Rebelgirl

Ranger I have yet to read one intelligent post you have made. From what I have heard you dont offer much intelligence at your place of work either. As for you nadja your words are empty and fall upon deaf ears. I know how the system works, I dont like the way the system is and its my right to voice against it. When greed and ignorance stop rulling this country and its people and destroying the land maybe I will listen to you. If you are so well informed rather than make one stupid comment telling me my words are crap how about offering proof that we are wrong. You are an hunter I take it? Whatever you too can shoot an animal, good for you. Humans have no right to administer population control on anything but themselves and we are doing a pretty bad job of it. But who cares as long as you are happy and killers can continue to bring blood money into the state and county to futher the "conservation".

So yes lets just let everyone hunt and kill what they want when they want. Why bother having tags? I completely agree with cforevereyez, do us a favor if you hold yourself above everything else in the world and take your egotistical ignorant genes out of the pool. There is no sport is hunting, majority of out of state hunters are nothing more than boys with guns. Oh yeah for you! You killed something what do you want a reward? Not gonna happen. We do nothing more than kill because we think we are superior. We do not hunt to live, we hunt to kill because we can. You use the meat and display the head of the carcass on your wall to show how big and bad you are. You don't use the hide, nor the organs, nor the bones. Again yeah for you! You wont impress me for killing something for no other reason than you can. And what land are we adding to the ecosystem. The last time I checked we continue to lose it. We are not taking away land from humans we are giving it to them. Without hunters nature will take care of it self. There is no reason humans need to step in. The lotto donates much of their money, parks and rec, and volunteers are what ensures the survival of the wilderness, not hunters. Hunters do just as much to destroy the land as their money goes into saving it. The trash they leave behind, The roads and land they tear up to get to their kill. Yep but we need them. Get a life humans dont need meat to live, we choose to eat it because it is the easy choice. We don't need to kiil another living thing to sustaine us, but we can because how dare we let another living creature go on living their life due to our superior life needs. Humans=destruction. Humans=death. Humans=stupidity as a whole. But you know what dont listen to those of us who are actually trying to save the beauty, the plants and animals. Leave your spawn with nothing but stories and pictures. Congrats

The truth of the matter is times are different now than they were 30 or 40 years ago. Yes accidents happen. The population also wasn't as big in the past as it is now. With increased population brings increased suicides, and accidents. Like many others have stated you will not stop someone from taking their own life nor will you stop them from doing risky things such as climbing the face of the rocks. How is this different than people floating the river, it can be just as dangerous as much of these people are also drinking as they float. We are lucky enough not to have more accidents in the river. People will do what they want when they want reguardless of what you put in front of them. Build the fence they will scale it or tear it down with the intent of hurting them self or just because they can due to no respect for boundries. Signs will do little to nothing other than offer a place to display graffiti. How can the city be accoutable? Do people sue the Federal Government when their loved one takes their life by jumping off a cliff? Its no ones responsiblity to ensure the safety of every single citizen, it can not be done. Common sense is a fleeting thing and you can only hold someones hand or treat them like kids for so long. Accidents happen, and people take their own life. Honor those who have lost their life(s) and use this as a time to reteach the importance of what life you have.

So what happens when like all other species that are allowed to be hunted are poached. Which I know happens reguardless of species. Just becuase you allow people to hunt them does not mean they will do it legally, it just means that people will see that it is ok to kill them whether or not they have a tag. What do you suggest for those who illegally kill. The "punishments" that are in place now are far from where they should be.
I agree that more needs to be done to conserve land. So turn down the oil companies, minning companies and rich ** that have nothing better to do than take up and sometimes destroy the land. Deny anyone that wants to build a house that is part of natural habitat such as forests. Why should we force ourselves into land that has long before belonged to another living creature. What happens when the land is no longer available to the birds? They will again start to decline in numbers. Yes there has been some done but the birds are not the only ones that are loosing out on their habitat. I also agree that hunting does bring in money to the state and that the tags provide money for the habitat. What I cannot stand is when people have no respect for the habitat or animal. By killing the strong memebers of the species you set them up for failing in the future to thrive. True you may not want the sick or weak but if that is all that is left then what does the future hold for these animals. I do not believe in hunting for sport. I know many people that hunt for food and that is all they hunt for. How much food can you get from one sandhill crane? One meal, maybe two?
I am sorry but I will not change my mind on this issue and there is nothing you will be able to say to make me see differently. I also agree with 3canines. The Wildlife management has much to be desired.

My question is, what benefit is there to killing this bird. Other than it allows man to kill another living creature? Dont tell me population control as that is the biggest load of bull dung you can try using as your defense. Nature controls its own (well except in the case of man). The only reason it becomes a concern to man is when the animals are in an area that we want to control. Man has destroyed and continues to destroy the natural habitat of many species. Why other than greed is this done? Why dose man feel its their job to control everything when they have no business doing so? I am sorry but wil not ever get my support in the killing of an animal that can not fight for itself.

Dave that is what we are trying to do is show peope what is going on. You dont have to be a tree hugger or PETA member to stand up for abuse. What you can do is spread the word in support of NOT supporting this type of circus. I remember there being circuses that dont use animals as entertainment. Elephants do not perform in the wild as they do for entertainment. There is the Big Apple Circus that tours in the eastern states of the US that does not use elephants for their shows. Its human entertainment with highwire acts, clowns, jugglers, they do have acts with horses but they are well taken care of with vets on staff. If they are concerned then the animal is pulled and rested until healthy, plus these horses have riders that have worked and rode with them for years. Just spread the word, if people dont support these abusers they can not go on. Another thing look at their schedule, how is it ok to unload an animal for 3 or 4 hours force the animal to perform, keep them chained up, then shove them back into the trailer for a trip sometimes lasting 6 to 7 hours just to do it all again? Do they stop every 2 hours or so to let the animals out in hot weather to keep the animals comfortable? Highly doubtful. I say yes picket and protest the circus, show the company it is not ok to do this, or go look into the elephants eyes and tell me they are happy. If you say yes you are a cold heartless person.

Thank you 3canines for posting something against the circus. The treatment of the elephants is horrible and for a orginatization that does such great things the Lions Club should be ashamed. No animal should be the subject of human entertainment. There are many other sites that show the inhuman treatment of elephants that people should see, http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-in-entertainment/circuses.aspx, http://digitaljournal.com/article/305092. Ringling Bros just had a large (not large enough if you ask me) for the treatment of the elephants. You can find video of the treatment online here http://www.ringlingbeatsanimals.com/. I for one would love to protest the circus coming into town. Or even better chain, shock and strike the trainers of the animals the same way in which they do the elephants. To treat such amazing animals the way they do is sickening. They break their spirits destroying the animal they should be. Ripping baby elephants away from their parents to "train" aka chain, torture and abuse them into "performing" animals.

I agree some flowers would be nice, considering all you have to look at is a few scrawny trees, weeds, sagebrush and dirt. The old hosptial had a nice garden that was great to sit in. I am just not sure where they could put it. The layout of the hospital isnt the greatest. They should have reversed everything and had the pt on the southside so patients could look out and see more than the ambulance garage, or houses/parking lot.

Cologirl its people like you that make me want to eat that bullet. Yes I would rather plant a tree. Its people like you that have no respect for a living creature that make me sick. Yes you almighty human. You rule all, everything must bow to you because you are the most important thing in the world. Good for you. And yes dear that is more than my opinion that is how I feel about humans vs animals, I have more respect for a dead bear than you.

Really cologrl? Checkmate? Whatever if all you can do is read the board and rip on someone for spelling and not acctually post something of context then why bother? Atleast I shared my opinion on the story. I will call man ignorant as long as they continue to kill for no purpose.

And yes nature was here long before man but if man destorys vital parts of the eco system such as they are doing to the oceans, they cannot be corrected. I just dont understand why humans run on greed, stupidity and ignorance. What right do we have to kill another living thing just because it is doing what comes natural. If we enter into its natural domain and are killed then it must be killed? Yes lets continue to destroy animals, and barge our way into their home.