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Supreme [H]ardness

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How much cash ya got?

"It's safe to presume that any possible bezel-free TV would be expensive. Samsung developed the necessary chip with 8K in mind, and the combination of an exotic design with a large panel could make even 'ordinary' 8K TVs seem like bargains. Much like other flagship TVs of years past, you might be paying as much for bragging rights as you are for the underlying technology."

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I don't understand the hate of bezels.

I mean, sure, by all means, make them small or make them go away, but unless you are doing a multi-monitor setup, or are EXTREMELY space limited, I'd think that you give up more than you gain by going ultra-thin and bezel free.

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I don't think OLED is ready yet. It's still too costly, and has image retention concerns.

OLED is probably the best money can buy for TV viewing today, if you have and want to spend the money. My old Panasonic Plasma is still soldiering on in my HTPC setup though. I want to upgrade that to an OLED at some point, but not quite yet. Maybe in a few years.

Supreme [H]ardness

I don't think OLED is ready yet. It's still too costly, and has image retention concerns.

OLED is probably the best money can buy for TV viewing today, if you have and want to spend the money. My old Panasonic Plasma is still soldiering on in my HTPC setup though. I want to upgrade that to an OLED at some point, but not quite yet. Maybe in a few years.

[H]ard|Gawd

I don't think OLED is ready yet. It's still too costly, and has image retention concerns.

OLED is probably the best money can buy for TV viewing today, if you have and want to spend the money. My old Panasonic Plasma is still soldiering on in my HTPC setup though. I want to upgrade that to an OLED at some point, but not quite yet. Maybe in a few years.

Gawd

Only thing I hate about bezels on TVs is that they are almost always black gloss, which is an idiotic design choice since having a shiny jet-back surface is bad for perceived contrast on anything other than an OLED screen. IPS and VA panels are best off with a matted dark-grey finish, but we can't have that, because that would actually make sense.

I Complain about Everything

Only thing I hate about bezels on TVs is that they are almost always black gloss, which is an idiotic design choice since having a shiny jet-back surface is bad for perceived contrast on anything other than an OLED screen. IPS and VA panels are best off with a matted dark-grey finish, but we can't have that, because that would actually make sense.

I can see that in theory. Looking at my monitoris infront of me, they are all matte black. My Panasoinc Plasma has shiny bezels though, but in practice it has never bothered me. Not sure why. Maybe in my setup I just don't have a problem with reflection?

Gawd

I can see that in theory. Looking at my monitoris infront of me, they are all matte black. My Panasoinc Plasma has shiny bezels though, but in practice it has never bothered me. Not sure why. Maybe in my setup I just don't have a problem with reflection?

It's not so much about reflections as much as it is to do with the fact that when you have a bezel that is a deeper black than what the panel can produce, it makes it look worse in terms of perceived contrast. Reflections from the panel lighting itself can also play a part depending on the proximity of the display to a wall or other surface, but that's usually not a big deal unless you have your screen wedged way into the back of an AV cabinet or something.

This is definitely one of those things that most people wouldn't care about, but for those who do, once you've taken note of it, it's kinda difficult to overlook. At least it's something that really isn't much of a concern anymore with bezels getting slimmer and slimmer on large displays, but for smaller units like those that you'd consider for a bedroom or some other auxiliary purpose, they still tend to suck.

Gawd

I don't think OLED is ready yet. It's still too costly, and has image retention concerns.

OLED is probably the best money can buy for TV viewing today, if you have and want to spend the money. My old Panasonic Plasma is still soldiering on in my HTPC setup though. I want to upgrade that to an OLED at some point, but not quite yet. Maybe in a few years.

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I have a 55" Vizio and it has a shinny black bezel. If it's night and a room lamp is turned on it does reflect off the bezel but then it does the same off the screen as well. I'll wager that it will do the same to some extent if the finish on the bezel was matte.

That being said, if manufacturing a matte bezel cost the same as a shinny one I fail to see why MFG's don't just switch over to a matte finish

Nothing wrong will h Sony. They still make great TVs just not for the cost. Their OLEDs while use LG panels have superior image processing. They just lack HDMI 2.1 and the damn price. The LG can be had for half the price. I have a 65"and c9 and can't be any happier with it.

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I mean, sure, by all means, make them small or make them go away, but unless you are doing a multi-monitor setup, or are EXTREMELY space limited, I'd think that you give up more than you gain by going ultra-thin and bezel free.

I actually dislike the lack of bezels. Because when you have to carry it and move it around where the hell do you put your fingers so you do not put too much pressure on the panel? It makes me anxious.

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I like bezels. I like having something to grab onto when I need to move it. I like having something there holding the damn screen together and I like having something there giving structural reinforcement. And that's just for TVs and monitors.

I even like bezels on my phone. At the top it's a wonderful place to put things like cameras, speakers and status lights. On the bottom it's a great place to put microphones and physical buttons. I even like small bezels on the sides, especially if there's a small raised lip all the way around. It's a great way to help protect the screen and hold onto the phone without accidentally activating the touch screen.

2[H]4U

I like bezels. I like having something to grab onto when I need to move it. I like having something there holding the damn screen together and I like having something there giving structural reinforcement. And that's just for TVs and monitors.

I even like bezels on my phone. At the top it's a wonderful place to put things like cameras, speakers and status lights. On the bottom it's a great place to put microphones and physical buttons. I even like small bezels on the sides, especially if there's a small raised lip all the way around. It's a great way to help protect the screen and hold onto the phone without accidentally activating the touch screen.

Oh don't get me started on those curved phones. Not only did they get rid of bezels they go their way to make sure your touch something by bending the screen to be as close to your fingertips as possible.

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I don't think OLED is ready yet. It's still too costly, and has image retention concerns.

OLED is probably the best money can buy for TV viewing today, if you have and want to spend the money. My old Panasonic Plasma is still soldiering on in my HTPC setup though. I want to upgrade that to an OLED at some point, but not quite yet. Maybe in a few years.

Did you see Rting's youtube vid where they did burn-in tests on LG's C7 (2017 models) OLEDs from last year? They ran them for 20/7 for over a year (simulating several years of real-world use) and the only time they saw any burn in was when the TV was left on CNN the whole time and the CNN logo and a person's silhouette in the middle of the screen. They had multiple identical TVs running different types of content like games with static HUD elements (CoD, FIFA, etc.) and there was only slight burn-in on FIFA that could only be detected by looking at test patterns.

Seemed good enough for me, so I pulled the trigger on a 65" B9 for sale over BF that was $1699 tax free. If it lasts be 8+ years at least before I see any burn-in, I'll be happy with that and will replace it as my primary TV at that point anyways and will relocate this one where I won't care about whatever potential burn-in in may have. But as insinuated by Rtings there too; there's evidence that the current OLEDs will be even more resistant than the 2017 models in that test.

Was it an LG? The cheapest LG OLED I saw over BF was the B9 I got for $1699 tax free from Aafes (I'm former military and work on a military installation). They have the C9 on sale too still for $1999, but I don't care to pay $300 more for a bit more HDR brightness (that's pretty much the only noticeable difference between the B9 and C9). But I specifically wanted an LG OLED for HDMI 2.1 and VRR/G-Sync/Freesync for future gaming consoles that should take advantage of it and also my PC if I want to hook it up at some point. Other OLED TVs (Panasonic, Hisense) I've seen don't support that.

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I prefer some bezel, gives a hand hold for those times you need to move the thing. The 3/4" bezel my current one has is plenty. The largest non-smart Samsung that would fit in the entertainment center I had at the time that was built during the era of CRT TVs.

2[H]4U

I actually dislike the lack of bezels. Because when you have to carry it and move it around where the hell do you put your fingers so you do not put too much pressure on the panel? It makes me anxious.

2[H]4U

Did you see Rting's youtube vid where they did burn-in tests on LG's C7 (2017 models) OLEDs from last year? They ran them for 20/7 for over a year (simulating several years of real-world use) and the only time they saw any burn in was when the TV was left on CNN the whole time and the CNN logo and a person's silhouette in the middle of the screen. They had multiple identical TVs running different types of content like games with static HUD elements (CoD, FIFA, etc.) and there was only slight burn-in on FIFA that could only be detected by looking at test patterns.

Seemed good enough for me, so I pulled the trigger on a 65" B9 for sale over BF that was $1699 tax free. If it lasts be 8+ years at least before I see any burn-in, I'll be happy with that and will replace it as my primary TV at that point anyways and will relocate this one where I won't care about whatever potential burn-in in may have. But as insinuated by Rtings there too; there's evidence that the current OLEDs will be even more resistant than the 2017 models in that test.

Was it an LG? The cheapest LG OLED I saw over BF was the B9 I got for $1699 tax free from Aafes (I'm former military and work on a military installation). They have the C9 on sale too still for $1999, but I don't care to pay $300 more for a bit more HDR brightness (that's pretty much the only noticeable difference between the B9 and C9). But I specifically wanted an LG OLED for HDMI 2.1 and VRR/G-Sync/Freesync for future gaming consoles that should take advantage of it and also my PC if I want to hook it up at some point. Other OLED TVs (Panasonic, Hisense) I've seen don't support that.

My parents have a 720p Panasonic (I think) Plasma from 2005 or so and it has some pretty bad burn-in from news banners at the bottom it looks like. Hows yours holding up?

Supreme [H]ardness

I like bezels. I like having something to grab onto when I need to move it. I like having something there holding the damn screen together and I like having something there giving structural reinforcement. And that's just for TVs and monitors.

I even like bezels on my phone. At the top it's a wonderful place to put things like cameras, speakers and status lights. On the bottom it's a great place to put microphones and physical buttons. I even like small bezels on the sides, especially if there's a small raised lip all the way around. It's a great way to help protect the screen and hold onto the phone without accidentally activating the touch screen.

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Everyone talking about bezels and OLED and I'm just sitting here thinking "Where can I find a new quality TV without all the unnecessary hardware and software? I've got PCs and boxes for that other stuff...". Seriously, what's the point of most of it when the average user will hook it up to a cable box that has most of that stuff per-installed? (when I set up my parents new cable box it had everything available from basic cable to popular streaming services like netflix, prime tv, hulu, youtube, even some obscure ones I've never heard of)

Hell, I don't think I know anyone who uses the stuff that comes on their TVs. they all use the cable box provided, a HTPC/PC/laptop, or custom box...

[H]ard|Gawd

Everyone talking about bezels and OLED and I'm just sitting here thinking "Where can I find a new quality TV without all the unnecessary hardware and software? I've got PCs and boxes for that other stuff...". Seriously, what's the point of most of it when the average user will hook it up to a cable box that has most of that stuff per-installed? (when I set up my parents new cable box it had everything available from basic cable to popular streaming services like netflix, prime tv, hulu, youtube, even some obscure ones I've never heard of)

Hell, I don't think I know anyone who uses the stuff that comes on their TVs. they all use the cable box provided, a HTPC/PC/laptop, or custom box...

I used to be like that, but a lot of streaming services don't support the highest resolution, surround sound, etc on PC.

Now I only use the apps on the TV. I don't have cable, I use a bunch of streaming services and they all have apps on the TV. I have a bunch of movies on my PC that I simply file share to the TV through an app on the TV. The TV can use all these apps to play video at their native refresh rates so you don't get any stutter from frame rate mismatch, you get 4k HDR and surround sound, the TV can have it's picture mode set per app, etc.

The only thing I have hooked up is a PC that I only use for gaming.

Most people I know only use the Apps on the TV because it's easier and they don't need to buy anything extra. I do it because it provides the best picture and sound quality.

Gawd

Everyone talking about bezels and OLED and I'm just sitting here thinking "Where can I find a new quality TV without all the unnecessary hardware and software? I've got PCs and boxes for that other stuff...". Seriously, what's the point of most of it when the average user will hook it up to a cable box that has most of that stuff per-installed? (when I set up my parents new cable box it had everything available from basic cable to popular streaming services like netflix, prime tv, hulu, youtube, even some obscure ones I've never heard of)

Hell, I don't think I know anyone who uses the stuff that comes on their TVs. they all use the cable box provided, a HTPC/PC/laptop, or custom box...

[H]ard|Gawd

I used to be like that, but a lot of streaming services don't support the highest resolution, surround sound, etc on PC.

Now I only use the apps on the TV. I don't have cable, I use a bunch of streaming services and they all have apps on the TV. I have a bunch of movies on my PC that I simply file share to the TV through an app on the TV. The TV can use all these apps to play video at their native refresh rates so you don't get any stutter from frame rate mismatch, you get 4k HDR and surround sound, the TV can have it's picture mode set per app, etc.

The only thing I have hooked up is a PC that I only use for gaming.

Most people I know only use the Apps on the TV because it's easier and they don't need to buy anything extra. I do it because it provides the best picture and sound quality.

What do you connect your TV to? I don't use a Pfsense box or custom firewall, so kind of weary of direct-connecting anything to the router w/o customizable security (really should quit sitting on setting up pfsense).

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What do you connect your TV to? I don't use a Pfsense box or custom firewall, so kind of weary of direct-connecting anything to the router w/o customizable security (really should quit sitting on setting up pfsense).

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Sounds like the problem is some people with ADHD or other problem can't stop the Bezel from distracting them. Ok. You're now going to be distracted by the edge of the screen floating in space off of the wall.