[09:21:27] matej_suchanek: finally got the regex working in petscan, would make the street tagging easier.
[09:22:59] sjoerddebruin: actually very good idea
[09:25:21] I'm hoping to get the property in the suggestions. :)
[09:36:57] sjoerddebruin: current threshold is 0.068, now we are on 0.045 probability for streets
[09:37:33] Just need to find the most popular name.... :P
[09:39:02] there are 260,317 streets, so the 0.023 difference equals to 6,000 more streets to have the prop
[09:41:05] Do you know if KrBot code is published anywhere?
[09:41:49] Probably not.
[09:41:56] abian: I have never seen an example...
[09:42:08] That's not precisely good
[09:43:28] matej_suchanek: I think I've found a good one, 461 hits
[09:43:49] 5,500 more to go then :)
[09:44:09] Ivan doesn't answer me, and I can't improve the bot by myself
[09:44:35] Oh wait, most of them are already done. :(
[09:44:45] abian: is there an urgent problem to block the bot?
[09:47:15] No, it's not a problem, the bot isn't editing "wrongly" but in an "insufficient way"
[09:47:36] * abian looks for the link...
[09:47:42] sjoerddebruin: "Frans Hals"
[09:48:04] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User_talk:Ivan_A._Krestinin#Constraint:Contemporary
[09:48:33] matej_suchanek: \o/
[09:48:55] running that one now
[09:49:15] "Prinses Beatrix", "Prins Hendrik"...
[09:49:43] Yeah, trying to find some in that area.
[09:49:50] Royalty and painters. :P
[09:51:15] Meanwhile the query that you gave me some time ago doesn't work anymore. :O
[09:51:32] yes, atm looking into it
[09:51:41] Ah, now it loads.
[09:51:48] Anne Frank!
[09:52:56] Just 36, but it's something. :P
[09:53:04] Constraints are originally created by the community or by the developing team?
[09:53:16] It was community, right?
[09:53:21] yes
[09:53:28] if you mean the reports
[09:53:40] There is a framework created by students hired by WMDE now, but it's not working very well.
[09:53:51] The idea of deciding which constraints should we use
[09:54:03] that was Ivan's idea, I think
[09:54:03] Yes, I read it
[09:54:27] but at that time, I wasn't very active in community
[09:54:50] There was consensus on creating a {{constraint:contemporary}} but, without the intervention of Ivan, there's nothing the community can do
[09:54:50] 10[1] 04https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:constraint:contemporary
[09:55:17] {{Constraint:Contemporary}}
[09:55:17] 10[2] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:Constraint:Contemporary
[09:55:42] sjoerddebruin: load this http://tinyurl.com/zygnvce
[09:55:53] I'm keeping it cached for you
[09:56:07] Woah, how?
[09:56:22] each query is cached for some time after execution
[09:56:46] And I wrote the assertions for this constraint...
[09:56:52] https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat/Archive/2016/07#Let.27s_make_a_Constraint:Contemporary
[09:57:16] abian: why isn't the complex constraints system sufficient?
[09:59:22] I see the complex constraints system is proper for constraints that are for a specific property, not for many of them
[10:00:36] And it's not good to have two separate systems of constraint
[10:00:41] *constraints
[10:00:59] 196 for Prins Hendrik. :)
[10:01:06] sjoerddebruin: 260,307 streets, 12,368 have a "named after", so 5,300 more to go
[10:01:18] you want I will ask my bot
[10:01:26] *if you want
[10:01:44] I need to have something to do, thanks for your help though. :)
[10:02:26] That would be great, matej_suchanek :)
[10:03:25] Anyway, we need a community-owned system to review the constraints, the code cannot be unknown and limited to an editor...
[10:05:06] I'll suggest that Ivan publish its code
[10:06:20] If not, it would be best to start developing an alternative (free) system for standard constraints...
[10:07:55] abian: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase_Quality_Extensions
[10:08:23] Yes, I read it (thanks anyway) :)
[10:08:41] But I know this process is going too slowly
[10:09:30] maybe the system could be based on SPARQL queries which are anyway generated on property talk pages
[10:09:58] then a bot could read them daily and update them on report pages
[10:10:10] That would be a nice solution
[10:10:37] Although I suspect that some queries wouldn't be completed
[10:10:48] it wasn't my idea to generate them but I expanded and improved many of them
[10:11:22] however, reading input is problem which prevents us from covering all cases
[10:11:55] the biggest advantage is that they are based on live data, not dumps
[10:12:51] but reading input can be fixed by Lua
[10:13:25] This concerns me though. https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations/Mandatory_constraints/Violations
[10:13:35] Some "encapsulated" complex constraints could play as standard constraints
[10:13:42] and even the whole generating can be migrated from wikitext parser function to Lua
[10:14:02] which I would dare taking as task if there was interest
[10:14:26] What to do with this confusing item: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q2456997
[10:14:31] Is it a human or a group?
[10:15:34] group of one person... does that make sense?
[10:15:42] strange, indeed
[10:17:30] Another message for Ivan... https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AIvan_A._Krestinin&type=revision&diff=360363803&oldid=359895905
[10:20:30] Going for group
[10:21:45] Okay
[10:21:58] interconnecting with "said to be same as" would make it more clear, I believe
[10:23:01] However, I'm not sure if both are exactly "the same"
[10:23:31] it is not same, it is "said to be smae"
[10:23:43] if they were same, they would be merged
[10:24:46] They're not semantically the same, I mean, they're instances of two completely different concepts
[10:25:22] And the only member of this band could be changed, but the band could remain (weird thing, anyway)
[10:25:34] good point
[10:28:24] This case is similar to King África's one
[10:28:26] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_África
[10:28:44] In 1997 Laacré quit the project citing artistic and economic differences.[2] He was replaced by the Argentine of British descent Alan Duffy. From then on the band switched headquarters to Spain, where they achieved greater success.
[10:28:44] 10[2] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:Constraint:Contemporary
[10:31:22] ... which is wrong in Wikidata, I see xD
[10:31:24] [[Q1389229]]
[10:31:24] 10[3] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1389229
[10:41:17] Concerning constraint, a step that should be done in any case is adding SPARQL queries to properties which haven't them yet
[10:42:14] {{Constraint:Type}} is an example
[10:42:14] 10[4] 10https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Template:Constraint:Type
[10:42:42] *Concerning constraints
[10:42:51] abian: I made an overview recently, let me find the link...
[10:43:48] https://quarry.wmflabs.org/query/11252
[10:47:48] Ouch, *queries to constraints, not "queries to properties"
[10:48:19] ah
[10:48:27] Apologies :S
[10:48:51] c:type has it if only one class is provided
[10:50:42] Wikidata down?
[10:50:46] This *{{Constraint:Type|classes=Q729|relation=instance}} doesn't show a link to the query, maybe it's a problem related to the template
[10:50:50] hm, there it is
[10:51:24] abia: there is classes but only one class
[10:51:34] if there was class=, it would work
[10:51:57] Ah, well seen, thanks :)
[10:52:20] (I thought templates were more clever) :P
[10:52:45] as I said, more complex input requires Lua
[11:01:11] I think I broke a tool. https://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools-ec/?user=Sjoerddebruin&project=wikidata
[11:34:20] Hello. I have a simple question for the API: How can I get a property of a page? For example: I have a wikidata-id of a person and wnat his/her birthdate.
[11:53:35] DaBPunkt: https://www.wikidata.org/w/api.php?action=help&modules=wbgetclaims
[11:55:32] sjoerddebruin: thanks, exactly what I was looking for :-)
[11:55:46] np :3
[11:57:44] matej_suchanek: hm, most people are like 50 streets now. It's something, I guess.
[12:00:43] let's see...
[12:10:18] There are some high ones left, but there are multiple people with those names.
[12:10:56] yeah, should have expected
[12:11:45] The other ones were more clearly, but that is becoming too risky.
[13:12:30] * aude waves :)
[13:16:29] :D
[13:16:40] * Harmonia_Amanda waves back at aude
[13:17:36] * matej_suchanek wonders why aude repeatedly waves
[13:58:32] aude \o/
[13:59:03] I'll be back to working regularly on Monday! But you're not there :(
[13:59:09] :/
[13:59:27] internship is over?
[13:59:32] :O
[14:11:51] aude: Right now is the last hour! I now know some JS and nodejs! :D
[14:12:29] :)
[15:40:13] matej_suchanek: okay, how many to go now? :P
[15:41:12] just a minute
[15:42:59] sadly, there was a small error in my previous numbers which results in need of more than 260 streets
[15:43:05] 1,500 atm
[15:43:34] 1500 to go?
[15:43:39] yes
[15:43:52] You're not saying that I've tagged 4k streets?
[15:44:13] who else today?
[15:45:24] Don't see anyone mass-adding them on https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Special:RecentChangesLinked&hidemyself=1&target=Property%3AP138&showlinkedto=1
[15:48:02] I did 5000 edits in the latest 24hr so...
[15:48:25] see this: http://tinyurl.com/h4xzsoo
[15:48:34] so you don't have to ask me
[15:50:25] Well I'm just going to work as hard as I can and ask for a update when Marius is back.
[15:53:37] Is it btw just me or is the map on WDQS slightly off?
[15:54:11] brb
[18:36:19] aude: Thanks for https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T131036. When is the next wikidata build? Is it weekly?
[18:37:01] Ah, I see it's daily. It missed it by a few hours. Okay, no problem.
[18:42:49] Krinkle: if it can wait until tomorrow...
[18:43:02] Sure thing :)
[18:43:07] ok
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[20:09:17] Hm, so long ago I forgot how to op myself. :P
[20:09:49] matej_suchanek: can you help me with another task?
[20:10:27] I can try
[20:11:05] I need a list of popular first name suggestions, so I can lower the amount of people on https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/User:Sjoerddebruin/Voornaam
[20:11:41] hm
[20:12:07] of course, I have already tried doing this but always failed
[20:12:18] Oh, too bad.
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[20:13:11] this looks easier as we are working on a smaller set though
[20:13:27] yeah, I mostly focusing on my own wiki :P
[20:15:50] so there 4,351 people like this and took 2 seconds, so hopefully...
[20:16:16] sjoerddebruin: why do you want such thing?
[20:16:38] Platonides: to give everyone a first name? :)
[20:16:39] oh, and thanks for getting op
[20:16:48] I don't have @ here
[20:16:52] Yeah, if he comes back it's time to ban.
[20:16:56] he will
[20:17:01] with a different ip
[20:17:08] Hmm
[20:17:15] he has been annoying us for weeks
[20:17:23] First time in this channel though.
[20:17:30] really?
[20:17:42] yep, interesting
[20:17:51] he entered here before
[20:18:01] but did not message anyone
[20:18:02] ah
[20:18:13] !admin
[20:18:18] * WikidataFacts applauds sjoerddebruin
[20:18:37] Oh right, "doei" is my default kick reason. :')
[20:18:50] you ... are ... beast
[20:19:10] you can find him some hours ago with ips 177.54.150.173 and 46.101.246.66
[20:19:30] :)
[20:19:58] Ugh
[20:20:18] sjoerddebruin: Jan, Ko, Ruud, Nel, Co and ... DJ :)
[20:20:33] DJ are probably pseudonyms
[20:20:46] should work on them too
[20:22:58] But that requires some more work. https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q2624916&type=revision&diff=360525731&oldid=347929644
[20:23:21] make a more spefic regex
[20:23:26] name + space
[20:23:45] oh, nevermind
[20:28:35] anyway, this is what I have so far: http://tinyurl.com/hnrdtpd
[20:31:38] what happens if change it to Czech nationals on cswiki...
[20:32:56] Hm, belgium is already somewhat more useful
[20:33:33] depends on what language code you choose...
[20:37:01] those pretty petscan 502's :3
[22:42:54] Wow, an IRC flood attack. I haven't seen that in a long time.
[23:05:46] darn, i missed it :-(
[23:32:46] gn8
[23:58:18] harej: they've been hitting a lot of #wikimedia-* channels over the last couple of days. Also using /topic to spam. Really annoying