OK.. Here is the legtimacy: Me! My name is Master Gurjot K. Singh, M Ed. MSIR.... I am the author of the Book, The Art of Western Tai Chi Chuan: The Supreme Ultimate and Sweet Science of Boxing with 10 Limbs. I was the owner of Angels Gym from 2006-2010 producing over 25 Pro/Am Champions at the City, State and Regional level recognized by the USAABA (Boxing), IKF (Kickboxing/Muay Thai), NAGA (Grappling) amd MMA Pro/Am contenders and Champions in VA/SC (CFP, EFC), Ed Clay's Gameness Promotions in TENN., and finally produced a Professional Belted (MMA) Champion for the State of PA (James "Killa" Watts). The organizations mentioned have sanctioned and recognized Angel's Gym as a legitimate Striking and Grappling institution. My videos (www.youtube.com/ANGELSGYMSINGH) are known around the world for combining Western Martial Combat Skills with Internal Pugilistic systems like Taiji Quan. My articles are read by thousands regarding the applied theory of Illusive Pugilism as published by Jade Dragon Magazine. I hold graduate degrees in Education and International relations and am a Retired Army Ranger whose internal pugilistic and healing skills are professonally recognized by the American Tai Chi and Qigong Association. All of this happened because of the recognition given to me by Grandmaster Ibraham Ahmed and the Committee of Masters from the World Martial Arts College. Although I am not a famous martial arts training and instructor I am highly respected by an elite segment of our community for introducing and producing combat athletes of significant skill. I can not speak for the other alumni vetted through the WMAC process but in my case the standards for recieving my rank in Taiji Quan was rigorous. The Grandmaster is a student trained in the direct lineage of the Yang Family and his critique of my theories and form was very high. I recieve my 4th Dan ranking when in the company of Master Cynthia Rothrock and Master Dan Wilson on 24 March 2012. I know these professionals could not be associated with illegitimate martial arts organizations; moreover, my reputation could not either as my work is being published in a European based Kung Fu Magazine. These are not all of the accounts of my work as soon a revolutionary prototype to assist practitioners of Internal & MMA will be presented called the Taiji Striking and Grappling Dummy ith additional articles on integrating the healing and preventive exercises of internal pugilism to the external exercises of MMA practitioners. Please goggle my name (Master Gurjot Singh, Illusive Internal Pugilism) to see more about me. I do not think I am the exception to many of my fellow alumni ... so know this... I did pay to recieve my recognition but no more than the payments I had to pay for my Accredited College degrees and I published in those areas of academia too ... that money was for professionals to review my work and investigate my backround because before I became owner of Angel's Gym I only had my Military record and my word and my videos to substantiate my skills.... That opened the door for me to prove myself a Master of Kickboxing and Taiji Quan training, form, function, scholarship and research. I am a product of WMAC vetting and I have been critiqued by traditional and contemporary combat traininers and practitioners and not found wanting in persoanl demonstration and academic publication.

OK.. Here is the legtimacy: Me! My name is Master Gurjot K. Singh, M Ed. MSIR.... I am the author of the Book, The Art of Western Tai Chi Chuan: The Supreme Ultimate and Sweet Science of Boxing with 10 Limbs. I was the owner of Angels Gym from 2006-2010 producing over 25 Pro/Am Champions at the City, State and Regional level recognized by the USAABA (Boxing), IKF (Kickboxing/Muay Thai), NAGA (Grappling) amd MMA Pro/Am contenders and Champions in VA/SC (CFP, EFC), Ed Clay's Gameness Promotions in TENN., and finally produced a Professional Belted (MMA) Champion for the State of PA (James "Killa" Watts). The organizations mentioned have sanctioned and recognized Angel's Gym as a legitimate Striking and Grappling institution. My videos (www.youtube.com/ANGELSGYMSINGH) are known around the world for combining Western Martial Combat Skills with Internal Pugilistic systems like Taiji Quan.

My articles are read by thousands regarding the applied theory of Illusive Pugilism as published by Jade Dragon Magazine. I hold graduate degrees in Education and International relations and am a Retired Army Ranger whose internal pugilistic and healing skills are professonally recognized by the American Tai Chi and Qigong Association. All of this happened because of the recognition given to me by Grandmaster Ibraham Ahmed and the Committee of Masters from the World Martial Arts College. Although I am not a famous martial arts training and instructor I am highly respected by an elite segment of our community for introducing and producing combat athletes of significant skill. I can not speak for the other alumni vetted through the WMAC process but in my case the standards for recieving my rank in Taiji Quan was rigorous. The Grandmaster is a student trained in the direct lineage of the Yang Family and his critique of my theories and form was very high.

I recieve my 4th Dan ranking when in the company of Master Cynthia Rothrock and Master Dan Wilson on 24 March 2012. I know these professionals could not be associated with illegitimate martial arts organizations; moreover, my reputation could not either as my work is being published in a European based Kung Fu Magazine. These are not all of the accounts of my work as soon a revolutionary prototype to assist practitioners of Internal & MMA will be presented called the Taiji Striking and Grappling Dummy ith additional articles on integrating the healing and preventive exercises of internal pugilism to the external exercises of MMA practitioners.

Please goggle my name (Master Gurjot Singh, Illusive Internal Pugilism) to see more about me. I do not think I am the exception to many of my fellow alumni ... so know this... I did pay to recieve my recognition but no more than the payments I had to pay for my Accredited College degrees and I published in those areas of academia too ... that money was for professionals to review my work and investigate my backround because before I became owner of Angel's Gym I only had my Military record and my word and my videos to substantiate my skills.... That opened the door for me to prove myself a Master of Kickboxing and Taiji Quan training, form, function, scholarship and research. I am a product of WMAC vetting and I have been critiqued by traditional and contemporary combat traininers and practitioners and not found wanting in persoanl demonstration and academic publication.

No, this doesn't give them any legitimacy at all. No, it is not like getting a college degree from an accredited university.

You know... This forum is called Bullshido.com for a reason... but it is a double edged sword: It exposes those without substantive skills that claim them and those who claim to know the difference but don't. I have many accreditied degrees as mentioned and have even taught at the college level. I know many accredited degree holders from very high academic institutions and was even challanged by some of them on my academic and professional theories in political science, history and training instruction method for Combat Arms armed and unarmed combat. Many were found lacking in experience and demonstrated proficiency. Accredidation is about the money also but that does not take away from a skilled graduate who can walk the walk and talk the talk.... Legitimacy, Accredidation and proficiency are not always complimentary or mutually validating terms.... In the Martial Arts on can claim anything but eventually they must demonstrate their proficiency in taining others and training themselves... I am a retired professional Combat Arms specialist, Martial Artist and Published author and some say scholar so I feel I have the right to correct you on this isssue: For ages in the Western and Eastern world of Martial Art lineage and Science teachers and students have proven themselves in a system and become recognized by an organization. The strength of the organizations recognition is founded in the demonstrated skill of its members in weapons, unarmed combat, healing and scholarship. In the 21st Century there is no room in academia for the field of study called Martial Arts in the Western World. Organizations like the World Martial Arts College may not grant ranks to many famous Martial Arts practitioners but they do grant them to those who have proficient skill in the system they claim to practice. Moreover, it is recognized by ligetimate Martial Art practitoners in MMA, CQC, Traditional and estern Martial systems to include famous practitioners who perform their skills in Martial Arts Films in Hollywood and Hong Kong. The event next week is testiment to this statement. WMAC is legitimate because its members are legitimate. I am one of those members and my fighters and trainers are known by MMA Greats such asd Tim Kennedy, Chris Lytle, "Little Evil" and Wanderlei Silva just to name a few and the list is growing still in my absence throught the trainers that I trained and left to run the gym... since my Gym was recognized by WMAC in 2006 the performances and training regimens constructed there gained recognition by the USAABA, IKF, NAGA, CPF, Gameness Promotions just to name a few.... but without that recognition my gym and its fighters and trainers would not have gotten into the door... Again this is Bullshido.com... we should not poretend that e are skilled when e are not and we should not pretend to know what we are talking about when we do not.... Peace

You know... This forum is called Bullshido.com for a reason... but it is a double edged sword: It exposes those without substantive skills that claim them and those who claim to know the difference but don't. I have many accreditied degrees as mentioned and have even taught at the college level. I know many accredited degree holders from very high academic institutions and was even challanged by some of them on my academic and professional theories in political science, history and training instruction method for Combat Arms armed and unarmed combat. Many were found lacking in experience and demonstrated proficiency.

It doesn't matter. The WMAC is not the same as an accredited college.

Accredidation is about the money also but that does not take away from a skilled graduate who can walk the walk and talk the talk.... Legitimacy, Accredidation and proficiency are not always complimentary or mutually validating terms.... In the Martial Arts on can claim anything but eventually they must demonstrate their proficiency in taining others and training themselves...

Good obfuscation, but what you just typed is erroneous. No, they are not always mutually validating terms when applied to WMAC. They are when applied to a legitimate accrediting organization. You let me know when it takes two years or longe, to get your "certifications," not a high priced weekend dinner or a 1000 word essay with a check.

I am a retired professional Combat Arms specialist, Martial Artist and Published author and some say scholar so I feel I have the right to correct you on this isssue: For ages in the Western and Eastern world of Martial Art lineage and Science teachers and students have proven themselves in a system and become recognized by an organization. The strength of the organizations recognition is founded in the demonstrated skill of its members in weapons, unarmed combat, healing and scholarship. In the 21st Century there is no room in academia for the field of study called Martial Arts in the Western World.

Hahahaha then you shouldn't try to use that model to explain why an organization is legitimate. You used college accreditation as an example, then try to say no it isn't valid.

Organizations like the World Martial Arts College may not grant ranks to many famous Martial Arts practitioners but they do grant them to those who have proficient skill in the system they claim to practice. Moreover, it is recognized by ligetimate Martial Art practitoners in MMA, CQC, Traditional and estern Martial systems to include famous practitioners who perform their skills in Martial Arts Films in Hollywood and Hong Kong. The event next week is testiment to this statement. WMAC is legitimate because its members are legitimate.

Sorry that's a logical fallacy. Enron was supported by scholars and intelligent businessman, they still lied and committed fraud.

I am one of those members and my fighters and trainers are known by MMA Greats such asd Tim Kennedy, Chris Lytle, "Little Evil" just to name a few... since my Gym was recognized by WMAC in 2006 the performances and training regimens constructed there gained recognition by the USAABA, IKF, NAGA, CPF, Gameness Promotions just to name a few.... but without that recognition my gym and its fighters and trainers would not have gotten into the door... Again this is Bullshido.com... we should not poretend that e are skilled when e are not and we should not pretend to know what we are talking about when we do not.... Peace

I know exactly what I am talking about, it is rather apparent you do not.

Ok ... I will get into the spirit of the forum... What are your accreditied amd experiencial combat athlete and combat arms.. moreover academic credentials ,,, besides being the mediator and staff member of the forum... that gives any weight to your arguement beyond just slanderring this organization... I saw nothing in you profile to indicate that I may be talking to an expert martial artist or expert in anything besides negative opinion.... so please let us know why my expertise and explanations are invalid.. other than just because you know alittle bit about lexicon of debating...

Ok ... I will get into the spirit of the forum... What are your accreditied amd experiencial combat athlete and combat arms.. moreover academic credentials ,,, besides being the mediator and staff member of the forum... that gives any weight to your arguement beyond just slanderring this organization... I saw nothing in you profile to indicate that I may be talking to an expert martial artist or expert in anything besides negative opinion.... so please let us know why my expertise and explanations are invalid.. other than just because you know alittle bit about lexicon of debating...

Click on my profile and read my Martial Arts background. This thread is about WMAC not your bio being used to validate their pay for play organization. Oh and do yourself a favor and prove the slander.

Their website, four years later, still states 1000 words and payment will help get you certification. Everything else is debating your opinion.

I understand where you are coming from.... if indeed those things happened... my point is that they did not happen to me or those that i know ... again I am very interested in your backround and expertise....

Although I am not a famous martial arts training and instructor I am highly respected by an elite segment of our community for introducing and producing combat athletes of significant skill.

Citation needed.

Originally Posted by ANGELSGYMSINGH

I know these professionals could not be associated with illegitimate martial arts organizations; moreover, my reputation could not either as my work is being published in a European based Kung Fu Magazine.

Most important logical error: if your very thesis is based upon a logical fallacy then your argument has a big problem. Here, it is a repetition of the fallacy of composition.

Note: their website states that the wmac requires no more than a 1,000 word typed record of activities an applicant feels entitles them to the requested rank along with payment. If these ocularly challenging walls of text you've presented are indicative of the quality of documentation that the wmac accepts as valid, then in my mind, further doubts as to this organization's credibility have been raised. << I recognise the use of the ad hominem fallacy, but this much is an opinion, not an argument.

lol.... ok... you win... all the members of WMAC hold illegitimate rankings because the institution is illegitimate.... I concede to the awesome skill in debating verbage and the awesome martial art credentials posted in your profile?