so he will not come upon the old man? great! that is good news for crises, he is free from the pervert! he will not overtake? as it is written in the key? i.e. he will not reach the old man? but he is in front of him or is there any other meaning im not aware of? (and the same goes to arrive at)

as for my problem with forms these two forms are irrecognizable: á¼±ÎµÎ½Î±Î¹ á¼±ÎµÏƒÎ¸Î±Î¹, there is no such stem á¼± in the previous lessons - in fact in the whole book,[well there is á¼±Î·Î¼Î¹] - nor perseus tools recognizes it is there a history of madness in the author's family? whence the hell does that come? (the closest thing is á¼°ÎºÎ½ÎµÎ¿Î¼Î±Î¹ but his renders á¼°ÎºÎµÏƒÎ¸Î±Î¹)

there is yet another problem that pisses me off in a greater and more intense manner. see, the forms á¼°ÎµÎ½Î±Î¹ end Î±Ï†Î¹ÎµÎ¹ - which do exist - are not told to be so. the former i found in the vocab section at the back, 10 minutes of scrolling ahead of where they are first found, for the latter i had to use perseus to finally learn that this is imperfect of the mi verbs. argh, does this continues to be so in the next chapters? this displeases me [the conjugation of this highly irregular verb eimi is hidden somewhere in the morphology section - without any notice, the conjugation of mi verbs is somewhre ahead, they where introduced chapters ago, without being used, so i didnt bother, but now, without notice they asked to known ] can it be seen why im mad?

and ÎµÏ€ÎµÏ…Ï†Î·Î¼Î·ÏƒÎµÎ¹Î½ seems to be the future form of a verb given without the future forms is this a mistake?

think you've got it. It's just saying "Ag. will not come upon the old man, for he is not tarrying in the Achaeans' army", which does make sense on its own -- I don't think you should put too much effort into trying to understand the exercises there as a continuous narrative.

the thing is thar aetc says the same thing in the iliad v 26 Î¼Î· ÏƒÎµ etc Î¿u ÎºÎ¹ÎºÎ·Ï‰. let me not come upon you; perseus gives let me not find you. is he telling the priest to leave? "let you not stay on my sight, doddering man"?

The mi-verbs are going to cause problems no matter what and there's a lot of memorization involved (at least there was for me). I'm not sure any book can teach them in a way that doesn't get under your skin

tis nice to now that the hienai thing do exist. they are causing me trouble already not so much because i have to memorize them - they were not introduced yet - nor the verb hiemi were for that matter -, but because they are being used in their particular forms without caveats when i first saw aphiei i thought by analogy that it was a present later i checked the hidden grammar section concerning the topic. what i am saying is that there are things being expected to know without any reference - "i shall not teach nor point out the proper section, but you must know, puer improbe!", thing which displeases me greatly. im feeling in the middle of a gnostic initiative rite

the last composition exercise requires one to translate to be accepted. the thing is that Î´ÎµÏ‡Î¿Î¼Î±Î¹ is deponent/reflexive redering Î´ÎµÏ‡Î¸Î±Î¹/Î´ÎµÏ‡ÎµÏƒÎ¸Î±Î¹. how does one form the passive of this? [edit: nevermind. this form is identical to the passive. i was tricked by the fraudulent middle voice. ]

ps: dont forget the ÎµÏ€ÎµÏ†Î·Î¼ÎµÏ‰/ÎµÏ€ÎµÏ…Ï†Î·Î¼ÎµÏƒÏ‰, thing... which is also required to be traqnslatd yet the vocab doesnt display the forms (only the pres and aorist are shown )

I'd recommend you spend a few minutes with the imperatives of the -ÃŽÂ¼ÃŽÂ¹ verbs,

thanks for the suggestion (im almost this close to drop everything up to dedicate to brute memorization of the forms )

He's threatening him. In English as I speak it, I might say something like "I'd better not find you among the ships either now... or later..., or else..." The difference here compared to the exercise is that the Iliad has the subjunctive.

i understand it now. twas my problem enterily in the way i learnt these words, they would imply movement prior to the completion of the action. come upon = arrive in front of something. i didnt know it could mean to find (in the sense of meet with), to meet, etc.

I took a closer look at Pharr and I agree that it's not the best setup where it sends you off to study paradigms but then not use most of the forms immediately, and it's worse when it uses forms not even in the paradigms. It's a little bit sloppy, to be charitable.