Wednesday, December 05, 2018

There are a number of signs that will alert us if Jordanetics begins to transform into a full-blown religious cult. For example, if Peterson’s followers start to establish international connections around the world and start founding institutions for the study and propagation of the 12-Rule Path, that will be a reliable indicator that what one fan has told us “feels like a movement” has evolved into an advanced form of Jordanetics that represents a realization of the post-Christian vision originally proposed by Yeats.
- Jordanetics, Chapter 19: The Cult of Jordanetics

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"... Peterson is recovering and restoring a peak period in North American thought, when Canada was renowned for pioneering, speculative thinkers like the media analyst Marshall McLuhan and the myth critic Northrop Frye. I have yet to see a single profile of Peterson, even from sympathetic journalists, that accurately portrays the vast scope, tenor, and importance of his work."

"... Peterson is recovering and restoring a peak period in North American thought, when Canada was renowned for pioneering, speculative thinkers like the media analyst Marshall McLuhan and the myth critic Northrop Frye. I have yet to see a single profile of Peterson, even from sympathetic journalists, that accurately portrays the vast scope, tenor, and importance of his work."She may well have the intellectual honesty to change her mind after reading Jordanetics.

>This is a group inspired by the message and example of Jordan B Peterson. It has two main functions:1) A group of like-minded individuals, serious about sorting ourselves out. We share our goals and progress with each other, hold each other accountable, and provide support and encouragement on our journeys to better ourselves.2) a forum to learn and discuss various aspects of Prof Peterson's message, including but not limited to these fields: Jungian thought in all its aspects, Masculinity/Femininity, Spirituality, Literature, Philosophy, Psychology, Mythology, Science, Metaphysics, etc.

I clicked the link and found that KC is a hot-bed of lobsterism. Looking at the profiles of the 200 plus local members was interesting. A lot of women members, and looking at the other groups they belong to, a heavy bent towards self-help, pseudo-intellectualism, and a smattering of anime-rights activists.

Jordan Peterson is not right wing, he may be crazy, he may have been close to Soros and intended to be controlled op. All that is true.

But since America and Western Europe are already under the sway of the insane progressive cult which hates white people, hates men and hates Christians and since Jordan's fans tend to hate progressives and not hate Christians or White men why would the spread of Jordanetic's be a negative for us even if Jordan Peterson himself is as bad as you say he is.

You need a religion to fight a religion and I don't see any short term prospect for a revival of Christianity in the West. Sometimes the enemy of your enemy is your friend. Let Jordanetics spread everywhere... you go on jihad with the prophet you have.

@11 the religion of the globalists is the thing that let the Muslims in to begin with. People turn to nationalism and Christianity in times of trouble, Jordanetics is there to stop them from doing that. It's like replacing The Great Wall of China with a sign that says "come on in" and wondering why people are coming in.

On another note, I have to say even though Peterson's main shtick is the dominance hiearchy, Vox's explanation of the sociosexual hierachy strikes me as infinitely more robust, if a little harder for people to wrap their heads around (alot of guys don't like the prospect of being Omega or Gamma and there is a disproportionate amount online).

America and Western Europe are already under the sway of the insane progressive cult which hates white people, hates men and hates Christians and since Jordan's fans tend to hate progressives and not hate Christians or White men why would the spread of Jordanetic's be a negative for us even if Jordan Peterson himself is as bad as you say he is.

Because Peterson isn't converting progressives, you moron. He's converting the dissident centrists/right-wingers into cucks. This is exactly the kind of attitude that got us stuck with fake right neocons for half a century. In the end, they couldn't even conserve the women's toilet. IDW is just neoneocons.

you go on jihad with the prophet you have.

What jihad? The jihad of cucking when it really counts ala Kavanaugh episode? It's an insult to radical Islamists that you would consider yourself on their level.

I can't believe some on the right STILL think they'll win if they just move leftwards a little. "At least the buckos don't hate us!" It's fucking hopeless with this kind of thinking. It doesn't address any of the problems that need addressing.

But since America and Western Europe are already under the sway of the insane progressive cult which hates white people, hates men and hates Christians and since Jordan's fans tend to hate progressives and not hate Christians or White men why would the spread of Jordanetic's be a negative for us even if Jordan Peterson himself is as bad as you say he is.

Because, in addition to being evil, Jordanetics is a cult of surrender. There is literally nothing positive in it.

I don't see any short term prospect for a revival of Christianity in the West.

What you see is obviously irrelevant since you don't see why Jordanetics is bad. As for a revival of Christianity, all we need are 12.

After reading her comments it seems to me that she is obviously quite bright, but is one of those people whose head is so far up in the clouds that she is completely unaware that at times she is spouting pure nonsense.

Some people are naturally very religious and some are not. Nationalism tends to pick up Southern evangelical Christians (in the United States, I won't speak for Europe) and cynical irreligious type people who don't buy into the progressive bullshit (as their cult still has a stranglehold on the media so it requires a certain amount of cynicism to make the judgement that the media is a controlled and hostile entity). The problem is now that progressivism tends to pick up most of the naturally religious people in both the United States and Western Europe. If you are the type of person who needs to believe in something in the US right now, its most likely you'll end up believing in 57 genders.

Jordanetics is going more for the naturally religious people market then the cynics market, so it will tend to pick up more people who would have ended up as progressives then people who would have ended up as nationalists.

The only other religion that has any life to it right now is Islam (and maybe not for long as MBS has stopped funding it) and while Islam will certainly remove feminism and progressivism (though not globalism because Islam is globalist as hell) I think we all agree it has massive other problems.

So when I clicked the link I saw Meetups for all these large and mid-sized towns. But I saw one for my tiny rural outpost too! I couldn’t believe it. It had zero members though. I clicked on it and a message popped up saying that it needed an “organizer” and would I like to be it.

Now is Meetup.com smart enough to auto generate something like that, or does someone have to create a Meetup account I do that? What I’m wondering is whether someone created 100s of JBP Meetups across the globe and simply left them open for people in a particular location to find, because that would most certainly be damning.

Just found this on lobsters here: https://www.thealternativedaily.com/should-you-eat-bottom-feeders/

"Bottom-feeders. You’ve been taught to revile the name. Its mention has you curling your lip and culturing a look of disgust. These two words have been ingrained within your conscience to conjure up unpalatable visions. Things crawling among the filth of the lake or ocean floor, soaking up the collective waste of the water bodies they eek their pitiful existence in."

No, we don't need a mass revival for 'religious folk'- I wouldn't trust one any more than Jordanetics.Paul told Timothy that the Holy Spirit does not give us a spirit of fear, but power, love and a sound mind.Revivals are nothing more than mass hysteria - just like the current emotional lovefests now on display every Sunday.

When I had just heard about JBP and didn't yet realise he was bad news, I joined a Facebook group about him (that must be more two years ago), to see what people had to say. This was my first clue to realise that he was more harmful than helpful (to say the least) and was a net negative to the intellectual discourse.

"Now is Meetup.com smart enough to auto generate something like that, or does someone have to create a Meetup account I do that?"

Meetup, just like Google Maps, uses the same technique that runs http://iplocation.net. That's how they get a good-enough grid for your location, AND for all the other meetups, with which they can determine the distance between you and them.

If your location comes up with the name of a locality that's not on the meetup list, then Meetup auto-generates a meetup for you, and asks you to be it's leader.

Check out this hilarious gamma dating advice from JBP. Including praise for a movie called "Krum"(spelling?) where a loser who does bad with women ends up becoming a winner that he is absolutely stoked about.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeDdMGzp3sw

These poor man-children are so close to waking up. This is prime recruiting ground for the alt-right. God bless JBP for bringing together such poor truth-seeking souls together, so that they may be converted to the light and logos. Thank you Juden Peterstein.

It's not exactly a laughing matter. L. Ron Hubbard's philosophy is very similar, and just as laughable. In over 60s years they have transformed into an organization which not only did the largest domestic spying operation on the Federal government...but also managed to BULLY THE IRS INTO SUBMISSION. They may not be mainstream...but they are not going anywhere or giving up their money any time soon.

Jordanetics could turn into such a thing if we let this rot fester and grow.

@56. lowercaseb "It's not exactly a laughing matter."No, it is not at all, you are right. It is really disturbing to witness the brain fog of his followers and what they say to defend him. Thank you so much, Vox, for alerting so many people to all this. Wait for Oprah to have him on and some "A-list" celebrity to come out as his fan.

Named after the literary group attended by J.R.R. Tolkien and C.S. Lewis, and inspired by the growing popularity of Jordan B. Peterson, Indy Inklings is an outlet for people looking to connect with like-minded (or not), curious, and independent thinkers searching for meaning in the modern world."

Garuna wrote:I can't believe some on the right STILL think they'll win if they just move leftwards a little. "At least the buckos don't hate us!" It's fucking hopeless with this kind of thinking. It doesn't address any of the problems that need addressing.I wonder just how good a showing someone running on a platform of ending government corruption, not "drain the swamp"-style but "hanged by the neck until dead"-style would actually do, politically speaking.

Gregory the Great wrote:"Topics will range from the death of God to free speech in western culture, from modern feminism to ancient archetypes, from evolutionary psychology to post-modernism, and from lobsters to gulags."

After which they will all be cooked and served in a delicious apple cider sauce to an evolutionarily superior species that has no fear of food intolerances.So... Lobsters?

McJibblits wrote:These poor man-children are so close to waking up. This is prime recruiting ground for the alt-right. God bless JBP for bringing together such poor truth-seeking souls together, so that they may be converted to the light and logos. Thank you Juden Peterstein.Two things strike me as being eminently beneficial now: (1) prayer, because without God we're doomed; and (2) perhaps infiltrating such meet-up groups.

I also tend to think that the reason many of these males are so beaten-down, downtrodden, is precisely because our feminized society devalues him, his work, and his very maleness.

It seems to me that the DNA compliment required to produce a population of humans capable of reconstituting the USA would be next to impossible to recover (not to mention no one knows what it is anyway).

If it is possible to recreate the conditions necessary for self selected individuals to remain while those unsuitable are encouraged to migrate (aka: paid to leave) then I believe we could approximate, maybe even improve, upon the foundation.

While the majority of people would be European - I'm guessing not nearly all. Though Northern selected populations may overall be most complementary to the behaviour needed to found this new version of the nation. Delayed gratification, work ethic, creativity, etc....

A good way to begin would be to encourage sterilization of low IQ and low conscientiousness individuals. Who would be given the opportunity to accept paid migration. It's not ideal, but is more humane than war.

#9 "two meetup groups within 30 miles of each other. And I'm in the middle of them. I could have a Lobster Cultist handling my food."

OR you could join first one, then the other, and bring your Jordanetics book with you to meetings? Ask the lobsters to explain the things in the book hat are 'confusing' you? Express your concerns over Jordie's globalism and his inability to define truth? Or Jesus?!

oooh, I dunno... When I make beef stock, I use a wee bit of APPLE CIDER VINEGAR! It helps pull nutrients out of the bones. Or is that part of the initiation? Drink vinegar in broth and see how long you go without sleep? I guess the longest awake gets the presidency? Huh. Biologically mediated hierarchy?

@70 "Eleven. One of those was a traitor.12. You're forgetting Matthias, who replaced Judas."

You're forgetting: WITHOUT Judas, there was no crucifixion, no resurrection, and no Christianity. It may not have been a good or rewarding part to play in God's plan -- but let's maybe not forget that Judas was NECESSARY!

Maybe the model Peterson will use is AA. 12 Steps. 12 Rules. AA is supposed to have only a 10% success rate so that is a low enough bar for Peterson to aim for. Instead of turning their lives over to a higher power they can turn them over to the UN.