I have known this image for quite a time. Etienne Perrot published it in one of his books. You noticed of course that the queen has capricorn on her right shoulder heavily emphasized.

Roger

_________________Fire over wood:THE IMAGE of THE CAULDRON.Thus the superior man consolidates his fate By making his position correct.The fate of fire depends on wood; as long as there is wood below, the fire burns above. It is the same in human life; there is in man likewise a fate that lends power to his life. And if he succeeds in assigning the right place to life and to fate, thus bringing the two into harmony, he puts his fate on a firm footing.

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Mon Oct 08, 2012 7:40 pm

fox

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Re: Marie-Louise von Franz' Dream of the Return of Carl Jung

Roger Faglin wrote:

What is very funny is that the first time I read the dream of Remo's you quote above, I immediately associated it with the image you posted there: http://unus-mundus.fr/viewtopic.php?p=14676#p14676I have known this image for quite a time. Etienne Perrot published it in one of his books. You noticed of course that the queen has capricorn on her right shoulder heavily emphasized.Roger

Yes, Roger, he published it in "Le jardin de la Reine". Very interesting your association.

I read (yesterday) in this book by Perrot that during the summer of 1977, Etienne Perrot and his wife, Francine, thought in the publication of a manuscript by MLVF, "The Golden Ass". Francine Perrot had this dream:

She saw the invisible body of Jung, his mind somehow. Nearby, stood a pile formed of dark cubes . She find then before her a crank. She began to operate it, first hard, then with increasing rapidity and ease, the start is always what is most painful. The cubes are raised and ordered by themselves as attracted by the subtle image, and they eventually replenish the body of Jung, and visible physical body this time. At that moment, she realized that the cubes were matrices, letters.

That makes me think of this topic, "Marie-Louise von Franz' Dream of the Return of Carl Jung"

_________________There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not? ( Robert Kennedy quoting George Bernard Shaw )

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Hi Remo, It is 2:17 AM, my time in Virginia right now. I heard a click into my AOL inbox which turned out to be a notice of your post at 12:07 AM my time (that is what the time says below your post as I see it on the forum), but here is a paste-in of the time of the E-mail notification of it: 10/10/2012 2:13:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time. So, supposedly you posted at around 2:13, and I started to read your post around 2:17 in the EDT frame of East Coast US where I am. I was asleep most of the evening and woke up just awhile ago. I was following up on some searches in Google about a setting similar to the one above that you posted about in 2008. Last night I'd say around 6:30 PM, I was at my daughter's house and was talking with her about how I had been thinking this week about sending an E-mail to Dr. Roth to tell him the behind the scenes lastest developments about communications with my One and Only in the Beyond or in the In Between. I told her that I had just gotten home from the grocery store but was in the parking lot outside my condo when I heard a PING on my Android phone a couple of evenings before... related to Fox... Posted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 5:32 pm... and it seemed kind of ridiculous to look right away instead of going inside and sitting down in my recliner to see what the E-mail might be on my computer screen. Lee, who says things to me as thoughts that are not my own, but I can repeat the words out loud to better "hear" them, and sometimes I actually record them on audio... he said about that PING to look right away and not wait to go inside. WOW, WOW, WOW... Fox had just reactivated this thread from 2008... I was super astonished and wanted to follow up on this soon and thank him for doing it.

Anyhow, your picture of the above and below... over eons of geological time... possibly uniting... image was missing. I figured I could add in what I was going to already write to you by E-mail to please make that image appear again. Or I thought maybe I could right click on the image and see its Properties and maybe find it online, and when replying to Fox, I could have the same stone formations showing that you had posted before. No such luck... hahahahahahaha, instead, the very first result on Google images was from... of course... a location that is meaningful regarding my One and Only. Get this, my daughter and I and a man in his mid-70s in age were THERE in person less than two weeks ago. The man actually knew Lee and saw and talked with him every day for over six months 50-some years ago. He has no problem believing that it might very well be possible for the deceased One and Only to now have become a between the worlds communicator. I was going to send you a brief video by E-mail of our get together at the location you can readily guess. I was having trouble with getting the thing from my Android to my Computer, so I had not sent it yet. This stuff is what my daughter and I were talking about 8-9-10 now hours ago before I came back home last night. I could show her on my Android how you had added that image back to your post instead of my having to find it online or asking you to make it visible.

OK, I am going to insert here now what I was looking at on the Internet when I heard the click on AOL that contained the notice of this post you just made. There is someone else who takes dictation from Lee that can be printed out after it is sent to me by E-mail. This is the time stamp on that communication: 10/8/2012 5:40:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time. A name had been given which turned out to be an actor from the late 1960s who had been in an odd TV series I have never seen called Sliders which was about time travel and multiverses and exchanging or doubling identities... kind of like the alternate identity "other us"... that some folks here on the forum sometimes mention. Right before I left my daughter's house last night, she had said to me that she had been trying to find some illumination objects that would not be lighted candles and not be in any form of glass that could be broken in the setting in which we soon intend to use them. She will laugh when I send her this image because it fits with what she had been telling me about what modern non-flame and non-glass she did find for such lighting. This resulted from the name Lee had given in dictation, and she would have only been about 5 years old when those old programs were being aired, so she could not have been the intentional origin of any of this info either. OK, I've got the late 1960s image now on my computer and will upload it here. I do not know how Lee and his collaboraters on the Other Side do this, or know this can happen, but the last name of the actor in this TV series from around 1967 is also the last name of the man who knew Lee 50 years ago. He will laugh too when I send him this info by E-mail later this morning. (Slight correction here: Google automatically changed part of the name I was searching, which I did not realize until later, but from that "mistake" came this very significant synchronicity that might not have otherwise happened.)

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P.S. Ah well, it has taken me so many hours to post this because my computer decided to shut down completely during an automatic middle of the night update. Fortunately, I have learned to periodically save what I am writing in a long post. so as not to lose it all in a computer or connection failure. The last part of what I was saying did get lost. I will take that to mean that I should make that rewritten material the topic of another post... since it was actually more suitable for me to address those comments to Roger directly. It was about an actor named Henry Irving and his manager Stoker when they came to the United States together in... hmm, I will have to look up that date. They may have encountered an American actor who wrote an interesting esoteric play with a lady author who had a very direct relationship to the location alluded to above.

5:19 AM - HMMMM, looks like I have made a big mistake about the dating of this stuff. That series was set in part in the 1960s but apparently was first broadcast in 1995. I will correct this in awhile. Time to get some coffee and get the facts straight... after a break from all this. 5:55 AM - I am not going to delete all those freaky mistakes I made above about when or what happened. Of course, I was kind of wondering about multiverses being discussed on TV in the 1960s... that seemed not likely... What this teaches me is to not do posts wired on coffee with protein booster stuff as creamer in the middle of the night and with my eye glasses needing updating for better reading vision on the computer. I may have turned a 1997 into a 1967. When I had to go back to see how I could have goofed up so much with this stuff, HEY, something else showed up from that TV series about sliding in and out of different time frames and alternative situations... in other more remote historical settings somehow appearing in some kind of over lapping with familiar cities in our own recent decades. I like this image a whole lot...

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This blurb is from Wiki: Sliders is an American science fiction television series that was broadcast for five seasons between 1995 and 2000. The series follows a group of travelers as they use a wormhole to "slide" between different parallel universes. The show was created by Robert K. Weiss and Tracy Tormé. Tormé, Weiss, Leslie Belzberg, John Landis, David Peckinpah, Bill Dial and Alan Barnette served as executive producers at different times of the production. For its first two seasons it was produced in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada. It was filmed primarily in Los Angeles, California, USA in the last three seasons.

The first three seasons of Sliders were aired by the Fox network. After being canceled by Fox, the series moved to Sci Fi Channel for its final two seasons. The last new episode first aired on December 29, 1999 in the United Kingdom, and was broadcast on Sci Fi Channel on February 4, 2000.

The show follows a group of people, called "Sliders", as they travel ("sliding") between different Earths in parallel universes via a wormhole-like "vortex", hoping to return safely to their original Earth Prime. The vortex can only be opened at random but preset intervals on each new world, monitored by a countdown clock on a portable timer that they carry; failure to open the vortex in time would strand the Sliders for 29 years in that universe. While waiting for the timer countdown, the group learns about the differences in the alternate Earth from their own, and often become unwillingly involved in events that they must resolve before they can safely leave via the vortex. As a result of the misuse of the timer in the pilot episode, the travelers have no control over what world they end up in, but continually look for means to repair the timer and find Earth Prime.

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Now I need to follow Marie-Louise von Franz' advice and go do something ordinary like wash dishes and then get some more sleep instead of trying to figure out how I could be so dense about 1967 versus 1997 in the dating of this TV series... as if anybody could have had had a mini computer in or out of an underground setting before 1970...

Suzanne

_________________"Only if a man dares to entrust himself again to the depth of his origin can he reach the height for which he was destined." Karlfried Graf Durckheim

Wed Oct 10, 2012 10:05 am

Roger Faglin

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Re: Marie-Louise von Franz' Dream of the Return of Carl Jung

Remo Roth wrote:

And what do you think that this capricorn means, Roger?

Greetings, Remo

Cher Remo,

I was intrigued that in your dream Jung was greeting you from the Capricorn era, something very far in the future. I was also wondering about the position of the capricorn symbol (so close to 'noon') in the picture. i guess this is why I associated the picture to your dream. But there is something else. When you look at the way the zodiac is represented in the picture you will notice that it's upside down as compared to traditional imagery as for instance here:

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So it's a view from below in E. Perrot's image.

Now honestly I have no idea what it means. The immediate link between the capricorn and me is of course that I was born on December 24th, that is to say I am an astrological capricorn. But this does not lead very far, does it?

So everything should be about the meaning of the 'capricorn age', a very confused topic among the specialists in the domain...

Any hint is welcome.Roger

_________________Fire over wood:THE IMAGE of THE CAULDRON.Thus the superior man consolidates his fate By making his position correct.The fate of fire depends on wood; as long as there is wood below, the fire burns above. It is the same in human life; there is in man likewise a fate that lends power to his life. And if he succeeds in assigning the right place to life and to fate, thus bringing the two into harmony, he puts his fate on a firm footing.

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Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:38 pm

fox

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Re:Another world

Hi Suzanne,

You said : "A name had been given which turned out to be an actor from the late 1960s who had been in an odd TV series I have never seen called Sliders which was about time travel and multiverses and exchanging or doubling identities."

I know a little this series. Maybe Fringe, a series that I love, is somehow the heir of Sliders. My unconscious seems very interested in this series. I think I have two recent dreams about "doubling identities" one about my grandfather, deceased and one about Walter Bishop, hero of Fringe. But that's just an hypothesis, I'm not sure.

But mostly I wanted to respond to that image you posted :

Here a dream of December 31, 2011 :

I am a prisoner with a group of people I know. But there is also another person, a sort of slave irritable. Finally, we manage to escape and try to follow this "slave". We lose track. At the edge of the sea, in the water, I see a strange shape. There is a "passage" under water. We descend. Wearriveatasortoftunnel : inside , golden sand flowing to the other side, it is very beautiful. Ontheotherside,IseeagiantPharaoh. This "other side" seems to be another world than ours, something beautiful. Pharaoh seems to be God. I want to see the other side but the giant Pharaoh seems vibrant with great anger and watching us . He tries to destroy us (or capture us?) With its immense powers. I manage the impossible: I escape. I have the power to move me to a very high speed. Yet I feel like "cheating" it is impossible to escape, it is as if I had "arranged" / "modified" the dream. Then I think the dream continues.

p.s :Yesterday I watched the movie "Frequency". The story begins October 10, 1999 and October 10, 1969.Frequency is a 2000 American science fiction film that contains elements of time travel, thriller, and alternate history film genres. It was directed by Gregory Hoblit and written by Toby Emmerich. The film stars Dennis Quaid and James Caviezel as father and son, Frank and John Sullivan respectively. It was filmed in Toronto and New York City.

_________________There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not? ( Robert Kennedy quoting George Bernard Shaw )

Wed Oct 10, 2012 8:40 pm

fox

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Re: Marie-Louise von Franz' Dream of the Return of Carl Jung

I discussed the picture of the WS with someone interested in astrology. She told me that people born under the sign of Capricorn were silent.

_________________There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not? ( Robert Kennedy quoting George Bernard Shaw )

Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:11 pm

Roger Faglin

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Re: Marie-Louise von Franz' Dream of the Return of Carl Jung

fox wrote:

I discussed the picture of the WS with someone interested in astrology. She told me that people born under the sign of Capricorn were silent.

nothing to add

Roger

_________________Fire over wood:THE IMAGE of THE CAULDRON.Thus the superior man consolidates his fate By making his position correct.The fate of fire depends on wood; as long as there is wood below, the fire burns above. It is the same in human life; there is in man likewise a fate that lends power to his life. And if he succeeds in assigning the right place to life and to fate, thus bringing the two into harmony, he puts his fate on a firm footing.

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Thu Oct 18, 2012 7:20 pm

fox

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Re: Marie-Louise von Franz' Dream of the Return of Carl Jung

Capricorn is linked with this:

_________________There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not? ( Robert Kennedy quoting George Bernard Shaw )

Fox, once again I have to thank you for sharing something of your individuation process. Could I trouble you to expand on how Capricorn is linked to a Green-Gold “HeartLight” rain shower of teardrops? Further, to the source of this image and how you came into relationship with it.

I must admit – I am, for an abundance of good reasons, quite taken with this beautiful image – some of which I will share in what follows. “Reciprocal individuation” is on-going.

Firstly, it reminds me of the following Cornucopia cloud appearance over 14,179 foot high Mount Shasta – an image I took on 6 February 2011 as I stood in front of our home along with some other pictures – like the mirror Lake Shastina image that is behind our home. Like this a Cornucopia is connected to a flow from the heart chakra as suggested in the erupting volcanic image of Krakatoa I posted in reaction to your sharing of a dream of Perrot in Squaring The Circle. It’s as if a flow from this still active volcano is connected to the heart chakra flow in your Capricorn image. Where the opening of the Cornucopia is located I later saw a huge luminous/numinous vision of Our Lady of Fatima in Her Queen of Peace garment that was holding a scroll in her right hand (this scroll was connected to the “Scroll of the Ultimate” as noted in the movie Bullet Proof Monk) as seen in the image below – connecting Her to the flow from the Cornucopia. This luminous lady told me that the scroll had been read in its entirety and like this “superpowers are granted.”

As Above So Below For the Miracle of the One Thing – The Union of the Opposites

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The cornucopia or horn of plenty is a symbol of abundance and nourishment, commonly a large horn-shaped container overflowing with produce, flowers, nuts, other edibles, or wealth in some form. Originating in classical antiquity, it has continued as a symbol in Western art, and it is particularly associated with the Thanksgiving holiday in North America.

I should also mention that the above was proceeded by a reference to the movie which involved walking The (Black) Road – suggesting like this that this transpersonal fire is not going to be a panacea although it has the potential of creating such an effect depending on the reception it receives by each individual soul. It reminds me of Jung’s comment, “a sea of grace is soon met by a seething lake of fire.”

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Panacea - A remedy for all diseases, evils, or difficulties; a cure-all.

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A father and his young son struggle to survive a number of years after an unspecified, devastating cataclysm has destroyed civilization, killed all plant and animal life, and obscured the sun; only remnants of mankind remain alive, reduced to scavenging or cannibalism. Man and boy are traveling southward, in the hope that it will be warmer. Along the way, they search for shelter, food, and fuel, and avoid bands of cannibals while trying to maintain their own sense of humanity.

Further, your raindrop showering cornucopia image reminds me of the following image of a golden teardrop I saw in a vision on 10 August 2009.

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Finally, this morning I saw an image of an eyelid opening orientated N-S – positioning like this the eye duct towards the center of the view. It seems to be a 270 degree clockwise rotation of the above image. It reminds me of an hour hand pointing to the 6 o’clock position and like this the teardrops would flow from the empty center of this imaginary clock face with the numeral 6 being a connection to the Seal of Solomon. Further, it reminded me of how one turns a key in a lock on a door.

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On 22 January 2011 I saw a vision of a double five pointed star flowing gold from its “empty” center in a Stargate/Stardate “Star Wars” clock face image – something that was connected to the climaxing clitoris of the World Soul.

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Teardrop shapes are connected to the “tongues of fire” that descended on the apostles at Pentecost as can be seen in an artistic view in the following “Illustrated Bible” images (note the RAINBOW of colors in the "subtle body" garments in the frist image). This 2nd Baptism in the Holy Spirit triggers the quest for the conscious realization of the alchemical Christ – something that includes not just the unio mentalis but also the unio corporalis stage of the opus.

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A devastating “Quantum Leap” effect nears. It’s a connection to the Fire Sower image (Fire Lady?) seen in Jung’s Collected Works except this transpersonal “fire” comes from below, from the feminine side, from the Earth (viz. volcano) which connects its effects to the unio corporalis stage of the activity of the coniunctio archetype.

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The Fire Sower

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From CW 10; Civilization In TransitionUFOS IN MODERN PAINTING§ 732 This brings me to a question I have been asked over and over again by my patients: What is the use of a compensation that, because of its symbolic form, is not understood by the conscious mind? The language of the unconscious does not have the intentional clarity of conscious language; it is a condensation of numerous data, many of them subliminal, whose connection with the conscious contents is not known. These data do not take the form of a directed judgment, but follow an instinctive, archaic “pattern” which, because of its mythological character, is not recognized by the reasoning mind. The reaction of the unconscious is a natural phenomenon that is not concerned to benefit or guide the personal human being, but is regulated exclusively by the demands of psychic equilibrium. Thus there are times when, as I have often seen, a dream that is not understood can still have a compensatory effect, even though as a rule conscious understanding is required on the alchemical principle “Quod natura relinquit imperfectum, ars perficit” (what nature leaves imperfect, the art perfects). Were this not so, human reflection and effort would be superfluous. For its part, the conscious mind often proves incapable of recognizing the full scope and significance of certain vital situations it has created for itself, and so challenges the unconscious to bring up the subliminal context, which, however, is written not in rational language but in an archaic one with two or more meanings. And since the metaphors it uses reach far back into the history of the human mind, its interpreters will need historical knowledge in order to understand its meaning.

§ 733 This is true also of our painting (of the Fire Sower): it is a picture that reveals its meaning only with the aid of historical amplification. The fear from which it sprang is explained by the collision of the artist’s conscious world with a strange apparition that came from an unknown region of his being. This world behind, below, and above us appears to us as the unconscious, which adds its subliminal contents to the images we consciously create. Thus there arises the figure of a homo maximus, an Anthropos and [filius hominis[/i] of fiery nature, whose godlikeness or numinosity is proved by the fact that he immediately evokes similar figures in our minds, such as Enoch, Christ (“I am come to send fire on the earth, and what will I, if it be already kindled?” Luke 12:49), or Elijah, or the visions of Daniel and Ezekiel. Since Yahweh’s fire chastises, kills and consumes, the spectator is also at liberty to think of Jacob Boehme’s “wrath-fire,” which contains hell itself together with Lucifer. The scattered flames could therefore signify the “enthusiasm” of the Holy Ghost as well as the fire of evil passions – in other words, the extremes of emotion and affect which human nature is capable of, but which in ordinary life are prohibited, suppressed, hidden, or altogether unconscious. It is probably not without good reason that the name “Lucifer” applies to both Christ and the devil. The Temptation in Mathew 4:3 describes the split between them, and the fight against the devil and his angels exemplifies the mutual opposition and at the same time the inner relationship between the two sides of a moral judgment. An opposition exists only where two principles conflict with one another, but not where one is and the other not, or where there is only a one-sided dependence, such as when only good has substance but not evil.

§ 734 The fiery figure is ambiguous and therefore unites the opposites. It is a “uniting symbol,” a totality beyond human consciousness, making whole the fragmentariness of the merely conscious man. It is a bringer of salvation and disaster at once. What it will be, for good or ill, depends on the understanding and ethical decision of the individual. The picture is a kind of message to modern man, admonishing him to meditate on the signs that appear in the heavens and to interpret them aright.

§ 735 The reflection of the UFO phenomenon in the artists’ fantasy has produced a picture whose basic features are similar to those in dreams. It belongs to another dimension, to a world of gods that seems to have no connection with our reality. The picture gives one the impression of a vision, beheld by one singled out and elect, who was permitted to see what the gods do secretly on earth. (GJS: Jung’s “you are privileged” comment earlier in this post flashes back at this point.) The artist’s interpretation of the phenomenon is at an astronomical remove from the popular view that UFOs are controlled space machines.

I would only add that “getting singed” by this transpersonal fire is no minor event. I have spent the last (2013-1976) 37 years coming to grips with its consciousness raising effect since its white teardrop shape first touched me in a 2nd baptism Pentecostal experience of the Holy Spirit in February of 1976 – starting at the shins and moving up through my body too dwell in the heart and then to continue out through the 3rd eye as seen in the following image. Shin entry has been connected to laming (something that impacts your standpoint - your worldview) – something that happened to the two thieves crucified with Christ when the soldiers shattered their shins on Good Friday – ending like this their life due to suffocation (a water boarding 2nd chakra connection) since this prevented them from raising their body in order take another breath. Having so far been “37 years before the mast” (As an idiom it means, "He who dares to teach must never cease to learn.") obviously much more could be said.

Regarding suffering I recall the story of the enlightenment of Buddha.

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As he sat under the tree his concentration deepened and his wisdom grew brighter. In this clear and peaceful state of mind he began to examine the nature of life. "What is the cause of suffering", he asked himself, " and what is the path to everlasting joy?"

In his mind's eye he looked far beyond his own country, far beyond his own world. Soon the sun, planets, the stars out in space and distant galaxies of the universe all appeared in his meditation.

He saw how everything, from the smallest speck of dust to the largest star, was linked together in a constantly changing pattern: growing, decaying and growing again. Everything was related. Nothing happened without a cause and every cause had an effect on everything else.

As he saw how everything was connected in this way, deeper truths appeared to his mind. He looked deeply into himself and discovered that his life as Siddhartha the Prince was but the latest in a series of lifetimes that had no beginning - and that the same was true of everyone. We are born, live and die not one time, but again and again. He saw that death is only the separation of the mind from its present body. After death the importance of Karma is central to the next journey. After death the mind goes on to find a new body in the same was that a traveller leaves a guest house and moves on to find another. When one life ends, another begins - and in this way the wheel of death and birth keeps spinning around and around.

He also saw that in our travels from one life to the next we are constantly changing and constantly affecting one another. Like actors changing parts in a play, our roles change as we move from life to life. Sometimes we are rich and comfortable; sometimes we are poor and miserable. Occasionally we experience pleasure, but more often we find ourselves with problems. And Siddhartha also saw that as our conditions change, so do our relations with others: we have all been each other's friend and enemy, mother and father, son and daughter thousands upon thousands of times in the past.

Then he looked at all of the suffering in the world. He saw how everyone - from the smallest insect to the greatest king - runs after pleasure, only to end up with dissatisfaction. When we do not find what we are searching for we are miserable, and even when we do find the pleasure we seek it soon fades and we have to look for something else.

And he saw how living beings create their own misery and joy. Blind to the truth that everything is always changing, they lie, steal and even kill to get the things that they want, even though these things can never give them the lasting happiness they desire. And the more their minds fill with greed and hate, the more they harm each other - and themselves! Each harmful action leads them to more and more unhappiness. They are searching for peace yet find nothing but pain.

Finally, he discovered the way to end all this suffering. If a person could see the truth clearly - as he himself had seen in this night - then all confused running after pleasure and away from pain would stop. Without any more greed and hatred in our mind, we should never do anything to harm anyone else. Having overcome all the selfishness in our mind, we shall have destroyed the causes of unhappiness completely. With our hatred removed, our hearts will fill with love, and this love will bring us a peace and happiness unlike anything we have ever felt.

When Siddhartha had seen all this, even the last speck of darkness disappeared from his mind. He was filled with a radiant clear light. He was no longer an ordinary person. With a calm and peaceful smile, he arose from his meditation. In the golden daybreak, so it is said, Siddhartha looked up and saw the morning star. And then a great understanding came to him. He saw in his mind all the life of the world and the planets; of all the past and all the future. He understood the meaning of existence, of why we are here on this earth and what has created us. At long last he found the truth, he established the principles of Karma.

Now he was the Buddha, the fully liberated one, awakened, enlightened. The search of six long years had ended. It was a day when the full-moon shone, casting a bright silver light on the whole countryside, a day in the month of Vesak (May).

The Buddha was thirty-five years old and, for a week, following Enlightenment, he sat under the tree enjoying the state of perfect happiness he had achieved. The Tree later became known as the Tree of Enlightenment or the Bodhi-Tree and the place is still known as Buddha Gaya. He spent a further six weeks near the tree. It is said that for a whole week, he gazed at the tree with gratitude for having sheltered him.

Gregory

P.S. Recall that the golden teardrop is a connection to honey which is connected to being in the Eros ego altered state of consciousness.

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In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams. Acts 2:17

Could I trouble you to expand on how Capricorn is linked to a Green-Gold “HeartLight” rain shower of teardrops? Further, to the source of this image and how you came into relationship with it.

In his book about Atalanta Fugiens I now reread, Etienne Perrot comments this emblem:

On it, we saw the goat Amalthée. Perrot says : "To reward his nurse to have served so well, Zeus gave her a divine destiny. He placed her image in the sky where it became the constellation of Capricorn."He also says : "one of its horns was detached from its body and became the cornucopia"That made me think of this topic, so I decided to post an image of the cornucopia. I had some problems with the first image I chose, so I finally chose this one. I had not noticed that it was connected with the heart chakra ...

Before yesterday I had a dream, I don't know if it is connected with all this :

I'm out, I walk in the street, it is night. I struggled to keep my eyes open. I look at the sky. There is a lot of shooting stars. I think it is an alien invasion.I'm in my parents' apartment with my family. It is night. I open the window (of my bedroom?) There is a sort of rain of stars from the sky down to my window. I do not know how to really describe it. This "rain" is petrified. I take with my hand a handful of stars. I look at one of them: these stars are very small, they are five-pointed stars. I do not remember the color. (White or yellow?) I'm starting to think about their origin, the universe. (I do not remember my exact thoughts, nor all the details of the dream)

I don't understand this dream.

_________________There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not? ( Robert Kennedy quoting George Bernard Shaw )

He (Perrot) also says: "one of its horns was detached from its body and became the cornucopia."

Thank you. I was not aware of this. I see from astrology sites on the Internet that this is a common understanding of how the cornucopia came into being.

Fox wrote:

That made me think of this topic, so I decided to post an image of the cornucopia. I had some problems with the first image I chose, so I finally chose this one. I had not noticed that it was connected with the heart chakra ...

Whenever I look for a cornucopia image on the Internet I always find them overflowing with fruits and vegetables. So the image you found really struck me as more relevant to my material, especially that it was pouring out transpersonal fire. Could I trouble you for the web address at which you found this image – I would like to see if the artist reveals what inspired the painting of this image.

Fox wrote:

I'm out, I walk in the street, it is night. I struggled to keep my eyes open. I look at the sky. There is a lot of shooting stars. I think it is an alien invasion.

I'm in my parents' apartment with my family. It is night. I open the window (of my bedroom?) There is a sort of rain of stars from the sky down to my window. I do not know how to really describe it. This "rain" is petrified. I take with my hand a handful of stars. I look at one of them: these stars are very small, they are five-pointed stars. I do not remember the color. (White or yellow?) I'm starting to think about their origin, the universe.

The green dress in the cornucopia image reminds me of the following hyperspace “wind tunnel” vision of 2006 having a black woman standing in its throat wearing a green dress. This was eventually connected to being a flow through the heart chakra using a slice of wood from a tree trunk with an open hexagon in its center - and that flow was eventually shown to be "popcorn" rain. Popcorn has a complicated folded surface and like this was connected to being an image for the hidden dimensions Beyond our 4-dimensional world of spacetime – the so-called Calabi-Yau manifold. Following this kind of logic I have concluded that a five pointed star signifies a flow from a 5th dimension, a Stargate which opens when having “squared the circle” via being in the Eros ego – like this it interfaces with our 4-dimensional world. Thus your 5-pointed stars “raining” down into your hand suggests something (archetypal images) has come out of the cornucopia from the Beyond. Like this it heralds the start of Her Star Wars with the inhabitants of the planet Earth. I amplify with the following.

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Stars Falling From Heaven

Although I cannot go into every aspect of symbolism in the Book of Revelation, I wish to call particular attention to the imagery of “stars falling from heaven” when the sixth seal is broken:

In my vision, when he broke the sixth seal, there was a violent earthquake and the sun went as black as coarse sackcloth; the moon turned red as blood all over, and the stars of the sky fell on to the earth like figs dropping from a fig tree when a high wind shakes it; the sky disappeared like a scroll rolling up and all the mountains and islands were shake from their places. Then all the earthly rulers, the governors and the commanders, the rich people and the men of influence, the whole population, slaves and citizens, took to the mountains to hide in caves and among the rocks. They said to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us away from the One who sits on the throne and from the anger of the Lamb. For the Great Day of his anger has come, and who can survive it?” (6:12-17) (See figure 4.3)

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Figure 4.3 Stars Falling From Heaven – Opening The Sixth Seal; Dürer“Stars falling from heaven” is an image of the “upper” or spiritual aspect of the collective unconscious erupting into consciousness. The “stars” would signify archetypal entities that fall down to “earth,” they fall into the ego, in effect. So what we have is an invasion of consciousness by the collective unconscious. Now this is one of the features of the coming of the Self.

Some of you may remember a very impressive dream that I report in Creation of Consciousness on page 28. I bring it up in more detail later, but at the beginning of that dream the dreamer is standing on the Palisades on the opposite side of the Hudson river from Manhattan and he's watching Manhattan being invaded by giant aliens from outer space; and “fireballs were in the sky, heading for the earth.” So that's a variation of the same theme, of the stars falling from heaven. There's another dream that I quote in Anatomy of the Psyche on page 90 in which a woman described a piece of the moon falling down to earth into her apartment. I won't go into that any further but it's an example of how this basic image can express itself in the process of analysis. Of course the image is a very common one in the phenomenology of psychosis. When the collective unconscious bursts wide open and inundates the ego with transpersonal images that the ego can't handle.

As our study proceeds, we will see that this invasion by the unconscious happens from two directions simultaneously. It's an invasion from above and it's an invasion from below. Both sets of images are directly applicable to what come up when the unconscious starts to open up. Edinger, Archetype of the Apocalypse, p. 67.

Fox, thanks for the image link. Like this I was able to trace the image to its original source on a Russian website – See http://beautyart.ucoz.ru/photo/tatjana_ ... ie/5-0-270 The following “best” translation gives an insight into the artist’s connection with this image. In the image I notice that the woman wears a golden “crown” as if the mana of her knowing is a connection to the golden raindrops that flows from her cornucopia heart. This “heart” strikes me as being a co-creative outcome of the alchemical opus. Further, behind her is the radiance of the one world, the unus mundus – it reminds me of the radiance seen emanating from the center of the Holy Cross image shared at the end of Squaring The Circle.

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Abundance is love, wisdom, talents, virtues and material goods, i.e., all what we need to accomplish the divine plan on Earth. The energy of God should come easily to us, pass through us and to materialize in the form of abundance. Man, if he wishes to receive the abundance, prosperity and joy of a creative life, needs to fully immerse himself in the higher self and remain in constant awareness. Be with this other like a best friend, trusting the higher self with all your plans. The Gospel says, “Seek first the Kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all else will follow you.” (Mt 6:33). Merged with the heart of the other, we will gain happiness, joy, peace, wisdom, strength and wealth.

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Is there a connection with the Jung carving about the milk of the mare?

Not that I am aware of. Pegasus is connected to the unfolding of Aquarius. Perhaps Pegasus was originally connected to a unicorn. Its detached horn would then be a “unicorn heart” flowing gifts normally attributed to Pegasus whose hoof opens a spring of creativity when it strikes the earth. It is confusing to see a horn from Capricorn nourishing the Age of Aquarius. Nevertheless I am very attracted by its golden rain because of its color connection to the alchemical Christ.

Gregory

Fri Aug 02, 2013 7:10 pm

Sang

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Re: Marie-Louise von Franz' Dream of the Return of Carl Jung

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It is confusing to see a horn from Capricorn nourishing the Age of Aquarius. Nevertheless I am very attracted by its golden rain because of its color connection to the alchemical Christ.

I don't know if it is interesting but I remember an old dream where I was outside near the home of my grandparents. Nolwenn Leroy came (French singer of Breton origin, highlighting her Celtic origins). Our discussion focused on her astrological sign. I thought she was Scorpion but no, she told me she was Capricorn.

Leroy reminds me of our recent discussion about Arthur.At that time, I associated Capricorn with what Jung had said in his autobiography.

_________________There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not? ( Robert Kennedy quoting George Bernard Shaw )

Remo F. Roth The day before the above dream of Eva (without knowing of her dream of course; and she didn't know of my reading) I dealt with the UFO dream from 1983 (one of the first I had; I guess the second one). By the greenish color of the UFO I was reminded of the story of El Chidhr, Moses and the fish. Jung writes about it in GW 5, §§ 281.

El Chidhr is identical with the Prophet Eliah and a parallel to the Jewish Ahashver. They all are the 'eternal youth.' They are the heralds of divine wisdom. They are 'eternal wanderers' and immortal. Especially El Chidhr is connected to the aeon of the Goat-Fish - the original designation of the aeon of Capricorn. The latter is the aeon that comes after Aquarius.

In his Memories, Dreams, Reflections, p. 372 Jung writes about the Goat-Fish in connection with Capricorn:

'I do not imagine that in my reflections on the meaning of man and his myth I have uttered a final truth, but I think that this is what can be said at the and of our aeon of the Fishes, and perhaps must be said in view of the coming aeon of Aquarius (the Water Bearer), who has a human figure and is next to the sign of the Fishes. This is a CONIUNCTIO OPPOSITORUM composed of two fishes in reverse. The Water Bearer seems to represent the self. With a sovereign gesture he pours the contents of his jug into the mouth of PISCIS AUSTRINUS, which symbolises a son, a still unconscious content. Out of this unconscious content will emerge, after the passage of another aeon of more than two thousand years, a future whose features are indicated by the symbol of Capricorn: an AIGOKEROS, the monstrosity of the Goat-Fish, symbolising the mountain and the depth of the sea, a polarity made up of the differentiated animal elements which have grown together. This strange being could easily be the primordial image of a Creator-god confronting 'man,' the Anthropos. On this question there is a silence within me, as there is in the empirical data at my disposal.'July 9 at 6:26pm · Edited · Like

Thanks Sang. I read this in the 1980s and had forgotten it. Interestingly, I was prompted within to see what Jung had to say about Capricorn after my post Cornucopia Heart. I did a word search on Capricorn in all his seminars and Collected Works but the Capricorn material I found did not resonate except for the following one which immediately flashed me back to the extremely unusual (I had not seen such a thing before or since) Cornucopia cloud vortex over Mount Shasta and its mirror image in the lake and the caption I added - for the following quote connects to the Capricorn “mountain & sea” aspects in the image. The underline is my emphasis.

As Above So Below For the Miracle of the One Thing – The Union of the Opposites

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The goat-fish. (This was the imperial sign on the coat-of-arms of Augustus Caesar.) After the dead man contained in the sea, the next sign is this goat-fish. He is half fish and half goat, meaning that at first, as the fish, he is deep down in the sea, out of sight in the unconscious. Then he rises to the surface and climbs to the highest peaks and valleys. This is the sun, the promise of the new year, so some astrologers call the time after Christmas the "Promise of the Year." It is the time of the birth of Mithras, the birth of Christ, the birth of the new light, the whole hope of the coming year. People (GJS: 2nd ) born then have strong hearts. They are ambitious, but they have to work hard to achieve their ends. Jung, Dream Analysis Seminar, p. 409

Today when I read the following quote from MDR I immediately had the impression that some kind of time warp may take place – as if an effect from the future is going to impact the present – a paranormal happening to say the least. It’s FRINGE science but like Fox I am a fan of FRINGE science and that TV series. I have underlined the parts that stitch together the content that could provide a potential “blowback” from the future. Like this the “Cornucopia Heart” pours out her transforming transpersonal FIRE – something which contains the potential to unleash the alchemical Christ consciousness realization in humanity – depending on the reception it receives.

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The Water Bearer seems to represent the self. With a sovereign gesture he pours the contents of his jug into the mouth of PISCIS AUSTRINUS, which symbolises a son, a still unconscious content. Out of this unconscious content will emerge, after the passage of another aeon of more than two thousand years, a future whose features are indicated by the symbol of Capricorn: an AIGOKEROS, the monstrosity of the Goat-Fish, symbolising the mountain and the depth of the sea (lake?), a polarity made up of the differentiated animal elements which have grown together. This strange being could easily be the primordial image of a Creator-god confronting 'man,' the Anthropos. On this question there is a silence within me, as there is in the empirical data at my disposal. C.G. Jung, MDR, p. 372

In my material such an event is characterized as an “Electromagnetic Apocalyptic Pulse of lovE” (EMAP of lovE – Earth MAP?) – something that “saves the world.” It’s what Remo refers to in his book Return of the World Soul as an anti-bomb effect. In my material this "HeartLight" anti-bomb has evolved over the years into the following “new birth” image that flows out of the heart chakra. More could be said but the essence is conveyed in the image. Interestingly, the planet Earth just narrowly missed a Carrington event that could have destroyed civilization on the planet a few weeks ago due to a solar flare EMP event that could have knocked out electrical grids worldwide for years. Inner and outer are approaching each other for a “One World” encounter it seems. There is a real danger here it seems to me of inner and outer events coinciding (as they mirror each other) as the World Soul (the bringer of the one world) returns for the wedding of the Black Madona with humanity. I know, more “far-out” FRINGE science and yet these images have come forth and seek to be consciously understood. It's like parallel universes approaching collision - the main theme featured in FRINGE.

P.S. As I proof read this post today (4 Aug.) I realize that a simpler explanation of the images would be to conclude that the effects from a Cornucopia Heart flow means to suggest that this Capricorn horn flow will have effects that persist into the Age of Capricorn. This interpretation would be in agreement with Remo's dream shared earlier in this thread.

Sat Aug 03, 2013 2:48 pm

Sergio Rodriguez

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Re: Marie-Louise von Franz' Dream of the Return of Carl Jung

Me, an apprentice in this subjects, wants to say one interpretation of the dream, with my poverty of knowledges.

ML von franz is washing the laundry. What we have to understand? We can think as it was an earthly and old activity of the women, washing with her own hands for thousands years. An opposite and modest activity for her, opposite to her intellectual work. But we have to think why is washing and not cutting firewood, per esample. What do we meant with washing the laundry? Cleaning the dirt, the spots of the clothes. So here enter the black madonna. What is she? For me she is the conjuntio of the earthly woman, joined to the idea of evil, submited to men, and spiritual woman that is already admited as a dogma by the catholic church and is the mother of God. That is still in our future. That's a think that Jung talks in his memories. So that's the reason why Jung comes. The weadding is with the consciousness of the mankind. But why is ML von franz invited? It's sure that is a relation with the laundry activity. It's the introduction of the dream, so is the initial condition. the invitation of one hundred to the weading is the ending, the solution of the dream. That is the weak point of my interpretation. A crude solution would be: she is tired and irritated that women had to bear with his evil shadow, that colective shadow that women are the evil: febles,traitors, always below the mens vision. This is symbolized with his female hand job. The wedding of the black maddona will correct this. The one hundred guest maybe are the prophets of his comming.

_________________There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not? ( Robert Kennedy quoting George Bernard Shaw )

Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:46 pm

constance

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Re: Marie-Louise von Franz' Dream of the Return of Carl Jung

Hello Roth and all the subscribers!I'm new here. I would like to give my contribution to the posts, even if the thread seems to have stopped in some.But as I understood there's a timeless quality in the forum..... which is much to my liking, as well as most of the topics being debated here.

So you will be seeing my comments here and there...

Last night I had the luck to land in Roth's page "The Archetype of the Holy Wedding in Alchemy and in the Unconscious of Modern Man", as I was doing a google search on "Holy Family + Sophia + Gnostics". But I have no idea how I landed there because of these key words (the text of Roth is only matching "holy").

I was really excited reading through this thread and also the one where Jung's "multiplicatio" process is mentioned.

I'm maybe repeating a few of what has been written, but I want to leave this info I found about CAPRICORN in case someone wants to read more on the subject.

Sun May 04, 2014 4:56 pm

constance

Joined: Sun May 04, 2014 1:33 amPosts: 3Location: PORTUGAL

CAPRICORN

"The best explanation of the Capricorn goat comes from the Capricorn zodiac sign myth that was discovered in the writings known as the Scriptures of Delphi. Basically the sea goats came from the first sea goat, Pricus, who was created by the god Chronos (Greek mythology). The legend goes that eventually all the sea goats made their way inevitably to land where they became the four-legged goats that we know today, leaving Pricus as the sole sea goat and the figure in Capricorn mythology."

"In his misery, Pricus begs Chronos to let him die, as he cannot bear to be the only sea-goat left. Chronos instead allows him to live out his immortality in the sky, as the constellation Capricorn"

----»»»» We have an interesting link with INDIVIDUATION because Pricus becomes the only one of his own species and from here comes the connection with the zodiac. The cosmos bellow (water) and the cosmos above... It is all about depths.

"The sea goatrules the tenth house of astrology. This house is defined by the Midheaven, the highest point of the horoscope, representing the highest aspirations and therefore your vocation."

"Not a marine mammal, the sea goat, better described as a goat fish, is a mythical creature with the head and upper body of a goat, and the lower body and tail of a fish. The sea goat symbol goes back over 4000 years, when it represented the Sumerian primordial god of waters, Enki."

"Capricorn (Latin Capricornus) is derived from the roots caperwhich means "goat", and cornu which means "horn".Therefore,Capricorn means "Goat's Horn". Mythologically, this is the horn of the she-goat Amalthea who nurtured the infant Zeus.

Cornucopia is derived from the roots cornu which means "horn", and copia / copiae which means "plenty", or "abundance". Therefore, Cornucopia means "Horn of Plenty". And, althoughwe may picture the Horn of Plenty overflowing with all of thefruits, vegetables and grains we require for our physicalsustenance, it also has a higher spiritual significance."

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Sun May 04, 2014 5:14 pm

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Re: Marie-Louise von Franz' Dream of the Return of Carl Jung

Welcome Constance!

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_________________Fire over wood:THE IMAGE of THE CAULDRON.Thus the superior man consolidates his fate By making his position correct.The fate of fire depends on wood; as long as there is wood below, the fire burns above. It is the same in human life; there is in man likewise a fate that lends power to his life. And if he succeeds in assigning the right place to life and to fate, thus bringing the two into harmony, he puts his fate on a firm footing.

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Sun May 04, 2014 5:18 pm

constance

Joined: Sun May 04, 2014 1:33 amPosts: 3Location: PORTUGAL

CAPRICORN -» SEAGOAT

A few months ago a friend told Capricorn was once a sea-goat, I was baffled and I felt it was very revealing!! Must have wired something in my brain... The idea inspired me a lot. So I did these "collages" while thinking in this ' new discovery ' and imagining my process with the exploration of the unconscious going further down into unchartered yet numinous territories - symbolized by the feeling of these images.The first scenes are from the movie The Abyss (classic!!!!) - but that "oval membrane" is from another source (it was some artistic work about atlantis). And this visual journey leads to a sacred and very familiar place under sea................

ps Btw did u know James Cameron the director of The Abyss conduced the "Deep Sea Challenge Expedition" himself in the deepest point on Earth, the Mariana Trench in 2012- it was like a void down there, bleak and empty. I suspect he was after the soul of the world... But what he found in his imagination, was deeper than his expedition.... That is why a lot of people feel so touched by this movie.

ABYSS - THE TRAVEL CALLING - CO|REALITY

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Sun May 04, 2014 5:37 pm

fox

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Re: Marie-Louise von Franz' Dream of the Return of Carl Jung

I had a dream this morning I remember only few details:Marie-Louise von Franz speaks of her dreams (visions?). In the last one, she saw the city of the Trinity.

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MLVF's dream“In summer of 1994 [Marie-Louise von Franz] was visited by a woman, a medium, who wanted to convince her to collaborate with her; she was certain that the Christian and the Buddhist spirit were presently uniting on the other side in order to save the world. Marie-Louise promised nothing - she wanted first to see what she might dream. The following night she had this dream:‘She is working in the laundry at the cloister in Einsiedeln. SheisgiventounderstandthatJungwouldcomedownfromheaventotheweddingoftheBlackMadonna. Marie-Louise is among the one hundred elect who are permitted to take part in the wedding.‘She then said that the unconscious was indeed preparing a remedy for the world and a union, to be sure not one "above in the spiritual realm," but a union of above and below, a union of spirit and matter. Very early on the Virgin Mary was thought to be "the earth;" the Black Madonna was a nature goddess. And yet the union comes about in a Christian framework, which she (Mary-Louise) never could accept. But still the dream filled her with the highest happiness.”

_________________There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask why? I dream of things that never were, and ask why not? ( Robert Kennedy quoting George Bernard Shaw )

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