OK, well, Asfridr posted the initial link on her LJ (http://pearl.livejournal.com/), but thanks to that, I have found my New Best Friends, and they are KAUP, a

Message 2 of 22
, Aug 13 11:02 AM

OK, well, Asfridr posted the initial link on her LJ
(http://pearl.livejournal.com/), but thanks to that, I
have found my New Best Friends, and they are KAUP, a
1st millenia Scandinavian & surrounding areas
reenactment group.

http://club-kaup.narod.ru/en/index.htm

Through the English site, and the assistance of
Babelfish for the pages that are not yet in English,
I've spent most of this quiet day at work getting
WILDLY INSPIRED.

The Lithuanian book is scanned, page by page, as well
as several other articles and books, with LOTS and
LOTS of images and diagrams. CHANDELIERS! Is too
much...http://club-kaup.narod.ru/rec/archussr_drrus_bk/archussr_drrus_bk_table97.jpg
(ok, maybe incense burners...)

OK, well, Asfridr posted the initial link on her LJ
(http://pearl.livejournal.com/), but thanks to that, I
have found my New Best Friends, and they are KAUP, a
1st millenia Scandinavian & surrounding areas
reenactment group.

http://club-kaup.narod.ru/en/index.htm

Through the English site, and the assistance of
Babelfish for the pages that are not yet in English,
I've spent most of this quiet day at work getting
WILDLY INSPIRED.

The Lithuanian book is scanned, page by page, as well
as several other articles and books, with LOTS and
LOTS of images and diagrams. CHANDELIERS! Is too
much...http://club-kaup.narod.ru/rec/archussr_drrus_bk/archussr_drrus_bk_table97.jpg
(ok, maybe incense burners...)

Pop over to the Russian version of the page, then Babelfish it. There s actually MORE on the Russian versions of the pages than the English. On the

Message 4 of 22
, Aug 13 11:47 AM

Pop over to the Russian version of the page, then
Babelfish it. There's actually MORE on the Russian
versions of the pages than the English.

On the Reconstruction page in Russian, this Lithuanian
book is the last of the 8 books listed. (the first
one is Drevnaia Rus: Byt I Kultura!) On the English
version of the page, only 5 books are listed.

--Sfandra

--- Patoodle@... wrote:

> That book cover makes me DROOL!!! Me want book!!!
>
> Call me clueless, or perhaps sleepy after my lunch,
> but I can't find the scanned book on KAUP's Web
> site. Is there a table of contents or something?
>
> Thanks! (Aciu!)
>
> In service,
> Patricia of Trakai
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sfandra <seonaid13@...>
> To: sig@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 2:02 pm
> Subject: Re: [sig] Translation help
>
>
>
> OK, well, Asfridr posted the initial link on her LJ
> (http://pearl.livejournal.com/), but thanks to that,
> I
> have found my New Best Friends, and they are KAUP, a
> 1st millenia Scandinavian & surrounding areas
> reenactment group.
>
> http://club-kaup.narod.ru/en/index.htm
>
> Through the English site, and the assistance of
> Babelfish for the pages that are not yet in English,
> I've spent most of this quiet day at work getting
> WILDLY INSPIRED.
>
> The Lithuanian book is scanned, page by page, as
> well
> as several other articles and books, with LOTS and
> LOTS of images and diagrams. CHANDELIERS! Is too
>

I'm going to look into getting my hands on a copy of this book. Since it's 367pgs long... i dont' thin xeroxing it is an option well atleats i'm not willing to make that investment. I know we can just print it off the internet. The ilustrations in it are quite awersome.

For those who are Russian-impaired, Chapter 4 (on clothing) is translated into English on my website. http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/kolchin.html I

Message 7 of 22
, Aug 13 5:01 PM

For those who are Russian-impaired, Chapter 4 (on clothing) is translated into English on my website.
http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/kolchin.html

I hadn't managed to get copies of the other chapters to translate before. Thanks for finding KAUP! They're missing a few chapters right now, but what they've got is more than enough to expand my list of translation projects most distressingly. :-)

Sofya

>------- Original Message -------
>
>Just to follow up. The book si available in the New York Public Library and it is part of a 20 volume archeological work.

I'm going to look into getting my hands on a copy of this book. Since it's 367pgs long... i dont' thin xeroxing it is an option well atleats i'm not willing to make that investment. I know we can just print it off the internet. The ilustrations in it are quite awersome.

For those who are Russian-impaired, Chapter 4 (on clothing) is translated
into English on my website.
http://www.strangel <http://www.strangelove.net/~kieser/Russia/kolchin.html>
ove.net/~kieser/Russia/kolchin.html

I hadn't managed to get copies of the other chapters to translate before.
Thanks for finding KAUP! They're missing a few chapters right now, but what
they've got is more than enough to expand my list of translation projects
most distressingly. :-)

Sofya

>------- Original Message -------
>
>Just to follow up. The book si available in the New York Public Library and

I'm going to look into getting my hands on a copy of this book. Since it's
367pgs long... i dont' thin xeroxing it is an option well atleats i'm not
willing to make that investment. I know we can just print it off the
internet. The ilustrations in it are quite awersome.

I’m looking for the correct translation to “strong green wine”. In my research of Russia I have come across the term “strong green wine”. It is

Message 9 of 22
, May 16, 2013

I’m looking for the correct translation to “strong green wine”.

In my research of Russia I have come across the term “strong green wine”. It is mentioned in the English versions of the bylinas, specifically in Dobrynya and the Dragon. Not being able to read Russian (or Ukranian) I’m not sure of the correct translation.

I assume the bylinas I find in English (Folk Tales from the Russian and The epic songs of Russia, printed in 1906 and 1913) are translations of earlier printed Cyrillic books. If I can get the original term used in those books I can further my research.

Thank you to anyone that can help with the translation and/or Slavic language sources.

-Halbrust

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Alexey Kiyaikin aka Posadnik

Greetings! Зелено вино, the late-period moonshine. It is also mentioned in the Sadko (пил зелено вино). The ethimology must be explained

Message 10 of 22
, May 16, 2013

Greetings!

Зелено вино, the late-period moonshine.
It is also mentioned in the Sadko (пил зелено вино). The ethimology must be explained in the Pokhlyobkin's History of Vodka. AFAIR the explanations, originally it referred to зелье (poison/potion), not зеленый (green).

>
>
>I’m looking for the correct translation to “strong green wine”.
>
>In my research of Russia I have come across the term “strong green wine”. It is mentioned in the English versions of the bylinas, specifically in Dobrynya and the Dragon. Not being able to read Russian (or Ukranian) I’m not sure of the correct translation.
>
>I assume the bylinas I find in English (Folk Tales from the Russian and The epic songs of Russia, printed in 1906 and 1913) are translations of earlier printed Cyrillic books. If I can get the original term used in those books I can further my research.
>
>Thank you to anyone that can help with the translation and/or Slavic language sources.
>
>-Halbrust
>
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>
>

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Joseph Belcher

Thank you Alexey! I will continue my research, but have another question that may help me along. According to Isabel Hapgood the lays of Vladimir (including

Message 11 of 22
, May 20, 2013

Thank you Alexey!
I will continue my research, but have another question that may help me along.

According to Isabel Hapgood the lays of Vladimir (including Dobrynya and the Dragon, but not Sadko) were composed in the 10th-12th century and represent a time between 988 and 1147. This is obviously too early to be vodka, or any other distilled drink.

If the original 12th century term was Зелено вино, what could it have been?
Or what could the 12th century term be if it was not Зелено вино?

Зелено вино, the late-period moonshine.
It is also mentioned in the Sadko (пил зелено вино). The ethimology must be explained in the Pokhlyobkin's History of Vodka. AFAIR the explanations, originally it referred to зелье (poison/potion), not зеленый (green).

>
>
>I’m looking for the correct translation to “strong green wine”.
>
>In my research of Russia I have come across the term “strong green wine”. It is mentioned in the English versions of the bylinas, specifically in Dobrynya and the Dragon. Not being able to read Russian (or Ukranian) I’m not sure of the correct translation.
>
>I assume the bylinas I find in English (Folk Tales from the Russian and The epic songs of Russia, printed in 1906 and 1913) are translations of earlier printed Cyrillic books. If I can get the original term used in those books I can further my research.
>
>Thank you to anyone that can help with the translation and/or Slavic language sources.
>
>-Halbrust
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Alexey Kiyaikin aka Posadnik

Greetings! Actually, the Kievan cycle bylinas were composed in 9 to 14 centuries, Dobrynia & the Serpent being (one of )the oldest. The Green Wine is the

Message 12 of 22
, May 20, 2013

Greetings!

Actually, the Kievan cycle bylinas were composed in 9 to 14 centuries, Dobrynia & the Serpent being (one of )the oldest. The "Green Wine" is the obvious late-period (and/or post-period) re-edition of the story. All the same, the oldest known published source of Bylinas is afair Kisha Danilov's Songs, about 1740; so there's no "original text" available.
The original source could refer to meads, beers jr wines, there was not a great variety of alcoholic drinks in Kievan Russia: wines were imported, meads and beers were home-made.

>
>
>Thank you Alexey!
>I will continue my research, but have another question that may help me along.
>
>According to Isabel Hapgood the lays of Vladimir (including Dobrynya and the Dragon, but not Sadko) were composed in the 10th-12th century and represent a time between 988 and 1147. This is obviously too early to be vodka, or any other distilled drink.
>
>If the original 12th century term was Зелено вино, what could it have been?
>Or what could the 12th century term be if it was not Зелено вино?
>
>-Halbrust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Alexey Kiyaikin aka Posadnik < Posadnik@... >
>To: sig < sig@yahoogroups.com >
>Sent: Thu, May 16, 2013 10:27 pm
>Subject: Re: [sig] Translation help
>
>Greetings!
>
>Зелено вино, the late-period moonshine.
>It is also mentioned in the Sadko (пил зелено вино). The ethimology must be explained in the Pokhlyobkin's History of Vodka. AFAIR the explanations, originally it referred to зелье (poison/potion), not зеленый (green).
>
>Четверг, 16 мая 2013, 17:31 -04:00 от Joseph Belcher < iegrappling@... >:
>>
>>
>>I’m looking for the correct translation to “strong green wine”.
>>
>>In my research of Russia I have come across the term “strong green wine”. It is mentioned in the English versions of the bylinas, specifically in Dobrynya and the Dragon. Not being able to read Russian (or Ukranian) I’m not sure of the correct translation.
>>
>>I assume the bylinas I find in English (Folk Tales from the Russian and The epic songs of Russia, printed in 1906 and 1913) are translations of earlier printed Cyrillic books. If I can get the original term used in those books I can further my research.
>>
>>Thank you to anyone that can help with the translation and/or Slavic language sources.
>>
>>-Halbrust
>>
>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

Actually, the Kievan cycle bylinas were composed in 9 to 14 centuries, Dobrynia & the Serpent being (one of )the oldest. The "Green Wine" is the obvious late-period (and/or post-period) re-edition of the story. All the same, the oldest known published source of Bylinas is afair Kisha Danilov's Songs, about 1740; so there's no "original text" available.
The original source could refer to meads, beers jr wines, there was not a great variety of alcoholic drinks in Kievan Russia: wines were imported, meads and beers were home-made.

>
>
>Thank you Alexey!
>I will continue my research, but have another question that may help me along.
>
>According to Isabel Hapgood the lays of Vladimir (including Dobrynya and the Dragon, but not Sadko) were composed in the 10th-12th century and represent a time between 988 and 1147. This is obviously too early to be vodka, or any other distilled drink.
>
>If the original 12th century term was Зелено вино, what could it have been?
>Or what could the 12th century term be if it was not Зелено вино?
>
>-Halbrust
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Alexey Kiyaikin aka Posadnik < Posadnik@... >
>To: sig < sig@yahoogroups.com >
>Sent: Thu, May 16, 2013 10:27 pm
>Subject: Re: [sig] Translation help
>
>Greetings!
>
>Зелено вино, the late-period moonshine.
>It is also mentioned in the Sadko (пил зелено вино). The ethimology must be explained in the Pokhlyobkin's History of Vodka. AFAIR the explanations, originally it referred to зелье (poison/potion), not зеленый (green).
>
>Четверг, 16 мая 2013, 17:31 -04:00 от Joseph Belcher < iegrappling@... >:
>>
>>
>>I’m looking for the correct translation to “strong green wine”.
>>
>>In my research of Russia I have come across the term “strong green wine”. It is mentioned in the English versions of the bylinas, specifically in Dobrynya and the Dragon. Not being able to read Russian (or Ukranian) I’m not sure of the correct translation.
>>
>>I assume the bylinas I find in English (Folk Tales from the Russian and The epic songs of Russia, printed in 1906 and 1913) are translations of earlier printed Cyrillic books. If I can get the original term used in those books I can further my research.
>>
>>Thank you to anyone that can help with the translation and/or Slavic language sources.
>>
>>-Halbrust
>>
>>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>
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>
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>
>

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Joseph Belcher

I m digging and digging for evidence that doma or domu is the correct pre-1600 term for a Russian household or family. I have several passages from a 1617 book

Message 14 of 22
, Jun 17, 2013

I'm digging and digging for evidence that doma or domu is the correct pre-1600 term for a Russian household or family.

I have several passages from a 1617 book using the term дома. Is anyone willing to look over some scans and see if any of the uses apply in the way I want/need them to?

I've attempted using Google translate, but I'm having little to no luck. The images are scanned, and so I can not cut and paste text. Trying to type in the correct letters is not working very well.

-Halbrust

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Anya Stickney

I m willing to help. If you are on facebook, you cat post them to the facebook SIG page. That way, multiple people can see them and help. Always good to have

Message 15 of 22
, Jun 18, 2013

I'm willing to help. If you are on facebook, you cat post them to the
facebook SIG page. That way, multiple people can see them and help. Always
good to have multiple people's opinions with this sort of thing. Or perhaps
you can post them to the file section of this group?

> **
>
>
>
> I'm digging and digging for evidence that doma or domu is the correct
> pre-1600 term for a Russian household or family.
>
> I have several passages from a 1617 book using the term дома. Is anyone
> willing to look over some scans and see if any of the uses apply in the way
> I want/need them to?
>
> I've attempted using Google translate, but I'm having little to no luck.
> The images are scanned, and so I can not cut and paste text. Trying to type
> in the correct letters is not working very well.
>
> -Halbrust
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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