Searched and nada. I ordered them the day I originally posted (yesterday) and have already received them. That's quick. So now I have a new set of sails for $600 total including shipping. We'll see how they work.

Well they are down in CT and I'm in MA so I suspect the sails were shipped the afternoon I ordered them and made it to me the next day. (OK I know that is how it happened.) Because I'm working my weekend night shift (6PM to 6AM) I won't have an opportunity to inspect them until Monday. afternoon when I awake from my night of the living dead act. Maybe I can get a shot of the box at least. I saw the sails advertised on ebay and contacted the company about combining shipping. They said that they had there own site and I could order there as well. I did and they shipped them to me for free. (I'm sure that it was cheaper for them then having to pay the ebay fees.) I have another set of their sails already that came with the Hobie 14 I have but I thought I'd ask anyway to see who else has dealt with the company. So far I'm pleased. Now I've got to rig up the boat and get it out. If only it weren't November in northern MA. It's supposed to turn cold on Monday, darn it.

FWIW, I'm also a Martin guitar collector. Martin makes all different levels of instruments for the different market demands. Yes a one design has meaning if racing but don't use that as a justification for having only one level of performance on the boats. Just mho. I'd think that selling vs losing a sale has value. I'm pretty certain you know what I mean.

FWIW, I'm also a Martin guitar collector. Martin makes all different levels of instruments for the different market demands.

That isn't really the same. When we build stuff for the Hobie 16... it is expected to be class legal for racing and of a certain quality. On the Wave, we don't have the same constraint, so we build several levels of sails and other parts.

For Martin... they have no (class racing) rules that guide their sales.

FWIW, I'm also a Martin guitar collector. Martin makes all different levels of instruments for the different market demands.

That isn't really the same. When we build stuff for the Hobie 16... it is expected to be class legal for racing and of a certain quality. On the Wave, we don't have the same constraint, so we build several levels of sails and other parts.

For Martin... they have no (class racing) rules that guide their sales.

Who's expectations; easy enough to mark things for the different markets. People will buy what they want whether or not Hobie supplies it. If Hobie doesn't they'll go else where. Case in point.

FWIW, I'm also a Martin guitar collector. Martin makes all different levels of instruments for the different market demands.

That isn't really the same. When we build stuff for the Hobie 16... it is expected to be class legal for racing and of a certain quality. On the Wave, we don't have the same constraint, so we build several levels of sails and other parts.

For Martin... they have no (class racing) rules that guide their sales.

Who's expectations; easy enough to mark things for the different markets. People will buy what they want whether or not Hobie supplies it. If Hobie doesn't they'll go else where. Case in point.

I look at it as Hobie built a reputation on Quality. A friend has a Hobie 16 with sail number 1612. I am guessing this is a 71-72 model Hobie. Original Sails, yes, they are worn out now, 41-42 years later. But his boat is plenty fast and will fly a hull still! That is quality, Yes, they could build lighter weight sails, but it would only last half as long, and cost would not be half as cheap...... In the long run, your better off buying and paying for Quality. Just like the Tramps. Yes, their are AM tramps out there, some pretty good, but none will last as long.Bottom line, they will not skimp on quality just to gain a few customers.

On the Wave, we don't have the same constraint, so we build several levels of sails and other parts.

Really?

Yep. We make a resort sail that is horizontal cut rather that vertical. Saves a ton of labor and is sold primarily to the resort market. It's in the catalog too. There is nothing on the Wave that we are constrained to by rules.

My Hobie which I've had only a couple of years has sails# 1914 from 1973; they need a mess load of repair and then would still not be any good. They should have been replaced long ago. Just because something is used for a long time doens't mean it should. At any rate it will be a while before I can try out the new sails. My wife is giving them to me for Christmas even if they aren't official Hobie sails.