So the lower front bulkhead and nose, removal of the beam wing, changes to the front and rear wing have been binned.

why some people are scathing of the FW/RW dimensions??? it's not affecting the racing in anyway, no matter what is the dimension, a good chasis will always win. more important is DRS,KERS power limits and Engine regs.

why some people are scathing of the FW/RW dimensions??? it's not affecting the racing in anyway, no matter what is the dimension, a good chasis will always win. more important is DRS,KERS power limits and Engine regs.

My point is the significance of the change for teams. The originally proposed changes were massive and you could argue it was another chance to reset the field (like in 2009). But it now looks like the 2013 aero will carry over into 2014, with changes to accommodate and take advantage of the new 2014 gearbox-ERS-engine package.

Good news for all teams or more beneficial to some teams? At least there will be less of a strain on aero development resources next year.

The originally proposed changes were massive and you could argue it was another chance to reset the field (like in 2009).

Yeah, this is what I was hoping for. Significant changes in aerodynamics could shake up the field and give a chance to Caterham and Marussia to start without such a massive experience handicap like they have under current rules, which would most likely result them being closer to older teams than they are now.

Yeah, frigging wide FW causing the majority of first corner incidents, making wheel-to-to wheel racing a rare specialty. And yes, it is just abnormally ugly.

Have a feeling that this here is the point and the date when Mecedes' chances for 2014 are starting to fade considerably. It sounds like Mateschitz has two teams, on the grid, and now they have the FIA in the pocket too. Brace yourselves for another three Vettel WDC's, the next few year's will be a walk in the park for Red Bull. They mihght even reward Mar Webber with an in-between WDC just for the fun of it. 630 mill, and more. Impressive, really.

Well it's clear the FIA has no clue anymore...as if they ever really did. [...]

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I simply can't follow it, they seem to be completely out of their mind...

Typical FIA, waste years drawing up new rules that were well thought out and then scrap them at the last minute and introduce some half assed rules that will just make the cars look and handle worse.

Technical Regulation changes are drafted by the Technical Working Group, which consists of representatives of each team and the FIA Technical Delegate and then decided on by the F1 Commission, consisting of representatives from the teams, FIA, FOM, race organisers, sponsors and i think the tyre manufacturer as well. FIA's WMSC can only formally sign off what TWG and F1 Commission have decided on.

I imagine the teams have argued, behind the scenes, that 2014 will see a lot of money spent out on the development of new engines and they are bound to produce some headaches that making changes across all aspects isn't a good idea.

Who cares? If anything, it's a lost opportunity for RBR as Newey seems to do pretty well with big aero changes. If there had been no DDD on the Brawn in 2009, we might be looking at Vettel 4xWDC by now because the RB that year was easily the best non-DDD car.

There have also been several tweaks to the 2014 regulations. The requirement for cars to be driven exclusively under electric power in the pit lane has been postponed until 2017 and changes made to bodywork design, originally aimed at reducing downforce and drag for increased efficiency, have reverted to the 2012 specification. The minimum weight limit has also been raised to compensate for the additional weight of the new 2014 power units.

It is not quite clear what those changes are exactly. In any case it will lessen the impact of the 2014 rules on the teams and cars, making it more difficult that the current order gets shaken up. Arguably some designers would have loved a bigger white sheet to explore new ideas.

Who cares? If anything, it's a lost opportunity for RBR as Newey seems to do pretty well with big aero changes. If there had been no DDD on the Brawn in 2009, we might be looking at Vettel 4xWDC by now because the RB that year was easily the best non-DDD car.

I am not sure about that. Ferrari and the other guys would see through this and never endorse anything that could harm them, while Seb has clear and trouble free sailing. I wish those guys would explain each time they change specs, why it is necessary, especially when there are restrictions on testing, software programs need to be changed, etc., thus all king of a new cost is added.

Who cares? If anything, it's a lost opportunity for RBR as Newey seems to do pretty well with big aero changes. If there had been no DDD on the Brawn in 2009, we might be looking at Vettel 4xWDC by now because the RB that year was easily the best non-DDD car.

Pretty sure that with three doubles on the trot and, as you say, potential for it to have been four, RBR have no interest in big aero changes.

why some people are scathing of the FW/RW dimensions??? it's not affecting the racing in anyway, no matter what is the dimension, a good chasis will always win. more important is DRS,KERS power limits and Engine regs.

Yes it is. Removing these silly wide front wings would reduce the occurrence of punctures resulting from marginal racing incidents, e.g Perez and Ricciardo in India.

Yes it is. Removing these silly wide front wings would reduce the occurrence of punctures resulting from marginal racing incidents, e.g Perez and Ricciardo in India.

The wings also just happen to make the cars look like silly toys.

the reason we had all these punctures can be attributed 80% to only a handful of drivers (grosjean/perez/maldonado i.e the GP2 bunch) and in some cases experienced drivers taking silly risks (i.e alonso-raikkonen suzuka)

the reason RW was reduced was to reduce the wake and front wing increased to give more DF to overtake ... or atleast that was the intention. i admit the endplates are causing more punctures than previous years, but it's not only due to the FW alone, brundle seemed to comment that the tire-walls have become thinner compared to early 2000's and causing more punctures with mere touch. i really have to problem if they shorten/widen FW or do without it cause when watching a race, i tend to concentrate on race, not the FW

all those people (mostly Red fans) jumping in the idea that a major aero tweak will somehow reduce the dominance of RB must be trippin on something powerfull. it'll affect all cars, not only RB, and if anyone can claw back aero loss, it's RB and macca for that matter. also people are touting new Engine as some sort of 'Deux Ex Machina', well this day and age of CAD design, with a given dimenison and material and boost pressure, all engines will come out more or less the same (like 2006, renault was a bit low on juice, but that was mitigated ). if any manufacturer gains a potential 2-3% advantage over power , FIA will step in to equalize it any way. so it'll come down to reliability and Fuel economy, again 2 areas renault engines are slightly ahead of the others , not to mention drivability and tunability. renault powerplant has the most flexible torque map of the 4 engines available. people are counting out renault from this engine war, but it'd be unwise to do so. and with cosworth gone,majority of the field will run renault plant, STR is in talks with renault to supply Renault engine from 2014 according to some reports. marrusia is also considering switching to renault. so they'll have plenty of data to work with, more so than ferrari.

All of this idiocy with the aero changes being dumped, and yet the need to run these joke engines has me more excited than ever for the 2014 edition of Le Mans. The ACO has it right as far as I am concerned.

If the front wings will stay at the current width through 2014 and beyond, that is a real shame - they cause a huge number of unnecessary slashed tyres and damage in normal racing incidents.

Don't really care about bulkhead changes and the like. Don't really buy into the argument that slower laptimes are a "bad" thing either - I watch F1 for RACING not the clock. As long as the cars are faster than the next category down, that is all that matters.

No doubt the reason for dropping the aero changes is that the powertrain changes are a big enough challenge for the teams on their own (yada yada yada).

Don't really care about bulkhead changes and the like. Don't really buy into the argument that slower laptimes are a "bad" thing either - I watch F1 for RACING not the clock. As long as the cars are faster than the next category down, that is all that matters.

Perhaps, but weaker engines with the same grip level may be noticeable, and less spectacular.