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I agree with people on both sides of the argument here. Saddam does need to be removed from power I believe because of his evil tactics and thousands of people that he kills. Where I have a problem is that the US is doing this. I don't believe Bush's reason's for this war. I don't believe that he cares enough about the Iraqi people and that's why he's doing this, if that was the case why wasn't Saddam taken out years ago? I believe this war is partly about oil, partly because Bush just doesn't like Saddam and partly because Bush is just as [censored] dumb as Saddam and just wants to be at war because he's a [censored] republican and wants his war like his father had his war. If the US wasn't so hypocritical in the fact that they are breaking the law to attack Iraq because Iraq broke the law, and if they truley wanted to free the Iraqi people, then I wouldn't be so opposed to this war. If it was Canada for instance who decided to free Iraq (hehe) I wouldn't be so against it, cause call it patriotic if you wish, but I think Canada has a more neutral and better view of the world than the US who just wants to prove they are tough and can control the world.

yeah. but canada would get it's [censored] kicked if it went to war with iraq. hehe

and i doubt bush is doing it 'just because he's a republican'. that is just silly reasoning! it's like saying that i hate minorities because i'm a fascist. oh wait....

anyway... yeah. i think it's for the oil. i don't mind bush so much. don't agree with everything, but he doesn't really bother that much. i just wish he would stop lying and [censored] admit that this war is all about the oil. then i'd have a lot of respect for him. it may be a shitty reason to go to war, but hey at least he would be telling the truth already!

"when you look around, you can't tell me honestly you're happy with what you see"

They discovered oil in some shitty country, I can't remember what it was, Venezuala i think. Supposedly there is as much oil there as there is in Iraq. Not to mention oil in Alaska.

N. Korea is more of an immediete threat to the countries around it like Russia and China, not to the US. We don't have to focus on them because the countries around NK can handle it for now. Yeah, and Iraq might not be an immediete threat to the US either but that's not the reason I see us going to war for. The countries around Iraq aren't going to do anything, well, until now.

Comparing the US to Iraq is like comparing a Leprechaun to a Rock. Sure, the Leprechaun did some bad things, but the rock is totally evil.

The US isn't being the evil police, they are just being the police. Yeah, I wonder why they decided to do it now, instead of sometime during the last twelve years, too. Maybe it's just cause Bush was the first president to care.

The reason I defend the reasons to go to war is because there are enough people opposing war. But like I said, I don't care either way.

cold sunn.. i think i have a problem with everything you said in that last post of yours. ok.. first off.. takes too much time/energy/money to find alternative sources for oil. iraq already has a smooth operation set up. we aren't that [censored] stupid. would we rather take years developing sites in other countries or just take it from a country that already has it figured out? duhhh.. the second one. and sure, it may be selfish. but wtf? that's the US for you.

next: North Korea being more of a threat to Russia and China? umm... are you really that dumb or just pretending? i hope you're just faking it. cuz North Korea wants nothing more than to see the US crushed.

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North Korea says it is preparing for total war with the United States and has threatened a pre-emptive strike if Washington sends extra forces to the region.

uhh.. that's what i thought! here's the link to the entire story if you want it:http://www.abc.net.au/ra/newstories/RANewsStories_779394.htmKim Jong (leader of North Korea in case you don't know) said that he considered the US going to war with Iraq as a terrorist attack on N.Korea. yeah.. i don't know how he reasoned that away to himself either. but he that's his stand on the whole issue.

next: the US aren't being the 'evil police'? c'mon. that's what the US is known for! sticking their noses into everyone's business and killing people in the meantime. this whole iraq situation deals with just the oil. that is why we're doing it now. because this Bush actually has the balls and a decent cover story in order to go to war just for oil. i just wish he'd admit it. but anyone with half a brain could figure out that one.

"when you look around, you can't tell me honestly you're happy with what you see"

i really don't know where this is all going but i passed through a war time 3 years ago and i really wouldn't go to past through it again for anything on the world... thanks to NATO we're saved. Now the same thing bombings are happening in IRAQ.. but of course for different reasons, and i'm really sorry for the civilians there, they must be scared to death....

those who've passed a war, they know what kind of a feeling that is...

I wouldn't call us the evil police. If we didn't do anything, any kind of police action ever... Imagine what the world would be... Everyone would be at peace... Communism would reign all, genocide would spread... The population would mos def decrease, especially the small countries people want to test nukes on. Nothing isn't perfect... In around the 20s/30s Barsalona had a utopia then... It was run through ways of Anarchy... If only life could be like that... True i guess, but it lasted no more then 10 yrs.. It fell apart hard.... Militaries are puppets... The people in militarys aren't bad... The puppet masters is who we need to fear... (entertainers... Politicans). I won't say this war is bad but I won't say it's the best idea either... I don't think anyone here has a wrong or dumb answers because this all through how you feel. We is the borg when you need em

I agree with you hkz, especially when you said that "I don't think anyone here has a wrong or dumb answers because this all through how you feel" that's true. But i don't think that it's on us to judge if the war idea is the best choice or not, i'm saying this because the people who started this war are probably much more smarter then we are about these things and they know how these things go so they probably know what they're doing rite ?...

hkzknight: i doubt that communism would "reign all". although some countries have tried for communism, it has never worked on a large scale. not once in the history of the world has communism succeeded. so we don't ever have to worry about that.

"when you look around, you can't tell me honestly you're happy with what you see"

I know, just giving an example and reflecting back to the cold war... It's inhuman, no way people could live with communism but neway... See I think wars should be fought with hot naked super models and porn stars... It would be hard to shot them...

the war in iraq is a war for oil, which is why im for it. gas prices will drop and the economy will improve. the rich will get richer and the average person will save 5 bucks a week on gas. and those 5 bucks is enough to get my full suport. blood for oil? whats the ratio?

hkzknight: hahaha. wars fought with naked models... nice idea. i'm sure all you guy folk would love that. me.. not so much. it be super easy for me to shoot 'em. muahahaha. then i'd steal their shoes. (porn stars and super models have great shoes. and even though you said they'd be naked, they would still be wearing their shoes.)

ohfuk: agreed. the war is for oil. and yes, it will be great when the US controls it just because then i won't have to pay out my [censored] just to fill my car up. yay! but ya know what... with all that blood we're spilling to get the oil, we should just have a little fun with it and mix it in with the oil. so not only will we be driving around burning up gas, we're burning the blood of people we don't even know! muhahahaha. wow... i guess that's kind of sick. but that's me

"when you look around, you can't tell me honestly you're happy with what you see"

Ok, I just read this page 'cause I'm such a lazy-[censored] and I'm tired of war talks. Personally, I've given into the superior tactics of the Bush administration. I have a general contempt for anything French and I'm still actively seeking an "I(HEART)WAR" button to show my patriotism. But I have 2 problems with things I've read.

A: Fleshy, SEARCHING FOR ALTERNATIVE MEANS OF ENERGY? SEARCHING?! ARE YOU INSANE?! There are many alternative energy sources in the world: wind, solar, nuclear, you can run your damn car with small amounts of diesal and soybeans with just some slight engine modifications. The reason it seems like it takes so much time, money, effort, etc. is because that's what the oil companies want you to believe.

B: Communism is, in theory, the most effective and fair form of government. Everything is equal. However, in practice, it sucks. As Churchill said "Communism is the equal sharing of hardships" (I can't remember the exact words).

dashocker: first off, hahahahahaha! you're funny. i know a lot about other forms of renewable energy. what i meant was "searching for alternative places to drill for oil" guess i should have specified it better. but anyway, you're wrong here. none of the alternative methods are as good as oil. sorry, but it's true. wind won't work. solar isn't strong enough. and nuclear.. how about we DON'T go there. that isn't a renewable source of energy anyway. nuclear would consist of using radioactive elements such as plutonium and uranium. last time i checked you can't grow more of that anywhere. about the soy beans, hi! i'm from the midwest. that's where we grow all your [censored] soy beans and corn to try to run machines. let me tell you, with that, you still have to have oil. not as much, but you still have to mix the corn/soy beans with refined oil. so yeah.. don't talk to me about renewable energy.

second of all: communism in theory is a totally ridiculous idea. you can quote Churchill all you want, but it doesn't change the fact communism has and will never work on a large scale. the whole idea of everyone getting the same amount of money for different jobs is just plain bullshit. if you work harder than some other guy you should get paid more. if your job requires more skill and schooling than some other guy you should get paid more. that is why communism is crap. it is NOT fair and definitly NOT effective. if that were true, don't you think more countries would be completely communist? yeah.. they would. but the truth is that it can't work. not even in theory.

"when you look around, you can't tell me honestly you're happy with what you see"

OK, Honestly, I'm not really sure whether most of the people here are being sarcastic, or if you guys are that [censored] up. Holy [censored], if you are that [censored] up and do believe what you are saying, I can see why the US is such a [censored] up, violent culture. All you have been talking about is saving $5 here and there and being greedy [censored]. Ever think about the people being killed in Iraq and around the rest of the world because greedy people like you want to save a few dollars. Most people havn't even mentioned the fact that the war will kill thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians. US greed baffles me. And fleshy, Communism means that everyone does the most and best work they can and receives what they need, not all equal. If I need this amount of money to live properly, I get it, if someone else needs a different amount, they get it and everyone works to their fullest capabilities. And it's true, it is the fairest form of government in my opinion.

hahaha. yeah yeah. i still hate communism and will never believe it is 'fair'. but here's the deal.. you give me one instance where communism has worked on a large scale. i mean, really worked that way it was intended to, and i'll take back what i said about it. but see, i know you can't give me even 1 example. why? because it has never and will never work.

"when you look around, you can't tell me honestly you're happy with what you see"

Communism sucks. It hasn't worked out, and will not work out. I could give out a large list of examples why communism will not work, and try to change others opinion, because I lived in a communist country for 7 or 8 years when I was little, until we had a revolution and killed that [censored] sonofabitch dictator.

And if anyone thinks communism is great, and thinks communism can work, I recommend them to take a trip to North Korea, and live there for a couple of months.

Jesus, will you guys just shut the [censored] up? You're all saying the same thing, for the most part. Mornse is saying that it's good in theory, but doesn't work. And the rest are saying it sucks because it doesn't work. So see past your own views and realize that you're all saying pretty much the same thing.

alright.. even if it did work i'd still hate it though. i'm not saying it sucks because it doesn't work. i'm saying it sucks because of the whole belief system behind it. i don't really care if it works or not.

"when you look around, you can't tell me honestly you're happy with what you see"