Long may he not rest in peace, but summon the dark angels to make DaveScot allergic to cowboy hats and boots, BA^77 to ramble on in meaningless rants, and Dembski to act as if he were above the law and get caught...

--------------Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

After watching the actions of Lazarus and cdesignproponentsists for a while I decided to block them. I cannot tell if they legitimately believe what they are saying but they are not here to reasonably discuss issues, they are here to accuse people based upon a disagreement on priorities. Besides, some terminology they used made me suspect they were frauds. If theyíre not going to have any positive contribution to UD I donít see why they should stay.

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"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."- David Foster Wallace

"Here‚Äôs a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."- Barry Arrington

Not only should atheists be disallowed for teaching any subject related to the bible, non-Nazis should be disallowed from teaching about Nazism, and capitalists should be disallowed from teaching about Communism.

Only true believers get to talk about given beliefs. Itís the only way to give everyone a fair shake.

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digdug24

12/04/2007

3:47 pm

Indeed. All the so-called íscientistsí who discredit the evidence for Bigfoot should not be allowed to teach a cryptozoology class. Someone like the new DI fellow Michael Medved would be infinitely better at such instruction because he believes it. Anyone else will just show their preconceived biases.

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Bugsy

12/04/2007

4:02 pm

The literal existence of angels and of psi havenít been given fair shakes in mainstream academia, either. We need to put more enthusiastic people in the chairs currently occupied by materialist scientists, to make sure that our experiments turn out the right way.

ďWhat gives you the audacity to say that God definitely did not have a hand in creating such stunning complexity we see in life?Ē

Iíve said no such thing. In fact, you seem to be toeing the materialist line by denying the existence of angels and psi. Iíd think someone interested in quantum mechanics and ID would know better than to lump entire fields into the rubbish bin because they donít comply with orthodoxy, but thatís exactly what youíve done.

I ask you to reevaluate your incorrect, materialistic premises before you go over what Iíve written. Only then can it become apparent that what I mean is not at all what you think it is, and that Iím asserting a legitimate place for ID while decrying the canning of a distinguished astrophysicist.

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digdug24

12/04/2007

5:12 pm

Hear hear bugsy.

Born^Again, why are you discrediting the work of honest scholars in the field of cryptozoology? There are lots of these folks out there and academia pooh-poohs their hard evidence and says it is not íscientificí. i see lots of interesting parallels between cryptozoology and ID. As far as angels go, I think we can make a design inference about their existence. Dembski certainly agrees. A question I have often considered is Ďhow much CSI would an angel have?í Certainly it must be much more than a human being. This would give us a first order approximation at how much has been lost since the Fall.

I for one am glad that you are standing up for God and the argument regarding design. ID stands to gain immeasurably from not being wishywashy about the identity of the designer. This is a problem around here, for sure.

And then Luskin intervenes, deleting all posts by both Bugsy and Digdug.

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Casey Luskin

12/04/2007

5:38 pm

The evidence released yesterday shows undeniable evidence that Dr. Gonzalez faced a hostile work environment and was denied academic freedom becuase he supports intelligent design. Regardless of whether you agree with ID, open minded people should be abhorred at what took place at ISU.

Bugsy and Digdug24 provide us with excellent examples of how Darwinists cope with evidence of their academic intolerance towards ID: they change the subject and make comments about angels and cryptozoology, etc. To see a discussion of the issue of ID and the identity of the designer, see [URL=http://www.discovery.org/a/4306.

--------------"ALL eight of the "nature" miracles of Jesus could have been accomplished via the electroweak quantum tunneling mechanism. For example, walking on water could be accomplished by directing a neutrino beam created just below Jesus' feet downward." - Frank Tipler, ISCID fellow

Bugsy and DigDug again exemplify the newest Nixplanatory function evident at UD: Hidden Obliviation. Banninnation and Hidden Obliviation differ, although are not mutually exclusive.

Banninnation: Usually performed by WAD or DaveTard (although occasionally by others), and typically announced to the world by means of Arrogant Dismissive Aphorism. Old Banninnation is the archaic form typically administered through The Loudspeaker in the Ceiling. New Banninnation is the current, clearly endangered form implemented by means of Aphoristic Comment. Typically the banninnator identifies him or herself by means of initials, e.g., - WmAD

Hidden Obliviation: The removal of a series of posts, and sometimes entire threads, by Hidden Nixmasters. Hidden Nixmasters never announce their actions, yet the obliviated commenters remain detectable by means of their presence in negative space, as shadows cast across the continuing blithering commentary of other, as yet to be banned or obliviated participants. †

The emergence of Hidden Obliviation and Hidden Nixmasters reflects the operation of a new form of evolutionary causation: Ridiculative Selection. Ridiculative selection is evident when the behavioral topology of a blog is modified by the consistent application of ridiculative pressures, in the face of which new behaviors that have yet to be ridiculed emerge while old behaviors that have been targeted by ridiculative selection drop from sight. Work is going forward to test the hypothesis that novel nixplanatory behaviors now emerging at UD are doing so response to the very ridiculative pressures applied by this thread.

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"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."- David Foster Wallace

"Here‚Äôs a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."- Barry Arrington

The moderators here should read your analysis. People are banned too frequently, merely for intransigence...

22BarryA12/05/200711:14 pm

jerry, Iím not sure I agree. I think you have to be pretty bad to get banned from this site. Throwing out insults, impugning integrity, etc. I donít think mere intransigence gets you kicked off. Witness getawitnessís continued presence. He never admits heís wrong even when everyone (including him, I suspect) knows it. But at least heís civil and kicks an occasional joke into the mix.

StuartHarris, it seems to be the medical community was pretty optimistic about antibiotics. Thatís why they prescribed them all the time.

But then the bacteria kept developing resistance to even the toughest antibiotics. It seems to me weíre reaching something more like the edge of antibiotic technology.

6russ12/10/20071:04 am

...Falsification of his ďedge of evolutionĒ, or simply adjusting where the edge lies? If bacteria successfully adapt to each and every antibiotic, thereís no evidence that that will lead to anything more than an altered bacterium.

7getawitness12/10/20071:11 am

Falsification of that edge, yes. He would be free to move the goalposts and draw another line in the sand.

13DaveScot12/10/20079:21 am

Getawitness is no longer with us.

BarryA?

--------------Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."- David Foster Wallace

"Here‚Äôs a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."- Barry Arrington

dcost is no longer with us. He asserted that the fossil record is incomplete because (I kid you not) it is incomplete. I guess he is certain he is right because he is certain he is right. In the meantime Iím certain that arguments of that nature are not welcome here.

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"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."- David Foster Wallace

"Here‚Äôs a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."- Barry Arrington

Here we have a Networked Hidden Obliviation, as Shoghi was summarily disappeared from UD AND comments caught in his web were obliviated as well. And all this happened in a computer on a post in WAD's backyard: † †

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Shoghi: I designed a controlled experiment that would test the hypothesis that organisms are frontloaded with information that allows them to survive in a totally unique environment that could not have possibly been an evolutionary adaptation. ...My procedures (short version): Find spider hatchlings that have been born in the wild outdoors. Place them inside a broken computer (I choose a computer because they havenít been around long enough for spiders to evolve any adaptations to living with). Next, place the computer on top of a pole outdoors. Wait and observe to see if they can build a web and then successfully reproduce.

jerry: A very clever experiment and one that offers prospects for the future.

Shoghi, put jerry down. You've had your fun.

Shoghi, I told you to put jerry down. Now, jerry's comments about spiders are gone too. No more spiders anywhere!

--------------Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."- David Foster Wallace

"Here‚Äôs a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."- Barry Arrington

A crosspost from the Uncommonly Dense thread documenting the science of obliviology. Unseen by the public are many hours of hot, dusty and arduous fieldwork conducted under primitive conditions. This refers to the ID's Predictive Prowess thread:

Obliviated comments may be detected as comment references fail to align. For example, in comment 159 (01/18/2008, 4:57 am) Clarence quoted PaV in 153 †- but PaV's comment appears in 152 (01/17/2008, 6:31 pm). So one message prior to the original 153 was deleted after 4:57 am of 1/18.

Similarly, the wonderer in 143 (01/17/2008 9:01 am) addresses DLH in 100 - but the DLH comment to which he is responding appears in 98 (01/16/2008, 9:29 am). So some time after the (now) 143 was posted two comments were obliviated that appeared prior to DLH's (now) 98.

We can narrow this down a bit: in 147 Larry Fafarman (01/17/2008 2:17 pm) quoted DaveTard in #48 (01/15/2008 11:28 am), and the reference aligns. That means that nothing was deleted prior to 48 during that period, and hence the two deletions above occurred between comments 48 and 98. Prior to that Shoghi and his comments were obliviated, as was at least one of Jerry's comments. (I know: who cares?)

Of course, these numbers are likely to changes as further obliviations occur. †

I think they're conducting a knockout experiment. Here they've knocked out a number of comments, yet the thread makes no less sense than before. It follows that the entire thread may be junk commentary.

--------------Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."- David Foster Wallace

"Here‚Äôs a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."- Barry Arrington

DRat07 and all his (or her) comments have been Hidden Obliviated (although are still indexed by the UD search function). DRat's comments have disappeared from UD, across a number of threads, including WAD's The World as Evolving Information.

(WAD appears to have a point.)

HT: Zachriel

--------------Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."- David Foster Wallace

"Here‚Äôs a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."- Barry Arrington

DRat07 and all his (or her) comments have been Hidden Obliviated (although are still indexed by the UD search function). DRat's comments have disappeared from UD, across a number of threads, including WAD's The World as Evolving Information.

(WAD appears to have a point.)

HT: Zachriel

Drat was me - I am surprised it took them this long to realize that Drat is Tard spelled backward.

The Nixplanatory Filter must have been not working again.

--------------Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

A Hidden Nixmaster has oblivated an entire thread at UD, demonstrating the operation of the Nixplanatory Filter in yet another new mode: Self-Ridiculative Selection. CeilingCat captured the entire spectacle here.

--------------Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."- David Foster Wallace

"Here‚Äôs a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."- Barry Arrington

Semprini: Let me encourage you to start by looking at the later chapters of The Design of Life and follow the references there (go to www.thedesignoflife.net). That said, I donít like your tone, so unless you find another way in, you wonít be posting at UD any longer.

--------------Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."- David Foster Wallace

"Here‚Äôs a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."- Barry Arrington

What the hell is going on over there? I can't keep up. WAD is oblivating threads as fast as DaveTard can create them.

HT to PTET for snagging Colson Praises PETA - Darwin Worldview. And thanks to DaveTard for keeping us in mind of A Sterling Example of Anti-Religionists with his argument that stupid acts prove intelligent design. Anyone happen to grab it?

The Days of PegLeg stands as a beacon of reason and stability as the Gaffe Zeppelin burns.

--------------Myth: Something that never was true, and always will be.

"The truth will set you free. But not until it is finished with you."- David Foster Wallace

"Here‚Äôs a clue. Snarky banalities are not a substitute for saying something intelligent. Write that down."- Barry Arrington

And thanks to DaveTard for keeping us in mind of A Sterling Example of Anti-Religionists with his argument that stupid acts prove intelligent design. Anyone happen to grab it?

It was already one in the morning; the rain pattered dismally against the panes, and my candle was nearly burnt out, when, by the glimmer of the half-extinguished light, I saw the dull yellow eye of the creature open . . .

And thanks to DaveTard for keeping us in mind of A Sterling Example of Anti-Religionists with his argument that stupid acts prove intelligent design. Anyone happen to grab it?

It was already one in the morning; the rain pattered dismally against the panes, and my candle was nearly burnt out, when, by the glimmer of the half-extinguished light, I saw the dull yellow eye of the creature open . . .

And thanks to DaveTard for keeping us in mind of A Sterling Example of Anti-Religionists with his argument that stupid acts prove intelligent design. Anyone happen to grab it?

It was already one in the morning; the rain pattered dismally against the panes, and my candle was nearly burnt out, when, by the glimmer of the half-extinguished light, I saw the dull yellow eye of the creature open . . .

And thanks to DaveTard for keeping us in mind of A Sterling Example of Anti-Religionists with his argument that stupid acts prove intelligent design. Anyone happen to grab it?

It was already one in the morning; the rain pattered dismally against the panes, and my candle was nearly burnt out, when, by the glimmer of the half-extinguished light, I saw the dull yellow eye of the creature open . . .