Jan. 20
08:27 am JST

Jan. 20
08:52 am JST

How does releasing an audio recording of the pilots prove that the SK ship locked an FCR? Even if the two pilots say that they have detected an FCR, that is not an evidence that they have. I can't believe how utterly incompetent the J-govt. is. Their way of thinking is so childish.

Jan. 20
09:03 am JST

I can't believe how utterly incompetent the J-govt. is. Their way of thinking is so childish.

SK is the childish one. This is all yet another smokescreen to whip up anti-Japan feeling to avoid the coup against Moon. Why cant Korea just admit they locked the radar on the planes, that the order was issued from the top, and apologize to the terrified Japanese pilots?

Jan. 20
09:36 am JST

Jan. 20
09:42 am JST

I think, If Japan has more evidences, show as many as possible to the world and If S Korea has any evidences show as many as possible to the world. I heard the warship did not film/record the incident. The warship has many cameras to all directions, I wonder why they did not film whole rescuing activity and flying J plane. I'm really surprised at most parts of the video were filmed by Japan surveillance and S Korea Coast Guard filmed only 10 seconds of flying high plane.

Jan. 20
09:54 am JST

IloveCoffeeToday 08:52 am JST

How does releasing an audio recording of the pilots prove that the SK ship locked an FCR? Even if the two pilots say that they have detected an FCR, that is not an evidence that they have. I can't believe how utterly incompetent the J-govt. is. Their way of thinking is so childish.

Arguing even though not knowing the difference between FC radar and search radar?

Who is the one that is childish?

Since FC radar is used for targeting, the audio will be a near constant sound while search radar will sound like a blip sound since the radar is search the entire surrounding.

Audio recording sound is the sound of the receiving antenna picking up the radar frequency.

Jan. 20
10:40 am JST

I've heard this. Vietnam government has been demanding apology and compensation to S Korean government for a long time, but S Korea never apologized so far about Lai Dai Han during Vietnam war. S Korea never admits the S Koreans massacre there because it has stupid egos.

Jan. 20
10:41 am JST

@Triring

Who is the one that is childish?

To track the origin of your mysterious hatred of Koreans, please read the following article published by a prestigious scholar, Jared Diamond, the author of "Guns, Germs and Steel". It will illuminate your identity ruined and dimmed by the Japanese leaders and scholars.

Jan. 20
11:11 am JST

Some update on the situation following the meeting between Japanese and Korean officials.

The Japanese side confirmed it was an I-Band radar.

The Japanese side now use the term "radar contact" instead of "lock-on".

The Japanese side has now ruled out the STIR radar as the source of radar emission.

The reason Japanese MoD asked for all radar signature on the Korean destroyer is to check for the possibility that the source of radar emission was the CIWS gun's radar.

The Korean side already ruled out the CIWS gun's radar as the source of radar emission that the P-1 picked up. The Korean side has concluded from the Japanese description of the signal that it was the I-Band search radar from the Coast Guard ship.

Jan. 20
11:34 am JST

The Korean side has concluded from the Japanese description of the signal that it was the I-Band search radar from the Coast Guard ship.

Looks as if ROK is making another excuse. I-band is an Eu/NATO designation which in ITU designation is X-band which is popularly used for FC radars due to it's high frequency. STIR-180 utilizes X-Band as well.

The best evidence would be the wave characteristics as shown below illustrating the difference between FC radar and search radar.

Jan. 20
11:46 am JST

@Triring

Looks as if ROK is making another excuse.

Actually the Korean side was consistent from the beginning, that it was the Coast Guard's I-Band search radar that the P-1 picked up. The evidence that Japanese officials provided confirms the Korean suspicion.

It is the Japanese side that keeps changing story, that it was first a "lock-on", now a "radar contact", from STIR radar to CIWS gun radar, looking for something that fits but nothing does.

Accepting this truth is a political decision and not a technical decision because evidences don't change and Japan now has to apologize before the world audience that it was mistaken and made a false accusation.

Jan. 20
11:50 am JST

Jan. 20
11:53 am JST

why did SK not even bother replying to the initial radio contact by Japan pilots? even if the english was difficult to understand/background noise etc, they could say "say again, over" or something to acknowledge the messages.

SK is being so childish on this issue...'searching for a NK boat in rough weather" and the J video looked like calm(-ish) seas; SK felt "threatened by the plane's close proximity" when the plane was just a speck in the sky from the SK police video; no SK videos at all despite two heavily armed warships in the area - just some shaky handheld SK water police camcorder footage...

it all stinks of an illegal materiels transfer between SK and NK, and they got busted in J waters big time

Jan. 20
01:01 pm JST

Jan. 20
01:08 pm JST

@Samit Basu

The Korean side has concluded from the Japanese description of the signal that it was the I-Band search radar from the Coast Guard ship.

Yes. It is consistent with the following news report:

A military source confirmed Friday that a Korean coast guard ship operated its own radar at the scene in question last month, possibly confusing a Japanese aircraft that it was locked in a warship's fire-control system.

Jan. 20
01:23 pm JST

Jan. 20
01:23 pm JST

What a mess!

Verbally aggressive Japanese chauvinists now bombard their own player, a self-declared ultra-right wing Japanese politician, Toshio Tamogami, an expert on aircraft defense and the formal Chief of Staff of Japan's Air Self-Defense Force. Then, it would not any more surprising that they criticize the S. Korean government and navy, and innocent Korean citizens, ignoring any fact that may make them suspect their sentimental belief. The Abe administration instigates domestic anti-S. Korean sentiment, which features the process of distorting history and making myth and propaganda for hatred. It is a pity that the old former general has to defend himself under the pressure of those jingoists:

Jan. 20
01:30 pm JST

Verbally aggressive Japanese chauvinists now bombard their own player, a self-declared ultra-right wing Japanese politician, Toshio Tamogami, an expert on aircraft defense and the formal Chief of Staff of Japan's Air Self-Defense Force.

Not surprised. You either play ball or get rolled over.

The Abe administration instigates domestic anti-S. Korean sentiment, which features the process of distorting history and making myth and propaganda for hatred.

Its the ldp modus operandi. The so called arrows all failed to connect. Plus seeing as NK is in reformation mode, a new boogeyman is required to numb the masses clamouring for real results.

Jan. 20
01:33 pm JST

@robotxparty

Guess the old "evidence" wasn't compelling enough.

Actually the Abe administration has never provided any evidence. The YouTube video is mostly for kids and teens, not for any government or military officials in diplomacy. If they consider it as an evidence, then they are just fools or childish scamps.

Thus, it is spectacular that the Abe administration could have managed to instigate domestic anti-Korean sentiment for a month even without providing any single evidence.

Jan. 20
01:44 pm JST

Actually the Abe administration has never provided any evidence.

maybe not of any lockon itself...audio could be doctored etc.

but the video exposed SK's blatant lies and wriggling to get out of the situation: "NK boat in rough weather" vs calm seas in the video; "threatened by J plane's close proximity" vs ample distance/altitude in accordance with international regulations plus the fact that the plane was unarmed, flying slow and circling, ie. hardly posing a threat to a capable modern warship.

Jan. 20
02:00 pm JST

@tokyo-star

but the video exposed SK's blatant lies and wriggling to get out of the situation: "NK boat in rough weather" vs calm seas in the video; "threatened by J plane's close proximity" vs ample distance/altitude in accordance with international regulations plus the fact that the plane was unarmed, flying slow and circling, ie. hardly posing a threat to a capable modern warship.

Whether it is true or not, it is irrelevant with the issue here regarding the radar lock. Don't waste time in averting the issue.

Jan. 20
03:32 pm JST

Jan. 20
04:06 pm JST

First, the article:

What audio recording? Are they going to play back the "beeped out parts" this time? While I guess it may depend on exactly what is said, but I think they should have eaten the loss and played the full tape, including the beeped out parts.

Or is it going to be the report that was supposedly sent up by SATCOM? Anyway, let's wait to hear this "audio recording" before further comments.

@IloveCoffee Today 08:52 am JST

How does releasing an audio recording of the pilots prove that the SK ship locked an FCR?

I actually agree partially with this, to the extent that the best any recording can prove is a subjective belief they were locked on.

@Samit Basu Today 11:11 am JST

That's 5 unsupported assertions. Do you have links? Korean Google translates quite well into Japanese.

@SJ Today 01:08 pm JST

A military source confirmed Friday that a Korean coast guard ship operated its own radar at the scene in question last month, possibly confusing a Japanese aircraft that it was locked in a warship's fire-control system.

http://world.kbs.co.kr/service/news_view.htm?lang=e&Seq_Code=142372

Yes, I've heard this is their latest throw. I'll throw in a Japanese-language link (a forward from Korea Joongang Daily):

Yes, the possibility of a misidentification is quite low. On the merits, there are three problems with this general idea:

1) It came close to a month late.

2) The only similarity indeed is most likely the general frequency band.

3) From the recording the radar suddenly came up. If it was the coast guard's boat radar, it should have been up for a long time.

@SJ Today 02:00 pm JST

Whether it is true or not, it is irrelevant with the issue here regarding the radar lock. Don't waste time in averting the issue.

That recording includes the sudden appearance of a strong radar contact and all the calls concerning that fact. In making clear that the Korean explanation is inconsistent with reality in a way even a layman can understand, it also ruins South Korea's credibility.

So, according to this, the Japanese actually handed over the results of the analysis. The Koreans insisted on the raw data, the actual tape. The Japanese want the data from the destroyer.

This would seem to be consistent with the Korean claim the Japanese are not handing over "data", but you can see why they are not going to get "raw data" from Japan's latest kit without giving up anything in return.

IMO, it also gives some context to the well known American refusal to get involved. At this stage in the game, the so-called request for American assistance probably involved them revealing if any of THEIR SIGINT systems caught an appropriate signal at the correct time. Which will, of course, mean revealing a good bit about America's SIGINT capabilities.

Jan. 20
08:27 pm JST

Not to mention hiding flags, ignoring Japan's radio calls in 3 different and emergency frequencies, now blaming P-1 mistook it for I-Band Search Radar from Coast Guard Ship? . Stop making silly excuse. Coast Guard ship also weaponized with missile controlled by such radar.

Jan. 20
10:18 pm JST

that it was the Coast Guard's I-Band search radar that the P-1 picked up.

Another glitch in this pathetic excuse, although I-band or X-band is utilized in search radar they are limited to surface radars which is pointed down towards the sea. Now how on earth was a radar pointing down be able to point it's antennas upwards towards the sky?

Jan. 21
10:58 pm JST

Japan MoD announced the radar sound they recorded the day of the incident and is it strong.

A consecutive sound against a moving object so we know for certain that it is not a blip from a search radar.

Now ROK is saying the sound cannot be tagged to the day of the incident BUT they were silent if the recording was from a search radar again flipping their earlier excuse saying it originated from the coast guard vessel.

http://www.mod.go.jp/j/press/news/2019/01/21x.html

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