re: I approve of this Rand Paul quote on gay-marriage.Posted by MStant1 on 3/13/13 at 12:17 pm to GumboPot

quote:Ahhh, gotcha. I can see that but I don't think that will happen. Criticism from the evangelical right will be met whit, "I believe in the historical religious institution of marriage." Hopefully that will quell any consternation of the far right.

I'm not sure the evangelicals will be sold. Rand's political view on this is almost verbatim to his father's view, and evangelicals criticized Ron for it.

re: I approve of this Rand Paul quote on gay-marriage.Posted by GumboPot on 3/13/13 at 12:24 pm to MStant1

quote:I'm not sure the evangelicals will be sold. Rand's political view on this is almost verbatim to his father's view, and evangelicals criticized Ron for it.

Damn that sucks. Rand will need a substantial part of the evangelical base just to keep Frothy at bay during the primaries. Hopefully he can pull more evangelical votes than his dad did. This is going to be a very interesting political strategy played out by Rand.

re: I approve of this Rand Paul quote on gay-marriage.Posted by bluestem75 on 3/13/13 at 12:46 pm to GumboPot

Love this quote from Rand! It's right on.

I'm a gay man. I disagree wholeheartedly with my fellow gays with the marriage movement. The truth is, the gay marriage movement is wrong. We are not discriminated against when it comes to marriage. As the law stands now, NO man is allowed to marry another man and NO woman is allowed to marry another woman. That's not discrimination.

What my fellow and I gays want is equal consideration in these areas: within the tax code, to be allowed to live with and leave our property to whomever we want, and to able to provide stable, loving homes to children we have or wish to adopt.

The fact is the tax code discriminates against single people. It discriminates even more harshly against single people who have no children.

However, my fellow gays have decided that it's more important to be loved and accepted by the genral populace than it is to actually create a fair tax code.

I don't give a flying f if you approve of me and my boyfriend/husband/partner. I could care less if you hurl insults at me. That says more about you than it does about me.

But I do want him to be able to visit me when I'm in the hospital. Perhaps we may want to adopt someday. I don't want my family cutting him out of my will because they don't like him.

These things do happen to us, but there are other legal remedies to solve these problems other than demanding that everyone else change their definition of marriage to fit what we would prefer it to be.

re: I approve of this Rand Paul quote on gay-marriage.Posted by TigerDat on 3/13/13 at 12:48 pm to GumboPot

I have been thinking the same thing. Supposedly they want this because of tax code and other things. Well marriage was a religious thing to begin with so why don't we just amend things to be a legal union as far as government conrcerns go. Let the churches keep their marriages and then everyone can be happy.

That is of course if that is waht they really want. I believe some would be happy with that but of course there will be some that will never be satisfied.

re: I approve of this Rand Paul quote on gay-marriage.Posted by MStant1 on 3/13/13 at 12:57 pm to GumboPot

quote:Damn that sucks. Rand will need a substantial part of the evangelical base just to keep Frothy at bay during the primaries. Hopefully he can pull more evangelical votes than his dad did. This is going to be a very interesting political strategy played out by Rand.

Who knows though. Typical republicans seem to have a double standard with Rand vs Ron. I mean look at how many supported Rand's stand on foreign policy and drones, but thought Ron was a nutter on similar issues.

It probably has to do with the fact that Sean Hannity loves Rand and hates Ron. So the team players follow suit.

re: I approve of this Rand Paul quote on gay-marriage.Posted by ScoopAndScore on 3/13/13 at 2:12 pm to Layabout

quote:when it comes to income taxes and inheritance taxes and the favored treatment given to married couples.

Here's the thing. I hear liberals use the argument "what's best for society" all the time. Well I think it's been proven that the traditional family is best for society as a whole. The statistics clearly bear out that children raised by a married mother and father do far better than those not raised in a traditional family household. Why wouldn't liberals be all for preferential treatment of married couples then, for the betterment of society of course? Weird.

re: I approve of this Rand Paul quote on gay-marriage.Posted by davesdawgs on 3/13/13 at 2:14 pm to GumboPot

quote:quote: “I’m an old-fashioned traditionalist. I believe in the historic and religious definition of marriage,” he says. “That being said, I’m not for eliminating contracts between adults. I think there are ways to make the tax code more neutral, so it doesn’t mention marriage. Then we don’t have to redefine what marriage is; we just don’t have marriage in the tax code.”

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This is a smart and subtle way of saying that government shouldn't be in the marriage business.

He echos my sentiments I have expressed for some time on this board. Would more of our Congressmen see the wisdom in this approach.

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re: I approve of this Rand Paul quote on gay-marriage.Posted by GoCrazyAuburn on 3/13/13 at 2:15 pm to GumboPot

I think he can sell them on it if he can get ten to see that this is a step to help get TE gov't out of interfering with their religious practices. Harder said than done, but that is the angle to take for sure for him.

re: I approve of this Rand Paul quote on gay-marriage.Posted by KeyserSoze999 on 3/13/13 at 3:17 pm to GumboPot

quote:“I’m an old-fashioned traditionalist. I believe in the historic and religious definition of marriage,” he says. “That being said, I’m not for eliminating contracts between adults. I think there are ways to make the tax code more neutral, so it doesn’t mention marriage. Then we don’t have to redefine what marriage is; we just don’t have marriage in the tax code.”

re: I approve of this Rand Paul quote on gay-marriage.Posted by imjustafatkid on 3/13/13 at 3:45 pm to MStant1

quote:I'm not sure the evangelicals will be sold. Rand's political view on this is almost verbatim to his father's view, and evangelicals criticized Ron for it.

As a Christian who would never support gay marriage, I can honestly say I have no issues with removing marriage from the tax code and allowing civil contracts under United States law. I also don't understand why there are "benefits" to being married (tbh, I got married this past year and my wife and I actually paid more in taxes because we did). I'm fine with the tax code considering 2 contracted individuals as 2 combined single entities, and removing any distinction due to marriage. Selfishly, I would have paid less in taxes were this the case.

The problem with calling gay unions "marriage" is it will end up just like birth control with Catholic hospitals. Eventually the government will find some way to legislate to churches that they have to perform or accept gay marriages or [insert tax/loss of exempt status/other punishment here] will occur. There is no doubt in my mind this would happen.