Rodder 18,you've been so helpful I really hate to ask but PLEEEEEZE....How did you do it???? I owe you big time you have no idea,I've been couped up in this dang house for three weeks now,at first I was going out of my mind ,I'm not used to being away from my shop.between you and this thread the time is almost over,Im hooked on the photo shop,you'll see on the next contest..I'll enter whatever POS I can accomplish no matter how bad even if it's just a box with 4 circles(a car) now I've got a bigger problem though....I dont want to go back to the shop I just want to play with this stuff...ALL DAY...,I hope I get over it....So.. ..what can "I " do for you???????I'll pm you so theres no need to respond,thank you all