Good point, except that the "scam-a-rei" take all kinds of steps to prevent students from doing that.

There's fraud--an outright deception of one form or another.

Then you have people that have the bad luck to have bought into aothers con--they are teaching what they "think" are good martial arts--because it fits with their persoanl expereince....not exactly a fraud--but dangerous none-the-less.

I'd be careful about makeing comparisions about how it works with the "best fighters"---its been my experience that against a really good fighter--very little can be counted on to work.

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I did battle with ignorance today.......and ignorance won.
Huey.

the year - 2000. "reputable org."- DSI. Hall of Fame - World Martial Arts Hall Of Fame. Funny thing is none of the people I know that were "inducted" are listed as inductees on HOF web site. I've seen the book, patch and plaque they all received. Very nice book with pictures of them striking impressive poses. I believe there were about 50 people inducted as "Instructor of the year"By the way, I still have the invitation and the rest of the paper work that was sent to me.

Anyone using the title "Grand *" (sic. anything) needs to offer tangible palpable <sp.?> proof of serious lifelong commitment. Physical is only a itty bitty part of that skill set...IMV. Far more is mandatory. Otherwise it is fraud.

I was once told a story of a "kickboxer" who started his own association. He was scheduled to fight one of his students for the "world championship", but at the last minute his student became ill and could not fight. Rather than refund all the money from the ticket sales a replacement fighter was found who ended up beating him and taking his world championship away.

I wish I could recall the name of this bozo. I do recall the name of the real kickboxer who about killed him. He went on to become a real champion later on. I just decided to leave his name out of the thread.

There are probably dozens of people (if not 100 or more) here in the U.S. alone who hold some sort of "world champion" title. It's one of the biggest scams around.

Any style, even the BS one can teach a person to fight the random guy on the street, the fake confidence they hae will be enough for them to deliver a good hit to the throat or the groin and bring the guy down

The sad thing is they are wasteing their time training with people who are not so great and are probably not getting the same workout they could be getting somewhere else or learning inferior and not original forms or kata if that is what they are there for, generaly not becomeing the best they can be