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Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

Originally Posted by justabubba

i certainly would
it's freedom of expression that is being denied
doesn't matter what is being expressed

now, if that person distributing those pamphlets compelled his subordinate employees to read them and/or discuss them, such that theirs was not a voluntary act, then that person would have intruded on their rights

but i have yet to see anyone express within this thread what that chief did to warrant termination from his career position

if anyone abused their authority, it would be those officials who have strong pro LBGT leanings who railroaded this man only because of their own personally held views about sexual orientation

I think its a matter of interpretation. I see a manager distributing such literature to his subordinates as creating an implicit command to read the material. That is precisely where I see the issue.

Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

Handing out religious materials to subordinates in a public position, on the job.

yes, giving a bible to a co-worker at Christmas time when gift exchanges are common
terminate that violating employee for daring to bring and disburse religious thought into the work place

just as we would not think of terminating that co-worker, neither should this chief be fired
he offered a gift. a compilation of his personal thoughts and beliefs. and gave that publication to his friends at work
they could have placed it in file 13. used it to fuel the fireplace. lined the parrot cage with its pages. or they could have CHOSEN to read it. maybe even learn what an insufferable dick he is based on his moral positions ... much as i think about quite a few of our fellow forum members after reading their screed. but nothing about reading his book, or even keeping his book, was compulsory. he did nothing wrong by his actions

now, i DO believe his views - many of them anyway - are wrong. he shows little tolerance himself, which probably explains why so little tolerance is now being extended to him. but our laws are tolerant. and they allow for free expression. i do not want my thoughts to be chilled in the work place because such a wrongful termination can proceed

and even tho bob blaylock and i are aligned in our objection to this wrongful termination, please recognize that we do NOT oppose it for the same reasons! i find his wanting to retain the chief because he has such hardline religious viewpoints to be the most stupid defense of the man that could possibly be conceived

we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it ​

Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

How about an agreement signed by the employee. And BTW, there are state HR regulations as well just as there are industry specific HR regulations.

Agent J didn't mention anything about an employment agreement. Here's what he said:

if i go to work tomorrow and give some co workers copies of a book I wrote and in the book it says that i hate a gender, race, religion etc or that i think women, blacks or christians are vile dirty people guess what . . . . im getting fired LMAO

Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. ~W.C. Fields

Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

Originally Posted by AGENT J

first nobody was fired for soley "writing a book" or stating "views people disagree with" thats just dishonesty

and if so id say your company sucks and needs to have its HR department seriously revamp before your company is sued for violating laws and rights. Im also a manager and this is the second time I also do recruiting and have had to do some low level HR being a manager.

its not "views one disagrees with" or a "book" that was written nobody educated and objective would take that claim seriously

in fact a friend of mine was fired because he made some joke about me that got out (it was a top ten list) and it was taken to HR by a third party that didnt know they were friendly jokes. I defended him and he was fired anyway because HR said its to much of a liability, while "i" wasn't directly insulted, it was done at work, others could be offended and that creates a hostile work place for them.

so far based on the INFO WE HAVE, its a direct insults of coworkers and thier own religions, sexual orientations etc which can get someone easily fired for insulting coworkers, verbal assault, verbal discrimination, creating a hostile work environment, employee conduct etc

are you honestly telling me if i work for your company and come in to work and tell people all fags are dirty sinners and should burn in hell nothing happens? or better yet I hate all jews and all niggers are dirty nothing will happen because im just "expressing a view others disagree with?"

please stop, unless theres new info that the mayor lied your rewording of what actually happened is not true.

This was your post:

if i go to work tomorrow and give some co workers copies of a book I wrote and in the book it says that i hate a gender, race, religion etc or that i think women, blacks or christians are vile dirty people guess what . . . . im getting fired LMAO

Please cite the HR rule that would enable your employer to fire you for giving your coworkers a copy of a book you wrote that disparages someone.

Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. ~W.C. Fields

Re: Atlanta Ousts Fire Chief Who Has Antigay Views

Originally Posted by tacomancer

I used the phrase scary gay muslims, thats pretty obviously sarcasm.

there is no such thing as obvious sarcasm on the internet
many of us have a form of autism when reading which inhibits our grasping of it
i experience it in real life too, when i fail to pick up on things that are obvious clues to others, maybe because i read everything literally
if i were a woman i would have been a blonde ... probably gonna get in trouble for that commentwas that sarcasm.jpg

we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it ​