shut up dipsticks. Look at the play before looking at the stats. That was a horrible play call by pop and Green didn't fill (he was standing at midcourt before finally moving too late.) Green killed us that game with his t.o.s and missed shots. Parker played like crap. Timmy, Manu and Leonard were the only 3 to show up tonight.

Uwe Blab

06-20-13 10:55 PM

Green was the main chump tonight. But Manu has a habit of jumping without knowing where the ball is going. You just don't do that in a crucial moment like that.

ray7

06-20-13 10:55 PM

Just announced MVP-Ginobili for Miami

tabspur

06-20-13 10:56 PM

WTF are you 2 watching. The only 3 reasons we were in the game were Tim, Manu, and Kawhi. He had to press in the fourth quarter bc Tony Parker was horrible. Danny Green was worse, and nobody else did a damn thing. Oh ya, Manu ended a +6, best on the entire team. 18-3-5 were his #'s, btw.

tuncaboylu

06-20-13 10:57 PM

No matter what. The team did their best. We should finish it in Game 6.

And of course resign with Manu. For the sake of 10 years, he deserves a last contract(Not a big one of course).

jermbug

06-20-13 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steefposton
(Post 1300411)

shut up dipsticks.

if you can't post without the name calling, don't post.

And somewhere, Stephen Jackson is smiling.

steefposton

06-20-13 11:00 PM

When you have idiotic posts like that "please get rid of this clown" what else can you call them? That's how you talk about someone like Manu who has given us so many great moments as Spurs fan. Either you're a Miami troll or a pathetic excuse for a fan.

scarlet

06-20-13 11:02 PM

That last turnover was Duncan's fault, Miami switched and Duncan was in front of Lebron.Manu expected Duncan to roll to the basket but he didnt.

Uwe Blab

06-20-13 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tabspur
(Post 1300414)

WTF are you 2 watching. The only 3 reasons we were in the game were Tim, Manu, and Kawhi. He had to press in the fourth quarter bc Tony Parker was horrible. Danny Green was worse, and nobody else did a damn thing. Oh ya, Manu ended a +6, best on the entire team. 18-3-5 were his #'s, btw.

Tony Parker played afraid. If Lebron was on him, he would give up the ball everytime. I don't know if he was told to do that or if he didn't have the gas or he's still injured. But damn, at least try. Lebron could have expended energy trying to guard him instead of making game clinching shots at the end.

Uwe Blab

06-20-13 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scarlet
(Post 1300424)

That last turnover was Duncan's fault, Miami switched and Duncan was in front of Lebron.Manu expected Duncan to roll to the basket but he didnt.

Wrong, Manu was looking at the other corner when he jumped and then decided he didn't like what he saw and tried to desperately dump it to Tim, not knowing what was behind him.

jermbug

06-20-13 11:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steefposton
(Post 1300419)

When you have idiotic posts like that "please get rid of this clown" what else can you call them? That's how you talk about someone like Manu who has given us so many great moments as Spurs fan. Either you're a Miami troll or a pathetic excuse for a fan.

I'm not going to go through the whole thing again because it's been rehashed to death on this forum, but there's a huge difference between a blind fan and a realistic fan. I live in the present, not the past. What Manu gave us was in the past. Manu gives us nothing going forward.

ibanezsr

06-20-13 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tabspur
(Post 1300414)

WTF are you 2 watching. The only 3 reasons we were in the game were Tim, Manu, and Kawhi. He had to press in the fourth quarter bc Tony Parker was horrible. Danny Green was worse, and nobody else did a damn thing. Oh ya, Manu ended a +6, best on the entire team. 18-3-5 were his #'s, btw.

The +/- stat is the most useless stat in basketball

Spurd_On

06-20-13 11:10 PM

As it has been said before..."The Spurs will live or die with Manu" and that's what Pop was willing to do and that's what happened. But to say he is a "clown" or to say "don't resign him"?

Manu is not a clown. He is a legend who's game has left him. It happens to all players. I was a Dr J fan once and to watch him in his last season was tough. However, to not resign him is absurd. With a cheap contract, he is still of value off the bench if the price is right. His heart is enough to inspire and teach young players. He is just done as a premier piece but has value as a teacher.

lynn7mo

06-20-13 11:11 PM

It would be nice if some people were loyal to the players instead of the Spurs logo. Manu wasn't the old Manu, but neither was Parker. Not one thread about that though.

scarlet

06-20-13 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibanezsr
(Post 1300436)

The +/- stat is the most useless stat in basketball

How, it should be the most meaningful. It measures how good the team did with you on the floor.

Robofuzz

06-20-13 11:20 PM

Tony disappeared. As has happened in the past.

lynn7mo

06-20-13 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robofuzz
(Post 1300442)

Tony disappeared. As has happened in the past.

+1

Spurd_On

06-20-13 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robofuzz
(Post 1300442)

Tony disappeared. As has happened in the past.

That's BS. Parker was trying to play through an injury. Miami's shots went down. Spurs shots didn't. It's as simple as that and has nothing to do with Parker.

scarlet

06-20-13 11:37 PM

I say sign Manu for 4 mil,but do not play him till playoffs. Manu always beasts the first 2 months of the season because he is injury free. If his first 2 months are playoff months he can be much more effective.

ATHENEA

06-20-13 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robofuzz
(Post 1300442)

Tony disappeared. As has happened in the past.

+2

WILLTHETHRILL

06-20-13 11:42 PM

TP was gassed and didn't have a solid playoff ready point guard to spot him minutes and I pointed this out many times in the past. As far as Manu is concerned he will likely return at a huge pay cut. If he wants more let him go and retire his jersey when his NBA career is over. Lots of the great ones lost in the Finals. Magic, Bird, Shaq, Kobe, LeBron etc. It happens people. They had a meltdown and you don't recover from it period. The series was lost in the last game. Shocked would not describe how I would have felt if they had won tonight. Don't blame just Manu. Don't blame just Pop. The team lost. Miami won. Give the Heat credit for not quitting in the end of Game 6. Hats off to them and Kawhi. He played like a man every Finals game. Stop bashing Manu. He helped put banners on the rafters. I don't like the Heat but they finished the job and Spurs didn't.

tabspur

06-20-13 11:47 PM

The thing that was most useless in this game, was Tony's timid play, and Green's horrible shooting, along with his inability to put the ball on the floor. Lebron just muscled Tony out of his game. It forced Manu to be more of a playmaker. Another season of Joseph or Decolo may have helped. Letting Battier go off was a huge problem for us as well.

polk

06-21-13 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lynn7mo
(Post 1300438)

It would be nice if some people were loyal to the players instead of the Spurs logo. Manu wasn't the old Manu, but neither was Parker. Not one thread about that though.

That is not how true fans operate. Players come and go but be laundry and the logo stays he same. That is the issue I have with all these Johnny Come Lately Miami Heat fans. These are the same people that were probably Bulls fans, Lakers fans and the like. Rolling with the team de jour.

lynn7mo

06-21-13 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polk
(Post 1300471)

That is not how true fans operate. Players come and go but be laundry and the logo stays he same. That is the issue I have with all these Johnny Come Lately Miami Heat fans. These are the same people that were probably Bulls fans, Lakers fans and the like. Rolling with the team de jour.

Good to know...put the laundry on the court & see if we make the finals.

ThomasamohT

06-21-13 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lynn7mo
(Post 1300508)

Good to know...put the laundry on the court & see if we make the finals.

As long as we don't put out those horrid grey uniforms, I'm game.

e_93gsx

06-21-13 03:25 AM

The gracious thing for Manu to do is just retire. He is kidding himself if he still thinks he can play at an NBA level. Always hurt or having a bad game just doesn't cut it. It's not a knock on him he's 37(something like that-old). It's just time for him to retire.

SPURSGIRL4Life

06-21-13 04:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robofuzz
(Post 1300442)

Tony disappeared. As has happened in the past.

+3

Really where was Tony?
I know it's easy to point the finger at Manu but in the end it was a team loss. As everyone else has said for the most part we should have taken what was ours in game six. All we needed was 1 of six things to go right but they couldn't finish. Game 7 was going through the motions. Game seven just left me feeling pissed off which is a great alternative to depression. The transition years that I feared in the past really aren't so bad. They just haven't resulted in immediate results of another championship....yet.

Flipmode Master

06-21-13 05:12 AM

Tony had the whole Heat squad on him with a bad hammy...he should have shot the ball better but man its only so much we can expect from someone being doubled every possession.

Manu came to play finally but he turned the ball over 4 times in the fourth...why can't he just play well...without these odd passes???

cliff5000

06-21-13 06:50 AM

At some point once great players need to be replaced and you have to start looking for future stars to lead the team. TP and TD have contracts still, and guys that don't need to be replaced with younger players. It's that simple even if they're players that led the team to 3 championships....!

polk

06-21-13 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lynn7mo
(Post 1300508)

Good to know...put the laundry on the court & see if we make the finals.

Wow?!? All that comedy talent being wasted on a fan website. Don't limit yourself to the Internet, take that show on the road. You could pack 'em in at arenas around the country.

grizzly_bexar

06-21-13 10:52 AM

We need Manu back. The heat beat us with Mike Miller, Shane Battier, Chris Andersen, and ray Allen. All of those guys are as old and is washed up as Manu in comparison with their former level of play.

We need him back, just at a reduced price and a reduced role. He would be fine if you didn't have so much defense of attention on him. Just the same way the heat were with their role players.

polk

06-21-13 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grizzly_bexar
(Post 1300557)

We need Manu back. The heat beat us with Mike Miller, Shane Battier, Chris Andersen, and ray Allen. All of those guys are as old and is washed up as Manu in comparison with their former level of play.

We need him back, just at a reduced price and a reduced role. He would be fine if you didn't have so much defense of attention on him. Just the same way the heat were with their role players.

A serious question... What role can Manu play? His reputation was of being a spark off the bench and a relentless penetrator and finisher. People will say he has a high b-ball IQ but that could be argued as a result of his play in these playoffs and the high risk/high reward style of play he imparts. You could argue that but that is not the point.

Battier is a defender and 3-point "specialist" ala Bruce Bowen
Andersen is the energy guy but he's 6"10". At 6'5" Manu can't do what he does.
Miller and Allen are catch and shoot type shooters. Not Manu's game

I'm curious to know what role he could provide that this team needs. I'm not talking about heart and soul. His heart will never leave him but that doesn't put points on the board consistently.

DDAMAGE

06-21-13 11:58 AM

All I know is I'm just as disappointed like you all. Manu should come back at a very reduced home discount.

With that being said, on a positive note, I'm excited to see our new star in the making:

21 year old Kawhi. In last night's game he started penetrating and I think he's going to add another dimension to his game next year. So let's stay positive.

God Bless my friends.

Uwe Blab

06-21-13 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by grizzly_bexar
(Post 1300557)

We need Manu back. The heat beat us with Mike Miller, Shane Battier, Chris Andersen, and ray Allen. All of those guys are as old and is washed up as Manu in comparison with their former level of play.

We need him back, just at a reduced price and a reduced role. He would be fine if you didn't have so much defense of attention on him. Just the same way the heat were with their role players.

That's kind of the problem. Defenses will key on him because he handles the ball so much and has a lot of responsibilities. He can't perform in that role anymore (which I've been saying for awhile now).

Quote:

Originally Posted by polk
(Post 1300576)

A serious question... What role can Manu play? His reputation was of being a spark off the bench and a relentless penetrator and finisher. People will say he has a high b-ball IQ but that could be argued as a result of his play in these playoffs and the high risk/high reward style of play he imparts. You could argue that but that is not the point.

Battier is a defender and 3-point "specialist" ala Bruce Bowen
Andersen is the energy guy but he's 6"10". At 6'5" Manu can't do what he does.
Miller and Allen are catch and shoot type shooters. Not Manu's game

I'm curious to know what role he could provide that this team needs. I'm not talking about heart and soul. His heart will never leave him but that doesn't put points on the board consistently.

Exactly. You can't tell a guy like Manu, who is such a competitor, to just sit at the 3pt line and what for a pass. First of all, he's not a consistent shooter, but second he's used to being more involved. I truly believe the only way the Spurs can move away from a Manu-centric team is for him to retire or walk.

scarlet

06-21-13 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polk
(Post 1300576)

A serious question... What role can Manu play? His reputation was of being a spark off the bench and a relentless penetrator and finisher. People will say he has a high b-ball IQ but that could be argued as a result of his play in these playoffs and the high risk/high reward style of play he imparts. You could argue that but that is not the point.

Battier is a defender and 3-point "specialist" ala Bruce Bowen
Andersen is the energy guy but he's 6"10". At 6'5" Manu can't do what he does.
Miller and Allen are catch and shoot type shooters. Not Manu's game

I'm curious to know what role he could provide that this team needs. I'm not talking about heart and soul. His heart will never leave him but that doesn't put points on the board consistently.

Manu can be effective, but he needs to go to a team where he is not handling the ball so much. When was a the last time spurs had a good back up point guard? At his age it is hard for him to score efficiently and handle the ball.

In my opinion Manu is still the best pick and roll 2 guard in the game. Except for this year, the Manu-Timmy pick and roll was the spurs offense, and it was our go-to play down the stretch.

If we sign Manu for less than 4 mil it will be a great steal.

scarlet

06-21-13 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uwe Blab
(Post 1300431)

Wrong, Manu was looking at the other corner when he jumped and then decided he didn't like what he saw and tried to desperately dump it to Tim, not knowing what was behind him.

My bad I just looked at the replay. Manu should have kept his dribble and took it back out.
I just assumed Duncan was open because I remembered Bosh switched on Manu.

polk

06-21-13 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scarlet
(Post 1300579)

Manu can be effective, but he needs to go to a team where he is not handling the ball so much. When was a the last time spurs had a good back up point guard? At his age it is hard for him to score efficiently and handle the ball.

In my opinion Manu is still the best pick and roll 2 guard in the game. Except for this year, the Manu-Timmy pick and roll was the spurs offense, and it was our go-to play down the stretch.

If we sign Manu for less than 4 mil it will be a great steal.

That is the problem. Many of us are talking about this year while others are focusing on what Manu has been. What makes you believe that he will be back and be better next year? Why won't he miss about 25-30 games due to various injuries. What will change?

Many will say that we were saying the same about Tim 2 years ago. That may be true but two things that make the situations different:

1) Tim is 6'11". Can't teach height. Basketball is still a big man's game. That is one reason why Bonner continue to be on the team. If Bonner was 6'5" he'd be outta the league.

2) Tim never relied on athleticism or slashing or anything like that when it came to his game.

This is not a hater talking. Have appreciated everything he has done for the organization. Put his jersey in the rafters, hell build a statue in front of the arena but as of right now, it is time to move on.

ATHENEA

06-21-13 12:34 PM

I love fans that have magic solutions...Life must look so easy for u, guys.
Manu is gone and magically we address the back pg issue (it's been 10 years and counting...) and the C or PF problem and the lack of killer instict.
I agree. Time to move on from the idea that is Manu Ginobili, good and bad, so the real problems can be addressed. And I tell you, it will look a lot worse until it starts to look better.

DDAMAGE

06-21-13 12:37 PM

Not to get off the subject but I'm hoping in next weeks draft we get a kid that can come play now. I know RC in the past has hit on international players but I don't want them drafting one and having to wait a couple of years to come over and play. Also hoping that if POP is coaching next year he allow the new, young, fresh legs play but then again that's probably wishful thinking. Although he has let Kawhi play. Trying to get over the lost. Sorry. Haha

lynn7mo

06-21-13 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by polk
(Post 1300533)

Wow?!? All that comedy talent being wasted on a fan website. Don't limit yourself to the Internet, take that show on the road. You could pack 'em in at arenas around the country.

Actually it's called sarcasm, but no matter.

WILLTHETHRILL

06-21-13 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DDAMAGE
(Post 1300585)

Not to get off the subject but I'm hoping in next weeks draft we get a kid that can come play now. I know RC in the past has hit on international players but I don't want them drafting one and having to wait a couple of years to come over and play. Also hoping that if POP is coaching next year he allow the new, young, fresh legs play but then again that's probably wishful thinking. Although he has let Kawhi play. Trying to get over the lost. Sorry. Haha

I'm with you on the draft fix. You build through the draft. If you build through FA you look like the Knicks. The next two drafts will be big for the Spurs.

ThomasamohT

06-21-13 01:29 PM

I've hated on Manu as much as anyone because I believe he is done but he doesn't see it. He goes into hero mode and ends up playing so poorly it's painful to watch. I also don't think he's worked on his game to develop anything since he came into the league. He's still relying on speed and athleticism that has been leaving him.

That said I'm not opposed to resigning him at a low number (although I do fear the spurs will overpay him). I think in a VERY limited roll he can succeed he(and pop) just need to realize he's not even the 5th best player on the team.

frenchfred

06-22-13 07:56 AM

If Manu comes back he knows that he has to take a huge paycut otherwise the team is not going to get any better. I would say 3 million a year maximum and the Spurs can go after few players. Next year is going to be the last opportunity if they are able to get help inside.

clovisnmspurfan

06-22-13 02:36 PM

Sorry guys, Manu still can bring us quality minutes, no he is not 6th man anymore but still has something to offer. I believe he has mental fatigue more than physical. We have up and comers like Kawi, Green, Mills, Splitter, Baynes, De Colo, Joseph. If we can get a year or two more out of him it will allow us to mature the younger guys. He probably deserves vet minimum at this point in his career. Lets not throw him under the bus.

Rzarector7

06-22-13 03:57 PM

He will be back for another, for alot less money obviously and probably not the primary ball handler behind Tony but he will be back next year. I don't want him gone yet either, he can retire on his own terms.