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I dont trust it at all. I think its unreliable. I see why people use it but when it gets down to it, its just not accurate. The batters and pitchers have a lot of influence on where the ball goes, which this stat ignores.

Im not talkin about math. This is the summer, and its baseball...you know..the sport...

As for baseball, anyone who has played realizes that you CAN as a hitter, affect here the ball goes. If you wait on it, you push it opposite field. if you are a little early, you pull it. if its an inside pitch and you try to go oppo, you will likely get jammed. if its an outside pitch, and you try to pull it, you will bloop it or hit something useless. thats why pitchers learn to pitch in spots, why hitters learn to do different things with the ball. BABIP suggests everthing is luck pretty much

Im not talkin about math. This is the summer, and its baseball...you know..the sport...

As for baseball, anyone who has played realizes that you CAN as a hitter, affect here the ball goes. If you wait on it, you push it opposite field. if you are a little early, you pull it. if its an inside pitch and you try to go oppo, you will likely get jammed. if its an outside pitch, and you try to pull it, you will bloop it or hit something useless. thats why pitchers learn to pitch in spots, why hitters learn to do different things with the ball. BABIP suggests everthing is luck pretty much

In the case of hitters, it is pretty clear that their particular skills do have a big effect on balls in play.

Hitters? Not so much. There should pretty much be no argument when it comes to pitchers. Can they do some things to affect balls in play? Of course, but a lot still depends on external factors, such as defense.

In the case of hitters, it is pretty clear that their particular skills do have a big effect on balls in play.

Hitters? Not so much. There should pretty much be no argument when it comes to pitchers. Can they do some things to affect balls in play? Of course, but a lot still depends on external factors, such as defense.

The problem I have with BABIP is that it's not often given with much context. If I got in the batter's box in a MLB game, my BABIP would probably be like .010 or something ridiculous. That wouldn't mean I was the unluckiest player of all time, it is just a result of me sucking.

A bad hitter might be hitting weak pop ups and grounders, and therefore has a low BABIP. I do like to look at a player's BABIP on line drives though. If you're hitting line drives, you are hitting the ball well. And if your line drives aren't dropping in, you are getting unlucky.

The problem I have with BABIP is that it's not often given with much context. If I got in the batter's box in a MLB game, my BABIP would probably be like .010 or something ridiculous. That wouldn't mean I was the unluckiest player of all time, it is just a result of me sucking.

Well, hitters do have much more control over their BIP.

A better example would be you as a a pitcher. Even then, though, you have to keep in mind that everything we talk about is relative to major league talent. That is part of the context that is provided. Also, if you went up there and threw some meatballs, they would more than likely either be a )HR or b) a line drive, which does have a high BABIP. The context that does need to be provided is batted ball types, hence why BABIP is better when measured against eBABIP.