Is our Free World at risk? - Atheist Nexus2018-11-19T22:23:13Zhttp://atheistnexus.org/forum/topics/is-our-free-world-at-risk?commentId=2182797%3AComment%3A814514&feed=yes&xn_auth=noAsk yourselves this: These pe…tag:atheistnexus.org,2010-07-04:2182797:Comment:8932282010-07-04T06:36:53.234ZWaynehttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/Wayne622
Ask yourselves this: These people want you dead, and they will do it slowly and painfully. Why do you allow them to stay in your country? Answer me this: If someone began living in your house and began breaking your things and began talking about how they wanted to kill you if you didn't do things for them, providing that the were not blood related, would you let them stay? As for me, I would kick them out, with a restraining order.
Ask yourselves this: These people want you dead, and they will do it slowly and painfully. Why do you allow them to stay in your country? Answer me this: If someone began living in your house and began breaking your things and began talking about how they wanted to kill you if you didn't do things for them, providing that the were not blood related, would you let them stay? As for me, I would kick them out, with a restraining order. Jaume,
It might well be that…tag:atheistnexus.org,2010-05-06:2182797:Comment:8157152010-05-06T11:32:21.360ZJohn Williamshttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/JohnWilliams
Jaume,<br />
It might well be that the Muslims in France fall mainly into those four categories. Most of those that I have encountered in Paris are from former French colonies such as Algeria. The vast majority in the UK are from Bangla Desh. Those in my city are definitely a major growing force. In business they are remarkable, mainly due to working much harder than the indigenous population. That is a really good thing. However, their local success has given them the ability to buy a huge disused…
Jaume,<br />
It might well be that the Muslims in France fall mainly into those four categories. Most of those that I have encountered in Paris are from former French colonies such as Algeria. The vast majority in the UK are from Bangla Desh. Those in my city are definitely a major growing force. In business they are remarkable, mainly due to working much harder than the indigenous population. That is a really good thing. However, their local success has given them the ability to buy a huge disused church and spend millions converting it to a mosque complete with minarets. I wouldn't call these guys "hard core" but they are pretty devout - most of the women wear burqas. Islam is rising and it's a very scary prospect living in its shadow. I agree PRG. Howard said abov…tag:atheistnexus.org,2010-05-06:2182797:Comment:8157082010-05-06T11:15:29.852ZJohn Williamshttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/JohnWilliams
I agree PRG. Howard said above "Islam is, in an historical context, no more or less despotic, violent and dangerous than any other major religion." Perhaps in a historical context but in the here and now, that doesn't wash. I certainly don't defend Christianity but, except for a bunch of nut jobs, mainly in the US, it is better adapted to the 21st century than Islam, which is still firmly rooted in medieval barbarity. Here in the UK, we are so sensitive and liberal that the government is…
I agree PRG. Howard said above "Islam is, in an historical context, no more or less despotic, violent and dangerous than any other major religion." Perhaps in a historical context but in the here and now, that doesn't wash. I certainly don't defend Christianity but, except for a bunch of nut jobs, mainly in the US, it is better adapted to the 21st century than Islam, which is still firmly rooted in medieval barbarity. Here in the UK, we are so sensitive and liberal that the government is bending over forwards (intended) for Muslims. The authorities are already turning a blind eye to Sharia courts, undermining one of the oldest democracies on the planet (albeit with a bloody royal family.) The fact is that they are getting very special treatment because so many are rightfully scared of the repercussions if they don't.<br />
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On the other point of oppression of minorities, would it be fascism to discriminate against fascists? @Jaume "I'm rather pessimisti…tag:atheistnexus.org,2010-05-06:2182797:Comment:8156732010-05-06T08:52:35.297ZlOS`AMIGOShttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/lOSAMIGOS
@Jaume "I'm rather pessimistic by nature, yet I've a feeling Muslims may secularize before they become the majority"<br />
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I kind of agree Jaume .Id say its most likely the best chance left.Mulims and Christians both try spreading fear of each others faith,suggesting the others trying take over and inforce itself etc.<br />
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Maybe the best hope there is left is for non faith believers to keep busy trying to convince as many as possible on both sides, of the stupidity and utter foolishness of continuing to…
@Jaume "I'm rather pessimistic by nature, yet I've a feeling Muslims may secularize before they become the majority"<br />
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I kind of agree Jaume .Id say its most likely the best chance left.Mulims and Christians both try spreading fear of each others faith,suggesting the others trying take over and inforce itself etc.<br />
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Maybe the best hope there is left is for non faith believers to keep busy trying to convince as many as possible on both sides, of the stupidity and utter foolishness of continuing to be a follower of either I'm rather pessimistic by nat…tag:atheistnexus.org,2010-05-06:2182797:Comment:8156702010-05-06T08:33:39.952ZJaumehttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/Jaume
I'm rather pessimistic by nature, yet I've a feeling Muslims may secularize before they become the majority. The North African and Middle Eastern immigrants I've met in France so far tend to belong to one of these categories:<br />
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(a) I'm a practicing Muslim but all other religions are fine too, religion is personal and should be kept in the private sphere<br />
(b) I do the ramadan, but only because it's part of my culture and I'm used to it<br />
(c) I'm a Muslim in name only, and I just hate preachers and…
I'm rather pessimistic by nature, yet I've a feeling Muslims may secularize before they become the majority. The North African and Middle Eastern immigrants I've met in France so far tend to belong to one of these categories:<br />
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(a) I'm a practicing Muslim but all other religions are fine too, religion is personal and should be kept in the private sphere<br />
(b) I do the ramadan, but only because it's part of my culture and I'm used to it<br />
(c) I'm a Muslim in name only, and I just hate preachers and proselytes - but don't tell my wife<br />
(d) I don't give religion a shit. And I drink alcohol. As well as the victims. The c…tag:atheistnexus.org,2010-05-06:2182797:Comment:8156542010-05-06T07:57:30.826ZJaumehttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/Jaume
As well as the victims. The current regime in Iran shares many traits with historical fascism.<br />
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And while I don't completely agree with Hitchens here, his famous column on <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2176389/" target="_blank">Islamofascism</a> is still relevant.
As well as the victims. The current regime in Iran shares many traits with historical fascism.<br />
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And while I don't completely agree with Hitchens here, his famous column on <a href="http://www.slate.com/id/2176389/" target="_blank">Islamofascism</a> is still relevant. I firmly believe we will see…tag:atheistnexus.org,2010-05-06:2182797:Comment:8155232010-05-06T03:28:35.375ZProg Rock Girlhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/ProgRockGirl
<i>I firmly believe we will see the re-emergence of fascism in our lifetime.</i><br />
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I do too, but Islam will not be the victim of this fascism; they'll be the perpetrators.
<i>I firmly believe we will see the re-emergence of fascism in our lifetime.</i><br />
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I do too, but Islam will not be the victim of this fascism; they'll be the perpetrators. Once you let the Christians t…tag:atheistnexus.org,2010-05-06:2182797:Comment:8155222010-05-06T03:27:20.682ZProg Rock Girlhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/ProgRockGirl
<i>Once you let the Christians treat immigrants as second class citizens, guess who their next target would be...<br />
...anything that isn't Christian.<br />
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If Muslims become the majority, it will be a more extreme version of the religious right. I've had Christians treat me just fine as a non-Christian. I don't know if you've noticed or not but Muslims haven't been too tolerant of anything that isn't Islamic.<br />
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<i>You migrate to a new country because you like the way it is there, not because you…</i>
<i>Once you let the Christians treat immigrants as second class citizens, guess who their next target would be...<br />
...anything that isn't Christian.<br />
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If Muslims become the majority, it will be a more extreme version of the religious right. I've had Christians treat me just fine as a non-Christian. I don't know if you've noticed or not but Muslims haven't been too tolerant of anything that isn't Islamic.<br />
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<i>You migrate to a new country because you like the way it is there, not because you have some "fiendish plan" to alter it.</i><br />
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Implementing Sharia law has nothing to do with altering a country? People used to come to other countries to live permanently and to have a better way of life, and many people still do come for this reason. But there are also people who only come to a country to benefit economically, and don't want to assimilate or change in any way. There have been Muslim immigrants who have straight up said that they don't want to change for the country; they want to make the country change for them. CAIR has also said that they want Islamic law in America instead of democracy. A wise man once told me "The…tag:atheistnexus.org,2010-05-06:2182797:Comment:8154832010-05-06T02:38:42.804ZJohnskyhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/Johnsky
A wise man once told me "The purpose of a language is to get a point across, whether you master the language or not is moot, can you get the point across?"<br />
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You can get the point across, and just did... clearly your vocabulary is developed enough.<br />
This is a compliment.<br />
Don't let anyone suggest you're less than intelligent because you have less of a vocabulary. I've met many useless people with a better vocabulary than I.<br />
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Anyways, I have observed that historically Europe has been VERY open…
A wise man once told me "The purpose of a language is to get a point across, whether you master the language or not is moot, can you get the point across?"<br />
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You can get the point across, and just did... clearly your vocabulary is developed enough.<br />
This is a compliment.<br />
Don't let anyone suggest you're less than intelligent because you have less of a vocabulary. I've met many useless people with a better vocabulary than I.<br />
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Anyways, I have observed that historically Europe has been VERY open with immigration, as you mentioned. However, recently I have observed the emergence of what I can only describe as the racial right wing.<br />
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For example. France is attempting to refuse immigration to people who are visibly religious. Belgium has just banned the Burka (face concealing head dress) outright.<br />
Britain has a relatively new party on the block called the BNP, whose stance is British first, immigrants be damned.<br />
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It's happening over there... but the system of government they use means political stances are slow to change. Parliaments have their ups and downs. Mostly ups, but sometimes they're slow to act. Some would argue the same for all governments outside of dictatorships.<br />
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I firmly believe we will see the re-emergence of fascism in our lifetime. At first, (as always) we will see it as just and necessary. But when it's all said and done, we will of course view those who stood for it as disgusting.<br />
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History repeats itself. Francisco, you are talking ex…tag:atheistnexus.org,2010-05-05:2182797:Comment:8150882010-05-05T19:13:50.950ZAnnhttp://atheistnexus.org/profile/Ann44
Francisco, you are talking exactly what I have been thinking lately. Sadly... We are living in the comfort of vast amount of personal freedom, at least in this part of the world. And only part of the world it is. What is desirable or self-explanatory to us, is not that for many people who are actively pushing their agenda forward.<br />
Fantasies like "Brave New World" and "1984" might actually happen. Or something even more horrific based on Islamic totalitarian rule.
Francisco, you are talking exactly what I have been thinking lately. Sadly... We are living in the comfort of vast amount of personal freedom, at least in this part of the world. And only part of the world it is. What is desirable or self-explanatory to us, is not that for many people who are actively pushing their agenda forward.<br />
Fantasies like "Brave New World" and "1984" might actually happen. Or something even more horrific based on Islamic totalitarian rule.