Japan and IC

we’re all agree that Japan becomes a monster in 1941 scenario. right? after J3 it would be cashing about 50 ipc per turn… after J4, about 60 ipc…
it unbalance the game

now there is an idea:

why not making Industrial Complex really expensive?
Let’s say that a new one would cost 40 IPC now.
side note: did you ever think how weird is that building a whole new factory is cheaper than building a single Battleship?

so, now Japan can cash a lot … but can’t produce more than 8 units (unless making big investment on a new IC)

I’m not even sure that would prevent Japan to unbalance the game… but it may help.

Is it really? What makes Japan such a monster that it gets so much production?

I was kinda wondering the same thing. Agreed, I only played the AA50 version, so there were no NO´s, but still I never got much then 31, 32. With the NO, that would have been what? 41, 42. I wouldnt that really define as monster.

/Edit/

Ow, and I never got past turn 4 or so, because by then my Italian fleet was sucker punched, and I gave up….
So, does the Godzilla monster usually appear around turn 5 or ? becaus ethat I can see.

At the end of round 2 in my current game Japan is at 39 with out NOs and 54 with them. We are using NO’s but so far no purchased units have even entered combat yet. This game is against MrMorden and is in the play by forums section for those of you that would care to look.

I took a look at your thread. You were really aggressive! I only saw up to turn 1 though.

How did you take the Dutch East Indies on turn 1? Your notes say TRN…. is that transport? Either way it’s 4 squares away.

Are you leaving your transports unaccompanied too? I’d be scared with the Indian fighter there and the Australian fleet, I hope to hear how it turns out. If the fighter flies over the transport it’s auto-death.

As for Japan / Godzilla. 39 at J2 is quite normal, and you get 15 IPC bonus too since you took either India or Australia (or even both). So Japan does grow back with NO’s. Without NO’s she gets to around 45 - 50 max.

Yes. And it works great. If the US abandons the Pacific, IMO Japan absolutely should start massing bombers. They can get into action quickly, can easily change theatres if need be, and can wreck the econ or join the battles at will.

@Nix:
Norway is very difficult to take back if lost. The Allies could take it and keep it.
But 2 rtrn, and ac g1, then it will be hard for Brits to hold norway.
So you’d hold it (maybe - UK can build more planes in response), but this is becoming a very costly endeavor. That’s 41 IPCs worth of income for the IC and ships.
You’re pitting Germany’s income more directly against the UK’s, a fight which Germany could potentially win, except that Russia is going to have a big edge in the Eastern Front.

I think the only place in '41 for a UK IC is in SA. Maybe one in Egypt if it survives T1, but it’s pretty universal now that everyone takes it T1 for obvious reasons. I’ve heard the case for one in Australia, but I don’t like that one either. It’s too easy for Japan to take out. On J2 it can easily be taken and for sure on J3. So if you’re going to you’d almost have to wait until B4 to have any hope of defending it. I know if I saw a B1 or B2 buy of an IC in Australia I would gun for it hard with Japan.
The Norway IC I just don’t see working because the Brits don’t really need the extra three unit build, plus for the same SBR reason that a France IC for germany isn’t the best idea.
I guess there could be some games where the US having an IC there could help, but on the whole I think that’s just not a great spot for one.

Of course everyone has their opinion on the best course of action to proceed with. The Brazilian IC is good but only works to help Africa which in my opinion should be UK’s job to defend. I have never had too much difficulty in stoping Axis advance into Africa with UK blocking just south of Egypt.
So in my opinion US has to tackle Japan as no one else really can, which means buying a fleet in the Pacific. Also they need to help against Germany which is buying a fleet in the Atlantic slowly increasing to prepare for D-Day on Germany.
These tactics have worked for me in previous games.