He certainly looks it from the outside. I think his fighters have made him appear to be a better coach than he actually is, I think they realise that after a period of time.

Not fair to say. His record has to be taken at face value. The only way to gauge a trainer's abilities are based on what his resume says.....and Roach has quite the resume. Not to mention his mentor was the late great Eddie Futch....you can't have a better teacher in the sweet science than that. You drive a hard bargain.

Not fair to say. His record has to be taken at face value. The only way to gauge a trainer's abilities are based on what his resume says.....and Roach has quite the resume. Not to mention his mentor was the late great Eddie Futch....you can't have a better teacher in the sweet science than that. You drive a hard bargain.

What fighters has he built from the ground up or dramatically improved? Maybe Pac, but I think you can make a good case for Ariza's conditioning being the difference there. He's had a lot of big names for a fight or two and they move on. I like his calmness in the corner during fights but he doesn't seem to give good advice. And during interviews he appears to be an egotistical trash talker.

What fighters has he built from the ground up or dramatically improved? Maybe Pac, but I think you can make a good case for Ariza's conditioning being the difference there. He's had a lot of big names for a fight or two and they move on. I like his calmness in the corner during fights but he doesn't seem to give good advice. And during interviews he appears to be an egotistical trash talker.

What fighters has he built from the ground up or dramatically improved? Maybe Pac, but I think you can make a good case for Ariza's conditioning being the difference there. He's had a lot of big names for a fight or two and they move on. I like his calmness in the corner during fights but he doesn't seem to give good advice. And during interviews he appears to be an egotistical trash talker.

****....ALL trainers have fighters that "move on". Look at Floyd Sr....look at Goosen, Brooks and a Steward. Look at how many Coaches have actually produced fighters from "the ground up"? Not many. Usually they already had formal training before linking up to "the next level". Most fighters have some ****iness to them....trainers are no different...especially when they use to be fighters.