it. This is why YOUR help is needed to spread the truth about both GM sweet corn and GMOs in general to your friends, family members, neighbors, and coworkers.

Never say Never is my motto, here I go again, I did not know that about the corn and I do think the artifical meat will eventually be introduced to the public. It will be made cheaper because the first run is always costly, they learn to be economic in the production by offering up more cheaper synthetics.

I guess you have to shop at Trader Joe's and Whole Foods, at least you know what you are eating. Look how they pushed margarine in the beginning; that is very hard for the body to digest and eliminate. It stays in the body too long, butter like all natural foods is easily digested and eliminated... it all has to do with the chemical structure of the foods. Simple is better, the more complicated it gets to make it, the worse it is for human beings.

They definately don't want people living too long, kill them with food. It is easier and cheaper because they make profits doing it. Why have all these agencies in the federal govt. which do NOT protect us, I can see why Dr. Paul wants to dump a lot of them, what good are they? The FDA is muddled and not being honest.

Bill Gates and many behind these mega corporations like Monsanto have publically stated that we need a population reduction. Their words are out there and the meaning is not muddled.

The globalist want just enough of the masses left that they can more easily control. They prefer the younger live, so that they are productive comsumers and workers. The rest of us should die quietly, the sooner the better.

These foods and vaccines will insure that it is "sooner", just after our prime has been reached.

That's why they came up with amniocentisis to convince women who are having babies that are not normal to abort the fetus.

It is all a well organized plan of control and people who don't see it are being manipulated. That is what these media outlets do all day, manipulate and TV was the best tool. Now, they are using the internet and someday that will be monitored. It is only a matter of time.

The power behind the numbers of the masses is the only thing that they fear. Without our numbers, they have the upper hand.

Let see; they are in control of what we eat, they are in control of what we drink, they are in control of what we produce, they are in control of what we watch on media, they are in control of the drug companies, and they want total control over our health.

We are screwed unless we start doing something immediately.

Look, when someone like George Soros and mega corporations buy up grain silos and feed lots, we are in for more than a little bit of hell.

Won't it be a war of the Titans when all of these globalist get their wish and they only have each other to control?

The vaccines are a big issue too Praetorian. At one time, giving human vaccines was very spaced out. Now, they give the vaccines younger and all at once, shorter time-frames. Kids today have more darn allergies, asthma, earaches, it goes on and on.

This generation and few earlier ones don't have the stamina that older ones have.

that is why shows like The Walking Dead are popular. Subliminally, they are connecting with many people that we are becoming zombies and the few left behind to fight have a battle on their hands.

Not everyone in TV is on board with the brainwashing. There always will be the rebels but they do their messaging in total absurdity. I do KNOW there are plenty of people who see through it all and ridicule is the best tool to diminish those that are posing a threat.

I think it is the dream of youth to live eternally young and beautiful, never aging being omnipotent. It is fantasy. I love the song: Who Wants To Live Forever ... only a fool, a dead vampire who feeds on the living.

Young people believe in magical thinking and they learn as they get older, magik does not replace reality. I do find it alarming that there is way too much glamour on all this vampire thing. You really have to take a serious look who is behind it all.

Not all youth but way too many start romanticizing this stuff.

But, it is freedom of speech. teach values to the young first and the ones that have a strong family value system are not enamored with the Vampire cult. I do see it as a phase for many.

I also know some people take it seriously and there are real societies out there who practice this nonsense. But, hopefully they are few as it is looney tunes.

Talking vaccines, what about all teh vaccines they are putting into cats and dogs today, our pets. My old cat of 16 yrs. old is alive and kicking because I don't take her to the vets, a few time only. I don't take any of them, just the dogs.

The poor dogs never last more than 5 or 6 yrs. I wonder why and they get all the medical attention from the vets. What, do cats have longer life spans, oh yes I forgot the 9 lives of the felines.

Don't get me wrong, there are good vets and they do help injured and ill animals; but it is a business. Medicine is big business.

I don't mean to be all over the place but I can remember when someone posted how prisoners in MA correctional systems were getting transgendered by getting new hormone injections. Yes, true ... I was a nurse there giving them the drugs which were female hormones. They were test subjects, human guinea pigs. The state was not doing it to be kind to a male who wanted to be a female. the government is not that altruistic to anyone. It served their purpose; better testing on a human being than an animal.

They can under the Fourth Amendment, I looked it up. I gave the drugs in the years 1997- 2000 to transgender chemically males into females. I saw his breasts and the physical changes first-hand. He had to be kept in segregation because of his femininity.

I haven't found any statue yet but scientifically it has been questioned. I have been told by many in the pharmaceutical insdustry that they aren't allowed to anymore.

The idea (perhpas similar to the lack of credibility given to the testing done on Concentration camp prisoners by the Nazis) is that the consent is never truly completely consent as the prisoners are prisoners and may feel coerced.

As I said in another thread, this inmate was more than willing. He wanted to be a woman. I am now informed that bills are being passed to grant transgendering to prisoners who feel they are trapped into the wrong bodies now. Again, MA is the first state to allow this insanity.

They are inmates who broke the law, they transgressed against society, committed crimes. I guess they can be transgendered because that is why they were bad boys because they were born wrong, the wrong sex.... that is their excuse.