quickdraw:MmmmBacon: Thank you, Ryan, for killing any chance you might have had of winning the Presidency in 2016. You have almost single-handedly given the Presidency to the Democrats until at least 2020, if not 2024, and for that I again thank you. Oh, and way to learn from the arse-kicking the GOP took in November 2012, Sir.

What a crazy bastard!

I really never understood the phrase "punchable face" until I saw Paul Ryan.

Actually, I think his face is cock-punchable, which is a concept I never conceived of before him. And now we learn that he thinks sex criminals should have the right to raise children.

I change my mind. As my grandad used to say. Never hit 'em. Kick 'em. It hurts worse.

Somacandra:Peter von Nostrand: Hmmmm... considering the source of the analysis, I'll take a pass for now

Then here's the same story from an anti-abortionist website. You are now free to post derp without giving poor ol' Jezebel a clicky-click. You're welcome, candyass.

Jezebel is an abortion of a website written by half-literate tittering shiatheads but I have given it 5 clicks to uphold my promise to click 5 times each time a person announces a refusal to click somewhere. You're doing more harm than good by announcing it.

SEC. 2. DECLARATION. In the exercise of the powers of the Congress, including Congress' power under article I, section 8 of the Constitution, to make necessary and proper laws, and Congress' power under section 5 of the 14th article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States-- (1) the Congress declares that-- (A) the right to life guaranteed by the Constitution is vested in each human being, and is the paramount and most fundamental right of a person; and (B) the life of each human being begins with fertilization, cloning, or its functional equivalent, irrespective of sex, health, function or disability, defect, stage of biological development, or condition of dependency, at which time every human being shall have all the legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood; and (2) the Congress affirms that the Congress, each State, the District of Columbia, and all United States territories have the authority to protect the lives of all human beings residing in its respective jurisdictions. It seems a "bit" of a stretch to read that, and then come to the conclusion that Paul Ryan's intent is to "make sure rapists have the right to sue the raped mothers of their rape babies for custody."

Thanks. I assumed as much based on their reporting history and it's nice to see it reinforced.

fusillade762:That's odd that they single out gender like that. No protections for sexual preference or race?

Is there a history of mothers aborting gay fetii? Are race based abortions a things?

MisterTweak:I'm not jewish, but I've been at enough seders to remember there's a part of the hagaddah(sp?) going "without X there couldn't have been Y" and so on. There's a story of that epic scale to be made of the 1992-2012 GOP.

And it's dayenu - "it would have been enough/sufficient for us."

But yes, the R$ campaign provided voters thousands of reasons to say "Dayenu."

quickdraw:BravadoGT: Here's the entire declaration from the offending act:

SEC. 2. DECLARATION. In the exercise of the powers of the Congress, including Congress' power under article I, section 8 of the Constitution, to make necessary and proper laws, and Congress' power under section 5 of the 14th article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States-- (1) the Congress declares that-- (A) the right to life guaranteed by the Constitution is vested in each human being, and is the paramount and most fundamental right of a person; and (B) the life of each human being begins with fertilization, cloning, or its functional equivalent, irrespective of sex, health, function or disability, defect, stage of biological development, or condition of dependency, at which time every human being shall have all the legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood; and (2) the Congress affirms that the Congress, each State, the District of Columbia, and all United States territories have the authority to protect the lives of all human beings residing in its respective jurisdictions. It seems a "bit" of a stretch to read that, and then come to the conclusion that Paul Ryan's intent is to "make sure rapists have the right to sue the raped mothers of their rape babies for custody."

Well this is how Jezebel analyzed it.

"Which actually means that states would have the right to ban all abortions with no exception for rape, incest, or the life of the mother. Further, in those states, if a woman was raped and wanted to have an abortion in another state, her rapist could theoretically sue her to stop the abortion, and Drum suspects that he'd probably win. "

And I can see their reasoning. Under that law the father could prevent the abortion and sue for custody. Especially in states that already give rapists paternal rights.

Oh, do go on. Please tell us which states have permitted "alleged" fathers (without test of paternity) to sue in order to prevent an abortion.

/bonus points for anyone who can explain how an individual could use the proposed statute in question to obtain an injunction when it doesn't explicitly create a private right of action.

quickdraw:MmmmBacon: Thank you, Ryan, for killing any chance you might have had of winning the Presidency in 2016. You have almost single-handedly given the Presidency to the Democrats until at least 2020, if not 2024, and for that I again thank you. Oh, and way to learn from the arse-kicking the GOP took in November 2012, Sir.

What a crazy bastard!

I really never understood the phrase "punchable face" until I saw Paul Ryan.

You must not follow the derposphere much. Ryan isn't even in the top ten of most punchable republican faces.

skullkrusher:Somacandra: Peter von Nostrand: Hmmmm... considering the source of the analysis, I'll take a pass for now

Then here's the same story from an anti-abortionist website. You are now free to post derp without giving poor ol' Jezebel a clicky-click. You're welcome, candyass.

Jezebel is an abortion of a website written by half-literate tittering shiatheads but I have given it 5 clicks to uphold my promise to click 5 times each time a person announces a refusal to click somewhere. You're doing more harm than good by announcing it.

The way I read it, a state or territory can sue or seek an injunction to prevent an abortion, which is bad enough and terribly written. I don't see any reason to throw in some non-sense about rapists suing or whatever

MmmmBacon:Thank you, Ryan, for killing any chance you might have had of winning the Presidency in 2016. You have almost single-handedly given the Presidency to the Democrats until at least 2020, if not 2024, and for that I again thank you. Oh, and way to learn from the arse-kicking the GOP took in November 2012, Sir.

What a crazy bastard!

It's cute that you think that. Maybe 2% of voters will hate Ryan for this, another maybe 2% will love him for it, another 20% or so probably won't remember this even happened by next week when the next distraction comes up and their little flea brains focus on that. The remaining 56% or so don't have any idea what goes on in politics at all, and just vote for whoever has the right letter next to their name, or whose name sounds likeable, or who the TV or their friends or their pastor or family or whatever tells them to vote for.

Holding politicians accountable for their actions and statements. Ha, funny.

I find it highly hilarious that Paul Ryan is the go-to guy when Republicans want to point to a economic policy wonk who's all about jobs and growth, and yet here he is sponsoring a bill to give a zygote personhood.

If this would ever pass, be sure to time your pregnancies so you conceive in one year and give birth during the next, so you can declare the embryo as a dependent both years. The numbers of summer birthdays will skyrocket.

quickdraw:MmmmBacon: quickdraw: MmmmBacon: Thank you, Ryan, for killing any chance you might have had of winning the Presidency in 2016. You have almost single-handedly given the Presidency to the Democrats until at least 2020, if not 2024, and for that I again thank you. Oh, and way to learn from the arse-kicking the GOP took in November 2012, Sir.

What a crazy bastard!

I really never understood the phrase "punchable face" until I saw Paul Ryan.

His face is quite punchable. When the Revolution comes, while the Lawyers (and politicians) are lined up against the Wall, Paul Ryan will be set aside from the others, with a line of angry women waiting for their turn to either punch him in the face or kick him in the jumblies. A Fiver slipped to the guards gives a lady both options on her turn.

I would definitely go for the face - if only to shut him up. Besides Im not sure he has jumblies.

For five bucks, you don't have to skip the jumblies, just in case they are there.

Emposter:MmmmBacon: Thank you, Ryan, for killing any chance you might have had of winning the Presidency in 2016. You have almost single-handedly given the Presidency to the Democrats until at least 2020, if not 2024, and for that I again thank you. Oh, and way to learn from the arse-kicking the GOP took in November 2012, Sir.

What a crazy bastard!

It's cute that you think that. Maybe 2% of voters will hate Ryan for this, another maybe 2% will love him for it, another 20% or so probably won't remember this even happened by next week when the next distraction comes up and their little flea brains focus on that. The remaining 56% or so don't have any idea what goes on in politics at all, and just vote for whoever has the right letter next to their name, or whose name sounds likeable, or who the TV or their friends or their pastor or family or whatever tells them to vote for.

Holding politicians accountable for their actions and statements. Ha, funny.

Peter von Nostrand:skullkrusher: Somacandra: Peter von Nostrand: Hmmmm... considering the source of the analysis, I'll take a pass for now

Then here's the same story from an anti-abortionist website. You are now free to post derp without giving poor ol' Jezebel a clicky-click. You're welcome, candyass.

Jezebel is an abortion of a website written by half-literate tittering shiatheads but I have given it 5 clicks to uphold my promise to click 5 times each time a person announces a refusal to click somewhere. You're doing more harm than good by announcing it.

The way I read it, a state or territory can sue or seek an injunction to prevent an abortion, which is bad enough and terribly written. I don't see any reason to throw in some non-sense about rapists suing or whatever

skullkrusher:Peter von Nostrand: skullkrusher: Somacandra: Peter von Nostrand: Hmmmm... considering the source of the analysis, I'll take a pass for now

Then here's the same story from an anti-abortionist website. You are now free to post derp without giving poor ol' Jezebel a clicky-click. You're welcome, candyass.

Jezebel is an abortion of a website written by half-literate tittering shiatheads but I have given it 5 clicks to uphold my promise to click 5 times each time a person announces a refusal to click somewhere. You're doing more harm than good by announcing it.

The way I read it, a state or territory can sue or seek an injunction to prevent an abortion, which is bad enough and terribly written. I don't see any reason to throw in some non-sense about rapists suing or whatever

that's why

At least you're a half-glass full kind of person, since you said they're half-literate

Then here's the same story from an anti-abortionist website. You are now free to post derp without giving poor ol' Jezebel a clicky-click. You're welcome, candyass.

Jezebel is an abortion of a website written by half-literate tittering shiatheads but I have given it 5 clicks to uphold my promise to click 5 times each time a person announces a refusal to click somewhere. You're doing more harm than good by announcing it.

The way I read it, a state or territory can sue or seek an injunction to prevent an abortion, which is bad enough and terribly written. I don't see any reason to throw in some non-sense about rapists suing or whatever

that's why

At least you're a half-glass full kind of person, since you said they're half-literate

(B) the life of each human being begins with fertilization, cloning, or its functional equivalent, irrespective of sex, health, function or disability, defect, stage of biological development, or condition of dependency, at which time every human being shall have all the legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of personhood; and

So what happens when there is a conflict between the constitutional attributes and privileges of the pregnant woman and the constitutional attributes and privileges of the fetus? Flip a coin and see who wins?

I went to a Catholic funeral for a ~75 year old woman today (mother of a friend). We're dead center in the middle of Kansas here. There were at least 30 beard sporting/bonnet wearing Holderman Mennonite's there for farks sake (husband was a lapsed Mennonite but never converted to Catholic for his wife). Could not be a more conservative setting.

And yet the priest still found it necessary to drop a "Isn't it great she had a long and fruitful life because her parents didn't have her aborted?"...not once but TWICE! AT A farkING FUNERAL! For a woman who, finally, mercifully, was free of the cancer that had been destroying her body for the past 2-3 years!

I can't imagine what he's spewing "to the choir", so to speak, on a week-to-week basis. Gotta be honest, sort of opened my eyes a bit.

MmmmBacon:quickdraw: MmmmBacon: Thank you, Ryan, for killing any chance you might have had of winning the Presidency in 2016. You have almost single-handedly given the Presidency to the Democrats until at least 2020, if not 2024, and for that I again thank you. Oh, and way to learn from the arse-kicking the GOP took in November 2012, Sir.

What a crazy bastard!

I really never understood the phrase "punchable face" until I saw Paul Ryan.

His face is quite punchable. When the Revolution comes, while the Lawyers (and politicians) are lined up against the Wall, Paul Ryan will be set aside from the others, with a line of angry women waiting for their turn to either punch him in the face or kick him in the jumblies. A Fiver slipped to the guards gives a lady both options on her turn.

I've never punched a person in my life, and I'd probably break my hand the first time I did, but I'd be willing to give Paul Ryan the honor of being my first :)

I seriously do not understand the people who think he's good looking in any way. The only youngish Republican during the 2012 campaign who was creepier was Bap Romney.

As a pretty pro-choice liberal I will say I can at least under the notion that, if life begins at conception, than the whole rape and incest exception doesn't make much sense. What's just weird to me is following through positions to logical conclusions.

Every miscarriage would seem like it could be investigated as a homicide. If this sort of law is passed, would a rapist be able to get medical records to see if his victim had an abortion? If she wound up miscarrying, could he get her thrown in jail?

It'd be awesome if life was as simple as republicans seem think it is, but holy hell, we don't live in 4,000 BCE...

I should hope that if you weren't a right-winger, you'd be intelligent enough to avoid even the possibility of being mistaken as defending this anathematic grandstanding -- which, so far, you have not avoided at all.

FloydA:Of all the controversial issues they could have picked to make central to their platform, I for one, am glad that the GOP decided to become the pro-rape party. That's a message that is sure to bring the people out to the polls in huge numbers.

Nice spin and you're all enjoying the ride I see.

The intent of the bill was to allow the biological father to be able to sue to prevent the abortion of his child, but yeah, I guess if a rapist would theoretically wanted to take on the financial responsibility for this child, the law would probably allow him to sue to prevent the abortion as well.

Yes, I totally agree and support the women's final decision on the matter but if the biological father (not usually a rapist) wanted the birth to come to full term and had the means and intent to care for the child, the bill would offer at least some recourse until a decision could be made. Contrary to popular belief, not all women are exactly the brightest stewards of their bodies (that's how some end up with unintended pregnancies in the first place), and this bill may offer enough time for cooler heads to prevail while other options to abortion are explored. The sad part of this bill is that as a biological father to be, rapists would be given the same rights as the intentional and accidental fathers would be given.

If you believe abortion is the only answer to an unwanted pregnancy- than yes, this bill is a load of horse relish.

serpent_sky:How absolutely sick and demented do you have to be to not only think about how you can protect the "rights" of rapists, but to share that thought with other people? And to share that thought in a public way, so everyone in the country knows that you care concerned about the rights of goddamned rapists, people who are (I guess i have to say, should be) universally scorned criminals of one of the highest orders. How sick and sad to you have to be, as an elected official, to think this is an issue that you must speak out on, above all the other things that you could? ( A suggestion: speaking out AGAINST RAPE would be a good idea... just saying.)

Paul Ryan and his ilk are not fit to be elected county dog catcher, never mind to hold the offices they have been elected to. They are sick, sad, demented people who I genuinely believe to be sociopaths.

I honestly cannot wrap my brain around how anyone, anywhere, could come out with stances that are pro-rape or defend rapists in any way, shape or form. How the flying fark did this ever become the norm for the GOP?

I have nothing to add, as you summed it up perfectly. It's like we've gone back in time a couple thousand years. What the actual fark is up with the CONSTANT rape talk? You know, if they were constantly talking about homosexuality like this, I'd think they were closet cases. Maybe they have rape on the mind. A lot.