And what is it with people that makes their brains block at the notion of Green Day being a PUNK ROCK band?! Sure they're not a PURE PUNK band, but pretend the last 10 years didn't exist, and stuff like Dookie and Insomniac can be construed as punk. If the Ramones and The Clash are punk, OLD - EMPHASIS ON OLD - Green Day is punk too.

The fact remains they've never been anything but average pop-punk at their best, meaning they don't belong in a definitive list such as this. At their best they are little more than imitations of Descendants and Screeching Weasel with a little less effort and creativity. As for Sex Pistols, I would put them in a punk list because they were at the forefront of the movement by the time 1979 rolled around but their influence isn't enough to make this list judging by the wide variety of sub genres of punk here

By that logic Jack, are the Ramones punk-pop? I think they are, to be honest. So are the Undertones. I keep hearing critics compare GD to the Ramones, but I don't really agree with that. GD are more along the lines of Generation X or Youth Brigade (apart from the vocals).

I'm not going to speak for Blackbelt because Never Mind certainly would have made my 100 punk list due to influence and sound. Ramones are definitely pop-punk but they were basically pioneers of that and were doing it 20 years before Green Day copied everything they did. Critics shouldn't be listed to, someone recently compared that atrocious "Kill the DJ" to The Clash's "The Magnificent Seven" which should be punishable by castration

That's not the point. The point is, if a band is known to the mainstream as a representative of a certain style, IT IS RELEVANT TO THAT STYLE.

I'm a dubstep layman. If anyone asks I say Skrillex or Deadmau5. They may suck, but the fact that I know who they are EVEN THOUGH I DON'T LISTEN TO DUBSTEP means they have RELEVANCE WITHIN THE GENRE. No?

Don't put so much faith in the mainstream to be an honest representative of a genre, especially when it comes to punk. By that logic Sum 41 could be perceived as relevant to punk because of their image and use of the word "skumfuk". Crass was never mainstream, doesn't mean they aren't punk.

Jack, you're also missing the point. The point is, ask Average Joe "hey, you familiar with punk?" and he's bound to say "oh yeah Johnny Rotten, God Save The Queen!" It's happened to me a number of times. Therefore the Pistols were relevant to punk, as they constitute the genre reference to many laymen. Which is a bit different from your Sum 41 example, even though I get what you're coming from.