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Sad day for the club after 6 great years. 6 league titles in a row and 3 champions league, what a smooth ride. Great to see Johnny Evan's lift the title as captain again and RVP sign off in style with his 45th goal of the season.

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When comparing to fellow dinosaurs, Tony Pulis and Martin O'Neill were unable to make much of an impact in the Championship. I think it's fair to say Moyes would severely struggle in the Championship if he was lucky enough to land a job there again.

Even at Championship level, this type of manager barely attracts interest anymore.

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Although I like the sport, I'm not a baseball guy (live in the wrong continent). But I happened to see a documentary on The New York Mets and it made for very compelling viewing. It makes me feel like we have the best run organisation in sports

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Although I like the sport, I'm not a baseball guy (live in the wrong continent). But I happened to see a documentary on The New York Mets and it made for very compelling viewing. It makes me feel like we have the best run organisation in sports

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When comparing to fellow dinosaurs, Tony Pulis and Martin O'Neill were unable to make much of an impact in the Championship. I think it's fair to say Moyes would severely struggle in the Championship if he was lucky enough to land a job there again.

Even at Championship level, this type of manager barely attracts interest anymore.

While i don't know the exact circumstances in United's case i have to firmly disagree with the analogy players don't decline overnight. 95% of our double winning squad under Ancelotti did exactly that the following season.

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The most frustrating game I saw at Old Trafford. When we finally went 2-1 up I was absolutely ecstatic, hugging the stranger next to me. Only to then realise it was bottom of the table Fulham that we should have been hammering anyway. Then Bent scored. Feck me.

Lovely hearing how Fulham defenders felt like they were in the Championship with our incessant and easy to defend crossing.

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While i don't know the exact circumstances in United's case i have to firmly disagree with the analogy players don't decline overnight. 95% of our double winning squad under Ancelotti did exactly that the following season.

No doubt players can decline fairly quickly. But i think theres a difference between going from winning the league by 1 point and then only coming 2nd the following season. As opposed to running away with the league but coming 7th the next year and not even qualifying for Europe. That wasn't solely down to players declining.

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The most frustrating game I saw at Old Trafford. When we finally went 2-1 up I was absolutely ecstatic, hugging the stranger next to me. Only to then realise it was bottom of the table Fulham that we should have been hammering anyway. Then Bent scored. Feck me.

Lovely hearing how Fulham defenders felt like they were in the Championship with our incessant and easy to defend crossing.

Yeah, that was peak Moyes I think. Always felt that was players proving a point too. They were good enough to know what they were doing wasn't working but just kept on trying same thing over and over to highlight what we were being coached.

It wasn't all his fault sure, but i think at least 70-80% of that clusterfeck of a window can be attributed to Moyes arriving late with an unprepared transfer list short on realistic targets, stupidly wanting to sign players in a certain order and just general indecision and dithering.

This article gives a good insight into Moyes process or lack thereof. Basically it shows he had no 2nd-3rd choice targets and dithered way too much and the club got pissed off and had to step in and decide who we were going to try to sign. The club then went on a scatter gun approach trying to sign 7-8 players on deadline day like DeRossi, Khedira, Coentrao, Herrera etc but only managed to sign one that we could have signed for a lot less weeks earlier.

It was clear that Moyes liked Herrera but very specifically said that to make such a huge financial outlay -- his first stellar signing as United manager -- he'd wanted to have much more personal time invested in assessing the player.

He liked him and a year and a half earlier wouldn't have hesitated to sign him, because his scouting of the young Basque midfielder was extremely detailed, but his "eyes-on" work on Herrera had diminished since.

Thus, his ideal position was to scout him for six to 12 months, get to Athletic games personally as well as listen to the United player assessors ... and then act or reject.

A couple of days later I got a text from Moyes to the effect that "the club," i.e. executive vice-chairman Ed Woodward, had decided to go "all in" on the last day of the transfer window and to try to pull the deal off.

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No doubt players can decline fairly quickly. But i think theres a difference between going from winning the league by 1 point and then only coming 2nd the following season. As opposed to running away with the league but coming 7th the next year and not even qualifying for Europe. That wasn't solely down to players declining.

Despite the 2nd place finish i think we only had a few more points (71) than you did in the Moyes season, iirc you had around 67.

While I'm not clued up a enough on the Moyes era to make a clear judgement it was definitely a sudden decline with our boys, they went from breaking the league's scoring record to barely creating any chances in a match.

Tell me this. Was the vidic and fergie who won the league the same that new season? I'm not going to make excuses. Truth is Moyes failed but personally I think he had too difficult of a task. Fergie knew that squad inside out. Only he could make those players win the league.

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Despite the 2nd place finish i think we only had a few more points (71) than you did in the Moyes season, iirc you had around 67.

While I'm not clued up a enough on the Moyes era to make a clear judgement it was definitely a sudden decline with our boys, they went from breaking the league's scoring record to barely creating any chances in a match.

Its hard to compare points totals across seasons in my opinion. United won the league with 80 points in 2011 but lost it with 89 points the next year.

Some of the players definitely declined under Moyes but there were many other factors in the teams abysmal performances over that season. The squad wasn't reinforced for a start, tactics were off, some players were being misused others over used. Ferdinand, Evra and Vidic were being played 5-10 games in a row when anyone with some sense would realize they should have been rotated given their respective ages and injury problems.