I meant a 38 special case, not 357 mag. to hold 25 g of powder. And rule of thumb--Ha lucky to have one 5 more extra grains of pyrodex (30) and 10 more grains of J Shock (35) to get results in 44 calibers. (30) grains of real BP is all you need in a 44 Colt. But I have been told that American Pioneer is good at 30 grains in one, but have never used it. Probably same as J Shockey. But I could also tell ya'll how to make chili but you done figured it out I like the copper powder flasks w/ nozels