]]>By: jwbiiihttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2011/10/10/baseball-its-better-than-killing-osama-bin-laden/#comment-208638
Tue, 11 Oct 2011 01:46:54 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=91811#comment-208638“The quarter million civilian casualties in Iraq is [the Internation Red Cross’] conservative estimate, which runs as high as another hundred and fifty thousand on the outside.”

The Lancet‘s estimate was 650,000.

]]>By: tmohrhttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2011/10/10/baseball-its-better-than-killing-osama-bin-laden/#comment-208632
Tue, 11 Oct 2011 00:48:16 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=91811#comment-208632Don’t tell anyone, but I know for a fact that OBL is working at a Starbucks in Battle Creek with Elvis.
]]>By: thefalcon123http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2011/10/10/baseball-its-better-than-killing-osama-bin-laden/#comment-208627
Tue, 11 Oct 2011 00:34:24 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=91811#comment-208627*Makes big over the top eye roll and jerk-off motion with right hand*
]]>By: surly1n1nd1anapol1shttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2011/10/10/baseball-its-better-than-killing-osama-bin-laden/#comment-208625
Tue, 11 Oct 2011 00:21:21 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=91811#comment-208625This is a stupid article.
]]>By: cur68http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2011/10/10/baseball-its-better-than-killing-osama-bin-laden/#comment-208622
Tue, 11 Oct 2011 00:09:58 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=91811#comment-208622Gator: well, ignoring the obvious misspelling, since the ‘u’ key is next to the ‘i’ key, for grins lets presume he meant this:

-only in tree form. There is, naturally, a racist connotation to that term that applies, but I shall choose to take the more benign of the two possible meanings he had, ignoring incompetence with the keyboard. After all, what kind of low life goes around saying stuff like that anyways? Certainly not anyone around here, right?

So, a tree higger . . .from the early,”wood” age, before “stone” was discovered, right? As in the “dawn of civilization”. Which, in way, is an allusion to “Morning Wood”. What he’s got against that is beyond me and, frankly, not something I want to know any more about.

]]>By: Old Gatorhttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2011/10/10/baseball-its-better-than-killing-osama-bin-laden/#comment-208613
Mon, 10 Oct 2011 23:43:41 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=91811#comment-208613Stairs: me either, but I wouldn’t mind seeing Ayman Al Zawahiri’s face up there once we kill that bastard.
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Mon, 10 Oct 2011 23:42:06 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=91811#comment-208612metalhead: We’ve already been through that discussion once here. No point in repeating it unless you have another, more original, angle to be incoherent about.

And what’s a “tree higger”? One of my neighbors is a landscaper and he says he doesn’t have one of those on his truck.

]]>By: metalhead65http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2011/10/10/baseball-its-better-than-killing-osama-bin-laden/#comment-208607
Mon, 10 Oct 2011 23:25:36 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=91811#comment-208607right we killed all those innocent iraqi’s on purpose because we all know bombs can kill only the targets they are aimed at right?not our fault these animals decided to use the freedom we gave them to strap bombs to themselves and go around blowing each other up in the name of alla. you want us to leave so you keep killing each other and our soldiers.yea that will do it. I say since according to all the tree higgers this war was all about oil we withdraw all the troops to guard the oil fields and let them kill each other and then deal with the winner.
]]>By: Old Gatorhttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2011/10/10/baseball-its-better-than-killing-osama-bin-laden/#comment-208605
Mon, 10 Oct 2011 23:02:44 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=91811#comment-208605Hal: I repeat: you had no compunction about talking politics on the Anthem thread, did you? If I’m not mistaken I was arguing that the anthem was musically lame; at no point did I impugn the patriotism of anyone who felt otherwise. You insisted on stressing the patriotic response of servicemen to it. What, precisely, did that have to do with whether or not it was a good song? Do you recall my chiding your interpolations of political matter into that discussion? I don’t. I don’t think it’s unreasonable of me to request the same forbearance on your part.

Moreover, Craig has repeatedly said that anything within reason goes here – and he’s the one who put up the Bin Laden photo and broached this subject of comparing sports with politics or ideology; it’s not up to either one of us to draw lines around topics for discussion. By all means, find my opinions objectionable if you wish. But I insist on the same prerogatives to stretch the discussion that you presume for yourself – whether or not the conclusions we come to are similar or opposed.

My point is that this isn’t the forum for your political opinions. That’s the bottom line. I don;t want to talk about it here. I don’t think anyone here wants to talk it. There are other sites to quench your thirst with this subject.

]]>By: Old Gatorhttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2011/10/10/baseball-its-better-than-killing-osama-bin-laden/#comment-208599
Mon, 10 Oct 2011 22:42:42 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=91811#comment-208599Oh, it’s “your” country, is it? That’s rich – you may disagree with what I say, but you’ll fight to the death for my right to think exactly the way you do? Come on now. Okay, so my opinion of our abysmal collective failure to live up to our own stated ideals is “weak and baseless.” Imay not know “how the world works” – by which I suspect you mean that when someone disagrees with you, you have to beat the shit out of them or they’ll just go on disagreeing with you? I do know that when you commit immense resources to a bogus cause, you let up the pressure those resources could have expended on the real problem. And we both know that plenty of professional military men feel that’s exactly what we did in Iraq and Afghanistan. You’re still just name-calling and not engaging the issues here – the innocent dead, the false premises for a brutal war, the strategic blunders that effectively permitted the Taliban and other radical Islamists to regroup in Afghanistan and destabilize Pakistan, the enrichment of a few members of the Bush crime family’s inner circle, the trillions of dollars desperately needed here for all sorts of things wasted horribly in a war of lies and corruption. You can call me anything you want, but the mess Bush made is still very much with us, even if that clown Obama has only made it worse.
]]>By: halladaysbicepshttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2011/10/10/baseball-its-better-than-killing-osama-bin-laden/#comment-208597
Mon, 10 Oct 2011 22:32:18 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=91811#comment-208597You know what, Old Gator. You can keep talking your bullshit “George W. Bush” is a war criminal nonsense, but, truth be told, you are the type of person that hasn’t a clue of how the real world works. You can keep up you poetry bullshit comments that you do daily but, at the end of the day, your opinion of my country is weak and baseless.
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Mon, 10 Oct 2011 22:27:29 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=91811#comment-208596Hal: I play no such thing. I’m neither a Democrat or a liberal; I have no party affiliation. I am a democratic socialist, but I vote for more conservative solutions when I think they will work better than other available options. I’m not reflexively wedded to any point of view. And you can scroll back for a year or even more before you find anything nice I’ve had to say about Democrats or liberals or Obama in particular.

I’m not the one who posted that photo of Bin Laden above. And if I recall, your politics were solidly on display in the national anthem threads and elsewhere.

And Bush’s lies, strategic and tactical blunders and war criminal status transcend party affiliations and ideologies, as far as I’m concerned.

]]>By: Old Gatorhttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2011/10/10/baseball-its-better-than-killing-osama-bin-laden/#comment-208595
Mon, 10 Oct 2011 22:21:30 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=91811#comment-208595Who said I’m willing to let Obama off the hook? Anyway, you’re welcome to throw Blair in there too. Yes, he was complicit. And yes, he had the same intelligence. Now then, what was the source of that intelligence? We all know it was dummied up. We all know there was plenty of other intelligence that these so called “WMDs” either didn’t exist or had been destroyed by the UN inspectors and repeated bombings following GWI. Bush and his cronies selected the “intelligence” that suited their ideological agenda and most benefited their corporate pimps at Halliburton, Raytheon and the oil companies. And you can pretend all you wish that the numbers aren’t what they are, but we have the blood of hundreds of thousands of innocents on our collective hands that we had absolutely no cogent reason within the scope of our national interests to shed. Yes, war is a nightmare, but it’s especially so when it’s gratuitous, irrelevant, and based on lies and falsifications. You’re already engaging in moral relativism when you use the inherently violent nature of war as somewhere between an excuse and an explanation for innocent casualties.

And again, the real enemy, in Afghanistan and Pakistan, got an unintended breather to regroup and reorganize because of it. Lose/lose all the way around.

Don’t apologize. You play the typical Democrat liberal card on this site. Guess what? Your politics don’t belong on this site. I don’t care about your political views. I come to this site to discuss baseball. If you want to talk politics, go to cnn.com or the equivalent.

]]>By: cur68http://mlb.nbcsports.com/2011/10/10/baseball-its-better-than-killing-osama-bin-laden/#comment-208591
Mon, 10 Oct 2011 22:15:02 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=91811#comment-208591Lil Tony Squirrel used it as a winter home for a while. Once Wilson built his, though, he moved in there. Has to share space with some lemmings but there’s a chalupa to eat whenever he gets hungry.
]]>By: Old Gatorhttp://mlb.nbcsports.com/2011/10/10/baseball-its-better-than-killing-osama-bin-laden/#comment-208589
Mon, 10 Oct 2011 22:14:19 +0000http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=91811#comment-208589Hal, sorry you feel that way. Care to argue the issues and numbers instead of slinging names around?
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