impressive weight. I am a little hesitant with the frame due to the low tyre clearance.

I had a look at your thread. I struggled a bit with the french.

About 9 pages in (of 22), you show a few photos of the tyre clearance. Does "RK 2.2" mean race king 2.2? Am i correct to interpret that you had a 57.7mm (measured) width tyre on there, and still had over 6mm clearance on each side? (from the tyre to the chainstays)

the technical drawing posted in that thread showed much less tyre clearance.

i see that your latest photos have a maxxis ardent 2.25 on the rear. what is the tyre clearance like with that tyre?

Iam also curious about how much space it really is. For me this is the only issue why I have not order this frame.sub

First time long time...planning for a big 2018 and need to swap out my HT for a FS. I have narrowed it down to a FM058SL or a NOS Tallboy CC. I am leaning toward the FM058SL with the Monarch XX.

Couple of items I have learned during research:
- FM058SL now has a max tire size listed of 2.3 on the Alibaba site
- The SL adds $100 to the frame cost
- tskubi's thread has a lot of good data on the thru axle and pivots to support easy upgrade over stock decisions

I haven't purchased yet, but should pull the trigger soon as I am still debating paint.

I would look into the Ican P-8, P-9, or A-7 before this frame. I have a P-8 built up with a 140mm Fox fork. Pretty nice bike. Rear suspension is similar to Transition suspension. This is kind of an old school 4 bar suspension.

I don't know the model number. But a ten second search (Imust 29er frame) brought up this.

Yeah, and the same store sells several frames, none of which have model names or numbers. Sometimes they mention travel, sometimes not. It's like they're purposely making it difficult. They may as well put all the frames in one of those claw crane games at the arcade.

There are plenty of posts of people using 29x 2.4" tires on the P8, P9 frame. Why don't you ask them? Or take their word for it. The S7 frame has 440mm chain stays. Similar to the P8 and P9. So if the P8, P9 can handle 29er wheels the S7 probably can also. The P8 has more BB drop. And so even after upping to 29er wheels, the P8 BB will probably be lower than the S7 BB. I don't know that for sure.

endo_alley, you should probably stop now. Unless your patience knows no bounds, this is only going to end in frustration...

Thanks. I thought I might have misspoke earlier and wanted to clarify any obscurity. But really it doesn't matter either way. I really don't care what choice anybody makes. Others have given me good council in the past. I wanted to pass on the favor with what little I know on the subject. There are no doubt others with more knowledge than me.

You can say that again. Hurts my head just reading it. Endo good on you for providing the information. How are you liking the P8 btw?

It has really turned out to be a great bike. It took a while trying different length stems and stem spacers, and adjusting the seat forward and back a few times till I got the fit the way I like it. I like this particular application of the Horst link rear pivot. The first inch or so of travel seem to resist pedal bobbing. Once you get into the middle of the travel the suspension really opens up. The bike is light. It seems to remain reasonably stable at speed. But will turn on a dime at lower speed. The P8 is more of an all around trail bike than it is an enduro bomber. Unfortunately the bike sits in the garage for now. And out came my fat bike (and skis) for a few months.

First time long time...planning for a big 2018 and need to swap out my HT for a FS. I have narrowed it down to a FM058SL or a NOS Tallboy CC. I am leaning toward the FM058SL with the Monarch XX.

Couple of items I have learned during research:
- FM058SL now has a max tire size listed of 2.3 on the Alibaba site
- The SL adds $100 to the frame cost
- tskubi's thread has a lot of good data on the thru axle and pivots to support easy upgrade over stock decisions

I haven't purchased yet, but should pull the trigger soon as I am still debating paint.

I was also interested in the FM058SL. However the guy at HongFu scared me off with what sounded like a 3 month wait for the lighter frame. Yesterday I ordered the normal non-SL frame, which they have in stock. I think there is a slight delay in the finishing (getting gloss coat), but hopefully it will be shipped out this week. When I get it, I will update this thread with weights etc, and document the build.

I haven't totally decided on a shock yet. While I like remote lockouts, and quite like the hydraulic action of the xx WC fork on my 26er, I am not sold on the xx shock - it seems a Little bit old tech, and haven't found a great deal on it. Where do you think you'll get yours from? I am currently leaning towards the McLeod, which gets rave reviews, is quite cheap, but I am not sure it if is appropriate for a dedicated race bike.

I hope to get it built up under 10kg, which is what my 26er is. While the frame is reasonably light, my wheels will be light, and it will have a lot of carbon stuff on it (bars, post, saddle rails etc), I don't like to go too light on tyres (looking at tyres around 650g), or get any of that super exotic (prohibitively expensive) stuff, so i am not super confident that it'll turn out sub-10.

I was also interested in the FM058SL. However the guy at HongFu scared me off with what sounded like a 3 month wait for the lighter frame. Yesterday I ordered the normal non-SL frame, which they have in stock. I think there is a slight delay in the finishing (getting gloss coat), but hopefully it will be shipped out this week. When I get it, I will update this thread with weights etc, and document the build.

I haven't totally decided on a shock yet. While I like remote lockouts, and quite like the hydraulic action of the xx WC fork on my 26er, I am not sold on the xx shock - it seems a Little bit old tech, and haven't found a great deal on it. Where do you think you'll get yours from? I am currently leaning towards the McLeod, which gets rave reviews, is quite cheap, but I am not sure it if is appropriate for a dedicated race bike.

I hope to get it built up under 10kg, which is what my 26er is. While the frame is reasonably light, my wheels will be light, and it will have a lot of carbon stuff on it (bars, post, saddle rails etc), I don't like to go too light on tyres (looking at tyres around 650g), or get any of that super exotic (prohibitively expensive) stuff, so i am not super confident that it'll turn out sub-10.

Three months!!! Oy vey!!!

The Monarch XX is being sold on eBay by 365cycles for $288.

Hongfu does not make a XL in the SL or non SL even though they advertise it. I am dragging my feet because I would have to run a 110mm stem on the large...

I recently built a size 20.5" Ican S8 and found to my great displeasure about 2mm of side-to-side play in all of the pivot bearings on the frame. I disassembled them and found that instead of Loctite, they were secured with c-clip springs.

I've never seen, heard of, or read about c-clips being used to hold suspension pivot bearings into a frame. Unfortunately, the bike is in the shop, so I don't have any pictures at the moment. Has anyone ever experienced this with a frame? I've browsed every build thread I can find, but everyone else's bearings seem to be properly installed in their frames.
I decided to go with the S8 based on the geometry and other users' positive experiences with their P8 frames, which seems to be as close to a trail bike as the major Chinese manufacturers produce.

I had my local shop loctite the bearings into the frame, but that has only solved about 75% of the flex in the back end of the bike. It's also interesting that KHS is selling the S8 as a "Team 29 FS." TEAM 29 FS - KHS Bicycles I wonder if their frames have this problem. Other than the weird back end looseness, the bike rides great and absolutely rips downhill. This frame is certainly one of the most progressive XC bikes on the market at the moment.

thanks. so i assume 150mm fork would give me 67 degrees. may be a bit less with 200x57 rear shock so i'll get around 135 rear and 150 front. hope the frame will handle this

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Im running the same travel shock in the back as you are. And I weighed in at about 300 lbs last year and rode this bike all year without a single issue. So based on my experience I dont think you will have an ounce of issue!

what do you think if 150mm fork with 29 wheels on p8? you have 140? what is you head angle?

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I am not sure of the head angle. I have a 140mm front fork, and offset bushings in the shock to decrease the shock eye to eye down about 5mm or so. Probably a little slacker than 68 degree specification of the frame. It rides nice as an all around trail bike. I am sure the difference between a 140mm fork and a 150mm fork will not be night and day. And I am sure the bike will handle it. If I was to with a 150mm in the front, I would use a 200 x 57mm shock in the rear to increase the rear travel by 3/4 an inch or so. Bike can handle it, even with 29" wheels.

140mm fork seems fairly well balanced for the bike. If you want to go big, maybe another choice is to consider the P-9. But if you want to put a 150mm fork on this bike I am sure it will handle it. As long as you are ok with a bike that has a lot more front than rear travel. It never bothered me that much. The BB height is low on this frame. So a slightly taller fork won't get your BB height too far out of whack. Main thing is it will slacken the seat tube angle a little.

Has anyone ordered from icancycling.com? Is it a reputable site or should i contact icanbikes.com? The P8 (27.5+ boost Carbon) looks like it will work for a nice 29 xc/trail with all the parts I already have.

Has anyone ordered from icancycling.com? Is it a reputable site or should i contact icanbikes.com? The P8 (27.5+ boost Carbon) looks like it will work for a nice 29 xc/trail with all the parts I already have.

Has your experience with the FM058 frame been positive so far? Is there any strange flex or play in the bearing assemblies or under hard pedaling? I am considering Hongfu's updated FM258, but want to be sure that the frame won't have any small issues. The Ican S8 I own has too much flex around the pivots from poor manufacturing tolerances.

Whos got a xmcarbon fs29? It says 100mm rear, and front, looks like a scott spark with the upsode down shock, however it says 66 head tube angle. I could see if it was the 120 rear. Does this seem right, or a typo?

Whos got a xmcarbon fs29? It says 100m IPm rear, and front, looks like a scott spark with the upsode down shock, however it says 66 head tube angle. I could see if it was the 120 rear. Does this seem right, or a typo?

Im going to ask Peter if its a typo on the fs29, is anybody riding one of these?

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The spark clone is 66.8 I believe. I have the fs027 which is the plus/29er. The geo is identical to the spark except for the stack height which is shorter.

I wouldn't get the 29er though. I would get the fs27 which fits plus and 29er and with trunnion shock will be 120mm rear. The fs27 will have more clearance and I believe the 29 is 142mm rear the 27 is 148mm.

I will say you won't be able to put a trunnion shock on it with out modification.

The bottom mounts are 8mm. Trunnion are 10mm so you will be stuck with a 165x38 shock instead of a 165x45.

Also the non drive side lacks clearance for the air valve due to it not being carved out like a true spark.

At some point in the future I am going to ream out the mount holes and use a dremel to make room for the valve.

Waiting on DVO to release the Opal before I do that though.

You can source a fox 165x45 shock now but they are 449$ and don't come with trunnion bolts.

There is only one place in the world to my knowledge selling the Scott bolts and I'm not telling.

You can however source them from other manufacturers because they are simply pivot bearing bolts.

I know more about these frames then the sellers if you have questions.

I was also interested in the FM058SL. However the guy at HongFu scared me off with what sounded like a 3 month wait for the lighter frame. Yesterday I ordered the normal non-SL frame, which they have in stock. I think there is a slight delay in the finishing (getting gloss coat), but hopefully it will be shipped out this week. When I get it, I will update this thread with weights etc, and document the build.

I haven't totally decided on a shock yet. While I like remote lockouts, and quite like the hydraulic action of the xx WC fork on my 26er, I am not sold on the xx shock - it seems a Little bit old tech, and haven't found a great deal on it. Where do you think you'll get yours from? I am currently leaning towards the McLeod, which gets rave reviews, is quite cheap, but I am not sure it if is appropriate for a dedicated race bike.

I hope to get it built up under 10kg, which is what my 26er is. While the frame is reasonably light, my wheels will be light, and it will have a lot of carbon stuff on it (bars, post, saddle rails etc), I don't like to go too light on tyres (looking at tyres around 650g), or get any of that super exotic (prohibitively expensive) stuff, so i am not super confident that it'll turn out sub-10.

I finally got the frame a few days ago. Yeah, took them about 5 weeks before they shipped it, which was frustrating as they told me they had it in stock right before I paid for it....

Anyway, all is good now. Looks very nice, lot of carbon around BB, not too many imperfections. Bare frame with all bolts, but no shock or rear axle, weighed in at 1.96kg - for a 17.5" "standard" (T700) frame with a gloss coat. Will take some photos when I am a bit more progressed with the build. I delayed ordering all the required components until the frame arrived, so have a bit of waiting still to do. Still am waiting on some spokes for the wheels. I ordered a manitou mcleod. Will probably be another 3 weeks before it is all together.

I finally got the frame a few days ago. Yeah, took them about 5 weeks before they shipped it, which was frustrating as they told me they had it in stock right before I paid for it....

I feel ya. I ordered a similar frame on January 31 and paid immediately. Then they went on 4 weeks of Chinese holiday, weren't able to get manufacturing up until two weeks ago, and now they finally painted it and are preparing to ship. I ordered a special-order extra light Toray 800 version though with different layup, so I don't blame them and I'm happy to wait, you just have to always plan for Chinese holidays, bc there's a lot of them.

I also think the FM258 is interesting (Shenzhen Hongfu Sports Equipment Co., Ltd.). It has a 69 degree HA (assuming 100mm fork), but using a calculator, I saw that a 130mm fork would bring this to 67.5 ish degrees. Spot-on if you ask me.

HongFu has a FM289 on their website. Picture only shows '2018 NEW'. Anyone that has an idea what the frame might be?
I am thinking of getting the FM258, but this might be worth the wait...
Link: Shenzhen Hongfu Sports Equipment Co., Ltd.

Thanks for the info. Looking for a FS!
It seems, after reading around, that the FM258 replaces the FM058 with a better-placed rear brake (the 058 doesn't fit Magura well) and a different top tube.
I see a number of people here own the 058. But does anyone own the 258?

I bought an FM06 (hasnt arrived yet) and im hoping it will be durable enough. Hopefully it will handle and be like a Kona Hei Hei or a Yeti asr c. Hoping and praying the flex stays will not snap right away, that would suck.

I bought an FM06 (hasnt arrived yet) and im hoping it will be durable enough. Hopefully it will handle and be like a Kona Hei Hei or a Yeti asr c. Hoping and praying the flex stays will not snap right away, that would suck.

Do let us know what you find!
I am holding off ordering the flex stay FM258 because they do not produce a 21" model yet.

Thanks for the heads-up, I will check with them!
What do people think about the risk of running a 130mm fork in the FM258 or 058? Could it put more strain on the headtube area of the frame, increasing chances of it snapping?

I finally got the frame a few days ago. Yeah, took them about 5 weeks before they shipped it, which was frustrating as they told me they had it in stock right before I paid for it....

Anyway, all is good now. Looks very nice, lot of carbon around BB, not too many imperfections. Bare frame with all bolts, but no shock or rear axle, weighed in at 1.96kg - for a 17.5" "standard" (T700) frame with a gloss coat. Will take some photos when I am a bit more progressed with the build. I delayed ordering all the required components until the frame arrived, so have a bit of waiting still to do. Still am waiting on some spokes for the wheels. I ordered a manitou mcleod. Will probably be another 3 weeks before it is all together.

How's your build looking? I ordered the SL version on January 31 from Pro-Mance and just got a picture from the agent today. Ready to send out! It took longer because of the Chinese new year holiday in February, paint decal order, and on-demand manufacturing. But it should be lighter. Can't wait! Good deal at $800 all said and done (frame, shipping, painting, fees)..

How's your build looking? I ordered the SL version on January 31 from Pro-Mance and just got a picture from the agent today. Ready to send out! It took longer because of the Chinese new year holiday in February, paint decal order, and on-demand manufacturing. But it should be lighter. Can't wait! Good deal at $800 all said and done (frame, shipping, painting, fees).

Coincidentally, I am finishing up the build today. I finally received the last of the parts (some spokes for the new wheels) 4 days ago, and have since been spending every spare moment putting it together.

I have moved bunch of parts over from the old bikes (fork/drivetrain/brakes etc). Despite a few heavy parts, it looks like it will be just under 10.3kg, ready to race (incl bottle cage, Garmin stuff etc). I have a few bits that I will replace (have a carbon railled saddle, will get a light seatpost clamp to replace the heavy cheap QR, might get a setback seatpost), and will swap the tubes out for sealant when I am happy with the wheels, but otherwise plan to race it as is.

If I had gotten the SL frame and replaced the fork with something more modern (have been looking at 51mm offset forks, which I think this frame is designed for), i probably could have built this up under 10kg.

I'm gonna put up a new thread detailing the build, documenting all the parts and their weights, on chinertown. Will add a link here when I do.

I see your frame has the newer rear end, with the brake mount on the seat stay. I thought that was for the 258, not the 058. Are you getting the 142mm rear end or boost?

Anyone been on the FM-DH181 frame (from Tideace)? They told me it replaces the DH029 frame (the Spark lookalike with a 66* head angle). Feedback on this new frame is from the old frame so that it already has a good review.

If I go for it, I would be slapping a 130mm fork on there, bringing the HA to 68.

Anyone been on the FM-DH181 frame (from Tideace)? They told me it replaces the DH029 frame (the Spark lookalike with a 66* head angle). Feedback on this new frame is from the old frame so that it already has a good review.

If I go for it, I would be slapping a 130mm fork on there, bringing the HA to 68.

That is a nice looking frame! I like the specs and design and all, but I will say the folks at Tideace can be a bit sleazy. I ordered 5 hardtail frames of 2 different models in December and January that were supposedly in stock (I asked), and only just recently got 3 of them. Communication was awful, excuses were questionable, and I will not be ordering via Aliexpress from them again.

If you want a steeper HA there are other options which are lighter as well.

That is a nice looking frame! I like the specs and design and all, but I will say the folks at Tideace can be a bit sleazy. I ordered 5 hardtail frames of 2 different models in December and January that were supposedly in stock (I asked), and only just recently got 3 of them. Communication was awful, excuses were questionable, and I will not be ordering via Aliexpress from them again.

If you want a steeper HA there are other options which are lighter as well.

That's a shame to hear. They have been very responsive to my messages and also speak English relatively well. I will ask to be sure about the 21" frame being in stock then. But now it feels a bit risky...

It's not risky if you're ordering through Aliexpress since you can always get a refund, you may just never get the frame. My brother ordered their Toray 1000 29er hardtail before Christmas and when he didn't have it by April he just filed for a refund. He got the refund very quickly but never got the frame. Just make sure your insurance period (90 days from shipment or something like that) doesn't end before you take action.

My advice if you are going forward with this is to check if its in stock, get an estimated time for order processing, and hold them to it. They do care about their seller ratings.

Anyone riding the Pro-mance M7007 frame? Thoughts? Want to run it as a 29er. Can't tell if the shock is metric or not. Any thoughts?

The descriptions of M7007 and M9007 are very confusing on their website, but if I remember correctly, the agent at Pro-Mance told me M7007 is not compatible with 29" while M9007 is designed for 29" and that there was a real difference in the rear triangle design. A little bit head-scratching, but why not just play it safe and get the M9007? I believe they have boost and non-boost options available for both models. Ask about the details, and I'd only get what is in stock, otherwise you'll be waiting a while.

That Workswell WCB-M-145 looks pretty sweet. I wonder how long before that mold pops up at Hong Fu.

That might be "the one"
Although I would be tempted or really prefer to run it with a 120mm fork and slacken it to just over 67 HA. Another question mark on all of these china frames is the rear tire clearance. I am only interested if I can easily fit a 2.4 - 2.5 higher volume tire in there. These 100mm bikes really need that high volume to take the sting out and make for a faster running rear to smooth things out. Nice looking though!

That might be "the one"
Although I would be tempted or really prefer to run it with a 120mm fork and slacken it to just over 67 HA. Another question mark on all of these china frames is the rear tire clearance. I am only interested if I can easily fit a 2.4 - 2.5 higher volume tire in there. These 100mm bikes really need that high volume to take the sting out and make for a faster running rear to smooth things out. Nice looking though!

Well, if you take a look at the detail page (WCB-M-145-workswellbikes) they clearly indicate the frame is designed to accommodate at most a 29x2.3" tire in the rear. Based on experience, bottoming out on your suspension with a bigger tire than recommended in the rear can mean frame breakage and one complicated warranty claim.

I like the frame a lot, it's great to see the Chinese stepping up their game in terms of aesthetics and geometry. We'll be seeing a lot more of that!