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I know the population will remain high and a bunch of naives will be jumping around with their storebought pets and mounts and now classes, but it's over.

Need gold? Just buy a boe pet and sell it

Dont feel like leveling? Buy yourself scroll of resurrection

What's left? They've milked almost all of it down to nothing, but go forth and level in MoP, within a few months after the expansion the scroll of resurrection will be bumped up and some clown will just lol past you and you timespent leveling like a fool.

There is no such thing as progression in WoW, because it is simply handed out when blizzard needs a few bucks.

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Big deal, blah blah, game is fine, so they're handing out level 80s, mounts, gold, pets, and mounts. It wont get any worse right.

The whole point of an rpg is to level and progress a character, what is it now exactly?

But you'll keep making excuses right up until the end, i know a diehard fanboi when i see one or at least someone who doesnt understand the very basics of how an rpg works.

Jokes on you, I don't even play. I did take my free level 80 rogue of course. I know exactly how an RPG works, seems like you don't though. I'll say it again because you clearly didn't actuallyread it before, there is PLENTY of progression in WoW, *YOU* can't see it, because you have the blinkers of "must do everything anally 50x in order, must not skip old content, must lose life to game, must grind, not have fun" yeah you've seen that before, because that is how NORMAL PEOPLE see games.

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I know the population will remain high and a bunch of naives will be jumping around with their storebought pets and mounts and now classes, but it's over.

Need gold? Just buy a boe pet and sell it

Dont feel like leveling? Buy yourself scroll of resurrection

What's left? They've milked almost all of it down to nothing, but go forth and level in MoP, within a few months after the expansion the scroll of resurrection will be bumped up and some clown will just lol past you and you timespent leveling like a fool.

There is no such thing as progression in WoW, because it is simply handed out when blizzard needs a few bucks.

Yes it is, it will be F2P by 2017 and will go dark in 2021. It's a failure.

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Sure, Wow wont be the leading MMO game for ever, I am sure another will have take over within 3 years but the game is still far from finished just yet.

I would bet money, and a lot of it, that it will never be the case.

History shows that the population of MMO players surged incredibly *because* of WoW. It was the vast majority of *now* MMO Players' first one, unlike those of us that were there with Meridian or UO. Nothing is going to take over it's crown, because there is no such thing as a "spirtual successor" that can actually draw and keep Players like thier first.

WoW is by no means dead, or really dying at that, since people will continue to return to it as long as it's still active (like me and UO every couple years)... but the era of a million subscribers for any other game (without international marketing) is gone. You're never going to get that kind of consensus about a product unless it's their first taste of said digital ice cream.

~Oh, and the only thing that will kill WoW is Activision... by simply giving up once subs drop below what "they are willing to put up with". They have some high expectations set from the game's crazy success, so it makes sense to me they might scrap it the moment it drops low enough - then have a crazy push to shove players into the next product. Surely, the death of WoW will be the next Blizzard MMO, for many reasons.

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Sure, Wow wont be the leading MMO game for ever, I am sure another will have take over within 3 years but the game is still far from finished just yet.

I would bet money, and a lot of it, that it will never be the case.

History shows that the population of MMO players surged incredibly *because* of WoW. It was the vast majority of *now* MMO Players' first one, unlike those of us that were there with Meridian or UO. Nothing is going to take over it's crown, because there is no such thing as a "spirtual successor" that can actually draw and keep Players like thier first.

WoW is by no means dead, or really dying at that, since people will continue to return to it as long as it's still active (like me and UO every couple years)... but the era of a million subscribers for any other game (without international marketing) is gone. You're never going to get that kind of consensus about a product unless it's their first taste of said digital ice cream.

~Oh, and the only thing that will kill WoW is Activision... by simply giving up once subs drop below what "they are willing to put up with". They have some high expectations set from the game's crazy success, so it makes sense to me they might scrap it the moment it drops low enough - then have a crazy push to shove players into the next product. Surely, the death of WoW will be the next Blizzard MMO, for many reasons.

Good points, I don't think we will ever see those figures again, and the points you made will increase longevity at the top but all things end. It could well be a Blizzard product that does it, with their revenue stream they do not need to release Titan until it is gleamingly polished and full of content, that is for sure.

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Can always do the acheivements, once done on one character do it on another character. Have afew months of playtime there even when you don't have to worry about leveling. Or just farm for gold or just do raids and grind for gear. If you don't like doing that then you won't like WoW.

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Big deal, blah blah, game is fine, so they're handing out level 80s, mounts, gold, pets, and mounts. It wont get any worse right.

The whole point of an rpg is to level and progress a character, what is it now exactly?

But you'll keep making excuses right up until the end, i know a diehard fanboi when i see one or at least someone who doesnt understand the very basics of how an rpg works.

....and i think you miss one HUGE point and that is just because you 'can' do these things, doesn't mean that you 'have' to do these things. Just because you have the ability to go straight to level 80 if you want to, doesn't stop you from levelling a character from 1 to 85 through just kills alone, questing alone, dungeons alone from L15 and so on, the game is there for you to play the way 'you' want to play it for the most part. Make the game your own, play it in whatever style you wish to play it, if you want to stop and enjoy the scenery at a particular level, turn off your xp and enjoy it.

Yes, Blizzard have changed the game a hell of a lot since the original vanilla release, but that is the nature of the beast, adapt or die. What i find most annoying is when people claim that they 'cannot' do something because Blizzard put in a new feature when in most cases they are well within their power to continue via the old methods but what they really mean is they can't be bothered with any effort to keep playing the game the way they want to and just give in to the newer method instead.......and then complain about it.

I have about a dozen L85's, but i also currently have 3 characters i am levelling in different ways, one through quests and dungeons, one through quests only and using only gear that drops or is given as rewards and another that i am levelling with all the gear i can muster for them. Subtle differences, but it keeps me personally amused when i am not gearing my 85's, it is the way i choose to play and i enjoy it.

It may well be finished personally for you, but there are still plenty of us that enjoy the game for what it is and what it allows us to do in terms of play style choice, but i guess it is all a personal perspective.

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I know the population will remain high and a bunch of naives will be jumping around with their storebought pets and mounts and now classes, but it's over.

Need gold? Just buy a boe pet and sell it

Dont feel like leveling? Buy yourself scroll of resurrection

What's left? They've milked almost all of it down to nothing, but go forth and level in MoP, within a few months after the expansion the scroll of resurrection will be bumped up and some clown will just lol past you and you timespent leveling like a fool.

There is no such thing as progression in WoW, because it is simply handed out when blizzard needs a few bucks.

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I've always been capped at Wow fast, since vanilla I was in the first raiders. I did stop playing sometime for a few months, and i just love scroll of ressurect ,my friend got back and i do not have to wait a month or 2 before playing with him, it's amazing..

Wow isnt a game that stops at 85, far from that there are achievements and professions and lots of things to do around.

If you do not like "achievement" runs maybe you are just bored of MMo's...

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I don't get why people are complaining about the Scroll of Ressurection. For one, you need to have an old inactive account to use it, you only get it once and only one character is boosted to 80 (which isn't the cap) and is given green quality gear, nothing to drool over. Besides, WoW is the type of MMO where the game actually starts at level cap (85) so I don't see what the big deal is.

That aside, WoW will decline simply because it's old. Millions of people have been playing it for 7+ years now and like anything in life, if you do something for too long it starts to get stale. This is the normal life of an MMO, to achieve a peak and slowly dwindle down afterwards. The fact that WoW's population is declining is not the developer's doing, it's simply that the game is aging and there's new shinny stuff comming out now more than ever.

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Wow is not dead. It did get a cough a while after cata came out and never really got better but it doesn't even have a fever yet.

Sure, Wow wont be the leading MMO game for ever, I am sure another will have take over within 3 years but the game is still far from finished just yet.

I think we really have to see the financials on SWTOR. Will they earn back their investment. Honestly, I think the threat is over for WOW for at least 3 years... they only have to compete with themselves. Cata was really a unique expansion because so much of the development time and cost went into non-endgame content. They also made a minor mistake in making cata heroics much more difficult than WOTLK heroics... that should have been done a little more incrementally.

I don´t think there are many big developers that can pull off a major release and the marketing necessary to dent WOW anymore. Warhammer and SWTOR were really the only two that ever had a chance. AOC had the IP and budget to do it.. but.. wel.. it was Funcom...

I know people will quote x and y games that are upcoming.. but in reality, nobody outside of sites like this have ever heard of them.. they just will never be mainstream enough to make a dent in wow.

I think WOW has probably peaked and will never regain those 2M subscribers.. but I also think they aren´t going to continue to lose 1M subscribers per year either. MoP has a lot of content coming for endgame and they have already acknowledged their mistake with cata heroics..