It's cool that you can hear him playing a bunch of beats by hand, but if he wasn't also DOOM the rapper, no one would pay much attention to these beats of his.

His work on the Geedorah album as a producer - in the sense of putting a whole conceptual project together - was outstanding. That's a great producer record, but it's not because the beats are so good.

I wouldn't say he has an "ear for samples" - he's average in that dept.

To me, all that matters is that I like and can repeatedly listen to about 95% of his production. That's what makes a great producer in my mind. While his technical skills may run on the more average side, and I can understand how that might disqualify him for some people, I've happily bumped nearly every one of his produced tracks. I can't say that for RZA, even though he's got so many incredible tracks (could say it for Prince Paul, The Madlib, etc.) Metal Fingers has got the early, melodic stuff, his sound/sample-collage stuff, and his darker more recent stuff, so much good shit, he never fell off for me. I'd definitely classify Take Me To Your Leader as DOOM's production masterpiece (including the beats!) but to me even Operation: DD and MM..FOOD stand out in terms of production. I wouldn't call him underrated though, I think he generally gets the amount of acclaim he deserves from those in the know. Of course, you're not gonna hear no Special Herbs on the radio though.

Nice summation. Cant get into his other projects because I keep expecting Doomsday and Food, myself.

The last effort JJ was bothersome. You pay to hear his mind and solely his mind not that of these other guys. I do not expect him to be able to put out that effort anymore, but his unique ideas beats out the collabo stuff.

Nice summation. Cant get into his other projects because I keep expecting Doomsday and Food, myself.

The last effort JJ was bothersome. You pay to hear his mind and solely his mind not that of these other guys. I do not expect him to be able to put out that effort anymore, but his unique ideas beats out the collabo stuff.

I want to see him only play games that he wins at.

WHAT?! This statement is asinine. I feel bad that you've never spent time with Madvillain. And you obviously need to go back and bump Keys To The Kuff again because that shit is lovely. Yeah, it ain't Operation but its also not 1999 anymore either.

And you obviously need to go back and bump Keys To The Kuff again because that shit is lovely.

I wonder if some folks only gave this one a few listens and judge it by that. This one took me some time to appreciate, but it's def a solid project with some great highlights to me now (especially with the new tracks included).

On topic, I don't think anyone would say DOOM's an amazing producer but he's def a solid one imo. Especially given the fact that it's clear he's an emcee first/producer second. I own that Special Herbs set on vinyl, def some great stuff in the collection imo.

King Geedorah album def proves he has some skills producing. Favorite one off that record:

I remember coming across a discussion years ago, maybe on the old Hip Hop Site forum, that said something about at least some of the Special Herbs being produced by DJ Subroc (RIP). Does anyone have any idea which if any of them DOOM's late great brother put together? Be interesting to know...

I remember coming across a discussion years ago, maybe on the old Hip Hop Site forum, that said something about at least some of the Special Herbs being produced by DJ Subroc (RIP). Does anyone have any idea which if any of them DOOM's late great brother put together? Be interesting to know...

Peach Extract is Peach Fuzz, so yeah it's Subroc/Zev like majority of KMD stuff in general.Hands of Doom is Shallots. While Subroc isn't listed on Operation Doomsday, Herbs 1&2 mentions Shallots being "from the spice-racks of" DJ Subroc.On Special Herbs Guide, Rainblood and Clipse of Doom is listed as Bergamot Wild, then again as Four Thieves Vinegar for Escape From Monsta Isle. Don't know about the booklet for the Herbs release, but DOOM is credited on all releases as far as I see. Execpt Monsta Island credits the late great Subroc for overseeing the whole proejct...Hoe Cakes is only DOOM on the vinyl and album, don't know what it says about Jasmine Blossoms on the Herbs booklet...Finally Scientific Civilization is credited for DOOM on Monsta Island (and as Jellyfish on FIshscale), but on Herbs 1&2 it says "Joe Doe" on Sumac Berries.

Also, Nettle Leaves is credited to Mr. Fantastic but on Doomsday it says Who You Think I Am? is co-produced by Big Lou. But when Saffron credits noone besides DOOM, on Doomsday the title track is co-produced by X-Ray.

tl;dr: KMD stuff for sure. Shallots too maybe yes no? Production credits differ between releases. On another note, check X-Ray's bandcamp if you haven't before: http://xraydamindbenda.bandcamp.comCame across it just now, so thanks for that nervous.

KMD stuff: Garbage Day #3, Get-U-Now, Sweet Premium Wine, Smoking That Shit, Black Bastards, It Sounded Like A Roc, Plumskinzz, Hard Wit No Hoe, and probably a bunch more, which are credited as being produced by KMD (MF probably helped out on those). Sub may have provided the framework for some of the other Herbs, I guess we'll never know... Special Herbs 1-2 seem to have a lot more co-producers (Big Jim, DJ Cucumber Slice, DJ Pocket, DJ Spinna, etc.)

You guys are hilarious. Doom's beats are raw. He's aware of how you soundcloud/mediashare producers make your wack beats, but he does it his way. But I guess referring to him as "average" becuase you're jealous people are still talking about his records ten years later and no one gives two shits about your downloads makes you feel better.

While I like how you do not mince your words, unlike most posters; and appreciate your love for DOOM--I do not think that the beats on here are bad at all. I am a pretty harsh critic and I have enjoyed many peoples' beats on here. I'd love to see yours and see why you are so full of scorn.

On that note, I have been trying to ascertain why people think that this John Wayne guy is so good. But, hey, all these other people are fans.