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DLottmann

Is there anything to do to help resolve access issues to this cliff or is it a done deal. It's so close to me and I would really like to get on it. I've never climbed there but it sure looks like a great cliff. Bummer. Good winter climbing spot from what I hear and boulders also. Has anyone spoken directly to Coleman? If there is anything I can do i would like to help out. Do not want to make things worse either.

Erik Eisle was supposed to be the point man on this but I haven't heard any more about it/ my understanding is that in NH a landowner is not liable for accidents if they allow people access to recreate on their land.

It is an insurance issue. They had some wiring stolen from some construction vehicles and went to get the insurance money and were denied because the area was not locked down. So they have to keep the whole area locked down. Eric Eisele is the Access Funds regional coordinator, so he would be the person to talk to.

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DLottmann

It is an insurance issue. They had some wiring stolen from some construction vehicles and went to get the insurance money and were denied because the area was not locked down. So they have to keep the whole area locked down. Eric Eisele is the Access Funds regional coordinator, so he would be the person to talk to.

Time to switch insurance companies... typical insurance strategy... “oh, you didn’t have 24 hour armed guards protecting your vehicles?... well you should have read your contract, we don’t have to pay you now.”

And it obviously wasn’t climbers who stole the wiring...

And the place isn’t “locked down” anymore today than it was then... How is it “locked down”?

Ah bureaucracy...

The ironic part is allowing climbers on the property might deter thefts, since I know they don’t have weekend security. Then again the trucks are not parked anywhere near the cliff... I’ld love to know what the insurance company things is reasonable for “locked down”, and how that would prevent metal scavengers from stealing from them...

It is an insurance issue. They had some wiring stolen from some construction vehicles and went to get the insurance money and were denied because the area was not locked down. So they have to keep the whole area locked down. Eric Eisele is the Access Funds regional coordinator, so he would be the person to talk to.

Time to switch insurance companies... typical insurance strategy... “oh, you didn’t have 24 hour armed guards protecting your vehicles?... well you should have read your contract, we don’t have to pay you now.”

And it obviously wasn’t climbers who stole the wiring...

And the place isn’t “locked down” anymore today than it was then... How is it “locked down”?

Ah bureaucracy...

The ironic part is allowing climbers on the property might deter thefts, since I know they don’t have weekend security. Then again the trucks are not parked anywhere near the cliff... I’ld love to know what the insurance company things is reasonable for “locked down”, and how that would prevent metal scavengers from stealing from them...

If only it was that easy to switch liability insurance policies! Anybody who owns a business prays to the insurance gods to keep premiums low as possible so they can keep costs down. It sucks but you do what the insurance man says. If you get dropped you're usually f*cked.. layoffs to follow. I don't know this gentlemen but I doubt Coleman's a climber so all he cares about is his employees and his business.

However I hope things work themselves out. I would think a fence around the yard would be the answer. Not kicking out locals who take care.

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