WP community descends into cannibalism and woe

How are those causing an argument. If you don't like a platform then don't use it, I would have thought that's common sense. Not only that but as I stated in my reply to you, you can't have a unique looking OS that appeals to everyone but if you have an idea as to how that could work then I'm sure Microsoft would love to hear it.

That's not being abrasive, it's just offering advice. If my advice isn't needed then I'll leave you guys to arguing amongst yourselves and have no input in this thread whatsoever!!!

I understood what you were trying to say, but context is king. There's an old expression that goes, "It's not what you say, it's how you say it."

Honestly to me the most important thing is the actual Start screen tile UI. And in windows 10 it has been enhanced to be even better. All the other small UI changes within apps, etc.. aren't as important to me. If they ever got rid of the tile UI that is the only reason I love Windows phone so much. I love how I can customize my screen to be personalized for my own needs as well as show case some of my inner artistic side. Every time I look at my start I feel proud that I made that and no one else has that. I know where all my apps are because I put them there based on my usage patterns. It's quick and easy to use.

Forgive me I cant put it anymore softly....
All I see is whining and crying !

If you were all android users (non-nexus) you would shut your mouth and be satisfied with whatever you have.
Since MSFT is allowing you to participate in their insider program (which their team could have done easily).
And uservoice.
Guaranteed updates (firmware and OS).

When you are given freedom you literally get on top of their heads and start dancing !
That is what is happening right now !
It's been a year since I joined this community.
I witnessed similar whining and crying when denim was about to be released.

the anticipation, the rumors etc etc.....

If MSFT had no insider program and we users were not allowed to have a say in the development of the OS then all of these people would have shut up and just went on with their business !

W10M is not yet finished, its just a technical preview.
How hard is it to make an average user understand that !

If that's how you feel then you're free to leave, there are plenty of other platforms and Microsoft isn't hold a gun to your head and making you stay. The point is that W10M isn't even at the RTM stage yet and all we've seen of the 950/950XL are the leaked renders. So feel free to judge based on what we've seen so far, that up to you, it's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Not everyone feels that same way though, but attacking others for having a differing opinion is tearing this community apart from the inside and it really is a sad thing to see.

And this is why the community is trash, responses like yours. I point out problems, and you're just like "you're free to leave." You're unwilling to read the whole post (as I said, I hate iOS and tried and disliked Android). I offer a dissenting opinion, and you give the, "then get out," response. The community is made of people who are responsible and make valid complaints, and then people like you, who can't bother to actually address the matters in a ration way, instead attacking and being disrespectful in discussions.

The tone and wording of your posts are the epitome of the topic of this thread. You are the problem.

To be fair, there are some progress that improved WP alot! Since the update 2 roll out for my Lumia 830, the loading screen and heat issues are nearly gone, and that the reason why I still stick with WP.

But the app gap and marketshare keep dropping are really putting pressure on alot of people! (it dropped from 10% to 8% in my country right now). And some games that are in heat right now are Fallout Shelter and Dungeon&Dragon (and a lot of angrybird spin off games) not even care about WP. And Pokmon Go in the future will smash WP in the face if Microsoft can't deal with Nintendo about it! All the kids will boycott WP because it don't even has Pokmon Go bla bla bla...

tl;dr - If MS can't resolve it quick enough and don't even fully commitment about the app gap, it will go worse!

And that's my side of story and why I rant sometime.

Originally Posted by poopyfinger

Honestly to me the most important thing is the actual Start screen tile UI. And in windows 10 it has been enhanced to be even better.

I'm not so sure about this... Have you try the start screen on windows 10? It's kinda buggy and messed up on my aunt Lenovo Miix 3.

I am not used to such ugliness.. Sorry.. W10M is just ugly right from the grey backgrounds, fonts, hamburger menus, accent colors,app icons, context menus, everything is just pure ugly.. 8 and 8.1 was such a classy premium design... After using 8 and 8.1 for more than two years I just can't bare this new OS.. I am unhappy and frustrated.. MS didn't need to change to UI design, they needed to bring apps and market their phones.. Changing UI not gonna help them and nor those bridges.. Right now W10M is uglier than Android and no amount of polishing gonna make it look good... They have ruined everything at least for me.. I have paid for those phones, I have been around in this forum for two years, I think I have a little right to vent a little specially when they have butchered a unique beautiful and my beloved OS..

I'm not so sure about this... Have you try the start screen on windows 10? It's kinda buggy and messed up on my aunt Lenovo Miix 3.

Oh I'm more talking about on my lumia 830 mobile device. On the actual desktop OS I do get lots of issues. I would prefer it to be more like the mobile one where you can add a background and transparency, but not sure they will ever do something like that. I'm still curious what will happen with the next big service pack update for the desktop. It's supposed to happen in October sometime. Although insiders haven't really been getting any interesting updates in that area. I think the insider program is too taxing on their work force at this point in time so they are sticking to less updates and more mobile.

Forgive me I cant put it anymore softly....
All I see is whining and crying !

If you were all android users (non-nexus) you would shut your mouth and be satisfied with whatever you have.
Since MSFT is allowing you to participate in their insider program (which their team could have done easily).
And uservoice.
Guaranteed updates (firmware and OS).

When you are given freedom you literally get on top of their heads and start dancing !
That is what is happening right now !
It's been a year since I joined this community.
I witnessed similar whining and crying when denim was about to be released.

the anticipation, the rumors etc etc.....

If MSFT had no insider program and we users were not allowed to have a say in the development of the OS then all of these people would have shut up and just went on with their business !

W10M is not yet finished, its just a technical preview.
How hard is it to make an average user understand that !

I don't see user input in anything WM10 does, how many people hated on the hamburger menu yet it's been shoved down our throats regardless

I don't get the hostility you're showing as you don't benefit from shutting up voices but any negative comment is beneficial or at least justifiable as it relates to customer satisfaction.

about the guaranteed update thing I'm sure Windows RT and WP7 users are still grateful, WM10 is unfinished yes but if you're launching flagships in 2 months and you still aren't close to a stable OS how do expect adding new features which there are none yet!!! Look at it from users prospective every change is minor, are they going to brag they finally have a setting app that doesnt look like crap?
Are they going to say now you can set more than few shortcuts ?? Now you have a wallpaper in the app list? Continuum is hardware based and IRIS scanners are also hardware based and they'll probably launch the new phones without the IRIS scanner support (according to roumers)

You don't get to compare to Android update system as at least if a company dropped support there are many devs that can still support your phone with new software unlike your WP7 which just eats dust...

If that's how you feel then you're free to leave, there are plenty of other platforms and Microsoft isn't hold a gun to your head and making you stay. The point is that W10M isn't even at the RTM stage yet and all we've seen of the 950/950XL are the leaked renders. So feel free to judge based on what we've seen so far, that up to you, it's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Not everyone feels that same way though, but attacking others for having a differing opinion is tearing this community apart from the inside and it really is a sad thing to see.

It didn't look like it was a personal attack towards anyone (other than MS LOL), and he was just pointing out the facts as he see's them, as you stated, "but attacking others for having a differing opinion", "not everyone feels that same way", "you're free to leave"... Nuff said.

About W10M starting to look like Android. Just look at the store, better yet, try to navigate around and find something. Flipping back and forth between a 640 on Denim and a 635 on W10TP, my daily choice would be Denim.

Now the brain kicks in. W10M? Not finished yet. On a 635? (512) Probably not the first choice for a test phone

8.1 feels better because it's comfortable, we're used to it. Things will change with Windows 10 Mobile. Some we'll like, some not so much. But it's not finished at this point. It will never be finished, I hope. Let it grow. Microsoft asked for our opinions and suggestions building this. I'm sure they'll keep those line of communication open.

Yes the secret is out and its hard not for outside bloggers to not notice just how much heat is generated as a result of this experimental Technical Preview. Every new phone dropped running android and IOS is and will be compared, rightly or wrongly to the latest preview, and its driving the natives mad. Some have left entirely.

If I had to make the call at MS, unless you are an MSDN member or paid a 99 dollar fee, you won't get access to TP.

Well, therein lies the problem. "Wait and see" has basically been the Windows Phone mantra, a la "there's always next year" for Cubs fans (like me). There has to be a point where waiting turns into seeing. We waited on WP7. It barely got any attention, had its heart ripped out, and we waited on WP8 as people on WP7 got stuck without an upgrade path. We got told to wait and see for apps, and then for 8.1. Then we watched Microsoft do things like gut the Music+Video apps from the OS level and tell us to wait and see as the updated it, only to abandon the new app for W10M development. Now, we've been told to wait for W10M. Even within that, we're being told BEFORE IT LAUNCHES to wait and see for Project Astoria and Project Islandwood, as we're being told that those key features won't be ready at launch, and maybe not anywhere close to it.

I think the new phones are ugly (particularly the 950). I hate the new design of pop-out menus everywhere. I hate the new mail and calendar apps, and Groove Music is the worst music player I've used in my life, without exaggeration (and music is the #1 thing I do on my phone, with maybe only texting to rival it).

All of that said, I'm fine with waiting another 1-2 months. However, after being told to wait on McLaren, then the 930, and then spending 3 years on my 920 because of broken promises with devices (which kept me from getting a 1520 at the time), expecting patience and happiness from a user base Microsoft abuses like it's a bunch of Apple sheep isn't really fair. Patience only goes so far when the promises constantly lead to either continued failure, backpedaling in quality, or simply nothing. It used to be that I would recommend WP8 to ANYONE as it launched, because we were told the apps would come. Now, 3 years later, I don't even make phone suggestions of any kind to people, because I've just lost faith in Microsoft as a software provider. That doesn't change that I hate iOS (specifically Apple) and Android (after a 2-year run with it) too much to use them, so I'll stick with W10M, but it is perfectly understandable, and even reasonable, that this community would take a turn for the worse when they get jerked around by Microsoft on a quarterly basis.

Fully-agree; except I'm a Mets fan : )

If it weren't for both of our teams finally coming around and (knocking on wood) heading into the playoffs, things would even be worse.

If that's how you feel then you're free to leave, there are plenty of other platforms and Microsoft isn't hold a gun to your head and making you stay. The point is that W10M isn't even at the RTM stage yet and all we've seen of the 950/950XL are the leaked renders. So feel free to judge based on what we've seen so far, that up to you, it's your opinion and you're entitled to it. Not everyone feels that same way though, but attacking others for having a differing opinion is tearing this community apart from the inside and it really is a sad thing to see.

Please, go back and read his post and rethink your response.

KW has been hanging on for years, as have I, waiting for MS to finally live up to what some of us feel is the real potential, but they continue to disappoint.

These are the WP users you really want to tell "you're free to leave".

If it weren't for both of our teams finally coming around and (knocking on wood) heading into the playoffs, things would even be worse.

Thanks to both of you for injecting some badly needed lighthearted humor into this thread. But I must warn the two of you that the season is far from over. As a Mets fan you must remember the meltdown in 2007 (or 2008?) when my Marlins shellacked Tommy Glavine on the last day of the season. To my Cubs fan, I think I've said enough by being a Marlins fan.

Thanks to both of you for injecting some badly needed lighthearted humor into this thread. But I must warn the two of you that the season is far from over. As a Mets fan you must remember the meltdown in 2007 (or 2008?) when my Marlins shellacked Tommy Glavine on the last day of the season. To my Cubs fan, I think I've said enough by being a Marlins fan.

I know, I know. We suck too.

I would be surprised if the Mets don't make it, considering that big lead in the NL East. We are near half of the month now, it would take like almost a perfect half to this month to stand a chance. My Nats dropped the ball, so to me the season is already over. Yay for baseball!

Okay, not going to derail any further but seeing baseball in the forums is cool.

Well I did say "look like" and as with most things here it is my personal opinion and perception, I do believe the negativity/assumptions/delays etc. aren't having a positive impact unless I am missing something... Last seen market shares were around 2.5%, that is similar to 2014 and low compared to 2013, then it was 3.4%.