the refs were awful. It started off with that phantom 30 yard pass interference, then not knowing what down it was, then going beyond one play and fixing that mistake... the "fumble" by nick miller, and more phantom penalties for both teams, not just the raiders.

there's a real buzz in the nation at the moment bro. . . After the fans turned there back on the organization last year. It finally looks like the raiders are getting rid of there mike dunleavy <aka Jamarcus- high draft pick/low production> he's getting replaced as a starter by a player similar to Stephen Jackson <aka jason campbell without the negative locker room beef, just a straight up hard worker> also after years of drafting like Robert Rowell and bringing in swingmen we totally flipped the script and drafted footballers as oppossed to track n field athletes. I also gotta stress how the schedule is really favorable this year for the Afc west <Bada n the Niners fans won't agree> but getting to play the Nfc west this year probably equates to a extra 3 wins on top of our 5 we got last year. Still a lot of time to go til the football season kicks off n a lot can happened. But the raiders could very well be in the playoff mix come december.

Campbell is an upgrade but not as talented as a NFL player as S. Jax has been as a NBA player. Campbell is not the answer, but he will have to due for now.

Playing the NFC West will give you guys 1-2 wins but definitely not 3 - I'll make a sig/avatar bet on that.

bet away buddy. . . I'll happily rock your stale and un imagitite Niners logo/sig all the way after the superbowl. I'm pretty sure the last Nfc west match comes for us on October 31st. I'd be willing to represent Niner nation all the way to the Superbowl.

So what are the terms?

-If the raiders are over .500 (3 or more wins) in the NFC West you loose?-If the raiders are below .500 VS NFC West teams I win, if they are Above .500 you win, and if they are .500 it's a tie?-If the 9ers win I win, Raiders win you win... Or something else?

You do understand, that in essence i believed we won 3 games against the NFC WEST... If you don't take into account that Sebastian Janikowski missed that Field Goal in Arizona... then we raiders would of had a 3-1 record about you clowns.

But the Humble Pie is eaten cause i'd rather lose a sigbet over a missed field goal against Arizona and then win with clutch Field Goal shooting against the Chiefs in a game the raiders had to win (the Arizona match wasn't crucial, but you need to win as many games in the NFL)

Feel kind of dirty knowing we lost to Team Sushi. The Bruce experiment is over.I even think Coach Cable has out maneuvered himself into the unemployement line with the coaching carasoul this year. Perhaps we give Kyle Boller another look?

I knew about him being a laker fan.... so not surprising he is a dodger fan. interesting to see he is a raider fan, though, and of course he is a Stanford Fan which is my team as well. 2 out of four aint bad!