CNN, New York Post, LA Times, AXIOS, Washington Post, The Hill and several other "On-Line" news sites are my sources of information. That's without mentioning our own media or the BBC.

I don't know why you persist in saying that I rely on CNN, I DON'T!!

If all of the sources that I use are "anti-Trump" I'd be very surprised.

Even some of your own Maryland press say the same things.

He's currently being investigated by up to 17 different units-not just political but his shady charity organisation, IRS breaches and so on. But you would be well aware of this-just choosing not to acknowledge the facts.

Did I hear someone shout, "LOCK HIM UP?"

Edited by toyomotor - 19 Dec 2018 at 14:46

From where the sun now stands, I will fight no more forever.(Chief Joseph)

CNN, New York Post, LA Times, AXIOS, Washington Post, The Hill and several other "On-Line" news sites are my sources of information. That's without mentioning our own media or the BBC.

I don't know why you persist in saying that I rely on CNN, I DON'T!!

If all of the sources that I use are "anti-Trump" I'd be very surprised.

Even some of your own Maryland press say the same things.

He's currently being investigated by up to 17 different units-not just political but his shady charity organisation, IRS breaches and so on. But you would be well aware of this-just choosing not to acknowledge the facts.

Did I hear someone shout, "LOCK HIM UP?"

Not every paper is biased. Your quotes are often from CNN just find the lefty lunatic on any given paper and that's your lead.

If they are going to lock up Trump for the fake charity/money laundering he'll be in line behind Bill & Hill Clinton bet on that. Trump's campaign money and his "foundation" don't even compare with the money the Clintons have earned through political connections and sweet heart deals. Trumps's never going to be free of investigations, the sky is falling....again?

Still round the corner there may wait, a new road or a secret gate. (J. R. R. Tolkien)

[quote]Rejecting criticism over his decision to withdraw about 2,000 troops from Syria and up-end a central pillar of US policy in the Middle East, Donald Trump says the United States was doing the work of other countries with little in return. (Reuters)]

His withdrawal of troop from Syria is wrong, wrong, wrong-at this stage. It seems to be another ploy to divert attention away from all of his other problems/failings.

BUT, in saying that the US is doing the work of other countries, with little return, in my estimation, he's correct. The world at large has expected the USA to play World Policeman for far too long. In most of the overseas ventures that the US gets involved in, it can be well argued that the UN should be at the forefront, with all member nations contributing.

The US has entered more armed conflicts in the post Viet Nam War period than any other single country, not counting civil wars and internal politics. Again, in many cases if not all, there should have been much more military support fro the US, whose military forces have carried the burden of battle field deaths for years.

It's simply not good enough.

From where the sun now stands, I will fight no more forever.(Chief Joseph)

Brett McGurk joins Defence Secretary Jim Mattis in an exodus of experienced national security figures from the Trump administration, saying in his resignation letter that the Islamic State militants were on the run, but not yet defeated.

Pandemonium! Who would want to work there?

From where the sun now stands, I will fight no more forever.(Chief Joseph)

Brett McGurk joins Defence Secretary Jim Mattis in an exodus of experienced national security figures from the Trump administration, saying in his resignation letter that the Islamic State militants were on the run, but not yet defeated.

Pandemonium! Who would want to work there?

How bloody long has bloody ISIS been on the bleedin run?

Still round the corner there may wait, a new road or a secret gate. (J. R. R. Tolkien)

Perhaps it's for the better that the US withdraws troops from the Middle East. Their presence has been a bone of contention for some countries for quite a while.

There's the other matter too, the US is heavily involved in the NoKo SoKo conflict, troops in many parts of the world, many of which are of no real political or economic benefit to the US. I've said many times that the world should not expect the USA to play world policeman, it's not fair, and it's a burden that should be shouldered by the UN and all member nations.

From where the sun now stands, I will fight no more forever.(Chief Joseph)

Yeah, the problem with Middle East peace is because America is involved?!? (Actually there is some truth to that, America took over from Britain and doesn't have the deep contacts that Britain had). Violence is not the fault of a religion founded by a warlord. Or a country that has an implement of war on the flag (a sword, Saudi Arabia). It is ironic that Arab countries have such a lust for war, and yet their militaries are so bad at it, no NCO structure between aristocrat officers and peasant conscripts.

Fight the terrorists now, or fight them later. Trump doesn't care, he probably won't be President when the chickens come home to roost. In the long run, the "peace" dividend will prove illusory.

The mainstream media outlets are biased against Trump, on the other hand, he makes it so easy to be against him. And let's face it, mainstream media outlets are not near as relevant as they used to be, so any excuse to blow up an issue, plays to their (diminishing) base. Not sure there is an answer to mainstream media's setting. Is something in the wings, or is it all just good night.

It seems like next week. The Speaker, Pelosi , won't act until January 3rd that makes sense she won't have her footing until securely voted in as speaker.

If Pelosi continues to appear petty, making an issue over the terms "wall" or "fence" she might become the story. My prediction- Pelosi opens the next meeting with another offer maybe a couple billion for a structure (?) at the border. Trump takes it under protest and takes any remaining funds from another agency , the house republicans make a reform proposal.

ICE released 1000 illegals in El Paso this week bc they could not get them adjudicated in the time frame allowed by law. Real crime is going to affect the news and that intolerable level of upset is already met with the death of a police officer at the hands of an illegal. It is time to look at immigration reform again but I don't expect progress.

Democrats are forcing extremism bc they know Trump will go to the extreme. If he walks off the edge while doing the extreme, all the better. Yet the actual events at the border won't be ignored, so democrats look foolish mincing words about the fence if people are becoming victims of crime at the border states daily.

Still round the corner there may wait, a new road or a secret gate. (J. R. R. Tolkien)

Franciscosan I share your opinion that Trump creates the ability for us to dislike him, it's his public persona.

Vanuatu I've said before that Trump has an obligation to secure the US borders, but his tantrum over this issue is most unpresidential. Closing down part of government services is not the way to go and the Democrats don't seem to be taking any notice of his demands.

By all means close the US/Mexico border, but take the consequences.

From where the sun now stands, I will fight no more forever.(Chief Joseph)

I do wonder how much of this outcry regarding the border, is happening at or near the border. Not saying, that, say, Iowans don't have reasons to oppose immigration. I just think that many of the people close to the border have more of an appreciation about how complex the issue might be.

Franciscosan I share your opinion that Trump creates the ability for us to dislike him, it's his public persona.

Vanuatu I've said before that Trump has an obligation to secure the US borders, but his tantrum over this issue is most unpresidential. Closing down part of government services is not the way to go and the Democrats don't seem to be taking any notice of his demands.

By all means close the US/Mexico border, but take the consequences.

Please elaborate on the "Way" to go. Democrats funded part of wall, that wasn't enough so the money is not being spent. Now a source of such concern, oh! Trump why aren't you spending the money??

Trump didn't fall for the trap where he starts the job but can't finish, which is why part of the wall has been funded by congress not all.

Now the game is about how immoral a wall is, not human trafficking and dead citizens on the border states.

Real winners who voted for border security along with Obama Schumer and Pelosi in 2013 now believe the structural barrier they once loved will now only bring us all shame as a nation.

toyomotor you should be bible thumping CNN.

Still round the corner there may wait, a new road or a secret gate. (J. R. R. Tolkien)

I don't see a wall as immoral, if that's what's needed, so be it. But, for Trump to shut down government services in a fit of petulance is plainly wrong!!!

If he can't get his around the fact that negotiation is needed, with compromise on both sides, he needs to get out of the job. Things don't happen at the snap of his fingers-as he would believe.

As for CNN, your continued comments don't affect me at all, as I know that I read a lot of other web sites to glean my information. You obviously read/watch CNN or you wouldn't know what it's saying/writing.

From where the sun now stands, I will fight no more forever.(Chief Joseph)

I don't see a wall as immoral, if that's what's needed, so be it. But, for Trump to shut down government services in a fit of petulance is plainly wrong!!!

If he can't get his around the fact that negotiation is needed, with compromise on both sides, he needs to get out of the job. Things don't happen at the snap of his fingers-as he would believe.

As for CNN, your continued comments don't affect me at all, as I know that I read a lot of other web sites to glean my information. You obviously read/watch CNN or you wouldn't know what it's saying/writing.

toyomotor, I say democrats are calling a wall immoral and almost going far left suggesting open borders are moral.

Is it a chicken or egg problem ? Which immovable force is being more destructive? I couldn't keep track both sides are purely politically motivated.

I'm glad Trump isn't waiting around for 4 years to address illegals crossing the border, not legal immigration which we already have.

Of course I watch CNN. I have to see each side of the divide sometimes there is a truth-filled center or my favorite, orange cream. :)

Still round the corner there may wait, a new road or a secret gate. (J. R. R. Tolkien)

It should be understood that immigrants lean heavily democratic, and so _when_ there is an amnesty for illegal aliens, which there will be, the Democratic party will cash in. They cannot say they are for open borders, but with their minority identity politics, it is clear that they want to be the saviors for displaced, who as minorities, and as peasants, have more clout in the intersectionality politics of the left.

It should be understood that the left wants to have all of the adulation of saviors, with none of the hard work, as witnessed by the defection of the working class from the left to the right because they were being ignored.

No country can sustain unchecked migration, and then there's also the criminality and terrorism aspects.

Regardless of who's holding the reins, there must be checks and balances, so if Trump does close the border-disregarding for moment that it would be simply a hissy fit on his part, I reckon that will only create a backlog, not stop the migration, illegal or otherwise.

The other point to consider is whether or not Customs and Border Patrol are capable of completely closing the border, with or without backing of the National Guard-which in itself raises the point about Posse Comitatus.

From where the sun now stands, I will fight no more forever.(Chief Joseph)

On the one hand you acknowledge that the president's first job is security.

Now it's a hissy fit on his part ?

If there are more attempts at crashing the border in large groups, armed assaults on agents and people flinging their kids over the wall wrapped in blankets onto barbed wire- it's going to bring a heavy handed response.

Donald Trump persists in sl*gging off his law enforcement and intelligence agencies, and there's no hint that he'll stop doing that in future.

Perhaps it's time that the CIA, FBI and the others took limited industrial action by not telling him of their findings. From many past media reports, it seems that he ignores advice anyway claiming that he knows better.

Once again he returns from talking to KJU, having failed to gain any agreements.

Ego powered idiot.

Edited by toyomotor - 01 Mar 2019 at 22:18

From where the sun now stands, I will fight no more forever.(Chief Joseph)

The decision making authority is invested in the President. The president is at liberty to take or ignore the advice of intelligence services. They are not at liberty to not give advice to the president. That is part of their job.

Now, if the President is not taking advice, there are two possible remedies which might possibly come into play. Questioning his loyalty, questioning his competency. I would consider looking at him as just generally corrupt would be a mixture of the two. Either way, impeachment may be the appropriate answer, but so might just waiting for the next election. The democrats have an opportunity here, but then again so did they for the last election. Personally, if it is a question of Trump again, or a socialist, I think that Trump might be the better option. Any damage he's done, has already been done. Trump is corrupt, but what he does is to further enrich himself. He is not looking to change everybody else, a socialist however, want to fix all of society, and therefore strikes me as a much scarier possibility. Better benign neglect that malicious attention.

The decision making authority is invested in the President. The president is at liberty to take or ignore the advice of intelligence services. They are not at liberty to not give advice to the president. That is part of their job.

Now, if the President is not taking advice, there are two possible remedies which might possibly come into play. Questioning his loyalty, questioning his competency. I would consider looking at him as just generally corrupt would be a mixture of the two. Either way, impeachment may be the appropriate answer, but so might just waiting for the next election. The democrats have an opportunity here, but then again so did they for the last election. Personally, if it is a question of Trump again, or a socialist, I think that Trump might be the better option. Any damage he's done, has already been done. Trump is corrupt, but what he does is to further enrich himself. He is not looking to change everybody else, a socialist however, want to fix all of society, and therefore strikes me as a much scarier possibility. Better benign neglect that malicious attention.

I agree with the general tenet of your post, but if he's re-elected, it's probable that he'll stumble along a path to isolationism and possibly serious conflict with China and Russia.

Much of what he's done should be undone, I think that the country is still running, despite his policies.

From where the sun now stands, I will fight no more forever.(Chief Joseph)

According to you, toyomotor, it sounds like you believe the people have already made up their minds. Why bother with the results? Unlike either Trump or the democrats, I believe that with Mueller, due process was served. Now there still are investigations in the southern district(?) of New York into his finances. But this deal sounds like a dead horse.

Of course, if you listen to David Brooks, the Trump campaign was probably too disorganized to be conspiratorial (as a whole).

According to you, toyomotor, it sounds like you believe the people have already made up their minds. Why bother with the results? Unlike either Trump or the democrats, I believe that with Mueller, due process was served. Now there still are investigations in the southern district(?) of New York into his finances. But this deal sounds like a dead horse.

Of course, if you listen to David Brooks, the Trump campaign was probably too disorganized to be conspiratorial (as a whole).

No, that's not correct. If you look closely at American politics over the past 50 years there are numerous examples of "fiddling" with facts, turning them into misrepresentations.

I cast no aspersions on Mueller at all.

What I'm saying is that the complete, unredacted, report should be released, nothing more, nothing less.

From where the sun now stands, I will fight no more forever.(Chief Joseph)

For some reason, my post will not appear on screen, except when I "Edit Post".

I don't know how to fix this.

This is part of what concerns me, "his version". Why not the complete report? What's to hide? If Trump has been exonerated by the investigation, it would be in his own interests to have the report released to the public.

From where the sun now stands, I will fight no more forever.(Chief Joseph)

For some reason, my post will not appear on screen, except when I "Edit Post".

I don't know how to fix this.

This is part of what concerns me, "his version". Why not the complete report? What's to hide? If Trump has been exonerated by the investigation, it would be in his own interests to have the report released to the public.

You have no problem with Mueller?

Ok, Mueller is the guy who handed the report over to the AG Barr & Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein bc Mueller's part is OVER. There is nothing untoward in Barr and Rosenstein clearing Trump on the Obstruction charge, it is well within their purview as is redacting the report.

You see Mueller is an investigator and Jeff Zucker is not, apparently. The CNN talking head does not consider journalists to be investigators."We just report the facts as we understand them."

Seriously, the US government is going to just hand out 2 million documents (not exaggerated) to the public? Just throw it out there and spend ten years reading? Enjoy.

In weeks, not months the facts will be out there and they will be embarrassing. Liberal media bludgeoned the public with "OBSTRUCTION of JUSTICE" (but they didn't investigate it?)

We have Lisa Page (FBI cuddle bunny) admitting that the DOJ Chief Loretta Lynch told the FBI not to investigate Hillary Clinton on Obstruction of Justice charges. Hillary actually did destroy her illegal server, and actually did tell her staff to destroy phones and thousands of emails.

Lindsey Graham(R) is going to be busy!

Trump's people will be pardoned, Papadopoulous and Mike Flynn first. Why not? Michelle Obama makes a phone call for her ponce friend and 17 felonies disappear. Except now the Chicago PD is so ticked off about Jussie the Liar, well we might see a Trumpian style draining of that stinky ol' Obama swamp.

Michael Cohen, was lying when he said that Trump didn't collude with the Russians. Both parties look at negative research on their opponents- it's collusion and its not illegal, not the way it's spelled out by Dershowitz (no longer invited on CNN for being too honest) and not in this situation. Selling Uranium to the Russians is collusion of the illegal kind.

CNN could not control their joy at the revelations of golden showers between Trump and Russian prostitutes, they could not stop talking about it for weeks. Adam Schiff Head of the "Intelligence" committee didn't do much investigating either, it's boring.

James Clapper and John Brennan (didn't you scold me for laughing at them?:) really helped Jeff Zucker and the whole loony-leftist crew to avoid any investigating. Brennan actually chuckled "We didn't know as much as we thought we knew."

Imagine Trump standing there with Medvedev under a hot mic, Medvedev says, "Vladimir wants you to know that he'll have more flexibility after the election." Trump says "Oh, really? I will transmit this data to Republicans" Collusion!!!

The point of that term COLLUSION is AMBIGUITY! It's play- do, it's clay, mold it any way you can that's what fishing expeditions are for.

Edited by Vanuatu - 27 Mar 2019 at 23:52

Still round the corner there may wait, a new road or a secret gate. (J. R. R. Tolkien)

Whatever happened to the attitude that "politics is like sausage, you don't want to see either being made." Now everybody wants all the details and believes they have a "right" to them. It is like political pornography, and everybody wants to see it so they can be offended and self-righteous, turning up their nose, and saying, "tut, tut."

For traditional conservatives, justice is a procedure, if you go through the trial, and there is nothing that disqualifies one side or the other, then the end result is justice. Justice, as far as the legal system is concerned, is served (barring endless appeals). For liberals, justice is a result, if you go through the procedure, there is nothing irregular, and you don't like the result, you whine and claim the system is biased. In fact, you start out claiming the system is biased, so that when you don't get your own way, you are already set up to whine about it.

Trump is a horrible human being, but we have gone through the investigation regarding conspiracy, and Trump and the campaign have been absolved on that account. All along (most of the time), I've said we should trust in Mueller's integrity. I think I have been vindicated on that, on the other hand, I am not sure about the integrity of Trump, or the democrats, or the republicans for that matter.

The democrats are a little too much like the red queen, "first the sentence and then the trial.'

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