There will be some blind, devoted, and delusional followers of Canova until he is caught. We've seen this before, historically, and we will see it again when he falls. Just as Lance, Marion, Tim, and others have had God-like followers who are committed to believing in them and their word, Canova has the same.

At this point, Canova, you come across as someone who will never admit what we all know until you are caught. You are no different from Lance in my opinion and a lot of folks here on the boards share these feelings. Many have remained quiet out of fear of getting their post deleted, being banned, or just not wanting to respond to the negative feedback/bashing from others. But, I have said it before and will say it again: not only are you extremely suspicious to me, but I believe you are one of the main ring-leaders who have direct involvement with doping in Kenya and other East African nations. You exploit their conditions and needs, using it for your own financial gain. You don't care about their long-term health, profit off their fraudulent success, and travel the world about how your "special" knowledge of training has contributed to their success. PED's does help the top athletes. In fact, it helps all athletes. And as sure as the other frauds have come falling over the years, you will as well. Get your law team on stand-by.

Nappy Roots wrote:There will be some blind, devoted, and delusional followers of Canova until he is caught. We've seen this before, historically, and we will see it again when he falls. Just as Lance, Marion, Tim, and others have had God-like followers who are committed to believing in them and their word, Canova has the same.

At this point, Canova, you come across as someone who will never admit what we all know until you are caught. You are no different from Lance in my opinion and a lot of folks here on the boards share these feelings. Many have remained quiet out of fear of getting their post deleted, being banned, or just not wanting to respond to the negative feedback/bashing from others. But, I have said it before and will say it again: not only are you extremely suspicious to me, but I believe you are one of the main ring-leaders who have direct involvement with doping in Kenya and other East African nations. You exploit their conditions and needs, using it for your own financial gain. You don't care about their long-term health, profit off their fraudulent success, and travel the world about how your "special" knowledge of training has contributed to their success. PED's does help the top athletes. In fact, it helps all athletes. And as sure as the other frauds have come falling over the years, you will as well. Get your law team on stand-by.

You disgust me.

How about you make a cogent argument based on science to refute the points you disagree with? Because as it stands, your position sounds a lot like, "I don't understand it, so I don't buy it."

Renato Canova wrote:Renato Canova is here, and doesn't hide himself behind a finger, like the most part of people in Letsrun.The fact some athlete can use doping doesn't mean this can work for the top runners.I explained several times that, with the specific attitude and the physiological qualities of the top runners, EPO doesn't give any advantage, and I continue to support this thesis, also if can seem I'm a ignorant or a cheater.

The idea that an athlete could naturally produce blood qualities that Epo could not improve upon strikes me as possible in theory.

Renato Canova wrote:EPO DOESN'T HELP TOP KENYAN ATHLETES.

This seems like a giant and improbably leap of faith to me. Disclaimer: I am a scientist, but not a physiologist and not a coach. So I trust that you know far, far more about this than I do. But you haven't even given any reason for me to believe that an athlete who didn't quite have the ability or work ethic to be a top Kenyan athlete couldn't *become* a top Kenyan athlete with the help of Epo.

If I missed it, could you indulge me and explain why that wouldn't be possible? If it is possible, particularly in light of recently confirmed allegations about Kenyan drug use by athletes who would be considered quite elite by American standards, I think it's unlikely that all top Kenyan athletes are drug-free.

It wouldn't surprise me at all, however, if drug use is less common among top Kenyan athletes than it is among top Americans.

And whether you are right or wrong about this speculation, I continue to rate you as the single most informative coach on the internet.

Yeah, it tells us that the marathon is finally approaching parity with track events. I don't think 2:04 is intrinsically better than 12:45-12:50 5ks, which guys still run on the rare occasion that they run an evenly paced 5k.

yyy wrote:namely the flux of talent away from the track and to the roads. why? $$$$$

The best track runners do not go to the marathon for a good reason - and it is also money. If you are the best on the track you make a pile of money.

Do you think these 2.04 marathoners - most of whom do not win the major marathons - could win the 1500 or the 5000 or the 10,000? Of course not.

The fact is, the dopers are a bit more reticent than they were in the 90's and early to mid 2000s. Things are getting a little tighter. The Olympics showed that. (With the glaring exception of the US women sprinters. Puhleazze.)

Yeah, it tells us that the marathon is finally approaching parity with track events. I don't think 2:04 is intrinsically better than 12:45-12:50 5ks, which guys still run on the rare occasion that they run an evenly paced 5k.

People will focus efforts where money is made. The time trial marathons have changed the meaning of times. Now the 2:04 gets these guys appearance fees and.a shot at WMM. For what it is worth, the Dubai 2012 heros blew up in the Olympics. ETH may have been better of with marsthon racers.

Also, those who are willing to cheat also focus more on where money is made. All top countries have runners who dope, including the US. Kenya and Ethiopia need to address their issues.

I can't understand RCs arguments. It seems unlikely to be valid and it is very hard to tell when someone meets his definition of top athlete. It see,s like the problem is eliminated by definition.