RedDawg53 wrote:Does Chris Perez pitch for the Indians again this year?

Without doubt, if he's healthy yes.

MLB can't suspend him as he hasn't failed a drugs test (to my knowledge) and the legal process is a civil matter outside of their jurisdiction..... there's a precedence for this as Tim Lincecum was charged with misdemeanor Marijuana possession a couple of years ago and MLB couldn't touch him.

RedDawg53 wrote:Does Chris Perez pitch for the Indians again this year?

Without doubt, if he's healthy yes.

MLB can't suspend him as he hasn't failed a drugs test (to my knowledge) and the legal process is a civil matter outside of their jurisdiction..... there's a precedence for this as Tim Lincecum was charged with misdemeanor Marijuana possession a couple of years ago and MLB couldn't touch him.

A major league player has to damn near kill someone before that union allows even a slap on the wrist.

RedDawg53 wrote:Does Chris Perez pitch for the Indians again this year?

Without doubt, if he's healthy yes.

MLB can't suspend him as he hasn't failed a drugs test (to my knowledge) and the legal process is a civil matter outside of their jurisdiction..... there's a precedence for this as Tim Lincecum was charged with misdemeanor Marijuana possession a couple of years ago and MLB couldn't touch him.

Precarious position to take right now. After the last few days I'm not sure Bud and MLB give much of a crap whether someone failed a drug test or not anymore.

RedDawg53 wrote:Does Chris Perez pitch for the Indians again this year?

Without doubt, if he's healthy yes.

MLB can't suspend him as he hasn't failed a drugs test (to my knowledge) and the legal process is a civil matter outside of their jurisdiction..... there's a precedence for this as Tim Lincecum was charged with misdemeanor Marijuana possession a couple of years ago and MLB couldn't touch him.

Precarious position to take right now. After the last few days I'm not sure Bud and MLB give much of a crap whether someone failed a drug test or not anymore.

There's precedence and the Union is as powerful as it gets... no way there's a suspension forthcoming, not without an appeal and undoubted over-turning.

RedDawg53 wrote:Does Chris Perez pitch for the Indians again this year?

Without doubt, if he's healthy yes.

MLB can't suspend him as he hasn't failed a drugs test (to my knowledge) and the legal process is a civil matter outside of their jurisdiction..... there's a precedence for this as Tim Lincecum was charged with misdemeanor Marijuana possession a couple of years ago and MLB couldn't touch him.

Precarious position to take right now. After the last few days I'm not sure Bud and MLB give much of a crap whether someone failed a drug test or not anymore.

There's precedence and the Union is as powerful as it gets... no way there's a suspension forthcoming, not without an appeal and undoubted over-turning.

I don't disagree. I'm just wondering how this is different from the ARod/Braun situation where there are reports of MlB going for 100 games.

RedDawg53 wrote:Does Chris Perez pitch for the Indians again this year?

Without doubt, if he's healthy yes.

MLB can't suspend him as he hasn't failed a drugs test (to my knowledge) and the legal process is a civil matter outside of their jurisdiction..... there's a precedence for this as Tim Lincecum was charged with misdemeanor Marijuana possession a couple of years ago and MLB couldn't touch him.

Precarious position to take right now. After the last few days I'm not sure Bud and MLB give much of a crap whether someone failed a drug test or not anymore.

There's precedence and the Union is as powerful as it gets... no way there's a suspension forthcoming, not without an appeal and undoubted over-turning.

I don't disagree. I'm just wondering how this is different from the ARod/Braun situation where there are reports of MlB going for 100 games.

I believe, and don't quote me on this, that the actual Drug Policy wording allows suspensions relating to performance enhancing drugs to not only be levied in the event of a failed test but also for evidence of "use and possession" - I guess MLB considers Bosch's potential testimony as sufficient evidence.

I don't believe that stipulation applies to drugs of abuse. Also, drugs of abuse don't get tested for randomly either - they only get tested for if there is evidence that the player in question has used drugs of abuse in the last 12 months. So, you can bet your life that Perez will be tested for it moving forward.

Another thing is, there's also an argument that the Union may not be as vociferous with their defense of the alleged cheats who took performance enhancing drugs than they would when defending a misdemeanour drug of abuse charge.

I know that might sound a little odd but, you have to consider that the Union will be in a "difficult" position - how strongly can they defend a proportionately small number of players who have allegedly cheated and did so at the detrement of the rest of the Union members?!

Defending the "wrong" minority who have wronged the "right" majority if that makes sense.

dazindiansfanuk wrote:Another thing is, there's also an argument that the Union may not be as vociferous with their defense of the alleged cheats who took performance enhancing drugs than they would when defending a misdemeanour drug of abuse charge.

I know that might sound a little odd but, you have to consider that the Union will be in a "difficult" position - how strongly can they defend a proportionately small number of players who have allegedly cheated and did so at the detrement of the rest of the Union members?!

Defending the "wrong" minority who have wronged the "right" majority if that makes sense.

That may be what MLB is banking on, because they basically have one witness who's a proven liar to back up their attempt at self destruction.

idoctribefan wrote:I didn't realize that 1-800-PET-MEDS sold medical mariujuana. FWIW, I've never known anyone named "Brody" who didn't smoke pot so the wife may have a legitimate defense.

You're an eye doctor, maybe Chris was just trying to prevent glaucoma.

FT1I's eye doctor should recommend a selective laser trabeculoplasty for his glaucoma, rather than medicinal therapy. The laser has minimal side effects. The chronic has many side effects including red eyes, apathy, and an insatiable appetite often resulting in man boobs. They should put the list of side effects on the plastic baggy so that people know what they're getting themselves into.

"And three of the better guys in franchise history, Daugherty, Z and now Kyrie could get hurt in a rubber room full of cotton balls." - Leadpipe

idoctribefan wrote:I didn't realize that 1-800-PET-MEDS sold medical mariujuana. FWIW, I've never known anyone named "Brody" who didn't smoke pot so the wife may have a legitimate defense.

You're an eye doctor, maybe Chris was just trying to prevent glaucoma.

FT1I's eye doctor should recommend a selective laser trabeculoplasty for his glaucoma, rather than medicinal therapy. The laser has minimal side effects. The chronic has many side effects including red eyes, apathy, and an insatiable appetite often resulting in man boobs. They should put the list of side effects on the plastic baggy so that people know what they're getting themselves into.

Always with the lasers. Are eye doctors training to become Imperial Storm Troopers or something?

idoctribefan wrote:I didn't realize that 1-800-PET-MEDS sold medical mariujuana. FWIW, I've never known anyone named "Brody" who didn't smoke pot so the wife may have a legitimate defense.

You're an eye doctor, maybe Chris was just trying to prevent glaucoma.

FT1I's eye doctor should recommend a selective laser trabeculoplasty for his glaucoma, rather than medicinal therapy. The laser has minimal side effects. The chronic has many side effects including red eyes, apathy, and an insatiable appetite often resulting in man boobs. They should put the list of side effects on the plastic baggy so that people know what they're getting themselves into.

Always with the lasers. Are eye doctors training to become Imperial Storm Troopers or something?

Some of them, yes. But those with the highest midichlorian counts are training to become Jedi.

"And three of the better guys in franchise history, Daugherty, Z and now Kyrie could get hurt in a rubber room full of cotton balls." - Leadpipe

Sure, what Perez does is his own business. And smoking pot is no more harmful to the smoker than drinking.

But smoking on a regular basis absolutely affects you 24/7. You're not at your best, mentally or physically.I don't think anyone who is being honest with themselves can deny that with a straight face.

Anyone who disagrees hasn't been there, or is in denial. And getting that much? There's either constant consumption or intent to distribute.

On a side note, when I was about 18, ca. 1980, I went for a physical. Dr. asked me whether I smoked pot. I was honest. Afterward, he took my mom aside and told her it's not dangerous, and she should not be worried. Kind of interesting, thinking about it now.

Indians RHP Chris Perez (right shoulder strain) made his first rehab appearance for Class A Lake County, pitching one scoreless inning against Great Lakes. The Indians' closer started the game, allowing two hits while striking out one. ...

Is giving up two hits in one inning pitched in A ball considered a success?

peeker643 wrote:If Perez is healthy he's the guy. Makes everyone more effective and slots out the 7th, 8th and 9th every night.

This.

Pestano started some trends last year that weren't favorable for closing, mostly a drop in velocity and a drop in whiff rate - thus increasing the number of balls in play. This year, the whiff rate is even lower, line drive rate way up, fly ball rate way up, and velo down even further. I'm not entirely convinced that he has the make-up for the 9th either.

Perez has a lot more margin for error at 94 than Pestano does at 91, assuming Perez gets his velo back. If he's sitting 92 like he was, then I'm not sure he can be the guy either, unless he locates extremely well.

Neither guy is optimal, but most closers aren't optimal. I feel better with Perez there over Pestano, probably because Perez has done it and looks more confident doing it. Pestano doesn't look like the same guy pitching in this new role.

A God Damn dead man would understand that if a minor league bus in any city took a real sharp right turn, a Zack McCalister would likely fall out. - Lead Pipe

motherscratcher wrote:Perez probably just had a few jitters. Needs something to help him calm down a bit.

Anyone go any ideas?

Open up that locked cabinet at your practice and let him go shopping.

although the way you post, it seems like that cabinet may already be empty...

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skatingtripods wrote: Pestano doesn't look like the same guy pitching in this new role.

A few games ago, he came on to close- I think it was vs the Reds, trying to close the first win after the losing streak. Before he started the inning, he already looked gassed. Sweating, huffing and puffing way harder than any baseball player should need to.

skatingtripods wrote: Pestano doesn't look like the same guy pitching in this new role.

A few games ago, he came on to close- I think it was vs the Reds, trying to close the first win after the losing streak. Before he started the inning, he already looked gassed. Sweating, huffing and puffing way harder than any baseball player should need to.

He's nibbling. Possibly a byproduct of knowing he doesn't have the same stuff and has to throw perfect pitches, but could also be a byproduct of nerves. It takes a special kind to close effectively. You have to be arrogant, whether openly or with immense confidence. You have to have an ego. You have to have the mentality that you can throw it past every hitter you face. I don't think Pestano has that. Seems like he used to, but he's a much different guy this season.

We could run down a very long list of closers who are/were complete dicks. I'm not saying that's a prerequisite, but there aren't many nice guys throwing 91-92 who are having lots of success in the closer role.

On a somewhat related note, the Indians are in a bit of a bind with the bullpen. With Perez likely walking as a free agent, and Joe Smith probably getting overpaid somewhere else, the Indians will have a pretty sizable reshuffling in the pen. They'll have to try out new LOOGYs, replace their closer and one of their primary setup men. They should be able to get by with Allen in a setup role. Shaw's platoon splits suck, so he should be a matchup guy. No way Albers or Hill are here. They'll keep hoping and praying Hagadone figures it out. Somebody will have to emerge from CC Lee, Preston Guilmet, or they may have to move Danny Salazar to the bullpen, though I don't think they want to abandon the starting experiment.

You really don't want to spend any sizable chunks of money on the bullpen unless you're getting a guy with a really great track record. Too much injury risk and year-to-year volatility, especially because guys coming off one or two good years have been used and abused.

I think Francona needs to be aware of this and try to use Cody Allen in more high leverage spots. I understand that we're trying to win games as well, but we'll be trying to win games next season too, so we need to slowly throw him into the fire this year and get him some experience in big spots.

A God Damn dead man would understand that if a minor league bus in any city took a real sharp right turn, a Zack McCalister would likely fall out. - Lead Pipe