a) Some of the brightest people at Western attend IVEY, and the faculty has very high admission standards. So no, you don't "transfer" to IVEY. You have to be ACCEPTED to this top-tier institution. Fail.

b) Yes... I'm sure that 99% of people in other faculties will never work at a "business" of any sort, or ever have to wear a suit. That was sarcasm. Of course they will. The only difference is they'll be making less money and taking orders from IVEY grads.

You guys can hate on IVEY all day, but that doesn't change the cold, hard reality that we're better than you.

12:32, the hard reality is that IVEY students are ridiculously pretentious thinking that they're more superior than the rest of Western only because they may potentially make more money than the rest. The reality is, there are many grads from other faculties at western who will make much more money than you ever will but we're not so self conscious about our sad lives, that we would flaunt it like the IVEY students do. That being said, the previous statement is false if you're doing your MBA at IVEY and comparing that to an undergrad, which is even sadder because you have to compare yourselves to someone without a post graduate degree just to make yourselves feel better.

Ah. Y'know, when you Ivey trolls were here last year, it was getting a little annoying and excessive, but once you stopped, everyone ceased to comment, and the site got boring, save the single laugh you'd get from someone quoted on something stupid. Now, we have lots of stupid things to read from HBA students! Here's to some long overdue comment box train-wrecks.

1:48... and there are high schools dropouts who will become billionaires. What's your point? All that matters is that ON AVERAGE, HBA grads make 20 to 30k more than most other undergrads.

And no, the prospect of "more money" isn't the only thing that makes Ivey better. We learn useful, interesting material. We have some of the best faculty in the world teaching us. We have TONS of international/extracurricular opportunities. And perhaps most awesome is that Ivey is a much more tight-knit community than any other faculty... non-stop section parties, fun events, bars every other night. Most HBAs easily make several hundred friends after being in the program for only a few months. The social experience is amazing. But I guess nerdy left-wing introverts like yourselves wouldn't understand...

Tight-knit???? You think Ivy is the most Tight-knit faculty??? Bitch please... try heading a couple hundred meters down the hill and check out the Music faculty. It may only be the smallest faculty on campus, but trust me...EVRYONE knows EVERYONE. And before you try again to assert your supposed superiority with this "you'll be flipping our burgers" crap, I’ll just say, none of us give two shits about how much money you *might* make or how much money we might not. Because here’s the thing, we’re going to be the happier ones. We’re the ones doing something for the right reasons. Let me ask you how many of your average Ivy students can say they are doing what they are doing because it is what they are truly passionate about? How many can say they eat, sleep and breathe business? How many can say it feeds their soul? How many of you can say you will never retire because to retire would mean giving up everything that sustains you and that you are passionate about? How many of you are excited to go to every single one of your classes? No one does an arts degree because their parents forced them or because they just want the money, they do it because it what they are passionate about and are willing to do whatever it takes to be more than just financially sustained for the rest their lives. Oh and by the way, you actually can make a living and a pretty good one with music. Do you know how much a Church Choir director in the Sates and can make…$60,000 a year. Now I realize this isn’t the $200,000 that you might THINK you’re gonna make, but it’s a lot more than flippin’ your burgers would get us. Okay, I’m sorry for the rant, but I’ve sat by in silence through all arts bashing and I’m just sick of it. So when you want music lessons for your kids so that they can expand their lateral thinking and improve their math, English, analysis, concentration, emotional and psychological maturity, work ethic, cognitive reasoning, pattern identification and general IQ so that they can improve their changes of achieving a degree of THEIR CHOICE, don’t come to me Bitch!

I agree w 6:58. And 6:03, regarding your comment about "We have TONS of international/extracurricular opportunities, non-stop section parties, fun events, bars every other night. Most HBAs easily make several hundred friends after being in the program for only a few months. The social experience is amazing." I hope you realize that the rest of Western does that too hence the almost nightly line ups at the bars, not to mention first year, and lastly just because you "know" hundreds of people, it doesn't mean that they all like you because they're probably fake snobby bitches just like you! Also, why would you try to insult nerds when the stereotype is that they're smart, which is the majority of western (including yourself.. assuming you're not one of those dropouts who don't study.. because IVEY is "SOOOOOO" hard)

Okay. Fine. Here we go: do you want to know why I can assert that IVEY is superior to most other programs? Because I have been in both IVEY *and* in the "rest of Western". Those of YOU slandering Ivey, however, have never been in the HBA program... so guess what? You're in no position to critque the validity of my claims since you have no knowledge of IVEY at all. All you have is heresy and blind anti-IVEY hatred.

During my first two years, I was in socialsci. I had a good time, met some great people, and took several enjoyable classes. My last two years I have been in IVEY. While my first two years at Western were definitely fun, I can say that, to put it bluntly, IVEY is much more amazing.

To those of you slandering IVEY: can you say for certain that you wouldn't be having a better time in IVEY than in your current program? I think a lot of you are forgetting that IVEY recruits from a vast variety of progams... from MOS to visual arts. And everyone I've talked to in the HBA program concurs that Ivey is much more engaging and exciting than their previous faculties. Coincidence? I think not.

As to the tool who claimed that those at IVEY "can't really like business"... not true at all. I'm in a marketing/advertising stream and yes, I do love it. Likewise, I know people who genuinely find finance or operations to be both interesting and challenging. The courses are interesting and when I graduate I know I'll be making real decisions with real outcomes.

In short, even a fraction of Ivey is more greatness than your arrogance can conceive. Before you slander the faculty, know what the f*ck you're talking about! NONE of you have been to Ivey, NONE of you can make an objective assessment of whether or not it sucks.

Way to set 6:58 up as a straw man, 8:30. Don't use quotation marks unless you're actually quoting. He/she didn't say you "can't really like business." I'm sure many of you must, or you'd all be going mad slaving over the study of a subject you don't care about. That isn't the point. The point is, when you brag about your social experiences and your potential salaries, music students? Don't care. We aim to make a living doing what we're passionate about. And don't give me that crap about "real decisions with real outcomes" (look, see? You actually did say that), because sure, the world, as it exists now, needs people like you. But it also needs people like us. And you can do all the denying you want, but businessmen are more often the ones who end up with ulcers. Don't discount artists because you make more money than we do. We don't care.

no, wait. "NONE of you have been to Ivey, NONE of you can make an objective assessment of whether or not it sucks." so YOUR experience speaks for the rest of us eh? I think your "case-study" method has overtaken simple thought.

"In short, even a fraction of Ivey is more greatness than your arrogance can conceive." Hmm... sounds pretty arrogant that Ivey trolls have to comment all the time about how good they are.

Check your attitude at the door, get on some anti-depressants or something so you can stop popping your collars and making sure everyone knows you're in Ivey so you're "better" than them. Tell the doctors and policemen and educators that you make "real decisions with real outcomes" and see if they want to help you pull your head out of your ass.

"And everyone I've talked to in the HBA program concurs that Ivey is much more engaging and exciting than their previous faculties."

So, strictly speaking, 8:30 wasn't giving his/her "own" opinion (provided that we take as true the assessment that the vast majority of ivey students agree that ivey is better than the faculties they were in before)

4:22,...dammit. that's what i get for reading this shit at night. good call.

i hope, though, for 8:30's sake, that he hasn't spent that much time asking everyone else at Ivey how much better they like it, because that would be very very sad. and even though i can't read and missed that piece of information in his post, his claims to objectivity fall short. if he asked people in Ivey what they liked better, their old faculty or Ivey, they are more likely to say Ivey because they applied to Ivey for a certain reason in the first place! Bottom line, darn you for catching my mistake :P

also, 8:30 should recognize that the only reason Ivey is being slandered is because he/she is coming on here and slandering every other program on campus. i don't think most people here have a problem with Ivey, they have a problem with dicks like him, which can be found in any faculty. blah!

If IVEY is so great, why do the Ivery students feel so threatened by comments suggesting that they're not? Shouldn't it be self-evident that they're the best? And if so, shouldn't they be able to laugh off the criticisms as mumblings of lesser people?

If Ivey is so great, prove it by not responding to the critics so dramatically and emotionally. Laugh it off. Go on, I dare you, and bet you can't do it.

I think it's irrational to compare a professional program with regular undergrad programs. I just got into med (and..we have some ex-Iveys. They found business school unfulling.) and I find it much better than my undergrad experience in so many ways. It's a smaller program that's incredibly close-knit, I'm studying something I love with direct applications to a career I've always wanted, and I'm surrounded by people who are passionate about similar things as me. There are also tons of international opportunities (that involve doing something really positive for humanity, like working in AIDS prevention in Africa, rural clinics in India, etc), as well as extracurricular and political opportunities (we can sit on the OMA, and have federal/provincial lobbying liasions). There's a lot of things I miss about undergrad, like having a more varied social circle, getting to do non-science stuff once in awhile, having free time, but it's still been a positive change.The point of me saying this? Your Ivey experience isn't so special. It's actually pretty common to professional school in general and smaller, skill-driven programs like music. Don't go on about being better than social sci or whatever. The comparison doesn't fit. Try making the argument, as a professional school, that you're better than other professional schools. I dare you.

^agreed. Seriously, I'm sure a lot of bankers out there are not from ivey. You can learn how to do mortgages and investments in college. And give me a break, do you really need to go to a professional school to learn mortages and investment? Even housewives know that shit.

11:40, you are confused. Performing musicians are proletariat. Those who go to concerts in a pompous performing arts centre are elitist. Really, it's just the patron lord and their employed court entertainment reinvented.

No, 12:00, YOU are confused. You believe there is a clear distinction between "performers" and "listeners"--well, I have news for you--there isn't. Musicians enjoy live music as much as anyone (if not more so), and just because they'd like an acoustically sound space to hear it in doesn't make them elitist.

And since when did enjoying classical (i.e. unamplified) music become a reprehensible act? There's a lot more classical music lovers out there than you think.

Haha... Ivey students capable of calculating math behind mortgages???? Now you got me laughing... Oh please... Ivey students cannot do simple arithmetics, which isn't surprising given that 90% of them took Math 030 to keep up with the required 80+ average...

not to change the subject but i can't believe someone would actually say they don't believe autism exists.

and.. using the term "better" to describe Ivey, music or any other program of study is completely ignorant. how could this society function if we didn't have people working in every sector? this dichotomous good/bad, better/worse thing is so ridiculous. i can't believe that our generation is so stupid. this ivey kid makes me laugh so hard i pee my pants.

Not necessarily. Being a business exec would suck ass, unless you like 75 hour work weeks and enough stress to kill you three times over before you retire. Especially for something purposeless like making money by selling useless junk to people that probably don't need it. Scrubbing shit is a lot less complicated, and nobody has ever worried about getting a floor swept on time. You can go home, have a beer, and chill. No late nights at the office, or other such nonsense.

Frankly, unless you can manage to make money on something you're really passionate about, or that suits your preferences, you'll hate your job no matter what you do or how much you make for it. After all, if a dentist can get paid six figures for poking around in mouths and still blow his own head off at the end of the day, what really makes you think a happy janitor isn't in a better situation?

So, no. Some careers aren't better than others. It's all relative to the individual.

My Uncle is a billionaire working in Canadian Tire and he loves his job. Loves it to death. But he hates that he has lost so much time with his family for it. He sat down with both of my brothers after they finished University (one is a business grad and one is a computer science grad) and told them both the same thing. He told them that many people think they want to be in business but don't understand the toll being a millionaire business man/business woman comes with (and yes this is also true with doctors, lawyers, so on). He had both of them go home and really think about what mattered to them. He told them that if family, travelling, friends, free time, etc. mattered to them than they don't want a job like his. He loves his job but he works a lot of 12-15 hour days and hardly sees his family at all. To me family matters a great deal, friends matter, having time to enjoy life matters. So no, I don't think a business man is better than anyone else. It's all relative.

However, if you have the nerve to claim you are better than anyone than you are probably worse than that person.

Does anyone else find it deliciously fitting that we're perseverating about Ivey on a completely unrelated post about autism? I think some of us might need to check out just where exactly we are on the autism spectrum. . . .