How am I trolling? I've presented my views in an organized, punctuated and spaced (easy to read) form.

Sorry you took offense to me scoffing at "Apple trying to make money." Corporations aren't non-profit organizations that exist to appease consumer's every whim. Apple does a really good job of keeping their customers satisfied (see polls, repeat customers, etc). Its a shame your clinging to the notion that three year old technology should get all the perks of the latest phones. Time to be realistic "kiddo."

Still they'd let it go and let the small population of jailbreakers do their thing.

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Yes, I'm the delusional one in this thread

First of all, jailbreaking is a useful hack that is pretty harmless and gives us some cool perks. HOWEVER, jailbreaking takes advantages of holes (or exploits) in the software to gain access to your phone so as to make it run programs not normally allowed.

These exploits can be used just as easily for bad as they are used for jailbreaking. Apple has a duty to protect its customers (90%+ who don't hack their phones) from malicious use of these exploits. How is that so hard to understand? Its 90%+ versus 10% or less here. How quickly would Apple be sued if they just decided to let jailbreakers have their day and didn't patch any holes? Its all fun and games till your bank info, SSN and everything else get stolen.

Apple also has developer agreements to honor and Cydia infringes on those agreements. Contrary to the (erroneous) majority view here on MMi, Apple has no legal obligation to allow you to keep your jailbreak. The court ruling said only that it wasn't illegal. That ruling stated only that you couldn't be prosecuted for jailbreaking, not that Apple must allow you to keep it through subsequent software updates.

And you do realize that Apple was just named by Fortune as the most admired company......FOR THE 4TH STRAIGHT YEAR? Or that their stock is up 300% in the last 2 years? Or that they're consistently rate #1 in customer satisfaction among tech companies?

I've posted a couple of links below so you can learn a few things before posting again.

Oh Noes!!!!! A company wants to make money oh noes!!!!!!!! That's full-fledged capitalism!!!!!

Originally Posted by jdm.accord

uMAD?

Originally Posted by jdm.accord

How am I trolling? I've presented my views in an organized, punctuated and spaced (easy to read) form.

Surely I don't need to spell this one out to you?

Originally Posted by jdm.accord

Sorry you took offense to me scoffing at "Apple trying to make money." Corporations aren't non-profit organizations that exist to appease consumer's every whim. Apple does a really good job of keeping their customers satisfied (see polls, repeat customers, etc). Its a shame your clinging to the notion that three year old technology should get all the perks of the latest phones. Time to be realistic "kiddo."

I'll accept your apology but you still don't get the point. I took offense at the idiotic, 12-year-old's 4chan language you used to respond to me (as quoted above), not your opinion itself. Read my posts and you will see that. You are perfectly entitled to your opinion - but judging by your responses you clearly don't think I am entitled to mine. And this I do very rightly take offense at.

I never said I believed Apple should be non-profit. I never said I didn't think Apple gave good customer satisfaction (although I am not personally satisfied as a customer, this is mostly because iOS and I don't get along in general.) I'm not clinging to the notion that three-year-old phones should get all the latest perks.

I have a perfectly realistic viewpoint and I am voting with my wallet when my contract gets renewed. If you can't accept another person's viewpoint without getting hostile, that is your problem.

I have a perfectly realistic viewpoint and I am voting with my wallet when my contract gets renewed. If you can't accept another person's viewpoint without getting hostile, that is your problem.

I wasn't hostile, I was sarcastic.

And if you're dissatisfied, voting with your wallet is the best thing you can do. I'm curious though, are you gonna go to Android and be lucky if you ever get any software update other than the one you buy the phone with? Or you gonna go with BlackBerry's vastly inferior hardware? Maybe WinPho 7 and no cut/paste and their phone-bricking OTA updates (oh and their removable but "non removable" microSD cards)?

Seriously, I'd like to know. Because compared to Android (Apple's current biggest "rival"), 3 years worth of firmware support is gonna seem like eternity.

It's just going to get slower and slower. New firmwares=more advances, old hardware can't handle it.

Most older computers can handle software updates, but it won't change the fact the older hardware can't run it well. I had a 4 year old Toshiba laptop, updates are fine, it just runs things slower. Got fed up and sold it and bought another. 4 years is a long time, just like the 3 year old iPhone 3G is getting old.

It was bound to happen. I think the 3GS will be fine up until next year even. But not the 3G.

And if you're dissatisfied, voting with your wallet is the best thing you can do. I'm curious though, are you gonna go to Android and be lucky if you ever get any software update other than the one you buy the phone with? Or you gonna go with BlackBerry's vastly inferior hardware? Maybe WinPho 7 and no cut/paste and their phone-bricking OTA updates (oh and their removable but "non removable" microSD cards)?

Seriously, I'd like to know. Because compared to Android (Apple's current biggest "rival"), 3 years worth of firmware support is gonna seem like eternity.

I'm going with WP7. The cut/paste update is already starting to be rolled out on new devices. The phone-bricking updates were not OTA and if I remember correctly the brick was not permanent, i.e. a factory reset got you a working phone back at least - and in these cloud-enabled days that's not really a big setback. Not to mention it only affected Samsung devices, and at around the same time, there were Samsung devices which were failing Android updates too, so many people have surmised (myself included) that it could have been Samsung-specific, otherwise Samsung are a very unlucky company.

Oh, and I've lived without an expandable memory slot for the last two years and it's done me no harm!

WP7 is still in its infancy, but given its stringent hardware requirements designed specifically to reduce hardware fragmentation (which may have been ruined since the Nokia partnership) I wouldn't be surprised to see WP7 updates for at least a similar length to Apple. I'm dipping into untested waters here, but whether WP7 as a platform is doomed to failure, I'm willing to bet that microsoft won't give this one up so easily.

Good call. I have zero intention of leaving my iP4 but if I were forced to, I'd go WP7. I like Android but the firmware thing would infuriate me. Plus WP7 hardware is super nice. I'm playing with a Samsung Focus right now (I sell cell phones on eBay for a living) and its very nice.

My point on the memory was that it was touted as being expandable but its actually not at this point (Apple makes no such claim).

I think in two years when WP7 has its footing, it'll be a two-horse race for second place between them and Android. WP7 is much more user friendly than Android......but then again I have yet to come across a less user-friendly (basic user) smartphone OS than Android.

I know -- I tried to like Android, but I just couldn't. It doesn't feel professional or polished, or even finished; it really is like a slapdash Linux distro for smartphones. I'm really crossing my fingers that WP7 will 'take' in the market as I feel there's definitely room for another OS...but I guess we'll see!

Be realistic? How about not everyone can afford to get the latest and greatest hardware? Sure it's an old platform, but one that still works. Consider people using phones the rest of us otherwise laugh at. I understand why apple would drop support for the aging device, but a better suggestion would be allow them to upgrade to the 3GS for free... Seeing as they'll drop support for THAT too in another couple years anyway. Realistic... Really? Have fun with all your money and new toys everytime something new comes out.

Be realistic? How about not everyone can afford to get the latest and greatest hardware? Sure it's an old platform, but one that still works. Consider people using phones the rest of us otherwise laugh at. I understand why apple would drop support for the aging device, but a better suggestion would be allow them to upgrade to the 3GS for free... Seeing as they'll drop support for THAT too in another couple years anyway. Realistic... Really? Have fun with all your money and new toys everytime something new comes out.

So go to another platform. Enjoy never getting updates or support for even your one year-old phone. Kthxbye!!

Apple offers the longest support and most thorough support for their phone's OS. How do you not get that?

And if you can't afford a new phone on contract every two years, you likely can't afford your monthly smartphone bill at all. $200 is a small amount of money in a two year span.

lol at apple giving you free upgrades. Back to the non-profit corporation argument are we?

Had you actually read my reply, I said I UNDERSTOOD why apple would drop support for it. And I can afford my monthly bill just fine. And I typically upgrade to something new everytime my contract is up anyways. It really is nice when people actually read what you write... I think you missed my point entirely.

Why on earth would you want to keep your 3G alive, its a dead device that is very slow, get with the times ppl stop acting like you dont have money. If you still have a 3G and live in the United States then you are eligable for an upgrade, spend $49 and get a 3GS if you dont want to spend the $200 on an iPhone 4...

~Tim

Tim, you seem to be forgetting that people could still buy an 8GB 3G until June 7th 2010 in the USA. So no, not everyone with a 3G is upgrade eligible. You are also forgetting about unlockers that use the phone on Tmobile USA. They are not eligible for that upgrade either.

I personally don't have a use for a 3G, but I know alot of people don't care about upgrading to the newest phone. They also could care less if apple stopped updating their firmware.

I didn't read all 5 pages of this thread, so I apologize if I am repeating someone elses post.

Originally Posted by sportjon22

I spoke with apple and they said this is definitely not the case. They said that at the very least, it is going to be able to run 4.3