Itachi could defeat Non-Rinnegan Tobi/Obito??? Fuq out of here! OBITO Shits on him!!!

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Lmao I know bro there retarded to the highest level! Not a single one of them make any since what so ever!
They say Genjutsu would work on someone who is also a MS user
They say the sword could seal him when it cant touch him
they say Amateratsu would kill him when he stopped it already

They have no facts from the manga that would suggest itachi could win. So they spit bullshit making them selfs look even more retarded! Sad little fanBois.lol And they wonder why no one on this site takes them serious. haha

Originally Posted by TurrinB

I really don't think he could. It's taking a team of Naruto, Gai, Killer B, and Kakashi just to counter Obito's Kamui.

But they think itachi can solo them 4 at once. -___- they are retarded!

he survived that attack using izanagi and how many times in a fight can tobi use it -2!!!!!!!
number of times itachi can use ameterasu is more than tobis izanagi itachi can also use izanami to defeat tobi...
ITACHI>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sharingan tobi

There seems to be a bit of confusion on if Itachi could defeat ToBI before he got the rinnegan... -__- really??? Itachi stood no chance at all! And im going to list facts on the situation since ppl dont read the manga!

Biggest misconception is: "Tobi was afraid of itachi, thats why he didnt attack the village".... Really? What Manga was anybody who believe this reading? Let me list the real FACTS FROM THE MANGA!

It was a pact/agreement/deal/understanding anything along those lines that they made! So STFU saying he was just scared of itachi and thats the reason why he didnt attack the Leaf.

And right here is where they made the deal from itachis own lips!!! But ppl still cant read i guess! smh

Then right here he says if he knew his secrets he would be dead. Thats the same for any ninja! If Chiyo them knew Sasoris secrets from the beginning they could of killed him. If Jman knew Pains secret he could of won. If Asuma Knew Hidan secret he could of been alive right now. We seen what happened when Sasuke figured out diedara uses Earth style, SHikamaru knew Hidans secret, Naruto knew Pains secret, Konan supposely knew Tobi's secret etc etc.

So STFU Little kids (i say Little kids because most kids under the age of 16 are the ones who seem to think this non-sense and cannot read the manga obviously). But im not down yet!

Now im going to go on the Battle aspect of the fight and how Tobi is just better! Im going to list how Tobi Counters everything Itachi has to offer!

Genjutsu:
This is the most easiest thing to counter! First off ima list what itachi himself STATED; http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/142/15 Right here is where he says some own with my blood (which obito is a full blooded Uchiha) so itachi would not even try to use a costful Jutsu on tobi (or Madara as he knows him to be). But more then that, Tobi would know what to expect and most likely know how to break it (disrupt your chakra like sasuke did). So in short Obito>>>>Genjutsu

Taijutsu:
Next we Have Taijutsu... Really? Tobi who can read movements from Might Guy Himself http://www.narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/596/11 whos is a better Taijutsu fighter then him btw. Not only that he was battling Naruto KM as well at the same damn time and winning! Plus the fact if Itachi gets to close and grabbed he is getting sucked up! GG Itachi! Obito FTW in this department!
Obito>>>>Taijutsu

Ninjutsu:
This is where things gets fun!!! Im going to highlight itachi's known "advantages":

Amateratsu:

As you can see it was a body wide hit from the attack! And he survived it at point blank range!!! Why the **** do ppl still think that attack would work when its manga proof that it would not!!!!
And when it doesn't work, itachi would feel the side effects like him and sasuke always feel after using the black flames they leave themselfs WIDE OPEN!!! Grabbing there eyes because of the pain.
Obito>>>>>>Amateratsu

With his Kamui the jutsu is as good as useless!

Susanoo:
Again with Kamui this is the most useless of itachis 3 techs! Itachi would never lay a hit on tobi! We all know susanoo has no defense from below:

And keep in mind Obito Knows everything about the sharinagn and any version it has to offer! He would know about everything Itachi is doing and how it works!

Totsuka Blade has to pierce to seal anything it wants.

And as we know with Kamui this will never in a million years happen!!!

So in short anything Itachi can do that would be major will be useless based off Manga facts!!!

If itachi gets in range Tobi unleashes giant projectiles from his Kamui Dimension:

P.S. If shit gets real Izanagi instantly solves that problem! And dont say "he has izanami to counter that" when izanami takes forever to set up and preform and Tobi knows about it and would know how to counter it!

Problem 1) He didn't anticipate Guys movements he just became intangible for a moment than positioned his arms to catch his weapon once it was already going through him.

Problem 2) Anything you say with Sasuke in it vs. Itachi is invalid as Itachi held back with everything in that fight. Every genjutsu, ninjutsu, and anything else he did in that fight was held back to be just a step below Sasukes so it would seem Sasuke won the battle. So Sasuke would have his redemption. This is a known fact.

Problem 3) Do you think Itachi would let Tobi suck him up in that hole? Name one high class ninja (A or S rank) that got caught into that? Konan doesn't count because she did it to commit suicide and kill Tobi with her.

Problem 4) Tobis entire fighting is his sharingan, you could say Itachi's is too & etc, etc. But who uses reg ninjutsu & taijutsu more? Tobi runs out of chakra first considering his entire fighting style is kamui this & s/t that. Your "facts from the manga" is how VIZ media interpreted that chapter. different interpretations can be used on that same chapter to say that Tobi is/isn't scared of Itachi.

Problem 4A) Itachi has yata mirror so if tobi decides to use ninjutsu it will have no affect while susano is on.

Problem 5) Itachis genjutsu is legendary, as I already stated he let sasuke break it, or in another term, didn't use it anywhere near full strength. Itachi suspected Tobi wants to use his genjutsu on the moon to complete his plan. So that means his eye is capable of putting all of the world in genjutsu if cast upon the moon.

Problem 6) Itachi has Totsuka Blade, Konan already told that Tobi can only be intangible for 5 minutes maximum. All Itachi has to do is keep up relentless attacks for 5 minutes then Totsuka blade him while hes recharging and is tangible.

Funny Thing - All of these 5 problems is while Itachis in his weakened sick regular state. That has no relevance here but just saying, don't kick him in the dirt as to say Obito will demolish him even if thats your opinion, just show Itachi some respect. If not love then at least respect.

tobi cannot beat itachi, to attack him he has to become tangible, amateretsu is instant and totsuka as you stated seals anything, itachi wiins mid difficulty, he's also smarter and has never been touched in the series without wanting to ....

Damn in the Op's dreams itachi has been shitted on so many times that, zetsu shouldve followed itachi more since zetsu has a infatuation with poo . I take it itachi breaking free from edo tensei, trolling other characters including the one who summoned him, but also going out by his own terms instead of somebody having the feat of sealing itachi has really pissed some people off. If edo madara had gone due to itachi releasing the technique then the shit storm wouldve been over 9000, not that im complaining. Guess sitting at the top comes with its haters so its to be expected.

Damn oro/kabuto fans still cannot grasp that it was destiny for their character to lose to itachi. "The Totsuka Sword is the sword used by the god Susanoo to slay the eight-headed and eight-tailed snake, Yamata no Orochi, just like it was used by Itachi's Susanoo to defeat Orochimaru's Eight Branches Technique".

And izanami does exactly what it says on the tin. Look on the bright side, if kabuto gets out of izanami which i believe he would he would preach the idea's of itachi and might even convert to itachism :izuna:

"Though the snake dreams of soaring through the skies, its forever doomed to crawl on its belly".

Crows/Hawks are immune to this quote ^^^

On a more serious note, you havent really done much in the op. Kamui is a very annoying technique however tobi has still been damaged in majority if not all of the duels he has been in, one way or another but also his opponent has grasped at least the basics of the technique. The basics of kamui is that in order for him to attack he has to solidify and this leaves him open for a brief moment. Minato, team kakashi, torune/fu all grasped the basics of kamui. I believe itachi has demonstrated enough intelligence both in and out of battle to warrant the idea that like these people he would figure out the basics at least. Some would say itachi clearly didnt figure this out (tobi's ability) and thats why his plan failed (sealing amaterasu in sasuke). However itachi isnt a fortune teller. In order to figure out an opponents ability he would either have to fight them or at least the opponent would have to demonstrate their ability to him. Tobi did none, there was never a fight. But also going by tobi's words when he said he hid alot from itachi what he is possible saying is that he had NEVER used kamui when itachi was in close proximity to him, unlike when he has done several times when konan was there and in the end konan nearly killed him so yes what tobi said is very much true about if itachi had info he could achieve on a similar scale what konan did or more.

Anyway if itachi grasps the basics he is favourite in my book. If he goes on to figure out that he has to solidify again to absorb himself, but also he takes longer to absorb others then, he becomes heavy favourite. However as konan said she wasnt sitting idle by tobi all this time, therefore whilst the basics of kamui is within reach the latter which she herself admitted that it was from info prior to the battle that led her to grasp this, itachi might not be able to grasp the latter, but im confident in the former.

Unlike others im more concerned about complete izanagi than kamui, because the basics of kamui is there for itachi to grasp. Whilst complete iznaagi would cause itachi trouble because it would take quiet alot of his chakra to do enough damage to tobi to use izanagai and tobi unforntunately doest sacrifice his kamui eye.

Tobi wasn't or will never be afraid to fight Itachi or any other member of Akatsuki. This has been shown as he was so confident to take on Kabuto even with the presence of the 5 strongest members of Akatsuki in front of him. This of course includes Edo-Itachi, Edo-Nagato, blah.. blah.. & so forth.. The fact that Tobi decided not to pursue on invading Konoha when Itachi was stil alive, doesn't necessarily mean or prove anything that he was intimidated by Itachi's power. There were reasons why he intends not to attack the village because:
1.) It was part of their arrangements, or as long as Itachi performs his tasks as an Akatsuki, their agreements were still honored.
2.) He wanted Itachi to die at Sasuke’s hand so he could manipulate Sasuke on his own way.
3.) Itachi joined Akatsuki in order to keep an eye on the organization. Thus, it could deteriorate most of Tobi's plan because Itachi could provide ample intel's to the rest of the villages about the Akatsuki's doings, goals & purposes, strategy, member's strengths & weaknesses or their jutsu's & capabilities.

Furthermore, Tobi seemed to be one-step ahead against Itachi. He knew the truth about him, the reasons why he wanted to die at Sasuke's hand, his real purpose of joining Akatsuki, & fooled him by letting him believed he was Uchiha Madara. Also, Itachi's plan for Sasuke failed only because of Tobi's intervention.

Hitherto, it was never stated in the manga that Tobi wished to kill or fight Itachi. However, one of Itachi's main goals is to kill Tobi. He even planted amaterasu in to Sasuke's eyes hoping it will eventually kill him.

So my conclusion, pre-rinnegan Tobi > ms Itachi. Itachi even believed that Tobi (a.k.a. Uchiha Madara during that time) was invincible & immortal. If he could actually kill him, he must have accomplished that a long time ago.

OT: People underestimates Tobi’s S/T often times. To every battle we’ve seen him fighting, he never had the intention to kill. His plan is to capture or warp them in to his dimension & perhaps gain control of them through genjutsu as we witnessed what happened to Fu & Torune. Even when he fought Konan, he could not kill him first because he wanted to know Nagato’s whereabouts. Imagine what will happen if he goes for instant kill, he could aim for their heart. Thus, making his S/T a “one-shot jutsu”!

Edo-Itachi will shit on him since he will be granted with unlimited chakra & undying body, but alive-Itachi will be defeated 8 out of 10. But of course since Itachi is so much love in this site, many people will deny this matter over & over again!

I'll also add, there's literally nothing which can defend against Obito's Kamui considering it is simply a variation of the one possessed by Kakashi. You would need to actively do something just to halt the process; for example, use a paperbomb and force Obito to stop the jutsu. While one can avoid the effects of this jutsu (whether it be by their own skill or incompetence by the user, as seen here and here), it has become increasingly evident in this manga that such a jutsu can only be countered by ridiculous speed (Hiraishin), an unpractical amount of prep time & knowledge on Obito's abilities or a combination of S/T ninjutsu & power (since it took the combined efforts of Kakashi, Naruto and Killer B just to inflict damage to Obito) - none of which Itachi possesses. It can be generally accepted that a user who has mastered Kamui therefore possesses a lethal offensive technique - and in Obito's case, the saying 'attack is the best form of defence' holds especially true. I actually feel that it would be near suicidal for Itachi to use Susanoo if we factor in the derogatory effects it has on his body and the simple fact that it is within Obito's powers to move through the earth (with him being a pseudo-Zetsu shinobi) and simply appear from under a Susanoo which is lacking an underneath (unlike, say, Madara's Susanoo which has legs). Kidnapping Itachi then becomes relatively easy, with Obito only sustaining an injury because he touched Torune's toxic skin (note, Torune was unable to actively defend himself from such a swift attack).

well obito can just kill itachi, but i wonder why he don't do that instead he make a pact with a 13 years old boy,
and yet obito know that itachi will only bring trouble for his plan, its better to kill him rather than make a pact with him,
above all else he agreed for itachi conditions that he will not attack konoha..........

we can assume that obito is being caution, but there is also some fear in it.

tobi had said sasuke that if itachi knew his secrets, he would have been dead. he was the 1 who prevented tobi frm coming to konoha nd after his death could only dare to send nagato to konoha. I dont know about rennigan tobi bt former tobi was no chance fr itachi.

LOL so Itachi is a rock in tobi's shoes and wont try to kill him, if he could ofcouse but it happens that the guy coulndt. so he went for the easy part wait 10 years so that itachi will die in someone's else hand. because he cant do it himself. pity obito for a pro!

Minato found out about Tobi's technique
Konan did the same
Kakashi Did the same
Torune and Fu did the same.

And Itachi Cant??, i mean 2 fodders foundout about tobi's space time ninjutsu but itachi cant. oh my god people realy hate itachi in this forum that they are able to ignored what the autor wrote in other to underrate itachi..

There is no way in hell Tobi will fear Itachi/Nagato as the manga clearly stated that he is so confident to take on KabutoMaru even in front of the 5 strongest members of Akatsuki. It was never stated in the manga that Tobi want to kill / fight Itachi, However, it was very obvious that Itachi wished Tobi to die. There was an agreement between the two that's why Tobi left Konoha "off limits' while Itachi supports Akatsuki's goal by requiring his chakra to unseal the tailed beast to their host & contained the same to the gedo-mazou. All Tobi wanted was Itachi to die at the hands of Sasuke so he could easily manipulate him. Tobi uses Akatsuki for his advantage & not the other way around. Tobi will never be outsmarted by Itachi, or he would have done that a long time ago. Last time I checked, it was Tobi who clearly outsmarted Itachi by deceiving him that he was the invincible Madara.

Seems that common sense isn't so common nowadays. *Sigh*
Pre-rinnegan Tobi > Itachi, or were totally reading different naruto manga to begin with!