Monday, May 9, 2016

Cardinal Burke and Bishop Schneider could be asked," Can the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate offer the Traditional Latin Mass and affirm that LG 16 refers to invisible and not visible cases.Can the FSSP also avoid the premise?

"do it in a way that the premises are there, then I will draw out the conclusions.”- Pope Francis to Archbishop Bruno Forte.1

THE PREMISE IS:

The premise is that there is known salvation outside the Church and the conclusion is that the dogma EENS is not longer valid.Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider agree with this false premise.

The premise is that we know of people saved without the baptism of water and the conclusion is that there is salvation outside the Church. So there is a new doctrine on salvation.This is accepted by Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider.

The premise is that we can know objectively subjective factors which would indicate that a person in manifest mortal sin is not going to Hell and so the conclusion is that there are exceptions to the traditional understanding on mortal sin.Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider have not objected to this premise.

Since the premise for Pope Francis is that there is known salvation outside the Church, the conclusion for Pope Francis, is that all Methodists and Protestants do not need to convert into the Catholic Church to be saved from Hell.This is also the understanding of Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athanasius Schneider.

OBJECTIVE MISTAKE IN VATICAN COUNCIL II

Now in 2016 we know there is a factual mistake in Vatican Council II. There is an objective mistake in LG 14.

They made the original objective error in the Letter (1949) based on an irrational premise.Then they inserted the line in LG 14 which says only those who 'know' need to enter the Church.

PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE

In Boston and Rome in 1949 they reasoned that there is salvation outside the Church. This was the premise. For there to be salvation outside the Church it would have meant someone in the past or present, should have seen someone saved without the baptism of water in the Church.They went ahead and assumed there was someone.Even though this was physically impossible.The popes accepted it. The cardinals accepted it. Archbishop Lefebvre accepted. it. Cardinal Burke and Bishop Athansius Schneider also accept this premise today.

After assuming there were physically visible cases of salvation outside the Church,they postulated that not every one needs to be a card carrying member of the Church.Then they went ahead and said that only those who are not in invincible ignorance of the Gospel ; only those who know about Jesus and the Church would be damned if they did not enter the Church. Not every one but only those who know.So with the irrational premise they did aware with the dogma EENS which says all need to be formal members of the Catholic Church for salvation.So EENS is not more like it was in the 16th century, says Pope Benedict and there is no objection, over this new doctrine, from either Cardinal Burke or Bishop Athanasius Schneider.

They placed this new doctrine based on the non- real reasoning, in Vatican Council II. The principle was hypothetical cases are explicit for us human beings and there are hypothetical-explicit exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus as it was known to the 16th century missionaries. They came to this conclusion by using the false premise, of knowing salvation outside the Church, or seeing people in Heaven saved without the baptism of water.

1.Pope Benedict and Pope Francis can be asked if they personally know someone who is an exception to the dogma EENS in 2016. They will have to answer 'no'.Cardinal Burke and Bishop Schneider would also have to answer 'no'. So there will then be no premise used.

2.When asked if LG 16 and LG 14 refer to known cases in 2016, they will have to answer with a 'no'.Again they will be avoiding the premise.

Cardinal Burke and Bishop Schneider could be asked, "In the interview with Avvenire Pope Benedict said that there is a development, an evolution of the dogma EENS with Vatican Council II. Was he referring to LG 16 being explicit or implicit, visible or invisible, objective or hypothetical? What about you is LG 16 invisible or visible for you ?

They can also be asked ," Can the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate offer the Traditional Latin Mass and affirm that LG 16 refers to invisible and not visible cases.Can the FSSP also do the same?

With their answer even Catholic priests who offer the Novus Ordo Mass will have to return to the old ecclesiology, the Feeneyite ecclesiology, since this is the only rational alternative available.-Lionel Andrades

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"Do it in a way that the premises are there, then I will draw out the conclusions.” - Pope Francis to Archbishop Bruno Forte.