Father of Stan wrote:Guys like Andre Dawson and Kirby Puckett weren't that big on plate discipline. Didn't hurt them any

As a Bill James follower, you know that below avg discipline hurt their value SOME. Dawson despite his tremendous tools never became a Willie Mays. Point being that whatever talent level a guy has, he ends up an echelon or two below where he "could have been" if his plate discipline had been better. So when we assess a guy like Avisail Garcia, whose talent is certainly not Puckett or Dawson like, where does he end up ? One other thing. Puckett and Dawson knew how to recognize pitches. Puckett and Dawson struck out 2-3 times as often as they walked in both the majors and minors, and Garcia is striking out 4-5 times as much as he walks. You can draw your own conclusions from that.

Nor score from third base on fly balls. DeAza today may have gotten thrown out, but what the heck was he thinking???

Couldn't believe that... and Rios just did the same thing recently against KC. The Rios play was more debatable because of the depth of the fly ball, but today was pathetic. Even the girls on my co-ed softball team know to get back to the bag on that play

Hawk said this may be the worst base running team in ALL of his years in baseball!!!

Ease up Frank ...how are you supposed to be good at something when you never get the experience to do it??? look at their OBP and it explains their gaffs....its like throwing you into a court without experience and expecting to be a Clarence Darrow ...ha!

Cream1953 wrote:Hawk said this may be the worst base running team in ALL of his years in baseball!!!

********************************************************************************Of course none of this is the result of bad coaching.

I think most of the blame can be put on the players, but these kinds of mistakes shouldn't be happening this often with veteran ballplayers. To me that just says the players' heads aren't in the game and they threw in the towel a while ago.... which does warrant some blame being put on the coaching staff imo. I wish there would be some team fines for complete dumbshit plays too, though I'm sure it wouldn't be enough money for it to matter.

Why does there have to be blame at all? It's just a bad year and stuff like this happens from time to time. The team will get over it and so will we. I'm optmistic for next year! Mark my word, these players will do all they can to atone for how things have gone this year. I can't wait!!!

Chi-kid wrote:Hawk said this may be the worst base running team in ALL of his years in baseball!!!

Ease up Frank ...how are you supposed to be good at something when you never get the experience to do it??? look at their OBP and it explains their gaffs....its like throwing you into a court without experience and expecting to be a Clarence Darrow ...ha!

You make a good point. I do remember my first jury trial -about year after passed the bar. Fortunately the lawyer who had been handling the file didn't explain who the defense lawyer was. if I had known, may not have showed up.

Lost the case (trial was almost a week) as expected. But, the other lawyer called and tried to hire me.(PS- should have taken the offer as it would have helped me get some experience on the defense side.) BUT, I had just tried a case against him and he now expected me to CARRY his bag- the ego of youth is soon replaced with a touch of reality!!

Do you think that it may have something to do with the tiny fact that 28 out of the other 29 teams in the major leagues are better than the White Sox? If they would only expand the "wild card" to a couple dozen more teams, the Sox just might have a chance to make the playoffs this season. Life in the White Sox Nation is just so unfair!

truefan wrote:Why does there have to be blame at all? It's just a bad year and stuff like this happens from time to time. The team will get over it and so will we. I'm optmistic for next year! Mark my word, these players will do all they can to atone for how things have gone this year. I can't wait!!!

The KARK blames Reinsdorf for allowing people to sabotage Kenny Willimas, the greatest Chicago baseball GM of my life

Do you think that it may have something to do with the tiny fact that 28 out of the other 29 teams in the major leagues are better than the White Sox? If they would only expand the "wild card" to a couple dozen more teams, the Sox just might have a chance to make the playoffs this season. Life in the White Sox Nation is just so unfair!

Just think, then the Sox could have been buyers and Win Now would still be going strong