Man, I hope so.......we NEED representation! .....and, that takes guts......and, that is somthing that has been absent as of late, except from a very few! :steamed:

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Guss

07-01-2012, 20:17

Gov. Scott's popularity is so low that even minor opponents poll well against him. Politically, he's a dead man walking. He'll be remembered with the same level of sentiment as "W".

hogship

07-01-2012, 21:12

Gov. Scott's popularity is so low that even minor opponents poll well against him. Politically, he's a dead man walking. He'll be remembered with the same level of sentiment as "W".

I wouldn't care what his popularity level is........I'll applaud anyone who will now do the right thing, stand up on principle........and, the COTUS. :supergrin:

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Jerry

07-01-2012, 21:23

I'm surprised Arizona's governor hasn't thrown her gauntlet down yet. Or did I just miss it?

Guss

07-01-2012, 21:39

Not having the exchange just means that instead of having a choice, citizens will default to the government plan. But we'll have dumped Scott before the plan is fully implemented.

ModGlock17

07-01-2012, 21:46

Gov. Scott's popularity is so low that even minor opponents poll well against him. Politically, he's a dead man walking. He'll be remembered with the same level of sentiment as "W".

I would like to see people who are called to LEAD, do LEAD at any personal expense including popularity.

As for popularity, it comes and goes. You know that. If you count on it, you'd be out of pocket sooner or later. But leadership skills never go away.

As for "dead man walking", they are the most dangerous to the opposition, don't they ?

Dead man walking has nothing to lose. An incumbent president has everything to lose.

I support this dead man walking from the Great state of FL.

certifiedfunds

07-01-2012, 22:00

Get in line

cowboy1964

07-01-2012, 22:58

The feds can just withhold highway money, Medicaid money, whatever.

This is going to be interesting.

Guss

07-02-2012, 00:03

Can governors just do that on their own? What if their legislators choose a different path?

jeanderson

07-02-2012, 05:16

The feds can just withhold highway money, Medicaid money, whatever.

This is going to be interesting.

If the federal government gets out of control and tramples on too many peoples' lives, it's time for states to rise up and secede. This is a good sign. I'm sure Texas will follow.

States, and their citizens, need to stop thinking of the federal government as the source of revenue and more as the source of their problems.

certifiedfunds

07-02-2012, 06:29

The feds can just withhold highway money, Medicaid money, whatever.

This is going to be interesting.

Actually, didn't Roberts' convoluted opinion say just the opposite?

certifiedfunds

07-02-2012, 06:31

Can governors just do that on their own? What if their legislators choose a different path?

Depends upon each state's constitution but in most if not every state, the governor is the executive charged with enforcing the law -- or not, and he can veto any legislative action.

I for one hope this groundswell grows and it forces another court challenge......maybe even a Constitutional crisis.

HexHead

07-02-2012, 06:37

The feds can just withhold highway money, Medicaid money, whatever.

This is going to be interesting.

The SCOTUS decision states they cannot withhold Medicaid money for non-compliance. That was the part ruled unconstitutional by Roberts, Breyer and Kagan.

G29Reload

07-02-2012, 08:29

Will other states follow ? Selective secession from the Union of Obamacare.

Ft. Sumpter comes to mind.

I see now why the Civil War was fought.

VC-Racing

07-02-2012, 08:44

South Carolina has already told Them to pound sand also.....

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kirgi08

07-02-2012, 09:27

States using their rights and telling the fed ta pound sand will do little.Actions will dictate the course.'08.

sbhaven

07-02-2012, 09:38

The SCOTUS decision states they cannot withhold Medicaid money for non-compliance. That was the part ruled unconstitutional by Roberts, Breyer and Kagan.
And do you honestly think that would stop this President from finding some way to punish a state for ignoring what progressives call the crowning achievement of his first term?

He's already publicly rebuked them on national TV on more than one occasion for their legal opinions. If he chooses to ignore the court, what then?
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GAFinch

07-02-2012, 09:50

Can governors just do that on their own? What if their legislators choose a different path?

That problem certainly happened in SC, where now former Governor Sanford tried to turn down stimulus money, since he thought it was stupid to expand departments based on temporary money.

GAFinch

07-02-2012, 09:55

Ft. Sumpter comes to mind.

I see now why the Civil War was fought.

Yep, but this time the anti-secessionists wouldn't have a moral backing on their side.

ModGlock17

07-03-2012, 06:11

Yep, but this time the anti-secessionists wouldn't have a moral backing on their side.

But but...

I thought he said he is a Uniter not a Divider... :rofl:

I think it's best for everyone if he focuses on golf and lecture tours starting Jan 2013. He's reluctant because neither golf can have nor lecture tours can afford tele-prompters.

rdpG19

07-03-2012, 06:31

Gov Scott is fighting the federal government on a few issues, takes guts. Since Obama has been in office he (Obama) has put so many people in Fla out of work it's really getting bad down here. Started with shutting down the space program. I think that Stott's doing as good as he can with what he has to work with. He's fighting for Fla, that's more then we could say for the last Governor we had.

certifiedfunds

07-03-2012, 07:19

Gov Scott is fighting the federal government on a few issues, takes guts. Since Obama has been in office he (Obama) has put so many people in Fla out of work it's really getting bad down here. Started with shutting down the space program. I think that Stott's doing as good as he can with what he has to work with. He's fighting for Fla, that's more then we could say for the last Governor we had.

Simple fix. Tell Scott to open up offshore oil exploration. Fix the economy and piss off Obama all in one.

kirgi08

07-03-2012, 08:10

DOJ will roadblock any attempt.'08.

Mr Spock

07-03-2012, 11:33

DOJ will roadblock any attempt.'08.

How will they enforce a roadblock, though? Any active attempts to coerce the the state in an election year would be foolish and dangerous.

ModGlock17

07-03-2012, 12:17

DOJ will roadblock any attempt.'08.

Like others have said, Louisiana and Wisconsin are with Florida. I would guess more are on the way.

The bottomline is that it costs the States beaucoup dollars to implement something that is likely to get repealed, people willing. So to wait until after the first week of November is only fiscally prudent.

DOJ will send in the army, like in a Fast and Furious way ? The Sargent at arms in the Capitol can arrest Holder as soon as he steps in The People's house.

Don't you get the impression they got their heads bury under the sand ?

kirgi08

07-04-2012, 02:12

How will they enforce a roadblock, though? Any active attempts to coerce the the state in an election year would be foolish and dangerous.

Holder ain't got nothing ta lose.'08.

HarlDane

07-04-2012, 03:14

Actually, didn't Roberts' convoluted opinion say just the opposite?Yep, one of the bright spots in the ruling was limiting the Fed's ability to blackmail states to go along by threatening to pull funding.

ModGlock17

07-04-2012, 11:44

Holder ain't got nothing ta lose.'08.

I think he does.

As a free man, he can charge $100k-$200k per speech at Graduation at the following universities: Grambling, Florida A&M, etc. or at minority police associations.

Obama, on the other hand, can do Harward speeches.

Post 2012 term expiration is when they can rake in the dough.

kirgi08

07-04-2012, 12:23

Or he can go for broke knowing he'll get a pardon as the white house changes residents.'08.

G29Reload

07-04-2012, 12:36

The feds can just withhold highway money, Medicaid money, whatever.

This is going to be interesting.

Uh..no, they can't.

ONe minor part of the ruling that went for us.

They're expecting now that may cause all kind of problems for fedgov because they can't do that inline with the recent ruling on Medicare.

oldman11

07-04-2012, 13:12

I read somewhere in the news that Louisiana wasn't going to comply either. Can't remember where I read that though.

certifiedfunds

07-04-2012, 13:29

Like others have said, Louisiana and Wisconsin are with Florida. I would guess more are on the way.

The bottomline is that it costs the States beaucoup dollars to implement something that is likely to get repealed, people willing. So to wait until after the first week of November is only fiscally prudent.

DOJ will send in the army, like in a Fast and Furious way ? The Sargent at arms in the Capitol can arrest Holder as soon as he steps in The People's house.

Don't you get the impression they got their heads bury under the sand ?