Gary Numan Digest Thu, 3 Feb 2000 Volume 2 : Issue 9
Today's Topics:
"Cars" at the Superbowl
"Cars" In Oldsmobile Commercial in USA! (3 msgs)
"CARS" on Oldsmobile commercial!!
"Cars" poster for trade/sale
"Dance" poster
Cars featured in US
Cars used in Super Bowl ad
faces at random
FREE CDs
Gary Numan Digest V2 #8
Gaz chats ...
Help! I need to get out more!
Missing Digests
North American Gary Numan Fan Club (3 msgs)
Numan Digest
Numan music played for Superbowl Advert!
Oldsmobile commercial
Remastering
The Bowie Thing Again
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Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:15:14 -0600
From: Jeff Tolva
Subject: "Cars" at the Superbowl
To: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU
So did anyone else catch the Oldsmobile commercial with the kids singing
the first two full verses of "Cars" during the Superbowl? I thought it was
a cool touch to have their clothing change colors just like the beginning
of the original "Cars" video when Gary's clothing changes as he walks into
the neon pyramid. Coincidence? I think not ;-) Not a bad commercial to
promote Oldsmobile cars, especially since commercial time during the
Superbowl was 2 million US dollars per 30 seconds.
Jeff Tolva (The Machman)
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Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 23:36:34 -0000
From: "NumanBoy"
Subject: "Cars" In Oldsmobile Commercial in USA!
To: "BoysLikeUs"
Wow!
There is a new Oldsmobile TV advert airing in the USA which features "Cars"
The ad is a take on the recent Gap (clothing store) ads where a group of
fashionable young people sing a cover of an 80's new wave song. One recent
Gap ad featured Depeche Mode's "Just Can't Get Enough" In fact, I thought
it was a Gap ad, until the car pulls into the scene at the end of the spot.
The spot aired tonight on the Jay Leno Show on NBC at about 12:30am today.
Cheers!
David
a.k.a. NumanBoy
Proud Member Of Boys Like Us
www.numanboy.com
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Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 08:46:36 EST
From: Srlucado@aol.com
Subject: "Cars" In Oldsmobile Commercial in USA!
To: numanboy@numanboy.com, boyslikeus@onelist.com
Yeah--it premiered during the Super Bowl. You can download the commercial from the oldsmobile.com website.
That's two Numan appearances in two commercials in the last year! (Though I never did see the "Blue" card commercial.)
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Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 12:09:24 -0800
From: "Andy West"
Subject: "Cars" In Oldsmobile Commercial in USA!
To: , ,
Just seen the AD here in the uk....WOW!!!!!
Andy
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To: numanboy@numanboy.com; boyslikeus@onelist.com
Cc: iconoclast@kreative.net; martin@purvision.com;
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Subject: Re: "Cars" In Oldsmobile Commercial in USA!
Yeah--it premiered during the Super Bowl. You can download the commercial
from the oldsmobile.com website.
That's two Numan appearances in two commercials in the last year! (Though I
never did see the "Blue" card commercial.)
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 19:26:44 EST
From: HateGrape@aol.com
Subject: "CARS" on Oldsmobile commercial!!
To: digest@garynumanfan.nu
Oh yes--I was watching NYPD BLUE in NY the other evening, when a commercial
that looked like a trendy Gap ad with annoying looking models started
cranking everyone's favorite 80s tune, CARS!!!!! Suddenly, the models run to
the side and the new oldsmobile skids into the picture, while (what I guess)
is an interpretation of Numan's classic blares in the background!!!
Personally, I'll never get sick of that song, even with moronic looking
"models" singing the words and trying to look "Numanesque!!!!!" Bravo
Oldsmobile!
-Nick The Yak (aka HateGrape)
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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 08:09:12 -0600
From: Jeff Tolva
Subject: "Cars" poster for trade/sale
To: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU
Fellow Numanoids,
I have a color Gary Numan poster measuring 41" X 61" (i.e. LARGE SIZE) for
trade or sale. The poster is in very good condition and was bought new in
1993. The poster has the picture of the formula racing car promoting the
1993 "Cars" single at the time. Sorry, but I have no pictures to e-mail
anyone, but if your interested in trading for it or buying it from me,
please let me know.
Jeff Tolva (The Machman)
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Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:28:43 -0600
From: Jeff Tolva
Subject: "Dance" poster
To: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU
Fellow Numan collectors,
I know this is a real LONG shot, but does anyone know where I can find the
original poster that came with some of the initial vinyl pressings of the
"Dance" LP? I've seen it before, but it wasn't for sale :-( I would love
to add this one to my collection, but have yet to run into a copy that
someone was willing to part with. If anyone can help, please drop me a
line. I'll offer a good price for it!
Cheers,
Jeff Tolva (The Machman)
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:21:31 EST
From: WAR4PREZ@aol.com
Subject: Cars featured in US
To: digest@garynumanfan.nu
Cars was recently played on a Oldsmobile commercial during the superbowl. Pretty cool because it was making fun of the "Gap" ads.
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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 19:16:23 EST
From: HarlowGold@aol.com
Subject: Cars used in Super Bowl ad
To: digest@garynumanfan.nu
I have the Super Bowl on tv right now and there was just an Oldsmobile car ad
that used an instrumental of Cars in it! It starts out mocking that Gap ad
(I think it's Gap) with these slack jawed teenagers singing the words to Cars
then they hear a car coming, turn and run away. That's when the instrumental
of Cars comes in. It's cool to see a Gary song get that kind of exposure!
Lisa
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Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 22:09:51 -0800
From: Derek Langsford
Subject: faces at random
To: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU
In V2 #7 Ben asked:
>Does anyone know what this item by Gary is?
> The Best Of 1984-1992
>(Catalog # H350879 $10.95 Label: emporio Release Date: 10/13/96
>Import From: Nl Genre: rock Rec Number: EMPRCD666)
Avoid it. It's another of those Receiver/Rialto/Trojan crappy
compilations. Emporio is another Trojan subsidiary. It just rehashes
stuff that is available elsewhere. It is not a singles collection. NDfO
is the closest yet.
>Or, hey, what about this? It's listed as a "2 item" which I'm guessing
>means two discs. Did BB give up on trying to find the LO '80 masters
>and put out a two-disc set of the vinyl release? Steve Webbon, could
>you fill us in on this one?
> Living Ornaments 1979/80
>(Catalog #B348269 $25.95 Label: beggars banquet Release Date: 1/20/00
>Import From: Eec Genre: rock Rec Number: 032 215523)
Be very careful. It is most likely an issue of LO 79 or 81 and not 80. I
am sure Steve would have told us if the 80 tapes had been found.
I wonder if the work has started on I, Assassin and Warriors?
Derek
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Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 17:06:30 -0800
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Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 19:48:42 -0600
From: "Don Baker"
Subject: Gary Numan Digest V2 #8
To: "Gary Numan"
Did anyone see the Oldsmobile commercial during the Super Bowl? It featured
a bunch of slack-jawed, doe-eyed bohemian Gen-X types singing "Cars" to what
sounded like Numan's original instrumental version...a spoof of all of those
clothing commercials in which the youngsters sing old songs while modeling
hip clothing. The clip ended with a snazzy Olds screeching up and sending
all the hip kids scrambling.
Who would have thought twenty years ago that Numan would be used to sell
Oldsmobiles, the original geezer car! This is not your father's Oldsmobile
indeed!
Still, its nice to see, once again, that there are some folks in the ad
industry that do remember and do appreciate!
Don Baker, Ph.D.
Arkansas School for Mathematics and Sciences
http://www2.arkansas.net/~wdbaker
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 22:35:12 +0300
From: "The Tik-Tok Man"
Subject: Gaz chats ...
To: "Numan Digest"
Semi-amusing response to Gary Perkins' question concerning amusing Numan
meetings:
I steamed into Gaz at the Holiday Inn after one of his Metal Rhythm gigs at
the Astoria in Oct. 88 (?) if memory serves. In typical Aussie fashion, I
walked up to him, beer in hand, said "G'day Gary!" and he shook my hand,
said that he remembered me chatting to his dad a few years prior etc. We
chatted about many things for several minutes (he's extremely down to Earth)
while those black babes that he was using as backing singers hung around
flirting with us. I asked him "Is it tough being famous?" And he replied,
"Sometimes yeah. But when these fat girls camp out on my front lawn I don't
come out. If they were babes it would be different, but I seem to attract
these fat ugly cows ... " Then he got this far away look and let out a big
sigh ...
BTW my wedding reception went down like a bomb, even though I spent most of
my wedding day monumentally pissed on vodka and champagne. One mate
commented, "Great dance tracks, even the 8 versions of "Cars"!
BTW Gary, take my advice; if you ever feel over-awed by a famous person,
just imagine them sat on the toilet, and the reality of the situation will
be restored ...
TikTokMan
Moscow
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 12:06:46 -0800
From: "Jim Benson, AICP"
Subject: Help! I need to get out more!
To: "Gary Numan"
> Jim Benson - A-ha..A-ha..?...WHAT??....WHAAAT !!!???
>
> When on earth did Gary Numan "try to be A-ha" ???? Either you are having
> some kind of in-joke, or you need to seek help.
> And just for the record......Take a look at the similarities between the
> Complex video & the A-ha animated video(s?). Then check the year
> of release
> of each. And do you really think Numan is able to, or would even wish to,
> sing as high as Morten "nuts in a vice" Harket ???
>
> Get out more.
Wow, this is quite the response. Hmmm. I have absolutely no response to
this. However another more thoughtful person might have replied...
> Jim, I believe that you are falling victim to the same crime that
> you spoke
> out against. You are judging a group based solely on their one
> A-ha have produced several BRILLIANT albums (Scoundrel Days, Stay On These
> Roads, East Of The Sun, West Of The Moon, and Memorial
Point taken. I'm afraid that in the early 80s I was subjected to a roommate
in Omaha, Nebraska, that played nothing but that first A-Ha album and Kool
and the Gang every day, several times a day, for about 8 solid months.
Living in Omaha was hell enough, but that drove me pretty much over the
edge. :) I could not escape Take On Me, it was everywhere in my face, in
my bed, in the shower, in my breakfast cereal for months on end. I fear
that I now have an a-haphobia now that manefests itself sometimes in ugly
ways.
So I remove the pejorative band reference and will rephrase to say that Gary
wasn't producing stuff that was up to his own level of creativity and
giftedness.
And he pretty much said the same thing in that interview on apple.com, which
was a very excellent interview, by the way. Thanks to whoever recommended
that.
> Of course, the possibility exists that you are aware of a-ha's entire
> history and just don't like them -- if that is the case, then my apologies
> and ignore everything that I am saying. :-)
Ha! No, you're correct. My bad. Perhaps I should get out more? :-)
Joey said:
> Gary is on record as agreeing with you. Cars has been both a blessing
> and a curse for him, and in one interview he cited several other bands
> in similar situations... "oh yeah, they're the guys that recorded that
> song (insert song name here)" and nobody remembers anything else they
> did. I'm not sure I entirely agree, but there's much to be said for
> this argument.
I know that some people have hazy memories of other things Gary did. But I
must say I very much liked his responses in the Apple.com interview (again).
I've read some fairly terse or angry interviews with Gary and this one
seemed very at peace with himself. That was really great.
Jim Benson
www.ourfounder.com
www.mp3.com/ama
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Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 22:14:08 -0800
From: Derek Langsford
Subject: Missing Digests
To: vickers@netcomuk.co.uk, Jason Orton ,
We are trying to figure out what is going wrong. It appears some people
are getting them but not others, including myself.
Go to http://digest.garynumanfan.nu for any missing issues. We will try to
get the bug fixed ASAP.
Derek
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:24:20 -0800 (PST)
From: PolareBear
Subject: North American Gary Numan Fan Club
To: digest@garynumanfan.nu
The latest mindless attack against the NAGNFC comes from Phil Marsh:
>Jim wasn't around apparently to answer those comments at the
>time, and only emerged on the Digest relatively recently. Although
>he has answered a recent criticism this time around:-
>> I really did
>> send two videos to you. Who knows what happened? All I can do is offer
>> apology in either cash, or the video (to another address this time
please!).
>I can't help but wonder why this wasn't offered at the time...instead
>of "well, sorry I guess some guy at the post office wanted it more".
Please note in my response to JAD that an apology letter with attempts
to resolve was sent to him in 1993 which received no reply. What would you
have done Phil? Also note in my letter that I have been resolving issues
100% of the time by Numanoids who felt slighted for whatever reason. I'm
not poor and need not take advantage of my fellow Numanoids.
At the apex of the NAGFNC paper fanzine, it was being distributed and
read by hundreds of Numanoids in 12 countries monthly. Folks really must
have hated me to be so popular, eh? What a bunch of suckers, those idiots
who were recieving free Numan tapes in the mail monthly. Those retarded
jerks who came by from coast to coast to take part in massive parties I
threw at no charge for them. I mean, what were they thinking? In the
future I will be more like Phil Marsh, all talk and no action. I would have
been better off it seems.
Jim "The Machman" Napier
Curator NAGNFC
http://themachman.garynumanfan.nu
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:25:23 -0800 (PST)
From: PolareBear
Subject: North American Gary Numan Fan Club
To: digest@garynumanfan.nu
The latest mindless attack against the NAGNFC comes from Phil Marsh:
>Jim wasn't around apparently to answer those comments at the
>time, and only emerged on the Digest relatively recently. Although
>he has answered a recent criticism this time around:-
>> I really did
>> send two videos to you. Who knows what happened? All I can do is offer
>> apology in either cash, or the video (to another address this time
please!).
>I can't help but wonder why this wasn't offered at the time...instead
>of "well, sorry I guess some guy at the post office wanted it more".
Please note in my response to JAD that an apology letter with attempts
to resolve was sent to him in 1993 which received no reply. What would you
have done Phil? Also note in my letter that I have been resolving issues
100% of the time by Numanoids who felt slighted for whatever reason. I'm
not poor and need not take advantage of my fellow Numanoids.
At the apex of the NAGFNC paper fanzine, it was being distributed and
read by hundreds of Numanoids in 12 countries monthly. Folks really must
have hated me to be so popular, eh? What a bunch of suckers, those idiots
who were recieving free Numan tapes in the mail monthly. Those retarded
jerks who came by from coast to coast to take part in massive parties I
threw at no charge for them. I mean, what were they thinking? In the
future I will be more like Phil Marsh, all talk and no action. I would have
been better off it seems.
Jim "The Machman" Napier
Curator NAGNFC
http://themachman.garynumanfan.nu
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 21:31:56 -0000
From: "Phil Marsh"
Subject: North American Gary Numan Fan Club
To: PolareBear@excite.com
Jim Napier says:
> The latest mindless attack against the NAGNFC comes from Phil Marsh:
> Please note in my response to JAD that an apology letter with attempts
> to resolve was sent to him in 1993 which received no reply. What would you
> have done Phil? Also note in my letter that I have been resolving issues
> 100% of the time by Numanoids who felt slighted for whatever reason. I'm
> not poor and need not take advantage of my fellow Numanoids.
> At the apex of the NAGFNC paper fanzine, it was being distributed and
> read by hundreds of Numanoids in 12 countries monthly. Folks really must
> have hated me to be so popular, eh? What a bunch of suckers, those idiots
> who were recieving free Numan tapes in the mail monthly. Those retarded
> jerks who came by from coast to coast to take part in massive parties I
> threw at no charge for them. I mean, what were they thinking? In the
> future I will be more like Phil Marsh, all talk and no action. I would have
> been better off it seems.
You obviously have the right to reply. A pity then, you didn't read
my post properly. I guess you've had complaints before since
you're being so aggressively defensive.
I'm not going to get involved in trading personal insults which you
apparently want to do; if you want to carry on, please go right
ahead.
I've cc'ed this to the Digest because you haven't addressed me
directly in your mail, so I assume you've sent the original to the
Digest and copied me in afterwards. If you want to waste any more
effort, address me personally and keep it off the Digest eh?
Phil
(phil.marsh@ndirect.co.uk)
http://www.ndirect.co.uk/~phil.marsh
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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 17:10:06 -0500
From: "Todd M. LeMieux"
Subject: Numan Digest
To: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU
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Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 20:59:24 -0500
From: "Troy L. Walters"
Subject: Numan music played for Superbowl Advert!
To: Gary Numan Digest
Hello all,
I hope this message gets through... something up with the
GaryNumanFanServer?
Anyway...
HUGE NEWS!!!!!
During the Superbowl (only one of the most watched television events in
America each year) the commercial spots go for millions of dollars.
This year, 2.5 million.
Just prior to the games half-time festivities an OLDSMOBILE commercial
is run. It starts out like those GAP adds, where these guys and girls
stand around in kackys, singing 80's tunes. Then, they begin to
scramble as a brand new Oldsmobile slides into the center of the
screen. It's awesome!
So, what does this have to do with Gary Numan? The song they are
singing is CARS! Couldn't have picked a better song for the advert. I
realize it's "kind of" living on past glories -- but it is a 2000 model
year Oldsmobile. :-)
Hope all is well. Take good care,
Troy L. Walters
tlwalter@tctc.com
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Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2000 06:49:17 -0500
From: Cary Wiltz
Subject: Oldsmobile commercial
To: digest@GaryNumanFan.NU
I must tell you people that it was quite a pleasant surprise while watching
the Superbowl this past weekend when a commercial came on and it was none
other than a rendition of Gary Numan's "Cars" playing with all of these
"Gap like" children singing it. Turned out to be a commercial for
Oldsmobile! What a great spin on those tiresome Gap commercials! Quite
clever!
Cary
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:08:20 +1300
From: "D & J Hall"
Subject: Remastering
To: "Numan Digest"
Yesterday I received the BB re-issue of Dance in the mail, courtesy of
NuStreet.
One word - "Brilliant!"
Congrats to Steve, Steve and Jeff[1] on the re-issue.
I'd almost forgotten how fantastic this album is. Previously I only had the
CD on the '87 'Exhibition' Tubeway Army/Dance combo and didn't listen to it
often because it doesn't have all the tracks and because it is difficult to
start my car CD player[2] after the TA tracks. I do have the album on vinyl,
but my turntable is in the loft and its a long way to climb to change sides
;)
I have a question regarding the process of remastering that a) I hope hasn't
been covered before and b) isn't too dumb...
I understand that when recording an album all the tracks (as in components
to each song rather than the songs themselves) are recorded to a 'master
tape' and that these master tapes are somehow used to cut a master which is
then used to 'press' vinyl / CDs.
What I don't understand is how these remastered versions can contain more
musical information than the original and therefore sound better.
Is it newer/flasher equipment or is it down to a particularly skilled
engineer tweaking bits? and if so, what bits? and should I feel elated that
I am hearing more/better music or cheated that I am actually hearing an
engineers 'composition' that may not be what the original artist intended me
to hear?
What exactly does re-mastering involve?
I also got the paperback of PTTA. It should be interesting to read what Gary
thinks of himself. Let's see how much it shares with Ray Colemans'
biography!
;-D
halldj@ihug.co.nz
1./ Messrs Webbon, Malins and Tolva.
2./ For this is where I find most time to listen to Gary because a) I have a
45 min trip to and from work and b) my wife doesn't let me listen to Numan
at home.
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Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:37:03 -0800
From: Pythoness
Subject: The Bowie Thing Again
To: digest@garynumanfan.nu
>"It was a cross-generational artists' conference after David Bowie's club
>gig
>at London's Astoria. Norman 'Fatboy Slim' Cook chatted with Bowie as Bob
>Geldof and Pete Townshend made the rounds, Mick Jagger and Jerry Hall sat
>with friends, members of the Cure and Placebo lurked, and Gary Numan sipped
>alongside actor Joesph Fiennes.
Does this mean that Numan and Bowie were once again in the same room
together? Hm. Wonder if they interacted! It's unlikely that Bowie could
still regard Numan as much of a threat to his popularity these days.
Does anyone know if they've had any (ooh, I want to say "social
intercourse," but people have *so* forgotten that "intercourse" means
anything except *sexual* intercourse, and I promise you, if I say "social
intercourse," I mean SOCIAL intercourse, OK?) (oh, I'm wussing out)
interaction since the Notorious Snub of the '80's?
Oh, and I guess this is my first post to the new list! I spoze I ought to
re-introduce myself, since I don't post very often these days (due to
having Some Sort of Life). I've been on the list for five? or six? years.
Ziggy Blum, female, 36, been with The Man since the beginning (end of '79)
thanks to first beau who introduced me to "Gary Newman and his Two-Boy
Army" (as I thought it was at the time).
Never managed to actually *see* him until 1998 when I caught the Portland
show--smallest venue he appeared at, holding about 350 people. To my
lasting regret he was too tired to do a meet & greet afterward
[[DAMN!!!!]], though I didn't blame him. I found that I could, in fact,
recapitulate all my 15-year-old Numania (and drove my bosses crazy).
Just had a dream about Gary last night and am wearing my Exile T-shirt (the
only Official shirt I own) today. Wore my collector's ;-) Numanews T-shirt
to work yesterday and ran into one person who recognized the logo and one
who couldn't remember who Perry Newman was, which is about par for the
course.
I'm single, play Celtic harp, some bass guitar (used to be in an industrial
band) and some plain guitar, keep birds (cockatiels) and snakes (corn,
king, ball python), not to mention snakefood. I do ceramic sculpture and
pottery, bind books, write fiction and poetry, and, of course, work at a
grocery because I don't make shit off of art.
Glad the list is still here, and I enjoy it, more or less, even when it's a
yowling fest. And I've gotten a few letters here and there from Digesters
that I lost before I could answer--sorry guys, it's never been anything
personal!!
Lastly: MARK! You still out there, man?
zg
Pestmaster (zigi@ravenland.com)
Ziggy's House O' Vermin
http://www.ravenland.com/index.htm/index.htm
has been updated. Check out my new harp!
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Toll the bell
Pay the private eye
All's well
The 20th Century dies
--D. Bowie
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