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Obviously it's just speculation.. Looking at all the fire/fighting Att./ Sp. Att starters we can clearly deduce they always do what they want..

Maybe this time Fennekin's best stats will be Sp. Att and Speed since it's a fox. GameFreak should make a change in starters and I'm sure they do observe fans' opinions on certain issues in the game.
About Froakie, I don't really see a frog Pokémon being a fast Pokémon. However, Froakie does look like a tree frog, so Speed may be its second highest. Other than that it should be another Attack Pokémon, but let's see what GameFreak does.

although type discussion is good and all but, I wanna ask ppl what types of attack you want on their movepool? (starters)

I for 1 energybeam for fennekin-line, better than solar beam or grass knot for the last 2 gens and no w8ing. Thou i still dont get the reason how come no special electric type move has ever been teachable to fire types.

water has 2 weakness that doesnt have common ground but they mostly get counter moves for them in ice beam and 1 ground attack for electric. so no need to worry for froakie

For chespin, grass type is always a pain the back side at the 1st glance but by learning 1 rock move they can actually have a good counter. Thou most cases they couldnt.

So i actually want every single starter to learn 1 attack that can counter their weaknesses regardless of typing. What about you?

Maybe this time Fennekin's best stats will be Sp. Att and Speed since it's a fox. GameFreak should make a change in starters and I'm sure they do observe fans' opinions on certain issues in the game.

Let me say that Sp. Att./ Speed is not that change (Charizard/Typhlosion).. I don't think also that fennekin being a fox or froakie being a frog makes them faster or not.. I mean Venusaur and Blaziken have actually 80 base speed.. Imagine them running together.. -.-

I like this fake evo better for Fenne's. There was a discussion of her having a third eye which is pretty dope.

I love the way that looks, and maybe its because I hope beyond hope that fennekin is fire/psychic, but that looks a bit too fire-y..to me. Not every fire pokemon needs to be covered in flames and be all like "I'M MADE OF FIRE, SUP?"

Let me say that Sp. Att./ Speed is not that change (Charizard/Typhlosion).. I don't think also that fennekin being a fox or froakie being a frog makes them faster or not.. I mean Venusaur and Blaziken have actually 80 base speed.. Imagine them running together.. -.-

Well, it's a change from Att/SpAtt bases. But if maybe Fennekin can also be SpDef, a special tank for a Fire starter would be fresh from straight out attack Fire starters.

I'm just hoping personally, that we have a fast Water starter this gen. Maybe Froakie doesn't gain that much weight as it evolves unlike Palpitoad to Seismitoad.

I'm really leaning towards Chespin, right now. I really believe that people will regret choosing Fennekin, in a similar way as Snivy. Everyone loved Snivy, but then he was kind of terrible. I have a feeling Fennekin is going to end up being the same way.

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Think I'll go for Froakie, Chespin looks way to Pachirusu/emolga while Fennekin looks like a Digimon.
I really hope Froakie will be Water + Poison later on. That will be an great addition since there are only (3 water/poison in total) imo, I will go with Froakie when the time comes.

Obviously it's just speculation.. Looking at all the fire/fighting Att./ Sp. Att starters we can clearly deduce they always do what they want..

That's some really good speculation. I agree that Chespin will be a Att/Sp.Att, he reminds me of Oshawot and I can only see his evolutions going toward something like Samurott or maybe into a Att/Def evo. But I think no matter what he's going to be Attack.
Also yeah if Fennekin does turn out to be Psychic maybe he'll be Sp.Att/ Sp.Def. He could be Sp.Att/Speed though. Maybe they will go after the fact that its a fox and go with speed. Idk.
I'm not so sure on Speed with Froakie. If it turns into fighting he might be Att/Def or Att/Sp.Att but seeing as there are no Speed water starters Froakie might be the first.

^this. I prefer aesthetics with pokemon myself. If a pokemon is amazing battle wise but I hate the design I wont ever even consider using it (darmanitan) while I would be a bit annoyed if we get another fire fighter, if he looks cool he looks cool. I personally didn't like that fake fennekin evolution because the paws look to strange and i think he should be thinner, he doesn't look graceful like fennekin does. Its a good drawing but not my style

I totally agree. While I do take stats and types into account, at the end of the day, if the Pokemon doesn't appeal to me I won't use it (Tepig and his kin). I'll even use Pokemon most consider awful if they're charming enough aesthetically.

That being said, I really hope they don't make another Fire/Fighting starter. I'll probably use it anyway, but it really is getting old. I mean, this is the first time I actually want to pick the fire starter before any other. I hope they get a little creative with it, or at the very least don't keep rehashing what they always do.

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Think I'll go for Froakie, Chespin looks way to Pachirusu/emolga while Fennekin looks like a Digimon.
I really hope Froakie will be Water + Poison later on. That will be an great addition since there are only (3 water/poison in total) imo, I will go with Froakie when the time comes.

Chespin might look odd now but wait for it's evolution. I think it'll turn into something awesome.
A Water/Poison starter would actually be amazing. I never thought of that but I'm going with what everyone else is saying, Water/Fighting. While Water/Poison might only have 3, Water/Fighting only has Keldeo. I am kinda sick of any type of Fighting starter though so a part of me hopes your right.

Well, it's a change from Att/SpAtt bases. But if maybe Fennekin can also be SpDef, a special tank for a Fire starter would be fresh from straight out attack Fire starters.

I'm just hoping personally, that we have a fast Water starter this gen. Maybe Froakie doesn't gain that much weight as it evolves unlike Palpitoad to Seismitoad.

A partial change imo would be not best Sp. Att. cause we have already 5 fire starters with great sp. att. I would say that a speed, well defensed fire starter would be the only real innovation.
About Froakie, I really hope it won't become another fat, ugly Seismitod/Toxicroag and please let it stay four legs.. It has a lot of possibilities on design and typing, just hope not another Tepig--> Emboar abomination..

I can see wher eyou get the idea that froakie is ice/water, and it would make sense if game freak wanted to give it a fighting chhance against the grass type, but it's bubbles not frost, and the frost part of the name could also be the FROg part of the name, I mean they are the same.

Although I chose Fennekin on the poll, I see some potential in Froakie (just noticed its name is a combo of frog and SOAK).
Out of all the speculation coming with web sources and pictures, I liked the spec that said Froakie resembled some famous innovator/inventor (was it Benjamin Franklin?). I never noticed how those things on Froakie's face resembled spectacles.
And although the fanart for Fennekin's final evo (the one with the third eye) was awesome, it seems that that doesn't match the artists' styles.

For now I think Froakie's final evo will be a Water/Electric type since the cloud-like object on its back may grow bigger and darker to resemble a storm cloud, which would support the Benjamin Franklin hypothesis, since he discovered electricity.
This is just speculation; the cloud-like object may just grow to be a rain cloud, and the developers have the power to decide the game's course.