Time to put this one to bed: The lights in Phoenix were caused by OPFORS training from Luke AFB. Now to prove it at the start of the film where the lights first start appearing. As the lights appear count seconds at each light is a flare in a f16 magnesium flares on parachutes the amount is set by the pilot in 2 second intervals. Count them and prove me wrong. Too many excellant radars in that area to be anything else. Some can burn for quite some time. The flares are on a switch 2/4/6 second intervals on a F16 which they were using.
\Again just unidetifyiable lights at a distance at night.

That flare explanation is the most retarded explaining ever. If flare was thrown from the plane or shot then it supposed to fall down not be stationary. There is no any on air hanging stationary flare on this planet. Even with parachute hanging flare hanging stationary is simply against physical law well for corporate debunkers every physical law is breachable anyways.

Another big logical breach is anything unexplainable happens on top of big city then it is usually some military top secret drill thing. But to any common sense all military drills supposedly take place as far away as possible from civilian residences to avoid any lethal accidents.

So for Phoenix case there are 2 major illogical explanations presented by debunkers versus 1000s of witnesses. Well this multi witness cases happen many places just in case of Phoenix there were more people happen to hold few cameras so documentation trails managed to exist.

There is another retarded explanation is for any other crimes or events an eye witness credit is acceptable but for unexplained events any eye witness credit is un-acceptable even the witnesses count in 1000s is still un-aceptable what kind of super retardation is that.
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That flare explanation is the most retarded explaining ever. If flare was thrown from the plane or shot then it supposed to fall down not be stationary. There is no any on air hanging stationary flare on this planet. Even with parachute hanging flare hanging stationary is simply against physical law well for corporate debunkers every physical law is breachable anyways.

The flare is shot from a predetermined location on the ground. There is a small parachute attached which is deployed once the flare reaches it's position. The heat from the flare reduces the drop time since heat rises.

Another big logical breach is anything unexplainable happens on top of big city then it is usually some military top secret drill thing. But to any common sense all military drills supposedly take place as far away as possible from civilian residences to avoid any lethal accidents.

So for Phoenix case there are 2 major illogical explanations presented by debunkers versus 1000s of witnesses. Well this multi witness cases happen many places just in case of Phoenix there were more people happen to hold few cameras so documentation trails managed to exist.

There is another retarded explanation is for any other crimes or events an eye witness credit is acceptable but for unexplained events any eye witness credit is un-acceptable even the witnesses count in 1000s is still un-aceptable what kind of super retardation is that.

Ask any lawyer how easy it is to discredit an eye witness.

An August ruling by the New Jersey Supreme Court will make it easier for defendants to question the credibility of eyewitness testimony in criminal cases. The decision is part of an ongoing debate about the role eyewitness testimony plays in criminal proceedings.

New Jersey aren't the only ones. There is widespread agreement among researchers that the correlation between identification accuracy and confidence in identification judgments is weak. For this reason, many experts caution against heavy reliance on confidence when evaluating identification accuracy. The authors present a meta-analytic review of 30 studies using staged-event methods that include target-present and target-absent lineups. Although the overall confidence–accuracy correlation in these studies corresponds to that reported in previous reviews, including choice as a moderator variable leads to a somewhat different conclusion. For choosers (those making positive identification), the confidence–accuracy correlation was reliably and consistently higher than for nonchoosers. In addition, the mean confidence level for correct choosers is higher than that for incorrect choosers in every study.

In most courts of the 21st century, eye-witness testimony has been proven to be less than optimal.

C'mon Orgil, try using some critical thinking. Or at least raise your IQ by about 20 points.

I'd say Ozzfan is more like religious trained agent to manipulate general views around here to dilute any suspecious critical views changes.

Doesn't surprise me in the least that you're willing to come to false conclusions based upon insufficient evidence. Of course, anyone who tries to find the empirical truth must be a disinformation agent, for what else can he be to the ignorant and the unintelligent?

Prove one piece of metal or one hull you could rap your hand on that would be evidence.
Note that lights in the sky at distance can be anything.Its a sighting not a UFO.
Man I seen flares in Veitnam for hours of end. So I realy dont know you say they can be something else. Aircraft flares float with the winds and stay aloft quite some time. Opposing force training at Luke AFB is regular training. With Lukes radar and local airports around that areas would be informed of this training and the training is classidied and only over Lukes airspace..

Funny a city of what 3 million or so thousands of witnesses and a news crew has the only proof and its aircraft flares from Luke AFB. Strange lights over a military training areas jeez the sky is falling.

NO ONE HAS ANY PROOF OF A UFO not one piece of one no hull no bodies. But we do have 130 groupd and countless others that swear the ufos exist but like fairytales that are quaint and intriging but make good stories. Thats how the UFOlogists sell their books they dont have to prove anything.

Photos can be faked, videos are faked always, documents can added to deleted or blacked out or outright forgery. People make this crap up day in day out.

I love the UFO debate. You can read the debunkers side and see their logic and turn around and read the believer side and understand their point of view. I'm willing to be called a UFO kook on these forums, but I believe there is life outside the Earth.

Concerning the Phoenix Lights (P.L.), I understand that everyone states that it was military training by using flares. Or that Luke AFB's and the airport's radar would have detected any unknown aircraft. I've seen flares from aircraft at night used at one of the military training centers and they did not hover as long as the P.L.. And my thinking is if we can make aircraft like the Stealth fighter, then wouldn't an advance civilization have one that's infinitely better than ours? I'm not claiming to be a military aviation expert, far from it. It's just things that I saw personally.

As I get off my soapbox, I'll state one more thing. If the P.L. are fake, what was that "V" shaped object those people saw that went about 100 or so feet above their house? Every time I start to agree with all the explanations, I always come back to these witness statements. If there's an explanation out there, please post me the link. I'm definitely curious to know.

Remember that since heat rises, different altitudes and temperatures will affect how long a flare will stay hovering in the sky.

Reports also indicate that nearly every recount of witness reports had deviations in their stories, indicating a lack of consistency, suggesting subjective interpretations of what witnesses think they saw. In fact, what they had seen was lights in a "V" formation, which were five airforce jets flying overhead in a typical "V" formation, but the viewers had made the connection in their brains that the five lights were a single object. While people claimed they saw a single spacecraft, available footage only shows five lights and no visible aircraft.

I'm not trying to tell anyone that they can't believe that alien life exists "out there", nor would I think anyone a "kook" for believing so. I simply think we should investigate without jumping to conclusions until we have reliable data. Avoid the conspiracy theories that our government is somehow powerful enough to hide alien visitations from the public for over 50+ years, and avoid the people who do not know what they saw, so they proclaim that it must have been an alien craft.