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Visio Goes High End

Posted 7 months ago

Daddio

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Located in Irvine California, Visio entered the flat panel TV market by contracting various established TV manufacturers to build TVs to their specifications. With this relatively low up-front investment they were able to enter the market with TVs that got everyone’s attention with their reasonable performance, but amazingly affordable prices. This has obviously been very successful for Visio over the years, but operating at the lower margin end of the business is not where they wanted to stay. The new P series from Visio is their first push into the higher feature and performance levels previously occupied by only the top manufacturers like Sony and Samsung. The P series TVs occupy a higher price point than earlier Visio models, but they are still very affordable compared to the big names.
Before moving my Visio 65” Model P to its permanent location I temporarily set it on the floor in front of a 6 month old Sony 75” Model 900E that was mounted on the wall. I have included a picture of that setup but it is important to know that the lower screen in the picture is 4’ closer than the upper screen. Both TVs are hooked up to the same roof-mounted antenna via a splitter. The Over the Air (OTA) signal is coming from a farm of 4 Transmitter Towers 35 miles away. Unlike a store display room where every screen is running from a different source to make direct comparison difficult, this setup allows skin tones, color saturation and picture details to be studied. Out of the box the Visio P was much brighter and a bit too vivid even on the “Normal” setting. However, the Visio offers many different automatic screen modes as well as a manual setup mode that lets every aspect of color, contrast and saturation to be individually adjusted. It’s not a good as the human eye actually being there, but you can see in the attached picture that the Visio picture was every bit a pleasing as the much more expensive Sony picture. Nothing is perfect however so here are some Pros and Cons;
PROS:
- The Price. If you masked off everything but the picture screen, I personally would not have been able to tell which of my TVs was almost twice as expensive (mainly due to screen size). If you’re not influenced by brand prestige, the Visio is the obvious choice.
- The Visio P series has almost every high end 4K feature available. From Full Active Array Backlighting, to HDR10 Dolby Vision, to Smart (Chrome) Cast, to built in Apps like YouTube, Netflix and Amazon, to Ultra Bright 1000 Nit peak brightness, the Visio P series is up there with the best LCD displays.
- The narrow bezels and overall thin depth of the Visio P series makes these TVs an attractive addition to any Home Theater or Living Room.
CONS:
- Although it has an Over-the-Air tuner, that tuner is not a sensitive as others. When hooked up to the same antenna, the Visio received fewer channels than my other TV. However, this is only an issue when receiving signals through an antenna from a distant transmitter. If the Visio is hooked up to a good antenna and the transmitter is 10 miles away or closer, the signal will always be so strong that tuner sensitivity is not an issue. If you are using a cable company’s box, then you would be feeding the Visio via one of its 5 HDMI inlet connections instead of the TV’s coaxial antenna connection, thus bypassing the internal tuner altogether.
- The stereo speakers on the Visio P series TV are fair, but not equal to the quality of the picture. A TV of this caliber deserves a real 7.2 Surround Sound receiver and speaker array, so the low power and quality of speakers imbedded in the narrow bezels of this TV are best left switched off.
CONCLUSION:
- The Visio P series shows Visio’s plan for the future. Stage one was getting themselves noticed with competent TV models and amazing prices. Now that their brand is established, they are going after the big boys and the P series is just the beginning.

I would recommend this to a friend

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drklbc

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Rating: 4 out of 5 stars

4

Bang for the buck! Feature packed at a great price

Posted 7 months ago

drklbc

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This is the first Vizio product that I have ever owned and it sure won't be the last from this experience with the 2018 P-Series line... Coming from an avid LG customer, I am very impressed at the level of quality and features packed into this latest Vizio offering. The very first thing I noticed is how elegant the P-Series is (This thing is a looker!) and how slim the bezel(s) are... It's very similar to the Infinity displays that Dell is offering in it's XPS lineup.
The initial setup was a bit longer than I had expected. What I mean by that is that after selecting the typical setup options, I had to wait a good 20 minutes for it to download and update itself before being able to use it, while it's not a big deal since it is a Smart TV, it's good for future buyers to know...
After the initial setup and updating, I had my very first experience with the SmartCast OS. From being used to dealing with the WebOS from LG, The SmartCast is about up to par with the apps department. The main apps (i.e. Netflix, Hulu, Prime Video, Plex, Crackle and Youtube) are available naively within SmartCast, but like most current TV that has built-in Chromecast. It is heavily dependent on the casting. So in order to use an app that's not available on SmartCast, you can just cast it off the app via mobile device(s). While it's a perk and expands the TV to more devices... I find not being able to re-arrange or remove unused apps a bit annoying... it's the little things.
Visually, this TV shines! It is clear and bright at the vivid setting. I can visually see the brightness difference from my 4K LG to this one. Dolby Vision paired with a Dolby Atmos soundbar is amazing! With 5 HDMI inputs available, I currently have my Playstation 4 Pro, Xbox One S, Alienware Alpha and Apple TV 4K connected to the TV with an LG Dolby Atmos enabled soundbar via optical cable. While my gaming looks amazing, the PC connection did not as it was way too bright. This is a minor issue as switching over to the PC settings helped with the issue. I kinda wish there was an preset I can set so when I switch inputs it would change the setting with it. Maybe in a future update? Maybe...
Overall, for the retail of $1300, this thing is a steal! While I know the TCL has a comparable model as well for cheaper, I find that as the years goes by Vizio is upping their game in the competitive TV market. You gotta ask yourself if you think buying from a bigger brand (i.e. Sony, Samsung, LG) is worth more for the name only. I'm a logical guy who looks into specs and compares them to other brands... at the end of the day, OLED are super nice, but since I wear glasses... I see the world through filtered lens. I hope this helps... Thanks.

I would recommend this to a friend

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charliehustle77

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Rating: 5 out of 5 stars

5

Amazing Colors, Very responsive apps!

Posted 7 months ago

charliehustle77

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I am going to cut to the chase on this TV. If you’re in the market for a TV this size and price, buy it. Brief history on the TV’s I have owned in the past few years. I started in the flat screen world with a Panasonic Plasma 42” and loved it, then in 2014 I bought a Sony LED 55” and was never really happy with the color or viewing angles coming from that Panasonic. Then I got this Vizio….holy smokes what a great TV!
Let’s start with the unboxing, they packed the tv to protect the screen and inserted it into a high strength plastic bag with handles that allows you to slide it out easily. They recommend you do this with another person but I’m a grown man and I did it by myself. Leaving it on the Styrofoam inserts also allowed me to put the legs on it. Easy peasy.
The TV itself is extremely thin and light for its size. All of your connections are on one side besides the power cable. Nothing that would get in the way of a wall mount, good thinking. Vizio also removed ¾ of the bezel on this tv, leaving only the bottom with a brushed aluminum strip and vizio label in the bottom right corner. T
When I first turned the tv on and set it up it was literally like looking at my iPhone X on full brightness in the middle of the night…almost blinding. This TV is bright and extremely colorful. Once I got everything fired up I went in and played with calibrations and within minutes I got the TV exactly where I wanted it to be…for now. I know I’ll be playing with the calibrations for a few weeks till I finally get it perfect but honestly the “Calibrated” setting is pretty close to where I want to be. The picture on this tv is downright beautiful. The only downside I noticed was a slight darkness in all 4 corners..only really noticeable when there are lighter scenes on. Not a huge issue for me, but I know there are those that would skip the Vizio for that reason. From what I can tell, the viewing angles are actually really good...at least compared to what I was used to.
The sound on this tv is as you would expect from a flat screen…not so good but I think most of us are rocking a soundbar right? If not you’ll probably end up buying one, this one is nothing to write home about.
The TV has built in support for Google Assistant and Alexa. Sweet! This TV also features a tuner, which I understand was missing from a few previous models.
The apps on this tv are, unlike my Sony, actually apps that I will want to use. You’ve got VUDU, Netflix, Amazon, Kumo, Crackle and Iheart Radio built into the remote and some more cool ones on the actual tv itself. The apps are really snappy to react when clicking and do not take forever to open (Glaring at you Sony). Vizio has said that they will have an app that, with an internet connection, you’ll be able to stream TV and local channels to your tv, great for cord cutters! The Netflix and Youtube app on this tv is much faster than the app on my cable box, which was pretty fast as is. Loading up took no time at all. Streamed Planet Earth II on Netflix and my jaw just about dropped. The brightness and clarity of the picture is pretty mind boggling. I’m really impressed with this part of the TV and I can’t wait to see how much support the apps get in the future.
I won’t get deep into the specs on this tv because there are videos and reviews online for that purpose alone. Go to Best Buy and check this TV out in person, it’s worth your time if you’re in the market for one.
I have to honestly say, I’m sad I never gave Vizio a fair shake in my former TV searches…but this 2018 version P series has changed my mind and outlook on the Vizio line as a whole. The picture is incredibly clear and the colors are pretty insane. I’m still trying to delve into all the settings but I am already in love with this TV. After years with my Sony that I liked but didn’t love, this vizio fits the bill perfectly. Great TV for a great price and I would recommend it to anyone looking for a 65” smart tv.

I would recommend this to a friend

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FanaTech

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Rating: 5 out of 5 stars

5

Worth every cent, 5 stars plus

Posted 3 months ago

FanaTech

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I am a huge movie buff and gamer and this is my second 65" tv that I own. I loved my first one it was a budget LG but I loved everything about it. So when it was time to get another one I went back for another budget LG (I have always been a big fan of LG) but I was not pleased with the picture and settings on the LG so I ended up returning it and trying out a Samsung that was highly rated but once again had a bunch of issues with it after trying 4-5 different TV's and having issues with all of them I was talking to the guys at Best Buy and they kept pointing out this Visio. But I kept telling them I'm not a big fan of Visio (personally) but they insisted that the higher end Visio's are incredible, especially for the price and I have to admit the picture in store was pretty darn nice... So I figured I'd give it a shot due to the price range I was trying to stay in... I'm sooo glad I did! It was a little more then I wanted to spend but was worth every penny!! The picture quality is so incredible! The color range is out of this world! Im telling you you will see colors out of this tv with such a richness, you'll think you're seeing them for the first time... Oh and you can go in and change every single color of the rainbow, separately, to your exact preference of brightness or darkness even to shade and saturation... If you want, if you don't want to get that involved the presetts are phenomenal! All the settings and features are perfect! It has worked out for every single preference I have in a tv for every application! I feel like this is a tv that is built to please any and every style of watcher with anywhere from a few tweaks to some serious in-depth tuning. Let me also say I am not a picture snob but alot of the new features on TV's can create issues if they don't function properly so after a long drawn out process of going through "today's" TVs (mind you my last 65" is only 2yrs old) I now realize buget TV's are not what they were even just 2yrs ago. If your not a complete picture snob, they were great in the past but with the new technology that comes standard in every tv now, you need quality parts driving that tech and you are not gonna find that in a buget TV. So if you don't have quality parts driving that tech it will cause issues with the picture or the motion that will look odd to you or drive you up a wall as it did to me. The other problem with budget TV's is that some of these new features, not everyone wants or likes and on budget TV's you often either don't have the option to turn it off or even when you do it is still noticeable. Higher end models do not have these problems as they have better parts which drive them properly... TV's are no longer about just picking a size and brand at the price you want. They're becoming more like buying a computer, what internal parts they have matter greatly! Don't get me wrong if you go with a smaller tv these things don't apply quite as much but 60" and up, you need to focus on the quality of the parts that drive that tv. But if this tv is in your price point and you want to save yourself alot of time and research and you just want the absolute best 65" tv you can buy in this price range, then look no further it doesn't get any better then this tv at this price! So stop looking, you found your tv! This tv gave me everything I wanted and then some and believe it or not, for me, the insanely incredible picture was just the bonus! I would definitely buy this tv again and I would buy Visio again after this experience... Also if you hate TV's with muddy dull pictures then this tv is also the one for you! Im the type of person who usually has contrast up high and brightness and backlighting up all the way, but fight with trying to get it bright enough without washing it out but usually have to sacrifice one or the other brightness, or color and clarity. This tv is incredible in the fact that I can keep my "backlighting" and contrast down low, and my brightness is almost all the way turned down. Which for me is unbelievable. But the picture and color range are so phenomenal mixed together with all the true black features on this tv that it doesn't need to be super bright to have a clear, colorful, crisp, non-muddy picture. Also the black features on this tv are incredible too. You have no idea how much of a difference solid true blacks make to a picture until you experienced it. I actually mess with my friends and family by playing a game of "is the tv on or off" because if I pause something at a moment where it's just a black screen, you can't even tell the tv is on, it is perfectly pitch black. You actually have to turn off all the lights in the house just to see that there is even any light coming from the screen. All around just a great fantastic buy for the price and if you buy the extended warranty (which I did) I don't see any way you could possibly go wrong with this tv! It's 5 stars plus!

I would recommend this to a friend

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Nate34

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Rating: 5 out of 5 stars

5

Amazing picture, performance, and features

Posted 7 months ago

Nate34

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The quick and easy reviews is that the Vizio P65-F1 is hands down the best TV Ive ever had. Design wise the minimal bezels makes the front all screen. And the silver trim and legs add a nice touch of class. I love the Vizio gives you 5 HDMI ports. No more need for HDMI splitters. The remote is very nice and simple. Easy to learn without having too many buttons. You can also use your phone with the smartcast mobile app. Set up is very simple. Choose language, country, enter wireless info or plug in an Ethernet cable. Name your set, scan for channels, and youre done.
The picture is the best Ive seen from any non OLED TV. The colors, black levels, contrast, brightness, etc. are amazing. This is my first TV with true local dimming, and until Ive seen it I didnt know what I was missing. Gone are the light bleed and blooming you get with bright objects on a black background. With the local dimming it produces perfect blacks without losing any of the clarity and brightness of other objects in scenes. With up to 1000 nits of brightness you get amazing bright scenes that dont overdo things despite how bright it can get. HDR on Netflix is awesome. The 240hz refresh rate keeps objects moving in full detail with almost no blur at all. And the picture settings can be simple, or detailed if you want. Either choose on of the presets if you like the look. Or tweak to your hearts consent. There are a lot of adjustments you can make to get the picture calibrated to your liking. I prefer standard mode.
The audio is what you would expect from standard speakers. I use headphones for all my audio, but a nice soundbar or surround sound system works as well. My preferred set up is using wireless headphones connected to the optical audio out that connects to my headphones transmitter.
Of course the TV comes with all the standard apps you would expect like Netflix, Google Play, Hulu, etc. It will also has access to over 100 free channels with “Vizio Watch Free” coming soon. And yes this has a tuner, so it is a “TV”. Apps and the UI are fluid, fast responding and just work. You can also control your set with Alexa or Google home. It also has USB media playback for your own videos you have on a thumb or external drive.
Even though I said this in the first sentence its worth saying again. The Vizio P65-F1 is the best TV Ive ever had. And Ive had quite a few 4K sets over the years. The picture quality, features, build quality, and performance make this my new #1 all time. To get this kind of quality from another brand you will easily be dropping $2000 at the least. Vizio has come a long way and should be on your list while shopping for your next TV.

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gtdad

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Rating: 5 out of 5 stars

5

Great TV!

Posted 7 months ago

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To start with, the P65 F1 is easy to unpack and the stand, which consists of 2 legs is very easy to install. Each leg will only fit one way and only on the correct side. You simply use 2 screws in each leg and your done.
At 2.7" deep, this is not the thinnest tv on the market, but neither is it too thick From the front, this is a beautiful tv.with a bezel-less design around the top and sides. There is a very attractive 1/2" silver bezel along the bottom. Vizio put their name all the way to the right and the power indicator all the way to the left, so that neither are noticeable when watching tv.
When you turn the tv on it will walk you through the setup which is quick and simple. After you attach your soundbar, Bluray etc. and you are ready to go.
Vizio has pre-calibrated settings: Calibrated, Calibrated Dark, Vivid, Game, Computer and Standard. And of course these settings can be further customized by you. For the most part I have watched in Calibrated mode.
And what a great picture.My first reaction was "Wow this picture is bright!" And for those of you interested in black levels, with this tv blacks are black. No purples or other distortions of black.
Watching sports and been great with no blur when a baseball is thrown or a golf ball is in flight.
If you want a quick look at what the tv is capable of you can go to the Youtube app and watch 4k videos. They are really impressive.
Watching a Bluray movie, whether in 4K or not, is also dramatically better than anything I have seen on a tv.
Casting is quick with 6 preset app buttons on the remote as well as a dedicatied Vizio Cast button. The remote is small and not backlit, however, it is well laid out and very intuitive so that backlighting is not neccessary.It is also very comfortable in the hand.
I have Google Home speakers and with this tv I can ask Google to turn on the tv. When the tv turns on, my soundbar automatically turns on. The same goes when turning it off. Of course you can also ask Google to turn on a particular show on a specific app, and play, pause, etc. It is nice to not have to attach streaming devices to your tv.
The quality of picture you see is very source dependent. Streaming and Bluray are terrific. Cable box is very good though not quite as impressive since the signal source is 1080i.
The only negative to this tv is off angle viewing which is inherent in a VA panel. The tradeoff being that you get much better contrast. However, the only time I noticed this was when I had my computer connected and the screen was all white. During regular programming it was not noticeable at all.
I won't go into specs as they are clearly listed on the BestBuy website.
Overall, this is a great tv that i think will meet or exceed your expectations. Vizio has done a great job providing a user interface which is logical, simple to follow and won't overwhelm anyone who may not be comfortable with technology. I would buy it agian and would highly recommend it.

I would recommend this to a friend

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GOTech

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Rating: 1 out of 5 stars

1

My first Vizio

Posted 2 months ago

GOTech

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For the money and the features you get for this TV its a pretty good deal, I think I may have just gotten a bad one. Off the bat, I was blown away by the picture. Setup was a breeze. I started playing Red Dead 2 and I started noticing a "halo effect" or "light rings" in the middle of the screen. I thought it was my cable(s) or the input so I changed it around & swapped out and even tested my Xbox One to rule out hardware problems. I started doing monitor tests so I could see more clearly what exactly the issue was. I then notice a bunch of faint circles in the middle of the screen. Almost like this TV has a bad array. I tried messing around with settings thinking maybe I had something turned up too high/low but same results. It was extremely noticeable and distracting. I attached a picture while running the monitor tests. You'll notice the faint rings in the middle left/right on screen (ignore the two white spots thats my ceiling light). It was also an ordeal to get my PS4 Pro to get recognize the TV as being HDR even when I have it turned on in the TV input menu. I had to safe mode the PS4 Pro, in order for HDR to work I'm not sure if this is a resolution problem? I ended up returning this TV and spent the extra money on the Sony X850f and don't regret it. The Sony also did NOT have the HDR issue as the Vizio did. Don't let my review scare you away, especially if you're on a budget. As I mentioned, I could of just gotten a bad one. If you do end up purchasing this, make sure you do thorough monitor testing as soon as you can.

No, I would not recommend this to a friend

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KusMoG

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Rating: 3 out of 5 stars

3

A good display that isn't so *smart*

Posted 5 months ago

KusMoG

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Vizio has a reputation of being a 'cheap' TV brand but fortunately with the P65-F1, it doesn't look cheap at all. The back is made of hard plastic but out of sight, out of mind. The front display looks beautiful and unassuming. The bezels are thin and the Vizio logo on the bottom right is very discrete... almost hidden as it's silver on silver.
The display itself looks good, and it's Dolby Vision and HDR capable. Unfortunately I found the brightness on my display uneven in that all 4 corners are dimmer than the rest of the display. It's like the opposite of light bleed. So while the Dolby Vision content looks great on it, the dark corners were still there. With my untrained eye, I found it difficult to tell the difference between HDR10 content and Dolby Vision, but that could also be the fault of the way the content was produced. The Dolby Vision content I was watching may not be using it to its full potential. But on paper, Dolby Vision is supposed to be a better version of HDR, so in that regard it's got some "future-proof" to it.
The speakers on the set are average. Not spectacular, but not bad either.
Where the TV really falters is in its smart features. Smartcast is largely a rebranded Chromecast that just peddles bloatware. First off, loading the Smartcast screen is slow. Then it places the apps on the bottom-most row, right below the main featured content and a "Discover" row. I read a review for this TV stating it doesn't have ads and while that's true, it's only true on a clever technicality. Those 2 rows above the "Apps" row are probably worse than ads because they occupy so much space and the cursor selection defaults to them when you first open Smartcast, instead of defaulting to the Apps row.
About the Smartcast apps- What you see is what you get built-in. There's no store to download more. There's no option to remove what you won't use. There's no option to rearrange the order the apps are presented in. This could change with firmware releases, but don't hold your breath. Fortunately Vizio had the good sense to make Netflix the first app in the Apps row. Could you imagine if it were the last? You'd have to scroll over to it EACH time you wanted to use it. In fact, that's what you need to do if you want to view USB content, since the USB app is second to last on the row. The last spot in the Apps row directs you to a page that tells you to download more apps on your phone to cast them to your TV for more content. That's their answer to other TV's app store. And that's so lame and lazy since again Smartcast is like a rebranded Chromecast. You can buy Chromecast separately for a cheaper TV and achieve nearly the same results. The main feature you'll lose is the built-in Google Assistant-compatibility feature, which itself is kind of flaky. First off, to be able to even take advantage of this, it's an additional cost of purchasing a Google Home device.
Power on and off voice commands work fine. The volume up and down commands, however, are horrendous. It's way too slow and the change in volume is way too minuscule. You'll find yourself either repeating the command over and over or waiting a LONG time for it to change the volume.
Consider this: Your volume is set to 60%. You tell Google to set your living room TV volume to 25%. The TV doesn't immediately change the volume to 25%. Instead the volume incrementally goes down in slow fashion. I don't even use that command because it's just way too slow, and erratic. Sometimes the volume decrease or increase goes past the level you asked for. I just stick with the remote.
The remote itself is also the typical Vizio cheapness. It's not backlit, nor does it have those buttons that absorb light and glow in the dark. It has dedicated buttons for Vudu, Netflix, Amazon, Xumo, Crackle, and iHeart Radio. If any of these companies ever stop supporting these apps on Vizio TVs (look at Skype with Samsung TVs) you'll have a button that won't do anything. Those aren't even all the built-in apps that the TV actually offers. Surely Plex is more popular than frickin Xumo.
If you can get it on sale and don't care about smart features, this would be a TV to consider if you're looking for a Dolby Vision capable TV. I would not buy this TV for anything over $1000.
Otherwise, look elsewhere or wait for OLED to become cheaper.

No, I would not recommend this to a friend

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Brand response

VIZIOEntertainmentExpert

5 months ago

Hello KusMoG, thank you for your feedback it is greatly appreciated. We are continually looking to improve the SmartCast platform whether it is adding Google Assistant (Google Home or Google Assistant application) support and Amazon Alexa support or evaluating additional applications to add directly to the SmartCast input on the television.

Best answer: I can tell you, i had to build a shelf for my P65-F1. You need to allow the full width of the TV. The stand ends about 2 inches short of the edge of the TV on each side. But be sure you have enough depth too. The stand is fully 10 inches deep. I allowed 12 inches for the depth to have a little extra space. It's wide, but seems very stable. Its a very BIG TV so be sure to have a good table to support it.