afrikaPB wrote:Don't mock, I am actually asking... My dogs eat horse poop and hoof trimmings. Aside from manure from a recently wormed horse, has anyone heard of negative side effects of eating it? I ask because it really firms up Nuggets poop, and seems like a natural way to get his greens, so to speak.

Nothing wrong with eating horse manure. It is quite nutritious and apparently delicious! My dogs eat it on the regular and I don't stop them. They actually eat all kinds of poop. Oh! and my dogs have never had any intestinal parasites and they do not get wormed aside from strategically administered heartworm meds which I started this year because we have had a case of heartworm in our area. I think there is some validity to dogs building immunity to intestinal parasites if they are not wormed.

Before we had even gotten Grendel, we had a ferret who was diagnosed with insolinoma (tumors of the pancreas), he needed high quality protein foods to help him keep a normal blood sugar level so he would not have seizures. So I researched raw for ferrets, which is a huge pain in the ass, like cats they can take a long long time to switch over. I started by making him soup, unfortunately bandit passed away shortly after, however I kept my ferrets on soup over the years, we never made the full transition to raw.

When we got Grendel he was on kibble. However he developed demodex and allergies, I started researching ways to boost his immune system. I was also fairly sure he had some sort of food allergy, but not to meats, to something else in the kibbles. Considering we fed grain free kibbles it was super hard to narrow down. Grendel grew up getting RMBs and other various meats here and there. I already had a basic understanding of raw theory but I read threads here, joined yahoo groups and got Lew Olsen's book. Talked to my bf about it and we made the switch.

I agree Vin, some raw feeders are really anal. I dont measure food, I eyeball it, if they have loose stool they get more bone, hard stool less, I dont measure every single thing, as it all works out over time. TBH I love the way the dogs react to their raw meals vs kibble meals. They jump around and gobble it up, granted brie eats anything, grendel hates kibble and never finishes a kibble meal.

Soft Boiled Eggs I do them 30 at a time and it takes about 5 minutes total, mostly waiting. Fresh Organic Blueberries from our local berry CSAChicken Gizzards and Hearts Chicken LiversAll of the above in a bowl so far. Veggies: Collards, Kale, Celery, Carrots, Patty Pan Squash, Orange Pepper, Habanero Pepper, Garlic, Ginger, Beet, Beans.How Much Veggies Per Bowl:This Week's OilsAmount of Oil Per Bowl:Alternate oil:Stinky Green Tripe amount. I keep 2 lbs in a stainless container with an airtight lid:Goat Milk & Kefir. I give 1 oz of Kefir and pour in as much goat milk as I feel like.10lbs Chicken Parts in a stainless container:Chicken with lid on. This is how I store in fridge.Finished Meal with a whole chicken quarter for an 80 lb Dutch Shepherd.Finished Meal with a chicken thigh for a 50 lb APBTSide by side comparison of amountsSimple Cleanup: One Pint Glass with soapy water and everything I used that isn't going back in fridge:Fridge Storage. Everything except the chicken container fits inside this stainless pan and it slides perfectly into the space where a vegetable crisper drawer would go in a fridge. The chicken container slides right above it on the lowest shelf:Enjoy!

Oh Yeah I didn't get pix of the supplements but you can see most of them in the finished meals.

Personally I believe "raw" should be called "custom" as each dog, each gene pool, and each lifestyle benefits from specific incremental changes FROM "the plan". I've been recently following the "Paleo" movement (for humans) and they are finding that diets need to shift according to genes (race), lifestyle, and goals. You, and your dog, are as individual as a snowflake and your diet needs to reflect that individuality.

Intuition, flexibility, and the constant need to learn is very important if you plan to feed raw.

I began as a BARF feeder and blended, cooked, ground, and did everything the books said you should 8 years ago... now I'm firmly in the Prey Model and believe, for a "normal" lifestyle, this is the easiest way to long term health for your dog.

There is no benefit to researching "PRO" raw as Consumer Products Firm can NOT make money from you feeding raw to your dog. In fact they make LESS money if you do as kibble and canned foods are "waste systems" for non human quality meats and veggies. The grains in kibble are not the corn and wheat that humans eat, they are by-products of other products, largely cattle feed and HFCS. (Watch "King Corn" on hulu, if you want a partial glimpse into the corn industry.)

The more I understand about our food sources, the more I worry about our future. As I've removed grains from my diet, I've learned so much about how our diets are NOT healthy w/r/t meat sources, fatty acid balance, metallic cofactors, and probiotics. We've really only been consuming highly processed foods for the last 40 years and as our generation ages, we will likely see the results

If you speak with Ph.D students and professors at research institutions you'll understand how BIG industry funds most research and how many researchers' hands are tied. It is a shame the majority of research, for all topics, ISN'T a naive pursuit of truth and information Instead it is fuel for PROFITABLE innovation.

Call me a cynic, but I prefer to acknowledge the pollutive effects that MBAs have brought to the table.

El_EmDubya wrote:There is no benefit to researching "PRO" raw as Consumer Products Firm can NOT make money from you feeding raw to your dog. In fact they make LESS money if you do as kibble and canned foods are "waste systems" for non human quality meats and veggies. The grains in kibble are not the corn and wheat that humans eat, they are by-products of other products, largely cattle feed and HFCS. (Watch "King Corn" on hulu, if you want a partial glimpse into the corn industry.)

The more I understand about our food sources, the more I worry about our future. As I've removed grains from my diet, I've learned so much about how our diets are NOT healthy w/r/t meat sources, fatty acid balance, metallic cofactors, and probiotics. We've really only been consuming highly processed foods for the last 40 years and as our generation ages, we will likely see the results

If you speak with Ph.D students and professors at research institutions you'll understand how BIG industry funds most research and how many researchers' hands are tied. It is a shame the majority of research, for all topics, ISN'T a naive pursuit of truth and information Instead it is fuel for PROFITABLE innovation.

Call me a cynic, but I prefer to acknowledge the pollutive effects that MBAs have brought to the table.

LMW

Well said.

Re: soft boiled eggs I use soft boiled because my dogs always looked off after eating whole raw eggs. I later discovered that the albumen (white) can cause digestive upset in dogs and allergies in some dogs but if you cook the white then it is easily digestible. However, the yolk is more nutritious raw, so soft boiled was perfect. I bring water to a boil and then take the eggs off and dunk in cold water.

Re: Spicy peppersI just use the meaty part and only a teeny weeny bit like a thumb nail sized chunk at a time as I noticed my dogs love spicy thai and mexican food. Peppers have anti bacterial qualities and are good for circulation as well. The first time I used one I was a bit nervous as the peppers were hot! but the dogs went to town and didn't seem to even notice so I will get a pepper every so often and add it until its gone.