“I am not Indian; I am Kashmiri”

In the summer of 2008, I got a phone call from my cousin who lives in Delhi. He told me about my selection in Jawaharlal Nehru University. After two weeks of dilemma, I finally decided to join the university in a language course. It took me a while to come to terms with my decision as my first choice was not Language but Engineering. I believe half of Kashmiri youth opt for Engineering after senior secondary school. Every relative who got to know about my selection suggested me to grab this golden opportunity. Finally I landed up in JNU in the July of 2008. It was a mixed feeling. On one side it seemed that I have escaped from the prison of chained thoughts and limited opportunities, from a place where a student has less career options, where Medicine or Engineering is student’s first career choice, where a student with an arts subject is looked down upon, where a youth without government job is considered to be unemployed. So I was happy to join the university in Delhi.

Despite being happy, I was sad too, for I missed my family. I missed my homeland. I missed the smell of fresh air that the cool breezes of my homeland always brought along. I missed the early morning dew drops on the lush green grass that sparkle with the early sun rays. I missed the changing of colors with the changing seasons in Kashmir. The spring was on its way to Kashmir. Leaves and flower buds were sprouting all around. Green carpets of grass were expanding in every direction. Whole Kashmir was turning green, leaving behind the dark and harsh winter season.

In Delhi, nature seems to lose variety. One can hardly differentiate among seasons. Every season seems to be the same; leaves don’t change color, even the sky seems colorless, and stars seem to refuse to twinkle and shine bright. Chirping of birds is replaced by horns of motors and landing of planes. Pollution is all around. Delhi had many other things to offer though. It gave me freedom to study any subject with same respect as medicine or engineering could have and a choice to choose a subject from a variety of options.

Delhi offers specializations and honors courses; these are the things that a common Kashmiri doesn’t get in Kashmir. International Book fairs and education fairs take place all round the year. One comes to know about a lot of new and interesting courses and scholarships available around the world. Every day one finds workshops and conferences of all kinds happening in different parts of the city. Delhi is a pool of opportunities and inspiring stories. But all this comes at a cost of cool summer and pleasant weather.

Delhi’s weather remains hot and humid for most of the year. Scorching heat and hot blowing air (loo) is what I hate most about the city. Delhi’s culture and society is also quite different. Fast moving lives, lesser family ties and late night working shifts are part of being a Delhite. People don’t take Noon Chai and Lavaass in the morning. They eat bread and butter with sugar-tea, the breakfast. They don’t know what Noon Chai is. How much I miss it! I even miss. Nadir monji and Halwi parath, Harrsi and Kashmiri Wazwaan.

Delhi claims Kashmir as integral part of India. But I feel like a foreigner in India. I am not Indian; I am Kashmiri. Even they treat us as foreigners. And I as a Kashmiri accept being treated as a foreigner. I remember the semi-finals of the last Cricket World cup when India beat Pakistan. The students in my hostel came with drums outside my room so as to cherish their victory, they shouted, hooted and threw beer glasses as if we were from Pakistan. I remember when they pasted Indian flag on my door on Indian Independence day. This shows they themselves believe that Kashmiris are not Indians but try forcefully to convert us to. I remember auto-rickshaw men calling us Iraqi and Afghani.

May be our complexion matches more with Central Asian than Indians. But being Kashmiri in Delhi has also certain disadvantages. People always look with suspicions towards you. I remember when I was looking for a hotel just before the Republic Day eve. I was not provided any accommodation even though the rooms were vacant. There are many landlords who don’t rent their apartments once they identify anyone as being a Kashmiri. But I don’t blame common Delhites. Delhi police now and then arrest Kashmiris in many false cases. Whenever anything wrong happens in this metro city only Kashmiris are the first suspects. I remember when media channels flashed the news that Lashkar-e-Toiba could be behind the Mumbai blasts of 2008, I had to confine myself to my room. My parents were worried and I believe every Kashmiri’s parents start worrying once something awful happens in India. And why not! It’s a genuine concern of parents.

There are so many Kashmiris languishing in many Indian jails because of mere suspicion in many cases. It seems laws like POTA, PSA, AFSPA has been specially framed for Kashmiris. Protests happen in every corner of India. I nowhere see protesters being fired upon. I don’t see death toll crossing hundreds. I don’t see culprits roaming free. It only happens in Kashmir. I too protested for human rights violations. But luckily I was not hit by a bullet, maybe because I don’t live in Kashmir. Maybe, because living in Delhi assures that I accept Indian hegemony or because media covers stories in Delhi. Still my parents call me every day because they fear that I might be booked by police in some false case or maybe I may have been
forcibly disappeared.

Overall, I have been lucky. Being in JNU gives you a little security. Even though I protested, I was not booked. Moreover, we conducted movie screening, public talks and conferences over Kashmir Issue in JNU. And surely people supported us. Student political parties supported us. They raised slogans against Human rights violations in Kashmir with us. And maybe this attitude of Student unions in Delhi has made
government of India to ban student bodies in Kashmir. They fear educated class of society. I pray for the day when a youth from Kashmir doesn’t have to come to Delhi and adjust to its fast moving life in order to gain education. Hope education system within Kashmir grows strong enough that students like me need not to leave their homeland.

237 COMMENTS

Been to Kashmir twice, have friends living there. Love the place and it’s people, can understand Zaffar’s problems and what it must be like to leave the paradise and live in a place as harsh as Delhi.
I only wish the army leaves the place and let the locals handle the law & order problem. The army has a vested interest in staying, and often creates situations to stay. No where else the army enjoys the privileges it gets in Kashmir.

Sanjeev..This is not directed at you but to those that read your comments.

You need not reply, having said that you surely may. Be it denouncing these retorts as spam or any other jest you try. It will just get repeated over & over & over & over…catch my drift.. :)

If you are a regular on this site. You know these people like Sanjeev (& the like) as a craven sods that perpetuates the propaganda and agenda of India.

Their purpose is to coerce and deceive the outsider who doesn’t follow the Kashmir conflict with vigor.

Thus far they have abused, fueled hatful attacks both virtually and on ground.

Please take their responses with a grain of salt & ask yourself why the voice of the Kashmir walla is repeatedly attacked by these hate mongers.

I ask the reader to also consider the beauty of Kashmirwalla to allow them their voice as erroneous it may be. Regardless take this as your warning & please do your research on the Occupied region of Kashmir before coming to any conclusions.

The voice of the voiceless must carry on, wether being attacked by the likes of mentioned or gaged by agencies on the ground.

Truth must prevail, no matter how often and powerful the spin masters try to sabotage our attempts to putting it forth.

Hi I grow up as child in Kashmir, (1963-1995)I was never accepted by J&K state neither as a boy (in school the kids and even teachers used to call as INDIAN, You may be of any standard, but topper will be from Kashmir) and nor as Youth ( you have to search job out side the state)
Unluckily, The population of Kashmir pay a quarter of the price (rice, Atta and sugar) what we pay. From J&K people can apply in any job or uni where as we were unable to get job there.
As they were giving good time by Indian Govt. The people of Kashmir still like Pakistan

I donot wht the author is complaining about..if you come out of ur state in India(whichever you belong to), and migrate to some other state, its like moving from one country to another..nobody pays special attention to you based on ur state or place you belong to..thts the falvaour of india..if you donot like the other state cultur and donot know how to adjust there u are at fault..I am from Orisaa and living in bangalore from past so many years..Even I feel nostalgic abt my village, but tht does not mean I expect bangalore to change for me..I have an impression about Kashmiris that they donot want to come out of their state and if ther come out..they donot want to adjust ..

Hello author! I see ur blaming North eastern states for freedom.
I’m from Assam. We consider to be as Indians love to be as Indians.
I could not get understand y did u had posted along with kashmir assam,nagaland,manipur for freedom.
We get lot of opportunities in India and proud to be as citizen of India.
I have witnessed like u S M Zaffar(author).
I have witness when i was studying in Hyderabad and i got good friends in hyderabad. They are Abdul,Irfan they dont complaint about India or neither praise pakistan. I’m being different from India means i look like chinese or nepali i have been treated too as foreigner.
But I never bothered about it. It happens because India is a country with different people and with different race.
It is not that the people of India treat others as foreigners they r curious about new peoples. The problem is that we ourself consider as foreigners.
So i want kashmiris to be united with India. But dont consider urself as foreinger.
Saath rahenge aur mil jul kar rahenge to sub kuch possible hai
Jai Hind!
long live India

Only a moron like you can say that army enjoys privileges in Kashmir and doesn’t want to get out of Kashmir. This is nonsense and rubbish and nothing else. Do you know when an officer or jawan comes to know that his new posting is in Kashmir then he is not happy or elated and his family members become tense and worried. Many stations in Kashmir are field stations where the personnel are not allowed to keep their families with them. Is this the privilege you nitwit talking about? An army person cannot move freely in Kashmir and can only travel in convoy, is this the privilege you talking about? An army person is trained for border defence but unwillingly he has to handle law and order problem in Kashmir, is this the privilege you birdbrain talking about? The chances of coming back home in a coffin increase manifold here, is this the privilege you clod talking about. Let me make it clear to you that indian army has no vested interest in staying in Kashmir. Period.

Whatever you ve said is correct, there is no development in the state. But tell me, why would the govt. do so? any reasons? Your people are being given subsidized food, better job opportunities, but you guys (Only some muslims of Kashmir) keep on back stabbing the govt. Your people (same as referred to above) are only the terrorists operating in India. Tell me, if you are a bloody Indian entrepreneur from any other state of India, would you have invested in Kashmir, full of anti indian young people, ready to join terror camps, blast bombs, throw stones at important buildings? I personally wouldn’t. You couldn’t even protect the Regional Engineering College, Srinagar, to exist. At least u guys are in highlight, see the NE India, they have nothing there, they are even tired protesting and their millitancy is almost good for nothing. But now they are changing and assimilating in the diaspora, thanks to the call centers. Actually the problem in Kashmir is , “sastey mein khane ki aadat ho gayi hai aap logon ki, aur kuchh nahin”. If kashmir becomes independent, and let it be that Pakistan and China wont interfere. How would you sustain? Laddakh and Jammu will never join you 100% sure. What will you feed your generations, Chinaar’s leaves? The nearest seaport would be either Karachi or Mumbai. And you know better, what Pakistan did to Afghanistan. The day won’t be far, when like Afghanistan, your land will become a whore of Pakistan. Ask the people of Balwaristan (if you know where it is) they will tell you what’s good or bad. Lastly, if you guys want independence then you may get in future. But the day you get, you are doomed. Not by India, but by your very own muslim neighbouring country, with whom you all are madly in love with.

Asalamullaykum Sam good one claps for this guy brovo now listen like Afghanistan same thing happen with Kashmir we want it that time the whole world will know The best there is, the best there was and the best there will be roars louder the lions kashmiri got it u better be.

For opportunity. Do you go there and reminisce about your country and moan about how they discriminate or single you out. You are the utmost moron if you dont learn to assimilate and go out of your comfort zone to socialize in a new place. That is where growth is, that is where you become more tolerant and understanding of opinions and beliefs other than yours. If you keep telling yourself you’re a victim, you are bound to feel like one eventually no matter what.

i’m not also indian,i’m a kashmiri…but never thougt that indians also treat us as foreigners..i’m glad to hear that…Also kashmir needs these type of innovative lines(indians treat kashmiris as foreigners) from educated minds like you…keep it up buddy

No offense, but you are very selectively narrowing down to a small part of what the author says. He also says that by and large he has been supported and people have been sympathetic to his cause. Mostly people are warm except for a few isolated incidents.

People are immature and in school or undergraduate colleges, you have bullies who trouble others. These people would not just trouble Kashmiris but just anybody they can. I have studied in many parts of the country and also in US. I think that India by and large is very respectful and tolerant towards diversity.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe you were treated differently just like a Delhi-ite would be treated in say a Kashmiri college?? Its law of nature. We can’t help but notice people who are different from us. Its should not be taken offensively. It applies to every minority group, weather that be from Kashmir or South India or North East. Over time people warm up to these differences.

I sincerely hope that one day, you will be able to understand the diversity of India.

I am from Andhra Pradesh, but live in Delhi. Like you, I also dislike Delhi’s weather. Like you, I also miss my home food – the Hyderabadi biryani. Like you, I also look different because my complexion is much darker than a Delhiite. Like you, I also sometimes get discriminated because of my religion.

But unlike you, I don’t feel like a foreigner. I feel so Indian and so proud of it. My country is built on the idea that people of different religion, color, cultures can live together. There will always be minor problems, but the love for my country gives me courage to deal with them.

Mr. Zaffar, everyone has to make this choice: either accept the idea of India and live happily OR keep cribbing for the rest of your life that you are treated as a foreigner.

People like Parsis and Sindhis have made a choice, and they are the most prosperous communities in India. Now it’s your turn!

Dude…It was nice to see your comments..But alas..It is not of any as you are replying to some people who think otherwise…

I will tell you my story..I am from a small state of Odisha…Whenever i go to any metro cities..they will tell me…Are you from that poor and backward state near to Kokotta???Because Orissa never came in any news of national importance..So somehow people of metro cities consider them me as some one different and very poor….But that does not make myself feel that i am less INDIAN…Even i can proudly say that i am more Indian than i am an Odiya also…And these are the things some educated people like this author do not understand..They don’t believe it staying in a society of different people…They don’t believe that If India is really means to be a Hindu nation…then BJP and RSS should have ruled the nation for majority of the time after independence rather than Congress party…It is really in vain to make these so called intellectual from Kashmir to understand…..They do not understand when a common Indian feels the pain to see that Lal Chowk of Kashmir is being shouting slogan to make sure Pakistan win in all the cricket match against India…These educated author understand the pain when common Indian people feels the pain that Kashmir people feels happy to put flag of Pakistan in the streets of Kashmir on the independence day of India….. Because they feel they are not obliged to understand the pain of common Indian people…But they feel to exercise their right to complain when some one put Indian flag in his hostel door???? Such a blatant hypocricy ..you will only find only from these kind people…

Well said dude (Hussain)… :)
An educated youth of India did not discriminate against anyone from any state of India on the basis of colour, creed & religion. Indians like Kashmiris as there own brothers & sisters, there could be some love-hate relationship but our destiny is to stay together. There are good people & bad people everywhere in the world & the bad people always wants to take advantage of any outsider who is not aware of local city.

salam hussain sir,
i respect your thoughts, bcoz you from south india, where people are of more polite nature then any of other north india. you never face riots. we are naver being respected.
our masjid’s are not safer, our girls never go to school, come and see our prosperity sir.
our ancester are one of big trader, but know local mla has take it from us after roits..
see from our eyes also, then you feel .005% of our pain.
khuda hafize

I agree with you. Most of us who arrive in a city like Delhi who come from different parts of the India experience culture shock – we look, speak and feel different to your average “Delhiite”. So many of us from different parts of the country can relate to your experiences. But no one should have an Indian identity forced upon them – we choose our identity, that’s our right. Being told you are Indian and if not Pakistani is sad to here.

I am also very concerned by these stories of Kashmiris being targeted by Indian police just on the basis of being Kashmiri! This is terrible. The Indian armed forces occupation of Kashmir is wrong. The Indian government’s agenda against all of those who feel this way is also very wrong. Regardless of which side of the fence you stand, I think most of us would agree that having your home overrun by armed personnel is not a safe environment for women and children, and definitely not the way a society should be.

I hope that your studies in JNU continue to broaden your knowledge and understanding. I hope that you can take these experiences with you to help Kashmir grow and strengthen. All the best.

True lines from a proud Kashmiri.I wanted to thank you for the terrific job you did. The bottom line is that I really appreciate sincerity diligence and effort you put into giving us a quality article.Way to go, comrade!:)

@ Hussain…its not only the differences in these said character….what he has written is a metaphor…you are missing the actual meaning…n choosing on accepting to live with India would mean to forget that we lost 1 lakh ppl for our struggle,,,,,it wud mean to leagalize the illegal occupation of india over Kashmir

@Ikram: Ok brother! As you wish. eventually the choice is yours – you can either use big words like struggle, illegal occupation and continue leading a sad life OR you can understand/embrace/improve India and lead a prosperous life with the people who matter the most – your family and kids.

@Hussian what it counts to indian policy makers to be embraced and loved by we kashmiries ….perhaps you do not may have ever listened the controversial land occupying matter of year 2008 which costed the lives of various our beloved ones and be our thought about this country(India) and besides it take the realm of our sacred masjid The BABRI MOSQUE demolished by hindus what is there only killing and making muslim massacres in Gujrat …..Are they safe no and not at all inda’s has worst policy againt muslims ……..

I am a hindu, and believe too much in my religion. And this belief only, gives me the power and patience to accept all the religions in their own form. Don’t call yourself a hindu militant, just militant is the word. A militant never has a religion. And for anyone who thinks muslims are bad, just think of Dr. Abdul Kalam, the guy who gave India “the balls” to say that we are a country with nuclear power and we can defend ourselves from any one including Pakistan and China.
For all muslims who say that bad things have happened to them, I agree. But the fact remains that bad things happened to hindu pandits also who were displaced from their own land.
Bad things in this country happen to people who are innocent, and actually don’t have much say in any of the affairs.
The real bastards are fundamentalists, who take advantage of these incidents and radicalise innocent people.
Praveen Togadia is as pathetic as Akbaruddin Owaisi.

These bombs when they kill, don’t ask for hindu’s only they kill Indians, whether they belong to any religion.

Biradar they always underestime the kashmiri people. We know we are not Indians how can we forget the sacrifice of more than 1 lakh people who been killed by Indian army still we have the pain and would be the same till we die. Indians always need news to be highlighted in the world there is no better place than kashmir from them. Let them say what they have to say because south Indians are the worst enemies for kashmiris so be aware of them

Its not metafor its a hippocracy on the name of so called freedom struggle on the name of hindu vs Muslim. …why is he studying in jnu ..why not in any of the porkistan varsity ..he knows the standards. .. jnu has given him dpace to protest ..this is democracy. ..had he been in porkistan and opposed porkistan he would have hanged ..like baloch missing people…enough appeasement done…now no more..if you dont wanna leave ..go to porks…india will take care of mere 3 million valley people….its indias maturity that you can speak with such freedom. .dont day dream india will never leave kashmir valley and laddakh , jammu will always pro india…choice is yours. .how badly you want to be treated..I live in delhi ..wanna meet me..will teach you a real meta
Phor…in jnu itself…the neo nationalism in india has been started. ..Understand. .stop fooling your self om the name of islam and fucking 2 nation theory…wat happened to 5 lack kashmir I pundits you coward…your supporter porkistan and hafeez saeed are basically beggers of west who destroyed one generation of talented kashmiri youths and you are writing metaphors you moron.
Forget kashmir , baluchistan and kpk ate new Bangladesh …one more attack like mumbai and you see the indian retaliation. ..shut up .

It is invain to complaint about india nd indians as i find not a single indian speaking or accepting d truth about Kashmir, indians r most selfish nd backword people, they only learned to hate muslims, so v muslims shud accept their hate nd fight back for our freedom.

There is no one you go and complain to . I mentioned in my comment that Indians never accept ugly realities. They ,in true senses, are hypocrits. They pretend democratically but their actuons, unfortunately, are feudal/communal. India has a growing socieety which has got to know the world but we cant wipe off the ripped ideology, which is based on religion and georgraphical distribution, out of them.. Our reach is being ceased and murdered. We have no other means to poke .Internet seems a better option .. Keep posting the real image of India … Cheers brother

don’t currupt the name of south india, they are humble and truthfull persons for decades.(sorry for…)

i can also become hardliner (for eg)
1 ram ji live his wife, on doubt of character?
2.devta play ugly politics
3.indera send his apsara for sexual relation with one of the mooni, how disgusting is this.
4.cant eat meat on tuesday, bcoz wo bhagwan ka din hai, to kya baki kya ….
5can’t give part of property to girls
6.bammad are human and dalits are pigs, wah re visnu bhagwan
i can also do this… every religion is not perfect, its your eyes that how you see humans..
jai ramji ki….
maaf kijiye ga…

Mr adil this is nt war of religion .but this is the war for kashmir becoz india has given full freedom to kashmiri parliament .becoz indian are fallowing rule which was made between india and hari singh.
So plz think what happened when same situation with pak .then they dnt have any separate rule for u.

Trust me, if we really were communal-minded, there wouldn’t be a single Kashmiri Muslim alive today. We would have done to you people, exactly what Hitler did to the Jews. You are very lucky we are not.

madam…first of all problem wid kashmir is religion not place…a state wid majority muslim population is controlled by a hindu dominated country…that is pblm…u ppl cant think out of ur religion…shame on you.. i have been to kashmir once and i can bet u kashmir is so backward that no other indian state can match it..so think twice or may be more before u comment anything…n i dont understand already kashmir has been ripped into 3 parts..even then u want it to be out of indias control…okay suppose it happened..then what next u will ask china to give it back and then from pak….what is wrong wid u ppl have u ever thought how will u survive everything which u need to develop lies in india..land is not everything…its ppl who make a place better..stop fighting for religion and contribute to development of j & k instead of creating unrest…if u cant then atleast control ur sentiments and dont misguide others…gud luck

I have great empathy for peoples who have lost their lives in kashmir at the hands of Indian Military. So far …so good..But please give me a single reason why india should not consider Kashmir to be it integral part.Just because majority of your population is Muslim.No offence ,but i will have to say i have never come to islamic majority country which is secular.However you go out and see, if you find any HIndu Republic, Buddhist republic or for that matter any christian republic.
I have failed to understand why Islam is so intolerant and so unaccomodative.
Today you take kashmir , but give me Jammu and Laddak for its majority Kashmiri Pundits, who were driven away by you.They were not 1 Laks but more than 7 Lakh. You are so selective and religiously motivated that you overlook the fact that RELIGION IS FOR PEOPLE and not PEOPLE ARE FOR RELIGION.

WE kashmiris have Indian Passports – whioch technically makes us Indians .Let me tell you al-we are indians by force, not by choice . The idea of democracy gets blurred in India . Nelson Mandela once said ” If indians think they are living in a democratic nation , they are 100% wrong” ..Thatz to say , the Indian society is intollerent and is not ready to accept the ugly reality… I am not an Indian , I am a Kashmiri , My identity is Kashmir, My blood has Kashgmir in it. I am a Man with no nation to support, no nation to celeberate the national day or independence day of.I am a kashmiri and that is my true identity , and unfortunately , that is your problem.. Give me my country back, give my soil back to me , give me back my heaven .. I will be a non-indian untill my last breath… Meri jaan se pyaari Aazadi, Meri rajdulaari aazadi …

The problem with you and many in Kashmir is not that they are treated badly or they do not have rights. You have better rights than your counterparts in so called Azad Kashmir. The only problem with you is that you think in Hindu and muslim terms and can not think beyond that. You brethe religon and can not think anything beyond that. You are feeling like under subjugation in Hindu India while as India is a secular country but you will not understand that. You drove us out of kashmir because you could not tolerate even a minscule Hindu minority there . That must be a good lesson for you , how majority Hindus are tolerating muslims in India. That speaks of temperament of both the communities. While as we are liberal and believe in co-existence , you on the other hand do not show any tolerance towards other religons. It is this mindset of urs that makes you to feel the way you feel. Cultivate your thinking and grow now and let others over there to grow as well.

nice article bro. This is India(a democratic country) where you live and can say you are not Indian. Think can you do the same in any other part of this planet. I have some Kashmiri friends with me in my college but no one treated them as foreigner as you mentioned above. there can be some problems with India but you cannot qes. on the biggest democratic country in the world.

There are certain reasons behind why some people dont have faith in Kashmiries. we saw a lot of terrorist activities in past and some Kashmiri boys were include in that but I am not saying they are right.

1 more thing some friends said that we hate muslims. Can any1 tell me how is it true. I think we all live here as brother. we already saw 1 partition(Pakistan) on the name of relegion so we are a little bit sensitive on this matter.

But without being modest I want to say kashmir is a part of India. Please read the history of kashmir and you will come to know how I can say this. at the end I wanna say however you hate us but we love you……..

Islamophobia is not the post 9×11 phenomenon.The discrimination you have experienced is probably due to exclusivity we maintain because of our mistrust of the other be that in the valley or outside.
I know of many Muslims(non-Kashmir’s) fail to get places on rent for having Ahmad or Mohammad as their second name. If some manage to get a place maids are often reluctant to work for them for the reasons landlords shoo them away.
Similar biases against Kashmiri Pandits forced them out of the valley you fondly,like me,miss. No place can take out the salubrious valley out of us,but the biases ,nursed by those who have no stomach for discussion and debate ,take the better of us….It is long path ahead .It healthy to ask in Kashmiri:”Ahansaa ti kyazi nasaa ti why?”

hii…i really appreciate what adil has written….i request all kashmiris not to waste their life about arguing about the place whose history u dont remember its very unfortunate though……and somewhere in heart u also know best future of kashmir lies with india…so come out of dilemma of azadi n all…n once there is peace in kashmir army will be removed…so its u kashmiri who need to support to make our kashmir a better place to live..if u have so much pain for ur kashmiri bros then what about kashmiri pandits…nobody talks about them no feelings at all…how can u be so partial…u miss ur place when u go out for furthes studies n job whatever then think about them who have been made homeless and are wandering for last 20 years..dont u ppl have humanity at all….u still have home where u can go back and meet ur loving ones and still u show so much pain…even kashmiri pandits dont cry so much as u ppl do..dont be hippocrate…zindagi ek baar hi milti hai…so live it to fullest and give some contribution to development of india n make all of us proud…rest is up to you….gud luck..god bless u all…

@Hussain, i just want to tell u one thing. British people developed India during their rule in India. The great Indian Railways, Universities and big big Architectural designs are from British rule. WHY DID INDIANs DEMAND FREEDOM IF BRITISH RULE WAS GIVING YOU EVERYTHING. What was it that made people die for the independence of india. Hope u ll reply and answer my question.

Beenum Dear!
The fight against Britishers was against their imperialism and their blood sucking nature!! Our(yours and our) Govt. structure want to develop one of the most lagging population of the world. There are visionaries who want to create SEZ in J&K so as to boost up the economy from from its present 60K Crores INR for a population of 1.25 crore. Govt is trying hard to inculcate a sense of momentum of change for good and education and food and security!!!
dil cheez kya hai aap meri jaan lijiye
bus ek baar mera kaha maan lijiye!!!!

You should have gone Pakistan for higher education why JNU. it was JNU an Indian university which allowed you to conduct symposium. you can even try this in Pakistan. This is selfish nature of Kashmiris Muslim who got all benefits from India, and still are ungrateful. if you hate India leave India and go Pakistan and see what u will get there,

I would first like to apologise on the behalf of the country if you were made to feel uncomfortable during your stay in Delhi and I also accept Indians are the most racist in the world. But I just want to ask you a small question, whether you tried to join in to the celebrations after the match. I guess if you did no one would ever have the right to treat you differently. I am a Bengali by birth but I have lived in Mumbai for 25 years of my life I love Mumbai more than Kolkata and Maharashtra more than Bengal but I completely dislike the fact that some Marathis call themselves Maharashtrians first and Indians later. I have friend who is Kashmiri, He is as much a brother to me as my own and so are you and that is what makes me Indian. I lived in Pune for 4 years and faced a bit of racism but barring a few idiots I have the best memories of my life there made friends for life. Love is out there you just need to look. Now I am in london for the last three years I still have difficulties adjusting and I call England as much as my own as I call India. It hurts me when some one degrades England as much as when someone degrades India. I join in there every celebration I was even happy that England won against India though disappointed that India lost (A moral dilemma) and this is how you belong. It is not a right it is a privilege and you have to work for it. By posting such comments you are just pushing yourself further away and you will create a greater rift (Will further reduce the trust of Indians have on Kashmiri’s and make life worse for future Kashmiris and this is your fault not rest of Indians) If we have done some thing wrong in the past please forgive us as you would your family and make an effort to belong and I am sure one day you will be proud to be an Indian.
Ps: Please visit Mumbai that is true India where diverse people live without any discrimination and I am sure no one will ever ask you where you are from.

some body claimed that they r kashmiri not indian, when u said this word, no sigle rupee loss for all indians but for u, i regret for such a situation in kashmir, i know many hate becasue of military activity, but i want to remaind one thing i am from tamilnadu, indian congress killed 2 lakh people in srilanka , we also human only, we also hate but not country, the specific ruler, dont think me bad , come out of ur religion thought, still if u want ur country back(in your point of view), first go to paki and china get it then come to india , i have a frd from ur state , think positively, do u think u can win india and its power, if u think go ahead , congrats

Brother dont forget when Indian government told you people to leave country and go to srilanka sri lankans dont want you people there and they fucked you and send back to india.Then why you ppl crib you not indians however our case is different we were not indians we are not indians and we will not die indians thats promise to all indians and mostly people from south india

”I am indian I am kashmiri”
Well,i am kashmiri,i request all kashmiris that it is time for us to show to world how we can contribute to india and world by invovations,art,rich cultre which we have.Lets make kashmir a ”real janat” Azaadi and freed is all for poltitions and not for the common man.

My dear kashmiri Brothers and Sisters!
I read and analyzed all that is being said, and understood that Kashmiris don’t like the face of India! Tanveer Fatima says Indians and Hindus hate Muslims which is not true. SHE IS TRYING TO SPREAD HATRED AND FLARING UP THE DISCONTENMENT. I must tell her that throughout my life I have loved to be with muslim friends and neighbours! Here I aver my first love was also a Muslim girl (last name: Tanwir), my father’s best friend was muslim and another muslim friend of mine married a hindu boy!!! So where is the question of Hindus hating Muslims!!

The word Kashmir is itself Vedic and the land has been the adobe of not just the present day muslims but also Buddhist, Hindus, Afghanis and Swati Rulers. the problems started when Sultãn Sikandar Butshikan of Kashmir (AD 1389-1413) and his (former Brahmin) minister Saif ud-Din started to share hatred against other religions which continues till date.
Lets us stop this war of humans against humans where no one wins but we land into a state of murder, atrocities, children being orphaned!!

Kashmir is lovely place, Kashmiris are beautiful people, All religions teach good things! Its our KASHMIR! Yours first who were born there, mine second because I cannot differentiate if I or my blood is different from you!!!!

I request Greats of Kashmir Independence Movement to rope in few greats like Azim Premji or Narayan Murthy to start the biggest IT park at SRINAGAR!!

I want to confess one thing here! I am 70 years old now and have worked for the freedom movement of Kashmir since my memories take me back! But now I confess that I was paid money many times by my leaders who got it from Pakistan. I was a true fighter for the development of Kashmir but now I realize that Pakistan just wants to get its grudge squared against India for which it funds us. It is possible that the day we get our Azaadi from India, Pakistan will enter here and snatch our land from us!! India is much better place to live in the world then staying as an independent country surrounded by three monsters – China, Pak and India! U never when China swallowes us and when Pakistan captures us and labels us Muhajeers!!

Great article br Zaffar, “warey asl”. You’re right, I always get mistaken for being Afghan in Delhi too – in fact, the police at entrance of Taj Mahal wouldn’t believe that I was an Indian passport holder and forced me to pay the “foreigner” entrance fee which is of course alot more than the Indian entrance fee! I guess “katsur” (that means ginger for the Indians who are reading) hair ain’t common in those parts! We, in the Valley of Kashmir, are of course a Central Asian race, not an Indic race and so its only natural that we don’t feel part of the Indian empire and nor do they accept us. The majority of us are indigenous to the valley and converted from Hinduism to Islam 700 years ago. The rest of us are Muslims (originally from Iran, Afghan, Northern Pak etc) who settled in Kashmir whilst trading on the silk route between Turkey and China. The problem with Indians and Hindus is that they have an issue accepting that Kashmir hasn’t been Hindu for 700 years. Neither was Kashmir geographically a part of the Indic peoples until it was forcefully annexed by the Dogra tyrants from Jammu. Jammuites are no different to Punjabis who are an Indic race so those are the only people in J&K who feel “Indian”.

Dear Ahmed, let me clear you one thing. I am a rpoud Indian from Nagaland. Those terrorist back in Nagalnd who wants independence from India are small section of rotten and sick minded people who doesnt know the greatness of this country. But the general public, aam junta loves India as their country and this is with all the other 7 states of the NE( They love and like to be Indians)

Now for mainland mistaking you people to be Afghans…so what, we have been mistaken for chinese, Nepalese, Thais etc…but thats not the ultimatum to give statment that we are no Indians. Remember a Mizo CM being asked in one Bangalore hotel which country r u from???
NE Indians are most discriminated in this country. But still we dont sit and write crap and monger against India. Still we try to reason with main Indians that we too are Indians, accept us as Indians. Thats the reason NE Indians are everywhere in mainstream now, may it be politics, sports, culture etc etc. We have marked and are still going great to show that though we are diffrent in looks we are Indian. Love your country as we love. Hope u got some sense. JAI HIND!!!

I know NE are discriminated, may a time s by some arrogant bastards. To state a fact even when I was in student life, I used to call them chinki, a bloody ass I was. But as we all speak about Kashmir here, which is no doubt an integral part of India, we should also be aware that NE is a much ignored part of this country. I hope we come out of this vote bank politics someday, and that day we will all be Indians, and then of any other religion, caste or creed.

Onus is upon us, just treat every one around you as an Indian for 1 day and forget to which religion do they belong, and you will see the change.

Brother you are wrong in believing that 700 years ago kashmiris were hindus. This is propaganda of hindu pandits who have always been a minority in kashmir. Kashmiri language and people belonged to the same dardic heritage that people of northeastern afghanistan, northern pakistan belonged. An average kashmiri was either a Buddist or practiced a dardic aboriginal polythistic religion like the one practiced even to this day by dardic kalash tribe residing in Chitral nortern pakistan. Hindu pandits(brahmins) came in kashmir with the hindu invaders in the valley during the first Millenium A.D.

I am kashmiri
I am kashmiri kill me said he is terrorist.
I am kashmiri arrest me said he is stone pelter.
I am kashmiri beat me said he defy curfew.
I am kashmiri this is my big crime.
I want islamic rule this is my crime.
I hate india this is my crime.
I love kashmir & kashmiri nation this is my crime no india no pakistan we want free kashmir this is my big crime.

what a pathetic display of Islamofacism. India is a very decent country and 180 million muslims live here happily. Kashmir does not belong to Muslims alone. There are Pandits, Dogras and other Hindus. I am sure India government will never listen to fools like you. Your fate in Pakistan will be no better than what Ahmedis are facing right now. You will be killed for not being the right muslim.

I was saddened by the reports that a lot of Kashmiris got killed during the past decades. But my country will never allow Kashmir away – whatever the costs. Muslims have this habit of populating areas which do not belong to them and then demand Islamisation- like in indinesia and Malasiya. Your idea of a free kashmir will never work out. You Kashmiris will massacare and cleanse ethinically all Sikhs, Pndits, Hindus and Budhists left in the valley. I will take a bet on it.

Actually, they aren’t! They do not derive their sense of self and esteem from their geo-political position. You Kashmiri Muslim pigs self-project your own flaws and failures onto other peoples. And I blame the media for this, for giving you the false sense of significance. You people are good-for-nothing losers who haven’t contributed anything of significance to humanity for your past 700 years of existence. To be frank, very few outside Kashmir even care about you people really. We are already in possession of your land. What are you going to do about it? If you try to fuck us again, you will only end up fucking yourselves as usual. LOL.

I AM PAKISTANI AND KASHMIRI KASHMIR BANAY GA PAKISTAN GAY HIND BHARAT MATA KI GAAND MAIN LUND ……FUCKIN INDIAN FILTHIEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD SUPER POWER IN DREAMS ITS MATTER OF TIME NO USA IN AFGHANISTAN KASHMIR WILL BE HELL FOR INDIA AND HINDUS BHARAT TERI MAUT AAI LASHKAR AAI LASHKAR AAI

Wow. You really sound like a Kashmir-loving, Islam-loving, Quran-abiding, Mohammed-worshipping Muslim there. Keep it up! Such sweet language of peace and ‘submission’! May Allah grant you Jannat for this language alone!

To the moderator….PLS REMOVE THE POSTER WHICH DEPICTS NAGALIM, MANIPUR AND ASSAM. We are absolute Indians unlike the way you think and write crap here. The name which u have depicted is an insult to we NE Indians. WE LOVE INDIA! JAI HIND!

Thanks for the kind words. Please don’t go crying to Pakistan for help, since your enemy is so cowardly and weak in your opinion. Where is the need? They anyway kick your backside black and blue, ask USA for money in your name and spend it on renovating Generals’ bungalows!

I am proud to be kashmiri, i dont like india niegther indians all ppl from north east or south indians dont like kashmiris as we are diffirent and more influential. South indians not happy becoz kashmir an international issue we have support from everywhere in world real support from Iran, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Iraq, etc because they know we are one of them. so best policy is let indians bark

I am kashmiri
I am Hizbollah
i Want my kashmir back
Give my heaven back

i have visited kashmir last week,actually its a heaven …i liked it…people are very good … govt has to improve more job and education opportunities…But u people are safe with india compared to pakistan and china…atleast yu have freedom….

Im a Kashmiri living in Kashmir and let me make it clear to you indians what kashmiris think. Say if tomorrow China was to occupy india and then make it a part of china. What would you say? You are chinese then? Same is with Kashmir. We were never ever a part of india and never will be. Kashmir is an internationally recognized dispute.
I dont hate any common indians, but i hate indian army, indian government and any indian who continues to say that kashmir is a part of india like a donkey. There was Jihad in kashmir in 1989, that movement is a bit weak now due to some reasons which but the sentiment for freedom is the greatest at this point of time. InshAllah, jihad will start again and believe me this indian army you boast of are cowards and weak subhumans, for every single mujahid in Kashmir india has 3000 army men. lol Bravery??

I admire your Jehadi spirit. I reiterate the point that I have made before in previous comments. Islam does not believe in territorial boundaries. Therefore, an Islam-quoting fight for territorial disputes is an unislamic anachronism. Making it an excuse for violent actions against innocent citizens (of Kashmir!) is heinous. Propogating hate (note how many times you have used that word above) on such fictitious issues is a crime in the eyes of God (Allah, if you please!). Get over it. The faster, the better!

Second point: There was a time when every state, perhaps district, in India was no less than a seperate nation. The time is long gone. J&K can not be an exception to this. Please stop sc**wing up your life and those of others by offering justifications for ruthless murderers and their despicable acts, lest others find it tempting to emulate you!

Yes, we can see that; as Jammu and Kashmir has been freed from Indian control and is now the Islamic Republic of Kashmir; with its capital at Srinagar and Jammu. LMAO. OK sarcasm aside, all the peoples of the Indian subcontinent; be they Indian citizens, Nepalese, Sri Lankans, Maldivians, Pakistanis (except Baloch), and the Pakhtuns of Afghanistan are Indian by geography. Since Kashmir is geographically a part of the Indian subcontinent, Kashmiris are not an exception.

I’ve been to Kashmir twice.. And love it.. There are some issues (serious issues) but its not like any other country doesn’t has issues.. It was all peaceful before 1989..
And to those saying Kashmir was never a part of india.. Go check your history and your facts.. Kashmir has always been India..
Try acting Indians again and see the difference..
I guarantee each and every Indian feels the pain when even one of our Kashmiri people die..
There’s no hatred in our hearts.. Just love..

wat history…. India was f***ng created in 1947 itself. U don’t act a nationality or tribe, nobody does. A man is wat a man is.
“Try acting Indians again and see the difference..” I love ua logic howsoever stupid it is..BTW can u try and act Chinese

Your article was very touching and informative. But I have one question about your Lavass and Noon Chai stuff. I understand that the life at your village/ native place is very easy going and simple. But as people say that Kashmir is the Switzerland of India, is it really a Switzerland. I mean, how much revenue do your people earn, you have any idea? Well with all due respects, the Swiss are enterprising people and have an advanced economy, much more than India. But in Switzerland the locals don’t have time to fool around. The people in Kashmir can enjoy Chai and Nashta because they dont have jobs out there. You are already getting Food at 1/4 rate, cheaper than the Ration, the Below Poverty Line people get. That’s why you can earn a small amount and live life like a noble. Let’s assume you guys get freedom, now Jammu and Laddakh won’t join you, that you know. What will you do? join Pakistan (don’t tell you want to go Afghan’s way), if not then what will you feed your generation, without cutting trees for wheat fields, or without making a single factory, ever thought? Wake up Sir, you are an educated man. Don’t talk like a kid or a bard. The Chai you sip comes from Assam and the bread from Punjab. There is NO BIG AGRICULTURE production in your Kashmir District other than Apples and Kesar. Let Kashmir be what it is, and savour its protected Kashmiriyat. Let us stay together and join the rat race of competition. Problem are there in every state, but we have learned to adjust.

As a Kashmiri from Poonch, I am simply amazed the duplicity of the author. On one hand he is enjoying the freedom of expression in India and on the other he is uncomfortable living in India. Maybe it is typical of the valley people – heads I win tails I lose. Try using freedom of speech in Lahore or even in Kotli.

Hindus never hate muslims as lot of Indian muslims have climbed up to good posts and have also earned a good amount of wealth.They want to be identified as Indians only as they are indians in any case. But Kashmiris and mostly muslims over there always have dreamt of living with Pakistan or under Islamic Law which ironically in India is difficult to exist. It is a well known fact that Hindus in Kashmir were virtually driven away. No kashmiri Muslim even shed a tear for them.Kashmir Land belongs to India and Indians should ensure thatLand is thiers.Whichever Kamiris do not want to stay in India,they can go to places of thier choice.But a kashmiriwho wants to stay should have his loyalties with India.If i do not like India, there is no point staying in Indian Land and trying to create sympathy that i am wronged.
Bharat Mata ki Jai

Okay Mr.Zaffar , you don’t identify yourself as an Indian .
But what was the reason your ancestors drove us Kashmiri Pandits out ? Does one have to be a muslim to be a Kashmiri ?

I am a kashmiri Pandit and i was too young when the expulsion of Kashmiri Pandits took place but my parents remember to vividly . Thank god we didn’t loose anyone but imagine us leaving our homes and that too the neighbors forcing us to do so by force , The neighbors which we trusted once , shared joy’s and sorrows with , Celebrated occasions with , Trusted . They turned on us .

So I’m sorry Mr.Zaffar but i believe that the situation will not solve itself by separation of kashmir . When kashmir will achieve Civil peace then all its problems will disappear and for that the kashmiri muslims need to change their attitude and stop supporting separatist parties .

they only see human right violation against muslims. kashmiri pandits and fauji are not human. they don’t have families. they don’t feel pain. who were killing the pandits and soldiers?? kashmiri jihadi terrorists. killing of terrorists were the reaction of the army and it was just. there could have been atrocities, but aate ke saath ghun toh pista he hai. agar soldiers aur panditon ko marne dete toh inko koi problem nhi thi. think again

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Have studied with Kashmiris for several years in the university.The mentality they hv displayed here is exactly wat they used to display there.It hurts sometimes seeing no matter how much you will love and accomodate them , they will only frown,complain and hate.Which religion teaches this? If you are true Islamists how can you hate Hindus?Is this what Kuran teaches? Even if you want to separate, how and why do you deny how India has spent biggest chunks of income tax deducted from rest of us on thankless people like you for over 2 decades now?

Have studied with Kashmiris for several years in the university.The mentality they hv displayed here is exactly wat they used to display there.It hurts sometimes seeing no matter how much you will love and accomodate them , they will only frown,complain and hate.Which religion teaches this? If you are true Islamists how can you hate Hindus?Is this what Kuran teaches? Even if you want to separate, how and why do you deny how India has spent biggest chunks of income tax deducted from rest of us on thankless people like you for over 2 decades now?True Kashmiri muslims hv suffered? But Kashmiri pundits hvnt? Army personnel who get killed there dnt hv families? ?People terrorists keep killing in blasts dnt hv families?What ll happen to you peopke if child of each person in India affected by Islamic hatred picks a gun and turns its hatred on Kashmir? India is a very tolerant country,many Indian Muslims are more patriotic than Hindus I know.Dnt spread your hatred here.If you feel so discriminated go back to Kashmir or PAk or whereever the hell you want.

Actually Islam, Judaism and Christianity are in essence, if taken literally very intolerant to existence of people of any other religion from their own. Christians will constantly try to convert you and Islam is intolerant to anyone around them that doesn’t believe in their religion, you are either bullied into converting or killed. All religions are bullshit but Islam is the most threatening with its followers so hell bent on removing all infidels or kaafirs from the face of earth. The usual rhetoric of a Muslim person is that every muslim should make as many kids and convert as many people as possible so that one day it can be influential enough to bully everyone into being a Muslim or choose death. Of course, you would hardly find a country with muslim majority which is also secular.

were you part of the Bajrang Dal mob in kishtwar?
Tell us more about how little you understand islam and how much you hate it.

Hindu’s were allowed to practice their religion in peace by a clause in Islam called Jizya. Which is tax on non-musims. If a society is to progress everyone must to their part, even non-muslims. If muslims were paying zakat why would the non-muslims not pay Jizya? If they wouldn’t it would create animosity towards non-muslims. Henceforth Jizya is a protection money that non-muslims paid. And thus Hinduism survived in the subcontinent.

Have studied with Kashmiris for several years in the university.The mentality they hv displayed here is exactly wat they used to display there.It hurts sometimes seeing no matter how much you will love and accomodate them , they will only frown,complain and hate.Which religion teaches this? If you are true Islamists how can you hate Hindus?Is this what Kuran teaches? Even if you want to separate, how and why do you deny how India has spent biggest chunks of income tax deducted from rest of us on thankless people like you for over 2 decades now?True Kashmiri muslims hv suffered? But Kashmiri pundits hvnt? Dnt spread your hatred here.If you feel so discriminated go back to Kashmir or PAk or whereever the hell you want.

@Tvaya zuu great what a study made by u can ask u how we are thankless it is if we don;t pay tax it is as if kashmiri are BPL are are fed by your income Tex let me be clear we are being treated as Colony Our Natural Resoures used not for us, Power Porjects Built not for Kashmir and People with

And HOW Simple it is SAY GO BACK TO PAK OR TO HELL . GO BACK TO PAK,,
AS IF WE HAVE CAME FROM THERE..

Please don’t go to Pak. Stay here. It seems you love life under the twin shadow of terrorist guns and AFSPA too much! Such fun!! To top it all, you have the bottled djin called Gilani issuing protest fatwas. Wow! I envy you, lucky bugger!!

Too bad, one day it will all come to an end, with the scrapping of article 370. Enjoy until then! Jihad roxxx!! :)

I forward tvaya zuu’s views and so what u are paying the taxes. Kashmiri’s(dont want to be indians) are anyway depriving the Indians of their share. Everything is subsidised for you. And you talk abt being treated as an Irani. Well if u considered yourself a part of India from the beginning this would not have happened. How is it that Kashmiri Pandits are not treated a Foreigners while Muslims are, since both of them look the same. Pandits are able to gel into the Indian Fabric coz’ they know they are Indians and not aliens. Well i guess Kashmiri Muslims think of themselves as aliens to Indians and India and want to be treated as such and that is why they see Indians discriminating against them. Well Kashmiri Muslims need to open their eyes and realise something that, India is a diverse country and so people will look different all the time. Yet the differences could be overcome had u been proud of your Indian identity. Coz’ this identity unites all Indians. Those who dont think of themselves as Indians will obviously have issues with identity. Kashmiri Pandits dont have them coz’ they are clear with their Indian identity. Anyway, what did the Kashmiri identity give the Pandits, exile, and bloodshed by their own people. Indian identity atleast saved them, that they found a place in India. Clearly Kashmiri identity is nothing to be proud of if it offers just death/exile to the people of one faith and benefits to the people of other faith.If Kashmiri identity is so biased then hell with it. So, Mr. Writer bear in mind that when Kashmiri Muslims gave slogans like this: ‘Raliv Chaliv ya Galiv’ to the pandits , or ‘Assi gachi panu’nay pakistan, batav rostuy, batenein saan'( source: our moon has blood clots) while cleaning Kashmir of Pandits which is the worst human right’s violation, they lost all the rights to be treated as equals in India. And your position further degraded with Afzal Guru ‘s Parliament Bombing. Dont go around whining abt. being treated unfairly by common indians in Delhi whom your folks have hurt. Indians are with you as long as unjust treatments by the army is concerned, coz’ we are a nation of noble people and we value human life. But it is high time to reflect on the actions of your people embracing Jehadi Islam and then having caused the exodus of Pandits. Even girls from Kashmir view Jehad as right, girls who have supposedly Engineering degrees from Kashmir. May God give some sense and ability to rationally view things to Kashmiri Muslims and give up the fanatical drive for Azaadi.

What I gave you were facts, what you have are fabrications and distortions of history. What you have is irrationality and parochialism. Open your mind to the bloodshed that Kashmiri Muslims have condoned.

You Kashmiri Muslims are the most hypocritical, narcissistic, bigoted, communal-minded, narrow-minded, and brain-washed people on the entire Indian sub-continent. Even Pakistanis are far better than you people.

Well, I have some strong disagreements with you. First, I would like to point out that it were the kashmiris who gave anti Indian statements, Indian flag burning etc. This is always in news and still you wonder why Indians developed anti kashmiri sentiment. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction bro, newtons words hold true everywhere. You hated us so we hated you back. What’s so surprising about this? Secondly, I know many Kashmiri people as I’m a kashmiri pundit in delhi. I never discriminate against them nor do I ever see them getting discriminated against. Everybody faces discrimination in life. Do you see me crying about how KPs were forced to leave Kashmir? Do I complain that my ancestors were made to leave and that my lost my homeland? India is my homeland and where ever I stay in India becomes my home. You have to understand one thing, Kashmiri people started the whole issue and India only reacted to it. India sent its army to Kashmir only after terrorism. Any country would do so to save its national border. Kashmir can’t be claimed as its always been a part of India. That way every state would start demanding separation. No, that just won’t happen buddy, Kashmir is first India’s then people of the state. National interest is higher than state interest. If I move into a house on rent and then after few years start demanding that landlord give my my room permanently or I’ll resort to violence, what do you think he will do? India is doing the same. Please maintain peace in Kashmir, don’t support terrorism, gladly accept India and live harmoniously with other religions and see how Indian brothers greet you with warm smiles and open arms , army will go away in days as well. You have to take the first step and then see the good results.

You muslim Kashmiris tiny head can’t get this..India is huge country..just because most of western India was converted to Islam by barbarity ..most of those ppl today including Kashmir became muslim dominated..If you were Hindus or Buddhist today u wont allign with central asia..and if u read history of central asia..u will realise that even they were Indians at one time..go and check places and history of origins of Baghdad, Samarkhand,Tashkhand etc.

Actually, Muslims never ruled India for 1000 years. Democracy is a modern phenomenon. It took over 500 years for Muslim invaders to establish Muslim rule in most of North India; and it reached its epoch under Akbar of the Mughals; who was an apostate who left Islam and started his own religion Din-e-Ilahi and abandoned many of the discriminatory policies of the previous Muslim rulers; such as the jaziya and special tax on Hindu temples. Mughal rule lasted for 165 years, and even then, they never ruled entire India. Islamic rule in India in general is characterized by wide-spread loot and destruction; and brutal persecution, forced conversions, and massacres of millions of non-Muslims. The liberal policies of Akbar was reversed by his fanatic Muslim successors: Jahangir, Shah Jahan, and Aurangzeb. The claim that Islamic rule was tolerant and non-communal is as false and bogus as Kashmiriyat.

Religion was not significant as it today for rulers in India. Please go do your research. Religion was not an issue for Akbar and the likes. They understood that to have the Indian peoples respect and acceptance they had to be tolerant to their religion. Sharukh Khan, Salman Khan and numerous other Muslims in India are like rulers here. They are also tolerant to Hindus and the people. They realize that the majority population for all of Indian history has been of Hindus. India is and always has been a Hindu state, taken over/conquered at numerous instances by various rulers from Europe and Central Asia.

Hindu’s were allowed to practice their religion in peace by a clause in Islam called Jizya. Which is tax on non-musims. If a society is to progress everyone must to their part, even non-muslims. If muslims were paying zakat why would the non-muslims not pay Jizya? If they wouldn’t it would create animosity towards non-muslims. Henceforth Jizya is a protection money that non-muslims paid. And thus Hinduism survived in the subcontinent.

Your explanation is actually obfuscation. Muslims do not pay Zakat to non Muslims, so why should non Muslims pay Jizya to Muslims?

The other points brought out by the commentator, about forced conversions at swordpoint and Islam-sanctioned destruction of temples are factually correct. Even if we do not accept the VHP-type figure of thousands of temples, there are historically proven instances of temple-demolition, undertaken merely to assert supremacy of Islam and show the Hindus their place, so to speak.

If you provide me with your email ID, ican mail you a full list of temple desecrations by Islamic rulers.

Umm non-muslims pay Jizya for the reason I explained in the above post. Muslims pay zakat for the betterment of the society in which they etch their existence. On your logic…The government doesnt pay taxes to people so why should the people pay taxes to the government! Get outa here ol man….this clearly shows your hypocrisy and hatred.

How history a justification for the present? Or do you see yourself as supreme lords that are above murder, malice, rapes, and committing heinous atrocities !?

Kashmiri logon ko itna bhi ehsaas nahi ho rahaa ki Kashmir ko Afghanistan ki hi tarah banaa ki koshish hai, specifically to target the Dar-Ul-Harb, which India is in front of Pakistan( the Dar-ul-Islam). With Geelani of Hurriyat having said in a number of his speeches that Kashmiris are Pakistanis and they must be with Pakistan,I cant understand how can the Kashmiri people be so ignorant. Their lands are being turned, the culture of Kashmir is being destroyed by the very people they are with. Its for the Muslims to decide now.

1. You are exaggerating grossly and needlessly (should I also say, mischievously). As the terrorist violence is going down, so are the unfortunate incidents of collateral casualties. In fact, these days, even one civilian death is taken very seriously by the govt and the forces – and rightly so.

2. The ‘lakhs’ of Kashmiris (and non-Kashmiris) who died in violence over last thirty years or so, include locals, Pakistani (and of other nationalities) terrorists and security persons. I need not reiterate that the forces are not holidaying in J&K. They are doing a job that is a national necessity. In fact, they are doing it at the cost of their primary role – that of defending the borders. I also need not reiterate that the violence in J&K was started by the Jihadi groups and not by the Indian forces.

3. Seperatist and anti-state movements are not new to India. They have happened in other parts in past. Some are still going oon. J&K terrorism is just one manifestation of the national security challenges facing India. India has no option but to fight, no matter how much time it takes.

Kashmiris have alienated themselves..from the Indian culture and mindset..
In India even a small labourer coming from a small state knows that if he wants to become big in life he has to work..hard..

I doubt if kashmiris have understood that..
Kashmiris have alienated themselves and feel superior to Indians because of maybe their looks…they shudn’t…They look no different than any pakistani or any other north Indian..
we have large populations of Guptas, Baniyas and Marwaris…and other respectable classes ho exist peacefully in India..They dun ask for a special treatment or a different country.. for themselves..

If kashmiris want a new country for themselves..they are disillusioned by power hungry clerics and politicians..a small country the size of state can never survive..

If Kashmiris want to join Pakistan…They should take a visa and go to pakistan…

Because India recgnises kashmir as an integral part of India..primarily because it was orginally a State ruled by a Hindu King..!

Okay .I returned from Kashmir a week ago after a one week trip of Srinagar. There was a firing at Lal Chowk while I was there. One thing , Dear Kahmiris, Why dont you think about a simple fact that if you want azaad kashmir… thats entirely what you want. But that land is also shared by Ladakhis and Sikhs as well. You cannot say anything about them. You want to go, you please pack your bags and leave, coz if you are betraying us then even we are not interested in keeping you. Cross the border and please FUCKING LEAVE ! But our sikh and buddhist people will stay AND THAT TOO ON THEIR OWN LAND WHICH IS KASHMIR ! Got THAT ! Now, I am a kashmiran. But almost 100 years ago some afghan forces came and drove my forefathers out….. By force. But originally our tribe migrated from kashmir to UP. Then who gave us sharan.. Hindus and Indians. Albeit its way back in time. Later in time same thing happened to Hindu Pandits. This is what you people have been doing . Kashmir is rightfully NOT YOURS ! IT IS OURS ! And about your concerns for education ! Arre bhaiyya ! Education to in india in so many parts is not even ‘touchable’ , at least you have schools and colleges- those in which you do not send your children because of Geelani’s fatwas. So stop the false ranting. Coz we have seen – and yes I have seen worst situations, second, Kashmiris are not as beautiful as made out to be- we have so many south indian women in cinema who fails kashmiri women ( I having the same kashmiri genes am saying this ) – By far far measures! Deepika, Anushka, all tall and dusky bangalorians with almond eyes and good features and buttery skin! Oh my my ! And kashmir ! Yaar women are so fair – we cant even distinguish where eyes and lips are – no colour – so pale ! So stop thinking about yourself as some hoor ki pari and paraas, coz if south indians are pigs, then you are bhainsas ( Cows) :) . Okay . And then. Please go yaar. Leave us. Leave INdia. And let us stay in peace. We dont need people like you. Jitna khilaao usse zyaada tum dhokha dete ho. I feel ashamed of you people. And I am amazd you dont. Shayad jab pakistan ke jootey saaf karoge tab tumme akal aaegi ki India tumhe kya de raha tha. Anyway yaar. Kashmir is ours. Land is ours. You people can leave. But Kashmir as a land, stays ! Ciao !

You are under some assumption of my religion. If I quoted from the gospel you would presume else wise. You assume and you make an ass-out-of-u. But keep it up, it only shows your hubris and borderline lunacy to the readers.

You grind in here day in & day out looking to pick intellectual fights. As it were, this behavior is also knows as trolling.

There are more comments than there are articles on here, most of which fuel the fires of tyranny, hypocrisy, jingoism, fascism & demagoguery.

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You continue to reply ..and try to hostage Kashmirwallas with jingoism, demagoguery and hypocrisy Keep it up..the word is just spreading with each reply..this and the next

You have rightly highlighted my unilateral assumption about your religion. In absence of indications to the contrary, I would continue holding on it.

You have been gracious enough to acknowledge my attempts at discussion as intellectual fights. Thank you. But then trolls do not care for intellectual fights. So you should not label me one.

Not that it matters much. I am not easily offended. :)

If I may say it frankly, your remarkable linguistic embellishments fail to conceal the fact that you pile them on simply to avoid addressing my arguments. I am sure those opposed to me will also notice it.

Well with logic like that, its guilty until proven otherwise and not vice versa then?

Your trolling speaks volume in of itself, I am not the judge of it. You have shown that yourself :) granted you are a well versed troll, however thats hardly a face-saver.

Our linguistic skills aside, I have not concealed anything. I am forthright at stating why any argument with you and the like is fruitless. Your positions are well cemented, only thing remains is some proof of your mongering being sponsored.

We will keep digging for those. Your facebook page does categorically states your employer as GOI, unless that was some hollow tout on your part?

Whichever is the facebook page you refer to, it is one among perhaps a million (if not more) where user claims GOI to be his/her employer. By your logic, the Kashmirwalla website should have crashed under hostile traffic. I suggest you stop tilting at windmills.

Wriggling out by saying that it is futile to counter (because the other side is well-cemented etc – whatever that means), is actually an admission that it is inconvenient and difficult to disprove the opposite views.

By the way, who in Harvard gave you the idea that spamming a well-cemented idea with copy-pasted comments will help you win the case? You may like to have a word with him/her again! :)

No The argument isn’t towards a Million or more people who use facebook or whatever. The argument is you as an agent of the hegemony are not/cannot pose valid arguments due to their clear and persistent agendas with which they are preceded. Once again, It isn’t because you think I am incapable to discussion. Its because any discussion with You in particular has been fruitless due to your denials and continued rhetoric.

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this is all just bullshit,kashmir was not muslim just 500 years back,this moronic idea of seperation came when the filth of islam encroached in j and k,the so called peaceful soofis were the one behind demolition of famous hindu buddhist temples including martand temple and thousands other,today these asswipes who are demanding freedom in the name of kashmir are not kashmiri themslves,they are more arabies than kashmiris,ask them the origin of the name of kashmir,it was named after hindu sage,why only kashmir? wherever the muslim animals are increasing or are in majority,that state is demanding freedom,give them freedom then they will spread their islamic shit in neighboring states,because thats what these islamic thugs are,i may sound like some dictator but only solution to this problem is to kick out these traitors to a part we hav already donated,convert them or put them in gas chambers.it is really horrible to read but you will see that the slow bloodshed these animals are inflicting will b more than gas chamber ones in due time.

Where ever you try to spew hatred this message will follow it in’Shaa’Allah

The Holy Quran is the most read Text in the world, it is also the most mis-read, i.e people read it without knowledge of the meaning.

If the Holy Quran is read with meaning and understood then In’Shaa’Allah many problems of this world will cease to be.

Currently our ummah is divided and without a clear path. In’Shaa’Allah the ummah will come together soon and lead the way once again.

Nothing escapes aakhira.. we all must atone and face Allah, this is the only truth in the world.

I do not believe in the violent means by which our religion is being labeled, but I do believe in fighting against tyranny. for what good are my legs if I am made to kneel forever.

These attacks against what is being said in the defense of Kashmir & Kashmiris are just that.

One has to also wonder about the timing of this backlash against Kashmiris by the likes of Sanjeev and the many names the person uses to pander. The BJP run on the platform of division, this is what I see these people doing.

My message is clear, a believer (a MUSLIM) until he/she interpret the Holy Quran in full meaning and applies that to their life, we will continue to suffer.

The uneducated and ignorant are easily brainwashed, this enables clerics and muftis to take advantage of a desperate situation.

If only one person reads this and passes it on to others then Sanjeev & the Kind have done us a service since this message has gone through to someone.

Let us thank him/them.

The compulsion to try and get in the last word is well defined in Psychology, known as ‘Takers.’ Islam also prohibits us from trying to get in the last word within an argument.

My aim here is not to get in the last word, rather present the readers with an option.

It brings me a great pain, when i see kashmiri people talk about ever single incidence of human right violation. When they talk about their dead and missing, i feel bad for them, and i feel ashamed of my Govt for letting this happen, but then i stop and think, where are WE in this picture. Why they never talk about kashmiri pandits’ FORCED mass exodus.
Pandits were abused, brutalized, terrorized and forced to flee their homeland. A distant mosque announcing ” ai kafiro kashmeer hamaara chhor do” Groups of people threatening us to leave, and not even a single kashmiri protesting for us.
where was the stone pelting, mass protests, kashmiriyat???
Kashmir’s so called freedom struggle is certainly has no place for jammu people, for laddakhis, for sikhs and hindus, for gujjars and bakkarwals. It is highly exclusive and utterly fails on moral grounds.
As a kashmiri, i feel betrayed by kashmiri muslims and i do not have any support for separate kashmir.

You sound as if you are being magnanimous and doing the KP community a big favour by “allowing” them to come back. Nobody asked you whether you denied anything. The question is why they were hounded out of the Valley.

If you find it difficult to verbalise the answer, let me assist you. They were seen as loathsome unbelievers by the Paki-influenced Jihadis of Hizb, and later by the Wahabi cadres of Lashkar and other Jihadi marauder gangs. They were seen as an impediment (not to say as vulnarable soft targets) to the Islamisation project funded by Saudi money and enforced by Paki guns and bombs.

Blaming Jagmohan for the flight of KPs is just one more example of the venal contempt Jihadi thought has for honest truth. However, it doesn’t come as a surprise to me, neither does it make any difference to the Indian policy. This hate-based ideology is a beastly menace. Giving in to it will only worsen the bloodbath, not end it. India has no option but to fight.

By the way, I must remind you to desist raising the Taliban bogey and the ridiculous red-flags about another insurrection (using innovative words such as Intfada!). In 1990s, J&K had thousands of terrorists operating with formidable weaponry. They could not “liberate” an inch of the state. I am sure you understand what 200-odd, with depleted ammo can do.

Anyone who wishes to travel to Dojakh via J&K is welcome. Indian forces, as always, are fully prepared to deal with any threat to national security that may manifest itself in J&K or elsewhere in India.

ok ..so Kashmiri’s didn’t oust the Pandit brothers..it was the other radical elements for which the mighty indians have been punishing the kashmiris ???

You are once again a few cents short a dollar ol man.

You response the same way no matter what, its pathetic really.

‘jihadi’ this jihadi that..you are creating bogeymen as we speak..

here this is where I will spam you now…..ready here it is..you know why spamming you is relevant? To denounce the denouncer

Ran out of lies, deception, coercion and innuendo ??

Or perhaps you are busy with planning that yamraj visit :)

Sanjeeev is a Liar, deceiver, & a Charlatan. Confront him with anything he will label your argument as a ‘jihadi’ etc etc.. Him & the like are only in here for to spread malcontent. They are the sort that after the army kills bystanders, terms it ‘alleged killing’ while on the same hand when a few ‘mighty’ gun trotting jawans are killed you hear from them “jawans were butchered” another ploy of the hegemonic beast. He is nothing but a tool.

what scholarly work has he done, all he does is denounce scholars and those that speak out against the brutality.

Soon he will be visited by yamraj and be born again as an e-coli inside a homosexuals rectum. This he may enjoy ….here is a smiley face ol man :)

“They are all welcome back” hell man….dey r traitors dey ll again side wid occupational forces jus because of der religion n let other Kashmiris die. Dey choose Delhi over Kashmir. I am a Kashmiri, ve given my part of sacrifices n I know many Kashmiris like me who don’t want dem back n our tribe is Increasing. Dey r not coming back. Period

Your guess is as good as mine. However, you have conveniently added the troops deployed along the border to this figure. May I respectfully remind you that these troops will continue to be in J&K even if Syed Salahuddin and SAS Geelani convert to Hinduism and sing Vande Mataram every day in Lal Chowk! :)

Please quote the figure of troops deployed in counter terrorism grid for the purpose of discussion. It is a fraction of the number you have mentioned.

If there are truly Jihadi elements about India, the bogeymen which you have been conjuring..well it cant be that difficult for them to track you and then…the ol yamraj :) this will prove you correct ol man :) but alas you will not be around to celebrate, as you will be getting a hot load across your cell membrane in the rectum you will back in :) ol man

hahahah you are so serene :) your will to keep going is proof enough of your motives.

here it is again so that the person who read your previous comment can read this to go along with it.

Shouldn’t you rid of yourselves for any serious discussion to take place.

You are being filibustered…get used to it You Fascist PIG!!

You are once again a few cents short a dollar ol man.

You response the same way no matter what, its pathetic really.

‘jihadi’ this jihadi that..you are creating bogeymen as we speak..

here this is where I will spam you now…..ready here it is..you know why spamming you is relevant? To denounce the denouncer

Ran out of lies, deception, coercion and innuendo ??

Or perhaps you are busy with planning that yamraj visit :)

Sanjeeev is a Liar, deceiver, & a Charlatan. Confront him with anything he will label your argument as a ‘jihadi’ etc etc.. Him & the like are only in here for to spread malcontent. They are the sort that after the army kills bystanders, terms it ‘alleged killing’ while on the same hand when a few ‘mighty’ gun trotting jawans are killed you hear from them “jawans were butchered” another ploy of the hegemonic beast. He is nothing but a tool.

what scholarly work has he done, all he does is denounce scholars and those that speak out against the brutality.

Soon he will be visited by yamraj and be born again as an e-coli inside a homosexuals rectum. This he may enjoy ….here is a smiley face ol man :)

My life is fine, thanks for your sarcastic concern. As a Harvard Alum I enjoy life in more ways than you can imagine.

Like I said that fast approaching door to senility & retirement has made you go loony..Keep you your loony tunes ..ol man :)

Oh did I mention..eat a dick you parasite !!!

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Sanjeeev is a Liar, deceiver, & a Charlatan. Confront him with anything he will label your argument as a ‘jihadi’ etc etc.. Him & the like are only in here for to spread malcontent. They are the sort that after the army kills bystanders, terms it ‘alleged killing’ while on the same hand when a few ‘mighty’ gun trotting jawans are killed you hear from them “jawans were butchered” another ploy of the hegemonic beast. He is nothing but a tool.

what scholarly work has he done, all he does is denounce scholars and those that speak out against the brutality.

Soon he will be visited by yamraj and be born again as an e-coli inside a homosexuals rectum. This he may enjoy ….here is a smiley face ol man :)

It is very interesting you point out how you were singled out in Delhi and how it made you feel alienated. I am from Delhi and have lived in J&K for work. When I visit it, I see it as my home. The difference in perception comes from the difference in the conditions you were born in, the religion you were born in. I am so certain that it is so deeply enriched in your thought process that all non Muslims are Kaafirs and what not, that you cant even see the perspective of anyone but yours. If it was just a Kashmir issue why would you not be concerned about the Kashmiri Pandits and the other minorities in the state, why would be Pakistani cricket team cheered and Afridi revered unanimously throughout Kashmir, and not someone like Sourav Ganguly or Sachin Tendulkar. You have all been told that Hindus are toxic and bad news, that you need to fear them because they will kill you, or take off their clothes in front of you. I am not a Hindu, so I would not be taking sides if I said no one hates or singles out Kashmiris. Kashmiris just aren’t as well-comming in other states, they stay away and are hopelessly distant and cold. They are terrible at socializing and guarded for fear of judgement. I once asked a Kashmiri hostel mate in college if he could drink (alcohol, of course) and he stormed out saying “why do you have to bring religion into everything”. Truth is I wanted to only know if I was to offer him a drink at a party or not. It didnt even cross my mind what religion he believed in. I have a lot of reservations about India, because

I have live in the US for 6 years and then moved back, I hate it more than I love it, theres rampant discrimination on the basis of caste, religion, color, region. But of all the -isms or types of discriminations, religion is the least significant for most Indians. It was only after 9/11 and 26/11 that people became aware of the difference in Hindu, Muslim, Christians so on and so forth. And of all the cities in India, atleast in Delhi you celebrate every festival from Nowruz to Gurupurab to Eid to Diwali to Christmas in the same breath. In college I wished my Hindu friends Eid and they wished me back with the greatest exuberance and excitement.

You can go on and on about what the army did to your state or your people but if you were ever honest with yourself, you couldn’t possibly say Delhi treated you like an outsider even though you tried to assimilate as much as possible. You are a paranoid person, used to a familiar surrounding and people. You hate walking out of your nest and are blaming the world around you for bullying you or singling you out as an outsider. Its a shame that anyone gets to go to schools like JNU only on the basis of entrance exams and percentages. You should have not gotten that opportunity, someone who has an open mind would have been a lot more profitable off that experience and opportunity. I know of a Kashmiri Muslim girl I am very close to, and she loves Delhi, its people, the food and the Afghans in Lajpat Nagar. She feels more at home here because she came here with a blank slate and used her experiences to color up the canvas.

Maybe someday you can take a page from her book and see yourself as an Indian and not just a Kashmiri.

1. All non muslims are Kaafir yes, like all non Indians are Malechaas, like all non-Christians, n ol non jews are gentiles, wats wrong if I call u Kaafir.
2. Kashmiri Pandits sided with Indian Agencies so dey showed wer der loyalty is. Dey ceased to be Kashmiris once dey sided with Indian Occupational forces, so basically those ppl choose religion over nation.
3. Afridi is cheered because he belongs to country supporting our freedom cause n Virat is not liked much only because he belongs to the country of our oppressors, isn’t dat simple for ua peanut sized brain to understand
4. I drink a lot. I don’t stop until I am high as Fuck. M born into muslim family though.
5. I don’t ve problem wid hindus, I celebrate Diwali, I luv Ganpati Visargan wen m here in Mahrashtra.
Hope dis clears somethings

No one wants to cheer for the country that is oppressing its own people.

The thought process doesn’t develop all of a sudden, its a process that happens over time by experiencing repression, oppression, duality and onslaught.

Its very interesting you bring about Identity. The Kashmiri Identity has been systematically been eroded.

Are you stating that Kashmiris should not feel victimized rather appreciate the degradation, oppression that has come about the occupation?

I dont understand the point you are trying to make.

Our demand is simple. Leave us alone! Yet neither pakistan nor India allows us that. We continue to be caught between the devil & the high sea. Absolve us of what sin you think we have done to you and Leave us alone!

Sanjeev..This is not directed at you but to those that read your comments.

You need not reply, having said that you surely may. Be it denouncing these retorts as spam or any other jest you try. It will just get repeated over & over & over & over…catch my drift.. :)

If you are a regular on this site. You know these people like Sanjeev (& the like) as a craven sods that perpetuates the propaganda and agenda of India.

Their purpose is to coerce and deceive the outsider who doesn’t follow the Kashmir conflict with vigor.

Thus far they have abused, fueled hatful attacks both virtually and on ground.

Please take their responses with a grain of salt & ask yourself why the voice of the Kashmir walla is repeatedly attacked by these hate mongers.

I ask the reader to also consider the beauty of Kashmirwalla to allow them their voice as erroneous it may be. Regardless take this as your warning & please do your research on the Occupied region of Kashmir before coming to any conclusions.

The voice of the voiceless must carry on, wether being attacked by the likes of mentioned or gaged by agencies on the ground.

Truth must prevail, no matter how often and powerful the spin masters try to sabotage our attempts to putting it forth.

You are free to leave Indian soil and settle in Pakistan or elsewhere. We want only patriotic Kashmiris who identify themselves as Indians. Others are traitors of the nation and they will be treated as their deeds deserve. There is no point in blaming the Indian Army or the people of rest of India who consider traitors like you as dishonest back-stabbing scoundrels, who despite receiving all the concessions in terms of tax, education and jobs from the government wage war against the motherland and its people. You may dream and imagine just like many people of other states, that ‘ one day my state will become an independent country and secede from Indian rule ‘. It may happen, just like with other states, when India becomes Indian Union like European Union, with every states gaining their independence, but not before the next 100 or 200 years. Until then, you can continue your struggle, armed or peaceful, but in vain, as long as every son of the mother who calls himself an Indian who is willing the sacrifice his life for the motherland guards the borders with a weather eye on trouble makers, so that the rest of us can sleep peacefully at our homes.

It was never yours it can truly never be yours. Yours is the futility ours is the struggle. Say what you will, we know what we are and who we are. We know damn well what you are.

This is what the world needs to know. This is what you suppress. This is occupation. This is Kashmir.

Sanjeev..or whatever you have spawned into as profile names are not controlled on here. This is not directed at you but to those that read your comments.

You need not reply, having said that you surely may. Be it denouncing these retorts as spam or any other jest you try. It will just get repeated over & over & over & over…catch my drift.. :)

If you are a regular on this site. You know these people like Sanjeev (& the like) as a craven sods that perpetuates the propaganda and agenda of India.

Their purpose is to coerce and deceive the outsider who doesn’t follow the Kashmir conflict with vigor.

Thus far they have abused, fueled hatful attacks both virtually and on ground.

Please take their responses with a grain of salt & ask yourself why the voice of the Kashmir walla is repeatedly attacked by these hate mongers.

I ask the reader to also consider the beauty of Kashmirwalla to allow them their voice as erroneous it may be. Regardless take this as your warning & please do your research on the Occupied region of Kashmir before coming to any conclusions.

The voice of the voiceless must carry on, wether being attacked by the likes of mentioned or gaged by agencies on the ground.

Truth must prevail, no matter how often and powerful the spin masters try to sabotage our attempts to putting it forth.

Best Regards,

A Humble supporter of the Kashmiri Cause.

P.S

Thanks for helping us spread the word with every comment you post, this gets posted. :P

It was never yours it can truly never be yours. Yours is the futility ours is the struggle. Say what you will, we know what we are and who we are. We know damn well what you are.

This is what the world needs to know. This is what you suppress. This is occupation. This is #OccupiedKashmir.

Sanjeev this below paragraph is a thanks to you ol buddy for pointing out this slight. :)

Thank you for pointing out that poignant independent research of, unbiased, & unfiltered quality is needed. Without holding affiliations to one side or another. This must first be done by the reader. Clearly Sanjeev & the kind are adherent to one side of the story. Therefore we cannot take their points into account. Which brings me to yours truly, yes I and others like me are on the contrary, but I am not telling you, the reader what to believe, simply to do your research. Never mind, the research the charlatans try to pass off as such. If the the reader is blessed with intellect & can deduce upon the answer with following logic, then truly victory will be for the good.

Here are the common problems in arguments that occur or are caused. These are often used as tools and devices by certain un-named parties to coerce and deceive. Therefore it of utmost importance to be aware of the following Fallacies:

Here are some examples of fallacies you may encounter when making an argument:
Appeal to Ignorance – An appeal to ignorance occurs when one person uses another person’s lack of knowledge on a particular subject as evidence that their own argument is correct.
For example: “You can’t prove that there aren’t Martians living in caves under the surface of Mars, so it is reasonable for me to believe there are.”
Appeal to Authority – This type of fallacy is also referred to as Argumentum ad Verecundia (argument from modesty). In this case, rather than focusing on the merits of an argument, the arguer will try to attach their argument to a person of authority in an attempt to give credence to their argument.
For example: “Well, Isaac Newton believed in Alchemy, do you think you know more than Isaac Newton?”
Appeal to Popular Opinion – This type of appeal is when someone claims that an idea or belief is true simply because it is what most people believe.
For example: “Lots of people bought this album, so it must be good.”
Association Fallacy – Sometimes called “guilt by association,” this occurs when someone links a specific idea or practice with something or someone negative in order to infer guilt on another person.
For example: “Hitler was a vegetarian, therefore, I don’t trust vegetarians.”
Attacking the Person – Also known as Argumentum ad Hominem (argument against the man), this is quite a common occurrence in debates and refers to a person who substitutes a rebuttal with a personal insult.
For example: “Don’t listen to Eddie’s arguments on education, he’s an idiot.”
Begging the Question – This type of fallacy is when the conclusion of an argument is assumed in the phrasing of the question itself.
For example: “If aliens didn’t steal my newspaper, who did?” (assume that the newspaper was actually stolen).
Circular Argument – Also referred to as Circulus in Probando, this fallacy is when an argument takes its proof from a factor within the argument itself, rather than from an external one.
For example: “I believe that Frosted Flakes are great because it says so on the Frosted Flakes packaging.”
Correlation Implies Causation Fallacy – Otherwise known as Cum Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc, this is a fallacy in which the person making the argument connects two events which happen sequentially and assumes that one caused the other.
For example: “I saw a magpie and ten minutes later, I crashed my car, therefore, magpies are bad luck.”
False Dilemma/Dichotomy – Sometimes referred to as Bifurcation, this type of fallacy occurs when someone presents their argument in such a way that there are only two possible options.
For example: “If you don’t vote for this candidate, you must be a Communist.”
Non Sequitur – A fallacy wherein someone asserts a conclusion that does not follow from the propositions.
For example: “All Dubliners are from Ireland. Ronan is not a Dubliner, therefore, he is not Irish.”

Sanjeev..or whatever you have spawned into as profile names are not controlled on here. This is not directed at you but to those that read your comments.

You need not reply, having said that you surely may. Be it denouncing these retorts as spam or any other jest you try. It will just get repeated over & over & over & over…catch my drift.. :)

If you are a regular on this site. You know these people like Sanjeev (& the like) as a craven sods that perpetuates the propaganda and agenda of India.

Their purpose is to coerce and deceive the outsider who doesn’t follow the Kashmir conflict with vigor.

Thus far they have abused, fueled hatful attacks both virtually and on ground.

Please take their responses with a grain of salt & ask yourself why the voice of the Kashmir walla is repeatedly attacked by these hate mongers.

I ask the reader to also consider the beauty of Kashmirwalla to allow them their voice as erroneous it may be. Regardless take this as your warning & please do your research on the Occupied region of Kashmir before coming to any conclusions.

The voice of the voiceless must carry on, wether being attacked by the likes of mentioned or gaged by agencies on the ground.

Truth must prevail, no matter how often and powerful the spin masters try to sabotage our attempts to putting it forth.

Best Regards,

A Humble supporter of the Kashmiri Cause.

P.S

Thanks for helping us spread the word with every comment you post, this gets posted.

I didn’t write it for you in all honesty, Just for those under the threat of coercion by the likes of you.

Yes Indeed Harvard does rock, is this what you meant by ‘roxxx’? Not sure why you go around correcting other peoples vernacular yet steep to this jargon while attempting mockery, but alas its clear to see through. It resonates along the same lines of your propaganda and continued hypocrisy. A failed attempt nonetheless.

Since you are so interested in Harvard, I suggest you visit the following link:

Here you can find veritable information regarding the continuing education programs offered. If you are lucky enough to be accepted in the said programs, perhaps there is hope for your unfortunate mind yet.

Saying that one can coerce people through comments posted on internet is stretching credulity too far. I suspect that those who live daydreaming are prone to see a ghost in every night shadow. :)

If anything, blog posts should be a more desirable way of interaction, provided we are ready to go beyond name-calling, that is.

Someone – obviously not me – has posted a comment under the name Sanjeev. If it is not you, very good. If it was you, even better! Because it shows how you are raising (lowering?) the bar as far as untruths are concerned.

Thanks for contributing to the discussion. In your own way. Wish you do it under your own name though! :)

Saying that one can coerce people through comments posted on internet is stretching credulity too far. I suspect that those who live daydreaming are prone to see a ghost in every night shadow. :)

If anything, blog posts should be a more desirable way of interaction, provided we are ready to go beyond name-calling, that is.

Someone – obviously not me – has posted a comment under the name Sanjeev. If it is not you, very good. If it was you, even better! Because it shows how you are raising (lowering?) the bar as far as untruths are concerned.

Thanks for contributing to the discussion. In your own way. Wish you do it under your own name though! :)

Wow..as if sardonic japes weren’t enough for you, now you are so much obsessed as to hatch this little ploy.

I could care less about your ‘identity theft’ issues on here. It only proves my earlier made point that handles & names mean so very little upon this website.

Your continued efforts to save face by attacking me are fruitless yet again. But do try to spin it some more your way.

You are so obsessed with this naming business, certainly enough to raise a ponderous eye.

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This is my contribution to the discussion, or lack there of:

It was never yours it can truly never be yours. Yours is the futility ours is the struggle. Say what you will, we know what we are and who we are. We know damn well what you are.

This is what the world needs to know. This is what you suppress. This is occupation. This is #OccupiedKashmir.

Sanjeev this below paragraph is a thanks to you ol buddy for pointing out this slight. :)

Thank you for pointing out that poignant independent research of, unbiased, & unfiltered quality is needed. Without holding affiliations to one side or another. This must first be done by the reader. Clearly Sanjeev & the kind are adherent to one side of the story. Therefore we cannot take their points into account. Which brings me to yours truly, yes I and others like me are on the contrary, but I am not telling you, the reader what to believe, simply to do your research. Never mind, the research the charlatans try to pass off as such. If the the reader is blessed with intellect & can deduce upon the answer with following logic, then truly victory will be for the good.

Here are the common problems in arguments that occur or are caused. These are often used as tools and devices by certain un-named parties to coerce and deceive. Therefore it of utmost importance to be aware of the following Fallacies:

Here are some examples of fallacies you may encounter when making an argument:
Appeal to Ignorance – An appeal to ignorance occurs when one person uses another person’s lack of knowledge on a particular subject as evidence that their own argument is correct.
For example: “You can’t prove that there aren’t Martians living in caves under the surface of Mars, so it is reasonable for me to believe there are.”
Appeal to Authority – This type of fallacy is also referred to as Argumentum ad Verecundia (argument from modesty). In this case, rather than focusing on the merits of an argument, the arguer will try to attach their argument to a person of authority in an attempt to give credence to their argument.
For example: “Well, Isaac Newton believed in Alchemy, do you think you know more than Isaac Newton?”
Appeal to Popular Opinion – This type of appeal is when someone claims that an idea or belief is true simply because it is what most people believe.
For example: “Lots of people bought this album, so it must be good.”
Association Fallacy – Sometimes called “guilt by association,” this occurs when someone links a specific idea or practice with something or someone negative in order to infer guilt on another person.
For example: “Hitler was a vegetarian, therefore, I don’t trust vegetarians.”
Attacking the Person – Also known as Argumentum ad Hominem (argument against the man), this is quite a common occurrence in debates and refers to a person who substitutes a rebuttal with a personal insult.
For example: “Don’t listen to Eddie’s arguments on education, he’s an idiot.”
Begging the Question – This type of fallacy is when the conclusion of an argument is assumed in the phrasing of the question itself.
For example: “If aliens didn’t steal my newspaper, who did?” (assume that the newspaper was actually stolen).
Circular Argument – Also referred to as Circulus in Probando, this fallacy is when an argument takes its proof from a factor within the argument itself, rather than from an external one.
For example: “I believe that Frosted Flakes are great because it says so on the Frosted Flakes packaging.”
Correlation Implies Causation Fallacy – Otherwise known as Cum Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc, this is a fallacy in which the person making the argument connects two events which happen sequentially and assumes that one caused the other.
For example: “I saw a magpie and ten minutes later, I crashed my car, therefore, magpies are bad luck.”
False Dilemma/Dichotomy – Sometimes referred to as Bifurcation, this type of fallacy occurs when someone presents their argument in such a way that there are only two possible options.
For example: “If you don’t vote for this candidate, you must be a Communist.”
Non Sequitur – A fallacy wherein someone asserts a conclusion that does not follow from the propositions.
For example: “All Dubliners are from Ireland. Ronan is not a Dubliner, therefore, he is not Irish.”

Sanjeev..or whatever you have spawned into as profile names are not controlled on here. This is not directed at you but to those that read your comments.

You need not reply, having said that you surely may. Be it denouncing these retorts as spam or any other jest you try. It will just get repeated over & over & over & over…catch my drift.. :)

If you are a regular on this site. You know these people like Sanjeev (& the like) as a craven sods that perpetuates the propaganda and agenda of India.

Their purpose is to coerce and deceive the outsider who doesn’t follow the Kashmir conflict with vigor.

Thus far they have abused, fueled hatful attacks both virtually and on ground.

Please take their responses with a grain of salt & ask yourself why the voice of the Kashmir walla is repeatedly attacked by these hate mongers.

I ask the reader to also consider the beauty of Kashmirwalla to allow them their voice as erroneous it may be. Regardless take this as your warning & please do your research on the Occupied region of Kashmir before coming to any conclusions.

The voice of the voiceless must carry on, wether being attacked by the likes of mentioned or gaged by agencies on the ground.

Truth must prevail, no matter how often and powerful the spin masters try to sabotage our attempts to putting it forth.

Best Regards,

A Humble supporter of the Kashmiri Cause.

P.S

Thanks for helping us spread the word with every comment you post, this gets posted.

u ll find no Patriotic Indians in Kashmir only traitor Pandits, which have ceased to be Kashmiris once dey allingned wid delhi…n keep ua Imaginary mothers in ua pockets n be practical..piece of land is a piece of land and human is a human..wat personalising a country….mythological fairy tale people….get lost from Kashmir dogs

Go to Pakistan and raise same slogans in any Lahore university .. you would have caught and arrested. Its only India you can freely talk like this.. Kashmir is not a country and India considers as thrown of this subcontinent.

You have no future against India.. so leave dreaming and enjoy india. I live near JNU and can meet you about what India is .. don’t try be over smart. JNU is Asia’s best university and you are actually enjoying.

With due respect
Kashmir is burning issue in south asia.firstly we have to respect them weather they love to live india or kashmir or independent.kashmir belongs to kashmiries as other states on india belongs to their own people.
From last many decades people of kashmir are suffring as their bussiness their lives their kids their women are not save.They are not pressure by someone else but only due to the one million indian troops those are living in a small state.kashmir have turned into a ay camp or as a jail.No good colleges no universities no proper food and medication no hospitals no peace and no any lifestyle.
If dehli will allow ikashmiri people to rule kashmir as their wishes,india can earn more then any devolped country due tourism of kashmir.beautifull lakes lush green mountains awesome mornings and worldclass landscape.india can attarect billions of tourists every year to enjoy kashmir and it will boost economy infrastructure and life standered of disoppointed people of kashmir.
My opinion is both india and pakistan have to let them free to govern their own land by themselves.they have resources tourism and beauty and they can earn more then anyone.
Lastly,if india will continue state terrorism on people those owner of this heaven and make their lives as hell then reaction will come accross the country and we cannt control them

India should shoot each one of these bastards good for nothing lazy incompetent always complaining whining pussies. Grow up. Contribute something to the society. Thereis no free lunch. Bloody chutiyas.

as being indian youth we need to change the present situation of this country. i have seen many people discriminated on the basis on the basis of language religion even on the basis of there looks. i am well aware of kashmir problem human rights violation is everywhere in kashmir kashmiri people are seen as anti-national. The reason for such ‘a situation is less employment oppurtunities less education among people what kashmir needs is development most of the electricity requirement of india is fullfilled from the rivers originating from kashmir but still kaahmir withness the most shortage of electricity our govt. does not treats kashmir as there own all kashmir needs is more development oppurtunity . we as youth need to find a solution for such a problem.
lets hope that there would be a day when kashmiri people cud proudly say we’re Indians
long live india
jai hind

I have been to kashmir and i find ppl there very friendly n helpful. They feel india as their country and many voted in current LS Election 2014. I have seen many sikhs there living peacefully with kashmiris. Although kashmiris have some more advantage there than being a hindu. I have so many muslim neighbors in our near by area and they never complain about being treated like a foreigner or any type of discrimination. I agree ppl have impression for Muslims as a terrorist but v cant deny the fact that the majority of the terrorist are found to be muslims. However some mindless n uneducated ppl always see every muslim as a terrorist. Its 21st century i request the author as well as kashmirs or any type of muslim should change their thinking n attitude towards a hindu society and should accept themselves as an indian. They should move forward for the betterment of their society n development of their state rather than complaining.

As you sow , so shall you reap . You people are yourself responsible for the state of affairs . You need the best education from the rest of India but you do not want to be called as an Indian . This is Hypocrisy . What if Kashmir seperates from India ? You think you people will be able to survive on tourism alone ? You yourself accept that the Education System in Kashmir is below average . and Infrastructure is almost non existent. You again have to depend on foreign funds . Or mayb Pakistan will be quick to grab this opportunity and lure Independent Kashmir towards it . . I have seen many of my muslim contacts on facebook openly supporting a Terrorist outfit like ISIS . posting articles. Do you think this is right ?? Patriotism is never proven . It must show in your conduct and behaviour

Today, I went to the beach with my children. I found a sea shell and gave it to my 4 year old daughter and said “You can hear the ocean if you put this to your ear.” She put the shell to her ear and screamed. There was a hermit crab inside and it pinched her ear. She never wants to go back! LoL I know this is entirely off topic but I had to tell someone!

Zafar, I completely get you when you talk about the change in weather and pollution and what not which is pretty common in every metro city all around the world. The thing I don’t get is you saying you are treated as a foreigner, Kashmiris choose this upon themselves. Yes there are ignorant people everywhere and I’m sure in Kashmir itself there are ignorant people. There is a vast number of people in India who still to this date don’t know what’s happening in Kashmir or what happened. Government and civilians are different that’s where you all get it wrong don’t hate us. We love you all, we love your city, we love how you guys look, we love your hospitality. We just aren’t aware, maybe take the time out to explain. That being said leave the Pakistanis out of it because Indians won’t mind you saying that you think Kashmir should be a country on its own but saying you want to be a part of Pakistan rather than us is what gets to us. We love you we want you to be a part of us maybe if you were accepting we would be accepting too. I know the army is hard on you guys but try an awareness strategy to make not just the youth in Kashmir aware but the youth all over India aware so they support you. Army will always be respected by all of us maybe not you for obvious reasons but you need to explain people why you think you’re a foreigner in your own country.

thank you for sharing your story, S M Zaffar. I am very interested to know Kashmir and the people – Kashmiris.
For me, Kashmir is like “Beauty and the Beast”.

The comments on this thread also help me know more about the daily tribulations of being a Kashmiri.. to be aware of other readers’ opinion.. To balance and weigh the information I am getting here even though I have not witness them before my eyes.

Frst of all my fellow Kashmiri brother,we do not give kashmiri muslims the Right to Decide about our mother land.
this land first belongs to us and then to you’ll, before you make statements lik you have a problem with indian army, i must tell you had it not been for indian army you’ll would be treated as slaves like the baluchi’s.
can’t you see a broader picture if balochistan would have been happy with pakistan would they ask for freedom? would the tibetians ask for freedom frm china? and in Kashmir you muslims kashmiris are the only ones asking Freedom jab zameen apka hai bhi nahi? what FREEDOM do u want?

i am a kashmiri pandit and this is my land , i still have no choice. by land is being safe guarded by my troops.
you people forced us out of our land , made us homeless, raped our women. how many years we are out of our homeland? 25 yrs? are you even counting what we have lost?

i know this comment must be authorised, but if you are human being let the world know the trust.
you people Forced us kashmiri pandits out of our homeland.
kargil, leh,ladakh, and parts of kashmir do not want Freedom …compared to them ull are minority, its time to shut up and stop your cranky tears , fake tears to show the world.

“this land first belongs to us and then to you’ll” HAHAHA This belonged to Pandits….now dey converted to Islam. Dis land neva belonged to any religion but to it’s people…u wer not forced, u did dat voluntarily for checks from GOI. Now plzzz forget dat u can come back..U can’t have cake and eat it to….jis Kashmir ko khoon se seencha who Kashmir hamara hai

an indian from punjab dont look like indian from chennai and an indian from maharashtra dont look like indian from assam and all have diff cultures and language so what is you mean to say that whole india should divide in small parts

being a kashmiri… I also have seen people of India discrimination on the basis of religion… they don’t have problem with us being as a resident of Kashmir but they have the problem as we belong to Muslim religion…..they have the mis concept that all Muslim r terrorist…

First of all, Article 370 prohibits the change of boundaries of J&K, so even if you were to be given “azadi”, India will have to forcefully give away Jammu and Ladakh as well. The people of Jammu and Ladakh want to stay with India.
Second, let us for argument sake assume that we made a mistake, but why have the Kasmiri took to violence and militancy? Naturally, any country’s army would take counter- steps to resolve or clear militancy. You guys speak of Kashmiriyat, where was Kashmiriyat when you drove away Kashmiri Pandits?
Third, any Indian out of his state will feel that he is in foreign land and this not a bad thing, it only shows that how diverse we are, use this diversity to your advantage. Kasmiri Muslims, violence never solves anything. Glad that the author chose India over Pakistan, chose education over militancy. You guys are Indian as much as we are.

The world does not belong only to humans,it’s for all birds,animals etc we almost occupied whole world,we are still fighting for lands,one day whole world will be destroyed by some natural calamities,then where will these useless humans go,if there is God I beg please make all humans deaf and dumb (always fighting for everything) give freedom to animals and birds,all Muslim,Hindu,Christian and other religious people we are just monkeys our ancestors are monkeys.

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