Post by dalmatino on Jan 6, 2013 8:36:12 GMT -5

FRAUD

"I'm equally proud of my Serbian origin and my Croatian homeland"

Crown "evidence" that Tesla considered himself and was Serb are telegrams that he and Croatian politician Dr Vladko Macek alledgely exchanged in 1936. In first telegram send to Nikola Tesla by leader of strongest Croatian political party HSS (Croatian Peasant Party) Dr Vladko Macek on May 25th 1936, Macek allegedly wrote as follows:

"To great son of Serbian nation and Croatian homeland, leader of the mankind in struggle against the nature congratulation in the name of Croatian people"

Not a word for what his congratulations are for? It has been alleged that Macek first sent a congratulatory telegram to Tesla, possibly on the occasion of Tesla's birthday, which Tesla allegedly answered, but the problem with this is that this telegram is dated May 26th and Tesla's birthday is on July 10th.

Alternative allegation was that Macek congratulated Tesla on some of his latest great inventions, but latest Tesla patented invention was from year 1928 eight years earlier. Pretty late congratulation isn't it? By the time of this alleged telegrams Tesla was 80 years old and his fertile inventions and science day were long gone. He lived the last ten years (1933-1943) of his life in a two-room suite on the 33rd floor of the hotel New Yorker, room 3327. There, near the end of his life, Tesla showed signs of encroaching mental illness, claiming to be visited by a specific white pigeon daily. Several biographers note that Tesla viewed the death of the pigeon as a "final blow" to himself and his work.

Also in that year Tesla didn’t receive any award or any other important sign of recognition for his work. So why the hell did Macek congratulate Tesla exactly then? That was never explained.

Also, one might ask, where is the alleged telegram that Macek sent to Tesla? We only have this "photo" but the original was never shown publicly, if it actually even EXISTS.

Second interesting question was why Tesla never ever mentioned such a telegram during his life. Dr Macek also never said or wrote a word about these telegrams, not even in his biography published in 1956.

In fact these alleged telegrams were "discovered" only after bots participants, Tesla and Macek were dead and could not either confirm authenticity of these telegrams.

And it is however very interesting that supposed Macek's telegram has some missing parts. For instance there is no stamp imprint that this alleged telegram was ever received, and also it is not signed by anybody while RCA radiograms from that time (like all received telegrams) had to be signed by receiver. Yet this is not the case with alleged Macek's radiogram to Tesla. Here are two pictures to compare authentic RCA radiogram from that time and this quite obvious forgery. Because alleged Macek's radiogram was obviously never received.

Tesla allegedly answered next day, may 26th 1936. And he "wrote" famous words which are taken for granted and repeated like mantra in which nobody dares to doubt:

"I'm equally proud of my Serbian origin and my Croatian homeland. Long live all Yugoslavs."

These words become dogma which served as the ultimate evidence that Nikola Tesla was Serb.

Yet there are many interesting questions about this "telegram" allegedly sent from Nikola Tesla to Vlatko Macek in 1936 which leads us to conclusion that it is just a simple fake because it does not have the distinguishing characteristics of a received telegram. Below is how a 1936 Western Union telegram looks. The example has been chosen randomly from a website about telegram history (rife.org )

In the textbox at top left of authentic telegram it states, "Class of Service. This is a full-rate Telegram or Cablegram unless its deferred character is indicated by a suitable symbol above or preceding the address." In textbox at top right of authentic telegram, sent and received, an explanation of the symbols used in the message appears.(see below, 1st image) Note, as part of the body of the message a symbolic code appears, the originating address, the class of service and time. There are no lines on this form.

The above document (see above, 2nd image) which contains an alleged message by Nikola Tesla is an APPLICATION TO SEND A TELEGRAM, not a telegram. The alleged message in ticker tape, including telegraphic equal symbols, has been glued onto an Application form in order to make it appear as an authentic telegram, but missing are the symbols which refer to the location and origin of the sender. In textbox at top left of Application form the sender is instructed to indicate how he wants the telegram or cable to be sent by listing classes of service, for example, Day Letter, Night Letter, etc. In textbox at top right of Application form details about payment appear. Above the message it states, "Send the following message, subject to the terms on back hereof, which are hereby agreed to." At bottom of Application it states, "Senders address for reference. The quickest, surest and safest way to send money is by telegraph or cable. Sender's telephone number."

Telegram Applications would normally be in handwriting or typewritten on the lines provided, and applicants would not use ticker tape which blocks out those lines, nor would applicants use the equals sign (=). In the case of this document there is no distinguishing symbol as to the origin of the alleged telegram, no registration symbol showing from where it was sent or which Class of Service, and at what time. The only mark on the telegram is a Nikola Tesla Museum stamp (this particular museum is in Belgrade, which has handed it to the NY Tesla Society for use). The alleged telegram addressed to Macek in Zagreb was not received in Zagreb because it would appear on an official Yugoslav header with Latin and Cyrillic writing on the top, and not on a Western Union form. There is no way to verify where the message came from.

All that can be seen better on these pictures.

**Tesla's alleged Western Union telegram sent to Dr Vlatko Macek on May 26th 1936. addressed, very interestingly, only with Dr Vlatko Macek, Zagreb, Yugoslavia

Everyone who looks at these telegrams will notice that they all have same elements. All but one, the alleged Tesla telegram. It is more than obvious that this "telegram" is forgery probably created by Savo Kosanovic, Tesla's nephew, high ranking Yugoslav communist official and self-proclaimed main "interpreter" of Tesla's thoughts and supplier of "unknown documents" from Tesla's life.

But why should anybody want to falsify such documents? First of all Tesla's worldwide glory was ideal for spreading communist propaganda. And phrase "Serbian origins and Croatian homeland" of "Greatest son of our people (beside Tito himself, of course)" was absolutely in accordance with basic communist policy called "bratstvo i jedinstvo naroda i narodnosti" (Brotherhood and unity of our nation and ethnic minorities) which was in very foundation of Tito's policy. Combination of Serbian organs and Croatian homeland was ideal to seal forced "brotherhood" between the two largest ex-Yu nations in Croats and Serbs.

And off course, convenient circumstance was that this "telegrams" clearly claimed that most famous "Yugoslavian" beside Tito, was none the less a Serb after all. Naturally, this historical forgery was repeated millions of times in every possible occasion so most of people have accepted it as a truth. Serbs got one of greatest scientific minds and Croats also get some leftovers, comforting price - shallow "my Croatian homeland" phrase. Only difference is that it is absolutely without any doubt that Croatia actually was his homeland where he and his forefathers were born (although he didn't care about it at all), while there are very strong arguments that ethnically he wasn't of Serb origins (for which he didn't care either).

I wrote so much about this alleged telegrams only because they are taken as by far most important piece of evidence that Nikola Tesla was ethnic Serb and that he considered himself a Serb patriot, what is very doubtful and absolutely unproven until now. And that is why forgeries like this were needed. Simply to enforce one shameful historic lie.

It was held in Anglican cathedral of St. John the Divine, while Tesla's coffin was wrapped in American and Yugoslavian (there was not one Serbian flag around) flags. Prior to the ceremony, New York mayor of Italian descent Fiorello La Guardia read out on the radio a speech about "Great American - Nikola Tesla" written by american writer of Slovenian descent and Tesla's good friend Louis Adamic. During that time, in background, another Tesla's friend famous Croatian violinist Zlatko Balokovic was playing "Ave Maria" and not the ALLEGED Serbian song "Tamo daleko". In his message American vice president Wallace wrote about "Nikola Tesla - Yugoslav born". Chief mourner was Sava Kosanovic, Tesla's nephew and high ranking official of socialist Yugoslavia. There was only Socialist Yugoslav delegation present, but none represents of Serbian community from either Serbia, either USA. Btw, although there was Serbian orthodox church in New York and other mayor US cities, commemoration was held as I wrote in anglican cathedral without any orthodox priests being present. Quite unexpecting for such a great "sworn Serb" and son of "serbian orthodox priest" isn't it?

FRAUD"Ethnic Origins"The main argument for this claim is that he was son of orthodox priest in his village. Serbs say that Tesla's father was priest of Serbian Orthodox Church which is first in long sequence of lies, half-truths and disinformation’s about his ethnic origins. Namely in time when Nikola Tesla was born (1856), same as never before that there were no autocephalous Serbian orthodox church which was founded as autocephalous nation-based church only in 1920th. Nikola's father Milutin was however as priest under jurisdiction of Patriarchate of Karlovci - which included a large territory that stretched from Adriatic sea to Bukovina and from Danube and Sava to Upper Hungary. The Patriarchate had a jurisdiction over Orthodox Serbs, Romanians, Greeks, orthodox Croats and Cincars that lived in the Habsburg Monarchy. So it was one large multi ethnic Patriarchate based on common affiliation to one large Empire. Until 1918, many of territories, that later fell under jurisdiction of Serb Orthodox Church, belonged to eparchy of Dalmatia-Bukovina and were directly under the Patriarch of Constantinople.

Even its seat small town of Srijemski Karlovci came under Serbian power only after forming of common South Slavic state in 1918th. Before that province of Srijem was a part of kingdom of Croatia (which was part of Hungarian Croatian kingdom and later Habsburg Monarchy) or so called Military Krajina but never before 1918 it wasn't under of any kind of Serbian jurisdiction.

But all this historical facts didn't stopped Serbs to claim this multiethnic Patriarchy as exclusively "Serbian" and all orthodox believers in western Balkans as "Serbs".

The reason why I wrote so much about Orthodox Church organisation was because Serbian orthodox priests and later church have had key role in enforced serbianisation of all orthodox believers in this part of Europe regardless of their ethnic origins. In accordance with Vuk Karadzic’s chauvinistic motto "Srbi, svi i svuda" (Serbs everyone and everywhere) and Ilija Garasanin's "greater serbia" imperial political programme "Nacertanie" (roughly "Scheme") Serbian priests which always had support from Turkish sultans same as Austrian emperors managed to convert all Western Balkans orthodox believers which are now considering themselves Serbs although most of them don't in fact have Serbian ethnic origins (Valachians, Greeks, Cincars, orthodox Croats etc).

It seems that family of Nikola Tesla were also part of this serbisied Valachian ethnic corpus, namely of Istro-Romanian origins.

THE TRUTH“Isro-Romanian ancestry”Nicolae Teslea is the descendant of people of Vlah/ Romanian or Istro-Romanian origin.

His father was Milutin Teslea. The family of the father was formerly Draghici, a common Romanian name.

His mother was called Gica Mandici. Gica is a short form of Georgica, a Romanian name.

His sisters were:

Anghelina

Milica

Marita

Milica (pronounced Milika) is a short form of Romanian Emilia.

Marita is a form of Maria also found in other Balkanic languages but more commonly with the Romanian.

Post by lokii on Jan 6, 2013 16:41:19 GMT -5

Oh my god you have nailed them Dalmatino, I can clearly now see that Tesla was ?.Wow such stupidity.Your post and the links do not suggest nor prove what you have written as the title of this thread. Below is a quote from one of your nationalistic leaders Stjepan Mesic who said,"I am happy that we are here today to celebrate Tesla, a Serb, a son of Croatia and a citizen of the world," President Mesic said at a ceremony close to the house where the inventor was born"

Post by dalmatino on Jan 6, 2013 17:36:50 GMT -5

Oh my god you have nailed them Dalmatino, I can clearly now see that Tesla was ?.Wow such stupidity.Your post and the links do not suggest nor prove what you have written as the title of this thread. Below is a quote from one of your nationalistic leaders Stjepan Mesic who said,"I am happy that we are here today to celebrate Tesla, a Serb, a son of Croatia and a citizen of the world," President Mesic said at a ceremony close to the house where the inventor was born"

Was he not born in a village that was in Austro Hungaria ?

The above claims form the entire basis on determining his ethnicity. No other evidence exists as such and the obvious forgeries, lies and half-truths speak for themself.

Austro-Hungary? ummmm yeah, many have great grandfathers that were born in the Ottoman Empire. Mine was born in Croatia under Austro-Hungarian rule, where was yours lokki?

Post by Novus Dis on Jan 7, 2013 4:37:20 GMT -5

First of all, Tesla was born in Austria. Secondly, he was born in the Serb majority area of Slavonia. Thirdly, his father was an Serb Orthodox Christian priest. I wonder what his reaction would've been if he knew what Croats were doing to Serbs around the time of his death. Croats, like Shqiptars, should never ever criticise others or pretend they stand on a moral highground. Croats are depraved and hypocritical, even by Catholic standards.

An anti-Serb is an anti-Serb no matter what its ethnicity, religion, ideology or allegiance is.
"Croats are the bravest people in the world, not because they are fearless, but because they are shameless."

Post by dalmatino on Jan 7, 2013 5:55:58 GMT -5

First of all, Tesla was born in Austria. Secondly, he was born in the Serb majority area of Slavonia. Thirdly, his father was an Serb Orthodox Christian priest. I wonder what his reaction would've been if he knew what Croats were doing to Serbs around the time of his death. Croats, like Shqiptars, should never ever criticise others or pretend they stand on a moral highground. Croats are depraved and hypocritical, even by Catholic standards.

First of all Tesla was born in Croatia which was under Austro-Hungarian rule, if Croatia did not exist then neither did Serbia but instead the Ottoman Empire. Secondly he was born in a region of Croatia populated by Orthodox Serbs, Romanians, Greeks, orthodox Croats and Cincars.Lastly, he would have felt the same about Serbs as he would have for Croats alike, be it the majority of the Croatian population's support for the Croat created Partisan resistance or the Croats and Serbs subjected to the nazi collaborating chetnik and Ustase terror on the population.

Enough of the cry me a ustasa river sermons please, something on the irrefutable evidence at hand regarding the forgeries, his 'non-serbian orthodox burial', or the false serbian orthodox church links to his father?

Post by dusko1 on Jan 8, 2013 0:52:53 GMT -5

Here's a quote from Nikola Tesla himself:

Hardly is there a nation which has met with a sadder fate than the Serbians. From the height of its splendor, when the empire embraced almost the entire northern part of the Balkan peninsula and a large portion of what is now Austria, the Serbian nation was plunged into abject slavery, after the fateful battle of 1389 at the Kosovo Polje, against the overwhelming Asian hordes. Europe can never repay the great debt it owes to the Serbians for checking, by the sacrifice of its own liberty, that barbarian influx.”Nikola Tesla

Post by Shqipni13 on Jan 8, 2013 2:03:39 GMT -5

I will admit this. If Tesla were some sick serial killer most non Serbs would be trying to prove he is Serb. Let it go people. He was Serb, whether it be through assimilation or not shouldn't matter. Not saying the Serbs are better by any means but we shouldn't play their games. This just reminds me of dips**ts saying Mother Theresa wasn't Albanian.

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