Yes, these are Triassic rocks, and they are carbonates, very much unlike the Roraima rocks in question, in both composition and age.

They were also subjected to what we call high-pressure metamorphism which is not the same as high-temperature metamorphism. Their maximum temperature was probably about 360C. The Roraima rocks were probably subjected to higher temperatures since biotite is a specified component.

And I assure you that they look nothing like the pollen found in either the Hakatai shale or the Roraima rocks.

Nevertheless, if you look closely at my post, I mentioned that such remains are thought to be destroyed by high-grade metamorphism (not that they are) and this is confirmed in the abstract of your cited paper. It is clear that some fossils do survive such metamorphism which only raises another question for you.

What happened to the macrofossils of the flowering plants that produced the Precambrian pollen? Where we see the accepted occurrences of pollen fossils in more recent rocks, we also find things like leaves, branches and root systems. Where are they in the Roraima rocks?

ICANT I don't care about who thought what when. What I argue here is my own understanding of what the Flood would have done based on my own observations.; I don't care who came up with what theory.

Then why did you read from a lot of YEC sites?You already had your observations.

Is there anywhere in your observations that you can point me to how the material for all the gas, oil, and natural gas as well as the coal got buried in the earth and some under as much as 5 miles of rock.

Could you also explain to me where the material to form 3+ trillion barrels of oil came from?

while you are examining your observations you might as well throw in enough material to form the coal, and natural gas while you are at it.

It takes 98 tons of material to produce 1 gallon of gasoline and 1 barrel of crude oil will produce about 20 gallons of gas and 11 gallons of diesel and heating oil.

It would take 1,960 tons of material just to make the gas in 1 barrel of crude oil. That means to make the other 22 gallons of liquid would require more material. But I will just use the gas for brevity.

1,960 * 3,000,000,000,000 = 5,880,000,000,000,000 tons of material required to make just the gasoline. All the coal, natural gas, and ultra-low sulfur distillate fuel oil, and bunker c oil would all require at least as much if not more material.

ICANT you seem to be going on about other people's theories, not mine.

Are you stating you don't believe in a catastrophic great upheaval of earth and water that happened during the flood making all the strata we find in the earth while placing all the fossils in those strata and laying down all the coal we have?

If that is not what you preach would you lay out exactly what you do believe?

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

HEREIN somebody tried to quote Leonardi DaVinci explanations of the Flood as impossible.

How in heaven and hell can anyone HERE write about Leonardo DaVinci when he was a mathematician and evolutionists hate mathematics as they have none. Leonardi knew the design of the human body. he knew PHI and the Golden Section. He was a Grand Master of the Illuminati, and knew DESIGN..... and geometry learned in the mystery schols as mentioned)

But Leonardo was not a Christian and no expert on the Flood, It was not rain, but mainly the depths of the Earth were opened up and water came upward, and the flood afterwards descended back into the depths and receeded...

Yes, the shells on the mountain tops showed this as Leonardo stated and observed and as evolutionists theorise against, butthats why shells are on the crests ofmountains through out the world...and then the floods receeded

Being told to "Fuck you I can fucking write whatever I want" by CatsEye to me is against the rules of civil debate, ) at http://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=page&t=17167&mpp=1... ...message 145 )but this board says there are no rules concerning languageits HERE, so allow me to repost Cats eyes comments. And amazingly I got suspended and not him..

to their opposition, just because they are frustrated and losing a debate.

Ha! That's a lie.

When Cats Eye states.

Fuck you, kiss my Ass

to me, it is not civil nor respectful...

You don't deserve respect.

And are you gonna cry all day, crybaby?

Evolutionists are used to forcing their theory on students and scientists. They are not used to answering any questions on this theory, because it is their religion. And as a religion it must be accepted by faith.... It is not science and it is not logical or rational and has no facts behind it. Evolution is a con and a LIE. A big one, but because it is forced on the gullible and on students, they must accept it. This their modus operandi...and so when faced with sane biological opposition, they can only be subjective rather than objective.

HEREIN somebody tried to quote Leonardi DaVinci explanations of the Flood as impossible.How in heaven and hell can anyone HERE write about Leonardo DaVinci when he was a mathematician and evolutionists hate mathematics as they have none. Leonardi knew the design of the human body. he knew PHI and the Golden Section. He was a Grand Master of the Illuminati, and knew DESIGN..... and geometry learned in the mystery schols as mentioned)

But Leonardo was not a Christian and no expert on the Flood, It was not rain, but mainly the depths of the Earth were opened up and water came upward, and the flood afterwards descended back into the depths and receeded...

Yes, the shells on the mountain tops showed this as Leonardo stated and observed and as evolutionists theorise against, butthats why shells are on the crests ofmountains through out the world...and then the floods receeded

More harassment and no answer because evolutionists dont know about Gensis and the Flood and where the waters came from or where they went.... they are unread and ignorant.

As for DaVinci, of course evolutionists are speechless and brainless about his history, and his knowledge and his education and his mistake concerning the Flood. DaVinci was not a Christian and did not study genesis, only the shells on the tops of mountains..

Dumb evolutionists dont know answers and refuse to study or researxh. They are one liners and deniers..... dumb as the bones they manipulate for their artists conceptions.

Being told to "Fuck you I can fucking write whatever I want" by CatsEye to me I thought would be against the rules Here( at http://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=page&t=17167&mpp=1... ...message 145 ) but this board says there are no rules concerning language, so allow me to repost Cats eyes comments as there are no language rules HERE and it can be part of my signature....... and shouldnt offend anyone.

No sane person believes there wasnt a flood, Darwin admitted it from observations, Veioksky admitted it in his travels.. All true observers note this catastrophic event, even if non scientific types like evolutionists deny it

Darwin admits Catastrophic Events like 'The FLOOD'

Amazingly, Charles Darwin who invented the 'Theory of Evolution' had to admit that what he saw in his travels and studies indicated a catastrophic event that changed the face of the Earth. And even though his geological bible was Lyell's insane Theory of Uniformity or 'no cataclysmic changes ever happened. He did state the following in admitting that a worldwide flood and a dividing of the earth could have caused all the resulting fossils find that have been discovered worldwide.

But let's check it out from Darwin's own words with mine in parenthesis______ (..).

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It is impossible to reflect upon the changed state of the American continent without the deepest astonishment. Formerly it must have swarmed with great monsters, now we find mere pygmies, compared with the antecedent, allied races. (Exactly as the water layer above the Earth caused a green house effect below and moderated temperatures causing Garden of Eden conditions and an explosion of plant and animal life before the Flood. SEE Worldwide Flood and Noah's Ark)

The greater number, if not all of these extinct quadrupeds lived at a late period and were the contemporaries of most of the sea shells. Since they lived, no very great change in the form of the land can have taken place. What then exterminated so many species and genera ? (Notice that Darwin just can't explain the annihilation of so many plants and animals all at once, according to the theory of uniformity. Something cataclysmic happened in the past that created the fossil record that shows devastation â€¦. The Flood and the Dividing of the Earth SEE Earth Division in the Days of Peleg)

The mind is first irresistibly hurried into the belief of some great CATASTROPHE: but thus to destroy animals both small and large, in southern Patagonia, in Brazil, on the Cordillera of Peru, in North America up to the Bering Straits, WE MUST SHAKE THE ENTIRE FRAMEWORK OF THE GLOBE" (And that's exactly what the Lord did, although Darwin and all his evolutionary scientists afterwards have continued to fight the obvious and the rational fossil record evidence)

For Darwin goes on to say "No lesser event could have brought about this wholesale DESTRUCTION, not only in the America's but in the ENTIRE WORLD. (because the Flood of Noah was not a local flood but a worldwide FLOOD of catastrophic proportions) It could have hardly been a change of temperature, which at about the same time destroyed the inhabitants of tropical temperate and artic latitudes on both sides of the globe. (So here Darwin is ruling out the insanity of a slow onslaught of an Ice Age, but concluding it had to have occurred worldwide quickly and cataclysmically and not over eons of time as evolutionists are so prone to suggest)

No one will imagine that a drought â€¦could destroy every individual of every species from Southern Patagonia to the Bering Straits. (How in the world is Darwin and the evolutionists in the future ever going to explain the fossil record and this massive destruction unless they just overlook it. They won't be able to tell them it was a drought, a temperature change. What will Darwin think up to explain such irrefutable evidence that he has seen first hand in his journey's?)

What shall we say of the extinction of the horse ? Did those plains fail of pasture ?(Darwin concluded ---) Certainly, no FACT in the long history of the world is so startling as the wide and repeated extermination of its inhabitants" (which Christians rightly call God's Judgments)

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So let's stop this insanity that no cataclysmic events have ever occurred here on Earth, and pretend that 'all things continue' as they always have from the beginning of some nice sweet Big Bang explosion that just happened by accident to create everything in perfect harmony. The Uniformity theory is just as 'bogus' and unscientific as the theory of evolution which is built upon it's back, and Darwin admitted cataclysmic change, and true scientists know it happened, and yet the devoid evolutionists try to evade this fact and forget it, and become willingly ignorant of True Science and the fossil record and our TRUE HISTORY.

And this isn't 'In My Opinion' but according to the RECORD

David Jay Jordan

Quotes directly from Charles Darwin's,Journal of Researches into the NaturalHistory and geology of countries Visitedduring the Voyage of H.M.S. Beagle Roundthe World under the date of January 9, 1834.

NO hyperlinks to your articles Jar, never thought about the Flood before or researched it, now back to DaVinci that evolutionists never studied as they dont know history or the personages involved much less Jesus who testified there was a flood and NOah..

Being told to "Fuck you I can fucking write whatever I want" by CatsEye to me I thought would be against the rules Here( at http://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=page&t=17167&mpp=1... ...message 145 ) but this board says there are no rules concerning languageHERE, so allow me to repost Cats eyes comments as logically therefore his words can not offend anyone....and can be part of my signature..... because it is not against the rules

Eolutionists have no arrows in their quills, and no connected neurons in their brains and no experiences in thier histories, and dont ask the God of wisdom for WISDOM and KNOWLEDGE.... and so can only post one line denials.

Being told to "Fuck you I can fucking write whatever I want" by CatsEye to me I thought would be against the rules Here( at http://www.evcforum.net/dm.php?control=page&t=17167&mpp=1... ...message 145 ) but this board says there are no rules concerning languageHERE, so allow me to repost Cats eyes comments as logically therefore his words can not offend anyone....and can be part of my signature..... because it is not against the rules

Eolutionists have no arrows in their quills, and no connected neurons in their brains and no experiences in thier histories, and dont ask the God of wisdom for WISDOM and KNOWLEDGE.... and so can only post one line denials.

And you have still not addressed the evidence I posted to you over a month ago from my own archaeological research, even though I've prodded you a dozen times or more.

The reason: you have no answers to that evidence. Only bluster, bombast, bragging and bullshit.

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