Creating exceptions for the Knicks is just helping divisional rivals. We have enough movable pieces + amnesty if we need to make a move. I donít think we see a sign and trade here that clearly helps the Knicks who are in a very uncertain position in our tight division

we are on pace to be truly relevant within 3 years...which should be just enough time for the Knicks to implode

I asked Coon a question a month back about trading for a player like Gay with little contract going out and the effect on the exceptions. He said they would be kept if the salary cap space is used to facilitate a trade.

So the Raptors could trade for Lowry, then trade for Fields, and have their exceptions left.

Gray could be resigned with his rights and Bayless too.

But to get the cap space we have a pile of renouncing to do basically our own FA's and the TPE. If I am following this discussion correctly.

Raps could sign Fields in a S&T using TPE after all other business is done.

That would allow the Raptors to use the cap space they currently have in another trade whereby they could take back up to $6.75M ($11M minus difference in Lowry/Forbes contract). They would also have MLE at disposal and would not have to renounce any players.

This is off the top of my head - if anything is wrong, let me know!

To make an offer to an UFA we have to be able to give him the salary. I don't think it could be on a condition that the NYK agree to a sign and Trade

Creating exceptions for the Knicks is just helping divisional rivals. We have enough movable pieces + amnesty if we need to make a move. I donít think we see a sign and trade here that clearly helps the Knicks who are in a very uncertain position in our tight division

Giving NY a 2nd round pick in a weak draft and a $3.15M TPE is worth it, for the Raps to keep their $5M MLE and $7.6M TPE. We could gain a lot more with what we gain, than NY would likely get with what they gain from the deal. BC just has to pitch it as something VS nothing for NY.

To make an offer to an UFA we have to be able to give him the salary. I don't think it could be on a condition that the NYK agree to a sign and Trade

Renounce cap-holds (other than JV), then tell NY to either do S&T or we sign him outright. If they agree, it's done immediately on call with league, so it's not something they can go back on. Toronto would lose rights to Bayless, but keep MLE and TPE.

To make an offer to an UFA we have to be able to give him the salary. I don't think it could be on a condition that the NYK agree to a sign and Trade

jbml wrote:

But to get the cap space we have a pile of renouncing to do basically our own FA's and the TPE. If I am following this discussion correctly.

I think you are correct on this with the exception of he is a RFA.

To make the offer, the Raps must have the cap space. However, if NY signs him to the deal ($6.3M per season, forget poison pill, or $6.05, $6.32, $6.1 - 3 years/$18.97M) and sends him to Toronto, then we are all good.

Renounce cap-holds (other than JV), then tell NY to either do S&T or we sign him outright. If they agree, it's done immediately on call with league, so it's not something they can go back on. Toronto would lose rights to Bayless, but keep MLE and TPE.

I see your point, but I am still stuck that we have to relinquish the TPE as well as the Cap holds to get to the point where we can get both Lowry and Fields

To make the offer, the Raps must have the cap space. However, if NY signs him to the deal ($6.3M per season, forget poison pill, or $6.05, $6.32, $6.1 - 3 years/$18.97M) and sends him to Toronto, then we are all good.

I meant RFA thanks

But we would still require Cap space or the TPE, in which case I do not think we are gaining anything

I see your point, but I am still stuck that we have to relinquish the TPE as well as the Cap holds to get to the point where we can get both Lowry and Fields

You don't have to renounce the TPE, because it's not a cap-hold like RFAs. The TPE can't even be used until the team is over the cap, but they have to get to the cap via trades, not through free agent signings.

I think you are getting stuck because you're adding the $7.6M value of the TPE to the total cap-holds/team salary, which you don't need to do. If you look at the list of cap-holds on shamsports.com, you'll notice that the TPE isn't included in any calculations. A TPE's greatest benefit is enabling a team to add salary beyond the cap.

These numbers put the Raps at committed salary at $53.213M. This means the Raps are $169k away from having the MLE. Seems to me they should totally renounce Weems - unless the numbers are not right - as that would remove his cap hold and give them the MLE.

Trade for Lowry and Raps are at $57.463M.

I think the MLE and TPE are both gone UNLESS Gray's rights are kept and he is signed with half the MLE leaving the other half ($2.5M) available. If MLE and TPE are both gone, room exception is what signs Gray.

These numbers put the Raps at committed salary at $53.213M. This means the Raps are $169k away from having the MLE. Seems to me they should totally renounce Weems - unless the numbers are not right - as that would remove his cap hold and give them the MLE.

Trade for Lowry and Raps are at $57.463M.

I think the MLE and TPE are both gone UNLESS Gray's rights are kept and he is signed with half the MLE leaving the other half ($2.5M) available. If MLE and TPE are both gone, room exception is what signs Gray.