Alright, I know this thread must be getting exhausting for some. And what's worse, this purchase might not happen as soon as I hope if I don't get this pay out. I think my chances are good though.

I just like to be educated on everything I can be.

A couple of final questions regarding customization of axiom products.

1. Vinyl finish decent? I'm interested in the Vermont Maple

2. Audio Jewelry(this term is new to me...i don't get it?). I've done tons of biwiring in previous setups and always thought it was an advantage. With further reading, it seems Axiom believes it makes no difference, but offer the option for customer satisfaction mainly. Should I get the option or no? Die Cast woofer baskets or standard? What's the difference if any?

Again, I just want to give a big shout out to all the people participating in my "torture myself" thread. lol And I truly am torturing myself when I can't even place an order yet. My eyes are going buggy from spending so much time on the computer reading and scouring forums and articles.

I was at the 30th anniversary and participated in the blind test. We didn't know what speakers were involved. It was a blast.

Yeah I read that entire thread, that's enough for me. I'm no audiophile, but the jist I got was the people are spending way to much time measuring things, that in my opinion, aren't things people will hear anyway.

I think like with any hobby, people get to carried away in the details.

It's like the guy who loves video games and thinks becoming a professional video game tester would be a good idea. You learn of all the most microscopic details and bugs until you forget what it was all about in the beginning...enjoying video games. Now with all this pre-conceived jargon in your head and an eye for the most microscopic defects and bugs, the fanciest tools, IMHO, you can't enjoy it in the innocent way you used to.

Glad to see the center is being considered carefully - I think I may have opened a can of worms with all the options being discussed - sorry about that!

However IMO, the vertical M80 would be the best center channel matched with M80's L&R. 3 identical speakers across the front is the ideal situation. However once you go beyond that I think it becomes shades of grey and only listening in your environment can tell you what would be best. To summarise:

M80 center - PRO - best sound option, CON - worst WAF

VP180 - PRO - simply a horizontal M80, CON - horizontal array

VP160 - PRO & CON - blurs the line a little between horizontal and vertical arrays

VP160 - PRO & CON - blurs the line a little between horizontal and vertical arrays

I don't agree and don't like the idea of having M80 as center . The goal of the VP speaker line is to have something equivalent to the floor standing line but that let you place your tv at a sane height. The M80 is 40" high, add the dimension of a large TV and that will put you with in a non ergonomic watching position. The VP180 is aiming straight at ear level when I sit down and it's perfect that way and my TV is at eye level

Luc, my comments were purely based on sound quality. Agreed about the ergonomics. I have M22 L&R and an M2 center. I would have liked an M22 center but the ergonomics did not work in my room for that, so compromised with the shorter M2.

Ken - I think that also answers your question. I have not heard the M22 as center - only the VP150 and the M2.