<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:bookman old style, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Around a year/year and half ago, there was an interesting presentation at Noisebridge about "Global village project". The guy was in charge of a project which was trying to create sustainable "hi-tech" community, producing self replicating metal cutting torch table etc. I would recommend to have a look at his/their project but I forgot it's name. Any clues?</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>Sincerely,</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>Frantisek</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div><span>PS I did not fallow up because he did not mention any biotech during whole talk, at least not to my knowledge. I think Mike was also present ("the technology Mike"), so he could give you lead but he is not on the mailing list I think.<br></span></div><div style="font-family: bookman old style,
new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: times new roman, new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Alex &lt;alex.glowaski@gmail.com&gt;<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Frantisek Apfelbeck &lt;algoldor@yahoo.com&gt; <br><b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Cc:</span></b> Noisebridge &lt;noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net&gt;; Asa Dodsworth &lt;moped45@gmail.com&gt;; colin dodsworth &lt;colin_dodsworth@hotmail.com&gt;; Aaron Winett &lt;aaron@spaz.org&gt; <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, November 19, 2011 5:10 PM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] NoiseLand<br> </font> <br>
<div id="yiv569576338"><div><div>I'd add goal #12 - in order to make it more self-supporting, choose a craft (or several) that can be easily taught, manufactured on-site, and exported.</div><div><br></div><div>From reading the wiki, it looks we're expecting a monetary return (to "garnish" in order to pay back initial donors). For centuries, monks have been paying for imported goods this way, and modern intentional communities have picked up on it... One is mentioned already in the wiki, and I know of another (Twin Oaks) that supported itself in part by selling handmade hammocks to Pier One. The Shakers and the Amish also do this.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>What can we sell? Repairs? Boats? Specially-designed LED lighting? Something reasonably interesting and easy, which is desirable and in line with progressive values.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I suggest producing sustainable solar, wind, and human-powered energy sources. It sounds like solar
energy is of interest, and it's widely seen as exceesively expensive, so we could start by producing fairly low-cost "plug and play" units. We could also make bike generators - a longtime interest of mine, though I have no idea where to get started. Very useful for people to learn, great to own, and we could easily get donated bikes (regular and stationary-exercise types), as well as possibly motors of various types. Newbies can easily help out with one, then more steps of the process, as they learn about electricity and welding. All these products are also great to have around in a secluded spot, and completely quiet - except for the grunting of bicyclists...</div><div><br></div><div>Of course, the difficulty is exporting them - but that mainly applies to the bike generators. Perhaps we could produce kits.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>--&nbsp;<br><div>Make your world!</div><div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
href="http://www.alexglow.com">www.alexglow.com</a></div></div><div><br>On Nov 19, 2011, at 5:43 AM, Frantisek Apfelbeck &lt;<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:algoldor@yahoo.com">algoldor@yahoo.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="color:#000;background-color:#fff;font-family:bookman old style, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"><div><span>I would stress the point three (</span>3. Gardening, Farming, Agriculture, Aquaculture, Mushroom growing). Some stable climate ecosystem would be a good idea. I think that Rikke was mentioning in the past that the Redwoods natural forest ecosystems which can be found in Northern California are suppose to be extremely stable, which means probably thousands or tenths of thousands years of "no worries". In todays times of climate change it would have an extra
value.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Sincerely,</div><div><br></div><div>Frantisek<br></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family:bookman old style, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"> <div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> rachel lyra hospodar &lt;<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:rachelyra@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:rachelyra@gmail.com">rachelyra@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">To:</span></b> Jake &lt;<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jake@spaz.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:jake@spaz.org">jake@spaz.org</a>&gt; <br><b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Cc:</span></b> Asa Dodsworth &lt;<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:moped45@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:moped45@gmail.com">moped45@gmail.com</a>&gt;; colin dodsworth &lt;<a rel="nofollow"
ymailto="mailto:colin_dodsworth@hotmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:colin_dodsworth@hotmail.com">colin_dodsworth@hotmail.com</a>&gt;; Aaron Winett &lt;<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:aaron@spaz.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:aaron@spaz.org">aaron@spaz.org</a>&gt;; "<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>" &lt;<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>&gt; <br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, November 19, 2011 2:48 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] NoiseLand<br> </font> <br>
<div id="yiv569576338"><div>11. Arts and technology retreat or residency, offering people who are doing work we like a place to focus on that work and food to eat while they do it (and a fat internet pipe in the woods).</div>
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<div class="yiv569576338gmail_quote">On Nov 18, 2011 6:22 PM, "Jake" &lt;<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:jake@spaz.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:jake@spaz.org">jake@spaz.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class="yiv569576338gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
On Fri, 18 Nov 2011, rachel lyra hospodar wrote:<br>
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By early I would guess he is saying we should talk more about goals needs<br>
etc. before going shopping.<br>
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yes, let's talk about such things. &nbsp;What would you like NoiseLand to be like? &nbsp;What are your goals?<br>
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I think that many of us City-dwellers would be unable to dedicate ourselves full-time to such a project, but by banding together with a like-minded community as we have done, we can create a resource for all of us.<br>
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Depending on what size and kind of land we get, we could have from a medium-sized garden to a large-scale agricultural operation. &nbsp;I would like to see something in the middle, where the land would be able to produce at least enough food for the people living there.<br>

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<a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/NoiseLand">https://www.noisebridge.net/<u></u>wiki/NoiseLand</a><br>
is a wiki, so people can add their own ideas to the page itself, but really we should continue to talk about it in this thread or on a separate Noiseland-discuss list, if one gets created. &nbsp;But for now it should stay here.<br>

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You mention that you can get cheap land if you're willing to die alone, cold and hungry on top of a mountain, but before Noisebridge found a rental space I did not believe that we could afford anything close to the mission, or any BART station. &nbsp;I have been proven wrong, but now I know that we could buy an A+ parcel of land without comprimise by pooling our resources.<br>

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I have added your list of attributes to consider to the wiki, and now i'm adding a Proposed uses and purposes of NoiseLand. &nbsp;I invite others to do the same but they should also post such ideas to this thread, since otherwise people may not notice who have "already read" the wiki.<br>