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Re: FOX News Reporting Boeing 777 Crashes In San Francisco

At least passengers were carrying their luggage off. That tells you a lot about the time they had to evacuate. Air Line industry has been doing wonders with safety - I hope it doesn't start lacking I gotta fly a couple of times this year.

Re: FOX News Reporting Boeing 777 Crashes In San Francisco

Originally Posted by Fisher

Well that is my current theory you are taking exception to

I have never flown anything close to that big, but I suppose in theory they could also have touched down nose gear first and just slammed it into the ground. Novice pilots have been known to do that in small general aviation aircraft and it rips the nose gear right off the plane.

When they were showing video from a news helicopter you could see debris in the water and the elevators strewn across the pavement within what looked like less than 100 yards from the water. There was also an easily discernible "skid mark" that began where the debris started to thin out. The nose didn't look all that damaged so I have to assume that it hit tail first at or near the sea wall. As far as why it came in short I have no idea but it sure looks to me like the plane touched down before it got to the runway.

Re: FOX News Reporting Boeing 777 Crashes In San Francisco

Originally Posted by CalGun

At least passengers were carrying their luggage off. That tells you a lot about the time they had to evacuate. Air Line industry has been doing wonders with safety - I hope it doesn't start lacking I gotta fly a couple of times this year.

Airlines won't care about safety unless there is a financial incentive to do so, and the only way for that to be the case is for a law to be passed that holds the airline legally liable for ALL aviation accidents.

Unfortunately, no such law exists. . .

The liability of the parties possibly responsible is often varied in aviation accidents. Possible liable parties may include the operators or the owners of an airline, or in other instances, supplies, manufacturers, and maintenance businesses may have been responsible. Other times, simply pilot error is to blame. Expert and experienced aviation attorneys help prove your case by finding the responsible and liable party or parties.

The ALPA needs to do a better job exposing unsafe practices within the airline industry. Although it needn't be said that all safety considerations the airlines do undertake are directly attributed to ALPA efforts.

Re: FOX News Reporting Boeing 777 Crashes In San Francisco

Originally Posted by Lutherf

When they were showing video from a news helicopter you could see debris in the water and the elevators strewn across the pavement within what looked like less than 100 yards from the water. There was also an easily discernible "skid mark" that began where the debris started to thin out. The nose didn't look all that damaged so I have to assume that it hit tail first at or near the sea wall. As far as why it came in short I have no idea but it sure looks to me like the plane touched down before it got to the runway.

The CNN live feed I saw earlier looked like the skid began at the rip wrap sea wall and the tail fins seems to be on the displaced threshold. My theory is that their main gear caught the sea wall, the back of the plane collapsed with the tail shattering, followed by the loss of the nose gear in the skid. Simple pilot error.

I one time saw a DC-9 over run a runway at a small airport on take off on a blistering hot day and but for the end of the runway being elevated, that plane would have crashed. I thought it had at first because it sent up such a massive cloud of dirt but it slowly inched upward wobbling from side to side and got going. Everybody at the airport knew that this was going to be a hard take off because it was hot, the runway length was at minimum for them, and they were taking off with a tailwind because they weren't 100% sure they could get airborne and didn't want to come down on a commercial shopping center if they didn't make it. It was a government plane. They also knew that if they stuck around they wouldn't be able to make it because the heat was working against them.

Re: FOX News Reporting Boeing 777 Crashes In San Francisco

Landing at SF is always a visual treat for the passengers. They can't see forward and only able to look out the side windows. All you see is the water below as it gets closer and closer and closer. You keep thinking show me some land underneath me. Soon as you see land the wheels seem to hit down. I realize the wheels don't hit that close to the edge but it certainly feels that way to the passenger in the back of the plane.

Re: FOX News Reporting Boeing 777 Crashes In San Francisco

Originally Posted by Crosscheck

Landing at SF is always a visual treat for the passengers. They can't see forward and only able to look out the side windows. All you see is the water below as it gets closer and closer and closer. You keep thinking show me some land underneath me. Soon as you see land the wheels seem to hit down. I realize the wheels don't hit that close to the edge but it certainly feels that way to the passenger in the back of the plane.

Boston Logan is the same.

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Re: FOX News Reporting Boeing 777 Crashes In San Francisco

hate to say it but its faux news reporting in the title,therefore its a complete lie and we need a more credible source.

naw just joking,but it reminds me of why i dont like to fly,ofcourse im more used to c-17s deploying angel flares while the crew are saying theres nothing wrong but sweating and shaking while they are saying it.

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Re: FOX News Reporting Boeing 777 Crashes In San Francisco

These incidents remind me of a "forced parachute" idea I had about planes. Something in the airplane breaks people whom have already worn parachutes before should be hijacked all out of the airplane so as to spare loss of life.

The airplane can go to hell, but why must it confine its passengers to undergo terrible fire related deaths along the way!?

Originally Posted by poweRob

Stats come out and always show life getting better. News makes money in making you think its not.