Teresaol31:alienated: RoyBatty: alienated: Anyhow, I can see this, along with Obi Wan coming back. I dont see them not being a one trick pony, except as flashback fodder should there be and ep VIIII or X . We shall see, and I will pay full price for a film set after the rebels won.

Yeah, if Obi Wan only comes back as an annoying smug ghost, how is he more powerful than Darth Vader could possibly imagine?

I imagine Obi being the one to take the upper road, so, He does not fade away like Sauron once did, I see him more as a Gandalf the White as opposed to Saruman who, nm- that wasnt in the films.

Just had to go there, did ya?

/Just re-read LOTR again.//Every time I read it I want to scream about the short attention span involved in America cinema.///After the very first movie succeeded, Jackson should have held out to make 6 full length movies instead of 3 so that he could cover the actual farking material instead of doing this stupid compressed, skewed story line he ended up with. The movies are pretty, but they do NOT tell the stories well at all. Hint, if each 'book' actually contains two books, that would mean it's not a 'trilogy' but a six part series. It can't be done well in 6 hours and nobody should have TRIED to cover it in six hours.

Krymson Tyde:Speaking of Vader:Here's my daughter's birthday cake from a few weeks ago[i232.photobucket.com image 300x200]And here is Vader (one of her gifts) having tea and cookies[i232.photobucket.com image 239x320]She believes him to be dead; would you shatter a little girl's belief system just to make a buck?

This is America, where we shatter LOTS of foreign little kids' dreams in foreign sweatshops just so people can buy Gucci bags and have corporations make a shiat-ton of money in the process.

So, yes.

Also, they could easily bring Vader back...as one of those Force ghosts or whatever the hell they are. No need to resurrect him.

AverageAmericanGuy:Vader didn't really die. If he had died, he would have completely disappeared, like Obi Won did in A New Hope and Yoda did in Revenge of the Jedi. At the end of ROTJ, we see Luke carrying Vader's 'corpse' to the pyre and floating it out into the sea. If he were really dead, there would have been no body.

IIRC, Lucas has stated that Vader's body -or what was left of it- did indeed disappear. Luke cremated the life-support armor and cybernetics, but the body was gone.

Also IIRC, there's precedent for that. Didn't Obi-Wan's clothing remain when his body vanished? Why not Vader's, then, even if it held a more rigid shape?

Disneygeorge lucas doesn't care about your childhood. Disneygeorge lucas doesn't care about canon. Disneygeorge lucas doesn't care what the internet thinks. Disneygeorge lucas cares about making money. Disneygeorgelucaswillhas gutted your beloved stories and it is now crap. And Disneyeveryone knows that no matter how much you b*tch about it, you will be first in line at midnight with your $25 IMAX 3D ticket in hand because you have no spine.

xanadian:Krymson Tyde: Speaking of Vader:Here's my daughter's birthday cake from a few weeks ago[i232.photobucket.com image 300x200]And here is Vader (one of her gifts) having tea and cookies[i232.photobucket.com image 239x320]She believes him to be dead; would you shatter a little girl's belief system just to make a buck?

This is America, where we shatter LOTS of foreign little kids' dreams in foreign sweatshops just so people can buy Gucci bags and have corporations make a shiat-ton of money in the process.

So, yes.

Also, they could easily bring Vader back...as one of those Force ghosts or whatever the hell they are. No need to resurrect him.

propasaurus:Teresaol31: alienated: RoyBatty: alienated: Anyhow, I can see this, along with Obi Wan coming back. I dont see them not being a one trick pony, except as flashback fodder should there be and ep VIIII or X . We shall see, and I will pay full price for a film set after the rebels won.

Yeah, if Obi Wan only comes back as an annoying smug ghost, how is he more powerful than Darth Vader could possibly imagine?

I imagine Obi being the one to take the upper road, so, He does not fade away like Sauron once did, I see him more as a Gandalf the White as opposed to Saruman who, nm- that wasnt in the films.

Just had to go there, did ya?

/Just re-read LOTR again.//Every time I read it I want to scream about the short attention span involved in America cinema.///After the very first movie succeeded, Jackson should have held out to make 6 full length movies instead of 3 so that he could cover the actual farking material instead of doing this stupid compressed, skewed story line he ended up with. The movies are pretty, but they do NOT tell the stories well at all. Hint, if each 'book' actually contains two books, that would mean it's not a 'trilogy' but a six part series. It can't be done well in 6 hours and nobody should have TRIED to cover it in six hours.

Why yes, I'm a female Tolkien geek, have a problem with that?

So you mean the books aren't about walking across New Zealand?

Sigh. I like LOTR as much as the next person, but the whole "film the whole damned thing scene by scene" diss has always bothered me. Here's why: people have different expectations when they go to see films, even ones that are 2-3 hours long. Also, there's a lot of stuff in the books that would not have translated well to the screen without excising significant parts of the narrative. If you want to pay to see a film in which a major character appears and then disappears with little explanation (Bombadil), or watch trees talk for several days about their lives, their history, their romantic relationships, and whether or not to go to war (the Ent Council), then, by all means, go see it. You'll be the only one.

I think this is the most important statement in the thread so far. This is, what, the third (Fourth? Fifth?) rumor posted about these movies since the announcement? There's no more credible sources in this article than in any issue of World News Daily. Sure it's fun to speculate, but let's all just calm the fark down until there's some real, solid news the go off of.

RoyBatty:Okay, it seems really dumb, and I am not a zealous fan, but if Obi Wan can say, "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine ..." and isn't there already all this canon stuff about Force Ghosts...

Rediscovery

Qui-Gon Jinn was the first of the recent Jedi who rediscovered this secret with the assistance of a shaman of the Whills. Qui-Gon's spirit guided Yoda and Obi-Wan Kenobi and revealed to them the secret of retaining one's individuality after becoming one with the Force. Yoda during his exile taught it to another Jedi Master, Qu Rahn. The Dark Woman also learned of it at some point-perhaps Qui-Gon also appeared to her during her years in hiding on Cophrigin V.

Death for those Jedi were different: their spirits could retain their individuality and could return as voices, dreams, or apparitions at will, so that they could help those in need of their guidance. On death, their bodies vanished; this was not the case with Qui-Gon, however, probably being a technique evolved by Obi-Wan and Yoda, under Qui-Gon's guidance.

This state was temporary, as Force ghosts were an intermediate state between life and afterlife; after a certain amount of time, they would then have to move on to the Netherworld of the Force, another realm of existence. Darth Vader learned of this ability through Darth Sidious, and upon his death, the spirits of Kenobi and Yoda completed his training by granting him the last step in becoming a spirit. Anakin's spirit appeared as that of his younger self, prior to his fall to the dark side.

therecksays:In the original trilogy and in Old Republic it is not uncommon to have those strong in the Force to have ghosts bopping around.

While I fully want them to just do an Old Republic Trilogy, why can't they just make a new farking villain? Darth Maul should have been in all 3 prequels IMO. He was that strong and interesting of a character.

Lysol_Please:AverageAmericanGuy: Vader didn't really die. If he had died, he would have completely disappeared, like Obi Won did in A New Hope and Yoda did in Revenge of the Jedi. At the end of ROTJ, we see Luke carrying Vader's 'corpse' to the pyre and floating it out into the sea. If he were really dead, there would have been no body.

Well, except that Hayden Sebastian Shaw appears at the end of ROTJ all Casper-like.

Fixed for accuracy.

/Fingers crossed that Disney will eventually restore the original theatrical releases.

At this point, I could barely give two f'ks about Star Wars. Lucas get a damn fine job in screwing up the franchise, and the 25 year bombardment of it has made me numb to the idea of anything Star Wars related.

Selling it to Disney made good business sense. But it's like when somebody bought the rights to that Duke Nukem Forever game, finally finished it, and it ended up sucking like most people predicted. This is what I believe will happen to the Star Wars movies. Unless I'm surprised, but Disney has a track record of screwing up things about as badly as Lucas. South Park's version of Mickey Mouse is a pretty good idea of how the company works as a whole.

/on the plus side, they seem to be mostly leaving Marvel alone to do great things with super hero movies...

Jizz Master Zero:They brought Darth Maul back in The Clone Wars. His initial appearance gave him a mechanical spider for a lower half that was revealed (in the supplementals if not in the episode itself) to have been "manifested" by the Dark Side. Maul was already a big ball of hate but his "death" at the hands of Obi-Wan gave him a focus for it, and the Dark Side was paying attention.

I would love a reveal of a new Vader being nothing but a complete machine created by the Dark Side, a physical manifestation of the hatred in Anakin that was shed when he opted to turn his back on Palpatine and help his son. The villain isn't someone using the Dark Side. The villain is the motherfarking Dark Side.

That's an incredible thought. I wish I could put into words ideas like you guys can that have studied and know so many more details about all of Star Wars. I can see Luke and the Jedi he trains, leads or warches over encountering the new Vader with his incredible powers and in awe or defeated. Obi Wan, Yoda and Vader appear and explain to Luke what and where the new Vader came from and the only way he can be defeated which will take three movies. Am I doing it right? Is this ok? I'm just kidding, I can't keep up with you guys even though SW A New Hope came out when I was 13 and i kept up as well as I could with that limited resource called a newspaper we had back then. Keep going it's really interesting to me at nearly 48. And I honestly can't wait for the movies to come out.

I just picked up Heir to the Empire. I think substituting Vader as the clone Sith makes the most sense if there is indeed any credence to this rumor. The article also stated that Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford were signed to reprise their roles, but the last I heard, they only all said they'd be interested in doing so, not that anything had been inked. But who knows.. they may just ignore the novels.

Well we have a few years to play rumor hockey until the movie comes out and everyone hates it because it's not what it was 35 years ago.

It will turn out to be Old Man MacGillicuddy in a Darth Vader costume. The Junior Jedi Squad will thwart his plans to scare away visitors to the Sithland Adventure Theme Park so he can snap up the claim to the rich deposits of Mitichlorians that are underneath the Darthbo the Elephant ride.

/Also- Star Wars "BOOKS?" Do you have no pride? Why do you waste your money on that crap?//Please, people. Leave that crappy authorized fan-fic alone and buy some REAL sci-fi.

weirdneighbour:It sure would suck being a voice actor now; no movies for you!

/i know, cartoons and animated series, but no movies

You mean Hamill? I don't see any problem with him or any of the original cast being in at least the first one or two. Doubt I would see the new ones if they weren't in them.To me that was where SWs began and that was the cast in it. For me the new ones need to pick up close to ROTJ left off. Not so far ahead as the main characters have died off. I want to know what happened with their life and where they are now and putting (35-40?) yrs. on them sounds about right to me. I think most casual fans and fans would want to know. Could be wrong as I have been lots of times before.

alienated:Teresaol31: Why yes, I'm a female Tolkien geek, have a problem with that?

Um, not really. Besides the point that you are bitter about the films, of course.Who would, if you dont mind me asking . You do understand that Peter filmed all 3 films at the same time for a budget, I hope. ...Tell me i am wrong in Noldorin, or even Sindarin, and then we can out geek each other. But I am going to bed, and am having my familiars warm the bed, even now. : )

I think this is the most important statement in the thread so far. This is, what, the third (Fourth? Fifth?) rumor posted about these movies since the announcement? There's no more credible sources in this article than in any issue of World News Daily. Sure it's fun to speculate, but let's all just calm the fark down until there's some real, solid news the go off of.

Disney doesn't care about your childhood. Disney doesn't care about canon. Disney doesn't care what the internet thinks. Disney cares about making money. Disney will gut your beloved stories and you will get Star Wars X: On Stranger Tides in 3D. And Disney knows that no matter how much you b*tch about it, you will be first in line at midnight with your $25 IMAX 3D ticket in hand because you have no spine.

Pretty much, but the same could be said of Lucas himself for the past 15 years or so, so this isn't news.

As I've said before, something that was once special to me has been turned into something cheap and tawdry, and I don't care about it any more.

peterthx:Mad_Radhu:/Fingers crossed that Disney will eventually restore the original theatrical releases 80-year old dude who's performance was still kept intact (Vader's unmasking) in the Special Edition.

Shaw's replacement in the final shots of Jedi doesn't bother me in the slightest.

It does me. Obi Wan and Yoda are stuck as old men for all eternity as Force Ghosts. It seems incredibly unfair that someone who spent most of their life being an evil dick who supported genocide gets to be young and handsome again. That whole "everything is forgiven so long as you say you're sorry and feel really bad about it" thing drives me up the wall. Some sins should be beyond forgiveness, such as aiding in the murder of billions of innocents.

industry insiders say the evil Vader will grace the big screen again."He's an integral part of the franchise. Replacing him is virtually impossible," explains a film mole."The plan is for him to return and play a significant role in the new films."

"Industry Insider" is usually as reliable as "close friend" is when quoted in the tabloids.

also, Writer Michael Arndt is already working on the new Star Wars scripts.

so there is NOTHING aside from some random ramblings to suggest that Vader is returning. If anything at all, it would be his Jedi Ghost.