Police say they acted on advice of medical experts in search for youngster

POLICE have today defended their actions in launching a major search for missing five-year-old Ashya King - saying they did what was necessary because they believed he might die without medical help.

At a press conference this morning Hampshire Constabulary's Assistant Chief Constable Chris Shead said the forced made "no apology" for the search, triggered by hospital bosses who said the youngster could lose his life without specialised care.

And NHS England has this afternoon issued a statement, saying: "We all want what is best for Ashya, and it is for the cancer doctors and oncologists involved to advise on what is the best treatment for each child.

"Where doctors recommend it, the NHS does fund proton beam therapy, including supporting 99 children last year to travel abroad for treatment."

Mr Shead's comments earlier in the day came as a short statement was this afternoon made by hospital bosses regarding Ashya, telling of their delight he had been found.

As reported, Ashya had undergone surgery for a brain tumour at Southampton General Hospital, and was taken by his parents Brett and Naghmeh on Wednesday afternoon.

They were found yesterday evening in Spain.

Assistant Chief Constable Shead said officers were acting on medical advice and that the search was launched on Thursday as the five-year-old's life was potentially at risk.

He said: "I am aware that there has been a significant amount of debate going on around the appropriateness of police action in this case.

"I think it's safe to say that faced with the situation we were, we had medical experts telling us that Ashya was in grave danger.

"Medical experts were saying to us if he didn't get the care that he needed there was a potential threat to his life.

"Faced with those circumstances, I make no apology for the police being as proactive as we possibly can to actually find Ashya and ensure that he gets the help he needed.

"I would much sooner be standing here facing criticism for being proactive than to stand here and face criticism for doing nothing and potentially having to explain why a child has lost his life.

"I make no apologies for being as proactive in this investigation as we have been.

"I think it's also worthy of note that we need to thank the public, the media and indeed everybody who has been involved in the investigation in Spain."

He added that the family had been found "as a direct result of the media and publicity campaign", after a worker at the hotel in Spain where the family were staying recognised the Kings and contacted the police.

He also thanked the Spanish police, the Civil Guard and the Spanish national crime agency for their "hard work that they have done in Spain and indeed before that in France, over the last few days which has resulted in finding Ashya and making sure he has got the care he definitely needed."

Responding to a question about Ashya's father Brett's statement that it had been a "ridiculous chase", that the family felt like "refugees" and that they had done "nothing wrong" and been "persecuted", Ass Chief Const Shead said: "All along I've said this has been a terribly difficult time for Ashya's family and I don't deviate from that.

"Heaven knows what they've been going through, it must be a terrible situation for anybody who's got a small child with that type of illness and I fully get that.

"But the reality of it is from the police and myself when we are told by medical experts that they have got grave concern for the health and wellbeing of a child because they feel that he has been taken from a safe environment in the hospital, is not getting the care that they actually need to give to ensure Ashya's health then we have to act.

"And I get it, there will be a whole range of opinions on what is the right thing and what is the wrong thing and I fully understand how Ashya's parents feel.

"But the reality of it is, we have to act in the interests of Ashya and when medical experts say to us we need to find him to ensure he gets the help he needs, or he may die, then the police are faced with no option and any police force would pursue the actions we have.

"Our primary concern was always to find Ashya and make sure he got the treatment he needs."

When asked if he thought medical staff's advice had been incorrect, he said: "I am not qualified to say whether that advice was good or bad, the reality of it is that I have to act on the basis of what I am told.

"The medical staff who are experts in their field, told us they had grave concerns for Ashya's health and that's why we have acted as we have.

"My hope is that Ashya gets the medical care he deserves and needs and that he is able to become as well as he possibly can.

"It is an investigation that the police now need to conduct on the circumstances of the parents taking Ashya. We will do that in consultation with the Crown Prosecution Service and the CPS will apply their usual tests and if there is a case to answer then it will go down that route, but I just hope that Ashya gets the medical help he needs and he's able to make as best a recovery as he can.

"Whenever we go outside our own jurisdiction and into a foreign land the complexity increases.

"I can't underestimate the complexity of it, but at the outset, throughout all of this our total focus has been on finding Ashya because that's been the single most important thing in this, I said all along the most important thing was to find Ashya, get him back to a hospital and make sure he gets the care he gets, thankfully we've now been able to do that, all the rest has been a minor consideration."

He added that extradition proceedings for Ashya's parents were due to start, with a hearing in front of a Spanish judge due to take place within the next few days, although that may be delayed if they decided to appeal.

He said Mr and Mrs King were being supported by the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, while it is understood that Ashya's six siblings had remained at the hotel in Spain where they had been found, with the oldest members of the family looking after the youngest.

This afternoon bosses at Southampton General Hospital released a breif statement.

A spokesman for University Hospital Southampton said: "Our priority has always been Ashya's welfare and we are delighted that he has been found. We are now working closely with colleagues in Malaga to ensure he receives the essential medical support he needs.

"We are aware of the comments made online by his father. Throughout Ashya's admission we have had conversations about the treatment options available to him and we had offered the family access to a second opinion, as well as assistance with organising treatment abroad.

"We understand how distressing this situation is for everyone involved, particularly Ashya's family. We will continue to do what we can to support them and assist the police in providing any information they require."

Comments

cantthinkofone
4:55pm Sun 31 Aug 14

espanuel wrote…

Here, There wrote…

Perhaps it is more appropriate for the Medical team to apologise not only for over stating the risk but for the reasons why these parents felt the need to remove their Son, threatened with similar I doubt few have acted differently.. Good Luck to the Kings and hope they find the necessary funding required to get the treatment they feel could help their son.

I suppose you know all the ins and out of this case then. WHY should the medical team apologise, do you know something they don't. Bloody know ALL.

Why?

Communication failings - not clinical failings.

[quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Here, There[/bold] wrote:
Perhaps it is more appropriate for the Medical team to apologise not only for over stating the risk but for the reasons why these parents felt the need to remove their Son, threatened with similar I doubt few have acted differently.. Good Luck to the Kings and hope they find the necessary funding required to get the treatment they feel could help their son.[/p][/quote]I suppose you know all the ins and out of this case then. WHY should the medical team apologise, do you know something they don't. Bloody know ALL.[/p][/quote]Why?
Communication failings - not clinical failings.cantthinkofone

espanuel wrote…

Here, There wrote…

Perhaps it is more appropriate for the Medical team to apologise not only for over stating the risk but for the reasons why these parents felt the need to remove their Son, threatened with similar I doubt few have acted differently.. Good Luck to the Kings and hope they find the necessary funding required to get the treatment they feel could help their son.

I suppose you know all the ins and out of this case then. WHY should the medical team apologise, do you know something they don't. Bloody know ALL.

Why?

Communication failings - not clinical failings.

Score: 13

Here, There
12:49pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Perhaps it is more appropriate for the Medical team to apologise not only for over stating the risk but for the reasons why these parents felt the need to remove their Son, threatened with similar I doubt few have acted differently.. Good Luck to the Kings and hope they find the necessary funding required to get the treatment they feel could help their son.

Perhaps it is more appropriate for the Medical team to apologise not only for over stating the risk but for the reasons why these parents felt the need to remove their Son, threatened with similar I doubt few have acted differently.. Good Luck to the Kings and hope they find the necessary funding required to get the treatment they feel could help their son.Here, There

Perhaps it is more appropriate for the Medical team to apologise not only for over stating the risk but for the reasons why these parents felt the need to remove their Son, threatened with similar I doubt few have acted differently.. Good Luck to the Kings and hope they find the necessary funding required to get the treatment they feel could help their son.

Score: 13

espanuel
12:56pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Here, There wrote…

Perhaps it is more appropriate for the Medical team to apologise not only for over stating the risk but for the reasons why these parents felt the need to remove their Son, threatened with similar I doubt few have acted differently.. Good Luck to the Kings and hope they find the necessary funding required to get the treatment they feel could help their son.

I suppose you know all the ins and out of this case then. WHY should the medical team apologise, do you know something they don't. Bloody know ALL.

[quote][p][bold]Here, There[/bold] wrote:
Perhaps it is more appropriate for the Medical team to apologise not only for over stating the risk but for the reasons why these parents felt the need to remove their Son, threatened with similar I doubt few have acted differently.. Good Luck to the Kings and hope they find the necessary funding required to get the treatment they feel could help their son.[/p][/quote]I suppose you know all the ins and out of this case then. WHY should the medical team apologise, do you know something they don't. Bloody know ALL.espanuel

Here, There wrote…

Perhaps it is more appropriate for the Medical team to apologise not only for over stating the risk but for the reasons why these parents felt the need to remove their Son, threatened with similar I doubt few have acted differently.. Good Luck to the Kings and hope they find the necessary funding required to get the treatment they feel could help their son.

I suppose you know all the ins and out of this case then. WHY should the medical team apologise, do you know something they don't. Bloody know ALL.

Score: -8

david33
6:37pm Sun 31 Aug 14

I think we can all see this is a major over reaction on the part of the police but hey did what they they did however on medical advice.

But something tells me that the NHS is not going to back the police up and the next few days will be a blame game. That aside these poor parents have been treated poorly and people should be asking themselves could we have handled this differently and with a honest mind the answer must be yes.

I think we can all see this is a major over reaction on the part of the police but hey did what they they did however on medical advice.
But something tells me that the NHS is not going to back the police up and the next few days will be a blame game. That aside these poor parents have been treated poorly and people should be asking themselves could we have handled this differently and with a honest mind the answer must be yes.david33

I think we can all see this is a major over reaction on the part of the police but hey did what they they did however on medical advice.

But something tells me that the NHS is not going to back the police up and the next few days will be a blame game. That aside these poor parents have been treated poorly and people should be asking themselves could we have handled this differently and with a honest mind the answer must be yes.

Score: -4

elvisimo
1:26pm Sun 31 Aug 14

espanuel wrote…

Here, There wrote…

Perhaps it is more appropriate for the Medical team to apologise not only for over stating the risk but for the reasons why these parents felt the need to remove their Son, threatened with similar I doubt few have acted differently.. Good Luck to the Kings and hope they find the necessary funding required to get the treatment they feel could help their son.

I suppose you know all the ins and out of this case then. WHY should the medical team apologise, do you know something they don't. Bloody know ALL.

You could start by reading some of the articles and watching the video before you make such informed comments....

[quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Here, There[/bold] wrote:
Perhaps it is more appropriate for the Medical team to apologise not only for over stating the risk but for the reasons why these parents felt the need to remove their Son, threatened with similar I doubt few have acted differently.. Good Luck to the Kings and hope they find the necessary funding required to get the treatment they feel could help their son.[/p][/quote]I suppose you know all the ins and out of this case then. WHY should the medical team apologise, do you know something they don't. Bloody know ALL.[/p][/quote]You could start by reading some of the articles and watching the video before you make such informed comments....elvisimo

espanuel wrote…

Here, There wrote…

Perhaps it is more appropriate for the Medical team to apologise not only for over stating the risk but for the reasons why these parents felt the need to remove their Son, threatened with similar I doubt few have acted differently.. Good Luck to the Kings and hope they find the necessary funding required to get the treatment they feel could help their son.

I suppose you know all the ins and out of this case then. WHY should the medical team apologise, do you know something they don't. Bloody know ALL.

You could start by reading some of the articles and watching the video before you make such informed comments....

Score: 25

Quentin Heslop
1:35pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Whether apologies are needed or not, it's between the three parties involved and no one else.

Whether apologies are needed or not, it's between the three parties involved and no one else.Quentin Heslop

Whether apologies are needed or not, it's between the three parties involved and no one else.

Score: 0

Frank28
1:45pm Sun 31 Aug 14

It's tragic and shameful that the flagship NHS cannot provide the required treatment that can be found abroad for the sick boy, and I hope questions are asked about this. Perhaps less money spent on Foreign Aid, and more spent here on healthcare for those who need it. Had Ashya died in the care of his parents, they could be facing Infanticide charges in a foreign country, which really would be a burden on the entire family. On their return to England, they'll need safe housing. The last thing they'll want is the international media circus camping on their doorstep.

It's tragic and shameful that the flagship NHS cannot provide the required treatment that can be found abroad for the sick boy, and I hope questions are asked about this. Perhaps less money spent on Foreign Aid, and more spent here on healthcare for those who need it. Had Ashya died in the care of his parents, they could be facing Infanticide charges in a foreign country, which really would be a burden on the entire family. On their return to England, they'll need safe housing. The last thing they'll want is the international media circus camping on their doorstep.Frank28

It's tragic and shameful that the flagship NHS cannot provide the required treatment that can be found abroad for the sick boy, and I hope questions are asked about this. Perhaps less money spent on Foreign Aid, and more spent here on healthcare for those who need it. Had Ashya died in the care of his parents, they could be facing Infanticide charges in a foreign country, which really would be a burden on the entire family. On their return to England, they'll need safe housing. The last thing they'll want is the international media circus camping on their doorstep.

Score: -3

mr.southampton
2:04pm Sun 31 Aug 14

I've held off commenting on this case, but I'm becoming increasingly annoyed at the uninformed piffle people are spouting about the hospital.

Quite rightly the hospital have not come out and commented on the reasons the Doctors have for the treatment they were offering. Unlike any other party they are bound by medical confidentiality.

Therefore all we will ever here is one side of the argument.

We all understand the stress the family must be under, and that they want what they feel is the best for their child.

But before rushing to judgement lets remember that the hospital and its staff are not in a position to defend themselves, or offer their reasoning.

So before we start all banging on about the NHS 'denying' treatment, or about foreign aid budgets we need to think that we don't know the full facts. We know one persons view - the view of a person under a lot of stress. We don't know at all whether anything has been denied on cost grounds, or whether it is simply because it is not appropriate for this particular case.

I've held off commenting on this case, but I'm becoming increasingly annoyed at the uninformed piffle people are spouting about the hospital.
Quite rightly the hospital have not come out and commented on the reasons the Doctors have for the treatment they were offering. Unlike any other party they are bound by medical confidentiality.
Therefore all we will ever here is one side of the argument.
We all understand the stress the family must be under, and that they want what they feel is the best for their child.
But before rushing to judgement lets remember that the hospital and its staff are not in a position to defend themselves, or offer their reasoning.
So before we start all banging on about the NHS 'denying' treatment, or about foreign aid budgets we need to think that we don't know the full facts. We know one persons view - the view of a person under a lot of stress. We don't know at all whether anything has been denied on cost grounds, or whether it is simply because it is not appropriate for this particular case.mr.southampton

I've held off commenting on this case, but I'm becoming increasingly annoyed at the uninformed piffle people are spouting about the hospital.

Quite rightly the hospital have not come out and commented on the reasons the Doctors have for the treatment they were offering. Unlike any other party they are bound by medical confidentiality.

Therefore all we will ever here is one side of the argument.

We all understand the stress the family must be under, and that they want what they feel is the best for their child.

But before rushing to judgement lets remember that the hospital and its staff are not in a position to defend themselves, or offer their reasoning.

So before we start all banging on about the NHS 'denying' treatment, or about foreign aid budgets we need to think that we don't know the full facts. We know one persons view - the view of a person under a lot of stress. We don't know at all whether anything has been denied on cost grounds, or whether it is simply because it is not appropriate for this particular case.

Score: 18

Harry Bong
2:39pm Sun 31 Aug 14

espanuel wrote…

Here, There wrote…

Perhaps it is more appropriate for the Medical team to apologise not only for over stating the risk but for the reasons why these parents felt the need to remove their Son, threatened with similar I doubt few have acted differently.. Good Luck to the Kings and hope they find the necessary funding required to get the treatment they feel could help their son.

I suppose you know all the ins and out of this case then. WHY should the medical team apologise, do you know something they don't. Bloody know ALL.

Sorry someone needs to apologise, either press, police or medical. When this story broke it was made to sound like a child had been abducted by persons unknown putting fear in to other parents who may have children in hospital. Then when revealed that the parents took the child they were made out to be like criminals.

[quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Here, There[/bold] wrote:
Perhaps it is more appropriate for the Medical team to apologise not only for over stating the risk but for the reasons why these parents felt the need to remove their Son, threatened with similar I doubt few have acted differently.. Good Luck to the Kings and hope they find the necessary funding required to get the treatment they feel could help their son.[/p][/quote]I suppose you know all the ins and out of this case then. WHY should the medical team apologise, do you know something they don't. Bloody know ALL.[/p][/quote]Sorry someone needs to apologise, either press, police or medical. When this story broke it was made to sound like a child had been abducted by persons unknown putting fear in to other parents who may have children in hospital. Then when revealed that the parents took the child they were made out to be like criminals.Harry Bong

espanuel wrote…

Here, There wrote…

Perhaps it is more appropriate for the Medical team to apologise not only for over stating the risk but for the reasons why these parents felt the need to remove their Son, threatened with similar I doubt few have acted differently.. Good Luck to the Kings and hope they find the necessary funding required to get the treatment they feel could help their son.

I suppose you know all the ins and out of this case then. WHY should the medical team apologise, do you know something they don't. Bloody know ALL.

Sorry someone needs to apologise, either press, police or medical. When this story broke it was made to sound like a child had been abducted by persons unknown putting fear in to other parents who may have children in hospital. Then when revealed that the parents took the child they were made out to be like criminals.

Score: 13

riverbanks
3:25pm Sun 31 Aug 14

After watching the video, I say fair play to them.

After watching the video, I say fair play to them.riverbanks

After watching the video, I say fair play to them.

Score: 15

Vikki-Lou1
3:05pm Sun 31 Aug 14

I'm not sure why everyone is defending ashya's Parents. At the end of the day they took their seriously ill son out of hospital without telling anyone and strongly against medical advice. Don't get me wrong I really feel for them and they must be going through the worst time of their lives but what sort of parents put their child's life in such great danger?! I'm a mum myself and I'd never dream of doing such a thing! If your unhappy with treatment u go about it the proper way to get your child the best treatment in the safest possible way! I think the police in all 3 countries involved have done a great job. I'm so glad ashya was found and I hope he can make a good recovery from his illness. Get well soon little man x

I'm not sure why everyone is defending ashya's Parents. At the end of the day they took their seriously ill son out of hospital without telling anyone and strongly against medical advice. Don't get me wrong I really feel for them and they must be going through the worst time of their lives but what sort of parents put their child's life in such great danger?! I'm a mum myself and I'd never dream of doing such a thing! If your unhappy with treatment u go about it the proper way to get your child the best treatment in the safest possible way! I think the police in all 3 countries involved have done a great job. I'm so glad ashya was found and I hope he can make a good recovery from his illness. Get well soon little man xVikki-Lou1

I'm not sure why everyone is defending ashya's Parents. At the end of the day they took their seriously ill son out of hospital without telling anyone and strongly against medical advice. Don't get me wrong I really feel for them and they must be going through the worst time of their lives but what sort of parents put their child's life in such great danger?! I'm a mum myself and I'd never dream of doing such a thing! If your unhappy with treatment u go about it the proper way to get your child the best treatment in the safest possible way! I think the police in all 3 countries involved have done a great job. I'm so glad ashya was found and I hope he can make a good recovery from his illness. Get well soon little man x

Score: 0

Lordcem
3:07pm Sun 31 Aug 14

One more instance of the police over acting and in fact outwith the law. They managed to obtain a phoney arrest warrant. I say phoney for such a legal device needs to be founded on sound law and not on sand as it seems in this case. The child was not the subject or under order of any court and the parents rights over their child must always be paramount. They have been subjected to a witch hunt spread over three countries with their names and identities splattered across the media. Is this what we expect of our police in 2014. They seem to operate above and beyond the law when it suits them. That I contend is not their role. The assistant chief constable's arrogance is both breath-taking and indeed frightening.

One more instance of the police over acting and in fact outwith the law. They managed to obtain a phoney arrest warrant. I say phoney for such a legal device needs to be founded on sound law and not on sand as it seems in this case. The child was not the subject or under order of any court and the parents rights over their child must always be paramount. They have been subjected to a witch hunt spread over three countries with their names and identities splattered across the media. Is this what we expect of our police in 2014. They seem to operate above and beyond the law when it suits them. That I contend is not their role. The assistant chief constable's arrogance is both breath-taking and indeed frightening.Lordcem

One more instance of the police over acting and in fact outwith the law. They managed to obtain a phoney arrest warrant. I say phoney for such a legal device needs to be founded on sound law and not on sand as it seems in this case. The child was not the subject or under order of any court and the parents rights over their child must always be paramount. They have been subjected to a witch hunt spread over three countries with their names and identities splattered across the media. Is this what we expect of our police in 2014. They seem to operate above and beyond the law when it suits them. That I contend is not their role. The assistant chief constable's arrogance is both breath-taking and indeed frightening.

Score: 3

Bagamn
3:26pm Sun 31 Aug 14

When all you lower deck lawyers have finished pontificating, given time, we might get to the bottom of the story. Until then, just sir and relax until we are told the truth by the people concerned

When all you lower deck lawyers have finished pontificating, given time, we might get to the bottom of the story. Until then, just sir and relax until we are told the truth by the people concernedBagamn

When all you lower deck lawyers have finished pontificating, given time, we might get to the bottom of the story. Until then, just sir and relax until we are told the truth by the people concerned

Score: 4

Here, There
4:11pm Sun 31 Aug 14

espanuel wrote…

Here, There wrote…

Perhaps it is more appropriate for the Medical team to apologise not only for over stating the risk but for the reasons why these parents felt the need to remove their Son, threatened with similar I doubt few have acted differently.. Good Luck to the Kings and hope they find the necessary funding required to get the treatment they feel could help their son.

I suppose you know all the ins and out of this case then. WHY should the medical team apologise, do you know something they don't. Bloody know ALL.

Bit of an over reaction espanuel... I commented after listening to the Father of the Child, his Child, that which is of paramount importance to him.. are you suggesting the Doctors have the same emotional attachment as he does ? have you listened to the Video ? if so do you believe he is irrational ? do you believe they acted spontaneously or gave great thought to a course of action they felt best for their son ? Not knowing all simply commenting on what I do know and personal experience, that ok with you ?

[quote][p][bold]espanuel[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Here, There[/bold] wrote:
Perhaps it is more appropriate for the Medical team to apologise not only for over stating the risk but for the reasons why these parents felt the need to remove their Son, threatened with similar I doubt few have acted differently.. Good Luck to the Kings and hope they find the necessary funding required to get the treatment they feel could help their son.[/p][/quote]I suppose you know all the ins and out of this case then. WHY should the medical team apologise, do you know something they don't. Bloody know ALL.[/p][/quote]Bit of an over reaction espanuel... I commented after listening to the Father of the Child, his Child, that which is of paramount importance to him.. are you suggesting the Doctors have the same emotional attachment as he does ? have you listened to the Video ? if so do you believe he is irrational ? do you believe they acted spontaneously or gave great thought to a course of action they felt best for their son ? Not knowing all simply commenting on what I do know and personal experience, that ok with you ?Here, There

espanuel wrote…

Here, There wrote…

Perhaps it is more appropriate for the Medical team to apologise not only for over stating the risk but for the reasons why these parents felt the need to remove their Son, threatened with similar I doubt few have acted differently.. Good Luck to the Kings and hope they find the necessary funding required to get the treatment they feel could help their son.

I suppose you know all the ins and out of this case then. WHY should the medical team apologise, do you know something they don't. Bloody know ALL.

Bit of an over reaction espanuel... I commented after listening to the Father of the Child, his Child, that which is of paramount importance to him.. are you suggesting the Doctors have the same emotional attachment as he does ? have you listened to the Video ? if so do you believe he is irrational ? do you believe they acted spontaneously or gave great thought to a course of action they felt best for their son ? Not knowing all simply commenting on what I do know and personal experience, that ok with you ?

Score: 16

Graeme Harrison
4:47pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Lordcem wrote…

One more instance of the police over acting and in fact outwith the law. They managed to obtain a phoney arrest warrant. I say phoney for such a legal device needs to be founded on sound law and not on sand as it seems in this case. The child was not the subject or under order of any court and the parents rights over their child must always be paramount. They have been subjected to a witch hunt spread over three countries with their names and identities splattered across the media. Is this what we expect of our police in 2014. They seem to operate above and beyond the law when it suits them. That I contend is not their role. The assistant chief constable's arrogance is both breath-taking and indeed frightening.

Total bullpoop: if there's a conflict between them, the rights of a child always take precedence over the rights of the child's parents.

[quote][p][bold]Lordcem[/bold] wrote:
One more instance of the police over acting and in fact outwith the law. They managed to obtain a phoney arrest warrant. I say phoney for such a legal device needs to be founded on sound law and not on sand as it seems in this case. The child was not the subject or under order of any court and the parents rights over their child must always be paramount. They have been subjected to a witch hunt spread over three countries with their names and identities splattered across the media. Is this what we expect of our police in 2014. They seem to operate above and beyond the law when it suits them. That I contend is not their role. The assistant chief constable's arrogance is both breath-taking and indeed frightening.[/p][/quote]Total bullpoop: if there's a conflict between them, the rights of a child always take precedence over the rights of the child's parents.Graeme Harrison

Lordcem wrote…

One more instance of the police over acting and in fact outwith the law. They managed to obtain a phoney arrest warrant. I say phoney for such a legal device needs to be founded on sound law and not on sand as it seems in this case. The child was not the subject or under order of any court and the parents rights over their child must always be paramount. They have been subjected to a witch hunt spread over three countries with their names and identities splattered across the media. Is this what we expect of our police in 2014. They seem to operate above and beyond the law when it suits them. That I contend is not their role. The assistant chief constable's arrogance is both breath-taking and indeed frightening.

Total bullpoop: if there's a conflict between them, the rights of a child always take precedence over the rights of the child's parents.

Score: 3

cantthinkofone
4:51pm Sun 31 Aug 14

I'm a staunch defender of the NHS, and particularly our local hospitals.

But FFS... having watched and read the accounts of this, apologies are certainly required. Not by the police either (who I'm no fan of), who were merely acting on the info given to them.

The communication failings in this incident will make case studies for years to come.

Let's just hope that the best outcomes are found for Ash, and that the Southampton doc (who by all accounts is clinically *excellent* if you have a google) isn't witch-hunted, so that he can continue to use his expertise to treat our kids.

I'm a staunch defender of the NHS, and particularly our local hospitals.
But FFS... having watched and read the accounts of this, apologies are certainly required. Not by the police either (who I'm no fan of), who were merely acting on the info given to them.
The communication failings in this incident will make case studies for years to come.
Let's just hope that the best outcomes are found for Ash, and that the Southampton doc (who by all accounts is clinically *excellent* if you have a google) isn't witch-hunted, so that he can continue to use his expertise to treat our kids.cantthinkofone

I'm a staunch defender of the NHS, and particularly our local hospitals.

But FFS... having watched and read the accounts of this, apologies are certainly required. Not by the police either (who I'm no fan of), who were merely acting on the info given to them.

The communication failings in this incident will make case studies for years to come.

Let's just hope that the best outcomes are found for Ash, and that the Southampton doc (who by all accounts is clinically *excellent* if you have a google) isn't witch-hunted, so that he can continue to use his expertise to treat our kids.

Score: 12

Sir Ad E Noid
8:25pm Sun 31 Aug 14

mr.southampton wrote…

I've held off commenting on this case, but I'm becoming increasingly annoyed at the uninformed piffle people are spouting about the hospital.

Quite rightly the hospital have not come out and commented on the reasons the Doctors have for the treatment they were offering. Unlike any other party they are bound by medical confidentiality.

Therefore all we will ever here is one side of the argument.

We all understand the stress the family must be under, and that they want what they feel is the best for their child.

But before rushing to judgement lets remember that the hospital and its staff are not in a position to defend themselves, or offer their reasoning.

So before we start all banging on about the NHS 'denying' treatment, or about foreign aid budgets we need to think that we don't know the full facts. We know one persons view - the view of a person under a lot of stress. We don't know at all whether anything has been denied on cost grounds, or whether it is simply because it is not appropriate for this particular case.

And there is a voice of reason. The parents, under extreme pressure, removed the boy from his treatment and went walkabout in Europe. Why, we just don't know. All will be revealed in good time, but the naysayers, you have a jolly good time spouting rubbish about the SGH, Police, Doctors, Consultants, the NHS and anybody else connected with this incident. Glad the boy is getting the continuity of treatment that he desperately requires.

[quote][p][bold]mr.southampton[/bold] wrote:
I've held off commenting on this case, but I'm becoming increasingly annoyed at the uninformed piffle people are spouting about the hospital.
Quite rightly the hospital have not come out and commented on the reasons the Doctors have for the treatment they were offering. Unlike any other party they are bound by medical confidentiality.
Therefore all we will ever here is one side of the argument.
We all understand the stress the family must be under, and that they want what they feel is the best for their child.
But before rushing to judgement lets remember that the hospital and its staff are not in a position to defend themselves, or offer their reasoning.
So before we start all banging on about the NHS 'denying' treatment, or about foreign aid budgets we need to think that we don't know the full facts. We know one persons view - the view of a person under a lot of stress. We don't know at all whether anything has been denied on cost grounds, or whether it is simply because it is not appropriate for this particular case.[/p][/quote]And there is a voice of reason. The parents, under extreme pressure, removed the boy from his treatment and went walkabout in Europe. Why, we just don't know. All will be revealed in good time, but the naysayers, you have a jolly good time spouting rubbish about the SGH, Police, Doctors, Consultants, the NHS and anybody else connected with this incident. Glad the boy is getting the continuity of treatment that he desperately requires.Sir Ad E Noid

mr.southampton wrote…

I've held off commenting on this case, but I'm becoming increasingly annoyed at the uninformed piffle people are spouting about the hospital.

Quite rightly the hospital have not come out and commented on the reasons the Doctors have for the treatment they were offering. Unlike any other party they are bound by medical confidentiality.

Therefore all we will ever here is one side of the argument.

We all understand the stress the family must be under, and that they want what they feel is the best for their child.

But before rushing to judgement lets remember that the hospital and its staff are not in a position to defend themselves, or offer their reasoning.

So before we start all banging on about the NHS 'denying' treatment, or about foreign aid budgets we need to think that we don't know the full facts. We know one persons view - the view of a person under a lot of stress. We don't know at all whether anything has been denied on cost grounds, or whether it is simply because it is not appropriate for this particular case.

And there is a voice of reason. The parents, under extreme pressure, removed the boy from his treatment and went walkabout in Europe. Why, we just don't know. All will be revealed in good time, but the naysayers, you have a jolly good time spouting rubbish about the SGH, Police, Doctors, Consultants, the NHS and anybody else connected with this incident. Glad the boy is getting the continuity of treatment that he desperately requires.

Score: 0

mike coll
5:57pm Sun 31 Aug 14

The police man in charge of this mess is from liverpool, is it any surprise that the entire police involvement has turned into a total complete farce.

The police man in charge of this mess is from liverpool, is it any surprise that the entire police involvement has turned into a total complete farce.mike coll

The police man in charge of this mess is from liverpool, is it any surprise that the entire police involvement has turned into a total complete farce.

Score: -16

Mousetrap
6:03pm Sun 31 Aug 14

mike coll wrote…

The police man in charge of this mess is from liverpool, is it any surprise that the entire police involvement has turned into a total complete farce.

And no doubt all the staff at Southampton Hospital must be from Liverpool which is why no-one spotted this seriously ill child missing for 6 hours.

[quote][p][bold]mike coll[/bold] wrote:
The police man in charge of this mess is from liverpool, is it any surprise that the entire police involvement has turned into a total complete farce.[/p][/quote]And no doubt all the staff at Southampton Hospital must be from Liverpool which is why no-one spotted this seriously ill child missing for 6 hours.Mousetrap

mike coll wrote…

The police man in charge of this mess is from liverpool, is it any surprise that the entire police involvement has turned into a total complete farce.

And no doubt all the staff at Southampton Hospital must be from Liverpool which is why no-one spotted this seriously ill child missing for 6 hours.

Score: 0

Mousetrap
6:03pm Sun 31 Aug 14

mike coll wrote…

The police man in charge of this mess is from liverpool, is it any surprise that the entire police involvement has turned into a total complete farce.

And no doubt all the staff at Southampton Hospital must be from Liverpool which is why no-one spotted this seriously ill child missing for 6 hours.

[quote][p][bold]mike coll[/bold] wrote:
The police man in charge of this mess is from liverpool, is it any surprise that the entire police involvement has turned into a total complete farce.[/p][/quote]And no doubt all the staff at Southampton Hospital must be from Liverpool which is why no-one spotted this seriously ill child missing for 6 hours.Mousetrap

mike coll wrote…

The police man in charge of this mess is from liverpool, is it any surprise that the entire police involvement has turned into a total complete farce.

And no doubt all the staff at Southampton Hospital must be from Liverpool which is why no-one spotted this seriously ill child missing for 6 hours.

Score: -1

redsnapper
6:23pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Wish the plods would overeact like this against all the low life scum crimes in Southampton instead of chasing runaway parent s who as soon as they removed the child took full responsibility. NHS is blameless.

Wish the plods would overeact like this against all the low life scum crimes in Southampton instead of chasing runaway parent s who as soon as they removed the child took full responsibility. NHS is blameless.redsnapper

Wish the plods would overeact like this against all the low life scum crimes in Southampton instead of chasing runaway parent s who as soon as they removed the child took full responsibility. NHS is blameless.

Score: 4

redsnapper
6:42pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Wish the plods would overeact like this against all the low life scum crimes in Southampton instead of chasing runaway parent s who as soon as they removed the child took full responsibility. NHS is blameless.

Wish the plods would overeact like this against all the low life scum crimes in Southampton instead of chasing runaway parent s who as soon as they removed the child took full responsibility. NHS is blameless.redsnapper

Wish the plods would overeact like this against all the low life scum crimes in Southampton instead of chasing runaway parent s who as soon as they removed the child took full responsibility. NHS is blameless.

Score: 0

Paramjit Bahia
8:25pm Sun 31 Aug 14

It may be disappointing but considering the nature of many contributors Daily Echo website attracts, although not all but many contributors appear to be ignoring the child whose health care should be most important issue.

That child is Ashya, who deserves full sympathy and the very best wishes from everybody with human blood.

Good news is that according to Ch 4 news now Ashya is being cared for in a hospital in Spain.

Blaming Southampton hospital police or parents without knowing all the facts is unfair.

The parents naturally love their child. They according to Ch4 news have even considered selling their house in Spain to pay for private treatment.

It may be that somehow the communications between parents and doctors went wrong, because they had different but well intentioned views about what could be best treatment for child's health.

Perhaps if the parents had kept hospital informed, with simple phone call etc then hospital's reaction may have been very different than reporting it to police.

In fairness Hampshire Police did their very best to find the child. Had they not made search for Ashya their top priority the very people who are blaming cops now would have accused them for ignoring case of a missing child with very serious health problems.

Thanks to efforts of Hampshire Police now the child is in hospital in Spain.

But now both the parents are in custody of Spainish police. Which can't be the right place for parents who are only trying to arrange, what they think to be better treatment for the child they love.

As the child has been found, is now under the care of qualified medics Hampshire Police should cancel the European Arrest Warrant and allow them to be with their other kids and visit Ash and decide which is the best treatment for their child, with independent medical advice.

And Southampton hospital should be looking into IF and why the communication with parents went wrong, and why it took many hours to realise that a child in their care has gone missing. Police should be now be advising the hospital about security of children when in hospital.

Best wishes for Ashya's good health.

It may be disappointing but considering the nature of many contributors Daily Echo website attracts, although not all but many contributors appear to be ignoring the child whose health care should be most important issue.
That child is Ashya, who deserves full sympathy and the very best wishes from everybody with human blood.
Good news is that according to Ch 4 news now Ashya is being cared for in a hospital in Spain.
Blaming Southampton hospital police or parents without knowing all the facts is unfair.
The parents naturally love their child. They according to Ch4 news have even considered selling their house in Spain to pay for private treatment.
It may be that somehow the communications between parents and doctors went wrong, because they had different but well intentioned views about what could be best treatment for child's health.
Perhaps if the parents had kept hospital informed, with simple phone call etc then hospital's reaction may have been very different than reporting it to police.
In fairness Hampshire Police did their very best to find the child. Had they not made search for Ashya their top priority the very people who are blaming cops now would have accused them for ignoring case of a missing child with very serious health problems.
Thanks to efforts of Hampshire Police now the child is in hospital in Spain.
But now both the parents are in custody of Spainish police. Which can't be the right place for parents who are only trying to arrange, what they think to be better treatment for the child they love.
As the child has been found, is now under the care of qualified medics Hampshire Police should cancel the European Arrest Warrant and allow them to be with their other kids and visit Ash and decide which is the best treatment for their child, with independent medical advice.
And Southampton hospital should be looking into IF and why the communication with parents went wrong, and why it took many hours to realise that a child in their care has gone missing. Police should be now be advising the hospital about security of children when in hospital.
Best wishes for Ashya's good health.Paramjit Bahia

It may be disappointing but considering the nature of many contributors Daily Echo website attracts, although not all but many contributors appear to be ignoring the child whose health care should be most important issue.

That child is Ashya, who deserves full sympathy and the very best wishes from everybody with human blood.

Good news is that according to Ch 4 news now Ashya is being cared for in a hospital in Spain.

Blaming Southampton hospital police or parents without knowing all the facts is unfair.

The parents naturally love their child. They according to Ch4 news have even considered selling their house in Spain to pay for private treatment.

It may be that somehow the communications between parents and doctors went wrong, because they had different but well intentioned views about what could be best treatment for child's health.

Perhaps if the parents had kept hospital informed, with simple phone call etc then hospital's reaction may have been very different than reporting it to police.

In fairness Hampshire Police did their very best to find the child. Had they not made search for Ashya their top priority the very people who are blaming cops now would have accused them for ignoring case of a missing child with very serious health problems.

Thanks to efforts of Hampshire Police now the child is in hospital in Spain.

But now both the parents are in custody of Spainish police. Which can't be the right place for parents who are only trying to arrange, what they think to be better treatment for the child they love.

As the child has been found, is now under the care of qualified medics Hampshire Police should cancel the European Arrest Warrant and allow them to be with their other kids and visit Ash and decide which is the best treatment for their child, with independent medical advice.

And Southampton hospital should be looking into IF and why the communication with parents went wrong, and why it took many hours to realise that a child in their care has gone missing. Police should be now be advising the hospital about security of children when in hospital.

Best wishes for Ashya's good health.

Score: 6

funkadelic
8:34pm Sun 31 Aug 14

This case is making me feel so angry for those poor parents. Its about time the so called experts listened to ordinary people who through the www can now have more knowledge and understanding of an illness than an 'expert' through reading and reading. The Father sounds like he knows a lot more than those advising him. Any parent would want to act in the best interests of their child, and should be allowed to do so.

This case is making me feel so angry for those poor parents. Its about time the so called experts listened to ordinary people who through the www can now have more knowledge and understanding of an illness than an 'expert' through reading and reading. The Father sounds like he knows a lot more than those advising him. Any parent would want to act in the best interests of their child, and should be allowed to do so.funkadelic

This case is making me feel so angry for those poor parents. Its about time the so called experts listened to ordinary people who through the www can now have more knowledge and understanding of an illness than an 'expert' through reading and reading. The Father sounds like he knows a lot more than those advising him. Any parent would want to act in the best interests of their child, and should be allowed to do so.

Score: 4

eurogordi
9:11pm Sun 31 Aug 14

No one is denying that Ashya is a very ill child, but from what I have seen there are over reactions on the part of both the NHS and police.

1. The parents were allowed to take Ashya out of the hospital as part of a care plan.

2. The NHS claimed the batteries would run out within 24 hours, but didn't account for the parents ensuring the equipment was kept functional.

3. The parents travelled to Spain with Aysha so that he could get the treatment they, as parents, wanted him to have.

4. The police went totally overboard by issuing an international arrest warrant, again failing to recognise parental responsibility.

5. The lack of apology from both the police and NHS is a total disgrace.

I am a parent and I would have done exactly the same as Mr & Mrs King had I felt there was more chance of specialised treatment in another country.

THEY DID NOTHING WRONG other than love and want the VERY best for their son. Why are they being hounded as criminals?

No one is denying that Ashya is a very ill child, but from what I have seen there are over reactions on the part of both the NHS and police.
1. The parents were allowed to take Ashya out of the hospital as part of a care plan.
2. The NHS claimed the batteries would run out within 24 hours, but didn't account for the parents ensuring the equipment was kept functional.
3. The parents travelled to Spain with Aysha so that he could get the treatment they, as parents, wanted him to have.
4. The police went totally overboard by issuing an international arrest warrant, again failing to recognise parental responsibility.
5. The lack of apology from both the police and NHS is a total disgrace.
I am a parent and I would have done exactly the same as Mr & Mrs King had I felt there was more chance of specialised treatment in another country.
THEY DID NOTHING WRONG other than love and want the VERY best for their son. Why are they being hounded as criminals?eurogordi

No one is denying that Ashya is a very ill child, but from what I have seen there are over reactions on the part of both the NHS and police.

1. The parents were allowed to take Ashya out of the hospital as part of a care plan.

2. The NHS claimed the batteries would run out within 24 hours, but didn't account for the parents ensuring the equipment was kept functional.

3. The parents travelled to Spain with Aysha so that he could get the treatment they, as parents, wanted him to have.

4. The police went totally overboard by issuing an international arrest warrant, again failing to recognise parental responsibility.

5. The lack of apology from both the police and NHS is a total disgrace.

I am a parent and I would have done exactly the same as Mr & Mrs King had I felt there was more chance of specialised treatment in another country.

THEY DID NOTHING WRONG other than love and want the VERY best for their son. Why are they being hounded as criminals?

Score: 2

Donald2000
9:45pm Sun 31 Aug 14

I just wish we could all start a fund and chip in and get the child the proton beam therapy that the child warrants and deserves. I hope the editor and others see my polite request. Maybe if we all pulled together we could raise the money. Just a thought anyway.

I just wish we could all start a fund and chip in and get the child the proton beam therapy that the child warrants and deserves. I hope the editor and others see my polite request. Maybe if we all pulled together we could raise the money. Just a thought anyway.Donald2000

I just wish we could all start a fund and chip in and get the child the proton beam therapy that the child warrants and deserves. I hope the editor and others see my polite request. Maybe if we all pulled together we could raise the money. Just a thought anyway.

Score: -3

Lordcem
10:51pm Sun 31 Aug 14

The police had no legal grounds for obtaining a warrant so it must be deemed invalid in many respects. The poor parents have been the subject of a witch hunt with their faces and identities splattered across the media in several countries. The Assistant Chief Constable displays nothing but arrogance in refusing an apology. A better man would have immediately given that at the very least and perhaps even consider his position. The parents had not committed any crime by removing him from hospital albeit against some medical advice. Since the child was not subject to a court order then the parents' must obviously remain in complete charge of their son's well-being. The police over acted and they should be held to account.

The police had no legal grounds for obtaining a warrant so it must be deemed invalid in many respects. The poor parents have been the subject of a witch hunt with their faces and identities splattered across the media in several countries. The Assistant Chief Constable displays nothing but arrogance in refusing an apology. A better man would have immediately given that at the very least and perhaps even consider his position. The parents had not committed any crime by removing him from hospital albeit against some medical advice. Since the child was not subject to a court order then the parents' must obviously remain in complete charge of their son's well-being. The police over acted and they should be held to account.Lordcem

The police had no legal grounds for obtaining a warrant so it must be deemed invalid in many respects. The poor parents have been the subject of a witch hunt with their faces and identities splattered across the media in several countries. The Assistant Chief Constable displays nothing but arrogance in refusing an apology. A better man would have immediately given that at the very least and perhaps even consider his position. The parents had not committed any crime by removing him from hospital albeit against some medical advice. Since the child was not subject to a court order then the parents' must obviously remain in complete charge of their son's well-being. The police over acted and they should be held to account.

Score: 1

Donald2000
11:29pm Sun 31 Aug 14

Lordcem wrote…

The police had no legal grounds for obtaining a warrant so it must be deemed invalid in many respects. The poor parents have been the subject of a witch hunt with their faces and identities splattered across the media in several countries. The Assistant Chief Constable displays nothing but arrogance in refusing an apology. A better man would have immediately given that at the very least and perhaps even consider his position. The parents had not committed any crime by removing him from hospital albeit against some medical advice. Since the child was not subject to a court order then the parents' must obviously remain in complete charge of their son's well-being. The police over acted and they should be held to account.

I don't think this matters when any doctors can ring up the police and give them a story and then of course the police do what they do best - issue an arrest warrant.. Of course that warrant would have been issued under a totally spurious pretext but still never mind. Meanwhile budding jihadists are going backwards and forwards totally undetected.

[quote][p][bold]Lordcem[/bold] wrote:
The police had no legal grounds for obtaining a warrant so it must be deemed invalid in many respects. The poor parents have been the subject of a witch hunt with their faces and identities splattered across the media in several countries. The Assistant Chief Constable displays nothing but arrogance in refusing an apology. A better man would have immediately given that at the very least and perhaps even consider his position. The parents had not committed any crime by removing him from hospital albeit against some medical advice. Since the child was not subject to a court order then the parents' must obviously remain in complete charge of their son's well-being. The police over acted and they should be held to account.[/p][/quote]I don't think this matters when any doctors can ring up the police and give them a story and then of course the police do what they do best - issue an arrest warrant.. Of course that warrant would have been issued under a totally spurious pretext but still never mind. Meanwhile budding jihadists are going backwards and forwards totally undetected.Donald2000

Lordcem wrote…

The police had no legal grounds for obtaining a warrant so it must be deemed invalid in many respects. The poor parents have been the subject of a witch hunt with their faces and identities splattered across the media in several countries. The Assistant Chief Constable displays nothing but arrogance in refusing an apology. A better man would have immediately given that at the very least and perhaps even consider his position. The parents had not committed any crime by removing him from hospital albeit against some medical advice. Since the child was not subject to a court order then the parents' must obviously remain in complete charge of their son's well-being. The police over acted and they should be held to account.

I don't think this matters when any doctors can ring up the police and give them a story and then of course the police do what they do best - issue an arrest warrant.. Of course that warrant would have been issued under a totally spurious pretext but still never mind. Meanwhile budding jihadists are going backwards and forwards totally undetected.

Score: -6

andysaints007
2:02am Mon 1 Sep 14

Donald2000 wrote…

Lordcem wrote…

The police had no legal grounds for obtaining a warrant so it must be deemed invalid in many respects. The poor parents have been the subject of a witch hunt with their faces and identities splattered across the media in several countries. The Assistant Chief Constable displays nothing but arrogance in refusing an apology. A better man would have immediately given that at the very least and perhaps even consider his position. The parents had not committed any crime by removing him from hospital albeit against some medical advice. Since the child was not subject to a court order then the parents' must obviously remain in complete charge of their son's well-being. The police over acted and they should be held to account.

I don't think this matters when any doctors can ring up the police and give them a story and then of course the police do what they do best - issue an arrest warrant.. Of course that warrant would have been issued under a totally spurious pretext but still never mind. Meanwhile budding jihadists are going backwards and forwards totally undetected.

Pr*ck

[quote][p][bold]Donald2000[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Lordcem[/bold] wrote:
The police had no legal grounds for obtaining a warrant so it must be deemed invalid in many respects. The poor parents have been the subject of a witch hunt with their faces and identities splattered across the media in several countries. The Assistant Chief Constable displays nothing but arrogance in refusing an apology. A better man would have immediately given that at the very least and perhaps even consider his position. The parents had not committed any crime by removing him from hospital albeit against some medical advice. Since the child was not subject to a court order then the parents' must obviously remain in complete charge of their son's well-being. The police over acted and they should be held to account.[/p][/quote]I don't think this matters when any doctors can ring up the police and give them a story and then of course the police do what they do best - issue an arrest warrant.. Of course that warrant would have been issued under a totally spurious pretext but still never mind. Meanwhile budding jihadists are going backwards and forwards totally undetected.[/p][/quote]Pr*ckandysaints007

Donald2000 wrote…

Lordcem wrote…

The police had no legal grounds for obtaining a warrant so it must be deemed invalid in many respects. The poor parents have been the subject of a witch hunt with their faces and identities splattered across the media in several countries. The Assistant Chief Constable displays nothing but arrogance in refusing an apology. A better man would have immediately given that at the very least and perhaps even consider his position. The parents had not committed any crime by removing him from hospital albeit against some medical advice. Since the child was not subject to a court order then the parents' must obviously remain in complete charge of their son's well-being. The police over acted and they should be held to account.

I don't think this matters when any doctors can ring up the police and give them a story and then of course the police do what they do best - issue an arrest warrant.. Of course that warrant would have been issued under a totally spurious pretext but still never mind. Meanwhile budding jihadists are going backwards and forwards totally undetected.

Pr*ck

Score: 8

Lordcem
10:02am Mon 1 Sep 14

Graeme Harrison wrote…

Lordcem wrote…

One more instance of the police over acting and in fact outwith the law. They managed to obtain a phoney arrest warrant. I say phoney for such a legal device needs to be founded on sound law and not on sand as it seems in this case. The child was not the subject or under order of any court and the parents rights over their child must always be paramount. They have been subjected to a witch hunt spread over three countries with their names and identities splattered across the media. Is this what we expect of our police in 2014. They seem to operate above and beyond the law when it suits them. That I contend is not their role. The assistant chief constable's arrogance is both breath-taking and indeed frightening.

Total bullpoop: if there's a conflict between them, the rights of a child always take precedence over the rights of the child's parents.

The parents' right take precedence over any police or hospital unless there is a court order making the child a ward of court. Graeme Harrison seems to think if he disguises the language of the gutter that it is all right to use it. Well it isn't!

[quote][p][bold]Graeme Harrison[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Lordcem[/bold] wrote:
One more instance of the police over acting and in fact outwith the law. They managed to obtain a phoney arrest warrant. I say phoney for such a legal device needs to be founded on sound law and not on sand as it seems in this case. The child was not the subject or under order of any court and the parents rights over their child must always be paramount. They have been subjected to a witch hunt spread over three countries with their names and identities splattered across the media. Is this what we expect of our police in 2014. They seem to operate above and beyond the law when it suits them. That I contend is not their role. The assistant chief constable's arrogance is both breath-taking and indeed frightening.[/p][/quote]Total bullpoop: if there's a conflict between them, the rights of a child always take precedence over the rights of the child's parents.[/p][/quote]The parents' right take precedence over any police or hospital unless there is a court order making the child a ward of court. Graeme Harrison seems to think if he disguises the language of the gutter that it is all right to use it. Well it isn't!Lordcem

Graeme Harrison wrote…

Lordcem wrote…

One more instance of the police over acting and in fact outwith the law. They managed to obtain a phoney arrest warrant. I say phoney for such a legal device needs to be founded on sound law and not on sand as it seems in this case. The child was not the subject or under order of any court and the parents rights over their child must always be paramount. They have been subjected to a witch hunt spread over three countries with their names and identities splattered across the media. Is this what we expect of our police in 2014. They seem to operate above and beyond the law when it suits them. That I contend is not their role. The assistant chief constable's arrogance is both breath-taking and indeed frightening.

Total bullpoop: if there's a conflict between them, the rights of a child always take precedence over the rights of the child's parents.

The parents' right take precedence over any police or hospital unless there is a court order making the child a ward of court. Graeme Harrison seems to think if he disguises the language of the gutter that it is all right to use it. Well it isn't!

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