Such a shame to corrupt an all valve signal path with horrid solid state pedals!

Do your research. Most PROs get their distortion from good pedals on top of their amps distortion than the amp alone. THAT IS A FACT MY FRIEND!!!

Even Steve and Joe use pedals on top of their amps to get that sound that you love so much. Steve even has a pedal coming out that's very simular to the Jekll and Hyde i.e. Jemini.

Most amps, even great tube amps just can't get that saturation than most hard rock and metal players try to achive. You can get a great basic distortion for rock or blues from many amps out there, but 80% of all the guitar heros use some sort of pedal to dial in their sound. Do you not agree?

And no, haha. I do not work for VisualSound. lol. I just really, really love my amp!

It's not the pedal alone with a tube amp. You use the pedal to really push the tubes into overdrive. the pedal just boosts and EQ's the signal from your guitars pickups before it gets to the tubes.

I agree that lots of great tube amps out there has great gain sounds alot. But why do all or most of the pros use some sort of distortion or boost pedal along with their amp? Joe, Stevi Vai, Hendrix, Vahn, Gilbert, Johnson, they all use solid state pedals, no?

Lo Lo wrote: Do your research. Most PROs get their distortion from good pedals on top of their amps distortion than the amp alone. THAT IS A FACT MY FRIEND!!!

The majority of musicians that use an OD/distortion pedal with their tube amp use them as a boost, not as their main source of distortion. Like DiMarzio said, an OD in front of a tube amp can really tighten up your sound and/or smooth things out.

Lo Lo wrote:Most amps, even great tube amps just can't get that saturation than most hard rock and metal players try to achive.

Cranking a tube amp results in that power tube saturation that most guitarists enjoy the most. You don't need a pedal to get that. Even with a pedal in front of your amp, at low volume levels you're barely working the power tubes. You're just adding to the preamp distortion. OD pedals were created to reproduce the sound of an overdriven tube amp, though they work great for giving an amp that extra edge.

That's totally subjective. I personally wouldn't take either of the Workhorse amps over what else is out there within the same price range. I'm not saying it's a bad amp or anything.

ppvai wrote:btw, i´ve been watching some vids
and saw that the peavey jsx has a good
sound! and has 3 chanels.

has someone hear it or play it?
just curious..

The JSX has a great clean channel. The Crunch channel is really nice as well. It can go from a light breakup, blues, Classic 50 crunch, smooth lead tone, and a decent metal tone. That's all in the Crunch channel alone. I wasn't too impressed with the Ultra channel no matter how I EQ'd it. It's too compressed and I couldn't stand the high end fizz. The Ultra channel has a bit of a fizzy high end as well, but it's tolerable. Give one a try if you can, be sure to crank it up. It's nothing special at bedroom levels, really comes alive once you crank it.

Well I think there's an amp for everybodys taste. The Workhorse fits my taste and needs exactly! It's a botique amp and I love it. I was searching for tone, not cost....I do understand that this is only MY opinion thou. I was just giving him another amp option to have fun with.

As far as the powertube thing......You may have a point with that. I think that most tube amps sound warmer with more saturation when cracked. But in most players situation how often can you really do that at home? I only get a chance to crank my amp from between 1pm til 4pm. That's when the neighbors get home from work!