Amendment 2: - Right to Bear Arms DAMN RIGHT! Get over it!

Yeah, well ... I agree and that sounds good on paper, but it is this states rights conservative mentality that has put us in this mess with a SCOTUS
that gave us "corporations as people". Corporations have purchased, and now run, this Nation. The only thing that will save it is to dissolve the
current govt and start over.

Just askin because every day on this forum I hear Americans huff puff hot air and smoke blowing declaring their rights, but I have yet to see them
exercised.

It's not about fixing our government violently, or going on the offensive. It's about being able to protect our family and friends from invaders,
whomever they may be. If it happened to be our government, and they decided they were going to round people up for demanding change, they would have
to think twice. We're not just sitting ducks at the mercy of whomever is willing to bring violence to us. As for the ridiculous comment about
Harriers and such, those items are owned, and operated...by us. The citizens of the USA. Show me ONE fat cat banker, or barrel @ssed politician that
will get in the cockpit and operate those things. There aren't any. Even if they would, technology as we've seen over the past several decades has a
hard time against guerilla fighters who have nothing to lose. Not to mention, our soldiers are made up of American citizens, and very often come from
well armed families, who exercise their 2nd amendment rights. When people are finally tired of our government, they will bring them down. I doubt any
shots would be fired. It's all a delicate distraction game in which the corporations are shoveling as much money as they can into their pockets while
buying politicians. As long as they keep people at each others throats with the fake right vs. left paradigm, they'll keep getting away with it. Once
it all comes down, they'll run overseas with their tails between their legs to live on their fat bank accounts.

Nothing is clear once lawyers get involved. That is what keeps the BIG BUCKS rolling in. Try reading the ARMED CITIZEN column in THE AMERICAN
RIFLEMAN magazine. There are many hundreds and probably even thousands of accounts where armed citizens have saved themselves, their families, and
their neighbors from armed attackers.

As a Britt I do not own a gun, I could probably get a shotgun but I don’t need one for anything. I personally despise guns, they are implements of
death and murder the bottom line is that a gun is primarily designed to kill. You can argue all you want about the need for personal protection and so
on but the fact still remains that guns are for killing people. The taking of another’s life is the most deplorable malevolent act another human can
inflict upon another. For that reason I am strongly opposed to any state that allows its populace to buy a gun with what appears to be very little
restriction.

You Americans can keep your guns, I don’t ever want to see the day when I need to buy a gun because I know I am the only one on my street who
doesn’t own one. It is a sad state of affairs in a developed state such as America that the citizens feel so insecure they must all have guns. Truth
be told, I personally feel the Constitution of the United States of America is pointless, I would tear it up we Britt’s get along find without a
official constitution.

I was merely stating my belief. It's known that English , Scots and Irish people are good fighters. We don't really need guns or weapons (despite
the odd wanker in London who takes a knife to a fight).

As I say, we're man enough to face the issues with our brains and fists.

But we understand that other folk can't do this, so need to have the ability to pump lead into people.

Wow, and you Brits always rail about American generalizations. I have no problem with a good "punch up", and would much prefer that to a gunfight.
You seem to be confusing a disagreement, with a home invasion in which the other party isn't interested in settling anything, just taking what you
have, and possibly raping your wife in front of you, and slaughtering your children. And when they come in, they come in with guns. You would be
helpless, no matter how good a fighter you are. And criminals get guns illegally. On your little island, it's pretty easy to keep stuff out. Try
sharing a huge border with Mexico, if guns were outlawed here, it would just give the murderous cartels another cash cow.

Well i'd like to have 2nd amendment in my country. Its just that i don't feel safe anymore walking down the street in the late evening or at
night.
I could never kill a person and if i would i don't know if i could handle it morally.
I'd like to have a gun just to shoot a few rounds into the air and if that doesn't work, shoot at targets legs.
Perfect scenario would be to get rid of all the guns in the world, but thats unreasonable as there would be no means of protection from any threat.
But think about what would happen if all people had guns. You can't pull a gun on someone because you know you're at risk of being shot yourself.

I don't insult the Brits, I would be insulting my family. I'm the first born American in my family (they came here from Canada, English-Canadian, not
French). My great grandmother was from Wales. This country was founded by British colonists, as we all know. We speak English (real English, not
English-English, we actually utiliZe the letter Z

). But, as far as guns go, the genie is way out of the bottle here, and not to sound xenophobic in
regards to Mexico, but I live down here near the border, I see first hand what the smugglers do. They would LOVE for guns to be banned here, so they
can corner the black market. MORE criminals would get guns, and would know that law abiding citizens wouldn't have any. I don't think that would work
out too well.

And yes, we are brothers, and all families have disagreements about some choices one another make.

It seems the only people, to whom it is unclear, is the Priest Class Lawyer Sect. That
thread is by my good friend Jean Paul Zodeaux, who I'm quite certain will be returning here, to address your post, as well.

... but SCOTUS hasn't been able to agree on this Amendment for over 200 years. And the history of this Amendment (it's legislative history)
is such that it is MUCH more about the U.S. having the ability to call up an already armed National Guard than it does to carry a concealed weapon at
a Church or College or at a bar. If it was so damned clear, then all those SCOTUS decisions would be 9-0. They weren't. Most were 53 or
6-3/

Not at all surprising, when you consider SCOTUS Justices are appointed based upon the history of their political ideologies. This is easily
ascertained by your quotation of their varied vote counts, on the same issue. If that is not enough, consider the equally varied counts in other
hot-button, political football issues, like abortion...

But when you talk about something as utterly complex as the Constitution and act like it is "clear", you fly in the face of reason,
intelligence and over 200 years of case law in the United States.

Reason and intelligence, not being characteristics exclusive to lawyers and judges, are precisely why anyone can read and comprehend our Constitution.
It seems it is only clouded to you because you erroneously perceive the document as granting rights to the people, rather than
restricting the government's intrusion on our pre-existing rights.

It really isn't "brain surgery" and that comparison might actually be insulting to some brain surgeons...

Drinking is not the venue of the wise or prudent..in anything. Do not misunderstand me here. I am not against drink. I just don't think that the
ability to drink is the mark of how to define oneself..male or female.

And I definitely don't want to be around anyone drinking and handling a firearm...reloading. or machinery. That is just a firm practice/principle of
mine. I don't like to be around such wildlife. Yank or Brit....or anyone else.

While I am a great admirer of British History and in particular the English Civil War....I have no desire to follow British principals or thinking.
Everywhere there are Brits or English Law is not England.
The British are currently making a train wreck out of a whole generation of peoples..and particularly in their inner cities. Someone is trying to
bring this very template here to the USA for us to follow.

You Brits may be proud to be British...and I am ok with that...but I have no desire to be a Brit or follow the British system or a Sovereign...Nor the
Crown.

Some of us Yanks have survived Public School education and thinking and know the difference in our system as intended and the UK's Crown law.

AS to using fists...fisticuffs..I have no desire to engage in such as well...nor gun fights. I have better things to do with my time and monies.

However..I do not intend to wait or believe my government is here to protect me and mine. For I know that they are for the purpose of protecting
government first and foremost.

When those three fellows robbed me on my street at gunpoint ..it was ironic that the thing about which they were most afraid was me having a gun of
my own while riding my scooter home.

People with bad intentions fear an armed public..including a government...and rightly so!! Predators do not like an armed informed prey. The first
thing to be armed is ones mind and spirit...the rest will follow naturally in a free people.

A free and civil people do not want to bother anyone nor be bothered...and are prepared for either eventuality...by the very virtue of their Freedom.
To not prepare is to disarm yourself and your family...in ignorance... and lose your freedom.

Here our Freedom is not granted by government as a privilege..it is our right and so stated in our founding documents. Freedom is not a thing granted
by a sovereign...including the right to keep and bear our property/arms.

The ability to own property ..by right and not privilege is what sets us apart from most of the world. In this ..property ownership..we are not like
the world and have no interest in being like the rest of the world.
An our arms are property..private property.
The ability to own private property is what sets us apart from the rest of the world.

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