bigdaddydave wrote:You think he could get open when Russell is scramblin' around?! =)

I was really high on Patterson, and I still am, I think he could be a great player in the national football league, but I think there's another receiver in this draft that would give us a bigger instant impact. I think Patterson's raw, and hasn't got the football smarts of a guy like DeAndre Hopkins.

Hopkins doesn't have the size or pace of Patterson but I watch his tape and he knows how to find space, and that's huge, think Largent!

Watch the tapes of Allen and Patterson and you'll see they make a lot of their catches (albeit spectacular ones) in traffic, of course there are the exceptions, especially with Patterson (though it's largely due to his pace, not his route running).

Now watch Hopkins. He too, without offering the height of Allen or Patterson, can make some great catches in traffic. But also notice how often he is open, I lost count of how often I heard "Wide open, DeAndre Hopkins" watching his tape.

He displays a greater ability to consistently get open, and that's something that would be very valuable to a QB who's taught to take care of the ball; and as a result of the receivers' struggles to get open this year, has either scrambled, thrown it away or taken sacks.

It would make much more sense to take Hopkins than Patterson, imo. I'm not saying Patterson's necessarily a project, I just don't think he's as ready as Hopkins, and although he's the kind of guy you'd look to supersede Sidney, I'd rather we drafted for immediate impact, especially in the first/early second.

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With Wilson, I want the most polished guy there when picking a WR since it took about 3 full seasons for Tate to arrive. I like Hopkins the most, he isn't exactly a small guy but just seems like one of those reliable WR that can get open regularly. I don't know if about the rest of them, a Torrey Smith type would be nice but I don't know who the speedsters are this season.

12th_Bob wrote:With Wilson, I want the most polished guy there when picking a WR since it took about 3 full seasons for Tate to arrive. I like Hopkins the most, he isn't exactly a small guy but just seems like one of those reliable WR that can get open regularly. I don't know if about the rest of them, a Torrey Smith type would be nice but I don't know who the speedsters are this season.

12th_Bob wrote:With Wilson, I want the most polished guy there when picking a WR since it took about 3 full seasons for Tate to arrive. I like Hopkins the most, he isn't exactly a small guy but just seems like one of those reliable WR that can get open regularly.

I agree with this. If Hopkins turns out to be able to compensate well for a moving QB, his workaholic reputation and reliability seems like the best help for this offense.

I don't know if a guy at the top is worth a blockbuster deal. But, I'd trade a couple of mid round picks to move up 8 spots or so to ensure getting Hopkins. I see a lot of Reggie Wayne in him.

I don't think Star L. falls, too much potential. I can see Patterson going really high as well. The success of guys like Harvin and Cobb shows that freak athletes can make an impact early even if they're not too polished.

seahawks875 wrote:I think we would be good with either Patterson or Hopkins. Hopkins reminds me of roddy white and Patterson reminds me of dez bryant, so either way I think we would be getting a good reciever

I agree with the White and Hopkins comparison, but I'd say Keenan Allen fits the Dez Bryant comparison more, IMO.

I don't know if there's really a player in the NFL now that compares Patterson except maybe a much bigger and stronger Percy Harvin.

This draft is going to be fun to see where these receivers go.

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seahawks875 wrote:I think we would be good with either Patterson or Hopkins. Hopkins reminds me of roddy white and Patterson reminds me of dez bryant, so either way I think we would be getting a good reciever

I agree with the White and Hopkins comparison, but I'd say Keenan Allen fits the Dez Bryant comparison more, IMO.

I don't know if there's really a player in the NFL now that compares Patterson except maybe a much bigger and stronger Percy Harvin.

This draft is going to be fun to see where these receivers go.

I really can't remember seeing a kid Patterson's size move the way he does. He's so electric in the open field.

I say Patterson compares to Bryant because they both have/had character problems entering the draft but are big, fast , very talented receivers, I also agree that Justin hunter kind of reminds me of AJ Green

kobebryant wrote:I am intrigued by Patterson. But a lot of his production comes from reversing field against college athletes, Reggie Bush will tell you that that doesn't translate to the NFL.

I prefer the more polished Hopkins or Wheaton. Especially if we are talking about someone to catch the ball consistently, be smart, run great routes and spend the offseasons working with Russ.

Exactly! And I fear Patterson would get the ball stripped a lot with the way he so casually carries it. The speed of the NFL might be too much for him if he can't run a route tree. And the character concerns worry me. He's not worth the risk.

kobebryant wrote:I am intrigued by Patterson. But a lot of his production comes from reversing field against college athletes, Reggie Bush will tell you that that doesn't translate to the NFL.

I prefer the more polished Hopkins or Wheaton. Especially if we are talking about someone to catch the ball consistently, be smart, run great routes and spend the offseasons working with Russ.

Exactly! And I fear Patterson would get the ball stripped a lot with the way he so casually carries it. The speed of the NFL might be too much for him if he can't run a route tree. And the character concerns worry me. He's not worth the risk.

kobebryant wrote:I am intrigued by Patterson. But a lot of his production comes from reversing field against college athletes, Reggie Bush will tell you that that doesn't translate to the NFL.

I prefer the more polished Hopkins or Wheaton. Especially if we are talking about someone to catch the ball consistently, be smart, run great routes and spend the offseasons working with Russ.

Good points all around, particularly the last 6 words.

I like Hopkins too.. but the working the offseason with Russ part.. won't that be beneficial to ANY rookie WR?

I think in the end it's all probably moot anyway, as guys like Patterson scream "quick riser up the boards" because of what an athletic freak he is.. and unless we trade up for him, we're probably not getting him.. but I'm inclined to believe any rookie WR is going to benefit a lot from having Russell Wilson has his QB.. simply because he's going to demand 110% effort from his guy.

Everyone always want the next Andre Johnson or Brandon Marshall. The big 6'3+ wr with speed. So much so that we see guys every year who have the measurables but not the tape or production of a first rounder.

I agree Reggie Wayne and Roddy White are good comparisons for Hopkins. He is not the biggest, the fastest, or even stand out in highlights, but what i think he brings is the consistency that the others don't have. The diffrence between Koren Robinson and Darrell Jackson, Koren was bigger faster and more talented but was soo damn inconsistent. D-Jax just got open and made play for us (minus a few drops)

Pair up Hopkins with RW3 and I see magic, look how much Tate improved with RW throwing to him, I see more speed, better hands, and better separation with Hopkins than Tate has. I'd love to get an instant upgrade vs a project unrefined WR.

I'm worried myself and other on .net are getting to in love with Hopkins as I think there is a good chance he will be around when we draft. I just worried PC and JS don't see upgrading our WR's with an early pick something they want to do. I think we are more invested in Rice, Tate, Baldwin than we are Miller, McCoy at TE. If they want to give Russ a weapon but not mess with Tate's confidence they might go for a project WR but in round 2 or 3.