Necessity Is... again:(quoting Roy Estrada)"One time we were playing in San Francisco, and Elliot wasn't even hooked up (connected to his amp). And he was going to town and Frank was just looking at him (mimics Frank's disapproving look). I remember thinking, "That's it right there - this guy is finished." (laughs) But I swear I heard the guitar though - even though he wasn't hooked up. Elliot was out there already, Frank just didn't know it at the time. Well... he did. As you can see Elliot blossomed into something after Freak Out.

(quoting Ray Collins) "The period I was in the band, I think that Elliot Ingber was the only person who was ever fired He "abused drugs", I suppose is the modern way of saying it, he maybe smoked a little bit too much, I think, and he got to the point where he didn't do the mechanics of tuning his guitar and playing on stage."

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