Posted - 2012.06.04 18:28:00 -
[3] - Quote
I'm all for nerfing stuff, but Inferno was unsatisfactory due to no new shiny ships for me to throw at people. I r mad.I only ever emerge from the shadows when my main is banned.

Posted - 2012.06.04 18:33:00 -
[6] - Quote
Any word on ring mining in relations to planets? IE, are planets with rings going to suddenly become more valued? Or is it an entirely different mechanic?I don't make minerals. I just make ore 20% cooler.

Posted - 2012.06.04 18:37:00 -
[8] - Quote
Im not really sure what a nerfd is but back in my day we never mined on the moon. Matter of fact my grandson Ted told me that the whole moon landing was fake. I told him that there were people in my day that said the same thing but I stand by what I seen personally on the tube and say that it was as real as rain. Boy speaking of rain, we had quite the storm come in and I was trying to figure out a game that I want to play with my grandson Gabe and the power went off. Well thats what wrong with this new world of technology. The boy cried about not being able to do anything and was so sad. Well I dusted off a board game, you know the ones where it asks you questions and you got to guess the answer. I really liked to play board games when I was a kid. We used to make up our own games, I had one called whurlly bird, it had the same kind of rules as hide and go seek except it was... well now that I think of it we just called it hide and go seek, cause that what we were doin. Back in those days, you could go to the store and get a jar of pickles for a quarter. All of my friends and I would eat them until we would get sick. But pickles are good for you in moderation, keeps your joints lubricated.

Any word on ring mining in relations to planets? IE, are planets with rings going to suddenly become more valued? Or is it an entirely different mechanic?

nobody knows

Errr...I believe your leader is working with certain ex-goon (or not ex-goon???) developer to design it?

What it will NOT be:

1. Something that cuts into the null sec alliance's income flow.2. Something that will require much effort for null sec alliances to locate.2. Something that will be real-time-consuming for null sec miners to extract.3. Something that will require too much risk of high priced ships in deep 0.0, away from stations.4. Something that is not easily controllable by the same alliances that control moon-goo now.

Errr...I believe your leader is working with certain ex-goon (or not ex-goon???) developer to design it?

What it will NOT be:

1. Something that cuts into the null sec alliance's income flow.2. Something that will require much effort for null sec alliances to locate.2. Something that will be real-time-consuming for null sec miners to extract.3. Something that will require too much risk of high priced ships in deep 0.0, away from stations.4. Something that is not easily controllable by the same alliances that control moon-goo now.

Posted - 2012.06.04 18:55:00 -
[14] - Quote
I am shocked and appalled at the suggestion that t2 raw materials will still go into the pockets of those groups that can project power in the areas where it resides.

SHOCKED AND APPALLED

On a more serious note, the main idea behind ring-mining is that the income then comes through the bottom of the alliance and has to filter up, instead of coming in at the top and filtering down.

ring mining, which has basically been described as mining incursions where you mine moon minerals cooperatively with ships

Death to ring mining incursions!!! Isk faucet *rabble rabble rabble*

(Waits for a goon to defend mining and incursing in the same sentence) This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.-a Without me, my signature is useless. Without my signature, I am useless

ring mining, which has basically been described as mining incursions where you mine moon minerals cooperatively with ships

Death to ring mining incursions!!! Isk faucet *rabble rabble rabble*

(Waits for a goon to defend mining and incursing in the same sentence)

I cannot imagine any way this isn't an unfun nightmare, but if done right it could avoid the issue that's always screwed up balancing moongoo since it can allow the system to avoid hard bottlenecking, moving some of the value from the bottleneck mineral to other minerals

Posted - 2012.06.04 20:42:00 -
[21] - Quote
At fanfest ring mining was mentioned. What was to be mined was not defined, except for them to say moon materials was a strong contender. The idea is alliance income would come form fleets of miners, not a mostly unattended POS. What was not said was what would moon mining actually mine if ring mining became the current moon materials.

Would moon mining still be moon materials as well? Something new? Or gone completely?

Then there is the question of distribution. Some raw materials in eve are obtainable anywhere, just are in larger volumes as one moves from 1.0 space to -1.0 space. Examples are low end ores, salvage and PI materials. Others are non-existent in high sec and only exist in lower sec space. Examples are moon materials and high end ores.

Which way will ring mining be? Will we be able to mine Technetium in high sec, just in tiny amounts compared to null? Or will it be low and null only?

Posted - 2012.06.04 21:09:00 -
[22] - Quote
The irony, of course, is if you need miners (aka players) to actually dredge up the moon goo. Hulkageddon would probably morph into an advertising campaign to attract high-sec carebear miners into null corps to do the dreary, monotonous task of goo mining. Which, given who has sponsored Hulkageddon and ice interdictions, could make for an amusing situation.

edit: On the plus side, if you figure in CCP's tendency to add in a requisite unannounced major changes to expansions, such as hypothetically removing local from null in this case, requiring players to actually mine moon goo (or its equivalent ) could make "commerce" style raiding practical.You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.

Posted - 2012.06.04 21:29:00 -
[24] - Quote
And when are we going to buff incursions again? And buff the minmatar supers while you're at it.I dont post often, but when I do i'm probably trolling you Currently offering 100% legit hulkageddon security sponsored by the mittani, send 50m to me and 50m to him

Posted - 2012.06.04 22:14:00 -
[26] - Quote
CCP is basically trying to shift people to null sec. Since we know null sec absolutely hates industrialists and only see them useful as target practice, CCP is sort of caught. So, they have to make it so the null sec alliances will beg said industrial types to come to their region.

Imagine that, null sec alliances trying to recruit mining types. Now these alliances who caused these industrialists and miners the most grief, may see interesting times ahead.

CCP is basically trying to shift people to null sec. Since we know null sec absolutely hates industrialists and only see them useful as target practice, CCP is sort of caught. So, they have to make it so the null sec alliances will beg said industrial types to come to their region.

Imagine that, null sec alliances trying to recruit mining types. Now these alliances who caused these industrialists and miners the most grief, may see interesting times ahead.

Incoming Tech Nerf is rumoured to be a "complete refactoring of moon mining". Anybody else got any more details ?

No matter what it is, it's the very least 2 years late, probably over 3 though.

This.

And with the pace of ship "rebalancing" as an indicator of CCP alacrity with necessary game changes, I would not hold my breath. Paging Tech nerf in two or three more years. The only thing that moves quickly are such really really important things like the incredibly wonderful new inventory system.

And lastly, however and whenever the nerf is to be accomplished you can be sure it will be put on the test server with a token call to the player base for comment and critique. It will then be ceremoniously dumped onto tranquility, unaltered in response to any well reasoned or factually supported warning calls. Sorta like the wonderful new inventory system was, and wait for it,

. . . like the original moon goo/ tech II production fix which created the tech mess to begin with.

COPYRIGHT NOTICEEVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.