Yeah, I was thinking Xfce should get a lot of attention when Gnome 3 comes, just because Gnome 3 is different. I find Xfce is very promising, but for me or my tastes it falls just short for some reason. Kinda like when I fool around with KDE, it's a nice environment and very polished but just doesn't seem to be right for me.

My goodness, I can usually count 1..2..3 and find them there! I'ts gotten better but not long ago it was obscene! Then again, also have seen it with PCLinuxOS and Mint and especially Ubuntu. Problem is, the Ubuntu finally sucked me in!

XFCE is just very slow when it comes to development, no sign of a 4.6.2 yet. by the looks of it i think more an more are going towards LXDE here than XFCE. XFCE is becoming Bloated and or will. KDE4 is becoming more polished with every Major Release. problem with Ubuntu an i saw this in another thread an ex Ubuntu Guy posted here. i'll have a look for the thread, i to think Ubuntu are going in thee wrong direction

to answer your first Question, just click on that link i posted above. i wouldnt Tie certain stuff into the OS the way there currently doing

It's obviously working for them, considering the number of people that use it. It's what sets them apart from all the rest. But it's real easy actually, if you don't like it, don't use it. I can find faults with every distro or things I would change, but I don't waste my energies worrying about it. It is what it is. End of discussion as far as I'm concerned.

to answer your first Question, just click on that link i posted above. i wouldnt Tie certain stuff into the OS the way there currently doing

They are innovating, and trying to improve and move Linux forward in their own way. I would rather they be bold and try than sit and complain.

And distros, including Fedora, look at what others are doing and if they like it (or if the upstream likes it) then it may get incorporated into any particular distro. If they don't then they won't. At the same time Ubuntu and other distributions will take ideas from what Fedora or any other innovative distribution is doing.

That's part of the wonderful ecology of Linux and Open Source, and I would rather there be the constant improvements than a single "perfect" and let it languish for years doing nothing.

This is not to say I agree 100% with what they are doing, but give me innovation and change over being just what I want any day (in spite of what I may whine about).

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Looks like their last release was last year (april 09) so I'd say you're correct.

The last date on the Xfce-dev mailing list is March 5, 2010 so it may not be completely dead?

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I've just spent the last few days in geek heaven with a Linux Format disk containing a set of minimal distros. It also gave me the opportunity to make a post at Linux Questions with a classic title: "The Puppy ate my Fedora!"

Puppy is certainly interesting. It took some time to install to hard disk, until I discovered that it used pup-sfs instead of initrd (despite the fact that the installation disk actually contained initrd). This afternoon I edited a configuration file to add a couple of keyboard shortcuts: the shortcuts never materialised, but the theme colours changed. It's very easy to install new software from PET packages, but removing software provided by the installer is said to need the skills of a detective and the luck of a lottery winner. It runs as root, but provides security (I hope) by using a user called webbrowser when running Seamonkey. Despite all these oddities, I rather liked it. If I had a 64MB computer, it would be my first choice.

My next one will be Tiny Core. That has no installer provided: you do it all from the command line. Nor is there any problem of bloat, since the disk has no software other than a terminal and an editor: the choice and installation of applications is left to the user.

Not really a new distro that I am trying here, but rather a different perspective of Fedora 12: except for small web-browsing sessions (like this one) I am trying to run everything in the terminal.

Specifically I use the ALT+FX (X=2,3,..,6) keys and use the terminals there, since most of my work nowadays can be easily done with VIM and I find myself doing SSH to supercomputers quite often I don't miss any other programs. I like this environment because it reduces distraction to the minimum and I feel that it creates a 'deeper connection' between me and my machine.

(back to the original question) ......... I'm presently using Ubuntu 9.10 Have been a Fedora user for some time, however, got a shot at setting up an office with a mix of Windows and Linux boxes and had to switch over to Ubuntu. Had to make this switch because figuring out Samba and SELinux at the same time was a bit to much for me to chew on all at once, thus I choose to crawl before I learned to walk.

All the same, now I'm looking at going back to Fedora (likely load it this afternoon) as its time to start playing around with SELinux after now milling through old papers on Flask, Fluke, and publications from the NSA.

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Thanks for the suggestion, however I couldn't compile it in F12 a while back. Could you?

Joe.

I know I had trouble with it for awhile, but it's been awhile (probably F10). The sourceforge site at least suggests that they've fixed the makefile somewhat. Give me a moment to try it.

EDIT: 3.25 compiled clean for me on Fedora 12 x86. I have the "Development Tools" group installed, but also needed to install ncurses-devel. Other than that, it was just standard untar, cd, ./configure, make, and su -c 'make install'.

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Thanks for the suggestion, however I couldn't compile it in F12 a while back. Could you?

Joe.

I have no trouble compiling it for F14

Code:

[leigh@localhost Desktop]$ mp3blaster --help
Mp3blaster v3.2.5 (C)1997 - 2009 Bram Avontuur.
Usage:
mp3blaster [options]
mp3blaster [options] [file1 ...]
Play one or more mp3's
mp3blaster [options] --list/-l <playlist.lst>
Load a playlist but don't start playing.
mp3blaster [options] --autolist/-a <playlist.lst>
Load a playlist and start playing.
Options:
--downsample/-2: Downsample (44->22Khz etc)
--8bits/-8: 8bit audio (autodetected if your card can't handle 16 bits)
--config-file/-c=file: Use other config file than the default
~/.mp3blasterrc
--debug/-d: Log debug-info in $HOME/.mp3blaster.
--status-file/-f=file: Keep info on the mp3s being played, in the
specified file.
--help/-h: This help screen.
--mixer-device/-m: Mixer device to use (use 'NAS' for NAS mixer)
--no-mixer/-n: Don't start the built-in mixer.
--chroot/-o=<rootdir>: Set <rootdir> as mp3blaster's root dir.
This affects *ALL* file operations in mp3blaster!!(including
playlist reading&writing!) Note that only users with uid 0
can use this option (yet?). This feature will change soon.
--playmode/-p={onegroup,allgroups,allrandom}
Default playing mode is resp. Play first group only, Play
all groups, Play all songs in random order.
--dont-quit/-q: Don't quit after playing mp3[s] (only makes sense
in combination with --autolist or files from command-line)
--repeat/-R: Repeat playlist.
--runframes/-r=<number>: Number of frames to decode in one loop.
Range: 1 to 10 (default=5). A low value means that the
interface (while playing) reacts faster but slow CPU's might
hick. A higher number implies a slow interface but less
hicks on slow CPU's.
--sound-device/-s=<device>: Device to use to output sound.
Default for your system is /dev/dsp.
If you want to use NAS (Network Audio System) as playback
device, then enter the nasserver's address as device (e.g.
host.name.com:0; it *must* contain a colon)
--threads/-t=<amount>: Numbers of threads to use for buffering
(only works if mp3blaster was compiled with threads). Range is
0..500 in increments of 50 only.
--version,v: Display version number.
[leigh@localhost Desktop]$ cat /etc/fedora-release
Fedora release 14 (Rawhide)
[leigh@localhost Desktop]$