Key to that notion of expression is that it must reflect the user's preference, not the preference of some institutional or network-imposed mechanism outside the user's control. Although some controlled network environments, such as public access terminals or managed corporate intranets, might impose restrictions on the use or configuration of installed user agents, such that a user might only have access to user agents with a predetermined preference enabled,

17:13:27 [fielding]

user is at least able to choose whether to make use of those user agents. In contrast, if a user brings their own Web-enabled device to a library or cafe with wireless Internet access, the expectation will be that their chosen user agent and personal preferences regarding Web site behavior will not be altered by the network environment, aside from blanket limitations on what sites can or cannot be accessed through that network.

17:13:59 [npdoty]

q+

17:14:03 [tl]

FINE BY ME

17:14:06 [WileyS]

Like it

17:14:08 [tl]

excuse me: fine by me

17:14:08 [aleecia]

(Rigo?)

17:14:46 [jeffchester2]

Q+Jeff Chester

17:14:48 [ksmith]

+1

17:14:52 [npdoty]

ack npdoty

17:15:03 [rigo]

fine by me, as the HTTP spec allows us to make that assertion and requirement, see tlr's message

17:15:05 [rigo]

q+

17:15:08 [dsriedel]

@ChrisPedigo: you only write the aaoo when you want to identify to zakim

> Frequency Capping - A form of historical tracking to ensure the number of times a user sees the same ad is kept to a minimum.

17:45:09 [aleecia]

> Financial Logging - Ad impressions and clicks (and sometimes conversions) events are tied to financial transactions (this is how online advertising is billed) and therefore must be collected and stored for billing and auditing purposes.

17:46:22 [Zakim]

+Joseph_Scheuhammer

17:46:44 [npdoty]

q+

17:46:50 [aleecia]

ack npdoty

17:46:56 [aleecia]

(need more sleep)

17:47:49 [fielding]

q+

17:47:49 [aleecia]

so to add to minutes: Jeff's concern is mostly about information use, that data collected for these uses not be mixed

The DNT:1 header does not require special treatment for children because DNT:1 means

18:18:34 [aleecia]

no tracking regardless of whether the user is a child or not. Note that operator handling of children's

18:18:34 [aleecia]

data may also be governed by local laws and regulations, such as COPPA in US.

18:18:53 [Zakim]

- +1.202.643.aamm

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18:19:24 [JC]

How do you know it is a child without tracking?

18:19:26 [jeffchester2]

q+

18:19:45 [aleecia]

ack jeffchester

18:19:57 [dsinger]

…if you know you have a child in hand, you can do child-specific targeting and advertising.

18:20:13 [aleecia]

Jeff's text: "that even when a DNT signal is not on, a website that knowingly primarily targets a child should assume its DNT:1 unless informed otherwise. Same for sites that specifically primarily target teens." See details of our discussion below.

18:20:22 [dsinger]

…maybe it's better if no-one knows if you are a dog|policeman|child ...

18:20:46 [Zakim]

-??P57

18:21:00 [fielding]

q+

18:21:25 [tl]

+q

18:21:42 [aleecia]

ack fielding

18:21:46 [ChrisPedigo]

US COPPA law doesn't kick in unless you have "actual knowledge" that user is a child

18:22:03 [ChrisPedigo]

doesn't apply broadly to all kid-directed sites

18:22:30 [johnsimpson]

mute me

18:22:34 [efelten]

Doesn't COPPA have a notion of sites that are "directed to children" and therefore covered?

18:22:42 [npdoty]

Zakim, mute johnsimpson

18:22:42 [Zakim]

johnsimpson was already muted, npdoty

18:22:45 [jeffchester2]

Yes, I am saying that cites that specificlaly target kids, they are required to enact DNT, unless requested

18:22:49 [Joanne]

yes to Ed

18:23:12 [tedleung]

q+

18:23:13 [johnsimpson]

thanks, rigo

18:23:14 [aleecia]

ack tl

18:24:19 [fielding]

to be clear, I would personally support such regulation -- it just isn't a W3C issue

18:24:25 [aleecia]

ack tedleung

18:24:47 [amyc]

agree with tom, generic technical spec could be tool to be used by regulators or self-reg such as CARU

18:25:12 [jeffchester2]

+q

18:26:03 [tl]

+1

18:26:03 [andyzei]

+1

18:26:04 [ChrisPedigo]

+1

18:26:05 [amyc]

+1

18:26:09 [dsriedel]

+1

18:26:10 [tedleung]

+1

18:26:11 [jeffchester2]

-1

18:26:13 [Joanne]

+1

18:26:14 [BrianTs]

+1

18:26:17 [dsinger]

-1 (but later)

18:26:19 [npdoty]

-1 (fine with non-normative on best practices)

18:26:24 [KevinT]

-1

18:26:24 [JC]

+1

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18:26:26 [johnsimpson]

-1

18:26:27 [eberkower]

+1

18:26:28 [punderwood]

+1

18:26:29 [fielding]

arch, is that a triple-negative?

18:26:31 [fielding]

+1

18:26:31 [Lia]

+1

18:26:33 [alex_]

+1

18:26:53 [rigo]

+1

18:27:00 [aleecia]

ack jeffchester

18:27:34 [tl]

+q

18:27:44 [aleecia]

ack tl

18:27:53 [ChrisPedigo]

very hard to differentiate between teen and early adult....some would say impossible

18:27:56 [dsinger]

q+ to say that linking population classes to required behavior is a regulatory issue, not ours, I think

18:28:13 [jeffchester2]

I am talking about teen targeted sites only.

18:28:25 [ChrisPedigo]

again very hard

18:28:33 [ChrisPedigo]

tmz.com?

18:28:35 [amyc]

we should have non-normative text to get tl a pony

18:28:44 [tl]

^_______^

18:29:03 [jeffchester2]

Use comscore's list of what prime target is. that's what we did with our OBA and kids site study

18:29:16 [tl]

fielding, victory is mine! i take the analogy, and get a pony from amyc!

18:29:26 [andyzei]

lol

18:29:30 [amyc]

wait a moment!

18:29:44 [ChrisPedigo]

anecdotally speaking, every teen wants to read what the 22 year olds are reading!