[quote author=“Salt Creek”][quote author=“netred972”]“Imagination is more important than knowledge…” Albert Einstein

Yeah, but this presumes that you have some knowledge, too. What Albert did not say is: “Imagination is a substitute for knowledge.” Imagination without knowledge is worthless.

“Oh, Man! If you only knew how often the false fantasies of the imagination are closer to the truth than the careful conclusions of the cautious, and how these truths are of no service until the imaginer, having done his work with the imagination, becomes less imaginative.” Shah Pak (quoted in Idries Shah, Wisdom of the Idiots).

[quote author=“netred972”]1) Every thing is going to die.
2) Life is going to take control over the universe, and the last step will be an Almighty being, with the power to go back on time and be the first of the creation, to be the father and the son at the same time.

Number 1 is the only option. Unless some heretofore unknown property of matter is discovered, all the matter in the universe will eventually, in say a googol (that’s 10 to the 100th power.) years, decay. Nothing can stop that from happening, especially some spooky “Almighty being,” since such an entity does not exist.

And just for the sake of entertainment, if he did exist, why did he design the universe to self destruct? Seems sort of short sighted to me.

[quote author=“netred972”]To me is common sense, to avoid endless discussions we just need to establish our beliefs

I hope atheists can answer a simple yes or no question.——————————————————-

Not all simple questions can be answered with just a yes or no.

From what distorted frame of reference do you arrive at the conclusion that science wants to control the universe?

The mission of science is to learn how things work, to remove to mystery and superstition about workings of the universe. If man wants to use that knowledge to control the universe, which would by the way be a rather large public works project, or maybe just little parts of it, then that is his prerogative.

Science can’t control the universe. That is like saying Zoology wants to control the species!. It don’t work dude.

All science is, is a way of rationally explaining the experience that we all share using a method that is agreed upon by a large group of people. Peers.

Everything else is speculation and chasing Mythologies ‘round the block. You might as well be asking why the earth is the back of a turtle. Science cannot control the universe, but through it, we might be able to understand how it works. Much more so than we would be able to using old iron age mythologies.

You employ a scientific method, you do not control the universe, you seek to understand it. You learn that the earth rests not on a turtle, but in a little depression of space/time (it created it anyway, why not rest there).

Well, just chiming in, and I hope you find some definite articles (and maybe a gerund or two) on your search for God.

That sounds like the premise of the next Tim LaHaye-Jim Jenkins series, with the scientists described using anti-Semitic stereotypes. (Aside: I recommend the weekly dissections of “Left Behind” on the Slacktivist blog.)