edocsil wrote:Few points for you aage. I agree lovo is a good possibility for CL. Sam hasn't claimed actions either, so I am leery of him yet and it seems like a lot of overlap (second Jailer) I "trust" saf, aage, DJ and Hippo not to be the CL at this point.

If I was to gamble I would pick Sam for CL, closely followed by Red. However, I am very sure Red is at least a Cultie, if not the CL himself. Lovo comes in 3rd for CL due to unverifiable claims. Nag with the BP claim is just ASKING to get shot by the vig for a claim test and to ensure he is not the CL without costing the town, and he should know that. Unlikely that the Scum will waste their NK on him, they have a lot to lose by that. Me and shaggy I obviously cannot comment on.

Yo edoc... Hold on there a second before you all get me lynched... I have claimed my night actions here As a matter of fact, I was one of the first to do it. And, ON TOP OF THAT, I have fully claimed my letter and role.

Skimming or are you trying to increase the pressure on the innocent Mr. N? Either way, I think that you look extremely guilty here.

I had forgotten. It still doesn't make the 2 jailers make sense. (and really, yes, that is what you are) IDGAF that you have claimed letter and role, I have as well. I also dislike you insistence on the whole letter/role thing, especiall when we had a W doc, M and B Cops and a R Tracker. Also, OMGUS noted.

edocsil wrote:Few points for you aage. I agree lovo is a good possibility for CL. Sam hasn't claimed actions either, so I am leery of him yet and it seems like a lot of overlap (second Jailer) I "trust" saf, aage, DJ and Hippo not to be the CL at this point.

If I was to gamble I would pick Sam for CL, closely followed by Red. However, I am very sure Red is at least a Cultie, if not the CL himself. Lovo comes in 3rd for CL due to unverifiable claims. Nag with the BP claim is just ASKING to get shot by the vig for a claim test and to ensure he is not the CL without costing the town, and he should know that. Unlikely that the Scum will waste their NK on him, they have a lot to lose by that. Me and shaggy I obviously cannot comment on.

Yo edoc... Hold on there a second before you all get me lynched... I have claimed my night actions here As a matter of fact, I was one of the first to do it. And, ON TOP OF THAT, I have fully claimed my letter and role.

Skimming or are you trying to increase the pressure on the innocent Mr. N? Either way, I think that you look extremely guilty here.

I had forgotten. It still doesn't make the 2 jailers make sense. (and really, yes, that is what you are) IDGAF that you have claimed letter and role, I have as well. I also dislike you insistence on the whole letter/role thing, especiall when we had a W doc, M and B Cops and a R Tracker. Also, OMGUS noted.

I don't see you coming forth with any earth shattering revelations that are going to help town, now do I.

as it happens every one jumped on my statement that I was a granny and I didn’t say PGO the fact is they are both the same thing it happens I have always played with the term granny (maybe because I play on epicmafia a lot more that CC mafia) & never used PGO it is just a personal preference I didn’t expect it to make too much of a difference I’m sorry for the confusion

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edocsil wrote:Few points for you aage. I agree lovo is a good possibility for CL. Sam hasn't claimed actions either, so I am leery of him yet and it seems like a lot of overlap (second Jailer) I "trust" saf, aage, DJ and Hippo not to be the CL at this point.

If I was to gamble I would pick Sam for CL, closely followed by Red. However, I am very sure Red is at least a Cultie, if not the CL himself. Lovo comes in 3rd for CL due to unverifiable claims. Nag with the BP claim is just ASKING to get shot by the vig for a claim test and to ensure he is not the CL without costing the town, and he should know that. Unlikely that the Scum will waste their NK on him, they have a lot to lose by that. Me and shaggy I obviously cannot comment on.

Yo edoc... Hold on there a second before you all get me lynched... I have claimed my night actions here As a matter of fact, I was one of the first to do it. And, ON TOP OF THAT, I have fully claimed my letter and role.

Skimming or are you trying to increase the pressure on the innocent Mr. N? Either way, I think that you look extremely guilty here.

I had forgotten. It still doesn't make the 2 jailers make sense. (and really, yes, that is what you are) IDGAF that you have claimed letter and role, I have as well. I also dislike you insistence on the whole letter/role thing, especiall when we had a W doc, M and B Cops and a R Tracker. Also, OMGUS noted.

Yes, he is probably mafia, I already said that. His block is legitimate, though, so as I said, not our man.

We need either a replacement or a very very very large prod on Shaggy.

edocsil wrote:Few points for you aage. I agree lovo is a good possibility for CL. Sam hasn't claimed actions either, so I am leery of him yet and it seems like a lot of overlap (second Jailer) I "trust" saf, aage, DJ and Hippo not to be the CL at this point.

If I was to gamble I would pick Sam for CL, closely followed by Red. However, I am very sure Red is at least a Cultie, if not the CL himself. Lovo comes in 3rd for CL due to unverifiable claims. Nag with the BP claim is just ASKING to get shot by the vig for a claim test and to ensure he is not the CL without costing the town, and he should know that. Unlikely that the Scum will waste their NK on him, they have a lot to lose by that. Me and shaggy I obviously cannot comment on.

Yo edoc... Hold on there a second before you all get me lynched... I have claimed my night actions here As a matter of fact, I was one of the first to do it. And, ON TOP OF THAT, I have fully claimed my letter and role.

Skimming or are you trying to increase the pressure on the innocent Mr. N? Either way, I think that you look extremely guilty here.

I had forgotten. It still doesn't make the 2 jailers make sense. (and really, yes, that is what you are) IDGAF that you have claimed letter and role, I have as well. I also dislike you insistence on the whole letter/role thing, especiall when we had a W doc, M and B Cops and a R Tracker. Also, OMGUS noted.

Yes, he is probably mafia, I already said that. His block is legitimate, though, so as I said, not our man.

We need either a replacement or a very very very large prod on Shaggy.

mmm. You're right, probably barking up the wrong tree here. So that leaves us with what, Me, shaggy, LoVo and Red?

Out of the 4 remaining, red claiming PGO has all sorts of question marks there. We can't know for sure if anyone has targeted him. It doesn't force him to make up night actions. It's pretty much unverifiable because of the risk.

However, seeing as how we have some people yet unclaimed, I will refrain from voting for now.

I can't remember the rationale for each of these choices (seems so long ago...) but I can re-read and do my best if its a big deal.

I'm not fully caught up yet, just saw that this was desperately needed, going to catch up briefly on other games then come back here.

Just in case you wanted my input, this passed my test. JOAT can do all sorts of things. X is the most common variable in math. IMHO shaggy is telling the truth.

This day can't be going on much longer. We need to really make a decision about the lynch.

I'm still not very comfortable with relying so heavily on flavor to verify a claim. There seems to be a lot of rationalizing after the fact.

For example, could you tell me what zimmah (Mr. T) was? If zimmah came out and claimed something, than you would come up with some reason for his flavor to fit his role. But it's not like you can use that solely to clear/incriminate someone.

I'd like to bring up a very quick aside as the vodean modkill. We know there were 2 kills on Night 1. One was mafia and one was SKer. After vodean was modkilled, we haven't had more than 1 NK a night for 2 consecutive nights. If the SKer was still alive, it would incredible luck to kill the same person as the mafia/have the target be saved twice in a row. While I don't have concrete evidence, the numbers seem to point at vodean being the SKer.

I honestly don't know what you both are rambling on about. Shaggy has zero evidence to back up his claim. Obviously he would choose the letter X because he knew we'd pay attention to that. He doesn't tell us what his final ability is. All his previous actions have yielded zero result.

ok guys I'm giving a 90ish hour warning at this point. This gives you a full 3 days and then most of a 4th day to make a decision. If someone can do votecounts during this time I would appreciate it as I'm dealing with a death in the family at the moment and might be sparce on the computer for the next 3 days.

redhedge47 wrote:as it happens every one jumped on my statement that I was a granny and I didn’t say PGO the fact is they are both the same thing it happens I have always played with the term granny (maybe because I play on epicmafia a lot more that CC mafia) & never used PGO it is just a personal preference I didn’t expect it to make too much of a difference I’m sorry for the confusion

That would explain why you chose to fake claim as Granny then? Clear admission of guilt in my eyes.

aage wrote:Saf, Zimmah v1.0 was the serial killer. He died during night 1.

I honestly don't know what you both are rambling on about. Shaggy has zero evidence to back up his claim. Obviously he would choose the letter X because he knew we'd pay attention to that. He doesn't tell us what his final ability is. All his previous actions have yielded zero result.

Man do I feel stupid.

But it's true, with shaggy not revealing the final ability, we cannot assume he's cleared. Especially since nobody else has cleared him and his night actions are inconclusive.

redhedge47 wrote:as it happens every one jumped on my statement that I was a granny and I didn’t say PGO the fact is they are both the same thing it happens I have always played with the term granny (maybe because I play on epicmafia a lot more that CC mafia) & never used PGO it is just a personal preference I didn’t expect it to make too much of a difference I’m sorry for the confusion

That would explain why you chose to fake claim as Granny then? Clear admission of guilt in my eyes.

I understand that we are pretty close to LyLo (Lynch or Lose) because the cult could be about to overrun town.

I understand that we have yet to lynch a scum and we don't know about Vodean because the modkill doesn't show his alignment. That means we have a lot of scum still out there.

I understand that between available scum and cult, there are probably alot of bad guys.

What I don't understand is that in order for scum to win, they also need to eliminate the cult and therefore should be aiming for cult targets to help themselves win. So, why aren't more scum trying to help out us town? Did the cult turn all the scum? Mafia should be able to rat out at least one of their turned colleages.

What I don't understand is that while we are arguing who the cult leader is and who is what, time is ticking away and several people have pointed to RED being at least cult if not CL or scum and people aren't voting for him. At this point, why wait to lynch someone who people think is scum? What advantage does it hold for town? This is not a rush to lynch call. This is a "get off your butt and vote so that we can at least have a fighting chance" call. We don't even have a change to win this if we have a no lynch today.

@red ... can you say anything more than "I am a PGO"? I think I may have been daydreaming or something but your claim seemed solid until you trivialise it with pith. So, seriously, I'd be happy to hammer if you simply aren't going to make an effort here. I can't help but think you may be telling the truth but warm fuzzies aren't going to cut the mustard I am afraid - can you prove you are a PGO? If not then bye bye!

There is no way to really tell he is a pgo....except for someone unlucky to hammer. The best way I feel is to look at what he has posted and his known meta. I have played with him once and he was bad..And thats the only read I have. I buy his shit about granny and pgo mix up. Sort of...like it depends on how often you go back and read your role. Like I never re read unless im a super imp power role or a joat etc. If i am a pgo i juts go yep...okay on with it. Same as this game. Yep I am a governor okay on with it. honestly this game is fubar because of the mod kill..specifically the no reveal...Cause it puts the game potentially at lylo because we learnt nothing from it.

samgrossy wrote:What I don't understand is that while we are arguing who the cult leader is and who is what, time is ticking away and several people have pointed to RED being at least cult if not CL or scum and people aren't voting for him. At this point, why wait to lynch someone who people think is scum? What advantage does it hold for town? This is not a rush to lynch call. This is a "get off your butt and vote so that we can at least have a fighting chance" call. We don't even have a change to win this if we have a no lynch today.

Let me make this very clear.

We should NOT lynch the CL today.

What we should do is find out who he is so that I can jail him. That way, he cannot be killed by scum (therefore town cannot be endgamed by majority) and he cannot recruit me (therefore he cannot win by recruiting all town). Scum cannot NK me since they would hand the victory over to the CL.

This is the only way I see out of this scenario. In order to fulfill it, we have to a) know who the cult leader is and b) lynch scum. Every day.