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I was trained to reduce the speed on tickets. I dont write till 13 over.

If someone is doing 75 in a 60, I write 70 in a 60. If a defense attorney tries to throw up some lame defense about cosine error (which is in the violators favor), then all I have to say is that I clocked his defendant at a higher speed but did give a break to account for any possible errors.

I personally don't have a reason to write a higher speed than what I clock. Don't know why anyone else would either. But hey, thats just me.

thanks for your input guys and well, um i guess i can call you ladies... and Andre3k for your point of view. I know i was in the wrong for slightly speeding.... not 80, so i'd man up and pay a lower speed and not said a word about it... one of the things that just irked me was the way the one cop got in Steve's face and started lecturing him... that is not thier job to do. The other almost ran into mala trying to hurry her off the road... but those 3 that stopped were very professional in the way they treated us after the stop and even apologized (in a way) for the way the first cop was acting. Live and learn... what i have learned... is if i see that again with just one car trying to follow 3 of us... i'll split up the group. I'm NOT saying to run due to the fact that he was not chasing us... just leave the situation.

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Originally Posted by less_than_coop

Its the stupidity. It gets added to our forum in normal and controlled doses which actually serves to the benefit of the website.

you are basing this on a factory speedo, that has never been calibrated. any vehicle that use to pace vehicles has to be calibrated every year.

anyway I'm done with it. Hire Paul Kubosh and set it for a jury trial. Hopefully he will know the officer and they'll work out a "deal."

Heres that "deal".

We get paid OT for any off-duty court appearances. Just like any other job we expect to get paid to come to work when we are off.

I get paid if the case gets dismissed, if you lose, I win, it dont matter. We make the money based on time, not the cases. Most officers could care less about who wins the case. I dont.

So you hire your atty. An officer may be really cool with your attorney, or most of the regular players in traffic court. (Kubosh, Sprecher, Gonzalez, etc).
You atty agrees to hold your case till after lunch, so the officer will most likely get his 6-7-8 hrs of Court OT. then towards the end of the day when the officer and atty are tired and have made enough money, you deal is magically worked out or dismissed.

People think they have these so called "good lawyers", when in fact its all a game. The officers make money, your lawyer makes money, and you get ****ed. the lower income get ****ed even more.
So fight it in court, everyone will make money on it except for you.

Thank you, Sir! I suspected all along that the ticket "game" is actually a profit for all - lawyers, cops, judges etc... Mark asked me once whether i think cops get paid bonuses. Obviously not. That would be too direct and inappropriate. But it is still a "game". And it shouldn't be. Cops should be there for our protection and we (society) have to pay them adequately just for that.

1) A ticket should be looked at as deterrent of dangerous/unsafe behavior, not as a means of profit...
2) cops should get paid well enough and they shouldn't have financial incentive to write tickets (overtime or whatever other "intangibles" there may be)
3) cops should really be after protecting our safety! I.e. watch out for really dangerous behavior and dangerous speeds etc.

thanks for your input guys and well, um i guess i can call you ladies... and Andre3k for your point of view. I know i was in the wrong for slightly speeding.... not 80, so i'd man up and pay a lower speed and not said a word about it... one of the things that just irked me was the way the one cop got in Steve's face and started lecturing him... that is not thier job to do. The other almost ran into mala trying to hurry her off the road... but those 3 that stopped were very professional in the way they treated us after the stop and even apologized (in a way) for the way the first cop was acting. Live and learn... what i have learned... is if i see that again with just one car trying to follow 3 of us... i'll split up the group. I'm NOT saying to run due to the fact that he was not chasing us... just leave the situation.

Why did all of you stop? Im not asking why didnt you run. Just asking if all of you were directed to stop.

I dont know where yo got this from but I'll clear it up for ya. Usually when one officer witnesses a violation and another officer writes the ticket the officer that actually witnesses the violation testifies at trial. The small box in the lower left corner of a COH ticket is where the witnessing officer info goes. it may not be on your copy as sometimes the info is written on the original not the pink copy that you get.

Secondly, a DA will never prosecute a traffic ticket. DA's are Class B and above. The city has prosecutors that handle the Class C cases.

Thirdly nothing will be thrown out until you actually go to trial. The officers that are heavy hitters and write a lot of tix always show for court.

Last, since the witness that actually saw you commit the violation will be the one to testify in court makes the event direct evidence, not circumstantial.

Why did all of you stop? Im not asking why didnt you run. Just asking if all of you were directed to stop.

Directed to stop? I was forced over to the side of the road. :/: I think Steve was too, but I was too distracted to see. We were over towards the right side of 610 when the three other officers showed up. I did see an officer point left to direct us to the median, but before I could really begin to safely make the lane changes, it seems the one was already using his car to herd me over. Brett and Steve were able to slow down and get over quicker than I was, and I guess the officer who was following me decided I was taking too long or something. He was close enough that I could have stuck my right foot out and tapped the squad car. With four cars at their disposal, it would have been much safer had they used their cars to slow traffic while one of them was up with us to give directions.The whole mess created a lot of confusion for the traffic around us.

I was behind Brett and Steve, and I first became aware of the officer in the Impala because he was driving so close behind me. Eventually, he pulled over to the right beside me, and when I looked over, all I percieved was a nut job in an old beater waving his hands like a lunatic. Had I been alone, I would have done what I normally do when nutjobs pull up next to me, downshift and away I go. If I ever get a ticket for speeding because I felt the need to get away from a weirdo, so be it. It's the lesser of two evils as far as I'm concerned.

He was behind us for miles before the other officers showed up, so there was no indication that we were about to bolt. Sure, we could have broken away from the original officer because the traffic was too thick for him to follow, but we didn't--nor would I ever do that anyway. Once I realized who he was, I figured we'd just recieved the "finger wag" which is what I sometimes get when an officer pulls next to me and I'm going 5-7 miles over the speed limit. Honest to , it never even crossed my mind that we were about to enact a scene from Cops. The situation seems analogous to using a cattle prod on someone for swiping a couple of your french fries. :/:

Directed to stop? I was forced over to the side of the road. :/: I think Steve was too, but I was too distracted to see. We were over towards the right side of 610 when the three other officers showed up. I did see an officer point left to direct us to the median, but before I could really begin to safely make the lane changes, it seems the one was already using his car to herd me over. Brett and Steve were able to slow down and get over quicker than I was, and I guess the officer who was following me decided I was taking too long or something. He was close enough that I could have stuck my right foot out and tapped the squad car

That would have freaked me out and severly me off! As a female rider you wouldn't believe some of the we have to put up with on the roads! I would have prolly been arrested cause I sure would have tlod him a thing or three! That is unsafe and uncalled for!

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with the bad rap that metric riders have given themselves and others in Houston, there is NO way you will fight and win that ticket.

I kinda agree with this statement.... think they prolly could win but with all the jackasses that do warp speed on public roads and weave in and out of traffic and freeway whoolie it is no wonder all of us don't get effed with more often. the sportbikers of today are looked at like the harley riders of the 70's... scum and trouble makers so you boys and girls CYA.....

thanks again andre3k... i'm sure there are a lot of riders who have learned something from all this...

good luck again to sb, mala and the other rider...

+1

I appreciate Andre3K telling us how it is... (I too have received my share of tickets (and it's worth the money for the lawyer vs higher insurance rates).... and always wondered how come I was always last...