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CmdrTaco
on Wednesday January 17, 2007 @10:10AM
from the good-for-them dept.

Presence2 noted that MGM announced that the Stargate franchise will migrate to the big screen, carrying with it the ending of the last two season's Ori plot-line. The plot summaries listed in the article don't seem like anything surprising... one even has a wacky time-line slip-up plot. Very original for scifi ;) I'll still watch it.

As stupid as that may sound, it seems to be the only way in which SG1 can continue. Due to their contract with SciFi, they can't resume the show on another network / channel after they got axed.One of the problems they have, is that Stargate still has an impressive fanbase, which really can't just be told "No more for you", so rather than finishing the SG1 storyline, they have opted to move it to TV (or Direct to DVD) Movies.

I personally think it's a shame it ended up this way, although it wont stop me watc

You must have watched a different version than I did. What the people in front of the camera were doing barely passed as acting, and the plots, dialog, and sets left much to be desired. The characters were generic, wooden, and shallow, and there was little to no reason to care about them. Technology and science underwent idiotification (No problem.. I can troubleshoot a crystal with my handy multimeter), alienating the supposed target audience, while everyone else was

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Technology and science underwent idiotification (No problem.. I can troubleshoot a crystal with my handy multimeter)

It's science fiction, it requires a measure of disbelief. And besides, how do you know something couldn't be rigged up? Got some real alien technology laying around that you'd like to share with the rest of us?

alienating the supposed target audience, while everyone else was already alienated by the fact that it's a dorky show.

What would be amusing is to take the already-existing cross-over between SG-1 and Atlantis and just merge the two into one show. I'm not saying that it'd make great television, but it would certainly have the "Fuck you Sci-Fi!" charm.

Movies based on a TV show based on a movie. What'll they think of next?

Video games based on movies based on a TV show based on a movie.

I was about to suggest it had already been done, but according to IMDb, the The Dukes of Hazzard games predate the 2005 movie, and the most recent game used voice talent from the series. (The series was adapted from the movie Moonrunners [imdb.com].)

I really, fervently hope so. Whatever it takes to keep these "films" (and I use the term loosely) away from mainstream cinemas. As if we need to give studios one more reason to demonstrate that sci-fi fans will watch anything, no matter how cheesey. This in turns removes any incentive to make good sci-fi, which further contributes to the (accurate) stereotype that sci-fi and art generally don't belong in the same sentence, which further drives th

I agree that stargate has issues, but I think a lot of that has come from them adding in new enemies. The first few seasons were good imho, but then they started adding things in that didn't make any sense. And then they added the Wraith and the Ori, both of which are not very realistic enemies. The Wraith are supposed to be so strong (or have such high numbers) that they overpowered the Ancients, but then can't catch those rascally humans. And the Ori are ascended beings, and can't even realize that so

what exactly was your point with stating scifi fans can't 'tell the difference' between weird sequelish titles and other weird titles, though?

Sorry if I wasn't more clear. It wasn't the titles. Have you read any of the Star Wars/Star Trek franchise books? Some of them are excellent, but the vast majority are utterly horrible. Despite this, they get read with gusto because they afford sci-fi fans one more chance to immerse themselves in their favorite alternate worlds. They exemplify the way sci-fi desp

As far as the science goes, I certainly agree. But have you actually watched many of the episodes in order, starting with the real pilot? I saw the show on TV several times and thought it was weird. The dialog seemed hokey, the character interactions forced, etc. It was only after watching the pilot first that I started to realize the problem was that Firefly relies extremely heavily on on continuity. It's not really very episodic. The characters do quite a bit of growing and changing throughout the e

Yesterday I saw a "comming soon in theaters" advertisement on Dutch TV for "Nacho Libre". I think "Thank you for smoking" has yet to be released as well.

Only the biggest movies (Star Wars, LOTR) are released in Europe with only a few weeks delay, the rest will typically trail by a number of months.

I can't imagine any good reason for this; translation couldn't possibly be so time consuming (no voice sync in the Netherlands, just subtitles), and all it'll do is push people towards illegal download services.

Film costs. If a major release costs between $1500 and $3000 per print in the US, producing 3000 prints takes a large amount of time and money (upwards of $9,000,000.) A staggered release allows time for prints to be returned, inspected, and if undamaged, sent elsewhere.So adding another market, say, Europe, is even more expensive. Also, subtitles can often require <em>wholly new prints to be manufactured</em>. The subtitles are often on the film itself, for example, The Protector showed with su

Just to note - it does work the other way around sometimes as well. I do agree, hollywood 'B' movies certainly come out in the U.S. long before they do in The Netherlands, or they don't at all. Hollywood 'A' movies typically have less of a timegap. Some movies are released simultaneously or just a few days apart, which is the best yet. Sadly that means that I am going to have to wait for "Stranger than fiction" to come out on March 1st, 2007 - long after the 10 November 10th, 2006 release date in the U.

The problem with Crusade was that is was basically 'The Galan Show'. He was, intended or not, the main character, the one pulling all the strings, and by far the most interesting. Unfortunatelly that wasn't really meant to be the focus of the show, which resulted in a confused mess.Was it a Fantasy show or Scifi? Well it had ships, but far too much 'lord of the rings' stuff going on to be the sci-fi successor to the masterpeice that was Babylon 5.

If Shyamalan did it, it would be incredibly dark with a real suspenseful with
the very interesting plot line. Unfortunately there would be something so
extremely stupid that it would make the movie totally unbelievable. It would
be so bad that they would lampoon it on on television and movies for years
to come.

Something, like I don't know, the aliens being allergic to water so they come
to a planet with a shit load of water to do their shit. That or it would
just suck out right.

A final movie to finish off the series would be a great move. 2-2.5 hours of non-stop sci fi action, that finally ends with the Ori facing defeat. I mean, after this point, there's no returning to the story. It's over, all conceivable bad guys that could be a threat are dead. Even the wraith are finished as they'd be hopelessly outgunned technologically by a race far more willing to wipe them out. The second one just reminds me of a last ditch effort to revive some of the time traveling storylines from the series. Bad, bad move. It'll be at best anti-climactic at that point.

I know time travel has been overdone but when it's done well I think it's a lot of fun. For example, Back to the Future I and III were fun movies (II was a mess), and time-traveling in SG1 has been done pretty darn well (in particular, I'm thinking of the one where the team went back to 1969 - I believe titled "1969" - which was played for fun, and the one where they had to send a message back in time to avert Earth's depopulation which is one of my all-time favorite episodes). The plot for the second SG1

Movie 1: The evil aliens do something and one or more of the team are put in jeopardy. The rest of the team accomplishes a harrowing rescue and then the commander says something moderately amusing just before the end credits.
Movie 2: The team goes to another planet that looks suprisingly like Vancouver and then some evil aliens separate one or more of them and the others accomplish a harrowing rescue. Then the commander says something moderately amusing just before Teal'c raises his eyebrow in disbelief.

Devlin(writer of original movie) has, however, stated that he plans to write his own sequel to Stargate separately to its spin-offs, providing two versions of the continuing story.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate [wikipedia.org]

Devlin(writer of original movie) has, however, stated that he plans to write his own sequel to Stargate separately to its spin-offs, providing two versions of the continuing story. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate [wikipedia.org]

Presence2 noted that MGM announced that the Stargate franchise will migrate to the big screen

And end up failing miserably like every other sci-fi tv to big screen endeavour outside of Trek TOS?

While the original SG movie was pretty good the TV series just doesn't have the same energy to it. And what makes this even worse is that just about everything that has gone from a TV series to the big screen in sci-fi just seems to have the same feel as a very long episode of the TV series. Trek at least put a few

And end up failing miserably like every other sci-fi tv to big screen endeavour outside of Trek TOS?

I doubt it, since it seems atm that they'll either be direct-to-DVD or TV-only. Slashdot and the linked site are woefully behind, these movies have been known [gateworld.net] about for at least a few weeks now.

Trek at least put a few years between it's TV series and motion picture release, maybe that was the key to Trek's theater success versus everyone else's failures. Even the Trek TNG films just seemed like long episodes to me.

Trek TOS only had three seasons before it was cancled, and remained in syndication. And actually there was a plan to have another trek series, StarTrek Mach 2 or some such, but star wars sort of encouraged NBC to not release another sci-fi series. The movie (The motion sickness) was ba

How else could you tie a Sci-Fi show to current events? "Enterprise" had nothing to link it to current events (with the exception of the terrorism episode) and it neatly failed. On the other hand, you have Stargate SG1 making a human to Sci-Fi connection: Religious fundamentalism, Crusades, Terrorism, Homicide Bombings (is that the latest "hip" P.C. name for a suicide bomber?) etc.

However, I am curious how they will translate this cultural clash into the big

Samantha Carter single-handedly develops a super-weapon that destroys both the Ori and the Wraith and is unanimously declared Queen of the Universe. Wearing an outfit creatively fashioned from a thin lace hanky, she chooses only the fattest and pimpliest of slobbering SciFi fanboys to slake her insatiable lust.

Beautiful.However, I don't think I'm the fattest or pimpliest so your script may need a little tweaking...Also, I suggest that she will need Valla Maldoran as a second in command or something.. she makes me tingly.

I think MGM needs a big thank you from all of Stargates Fans. SciFi channel wants to end the SG1 franchise, MGM says fuck no. Let's hope DVD sales skyrocket so it'll slap SciFi in the face to pick up the franchise again.

Its my understanding that Stargate: Atlantis is not ending. Additionally, these movies are allegedly going to launch a new Earth based Stargate series as well, it just won't be Stargate: SG1 anymore.

I am aware of this. SciFi dropped Sg-1 and choose to continue Atlantis. Writers/Directors fucked up SG-1. They introduced the Ori too soon. I would have loved to have seen actual end of the goauld. They could have gotten a full season or at very least a half a season from the goauld plot.

I got the impression from SG-1 stars that MGM has more plans for them in the announcement of the ending of the show.

I'm just really sick of time travel and alternate reality crap. It's been done to death

Hey, that could work! Death goes back in time to help his younger self, and ends up playing a guitar solo at the big dance. Or maybe Death gets to see a nice little town at Christmas where Death never happened? A whole series of Time Travel done to Death shows!

Carter: The truth is, we've never really liked you.Daniel: You have no idea how I've been stretched as an actor.Teal'c: Indeed, I believe Dr Jackson has a parting gift for you.Daniel: It's actually from us all. (hands Vala object)Vala: What is it, a weapon?Daniel: Of sorts, it's a device the ancients kept locked away.Carter: The ancients called it the dildo of death.O'Neil: With story lines like this, I'd still be in the series.

As far as I am concerned Stargate SG1 "jumped the shark" when Annubis was killed.

I can't help but agree with you; there have been some good episodes of SG1 after that point (most of season 8's conclusion was decent enough), but season 9 & 10 have been dire overall - the Ori as an enemy are just uninteresting. However, I disagree strongly with you about Atlantis - at first I was reluctant to even watch it and when I did start watching the first few episodes I did so with a very strong bias against it,

They'd been planning to end the series at the end of Season 6. Then it got renewed. And again. And again. The final death knell was supposed to be at the end of Season 8. You don't think that time travel episode back to ancient Egypt, and the end scene with SG1 enjoying some downtime at Jack's cottage had a certain reek of "last episode"? Atlantis was envisioned as a replacement for the series, not a parallel series of events.Then to everybody's surprise, it got renewed. But they'd already defeated the Goa'

They defeated the Goa'uld -- fine. Just keep in mind, this isn't the movie. There were plenty of good Stargate episodes that didn't deal with directly fighting some specific enemy.The same thing is true of Star Trek, by the way. If you remember, there were probably a grand total of -- what -- 3 TOS episodes involving Klingons? Same with TNG -- The Borg are a persistent enemy, perhaps, but we almost never see them.

The Stargate writers need to go back and examine what worked in the plotlines which had absolut

I know, they could re-visit that time loop episode, because, theoretically, if an event loops once -- it loops forever at least in alternate dimensions. So the loop has to be "cut out" becuase it is taking up a lot of cycles amongst the different universes. Everything starts slowing down, so they must risk the device that speeds everyone up.In fact, they could bring clips from every episode into the movie, because they "time loop" was creating a rare, time loop black hole, because the weight of the redundan

Reminds me of the last episodes of ST:TNG. I'd considered the anomaly as effectively breaking the whole timeline into an infinite number of alternate timelines nearly parallel to each other but actually intersecting inside the anomaly.

Maybe I'm just slow to embrace change, after all, I have the same complaint about the new Doctor Who seasons (Eccleston vs. Tennant)

>> That's the whole charm of the Dr. Who franchise... you get to complain that the current actor is a pale imitation of the previous actor.Personally, I like the guy with the big scarf -- the rest are just poor imitations.

"Personally, I like the guy with the big scarf -- the rest are just poor imitations."That is an interesting plot twist. The three doctors who preceeded the "the guy with the big scarf" actually travelled forward in time to see the 4th Doctor so they could then imitate him. Too bad they did an abysmal job of imitation. I guess the 2nd one came closest but I get the idea that the 1st and 3rd didn't even try.

Personally, I like all of them except for the rather abysmal 7th Doctor but that was more for my dee

The thing is, they have a plot device (the stargate), that makes just about any other plot feasible. While the longer story arcs are interesting, I've often more enjoyed the occasional one-off episodes that have no bearing on the continuity of the series.Instead of epic battles between good and evil with the fate of the whole galaxy in the balance, how about just a group of explorers traveling to a planet that they know nothing about. Maybe it takes an episode or two to tell the whole story, but whatever ha

I thought the same exact thing as you did and I didn't really get interested in SG1 until the 5th or 6th season or so as I was flipping through channels and actually watched a few eps. After that I was curious about the show, got the earlier seasons on Netflix, and from then on I was hooked. I thought the show was played out when RDA left the show and thought it was finished. However, I really like the new direction they've taken the show the last 2 seasons. Being in the military and the more militant edge

I first encountered Stargate somewhere in the middle of season 4 or 5 (I'm still not sure, having not worked that far thru the DVDs yet.. I bought the whole set). And what I could get on TV here was spotty at best; frex, the local syndication channel skipped the entire Jonas season. Anyway, I've seen all of seasons 1, 2, 3; parts of 4/5/6; most of 8 and 9. And I've likewise seen about 2/3rds of the first 2 Atlantis seasons (and haven't got to the S1 DVDs I just picked up). Enough for a fair overview of the

I agree on all accounts. I too never really liked Weir, but the current actress is better than the original IMO. However, I still don't like her features. She reminds me of what Skeletor's daughter would have looked like. Yikes! Then again, this past episode, titled "Sunday", let out her feminine side and really softened the character to a likable level IMO.By the way, Tao of Rodney and Sunday are probably the best Atlantis episodes to date. If you get a chance, definitely check them out. Both are very hear

Season 10 is in mid-season hiatus. Just to confuse matters, the SciFi network often refers to the last episode before the hiatus as a "season finale" and the first episode after the hiatus as a "season premiere."According to the official website for SG-1 [scifi.com], new episodes are "coming soon." Looks like the UK already got to see episodes we're currently waiting for, if comments in the Gateworld forum [gateworld.net] are to be believed.

So far, I haven't been able to pin down an exact air date for the US. The Wikipedia entries