Would the Connecticut elementary school toll have been smaller if... - Think Atheist2017-10-16T22:24:03Zhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/would-the-connecticut-elementary-school-toll-had-been-smaller-if?commentId=1982180%3AComment%3A1236157&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noOh that makes sense. Just do…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-03-02:1982180:Comment:12670052013-03-02T21:40:44.065ZSteveInCOhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/SteveInCO
<p>Oh that makes sense. Just do something, anything, without perhaps considering if it will have any effect at all. Pass a "feel good" law against the symptom, maybe that will work. Let's ignore the fact that you are punishing millions of law-abiding Americans for the crimes of a very few.</p>
<p>It won't work.</p>
<p>Eradicating gun free zones (which is where all these double digit massacres happen) might.</p>
<p>Oh that makes sense. Just do something, anything, without perhaps considering if it will have any effect at all. Pass a "feel good" law against the symptom, maybe that will work. Let's ignore the fact that you are punishing millions of law-abiding Americans for the crimes of a very few.</p>
<p>It won't work.</p>
<p>Eradicating gun free zones (which is where all these double digit massacres happen) might.</p> Irrelevant. They already hav…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-03-02:1982180:Comment:12667692013-03-02T20:46:55.084ZSteveInCOhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/SteveInCO
<p>Irrelevant. They already have them. They'll simply keep the ones they already have.</p>
<p>Irrelevant. They already have them. They'll simply keep the ones they already have.</p> Armed security guards are pro…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-03-02:1982180:Comment:12667572013-03-02T20:20:15.832ZAmy L. Cookhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/AmyLCook
<p>Armed security guards are probably a huge plus, but I have doubts about the schools being able to afford them. If schools had one entry point that was accessible during operating hours with armed guards and/or metal detectors, it would be a great help. When I wnt to high school there was at least 12 entry points that were unlocked during the school day; each classroom in my old elemetary school had an unlocked door right to the outside schoolyard. I think this is a mistake; anyone could have…</p>
<p>Armed security guards are probably a huge plus, but I have doubts about the schools being able to afford them. If schools had one entry point that was accessible during operating hours with armed guards and/or metal detectors, it would be a great help. When I wnt to high school there was at least 12 entry points that were unlocked during the school day; each classroom in my old elemetary school had an unlocked door right to the outside schoolyard. I think this is a mistake; anyone could have sneaked in the building undetected, as some of the doors entered into empty, unused (and unattended) hallways. Doors can be made to open from the inside but not the outside for fire safety reasons, so why have all your doors unlocked all the time when it's such a huge security risk? I don't know the details of the Connecticut school's door situation, but I think that one entry popint with a security guard would be an asset to schools, especially those in higher risk areas.</p>
<p>I also had an idea (surely I am not the first one to think of this) that maybe we should begin mandatory mental health screening of school age children. I mean, we screen them for vision and hearing impairment, scoliosis, lice, ect... why not mental disorders? True, it would have to be more confidential than your standard vison screening, but if we screened once in elementry, once in middle and once in high school, maybe we would catch some of these would-be sociopaths/psychotics before they enter adulthood and our society and get them the help they need before they lose their cool on some unsuspecting public service building. I know that this would not screen out everyone, but I have to believe that it would at least make a dent in the number of people who go on shooting massacres.</p> "I personally would hate to t…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-03-02:1982180:Comment:12667552013-03-02T20:18:44.422ZMikeLonghttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/MikeLong
<p>"<span>I personally would hate to think my children went to school and saw armed guards as normal"</span></p>
<p><span>Yes, my "normal" has certainly shifted. I grew up in Chicago. ("Stop or I'll &lt;bang&gt; shoot".) Nowadays, </span><span style="font-size: 13px;">when I go overseas,</span><span style="font-size: 13px;"> I do a minor mind-flip even to see <span style="text-decoration: underline;">cops</span> carrying guns. My kids grew up with cops being unarmed. Still the case.…</span></p>
<p>"<span>I personally would hate to think my children went to school and saw armed guards as normal"</span></p>
<p><span>Yes, my "normal" has certainly shifted. I grew up in Chicago. ("Stop or I'll &lt;bang&gt; shoot".) Nowadays, </span><span style="font-size: 13px;">when I go overseas,</span><span style="font-size: 13px;"> I do a minor mind-flip even to see <span style="text-decoration: underline;">cops</span> carrying guns. My kids grew up with cops being unarmed. Still the case.</span><span style="font-size: 13px;"> </span><span style="font-size: 13px;">Australian cops all carry sidearms, don't they?</span></p> "so we just make all guns ill…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-03-02:1982180:Comment:12668702013-03-02T19:50:14.260ZMikeLonghttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/MikeLong
<p>"<span>so we just make all guns illegal"</span></p>
<p>Absolutely true. Guns have no legitimate function in society worth even one life - except as protection from other guns, which is, of course, circular. The idea that they deter tyranny is simply laughable. The laws just recently re-affirmed by congress place the US well down the road toward tyranny already. So who are you going to shoot. </p>
<p>Unfortunately the idea of doing away with all guns has one minor drawback - it's impossible.…</p>
<p>"<span>so we just make all guns illegal"</span></p>
<p>Absolutely true. Guns have no legitimate function in society worth even one life - except as protection from other guns, which is, of course, circular. The idea that they deter tyranny is simply laughable. The laws just recently re-affirmed by congress place the US well down the road toward tyranny already. So who are you going to shoot. </p>
<p>Unfortunately the idea of doing away with all guns has one minor drawback - it's impossible. Nor can I see "peripheral" laws (gun type, magazine size) having any practical purpose.</p> Magic law!tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-03-02:1982180:Comment:12668642013-03-02T19:31:27.389ZAutumn Moraleshttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/AutumnMorales
Magic law!
Magic law! Good catch on the Class 2, it…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-03-02:1982180:Comment:12668602013-03-02T19:18:30.615ZSteveInCOhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/SteveInCO
<p>Good catch on the Class 2, it went past me.</p>
<p>Blaine doesn't NEED to educate himself, he just relies on the mantra that if you get rid of all guns (somehow) by a magic law, everything will be fine.</p>
<p>Oh and he claimed a couple of days ago he was neither pro nor anti gun. Just too ridiculous a joke to really be funny.</p>
<p>Good catch on the Class 2, it went past me.</p>
<p>Blaine doesn't NEED to educate himself, he just relies on the mantra that if you get rid of all guns (somehow) by a magic law, everything will be fine.</p>
<p>Oh and he claimed a couple of days ago he was neither pro nor anti gun. Just too ridiculous a joke to really be funny.</p> Here we go again. I shall hel…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-03-02:1982180:Comment:12667462013-03-02T19:05:35.804ZTimothy A. Millerhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/TimothyAMiller
<p>Here we go again. I shall help you with this, as apparently you have STILL neglected to educate yourself. Class one firearms are long rifles, class two firearms are pistols, and class three firearms are automatic and semi-automatic weapons. None of which are illegal to own except for a few exceptions such as NY city. MAYBE you were thinking class three firearms as being illegal because you must have a special permit in order to own them, but again, you would be wrong. And what reason do you…</p>
<p>Here we go again. I shall help you with this, as apparently you have STILL neglected to educate yourself. Class one firearms are long rifles, class two firearms are pistols, and class three firearms are automatic and semi-automatic weapons. None of which are illegal to own except for a few exceptions such as NY city. MAYBE you were thinking class three firearms as being illegal because you must have a special permit in order to own them, but again, you would be wrong. And what reason do you base your interest in making all firearms illegal? Is it the deaths that result from them? In that case there are other places we should look first. Such as automobiles. They have been involved in more deaths outside of war zones than all firearms combined... Or maybe we should just make incompetent people illegal, and solve the whole problem no matter the medium involved in the deaths.....</p> And criminals--the people who…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-03-02:1982180:Comment:12666842013-03-02T18:52:02.785ZSteveInCOhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/SteveInCO
<p>And criminals--the people who really shouldn't have them--will obey these laws banning guns... when? They're <em>criminals</em>. THEY DON'T OBEY LAWS.</p>
<p>The police will still have them, and so will the military. And there are cases of both sorts going rogue.</p>
<p>All you accomplish with your law is to disarm the people who don't need to be disarmed. Actually that's not strong enough. They positively <em>should not</em> be disarmed as they are the first line of defense against law…</p>
<p>And criminals--the people who really shouldn't have them--will obey these laws banning guns... when? They're <em>criminals</em>. THEY DON'T OBEY LAWS.</p>
<p>The police will still have them, and so will the military. And there are cases of both sorts going rogue.</p>
<p>All you accomplish with your law is to disarm the people who don't need to be disarmed. Actually that's not strong enough. They positively <em>should not</em> be disarmed as they are the first line of defense against law breakers.</p>
<p></p> True that. The "shotguns bein…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2013-03-02:1982180:Comment:12669222013-03-02T18:07:26.542ZSagacious Hawkhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/SagaciousHawk
<p>True that. The "shotguns being shotguns" part was in reference to having a spread so it should come as no surprise that 3 people were hit. Should have been more specific.</p>
<p>True that. The "shotguns being shotguns" part was in reference to having a spread so it should come as no surprise that 3 people were hit. Should have been more specific.</p>