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Hey all, I am new here so I figured I'd start off with some background and a question. I started flying cheap stunt kites a long time ago (Skynasour yellow jobber). I really enjoyed it but it wouldn't fly well unless there was a lot of wind and it was a bit jerky so after it broke, it went in the attic somewhere. Move forward about 20 years, I recently decided to pick up a foil just for fun. I bought a Snapshot 1.9 and I love it! Super fun when windy and a real handful to fly. Well now I want something else to fly when the wind is too light for the foil. I also want to get a kite that can do a good assortment of trick when I learn how to do them. Would a Prism 4D fit the bill or should I be looking at something larger? Thanks!

I will go with a high quality second hand kite if you are in a budget. A brand new one if you are not. One good high quality kite that can trick easily always better than a bagful of cheap kites that don't know how to do tricks. Regarding the size, the kite should be at least 7+ft. in width. A high quality kite will last forever if service properly.

I'd look at Blue Moon kites, they are excellent flyers and Ken's standards will fly in very little wind (in what many others ULs are rated). GWTW also sells the Silver Fox which is well liked by many here on the forum.

If you're not looking to spend alot, I saw a Prism Zephyr for $100 in the swap meet, it might still be available. I agree with the suggestions of Blue Moon, they are true high end kites, and fly as well as everyone says. Durable, too. I don't think I'll ever sell my Exile UL.Mini kites aren't my thing, either, if I had only one kite, it would certainly be a full size kite.~Rob.

Most standard kites wth a fairly low wind range would fly in significantly less wind than your foil. For learning tricks and out of this world build quality, the Blue Moon Exile is the kite to get. If money is a bit tight the Silver Fox kites are a very good choice. Best at slightly more wind than these two but still less than your foil, is the Premiere Widow. Excellent for learning tricks and strong enough to stand lots of abuse. A great design and one of the real values available today. Fly it without the included (but not installed) weight and it does well in lighter winds and still tricks like a champ.

I'm just getting into it all myself. I purchased a Prism Quantum a few months ago and quickly grew frustrated with it because it needs around 5-8mph or higher winds to really get to moving, so I decided to purchase a 4D a week or so ago. After flying it yesterday I was pleased with my decision, but if I had it all to do over again, I would have went with a Silver Fox or Blue Moon Exile. Granted, I'm very impressed with Prism's quality and overall presentation, especially for the price. But I've heard and read enough opinions on here and at a local kite fest, that I'm confident the quality and dynamics of a higher end kite like the Blue Moon's would be worth it. As for what's next, I'm going to keep the Quantum for higher wind days to just rip around the sky...and the 4D really is an excellent low/no wind kite that works good for outdoors or indoor flying. My next purchase though, will be a higher end kite, perhaps a Widow Maker or Exile. Good luck with your quest, there are lots of exciting options out there for you, but the forums here will help you narrow them down.

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So is there something wrong with the 4D or is it just that there are better kites? Are Prism kites lacking in quality in someway?

No, nothing wrong with Prism's, they have a great reputation. The problem with threads like these is that everyone ends up recommending their favorite brand. Unless you go very low budget, it's pretty hard to buy a kite you're not going to have fun with. Which kite is better is as subjective as who makes the best hamburger.

Most of us here have large kite collections. If you become a kite nut, this next purchase of yours will be one of many so I wouldn't worry about it too much. It's a lot of fun to have all sorts of different kites by different manufactures.

[Most of us here have large kite collections. If you become a kite nut, this next purchase of yours will be one of many so I wouldn't worry about it too much. It's a lot of fun to have all sorts of different kites by different manufactures.

Agreed.........you really can't go wrong with any of the forementioned kites............but somewhere along the way, if you become 'hooked', like John says, you'll have a favorite one or two out of your twenty or more kites

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