I played beta Middle age and an idea came through. Could we organize a tourney directly when a beta map shows up.Players will fight in a tourney and for those who reach the finale, they can play directly VS the creator of the map.

If the map creator is ok, he tells me how he wants the finale :

Number of players in finaleFormat of the finale : 1vs1, 4 players, 6players...Settings of the finale : standard, assassin, spoils, reinforcment, fog...How the final will work : best of three games, round robin...

He can also give preferences for the whole tournament. If not, I take care to do a tourney wich will match the finale.

Once it's done, I take care of organizing everything :

Create the tournamentFound playersSend games....

Until the finale where the creator will show up to fight other players on his own map. Should be a minimum of three games in finale (maybe 5). Depending the format of the finale.

Play those tournaments on beta maps give the opportunity to players to test it quicker and give a feedback on map foudry forum. We could also add a link to the thread while creating the tourney.I think Map foundry is too often read only by cartographers...

MapMaker Killer series have been created to give players the opportunity to try new beat map and fight the MapMaker on his own map.As those map are still building, players can give a feedback on maps through the Map Foundry forum. A link to the appropriate thread will be set for each tournament.

#1 are main rules.# 1-01Any tournament of MMK series will count a minimum of 48 players.# 1-02As it will be played on beta maps and because many players won't know that map, NO FOG is highly recommended.# 1-03To have a real feeling about those beta maps, NO SPOILS or NUCLEAR are highly recommended.

#2 are about the MM (MapMakers=Cartographers) # 2-01MM are allowed to play directly in the finale. But they can't win no tournament medals as It would be unfair for other players.# 2-02MM choose the format and settings for the finale. They also tell number of players they want in finale.# 2-03MM can also give the whole tournament format and number of players. If not, the organizer will set the tournament to match with MM criteria for finale.# 2-04MM can ask to pass over rules #1-02 & #1-03 if they explain clearly why It could not be with those settings. Will be told on thread if needed.

#3 are for players who enter the MMK series.# 3-01Each player who enters MMK series agreewill try to give a quick feedback on the appropriate thread after they played on Map. Tell what you think about the map or just say it's fine like that.# 3-02Each player will play a minimum of 2 games in the 1st round. That gives players the opportunity to adress an appropriate feedback.# 3-03As it will be hard to qualify the finale and fight the MM, any finalist will be allowed to play 3 games minimum VS the MM.

Number of players/team left in finale :Type of game : Round Robin, 1vs1, 4 players, 6 players...Type of win : best of three, best of five, most points in round robin....Game type : standard, assassin, terminatorInitial troops : automatic or manualSpoils : No spoils or Nuclear is higly recommended (see MMK main rules)Reinforcements : Chained, adjacent, unlimitedFog of war : No fog is higly recommended (see MMK main rules)

COMMENTS : You can tell everything you want about the finale here.

FORMAT OF THE WHOLE TOURNAMENTIf you don't want to fill that part, I'll do it myself and I'll make sure that matches with your finale settings.

Number of players/team starting the tournament :Type of game :How many round do you want before finale? :Settings : only tell if you prefer same settings than the finale, mixed settings to have better feedbacks, or other settings.

COMMENTS : You can tell everything you want about the tournament here.

MESSAGE FOR PLAYERS ENTERING YOUR MMK

You can write here a little message for the players who will enter the tournaments : This message will be paste top of the thread to show players you're ready to fight!!!

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You should know that MMK are tournaments set to help cartographer to have better feedbacks about their maps.Maybe you'd like MMK IV to be set on your map: xxxxxxxMany cartographers are already in MMK series. (some are already playing, some are waiting for the Beta test) SEE HERE!You can read the main rules if you have time. I put a format in the spoiler to fill if you want. Don't worry if you don't have a lot of time for this, I can take care of everything and you just show in the finale.

Qualify for the finale on beta maps and fight the cartographer on his own map. This tournament has been done to give players the opportunity to fight MapMakers and cartographer the possibility to get more feedback about their beta maps.MMK I: Middle AgesMMK II: ThaïlandMMK III: Antartica

ONLY FOR MAPMAKERS

If you want to be included in the MMK with your map, fill the form below and sent it to me by pm or post it on the thread HEREPlease read MMK main rules before you start filling that form.

Number of players/team left in finale :Type of game : Round Robin, 1vs1, 4 players, 6 players...Type of win : best of three, best of five, most points in round robin....Game type : standard, assassin, terminatorInitial troops : automatic or manualSpoils : No spoils or Nuclear is higly recommended (see MMK main rules)Reinforcements : Chained, adjacent, unlimitedFog of war : No fog is higly recommended (see MMK main rules)

COMMENTS : You can tell everything you want about the finale here.

FORMAT OF THE WHOLE TOURNAMENTIf you don't want to fill that part, I'll do it myself and I'll make sure that matches with your finale settings.

Number of players/team starting the tournament :Type of game :How many round do you want before finale? :Settings : only tell if you prefer same settings than the finale, mixed settings to have better feedbacks, or other settings.

COMMENTS : You can tell everything you want about the tournament here.

MESSAGE FOR PLAYERS ENTERING YOUR MMK

You can write here a little message for the players who will enter the tournaments : This message will be paste top of the thread to show players you're ready to fight!!!

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The problem here is, most people play in tournaments for the winner's medal. What happens if the mapmaker wins, he/she gets a medal for winning one game? The other person in the finals comes away with nothing after all their hard work getting there? I think the only way you could do this is if the mapmaker was in the tourney from the very beginning and had to play/win just as many games as anyone else to win it. That's possible now, if said mapmaker is interested.

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perchorin wrote:The problem here is, most people play in tournaments for the winner's medal. What happens if the mapmaker wins, he/she gets a medal for winning one game? The other person in the finals comes away with nothing after all their hard work getting there? I think the only way you could do this is if the mapmaker was in the tourney from the very beginning and had to play/win just as many games as anyone else to win it. That's possible now, if said mapmaker is interested.

Yes, you're right about the medal and the final. Except if we tell the players that is a special "beta" tournament and that the mapmaker reach the finale directly. But I don't know if it's against cc rules. If it's not, we could do that.ANd mapmker is not getting a medal after winning 1 game if it's best of 5 in finale for exemple, he will need 3 victories. But problem remain the same for a finale 4 players round robin for exemple.CC rule tell that nobody can win a tournament without three games

I think that it would be a good idea as far as I could see as long as the finale is best of 5 it should be okay according to tourney rules. I do agree about the final but as long as it is stated in the tourney info I see no problem with it.

Great idea. When Thailand goes Beta, I will participate. If grifftron has enough slots, I'm sure he'd join my team.

I recommend the following settings for Thailand:

Settings

Triples, automatic, sequential, no spoils, chained, sunny

Roster

8, 16 or 32 teams, depending on interest

Format

Make it single elimination format, winner of single game advances until there are 4 teams left.

Finale

These four teams plus the mapmaker team play in a round robin, one game against each team. Team with best record from round robin wins, in case of a tie, the winner is the team that won head-to-head. If multiple teams tie, another round robin commences minus the team that clearly lost until there is just one winner.

Satisfies 3-Win Requirement

This 5-team round robin format ensures that the winner has won at least 3 games. To win the round robin, a team would need record of 4-0 or 3-1. Only way 2-2 can be best record of round robin is if all 5 teams are 2-2, necessitating a redo of the round. Any subsequent winner would then have to have won at least 3 more games from the redo round.

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natty_dread wrote:Meh. Mapmakers aren't usually that good on their own maps...

That's what I was thinking, so it might not be a grand finale for the tournament... but it would be fun. I'll do it.

Yes but we don't care.Somebody else told me about medals.In those tourney, I think the winner will prefer to say "I won a mapmaker on his own map on tourney" than "I won a tourney medal".That's just to make it funnier.

FarangDemon wrote:Great idea. When Thailand goes Beta, I will participate. If griffton has enough slots, I'm sure he'd join my team.I recommend the following settings for Thailand:FormatMake it single elimination format, winner of single game advances until there are 4 teams left.FinaleThese four teams plus the mapmaker team play in a round robin, one game against each team. Team with best record from round robin wins, in case of a tie, the winner is the team that won head-to-head. If multiple teams tie, another round robin commences minus the team that clearly lost until there is just one winner.Satisfies 3-Win RequirementThis 5-team round robin format ensures that the winner has won at least 3 games. To win the round robin, a team would need record of 4-0 or 3-1. Only way 2-2 can be best record of round robin is if all 5 teams are 2-2, necessitating a redo of the round. Any subsequent winner would then have to have won at least 3 more games from the redo round.

Ok, that's cool, we'll determinate details later but that's nice you already want to participate and filled the form entirely.

The only thing is that each team play only one game VS the mapmakerteam in finale.I can make a format until there are 3 teams left + you = 4 teams in finale. Then :

a) If u agree a 8 players in double. we could play 5 games in total (with points). Each finalist team will play then 5 games VS MM (Map makers)b) If u prefer 4 players in double. we could play twice each other team = 6 team match in total for each team in finale including 2 VS MM.

What do you think about it?

The main thing is : if a player or a team reach finale to play MM, he(it) want(s) to play at least 2 or 3 games...

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natty_dread wrote:Meh. Mapmakers aren't usually that good on their own maps...

That's what I was thinking, so it might not be a grand finale for the tournament... but it would be fun. I'll do it.

Ahhh natty, you're too humble. Don't you see it isn't the challenge factor that makes it a grand finale, but the celebrity factor? Especially if the mapmaker's name is included on the tourney name, or prominent in the rules, you know, played-up theatrically. I remember the very first time I played a mapmaker on his own map, I was tickled, but I was the only one who knew I think... because not many people read the signatures, much less the map threads.

So, I do think you should publicize the mapmaker's name somewhere in the tourney thread, so players know who the mapmaker is when they reach the final.

Otherwise, I think this is a wonderful idea, and a better integration of the different areas of CC. The Foundry could make some good use of Tourneys as Beta testing grounds, using custom settings and high-quality players. Also, it would be good to know if a map makes a 'good' Tourney map; after all that's the main area of map usage besides Clan challenges.

MarshalNey wrote: Ahhh natty, you're too humble. Don't you see it isn't the challenge factor that makes it a grand finale, but the celebrity factor? Especially if the mapmaker's name is included on the tourney name, or prominent in the rules, you know, played-up theatrically. I remember the very first time I played a mapmaker on his own map, I was tickled, but I was the only one who knew I think... because not many people read the signatures, much less the map threads.

So, I do think you should publicize the mapmaker's name somewhere in the tourney thread, so players know who the mapmaker is when they reach the final.

Otherwise, I think this is a wonderful idea, and a better integration of the different areas of CC. The Foundry could make some good use of Tourneys as Beta testing grounds, using custom settings and high-quality players. Also, it would be good to know if a map makes a 'good' Tourney map; after all that's the main area of map usage besides Clan challenges.

First of all, thank you so much, u exactly understand what Im trying to do.

1) I want the people entering the tourney know why they're playing, and who will be the mapmaker they'll found in finale.2) so name of the mapmaker will be in the first lines of the thread in large letters.3) and also a biggest feedback from players while games are still beta4) When I did that post, I hoped nobody move it into tournament folder. I wanted that idea confirmed by cartographer first.

As many people feel ok about it, I'm going to create a quick example of what could be the thread for those tournament. I'll make it with vietnam cause I already have settings from mapmakers. See ya!

Get your ticket to the finale and fight in triple FarangDemon & grifftron & ???????, the MAPMAKERS

On your way up to the finale, you will pass through many steps set by the MAPMAKERS :

SettingsTriples, automatic, sequential, no spoils, chained, sunny

Roster32 triples teams

FormatSingle elimination format, winner of single game advances until there are 4 teams left.

Finale : MapMaker team enter the tournamentThese four teams plus the mapmaker team play in a round robin, one game against each team. Team with best record from round robin wins, in case of a tie, the winner is the team that won head-to-head. If multiple teams tie, another round robin commences minus the team that clearly lost until there is just one winner.

FarangDemon & grifftron & ???????, the MAPMAKERSare waiting for you in finale.Maybe you could say : "I hit them on their own map, I'm a MapMaker Killer now"

Once you enter that tournament, you accept to give a feedback (If you have something interesting to say!) on that map (click that link) :

Feedback are important as those maps are beta. MapMakers could add little changes to make it better before maps become active.

Good GameDJENRE

I'll also add colors and everything needed to make it nicer and also more rules about the tourney.

What could be beautiful is to have a special medal like a MMK medal only available on those tournaments. But if they do, it will be more rules like minimum number of players to obtain medals, and many more...But I can't do nothing about that, so if the idea come true about those tournaments, maybe one of you (coloured names) could ask for a special medal.

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DJENRE wrote:First of all, thank you so much, u exactly understand what Im trying to do.

1) I want the people entering the tourney know why they're playing, and who will be the mapmaker they'll found in finale.2) so name of the mapmaker will be in the first lines of the thread in large letters.3) and also a biggest feedback from players while games are still beta4) When I did that post, I hoped nobody move it into tournament folder. I wanted that idea confirmed by cartographer first.

As many people feel ok about it, I'm going to create a quick example of what could be the thread for those tournament. I'll make it with vietnam cause I already have settings from mapmakers. See ya!

Please mr benn, I want to confirm many things with cartographers and have a feedback from nightstrike before we show anything in tournament forum.

Could you replace it in Map foudry please?

MarshalNey wrote:Otherwise, I think this is a wonderful idea, and a better integration of the different areas of CC. The Foundry could make some good use of Tourneys as Beta testing grounds, using custom settings and high-quality players. Also, it would be good to know if a map makes a 'good' Tourney map; after all that's the main area of map usage besides Clan challenges.

perchorin wrote:The problem here is, most people play in tournaments for the winner's medal. What happens if the mapmaker wins, he/she gets a medal for winning one game? The other person in the finals comes away with nothing after all their hard work getting there? I think the only way you could do this is if the mapmaker was in the tourney from the very beginning and had to play/win just as many games as anyone else to win it. That's possible now, if said mapmaker is interested.

Yes, you're right about the medal and the final. Except if we tell the players that is a special "beta" tournament and that the mapmaker reach the finale directly. But I don't know if it's against cc rules. If it's not, we could do that.ANd mapmker is not getting a medal after winning 1 game if it's best of 5 in finale for exemple, he will need 3 victories. But problem remain the same for a finale 4 players round robin for exemple.CC rule tell that nobody can win a tournament without three games

The mapmakers can play the tournament winners in a separate series of games, but the mapmakers could not win the medal without playing the entire tournament as all players must have an equal (or nearly equal) chance to win the tournament based on the number of games/rounds played.

Night Strike wrote:The mapmakers can play the tournament winners in a separate series of games, but the mapmakers could not win the medal without playing the entire tournament as all players must have an equal (or nearly equal) chance to win the tournament based on the number of games/rounds played.

Night Strike,Thank you for those indications.

While you're here, can u read last two posts (before yours) if you can do something and if you agree. (moved)I would really like that cartographer can follow that post few more days. And I'm sure they will not if this thread in is the tournament forum.

perchorin wrote:The problem here is, most people play in tournaments for the winner's medal. What happens if the mapmaker wins, he/she gets a medal for winning one game? The other person in the finals comes away with nothing after all their hard work getting there? I think the only way you could do this is if the mapmaker was in the tourney from the very beginning and had to play/win just as many games as anyone else to win it. That's possible now, if said mapmaker is interested.

Yes, you're right about the medal and the final. Except if we tell the players that is a special "beta" tournament and that the mapmaker reach the finale directly. But I don't know if it's against cc rules. If it's not, we could do that.ANd mapmker is not getting a medal after winning 1 game if it's best of 5 in finale for exemple, he will need 3 victories. But problem remain the same for a finale 4 players round robin for exemple.CC rule tell that nobody can win a tournament without three games

The mapmakers can play the tournament winners in a separate series of games, but the mapmakers could not win the medal without playing the entire tournament as all players must have an equal (or nearly equal) chance to win the tournament based on the number of games/rounds played.

I agree that the mapmakers shouldn't have a chance to win a medal, but I think with some creativity this tournament could still feature them.

For instance, what about a Whac-a-Mod type of scorekeeping, where the winner of the tournament is the player/team that eliminated the mapmaker(s) the most times in the finale? Or won the most games in the finale (not counting the mapmaker wins)?

That way, the mapmaker makes a 'guest' appearance as an obstacle/target, but doesn't have a stake in winning the tourney-- just winning the games and not losing points There might be many mapmakers that would be flattered to take part and wouldn't need the enticement of a Tournament Medal to participate.

I've never made a Tourney, but would this idea fit within the guidelines?

MarshalNey wrote: I agree that the mapmakers shouldn't have a chance to win a medal, but I think with some creativity this tournament could still feature them.

For instance, what about a Whac-a-Mod type of scorekeeping, where the winner of the tournament is the player/team that eliminated the mapmaker(s) the most times in the finale? Or won the most games in the finale (not counting the mapmaker wins)?

That way, the mapmaker makes a 'guest' appearance as an obstacle/target, but doesn't have a stake in winning the tourney-- just winning the games and not losing points There might be many mapmakers that would be flattered to take part and wouldn't need the enticement of a Tournament Medal to participate.

I've never made a Tourney, but would this idea fit within the guidelines?

I agree, the mapmakers, even if they don't get a medal, should be proud to defend their own map in finale. They could be under the spotlights in the thread and during the tourney. Most of the cartographers are unknown by players even if they do a great job.

About the finale, I think we have quiet the same idea but what is a Whac-a-Mod?

For the finale, if any player (/ team) can reach conditions to win the tourney, he becomes a mapmaker killer and get a tourney medal. If nobody can reach the number of victories needed or conditions needed, the Mapmaker stay as the master of his own map. And we could play another tournament in this case.

MarshalNey wrote: I agree that the mapmakers shouldn't have a chance to win a medal, but I think with some creativity this tournament could still feature them.

Yes, for the record I agree as well. It wouldn't be fair otherwise.

DJENRE, I like your Whac-a-Mod idea in theory. I would be proud to defend the Thailand map. But it would be too many games for my liking, and I have clan obligations. So I'd prefer to just enter tourney as a regular combatant. Anyway, we can finalize details when the map actually becomes beta....

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FarangDemon wrote: Yes, for the record I agree as well. It wouldn't be fair otherwise.DJENRE, I like your Whac-a-Mod idea in theory. I would be proud to defend the Thailand map. But it would be too many games for my liking, and I have clan obligations. So I'd prefer to just enter tourney as a regular combatant. Anyway, we can finalize details when the map actually becomes beta....

Yes I understand the problem. We have to check that before running any tourney. I have to think about 2 things :1) You (the MM) who have few time or other obligations2] Players who has went through many games to see you in finale so we need a minimum of game.I will set finale to fit with everybody's needs. I promess.But as the mapmaker is the key of the tourney, we will match with him. If MM has only few time available I will send map for the finale one after another.

I think it's a better idea to see the MM only during the finale (if MM doesn't care about the medal of course).