"One should either write ruthlessly what one believes to be the truth, or else shut up." — Arthur Koestler

“For three months, Kimberlin resided at the federal prison in prison in Terra Haute, Indiana, in a unit reserved for convicts awaiting long-term assignments to other institutions. . . . He had resisted a sexual predator by tossing powdered chlorine cleanser in his face. The predator was African American, Kimberlin told me, and as he fended him off he shouted, ‘You f–king n–r! You motherf–kng n–r! Get the f–k away from me! I’ll kill you, you motherf–r!’ Kimberlin enjoyed telling this story.”
— Mark Singer, Citizen K: The Deeply Weird American Journey of Brett Kimberlin(1996), Page 183

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I’m shocked. I’d say it was white guilt, but he isn’t capable of remorse. So it must be a ploy by him to exploit those suffering from it.

ReaganiteRepublican

Well, he hates Republicans- same thing, right

http://proteinwisdom.com/ McGehee

I can’t say my language would be any more PC than that in those precise circumstances — but I’m pretty sure I wouldn’t brag about it later.

http://thatmrgguy.wordpress.com/ Mike G.

You know he could have simply told the guy…I’m just not that in to you…after throwing Ajax into his face.

http://twitter.com/DaTechGuyblog Peter Ingemi

I have very little love for Kimberlin other than what is required by Christianity but I certainly don’t begrudge him defense in that situation.

However his “enjoyment” at the story speaks volumes

http://thepagantemple.blogspot.com/ ThePaganTemple

I would.

Buddeshepherd

I have been working (farming season) and not really looking at other events/bloggers on the web. I have noticed a number of referrals from your page and came over to see what was up. I am pretty shocked and amazed to see what happened with the Brett Kimberlin deal. It seems I missed the whole protest. It is kind of like posting the phrase “there are no atheists foxholes,” and watching the google search trolls come out of the woodwork. I guess you really do matter or no one would have taken the time to harass you!
So when I retreat back to my little 35 hits-a-day site and talk about vintage stereos, horrible country western artists, and tractors-are THEY watching me as well?
If so, I guess the joke is on THEM!

http://thepagantemple.blogspot.com/ ThePaganTemple

WTF Stacy, is this supposed to make us dislike the guy even more? If that’s the intent it’s not working for me. If I had been in that situation I’d have said as much and more. When you’re in that kind of situation you don’t give a shit about how you talk to somebody who’s attempting to rape you. It doesn’t mean you feel that way about everybody of that race. Certain slurs can be applied selectively, even if its not a good idea in the vast majority of cases. In this case, it would fit.

http://www.thedailystrumpet.blogspot.com/ Buddeshepherd

Oh, I forgot… Thanks for the continual stream of referrals. It is hard to link back as you are no longer on blogger and I am not all that smart at linking

http://thepagantemple.blogspot.com/ ThePaganTemple

Do you people ever come down with ulcers having to “love” pieces of shit like that? Panic attacks? Anything?

PaulLemmen

The qualifier that demonstrates this is an actual viewpoint and not simply a recounting of an attack in the direct aftermath is: “Kimberlin enjoyed telling this story.”. During the 36 months I was imprisoned I was attacked in the same manner six times and I successfully fended them off even though I am not by nature a violent person. I even used a meal tray to protect myself on one occasion and was placed in “the hole” for a week as punishment (stripped naked, no mattress, no sheets, not even so much as a washcloth, sleeping on a concrete slab and fed a “loaf” as punishment). One does as one needs in an exigent situation. However, to relise recounting that attack with the racial slurs and obvious relish evinced in the book, this does described the twisted little soul inside the man.

PaulLemmen

On the money Pete! See my response to The Pagan Temple.

PaulLemmen

We would like to think that, but it isn’t true. The “milieu” if you will, is unknown and unknowable if you do not personally experience it.

Pathfinder’s wife

As there are many different forms of “love”, some of which don’t require any sort of emotional investment beyond a vague, generalized compassion for the human race, the answer to your question is most likely “no”.

For example: one could evince love of one’s fellow man “towards” Jeffery Dahmer by remarking that it was too bad that he, a fellow human soul, had to be such a sad, disgusting, twisted, little freak who warranted killin’. In that sense one is “loving” humanity in general, and our sad, sorry, sinful state in particular through the lens of wishing a fruity, murderous bastard had to be a fruity, murderous bastard…and suffers no qualms with the idea of sending Jeffery justifiably off to the dirt nap, nor any alimentary disruptions over the general notion of evincing a feeling that it was too damn bad he was what he was: a damnable mofo who warranted said dirt nap.

Pathfinder’s wife

“through wishing said bastige was NOT ” — that warranted correction…my bad; sentence structure being crucial after all

http://thepagantemple.blogspot.com/ ThePaganTemple

There are plenty of stories that could be told about Kimberlin that demonstrates what a piece of shit he is. This doesn’t do it for me. And I hate racists. But the caveat to that is, I hate actual, real racists, which I don’t necessarily define as somebody who lets loose with “The N Word” when a black man tries to rape him. Or even one who enjoys telling the story. Most racists would go out of their way to avoid using that word other than when they are around “their own kind”.

We’re too hung up on language anyway, and language proves little if anything. It’s like being sensitive about retarded people by calling them “mentally challenged” instead of “retarded”. The next thing you know, hilarity ensues so the advocates search for another phrase, and so instead of “disabled” we are urged to use “special abled”. And more hilarity ensues, but the whiners never learn.

But they do keep us hung up and defensive, to the point Stacy is here embarrassing himself blocking out vowels to words in a report about not what Stacy said or thought, but what some other person said. The whole thing passed the point of absurdity some decades ago when grown men and women started saying “so and so said ‘The N Word'” instead of “so and so said the word ‘nigger'” as though to repeat it directly is somehow sanctioning the use of the word, even when you’re talking critically about the persons racist behavior.

I actually find it very disturbing.

Pathfinder’s wife

Perhaps the key to this little story isn’t so much that he let loose with some racially charged profanities, nor that he retold the story (although the relishing of the same does raise some questions)…rather, it is that it would appear to be just a wee, tad bit hypocritical for ol” Brett to now be getting on his PC high horse and riding out to rid the range of evil, non-PC rightwingers (but of course, is there truly anyone else? of course not!) who are obviously all racist and evil in their lack of PC etiquette.
And of course, the people who hail him as their white knight of the holy racist crusade; there’s a lot to be said of them that they still firmly buy all of that, no?Or: things that make you go “hmmm….” for a thousand Alex???

http://twitter.com/richard_mcenroe richard mcenroe

Now do we have any confirmation for this story or is this just more Kimberlin self-aggrandizement?

robertstacymccain

The qualifier that demonstrates this is an actual viewpoint and not simply a recounting of an attack in the direct aftermath is: “Kimberlin enjoyed telling this story.”

Indeed. Why, in talking to Mark Singer in 1992-93, would Kimberlin recount this anecdote from a dozen years earlier? And why would Singer — a liberal — feel obliged to include this anecdote, followed by the seemingly gratuitous comment that Kimberlin “enjoyed telling” it?

Of course, what one might actually say to one’s attacker in the midst of attempted rape is neither here nor there. What is obviously relevant is that Kimberlin seemed to delight in telling this particular story — and that Singer found that to be potentially significant.

http://twitter.com/richard_mcenroe richard mcenroe

Well, you’re welcome to head on down to Compton and speak freely but I wouldn’t recommend it.

http://thepagantemple.blogspot.com/ ThePaganTemple

I understand the point to the story, I just disagree with it. Like I said, I’d do and say the same as Kimberlin in that situation and wouldn’t have any problem talking about it later. I don’t think that makes me a racist, nor does it make me a hypocrite when I criticize racism. If you want to call Kimberlin a hypocrite, I’d focus on how his dislike for racists is selectively focused on white examples, while he would probably excuse examples of racism by blacks.

robertstacymccain

is this just more Kimberlin self-aggrandizement?

We don’t know, but the fact that Kimberlin is a lying braggart is proved by many self-glorifying falsehoods he has told over the years. Mark Singer’s recognition that his would-be co-author was a compulsive liar is a big part of the story told in Citizen K.

http://thepagantemple.blogspot.com/ ThePaganTemple

Maybe he just enjoyed telling the story of his harrowing escape from a rape attempt, and how he managed to overcome his assailant?

http://thepagantemple.blogspot.com/ ThePaganTemple

That’s why I have no black friends. It has nothing to do with being racist, I just refuse to associate with people you have to walk on eggshells around. I make no bones about that. The fact that the vast majority of them are Democrats is another good reason to cross the street when you see them coming.

The next time you’re in Compton I would go out of my way to avoid advertising the fact you’re conservative too. That might get the shit stomped out of you just as quickly as any ill-uttered slur would.

http://proteinwisdom.com/ McGehee

If I spoke of it, I’d be too busy bragging about what I did to include what I was saying. The one is a little bit more important than the other.

http://thepagantemple.blogspot.com/ ThePaganTemple

You gotta watch them noggers too, you just can’t trust them around a fifth of good bourbon during the Holiday Season.

http://thepagantemple.blogspot.com/ ThePaganTemple

I’d tell the whole tale, just like any other story I told.

Adobe_Walls

Given that Kimberlin’s most consistent character trait is being a liar, why would anyone think he said anything other than “I do” during that ceremony?

http://proteinwisdom.com/ McGehee

Thing is, I doubt I’d remember exactly what I’d been saying. So any quotes I attributed to myself would have to be suspect.

If that’s the case with Kimberlin, one wonders why he’s attributing those particular quotes to himself.

Pathfinder’s wife

Uh, that was the point I was trying to make.

And I doubt most Blacks would excuse him…his gaggle of admirers on the other hand are a different story.

Pathfinder’s wife

“Cred”

Mm

Another viewpoint: per Alinsky’s Rules, this is holding the left accountable to their own rules. So, according to progressive propaganda, anyone who uses the n-word, criticizes democrats, claims that the media is biased, supports voter ID laws, says “fried chicken,” or criticizes O for socialist policies, is a racist.

Pathfinder’s wife

“Cred”

People glorify it — even to the point of credulity (heh, play on words!).

It does speak volumes though, when you think about it.

Pathfinder’s wife

The pertinent thing is that he relished the tale, which means that a person could infer that using that sort of language was also relished.

And whatever the stupid intricacies of PC bs, it really isn’t admirable to relish in tossing out racially derogatory epithets just for the heck of it; quite disgusting actually (if you want to insult somebody, go with what they are individually and character based imhao; racial and affiliated junk just points to a lack of imagination and willingness to truly engage).

http://proteinwisdom.com/ McGehee

To be honest, I don’t know that I’d speak at all. Defending myself in the past has always been a high-exertion activity; I tended to save my breath for, like, doing stuff instead of saying stuff.

http://thepagantemple.blogspot.com/ ThePaganTemple

Bullshit @Pathfinder’s wife we’re not talking about somebody having a mild disagreement, or even a heated argument. We’re talking about an instance of alleged attempted rape. You’re supposed to be willing to “engage” with somebody like that? Rape is a serious crime, and if somebody tried to pull that shit on me, the first thing he would need to worry about is my ripping his fucking cock off, not what name I might call him in anger.

CPAguy

OK…you seem to be a bit off your rocker anyway….so I don’t know if there is any reason to provide context….

But, Kimberlin has gone out his way to call RSM and others racist.

Kimberlin does so because he thinks that if he does that he can get minorities to help him…at least till they realize he is crazy…

Kimberlin wants supporters to his cause (whatever that is)…and he is willing to say anything to get them.

http://thepagantemple.blogspot.com/ ThePaganTemple

My oh my thanks to you
@CPAguy:disqus a great fog has lifted. Now I understand that no blacks would have ever considered helping a liberal white guy like Kimberlin fight Republicans unless he called them racist. Why, right up until then they were as likely as not to be on OUR side against him. Now, of course, since he used a racist slur on a man who attempted to rape him in prison, they wouldn’t dream of helping him now. I bet the NAACP and the New Black Panthers are going to go out and start registering Republican voters any day now, just to spite him.

And all these other liberals will turn against Kimberlin and support us as well. You know, just like NOW and other liberal activist groups turned against Bill Clinton over his womanizing affairs in the nineties and just like they jumped to Sarah Palin’s defense when she was viciously attacked by leftists, and just like they defended W when people showed pictures of him with a Hitler stash.

Are you fucking kidding me? These assholes can’t even bring themselves to speak out firmly against the most severe, objectionable excesses of the #Occupy movement other than in the most tangential terms possible, and then they choose their words very, very carefully, what very few times they do that much.

But keep on dreaming. Maybe that unicorn in your back yard might turn out to be real as well.

PaulLemmen

Silence gets no attention and the attackers allies are not alerted and no one goes to the hole. ONLY if a defense that attracts the guards attention in some way i.e., through sound, motion or need for medical care are the combatants placed in the hole … both of them. Getting attacked and the guards noticing gets you the hole, so the defense must be as quiet as the attack. Out of six attacks, only one did the guards become involved because I made so much noise. It was the first time I was attacked and came in my first week. I learned from the other cons that a lock in a sock stops those attacks easily. (Combination locks are used to secure your property but cannot be taken out of the detention center to prison after conviction so there was a surfeit of locks available.) I learned how to survive quickly. Mostly it was because I was already 52 years old when arrested and incarcerated. In the prison culture, old guys are automatically given a bit of respect. As long as you follow the etiquette of the culture, you do fine. I had several old guys that I, because of age, associated with. Most were long-time convicts and they taught me much about survival. May God Bless them.

The only source for this story is Kimberlin, a known liar, convicted perjurer, forger, terrorist bomber and drug trafficker, found civilly responsible for the death of a man he blew the legs off, and suspected of murder and child sexual abuse.

I’m thinking that’s not a real solid story.

Given that he has always been suspected of being a perv of some kind, and he’s a scrawny, squirrely little guy, what are the odds he gave it up to the assailant and the story he told Singer — with ickle Brett the great hero as always — is a revenge fantasy, or just plain bullshit?

Pathfinder’s wife

Sigh…I’m not talking about during the course of said event…I’m talking about afterwards.

During the event it is pretty excusable to say all manner of foul invective, but to relish in the racist stuff after the fact is a whole other matter, no?

Pathfinder’s wife

Plus it gives him with his groupies an aura of knowing “the really real”…he’s probably 1/86th Cherokee on his mama’s side as well, come to think of it, from a long line of healin’ folk.