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Hello everyone, my passaggio is at B3-E4 and my chest voice is dark. It's not good for rock or pop cause is heavy and not pleasure. Some people told me I'm a tenor, others baritone but, is that possibile have a passaggio at B3-E4 beeing a tenor? It's possibile change the color of chest? Ty ...

Hello
I am having real trouble finding my falsetto, I can't make that effortless sound, it is always strained.
I was always able to make a voice that I thought was falsetto, but I got to the conclusion that is flageolet instead. I got really used to it and it is relaxed, and really sounds like falsetto, but I think it isn't falsetto mainly because:
- It isn't connected to chest voice. I know sometimes it's difficult to connect head and chest voice, but this is extremely disconnected, it is a different world.
- I am able to transition smoothly from whistle to this flageolet. Not trying hard at all, just lowering the pitch from whistle, I end up in this voice. Demo: https://instaud.io/3rzk
So, an example of this strained 'falsetto', in a moment with the voice quite tired (so that the strain is noticeable): https://instaud.io/3rzm
Same song, in flageolet (I know it sounds a lot like a falsetto):https://instaud.io/3rzd
An example of a song, in falsetto, that sounded better, in a moment my voice wasn't that tired: https://instaud.io/3rzf (Yes, I like Ed Sheeran XD). This is as close to a relaxed falsetto that I can get.
So, any advice on how to find that relaxed falsetto? Maybe I am still unable to do it because I have those muscles untrained? I've tried yawning, making the sound of an owl, or Mickey Mouse's voice... Everything is strained. Any advice, or exercise?
Thank you in advance
Whistle to flageolet.mp3
Strained falsetto.mp3
Flageolet.mp3

Hi! I'm a 21 years old male and have I think a low baritone voice.
When I try to go through my entire vocal range this is what I feel happens:
I start of in my chest voice and around A3-D4 my voice flips or kind of transitions into a very breathy head voice, I think it's falsetto. Then at around C5-E5 my voice stops and if i try to push more it's just air and no sound. I know I have what feels like another "register" that I sometimes can get into, that dosen't feel as breathy that spans from around F#5-C6 and up to F6 on good days. But it's really hard for me to get into this "register".
I'll attach a sound file where I do lip rolls and in the first one I manage to get into this "voice", up to a A5, where in the others it's the same as usual.
Anyone that struggles with the same and/or have any tips about this?
liproll.mp3
didn't work with soundcloud link :/

I have been playing guitar for some time now, and i want to be able to pick up the chords for a song instantly, but i have major difficulty in singing the sound i hear.
So i tried singing a few songs, really tried, and realized i have absolutely no vocal range, doesnt get sharper or "darker", it's just the word itself. If i try to do the song how it really is, either the voice dissapears or i cant hold the note for even 0.5 sec, just jumps back and forth with sharp and "dark".
Even watched some videos to see if i have correct form, like chest up, chin slightly down, breathing and all, but my voice simply has no pitch whatsoever besides the natural one.
How can i upgrade my vocal range dramatically? I would like to be able to sing, atleast decently in about 6 months, so i can play guitar and sing at same time
And not tonedeaf btw
17y, male.
https://streamable.com/rk1hg
So sorry for making you guys hear this, destroying the music

Hey all! I haven't posted in a very long time. I've been working a lot on my singing and my band. I want to share with you the fruit of my effort, showing you our (and mine personally too ) first ever single and video at the same time. I hope you like it. PS: seems I had problems embedding the youtube link, i'd accpet wny help with that, or suggestions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3T8OtPYiTg

I decided to run a little experiment and (for the first time in my life) analyze exactly what notes comprise the M1, M2, and what I'll call M3 regions of my vocal track. Just for fun, and to share with some of my fellow voice geeks here.
Even though I received effective vocal coaching, it was a long time ago when popular vocal teachers did not bother explaining or analyzing anything unless you were willing to sit there and pay $80/hr. to chat (never happened for me). As a result, I never paid too much attention to notes and my "range." I would always reference songs my vocal hero's were singing, and I could tell my M2 notes were getting beefier from the vocal instruction / training.
It is interesting to note that, after so many years of singing without strain in M2, I actually forgot how to pull chest voice. I discovered this one day when someone asked me to explain to them how I was able to sing "tenor notes" when they knew I was a baritone. I started to explain the difference between M1 & M2, I wanted to sing an example of straining to sing a high C. We all had a laugh as I struggled to remember how to pull M1 that high without singing in M2.
So, lately I've been contemplating expanding my range a tad higher than I've been satisfied with for so many years.
The pdf illustrates what I found out about my "instrument."
I thought it was interesting to see how much more agile my M2 is than my M1! The overlaps are also interesting for me to see correlated with the notes.
I'd like to start training those weaker M2 notes. I'd like to see if I can change the pink D#5, and A5, to red! Only two notes yet, I know it will take a lot of effort, those notes are not easy to make beefy.
MY VOCAL TRACK ILLUSTRATED.pdf

I have recently begun teaching vocal lessons to a college student whose main instrument is not her voice. Her air support is strong in both her chest voice and head voice, but she is struggling to transition between the two. The transition is extremely abrupt and causes her to lose confidence in herself. What vocal workouts and exercises may be helpful when working on her mixed voice and transitions?

so my problem is both in higher and lower registers. whenever i go into head voice, it gets really thin, as if its a product of vocal fry (and im pretty sure it is). I have been told in the past, they way to get started in head voice and stop falsetto is to use vocal fry, but i think its time to move on. i want a more thicker tone that aligns with my usual singing register. the same applies with my more lower range. how do i go about it, excersises, application, ect?
thank you in advance

So, i haven't noticed any changes in my normal voice. I can still sing the lower notes the way i could sing them before. However when i'm trying to sing high, my notes begin to sound hoarse a lot of the times. Now i'm wondering if this is the result of an overuse of the voice, lack of experience with high notes or if this actually might be a sign of vocal damage? I only started experiencing with higher notes at the beginning of the years. i did do a relative vocal rest for a few days, it improved the issue a bit, but i'm still disappointed. Should i just try a longer vocal rest in this situation or should i just keep on singing?

Hey guys, I was wondering if I can get some advice from you. I’m a male singer in my 20s, typically sing in a similar register as people like Gavin DeGraw. I typically do 3 hour (sometimes 4) acoustic gigs with a break or two in there.
Ive always off and on had some issues with mucus and post nasal drip. But lately, over a lot of this year, it’s been much worse. There’s just an overload of mucus build up, sometimes I feel it more as a drip and sometimes it just feels like my nasal passages are tight. It has made my usual 3 hour gigs MUCH more tiring....it’s like the mucus is affecting my technique. Like there’s something blocking me when I try to bring my voice up into mixed voice and incorporate my nose for proper technique. Like there’s a wall blocking that area off or something, so I’m forced to use a not as healthy technique to hit the higher register which wears me out so much quicker. Basically, singing in my upper register/mixing doesn’t feel nearly as easy as it has in the past.
Ive been allergy tested and have a dust mite allergy, i now take an antihistamine at night, Flonase in the morning and Mucinex as needed. I don’t have a ton of dairy and especially try to avoid it around my gigs. I drink a lot of water. I also run a lot and consider myself to be in good physical shape. Does anyone else have experience dealing with this, and if there’s any ways to deal with it?

Hey. I'm thinking about injecting testoreone to cure my depression. The only thing that keeps me from injecting is the fear that my voice might have a negative impact from it. I'm already a baritone (sadly), which means i can reach low notes pretty easily without any effort but hitting any note above D4 in chest voice takes a lot of effort. It's like climbing a very high mountain. My voice almost means more to me than my life however my lack of testoreone is ruining my life. So what should i do? Should i sacrifice my life or should i sacrifice my voice?

Hey forum , I’m new here and having been practicing singing for a while now. I believe I find my mix.and I have a few questions about it.
1: how do I make it more chesty
2: why on some days it’s a bit harder to get my mix going.
3: should I keep on with the “nay nay nay” vocal exercise after I found it?
Please judge my little vocal clip there and let me know what you think and how I can improve thanks!

Something I have been thinking on lately. I really see good basic, supported, open throat singing as the real basis for good rock singing. I see a guy like Paul Rodgers being almost the ideal base model. Learn that base and THEN add on or go into other directions such as Plant/Cornell
As far as actual difficulty or skill level of various classic rock/metal singers, I see it sort of as follows starting from "easiest" to hardest: (of course, ALL of these guys are great and all of it is hard to get close to!)
Paul Rogers-----> Robert Plant, Chris Cornell, Rob Halford, Geoff Tate-----> Bruce Dickinson, Dio
My reasoning:
Paul Rogers has a great tone and in general he "just sings". He doesnt go out of his way to do anything fancy or overly impressive, yet he does sing with a nice tone through a decent range
Plant, Cornell, Halford, Tate. These guys are more varied and may generally have a higher tessitura etc, but some of it isnt THAT hard to sing because it gets into a released type of headvoice sound. Some if it can be emulated without a ton of physical effort
Dickinson/Dio. Okay, these guys can be ridiculously hard to emulate. IMO you have to actually have the strength built to sing like these guys. ESPECIALLY Dio. This is like bench pressing 315 lbs. Reading a book or finding a "trick" wont get you to bench 315. You have to put in the time and work up to it
ITS HARD TO FIND DECENT COVERS OF DIO, EVEN FROM OTHER PROS!!! That says a lot
Some of Dios songs are in a higher range than what u might think....yet he still has that beefiness and somewhat "round" tone. You can tell there is a lot of support. Yet when u see him on live clips it doesnt seem that hard for him. Of course by the time any of us heard of him he was at least up into his 30s with a lot of mileage under his belt so he had that technique and strength down solid
So that leads me to this video where the guy shows 2 approaches to singing "Rainbow in the Dark"
To my ears, the first version is way closer to Dio. The 2nd version isnt that close
So this is the hard part. Can one get that sound WITHOUT the really strong supported style?? Like the guy in the vid said, he was exhausted by the time he got to the 2nd verse etc.
Is it then just a matter of one having to build that strength over time??
Here are a couple of covers by guys that do GREAT covers....but they dont get that close to Dio IMO.
to my ear, both of these are a little "lighter" than Dio. So therein lies the dilemma. How to get that powerful compressed sound yet stay sort of "round" yet also still be light enough to sing into decent higher range??
Even good old Ken, who promotes strongly supported singing etc....sounds rather strained while attempting the Dio stuff. Doesnt really sound like Dio at all
and this guy. Great singer, huge range etc. 2.4 million subs. Doesnt sound anything like Dio though
Felipe gets pretty close, which is impressive since he has to fight his natural accent and sing a second language etc. Felipe's tone is pretty warm generally too AFAIK
Jorn is about as close as ive heard and even then there are some slight differences. Jorn seems a tiny bit scratchier whereas Dio could be really clean while still sounding huge
So was Dio just a mutant or did he just build great strength and control over time?
here he is live.
assuming this vocal is indeed live lol
Im seeing him using decent support and lots of resonance. In other words it seems as if he is pushing a lot of air up with a generally open throat....letting that air find good resonance up in the head etc, as opposed to physically trying to squeeze with the throat. of course I may be totally wrong lol
His speaking voice already had that sort of warm round tone to it so maybe he just got lucky and learned to sing with power with his natural round tone
Anyone have any ideas or want to discuss??
Peace, JJ

So i hate vocal warmups. In fact i hate it so much that a lot of times it prevents from even starting to sing for a few hours. Now when i watch one of these videos about vocal warmup, it seems that the lip roll is really dominating everything. My problem is that the Lip roll doesn't work for me. Can i do effective warm up while avoiding the lip roll?

So, i usually thought that vocal nodules mean permanent vocal damage and you can't sing with it. Now i've seen an interview with Mariah Carey, where she talks about having nodules since she was a child and being able to sing despite it. So, does that mean i can sing despite nodules or will this damage my voice even more? Why hasn't Mariah Carey damaged her voice?

So, i'm singing for around 3 years now. Around half a year ago i started singing on a daily basis. I'm not trained and didn't do warm up's until recently. However i never really did any screaming, yet my voice still sounded hoarse and i couldn't sing falsetto like i used to yesterday. I had a cold around a week ago. Could that be the reason for this? I've been doing this for over an hour yesterday. Could it be dangerous?

Hi guys! New to the forum but I'm really happy to be here. I've been getting pretty discouraged lately about my endeavor to be a good singer and was looking for some honest discussion on the thoughts that keep flooding me when I practice. Mind the context that I have a decent amount of musical experience as a multi-instrumentalist of 5 years and as a songwriter/digital composer.
Mainly I feel like after the first few months of practicing a minimum of 6 hours a week, doing my vocal exercises each day and practicing some repertoire, also meeting once a week with my voice teacher/coach who gives me tips on how to continue to practice good technique, that this has given me some control over my voice, I don't feel powerless to hit the notes now and stuff.
The issue lies in this, the tone of my voice still sounds thin and unpleasant almost always, even in full voice in the comfortable part of my range, it just sounds harsh and ugly sounding. Not even a stylistic choice I wouldn't think, it is just "meh".
I asked my voice coach and she said that its a long process to balance out the voice and that its much like working out, you have to practice consistently for a long long time for it to really change drastically and achieve the look/feel you want.
My question to you guys is this: Is this an attainable goal to not just be a "meh" singer but to be a good or even great singer? Is my consistent practice and vocal health practices all I need to be doing or is there something I am missing? Is it actually just a matter of time and I am just being impatient?

I started a thread on the LP reddit, and was hoping for some people to discuss this with.
Without getting too crazy, not only what we are hearing is impossible, if you slow it down to .25 you can hear 2 voices at once being modulated at the same time.
Humans can't do this.
also in the end has come cute masonic alphabet in it. These guys have many secrets.