Well, for Hanyu to compete in London Worlds against Patrick Chan, Hanyu has to actually earn a spot on the Japanese team first. There are 5 very strong Japanese men, each of them can make a case for a spot on the team. If Hanyu skates his FS like he did in SA, there is a very real chance he won't make it to the podium at the Japanese Nationals. If so, can he legitimately take the place of another Japanese man who finished higher at their Nationals? Say, Machida skated lights out and finished 2nd, like how he defeated Takahashi recently, while Kozuka won the title. Do you shaft whoever finished 3rd in favor of Hanyu? What if that person happens to be Dai? Would it be more legitimate if that person were Oda?

Hanyu’s spot at world is almost guaranteed. His miserable FS in SA still got higher PCS than both Oda and Machida who had a couple of jump mistakes but performed much better overall. Hanyu’s SP got 46 on the PCS, so if he skates with only a few mistakes, the judges will be ready to give him similar PCS. Only way that Oda and Machida win against him is that they skate perfectly with successful quads, and Hanyu repeats the SA FS performance. The chance is not zero, but quite small, unfortunately.

This bad decision by JFS may result in worst case that either one of them cannot go to a final. As the way JFS and garbage media are pushing Hanyu, I guess this unfortunate one can be Takahashi. He needs to get back his quad and performs perfectly to win against Judge`s favorite Hanyu.

Originally Posted by Niki2012

Hanyu’s spot at world is almost guaranteed. His miserable FS in SA still got higher PCS than both Oda and Machida who had a couple of jump mistakes but performed much better overall. Hanyu’s SP got 46 on the PCS, so if he skates with only a few mistakes, the judges will be ready to give him similar PCS. Only way that Oda and Machida win against him is that they skate perfectly with successful quads, and Hanyu repeats the SA FS performance. The chance is not zero, but quite small, unfortunately.

Your posts are getting more and more ridiculous. Each time I see you you’re bashing Hanyu, and now you’re even making false number up to spread a rumor about him. At what competition did Hanyu get 46 in the PCS? Or maybe you’re the president of ISU or JSF that you scored him 46?

If you’re Daisuke’s fan and you’re worried that Hanyu will beat Daisuke at NHK, then I don’t think you should be this worried. As I replied you earlier in another thread, Daisuke always came back stronger than ever, especially at NHK. Remember last year he didn’t do well at SC and placed only 3rd there. Then he came back stronger than ever at NHK and beat a clean Kozuka by more than 10 points in the SP. Daisuke’s capable of achieving the same thing this year. And his silver at CoC means he has a better chance to get into GPF than last year, when he placed 3rd at SC. Also remember Dai’s meltdown at CoC had to do with his boot problem. I expect it to be resolved by NHK.

But if you talk about judges’ favorite at Japanese Nationals, that has never been Hanyu. On the contrary, the poor kid was quite lowballed at last year’s Japanese Nationals: almost all men and ladies got a PCS boost at the 2011 Japanese Nationals compared to their PCSs at international competitions last season. Hanyu was one of the few exceptions and he received lower PCS at the Japanese Nationals. Daisuke received 86.90 in PCS when he fell 3 times in the FS, and Kozuka received 81.50 when he fell once and missed his combo. Hanyu OTOH skated lights out and only received 79.00. So in your opinion, that was how the JSF treated their “favorite” Hanyu?

And do you remember that the technical panel changed Hanyu’s score hours after the SP to mark him below Machida and make Machida into the top 3? If anyone was favored then that must not have been Hanyu. One can argue that at the 2011 Japanese Nationals Daisuke was favored, Kozuka was favored, Machida was favored, Shoma Uno was favored, Ryuju Hino was favored, Asada was favored, Suzuki was favored, Kanako Murakami was favored, and the list goes on. But not Hanyu. If anything, Hanyu was plainly lowballed.

If Hanyu skates his FS like he did in SA, there is a very real chance he won't make it to the podium at the Japanese Nationals. If so, can he legitimately take the place of another Japanese man who finished higher at their Nationals?

Dear, you do have google. All your answers are there. The "legitimately" is what JSF decide. Their decisions are not based on J-Nationals results only.

If marked fairly (always a huge if with Chan) Hanyu would win out on TES if both skate their best. He should get much higher GOE on his jumps and their non jump elements are comparable. However Chan should get the higher PCS if both skate perfectly at this point. Overall I would say in a fairly marked competition Chan would win with both skating cleanly, but should lose if he has even one fall.

As for who goes to Worlds from Japan I am pretty sure Hanyu or Takahashi would be sent even if one misses the podium at Nationals. The Japanese federation considers more than the results of Nationals. Furthermore Japense Nationals like all countries is political, and the judges would make sure to keep both on the podium at Nationals no matter how bad one might skate. The rest are fighting for the remaining spot, likely to go to to Kozuka or Machida.

Your posts are getting more and more ridiculous. Each time I see you you’re bashing Hanyu, and now you’re even making false number up to spread a rumor about him. At what competition did Hanyu get 46 in the PCS? Or maybe you’re the president of ISU or JSF that you scored him 46?

If you’re Daisuke’s fan and you’re worried that Hanyu will beat Daisuke at NHK, then I don’t think you should be this worried. As I replied you earlier in another thread, Daisuke always came back stronger than ever, especially at NHK. Remember last year he didn’t do well at SC and placed only 3rd there. Then he came back stronger than ever at NHK and beat a clean Kozuka by more than 10 points in the SP. Daisuke’s capable of achieving the same thing this year. And his silver at CoC means he has a better chance to get into GPF than last year, when he placed 3rd at SC. Also remember Dai’s meltdown at CoC had to do with his boot problem. I expect it to be resolved by NHK.

He only got 43. It was my mistake. I didn’t bash Hanyu. I just expressed my opinion that his score is inflated. I am not really a Takahashi’s fan… hahahaha. He isn’t my favorite anyway. Why did you think I am?

But if you talk about judges’ favorite at Japanese Nationals, that has never been Hanyu. On the contrary, the poor kid was quite lowballed at last year’s Japanese Nationals: almost all men and ladies got a PCS boost at the 2011 Japanese Nationals compared to their PCSs at international competitions last season. Hanyu was one of the few exceptions and he received lower PCS at the Japanese Nationals. Daisuke received 86.90 in PCS when he fell 3 times in the FS, and Kozuka received 81.50 when he fell once and missed his combo. Hanyu OTOH skated lights out and only received 79.00. So in your opinion, that was how the JSF treated their “favorite” Hanyu?

Only in your eyes, he skated lights out. Hanyu fell 3 times and visibly was out of gas and had no stamina left to do choreo step. 79 is way too high. I don’t think he has been low-balled at all. He is in fact JFS’s new favorite son. In last season, his PCS jumped from 74 in China to 83 in World. If he was low balled, his PCS wouldn’t have gone up that much.

And do you remember that the technical panel changed Hanyu’s score hours after the SP to mark him below Machida and make Machida into the top 3? If anyone was favored then that must not have been Hanyu. One can argue that at the 2011 Japanese Nationals Daisuke was favored, Kozuka was favored, Machida was favored, Shoma Uno was favored, Ryuju Hino was favored, Asada was favored, Suzuki was favored, Kanako Murakami was favored, and the list goes on. But not Hanyu. If anything, Hanyu was plainly lowballed.

They didn’t intentionally place him behind Machida. They just miscounted his scores. Math error, that's all.