Here’s part of an interview with the President in Voxthat is pretty much along the lines of one of my “Core v. Fringe” election strategy articles, just discussed from the opposite partisan point of view. Obama tells Ezra Klein that he’s not worried about a backlash against Democrats over attacks on whites such as Trayvon and Ferguson because he’s using immigration to frontlash America into more and more of a “a hodgepodge of folks,” and thus opponents will “have much less ability, I think, to express” dissenting views.

Ezra Klein: One of the powerful things that’s happened as polarization has increased politically is it’s begun structuring people’s other identities. The one I’m particularly interested in here is race. If you look back at polling around the OJ Simpson verdict or the Bernhard Goetz shooting in New York, Republicans and Democrats — you basically couldn’t tell them apart. Now you look at the Zimmerman verdict or you look at what’s going on in Ferguson, and opinion on racial issues is very sharply split by party. Do you worry about the merging of racial and partisan identity?

Barack Obama: I don’t worry about that, because I don’t think that’s going to last. I worry very much about the immediate consequences of mistrust between police and minority communities. I think there are things we can do to train our police force and make sure that everybody is being treated fairly. And the task force that I assigned after the Ferguson and New York cases is intended to produce very specific tools for us to deal with it.

But over the long term, I’m pretty optimistic, and the reason is because this country just becomes more and more of a hodgepodge of folks. Again, this is an example where things seem very polarized at the national level and media spotlight, but you go into communities — you know, one of the great things about being president is you travel through the entire country, and you go to Tennessee and it turns out that you’ve got this huge Kurdish community. And you go to some little town in Iowa and you see some Hasidic Jewish community,

I think Obama is trolling here. Ezra later picks up on Obama’s reference to one of the most flagrant hubs of illegal immigration.

and then you see a bunch of interracial black and white couples running around with their kids. And this is in these little farm communities, and you’ve got Latinos in the classroom when you visit the schools there. So people are getting more and more comfortable with the diversity of this country, much more sophisticated about both the cultural differences but more importantly, the basic commonality that we have. And, you know, the key is to make sure that our politics and our politicians are tapping into that better set of impulses rather than our baser fears.

Ezra Klein’s post-interview interjection: Specifically you see this in Postville, Iowa, where a Lubavitcher family’s purchase of a meat-processing plant in the late 1980s has led to the migration of a small community of Hasidim to the area.

Obvious iSteve Bait from Ezra. Postville has been a notorious example of fringe aggression against core Americans since the publication on 9/10/2001 (poor timing, I’ll grant) of Stephen G. Bloom’s book Postville:A Clash of Cultures in Heartland America. A Jewish college professor went to Postville to write a book about how bigoted small town Iowa people were to ultra-Orthodox Jews just because they were diverse, but wound up writing about how excessively nice Iowans were to the relentlessly un-neighborly and even criminal newcomers.

The Postville Raid was a raid at the Agriprocessors Inc. kosher slaughterhouse and meat packing plant in Postville, Iowa, USA, on May 12, 2008, executed by the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) division of the Department of Homeland Security together with other agencies. The raid was the largest single raid of a workplace in U.S. history until that date, and resulted in nearly 400 arrests of immigrant workers with false identity papers who were charged with identity theft, document fraud, use of stolen social security numbers, and related offenses. Some 300 workers were convicted on document fraud charges within four days. The majority served a five-month prison sentence before being deported.

Several employees and lower and middle level managers were indicted on charges of conspiracy to harbor illegal immigrants, aggravated identity theft, and child labor violations among others and were convicted, serving prison sentences between 60 days and 41 months. Neither the owner, Aaron Rubashkin, nor his sons Sholom and Heshy Rubashkin, who were in charge of the management of Agriprocessors, were convicted of immigration and labor law violations. Financial irregularities brought to light by the raid and subsequent investigations led to a conviction of the plant’s chief executive Sholom Rubashkin on bank fraud and related charges. He was sentenced to 27 years in prison, and his trial on immigration charges was canceled.

So, Postville symbolizes both immigration fraud and bank fraud.

The INS was going to raid Postville back in 2000, when it was still a small time illegal immigration hub, but the raid got scrubbed due to the election. Agents heard that the owners were friends with Senator Joe Lieberman and feared political blowback. So they let Postville metastasize for eight years.

Back to Obama:

Obama: And my gut tells me, and I’ve seen it in my own career and you see it generally, a politician who plays on those fears in America, I don’t think is going to over time get a lot of traction. Even, you know, it’s not a perfect analogy, but if you think about how rapidly the whole issue of the LGBT community and discrimination against gays and lesbians has shifted. The Republican party, even the most conservative, they have much less ability, I think, to express discriminatory views than they did even 10 years ago. And that’s a source of optimism. It makes me hopeful.

Obama is optimistic because freedom of expression is much more limited than even ten years ago.

Sometimes, not always, but sometimes, in rare moments of despair, I wonder whether there is any longer space for an old-style assimilationist that I am. I feel caught between the dominant and suffocating paradigm of “hodge-podge” multiculturalists who are constructing a world without a center on the one hand and on the other the increasingly embittered minority, but possibly growing number, of white nationalists who advocate a purist white ethno-state.

I know that does not capture the reality in its totality. I can see that from interacting with my family-by-marriage, my friends, my neighbors, and other community members. But on the ether of the internet and the blogosphere, there seems to this binary, Manichean construct of either hodge-podgism or racial fundamentalism.

So I find Mr. Sailer’s “citizenism” refreshing in a “retro” sort of way, founded upon an HBD/race realist foundation but also gentlemanly and hopeful at the same time. May it be the future again.

Before I heard of Steve or citizenism, I was already thinking along the thought process. More of a patriotic: America, yeehaw, love it or leave it mentality. If immigrants can find the gumption to leave their own for a new one, then they should also be able to adopt their new homes cultural ways. First generation immigrants see it that way because they want to make a better life for their children (or so we are told by Authorities on the subject).

America doesn't work that way. Not on the ground level of 2nd-3rd generation immigrants hitting their IQ levels and flat-lining against the other ethnic groups, or the clannish us-against-the-world types, or the lost-identity types who merge into the vacuum of multicultural excess encouraged by college campuses across the nation. Besides, it's cool to "just be yourself" which is code for be Black and Proud, or Mexican and Proud, or... yadda, yadda, yadda. Why conform? Every opportunity and hand up is given to you just because you aren't white. Who wouldn't take that deal? (besides most blacks)

Now asking those people above to agree with Steve's citizenism, the idea that we can all be in on an immigration restriction platform together because we are already here, is a reach. Especially when the main point of coming to the US is to get settled... and then bring in the rest of the family on technicalities and "reuniting" the family tropes. They're in, and they want to bring Mom, Dad, Sis, Bro, Auntie, Uncle, Gramma, 2nd cousin once removed, and....

My ideal state would be a 90% majority white country, with a healthy paternal tolerance towards the 10% minority. That is about as stable as a nation can get without being 100% homogeneous.

But since we slipping down from 90... to 80... to the 77% white we are at now... then it will be 60... then 50%. Obama can expect that folks are just becoming more tolerant, but he admitted that people aren't able to express those views as openly as they were just 10 years ago. So is the tolerance going up or is the megaphone against dissent getting louder? And if you look at the political opinions of most whites are most "conservative" they are usually located to heavy minority areas. One expects that as whites become a smaller share of the population and their daily encounters with minorities increases from 1 in 4 to 1 in 2, then what? Does the megaphone go full blast if they start to speak out against the Latin Americanization of their country (which from the standpoint of a White Westerner, is a step down, not a step up, the ladder of politics)?

Citizenism might have worked if the immigrant population was stabilized in 1990. Now? Not a chance. Immigration and birth rates have already inexorably altered the demographic trajectory towards a white plurality, decline. White Nationalism seems like the only viable option left on the table, that is if you're not willing to SNL skit-it-up and "hand it on over to Mexicans".

Citizenism is quite compatible with a Chinese Colonization of Montanna and Idaho(which has already started)...which of course I reject and will oppose.

Moreover, "Citizenism" is also quite compatible with a 10-30 year waiting list to get into the Adirondacks..waiting behind the Chung Family...the Singh Family...and the Patel Family on the NYS Throughway that has become a giant parking lot...I reject this also.

"As an Asian male I'm worried that whites will reject all people...including wonderfully genteel people like myself who aren't troublemakers...because that would be bad for me because then I would not get to take part in a white society and white economic system"

Your post was nothing but self-interest. If your children are mixed race then that frankly is your own fault and you should have thought ahead and gone through multiple future scenarios in your mind before picking a marriage partner.

My advice? Pick a side and stick with it.

Whites...even ultra-nationalist whites...are the most tolerant people on the planet. If I knew there was an Asian male who said "I support you...I don't want Asian women marrying your men and your men marrying my Asian women and we will unite in this common bond of protecting borders...even if that means I and my progeny would have to live amongst....*gasp* other Asians...I am fine with that" I'd be much more inclined to make exceptions here and there for people I know post no threat to my world view.

You either believe in culture and nations or you don't. You either believe Chinese should be living in China or you don't. There is no Grey Area.

It's not my problem as a white person if quite a few Asian people don't want to live in Asia...and Even Worse...Don't Want To Fight to Make Asia a better, more Liveable Place.

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“and then you see a bunch of interracial black and white couples running around with their kids. And this is in these little farm communities, and you’ve got Latinos in the classroom when you visit the schools there.”

This is true. I see it all over even in affluent white communities. White women surrender their wombs to blacks, and white boys have accepted their wimp status.

Look at grammy’s.

Kanye struts around as he pleases and white guys just pee in their pants.

White guys are gutless and spineless. And white women worship the Negro. It’s game over. Really.

Probably not correct, the 40% figure. Anecdotal, though, my best friend growing up, in Mission Viejo, his father was an exec with Hertz In late 70s-early 80s, and had a biz relationship with The Juice. Speaking to them before the trial started, they were shocked that I thought OJ was guilty. I too was shocked that they (conservatives, Rs) believed Orenthal's bullshit.

I think it suits Obama's chaotic, rootless background- from the mother who kept him in an ethereal, anthropology experiment zone, the fathers who weren't fathers, the constant movement, the identity and name shifts, the tranny babysitter, down to the ersatz "blackness" that finally grounded him in something.

This is why I say even if you’re indifferent towards gay marriage, if you’re a conservative you should act against it. It will be used in the years to come to justify a whole range of issues the Left throws out. Gay marriage to the Left is more than just allowing gays to marry but it’s about destabilizing the state.

This is why I say even if you’re indifferent towards gay marriage, if you’re a conservative you should act against it. It will be used in the years to come to justify a whole range of issues the Left throws out. Gay marriage to the Left is more than just allowing gays to marry but it’s about destabilizing the state.

This, this, this. I would go further and say that no man of the right--socon, libertarian, warhawk, or citizenist--should be indifferent towards SSM. It's the greatest statist power grab in history: a few black-robed figures with the help of a couple of black-skinned lawyers (Obama and Holder) basically overthrew the millennial order that was established in Roman law, canon law, the civil law, and the common law and worked out over 20 centuries. While I am a religious man, I have never argued that SSM is a religious issue. It is rather a legal revolution practically unparallelled.

There was a profound comment here at iSteve a couple of months ago in which the commenter (I wish I could credit him) said something like: Two decades ago there were probably no more than 5,000 people (lawyers, academics, journalists--apart from homosexuals) who actively supported SSM. In the blink of eye, they upended centuries-old principles of family law. The commenter went on to note that there is now obviously no principle that is immune to this kind of elite manipulation. If perpetual revolution and "destabilizing the state" is your goal, there is your model. For advocates of ordered liberty, there is your enemy.

There is mistrust between the police and minority communities. Solution: train the police. More. There can be no expectations on the minority community. And appoint a task force. Then talk about interracial couples; and immigrants.

There is mistrust between the police and minority communities. Solution: train the police. More.

Classic leftist response: more training, more education, more rules. Classic re-education camp response. Leftists believe in the blank slate theory of human development--all nurture, no nature. In the future, everything not prohibited will be mandatory.

Notice how it doesn't work very well as humans aren't particularly malleable. But doubling down on re-education they must.

That makes one of you. I think he’s a puerile, resentful jerk who believes this stuff. The fact he sat in, and tithed to, Rev Wright’s ‘church’ all those years lends credence to that view. As do the numerous instances of his racially demagogic rhetoric — most notably re Trayvon Martin and Ferguson of course. Not to mention his DOJ appointments. Also not to mention sending White House representation to Michael Brown’s funeral (after the release of the convenience store video) — or maybe you don’t believe Obama was fully approving of that?

Sometimes, not always, but sometimes, in rare moments of despair, I wonder whether there is any longer space for an old-style assimilationist that I am. I feel caught between the dominant and suffocating paradigm of "hodge-podge" multiculturalists who are constructing a world without a center on the one hand and on the other the increasingly embittered minority, but possibly growing number, of white nationalists who advocate a purist white ethno-state.

I know that does not capture the reality in its totality. I can see that from interacting with my family-by-marriage, my friends, my neighbors, and other community members. But on the ether of the internet and the blogosphere, there seems to this binary, Manichean construct of either hodge-podgism or racial fundamentalism.

So I find Mr. Sailer's "citizenism" refreshing in a "retro" sort of way, founded upon an HBD/race realist foundation but also gentlemanly and hopeful at the same time. May it be the future again.

Before I heard of Steve or citizenism, I was already thinking along the thought process. More of a patriotic: America, yeehaw, love it or leave it mentality. If immigrants can find the gumption to leave their own for a new one, then they should also be able to adopt their new homes cultural ways. First generation immigrants see it that way because they want to make a better life for their children (or so we are told by Authorities on the subject).

America doesn’t work that way. Not on the ground level of 2nd-3rd generation immigrants hitting their IQ levels and flat-lining against the other ethnic groups, or the clannish us-against-the-world types, or the lost-identity types who merge into the vacuum of multicultural excess encouraged by college campuses across the nation. Besides, it’s cool to “just be yourself” which is code for be Black and Proud, or Mexican and Proud, or… yadda, yadda, yadda. Why conform? Every opportunity and hand up is given to you just because you aren’t white. Who wouldn’t take that deal? (besides most blacks)

Now asking those people above to agree with Steve’s citizenism, the idea that we can all be in on an immigration restriction platform together because we are already here, is a reach. Especially when the main point of coming to the US is to get settled… and then bring in the rest of the family on technicalities and “reuniting” the family tropes. They’re in, and they want to bring Mom, Dad, Sis, Bro, Auntie, Uncle, Gramma, 2nd cousin once removed, and….

My ideal state would be a 90% majority white country, with a healthy paternal tolerance towards the 10% minority. That is about as stable as a nation can get without being 100% homogeneous.

But since we slipping down from 90… to 80… to the 77% white we are at now… then it will be 60… then 50%. Obama can expect that folks are just becoming more tolerant, but he admitted that people aren’t able to express those views as openly as they were just 10 years ago. So is the tolerance going up or is the megaphone against dissent getting louder? And if you look at the political opinions of most whites are most “conservative” they are usually located to heavy minority areas. One expects that as whites become a smaller share of the population and their daily encounters with minorities increases from 1 in 4 to 1 in 2, then what? Does the megaphone go full blast if they start to speak out against the Latin Americanization of their country (which from the standpoint of a White Westerner, is a step down, not a step up, the ladder of politics)?

Citizenism might have worked if the immigrant population was stabilized in 1990. Now? Not a chance. Immigration and birth rates have already inexorably altered the demographic trajectory towards a white plurality, decline. White Nationalism seems like the only viable option left on the table, that is if you’re not willing to SNL skit-it-up and “hand it on over to Mexicans”.

Sometimes, not always, but sometimes, in rare moments of despair, I wonder whether there is any longer space for an old-style assimilationist that I am. I feel caught between the dominant and suffocating paradigm of "hodge-podge" multiculturalists who are constructing a world without a center on the one hand and on the other the increasingly embittered minority, but possibly growing number, of white nationalists who advocate a purist white ethno-state.

I know that does not capture the reality in its totality. I can see that from interacting with my family-by-marriage, my friends, my neighbors, and other community members. But on the ether of the internet and the blogosphere, there seems to this binary, Manichean construct of either hodge-podgism or racial fundamentalism.

So I find Mr. Sailer's "citizenism" refreshing in a "retro" sort of way, founded upon an HBD/race realist foundation but also gentlemanly and hopeful at the same time. May it be the future again.

As a whole, I think they would be a lot harder to assimilate than people from other cultures with a greater affinity to the traditional Christian American culture. But, I would think that a few among them might work out well enough. Surely you can design an objective filtering mechanism in the immigration system to select for such few folks among them.

I don't think it would be hard to design and implement a set of objective criteria that, via the natural selection of race realism, would filter out the kind of people who would not assimilate well or easily. And, of course, assimilation requires a limit on the numbers admitted during a given time frame, qualified or not.

Heck, even enforcing the current laws on the books strenuously would do a world of good: http://cis.org/node/5882

I think there is a rather large space between that and a purist white ethno-state, which has never existed in history.

Columbians are from a civilization that's an offshoot of Western Christendom. Their racial mix is way, way more Amerindian that in the US. Half the population mestizo according to Wikipedia demographics. Probably a similar proportion to the US of African. But a significant minority of "whites"--folks who are mostly white and self-identify as whites. This will on the whole be a lower IQ population than the US, but i'd venture superior in IQ to the typical Mexican mestizo immigrant we're getting.

Somalis on the other hand are a bottom of the barrel population from hostile tribal cultures, practicing the religion of Western Christendom's historic enemy civilization--Islam. They are a flat out racial, cultural, civilizational debacle. And it shows. Wherever they go--and the hodge-podgization program is to use them to "diversify" (i.e. destabilize) whitopias--they wreck the joint.

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Note, i'm not advocating importing Colombians.

The simple approach that would seem like a political winner for citizenists is "immigration moratorium". Say "We have enough people". Challenge opponents with "How overpopulated do you want the country to be?" "You want 400m--mid century? Half a billion?--before the end of the century, before our kids lives are over." "Do you want us to be like India? China?" "Will life be better for our kids in that America? ... Or a hell of a lot worse".

I'm simply saying while i don't want either to come, i can tell the difference between Colombians and Somalis.

As a whole, I think they would be a lot harder to assimilate than people from other cultures with a greater affinity to the traditional Christian American culture. But, I would think that a few among them might work out well enough. Surely you can design an objective filtering mechanism in the immigration system to select for such few folks among them.

I don’t think it would be hard to design and implement a set of objective criteria that, via the natural selection of race realism, would filter out the kind of people who would not assimilate well or easily. And, of course, assimilation requires a limit on the numbers admitted during a given time frame, qualified or not.

There were plenty of pure white countries in Europe before World War 2 or so, simply because racial/cultural contact hadn't even occurred.

Of course, they were worried about other kinds of 'diversity'...

I actually agree we could probably assimilate people if we tried harder--we did it 100 years ago. But nobody's interested anymore.

I doubt the white nationalist thing is going to gain much traction outside of the Internet, personally. The public face is still the toothless Klansman in the trailer park. (Yes, my odious relatives in the media have a lot to do with that, but it is the reality now.) Not going to encourage a lot of high-end whites--they prefer to just use money to wall themselves off from undesirables.

As for the middle and working classes, they don't have the wherewithal/money to move, and so our new rough beast of a country slouches toward Brazil to be born. Income inequality hurts normal people much more than it annoys leftoids--when the rich have all the money, they can buy politicians and get what they want.

"But, I would think that a few among them might work out well enough. Surely you can design an objective filtering mechanism in the immigration system to select for such few folks among them."

Why bother? For every single one of the few that might work out well enough if you went to the extreme trouble to "design an objective filtering mechanism to select out those few folks," there is a smart White young lad withering in the hinterlands.

Far better to spend those bucks and that political effort upgrading, say, University of North Dakota, so that the smart White American Homer-Hickam-Rocket-Boys types can give us back the space-faring America we used to have.

Just like the vapid commentator who was certain that CO2 does not cause global warming, with the chorus of amens that a cold week in NY disproves climate trends, we have people concluding that any proportion of whites less than x% guarantees the ruin of us all. All these beliefs share a fundamental ignorance of dynamics.

The POTUS is setting the stage for purges, but he forgets that the tribe of northern Europeans possess the most complete skills sets for organization, adaptation, and fulfillment. All they require is a cause. All things being equal, the tribe with plurality wins, but all things are not equal.

"...the vapid commentator who was certain that CO2 does not cause global warming, ..."

Even if you are a climate scientist, I must tell you that I prefer to look at the ice cores from Antarctica, which show that CO2 levels lag behind increasing temperatures, again and again, through aeons of Earth's history.

I suggest you not swallow a complex model too easily, not only because you don't understand it, but also because its very proponents in the specialized scientific field cannot claim to have a grip on the massive complexity of the system. That's a convoluted way of saying you don't undertand it, and neither do they.

I prefer to look at real data. That is a more certain part of science: a thing called observation.

CO2 lags behind temperature. Fact.

Current global warming: also Fact. So don't lump me with those who think it's not happening.

Correlation does not mean causation. Man's present contributions to CO2 are a correlation, not a cause.

Productivity gains and wages stagnate. What we need is full unemployment.

“The aspiration to go backwards or forwards to a life without work is evident in every serious social or cultural history of pre-industrial Europe, among them M. Dorothy George’s *England* In* *Transition* and Peter Burke’s *Popular**Culture**in**Early**Modern**Europe*. Also pertinent is Daniel Bell’s essay, “Work and its Discontents,” the first text, I believe, to refer to the “revolt against work” in so many words and, had it been understood, an important correction to the complacency ordinarily associated with the volume in which it was collected, *The**End**of**Ideology*. Neither critics nor celebrants have noticed that Bell’s end-of-ideology thesis signaled not the end of social unrest but the beginning of a new, uncharted phase unconstrained and uninformed by ideology. It was Seymour Lipset (in *Political**Man*), not Bell, who announced at the same time that “the fundamental problems of the Industrial Revolution have been solved,” only a few years before the post- or meta-industrial discontents of college students drove Lipset from UC Berkeley to the relative (and temporary) tranquility of Harvard.” Abolition of Work

“State control of the economy is no solution. Work is, if anything, more dangerous in the state-socialist countries than it is here. Thousands of Russian workers were killed or injured building the Moscow subway. Stories reverberate about covered-up Soviet nuclear disasters which make Times Beach and Three-Mile Island look like elementary-school air-raid drills. On the other hand, deregulation, currently fashionable, won’t help and will probably hurt. From a health and safety standpoint, among others, work was at its worst in the days when the economy most closely approximated laissez-faire.” http://www.primitivism.com/abolition.htm

It takes the national guard in Venezuela just to market sugar. Delivery requires military heavy lift capability.

As a whole, I think they would be a lot harder to assimilate than people from other cultures with a greater affinity to the traditional Christian American culture. But, I would think that a few among them might work out well enough. Surely you can design an objective filtering mechanism in the immigration system to select for such few folks among them.

I don't think it would be hard to design and implement a set of objective criteria that, via the natural selection of race realism, would filter out the kind of people who would not assimilate well or easily. And, of course, assimilation requires a limit on the numbers admitted during a given time frame, qualified or not.

Heck, even enforcing the current laws on the books strenuously would do a world of good: http://cis.org/node/5882

I think there is a rather large space between that and a purist white ethno-state, which has never existed in history.

There were plenty of pure white countries in Europe before World War 2 or so, simply because racial/cultural contact hadn’t even occurred.

Of course, they were worried about other kinds of ‘diversity’…

I actually agree we could probably assimilate people if we tried harder–we did it 100 years ago. But nobody’s interested anymore.

I doubt the white nationalist thing is going to gain much traction outside of the Internet, personally. The public face is still the toothless Klansman in the trailer park. (Yes, my odious relatives in the media have a lot to do with that, but it is the reality now.) Not going to encourage a lot of high-end whites–they prefer to just use money to wall themselves off from undesirables.

As for the middle and working classes, they don’t have the wherewithal/money to move, and so our new rough beast of a country slouches toward Brazil to be born. Income inequality hurts normal people much more than it annoys leftoids–when the rich have all the money, they can buy politicians and get what they want.

I think there are things we can do to train our police force and make sure that everybody is being treated fairly. And the task force that I assigned after the Ferguson and New York cases is intended to produce very specific tools for us to deal with it.

Obama just spiked the football in the face of the American core. He was elected twice, he won, and we are all on the long slow train to Postville.

Or, as Steve put it, Obama is trolling. In fact, there seems to be a pretty widespread effort on the part of our evil elite to provoke a white backlash right now. They keep throwing up these ludicrous race hoaxes one after another. Why?

On the one hand it’s remarkable that a head of state would say such things and on the other hand it makes perfect sense. It makes sense for President Obama to say such things because these are some of the core projects of our progressive establishment. Obama himself is a fulfilment of these projects. What we’re seeing here is both remarkable and entirely predictable. What Obama says is what liberal-progressives in well-financed and well-connected institutions were discussing 60 years ago and what they’ve been beavering away at ever since: “if you will it, it is no dream”.

Looking at it from the perspective of a liberal-progressive in, say, 1960, having President Barack Hussein Obama II make such assertions in an interview published electronically in the year 2015 would make perfect sense and be right and good. It’d be no more disturbing to that member of the Ford Foundation’s “brightest and best” to learn of such things in the year 1960 than it would be for the ground crew at Heathrow to learn the British Airways flight they prepped had arrived safely and on time at O’Hare.

Only Russia and Islam are failing to fall into line and get “on the right side of history”. I don’t think our governing class of degenerated technocrats quite get what a hornet’s nest they’ve kicked over in Russia…

Only Russia and Islam are failing to fall into line and get “on the right side of history”. I don’t think our governing class of degenerated technocrats quite get what a hornet’s nest they’ve kicked over in Russia…

I hate to admit it, but every day I get up eager to read about Russia's advance into Ukrainian territory. Putin's not a nice guy, and I hate the destruction and civilian toll, but seeing the US national surveillance/defense/high finance/globalist complex take a hit is fucking delicious.

as I have been saying for years, the elite strategy is to create divisions/factions within each voting district. By maximizing factions within each voting district, the common interest decreases, the public will becomes diffused and weakened. What is a voting district? The USA votes for the president; a state votes for governor, senator, a congressional district votes for a congressman, a county votes for commissioners, cities for mayors, etc.

As heterogeneity increases (or as obama puts it, each district becomes more of a hodgepodge), factions increase, and the shared common interest decreases, and the majority is less able to impose its will on the government.

This is the Divide Et Impera strategy. It was the basis of the creation of the USA from the several states. Increase district size, and factions increase. The mega-corporations did the same thing with the EU, creating it from several nations and thus increasing district size.

One question here is whether obama was able to discern this idea himself or was taught it in Harvard (it is my understanding that the ivy league/elite colleges do overtly teach the divide et impera history/tactic), or whether he has been advised of this mechanism while president. The president is of course advised by many think tanks etc, who have PhDs etc who are very much aware of this crucial divide et impera strategy.

As obama implies above, racial integration combined with mass immigration makes the USA more heterogeneous (more of a hodgepodge), and, as obama implies, the white majority will be less able to impose its will on the USA.

It's also the opposite of homogenization. I wonder what hodgepodgidized milk would taste like -- and if it would be kosher enough to drink in Postville.

I think it suits Obama’s chaotic, rootless background- from the mother who kept him in an ethereal, anthropology experiment zone, the fathers who weren’t fathers, the constant movement, the identity and name shifts, the tranny babysitter, down to the ersatz “blackness” that finally grounded him in something.

you know, one of the great things about being president is you travel through the entire country, and you go to Tennessee and it turns out that you’ve got this huge Kurdish community. And you go to some little town in Iowa and you see some Hasidic Jewish community…

This is actually the “white” side of Obama, if there’s any sincerity to it. Only lib whites find such raw juxtapositions charming. Only people like that find a bunch of cell phone stores, tabacco outlets, and ethnic markets along a dreary stretch of Hickory Parkway in Nashville soul stirring. If such places were still being populated by downscale whites and blacks, they (and a lot of alt righters, as Anti Gnostic notices) would find it trashy.

Back in the Civil Rights demonstration days in the 60s there were these chants the black crowds would say:

2-4-6-8 Now’s the time to integrate
8-6-4-2 We gonna go to school with you

So now Obama trolls whites with a newer more updated version

2-4-6-8 We gonna let them immigrate
8-6-4-2 Soon there’ll be more of us than you

Taki had an article about Mexican-Black turf wars.

Once I had gone to this sort of hip hop club in Denver of all places. It was over near the old rail yards that were slowly being gentrified into the SWPL heaven it is today. But back then it was on the border of Mexican and Black regions of Denver. So the club had a mix of the two minorities.

And it had a small army of security. The front door had 5 to 6 big bouncers working it. There were 5 big guys standing on the small stage where the DJ was set up watching the dance floor like hawks. And they weren’t lackadaisical about it. It was as if they were lifeguards staring at a pool of three year olds. They expected something to break out at any minute.

The black guy I was with pointed it out, he said it was always the case where ever Blacks and Mexicans had to co-habit the same space. They will fight in a minute and each different group had no qualms about jumping in to support one of their own regardless of fault.

So I wish Obama and all Blacks good luck when the majority is not a bunch of descendants of Manorial outbreeding altruistic whites but rather a bunch of clannish competitors who the thought police overlooked in enforcing the wonderful benefits of diversity and actually have thoughts like
“Diversity + Proximity=War”.

Before I heard of Steve or citizenism, I was already thinking along the thought process. More of a patriotic: America, yeehaw, love it or leave it mentality. If immigrants can find the gumption to leave their own for a new one, then they should also be able to adopt their new homes cultural ways. First generation immigrants see it that way because they want to make a better life for their children (or so we are told by Authorities on the subject).

America doesn't work that way. Not on the ground level of 2nd-3rd generation immigrants hitting their IQ levels and flat-lining against the other ethnic groups, or the clannish us-against-the-world types, or the lost-identity types who merge into the vacuum of multicultural excess encouraged by college campuses across the nation. Besides, it's cool to "just be yourself" which is code for be Black and Proud, or Mexican and Proud, or... yadda, yadda, yadda. Why conform? Every opportunity and hand up is given to you just because you aren't white. Who wouldn't take that deal? (besides most blacks)

Now asking those people above to agree with Steve's citizenism, the idea that we can all be in on an immigration restriction platform together because we are already here, is a reach. Especially when the main point of coming to the US is to get settled... and then bring in the rest of the family on technicalities and "reuniting" the family tropes. They're in, and they want to bring Mom, Dad, Sis, Bro, Auntie, Uncle, Gramma, 2nd cousin once removed, and....

My ideal state would be a 90% majority white country, with a healthy paternal tolerance towards the 10% minority. That is about as stable as a nation can get without being 100% homogeneous.

But since we slipping down from 90... to 80... to the 77% white we are at now... then it will be 60... then 50%. Obama can expect that folks are just becoming more tolerant, but he admitted that people aren't able to express those views as openly as they were just 10 years ago. So is the tolerance going up or is the megaphone against dissent getting louder? And if you look at the political opinions of most whites are most "conservative" they are usually located to heavy minority areas. One expects that as whites become a smaller share of the population and their daily encounters with minorities increases from 1 in 4 to 1 in 2, then what? Does the megaphone go full blast if they start to speak out against the Latin Americanization of their country (which from the standpoint of a White Westerner, is a step down, not a step up, the ladder of politics)?

Citizenism might have worked if the immigrant population was stabilized in 1990. Now? Not a chance. Immigration and birth rates have already inexorably altered the demographic trajectory towards a white plurality, decline. White Nationalism seems like the only viable option left on the table, that is if you're not willing to SNL skit-it-up and "hand it on over to Mexicans".

But since we slipping down from 90… to 80… to the 77% white we are at now…

That 77% figure is bogus propaganda; it includes more than 80% of the country’s Hispanics, of whom maybe 5% are White.

The real percentage of Whites in this country is in the low 60′s (63% according to the Census Bureau in 2013) and lower still after you subtract out MENAs.

Before I heard of Steve or citizenism, I was already thinking along the thought process. More of a patriotic: America, yeehaw, love it or leave it mentality. If immigrants can find the gumption to leave their own for a new one, then they should also be able to adopt their new homes cultural ways. First generation immigrants see it that way because they want to make a better life for their children (or so we are told by Authorities on the subject).

America doesn't work that way. Not on the ground level of 2nd-3rd generation immigrants hitting their IQ levels and flat-lining against the other ethnic groups, or the clannish us-against-the-world types, or the lost-identity types who merge into the vacuum of multicultural excess encouraged by college campuses across the nation. Besides, it's cool to "just be yourself" which is code for be Black and Proud, or Mexican and Proud, or... yadda, yadda, yadda. Why conform? Every opportunity and hand up is given to you just because you aren't white. Who wouldn't take that deal? (besides most blacks)

Now asking those people above to agree with Steve's citizenism, the idea that we can all be in on an immigration restriction platform together because we are already here, is a reach. Especially when the main point of coming to the US is to get settled... and then bring in the rest of the family on technicalities and "reuniting" the family tropes. They're in, and they want to bring Mom, Dad, Sis, Bro, Auntie, Uncle, Gramma, 2nd cousin once removed, and....

My ideal state would be a 90% majority white country, with a healthy paternal tolerance towards the 10% minority. That is about as stable as a nation can get without being 100% homogeneous.

But since we slipping down from 90... to 80... to the 77% white we are at now... then it will be 60... then 50%. Obama can expect that folks are just becoming more tolerant, but he admitted that people aren't able to express those views as openly as they were just 10 years ago. So is the tolerance going up or is the megaphone against dissent getting louder? And if you look at the political opinions of most whites are most "conservative" they are usually located to heavy minority areas. One expects that as whites become a smaller share of the population and their daily encounters with minorities increases from 1 in 4 to 1 in 2, then what? Does the megaphone go full blast if they start to speak out against the Latin Americanization of their country (which from the standpoint of a White Westerner, is a step down, not a step up, the ladder of politics)?

Citizenism might have worked if the immigrant population was stabilized in 1990. Now? Not a chance. Immigration and birth rates have already inexorably altered the demographic trajectory towards a white plurality, decline. White Nationalism seems like the only viable option left on the table, that is if you're not willing to SNL skit-it-up and "hand it on over to Mexicans".

Sometimes, not always, but sometimes, in rare moments of despair, I wonder whether there is any longer space for an old-style assimilationist that I am. I feel caught between the dominant and suffocating paradigm of "hodge-podge" multiculturalists who are constructing a world without a center on the one hand and on the other the increasingly embittered minority, but possibly growing number, of white nationalists who advocate a purist white ethno-state.

I know that does not capture the reality in its totality. I can see that from interacting with my family-by-marriage, my friends, my neighbors, and other community members. But on the ether of the internet and the blogosphere, there seems to this binary, Manichean construct of either hodge-podgism or racial fundamentalism.

So I find Mr. Sailer's "citizenism" refreshing in a "retro" sort of way, founded upon an HBD/race realist foundation but also gentlemanly and hopeful at the same time. May it be the future again.

Citizenism is quite compatible with a Chinese Colonization of Montanna and Idaho(which has already started)…which of course I reject and will oppose.

Moreover, “Citizenism” is also quite compatible with a 10-30 year waiting list to get into the Adirondacks..waiting behind the Chung Family…the Singh Family…and the Patel Family on the NYS Throughway that has become a giant parking lot…I reject this also.

As a whole, I think they would be a lot harder to assimilate than people from other cultures with a greater affinity to the traditional Christian American culture. But, I would think that a few among them might work out well enough. Surely you can design an objective filtering mechanism in the immigration system to select for such few folks among them.

I don't think it would be hard to design and implement a set of objective criteria that, via the natural selection of race realism, would filter out the kind of people who would not assimilate well or easily. And, of course, assimilation requires a limit on the numbers admitted during a given time frame, qualified or not.

Heck, even enforcing the current laws on the books strenuously would do a world of good: http://cis.org/node/5882

I think there is a rather large space between that and a purist white ethno-state, which has never existed in history.

“But, I would think that a few among them might work out well enough. Surely you can design an objective filtering mechanism in the immigration system to select for such few folks among them.”

Why bother? For every single one of the few that might work out well enough if you went to the extreme trouble to “design an objective filtering mechanism to select out those few folks,” there is a smart White young lad withering in the hinterlands.

Far better to spend those bucks and that political effort upgrading, say, University of North Dakota, so that the smart White American Homer-Hickam-Rocket-Boys types can give us back the space-faring America we used to have.

Why bother? For every single one of the few that might work out well enough if you went to the extreme trouble to “design an objective filtering mechanism to select out those few folks,” there is a smart White young lad withering in the hinterlands.

Because the larger problem of smart young rural whites being discriminated by elite institutions on the Coasts is not going to be solved or worsened by a handful of smart Columbians becoming assimilated.

Furthermore, a restrictive, but smart/assimilative immigration system is more easily achieved legally and politically than a total ban on immigration or a white-only immigration. The latter two are near impossibilities. Surely you must know that?

If not, do tell how a total ban or a white-only immigration system can be achieved. Lay out the plans or at least map out a conceivable sequence of scenarios. Unless, of course, you imagine something like "The Day of the Rope," in which case we have nothing more to discuss.

Far better to spend those bucks and that political effort upgrading, say, University of North Dakota

Actually a smart immigration system would cost less than the current system, so would generate a net surplus that can be used for other domestic purposes.

But I don't think "upgrading" the University of North Dakota would solve the kind of problems you have in mind. Contrary to what you think, smart lads in the prairies don't "wither," they often go to high quality, if not elite, universities and end up doing upper middle class jobs either at home or, more lucratively, in coastal areas. Both coasts are full of smart young people from the prairies.

Now, if you mean the economic fates of average or below-average young whites, their woes are more domestic cultural and international economic (and, yes, I agree, worsened by the mass immigration) in origin. This is not the 1950's anymore. Europe has recovered and East Asia has been heavily modernized. Industrial capacity outside even those areas has grown greatly. The days when under-educated below average American workers can goof off at school and enjoy upper-middle class trappings are long gone and would have disappeared even without immigration (although, again, I do think that mass immigration has exacerbated that trend greatly, and I do wish for an end to such immigration).

I’m amazed at how ahistorical the dweebs at Vox are. There was a huge racial divide over the O.J. verdict, and since the vast majority of blacks are Democrats that must have created a significant partisan split. Just because you were 10 years old when something happened doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. The other day they ran some shocking news: a six-year-old film critics’ poll that named Citizen Kane the best movie of all time. I’m not kidding.

you know, one of the great things about being president is you travel through the entire country, and you go to Tennessee and it turns out that you’ve got this huge Kurdish community. And you go to some little town in Iowa and you see some Hasidic Jewish community...

This is actually the "white" side of Obama, if there's any sincerity to it. Only lib whites find such raw juxtapositions charming. Only people like that find a bunch of cell phone stores, tabacco outlets, and ethnic markets along a dreary stretch of Hickory Parkway in Nashville soul stirring. If such places were still being populated by downscale whites and blacks, they (and a lot of alt righters, as Anti Gnostic notices) would find it trashy.

If there were an economic theory of the "hodgepodge", it would go something like this: globocrud is phase 1; phase 2 is Men With Gold Chains; with some pluck and focus, you get to graduate to phase 3 as an Amy Chua Market Dominant Minority.

If there were an economic theory of the “hodgepodge”, it would go something like this: globocrud is phase 1; phase 2 is Men With Gold Chains; with some pluck and focus, you get to graduate to phase 3 as an Amy Chua Market Dominant Minority.

If there were an economic theory of the "hodgepodge", it would go something like this: globocrud is phase 1; phase 2 is Men With Gold Chains; with some pluck and focus, you get to graduate to phase 3 as an Amy Chua Market Dominant Minority.

In 2001 the great science fiction writer Thomas Disch wrote a hilarious story called “After Postville”:

“This town was dying, you know, when we came here,” the rebbe went on. “It was
moribund, almost bankrupt. Only the taxes we paid kept it alive. Our taxes
kept the schools open, though our children don’t attend them.”

“And how did you vote on the bond issues?”

“Oh, we were against more money for your football teams and uniforms and the
computers and hockey rink. You wrang all that out of us. Then, once the
Mexicans were here in force–Vloosh! the school budget soared into outer space
like a rocketship. There was no stopping the progress of Education then.”

“And who brought the Mexicans to Postville? Whose slaughterhouse gave them
jobs? Who built their trailer camps?”

The rebbe shrugged. “Who else? But who else, my little Eagle Scout, would do
the work? The jobs were there, but no one who grew up in Postville was hungry
enough to stoop so low. Eight dollars an hour wouldn’t do for a white man. But
Mexicans are very hungry, and there are millions of them. Do you think your
goyish meat-packers pay better wages?”

“Is that a question? Then the answer is yes. Poetic justice is always
enjoyable–for those not on the receiving end. Have the good citizens of
Postville merited a kinder fate by their love and charity, by the splendor of
their civilization, by the beauty and dignity of their public buildings? When
your ancestors took these lands from the Winnebagos or whatever tribe of
savages first lived here, was there a solemn pact to guarantee that their
children would hold these acreages forever and ever?”

So, in the early 1990s, when the Rubashkin family ran out of locals to work on the kill floor, Agriprocessors opted to hire Eastern European workers who had come to America in the aftermath of the breakup of the Soviet Union. When the Eastern European workers moved on — you work in a slaughterhouse only as long as you have to — who else was going to work for such low wages in such dangerous jobs?
Poor, uneducated Latinos. First Mexicans, then Guatemalans, then Hondurans, then practically anyone who’d show up, including Somalis and Palauans. No experience was necessary for a job that could cost you an arm and a leg — literally.
So, starting in the early and mid-1990s, the work force in Postville changed dramatically. Thousands of immigrants made their way to Postville. These workers, most of them undocumented, made the slaughterhouse hum. Without them, the kosher slaughterhouse probably would have closed years ago.
When I first started reporting on the Postville story, local kids often didn’t lock their bikes when they went into the general store to purchase an Icee. Drivers frequently didn’t use their turn signals, because everyone seemed to know where everyone else was headed. And getting stuck in traffic meant crawling behind a John Deere tractor on Main Street.
But the once flourishing, profit-driven slaughterhouse brought with it myriad problems, which ultimately turned Postville — and the quaint old notions about rural America — on its head. Life in Postville has been transformed since the kosher slaughterhouse opened in 1987, closed in the wake of the immigration raids and reopened recently, under new ownership.
These days, drugs are more readily available. Crime has risen. Dilapidated trailers and broken-down developments house immigrants who have no place to go. Many longtime locals who could move away have already done so.
Time was, among the only connections those in insular Postville had with the rest of the world were corn and hog prices, Hawkeye football and the three railroad trains that rolled through town daily.
That’s all changed. The slaughterhouse that Rubashkin built has all but ruined Postville.

The writer is really smirking through it all. I posted this a few days ago, but here's his long polemic against the state he's called "home" for two decades. Plenty of loathing for their "insularity". He sees the chaos of Postville something that Iowa needs to be given good and hard.

If only there was some sort of way the core people could think a couple of moves ahead of the fringe people on the chess board.

If the other side wants to elect a new people, we do away with elections.

countenance, the "other side" would like nothing better than to do away with elections; for that matter, so would "our" side. Elections are a huge pain in the ass. You don't think the dream of both Jeb and Hilary is to announce to the peasants that our betters have decreed their puppet as our new leader, so bow down? If they could puff white smoke out of a White House chimney to signal their decision while we all cheer, they'd do it in a second. We're all but there, now.

Republican representatives sailed into Congress on a massive wave of voter discontent with unlimited illegal immigration. What will come of it? If we actually had democracy in this country, if the will of the people actually mattered, you know as well as I do that the preventative measures to illegal immigration would be going full power. Instead, we have American citizens waiting months to get a driver's license, because DMVs are so overwhelmed with applications from illegals.

So, in the early 1990s, when the Rubashkin family ran out of locals to work on the kill floor, Agriprocessors opted to hire Eastern European workers who had come to America in the aftermath of the breakup of the Soviet Union. When the Eastern European workers moved on — you work in a slaughterhouse only as long as you have to — who else was going to work for such low wages in such dangerous jobs?
Poor, uneducated Latinos. First Mexicans, then Guatemalans, then Hondurans, then practically anyone who’d show up, including Somalis and Palauans. No experience was necessary for a job that could cost you an arm and a leg — literally.
So, starting in the early and mid-1990s, the work force in Postville changed dramatically. Thousands of immigrants made their way to Postville. These workers, most of them undocumented, made the slaughterhouse hum. Without them, the kosher slaughterhouse probably would have closed years ago.
When I first started reporting on the Postville story, local kids often didn’t lock their bikes when they went into the general store to purchase an Icee. Drivers frequently didn’t use their turn signals, because everyone seemed to know where everyone else was headed. And getting stuck in traffic meant crawling behind a John Deere tractor on Main Street.
But the once flourishing, profit-driven slaughterhouse brought with it myriad problems, which ultimately turned Postville — and the quaint old notions about rural America — on its head. Life in Postville has been transformed since the kosher slaughterhouse opened in 1987, closed in the wake of the immigration raids and reopened recently, under new ownership.
These days, drugs are more readily available. Crime has risen. Dilapidated trailers and broken-down developments house immigrants who have no place to go. Many longtime locals who could move away have already done so.
Time was, among the only connections those in insular Postville had with the rest of the world were corn and hog prices, Hawkeye football and the three railroad trains that rolled through town daily.
That’s all changed. The slaughterhouse that Rubashkin built has all but ruined Postville.

http://forward.com/articles/129098/postville-slaughterhouse-slum/

Sounds like the American future in miniature

The writer is really smirking through it all. I posted this a few days ago, but here’s his long polemic against the state he’s called “home” for two decades. Plenty of loathing for their “insularity”. He sees the chaos of Postville something that Iowa needs to be given good and hard.

Sometimes, not always, but sometimes, in rare moments of despair, I wonder whether there is any longer space for an old-style assimilationist that I am. I feel caught between the dominant and suffocating paradigm of "hodge-podge" multiculturalists who are constructing a world without a center on the one hand and on the other the increasingly embittered minority, but possibly growing number, of white nationalists who advocate a purist white ethno-state.

I know that does not capture the reality in its totality. I can see that from interacting with my family-by-marriage, my friends, my neighbors, and other community members. But on the ether of the internet and the blogosphere, there seems to this binary, Manichean construct of either hodge-podgism or racial fundamentalism.

So I find Mr. Sailer's "citizenism" refreshing in a "retro" sort of way, founded upon an HBD/race realist foundation but also gentlemanly and hopeful at the same time. May it be the future again.

Here here. That’s why one day they’ll build a statue of Steve looking ominously over the National Mall. I have a dream…

The writer is really smirking through it all. I posted this a few days ago, but here's his long polemic against the state he's called "home" for two decades. Plenty of loathing for their "insularity". He sees the chaos of Postville something that Iowa needs to be given good and hard.

The writer is really smirking through it all.

Sorry, but I don’t detect any smirking in his Pottsville article

I posted this a few days ago, but here’s his long polemic against the state he’s called “home” for two decades. Plenty of loathing for their “insularity”.

He’s definitely critical about some aspects of the state, but “loathing” seems a tad strong

He sees the chaos of Postville something that Iowa needs to be given good and hard.

Again, I don’t sense any pleasure in his article over what has befallen Pottsville.

I'm amazed at how ahistorical the dweebs at Vox are. There was a huge racial divide over the O.J. verdict, and since the vast majority of blacks are Democrats that must have created a significant partisan split. Just because you were 10 years old when something happened doesn't mean it didn't happen. The other day they ran some shocking news: a six-year-old film critics' poll that named Citizen Kane the best movie of all time. I'm not kidding.

“Life in Postville has been transformed since the kosher slaughterhouse opened in 1987, closed in the wake of the immigration raids and reopened recently, under new ownership. These days, drugs are more readily available. Crime has risen. Dilapidated trailers and broken-down developments house immigrants who have no place to go.”

Wow. Well thank God the locals had the Rubashkins to save them. Just think, without the Rubashkins the place would’ve turned into a virtual ghost town and the locals would’ve had to move away to some Third World hellhole, like Omaha. But praise be to the Rubsashkins – they brought the Third World hellhole to Postville.

Postville is a metaphor for America – a town built from the ground up by Protestant Europeans, then, uh, non-Protestant Europeans move in, decide the locals aren’t cheap enough labor, flood the town with every sort of immigrant under the sun, suck the town dry, then move away, tossing the ruined town over their shoulders like an empty beer can, with wads of cash stuffed in their pockets, the profits of decades worth of financial fraud.

Back in the day – i.e., the 1800s – if some family like the Rubashkins had tried doing that to a town like Postville, denying locals decent paying jobs and flooding the town with cheap foreign workers, they and their workers would’ve been run of a town on a rail – under the best of circumstances. But modern telecommunications, media, and transportation, plus an overbearing nation-state means that the billionaires in the financial centers of D.C., New York, San Francisco, Chicago, and Los Angeles are very good at protecting their own wealth while ensuring that people in places like Postville can do absolutely nothing to protect theirs.

“Several employees and lower and middle level managers were indicted on charges of conspiracy to harbor illegal immigrants, aggravated identity theft, and child labor violations among others and were convicted, serving prison sentences between 60 days and 41 months. Neither the owner, Aaron Rubashkin, nor his sons Sholom and Heshy Rubashkin, who were in charge of the management of Agriprocessors, were convicted…”

“So, Postville symbolizes both immigration fraud and bank fraud.”

It also symbolizes the war by those on top against those beneath them – the lower level people were sent to jail, but those at the top – who had to have known – received no punishment at all, like all those Wall Street CEOs who wrecked the economy and kept their bonuses.

When those at the top do suffer any sort of consequences – like Sen. Bob Bennett getting thrown out of office – the elite go into hysterics.

Never heard this before. Hard to connect the dots between Klan and Harding. Harding, who may have had Negro relatives, Republican (party of Lincoln), from Ohio. Opponent, James M Cox, Democrat (party of the old and reconstituted Klan), supporter of Woodrow Wilson. Woodrow Wilson, rayciss, put his stamp of approval on Birth of a Nation. Birth of a Nation, inspiration for William J Simmons' reconstitution of the Klan. Reconstituted Klan, promised to defend the nation during WW1 against the usual suspects, but also against among other things, "bootleggers, graft, unfair business deals, sex and scandals". Warren Gameliel Harding's presidential legacy, "bootlegging, graft, unfair business, sex and scandals." Don't see the connection, give references.

Just like the vapid commentator who was certain that CO2 does not cause global warming, with the chorus of amens that a cold week in NY disproves climate trends, we have people concluding that any proportion of whites less than x% guarantees the ruin of us all. All these beliefs share a fundamental ignorance of dynamics.

The POTUS is setting the stage for purges, but he forgets that the tribe of northern Europeans possess the most complete skills sets for organization, adaptation, and fulfillment. All they require is a cause. All things being equal, the tribe with plurality wins, but all things are not equal.

Read Fred Reed's latest and ponder his closing.

“…the vapid commentator who was certain that CO2 does not cause global warming, …”

Even if you are a climate scientist, I must tell you that I prefer to look at the ice cores from Antarctica, which show that CO2 levels lag behind increasing temperatures, again and again, through aeons of Earth’s history.

I suggest you not swallow a complex model too easily, not only because you don’t understand it, but also because its very proponents in the specialized scientific field cannot claim to have a grip on the massive complexity of the system. That’s a convoluted way of saying you don’t undertand it, and neither do they.

I prefer to look at real data. That is a more certain part of science: a thing called observation.

CO2 lags behind temperature. Fact.

Current global warming: also Fact. So don’t lump me with those who think it’s not happening.

Correlation does not mean causation. Man’s present contributions to CO2 are a correlation, not a cause.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/globalwarming/11395516/The-fiddling-with-temperature-data-is-the-biggest-science-scandal-ever.html"The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest science scandal everNew data shows that the “vanishing” of polar ice is not the result of runaway global warming"

recommended:www.principia-scientific.org for more on the Marxist scam

http://www.nipccreport.org/

2014: Year of Futility in the Fight Against Climate Change record coldhttp://news.heartland.org/editorial/2014/12/31/2014-year-futility-fight-against-climate-change

Obviously turning the white suburbs inside out via section 8 is part of this hodgepodge plan. Fortunately the Obama-admin moved too slowly on this with not enough implementation so a decent president can cut this off at the pass. Any Republican president taking office in 2017 can do the right thing but will he? Or will be allow the leftist permanent Federal bureaucracy to keep this policy? Will he dare clean up the Department of Justice and other Federal plug-uglies?
Or will he be afraid of the uproar the media will amplify (the megaphone)

The refugee resettlement policies are geared towards disrupting our “white homelands” in Wisconsin, Minnesota, Maine, other states, cities, towns and sections of states such as Tennesee which has been invaded by Muslims and Muslim refugees.

"The refugee resettlement policies are geared towards disrupting our “white homelands” in Wisconsin, Minnesota, Maine, other states, cities, towns and sections of states such as Tennesee which has been invaded by Muslims and Muslim refugees."

Isn’t the flip side of this that once there is no more white majority in control, there is no more white guilt. Hasidic Jews and Mestizos don’t feel as if they are responsible for the sins of white slave owners and Jim Crow. No more Mau Mauing the flak catchers. When the Ferguson chief of police is some Hispanic lady, she will be immune to Al Sharpton’s BS.

This is why I say even if you're indifferent towards gay marriage, if you're a conservative you should act against it. It will be used in the years to come to justify a whole range of issues the Left throws out. Gay marriage to the Left is more than just allowing gays to marry but it's about destabilizing the state.

This is why I say even if you’re indifferent towards gay marriage, if you’re a conservative you should act against it. It will be used in the years to come to justify a whole range of issues the Left throws out. Gay marriage to the Left is more than just allowing gays to marry but it’s about destabilizing the state.

This, this, this. I would go further and say that no man of the right–socon, libertarian, warhawk, or citizenist–should be indifferent towards SSM. It’s the greatest statist power grab in history: a few black-robed figures with the help of a couple of black-skinned lawyers (Obama and Holder) basically overthrew the millennial order that was established in Roman law, canon law, the civil law, and the common law and worked out over 20 centuries. While I am a religious man, I have never argued that SSM is a religious issue. It is rather a legal revolution practically unparallelled.

There was a profound comment here at iSteve a couple of months ago in which the commenter (I wish I could credit him) said something like: Two decades ago there were probably no more than 5,000 people (lawyers, academics, journalists–apart from homosexuals) who actively supported SSM. In the blink of eye, they upended centuries-old principles of family law. The commenter went on to note that there is now obviously no principle that is immune to this kind of elite manipulation. If perpetual revolution and “destabilizing the state” is your goal, there is your model. For advocates of ordered liberty, there is your enemy.

Obama just spiked the football in the face of the American core. He was elected twice, he won, and we are all on the long slow train to Postville.

Chuck Todd said something truthful on Meet the Press this past Sunday. The question was "why did Obama mention the sins of the Crusades, slavery and Jim Crow at a prayer breakfast."

Todd's reply was that Obama is resentful at being obligated to attend a prayer breakfast in the first place, so he attacked Christians white Americans by equating them with modern-day Islamism.

Obama just spiked the football in the face of the American core. He was elected twice, he won, and we are all on the long slow train to Postville.

Or, as Steve put it, Obama is trolling. In fact, there seems to be a pretty widespread effort on the part of our evil elite to provoke a white backlash right now. They keep throwing up these ludicrous race hoaxes one after another. Why?

"But, I would think that a few among them might work out well enough. Surely you can design an objective filtering mechanism in the immigration system to select for such few folks among them."

Why bother? For every single one of the few that might work out well enough if you went to the extreme trouble to "design an objective filtering mechanism to select out those few folks," there is a smart White young lad withering in the hinterlands.

Far better to spend those bucks and that political effort upgrading, say, University of North Dakota, so that the smart White American Homer-Hickam-Rocket-Boys types can give us back the space-faring America we used to have.

Do you really think there is some reservoir of untapped white talent languishing in the prairies?

"Do you really think there is some reservoir of untapped white talent languishing in the prairies?"

I'm sure there is, but so what if there's not? Generational Americans out in the prairies have the right to be what they are, unmolested by the likes of Aaron, Sholom, and Heshy Rubashkin and their army of slave wage-earners.

Yes. Most of the prairie states have state universities so there's a strong probability that within those particular states that such untapped talent does indeed still exist.

Hodgepodgism would never work in Japan, where ca. 96-99% of the nation remains ethnically Japanese.

Still can't see Somalis, Ethiopes, Mexicans and Kurds having a yen to move to Tokyo. Not seeing it. And Japan doesn't appear to want to welcome a melting pot of hodgepodge and what not into their historically mono-ethnic island nation.

And especially not now in light of the two Japanese hostages that were brutally killed by militant Islam.

Presumably, Jews and Asians are disproportionately represented at Harvard because they tend to get higher standardized tests scores and perform better in high school. The schools also put their thumbs on the scale for African Americans, who tend to underperform on those measures, in an effort to achieve diversity and remedy the lingering effects of past discrimination. Which leaves rural whites screwed from both ends: Outperformed by Jews and Asians and then having blacks that they’ve outperformed chosen over them to fix a problem they have nothing to do with.
But none of that is new. It was a hot topic when I was in junior high three decades ago. More interesting is this:

[W]hile most extracurricular activities increase your odds of admission to an elite school, holding a leadership role or winning awards in organizations like high school R.O.T.C., 4-H clubs and Future Farmers of America actually works against your chances. Consciously or unconsciously, the gatekeepers of elite education seem to incline against candidates who seem too stereotypically rural or right-wing or “Red America.”
This provides statistical confirmation for what alumni of highly selective universities already know. The most underrepresented groups on elite campuses often aren’t racial minorities; they’re working-class whites (and white Christians in particular) from conservative states and regions. Inevitably, the same underrepresentation persists in the elite professional ranks these campuses feed into: in law and philanthropy, finance and academia, the media and the arts.

If there were an economic theory of the "hodgepodge", it would go something like this: globocrud is phase 1; phase 2 is Men With Gold Chains; with some pluck and focus, you get to graduate to phase 3 as an Amy Chua Market Dominant Minority.

On the one hand it's remarkable that a head of state would say such things and on the other hand it makes perfect sense. It makes sense for President Obama to say such things because these are some of the core projects of our progressive establishment. Obama himself is a fulfilment of these projects. What we're seeing here is both remarkable and entirely predictable. What Obama says is what liberal-progressives in well-financed and well-connected institutions were discussing 60 years ago and what they've been beavering away at ever since: "if you will it, it is no dream".

Looking at it from the perspective of a liberal-progressive in, say, 1960, having President Barack Hussein Obama II make such assertions in an interview published electronically in the year 2015 would make perfect sense and be right and good. It'd be no more disturbing to that member of the Ford Foundation's "brightest and best" to learn of such things in the year 1960 than it would be for the ground crew at Heathrow to learn the British Airways flight they prepped had arrived safely and on time at O'Hare.

Only Russia and Islam are failing to fall into line and get "on the right side of history". I don't think our governing class of degenerated technocrats quite get what a hornet's nest they've kicked over in Russia...

Only Russia and Islam are failing to fall into line and get “on the right side of history”. I don’t think our governing class of degenerated technocrats quite get what a hornet’s nest they’ve kicked over in Russia…

I hate to admit it, but every day I get up eager to read about Russia’s advance into Ukrainian territory. Putin’s not a nice guy, and I hate the destruction and civilian toll, but seeing the US national surveillance/defense/high finance/globalist complex take a hit is fucking delicious.

Russia is not advancing into Ukraine, it's local ethnic Russians fighting the Kiev regime with the help of volunteers from the Russian Federation. I think Putin and the rest of the Russian officials are being truthful when they say they want a unified and federal Ukraine as a neighbour and they want the fighting to end in eastern Ukraine. The fighting doesn't end there though because the Kiev regime wants to draw Russia into a war. Why? Because their economy is so wrecked their only hope is a war, NATO intervention and then a kind of Marshall Plan paid for by the EU. They're being coached by Washington to try this scheme. That's my guess.

Whatever the reason, the fighting in eastern Ukraine has really got the Russian public in a fighting mood, judging by what I can see on the web. There's a video with footage of the fighting in Donbass with a song called "Fight Club" as the soundtrack. I looked up the lyrics and they include lines about fighting "your way out of hell 'til Babylon is gone and nothing else still remains" ... "Our mortal foe..Babylon of our era - It took our lives away" and lots about embracing the pain.

The situation is a bit like that in Ireland in the late 1960s at the time of the Arms Crisis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_CrisisThe difference being that there are a 100 million Russians and they have nukes.

“Or, as Steve put it, Obama is trolling. In fact, there seems to be a pretty widespread effort on the part of our evil elite to provoke a white backlash right now. They keep throwing up these ludicrous race hoaxes one after another. Why?”

Not to sound too tinfoil but maybe they want a backlash to start so they can break out the Long Knives once and for all.

Do you really think there is some reservoir of untapped white talent languishing in the prairies?

“Do you really think there is some reservoir of untapped white talent languishing in the prairies?”

I’m sure there is, but so what if there’s not? Generational Americans out in the prairies have the right to be what they are, unmolested by the likes of Aaron, Sholom, and Heshy Rubashkin and their army of slave wage-earners.

Why is O so confident of a 1,000-year LGBT reich right around the corner? (unless he is just invoking them as a casual shibboleth/NYT boob-bait) This is the most compelling evidence yet that he is a clueless straight dork.

Do you really think there is some reservoir of untapped white talent languishing in the prairies?

Yes. Most of the prairie states have state universities so there’s a strong probability that within those particular states that such untapped talent does indeed still exist.

Hodgepodgism would never work in Japan, where ca. 96-99% of the nation remains ethnically Japanese.

Still can’t see Somalis, Ethiopes, Mexicans and Kurds having a yen to move to Tokyo. Not seeing it. And Japan doesn’t appear to want to welcome a melting pot of hodgepodge and what not into their historically mono-ethnic island nation.

And especially not now in light of the two Japanese hostages that were brutally killed by militant Islam.

Interesting quote coming from Obama. Surely a man in his position must realize we do not have a police force. In fact the USA has the complete opposite of a police force. We have a multitude of police forces and jurisdictions the likes of which probably no other nation knows. We have the largest DECENTRALIZED collection of police forces in the world. Of course maybe this was some sort of slip. I believe many on the left probably would like for the US to indeed have A police force.

On a side note, when I was in college a guy from the UK was in my dorm. He was befuddled by all the police forces he came across, from the campus police to the city cops to the county sheriff to the state troopers. All of them had different uniforms and car liveries. I remember explaining to him about their jurisdictional boundaries. He seemed confused. It also blew his mind that if one committed murder in the state we were located in, you’d get life in prison. But if you committed that murder forty miles to the east in the next state, you’d get a lethal injection.

The POTUS is setting the stage for purges, but he forgets that the tribe of northern Europeans possess the most complete skills sets for organization, adaptation, and fulfillment. All they require is a cause. All things being equal, the tribe with plurality wins, but all things are not equal.

To the contrary, the left has not forgotten those NE abilities at all. That’s specifically why

The public face is still the toothless Klansman in the trailer park

and why entire formerly white neighborhoods being taken over by Mexicans or Chinese, in both America and Canada, elicits the sound of crickets on a still night, but one lone coot attempting to create a “white homeland” in North Dakota sets off sirens from here to London.

“Do you really think there is some reservoir of untapped white talent languishing in the prairies?”

Well the money is certainly better spent on white kids from the prairies than on trying to teach 14-year-old black kids how to multiply two digit numbers and how to properly conjugate the future tense of the verb “to be.”

TNC, the greatest Black mind in America goes after Douthat. Ever mindful of his audience, TNC goes straight for the Jew-card:

The first Crusade was anointed with a pogrom against the Jews of the Rhineland. The Spanish Inquisition included the executions of thousands, and led to the expulsion of Jewish communities from the country. I do not believe one needs a degree in medieval studies to deplore pogroms and ethnic cleansing, anymore than one needs a degree in Middle Eastern studies to deplore the taking or beheading of hostages.

Then TNC goes in for the kill. Douthat, it seems, is insensitive to Jewish pain:

Beneath Ross’s claim of “incredible” complication is a plea for context and nuance on behalf of the murderers of Jews—one he does not make on behalf of ISIS.

Of course, TNC being TNC, it all comes around to Housing:

More importantly, Jim Crow and slavery were not merely the sins of Southerners and the religious right, but the sins of America, itself. Enslavement was not merely a boon for the South, but for the country as a whole. (During the Civil War, New York City was a hotbed of secessionist sympathy mostly because of its economic ties to the South.) And there is simply no way to understand segregation in this country without understanding the housing policies of Democratic president Franklin D. Roosevelt and the G.I. Bill signed by Democratic president Harry Truman.

"The first Crusade was anointed with a pogrom against the Jews of the Rhineland. The Spanish Inquisition included the executions of thousands, and led to the expulsion of Jewish communities from the country. "

Lots of Jews worked with Muslims against Christian Europe and Middle East.

Also, plenty of Jews were involved in the EUROPEAN slave trade.

And if slavery is a 'sin', black Africans have been practicing this 'sin' for 10,000 yrs. At least.

The first Crusade was anointed with a pogrom against the Jews of the Rhineland. The Spanish Inquisition included the executions of thousands, and led to the expulsion of Jewish communities from the country.

The Spanish Inquisition included the execution of "thousands"? LOL. Thousands of what?

The answer is Christians. Always Christians. Only Christians. But Coates is implying something else in most weaselly way possible, to give him wiggle room if called on his mendacity: "I didn't say 'thousands of Jews'; I said 'thousands'."

If only there was some sort of way the core people could think a couple of moves ahead of the fringe people on the chess board.

If the other side wants to elect a new people, we do away with elections.

If only there was some sort of way the core people could think a couple of moves ahead of the fringe people on the chess board.

If the other side wants to elect a new people, we do away with elections.

countenance, the “other side” would like nothing better than to do away with elections; for that matter, so would “our” side. Elections are a huge pain in the ass. You don’t think the dream of both Jeb and Hilary is to announce to the peasants that our betters have decreed their puppet as our new leader, so bow down? If they could puff white smoke out of a White House chimney to signal their decision while we all cheer, they’d do it in a second. We’re all but there, now.

Republican representatives sailed into Congress on a massive wave of voter discontent with unlimited illegal immigration. What will come of it? If we actually had democracy in this country, if the will of the people actually mattered, you know as well as I do that the preventative measures to illegal immigration would be going full power. Instead, we have American citizens waiting months to get a driver’s license, because DMVs are so overwhelmed with applications from illegals.

The Nerd-o-sphere is all afflutter over the news that MARVEL will be making Spider-Man movies again.Needless to say, many pundits see this as a golden opportunity to correct Spider-Man’s most grievous fault, his hideous Whiteness:

Marvel Comics and writer Brian Michael Bendis acknowledged this criticism by creating Miles Morales, a Black Hispanic teenager who took up the mantle of Spider-Man in its “Ultimate Marvel” titles. Morales has been rapturously received, and that success would be easy to re-create on film, especially since it’s unlikely that these new films will replay Spidey’s origin on screen for a third time. If Spider-Man swings on-screen in some random upcoming Marvel movie, it’ll be hard to avoid the depressing whiff of corporate synergy. It’d help if this iteration could bring with it a genuinely new kind of hero.

Was it Ford or Kissinger who said feminism won’t work cuz there’s too much collaboration with the enemy?

Same with blacks. Sure, there are white fears of black crime, and all that. But there’s just too much white boy worship of black culture and too much white girl lust for Negro sex. Just look at our music culture, TV shows, and sports in high schools, colleges, and pros.

Also, Section 8 has an integrative effect because blacks dispersed across America tend to be less threatening and dangerous. For blacks to go crazy, they need critical mass. But if a high school has a certain number of blacks, blacks will act more normal and get more white girls. And white boys will think it’s cool to be friends with blacks.

In America, whites dominate the female ideal. Blacks dominate the male ideal. So, the collaboration between white females and black males will seal the fate of the white race. There’s white fear but also too much mutual desire and fascination. Look at middle class white girls twerking, a form of dance where the dancer imagines mounting a Negro stud. White girls grow up to that stuff. And white boys have come down with cuckolditis. In the past, white males used to get angry. Today, they are browbeaten by black mastery in music, sports, and PC MLK-worship.

Without Jim Crow laws, white males are bound to lose. Borders/boundaries enforce group unity. If there are borders between blacks and whites, white males can insist on being the main partners of white girls who will bond with whites, have white babies, and be proud of their men. But if borders are loosened, many white girls will choose black male as racial-sexual superiors. And then white males will no longer dominate their white community since so many white girls prefer blacks as alpha males.

Libertarians may argue that loss of borders will favor individuals over groups. True to some extent. But because certain groups have more of certain kinds of individuals, it will come to favor certain groups over others.

Suppose one group is made up of people A with average IQ of 95. Another group is made up of people B with average IQ of 120. Suppose there are borders between them. So, in Realm A, the A people dominate powerful institutions. In realm B, the B people dominate powerful institutions.
Now, suppose libertarians argue that, as both realms favor group power, individual power is stifled within the border by group cohesion. Why should individuals not be allowed the play both realms?

So, suppose the borders are lowered, and individuals can win across borders. But which group will produce more winner-individuals? Group A with 95 average IQ or group B with 120 average IQ? Group B individuals will tend to win. So, even though it’s a victory of individuals, it will defacto lead to the tribal supremacy of Group B since many more of its individuals will rise to the top in the new realm that unites both worlds.

This is why Bryan Caplan is full of shit when he says he’s an individualist-libertarian. Would he support such a thing if Jews had an average IQ of 95? No, it’s because average Jewish IQ is 115, which means that if everyone is allowed to play the global game, Jewish individuals will win out over other individuals of other groups. When a lot of Jewish individuals win, individual power turns into group/tribal power. Look at Adelson schmoozing with Haim Saban.

In Japan, Japanese athletes get to play. Some might say it’s unfair since Japanese sports isn’t open to people all over the world. But if Japan did that, Japanese will lose big time since they are mostly a small people. Blacks and whites will totally dominate most Japanese sports. We can argue it’s really just the victory of individuals, but many more black and white individuals are bigger and stronger than Japanese individuals.
Heck, even in Sumo where Japanese square off against fellow Asian Mongols, the Jappers have been wiped off the mound. Japanese have hardly won a championship in the past 1o yrs. Three grand champs are all Mongo.

So, if you want your people to win at least in your own realm, you need borders.
When there was segregation, whites could win sports in the white realm, and blacks could win in the black realm. But once the borders were destroyed, a lot of blacks won and lots of whites lost.
Where is the white running back?

So, getting rid of borders doesn’t do away with tribalism or tribal victory. It leads to defacto tribal domination of certain groups who are more composed of individuals with certain special talents.
NBA is essentially practiced as a ‘black sport’.

Isn't the flip side of this that once there is no more white majority in control, there is no more white guilt. Hasidic Jews and Mestizos don't feel as if they are responsible for the sins of white slave owners and Jim Crow. No more Mau Mauing the flak catchers. When the Ferguson chief of police is some Hispanic lady, she will be immune to Al Sharpton's BS.

When the chief of police is a Latina, she and Sharpton will attribute any failure to a racist lack of money.

"...the vapid commentator who was certain that CO2 does not cause global warming, ..."

Even if you are a climate scientist, I must tell you that I prefer to look at the ice cores from Antarctica, which show that CO2 levels lag behind increasing temperatures, again and again, through aeons of Earth's history.

I suggest you not swallow a complex model too easily, not only because you don't understand it, but also because its very proponents in the specialized scientific field cannot claim to have a grip on the massive complexity of the system. That's a convoluted way of saying you don't undertand it, and neither do they.

I prefer to look at real data. That is a more certain part of science: a thing called observation.

CO2 lags behind temperature. Fact.

Current global warming: also Fact. So don't lump me with those who think it's not happening.

Correlation does not mean causation. Man's present contributions to CO2 are a correlation, not a cause.

One thing they found, this fascinating site with ten years of teenage murder victims in London, with their pictures, mode and place of death - http://www.citizensreportuk.org/reports/teenage-murder-london.html
A fair number of white boys get killed, mainly on the outer fringes of London, but it has been ten years since a white girl was stabbed in London. Black girls get hit by stray bullets, and Asian girls are sometimes stabbed and quite frequently burnt to death, which also happened to one white girl. The great bulk of youth murder victims are black, Turkish (the Turkish gangs are notably hardcore), or south-Asian males.

As Jews grow more powerful, the more allergic they grow about criticism of Jewish power.

When Jews didn’t rule America, all this talk of Jewish power could be dismissed as hyperbole and paranoia. Also, since Jews didn’t have supreme power, they didn’t control the national agenda. Therefore, anti-Jewish talk was just talk. It had limited effect on real power.

But now that Jews do rule America, any talk of Jewish power could expose the nature/extent of Jewish power and lead to all sorts of stumbling blocks for the Jewish-globalist agenda.

Anti-Jewish talk is no longer just talk but could serve to derail the Jewish plans around the world.

If your agenda isn’t dominant, so what if others put it down? Whether people praise it or oppose it, it’s not what’s on the table. So, who cares?

But once your agenda is dominant, you want it to proceed unopposed. So, you don’t want any kind of talk that might serve as an obstacle.

Same with homos. When homos were far from powerful, they understood the need for free speech and took criticism.
But as they grew more powerful and came to control the national agenda, they fear any talk that might derail their goals.

We might assume that the more powerful something becomes, it will grow more relaxed, generous, and magnanimous. This may be true when the power is majority power, which is why white gentiles lowered their guard. As they had elite and mass power, they took their power for granted for all eternity like in the Hare and Tortoise story.

But when elite minority take power, they become even more nervous despite its great power because if it loses mass support/sympathy in regards to the Narrative, the tide can turn against its interests. The success of elite minority depends on TOTAL victory and total domination to cower the masses.
So, the more powerful Jews and homos become, they become even more intolerant and aggressive.
It would be wrong to expect them to become like white gentiles. The dynamics are too different.

TNC, the greatest Black mind in America goes after Douthat. Ever mindful of his audience, TNC goes straight for the Jew-card:

The first Crusade was anointed with a pogrom against the Jews of the Rhineland. The Spanish Inquisition included the executions of thousands, and led to the expulsion of Jewish communities from the country. I do not believe one needs a degree in medieval studies to deplore pogroms and ethnic cleansing, anymore than one needs a degree in Middle Eastern studies to deplore the taking or beheading of hostages.

Then TNC goes in for the kill. Douthat, it seems, is insensitive to Jewish pain:

Beneath Ross’s claim of “incredible” complication is a plea for context and nuance on behalf of the murderers of Jews—one he does not make on behalf of ISIS.

Of course, TNC being TNC, it all comes around to Housing:

More importantly, Jim Crow and slavery were not merely the sins of Southerners and the religious right, but the sins of America, itself. Enslavement was not merely a boon for the South, but for the country as a whole. (During the Civil War, New York City was a hotbed of secessionist sympathy mostly because of its economic ties to the South.) And there is simply no way to understand segregation in this country without understanding the housing policies of Democratic president Franklin D. Roosevelt and the G.I. Bill signed by Democratic president Harry Truman.

http://www.theatlantic.com/ta-nehisi-coates/

“Enslavement was not merely a boon for the South, but for the country as a whole. ”

A boon for American blacks too as they turned out much better than African blacks who sold them.

TNC, the greatest Black mind in America goes after Douthat. Ever mindful of his audience, TNC goes straight for the Jew-card:

The first Crusade was anointed with a pogrom against the Jews of the Rhineland. The Spanish Inquisition included the executions of thousands, and led to the expulsion of Jewish communities from the country. I do not believe one needs a degree in medieval studies to deplore pogroms and ethnic cleansing, anymore than one needs a degree in Middle Eastern studies to deplore the taking or beheading of hostages.

Then TNC goes in for the kill. Douthat, it seems, is insensitive to Jewish pain:

Beneath Ross’s claim of “incredible” complication is a plea for context and nuance on behalf of the murderers of Jews—one he does not make on behalf of ISIS.

Of course, TNC being TNC, it all comes around to Housing:

More importantly, Jim Crow and slavery were not merely the sins of Southerners and the religious right, but the sins of America, itself. Enslavement was not merely a boon for the South, but for the country as a whole. (During the Civil War, New York City was a hotbed of secessionist sympathy mostly because of its economic ties to the South.) And there is simply no way to understand segregation in this country without understanding the housing policies of Democratic president Franklin D. Roosevelt and the G.I. Bill signed by Democratic president Harry Truman.

http://www.theatlantic.com/ta-nehisi-coates/

“The first Crusade was anointed with a pogrom against the Jews of the Rhineland. The Spanish Inquisition included the executions of thousands, and led to the expulsion of Jewish communities from the country. ”

Lots of Jews worked with Muslims against Christian Europe and Middle East.

Also, plenty of Jews were involved in the EUROPEAN slave trade.

And if slavery is a ‘sin’, black Africans have been practicing this ‘sin’ for 10,000 yrs. At least.

“…I’m pretty optimistic, and the reason is because this country just becomes more and more of a hodgepodge of folks….. you know, one of the great things about being president ……”

I understand hodgepodge, that’s how I came out of nowhere to win two terms as president.

“…think about how rapidly the whole issue of the LGBT community and discrimination against gays and lesbians has shifted. The Republican party, even the most conservative, they have much less ability…”

His vision for the future of America is that of an Ottoman market where slaves from different parts of the world are brought in to be sold. That’s been done already and didn’t advance civilization forward one bit. He doesn’t seem to mention liking to see whites in these out of the mainstream places, only exotics. Also, he has to work blacks and homosexuals into every conversation but perhaps that’s understandable coming from him. Then again, Bush was hardly any different. His own daughter was married by a black clergyman and he claimed he was deeply hurt when some rapper said he ‘didn’t care’ about blacks, surpassing any feelings felt when the country experienced a couple of real disasters. Bill Clinton and his wife beamed before a college audience as they crowed about how the country’s whites would become a minority and how good that would be. John McCain’s son is married to a black, his daughter seems to be a lesbian and they adopted a dark-skinned child from Bangladesh which makes them a real mainstream all-American family(not). Another great leader of ours, John Boehner, has a daughter that married a black who looks like a grungy Rastafarian. The political leaders we have can’t even keep their own families intact let alone have any idea about keeping the country together.

In 1995 40% of Republicans agreed with the OJ verdict? That can't be right...

Probably not correct, the 40% figure. Anecdotal, though, my best friend growing up, in Mission Viejo, his father was an exec with Hertz In late 70s-early 80s, and had a biz relationship with The Juice. Speaking to them before the trial started, they were shocked that I thought OJ was guilty. I too was shocked that they (conservatives, Rs) believed Orenthal’s bullshit.

The Nerd-o-sphere is all afflutter over the news that MARVEL will be making Spider-Man movies again.Needless to say, many pundits see this as a golden opportunity to correct Spider-Man's most grievous fault, his hideous Whiteness:

Marvel Comics and writer Brian Michael Bendis acknowledged this criticism by creating Miles Morales, a Black Hispanic teenager who took up the mantle of Spider-Man in its "Ultimate Marvel" titles. Morales has been rapturously received, and that success would be easy to re-create on film, especially since it's unlikely that these new films will replay Spidey's origin on screen for a third time. If Spider-Man swings on-screen in some random upcoming Marvel movie, it'll be hard to avoid the depressing whiff of corporate synergy. It'd help if this iteration could bring with it a genuinely new kind of hero.

Off topic – or maybe not – a DC Councilwoman is trying to get $20 million to open an all-boys college prep school for blacks and Hispanics. Apparently, white boys need not apply. I realize that no white boy living in DC and in his right mind would apply, but the coconuts to openly reject white and Asian kids is amazing.

The initiative is called, “Empowering Males of Color.”

The WaPost and other media outlets don’t seem too troubled by the title. I’m sure that they’d be fine with an “Empowering White Boys” initiative in West Virginia.

If you look back at polling around the OJ Simpson verdict or the Bernhard Goetz shooting in New York, Republicans and Democrats — you basically couldn’t tell them apart.

Yes, I always look to 31 year olds to reflect on memories from their childhood. Klein was born the year of the Goetz shooting, and 1o y/o when the Simpson verdict came down. Talk about writing The Narrative…

TNC, the greatest Black mind in America goes after Douthat. Ever mindful of his audience, TNC goes straight for the Jew-card:

The first Crusade was anointed with a pogrom against the Jews of the Rhineland. The Spanish Inquisition included the executions of thousands, and led to the expulsion of Jewish communities from the country. I do not believe one needs a degree in medieval studies to deplore pogroms and ethnic cleansing, anymore than one needs a degree in Middle Eastern studies to deplore the taking or beheading of hostages.

Then TNC goes in for the kill. Douthat, it seems, is insensitive to Jewish pain:

Beneath Ross’s claim of “incredible” complication is a plea for context and nuance on behalf of the murderers of Jews—one he does not make on behalf of ISIS.

Of course, TNC being TNC, it all comes around to Housing:

More importantly, Jim Crow and slavery were not merely the sins of Southerners and the religious right, but the sins of America, itself. Enslavement was not merely a boon for the South, but for the country as a whole. (During the Civil War, New York City was a hotbed of secessionist sympathy mostly because of its economic ties to the South.) And there is simply no way to understand segregation in this country without understanding the housing policies of Democratic president Franklin D. Roosevelt and the G.I. Bill signed by Democratic president Harry Truman.

There is mistrust between the police and minority communities. Solution: train the police. More. There can be no expectations on the minority community. And appoint a task force. Then talk about interracial couples; and immigrants.

It is like pulling a string on a toy doll.

There is mistrust between the police and minority communities. Solution: train the police. More.

Classic leftist response: more training, more education, more rules. Classic re-education camp response. Leftists believe in the blank slate theory of human development–all nurture, no nature. In the future, everything not prohibited will be mandatory.

Notice how it doesn’t work very well as humans aren’t particularly malleable. But doubling down on re-education they must.

Aren't all coalitions a hodgepodge? President Harding's normalcy coalition ended up being dominated by the newly reinvented KKK, immigration restrictionists , prohibitionists, and feminists.

the Obama hodgepodge is unique in that it has factions based on sexual hang ups or fetishes.

Never heard this before. Hard to connect the dots between Klan and Harding. Harding, who may have had Negro relatives, Republican (party of Lincoln), from Ohio. Opponent, James M Cox, Democrat (party of the old and reconstituted Klan), supporter of Woodrow Wilson. Woodrow Wilson, rayciss, put his stamp of approval on Birth of a Nation. Birth of a Nation, inspiration for William J Simmons’ reconstitution of the Klan. Reconstituted Klan, promised to defend the nation during WW1 against the usual suspects, but also against among other things, “bootleggers, graft, unfair business deals, sex and scandals”. Warren Gameliel Harding’s presidential legacy, “bootlegging, graft, unfair business, sex and scandals.” Don’t see the connection, give references.

The mysterious, mysterious causes of teenage violent death in London:
http://may2015.com/featured/169-london-teenagers-killed-in-a-decade-is-deprivation-the-cause/
The fearless sleuths of the New Statesman are on the case!

One thing they found, this fascinating site with ten years of teenage murder victims in London, with their pictures, mode and place of death – http://www.citizensreportuk.org/reports/teenage-murder-london.html
A fair number of white boys get killed, mainly on the outer fringes of London, but it has been ten years since a white girl was stabbed in London. Black girls get hit by stray bullets, and Asian girls are sometimes stabbed and quite frequently burnt to death, which also happened to one white girl. The great bulk of youth murder victims are black, Turkish (the Turkish gangs are notably hardcore), or south-Asian males.

The mysterious, mysterious causes of teenage violent death in London:
http://may2015.com/featured/169-london-teenagers-killed-in-a-decade-is-deprivation-the-cause/
The fearless sleuths of the New Statesman are on the case!

I’m not sure I grasp the subtlety of this line in the article you linked: “Now causation doesn’t mean causality.”

TNC, the greatest Black mind in America goes after Douthat. Ever mindful of his audience, TNC goes straight for the Jew-card:

The first Crusade was anointed with a pogrom against the Jews of the Rhineland. The Spanish Inquisition included the executions of thousands, and led to the expulsion of Jewish communities from the country. I do not believe one needs a degree in medieval studies to deplore pogroms and ethnic cleansing, anymore than one needs a degree in Middle Eastern studies to deplore the taking or beheading of hostages.

Then TNC goes in for the kill. Douthat, it seems, is insensitive to Jewish pain:

Beneath Ross’s claim of “incredible” complication is a plea for context and nuance on behalf of the murderers of Jews—one he does not make on behalf of ISIS.

Of course, TNC being TNC, it all comes around to Housing:

More importantly, Jim Crow and slavery were not merely the sins of Southerners and the religious right, but the sins of America, itself. Enslavement was not merely a boon for the South, but for the country as a whole. (During the Civil War, New York City was a hotbed of secessionist sympathy mostly because of its economic ties to the South.) And there is simply no way to understand segregation in this country without understanding the housing policies of Democratic president Franklin D. Roosevelt and the G.I. Bill signed by Democratic president Harry Truman.

http://www.theatlantic.com/ta-nehisi-coates/

The first Crusade was anointed with a pogrom against the Jews of the Rhineland. The Spanish Inquisition included the executions of thousands, and led to the expulsion of Jewish communities from the country.

The Spanish Inquisition included the execution of “thousands”? LOL. Thousands of what?

The answer is Christians. Always Christians. Only Christians. But Coates is implying something else in most weaselly way possible, to give him wiggle room if called on his mendacity: “I didn’t say ‘thousands of Jews’; I said ‘thousands’.”

First Obama says that he thinks politicians won´t be successful by relying on racial fears, taking a stance for one group against another. The politicians he means are of course leftist politicians like himself, because they are the only ones who would take a side and make a living out of race baiting. Conservatives anyway don´t even dare to take the side of whites, they only say: justice should be done to everybody.
Actually Obama tries to excuse his rather mild position on Ferguson and Zimmermann/Martin by that, so he does not mean leftists politicians in generally but actually himself.
But than – and that is a very populated trick among leftists – he turns things around. By saying Republicans do not dare to be other than cheering to gays anymore and so they bettered themselves, he implies that it would be rightwing people who have the more extreme positions on political matters in general, Zimmermann/Martin, Ferguson especially.

That way he gets it all: excusing his mildness to his more fanatic followers, being the wise guy who tells his comrades to be cooperative, not aggressive and last but not least rightwing people are the nasty ones anyway

Boston brought in a black woman from Atlanta to run its MBTA light rail/subway (the T). Now Boston is up in arms with how disasterous it’s been going, or not going, during the snowstorms. Here’sBeverly Scott’s press conference.

People thought the T was bad 30 years ago when it was essentially a union hall for connected sons of Hibernia. It's transformation into the Third World hiring hall has proven that the true depths were unplumbed.

The T is just a very public microcosm of the current decline in government's ability to do anything well. The vast majority of its budget goes to debt service, ludicrous salaries and benefits, and enormous pensions. When you're operating the oldest subway system in America, a lot of things need fixing, especially the 40+-year old cars on the Red and Orange Lines, but the aforementioned budget items are the priority.

Obama Derangement Syndrome. Look, I’m no great fan of his administration, and even less of the symbolic politics “progressives” in the Democratic Party. (The part of me that’s favorable to the Democrats is when they seek to mildly redistribute income, i.e. think “lunchpail Democrat” or “FDR-Truman-JFK-LBJ except for Vietnam Democrat.”)

I detest Obama’s attorney general; I think Obamacare is a ridiculously expensive failure; and I am appalled by the climate change fraud. And I think, in general, that he’s been a diffident administrator and a mediocre leader. Better than Bush Junior, but that’s not saying much. I do think Obama is underrated in the Middle East, having been more forceful than his opponents are willing to admit, yet prudent.

But this? This is a complete nothingburger. Obama simply tosses another anodyne thumbs-up to e pluribus unum, and expressed approval of the idea that it’s harder for the wingnuts to engage in fag-baiting these days.

Do you really think there is some reservoir of untapped white talent languishing in the prairies?

Yes.
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Presumably, Jews and Asians are disproportionately represented at Harvard because they tend to get higher standardized tests scores and perform better in high school. The schools also put their thumbs on the scale for African Americans, who tend to underperform on those measures, in an effort to achieve diversity and remedy the lingering effects of past discrimination. Which leaves rural whites screwed from both ends: Outperformed by Jews and Asians and then having blacks that they’ve outperformed chosen over them to fix a problem they have nothing to do with.
But none of that is new. It was a hot topic when I was in junior high three decades ago. More interesting is this:

[W]hile most extracurricular activities increase your odds of admission to an elite school, holding a leadership role or winning awards in organizations like high school R.O.T.C., 4-H clubs and Future Farmers of America actually works against your chances. Consciously or unconsciously, the gatekeepers of elite education seem to incline against candidates who seem too stereotypically rural or right-wing or “Red America.”
This provides statistical confirmation for what alumni of highly selective universities already know. The most underrepresented groups on elite campuses often aren’t racial minorities; they’re working-class whites (and white Christians in particular) from conservative states and regions. Inevitably, the same underrepresentation persists in the elite professional ranks these campuses feed into: in law and philanthropy, finance and academia, the media and the arts.

It’s not just that they turned out better than African Blacks; American Blacks wouldn’t exist at all if not for the trans-Atlantic slave trade. They owe their lives to slavery.

Though slaves undoubtedly went through hell, in the grand scheme of things black Africans today are widely distributed throughout the globe, not due to their their military conquests or personal desires for exploration, but for the cold simple reason of slavery. How many other population groups are as widely distributed among the nations of world?

Obama Derangement Syndrome. Look, I'm no great fan of his administration, and even less of the symbolic politics "progressives" in the Democratic Party. (The part of me that's favorable to the Democrats is when they seek to mildly redistribute income, i.e. think "lunchpail Democrat" or "FDR-Truman-JFK-LBJ except for Vietnam Democrat.")

I detest Obama's attorney general; I think Obamacare is a ridiculously expensive failure; and I am appalled by the climate change fraud. And I think, in general, that he's been a diffident administrator and a mediocre leader. Better than Bush Junior, but that's not saying much. I do think Obama is underrated in the Middle East, having been more forceful than his opponents are willing to admit, yet prudent.

But this? This is a complete nothingburger. Obama simply tosses another anodyne thumbs-up to e pluribus unum, and expressed approval of the idea that it's harder for the wingnuts to engage in fag-baiting these days.

Better than Bush Junior, but that’s not saying much. I do think Obama is underrated in the Middle East, having been more forceful than his opponents are willing to admit, yet prudent.

Ignoring Iraq and blowing up Egypt, Syria and Libya has been the height of prudence. OK, he didn’t drive the entire US military into a tarpit like Bush, so he’s got that going for him.

Ignoring Iraq and blowing up Egypt, Syria and Libya has been the height of prudence. OK, he didn’t drive the entire US military into a tarpit like Bush, so he’s got that going for him.

The Middle East is a hellhole. It's always a matter of minimizing damage. Both Bushes screwed up badly, but especially junior. I was never once taken in by the "Arab Spring," but I don't blame Obama for that failure. He never should've let himself be cajoled into drawing or implying a "red line" in Syria, but he's been willing to use force without expanding the overall presence.

The Republicans have no cohesive alternatives. Nothing that even pretends to make sense. The Benghazi circus is nothing but Hillary-bashing. The only president if my lifetime who has made any major positive change there was Carter and his Camp David agreement. Everything else has pretty much been a slow-motion fustercluck.

I am not happy with Obama's policies in the Middle East, but I find it difficult to be very critical given the utter disaster he stepped into, and the relative lack of useful tools to do very much about it. These people have been hacking each other to bits long before Jesus H. Christ appeared on the scene, and I think they'll keep right on doing it until he comes back.

“Enslavement was not merely a boon for the South, but for the country as a whole. ”

A boon for American blacks too as they turned out much better than African blacks who sold them.

It's not just that they turned out better than African Blacks; American Blacks wouldn't exist at all if not for the trans-Atlantic slave trade. They owe their lives to slavery.

It’s not just that they turned out better than African Blacks; American Blacks wouldn’t exist at all if not for the trans-Atlantic slave trade. They owe their lives to slavery.

Though slaves undoubtedly went through hell, in the grand scheme of things black Africans today are widely distributed throughout the globe, not due to their their military conquests or personal desires for exploration, but for the cold simple reason of slavery. How many other population groups are as widely distributed among the nations of world?

I think Steve has mentioned it before that the largest untapped resource in this nation is whites in general, and white males in particular.

Can you imagine the clusterf*ck it’s gonna be when there isn’t this critical supply of white males to keep infrastructure running in cold climates (US, Europe)?! At best everything will be half-assed and rigged and unreliable. The only case where it wouldn’t be a problem, a looming catastrophe, is if these critical white males were being replaced by Japanese or Korean men. But they’re not.

Throw in the importation of Muslim refugees and Boise and Minneapolis in 2050 will be like Grozny in 2000 (sans the lily-white demographics).

Only Russia and Islam are failing to fall into line and get “on the right side of history”. I don’t think our governing class of degenerated technocrats quite get what a hornet’s nest they’ve kicked over in Russia…

I hate to admit it, but every day I get up eager to read about Russia's advance into Ukrainian territory. Putin's not a nice guy, and I hate the destruction and civilian toll, but seeing the US national surveillance/defense/high finance/globalist complex take a hit is fucking delicious.

Russia is not advancing into Ukraine, it’s local ethnic Russians fighting the Kiev regime with the help of volunteers from the Russian Federation. I think Putin and the rest of the Russian officials are being truthful when they say they want a unified and federal Ukraine as a neighbour and they want the fighting to end in eastern Ukraine. The fighting doesn’t end there though because the Kiev regime wants to draw Russia into a war. Why? Because their economy is so wrecked their only hope is a war, NATO intervention and then a kind of Marshall Plan paid for by the EU. They’re being coached by Washington to try this scheme. That’s my guess.

Whatever the reason, the fighting in eastern Ukraine has really got the Russian public in a fighting mood, judging by what I can see on the web. There’s a video with footage of the fighting in Donbass with a song called “Fight Club” as the soundtrack. I looked up the lyrics and they include lines about fighting “your way out of hell ’til Babylon is gone and nothing else still remains” … “Our mortal foe..Babylon of our era – It took our lives away” and lots about embracing the pain.

The situation is a bit like that in Ireland in the late 1960s at the time of the Arms Crisis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_Crisis
The difference being that there are a 100 million Russians and they have nukes.

As a whole, I think they would be a lot harder to assimilate than people from other cultures with a greater affinity to the traditional Christian American culture. But, I would think that a few among them might work out well enough. Surely you can design an objective filtering mechanism in the immigration system to select for such few folks among them.

I don't think it would be hard to design and implement a set of objective criteria that, via the natural selection of race realism, would filter out the kind of people who would not assimilate well or easily. And, of course, assimilation requires a limit on the numbers admitted during a given time frame, qualified or not.

Heck, even enforcing the current laws on the books strenuously would do a world of good: http://cis.org/node/5882

I think there is a rather large space between that and a purist white ethno-state, which has never existed in history.

“Surely you can design an objective filtering mechanism in the immigration system to select for such few folks among them.” – That still won’t stop regression to mean.

That makes one of you. I think he's a puerile, resentful jerk who believes this stuff. The fact he sat in, and tithed to, Rev Wright's 'church' all those years lends credence to that view. As do the numerous instances of his racially demagogic rhetoric -- most notably re Trayvon Martin and Ferguson of course. Not to mention his DOJ appointments. Also not to mention sending White House representation to Michael Brown's funeral (after the release of the convenience store video) -- or maybe you don't believe Obama was fully approving of that?

Obama did not tithe, ever.

His tax returns showed he gave very very little total, like 1% until he made over a million. And even then the total % of all charitable donations was way under 10%.

Interesting to note: The president stopped donating to Wright's church completely in 2008 when controversy grew over whether Wright's black liberation theology had affected the president. Prior to that, the Obamas gave a total of $53,770 to Wright's church over a three-year period from 2005 to 2007. The largest contribution was for $26,270 in 2007.

So he seems to have given a good deal of cash, just looking at the sum, during the three years right before he stopped/started running for President (he was a US Senator at the time). He also gave to the Congressional Black Caucus.

Anyway, the general point still stands.

And Obama is not smart/devious enough to have such a "strategy" -- he's just a patina of politically correct bullshit, with nothing underneath -- scratch the surface and what you have is what you scratched off the surface. More than anything this 'interview' highlights his shallowness.

Ethnic Russians are a minority absolutely everywhere in Ukraine outside of the Crimea and a scatter of border municipalities.

Yes and that's where they're fighting and resisting being driven out. Compare this 1994 map to where the fighting is now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians#mediaviewer/File:Russians_ethnic_94.jpg

“The Kiev regime” is more properly known as ‘the legal government’.Yeah the legal government that took power by force, has members of parliament who personally repeatedly assault and kidnap people and who ran elections in which their opponents were attacked and beaten repeatedly. The legal government that uses rockets and artillery on its civilians. The legal government that made three foreigners into cabinet ministers, including some chick from your State Department. It's also doing an amazing job investigating that Malaysian Airlines disaster too. Only the Russian Federation seems interested in that case now.

I agree that regular Russian armed forces are involved with most of the fighting, but I missed the part where Yanukovich was legally removed from power. I'd assume Ukraine has some sort of constitutional method for dealing with abdication, but my guess is what happened wasn't it. Anyway, I like the idea of Russia sticking up for Russians and the US government having its plans thwarted.

Ethnic Russians are a minority absolutely everywhere in Ukraine outside of the Crimea

There is no difference between ethnic Russians and ethnic "Ukrainians". Its just two names applied to parts of the same nation - like Yankees and Southerners. Before around 1917, no one had ever heard of Ukraine as a nation, Ukrainians as a people, or Ukrainian as a language because they were invented in that year by the German General Staff. Don't believe me, check Google's N-gram's on it. The two groups look the same, have the same genetics, speak the same language, worship in the same Church. The Ukrainian language is just a sort of pidgin Russian created and formalized from an admixture of Polish and German loanwords. More educated Russians might patiently explain to you it is a sort of Russian ebonics. I defy you to somehow give an accurate border between ethnic "Russian" and "Ukrainian" populations or between languages that can in any way be supported by real facts on the ground instead of your emotions.

As far as Ukrainian state statistics go, people who answer "Russian" on the Ukrainian census form are those who felt no attachement to the Ukrainian state, while those who answered Ukrainian did.

That being said, if you want to try somehow to define where Russians live, use of the formal Russian written language in everyday life might be a good place to start. In that case, the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians are Russians, as the language border by written useage is somewhere over by Vinnitsya. See this map concerning user written language on VKontakte:

Better than Bush Junior, but that’s not saying much. I do think Obama is underrated in the Middle East, having been more forceful than his opponents are willing to admit, yet prudent.

Ignoring Iraq and blowing up Egypt, Syria and Libya has been the height of prudence. OK, he didn't drive the entire US military into a tarpit like Bush, so he's got that going for him.

Ignoring Iraq and blowing up Egypt, Syria and Libya has been the height of prudence. OK, he didn’t drive the entire US military into a tarpit like Bush, so he’s got that going for him.

The Middle East is a hellhole. It’s always a matter of minimizing damage. Both Bushes screwed up badly, but especially junior. I was never once taken in by the “Arab Spring,” but I don’t blame Obama for that failure. He never should’ve let himself be cajoled into drawing or implying a “red line” in Syria, but he’s been willing to use force without expanding the overall presence.

The Republicans have no cohesive alternatives. Nothing that even pretends to make sense. The Benghazi circus is nothing but Hillary-bashing. The only president if my lifetime who has made any major positive change there was Carter and his Camp David agreement. Everything else has pretty much been a slow-motion fustercluck.

I am not happy with Obama’s policies in the Middle East, but I find it difficult to be very critical given the utter disaster he stepped into, and the relative lack of useful tools to do very much about it. These people have been hacking each other to bits long before Jesus H. Christ appeared on the scene, and I think they’ll keep right on doing it until he comes back.

it’s local ethnic Russians fighting the Kiev regime with the help of volunteers from the Russian Federation.

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Ethnic Russians are a minority absolutely everywhere in Ukraine outside of the Crimea and a scatter of border municipalities. "The Kiev regime" is more properly known as 'the legal government'.

Ethnic Russians are a minority absolutely everywhere in Ukraine outside of the Crimea and a scatter of border municipalities.

Yes and that’s where they’re fighting and resisting being driven out. Compare this 1994 map to where the fighting is now:

“The Kiev regime” is more properly known as ‘the legal government’.
Yeah the legal government that took power by force, has members of parliament who personally repeatedly assault and kidnap people and who ran elections in which their opponents were attacked and beaten repeatedly. The legal government that uses rockets and artillery on its civilians. The legal government that made three foreigners into cabinet ministers, including some chick from your State Department. It’s also doing an amazing job investigating that Malaysian Airlines disaster too. Only the Russian Federation seems interested in that case now.

By the SJWs who dominate the comic press. Actual comic book buyers find him to be a gigantic Gary Stu and a distraction.

Comics are full of these lame attempts to turn white characters into non-whites, because that’s the only way to make it work; turn an already-popular character into a non-white. It ropes the existing fans by putting a bit of steak next to the pile of shit. But non-white start-ups are pretty much always non-starters.

But those small drops in sales translate into megabucks when it comes time to make the movie. Why risk the success of a billion dollars worth of movie trilogy chasing a poor demographic? This is why they’re stuck with the likes of Nick Fury, who nobody cares about anyway.

Video games? No way they turn into the cesspool that comics are. At least, not for the foreseeable future. Games are like movies. Each one is effectively its own, short-term business venture. Even more movies than movies, because they require so much technical know-how, far more than a movie does. The competition’s too cutthroat and the timeline’s too short. Although, granted, developers’ minds are at least as captured by the Synagogue’s Narrative as the rest of the population. But, taken over by talentless English and Dyke Studies majors? No.

If anything, game studios seem more impervious to NAMversity than the rest of tech does.

Comics take 3 or 4 mediocre people to produce (possible exception for the colorist and maybe the penciller) and they’re made to go on forever (good targets).

Video games? No way they turn into the cesspool that comics are. At least, not for the foreseeable future. Games are like movies. Each one is effectively its own, short-term business venture. Even more movies than movies, because they require so much technical know-how, far more than a movie does. The competition’s too cutthroat and the timeline’s too short. Although, granted, developers’ minds are at least as captured by the Synagogue’s Narrative as the rest of the population.

You're forgetting about James Bowery.

Comics are full of these lame attempts to turn white characters into non-whites, because that’s the only way to make it work; turn an already-popular character into a non-white. It ropes the existing fans by putting a bit of steak next to the pile of shit.

On second thought, not quite as movies as the movies. Film is a much more known quantity, far more consistent in production method than games. The jobs are established and don’t change much at all. Thus, a film studio can consist of a handful of idea men who can go out and hire all the people they need once they’ve got a project in mind. The exception being CG which (like game development) is still innovating like crazy, and so benefits from a true studio structure. Games and CG both have a real studio structure which is more vulnerable to Predatory Diversity than movie studios.

But on the other other hand, stuff like Epic’s Unreal Engine make a leaner model viable. And top talent are constantly leaving their old studios to start over from scratch with a new one. A game studio is mostly about the talent, not 500k$ cameras, huge sets, etc.

Yeah the legal government that took power by force, has members of parliament who personally repeatedly assault and kidnap people and who ran elections in which their opponents were attacked and beaten repeatedly. The legal government that uses rockets and artillery on its civilians. The legal government that made three foreigners into cabinet ministers, including some chick from your State Department. It’s also doing an amazing job investigating that Malaysian Airlines disaster too. Only the Russian Federation seems interested in that case now.

One of the great things about being an American is that we are a nation of people who long ago told Europe, “thanks, but no thanks.” Or, to put it differently, most of us think that both the Ukrainians and the Russians are circus freaks. I doubt I’m alone in wanting to be as far away from that particular ball of ugliness as possible.

it’s local ethnic Russians fighting the Kiev regime with the help of volunteers from the Russian Federation.

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Ethnic Russians are a minority absolutely everywhere in Ukraine outside of the Crimea and a scatter of border municipalities. "The Kiev regime" is more properly known as 'the legal government'.

I agree that regular Russian armed forces are involved with most of the fighting, but I missed the part where Yanukovich was legally removed from power. I’d assume Ukraine has some sort of constitutional method for dealing with abdication, but my guess is what happened wasn’t it. Anyway, I like the idea of Russia sticking up for Russians and the US government having its plans thwarted.

but I missed the part where Yanukovich was legally removed from power.

You missed him leaving the country for the embrace of his Russian patrons when the military would not take orders anymore. You also missed this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_presidential_election,_2014

The lot of you should forsake talking about public affairs in favor of imaginative literature. You might find it much more satisfying and you would not be so confounded between fiction and non-fiction.

I agree that regular Russian armed forces are involved with most of the fighting ...

I can't recall ever seeing any real evidence of this. Eastern Ukraine and the Russian Federation have more than enough civilian volunteers with military training to hold up their end of this unnecessary civil war.

In related news, I notice the once venerable Spectator did a hit piece on my man Givi, commander of the Somalia Battalion over there:

(I notice too they toned down the American prison slang they original used as the title when the blog post was first posted and the URL was made.)

I grew up in a home with a subscription to the Spectator but I'm siding with Givi on this one. Apparently "Givi" is the code name he chose because it's the name of his half-Georgian grandfather who fought in the Great Patriotic War. YouTube has him interviewed by a Georgian reporter. You can find it by searching for: "[eng subs] Givi answers questions of Georgian journalist ".

It's one of the funny old paradoxes of politics that guys like Givi and Motorola are stronger defenders of real conservatism than you'd find at the Spectator after Auberon Waugh and Enoch Powell died.

Sometimes, not always, but sometimes, in rare moments of despair, I wonder whether there is any longer space for an old-style assimilationist that I am. I feel caught between the dominant and suffocating paradigm of "hodge-podge" multiculturalists who are constructing a world without a center on the one hand and on the other the increasingly embittered minority, but possibly growing number, of white nationalists who advocate a purist white ethno-state.

I know that does not capture the reality in its totality. I can see that from interacting with my family-by-marriage, my friends, my neighbors, and other community members. But on the ether of the internet and the blogosphere, there seems to this binary, Manichean construct of either hodge-podgism or racial fundamentalism.

So I find Mr. Sailer's "citizenism" refreshing in a "retro" sort of way, founded upon an HBD/race realist foundation but also gentlemanly and hopeful at the same time. May it be the future again.

But your Asian…so to translate what you said:

“As an Asian male I’m worried that whites will reject all people…including wonderfully genteel people like myself who aren’t troublemakers…because that would be bad for me because then I would not get to take part in a white society and white economic system”

Your post was nothing but self-interest. If your children are mixed race then that frankly is your own fault and you should have thought ahead and gone through multiple future scenarios in your mind before picking a marriage partner.

My advice? Pick a side and stick with it.

Whites…even ultra-nationalist whites…are the most tolerant people on the planet. If I knew there was an Asian male who said “I support you…I don’t want Asian women marrying your men and your men marrying my Asian women and we will unite in this common bond of protecting borders…even if that means I and my progeny would have to live amongst….*gasp* other Asians…I am fine with that” I’d be much more inclined to make exceptions here and there for people I know post no threat to my world view.

You either believe in culture and nations or you don’t. You either believe Chinese should be living in China or you don’t. There is no Grey Area.

It’s not my problem as a white person if quite a few Asian people don’t want to live in Asia…and Even Worse…Don’t Want To Fight to Make Asia a better, more Liveable Place.

"It’s not my problem as a white person if quite a few Asian people don’t want to live in Asia…and Even Worse…Don’t Want To Fight to Make Asia a better, more Liveable Place.
I’m working on my ‘nation’…go work on yours."

Are you sure you don't want that membership in the Anti-White Coaltion, Twinkie? I'll offer you a discount this month only.

That's where you are wrong, sport. I am a troublemaker, but I am that to the wrong sorts of people. Like enemies of America overseas and domestic lefitsts.

Your post was nothing but self-interest.

If I were strictly into material self-interest, I'd join my fellow "one percenters" and welcome my new indentured servants.

But I care very deeply about my adopted country. My belief in, and defense of, traditional Anglo-American culture, including Christianity, is motivated by this love. I've braved dangers overseas for my country. I've forsaken an easy life in the country of my birth and have led an often difficult and maligned life in my adopted one. You can argue that my ideas about the future of the country are wrong. But your accusation of self-interest is unjust and illogical.

If your children are mixed race then that frankly is your own fault and you should have thought ahead and gone through multiple future scenarios in your mind before picking a marriage partner

You seem to not know about this concept called love.

My "own fault"? My children are extremely blessed. They are born of moral, well-educated, athletic, and attractive parents who worked very hard to build a prosperous family for them. My sincere hope is that they understand how blessed they are and embrace noblesse oblige. Certainly their mother and I have strongly emphasized Christian virtue and patriotism.

I’d be much more inclined to make exceptions here and there for people I know post no threat to my world view.

Well, then, it's good that you are not the emperor of America. I don't need your acceptance. I have been accepted as a full peer in law by the state and in spirit by my wife, her family, my friends and blood-brothers, my neighbors, and fellow community members. I am an American already. We are now discussing about *future* Americans.

You either believe in culture and nations or you don’t. You either believe Chinese should be living in China or you don’t. There is no Grey Area.

Of course I believe in cultures and nations. But you seem not to know that they do not *perfectly* coincide with race or ethnicity (which are also terms that are not biologically perfectly discrete). Of course, they sometimes or frequently overlap significantly, but these terms have never been perfect synonyms.

I’m working on my ‘nation’…go work on yours.

As I put before, I am already an American, no matter how you feel about it.

It turns it, they are looking for electronic counter-measures for rockets, tanks and…drones. It is not possible for the Russians in Crimea to simply have drones that they could pilfer or even advanced communications gear.

Interesting to note: The president stopped donating to Wright’s church completely in 2008 when controversy grew over whether Wright’s black liberation theology had affected the president. Prior to that, the Obamas gave a total of $53,770 to Wright’s church over a three-year period from 2005 to 2007. The largest contribution was for $26,270 in 2007.

So he seems to have given a good deal of cash, just looking at the sum, during the three years right before he stopped/started running for President (he was a US Senator at the time). He also gave to the Congressional Black Caucus.

Anyway, the general point still stands.

And Obama is not smart/devious enough to have such a “strategy” — he’s just a patina of politically correct bullshit, with nothing underneath — scratch the surface and what you have is what you scratched off the surface. More than anything this ‘interview’ highlights his shallowness.

Off topic - or maybe not - a DC Councilwoman is trying to get $20 million to open an all-boys college prep school for blacks and Hispanics. Apparently, white boys need not apply. I realize that no white boy living in DC and in his right mind would apply, but the coconuts to openly reject white and Asian kids is amazing.

The initiative is called, "Empowering Males of Color."

The WaPost and other media outlets don't seem too troubled by the title. I'm sure that they'd be fine with an "Empowering White Boys" initiative in West Virginia.

Yeah, great, go for it. Just don't use the coercive taxing power of the state to make everyone pay for it. As a White, I don't want to be forced to finance special schools for 'males of color'. Period. Especially since I strongly believe (because this is what the evidence shows) that academic attainment, including behavioral characteristics that contribute to that, is mostly genetic. So such schools, which are explicitly designed to raise the achievement levels of NAM males, are generally a waste of money.

So if you or anyone else thinks it's a good idea, then like I said go for it -- create a charitable foundation, solicit donations, and build/staff the school.

Ethnic Russians are a minority absolutely everywhere in Ukraine outside of the Crimea and a scatter of border municipalities.

Yes and that's where they're fighting and resisting being driven out. Compare this 1994 map to where the fighting is now: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russians#mediaviewer/File:Russians_ethnic_94.jpg

“The Kiev regime” is more properly known as ‘the legal government’.Yeah the legal government that took power by force, has members of parliament who personally repeatedly assault and kidnap people and who ran elections in which their opponents were attacked and beaten repeatedly. The legal government that uses rockets and artillery on its civilians. The legal government that made three foreigners into cabinet ministers, including some chick from your State Department. It's also doing an amazing job investigating that Malaysian Airlines disaster too. Only the Russian Federation seems interested in that case now.

“Yeah the legal government that took power by force,…”

Does bombing an apartment building count? Oh, wait, that isn’t Kiev. Never mind.

“…has members of parliament who personally repeatedly assault and kidnap people…”

It does seems unfair to have specialized schools for Hispanic and Black males only.

But people here talk all the time about the particularly bad problems they have.

Isn't it better to admit and try to deal with the problems? If we find out that these schools work for some boys, wouldn't that be great?

Yeah, great, go for it. Just don’t use the coercive taxing power of the state to make everyone pay for it. As a White, I don’t want to be forced to finance special schools for ‘males of color’. Period. Especially since I strongly believe (because this is what the evidence shows) that academic attainment, including behavioral characteristics that contribute to that, is mostly genetic. So such schools, which are explicitly designed to raise the achievement levels of NAM males, are generally a waste of money.

So if you or anyone else thinks it’s a good idea, then like I said go for it — create a charitable foundation, solicit donations, and build/staff the school.

I agree that regular Russian armed forces are involved with most of the fighting, but I missed the part where Yanukovich was legally removed from power. I'd assume Ukraine has some sort of constitutional method for dealing with abdication, but my guess is what happened wasn't it. Anyway, I like the idea of Russia sticking up for Russians and the US government having its plans thwarted.

“Anyway, I like the idea of Russia sticking up for Russians and the US government having its plans thwarted.”

Anyone who thinks the Victoria Nulands of the world have been “thwarted” by Ukraine needs to stick with Dora the Explorer for their daily dose of geopolitics.

By the SJWs who dominate the comic press. Actual comic book buyers find him to be a gigantic Gary Stu and a distraction.

Comics are full of these lame attempts to turn white characters into non-whites, because that's the only way to make it work; turn an already-popular character into a non-white. It ropes the existing fans by putting a bit of steak next to the pile of shit. But non-white start-ups are pretty much always non-starters.

But those small drops in sales translate into megabucks when it comes time to make the movie. Why risk the success of a billion dollars worth of movie trilogy chasing a poor demographic? This is why they're stuck with the likes of Nick Fury, who nobody cares about anyway.

Video games? No way they turn into the cesspool that comics are. At least, not for the foreseeable future. Games are like movies. Each one is effectively its own, short-term business venture. Even more movies than movies, because they require so much technical know-how, far more than a movie does. The competition's too cutthroat and the timeline's too short. Although, granted, developers' minds are at least as captured by the Synagogue's Narrative as the rest of the population. But, taken over by talentless English and Dyke Studies majors? No.

If anything, game studios seem more impervious to NAMversity than the rest of tech does.

Comics take 3 or 4 mediocre people to produce (possible exception for the colorist and maybe the penciller) and they're made to go on forever (good targets).

Video games? No way they turn into the cesspool that comics are. At least, not for the foreseeable future. Games are like movies. Each one is effectively its own, short-term business venture. Even more movies than movies, because they require so much technical know-how, far more than a movie does. The competition’s too cutthroat and the timeline’s too short. Although, granted, developers’ minds are at least as captured by the Synagogue’s Narrative as the rest of the population.

You’re forgetting about James Bowery.

Comics are full of these lame attempts to turn white characters into non-whites, because that’s the only way to make it work; turn an already-popular character into a non-white. It ropes the existing fans by putting a bit of steak next to the pile of shit.

I agree that regular Russian armed forces are involved with most of the fighting, but I missed the part where Yanukovich was legally removed from power. I'd assume Ukraine has some sort of constitutional method for dealing with abdication, but my guess is what happened wasn't it. Anyway, I like the idea of Russia sticking up for Russians and the US government having its plans thwarted.

but I missed the part where Yanukovich was legally removed from power.

You missed him leaving the country for the embrace of his Russian patrons when the military would not take orders anymore. You also missed this.

The lot of you should forsake talking about public affairs in favor of imaginative literature. You might find it much more satisfying and you would not be so confounded between fiction and non-fiction.

Presumably, Jews and Asians are disproportionately represented at Harvard because they tend to get higher standardized tests scores and perform better in high school. The schools also put their thumbs on the scale for African Americans, who tend to underperform on those measures, in an effort to achieve diversity and remedy the lingering effects of past discrimination. Which leaves rural whites screwed from both ends: Outperformed by Jews and Asians and then having blacks that they’ve outperformed chosen over them to fix a problem they have nothing to do with.
But none of that is new. It was a hot topic when I was in junior high three decades ago. More interesting is this:

[W]hile most extracurricular activities increase your odds of admission to an elite school, holding a leadership role or winning awards in organizations like high school R.O.T.C., 4-H clubs and Future Farmers of America actually works against your chances. Consciously or unconsciously, the gatekeepers of elite education seem to incline against candidates who seem too stereotypically rural or right-wing or “Red America.”
This provides statistical confirmation for what alumni of highly selective universities already know. The most underrepresented groups on elite campuses often aren’t racial minorities; they’re working-class whites (and white Christians in particular) from conservative states and regions. Inevitably, the same underrepresentation persists in the elite professional ranks these campuses feed into: in law and philanthropy, finance and academia, the media and the arts.

Obviously turning the white suburbs inside out via section 8 is part of this hodgepodge plan. Fortunately the Obama-admin moved too slowly on this with not enough implementation so a decent president can cut this off at the pass. Any Republican president taking office in 2017 can do the right thing but will he? Or will be allow the leftist permanent Federal bureaucracy to keep this policy? Will he dare clean up the Department of Justice and other Federal plug-uglies?
Or will he be afraid of the uproar the media will amplify (the megaphone)

The refugee resettlement policies are geared towards disrupting our "white homelands" in Wisconsin, Minnesota, Maine, other states, cities, towns and sections of states such as Tennesee which has been invaded by Muslims and Muslim refugees.

At least 50%-60% of our 100,000 per year refugees are Muslims. Even the wacked out Jewish refugee settlements programs do Muslims...for the money. Because its all about gettin' paid!!!

“The refugee resettlement policies are geared towards disrupting our “white homelands” in Wisconsin, Minnesota, Maine, other states, cities, towns and sections of states such as Tennesee which has been invaded by Muslims and Muslim refugees.”

The funny thing is that if Obama gets his way and the US becomes Hodgepodia, an unrepentant zombie white Southern KKKer from Civil War days would have the last laugh. The South will have won, the US will have become an extension of Caribbean culture, for better and worse.

You're on the record Simon with the self-assessment that you're a person of superior discernment because you advocate factually false and perverse things because these false and perverse judgments do not appear in regular newspapers. You said that, not me. Very seldom does the bizarre vanity of a large swath of the intelligentsia get such lucid expression. Pity for your students.

One thing they found, this fascinating site with ten years of teenage murder victims in London, with their pictures, mode and place of death - http://www.citizensreportuk.org/reports/teenage-murder-london.html
A fair number of white boys get killed, mainly on the outer fringes of London, but it has been ten years since a white girl was stabbed in London. Black girls get hit by stray bullets, and Asian girls are sometimes stabbed and quite frequently burnt to death, which also happened to one white girl. The great bulk of youth murder victims are black, Turkish (the Turkish gangs are notably hardcore), or south-Asian males.

The great bulk of youth murder victims are black, Turkish (the Turkish gangs are notably hardcore), or south-Asian males.

Boston brought in a black woman from Atlanta to run its MBTA light rail/subway (the T). Now Boston is up in arms with how disasterous it's been going, or not going, during the snowstorms. Here'sBeverly Scott's press conference.

She’s the newest poster girl for credentialed incompetents.

People thought the T was bad 30 years ago when it was essentially a union hall for connected sons of Hibernia. It’s transformation into the Third World hiring hall has proven that the true depths were unplumbed.

The T is just a very public microcosm of the current decline in government’s ability to do anything well. The vast majority of its budget goes to debt service, ludicrous salaries and benefits, and enormous pensions. When you’re operating the oldest subway system in America, a lot of things need fixing, especially the 40+-year old cars on the Red and Orange Lines, but the aforementioned budget items are the priority.

I agree that regular Russian armed forces are involved with most of the fighting, but I missed the part where Yanukovich was legally removed from power. I'd assume Ukraine has some sort of constitutional method for dealing with abdication, but my guess is what happened wasn't it. Anyway, I like the idea of Russia sticking up for Russians and the US government having its plans thwarted.

I agree that regular Russian armed forces are involved with most of the fighting …

I can’t recall ever seeing any real evidence of this. Eastern Ukraine and the Russian Federation have more than enough civilian volunteers with military training to hold up their end of this unnecessary civil war.

In related news, I notice the once venerable Spectator did a hit piece on my man Givi, commander of the Somalia Battalion over there:

(I notice too they toned down the American prison slang they original used as the title when the blog post was first posted and the URL was made.)

I grew up in a home with a subscription to the Spectator but I’m siding with Givi on this one. Apparently “Givi” is the code name he chose because it’s the name of his half-Georgian grandfather who fought in the Great Patriotic War. YouTube has him interviewed by a Georgian reporter. You can find it by searching for: “[eng subs] Givi answers questions of Georgian journalist “.

It’s one of the funny old paradoxes of politics that guys like Givi and Motorola are stronger defenders of real conservatism than you’d find at the Spectator after Auberon Waugh and Enoch Powell died.

The Nerd-o-sphere is all afflutter over the news that MARVEL will be making Spider-Man movies again.Needless to say, many pundits see this as a golden opportunity to correct Spider-Man's most grievous fault, his hideous Whiteness:

Marvel Comics and writer Brian Michael Bendis acknowledged this criticism by creating Miles Morales, a Black Hispanic teenager who took up the mantle of Spider-Man in its "Ultimate Marvel" titles. Morales has been rapturously received, and that success would be easy to re-create on film, especially since it's unlikely that these new films will replay Spidey's origin on screen for a third time. If Spider-Man swings on-screen in some random upcoming Marvel movie, it'll be hard to avoid the depressing whiff of corporate synergy. It'd help if this iteration could bring with it a genuinely new kind of hero.

There is mistrust between the police and minority communities. Solution: train the police. More.

Classic leftist response: more training, more education, more rules. Classic re-education camp response. Leftists believe in the blank slate theory of human development--all nurture, no nature. In the future, everything not prohibited will be mandatory.

Notice how it doesn't work very well as humans aren't particularly malleable. But doubling down on re-education they must.

See the various discussions about Culturalist vs. Structuralist explanations by ‘sociologists’ for more who, whom.

>>“The Kiev regime” is more properly known as ‘the legal government’.<<

LOL. That's pathetic.

You’re on the record Simon with the self-assessment that you’re a person of superior discernment because you advocate factually false and perverse things because these false and perverse judgments do not appear in regular newspapers. You said that, not me. Very seldom does the bizarre vanity of a large swath of the intelligentsia get such lucid expression. Pity for your students.

"The refugee resettlement policies are geared towards disrupting our “white homelands” in Wisconsin, Minnesota, Maine, other states, cities, towns and sections of states such as Tennesee which has been invaded by Muslims and Muslim refugees."

You're on the record Simon with the self-assessment that you're a person of superior discernment because you advocate factually false and perverse things because these false and perverse judgments do not appear in regular newspapers. You said that, not me. Very seldom does the bizarre vanity of a large swath of the intelligentsia get such lucid expression. Pity for your students.

Columbians are from a civilization that’s an offshoot of Western Christendom. Their racial mix is way, way more Amerindian that in the US. Half the population mestizo according to Wikipedia demographics. Probably a similar proportion to the US of African. But a significant minority of “whites”–folks who are mostly white and self-identify as whites. This will on the whole be a lower IQ population than the US, but i’d venture superior in IQ to the typical Mexican mestizo immigrant we’re getting.

Somalis on the other hand are a bottom of the barrel population from hostile tribal cultures, practicing the religion of Western Christendom’s historic enemy civilization–Islam. They are a flat out racial, cultural, civilizational debacle. And it shows. Wherever they go–and the hodge-podgization program is to use them to “diversify” (i.e. destabilize) whitopias–they wreck the joint.

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Note, i’m not advocating importing Colombians.

The simple approach that would seem like a political winner for citizenists is “immigration moratorium”. Say “We have enough people”. Challenge opponents with “How overpopulated do you want the country to be?” “You want 400m–mid century? Half a billion?–before the end of the century, before our kids lives are over.” “Do you want us to be like India? China?” “Will life be better for our kids in that America? … Or a hell of a lot worse”.

I’m simply saying while i don’t want either to come, i can tell the difference between Colombians and Somalis.

From the OED entry for “hodge-podge” (closest to “hodgepodge” in there):

2.contemptuous. A clumsy mixture of ingredients.

This about sums it up. Obama could have chosen a more positive way to say it than “hodgepodge of folks”, but he can’t be bothered to choose his words carefully. This betrays contempt for the “folks” he speaks of and contempt for his listeners.

it’s local ethnic Russians fighting the Kiev regime with the help of volunteers from the Russian Federation.

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Ethnic Russians are a minority absolutely everywhere in Ukraine outside of the Crimea and a scatter of border municipalities. "The Kiev regime" is more properly known as 'the legal government'.

Art Deco:

Ethnic Russians are a minority absolutely everywhere in Ukraine outside of the Crimea

There is no difference between ethnic Russians and ethnic “Ukrainians”. Its just two names applied to parts of the same nation – like Yankees and Southerners. Before around 1917, no one had ever heard of Ukraine as a nation, Ukrainians as a people, or Ukrainian as a language because they were invented in that year by the German General Staff. Don’t believe me, check Google’s N-gram’s on it. The two groups look the same, have the same genetics, speak the same language, worship in the same Church. The Ukrainian language is just a sort of pidgin Russian created and formalized from an admixture of Polish and German loanwords. More educated Russians might patiently explain to you it is a sort of Russian ebonics. I defy you to somehow give an accurate border between ethnic “Russian” and “Ukrainian” populations or between languages that can in any way be supported by real facts on the ground instead of your emotions.

As far as Ukrainian state statistics go, people who answer “Russian” on the Ukrainian census form are those who felt no attachement to the Ukrainian state, while those who answered Ukrainian did.

That being said, if you want to try somehow to define where Russians live, use of the formal Russian written language in everyday life might be a good place to start. In that case, the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians are Russians, as the language border by written useage is somewhere over by Vinnitsya. See this map concerning user written language on VKontakte:

"I defy you to somehow give an accurate border between ethnic “Russian” and “Ukrainian” populations..."

I accept that challenge: How about the one specified here? Seems to be something Ukrainians and Russians (and Americans and Brits, for that matter) should all agree on.

As for the rest of your oh-so-scholarly analysis, the Slavic language from Slovenia to Russia was basically one smooth variation at one point, and a man walking that distance on foot would pick up a few new words or turns of phrase at each village. That's the way languages evolve. Saying one language is a pidgin version of another is just political haymaking. Why isn't Russian just another pidgin version of the Old Slavonic they spoke way back when -- you know, when they called themselves the KIEVAN Rus? (Though Old Slavonic probably had a fair bit of regional variation as well.)

"More educated Russians might patiently explain to you it is a sort of Russian ebonics."

Aw, good for them. So, more educated Russians have primacy over more educated Ukrainians when it comes to determining which words are pidgin and which aren't because...why, exactly? What's the point here? Oh, is it that whatever Moscow says should be parroted around the world by its stooges and their followers in order to score political points?

Or you could say that "Great Russians" are an artificial nation created as a Kievan colony under Scandinavian leadership out of Slavicized Finnic and Aryan tribes and gradually conquered Turkic peoples. The so-called "Russian language" is only a type of ebonics that came out of a mix of Church Slavic and colloquial Slavic dialects on a Finno-Ugric substrate. Even the name "Russian" is stolen and us actual natives still call the Swedes the Rus; the pretenders who try to present themselves as a people called "Russians" have no name as a nation and they are simply called Slavs (Wends).

"Russians" are no longer pure Europeans due to the assimilation of part-Asiatic Finno-Ugric peoples while Ukrainian-speaking Ukrainians have no Mongoloid component; the two peoples can hardly be said to have the same genetics when they're not even fully the same race anymore.

You can slander any people but what never seems to amaze me is why do so many people just take the ridiculous stuff coming from Russians seriously. No, it's not at all like the American Civil War. What would Americans have thought of it if the Gettysburg address had been about blasting Borat like propaganda about New England dialects being the real English language while Southern dialects are just pidgin, a form of ebonics, not even real language blah blah blah (hell they actually spoke genuine creole languages down there)? Any American talking like that would have been laughed at.

It also never ceases to amaze me how many Russians think that they have some chance of getting Eastern Europe as their willing empire when all they offer to even their supposedly closest relatives is slander and contempt. To Finns they just look like a giant banana republic of pale Borats.

There were plenty of pure white countries in Europe before World War 2 or so, simply because racial/cultural contact hadn't even occurred.

Of course, they were worried about other kinds of 'diversity'...

I actually agree we could probably assimilate people if we tried harder--we did it 100 years ago. But nobody's interested anymore.

I doubt the white nationalist thing is going to gain much traction outside of the Internet, personally. The public face is still the toothless Klansman in the trailer park. (Yes, my odious relatives in the media have a lot to do with that, but it is the reality now.) Not going to encourage a lot of high-end whites--they prefer to just use money to wall themselves off from undesirables.

As for the middle and working classes, they don't have the wherewithal/money to move, and so our new rough beast of a country slouches toward Brazil to be born. Income inequality hurts normal people much more than it annoys leftoids--when the rich have all the money, they can buy politicians and get what they want.

There were plenty of pure white countries in Europe before World War 2

"But, I would think that a few among them might work out well enough. Surely you can design an objective filtering mechanism in the immigration system to select for such few folks among them."

Why bother? For every single one of the few that might work out well enough if you went to the extreme trouble to "design an objective filtering mechanism to select out those few folks," there is a smart White young lad withering in the hinterlands.

Far better to spend those bucks and that political effort upgrading, say, University of North Dakota, so that the smart White American Homer-Hickam-Rocket-Boys types can give us back the space-faring America we used to have.

Why bother? For every single one of the few that might work out well enough if you went to the extreme trouble to “design an objective filtering mechanism to select out those few folks,” there is a smart White young lad withering in the hinterlands.

Because the larger problem of smart young rural whites being discriminated by elite institutions on the Coasts is not going to be solved or worsened by a handful of smart Columbians becoming assimilated.

Furthermore, a restrictive, but smart/assimilative immigration system is more easily achieved legally and politically than a total ban on immigration or a white-only immigration. The latter two are near impossibilities. Surely you must know that?

If not, do tell how a total ban or a white-only immigration system can be achieved. Lay out the plans or at least map out a conceivable sequence of scenarios. Unless, of course, you imagine something like “The Day of the Rope,” in which case we have nothing more to discuss.

Far better to spend those bucks and that political effort upgrading, say, University of North Dakota

Actually a smart immigration system would cost less than the current system, so would generate a net surplus that can be used for other domestic purposes.

But I don’t think “upgrading” the University of North Dakota would solve the kind of problems you have in mind. Contrary to what you think, smart lads in the prairies don’t “wither,” they often go to high quality, if not elite, universities and end up doing upper middle class jobs either at home or, more lucratively, in coastal areas. Both coasts are full of smart young people from the prairies.

Now, if you mean the economic fates of average or below-average young whites, their woes are more domestic cultural and international economic (and, yes, I agree, worsened by the mass immigration) in origin. This is not the 1950′s anymore. Europe has recovered and East Asia has been heavily modernized. Industrial capacity outside even those areas has grown greatly. The days when under-educated below average American workers can goof off at school and enjoy upper-middle class trappings are long gone and would have disappeared even without immigration (although, again, I do think that mass immigration has exacerbated that trend greatly, and I do wish for an end to such immigration).

"Because the larger problem of smart young rural whites being discriminated by elite institutions on the Coasts is not going to be solved or worsened by a handful of smart Columbians becoming assimilated."

Horsepuckies. The *effort* required politically to even get some sort of immigration restriction going is IMMENSE. It quite possibly is equal to the effort to get North Dakota U upgraded -- Or, greater, I say.

I believe this because I lived in California in 1994 during the passage of Prop 187, the eminently reasonable prop to deny state-funded welfare bennies to illegal aliens -- the last-ditch effort of White California to Save our State. It was overturned by the lovely Mariana Pfaelzer, judge appointed by Jimmy Carter to the United States District Court for the Central District of California, despite MASSIVELY winning its popular vote from the good citizens (mostly White back then) of California.

If such *minimal,* utterly *reasonable* anti-immigration measures as Prop 107, to deny WELFARE to aliens who AREN'T EVEN SUPPOSED TO BE HERE, are overturned, then WHAT possible political chance could *any* law restricting non-White immigration, no matter how well thought-out, possibly have? None at all.

"Furthermore, a restrictive, but smart/assimilative immigration system is more easily achieved legally achieved legally and politically than a total ban on immigration or a white-only immigration"

Oh really? You actually believe legal means will EVER be used to control non-White immigration? Even after California's attempt, and Arizona's attempt, and Tom Tancredo's run for president was utterly torpedoed by the pro-mass-immigration left? Even though there are PLENTY of laws on the books, and have been there for eons, but are simply *not* enforced?

And who said I'm arguing for a White-only immigration policy, anyway? I'm all for an immigration moratorium. We're all full up here.

"But I don’t think “upgrading” the University of North Dakota would solve the kind of problems you have in mind. Contrary to what you think, smart lads in the prairies don’t “wither,” they often go to high quality, if not elite, universities and end up doing upper middle class jobs either at home or, more lucratively, in coastal areas. Both coasts are full of smart young people from the prairies."

Horseshit. Did you even *bother* to look at my link?

And as far as this "often" word you use --which is plain crap, it's MUCH more than "often"-- but nonetheless even YOU have to admit that "often" leaves plenty smart White prairie lads who DIDN'T get to go to "high quality, if not elite, universities and end up doing upper middle class jobs either at home or, more lucratively, in coastal areas."
And those young White prairie lads left over who DIDN'T get to go, as I said, far OUTNUMBER those few Columbians and Somalis you MIGHT find, assuming you even COULD get some kind of a restriction based on reasonable criteria and then do the work of assimilating them.

Folks like you, non-White immigrants, are, as far as I have seen, (which is a long way) are ALWAYS in favor of immigration. Oh, sure, you'll couch it as restricted and "we'll assimilate 'em" and all that pretty talk, but it's just the nose under the camel's tent. You non-White immigrants know which side your bread is buttered on -- and which side of the world your cousins and other ethnic genetic interests are.

Meanwhile, MY ethnic genetic interests are best served by upgrading Middle-American universities, NOT by importing third-worlders, not any. Not now, not ever.

Why bother? For every single one of the few that might work out well enough if you went to the extreme trouble to “design an objective filtering mechanism to select out those few folks,” there is a smart White young lad withering in the hinterlands.

Because the larger problem of smart young rural whites being discriminated by elite institutions on the Coasts is not going to be solved or worsened by a handful of smart Columbians becoming assimilated.

Furthermore, a restrictive, but smart/assimilative immigration system is more easily achieved legally and politically than a total ban on immigration or a white-only immigration. The latter two are near impossibilities. Surely you must know that?

If not, do tell how a total ban or a white-only immigration system can be achieved. Lay out the plans or at least map out a conceivable sequence of scenarios. Unless, of course, you imagine something like "The Day of the Rope," in which case we have nothing more to discuss.

Far better to spend those bucks and that political effort upgrading, say, University of North Dakota

Actually a smart immigration system would cost less than the current system, so would generate a net surplus that can be used for other domestic purposes.

But I don't think "upgrading" the University of North Dakota would solve the kind of problems you have in mind. Contrary to what you think, smart lads in the prairies don't "wither," they often go to high quality, if not elite, universities and end up doing upper middle class jobs either at home or, more lucratively, in coastal areas. Both coasts are full of smart young people from the prairies.

Now, if you mean the economic fates of average or below-average young whites, their woes are more domestic cultural and international economic (and, yes, I agree, worsened by the mass immigration) in origin. This is not the 1950's anymore. Europe has recovered and East Asia has been heavily modernized. Industrial capacity outside even those areas has grown greatly. The days when under-educated below average American workers can goof off at school and enjoy upper-middle class trappings are long gone and would have disappeared even without immigration (although, again, I do think that mass immigration has exacerbated that trend greatly, and I do wish for an end to such immigration).

“Because the larger problem of smart young rural whites being discriminated by elite institutions on the Coasts is not going to be solved or worsened by a handful of smart Columbians becoming assimilated.”

Horsepuckies. The *effort* required politically to even get some sort of immigration restriction going is IMMENSE. It quite possibly is equal to the effort to get North Dakota U upgraded — Or, greater, I say.

I believe this because I lived in California in 1994 during the passage of Prop 187, the eminently reasonable prop to deny state-funded welfare bennies to illegal aliens — the last-ditch effort of White California to Save our State. It was overturned by the lovely Mariana Pfaelzer, judge appointed by Jimmy Carter to the United States District Court for the Central District of California, despite MASSIVELY winning its popular vote from the good citizens (mostly White back then) of California.

If such *minimal,* utterly *reasonable* anti-immigration measures as Prop 107, to deny WELFARE to aliens who AREN’T EVEN SUPPOSED TO BE HERE, are overturned, then WHAT possible political chance could *any* law restricting non-White immigration, no matter how well thought-out, possibly have? None at all.

“Furthermore, a restrictive, but smart/assimilative immigration system is more easily achieved legally achieved legally and politically than a total ban on immigration or a white-only immigration”

Oh really? You actually believe legal means will EVER be used to control non-White immigration? Even after California’s attempt, and Arizona’s attempt, and Tom Tancredo’s run for president was utterly torpedoed by the pro-mass-immigration left? Even though there are PLENTY of laws on the books, and have been there for eons, but are simply *not* enforced?

And who said I’m arguing for a White-only immigration policy, anyway? I’m all for an immigration moratorium. We’re all full up here.

“But I don’t think “upgrading” the University of North Dakota would solve the kind of problems you have in mind. Contrary to what you think, smart lads in the prairies don’t “wither,” they often go to high quality, if not elite, universities and end up doing upper middle class jobs either at home or, more lucratively, in coastal areas. Both coasts are full of smart young people from the prairies.”

Horseshit. Did you even *bother* to look at my link?

And as far as this “often” word you use –which is plain crap, it’s MUCH more than “often”– but nonetheless even YOU have to admit that “often” leaves plenty smart White prairie lads who DIDN’T get to go to “high quality, if not elite, universities and end up doing upper middle class jobs either at home or, more lucratively, in coastal areas.”
And those young White prairie lads left over who DIDN’T get to go, as I said, far OUTNUMBER those few Columbians and Somalis you MIGHT find, assuming you even COULD get some kind of a restriction based on reasonable criteria and then do the work of assimilating them.

Folks like you, non-White immigrants, are, as far as I have seen, (which is a long way) are ALWAYS in favor of immigration. Oh, sure, you’ll couch it as restricted and “we’ll assimilate ‘em” and all that pretty talk, but it’s just the nose under the camel’s tent. You non-White immigrants know which side your bread is buttered on — and which side of the world your cousins and other ethnic genetic interests are.

Meanwhile, MY ethnic genetic interests are best served by upgrading Middle-American universities, NOT by importing third-worlders, not any. Not now, not ever.

The *effort* required politically to even get some sort of immigration restriction going is IMMENSE. It quite possibly is equal to the effort to get North Dakota U upgraded — Or, greater, I say.

Yes, in terms of political effort perhaps. But those two are apples and oranges.

In terms of political effort, I would suggest that a smart, restrictive immigration would take less effort than a moratorium. Or do you believe that a moratorium would be easier to achieve than what I propose?

One of the political lessons that the gun rights movement has learned over the decades is that, since the 1968 Gun Control Act, the gun control folks have engaged in incremental changes to achieve greater and greater restriction. A frontal assault against that failed repeatedly. Meanwhile, incremental efforts against them have succeeded spectacularly, and now we are at a situation in which more Americans favor gun rights than gun control. Unprecedented. There is a lesson there, something you seem not to grasp.

My preference would be: 1) a highly restrictive immigration system that lets in a few exceptional individuals who would benefit the country and would be easy to assimilate, 2) total ban, 3) skills-based (not family reunification-based) immigration, and finally 4) the status quo. In that order.

So, I'd be pretty happy with a total ban. But I think it's unrealistic and would face dramatically greater resistance than 1) and 3).

Folks like you

You are one classy person. Just address me and my points. Don't need to pigeonhole me as "folks."

You non-White immigrants know which side your bread is buttered on — and which side of the world your cousins and other ethnic genetic interests are.

Are you saying that I don't love my wife and my children (and, judging from my children's dating preferences, my future grandkids)? Are you saying I care about some random Asians over my own progeny?

Stop frothing at the mouth, and listen to me and listen good. My people are my wife, my children, her family, my blood brothers who braved dangers with me overseas and friends (mostly very conservative whites), and my neighbors (90%+ whites). I love them. I have shed blood for them and for my adopted country - OUR country. Stop insulting me with this stupid "ethnic genetic interests" talk.

I have a couple of distant cousins who immigrated here. I don't know them all that well, and even if I did, I wouldn't put their interests ahead of my people as described above. In any case, I think that immigration restriction would benefit them too (they're already here!).

The rest of my close "ethnic" kin are leading happy and prosperous lives back in East Asia. They don't want to emigrate. They live in a very technologically advanced, low crime country that is most certainly not a "Third World hellhole." They have no interest in trading their lives for those of immigrants in the U.S. (they all think *I* am a crazy person, because I gave up a life of luxury, comfort, and status to be a gun-toting hillbilly in America, because I fell in love with it head over heels).

Meanwhile, MY ethnic genetic interests

Look, I get that you only care about whites. Fine. That's your choice. But don't project and then use that as an excuse for being insulting and rude.

I care deeply about this country and about Americans. I fully accept and appreciate that the dominant culture of this country is and should be the traditional Anglo-American culture. I further accept that its historical Northern European majority should be preserved as such. But I care about *all* my fellow Americans and want all of us to do better (yes, even blacks, with whose members I had many physical altercations when I was younger). To me, that is what it means to be patriotic.

You don't have to subscribe to that. That's your God-given right. But don't keep insulting me like I am some sort of a Trojan Horse out to get white Americans with nefarious motives. At least do me the courtesy of arguing with my ideas. After all, are you here just to emote or actually convince others about immigration restriction/moratorium?

Ethnic Russians are a minority absolutely everywhere in Ukraine outside of the Crimea

There is no difference between ethnic Russians and ethnic "Ukrainians". Its just two names applied to parts of the same nation - like Yankees and Southerners. Before around 1917, no one had ever heard of Ukraine as a nation, Ukrainians as a people, or Ukrainian as a language because they were invented in that year by the German General Staff. Don't believe me, check Google's N-gram's on it. The two groups look the same, have the same genetics, speak the same language, worship in the same Church. The Ukrainian language is just a sort of pidgin Russian created and formalized from an admixture of Polish and German loanwords. More educated Russians might patiently explain to you it is a sort of Russian ebonics. I defy you to somehow give an accurate border between ethnic "Russian" and "Ukrainian" populations or between languages that can in any way be supported by real facts on the ground instead of your emotions.

As far as Ukrainian state statistics go, people who answer "Russian" on the Ukrainian census form are those who felt no attachement to the Ukrainian state, while those who answered Ukrainian did.

That being said, if you want to try somehow to define where Russians live, use of the formal Russian written language in everyday life might be a good place to start. In that case, the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians are Russians, as the language border by written useage is somewhere over by Vinnitsya. See this map concerning user written language on VKontakte:

http://progressivepress.com/pix/KrimLangMap.jpg

“I defy you to somehow give an accurate border between ethnic “Russian” and “Ukrainian” populations…”

I accept that challenge: How about the one specified here? Seems to be something Ukrainians and Russians (and Americans and Brits, for that matter) should all agree on.

As for the rest of your oh-so-scholarly analysis, the Slavic language from Slovenia to Russia was basically one smooth variation at one point, and a man walking that distance on foot would pick up a few new words or turns of phrase at each village. That’s the way languages evolve. Saying one language is a pidgin version of another is just political haymaking. Why isn’t Russian just another pidgin version of the Old Slavonic they spoke way back when — you know, when they called themselves the KIEVAN Rus? (Though Old Slavonic probably had a fair bit of regional variation as well.)

“More educated Russians might patiently explain to you it is a sort of Russian ebonics.”

Aw, good for them. So, more educated Russians have primacy over more educated Ukrainians when it comes to determining which words are pidgin and which aren’t because…why, exactly? What’s the point here? Oh, is it that whatever Moscow says should be parroted around the world by its stooges and their followers in order to score political points?

Ethnic Russians are a minority absolutely everywhere in Ukraine outside of the Crimea

There is no difference between ethnic Russians and ethnic "Ukrainians". Its just two names applied to parts of the same nation - like Yankees and Southerners. Before around 1917, no one had ever heard of Ukraine as a nation, Ukrainians as a people, or Ukrainian as a language because they were invented in that year by the German General Staff. Don't believe me, check Google's N-gram's on it. The two groups look the same, have the same genetics, speak the same language, worship in the same Church. The Ukrainian language is just a sort of pidgin Russian created and formalized from an admixture of Polish and German loanwords. More educated Russians might patiently explain to you it is a sort of Russian ebonics. I defy you to somehow give an accurate border between ethnic "Russian" and "Ukrainian" populations or between languages that can in any way be supported by real facts on the ground instead of your emotions.

As far as Ukrainian state statistics go, people who answer "Russian" on the Ukrainian census form are those who felt no attachement to the Ukrainian state, while those who answered Ukrainian did.

That being said, if you want to try somehow to define where Russians live, use of the formal Russian written language in everyday life might be a good place to start. In that case, the overwhelming majority of Ukrainians are Russians, as the language border by written useage is somewhere over by Vinnitsya. See this map concerning user written language on VKontakte:

http://progressivepress.com/pix/KrimLangMap.jpg

Or you could say that “Great Russians” are an artificial nation created as a Kievan colony under Scandinavian leadership out of Slavicized Finnic and Aryan tribes and gradually conquered Turkic peoples. The so-called “Russian language” is only a type of ebonics that came out of a mix of Church Slavic and colloquial Slavic dialects on a Finno-Ugric substrate. Even the name “Russian” is stolen and us actual natives still call the Swedes the Rus; the pretenders who try to present themselves as a people called “Russians” have no name as a nation and they are simply called Slavs (Wends).

“Russians” are no longer pure Europeans due to the assimilation of part-Asiatic Finno-Ugric peoples while Ukrainian-speaking Ukrainians have no Mongoloid component; the two peoples can hardly be said to have the same genetics when they’re not even fully the same race anymore.

You can slander any people but what never seems to amaze me is why do so many people just take the ridiculous stuff coming from Russians seriously. No, it’s not at all like the American Civil War. What would Americans have thought of it if the Gettysburg address had been about blasting Borat like propaganda about New England dialects being the real English language while Southern dialects are just pidgin, a form of ebonics, not even real language blah blah blah (hell they actually spoke genuine creole languages down there)? Any American talking like that would have been laughed at.

It also never ceases to amaze me how many Russians think that they have some chance of getting Eastern Europe as their willing empire when all they offer to even their supposedly closest relatives is slander and contempt. To Finns they just look like a giant banana republic of pale Borats.

“Russians” are no longer pure Europeans due to the assimilation of part-Asiatic Finno-Ugric peoples

North Europeans such as the British and probably Swedes will no longer be pure European either in about 50 years. They'll have an obvious African-Arab-Pakistani infusion in their looks, culture and intelligence. And they're doing it with righteous enthusiasm. So, which mongrels will you prefer?

Or you could say that "Great Russians" are an artificial nation created as a Kievan colony under Scandinavian leadership out of Slavicized Finnic and Aryan tribes and gradually conquered Turkic peoples. The so-called "Russian language" is only a type of ebonics that came out of a mix of Church Slavic and colloquial Slavic dialects on a Finno-Ugric substrate. Even the name "Russian" is stolen and us actual natives still call the Swedes the Rus; the pretenders who try to present themselves as a people called "Russians" have no name as a nation and they are simply called Slavs (Wends).

"Russians" are no longer pure Europeans due to the assimilation of part-Asiatic Finno-Ugric peoples while Ukrainian-speaking Ukrainians have no Mongoloid component; the two peoples can hardly be said to have the same genetics when they're not even fully the same race anymore.

You can slander any people but what never seems to amaze me is why do so many people just take the ridiculous stuff coming from Russians seriously. No, it's not at all like the American Civil War. What would Americans have thought of it if the Gettysburg address had been about blasting Borat like propaganda about New England dialects being the real English language while Southern dialects are just pidgin, a form of ebonics, not even real language blah blah blah (hell they actually spoke genuine creole languages down there)? Any American talking like that would have been laughed at.

It also never ceases to amaze me how many Russians think that they have some chance of getting Eastern Europe as their willing empire when all they offer to even their supposedly closest relatives is slander and contempt. To Finns they just look like a giant banana republic of pale Borats.

“Russians” are no longer pure Europeans due to the assimilation of part-Asiatic Finno-Ugric peoples

North Europeans such as the British and probably Swedes will no longer be pure European either in about 50 years. They’ll have an obvious African-Arab-Pakistani infusion in their looks, culture and intelligence. And they’re doing it with righteous enthusiasm. So, which mongrels will you prefer?

North Europeans such as the British and probably Swedes will no longer be pure European either in about 50 years. They’ll have an obvious African-Arab-Pakistani infusion in their looks, culture and intelligence. And they’re doing it with righteous enthusiasm. So, which mongrels will you prefer?

“Russians” are no longer pure Europeans due to the assimilation of part-Asiatic Finno-Ugric peoples

North Europeans such as the British and probably Swedes will no longer be pure European either in about 50 years. They'll have an obvious African-Arab-Pakistani infusion in their looks, culture and intelligence. And they're doing it with righteous enthusiasm. So, which mongrels will you prefer?

North Europeans such as the British and probably Swedes will no longer be pure European either in about 50 years. They’ll have an obvious African-Arab-Pakistani infusion in their looks, culture and intelligence. And they’re doing it with righteous enthusiasm. So, which mongrels will you prefer?

"Because the larger problem of smart young rural whites being discriminated by elite institutions on the Coasts is not going to be solved or worsened by a handful of smart Columbians becoming assimilated."

Horsepuckies. The *effort* required politically to even get some sort of immigration restriction going is IMMENSE. It quite possibly is equal to the effort to get North Dakota U upgraded -- Or, greater, I say.

I believe this because I lived in California in 1994 during the passage of Prop 187, the eminently reasonable prop to deny state-funded welfare bennies to illegal aliens -- the last-ditch effort of White California to Save our State. It was overturned by the lovely Mariana Pfaelzer, judge appointed by Jimmy Carter to the United States District Court for the Central District of California, despite MASSIVELY winning its popular vote from the good citizens (mostly White back then) of California.

If such *minimal,* utterly *reasonable* anti-immigration measures as Prop 107, to deny WELFARE to aliens who AREN'T EVEN SUPPOSED TO BE HERE, are overturned, then WHAT possible political chance could *any* law restricting non-White immigration, no matter how well thought-out, possibly have? None at all.

"Furthermore, a restrictive, but smart/assimilative immigration system is more easily achieved legally achieved legally and politically than a total ban on immigration or a white-only immigration"

Oh really? You actually believe legal means will EVER be used to control non-White immigration? Even after California's attempt, and Arizona's attempt, and Tom Tancredo's run for president was utterly torpedoed by the pro-mass-immigration left? Even though there are PLENTY of laws on the books, and have been there for eons, but are simply *not* enforced?

And who said I'm arguing for a White-only immigration policy, anyway? I'm all for an immigration moratorium. We're all full up here.

"But I don’t think “upgrading” the University of North Dakota would solve the kind of problems you have in mind. Contrary to what you think, smart lads in the prairies don’t “wither,” they often go to high quality, if not elite, universities and end up doing upper middle class jobs either at home or, more lucratively, in coastal areas. Both coasts are full of smart young people from the prairies."

Horseshit. Did you even *bother* to look at my link?

And as far as this "often" word you use --which is plain crap, it's MUCH more than "often"-- but nonetheless even YOU have to admit that "often" leaves plenty smart White prairie lads who DIDN'T get to go to "high quality, if not elite, universities and end up doing upper middle class jobs either at home or, more lucratively, in coastal areas."
And those young White prairie lads left over who DIDN'T get to go, as I said, far OUTNUMBER those few Columbians and Somalis you MIGHT find, assuming you even COULD get some kind of a restriction based on reasonable criteria and then do the work of assimilating them.

Folks like you, non-White immigrants, are, as far as I have seen, (which is a long way) are ALWAYS in favor of immigration. Oh, sure, you'll couch it as restricted and "we'll assimilate 'em" and all that pretty talk, but it's just the nose under the camel's tent. You non-White immigrants know which side your bread is buttered on -- and which side of the world your cousins and other ethnic genetic interests are.

Meanwhile, MY ethnic genetic interests are best served by upgrading Middle-American universities, NOT by importing third-worlders, not any. Not now, not ever.

The *effort* required politically to even get some sort of immigration restriction going is IMMENSE. It quite possibly is equal to the effort to get North Dakota U upgraded — Or, greater, I say.

Yes, in terms of political effort perhaps. But those two are apples and oranges.

In terms of political effort, I would suggest that a smart, restrictive immigration would take less effort than a moratorium. Or do you believe that a moratorium would be easier to achieve than what I propose?

One of the political lessons that the gun rights movement has learned over the decades is that, since the 1968 Gun Control Act, the gun control folks have engaged in incremental changes to achieve greater and greater restriction. A frontal assault against that failed repeatedly. Meanwhile, incremental efforts against them have succeeded spectacularly, and now we are at a situation in which more Americans favor gun rights than gun control. Unprecedented. There is a lesson there, something you seem not to grasp.

My preference would be: 1) a highly restrictive immigration system that lets in a few exceptional individuals who would benefit the country and would be easy to assimilate, 2) total ban, 3) skills-based (not family reunification-based) immigration, and finally 4) the status quo. In that order.

So, I’d be pretty happy with a total ban. But I think it’s unrealistic and would face dramatically greater resistance than 1) and 3).

Folks like you

You are one classy person. Just address me and my points. Don’t need to pigeonhole me as “folks.”

You non-White immigrants know which side your bread is buttered on — and which side of the world your cousins and other ethnic genetic interests are.

Are you saying that I don’t love my wife and my children (and, judging from my children’s dating preferences, my future grandkids)? Are you saying I care about some random Asians over my own progeny?

Stop frothing at the mouth, and listen to me and listen good. My people are my wife, my children, her family, my blood brothers who braved dangers with me overseas and friends (mostly very conservative whites), and my neighbors (90%+ whites). I love them. I have shed blood for them and for my adopted country – OUR country. Stop insulting me with this stupid “ethnic genetic interests” talk.

I have a couple of distant cousins who immigrated here. I don’t know them all that well, and even if I did, I wouldn’t put their interests ahead of my people as described above. In any case, I think that immigration restriction would benefit them too (they’re already here!).

The rest of my close “ethnic” kin are leading happy and prosperous lives back in East Asia. They don’t want to emigrate. They live in a very technologically advanced, low crime country that is most certainly not a “Third World hellhole.” They have no interest in trading their lives for those of immigrants in the U.S. (they all think *I* am a crazy person, because I gave up a life of luxury, comfort, and status to be a gun-toting hillbilly in America, because I fell in love with it head over heels).

Meanwhile, MY ethnic genetic interests

Look, I get that you only care about whites. Fine. That’s your choice. But don’t project and then use that as an excuse for being insulting and rude.

I care deeply about this country and about Americans. I fully accept and appreciate that the dominant culture of this country is and should be the traditional Anglo-American culture. I further accept that its historical Northern European majority should be preserved as such. But I care about *all* my fellow Americans and want all of us to do better (yes, even blacks, with whose members I had many physical altercations when I was younger). To me, that is what it means to be patriotic.

You don’t have to subscribe to that. That’s your God-given right. But don’t keep insulting me like I am some sort of a Trojan Horse out to get white Americans with nefarious motives. At least do me the courtesy of arguing with my ideas. After all, are you here just to emote or actually convince others about immigration restriction/moratorium?

Look, I get that you only care about whites. Fine. That’s your choice. But don’t project and then use that as an excuse for being insulting and rude.

People have a tendency to project their worldviews onto others, i.e. if I am a tribalistic sectarian, all others must be like me, or its corollary, that the only reason any other whites are not like me is because they are tribalistic sectarians, but for non-white tribes.

“After all, are you here just to emote or actually convince others about immigration restriction/moratorium?”

Oh, I think I am doing an *excellent* job of convincing others about immigration moratorium. …By using *YOU* as a marvelous example of what really comes when a people *thinks* it’s getting just a few, carefully chosen, assimilable non-White foreigners (like you).
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I’m not even trying to convince YOU, Twinkles. I’m working on the newbies and lurkers here who don’t realize what your ilk are really up to.

Oh, I think I am doing an *excellent* job of convincing others about immigration moratorium.

You certainly are a legend in your own mind. Certainly you are a fine example of the unfortunate trend in America today - high confidence + low achievement.

By using *YOU* as a marvelous example of what really comes when a people *thinks* it’s getting just a few, carefully chosen, assimilable non-White foreigners (like you).

Let's see. I intermarried a white person and my kids will likely marry whites as well (judging from the older ones' dating preferences). My descendants will be mostly white in genetics and will be indistinguishable from other white Americans. And my children are being raised as patriotic, conservative, and virtuous Christian Americans.

I am active in conservative politics and give both my money and time for the same (and by "conservative," I do not mean establishment "conservatives"). I am well-educated, law-abiding, and patriotic. I served my country overseas to protect its national interest. I am for a drastic reduction of, and limitation in, immigration (just not a total ban, which I do prefer to the current situation given no other alternative, but I'd like to leave some room for latter-day Wernher von Braun's of the world). And I love and admire the traditional Angl0-American culture and indeed the finest cultural traditions of the West, and have transmitted the same to my children (who have been educated in Western canon).

Please do tell what harm I have brought to our country. And while I was shedding blood overseas for our country, what have *you* done?

what your ilk are really up to

"Your ilk"? Very nice. I can practically see the foam around your mouth.

I am pretty sure your fellow white nationalists/supremacists are "down" with that kind of talk. But then you'd be preaching to the choir. I thought the idea was to convince people who haven't made up their minds yet, no?

Here’s my answer to Twinkie’s: “Or do you believe that a moratorium would be easier to achieve than what I propose?”

Absolutely a moratorium would be more achievable than any immigration restrictions that have the effect of excluding non-White immigrants more than White immigrants.

Because: We can simply deflect the howls of “RACIST” by taking the tack, no, sorry, we’re all full up here. (Which we are. Traffic in the cities sucks, which even the most stubbornly boneheaded libtard will admit to himself.)

"and then you see a bunch of interracial black and white couples running around with their kids. And this is in these little farm communities, and you’ve got Latinos in the classroom when you visit the schools there."

This is true. I see it all over even in affluent white communities. White women surrender their wombs to blacks, and white boys have accepted their wimp status.

Look at grammy's.

Kanye struts around as he pleases and white guys just pee in their pants.

White guys are gutless and spineless. And white women worship the Negro. It's game over. Really.

All we can do now is record and comment on the downfall.

This is true. I see it all over even in affluent white communities. White women surrender their wombs to blacks, and white boys have accepted their wimp status….

The *effort* required politically to even get some sort of immigration restriction going is IMMENSE. It quite possibly is equal to the effort to get North Dakota U upgraded — Or, greater, I say.

Yes, in terms of political effort perhaps. But those two are apples and oranges.

In terms of political effort, I would suggest that a smart, restrictive immigration would take less effort than a moratorium. Or do you believe that a moratorium would be easier to achieve than what I propose?

One of the political lessons that the gun rights movement has learned over the decades is that, since the 1968 Gun Control Act, the gun control folks have engaged in incremental changes to achieve greater and greater restriction. A frontal assault against that failed repeatedly. Meanwhile, incremental efforts against them have succeeded spectacularly, and now we are at a situation in which more Americans favor gun rights than gun control. Unprecedented. There is a lesson there, something you seem not to grasp.

My preference would be: 1) a highly restrictive immigration system that lets in a few exceptional individuals who would benefit the country and would be easy to assimilate, 2) total ban, 3) skills-based (not family reunification-based) immigration, and finally 4) the status quo. In that order.

So, I'd be pretty happy with a total ban. But I think it's unrealistic and would face dramatically greater resistance than 1) and 3).

Folks like you

You are one classy person. Just address me and my points. Don't need to pigeonhole me as "folks."

You non-White immigrants know which side your bread is buttered on — and which side of the world your cousins and other ethnic genetic interests are.

Are you saying that I don't love my wife and my children (and, judging from my children's dating preferences, my future grandkids)? Are you saying I care about some random Asians over my own progeny?

Stop frothing at the mouth, and listen to me and listen good. My people are my wife, my children, her family, my blood brothers who braved dangers with me overseas and friends (mostly very conservative whites), and my neighbors (90%+ whites). I love them. I have shed blood for them and for my adopted country - OUR country. Stop insulting me with this stupid "ethnic genetic interests" talk.

I have a couple of distant cousins who immigrated here. I don't know them all that well, and even if I did, I wouldn't put their interests ahead of my people as described above. In any case, I think that immigration restriction would benefit them too (they're already here!).

The rest of my close "ethnic" kin are leading happy and prosperous lives back in East Asia. They don't want to emigrate. They live in a very technologically advanced, low crime country that is most certainly not a "Third World hellhole." They have no interest in trading their lives for those of immigrants in the U.S. (they all think *I* am a crazy person, because I gave up a life of luxury, comfort, and status to be a gun-toting hillbilly in America, because I fell in love with it head over heels).

Meanwhile, MY ethnic genetic interests

Look, I get that you only care about whites. Fine. That's your choice. But don't project and then use that as an excuse for being insulting and rude.

I care deeply about this country and about Americans. I fully accept and appreciate that the dominant culture of this country is and should be the traditional Anglo-American culture. I further accept that its historical Northern European majority should be preserved as such. But I care about *all* my fellow Americans and want all of us to do better (yes, even blacks, with whose members I had many physical altercations when I was younger). To me, that is what it means to be patriotic.

You don't have to subscribe to that. That's your God-given right. But don't keep insulting me like I am some sort of a Trojan Horse out to get white Americans with nefarious motives. At least do me the courtesy of arguing with my ideas. After all, are you here just to emote or actually convince others about immigration restriction/moratorium?

So, I’d be pretty happy with a total ban. But I think it’s unrealistic and would face dramatically greater resistance than 1) and 3).

But Twinkie; I mean…if that were the policy 50 years ago…(when it would have worked) you would have grown up in Seoul, Taipei, Okinawa, or wherever…

But Twinkie; I mean…if that were the policy 50 years ago…(when it would have worked) you would have grown up in Seoul, Taipei, Okinawa, or wherever…

Sure. And if that policy were in place 150 years ago, a sizable number of Americans would not be here today and would be growing up in Dublin, Berlin, Warsaw, Rome, what have you.

As Mr. Sailer says, let's work for the present "shareholders" of the country. I am one already. We should fight for our children and their peers, fellow young Americans.

I'd rather spend time protecting people who are already Americans against those who are not, rather than waste my energy on sub-dividing existing Americans into who is or is not a "real" American and engage in civil strife.

The *effort* required politically to even get some sort of immigration restriction going is IMMENSE. It quite possibly is equal to the effort to get North Dakota U upgraded — Or, greater, I say.

Yes, in terms of political effort perhaps. But those two are apples and oranges.

In terms of political effort, I would suggest that a smart, restrictive immigration would take less effort than a moratorium. Or do you believe that a moratorium would be easier to achieve than what I propose?

One of the political lessons that the gun rights movement has learned over the decades is that, since the 1968 Gun Control Act, the gun control folks have engaged in incremental changes to achieve greater and greater restriction. A frontal assault against that failed repeatedly. Meanwhile, incremental efforts against them have succeeded spectacularly, and now we are at a situation in which more Americans favor gun rights than gun control. Unprecedented. There is a lesson there, something you seem not to grasp.

My preference would be: 1) a highly restrictive immigration system that lets in a few exceptional individuals who would benefit the country and would be easy to assimilate, 2) total ban, 3) skills-based (not family reunification-based) immigration, and finally 4) the status quo. In that order.

So, I'd be pretty happy with a total ban. But I think it's unrealistic and would face dramatically greater resistance than 1) and 3).

Folks like you

You are one classy person. Just address me and my points. Don't need to pigeonhole me as "folks."

You non-White immigrants know which side your bread is buttered on — and which side of the world your cousins and other ethnic genetic interests are.

Are you saying that I don't love my wife and my children (and, judging from my children's dating preferences, my future grandkids)? Are you saying I care about some random Asians over my own progeny?

Stop frothing at the mouth, and listen to me and listen good. My people are my wife, my children, her family, my blood brothers who braved dangers with me overseas and friends (mostly very conservative whites), and my neighbors (90%+ whites). I love them. I have shed blood for them and for my adopted country - OUR country. Stop insulting me with this stupid "ethnic genetic interests" talk.

I have a couple of distant cousins who immigrated here. I don't know them all that well, and even if I did, I wouldn't put their interests ahead of my people as described above. In any case, I think that immigration restriction would benefit them too (they're already here!).

The rest of my close "ethnic" kin are leading happy and prosperous lives back in East Asia. They don't want to emigrate. They live in a very technologically advanced, low crime country that is most certainly not a "Third World hellhole." They have no interest in trading their lives for those of immigrants in the U.S. (they all think *I* am a crazy person, because I gave up a life of luxury, comfort, and status to be a gun-toting hillbilly in America, because I fell in love with it head over heels).

Meanwhile, MY ethnic genetic interests

Look, I get that you only care about whites. Fine. That's your choice. But don't project and then use that as an excuse for being insulting and rude.

I care deeply about this country and about Americans. I fully accept and appreciate that the dominant culture of this country is and should be the traditional Anglo-American culture. I further accept that its historical Northern European majority should be preserved as such. But I care about *all* my fellow Americans and want all of us to do better (yes, even blacks, with whose members I had many physical altercations when I was younger). To me, that is what it means to be patriotic.

You don't have to subscribe to that. That's your God-given right. But don't keep insulting me like I am some sort of a Trojan Horse out to get white Americans with nefarious motives. At least do me the courtesy of arguing with my ideas. After all, are you here just to emote or actually convince others about immigration restriction/moratorium?

"As an Asian male I'm worried that whites will reject all people...including wonderfully genteel people like myself who aren't troublemakers...because that would be bad for me because then I would not get to take part in a white society and white economic system"

Your post was nothing but self-interest. If your children are mixed race then that frankly is your own fault and you should have thought ahead and gone through multiple future scenarios in your mind before picking a marriage partner.

My advice? Pick a side and stick with it.

Whites...even ultra-nationalist whites...are the most tolerant people on the planet. If I knew there was an Asian male who said "I support you...I don't want Asian women marrying your men and your men marrying my Asian women and we will unite in this common bond of protecting borders...even if that means I and my progeny would have to live amongst....*gasp* other Asians...I am fine with that" I'd be much more inclined to make exceptions here and there for people I know post no threat to my world view.

You either believe in culture and nations or you don't. You either believe Chinese should be living in China or you don't. There is no Grey Area.

It's not my problem as a white person if quite a few Asian people don't want to live in Asia...and Even Worse...Don't Want To Fight to Make Asia a better, more Liveable Place.

I'm working on my 'nation'...go work on yours.

“It’s not my problem as a white person if quite a few Asian people don’t want to live in Asia…and Even Worse…Don’t Want To Fight to Make Asia a better, more Liveable Place.
I’m working on my ‘nation’…go work on yours.”

Are you sure you don’t want that membership in the Anti-White Coaltion, Twinkie? I’ll offer you a discount this month only.

Are you sure you don’t want that membership in the Anti-White Coaltion, Twinkie? I’ll offer you a discount this month only.

In all seriousness and for the umpteenth time... My wife is very, very white. My children are half-whites. Why would I join a coalition that is against my wife and children, whom I love more than my own life? That would be monstrous!

It might be a significant problem that a lot of apparently bitter or religious-in-some-confused-sense people went into the US legal system and tried to change the world. They can sure break things. The US legal system seems ultimately on a collision course with the very idea of democracy.

@Steve I can almost see you connecting the dots between yesterday’s post and this. That is why I always read you in chronological order! I’ve been thinking about going back to 9/11 and reading you from there, but that might be venturing into stalker territory.

"As an Asian male I'm worried that whites will reject all people...including wonderfully genteel people like myself who aren't troublemakers...because that would be bad for me because then I would not get to take part in a white society and white economic system"

Your post was nothing but self-interest. If your children are mixed race then that frankly is your own fault and you should have thought ahead and gone through multiple future scenarios in your mind before picking a marriage partner.

My advice? Pick a side and stick with it.

Whites...even ultra-nationalist whites...are the most tolerant people on the planet. If I knew there was an Asian male who said "I support you...I don't want Asian women marrying your men and your men marrying my Asian women and we will unite in this common bond of protecting borders...even if that means I and my progeny would have to live amongst....*gasp* other Asians...I am fine with that" I'd be much more inclined to make exceptions here and there for people I know post no threat to my world view.

You either believe in culture and nations or you don't. You either believe Chinese should be living in China or you don't. There is no Grey Area.

It's not my problem as a white person if quite a few Asian people don't want to live in Asia...and Even Worse...Don't Want To Fight to Make Asia a better, more Liveable Place.

I'm working on my 'nation'...go work on yours.

wonderfully genteel people like myself who aren’t troublemakers

That’s where you are wrong, sport. I am a troublemaker, but I am that to the wrong sorts of people. Like enemies of America overseas and domestic lefitsts.

Your post was nothing but self-interest.

If I were strictly into material self-interest, I’d join my fellow “one percenters” and welcome my new indentured servants.

But I care very deeply about my adopted country. My belief in, and defense of, traditional Anglo-American culture, including Christianity, is motivated by this love. I’ve braved dangers overseas for my country. I’ve forsaken an easy life in the country of my birth and have led an often difficult and maligned life in my adopted one. You can argue that my ideas about the future of the country are wrong. But your accusation of self-interest is unjust and illogical.

If your children are mixed race then that frankly is your own fault and you should have thought ahead and gone through multiple future scenarios in your mind before picking a marriage partner

You seem to not know about this concept called love.

My “own fault”? My children are extremely blessed. They are born of moral, well-educated, athletic, and attractive parents who worked very hard to build a prosperous family for them. My sincere hope is that they understand how blessed they are and embrace noblesse oblige. Certainly their mother and I have strongly emphasized Christian virtue and patriotism.

I’d be much more inclined to make exceptions here and there for people I know post no threat to my world view.

Well, then, it’s good that you are not the emperor of America. I don’t need your acceptance. I have been accepted as a full peer in law by the state and in spirit by my wife, her family, my friends and blood-brothers, my neighbors, and fellow community members. I am an American already. We are now discussing about *future* Americans.

You either believe in culture and nations or you don’t. You either believe Chinese should be living in China or you don’t. There is no Grey Area.

Of course I believe in cultures and nations. But you seem not to know that they do not *perfectly* coincide with race or ethnicity (which are also terms that are not biologically perfectly discrete). Of course, they sometimes or frequently overlap significantly, but these terms have never been perfect synonyms.

I’m working on my ‘nation’…go work on yours.

As I put before, I am already an American, no matter how you feel about it.

"After all, are you here just to emote or actually convince others about immigration restriction/moratorium?"

Oh, I think I am doing an *excellent* job of convincing others about immigration moratorium. ...By using *YOU* as a marvelous example of what really comes when a people *thinks* it's getting just a few, carefully chosen, assimilable non-White foreigners (like you).
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I'm not even trying to convince YOU, Twinkles. I'm working on the newbies and lurkers here who don't realize what your ilk are really up to.

Oh, I think I am doing an *excellent* job of convincing others about immigration moratorium.

You certainly are a legend in your own mind. Certainly you are a fine example of the unfortunate trend in America today – high confidence + low achievement.

By using *YOU* as a marvelous example of what really comes when a people *thinks* it’s getting just a few, carefully chosen, assimilable non-White foreigners (like you).

Let’s see. I intermarried a white person and my kids will likely marry whites as well (judging from the older ones’ dating preferences). My descendants will be mostly white in genetics and will be indistinguishable from other white Americans. And my children are being raised as patriotic, conservative, and virtuous Christian Americans.

I am active in conservative politics and give both my money and time for the same (and by “conservative,” I do not mean establishment “conservatives”). I am well-educated, law-abiding, and patriotic. I served my country overseas to protect its national interest. I am for a drastic reduction of, and limitation in, immigration (just not a total ban, which I do prefer to the current situation given no other alternative, but I’d like to leave some room for latter-day Wernher von Braun’s of the world). And I love and admire the traditional Angl0-American culture and indeed the finest cultural traditions of the West, and have transmitted the same to my children (who have been educated in Western canon).

Please do tell what harm I have brought to our country. And while I was shedding blood overseas for our country, what have *you* done?

what your ilk are really up to

“Your ilk”? Very nice. I can practically see the foam around your mouth.

I am pretty sure your fellow white nationalists/supremacists are “down” with that kind of talk. But then you’d be preaching to the choir. I thought the idea was to convince people who haven’t made up their minds yet, no?

So, I’d be pretty happy with a total ban. But I think it’s unrealistic and would face dramatically greater resistance than 1) and 3).

But Twinkie; I mean...if that were the policy 50 years ago...(when it would have worked) you would have grown up in Seoul, Taipei, Okinawa, or wherever...

But Twinkie; I mean…if that were the policy 50 years ago…(when it would have worked) you would have grown up in Seoul, Taipei, Okinawa, or wherever…

Sure. And if that policy were in place 150 years ago, a sizable number of Americans would not be here today and would be growing up in Dublin, Berlin, Warsaw, Rome, what have you.

As Mr. Sailer says, let’s work for the present “shareholders” of the country. I am one already. We should fight for our children and their peers, fellow young Americans.

I’d rather spend time protecting people who are already Americans against those who are not, rather than waste my energy on sub-dividing existing Americans into who is or is not a “real” American and engage in civil strife.

"It’s not my problem as a white person if quite a few Asian people don’t want to live in Asia…and Even Worse…Don’t Want To Fight to Make Asia a better, more Liveable Place.
I’m working on my ‘nation’…go work on yours."

Are you sure you don't want that membership in the Anti-White Coaltion, Twinkie? I'll offer you a discount this month only.

Are you sure you don’t want that membership in the Anti-White Coaltion, Twinkie? I’ll offer you a discount this month only.

In all seriousness and for the umpteenth time… My wife is very, very white. My children are half-whites. Why would I join a coalition that is against my wife and children, whom I love more than my own life? That would be monstrous!

The *effort* required politically to even get some sort of immigration restriction going is IMMENSE. It quite possibly is equal to the effort to get North Dakota U upgraded — Or, greater, I say.

Yes, in terms of political effort perhaps. But those two are apples and oranges.

In terms of political effort, I would suggest that a smart, restrictive immigration would take less effort than a moratorium. Or do you believe that a moratorium would be easier to achieve than what I propose?

One of the political lessons that the gun rights movement has learned over the decades is that, since the 1968 Gun Control Act, the gun control folks have engaged in incremental changes to achieve greater and greater restriction. A frontal assault against that failed repeatedly. Meanwhile, incremental efforts against them have succeeded spectacularly, and now we are at a situation in which more Americans favor gun rights than gun control. Unprecedented. There is a lesson there, something you seem not to grasp.

My preference would be: 1) a highly restrictive immigration system that lets in a few exceptional individuals who would benefit the country and would be easy to assimilate, 2) total ban, 3) skills-based (not family reunification-based) immigration, and finally 4) the status quo. In that order.

So, I'd be pretty happy with a total ban. But I think it's unrealistic and would face dramatically greater resistance than 1) and 3).

Folks like you

You are one classy person. Just address me and my points. Don't need to pigeonhole me as "folks."

You non-White immigrants know which side your bread is buttered on — and which side of the world your cousins and other ethnic genetic interests are.

Are you saying that I don't love my wife and my children (and, judging from my children's dating preferences, my future grandkids)? Are you saying I care about some random Asians over my own progeny?

Stop frothing at the mouth, and listen to me and listen good. My people are my wife, my children, her family, my blood brothers who braved dangers with me overseas and friends (mostly very conservative whites), and my neighbors (90%+ whites). I love them. I have shed blood for them and for my adopted country - OUR country. Stop insulting me with this stupid "ethnic genetic interests" talk.

I have a couple of distant cousins who immigrated here. I don't know them all that well, and even if I did, I wouldn't put their interests ahead of my people as described above. In any case, I think that immigration restriction would benefit them too (they're already here!).

The rest of my close "ethnic" kin are leading happy and prosperous lives back in East Asia. They don't want to emigrate. They live in a very technologically advanced, low crime country that is most certainly not a "Third World hellhole." They have no interest in trading their lives for those of immigrants in the U.S. (they all think *I* am a crazy person, because I gave up a life of luxury, comfort, and status to be a gun-toting hillbilly in America, because I fell in love with it head over heels).

Meanwhile, MY ethnic genetic interests

Look, I get that you only care about whites. Fine. That's your choice. But don't project and then use that as an excuse for being insulting and rude.

I care deeply about this country and about Americans. I fully accept and appreciate that the dominant culture of this country is and should be the traditional Anglo-American culture. I further accept that its historical Northern European majority should be preserved as such. But I care about *all* my fellow Americans and want all of us to do better (yes, even blacks, with whose members I had many physical altercations when I was younger). To me, that is what it means to be patriotic.

You don't have to subscribe to that. That's your God-given right. But don't keep insulting me like I am some sort of a Trojan Horse out to get white Americans with nefarious motives. At least do me the courtesy of arguing with my ideas. After all, are you here just to emote or actually convince others about immigration restriction/moratorium?

Look, I get that you only care about whites. Fine. That’s your choice. But don’t project and then use that as an excuse for being insulting and rude.

People have a tendency to project their worldviews onto others, i.e. if I am a tribalistic sectarian, all others must be like me, or its corollary, that the only reason any other whites are not like me is because they are tribalistic sectarians, but for non-white tribes.

[…] is critical to having a good society, Krugman sings the praises of the demise of White America and Obama’s grand project of replacing the nation with nothing more than “a hodgepodge of folks.” So nice to hear ethnic […]

Sometimes, not always, but sometimes, in rare moments of despair, I wonder whether there is any longer space for an old-style assimilationist that I am. I feel caught between the dominant and suffocating paradigm of "hodge-podge" multiculturalists who are constructing a world without a center on the one hand and on the other the increasingly embittered minority, but possibly growing number, of white nationalists who advocate a purist white ethno-state.

I know that does not capture the reality in its totality. I can see that from interacting with my family-by-marriage, my friends, my neighbors, and other community members. But on the ether of the internet and the blogosphere, there seems to this binary, Manichean construct of either hodge-podgism or racial fundamentalism.

So I find Mr. Sailer's "citizenism" refreshing in a "retro" sort of way, founded upon an HBD/race realist foundation but also gentlemanly and hopeful at the same time. May it be the future again.

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