Communicating before marriage by consent

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Is one allowed to talk to a girl with the intention of marriage, on the internet.
I assume not, but what if she has parental consent to talk to the potential spouse.
And if so, how about talking on the phone by consent of the parents.

I think you would need her Walli to be present if wanting to talk to her about marriage.
There's a website called Ummah Forums, there's a lot of threads on there addressing similar questions, just go to the marriage section and have a look around.

I wouldnt reccomend anyone be pushed towards Ummah Forums - they are a hotbed of extremists and create distrust of others such that they prefer to turn a blind eye to murder as long as it is commited by Muslims of their choosing and will distrust all sources that suggest that their preferred terrorist groups have done something wrong..

Communication before marriage is allowed an there is even a hadith that when a suitor has doubts, he should look for something in the suited that will overcome those doubts - impossible without communication.

But on the other hand, things can easily go too far. Better to communicate in the real world, person to person as opposed to through technology.

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but i think his question is whether he is allowed to communicate with whoever it is alone, when discussing marriage is there no compulsion for a walli to be present amongst the two suitors or is that all codswallop?

I would appreciate back-up/references/evidence. I dont want to displease Allah SWT with my actions. I've done a lot of researched, and i think there are different opinions. Im starting think the strongest opinion is you meet and talk while the Wali is present face to face.

We met on an Islamic matrimony website, and now continuing our talk via chat elsewhere (due to membership expiration). We have avoided the idea of phone calls. If she has consent from her parents, is it permissible to talk online or on the phone?

*as far as I know* there should be a wali with the girl whenever u talk. My friend once mentioned that her sister would send a copy of the emails she was sending to her potential, to her brother as well, and the guy would do the same. It may be awkward but that would definitely stop u flirting etc which is the main reason for guys n girls not being able to communicate before marriage.

If you already know she is the one you want to marry and just generally want to know her better, talk about everyday stuff then Islamically afaik that's not allowed.

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*as far as I know* there should be a wali with the girl whenever u talk. My friend once mentioned that her sister would send a copy of the emails she was sending to her potential, to her brother as well, and the guy would do the same. It may be awkward but that would definitely stop u flirting etc which is the main reason for guys n girls not being able to communicate before marriage.

If you already know she is the one you want to marry and just generally want to know her better, talk about everyday stuff then Islamically afaik that's not allowed.

Is it not recommended to do a Nikah with two wintesses in that situation?

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