Because HTC has been making phones since 1998 withouth a problem with essential GSM patents like Nokia sued for to Apple?

Again, you don't know that. Nokia isn't the only company with essential patents in this area. As we found out recently, Nortel has a very large patent portfolio that includes essential patents in these areas, which is a major reason why the bidding is around $1 billion for them so far, and why it may go higher. Motorola also has patents in this area, and I wouldn't be surprised if others did as well.

Again, you don't know that. Nokia isn't the only company with essential patents in this area. As we found out recently, Nortel has a very large patent portfolio that includes essential patents in these areas, which is a major reason why the bidding is around $1 billion for them so far, and why it may go higher. Motorola also has patents in this area, and I wouldn't be surprised if others did as well.

What has to do that other companies have essential patents with HTC not having paying fees to Nokia?

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Would you word that so it makes sense?

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You said that nokia didn't denied some claims from Apple. What claims?

The issue was never Apple paying. Apple knew it had to pay. The issue was Nokia wanting Apple to pay discriminatory licensing fees. Nokia was trying to subject Apple to more in licensing fees then it did the other licensees and additional conditions. Since Nokia made those patents freely available to the standard's body, which Apple is a member, Nokia couldn't do that.

This is a very good article about FRANd, and the telecommunications industry regarding IP in general. It shows ythat Nokia has sued before, though that's just a sideline. I believe that it does show how companies like Nokia use their patent portfolio, and it's directed towards the problems of that usage. Well worth a read.

Sure that is what Apple said. Nokia hasn't denied it either. It also is more believable then Apple just refusing to pay the licenses that everybody else has to pay. Apple pays other parties in the licensing body, why wouldn't Apple pay?

Apple thought it would strong arm Apple. Now that Nokia is going Windows it makes sense for Nokia to give Apple the licensing terms it should, and stop trying to get cross licensing agreements from Apple.

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Originally Posted by Gwydion

That's what Apple said, do you know how much other companies pay and what Apple was asked to pay?

What has to do that other companies have essential patents with HTC not having paying fees to Nokia?

Because you don't know if Nokia actually does own essential patents, or whether other companies own patents that can work around that. That a major problem in these cases. If you read the link I just provided, you'll see that companies often CLAIM that their patents are essential, but sometimes are not. You'll also see that they bundle a large group of patents together that they claim are essential as a group, when only some of the patents may be essential, thereby attempting to get others to license all of them, rather than just the ones needed, at much greater cost.

It's possible that that's what Nokia attempted to do here, though without understanding exactly what each patent does, and how important it is, none of us here can make that determination.

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You said that nokia didn't denied some claims from Apple. What claims?

Ok, when using a word, such as you have with "deny", in the way you did, you don't change it to the past tense. The word is simply "deny". Or, you can say that Nokia denied some claims, but then don't use the word "didn't".

That was what was confusing.

Nokia didn't specifically deny Apples' claims as to what they were asking for the IP, they just said that they were fair. That doesn't actually say anything about the specific claims themselves. If I ask you to pay twice what I'm asking everyone else, I can say it's fair. But that doesn't say anything.

The big question now is will Nokia make more money in 2015 from the sale of windows phones or from royalties from iPhone / iPad sales?

And of course, which company will Nokia go after next. My guess is HTC because they are on track to sell over 40 million smartphones this calendar year.

Your misinformation defines you. This is a small technology patent dealing with communications - how the phone contacts with the carriers. It's nothing about the operating system or the innovations of the iPhone. It's also licensed by many other companies.

This all started when Nokia wanted to charge Apple much more in royalties than they charge any other company. Apple wouldn't pay the excessive amount, which led Nokia to start the lawsuits, which Apple then escalated. I'll bet you that this settlement is for Apple to pay the same amount of royalties as everyone else (that's a small amount per phone), with a payment to make up for past royalties. The actual amount might be adjusted (or not) for Nokia using any Apple patents.

You mean other then the Court documents supplied to the federal court that are filed under under oath? What more do you need blood? The Court documents are online. Apple makes that statement repeatedly in the documents (I read all of the filed documents).

Perhaps not, but they are supposed to be nondiscriminatory. You can't require cross licensing.

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No, F/RAND deals aren't fixed and equal for everybody

Can you provide any proof of Nokia demanding access to apple patents instead of money?

Apple always recognised that they needed to pay Nokia for these licenses (they are mainly to do with mobile phone technology Nokia developed with others well before Apple got into phones). The dispute was over the terms. Nokia were demanding larger royalties from Apple than from other manufacturers, so Apple threw their own patents back at Nokia. Now they've finally agreed terms, terms we'll probably never know.

This should be the first comment after the original post to put off trolls and misconceptions.

This should be the first comment after the original post to put off trolls and misconceptions.

Threw their patents back and got nowhere. It should be the first comment for those trying to put a pro-apple spin on a situation where they had to eat it. And make no mistake, eat it they have my son. The full length.

It's pretty clever when you think about what has just occurred. Apple paid a small price to jack with the green bots.

For those not paying attention, watch who Nokia targets next.

So once every Android manufacturer is paying MS for every phone and Nokia for every phone (and quite possible Oracle for every copy of the OS) I wonder what that does to the economics?

HTC will probably be OK, they seem to be emerging as the preeminent Android handset partner. Samsung has deep pockets, although their profitability seems to be a bit variable. But Motorola? LG? Sony Ericsson? They can't turn much of a profit to save their lives, and for those guys it wouldn't take much to turn the whole Android business into a money pit. Sure, they sell a lot of phones, but apparently not at a profit. How close to the edge are they? Would a Nokia tax be the tipping point?

For the record, I actually think it would do the Android market good to have a few strong handset partners making far fewer but higher quality handsets. Less fragmentation, more focus, more coherent story. As things are going, "Android" is very soon going to lose it's magic powers of consumer interest, and sticking that little green guy on all your ads is going to start seeming tired. It's merely ubiquitous.

They spoke of the sayings and doings of their commander, the grand duke, and told stories of his kindness and irascibility.

Nokia is a so saying that licensing fees make up a fair portion of the is profits, while Apple is saying that that case isn't true for them. So if Nokia was trying to force Apple to cross license, in addition to asking for higher licensing fees, then it's no wonder they couldn't come to terms.

Good old Melgross, nice to see you are still as predictable as ever. Hope you don't hurt your neck with your backtracking...

The below taken from the original article. Apple want to license the Nokia patents on a fair and reasonable non-discrimitary basis, Nokia try to gouge a couple of percent royalty in iPhones as part of the terms:

"The complaint alleges that these patents are essential to one or more of the GSM, UMTS and 802.11 wireless communication standards, and that the Company has the right to license these patents from plaintiff on fair, reasonable, and non-descriminatory ("FRAND") terms and conditions," Apple said. "Plaintiff seeks unspecified FRAND compensation and other relief. The Company's response to the complaint is not yet due. The Company intends to defend the case vigorously."

Analyst Gene Munster with Piper Jaffray said he believes that Nokia seeks a 1 percent to 2 percent royalty on every iPhone sold, which would amount to $6 to $12 per phone. Nokia's patents are related to GSM, 3G and Wi-Fi, and cover wireless data, speech coding, security and encryption. Nokia has alleged that all iPhone models released since 2007 infringe on these patents

Not it wasn't. he was just trying to create noise (just like you are now) to hide from fact that he was wrong to start with.

yeah.. I was trying to create noise But hey, look who posted 10 posts so far debating whether my post was clear or not. Everyone, except you, knows my post was clear. So no one really care what you think my post mean.

As usual, you are always here to troll but only when Nokia's name shows up.

yeah.. I was trying to create noise But hey, look who posted 10 posts so far debating whether my post was clear or not. Everyone, except you, knows my post was clear. So no one really care what you think my post mean.

10 posts? since anyone can see the history, why don't you start telling the truth? And actually most people don't care about your post full stop.

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As usual, you are always here to troll but only when Nokia's name shows up.

You mean like you are here to "troll" about Apple?

Everyone remember the Appleinsider rules, if you disagree with Apple, you are a troll, if you disagree with anyone on this site, you are a troll.