"I don't do Pro Days, we send our scouts to those. I would rather spend my time watching film. The eye in the sky never lies. Functional Strength and athletic ability are the first things we look for in a college prospect." - Mark Dominik, Buccaneers GM

A little naive to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point. If you knew how he interacted with the kids you would think there would be no chance in ******* hell that he was one of the biggest scumbag coaches in CFB(at least who have been caught)

i still don't see how this all makes him one of the "biggest scumbag coaches in CFB." What he did was wrong, but there are a lot worse things out there than keeping the things he did confidential. If you heard of any of the reports given by recruits' parents about how he recruits or any players' testimony about what kind of person he is behind the scenes and what kind of methods he uses compared to a lot of other coaches (especially in recruiting) then scumbag would be the farthest adjective from your mind.

i still don't see how this all makes him one of the "biggest scumbag coaches in CFB." What he did was wrong, but there are a lot worse things out there than keeping the things he did confidential. If you heard of any of the reports given by recruits' parents about how he recruits or any players' testimony about what kind of person he is behind the scenes and what kind of methods he uses compared to a lot of other coaches (especially in recruiting) then scumbag would be the farthest adjective from your mind.

I don't disagree but you have to be open-minded to the other side of the coin as well.

"keeping things confidential"-- He didn't keep things confidential. He told Chris Cicero it would be confidential while forwarding behind Cicero's back to Ted Sarniak and denied their existence to the NCAA as well as the University.

"How he recruits"-- 400 or so self-reported recruiting violations during his tenure. Imagine how many weren't reported.

"What kind of person he is"-- He is the kind that will allow a person in the midst of a highly desparaging sexual assault controversy still sign with his program.

"What kind of methods he uses"-- Like allowing Maurice Clarrett on his sideline when he was on an Official visit to the University of Michigan.

Again, I think Tressel did alot of great things and think he's far from "the worst scumbag in CFB" but to glaze over the negative aspects while only recognizing the positive can be detrimental.

It will be interesting to see how this resonates through the rest of the NCAA. Will other schools decide to start investigate themselves or just hope they do not get caught? Will ex-players from other schools come to the press and tell their story? I think most of us know that this type of stuff goes on at most schools. Will this happening at Ohio St start a domino affect on other big name programs?

I do think Tressel turned a blind eye to this, his main goal was to win games, keep the boosters, fan base and school happy. Any player who actually participated in the whole tattoo scandal knew what they were doing was wrong. I hope all those players fall hard for this too.

The mentality of today's entitled athlete combined with these moronic boosters and host of other characters who want some sort of brush with fame are as much to blame. Boosters throw money at these kids and the universities do not care as long as they are winning and do not get caught.

A little naive to give him the benefit of the doubt at this point. If you knew how he interacted with the kids you would think there would be no chance in ******* hell that he was one of the biggest scumbag coaches in CFB(at least who have been caught)

I don't disagree but you have to be open-minded to the other side of the coin as well.

"keeping things confidential"-- He didn't keep things confidential. He told Chris Cicero it would be confidential while forwarding behind Cicero's back to Ted Sarniak and denied their existence to the NCAA as well as the University.

"How he recruits"-- 400 or so self-reported recruiting violations during his tenure. Imagine how many weren't reported.

"What kind of person he is"-- He is the kind that will allow a person in the midst of a highly desparaging sexual assault controversy still sign with his program.

"What kind of methods he uses"-- Like allowing Maurice Clarrett on his sideline when he was on an Official visit to the University of Michigan.

Again, I think Tressel did alot of great things and think he's far from "the worst scumbag in CFB" but to glaze over the negative aspects while only recognizing the positive can be detrimental.

Yeah, he's definitely a politician. I think that he does a lot of good and means well, but only so far as it doesn't impact winning. We've got to remember that CFB is the almost the dirtiest sport on the planet.

I would like the media to start vilifying an SEC school now, please. First Pac10, now Big10.

I don't disagree but you have to be open-minded to the other side of the coin as well.

"keeping things confidential"-- He didn't keep things confidential. He told Chris Cicero it would be confidential while forwarding behind Cicero's back to Ted Sarniak and denied their existence to the NCAA as well as the University.

"How he recruits"-- 400 or so self-reported recruiting violations during his tenure. Imagine how many weren't reported.

"What kind of person he is"-- He is the kind that will allow a person in the midst of a highly desparaging sexual assault controversy still sign with his program.

"What kind of methods he uses"-- Like allowing Maurice Clarrett on his sideline when he was on an Official visit to the University of Michigan.

Again, I think Tressel did alot of great things and think he's far from "the worst scumbag in CFB" but to glaze over the negative aspects while only recognizing the positive can be detrimental.

i think we've had the violation discussion before in another thread. most of those violations that schools report are along the lines of sending recruits letters on too nice of a type of paper or coaches emailing kids on a day set aside for no emails or some other trifle bs like that. some schools don't even bother to turn those things in

clarett was on his official visit to Michigan, you think it shows poorly on tressel that the kid wanted to stay on ohio state's sidelines? i dont' see how that is an issue here. i don't think any of those issues are an indictment on tressel. the only issue here is the email/tattoo/memorabilia scandal.

and the "sexual assault controversy" thing was cleared up. the kid wasn't allowed to sign with the buckeyes initially b/c of allegations, but he has since been cleared and has penned his LOI.

also interesting that the SI article names Storm Klein in their report. A shame that the kid doesn't have any tattoos. They say John Simon hasn't gotten any tattoos since signing with Ohio State either. Lousy journalism at its best. In the good old days they had to have proof and legit sources.

also interesting that the SI article names Storm Klein in their report. A shame that the kid doesn't have any tattoos. They say John Simon hasn't gotten any tattoos since signing with Ohio State either. Lousy journalism at its best. In the good old days they had to have proof and legit sources.

Well, wouldn't say I am a "spiteful bag of herpes, but the reason I hate tOSU and Tressel so much is because for the past x amount of years tOSU fans have been sticking their nose up at every team saying how they are different than everyone. How they are clean and run their program the way it should be run. How they help turn boys into men and all this other bull ****. And now that it has been proven that tOSU is just as bad if not worse than any other program in the country it shows how ******* wrong those fans were. And now the fans who are even still defending Tressel are even more pathetic.

Well, wouldn't say I am a "spiteful bag of herpes, but the reason I hate tOSU and Tressel so much is because for the past x amount of years tOSU fans have been sticking their nose up at every team saying how they are different than everyone. How they are clean and run their program the way it should be run. How they help turn boys into men and all this other bull ****. And now that it has been proven that tOSU is just as bad if not worse than any other program in the country it shows how ******* wrong those fans were. And now the fans who are even still defending Tressel are even more pathetic.

Maybe the herpes pus was a bit over the top, apologies.

Still, you rant about OSU at every possible opportunity. It's a bit ridiculous. I don't even know Michigan fans that are that obsessed.

One of Tressel's duties then was to organize and run the Buckeyes' summer camp. Most of the young players who attended it would never play college football, but a few were top prospects whom Ohio State was recruiting. At the end of camp, attendees bought tickets to a raffle with prizes such as cleats and a jersey. According to his fellow assistant, Tressel rigged the raffle so that the elite prospects won -- a potential violation of NCAA rules. Says the former colleague, who asked not to be identified because he still has ties to the Ohio State community, "In the morning he would read the Bible with another coach. Then, in the afternoon, he would go out and cheat kids who had probably saved up money from mowing lawns to buy those raffle tickets. That's Jim Tressel."

Remember guys he did it all for the kids, he only cares about the kids.

"I don't do Pro Days, we send our scouts to those. I would rather spend my time watching film. The eye in the sky never lies. Functional Strength and athletic ability are the first things we look for in a college prospect." - Mark Dominik, Buccaneers GM

Not to be a homer about this or anything, but I think it is an utter shame that a man who has done so much for the university is being forced out over something as petty as this. The tattoo investigation may just be the tip of the iceberg, but as far as I am concerned there hasnt been much of any substance actually verified. Several accusations about the car dealership have proven to be flimsy, such as Thaddeus Gibson and Ray Small allegedly getting free cars which they are still paying for.

I think the answer to combat issues like this from coming up in the future is more reasonable and equitable regulation. College athletes are restricted in ways nobody else I can think of in their inability to profit of off their labor and celebrity and in what they are permitted to do with their own property. It is not only exploitative and unfair but almost completely unenforcible.

When violators of these silly rules are uncovered, as they were with the tattoo 5 and A.J. Green last season, it is almost entirely by chance. Trust me, I have been around loads of Division I athletes. I can just about guarantee you that there is no program in the country where kids arent selling their gidgets. Specifically with Division I football, kids playing in bowl game are given garbage bags full of IPods, Blackbeerys, Wii games, gift cards, etc. by corporate sponsors but are told they are not allowed to sell this swag in order to make rent or car payments. It makes no sense.

The NCAA has a vested interest in maintaing a system of indentured servitude where the actual athletes are not allowed to share in the pie they helped bake. I would hope incidents like this, the UNC scandals, the Reggie Bush thing, as well as the transgressions of A.J. Green and Dez Bryant, all victimless actions that are only wrong by the standards of the NCAA would call attention to just how ludicrous and immoral these rules are.

Unfortunately, the media and the fans always seem to be narrowly focused on whichever case is immediately at hand. We need to have broad discussions about broad reform NOW!

I wish they would keep investigating the Cam Newton pay for play. The NCAA did a real bang up job sweeping that under the rug.

Auburn is in the SEC, enough said. SEC teams arent allowed to get into trouble.

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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.

Auburn is in the SEC, enough said. SEC teams arent allowed to get into trouble.

They are but it usually equates to a slap on the wrist (losing 1-2 scholarships). I really wish something would have happened to Auburn. That whole Cam Newton just stunk as soon as word leaked out concerning the details surrounding him, Cecil Newton, and the Moo State/Auburn fiasco.