mjohnson71:RoyFokker'sGhost: But, as my buddy pointed out, neither the NY Jets nor the NY Giant's actually play in the state of New York.Also, the Dallas Cowboys no longer play in the city limits of Dallas. So, much of my rage is subsided, vbut it's still a crappy deal.

I hope the 49ers proposal included a massive bus effort to bring everyone down from San Francisco.

No, the 49ers proposal was 'fark the poor fans'. The PSL's are outrageously high. like $19,000 for nosebleed seats, IIRC. The average fan isn't going to be able to afford that. The Santa Clara stadium was built with the Silicon Valley fans in mind and is priced to keep the old-school working class fans out. What this means is that the Yorks are going to have the same problem as before, with all the rich bandwagon fans leaving whenever the Niners don't win a championship every season, only that lowering the price to keep the stadium filled means that the city of Santa Clara is gonna get stuck with the stadium construction bill instead of recouping the cost though ticket sales. One bad season and the whole ROI plan the city and the Yorks created is going to collapse.

I hope the 49ers proposal included a massive bus effort to bring everyone down from San Francisco.[...]From Google Maps, it looks like there's a Caltrain stop right there, so between that and the freeway ramps they'll probably be alright.

Not exactly, There is an Amtrak/A.C.E. stop a block east of the stadium, and VTA trolley that stops just to the west. The light rail has transfer stops at Mountain View and Downtown San Jose CalTrain stations. The stadium site is boxed by freeways on the north and south and expressways east and west each less than a mile away. There is surface parking at the adjacent California's Great America amusement park which is closed during most of football season.

I live about a mile and a half from the stadium. I commute by light rail occasionally.

I'm planning to work from home any time there's a weeknight home game. I'm expecting a complete and total clusterfark.

I'm also planning to be completely out of town for the week leading up to SBL.

/ I got to vote against the stadium when I lived six miles away at the far end of Santa Clara.// Now I live close enough to see the fireworks, but couldn't vote on it because I'm in Sunnyvale.

Of the 47 Superbowls played, 10 have been in New Orleans, 10 have been in the Miami area, and 7 have been in the greater LA area. I think those three cities have had it enough times. Let some of the other teams host it.

RoyFokker'sGhost:Scrotastic Method: Just here to make sure everyone knows San Francisco did not get the Super Bowl...the South Bay did. And, I see we're covered.

grinding_journalist: So are they going to continue the California sports team theme by becoming "The San Francisco 49ers of Santa Clara"?

My vote -- as a SF resident that until next year has a streak of at least 5 games at Candlestick every year -- is for the Santa Clara 49ers of San Jose.

SF and Santa Clara are about as far away as DC to Baltimore, and they're equally different worlds. There's no sensible reason why a team in Santa Clara gets to keep the SF name.

Honestly, I'm still pissed about the move. Moreso because the Yorks deliberately sabotaged Newsome's attempt to get them a new stadium via an Olympics in San Francisco. But, as my buddy pointed out, neither the NY Jets nor the NY Giant's actually play in the state of New York.Also, the Dallas Cowboys no longer play in the city limits of Dallas. So, much of my rage is subsided, vbut it's still a crappy deal.

rickythepenguin: Scrotastic Method: as a SF resident that until next year has a streak of at least 5 games at Candlestick every year -- is for the Santa Clara 49ers of San Jose.

What's happeneing to the 'Stick?

Nothing. It's being abandoned completely. Just going to stay there gathering grafitti. Which pisses me off more.

Sin_City_Superhero:Of the 47 Superbowls played, 10 have been in New Orleans, 10 have been in the Miami area, and 7 have been in the greater LA area. I think those three cities have had it enough times. Let some of the other teams host it.

Or, y'know, keep 'em in those areas since those areas have the infrastructure to support it and are enjoyable places to have a February game.

SevenizGud:It will still suck because it will still be a pro football game.

Thank you for your riviting and enlightening post. This thread is infinitly better for having your post in it. Again, on behalf of the Fark Sports Tab, please accept my sincere appreciation, and admiration.

as a Packers owner living in San Francisco, I want to thank you guys for that awesome L joke.

Santa Clara is soooo not San Francisco......

I hope that the Packers are in that Super bowl 50.That would be soooo sweeeeet.

/hate the whiners.//hate their stuck up bandwagony fans.///the day the whiners lost the super bowl was almost as good as the Packers winning.I was on the bart going home from work ten minutes after the game ended.It was awesome. The whole train smelled like weed and sadness.

IAmRight:Sin_City_Superhero: Of the 47 Superbowls played, 10 have been in New Orleans, 10 have been in the Miami area, and 7 have been in the greater LA area. I think those three cities have had it enough times. Let some of the other teams host it.

Or, y'know, keep 'em in those areas since those areas have the infrastructure to support it and are enjoyable places to have a February game.

If your reasoning is the climate, there are other cities capable of hosting a Superbowl. Atlanta has hosted 2. Houston can handle it. Carolina, Tampa, Kansas City, Detroit, Indy, etc.

But if you're going to let New York have one, why can't Chicago? Green Bay probably doesn't have the infrastructure to handle a Superbowl, but what about Seatle? Or Minesota? Or Cleveland?

I hope the 49ers proposal included a massive bus effort to bring everyone down from San Francisco.[...]From Google Maps, it looks like there's a Caltrain stop right there, so between that and the freeway ramps they'll probably be alright.

Not exactly, There is an Amtrak/A.C.E. stop a block east of the stadium, and VTA trolley that stops just to the west. The light rail has transfer stops at Mountain View and Downtown San Jose CalTrain stations. The stadium site is boxed by freeways on the north and south and expressways east and west each less than a mile away. There is surface parking at the adjacent California's Great America amusement park which is closed during most of football season.

I live about a mile and a half from the stadium. I commute by light rail occasionally.

I'm planning to work from home any time there's a weeknight home game. I'm expecting a complete and total clusterfark.

I'm also planning to be completely out of town for the week leading up to SBL.

/ I got to vote against the stadium when I lived six miles away at the far end of Santa Clara.// Now I live close enough to see the fireworks, but couldn't vote on it because I'm in Sunnyvale.

mjohnson71:RoyFokker'sGhost: But, as my buddy pointed out, neither the NY Jets nor the NY Giant's actually play in the state of New York.Also, the Dallas Cowboys no longer play in the city limits of Dallas. So, much of my rage is subsided, vbut it's still a crappy deal.

eaglepuss:mjohnson71: RoyFokker'sGhost: But, as my buddy pointed out, neither the NY Jets nor the NY Giant's actually play in the state of New York.Also, the Dallas Cowboys no longer play in the city limits of Dallas. So, much of my rage is subsided, vbut it's still a crappy deal.

I hope the 49ers proposal included a massive bus effort to bring everyone down from San Francisco.

I never really got the impression that most of the fans who went to Niner games were SF citizens. A lot of suburbanites turn out for those games.

I bet the East Bay BART system will be extended to the stadium, it already goes as far down as Fremont.

Not to mention that the CalTrans trains on the peninsula probably have something similar in the works as well. The CalTrans San Francisco station is only a few blocks from AT&T Park so it would be a pretty wise business decision to also connect to the Levi's Stadium on the other end of their line.

Meanwhile, Houston got Super Bowl LI. If they're gonna pick an AFC South city to host, why not Jacksonville? Granted they made mistakes last time, but I'm sure they've built more hotels since then! I'd pick Nashville over Houston as well.

I hope the 49ers proposal included a massive bus effort to bring everyone down from San Francisco.[...]From Google Maps, it looks like there's a Caltrain stop right there, so between that and the freeway ramps they'll probably be alright.

Not exactly, There is an Amtrak/A.C.E. stop a block east of the stadium, and VTA trolley that stops just to the west. The light rail has transfer stops at Mountain View and Downtown San Jose CalTrain stations. The stadium site is boxed by freeways on the north and south and expressways east and west each less than a mile away. There is surface parking at the adjacent California's Great America amusement park which is closed during most of football season.

If you look at maps, yes, the location is absolutely superb. However, reality is much different than what the maps show.

First, the VTA light rail sucks. It has extremely frequent stops and has to obey traffic signals (with minimal prioritization, which will be a huge problem crossing Great America on game days), so it's almost faster to walk than to take that poor excuse of public transportation. Also, it's not on the same ticket system as the Caltrain, so you get to pay extra for the privilege of moving crazy slow.

The freeways also aren't great. 101 will be the main artery feeding this stadium. You can get to the stadium using 237, which does branch off of 101, but that'll also be full of traffic from people coming from Oakland. Both of freeways will also feed onto Great America Pkwy, which can barely handle traffic from the normal workday. Neither of the exit ramps are really going to be great for getting people to the stadium. Rush hour for all exits around Great America is murder as is- it'll be much, MUCH worse on game day.

Maybe they'll figure something out with directing traffic, but I foresee everything being a goddamn headache on the first game day. I moved recently specifically because I want to be nowhere near that thing when it's in use.

darklingscribe:I bet the East Bay BART system will be extended to the stadium, it already goes as far down as Fremont.

Not to mention that the CalTrans trains on the peninsula probably have something similar in the works as well. The CalTrans San Francisco station is only a few blocks from AT&T Park so it would be a pretty wise business decision to also connect to the Levi's Stadium on the other end of their line.

Assuming they even want to undertake those projects, do you have any idea how long it will take those two organizations to propose, environmentally certify, approve, fund, and construct that stuff? It won't happen. Rapid transit to that stadium won't exist in that stadium's lifetime.

Scrotastic Method:Robo Beat: From Google Maps, it looks like there's a Caltrain stop right there, so between that and the freeway ramps they'll probably be alright.

That's not Caltrain, that's Santa Clara Light Rail. To get to the stadium from SF via public transit, you have to somehow get to the Caltrain depot at 4th and King (one or more likely two buses for most residents), then you have to take an hour-and-fifteen minute (if you're lucky and catch a Limited) train ride, then you have to take the 902 light rail for 15-20 minutes. On a good day, with everything working perfectly, you can be at the Great America light rail station walking to the game about 2 and a half hours from when you left your place in SF.

Gameday Sundays? Those will not be days where everything works perfectly.

Also, if anyone wonders WHY there are so many car drivers around here despite the area being moderately car-hostile and the city being incredibly car-hostile, this is why.

101 with traffic (or hell, 280-> 85 -> 237, which might be faster) is about 45 minutes in good traffic and an hour and a half to 2 hours in bad traffic.Mass transit starts at 2.5 hours with multiple transfers and goes up.

/6 mile commute is 30 minutes by car and 35 minutes if I catch the train perfectly.//If I don't catch the train perfectly, that goes up by about a half hour.

meyerkev:Scrotastic Method: Robo Beat: From Google Maps, it looks like there's a Caltrain stop right there, so between that and the freeway ramps they'll probably be alright.

That's not Caltrain, that's Santa Clara Light Rail. To get to the stadium from SF via public transit, you have to somehow get to the Caltrain depot at 4th and King (one or more likely two buses for most residents), then you have to take an hour-and-fifteen minute (if you're lucky and catch a Limited) train ride, then you have to take the 902 light rail for 15-20 minutes. On a good day, with everything working perfectly, you can be at the Great America light rail station walking to the game about 2 and a half hours from when you left your place in SF.

Gameday Sundays? Those will not be days where everything works perfectly.

Also, if anyone wonders WHY there are so many car drivers around here despite the area being moderately car-hostile and the city being incredibly car-hostile, this is why.

101 with traffic (or hell, 280-> 85 -> 237, which might be faster) is about 45 minutes in good traffic and an hour and a half to 2 hours in bad traffic.Mass transit starts at 2.5 hours with multiple transfers and goes up.

/6 mile commute is 30 minutes by car and 35 minutes if I catch the train perfectly.//If I don't catch the train perfectly, that goes up by about a half hour.

I have been commuting from the South Bay for 3 months (looking at places I would consider buying a house while still working in the city) I have been going 85->280->380->101->280 extension-> 6th street. And in reverse order on the way home... Still faster than going 85->101->6th street.I have a place off 19th in SF, and when I commute from 19th to 6th, it takes me ~30 min, from South Bay to 6th, it takes me 1:10 minutes. Only 40 minutes extra to travel 25x miles....

Scrotastic Method:darklingscribe: I bet the East Bay BART system will be extended to the stadium, it already goes as far down as Fremont.

Not to mention that the CalTrans trains on the peninsula probably have something similar in the works as well. The CalTrans San Francisco station is only a few blocks from AT&T Park so it would be a pretty wise business decision to also connect to the Levi's Stadium on the other end of their line.

Assuming they even want to undertake those projects, do you have any idea how long it will take those two organizations to propose, environmentally certify, approve, fund, and construct that stuff? It won't happen. Rapid transit to that stadium won't exist in that stadium's lifetime.

There's been talk of running Caltrain on the ACE lines for Sunday games, so that may be a viable option. (There's an ACE stop right by the stadium.)

As for BART - they're planning an extension that just goes down to connect to VTA light rail at the Great Mall in Milpitas. (See above for VTA's issues.) Planned to open in 2018. That project has been in progress since 2000, to give an idea for how quickly large-scale transit projects get done here; they finally broke ground last year.

That's pretty much as good as it's going to get. BART will never get closer than that - the current plans from Milpitas are to run it down through San Jose and then back up to the Santa Clara Caltrain station, and that's assuming they can somehow find a few spare billion dollars in the couch cushions. VTA light rail and buses, plus ACE and possibly Caltrain on ACE tracks, are it.

Scrotastic Method:darklingscribe: I bet the East Bay BART system will be extended to the stadium, it already goes as far down as Fremont.

Not to mention that the CalTrans trains on the peninsula probably have something similar in the works as well. The CalTrans San Francisco station is only a few blocks from AT&T Park so it would be a pretty wise business decision to also connect to the Levi's Stadium on the other end of their line.

Assuming they even want to undertake those projects, do you have any idea how long it will take those two organizations to propose, environmentally certify, approve, fund, and construct that stuff? It won't happen. Rapid transit to that stadium won't exist in that stadium's lifetime.

Well, they're already planning a massive BART expansion to wrap around the South Bay and go through downtown San Jose (because 880 is farked, and there will be no 280 miracle to fix it) and to the Santa Clara Caltrain*. However, that expansion goes nowhere near the stadium. They "might" add a spur, but I doubt it.

*And it still doesn't fix the problem which is that Silicon Valley is an 20 mile long amorphous blob to which it's more or less impossible to run good last-mile mass transit. And the bit where Caltrain only stops at certain stops once an hour doesn't exactly help.

beefstu01:First, the VTA light rail sucks. It has extremely frequent stops and has to obey traffic signals (with minimal prioritization, which will be a huge problem crossing Great America on game days), so it's almost faster to walk than to take that poor excuse of public transportation. Also, it's not on the same ticket system as the Caltrain, so you get to pay extra for the privilege of moving crazy slow.

While you can't buy a one-day ticket for both Cal Train and VTA from the same machine, they are both on the Clipper card system, along with other Bay Area transit agencies. Yes, it'll be a pain for people who get around SF on foot and only leave the city for the football games, but it'll be just like another day on the bus for anyone who buys their month of rides in advance.

Scrotastic Method:darklingscribe: I bet the East Bay BART system will be extended to the stadium, it already goes as far down as Fremont.

Not to mention that the CalTrans trains on the peninsula probably have something similar in the works as well. The CalTrans San Francisco station is only a few blocks from AT&T Park so it would be a pretty wise business decision to also connect to the Levi's Stadium on the other end of their line.[...]

Electrification of the CalTrain line is part of the California HSR project which will allow it to run quieter, more frequent trains. Construction has finally begun on extending BART to the downtown San Jose station, but that's still some years until it's ready.

I take VTA every day and it blows ass. 30 minutes to go 10 miles.I also concur that this is a terrible place for the stadium. Caltrain isn't going to cut it. And BART... Lol yeah wake me up when they run it down the peninsula and call me rip van winkle.

Sin_City_Superhero:Of the 47 Superbowls played, 10 have been in New Orleans, 10 have been in the Miami area, and 7 have been in the greater LA area. I think those three cities have had it enough times. Let some of the other teams host it.

One of the reasons New Orleans has had it so many times is that the Dome is smack dab in the middle of downtown, in walking/stumbling distance from a ton of nice hotels that have the room availability to support such a major event. Then there's also approximately 14 gajillion restaurants, bars and other entertainment also in walking distance. And I mean like a few blocks down the street, not two miles. Fans seem to have a better party time here than, say, Jacksonville because hell, that's what this city does best. Also, the NOPD (for all its other problems) is one of the premiere crowd control departments in the country. We do it so many times per year with various festivals and of course Mardis Gras that all that practice has made them virtually perfect in that regard.

NOLA is actually quite small, but when it comes to hosting huge events few can do better. That the NFL has chosen to it so many times is testament to that.

dickfreckle:Sin_City_Superhero: Of the 47 Superbowls played, 10 have been in New Orleans, 10 have been in the Miami area, and 7 have been in the greater LA area. I think those three cities have had it enough times. Let some of the other teams host it.

One of the reasons New Orleans has had it so many times is that the Dome is smack dab in the middle of downtown, in walking/stumbling distance from a ton of nice hotels that have the room availability to support such a major event. Then there's also approximately 14 gajillion restaurants, bars and other entertainment also in walking distance. And I mean like a few blocks down the street, not two miles. Fans seem to have a better party time here than, say, Jacksonville because hell, that's what this city does best. Also, the NOPD (for all its other problems) is one of the premiere crowd control departments in the country. We do it so many times per year with various festivals and of course Mardis Gras that all that practice has made them virtually perfect in that regard.

NOLA is actually quite small, but when it comes to hosting huge events few can do better. That the NFL has chosen to it so many times is testament to that.

I'm not disputing any of what you said. I'm just saying that it kinda sucks that in order to get a Superbowl you either have to be one of those three areas, or you have to build a billion-dollar stadium. And remember...the billion-dollar option only works once, when the stadium is new.

Scrotastic Method:darklingscribe: I bet the East Bay BART system will be extended to the stadium, it already goes as far down as Fremont.

Not to mention that the CalTrans trains on the peninsula probably have something similar in the works as well. The CalTrans San Francisco station is only a few blocks from AT&T Park so it would be a pretty wise business decision to also connect to the Levi's Stadium on the other end of their line.

Assuming they even want to undertake those projects, do you have any idea how long it will take those two organizations to propose, environmentally certify, approve, fund, and construct that stuff? It won't happen. Rapid transit to that stadium won't exist in that stadium's lifetime.

sh*t, it took 30 years for the North Bay transit to even get approved and started. I'm not holding my breath that everything will line up in Santa Clara.