Daron,
The key phrase was
"Possible technically, but not doable at this time by hams."
I also have some paid networking experience. Rollouts! Upgrades! Rah rah rah!
How do you build and maintain a WAN with $0 funding and NO paid staff?
How have you done this?
Could you give an example?
Most important, if you did create and maintain this free network, then I must ask why? What made you do it?
Is the need to experiment enough?
Daron J. Wilson wrote:
>>Possible technically, but not doable at this time by hams. I don't
>>think this is done by any part 15 groups either. You would have to
>>jump through some hoops to do it commercially, profit might be a
>>>>>problem!
>>I've done it years ago with the Breezecom line of Access Points, several
>times in a campus environment (specifically water treatment plants)
>where the operators used pen tablet computers and little carts to drive
>around the facility. Not doable? Maybe not by you, but it certainly is
>doable.
>>>>> Technical of course is one issue, but political is another not
>>>>>often
>>>>discussed. Who would set up this network? Would it be an existing
>>>>>club?
>>>>Or perhaps an association of clubs? Would a new department of the
>>>>>local
>>>>repeater coordinating committee be needed? Spontaneous small
>>associations of experimenters might be able to do a network locally,
>>but would have to evolve to meet the manning requirements of a larger
>>network. BTW I do think a small group could do it, but of course not
>>>>>for
>>>>any length of time. Do you think a small spark could start a prairie
>>>>>fire?
>>Uhh....the reason the political issue is often not discussed, perhaps,
>is that most of us could care less about that approach. We're hams, we
>like to build and try things. This guy just asked if it was possible
>and where to learn about it and got a liberal arts dissertation on the
>political aspects. I fail to see where you even begin to help the
>gentleman with his question.
>>>>> One asset hams have and I have not seen discussed is the
>>organisation we already have. In many ways we are playing catch up in
>>radio networking, but we are way ahead in not for profit social
>>structure. The ability to run a ham fest to fund a years worth of
>>projects or to actually collect yearly dues is amazing. We are also
>>organized nationally.
>> In most instances when I promote HSMM to hams the question I get
>>>>>is
>>>>not how, but why? We must approach the construction of networks as a
>>social problem.
>>>>>>Actually, I will continue to build networks, use them, share them, sell
>them as needed without approaching their construction as a social
>problem. Yes, anytime you build a network with multiple groups you have
>politics, but I would certainly engineer it from the operations side
>first, then consider the politics. Done the other way around, you'll
>never move forward past the political stage.
>>There are products that do allow mobility, one we've worked with
>recently is Esteem Wireless. Their access points can be configured and
>tweaked with mobility options to allow the build out of the network
>exactly as was designed.
>>Data-linc is another company we use for this type of an environment,
>very good equipment and engineering.
>>It's doable, done, and re-doable.
>>73 N7HQR
>>>>Daron J. Wilson, RCDD ) )
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>>>>>>Carl Walthall wrote:
>>>>>>>>>Hi All
>>>>>>If a person setup a large 802.11b network under part 97 city wide
>>>>>>>with
>>>>>multiple access points running infrastructure. Could a person with
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>laptop in their car drive from one end to the other without losing
>>>connection? In other words, could the network be setup to handoff
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>connection from access point to access point the same as a cell
>>>>>>>phone
>>>>>would (Mobile IP)? I am sure its not the same, but could you stay
>>>connect as long as your getting a strong signal from a access point?
>>>>>>>I
>>>>>would also like to know the best place to read up on this subject?
>>>>>>Thanks in advance
>>>>>>Carl Walthall
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