The incoming president of Mexico is right, living on a first world country is a human right. Even if we have to overwhelm and crash the system by force we'll take what's ours. We will push out trump and his racist base, they will be deplatformed, they will be without a home, our anger is greater than theirs

Quote

Trump can't fucking disband Nato, all of Europe will be in danger, russia will fucking invade the first fucking second that nato is disbanded. People will be driven from their homes, their heritage will be destroyed by Russia, entire cultures will be crushed by their war machine, we need Nato to keep the world safe and to keep the boundaries between the continents secure.

There's no way that second comment isn't a troll.

It's a good one in that to anyone sane it is obviously a troll but in the echo chamber of insanity it will be taken at face value.

On the 4th of July, large groups of Latinx people joined in on the festivities and celebrated the shithole they live in. If they can't escape the American exceptionalism propaganda, nobody can. America has invested too much time and money into promoting the idea it's the best country on the planet for it to be a properly functioning democracy any time soon. The country of rebels who broke free from limey rule, ironically, is populated almost entirely by people who cannot stomach when people question authority. It whips major ass.

It's fun to try and imagine what kind of utopia these people compare America to. They always write with such bitterness, as though they were barely scrounging up a living while starving to death in some 4th world country, enduring unfathomable torture after experiencing several traumatic events in a place ravaged by war, famine, disease, etc. The acid in their tone could dissolve even the bones of a body.

Instead you've got some blob bloated on more food than a Human could need in a lifetime kvetching between extended sessions of literally magic entertainment while residing in comfort that would make the kings and warlords of old envious. Nothing in his life is more pressing than the idea that his parents will eventually die and maybe the government won't pick up the bill, or his internet service might be disrupted for longer than a day. That's the "Hell" somebody like Koala is experiencing. Maybe in the past he had a less than perfect family and upbringing but he's long past it. He might be in his 40s, at the point where everything in his life is a direct result of his efforts or lack of them.

How do these people view things in their everyday life? Through a filter of comically exaggerated hellscapes?

Being a former shitlib and still having some shitlib friends, they envision their ideal society to be some Nordic multiculti paradise where there's UBI so that way their lives are like permanent summer vacation. Of course, that UBI better allow them to live in a trendy loft in a downtown urban metro area and have enough money to allow them to buy all the games they want but still have enough for craft beer, the latest smartphone, and their latest hauls from ohjoysextoy.com. This is all possible because kkkapitalists are hoarding trillions of dollars of cash (but it's okay if Apple, who is sitting on $200 billion in cash, does it) and it's possible to derive infinite amounts of tax revenue from the rich.

Anything less than this is tyrannical oppression and they're living in a literal hellscape.

So I'm starting to spiral downwards again despite my best efforts and before anyone jumps on me for being sad yes I am looking into getting a therapist. Though chances are the therapist is just going to laugh at me or respond with, "lol politics I dunno."

I ask you honestly, do you really think we're going to pull out of this? Every time I think maybe we might be ok the country dives even harder towards the ground. Americans want Fascism. They're craving it. They will excuse anything as long as they get it.

I'm really starting to lose it and I'm crying all the time. I tried taking a break from the news, but it didn't help.

You know I'm reminded of the Moore run of Swamp Thing where the Jackenape infests the home for mentally ill children feeding off their fear by transforming into amorphous shapes. Like one girl was deathly afraid of cancer and the creature became this centipede like flesh creature because the girl really had no concept of what cancer actually was, other than it was deadly and bad.

These people don't know what fascism is, yet they are afraid of it and anything outside of their bubble constitutes as fascism.

So I'm starting to spiral downwards again despite my best efforts and before anyone jumps on me for being sad yes I am looking into getting a therapist. Though chances are the therapist is just going to laugh at me or respond with, "lol politics I dunno."

I ask you honestly, do you really think we're going to pull out of this? Every time I think maybe we might be ok the country dives even harder towards the ground. Americans want Fascism. They're craving it. They will excuse anything as long as they get it.

I'm really starting to lose it and I'm crying all the time. I tried taking a break from the news, but it didn't help.

Remember when E/N did those mandatory precursor statements? Something like "While I realize my life is not as terrible as that of a Darfur war orphan..." followed by a post?

D&D outta have... "While I realize the DOW is up 7,000 points, the S&P is up 700 points the NASDAQ is up 2,500 points and unemployment is down almost a full percent since the Obama administration..." followed by a post.

Yeah, it was real. I was still active on SA at the time and would occasionally see somebody rip on it or quote a post that started with it. It was a real rule.

Logged

Quote from: George Lincoln Rockwell

The Conservatives have a slogan which I think is despicable and defeatist: "It's better to be dead than red." And the Commies and Liberals have a slogan which is even worse, it's treason, they say: "It's better to be red than dead." We say this: "You don't have to be Red and you don't have to be Dead. Not dead. Not Red. Dead Reds"

TBF I can see why the rule existed, the E/N mods probably got sick of "Oh woe is me, I'm not emotionally validated by my boss and parents, life is an endless hollow abyss of suffering" posts and forcing people to admit to perspective could have shamed some of them out of the more pathetic reasons to bellyache.

You know I'm reminded of the Moore run of Swamp Thing where the Jackenape infests the home for mentally ill children feeding off their fear by transforming into amorphous shapes. Like one girl was deathly afraid of cancer and the creature became this centipede like flesh creature because the girl really had no concept of what cancer actually was, other than it was deadly and bad.

These people don't know what fascism is, yet they are afraid of it and anything outside of their bubble constitutes as fascism.

mussolini's The Doctrine of Fascism essay is like 14 fucking pages and to my understanding is a pretty authoritative statement of what fascism is (ie in practice countries which were indisputably fascist weren't hugely divergent from what he set out as the theory) yet reading it is apparently too big an ask for someone who'll spend hundreds of hours of their lives decrying fascism

You know I'm reminded of the Moore run of Swamp Thing where the Jackenape infests the home for mentally ill children feeding off their fear by transforming into amorphous shapes. Like one girl was deathly afraid of cancer and the creature became this centipede like flesh creature because the girl really had no concept of what cancer actually was, other than it was deadly and bad.

These people don't know what fascism is, yet they are afraid of it and anything outside of their bubble constitutes as fascism.

mussolini's The Doctrine of Fascism essay is like 14 fucking pages and to my understanding is a pretty authoritative statement of what fascism is (ie in practice countries which were indisputably fascist weren't hugely divergent from what he set out as the theory) yet reading it is apparently too big an ask for someone who'll spend hundreds of hours of their lives decrying fascism

The Internet is handy for looking up this kind of stuff. The term "fascist" has been watered down to mean "someone I don't like" rather than the specific set of criteria you get from the original meaning. Same as "Nazi". Anyway, for everyone's reading pleasure, here is Benito Mussolini and Giovanni Gentile's essay on Fascism: http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm

The Conservatives have a slogan which I think is despicable and defeatist: "It's better to be dead than red." And the Commies and Liberals have a slogan which is even worse, it's treason, they say: "It's better to be red than dead." We say this: "You don't have to be Red and you don't have to be Dead. Not dead. Not Red. Dead Reds"

Honestly, if a person were a practitioner of violence, where would you even start with these people? They're so incredibly degen that there's nothing a person could do to adequately chastize them for their lifestyle and behavior.

Trump voters are not good people being mislead. They are bad people who are willing to hurt themselves and others for no measurable gain. Your mom will vote trump next election, or she'll vote for someone with the exact same policy positions but who is "humble" and "nice". She will not have an epiphany and suddenly vote left wing. Part of the friction in this country right now is one-half overcoming their cognitive dissonance and realizing that the other half of the country are actually just bad people. Notice I didn't use the word racist because even though that's accurate they want to hurt their own races as well. They know what certain policies will do to people in their own town, sometimes their neighbors. They are in a perpetual state of spite. Stop pretending they have no agency. Rhetoric like that has concrete outcomes and needs to be attacked on a daily basis.

Quote from: Nika

What I'm arguing is that they are actually acting rationally. (because, again, it's actually more important to them than anything else to fuck over the rest of the country as much as possible before they finally just die of opioids or whatever.)

I'm saying that it's dangerous and dismissive to call these people delusional or stupid. I don't believe they are. I think they're sadistic, evil fuckers who know exactly what they are doing, and why they are doing it.

I'm not even talking about old republicans. I'm talking about everyone on the alt right. Young, old, etc.

They have no direction, no purpose in life, and statistically they are not doing well and they know it. It's nihilism combined with sadism.

bonus: nothing more shameful than a goon son

Quote from: Rotten Red Rod

The thing that pisses me off the most is my fox-news watching former USMC dad will likely be on board for all of this because Hannity told him it's good and Trump is tough on ee-legals so it's all worth it to him anyway.

Quote from: WeAreTheRomans

Your dad is a moron and you should entirely

Quote from: Rotten Red Rod

Financial dependence. I have tried for years to earn more money but wages have stagnated for years while all my bills go up. I have no savings or retirement other than the property I will someday inherit from him.

The entire rest of the family is progressive so he hides in his room with his guns and TV. Fine by me.

As usual goons or r/politics has nothing constructive to say. When the Muller investigation goes tits up we should do I live stream on discord or something. We can watch the on air suicides live together