ffemtreed wrote:Salary dump. He had his chance last year with all the injuries to shine and prove himself. He failed miserably.

He makes like $25 a game, so salary dump is not the term. He never got a chance to show himself considering he only played 11 or more minutes in a game twice last year (12:59 and 14:22). I'm not the type to say "prospects deserve a chance because they're prospects", I'm a "earn your position" guy...but to say he got a chance to shine and failed is just completely false.

I disagree, the reason why his ice time was limited was because he didn't do well with the limited ice time he was given, he didn't earn the chance for more ice time. He has shown me nothing that he is capable of being a regular in the NHL. His skating isn't up to par, He doesn't make quick decisions, He doesn't position himself properly most of the time, His shot is average, his only real asset is his size which he does use well along the boards, he is good at knocking people off the puck when he is in the right position. I don't know what it is about him be always just seems a second behind everyone else on the ice. It showed a lot last year instead of making the quick outlet pass, he turned his back to the opposing team and ate the puck along the wall and waited for help when we could have been going the other way with the puck. He has 6 points in 42 NHL games, he make over 800K a year, not sure what league min is, but i am sure we can sign someone to do what he does that makes league min.

Here's the problem I have with your evaluation. There are very few players that have the ability to make an impact in limited roles. Tangradi has earned a real chance with his performance in the AHL. He has done everything they ask of him in WBS. Then they call him up and stick him on the fourth line with Craig Adams and Aaron Asham, maybe a couple shifts with Malkin or Staal last year. Sorry, but you're not going to ever develop a true prospect and not an NHL shoe-in (a la Crosby) with that type of trial. If they really think Tangradi might be a top-six player, Dan needs to bite the bullet and just give him 10 games and see what he does with them on a top line. And I mean really commit to it. Not just give him 8-10 minutes there, but a good 16-18 minutes with some power play time.

But maybe Shero has already made his determination, I don't know. It's a weird situation where Shero and Bylsma give him all the confidence in the world yet every action they take says otherwise.

ffemtreed wrote:Salary dump. He had his chance last year with all the injuries to shine and prove himself. He failed miserably.

He makes like $25 a game, so salary dump is not the term. He never got a chance to show himself considering he only played 11 or more minutes in a game twice last year (12:59 and 14:22). I'm not the type to say "prospects deserve a chance because they're prospects", I'm a "earn your position" guy...but to say he got a chance to shine and failed is just completely false.

I disagree, the reason why his ice time was limited was because he didn't do well with the limited ice time he was given, he didn't earn the chance for more ice time. He has shown me nothing that he is capable of being a regular in the NHL. His skating isn't up to par, He doesn't make quick decisions, He doesn't position himself properly most of the time, His shot is average, his only real asset is his size which he does use well along the boards, he is good at knocking people off the puck when he is in the right position. I don't know what it is about him be always just seems a second behind everyone else on the ice. It showed a lot last year instead of making the quick outlet pass, he turned his back to the opposing team and ate the puck along the wall and waited for help when we could have been going the other way with the puck. He has 6 points in 42 NHL games, he make over 800K a year, not sure what league min is, but i am sure we can sign someone to do what he does that makes league min.

That's fine and all, and I'm well aware of what Tangradi looks like out there and your analysis is fine...I won't debate that. But the point is, you said that he was given a chance to shine...which he wasn't...when injuries occured, AHL veterans came up a took his would-be job. Sure, that's an indictment of Tangradi in some regard, but it doesn't change that he wasn't given a chance to show what he could do without Craig Adams on his line...

I'm not saying he becomes anything at all, he's not quick mentally or physically, but he's not a salary dump (let's go with $800K, the league min is $525K or $550K I think, so we're splitting hairs there) nor did he ever get a chance to shine. He's played in the NHL for 396 minutes. To put it in perspective, Jani Rita played more time in the NHL, so did the invisible man Niklas Nordgren, Matt Murley played twice that much for us just about, that's how much time Noah Welch played as a Penguin...I mean, if that's time to shine, I wonder what isn't...

Again, I'm a "he should earn it" guy, but I'm not going to be sold that Tangradi got a shot at anything here...whether he deserves it or not is certainly debatable...

wondermoose wrote:Here's the problem I have with your evaluation. There are very few players that have the ability to make an impact in limited roles. Tangradi has earned a real chance with his performance in the AHL. He has done everything they ask of him in WBS. Then they call him up and stick him on the fourth line with Craig Adams and Aaron Asham, maybe a couple shifts with Malkin or Staal last year. Sorry, but you're not going to ever develop a true prospect and not an NHL shoe-in (a la Crosby) with that type of trial. If they really think Tangradi might be a top-six player, Dan needs to bite the bullet and just give him 10 games and see what he does with them on a top line. And I mean really commit to it. Not just give him 8-10 minutes there, but a good 16-18 minutes with some power play time.

But maybe Shero has already made his determination, I don't know. It's a weird situation where Shero and Bylsma give him all the confidence in the world yet every action they take says otherwise.

I've posted that exact comment on these boards over 10 times.

One game I saw the line of Kunitz - Crosby - Tangradi vs Toronto, preseason game. The line had 4 points, Tangradi was AWESOME. He was forechecking, hitting just sick.

Tangradi is better playing with better players. He can't score off himself. He's needs to get down low with talented players.

The logic around this place is unreal. Not everyone is a Talbot that can score on the 4th line. What is Craig Adams and his 6 points a year going to do for Tangradi's development...Tangradi was a point per game player in WB/S on the top 6. That's where he should be.

Bylsma just hates young players so much. Sick and tired of his career 4th line joke of a coach and his sytem GET TO ERRR GAME DERPDERP.

Tangradi is not a power forward. He is a skilled winger in a big body. He passes the puck nicely and generally has good offensive awareness. He does not seem to shoot the puck all that often, almost a last resort when he shoots. Decent puckhandler, average defense, and sub par skating. If he improves his skating I could seem him as a solid 3rd liner/2nd line tweener.

Tangradi won't be the next Naslund, but he'll finally get to some dumb team like Winnipeg and be a solid 20-20 PF for the next 5-6 years and everyone will wonder what a stupid move letting him go was, when we never even gave him a real chance.

Tangradi is a better fit for Crosby than Malkin. Crosby is a better cycler and Malkin likes to create more on the fly...more of a chance for Crosby to burrow in deep and hit Tangradi standing in front of the net all alone (a la Malone) than for Tangradi to score on the fly with Neal and Malkin, IMO. Can't predict chemistry to a 'T'...

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I know where you are Mikey, I used to head across the GWB thN out past you as I made a beeline for I-78 on my drives back to the 'Burgh.

But I just assumed Sewell was in the southern part of the state. Is that not so?

Yes, sorry, that was kind of a random outloud thought more than anything. I was born in Philadelphia and lived in South Jersey most of my life (since you're on or from my side of east coast it seems...like exit 2 or 3 of the NJ Turnpike area)...then I went to Rutgers and moved up to New Brunswick. Where I remain until further notice...

Yeah Sewell is about an hour or so south of New Brunswick...maybe a bit more...I guess the fastest way would be to pick up 295 (it gets close to the NJT at exit 7 for Bordentown/McGuire AFB and puts you at exit 56 (?) of 295) and then take it to 42 then to 55...and it's there...I can't think of any other way to get there efficiently from any other part of the state from Trenton or north...

On one hand, I want to see him get a chance. On the other hand, that "one time you saw him on the top line in preseason" when he looked good...well, our staff has seen him day in and day out in practice, and I'd assume they have their reasons why he hasn't had a chance. so basically, meh.

I know where you are Mikey, I used to head across the GWB thN out past you as I made a beeline for I-78 on my drives back to the 'Burgh.

But I just assumed Sewell was in the southern part of the state. Is that not so?

Yes, sorry, that was kind of a random outloud thought more than anything. I was born in Philadelphia and lived in South Jersey most of my life (since you're on or from my side of east coast it seems...like exit 2 or 3 of the NJ Turnpike area)...then I went to Rutgers and moved up to New Brunswick. Where I remain until further notice...

Yeah Sewell is about an hour or so south of New Brunswick...maybe a bit more...I guess the fastest way would be to pick up 295 (it gets close to the NJT at exit 7 for Bordentown/McGuire AFB and puts you at exit 56 (?) of 295) and then take it to 42 then to 55...and it's there...I can't think of any other way to get there efficiently from any other part of the state from Trenton or north...

my best friend from college was from NJ... he was from a place called Cranfield or something like that..... I know he was by NYC and near the Newark Airport since his dad was a pilot there....

that anywhere around there?

he always used to tell us how much he loved Jersey, but we always used to make fun of him and say Jersey was dirty as hell and sucked

mikey287 wrote:I'm not as well-versed in the North North Jersey because that place does suck and is dirty...there's a place called Cranbury which is near me...could be that? I don't know of a Cranfield...

Frankly, I can't wait to leave this hellhole...in the South it's not so bad because there's more room to breathe...but Trenton and north is just butt city, USA...

Actually the nort west corner of the state is pretty nice, nestled up against "up state" NY and the East Stroudsburg area. The area known as Delaware Water Gap.

Yeah, I painted with a broad brush...there's some real wealthy towns in spots...but the bad outweigh the good by so so much...

I can't imagine what a desolate wasteland New Brunswick would be as a long-forgotten satellite suburb of New York dragged kicking, if not screaming, into the 21st century by way of having big education and big medicine hold court, the former set up before the country gained its independence even...