HarveyH55 wrote:Now, apply that average locally, and what percentage of the planet actually experiences that climate, ever? How often? Do you sort of see how meaningless those numbers really are,

I think you consider 14C as a rough global average to be meaningless when you compare one part of Earth to another, in a different season, on a different day. That fair?What about compared to the moon?

How about we try to get some definitions and common understanding on the board.

Can you ever know the exact temperature of anything and is the temperature of anything ever perfectly uniform. I'd say that's No and No.

Me thinks you can't even define 'climate', much less 'climate change'. You keep shifting the meaning of 'climate' around.

HarveyH55 wrote:Now, apply that average locally, and what percentage of the planet actually experiences that climate, ever? How often? Do you sort of see how meaningless those numbers really are,

I think you consider 14C as a rough global average to be meaningless when you compare one part of Earth to another, in a different season, on a different day. That fair?What about compared to the moon?

How about we try to get some definitions and common understanding on the board.

Can you ever know the exact temperature of anything and is the temperature of anything ever perfectly uniform. I'd say that's No and No.

Perhaps you ignored the point I was making. Your global average rarely applies in Florida, ever. Just occasionally in the winter, usually at night,at that. I don't believe your global average, really applies to an where on earth either. The polar regions don't rise above freezing, rarely, at best. Do you see how your 'average' never applies in a practical sense to a vast portion of the planet surface? You claim it represents the entire planet, but it clearly never does, it's just a fun number on paper, of no actual use or value.

I was talking to ITN after we'd just discussed. But sure I see little difference. "Temperature change" indeedA static temperature as a concept does fall within ITNs limited library of platitudes along with theory which will never meet method

I was talking to ITN after we'd just discussed. But sure I see little difference. "Temperature change" indeedA static temperature as a concept does fall within ITNs limited library of platitudes along with theory which will never meet method

I was talking to ITN after we'd just discussed. But sure I see little difference. "Temperature change" indeedA static temperature as a concept does fall within ITNs limited library of platitudes along with theory which will never meet method

gfm7175 wrote:Okay. Let's discuss the topic of this thread, then. The thread is entitled "Why don't people take individual action to help stop climate change?"Let's start off by defining our terms. What is "climate change"?

OK do you acknowledge that the Earth and our Moon have different "Climates"?

GasGuzzler wrote:

tmiddles wrote:OK do you acknowledge that the Earth and our Moon have different "Climates"?

First you describe Earth's climate and I'll tell you if the moon is different. Fair enough?

You guys not actually want to debate this? Are you only interested in establishing that we cannot debate it?

Everything can be said to have an average temperature and a temperature range at a given moment and over any time frame.

For the Earth it's annual orbit around the sun is the largest period which repeats, 365 days, and one revolution per day, 24 hrs, the smallest.

gfm7175 wrote:Okay. Let's discuss the topic of this thread, then. The thread is entitled "Why don't people take individual action to help stop climate change?"Let's start off by defining our terms. What is "climate change"?

OK do you acknowledge that the Earth and our Moon have different "Climates"?

GasGuzzler wrote:

tmiddles wrote:OK do you acknowledge that the Earth and our Moon have different "Climates"?

First you describe Earth's climate and I'll tell you if the moon is different. Fair enough?

You guys not actually want to debate this? Are you only interested in establishing that we cannot debate it?

Everything can be said to have an average temperature and a temperature range at a given moment and over any time frame.

For the Earth it's annual orbit around the sun is the largest period which repeats, 365 days, and one revolution per day, 24 hrs, the smallest.