I'm already seeing some rather spectacular arguments to the contrary popping up across the web. The whole "guns don't kill people, people kill people" chestnut is being trotted out in full force. Apparently MORE access to firearms so that everyone can be armed to the teeth while shopping and educating youngsters is a very real vision that some have for their new America.

Didn't some genius from the NRA say recently that the Colorado shooting would never have happened if everyone went to the mall carrying M16s and wearing body armour?

That's the kind of thing you're up against in America, you can't even say 'gun control' to these people.

12-14-2012, 04:10 PM

Iron Ape

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Originally Posted by Wade Barrett 1979

Didn't some genius from the NRA say recently that the Colorado shooting would never have happened if everyone went to the mall carrying M16s and wearing body armour?

That's the kind of thing you're up against in America, you can't even say 'gun control' to these people.

Yeah, some of these clearly intelligent and entirely logical people actually think that we should use our shopping carts at Sam's Club to accommodate our Gatling guns, as looking like an Expendable while procuring one's toilet paper is a completely reasonable thing to think.

12-14-2012, 04:12 PM

Dennis

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Originally Posted by Wade Barrett 1979

Didn't some genius from the NRA say recently that the Colorado shooting would never have happened if everyone went to the mall carrying M16s and wearing body armour?

That's the kind of thing you're up against in America, you can't even say 'gun control' to these people.

ugh! I didn't hear about that but it saddens me that someone is that ignorant.

12-14-2012, 04:13 PM

Robstar

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Originally Posted by Dennis

The United States constitution gives Americans rights to have guns. It does not give us the rights to have unlimited amounts of guns, and guaranteed access to assault rifles. And it doesn't say that Americans need to get them right away... There is nothing unconstitutional about making gun ownership slightly harder.

Let me give you this outsiders opinion - your constitution is flawed in extremis. It does as much, if not more, harm than good. I know that it was created with the grandest of intentions but it is wrong now. It doesn't work. In the same way Communism will only work in certain conditions and situations, the American system has tried to adapt with the times, but diverged from a liveable reality some time ago.

The longer Americans press forward with a flawed ideology, the more the foundation of democracy will crumble. And then.....civil war. Insurrection. Chaos. But there is no other way forward that doesn't involve some chaos and uncertainty.

12-14-2012, 04:14 PM

jelle1809

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Originally Posted by Robstar

I've never been much of a fan of this franchise. Didn't read the books - tried The Hobbit once when I was younger, couldn't take to it. I'll probably still watch it though! ;)

I really like the LOTR franchise, so I freaked out when I heard Peter Jackson was going to this into his hands. And I've been waiting anxiously ever since then. The books are still a lot better than the movies though.

12-14-2012, 04:15 PM

Iron Ape

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Originally Posted by Robstar

I've never been much of a fan of this franchise. Didn't read the books - tried The Hobbit once when I was younger, couldn't take to it. I'll probably still watch it though! ;)

I'm kind of shocked by the lukewarm reception it's receiving. Should be interesting to see if it goes on to be as successful as the LOTR trilogy (which I'm beginning to suspect that it won't).

My main interest in the film stems from the new 48fps format that Jackson used to shoot it. Seems to be pretty divisive so far, and I'm curious as to whether this is going to affect whether Cameron goes through with using the tech for the next two Avatar movies, like he intended.

12-14-2012, 04:17 PM

Dennis

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Originally Posted by Robstar

Let me give you this outsiders opinion - your constitution is flawed in extremis. It does as much, if not more, harm than good. I know that it was created with the grandest of intentions but it is wrong now. It doesn't work. In the same way Communism will only work in certain conditions and situations, the American system has tried to adapt with the times, but diverged from a liveable reality some time ago.

The longer Americans press forward with a flawed ideology, the more the foundation of democracy will crumble. And then.....civil war. Insurrection. Chaos. But there is no other way forward that doesn't involve some chaos and uncertainty.

That's a fair thought. I don't think our constitution is all bad. I just think giving a constitutional right to something that isn't fundamental for your rights, is silly. I don't see any amendment that says I have the right to water, or the right to a horse or a car all of which are more important to my life today. I do think we need some major changes to our constitution... and I do believe that a democratic republic is the best system for a political system.

12-14-2012, 04:24 PM

Wade Barrett 1979

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Originally Posted by Iron Ape

I'm kind of shocked by the lukewarm reception it's receiving. Should be interesting to see if it goes on to be as successful as the LOTR trilogy (which I'm beginning to suspect that it won't).

My main interest in the film stems from the new 48fps format that Jackson used to shoot it. Seems to be pretty divisive so far, and I'm curious as to whether this is going to affect whether Cameron goes through with using the tech for the next two Avatar movies, like he intended.

I'm interested to see how they've stretched such a significantly smaller source of material out to three films. I'm anticipating lots of navel gazing in the middle of each film.

12-14-2012, 04:29 PM

Robstar

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Originally Posted by Wade Barrett 1979

I'm interested to see how they've stretched such a significantly smaller source of material out to three films. I'm anticipating lots of navel gazing in the middle of each film.

They've made 3 out of it? No, this is why it's going to go badly if it does. It sounds a bit like Harry Potter and Twilight milking the last book for two movies. :rolleyes:

12-14-2012, 04:31 PM

Grind_Bastard

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Originally Posted by Robstar

Let me give you this outsiders opinion - your constitution is flawed in extremis. It does as much, if not more, harm than good. I know that it was created with the grandest of intentions but it is wrong now.

This reminds me that Spain's current constitution is only 34 years old and needs a change, but politicians will not hear about it. Same thing seems to happen in the US.