Different options is one thing, but when a punk band is money grubbing their fans, it's strange. I did not accuse Jake and Converge of doing this. I merely asked if the vinyl includes his beautiful artwork, we all know vinyl is the preferred media to listen to music on, why not make it the most important thing to "deluxe." Here is an example. Touche Amore releasing the absolutely beautiful deluxe edition of Parting the Sea Between Brightness and Me on vinyl. Oh...and some people can't afford to buy an album twice (this guy).

lol @ money grubbing
now WHO says vinyl is the 'preferred' media to listen to? outside of the punk/hardcore/indie music scene the majority of people listen to music through digital format and CDs. so for a normal non record collector this deluxe CD version is probably the coolest thing since sliced bread.

no ones forcing you to buy it twice. no ones forcing you to buy both the CD AND the vinyl. thats. why. there. are. options.
and your example sucks. that was a deluxe LP book, this is a book that also has a 9x14 insert that can be framed (aka probably a print along the lines of his normal work). and he sells his art for that price, even more, so the fact youre paying for not only a CD but also his artwork makes it one hell of a deal. or you could just pay for the regular cd.

Dion Wrote:
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> LOL
>
> Different options is one thing, but when a punk
> band is money grubbing their fans, it's strange. I
> did not accuse Jake and Converge of doing this. I
> merely asked if the vinyl includes his beautiful
> artwork, we all know vinyl is the preferred media
> to listen to music on, why not make it the most
> important thing to "deluxe." Here is an example.
> Touche Amore releasing the absolutely beautiful
> deluxe edition of Parting the Sea Between
> Brightness and Me on vinyl. Oh...and some people
> can't afford to buy an album twice (this guy).

Dion -

The hardcover book has artwork that is exclusive to the book alone. We wanted to include all of the created artwork in all formats, however it would have made the vinyl/cd formats carry an extremely high price tag that we didn't feel comfortable with forwarding onto supporters. (Ironically as physical sales have plummeted of music over the last 10 years, the cost of manufacturing has increased greatly).

After a lot of conversation between the label and band, we collectively felt that the limited book option was the way to go. High price tag yes, but the limited number being created made it slightly less painful to manufacture for the label. Not to mention it's something that presented the album in a new way that we are excited about. As artists, that's an important thing.

Whether we like it or not, the expense of manufacturing will always play a role in dictating what bands/labels can and cannot make.

I wish I could say that the book will generate a large amount of profit, however it is extremely expensive to manufacture something like this.
Therefore it won't really yield much more than any other format for the label/band.

Other formats, etc:
As for the preferred format, that is an open debate and a personal decision for listeners. By the numbers, you are actually incorrect. CD and Digital are in demand more so than vinyl for our band. I know at times it doesn't feel that way, but it is what it is. Though I love vinyl, I accept the reality of that. With that said, in ten years, maybe there will be a new form of media that will render all the positive aspects of those formats obsolete. For now, that is what we are concentrating on.

funny thing about me ordering this (2 reg, one deluxe)...I was w/o internet for the most part when this went up, and I just happened to refresh the page on my phone, and BOOM, there it was, and for the first time ever (when I was living in NC, just moved to SC the past few days) the stupid phone ACTUALLY LET ME ORDER SOMETHING AND DIDNT FAIL THIS TIME AND THE SERVERS WERE FINE!!

*I should note that when I placed my order, there was no tweet or fb, or anything else letting us know it was up...pure fucking luck was on my side.

godframedme Wrote:
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> funny thing about me ordering this (2 reg, one
> deluxe)...I was w/o internet for the most part
> when this went up, and I just happened to refresh
> the page on my phone, and BOOM, there it was, and
> for the first time ever (when I was living in NC,
> just moved to SC the past few days) the stupid
> phone ACTUALLY LET ME ORDER SOMETHING AND DIDNT
> FAIL THIS TIME AND THE SERVERS WERE FINE!!
>
>
>
> *I should note that when I placed my order, there
> was no tweet or fb, or anything else letting us
> know it was up...pure fucking luck was on my side.

same thing happened to me but I had to wait, then when I saw the 180grams back in the store at like 1am that night i ordered with the quickness. still want the book but I gotta wait scrounge for some more money. I can't let that pass me up.