I doubt most of you remember me, but I was the second adminstrator to be here when Blackbeard used to run the joint. I left on a mission to Africa about 3 months after Optix Illusions setup the first UBB about 4? years ago.I've lost track of time.

It's dissappointing to see some old faces but I've come to track down a few of the highlighted members. It seems Optix Illusions isn't here anymore, but I'd do what anyone would do and search the board for his name on clues why. It seems Optix Illusions and Gizmo had a difference in the minds. I got ahold of Optix and Blackbeard. Turns out Blackbeard owns his own hosting company and Optix is about to finish college.

I realize that people haven't been able to contact me. But I've found a few of you. It seems this place turned into a kids fun house. Being that by the looks of the posts most people may be under the age of 14? Not to put any disrespect but an army shows as their leader is.

So what's this gathering? In Portland, Oregon? Sounds like fun, but I think we have enough rednecks in Utah. Seems like you guys didn't set that one up all too well.

Also what I've noticed was the banners. UGN Security was banner free, and proudly supported. I still have yet to get into the groove with this place but I do plan on visiting this place now and then. Also the site used to be immaculate, now it's well, Very very messy.Also with the way certain disclaimers look, they don't seem to be able to be disclaimers that will hold up in court if anyone wanted to press charges on UGN Security

But still it's great to see that this site is still up and the burden was taken off Blackbeard. Also I think I slightly remember Gizmo here as a newbie. Wasn't too sure about it though.

From your attitudes I see most of you don't care, but Optix Illusions is now a part of Linux Lamers, and I remember Xuno, IceDog, and Predator who seem to hang out there as well. Turns out they all run thejoint (Horribly atm because of their conflict with having social lives). Last we heard IceDog and Optix are going to party in hawaii for 5 weeks (I wanna come dudes!) and they're setting up a conference in Cancun mexico from the rumors going around. (Seems like they've got their shit situated). Since the only people I knew aren't on this server really, I plan on being on Linux Lamers for a while. I also plan on hanging out at least until they finish the site.

I don't know how many of you remember me, but I'd be more then happy to hear from you if you e-mailed me. [email protected]

Hmm, nice post, but what's the point? Just to insult? How nice of you. The disclaimer is the same one which Blackbeard used, in case you didn't know. And last I heard Optix was either joining the military or going to prison...

And if you consider constructive criticism to be insulting well, it shows the amount of maturity you have.

I'm not suprised on how this server is, but just slightly disappointed with the turnout. Also the lack of stability?

But dashocker, I'm just saying from what I've seen as a spectator, soon to be an active member. Either on LL or UGN Security, perhaps both even. I'm just pondering everything I've seen and heard on here.

And the disclaimer that BlackBeard used wasn't the original disclaimer, the original disclaimer was over 3000 words long, that Optix Illusions setup on the webboard.

About "And last I heard Optix was either joining the military or going to prison... " ... well wouldn't that just be hearsay?

Heya Titanium Fox. I know who you are, but I don't really know the first thing about you. Nonetheless, welcome back to UGN Security. Try not too let the kiddies bother you too much. If we did then none of us that try to ignore that kind of thing would be here either. And also, ignore Dashocker. Everyone else on this board does.

Optix and I had more than a dispute of how UGN Security should be ran, he ran UGN Security into the ground, he talked smack to EVERY one of the affiliates and pissed each and every one of them off, his whole plan was to run it down into nothingness so that he could be it's "savior"...

And UGN Security is as it's always been, a place of public speach and (geared towards) knowledge. Granted that most of the community is >18 at least people are still geared towards wanting to know how the box works and thinking outside of it as opposed to being inside of it and doing as their told.

And whats this about "it's leader" ? Funny, last I looked I was in my 20's, unless something happened that I didn't hear about...

And Portland doens't have redneck's, the only redneck I've seen is some crazy mother fucker who wears 3 pairs of sweatpants over a pair of jeans on the bus lol...

The gathering fell through because it isn't free, it was basically an attempt to get people together, but since it's not someplace flashy like Hawaii or Las Vegas (I'm not moving back afterall) some people don't want to do it.

UGN Security has banners to help support it, granted I do have a Job and should be able to maintain it, but I believe that something "popular" should be able to maintain its own. As for it always being "banner free" it did once have banners when beard owned it, in fact the Advertising section is his work.

I know that the site is sort of "dirty" with the coding, but I don't know MySQL for shit and I'm always working so I don't have the time nor the resources to sit all day and code, hence why bits and peices are up when I have the time to put them up.

And when I "joined" UGN Security, I wasn't a "newbie", I have Weeve to back me up on that, UGN Security was just a place to sit back and get to know people and learn some tricks of the trade, which is what I always loved and always have tried to provide.

It is however good to see you around again, I do honestly hope to get a chance to talk with you some more and catch up on whats been going on with life.

More Useless Trivia: There are 9 states west of Wyoming, including Alaska and Hawaii.Even More Useless Trivia: The combined population of those 9 states is 55,568,165 per the 2000 U.S. census. The population of the entire U.S. was recorded at 281,421,906.

Oregon holds more trailer parks than under 20% of the states, and in an area with less than 20% of the population. Pretty impressive.

Hello Titanium Fox,I feel that while many of your points are "valid", I must agree with Gizmo on the one point that Optix was driving UGN Security into the ground. I looked up to him while he helped me in my earlier linux days, but he soon began abusing his power.

As for IceDog, I also looked up to him until he gave himself the power to bitch about going to church and kicked me from irc when i started talking about my suicidal friend.

Both abused their powers, but had a lot to offer. It is truly too bad that they felt like they had the power to get away with what they did. I believe that almost everyone had some of the same issues as me.

Food for thought: (Wow I feel like I'm being cornered as one of few who like Optix Illusions)

If you were in a situation where you 2 were the only ones who really took care of the place, while having to deal with very busy social and business lives, wouldn't you want something you give your free time, to be controlled and in order?

If you look at the amount and haved asked them personally about thier lives, you would know why some people do these things. Unfortunately it's rare for people to have extremely active social lives and be in this scene at the same time. I guess it shows you something about the unique opportunity we've all had by knowing 2 of them at the same time.

As for Optix Illusions running UGN Security into the ground? I believe from the amount of chat logs i got on his server (not linux lamers, and compared to the logs i've seen for the past year and a half on the irc server) was Optix Illusions and Icedog were wise beyond thier years. They would deal with UGN Security the way they felt they should. It points to the age difference and maturity levels within current and previous admin.

And since I had a list of older members from a few people I've been in contact with, I have also realized the disappearance of members who liked Optix and Icedog, also I have noticed who's been mature about the situation, so it doesn't show much about the people here.

Who are you to judge one another, as well as having libel terms on this board about them? Can you honestly say that you would verbally attack Optix Illusions or Icedog to their faces if you were alone standing in front of them? Don't answer that, it will cause more contraversy on here and this would become an extremely dramatic thread. So lets end the arguement on that note.

I've come to see, well a halt in the site here. The information you learn goes from sub-newbie, to newbie. Where are the texts for people who still have a thirst for knowledge? Or is this UGN Security - The Shuttle to the plane before you gain more knowledge.

Titanium Fox: Your pety bickering is not making this board a better place. It is obvious that you do not know gizmo, as stated in your first post: "also I think I slightly remember Gizmo here". We do know him. All you know is hersey from what other, obviously bitter, people are telling you. We all know what happened and we chose to remain here. If you don't like the way this site is being run now, you don't have to be here. I for one, say the more the merrier as long as thier contributions are positive and arent trying to start childish arguements because their old friends aren't in control anymore. Most of the people at UGN Security and LL are still friends and welcome each other. Don't get involved in other people's differences, it doesen't look very good on your behalf.

Thanks Inf :x Yah, most people do ignore me. You should probably do the same. All I was saying is if you just wanted to contact certain people you could have done so on an individual basis. Instead, you decided to make a post which included "constructive criticism." I don't think calling Gizmo a redneck and making Optix and Blackbeard seem like business geniuses qualifies as constructive criticism. If you are willing to stay and share your knowledge I salute you. If you really have something to add to UGN Security to make it a better place, don't waste your time with this "constructive criticism" crap. It has been tried before, and it gets real old real fast. That's all I'm gonna say.

P.S. I don't know where you live, but on the West Coat, living expenses are astronomical. A lot of people with a middle-class lifestyle can't even afford a house out there. Just some food for thought.