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Howdy,I have older BD Vipers which I've converted to leashless however I would like to be able to clip into the spike hole but that's where I have my fang attached. Is there a fang available that attaches to the bottom of the handle instead of the spike hole? Any suggestions? Thanks, Graham

Are thinking of clipping in for a teather: meaning no body weight just so if you drop the tool it is attacted to you? If so you could rig a thin piece of metal with two holes in it: Think number eight. Slide one end so it's under your conversion and gets screwed down by one of the fixing bolts and the other end could be free for clipping. Juat don't get into drilling the handle. You run the risk of just destroying any integrity the handle has.

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Ed Matt" I release my attention: because of you now I am in danger!!! " -Champ

Are thinking of clipping in for a teather: meaning no body weight just so if you drop the tool it is attacted to you? If so you could rig a thin piece of metal with two holes in it: Think number eight. Slide one end so it's under your conversion and gets screwed down by one of the fixing bolts and the other end could be free for clipping. Juat don't get into drilling the handle. You run the risk of just destroying any integrity the handle has.

Thanks very much for your reply Ed! Good questions about my clipping-in intentions. Full body weight is my intention as I would like to clip in to my tool during those times just before my arms get pumped out.

(and by the way, what on Earth are you doing thinking ice in August, man!? -- just kidding, I've been surfing mixed climbing porn since June)

... if you're looking for emergency hang point(s) vs. tether, this is what I did in the days BN ("before Nomics", thanks to that gear whore Grammy - hey, Grammy! Hope things are well with you!)

It's 5 or 6 mil accessory cord threaded through the 'normal' hang/wt bearing point from the leash clip. Keeps weight over intended part of shaft, limiting shifting of the point, blah blah blah. Pretty sure the cord's rating is as stout as the hardware holding the clip to the tool. Still can use leashes if desired.

Anyway, just my take. YMMV. I assume no liability to you or the executors of your estate (grin).Dale

(and by the way, what on Earth are you doing thinking ice in August, man!? -- just kidding, I've been surfing mixed climbing porn since June)

... if you're looking for emergency hang point(s) vs. tether, this is what I did in the days BN ("before Nomics", thanks to that gear whore Grammy - hey, Grammy! Hope things are well with you!)

It's 5 or 6 mil accessory cord threaded through the 'normal' hang/wt bearing point from the leash clip. Keeps weight over intended part of shaft, limiting shifting of the point, blah blah blah. Pretty sure the cord's rating is as stout as the hardware holding the clip to the tool. Still can use leashes if desired.

Anyway, just my take. YMMV. I assume no liability to you or the executors of your estate (grin).Dale

This is definitely something worth considering Dale. I really appreciate the feedback!

Are thinking of clipping in for a teather: meaning no body weight just so if you drop the tool it is attacted to you? If so you could rig a thin piece of metal with two holes in it: Think number eight. Slide one end so it's under your conversion and gets screwed down by one of the fixing bolts and the other end could be free for clipping. Juat don't get into drilling the handle. You run the risk of just destroying any integrity the handle has.

Thanks very much for your reply Ed! Good questions about my clipping-in intentions. Full body weight is my intention as I would like to clip in to my tool during those times just before my arms get pumped out.

Dale may have the answer. However...do you really want to be hanging from an ice tool? In your situation of "getting pumped" get a screw in; hang off that if you have to. Or maybe don't get into that situation in the first place. Hanging from an ice tool with out your hands just does not seem like a good idea.

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Ed Matt" I release my attention: because of you now I am in danger!!! " -Champ

Put a screw in BEFORE you get so pumped you need to hang. If you do not know that you have enough gas to make it to the next stance fire in a screw and take a hang. if you make a habbit of ice climbing blindly into a pump you will eventually get seriously FCKN Killed. it ain't sport climbing

If you slam in a tool you can also hook the rope over the top of the tool while you run in a screw. You really do need to know what your limit is BEFORE you reach it. I don't want to fall climbing any time, but I REALLY don't want to fall on ice!

Falling on ice really blows. Falling on ice with tethers tossing your tools in every direction sucks ass. My suggestion, only use tethers for routes that a dropped tool equals a possible death. That being said I use tethers all the time but never with the intention of resting on them.

When I was first committing to leash less, heading up intimidating lines I kept my viper leashes strapped to my hand and not the tool. If I totally freaked I reckoned I could clip in and get the leash aid. Eventually, I learned that it wasn't all that much harder or longer to just rifle in a screw ( not to mention, how many times have your arms suddenly felt amazing after clipping a screw allowing you to continue without taking a rest?).