Searching my branch of the Womack family as it relates to arrival in America and the English descent. I received some information relating to a George Womack in England, circa 1825, from the College of Arms in London. From what I have been told, my branch of the family has been here since 1753. I would like to confirm this as well as finding how I relate to my contempory Womacks. My father is Jack Womack, born 1933 in Harrisburg, Illinois; grandfather, James W. Womack, born 1906 in Harrisburg (?), Illinois; great-grandfather, John F. Womack, born 1858 in Illinois or Kentucky. I appreciate any information and hearing from any kin.

Happy New Year everyone over there (and the one or two over here!) I'm back on line having beaten the kids & husband away from the computer. I'm flattered to read my name's been taken in vane whilst I've been absent - I'm just off to read the message page in detail and will endeavour to get those questions answered. Also aim to answer my messages this evening. Jan x

Righto, I've now read all the messages. Firstly, re Charles Augustus Womack. I don't think that there have ever been Womacks in Wragby, Lincolnshire. This Wragby is about 10 miles North-east of Lincoln (city)and I have never come across any Womacks from there. The Wragby near to Wakefield, 16 miles South-east of Leeds is where the Yorkshire Womacks originate. I have a photocopy (written in Latin) of the original parish record that I saw some 15 years ago. I only found one Womack family there and it begins with a marriage in Dec 1619 between Maria (Mary) Wynke and Richardus (Richard) Woomack. I think Mary came from Wragby and Richard went there to marry her (but where did he come from?) The next record was of their daughter Jana (Jane) 16.12.1620, then Thomas 15.12.1622, then Maria (Mary) 11.06.1626 and then William 17.08.1634. Thomas's descendants continue(d) to live in Wragby/Crofton but William went to Normanton, some 4 miles away and married Elizabeth Race on 12.07.1660 and then went on to populate Wakefield/Leeds and then around about 1760, through marriage, Sheffield and Doncaster also. There are not too many descendants of the Norfolk contingent left. To prove the point I went to The Public Record Office some years ago and recorded all Womack births between the years 1842 & 1845. There were 34 entries of which 2 were from Norwich, 1 from Durham, 1 from Northumberland, 1 from Liverpool and 29 from Doncaster to Wakefield. An area of about 15 miles. The other definite early record I have of a Womack is of a John Wommacke, of Hatfield Woodhouse near Doncaster whose will is recorded in the Bishop's Transcripts at York, vol 38 " 413. I also have a record of descendants of William Wamuke of East Dereham Norfolk ? b. 1440-1450. This William had at least 2 sons and a daughter:- William Womocke (Admon 1563. Norwich.C.), James Wamuke, rector of Yaxham, Norf. Will pr.(Norwich.C.) 19 Jan. 1533-4 and Margaret I think I sent Mark a copy of this when I sent the crest photo. If there is enough interest in the info and he still has the photocopy perhaps it could also be added to the feature on English Womacks. Regards Jan.

Jan I guess we have to assume that in the UK, as here in the US, not everything was recorded; or a lot has been lost or destroyed with time. Would appreciate your looking at the image at this URL and seeing of you can define the counties there that correspond to the map and then overlaying the county name and sending back to me via an attachment to E mail.. http://209.185.180.230/~dubbie/womack/ukwom.gif It also looks like the mystery of William will remain with us for a spell also...Oh Yes, Jan; there is a tapestry that allegedly shows William the Conqueror lying abed with some men standing around and one kneeling by the side. I was told some years back that the man kneeling was Robert Womack (diff spelling) who came with William.. Any feelings about this?

Sam, I think I heard that Bayeux tapestry story also. I dismissed it as a tall one - but you never know. Where did you hear of it? We need to get hold of a VERY detailed book on the tapestry as it would surely be in that if it were true. Also what was the different spelling? Was it anything like the original WIUHOMARCH? Jan.

If anyone feels like (and has the time) to view the Bayeux Tapestry and look out for the afore mentioned (by Sam) cameo, then they could try http://alethea.ukc.ac.uk/SU/societies/deBec/Tapestry/txtintro.html. Jan

You can click on the above corrected version of the url that Jan posted in the previous message. The 's' in 'Societies' needed to be capitalized. So, Jan, which part of the tapestry depicts the alleged Robert Womack kneeling? -Mark

Jan As I remember the spelling was as you gave it below--but the description does not fit the one at the URL--all I remember was that William was supposed to have been in bed, poss death bed, not sure....oh well the story was good anyhow---

I am looking for the ancestors of my 3rd gr-grandfather Elisha H. Womack. He was born on July 4, 1799 in Virginia and died on July 15, 1878 in Moore County, Tennessee. As far as I can tell, his wife's name was Mary, and she was born in Tennessee about 1810. One of his son's, Benjamin Franklin, was my gr-gr grandfather. He was born in Tennessee on Sept. 3, 1832 and was married to Mildred H.F. Green. I have the names of all the offspring from Elisha and along my direct line. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you very much. Sincerely, Douglas Lee Head

Mark, apologies - I stand corrected of my sloppy transcribing! Unfortunately I have no idea which part of the tapestry Richardus Wuihomarch is in - I was hoping someone would tell me - it's not my story! Sam - one thing bothers me. It is Harold who is on his deathbed in the tapestry- William lives to fight another day. Jan.

All you Womack's don't have any idea how surprised I am to find you. My great grandfather was George Washington Womack. I have a lot of information on his family. Thanks to Denise K, I now have his parents William Pinckney Womack & Keturah Allen. It will take me a while to get my info together and learn how to put it in cyber space. Only been at this internet stuff two weeks! Jane

Does anyone have any info on Sarah Womack who married Fountain Dickerson in the 1850's ? They had at least two children,Missouri, and America.They lived in Pope Co. ILL., Tennessee, and Missouri I believe. Any tiny bit of info would be very much appreciated. Thank you Sharon Williams swilli3151@aol.com

I posted a message looking for my ancestors a few days ago. In the meantime I found them looking through all the info. Very interesting! Tradition had it that my gggrandfather Richard Thompson Wammack changed his name from Womack over Civil War issues (he died as a Union soldier in the Missouri cavalry). I always heard that he was "disowned" over all this since he came from a plantationin Tennessee near Nashville. My cousins found some old Civil War era letters from my gggrandparents (his wife's name was Nancy Shaver Wammack), which included letters from my gggrandfather's brother J.S.Wamack (known as Smith), referring to another brother as Amzi (turns out to be William Amzy Wamack), and letters from James Smith Wamack's son John Knox Wamack, in which they discuss other family members and issues surrounding the war. These letters are from 1864 right in the midst of all the turmoil. Really fascinating. The interesting thing is that I found references to all these people in the Womack Newsletter mentioned by Oscar Womack. It was in Volume IV 1960 Number 2 Dec #8. However, no mention was made of my gggrandfather, which from all my letters, and from all my research in the Nashville Genealogical library, is definitely the brother of William Amzi and James Smith Wamack (that is how they spell their name in their letters. Consequently, my gggrandfather, born in 1831, is the son of Richard Wamack Jr. born in Campbell Co. Virginia son of Richard and Rachel, etc, you know the rest of the story. I would be most interested to know what happened with my ggguncles and their families from Wilson County Tennessee. Also if there are any other descendants from Richard Thompson Wammack through his children Agnes, Permelia, Andrew, and Mary Jane. My ggrandfather was Jordan (or Jerden) Thompson Wammack. I found a message in the archives from Ray Franklin Womack Jr. who is apparently a descendant of James Smith Wamack, from whom I have a copy of a letter. Thank you so much for the information, I finally feel much more connected, I have been researching for quite some time. Karin.

My grandfather was Horace Obert Womack. He was a career army officer born December 26, 1886 and died February 12, 1913. His father was John Marion Womack, Born June 8, 1861 in Tennessee and died January 11, 1942 in Colorado. He lived in Womack, St. Genevieve County, Missouri with his brother Rudy, three other brothers and two sisters. After a family dispute he moved to Colorado and did gold mining in Custer County. His father is believed to Benjamin Bradley Womack. He lived in Womack, MO., was a farmer and a traveling Baptist minister in TN, KT and AK. Any information on these relatives would be appreciated. Thanks Larry O. Womack- womack@uscolo.edu

Following up on Sam's December 30 proposal that we do some concentrating re William the Immigrant and English origins, here are some suggestions. First, Bishop Lawrence 1607-1685. Note that his dates make him an unlikely ancestor, more likely a contemporary, of William the Immigrant. Indeed the two printed sources I have which refer to the Bishop name him as part of a specific, different ancestry for Richard III 1710-1785 than is found in e.g. Carlos Womack's books. ("Womack Family" by Jean Stephenson in "Bulletin Virginia State Library - Notes on Southside Virginia" p.41 - unfortunately I don't have a date; and "Genealogy of the Ragland Families" by Margaret Miriam Strong Hale p.199 - listed in the WGN Bibliography.) Both these sources say the Bishop had a son named Edward, whether or not he left his estate to a nephew. Specific birth (12 March 1653) and death (8 September 1723) dates are given for this Edward. Can't this be checked out? Jan do you have suggestions? Also in this alleged ancestry is an Abraham with specific birth (15 August 1685 - England?) and death (4 February 1756 - Virginia) dates. Again, can we check English births? Does anyone out there have anything on this alleged Abraham? Second, Charles Augustus allegedly born 1675. Is there no way to look for a birth, starting in Kent? And Jan, I think you once said there were "several" Williams born 1600-1610 in England. Could you post that data? To summarize: maybe we might focus on birth records for these guys? Or has somebody already done that? And by the way has anybody ever contacted the persons listed in the LDS Ancestry File as the sources for the Charles Augustus data and asked them where they got it?

Re David's message. I've got photocopies of the Norfolk ancestry. I'm such a computer dunce that I don't know how to attach files from the fax to the computer and I don't have the time to find out! However if any one out there has a fax and is willing to put it onto the WGN for me I will fax them the info. Bishop Laurence Womack,D.D., Bishop of St. David,s. Bap.S.Lopham 1 Mch. 1613-4. Died 12 Mch. 1685-6 (Julian Calendar), aged 73. buried St. Margaret's, Westminster. M.I. Will pr. (P.C.C) 15 Mch. 1685-6, s.p. Only one daughter, Ann, buried at Horringer, Suffolk, 26 ? 1665. From first wife. Three wives in total. No direct heir, daughter died unmarried. According to Arthur Campling who did the "Tree" yonks ago, Bishop Laurence's heir was Laurence Womack, gentleman of Mautby, Norfolk. Bap. Gt. Whelnetham, Suffolk., 2 Feb. 1637-8. died 30 Sept. 1709, aged 71. M.I.Mautby. (Arms:Womack). will pr. (Norw.A) 12. Oct. 1709. To my mind, Laurence himself as an ancestor to any Womack today is a dead-end, but an interesting side track. He is probably everbody's gt, gt, gt ..etc gt uncle. I do believe that his gt or gt or gt etc grandparents will be common ancestors with all today's Womacks. Jan

Robert Womack in GRayson Co.VA I was searching Grayson Co Va for another line and on the 1813 tax rolls I found a lone Robert Womack. Any one know who he is, I have absolutely no idea, but he is a welcome change from William.

FYI, I am getting ready for the next site update. It is scheduled for next Saturday (1/16). We'll have some long awaited articles, announcements, and new researchers. Thanks to everyone for their patience. And I've really enjoyed that past couple weeks on this message page. Some great discussion! Thanks! -Mark

Is anybody researching the WOMACK family tree in England ? My greatgrandfather (name unknown) came to Liverpool, England around 1900 from Holland. My grandfather (Joseph) lived there all his life and my father lives in Cheshire. I am just starting to research the WOMACK family tree, firstly to see where the Dutch connection goes, and after reading the WGN pages, to see if I am related to 'the immigrant' from the other direction - Did he come from England ? P.S. and to think, I thought Womack was an uncommon name !!!

Some one said below that their ancestor went from Holland to England and I guess the implication was that he was a Womack..this may be quite possible as I had an exwife some of whose Scotch ancestral bunch, not direct but related, ended in Germany after the time when they were supposed to turn in their weapons. Might lend some creedence to the Woomack spelling the guy from Australia said his family used then dropped the extra 'o'....there were Woomacks in Arkansas in the 1800's also. However, I guess we all know that a lot of hearsay and antiquity will keep us from finding the REAL truth about most of them--With all the new stuff about William, Richard, whomever, the original foundation has been shaken some..almost makes one wish the old statement in the Womack Genealogy of three brothers from Scotland was true!! I know a lot of my Womack information is from what others have told me; and, truthfully, anyone backpast my GGG-GF is quite suspect..cause there the paper trail sputters out. The only "proof" I have that my GGG-GF was my "GGGG-GFs" son was a court paper stating something like "ceptin Thomas who is already dead." KEITH ELLIOTT has a lot of the Allen/Womack stuff on his page..perhaps mebbe we ought to start checking the validity of the Womack/Allen relationship as Ann suggested might be suspect as well??

While looking for my wife's line on another Genealogy Web Site I found the following poem. Don't know if this applies to any Womacks or not but I thought it is kinda cute. Heredity: A Genealogy Poem by Grandpa Tucker I saw a duck the day, It had the feet of my Aunt Faye, Then it walked, was heading South, It waddled like my Uncle Ralph. And when it turned, I must propose, It's bill was formed like Aunt Jane's nose. I thought, "Oh, No!!It's just my luck, Someday I'll look just like a duck!". I sobbed to Mom about my fears, And she said, "Honey, dry your tears. You look like me, so walk with pride. Those folks are all from Daddy's side."

William (G. or W.) Womack b.4-19-1817 d. 3-12-1862, m. Sarah Elizabeth Miers abt 1846. My grandfather Yancy Tooms Womack, b. 1-6-1861 in Louisiana, was his last born child...Don't know parish or ? Would appreciate any other info re: grandfather or ggrandfather. I always seem to get the extra help I need at this site. Thanks

My wife is researching her family tree which got me to wondering about mine. We moved a great deal when I was a kid and I did not learn much about the Womack family (other than if we pronounced it Woooo Mack my grandfather would have a heartattack). Any way, can some help me get started: My name is John David Womack,born in Memphis Tn, '57. Father: Johnny Gilbert Womack, joined the Air Force in early 50s, eldest son of Ernest A. Womack who worked for the railroad in Southaven, MS, also as a sharecropper in Alabama, married to ADA (don't know maiden name). Also, would never have thought there was an organization like this. With all them moving around we rarely met any other Womacks. Thanks for any help you can give. Dave

[posted by webmaster; I think this is for Campbell Co, VA] I'm looking for a will on William Womack who would have died about 1828. He was married to Catharine (Blankenship) and their children were Catharine, Joseph, Rebecca, James, William, Fayette, Jack, LeRoy, Larkin (my ancestor) and John. James and William were bound out in 1828 per court record Nov page 187. So I ask why were they bound? Did their father owe alot of money so they worked off the debt or did he have other notes or responsibilities? I would appreciate any help or suggestions on where to go find or write to find this will or bound records or records showing them being free.

Charles Augustus and the Bishop. Here's another piece for this confused puzzle. In "The Kentucky Pioneer Genealogy and Records" Volume 6, Number 4, 1985, p. 147 there is an article entitled "Bible Records" contributed by Thelma Line Boyd. The following appears under the "Womack" line copied from a family Bible: "Charles Augustus Womack, was the Duke of Albermal, Lawrence Womack was his second son, borned in Suffield England in 1612, died 1685, he was Bishop of Suffield England . . .". The line Lawrence-Edward-Ashley-Richard III-Abraham is then given. Of Abraham, the Bible says: "Abraham Womack was borned April 22, 1742, died in Hancock Co., Ga. 1804, he married Martha Mitchell, she was borned May 4, 1744, died 1787, she was the daughter of Edward Mitchell of North Carolina, Edward Mitchell, was borned in Virginia 1720, died in North Carolina". There is also a Coleman line in the same Bible. But Hey! Charles Augustus as the father of the Bishop?!

Alot of new information on the early generations has come to WGN lately. Whether William was the Immigrant or Richard or someone else. At this point I'll stay with William. And it was common for children in the early days of our country to patent land as early as 16 years old. Here is some source info to check out for those who have access to these records. The five sons of William.......William, Abraham, Richard, Thomas, and John are mentioned in the Colonial Records of Virginia as was the ancestral home of Norfolk, England.....William Patented land in the Bermuda Hundred Section of Henrico Co., VA. Ref CDXVII Century Applic., on William Womack b1620 Eng/VA., in 1657 William Womack on tithing list of Henrico Co., VA. in 1679 VA., Rec. Bk 1677-92 pp492, 716,762. VA., State Library....Also "Rand, Hale & Allied Families" by Nettie Hale Rand, 1940. Other references Valentine Papers pp. 1772, 1774. ..... William & Mary College Quaterely V-24 p 208. Virginia Historical Magazine, Minutes of the Council and General Court of Colonial Virginia p 369...Chesterfield Co., VA., p 48 by lutz.

In re; Linda Kent.....It was a common practice to have ones children bound out. when a member of the family died and the remaining parent could not afford an education. The purpose was to learn a trade and they earned that by working for that person for several years, usually by contract. I don't think they were responsible for their parents debts, but I'm not positive on that.....You also mentioned a Fayette and Jack as children of William and Catherine, in the letters to their son Willliam in Illinois she Catherine mentions their children, no mention of a Fayette or Jack, where did that information come from?

In re; to David Womack, I have his ancestors as follows: Johnny Gilbert Womack; son of Earnest Ad Womack; son of Elliott Manse Womack; son of John Henry Pryor Womack; son of Abner Womack; son of David Womack and Mildred Pryor.

Roger, good point on the age 16 and getting land..Now we beat William and Charles and the Bishop in the dirt (and that alleged Bible record sounds like an IGI contribution); will someone puhleeze tell me who the second Jacob Womack was at Watauga??

Immigrant Robert Womack. Some time ago, someone wanted people to post known immigrants other than William the Immigrant. I found this one while looking in Georgia stuff for traces of Richard III and his family, in the book "Queensborough or The Irish Town and Its Citizens" by Loris D. Cofer, 1977. The book is about Irish immigration to Georgia in the eighteenth century. A Robert Womack is listed as arriving on the ship "Hopewell" and receivimg land in what is now Jefferson County in 1770. He had a wife Jane and a son Berry mentioned in his 1804 will. He was near to Richard III and Richard's sons Jesse and John.

I'm intrigued by one of the earlier messages on this page as to different way people pronounce Womack. I have 31 and all my life I have never heard it pronounced in any other way than "WO" {sounds like row as in row a boat} MACK. Although, I am sure we are all familiar with the many different ways of spelling the name people who post things to me produce. My personal favourite was to have a letter addressed as Derek Wormer as opposed to Darren Womack. :-) Sorry for waffling on - just a little amusing side discussion perhaps.

In John Womacks Will Chatham Co., NC Jul 29 1813, probated Feb 1814 it says; " I give unto my son William Allen, who generally goes by the name of William Womack, one nego...Sam. I lend Suzanne Allen for life, all the horses, cows, hog, All the household and kitchen furniture and plantation, and after her death to be equally divided between Robert, William and Elizabeth Allen." To my James Womack" Son John---Daughter Patsy Parham----Daughter Nancy Battle.......Executors: son Rorie Womack and William Allen........ Suzanne Allen was Johns second wife after Eleanor Rorie. Some of the descendants of William Allen believe he is the William Womack that married Elizabeth Sheppard. John was the brother of Albridgton Womack Sr. (Brittain Womack) Does any have any info this? Was Robert, William, and Elizabeth, Allens or Womacks?

Friday, January 15, 1999 at 14:23:39 (PST)
John Puckett

I am researching George Washington Puckett who is listed in the 1850 Virginia census as living in Richmond, Virginia, married to Jane, age 21. He seems also to have lived in Petersburg, VA and perhaps in New Kent, VA. One of his children was Walter Puckett, born May 2, 1946 in Petersburg, VA. Walter married Virginia Lee Richardson, and died on June 26, 1931 in Newport News, VA. I'm trying to find out more about George W. Puckett and any of his ancestors.

Darren, re. pronunciation of Womack. In England pre-1970 it was always WOOOMack. My husband was the first Womack to change the pronunciation (as far as we can tell) to Woe(as in row) mack when he moved south to London because it is a name unheard of "down there". He found he had to constantly repeat and spell his name for southerners and then along came Bobby Womack in the pop charts and his problem was solved. Except he is considered a traitor by the rest of the yorkshire bunch for having changed it. My mother-in-law says it should be pronounced Wo (as in Woman) mack, because we don't say wo(e)man. David, re the Bible Records of Thelma Line Boyd. Time to lay this one to rest. There is no way Laurence's father was the Duke of Albemarle. The first Duke of Albemarle was George Monck (Monk), the son of a Devonshire Baronet. The title was created as thanks for George helping restore the Stuart rule (Charles II) in 1660. The dates given for Laurence's baptism & death are about right. There is no such place as Suffield. Seems like a conglomeration of Sheffield and Suffolk. Laurence (note spelling) was Bishop of St. Davids (don'y know where St. David's is, despite searches), but it must be in Norfolk not Suffolk, which is further south, because all his parishes ar Norfolk ones. There is a link to the Norfolk family history society and Womack - Lopham and Womack - Mautby pedigrees are mentioned. However i don't know how to download the info (sorry!). http://www.rootsweb.com/~nfhs/ib/kh/w.htm. Laurence's father was Lawrence Womock-rector of Sth Lopham will pr. 26.4.1656. His mother was Prudence. His siblings were 1.Arthur-rector of Fersfield bapt. 1606, will pr. 1686. 2.Helena bapt 1610 mar. 1635. Thomas Dey. 3.John Womack, of North Lopham bapt. 1616. 4.Thomas of Norwich, worsted weaver. bapt.1618. will pr. 1697. Laurence's grandparents were Hugh Womocke of east dereham bapt. 1538 mar. joan Randall. Their children were 1. Lawrence (Laurence's father) 2.Henry, rector of Ellingham Magna bapt. 1566 will 1627. 3. William womack of East dereham will. 1643 4.Arthur Womock of East dereham bapt. 1570. 5. George Womack of Fersfield, Norf. 6. Robert Womack of East Dereham. 7. Thomas Womocke of Sth lopham & 8. Elizabeth mar. Richard Woods. Laurence's great grandparents were William womocke of East Dereham, Yeoman. will 1585. mar agnes scarlett. Laurences gggp was William womocke m/d 1547 admon 1563(?) " ggggp " William Wamuke of East Dereham Norf. PHeew! Sam. Heard on the radio today a re-enactment of William the Conqueror's death (What a co-incidence!) He died in Rouen at the Priory St. Gervaise in 1087 having sustained injury following a fall from his horse. He was surrounded by his sons Henry and William (later William Rufus, William II of england). His dying speech apparently was recorded word for word and decries his second eldest son - Robertus! who he had previously fought but to whom he was leaving the Dukedom of Normandy. I think the historian (And ex-prime- minister), Winston Churchill, who wrote this, said that it is depicted on the Bayeaux tapestry. So perhaps our Robertus is secreted somewhere in the background. At least we know where to look now - somewhere round about the last stitch! Regards to all. Jan

It's interesting to see all of the different ways to pronounce WOMACK. My grandmother pronounced it WOM ICK as in TOM ICK. This was the MO group of Jacob. I live in an area of Western North Carolina where there are tons of WOMACKS and they pronounce it WO MACK as in TOW MACK.

Jan. Hooray. Thanks for all the information. Some comments. Let's be sure what we are laying to rest. Remember I was quoting from someone else's work. Right on as far as I know about the Duke of Albemarle. Right on about Suffield. I think St. David's was in another part of England than East Anglia, but will check my papers. More later. David.

Jan, and everyone..on that pronunciation..when I was growing up we always pronounced it as Wammuck.(spelled correctly of course)..Steve Womack in England says they pronounced it as in stomach, Wummuck, till Bobby came along..mine changed when I went into the military..well before Bobby became a figment of any stardom..I guess what also is really neat is all this heretofore unavailable info coming to life!! Oh, what the original Womack Association would have given for all this!!

Jan, on the Tapestry..I did see, in the past but not the tapestry you sent the URL for, a photo of perhaps a tapestry or painting, showing a man in his bed, some men standing around, and one kneeling by the side of the bed, this is the one I originally referred to..I cannot for the life of me remember where I saw that.. But, do thank those who restored my Stuart/Stewart relatives!

Apologies to David, didn't mean to be rude when I said "lay to rest". There are 2 St. Davids parishes in UK one in Tayside Scotland and one in Dyfed, Wales. I can't for the life of me think that he had any connection with these. I've got my neighbour, who comes from Norwich on to it, looking for a church or cathedral of "st. David". Interesting to hear of Steve's description of the pronunciation of Womack. My Mother-in-Law always used to say "It's pronounced Wooomack as in stooomack (stomach)." I always replied "well, I say stummack (stomach) so I must be a wummack" u being as in huh.(?) Jan.

Jan, no apology necessary! I didn't think you were being rude. I think the appropriate St. David's may be the Welsh one. There is a "Bishop's Palace" there. Would it not be possible as he was ascending the Church hierarchy that he would have moved around the country a bit more than a Rector would? Some sources show him as an Archdeacon and a Prebend and as serving in Hereford and Ely (probably the Cambridgeshire one).

Supposedly it's the St. David's in Wales. In this particular timeperiod, one did not have to actually have a physical presence someplace to have a church position (and income there) You could rack up technical posts and incomes from churches all over the place and never go to any of them. It was kind of a patronage thing in many of the positions. If he actually traveled to St. David's it would be more surprising than if he didn't, although by the time you rate bishop, they probably had to at least try to make a tour of their seat. Now, on to another story - does anyone have a Britton Womack in 1860 Jones Co., GA? Is this an Albridgeton Womack line offshoot? Albridgeton III was supposed to be in Monroe Co GA in 1850, and most of the Albridgetons were known as Brittain. Enquiring minds want to know! Actually, Joel Chandler Womack, who noted that my Mansel Womack had drifted through Jones Co somewhat earlier in the 1820s or so, wanted to know. He's vzauto@pilot.infi.net Since the name Brittain shows up in my McDonalds, he was curious if there was a connection to my line. There isn't. My Henry Brittain McDonald was the father of Frank who m. Louisa Womack in AL. Anyway, if anyone knows this Britton, give Joel a yell.

I am looking for info. on the Children of Carter Womack born Abt:1760 in VA. and died in 10/1822 in Halifax Co. NC. his Children are Joron: 1795 Mary: 1797 William: 1799 Thomas: 1807 James: 1810 Asa: 1813 David: 1815 Kinchen: 1820 Carter is the ggggg grandson of William Womack Sr. thanks for all the help

Ann, you are absolutely right about Laurnce being Bishop of St. Davids in Wales & also that he may not have been there. My own feature quoting D.N.B. from 1909 says "He does not appear to have gone into residence at St. Davids"! Der!! It is a hell of a long way from Norfolk. On the opposite side of the country on the Pembroke coast opposite Ramsay Island. My map has the Bishops Palace marked as being a place of interest & the Cathedral is pictured on http://www.stdavids.co.uk/. jan

Sam, ...The biggest event I know of off hand in 1814 was the Battle of New Orleans, in which several Womack,s fought. Michael Womack was credited with firing the fatal shot that killed British General Packenham. Was Colonel Robert Bean in that one also?

And now the moment you have all been waiting for!! The answer to the annual WGN Trivia question: From Goodspeeds History of NE AR, for what it is worth, comes the following: Col. Robert Bean ran the first keel-boat up White River and established himself at the mouth of Polk Bayou (Batesville) in 1814. An additional tidbit from the same tome: "The town of Batesville having been established prior to the organization of the county, and being centrally located, as well as enjoying the advantages of a navigable river, was chosen as the seat of justice, and as such still continues. The present court-house, which stands on block 15, at the corner of Broad and MainStreets, was erected in 1857 by Messrs. J. H. Peel and J. E. Wamac, at a cost of $10,000." County Treasurers: Thomas Womack, 1856-58 From the Independence Co 1830 Census: Bean, Jesse 0010001/ 001001/ 3 I have also picked up quite a few tidbits of Womack info from the Arkansas Confederate CW Units that I will post later on to the Arkansas page of mine. Names, units, places/dates of death or interment, etc..Also have a sizeable amount of info from Pike Co AR..So keep on checkin,

Site update for Januray 17th, 1999 is now complete: 37 new or updated researchers, a feature article about the Womack genealogy of the actor James Garner, an announcement of the publication of _Litte River Pioneers_, and more. My thanks to everyone that contributed to this update. Enjoy! -Mark

I just wanted to highlight the publication of the most Womack related book to be published, Little River Pioneers by by Nina Watson Cottrell, Thomas Ray Knox, and Miles Kenan Womack, Jr. If you are interested in this book, please use the above URL to fine out more. Those of you with ancestors in Gadsen Co, FL will be most interested, but those of us that collect all the information we can find may be interested as well. I think it is wonderful to have another book published about Womack's, and would like to thank the authors for doing it, and for giving the WGN the opportunity to help them announce it. If anyone knows of similar projects underway, please let me know or forward the concerned parties to me. The WGN can greatly help in communicating it's existence. -Mark

Wow!! y'all the loudest buncha peeple ah evah did heer!! C'mon lets git some chatter goin heah on them Womacks evah how y'all pro-nun-see-ate it.**** And on that lil mattah, remembah someone said, me thinks Milady Jan, that\ it was kinda pronounced like hummuck or hummock in the UK at one time..Might lend some insight to the name Hammock(or its derivatives)?? Remember, the old Womack Genealogy said the name was found disguised as Wilmouth and Weymouth.****OK now, since the trivia didnt go ovah too well, mebbe this will- got the Arkansas Womacks in the Confederacy/Union done, all could find anyhow, posted at URL above***also Pike Co AR marriages (some)and a census for Pike Co at the end of the marriages..Now sumone else needs take a state and do this also if'n ye would..hmmm??? ah'm fixin to start yanking MO's chain, but only cause got another fam name theah and mites well look fer both at the same time-- y'all take care now, y'heah?

On James Garner the Womack Connection Why dose everyone have Richard, son of David and Mildred (Pryor) Womack married to Dicy Jane Hayes, b.8 Oct 1827, d. 25 June 1905, she was born two years after he died, Richard was her g-uncle , she was married to Richard 1829 - 1892, son of Andrew 1795-1860, son of Richard abt 1765- abt 1825, son of David and Mildred. I have pictures of Richards and Dicy Jane Womack, head stones in Mendellhall, Simpson Co. MS, along with some of their descendants. I've done a lot of searching of this line, looking for proof of David and Mildred to Richard and Martha to Abner Pryor and Anastasia Womack, very hard to connect. Any help out there, SAR dosen't just take word of mouth, Thanks.

I would like to know the national ansestery of the Womack name. I had a great-grandmother who was a Womack and I'm starting to research my mother's half of my family history. I'm planning on doing all the great-grandparents

See posting of May 22, 1998, Vital Stats (Misc.), "History of Idaho, the Gem of the Mountains" by James Howley. Bio was on Isaac Womack, son of Alexander Selkirk (son of Green) states that Alexander's paternal side was of Welsh descent.

Speaking of Alexander Selkirk Womack, I was watching the History channel the other day - guess who he was probably named for? Alexander Selkirk was a Scottish sailor who was the inspiration for Robinson Crusoe. He was quite a story in his day. He was set out alone on a dinky little island, lived off the land (and goats) and hung out there alone for a couple of years. He was found by another British ship, went back to Scotland, eventually went back to sea and died at sea. Apparently, when he was found it was quite a sensation.

Darrel and Judy, A note in response to your Simpson Co MS Womack research. Having spent many hours in records of that area searching for my Powell and Womack families, I have quite a collection of notes. Thanks to contact with Miles K. Womack of Gadsden Co FL, my Womack problem has been resolved. Before tossing some of research notes, here is something that just might have significance for someone. This is correspondence dated 1977 from Roy E. Gibson, Fort Worth, TX:---. {If you copied those Simpson Co census records of the Womacks and the one living next door to your Henry J. Powell is David Womack with wife Sarah, ages in the 60's; then note the following from a copy of an old letter from a Mrs. M. C. Gibson of Apple Springs, Tex. in 1838. "David Womack, Sr.,(my grandfather) died in Miss. prior to 1856, and grandmother died here in Texas, before the Civil War, but I do not know the date. The old family Bible was burned years ago. David Womack, Sr. came from Georgia. He married Sarah Bannister. To them were born six boys and six girls. 1. Betty mar _____McTaheuy; 2. Milly mar David Womack (first cousins); 3. Vashti mar Richard Swor; 4. Sarah mar Press Campbell; 5. Jane mar John Magee; 6. Wm. B. mar Eley Franklin; 7. Abraham B mar Lucy Campbell; 8. David, Jr. (my father) mar Jane Franklin; 9. Richard mar Arcadia Powell, (all in Mississippi). Jack mar Sarah Watson, Trinity Co. TX Signed, Mrs. M. C. Gibson." } In all the research on this family I have seen over the years, the David Womack family mentioned here has a wife who is a Norris, not Bannister. I am a Norris, and while this is not my ancestor, I do have a curiosity regarding the Norris/Bannister? spouse. Can you clear this up for me? I have a printed copy of the complete census for Simpson Co Ms 1850. Happy to do look ups.

In Re: Darrel and Judy, I first came upon the Richard and Dicy Jane Hayes question in Carlos Womack's book which I viewed first on microfilm at the local FHC. (Which looks like the same source for the James Garner line) I do not believe that Richard IV married (1st) Dicy Jane Hayes. I descend from Richard IV's wife number (2) Martha. Then to Robert, Abner Pryor's brother. For the SAR, you need to check out Elliott Spear's application. (deceased by 1961) He was a descendant of Col. Abner Pryor also. So you would just have to prove from you to Col. Abner Pryor Womack. Since we are talking about this line, does anyone know where they found the name of "Mansel" for Richard IV? Also, I have been to Greensburg, La.... researched the courthouse vault all day long.... went out to Col. Abner Pryor Womack's Cem. and so far I haven't found any records of land, death, or buried on Richard IV. Where did the information come from that he moved to, and died in St. Helena Parish? His wife Martha is found "back" in Ms. in 1835 when she bought land in Copiah and Washington Co.s. Can any one help out there. ....thanks... Markie

(From Jessie Womack Moorhead's manuscript written in 1961) RECORD FROM OLD FAMILY BIBLE OF RICHARD R. WOMACK, AND HIS WIFE, DICIE (DICA) JANE HAYS, OF SIMPSON COUNTY, MISSISSIPPI (Grandparents of your compiler, Jessie Womack Moorhead) Richard R. Womack, Born December 27, 1828 (To which has been added the date of his death, March 10, 1892.) Dicie Jane Hays, Born October 8, 1827 (To which has been added the date of her death, June 25, 1905.) (From Womack Genealogy Vol. I, No. 2, December 1957, pages 30 & 31) Jessie Womack Moorhead (age 72) list her line as follows: Richard I, Richard II, Richard III, David I, David II, "Richard" who is married to Dicy Jane Hayes, who are her grandparents. Roger, these dates fit the same ones ya'll are talking about. How many Dicy Jane Hayes' are there??? Markie

I'm sorry... I just copied and pasted, didn't notice the "all caps".. I didn't mean to shout at everyone!! :) But I had a chance to go back and read your msg. Roger. Ya'll have Dicy Jane's husband *Richard* as the son of *Andrew*. I couldn't remember which one you had said... (old timers disease)... Is this the same Dicy Jane Hayes?.... Markie

The PAF files at the FHC spell it Hays, other sources spell it Hayes. The Dicy that I have married to Richard Mansel (son of David and Mildred Pryor) was born abt 1770....I don't have a clue where the middle name Mansel came from unless Richard I,...II,...& III's middle name was Mansel, I have never seen anything to support that though....The children of this Richard Mansel and Dicy are; #1 John, #2 Mary; #3 Andrew A. (whose son Richard R. married Dicy Jane Hays, born 1827)...#4 Richard Mansel V; #5 David Womack who married Mildred Womack....Mildred Womack, Ihave listed as the daughter of David Jr son of David and Mildred Pryor. Who was also the father of Richard Mansel who married the 1770 Dicy. So it seems they were closely related.... The line you posted Richard I,...II,...III,...David,...David Jr, I don't have David Jr's, child as Richard, but Mildred who married David Womack, #5. who's son Dr. John Crossley was the ancestor of James Garner.....Richard R. son of Andrew also had a Richard M, confused yet? I am.

Re: the name Mansel. No one knows where it came from. It's one of the weirder little mysteries hanign out on my family tree. By my count, it's listed 5 times in Carlos' book as a name used pre-1800 - one Mansel, 4 Richard Mansels. My ancestor happens to be Mansel. This particular name gets more abuse from clerks than virtually any other in my family, with Kinchen coming in a close second. Mansel shows up as Mancil, Manuel, Mannel, you name it. Descended from my Mansel are a good 10 other Mansels. Currently, there is only one living that I know of in my line, and that's Mansel Phillips. Mansel keeps closer tabs on the name than I do, so he might know more. Now, my guess is that Richard Mansel who m. Dicy Jane Hayes is so noted because his son was Richard Mansel Jr. There is a family bible floating around for Richard Jr's family somewhere in Magee MS as of 1985. He named his son Abner Mansel, so the name floated down another generation. Now, it is noteworthy Abraham named his son Mansel, and his brother Jesse named a kid Richard Mansel. I have NO idea why. Unless there was some war hero running around named Richard Mansel, similar to Francis Marion, I have no idea why it suddenly pops up and then runs down the family tree. The theory in case of Kinchen is that it was a family suname from the Kinchen family of VA that drifted over from one of the female lines. This is indeed the case in other instances of it cropping up. But Mansel is even rarer than Kinchen as a surname, so it's anyone's guess as to why it suddenly pops up ca. 1760 or so in the Womack family - and then drifts down the family trees almost forever. And isn't THAT more than you ever really wanted to know about the name Mansel! LOL! Ann

Looking for info on a Sarah Worsham born 1644, Henrico co VA. d: Bristol parish VA. M:Abraham Womack b:1645. I need more info on her parents John William Worsham and Elizabeth Littleberry. any info appreciated!

Judy, I'm so mixed up on all of these Richard's and Dicy's!!But I sent an e-mail to Wayne Calk who is also descended from your Abner Pryor. I gave him your e-mail address. Maybe he has the proof you are searching for. At least I did get your Abner straight from Col. Abner! I'm looking through all the stuff I have here. It's scattered all over this room. Now, I'm really mixed up. :) Markie

Further to the Womack/Cody connections. Ann McDonald had mentioned from Womack research in VA that Richard IV (note that I mean the son of Richard III 1710-1785, not another person recently referred to as Richard IV) married Margaret Archdeacon/Cody, daughter of James Archdeacon/Cody II. Going back over stuff today I see in the will of said James A/C II a bequest to his daughter Margaret Womack.

I am beginning to get concerned about participation on WGN--Mark has 250 researchers listed---of those 250, I find there were only 30 of them on line so far this month (as of 1037pm, PST, Jan 23)..2 of them had been on 11 times; One had been on 8, 1 had been on 7, 1 had been on 6, 1 had been on 4, 3 at 3, 6 at 2 ; and 15 at 1 time each; total hits including repeats-42. Except for a couple of my half hearted attempts at humor(lead baloons float better!), the content was quite interesting and the type of discussion we need. At the risk of cutting meself som flak, where are the other 220? We need your inputs!!

I mentioned that I had added more info to the two web pages, i.e. the 1850, 70 and 80 TN census indexes, I have lsited all AR CW Units that had Womacks on their rosters that are available at this time. Plus, known burials of CSA members that I could find. I will start soon lookin for all Civil War units that had a Womack on their rosters, by state. I truly hope that most states have done the job the people have done on AR. AL is not bad have looked at it before. TN is pathetic with their info on the CW--I listed a bunch of URLS that had Womack information here on WGN..I also uploaded some misc Womack stuff from AR....I have 11kb of Womack data from TX ready to upload, but holding. In doing this type research, I've been lucky to find in AR alone, one GGG-GF, two GG-GF's (l fought for both sides); one GG-GF in AL; and one in TN--that were in the CW. I have no Idea whether or not my GG-GF Womack was in or not; but he was abt 15 in 1861; married at 16 in 1862.

OK another subject: I am interested in knowing how many of you have SAMUEL as a first name in your lines. Mine started with my GG-GF Samuel M Womack and with the exception of my G-GF was used down to my son as a first name. Hopever, GG-GF did name his third son Samuel M Jr. One thing I would like to know is how many know what the middle name of their Samuel was. I know one was a Samuel Minter but dont remember which line he belonged to. I have a copy of his CW record(skimpy) here somewhere.

Sam....The TN., census is great!!!...found some connections there...I sure would like to know if anyone has anything on the Wammack's from Gibson, Co., TN in that census, Daniel age 24; Newton age 28; Richard age 27; William age 21 and B.Wammuck age 34. Also Elizabeth Womack from Madison Co., son Chesterfield. and Rachell Womack from White Co., w/son Crockett....On the subject of Samuels, I have 56 Samuel's, 43 of them have middle initials or names, several Samuel M's a couple are yours but one Samuel M., born 1845 died during the Civil War, son of Allen Womack and Sarah Bates Nowlin, is he the Samuel Minter you mentioned?

Roger, the Samuel Minter I mentioned I think was in the old Womack Gen Vols. I am just trying to get an idea what my GG-Gf middle name may have been, and why all of a sudden Sam popped up in the line--there were none in his mother's side back to her grandpa. I think I have the Samuel M you mentioned as deceased's CW record (partial). And on the Newton Womack in Gibson Co, there were twins named James Jasper and John Newton, b, Sep 22, 1828. but the age you give dont think it this Newton.

Sam, the Kinchen Womack McDonald buried in Earnest Cemetery, Calhoun Co., AR is my great-grandfather. 8-) The rest of that Womack family, generally, is buried in either McDonald cemetery in Dallas Co., or Moss Cemetery in Bearden. K.W. is buried in Earnest because his wife was a Nutt, and the Nutt family buried over there. 8-) I'm not sure, but the W. Womack listed for Ouachita Co. Civil War pensions may be many greats-uncle Wiley. His wife was Nancy McDonald, and his sister was my ancestor Louisa Womack McDonald. He died in the Confederate Home in Sweet Home AR in 1927, so it's likely. Seems to me that he actually served from Alabama, but I'd have to look it up.

I am seeking descendants of Joshiah Womack, son of William and Lucienda "Lucy" Womack. I need full name of his wife, names of children with dob and dod and who they married if known. Any and all help would be appreciated.

Ann, Dont bother looking up whether or not the W Womack served from AL--he did. See the Division? AL First. Generally, the states where they enlisted are on the applications. The number lsited is the application number and if a personwere writing for a copy of the original, or its transcribed version, would use that number to request.

Bill, or for tht matter, anyone else. If you find the last name of Comfort and the children of Josiah, would appreciate myself as I am working on a digital version of the book on Thomas and Louvisa. I received permission to do so from Oscar's son who was executor of the estate, thru his son Steve. Adding additional descendants would be a nice touch to Oscar's original work, dont you think? So any and all, even if they duplicate what is available now, would be helpful; for they might add dates and places not in the original.

HELP...I've fallen out of the loop I think... RE: David,... "Richard IV..(note that I mean the son of Richard III 1710-1785, not another person recently referred to as Richard IV)" .... I don't have Richard III as having a son named Richard..... "Help me, I've fallen down, and can't get up".... Markie (mumbling) oh these Richards, Dicys, Williams, Roberts, Abrahams..Womacks, they're all driving me crazy, yep the men with the little white coat is a'coming, I just knowed it!

Sam, my great grandfather's ( Richard Willard) brother was named Samuel Womack. b. 1878. They were the sons of my Robert and Wrizopa Southen Womack. I don't have any other information on him tho.. this is all. That's the only Samuel I have in my direct line. Markie

Re Sam's question as to where are all the Womacks listed with WGN...in my case, ya'll never have anything re my Womacks of MO for me to comment on. I think my Jacob Womack just dropped from the sky one day. I am trying to trace Jacob's second wife's family, ALTHISER/ALLHISER/ALTISER. I thought maybe if I could find out more about her family, I might run across something that would help me connect Jacob to Green Womack or somebody. Melissa Jane's father was Alex Althiser who had lived in Putnam Co., MO (he was on the 1860 Census). Green was also in Putnam Co. in 1860. Melissa & Jacob were married in Putnam Co. in 1865. Although, Melissa's death certificate (filled in by one of her sons) stated that her father, Alex, was born in PA, two of the census state that he said he was born in IN. He had children born in IA and MO. QUESTION: Is anyone else working on a connection to ALTHISER family? This past summer, I hired a researcher that could not document for a fact that Green was my Jacob's father, although she says there is enough evidence to have one believe that he is the Jacob that was the son of Green. She did find lots of information that I will try to pass on to WGN. There might be something re Womacks that will help someone else.

I have a hard copy of the same letter written by F. M. Womack. It is an old copy and contained some corrections possibly made by my great-aunt Lillian Womack. The corrections apply to the section describing Uncle Abner Womack who married Ibby Patton. The children consisted of one daughter, Mary (Belle?), and several boys: (William) Pleasant, John (Tipton), (Abner) Benton, Benjamin (R.), Alexander (Patton), Charles (C.), and George (W.). The letter combines John and Benton but they are John (Tipton) and (Abner) Benton. Also, my copy had the name Charity but that was corrected to Charley (Charles C.).

Markie. In this business one of the things you learn is "nothing is for certain"! Anyway regarding Richards. There are so many that it's perhaps foolish even to call anyone "Richard III" as I am prone to do, but when I do I mean the Richard born c.1710 who married Ann/Nancy Childers. That guy did by most accounts have a son whom some of us call Richard IV. Accounts include: Carl Womack who lists Richard III as no. 55 and his son Richard IV as no. 166; LDS Ancestral File which shows Richard III several places as having a son Richard (who would be IV); and several others. That Richard IV is usually shown as having died 1754 (quite young). Anyway, any or all of these could be wrong, but I tend to accept that Richard III had a Richard IV. That being said, I tend to doubt that most accounts of Richard III's children are completely accurate. That's another subject.

Carolyn, I think you misunderstood what I meant. I meant if there are 250 researchers, why only 30 or so are active?? Has nothing to do with yer family line, jes' the researchers. Mebbe if all would participate and add to the info, we would find yer Jacob...remember there was one that was Jacob Green Womack some wheah back theah in time--. And yes, there were Greens and Jacobs also.. so mebbe that was wheah yers came thru and not the space shuttle??

On the subject of participation, I think some of us live and breath genealogy. I can't check my e-mail without looking at the message page, hoping there will be another piece of information or another clue to the puzzle, to the point my wife thinks I need to get help. I'm addicted to genealogy, but that's my personality. Some are busy with families, work and other interest. My wife wants to talk so I guess I need to listen and fulfill her emotional needs. Be back in 5 minutes.

Thanks David :) Ann sent some mail to me explaining the III & IV. Richard IV died young leaving no descendants. I didn't even have that particular Richard in my records. Most everyone that I correspond with always calls Richard (1710) the III, I don't know why either. Then his son David, (1747) Then David's son "Richard" the IVth... so we can keep "our" line straight. I wasn't thinking right in the first place! As we all know, everyone doesn't follow my line! I'm OK now, I promise.. =8-O They "finally" unlocked the door and took the white coat with the longs sleeves off of me too.

I find the question of "where have all the participants gone?", to be very interesting. I have not participated in WGN since last summer. The main reason for that is that I felt there were some "rather hostile" comments made to what I and others simply felt would be a good topic of discussion. After all, isn't this page for all and not just a few? If we feel we are "put down", why participate? I too, am "hooked" on genealogy and can't leave it alone, so I check in here every day even though since last summer, I have been concentrating on my Abbott family. I love my Womack research and would never give it up, have just tried other avenues. I did like the discussion on the pronunciation of WOMACK. Out here in Colorado, it is WO (whoa) MACK. My in-laws cringed when they heard that. In God's country (as my mother-in-law called Missouri), it is definately WOM(M) (as in TOM) UCK (as in tuck) or ICK. They say it both ways there. Whenever I correspond with others, I always ask how they pronounce it and the Missouri way seems to be pretty general, but my no means absolute, you know, when in Rome . . . .

Joyce, it is nice to hear from you again! I'm sorry if the earlier discussions made you feel unwelcome, and I apologize. Everyone be on your best behavior out there! We want everyone to participate! As chance would have it, Joyce, I just received a book in the mail about Cripple Creek, Colorado and the gold rush started by Bob Womack. (For those that don't know, Joyce co-authored a WGN article about Bob. I have included a link to it above.) It is Cripple Creek Bonanza by Chet Cunningham, published by Republic of Texas Press, 1996, ISBN 1-55622-399-4. You can contact the publisher at (214) 423-0090. I haven't had a chance to read much yet, as I just got it in the mail today, but it appears to be well written and chock full of history. Bob Womack is mentioned quite often. I actually bought it through an auction on eBay. I was kind of surprised to find it.

And on the subject of participation, Roger is right. Not everyone lives and breathes Womack genealogy 25 hours a day. Lord knows I lurk on more than a few email lists and message boards myself. People will post when they feel they have something to say or want to ask a question. I'd love it if all 250 WGN researchers posted a message everyday. The message page would become a huge download and I don't know if we'd be able to keep track of anyone's conversations, but hey. The WGN Message page is the beacon in the night to a lot of people. I can't tell you how many emails and compliments I get from people saying that they are impressed with this site. Not that we should be full of ourselves here, but the WGN is something special. So, I wouldn't get too excited about the number of people that post. Now don't get me started about submitting articles for the WGN...ok, too late...I realize that writing an article is even more of an investment in energy and time than just posting a message, but think about the potential here. Today, we are able to learn a lot about our Womack ancestors in large part because of the books and newsletters previously written. Just imagine if each WGN member submitted an article about their Womack family or some other topic of related Womack interest. Instead of our 140 web pages, we would have almost 400 web pages! Yowser, we'd be the largest repository for Womack information, hands down! Ok, so maybe we wouldn't beat Carlos Womack's huge tome, but it would be a wonderful start. And if I get my way, the WGN will be on the internet, or what ever may come next, for a VERY LONG time. Maybe your great-great-grandchildren will find the WGN article you write next week or your long lost cousin will find it next month. You just never know. Ray Bryan Womack, Sr. recently sent me a copy of the original membership form for the Womack Family Association back in 1957. I quote: "The purpose of the Association is to collect and preserve all pertinent data, genealogical and historical, of the Womack family in America, from the founding of the family in Virginia three hundred years ago down to the present." This is our purpose as well, except now we get to be global. Ok, I've bent your ear enough here...give it some thought. -Mark

To any of you out there who feel my comments, and attempts at enlivening the activity on WGN, have made you uncomfortable, I apologize.. And, in the future will make every attempt possible to be on good behavior when posting to WGN. I am quite zealous in researching this name of ours, but again will try to control my enthusiasism. I have some projects going now that will take some time to complete. I am also going to revise some of my pages so they are more in tune with the subject they contain. So that should give you all a breather from my "ranting and raving" here. Best of luck to all and KEEP ON SEARCHIN!!!!!

Hello, Everyone. I guess I am one of those silent participants. Mark, this IS a VERY wonderful site and I hope you are able to keep it going for a very long time. And, Sam, don't worry about offending anyone; I have never seen anything on this site which would bother anyone. (I had to quit one of my other sites because it was so rude, prejudiced and offensive) This is a good bunch of people at WGN. I have received help from several of you and appreciated it very much. I am descended from William Womack (abt 1802 NC - aft 1860 AL) marr. 1824 N.C. to Elizabeth Sheppard (abt 1803 N.C. - ?) But, there is some confusion that he may not have really been a Womack, but an Allen, who went by the name Womack, the last name of his mother's boyfriend/husband??? If that were true, why would all of his descendants have been born as Womacks? I am resisting believing that because I have been a Womack/Wommack all my life. My cousin, Pat Womack Jones, is accepting this a lot better than I am, and I have not broken this news to any of the relatives in Sevier co, Ark. yet until I am more sure. I don't think any of the rest of you are in this line? On the subject of pronunciation - I don't like the 'Whoa-mack' sound and when I was young, found that if I spelled it with 2 m's, people pronounced it 'Wom (tom) muk', which was the way I was used to hearing it in the family. See why I do not leave messages? I do not have anything intelligent to say! But I do enjoy reading what everyone else has to say, and maybe some day I will have something to contribute. Johnny Womack Case jcase@texramp.net

Sam, Mark, Roger, Ann, Markie. . .everyone on this GREAT Womack source . . all of you have helped me in some way . . and almost daily I find another good clue in my search. This is the only consistently helpful place on the web. . thanks to all of you tireless searchers. . I only hope I can be as helpful, now that I have more time, and more access to information. . . We all have our own character and we all try to contribute in some way . . to help our Womack buds. . .Thanks for the website and thanks to all! Nancy

I find it odd that David Womack(1768-1835) of Gadsden County Territory of Florida did not have a namesake. Most of his children carried family names. Is it possible that there is a David Womack,David Abraham Womack or variation(1800-1824) living in Georgia that does not have a connector? In the Pulaski co. Ga. U. S. Census of 1820 there was one male in the "David Womick" household, age 18-25 that was not identified in the study Little River Pioneers. He would have been the older son and likely named for a father or paternal grandfather. About the pronunciation of the Womack name: my family has always pronounced it Wah-muck. In fact the Pulaski Co. Census of 1820 has his name spelled WOMICK. His own gg. grandaughter who indexed this census missed his name. He was found there by looking at the original census record.

I, too, am a silent participant. I get so much out of reading what everyone else has to say. This is a marvelous site! I also check it out immediately after going on-line. I'm connected to one of the Mansel Womacks. My Mansel was married first to Sarah Rogers, and second to Mary Maria Lewis. I am descended from Mansel and Sarah. Their daughter Mary Avia Womack married first Charles Paul, and then Jim Grey. I'm looking for the grave of Mary Avia. There was talk that she was buried around Vicksburg, MS close to her son Kinchen Paul. Does anyone know anything that may help me? Rose

Mark, I will see if I can get a copy of the book on Cripple Creek as it is of special interest of mine & Linda's. Linda's newest book is out now, for those interested, you can see it on amazon.com or her web site http://216.25.32.153/joy_lynn/index.htm It is on Colorado's Pioneer Cemeteries. We don't have a lot of Womack's to research here in Colorado, but of course, Bob Womack and his family is in it. Another question; I do have some "histories" written by and about Womack ancestors. If you would like these for WGN, how do you want them? Should I just e-mail them to you? I also have a cemetery listing of Greene Co., MO that I could submit, some wills, land records, etc, from my line that I would be happy to contribute. I haven't found many people researching my particular family though, so don't know how many would be interested. Let me know. To Johnny Womack Case; you have probably already received this answer to the "Allen" question, but my records say that John Womack first married Elenor Rorie and had 4 children, when she died, he took a common law wife, Susannah ALLEN and they had at least 3 children, one of whom was William. These children of John & Susannah's seemed to have used both names, Womack & Allen, in fact, in John's will, he says; "I give unto my son William Allen, who generally goes by the name William Womack . . . I will e-mail you what I have and maybe others can fill in some also.

Does anyone have a clue who Johnson Womack was? On page 89 of the Womack Genealogy Newsletters Vol. III, NO, 1...... June 1959 . It says he was born in Goochland Co., VA ., 2 jan 1762. when called into service he lived in Burke Co., NC. Some other names in the article may have a clue to a connection.

Well I guess since alot of the other silent participants are speaking I will too. This is the first web site I check each morning. I have only posted a couple of times in here and Roger has sent me some info. But I enjoy coming in here and seeing all the Womacks that are out there. I always thought Womack was a wierd name as I was growing up. I grew up in Arkansas but my Womacks are from MS and LA. Now I see there are a whole lot of us out there and I'm VERY proud to be one. You guys keep of the good work!!!!! BTW.....for anyone new out there...I am searching for info on the Jacob Womack and Kessiah Beard line and the Albert (A,G.B) Womack line....talk to me cousins...I'm still new at this and I would love to here from ya'll if you are related or not. :O)

In a book my wife bought for me back in 1994;..."The Womack Family" It's one of those books that they solicit you to buy and is pretty worthless for research, but I have been able to connect many families in it....It list a Charles Womack born abt. 1820 sp Virginia Gore....w/ son Jesse Jackson "J.J." Womack born 1848, sp Mary Groves...w/son Fred Womack born 1880, sp Zula Kline. It says Charles was one of four brothers who homesteaded in Gentry Co., MO...Three later returned to Virginia upon the outbreak of the Civil War to join the Confederate Army, loading their families up in wagons and taking them back to Virginia. Spelling for J.J. may have been Wommach. he raised his family in the Springfield , MO area.

Hey! Back with more questions about Josiah Womack. Did Josiah (1780-ca 1850), son of William and Lucy Womack go to Tennessee with most of family or did he stay in NC with Blantons. Found a Josiah in NC that was born 1780 but wife is not named Comfort (either given or surname) otherwise, was almost sure it was him. Does anyone know the parents of Josiah Womack (b. 1780) that married Mary "Polly" Massey? They had a child named Elizabeth Stubblefield Womack in 1803 that appears to have been named for William Womack's mother (Josiah's grandmother)[William that married Lucy Womack]. The Josiah Womack in NC that married Mary Massey was born 1780 and died 1847 in NC. Folks, I really need help with this one. I'm really having trouble keeping Josiahs, Abners, and Asas separated. One final quetion. Does anyone know who the Asa Womack was in Benton County in 1840? It was not son of William and Lucy that ended up in Mississippi. This one much older--appears to have been born 1780-90.

I just finished integrating the Pinpoint search tool into the WGN web site. Now you can search for specific items on the WGN site. You can access the search tool from the WGN home page. The Pinpoint search engine is a free service, you just have to look at an ad banner with your search results. Please let me know if you like it or not. -Mark

In Re: Bill Nuss; I hope I can answer this without confusing myself....Abraham Womack, sp Elizabeth Stubblefield, had a son named Josiah born 26mar1771 who married Mary "Polly" Massey 17feb1803. They had Elizabeth born 15nov1803......Abraham, sp Elizabeth Stubblefield also had a son Named William, b. 22nov1753 who married Lucinda Womack.. (daughter of Thomas Womack sp Louvisa Rice) They had a son Josiah b. abt1780 who married Comfort. I don't have any descendants or any information on them.

Is there anyone doing Womack research in Alabama and Georgia. I have alot of missing links down there. I have noticed many postings in that area that we have been unable to connect. It's like a couple of generations fell of the planet. It would be nice if we could find a page to post all of these and maybe figure it out. Sam's work on Arkansas has been a great help.

I have been reading all the new information on the message page. I am still waiting for a response from the only remaining child of John Wesley Womack. Her name is Iris Johnson. She just celebrated her 90th birthday. Hopefully the information she can give on John Wesley Womack will be helpful to several people. I did learn through my research that he was a teacher in Illinois and that we still have his books. We are hoping that these will also shed some light on the family once we get through them all.

Mark, I just tried the new Pinpoint search tool and it is great, super great! I typed in "Abraham" just to test it and immediately it took me to all the places where the name is mentioned. This is really going to be a wonderful tool. Thanks.

In the past there has been some controversy whether the maiden name of my Jacob Womack was Wills or Cole..I finally found what I was looking for; an extract of their son Daniel's Bible Record, kept by his wife Mary Benson Womack to her death. Unfortunately the Bible was stolen by a preacher who tore the family pages from it (bible was 150 years old)an ran off to California with it. The record shows her as MARY WILLS d. Oct 3, 1845. Jacobs name alongside of hers..Also lists my GGG-GF (Daniels Bro) as dying in 1846 (yr only)..So I think that will lay to rest the controversy for good. By the way, the lady who sent me the extract was the grandaughter of Mary and Daniel, and she had personally had the bible in her possession before her mother loaned it to the preacher who took it.

To Bill Nuss: I am going to e-mail you some correspondence that I have from Billye Womack Tate, the author of "My Womacks from Virginia to Texas and Beyond..1630-1988". I can't remember if this was Billye uncovered some new information concerning Josiah who married Mary "Polly" Massey, while doing research in Virginia. Based on this new information, she plans to do a revision of her book. I am not sure when. This new information is concerning the estate settlement of William Womack and Josiah's claim to a share of it. In it, he gives his ancestry. It is too long to print here, if others would like to have me send it, let me know.

In Re: Tom Towles. I'm not sure what info you are looking for... I have Oliver Towles as the son of John W. Towles, b 1819 sp Lucinda Wilson. s/o Joseph Towles, sp, Sarah Wood. Sarah Lulu was the daughter of Samuel Marion Womack, s/o Abner Clemmons, s/o Abner, s/o Thomas sp Louvisa Rice.. John W. Towles had a sister named Sarah H. Towles who married Austin Webb. they had a daughter Mary L. Webb who married Smith J. Couch who had a daughter named Ida Couch, who married James B. Womack s/o Felix Grundy Womack, s/o Burgess Harrelson Womack, brother of Abner Clemmons Womack who was Sarah Lulu's grandfather. Oliver and Sarah's children were: Johnny, Emma, Samuel, Grady, and Arthur.