Health, Wellness, Sex and BodyDiscuss USDA: Meat derided as “pink slime” can now be called ground beef at the General Discussion; Originally Posted by GottaGo
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I 'thanked' your post, because you are correct, all the way up to the last line.

While the FDA has screwed the pooch a number of times, I really don't want to consider a situation with NO oversight at all. People are greedy, they will take shortcuts if they KNOW no one is watching.

those shortcuts will ultimately result in short term success - if the free market were really free.
if we really believe in the free market then doesn’t it make sense that the best value - best product at the best price - will outlast and outperform those trying to shortcut their way to a successful business?
instead, today we have a false sense of security by believing someone else has our best interests at heart.
and “some” oversight, while could be beneficial, doesn’t need to be an entire department of bloated beureaucratic control over the population.

those shortcuts will ultimately result in short term success - if the free market were really free.
if we really believe in the free market then doesn’t it make sense that the best value - best product at the best price - will outlast and outperform those trying to shortcut their way to a successful business?
instead, today we have a false sense of security by believing someone else has our best interests at heart.
and “some” oversight, while could be beneficial, doesn’t need to be an entire department of bloated beureaucratic control over the population.

not to but in on y'all's discussion but just want to note most of these agencies have been short of manpower and clout since the 80s. so I would like to see more inspectors and give food inspectors the ability to shut a place down. not just recommend. actually I'd like to see that at industrial polluters too but we are talking food here. Like if there are contamination transgressions there would be a 3 strikes policy depending on how big the problem is.
But yes we had it your way once upon a time in the meat industry and you wouldn't want to go back to that.
But yeah a lot of folks are under the impression we have this great huge bureaucracy that controls what industrialists /manufacturers/processors do. Fact is we don't have enough.

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those shortcuts will ultimately result in short term success - if the free market were really free.
if we really believe in the free market then doesn’t it make sense that the best value - best product at the best price - will outlast and outperform those trying to shortcut their way to a successful business?
instead, today we have a false sense of security by believing someone else has our best interests at heart.
and “some” oversight, while could be beneficial, doesn’t need to be an entire department of bloated beureaucratic control over the population.

While good in theory, the period while a free market adjusts itself to best product/best price, on one side you will have those who do not have the long run in mind. Get the cheapest product out there, at the best price possible, grab it, slam it, hit and run.

Then on the consumer side, you will have someone who doesn't understand the phrase 'too good to be true', who deserves a modicum of protections, mainly so that permanent damage isn't done, like death.

It is an unfortunate fact of life that some people need to be protected from themselves, and from the totally unscrupulous. As ineffective as some governmental agencies may be, something is better than nothing.

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not to but in on y'all's discussion but just want to note most of these agencies have been short of manpower and clout since the 80s. so I would like to see more inspectors and give food inspectors the ability to shut a place down. not just recommend. actually I'd like to see that at industrial polluters too but we are talking food here. Like if there are contamination transgressions there would be a 3 strikes policy depending on how big the problem is.
But yes we had it your way once upon a time in the meat industry and you wouldn't want to go back to that.
But yeah a lot of folks are under the impression we have this great huge bureaucracy that controls what industrialists /manufacturers/processors do. Fact is we don't have enough.

Absolutely NO!!! Have you ever seen a government employee with that power in process????? I have, and it is the most disgusting thing... the overbloated self importance and condescending creature on this planet. Lets just say the our corporate attorneys do not permit either myself or my boss in the same room with certain governmental inspectors/auditors for fear of bodily harm.

I've dealt with them, I've never had to impose such self discipline in my life as not to lay out a set down of epic proportions. If such a person were to have such absolute control in other aspects over a business, it would be just as horrifying and highly dangerous. It is likely why they DON'T have that power in one set of hands.

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not to but in on y'all's discussion but just want to note most of these agencies have been short of manpower and clout since the 80s. so I would like to see more inspectors and give food inspectors the ability to shut a place down. not just recommend. actually I'd like to see that at industrial polluters too but we are talking food here. Like if there are contamination transgressions there would be a 3 strikes policy depending on how big the problem is.
But yes we had it your way once upon a time in the meat industry and you wouldn't want to go back to that.
But yeah a lot of folks are under the impression we have this great huge bureaucracy that controls what industrialists /manufacturers/processors do. Fact is we don't have enough.

One more example of someone that believes that the government can do no wrong and that everyone that works for the government, should be trusted at all costs.

News Flash: Government employees are people just like everyone else, that happened to stumble into a gov't job instead of a private sector job. They are generally no more ethical or corrupt than any other person. But just as anyone else, when given some authority, some will let it get to their heads and abuse it.

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Grass fed local beef is available from a number of sources. Prices vary, but we haven't bought any yet. Our local grocery store processes their meat in-store, so it's not that dyed stuff you get from WalMart. We pretty much don't buy any meats that are pre-packaged, other than Brats.

Don't know about the Walmart where you shop but the one nearest to me has grass fed, natural and organic beef and other meats. A much smaller selection than conventional raised but less expensive than stores with better selections. Walmart also has uncured bacon and lunch meats.

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not to but in on y'all's discussion but just want to note most of these agencies have been short of manpower and clout since the 80s. so I would like to see more inspectors and give food inspectors the ability to shut a place down. not just recommend. actually I'd like to see that at industrial polluters too but we are talking food here. Like if there are contamination transgressions there would be a 3 strikes policy depending on how big the problem is.
But yes we had it your way once upon a time in the meat industry and you wouldn't want to go back to that.
But yeah a lot of folks are under the impression we have this great huge bureaucracy that controls what industrialists /manufacturers/processors do. Fact is we don't have enough.

The Food Safety Modernization Act vastly increases government control over the food industry including enhanced risk mitigation planning, more frequent and invasive inspections, as well as imposing a fee on over 350,000 food companies.

Don't know about the Walmart where you shop but the one nearest to me has grass fed, natural and organic beef and other meats. A much smaller selection than conventional raised but less expensive than stores with better selections. Walmart also has uncured bacon and lunch meats.

I have little faith in meat products pre-packaged, pre-weighed and pre-priced. Cal it a personal thing, but my experience with it has been less that wonderful.

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not to but in on y'all's discussion but just want to note most of these agencies have been short of manpower and clout since the 80s. so I would like to see more inspectors and give food inspectors the ability to shut a place down. not just recommend. actually I'd like to see that at industrial polluters too but we are talking food here. Like if there are contamination transgressions there would be a 3 strikes policy depending on how big the problem is.
But yes we had it your way once upon a time in the meat industry and you wouldn't want to go back to that.
But yeah a lot of folks are under the impression we have this great huge bureaucracy that controls what industrialists /manufacturers/processors do. Fact is we don't have enough.

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Originally Posted by GetAClue

One more example of someone that believes that the government can do no wrong and that everyone that works for the government, should be trusted at all costs.

News Flash: Government employees are people just like everyone else, that happened to stumble into a gov't job instead of a private sector job. They are generally no more ethical or corrupt than any other person. But just as anyone else, when given some authority, some will let it get to their heads and abuse it.

I love Salty's constant attempts at making demands about that which she knows nothing.

FOOD INSPECTORS CAN AND DO SHUT THE PLACE DOWN!

I have been in the food industry for over 40 years. I have run USDA operations and FDA operations. Built machinery and production systems that process food. All had to pass strict Government guidelines. 24/7

USDA inspectors will shut you down if they find a light out in the bathroom. They can close your plant if you don't pass GMP standards for the product you produce. Not just what's in the product but how and where it is produced. That includes everything from simple operations of farming to high processing.

But as you say GaC, the inspectors are only human. Most food and drug accidents happen when somebody misses their opportunity to catch a mistake or failure to prevent corrupted material from entering public sphere. At best those "accidents" can be reduced in number but never eliminated.

Events like the J&J Baby Powder cancer are a whole nuther matter and include Corporate greed and fraud. Letting contaminants through with knowledge of their percentage their risk and their damage to the public's health as a cost/profit equation is immoral. And thankfully statutorily criminal.

Monsanto is also now finding out the weight of poor corporate decisions bias by profit.

That is where we need more aggressive government prosecutions.

Oversight is like expecting the police to prevent crimes because supposedly they enforce the law. To the contrary. They can only witness infractions of the law when present at the time.

Same is true of Food and Drug Inspectors.

As for pink Slime, if properly produced it is wholesome. Whether or not you wish to eat it is up to you. But it, or something much like it, has been in Hot Dogs and most lunch meats for decades. Remember, "Oscar Meyer has a way with B-L-O-N-G-N-A."

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scientists just revealed maggots are good for clearing garbage- dud- but let's not discuss it or slime.
not eating any more ground anything, beef turkey.

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