DelPen wrote:20 gauge mossberg 500 or Remington 870 with reduced recoil buckshot. And what mac5155 said as far as stock and grip. Sometimes you can get a set with an 18" barrell for home defense and a 24-28" barrell that should have removable choke tubes if you ever want to hunt.

Magpul makes a great stock for the Remington 870. Wish they would hurry up and do one for Mossberg.

My buddy has a composite mossberg 500 tactical in camo. it shoots very nice and is smooth, just feels cheap compared to my 870 express supermag, and was also about $200 more. He put a forward grip on the pump and it came with a collapsible stock too.

There seems to be more accessories for Mossberg than Remington if you want to go all "tacticool". But if I could do it over I'd go with the Remington just to get that Magpul stock. But both have a long history of reliability and are relatively cheap. Whatever feels better in your hand go with that.

I advise a stock that has a pistol grip in conjunction with a shoulder stock, as shown in this Mossberg 590A1 Tactical: http://mossberg.com/product/shotguns-pu ... able/53693. I would avoid the shotguns that have only a pistol grip and no shoulder stock. While they look cool, the recoil of a shotgun really calls for shoulder support, and those guns are much harder to shoot quickly and accurately.

Shyster wrote:I advise a stock that has a pistol grip in conjunction with a shoulder stock, as shown in this Mossberg 590A1 Tactical: http://mossberg.com/product/shotguns-pu ... able/53693. I would avoid the shotguns that have only a pistol grip and no shoulder stock. While they look cool, the recoil of a shotgun really calls for shoulder support, and those guns are much harder to shoot quickly and accurately.

Yeah I guess I should say my Chainsaw gun was a little tongue in cheek, and partly because I WANT ONE REALLY FRIGGING BAD.

mac5155 wrote:Yeah I guess I should say my Chainsaw gun was a little tongue in cheek, and partly because I WANT ONE REALLY FRIGGING BAD.

It does look bad-ass, doesn't it? But I think DropEmJayBird's wife would probably find it a little hard to handle.

My Remington 870 came with what is now called the Blackhawk! SpecOps NRS Shotgun Stock (it was still Knoxx when I bought it), and it does a good job of soaking up recoil. Also, the adjustible stock would be great for a gun that will be used by two different people. It would let both Jay and his wife adjust to their own dimensions. I recommend a stock like that one.

PensFanInDC wrote:TULA ammo, also known as the cheapest ammo you can get, just went from $4.95 a box to $10.95 a box at walmart (20 rounds .762). wth?

Have a picture of the price tag? Tula when asked about some people jacking up prices said that they are still selling at the price they have been for months. I haven't seen Walmart increase prices on anything yet but no one an keep anything in stock except for long action hunting rounds.

PensFanInDC wrote:TULA ammo, also known as the cheapest ammo you can get, just went from $4.95 a box to $10.95 a box at walmart (20 rounds .762). wth?

Have a picture of the price tag? Tula when asked about some people jacking up prices said that they are still selling at the price they have been for months. I haven't seen Walmart increase prices on anything yet but no one an keep anything in stock except for long action hunting rounds.

I really don't understand that at all. The 2A does not in any way deal with the keeping and bearing of arms for hunting. If an outdoors/hunting-centric show wants to bar certain types of vendors, then so be it. It's not an assault on our liberty, it's a private organization showing itself to be not tone deaf.

The AR-15 platform was the best selling hunting rifle the last few years and has gained a wide acceptance for smaller game and with the new .300 AAC round all you need is a new barrell and you can take down deer consistantly from longer distances unlike the .223.

There are a lot of hunters who don't see the "need" for 30 round magazines and auto-loading rifles. As long as you don't come for their guns they don't care about anyone else's.

In the same way the promoter is free to ban what they want to call assault rifles the vendors are free to not come to sell their items. Door swings both ways.

Ultimately Reed is giving credence to an assault weapons ban by agreeing that scary black rifles are somehow different.

It is a private organization. And other private organizations and private persons are expressing their displeasure with its decision by pulling out and refusing to attend. Gun owners are a little testy right now, and I think it’s understandable that they would be displeased with a decision (as DelPen notes) that seems to give credence to the idea that MSRs are somehow inappropriate for a show that focuses on hunting and similar shooting activities.

Incidentally, Pennsylvania appears to be in a small minority in that it prohibits the use of semi-auto guns for hunting. I wasn’t able to find a comprehensive list of state laws on permitted guns for hunting, but from what I saw in running a bunch of internet searches most states do not have restrictions on action type. Some other states have limits on magazine sizes or minimum calibers or require slug shotguns, but most of them do not seem to regulate semi-autos.

Well then there's the rub, at least for PA. If this is a hunting expo then they do have a point of not allowing items you can't legally use to hunt with in PA. Granted they could have held those conditions before but then attendence wouldn't have been so good.

The AR-15 definately has a place for hunting nuisance species like coyotes, nutria and small hogs with a .223 but if I were to hunt deer I'd never use either because I don't think I'd get a clean kill and for large hogs I wouldn't trust the round even with a great shot.

Well, I see according to the NRA spokesman in that article, we're the only state with an outright prohibition on semi-autos for hunting. Given the ass-backwardness of some other things in Pennsylvania (like the liquor stores), why does that not surprise me?

I agree that .223 is a poor deer cartridge, but the platform can be chambered in things like .300 Whisper, 6.8 mm SPC, and .450 Bushmaster, which all would be effective on deer. Or one could use other semi-auto platforms like the AR-10, M1A/M14, and FAL, which as they are natively chambered in .308 would have more than enough thump to take on deer or even bigger game.