The work originaly published in Arabic it was translated and
indexed by my friend in english on my request, refrences are already
within the posts.

What is the name of the work it self that your friend authored and the author himself not whohe is quoting.

When
you refrence a work you give the title of the work you your self are
copying from not where Author of the book you are quoting is getting
his information from. after that is done then you say the source for
his views are tabari, ibn hajar etc. You dont say this is from ibn
hajar directly which is what you are doing by not clearly saying the
title of the work and the name of its author.

i
have no problem with the sources i know who they are but i would like
to know the name of the work you are getting the information from
directly.

Are you saying your friend is of the same status as tabari?

^ where did this come from?

it came from here,

Yes this is translation from Arabic to english directly from the work
of scholar like At-Tabari and other.

Edited by rami

Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.

You say "proceed with caution" and when I do you say "conclusion that fears me alot from too precautionary a note" Make up your mind, which route you want to take.

Oh, what a correlation of my two posts in two different contexts at two different threads? Is this logical? Though, in both of my quotes, it is "cuation" that I preferred and not "too precautionary", only if anyone has sane understanding of the two opposites. Nevertheless, I do see you avoiding my questions on this thread, in totality, without giving any reasonable reply. Should I conclude that either you don't know the answer or are hiding facts with some "hidden agenda"? I leave the matter to Allah to decide. Indeed only Allah knows the best.

You asked me to provied refrences, there are refrences in every post now, if you doubt any please look it up and post it here. That is all I can suggest. As I have not been able to understand the motive for your line of objection. I have not claimed I or my friend to be a scholar of any degree. We do read books written by scholars.

You do have the right to post your version of the history, if you want to use this thread please go head, or you can initiate your own thread.

rami:When you refrence a work you give the title of the work you your self are copying from not where Author of the book you are quoting is getting his information from. after that is done then you say the source for his views are tabari, ibn hajar etc. You dont say this is from ibn hajar directly which is what you are doing by not clearly saying the title of the work and the name of its author.

Find below the work of one of the most respected shia scholar Mullah Baqir Majlisi:

Hazrat Ameer Maveeyah(ra) advice his son Yazeed

However, none of the books relating the tragic event contains a single expression clearly stating that those two Khalîfas were smeared with the blessed blood of Hadrat Husayn. Not even the vaguest implication that Hadrat Mu’âwiya might have had to do with the martyrdom of Hadrat Husayn has been witnessed throughout the literature assigned to the event, let alone a clear statement that it was done by his order. What is unanimously stated (by all books and scholars) is that the martyrdom of Hadrat Husayn did not take place during the caliphate of Hadrat Mu’âwiya. Molla Bâqir Mejlîsî, relates Hadrat Mu’âwiya’s last advice to his son Yazîd as he was dying, as follows:

“You know what relation Imâm Husayn ‘radiy-Allâhu ’anh’ is to the Messenger of Allah. He is a part from the beloved Prophet’s blessed body. He is an offspring from the flesh and blood of that most honourable person. I understand that the inhabitants of Iraq invite him to go there and be with them. But they will not help him; they will leave him alone. If he should fall into your hands, behave in appreciation of his value! Remember the closeness and affection of the Messenger of Allah ‘sall-Allâhu ’alaihi wa sallam’ to him! Do not get back at him for his behaviour! Mind you don’t break the substantial ties I have established between him and us! Be extra careful lest you should hurt or offend him!” This advice of Hadrat Mu’âwiya’s to (his son) Yazîd is written in the three hundred and twenty-first (321) page of the book Jilâ-ul’uyûn, which was written by Muhammad Bâqir bin Murtadâ Fayzî Khorasânî, a Shiite leader, who is better known with his nickname Molla Muhsin. He died in 1091 [1679 A.D.].

http://www.shiabooks.info/books/htm1/m013/13/no1304.html`Allamah Majlisi said: "Some scholars have asserted that ibn Saba was a Jew who accepted Islam and started voicing his opinion of the `wilayat' (divine appointment) of `Ali. While a Jew, he propounded the exaggerative notion that Yusha ibn Nun was divinely appointed to succeed Prophet Musa, he thus adopted a similar stance with regard to `Ali in relation to the Holy Prophet. He was the first to subscribe to the belief of Imamate, and he openly vitriolated his enemies (i.e. the first three Caliphs) and branded them as infidels. The origin of Shi'ism and rafidizm is thus based on Judaism." (Bihar al-Anwar, vol. 25, p. 287).

Otherwise you personaly are reading tabari and ibn hajar etc, meaning
there original works are in front of you and you personaly are quoting
from there works directly which you get your friend to translate into english for you.

So you are the one compiling the information from the works of these
scholars but using your friend to translate arabic to english.

are these works of tabari and ibn hajar ie the clasical scholars online
or do you have copies your self, if online im interested in getting
access to them.

Rasul Allah (sallah llahu alaihi wa sallam) said: "Whoever knows himself, knows his Lord" and whoever knows his Lord has been given His gnosis and nearness.

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