On Tue, Jul 02, 2002 at 12:37:27PM -0400, Heiko Garrelts wrote:
>Hi
>
>I just downloaded and installed the latest tcl binaries (20020502) for
>the ATI Radeon from the Tungstengraphics FTP server. I'm using Mandrake
>8.0 with Kernel 2.4.3 and Xfree 4.1. I'm using the old Radeon (not
>7500/8500) with 64MB DDR Ram. The driver installed without problems (I
>just had to change the rights of the new driver modules for normal
>users) but the performance is not as good as the old Radeon drivers from
>Xfree 4.1.
>Glxgears gave me 1314 FPS without and 893FPS with the TCL drivers
>A Quake 3 demo gave my 65,9 FPS without and 59.8 FPS with the TCL
>drivers (the driver option window also says that I'm using Mesa 4 now
>instead of Mesa 3 with the old drivers, so the update seems to be
>correctly installed)
>
>Any idea why the speed is decreased with TCL? Or do I have
>to change some config files to use TCL?
The TCL binaries from the TungstenGraphics FTP server are rather old by
now. A al
>What about the Radeon drivers from dri.sf.net? Can I use them with Xfree
>4.1 and are the TCL components also included?
The TCL work is already merged in the trunk, and therefore in the
binaries in the DRI website.
But you can't use them with XFree86 4.1 - the TungstenGraphics binaries
were tailored to be able to work on 4.1 while the ones in the DRI
website are taken directly from the current CVS so you'll need the
XFree86 4.2 installed (or use the XFree86 server provided in the
"extras"
directory).
José Fonseca

On Tuesday 02 July 2002 06:37 pm, Heiko Garrelts wrote:
> Hi
>
> I just downloaded and installed the latest tcl binaries (20020502) for
> the ATI Radeon from the Tungstengraphics FTP server. I'm using Mandrake
> 8.0 with Kernel 2.4.3 and Xfree 4.1. I'm using the old Radeon (not
> 7500/8500) with 64MB DDR Ram. The driver installed without problems (I
> just had to change the rights of the new driver modules for normal
> users) but the performance is not as good as the old Radeon drivers from
> Xfree 4.1.
You mean those actually work? You have which radeon?
> Glxgears gave me 1314 FPS without and 893FPS with the TCL drivers
> A Quake 3 demo gave my 65,9 FPS without and 59.8 FPS with the TCL
> drivers (the driver option window also says that I'm using Mesa 4 now
> instead of Mesa 3 with the old drivers, so the update seems to be
> correctly installed)
That's enough ;-)
I recommend you to upgrade your kernel, in any case. 2.4.3 is ancient.
Frank
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Hi
I just downloaded and installed the latest tcl binaries (20020502) for
the ATI Radeon from the Tungstengraphics FTP server. I'm using Mandrake
8.0 with Kernel 2.4.3 and Xfree 4.1. I'm using the old Radeon (not
7500/8500) with 64MB DDR Ram. The driver installed without problems (I
just had to change the rights of the new driver modules for normal
users) but the performance is not as good as the old Radeon drivers from
Xfree 4.1.
Glxgears gave me 1314 FPS without and 893FPS with the TCL drivers
A Quake 3 demo gave my 65,9 FPS without and 59.8 FPS with the TCL
drivers (the driver option window also says that I'm using Mesa 4 now
instead of Mesa 3 with the old drivers, so the update seems to be
correctly installed)
Any idea why the speed is decreased with TCL? Or do I have
to change some config files to use TCL?
What about the Radeon drivers from dri.sf.net? Can I use them with Xfree
4.1 and are the TCL components also included?
I added the dri.log file generated by the script with this mail.
Heiko Garrelts
------------------------------------------------------------------------
cc -O2 -Wall -Wwrite-strings -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-align
-Wstrict-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -D__KERNEL__
-DMODULE -fomit-frame-pointer -DCONFIG_AGP -DCONFIG_AGP_MODULE
-DCONFIG_DRM_SIS -DMODVERSIONS -include
/lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/build/include/linux/modversions.h
-DEXPORT_SYMTAB -I/lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/build/include -c radeon_drv.c
-o radeon_drv.o
cc -O2 -Wall -Wwrite-strings -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-align
-Wstrict-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -D__KERNEL__
-DMODULE -fomit-frame-pointer -DCONFIG_AGP -DCONFIG_AGP_MODULE
-DCONFIG_DRM_SIS -DMODVERSIONS -include
/lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/build/include/linux/modversions.h
-I/lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/build/include -c radeon_cp.c -o radeon_cp.o
cc -O2 -Wall -Wwrite-strings -Wpointer-arith -Wcast-align
-Wstrict-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -D__KERNEL__
-DMODULE -fomit-frame-pointer -DCONFIG_AGP -DCONFIG_AGP_MODULE
-DCONFIG_DRM_SIS -DMODVERSIONS -include
/lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/build/include/linux/modversions.h
-I/lib/modules/2.4.3-20mdk/build/include -c radeon_state.c -o
radeon_state.o
ld -r radeon_drv.o radeon_cp.o radeon_state.o -o radeon.o

Jos=E9 Fonseca wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 03:00:01PM +0200, Peter Andersson wrote:
>
>> More progress info, i applied the patch you sent me this saturday to=20
>> the mach-0-0-5 branch and now i get no system hangs what so ever. The=20
>> graphics are really slow on the apps that used to "hang" before, i get=
=20
>
>
> Good. That means that we're on the right track then.
>
>> an average between 1-2 fps on glxgears. The gears are turning for=20
>> about half a second then they freeze for about two seconds before=20
>> they start spinning again. Quake, quake 2 and glheretic works in a=20
>> similar manner, doom works great as usual though. Let me know if you=20
>> want me to pursue this, eg if you want any kmsg outputs etc.
>
>
> Yes. Please send kmsg - if things are so slow, then something must be
> happening. The one from glxgears should suffice.
>
Well here it is, please let me know if you prefer the files with or=20
without debugging info. I don=B4t know what kind of internet connection=20
you have but in any case it feels unneccecary to send too much data if=20
it is not useful. It must be easier for you to read files without the=20
debugging info.
>
> PS: Thanks for all the trouble you've been going through. It has been
> very valuable.
>
It is i who should thank you as this is probably more valuable for me=20
and definetly more troublesome for you. Thanks!
Peter

Jos=E9 Fonseca wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 01, 2002 at 12:51:21PM -0400, Leif Delgass wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 1 Jul 2002, Peter Andersson wrote:
>>
>>> More progress info, i applied the patch you sent me this saturday to=20
>>> the mach-0-0-5 branch and now i get no system hangs what so ever.=20
>>> The graphics are really slow on the apps that used to "hang" before,=20
>>> i get an average between 1-2 fps on glxgears. The gears are turning=20
>>> for about half a second then they freeze for about two seconds=20
>>> before they start spinning again. Quake, quake 2 and glheretic works=20
>>> in a similar manner, doom works great as usual though.=20
>>
>>
>> OK, here's a silly question: are you sure prboom is using OpenGL? I
>> think the default build uses SDL software rendering unless you=20
>> compile in
>> OpenGL support. What does ldd prboom say? =20
>
It is compiled with Open-GL, it is using libSDL as well as libGL and=20
libGLU. Besides that i am sure it uses ogl since i have both versions=20
installed and there are differences in the textures between the 2D and=20
3D versions (open gl looks anti aliased).
>> I've tried using an OpenGL
>> build and there are some rendering problems with skyboxes and=20
>> transparency
>> (invisible demons are black).
>
So does mine. I know it sounds wierd that prboom never crashes while=20
other apps do, but that is how it is and i can=B4t explain it...
>
> It must depend on OpenGL somehow, since Peter reported that with
> mach64-0-0-5-branch the textures got fixed.
>
That=B4s right, as i remember it i even sent you a screenshot of the=20
textures in prboom (before they got fixed) at some point.
Regards
Peter