In case you didn't notice, there are many versions of Batman, and each of his Villains, he was close to the Dark Knight Joker, like Bane was, but the dark Knight series was very different than the other Batman Comics.

I don't know what you're trying to say here. I'm guessing English isn't your first language.

Do you mean that Batman was close to the Joker and Bane in the Dark Knight films?

Personally I don't see what's wrong with this guy's comment. Heath Ledger's Joker wasn't really very true to the surreal nature of the Joker. He was very grounded in reality which suited the Nolan films perfectly, but the Nolan Films aren't very true to the fundamentals of the Batman series in the first place.

Well, for starters, no it doesn't. It is a very confused sentence that doesn't make much sense.

But the 'Real' joker is the one portrayed in the comics. Everything else is an adaptation. The genuine joker is the one in the comics and whilst he himself isn't very consistent due to differing writers his fundamental factors have remained largely the same. He is a surreal genius psychopath. He is both Batman's opposite and his equal and the most fundamental drive of his character is his sick sense of humour and his twisted view on the world.

Ledger got much of that down but he wasn't surreal. He was very grounded in reality which suited the Nolan universe but not the Batman universe. (Nolan's films forgo a great deal of important factors of the Batman series which is a shame since The Dark Knight is a very good film and the other two are garbage.)

Point is, Ledger was a great Joker, but he wasn't 'The' joker. He was missing the core aspect of what makes the Joker the Joker and whilst it worked in context of the films it doesn't measure up to who the Joker really is in the comics.

But there is no "real joker" because there is no longer any single joker in the comics, there have been so many adaptations, variations and different universes created by various artists that you can't say any single Joker is the real one, because there are complete lunatic Jokers, maniacal Jokers, Alfred Jokers and Smart and Discrete Jokers.

Like I said. The joker is inconsistent because of the many people changing hands in the writing department but the 'real' joker has kept his core values relatively consistent. The others are all copycats and adaptations or alternate-universe versions. Yeah, they're jokers, but the 'Real' joker is the guy who started it all and who the adaptations and copycats are all based on.

I didn't say Nicholson was the 'definitive' joker. I said Heath didn't capture fully the 'real' joker. Neither is the 'real' joker because both are tainted by outside factors. Nolan's films are tainted by their realism which makes them fun to watch but ultimately pretty empty compared to the best of the comics, lacking in the surrealism factors that make the joker as unsettling as he is.

The older movies suffered from too much surreality. They were pretty campy and over the top with bizarre designs and plots that were cluttered and whilst visually striking they had a lot of elements that simply weren't translated well from the comics to the big screen.

The old T.V. series with Adam West was low-budget and campy, focussing on the far lighter-hearted comics of the day which is nice but misses a lot in terms of the real meat of the Batman Series.

The Cartoon series comes closest because going from comic to animation is easier than comic to film. It's got the best joker outside of the comics but it suffers a great deal for it's target demographic, losing the threat and terror that came from the Joker.

That's why I linked the video below. It showcases how (on face-value at the very least) the joker should appear. He should be suave and mad. He should be able to creep you out. He should look like something's off about him in an unreal way. Whilst ledger's joker was off in a realistic way, being a clear drug addict and eccentric madman, the joker portrayed by Anthony Misiano in the video exudes a similar sense of unease but not because he is too ragged and mad-looking, rather because he is too perfect.

I could really gush for days on what aspects of the Joker were done right where and how I have high hopes for 'Chronicles' but characters are too tight to mention atm.

Thanks for the clarity on that. I really had no idea what that guy was trying to say there.

And that's the point, really. Heath Ledger suits the Nolan movies but the Nolan movies don't suit the Batman universe. They pretty much ignore a great deal of the important factors that go into making the Batman series so good. Maybe if the first and last films were as good as The Dark Knight (or... maybe if they were just good would be a start) we would have seen a truer view of the world but as it stands, Ledger's joker is a benchmark to measure other performances to, not the definitive article.

Live action, perhaps. But the best Joker outside of the comics is Mark Hamill. He got to the core of what made the Joker good, his bipolar switching between emotions on a dime, his unpredictability, his brutality, his devotion to his own twisted brand of comedy. I feel he just nailed that better than Nicholson.

That said, in terms of merging live-action and the Joker's character, at least on the aesthetic level, this guy in the video has it nailed. Everyone else looks like a character playing the Joker. Ledger looks like some crazy guy in daft clothes, Nicholson looks like an evil clown. They've both got aspects of the Joker nailed but this guy, at least in terms of how he looks and sounds, has hit the Joker on the head. (Which is rarely a good idea...)

I disagree. I think his serious voice mixed with his clear range with that laugh displays he probably has the ability to do both a gritty, dark, imposing voice and the higher, more nasal voice of the traditional joker with everything in-between. This would lend the character a much more hectic and dynamic range than previous jokers, able to be both the serious, suave gentleman (as displayed by his refined appearance) and the hardcore cook. I think the more human the Joker 'can' be the more unsettling it is when he's not.

That trick only works though if both sides of the character come across as being genuine rather than one being real and the other being the act. If they both feel genuine or if they both feel like an act it works because you have no real handle on what's happening inside his head. If both feel genuine then he's clearly able to spin on a dime and you need to watch what you say. If both are fake then you have no idea what the guy is after.

Point is, I think he comes across as able to marry the bizarre other-worldlyness of the Joker and the reality of the darker, modern supervillain. Caesar Romero was too campy and Nicholson was too intense. Ledger wasn't surreal enough and Hamill wasn't real enough. This is the first performance that seems to combine everything that makes the joker's aesthetic image so powerful.

However this is all in relation to a <2minute video advertising a fan-made internet show so how good he is will depend enormously on the writing.

We know you disagree that's why you posted the video. You're a weird fanboy faggot.

Best Joker is the most entertaining Joker. That goes to Heath.
The animated Joker is great, but that's just voice acting. IT doesn't take the same amount of skill to voice act. Mark is only famous for his role because he was in Star Wars. That's it. It's an interesting fact. If somebody else played the Joker in the animated series before him, HE'D be more iconic.

Pfft, that guy has good cosplay but his voice ruins it. It is pretty clear you're a fanbitch riding on his cock. Nicolson did a good job as playing a cartoonish joker, Mark Hamil's voice as joker was incredible especially when you never knew the guy playing Luke Skywalker is the same guy voicing the Joker, Heath Ledger did a great job playing a joker that's more "realistic". That guy in the video you posted does awesome cosplay and that's all he has going for him, to say he's a better Joker than the three I mentioned...that's not even funny...oh what the heck, I'll laugh anyway, Hahahaha!