There's always going to be gullable people who think there's some higher force or group at work behind things that happen. Pro tip: sometimes things just happen. Sometimes there's no conspiracy.

The only religious conspiracies out there now are the lies spread by each religion's gospel, and the fact that they hide the evidence of when priests molest kids. I'm sure this "the Illuminati is among us" nonsense sells movies and books to gullable people, but it's a bunch of bs just like everything else religious.

that first thing... explain? you know who owns the economy owns the world? You know we're living in a capitalist society that's exploiting the workers? but a lot of things are not orchestrated for a reason, they do just happen.

And way to slander religion, that's very superior of you. what do you have to say about sacred teachings of eastern religions like Taoism and Buddhism? There's no evidence of a satanic cult really, There's signs of it but not enough to put a tin foil hat on and shout illuminati at everything that happens, but members of government and the elite shall we call them remain the same and they are psychopathic and they have worked their way up to the top either through family bloodlines or deceit. You live in a bit of a made up world if you're naive enough to believe the world is all fairies, pretty colours and good willing government factions that aren't manipulated, deceitful and evil. That's gullible.

Kid, please. You can throw out all the red herrings about the governmental complex all you want. You're just detracting away from the topic at hand, which is that there is no magical gathering of people controlling the entire world through religious beliefs and practices. That's fanciful dreamer thinking. You're just looking for an excuse for why you can't get ahead in life, and are looking for some weak explanation for how your meaningless existance must be held down by some powerful group of people. Otherwise, you'd totally be living an amazing life if not for them. . .not just sitting on your computer complaining about how everyone who's faster, stronger, and smarter than you must be lying and cheating to get ahead of you, rather than just being better and less lazy than you are.

It's pathetic that you seriously think a bunch of "psychopaths" (btw, very noble of you, bashing an entire group of people like that. Very "superior" of you!) run the country when every little blip of aggression gets hammered down, arressted and thrown in prison. Cowards who were already rich before you were born and stay ahead by throwing their money around through paid third parties are who run things. In essence, you hate money, the physical and idealogical manifestation of reward for work. You hate the system, because you weren't born into a bunch of money like almost everyone who's rich now did. You're jealous, and angry because you can't have the same things without having to actually work for it. So you're looking for an excuse.

Reality check: Put the effort in, you'll get ahead. Will you be super rich? Probably not. Then again, not every human being is actually worth a lot. Most likely including you. It's a fact of life that you need to deal with.

pro tip - the matrix was a metaphor, you are conditioned to be submissive and you refuse to connect yourself back to who you really are because you're all lost in a fictional system of control. You're human batteries. The illuminati have never been proven to exist but who even cares? that's not important.

I don't care about the storyline of some sci fi movie you took way too seriously.

The subject of illuminati is "important", since that's what the discussion is about. Otherwise, you shouldn't even be posting here. Find a different thread to post in if it's not important to you.

Excuse me? What exactly is your problem? Why must you try to attack somebody to prove your point? I don't see the reasoning in calling someone's life non existent when you live with the attraction and attachment to fictional money that grossly empowers the few and ensnares humanity to maintain capitalism. Yes I grew up terribly, and from young I knew money centered peoples actions and left them in debt or feeling empty... Its just a distraction. I don't have enough to say because I don't know you and I don't need to defend myself from someone who doesn't know me. But why should I promise my gift of life on this planet in to working for capitalism? I have my own path you're still stuck in a system of control, conformist, how about living your own life and stop thinking so negatively and materialistic.

My problem is you trying to claim anyone who disagrees with you is "naive" and "living in a made up world". Your opinion isn't that special, nor is it well-informed. You're half right, in that the people at the face of everything aren't always who make all the decisions (money, alliances, friendships, etc, all motivate major decisions), yet you fall flat on your face when you try to put a name and a face to it.

To throw a little ex post facto on this, you're also broad brushing me in your reply by calling me a "conformist", and calling me "materialistic". You're acting extremelty pretentious, elitist, and paranoid. Again, not everyone who disagrees with you is "naive" or a "conformist". It's called being realistic.

Point is, there are no magical factions or "psychotics" who are running everything. Not everything is a conspiracy. if you want to be a hippy and live off the land, or off in a cave somewhere, or in a box in an alley to be away from society since you refuse to "work for capitalism", then be my guest. Not only will I not miss you, nobody else will either. The sooner you learn that when you aren't born into money that you're forced to work to fit in to what society is present to you, the sooner you'll live a happier life. Is it perfect? Obviously not. But acting like the world's out to get you is a sure fire way to get you nowhere fast.

As for why I bumped the thread, I don't come here every single day. I usually log here once a every two or three weeks maximum. I log on, and I see that my post was quoted, so I replied to it. I didn't bother looking at the timestamp since it's irrelevant to me. Hopefully my my expedient reply this time is more suitable for you.

you can change your reality, since ours is just what we tell each other it is. I don't get enjoyment out of being in a rat race chasing money, it is important, but it's not my desire and i refuse to believe that it centers our true reality. I also said not everything is a conspiracy I don't listen to people like Alex Jones or David Icke and believe everything they tell me because that would be naive... I do think people are heading in the wrong direction, becoming disconnected from the importance of their life surrounded by nature and beauty and instead just become radiators for negative energy and pessimism.

My attitude to life is rather one of seeking inner peace and the external world at current is a blockade to finding that which really makes you happy, how is anyone to know if a faction purposely dictates what we see and hear so that we constantly try to get something out of the world rather than becoming harmonious with it? I'm not being paranoid, I just don't believe people have been born with absolute free will, like you said with money, if you are not born with it you are not free and those that are born with it let it consume them, so who is free?

but let me decide how to live a happier life as it is different to yours.

You are free, but certain choices will get you thrown in jail. To operate in a society with rules, you have to follow them. You have a choice whether or not to take part in it. Of course, there isn't a lot of places you can go if you choose not to. But you have the choice not to. It just isn't a fun one.

For me, I accept the fact that I'm either forced to work for a richer person who does next to none yet reaps most of the benefit, or struggle to create my own business to sell crap or a service to people to get my pieces of paper so that once I'm not working, I can do what I want. Do I like it? Not really. But I realize the alternative is pretty much to either be a bum or be in jail.

You have to work to be able to do what you want in your down time. It's not reallly a big deal. On the bright side, we get the reap the benefits of people who have created electricity, plumbing, etc. Those things were incredibly difficult to invent, yet they're pretty cheap to afford. We also don't have to go hunt for our food anymore. We can just work for a day then go to the store and get everything we want for the month. It's easier, and less of a pain in the ass than some think. Imo anyway.

I'm not trying to tell you how to live either, just telling you my opinion. I don't like everything about society, but on the whole, it's easy enough.

It depends on the individual. Some are just sheeps folowing their shepard who leads them in slavery. It's scary that we can't do nothing to stop them only to infrom others and gether knoledge. You can't fool those who are smart and thinks with their own head. Also it's pretty bad that they got all this latest technology and genetic enginering that can abuse to control people. Therefore it's dangerous gettin vaccinated.
In general those people are pshychopats who are willing to do everything in their power to prevail in dominate. But in the end they'll fall and their drop will be large and painfull. The most inportant they're fighting for your mind so don't allow them to affect you. You've got internet that can't be controlled yet.

It depends on the individual. Some are just sheeps folowing their shepard who leads them in slavery. It's scary that we can't do nothing to stop them only to infrom others and gether knoledge. You can't fool those who are smart and thinks with their own head. Also it's pretty bad that they got all this latest technology and genetic enginering that can abuse to control people. Therefore it's dangerous gettin vaccinated.
In general those people are pshychopats who are willing to do everything in their power to prevail in dominate. But in the end they'll fall and their drop will be large and painfull. The most inportant they're fighting for your mind so don't allow them to affect you. You've got internet that can't be controlled yet.

Sure they do, but my opinion is that in the West they have at least little more difficult job because of information that are avliable on every step. Therefore they're putting much more effort to control our mind.

The Illuminati makes a good subject for popular culture, but I doubt any rational person can refute that we are heading towards a one-world government.

we are there. the superpowers do not allow democracy in singular countries, any stable system of democracy where freedom is apparent is toppled. most of the oppressive regimes in place worldwide and sudden invasions have a pretext of "they have WMD's" or "they're jealous of our freedom" but really they want to destabilize the economy and take control. very few countries have real democracy's.

all this conspiracy stuff makes my head hurt. and it seems the Moriarty of the thread does't believe in the Illuminati. As for myself, I don't believe either. but that goes for most conspiracys 99 percent bull 1 percent uhh I don't know.

all this conspiracy stuff makes my head hurt. and it seems the Moriarty of the thread does't believe in the Illuminati. As for myself, I don't believe either. but that goes for most conspiracys 99 percent bull 1 percent uhh I don't know.