VSFighter (20th-22nd July2018) Zasalamel testing

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IVE WAITED FOR THIS!!!

This is going to be my notes for what im testing with Zas at VSFighter in UK next weekend, please comment below any other Zasalamel specific stuff you want me to test.
We also have a discord that we have been discussing this aswell im gonna combine all requests from here and the discord and keep updating both of them.
Here is the link to discord: https://discordapp.com/invite/pstHvt

I will probably use a character like Taki to get a rough idea of how fast and safe Zasalamels moves are.
Nastu from SC5 A (i10), K (i13), 3K (i14), B (i15) and 6B (I16) looks like the same animation for Taki in SC6 so i know that doesnt guarantee the same speed again its gonna be roughly similar at least.

[09] Warrior

Can you check if
-6A+G breaks with any button, if its 4+button or 6+button. Do both follow ups RO(back and side)?
-Does WrB RO behind and does WrB6/4 exist?
-AAA/BBB Are the 3rd B and A ever garanteed, maybe NCC?
-Does WrK and 4K have follow up strings/buttons?

[10] Knight

-Test if 2/3 curse into activate time stop enough advantage to do a fully charged pimp hand to re-curse?

-Test if theres a way to sacrifice damage ending a juggle with a pimp hand in order to get a curse on wakeup?

-I'm interested in knowing can you still jail someone with a BT [B+K] on a while rising opponent after a 4B+K

-Can he stay BT after B+K?

-Whats the properties of 6AB now that the second hit is mid on air opponents? Does it set up for anything that puts the opponent grounded at your feet? Maybe try this with several moves, since range 1 looks strong for him having a hard knockdown at your feet seems oppressive.

-Is the 66B_BB_K viable

-Test if airthrow still registers on opponents whos feet have left the ground. Maybe test it on the airborne attacks of Ivy, Maxi, Sophitia, Taki..etc. Also test if it catches special states like wall splat

IVE WAITED FOR THIS!!!

Hello everyone I have returned from VSF and successfully tested as much as I could. I have gotten round to posting it up, if you ever wanna know the juicy details a little earlier in future join the Zas discord :D

--- The bees knees move ---

So firstly discovered what his SC4 WRB was and its hella good, seems to be a main move of his : 46B and it has a fastest input JF 46:B.

No attack throw, even in soul charge but honestly the properties of the move defo make up for it.

i16, good range, knockdown on NH with forward RO possible.

-16 on block but who cares I think this is a big deal for Zas as it offers block punishment, an effective whiff punisher, and front RO capabilities.

The JF allows it to hit grounded opponents and is a way to end combos.

To top it off it also time stops! 46BB is the input so with using just on curse you could make it safe or pop it on hit which allows for a 66B follow up(better oki) or with 2 curses gets you 66A+B guaranteed into a BT mix up.

whenever a combo has a 46:B ender and there is a curse on the opponent you can do 46:BB to put yourself in a good position.

--- combos ---

So pretty much any launch, so 3B/22B/66B+K/66B CH all combo into b:K - 46B - 46:B/66B.
A+B combos into either 66B launch/6BK stun.
6B+KA - 6K combos and I been using it as a nice whiff punish that leaves a curse on them.
With launchers pretty much have to sacrifice the rest of the combo if I want to land a curse.

--- Move properties ---
AAA - No NCC, can literally still duck third hit if was a CH.
4A - good step catching consistency this time not like SC4.
66A - 2 Mid hits, cant GI second one as jails.
aB - is high.
6AB - NCC and does give 2A/6K on hit. 2nd hit on air hit brings them to his feet.
44A is a mid.
BBB - 3rd hit force block when BB is CH.
4B CH - 3AB doesnt tech all, didnt spent time on if it did others.
WRB - decent RO behind, no additional commands I could find.
4K - RO on CH, no additional strings I could find.
44A+B can LH when catches back step and combos into 8A+B
6B+K - Yes forces standing on hit.
4B+K - Yes BT B+K hold follow up jails. BT BB doesnt combo.
WRB+K - does jump back fast, avoids 2A response after 2K. Didnt spend too much time on this.
Throws - 6A+GB does RO behind, didnt test others but still assume can W!

[10] Knight

[08] Mercenary

As a Zas player I think 3AB should be changed to NCC and unsafe (maybe -12 or -13) to be fair, people will abuse 3AB if it's NC because it's ring out and catch horizon side step.

Any moves have the hold button should be fairly unsafe that why they make hold button to have a safe version or plus frame of the move in exchange for slower speed. People have to mix them up.

For + frame move we have the Soul Crush moves and the orbs. And also some moves need Just Hit when Counter Hit should be include to make the different between newbie Zas and High Level Zas.

We want a fair Zasalamel which need skill to become the best character not an easy to play character with OP moves

PS: For all characters in SC6: Now 8-way runs is smoother than SC5 people will use more and more vertical attack than before so I think any vertical attack should follow the rule:
- Mid + Fast (smaller than i15) should be unsafe or disadvantage on hit or very short range unless you are in some kind of stand
- Fast (smaller than i15) and safe shoud be High Vertical
- Mid + Safe should be slower speed (i18 maybe)

[09] Warrior

Its sucks that he doesnt get AT but im glad that zas has a good fwd RO option in 46:B. Hopefully it TC, then it will be a damn good pressure tool at the edge. I didnt expect him to lose the tech trap after ch 4b with 3BA. Wonder if we can use something else and get a similar trap, maybe 66B+K(the upper cut with the scythe)?

IVE WAITED FOR THIS!!!

Its sucks that he doesnt get AT but im glad that zas has a good fwd RO option in 46:B. Hopefully it TC, then it will be a damn good pressure tool at the edge. I didnt expect him to lose the tech trap after ch 4b with 3BA. Wonder if we can use something else and get a similar trap, maybe 66B+K(the upper cut with the scythe)?