>Because Syrian troops are now in control of the area, the U.S.-led coalition against the Islamic State agreed to a Russian request to halt the surveillance, in the interests of deconflicting the rival Russian- and U.S.-backed efforts to defeat the militants, the statement said.

>The convoy of buses traveled across Syria as part of a controversial deal brokered in August by the Lebanese militia group Hezbollah that allowed 600 people—Islamic State fighters and their families—to withdraw from the Lebanese border in southwestern Syria and head toward its border with Iraq.

>The convoy was able to reach Deir Ezzour province, an Islamic State-held area in eastern Syria, after the coalition ended its aerial surveillance and airstrikes on the group, according to the U.K.-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, which has a network of activists across the country.

>Col. Ryan Dillon, spokesman for the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq and Syria, said Thursday morning he couldn’t confirm that the buses reached their final destination and said that the coalition hadn’t had persistent surveillance of them for days.

>The U.S. had been preventing Islamic State convoy from moving toward the Iraqi border by bombing roadways and using aircraft to attack fighters who attempted to move forward. But it set aside those efforts and withdrew U.S. aircraft from the area last week at the request of Russian officials who cited a “deconfliction” agreement between Moscow and Washington, Pentagon officials said in a statement at the time.

>The Russian officials said their planes were involved in operations against Islamic State in Deir Ezzour, Pentagon officials said in a statement. At the same time, fighters described as pro-Syrian regime forces advanced past Islamic State convoy. Pentagon officials said they would continue to take steps to prevent Islamic State fighters from moving toward Iraq, but haven’t specified how they intend to stop them.

>“From the start of this situation on Aug. 29, we have placed responsibility for the buses and passengers on the Syrian regime, who in conjunction with Lebanese Hezbollah, brokered a deal with ISIS to move its terrorists into Iraq,” Brig. Gen. Jon Braga, director of operations for the U.S. coalition, said in a statement.

>Previously, the coalition had criticized the deal, launching airstrikes that cratered a road and destroyed a bridge, preventing the convoy from continuing its journey.

>The coalition then targeted Islamic State fighters trying to reach the convoy to assist it, striking 85 militants and more than 40 vehicles—describing it as an unexpected boon in the fight against the group.

>“It presented an opportunity for the coalition to strike and remove several ISIS fighters and resources from the battlefield,” said coalition spokesman U.S. Army Col. Ryan Dillon.

>Deir Ezzour is one of Islamic State’s last strongholds, but faces separate offensives by Syrian regime forces and the U.S.-backed Syrian Democratic Forces.

>The deal to allow the convoy safe passage was reached after the Lebanese army and Syrian regime forces backed by Hezbollah launched simultaneous offensives to clear Islamic State from a mountainous Lebanese area bordering Syria.

>In return, Islamic State provided information on the remains of eight Lebanese soldiers who had been kidnapped in 2014 and handed over the bodies of two Hezbollah fighters and an Iranian military adviser.

>One Hezbollah prisoner who remained with the convoy as insurance for its safe passage was released once it reached Islamic State-controlled territory, according to the Observatory.

>The deal was criticized by both the U.S.-led coalition and Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi, who called it “an insult to the Iraqi people.”

>“We are fighting terrorism in Iraq and we are killing them in Iraq. We don’t send them to Syria,” he said.

>The U.S. had been preventing Islamic State convoy from moving toward the Iraqi border by bombing roadways and using aircraft to attack fighters who attempted to move forward.
>preventing Islamic State convoy from moving toward the Iraqi border by bombing roadways
>bombing roadways
>launching airstrikes that cratered a road and destroyed a bridge
US be like "Look, I'm shooting terrorists! Why don't you allow me to shoot terrorists?".

>>117284>cratering roadways and destroying bridges to impede enemy mobility and increase the time they spend in a kill zone is not a valid military tactic!

lol okay ivan.

Simple fact of the matter is that Russia told the US to stop bombing ISIS once they crossed into a certain region. The US complied, and then the Russians and Syrians did nothing to further attack the convoy.

>>117286no way that a 25% increase in shell diameter results in a 250% increase in crater depth.
both shell diameter and crater depth are measurements of one dimension of the explosive power of the shell. Crater volume will be a function of the cube of the depth and the explosive potential of the shell (it's weight) is a function of the cube of the diameter. Unless they use something in the 152mm that blows up 1000x harder than what they put in the 122.
and its hilarious that the soviet government's own internal technical documents were fake news.

>>117286>not a valid military tactic
>Russians and Syrians did nothing to further attack the convoy
Apparently you can't read very well, let me point out the reasons why nobody shot at convoy.

>The convoy of buses traveled across Syria as part of a controversial deal brokered in August by the Lebanese militia group Hezbollah that allowed 600 people—Islamic State fighters and their families—to withdraw from the Lebanese border in southwestern Syria and head toward its border with Iraq.
Good luck bombing a convoy of buses full of women and children. I bet Americans would never hesitate on that in any other country without Russian presence.

Still, the point is, NATO used this excuse to bomb civilian infrastructure, as they always did for the last 4 years, nothing new here. They just didn't complain loudly about it before.

I imagine next step will be something about this:
>"who build all these stupid cities, roads and factories"
>"the terrorists hide in here and we can't bomb them properly"
>"it is clearly and evil plan of some Middle Eastern dictator"

>>117287122mm HE-FRAG shells have a 3.6kg HE filler, 152mm shells have a 6.8kg filler. Pure HE shells are 4.8kg and 8.9kg respectively.

>>117288>complaining about the US bombing a road and bridge
>blaming NATO, a defensive organization created by European states to protect against Russian imperialism, for something outside of Europe
>but not complaining about how Russia has primarily targeted civilians and infrastructure in Syria due to their lack of military training and capabilities
>"America is weak because they didn't massacre woman and children like Russia!

>>117294>lol ur dum
>rule 2
This is not a personal attack, this is called "personal opinion". You may or may not agree with that, but it is becoming more common for people in American politics to fail at basic logic and demonstrate lack of common sense.

>>117305See >>90929.
>"Someone saying "your ideas are retarded" is not a personal attack. Someone saying "you are retarded" is a personal attack.

I though about your statement for a while, looked at it from a couple different angles and came up with "yep, that's a 'you are retarded'".
If it had been worded a little differently it would have been fine.

>Wednesday, 20 September 2017
>The Russian Defense Ministry says that, according to their data, an offensive launched by Al Nusra terrorists and their allies in Syria was orchestrated by the US security services, aiming at derailing and slowing down the Syrian Army operation near Deir ez-Zor.

>Russia on Thursday raised the threat of a direct confrontation with U.S. forces in Syria, saying that the Russian military would target areas occupied by American units and U.S.-backed militias if Moscow’s troops come under fire.

I really hope this is a last straw. The general's position could have been discovered only by direct involvement of special forces and their surveillance.

It is time to show US and NATO special forces that they are uninvited guests in the country. Otherwise they will stay there forever to support civil war, terrorism and civilian unrest in the region.

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1166666/middle-east>DEIR EZZOR, Syria: US-allied militias in northern Syria have announced the formation of a civilian council to govern the oil rich eastern province of Deir Ezzor where they are racing with the Syrian regime’s troops to capture territory held by Daesh.

>>117329I'm all for calling out US on their bullshit but why do we bother to make deals with muslim extremists? There is no such thing as a civvie muslim, so the more casualties we or murrica causes the better for both our countries.

>>117378Merica and the others of a free world can't exterminate them all, you see. They are not yet in their civilization's decline, like those Indians were, so it is hard to contain them in set limits and recycle them into oil, diamonds or canned pork by use of brute force of law.

>There is no such thing as a civvie muslim
On average - pretty much no; in general, there are several countries that were civilized enough to bear with them. These ones, though, Merica hates the most, because yankees don't understand and refuse to adnmit that it's possible.

>>117387"Civvie" as in "civilian" not "civilized". They're civilized in their own countries, doesn't mean they wouldn't want yours. At the expense of your freedom, life, etc. If it was a convoy with your women and children they would have bombed it without any pangs of conscience. They kids would shoot or behead you, their women would stone you when given the chance. The margin of that chance may be different across countries but that sentiment will be universal across the muslim world and should be met accordingly. Same can be applied to jews as well, just their methods being different.

>>117395>They're civilized in their own countries, doesn't mean they wouldn't want yours.
This is a normal situation for nationalist extrimists, within Mislim world or within American. You, as far as I observe, are no different.

>If it was a convoy with your women and children they would have bombed it without any pangs of conscience.
>implying drone operators have "pangs of conscience" when they are bombing citizens of soverign countries

>They kids would shoot or behead you, their women would stone you when given the chance.
Probably you shouldn't have treated them as cattle in the first place. In fact, anybody would react all the same.

>>117396No, we should have. Should have treated them even worse than cattle as their beliefs contain a doctrine of deceit and sabotage aimed at usurping a state from other confessions' or secular control. This isn't cattle, this is pests at best.

>>117400>This isn't cattle, this is pests at best.
>doctrine of deceit and sabotage aimed at usurping a state
>Should have treated them even worse than cattle
But it is already too late. Just now you generously elaborated your moral principles, and they are no different from those of Islamic terrorist's.

It comes as no surprise that you are fighting together now as ever. You have lost you religious war before you even started it.

>>117404This isn't a question of moral principles but survival. I enjoy my way of living and my country, I want it and my family in it to thrive and prosper. If there is a clear implacable menace to that existence it should be faced with brutality and without remorse. If you aren't willing to commit that brutality on them they will sooner or later commit it on you.
This war in essence isn't religious, it's for power and control, not ideology. It can be argued very reasonably that religion and faith is part of power and control but Islam is that concept crystallized. Has been ever since its inception. Due to that peculiarity one should treat Islam and its followers not as religious fanatics and less fervent adherents that want to worship our mutual God in their own unique fashion but agents seeking to undermine your way of life and to take what's yours. They did so historically and they will continue to do so in the future.

>>117413>This isn't a question of moral principles but survival. I enjoy my way of living and my country, I want it and my family in it to thrive and prosper.
Living inside a country that is a sole global superpower shouldn't be as hard as to care about any survival beyond common sense - obviously, your fellow countrymen pose immensely more danger in that regard. It is understandable that you can feel threatened and envied by the rest of the world, but naturally it is easier to deduce that you are not concerned with these people.

Rather then that, you are concerned with your greed and sense or righteousness. A defensive mechanism that allows robbers and swindlers to continue their business is the same in nature - they proclaim and convince themselves that it is not their fault that they have committed a crime, it was just society's fault that they are in position where there's no choice but to commit a crime.

>>117415My country isn't the sole global superpower and yet the threat Islam poses is very obvious even here and probably even more than in the US.
I am indeed concerned with my greed because what's greed to you for me is a way to grow and prosper. Robbers and swindlers exist universally across humanity, more in some nations, less in others and they're internal matters. Muslims do infiltrate western countries but their motives are just as external as war and espionage which exist parallel to corruption. You cannot close your eyes to either one or use one as argument against the other.
In terms of states there is no defense or attack. You have to further your goals regardless of what you believe to be right or wrong on a personal level or you'll become the stepping stone instead.
This is what Muslims do like everybody else and that's why you shouldn't let them do it. Them specifically and the sooner the better because they are about the most alien nation towards everything you enjoy and strive for. Again, similar is mostly applicable to Jews.

>>117416>In terms of states there is no defence or attack.
Which is quite the opposite. States have borders that they are protecting and laws they are respecting, that is pretty much all there is to state. Only extremists have no respect for borders and laws.

>This is what Muslims do like everybody else and that's why you shouldn't let them do it.
As the matter of fact, I see no reason to allow that to people like you also, with or without Muslims on board.

>Them specifically and the sooner the better because they are about the most alien nation towards everything you enjoy and strive for.
Then you don't know much about the world yet. Probably will never know. The NWO media agenda is seated deeply within you, so you probably don't know what "nation" means as well.

>>117414We've had them since Russia invaded Ukraine, or a little bit before if you count Syrian islamist fanboys. Just ask the mods, a while back they posted that the IP addresses of our Russia-boosters were coming from St. Petersberg and from some ISP in the Kazan-Yekaterinburg area.

And it doesn't matter if this is some half-dead image board, they get paid by the post. The goal is to cause enough pro-Russia/pro-nazi/pro-jihadist noise that everything else is drowned out.

Laws only go as far as they're being enforced. Good luck doing that at international level. As for borders, Europe is an alarming example of how borders are being opened to Muslims or regular godless criminals by legal ways or by smuggling. A clear disturbing agenda can be seen and it uses Islam as a destructive means. Results are paraded as achievements in media and any concern is shut down as swiftly as possible so as not to leak out via traditional media.
Why should you or me pretend it doesn't exist? Why should we brush it away as state looking for an enemy when you can see the enemy yourself and his plans for are all laid out in a book?

>>117423>We've had them since Russia invaded Ukraine, or a little bit before if you count Syrian islamist fanboys.
See, you've just described yourself. I've been on this board since very, veeery long time ago.

>>117424>Laws only go as far as they're being enforced.
Every borders have two sides, and every side has it's own law. And nations were created to keep population within set borders after transportation became easier - for their good or bad. "Muslim" is not a nation, not even ethnicity or cult - it is one of the religions, far more sublime, universal and important than all of these things. The harder you hit it, the stronger a recoil will be.

>A clear disturbing agenda can be seen and it uses Islam as a destructive means.
This is a payback for trying to use Islam as pawns in your greater game. It's not like that somebody is specifically enforcing it from elsewhere - it is just another mother nature's law. If you play with dynamite long enough, it will blow your ass away. Now you enjoy it.

>>117423I'd get pro-Russian posts but pro-jihadist ones just seems like shooting your own foot. Then again, maybe it wouldn't matter too much since the amount of Russians that know English is irrelevant in terms of recoil as well as most of us dislike sandniggers too much too buy it anyway. Nazi post would be the strangest. Probably your LARPing feds or some genuine autists. I could understand trying to entice US with nationalism or even fascism but NS specifically is very dubious.

How NOT to fight terrorism.
1. Declare that a certain country has "ISIS" on it's territory and invade it.
2. Target as much civilian infrastructure as you can. In fact, kill everything that moves as long as you have ammo.
3. Avoid hitting military targets, so that someone can capture them later.
4. Disrupt and destroy local government, police and army. Open prisons and borders.
5. Support separatists and dissidents and help them capture military infrastructure.
6. Introduce sanctions against state. Provide aid to countries and groups that actively fight the state.
7. Deliver humanitarian aid and military supplies to random locations so that better armed people can take them.
8. Interfere with any peace talks as much as you can.
9. If everything fails, start to supply terrorists with arms and information directly, support them from air, land, and internet.
10. Never, ever avoid the opportunity to remind everyone that you are fighting the righteous war.

How to fight terrorism.
1. Respond to international requests on fighting terrorism, made by legitimized government.
2. Avoid hitting civilian targets and other unnecessary casualties. Seek help from local population.
3. Concentrate effort on gaining territory and neutralizing military targets - bunkers, depots, command posts, lines of supply.
4. Support and reinforce local government and police, rebuild services and order.
5. Destroy separatists and criminals with impunity and protect military assets.
6. Disrupt alliances that support terrorism. Reinforce borders and improve international security.
7. Deliver humanitarian aid directly to population and military supplies directly to the people who can make a good use of it.
8. Always introduce an option of peaceful surrender - on your conditions.
9. Never, ever make any pacts with armed, organized and externally supplied terrorist cells. Destroy them and their supporters.
10. Always remind to everyone, who is responsible for the situation.

>Iraqi forces have reportedly captured a military base, an airport and oilfields outside the northern city of Kirkuk after the prime minister, Haider al-Abadi, ordered the army to “impose security” on the Kurdish-held territory.

>Iraqi troops began advancing on the oil city in the early hours of Monday morning amid reports of clashes with the Kurdish peshmerga fighters, the special forces of the autonomous region of Iraqi Kurdistan.

>Two senior members of President Trump’s national security team told lawmakers Monday that they believe they have the legal authority to conduct operations against terrorist groups, including the Islamic State, and said there was no need for a new war authorization to replace the one passed immediately after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.
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>Laws enacted in 2001 and 2002 gave the military the legal authority to fight international terrorism. Even though the United States is fighting groups that didn’t exist back then, including the Islamic State, the legal basis remains sound, Mattis said.
Yeah I suppose it is a very universal and effective law that allows you to ignore any and all other laws, including international and constitutional, on demand, for "fighting terrorism". Not much to change here anyway.

>Our legal authorities for heading off a transnational threat like ISIS cannot be constrained by geographic boundaries.
Geography doesn't have boundaries, mr. Tillerson, boundaries are relative and artificial constructs. These are the legally established borders you should be referring to, now could you please GET THE PHACK OUT OF SYRIA.

>>117452Exterminating terrorism isn't in the best interest of United States. Also, the bullet points you mentioned are a treatement. Removing Islam and Judaism off the face of the earth is the only permanent solution.

Apparently people scared to shit that someone might actually find out what "international community"(of US and their EU cock suckers) is doing there. People of Syria are regarded as responsible for not overthrowing Assad and now are bound to suffer full consequences - complete destruction of their country and their lives.

>>117530>Exterminating terrorism isn't in the best interest of United States.
Indeed it is quite the opposite. Except US never calls it "terrorism", it is classically reported as "democracy" and "freedom".

>>117586And I'm sure should they come back with anything you disagree with, you'll be telling us about how they were actually (((globalists))) sent by the UN to lie about the Lion Assad, may his mighty chemical weapons (which do not exist and are American Lies against a Russian ally!) cleanse the Sunni dogs from the face of the earth!

>>117587>should they come back with anything you disagree with
Which they certainly wouldn't do it unless some kind of NATO enquirer squad will hit them for not abiding sanctions. In this case the delinquency is not in reporting some information (not consistent with Big Brother's code of conduct, or some other "neutral" statements), but the act of trespassing itself. So it figures, the rest of the accusations follow from that fact, not from their own words.

>He drives an 18-wheeler across some of the most dangerous territory in northern Syria. Bombed-out bridges, deep desert sand, even government forces and so-called Islamic State fighters don’t stand in the way of a delivery.

>But this time, his load was to be human cargo. The Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), an alliance of Kurdish and Arab fighters opposed to IS, wanted him to lead a convoy that would take hundreds of families displaced by fighting from the town of Tabqa on the Euphrates river to a camp further north.

>The job would take six hours, maximum – or at least that's what he was told.

>But when he and his fellow drivers assembled their convoy early on 12 October, they realised they had been lied to.

>Instead, it would take three days of hard driving, carrying a deadly cargo - hundreds of IS fighters, their families and tonnes of weapons and ammunition.

...

>Abu Fawzi and dozens of other drivers were promised thousands of dollars for the task but it had to remain secret.

>The deal to let IS fighters escape from Raqqa – de facto capital of their self-declared caliphate – had been arranged by local officials. It came after four months of fighting that left the city obliterated and almost devoid of people. It would spare lives and bring fighting to an end. The lives of the Arab, Kurdish and other fighters opposing IS would be spared.

>But it also enabled many hundreds of IS fighters to escape from the city. At the time, neither the US and British-led coalition, nor the SDF, which it backs, wanted to admit their part.

Russian MOD now trying to pass off video game screenshots and old footage from Iraqi gunships as "proof" that the US is helping ISIS. Image in this one is from the below video at around 0:28 seconds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJqu-P-lQLQ

>>117590>very long article
>"Britain" mentioned 3 times
>"US" mentioned 5 times
On the second thought, this is a normal situation. Britain and US did everything to rehabilitate former Nazi soldiers, escaped collaborators, and war criminals, because they are useful for future wars. Nowadays they are going to do the same for ISIS, of course - the only difference being that they can't even stop themselves from bragging about it.

>The allegations are extremely grave, but may be harder to take seriously given the “irrefutable proof” offered in the form of photographic accompaniment.

So modern western media REALLY believes that Twitter posts can be presented as evidence for some sort of accusations, or maybe "proof". Like, actually. Like, you expect someone to drag it over to UN Security Council and claim that this is a fake news to discourage US. Actually fucking no joke. You know what, Russia wins this information war because it is opposed by horde of complete cretins.

>“The enemy hasn’t declared that they’re done with the area yet, so we’ll keep fighting as long as they want to fight,” Mattis said, speaking to reporters at the Pentagon about the future of U.S. operations in Syria.

Now that ISIS doesn't fight US, and US doesn't fight ISIS, ISIS is free to stay in Syria, and US is free to stay in Syria, since now they can together fight Assad. Brothers to the death of last brain cell.

>>117596Woah guys a article about a press release by the Russian government mentions Russia a lot, clearly this is a conspiracy!

But it's funny you should attack denazification, considering that in east Germany it was barely done at all. The occupational government simply told people that "all the Nazis fled to the west!" while reinstating card-carrying members of the NSDAP as teachers, bureaucrats, politicians, etc and doing nothing to vet them or actually destroy national socialism on the intellectual level that the west did. Hell by the mid 50s they were back to wearing SS uniforms with the skulls removed. (and if you want to see what the "total denazification" that some fools demand would have resulted in, go look up how "successful" debaathification was in Iraq)

And how effective was this "Soviet Denazification"? Well just go and find the voting maps. The former east is now where the German neo-Nazis (sorry, "moderate pro-Russian white nationalists") get the majority of support, and now they hold torchlight rallies in Dresden with banners begging Putin to save them from the Gay American Jews. Apparently Arthur Harris didn't send enough bombers. And unsurprisingly enough there's a even greater correlation between hate crimes and the "vale of the clueless", there are more of them in the former East German regions that couldn't receive West German TV/radio transmissions due to geography or distance.

>>117597>mentions Russia a lot
Meanwhile the BBC article barely registers any guilt on the side of "coalition", not to say about accusations.

>But it's funny you should attack denazification, considering that in east Germany it was barely done at all.
Oh, wait. What was that sound? Did I just struck a sore spot? Yes I did. Indeed I did.

You shouldn't really confuse post-war "denazification" with modern re-nazification of Europe, although latter is a direct consequence of the shortcomings of the former. The first one was a campaign to re-establish status-quo over the nationalist movements, when they all agreed to follow a certain nation's lead. Western countries always helped Nazis, before the war, during the war and after the war - as long as their lapdogs stayed in check, everything was considered okay. Which is especially convenient, since US was very much in need of another occupational army in case that there's an opportunity to invade and destroy USSR and anybody "unfriendly". After all, the first attempt at occupation that happened exactly 100 years ago, failed spectacularly.

>And how effective was this "Soviet Denazification"?
Pretty effective, considering that it took almost 20 years to completely negate effects of it. First there was annexation (oh, sorry, reunification) of East Germany. Then there was EU and of course NATO. Did you know that Poland, CZ, Hungary and Romania have banned Soviet symbols, books and history? What about Ukraine and Baltic states? Well, Nazi Alliance can not exist without their straw nationalists and puppet regimes, without horde of betrayers and collaborators. They forgot that as soon as you befrend any Nazis instead of just shooting them dead, they are going to infiltrate you from the inside and corrupt you with their degenerative propaganda. Same, of course, goes for radical Islamists, but who the fuck cares these days.

>This year, 60,000 “patriotic” marchers showed up. Although they weren’t all neo-fascists by any means, they did include a significant group of (mostly) men marching under the names of prewar nationalist groups and behind racist signs: “White Europe,” or “Europe Will Be White,” or “Clean Blood.” Attempting to portray the march as a normal patriotic outing, Polish state television interviewed one of the participants live on camera, asking him cheerfully why he had come. “To get the Jews out of power,” he declared — an awkward answer for the pro-government journalist, who quickly moved on.

>Large contingents of Hungarian, Slovak and Italian neo-fascist groups came to Warsaw to join the march

Suddenly US discovers that there are those people. What a fucking big surprise. 30 years of anti-soviet propaganda tailored from the best of Goebbels traditions. 30 years of destroying memorials, erasing history of war and promoting "European values". Fascism and xenophobia, Russophobia and warmongering, and suddenly there are shitheads all over the Europe. Who would have guessed? Who is responsible, one would ask?

>>117597the former east is against "Gay American Jews" and refugees because they have lived under communism before. yes, the EU is communism. they have lived through terror states where a few bureucrats rule over you in ways that would make kings of old go green with envy. Poland has a more "faaaar riiiight" attitude than the former-DDR, are you going to ascribe that to failed de-nazification of Poland too? But you are right, the sovoks didn't really bother to de-nazify the DDR. Why? Because the Nazis were socialists...

>>117603>yes, the EU is communism
Of course they're not, you illiterate moron. It's called oligopoly, not communism.
>Because the Nazis were socialists
"Socialists" who were shooting their own citizens for "wrong genetic" reasons.

>not wanting for million of incompatible immigrants to flood into your country is "modern re-nazification of Europe"?
These are, in fact, two separate issues initially.

After dissolution of Warsaw pact, a lot of countries decided to install democratic governments on behalf of European integration. And immigration laws initially were the result of business wanting a lot more cheap labour, especially for menial jobs.

Unfortunately, because EU doesn't want to manage it's own problems (in security and demographic), these problems were readily handled to NATO - a biggest international organized crime syndicate on Earth. NATO specializes in serving corporate interests and US policies, but also is very famous for it's drug, weapons and human trafficking, insurgency, corruption and terrorism.

First all, they installed "decommunization" movements in Eastern Europe and promoted nationalist parties in the region. Then they allowed former collaborators from US, Canada and other countries to return in these countries as government officials, businessmen, cultural and political activists and so on - to further reinforce new occupational regime. Finally, they've started to destroy anything that connected these countries with their communist past (history, culture, education, industry, politics and diplomacy), leaving in place fascist regimes, incapable of independent actions.

When all of these countries were suppressed, indoctrinated, pigeon-holed economically and culturally, NATO turned onto non-European countries, creating chaos and destruction all around Europe - this is the history of last decade which you slept over at your PC. Thus the surge of immigration. NATO is not going to care about your security. NATO is not going to care about your demographics. It is going to wear you down until you will be defeated and destroyed, whether you are "friend" or "foe", then it will throw you into trash and start all over again with next generation.

http://tass.com/world/971892>Amendments to the 2016 Law on de-Communization that take effect in Poland as of Saturday, October 21 may affect 469 objects - buildings, monuments, obelisks, sculptures, tablets, columns, and statues - that ‘glorify Communism’. Monuments to the Red Army soldiers make up more a half of that number.
Clearly those pesky nationalists controlled by Putin didn't demolish enough monuments for last 20 years and staging yet another attack on ... uh.. themselves?

>Stettin was a German city for 1000 years. The red army gave away that city to Poland in 1945.
Yes, it appears so. Shooting yourself in the leg like any normal nationalist would do - I expected no less from them.

>>117608>has never been tried
But that would also mean that anti-communist psychopaths has always been fighting their own phantoms. Well, they deserve to be overrun by barbaric immigrants while getting back-stabbed by their own "best friends".

>wrong genetics included
Of course not, because they weren't shitbrained Nazis. Every educated person knows that being such imbecile is not a survivable treat by itself, so there's no need to help natural selection do its work.

>Every educated person knows that being such imbecile is not a survivable treat by itself, so there's no need to help natural selection do its work.

reading salon, watching TyT and screeching for Bernie gibs on campus does not an education make. overall, the degree of classism and elitism displayed by those who claim to be fighting classism and elitism (Marxists sensu lato) is mind blowing.

>>117618>why am I not surprised?
Because you're <rule 2 of this stupid board>.

>Commies=Nazis
Contrary to Western Imperialists, Stalin never shook hands with Hitler. Nazis = Imperialists = Capitalists. Learn it before it is too late, it might save your life next time you are going to be backstabbed by your fellow "white people".

>reading salon, watching TyT and screeching for Bernie gibs on campus does not an education make
Assuredly, Mensheviks are scum of the earth. It may take some time before they realise that their manners and education are as liberal as it gets, but then it will be too late to do anything anyway.
>tfw Bernie asks his lemmings vote for Hillary
>and they still lose

>>117621>for centuries be so poor and incompetent that you can't conquer anyone
>later get to claim a nonexistent moral high-ground based on whataboutism
Projection in it's finest.

>invade a peaceful nation along with the nazis
Let me take a minute here and give it a good laugh. *inhales deeply*

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(five minutes later)

I need to apologize.
I need to apologize to you and to >>117618, I wasn't entirely honest.

When I was saying about "Nazism=Communism" claim, I was saying that they are quite the opposite, but I wasn't mentioning the other part of that concept - it is that in modern Europe/US Communism is considered to be far worse then Nazism. I mean, on average. After all, racism is a domestic and very traditional thing for Western nations, and Communism for them is outright alien.

The explanation might be that modern European definition of Nazism is in fact "German fascism", and modern apologists explain everything else through the fact that that sort of "Nazism" forced them to comply and occupy "peaceful nation of Poland" and the rest of Europe. And by that logic, naturally, Communism did the same - occupied the peaceful nations of Estonians, Lituanians and Latvians. By that logic, all the rest of Europe were just little forest hobbits who were forced into crimes against humanity - by evil dictators.

So, in effect what people understood as "Nazism" in Europe 50 years ago - was never really purged, the only thing that was purged was "German fascism". So what people understood as "de-nazification" (courtesy of >>117597) was in fact a complete destruction and enslavement of German nation. Naturally, USSR and East Germany didn't try to destroy German nation, and it took quite a while to "fix" the situation, to force it in the condition that we have today.

The result is quite spectacular. When you ask such "European" about war crimes and genocide performed on occupied territories in WW2, they would say "Germans did it" or "Russians did it", "we would never do such a thing". But if you start to inquire such people about immigrants, foreigners, communists and leftists, they would damn agree that it is good to get rid of these people all at once. This leads any sufficiently sane person to one sole conclusion - modern European revisionists don't actually think themselves that genocide is a bad thing. They don't think that war crime is in killing people for their skin colour, their political views or their culture and ancestry.

No, the crime against humanity was in killing wrong people. A peaceful nation of Poland will learn from these mistakes and this time it will make sure to do it properly.

>>117622Western leftists may be able to occasionally get away with this pathetic corruption of vocabulary and syntax, but it simply does not work when you're a non-native speaking shill. Do you even realize how nonsensical that drivel you just posted is, or do you not care because of the deep satisfaction you get from defending mommy Rossiya?

>>117623>do you not care because of the deep satisfaction you get from defending mommy Rossiya?
I suppose you are getting envious? The only thing I heard from modern nationalists in their own defence is a stock cliche about peaceful nation that dindunufin.

>>117626Well actually it's not. It would be a different story if US would somehow cooperate with Russia in fighting terrorism, but instead it invents nonsensical excuses and fabricates false accusations, while continuing to support all sorts of Islamic extremists in the conflict zone.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/24/islamic-states-defeat-could-result-in-isis-2-point-0-or-al-qaeda-3-point-0.html>"Defeating the physical caliphate so it's no longer on a map has to be a good thing, it's the right thing to do," she said. "But you then have to get the follow-up right and if we, the international community, don't get the politics right, the reconstruction, the economic (element) and the governing solutions in the right place then it will lead to Daesh (ISIS) 2.0 or al-Qaeda 3.0."
Basically, this "anti-ISIS" coalition admits that it failed to deal with AQ (as well as invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan and several other countries), and it has full confidence to do it again. How about just stop financing extremists all over the world in the first place?

>>117652>"proceeds into classic whataboutism"
>"hey, what about that whataboutism"
Apparently you failed to notice that this situation in Syria is not about terrorism and blaming each other, it's about throwing down legitimate government and invasion of sovereign country.

American MSM nowadays have 3 modes of operation. The first one is blatant bullshit-spewing which only really works on those who are allied with US. Like this one down below. The second mode is blatant finger pointing, which is almost always synchronised with US own actions - "if you don't want to be blamed by someone, blame them first to seize the initiative". And the third mode is blatant ignorance, as demonstrated by this up there person.

>Military officials said that the 2,000 personnel in Syria represented something of a high-water mark as the fight against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria winds down. The American-led coalition has retaken 97 percent of the territory once held by the militants, and the military is working to stabilize recently liberated areas, including the restoration of basic essential services, the removal of explosive materials and the distribution of humanitarian aid.

>Colonel Manning said troop numbers would continue to decline as the American-led coalition transitioned to missions to train and advise local forces.

Don't forget to donate your money to "humanitarian aid" projects, so the terro^W freedom fighters can get more weapons, warm clothers and food, and continue to hold thousands of hostages in still occupied areas of Syria.

>>117653>r-r-russia would never attack another country's embassy! tinfoil hats!

For most of the cold war the US embassy in Moscow had several high-power microwave emitters pointed at it. Cancers, eye problems, skin conditions and other long-term brain problems are notably higher in embassy employees from that period.

Simple fact of the matter is that Russia is trying to harm Cuba's relations with the US.

>Talal Silo, a former commander in the Syrian Democratic Forces, said the SDF arranged to bus all remaining Islamic State militants out of Raqqa even though it said at the time it was battling diehard foreign jihadists in the city.

>“Agreement was reached for the terrorists to leave, about 4,000 people, them and their families,” Silo said, adding that all but about 500 were fighters.

>>117687>Cancers, eye problems, skin conditions and other long-term brain problems are notably higher
>Russia is trying to harm Cuba's relations with the US
These problems are obviously the consequences of long-term degeneration of American elite, but let's just blame everything on some boogieman and carry on as if nothing happened.

>>117605>"Socialists" who were shooting their own citizens for "wrong genetic" reasons.

Yeah, we solved this issue by stifling genetics as a science instead, lmao. You could pretend one is more benign than the other but in both cases retarded shit dominated the ideology and citizens were murdered by the state. Nazis just look more appealing to a reasonable man nowadays because at the time they fought against what could be seent as the budding sources of degeneracy of the modern world.

>>117692>You could pretend one is more benign than the other
Or you can change your opinion on a whim to help them kill each other (and everybody around them) more confidently. Congratulations, you are a hero now!

>Nazis just look more appealing to a reasonable man nowadays because at the time they fought against what could be seent as the budding sources of degeneracy of the modern world.
Or so they usually state. In reality they were butt-mad cultists who thought that "aristocracy" shall teach "peasants" how to fight "degeneracy". Brits and Americans through the history have a knack to find most bloodthirsty maniacs in the region and support them for fun and profit.

>>117694>That's politics 101 though.
That's no politics, this is called "doctrine". Modern American-led coalition operate on many of similar doctrines, but I noticed one prevalent tendency among them - there can be no crime greater than giving money to poor people. Any genocide backslash bleaks in comparison to Western powers reaction to that highest order of sin.

>Divide and conquer.
Minus conquer part. When the nation is stripped of it's resources, culture, identity and other values, it is left to die on it's own. When their purpose is fulfilled, the people are longer needed.

>socialist politics inevitably lead to ruin for various reasons
Capitalist regimes lack facilities capable of reviewing a failure of their politics. If something goes wrong, they blame it on someone else, on those who are absent, on forces of nature, on ideology, or just plain ignoring whatever happened. After which comes the point where one regime is displaced by another, and the cycle starts from the beginning.

Western-supported "rebels" of Syria operate on this doctrine through 7 years of uninterrupted fighting and they do not even seem to perceive their own futility.

>>117695>there can be no crime greater than giving money to poor people
Hey, I never thought about that. That's pretty smart. Poor people are poor for a reason, giving them money might be a waste so it's better not to bother at all.

>Minus conquer part. When the nation is stripped of it's resources, culture, identity and other values, it is left to die on it's own. When their purpose is fulfilled, the people are longer needed.
Sounds pretty conquered to me.

>Capitalist regimes lack facilities capable of reviewing a failure of their politics.
Wut? You should elaborate on what you mean by that. Because as is it's just wrong.

>Western-supported "rebels" of Syria operate on this doctrine through 7 years of uninterrupted fighting and they do not even seem to perceive their own futility.
Nigger problems don't confront the sheriff. As long as they're fighting it's easier to play ball in their countries.

>>117696>Poor people are poor for a reason, giving them money might be a waste so it's better not to bother at all.
And the reason is rich people. It is pretty hard to make a good use of money if you are deprived of them.

When Gaddafi revealed his plans to create alternative source of wealth in the African continent, it didn't take more than one month to organize an invasion and arrange complete destruction of a nation of 6 million people. When Bashar al-Assad refused to let his people (who elected him as a rightful leader of their nation) be robbed of their territory, resources and chances of survival, US hired their favourite jihadist "freedom fighters" to cleanse the region of all excessive population, that can't be useful for making profit.

>Sounds pretty conquered to me.
Differences in doctrines, once again. Most nations are able find peace and conciliation among neighbouring countries, while US is famous for it's xenophobia, aggressiveness and complete disregard of consequences. If your opponent has died, it is dead, and not conquered. If you erase his history from the books, people wouldn't even know he was there, and there's no victory. When you offer someone a choice between short and painful death, and long and hopeless extinction, it is not a conquest by any measure.

>Because as is it's just wrong.
No, of course it isn't. Capitalists usually like to openly brag about failures of socialism while any educated person is well-aware how much they borrowed from said "failures". They regularly fail to notice when they become susceptible to same problems they just declared as unique trait of socialism.

>As long as they're fighting it's easier to play ball in their countries.
What a pleasant surprise. Last time I checked the press feed, it was still "Assad must go".

>>117697>And the reason is rich people. It is pretty hard to make a good use of money if you are deprived of them.

First you talk about not giving money to those that are already poor, now about depriving money from those who had them in the first place. These are 2 different things.

>When Gaddafi revealed his plans to create alternative source of wealth in the African continent, it didn't take more than one month to organize an invasion and arrange complete destruction of a nation of 6 million people. When Bashar al-Assad refused to let his people (who elected him as a rightful leader of their nation) be robbed of their territory, resources and chances of survival, US hired their favourite jihadist "freedom fighters" to cleanse the region of all excessive population, that can't be useful for making profit.

Yeah, poor guy got mirked because he had the right idea but he should have predicted USA's reaction as well. I wonder why we didn't help him out tho. Didn't have good nough military to get involved or was his idea damaging to us as well?

>When you offer someone a choice between short and painful death, and long and hopeless extinction, it is not a conquest by any measure.

It's not? Does conquest always imply subjugation and exploitation? Would "vanquish" be a more correct term to use?
Still I wouldn't look for peace and conciliation with Islamic nations because it would only end up in you becoming their follower/slave or death. Extermination is the correct way of dealing with them.

>No, of course it isn't. Capitalists usually like to openly brag about failures of socialism while any educated person is well-aware how much they borrowed from said "failures". They regularly fail to notice when they become susceptible to same problems they just declared as unique trait of socialism.

You say that without any examples while both of us have housing, food, medicine and entertainment in capitalist countries while socialist ones often quickly fail to provide even that.

>What a pleasant surprise. Last time I checked the press feed, it was still "Assad must go".
Easier not just for them but for us as well :3 I doubt that removing troops from Syria is a good idea though, we must have left a base or two in there, right? Or are we fucking off completely?