well yes i do have a few...(amplitude and t-racks)
but for now im only a 16 year old who erally cont afford $300+ for a plugin...so flame me if you want but i was just wondering f there is anyone else out there who finds these free plugins a help for beginners...

And by the way beside from the morals, over time your hacks are going to screw up your computer. I use TDM, that means I had to pay $4200 for a bundle of wavesplug-ins I'm 22 just turned, I bought them a year ago, just bought UA comp bundle for $500. Just bought a reel to reel, lots of hard work bought me these things. If you take it seriously buy the realplug-ins if its a joke hobbie still use the cracks.

And by the way most of the software comes with a standard rack of EQ's Compressors and Reverbs so isn't that enough for a begginer to learn on? Is the software your using also cracked? Tell us what are you using.

Chris, go to your room! Your grounded for one month! No phone, TV, video games or computer at all for you young man. You will delete those plugs and promise to never do it again. Oh, and that includes no MP3's as well.

Waves should be ashamed that they charged you $2200 for software!!! You have no tangible product and when they go to waves 5.0 or whatever, you're going to be paying them more money! (plus, maybe like 5 waves plugins sounds good anyway)

I'm not saying you should buy cracked plugins...i'm saying buy less plugins. For that $2200 you could've gotten a Kurzweil KSP8 and run that digitally and used far superior sounds.

Sorry to get off topic, but I don't know how plugin "manufacturers" justify charging so much for their products, nor why people pay it.

I have every plug that Waves makes. I bought them. I did not pay retail. If you do, you are a fool. I am a TDM user. I will always have to pay more because it is a TDM system, and that is OK, because I know that the software is held to a higher standard, based on the platform, and it will be supported well.

It is tangable. It performs a function. You don't buy gear to possess it, or look at it. You buy gear to use it. Most times you set it and forget it. Just because there is no cold hardware in the rack sucking down AC doesn't mean that it can't do the job.

Waves has to pay people to make the stuff. They have to support it. There is alot to it. When there is a new version, the old one still works. You don't have to upgarde unless you want to make use of a new or different OS.

Remember that when you buy a plug, it is for multiple channel use. 128 channels of a compressor in a rack would cost $64,000. Or one Waves Platinum Bundle with a crap load more function, eq's, limiters, enhancers, etc, $2,500.

Well, I think that less people would skip the "cracks" if the prices forplug-insweren't so high.
To buy a harware-reverb for 200-500 USD makes sense... but to pay the same price for a reverb plug-inm that costs much less to make really feels strange.... and it's not better than the hardware reverb!
And you won't even get the manual on paper... just a PDF-file!
I would like to see something like a "plug-in FMR" .. you know, good sounding effects at a reasonable price.... 40-100 USD.

You maybe remember how it was when you were a teenager and bought your first elctric guitar.... you started to save some money for your next stompbox.... and you couldn't afford MXR or better stuff, but you could always afford an Electro Harmonix that one could really make great sounds!
So come on... where's the "Electro Harmonixplug-ins ?

As well as we have Cubasis, and Micro Logic... we should have "Waves-is" and "Micro-autotune"... and so on.

That was a decent argument and I agree with some points you've made. But let's say you were a Motu 3.0 user who just went to 4.0. You also invested heavily in a suite of Bomb Factory plugins. They have not yet been ported to 4.0 and as of now, there are no plans to do so...so you just lost all of those plugins. They are software!!!

I lost money on buying some Refuse (a link between Reason and PT 5.11) because when i went to OSX, PT added Rewire support.

If there wasn't a VST to AU adaptor for OSX, lots of people would be complaining about money the lost on plugins.

It's like a never ending money cycle...

I'm just trying to be much more selective when i buy software from now on...because every few years, everything changes.

Originally posted by MisterBlue:
I say support the software companies that are trying so hard to take digital audio engineering to the next level. The only reason that a PCM91 and a TC M6000 don't exist in software is that it is way too easy to pirate them, thus putting the companies behind it out of business. Adapting the algorithms to run on a computer CPU is a couple months work at most ...

Just food for thought ... and my opinion .

MisterBlue.

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The TC M6000 doesn't exist in computer form because you'd have to dedicate an entire computer to it. There are very powerful algorithms in there.

As far as the Lexicon goes, i'm not too fond of that model BUT if you listen to Lexiverb or whatever the PT plugin is called, it sounds WAY worse than their hardware boxes...for a reason. Too much horsepower for those programs. Basically a Lexicon box is a computer dedicated to just that reverb.

I'm sorry i made this a hardware vs. software debate. I do LOVE software and use Reason to death. I also just downloaded a slew of FREE audio units (crystal and the ones i posted above) and they made me wonder what we're really paying for here.

That was a decent argument and I agree with some points you've made. But let's say you were a Motu 3.0 user who just went to 4.0. You also invested heavily in a suite of Bomb Factory plugins. They have not yet been ported to 4.0 and as of now, there are no plans to do so...so you just lost all of those plugins. They are software!!!

I lost money on buying some Refuse (a link between Reason and PT 5.11) because when i went to OSX, PT added Rewire support.

If there wasn't a VST to AU adaptor for OSX, lots of people would be complaining about money the lost on plugins.

It's like a never ending money cycle...

I'm just trying to be much more selective when i buy software from now on...because every few years, everything changes.

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I agree on the never ending cycle. And things do change about every three years. When I went to OS X and PT HD/6.1 I had to upgrade everything including Mezzo, which I have to have to do back ups. But, all in all, we should keep in mind that we are using computers, which are disposable technology. I would much rather be doing this, than be locked into a hardware solution w/an OS like the one Mackie uses, that prohibits larger drives, increased sample rate, etc.

We can't fight it. And in the long run, when you consider dollar per function, it is still cheaper than buying hardware.

As far as MOTU/BF, there is more going on there than meets the eye. Eric the "Bombguy" and the MOTU boys don't see eye to eye on things. He is a hard man to get along with. He, like others, is into releasing better product. But the people that make decisions on various platforms make life hard. At one time he wasn't getting along well with Digi either, and subsequently the BF stuff was eliminated from the Digi HD plug in bundles all together.

There is no way to tell what the future holds. It is inevitable that OS's will change with hardware. New concepts and ideals will be introduced. People will get pissy. One thing is for sure. No matter what you buy, analog or digital, it's days are numbered.

Maybe I will come up with a subscription service. Instead of people buying the software that they want, they will rent it. The software companies can charges a license fee, or agrees to take royalties, etc. What do you think?

Or, Would you be willing to pay more upfront for a service charge/policy that locks you into multiple upgrades in the future, gambling on the company's (or your) existance?

That was a decent argument and I agree with some points you've made. But let's say you were a Motu 3.0 user who just went to 4.0. You also invested heavily in a suite of Bomb Factory plugins. They have not yet been ported to 4.0 and as of now, there are no plans to do so...so you just lost all of those plugins. They are software!!!

I lost money on buying some Refuse (a link between Reason and PT 5.11) because when i went to OSX, PT added Rewire support.

If there wasn't a VST to AU adaptor for OSX, lots of people would be complaining about money the lost on plugins.

It's like a never ending money cycle...

I'm just trying to be much more selective when i buy software from now on...because every few years, everything changes.

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I agree on the never ending cycle. And things do change about every three years. When I went to OS X and PT HD/6.1 I had to upgrade everything including Mezzo, which I have to have to do back ups. But, all in all, we should keep in mind that we are using computers, which are disposable technology. I would much rather be doing this, than be locked into a hardware solution w/an OS like the one Mackie uses, that prohibits larger drives, increased sample rate, etc.

We can't fight it. And in the long run, when you consider dollar per function, it is still cheaper than buying hardware.

As far as MOTU/BF, there is more going on there than meets the eye. Eric the "Bombguy" and the MOTU boys don't see eye to eye on things. He is a hard man to get along with. He, like others, is into releasing better product. But the people that make decisions on various platforms make life hard. At one time he wasn't getting along well with Digi either, and subsequently the BF stuff was eliminated from the Digi HD plug in bundles all together.

There is no way to tell what the future holds. It is inevitable that OS's will change with hardware. New concepts and ideals will be introduced. People will get pissy. One thing is for sure. No matter what you buy, analog or digital, it's days are numbered.

Maybe I will come up with a subscription service. Instead of people buying the software that they want, they will rent it. The software companies can charges a license fee, or agrees to take royalties, etc. What do you think?

Or, Would you be willing to pay more upfront for a service charge/policy that locks you into multiple upgrades in the future, gambling on the company's (or your) existance?

That was a decent argument and I agree with some points you've made. But let's say you were a Motu 3.0 user who just went to 4.0. You also invested heavily in a suite of Bomb Factory plugins. They have not yet been ported to 4.0 and as of now, there are no plans to do so...so you just lost all of those plugins. They are software!!!

I lost money on buying some Refuse (a link between Reason and PT 5.11) because when i went to OSX, PT added Rewire support.

If there wasn't a VST to AU adaptor for OSX, lots of people would be complaining about money the lost on plugins.

It's like a never ending money cycle...

I'm just trying to be much more selective when i buy software from now on...because every few years, everything changes.

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I agree on the never ending cycle. And things do change about every three years. When I went to OS X and PT HD/6.1 I had to upgrade everything including Mezzo, which I have to have to do back ups. But, all in all, we should keep in mind that we are using computers, which are disposable technology. I would much rather be doing this, than be locked into a hardware solution w/an OS like the one Mackie uses, that prohibits larger drives, increased sample rate, etc.

We can't fight it. And in the long run, when you consider dollar per function, it is still cheaper than buying hardware.

As far as MOTU/BF, there is more going on there than meets the eye. Eric the "Bombguy" and the MOTU boys don't see eye to eye on things. He is a hard man to get along with. He, like others, is into releasing better product. But the people that make decisions on various platforms make life hard. At one time he wasn't getting along well with Digi either, and subsequently the BF stuff was eliminated from the Digi HD plug in bundles all together.

There is no way to tell what the future holds. It is inevitable that OS's will change with hardware. New concepts and ideals will be introduced. People will get pissy. One thing is for sure. No matter what you buy, analog or digital, it's days are numbered.

Maybe I will come up with a subscription service. Instead of people buying the software that they want, they will rent it. The software companies can charges a license fee, or agrees to take royalties, etc. What do you think?

Or, Would you be willing to pay more upfront for a service charge/policy that locks you into multiple upgrades in the future, gambling on the company's (or your) existance?

Maybe I will come up with a subscription service. Instead of people buying the software that they want, they will rent it. The software companies can charges a license fee, or agrees to take royalties, etc. What do you think?

Or, Would you be willing to pay more upfront for a service charge/policy that locks you into multiple upgrades in the future, gambling on the company's (or your) existance?

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Another great post! If i'm not mistaken, now when you liscence Waves products you get a year of upgrades, no?

Hmm...maybe i should go find my OS 9.22 cd and go back...my wallet is getting scared and the music i made "back then" still sounds just as good.