Typing on my phone, I told them, “yes, see you guys there.” I hit send and off I went to my friends at the bar. I’m not a naturally high energy type of person, though when the situation requires, I’d fend my way to accommodate the group. It just tires me to do so. A natural introvert, I am. It’s been almost a year since reading a lot about red pill ideology and actually implementing them in my life.

On previous times when my knowledge on red pill awareness was close to nonexistent, I would often get asked in group settings like, “why are you so quiet?” or “are you always this shy?”, but most of the time I didn’t always get noticed in bar settings. It was usually my friends who get noticed more. I lacked self awareness, so I didn’t know how to channel my inner game as an introverted male. All I knew was what was being taught/observed: the high energy type of individual. When I speak of these people, I refer to guys who can talk to anyone and everyone at the bar, do all the small talk they have on their social skillset, and get on everyone's calibration. On the other hand, there is the low energy type, the introverts, the quiet ones. These are the people who don’t operate their frame on bar settings. These are not for them, not necessarily impossible to game at that situation, but it would mean getting out of their way to accommodate the group, since bar/club settings rely most on looks, status and social preselection. This is the preconceived belief of social dynamics. What can be observed here is that high energy people may get all the social calibration they need, but oftentimes they lack the skill to attraction. Some lack game. What more for the low energy types? There is a huge distinction, but it is very powerful. I only knew of high energy game, but didn't really feel that it best suited my own, so back then (during my days of red pill nonexistence) I only get the feeling that it was all too mechanical what I was doing. A performer, I thought of myself. Ingenuine, what I was doing.

I went to the bar with my friends. It has been a while since I’ve gone out at night to meet women. I’ve been on monk mode for a long time to do some creative introspection, and focusing on my business and craft. I could feel the excitement of meeting women rush right through my veins, as if I am a guy who is on steroids. Yet, here I am with the preconceived belief that I should operate on synonymously high energy calibration as with anyone else. I said to myself, “If I maintained frame, it would be more comfortable anyway and I would love to just be in my natural state.” So I did. I’m not really a bar type of person, so it was my first attempt to displaying my own confidence without having to go out of my way. When I was talking to women, I figured that my aura was much different. It seems that my nonchalance and my eagerness to keep my cool was turning them on. I felt it was natural. I noticed most of the guys in bars act like someone they are not. Why? To get laid. They have their best foot forward—a habit of betas—to find validation and being outcome dependent.

The strong silent type is a person who is reserved, genuine, nonchalant and outcome independent. He does not go out of his way to validate people. Instead, people validate him. Women think of him as mysterious that no other can compare. Mystery is the boiling pot of desire. It’s what builds attraction. The strong silent type is not a pick up artist, just being genuinely himself, at his natural state. Instead of the usual question I received in bars about me being quiet, I was there leaning my arm on the bar, while two women were in front of me waiting to get fucked. My tone of voice was not high energy. It sounded that it was commanding with power, but not giving the impression that it was forced. I was operating at low energy at a high energy location. The strong silent type approaches women without any tricks. He does not use pick up lines to connect with women. He just commands the conversation and direct where it will lead to, provided that she is interested. If she's not, the strong silent type does nothing. He feels no loss, because he understands that it is just a playing field of high energy individuals. The strong silent type has good self-awareness. There is only frame.

But hey, these are only observations from my experiences. I find that introverts have their own game too, they just have to express it outward, otherwise the question “why are you so quiet?” would resurface again to your future experiences. No introvert would want that. Now, when I get asked this, I simply respond with, "because I just am." There's nothing wrong with it. Being quiet can be an attractive trait. Most males have high energies in bars, but they lack game.

James Marshall and Roosh have both described themselves as implementing low-energy game and have been quite successful at it. You're right that doing the high-energy thing can be forced in those settings and is inauthentic. To be honest also, those ludicrously high energy people can be really fucking annoying. Those guys that have to dominate the conversation are just not people I would choose to hang out with.

Didn't know this was the PUA forum where your goal is to lay as much as possible ;D

I don't know Roosh, but I do bang about 10 a year too. I find quality women and just rotate. When I lose one, I get a new one, but I don't lose them often (say every 3-4 months because they want commitment).

How do you even go on banging women every week when you have a career, train (5-6 times a week), read books, take care of your house AND maintain a social life? I only see out working it if you're a student with loads of free time.

I would be very cautious about using this kind of thinking as a rationalization for inaction; which is a much more common male problem than over-action. I definitely have a more calm, collected, and slow-moving demeanor than most people and I think it serves me well, but that's not an excuse to not act and be assertive.

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I think the whole introvert/extrovert dichotomy is a little bit overblown and to nearly as stupid as asking people what their "sign" is. Every man on the planet needs both the ability to speak well and socialize and the ability to shut the fuck up and find comfort in solitude.

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Overall, I liked your post and don't have any major issues, but I think it needs a disclaimer like the one I just wrote above. Some new member is gonna read this shit and think it's okay to be autistic.

Yeah, I find that personality types are not static, rather they show what you are in your natural state. People can adapt. Temperament is a different thing. Some people can be high energy, others on the low, but still operate on the same calibrated level.

Some personality features are dynamic over time, others you just can't change them, ever. Especially the energy type - if someone is an introvert, that person will always be an introvert, no matter how many billions they make and how many plates he begins to spin. Look at pretty much all famous artists or performers. They may be slaying, they may be popular, but they are still introverts in their daily life.

"introvert" is not (always) a label/excuse that people stick to their personalities to justify not scoring a lot, it just means that this person's energy is focused more in their inner world, as opposed to extroverts, who need to be with a lot of people all the time to get energy from it. And their entire behaviour and frame is built around that, so I wouldn't say it's that overblown. If you are an introvert you can't get yourself to be an extrovert, even if you are the really attractive type. Obviously a lot of beta introverts use it as an excuse but it's no obstacle really, it's just another archetype that you have to embrace.

Introversion is no label, but it's an indicator of how to better your game. If you know your temperament is on the low energy spectrum, might as well take advantage of it and use it to game women. It's not an obstacle, but rather another means to express yourself naturally. Introversion is not an excuse to justify not scoring a lot. There's just a different way of expressing masculinity with this type of personality, however fluid they may be.

I find that introverts that know how to game have a far better leverage than extroverts, because all society knows about game is the extroverted approach, especially in bar settings. If you are the creative type of introvert, you'd be able to think of ways to game using your own approach, your own style, your own way. It's much more natural that way. I think of this as a challenge to introverts in TRP, if not myself--to go outside their heads and express RP knowledge in ways society don't normally accept. I honestly think introverts are a niche to any community. Not all niches are inherently bad though, I'm sure people know that.

Absolutely. Men often oversee that a surprisingly decent % of women are into the introverted type, provided you are doing it well. It's a completely different way to develop game strategies, targets and even places. Many introverted men experience frustration when they fail to smash the stereotypical basic club chick - that is because they are basically trying to install a Tesla engine into a Ford Fiesta. A correct setup for introverts, instead, could be as you said a bar or more intimate places where it's more reasonable to play the mysterious character in a way that it gets noticed. With practice it's also possible to figure out the internal wiring of the club girl, but I guess the point here is clear, why would an introvert even be interested in that kind of girl.

Right, and this really became aparent to me when Id hear stories in passing about people who needed to be around their housemates or friends every waking moment. They cant be in silence with their own thoughts. Its something they absolutely need to learn to correct but their preference will always be to have people around them. Same goes for introverts.

Of course you need to be comfortable in both, but to say that people are only highly introverted or highly extroverted out of pathology is crazy to me.

Of course, no need to take either of them to the extreme. The difference is that the highly extroverted type is more appealing to society, I mean who doesn't want someone that has a lot of people around all the time. That's probably what brings a lot of highly introverted people down, even if they are no more ill than their extroverted counterpart.

I agree with you. My comment was more directed at the OP who was conflating being introverted to being autistic and framing someones higher base level of introversion as negative.

There are pros and cons to each as you pointed out. It is important to be able to be comfortable in both domains, but that doesnt mean everyone will end up with a 1:1 ratio of introversion to extraversion. Also, he likened this to star signs, when in reality its a pretty solid concept in psychology. He was far too reductive and almost angry over the nuance of it all.

These designations are not helpful. I have a few close friends who got really into the idea of their "introversion". Both of them are extremely unsuccessful and not anyone who you would want to emulate. I was also called an introvert most of my growing up by my parents, teachers, and many of my friends. I had to train myself to even be able to talk to strangers. I was terrible at small talk, public speaking, and leaving the house in general. I felt "more energized" sitting at home in front of my computer for hours and hours a day and felt "drained" when I had to deal with people. Maybe some of that is simply due to the way that I innately am, but a huge portion of it was because my ineptitude in social situations gave me anxiety.

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I see this same pattern in a lot of the people I work with on a daily basis. It's something that can and should be overcome. I'm ultimately uninterested in whether introversion and extroversion are scientifically valid analyses of human behavior. I'm only interested in turning myself in the kind of person who is successful and being called an introvert never benefited me.

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As I stated above, there is a healthy balance between being out-going and being comfortable in solitude, but I don't think that most of the betas coming to this sub struggle with how to be alone, therefor I think it's the less pertinent topic of the two.

I get your point, and I definitely agree with you for the most part. I just didnt think it was necessary to discredit the ideas validity. For the people that are using it as an excuse, they shouldnt be allowed to hide behind their introversion and take advantage of that term.

But for the people that are a bit further along in their progress or who arent struggling as much in that same way, the fact that there is validity in relation to understanding personality means they have a potential resource to help them understand themselves better, and other people better. It helps with reconciling personality differences without seeing those differences as defects.

Ultimately, you can use the knowledge of personality traits tohelp your understanding of human interaction(if only a little). Thats always a positive. I dont think the ends justify the means of getting lazy introverts off their ass if they if it means that they start to think of their introversion as a defects. It solves one problem but creates a new problem that will surface down the line.

I appreciate the sentiment of what you're trying to put across though.

I actually didn't discredit the ideas validity. I agree with you that it's a valid idea. I just said that it needed a disclaimer attached so that new people interpret it the wrong way. That's all. I agree with everything that you just said, except for the part where you said I called his post invalid. Reread my original post.

Great post, we are developing exactly the same kind of game/behaviour.

Being calm, being present, walking slowly, entering a bar/workplace/everywhere feeling dominant and in control, watching people in the eye, not rushing when talking, saying authenthic thoughts, that's what I'm talking about.

This is not even simple game anymore, this became a natural behaviour.

I need this I realized I can't keep a plate because I create this witty high energy persona and then mellow out. I have the looks and game but i never have the energy to want to speak to people, I never understood how to project stoicism, without coming off shy

women relate to the strong, silent type at times... but they REALLY dig the strong, silent type if he is aware of how women sub-communicate.

eye contact & when to break eye contact.

body language & positioning.

knowing female choosing signals.

humans relay a ton of info without verbal communication and even tho women talk a lot, they're great sub-communicators; however, getting good at it is NOT easy and takes a shit ton of practice.

the easiest way to learn is to watch women interact with women & male family members. how they lean in/out during conversation, flip their hair, hold their hands (so those bitches can see this big wedding ring), and esp. how they make/break eye contact with women can give you insight into how they use sub-communication to relay hate, interest, attraction, jealousy, etc.

Either if you want to "break rapport" (I.e You want to convey a negative feeling. Almost like socially punishing the girl for something she said/did) or so that it's not weird (I.e If she looks away). Also if you just feel like breaking eye contact for whatever reason.

Pleace expand ob when to break eye contact precisely - sometimes in interviews while they are speaking i can go 30 seconds looking them dead on no problem to the point where 2 conversations are being had - words and the eye game. Please give your advice it will be much appreciated.
Contrary to some perhaps, i have a somewhat sociopathic tendency of maintaining eye contact at just about every turn except for a break when im thinking best how to deliver my words

Remember, frame is game. If you maintain eye contact with someone, it should always feel natural, if not make it feel that it is. Look in the eye with intent, not with dread. Always command. Make your presence felt. Breaking eye contact is a sign of low self confidence. It all boils down to believing in your capacity to share your presence in the room.

long unbroken eye contact can be intimidating and/or taken as aggressive... gotta be careful with that and women.

eye contact is a subtle thing that depends on how two people vibe, their surroundings etc.

remember women don't fight with their fists... they fight with their mouths, brains, etc and use sub-communication to signal different things to those around them. they are natural at it but it's a learned thing for men.

again... the easiest way to learn it is to observe women in different settings. for example, i can tell when a married woman is attracted to other men around her easily. they give signals that 95% of guys never pick up on-including their husbands.

Its possible to implement this type of game, the problem is most silent guys aren't strong silent types. Most of them are spergs with weird hobbies unable to relate to normies and mainstream media. They'll probably read this post, buy a scorpion jacket and some toothpicks then tell chicks they just "drive".

I refer to it as the James Bond type. You're seductive and mysterious. You hold frame, you're calm and collected. You're approaches are smoother and you're a contrast to the high energy guys all around you.

Nice, but James Bond is fictional character and in the real world things doesn't go that well with this type of behavior. The only dudes I know who are able to pull off such a behavior are the good looking ones. So for them is possible to fuck girls with opening their mouth once in a while.
But for me, I need to approach and be active otherwise I will not getting laid.

James Bond may be a fictional character but he is based on human personalities of the past. It is possible to pull this off if you know you are valuable enough to women. That's why I keep reiterating to go monk mode and increase your SMV first, then everything will just start to make sense. You don't need to be good looking to be the person you want to be, you just need to be decent looking. Lift weights, read a lot of books, get your shit together, and the stars will align.

Would you rather increase your SMV, or lower your standards instead? No one likes to take home the latter. Once you develop better standards for yourself, that's when you start to think the other way around. Instead of women qualifying you, it's you who qualify them, because you inherit such valuable traits. Everything starts with the right mindset.

You still have to approach, but you don't have to be high energy. I've approached women, took their hand, started dancing, and then made out with them all without saying a word. It's all about how you hold yourself. You don't really have to be good looking. I've seen less than steller men do it. I'm fortunately good looking but it's mostly my body that does it. I used to be 100lbs overweight and get nothing. Now I have the v-taper and wear fitted clothes that show it off.

You can be a chamelon and adapt your state to the environment/situation you're in (leave your frame to enter another)

Or you can be a COG (center of gravity) and impose your state on the environment/situation (pull others into your frame)

The TRP way is to be a COG. So, in your bar scenario, if you're an introvert, maintain your introvert state/energy. If you're a fucking badass rockstar maintain that state. Whatever you are - maintain your state. Repeat that a million times. It is better to have people not buy into your frame than it is to try and change it. Authenticity is another component of attraction along mystery. And when you have two of them going for you.. you double your superpowers.

What ever suits you but don’t do this shit unless you’re already getting pussy consistently. I can easily see a ton of the people who want to adapt this game end up just sitting silently in the corner of their group/ the bar with less presence than a piece of furniture, all the while they tell themselves that they’re doing a great job with the silent game.

I have a friend who runs the strong silent type, we both stumbled onto the red pill like 5-6 years ago, and that’s how it manifested in him ( keep in mind we were already deep in PUA shit at that point but this changed our game up a bit).

He has good posture but he’s never symmetrical in terms of how he stands or sits, only opens his mouth every once in a while to make witty sexual references/jokes in group settings, always gets shit tested for them, and always ends up with the girl approaching him.

Well two nights later, the woman I spoke to asked to meet up with me. We made out but we didn't fuck. She was looking for the provider guy already, I on the other hand was just looking to fuck. So it didn't end well I guess lol, but it was alright because I still enjoyed the experience.

Going back to your point, silent types won't sit silently in the corner if they have male friends who complement the 'sarging'. I've never been the best type to direct approach because I think it is stupid, yet it is so powerful and effective. I'll have my other friends do that. Like a snake preying on its victim, I speak when it is time. I do better game alone at daylight. It's less intrusive, seems more genuine, and easier to connect.

The silent types are better suited on day game approaches. Bar settings just doesn't do me any justice when it comes to expressing my own game. Been passively meeting women more on the day than at night. It just so happens that I was with my friends to drink and decided to express low energy game at a high energy location. It doesn't work for most women, but it's more comforting to myself.

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The strong silent type approaches women without any tricks. He does not use pick up lines to connect with women. He just commands the conversation and direct where it will lead to, provided that she is interested.

This is how the natural does it. He doesn't bother trying to build a connection with her, he lets her hamster do that for him.

I'm not doing what anyone else is doing. I am simply describing what works for me. It's understood women dig a man with high SMV, that's just the reality of it. What's been purposely described here are my experiences of finding my own style.

Being silent is a choice.. Being extremely social is another, there's a balance.

What I did was work on myself, hence got extremely fit, became well read and in the process getting my finances in order. I feel valuable, just being in the room with a pool full of women constantly looking at me from top to bottom is more than enough to validate this increase in value. I find pride in working on myself.

The strong silent types that get laid constantly are ones that are decent lookin enough coupled with some smv that they get girls hooked into their frame perfectly - which is where your post comes in. It works yes, but inefficient.

Because the successful ones who get laid quite enough they don't ever need to push that comfort zone and 'fake it till they make it' or they don't gotta cold approach or chat up people at parties and what not.

And the inefficiency is nuts too. Your at parties and generally bringing people down with low energy - if u have ur own social circle that respects u fine but if they don't and ur not interesting at all when they 'peel back layers' its gg.

A critical factor of strong silent type is the smv part like most of the success in game - situational smv is needed.

You've only just had a 'realization' why don't you put it continuously to the test and then see where it goes. Keep in mind you sound 30+ meaning a more mature crowd. Most people hook up via parties which requires the extrovert side of les hommes.

The strong silent type is quite inefficient in bar settings, but they are extremely efficient on daygame. Bar settings are very loud and would require a lot of energy to connect with women. They have high SMV provided that they work on themselves first. People need to accept that. I'd rather increase my SMV, than lower my standards. Hence, the monk mode and consistent focus on my business. Man's development is more important than gaming women. The 'successful ones' are confident because their hard work (in increasing their value) made them that way, not the other way around.

Actually, I am only 25. What's more important to me now is the mindset and developing the right frame as a person who is silent. I used to be a high energy type of person in bar settings, but it always didn't mend well with how I wanted to express myself. My craft in self-expression is more important, that's why I decided to figure out my own style of game.

High SMV is critical indeed. It's either you work on yourself to reach a point where being silent can be attractive, or you lower your standards and attract women who are lower than your SMV. If you are confident in yourself without anyone's validation, people could really tell a lot about you even without deliberately saying it.

Daygame is a number's game. One factor to consider is how good you are when approaching in the day. Normally, I just spark up a conversation with no goal to lay whatsoever. If she's receptive, that's when you plant the seeds.

You should check up Goldmund Unleashed, an introvert type with a strong aura and very crafty with words and like to observe, what people would say, the uninteresting. Have a fun way to tell stories and how to use the "introvertism" as a strength.

The thing is, I am both the strong silent type and the outgoing charismatic type depending on the context. When I’m walking alone in a dangerous place I purposely walk slow and keep to myself to show others I’m not afraid and will open a can of whoop ass if I have to. The same applies to me when I’m on the path train. Walking slow displays self confidence.

When I’m out with friends or social events , I am naturally the type to joke around. When I’m working with patients I always joke around and make small talk, shoot the shit, with them. Even when I’m in concerts, and parades, I’m the one who is dancing around not giving a fuck and talking to strangers.

My 'game' is the same in a sense. For some background, I'm a sociopath, so I'm non-reactive to pretty much everything (including things that I should really be reactive to). I find that this bores some women tbh, but some of them go nuts over the fact that I cbf 24/7

Lol, sure you are, Dex. Hint: diagnosing yourself with a mental disorder is not cool. You realize you can just be an emotionally stable person who doesn't get nervous and upset easily, and that is a good quality to have. It doesn't make you a fucking sociopath.