Well after quite a few months of coding and learning all sorts I finally decided to release a tool Ive made for exploring wormholes. Its still a work in progress project, but overall it works without complaining!

Its meant to be clean and simple, but give you the maximum amount of customizable information as possible at the same time.

Posted - 2011.02.26 12:42:00 -
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As im in the same corp as Splodger, ive been using this tool awhile, and he is being a little too modest.

First of all there is no typing involved. You can always just click "update location" and the tool updates everything.

Everything on the screenshot thats underlined, is clickable. This means you will have info on jumps, kills - pve and/or pvp, in the timeframe you prefer.

If you, like me, cant remember what specific effects every class/type wh have, you can just click that and it will let you know.

The links will also inform you of spawns in sites, which can come in handy if your looking to do some pve, or looking to kill people doing pve.

The tool will also tell you what the static exit is in your current location, and what signature size it is, which should greatly improve time spend scanning. If you dont know what signature sizes are, youll want to find out, unless Splodger includes it, in this tool.

So to sum it all up, this tool is ideal for wormhole dwellers. Im sure other corps have other tools, that may be better/different, but this will be of great help to anyone using multiple links/sites in or out of game, to improve their wormhole life. It has certantly improved mine.

but, a word of warning to anyone considering using this tool to organize and map your routes.

Notice where the tool loads up from? thats rights its splodgers personal URL. use this tool if you dont mind your privacy being invaded. because splodger will be able to use this tool to gain access to any route posted in its system.

whether or not he choses to say as much in this thread after i bring it to light is anyones guess. but, i'm POSITIVE he will have access to all nav data entered into his tool.

release the source code for your tool or its not worth it for all these little guys who cant make their own tools to just hand vipers the keys to their systems.

but, a word of warning to anyone considering using this tool to organize and map your routes.

Notice where the tool loads up from? thats rights its splodgers personal URL. use this tool if you dont mind your privacy being invaded. because splodger will be able to use this tool to gain access to any route posted in its system.

everytime you update current location, your IGB sends where you are at to their server. after you ping it a few times running down a static chain you have just build black vipers a back trace on your route and all they gotta do is some very rudimentary scanning to get to you.

whether or not he choses to say as much in this thread after i bring it to light is anyones guess. but, i'm POSITIVE he will have access to all nav data entered into his tool.

release the source code for your tool or its not worth it for all these little guys who cant make their own tools to just hand vipers the keys to their systems.

Zarak1 is absolutely right. This app will make it possible for the developer to map out lots of connections, and it will be dead easy to get a route into your WH, with the consequences that has.

Releasing the source code would be a good thing for Vipers reputation.

Posted - 2011.02.26 19:40:00 -
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I do not know, why don't you tell me. Since after all, you are the ones that created a program that will let you track peoples movements through wh space every time they click a button on your site.

As I stated before. Provide the source code or people should just assume this is a tracking device.

It would be one thing if your corp was using it internally to track your own movements. But, your offering this as a free service that in fact has a huge price attached to it that your not advertising.

Posted - 2011.02.26 19:50:00 -
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This tool is not belonged to Black Viper Nomads, its splodgers. I highly doubt splodger realised and intended to exploit this tool as a tracking device. Im sure that will fix this issue as soon as he can.

Posted - 2011.02.26 20:08:00 -
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Use it at your own risk, like using a public car park, but we really are much too lazy to chase halfway accross the universe to catch some guy whos probably in a cov-ops even if we could trace a persons whereabouts in WH space :D

I can certainly say this site has been invaluable to us over that past months.

Posted - 2011.02.26 20:24:00 -
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ITT: AHARM points out that the IGB Trust Site? question is a meaningful one. We at Vipers can indeed be chill brosefs sipping Pina Coladas by the pool and wait for you other guys to just tell us when you're out to k-space/connected w-space and that it's worth our time backtracking the big juicy fat size 10 K162s. We could probably even pull what ships your flying, your skills/mods, who knows-not us because we really CBA to dig into it any furthur.

Posted - 2011.02.26 20:53:00 -
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confirming that we asked splodge to make this so we can track random ships in random wh's.

because quite honestly, what i enjoy most is burning across empire with negative sec, sitting in a system with a cloaked ship ive never seen, watching his probes drift around planets, waiting to follow him back to his pos to see him log off.

all the folks we hunt atm without our super secret tracking device, without even needing to fire off a probe, those are just killing time until the real fun starts and we get to watch people logging at pos's. makes me tremble with excitement just to think about all those red blocks in my buddylist. now if you will excuse me, im off to put on my cowboy outfit and think about offline transport ships... thats the good stuff right there!

not only that, but its aimed specifically at you. i saw that prowler, im coming for you boy, and im bringing my spare stetson.

how else would we find you without this, we all know c6's are infinite. it took us 3 days to find a specific c5. finding you gents would be like finding a needle in a packet of needles in a box labled "needles". curses, you saw through our cunning ploy.

Quote:how else would we find you without this, we all know c6's are infinite. it took us 3 days to find a specific c5. finding you gents would be like finding a needle in a packet of needles in a box labled "needles". curses, you saw through our cunning ploy.

Posted - 2011.02.26 23:28:00 -
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You know, at the start even before your allowed to use this tool, there are TWO warning. I even made a spiffy logo...quite enjoyed that! (doubt you even bothered to even load the link)

I could have been clearer about it but maybe thats part of the learning curve of releasing something, oh well live and learn.

Enjoy..or not. after all its your choice, else wait for a non-trust version.

Posted - 2011.02.27 02:08:00 -
[19]Edited by: Zarak1 Kenpach1 on 27/02/2011 02:13:53we all know full well i have no reason to use your crippled map site.

I am not mentioning this because aharm needs these tools. I am mentioning it because you are/were quietly trying to screw the rest of new eden. whether you all realized you could do that or not you would have sooner or later and then you simply have to pick off a list of connected targets to do some serious damage so someone else.

its pretty simple. provide your source code so other corps can use it themselves and not have to worry about y'all keeping tabs on anyone using it.

no sweat off my nuts if you dont though. just warning the many many other wormhole folks out there that dont have access to the tools that make nav easy.

ps I'd feel just as confident fighting y'all in that with its sole 125 AC as i did when i made y'all kiss the curb last time i found ya.

Originally by:Zarak1 Kenpach1dont y'all wonder why a wh-corp like any other one out there would give everyone else a tool that they would have to otherwise have to make in house for their own use?

not all of us are out here to farm isk, we dont all head into j in order to blob up and wipe the map clear so we can rat all day. our chief forum warrior (and eft addict) dan posts in just about every wh based thread giving advice and trying to help people find their feet out here. we want to populate wh's so we have people to shoot at, the easier it is to live out here, the more people move in, the more targets we have.

oh and aye, you held the field the time i got into a scrim with you boys, dont recall your name though, what i do remember is all the smack and colour commentary.

Posted - 2011.02.27 16:51:00 -
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We did have a out of game version that Dan wrote but some people in Aharm never liked that one either as it contained 'secret stuff'they would have preffered to keep from the rest of the community.This tool was originally made for our own corps use in navigating WHs and various features were added over time like the number of jumps/kills in a system (like dotlan and other sites)Splodger has made it public as is his right since he put all the work into it.I can say that I have 100% confidence in his motives which were not to secretly track people and gank them in there noob ships but to help the EVE community as a whole.As a previous poster mentioned we actively try and help people to get into WH's and make isk/have a good time.The way we see it is the more people are in this part of the game, the more people we will eventually run into and hopefully have a good fight or two along the way.

Saying all this, the program is evolving still and having new stuff added constantly and maybe splodge will publish a out of game version if he feels like it but if he doesnt I wouldnt blame him as he is under no obligation to do anything he doesnt want to. This is after all a game and games shud be FUN.

i still warn those out there in the wh community of this tools security flaws. the people who would use this would be prime targets for a small organized group that are constantly on the move like the vipers.

All i am hearing are promises about how you wont use it that way. I know i'm not convinced and no one else should either honestly.

Posted - 2011.02.27 21:02:00 -
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For an offline version of the piece of this app that gives you the reliable static sig name and size (i.e. the feature that isn't provided by dotlan/staticmapper/evemaps/in game routing feature):

Originally by:Zarak1 Kenpach1i still warn those out there in the wh community of this tools security flaws. the people who would use this would be prime targets for a small organized group that are constantly on the move like the vipers.

aww someones a fan. im touched... really, go on, touch it again.

shall we all gather around the elephant in the room, point at it and wait until it takes off the nametag and admits hes not really alan from marketing?

say there were a large corp out there in wh's that had a lot of enemies to worry about, lets call this theoretical corp "apartment of harmonicas", now they have something of a home field advantage, given that they know a ton of info about wh's that other folks are still struggling to learn. id imagine the apartment of harmonicas would be pretty ****ed if another group came along and handed out free advice to everyone who cared to use it. since, with this tool we can cycle holes in about 5 minutes, finding the ones we want, the ones we dont, then moving on to another. if someone lived in a c6 for example, of which there are a limited number, id imagine that information could be quite a risk to their security.

but thank god its all theoretical, and its not really happening eh? what a relief. otherwise wed have apartment of harmonica guys in our thread *****ing and whinging and trying to get the tool pulled down to cover their own arses.

i still warn those out there in the wh community of this tools security flaws. the people who would use this would be prime targets for a small organized group that are constantly on the move like the vipers.

All i am hearing are promises about how you wont use it that way. I know i'm not convinced and no one else should either honestly.

produce the code

EDIT:@khaz, by "secret" do you mean our code that our devs let you look at because you were former highers up in aharm? i'd sing plagarism to the chorus of halleluia if i could produce tone and pitch in text

1) Please carry on with your policing duties!

2) Please do not mis-quote me I have not promised anything, because eve is literally about trust, I give you the chance to trust me you either do or you dont.

3) No, this serves no purpose. any malicous code that can track people can be added in one line of text.... one line that is in no way vital to the website. and again refer to number 2, you seem to have a problem with this concept(you do have your own free will you know! really you do).

4) If your refering to plagarism, you do not own locus numbers, class id's, the arrangement of wormholes and mass number etc etc etc... these belong to the whim of CCP who at any point can change the "arrangement" oh how wormholes are put together. Anyone with enough time and common sense can work this out or even use staticmapper which i have cross referenced aswell to check the database I have is correct as possible but even so still incomplete in itself.

You know I honestly get your fears and concerns about what it can be used for I really do, but logistically think about tracking people and then the effort needed to hunt them down. Its far easier to close and open a hole I have an alt orca specifically for this.

I could have easily have used subtefuge and hosted on a different server and posted with an alt but I havnt, because I honestly dont care if you trust me or not, by all means Police all you want.

Posted - 2011.02.28 02:08:00 -
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As much fun as a big thread full of Viper/AHARM fighting is, I am gonna ask AHARM folks to take things down a notch.

BVN guys just might want to think some about the fact that all the info they added to this did not come from any of them, and really ought to be a little more thankful to the guy that did provide it (not me, they know who it was), and stop being jerks.

I know I personally wouldn't rely on a tool like this, both because the info *could* be used against me, but also because what happens if I like it and then find that the server goes down. If you guys don't want to release it, fine, you should feel free to keep it private. You do need to be honest about the *fact* that it does give your server some extremely useful information, you are able to connect IP addresses to character names and to locations. Just because you say you won't do anything bad with it now doesn't mean it is safe.

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