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1. Letting the corps that were directly responsible for sinking themselves stay alive by giving them billions in bail outs, AFTER the populace voted against it, and having the CEOs of those companies use that money to give themselves bonuses... yeah it was a fantastic move.

2. The current recession is a direct result of the collapse of the housing market, and loans in general. A bill was passed that allowed banks to loan out more money than could reasonably be paid back. When surprise, it didn't get payed back, the whole thing shit the bed.
Know who was responsible for that Bill? Congress. Both parties in Congress. Though it was Democratic majority at the time.

3. So, haha yeah. And I'm sure spending more money than any president in history within MONTHS of getting into office had NoooooOOOothing to do with things.

1. We should have gave them an ultimatum, new government approved CEOs along with extremely heavy regulations, or no bail outs. But I doubt the republicans would have let Obama do that.

2. You realize you can be republican and label yourself Democrat right? Republicans are the masters of propaganda and lies, thats why theyre main supporters are from the bible belt and we can go on forever about the propaganda religion spews out.

3. FDR called it "Priming the Pump". Also paying for wars that your predecessor purposely did not.

edit: Im only 18 btw So haha yeah, your arguing with someone you probably would have ignored in the first place lol.
PS. plz continue though

[COLOR="Lime"]2. You realize you can be republican and label yourself Democrat right? Republicans are the masters of propaganda and lies, thats why theyre main supporters are from the bible belt and we can go on forever about the propaganda religion spews out.

edit: Im only 18 btw So haha yeah, your arguing with someone you probably would have ignored in the first place lol.
PS. plz continue though

You seriously need to check out what you define as Democrat and Republican. They are, as parties, the same thing currently. It used to be that republicans were conservative spenders while the democrats pushed social reform. Now it's simply who can spend more money and who can trick enough people to vote for them again. The social policies are the last remaining divisor between party lines, that is it. There is no longer room for economists or common sense in politics, just ask Ron Paul.

The main supporters, believe it or not, for the Republican party are people like me who realize we as a country cannot support the excessive waste of money that BOTH parties want to extend further. You just have to realize that Ron Paul is the one guy talking truth, and he happens to run as a Republican nominee.

I'm 22, it doesn't matter how old you are, just that you are willing to debate and learn about the important matters in life.

Last edited by -=GiMiK=-; 07-01-2012 at 13:20.

Originally Posted by Scrubby Bear

Its actually Maya game, not meta game. It comes from the ancient Mayan tradition of rubbing 2 phallic sticks together in a ritual simulating the bonding made by warriors battling in the grand arena.

If I'd be living America I'd definitely vote Ron Paul even though I don't think it's the best solution. It's just to stop all the corruption in the banking and war industry. He's the only one that sounds like a honest person to me as well.

[COLOR="Lime"]2. You realize you can be republican and label yourself Democrat right? Republicans are the masters of propaganda and lies

Really? That's the argument you're going to go with?

And if spending trillions of dollars we don't have is called "priming the pump".. then why haven't we recovered?

Oh and that little war thing, the one he promised to end within like, 7 months of taking office? And instead he just sent more troops in? Yeah. He's a real standup guy, passing bills that lets him detain US citizens indefinitely and using drones to spy on citizens...

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And if spending trillions of dollars we don't have is called "priming the pump".. then why haven't we recovered?

Oh and that little war thing, the one he promised to end within like, 7 months of taking office? And instead he just sent more troops in? Yeah. He's a real standup guy,

Look I understand the actual definition of being republican is not bad at all, but it has been hijacked by a Christian right wing fundamentalist group, with no doubt (Many democrats are bad people also, but not nearly as much). I think the old republicans were amazing, Ron Paul is to I just think Obama is better with a bigger chance of winning so I troll Ron Paul here and there lol, again thats why I never called him Evil hes a good man.

As for Priming the Pump, FDR did not have 8 years of one of the worst presidents in American history to succeed, I rest my case at that.

The war, George Bush fucked up Iraq and now its Obamas responsibility to at least try to stabilize the government before withdrawing. I do not doubt he said he will withdraw some troops in 7 months and did the opposite, its for votes and all presidents are guilty of this.

Originally Posted by Signus

passing bills that lets him detain US citizens indefinitely and using drones to spy on citizens...

How can you call Ron Paul stupid? Never heard him say anything stupid.

I wouldn't call him stupid. I think he's slightly above average. I don't think he's world class intellect, though. His simplicity, sincerity, and fringe values/ideology are what set him apart from the others and make him worth talking about.

I think any currency that can be inflated and has a limited market would be worse then something universal as gold. But I will say as long as we agree that we need competing currencies that is a moot point.

You do realize one of the biggest reasons we even started the FED and eventually got off the gold standard was BECAUSE we needed to be able to inflate currency, right? You talk about it like that's inherently bad.

You do realize one of the biggest reasons we even started the FED and eventually got off the gold standard was BECAUSE we needed to be able to inflate currency, right? You talk about it like that's inherently bad.

Inherently bad for economy. Inherently bad for producers. Very good for groups who want to extract wealth from others.

"What, you think just because you need it means you have a right to take mine?"

Inherently bad for economy. Inherently bad for producers. Very good for groups who want to extract wealth from others.

It saved our economy from a handicap that we have yet to solve without it and that you seem to want to ignore as if everything was great until a few hooded men in a back room implemented it for the sole purpose of *insert what ever the hell you are on about this week*. Ignorance to what you are even suggesting does not make a good argument.

You know what would be inherently bad for an economy? Linking the entire fate of the nation to a single commodity with limited means of regulating it in times of crisis. I know I say this way too often but... really, history... read it. I think I say it a lot because to be a Libertarian/Anarchist (not the same I know but for this argument I'm lumping them together) you virtually need to ignore the origins of the things you hate because you have nothing new to offer in its place. Will anyone please argue this point? I bring it up all the time and no one says a word.

It saved our economy from a handicap that we have yet to solve without it and that you seem to want to ignore as if everything was great until a few hooded men in a back room implemented it for the sole purpose of *insert what ever the hell you are on about this week*. Ignorance to what you are even suggesting does not make a good argument.

You know what would be inherently bad for an economy? Linking the entire fate of the nation to a single commodity with limited means of regulating it in times of crisis. I know I say this way too often but... really, history... read it. I think I say it a lot because to be a Libertarian/Anarchist (not the same I know but for this argument I'm lumping them together) you virtually need to ignore the origins of the things you hate because you have nothing new to offer in its place. Will anyone please argue this point? I bring it up all the time and no one says a word.

Lets talk about this in detail. What are the handicaps?

Furthermore you demonstrate your own ignorance if you think that gold is a commodity. Or that having a currency backed by gold would somehow tie the economy to it.

Money (gold) simply helps the economy to set the correct prices. We have not found a better way to do it yet.

edit: As far as history. How about Tom Woods. He writes about the history of the FED and how the panics after the FED were worse. Even though we were promised that the panics should be shorter and spaced more apart. Or the fact that one of the big keynesian historians agrees with him.

Last edited by Silverhandorder; 07-02-2012 at 00:34.

"What, you think just because you need it means you have a right to take mine?"