CHRISTMAS CAROL wrote:
Bet they open up another shop in a different name. Scumbags, how can you do this to another person, hope they get their comeuppance.

The Golden rule here is; Never part with the cash, until the job's been done, cos if they go bust, 'twill be no fun.

[quote][p][bold]CHRISTMAS CAROL[/bold] wrote:
Bet they open up another shop in a different name. Scumbags, how can you do this to another person, hope they get their comeuppance.[/p][/quote]The Golden rule here is; Never part with the cash, until the job's been done, cos if they go bust, 'twill be no fun.carnmountyouknowitmakessense

Not unusual for a double glazing company to "disappear" this time of year, they will be back shortly as tujon ltd or plc or bros etc to take a few years worth of cash then do it again. It invalidates all the warranties and clears all the debts..
although i had heard good things about the quality of their work

Not unusual for a double glazing company to "disappear" this time of year, they will be back shortly as tujon ltd or plc or bros etc to take a few years worth of cash then do it again. It invalidates all the warranties and clears all the debts..
although i had heard good things about the quality of their workwhateverhappened

I have been asked for minimum deposits before by companies but I will never pay a large lump sum up front, a company should be able to finance the work they are asked to carry out and then receive payment at the completion of the job.

I have been asked for minimum deposits before by companies but I will never pay a large lump sum up front, a company should be able to finance the work they are asked to carry out and then receive payment at the completion of the job.Vange Resident

CHRISTMAS CAROL wrote: Bet they open up another shop in a different name. Scumbags, how can you do this to another person, hope they get their comeuppance.

The Golden rule here is; Never part with the cash, until the job's been done, cos if they go bust, 'twill be no fun.

exactly, no chance of their wedge back now, its probably gone on a villa in the algarve..........an expensive lesson

[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma
kessense[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]CHRISTMAS CAROL[/bold] wrote: Bet they open up another shop in a different name. Scumbags, how can you do this to another person, hope they get their comeuppance.[/p][/quote]The Golden rule here is; Never part with the cash, until the job's been done, cos if they go bust, 'twill be no fun.[/p][/quote]exactly, no chance of their wedge back now, its probably gone on a villa in the algarve..........an expensive lessonpembury53

Reputable companies who have been continuously trading for over 30 Years without resorting to the go bankrupt/ rip off customers/ start up again with a slightly different name scheme, may charge slightly more and will only take payments in stages for conservatories, There are only a few of these about so do your research!

Reputable companies who have been continuously trading for over 30 Years without resorting to the go bankrupt/ rip off customers/ start up again with a slightly different name scheme, may charge slightly more and will only take payments in stages for conservatories, There are only a few of these about so do your research!w-jback

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then i would have gone to a more reputable well known company that did take cards, ok they might have been a higher quote but at least you would have a conservatory by now, the shop front, Name and company Logo don't do it for me either.

He explained: “I wanted to make the payment on my credit card, as it gives you some protection, but they insisted it had to be a bank transfer.
“They said their machine for taking card payments wasn’t working. Eventually, I reluctantly agreed.
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then i would have gone to a more reputable well known company that did take cards, ok they might have been a higher quote but at least you would have a conservatory by now, the shop front, Name and company Logo don't do it for me either.DogsMessInLeigh

The "Dears" are now running a company called "TU-SONS (UK) LTD" with a Registered address at 75 High road Benfleet.

This was set up at the end of July last year - I wonder if they've gone out of business also?

Companies House would suggest not.

Just a thought!

The "Dears" are now running a company called "TU-SONS (UK) LTD" with a Registered address at 75 High road Benfleet.
This was set up at the end of July last year - I wonder if they've gone out of business also?
Companies House would suggest not.
Just a thought!southendmike

This is awful for the Freedmans. Companies like this give the whole industry a bad name. People say "you get what you pay for" but in this case, it would seem that the price was not a bargain basement one. As a previous poster said, research is the key. All reputable double glazing companies will have an Insurance Backed Guarantee - a policy which covers the company going bust. The policy will also cover the deposit. Ask to see the schedule before you sign, as unscrupulous firms will falsely claim they have such a policy in place.

This is awful for the Freedmans. Companies like this give the whole industry a bad name. People say "you get what you pay for" but in this case, it would seem that the price was not a bargain basement one. As a previous poster said, research is the key. All reputable double glazing companies will have an Insurance Backed Guarantee - a policy which covers the company going bust. The policy will also cover the deposit. Ask to see the schedule before you sign, as unscrupulous firms will falsely claim they have such a policy in place.Thermoshield

My mum who is retired, was also ripped off by this company! She paid her deposit and they gave her the run around and now she has lost £500! Her deposit had an Insurance Backed Guarantee but that insurance company has change name three times in the last year and they will not return her deposit!

The other posts on here are correct in their assumption that Tujon are trading under a new name it is Trade Window Market Ltd (originally registered in the Two Johns names and now transferred to their wives names!) and funnily enough their previous company Energy Kare Glass Ltd went under too!

My mum who is retired, was also ripped off by this company! She paid her deposit and they gave her the run around and now she has lost £500! Her deposit had an Insurance Backed Guarantee but that insurance company has change name three times in the last year and they will not return her deposit!
The other posts on here are correct in their assumption that Tujon are trading under a new name it is Trade Window Market Ltd (originally registered in the Two Johns names and now transferred to their wives names!) and funnily enough their previous company Energy Kare Glass Ltd went under too!SunflowerMum

DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
This must be a pane in the glass for people that lost money.

they left themselves wide open.....'two johns' saw a window of opportunity and framed their hapless victims..

[quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote:
This must be a pane in the glass for people that lost money.[/p][/quote]they left themselves wide open.....'two johns' saw a window of opportunity and framed their hapless victims..pembury53

DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
This must be a pane in the glass for people that lost money.

they left themselves wide open.....'two johns' saw a window of opportunity and framed their hapless victims..

defo an open and shut case.

[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote:
This must be a pane in the glass for people that lost money.[/p][/quote]they left themselves wide open.....'two johns' saw a window of opportunity and framed their hapless victims..[/p][/quote]defo an open and shut case.DogsMessInLeigh

Vange Resident wrote:
I have been asked for minimum deposits before by companies but I will never pay a large lump sum up front, a company should be able to finance the work they are asked to carry out and then receive payment at the completion of the job.

Absolutely - If they wont accept a credit card for a deposit (should not be more than 10%) just refuse and go elsewhere.

The law does not protect the customer - never has.

The trouble is that anyone can set up a double-glazing or conservatory company. There is no entry cost as the components can be bought from big manufacturers.

This case should be reported to trading standards and the Company Directors name made public on TV complete with photographs.

[quote][p][bold]Vange Resident[/bold] wrote:
I have been asked for minimum deposits before by companies but I will never pay a large lump sum up front, a company should be able to finance the work they are asked to carry out and then receive payment at the completion of the job.[/p][/quote]Absolutely - If they wont accept a credit card for a deposit (should not be more than 10%) just refuse and go elsewhere.
The law does not protect the customer - never has.
The trouble is that anyone can set up a double-glazing or conservatory company. There is no entry cost as the components can be bought from big manufacturers.
This case should be reported to trading standards and the Company Directors name made public on TV complete with photographs.paulatepc

I don't like to see anyone ripped off but our senior citizens seem to be particularly vulnerable which makes it even more upsetting. In my opinion such dishonesty should be seen as a criminal act and treated accordingly. The consumer protection we so often hear about hardly exists. Life seems to have become a minefield of scams and moral destitution.

I don't like to see anyone ripped off but our senior citizens seem to be particularly vulnerable which makes it even more upsetting. In my opinion such dishonesty should be seen as a criminal act and treated accordingly. The consumer protection we so often hear about hardly exists. Life seems to have become a minefield of scams and moral destitution.Bolloximian

I worked for this company some years ago when it seemed pretty reputable. I ended up taking it to court for unfair dismissal when they tried to change me from being employed to self-employed which was illegal, and they brought in Colin Dear who eventually became director of the company that has ripped so many people off.. There have been various different company names since, to avoid paying debts. And the various Tujon companies have had debts to many suppliers & workers for years. I really feel for the poor people who have lost their money & I don't think there is any chance they will get that back. Employees also haven't been paid & feel sick about what has happened as they had no idea. I worked in the double glazing/conservatory business for years & have heard horror stories about most companies - thankfully I am now professionally qualified in a different industry. I was often horrified at the things that went on & couldn't wait to get out. I will say that when my 85 year old aunt wanted her windows replaced, I advised her to go to Thermoshield. I have never worked for them, have no connection to them, but I knew they had a good reputation & I was happy with them. Obviously the Tujon customers are now out of pocket, but I would suggest going to Thermoshield to get the job finished. They aren't the cheapest but they seem honest & you will have to pay them, but at least you will get the job done. No-one will be able to contact the "new" Tujon director because it is a fake person who does not exist. Colin Dear has done a despicable thing & John Keane & John Turnbull are still implicit in this as far as I know.

I worked for this company some years ago when it seemed pretty reputable. I ended up taking it to court for unfair dismissal when they tried to change me from being employed to self-employed which was illegal, and they brought in Colin Dear who eventually became director of the company that has ripped so many people off.. There have been various different company names since, to avoid paying debts. And the various Tujon companies have had debts to many suppliers & workers for years. I really feel for the poor people who have lost their money & I don't think there is any chance they will get that back. Employees also haven't been paid & feel sick about what has happened as they had no idea. I worked in the double glazing/conservatory business for years & have heard horror stories about most companies - thankfully I am now professionally qualified in a different industry. I was often horrified at the things that went on & couldn't wait to get out. I will say that when my 85 year old aunt wanted her windows replaced, I advised her to go to Thermoshield. I have never worked for them, have no connection to them, but I knew they had a good reputation & I was happy with them. Obviously the Tujon customers are now out of pocket, but I would suggest going to Thermoshield to get the job finished. They aren't the cheapest but they seem honest & you will have to pay them, but at least you will get the job done. No-one will be able to contact the "new" Tujon director because it is a fake person who does not exist. Colin Dear has done a despicable thing & John Keane & John Turnbull are still implicit in this as far as I know.Dawn545

DogsMessInLeigh wrote:
use a credit card, you can claw your loss back.

He offered to do that but they told him the machine was broken.

That would have flashed my warning light straight away.

[quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote:
use a credit card, you can claw your loss back.[/p][/quote]He offered to do that but they told him the machine was broken.
That would have flashed my warning light straight away.Kim Gandy

f5ck Da Law! wrote:
Bet they wish they bought a nice holiday now instead, because the conservatory plan has gone out the window.

Stop thumbs upping your own quotes.

What do you care. You're always bragging about ripping people off anyway. If we are to believe you, you spend your life nicking stuff which the rest of us end up paying for so why should anybody value your opinion - except you of course.

Why don't you just do one and take your pointless comments elsewhere.

Go and glorify your life of crime on the Guardian or Daily Mirror websites. They're all lefties so they should welcome your sort with open arms

[quote][p][bold]f5ck Da Law![/bold] wrote:
Bet they wish they bought a nice holiday now instead, because the conservatory plan has gone out the window.[/p][/quote]Stop thumbs upping your own quotes.
What do you care. You're always bragging about ripping people off anyway. If we are to believe you, you spend your life nicking stuff which the rest of us end up paying for so why should anybody value your opinion - except you of course.
Why don't you just do one and take your pointless comments elsewhere.
Go and glorify your life of crime on the Guardian or Daily Mirror websites. They're all lefties so they should welcome your sort with open armsKim Gandy

All above are recommended sites to find specialists. Why don't people research these things? It would save them a lot of heartache.

I wouldn't consider employing tradesmen until I had thoroughly vetted and checked them out through a reputable organisation's website.

http://www.mybuilder
.com/
http://www.trustmark
.org.uk/
http://www.fmb.org.u
k/
All above are recommended sites to find specialists. Why don't people research these things? It would save them a lot of heartache.
I wouldn't consider employing tradesmen until I had thoroughly vetted and checked them out through a reputable organisation's website.Kim Gandy

All above are recommended sites to find specialists. Why don't people research these things? It would save them a lot of heartache.

I wouldn't consider employing tradesmen until I had thoroughly vetted and checked them out through a reputable organisation's website.

You wouldn't need a builder as your council flat is paid for by all of us lot...

[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote:
http://www.mybuilder
.com/
http://www.trustmark
.org.uk/
http://www.fmb.org.u
k/
All above are recommended sites to find specialists. Why don't people research these things? It would save them a lot of heartache.
I wouldn't consider employing tradesmen until I had thoroughly vetted and checked them out through a reputable organisation's website.[/p][/quote]You wouldn't need a builder as your council flat is paid for by all of us lot...carnmountyouknowitmakessense

Vange Resident wrote: I have been asked for minimum deposits before by companies but I will never pay a large lump sum up front, a company should be able to finance the work they are asked to carry out and then receive payment at the completion of the job.

Absolutely - If they wont accept a credit card for a deposit (should not be more than 10%) just refuse and go elsewhere. The law does not protect the customer - never has. The trouble is that anyone can set up a double-glazing or conservatory company. There is no entry cost as the components can be bought from big manufacturers. This case should be reported to trading standards and the Company Directors name made public on TV complete with photographs.

get matt alwright on the case..... 'rogue traders' what a great show ! would really look forward to a castle point edition featuring the 'two johns' that would be awsesome....

[quote][p][bold]paulatepc[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Vange Resident[/bold] wrote: I have been asked for minimum deposits before by companies but I will never pay a large lump sum up front, a company should be able to finance the work they are asked to carry out and then receive payment at the completion of the job.[/p][/quote]Absolutely - If they wont accept a credit card for a deposit (should not be more than 10%) just refuse and go elsewhere. The law does not protect the customer - never has. The trouble is that anyone can set up a double-glazing or conservatory company. There is no entry cost as the components can be bought from big manufacturers. This case should be reported to trading standards and the Company Directors name made public on TV complete with photographs.[/p][/quote]get matt alwright on the case..... 'rogue traders' what a great show ! would really look forward to a castle point edition featuring the 'two johns' that would be awsesome....pembury53

All above are recommended sites to find specialists. Why don't people research these things? It would save them a lot of heartache.

I wouldn't consider employing tradesmen until I had thoroughly vetted and checked them out through a reputable organisation's website.

You wouldn't need a builder as your council flat is paid for by all of us lot...

I do not live in a council flat you moron.

You know nothing about me.

I have never lived in a council flat in my life, not that that would be a problem. And most people who do, pay for their own rent anyway.

How dare you assume what sort of property I live in?

It makes me laugh how the morons on here make assumptions about my home, my job, my life and my relationships when not one single one of you has any idea who I actually am.

[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma
kessense[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote:
http://www.mybuilder
.com/
http://www.trustmark
.org.uk/
http://www.fmb.org.u
k/
All above are recommended sites to find specialists. Why don't people research these things? It would save them a lot of heartache.
I wouldn't consider employing tradesmen until I had thoroughly vetted and checked them out through a reputable organisation's website.[/p][/quote]You wouldn't need a builder as your council flat is paid for by all of us lot...[/p][/quote]I do not live in a council flat you moron.
You know nothing about me.
I have never lived in a council flat in my life, not that that would be a problem. And most people who do, pay for their own rent anyway.
How dare you assume what sort of property I live in?
It makes me laugh how the morons on here make assumptions about my home, my job, my life and my relationships when not one single one of you has any idea who I actually am.Kim Gandy

LinfordsLunchbox wrote:
Like BETTERVIEW, do shoddy work then change your name so you dont have to honour any of the insurance policies when the structures fall down

Have Betterview gone - drove past their works in Wickford and note it was all shut up.

Interesting because i did some plumbing at the new directors house in Ashindon a couple of weeks ago - its 6 bedrooms with stables on about 4 acres of land.

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[quote][p][bold]LinfordsLunchbox[/bold] wrote:
Like BETTERVIEW, do shoddy work then change your name so you dont have to honour any of the insurance policies when the structures fall down[/p][/quote]Have Betterview gone - drove past their works in Wickford and note it was all shut up.
Interesting because i did some plumbing at the new directors house in Ashindon a couple of weeks ago - its 6 bedrooms with stables on about 4 acres of land.
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f5ck Da Law! wrote:
Bet they wish they bought a nice holiday now instead, because the conservatory plan has gone out the window.

Stop thumbs upping your own quotes.

What do you care. You're always bragging about ripping people off anyway. If we are to believe you, you spend your life nicking stuff which the rest of us end up paying for so why should anybody value your opinion - except you of course.

Why don't you just do one and take your pointless comments elsewhere.

Go and glorify your life of crime on the Guardian or Daily Mirror websites. They're all lefties so they should welcome your sort with open arms

I'm just one mean person!

[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]f5ck Da Law![/bold] wrote:
Bet they wish they bought a nice holiday now instead, because the conservatory plan has gone out the window.[/p][/quote]Stop thumbs upping your own quotes.
What do you care. You're always bragging about ripping people off anyway. If we are to believe you, you spend your life nicking stuff which the rest of us end up paying for so why should anybody value your opinion - except you of course.
Why don't you just do one and take your pointless comments elsewhere.
Go and glorify your life of crime on the Guardian or Daily Mirror websites. They're all lefties so they should welcome your sort with open arms[/p][/quote]I'm just one mean person!Southend Shoplifter

All above are recommended sites to find specialists. Why don't people research these things? It would save them a lot of heartache.

I wouldn't consider employing tradesmen until I had thoroughly vetted and checked them out through a reputable organisation's website.

You wouldn't need a builder as your council flat is paid for by all of us lot...

I do not live in a council flat you moron.

You know nothing about me.

I have never lived in a council flat in my life, not that that would be a problem. And most people who do, pay for their own rent anyway.

How dare you assume what sort of property I live in?

It makes me laugh how the morons on here make assumptions about my home, my job, my life and my relationships when not one single one of you has any idea who I actually am.

Doesn't stop you making assumption though does it Kimmy dahlink?

[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]carnmountyouknowitma
kessense[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote:
http://www.mybuilder
.com/
http://www.trustmark
.org.uk/
http://www.fmb.org.u
k/
All above are recommended sites to find specialists. Why don't people research these things? It would save them a lot of heartache.
I wouldn't consider employing tradesmen until I had thoroughly vetted and checked them out through a reputable organisation's website.[/p][/quote]You wouldn't need a builder as your council flat is paid for by all of us lot...[/p][/quote]I do not live in a council flat you moron.
You know nothing about me.
I have never lived in a council flat in my life, not that that would be a problem. And most people who do, pay for their own rent anyway.
How dare you assume what sort of property I live in?
It makes me laugh how the morons on here make assumptions about my home, my job, my life and my relationships when not one single one of you has any idea who I actually am.[/p][/quote]Doesn't stop you making assumption though does it Kimmy dahlink?ThisYear

LinfordsLunchbox wrote:
Apparently theres 190 building firms registered to dale farm, surely 1 of them must be reputable?

The firm mentioned seems not to be one of those...does that make it reputable?

I think your user name suits you..for you surely are one.

[quote][p][bold]LinfordsLunchbox[/bold] wrote:
Apparently theres 190 building firms registered to dale farm, surely 1 of them must be reputable?[/p][/quote]The firm mentioned seems not to be one of those...does that make it reputable?
I think your user name suits you..for you surely are one.ThisYear

I got ripped off for £8K by a Rochford double glazing firm - they did about £12K of damage to the property as well. When I started to sue them they sent me really nasty, vile death threats (fortunately the police were really helpful) but it turned out they didn't have enough money to make it worth taking them to court. They couldn't even have covered my legal fees, let alone the £20K for refund and repairs. All I can really do is keep telling everyone locally to stay away from that bunch of cowboys.

I got ripped off for £8K by a Rochford double glazing firm - they did about £12K of damage to the property as well. When I started to sue them they sent me really nasty, vile death threats (fortunately the police were really helpful) but it turned out they didn't have enough money to make it worth taking them to court. They couldn't even have covered my legal fees, let alone the £20K for refund and repairs. All I can really do is keep telling everyone locally to stay away from that bunch of cowboys.NatalieSayer