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Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

Originally Posted by DVSentinel

What "big tent" are you referring to? Since the 60's, the GOP has been taking in refugees from the liberalization of the Dems. The religious "right" used to be on the left. Many of the "GOP states" used to be staunch Dems.

In a system that realistically only has 2 parties, unity and harmony within a particular party is almost impossible. It looks like the Jews maybe ready to jump sides. If Labor ever woke up to how the greenie-weenie faction of the Dems has hurt them far more than the anti-union "right" ever has, we may see them jump also. Some of those have already changed. I know a few "old southern Democrats" who still say they are Dems but don't vote for or speak up for members of that party.

You mean the GOP took in the racists after the Dems passed the CRA. They finally found something worse than a Republican Lincoln freeing the slaves. The GOP is still shackled by those backward SOB's. Their "strength" has become their downfall.

Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

You should know by now that arguing points that were never made or were wrong from the start is the lifeblood of any political discussion board...

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Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

Originally Posted by matchlight

I would not have let them be part of a conservative event either. No conservative, of whatever sexual orientation, would favor having the Supreme Court concoct a constitutional "right" of homosexuals to marry each other. Any state that chooses to include same-sex couples in its marriage laws is already perfectly free to do that, as a number of states have. In the same way, every state should be free to exclude same-sex couples from its marriage laws. The matter does not raise any constitutional question.

The proponents of the homosexual agenda are statists, and like their fellow statist and idol Barack Obama, they do not give a damn about the Constitution or the rule of law. True to their bullying, brownshirt instincts, they care only about forcing everyone else to do things their way. The people who want to play junior gauleiter in this country are asking for a fight they are not ready for.

I'm guessing you've never seen this before. Scroll to the bottom for a list of names and their positions. It was an impressive showing.

The bans are accordingly inconsistent with amici’s understanding of the properly limited role of government. Rather, amici embrace Barry Goldwater’s expression of that understanding, namely that “[w]e do not seek to lead anyone’s life for him—we seek only to secure his rights and to guarantee him opportunity to strive, with government performing only those needed and constitutionally sanctioned tasks which cannot otherwise be performed.

Amici further believe that when the government does act in ways that affect individual freedom in matters of family and child-rearing, it should promote family-supportive values like responsibility, fidelity, commitment, and stability. Much has been written about the deleterious impact of family breakdown in our Nation today. There is a need for more Americans to choose to participate in the institution of marriage. Yet these bans, by denying each member of an entire class of American citizens the right to marry the person he or she loves, discourage those important family values. They discourage responsibility, fidelity, and commitment. And they harm children, denying them and their loving parents the basic legal protections that provide stability and security so critical to child-rearing.

...concluded that there is no legitimate, fact-based reason for denying same-sex couples the same recognition in law that is available to opposite-sex couples. Rather, amici have concluded that marriage is strengthened, and its value to society and to individual families and couples is promoted, by providing access to civil marriage for all American couples—heterosexual or gay or lesbian alike. In particular, civil marriage provides stability for the children of same-sex couples, the value of which cannot be overestimated. In light of these conclusions, amici believe that the Fourteenth Amendment prohibits States from denying same-sex couples the legal rights and responsibilities that flow from the institution of civil marriage.

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I am afraid we will see more of this. A lot of people that were very positive an gay rights have been turned off and are becoming angry since they feel the gay activists have overshot and are aggressively intruding on other people's Constitutional rights. The following triumphalism of broadcasting how bakers were crushed for following their conscience and other blatant bigotry have cost the gay movement dearly too.

Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

Interesting. Does that mean that the behavior of (for example) anti-WTO protestors or anti-war protestors can be laid at the feet of the Democrat Party?

“In America we have a two-party system,” a Republican congressional staffer told a visiting group of Russian legislators. “There is the stupid party. And there is the evil party. I am proud to be a member of the stupid party. Periodically, the two parties get together and do something that is both stupid and evil. This is called: bipartisanship."

Re: Conservative Group Bars Log Cabin Republicans From Event

Interesting. Does that mean that the behavior of (for example) anti-WTO protestors or anti-war protestors can be laid at the feet of the Democrat Party?

Of course, using what appears to be his logic.

The behavior of the Wall Street protestors can be laid at the feet of the Democratic Party, since most of them vote for Democrats. The actions and behaviors and words of the New Black Panthers can be laid at the feet of the Democratic Party, since most of them vote for the Democrats. Hell, let's lay George Zimmerman's behavior at the feet of the Democratic Party since he volunteered for and voted for Barack Obama.

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