I have to wonder how do you justify your selves to associate with know thieves? Even giving them money. It's well documented that Dave IS associating with Tom, with all probability he is Tom. At least he IS actively PROTECTING Tom, if he wouldn't be, this case would be in the hands of the justice system. And HE would lead the charge in behalf of the customers. He isn't even willing to clear his own name.

Then take to an account that they at least falsify picostock user ID's to make it look more popular than it is. Why wouldn't they falsify that "stock" price? First user starts with id 19, next is somewhere over 26 and so on. Check it out your self: http://picostocks.com/users/view/1 <- change that number to check if valid user id.

Are you taking to me? Because I think you quoted the wrong guy.The community knows who Tom is and Dave isn't the problem of the justice here. He asked the costumer to do a chargeback via the bank.

I admit that I tough about investing into this, but I will be happy to lose the train.The only point in favour of this venture is the guy that made the fpga long time ago. Everything else seems just smoke.

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The community knows who Tom is and Dave isn't the problem of the justice here. He asked the costumer to do a chargeback via the bank.

Well the thing is this it what I would do, if I were to scam people. CC chargebacks have to be paid, because CC companies tend to know whom they are doing business with. So to keep up the appearances, to dodge biggest bullet and avoid biggest risks, this move makes them look "legit", and big bad CC companies happy. But people paying with CC weren't the mark, people paying with BTC were, especially people outside US.

bAsic was a scam from the get go, and I haven't seen anything different with this picostocks/100th that would indicate otherwise, on the contrary. And "Dave" by not reporting this and his involvement is actually confirming his involvement in this scam and protecting "Tom". BitcoinMagazine should do some investigative journalism on this matter, and establish them selves as a real publication.

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The only point in favour of this venture is the guy that made the fpga long time ago.

As far as I recall, the guy made nothing other than a huge black box which he claimed was an FPGA, which he then tried to sell under a ridiculous "license" in exchange for a lot of dough. Nobody bought it, and so...that guy is just a scammer that didn't manage to sell his scam so he's not proven. Yet.

http://who.is/whois/megabigpower.com** Registered Jan 18 2013. Over a month old, wowza, that old?**** By Buzz "smells like a scam" Dave, as a private person **** claims holding a 2500 sq ft warehouse, where did the money came from? I still lack over 100 BTC :/ **

This is another scam by ScamDave Inc. Nothing more.

Dave's location is listed as Everett, WA, and it is reasonable to assume the warehouse is nearby (WA has cheap power).

Dave: I live in Seattle and would gladly drive up to take a look at your facility and post a report on these forums. I am also a potential customer if the business is real and the rates are competitive.

I am in Seattle as well. I would not mind checking on something like this for the community. Plus there is an old book store in Everett I need to get back too .

So you guys are on track to start fabrication at the end of next week?

We are over 1 week late with the "completed design" milestone. After looking at the fragments of the BFL chips we decided to put more effort on simple but vital things like strong ESD protection and efficient power rails. The design will be also DRC and OPC clean before submission to IMEC, so the verification by IMEC and the foundry will be likely very short. This means that the fabrication can probably begin 1 week later than planned and the delays will be recovered later.In any case the network hashrate is much smaller than predicted. Thus the expected revenues are still very high even if we would have 1 month delay in deployment. The business plan assumed a global 200TH/s hashrate at the end of February.

Let's examine again: 1) We make amazing fpga that at least one poor bastard ordered and they delivered2) We take fuckload of BTC to "make amazing ASICS" that we never deliver3) we hold funds until we make a decent profit4) we pay bullshit money back because current rate is just fine5) profit = at least half of the BTC.

Let's examine again: 1) We make amazing fpga that at least one poor bastard ordered and they delivered2) We take fuckload of BTC to "make amazing ASICS" that we never deliver3) we hold funds until we make a decent profit4) we pay bullshit money back because current rate is just fine5) profit = at least half of the BTC.

Fuck you. Are you with on this or what?

1) About 400 MMQs were delivered.2) Yep that's what he is paying back and fucking read what I said again you illiterate moron (and yes I misspelt you're - but I don't give a fuck)

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It may well end up being a "scam" of some weird definition, if he never pays everyone back, but "from the get go"? - your full of shit.

Everything else you have said is based on some fantasy that you hope is true - sounds like the idiot arguing in #btcfpga going on and on and on and on about how he wants the 'lost profit' he could have made on the BTC since then.No court would pay you excess based on some 'possible profit' you 'could' have made.Go take him to court and get them to pay you interest - they'll listen to that, but none of this:"Waaaaaahhh BTC went up I want that profit ... lucky it didn't go down hey? ..."

If you gave Tom money, then you knew the risk.If you didn't know the risk then you are indeed an ignorant fool.

Now it 'seems' Tom is trying to pay it back.If he doesn't, yep a scam it may well be.

But "from the get go"? Yeah, in your wet dreams maybe, but not in reality.

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Everything else you have said is based on some fantasy that you hope is true - sounds like the idiot arguing in #btcfpga going on and on and on and on about how he wants the 'lost profit' he could have made on the BTC since then.No court would pay you excess based on some 'possible profit' you 'could' have made.Go take him to court and get them to pay you interest - they'll listen to that, but none of this:"Waaaaaahhh BTC went up I want that profit ... lucky it didn't go down hey? ..."

If you gave Tom money, then you knew the risk.If you didn't know the risk then you are indeed an ignorant fool.

Now it 'seems' Tom is trying to pay it back.If he doesn't, yep a scam it may well be.

But "from the get go"? Yeah, in your wet dreams maybe, but not in reality.

There were no images on failed chips/boards/cases of anything, there were stolen images of chip designs from another sites, there were fucked up promises... Result is, that it was just what looked like it was, a scam. Nothing short of a full payback to all victims is going to change that. The fact is that he didn't deliver nor he didn't pay back, and pretty much he just screwed us around to the get the BTC.

I am not asking for "lost profit BTC", nor I am not asking for full BTC payback, I am asking FOR MY GOD DAMN BTC TO BE PAID BACK EVEN WITH CURRENT RATE, TWAT. Like now.

Someone like you, with that much of a reputation is holding this scam up, is despicable. And helping him (them, Tom/Dave) to do a another scam.. well, what can I say... I kinda despise you.

Everything else you have said is based on some fantasy that you hope is true - sounds like the idiot arguing in #btcfpga going on and on and on and on about how he wants the 'lost profit' he could have made on the BTC since then.No court would pay you excess based on some 'possible profit' you 'could' have made.Go take him to court and get them to pay you interest - they'll listen to that, but none of this:"Waaaaaahhh BTC went up I want that profit ... lucky it didn't go down hey? ..."

If you gave Tom money, then you knew the risk.If you didn't know the risk then you are indeed an ignorant fool.

Now it 'seems' Tom is trying to pay it back.If he doesn't, yep a scam it may well be.

But "from the get go"? Yeah, in your wet dreams maybe, but not in reality.

There were no images on failed chips/boards/cases of anything, there were stolen images of chip designs from another sites, there were fucked up promises... Result is, that it was just what looked like it was, a scam. Nothing short of a full payback to all victims is going to change that. The fact is that he didn't deliver nor he didn't pay back, and pretty much he just screwed us around to the get the BTC.

I am not asking for "lost profit BTC", nor I am not asking for full BTC payback, I am asking FOR MY GOD DAMN BTC TO BE PAID BACK EVEN WITH CURRENT RATE, TWAT. Like now.

Someone like you, with that much of a reputation is holding this scam up, is despicable. And helping him (them, Tom/Dave) to do a another scam.. well, what can I say... I kinda despise you.

OK, try again, read it a few times, take a deep breath, understand all the big words there that I typed ... think about it ... pretend the words are not too difficult for you ... or look them up in a dictionary ...

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No he is not, as you can plainly fucking see, or do I need some Tom-o-classes? http://blockchain.info/address/16yAasHr1TzLKnCpqfau78D5qFzGm8XqJg

OK, try again, read it a few times, take a deep breath, understand all the big words there that I typed ... think about it ... pretend the words are not too difficult for you ... or look them up in a dictionary ...

Could you take your off-topic discussion to some other thread? Thank you.

No offense i mean nothing by it. but this isn't off topic you have someone that associated with a known scammer and he is being quite himself; on anything and everything so some may be lead to belive he is a scammer to.

I thank dave for all is help i just wish he would communicate a little more i think that is the biggest issues he has i don't think he is a scammer i just think he hasn't communicated enough for others to believe this.

Tom is in no way associated with this project. Dave is in no way involved in Tom's difficulties with his BTC refunds. Dave did an excellent job working for Tom, sorting out orders and taking care of CC refunds.

The IPO has been completed and closed, so no new people can be "scammed" as you seem to think is happening.