Chinese state-run media revealed for the first time this week that Beijings nuclear submarines can attack American cities as a means to counterbalance U.S. nuclear deterrence in the Pacific.

On Monday, leading media outlets including China Central TV, the Peoples Daily, the Global Times, the PLA Daily, the China Youth Daily and the Guangmin Daily ran identical, top-headlined reports about the awesomeness of the People's Liberation Army navys strategic submarine force.

This is the first time in 42 years since the establishment of our navys strategic submarine force that we reveal on such a large scale the secrets of our first-generation underwater nuclear force, the Global Times said in a lengthy article titled China for the First Time Possesses Effective Underwater Nuclear Deterrence against the United States.

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, Chinese missiles were greatly limited in terms of their range and accuracy. But as journalist Richard Poe noted in 2003, Thanks to Bill Clinton, China can now hit any city in the USA, using state-of-the-art, solid-fueled missiles with dead-accurate, computerized guidance systems and multiple warheads.

Poe explains that the Clinton administration willingly permitted China to obtain the technology necessary for this giant leap forward. In part this was due to Clintons globalist view of international relations, where “multipolarity” — the notion that a balance of power among nations is preferable to the existence of a single superpower — is the ideal. Acting out of that mindset, Clinton appointed the anti-nuclear activist Hazel OLeary as his Energy Secretary. A self-identified advocate of “leveling the playing field” in terms of miltary capacity, OLeary declassified some 11 million pages of military data; she also loosened security procedures at U.S. weapons labs. According to Poe, Federal investigators later concluded that China made off with the ‘crown jewels’ of our nuclear weapons research under Clintons open-door policy — probably including design specifications for suitcase nukes.

But declassification was not the only means by which President Clinton transferred missile technology and nuclear secrets to the Chinese. He also permitted those secrets to be sold directly to Beijing. Poe elaborates:

“In his book The China Threat, Washington Times correspondent Bill Gertz describes how the system worked. Defense contractors eager to sell technology to China poured millions of dollars into Clintons campaign. In return, Clinton called off the dogs. Janet Reno and other counterintelligence officials stood down while Lockheed Martin, Hughes Electronics, Loral Space & Communications and other U.S. companies helped China modernize its nuclear strike force.

“’We like your president. We want to see him reelected,’ former Chinese intelligence chief General Ji Shengde told Chinagate bagman Johnny Chung.

“Clintons top campaign contributors for 1992 were Chinese agents; his top donors in 1996 were U.S. defense contractors selling missile technology to China.

“Clinton recieved funding directly from known or suspected Chinese intelligence agents, among them James and Mochtar Riady who own the Indonesian Lippo Group; John Huang; Charlie Trie; Ted Sioeng; Maria Hsia; Wang Jun and others.”

In a related move, Clinton in 1997 awarded a 25- to 50-year contract to Hutchinson Whampoa Ltd., a Hong Kong-based shipping firm with ties to Communist China’s government and its People’s Liberation Army. The contract authorized Hutchinson to control the two major ports on the Panama Canal’s Atlantic and Pacific entrances. As Senator Trent Lott put it:

This administration is allowing a scenario to develop where U.S. national security interests could not be protected without confronting the Chinese communists in the Americas. U.S. naval ships will be at the mercy of Chinese-controlled pilots and could even be denied passage through the Panama Canal by Hutchinson, an arm of the People’s Liberation Army. In addition, the Chinese Communist Party will gain an intelligence information advantage by controlling this strategic chokepoint. It appears that we have given away the farm without a shot being fired.

Noting the ominous implications of this, Richard Poe observed: China can now strike U.S. targets easily from their bases in Panama, Vancouver and the Bahamas.

That's one of those things that is a historical fact, that people who have been on this website since the Clinton years have known since Slick was in office, but will be "revealed" in contra-history books 50 years from now, kind of like Amity Shlaes' "The Forgotten Man" tears down a lot of the Roosevelt myth.

It wouldn't have happened, and wouldn't need to be documented again, if the GD MSM had done their jobs in the first place.

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posted on 11/01/2013 5:29:27 AM PDT
by Hardastarboard
(You can keep your doctor - if you lock him in your basement.)

Yes, the main stream media is NOTHING BUT A PROPAGANDA MACHINE: THE HOUSE ORGAN OF THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE.

I didn’t even mention the top secret silent propeller technology that the Chinese got from us that allows their subs to operate undetected by sonar. There was a time in our history, that such treachery would justifiably end with a FIRING SQUAD.

Their job is - or has become - to shill, fawn over, and provide cover for ANY democrat/commie/socialist/progressive that gets into office, and denigrate, assail, and fabricate lies about any Republican that gets elected.

And they do it so well. Witness the way they drool over the current buffoon.

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posted on 11/01/2013 5:39:54 AM PDT
by NFHale
(The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)

The primary targets for China’s SSBN fleet has always been the US West Coast. That means targets from Bellingham, WA to San Diego will be within reach of the Chinese submarines if they can make it out to the middle of the Pacific.

“Dont worry about the Chinese nuking the US. You dont nuke your own property.”

I agree with you. The Chinese have a long term view of the world and work patiently over decades to achieve their objectives. They likely view the US as a future source of abundant raw materials as well as land for colonization.

A likely scenario is as follows within the next two decades. China continues to develop its domestic economy. An expanding middle class allows it to convert from a primarily export driven economy to an economy built on domestic consumption and supporting a large military establishment (not unlike the US economy of the second half of the 20th Century). At a point in time, the Chinese client North Korea will launch one or more EMP devices into polar orbit. When directed by the Chinese government, these devices will be exploded over the United States mainland effectively destroying the power grid and almost all electrical devices on which our modern economy is based. Transportation systems will immediately grind to a halt, electronic money will be unusable, commerce will end, and within days a society without food will begin to starve and fall into anarchy. Within a year 2/3 or more of the population will be dead. Should any of the US military outside the affected areas mount a counterattack it will be against North Korea and not China. Of course that assumes military officers would act without orders and could even identify from where the EMP attack came.

With the surviving US population in chaos and starving, the Chinese will be will positioned to occupy the mainland. They have the surplus population to send. They can bring in teams of technicians to restart the grid in the areas they occupy. Their colonists can take over the houses and other buildings. The natural resources (mines, oil, etc) will be free for the taking.

The absence of a missile defense system, early warning visibility from the south, and zero efforts to harden the electric grid and electrical equipment make us extremely vulnerable to a “one shot” attack from a rogue state such as North Korea or Iran. There is essentially no downside for China or Russia to orchestrate such an attack at the time of their choosing.

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posted on 11/01/2013 8:19:48 AM PDT
by Soul of the South
(Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)

Pinging the author you quote in your post, he's a Free Republic member

Jim Robinson wrote the forward to one of his books.

One thing I didn't see mentioned is the fact that Clinton took many secret military type items and moved them from the Dept of Defense to the Dept of Commerce, which was run by Ron Brown.

(The reason this was done was so that these type items [example: secret computer programs to allow the Chinese--the ones that used millions of dollars to get Clinton elected--to target their missles to the United States] could be sold with no restrictions on them. As an aside, that was the reason Clinton should have been impeached, but the weak kneeed Republicans at the time wouldn't do it for the real reason, so they used the Blue Dress instead)

Ron Brown started to see the anti-American actions taken by Clinton and his minions and was going to expose it all after his last trip on an airplane.

Infortunately his last trip was his "last" trip as the plane was directed into a mountainside in order to get rid of Brown.

It was a successful assisinaton by the Clinton Regime, although it had to be assisted by a bullet to the head to make sure.

There was one survivor (witness), a woman who was airlifted to be taken to a hospital.

When the helicopter arrived at it's destination, it was found that her throat was slit and she was quite dead.

Isn’t it amazing how reviled Nixon was and yet how close he was philosophically with the LEFT? Republicans can NEVER get liberals to like them—that’s because you can never get far enough left. They are communists—anything short of that is unacceptable to them. A better strategy would be to fight. Poor GW wanted to be loved by liberals too—and we know how that worked out.

I wanted to reply to your post but it was pulled on the other thread for a duplicate:

America has been sending American jobs overseas (and to China, in large part) for an entire generation.

You replied to CNN as follows:

It has not been the tea party but the establishment of the Republican Party through its sounding boards in places like the Wall Street Journal that have sustained this policy. In other words, the same people who frustrate us on social issues, on Obamacare, on the kind of candidates we want, are the same people who are complicit in hollowing out America for their own short-term profit. What is their anecdote for shipping manufacturing jobs to China and IT jobs to India? To import illiterate Mexicans to further increase consumer demand and, not incidentally, further depress wages which cannot be depressed by sending the jobs to China. I'm feeling a little feisty and feel like starting a fight so I will point out that the one Republican politician for the last generations who saw all of this, complained of this, and actually ran for president on this was Pat Buchanan. Where was the Wall Street Journal and the establishment wing of the Republican Party concerning Pat Buchanan's candidacy? They borked him and everybody ran screaming, oh no he is a Nazi and an anti-Semite! I live in what used to be Nazi land which is running a much healthier economy than we are in the USA. Small wonder the Germans took umbrage at American government's official criticism of the German economy. I do not see the "Nazis" here or the "anti-Semites" here sending so many jobs to China. If Germany has what it takes to save the world's leading economy back in the USA, give me more Nazis.

I am with you on Buchanan. He gets a lot of things right. When I get home I will post the portion of Buchanan's interview with Limbaugh from about ten years ago.

Here is the part of the Limbaugh Letter that I transcribed eight years ago:

The following is an excerpt from The Limbaugh Letter. I transcribed it off the press. Rush interviews Pat Buchanan:

Rush: Let me go back to immigration. We know where we're headed. What needs to be done right now to stop this?

Buchanan: Three things. One, put a security fence along all the major crossing points at the border and use the National Guard in the other areas if necessary. Two, begin to enforce the employer sanctions against companies that chronically hire illegals. Three, expel every illegal alien who has been convicted of a misdemeanor or a felony. In addition, pass an immigration law which is generous, but which cuts us back to more reasonable levels of immigration and holds to that moratorium for about five years. It can done. But the hour's getting very late for preserving the unity of this country.

Rush: And, if we fail?

B: If you fail, you lose the country.

R: That's apocalyptic. Define that. What's losing the country?

B: If you get an overwhelming majority of Hispanics in California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas these are decisive electoral votes. If those constituencies say, "We want an open border forever", I think we lose the country.

R: You're talking about illegals who end up voting.

B: No, all the children of these illegals are legal citizens. Eventually you could have a de facto loss of the American Southwest to Mexico.

R: I can't go to California without this becoming subject one, two and three.

B: Rush, every talk show I do it's No. 1. People cannot understand why the President will not enforce the immigration laws of the United States. If this were Clinton we'd impeach him.

R: I've gotten calls on my program from people in agribusiness who say, "If you roll back illegal immigration, be prepared for food prices to go up."

B: Tell them, "I'm prepared."

R: I said, "I'm already paying high taxes to support the social welfare programs for these illegals, who have access to the health care system, unemployment, and so on. It's already costing us." But that told me the problem is between two constituencies - the corporate contributors, who like cheap labor; and the average voter, who does not like it at all. That's the conflict.

B: It is. Again, go all the way back to the 50's even all the way back to the Civil War, and the great Republican era from 1860 to 1932. The interests of big business and manufacturing and of the workers used to be the same: "Look, we've got the greatest market in the world, we want the highest standard of living for our workers." As old Henry ford said, "I want my workers to be able to buy the cars they build." Both sides had tremendous interest in basically protecting the American market, in term of Americans having priority entry to it. Now, however, big business has moved so much of its manufacturing and production abroad that it has become the leading lobbyist for keeping the U.S. market open for dumping of foreign goods, bringing in foreign workers and the rest. So the interests of big business and workers - both of which were once Republican constituents - are now in conflict.

Thank you for posting that interview transcript, it is confirmatory of our understanding of history. It is also instructive to consider how the Democrats destroyed Buchanan, as they do every other conservative threat, by painting him as an extremist and, for good measure, an anti-Semite and even a Nazi. They are doing the same thing to the Attorney General of Virginia on a different issue today in the Virginia governor's race. And it is winning there as well.

It is even more illuminating to consider the establishment of the Republican Party joining hands with the Democrats to accomplish the same destruction. We see this pattern played out time and again over the years. Even Romney had much more fire to direct against his fellow Republicans in the primaries than he had to direct against Obama.

I have post after post saved in which I plead for McCain to "morally destroy" Barack Obama. I did not understand at the time that this was not just a matter of the Republicans being gun shy because of Obama's race, this is an ingrained habit of that part of the Republican Party to which McCain and Romney and so many others belong.

My hope is that more and more FReepers catch on to all of this much quicker than I did and understand that what happened to Pat Buchanan is symbolic of what happens across the whole party.

My understanding from previous threads is that the U.S. can detect the location of the four subs of current generation of Chinese SSBNs, but the Chinese cannot detect the location of the eighteen Ohio-class SSBNs, which are technologically at least two decades more advanced. Is this correct. This story sounds like an idle threat.

My understanding from previous threads is that the U.S. can detect the location of the four subs of current generation of Chinese SSBNs, but the Chinese cannot detect the location of the eighteen Ohio-class SSBNs, which are technologically at least two decades more advanced. Is this correct. This story sounds like an idle threat.

Just because we can detect them doesn't mean we can stop them. Do you think we will sink them as soon as they are detected within missile range?

My understanding from previous threads is that the U.S. can detect the location of the four subs of current generation of Chinese SSBNs, but the Chinese cannot detect the location of the eighteen Ohio-class SSBNs, which are technologically at least two decades more advanced. Is this correct. This story sounds like an idle threat.

Even if detected, there exists today no viable "missile shield" defense to stop an attack by SLBMs off either coast. Detection does not equal defense.

Moreover, an SLBM launch gives us about 7 minutes warning to every city on both coasts.

We have not seriously considered these a threat since the end of the Cold War. Our nation has become the second most obese on the planet while we are watching "reality TV." We are now a nation of takers. Americans are oblivious to the military threats posed against us.

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