Part P (again)

It **is** (a) and (b) and (c). That is the way legislation reads.
Part P translates this as
"Work that is not in a kitchen or special location and does not involve a
special installation and consists of:....
Adding lighting points (light fittings and switches) to an existing circuit
Adding socket-outlets and fused spurs to an existing ring or radial circuit
Installing or upgrading main or supplementary equipotential bonding"
i.e. (a) and (b) and (c)

You're going to look for a long time in any legislation enacted by
this government.,

A ring main is not used for interior house wiring. A ring circuit
(correctly ring final circuit) is.
It may or may not be necessary to replace more than one section of
cable if it is damaged.
However, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. I already
said that I thought the legislation was a nonsense, so I see no reason
to try to justify its idiocies.

Would you like me to send you a copy of the letter from Raynsford?

Obviously. He seems to be as confused as you are.

As I said, would you like me to send you a copy of the letter from
Raynsford?

Don't be stupid. It's perfectly obvious both from the text and the
context that it is all three.

Perhaps an example would help...
It would appear that IMM has a poor grasp of basic English, lacks
comprehension, and has a limited ability to type.
Clearly all three apply.
To make the first part of a sentence of similar construction exclusive
we would need an "or". Thus: it would appear that IMM has a poor grasp
of basic English, or, he has made a basic error, and is too intransigent
to admit it.
Simple, obvious.

whole thing totally stupid! Bullshit!
un-enforceable!
66,000 electrical contracting businesses in the UK!
10,000 registered with NICEIC, 3000 with ECA
hence 50,000 firms or 70% approx of the Electrical Contracting industry will
be working illegally in January!
unless they register with an approved scheme - in other words - pay the
cash - get a card!
schemes hurriedly being set up - cause there's money in it!
NICEIC have said(they can increase resources, staff, buildings,
administration, etc) by 500% in 6 months - BULLSHIT!
What about plumbers, kitchen fitters, bedroom fitters, little builders,
conservatory guys, garden landscapers, and a host of other trades who fiddle
with electrics? all now illegal!
Hence CORGI, FENSA etc are trying to set up schemes for limited scope
certification (government guidelines apparently published this week but I
haven't found em yet)
They are all in this 'cause there is money to be made!!
T'is a money making scam the likes of which Jimmy Hoffa would be proud!
Me-thinks the electric police will not be bothering the DIY guy for a while
cause - there is no DIY police (Building Control have no electrical
inspectors - and they are few and far between hence they will be busy -
no-one can train any new ones cause no-one knows how to do it - pay yer
money get the card!) and they have bigger fish in sight (50,000 electrical
contacting businesses)
Incidentally - I spent some 20 years investigating fires / deaths etc - I
have seen a number of electrocutions, equally suicides and accidents or
faulty appliances. Many fires due to a number of causes including faulty
appliances and misuse of appliances. I have never seen a fire attributable
to faulty electrical wiring. You try to set something on fire with
normal electrical wiring and fittings - you cannot do it - try it? It
can be done but is extremely difficult - try it -nb I will not responsible
if anyone tries it and burns the house down!
BULLSHIT - IGNORE IT - NOT ENFORCEABLE
IN the meantime - dont forget that every-one has a legal (HSW act) and a
moral responsibility (civil law) to ensure what they do is safe! If you
cock it up and hurt someone or damage something - it is your responsibility
and you could pay the price - compensation , fines, jail. That's the
bottom line - do it right then there will not be a problem.
Cheers - this has been winding me up for a while!!
Nb :- coincidence new wiring colours - so the non-existent electric
police can tell what is old work and what is new?
coincidence house buyers package with certificates etc?
Jimmy Hoffa - you need to go to the likes NICEIC, ECA or CORGI for lessons
in how to get control of an industry!

The trade press makes for amusing reading. Stuffed full of
complaints by electricians about both Part P and the new
wiring colours, and stuffed full of adverts to join the
accredited organisations. It would seem that takeup has been
very low, leaving majority of electricians, in particular most
of those who do domestic work, outside accredited schemes.
Also, a number of electricians near retirement age have
decided this is the moment to bail out and put their feet up.

NICEIC just bought out one of the other schemes (making somewhat
of a mochary of the ODPM emsuring there were several to choose
from).

I know CORGI and FENSA are in on the act. I suspect the government
is starting to get concerned that electricians aren't willing to
join any of the schemes.

(a) Lots of work falls outside Part P so it will not be illegal.
(b) My very limited experience of electrics as done by kitchen
fitters is that perhaps they should regulated (also q.v. the case
of Jenny Tonge's daughter and the cooker hood installed by a
professional firm with a cable wandering across the wall)

The Scots and NI are free to do their own thing. For energy, Part
L, Part J and Part F are all different, which makes life
interesting for those of us who write software to check for
compliance.
http://www.sda.co.uk/info/shw/shewsni.htm

This is more or less my take on it. Unenforceable!
FENSA and CORGI were able to become regulators for two different reasons
neither of which apply for Electrics.
FENSA because there really was not much of a diy replacment window market
or window replacment by general tradesmen.
CORGI because most people and a lot of tradersmem would not dream of
'having a go' with gas.
With electrics there are many thousands of specialist firms who are not
registered and several million general tradesmen and diyers who are
comfortable with minor (and not so minor) electrical work.
I am waiting to see how the public/govt/media react to the reality in
January, to see what line I'll take.
Most of my customers would take the view "I'd rather have you working on
the electrics than someone I don't know". I guess that will go for the
majority of tradesmen who have a customer base.

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