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Anyone whom has invested into this project or anyone whom is thinking of investing, this update is for you.

With all the issues surrounding the pre-orders in the past and present, I want to ensure the buyers committed already at this point that your funds have gone to the product and production of this product ..........

I want everyone here to see and understand that we are committed to these boards and will see the entire production to the end.

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We need to keep you guys in the loop and ensure that the trust you have shown us stays with us as we proceed.

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This was asked 3 1/2 months ago:

Originally Posted by RST

Any News?
How many people need to pay before the boards are getting shipped out after the extra payments sent by you and the BEO guys?
And what are you doing to get those people on the list to place the payment?
....

Would you please be so kind and give us an answer to our asked questions?

I believe that I paid for my board about a year ago. The impression is that we are waiting on some "pre-orders" to pony up before the boards go into production and/or are sent out.

At this point, those people on the pre-order list aren't going to be coughing up anything anytime soon. What are the chances of cutting the losses, getting out the boards for those who have paid, and selling the remainder once word gets out that these things actually work by those who have purchased them?

Just because I've seen these things go south a few too many times, I would suggest that anyone who thinks about doing a project like this, or one with pre-orders in the future get firm deposits of 50% upfront. Close pre-order after a set 30, 60, 90 day period, and collect the remainder of funds.
If there was a stipulation that xxx number of orders needs to be placed and that number wasn't reached, you then make the decision to either go forward or refund all money sent at that point.

i would say that the prorder people that have not yet paid, wont be paying after the holidays.

most adults, with families and such, have less money after the holidays not more.

so i would say be patient.

**i would say as side note there most likely will be no refunds. the money paid has gone straight to the development of the boards.
Jay/Jai has even put much of his own pocket money to get these started, this order is not just funded by preorders.

just an update is always good.
once every two weeks is a nice time frame, but the key is to get the other guys to pay their orders in full.

Look on the bright side guys, I've been waiting for my Predator board for almost 8 years now. Be patient, it will totally be worth it...

Btw, I'll say it again. I'm interested in a few boards, but I need to see what the preorder folks think of them... Maybe you can release a few to spark interest in this project again.... I'm obsessed with AGD products and have an extensive E-mag collection, but I will not fall into another trap waiting for something that may never come to light. You have around $3500 (rough estimate) that people sent to you via GIFT in paypal and you haven't really given them clear updates lately. I understand you are waiting for all 50 slots to fill up, but honestly do you think they will all be paid. $189 X 30 = $5670. That is alot of money to sit around and wait for. I love seeing all the updates with the boards sitting around, but don't you think that would be frustrating for all of your loyal preorder folks to sit and wait for people that will never fulfill their order.

Since you even put your own money down I'm shocked to see you not pushing to sell these at all. The people that you are ignoring are the ones who could sell your product. Take RST for example, he is a serious german AGD collector, I bet if he had his hands on your boards he could sell quite a few on the european forums, but no..... he is sitting here waiting for a refund.

I really appreciate all the R&D that has gone into all of your projects, but you have to realized sooner or later people will lump you in the same category that the DevilMag, Tag Sportz, Logic PB, Venomous Designs, Pro-team Products, G-Force, and Chris Nearchos are in.

Just to be clear, Im not asking for a refund here. I do want my board. I just would like to get beyond the impression that we are waiting for 'preorder' people to pay when we have been waiting for about a year on them already.

They aren't going to be paying this christmas, or next christmas either.

I currently have no horse in this race, but I bought a project with this board in mind. I've been watching this thread for awhile now, but I'm hesitant to jump in with my money just yet. The main question that I have been waiting for an answer is this one asked about 2 months ago:

Originally Posted by RST

Any News?
How many people need to pay before the boards are getting shipped out after the extra payments sent by you and the BEO guys?
And what are you doing to get those people on the list to place the payment?

As I said before I may be interested to get more than the one board that I paid full month ago, but I'm not willing to throw money into a black hole.

There doesn't seem to be a clear answer to this, therefore the feeling of throwing money out there at something pretty and hoping it will come. The pictures of the boards and all is reassuring the product is there, but I'm concerned like the others who have paid on what date these boards would be potentially delivered on. As far as I understand, this is the last bit needed in order to get these boards out in people's hands. For me, a clearer understand on when the end will come would make me put my hat in the ring.

I understand that it's holiday time/end of the year and at least with my business we're extremely busy with trying to tie up the loose ends to finish projects, avoid taxes, etc. Any answer would be greatly appreciated.

Seems you guys are getting a bit restless.
I don't blame you one bit, so lets clear up some of the cloud here:

1) AO doesn't seem to give me email updates any more. Even though the option is clearly checked on my user options

2) IF you are not vested in this project financially,.... Do not post.

3) IF you are vested financially,.... Please feel free to ask, question, and communicate.

4) if you meet criteria in #3, please feel free to PM me and you can communicate with me via phone, text, or whatever u feel like

5) this project was a HUGE financial undertaking. Please understand that.
Of the cost vested from you guys that have paid up, all your money went to parts and the board printing process.
That means that the pieces of your boards are sitting in a box (well a few boxes), in my basement in an anti-static bag waiting for assembly.
The cost to assemble the boards is: $2500
More than happy to screen shot the invoice quote and post it up.
Of that cost, $1900 is owed from the remainder of the pre-order guys.

6) I understand you guys are not complaining. You just want your boards.
I would like to be done with it as well and move on.

7) I've said it a few times... And the truth has not changed: the balance owed must be paid to close this project and deliver your product.

8) this was in no way shape or form a profit making project for me.
Unless someone offers me a HUGE sum of cash (think $10,000+), I will never make my money back to cover my cost.
And I'm perfectly okay with that guys! I did this for my own reasons.
I'm not saying that "if you haven't vested as much as I have... You can't complain". Not saying that at all. My point is: your money didn't go to recoup my investment.... It's to go to YOUR product and nothing more.

I get where you guys are coming from. Money in.... Product delivered.
I've been where you are.... And in this project I will always be long after your boards are installed in your guns.

Try to keep the faith and remain positive.

My number one goal has been and still is to deliver the quality product you have been paciently waiting for. For those of you that live in NH or want to drive the distance.... Please stop on by any Wed., Thursday, or every other Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
Everything is here for you to see if seeing is believing for your needs.

Are you able to assemble the boards yourself?
Is the cost to assemble the boards for parts, or the labor to have someone else do it?

Can I assemble the boards myself?
Yes

Will I?
No

Reason??
The boards are not very complex but require a bit more skill than what I have acquired thus far.
I have tried to do some sample boards myself and have made a 60% success rate with the resistors. Keep in mind thats JUST the resistors! Some of the package sizes are 403-402,.. which is the smallest in hand tools you can dare to go.

Without a machine,... the parts will fry from electro-static charge the second you look at them.

Things I have done myself:
Assemble the wire harnesses for the components like solenoids, HES, power cables,....

I paid the board company the retainer to print the boards. With the money vested toward the assembly from you guys,.. they are going to warranty the boards as they are assembled.

Hence,... not worth your money to have me TRY to assemble your board.....

Keep in mind this is YOUR money we are talking about here,.... not mine.

Reason??
The boards are not very complex but require a bit more skill than what I have acquired thus far.
I have tried to do some sample boards myself and have made a 60% success rate with the resistors. Keep in mind thats JUST the resistors! Some of the package sizes are 403-402,.. which is the smallest in hand tools you can dare to go.

Without a machine,... the parts will fry from electro-static charge the second you look at them.

Things I have done myself:
Assemble the wire harnesses for the components like solenoids, HES, power cables,....

I paid the board company the retainer to print the boards. With the money vested toward the assembly from you guys,.. they are going to warranty the boards as they are assembled.

Hence,... not worth your money to have me TRY to assemble your board.....

Keep in mind this is YOUR money we are talking about here,.... not mine.

Not worth the gamble

any recommendations on how to get people to finish paying.
lol
i would really like to get my boards.

i hate waiting for 20-35.... yr old kids who dont know how to manage their money try to find the money to pay for stuff like this.