Not exactly Copenhagen weather, but not beach weather, either. It would seem the pagan rites at the opening of the conference may have backfired: “Christiana Figueres…invoked the ancient jaguar goddess Ixchel…noting that Ixchel was… “the goddess of reason, creativity and weaving…”

I don’t know why the delegates at Cancun are talking of spending billions on dealing with global warming when there is a much cheaper solution – just clone Al Gore and send the clowns (sorry I meant clones) to different parts of the globe!

Hmmmm!! And this man won a Nobel Prize? I wonder if he is still having his $3,000 home electric bill with all the lights on nowadays.

Had enough of corrupt politicians & climate nuts then you’ll need to read a new book just out about Americans who actually take a stand against tyranny. Great thriller about today’s events & about each of us taking a stand. I recommend it.

@R.S.Brown
Only two weeks? We’ve had below average temps for at least a month now here in the Netherlands. At last the temperatures are coming up below freezing for the days to come now but after the weekend the snow and freezing will continue. Normal temps for this time of year is about 6 C.

I have to disagree with you, about it being inconvenient for COP16. It is completely irrelevant to COP16. COP16 is not about temperatures, and it certainly isn’t about cold temperatures. It is about hot temperatures – a totally different subject.

There is a Wikipedia page devoted specifically to the “Gore Effect” used in two broad and contradictory meanings. The first meaning is as inferred here. The second refers to the general uptick in acceptance/support of/etc. AGW among the public as a result of the work of Al Gore and particularly as a result of his movie.
The thinly covered bias of the page is generally affirming and supportive of the latter and dismissive and hostile to uses related to the former. This latter hostility takes the form of suggestive deficiencies of the users of the term and dismissive quotes from those whom the reader is supposed to understand as both authoritative and correct. It is also stated that anyone who might take the phenomenon seriously is guilt of falling vicim to either the availability heuristic or the confirmation bias.

I don’t suggest that there actually is a scientifically deterministic linkage between the presence of Al Gore or other prominent AGW proponents at AGW events or speeches propounding AGW and cold/harsh weather events, but just for giggles, how hard would it be for us to develop a reasonably exhaustive list of such events and related weather at those events?

Does anyone have available a fairly exhaustive list of major AGW events and/or Al Gore appearances related to AGW that might serve as a basis? If we could generate a list of such events and demonstrate that a statistically significant fraction showed unseasonably cold/harsh weather at that time/place I would love to place it on the Wiki page to stir the pot.

The power hungry tyrants learnt from Copenhagen. They realized that they have a far better chance of success by underselling the expectations and sliding in long impenetrable documents in front of underling bureaucrats. Due to the importance of this I have reproduced Christopher Monckton’s words in full as reported at SPPI (see below).

The UN wants nothing less than 1.5% of our GDP.

That’s $212 billion from the USA every year ($2700 per family of 4).

That’s $32 billion from the UK every year ($2000 per family of 4).

That’s $13 billion from Australia every year ($2400 per family of 4).

Figures calculated from the CIA world Factbook

The Secretariat will have the power not merely to invite nation states to perform their obligations under the climate-change Convention, but to compel them to do so. Nation states are to be ordered to collect, compile and submit vast quantities of information, in a manner and form to be specified by the secretariat and its growing army of subsidiary bodies.

I don’t know why the delegates at Cancun are talking of spending billions on dealing with global warming when there is a much cheaper solution – just clone Al Gore and send the clowns (sorry I meant clones) to different parts of the globe!
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Roy, here is a much simpler and cheaper solution.
It’s thermometers….

Where there are thermometers, it’s cooler.
Where there are no thermometers, it’s hotter.

Thanks for the French news. On sites such as WUWT we get a very clear picture of the public’s mood in the English-speaking world. But what of France? Is it a hot topic of conversation? Are warmists or sceptics in the ascendent? Is AGW considered a real threat or a wacko scare story?

Five years ago I explained to German colleagues that we Brits were putting the finishing touches to our Swine Flu reaction plan, working on the assumption that 30% of the population would be wiped out. They thought I was pulling their leg; Germany was not expecting a Great Plague. Do the French see Global Warming as a uniquely Anglo Saxon panic?

s’funny how temps in Mexico are also at a low – the same as the UK. You’s thing a few thousand miles would make some difference!
Currently, our local station is showing december Average temp as more than 6 degrees C BELOW average. (but thats only based on 8 yrs data) – interestingly – November was supposed to be 5 degrees below average too! Of course, these figures are only real unadulterated ‘local’ figures (this is a local weather station for local people – UK readers will understand! – for others – google League of Gentlemen! LOL), so anyway, I will watch with interest to see how the metoffice and CRU spin this one away over the next few weeks!

So there’s this little global warming alarmist and he goes to his dad and says “Dad, am I a global warming alarmist?”. His dad says “Of course you are, what kind of a daft question is that?” and cuffs the little global warming alarmist, so he won’t ask stupid questions.
Oh dear thinks the little global warming alarmist. I don’t think a’ll ask any more questions here and goes to find his mother.
“Mum” he asks “Am I a global warming alarmist?”. “Well of course you are dear” says his mother “Whatever makes you think you’re not?”. “Well” says the little global warming alarmist “It’s just that I’m bloody freezing”.

They, (the delegates), must feel they are being left out in the cold.
They, are being shunned by the successful economies of the world, which enable their presence.
They, who willfully forego their freedom.

I just wish they’d have this stuff during the N.H. summer, that way the global cooling weather would be welcomed. Do they realize how cold the rest of us have to be for it to get down to 50 in Cancun this time of year?

Records for Cancun only appear to go back to 1974 then get spotty. For instance if you change the date to Dec. 8th, 1973 there is no data. There’s some data for November 1973 but I didn’t find any before that.

John says:
December 9, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Misquoting or ridiculing Al Gore does not help in your case against AGW. You lose credibility every time you do it.
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John, if that were true, then the proponents of AGW would have been discredited
a long time ago.
Besides, he’s the one that made it so easy to do……….

John says:
December 9, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Misquoting or ridiculing Al Gore does not help in your case against AGW. You lose credibility every time you do it.
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You say we have credibility, who knew.

“Global Warming”Oh No… temperatures are dropping all over.. Well let’s call it “Global Cooling” Yeah but what are we going to do if it starts warming again? Well let’s call it “Climate Change” that will cover all bases… The moronic population in the whole world will go for it. Let’s continue blaming the CO2 because Wall Street demands more money for trading CO2 credits. By the way where is our next vacation / convention to discuss this will be?

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A lot of money and political power has been invested in so call “global warming”or “climate change” that if the general population sees this as a lie and a hoax, many well-known institutions of government and media will likely collapse from the scandal. The establishment is desperate fighting for its life. And we should expect them to take any and all desperation measures to prolong and preserve their status.

The Russians are also questioning the validity of the data.
CRU studies disregarded hundreds of Siberian samples trees and concentrated on one tree YADO61 “the most influential tree in the world” seemed to show a “hockey stick” pattern which is exactly what the researcher wanted. The rest of the trees showing a different pattern, Oh Well.

Opponents of the petition project sometimes submit forged signatures in efforts to discredit the project. Usually, these efforts are eliminated by our verification procedures. On one occasion, a forged signature appeared briefly on the signatory list. It was removed as soon as discovered.

http://www.petitionproject.org/frequently_asked_questions.php
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The whole world needs to start preparing for years of very cold weather. This is a normal weather cycle. Let us stop the stupidity of Global Warming and start preparing for this real emergency. Cold weather is going to affect food production and that is going to create famine in some parts of the world. We need to start planning for this and our government officials are not helping at all.

The Russians are also questioning the validity of the data.
CRU studies disregarded hundreds of Siberian samples trees and concentrated on one tree YADO61 “the most influential tree in the world” seemed to show a “hockey stick” pattern which is exactly what the researcher wanted. The rest of the trees showing a different pattern, Oh Well.

Opponents of the petition project sometimes submit forged signatures in efforts to discredit the project. Usually, these efforts are eliminated by our verification procedures. On one occasion, a forged signature appeared briefly on the signatory list. It was removed as soon as discovered.

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The whole world needs to start preparing for years of very cold weather. This is a normal weather cycle. Let us stop the stupidity of Global Warming and start preparing for this real emergency. Cold weather is going to affect food production and that is going to create famine in some parts of the world. We need to start planning for this and our government officials are not helping at all.

Meanwhile, NPR’s “Marketplace” ran a story this evening on another Mayan village which has been having trouble with its maize crop the last decade or so, because of drought. Obviously that was because of global “climate change.” Sample:

What the scientists do know, with confidence, is that global temperatures are already rising. Heat wilts plants, and it warms the atmosphere, which then sucks more water out of the soil. And — we’ll spare you the details — the experts think drought-prone areas like this will likely get more drought-prone. . .

“Everywhere you go,
always take the weather
everywhere you go
always take the weather
everywhere you go
always take the weather, take the weather, take the weather with you”.
Ah, Split Enz, a band way ahead of their time.

“Records for Cancun only appear to go back to 1974 then get spotty. For instance if you change the date to Dec. 8th, 1973 there is no data. There’s some data for November 1973 but I didn’t find any before that.”

John says:
December 9, 2010 at 4:42 pm
Misquoting or ridiculing Al Gore does not help in your case against AGW. You lose credibility every time you do it.

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I think the fact that he was made the poster-child for the agw movement is what gives insults against him so much fuel. He won an Oscar and a Nobel prize for his trashy movie and trashy science. He deserves every ounce of insult that is hurled at him. He attempted to become a billionaire at everyone’s expense as well. You know what history will say about Al Gore: He will be the picture of the village idiot in future dictionaries. Everyone will think Al Gore when someone mentions a village idiot.

Its too bad that some Tn town lost their idiot…we would all be better off if he had stayed in one town his entire life.

Since we’re all so comfortably settled in the “weather not climate” department. and since we should always check everything both ways, would someone like to check the accuracy of this item (apart from the fact that it has jumped the gun by appearing before the end of 2010):http://climatesignals.org/2010/11/2010-records-most-national-extreme-heat-records-ever/2010 records most national extreme heat records ever
The year 2010 now has the most national extreme heat records for a single year–nineteen. These nations comprise 20% of the total land area of Earth. This is the largest area of Earth’s surface to experience all-time record high temperatures in any single year in the historical record.
No nations set record for their coldest temperature in history in 2010

[/snip]
Apart from the fact the you’re always saying that weather isn’t climate, you’re attacking a straw man. Who ever claimed that a trend towards average warming would mean that it would be +.x everywhere on the planet at all times? There are also these things called seasons which have effects which are several magnitudes greater than any current warming effect. Weather and climate are chaotic systems. It’s equally plausible that AGW would result in extremes of temperature depending on when and where you are.

[I am certain you will agree that your first sentence was not part of nor conducive to intelligent discourse….. bl57~mod]

The Gore effect seems to spreading and is touching most of the globe. It is apt at this point in time, for the past six months the reports of the warmest year ever have been shrill and often. This seems to be fading as the population the world over has seen a profound reversal of all the alarmist predictions. In Oz we have or own Gore called Tim Flannery, whom almost single handed convinced our less than intelligent state governments that normal rain fall is a thing of the past and they borrowed and spent billions on pipe lines and desal plants, they are now mothballing one that was just finished and the mother of huge plants in my state was built on a flood plain and for six months has been rather unfit for construction.

Most of the population are brain washed by the MSM to AGW but the Gore/Flannery Effect carried on for much longer will force even our entrenched media to recant or at least shut up. The mood of the populace is changing as seen by surveys the Agw thing is fading. It is now the politicians that are the main useful idiots and emails with facts and displeasures in quantity can go a long way.

No, you got it all backwards. Obviously, Gaia is extremely pleased with these gatherings to battle AGW, and rewards their zeal by lowering temps a little. If we can just have more such conferences, AGW will eventually be defeated, even if they never come up with any other effective migitation!

There are also these things called seasons which have effects which are several magnitudes greater than any current warming effect. Weather and climate are chaotic systems. It’s equally plausible that AGW would result in extremes of temperature depending on when and where you are.

There are daily swings in temperature in almost all places on the planet that dwarf all and any sign of AGW. The ability to measure properly and accurately over the globe, through the depth of the atmosphere is way beyond us. And yet, less than one degree of warming over 100 years has apparently been measured, despite the daily 10 to 20 degree swings, and even larger annual swings.

Yes, they are chaotic systems. Could that be the reason for all these highs and lows? Nothing to do with a tiny amount of CO2?

It is equally plausible that chaos is the reason for these swings, and even these recent increases, in temperature, and it looks like they have stopped increasing now, backing up that reason.

It is equally plausible that instrument differences are the cause of any temperature increases last century.

It is equally plausible that UHI is the cause of any temperature increases last century.

None of these are funny. Global Warming Delegates freezing their knackers off at 10 degrees in the tropics is priceless, however.

dear moderator, I have no problem with you removing it, mostly because it was a false dichotomy. however, ad hominem posts are de rigueur on this site, but because the targets are not posters, they are not moderated out.

“Nothing to do with a tiny amount of CO2?”
They tiny amount of CO2 as a proportion of the atmosphere is largely irrelevant. The amount of CFCs that caused a hole in the ozone layer was also small. You also state that:

1. “It is equally plausible that chaos is the reason for these swings, and even these recent increases, in temperature, and it looks like they have stopped increasing now, backing up that reason.

2. “It is equally plausible that instrument differences are the cause of any temperature increases last century.”

3. “It is equally plausible that UHI is the cause of any temperature increases last century.”

So how do you reconcile 1, 2 and 3. The average temperature either is or is not rising. If it’s stopped rising as you suggest then has UHI stopped and we’ve gone back to using the old measurement devices? You can’t have your cake and eat it too.

Here in Scotland, temperatures are back to normal for a few days before the freeze resumes.
Flooding, from snow-melt, is taking place. Nothing of surprise there.
The BBC, still managed to spin the message.
“Temperatures are,in many places, 20 degrees (C) higher than last week”
Forget the record lows. Look at the anomaly! We’re all going to fry.

Dave Springer says:
December 9, 2010 at 4:54 pm
“Records for Cancun only appear to go back to 1974 then get spotty. For instance if you change the date to Dec. 8th, 1973 there is no data. There’s some data for November 1973 but I didn’t find any before that.”

What dates does GISTEMP use for their average? And what was [CO2] in 1974?

Tim Neilson says:
December 9, 2010 at 6:30 pm
“Everywhere you go,
always take the weather
everywhere you go
always take the weather
everywhere you go
always take the weather, take the weather, take the weather with you”.
Ah, Split Enz, a band way ahead of their time.

One cold set of storms don’t make a climate. The desert southwest has been posting record highs for over a decade. So far this fall, Denver has had the driest and warmest Nov and so far, Dec, that many can remember. The first snowfall was one month later than usual. Weather patterns are changing. This is a FACT as evidenced by the record highs and lows being recorded all over the world.

Paul – “One cold set of storms don’t make a climate“. True. But what happens in Denver doesn’t make a climate either. If you want to claim that “Weather patterns are changing” is a “FACT“, it would be very helpful and save us all a lot of time if you could first substantiate it. Please can you check back through all available data (not a selected period or place) and demonstrate that the “record highs and lows being recorded all over the world” are historically unusual. You might also be asked by some here to explain in what way weather patterns are indeed something to do with climate, but I’ll accept that in the current context.

Mike Jonas has thrown down the gauntlet by invoking the climate null hypothesis: show us how the current climate exceeds the parameters of the climate during the Holocene.

As a matter of fact, today’s climate [and temperature] is extremely benign. There is nothing unusual happening. That being the case, all the hyperbole about climate catastrophe amounts to nothing but baseless arm-waving. Money is the motive for the scare, as everyone can see from the profligate consumption of the self-serving do-gooders descending on Cancun, Copenhagen and Bali.

And I hope you understand that what you’re doing is is simply expressing your opinion. That’s fine, but keep in mind that WUWT is the internet’s “best science” site, and you would be much more credible if you backed your opinion with something we can get our teeth into. Something falsifiable. Something testable.

The AGW hypothesis is failing because there’s no “there” there. You can’t quantify the extent – if any – that “carbon” causes temperature change. The lack of the scientific method is replaced by a fictitious “consensus.” That’s not science, it is only a belief system.