Alright so here it is.
I feel like mario and pokemon can handle 5 reps
As for the cuts well he did apologize beforehand (sakurai), so i think the cuts are toon link, falco, and ike.
Yea its 50 characters which is alot, (I feel like this is the last smash game imo so i'm going with 50). Although if ya wish you can cut a pokemon and take out little mac, ridley, saki, and isaac to make it 45.

Not to suggest that Ridley is too big for Smash, but people like to use Bowser & Charizard as examples of downsizing people. Here's the thing, unlike Ridley, Bowser & Charizard are not giants a majority of the time, where as Ridley always is. So it's not really resizing them and isn't as big of a representation issue as resizing Ridley. I don't know, this resize Ridley sounds like something Sakurai could do. Not would do.

And Bull Shit on using Olimar as an example, All we know is Earth is bigger than Hocatate. That doesn't mean Olimar is small. It means Earth is big. Besides Olimar's model is still roughly the same size as it's canon model is.

Not to suggest that Ridley is too big for Smash, but people like to use Bowser & Charizard as examples of downsizing people. Here's the thing, unlike Ridley, Bowser & Charizard are not giants a majority of the time, where as Ridley always is. So it's not really resizing them and isn't as big of a representation issue as resizing Ridley. I don't know, this resize Ridley sounds like something Sakurai could do. Not would do.

And Bull Shit on using Olimar as an example, All we know is Earth is bigger than Hocatate. That doesn't mean Olimar is small. It means Earth is big. Besides Olimar's model is still roughly the same size as it's canon model is.

Unless you're suggesting this is some kind of inhumanly sized Duracell battery, it's far more likely that Olimar is tiny and the Duracell battery is regular sized. Therefore, Olimar has been resized.

Example no. 2: Pokemon are size inconsistent

In this picture, Squirtle is seen as half the size of Charizard, despite the fact that within the character canon, Squirtle comes up to about Charizard's knee at most. The counterargument would be "but they're the size of their sprites rather than their canon sizes!" to which I respond, if these three are their 48x48 sprite sizes, then why aren't the Pokeball Pokemon?

Fox is twice the height of the Arwing. The Arwing is at least half it's normal size anyway, because it can't fit into the bottom of the Great Fox like it should. That means Fox is too big, the Arwing is too small, and the Great Fox even smaller. But just in case we weren't clear on this:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Peach's Castle here is at least 10 times smaller than it should be. But wait, there's more!

Captain Falcon is at least twice the height of his own vehicle. There's no way he can fit into it.

tl;dr I can provide at least a dozen more arguments if you like, but basically Sakurai cares about size about as much as I care about BluePikmin's character choices.

I honestly think, save for a few character models, Brawl looks much better than New Smash Bros.

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The exact opposite for me. Smash Bros. Wii U is the best Smash has looked since 64. Neither Melee nor Brawl really represented the characters as well as they should have. A return to simplicity and vibrancy is very welcome by me.

I think Ridley works as a boss too. I don't even want Ridley playable, but "Ridley is too big for Smash" makes about as much sense as "Mewtwo is too strong for Smash"... i.e. it doesn't.

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Size is one of the reasons he's better as a boss though, so it's somewhat valid.

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Not really though. Ridley is big because he's a boss, rather than being a boss because he's big. Case in point, Bowser has been giant in every 3D game where he's a boss - Melee Giga Bowser included. He's not a boss because he's big - he's big because he's a boss. In all of his playable roles he's been smaller. The same stands true for Ridley. He's big because he's a boss - he's not a boss because he's big. If he was playable, he'd be resized; just like playable Bowser gets resized, and just like playable K. Rool gets resized.

I think Ridley works as a boss too. I don't even want Ridley playable, but "Ridley is too big for Smash" makes about as much sense as "Mewtwo is too strong for Smash"... i.e. it doesn't.

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Size is one of the reasons he's better as a boss though, so it's somewhat valid.

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Not really though. Ridley is big because he's a boss, rather than being a boss because he's big. Case in point, Bowser has been giant in every 3D game where he's a boss - Melee Giga Bowser included. He's not a boss because he's big - he's big because he's a boss. In all of his playable roles he's been smaller. The same stands true for Ridley. He's big because he's a boss - he's not a boss because he's big. If he was playable, he'd be resized; just like playable Bowser gets resized, and just like playable K. Rool gets resized.

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You answered your own question, he's big because he's a boss. Size is a vital part to being a boss, now how many times has Ridley been a boss? And has he ever been playable in any game like K Rool and Bowser? That's why he has to be a boss, because he's mostly big.

Size is one of the reasons he's better as a boss though, so it's somewhat valid.

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Not really though. Ridley is big because he's a boss, rather than being a boss because he's big. Case in point, Bowser has been giant in every 3D game where he's a boss - Melee Giga Bowser included. He's not a boss because he's big - he's big because he's a boss. In all of his playable roles he's been smaller. The same stands true for Ridley. He's big because he's a boss - he's not a boss because he's big. If he was playable, he'd be resized; just like playable Bowser gets resized, and just like playable K. Rool gets resized.

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You answered your own question, he's big because he's a boss. Size is a vital part to being a boss, now how many times has Ridley been a boss? And has he ever been playable in any game like K Rool and Bowser? That's why he has to be a boss, because he's mostly big.

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Bowser and K. Rool were "mostly big" until they were playable. Different rules apply when you become playable. That's why the "too big" argument wouldn't be applicable even if Sakurai actually gave a fuck about size.

Not really though. Ridley is big because he's a boss, rather than being a boss because he's big. Case in point, Bowser has been giant in every 3D game where he's a boss - Melee Giga Bowser included. He's not a boss because he's big - he's big because he's a boss. In all of his playable roles he's been smaller. The same stands true for Ridley. He's big because he's a boss - he's not a boss because he's big. If he was playable, he'd be resized; just like playable Bowser gets resized, and just like playable K. Rool gets resized.

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You answered your own question, he's big because he's a boss. Size is a vital part to being a boss, now how many times has Ridley been a boss? And has he ever been playable in any game like K Rool and Bowser? That's why he has to be a boss, because he's mostly big.

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Bowser and K. Rool were "mostly big" until they were playable. Different rules apply when you become playable. That's why the "too big" argument wouldn't be applicable even if Sakurai actually gave a fuck about size.

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Did you see Bowser's size in Mario All-Stars and Mario RPG? Not exactly what I'd call "big", there was Mario 64 but that was magic.
And K. Rool has been in some DK spin-offs I believe, compared to Ridley who only has one NES game where he wasn't that big.

Not to suggest that Ridley is too big for Smash, but people like to use Bowser & Charizard as examples of downsizing people. Here's the thing, unlike Ridley, Bowser & Charizard are not giants a majority of the time, where as Ridley always is. So it's not really resizing them and isn't as big of a representation issue as resizing Ridley. I don't know, this resize Ridley sounds like something Sakurai could do. Not would do.

And Bull Shit on using Olimar as an example, All we know is Earth is bigger than Hocatate. That doesn't mean Olimar is small. It means Earth is big. Besides Olimar's model is still roughly the same size as it's canon model is.

Unless you're suggesting this is some kind of inhumanly sized Duracell battery, it's far more likely that Olimar is tiny and the Duracell battery is regular sized. Therefore, Olimar has been resized.

Example no. 2: Pokemon are size inconsistent

In this picture, Squirtle is seen as half the size of Charizard, despite the fact that within the character canon, Squirtle comes up to about Charizard's knee at most. The counterargument would be "but they're the size of their sprites rather than their canon sizes!" to which I respond, if these three are their 48x48 sprite sizes, then why aren't the Pokeball Pokemon?

Fox is twice the height of the Arwing. The Arwing is at least half it's normal size anyway, because it can't fit into the bottom of the Great Fox like it should. That means Fox is too big, the Arwing is too small, and the Great Fox even smaller. But just in case we weren't clear on this:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Peach's Castle here is at least 10 times smaller than it should be. But wait, there's more!

Captain Falcon is at least twice the height of his own vehicle. There's no way he can fit into it.

tl;dr I can provide at least a dozen more arguments if you like, but basically Sakurai cares about size about as much as I care about BluePikmin's character choices.

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1. I don't think you understood the Olimar thing. How can you prove that our planet isn't giant and that Olimar is normal size? You can prove that as much as you can prove that Earth is normal size and Olimar is just small. You should see this:

2. Why are we comparing Characters to inanimate objects? That's a completely different story.

3. Squirtle is just BARELY bigger in Brawl so that's a bad example, dude.

You answered your own question, he's big because he's a boss. Size is a vital part to being a boss, now how many times has Ridley been a boss? And has he ever been playable in any game like K Rool and Bowser? That's why he has to be a boss, because he's mostly big.

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Bowser and K. Rool were "mostly big" until they were playable. Different rules apply when you become playable. That's why the "too big" argument wouldn't be applicable even if Sakurai actually gave a fuck about size.

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Did you see Bowser's size in Mario All-Stars and Mario RPG? Not exactly what I'd call "big", there was Mario 64 but that was magic.
And K. Rool has been in some DK spin-offs I believe, compared to Ridley who only has one NES game where he wasn't that big.

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Bowser is still at least 4x Mario's regular size in Mario All-Stars.

Also SMRPG proves my point. Bowser is playable in it. Bowser is smaller in it. See the pattern here? Canon size be damned, if a character is playable in a spinoff (and last time I checked Smash Bros. isn't canon), their size is far, far smaller than if they were a boss.

Bowser and K. Rool were "mostly big" until they were playable. Different rules apply when you become playable. That's why the "too big" argument wouldn't be applicable even if Sakurai actually gave a fuck about size.

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Did you see Bowser's size in Mario All-Stars and Mario RPG? Not exactly what I'd call "big", there was Mario 64 but that was magic.
And K. Rool has been in some DK spin-offs I believe, compared to Ridley who only has one NES game where he wasn't that big.

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Bowser is still at least 4x Mario's regular size in Mario All-Stars.

Also SMRPG proves my point. Bowser is playable in it. Bowser is smaller in it. See the pattern here? Canon size be damned, if a character is playable in a spinoff (and last time I checked Smash Bros. isn't canon), their size is far, far smaller than if they were a boss.

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He's not that big...
And you're missing my point, Bowser has been playable before. K Rool has been playable before. But Ridley hasn't, that's why it makes more sense to have him as a boss, and essentially he's big because he's a boss(like you said), so size is in a way linked to this.

Did you see Bowser's size in Mario All-Stars and Mario RPG? Not exactly what I'd call "big", there was Mario 64 but that was magic.
And K. Rool has been in some DK spin-offs I believe, compared to Ridley who only has one NES game where he wasn't that big.

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Bowser is still at least 4x Mario's regular size in Mario All-Stars.

Also SMRPG proves my point. Bowser is playable in it. Bowser is smaller in it. See the pattern here? Canon size be damned, if a character is playable in a spinoff (and last time I checked Smash Bros. isn't canon), their size is far, far smaller than if they were a boss.

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He's not that big...
And you're missing my point, Bowser has been playable before. K Rool has been playable before. But Ridley hasn't, that's why it makes more sense to have him as a boss, and essentially he's big because he's a boss(like you said), so size is in a way linked to this.

I'm not saying Ridley can't be downsized, I'm just saying that you guys use really shitty comparisons and examples.

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What are we supposed to compare him too?

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Apparently, nothing. Any examples of size inconsistency within Smash Bros. are unusable... for some reason.

By the way guys, just drop it. I know you're just playing Devil's Advocate, but you know as well as I do that arguing for Ridley being too big makes about as much sense as arguing for Nintendog to be playable.

1. I don't think you understood the Olimar thing. How can you prove that our planet isn't giant and that Olimar is normal size? You can prove that as much as you can prove that Earth is normal size and Olimar is just small. You should see this:

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Mario Golf. A Pikmin comes up to smaller than the size of Mario's shoe. I got your point - it was just a bogus point to make.

Also SMRPG proves my point. Bowser is playable in it. Bowser is smaller in it. See the pattern here? Canon size be damned, if a character is playable in a spinoff (and last time I checked Smash Bros. isn't canon), their size is far, far smaller than if they were a boss.

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He's not that big...
And you're missing my point, Bowser has been playable before. K Rool has been playable before. But Ridley hasn't, that's why it makes more sense to have him as a boss, and essentially he's big because he's a boss(like you said), so size is in a way linked to this.