"The US court judgment issued Dec 2011 (Havlish v Iran) which blames the Iran government for the 9/11 attacks is part of the propaganda ploy, which consists of demonizing the Islamic Republic of Iran...

It was announced after the NATO-Qa'eda joint invasion and takeover of Libya that Gadaffi was collaborating with the American CIA in torturing prisoners. Gadafi was apparently a partner in the phony war on terror. I think the former Gadaffi realized too late that it is a phony war, and that it was really Al-CIA'da attempting to assassinate him in the late 2000's.

Who is Jose Rodriguez? He is the criminal who ran the CIA torture program. Most of his victims were not terrorists or even insurgents. Most were hapless individuals kidnapped by warlords and sold to the Americans as "terrorists" for the bounty paid.

If Rodriguez's identity was previously a secret, it is no more. He has been on CBS "60 Minutes" taking credit for torturing Muslims and using the information allegedly gained to kill leaders of al Qaeda. If terrorists were really the problem that Homeland Security, the FBI and CIA claim, Rodriguez's name would be a struck through item on the terrorists' hit list. He would be in his grave.

"Al-Qa'eda" apparently uninterested in gaining revenge on numerous NeoCon crusader terrorists and most of them sitting ducks, which would be unlike their repeated attempts to off Fidel who they tried to murder more than 600 times since the 1950's. But Al-CIA'da did succeed with Gadafi and a number of others, yes they did. So they are not total incompetents in the end.

I came to the 9/11 truth movement really late (like late last year). Hey, I was busy living my life, what can I say?

I am one of those people who likes to check out the nitty gritty details of things/events but also keep the big picture clearly in mind with everything, not just 9/11.

What I would like to know is who is coordinating, or trying to coordinate, all 9/11 truther efforts? Is anyone on the planet? I haven't found anything yet on the net.

The reason I ask is the following.

There are reams of information, videos etc. on the net today with details of alternate conspiracy theories and what not. Some is junk of course, but there are enough pieces or info that seem like solid evidence showing the 'official 9/11 story' is not accurate.

There are 9/11 truthers in the U.S. Canada and all over the world. They don't all agree on what happened on Sep. 11, 2001, nor what specific evidence shows that the official version is not accurate. That really isn't important at this stage.

What is important is that something is done soon to launch another U.S. inquiry into the event, this time an impartial inquiry.

In order for this to take place I believe one or more of the following needs to take place:

1. An individual or groups needs to coordinate as many truthers/truther groups as possible so that the groups are all unified into one. Again, the members do not have to all agree on what the nitty gritty happened on 9/11.
All the members though have to agree that a new impartial U.S. inquiry on 9/11 must take place as soon as possible.

2. The biggest, most famous, influential U.S. individuals (actors/politicians/TV show hosts/authors etc. need to be recruited to speak out in favour of this new impartial U.S. inquiry. Some have, but their numbers are far too few.

3. A 'JFK style' movie needs to be made and released to rally the masses in the U.S. to demand a new impartial U.S. inquiry.

4. Rich businessmen, somewhere in this world, need to purchase an old, ready for the scrap, Boeing 767 and find a tall skyscraper somewhere in this world that can be used as a target as part of a controlled experiment.
If a building can't be found, then they should build one!
Then the plane should be flown into the evacuated building by remote control, the entire event being videotaped.

I believe that anything else that is done, short of the above; seminars, books etc. on 9/11, while noble in effort, won't be effective ultimately in bringing about a new inquiry.

What is important is that something is done soon to launch another U.S. inquiry into the event, this time an impartial inquiry.

Certain retired CIA and national intelligence officers(US cold warriors) agree and disagree. They say the 9/11 report is a joke, and that unlike the Nuremberg trials for prosecuting WW II era war criminals, any new investigation and trial should be done outside the USA in a World Court of Law.

In this case the war criminals in cosmetic US Government, DoD, and clandestine services would never allow a legitimate investigation much less incriminate themselves in anything resembling proceedings recognized by the rest of the world as being legal and legitimate. Any new legal panel and team of prosecutors has to have teeth with authority to prosecute, subpoena powers and international recognition. No more hiding evidence and guilt behind a veil of secrecy referred to as US "national security." National security just means whatever in hell they want it to mean, like medieval inquisitions of bygone times. The military inquisitions are so illegit and so laughable that they have avoided trying the lastest 9/11 "masterminds" in kangaroo courts at Guantanamo Nazi Germany style. First it was Elvis bin Laden, and now the latest patsy is Khalid Sheikh Mohammed who fought for the CIA in 1980s Afghanistan. More lies to cover-up previous fiction and so on.

"Al-Qa'eda" was created by the bipartisan war party comprised of two right wings and is responsible for the ongoing cover-up of their own conspiracy to fund and support terrorism in Central Asia, the Middle East, North Africa and beyond. The never ending global war on terror is based on lies and deception. One of their own CIA officials in Turkey said Elvis bin Laden died in 2006 while fighting another of their dirty wars, and by that time in Chechnya. They've told so many lies to the public that they are no longer capable of telling the truth. They are pathological liars and so corrupt that they are above the laws of the former United States of America.

...any new investigation and trial should be done outside the USA in a World Court of Law.

Sure, a World Court of Law trial/inquiry would be just as good, probably even better than a new U.S. inquiry, if it carried legal authority for prosecutions.

I was simply thinking of the noble efforts by several countries, Japan comes to mind, where they were trying to hold inquiries in their respective countries. Those efforts wouldn't be very effective in getting to the truth and prosecuting those who broke U.S. law.

Those efforts wouldn't be very effective in getting to the truth and prosecuting those who broke U.S. law.

There is no real U.S. Law anymore. SCO countries and the rest of world see the US as a lawless and corrupt nation since 9/11 and the decade of war crimes, Wall St bank heists etc. The oligarchs are sacking and looting Rome themselves while there is still time.

They've violated Geneva conventions and international law since Nuremberg. The world would never have known about Himmler's false flag terrorism namely the the Gleiwitz incident if it hadn't been for a war crimes tribunal outside the influence and control of Nazi Germany.

They could add 9/11 shutzstaffel copy-cat terror to a long list of war crimes perpetrated by neocons("Liberal democrats" and Republicans on the same team and who who collaborated in creating"Al-Qa'eda" and Taliban since propping-up mujahideen terror with billions of taxpayer dollars in the 1980s) who continue using false pretexts to wage a phony global war on terror.

I bought Sibel Edmonds' book a couple of weeks ago.
It's very well written and informative. I recommend it.

The interview above however is not very good.

It highlights something that most here are aware of.
You can have the most brilliant person, a person with the most damning evidence/smoking gun etc., but if they are not good speakers it all goes for naught.

Sibel is asked good questions by Abby Martin, but she doesn't answer them succinctly and on topic. She meanders here and there and loses the audience in doing so.

She is a very clever woman indeed. Sibel Edmonds and a number of courageous women very important anti-imperialists fighting for the truth today, They are fighting to reclaim noble concepts, like freedom, liberty and democracy. They fight the good fight on behalf of all of us in a war being waged against all of us.

I was just going to post that - thought that might win you over...as an aeronautical engineer for NASA 9/11 obviously didn't pass the smell test for him..hate to agree with him ever, but bully Bolton's probably right too - it'll be a SCAF-MB US Satrapy..

Dressed in a tux, Asner spoke at the press conference for the event. Even though the film's creators have been ridiculed as conspiracy theorists, Asner pointed out that large-scale deception is not without precedent. "We have been in a long and slow trajectory of government creation of crises," he proclaimed. He then referred to the Spanish-American War, the Gulf of Tonkin Incident and the Iraq War as conflicts that were based on false information.

During Asner's speech, he also questioned the integrity of the corporate media when it comes to reporting on such contentious subjects. "I know that no matter how many journalists may be out there who want to write that story... that they'll always have that editor, a whole panoply of editors, and their publisher, and the advertisers, and the whole vigilante crowd waiting to devour them," he stated, "and they'll never write another story again."

How many Americans, after all, have realized that the Twin Towers cannot possibly have collapsed, because gravity works in only one direction, down, yet they were being blown apart in every direction and converted into millions of cubic yards of very fine dust, where, when they were gone, they had been destroyed below ground level? How many are aware that Saddam Hussein, his two sons and some 60 members of his general staff were taken out by B-1 pilot Capt. Chris Wachter on 7 April 2003, just three weeks into the invasion of Iraq, which even Ed Schultz was unwilling to share with his audience? Or that Osama bin Laden actually died on or about 15 December 2001, having denied he had anything to do with 9/11, which the FBI-our own FBI!-has confirmed, yet was taken out for the second time by Seals at the behest of Barack Obama, even though David Ray Griffin, Osama bin Laden: Dead or Alive?, published a book about it in 2009, but where his "second death" is fueling the reelection campaign of our Commander-in-Chief!

She is a very clever woman indeed. Sibel Edmonds and a number of courageous women very important anti-imperialists fighting for the truth today, They are fighting to reclaim noble concepts, like freedom, liberty and democracy. They fight the good fight on behalf of all of us in a war being waged against all of us.

Speaking about clever women in this war, whistleblower Indira Singh is perhaps my favourite of them all.

Does anyone have any knowledge of where she is today or what she is up to?
Searches on the web turn up 2008-2009 as the last time she has made public statements/comments/videos etc.

I sure as heck hope she hasn't been 'eliminated'.
In the 2008-2009 time period she was talking about releasing a book soon.

"Kevin West's new film has been specifically made to mark the 7th anniversary of the 7th July, 2005 London bombings..."

NDPP, I watched that film and am left a bit puzzled by it.
Do you know why the title states the two men are dead?

It's a recent film which stars the two men. There is no mention of their deaths in the video.
It seems a rather odd bit of sensationalism (stating they are dead) simply to add affect, if they are still alive.

"Kevin West's new film has been specifically made to mark the 7th anniversary of the 7th July, 2005 London bombings..."

NDPP, I watched that film and am left a bit puzzled by it. Do you know why the title states the two men are dead? It's a recent film which stars the two men. There is no mention of their deaths in the video. It seems a rather odd bit of sensationalism (stating they are dead) simply to add affect, if they are still alive. A bit creepy too, wouldn't you say? Do you know the scoop on it?

NDPP

The title I think is a nod to British dramatist Tom Stoppard's play/movie 'Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are Dead'. Rosencrantz continuously flips a coin which always comes up heads, causing Guildenstern to conclude something is wrong with reality...In the play they try to discover the truth of what is actually going on with events surrounding Hamlet. As well of course there is the reality that people associated with 7/7 have turned up dead and a bit of cheeky black humour is played with here as well. That's what I make of it anyway noops...

The official story of 9/11 is a complex web of lies designed to overwhelm us. To find the truth, we have to be willing to take that story apart until there is nothing left. The sooner we get together and start, the better.

'Osama was chosen on aesthetic grounds to be the frightening logo for our long-contemplated invasion and conquest of Afghanistan ... [because] the administration is convinced that Americans are so simple-minded that they can deal with no scenario more complex than the venerable, lone, crazed killer (this time with zombie helpers) who does evil just for the fun of it 'cause he hates us because we're rich 'n free 'n he's not.' Vidal also attacks the American media's failure to discuss 11 September and its consequences: 'Apparently, "conspiracy stuff" is now shorthand for unspeakable truth.'

The irrepressible Gore Vidal on American conspiracies and articles of faith.

FBI admits no proof of the identity of any of the 19 alleged hijackers - some of whom are alive and well. No proof that Usama bin Laden was linked to 9/11, and he originally denied any and all involvement. For several years after the world was treated to a series of faked video footage and photos alleged to be Usama bin Laden "confessing" to having orchestrated the whole thing. Then came Khalid Sheikh Mohammed's tortured confessions inadmissible in all legitimate courts of law.

In fact, there is not much proof of anything that occurred on 9/11/01. Official conspiracy theorists religiously accept the George W. Bush government's official fairy tale as an article of faith.

Their's is not to question why only to trust and obey. For them it is the only way.

The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not wantHe makes me down to lieThrough pastures green he leadeth me the silent waters byWith bright knives he releaseth my soulHe maketh me to hang on hooks in high placesHe converteth me to lamb cutletsFor lo,m he hath great power and great hungerWhen cometh the day we lowly onesThrough quiet reflection and great dedicationMaster the art of karateLo, we shall rise upAnd then we'll make the bugger's eyes water.

Understanding the interrelationships between CIA and the banking and brokerage world is critical to grasping the already frightening implications of the above revelations. Let's look at the history of CIA, Wall Street and the big banks by looking at some of the key players in CIA's history. Clark Clifford - The National Security Act of 1947 was written by Clark Clifford, a Democratic Party powerhouse, former Secretary of Defense, and one-time advisor to President Harry Truman. In the 1980s, as Chairman of First American Bancshares, Clifford was instrumental in getting the corrupt CIA drug bank BCCI a license to operate on American shores. His profession: Wall Street lawyer and banker.

John Foster and Allen Dulles - These two brothers "designed" the CIA for Clifford. Both were active in intelligence operations during WW II. Allen Dulles was the U.S. Ambassador to Switzerland where he met frequently with Nazi leaders and looked after U.S. investments in Germany. John Foster went on to become Secretary of State under Dwight Eisenhower and Allen went on to serve as CIA Director under Eisenhower and was later fired by JFK. Their professions: partners in the most powerful - to this day - Wall Street law firm of Sullivan, Cromwell.

Ah yes, the Dulles bros again. They worked hand-in-hand to create Latin America's killing fields. Two faces of evil.

So if the government's use of torture and "enhanced interrogation" is over, what's the harm to national security if they are discussed? Particularly in a death penalty case such as this one, mistreatment of the defendants by the U.S. government would normally be considered a "mitigating circumstance" and therefore relevant to whether, if found guilty, they should be executed.

The U.S. Military Government is not afraid of the world knowing about U.S. torture programs. U.S. Military Government-sponsored torture is not a new theme and certainly not since just 9/11/2001.

The U.S. Military Government is, according to some on the left, afraid that the accused will state to the world why they perpetrated terrorism on 9/11 and specifically as an act of revenge for U.S.-Israeli oppression of Palestinians. And none of this is the truth.

The truth is that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed fought for the CIA in 1980's Afghanistan. He was just another of their mercenaries for hire and was trained in the art of guerilla warfare and sabotage, and to resist torture for long periods of time. KSM is just their latest patsy and probably had nothing to do with planning 9/11. It's just another terrible lie.

Opponents fear the legalization of government-issued propaganda. They worry about allowing the government undue domestic influence on citizens and think BBG would shift focus and finances away from its important foreign mission.

Proponents say it will allow U.S. Government to counter "Al Qaeda" propaganda reaching Americans.

But everyone knows that Elvis bin Laden and the invisible army of darkness never existed, so they must be intending to brainwash Americans even more than they do now. God help them.

Yep, it looks like the U.S. Military dictatorship conspired to make themselves appear to be the megalomaniacal psychopaths they really are. Mad hatters will wage wars of terror at the drop of a hat. The strategy of tension is still on their tiny minds, we can be sure.

"Dr Steve Pieczenik, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State in three administrations, who earned his Ph.D, at MIT, has revealed that he has been told by a high-ranking general - whom I believe to have been Gen. Richard Myers - that 9/11 was a 'false flag' attack, which was done by the government in order to arouse the American people to support wars of aggression in Afghanistan and Iraq. On Alex Jones he has now asserted that Israel is going to attack Iran on Yom Kippur, which begins on Tuesday, 25 September, 2012.."

Abby Martin talks to the Editor of Boiling Frogs Post and Founder of the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition, Sibel Edmonds, about her story as a whistleblower and the erosion of civil liberties in a post 9/11 America.

Abby Martin talks to the Editor of Boiling Frogs Post and Founder of the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition, Sibel Edmonds, about her story as a whistleblower and the erosion of civil liberties in a post 9/11 America.

Obama's message to whistleblowers: Blow whistles on our increasingly secretive and murderous military regime and suffer the consequences!

Damn right it was an inside job. And the motive is the same as it is for any murder investigation: billion-dollar corporate profits that are ongoing today. They've been shovelling hundreds of billions of dollars in taxpayer spending every year to about 8000 private military contractors since the 1950's.

Truman said to the Joint Chiefs of Staff after the war, Let's just stay armed all of the time. And it's been one long military dictatorship ever since the signing of the National Security Act.

Proceedings at Guantanamo's maximum-security court are broadcast over closed-circuit television to journalists observing from an adjacent room. Additional reporters monitor the feed from a nearby media center, and at Fort Meade, Md.

A red light resembling a police emergency beacon goes off in the courtroom when the censorship button has been activated. A court security officer positioned next to the judge has the ability to dump the feed if anything secret arises. That officer didn't activate the censorship button on Monday.

Defense attorneys said they didn't previously know that someone outside the courtroom could cut off the feed.

"I would like to know who has the permission to turn that light on and off, who is listening to this, who is controlling these proceedings, or controlling that aspect of these proceedings," Nevin said.

To those who can't be bothered with the facts surrounding 9/11, here's your conspiracy theory.

All I see are a series ads for Lexus cars. Watched it last night, tho, and they included one interesting fact only to lend credibility to the documentary.

The CBC maintained their own credibility somewhat by telling us what the good people of Pakistan said about this fiasco. The good people of Pakistan have asked why Saddam Hussein received "a fair trial" over three years followed by a widely publicized execution while Elvis bin Laden, the alleged mastermind of a string of Gladio orchestrated acts of terror around the world, was worth only a mythical burial at sea?

Total bullshit. The CIA and Joint Chiefs are all pathological liars with much to protect on behalf of 8000+ private military contractors draining U.S. taxpayers for a trillion dollars every year. It's Keynesian-militarism that drives them to write these ridiculous fictions. All they have to do is fool some gullible, phony majority of U.S. voters every four years. They obviously don't care what the rest of the thinking public presumes to be the truth.

Elvis bin Laden probably died years before the CIA's mind fuck story about killing an alleged leader of an invisible army of darkness.

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And so we ask babblers and mods to let's try and keep CIA based conspiracy theories and other U.S. Military government fairy tales from littering babble's distinguished truth threads. Please, for the sake of 9/11 truth, let's not have any more insanely anti-Semitic, anti-Muslim propaganda in these threads which should be maintained as sanctuary for critical analysis of facts concerning the phony global war on terror and its ersatz genesis fable stemming from the events of 9/11/01.

And so we ask babblers and mods to let's try and keep CIA based conspiracy theories and other U.S. Military government fairy tales from littering babble's distinguished truth threads. Please, for the sake of 9/11 truth, let's not have any more insanely anti-Semitic, anti-Muslim propaganda in these threads which should be maintained as sanctuary for critical analysis of facts concerning the phony global war on terror and its ersatz genesis fable stemming from the events of 9/11/01.

">the record, nowhere on the FBI's wanted poster does it say bin Laden was wanted for orchestrating 9/11. What followed in the years since 9/11 was a propaganda campaign waged by western news media not seen since the cold war era which ended with the CIA-backed Mujahideen and, later, the U.S.-backed Taliban taking over Afghanistan.