Its has been widely assumed this morning by some immigration advocates (and by yours truly, too) that the new immigration reform plans process of citizenship for the countrys 11 million undocumented immigrants is contingent on a commission of Southwestern officials declaring the border secure.

Not true. Ive now got clarification from Senate staff working on the bill, and it turns out that the enforcement commissions judgments will only be advisory, and are entirely nonbinding. Congress actions will not be dictated by what this commission concludes; neither will actions taken by the Department of Homeland Security. The citizenship process will be triggered by other means

[...... ]

But the commission isnt, for all practical purposes, really a major concession at all. If you look at the framework released by the bipartisan group of eight Senators today, it never quite says directly that the citizenship process cant move forward until the commission reaches its findings. Rather, it says the plan creates a commission that will make a recommendation on when border security has been achieved, and doesnt specify that this recommendation is what triggers the citizenship process.

The Dems (Socialists) pulled the same crap on Reagan.. Reagan granted amnesty in exchange for the Dems promising full border fence that NEVER happened. WHY is the GOP helping the Dems to grow their voter base? What a crock of chit!

Why don’t they just call this the “Turn Texas into a Blue State” Act? That’s what it basically is. Twenty-five million new Democrat voters. A recipe cooked up by the ruling-class Dem/GOP-E to permanently enshrine them in power. Dilute and disenfranchise any tea-party leaning Constitutionalists that could gum up their plans.

It’s a final bullet-in-the-head for America. I particularly hope these eight traitors burn in hell for all eternity. Especially that bastard Rubio.

It sounds to me like McCain just said on FNC that we need Mexican Nationals to mow our lawns, cook our meals and watch our children. Isn’t that racist? All the the biggest buffoons in the Senate are up there on the stage. One way to stop this bill is to have an amendment added to the bill saying any illegal caught voting will be immediately deported with no opportunity to come back. Ever!

I am no fan of Rubio but why single him out? He has always been in favor of immigration reform. We all know that was code for making the illegals citizens.
I for one never understood the fascination with him. Including him is supposed to make it more palatable to the base.

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posted on 01/28/2013 12:01:39 PM PST
by wiggen
(The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)

I don’t care what the hell kind of deal these few Senators have come to. My demand to my Senators and Congressman is NO DEAL, PERIOD.

I don’t care if Rubio, Ryan -who the hell ever signs on because ‘we have to get the Hispanic base blah blah blah, puke!’

I’ll have none of it. These uneducated, criminal invaders have no business being here, we don’t need them, they harm us immeasurably....Democrats want them because they want their certain votes. Misguided appeasing Republicans (Rubio included) want them because they think legal Hispanics will ‘like’ us then. Bullshit! We have enough ‘legal’ immigration already. We don’t need 50 million more illegals to suddenly turn up to “get in line” with some token slap on the wrist.

We either a nation of laws and assimilated citizens or not. And, if you’re a Hispanic out there that is intrinsically hispanic-biased and thinks “let’s give them a chance because we share a culture together”, then you have another think coming.

These criminals, these uneducated, ignorant peasants who’ll go to the first public aid office they can find when they’re ‘legal’ will BREAK you, break your wallet, kill your family in a drunk driving accident, rape your wife/daughter when drunk, steal the food out of your childrens’ mouths, and spread some heretofore extinct disease to them through their children in your mostly hispanic kindergarten/Pre-K where the government pays for the babysitting.

Remember when we started to build a fence, then Kay Bailey Hutchison quietly pulled the funding. No republican senator is to be trusted.

Rubio is to be on Rush tomorrow. He’s being groomed to be the 2016 nominee a la McCain. His conservatism will be watered down to placate the moderate to liberal establishment and any potential rival (Paul) will be openly demonized.

Oh, I’ve long been wary of Rubio. Happy when he beat out the loathesome Crist for the nomination, and had some initial hopes for him. But after winning, there were lots of subtle, tell-tale signs in the way he immediately began distancing himself from the tea-party and cozied up to the establishment hacks. Not to mention his stumbling, cowardly reaction when asked about Brewer’s AZ law.

Rubio believes in 99% of this bill. He might come out on this just to keep his 2016 aspirations alive somehow but the devil is in the details and he might back down in the end because he wants amnesty and he doesn’t want thi chance to blowup on one particular item

This is ground hog day. McAmnesty lost the election because of this junk. Lindsey Gramnesty is doing it again. NO AMNESTY!!! ZIP AZERO NUNCA. Get these illegals out the same way they came in— ARREST THE EMPLOYERS!!! No jobs — they leave!! We have 14% real unemployment and we are going to take 20 million more welfare recipients that can’t read or even speak English? No BUENO!!

The framework calls for an increase in the number of unmanned aerial vehicles, surveillance equipment, agents, and other measures designed to increase border security. The legislation will lay out specific targets as to how much border security needs to be increased by DHS...This drek printed a day after reading that the aerostat (blimp) sensors are immediately being removed from the border and their sites dismantled.

My guess is that five years from now (under Obama III) they'll restore a couple of them and announce that the border has been sufficiently reinforced.

I believe a couple of agents are SUING the gov’t because 0bama’s ‘memo’ or order for them not to detain illegals is ILLEGAL. So far, the courts have ruled that the BP agents may proceed with their lawsuit..

I agree. Its much worse than just mccain and rubio. Are there any pubs fighting this crock? Gun control, illegal immigration and higher taxes in just a few months? I guess they want to rush this stuff through so they can then move on and consume even more of the Constitution. They are like locusts!

Eleven million is just the start. Thanks to extended family chain migration, those millions will sponsor and import many millions more. It’s insanity for the GOP, plain and simple

If the GOP is determined to surrender to the idea that illegals must be given a path to citizenship, then why not at least try and fight to get some conservative immigration reform included as part of the deal?

Why not try to abolish the absurd Diversity Lottery Visas? This stands with David Souter as Bush I’s biggest mistake, but he probably doesn’t see it that way since the Bushies are all worthless on immigration. In addition to directly adding 50,000 legal immigrants per year, this absurd program sets off new channels for chain migration from the Middle East, Africa, and Asia. Which is another way of saying that it sets off new chanels of future Democrat immigration.

Why not restrict Refugee settlements and/or at least make settlements get the approval of elected representatives that represent the areas the refugees are to be deposited on. That way you’d have no hypocrites like former Senator Brownback of Kansas who was all gung ho about refugees...so long as they weren’t settled in Kansas that is.

Why not acknoledge the ever growing collision between immigration policy and affirmative action, and try to end racial preferences in all federal programs?

In 1986 Senator Kennedy said, This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this. If Senator Kennedy lied to us then, how can we trust him now? . Attrition through enforcement is the only fair and feasible way to deal with the 12 to 20 million illegal aliens currently in the United States. This proposal guarantees only that the problem of illegal immigration will only grow exponentially as it did after the 1986 amnesty.

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posted on 01/28/2013 2:27:39 PM PST
by Wisconsinlady
(The 2nd amendment is NOT about hunting-but protection from a tyrannical govt)

In 1986 Senator Kennedy said, This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this. If Senator Kennedy lied to us then, how can we trust him now? . Attrition through enforcement is the only fair and feasible way to deal with the 12 to 20 million illegal aliens currently in the United States. This proposal guarantees only that the problem of illegal immigration will only grow exponentially as it did after the 1986 amnesty.

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posted on 01/28/2013 2:27:39 PM PST
by Wisconsinlady
(The 2nd amendment is NOT about hunting-but protection from a tyrannical govt)

In 1986 Senator Kennedy said, This amnesty will give citizenship to only 1.1 to 1.3 million illegal aliens. We will secure the borders henceforth. We will never again bring forward another amnesty bill like this. If Senator Kennedy lied to us then, how can we trust him now? . Attrition through enforcement is the only fair and feasible way to deal with the 12 to 20 million illegal aliens currently in the United States. This proposal guarantees only that the problem of illegal immigration will only grow exponentially as it did after the 1986 amnesty.
Written in 2007

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posted on 01/28/2013 2:27:53 PM PST
by Wisconsinlady
(The 2nd amendment is NOT about hunting-but protection from a tyrannical govt)

The Republicans are neither stupid nor cowardly. They know exactly what they are doing. They want to flood this country with illegal aliens from the Third World just as much as the Democrats. El Presidente Bush could have sealed the border after 9/11 but decided to open the flood gates. Even the lowliest CONgressional Republicans doesn’t care if they lose their seats in the process. They are already set for life with their pension and health care paid for by the taxpayers and God known how much loot they have tucked away in Switzerland. The Democrats and Republicans are bought and paid for by the same crowd.

Conservatives in America are going to have to do exactly what we did in 2007 and melt the District of Corruption switchboard when the vote comes up. PASS THIS AND THERE IS NO POSSIBLE RETREAT FOR AMERICA, NONE.

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