1.0 Opening of Meeting

1.1 Welcome from the Host

Roger Martin (Chair) called the meeting to order at 09.00am Friday January 15, 1999 at
Radisson Hotel, New Orleans, Louisiana.

1.2 Introductions & Roll Call of Technical Experts

Name

Delegation

Post

Nick Stoughton

UK

Hod

Jim Oblinger

Convener

Dave Blackwood

Canada

HoD

Lowell Johnson

US

HoD

Andrew Josey

UK/TOG

Member

Herman J. Weegenaar

Netherlands

HoD

Keld Simonsen

Denmark

Hod

Jay Ashford

US

Member/Secretary

Roger Martin

US

HoD

Bob Barned

Observer (US)

1.2.1 Verification of HoD-PASC Distribution

No real problems.

1.3 Selection of Drafting Committee

Dave Blackwood, Keld Simonsen, Nick Stoughton

1.4 Adoption of Agenda

Agenda reviewed and adopted.

1.5 Approval of Minutes

Minutes (as distributed in e1153) were approved without modification.

1.6 Action Items & National Reports

9804-01 Japan - Provide URLs and other information they would like
posted to the WG15 web page (Rolled over from 9510-08 on National Bodies and 9605-01 and
9610-01 and 9705-01 on Japan and Netherlands and 9710-01.) -- CLOSED

9804-02 Project Editor (Stephe Walli) - Call and conduct an editing
meeting to create, approve, and forward to the SC22 Secretariat, a disposition of comments
for IEEE 1003.2b (JTC1.22.41). (R 96-334) after a review by the U.S., Japan, and Denmark
Member Bodies. A proposed record of response has been received via email in WG15 N754. An editing meeting must
now be held via conference call or email. (See 9705-10.) (Rolled over from 9605-53,
9610-18, 9705-10, 9705-39 and 9710-03.) -- OPEN, editing meeting not yet
held.

9804-03 Project Editor (Keld Simonsen) - Prepare an example of an LIS
function of 9945-1 using both IDL and LID. Distribute these examples to WG15, requesting
Member Bodies to review and comment on the work. (Rolled over from 9610-52, 9705-23 and
9710-09.) Was OPEN awaiting distribution of response. -- CLOSED (see e1269)

9804-04 U.S. - Send the appropriate document corresponding to
22.21.03.02 Batch Services {2d/15a} to ITTF for publication. SC22 N2232 refers as the
ballot summary. (OPEN until receipt by ITTF is confirmed.) (Rolled over from 9705-40 and
9710-12.) -- OPEN (closure expected by end end of January 1999)

9804-06 All Member Bodies - Seek volunteers for the post of WG15
Convener, to run for three years from September 1998 at the latest. Applicants should have
sponsorship from their employers and from their National Bodies. (Rolled over from 9705-55
and 9710-15) -- CLOSED

9804-07 Netherlands  Ask Willem Wakker if he would accept
nomination as WG11 Liaison. (rolled over from 9710-26) -- CLOSED

9804-08 Netherlands, Identify where in 9945-1 and/or 9945-2
changes may needed to accommodate the new Euro currency (rolled over from 9710-28). OPEN
(on Netherlands only)  see 3.2 Euro considerations. -- CLOSED

9804-10 U.S. - Forward the appropriate draft of CD 13210 Test Methods,
when available, to the SC22 secretariat for DIS ballot. (rolled over from 9710-41) -- OPEN

9804-11 U.S. - Investigate and report on the status of 1003.18 and
make a recommendation on a possible division of work. (rolled over from 9710 44) -- CLOSED
(withdrawn by PASC, so no division of work is required)

9804-12 Convener  Request that SC22 propose a change to JTC1
rules to allow the use of fast track for amendments to base standards, Technical Reports
and ISPs. (R97-381) (rolled over from 9710-47) -- CLOSED (TRs can be fast
tracked by not ISPs)

9804-13 Denmark to address Japans concerns expressed in N759 on
the Cultural Convention Specifications. -- OPEN

9804-14 Canada and Denmark - Investigate whether resources can be
found to commence a new work item for the System Administration Overview (1387.1) project.
-- CLOSED (resources available but not sufficient for critical mass)

9804-15 US in their plans for a revision of 1003.1 to take into
account the subsetting by 1003.13, and to report back to WG15 how they propose to handle
that. -- CLOSED

9804-16 Member Bodies to respond to the subsetting proposal in PDISP
ballot to 15287-2 (aka 1003.13) and indicate whether such subsetting should be supported
in the base standard. -- CLOSED (US supports subsetting, UK supports with
conditions, Denmark support with conditions, Canada supports as an isolated case,
Netherlands supports)

9804-17 US forward draft 11 of PDAM-8 {a.k.a. 1003.1d} for PDAM ballot
at the same time as the IEEE ballot is started (in accordance with the sync plan) -- CLOSED

9804-18 Convener to prepare and forward a report on the Euro issue to
SC22. -- CLOSED

9804-21 Andrew Josey to sort e1247, e1221, e1220, e1219, e1218, e1217,
e1216, e1215, e1204, e1194, e1193, e1163, e1158, e1157 into a single record of response
and forward them to Keld to mount on the WG15 web site, and to continue doing this on an
annual basis. -- OPEN (closure expected in near future)

9804-22 All Member Bodies to identify specific issue that need to be
addressed w.r.t. work in progress and co-operative development TOG/PASC/WG15 and report
these to Roger Martin by May 31 (1998). -- CLOSED (no contributions
received)

9804-23 TOG Liaison, Jim Isaak, Keld Simonsen and Prof Saito (the
latter three as the WG15 representatives to the meeting small group) to investigate the
possibilities of colocation with TOG in January, and to check the issue of colocation with
SC22 in September 1999. -- CLOSED

9804-24 All Member Bodies to review and Comment on N768 (LIS
Techniques) by August 1. -- OPEN (comments received from all but US,
remains open for US input)

9804-26 Convener and US to suggest that material being developed for
P1494 and ISO 14766 is ready to become a draft document; and has been jointly developed.
An appropriate copyright statement needs to be developed for such drafts. -- OPEN

9804-27 Convener to call for volunteers to chair the September 1999
meeting, and to act as vice-chair of the January 1999 meeting. -- CLOSED

9804-28 Convener to convey to SC22 the desire of WG15 to continue its
work in whatever way possible, and to request SC22 to facilitate ways of involving
technical experts in these important projects (R98-401). -- CLOSED

9804-29 Convener to notify SC22 that the US development body has
ceased development on work items JTC1.22.42 and JTC1.22.43, and request that these work
items be withdrawn. (R98-390) -- CLOSED

9804-30 Convener to communicate R98-392 and R98-395 to TOG for their
information -- CLOSED

9804-31 Jim Isaak, Keld Simonsen, and Nobuo Saito to act
as representatives of WG15 to the meeting planning coordination group and report progress
as appropriate to the WG15 reflector -- CLOSED

9804-32 Keld Simonsen, Nick Stoughton, and Jim Isaak to act as
representatives of WG15 to the procedures coordination group and report progress as
appropriate to the WG15 reflector -- CLOSED

9804-33 Lowell Johnson and Keld Simonsen to act as representatives of
WG15 to the POSIX.1 revision planning coordination group and report progress as
appropriate to the WG15 reflector -- CLOSED

9804-34 Convener to recommend to SC22 that Dr Geoff Pickering is
appointed as Project Editor for New Project on User OSE Profiles (a.k.a. 1003.23) -- CLOSED
(done but overcome by events since NP not approved)

9804-35 Member bodies to continue to actively seek candidates for WG15
convener, and to report these no later than the August SC22 meeting in Copenhagen. -- CLOSED

9804-36 Member bodies to propose alternative methods for continuing
and maintaining the work of WG15 if there is no convener, and to report these at the
August SC22 meeting in Copenhagen. -- CLOSED

2.6 Editors Reports

2.7 Defect Reports/Interpretations & Corrigenda

Andrew Josey discussed the fact that only a small number of interpretation requests
have been received since the last WG15 meeting. He reported that none were particularly
significant.

3.0 Specific Actions For This Meeting

3.1 The Austin Group and the Joint Procedures Group

Roger Martin provided a little bit of background material concerning the Joint
Procedures Committee and the Austin Group (the technical group). The procedures group is
charged with developing a set of procedures for developing a standard jointly between The
Open Group (TOG), PASC, and ISO & WG15. Andrew Josey described the meetings of the
technical group. The group is only just beginning at this point. See http://www.opengroup.org/austin for further
information.

5.1 9945-3 LIS System Interface (no PASC project)

5.2 9945-2 Shell & Utilities

5.2.1 22.41 Additional Utilities (1003.2b)

Nick Stoughton reported that a Draft Disposition of Comments has been written and a new
draft will be forthcoming very soon. A new ISO ballot should happen shortly after the new
draft is published.

5.2.1 22.43 Batch Ammendment (1003.2d)

Nick Stoughtohn reported that this has been completed, but it is unclear whether or not
anyone is using it. We need to ask if this is being used to see if it really requires
renewal along with the base 1003.2 or if it should be dropped due to non-use.

5.3 15068 Administered Systems

This project has been withdrawn by PASC and by SC22. While some effort has been
expended by both Canada and Denmark to find resources and some has been found, not enough
resource exists to successfully complete the project. An action item was created to ask
other groups (notably Usenix).

5.3.1 22.21.03.03 Print Administration (no PASC project)

The sense of the group is that this project should be withdrawn at the SC22 level, just
as it has been at PASC. A resolution to that effect was drafted. See below.

5.4 9945-1 C Language Bindings

5.4.1 22.39 Additional System Services (P1003.1a)

A draft has been prepared, and is in IEEE ballot, that resolves all known international
objections. An official Disposition of Comments is yet to arrive. With that

5.4.2 22.39 Additional Real Time Extensions (P1003.1d)

Ballot resolution is progressing at present

5.4.3 22.44 Security Amendment (P1003.1e)

Deleted from the future agendas.

5.4.4 22.21.01.03.03 Protocol Independent Interfaces (P1003.1g)

No additional discussion.

5.4.5 22.21.04.01.01 Advanced Real Time Extensions (P1003.1j)

It is now waiting for a Disposition of Comments.

5.5 14519 Ada Language Bindings

It is anticipated that 1003.1f (Ada binding to 1003.21) will use ISO fast track ballot,
just as the other Ada binding documents.

IEEE Standard 1003.5c (Ada bindings to Protocol Independent Interfaces) should be ready
for ISO fast track ballot. WG15 invited the US to submit the approved standard for fast
track approval.

5.6 13210, 14515-x Test Methods

5.6.1 22.37 CD13210 Test Methods (2003R)

Jim Oblinger reported in N779/e1360 that 13210 is now ready for DIS ballot.

5.6.2 14515-1 Test Methods for 1003.1 (2003.1)

Done and deleted from future agendas.

5.6.2.1 14515-1 Test Methods for 103.1b (2003.1b)

Passed ballot in IEEE. Waiting on Disposition of Comments. Final PDAM needs to be sent
to ISO as soon as possible.

5.6.3 14515-2 Test Methods for 9945-2 (2003.2)

Done. Deleted from future agendas.

5.7 Guide For National Profiles and Locales

Denmark reported that a WG15 Ad Hoc meeting was held this week as part of the PASC
meetings. A regular meeting of the PASC working group was requested but the working group
chair never called the meeting.

N766 and N767 distributed. Substantial discussion regarding whether or not the draft
they have produced should be IEEE copyright or ISO copyright, and how the PAR should be
handled (e.g. change to IPAR). ACTION Convener and US to suggest that material being
developed for P1494 and ISO 14766 is ready to become a draft document; and has been
jointly developed. An appropriate copyright statement needs to be developed for such
drafts.

5.8 22.15287 OSE Profile Projects

5.8.1 15287-1 Supercomputing AEP (1003.10)

A Disposition of Comments is now required to complete the process.

5.8.2 15287-2 Real Time System Environment Profile (1003.13)

Comments received from The Netherlands, all of which appear to be editorial in nature.
A Disposition of Comments report will be forthcoming. This document should now be
submitted for DISP ballot for final resolution.

5.8.3 Guide for Developing User Organization OSE Profiles (1003.23)

A Division of Work for this item was disapproved. However, Technical Reports (such as
this) can be submitted for fast track. Since this is an approved IEEE standard, WG15 felt
the project should be submitted for fast track to make one further attempt at ISO
standardization.

5.9 Realtime Distrib Sys Comm LIS (P1003.21)

A resolution was approved to submit for concurrent CD Registration and Ballot.

5.10 Completed Work and Year for Revision/Reaffirmation/Withdrawal (4 yr)

Whereas WG22 PCTE has been disbanded by SC22, WG15 thanks Keld Simonsen for acting as
liaison from WG22 PCTE to WG15 and for all his valued input.

99-406 Establishment of Rapporteur Groups

Whereas the technical work to revise IS 9945-1 and IS 9945-2 is being done jointly by
The Open Group, IEEE PASC, and WG15 in a committee known as "the Austin group",
to encourage and facilitate international participation WG15 hereby establishes a
Rapporteur group for rEVising (REV) and appoints Nick Stoughton as lead rapporteur and
Keld Simonsen as alternate. This rapporteur group shall meet in conjunction with "the
Austin group" and shall complete its work upon the successful revision of 9945-1 and
9945-2.

And, whereas a joint procedures committee has been established to coordinate the
procedural implications of joint technical development of revisions to IS 9945-1 and IS
9945-2, to encourage and facilitate international participation WG15 hereby establishes a
Rapporteur group for Procedures and Coordination (RPC) and appoints David Blackwood as
lead rapporteur and Keld Simonsen as alternate. This rapporteur group shall meet in
conjunction with the "joint procedures committee" and shall continue to exist
only so long as necessary to facilitate procedural issues related to the joint development
of common standards.

Both rapporteur groups shall have a maximum of three years in which to complete their work
unless further extended by resolution of WG15.

99-407 Voting Representatives

Whereas the rapporteur groups established in 99-406 are in fact joint working groups of
The Open Group, IEEE PASC, and WG15, and whereas a voting procedure has been proposed
whereby each of those organizations has a single vote in the case of non-consensus,
therefore the lead rapporteur of each group has the responsibility of ensuring that WG15
has a voting representative present at every meeting.

99-408 Withdrawal of Project

Whereas the US development body has ceased development of P1387.4 Print Administration,
therefore WG15 requests SC22 to withdraw the corresponding work item JTC1.22.21.03.03
(15068-4). (Approved without objection)

99-409 Fasttrack of documents

WG15 invites the US to submit IEEE Std. 1003.5c to SC22 for fast-track approval as an
IS.

WG15 invites the US to submit IEEE Std. 1003.23, if and when appropriate, to SC22 for
fast-track approval as a TR.

99-410 WG15 Project Development

Whereas WG15 and IEEE PASC have agreed to joint development of the ISO 14766 (P1494)
project, therefore WG15 agrees that meetings in support of such joint development are in
fact authorized ad-hoc meetings of WG15. Said ad-hoc meetings to be chaired by David
Blackwood (Canada).

99-411 Acceptance of Invitation

WG15 thanks Canada for its invitation to meet July, 1999 in Montreal, Canada and
gratefully accepts.

99-412 Expression of Appreciation to the Host

WG15 expresses its appreciation to the U.S. Member Body, and particularly to Mr. Roger
Martin, for hosting an excellent meeting, and to the IEEE Computer Society for an
excellent and most enjoyable dinner.

Appreciations also go to Mr. Roger Martin (U.S.) for acting as Chair and to Mr. Jay
Ashford (U.S.) for acting as Secretary of the meeting and to Keld Simonsen (Denmark) for
once again supplying the LAN infrastructure.

99-413 Expression of Appreciation

WG15 expresses its appreciation to the U.K., Canadian, and Danish delegations for
supplying volunteers to the drafting committee (Nick Stoughton, David Blackwood, and Keld
Simonsen), and for their excellent and most exhaustive work in recording the resolutions
from this meeting.

99-414 Happy Birthday John Hill

Whereas once again WG15 has completed a successful meeting, despite the absence of its
former Convener (Jim Isac), therefore WG15 wishes to express congratulations to all its
participants and a very happy birthday to John Hill. (Approved)

7.2 Action Items

9901-01 Project Editor (Stephe Walli) - Call and conduct an editing
meeting to create, approve, and forward to the SC22 Secretariat, a disposition of comments
for IEEE 1003.2b (JTC1.22.41). (R 96-334) after a review by the U.S., Japan, and Denmark
Member Bodies. A proposed record of response has been received via email in WG15 N754. An editing meeting must
now be held via conference call or email. (See 9705-10.) (Rolled over from 9605-53,
9610-18, 9705-10, 9705-39, 9710-03, 9804-02) -- OPEN, editing meeting not
yet held.

9901-02 U.S. - Send the appropriate document corresponding to
22.21.03.02 Batch Services {2d/15a} to ITTF for publication. SC22 N2232 refers as the
ballot summary. (OPEN until receipt by ITTF is confirmed.) (Rolled over from 9705-40,
9710-12, 9804-04) -- OPEN (closure expected by end end of January 1999)

9901-05 U.S. -- Forward the appropriate draft of CD 13210 Test
Methods, when available, to the SC22 secretariat for DIS ballot. (rolled over from
9710-41, 9804-10) -- OPEN

9901-06 Denmark to address Japans concerns expressed in N759 on
the Cultural Convention Specifications. (rolled over from 9804-13) -- OPEN

9901-07 Andrew Josey to sort e1247, e1221, e1220, e1219, e1218, e1217,
e1216, e1215, e1204, e1194, e1193, e1163, e1158, e1157 into a single record of response
and forward them to Keld to mount on the WG15 web site, and to continue doing this on an
annual basis. (rolled over from 9804-21) -- OPEN (closure expected in
near future)

9901-08 All Member Bodies to review and Comment on N768 (LIS
Techniques) by August 1. (rolled over from 9804-24) -- OPEN (comments
received from all but US, remains open for US input)

9901-09 Convener and US to suggest that material being developed for
P1494 and ISO 14766 is ready to become a draft document; and has been jointly developed.
An appropriate copyright statement needs to be developed for such drafts. (rolled over
from 9804-26) -- OPEN

New actions arising from the New Orleans meeting:

9901-10: Denmark and Japan Member Bodies -- Provide feedback on Draft
Disposition of Comments for IEEE 1003.2b (JTC1.22.41), prior to the meeting to be called
by the Project Editor. WG15 encourages this feedback to be provided by 01 February 1999.
History: (R 96-334) after a review by the U.S., Japan, and Denmark Member Bodies. A
proposed record of response has been received via email in WG15 N754. An editing meeting must
now be held via conference call or email. (See 9705-10.) (Rolled over from 9605-53,
9610-18, 9705-10, 9705-39 and 9710-03.)

9901-11: Convener -- Ensure that Project Editing meeting is held
promptly to resolve issues on Draft Disposition of Comments for IEEE 1003.2b (JTC1.22.41).
History: (R 96-334) after a review by the U.S., Japan, and Denmark Member Bodies. A
proposed record of response has been received via email in WG15 N754. An editing meeting must
now be held via conference call or email. (See 9705-10.) (Rolled over from 9605-53,
9610-18, 9705-10, 9705-39 and 9710-03.)

9901-12: All Project Editors -- Submit current copy of their document
source to Keld Simonsen for archiving on the restricted WG15 web site. This is an archival
copy only. The Project Editors retain responsibility to manage the source of their
documents.

9901-13: Project Editor for DAM 4 to 9945-1 -- Prepare and submit
Disposition of Comments for DAM 4 to 9945-1 (P1003.1g), and submit the resulting copy of
DAM4 for Final DAM ballot. This Disposition of Comments report should include a note
stating that while a Final DAM ballot would not be required, the Project Editor recommends
that a such a ballot be conducted due to the extensive revisions required to resolve the
comments on the previous ballot.

9901-15: WG15 Liaison to WG14 -- Prepare a response to the WG14
proposal to jointly work on the registration of C and POSIX locales. See e1328.

9901-16: All Member Bodies -- Nominate candidates for membership in
the REV Rapporteur Group

9901-17: All Member Bodies -- Nominate candidates for membership in
the RPC Rapporteur Group

9901-18: All Member Bodies -- Review FCD 14651 (SC22 N2844) on
sorting, and FCD 14652 (SC22 N2869) on cultural conventions (locales), and submit comments
by 1 April 1999 to the WG20 Liaison (Keld).

9901-19: US -- Have the US development body call a meeting of the
P1494 working group for the two days immediately preceeding the next WG15 meeting that is
co-located with PASC, and reserve a room for that P1494 meeting.

9901-20: US -- Have the US development body provide electronic copies
of the current source text of P1003.18 and P1003.23, and make those electronic copies
available to the P1494 editor (Keld Simonsen) by 1 March 1999.

9901-21: UK & US -- Identify resources available to progress IEEE
Std 1003.23 as an ISO fast track, and recommend the appropriate course of action for
progressing this document.

9901-23: Convener -- Report the formation of new
rapporteur groups designated resolution 99-406 to SC22 for their information.

9901-24: Convener -- Report on resolution 99-409 to
SC22 and seek its advice on those matters.

7.3 Issues List

No new issues were identified.

8.0 Closing Process

8.1 Future Meeting Considerations

Canada volunteered to host a WG15 meeting 23-24 July 1999 in Montreal. This would make
put the meeting in the same city and the week as both PASC and TOG. WG15 accepted this
gracious offer. This meeting replaces plans for a WG15 meeting in September. Canada agreed
to supply the Chair for that meeting.

The Convener will seek invitations for a meeting in the 2nd quarter of 2000.

8.2 Document Number Assignment

N770

Agenda for New Orleans meeting

N771

UK Action Item Report

N772

Canadian Action Item Report

N773

Danish Action Item Report

N774

Convener Action Item Report

N775

WG20 liaison

N776

WG22 liaison

N777

WG14 liaison

N778

Minutes of ad hoc meeting on ISO 14766

N779

WG15 Project Editors Report

N780

US Action Item Report

N781

Netherlands Action Item Report

N782

TOG Liaison Report

N783

Minutes - New Orleans 1999

N784

Agenda for next meeting

8.3 Selection of Vice Chair/Secretary for Next Meeting

No action taken at this point. There may be discussion at the next meeting of
appointing the Convener as a permanent Vice-Chair.