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He didn't understand The Joker's mentality, with Bane it was a simple of case of not being in fighting form, like being the best MMA fighter in the world but if you don't train for years and then get in the cage with a top fighter you will lose.

As for the dogs, Rottweilers are savage and powerrful animals and are much harder to fend off than a man.

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In TDK Batman was at the peak of his game, in TDKR he had a bad leg and had not been Batman for 8 years, Bane would have found it much harder to take down TDK Batman.

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He didn't understand The Joker's mentality, with Bane it was a simple of case of not being in fighting form, like being the best MMA fighter in the world but if you don't train for years and then get in the cage with a top fighter you will lose.

Absolutely, Hunter Rider. Bane comments on it himself. "Peace has cost you your strength. Victory has defeated you." It's in the same spirit as Knightfall where Batman takes on Bane and is already at a disadvantage.

Personally, I still think TDK Batman would whoop Bane's ass in a first fight, and I've yet to see an argument that made me think otherwise. Objectively, however, there was no fair fight between them in this film at all, so its actually hard to tell what would actually happen.

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Personally, I still think TDK Batman would whoop Bane's ass in a first fight, and I've yet to see an argument that made me think otherwise. Objectively, however, there was no fair fight between them in this film at all, so its actually hard to tell what would actually happen.

Definitely. TDK Batman was Bruce at his peak. In the comics and in TDKR, Bane only breaks Batman because Batman is at a physical disadvantage.

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Personally, I still think TDK Batman would whoop Bane's ass in a first fight, and I've yet to see an argument that made me think otherwise. Objectively, however, there was no fair fight between them in this film at all, so its actually hard to tell what would actually happen.

Just finished watching TDK, and the only time Batman isn't walking through people, kicking ass, is during his final confrontation with The Joker. And even then he finds a way to not only beat him physically, but morally too, by continuing to save him.

Definitely. TDK Batman was Bruce at his peak. In the comics and in TDKR, Bane only breaks Batman because Batman is at a physical disadvantage.

Bane is a lot older than Bruce and also has the disadvantage of having an anaesthetic being pumped into him at all times. Given all the disadvantages and hinderances amongst both of them and the moments in time they met and collided being vastly dissimilar in contrast, a lot would have to be considered and altered for them to be classed as having a fair fight.
And it's not just a case of Bruce having to fight throughout all his problems and disadvantages and having to be at his peak, the same would have to be required for Bane too, although it seems many are seemingly disregarding this fact in favour of stroking their ego's and preferences for Batman and the Joker at Bane's expense.

In the long run, yes, I'd still bank on Bruce coming out on top, but I don't think it would be such a straight up walk in the park even in his peak and at his prime. A fair fight, imo, would push both of them to their limits.

Bane is a lot older than Bruce and also has the disadvantage of having an anaesthetic being pumped into him at all times. Given all the disadvantages and hinderances amongst both of them and the moments in time they met and collided being vastly dissimilar in contrast, a lot would have to be considered and altered for them to be classed as having a fair fight.
And it's not just a case of Bruce having to fight throughout all his problems and disadvantages and having to be at his peak, the same would have to be required for Bane too, although it seems many are seemingly disregarding this fact in favour of stroking their ego's and preferences for Batman and the Joker at Bane's expense.

In the long run, yes, I'd still bank on Bruce coming out on top, but I don't think it would be such a straight up walk in the park even in his peak and at his prime. A fair fight, imo, would push both of them to their limits.

It's arguably as funny as the guys who turn others' statements into ways to reply to someone in a derogatory manner.

^ Well, thats what happens when people go around saying "Oh, no one wanted to hear any reasons as to why blah blah blah".

We heard you, we just don't agree with you.

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Bane is a lot older than Bruce and also has the disadvantage of having an anaesthetic being pumped into him at all times. Given all the disadvantages and hinderances amongst both of them and the moments in time they met and collided being vastly dissimilar in contrast, a lot would have to be considered and altered for them to be classed as having a fair fight.
And it's not just a case of Bruce having to fight throughout all his problems and disadvantages and having to be at his peak, the same would have to be required for Bane too, although it seems many are seemingly disregarding this fact in favour of stroking their ego's and preferences for Batman and the Joker at Bane's expense.

In the long run, yes, I'd still bank on Bruce coming out on top, but I don't think it would be such a straight up walk in the park even in his peak and at his prime. A fair fight, imo, would push both of them to their limits.

Like I said, objectively, I agree with the idea that there was no fair fight between them onscreen, so no one really knows how a fight would go between them. And I also don't see anyone saying that Bats would beat Bane easily. Bane is meant to be a scary mofo who can give Batman a fight.

And as for ego stroking, lets not act like Bane fans don't stroke their ego at Batman and Joker's expense:

"Oh, Joker may be the most popular Batman villain, but Bane is the ultimate/most dangerous villain."

Not to mention certain fans acting like Bane is unstoppable, even without his Venom. I find it funny that I have to constantly remind people that Bane has never beaten Batman without the use of venom. That's not ego stroking. In fact, I usually say things like this to keep other fans ego stroking in check, especially since a few of them seem to know very little about a character they claim to love.

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In the long run, yes, I'd still bank on Bruce coming out on top, but I don't think it would be such a straight up walk in the park even in his peak and at his prime. A fair fight, imo, would push both of them to their limits.

To be honest, does Batman ever really fight fair? He uses cutting edge, military-grade weaponry, vehicles, and body armor to get the upper hand in combat. Look at the docks scene in Begins. Had Batman faced all of those guys in fair combat, he would have been shot dead. Instead he uses his arsenal along with parlor tricks to take them out in a predatory fashion. Comparatively, Bane only has an armored vest and the anesthetic, which is admittedly gives a big advantage, but in terms of fighting he only uses his appendages.

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^ So a fair fight is no gadget no body armor wearing Batman versus thugs who get to have guns?

And what would you make of a pre LOS training Batman kicking the ass of 6 guys on his own and without any of the tools you mentioned?

I'm just saying that Batman uses what he can to best his enemies whether it's fair or not. It's like the guy who brings a gun to a knife fight, he's doing what he must to win and stay alive (like I said, without the predatory maneuvers Batman could never take down that many armed men) but from the perspective of the other guy it's not exactly fair.

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^ Well, thats what happens when people go around saying "Oh, no one wanted to hear any reasons as to why blah blah blah".

We heard you, we just don't agree with you.

Which is a perfectly good reason to be ignorant toward others, right?

Regardless, it wasn't about disagreement, it was about people completely ignoring any sort of evidence supporting Bane's side. A laundry list of reasoning was supplied, and it was almost completely ignored.

I, myself, posted a somewhat lengthy post giving specific real-world examples supporting the Bane side of the debate, and it was glossed over. Hence the, "people just didn't want to hear any reasoning," comment.