1st Ifrit fight... no problem beat it... too bad i didn't have a lamp. Ok no biggy lets go do it again... 8 hrs of broken mechanics and idiots chain leaving the party like lemmings off a MOTHER $&^%$KING CLIFF!!!! OMG!!!! Not to mention the billion runs back to ULD because i was stupid enough to lead the sacks of unindependent thinking fat kids who cant read a log .... RAAAGEEE!

PEOPLE! [STOP]!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CHAIN LEAVING WHEN YOU SEE LIGHT PARTY!!! Read the MOTHER%(*&%KING CHAT!!!!!! half the time it's somone relogging and as soon as somone sees light party EVERYONE BOUNCES! WTF!!!!????

Seriously though, I've only seen this happening in really crappy EXP parties where the first guy "has to go eat dinner" after the first pull and the rest of the party suddenly announces "great pt guys, but my cat needs ironing and I think my socks are hungry".

Best cure: Stop forming PUG's, go with 80% friends who actually know what they are doing and doesn't blame every eruption to the face on "latency" or "SE SUCKS".

Light party is a party consisting of less than 8 players (which is what you need for endgame content).

Chain leaving is when people start spazzing out because someone left and proceeds to jump off a cliff and disband the party simultaneously since it's obviously too much work to find that magical 8th party member.

Had that problem with a dark hold run a while back, and we just ran with 7. Made it to Batraal without any issue. Unfortunately, (and I fully take the blame for this) tanking failed on batraal, and we wiped with him at less then 10%.

It will be interesting to see how fights go when they allow 4 people into the Ifrit and moogle fights. I imagine they will still need 6+ people until they raise the level cap, but I can see a party of 6 taking ifrit at least...

People are too quick to jump ship some times. Though my favorite is when you have a series of bad runs, and a person who has been angsty the whole time leaves the party, and you end up replacing them, and the 2-3 other people that ran, and then get run after run of success.

Typically, I have found that the people who do leave en-mass tend to be the people you kinda want to leave the party anyways...

People should plan accordingly, if you want to do end-game, wait for end-game, or start one. If you plan on playing in a group play in a group. If you got to go, you got to go but did someone drop the courtesy of finding a replacement or something?

Did I miss a new rule in the MMORPG Handbook that says "Treat all players as NPCs, they don't care what you do because they aren't real anyway."

I assume people chain leave not necessarily because they think one person leaving is a bad sign, but because they want to leave themselves but were hesitant until someone go the ball rolling (and by joining the masses fleeing the party they remain less conspicuous).

I know I've joined groups in MMOs before that, for whatever reason, I've come to regret, but I'll generally stick it out until the first sign of "Oh look at the time." Then it's easy to chime in with "Yeah, I gotta be hitting that dusty trail."

Did I miss a new rule in the MMORPG Handbook that says "Treat all players as NPCs, they don't care what you do because they aren't real anyway."

Yes you did.. As i said earlier social aspects are now replaced with "everything must soloable" and LFG tools for speed and convenience. Sad but true

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I do agree, the auto-party feature really does cater to that. And 14 has suffered a lot with the LFP not working for so long that people have just gotten used to either not using it to look for a party, or to look for a replacement. One nice thing new blood in the game will do is bring in people who are not as broken as the game... One could hope... If new people could join...:).

I don't join parties... I make them. I have lead every group i have ever been in.

What really stumps me is how people will yell in chat for Ifrit then... When I ask they LIE and say they know the fight... then they spend the filling time NOT watching a single youtube video or reading ANYTHING about it.

Then I ask if everyone is ready... and they lie again. Then they watch the whole cut scene...

Then they wipe in the most embarrassing way possible And it's always 1 really horrible person and one other one who just needs a little advice.

Then i tell them to wipe it and they kite it all over the fu#%ing place oblivious to my leadership. Then one person leaves... The Light Party sign comes up... and like clockwork everyone jumps off the cliff... *groan*

And once again i find myself feeling Déjà vu... as I trudge my chocobo all the way back to Uld... All the while trying to muster up the hope that the next group will have one less imbecile.

I try to limit random people and avoid pick-up parties for stuff like that. Ifrit, Moogle, and the dungeons can get royally frustrating if you get one of these "random parties". I find pick-up parties lack a lot what is needed to complete these tasks. Some people don't like to listen, pretend like they know what they are doing, flat out suck, try to come undergeared...the list goes on. I'm like you dude, I make like 90% of the parties I'm in but you can only do so much. Even if you are experienced and try to play the leadership role, some people are tough to deal with in many ways. A solid LS or 2 fixes that problem and fills at least a majority or all spots. I rarely shout for random people and if I have to it's to fill the last couple spots. I tried CC and AV in a pick-up party and it was an utter disaster lol. I mean you may luck out and get a good one but nothing beats some good, experienced, smart LS buddies.

"Chain leaving"? Yeah that sucks. How about building a CC party for about an hr, take 30mins to get to Princess, whipe terribly because the bard won't listen and get the Guard, people get frustrated and "chain leave". Fun times, fun times.

I know I've joined groups in MMOs before that, for whatever reason, I've come to regret, but I'll generally stick it out until the first sign of "Oh look at the time." Then it's easy to chime in with "Yeah, I gotta be hitting that dusty trail."

lol! I am a fan of the classic "I'm sorry my LS needs me" or the "I'm sorry LS event!" Quick, simple, and believable! But I rarely bail on people I already committed my time to. I guess I'm a trooper and try to stick it out til the end for better or for worse. Usually in this sense for worse ;)