1. Jesus spoke of a lake of fire in revelation.
2. Catholic Purgatory is a Lie!
3. Their is a hell.

If the Bible is the word of God and is so great that all men should follow it without question then why does it contain over 3000 contradictions? 1500
in the 4 Gospels alone?
If a student wrote a test paper with a fraction of that many contradictions they would get an F.
So why would any sain person put their faith in a book like that?
Why would any rationally thinking God expect man to put his faith in such a book?

I nearly did a spit-take. Please, where is there any good evidence that Jesus even existed? There are literally no accounts of Jesus that survive
which were written during his lifetime. Only decades after his supposed life do we get the first gospels and those written in Greek by
non-eyewitnesses. Even more ridiculous is the implication of your statement, that Jesus still exists.

Are you connecting with the ultimate source of all fulfillment and spirituality or are you being short changed?

Speaking as a former Christian I can say without reservation that there is nothing all that fulfilling about trying to connect with God or deluding
yourself into thinking that you are somehow incomplete without the supernatural. Christianity, which itself has become increasingly nebulous and
similar to New Age beliefs in that regard, often portrays Jesus as the only thing that can fill the "emptiness" within us. From experience however
Christianity, by offering answers but no explanations, only deepens a sense of emptiness that it itself helps to create. The religion infects you with
a disease (you are a wretched sinner living an empty life) and then sells you the cure (but Jesus loves you and can fill the emptiness). The most
fulfilling part of Christianity isn't self-delusion regarding life after death or supposed saviors but instead the sense of community and warmth, the
friendships that can develop in a congregation.

On the contrary, it is the culmination of ancient pagan pantheist mysticism.

Among other things. New Age is what might be defined as a Hodge-Podge belief system where almost anything can be incorporated, including elements of
Christianity. But then one could make similar arguments about Christianity since the Bible mentions dragons, necromancy (talking to the dead),
astrology (Wise men follow a star), sorcery, prophecy, ritual sacrifice of animals involving where to spread the blood and organs, etc etc. In other
words Christianity in its modern form borrows heavily from other religions and cultures and in its ancient form (the Bible) does the same. Making it
as spiritually dead as New Age is, by your own standard.

You want to be honest, even if you're willing to step on some toes? So am I!

If any belief whatsoever empowers a person, he is 'enlightened' and 'spiritually awake' as far as I'm concerned. The key isn't the specific belief,
it's the empowerment that BELIEVING gives to the believer. That is all that matters, end of story. You can put that on my tombstone.

Thousands of Christian denominations that have never been unified, and were and have been fighting and arguing against each other and non-believers
since the beginning of the religion; we are still going to take this my-way-or-the-highway-crap seriously? Please.

The problem arises when others push their beliefs as the truth, when they are in fact only truths to you, the believer. However, this is
natural human behavior. It has nothing to with saving souls, and everything to do with ego and and instinctual need for social dominance over other
people. Too bad many of you will never come to this self-realization. Love can be beautiful or it can be a sick, perverse psychological disorder.

The same people who push their beliefs on others are the same people who would brainwash a child in a second to hate a homosexual. Then it becomes
that old crap 'hate the sin, not the sinner', ignorantly not realizing a child will never seperate the two. How moral. But even the ethical
implications of brainwashing children into a religion (taking their personal choice away and forcing your belief) is a whole nother can of worms,
isn't it?

Back to nu-agers. The sad fact is that most (not all) of them don't even qualify as pseudo-intellectuals, and for these it is more of a fashion
statement, a social novelty, and they blabber on and on about nothing sensible or logical, occasionally interjecting with some flowery nonsense about
love and peace, and 'forces' they feel. Not too different from Christians. Whatever floats your boat, I guess, but why even take these people
seriously. Don't cast your pearls before swine, right? I know. It's hard.

OP, people like you need to understand your own motivations for pushing your godman. They have very little to do with any real love or acceptance.
Living a life free of sin because of a threatened punishment is not morally sound. Neither is living a life free of sin so you can earn a reward.
Altruism. Look into it.

You know me because? Our definition of spiritual are totally different But I forgot that you are one of those self proclaimed divine souls that knows
everything there is to know about Jesus Christ So you must no more about these things than I do.

I did not take any thing out of context, which is why I posted scripture leading up to my point.

We see different things from the bible so I am afraid that any form of information (whether strait from the bible or strait from the heart) you will
not take into consideration.

You have made up your mind and you are holier than thou........ Let me know how that works out for you.

Originally posted by TechUnique
I recently further developed my already existing relationship with god and I consider myself more of a Christian now although I still have a long way
to go. I also cultivate chi and believe in some of what you may consider 'New age'. Your thoughts?

Also. Please clarify on what you mean by 'New ager' it is an extremely broad term.

Maybe this will help...

"The New Age Movement is Designedto Destroy True Biblical Christianity"

I nearly did a spit-take. Please, where is there any good evidence that Jesus even existed? There are literally no accounts of Jesus that survive
which were written during his lifetime. Only decades after his supposed life do we get the first gospels and those written in Greek by
non-eyewitnesses. Even more ridiculous is the implication of your statement, that Jesus still exists.

Frankly, I think it's pretty reasonable to question what really went on given the lack of ANY documented PERSONAL writings from "God's only begotten
son" and "savior of man." If he existed, what is the likelihood that he would have failed to record any of his own personal thoughts? We have been
given every last one of them on the level of hearsay from a third party.

Anyone that can make an excuse for this absence of writings from the "horse's mouth" should wonder two things:

1. Did Jesus really even exist?

2. If he did exist, does the fact that there is no "Book of Jesus" mean that his written word has been purposely concealed or destroyed so that
humanity would not read it? If so, WHY?

Originally posted by Balkan
You want to be honest, even if you're willing to step on some toes? So am I!

If any belief whatsoever empowers a person, he is 'enlightened' and 'spiritually awake' as far as I'm concerned. The key isn't the specific
belief, it's the empowerment that BELIEVING gives to the believer. That is all that matters, end of story. You can put that on my tombstone.

Thousands of Christian denominations that have never been unified, and were and have been fighting and arguing against each other and non-believers
since the beginning of the religion; we are still going to take this my-way-or-the-highway-crap seriously? Please.

The problem arises when others push their beliefs as the truth, when they are in fact only truths to you, the believer. However, this is
natural human behavior. It has nothing to with saving souls, and everything to do with ego and and instinctual need for social dominance over other
people. Too bad many of you will never come to this self-realization. Love can be beautiful or it can be a sick, perverse psychological disorder.

The same people who push their beliefs on others are the same people who would brainwash a child in a second to hate a homosexual. Then it becomes
that old crap 'hate the sin, not the sinner', ignorantly not realizing a child will never seperate the two. How moral. But even the ethical
implications of brainwashing children into a religion (taking their personal choice away and forcing your belief) is a whole nother can of worms,
isn't it?

Back to nu-agers. The sad fact is that most (not all) of them don't even qualify as pseudo-intellectuals, and for these it is more of a fashion
statement, a social novelty, and they blabber on and on about nothing sensible or logical, occasionally interjecting with some flowery nonsense about
love and peace, and 'forces' they feel. Not too different from Christians. Whatever floats your boat, I guess, but why even take these people
seriously. Don't cast your pearls before swine, right? I know. It's hard.

OP, people like you need to understand your own motivations for pushing your godman. They have very little to do with any real love or acceptance.
Living a life free of sin because of a threatened punishment is not morally sound. Neither is living a life free of sin so you can earn a reward.
Altruism. Look into it.

I know who Christ is through the scriptures. I do not claim to know everything about him but I know who he is not. Perhaps you are talking about a
different Jesus and not the one in the bible? We see the same things from the Bible you just choose to twist scriptures like the pharisees
did.

Well I can know that your not a Christian if you claim there is another mediator other than Jesus. The scriptures just proven you wrong yet you
continue to argue? That is exactly what the pharisees did. And who says I am judging your heart? I am just letting you know what the scriptures
say.

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There is no other mediator than the Christ. The problem is, you don't know what the Christ is. You have a kindergarten, cartoonish conception of
Christ.

You are a child on a diet of exoteric milk. Not esoteric solid food.

You have a kindergarten conception of God, a narrow one and a cartoonish conception of "New Age".

This happens all through history. Ignorant fundamentalist orthodox children with their exoteric milk think they can run around judging esoteric
mystics with their solid food. It happened to Jesus back then and it happens to Christian mystics today.

OP, you condemn and judge because you do not understand; perhaps you are too afraid to understand, but most likely not ready to. The keys of knowledge
are available to those who seek and keep seeking, through wisdom and simplicity. Those who have shown that their hearts and minds are ready will find
the meanings and inner-workings of the "kingdom." Through love first and foremost, through knowing ourselves, through oneness, through integrity and
will, we drink from the mouth of the living one.

People often fear and ridicule what they do not understand. The stones you cast however will only end up burning you, so I suggest you take a good
hard look at yourself before you're covered in burns.

The Bible was written by man. Not God nor Jesus put a pen to it. The thing is up for interpretation. It can read to all nations and be understood by
all nations if read in that nations context. If not then it is just your context and is meant for you.

Just as some feel that Jesus is the greatest gift and some feel that our free will is the greatest gift. Or how some read that there is no hell and
some read that there is.

You are not a chosen one to tell people that they are wrong in their faith. You are to simply spread the WORD and let the people interpret for them
self's.

So Jesus was into ancient pagan pantheist mysticism even though he condemned such things?

Makes sense... Not

Jesus was a mystic. To follow in his footsteps is to become a mystic too.

Every religion has a mystical tradition at its heart. Even Christianity. The mystical tradition is in the esoteric layer of the religion, not the
exoteric layer.

Fundamentalism and orthodoxy have their place. Just as baby-food has its place. Their place is in the exoteric ("outer") layer. There is nothing wrong
with baby-food. Unless you refuse to outgrow it.

When you are ready for the esoteric ("inner") understanding of a Christian mystic, the Holy Spirit will lead you to it. Until then, I would advise you
to avoid arrogantly judging things you don't understand. You are only hurting yourself.

"The Christian of the future will be a mystic, or he will not exist" -Karl Rahner

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