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On episode 021, Jamie catches up with legendary jazz drummer Jeff Williams from his home in England to discuss his 50-year career behind the kit. Jeff has played with jazz greats such as Stan Getz, Dave Liebman, Richie Beirach, and Lee Konitz among others. Jeff talks about his formative years as a player, studying with the great Alan Dawson and landing some of his early gigs. Jamie and Jeff also discuss his group's new album, Lifelike, that was recorded live in London highlighting Jeff's abilities as a drummer, composer and bandleader. Jeff also offers loads of fantastic advice and insights on "letting go of thought" while playing.