I am not even sure if you are playing WoW or just trolling. But not much people keep doing non-current tier raids, and those who do they aren't really willing to take fully unknown people in their raids.

Oh and you can find partners for arena by using forums or smth like that, and not ask first stranger.

I never implied that you could or wouldn't, or that you even should necessarily. I was just making a point. You said you "can't raid or do arena with them" and that is simply not true. You choose to play a different way, but you certainly could if you wanted to. Also they may not be "real people on your server", but they are still "real people", not illusions. In making statements like that, you're no better than someone who says "They're not a white person like me" or something of the nature. They are real people like you, and they have as much right to spend time on your server as you have to spend time on their server, now that the technology allows for this, like it or not.

If I wanted WoW to be like real-life, I wouldn't bother playing. I like that WoW is completely different from rl, and that it serves as an escape for me.

And that's the problem. The WoW becomes more like real life, and if to be more precise - more like bad aspects of real-life.

You wanted to relax from stinking metro? Or got tired from queues while driving home on your car? You get exactly same in the game, which is CRZ. Total strangers, lags and queues for game objects.

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You said you "can't raid or do arena with them" and that is simply not true. You choose to play a different way, but you certainly could if you wanted to. Also they may not be "real people on your server", but they are still "real people", not illusions.

If you ask in crowd in real life "Hey I need business partner" or "Hey I need assistant in my office" or "Hey I need someone to go to theater with me" or something like that, you would be found insane and most likely would be isolated.

Why the onus of proof is on that court? Why should we accept without any proof we are in fact the "vocal minority"? Double standards, much?

HEHEHEHEHHHE They ARE real people, not family TV series characters. They will NOT be that nice.

You're the one who made the statement that people who share your opinion are "not the vocal minority". I simply said "prove it". I think you are, but that's just my opinion.

"They will not be that nice" - of course not! You're not that nice. You're the one who is saying that they don't belong there because they're not from your server. If you're not going to be socially nice and welcome them, why should they be nice to you?

As I said in the last statement, like it or not, the technology now exists for every player to have fair access to WoW resources, regardless of what realm they originate from. Blizzard always intended this game to be as social a game as possible, and realms only exist because there are too many players to have them all in the same server at the same time. Maybe the idea of "server" is getting more and more outdated every year, just as in rl the notion of "social class" is getting outdated. The game is slowly becoming fair and equal to all players, and that's the way it should be.

---------- Post added 2013-06-02 at 09:05 PM ----------

Originally Posted by Ferocity

And that's the problem. The WoW becomes more like real life, and if to be more precise - more like bad aspects of real-life.

You wanted to relax from stinking metro? Or got tired from queues while driving home on your car? You get exactly same in the game, which is CRZ. Total strangers, lags and queues for game objects.

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If you ask in crowd in real life "Hey I need business partner" or "Hey I need assistant in my office" or "Hey I need someone to go to theater with me" or something like that, you would be found insane and most likely would be isolated.

Once again, this is a "game" "GAAAME"! You need to think of it as such. It is not like any of those things in the game. You just need to swallow your pride and arrogance, talk and get to know people. Some people may not want to talk, some may reject you, but believe it or not, some people who play an MMO really do want to play with other people and meet new players. You'll never know unless you stop treating people from other servers as some sort of infestation that doesn't belong. You are sounding like such a bigot (forgive me if I spelt that wrong)!

Imo CRZ is the biggest improvement they have ever done to WoW. I play exclusively on pvp server and for a large part of my time in WoW these servers have been horribly inbalanced one way or the other, if not completely devoid of life all together. With CRZ you actually see other people out in the world, you get a solid bit of wpvp too. It actually feels like playing an mmo. If I didnt want to play with other people, then wtf would I be doing, playing an mmo?

I feel like the problem a lot of people have is they either were not there in vanilla, or forgott how busy some zones could be. During wotlk the world turned into an empty wasteland. Nobody was out in the world and you could camp all the rare mobs mostly alone, do all the quests in peace, etc. But that is not an mmo, thats a multiplayer-singleplayer experience. It amazes me that people actually cry about there being competition for rare mobs and pets, thats why they are rare. They are supposed to be hell to get, you are supposed to have to fight over them.

tldr: CRZ is fantastic and if you dont like people you should not play an mmo.

i was there on beta and in vanilla and in no way today crz resemble the ambiance that were played in those days. now theres what 5 + server merging in zones thats way to much. i understand what there trying to do, fill up empty server by placing them in other with out mwerging them but that makes play time way hardfer then it need to be, farming stuff and do some quest is harder now,

The difference beteween genious and stupidity... genious has its limit

Two things: First off, I didn't choose my realm technically. It was the first one in the list when I chose my server, and I think it was even highlighted by default lol. I've stayed through thick and thin because it feels like home, and I haven't really felt a deep burning desire to do something that my server didn't fascilitate to the point where I've elected to depart for greener pastures. I'm content, otherwise I'd be prepared to move servers.

Secondly, Gnomeregan is far from a high populated realm - consequently its because a rather medium-low populated server, with less raiding then I would consider ideal. That being said, I don't mind sharing our resources with our brothers from higher populated servers, because its nice to have people around. I don't believe I have some God Given right to these resources just because I stay on a non-high populated server, nor do I particularily enjoy having a whole zone all to myself. I have no problem with other players, regardless of where they come from, nor do I mind sharing the game with them. That, imo, is a healthy, selfless, proper attitude to approach a MMO. If you have a less-social attitude towards this, then that's fine, but don't expect Blizzard to cater towards that, as Blizzard, first and formost, wants WoW to be a Social MMO.

So, what you're saying is that people who want to socialize in less crowded places are wrong and should be in a place where they can't hear their own thoughts, and move a inch per minute? Because those who not "socialize" in such places are selfish.

And I have to highlight what I said to you? Because you didn't catch at the first time. Everyone is free to use MORE THAN ONE WAY to change their mind at ANY TIME, and go to a higher pop or a low pop realm.

If you "LOL let the game choose" for you, you're still entitled to change the choice using more than one resource, without having to drag an entire population down to your regret. I chose conscientiously and don't like to be forced in what someone THINK is the right way.

I may just have to Vlog on this Its funny how so many of these arguments over why CRZ should or should not exist seems a lot like the arguments about whether or not the US and Canada should let people from other parts of the world come into our country. I mean, we were born here, why should other people be allowed to come into our country, eat our food, take our jobs, and enjoy our standard of living along with us? We don't get as good of a life as we used to have if they're allowed in, as they complete for the wealth and resources of "my" country too! And damnit, why should they get my job even though they may be able to do it better with more ambition and a better attitude, or may be more qualified - I was here first! And of course, none of these people are like me, so I can't be friends with them, or socialize with them, get to know them, or ask to do things with them.

The reality is, changing servers costs money and demands other investments (especially for players who rely on multiple characters to meet their resource needs), just as in real life, its not that easy to change countries. Rolling on a server, continuing to be on a server, nor chooseing a particular server does not give us any more of a God Given right to its resources, any more than the country you happen to be born in gives you some sort of God Given right to your countries resources. It is not an excuse to be any less than you can and need to be to support your own particular playstyle or lifestyle. Life, as is the same in a Social MMO RGP like WoW, is meant to be filled with sharing, getting along with others, and social competition.

Now that the technology exists, WoW becoming a more social game with fairer and more equal access to the entire game supply of resources is a necessary step in the evolution of the game. One can argue that the CRZ still has a number of bugs, but bugs can be fixed. There is a way to make it work to its best, and Blizzard will find it. CRZ, as a concept though, belongs in WoW!

---------- Post added 2013-06-02 at 09:25 PM ----------

Originally Posted by Terminatrix

but that makes play time way hardfer then it need to be, farming stuff and do some quest is harder now,

As I said in the last statement, like it or not, the technology now exists for every player to have fair access to WoW resources, regardless of what realm they originate from.
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The game is slowly becoming fair and equal to all players, and that's the way it should be.

Fair? E.g., our AH never had Haunting Spirits available (as raiding itself is in hole on our server). Only things which are in abundance on our AH - Green Tea Leafs and Ghost Iron Ore - everything else you have to farm yourself. You can't really sell anything on AH either unless if you post it shortly before lockout reset, so you just vendor nearly everything you don't need. Some people say it is great to live in "socialism" when everyone is equal, but pigs are more equal than others (Orwell - Animal Farm), but many people would rather not.

How is it fair to have a good chunk of content being literally removed (rares, same DMF trinket, etc.) for no good reason just so everyone in the crowd would feel fair?

So how does CRZ help here? If anything it just makes it even more frustrating than "fair".

Some people may not want to talk, some may reject you, but believe it or not, some people who play an MMO really do want to play with other people and meet new players. You'll never know unless you stop treating people from other servers as some sort of infestation that doesn't belong. You are sounding like such a bigot (forgive me if I spelt that wrong)!

And... so how it is different from what I wrote? While staying in queue for First Aid quest, would it be nice idea to ask strangers there (who don't really want to talk but follow the motion of crowd - get done with this frustrating queue for NPCs as fast as possible) to become friends? Or there are /1, /2, forums, dungeons, guilds which serve this function much better?

And I have to highlight what I said to you? Because you didn't catch at the first time. Everyone is free to use MORE THAN ONE WAY to change their mind at ANY TIME, and go to a higher pop or a low pop realm.

...you seem to have forgotten to insert the fact that there's a $25 fee for ONE character transfer for that "Free choice" of yours... and that excludes friendships and guildmates you have on that server. (Sorry, REAL-ID doesn't cut it with the problems with trading, grouping, zoning and such...)

The mere idea that you're trying to lump those two ideas together (reroll or transfer) showcases that even you understand fully what the problem is, but you are upset that even you can't defend it properly without subverting and twisting words. :P

"Tell them only that the Lich King is dead... and that World of Warcraft... died with him..."

Originally Posted by BenBos

That's the ONLY reason you would post 9600 posts over 3 years: a mission of hate.

As a rare farmer (mobs,pets,mounts) I whole-heartedly agree. I don't know what it is about Blizz, but they seem to just pick whatever my favorite thing to do in WoW at the time and destroy it. In wotlk, god I love raiding, I am so happy to be able to do 10 and 25 man per my own choice a week. In Mop, well I've caught up on all raiding and factions time to get to some of that rare farming I've put aside ... Oh, I have to compete with 100 other servers for 1 TLPD now? sweet. I must really be in the minority of players for the things i like to do in WoW - and there must be a hellava lot of people that like their choices restricted when playing a video game.

The problem with that is you've been riding on what Blizzard didn't want all along but had nothing to fix it. They don't want low pop realms to have it easy with rares and other "benefits" that scarce players bring. This isn't a "decision" change, it's a "we have a somewhat doable way to now enforce our belief that all players should have the same experience regardless of realm pop" change. Being angry or annoyed at it is like filing a formal complaint to your cable company when you discover they found out about your accidental free channels and fixed them from showing. Yes, low pop realms were nice while they lasted, but the gravy train has now departed, or more accurately has departed on yet another easy station of the game.

I don't think CRZ is needed anymore. I think it's detrimental to our world in Azeroth..and Outland and where else we go. It needs to be gone if it stays the way it is.

So sayeth Aeluron who has defended CRZ for a long time. VIVO REVOLUTION

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Everyone is free to use MORE THAN ONE WAY to change their mind at ANY TIME, and go to a higher pop or a low pop realm.

Really? Really? Is it really free? I had no idea Blizzard was making it free to change servers! When did they announce this? I hadn't heard? Last I heard it costs additional money besides the subscription fee!

Blizzards old answer was - "some realms may be over or underpopulated, and this may suck for resources, but we can charge you for a server transfer so you can go elsewhere".

Blizzards new answer is "We'll adopt a new system to make resources more equal to players from all types of servers, so that unless your a raider looking for a particular raiding team, you don't need to transfer servers"

Making the game fairer rather than charging players money seems like a better solution to me.

Now that the technology exists, WoW becoming a more social game with fairer and more equal access to the entire game supply of resources is a necessary step in the evolution of the game. One can argue that the CRZ still has a number of bugs, but bugs can be fixed. There is a way to make it work to its best, and Blizzard will find it. CRZ, as a concept though, belongs in WoW![COLOR="red"]

Social? I feel like I'm under a communist dictator that demand me to live with with "my equals" because it's the way things are. I have no choice. I cn not meet the same old people again and again and "KevinBacon" that other guy that is pursuing Aeonaxx and Time-Lost. The other people is not even from my world, so he will never be a friend of a friend of a friend of a friend. I can't interact with them, except when they are competing for resources with me. Be them Quest Objectives, Battle Pets, or whatever.

It even work in the first territories, Elwynn and Mulgore still have a dynamic that allow people to group up and speed the process, but was we get close to the Dark Portal, mechanics make more people a nuisance. By the time I reach Cataclysm zones I already leave to come back later If I meet more than 4 people in my quest areas.

Fair? E.g., our AH never had Haunting Spirits available (as raiding itself is in hole on our server). Only things which are in abundance on our AH - Green Tea Leafs and Ghost Iron Ore - everything else you have to farm yourself. You can't really sell anything on AH either unless if you post it shortly before lockout reset, so you just vendor nearly everything you don't need. Some people say it is great to live in "socialism" when everyone is equal, but pigs are more equal than others (Orwell - Animal Farm), but many people would rather not.

How is it fair to have a good chunk of content being literally removed (rares, same DMF trinket, etc.) for no good reason just so everyone in the crowd would feel fair?

So how does CRZ help here? If anything it just makes it even more frustrating than "fair".

And... so how it is different from what I wrote? While staying in queue for First Aid quest, would it be nice idea to ask strangers there (who don't really want to talk but follow the motion of crowd - get done with this frustrating queue for NPCs as fast as possible) to become friends? Or there are /1, /2, forums, dungeons, guilds which serve this function much better?

You're AH is no different than any other AH's, regardless of what type of server its on. That's the point, fair and equal for everybody.

Animal House was a story trying to prove a point. The animals who rejected living with pigs are being pointed out as "Bigots". It was not created to praise such people, but to damn them. By drawing on that example, you're supporting my "case-in-point".

Blizzard has in no way removed those things you claim they have removed. They simply game you more competition to get them - you need to be a better player, to be the best you can be if you want to have the spoils. They are not meant to be easy grabs, they are meant to be rewards for those who outlast their competition. If you keep working for those things, you will still get them. Before you would only get them by default, because there was no one else on your server who wanted them. You would bare such trinkets as an Ass would bare gold. Is that what really bugs you about it? Are you such an Ass???

As for waiting your turn, whether or not you choose to talk to people is up to you. The reality is that there are 8 million players who could potentially be wanted what you want, so you have to wait your turn. Do we need another tiny fiddle player? You could talk to them if you wanted to. Myself, I would probably just wait my turn, knowing that they have as much right to the quest as I do.

You're AH is no different than any other AH's, regardless of what type of server its on. That's the point, fair and equal for everybody.

Animal House was a story trying to prove a point. The animals who rejected living with pigs are being pointed out as "Bigots". It was not created to praise such people, but to damn them. By drawing on that example, you're supporting my "case-in-point".

Blizzard has in no way removed those things you claim they have removed. They simply game you more competition to get them - you need to be a better player, to be the best you can be if you want to have the spoils. They are not meant to be easy grabs, they are meant to be rewards for those who outlast their competition. If you keep working for those things, you will still get them. Before you would only get them by default, because there was no one else on your server who wanted them. You would bare such trinkets as an Ass would bare gold. Is that what really bugs you about it? Are you such an Ass???

As for waiting your turn, whether or not you choose to talk to people is up to you. The reality is that there are 8 million players who could potentially be wanted what you want, so you have to wait your turn. Do we need another tiny fiddle player? You could talk to them if you wanted to. Myself, I would probably just wait my turn, knowing that they have as much right to the quest as I do.