Does he have value? Sure, but I hope that Joe D doesn't sign him for a huge amount to justify his age and draft position. Looking at the guys he is around, I figure a shorter contract is in order (3 years?) -at around the MLE.

The 14 times he refused to re-enter the game last season because there wasn't a juicy enough role for him

The way he has refused to work on his game which is why he is the same player he was when he came into the L

How it is always someone else's fault

How it took him 3 years to push the ball up the court all the while claiming they needed to run

How they need to find a coach to cater to his 14 ppg, 44% shooting despite the fact that he never shoots beyond 15 feet talent

How he carries himself like Mike Jordan but would struggle to beat Jeff Jordan

The Pistons got many problems. It seems the best rational people can come up with for re-signing Stuckey is that they have plenty of other bad contracts on the books. I think they could replace 85-90% of what he (allegedly) does without much effort. The team will play better without him.

Stuckey is not the saviour of the team, and he didnt play or behave like it. I dont get your intense hate for him though...did he sleep with your mother? wife? husband? He was far from the worst player on the team, and actually led the team in numerous categories. But reading your posts about him I would think he shot mother theresa at center court at halftime, while slapping a newborn with the last known bald eagle in existence.

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Everything with Ernie is extreme hyperbole. I thought we all knew this? I mean, look at the following post. Now, "Stuckey carries himself like MJ, never worked on his game (seems like a really facetious claim to make unless you actually KNOW him personally), is the same player today he was when he came into the league (false)", etc.

Everything with Ernie is extreme hyperbole. I thought we all knew this? I mean, look at the following post. Now, "Stuckey carries himself like MJ, never worked on his game (seems like a really facetious claim to make unless you actually KNOW him personally), is the same player today he was when he came into the league (false)", etc.

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Hold on there Batman. This is Stuckey's progress since he's been in the league:

Other than the ppg, everything is just pretty much a flat line. And really, if you discount his first year (during which Billups was still here and he was averaging far fewer minutes), he was able to bump his scoring average from 14ppg to 16ppg in 3 years. A whopping 2ppg.

I think that there is an illusion of progress because the team around him has sucked more every year than the year before for the past 3 years. He looks like he's rising, but in reality he's just staying put while everybody else is sinking into oblivion.

So, I don't know which is worse; that he's been working on his game all this time with no noticeable improvement, or that he just has not been doing anything.

I do like Stuckey as a player, but I gave up on the hope of him improving his game. Either he's working with all the wrong trainers, or he was about 98% of the way to his ceiling when he entered the league.

I hardly evaluate player's performance with just the standard stats, as those are dependent on a lot of things. I look at the advanced metrics stats.... which all improved significantly this year for Stuckey.

And yes, I do think it's facetious to claim that Stuckey hasn't even put the work in. You can say you don't think he's improved and the work hasn't paid off, but saying that he hasn't worked on his game at all implies that he is lazy and hasn't tried to improve... and I don't see how there's anyway you can say that without knowing him.

I would say Rodney's Diva attitude is the reason we might assume he is not the hardest worker in the off season. He did lose weight apparently during the past summer but the results didn't show on the court.

Please post the "advanced metric stats" for all to see and maybe that will prove Rodney does indeed work hard and has improved over the long years he has been here.

I will admit his hugs per game stats have risen steadily as the Pistons team success has sunk steadily.

I hardly evaluate player's performance with just the standard stats, as those are dependent on a lot of things. I look at the advanced metrics stats.... which all improved significantly this year for Stuckey.

And yes, I do think it's facetious to claim that Stuckey hasn't even put the work in. You can say you don't think he's improved and the work hasn't paid off, but saying that he hasn't worked on his game at all implies that he is lazy and hasn't tried to improve... and I don't see how there's anyway you can say that without knowing him.

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The so called "advanced metrics stats" can make any player look good. If you don't put stock in standard stats, you should run away from the "advanced" stats.

I was giving Stuckey the benefit of the doubt. If he's actually working really hard to improve his play, but with virtually no results, then that proves my point that he has already reached his potential. Either that or he is insane, as in doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

I was giving Stuckey the benefit of the doubt. If he's actually working really hard to improve his play, but with virtually no results, then that proves my point that he has already reached his potential. Either that or he is insane, as in doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

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I'd feel a lot better if it came out in the paper that Rodney has been spending his off-seasons smoking weed, playing Xbox and watching re-runs of BJ & The Bear.

At least then we'd have hope that he could come back after [STRIKE]the lock-out[/STRIKE] this Summer with a little range on his jumper.

I would say Rodney's Diva attitude is the reason we might assume he is not the hardest worker in the off season. He did lose weight apparently during the past summer but the results didn't show on the court.

Please post the "advanced metric stats" for all to see and maybe that will prove Rodney does indeed work hard and has improved over the long years he has been here.

I will admit his hugs per game stats have risen steadily as the Pistons team success has sunk steadily.

The so called "advanced metrics stats" can make any player look good. If you don't put stock in standard stats, you should run away from the "advanced" stats.

I was giving Stuckey the benefit of the doubt. If he's actually working really hard to improve his play, but with virtually no results, then that proves my point that he has already reached his potential. Either that or he is insane, as in doing the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

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You have to look at them within the context of other data and you cannot really fairly compare per minute averages of a starting player, with a guy that comes off the bench and plays the majority of his minutes against the other team's bench players.

But then again, I think it's incredibly simplistic to just look at the regular numbers, when Stuckey's role and minutes both changed this year (playing 3 less minutes per game) from last year. Stuckey averaged more than a full point more per game last year than he did this year, but Stuckey was a significantly better player this year, as he was far more efficient shooting the basketball, got the line a lot more, finished better at the rim and was a better passer.