There marriage took place 7th January 1892...between Annie Moody age 19 - her father was George Moody a bricklayer - address Hector street Bootle.....and John Henry Smith age 22 a Labourer - his father John Smith also a Labourer - address Doncaster street..Bootle...

I have had a look through the 1901 census for Annie and John Smith, I thought I had found them with a daughter Eleanor age 7 in 1901. The age for Annie would have been right, born 1873, but I had to rule that family out because her brother was living with them George McCulloch, so that put that to bed.

I was wondering if Annie may have died and that is why her daughter was living with her grandparents. I found this death reg, but there is no way of knowing if she was your Annie.

I know thats the problem don't know what has happened to them..think I will send for death cert of that Annie Smith age 22 .. just to rule out if it is her?? But I know for sure John Henry was alive in 1917 when there daughter got married of it would have shown deceased after his name..[timber traveler] ..I am coming to Liverpool on the 14th November I will go to ST Georges Hall & see what I can find out about them..

It isn't a certainty that John Henry was still living in 1917, not everyone stated on their marriage cert if their father was deceased or not, I know some of my ancestors didn't state deceased on theirs, although I knew that their father was deceased by the time of their marriage.

St Georges Hall doesn't hold any public records there, you would be better going around the corner to the Records office in the Library in William Brown Street, it is on the third floor there, they have directories, burial, church records, mainly on microfilm, you don't have to book to have a look at them, the library staff are very helpful and I am sure they will help you out.

welshlady wrote:Many thanks for the photos ..I had gone on Google Maps but couldn't see the numberes of the houses.. plus sometimes they are not always the numbers that come up on the Google Map site...my Great Aunt's husband was Nathan Rankin... passed away in 1918...he was a boatswain on ships [ bosun].. have got him in 1911 census living wIth Edith wife..... his mother in law Mary Moody [ head of household].....brother in law Charles Moody .... also my grandmother Edith Smith ... at 48 Thornton road Bootle.... just wondered how he died because he died in West Derby???

Many Thanks..

Hi Welshlady, I haven't been on the site much lately as my Family History Research has hit "the preverbial brick wall" !!! But was just glancing through some of the topics & began reading through your thread and saw Thornton road mentioned..........my Mums Family lived in 55 Thornton Road and in fact my cousin actually bought the house many years ago and she still lives there. The Family name is Musker,believed to be possibly the oldest family in Liverpool. The Musker Family originated in Liverpool but then slowly but surely moved from the inner city tenements to an area around Scotland Road and then eventually some members found their way to Bootle. Indeed two of my Musker relatives were responsible for bringing The Charter for Bootle's Independence from Lime Street Station to Bootle after it was Granted. A lot of Muskers lived in the affluent (at that time) houses in Merton Road in the 1800's,and the oldest house in Bootle which still stands near Christ Church,was the home of a Musker at that time It was originally a Hunting Lodge belonging to Lord Derby.....hard to believe that those Musker relatives used to Farm the land around there. Anyway,hope you are successful in your Family Research.....Take Care & Be Good Best Wishes

Many thanks for that interesting info ... I have no idea when my family moved from Thornton Rd to Rydal St but know they where there in 1937..as it was my mothers address where she got married from in 1937 ... hope you find more out about your family soon.. its frustrating when you hit a brick wall!!.Good LuckWelshlady

It isn't a certainty that John Henry was still living in 1917, not everyone stated on their marriage cert if their father was deceased or not, I know some of my ancestors didn't state deceased on theirs, although I knew that their father was deceased by the time of their marriage.

St Georges Hall doesn't hold any public records there, you would be better going around the corner to the Records office in the Library in William Brown Street, it is on the third floor there, they have directories, burial, church records, mainly on microfilm, you don't have to book to have a look at them, the library staff are very helpful and I am sure they will help you out.

Jan

Hi JanYes I understand what you are saying plus she was only 19 when she got married..& maybe was only saying he was alive to fool the register into thinking she had his consent!!?? , thanks for the info about the records office...

Best wishesWelshlady.

PS Am a bit of romancer me making things out to be how I would like them to be!! lol.

BOBHAMO wrote:Hi Welsh lady walton is jioned to bootle just up the roadsee the family moved to linconshire in 1881 where george was bornashcroft street was just off merton roadbobhamo

Thank you BOBHAMO yes I saw that she moved to Lincolnshire ,Mary Ann Whittle had passed away in 1876..& as Alice was Mary Moody's sister.. Maybe Alice's husband was George Moodys mate as they came from same place & both bricklayer's ( me & my story making again) & both met Liverpool girls while working there together!

I have had a look through the 1901 census for Annie and John Smith, I thought I had found them with a daughter Eleanor age 7 in 1901. The age for Annie would have been right, born 1873, but I had to rule that family out because her brother was living with them George McCulloch, so that put that to bed.

I was wondering if Annie may have died and that is why her daughter was living with her grandparents. I found this death reg, but there is no way of knowing if she was your Annie.

welshlady wrote:Hi again Having awful trouble tracing my great/geandparents John Henry Smith & Annie Smith have got then as far as my grandmother's baptism Mary Edith in December 1993 & address as Oregon St...on there marriage certificate in 1892 he lived at Doncaster St & Annie was living at Hector St with her Mum & Dad George & Mary Moody - Then in the 1901 Edith was 7 & living with her G/mother Mary Moody no mention of her Mum & dad & then in1911she is still with Mary Moody at 17... .in 1917 on Mary Edith's marriage certificate it says her father John Henry Smith is a Timber Traveler (so he is still alive) don't know what a Timber Traveler would be ( or would it be in another country where timber was a big thing). .hope someone could enlighten me..

Best WishesWelshlady..

Some good news I have found my great grandfather (above).....Hope you are all ok and in good health....I found him with the help of the Liverpool records office he was alive in 1901 a widow living with his mother,brother,sister & cousin......at 55 St Johns Road Bootle cum Linacre, West Derby....so that why my grandmother was brought up by her gran.....just got to find out what happened to Annie now and when she died....I have been looking on the site every now and then because there are so many interesting stories on here enjoy reading them..... Welshlady...

There is a baptism on ancestry for Ann Moody (St Mary's Bootle) Father George, mother Mary, George's occupation Brick Setter. The baptism took place on 18th October 1872. The address was 13 Tudno Street Bootle.

Hi Jan Many thanks for that...she could have been called Mary Ann....her daughter was called Mary Edith..so could have had the mary after mother..???Am looking through them now & wondering shout I order a couple of death certificates?? It's the only way I can get to know if there are or not. Welshlady ...

Hi it's been a long time since I have been on this site....I was diagnosed with breast cancer in march 2016... have had an mastectomy...chemotherapy and other treatment and am here to tell the tale ( with a head of hair once again)

I found my great great grandmother Ann Smith... at last she was living in Chelsea Road Litherland in 1889 when she passed away aged 25...which I think one of you ladies did find a Ann Smith....her death was reported by her brother?? Of the same address ( maybe her husband was away)...I was lucky enough to be taken to Liverpool on the 8th November for two days to go to a couple of the address of my family that are still standing...Chelsea Road & Thornton Road Bootle....we went with a lovely black cab driver who gave us some history as well bless him...I also went to the Library by St George's....but was told I really need to go to the Crosby one ...so next year that's where I will be going...I have had quite a few family death certificates now because they give addresses where people lived ...

I no I have said this before...but I must thank you all on this site for all your information and help along the way.. Welshlady