It's not necessarily like that with the Supreme Court. They are more of a wild card, and if the issue actually makes it there and the constitutional question is equal protection, then we'll see. It is less political.

At 8/12/2010 2:09:11 PM, innomen wrote:It's not necessarily like that with the Supreme Court. They are more of a wild card, and if the issue actually makes it there and the constitutional question is equal protection, then we'll see. It is less political.

Maybe I'm just more cynical about SCOTUS than you, but I disagree. It'll vote along party lines if it ends up being defeated, just watch.

At 8/12/2010 2:09:11 PM, innomen wrote:It's not necessarily like that with the Supreme Court. They are more of a wild card, and if the issue actually makes it there and the constitutional question is equal protection, then we'll see. It is less political.

Maybe I'm just more cynical about SCOTUS than you, but I disagree. It'll vote along party lines if it ends up being defeated, just watch.

There were some recent decisions (I'm trying to remember...) i think they involved some union issues, and the decisions went opposite to what one might expect. Much depends on how it is presented. As i said, if it is strictly a law and it's constitutionality, and it is clearly not constitutional without any activism to be done in the interpretation, i can see it passing. Yeah, we'll watch...but don't hold your breath.

Lol, did you guys see the dude on CNN favoring Prop 8? The anchor asked him why, and he said "because God's against it..." just as 99% of other anti-gay marriage advocates respond. I really thought the concept of a separation between religion and public policy was taught in 3rd grade. I don't see what's so friggin hard to understand. If your argument is God, stfu. It's irrelevant to policy. Period.

Lol, did you guys see the dude on CNN favoring Prop 8? The anchor asked him why, and he said "because God's against it..." just as 99% of other anti-gay marriage advocates respond. I really thought the concept of a separation between religion and public policy was taught in 3rd grade. I don't see what's so friggin hard to understand. If your argument is God, stfu. It's irrelevant to policy. Period.

I think if the Founding Fathers were brought back to life in today's society, they'd actually commit suicide. The whole basis of American Independence was to escape religious persecution inside the laws and have a government ruled by the people not a God. But now, separation of Church and State doesn't seem to work... And we're stuck with overzealous, religious morons who keep pulling us back to the Medieval Age instead of letting the nation progress.

Lol, did you guys see the dude on CNN favoring Prop 8? The anchor asked him why, and he said "because God's against it..." just as 99% of other anti-gay marriage advocates respond. I really thought the concept of a separation between religion and public policy was taught in 3rd grade. I don't see what's so friggin hard to understand. If your argument is God, stfu. It's irrelevant to policy. Period.

I think if the Founding Fathers were brought back to life in today's society, they'd actually commit suicide. The whole basis of American Independence was to escape religious persecution inside the laws and have a government ruled by the people not a God. But now, separation of Church and State doesn't seem to work... And we're stuck with overzealous, religious morons who keep pulling us back to the Medieval Age instead of letting the nation progress.

They may kill themselves over the fact that women are in politics or that gay people can marry. I think that the SOCS would not be the first thing they would want to kill themselves over.

Lol, did you guys see the dude on CNN favoring Prop 8? The anchor asked him why, and he said "because God's against it..." just as 99% of other anti-gay marriage advocates respond. I really thought the concept of a separation between religion and public policy was taught in 3rd grade. I don't see what's so friggin hard to understand. If your argument is God, stfu. It's irrelevant to policy. Period.

I think if the Founding Fathers were brought back to life in today's society, they'd actually commit suicide. The whole basis of American Independence was to escape religious persecution inside the laws and have a government ruled by the people not a God. But now, separation of Church and State doesn't seem to work... And we're stuck with overzealous, religious morons who keep pulling us back to the Medieval Age instead of letting the nation progress.

They may kill themselves over the fact that women are in politics or that gay people can marry. I think that the SOCS would not be the first thing they would want to kill themselves over.

I wasn't talking about just Gay rights. Looking at society today, we are still ruled by Christianity. Religion affects EVERYTHING. And that's the opposite of the Founding Father's intentions. It's pathetic...

Lol, did you guys see the dude on CNN favoring Prop 8? The anchor asked him why, and he said "because God's against it..." just as 99% of other anti-gay marriage advocates respond. I really thought the concept of a separation between religion and public policy was taught in 3rd grade. I don't see what's so friggin hard to understand. If your argument is God, stfu. It's irrelevant to policy. Period.

I think if the Founding Fathers were brought back to life in today's society, they'd actually commit suicide. The whole basis of American Independence was to escape religious persecution inside the laws and have a government ruled by the people not a God. But now, separation of Church and State doesn't seem to work... And we're stuck with overzealous, religious morons who keep pulling us back to the Medieval Age instead of letting the nation progress.

They may kill themselves over the fact that women are in politics or that gay people can marry. I think that the SOCS would not be the first thing they would want to kill themselves over.

I wasn't talking about just Gay rights. Looking at society today, we are still ruled by Christianity. Religion affects EVERYTHING. And that's the opposite of the Founding Father's intentions. It's pathetic...

At 8/12/2010 4:02:16 PM, annhasle wrote:I wasn't talking about just Gay rights. Looking at society today, we are still ruled by Christianity. Religion affects EVERYTHING. And that's the opposite of the Founding Father's intentions. It's pathetic...

The Separation of Church and State was basically the sentiment that the U.S. could not pass any law mandating a specific religion, or create a law requiring it (the government's imposition of what religion everyone must be). However, God is cited as the giver of rights in the Declaration of Independence, and nearly all founding fathers were religious. They'd certainly be up in arms about our country today, but like comon said, I'm not sure this would be the biggest of their concerns...

At 8/12/2010 4:06:31 PM, wjmelements wrote:Lwerd should invite us all to her wedding. That'd be good for a DDO Party.

I'm pretty sure I'll invite a bunch of people from ddo for the hell of it lol... it would be fitting, given how Vi and I met, no? You're invited. You can bring a date as long as it's a girl. I don't want any homos stealing my thunder on the big day.

At 8/12/2010 4:09:42 PM, theLwerd wrote:I'm pretty sure I'll invite a bunch of people from ddo for the hell of it lol... it would be fitting, given how Vi and I met, no? You're invited. You can bring a date as long as it's a girl. I don't want any homos stealing my thunder on the big day.

Even if I did have a girlfriend or prospective date at that time, I doubt I would bring her. "Hey babe, wanna go to California for a marriage between some lesbians I met over the internet?" Wouldn't go over well I imagine.

At 8/12/2010 4:09:42 PM, theLwerd wrote:I'm pretty sure I'll invite a bunch of people from ddo for the hell of it lol... it would be fitting, given how Vi and I met, no? You're invited. You can bring a date as long as it's a girl. I don't want any homos stealing my thunder on the big day.

Even if I did have a girlfriend or prospective date at that time, I doubt I would bring her. "Hey babe, wanna go to California for a marriage between some lesbians I met over the internet?" Wouldn't go over well I imagine.