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hypocrisy and lack of realism in the ideals of the wartime propaganda . Tory Mendacity on "The Troubles" #Corbyn4PM

If the ex Head of Mi5 holds this view too then why is Mr Corbyn supposed to see it differently? He is TWO weeks away from possibly being PM should those who are about to vote not know what his views and policies are on Terrorism are?...I appreciate that no one is supposed to talk about Brexit anymore but don't its supporters want to know about anything at all now?

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Ellie BakerWhile you all get upset about Corbyn and his non existent IRA connections .. let me remind you of our Conservatives governments involvement with human rights abusers and dictators openly funding ISIS .. Happening right now

Theresa May hosted the Emir of Qatar, Sheikh Al Thani, saying that his country was a ‘natural partner’ of the UK which was seeking to promote investment and ‘defence’ (i.e., arms exports)The meeting followed Defence Secretary Michael Fallon hosting Qatar’s Defence Minister to discuss joint military training in which Fallon also announced the creation of a new Deputy Defence Attaché role in Qatar ‘which will ensure strong and continued defence engagement’.Qatar has been accused of financially supporting radical opposition groups in Syria and Iraq and has allowed private fundraising for Al Qaeda, the Islamic State group and other jihadist organisationshttp ://www.reuters.com/article/us-iraq-saudi-qatar-idUSBREA2806S20140309

Theresa May also hosted the King of Bahrain, Hamad bin Isa al Khalifa, notorious for his country’s brutal crackdown on dissidents and the Shia community.

The Prime Minister reiterated the UK’s ‘firm commitment to the security of the Gulf’ - government code for continuing support for the regime. Royal visits have also been made to Oman and the United Arab Emirates and the government has reaffirmed its commitment to building two new military bases in Bahrain and Oman…The current King of Bahrain, Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa is a descendent of the long-ruling Al Khalifa dynasty, which has held power in the country since 1783. Al Khalifa is a tactical partner of the United States in the Gulf region, yet his reign since 2002 has nonetheless administered violent repression of anti-monarchy activistsInteresting point the UK spent £2m in aid money last year to support humanitarian reform in the Bahrain, there was still widespread evidence of the use of torture by security services…so we give them money to stop human rights abuses and then sell them weapons and cosy up

Meanwhile, Britain has struck an extraordinary new special relationship with the military rulers of Egypt, who overthrow a democratically-elected government in 2013. In August, Theresa May spoke with Egyptian military ruler General Abdel Fattah el-Sisi and ‘discussed a new chapter in bilateral relations between the UK and Egypt’. Since late 2015 numerous ministerial meetings have been held to promote militarycooperationrAbdel Fattah al-Sisi of Egypt has presided over the flagrant abuse of human rights since taking office a year ago pledging to restore stability. Violence by armed groups and the government has escalated.The United States and European governments should stop overlooking Egyptian government abuses, including a lack of accountability for many killings of protesters by security forces, mass detentions, military trials of civilians, hundreds of death sentences, and the forced eviction of thousands of families in the Sinai Peninsula.

Ellie Bakerresearch the facts yourself ..its all there..still waiting for the evidence..do you honestly think if they had anything on Corbyn they wouldn't have used it so far ?..and please check the dates of this photographs .long after the good friday agreement...See More

Ellie Bakeryou mean after he was fully accepted into parliament and became part of the political world .. you really are silly .. again don't you think if they had anything credible on Corbyn .. they would use it .. you have your opinion ..but facts don't back your opinion up .. read the facts

Ellie BakerIf the Catholics had been allowed civil rights from the start there would have been no violence. Internment of over 3000 Catholic men was the best recruiting sergeant for the IRA. If you codem the IRA you need to condemn the Army and RUC paramilitary police for their murders as well.

If a blog or a meme got you *so* convinced about this that you're willing to argue so vociferously about it - even in the face of photographic evidence and contemporaneous news articles - then you really need to stop and think about how readily you believe things you *want* to believe.

Tim LightI agree that it's wrong to claim that connections are "non existent" (as in the first comment above) but, at the same time, it's wrong to exaggerate those connections. Which, is something which we often see. It's more accurate to say that Corbyn had a 'pro-unionist' stance on Northern Ireland, rather than 'pro-IRA'. He's also on record condemning the violence there, at that time, by all perpetrators. But, this seldom gets mentioned by those who dislike him and use he's opinions of the troubles in Northern Ireland and what should have been done to achieve peace, against him.

Certainly his overall stance has always been in support of a united Ireland (which is a perfectly valid political position to hold), but he's also regularly expressed that support *through support of the Provisional IRA*.

He's met with senior members (repeatedly), he's attended memorials for their dead, he's protested their trials and the magazine he edited eulogised their terrorism (and, most notoriously, even celebrated the Brighton Bombing - and the deaths it caused - in an editorial)

We can't pretend he was a distant supporter of their cause. He was an active supporter of the IRA as an entity, and a supporter of many of them as individuals.

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Again - these are perfectly valid positions to hold (although in some cases a bit distasteful). There's nothing criminal about any of it.

It's also perfectly valid to suggest that, given the current political situation, none of this matters any more.

My issue is that far too many Corbyn supporters are eager to rewrite history on his behalf, inventing a perfect, flawless Jeremy Corbyn who has never done anything questionable.

(we see a similar thing with regard to expenses claims, where "he has low travel expenses claims" (true) has been twisted to "he always has the lowest expenses claims of any MP" (an outright lie))

Tim LightYeah, I often do that. In the case of N.I., I often think of 'unionism' to mean the union of N.I. and the Republic. It's made more confusing that the pro-British in N.I. are often referred to as 'loyalists' rather than 'unionists'. I usually see my mis...See More

Quiggleys words.p.232 tragedy and Hope.´´but criticism should have been directed rather at the hypocrisy and lackof realism in the ideals of the wartime propaganda and at the lack of honesty of the chief negotiators in carrying on the pretense that these ideals were still in effect while they violated them daily, and necessarily violated them. The settlements were clearly made by secret negotiations, by the Great Powers exclusively, and by power politics. They had to be. No settlements could ever have been made on any other bases. The failure of the chief negotiators (at least the Anglo-Americans) to admit this is regrettable, but behind theirreluctance to admit it is the even more regrettable fact that the lack of political experience and political education of the American and English electorates made it dangerous for the negotiators to admit the facts of life in international political relationships.”

Andrew SheldonHow has this Goalpost shifted..this is all I have said " Enlighten us...what are they? Evidence would be appreciated if available." There is no evidence in any of the above it is interesting but it is opinion.

Andrew SheldonNo I am saying, to be clear, he appeared on platforms and he spoke to Sinn Fein, and to the IRA. He never condoned violence from anyone, Loyalist, Republican or British as he is opposed to violence in virtually every conceivable circumstance as he believes that it occurs when politics fail.

Dave EvansWell that's rather different from what Ellie claimed (and what is being claimed on various pro-Corbyn blogs), and what I was initially arguing against.

I'd contend that his mourning of IRA 'martyrs' was condoning their terrorism, as did his position on the editorial board of 'Labour Briefing' when they published their vile celebratory editorial about the Brighton Bombing, and his protest of the trial of IRA terrorists.

But that is debatable. You might think he had other reasons for those actions, or that there's still a certain distance between his behaviour and 'supporting violence'.

I'd also suggest that his inability to condemn IRA violence without equivocation is worrying.

(he does a similar thing when asked about anti-Semitism - he won't condemn it, but he will condemn "all acts of bigotry")

Again, you might be satisfied with an equivocal condemnation and think it's splitting hairs to want him to be specific.

But it's saying that these things *never happened* that's my main concern.

In order to have room for debate, we need to acknowledge the basic historical facts.

Andrew SheldonNO it isn't Nick. The reason the IRA came to the table was that it was allowed do so without admitting either defeat or being held solely responsible for the carnage it had caused. It needed to save face and it was allowed to do so as it comprises mostly of posturing idiots to whom such things matter more than even innocent peoples lives. It had proven that already by the thousand.

Nick Machnik-FosterThe IRA came to the table because the whole thing was going fucking nowhere and the UK government reached out to end it. There were more grasses at some IRA meetings than there were members by the 1990s.

Roger LewisNick one man's fish is another man's, Poisson. What I am posting is relevant to both the security services and what they know of radicalisation but further, what they do in their black operations and further with the attacks on Corbyn regarding IRA/SinnFein the UDA and MI% involvement with it activities in Ulster.Failing to understand both the present but historical context of UK foreign and domestic policy leads to the sort of Guff that passes for critical comment. SO if its all the same to you I will continue to post, you can decide if you wish to click on and engage with the information.

Roger LewisYour statement is only a fact in so much that it is the fact of your opinion or even the opinion of many. To engage with the material and analyse its factual content and demonstrating where it is incorrect or incorrect to the point that it is absurd would establish to the extent that you engaged in sufficient analysis that some or all of the content could be categorised as Bollocks. You have not supported your opinion that it is Bollock. The Panorama Programme is clearly not Bollocks it has many facts supported by evidence. The Wikipedia Articles on the UDA and IRA are also full of supported facts, Encyclopaedias are full of facts.

Andrew SheldonI appreciate that Nick (the SAS had killed dozens and it was on its knees) but it was more to do with ending it for good than defeating its existing ASU's as they would simply seed into the next generation. We had the opportunity we don't have with IS and we took it. Sometimes it is necessary to shake hands whilst holding one's nose as the prize is worth it.

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