On what basis do you say that? I thought (according to you lot)
immaterial Intelligent Designers existed and could move physical objects (e.g. DNA) whereas evolution does nothing as it’s just an after the fact assessment.

The point is that here we have prima facie evidence of an unseen force moving physical objects, exactly as ID proposes, and you reject that explanation!

To the believers, is it possibly a real video or must it have been faked?

Don’t know, don’t care. I saw a ghost once with my own eyes. Hope I never see one again.

I don’t believe most ghost stories, but I saw a ghost once, it wasn’t an optical illusion outside of my body since it didn’t happen in an environment amenable to optical illusions. The best explanation, naturalistically might be something akin to Charles Bonnet syndrome:

But I have none of the pathologies that would suggest I’m inclined to such things. Still that would be the best naturalistic explanation. At some point one has to decide if what one saw was real or an illusion. After studying more science, I’m inclined to believe ghost and miracles are rare, but real.

I believe in some psychic phenomenon, although I think James Randi has proven it can’t be on demand, and it is rare. If psychic phenomenon were able to be invoked on demand, one could over-run the stock market or obliterate casinos or work industrial and military espionage to great effect. But since that doesn’t happen, I don’t think psychic phenomenon is on demand, so it doesn’t pay to hire psychics…

Ghosts are creepy, that’s why I like science better. But I think ghosts are real. Since physicists occasionally talk about necessity of a dis-embodied intelligence based on quantum mechanics, it seems perfectly reasonable on theoretical grounds at least that spirits can exist.

The necessity of something other than the material world is suggested by the quantum enigma since the regress of quantum collapse can be successfully terminated if one postulates non-material entities.

The von Neumann–Wigner interpretation, also described as “consciousness causes collapse [of the wave function]”, is an interpretation of quantum mechanics in which consciousness is postulated to be necessary for the completion of the process of quantum measurement.

I provided a links to the von Neumann-Wigner interpretation of quantum mechanics and a link to the 2005 article in the prestigious scientific journal Nature that suggests dis-embodied intelligence. You won’t find ghosts explicitly mentioned, but one can connect the dots if one is willing.

As far as the video, I presume it was faked. Why would anyone who has had a actual encounter want to relive it?

I also lend more credibility to stories that aren’t advertised widely.

The former head of Harvard Medical School department of Psychiatry, John Mack researched UFO Abductions. This was on NOVA/PBS. I regard his testimony highly over random youtubes. But his descriptions of the abductions sound like demonic activity, if one is willing to see things from a different perspective:

MACK: When I first encountered this phenomenon, or particularly even before I had actually seen the people themselves, I had very little place in my mind to take this seriously. I, like most of us, were raised to believe that if we were going to discover other intelligence, we’d do it through radio waves or through signals or something of that kind.

The idea that we could be reached by some other kind of being, creature, intelligence that could actually enter our world and have physical effects as well as emotional effects, was simply not part of the world view that I had been raised in. So that I came very reluctantly to the conclusion that this was a true mystery. In other words, that I—I did everything I could to rule out other sources, or sexual abuse. Some of these people are abused. But they’re able to tell, distinguish clearly the abduction trauma from other forms of abuse. Some forms of psychosis or people making up stories—I could reject that on the basis that there was no gain in this for the vast majority of these people.

I’ve now worked with over a hundred experiencers intensively. Which involves an initial two-hour or so screening interview before I do anything else. And in case after case after case, I’ve been impressed with the consistency of the story, the sincerity with which people tell their stories, the power of feelings connected with this, the self-doubt—all the appropriate responses that these people have to their experiences.
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People, in fact, have been observed to be missing at the time that they are reporting their abduction experiences. They return from their experiences with cuts, ulcers on their bodies, triangular lesions, which follow the distribution of the experiences that they recover, of what was done to them in the craft by the surgical-like activity of these beings.

That said, one can decide for himself if this account is credible since the authors don’t have John Mack’s credentials:

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. – Imagine that alien abduction experiences and demons are equally real.
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The similarity between the abduction experience and demonic possession is very, very close,” says Joe Jordan of Cocoa, Brevard/Volusia state director for the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON), a widely respected clearinghouse for UFO-related research. “These (alien contact) experiences these people are having are real. It does exist. But you just need to understand what’s doing it.” Jordan and his partner, Wes Clark, have begun a research group called CE-4 (close encounters of the fourth kind, i.e. abductions), dedicated to studying alleged alien abductions. Its 15 members also belong to MUFON, but “nothing we do is necessarily sanctioned by them,” says Clark, a quality control engineer at Kennedy Space Center. MUFON principals did not respond to inquiries about CE-4’s unusual hypothesis, summarized by Jordan: “This whole thing is spiritual warfare. And the method the enemy’s using is deception. Strong deception.” In other words, entities really are abducting people against their will. Only, they’re not aliens from other planets. They’re demons from the pit of hell. Stop in the name of … Joe Jordan is addressing a “New Millenium Symposium” in Titusville. With his intense brown eyes and shoulder-length hair, he mingles easily with New Age folks who paid $44 to study pyramids, Mayan dreamspells, Lakota prophecies, and to hear Jordan’s talk about “UFO Abductions.” Jordan, who works in product development and engineering for Sea Ray Boats, speaks calmly, his voice firm, with good grammar and diction. Kooks don’t get to be state directors with science-oriented MUFON, for whom he has chased lights for seven years.

stcordova: I provided a links to the von Neumann-Wigner interpretation of quantum mechanics and a link to the 2005 article in the prestigious scientific journal Nature that suggests dis-embodied intelligence.You won’t find ghosts explicitly mentioned, but one can connect the dots if one is willing.

Shorter Sal : “I can twist anything no matter how woo-filled to make it support my preconceived beliefs.”

FMM,
Quite. But that’s exactly what is being asked of “evolutionists”. Demonstrate that extant proteins arose without intelligent intervention! Demonstrate that an intelligent designer did not push those objects off!

I believe in some psychic phenomenon, although I think James Randi has proven it can’t be on demand, and it is rare. If psychic phenomenon were able to be invoked on demand, one could over-run the stock market or obliterate casinos or work industrial and military espionage to great effect. But since that doesn’t happen, I don’t think psychic phenomenon is on demand, so it doesn’t pay to hire psychics…

If it were on demand, there would be no reason to stop at 1 million dollar challenge would there, since the stock market can be taken with that kind of ability….

But when you die, if I’m right, the question will be settled permanently for you.

OMagain:

Odd how “connecting the dots” never rises to the level of something actionable.

There will be a day of reckoning. I respect that we never have all the facts we want, but I do have the satisfaction one day the issue could be permanently settled for you when your dead.

If I’m wrong, I have no worries, a million years from now I won’t even be around to care, and you won’t even be around to gloat.

But if I’m right, oh well, too bad for you. You ready to take that bet?