SparkFun Electronics Commentsurn:uuid:214d0e4e-f1b1-d287-ce26-ac5b4c9f82492015-03-31T14:48:08-06:00SparkFun ElectronicsEric-Montreal on Vote for the OSHW Logo!Eric-Montrealurn:uuid:02692564-35ab-eeb2-e9d6-bb25a2bab59d2011-04-07T08:17:43-06:00<p>Once the fraudulent votes are removed, the winner is &hellip; <a href="http://www.openhardwaresummit.org/2011/04/07/oshw-logo-selected/" rel="nofollow" >Golden Orb</a></p>Dirf on Vote for the OSHW Logo!Dirfurn:uuid:24ca9bc7-fe06-ccb3-62d6-06e25964506d2011-03-28T15:26:59-06:00<p>Yeah&hellip; I&rsquo;ll admit I voted twice with a certain program to test it, and it took about 8 seconds to do. Could be very easily automated and streamlined. The poll is rendered completely useless, I sincerely hope they decide not to use the results. As much as it would suck, the best the can probably do is open a new poll that requires registration, or in the very least, require a captcha each vote to reduce automated entries.</p>Kamiquasi on Vote for the OSHW Logo!Kamiquasiurn:uuid:9e48c55d-14eb-b51c-92ef-c4de282cf0d62011-03-28T12:37:11-06:00<p>&ldquo;It&rsquo;s very close to the official Open source logo and as such clearly indicates it&rsquo;s a continuation of the same ideas."<br/>
I&rsquo;m curious what Open Source Initiative actually thinks about this. The Open source logo you refer to is trademarked. Although I would like to think that OSI would welcome such an extension (although perhaps they&rsquo;d prefer if open source hardware would simply use their existing logo), perhaps they (or their legal team) think it would dilute their trademark value, etc.</p>Kamiquasi on Vote for the OSHW Logo!Kamiquasiurn:uuid:bc7d8d0a-a0cf-5a81-5fbe-9929fa39dc272011-03-28T12:29:08-06:00<p>It&rsquo;s a nice looking logo in general, but it does have some issues.<br/>
For one, it seems to limit things quite a bit to electronics. That might not be a huge issue, as it looks like most of the goals are around electronics anyway.<br/>
For two, the author suggests it could be used without the accompanying text. I disagree, as turning it around 180 degrees clearly makes the copyleft reversed &lsquo;c&rsquo; a regular &lsquo;c&rsquo; again.<br/>
For three, I&rsquo;ll just echo what you said.. the logo should be neutral in what type of openness it is supposed to promote.</p>Kamiquasi on Vote for the OSHW Logo!Kamiquasiurn:uuid:a4742349-052a-c545-7160-46d9a44f1e382011-03-28T12:22:10-06:00<p>Looks like this has since been addressed so that only 1 vote can be issued per IP. This still has issues I won&rsquo;t go into here, but should at least stop a mass-vote.<br/>
They&rsquo;re still looking into removing the existing mass-votes.</p>John Beans on Vote for the OSHW Logo!John Beansurn:uuid:539d9d5d-b768-eb24-14d8-5f83a7ecb42f2011-03-28T11:20:56-06:00<p>I agree with others, the Top 10 could have been chosen better.<br/>
I Like:<br/>
- Unlocked lock (seems universal)<br/>
- Chip icon (ditto)<br/>
I Don&rsquo;t Like:<br/>
- Gears (nerdy, but not relevant)<br/>
- English words, acronyms (not universal, cryptic)<br/>
- Fisting chips, butterflies (see other submissions)<br/>
- &ldquo;Copyleft&rdquo; (an arcane, English-centric play on words)<br/>
So my favorites are the couple that include chips with unlocked locks on them, but didn&rsquo;t make the Top 10. They seem just right.</p>sgrace on Vote for the OSHW Logo!sgraceurn:uuid:668efbe9-a85c-788d-bf71-822ba4061afe2011-03-28T09:17:14-06:00<p>I find the copyleft chip very unimpressive when it comes to a logo for open source hardware.<br/>
As a design itself, it is nice, but for open source hardware, I don&rsquo;t see anything that deals with &ldquo;open.&rdquo; All I see is, &ldquo;Hey, copy me!"<br/>
I personally went with Geared since that can be glanced at and go, "Oh, that&rsquo;s an open hardware.&rdquo;</p>AdamTolley on Vote for the OSHW Logo!AdamTolleyurn:uuid:693dd246-83a7-9cff-f628-086ca49caaf12011-03-28T08:41:13-06:00<p>so somebody has said it:<br/>
Despite the votes I think the geared logo (19) is the best executed. Its got a nice 3D feel to it, its easy to etch (but so are all the others) and it encapsulates three concepts very succinctly:<br/>
openness - by way of having an open outline,<br/>
mechanical hardware - it&rsquo;s a gear<br/>
electronics - the outline ends in little bulbs like a PCB trace<br/>
I think it&rsquo;s very iconic too.<br/>
It probably will not win, but I wanted to give my kudos among everyone declaring that these all suck. Designing a simple yet resonant logo for such a broad concept is not easy, and most of these logos do a pretty good job.</p>schult on Vote for the OSHW Logo!schulturn:uuid:557db207-fd35-20f9-8a89-b972deaa02b52011-03-28T08:28:51-06:00<p>Yeah, that&rsquo;ll work about as well as Rentacoder. It&rsquo;s called spec work, and it&rsquo;s something that most competent designers abhor.</p>Jai on Vote for the OSHW Logo!Jaiurn:uuid:60ec1bf2-863c-9e01-3132-9ec0904944f62011-03-28T05:49:11-06:00<p>there is a website just for that. you tell them you want a logo and you set the price you want to pay. they submit their designs and who ever you pick wins the money you put up. it starts at like $200.00 USD and you can go up from there. no one gets paid till you pick the one that wins.</p>Eric-Montreal on Vote for the OSHW Logo!Eric-Montrealurn:uuid:7f3a4a6d-29e2-41c6-d0b1-8d66519ecbf12011-03-28T04:23:01-06:00<p>Yep, the whole thing is rigged, and anyone can do it :<br/>
Remove the cookies for micropoll.com, reload the OSHW page and vote again, and again, and again &hellip;<br/>
This is ridiculous and the whole process needs to be stopped.<br/>
BTW, some comments (including mine with calculation proving 90% of Sunday votes were for &ldquo;copyleft chip&rdquo;) have been removed from this board (you can see 32 comments and the total is still 45).</p>Dirf on Vote for the OSHW Logo!Dirfurn:uuid:cb5d505c-9047-6954-e900-c387d28036652011-03-28T01:22:13-06:00<p>Well, this is&hellip;interesting. Golden Orb and copyleft chip were neck and neck for the past 3 days, with golden orb winning literally but just a few votes every time I checked. Now I check again tonight to see copyleft has spontaneously gained a 2289 vote lead. This seems rather fishy to me. The method is already trivial enough, having a select group chose 10/129 submissions then leaving an open poll to the public. I&rsquo;d hate to see a winner being chosen because a few people decided they&rsquo;d spoof the vote in their favor.</p>NPoole on Vote for the OSHW Logo!NPooleurn:uuid:7410ac46-ed21-9b19-39ec-292687e594932011-03-27T22:00:43-06:00<p>Copyleft Chip, ftw</p>EvanTeitelman on Vote for the OSHW Logo!EvanTeitelmanurn:uuid:41978d8f-bcea-fb74-a9f8-28d2b247b4552011-03-27T19:10:18-06:00<p>I just finished a script that votes, clears the cookies and votes again.</p>dbc on Vote for the OSHW Logo!dbcurn:uuid:2a021b30-ed27-9878-9dd4-e0b777a88bf12011-03-27T15:46:01-06:00<ol>
<li>Not voting because all the logos suck. Let&rsquo;s give it another go so some decent graphic designer can contribute.</li>
<li>We need <em>two</em> logos &ndash; one that indicates that the design is maintained with a 100% open source tool chain.</li>
</ol>
NPoole on Vote for the OSHW Logo!NPooleurn:uuid:c009636b-dc43-4505-7fed-8529627cab962011-03-27T14:57:41-06:00<p>It would be interesting to see that log.<br/>
Perhaps if one logo wins by a landslide an interested party could petition to see it.<br/>
Of course&hellip; we are only talking about the logo here, not the ideal (which is the most important part)</p>NPoole on Vote for the OSHW Logo!NPooleurn:uuid:e6c6a77f-9e02-c6b3-85db-fb7f75e831492011-03-27T14:54:53-06:00<p>&ldquo;If you mean to say that if it were re-written to include hardware, would it be inappropriate? No, that&rsquo;s precisely what the OSHW did."<br/>
You&rsquo;ve just conceded my point, and re-written the definition of OSHW.<br/>
"when I referred to an "Open Source License,&rdquo; I meant ANY open source license.&ldquo;<br/>
That is to say, any license compliant to the open source definition. There is no confusion here, mate, I&rsquo;ve laid down twice now the model of a definition and a license. You&rsquo;re misunderstanding me when I say Open Source License, I know that "Open Source&rdquo; is not a license but there is such a thing as an Open Source License i.e. licenses approved by OSI. &ldquo;Adaptive Public License&rdquo; is an Open Source License, for example.</p>EvanTeitelman on Vote for the OSHW Logo!EvanTeitelmanurn:uuid:f62f1732-7a9d-adbe-249d-d76c0f65577d2011-03-27T14:11:07-06:00<p>Agreed. Anyone can write a Python or perl script to vote for one of those a thousand times over.</p>EvanTeitelman on Vote for the OSHW Logo!EvanTeitelmanurn:uuid:795f38b9-675e-b4c2-371c-dc52c11c6a252011-03-27T14:05:57-06:00<p>I&rsquo;m voting for the copyleft chip despite its problems.</p>Eric-Montreal on Vote for the OSHW Logo!Eric-Montrealurn:uuid:4a17b866-3ac7-16a2-889d-a5dc087049142011-03-27T13:07:46-06:00<p>If you go to any political site with such polls, You&rsquo;ll see it happening all the times &hellip; The polls says 65% agree, and 5 minutes later, 80% disagree. Sometimes it&rsquo;s someone with too much spare time, sometimes it&rsquo;s a very organized group (no names here, that would open a can of smelly worms). That&rsquo;s why simple safeguards against multiple votes (such as the use of cookies) are not enough and online polls should always be taken with a grain of salt &hellip;<br/>
The poll software seems outsourced, but looking at the openhardwaresummit.org server log for access count discrepancies or bulk accesses for the <a href="http://www.openhardwaresummit.org/oshw-logo-selection/" rel="nofollow" >logo selection page</a> should tell the whole story &hellip;</p>Eric-Montreal on Vote for the OSHW Logo!Eric-Montrealurn:uuid:93408a88-b7f6-41eb-0bf6-e9d0aa1648ed2011-03-27T12:52:51-06:00<p>There seems to be a misunderstanding here. The <a href="http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd" rel="nofollow" >Open Source Definition</a> is not a license, but a set of guidelines to be incorporated in compliant licenses, just like international treaties are a set of guidelines that need to be translated into laws before they can be enforced.<br/>
Since the open source principles were first used for software, they use software terms, but the power of those principles goes way beyond software.<br/>
As an exercise, here is a rewritten version of the Open Source Definition with only the following substitutions :<br/>
software => stuff<br/>
source code => source documents<br/>
program => design<br/>
compiled => manufactured<br/>
-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-<br/>
Introduction<br/>
Open source doesn&rsquo;t just mean access to the source documents. The distribution terms of open-source stuff must comply with the following criteria:<br/>
1. Free Redistribution<br/>
The license shall not restrict any party from selling or giving away the stuff as a component of an aggregate stuff distribution containing designs from several different sources. The license shall not require a royalty or other fee for such sale.<br/>
2. source documents<br/>
The design must include source documents, and must allow distribution in source documents as well as manufactured form. Where some form of a product is not distributed with source documents, there must be a well-publicized means of obtaining the source documents for no more than a reasonable reproduction cost preferably, downloading via the Internet without charge. The source documents must be the preferred form in which a designmer would modify the design. Deliberately obfuscated source documents is not allowed. Intermediate forms such as the output of a preprocessor or translator are not allowed.<br/>
3. Derived Works<br/>
The license must allow modifications and derived works, and must allow them to be distributed under the same terms as the license of the original stuff.<br/>
4. Integrity of The Author&rsquo;s source documents<br/>
The license may restrict source documents from being distributed in modified form only if the license allows the distribution of &ldquo;patch files&rdquo; with the source documents for the purpose of modifying the design at build time. The license must explicitly permit distribution of stuff built from modified source documents. The license may require derived works to carry a different name or version number from the original stuff.<br/>
5. No Discrimination Against Persons or Groups<br/>
The license must not discriminate against any person or group of persons.<br/>
6. No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor<br/>
The license must not restrict anyone from making use of the design in a specific field of endeavor. For example, it may not restrict the design from being used in a business, or from being used for genetic research.<br/>
7. Distribution of License<br/>
The rights attached to the design must apply to all to whom the design is redistributed without the need for execution of an additional license by those parties.<br/>
8. License Must Not Be Specific to a Product<br/>
The rights attached to the design must not depend on the design&rsquo;s being part of a particular stuff distribution. If the design is extracted from that distribution and used or distributed within the terms of the design&rsquo;s license, all parties to whom the design is redistributed should have the same rights as those that are granted in conjunction with the original stuff distribution.<br/>
9. License Must Not Restrict Other stuff<br/>
The license must not place restrictions on other stuff that is distributed along with the licensed stuff. For example, the license must not insist that all other designs distributed on the same medium must be open-source stuff.<br/>
10. License Must Be Technology-Neutral<br/>
No provision of the license may be predicated on any individual technology or style of interface.</p>NPoole on Vote for the OSHW Logo!NPooleurn:uuid:265dc40e-8ed2-2e7d-cc82-5f07ad6e973a2011-03-27T12:49:37-06:00<p>Fair enough, that is a rather impressive boost. But who has a vested interest in the &ldquo;copyleft chip&rdquo; symbol? I can&rsquo;t imagine that anyone other than the designer himself would have such a strong opinion about which logo is the best as to actually play with the votes. Even then, I can&rsquo;t imagine the designer actually having the ability or influence to change anything&hellip; And if it were someone involved with the OHS (possibly trying to separate themselves from the OSI for whatever reason) wouldn&rsquo;t it have been easier to leave the golden orb off the ballot? I mean, if you can change votes&hellip;<br/>
I tried to find a blog or organization that was endorsing the copyleft chip, thinking perhaps something influenced that many people to vote for that logo specifically but I couldn&rsquo;t find anything&hellip;<br/>
You make n interesting observation, but I just can&rsquo;t grasp why anyone would go to such measures.</p>Eric-Montreal on Vote for the OSHW Logo!Eric-Montrealurn:uuid:cce0c09c-f380-0bc9-9261-222d546f86932011-03-27T12:26:18-06:00<p>If you carefully look at the numbers, you&rsquo;ll see that something very wrong happened, and it goes beyond a computer lab voting all for the same logo or some cultural bias.<br/>
What happened is, in a few hours more votes were made for this entry than during the previous week, while relative voting volumes for all other entries stayed the same and absolute volume for them was very low.<br/>
Let&rsquo;s do the maths:<br/>
As of now (Sunday March 27, 14:05 Eastern time), there are 10096 votes, 2777 votes happened today, so before today there were 7319 votes;<br/>
Of those 7319 votes, &ldquo;Golden Orb&rdquo; and &ldquo;Copyleft&rdquo; each had 21%, that means around 1537 votes for each;<br/>
Today, with a total of 10096 votes, &ldquo;Copyleft&rdquo; have 40%, that means 4038 votes;<br/>
So, out of the 2777 new votes today, 2501 were for &ldquo;copyleft&rdquo; (90%) and only 275 went for all others combined.<br/>
It looks like Banana republic. The vote have been rigged big time and something must be done about it.</p>NPoole on Vote for the OSHW Logo!NPooleurn:uuid:c09fd7e8-5d86-d9c1-3d18-7bb849d304ab2011-03-27T11:46:56-06:00<p>First of all I should point out that anything I say here is my opinion and shouldn&rsquo;t be perceived to reflect the thoughts or opinions of SFE. (Really I should do this on my personal profile but I&rsquo;m too lazy). I agree with the orientation problem for the copyleft chip, it is a little disturbing that the logo would have different meanings depending on how it was printed.<br/>
Secondly, I doubt that there is any dishonesty in the votes. Do you really think that games are being played? I&rsquo;ll admit, it wouldn&rsquo;t be hard to, say, go to a school computer lab and cast the same vote from each machine but remember that this definition is recognized internationally, there are endorsements world-wide and in the net there&rsquo;s no such thing as &ldquo;overnight.&rdquo; It could just be that there is a cultural bias toward one or the other symbol for whatever reason and when peak login hours for certain parts of the world hit, those logos get voted up.</p>NPoole on Vote for the OSHW Logo!NPooleurn:uuid:7a5fd4b1-19b0-f63d-8f4c-34227919bbd92011-03-27T11:38:10-06:00<p>I understand the structure, but when I referred to an &ldquo;Open Source License,&rdquo; I meant ANY open source license. There is no open source license that protects hardware, and that is because the Open Source Definition does not mention hardware. It could be adapted to, yes, but like I said, that would not be beneficial to either party.<br/>
&ldquo;please point out clearly what part of the Open Source Definition is incompatible with physical objects"<br/>
In its current state, you can not read that document and tell me that a license dealing specifically with physical objects could be considered a part of the OSI. The language specifies "Software&rdquo; several times. If you mean to say that if it were re-written to include hardware, would it be inappropriate? No, that&rsquo;s precisely what the OSHW did, almost word for word. But I think that&rsquo;s what should be done, I just don&rsquo;t see the utility in having one massive initiative that umbrellas licenses dealing with all forms of hardware, electronic or not, and software. If you&rsquo;re going to do that, where do you draw the line? I think that it&rsquo;s important that these definitions be able to evolve and develop and when you add unnecessary bulk to an organization like that it becomes much harder to adapt. Modular initiatives is the way to go, simple independent definitions for hardware, software, (written works, graphic arts, etc.) Each with their own list of licenses that can be mixed and remixed is the best way to ensure adaptability while still maintaining the presence of the definitions.<br/>
That&rsquo;s just my opinion anyway&hellip; I promise this exact discussion will take place on a much larger scale one day when they&rsquo;re deciding whether or not to merge the definitions. And don&rsquo;t apologize before correcting somebody, whenever you correct someone you&rsquo;re doing them a favor :)<br/>
Either way, I&rsquo;m pretty happy that there is an OSHW definition and while it&rsquo;s fun to debate about what the best way to apply it is, the truth is that it&rsquo;s just that, a fun debate. If you feel strongly that the two definitions should be combined I&rsquo;m sure it wouldn&rsquo;t be hard to find like minded people form both organizations and get the ball rolling, I wouldn&rsquo;t fight it :)</p>AdamTolley on Vote for the OSHW Logo!AdamTolleyurn:uuid:6bce0cc0-4ca9-fe4c-9660-c7d2c6540b0c2011-03-27T10:50:06-06:00<p>Assuming other logos are not copyrighted, then people can put them on stuff or make there own, but I think you might be missing the point a bit.<br/>
A single logo is being agreed upon to act as a certification and brand of products that adhere to the OSHW standard. Think of it as a flag for the movement.</p>Eric-Montreal on Vote for the OSHW Logo!Eric-Montrealurn:uuid:4220fda3-db0a-84c9-e654-2102167c0ebd2011-03-27T10:46:51-06:00<p>You just need to etch the logo outline. It does not need to be filled, and the symbol can be used without the &ldquo;Open Hardware&rdquo; words.<br/>
You can have a look at all the <a href="http://www.opensource.org/logo-usage-guidelines#The_Symbol" rel="nofollow" >Open source logo</a> variants.</p>AdamTolley on Vote for the OSHW Logo!AdamTolleyurn:uuid:27dcd956-7455-4b15-5d7e-09ce842ba00c2011-03-27T10:42:15-06:00<p>Am I the only one who thinks the copyleft logo should be disqualified?<br/>
OSHW is not by its nature copyleft, and that alone should disqualify it. I understand that certain OSI licenses which are copy left can be used with it, but thats a different issue.<br/>
Personally, I find the notion of forcing the copy-left agenda on to OSHW perfectly repugnant.<br/>
I would go as far to say I will not purchase any hardware with such a logo on it.<br/>
It&rsquo;s a nice looking logo though.</p>Eric-Montreal on Vote for the OSHW Logo!Eric-Montrealurn:uuid:3a9849c1-326b-5458-8032-ddc1d87059f42011-03-27T10:19:47-06:00<p>Sorry, but The Open Source initiative is NOT a licence at all, please read it in their own words (mission) : <a href="http://www.opensource.org/" rel="nofollow" >OpenSource.org</a><br/>
They act as a federation/clearinghouse/coordination and education movement for various licenses that share the common goals of the <a href="http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd" rel="nofollow" >Open Source Definition</a>. As long as the goals and means are the same, extending the open source definition to include hardware (in article #2) is neither a dilution or an inappropriate use. If you still think it&rsquo;s inappropriate, please point out clearly what part of the Open Source Definition is incompatible with physical objects or conflicts with the OSHW licence.<br/>
Since the movement have it&rsquo;s origins in software, all the listed licenses are related to software, but (unless they decide otherwise) nothing prevents the OSHW license from joining the group already made up of very different licenses such as GNU, Artistic Licence, IBM Public License, BSD, Etc&hellip; by adding a &ldquo;Physical object licences&rdquo; category to <a href="http://www.opensource.org/licenses/category" rel="nofollow" >this list</a> &hellip;<br/>
My favourite option by far would be to have the &ldquo;Golden Orb&rdquo; logo adopted and trademarked by the OSI as an extension of the open source movement into physical objects. The logos would be different (software and hardware are obviously not the same), but with a clear visual affiliation, and OSI support would tremendously speed up interest, legitimacy and adoption of the Open Source Hardware concept. Once it&rsquo;s done, OSHW licence would be the first Open Object license and can have it&rsquo;s own logo, just like GNU got it&rsquo;s own logo while BSD could let loose it&rsquo;s devilish side.<br/>
However, as I mentioned in a previous post, the votes have been tempered during the March 26/27 night, let&rsquo;s see how the situation is dealt with.</p>Eric-Montreal on Vote for the OSHW Logo!Eric-Montrealurn:uuid:65828897-8a0d-d38b-851a-ff4f44c063d12011-03-27T09:10:15-06:00<p>To be honest this logo is very &ldquo;sparkfunesque&rdquo;, and etching it on your red boards would fit like a glove, but it might be a bit too much for everyone else&rsquo;s taste. Yes sparkfun contributed to the OSHW definition, but that would be a bit too much.<br/>
Beside this, the logo have some drawbacks :<br/>
- It&rsquo;s clearly limited to electronics<br/>
- Rotate it and it becomes &hellip; a copyright symbol (and on anything else than a PCB it might be even more confusing)<br/>
- Copyleft is a class of licences and OSHW is not Copyleft.<br/>
- It looks like a chip manufacturer logo<br/>
BTW, there seems to be some dishonest manoeuvring in the votes. Late Saturday night, votes were 21% for both Golden Orb and Copyleft chip, and during the night, the votes for Copyleft doubled &hellip; Games are being played.</p>BB on Vote for the OSHW Logo!BBurn:uuid:6291b36f-a028-8c08-c8da-4b6cda8ec7982011-03-27T04:52:52-06:00<p>Can we just do what the Academy Awards did in the wake of that terrible Jai Ho song that won best original song in 2008, and change the rule so that if there is no entry worthy of the prize, that it simply isn&rsquo;t awarded?<br/>
Of all the logos, I find only the copyleft chip is &ldquo;brandable.&rdquo; Even so, it suffers from easily being turned upside down in the absence of any other text. A very weak field indeed.</p>IllogicGate on Vote for the OSHW Logo!IllogicGateurn:uuid:cc53a484-94fa-071a-ec0d-b02441a40dfa2011-03-26T20:09:50-06:00<p>Me Too! &lsquo;Cept it&rsquo;s way harder to etch than the Copyleft Chip.<br/>
As of now, Golden Orb and Copyleft Chip are neck 'n&rsquo; neck! This is way more exciting than I thought it would be.</p>rwizard on Vote for the OSHW Logo!rwizardurn:uuid:45301179-0097-679c-e035-1ffb30b4eb0d2011-03-26T17:30:07-06:00<p>Not a bad point GB-). I also think there is a little merit to what sentryGun53 says. Oh well, symbolism over substance seems to be the norm these days.<br/>
Personally I think I&rsquo;ll quit worrying about it and just stick to enjoying the sweet smell of melting solder.<br/>
I love the smell of hot rosin in the morning&hellip;</p>G B-) on Vote for the OSHW Logo!G B-)urn:uuid:afd695cf-d366-b87a-6f65-bbeddcae86f02011-03-26T17:15:37-06:00<p>Maybe I am missing something here, but IMHO there is no need for another logo. The Open Source logo already exists:<br/>
http://www.opensource.org/logo-usage-guidelines<br/>
If Open Source Hardware is <em>NOT</em> Open Source, what is it?<br/>
If it <em>IS</em> Open Source, the logo is already done.<br/>
Can we please stop squandering time and effort on creating the impression of divergence? Can we please focus on our common vision and shared values, get over ourselves and reiterate our message by using one logo. IMHO using the existing logo would be more powerful than using a different logo. A different logo unequivocally says &ldquo;I am different from Open Source&rdquo;.</p>sentryGun53 on Vote for the OSHW Logo!sentryGun53urn:uuid:69593db3-7244-0882-c575-dbba4b338cfc2011-03-26T16:43:23-06:00<p>Why only one logo? If it truly is open source, shouldn&rsquo;t anybody be able to put the open-source logo they want on it?<br/>
Just my 2 cents</p>Jetdillo on Vote for the OSHW Logo!Jetdillourn:uuid:f2f4aacd-f898-62bb-7fca-241aa0a14fde2011-03-26T13:17:43-06:00<p>True, but try to get people who are instrumental in DESIGN, not just Industrial or Consumer Electronics Design, but <em>DESIGN</em>&hellip;and see if you can get anybody to actually give you the time of day and/or not want $50K for the effort up front.</p>rwizard on Vote for the OSHW Logo!rwizardurn:uuid:72af5b88-eaf7-3879-7318-86599d2372dd2011-03-26T11:33:23-06:00<p>Uggh. Let&rsquo;s all vote for the &ldquo;Least Lame Logo&rdquo;. What a bunch of pathetic looking choices. I finally went with Golden Orb.</p>MarkMayhew on Vote for the OSHW Logo!MarkMayhewurn:uuid:3063a7df-23be-a621-d10a-50bc4237f7fa2011-03-26T11:32:12-06:00<p>Agreed. Aren&rsquo;t there any graphic design professionals that also explore electronics?<br/>
There is just something organic in a good logo. It&rsquo;s text and graphics, but it&rsquo;s something more - you know what the organization is all about just by glancing at it, without having to read the text or infer from the graphics.</p>dtudury on Vote for the OSHW Logo!dtuduryurn:uuid:174a6403-f2be-af03-4a9f-2c46480b98bf2011-03-26T10:57:00-06:00<p>sorry, you&rsquo;re right, I went a little too far. I&rsquo;m sure the committee did their best and the selections are all good solid logos. I just feel that there are a couple of even better choices on the <a href="http://www.openhardwaresummit.org/oshw-logo-v1-0/" rel="nofollow" >submissions page</a> that didn&rsquo;t make the cut somehow</p>MostlyCarbon on Vote for the OSHW Logo!MostlyCarbonurn:uuid:8fbdf13c-feba-c170-f715-148e6ff34b022011-03-26T04:22:57-06:00<p>I like very much that it creates continuity with the OpenSource Logo.<br/>
I could envision an overlay that would indicate Open Hardware &amp; Software</p>hexskrew on Vote for the OSHW Logo!hexskrewurn:uuid:cec79a24-52c7-2c4e-b3a5-22edd8a722432011-03-25T21:44:17-06:00<p>Crap.. Now I should be stabbed for TRIPLE posty goodness. <em>whoops</em></p>hexskrew on Vote for the OSHW Logo!hexskrewurn:uuid:0081e932-fd22-880f-7d7a-fdd2145fa3db2011-03-25T21:43:44-06:00<p>Crap. Sorry about double posty goodness</p>hexskrew on Vote for the OSHW Logo!hexskrewurn:uuid:b35fd693-9327-379a-e776-099be94893bf2011-03-25T21:43:30-06:00<p>I am conflicted&hellip;. Well first for those of you that say that none of the logos are that impressive, you gotta think about it. It needs to be something you can etch on a board, weather by machine or by hand.<br/>
This brings me to my conflict.</p>
<h1>3 Iconographic Microchip looks like it would be easily noticable on a board but just as a whole doesn&rsquo;t say &ldquo;Open Source&rdquo; to me.</h1>
<h1>14 OpnKy. Meh. Doesn&rsquo;t make sense to me</h1>
<h1>16 Golden Orb - Looks nice but no way you could etch that easily.</h1>
<h1>28 Copyleft Chip - This one looks more like a winner. Simple, easy to etch, catchy. However you would have to think a little bigger if you want to spot it on a board. This one seems to be my winner at the moment.</h1>
<h1>4 OSHW connections - Looks cool but for some might get mistaken for a place to put a crystal :P</h1>
<h1>38&hellip; meh</h1>
<h1>52 OSHW BOT Not too bad. It&rsquo;s definitely up in my top 3</h1>
<h1>53 Osmosis - Would be perfect on a package. not too easy to etch lettering on a board though.</h1>
<h1>84 Open Key (see #14)</h1>
<h1>95 Geared (see #16)</h1>Gizmoguy on Vote for the OSHW Logo!Gizmoguyurn:uuid:cf335001-1d83-e366-b148-dfea0e77185c2011-03-25T21:31:16-06:00<p>voted.</p>cjenkins on Vote for the OSHW Logo!cjenkinsurn:uuid:9ddc8120-dc3b-2ba0-2a55-1723af304e1c2011-03-25T21:28:53-06:00<p>Mate the <a href="http://www.horde.org/" rel="nofollow" >Horde project logo</a> and the <a href="http://www.opensource.org/" rel="nofollow" >Open Source logo</a> and you get the third logo in the selection.</p>Leonidas993 on Vote for the OSHW Logo!Leonidas993urn:uuid:bbaf678c-2a0a-af66-fa7e-eae7289b12d42011-03-25T19:40:17-06:00<p>dam dude thats harsh&hellip; but i must agree, i feel the same way</p>dtudury on Vote for the OSHW Logo!dtuduryurn:uuid:45ebc864-2d4d-8c8e-f4d1-1a82a4df0e3b2011-03-25T17:23:23-06:00<p>agreed&hellip; if you want the best design, invite a selection committee of the most instrumental people IN DESIGN, not electronics. Letting engineers choose your logo is like letting Helen Keller drive your car.</p>bbotany on Vote for the OSHW Logo!bbotanyurn:uuid:611fa6bc-dacb-9c1d-9afe-46f3988461ce2011-03-25T17:17:24-06:00<p>As I hold my dremelesque tool, none of them look quite as friendly to put on a piece as I might hope.</p>MightyDubster on Vote for the OSHW Logo!MightyDubsterurn:uuid:18082ff8-5392-3924-47e9-18094f0b49042011-03-25T14:51:13-06:00<p>I voted as well and agree with the general feeling of &ldquo;underwhelmed-ment&rdquo;. Nearly 7 billion people will be stuck with the logo chosen for a long time to come.</p>Chris Zeh on Vote for the OSHW Logo!Chris Zehurn:uuid:2ee71e16-2beb-1424-ca68-2fcffdd2f8712011-03-25T13:48:25-06:00<p>I&rsquo;m not a fan of any of those selections. I prefer the graphic SparkFun has been using (shown above). Bummer.</p>Eric-Montreal on Vote for the OSHW Logo!Eric-Montrealurn:uuid:7b5ac5f2-cc34-980f-53be-f9350b44dcab2011-03-25T13:12:28-06:00<p>Without hesitation, I&rsquo;d go for 16 (golden orb) for many reasons:<br/>
- It&rsquo;s not restricted to electronics, and includes all physical objects;<br/>
- The gears are a symbol of things that go together well, elements of something bigger than it&rsquo;s individual components;<br/>
- Open source/hardware is a movement, and gears are designed to carry and transform movement;<br/>
- It&rsquo;s very close to the official <a href="http://www.opensource.org/logo-usage-guidelines" rel="nofollow" >Open source logo</a> and as such clearly indicates it&rsquo;s a continuation of the same ideas.<br/>
Sorry Sparkfun, it&rsquo;s not red !</p>jalthaus on Vote for the OSHW Logo!jalthausurn:uuid:53d29db6-64f8-620f-14a9-55a692db3ae82011-03-25T11:42:31-06:00<p>&ldquo;&hellip;but i&rsquo;m a little underwhelmed with all of them&rdquo;</p>BlackJester on Vote for the OSHW Logo!BlackJesterurn:uuid:5df9db86-a60b-8d99-200c-995d14cad1e62011-03-25T10:54:00-06:00<p>I don&rsquo;t see the logo that was mentioned earlier (the one on the example above) on the list. Did it not make the cut? I would have voted for that one over the others shown.<br/>
edit: I&rsquo;m not sure what is going on with the &lsquo;multi-logo&rsquo; submissions (38 &amp; 95). Which one am I supposed to vote for? If it does win, which one will get used?</p>DavGeek on Vote for the OSHW Logo!DavGeekurn:uuid:3fa3aa5b-2a51-8f44-2ea2-4a7055eb12ce2011-03-25T10:48:45-06:00<p>voto a favor !</p>Solar on Vote for the OSHW Logo!Solarurn:uuid:31d347f8-d992-51f4-ca7a-f7370dead6842011-03-25T10:25:58-06:00<p>I voted but i&rsquo;m a little underwhelmed with all of them&hellip;</p>Kuep on Vote for the OSHW Logo!Kuepurn:uuid:4ce00ac2-0f17-f057-e264-172692191cb82011-03-25T09:42:00-06:00<p>Voted&hellip;.i wish i had a little sticker like when you go to the real polling place</p>