Talib Kweli sits down with MTV News to talk about a conversation he once had with Diddy back in the 1990s. During the interview, Talib remembers Puff stopping by a Lyricist Lounge event to confront him and Mos Def on the lyrics of “Children’s Story.”

Talib says that the song wasn’t referring to Diddy, but everybody in the business in general. “Mos was like ‘It wasn’t directed at you personally, it was directed at everything that’s going on in the business.’ That was one of the illest conversations I’ve ever seen.”