At Hab Rec if I remember correctly one of the pools teed off from down below from a natural pad. I think this is what harrission means by missing it at Hab Rec.

Hey btw while I am here on this thread the Chick Flick will be at Milo on Sunday with our fundraiser lunch. $5 for a main dish, desert & soda plus entry into a drawing for a bunch of cool stuff Next Adventure is donating. You can also purchase extra tickets for the drawing for a $1. We will draw the winners at the final.

At Hab Rec if I remember correctly one of the pools teed off from down below from a natural pad. I think this is what harrission means by missing it at Hab Rec.

Hey btw while I am here on this thread the Chick Flick will be at Milo on Sunday with our fundraiser lunch. $5 for a main dish, desert & soda plus entry into a drawing for a bunch of cool stuff Next Adventure is donating. You can also purchase extra tickets for the drawing for a $1. We will draw the winners at the final.

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What were the BSF East round's average SSA from which you gleaned this data? When you subtract 5.05 from this average does it lower the SSA below 58?

Jordan, that SSA was 59 for the east side in the longs and Pro pads last year. This was also in decent weather the year before it was 59.27 with a little worse weather but all long baskets. This is also predicated by the fact that the PRO field an average had a player rating of 1000. As much as we want to believe that the rating system does not depend on the propagators, it does.

My best guess with these changes the course play would lower the SSA by 5 strokes but the points per stroke probably would not leave the 8-8.5 per stroke range. So if you want to make it tougher to win for better players leave it at 8 if you want to make it easier for the better players make it 9. Looks like last year TDG played it closer to 62.5 SSA with the weather and extra clothing I am sure. I bet 8 is still a pretty safe bet as long as you are not stalking the course with a bunch of 1000 rated players

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Jordan, that SSA was 59 for the east side in the longs and Pro pads last year. This was also in decent weather the year before it was 59.27 with a little worse weather but all long baskets. This is also predicated by the fact that the PRO field an average had a player rating of 1000. As much as we want to believe that the rating system does not depend on the propagators, it does.

My best guess with these changes the course play would lower the SSA by 5 strokes but the points per stroke probably would not leave the 8-8.5 per stroke range. So if you want to make it tougher to win for better players leave it at 8 if you want to make it easier for the better players make it 9. Looks like last year TDG played it closer to 62.5 SSA with the weather and extra clothing I am sure. I bet 8 is still a pretty safe bet as long as you are not stalking the course with a bunch of 1000 rated players

Well I wouldn't call it a bunch and certainly NOT the average rating for the field...but we have some very good golfers in TDG. I've seen some pretty amazing scorecards turned in.

Yeah the weather will probably have a measurable effect and also lesson the hole by hole improvement you list above. We really won't know for sure until the rounds are played.

That also reminds me of a possible change to the way we handicap this league next year. What if each round's ssa isn't set before the match and we use whatever ssa is actually shot during the round? It may put some uncertainty in the match if you do not know exactly what you have to shoot to beat your opponent.

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That also reminds me of a possible change to the way we handicap this league next year. What if each round's ssa isn't set before the match and we use whatever ssa is actually shot during the round? It may put some uncertainty in the match if you do not know exactly what you have to shoot to beat your opponent.

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That also reminds me of a possible change to the way we handicap this league next year. What if each round's ssa isn't set before the match and we use whatever ssa is actually shot during the round? It may put some uncertainty in the match if you do not know exactly what you have to shoot to beat your opponent.

If I had a vote I would vote against this change. I rather like knowing the score before and during my match as opposed to the next day when SSA is calculated. That is what competition is all about in my book.

And in my mere 1/2 season experience with ORTDG the handicaps are working out amazingly. Just last weekend all 3 of the matches I played in or watched (1 doubles, 2 singles) were decided on the last hole.

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If I had a vote I would vote against this change. I rather like knowing the score before and during my match as opposed to the next day when SSA is calculated. That is what competition is all about in my book.

And in my mere 1/2 season experience with ORTDG the handicaps are working out amazingly. Just last weekend all 3 of the matches I played in or watched (1 doubles, 2 singles) were decided on the last hole.

I second this.

If we don't have the SSA till the next day why worry about player ratings! Just heads up every match!!!!!!! and then we go random draw (team vs team) to see who plays who in singles and doubles.

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The past ssa's are known for all seasons of ORTDG since Jordan took over. It is easy for anyone to figure out the guesstimated handicaps. I doubt it would change more than one rps if anything at all. Only difference is having to wait to get the official outcome.