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There's a new top dog in town.

Conceptualizing the 8th edition of Pinarello's revered Dogma platform originated last summer, at that time when the Italian brand's proven Dogma 65.1 was in the process of claiming yet another victory at le Tour under Team Sky's command. It was there that two of the UK squad's top sponsors agreed to partner on the bold endeavor, a project set to shatter the standards previously set by the multiple tour-winning 65.1.

Yes, we're talking about the supercar engineering team at Jaguar joining forces with Pinarello for the development of the all-new Dogma F8 — a complete ground-up redesign of what many called perfect. And in true Pinarello fashion, testing results of the recently released frame speak for themselves. Sharing the 65.1's finely tuned geometry, the machine's refined design, courtesy of material upgrades and fresh tube shapes, yields a race bike that lays claim to a 47% improvement in aerodynamics, a 16% more balanced feel, a 12% increase in rigidity, all while shaving 120 grams over the previous version in the process. Welcome to the future of asymmetric engineering.

Sticking with its proven ally in composite development, Pinarello again relied on Japanese carbon fiber supplier Toray for the F8's build. While the 65.1's 65-ton 65HM1K Nano-alloy Carbon Fiber was a carbon more rigid and reactive than anything Pinarello had previously used, Toray had an exclusive new material for the F8: Torayca T1100 1K Dream Carbon with Nano-alloy technology. While the name is certainly impressive, its application is even more so. T1100 is the current go-to outer skin for many modern aircrafts, and its stiffness-to-weight ratio is nothing short of stunning. Compared to a 940-gram, size 54cm Dogma 65.1 built with Toray's 65HM1K, the same frame built with T1100K weighs nearly 80 grams less, while retaining the same structural characteristics. But weight, of course, is only a slice of the Dogma F8 equation, as we all know tube shape application also plays a vital role in the bike's handling and overall efficiency.

Starting at the front of the frame, Pinarello applied its new Onda F8 fork, which, at 360 grams is 10% (40g) lighter and reduces fork drag by roughly 40% compared to the previous Onda 2. The new fork has been derived from that of Pinarello's TT-specific Bolide, wearing an optimized surface profile that works with airflow from the front wheel. The blades wear a somewhat "bowed" or convex stance, which Jaguar's engineers say is the sweet spot where air stays attached — reducing the size of the wake — without creating too large a frontal zone.

Moving to the frame, Jaguar's engineering expertise came into play through the use of CFD (Computational Fluid Dynamics), as well as using Pinarello's existing 65.1 Dogma as a baseline, in which more than 70 frame configurations and 300 CFD analysis cycles yielded the most aerodynamically efficient frame possible. Integral to these analyses was the implementation of Pinarello's new tube shaping, dubbed FlatBack. A cross-section view of this shape reveals an ovalized frontal section paired with a rather truncated back half, which was done to create a vacuum that eliminates turbulence. So while a true aerodynamic tube profile wears a non-UCI-legal 8:1 ratio, Pinarello applied the maximum 3:1 allowable ratio to the front half, without the drag-inducing ovalized rear half. The result is a tube profile that contributes to the frame's overall increase in aerodynamic efficiency, while maintaining the rigidity and ride quality of its predecessor.

You'll undoubtedly notice the seamless integration of the fork with the tapered 1 1/8 to 1 1/2in streamlined head tube and oversized FlatBack down tube. At the bottom bracket junction, Pinarello stuck with its proven Italian-threaded BB, a design choice it stands by for both reliability and overall rigidity. The F8's asymmetric chainstays are paired with the new Onda RS F8 seatstays, which are positioned low — meeting the seat tube farther down — and wear a more concave shape in comparison to the previous 65.1's stays. This lower design hides the rear brake cluster, along with the new TwinForce integrated seatpost clamp, thus improving the airflow past this rear section of the bike. Additionally, the extensive CFD testing revealed that by lowering the seat tube water bottle mounts, less drag resulted. Because of this, Pinarello incorporated three holes on the seat tube for two bottle mounting positions.

Pinarello's asymmetric design philosophy is ever-present in the Dogma F8, as its engineers again restudied the forces in action as a rider sprints on the pedals, pulls on the handlebars, and muscles the bike through corners. FEA (Finite Element Analysis) confirmed that the 65.1 Dogma's asymmetrical design was beneficial in leveling the variances in frame deflection from one side to the other, which is why the F8's tubes have been arranged in a similar, albeit more asymmetric (16% more), layup to better balance drive-side forces.

As with the 65.1, carefully engineered internal cable routing on the new F8 allows for you to easily choose between either mechanical or electronic shifting systems, without any penalty to the bike's aesthetic or its aerodynamic profile. The F8 features interchangeable cable stops at the frame openings that are capable of being intuitively swapped out should you select different drivetrains throughout the life of the frame. Along these lines, the carbon Air8 seatpost accepts both Shimano Di2 and Campagnolo EPS battery packs, but you'll need the mounting hardware, sold separately.

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Second Review - F8

Familiarity: I've used it several times

I wrote of my initial impressions when received the F8 from CC and now I can write on how it rides. Rode 75 miles (in 95 degree heat) in So Wisconsin last Saturday. First time out......first thing, the SRAM BB with ceramic bearings was unbelievable smooth and the stiffness of the BB was amazing....... kept looking at the crank!? I started to get real comfortable after about 25 miles and the F8 really handles! I feel very confident in riding this machine. And while stiff on the BB side, a very compliant ride. Its not any lighter than my EVO Black and the EVO climbs very well but the F8 climbs every bit as good as the EVO and feels smoother doing it (we climbed 4600' on Sat). This bike is definitely worth the money......you won't be disappointed in the comfort, the speed, it's handling or it's climbing ability.

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First Cut Review

I ordered my F8 on Friday to include a SRAM BB and a SRAM crank set. They were able to get it installed and get it to me by Tuesday! that includes me screwing up on the color order. I found out 4 hours after I submitted my order and got an immediate response from Wes Branham, the customer account manager. He had the real color I wanted and switched it out! The bike came, with the items mentioned installed and packaged beautifully. The bike is absolutely gorgeous! It is down at my LBS finishing the build out and hope to ride it this weekend. I will write another review after I get some miles on the bike but wanted to share the initial feelings of the look and, more importantly, share the excellent job the Wes and his team do at Competitive Cyclist.

Have an answer for Fabian?

hey Fabian I would likely go with a 51.5 dependent on a couple other things, contact me here and I can go over a couple questions to make sure that is correct for your size. kylebrown@backcountry.com 801-736-6396 ext. 4417

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BEST BIKE I've had BUT...

As my first road bike, I had a 1,500 USD aluminum Cube Peloton and I loved the sport. Then I upgraded to a 4,000 USD Focus Izalco Pro AG2R Replica (which I still have) and that was a huge level up, it just felt that me and the bike we were one matching puzzle. Finally I went for a F8 2015 edition glossy black red and again it is the best bike I have ever ridden. The advantages over the Focus Izalco pro are a few and I will explain them below but do not fool yourself, it is not worth the extra 6,000 or so USD for a complete bike. There are lots of bikes out there at the 2-3k USD mark and they are brilliant, you just need to test them and "marry" the right one.

Back to the Dogma, the first thing that stroke me was how precise it rides: the handling is so good that you can be accurate to the milimeter, if you just think you want to go 10 cm left you go exactly 10 cm left, and then suddenly you want to turn 20cm right and it will do that, so you can almost be a painter on the road (if you wheels are painting that is); I think they got the angles very right same as Rolo Bikes claim to do, just google it, this is much more expensive than the Dogma and it is Pure Science...The second thing is, and this might be like a placebo effect, the Dogma just makes you want to go faster and stronger...Third thing is it just looks amazingly beautiful and I particularly like it in the 2015 paint like in the image. Oh, and also, I held the frameset on its own, it is so light and feels plasticky so that when you squeze the frame at its thickest point it is so flexible that one can imagine how thin that Private Jet Japanese Carbon is.

HOWEVER and this is the big thing...I am an expat in Moscow and can only ride the bike May to October, otherwise it's too cold in the winter. So those who cannot afford the bike but have amazing weather must be happier than me :) I recently got a huge knee injury whilst skiing and recovery is one year during which I will only be able to ride on a stationary bike with low resistence. Those of you with two healthy legs, should be very happy and forget what bike you ride! A healthy body is the most important thing here. I got overtaken by a ex military guy on an aluminum 12 kg bikes uphill whilst riding the Dogma F8 once, and let me tell you it felt very bad. So again two strong legs beat a not so strong rider on the Dogma :) And ultimately, whatever you do, don't spend too much reading about bikes and riding (as I do now) but just go out every day even for at least 15 mins, and then you will be happier than me looking at my Dogma but not being able to ride it at all ... Hope I inspired you.

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top of the heap

Familiarity: I've used it several times

It kind of gives you the best of all aspect of what you want in a road frame. First off it's fast, maybe most importantly it is very fast. Next it feels good to ride, it's not harsh, it just feel good on the road. if you have owned or ridden the dogma 2 or 65.1 think this will blow them out of the water, it's improved in every way. If you have questions on sizing, builds, compatibility etc. contact me kylebrown@backcountry.com

Have an answer for Scott L.?

Hi Scott! yes, the F8 disc version is available now we just don't have them on the site yet. I do have several sizes being shipped to us this month. Feel free to reach out to me direct if you want more info on whats coming in. I'd be happy to quote you a price as well if you are looking to do a complete build.

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Exceeds expectations!!

Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer

Thanks Competitive Cyclist and Rob! This frame is amazing! The finish and paint quality is beautiful (57.5 cm, model 673- red, white, and black). I have ridden this frame for three months and love every second of the ride. On long and short steep hill climbs, this frame is stiff and responsive. Descending is like riding on rails.... (stable and comfortable) maybe it's the Enve 3.4 wheels (BTW- excellent wheel set!!). Overall, I'm very pleased and impressed with this frame and highly recommend it... Regrets? None... :-)

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Hi Pablo, I would highly recommend getting fitted before you select a frame size. Height alone does not determine frame size (gets you within the ballpark....). Leg length, flexibility, core strength, and positioning (aggressive or relaxed) are critical elements for selecting the correct frame size. Getting fitted is worth every penny especially if you are going to purchase this frame. Good Luck!

Gary

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Responsive and Lethal!

Tried and true- one of the road bike classics and a legend amongst the most seasoned roadies.The kit calculator may not show all available options for a custom build and can be a bit tricky in configuring but if we have it on the site we can build it. Often times we have items not listed on the site as well. If you need help in configuring this bike feel free to contact me direct. Im always happy to oblige!

** 2016 Disc versions should be arriving in January but we can back order now.

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Amazing!

Familiarity: I've used it several times

I upgraded from a 65.1 Think 2 to this, and all I can say is that this is another level of great! Snappy, comfortable, and confidence inspiring. I've put it on a few long rides and 3 crits, and I have nothing but smile!

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Pinarello Wins Again!

According to the TDF live stream:

Italian brand Pinarello becomes the most successful in the history of the Tour de France with 11 overall victories, clinched by Pedro Delgado in 1988, Miguel Indurain in 1992, 1993, 1994 and 1995, Bjarne Riis in 1996, Jan Ullrich in 1997, Oscar Pereiro in 2005, Bradley Wiggins in 2012, Chris Froome in 2013 and 2015. Second on the list is Peugeot with 10 wins from 1905 with Louis Trousselier to 1977 with Bernard Thaovenet

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F8, an Italian Steed

Familiarity: I've used it several times

Wes, Wanted to thank you for setting me up with a pro level machine although I consider myself a slightly above average 50 y. o. rider. This is important because when I bought my first road bike nearly 30 years ago; I've always felt like I was worker harder than my equipment. I've met my match! I've been on active duty in the Army for nearly 28 years and one thing I've learned when communicating is to provide the bottomline upfront! With that in mind, I simply say my F8 (55cm) with Dura Ace Di2, ENVE 3.4 DT Swiss 180 hubs, ENVE arrow bars, ENVE 110 stem, Arundel carbon bottle cages, Romin Evo saddle is a BAD ASS platform weighing in at 15. 4 LBS. Hear are my observations after a metric century event in Tampa this past weekend....yes, my first ride on the F8 right out the gate. The F8 tracks like a Stinger Missile even in the strongest crosswinds. I found myself leaning into the crosswind to maintain balance like I do on my Trex Domane 6 series, Cannondale Super six Evo, and even my Pinarello Paris. When I did this on the F8, I nearly tumbled due to the aero frame and ENVE wheel design...it's simply not required. I felt like the F8 and ENVE wheels together were self-correcting and stayed true while slicing through the wind. The only movement that occurred was due to my unnecessary steering input. My next observation is the overall balance of the F8. It's not as stiff as my EVO and almost as compliant as my Domane. I was overwhelming surprised by how finely tuned Pinarello and Jaguar with significant input from Team Sky have made the F8. When you twist the cranks, you are propelled forward! There’s no power transfer lag or frame flex; when I stood and twisted the cranks, the ponies were released and I immediately accelerated from 19 to 28 mph into a slight head wind and began to pull the lead group. As I stated, the F8 is extremely compliant; during this past weekend's event, the lead group and I stopped once at the first support area 15 miles into the ride for a comfort break. From there, we rode the next 45+ miles without stopping. Nothing spectacular about that except, it was my first ride on the F8. I was so comfortable, I felt like I could have gone another 60. The cockpit is tight and clean with great lines, I truly felt in command of this machine during all phases of the ride. Inside the pace line, the F8 is well behaved. Dirty air did not disrupt my line; the F8 continued to track straight and did not become twitchy or unstable. The F8 does everything my other three bikes are specifically designed to do, but better. The F8 allows you to press the limits while entering a corner due to its fabulous balance, maintains its speed throughout, and is quick on exit. The fore and aft of the F8 stay well connected which allowed me to choose lines others could not hold. The numbers don't lie! Last weekend in Phoenix I completed a full century on my Evo; I avg 18.8 mph at 155 avg watts, heart rate avg 163, and climbed about 1200 feet, temp 85. This weekend on the Italian Steed, I avg 20.0 flat at 177 avg watts, heart rate avg 153, climbed approx 1200 feet, temp 85. For anyone interested in investing in a fine Italian machine, I would encourage you to talk with Wes. He's extremely knowledgeable, easy to work with, and realizes that in the crazy world of carbon, not all carbon is created equally. Lastly, if you decide to purchase a Pinarello F8, it's an investment, not because of the price, but because you will own a professional level Italian platform that will elevate your riding to the next level. The best thing about my F8 Italian Steed this past weekend was, of 580+ cyclist this weekend, I didn’t see another F8 on the road☺ If you have any questions, please feel free to email at glennsrichie@sbcglobal.net

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Best Pinarello I've ever ridden

Familiarity: I've put it through the wringer

In the realm of the super bike you have a plethora of options. They are almost all light, stiff, and ride terrifically. The thing that set this bike apart was the stiffness and also how easy it was to work on. I LOVE that pinarello has stuck with the threaded BB (and i love that it's italian thread). The ease of use is beyond awesome for me, it's easy to route the cables and the bike rides GREAT. It's incredibly reactive as a racebike should be, and it snaps through corners like a Formula 1 car. It's as light and stiff as i could ever want, but I REALLY REALLY like the threaded bottom bracket. Most aero bikes are rather...ugly...this one looks sleek and sexy. Thanks in no small part to a collaboration with Jaguar. I felt so good about the weight of the bike i decided to eat a burrito after climbing up to Park City from Salt Lake. What a great bike. If you have any questions feel free to email me at robsmallman@backcountry.com.

Have an answer for kam105484438-0?

Thanks for the question. The headtube angle on an 46.5 is 70.5 degrees so you would need a 19.5 degree stem to make that 90 degrees or perfectly parallel to the ground. It’s a small piece so its not really noticeable (and fit is more important) so most people run a 7-8 degree stem inverted and it looks parallel to most eyes.

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I have the frame in size 54 and run a 6 degree ENVE stem (-6). Mine is not parallel nor does it look parallel but it looks real good slammed.( I changed out to a 4mm under the stem) I think a -8 or -10 stem would be where I would go.