You don't have to take steroids to gain muscle, there are plenty of natural supplements out there just go to the body for life web site. www.bodyforlife.com . I can't guarantee that none of these people are on steroids but the program is really good and well balanced between eating, excersize and supplementation.

Anyway I don't want to be huge huge just muscular and toned
I am 6 ft. 3",and weigh 165lb, my fat percentage is about 6%. And thats the way I want to be I may even have to lose some weight to compete in Muay Thai in the under 75Kg division that way I'll be the at the top of my weight division. The other route I could take would be to gain 5Kg with some creatine, protein and loads of working out.

Have you ever read teh steroid bible, this book teaches you how to load with out kiiling your self. I have never too any way too much money LOL. But they are up for debate, I have heard people say that the resaon steroids killed is because they used them wrong.

We eat meat LOADED with steroids EVERY DAY.

Theres really nothing so horrible about doing them. I've never in my life experienced rage or anything like that. I never bruised either altho your ass is SORE from that ****, like a tetnus shot lol.

And for everyone info, steroids arent going to make you a monster or anything. In order to look like Dorian Yates or someone you have to ABUSE steroids for YEARS and YEARS. Alot of people think that as soon as you inject 1cc of Sustanon your going to SWELL and become this MONSTER who RAGES and can bench your house. You dont really notice JACK **** for a WHILE. It takes time to even get absorbed into your system.

And here another little tip for you....you STILL have to work your ASS OFF for great results. I've lifted both on AND off and you STILL bust your ass EITHER WAY. People just get pissed because you get better results. Your ALSO lifting ALOT more than most people. Alot of guys that use steroids lift 6 and 7 days a week. So when someone tells you guys that are using roids dont work tell them they're full of ****. Then direct them to this site and I'll tell them again.

In re-reading this thread I'm starting to realize that this forum is loaded with a bunch of skinny little fucks. &lt;img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>

Despite my strong anti-steroids stance many of you are damn good candidates for either roids or at the bare minnimum some pretty intense personal training. Stold2 in particular seems to be in some particular need of strength training. Simple body exercises aren't gonna cut it buddy. Regardless of age (within reason) or sex you should be able to do more than 135 on flat bench. There's an old thread around about relative strength, look it up.

Strength is good. Speed is good. Flexibility is good. If you're missing any of these in any major way you ought to start focusing on improving in that arena (for me its flexibility, though I suspect my earlier back surgery had something to do with that).

FD; I'll look for some articles that will back me up, its been awhile so it might take a bit. As I recall most of them center on the debate about the use of BsT in dairy production. Misinformation and political interests caused virtual hysteria over this (to the result that Ben and Jerry's only use nonBsT milk).

'Course I'm not too happy with your weight classes which put mein your heaviest category. All of you are going to have to rethink things when you hit puberty&lt;img src=icon_smile.gif border=0 align=middle>

**Oh my god! I don't wanna go to THE STREET mommy! All the mean crazy psycho ninjas pick on me and take my lunch money.**

well all the size and power will not help you when you die from liver failure or your heart gives out. As in MA there are no short cuts watch your diet train your ass off learn to use what you were given.

Of course this hurts, after all it is not basket weaving.

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After reading Jekyll's threads I bring back an old sig.......

Do you really train or just bore people on message boards and parties talking about it.

The connective tissue/ligament problem is a pretty big one. A lot of lifters, and especially those who use steroids, have long-term rotator cuff problems. This is a lot of what people are talking about when they talk about the loss of flexibility. It's called adaptive shortening, and if you walk into virtually any gym, almost half of those working out there will suffer from it. Often without even realizing. I don't know how the negative effects of certain steroids like cortisone relate to growth steroids.

**The most miraculous power that can verifiably be attributed to "chi" is its ability to be all things to virtually all people, depending on what version of the superstition they are attempting to defend at any given moment.**

Normally, I'd say I was grappling, but I was taking down and mounting people, and JFS has kindly informed us that takedowns and being mounted are neither grappling nor anti grappling, so I'm not sure what the **** I was doing. Maybe schroedinger's sparring, where it's neither grappling nor anti-grappling until somoene observes it and collapses the waveform, and then I RNC a cat to death.----fatherdog

Kempocos: Basically your whole post is full of ****. Your comparing people that use steroids once a year or MAYBE twice to guys that use it CONTANTLY all year LONG. ANY substance can be ABUSED. Ask any doctor if you can DIE from drinking too much WATER in a day. You can. People used to drink lots of water because it would give them a euphoric feeling, almost like a drug when consumed in MASS AMOUNTS in a short period of time.