LANSING, Mich. (AP) — Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder has signed right-to-work legislation, dealing a devastating and once-unthinkable defeat to organized labor in a state that has been a cradle of the movement for generations.

He put his signatures on the bills Tuesday, hours after the state House passed the measures as the chants of thousands of angry pro-union protesters filled the Capitol.

Snyder says a failed ballot proposal to enshrine collective bargaining rights in the constitution triggered the discussion that led to the passage and signing of right-to-work.

During a news conference, he called the protests "an exercise in democracy."

Jim Hoffa, of the International brotherhood of Teamsters explains his perspective:

Jimmy Hoffa, president of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters, said Tuesday he expects Michigan unions and lawmakers to break out into "civil war" after the state legislature passed right-to-work bills that would weaken unions' power.

"This is just the first round of a battle that's going to divide this state. We're going to have a civil war," Hoffa said on CNN's "Newsroom."

The Republican-controlled state House passed two bills that had already been approved by the GOP-dominated state Senate. Gov. Rick Snyder, also a Republican, is poised to sign the bill, which would allow workers at union-represented employers to forgo paying dues.

As thousands of protestors gathered at the state capitol on Tuesday, Hoffa called the legislation a "tremendous mistake" and "a monumental decision to make" by outgoing lawmakers in a lame duck session.

"What they're doing is basically betraying democracy," he told CNN's Brooke Baldwin. "If there's any question here, let's put it on the ballot and let the people of Michigan decide what's good for Michigan."

Proponents of the legislation say it gives workers more freedom, while opponents say a less robust union presence will negatively affect workers’ rights. Hoffa also argued that those who don't pay union dues will be considered "free riders,” as they’re getting the same benefits from union representation without the cost.

Hoffa pointed to Michigan's recovering auto industry, saying the Wolverine State has bounced back from the recession without being a "right to work" state.

Union fighting a civil war? LOL. Can just see it now, "OK guys, we're going to fight a war. Now don't fight too hard, or get up too early. And also, staging a protest in January or Feb is just too cold, so go watch NFL at home....."

For the most part unions don't want merit based membership any more than they want merit based employment and salaries. Thuggery, intimidation and loud mouthed drown outs have become the union way. Pendulum has swung from one end of the spectrum--that of needing to protect workers from insane conditions--to the other, namely, the need to protect employers (and especially taxpayers!!) from insane demands and payouts.

Stupid union fucks. The worst part is, the general membership has no idea how badly they're getting played. Suckers. The politician in the video had it right - if these thug unions have a value proposition, they'll have no problem getting dues. If not, they'll have to evolve. That's what they're so afraid of. Free markets and free association are kryptonite to unions.

I hope our new feudal lords are aware that the peasantry traditionally doesn't do jack from December through February, and that Christmas is a weeks-long drunken celebration were the peasants get to demand liquor and other treats from the rich people.

I own a medium size business. I am working tonight after putting 10 hours in already (took a Zero Hedge break). A one day weekend is the norm. 52 to 60 hours a week is the norm. Some ass hat moron holding a wrench in one hand and his dick in the other who puts in 40 hours a week less breaks, lunches etc earns more than I do in salary. The unions can go fuck themselves - they may have served a purpose 100 years ago but their time has passed. If they want to exist they should have to compete for peoples business just like anyone else. If my staff tried to unionize I'd pull the plug on their asses so fast it would make their head spin. I'd liquidate my inventory and retire to some quiet South American kleptocracy. At least the theives there are honest about it.... Jimmy Hoffa and his friends can blow me.

The issue isn't about fair wages or even the unions existance. I have no issues with the existance of unions. What I have issues with is the idea that people have no CHOICE as to whether or not they want to belong to them. We are supposed to have a little something called "Freedom of Association". Unions are legitimate only in so far as they do not force others to join them simply because they are associated by employment.

My experience (having been both and employee and an employer) is that unions do not necessarily garauntee better working conditions (depends of course on how you define "conditions" - read on). Many - the Teamsters esspecially - are self serving parasites - whom - if given a choice - would beat anyone who disagrees with them on any issue into a bloody pulp. They are self serving political entities. They are no better than the banking parasites that are sucking our country dry. Some one made a very intellgient post elsewhere here about "value added". I couldn't agree more. There are businesses that are parasitic too. Most of them are chrony businesses - most of the military industrial complex, banks etc fit into this class. So do the big automakers.

They suck money from the public trough like dirty whores and create nothing but msiery and suffering on a gargantuan scale. In the mean time the productive people in the world are stuck trying to pick up the pieces - we struggle to create value - to use capital to make people's lives better.

I employ about 10 people. The average wage in my facility is almost twice the minimum wage - I offer a health insurance/benefits program and vacation time for anyone who sticks around longer than two months. Most of my staff are long term and have been with me since the beginning. I think of them as family - I bonus them when there are profits and give them more flexibility in scheduling than they require. They know that no matter what happens to them in terms of their health and personal lives that I have their back. I car about them. Oddly enough - they seem to care about me too. They see when I am stressed - they insist I take breaks and do things like eat my lunch. They create value for me and I create value for them. The relationship is symbiotic.

As for getting a union job - my problem - is a conscience. I tried it once (twice actually) and it didn't sit well with me. I cannot take orders from anyone I perceive as being dumber than me (a problem in most unions) and I cannot tolerate sloth, corruption or other general types of craziness (also a problem in both union jobs). Both times I worked in a union environment (when I was much younger) I noticed that most people did not get ahead on merrit but rather on backstabbing and politiking. I have a productive and creative brain. It couldn't handle the diseased environment so I quit and went into business.

And while I have been on this path for some time and still am earning less than most union employees I wouldn't go back for all the rice in China. Life is to short to be miserable. And until unions learn what the concept of freedom of association is all about I will continue to call them what they are "Corrupt Self Serving Parasitic Entities."

Super post Jreb. I could not agree with you more. I have dealt with 'Unions' for 20 years and the so called leadership are the abosolute worse lying scum I have ever dealt with. Ironically, getting resolution with the actual workforce is achievable when all the facts are on the table. The 'so called' professional unionist will sell their membership down the river for politcal reasons, idology, politics, self promotion and most importantly to keep coverage (membership) and therefore their income. All the union leaders up the food chain where concerned about was to position themselves for political office and access to the government (salaries, expenses, housing, contacts and mega-pension). The ultimate prize though is an appointment to the UN International Labour Organisation with a tax free salary, plus expenses and hookers in Switzeland (HQ) or some other location like NY. The irony of this astounds me from such dedicated 'socialist'. At home they lobby and promote legislation to extract taxes, impose useless rules and regulations and then take a 'gig' for a well paid, tax free job at the UN. The ILO is the ultimate, worthless gravy train I have ever seen even more so than the Climate Change crew.

Another interesting tale is that over a beer the rank and file union organisers will confess that they are treated internally like shit. However, they pay their dues, take the shit dished out to them and, if they survive, hope to make it up the food chain and an apoortunity to get some of the real gravy. Few make it, and those that stay, are really fucking dumb and lazy. Still it pays better than flipping fries at McD's which would be beyond their capability.

If that were the case, I would be entirely in agreement with you. It's a valid point on the voluntary status. But this is not the debate. There is a full court press on to eviscerate the unions. If you don't believe me watch Fox news coverage of this issue ot bounce around the dumber corners of the web. Hard core assault and I believe it is pure class warfare to get the working class to eat each other. Nobody gives a fuck about Detroit who doesn;'t live in Detroit. You have all the attention turned there and everyonetaking sides, like it is going to affect their lives in the slightest inn California if Detroit gets nuked tomorrow. It's all a distraction so the sheep will keep paying their mortgages to the asshole bankers and scream and yell that the guy turning a wrench should only be making 8 bucks an hour because they are.

You describe union work well. I have worked non-union and had the same experience. It's called a shitty job.

"I tried it once (twice actually) and it didn't sit well with me. I cannot take orders from anyone I perceive as being dumber than me (a problem in most unions) and I cannot tolerate sloth, corruption or other general types of craziness (also a problem in both union jobs). Both times I worked in a union environment (when I was much younger) I noticed that most people did not get ahead on merrit but rather on backstabbing and politiking. I have a productive and creative brain. It couldn't handle the diseased environment so I quit and went into business."

No difference really at a non-union job, sorry. Different assholes, different neoptism, different corruption, different backstabbing. Less pay and fewer benefits. Some of us just have to be our own boss, and that is the point. You wouldn't do these people's job for the money they make. They ARE doing these jobs for the money they make. They suck at life, most of them. So what. You can't kill them, and they can produce something. What they also suck at is negotiating their worth. Most people do. They need someone to do that, or else the worst negotiators end up with the jobs (working the cheapest for their output). It's judgmental, petty jealous class envy bullshit that says average people shouldn't be able to have agents. Yeah it has problems, no shit. You ignore a huge piece of American history to give credence to the notion we don't need them though. Look at the world outside our borders.... the idea that yankees are just virtuous lucky super-skilled or whatever total fucking delusions held that make one think the middle class just spawned from nowhere and these other shithole countries we share borders with weren't so licky, it's wrong. Kill labor and we will be back in the 19th century fast as JP Morgan can get the 12 year olds back on the chain gang.

The downsizing of unions you are currently seeing (and by the way- I agree they are being dismantled) is a symptom of a greater disease. It is a symptom of our societies inability tol ive within it's means. The unions are being busted because the money they were promised never really existed. The good times are over. Giovernments and big corporations are teetering on the edge of bankruptcy - most are technically insolvent.

Over the past 30 or 40 years we in the workforce and in management have all been guilty of turning a blind eye to and believing in the big lie. We will all suffer the consequences in our own way. For workers -they will see reduced benefits, wages and job loss. For owners - we will experience a lack of profit and bankruptcy.

I have structured my company as best I can to weather the storm - to provide employment without layoffs and keep benefits in tact. I have begged my staff to live within their means and stay out of debt. I can only hope that whatever comes next does not sink me. I've done what I can.

The sooner we all realize a few things the better:

Keeping up with the Jones is not important - live within your means

Honor your contracts and don't offer more than can actually be provided - be honest

Capital and labor are both owners - of their time. They should respect each other

What I have issues with is the idea that people have no CHOICE as to whether or not they want to belong to them. We are supposed to have a little something called "Freedom of Association". Unions are legitimate only in so far as they do not force others to join them simply because they are associated by employment

When a "workforce" becomes "unionized" it is because the majority of that workforce VOTED to unionize (at that time). If you don't want to join a unionized workforce you are quite free to work a plethora of non-union (low paying/no benefits/dangerous - unhealthy working conditions, etc) jobs (ie. THE FUTURE). To expect the PROTECTION FROM YOUR EMPLOYERS BULLSHIT the union provides without the responsibilities (membership, voting/attendance at union meetings) is childish/selffish.

Are (some) unions corrupt? Of course, power corrupts (see the part above about union meeting attendance - most employees don't, makes it easier for corruption to "set in")! However, to destroy the workers ability to unionize, is to help the very oligarchs that are destroying EVERYONES standard of living.

No one is destroying the workers right to unionize you jackass! The fact that you and your union masters keep repeating this lie just goes to show how bankrupt and antiquated your ideas truly are. Lemme guess, your pro choice for abortion, pro choice for gay marriage but anti choice when it comes to joining a union? Right? It pisses you clowns off that many people just don't believe what you do. You union fucks would make great taliban mohammadans. Forcing people to join a club that is completely out of sync with ones beliefs and forcing them to pay dues is just wrong.

Sorry, not a union member (self-employed), though I've worked in both enviroments (preferred the unionized (IT) shop but it was the minority of my work experience). As the union existed prior to my employment in that one instance, I had "no choice".

McWorkers MUST wear a uniform - no choice. So you'd be ok with employers FORCING RULES right?

No one is destroying the workers right to unionize you jackass!

Really? Which employer, pray tell, will hire unionized labour over non(ie cheap/unprotected)-unionized workers given the choice? Your local oligarch won't - race to the bottom of working conditions has commenced.

Democracy is nothing more than a tool for decision making within a given politcal framework. When democracy destroys or trumps the right of individual men and women to choose their own path it is nothing more than tyranny. Hitler had a majority too. Everything he did was "legal" and approved "democratically". If this the logic by which you live you are no better. 50 +1 does not = right.

If you reread my post my post you will see I do not have a problem with the existance of unions.... only with the manner in which they operate.

I see we have some Union Sympathizers on this site - claiming that (om my god) we would have no weekends without them, and the workers would all just be slaves locked in sweatshop rooms...HAHA - LABOR Laws have TAKEN CARE OF THAT you friggin fools!

I own a biz too and if they had to unionize and pay the Union wages and fees and pensions and pay for their tampons and fucking whatever else let me tell you what would happen - I wouldnt even need to pull the plug, MY CUSTOMERS would tell ME to go Fuck myself and would BUY FROM Someone else....Oh wait -

Thats whats already happened to HALF of my existing vendors out in California!!!

Unions had their day...For the MINES and the Steel Refineries and the Heavt Rail and Waterway Construction Back in the Day WHEN NO LABOR LAWS EXISTED and companies EXPLOITED people like slaves.

Cant do it anymore, which is good.

Now You Union Fuck-Thugs, claiming Blood...Bring that shit. Really..I have a LOT of Non-Union Folk more than willing to throw down if it comes to that...Yeah some of you Teamsters are some Big Mfokers, but I can assure you, there are a LOT MORE Big MFokin Non-Union Beasts willing to rise to the challenge...your teachers and restaraunt workers wont stand a chance, punk ass sissies!

"For the most part unions don't want merit based membership any more than they want merit based employment and salaries."

I've mentioned this before and will again. I'm a Union Industrial Painter. I typically work on hard and dangerous projects. Bridges, Overpasses, Water Towers, storage tanks, locks & damns, refineries, power plants/stacks etc.

I work primarily for a company based out of St.Louis, MO. I and the majority of the men I work with are go getters. If not they quickly make their way to top of the lay off / don't call back list. We work hard and often in dangerous situations. I've skipped many breaks and will skip many more. In comparison with Unions in general Craft Unions there are striking differences. No doubt places like NYC, CHI Detroit, Boston, etc. do a fine job of making Craft Unionism look bad.

No doubt my union culture is quite different from that which prevails in most areas. Sadly within the scope of IUPAT(painters union) the type of culture I'm a part of falls in the minority. It pretty much comes down what part of the Country. Modest Midwest here ;)

I won't junk a man for talking sense. I was a teamster for about a year. Not by any choice other than accepting employment at a particular company. I had a less than wonderful experience with the union, which I detailed in another thread (thuggish behavior). It seemingly got deleted, but I did drop an F-bomb. Something I see here regularly. Perhaps that has become taboo.

Unions have simply consumed too much from the host. The host is not capital. The host is the economy. (even a micro-economy within a sector) Capital is just as parasitic as labor when it can pull it off. Adding value is what creates wealth. Capital adds value, labor adds value... just don't extract more value than you add... everything works better.

If you speak truthfully, and I believe you do, your union (or at least that portion which you participate) is adding value. Well done.

Thinking back, I menetioned the company, the specific union, and my version of the events which transpired. Maybe there were concerns of libel? I see some pretty inflamatory stuff here... My post seemed mild.

You just pointed out the problem with unions like uaw or public sector unions. "I and the majority of the men I work with are go getters. If not they quickly make their way to top of the lay off / don't call back list." I work in the motion picture industry and have a union job. Difference is my union doesn't gaurantee me a job. It negotiates my wage and benefits. That's it. When you take away the employers RIGHT to hire and fire as they please, that is when you run into major problems.

Drawing from my own experience and that of which has been shared with me by others who have worked both there is no significant difference. There are safety orienated as well as those who are not so much within union and non union alike.

I can't speak from personal experience having never worked Industrial Painting for a non union contractor. Going from guys I know who have there is both good and bad as to be expected. The Greeks for instance tend to pay prevailing wage all on your paycheck without the benefits. That can be more of a benefit when it comes to health insurance as well as preparing yourself for the future. More money up front that one might invest in something such as gold ;). Considering there can be a significant slowdown evry winter minus any traveling work(which I do a lot of) it is a con being union. You lose your insurance for having lack of hours or pay an arm and a leg via COBRA.

I am certainly not against a man who decides to do either. I am open to such a move myself if the right circumstances arose.

It's about an hour's pay a month or a little more for the IBEW (International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers). I used to be a member in Texas, a right to work state. We had a no strike clause in our contract so we couldn't be foolish and try to destroy the company. Only about half of us were members but the Union did get us better benefits and slightly better wages than we would have had otherwise. The Union negotiated for pay and benefits for members and non members. Both sides liked it that way. I think Hoffa is wrong and only wants more money for himself.

There's the rub, you work for a private company. If the employees demand too much from the company (assuming no posible bailouts), the company fails. Some folks realize that, and as we've seen lately with Hostess, some people don't. Not to say the corrupt, incompetent management didn't have a big hand in the company's failure.

It appears the culture of the public unions is to suck the host dry and demand tax increases until the system breaks, like in Vallejo, CA. The police union voted against paycuts, forcing the city to lay off cops with less time in service, instead of taking pay cuts to save jobs. Pure selfishness. Basically, the taxpayers get screwed twice (once by high salaries and another by high crime after bankruptcy). This whole debate focuses on the ability for the govt-public union symbiosis to ruin taxpayer finances. Unionized private workers have a vested interest in not going too far (generally speaking).

Edit: My belief is that the free market will take care of worker's rights now that state and federal laws include so many protections for employees...IF we had a free market. Howard Schultz knew that the best way to keep employees happy and non-union was to offer very basic health benefits (interesting that he's no longer an Obama fan). Walmart will always be fighting because of their "more bodies" approach. I no longer go anywhere near Walmart, after encountering a worker who couldn't speak English, here in the US. Toyota and Honda are examples of corporations that know how to keep their employees happy and non-union. Look at the (relative) success Starbucks, Honda and Toyota have enjoyed without union shops. Edit: Correction, Starbucks is semi-union, but loud noises are nearly non-existent.

I'm from the St. Louis area as well, and what you say matches up with my experience as well. My father-in-law was a union carpenter and I know he's a very hard and competent worker. They got their money's worth when he or his brother were on the job.

His son tells me, however, that when he's contracting jobs in New York, they have to add another 30% or so to the bids because of all the union shenanigans and in-fighting. One union will put in a lot of work and another will tear it all out some evening to prove a point. They just consider it a cost of doing business in New York. Chicago is another crooked area that cost a lot more to get anything done.

They want to fight a war against the government and taxpayers, but they want the government to collect their membership dues by law and deduct it directly from paychecks. They know 75% of their brothers wouldn't pay their dues in an honor system format.

too bad capitalism is basically purely academic... it doesn't exist. this is all about divide and conquer. The wealth of the United States was stolen... now they crash and burn the country to hide their tracks. let the little people fight over scraps and leftovers while the bankers and the big corps feast.....

GOVERNMENT Unions...yes. PRIVATE Unions...I would argue no. The interest of say "an electricians union" is to have good electricians...yes? Where else would their dues come from? On the other taxing the shit out Unionized electricians so that they can pay for...million dollar salaries for say...the now suicides Dean of St Johns University who was cavorting with gangsters and the like...I agree there might be some room for "something other than total war" type debate here.

Even FDR knew that public sector unions should not exist. They are anathema to fair negotiations. Politicians and union bosses determine the pay and benefits while the taxpayers who pay the bill are not at the negotiating table. Politicians give unions sweet deals and unions give politicians votes; an incestuous crooked partnership.

Private sector unions have priced themselves right out of their jobs and companies move oversees. It's too bad we can't outsource all of the bloated and ineffective public sector workers.

the dirty little secret let out of the bag by these "brave" politicians who stood up to the union is ; they DO know how to end corruption and other ills caused by unlimited funds.......so now we are completly aware, that they are completly aware of how to end the corruption in that nasty leaking asshole better known as washington dc....

Any cross section of the American public is morbidly obese; it's not strictly relegated to union members. ;) You should see the tubbos in my area. It's ridiculous...I see SUVs parked at the curb of the grocery store to let some 500 pound fat sack out right at the door so they don't have to walk that whole 40 feet across the parking lot.

We all like freedom here right? If they want to have a beer on their Unpaid lunch who the F are you to squawk 'bout it? Do your stupid lard ass middle managers have some drinks at the golf course? Fuck You Moron!!

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(1)to incite a riot; or (2)to organize, promote, encourage, participate in, or carry on a riot; or (3)to commit any act of violence in furtherance of a riot; or (4)to aid or abet any person in inciting or participating in or carrying on a riot or committing any act of violence in furtherance of a riot;
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The police have been tolerating union violence for as long as there have been unions. Many of those famous episodes of union-related riots in the 19th century pitted unions against private security firms, not police. Why? Because usually the owners couldn't get the local police to do anything about the workers, either because the police were too afraid or because they were sympathetic.

And I am not allowed to load my own bullets, the guy from the AMOUW must do it for me, but not till after the 10:00 AM coffee break, oh and the guy that pulls the trigger is on vaca this week, at least the new guy who aims the gun is here, but he doesnt have enough hours in to be qualified yet in a true battle, so he is on the bench over there reading up more on proper techniq.

Fair enough, then I am sure on many things we would agree on. I'm of view that organised labour, in this context, is also part of the problem. If, as you say, you have been a member since ZH's early days and intend to stay you will have read enough to be aware of all the issues so I apologize for ranting on the basis of one post. I'll also be staying as long as this site is allowed to 'exist'.... it is the most single most useful source of information around and the posts are an added bonus, a great source of further information, debate, sarcasm and even entertainment. Where though is Professor Hammy!

Good luck to ya, we are all gonna need it, wherever you are in the world.

You can no longer obey the laws of the United States Government and the God of the Bible. ObamaCare forces you to pay for abortion, murder. If you believe in the Bible, you cannot pay taxes, period. Yeah, the liberals love to quote, "Give to Caesar..." but you do not owe your soul to Caesar, you owe it to God. Daniel refused even when threatened to be thrown in to the lion's den, and into the fire. The US Government will throw you in prison or kill you.

What is also sick is these scum stole the election for obama in the swing states. I know red team blue team and I think the whole thing was a scam and Romney was there to take a dive.

Still WS and MI did not go for the dear Mullah. The good news is the peopel of WS and MI are standing up to these organized criminals. Their ilk destroyed Detroit and other Midwest cities. Gary, IN plus others.

Union fighting a civil war? LOL. Can just see it now, "OK guys, we're going to fight a war. Now don't fight too hard, or get up too early. And also, staging a protest in January or Feb is just too cold, so go watch NFL....."

You miss the humor in the previous post and the one word reply from you just makes his point even more humorous. You can't even make a coherent rebuttal. That would take too much thought and effort. You are most likely one of the guys in your union crew that we, the public, see standing around while others work. You can't muster a thoughtful rebuttal but you are somehow going to muster up a civil war?

I knew his dad, and never knew a more stand-up guy. If he is half the man his father was there will be a war, except for the fact that real people will come to Hoffa's side.

Jimmy Sr. was murdered because he was a stand-up leader and people would follow him anywhere. He was not murdered for any other reason than the threat that he and his union posed to the powerful fascistic forces---what you refer to as 'tptb'. All of this is a part of my personal history so naturally I become a little defensive in reading an ignorant opinion regarding the type of amerikan who no longer exists---except, HOPEFULLY, his son.

Respectfully om

BTW --- several years ago I heard a story from an ex-fed prison dude that Jimmy Hoffa was given a new identity and was being moved through the fed system, a few nights here--a few nights there until ready to relocate. I could never believe this, but hope that it is true----a lot of working people never had the opportunity to thank Jimmy Hoffa.

Sorry old man but your time has come and gone. You need to rethink who you pay allegiance and loyalty to. JH Sr was a corrupt thug who only cared about money by shaking down business and his "brothers". He was murdered, dismembered and fed to pigs, a practice that is used far too sparingly to deal with his ilk if you ask me.

Did you see the Union "THUGS" in the video - what a bunch of lard asses. They are no threat whatsoever, blowhard crybabies all.

Just give me an Aluminum baseball BAT and the problem will be solved.

You want a war Mr. Hoffa - bring it.

Check the our taking swings at Steven Crowder. Mr. Crowder does a wicked female impersonation and is Canadian. I don't think he is really a scrapper since he swung at the guy at least five times and did not land a punch - like a girl.

The quarterly statements of the very profitable trade of small arms and munitions manufacturing would like you to review that statement. The largest adopters of small arms with the last four years have been anyone with a bit of common sense that at least having the training to hit the side of a barn and having something on hand to provide a modicum of resistance is needed.

Right now nobody is sure what to think anymore. Union or not, the 100% failure rate is guarenteed for both the owners and the employees.

They are all getting paid in US dollars. The best looking horse in the glue factory. So whether anyone wants to be distracted from the real news of greenbacks flowing back into the US faster than ever before, hey...who cares.

Both parties have proven themselves to be dirt bags that mishandle or misspend everyone's resources, let them tear each other apart. We'll sell tickets and make bets. Screw'em, they are part of the side show circus now for the five minutes that people will care.

The dance is mind numbingly predictable. You get a bunch of people like that running a temper, half the people interviewed for left and right broadcasts sound like they want to pick a fight. It's a recipe for stupid.

Cameras everywhere

A Hoffa playing a fiddle

Factory owners playing a fiddle.

Guys with signs that look like they are for the most part part of an Italian gentleman's club.

Every single union member in the Great State of Michigan whether auto or any other, makes an annual pilgrimage to hunt at some point during the year.And they don't do so with spears, rocks and sling shots.They're big time charley gun hunting people.And don't start on about the city workers, for in the cities of MI, the Big Urban Cities, everybody owns a handgun for self defence.