Channel log from 14 November 2008 (all times are UTC)

I know. when I saw that the macs at school had emacs and screen, it just made my day...I was the only one not using word :P

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sadly, I couldn't figure out how to print latex documents on it, so I had to use plain text :(

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<sbalneav>

Well, I've already run into something called "fink" which is a way to install ported GNU/Linux software onto the Mac.

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Ryan52: You like LaTeX?

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That was what I used all through University. Got the Lamport book?

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<Ryan52>

yes, though I make heavy use of google most of the time.

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I use it like 5 times a year.

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I'll look at that book, thanks.

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<sbalneav>

I've already installed OpenOffice.org, so all I need to do is enable printing sharing on my Linux box, and the cups on the mac should pick it up.

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I haven't, as yet, figured out how to mount an NFS volume.

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From the gui, I mean.

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sudo mount server:/home /local should work, but Jobs is already probably cringing at half of what I've done so far here this evening.

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<Ryan52>

hehe

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<sbalneav>

And mirablilis dictu, they at least INCLUDE THE INSTALL CD'S FOR ALL THE SOFTWARE with it. OSX, iLife, the works.

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So SOMEONE down in Cupertino's awake at the switch.

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I've gotten more interoperablility between this little mac mini in the last 2 hours than I EVER got out of windows.

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'Course, I stopped looking at MS products back at Windows98, so maybe they got better after I stopped caring :)

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<petre>

well, it is unix underneath

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<sbalneav>

Exactly

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Which is what makes it awesome.

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<filo1234>

hi all, is possible to configure client for to use usb pendrive in local?

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<Appiah>

Hello , I'm having a problem setting USE_LOCAL_SWAP does not seam to affect my clients at all

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filo1234: filo1234 have you tried localdev?

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<filo1234>

Appiah: localdev?

06:09

Appiah: what is it? :D

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<ogra>

its on by default on all recent ltsp5 implementations

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plugging in a usb key to a client should just work

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<Appiah>

oh

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nevermind then

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<filo1234>

ogra: maybe :)

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ogra: in my client if i plug an usb pen not run

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<ogra>

what distro

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<filo1234>

ogra: ubuntu 8.10

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<ogra>

definately works here

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<Appiah>

I have USE_LOCAL_SWAP=True and NBD_SWAP=False , but I still get a NBD and no local swap

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<filo1234>

fdisk -l doesn't see usb

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<ogra>

no, it wont

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its not a device on the server

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fdisk can only talk to devices on the server

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<filo1234>

ok

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<ogra>

usb keys from clients are forwarded through ltspfs over the net

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tehy should show up mounted under /media on the server (in the users session) after you plugged them in

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<filo1234>

uhm

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<Appiah>

maybe I should try a bigger size on the NBD instead >_>

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nbd0 receive control failed "-32"

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<filo1234>

ogra: uhm i have this problem : user client thin passwd thin if on server i logen in with user thin, usb is recognized on client

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<filo1234>

s/logen/logged

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<ogra>

you are aware that if you log in on the client, your desktop and all apps are runing on the server, right ?

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te only thing that runs on the client is the login window, everything past that is server side

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<filo1234>

ogra: ok ....

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ogra: but if i plug usb on client he not run

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<ogra>

so if you log in on a client and plug in a usb key after logging in, it should show up in /media if you open a gnome terminal in that session you see on the client

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<filo1234>

there isn't on /media i have look

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<ogra>

from the client ?

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i.e. in the desktop session

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<Appiah>

what does dmesg on the client say after you plugin the USB device filo1234 ?

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<filo1234>

ogra: on client there isn't in /media

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Appiah: now i try to look

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<ogra>

in the *session*

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the desktop session that starts after login on the client

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open a gnome terminal there

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there is no /media directly on the client

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<filo1234>

ogra: on the thinclient i open gnome-termnal and ls /media give only cdrom

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<ogra>

ah

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if you plug the usb key directly on the server, does it show up then ?

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<filo1234>

yes

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<ogra>

if you look at dmesg on the server after plugging in, does it talk about /dev/sdX1 or only about /dev/sdX ?

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<filo1234>

and if i logged in with thinclient user, on server ltsp, and i plug usb key on thinclient it work right

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<ogra>

you men you are logged in twice with the same user ? dont do that, that breaks

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*mean

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<filo1234>

no

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<ogra>

??

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* ogra doesnt understand

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<filo1234>

ogra: so on server i have configured user for thinclient called thin ok?

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<ogra>

you are logged in on the thin client and on the server, then you plug in your usb key on the client and you see it with the user logged in on the server

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?

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<filo1234>

yes

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<Appiah>

I made the /etc/ltsp/nbdswapd.conf with SIZE=128 and SWAPDIR defined, But my client still gets 32

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<Appiah>

Any ideas?

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<ogra>

filo1234, but you use two different users for that ?

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<filo1234>

ogra: I try to login on thinclient, connect the USB key and not see, I try to login on the server with the same user thinclient, connect the USB key and works on thinclient

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Italiano

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»

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Inglese

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<ogra>

so you are logged in twice with the same user

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<filo1234>

ogra: yes

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<ogra>

right, dont do that

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<filo1234>

but only for try

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ogra: normalyy nope

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ogra: normally on server i login with my account wich is diffrent from thinclient user

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<filo1234>

ogra: uhm ok i have reboot, so i see on thinclient /media/thin/usb

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<wigwam>

hi

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<filo1234>

ogra: isn't mounted :|

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<wigwam>

please, i'm using ltsp with rdesktop

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<filo1234>

ogra: i try later...thank for now :)

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<wigwam>

why xserver with rdp restarts periodicaly until user is logged in?

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<Appiah>

wigwam: timeout I'd guess

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its server side

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(Just guessing here)

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<wigwam>

Appiah: yes, i thought so

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ehm, sorry

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i think so

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<mattwalstonfromj>

After upgrading our distro, the clients black screen after showing the boot splash for a little while. Where should I start?

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<Appiah>

mattwalstonfromj: Xorg log

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<mattwalstonfromj>

client or server?

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<Appiah>

client..

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<selffik>

I am new user at ltsp. And i need to setup server for linux booting by PXE...for any devices, please offer what version is a better for it

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<cyberorg>

selffik, version of what?

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<rjune_>

chrisinaWORKPLAC: ping

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<selffik>

cyberorg, of LTSP

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<cyberorg>

selffik, ubuntu, debian, fedora and suse all now have ltsp5 integrated well

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<dmaran>

Morning all, anyone apply the latest login and passwd patches in Ubuntu 8.04 with LTSP-5? We get a little worried about these types of patches borking something up =)

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<selffik>

cyberorg, can you advice what a documentation i can used for that?

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<ogra>

!ubuntu

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<ltspbot>

ogra: "ubuntu" is a Debian based GNU/Linux distrubution that includes a Ubuntu specific version of LTSP. It can be found at http://www.ubuntulinux.org. to install ltsp on ubuntu: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPQuickInstall

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<ogra>

see the latter link for ubunu

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*ubuntu

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!debian

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<ltspbot>

ogra: "debian" is is a GNU/Linux based operating system that makes an excellent LTSP server. You can find it at http://www.debian.org. for information about LTSP on debian see http://wiki.debian.org/LTSP

It's got the fixed image, and I rewrote a bunch of little parts to change the name to K12Linux Quick Start Guide.

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The only thing I didn't change was the name of the package because I figured that would screw things up with Fedora

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<warren>

the package name is fine

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<pscheie>

long-term, though, I think it would be easier if the package can be renamed at some point, too

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<pscheie>

It could use a bit more refining yet, but if you need it today, now, this is good enough

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<brendan0powers>

rjune_: hi

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<rjune_>

brendan0powers: hello

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<brendan0powers>

rjune_ so your not feeling well?

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<rjune_>

no

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not going to work work either.

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<brendan0powers>

thats too bad

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<rjune_>

yeah

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<pscheie>

warren, I took out the last step, of removing the package via rpm -e because I regarded that as unnecessary in the context of a Quick Start Guide (QSG)

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<rjune_>

been trying to get sick for a week, finally got it

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<brendan0powers>

ha

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<rjune_>

all this fast living caught up with me

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<warren>

pscheie: yeah, I guess so.

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<pscheie>

warren, but also left in the step about deleting /etc/skel/Desktop/QSG *if* one wishes the file to not appear on the desktop of newly created users

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<warren>

pscheie: one problem with this, is it will reappear if there is a package upgrade

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<pscheie>

warren, if they don't rpm -e the package?

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<warren>

yes

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<pscheie>

ah, ok

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<sbalneav>

Morning everyone

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<pscheie>

that would only apply to cases where it's been installed to the hard drive

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<pscheie>

so, I'll try to restructure the doc so the rpm -e falls under that

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there's really just one sentence about installing to hard disk, since it's pretty simple

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but to an uninitiated that mightn't be apparent

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IOW, the 'install to hard disk, then follow the LTSP network setup steps below' path could be made more obvious

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That's what I mean when I say it could use a bit more refinement.

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<rjune_>

brendan0powers: if warran wants to call, chris has my phone number, can still talk later

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<warren>

I'll work more on it during the weekend

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pscheie: post a link to the latest .src.rpm in the bugzilla ticket

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<pscheie>

I can work on it some more tonight

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<warren>

k

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<selffik>

Hello! Simply question, I am already read the docs of LTSP, but i dont understand how can i add packages to thin client. For example i need to have access to thin client by SSH...its possible?

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<pscheie>

warren, is my RH Bugzilla login the same as my Fedora login?

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<selffik>

I am sorry, i am new user in it :)

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<warren>

pscheie: no

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pscheie: RH bugzilla is an e-mail address wiht a separate password

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<pscheie>

ah, right, got it

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<johnny>

selffik, you don't need to add packages to thin clients in most cases, just add them to the serve

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server*

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then are then enabled for the thin clients

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<pscheie>

warren, bugzilla updated

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<johnny>

why do you need to access thin client by ssh?

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<sbalneav>

johnny: Got the iPod working, just needed to turn on "Manage this iPod manually"

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<jcastro>

sbalneav: you shouldn't need to import anything

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<jcastro>

sbalneav: also, Banshee does transcoding to mp3 so you can keep your nice oggs on your PC and it will convert them to mp3 when you sync it for the ipod

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<sbalneav>

Is banshee on the mac?

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Or is that a linux thing?

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<jcastro>

linux thing

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but he has a new mac build out this release

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<sbalneav>

Ah, oh, I normally use rhytmbox

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<jcastro>

that'll work too

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<sbalneav>

It'll auto sync to mp3?

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Get outta town/

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<jcastro>

yep

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it's hot action

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<sbalneav>

Saweet.

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I'm liking the mac so far

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<nubae>

am a bit dissapointed with all the audio apps... they either crash out or have silly playlist methods... I've defaulted to using vlv

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vlc even

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<ogra>

erm, note that you need the gstreamer lame stuff for that

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else it wont know mp3 :)

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<selffik>

johnny, so if server already has a SSHD than thisclient also will has a SSHD

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?

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<sbalneav>

Well, so far it's not like it was a big issue: I've got the MP3's on the mac, I just couldn't seem to play 'em from iTunes.

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selffik: No, a thin client normally doesn't have sshd installed.

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You could install it within the chroot.

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<ogra>

hey, this is no apple support channel here

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:P

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<selffik>

sbalneav, How can i add SSHD to a client?

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<ogra>

!docs

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<ltspbot>

ogra: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream

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<sbalneav>

Oh, yeah, like we haven't suported EVER OTHER program in existence over the years.

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<ogra>

selffik, look in the docs

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<sbalneav>

I'm owed :)

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<sbalneav>

selffik: short answer:

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<nubae>

sudo chroot i386 apt-get install sshd

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<ogra>

selffik, it has a chapter about clint chroot mantenance

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<sbalneav>

yeah

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what nubae said :)

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don't forget ltsp-update-image

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<nubae>

probably needs repos though

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or is that installed by default these days?

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<sbalneav>

selffik: yeah, and the docs have examples too.

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<ogra>

interpid has all

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hardy doesnt

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<mattwalstonfromj>

Odd question... I have used ltsp for sometime and the performance is always a little lacking compared to the thin client's manufacturers rdp connection to a windows box... that said, are their any major performance enhancements that can be enabled? trusted network, don't really need encryption. any ideas?

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<nubae>

sbalneav: maybe u should teach the bot to spit out something about turning directx true

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:-)

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<johnny>

selffik, why do you want sshd in the thin client?

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<sbalneav>

!directx

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<ltspbot>

sbalneav: Error: "directx" is not a valid command.

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<johnny>

mattwalstonfromj, set LDM_DIRECTX=Y

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<selffik>

ogra, Chapter 6. The LTSP chroot environment this one?

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<ogra>

i think so

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<johnny>

selffik, hello

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selffik, you should mention why you want sshd in there

09:39

<sbalneav>

ltspbot: learn directx as If you want to turn off encryption to the workstation, which will speed up performance at the cost of security, you need to specify LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file. Type "!docs" in IRC to get a link to the current documentation

09:39

<ltspbot>

sbalneav: The operation succeeded.

09:39

<sbalneav>

!directx

09:39

<ltspbot>

sbalneav: "directx" is If you want to turn off encryption to the workstation, which will speed up performance at the cost of security, you need to specify LDM_DIRECTX=True in your lts.conf file. Type !docs in IRC to get a link to the current documentation

09:39

<selffik>

johnny, its for recovery mission, i want to login by ssh and have access to hard disk for recovery things

09:39

<nubae>

soon people's questions will all be answered with a ! :-)

09:40

<sbalneav>

nubae: You know, ANYONE can teach ltspbot new tricks, he doesn't just listen to me :)

09:40

<johnny>

selffik, the keys will change every time

09:40

<mattwalstonfromj>

!docs

09:40

<ltspbot>

mattwalstonfromj: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream

09:40

<nubae>

sbalneav: oh, I didnt know that

09:40

<johnny>

so you'll have to keep removing the keys from your known_hosts

09:40

<sbalneav>

I'm very egalitarian in the running of my bot :)

09:40

<selffik>

johnny, also i want to have a ntfs-3g driver on thin client that i can load from server images for different PCs

09:40

<nubae>

until someone abuses the bot somehow

09:40

<mattwalstonfromj>

nubae: thanks, i must have had read old docs... did not see mention of directx

09:41

<sbalneav>

Hasn't happened in 6+ years.

09:41

Besides what's the worse that can happen?

09:41

!monkeys

09:41

<ltspbot>

sbalneav: "monkeys" is SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

09:41

<sbalneav>

!s

09:41

<ltspbot>

sbalneav: "s" is Scotty!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

09:42

<nubae>

hehe, i guess...

09:42

<sbalneav>

The monkeys one is a personal jobe between me and jammcq

09:42

<selffik>

johnny, security here is not at first place

09:43

johnny, i am new user in it and i try to findout how i can realese my idea

09:44

<sbalneav>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_monkey_theorem

09:45

See the heading "Real Monkeys"

09:45

<Ahmuck>

can one "cluster" a number of machines for ltsp ?

09:47

<sbalneav>

Servers, you mean?

09:47

<selffik>

johnny, so can you advice me some?

09:48

<sbalneav>

There's some goodies within LDM to allow for a "load distribution" of servers, see the docks

09:48

err, docs

09:48

strgraber and fgiraldeau have worked on it.

09:48

<stgraber>

Ahmuck: https://wiki.stgraber.org/LTSP-Cluster

09:48

<johnny>

advise you some with what?

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09:53

<selffik>

johnny, what i need to read or how can i add sshd to thisn client

09:53

<sbalneav>

selffik: Install the ssh daemon, and you'd either need to set root's password within the chroot, or create another user within the chroot to log in as

09:53

selffik: we told you already

09:54

sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 apt-get install openssh-server

09:54

sudo ltsp-update-image

09:55

<Ahmuck>

stgraber: i was thinking something like a bewolf cluster of ltsp

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<Ahmuck>

where processing power is picked up from multple machines

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<sbalneav>

openssh-server's in main

09:55

and that's in there

09:55

selffik: as well:

09:56

http://www.ltsp.org/~sbalneav/LTSPManual.html#updating-chroot

09:57

<selffik>

sbalneav, great thx i will try!!

09:57

<alkisg>

stgraber, (sorry for interrupting), do you have any info in LTSP-cluster for 2 NIC servers and network load balancing? (e.g. bonding)

sbalneav, it say login incorrect, i am also have question, how can i go back to my root chroot?"

11:54

<ogra>

does the user you try to log in with exist on the server ?

11:55

<sbalneav>

yeah, and what do you mean by: how can i go back to my root chroot?

11:55

<ogra>

i think he asks for ctrl-d if he is chrooted :)

11:56

<selffik>

yeah ctrl-d ok :)

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<selffik>

so user should be add in server or in chroot?

11:58

<vagrantc>

server.

11:58

<notasysop>

hi all, im back with another stupid question

11:58

<vagrantc>

everything pretty much happens on the server

11:58

selffik: unless you're doing something unusual.

11:58

<notasysop>

if i had stuff to the server, do i have to recreate the image before it will go to the client

11:59

* ogra pokes https://launchpad.net/+builds .... still more than 8000 packages until i can bootstrap arm :(

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11:59

<rjune_>

ogra: I thought ebox was gonna be pushed in ubuntu

11:59

<notasysop>

like i installed x11vnc on the server, and in thin-client manager, when i click view screen, it says client needs x11vnc installed

11:59

<rjune_>

x11vnc needs to be installed into the thin client root

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<rjune_>

aka LTSPROOT

12:00

<ogra>

rjune_, there is a community team somewhere and i saw there was a meeting scheduled at UDS

12:00

<selffik>

So i added already some user and now its said Xsession: unable to start X session no /home/user/.xsession file

12:00

<rjune_>

UDS?

12:00

<notasysop>

is that a config file or a directory? LTSPROOT i mean

12:01

<rjune_>

ubuntu Developer Summit?

12:01

notasysop: directory

12:01

<ogra>

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDSJaunty

12:01

<rjune_>

it's what y our terminals attach to as their root fs

12:01

<mattwalston>

Upgraded from ubuntu 8.04 to 8.10. Now thinclients will boot and black screen hang upon starting X. What should I look at now and anyone got an easy way to see what is going on inside of the client before it freezes?

12:01

!docs

12:01

<ltspbot>

mattwalston: "docs" is For the most current documentation, see http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream

12:02

<notasysop>

ok, what about java runtime? same deal?

12:02

<rjune_>

ogra: would be really fantastic to see an linux stack that included LDAP+smb integration from the getgo

12:02

<ogra>

mattwalston, make sure that you properly wiped and rebuilt the client

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<rjune_>

notasysop: no clue there

12:03

<notasysop>

kk, i havent actually tried to run java in a browser on the client yet, just thought i'd ask before i installed

12:03

<johnny>

notasysop, thin-client-manager is umaintained

12:03

and i never got it to work either

12:04

you probably want italc

12:04

<notasysop>

it works as far as showing the processes, letting me kick users and all but just the view screen doesnt work

12:04

* ogra will take the time and remove the vnc stuff from it soon

12:04

<johnny>

yeah.. you want italc

12:04

<ogra>

t-c-m works fine for the rest

12:04

<johnny>

if you want view screen

12:04

<ogra>

yeah

12:04

<notasysop>

italc? is it a package in repo?

12:04

<ogra>

yes

12:04

<johnny>

yes

12:05

<notasysop>

ok. just so im clear about this.....

12:05

i dont have to rebuild the client image to get new things on the client if i put the files in LTSPROOT?

12:05

<mattwalston>

ogra: tried that and then did a clean install on server

12:05

<rjune_>

italc only works with terminals, right. not with a group of workstations?

12:05

<ogra>

rjune, works fine with both

12:06

<rjune_>

Oooo

12:06

cool

12:06

<ogra>

and the master interface is also available for windows

12:06

<rjune_>

nifty

12:06

<johnny>

notasysop, yes you do

12:07

<selffik>

ogra, So i added already some user and now its said Xsession: unable to start X session no /home/user/.xsession file

12:07

<notasysop>

ok, so if i have installed a bunch of new stuff i need to rebuild the image?

12:07

sorry im such a noob lol

12:07

<johnny>

notasysop, why would you install a bunch of new stuff in there?

12:08

you normally never need to install anything in there

12:08

<ogra>

notasysop, what did you install in the client chroot ?

12:08

<johnny>

just install it on the server

12:08

not in the chroot

12:08

and then you don't haveto rebuild anything

12:08

<notasysop>

ive never done anything to the chroot

12:08

<johnny>

maybe we need a ! that describes this..

12:08

then you don't have to rebuild anything

12:08

<notasysop>

ok awesome

12:08

<johnny>

only if you modify stuff in the chroot

12:08

<ogra>

you only need to run ltsp-update-image if you add packages to the chroot

I use that for my own TC at work and it's never failed me. Worked perfectly OOTB

12:48

(w/Hardy)

12:48

<six2one>

im just wondering what is wrong with either these terms from cli or my setup that keeps them from working

12:50

<Lns>

six2one: do you have a URL for those? I can't find anything on google

12:50

<CAN-o-SPAM_>

six2one ... it should work, maybe a re-install (?)

12:50

<six2one>

i have an ltsp install in a vm...ill give that a shot

12:50

<Lns>

six2one: also, what monitor are you using?

12:50

<six2one>

its a dell 19" wide.....1440x900

12:51

which is currently working great with some 533mhz edens

12:51

<Lns>

ok

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<mattwalston>

Ok... here is my current situation... 8.04 worked, 8.10 does not. If I set a screen to be a shell, login, X -configure, start the screen script for ldm it works. If I set a screen to ldm or allow the default, it does not work.

12:59

<Lns>

mattwalston: dumb question but i have to ask - did you rebuild the chroot?

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* Lns waves to alkisg

13:03

<alkisg>

Hey Lns, what's up? :)

13:04

Done any bonding? :P

13:04

<Lns>

alkisg: nada mucho =) Just eager to test out this Java workaround at my first school. They're using TypingMaster, which uses Java extensively. they werent' able to upgrade to the new version because of Java - which sucked because the new version has lots of fun games for the students

13:04

<mattwalston>

Lns: yes, but i am trying to get it to work by specifying in lts.conf

13:05

<ogra>

if you ran ltsp-build-client after upgrade you should really move the lts.conf out of the way first

13:05

<Lns>

mattwalston: so it doesn't work with no lts.conf? What's the TC hardware?

13:05

ogra: does the presence/content of lts.conf affect how ltsp-build-client behaves?

13:05

<mattwalston>

DevonIT cheap one... Via chipset

13:06

<ogra>

no, but how the clients behave :)

13:06

<Lns>

ogra: ;)

13:06

<mattwalston>

Lns: i think it has something to do with the detection process

13:07

<Lns>

mattwalston: sounds sane..try moving the lts.conf out of the way so it autodetects everything by itself

13:07

<ogra>

the detection is plainly done by xorg itself now, no more scripts by default

13:07

<mattwalston>

Lns: it doesn't

13:07

<Lns>

that's awesome

13:07

* Lns isn't sure then.. Via has always worked ok for me

13:08

<mattwalston>

ogra: I guess I should put an xorg.conf in chroot, rebuild and see if it works... don't really want to do that though, too many diffrent types of hw on this network

13:08

* Lns also doesn't use 8.10

13:08

<ogra>

mattwalston, can you creat a three line lts.conf:

13:08

<Lns>

mattwalston: you can probably specify the config in lts.conf for that particular client/class of client

13:08

<ogra>

[default]

13:08

SCREEN_07=ldm

13:08

SCREEN_02=shell

13:08

and check the Xorg.0.log in /var/log after a client boot ?

13:09

<mattwalston>

ogra: will do

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<ogra>

make sure there is nothing else in the lts.conf

13:09

and check what the errors are

13:10

i havent seen xorg having problems with a clean chroot from ltsp-build-client in 8.10 yet

13:10

<mattwalston>

also, can I maintain two images for same arch?

13:10

ogra: every thing I tried it on works fine except for these damn devices

13:11

<ogra>

yes, on different nbd ports

13:11

<mattwalston>

ogra: they need to be retired but boss is cheap... via eden 400mhz does not exactly make my users happy

13:11

<ogra>

oh ? it should

13:11

at least if it has a good amount of ram

13:12

i have seen 300MHz devices working fine

13:12

<alkisg>

ogra: in a lab xorg autodetection completely hanged all the clients. Had to do CONFIGURE_X=True to make them boot.

selffik: you'llh ave to give a bit more info though for more specific help

13:15

<ogra>

selffik, see the lts.conf i mentioned above ?

13:15

create one like that and you have a shell on tty2

13:16

<selffik>

ogra, i dont see your lts.conf

13:16

i have empty file

13:16

<ogra>

<ogra> [default]

13:16

<ogra> SCREEN_07=ldm

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<ogra> SCREEN_02=shell

13:16

<selffik>

ok i will try

13:16

thx

13:16

<ogra>

create one with these three lines in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386

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13:17

* Lns had to stop Frotz/Zork from launching automatically on SCREEN_02 because it would start hogging CPU :(

13:18

<warren>

Gadi: have you heard of Anat Cohen?

13:18

<alkisg>

talking about X - has anyone seen TFT screens... I don't know how to describe it, distorting the image, displaying it to the upper half-left of the screen with very dim colours after 10 minutes of inactivit?

13:18

<warren>

Gadi: Israeli musician, jazz

13:18

<alkisg>

*inactivity? I had to lower the resolution for them to work correctly... new ones, SyncMaster something

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<ogra>

the LCDs i work with nowadays are rarely above 7" :)

13:19

<alkisg>

ogra, how can you??? !!! :)

13:19

<ogra>

so i cant say much about SyncMaster's

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<alkisg>

I hope you don't have shortsight (if that's how it is called)

13:20

<ogra>

alkisg, the one i'm currently working with is 4" :)

13:20

on top of an arm board ...

13:20

<Lns>

7" really isn't that bad, as long as you aren't using anything above 800x480

13:21

<alkisg>

Duh... my kids nintento has a bigger screen!

13:21

<ogra>

nintendo should have about the same

13:21

4.2 or 4.5"

13:21

<alkisg>

Tried once to load opera in it, couldn't see anything

13:22

<six2one>

k, i did some tests...i have a vmware install of 8.04.1 64bit with ltsp 5 and it booted!

13:22

however my real server still wont budge....

13:22

the only difference that was made is that the prod server is more up to date

13:22

also there is a real switch between the two

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<Lns>

alkisg: Firefox F11/fullscreen works well (and small fonts) for me on my eee 701

13:27

<alkisg>

Lns, that's with 800x480?

13:27

<Lns>

six2one: so did you update the chroot after updating Ibex? As in, not just rebuilding but updating using -updates in chroot sources.list ?

13:27

alkisg: yea

13:27

<ogra>

Lns, -updates is in there by default

13:27

<Lns>

ogra: woo! ok nm

13:28

<ogra>

only in 8.10 though

13:28

<alkisg>

Lns, ok... arrrggg... gonna need glasses soon :P

13:28

<six2one>

im on 8.04.1

13:28

<Lns>

oh oh

13:28

jeez

13:28

<ogra>

on 8.04.1 you sould use --copy-sourceslist

13:28

* Lns needs glasses too ;)

13:29

<ogra>

and have -updates in the server's one

13:29

<Lns>

woah, the wiki looks totally different!

13:29

did ubuntu upgrade the wiki backend?

13:29

err..heh..canonical

13:30

<ogra>

looks normal to me

13:30

<Lns>

six2one: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/UpdatingChroot if you haven't updated the chroot after build

sbalneav: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.

15:25

<selffik>

!pastebot [default]

15:25

<ltspbot>

selffik: Error: "pastebot" is not a valid command.

15:25

<selffik>

LOCALDEV=True

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<sbalneav>

selffik: did you rebuild the client image with ltsp-update-image after you made the change to the udev rule?

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15:26

<selffik>

sbalneav, yes of course!

15:26

!pastebot

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<ltspbot>

selffik: "pastebot" is The LTSP pastebot is at http://pastebot.ltsp.org. Please paste all text longer than a line or two to the pastebot, as it helps to reduce traffic in the channel. A link to the content will be pasted in the channel.

"/proc mounted in chroot /opt/ltsp/i386, Unmounting." - That is awesome. Just ran into that today while updating. It's nice to know the little things like that exist to help sloppy admins like me. ;)

15:43

<sbalneav>

selffik: No, it's a non removable disk.

15:44

so != 1

15:45

<alkisg>

Lns, I've made a habbit out of this one, I never manually unmount /proc anymore! :)

15:46

<selffik>

sbalneav, so this is a right string ? ATTRS{removable}!="1"

15:46

<sbalneav>

right, that's saying that the removable attribute should != 1

15:46

If you want, you could say ATTRS{removable}=0

15:47

but it's the RUN+= part that's the problem.

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<selffik>

sbalneav, ok ok can you just write me how it will be rihgt string? i think its like that ACTION=="add", SUBSYSTEM=="block", ENV{ID_TYPE}=="disk", ATTRS{removable}!="1", RUN+="add_ltspfs_entry %k"

15:49

sbalneav, and in ltps.conf it [default] LOCALDEV=True

15:50

<sbalneav>

dude

15:50

look up at my comment at 15:29

15:50

RUN+="add_fstab_entry %k"

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<sbalneav>

Or, re look in the docs, I just updated the manual

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<selffik>

sbalneav, ok thx! and plz see at pdf this string is half and also not right!

15:57

<sbalneav>

Line probably needs to be split.

15:57

It's correct in the html

15:59

We need some better help text for ltsp-build-client

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<selffik>

sbalneav, its still not work, how should i see it because not a Desctop not in My computer also in "df" or "sfdisk" its not shows

16:01

<johnny>

te

16:01

<sbalneav>

It certainly won't show in sfdisk

16:02

what does /proc/mounts show?

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<johnny>

any kubuntu users around? or know if kubuntu 's lsb-release might show kubuntu in it?

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<johnny>

nubae, if so.. I think you should amend your fat client script to default to whatever is in lsb release

16:04

<sbalneav>

selffik: What do you have in /proc/mounts? I'm leaving in the next 15 minutes or so, if you want my help, you're going to have to respond faster.

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<selffik>

sbalneav, ok...i tryiny proc/mounts premission denied, when i am tryint to get su or type pass of my root at server it sais that wrong pass....

16:07

sbalneav, ok i will be fast, where to change pass :)

16:08

<Lns>

Does anyone have an objection to me adding a 'wishlist' bug for replacing and/or adding to the "LDM_GUESTLOGIN" an option to dynamically create temporary guest users, then nuke them & their homedirs after logout? This would aid greatly in large numbers of TCs' guest accounts (no need to add specific accounts for each TC if you don't need to keep files/etc around, also greatly reduces lts.conf file size/clutter with individual TC stanzas for guest login info)

16:09

<johnny>

the last thing you said isn't required

16:09

iirc i already told you this

16:09

i don't have any individual stanzas in lts.conf

16:09

<sbalneav>

selffik: Ok, first off, how's this disk formatted? Fat? Or ext2?

16:09

<Lns>

johnny: I don't remember you telling me that..?

16:10

<johnny>

it takes the hostname for username and pass

16:10

and then we got into the conversation about ssh keys

16:10

<Lns>

OH jeez that's right.

16:10

sorry

16:10

* Lns has a bad short-term memory ;)

16:10

<selffik>

NTFS and Ext2

16:10

<johnny>

i'd say in the past week counts as long term :)

16:11

<Lns>

johnny: well, the 'dynamic' accounts would still be a nice feature, to nuke any/all info regarding that account..of course that could probably be a real easy script upon logout too

16:11

<sbalneav>

Lns: it would pretty much be impossible to implement. Adding a user's a root operation, and we don't have root's passowrd, or even a guarenttee that root can log in via ssh

sbalneav, when i am installing Ubuntu on this HDD i am see NTFS and make image of the disk with ntfs-3g

16:13

* Lns googles... I'd love to see USB key/smartcard auth type stuff put into LDM, that would be SO cool.

16:13

<johnny>

if you want write you need ntfs3g .. which he mentioned mcuh earlier

16:13

<sbalneav>

Thought you needed the fuse ntfs thing to do that

16:13

<johnny>

no.. just for writing

16:13

but he knows about that already

16:13

<selffik>

sbalneav, this i want to do with thin client

16:13

<johnny>

selffik, you have to install ntfs3g into the chroot

16:14

<selffik>

johnny, so if i am install 3g than it will mount?

16:14

<johnny>

perhaps

16:14

<sbalneav>

if he wants to write to the disk, he's also going to need to hack up the add_fstab_entry script

16:14

<johnny>

it might require more magic

16:15

<sbalneav>

Right, so, I'm correct in saying, with LTSP, an ntfs disk isnt going to work out of the box.

16:16

does the disk NEED to be ntfs? Or can it be something else?

16:16

<selffik>

ok guys, why when i am install just ubuntu in this hard drive with NTFS partition...i can see it in Ubuntu and make some image with ntfs-3g? how can i do it by this THIn clien???

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<sbalneav>

Short answer: you can't easily

16:17

we haven't done any work to make localdevs work with NTFS

16:17

<selffik>

sbalneav, we dont run for easy, but need to go right way

16:17

<johnny>

selffik, it's harder

16:17

you have to spend time learning tho

16:17

<sbalneav>

You're going to have to modify LTSP to make that work.

16:18

I would either 1) reformat the disk to either Fat32, or ext2

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or 2) not use LTSP as the method to try to do this.

16:18

<selffik>

for example...Thinstation right away see this all partition...why LTSP cannot?

16:18

<johnny>

sbalneav, Lns : oddjob is a D-BUS service which performs particular tasks for clients which connect to it and issue requests using the system-wide message bus

16:19

<selffik>

So LTSP not universal than?

16:19

<johnny>

and then oddjob-mkhomedir : An oddjob helper which creates and populates home directories

16:19

<sbalneav>

Thinstations a commercial product, and they've probably done the work necessary to make ntfs work.

16:19

<alkisg>

johnny, but how are the homedirs going to be deleted after logoff?

16:19

<johnny>

alkisg, create another helper?

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<alkisg>

well, if it has hooks for logoff, it shouldn't be hard...

16:20

<selffik>

Now almost using NTFS for WIndows for example, i think its very good things

16:20

<Lns>

sbalneav: So it's all GPL code right? Why not get that code from them and at implement it at some point?

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<johnny>

selffik, just keep fighting

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but try to learn yourself..

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<sbalneav>

Lns: Be my guest.

16:21

<johnny>

wait.. so.. what are the benefits of thinstation over ltsp? or vice versa?

16:21

<selffik>

thinstation is free

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<sbalneav>

So, then use thinstation if it does what you need it to do.

16:22

<selffik>

Thinstations i dont like....because its only for rdesctop and etc...and many drivers are not suported....

16:22

<sbalneav>

ok, so reformat the disk to be ext2 then

16:22

<selffik>

but i like LTSP at this point and i think its will be good to add some of NTFS supply

16:23

<sbalneav>

It would be fantastic

16:23

* sbalneav looks around

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<sbalneav>

any volunteers?

16:24

* Lns volunteers the thinstation people ;)

16:24

<sbalneav>

I don't have a windows licence at home, and cant make ntfs volumes, so I've got no way to test/implement.

16:24

Sure, but I've never seen any patches from them.

16:25

If someone wants to have a look at their source code, figure out what changes we need, I'd be happy to apply them.

16:25

<selffik>

THE MAIN MY TASK: I want boot ubuntu by network PXE with windows system on HDD of this client and than do a recovery from image. Until all get know LInux like windows :)

16:25

<Lns>

I'd do it if I knew how. I'd help pay a bounty or something along with others who want to see it implemented though, if any coders would be willing to work for $$...

16:25

<sbalneav>

selffik: Then, as of right now, you can't do that with LTSP.

16:25

<Lns>

selffik: doesn't sysrescuecd/partimage do this?

16:25

<selffik>

my advanteges: is that i can do it remotely! and its will save much time

16:26

<Lns>

selffik: i think there's a project that already does this.

16:26

LTSP doesn't sound like the right fit for that goal IMHO

16:26

<alkisg>

selffik, there are ways to boot gparted etc over the network

16:27

LTSP is not about recovery

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<selffik>

YEAH its not for that i know, but later when i need to use thinclient for thinclient, why it shouldbe universal for that!???

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<sbalneav>

selffik: Well it CAN be universal, but not without some work on yours/somebody elses part.

16:29

You're saying you want something RIGHT NOW.

16:29

It's not there right now.

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<alkisg>

selffik, you may have a pxelinux (remote) menu with (1) remotely load LTSP, (2) remotely load thinstation, (3) remotely load sysrescuecd etc. You don't have to use LTSP for everything

16:30

<sbalneav>

Anywho, I've got to head home for the day.

16:30

<alkisg>

E.g. *I* wouldn't want LTSP to be universal, cause it would be heavier, and need more RAM or something

16:30

<Lns>

bye sbalneav !

16:30

<sbalneav>

I'll be on later tonight.

16:30

<alkisg>

g'night sbalneav

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<sbalneav>

see you all later.

16:30

<selffik>

sbalneav, bye

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<Lns>

selffik: what you're saying is simply that you'd like to see NTFS r/w support in LTSP....right?

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<Mip5>

Hey Gang, - I'm running ltsp edubuntu 8.04.1. I can get about 5 thin clients to work, but if I reboot them, they fail at the point: Waiting for the link-up on net0 ...ok. THey present their mac address address, then a series of dots, and then a boot failure message.

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16:41

<Mip5>

Oh ok - sorry about that!

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<Lns>

lol

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<vagrantc>

alkisg: awsome!

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* Lns dusts off #ltsp

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<ltsppbot>

"Mip5" pasted "syslog" (19 lines) at http://pastebot.ltsp.org/104

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<alkisg>

vagrantc, it's already doable, except for the hostnames

16:42

vagrantc, so in the future, we may have LTSP over http... :P

16:42

(I mean, non-local network)

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<Lns>

Mip5: is 192.168.0.248 your LTSP server?

16:43

I'm guessing not, which means remote syslog is enabled. Disable it like I told you and you should be fine.

16:43

<johnny>

sbalneav, you sure can make ntfs volumes

16:43

i've done it before

16:44

just install the existing ntfs packages.. -tools or -utils or whatever

16:44

<Mip5>

No - it's one of my thin clients.

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<johnny>

and you get a mkfs.ntfs

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<Mip5>

I'm hunting around, but can't recall how I enabled the remote syslog. Any ideas?

16:44

<johnny>

lts.cofn ?

16:44

lts.conf*

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<Mip5>

Cool - thanks.

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<johnny>

and also in your /etc syslog conf..

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you need remote on both sides

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<Lns>

Mip5: like I said before.. /etc/default/syslogd

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Mip5: and then /etc/init.d/sysklogd restart

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* Lns should probably nuke the remote syslog wiki page as it seems to break more than help

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<Mip5>

Cool - I'm able to reboot all the clients now. I'll try it twice - as that's usually when I know it's broken.

16:50

Thanks gang - this looks like it's working now.

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<Lns>

Mip5: awesome. =)

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<Mip5>

For the record - the only place I made the change to disable remote syslogd was by commenting out the file that Lns pointed out (and restarting syslogd). I didn't see any reference to it in lts.conf

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<Lns>

Mip5: there are stanzas in lts.conf that help TCs point to a specific SERVER/SYSLOG_SERVER (IIRC) but if you don't have that, it defaults to the LTSP server. The actual enabling/disabling of remote syslog is still in /etc/default/syslogd

16:54

<Mip5>

Cool - that helps. I only have one ltsp server at this time (but we'll be deploying at least 2 others at other sites if this goes well).

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<Lns>

Mip5: what's your setup? School?

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<johnny>

SUPERTERIFFIC

16:55

the kernel in proposed fixed my problems

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<Mip5>

Yes - actually several schools.

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<Lns>

Mip5: where abouts?

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<Mip5>

Western CO, USA

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<Lns>

Mip5: awesome. If you need any help with school-specific stuff lemme know. I'm admin'ing 7 LTSP elementary school labs and one after-school club, and more to come.

16:57

<Mip5>

Cooooool

16:57

I've just recently discovered IRC. I'm amazed by the knowledge and graciousness possessed by the community. It's really wonderful.

16:57

<Lns>

Mip5: it's definitely a difficult process getting it all going (at least, it was for me) - but once it's in place and stable...your staff will LOVE it.

16:58

Mip5: IRC is where it all happens. ;)

16:58

<Mip5>

Well - I'm psyched. I wish I knew more, but I'm learning...

16:58

<Lns>

Mip5: if you haven't seen it, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP - community Wiki with tons of great info

16:59

humbly maintained by me and others

16:59

<Mip5>

Neat! I've been using some of these resources. They have been *very* helpful.

17:00

I have a question about building new clients. - should I make a backup of previous clients/chroot environment, incase something goes wrong? Does that link provide a good workflow for the ongoing management of the TC environment?

17:00

<Lns>

Mip5: cool. Well KIT, it's always good to have a community of educational LTSP setups (#edubuntu is a great place for that as well). nubae is also a good contact for that.

17:02

Mip5: Not sure what you mean exactly - but yes, backing up your previous chroot is a good idea when making changes imho

17:04

<Mip5>

LNS - basically, I tried to get think-client-manager going, and got errors about needing to install x11vnc on the client

17:04

Given that I'm fairly new - I'd like a way to go back, if some new change I make breaks something that had been working.

17:05

<Lns>

Mip5: i wouldn't use that, it's better to use iTALC - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/iTalc

17:05

thin-client-manager is defunct

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<Mip5>

That's good to know - I haven't been able to get thin-client-manager to work!

17:06

<Lns>

Mip5: where did yo usee the docs for that? not on the wiki right?

17:07

<Mip5>

I'm sorry - I can't recall where I saw it. I might have just recalled seeing it in a previous version (Gutsy perhaps?)

17:07

<alkisg>

Lns, http://doc.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/handbook/C/ltsp-tcm.html

17:08

The whole edubuntu handbook should be updated, and maybe some parts moved to UbuntuLTSP...

17:09

<Mip5>

Yup - that's where I saw it - the handbook.

17:09

<Lns>

alkisg: agreed. I think the edubuntu handbook has even less regular maintenance than plain old ltsp..

17:09

it's hard because the edubuntu/ltsp split got some people confused, so there's fragmentation there

17:09

lots of scattered docs, etc.

17:10

<johnny>

it's actually not dfunct

17:10

Lns, it works fine..

17:10

<alkisg>

Lns, the bad thing is that many people think that edubuntu = ubuntu ltsp, and many of these old docs don't work now...

17:10

<johnny>

ogra is gonna cut out the x11vnc part

17:10

i use thin-client-manager here for blanking screens

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<alkisg>

johnny, why not italc for blanking screens?

17:11

<johnny>

so i don't have yet another service running?

17:11

i dont need any other functionality from italc

17:11

so why not keep using what works

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<alkisg>

but you have x11vnc running... how heavier is ica?

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<johnny>

no.. i don't

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<johnny>

x11vnc is going to be cut outof thin-client-manager

17:12

that's the part i don't use :)

17:12

<alkisg>

johnny, I may need some explaining here... how are you going to blank the screens without any service running?

17:12

<johnny>

i only use the blanking and disconnecting and process killing features :)

17:12

however thin-client-manager does it..

17:13

it doesn't run a service on the client

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* Lns sees a lot of worth in t-c-m as somewhat of a central ltsp control panel

17:13

<alkisg>

X magic, then?

17:13

<johnny>

probably

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<alkisg>

hmm... not bad!

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<Lns>

I would have loved to use the old ltsp administration console tools. they looked too cool (though probably not half the functionality of what you see these days)

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<Mip5>

Well thanks again gang. I'm going to head out. I'm glad I've got this going again. I'm hoping to deploy the week of T-giving, and was starting to get nervous....Peace

17:21

<Lns>

Well I'm out to get some food (finally)

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<Lns>

Mip5: good luck, stay in..blech

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<Lns>

have a good weekend all, i'm out for the day

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<selffik>

johnny: thx for helping, i think that SystemRescueCd exatly what i mean here...LTSP i will used for thinclient :)

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<sbalneav>

Evening all

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18:38

* ogra sighs

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<rjune_>

sup?

18:39

<ogra>

kernels are so painful

18:39

<rjune_>

yes they are

18:39

I think it's by design

18:39

<ogra>

heh

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<rjune_>

so is canonical hiring to make ubuntu-server not suck?

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<sbalneav>

rjune_: If that was a prelude to a job application, your delivery needs some work.

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<vagrantc>

sbalneav: the udev rules for ltspfs use ltspfs_entry add/remove rather than add_fstab_entry, remove_fstab_entry ...

Now, If I was an *sshole and a jerk, I'd point out to vagrant, who's (admittedly very mildly) poked me about backwards compatibilty, I'd point out the relatively small colour different between a certain pot and kettle.

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<petre>

warren, ping

18:55

<warren>

petre: pong

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<sbalneav>

But since I'm such a nice guy, I will remain utterly silent on the subject.

18:55

muahahahaha :)

18:56

<vagrantc_>

heh

18:56

<sbalneav>

NP, docs is easy to fix

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* vagrantc_ is sitting in a park surfing open wireless

18:56

<petre>

I'm going to build another package tonight with some changes to the QSG

18:56

<vagrantc_>

sbalneav: i think i missed your response :)

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<petre>

should I still refer to it as version 0.0.2?

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<ogra>

lucky you :)

18:57

<sbalneav>

how should I word it though. Im trying to be "cross platform" so I don't want to mention "intrepid"

18:57

<petre>

or should I increment it since I already posted a 0.0.2 src rpm to the bugzilla?

18:57

<sbalneav>

Well, there's no fun taking a poke at someone if they're not listening... :)

18:57

<ogra>

"in recent iterations of the code"

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<sbalneav>

Now, If I was an *sshole and a jerk, I'd point out to vagrant, who's (admittedly very mildly) poked me about backwards compatibilty, I'd point out the relatively small colour different between a certain pot and kettle.

18:57

<vagrantc_>

sbalneav: and i'd wear it like a badge :)

18:57

* sbalneav hugs vagrantc

18:57

<warren>

petre: incrementing never hurts

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<vagrantc_>

well, the reality is it *is* backwards compatible.

18:58

i made sure of that :)

18:58

<sbalneav>

ogra++ for that nice turn of phrase

18:58

<rjune_>

ogra: who do I need to talkt o?

18:58

<sbalneav>

that's what I'll put in.

18:58

<petre>

0.0.3 it is, then (or will be)

18:58

<ogra>

rjune_, me :)

18:58

<rjune_>

LOL

18:58

ok then.

18:59

Would you be interested in my resume?

18:59

<ogra>

sure, though that should go through our HR dept ... what about your ARM knowledge ?

18:59

<vagrantc_>

i spent much of today packaging gPXE for debian ... let's see if it gets anywhere :)

18:59

<rjune_>

nonexistant

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<vagrantc_>

rjune_: start installing with qemu-system-arm!

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<sbalneav>

hmmm

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<ogra>

have you done other embedded stuff before ??

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<sbalneav>

So, any super fantastic docbook experts here?

19:00

<rjune_>

I build routers for a living

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<ogra>

and you dont build them on ARM ?

19:00

<rjune_>

I archetected the distribution the company I work for is using

19:00

nope, we use x86

19:00

<ogra>

ah

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<rjune_>

I've done some work with PowerPC though

19:00

<sbalneav>

On the udev line in question, in the HTML, it's fine, but when it's a pdf, the line "runs off the end of the page"

19:01

<rjune_>

and a bit with LTSP

19:01

I do own a zaurus though

19:01

<ogra>

well, ARM is spethial :)

19:01

<rjune_>

and I have contributed to busybox. :-)

19:01

<ogra>

running linux on it ?

19:01

(teh zaurus)

19:01

<sbalneav>

Is there some pragma I need to specify, or do I just "manually break the line"

19:01

<rjune_>

ogra: as far as I know linux is all they use on the z

19:01

<ogra>

ah

19:02

sbalneav, buy a widescreen display :P

19:02

<sbalneav>

lol

19:02

That solution is so utterly wrong, and yet, if I implement it, I get a widescreen display out of it.

19:03

I like the cut of your jib, son!

19:04

There's a few other bad tags too. I should fix them up while I'm at it.

19:04

Also, time to merge in djohnstons and clibows doc work.

19:05

Looks like it's a docbook night tonight.

19:05

<selffik>

Hello again :) guys and girls, how can i change pass for root in chroot?