Share this post

Link to post

Share on other sites

[quote name='spudtrooper' timestamp='1354050306' post='595352898']
Chief Marketing and Financial Officer for Windows opened up the Credit Suisse Annual Tech conference with the news that Windows 8 has sold 40 million licenses so far.

Can we stop the foolish debate of it being a flop now? thanks! would appreciate getting back to talking about fun stuff!
[/quote]

you know how things go here.... have to back all claims up with a source, where is it? not doubting you, I just want to read the source

edit: beat ya to it [url="http://www.zdnet.com/microsoft-weve-sold-40-million-windows-8-licenses-to-date-7000007990/"]http://www.zdnet.com...ate-7000007990/[/url]

btw Microsoft said that it sold 20 million copies of Vista in its first month when that happened...

MS sold "over 40 million windows 7 licenses" in the first month

Share this post

Link to post

Share on other sites

[quote name='neufuse' timestamp='1354050543' post='595352910']
you know how things go here.... have to back all claims up with a source, where is it? not doubting you, I just want to read the source
[/quote]

It's all over the place now.. @windows just tweeted it, so have Paul, Mary J Foley and a few others..

Share this post

Link to post

Share on other sites

I found this and not that it's anything new to me but makes pretty interesting reading: Found this at [url="http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft-windows/how-microsoft-fudges-windows-8-sales-figures-207497"]InfoWorld[/url].

[quote]
I've seen a lot of "analyses" in the technical press about lousy early sales of Windows 8, however none to date are willing to put a number on Windows 8 sales or make a prediction for this quarter. The simple fact is that nobody knows anything about Windows 8 sales. Wait till January, the sages advise, and then we'll know more.

Many of these folks seem to forget that we've seen these machinations before, and we're likely to know less about Windows 8 sales in January than we do now. How is that possible? Microsoft stacks the deck. Legally, and in full conformance with every accounting principle, generally accepted or not, Microsoft has polished its methods for obfuscating initial sales of new Windows versions. We saw the techniques used after the releases of Vista and Windows 7 -- and we'll see them again for Windows 8.

Here's how it works. Again, this is all perfectly legal.

There are two numbers of interest. (1) In January, Microsoft will report its quarterly revenue and expenses for the Windows (and formerly Windows Live) Division. (2) Microsoft may or may not, at its discretion, report the number of Windows 8 and/or Windows RT licenses sold. It's highly unlikely Microsoft will report the number of copies of Windows 8/Windows RT activated -- the number that would most accurately tell us how well Win8 is doing in the marketplace.

First, the quarterly revenue. Microsoft has already "deferred" $540 million in Windows revenue from the second (calendar) quarter of this year, and $1.36 billion from the third quarter. The revenue deferral is attributed to Microsoft's offer to give $14.99 Win8 Pro upgrades to everyone who bought a Windows 7 PC after June 2. In effect, Microsoft is saying that a substantial (but unknown) percentage of the people who bought Windows 7 after June 2 will exercise the option to upgrade to Windows 8; thus, Microsoft won't book the revenue from the Windows 7 sale until they upgrade. Microsoft has promised it will book the revenue when consumers actually upgrade, or on Feb. 28, 2013, whichever comes first.

In other words, the Windows division has $2 billion in revenue coming onto the books no matter how well or poorly Windows 8 sells, and the revenue is stretched over the fourth quarter of 2012 and the first quarter of 2013. For the sake of comparison, in the quarter ending September 2012, the Windows Division booked $3.2 billion in revenue.

See what I mean by fudges?

Second, the number of Windows 8 licenses "sold" has always been a squishy number. One of the best examples of how the number can squish came last month, when Steve Ballmer was quoted as saying that "more than 4 million upgrade copies" of Windows 8 had been sold in the first weekend of general availability, along with "tens of millions" of copies of Windows 8 going out to OEMs.

The first quote begs for definitions of the terms "sold" and "upgrade." I think it's fair to assume that 4 million people didn't pull out their credit cards and pay for a $40 online upgrade over the weekend, but I may be overly cynical. I will note in passing that anyone who bought a Windows 7 PC over the weekend, in some respects "paid" for an upgrade (see the "revenue deferral" argument), and companies that renewed their volume licenses over the weekend had Windows 8 slipped in for the ride.

As for shipping tens of millions of copies of anything to OEMs -- I can just see the truckloads of bits going to the loading docks at Lenovo, HP, and Dell -- we've seen those kinds of magic numbers before, when Ballmer was trying to convince the world that Microsoft had sold millions of copies of Windows Phone 7. In fact, Microsoft had "sold" the copies of Windows to manufacturers and phone companies, which, in turn, had a difficult time "selling" the products to breathing, paying customers.

This brings me to activation numbers. Microsoft knows darn well how many copies of Windows 8/Windows RT it's sold. Why won't the company tell us the number of copies that have been activated? If there's a rousing story to be told about Windows 8/Windows RT uptake, it's right there in the activation numbers. Anything else is just blowing smoke.

Will we know more about Windows 8 sales in January? I doubt it. Given Microsoft's well-orchestrated fudginess, I think we'll actually know less.

Share this post

Link to post

Share on other sites

[quote name='neufuse' timestamp='1354051107' post='595352930']
from what it sounds, windows 8 isn't selling as fast as windows 7, and windows 7 still has the sales records for 1st month sales
[/quote]

There are still some pretty bad supply chain problems. Next gen atom CPU's are still very limited supply and its darn near impossible to find windows pro tablets in stock.. The number is highly impressive considering the competition, lack of hardware at retail and the fact a lot of users are upgrading their existing systems.

Share this post

Link to post

Share on other sites

[quote name='Farstrider' timestamp='1354051092' post='595352928']
I found this and not that it's anything new to me but makes pretty interesting reading: Found this at [url="http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft-windows/how-microsoft-fudges-windows-8-sales-figures-207497"]InfoWorld[/url].
[/quote]

Yeah, I imagine releasing at this time of year it's easy to say you "sold" X number to OEMs.

Still, it's clearly not going to be the utter failure everyone here wants it to be.

Share this post

Link to post

Share on other sites

Pretty decent numbers. The ultimate test will be whether the numbers stay consistent moving forward.
Also, do these numbers include all the Surface tablets? The numbers are a little less impressive if it does (PC-wise).

Share this post

Link to post

Share on other sites

It's a failure just as Vista was.... go back and read the first threads when Vista came out... deja vu...
It took MS almost a year to actually acknowledge that Vista flopped.
I am already seeing Windows 9 or whatever is called coming up next year to correct the mistake that this OS is...

1 person likes this

Share this post

Link to post

Share on other sites

[quote name='Astra.Xtreme' timestamp='1354051783' post='595352970']
Pretty decent numbers. The ultimate test will be whether the numbers stay consistent moving forward.
Also, do these numbers include all the Surface tablets? The numbers are a little less impressive if it does (PC-wise).
[/quote]

MS is only building 1.5 to 3 million surfaces for 2012.. Surface is just part of the strategy of windows 8, not the strategy..

[quote name='Euphoria' timestamp='1354051843' post='595352974']
It's a failure just as Vista was.... go back and read the first threads when Vista came out... deja vu...
It took MS almost a year to actually acknowledge that Vista flopped.
I am already seeing Windows 9 or whatever is called coming up next year to correct the mistake that this OS is...
[/quote]

delusional much?

Share this post

Link to post

Share on other sites

So if it sold about the same number of licenses as Windows 7 did in the first month, how come the [url="http://www.neowin.net/news/did-hurricane-sandy-affect-windows-8-adoption"]adoption rate is so much lower[/url]?

Share this post

Link to post

Share on other sites

[quote name='Euphoria' timestamp='1354051843' post='595352974']
It's a failure just as Vista was.... go back and read the first threads when Vista came out... deja vu...
It took MS almost a year to actually acknowledge that Vista flopped.
I am already seeing Windows 9 or whatever is called coming up next year to correct the mistake that this OS is...
[/quote]

Having used both (and been here for both), no. Vista was an ME level disaster. Windows 8... is more like Windows 98.

[quote]"Without acknowledging directly the critics -- including yours truly -- who've found Windows 8 less than intuitive, Reller said that users are finding Windows 8 "easy to understand and embrace." She said users are exploring Windows 8 and enjoying learning it, from Day 1.
Based on customer feedback and information gathered by Microsoft's customer support organization, "We do know that customers do, indeed, 'get' the product," she said.
She said that over 90 percent of those purchasing Windows 8 and Windows RT devices are using the Charms on Day one. (Charms are the icons that provide search, sharing and other basic functions that can be found by swiping in from the right on a Windows 8/Windows RT device.) She said they are using search between two to three times a day every time they are on their devices. And she played up Microsoft's data that found more than half of the users are using the Windows Store on their first day."[/quote]

Oh, snap...

3 people like this

Share this post

Link to post

Share on other sites

[quote name='CSharp.' timestamp='1354051965' post='595352988']
So if it sold about the same number of licenses as Windows 7 did in the first month, how come the [url="http://www.neowin.net/news/did-hurricane-sandy-affect-windows-8-adoption"]adoption rate is so much lower[/url]?
[/quote]

That's just one analytics company tracking web traffic from websites that use its service, not representative of the internet at large and like iOS windows 8 users may be using apps instead of web - offsetting some of their tracking since I don't think they do app analytics.

Share this post

Link to post

Share on other sites

[quote name='threetonesun' timestamp='1354051471' post='595352952']
Yeah, I imagine releasing at this time of year it's easy to say you "sold" X number to OEMs.

[b]Still, it's clearly not going to be the utter failure everyone here wants it to be.[/b]
[/quote]

I totally agree, that said, 80% of OS users in the world use Windows and because of that fact it IS going to sell or work itself into the "system"! At the end of the day when adoption of the new OS becomes de facto it will be a "success"!

Share this post

Link to post

Share on other sites

[quote name='spudtrooper' timestamp='1354052029' post='595352996']
Windows 7 took 3 months to sell 60 million licenses. Windows 8 took 1 month to sell 40 Million.. i'm not sure HOW YOU can spin that as bad or "vista" like.
[/quote]

Selling licenses does not make 8 a better OS imo

People who have used 7 since RTM are more likely to have faith in the next OS considering how well 7 did

People who have used 7 since RTM are more likely to have faith in the next OS considering how well 7 did
[/quote]

To re-quote zdnet's Mary J Foley quote of MS.

[i]"[/i]
Without acknowledging directly the critics -- including yours truly -- who've found Windows 8 less than intuitive, Reller said that users are finding Windows 8 "easy to understand and embrace." She said users are exploring Windows 8 and enjoying learning it, from Day 1.
Based on customer feedback and information gathered by Microsoft's customer support organization, "We do know that customers do, indeed, 'get' the product," she said.
She said that over 90 percent of those purchasing Windows 8 and Windows RT devices are using the Charms on Day one. (Charms are the icons that provide search, sharing and other basic functions that can be found by swiping in from the right on a Windows 8/Windows RT device.) She said they are using search between two to three times a day every time they are on their devices. And she played up Microsoft's data that found more than half of the users are using the Windows Store on their first day.
"