Was today's Supreme Court Obamacare decision a win for conservatives or a loss? It depends on what you were rooting for.

If you were above all interested in the bill being struck down, it was mostly a loss. On the other hand, if you were more concerned about the qualitative expansion in the power of the government that the bill represented, it was definitely a win.

First, the Roberts Court put real limits on what the government can and cannot do. For starters, it restricted the limits of the Commerce Clause, which does not give the government the power to create activity for the purpose of regulating it. This is a huge victory for those of us who believe that the Constitution is a document which offers a limited grant of power.

This decision says that the government can compel you to do anything, as long as it makes the penalty for non-compliance a tax.

There is no victory here, no silver lining. The court has affirmed what they began with in Kelo -- to remind us that we are nothing but serfs who don't actually own property but must do whatever the government orders us to do.

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posted on 06/28/2012 9:54:18 AM PDT
by kevkrom
(Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)

Did the commerce clause get a real bonk on the nose? I’ll believe it when Uncle Sam can only “tax” against things like locally grown marijuana (which I do not recommend that anybody smoke except for possible bona fide medicinal use, but as a test case in point).

Uh,...exactly where/how did the the SC limit any of the law? You must have to go through a law school to have this little sense. It’s like they called a cat a rabbit, therefore it is, so don’t worry about it being a cat because cat’s aren’t allowed.

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posted on 06/28/2012 9:58:52 AM PDT
by throwback
(The object of opening the mind, is as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid.)

For starters, it restricted the limits of the Commerce Clause, which does not give the government the power to create activity for the purpose of regulating it. This is a huge victory for those of us who believe that the Constitution is a document which offers a limited grant of power.

This clown is dillusional. When the court can simply change the word penalty to tax and say the government is restricted, there are no restrictions. Liberals change the meaning of words all the time to fit an agenda.

This author is in la-la land riding unicorns through rainbows whilst smoking wacky-weed and sniffing pixy dust.

"Personally I think they solidified the GOP hold on the house and guaranteed GOP control of the senate."

It won't matter unless Obama is defeated in November. He has been moving heaven and earth to make Congress a ceremonial body and has already established many ways to raise and spend money without Congressional authorization. He is now legitimizing millions of illegal aliens and will give them work permits while preventing states from purging and protecting the voting rolls. You can bet that these illegals will be registered to vote and will vote as many times as physically possible.

Don’t expect the SCOTUS to pull our political chestnuts out of the fire. Don’t even trust them to pull our constitutional chestnuts out of the fire. The libs have relied on the court to do for them what they could not do through the political branches. I think the long term political tide is against them, and this tactic will ultimately fail them, as it has failed us today.

At the end of the day, O-care will stand or fall, based on the actions of the political branches of gov’t.

Therefore, we need to be loud, support candidates that support liberty and limited gov’t, vote, and convince others to vote. No RINO’s. All of our elected officials need to hear explicitly and loudly from us. We must contribute and support those who are true conservatives.

“Personally I think they solidified the GOP hold on the house and guaranteed GOP control of the senate.”

Doesn’t matter. Even if the GOP turns conservative and reverses Obamacare, any future administration/congress can use today’s ruling to compel citizens to do whatever they mandate. There is no longer a limited government, no longer any freedom of choice.

Because Roberts threw a few ultimately meaningless bones we should not take that silver and leave. He riped the heart of our freedom away. He declared government may tax inaction and in doing so made us slaves.

Roberts is a traitor to liberty and the Constitution and no man can be free until he is removed.

They did us a favor even though I did not ask for it. The FEDS can tax you into oblivion. Sort of knew that. Know it for sure now. I, for one, think we just won 2012. We shall see. I not, then the America as founded is over.

Yes, like many other issues, this ruling is “Bush’s Fault!” And in a larger sense, we are where we are today thanks to George W. Bush and to a lesser extent, his worthless father. I sit here in wonderment, reading various “conservative pundits” who are in the process of blowing smoke up our collective asses saying this is a “victory” for the right. John Roberts is just what several have labeled him, a Benedict Arnold.

Roberts now ranks with Roger Taney as being the most gutless coward ever to hold office. Taney’s decision directly led to the Civil War. Roberts decision will do the same. In one fell swoop, he overthrew the Constitution and our republican form of government.

Any pretense to upholding the Constitution - AS HE SWORE TO DO - is gone. Any pretense that the federal government is subject to the will of the people is a monstrous joke. My personal feeling is the the court’s opinion and Roberts can go straight to the Mammon’s home. I REFUSE TO OBEY.

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posted on 06/28/2012 10:12:49 AM PDT
by NTHockey
(Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)

"...they solidified the GOP hold on the house and guaranteed GOP control of the senate."

They also made it an absolute certainty that O'Bungsuck will be swept out of our White House like the pile of putrid, stinking waste that he is. This has just gone from a touch-and-go election with the potential for minimal voter fraud swaying the outcome to a trembling, quaking landslide of previously unheard-of mandate majority.

A margin of victory way too big for even massive voter fraud to outweigh the natural outcome.

Obama, and The Obamacare Middle Class Income Tax, are done for. Yes, Chief Justice Roberts is a gutless dirtbag, an even bigger conservative disappointment than Justice Souterbut he just handed Conservatives both Houses of Congress and the White House come this November.

On the bright side, Chief Justice Roberts will be recorded in the history books as the biggest traitor to the Conservative Cause ever. I urinate on his vile name. What a despicable spineless eunuch.

Well yes and no. The secession that led into the Civil War wasn’t precipitated by high dudgeon about whether or not keeping slaves was okay. However the curse of practicing slavery did hang over the south, with typical confederate state laws affirming slaves to be as much property as horses and houses were. That can’t have pleased God at all, and on the human level it beckoned on a certain level of moral blindness in other areas.

Let's hope it turns out to be a Pyrrhic victory for Obama. Bill Clinton and Janet Reno had a victory when they snatched Elian Gonzalez by force to send him to Castro, but that may have made the difference in Gore losing Florida in the 2000 election, thus sparing the country a Gore presidency.

The ruling is a loss for our side or anyone who believes in a limited government, but it may prevent Obama having another 4 years to damage the country.

Dont expect the SCOTUS to pull our political chestnuts out of the fire

So basically, you're in favor of a pure majority rules democracy, not a constitutional republic? Because that's what you are saying if we can't count on SCOTUS to defend the constitution. Given demographics, I can almost guarantee you won't like the results.

Amen to that sentiment. We need to stand up and fight to clean out the Liberals in the upcoming election! Count me in. I refuse to give in to these people by hiding in my parents basement with my guns and a years supply of dried beans. That’s NOT the way America was built.

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