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xaraan wrote:And yes, every time that happens, they do stupid shit like kill people off randomly, cut off arms, have people missing eyes, etc. because it's not permanent..

here's where you lose meAoA, Mutant X, and other examples I can't think of right now, were fantastic alt reality stories well worth the temporary feel

the problem with AU is that unlike AoA or Mutant X, the readers are not given enough time or reasons to actually care about the atl versions and they are not all that interesting when compared to the "real" versions. This isn't just temporary its lazy and worthless even as entertainment.

You didn't say that, you just got way more specific lol. And having to know exactly which hero would do what doesn't change any point I made.

Yes, before I read issue one, I knew this story would be about alternate dimension/timeline hopping crap. And yes, every time that happens, they do stupid shit like kill people off randomly, cut off arms, have people missing eyes, etc. because it's not permanent.

What I meant was, this story changed direction drastically with #6, you can't claim you knew that, so you can't claim that people who like this issue only like it because they decided they would ages ago. I had no idea there would be an 'Age Of Morgana Le Fay', but I still like it.

I think the difference between people who like/dislike the event are just some people are happy seeing cool scenes and new ideas that they know won't stick around whereas some people are jaded with the idea of a "Age of Morgana Le Fay"

There's nothing wrong with either of those things, but I think that's just the main difference. Different strokes

GHERU wrote:here's where you lose meAoA, Mutant X, and other examples I can't think of right now, were fantastic alt reality stories well worth the temporary feel

the problem with AU is that unlike AoA or Mutant X, the readers are not given enough time or reasons to actually care about the atl versions and they are not all that interesting when compared to the "real" versions. This isn't just temporary its lazy and worthless even as entertainment.

Punchy wrote:I don't think anyone knew before #1 came out that Wolverine would travel back in time to kill Hank Pym, causing a House Of M style situation. If you say you thought that... you're bullshitting.

Hell, before #1 we didn't know that Ultron would kill so many heroes.

Know we figured out Wolverine would go back in time after issue 1 when the solicit for 4 came out.

doombug wrote:You really are the george carlin of the outhouse. that's fucking hilarious.

doombug wrote:and yeah, Yoni called it.

I feel like a condemned building with a brand new flag pole.- Les Paul

Punchy wrote:What I meant was, this story changed direction drastically with #6, you can't claim you knew that, so you can't claim that people who like this issue only like it because they decided they would ages ago. I had no idea there would be an 'Age Of Morgana Le Fay', but I still like it.

I didn't claim I knew it was changing direction, but I knew it was going to be dealing with alt times/dimensions/whatever. How the fuck else were they going to fix the world and bring everyone back that they've killed? Which is exactly what they've done, the only direction they changed was they actually got on with that story and quit dragging out the ultron future that they wasted four issues with.

Grayson wrote:Are people upset about the concept of the story though? Most of the complaints that I have seen about the Age of Ultron have been about the lack of Ulton, the horrible pacing of the story, the morality of the choices that the characters have been making, and/or the price per issue. I don't know that anybody has really been complaining about the concept of a story where Ultron finally wins.

Personally, I am loving this, despite the pace (it gives me war flashbacks of House of M, which was my least fave during the Age of Bendis, to borrow a line; and it reminds me of the whole year of college it took to get through Civil War thankyouverymuchdelays). Still, I'm enjoying this.

I would have liked some time spent on Ultron and Pym interacting, perhaps as they both watch from the future as Ultron judges humanity, but alas. As it stands now, it's a very enjoyable story. And as I have not read the original Ultron story which the OP so nicely posted, I found Ultron-1's babytalk....very creepy. Very, brilliantly, very creepy.

vinnypic wrote:War is necessary. Cops are necessary. One is a necessary evil. one is a necessary force of good. failure to grasp that distinction means you're a high functioning retard.

And I love that Pym literally just sat there as the Wolverines talked their way through time travel, paradoxes, killing Pym himself, and Ultron. Such an overlookable moment, but probably Pym's best: he's a scientist and he's with two time travellers that shouldn't be, and he's soaking it all in. It's just cool

vinnypic wrote:War is necessary. Cops are necessary. One is a necessary evil. one is a necessary force of good. failure to grasp that distinction means you're a high functioning retard.

TheSecondLex wrote:Personally, I am loving this, despite the pace (it gives me war flashbacks of House of M, which was my least fave during the Age of Bendis, to borrow a line; and it reminds me of the whole year of college it took to get through Civil War thankyouverymuchdelays). Still, I'm enjoying this.

I would have liked some time spent on Ultron and Pym interacting, perhaps as they both watch from the future as Ultron judges humanity, but alas. As it stands now, it's a very enjoyable story. And as I have not read the original Ultron story which the OP so nicely posted, I found Ultron-1's babytalk....very creepy. Very, brilliantly, very creepy.

i blame the generation gap. you're just no longer tuned into what's hip and cool anymore thus anything groundbreaking or revolutionary like bendis's work just seems wrong to you because he's daring to break the mould and move past that stagnant stale setting you grew up reading to give us smarter, more intricate and deeper writing than we've ever seen before.

like i said, the man is a revolutionary for how he's managed to stay consistent and fresh for almost a decade on the avengers by constantly trying something new and exploring storytelling from so many different sides.

when people listen to criticism like yours about respecting continuity and things like that it ends up with something like DC pre DCnU.....and now as we can see they're basically reliving the 90's after they tried oh so hard to break the 70's/80's-cross-dark-and-edgy tribute phase that geoff johns and didio put them through during the 2000's.

therefore bendis is saving us from those sort of stories aka the stories your kind of fan wants because the alternative is enough to kill the book side of the industry.