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deportation raid

A deportation raid is where the government comes to your house or place of work to arrest you, jail you and possibly deport you, sending you out of the country. In the US they are carried out by agents of Immigration & Customs Enforcement (ICE), part of Homeland Security.

In a typical raid, there is a knock at the door at four or five in the morning. They say it is the “police”. You open the door and then comes what some describe as:

“the most horrifying moment of their life. Nowhere to run to, no one to scream to for help.”

The ICE agents come into your home. Your children are crying and screaming. ICE is asking you questions, often in bad Spanish. They arrest whoever they feel like – citizen or not (they will sort it out later). They put you in handcuffs in front of your children and take you away.

“It’s hard to overstate how disruptive this is, how wrenching this can be – people picked up in a raid might be the only source of income for a whole family, dressed their kids for school in the morning, cooks for their family, they might be a person supporting an elder parent or young baby. To imagine that person would be ripped away – imagine how it could affect everyone around them is extremely serious.”

Notethat no sanctuary city can stop ICE from coming to your door.

You do have rights, even if undocumented:

You do not have to open the door unless they show a warrant signed by a judge (through a window, under the door).

You have the right to remain silent.

Once you open the door, they can come in. They will not bang down your door like the Gestapo – unless they think you are armed.

You should urge everyone in your house to remain silent, to record or write down what is going on. Badge numbers are important. Ask for a lawyer and do not say or sign anything till you do!

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Have a plan of what to do if taken, especially in regard to your children.

After you are taken ICE sorts out who you are with the help of their fingerprint computer – which makes a false match 1.6% of the time. If you were not in their computer before, you are now.

If they decide to deport you, they send you to a deportation centre, part of the prison-industrial complex. You should get a hearing, but due process is not their strong point, even under Obama. If you lose, they put you in chains on an unmarked plane.

President Obama deported 2.5 million, a record, thanks in part to Clinton’s laws, Bush’s counter-terrorism computers and broken-windows policing.

President Trump wants to triple the number of ICE agents. From what he has signed so far, it seems he intends to deport maybe 9 million.

I cannot deny(!): ICE banging on a family’s door at early hours in the morning and taking someone from said family into custody is terrifying; however, such work has to be done because illegal immigrants will not voluntarily turn themselves in for deportation. If these immigrants entered the US illegally, then they ought to pay for their crimes with deportation: No one is above the law.

So many prominent individuals, multibillion dollar corporations, and protesters nationwide are crying foul about this crackdown, and said entities are going out of their way to file lawsuits against Trump and are doing whatever they can to aid and assist immigrants. While passionate, their fervor and protest are hypocritical. If these prominent individuals, multibillion dollar corporations, and protesters were serious about Justice, we’d see an equal or greater amount of outrage when Black Americans are murdered in the streets by police; we’d see an equal or greater amount of outrage when Black Americans are denied jobs and quality education; we’d see an equal or greater amount of outrage when Black Americans are unjustly treated in the justice system.

It boggles my mind why any self-respecting Black person would run in the defence of immigrants considering these same immigrants are loathe of Black people.

Obama deported so many people, Latino groups dubbed him the “Deporter in Chief”. According to ABC news:

“Between 2009 and 2015 [the Obama] administration has removed more than 2.5 million people through immigration orders, which doesn’t include the number of people who “self-deported” or were turned away and/or returned to their home country at the border by U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP).

According to governmental data, the Obama administration has deported more people than any other president’s administration in history.

In fact, they have deported more than the sum of all the presidents of the 20th century. “

“Huh? All of the undocumented people I know, one of them deported, are Black.”

Do those Black undocumented people you know consider themselves Black? Are they morally supportive of Black Americans, and do they empathize with Black Americans? If you can answer ‘yes’ to these questions, then I say it’s logical and rational for you to argue on their behalf; it makes sense for you to support them morally and to empathize with them.

With that being said, they are still culpable in breaking the law and ought to pay the consequences. Remember: No one’s above the law.

@abagond: U R correct. I am not a lawyer, consequently I cannot speak other than in general terms.

Could U supply fact of individuals who were deported that were not deported thru the courts? Also could U explain why a criminal from Africa or some other nation that is considered Black should not be deported?

Please supply a list of individuals that were illegally deported.

Finally, if a person is Black and in this nation illegally do they have special privilege’s if they have committed crimes that have been considered a part of the deportation program?

Should individual who have overstayed their “Green Card” be allowed to remain in this nation?

The courts? As bad as the criminal justice system is, the immigration system is worse.

The ACLU (bolding mine):

“The immigration system contains an unnecessary and unconstitutional lack of rights that is unheard of in the criminal justice system. No one should be in immigration detention without a constitutionally adequate bond hearing in which the government bears the burden of showing that detention is necessary—to protect against danger to the community or flight risk—and that no alternative release conditions would suffice.

“The United States also has mandatory and disproportionate deportation laws that needlessly separate families. Reform should restore discretion to consider the equities in every individual’s case. Reform should also ensure access to counsel in immigration proceedings, as effective judicial review is an integral component of due process. More than half of individuals in immigration court proceedings are currently unrepresented, including 84 percent of those in detention.”

And that is just the Obama Era. Due process in name only in most cases.

What U believe is not what is. There are plenty of lawyers out there working daily to handle cases.

Perhaps you could start a fund for supporting those individuals that U believe are being mistreated.

U should run for office or become a leader of a group of same-thinking people.

I do not have any thoughts on such a system that U describe.

For the Christians in this nation, this is a wonderful cause to place your money in. Contact Abagond and help him set up a Legal Fund that is legitimate.

This is not a Black issue, because many of those deported are sent back to Mexico, Central and South America. I am sure some are from African nations and are Green Card holders that have allowed the period of authorized visit to expire.

What about it Abogond do you have a breakdown of the deportations. Are there any individuals being deported to Northern European nations.

“If these immigrants entered the US illegally, then they ought to pay for their crimes with deportation:” – Mr. Mitchell

Running with your selective and spotty train of thought, shouldn’t Europeans Amerikans also be considered immigrants? Also, didn’t these Anglophilics enter this country illegally and went on a rampage of committing genocide, raping and occupying this land under an umbrella of supposedly civilizing the natives of this land? Shouldn’t police officers of European descent have to pay for their crimes with deportation? Should today’s white people also pay for the crimes of their forefathers?

If you answer NO to any of the above questions, well then, you’re a mere advocate for double standards or in the alternative, different strokes for different folks!

“No one is above the law.” – Mr. Mitchell
How many white cops have been sent to prison for killing a Black man? Personally, not being sentenced to prison for unjustly killing a man certainly appears to be above the law. You are wrong, because generally speaking, white Amerikans are above the law.

@ Allen Shaw said: “Please be careful. So far not many have actually been deported. The courts are going to become involved.”

Oh my, … the courts are getting involved, which literally means nothing will get done. In other words, infinitely empty entanglements! By the way, thanks again for showing us who you really are and having a strong propensity for structural imbalances as well.

Today’s Mexicans are hybrids of the original peoples of this land. Perhaps if they’d collectively quit placing “The Black Grandma in the closet” or as they’d say in the Dominican Republic: “We’re Black behind the ears” and supporting some Black related causes, then they’ll be a slight chance that I’ll show some support at that time.

These raids are completly horrific. To kick down doors to arrest somebody (be it an illegal resident or for a minor, non-violent crime) is complelty over the top. But of course at some point a legal deportation has to be enforced (unless you’re against any limitations on immigration).

That detained illegal residents don’t have full access tolegal protection is a scandal. On the other hand I always found it strange that illegal residents can interact with the government at all.

“Are they morally supportive of Black Americans, and do they empathize with Black Americans?”

Great question, because far too many black immigrants treat African Americans crap. For example, I’m reminded how difficult it used to be and still is for many, dare I say most, African Americans to catch cabs in many big cities–cabs largely operated by black immigrants.

@Blakksage

“Perhaps if they’d collectively quit placing “The Black Grandma in the closet” or as they’d say in the Dominican Republic: “We’re Black behind the ears” and supporting some Black related causes, then they’ll be a slight chance that I’ll show some support at that time.”

@blakksage: Yes, European Americans are immigrants by the very definition of being from Europe; they may, however, have their citizenships in this country. Any European here illegally, ought to be deported for breaking the law!

The Anglophilics, I believe, did not enter this country illegally because when they came to this land, it wasn’t a country; plus, there was no law or legal system in place at the time of their arrival to have hindered them from entering this land. These Anglophilics, as you call them, invaded this land and established their own code of law. Do I think their invasion of this land was ethical/moral/just? No! Do I think their genocide of Natives was ethical/moral/just? No!

If said police officers of European descent are here illegally and if they committed crimes, yes(!), they should be deported. If said police officers of European descent are citizens of this country, and if they murdered an unarmed black man without justifiable cause, then those officers, in my humble opinion, should get the death penalty.

No one is above the law. Those officers who committed murder against black men escaped justice due to the corrupt individuals working in the justice system who aided those officers in escaping justice. This is why we, blacks in particular, are disgusted by the justice system: It has lost integrity and credibility; in fact, it has never had integrity and credibility…arguably.

“Divide and conquer” as in Trump starts with rounding up and deporting undocumented immigrants with Black people cheering on the sidelines. After all, the vast majority of immigrants of all hues show their backsides to Black folk on a regular basis.

However, while Trump has his 100,000 strong National Guard troops mobilized to push out immigrants do you really think he will stop there? Who will be next on his list for roundups and abuse?

Black people.

Who could have seen that coming? Not Allen Shaw who thinks this is “not a Black issue”. It is always a Black issue when other people in this country are abused because Black folk are always next.

If you can’t muster compassion and human decency for other people, I sure hope your self interest and instincts for survival are in high gear. You will need both if Trump gets his way with this monstrous deportation plan.

I believe, did not enter this country illegally because when they came to this land, it wasn’t a country; plus, there was no law or legal system in place at the time of their arrival to have hindered them from entering this land.

So what should we call the hundreds or thousands of sovereign nations in North America, each with their own system of legal and political system, at the time of European contact?

In fact, much of the US system is based on the legal and political system of THOSE nations.

Well I see it is time for me to say goodbye. The responses are now all about ‘human rights” or anything else except deportation of individuals who are in this nation without proper authority.

President Trump said when he was running for office that he would deport the illegals. You (many some) thought Mrs. Clinton was the wrong person so now you have President Trump.

Thank yourself.

I recommended to Abagond that all of you who feel so strongly about this should maybe get together and start hiring lawyers

Do not pick on me because I call a spade a spade.

Decisions made have consequences. I do not relate this matter as a race matter. People think they can get on these sites and complain and then sit on their butts at home. You expect this type of thing to occur unless “you”, through your social organizations, such as your church, or other group, get active in your community.

Now please do not waste anytime calling me names and saying I am stupid, I adhere to the principle “that stick and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me”.

That’s the right thing. Fling out some of these damn Mexicans back to whichever black people hating backwater they fell out of. What is these illegal people and their sympatgasizers? Do they need cheap labour that badly that they are willing to skirt the h-2a visa and use illegals?

I have no problem doing the right thing. It’s not easy for me where I am. But I will not become an illegal person. But why should people like me have to wait, while illegal people get ahead? Is that the message America wants to send to ex-pats who want to contribute high value, legal labour? Even if for just a time.

And these illegals are having babies while in the nation. That’s just evil. What the hell do they think will happen when they caught? Why should illegal people be allowed to get ahead of legal immigrants and ex-pats? It makes no sense. Sometimes I feel like I should just go on a “vacation” myself…..

I understand the frustation felt by people who have immigrated legally or who are attempting to do so. It’s true that undocumented workers are breaking laws and are here illegally. I struggle with that aspect of this issue.

But a big part of this issue is profiling. Abagond noted it above when he said that during a raid they grab everyone, citizen or not, to sort it out later. It’s not dissimilar to drug raids where they mistreat and arrest everyone on the scene, even if they mistakenly have the wrong house.

I have personally known exactly one individual who I knew for a certain fact was an illegal immigrant. He was a white Canadian. He never was stopped at random and questioned about his nationality and asked to show his papers. He never had difficulty getting in and out of the U.S. He was never taken into an interrogation room and grilled by border patrol. All of these things have happened to my Filipino American spouse, who unlike my white Canadian acquaintance is a legal U.S. citizen. But one of them fits the profile, and one of them does not.

Whenever there is a crackdown on illegal immigrants that focuses specifically on non-white and/or non-Anglo persons, there is a concurrent increase in harassment of legal residents, legal immigrants, and legal citizens who match the profile.

If I meant Human life, I would have said Human life, but I was thinking people would probably argue about when and where human life began at (Africa is widely accepted but recent discoveries are casting doubt on the “Out of Africa” THEORY) and then when with (and probably should have been clearer) when life in general started on this planet, but was more being sarcastic on the whole “Go back where you came from” group. You go back far enough, most people are from somewhere else.

“… we were created by aliens. So perhaps we should go back to Uranus? Interesting conundrum!”

How ’bout Neptune, Jupiter, Pluto, Saturn, Mercury, Venus or Mars instead?
I can’t exactly put my finger on it! But Uranus has such an unpleasant ring to it, unlike the awesome rings of Saturn. No more conundrum!

@Allen Shaw: You don’t know what you’re talking about. Under Obama I saw many of my clients — companies with large blue collar work forces, especially in the food and agricultural industries — raided by ICE. Companies were crippled, devastated, run out of business by thuggish heavy-handed ICE tactics. Humans rounded up in droves, loaded into trucks, and shipped to ICE detention centers, where the are deported. I’ve had small business owners hit with 8 figure fines and threats of years in federal prisons for failing to correctly complete the ridiculously confusing and ever-changing paperwork required of employers with respect to citizenship/residency status of their workers. A small business person often cannot afford to hire a full-time HR officer, never mind pay for the annual education to keep abreast of the ever-changing and labyrinthine documentation requirements. What is happening now, in the first weeks of Trump, has mostly been planned for months, beginning under Obama. Obama’s nickname “deporter in chief” was well earned.

“What is happening now, in the first weeks of Trump, has mostly been planned for months, beginning under Obama. Obama’s nickname “deporter in chief” was well earned.”

+1000. At least with Trump, the mainstream media reported it. They were mum silent during the mass deportations under Obama, and I can only assume they would have been silent had the establishment nominee won.

I was just saying in a comment in mod on another thread how hypocritical it is to protest in Trump what you tolerated (endorsed) in Obama.
“I can only assume they would have been silent had the establishment nominee won.”
+1000.

What have I said that allows you to say I do not know what I am talking about.

My statement “Those who were deported went before a court and my understanding had records”.

You may say that something different took place; however I believe you did not see the end of the raids that you claim to have witnessed,
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So I get the point you are some kind of big shot lawyer, since you have witnesses so much tragedy concerning (small) businesses who hire individuals who have entered the nation illegally.

I believe we have one of two choices.

First we open the borders with Mexico the same as with Canada. It does not seem to be a problem with Canadian.

We allow the worker from south of the border into this nation to work. They would compete with the citizens of this nation wherever they could as well as doing the jobs that our citizens do not seem to be able or want to do. They would be paid the same proper wages and benefits as any other individual, who was capable, would receive.

The other choice is to continue the current plan to keep people out of this country unless they have been accepted as potential visitors or citizens.

The situations you describe in your comment to me shows the personal feeling of businesses to hire individuals who were not legally residing in this nation. They seemed to undermine the wages that citizens would receive if they were properly hired and paid the proper wages and given the proper benefits.

While they may reduce the cost of the product to the public a small amount there is really no doubt that the business owners wished to feather their own nest and break the resistance of the poor US citizen and make them work for less benefits.

While you have your fat pay checks working with those “poor greedy owners” many poor and hapless US citizens are denied even small benefits to survive and no legitimate work.

Please, my crying towel is soaking wet from tears as I weep for those poor greedy selfish owners.

And you are laughing on the way to the bank.

O and by the way. I understand that there is a limit as to how long an individual can perform some of the jobs that the “visitors” are doing. There body parts wear out and they are no longer capable of doing practically any work. They should have workers insurance that provide a lifetime benefit after they have been used up. The proper compensation of an individual for their contribution to the company should be assured.

No person or entity has a right to take benefits from the uncompensated work of others.

@ resw I believe you have been doing selective reading. I have been reading for the past 4 years at least about the work of the Obama Administration in ridding the US of undocumented individuals. They have been deported as rapidly as the courts allowed, however the Obama Administration did exempt “Dreamers”.

There is truth in the statement that President Obama was the “Deportation Chief”.

What has actually been done since Secretary Kelly has outlined his plans. Answer Nothing.

It is proposed and must be formalized. I believe as long as there is an unemployment problem in this nation, every effort should be taken to prevent people from other nations taking jobs in this nation unless it is certified that there are no employable citizens. Adequate wages and benefits should be a part of any workers employment contract.

The practice of business owners paying low wages and living “high on the hog” should cease.

Which one is it socialism, communism, capitalism or some other ism. Whatever it is, it is what is fair and most profitable.

Fair enough. Like you, I’ve read about the mass deportations under Obama too, but they never seemed to me to have received the same attention and brouhaha as now. That’s just my perception.

“however the Obama Administration did exempt “Dreamers””

Unfortunately the age 16 threshold disqualified the vast majority of noncriminals. And DACA never actually granted legal status.

After all, it was Obama’s DHS that set an unprecedented minimum annual goal of 400,000 deportations, and his Secure Communities program qickly helped reach that lofty goal. He also made sure there were quick immigration hearings so immigrants would have little time to seek counsel and gather records. It was not until 2015 that Obama, under pressure, implemented PEP, which arguably yielded similar results.

Hmm colonies then ellis island it’s hard to say, you buy in (out) but dudes got shot for you, usians. It’s a tough call.
The medical profits are sick, an er dr. $300/hr probably well you know i guess its represented occupational i think it has ot built in

“Unfortunately the age 16 threshold disqualified the vast majority of noncriminals. And DACA never actually granted legal status”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DREAM_Act#Criticism
“On June 15, 2012, President Barack Obama announced that his administration would stop deporting young undocumented individuals who match certain criteria previously proposed under the DREAM ACT.[37]

On August 15, 2012, the same day that U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) began accepting applications under the Obama administration’s new

Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program

, Arizona Governor Jan Brewer issued an executive order preventing the state of Arizona from issuing driver’s licenses and public benefits to young undocumented individuals who receive deferred status and work authorization under the new program. In addition to driving privileges, Governor Brewer’s order bars undocumented individuals who qualify for deferred action from receiving state-subsidized child care, health insurance, unemployment benefits, business and professional licenses, and government contracts.[38] Thousands of individuals submitted applications for the new program.[39][40] In late August 2012, ten U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents sued Janet Napolitano, saying the directive forces them to break the law and ignore their duties.[41][42]

The other thing is that if you had police contact, were broke, with bad or no papers in most if not all of the countries from which the ‘undocumented migrants’ are coming would jail you until your people sent a plane ticket. (Excepting real refugees of course)

The press keeps saying Obama only deported dangerous criminals, but from what I know about New York it was more like what v8driver is saying: ANY crime under the NYPD’s broken windows policing was enough to get you sent back if your papers were not in order.

@resw I have no opinion about individuals who have arrived in this nation, without proper documentation, other then the dreamers.

I believe there should be a minimum 20 year sentence for any business or individual who hires an undocumented worker!

Each undocumented worker works for less money then a citizen of this nation can afford to work and survive. In truth no Social Securities payments are passed on to the government and probably no other taxes collected from the undocumented worker are sent to the government. Consequently the person doing the hiring is screwing two people.

The unemployed citizen and the undocumented worker.

The people from other nations would not come to this nation if they were not hired by some business.

How do you want me to cry “resw” out loud like a hypocrite that says they really care or about the many unemployed citizens that are being cheated out of work by people who are willing to work for less and destroy the economic system in this nation.

O by the way, I know that the cost of living will have to go up if all of that work that is being done by the undocumented workers is done by citizens who are paid a proper wage and benefits.

Who’s going to pick your fruits and vegetables? ‘American’ don’t want to do this work. It’s the same here in Canada (at least Ontario), the have temporary migrant workers who come during the harvesting season and then go back to their respective countries. ‘Canadians, will not do this work either.

You have your opinion, but that hasn’t much to do with the point I was making, which was about the enormity of Obama’s deportation programs and my perceived lack of uproar over it.

@Herneith

I don’t think “temporary migrants” “want” to do the work either. They do it because they think it’s their best option. If Canada didn’t have social welfare programs, I’d bet those Canadian farmers would find good ole Canadian fruit and veggie pickers in no time.

@ resw You limit what you read when you read. I do not (and did not) care about how many non documented workers are deported. Not now nor when President Obama was doing the same thing. They are (were) here without permission and need to go back where they came from. So do not say there is a difference.

Now my point is this. The people in this nation enjoy cheaper produce because we take advantage of people by forcing them to be non documented and we pay them less for their work.

Non documented workers in many instances do the work that could be done by unemployed citizens of this nation.

Businesses hire non documented workers, take out taxes (SS and other) and probably do not sent the money to the government, thus depriving the worker of benefits.

Thus we make business owners criminals!

Non documented workers do without health benefits which they have earned.

Using non documented workers creates a dangerous system of individual who make money assisting non documented workers to get into this nation. It also allows the few criminals that President Trump seems to be worried about to enter the country.

Having said the above, we could set up a legal system of allowing individual to come to this nation, the same as in other nations, and we could pay them a proper wage for their labor. We could then make the businesses pay for medical benefits that would be required by the workers. They would be required to pay some type of earning tax. In other words make the system legal, pay a proper wages and stop lying to ourselves that we are concerned about undocumented workers welfare.

Finally, in the deep south and metropolitan area there are many young individuals who could be enticed into working in the job areas where non documented workers now work. When I was young I learned how to assist in milking cows on a large farm, I picked apples in the fall, and I do not believe it damaged my character. I recall a feeling of self worth. So maybe we could offer temporary work for some of the youth of his nation, instead of allowing them to dry rot.

My final thought is to repeat no individual should be required to sneak into this nation and be cheated by the system and treated like criminals when everything could be made legal if we where willing to pay a little more for the produce we purchase.

Put people in jail for hiring non documented labor!

@ Herneith Does this answer your question. if you want something done, you pay a proper wage for the work, you pay a proper price for the product.

Of the undocumented people I’ve known, it was a Black person who was deported under a Black president.

Did I not point out that Obama has deported more people than any other president?

And if I had done NO post in the wake of Trump signing executive orders that threaten to triple the number of deportations, you could have read THAT as “Blacks are not much different than Whites in their attitudes towards immigrants.”

In February, when I wrote this post, the ICE office in Austin, Texas was asked to come up with three “egregious cases” among those they swept up in their raids so that ICE could prove that the raids were in fact keeping the US safe. According to emails that The Intercept got their hands on, the Austin office could come up with only one such case.

As in the post, they sweep up whoever they can and sort out things later. That they sweep up a dangerous criminal is a matter of luck. Like with Trump’s Muslim ban, “keeping America safe” is just a load of BS, put out there because xenophobes (who vote) will eat it up.

I can see deportation raids becoming more frequent just like police brutality murders of black people especially in this era of 45. I imagine neighbors in immigrant communities snitching on other neighbors.

I have listened to one of my many podcasts NPR Code Switch and the topic of deportation of undocumented immigrants was the subject. The subject of sanctuary churches where two women one in Colorado and another in Connecticut. ICE policy dictates immigration agents avoid activities at places like schools, churches, and hospitals. So for now these two women can avoid federal agents. My question is will those who are aiding and abetting these women in these sanctuary churches be prosecuted?

“I imagine neighbors in immigrant communities snitching on other neighbors.”

Yes, some are. I came across an article on BoingBoing.net earlier this month about an ICE confidential phone line people can use to report people in the US without documentation.

The article, “Trump’s ICE snitch-line is full of people secretly trying to deport their in-laws” describes the awful ways people are turning on each other:

“Reporters from Splinter News used the Freedom of Information Act to get logs of these calls (alarmingly, ICE doxed a bunch of the callers and their victims by posting a spreadsheet with Social Security Numbers, home addresses, and phone numbers).

What they found is a ghastly assortment of people secretly trying to get rid of their husbands’ mistresses, their wives’ children from earlier marriages, and their in-laws, as well as lots of petty grievances and score-settling. Then there was the charming gentleman who was trying to get his wife deported because she’d brought charges against her for beating her up.”