The replies on my last comment about casting one's own bullets indicate either "not enough time" or "lack of lead at reasonable price" as the main reason for buying the product.

Next comment to hopefully elicit numerous responses---

One has to be extremely intelligent to be able to reload .45 ammunition that will NOT shoot X ring at 25 yards!!!!!!!! Following three tests are an example.#1--- Loaded 185 gr. H & G #130 with 3 gr. of bullseye. (Occasional jams!) Group size --1 inch at 25 yards- 10 shots#2--- Loaded once fired, jacketed bullets (picked up at Perry in grass) 3 grains of Bullseye--25 yards-10 shots in 2 inches---9 shots in 1 1/4 inches#3--- Loaded 5 different manufacturers cases with 200 gr. H & G # 68 bullet and 4 grains of Bullseye. All cases split 1/2 to 3/4 of length. 50 yard group - 2 1/2 inches. 25 yard group- 1 inch. Hopefully a suggestion or two that I might try in my spare time!! (Load bullet in case backwards???) John

Yeah, try MIXING the split cases with undamaged ones. I predict vertical spread out the wazoo.

For anyone who has never been to Perry (or heard such reports as this--I went in HP Rifle many moons ago, which takes place after Pistol), the pistol firing long lines are back where the 600- or 1000-yard lines are for rifle. As I understand it, the short line is just 25 yards forward from there. So you have quite a bit of distance for those pistol bullets to fly past the targets, slow down, and fall to the grass. I seem to remember finding more between the rifle 300 and 600-yard lines on the ranges I shot on, which were 1000-yard compatible.

It was actually quite rare to find a hardball bullet that showed any "damage" or deformity beyond the rifling marks.

I am thrilled that there is about 3500 miles between you and I.If I had some one shooting next to me at a match with such poor ammo you can bet that one of us would be moving to another firing point. If not I would leave the match.

" I am thrilled that there is about 3500 miles between you and I.If I had some one shooting next to me at a match with such poor ammo you can bet that one of us would be moving to another firing point. If not I would leave the match."

Dave C.

Not to worry Dave. The tests with the once fired bulets and the test with the split cases was done on a machine rest with no one around except me. Personally I do not see any danger with loading these rounds. As to the first test with 3 grains of Bullseye I did use this load on the line BUT with a few jams because the load was so light. I increased the powder to 3.2 grains. All matches fired at the time were "no alibi". This load worked well IF I kept a stiff arm and solid wrist.

Still waiting for a load suggestion that will not shoot X ring at 25 yards!!!!!!!!!!!!!! John

It would take something majorly wrong with the barrel or crown for real bad shooting at 25yds. I loaded some reject 185gr lead from a commercial caster (W.Meyers, John)The base circumferences were incomplete filled on most of them. I kind of expected to shoot knuckle balls. But offhand at 25 they would clean the TF target.