I didn't think it was crap but I was expecting a bit more. It was better than most of the episodes this season.

"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."

-H. L. Mencken

The Old Doctor

by The Old Doctor » Mon May 13, 2013 7:13 pm

Hmmm, if Warren Ellis wrote an episode of Dr Who... yes, we do not want that.

rubber spoon

According to the article, however, this is a "forgotten" Doctor, which would explain why he isn't referenced. However, they have been playing on the 'when the eleventh falls' prophecy, which would make little sense if the current Doctor isn't actually the 11th.

rubber spoon

According to the article, however, this is a "forgotten" Doctor, which would explain why he isn't referenced. However, they have been playing on the 'when the eleventh falls' prophecy, which would make little sense if the current Doctor isn't actually the 11th.

The Old Doctor

by The Old Doctor » Tue May 14, 2013 9:50 am

David Bird wrote:According to the article, however, this is a "forgotten" Doctor, which would explain why he isn't referenced. However, they have been playing on the 'when the eleventh falls' prophecy, which would make little sense if the current Doctor isn't actually the 11th.

This was originally a fan proposal for the Shalka Doctor... played by Richard E Grant who has been a repeated villain this season.

Yet... he could also be a product of the Time War and there's been two Doctors since the 8th became the 9th. That was the theory with the Shalka Doctor, that the Time War caused history and the 9th Doctor to be rewritten. With this, it would be something different, either another Valyard type situation or perhaps a Time Lord scheme, given the forgotten part. Or Hurt is having a funny with the press.

The Old Doctor

David Bird wrote:According to the article, however, this is a "forgotten" Doctor, which would explain why he isn't referenced. However, they have been playing on the 'when the eleventh falls' prophecy, which would make little sense if the current Doctor isn't actually the 11th.

This was originally a fan proposal for the Shalka Doctor... played by Richard E Grant who has been a repeated villain this season.

Yet... he could also be a product of the Time War and there's been two Doctors since the 8th became the 9th. That was the theory with the Shalka Doctor, that the Time War caused history and the 9th Doctor to be rewritten. With this, it would be something different, either another Valyard type situation or perhaps a Time Lord scheme, given the forgotten part. Or Hurt is having a funny with the press.

The Old Doctor

by The Old Doctor » Tue May 14, 2013 9:55 am

Amoebas wrote:And another instance where only the standard ten are mentioned...

My favorite for that. There is also the scene in the Next Doctor Christmas special where they first did that. Then with the Picasso episode, they sort of did it with a print out from the TARDIS console.

The Old Doctor

Amoebas wrote:And another instance where only the standard ten are mentioned...

My favorite for that. There is also the scene in the Next Doctor Christmas special where they first did that. Then with the Picasso episode, they sort of did it with a print out from the TARDIS console.

penile prisoner

If there is a missing Doctor (between the 8th and 9th?) then that would make Tennant's death the Fall of the Eleventh, right?

So, perhaps the place the Doctor is not supposed to go is Tennant's regeneration.

The main problem with that idea is that Tennant will reprise his role in the anniversary episode, not the season finale in which you would expect him to appear if the theory is true.

"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."

-H. L. Mencken

The Old Doctor

by The Old Doctor » Tue May 14, 2013 5:47 pm

nietoperz wrote:"The Fall of the Eleventh" does not have to refer to the Doctor at all. It could be a classic bit of Moff misdirection.

And as has been pointed out, if the Doctor has been forced to somehow forget a whole incarnation thanks to the Time War, that incarnation would be missing from all his memories and references.

I think it's really this. Otherwise he's really dug into the mythos and is playing with it. After all, this could be a Valeyard type Doctor too. An interesting concept barely played with.

Rain Partier

so they used a little loophole to explain the 11th/12th doctor conundrum. obviously john hurt was the one who wiped out the time lords and everyone else involved in the time war along with all the collateral damage in the process. that fits well with the theory that hurt fits between mcgann and ecclestone.

you reckon that they're going to give us another half-season of doctor hurt?

Rain Partier

so they used a little loophole to explain the 11th/12th doctor conundrum. obviously john hurt was the one who wiped out the time lords and everyone else involved in the time war along with all the collateral damage in the process. that fits well with the theory that hurt fits between mcgann and ecclestone.

you reckon that they're going to give us another half-season of doctor hurt?