Yeah, Americans are so agressive that 2000 people were suddenly vandalising cars, breaking the rules etc etc

Go back to CNN dude and look for some happy propaganda people out of Iraq.

For the rest, I know that I'm right. I'm very glad that every time I'm in discussion here, I see that most pro-war people are Americans and most anti-war people Europeans (very good that we can still think at least in a more non-influenced way). For the rest I stop repeating again and again what I said in the past. We will see in the long term who is right...

I really have something more interesting to do than trying to convince some blind American forum members of airliners.net...

May God keep on blessing America, and have fun on CNN the next coming days.

Well you just keep thinking like that Fred. I have more interesting things to do then convince some blind Belgian who would rather beleive the Iraqi defence minister then CNN.
I'm very glad that you can spit all the crap you want and it wont change a thing. War is there. We won't drop Bush, and we dont care what you think. Yeah, I'm arrogant, but you know what? You made me this way.

Sabena you continue to regurgitate the thoughts of your liberal college education. If you know anything about a cowboy, which is hard to believe you would, you would know they have great resolve and great patience. You also obviously have never been a soldier, a leader and judging by your age little life experience.

Europe grew used to Clinton and his side stepping nature and now you are faced with a man who shows resolve to finish something. You feel threatened by this but this has been a long time coming. Get ready for the UN to be dissolved; we will no longer foot the bill for endless chatter and discussion it provokes. In your class studies remember the part where we wanted to go into Iraq in 91' and finish the job but the UN wouldn't allow it?

America has made many mistakes in foreign policy this is true what nation hasn't. You however seem to glance over anything good only to center on everything negative. You have crossed over with ADG, losing all credibility and have just become a radical nutcase.

I readily admit everything in Iraq will not be perfect when the bombs stop but 12 years to disarm and many years of torture and killing has now came to an end. WMD will be uncovered give it time, intelligence and sources within Iraq confirm they exist. Ask your Grandparents how good it felt when Belgium was liberated and get a real history lesson unbiased like your education undoubtedly seems.

I guess in the end we will let the Iraqi people decide if this war was justified. If I see Iraqi’s saying we were unjustified for freeing them from Saddam’s grip, then I will eat crow. Obviously France, Belgium, Germany, Russia and China want the status quo to continue. They want obvious foreign relations still with the “old regime”, which was made obvious today by these nations refusing to expel Iraqi government officials.

Suddam receives .35 cents from every barrel of oil in the oil-food program. This money is funneled to him and his regime. At 2 million gallons a day that’s not a bad return. He keeps the prices nice and cheap for France which imports 20% of its oil from this nation. Russia is the number one trading partner. All these nations have blood on their hands too. See everybody is dirty here not just the USA so pull your head out son.

The difference with the blood on our hands is we are focusing it on the Bathe Party in Iraq. Putting an end to this tyrant and giving the Iraqi people to chance to be free again. Is this about oil? Yes, Is it just about oil? No, Is the United States perfect? No, So lets get onto something else.

Even France's president can't do anything against Bush's government, even not the UN which is now irrelevant, so what do you expect from peace protesters? Millions of people worldwide are trying to find a way to express their disgust of the US government, but you can all go home, he won't listen anyway and it won't change anything. The US have decided and we have to comply, Tony B. has understood this long time ago

"The US have decided and we have to comply, Tony B. has understood this long time ago"Now that´s one cheery outlook. I´d rather... well most here probably couldn´t handle the rest I was going to say.

"A farm owned by Donald Rumsfeld was looted and vandalized by a mob in Taos New Mexico, the mob originated from a peace protest in Taos."Best news I´ve heard in days. If this war is legitimate then this is too. Too bad they didn´t bomb the place down in order to "liberate the people of the world from evil." Being A LITTLE sarcastic here although it holds a lot of truth.

"...losing all credibility and have just become a radical nutcase."And so have you dude.
A cowboy is to work with cattle. Somehow W´s treatment of the people of the world shows similarities with how you would treat a cow. No, a real cowboy would treat a cow better than the curent US administration treats people.
World peace is finished forever when the UN is dissolved and important issues are to be discussed in the (US) Senate only.

Saddam´s regime was at the brink of collapsing already. ANYTHING could have been achieved thru diplomacy, but too many ppl now profit from the war.

Well, those protesters aren't convincing me of anything. They make themselves look more and more foolish with every passing minute. My biggest question is why they believe that their tactics will work. "Vomit for Peace?" Give me a freakin' break!

TechRep, once again my excuses that I don't have the time to be here every hour of the day

Sabena you continue to regurgitate the thoughts of your liberal college education.

1) My college education is not liberal (more objective)
2) what does regurgirate just mean?

now you are faced with a man who shows resolve to finish something.

I don't agree. I am against Saddam, and against his way of treating people. But you do not attack without the permission of the UN, and without support of the NAVO and your partners. Who will say to Pakistan that they may not start a pre-emptive war against India? And even worse: who will witheld N-Korea from starting a pre-emptive war?
If this war would have been supported (and not only morally) by the Navo, by Europe etc, so multilateral, we wouldn't have gone back in time with 70 years (pact of Locarno). But now, with this unilateral and in the eyes of the other countries arrogant way of acting, how do you think to gain support?

Get ready for the UN to be dissolved; we will no longer foot the bill for endless chatter and discussion it provokes.

I wouldn't say this too fast. Has the US became so arrogant that they can do unilateral what they want? In fact yes, we saw this with Kyoto, Iraq, ... It's my hope that we will found a new and stronger Europe now (and discuss things first to come with one opinion, instead of the several divided opinions of today) to take a general standpoint. Many countries are aware of this now, and I don't think (and don't hope) that America will ever do again what it did today (unilateral acting).

America has made many mistakes in foreign policy this is true what nation hasn't.

I can only agree about this.

In your class studies remember the part where we wanted to go into Iraq in 91' and finish the job but the UN wouldn't allow it?

What was the official reason of the UN to dissallow this in 1991?

You however seem to glance over anything good only to center on everything negative.

No, but I don't see why I would talk in the Iraq crisis about positive things of America in WW2 or so. We are now 2003. Let's face us on this war, and in the consequences, not on 50 years ago, ok?

You have crossed over with ADG, losing all credibility and have just become a radical nutcase.

Than that's your opinion, but I still know what I say, and I am still convinced of my pessimistic attitude against this war.

get a real history lesson unbiased like your education undoubtedly seems.

How can you actually say this for god sake. For info: Gent University is ranked as one of the best in the world. So don't draw conclusions of things you know nothing about. If I learn the evolution of history things, with the backgrounds, I don't know what is so biased about that. I rather think that you can't bear any thing said against America.

All these nations have blood on their hands too. See everybody is dirty here not just the USA so pull your head out son.

If you actually read good what I say about the attitude of France, Russia,..., you will see that I am also disgusted about the reason WHY they are against the war in Iraq. But they are anti-war, and this is most important.

Putting an end to this tyrant and giving the Iraqi people to chance to be free again.

I highly doubt if their will ever be a real democracy in Iraq. It's actually quite impossible. The system is just too different. But it sounds of course nice to justifie the war.

Amazing how the whole left wing ideology can be so neatly summed up on bumper stickers and t-shirts, with catchy, meaningless, hollow phrases. That is the harmless part we can all chuckle at. At a more sinister level, who said this:
"They are a gang of war criminals," he said of the US and British forces making inroads into Iraq. "They are not normal humans, they are criminals by nature and by preparation. The US administration trains its leaders to be criminals."

It is the shite being spewed by every single protestor...and it is proof that they are somehow, inexplicably sympathetic, despite their cries to the contrary, with Hussein's regime. That was a statement by Iraq's Vice President, not a protest leader. However, their rhetoric mirrors very closely the rhetoric of the Iraqi regime...and we all know what their track record has been. The rhetoric, reasoning and logic all mirror that of Saddam's propoganda machine, from the oil thing to this. Even if you do not agree that they are in league with him, you have to admit it does benefit him. He is able to feed off of this sentiment, and hide behind it and the actions of nations like France, in order to cling to power and protract this conflict further. He was heartened by the worldwide protests, and banked on the incorrect assumption that they would somehow pressure the UN to stop action against him. Indirectly, or directly, protestors help aid Hussein and keep the Iraqi people under his bootheel that much longer.

Southside Irish...our two teams are the White Sox and whoever plays the Cubs!

Sabena you continue to regurgitate the thoughts of your liberal college education.

And techrep continues to spew forth irrelevant rhetoric that has no relevance to the topic at hand. Attacking anyone who does not share his view on the world.

If you know anything about a cowboy, which is hard to believe you would,

Again, more irrelevant insults ... childish in the extreme.

you would know they have great resolve and great patience. You also obviously have never been a soldier, a leader and judging by your age little life experience.

So tell us about your military experience TechRep?

Get ready for the UN to be dissolved;

OMG! the new world order is coming! The US is planning a world coup! With TechRep at the helm!

we will no longer foot the bill for endless chatter and discussion it provokes.

Didn't America go for like 50 years before it bothered to pay anything?

In your class studies remember the part where we wanted to go into Iraq in 91' and finish the job but the UN wouldn't allow it?

And yet, here we have Bush telling us the Resolutions of 1991 are enough to go into Iraq, who lies? You? Him?

America has made many mistakes in foreign policy this is true what nation hasn't.

OMG .. TechRep is allowed to point this out, but god forbid anyone else does so .. they're anti-americans and biased and whatever other kiddie name he decides to put on them...

You however seem to glance over anything good only to center on everything negative. You have crossed over with ADG, losing all credibility and have just become a radical nutcase.

Only radical nutcase here is the one who suggested the US was about to take over the world .. (get rid of the UN etc) ... There is a reason why people focus on the negative and someone with the ability for rational though knows why ... We're not discussing them, if TechRep would like to start a thread on all this good stuff, them maybe people would talk about it .. but that wouldn't suit his purpose .. he sets his mind to what he thinks people are like and acts accordingly. The one who lacks credibility here is the one who doesn't bother to add value to issues and prefers to attack the person instead .

How do you spell TechRep?

I readily admit everything in Iraq will not be perfect when the bombs stop but 12 years to disarm and many years of torture and killing has now came to an end.

and after attacking me (and others) he admits that what I (and others) is saying is right. Interesting indeed. The fact is that he just doesn't like WHO is saying it rather than WHAT is being said. I suspect if we look at those he vilifies we'll see a racial bias rather than one of issues.

WMD will be uncovered give it time, intelligence and sources within Iraq confirm they exist.

And suddenly he (who is not in the military) apparently has access to classified information not shared with the rest of the world .. (note the sarcasm). A more reasonable thinker would be saying something along the lines of "I bleieve WMD" or "IMO WMD" or "I hear" but he's given us what appears to be a definite fact. Might be true, might not .. but TechRep doesn't know either way, neither do the rest of us.

There is a war on. How can it be guaranteed that any WMD that are foudn there aren't *planted*? If there are people like TechRep that must be right at all costs, can you trust them to give you the truth? No.

Ask your Grandparents how good it felt when Belgium was liberated and get a real history lesson unbiased like your education undoubtedly seems.

Now he attacks the education system. Well TechRep, look at your own education system, after all .. .it created you.

I guess in the end we will let the Iraqi people decide if this war was justified.

It's irrelevant now, the war is on. You've shown your inability to grasp what the issues are that people object to.

If I see Iraqi’s saying we were unjustified for freeing them from Saddam’s grip, then I will eat crow.

Apparently some are fighting the forces, that indicates that it's not as cut/dried as you would think. But then TechRep, you miss the point (again). I can only speak for myself, it's not the "freeing of the Iraqi people" that's the issue, it's the method in doing so that is wrong. The action you support so fervently has given legitimacy to an attack on South Korea by North Korea, an attack on Pakistan by India (or vice Versa) and so on. Label a man a dictator .. posture in the UN for a while, tell the world the UN is useless and go in anyway.

THAT is what people are complaining about. That and the fact that there are low thinkers around who have to personally attack others because their opinions differ.

Obviously France, Belgium, Germany, Russia and China want the status quo to continue. They want obvious foreign relations still with the “old regime”, which was made obvious today by these nations refusing to expel Iraqi government officials.

That's not obvious at all ... that's the simplistic view that you're so good at. These people wanted the UN to resolve the issue but the US didn't want that, have to be the aggressor at all times. Did it ever occur to you that sometimes the US is the *wrong country* for the job because of who they are? There are some issues better resolved by other countries with US support/assistance. This "we are the world" attitude you have is tired and boring.

Suddam receives .35 cents from every barrel of oil in the oil-food program. This money is funneled to him and his regime. At 2 million gallons a day that’s not a bad return. He keeps the prices nice and cheap for France which imports 20% of its oil from this nation. Russia is the number one trading partner. All these nations have blood on their hands too. See everybody is dirty here not just the USA so pull your head out son.

I'm not sure who said "only the USA is dirty" but I agree, we are all guilty in some way with regards what has been going on in Iraq. Dont' forget TechRep that American countries also ignored the sanctions and sold to Iraq for profit. They aren't the only country to do so, but they are the country who forced this conflict which is the reason why people focus on it. They're not being anti-american as you would whine, they're simply pointing out a hypocrisy.

How can you whine about France, Russia etc when Americans attitude is very clearly "our economy first, everything else second"? Isn't that what these countries are doing? Putting economy before morality? By the way, personally I think that's wrong, morality should come before economy but we're not seeing that anywhere at the moment :-(

The difference with the blood on our hands is we are focusing it on the Bathe Party in Iraq.

ah rubbish.

Putting an end to this tyrant and giving the Iraqi people to chance to be free again.

ONLY if the US finishes the job it started, i'd like to see it but have been around long enough to be concerned about the ability to do so. Not all part of this world will accept "Americanising", has consideration been given to that? Iraq is not a christian country, has consideration been given to that? Time will tell and I hope it goes the way TechRep appears to be assured it will. In this instance it would be nice to be proven wrong.

Is this about oil? Yes, Is it just about oil? No, Is the United States perfect? No, So lets get onto something else.

Geez TechRep .. if you agree with me (and others) why are you so feral when these same words come out of the mouths of others? You've just proven yourself to the hypocrite that I thought you were.

As Holden would say .. game over.

TechRep, once again my excuses that I don't have the time to be here every hour of the day

What I find interesting, in that nobody wants to say it out loud, is that BUSH WAS RIGHT AFTERALL!!!!! While I didn't support this war to begin with, isn't it just amazing that the peace protestors and UN officials are mute on the fact that IRAQ is firing missiles that they aren't supposed to have (by a 1991 UN resolution) and have had 12 years to dispose of? What about that little fact? Saddam is so good that he has been hiding these missiles from the UN inspectors and, presumably, if we had left him to go on his own without attacking, he would just suddenly destroy these missiles? Yeah, right! This leads to the question, what else has he been hiding from the UN? Care to venture any guesses??

I'm certain that the liberal Euro-trash will have some smart-a$$ retort to this but, quite frankly, I don't give a crap what you people think! We've saved your collective a$$es and countries enough damn times in the past to be given the benefit of the doubt, (or would you be happier saying "Seig, Heil!"???)

MxCtrlr Freight Dogs Anonymous - O.O.T.S.K.

DAMN! This SUCKS! I just had to go to the next higher age bracket in my profile! :-(

Why the hell do you people like to lump everyone into one category and judge accordingly? Just like there are over-reactive idiots in your group, there are over-reactive idiots "protestors" as well. First of all they aren't real protestors; they have obviously failed the skill of proper protesting, that is, to get the right message across and not one's action/agendas, etc.

Then there are you guys, in fact most people, who like to attack the messenger rather than the message. Yeah, in this crap there is only one message: Some people should not be protestors. But it is not fair to knock everybody off now is it?

Unless you emotionally-biased brain isn't capable of processing that kind of situation...

The meaning of life is curiosity; we were put on this planet to explore opportunities.

Talking about the one in NYC today.... What is so stupid is these "peace" protesters are mostly not from New York. They're bussed in from all over the East coast and New England in order to create a larger crowd. Many that I've seen spoken to on Fox, CNN, & MSNBC have been from out of town and out of state. This is the classic example of "Rent-A-Mob". Then again, considering many of the organizations that sponsor these things, they're the same ones that bring in mob to run amok during IMF and World Bank meetings.

MxCtrlr - EXACTLY. Now, they may say that those are the Al Samyoud missiles that were being destroyed, but there is no way Saddam could have gotten those all hooked up that quickly, along with the fact that he did not have many of them at all. So yea, the liberal anti-war people will ignore the direct evidence that Saddam had violated those resolutions with SCUDs/etc and just keep on with their bad cliches and whining.

B757300, what part of your ass didja pull that info from? Bused em all in from communes in Vermont, huh? I'm sure you're right on the money.

Goddamned commies anyway.

just keep on with their bad cliches and whining.

Dude the more you try to justify everything the more foolish you look. It's on, Blood & Guts.....it's happening. We're there. We're at war. We're killing Iraqis. We're racing for Baghdad. And a million WAR protesters bused in from East Chucklef*ck, New Hampshire wouldn't have the slightest bit of effect.