The RED DAWN Remake's Chinese Badguys Are Being Koreanized!!

When John Milius made RED DAWN back in 1984, he showed us an America occupied by dastardly Soviet forces.

Dan Bradley's current remake of the film, however, has shifted the picture's focus to a Chinese invasion (a vaguely reasonable move given that the Soviets are no longer the "villains" du jour).

Well, whether or not China ever could, or would, think to overrun the United States has now been rendered irrelevant - because the invading forces in the Dan Bradley-directed rehash are being transformed into Koreans via digital trickery and other slight-of-hand tweaks.

...potential distributors are nervous about becoming associated with the finished film, concerned that doing so would harm their ability to do business with the rising Asian superpower, one of the fastest-growing and potentially most lucrative markets for American movies, not to mention other U.S. products.

As a result, the filmmakers now are digitally erasing Chinese flags and military symbols from "Red Dawn," substituting dialogue and altering the film to depict much of the invading force as being from North Korea, an isolated country where American media companies have no dollars at stake.

The Aussie flick TOMORROW: WHEN THE WAR BEGAN did it the right way.... instead of choosing a single country or people, the invading force was never tied to a country... they were kind of faceless, Assault on Precinct 13 style. Does it really matter where they are from in the context of a RED DAWN movie?

Is it that difficult for screenwriters to come up with their own stuff? I mean, they ignore the basic premise of the source material more often than not, why not just start fresh? How many more crappy remakes are we going to have to endure?

If they aren't re-shooting all the dialogue with the Chinese characters but simple re-dubbing certain words, this will be a farce of phenomenal proportions. And Chinese people don't look like Koreans, but an American audience probably won't notice.

Flip the script to reflect the reality -- have it be about a bunch of teenagers in Iraq and/or Afghanistan fighting the invading Americans.
Or, hey, if that's too touchy and current events-y, go back to the Vietnam War -- have it be about a bunch of Vietnamese teenagers fighting the invading Americans.
Isn't it weird how terrified Americans are of invasions when they're the only ones doing the invading? Ironic!

"the invading forces...are being transformed into Koreans via digital trickery"
...my first thought was that they were gonna try to alter the facial features of the Chinese actors to make them look Korean.
Then I realized that few Americans are observant enough to recognize the differences between Chinese/Korean/Japanese/etc. ethnicities anyway.

There is absolutely no way in hell that Korea, China or any other nation would be able to deliver troops onto US soil without being noticed or intercepted. And even if the US couldn't intercept all incoming troops, the population would know what was going on before any troops set foot on US soil. I really hope they have some plausible method of inserting the invaders because Russian paratroopers just wouldn't get that far with modern technology. And to think that North Korea would be able to consolidate enough resources to transport an invading force onto US soil is laughable at best.
I'll be in my bunk.

When Wisconsin teachers have finally had enough of Republicans just doing whatever they fucking want they revolt against local government. The National Guard is sent in and it is up to Mrs. Schmidt, the home economics teacher and Mr. Anklegrabber, the Theater teacher to set things right.
The movie ends quickly because the rebels are underfunded and the Unions roll over and they don't want to fight during summer vacation.

Two reasons: 1) market tested viability - the studios see any large money investment as a risk, and therefore an established property is a lesser risk... it shows no balls or imagination, but it's the calculations they make toward their all important bottom line.
2) limiting legal liability - with the thousands of writers out there cold-emailing scripts to studios (against their unsolicited material policies), the internet opening up exponentially more avenues for creative expression, etc.... an established property removes the worry that someone in the middle of Idaho wrote their movie already (or something similar enough to bring to court) without the studios knowing, and will sue down the road.
It's cynical, it sucks - but it's all about the bottom line and legality.

Not only is this incredibly stupid (as if North Korea could even have the numerical forces necessary to invade much less hold any portion of so much larger a country like America in terms of land mass), but it's very cowardly too.
I like the idea of it being a nationless invader. Ya know what? THIS is where Cobra could be used. If G.I. Joe ever got a movie made (that crap of 2009 doesn't count), Red Dawn could be a good template for a Cobra-staged invasion. That would be believable, since they could launch their attack from inside the country, a domestic enemy that really isn't.
But will G.I. Joe and Cobra EVER get a fair treatment on the silver screen? No. Because the people in charge of that franchise are total tards and turds.

"I really hope they have some plausible method of inserting the invaders.."
So Korea gets a bunch of money together. They pay off a bunch of politicians and our own military turns around and just starts shooting us in the balls.
Does that sound plausible?
No?
NO?

Making a movie about a fictional, present-day war with a nonfictional country is dumb. Especially if the movie caters to dumb people. We need less militaristic, nationalistic propaganda, not more of it. Relations with North Korea need real analysis & change, not exploitation in a piece of shit Hollywood remake that'll earn a few more million for whatever piece of shit studio puts it out.

When the Soviet Union existed, you could actually shut your brain down enough to imagine this as plausible. But now? This is about as relevant as having a force of Zeppelins attack.
Having it be China invading was already stupid. Having it be North Korea? Even Michael Bay would find that too implausible.

Still, why the fuck is this movie even being made? Is America's aggro white manhood so wounded by 9/11 and the election of a sophisticated black president with a Muslim name that it needs its Patriot missile stroked a little more by an unthinking moviegoing populace?
"Oh, it's okay, baby. It's plenty big for me. Now, now, don't cry. You'll get those no-good commie bad guys for sure this time."

Korea? Yeah, that's plausible. I'm frightened by the thought of it. I have no interest in seeing a film made by a director who bends over for the marketing department. The guy is a fucking stunt coordinator. This remake is going to suck, but it should have some really great stunts

No one fears North Korea and their 4 ft tall dictator.
We would fear China simply because there are BILLIONS of them...they are still violently communist...and something like the American protection of Taiwan could provoke hostilities.
If the studio goes through with this ridiculous move, I think that the film will flop.

They don't have enough fucking fuel or food to conquer South Korea, and they're going to mount an amphibious invasion across the Pacific?! Are they going to conquer any islands along the way to aid in logistical support? Like we did against the Japanese?
They're going to invade a country of over 300 million with an army of 2 million and somehow resupply it? Let's not forget, this army is mostly out of date with '60's era tanks and MiGs.
The original Red Dawn was stretching the limits of suspension of disbelief, but this takes the fucking cake.
Fuck you Hollywood, you coke-addled corporate fuckwits.

I knew from the beginning the Chinese invasion idea was going to be risky, and it seems like Hollywood has caved in. Despite the change to Koreans, hopefully we can still imagine that the invaders were meant to be Chinese.
Look, America is in rough shape right now. We're swamped in debt we owe to the Chinese, we're afraid to stand up against true evil in this world (i.e. Libya), and so it's almost plausible to imagine that the Chinese could invade, given we continue to go down this path for a few more years.
This movie could be a great cautionary tale for all of us. Who cares if you see it as "right-wing?" I say go balls to the wall and let's have a real debate about whether we really are a "nation in decline," and what that means for the well-being of the world.

How did you get interested in that type of thing? Should we all be racist now? What’s the official line the church is takin' on this? Only the farm takes up most of the day and at night I just like a cup of tea. I mightn't be able to devote myself full-time to the aul' racism.

I stand corrected on my figures...
They can have the second highest troop total, but they're not bringing all 9.5 million over here. It's logistically impossible. They simply don't have the resources. Plus, they have to defend themselves at home from the mother of all US airstrikes, South Korea, and China. No fucking way. They lack the fuel to take the Korean Peninsula.

You'll ever hear a negative comment even whispered about Israel, in fact the news is spun to always make them look like the sunny side of the middle east. Why? Because of the grip they have on business in America. Now China has earned a "don't touch" pass for the same reason.

"If 2 million North Koreans SOMEHOW made it to America....."
we would all be able to get $5 mani/pedi's due to a saturation of the nail salon market.
THE_CHOPPAH likes to keep his coke pinky in tip top shape so........
BRING EM ON!

Hollywood and anyone else who thinks that movies have any impact on the real world are delusional at best.
They are worried a fictional portrayal of Communist China invading America would some how offend the Communist Chinese.
I can see it now, Steve Jobs going to a meeting in China with a new vendor to produce the newest iGadget. The President of said vendor, won't meet or produce this said iGadget because of the offense rendered by the release of the remake of Red Dawn.
Come on, yeah they will not take our money because of THIS fucking movie.

So, the Mormons don't have a grip on business in America? What about the WASPs?
And how the fuck is the news outside of Fox spun to make Israel look like the sunny side of the Mideast? My biggest impression of Israel from the media is of a belligerent, bullying nation sacrificing whatever sense of democracy or justice it had in favor of paranoia and vengeance.

What a STUPID thing to say. There were plenty of blacks, whites, asians and latin americans who were murdered on 9/11 too -- by people with radical "Islamic" motivations (and names). Our response wasn't motivated by "race" -- but by the deaths of innocent civilians on planes and in buildings.
BTW: Our President is NOT a Muslim....and his Islamic name is the LEAST of his worries.
More than two years into Barrack Obama's presidency, the nation is still in a quagmire. Unemployment remains near 10% (when he promised shortly after his inauguration that it wouldn't go above 8% if Congress passed his stimulus bailouts). Now, we are deeply concerned with inflation of gas, food and building resources. In addition, there is mass instability in the Middle East. The prestige of the US is fading fast under his administration...and I think that he truly wants to see the United States as "just another sensible country."
When you think about it, Hollywood is about the only group that still listens to the President. Something tells me that the studio was prompted to change the premise at the bequest of the Chinese -- who have imprisoned more than 22 Million dissidents for simply disagreeing with the government or for holding religious views. All the while, the people of China work tirelessly for their government as they manufacture our products (like Nikes, iPods, televisions and other US-designed products).
Then again, I suppose that the trial lawyers and rainbow folks have their ears attuned to his meaningless tripe too. Or is it the other way around?
Still, it is a ridiculous thing for you to insinuate that RACE played a role in 9/11 or our response to it. As a black man, I don't lose sleep when Kenya loses a match in the World Cup. Why? I am an AMERICAN...and I think that we should transcend "race" when we realize our nationality.
But, it would suck if Hollywood caved in to any suggestions from the Obama Administration or corrupt Communist-Chinese government.

American movies make a shit ton overseas. The corporate fuckwits don't want to undermine sales in the second largest (black)market in the world.
If you want to know why movies have no depth and are just michael bay jerk off explosion sessions, this is why. People from other cultures may not care about a suburban kid's moral struggles in modern America, foreigners wants to see the kid run from a giant robot, because running from giant robots is a universal language.
There's a very good article on cracked.com that goes in depth on this.
Plus, Hollywood is full of a lot liberal fucktards, and they hate it when you attack communists--their ideological brethren. Look how pissy everyone got when the bad guys in Indy 4 were Soviets.

was awful. Have some redneck relatives who still watch it once a year like It's a Wonderful Life. What is the reason 10 percent of this population thinks it's fun to horde canned goods, guns, and gold and go live behind barbed wire? Not enough play time as a kid?

"...because movies change the world."
Maybe not the world but they can change and inspire an individual.
I personally joined the military after watching a movie.
That film?
MY SUCKY TEEN ROMANCE
After witnessing Harry's new catchphrase I decided to enlist and request bomb squad detail in an effort to kill myself.

Not that I care as I didn't much like the first Red Dawn and have no interest in this but...
North Korea - estimated population just over 24 Million invades America which has a population of just under 310 Million.
I see.
I wonder if they'll still have the same speech in the movie where the Powers Boothe equivalent says that 'Europe folded, Britain put up a fight but only lasted a few days' (or similar) because that would imply that North Korea split up their forces.
Fuck, your film makers have turned the US into a bunch of little girls.

....that one of the kids fighting off the invading forces will be an Asian American kid. He will be the token used to say, "Hey America, we're not saying all Asians are bad...just those ones invading us." <p>
Or not....and they'll all be yelling "kill the gooks". I could see it go either way.

Good points!
After all, the Communist Chinese government CONTROLS every "business" that is native to China. If you work for the company that makes our Nike shoes, you are working for China. If you work for the company that makes our televisions, you are effectively working for the Chinese government.
They are STILL communist...and they imprison or execute dissidents at an alarming rate.
Some former dissidents actually end up showing off their inners at the BODIES: THE EXHIBITION displays. So, the Communist government even displays their executed dissidents to free Americans...for a small fee.

Bush will be reading his pet goat book in a daze, and Cheney will be hiding in his bunker. No one in Washington will notice either, because they are all asleep on the job. TOTALLY PLAUSIBLE!!! Worst 8 years this country ever endured under the Bush Regime. Even more so than Republican Jesus: aka Regan.

"Plus, Hollywood is full of a lot liberal fucktards, and they hate it when you attack communists--their ideological brethren. Look how pissy everyone got when the bad guys in Indy 4 were Soviets."
If anything, Hollywood has been the biggest force for jingoistic, militaristic propaganda for America, particularly in the past 30 years. See: Oh, just about any Hollywood movie about the military other than "Full Metal Jacket," "Casualties of War" or Oliver Stone's filmography up to that treacly sop "World Trade Center."
And nobody got pissy because the villains in "Crystal Skull" were Soviets. People got pissy because they were fucking boring.

Is the "tea party" is trying to "take over" the government or INFLUENCE it?
I am not a member of the tea party...nor have I ever attended a rally. However, I think that they are just a loose group of people who are tired of the lack of government accountability or representation via higher taxation.
They are pushing for government accountability...and NOT government takeover.
Unfortunately, there are people who drink the Kool-Aid from radical propagandists who think that there are enough stupid people to not only believe their anti "tea party" propaganda -- but dumb enough and radical enough to repeat it as well.
Geez.
Do you have any more poo zingers that you want to sling? Or is it feeding time at your zoo cage?

ultimarex, I like your idea. Push this boat out as far as it'll go.
I want to see the President on his knees before Kim Jong Il, who sneers "No one is coming to help you."
Cue a montage of Korean soldiers in every capital of the world, surrounding the Eiffel Tower, outside Sydney Opera House, arresting the Queen in Buckingham Palace.
In fact, the only country they can't invade is South Korea.
THIS SHIT WILL BE AWESOME!!! Can't wait.

Let's not have any terrorists or nationalists attack. Instead, let's have an uprising in America, a movie about a new revolution, motivated by people who are tired of Hollywood's cowardly politically-correct BS. A sort of partisan army that takes over Hollywood, from the Chinese Theater, through the pass, and into Burbank. They can keep lookouts in the old Hollywood sign. They can ambush National Guard supply lines on the 101 because it's easy -- the 101 always moves slow. Make the whole thing a comedy. Still call it "Red Dawn" and have the "red" meaning simply explained by the poster being a parody of "Gone with the Wind". Sort of like "The Park is Mine", but with the motive being Hollywood's dumb moves ruining our culture -- our movies. As a bonus, a commando team could sneak into Skywalker Ranch and kidnap Lucas (Mr. Plinkett could be the officer in charge of the operation).

In light of Hollywood remake fever, why not just start ripping stuff off and pretend it's something new? These reboots usually discard the source material anyway (Prom Night, April Fool's Day, etc.) so why not just make a new movie and call it something else, like they did with the Sam Jackson shark movie.

Keep the bad guys as Communist Chinese.
What you do is keep everything in the movie the same, the invasion and them taking over America. Then you edit out the rest of the movie, removing everything after that. No Wolverines, no uprising, no freedom, no kicking ass.
You send this version to China and they will be very happy with us.

March 16, 2011, 11:35 a.m. CST

by Cobra--Kai

CHARLIE SHEEN LEADS THE WOLVERINES ON A COKE-ADDLED WEEKEND OF KOREAN-KILLING CARNAGE AND SAVES THE US!!!<p>
THIS SHIT WILL BE AWESOME!!! Can't wait.
(Charlie Sheen IS in this right?)

"You must be a troll!"
It would be pretty funny...if it wasn't so sad. After all, those uneducated, ignorant morons who repeat Huffington Post propaganda on entertainment websites are merely drones. Peons. Pawns. Patsies. Tools.
But, they think that they are doing society a favor by repeating the nonsense that they hear without determining whether or not it is true.
They would be better served marching in Wisconsin while demanding that taxpayers continue to allow government workers to DEMAND even larger pensions.
Go figure.

Where THE FUCK did I say our initial national response to 9/11 was motivated by race? I specifically mentioned "America's aggro white manhood," referring to hard-ons such as you, not to the scores of Americans who haven't exploited 9/11 as a means to publicize their xenophobia.
You dress up your reasoning in some fancy bullshit there, but what you're really saying is the equivalent to someone saying they hate Mexicans because someone of Hispanic origin robbed them once. Or the Englishman who hates all Irish because of those sick fucks in the IRA.

Millions of drivers from the Asia invade California roads and highways...creating mass-congestion through poor driving and boneheaded accidents.
JUST KIDDING!
A miracle for a working white man: He gets a promotion at work.
A miracle for a working black man: He goes through a day at work without someone subtly commenting about his race.
A miracle for a working Hispanic man: He is able to get his 10 children to school and still make it to work on time.
A miracle for an Asian man: He gets to work without someone honking at him for his driving.
JUST KIDDING!

They sure picked a strange time to be tired of the lack of government accountability.
Let's see what our white anglo-saxon buddies in the Bush administration did: Domestic spying, two unfunded wars (one of which, I'll grant you, was necessary, although it has gone on far too long and Obama has arguably made it worse by escalating), deregulation that makes the shit Clinton and his cronies did in the 1990s look like an exercise in a graduate-level economics class, an unfunded $2 trillion cumulative tax cut for the richest Americans, an unfunded health care plan in Medicare Part D (say what you will about Obamacare, at least they worked out a funding system for it; Bush and co. didn't even fucking bother) that manged to fuck over the elderly while appearing to buy them off ...
But the tea party pops up because Rick Santelli goes on CNBC ranting about the "losers" who were going to get help from a federal mortgage aid program that didn't even end up helping too many people to begin with. And because the government JUST HAPPENED to spiral out of control when the black guy took over.
Sounds reasonable to me.

Are you Wesley Snipes black? Or are you Denise Huxtable black? <p>
Speaking of which, have you ever seen Angel Heart, chhhrrrriiiissssmm? The sex scene where Denise Huxtable was naked and doing Mickey Rourke and her nipples were standing up like thimbles, and then suddenly they were covered in blood? You see that? What'd you think of that?

So you're suggesting NK would invade, dismantle the US government, close a hefty chunk of the global market and most likely cull 300+ Million people... for the farm belt?
Personally I think my "NK attacks everyone ID4 style" idea is more plausible. And that was a joke.

I haven't commented on anything for some time.. haven't had the time... but this is absolutely disgusting news.
Why was Optimus Prime hunting decepticons in Shanghai?
Why did Alice leave wonderland and SAIL TO CHINA INSTEAD?
How did a movie get made that basically says China saved the world by using slave labour to build giant boats in an occupied country that it invaded - 2012????
And now, because the Chinese are humourless, spiteful, childish little babies, we PANDER to them by changing our ART to as not to risk offending them.
Newsflash everyone...
EVERYTHING OFFENDS THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT. This is an utter shambles.
The set photos on this film were great - they had captured the style of Chinese propaganda with those 'we are here to help' posters... and yes, China has the largest standing army in the world and ARE the biggest threat to EVERY other country at the moment.
The filmmakers should be ashamed.
Oh, and fuck you China.

No. Ha!
My post was an answer to your question about who would want America now anyway.
You think China wouldn't want to turn the U.S. into another Africa, a geographically diverse landmass with lots of room to cultivate natural resources, not to mention a huge population on which to test all sorts of products?

Of course modern warfare movies bomb, they're written expressly for the purpose of blaming George W. Bush for whatever fucked up things are happening to the characters. They're not anything moviegoers actually want to see in a war movie.

...but I'll direct you to either pornhub or youporn, where you can find the scene. So, one day, watch the scene when you have time, and then, one weekend, we'll discuss it. All the symbolism and nuances, and the finer points of Lisa Bonet getting boned by Mickey Rourke at the peak of her Cosby Show fame.

Wow -- you are a DICK. You keep spewing MINDLESS fictional shit that simply makes you look more and more clueless.
You moron! Obama has TRIPLED the deficit in less than two years. Are you brave enough to complain about him? Or do you simply reserve your pointless yet vicious rhetoric for the Bush Administration?
You truly are a moron...and what is completely wrong with America. You speak so much about things that you know so little about.
You are like the fictional lemming who is prodding his friends to run hard and fast for the coast...because he read about the need to do so on some website.

Is that all you care about? That movies can be perceived to criticize Dubya? Are you even willing to engage the films on their premises? Or do you just revert to the "Don't make fun of my dad" school of rhetoric in your criticism?
Serious questions.

I hear ya! The only problem that I would have with that movie is Mickey Rourke.
Just the thought of that ugly old man defiling something as lovely as Lisa Bonet sends chills down my spine (for the wrong reasons).

..especially since he's somewhat pandering to your party and corporations i.e. not increasing taxes for the wealthy out of fear of companies leaving the States.
Then again, I would rather put up with Bam for another four years (should he win 2012's election ) as oppossed to another clusterfuck like Dubya..or worst: Satan Palin!

Because he had the balls to put the costs of the books, unlike Bush and co.
Because the residual costs of the financial crisis that happened under Bush's watch and the programs needed to stabilize it.
Because all of those unfunded tax cuts and programs instituted by the Bush administration, combined with lower tax receipts due to high unemployment and the recession, are finally adding up.
Facts. You cannot choose them.

Dude was a handsome fella back then....he even starred in Johnny Handsome. THe Pope of Greenwich Village, Rumble Fish, Angel Heart....this was handsome Mickey before the facial deformities...it won't turn your stomach unless the blood in the scene makes you queasy.

Someone has to pay their taxes so that "thatchicken" can continue to receive his welfare checks.
He works for us, you know. Of course, he doesn't do anything for his wages though. It might be due to his "bipolar" disability.
So, the Obama government reminds us that: "We owe (him), we owe (him), so off to work we go!"
Cya after work.

now that he succeed in destroying the anti-regime guerillas,his next target is to punish the western leaders who criticized him and demande his departute from his presidency during the riot in his country.ofc his first target is obvious: USA
whatcha da think Hollywood?

Before I go...
You are saying something that is completely untrue. The deficits would NEVER have "tripled" if Obama simply continued the Bush budget.
Unfortunately, Obama can't seem to stop spending on pet projects. That is the reason that the deficit tripled and the national debt is now 10x what it was in 2008.
So, no matter how much you try, you can't successfully blame Bush for the tripling of the deficit.
Gotta run.

I mean, beyond their immense wealth and power, is that they're able to convince poor and working class people that THEY TOO can be JUST LIKE THEM with a little OLD-FASHIONED American MOXIE and ELBOW GREASE.
And while you're voting for their interests, they're picking your pockets by propping up puppet politicians on the "left" and the right to ram through tax cuts and deregulatory policies.

but cg little alien worms crawling out of their mouths once they are shot. None of the other actors ever notice the worms so they never bring it up. Then just add a title card to the end that says a UFO was destroyed by a Chinese"weather satellite" equipped with nuclear missiles and a laser cannon. And now we're all friends again. Yay!

but cg little alien worms crawling out of their mouths once they are shot. None of the other actors ever notice the worms so they never bring it up. Then just add a title card to the end that says a UFO was destroyed by a Chinese"weather satellite" equipped with nuclear missiles and a laser cannon. And now we're all friends again. Yay!

Just another in the long history of proxy wars. China is still the real power pulling the strings, shooting angry little North Koreans at us with a giant experimental peashooter...then flood the market with cheap Chinese made guns.
No matter who loses, China wins.

This throwback to our nation's outdated commie-phobia plays right up to our most extreme xenophobic fantasies. The most needless remake ever, it's like some deluded Glenn Beck nightmare.
I've never said this before, but I really hope this movie fails HARD. And I'll toast an oxycontin to that!

The 'Asian people look all the same' bullshit. If they knew any better, chinese people have (very) different facial features compared to people from korea. And what about the fucking language?? Do they keep the mandarin/cantonese und just shuffle it to the western audience that it is...korean?? WTF!

Yeah, because we all know that communist nations all live in a peace-loving utopia.
My ass.
Look up the megacides that have occurred in the 20th century within communist regimes. What is it, 100-150 million dead? There's a reason people don't trust the communists, and I know your college professors want you to believe it's just because we're all racist gun lovers, and nothing to do with all of the atrocities.

And its called Homefront.
btw: look into the instability of the Chinese economy.
Just because I tell you I have billions doesn't make it true and they are sitting on two of the largest bubbles in economic history.
Just a FYI for when it pops and China corrects back to the stone age.

To say the Morons and Wasps have as much control over this country as those who control what we see, hear, buy and listen to - well, that's just downright stupid. Hearst proved what can be done with one newspaper (back when newspapers mattered) - today, no matter how you slice it, toss in Fox news if you like - the control of information is handled by ONE group. You can still say things like "Mormons are weird" and nothing will happen - but step in front of a microphone and let the world know that the producer of Two and a Half Men really has a Jewish name - and you'll be labeled anti-semite and for two days people will carve out that one thing you said no matter how many other crazy things comes spouting from your mouth. China now has the same deal - but what do you expect, we can't even call a movie Captain America anymore without being worried about losing a dollar - and that is what this is all about people - they don't give a fuck who they offend - they want to make sure they get all that money.

Are examples of why there should be somebody doing real quality control in the movie industry. Like they just all of a sudden thought, hey this movie might piss the Chinese off. I thought that from day one when this remake was announced. I was under the assumption that maybe they knew that and didn't care. And Men in Black is just an example of if you think the script sucks, rewrite it until it's at least filmable. It's not like we have a writer's strike going on right now.

We've committed our own fair share of atrocities/injustices/invasions that your media, teachers, pastors, pundits don't talk about. Many of which we did in the name of stopping communism.
I'm honored that I sound like I went to college! Nice stab at college professors, btw. I always marvel at the stone aged antagonism of intellectualism and the educated!

North Korea can't even invade South Korea. Shit, they couldn't even invade Japan right now if they wanted to. Man, I can't even buy them invading Dollywood, let alone a big chunk of the USA. I mean you could give them a droid army like the one in Lucas' shitsterpiece Phantom Menace and they still wouldn't even be able to invade a Starbucks.

I'm not saying we haven't committed atrocities. Obviously we have. I just dare you to preach about atrocities in a communist nation... say hello to the re-education camps.
Stack our body count against ANY communist nation's body count to its own fucking people.
Compare our invasions and conquest to the Soviet Union conquering ALL of Eastern Europe.
Vietnam? They had Afghanistan.
China? Tibet says hello. They knocked over the most peaceful nation on the planet because they could. Dicks.
I'm surprised you haven't been to college, you sound on par with any liberal arts professor out there.

Last year, Popular Mechanics had a fascinating article about what a Chinese invasion of Taiwan and their steps to counter an American intervention might look like, using state-of-the-art tactics and weaponry. A movie based on this premise and set within an American aircraft carrier support group would have a high entertainment value quotient.
But that would be expecting the troglodytes in Hollywood to actually have a Global Politics 101 understanding of how the world actually works. Instead, we're now being treated to the borderline hilarious premise of the DPRK and their wet firecracker nukes somehow dominating the US...
Just stop. Sell the sets, recoup your losses somehow, but stop.

He's only become the biggest pop cultural phenomenon in America at the fucking moment, making hundreds of thousands of dollars by having some cretinous assistant twat, er, tweet, things for him.
You're going to need a better example of the Nefarious Global Jewish Conspiracy than fucking Two and a Half Men's creator and unbalanced politically correct sensitivities in Hollywood.*
*Note: I agree that it was fucking bullshit that Sheen's rant was the thing that got him fired. I mean, what about the women he kicked the shit out of?

There are only two ways to save this:
A) Make the invaders aliens. Get Weta to rotoscope some CGI aliens over the existing actors like in 'District 9'. They can call them Martians Red Planet Red Dawn get it.
OR
Hire Trey Parker and Matt stone to do a quick rewrite /re-shoot and turn it into a comedy.
What will probably happen is this goes strait to DVD.

changed to Honkys yet. I guess the film can still be re-tooled though. If it's sat on the shelf for 2 years, what's another 2. As we've seen with classics like Town and Country and Take Me Home Tonight, it can only get better!

The 2 words I heard most: President Ni**er.
In fairness, there seemed to be two groups there. One group that wanted to frame the conversation around fiscal responsibility and accountability (which is A-OK).
The other group wanted to lament the death of the country since the Muslim black man stole the presidency and is a pawn of Al-Queda.
I would like to say the birther racists were a small fringe contingent, but they were there in force.
So just be careful who you throw in with. good advise for everybody these days, no?

As we've seen with stuff like The Wolfman and Mars Needs Moms, if your film cost 80 million or more and sucks, just release it or send it straight to My Network TV at 2 in the morning on a Saturday. Why waste another 80 million on something that has no way of making the initial 80 million back, let alone another.

This conspiracy of silence you perceive regarding certain races is nothing more than people displaying common sense. If I was a video distributor who operated in a largely black community, choosing not to try to sell them a movie called 'blacks must die' isn't me being bullied into tiptoeing around a group of people, it's me having common sense enough to know that pissing off my customers = me losing money.
The fact of the matter is, if you were a movie distributor with your toe dipped in a reasonable share of the chinese market, YOU wouldn't want to distribute this either. If you did, you'd lose a shitload of money. Then you'd pretty much have to admit that you're stupid.
Why in the world would any distributor choose backing a movie they don't give a shit about over their own prosperity?

Basically the Jericho scenario:
The US suffers a round of devastating terrorist attacks that leaves us crippled and defenseless. The U.N. (or what's left of it) sends in peacekeeping troops to secure any loose nuclear weapons. Years go by, and what was suppose to have been a rebuilding effort turns into occupation. Those who resist are killed, the old remember the once greatness of their nation, and the young know nothing but the iron fist of the occupier. Wrap that around a story of a group of young people who become unlikely revolutionaries and you gots your movie.

A much better strategy would be to try and make a movie that realistically portrays how much it would suck if highly-coordinated terrorists were able to cause as much shit as possible by hijacking planes and flying them into oil refineries, blowing up ships under strategic bridges and in strategic canals, flying ultralights and dropping carbon ribbon on high-tension electrical wires to short out the electrical grid, setting off a few dirty bombs, etc, etc, etc, all in the same week.
No intention of taking over the country, just trying to cause as much destruction and confusion as possible. It would be a story that's a LITTLE more feasible. The Norks could still be one of the villains in the movie, of course. TSA screeners probably don't look as closely at korean-looking folk as they do middle-eastern-looking folk.

I wasn't interested in this flick before, even less now. China owns America for the most part. They have major investments in our banks and debt. Within the next couple of decades they will be the dominant superpower in the world. This will happen. Not if. When. I would expect to see a lot more of this kind of kowtowing bullshit.

"Isn't it weird how terrified Americans are of invasions when they're the only ones doing the invading? Ironic!"
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Um, isn't everyone afraid of being taken over and told what to do?
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The Muslims are afraid of Americanisation (despite the fact that they have been doing a pretty good job of it themselves over the past 50+ years).
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The Chinese are afraid of Americanisation, and think that by owning more of the country and it's debt and business will not give their own people that capitalist itch to scratch and become.. more.. like... Americans...oops.
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The thing is gents: the first film was an allegory or "what if", if for no other reason than to show people in an entertaining way what it would be like to be:
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back fighting the British, but in modern times.
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in the position of the South Vietnamese when first invaded by the Russian/Chinese funded South Vietnamese (remember, we didn't "invade" South Vietnam...we were counter-invading North Vietnam/China/Russia in the attempt to kick them out, not take over South/North Vietnam. Sheesh.)
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Even so, you can argue the effectiveness of the original, despite it's intents (what would YOU do in that situation, regardless of how it happens; the bit of the former guerrilla warfare Cuban officer who realizes he's now on the losing end because he's now on the same end as those he formerly fought against; etc).
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Regardless, the thing is: China does pretty much own our ass. It is not so much whether China COULD invade us, but again the whole point is to make something subtle a bit more obvious (ie financial control becomes military control). So now the whole allegory point is made null and void, which means they might as well shelve the entire thing.
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And that comment about how rich people control the poor by "convincing them they can become rich themselves"?!? Seriously? I would think the rich would control the poor by trying to convince them that poverty isn't that bad, and being rich is full of toys but hollow (Nic Cage THE FAMILY MAN, among many other such "message" movies), as well as support a socialist support system whose sole objective would be to pay the poor to remain poor (unemployment benefits as opposed to reemployment and career development programs; abortion on demand to reduce poor population as opposed to family reintegration; dumbing down of public schooling system to make said people easier to dupe and harder to made educated decisions on their own; developing a socialist system in general that is funded by stealing from 100s of millions of working class people who are all considered "the rich" whereas the money is used to not create solutions or cures, but to placate poverty and illnesses and retirement to the barest minimum, while those in power ride in limos, fly in lear jets and have $18,000 a month offices.. all funded with said tax money).
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Now for all of your fear of Sarah and the Tea Party, when have they ever resorted to the same violence the Left has been since the Vietnam protests? They have yet to match the halfway point, yet half the board here considers them more of a threat than a country which owns more than 60% of our debt, which (regardless of whether Bush and/or Obama created it) amounts to the TRILLIONS of dollars, of which itself is being undermined in value from Bush in 2003 to the current day under Obama?

I think both. You grew up and realized America sucks. Also, we have become an even more bizarre, psychotic, incredibly dangerous, and profoundly stupid self-parody ever since Bush took over and ruined the country forever. And Obama? Well, he talked a good game, but he's just as much a corporate tool as Ronald "The AntiChrist" Reagan was. I give the country 10 years tops before it implodes. Wherever you are from, you are definitely better off. America is over. Done. Kaput. The End.

... is one where we see this dead hick with a gun on his hand and his pick-up bumber reads "They will only take away my gun from by pried dead fingers". Right away, a soviet soldier picks-up the hick's gun from his dead fingers and causally tucks it away in his army belt. That scene is hillarious like hell. Who says John Milius can't do comedy?

*I* genocided the Indians? Do you have a body count? Aren't there still Native Americans running casinos and living on reservations? No much of a genocide, hero.
How does that compare with the millions killed during China's Great Leap Forward? Or the millions executed and starved to death in North Korea? Or the millions the Soviets killed?
We tried Genocide-Lite, lost our stomachs and created a bullshit resettlement policy to add insult to injury. We did the Indians dirty, no doubt about it, but your moral equivalency bullshit is tired and old. Nothing comes close to the atrocities of China, Russia, and North Korea. Nothing.
What country are you from by the way?

Supposedly, earlier drafts of "Red Dawn" were a little more reflective and honest about the horrors of war, making the movie somewhat of an allegory for what the U.S. did in Vietnam.
But the studio, in bed with the Pentagon as Hollywood has been for the most part since the public backlash against the military following Vietnam, decided to beef up the rah-rah quotient.

If you read the article (insert favorite curse word of choice), the whole reason for replacing the Chinese with North Koreans was TO MAKE MORE MONEY. When Chinese people have more money to spend, and we have movies for them to spend it on, the MGM gang was probably were thinking: "you know what? We'd really like to make 100s of millions of dollars from Chinese movie goers."
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Now if you make a movie where the AMERICANS are the bad guys, and that movie is being made IN AMERICA from an AMERICAN COMPANY, don't you think that the last thing you want to do is upset your primary customer base.... if the whole point is to make money on your movie?
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Regardless of truth or whatnot, did it ever occur to the lefties in Hollywood that nobody wants to see themselves portrayed as the bad guy, even if that is the case? Thus, the reason why all those Iraq/Afghanistan movies tanked (you know, other than IRON MAN and HURT LOCKER)? This isn't that hard to figure out, people.
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Now you can go make a movie from the POV of NVA kids fighting Americans.. just good luck making another movie again when your first one bombs.
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What you have to realize is that you have to "smoke screen" the obvious, and make your NVA kids into cute cat-like blue aliens and not have the Americans TOO identifiable as Americans... you know, like wearing the American flag on their uniforms. THEN you can make a few billion dollars making America the bad guy, because Americans [as educated by the above mentioned, purposefully mismanaged public education system] are too stupid to undergo the thought processes enough to make the connection... unless its obvious... like flags on the uniforms.. you get the idea...

taking the arab terrorist out of "Sum Of All Fears" and replacing them with the ready made villian, Euro Neo-Nazis. One Ben Affleck and Morgan Freeman later..you have the worst Clancy film EVER, and that is saying something. Have lost total interest in this film, when the stuidio lost their balls.
Who gives a damn if a movie offends teh Chinese, we are criminalized in a shit ton of Chinese cinema...

Making the Chinese the villains was an incredibly stupid move, and only NOW they'd realizing this? It makes you wonder what other boneheaded moves this production made thoughout the development and making of this movie.

Will every mention of the word china be dubbed? So that we have Godzilla-esque scenes where Americans are saying "Korean" but their lips clearly say "Chinese"? I mean, how much of a reshoot (if they don't like my dubbing idea) will this entail?
It should have been Korea in the first place, the only real communist threat left. It makes sense too. Treat the Koreans as an alien invasion movie, where they've run out of food and resources and invade us as a last ditch attempt to keep their culture alive. It's for survival.
BAM. Problem fixed.
Either way, this was a stupid idea from the beginning. It doesn't get my support. Never has.

Anyone who has ever watched a hockey game knows that Canadians are worse than drunk Irishmen and are fearsome warmongers in the extreme - polite my ass. Also, those bright red mountie uniforms work well with the title of the film. It makes about as much sense as the N Korean idea.
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Another option is, if they still intend to use N Koreans, is to have them drill from Pyongyang through the Earth's core and then invade the US like army ants swarming out of an anthill. That would fucking rule!

Didn't Scorsese's Kundun get buried by Disney/Touchstone due to pressure from the Chinese government? I can't fathom that no one at MGM could predict it happening to their film. I remember thinking "this is a risky idea" when I first heard who the baddies were. No wonder MGM went tits up a few months back.

1) Anyone with any pulse for the international community knows that the US is one of the most feared nations in the world, with our gigantic military industrial complex and history of invasion and nuking civilians.
Unfortunately, our enemies know we've spread ourselves thin with our current invasions. But I guess we should just stop bashing Bush because his decisions aren't still affecting anyone, right?
2) See above. NO ONE is going to invade us militarily. It's not going to happen. It was never going to happen. Logistically, it's not worth the pain. Economically, it's a different story.
3) A lot of movies lately seem to be reinforcing America's fear of the foreign or "Others." The real ppl causing us problems are the select few hoarding the bulk of our wealth and leaving us the fight over the scraps.
4) The funny thing is: China isn't even really Communist. They just operate under the title of "communism" even though they've become something more capitalist and plutocratic than the U.S.

You are the hero of this thread.
China is not so much communist as it is a totalitarian, hyper-capitalist society with total integration of the corporate and government sectors.
In other words, an American plutocrat's wet dream.

the filmmakers should have instead framed it as a "soft" invasion, facilitated by the Chinese government's wealthy U.S. benefactors, with inferior Chinese products slowly killing Americans as the government drowns in red ink.
You know, like real life.

The Beck, Hannity and Fox News crowd would have flocked to see this if it was China. Hell, I pitched a video game concept with the same basic idea of China trying to seize the West Coast...
They got a couple of million soldiers, new missle systems and a ton of money to buy what they need.
Korea? They got one nuke strapped to an ox. They're starved for food. And a recent documentary I saw showed that a lot of their fighting force is underfed and underfunded.
This is a joke. The money guys caved to their banking masters it sounds like.
Hey guys, stop remaking 80's action films. You can't make any foreigners bad guys any more.

What is the point of any of this really? Money. You know what would have been a much more believable story right now.....An American Civil War.
Today you have the Tea Party and all it's off shoots. You have the gap between the rich and poor and all the ideological differences that make up America and how they can/are tearing us apart.
Have 3 groups....the Constitutionalist, Centerist and the Leftist.

ROFL!
Hyper-capitalism is not when you have corporations integrated with the government. The sort of systems where businesses are incorporated into the government mechanism are either mercantalist, fascist, or communist. That is NOT capitalist. Hyper capitalism would be a truly free market with zero government involvement.
At it's best, it's Asian mercantalism.

Their forces are huge, and they could mount a ground offensive in South Korea while at the same time invading the US if they had support from their allies.
China being the most important ally, but mostly behind the scenes.
Since China is a member of most world organisations and pretty much pretends to be a responsible country thats on the up and up, they will swear left and right to not have anything to do with whats going on.
But behind the scenes they will be the ones pulling a lot of the strings.
Japan gets wiped out by an earthquake that triggers tsunamis and nuclear meltdowns all over their island, crippling their ability to do anything about what their neighbor countries are doing.
We send a lot of aid to Japan, including air craft carriers and other military vessels. Coupled with all that we have tied up in the middle east and in peacekeeping missions in North Africa, well our maritime defense is not what it should be.
The markets crash and China is "forced" by the situation to call in a lot of its debt from around the world. Specifically its US bonds, gutting the US economy even more.
Chinas unique business dealings with key US defense industry companies allow it to attain intelligence crucial to undermining our national defense.
Their financial control of certain sectors of US government makes it easy to buy key Pentagon personnel in order to lower US defenses even more on the day of the invasion.
For instance sending the western air force fleet out for training exercises in Alaska or something ;).
Massive record breaking wildfires break out simultaneously all over the west coast mountainous areas in what can only be some sort of planned pre war arson scheme by the thousands of already embedded enemy living in the US.
Our attention goes to fight the fires so they dont spread into major towns and cities, our national guard is tied up with that situation as well a series of explosions at certain bridges across the country.
At this point the US is on high alert and the blame falls on terrorists like Al-Qaeda.
Anti Islamic fervor reaches new heights in the media and across the nation.
But this is not Al-Qaeda.
Instead its Iranian secret forces in the US who are helping the North Koreans.
Iran has made a partnership with North Korea as well as Venezuela, Libya, and a few other key allies.
This allows it to have the fuel, weapons, and logistical power it needs for an invasion.
China providing massive intelligence, financing, and on the ground logistical support in the US, and even Russia helping out where they can with weapons and energy and political pressure.
Tens of thousands of Chinese and Korean soldiers have been coming to the US in shipping containers in the years leading up to the invasion. A silent embedded network of military personnel hiding in plain sight as workers, businessmen, engineers, scientists, and even enlisted members of our own military.
Their massive computer systems division hacks into the Echelon database and sends our defense dept on various wild goose chases on the day of attack. The worse part of it being some of the blocks placed on critical response mechanisms that slow down the US response to the invasion in its first hours.
And then quietly the westernmost part of the country goes dark as Chinese submarines launches a series of massive EMP attacks off the coast of California. (already tested last year with that cruise ship that become dead in the water after a mysterious and unexplained missile was launched off the California coast)
Our nuclear missile system has been rendered offline by the hackers so we cant respond even if we did know who was behind the attack.
Although at this point we can only guess.
While the US scrambles in near darkness both physically and intelligence wise, the invasion begins in full force.
Hordes of Chinese living in the US don North Korean uniforms, and since most Americans cant tell the difference between two Asians, the ruse works.
They quickly take over the docks and most of the coastland as well as key areas within the western US.
The massive NK army starts arriving in US ports now in control of the enemy, their tanks and fighter jets controlling the roads and the skies.
US fighter jets coming in from afar are outnumbered and disorganized, therefore quickly defeated.
Logistics, refueling, supply lines... all taken care of by Chinese corporations already present in the US. In China all corporations must be partly owned by the government, thats the law.
So all the warehouse stocked with foodstuffs for Wal-Mart and other national retailers become supply depots for the invading army.
Toyota plants become tank repair depots, etc...
Americans are put to work to help the Asian forces, many collaborate in order to be able to have a job, but food on their families table, and to gain protection from the invasion force.
All citizens are given an implanted RF chip implanted in their left hand that signifies them as a collaborator. Protecting them from harm and allowing them the right to work and buy goods.
Those without the mark are imprisoned and killed.
The true power behind the attack is China.
News gets to them that the US is close to bankrupting itself. The Dollar trades in record lows and the US government prepares plans to devalue the currency.
The Amero is being flouted as the new united currency of Canada, Mexico, the US, and some key central and south american partners.
This creates a furor with the current socialist governments spread throughout most of central and south america, and precipitates their alliance with the asian powers.
At the same time the US is being invaded by the Asians, Mexico, Argentina and other US allies are invaded by Venezuela and a coalition of socialist latin american countries.
China sparks it all off in order to protect its investments in the US. Knowing that if the dollar is replaced by another currency that their financial hold on the US and international carte blanc will be rendered nil.
But the key is to remain neutral or even help the US in the first months of the invasion, only to stab us in the back at the worst moment and show itself to be the true power behind the North Koreans.

it is hyper capitalism.
Capitalism is all about competition. Well, there was a winner in that competition in China, and it was the government. Of course, there wasn't any choice. And since it doesn't have to worry about any regulations or internal accusations of being a monopoly, it keeps burning right along, feeding its growing middle class a steady stream of relatively new wealth and comforts.
And you can always argue that capitalism itself, in an unfettered form, is a zero-sum game that will ideally lead to one corporation in charge of everything, the only currency left being power.

let alone launch an invasion without so much as a green water navy, and somehow make it past the world's mightiest navy and most intricate defense network.
Will the invading force come aboard Chinese illegal immigrant smuggling ships?

<i>it is hyper capitalism.
Capitalism is all about competition. Well, there was a winner in that competition in China, and it was the government. Of course, there wasn't any choice. And since it doesn't have to worry about any regulations or internal accusations of being a monopoly, it keeps burning right along, feeding its growing middle class a steady stream of relatively new wealth and comforts. </i>
How often do you argue with yourself like that?

... would have said bombed, but I hate being predictable...
I'll just watch the Aussie "tween" version "Tomorrow: When the war began"
It's a gonna be a Trilogy based on a successful set of books in Australia with the same name.
Probably better acting than this is gonna be...

The Brits invade Florida with millions of vicious chavs and pikeys snuck in on cruise ships. Disneyworld is occupied for a month and thousands of Americans are brutally happy-slapped until President Obama personally leads a motley army of permanently-displaced Katrina victims to free them.
Get Snyder to direct and you've got a fabulous summer tentpole.

the producer (handed orders from the studio) , is the one who controls everything...the screenwriter is simply there to eloquently dictate the producer's demands so the actors dont walk off the movie...so please stop blaming screenwriters.
and hollywood no longer makes movies...they never did really, it's just that now it's becoming as obvious as a herpes sore...they make products, bottom line financial parachutes, in order to keep their jobs. the filmmakers are just there to make it all look and sound nice...putting forth the illusion that cinema is still being made...it isn't.
the only saving grace is people like pT anderson, tarantino, etc...even once reliable guys like Sodebergh are making sellout shit.

the American audience is too simple minded to notice the physical differences between a Chinese and a Korean is probably right. But then again, Asians probably can't tell the difference between an Englishman, a Frenchman, a Dutch, a Polish, a Russian, etc on looks alone. Ignorance goes both ways.

You proved that you have no understanding of ANYTHING with your fourth point.
Unlike the talking point propaganda spoon fed to you by the Huffington Pravda Post, China IS still a militant communist country that arrests and executes dissidents at an alarming rate.
Steve Jobs, MuBarack Obama (et al) ignore this because it is cheaper for us to buy our products from their devalued currency, government control of industry, government "oversight" of quality control (possible arrest for bad quality and "sabotage") and apparent SLAVE LABOR.
I dare you to walk through the streets of Beijing and shout something about the flaws of Chinese communism or party leadership. You will discover very quickly just how "communist" China continues to be.
Sure, they embrace some forms of competition -- but only because all industry in China is controlled by the Chinese communist government (because of the $$$) and most of the competition is ELSEWHERE.
However, a nice educated Chinese peasant can't just start his own company free from the control of China's communist government. Sure, there are some ghost political parties in China; however, even those are controlled by the government. The legitimate political parties that challenge communism are actively suppressed. Their leaders are arrested and sometimes tortured and executed.
Free Tibet?
Not if President Obama has his way! Our president has quietly recognized CHINA as the legitimate governor of the Tibet "province." If China began to exert more control over Taiwan, you can bet that Obama will run like a dog with his tail between his legs to the UN...who will act as decisively as they acted in Libya.
China currently needs the United States -- because we are the major purchaser of Chinese manufactured goods. The United States needs China because the bulk of US-designed high tech goods are now manufactured in China for slave wages. After all, no one wants to pay $200 more for their iPhone just because Apple decides to pay a "living wage."
Nixon was a dishonest and arrogant asshole. However, he was right when he said that he feared China more than the Soviet Union. Yet he opened doors with the Chinese as a tactical move to worry the Soviets. China now has the largest army in the world. China is also nuclear. China is now an economic superpower. China is also controlled by elite communists.
It is a no-win scenario. However, if we (and other western nations) were to cut ties with China over something -- like an invasion of Taiwan -- then the scenario could be realized. Business and political relations with China could fall apart. That could lead up to a revamped nationalism by the Communist Chinese government. This could serve as the premise of the opening scene of the new RED DAWN movie.
Instead, we are given a more ridiculous film about North Korea. The 4 foot-tall dictator of Kim Jung Il is a fan of Hollywood movies -- so I am certain that he looks forward to this film (if he lives that long).
Okay...break over. Back to work I go!

The American says "our cars get up to 50 miles per gallon of gasoline!" and the Soviet replies: "Gasoline?! Well our cars run on anything that burns; kerosine, ethanol, even vodka!"
The American says "our cars have all sorts of fancy features that come standard like seatbelts, windows that roll down and backlit speedometers!" and the Soviet replies: "well certain Soviet cars are designed to run on nothing but industrial effluent!"
Finally, the American asks: "How many decades does an average Soviet man need to work to save for your car?" After a thoughtful pause, the Soviet replies: "And you are lynching Negroes!"

I agree with those who think:
1) This is a creatively STUPID change, since the Chinese are pretty much be the only superpower around -- other than Russia -- that would be even remotely capable of staging a physical attack on the U.S. homeland. And by "physical", I mean an actual "boots on the ground" type of assault with lots of soldiers running around (versus a select few-men terrorist operation).
I mean, come on -- it's a freakin' action movie. You need to give the people a reason to get into the movie, and who is going to buy the premise that North Korea could stage ANY kind of invasion that wouldn't be squashed in no time at all? This is utter bullshit, and whatever suit at MGM made this call should either be fired for being so fucking clueless OR they should have at least had the balls to simply shelve the movie completely and take a major write-off, rather than foisting this shit on audiences down the road.
2) Then again, why should I be surprised by this? As a country, the U.S. is essentially broke... Hollywood is broke, constantly turning out so many expensive clunkers (enjoy the years of writing down MARS NEEDS MOMS, Disney!)... and even amongst Hollywood players, MGM is truly in a financial pit. So let's face it -- they probably don't want to upset the Chinese because they're hoping to get a loan from them too one day!
BALL-LESS and CLUELESS. Just put out the fucking movie the way it was meant to be. Enough with this politically correct bullshit about "offending" people. Being PC about "offending people" has gotten so out of hand that's what's making things lose any cutting edge or new sense of originality and thus turning more and more products vanilla and bland.
Oh, and PS: fuck anyone in this thread saying its somehow "xenophobia" to be suspicious of anyone else, or of other countries and cultures in the world. News flash for those of you with your peace-loving heads up your asses: NOT EVERYONE in the world is in love with America. And yes, there ARE plenty of people out there looking to do us harm.
But as someone above accurately noted, we've now reached the ridiculous PC-inclined stage where even trying to discuss the Times Square Bomber and his religious fanaticism will get you labeled a xenophobe. That's how ball-less some people have gotten.

Yes you see despite allowing more foreign people into their country than any other nation on the Earth Americans are uniquely racist, xenophobic trolls.
The only way to completely remove this xenophobia is to destroy the evil that is traditional America, and then flowers will sprout and birds will sing, just as happened on a smaller scale when the Americans dumped 'traditional' Bush for 'change' Obama.

I watch the show and he has NOT been pimping it. To say so is ridiculous. He's mentioned it only once or twice, basically mentioning it whenever he's talked about China as a rising power that could threaten the U.S. -- at which point Hannity might mention the movie in a tossaway comment like "Even Hollywood is taking notice by making the Chinese the enemy in that RED DAWN remake." That's about the extent of him "pimping it."
For that matter, if you were going to accuse Hannity of "pimping it" for simply mentioning it once or twice, then I could make the SAME accusation about talking head commentators on the Left, since I've seen likewise seen people like Rachel Maddow or Chris Matthews or Ed Schultz mention the movie once or twice too, where they push their Lib-centric talking points, basically by saying "What's wrong with Hollywood? Now they're trying to make us fear the Chinese too! I bet this was made by some Righty producer!!!"
Give me a fucking break already. Just MENTIONING the movie is NOT "pimping it."

What about the Christianist fanatics in this country bombing abortion clinics and shooting abortion doctors? Or the Jewish fanatics in Israel, led by foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman?
Hell, why bring religion into at all? People are so quick to bring up the Times Square bomber, that fucking moron, but what about those neo-Nazis who were planning that MLK Day bombing out in Washington state? That was a pretty sophisticated explosive device, particularly compared to the idiot Times Square bomber's.
I guarantee you'll get agreement from most liberals that religious fanaticism is a dire threat to civilization. You just have to include other religions than the one practiced by the tan-skinned folks from the Mideast.

One scene shows a "Chinese/American Friendship Center" in an occupied town, with a poster in the window saying "Rebuilding Your Economy", a plausible propaganda message coming from a Chinese occupation force. Using North Korea is hilarious, since it's transparently chosen for politics instead of plausibility. I almost hope they leave the text on the poster intact.
To be fair, a Russian invasion was never plausible either. A nuclear war could have happened, sure, but there was no way Russians would have got boots on the ground in the U.S. before we'd sent the world back to the stone age.

Haha as if. But you'll never see Chinese boots in America on American soil. If China were to suddenly so call in its notes, it would cause the U.S. economy to collapse... So you see without firing a shot China will have won that war, we don't need to make angry our potential new masters.

It was ludicrous to think that the Chinese would invade the US in the first place, even if we are in debt up to your ass to them. The Chinese need us to buy their products. Hell, I've got so many statues and replicas from Hot Toys, Sideshow, Master Replicas, and eFX that's made in China it's crazy. Do you honestly think the Chinese government is going to go after the US--the country I live in--who buys stuff from them all the time. Now, MGM is digitally erasing all the Chinese flags and Chinese insignia and all traces of China from this film to replace them with North Korea North Korean flags and insignia? WTF? Do the North Koreans have like giant nuclear powered Robots or Mobile Suits armed with nuclear weapons to spearhead a US invasion? Does MGM think that their audience is that stupid? Wait, don't answer that. Is this the film version of Homefront? I've played that game and know all about the synopsis which has so many logical errors about how the North Koreans become a world power its not even funny. Hollywood makes these shitfests for the brain dead. If you want to stop these shitfests from being made, DO NOT SUPPORT THEM!!!

I was commenting recently on a US report about those who have bad jobs being in a worse psychological state than those who have no jobs at all ...I thought, unfortunately China, has been accumulating all of it's wealth with those bad jobs, and now is adopting the bad job mindset as it's business model for the rest of the world...

That's a good point to bring up. Sometimes I fear that the world's great economies are looking to China for the blueprint: easily manipulated markets with an unthinking population numbed by easy access to cheap goods and entertainment on the condition they work themselves to death for The System.

asinine creative decisions I've heard from Hollywood in quite a while for many of the reasons listed above. Also, kinda funny the producers / execs are worried about offending China when they steal billions of bucks from Hollywood through extensive piracy of their films.

This sounds like Homefront. I bet they scrap the remake and make it off the game that was just released. And for those that think this couldn't happen, check this out at IGN.
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/115/1154693p1.html

You know, I was REALLY REALLY REALLY looking forward to this. BUT...
These are the kinds of changes you just don't make after you've shot a WHOLE GODDAMN MOVIE. There is absolutely, positively no way to do this without completely ruining the film. If they had filmed it this way from the start I wouldn't care, but if they go through with this at this point then fuck the movie, fuck the distributors, and fuck the film-makers who are bending over and allowing all the ass-fucking to occur.
As for me, I won't watch it.

Are we really more worried about the Chinese than we are about the North Koreans, at least in terms of which country has the crazed idea to take over a small Colorado town? China is going to overtake the world economically so why would they bother with this? North Korea was much more believable in the first place.

There is a similar plot to the new game "Homefront," where completely fucking unrealistically, North Korea has invaded and occupied California.
What the fuck?
I agree with leisuredrummer and 77ad on this. I call bullshit on the game's developer THQ and Xbox for releasing such a total pile of BS.
I mean, hey why don't we just have Nigeria or Greenland or The Dominican Republic invade and occupy parts of America. Makes about as much sense, right?
Again, bullshit. In movies or Xbox games, this scenario is beyond the pale stupid.

It IS a lot more plausible than people might think.
China can be the silent partner of Korea behind the scenes, the way Russia was the driving force behind Vietnam, Cuba, and all the other proxy wars the US fought during the cold war.
Except China would take it to a whole nother level of course.
Chinese owned corporations own more US real estate than most other major economic entities combined.
They also own most of the factories in northern Mexico, all the way to the border with Texas.
The booming city of Monterrey was basically built on the back of these Asian corporations starting factories there.
After the nuclear meltdown of the various Japanese power plants as well as the devastation of its infrastructure, will and economy due to the quake and tsunami + its weak military as per their WW2 treaty, a Korean invasion of Japan would not be difficult.
Or more likely a Chinese economic bailout of Japan which results in the country becoming a puppet of China.
And what if in the next few months the situation in North Africa worsens?
Qaddafi is not going anywhere it seems, not without the US taking him out. And the secular revolt against his secular leadership is not going to be enough to stop him.
So what if the only other option for the revolutionaries is to turn to the radical islamist terrorists?
A sweeping new Islamic Revolution that takes control of Libya and Tunisia, spreads to Egypt and Yemen, eventually to the Palestinians in Israel. Then the US will be forced to intervene.
But by then gas prices are close to 10 dollars a gallon and the hit on our economy is huge.
Still, the US will go down defending Israel, so away we go. To fight against the people that we were just recently supporting when they were revolting against their oppressive governments.
We move our military might to Israel, leaving Afghanistan and Iraq exposed. The revolutionary feeling spreads to those countries as well as the people are not happy with their US controlled puppet governments.
We find out that its all been orchestrated by Iran who has allied with China and Korea in order to secretly help bring the US to its knees.
Because with the US busy trying to fight off WW3 in Israel, the China backed Koreans will invade the west coast of the US.

The director should've had the balls to stick with a decision instead of using CGI to completely change his movie. OR they could've done the smart thing and not even attempted to remake it, because we all know we don't want or need another remake of a movie we saw years ago.

I sound childish, I know. Where i'm from, we've got big problems. The U.S, it has big problems, too. But Holy Christ, I get the howling fantods when we all start bowing to some evil totalitarian
state because a studio wants a film to do better business there. Guess what? China is too big to give a damn what a country like America (or anyone else, save Russia) thinks. We've passed this point already. Way to look scared.

US comes under massive terrorist nuke attack and is greatly crippled, Us comes under attack from a variety of nations and forces who each try to get their own piece of America and ultimate supremacy.
North Korea, Iran, Mexican Drug Cartels, Goldman Sachs and Oprah

why are they re-making it?
Never mind.
It's some 80s crap, right? You all adored it when you were in diapers. Spielberg or Zemeckis or Hughes or something. Am I warm?
It was very influential on J.J. Abrams.
Charlie Sheen was in it.
Still no?
Eh, whatever.

instead of trying to hammer in some lame idea about present day Chinese or N. Korean military forces invading. They could have set it in the not so distant future, maybe around the last decade of this century or in the very early 2100's or so.
This way they could have created some new and skewed socio-political climates to explain the reasoning for an invasion of the United States. Maybe 75-100 years from now, some new superpowers and national alliances have formed and are antagonistic towards the US? There would be dwindling resources or something that could force other nations to wage wars and invade other nations in this near future world.
The writers could have used this as an opportunity to image all kinds of new speculative military tech to be incorporated into the film. Stuff like more varieties and types of land, sea, and air war drones. Cyberwarfare would be another element that is relevant now, yet wasn't an element of the original Red Dawn.
Of course, this new film could still have your basic tanks, manned fighters, ground based rural and urban firefights, The Wolverines, etc. It would have been a neat way to still do a Red Dawn remake while sneakily doing a hard sci-fi war film that for once didn't have alien invaders or genocidal and rebellious robots doing the invading. All they'd of had to do was make the invading force some new type of Communist nation's military and the "red" in Red Dawn would still fit.

Yeah sure North Korea is a thorn in everyone's ass but they are in no position to mount an invasion of the U.S. unless the film takes place a few decades in the future and North Korea has taken over South Korea and maybe a few other countries.
There are enemy regimes around the world today that are more dangerous. In fact a far more plausible antagonist would be a triad of Iran, Venezuela and North Korea. Throw in Cuba for good measure and you'd have a decent plot and you couldn't be accused of singling out one group/country.
We're China's biggest customer of goods so they would be biting the hand that feeds them. Even so, they have a huge standing army and are working on things like stealth aircraft. If they're just trying to sell product throughout the world, why would they be constantly expanding their military? Who are they afraid of?

.. arent worth it. Changing flags... what about uniforms, dialogue, names of characters.... this is fucking retarded.
So was the idea to remake this film in the first place.
Yes we musnt offend a foreign country who is fucking us by playing games with their currency and helping wreck our own fucking economy ....with a movie.

Come on.
You're not gonna make me watch the clip to figure it out are you?
Whatever it is, it sucked, right? But the new one will suck harder because the Smiff kids are in it, whipping their hair? Right?
It's a travesty!
Hollywood!
Used to be so good thirty years ago. Now they just suck.

And had IRAQ join forces with Terrorists and they invade America right after 9/11 before we have a chance to invade them. In our reality, give Saddam weapons of mass destruction, but no way to deploy them - that's where the terrorist come in. It wouldn't take much to get this movie going to where before you knew it we have a full on invasion in the aftermath of losing a few of our major cities.

When you left you told thatchicken that you were going to work because you had to pay taxes so that he could get his welfare checks. <p>
Now, I'm not trying to start anything, but as a black man, do you get frustrated with your own people since statistically they are the largest share of welfare recipients? Not starting shit, but I had to get this crumb off my brain and ask this before my beddie bye, and I'm genuinely curious about this.

I just checked the stats and most people on welfare are white. I just learned something and broke one of my own stereotypes. The more you know. But I'd still be curious as to how you feel about the black community as a black Republican, ccchhhhrrriiiisssmmm.

I'm really eager to hear his thoughts on protectionism and artificially devalued currencies.
Or if he got around to checking out Lisa Bonet's bush yet.
Either way, I'll be waiting here with an oilcan of Foster's in my left hand and fat engorged cock in my right.

As eloquently explained by many of the readers above, and an even worst idea for trying to change the enemy from Chinese to North Korean. Talk about racist. I guess Chinese and Koreans look and sound alike?!?!? Just cgi the flags and we're good to go! The American audience (I would like to think) is a bit more worldly enough to tell the difference. I hope it just goes straight to DVD and/or the trash bin.

Because they may look alike to white eyes but not to Chinese or Koreans. And they speak entirely fucking different languages, so are they going to re-dub any non-English spoken dialogue? Fucking stupid! Only in Hollyweird...

Agreed. I doubt white Hollywood will waste dollars to do any digital altering just to appease "a few Asians". I mean, it's a remake of an 80's American propaganda film ... cultural sensitivity isn't even on the concern list. Tits, ass, lotsa splosions, and a big opening weekend is probably the main concern. Perhaps the American audience isn't smart enough to tell the difference ... sad.

And at this point they should have gone full out alternative history. Is the entire communist and latin american world united against us. And even then they could barely get here in a pinch short of the US already embroiled in civil war (keep banning unions such as in Wisconsin and passing anti democracy laws such as in Michigan and see what happens...).
But the first movie had the chinese on our side (absurd in that they would not choose sides and probably wait the fight out). And the second one looks to be choosing the stupid scenario of the recent videogame that came out called Homefront where North Korea invades the US... Even more absurd in theres no way that couldnt happen in a hundred years. Might as well make a scenario where Jamaica invades us...
At least the first movie rides out its barely believable story with style and cool actors.

I had sent him info that something like this was going happen back around May/Jun 2010. Then I saw him post anticipating this movie so I guess he chose not to believe the information I sent.
For all of you thinking they're going to CGI Chinese into Koreans... you do know all the actors playing Chinese are already Korean? NAd do you really think the rest of the world see the difference? You guys must be Korean to even suggest it.
This has nothing to do with politics. It's all about money. If you read the LA Times article it said the Chinese government had no involvement with this decision. Every studio knows China is now the second largest money maker for the movies that do get shown in the Chinese box office. Within this decade the Chinese box office will be bigger than the US and be the number one movie market in the world. Since you guys are all doing you bit to pirate illegal movies at home, you're to blame why Hollywood has to look to the foreign market not only for box office but money to make movies now.

Sure the studios aren't a government agency or subsidized by Uncle Sam, but we the people still pay for these movies in that we buy the tickets. Ultimately, if we stop going to the theater and buying or renting DVD's and Blu-rays then they stop making money.
Thing is, that doesn't seem to be enough, as the endless remake bullshit is getting way out of hand. This Red Dawn crap where they think they'll just change a few Chinese flags and insignia on the uniforms and minor things like that and pass off the enemy characters in the film as N. Koreans is not only laughably stupid, but also really insulting to their supposed audience's intelligence, even to the uneducated masses demographic.
Another thing is that the insult to China in regards to this movie's villains has already been made. The second they announced this thing a couple years back, and proceeded to actually make the damn movie about Chinese forces invading the good old US of A, the die was cast. It is not like the info that the movie was to feature Chinese invaders is exactly top secret either. Otherwise we wouldn't be reading and talking about it now.
But if people can protest stuff like Scorsese's Passion of the Christ, why couldn't there be a protest over Red Dawn, and stupidly conceived remakes in general?

Well, I can't speak for others, but I've never pirated a movie. It is not worth the effort really. If it is a film I don't feel the need to purchase, I'll just rent it from Blockbuster or Netflix.
A lot of film buffs, geeks, etc. not only see but buy more movies than the average moviegoer. Also, Hollywood was initially slow, although not as molasses-ass slow as the music industry was, to adopt online and new delivery methods for purchase or rental of films and TV shows. That has put them behind a bit up until more recently. Also, with the recession, people are trying to save a bit more, hence, less movie buying/renting as well as trips to the theater.
As for China being a bigger market, they have more people. Same thing is happening over there with General Motors. Their biggest market is now China.

May somethin or other and that we should mark our calendars. This coupled with japan going godzilla level meltdown and combined with the tremendous spike in mysterious animal deaths even when you look at a huge timeline of animal deaths all points to one thing gentlemen. S.P.E.C.T.O.R.

it explains everything. Quit being in denial, or more amatuer muppet-babies inception and wannabee-torture will be thrown your way...confess! Nothing in life is complex! And people are mo... i mean movies are people too..i mean...distinction...SIMPLE distinction...i mean!?...i tried to rape a teenage leper finding himself once but it didn't go according to plan, the little fucker got right away and well now its a massive blow to my confidence i couldn't locate the butthole so ill blow it all open here anything to get the mean climate and dad out my brain and away from mother dammit! BRAVEHEART! FREEDOM of my erect north pole! etc. and such, and so on...on and on...

made a fucking adult deceision? What the fuck is the point of this ridiculous film exactly? To try even harder to turn the Chinese into America's enemy? Do you guys love having enemies that much?
Im not saying China is a saint (but then neither is any country), but a film like this is stupid, ill timed, and seriously out of date.
What kind of fucking retarded moron thinks remaking an exteremly cold war era film makes any sense?
With all the shit going on in the world, and the economic troubles, do we really need propaganda bullshit like this to help worsen relations between countries? America and China could do way more good for the world working together imho, so as far as Im concerned this film can fuck right off....

hows this for an idea...why dont you insult the Koreans. You know? Those guys in the Southern half that have been one of your staunchest allies for the past 6 decades?
Lets show them how white people cant tell the difference between Chinese and Korean people (something Koreans really hate btw) ....
Gosh..I hope they portray the Chinese portraying Koreans as being utterly inhuman, blood thirsty basterds. That way the continuing saga of how to win friends and influence people may continue....

My son Odin is Korean, so I am not going to see it now since it is offensive not so much to me, but my wallet. Seriously can not believe this! Slightly less mad since his grandparents Ar actually from South Korea, but still!!??

Jesus Christ can the catty whiteboy libtard guilt-tripping get any thicker in here? The was a study that examined this and asians had just as much trouble telling the Chinese and Koreans apart as non-asians.
Sensitive NPR whiteboys; think for a second and ask yourself if you could tell a German from an Englishman just by looking at them.

N. Korea can't feed their population and have serious economic problems. How would they and why would they invade the US? Have them invade S. Korea or Japan... They should cut their loses and drop the film now. What a stupid idea in the first place to remake Red Dawn.
Also can you "I only speak up because I'm online" types just shut up. Looking at the guy calling people NPR whiteboys... Look I get it... You're a stupid shit head. Have you listened to NPR?
It's good shit, sure it's not crazy or over the top like Fox news, but it's solid. This move is pathetic and shows that America, like it or not is China's bottom bitch. So they chicken out and pick N. Korea which makes no fucking sense.

It's just pretty fucking stupid to make a movie and then change the race/nationality of half your cast AFTER the fact! (But the idea that Koreans and Chinese are inter-changeable is pretty galling!) This is just one more reason not to watch this piece of shit remake of a (overly-fondly remembered) piece of shit 80's action movie. (and the first film was, without a doubt, a ridiculous, jingoistic, Ronald Reagan flag-waving, piece of shit.) The cult-classic line "Wolver-iiiiiines!" is the ONLY redeeming value to that movie. (And I saw it in the theaters during it's initial release!) This movie will bomb, mostly because it will suck, but also because people, despite what Hollywood thinks, are not complete idiots...

Doubtful this will get much of an international release, and even here in the U.S. it will probably be limited or simply go straight to Netflix/Redbox. Frankly, with the Cold War long over and all, this remake and the casting of China as the enemy simply makes America, us Americans, look even more like d-bags to the rest of the world. (And logically, why would the Chinese even invade militarily? That would be akin to a landlord going to war with his tenant, destroying his own property in the process.)
It's long time that we Americans get over whining about and fearing about being The Victim. The only Real Enemy we have left is ourselves. There will never be another equivalent enemy to this country.

What the hell does that mean? huh? China is here, I don't even know what the hell that means, all I know is this "Lo Pan" character comes out of thin air in the middle of a goddamn alley while his buddies are flying around on wires cutting everybody to shreds, and he just stands there waiting for me to drive my truck straight through him, with light coming out of his mouth!

You know, the people that there are over a billion of and who control much of the world's oil and wealth? Hello hollywood, remember the Muslims? Of course they aren't united, but setting it an unspecified number of years in the future and suggesting that the USA has fallen into a prolonged economic decline could make it more plausible that the whole middle east/south west asia might have had time to unify and attack the USA. Any other enemy makes no sense, because what could they have to gain from occupying America? Even the USSR was a stretch as a credible invader. But with a fanatical religion there doesn't have to be a rational purpose, just chalk it up to "jihad" and it all makes sense. There is even the historical precedent of the crusades to cite as evidence of the movie's plausibility. And if the studios were afraid of coming off as anti-muslim, then make one or two of the wolverines muslim-Americans. Simple.

Firs tof all, it's wrong to lup all koreans as if they are only one country. there's two, north and south. Secondly, (south) korea makes about 70% of all cars which are labeled americans. You think you are buying a Chevrolet? You are in fact buying a Daewoo (or Opel) rebranded. It's like with Chrysler, if you think you are buying one, chances are you are buying a rebranded Fiat or Lancia.
Seems only cars america really produces are trucks or nostalgia muscle cars or Ford F-150 pick-up trucks.

i would crack about the Sendai earthquake and tsunami, if i hadn't seen the images of it's destruction and it's aftermaths, including the nuclear reactors explosions. Frankly, it's a bit too soon, ol' chap.

...of course, that plunges the world into one fuck of a depression. Ditto with a war against China. World economy collapses when the two largest economies destroy each other.
The truth is, the majority of our trade deficit is being caused by our dependency on foreign oil.

They fixed it get over it. A Red Dawn remake was problematic to begin without the Russians now its just idiotic. Dark Knight had China's politics being a stumbling block as well as Chinese bad guys and that made half a billion dollars. People need to stop worrying about the international those people have shit movie makers, they pray for big action spectaculars why do you think most of the bombs here tend to make their money back overseas?

You "it's just a movie" coment, i'd like to know how much it would hold up if somebody abroad made amovie where americans are bloodthirsty invaders who want to rob the freedom and land and riches of your USA. I'd like to know how much fun you would have at it. I'd like to know how fast your "it's just a movie" argument would evaporate.

Are ridiculous. The majority are always complaining about republicans and tea party, but I don't see one of you morons mentioning how your beloved Obama has basically fucked you all over and is giving handouts to the RIAA. Expect to see the majority of the movie and tv sites you visit removed from the Internet or worse. Oh, and it's going to be a felony to watch streaming video that is against copyright or something. Did you read that, you stupid morons?
The majority of politicians don't give a fuck about you. It's not just the Republicans. You just like to single them out because they usually get the conservative Christian vote (most of you are against organised religion and eAtheists) and are wealthy.
Don't be fooled, your friends the "liberals" are just as wealthy, if not more. What did you think they'd do in this day and age, put the poor in charge of the government?
Morons. Get a fucking clue already.

Usually ignorant, uninformed and sometimes outright hateful and racist.
I never considered this board to be leftist in any way. In fact my own more moderate opinions are often rebuffed here.
You want something totally Beck-fest, post crap on Yahoo. I think the Fox News crowd LIVE there.

Frankly, I couldn't possibly care less what American audiences want to see (although I can think of several things they need to see, or should be forced to see). I was making a statement about how ridiculous and psychologically revealing this entire invasion premise is when it's the Americans who are the ones consistently doing the invading of various third world countries. It's called satire. Look it up.

you are playing the same attack politics that the right and left both engage in. This left vs. right dichotomy is exactly what our rich masters want us to be engaged in so that we don't realize what they are up to. Just like the Republicans who were voted in last year under the premise of job creation and all they've done so far is implement their secret agenda to dismantle the middles class. WAKE UP, PEOPLE!

You know, I was interested in watching this movie though I'd begun to wonder if the rumors that the reason the film wasn't being released was because everyone is afraid of China. I guess that was true.
SO, if Big Entertainment wants to bow and grovel at the Chinese feet to make this an unbelievable movie about North Korea being the invader (BWAH!HA!HA!HA!HA!), then I can safely fart in the direction of this movie and take my money somewhere else.

Don't you get it!
There is no China, America, Republican, Democrat, Capitalist, Communist.
It is US vs. THEM and.....
THEY LIVE!
WE DIE!
Grab a fucking deer rifle while you are still allowed and....
"Run to the Hills! Run for your liiiiiiiiiiiife!"
"Die with your boots on!"
"Live to fly. Fly to live. Do or Die."

There were a lot of scenes that just seemed out of place at times with that movie. I do wonder though if it was the swearing as well as the graphic sexual nature of the comment, ok graphic for the 80s, that set her off. They are two farm girls and the way they are presented makes me think they were probably home schooled or something like that. They are probably not used to people talking like that around them. I don't know if there is a director's cut or not or if its like the Hooper autopsy scene in Jaws where we get one line that is out of place then have to wait til Bryan Singer of all people gets the balls to ask Spielberg what the fuck that was all about.

The chances of there ever being another land invasion again are precisely nil.
North Korea with their 2.5m forces wouldn't make it across the Pacific - the US would erase them from existence with airstrikes, and then wipe NK off the face of the earth with a nuclear strike.
Even if they did make it across, they wouldn't even make it through California. It's not just about technology, or the forces America can put on the ground. It's about the national guard, every metro PD, the FBI, the DHS, the ATF - not to mention such a high percentage of the american public having guns themselves. Any invading force landing on US soil would be torn apart before they'd lost sight of the coast. It's totally and utterly implausible.
It was ridiculous in 1984 - now, it's absolutely out of the question, never going to happen, completely bat-shit crazy.

but what's the alternative? He's already governing as a left of center moderate. A true liberal can't win, and a moderate republican won't get the nomination because the other party is run by the loony wing. Nope. I'll hold my nose and vote for the guy just to keep the religious nut you guys nominate out of that job.

...Pretend to be Christian and go to an old, closed down Baptist church that's been reopened and updated as the "Korean Baptist Church" complete with blocky/scribbly writing on the sign? Have to open a crappy little bodega store selling weird-looking Asian vegetables and off-brand "onion soda". Have to constantly scream at my wife in Korean in front of customers? Buy a ridiculously large, crappily-built McMansion and move the entire extended family in? Drive a Mercedes Benz so I'll have "face"? Just asking.

...The Englishman would be wearing a tweed suit and bowler hat and be mincingly running after a double-decker bus whilst holding an umbrella, while the German would have a handlebar moustache and wear lederhosen and a monocle. Easy!

It's been going on for awhile now. Slumdog Millionaire was all but handed an Oscar just a few months after Indian companies began giving funding to a lot of Hollywood studios/production companies and let's not forget the ongoing onslaught of terrible big budget Travolta and Nic Cage movies that flop in the United States and do massive box office elsewhere. You might be able to blame the United States for the was in Iraq, but the rest of the world must fess up to giving us the atrocities of From Paris With Love and Season of the Witch.

Picked it up the other day. There is a part of the game where you make your way through a detention camp in a high school stadium. The banners say "WOLVERINES!"
For those that care, single player is very linear and short. You will play through sections over and over again until you learn the spawn points of soldiers that kill you from behind.
The multiplayer is a cross between Battlefield and COD. Not bad, but COD Black Ops is much more polished.
If you really love those games, Homefront will be likely be a disappointment. But it's worth a rent.

Milk, Benjamin Button, and Frost/Nixon over Slumdog (the Reader was just awful). I feel with Slumdog the same way I feel with the TV movie of Stephen King's It. The scenes with the characters when they are kids are amazing, but the scenes as adults are terrible. It's like a terribly cloying soap opera when the kids grow up, but I guess a lot of morons fall for that.

....then we're just going to have to agree to disagree....because those 3 films are films I couldn't watch a second time. Button and Frost/Nixon were okay upon first viewing, but I'd never watch them again. Slumdog had originality, and that counts for something. It wasn't the same story being told by Hollywood over and over again. <p>
And Benjamin Button was nothing more than Forrest Gump redux.

...to show that the women weren't going to let the men continue to treat them like high school girls. They were demanding to be treated as equal partners in this new enterprise.
It wasn't the specifics of what Sheen said to Grey that pissed off Thompson. It was the fact that Sheen was being dismissive of Grey's opinions. If any of the other men voiced an objected, there would be an argument, but when Grey voiced an objection Sheen tried to dismiss her and "put her in her place".
Under the new paradigm of being guerilla warriors out on the run from Cuban commandos, that wasn't gonna fly with the women.
Now, maybe the script or the acting didn't convey that idea as well as I think it did, but that's what I got from those scenes.

Remember, at the very beginning of the movie Milius sets the stage by describing a series of world-destabilizing events that have occurred in the movie, but never occurred in real-life.
The movie never suggests that the invasion could happen under the real-world geo-political situation, as it actually existed at the time.
The movie was suggesting that an invasion COULD THEORETICALLY be possible IF certain other conditions were met first.
Whether the hypothetical conditions he set up were sufficient are, of course, up for debate. However, I don't think it's reasonable to say that "it could never happen", any more than it would be reasonable to say, "Hitler could NEVER have won World War II".
It all depends on other parameters and other decisions going a different way from the ways they went in real-life.

...in the original movie (if my memory is correct) we don't know what's happened on the coasts and the more populated areas. Maybe the Russians nuked most of the US military's defense forces first. The Colorado invasion was, I presume, a very small part of the total war (which explains why it was left for the Cubans rather than the main Russian forces.)
I would agree that it can be argued that Milius should have given the audience more information, and confirmed if nukes had been used in his hypothetical scenario.
On the other hand, it could also be argued that the audience should only have as much information as the characters in the movie. If the characters don't know how the Russians were able to get a toe-hold, then neither should the audience.

Disguised as a communication sattelite, fucking up all electronics and communications across the US? That is actually a pretty neat way to attack America. If Korea could fry all electronics and then get in there with still functioning equipment, they could really wreck some shit.

Tax rates were much higher for the wealthy in your beloved good'ol days than they are now.
That's one thing the good old days got right. That and delicious apple pie. And voluptuous women.
Higher tax rates for the wealthy, fruit pies, and voluptuous women.

I think it would be safe to assume that this hypothetical invasion of the continental US would not be the only theatre in the entire war. Unless the hypothetical scenario we're operating under is COMPLETELY retarded, I think it's safe to assume that the belligerent would be engaging US forces overseas as well to prevent them from joining the battle at home.
That's not to say that the hypothetical scenario in the upcoming movie won't be completely retarded. If they can change the nationality of the belligerent this late in the game, it's pretty safe to say that they didn't spend too much time thinking the scenario through to come up with a plausible alternate history.

N.Korea does not have the ability or logistical know how to engage the United States forces on a worldwide basis. Therefore if US forces could not come home, it would have to be another very large force tying us up. A very large force. Not some camel kissing terrorist strike.
There are only two options. Russia or China.
If it is Russia pulling the strings why bother involving the Chinese? If it is china, why change the movie?

It's not just a question of trickle-down economics. It's a question of telling all the wealth-generators in the US "we don't want you". You go ahead and do that - you don't need an economics degree to figure out what will happen. Anyone who is able to, will leave - taking their tax with them, taking the jobs their companies create, and leaving a piss-stained vacuum in their wake.
And that piss-stained vacuum my friend will be your future. Doomed, to wander around a piss-stained vacuum for the rest of your life.
Good luck with that.

It was stipulated nukes were used and even on China. There was also talk that the US was able to rebound somewhere in the middle of the country. It was also a very timed multi-prong invasion from Texas all the way into Mid-West. I think it was even hinted Mexico had something to do with the Invasion working as well, probably paid off the security guards at the border to get a good chunk of people into Texas to cause mayhem. Use Cuba as the base of operations to fly in support. Granted, the US even back then would detect them from radar, but if the Russians know what bases to hit as well as signal towers, they could get a foothold into the US.
You could invade America now if you are able to have enough resistance cells to cause chaos in major cities as well at certain border stops. You use an EMP blast, but the problem is you are getting one city out of hundreds. Even if you shut down DC and NY, you still have military bases along the east coast who can mobilize. The best bet is create enough problems in at least one major city in each state that they have to use the Reserves. Once the Reserves are out, you can begin the invasion by attacking the unoccupied bases as well as specific air strikes at certain communication targets. You would need at least three large aircraft carriers and be close enough to the coast that your planes can make runs deep into the states without losing fuel. You can use nukes to clean up areas that are difficult to fight through like NY, DC, LA and so on or use the nukes to force the Americans into fights where you have the tatical advantage. To do all of this nonsense, you would need the entire USA Navy to be asleep at the wheel in the Atlantic, Pacific and Gulf of Mexico as well as know that you are never going to hold the country without getting nukes as well as losing 85% of your strength through nuclear poisoning and resistance. You also need a President who is willing to surrender and contrary to popular belief Obama isn't that guy.

I'm thinking more hypothetically, like what if the Norks were just one part of a coalition of belligerents, etc, and what other changes are there to the geo-political reality in this hypothetical alternate history. Stuff like that.

Even if they had multiple battlefield nukes as well as the ability to strike domestic silos, they could not take out U.S. ability to retaliate, or did some forget the submarines?
Just motarded to even consider such a scenario.

America is still the biggest consumer market in the world. the people and corporations you are talking about are dependent upon the American consumer. I doubt they will walk away and then expect to send their goods overseas without any repercussions, i.e. tariffs. Not to mention that there won't be a strong consumer market in this country if all the wealth continues to be concentrated in the hands of a few.
We need some shared sacrifice in this country right now and that includes the wealthy.

Every commander in the field would get home as quickly as possible.
It would have to be Russia and or China providing the necessary power and forces to stop the US from destroying the norks.
Using china is a motarded move given the fact that the United States is the largest export market for chinese goods, just try and buy something from walmart that aint made in china.But china still makes loads more sense than norks. They would have to turn history on its ass. for this to be barely plausible

You're saying that even though income inequality is higher than it's been in 100 years, and the most wealthy (like me) pay less in taxes than at any point in generations, and the Bush tax cuts cost more than both wars combined, we need to give the rich extra tax breaks so we don't hurt their feelings? SO THEY DON'T TAKE THEIR FUCKING MARBLES AND GO HOME?!
Are you in the top 2% bracket, or do you just have Stockholm syndrome?
Fuck that.

Yes I remember, and I'm sure the new one will do the same. but geopolitical shocks or no, the fact remains that the US's fighting capability would not disappear overnight. I take on board your analogy, but I would argue that once the US became involved in WWII there literally was 'no way' Hitler could have won. From 1941 onwards it was just a war of attrition, and a question of how many would die. The only possible way Hitler could have hoped to win is if he had the Russians on board - and *even then* I believe the US would have emerged victorious, albeit with incredible losses.
In the same way, there is no way the South could have won the Civil War - they just never had any chance in the long term. It was a testament to the brilliance of General Lee that they lasted as long as they did, but the Union never really was in any serious danger. As Shelby Foote put it, "the union fought with one hand behind their back". Once the "sleeping dragon was awoken" as Hirohito put it, the US could very well have torn Japan and Germany off the map. In general people have no clear understanding of just how much stronger the US is than the rest of the world.
I do like alternate history, but I think sometimes you have to accept the unlikelihood of events going any other way other than the way they went...

...Thousands of college age Israelis working at mall kiosks across America selling Dead Sea Salt skin cream suddenly, at a pre-ordained moment, open storage cupboards and pull out Uzi's. The invasion is on!

"We were initially very reluctant to make any changes," said Tripp Vinson, one of the movie's producers. "But after careful consideration we constructed a way to make a scarier, smarter and more dangerous 'Red Dawn' that we believe improves the movie."
Whatever you say comrade!

Libby, I like how your subject lines get longer and longer as you lose control.
The hate is swelling in you now, and my cock swells with it.
Give in to your anger. With each passing moment you make yourself more my servant...

You just gotta be careful who you smack down. Some people are harbor resentment for years and they'll make it their life's mission to knock you.
Look at DocPazuzu. Pwned him in 2006 and he still ain't over it.

i'm with you we'll take down choppah together
i just saw rango today and it got me in the mood for an old fashioned gunfight. we're calling you out choppah. we're jimmy stewart and john wayne to your lee marvin

This liberal warrior really is one retarded ass clown isn't he? He must be a friend of kobe's...the two of them sit there and try to sound intelligent by coming up with...ahem...."clever" insults?
Nothing we have not heard before a hundred times by a hundred other stupid attention seeking trolls.
Get a new act, the one your playing is old and stale and no one is impressed.
Let us pity the mentally challenged, kobe, liberal warrior, and all the other foul mouthed tiny brained trolls that come here cause they are such lonely little boys.

It made more money than the Terminator at the box office, #20 for the year, and sold even bigger on video for decades. It still sells dvds at every Walmart and plays on basic cable. It is culturally regarded as a quintessential 80s action film, just as much as Top Gun or Rambo. The specops task force that captured Hussein was named after it, grouped into Wolverine 1 and Wolverine 2. It opened at #1 despite having unknowns as actors, and those actors went on to star in megahits like Dirty Dancing, Ghost, Point Break, Platoon, Wall Street, the Hot Shots franchise, Back To The Future and Tombstone. Only C Thomas Howell didn't achieve much success, and even he was in movies like the Hitcher that found audiences on video.

Box office numbers do not reflect quality...if that was the case then Transformers 2 is one of the greatest movies ever made.....but we all know that is bullshit.
Killing careers also has nothing to do with quality...and who's careers did it kill? Swayze went on to some great success, as did nutso Chuck Sheen. The rest of them never had anything great as it was, but still they all had some success after that film (Lea Thompson in some movies called..umm...BACK TO THE FUTURE), so i am not seeing your point in any way.
It's a great film, period.

The South Koreans aren't even afraid of the North Koreans, except those that live close to the border (especially after the incident in November). My co-workers at my Korean middle school hardly mentioned the last shelling. Fact is, they know that the second the North gives an actual effort at making good on their big words, the USA, the UN, and most every other nation will shut them down. China will back off because they know that supporting the Kim (father or son) regime will not fly on a global economic or political scale if they step out of line in a major way. North Korea will fall, and steps towards the long-awaited reunification will result. Words and the occasional dickpunch is all North Korea has to keep themselves afloat, and unfortunately it's working.
Also, digitally altering your movie to be more palatable has already been proven idiotic by South Park. Move along.

Why didn't you told me you are yourstepdaddy?Of course i'm cool with you. Even with your disavantages (liking Mi:3??? Yeeewwww!!!). I don't hate CLOVERFIELD, by the way, i just find it, well, underwhleming seen a second time, if you get my meaning. Still, Matt Reeves is 10 times the director that Abrams will ever be, and i'm no fan of Reeves.

Me, i see the movie as a parabol about the Vietnam War, with the USA being Vietnam and a bunhc of young americans as the vietcong. It's as if the movie wanted to tell us, to teach us what the war from the Charlie side was like, by telling it as a parabol. As in "those vietnamistes were doing the same thing we would do in their place".
But the thing that really sold me to this movie were two things:
1- The movie shows the tooll that this type of guerrilla fighting does on the people. The group is seen as very sucessful, and yet things start to fall apart mostly due to exhaustion and shell shock. By the end of the movie, the poor kids have all snapped. some still got enough energy to muster an escape, but rhose who were really over the hill decided to do a suicide attack to casue a diversion and let the others escape.
2- And despiste the fame the mvoie has, the movie is actually very gracious in it's portiat of the enemies. The movie doesn't rtreat the enemies as evil. The cuban commander start shooting people to force the civilians to collaborate, and yet we see he's disturbed by the killings he orders and they do take a toll on his soul. By the end, he writes a very moving letter to his wife, expessing in his words the similiar thoughs of too many an american commander in Vietnam who came to the conclusion the war they were fighting was unwinnable and unglorious. and then we have that great character the spetnaz commander played by Conan's father. He stops right away the killing of civilians, as it's barbaric and produces no results whatsoever, on the contrary. And then he's seen as the movie's most badass soldier. And he's incredibly smart and imaginative inthe way he breaks the wolverines and put them on the run.
I do resent the people who just see the movie as fascist, also i resent those who justn see it as an action movie. Both who do that have not really seen the movie.
RED DAWN was made at a specific time, a time when thanks to Regan's cowboy bullshit rhetoric, it seems that the cold war was going to re-escalate again, and a big fear of the "evil commies under he bed" was re-ignated. Which was later to be just that, a whole pile of stupid paranoia bullshit that only served the interests of the manufactorers and sellers of weapons (SDI, anyone?).
But RED DAWN was made at that time, in that re-sparkled cold war times in the early to mid-80s.
Today, what possible global socio-political scenario can justify a remake of RED DAWN? It's just stupid. Making a Red Dawn about an invasion of Martians would make more sense then from Chineses or, even more stupidly, North Koreans. This shit is just beyond stupid.
And if we are going to talk about underated almost unseen John Milius movies, then i should also mention FAREWELL TO THE KING.

First off, calling me an asshole, uncalled for, but whatever you are who you are.
Second....Why don't you explain to me, since I am obviously not in the know, exactly how box office equates to quality?
Come on genius, let's hear it!