1 Timothy 2:3-4 ...God our Savior; Who will have all men to be saved...John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

IMO that means host of heaven and host of earth.Then host almost sounds like "inhabitants"

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1 Timothy 2:3-4 ...God our Savior; Who will have all men to be saved...John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

I find this very interesting and powerful, but I must ask, is Dr. Strong in error when he gives his meaning?createdH1254 (H853) He shows it coupledwith created, but still it is את ayth (not ath) H853 את ayth H226 in the demonstrative sense of entity; properly selfH226 אות 'ôth H225 (in the sense of appearing); a signal (literally or figuratively), as a flag, beacon, monument, omen, prodigy, evidence, etc.: - mark, miracle, (en-) sign, tokenH225 אוּת 'ûth A primitive root; properly to come, that is, (impliedly) to assent: - consent.I found the meaning of male interesting sometime ago, but with that little word "ath-ayth" it has yet more to give.I may be going wrong, any help would ne nice. I find your "fourth word find" very enlightening! Male H2145 (Gen.1:27) zâkâr From H2142; properly remembered, that is, a maleH2142 zâkar A primitive root; properly to mark (so as to be recognized), that is, to rememberI also found the meaning of the word "beginning" very interesting as it fills in the strenght of Col.1:17 for meanyway.Beginning H7225 rê'shı̂yth the first; (specifically a firstfruit; beginning, chief (-est), first (-fruits)(ICor. 15:20 and 23 Christ the firstfruits)Peace and Love Through Jesus

Here's another interesting thought for you on firstfruits; since beginning means firstfruits, you could read it this way....

In the firstfruits, God created the heaven/spirit and the earth/soul. Earth is feminine in nature because it takes the seed, and as such mirrors the soul.

And if you "take it up a notch", in the firstfruits that is Christ, God created the heaven (a new Spirit) and the earth (a virgin soul). Blessings...

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"I would rather train twenty men to pray, than a thousand to preach; A minister's highest mission ought to be to teach his people to pray." -H. MacGregor

1Jn 5:7 And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth. 1Jn 5:8 For there are three who bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and the three agree in one. (ASV)

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. (KJV)

Do you see the difference ? Peace and Love Through Jesus

Excellent, that's what I mean. There is holy ghost in heaven and also spirit on the Earth.and Adam was Earth, spirit and blood.But the second adam is (lord from heaven)Father, the word and holy ghost, who now gives us a spirit of adoption (the holy ghost who contains the father, son) that we may also be the sons of the most high God.

Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen the father also.

As believers we are made in the heavanly image, no longer of the earth (spirit,water and blood), but are as the angels of heaven(Father, word Holy ghost), but Jesus said do not take them from the world, but keep them here that they may believe on me.

1Jn 5:7 And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth. 1Jn 5:8 For there are three who bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and the three agree in one. (ASV)

1Jn 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. 1Jn 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. (KJV)

Do you see the difference ? Peace and Love Through Jesus

Excellent, that's what I mean. There is holy ghost in heaven and also spirit on the Earth.and Adam was Earth, spirit and blood.But the second adam is (lord from heaven)Father, the word and holy ghost, who now gives us a spirit of adoption (the holy ghost who contains the father, son) that we may also be the sons of the most high God.

Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen the father also.

As believers we are made in the heavanly image, no longer of the earth (spirit,water and blood), but are as the angels of heaven(Father, word Holy ghost), but Jesus said do not take them from the world, but keep them here that they may believe on me.

You did not understand...the KJV is MIS translated.

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Mic 7:8 Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

Last two letters combined: Bet+Resh = Son ofSon of God to destroy by his own hand the cross

Last two letters not combinedHead of the house to destroy by his own hand the cross

"In the beginning" = Barasheet = "The Son of God will be destroyed by His own hand on de cross"

KJVRev 13:8 ....... the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

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1 Timothy 2:3-4 ...God our Savior; Who will have all men to be saved...John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

7 Then there is the Spirit that is continually testifying, because the Spirit is the Truth.

8 So there are three that are continually testifying: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these all three are the same thing

KJV1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

The blue is not in the original text.

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1 Timothy 2:3-4 ...God our Savior; Who will have all men to be saved...John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

Quote from Cardnial: "Here's another interesting thought for you on firstfruits; since beginning means firstfruits, you could read it this way....

In the firstfruits, God created the heaven/spirit and the earth/soul. Earth is feminine in nature because it takes the seed, and as such mirrors the soul.

And if you "take it up a notch", in the firstfruits that is Christ, God created the heaven (a new Spirit) and the earth (a virgin soul). Blessings..."

Yes, earth is a mother, we know that because she gave birth to man/adam. I took it up a notch in my mind when I was given to see that the heavens and the earth is Christ. Thats why Col. 1 impresses me so much. Hey, maybe why that fourth letter cannot be translated is because HE IS...I AM. We are all in Christ now (Gen.1:1) and we must come out to become Christ in us 1Cor.1:6. Oh! there is so much, so much! Glory! Some one correct me should these things be going wrong. Peace and Love Through Jesus

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Mic 7:8 Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

As you can see the fourth word (ath) is not translated. In fact the word is never translated in the whole Bible.The word occurs in the following verses:Genesis 1:1, 1:27, 1:4, 4:1, 5:22, 14:4, 19:13, 37:23, 47:23 Exodus 18:20 Leviticus 6:4, 14:40 Judges 11:27 Isaiah 1:4, 6:1, 7:12, 19:14 Zechariah 6:8 Check it yourself with for example ISA2 or hereThe word is consiting of the letters Aleph and Tav. The first and last letter of the Hebrew alphabet.

Seems to me that the 4th "word" here, ...preceeds the word "created" [the "doing of" creation]... rather than "was created"...

Which means that "that" which was "created", emerged from the already present, "aleph/tav"...

As you can see the fourth word (ath) is not translated. In fact the word is never translated in the whole Bible.The word occurs in the following verses:Genesis 1:1, 1:27, 1:4, 4:1, 5:22, 14:4, 19:13, 37:23, 47:23 Exodus 18:20 Leviticus 6:4, 14:40 Judges 11:27 Isaiah 1:4, 6:1, 7:12, 19:14 Zechariah 6:8 Check it yourself with for example ISA2 or hereThe word is consiting of the letters Aleph and Tav. The first and last letter of the Hebrew alphabet.

Seems to me that the 4th "word" here, ...preceeds the word "created" [the "doing of" creation]... rather than "was created"...

Which means that "that" which was "created", emerged from the already present, "aleph/tav"...

...willieH

I like that, and that makes me think that creating is still going on.

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Mic 7:8 Thou dost not rejoice over me, O mine enemy, When I have fallen, I have risen, When I sit in darkness Jehovah is a light to me.

Seems to me that the 4th "word" here, ...preceeds the word "created" [the "doing of" creation]... rather than "was created"...

Which means that "that" which was "created", emerged from the already present, "aleph/tav"...

...willieH

It's Hebrew, so read from right to left. Then it no longer preceeds.

Without changing word order:In the begining created God: The Word, the heavens and the earth

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1 Timothy 2:3-4 ...God our Savior; Who will have all men to be saved...John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

Reads easier that way.... ?Without it may sound like The Word is the name of God.That's interpretation. And shouldn't have done that....

Anyware there are no punctuation marks of any kind in the OT and NT.

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1 Timothy 2:3-4 ...God our Savior; Who will have all men to be saved...John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

The (still) don't know what the words means.But among Jewish scholars it accepted that the symbolic meaning is that in means that every thing is created from words. And that the alphabet was created before anything else.

The Hebrew that translates as "that" is known. (and it's not the 4th word)

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1 Timothy 2:3-4 ...God our Savior; Who will have all men to be saved...John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...

Reads easier that way.... ?Without it may sound like The Word is the name of God.That's interpretation. And shouldn't have done that....

Anyware there are no punctuation marks of any kind in the OT and NT.

Isnt it?

To my best knowledge no. Placing a comma can change the entire meaning of the verse....

Riddle of the comma,,,,,,, Look at the comma and how the meaning of the verse changes. (first variation has no comma)

#1 "Truly I say to you today you shall be with Me in Paradise"#2 "Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise"#3 "Truly I say to you today, you shall be with Me in Paradise"

Variation #1 is just very unclear.Variation #2 "I'm telling you that you will be with me in paradise today"Variation #3 "I'm telling you right now (today) that you will be in paradise with me"

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1 Timothy 2:3-4 ...God our Savior; Who will have all men to be saved...John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes in the one who declares the ungodly righteous ...