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Originally Posted by Marvels

Actually, there are some artists who have clear change in their works. Salvador Larroca who did Ghost Rider in the 90's, and Joe Mad before his Marvel gig come to mind - - of course their changes were for the better since the former's previous work looked like a nine year old's, while the latter's looked like a bad Manga impersonation.

It's just my personal opinion that a person can get tired of seeing the same art style for over a decade.

Larroca and Madureira were both new to the scene in the early 90's and as I mentioned earlier, had room to develop their style. And now that both are firmly established, you will not see too much deviation in what the produce. In fact, with both Larroca and Madureira their work has become more focused, but you can still see the commonality between their work then and now.

Obviously we are all entitled to our personal opinions and if you're not wild about Jim Lee's work that's fine. But to attempt to quantify your opinion by claiming he does not innovate is just off. Once these artists have established their professional credentials and begin to see their work out there, innovation in the form of development, ceases.

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i have been catching up on hawkman recently cause i got the full 80's run and most of the new books run on ebay for super cheap. they sure made hawkman hot! they even gave him hairy shoulders! would a straight artist give a character that much body hair? anyway, i really like the new twist on hawkgirl. the golden eagle story was really good that ran recently. the new book with just hawkgirl is really drawn badly. the rann-thanagar war was not so good either. i also bought a huge lot of old teen titans from the 80's and those aren't to bad. wondergirl is one confusing character! but beastboy was pretty hot with all that green chest hair.
i really like books that have a heart to them. i loved the old x-men books for that reason. they use to chat while shopping or playing sports. not all the books were action. the avengers had that also. the story between wanda/vision/wonderman was a nice change. firestar's powers were killing her and ms.marvel was hittin the booze. i wish more books had those personal stuff in them. the new justice league was so galactic that it was all fighting and no personal time with each other. anyone reading anything now that has that kinda feel?the ultimate books have it a little but the new avengers is missing it completely.

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Go back and find the recent mini Green Lantern: Recharge. The story is full of this sort of interaction. Not the domestic kind mind you, but you've got a whole bunch of new GL recruits and they're all learning how to work together. Good stuff IMHO.

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Gl: Hmm, good point. My bad, man. (Doesn't larroca still change his style? From what I hear, his work on Adjectiveless X-Men keeps on shifting) Which begs the question - - exactly when did Jim Lee start drawing?

Luminum: Actually, the first time I've bribed somebody was in the sixth grade, so no, I'm not straight-laced.

Effortless: I see. Well, maybe if she didn't have such fucked up taste in clothing, I'd be more sympathetic to her.

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I'm interested with the Kate/Tommy/Patriot love triangle. Actually, I think that Young Avengers is one of the best books in Marvel's current line-up. I just wish Heinberg didn't have to do WW so he could go back to his work on YA.

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in comics in the last year what does everyone think was the most shocking moment? even with crisis or civil war i still don't see the writers taking any really big chances. so what superboy died or fucked wondergirl,big deal spider-man told the world he is peter parker,who cares emma is still mind fucking people,etc. everything seems done before or just plain blah. i do think art work is better than ever.

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New Avengers: Probably the biggest WTF from my pull list - - but not in a good way. Seriously, it wasn't bad, but it wasn't good. It was inexplicable.

All-Star Superman: Morrison is high again. Good read through and through.

Eternals: Cool start, maybe Gaiman can redeem himself from that 1602 debacle.

The Ultimates: Fucking ace. Nothing happened much, but great art and some cool action totally compensated.

Astonishing: Double fucking ace. The Hellfire club is awesome. Negasonic is beyond powerful, Emma is more mysterious than ever, Cassandra Nova is now my favorite villain of all time, and what happened to Logan will go down in comic book history. Damn fine.

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Astonishing X-Men was great. Logan scampering about was worth the price of admission. Civil War #2 was good, if not more of a "filler" piece. But the big reveal at the end of the book was interesting. Green Lantern Corps #1 was great. I like that the same characters introduced in Recharge are going forward.

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And is Nova there? or was she just projecting?

BTW, we are to assume that Ernst and Nova were the same character, right? So when did she shift from being strange Ernst to the devious Nova?

I wonder what they'll do with Hisako. Unlike the other New X-Men, Hisako seems the most likely to succeed in being writeable enough for readers to like her and become one of the known X-Men characters like the original New X-Men did.

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For all we know, Nova could have just downright cloaked herself to Henry's animal senses. Nonetheless, she got to both of their minds without a problem, and that's hot. And since Morisson pretty much admitted that Nova was Ernst, there really wasn't any need for Joss to devote some panels to re-revealing that fact.

And truth be told, of the new generation of X-Men, I find Dust, Hellion, and of course, the Stepfords, to be the most intruiging.

EDIT: And for fuck's sake, I am so tired of the writers constantly portraying Iron Man (and the registration) as the second coming of Nazism. How the fuck are people going to decide when every writer out there makes Cap the obvious hero and Tony the obvious bad guy?

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That's because Tony's a tool in every sense of the word. His powers are tool-based and he's a tool in general. And he's one of those disenting pansies who ends up messing shit up because of it (i.e. Young Avengers, in which his stern disagreement bends both jessica and Cap and then shit happens and Kate calls them all out on it...okay, that was unfair, but still)

...Captain America stands for freedom.

For new gens, I find Dust, the Cuckoos (but something is going to happen with them that won't make them actual X-Men ever), Hisako, David, Anole, and Pixie to be top contenders for more fleshing out and possible X-attention.

The others are kind of just there because they need people who have powers like that. They're not fleshing them out well at all. They're just sort of dropping it. Mercury's parent situation can be so much more, but her only Kevin can touch me quality has been done. Rockslide is 2-dimensional at best, Hellion's a standard hot shot and his powers are pretty common, Josh is pretty vacuous even with his insanity, Kevin is never going to be able to control his powers, Surge has something but it doesn't look like they'll ever get around to it and her powers are standard energy emitting, Laura's alright but I think they're just going to make her another Wolverine (as if she isn't already), I think they realized how too-powerful laurie was so they killed her, Sofia's powers were too generic which is why she's been completely blipped out (in contrast to David), and jay's just a whiny emo bitch.

I say that Anole and Pixie are goign to get something because they've been shown far too frequently not to. ixie's attitude seems like a bubbly one they haven't had in a while since both Kitty and Jubes are either grown up or miserable. Plus, Anole's been given screen time because of Northstar and the fact that he's gay. New X-Men's going to milk him for that, since they need a gay character to throw in there.

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Sellout, tool, whatever. The man is doing what he thinks is right. I'm behind him 100%. And don't forget, he never even wanted the bill to get pushed through in the first place - - it was only when it did that he realized the best option on how to deal with it was to actually work on it from the inside, to allow for the smoothest transition possible.

Superheroes ARE vigilantes. And vigilantes ARE illegal. The only reason everyone turned a blind eye to that was because up til now, the heroes were careful enough to keep collateral damage to a minimum.

(P.S. I don't recall what happened in YA though, could you refresh my memory?)

Anyway, Joss seems to like the idea that it's Blindfold who's going to predict when somebody dies (Wing primarily). I like her. As for the New X-Men themselves, yeah they're stereotypes, but they are well-written stereotypes who's own title is leagues above the bullshit that are Adjectiveless and Uncanny. I think Pixie and ANole are there just to remind us that there are actually some students other than the New X-Men left in the campus.

Dust is killer. And I think they ended up writing Kevin off because of Elixir's newly acquired power (give the kid some justification as to be called Omega).

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...actually, i never really liked that intro. It seemed really lame to me and the CG sucked :P But the Justice League Unlimited opening was cool

In YA, after everythign with kree/Skrull is settled and Patriot is stabilized, Cap suggest again that the kids go back to normal lives.

Kate tells him that the moment he can walk again, Patriot will keep fighting crime, just liek they all will and that she can't help but feel that if Cap and iron Man had trained them, then all of this wouldn't have happened. Billy's parents' home wouldn't have been destroyed, Teddy's mom wouldn't have been killed, and Patriot wouldn't have gotten himself nearly killed. If Cap and Iron Man had taken them seriously and trained them in protecting themselves and using their powers, they could have avoided a lot of the mishaps that happened.

So afterwards, Jessica Jones visits them and gives Kate Hawkeye's quill from Cap with a card that says 'for Hawkeye'. They don't know fi that means that they get to use the facilities, so we'll probably figure it out in the next arc.

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...actually, i never really liked that intro. It seemed really lame to me and the CG sucked :P But the Justice League Unlimited opening was cool

In YA, after everythign with kree/Skrull is settled and Patriot is stabilized, Cap suggest again that the kids go back to normal lives.

Kate tells him that the moment he can walk again, Patriot will keep fighting crime, just liek they all will and that she can't help but feel that if Cap and iron Man had trained them, then all of this wouldn't have happened. Billy's parents' home wouldn't have been destroyed, Teddy's mom wouldn't have been killed, and Patriot wouldn't have gotten himself nearly killed. If Cap and Iron Man had taken them seriously and trained them in protecting themselves and using their powers, they could have avoided a lot of the mishaps that happened.

So afterwards, Jessica Jones visits them and gives Kate Hawkeye's quill from Cap with a card that says 'for Hawkeye'. They don't know fi that means that they get to use the facilities, so we'll probably figure it out in the next arc.

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Wolverine was revealed to be a sleeper cell and he was triggered and ended up killing Northstar 9even though Elixer managed to heal him). Then as the team was deciding what to do (cut off his head so that the hand couldn't revive him) the hand managed to teloport in, efeated the X-Men stole his body, revived him and I think Wolverine defeated him again but didn't kill him.

Nightcrawler's all upset about Colossus being gay and won't speak with him. Jean grey's fine with it and obviously all of the other team is too except for Kitty because I just don't think she knows. Even Emma's team is obviously okay with it.

Spidey and Kitty are dating and doing fabulously, though when MJ confronts him he kind of admits that he's more with Kitty because she won't be at risk if his villains go after his loved ones than he is because he loves her.

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Originally Posted by luminum

Oh, btw, does anyone read The Sandman? I read Endless Nights and I absolutely love it

I have the complete run of the original Sandman series by Neil Gaiman. Loved the series, but always hated having to wait a month to get the next chapter in the saga. I'd spend hours scrutinizing the covers, because the original cover artist always included such interesting tidbits on teh bookcases.

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the new wonder woman comic came out in june and now #2 isn't coming out till the middle of august!? what the fuck? why do dc and marvel keep hiring tv and movie writers who are to busy with those projects to get the comics out on time? wonder woman's 65th anniversary is this year and already the re launch of her book is way behind.thank god the writer is only taking on 5 issues. i expected more from a gay wonder woman writer!! look how great phil jimenez did. his run was really good. just as good as george perez's re launch in 1987. and speaking of ww if she does have a movie come out in the next year or so than do you guys think an animated series will follow? they did it for superman and batman. i would love to see her very own cartoon. her episodes on the jl and jlu were great.

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Luminum: DMZ is about what happens should the United States go to a real Civil War, where the States have it at each other. On one side, there are the Free States (New Jersey, etc.) who are probably sick of what passes for democracy, and the United States who are basically composed of territories that didn't defect. Slam bang in the middle is Manhattan island, now completely cordoned off, where the major battles are always held. DMZ follows a photo journalism intern who gets stranded there after a news special gone wrong, and gives us a cool view of what happens when the shit hits the fan.

Blue: Well, if the guy's doing an okay job, then iI suppose it's worth the wait.