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Nope its a petition to sign Pervis Ellington page. Lolololololololllolololololll

I was actually wrong. I edited my original post.

Last American-born Caucasian that went first in the draft was Kent Benson, 1977.

"I'm not going to allow my putative owner to answer that question, this is an NBA related press conference. Paul Tagliabue and Roger Goodell have collectively sung their praises of Tom and if uh ESPN has a problem with that tell Mr. Skipper to call me at my office."

No, it's the truth. And you're apparently too blind to see what's in front of you. This has been addressed plenty of times. I didn't say Zeller wasn't worthy of being the #1 pick. All I said was that looking at the way past drafts have gone, I'd be pleasantly surprised if Zeller goes 1.

And this does matter because if he doesn't go 1, we may have a shot at getting him being that I think we'll end up with one of the five worst records in the league.

I gave you the facts. I'll let you decide why you think such a disparity may exist. I'm just excited at the prospect of possibly landing him. Zeller and Davis would make such a nasty frontcourt duo.

My feelings are more that the reason we haven't had a white guy go number one is because we haven't had one that was talented enough to go number 1. Zeller is talented enough to go number 1.

Best player available regardless of position. In their primes, Anthony Davis can play the 4 or 5 IMO and Rivers can play the 1 or 2. Gordon can play the 1 or 2 as well, but who knows about his future health. At this point, I'd assume he won't be on the team when Davis & Rivers get new contracts. Since they're not limited to any specific position, you can draft anyone.

My feelings are more that the reason we haven't had a white guy go number one is because we haven't had one that was talented enough to go number 1. Zeller is talented enough to go number 1.

Not so much that it's a racial stigma.

You don't think there's been one American-born Caucasian college basketball player talented enough to go #1 in the past 35 years? Really? Fair enough. I'm done talking about this here, at least.

I think the more important point is that we both agree that Zeller would make a great addition to our team. I only bought the "race" thing up in order to convince you and others that we don't necessarily need the #1 pick to have an opportunity to snag him.

Originally Posted by bradael

Best player available regardless of position. In their primes, Anthony Davis can play the 4 or 5 IMO and Rivers can play the 1 or 2. Gordon can play the 1 or 2 as well, but who knows about his future health. At this point, I'd assume he won't be on the team when Davis & Rivers get new contracts. Since they're not limited to any specific position, you can draft anyone.

It just so happens that next year's draft is pretty deep with 3s and 5s, arguably our weakest positions.

(I'm not counting PG b/c Monty and Demps have that spot "filled" long-term with Rivers).

You don't think there's been one American-born Caucasian college basketball player talented enough to go #1 in the past 35 years? Really? Fair enough. I'm done talking about this here, at least.

I think the more important point is that we both agree that Zeller would make a great addition to our team. I just bought the "race" thing up in order to convince you and others that we don't need the #1 pick to have an opportunity to snag him.

No there hasn't been, at least not in the last 15 years of my memory. Don't feel like looking back. Point out the one that was snubbed. From a drafting point of view and not from his career.

Larry bird was 30ish years ago, but no not many white players have lived up to billing in awhile. Love is a flawed star. This is coming from a white guy.

Lol I am a white guy also. Larry Bird and Kevin Love. Neither were very athletic and without hindsight would be hard to take number 1. Obviously they both are worth 1st pick after seeing how good they are/were. But the top spot in the draft is so potential based.

Edit: My point is I think Zeller has a shot at number one, He is way more "talented" than a Kevin Love was coming out.

Lol I am a white guy also. Larry Bird and Kevin Love. Neither were very athletic and without hindsight would be hard to take number 1. Obviously they both are worth 1st pick after seeing how good they are/where. But the top spot in the draft is so potential based.

Edit: My point is I think Zeller has a shot at number one, He is way more "talented" than a Kevin Love was coming out.

Not really for Love who had question marks of atheticism and height; plus that was the Derek Rose draft. Bird should have gone #1, but he had question marks as well coming from a small college. I'm not sure Zellar will have the ceiling that a Noel or Shabazz have.

Not really for Love who had question marks of atheticism and height; plus that was the Derek Rose draft. Bird should have gone #1, but he had question marks as well coming from a small college. I'm not sure Zellar will have the ceiling that a Noel or Shabazz have.

We are agreeing. On all points. I wasn't really saying Love should have been number 1. I was saying what you are saying in that he had question marks.

As for Noel and Shabazz I agree with you. They have the higher ceiling but Zellers ceiling is really high too. We shall see.

yeah, it'll matter who's drafting honestly. I think a guy like Zeller would be great next to Davis personally. But if Gordon stays injured we may need to grab another wing.

I'd rather a wing player. I think Anderson-Davis will make up our starting frontcourt for years to come. We need a 2 and a 3 to grow alongside Rivers. If we could land a Shabazz/McAdoo/Mitchell and then sign Iggy, we'd be set. But if Zeller is available, and both Shabazz and McAdoo is gone, you have to seriously consider taking Zeller. It'll probably come down to need vs. talent at the end of the day, as it always does. This is all dictated on how we perform this season and where we end up in the lottery.