I got the .35 Whelen at Academy last Thursday, filled it up with the Remington Core Lockss (not soft points), and once I got it sighted in it was grouping between 2-4" max just kneeling of a saw horse.

I like the 4570 for a brush gun, but any shot over 100 yards bullet drop is going to kill you. I may be using the 35 all year instead of my jamomatic, it's a smooth shooter.

I want to use H&R shotgunfor some reason. Maybe just to be different. But they are not legal. Don't know why, it's not an advantage. There's a cool Tracker II Slug Gun that comes with sights! 12 or 20 ga.