Thursday, November 14, 2013

There is an AP report which continues the Jewish Left hate against Catholic teachings and those Catholics who support them. They have also repeated the familiar line about 'the modernizing reforms of the Second Vatican Council' and Vatican II 'reaching out to Jews and people of other faiths'. (1)

There will be no clarification from the Papal Nuncio to the USA, Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò as this lie is repeated in the U.S media.Nor is it corrected by the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) and of course neither the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith or the Vatican spokesman.

Since this is the Jewish Left understanding of Vatican Council II for the Catholic Church it has been accepted by the Vatican Curia. The Chief Priest has spoken. Rome must follow.

No one is going to say that Vatican Council II affirms the dogma extra ecclesiam null salus in Ad Gentes 7 and that LG 16,LG 8, Ag 11, UR 3, NA 3 etc are not known exceptions to the dogma on salvation and neither to AG 7. So the Council still has a traditional position on Jews and other non Catholics.

Here is what the Catholic Church teaches according to Vatican Council II and some of the other magisterial documents.

Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.

Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism(124) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church.- Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.-Catechism of the Catholic Church 846 (AG 7 )

Above all else, it must be firmly believed that of the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mk 16:16; Jn 3:5), and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through baptism as through a door This doctrine must not be set against the universal salvific will of God (cf. 1 Tim 2:4); it is necessary to keep these two truths together, namely, the real possibility of salvation in Christ for all mankind and the necessity of the Church for this salvation.-Dominus Iesus 20

This is the teaching of the Catholic Church before and after Vatican Council II.

-Lionel Andrades

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The Society of St. Pius X has no legal standing in the Catholic Church. It's a schismatic group of traditionalist Catholics who are attached to Latin Mass and follow the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, who founded the Swiss-based society in 1969 in opposition to the modernizing reforms of the Second Vatican Council. The Vatican II meetings made a point of reaching out to Jews and people of other faiths.

Ahmediyyas, Muslims for peace, are in Pakistani jails under the Blasphemy Law as is Asia Bibi.They are in prison for expressing their religious faith.

According to Asia News there was an animated discussion in June 2009 when some women who work with Asia Bibi wanted to convince her to renounce Christianity and convert to Islam.During the discussion Asia Bibi said Jesus had died on the Cross for the sins of all humanity and she asked the women what Mohammad had done for them.

It is the Catholic Faith according to Vatican Council II that all need faith and baptism for salvation. Non Catholics do not have it.Neither did Mohammad have Catholic faith and nor was he baptised with water.

Similar to Christians who cannot express their faith are the Ahmediyyas, in Italy who project Islam as a religion of peace. They do not have peace or freedom under laws created in the name of the religion founded by Mohammad.

The leader of the Ahmediyya community is shown in the picture before Islamic calligraphy. He could be arrested for this action.Since according to Islamic laws the Ahmediyyas are not allowed to exhibit that verse (First Kalma).

Cardinal Kurt Koch, President of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity and relations with the Jews, Vatican has indicated in an article in the L'Osservatore Romano(Nov.12,2013) that an objective error overlooked by Pope PIus XII has resulted in two extreme views in the Catholic Church on Vatican Council II.

Here is a translated passage from Cardinal Kurt Koch's article in Italian in the L'Osservatore Romano (Nov. 12, 2013) in which he indicates Pope Pius XII made a mistake.(1)

This effort has certainly not lost any of its relevance now that we are to commemorate the fiftieth anniversary of the beginning of Vatican II. On the contrary , it has become even more urgent especially if we bear in mind the trends, long dominant to this important event, they see the council a break with the tradition of the Church, and this , in two directions : on the one hand, progressive currents continue to understand the council as the end of the previous ecclesial tradition and the beginning of something new.

Lionel: Pope Pius XII made a mistake in the Boston Heresy Case. Fr.Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for heresy.So now LG 16 (invincible ignorance) is a break with Tradition.So Vatican Council II has begun something new.

How to break with tradition the Vatican is interpreted on the other side , from the traditionalist current , which accuse him of having given birth to a new church , no longer identical to that existed until then.

Lionel: According to Cardinal Kurt Koch the traditionalists assume there are known cases of salvation which are exceptions to the dogma on salvation and the Syllabus of Error.The Council has given birth to new doctrines and a new church.This has originated from the Boston Case in which the pope had made a mistake.It is therefore no coincidence that these two extreme tendencies , already on a linguistic level , agree on making a distinction between the pre-conciliar Church and the post-conciliar Church , as if the Church was no longer the same before and after the council .

Lionel: The 'extreme tendencies' originated in Boston during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII . The pope let Cushingism go unchecked.Yes the Church is no longer the same before and after Vatican Council II if you use the false premise of being able to see the dead who are saved.Cardinal Kurt Koch too assumes these cases are living exceptions to Tradition.

The difference between the two trends is that while the progressive empathic supports a hermeneutic of discontinuity and rupture ,

Lionel: There is a hermeneutic of rupture, correct.There was also a hermeneutic of reupture in the interpretation of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949. It is the premise which determines the hermeneutic.Without the irrational premise there is a hermeneutic of continuity.

Lionel: This was there in magisterial documents before the Letter of the Holy Office 1949.

but in reference to the Second Vatican Council , is revealed also a hermeneutic of rupture.

Lionel: The traditionalists also can only interpret the Council with the false premise.They are not aware that Vatican Council II can be interpreted without the false premise.They indicate indirectly, that Pope Pius XII made a mistake. He gave birth to a new theology and ecclesiology.

From both perspectives , the Vatican is no longer considered as part of the living tradition of the Church, existed until then, but as its end.

Lionel: If you use a false premise with any Church document there will be a break with the past.It happened during the pontificate of Pope Pius XII.

Once of course this error is corrected Vatican Council II is traditional on the issue of Christian communities and churches and the Jews.

Cardinal Koch is misrepresenting the Letter of the Holy Office 1949, may be unintentionally.Since the Letter does not state that Fr.Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for heresy but that it was for disobedience. It also does not state that the baptism of desire etc are cases known to us.Neither does it say that being saved in invincible ignorance the baptism of desire is a known exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Cardinal Koch and the liberals take all this for granted as if it is a fact mentioned in the Letter.

The Letter could be indicating that Fr.Leonard Feeney was rejecting the baptism of desire etc as a possibility.Though in the book, The Bread of Life, it is clear that Fr.Leonard Feeney accepted that a catechumen could have a genuine desire, an implicit desire. This could result in justification.So he accepted implicit desire as a possibility.

Who has an implcit desire and how he wil be saved, whether it will be justification only or also with salvation, is unknown to us. It is known only to God. Fr.Leonard Feeney said frankly, "I don't know".

KOCH AND KASPAR WILLING TO SETTLE FOR LESS

Cardinal Kurt Koch is telling us that he knows! He personally knows cases saved with implicit desire etc. He indicates Pope Pius XII also 'knew'.

Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II is placed in the Catechism of the Catholic Church under the title Outside the Church No Salvation.AG 7 says all need faith and baptism. Cardinal Koch cannot name anyone in 2013 among Christians and Jews, who do not need 'faith and baptism' for salvation.

So the Council is traditional. It agrees with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors.Ecclesiology has not changed on the issue of other religions and Christian communities and churches.If there were known exceptions then there could be a new ecclesiology, a theology of religions and 'extreme tendencies'.

Cardinal Koch and Cardinal Kaspar probably know this by now.They could be willing to settle for something less rather than say that Vatican Council II is traditional. Cardinal Kaspar says the Council is 'ambigous' and Cardinal Koch says there are 'extreme tendencies'.