He did cut taxes dramatically; His tax cut was the biggest in history until Ronald Reagan, cutting the top marginal rate from 92% (which it had been since the 1930s) to 70% in 1963. LBJ continued this tax cut into his own administration; Both of them saw that tax cuts were a good idea. LBJ's only problem was, like Bush Jr, he didn't see any problem with spending and cutting taxes at the same time.

He planned to get the US out of Vietnam by the end of 1965. Though he had increased the number of military advisors dramatically, he had no active ground fighting troops in Vientam. He saw Vietnam as a losing prospect as early as 1963, and drafted an executive order in October 1963 which ordered that 1,000 military advisors be withdrawn from Vietnam by Christmas 1963, and for the US to begin grooming the Vietnamese to handle the war themselves, with an eventual full withdrawl of US personnel except for training personnel by the end of 1965. Two days after JFK's murder, LBJ made his own executive order which invalidated JFK's plans. LBJ believed that Vietnam was a good cause, a right cause, one worth pursuing.

After some foibles with the Bay of Pigs and the Vienna Summit, JFK did, with Bobby's help, pretty much spare the world from nuclear destruction in the Cuban Missile crisis in 1962 and handled that deftly; He didn't "blink" when the USSR stared him down in that conflict.

Kennedy called his domestic program the "New Frontier". It ambitiously promised federal funding for education, medical care for the elderly, economic aid to rural regions, and government intervention to halt the recession. Kennedy also promised an end to racial discrimination. In his 1963 State of the Union, he proposed substantial tax reform and reduction, in income tax rates, from the current range of 20-90% to a range of 14-65%; he proposed a reduction in the corporate tax rates from 52 to 47%. Congress did not act until 1964, after his death. To the Economics Club of N.Y., he spoke in 1963 of "...the paradoxical truth that tax rates are too high and revenues too low; and the soundest way to raise revenue in the long term is to lower rates now."[136] Few of Kennedy's major programs passed Congress during his lifetime, although, under his successor Johnson, Congress did vote them through in 1964–65.[137]

Kennedy ended a period of tight fiscal policies, loosening monetary policy to keep interest rates down and encourage growth of the economy.[138] Kennedy presided over the first government budget to top the $100 billion mark, in 1962, and his first budget in 1961 led to the country's first non-war, non-recession deficit.[139] The economy, which had been through two recessions in three years and was in one when Kennedy took office, accelerated notably during his brief presidency. Despite low inflation and interest rates, GDP had grown by an average of only 2.2% during the Eisenhower presidency (scarcely more than population growth at the time), and had declined by 1% during Eisenhower's last twelve months in office.[140] Stagnation had taken a toll on the nation's labor market, as well: unemployment had risen steadily from under 3% in 1953 to 7%, by early 1961.[141]

The economy turned around and prospered during the Kennedy administration. GDP expanded by an average of 5.5% from early 1961 to late 1963,[140] while inflation remained steady at around 1% and unemployment eased;[141][142] industrial production rose by 15% and motor vehicle sales leapt by 40%.[143] This rate of growth in GDP and industry continued until around 1966, and has yet to be repeated for such a sustained period of time.[140] There were nevertheless some painful moments, as in the stock market, which had steadily declined since Kennedy's election, and which dropped a full 10% shortly after the administration's action on the steel industry in 1962.[144]

The major steel companies announced in April 1962 a 3.5% price increase (the first in 3 years) within a day of each other. This came just days after the companies had reached a settlement with the steelworkers' union, providing in chief a wage increase of 2.5%.

The administration was furious, with Kennedy saying, "Why did they do this? Do they think they can get away with this? God, I hate the bastards." The president took personal charge of a campaign against the industry, assigning to each cabinet member a statement regarding the effects of the price increase on their area. Robert Kennedy, echoing his brother's own sentiments, "We're going for broke...their expense accounts, where they've been and what they've been doing...the FBI is to interview them all...we can't lose this."[145] Robert took the position that the steel executives had illegally colluded in doing this. There was genuine concern about the inflationary effects of the price increase.

The administration's actions influenced US Steel not to institute the price increase.[146] The Wall Street Journal wrote that the administration had acted "by naked power, by threats, by agents of the state security police."[147][page needed] Yale law professor Charles Reich wrote in The New Republic his opinion that the administration had violated civil liberties by calling a grand jury to indict US Steel for collusion so quickly.[147][page needed] A New York Times editorial praised Kennedy's actions and said that the steel industry's price increase "imperils the economic welfare of the country by inviting a tidal wave of inflation."[148] Nevertheless, the administration's Bureau of Budget reported the price increase would have resulted in a net gain for GDP as well as a net budget surplus.[149]

As a senator, Kennedy had been opposed to the manned space program. The Apollo program was conceived early in 1960, during the Eisenhower administration, as a follow-up to America's Mercury program.[183]

While NASA went ahead with planning for Apollo, funding for the program was far from certain given Eisenhower's ambivalent attitude to manned spaceflight.[184] Early in his presidency, Kennedy was considering plans to dismantle the Apollo program due to its cost[185], but postponed any decision out of deference to his vice president whom he had appointed chairman of the U.S. Space Council[186] and who strongly supported NASA due to its Texas location.[187] In his January 1961 State of the Union address, Kennedy had suggested international cooperation in space. Sergei Khrushchev said Kennedy approached his father, Nikita, twice about a "joint venture" in space exploration—in June 1961 and autumn 1963. On the first occasion, the Soviet Union was ahead of America in many aspects of space technology.

On April 12, 1961, Soviet cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin became the first person to fly in space, reinforcing American fears about being left behind in a technological competition with the Soviet Union.[188] Kennedy was eager for the U.S. to take the lead in the Space Race for strategic reasons. Kennedy first announced the goal for landing a man on the Moon in the speech to a Joint Session of Congress on May 25, 1961, stating:

"First, I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the Moon and returning him safely to the earth. No single space project in this period will be more impressive to mankind, or more important for the long-range exploration of space; and none will be so difficult or expensive to accomplish."[189]
Kennedy later made a speech at Rice University on September 12, 1962, in which he said:
"No nation which expects to be the leader of other nations can expect to stay behind in this race for space."
and

"We choose to go to the Moon in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard."[190]

On November 21, 1962, in a Cabinet Room meeting with NASA Administrator James E. Webb and other officials, Kennedy said:

"This is important for political reasons, international political reasons... Because otherwise we shouldn't be spending this kind of money, because I'm not that interested in space. I think it's good, I think we ought to know about it, we're ready to spend reasonable amounts of money. But...we’ve spent fantastic expenditures, we’ve wrecked our budget on all these other domestic programs, and the only justification for it, in my opinion, to do it in the pell-mell fashion is because we hope to beat them [the Soviets] and demonstrate that starting behind, as we did by a couple of years, by God, we passed them. I think it would be a helluva thing for us."[191]

On the second approach to Khrushchev, the Ukrainian was persuaded that cost-sharing was beneficial and that American space technology was forging ahead. The U.S. had launched a geosynchronous satellite in July 1962 and Kennedy had asked Congress to approve more than $25 billion for the Apollo program.
In September 1963, during a speech before the United Nations, Kennedy again proposed a joint lunar program to the Soviet Union. The proposal was not enthusiastically received by Khrushchev. Kennedy's death only a little more than a month later essentially made the proposal irrelevant.[192] On July 20, 1969, almost six years after his death, Apollo's goal was realized when Americans landed on the Moon.

Bailey

03-15-2011, 05:32 PM

He was a drug addicted womanizing douche.

CaughtintheMiddle1990

03-15-2011, 05:42 PM

He was a drug addicted womanizing douche.

Womanizer, yes. Addict, no.
He did take medications for his myriad of health problems (Osteoporosis and other back problems, Colitis, Anxiety, Sleep Disorders, Addison's Disease, Allergies, Urinary Tract Infections) but he never seemed to be addicted to any of them, and all of the medications he took were ones he needed. His back problem was so intense that he wouldn't even be able to bend over and tie his shoes without pain killer.

Even the guy who did research, uncovered and brought to light his medical history and his list of medications compared it to both private and public video and audio footage of him during his Presidency, and found he was never mentally impaired while President.

Wait people on your side say that Rush is a hopeless addict just because he used painkillers for his back.

On the flip side of this coin you have a man (JFK) who basically used pharmacy worth of drugs everyday and you're telling me he wasn't addicted? ya right.

Adam Wood

03-15-2011, 05:55 PM

Ironically, Kennedy would be considered a right-wing kook by the very same Left who so idolize him today if only they looked at what he actually stood for: lower taxes, he hated Communism, and he believed in actually treating people equally, rather than affirmative action bullshit.

The article paints a bit of a rosy picture of Kennedy on his actual handling of defense issues, but he did in fact manage to get us through them without getting the country nuked, so I suppose he deserves some credit there.

JFK could never be President today with his blatant skirt-chasing. The press kept that quiet back then, but today it wouldn't slide. Then again, I think Kennedy would probably be a Republican if he were still alive today, and Republicans don't get the same pass in the press that Democrats do. Either way, his womanizing ways would have him in bigtime trouble today that he managed to get away with in the '60s.

AFAIC, Kennedy was not a terrible President, but I think that he's highly over-rated. He gets a lot of "martyr praise" that he really just doesn't deserve all that much, if you ask me.

CaughtintheMiddle1990

03-15-2011, 06:00 PM

Wait people on your side say that Rush is a hopeless addict just because he used painkillers for his back.

On the flip side of this coin you have a man (JFK) who basically used pharmacy worth of drugs everyday and you're telling me he wasn't addicted? ya right.

I don't hate Rush or think his opinions invalid for his painkiller usage.
Also, in the same way, I've read a hell of a lot about JFK's medical issues and his medications. He used a pharmacy worth of medications because he had a long list of ailments. There is no evidence from his medical and X-Ray records that he ever abused any of the medications he had.

Like I said, listen to his phone conversations for one. He's in full command mentally.

malloc

03-15-2011, 06:09 PM

Also, in the same way, I've read a hell of a lot about JFK's medical issues and his medications. He used a pharmacy worth of medications because he had a long list of ailments. There is no evidence from his medical and X-Ray records that he ever abused any of the medications he had.

That's the difference. You can say he never abused the drugs, but you can't say he wasn't addicted, especially if he was using opioid pain killers. You can't use those things for any length of time and not be addicted, the human body just doesn't work that way. If someone were to take away the medications, within 12 to 24 hours he would have become very, very sick, and that would have most definitely affected his mental command.

This is just an FYI, and isn't meant to convey the message that I have a negative opinion of Kennedy. I really don't know that much about him, as he was before my time, and I have trouble forming an opinion because I'm paranoid that most material on him is hugely sensationalized. If I were to base my opinion purely on results and not on character, I'd say he was pretty effective at what he wanted to accomplish.

Edited to add an interesting thought: Had things gone south with the USSR, and conventional or low yield nuclear warfare ensued, Kennedy may have a some opiate supply issues, to say the least, and if he couldn't get them, that could have severely impaired his leadership skills in a time of crisis. If full scale nuclear warfare had commenced, it would have been moot point.

CaughtintheMiddle1990

03-15-2011, 06:22 PM

That's the difference. You can say he never abused the drugs, but you can't say he wasn't addicted, especially if he was using opioid pain killers. You can't use those things for any length of time and not be addicted, the human body just doesn't work that way. If someone were to take away the medications, within 12 to 24 hours he would have become very, very sick, and that would have most definitely affected his mental command.

This is just an FYI, and isn't meant to convey the message that I have a negative opinion of Kennedy. I really don't know that much about him, as he was before my time, and I have trouble forming an opinion because I'm paranoid that most material on him is hugely sensationalized. If were to base my opinion purely on results and not on character, I'd say he was pretty effective at what he wanted to accomplish.

Some of the same medications he was on were very common painkillers for the time, all things considered.
Yes, the BODY can become tolerant of the substance, but that doesn't mean it hooks the mind, or makes the person unstable, unreliable, and in his case, there was no danger of any physical withdrawal effects given that he was the President and could get whatever medicines he needed. Prescription medications can mentally impair some, especially those who simply use the drugs to get ''high''--I've known a few--but for those who take it as prescribed and don't abuse it, they can be pretty much normal.

I myself have had experience with being prescribed a very powerful medication (for legitimate reasons), which I was on for a number of months. From what I've read, the dosage level of the medication could/would leave most tired, groggy, or "stoned." It would knock others right out, and at the very least, impair their motor skills and reaction times. It was a Class IV drug, so it had great potential for addiction, and in my family, there's history of addiction.I was on this medication and yet my mind was clear, I was never the least bit tired, groggy; my voice never slurred, my mind never felt numbed as it might do for some. I never stumbled or walked funny, my reflexes were as keen as normal. I was in full command of my faculties and if you talked me, I spoke the same and thought the same as I did before I was on the medication. I also NEVER took more than what I was directed to on the bottle--Never once. It simply eased great back pain and took the edge off in other areas.

What's important is if a leader is in command mentally, if his judgement isn't impaired by his health or substances used. Kennedy was on a number of prescription medications, but I find no evidence through reading that it impaired his judgement. Compare this to FDR. FDR was not on any medications except a heart medication (to combat his heart failure), but his very poor health and declining energy alone resulted in poor decisions made at Yalta.

malloc

03-15-2011, 06:38 PM

Some of the same medications he was on were very common painkillers for the time, all things considered.
Yes, the BODY can become tolerant of the substance, but that doesn't mean it hooks the mind, or makes the person unstable, unreliable, and in his case, there was no danger of any physical withdrawal effects given that he was the President and could get whatever medicines he needed. Prescription medications can mentally impair some, especially those who simply use the drugs to get ''high''--I've known a few--but for those who take it as prescribed and don't abuse it, they can be pretty much normal.

I myself have had experience with being prescribed a very powerful medication (for legitimate reasons), which I was on for a number of months. From what I've read, the dosage level of the medication could/would leave most tired, groggy, or "stoned." It would knock others right out, and at the very least, impair their motor skills and reaction. It was a Class IV drug, so it had great potential for addiction, and in my family, there's history of addiction.I was on this medication and yet my mind was clear, I was never the least bit tired, groggy; my voice never slurred, my mind never felt numbed as it might do for some. I was in full command of my faculties and if you talked me, I spoke the same and thought the same as I did before I was on the medication. It simply eased great back pain and took the edge off in other areas.

What's important is if a leader is in command mentally, if his judgement isn't impaired by his health or substances used. Kennedy was on a number of prescription medications, but I find no evidence through reading that it impaired his judgement. Compare this to FDR. FDR was not on any medications except a heart medication (to combat his heart failure), but his very poor health alone and declining energy resulted in poor decisions made at Yalta.

That's basically what I just said. He may not have been impaired, nor abusing the drugs. However, depending on the nature of the specific drug, which I'm suspecting was opioid based, withdrawal symptoms are going to manifest in every single person who takes them for any substantial period of time and them abruptly discontinues their use. By "every single person", I mean there is very nearly a 100% chance of a user experiencing withdrawal when stopping the medication. This is why doctors always ween the patients off the drugs slowly, and sometimes provide "helper" medications to lessen withdrawal symptoms. So, I'm not arguing that the drugs affected Kennedy's performance. I'm arguing that the absence of the drugs would have most definitely had an effect on his judgment to some degree, if that situation had happened.

Novaheart

03-15-2011, 06:48 PM

My grandparents and parents were all about Kennedy. I've never really understood it. I understand wanting to see someone closer to your own age be president, and being born in the same century is nice too.

CueSi

03-15-2011, 06:53 PM

Kennedy was a skirt chasing proto-neo-con. . . There could be worse things to be, I guess. He's a touch overrated, but when he died, some of the best genes of that family were lost. Not sure if thats an insult or a compliment.

~QC

Starbuck

03-15-2011, 07:43 PM

I'm of the opinion that Kennedy's poor handling of Khrushchev caused the Cuban Missile crisis. If Nixon had been elected Khrushchev would have assumed that Eisenhower's policies were intact and not attempted such a build up.

He is over rated, but wasn't all that bad. His image, although manufactured and manicured, was good for America the same way that Clinton's image damaged America.

7th grade boys during the Kennedy years learned that their leader was handsome, Catholic, had two children and a pretty wife, and played touch football in the yard.

7th grade boys during the Clinton years learned that oral sex is OK because it wasn't really sex.

Articulate_Ape

03-15-2011, 09:17 PM

JFK was a better de facto "Republican" than many Republicans of today, IMO.

Rockntractor

03-15-2011, 10:08 PM

They all suck anymore, he sucked less than some.

CaughtintheMiddle1990

03-15-2011, 10:33 PM

They all suck anymore, he sucked less than some.

What do you mean they all suck?
You don't think Ike was a good President? Reagan?
Bush I (except for his domestic foibles)?
Ford (despite his clumbsiness)?

Rockntractor

03-15-2011, 10:51 PM

What do you mean they all suck?
You don't think Ike was a good President? Reagan?
Bush I (except for his domestic foibles)?
Ford (despite his clumbsiness)?

Reagan has been the exception since JFK.

Rockntractor

03-15-2011, 10:55 PM

The thing that get's me CITM is that we seem to get one good president every fifty years, I don't know how we have survived as long as we have. You won't live your life out under this government.

Adam Wood

03-15-2011, 11:38 PM

What do you mean they all suck?
You don't think Ike was a good President? Reagan?
Bush I (except for his domestic foibles)?
Ford (despite his clumbsiness)?Depending upon your particular yardstick, any could measure up somewhere around the "suck" mark.

Ike presided over an awful recession (not much unlike the present recession). He focused very much on foreign policy, which he was very good at, but domestically things sucked.

There are plenty who will say that Reagan's policies didn't do what they should have done in the time that they needed them to. I happen to disagree, but there are plenty out there who have that opinion. I personally will freely admit that Reagan should have spent a whole lot more time wearing his steel-toed boots kicking Democrat ass while he was in office. Particularly after he was shot, he could have done damn near anything to advance the conservative cause and he would have had tremendous popular support, but he let that opportunity slide by and in no time Tip O'Neil was defining him instead of Reagan defining Tip O'Neil & co. So he blew the opportunity, unfortunately. But I still consider him the best President of my lifetime.

41 managed to blow it on about a dozen different levels. He succeeded at being the guy after Reagan, and not much else.

Ford ... well, Ford got a raw deal to begin with, so he can't get much of any blame as far as policy goes, since it was all literally dumped in his lap. BUT, he missed a lot of opportunities to go ahead and lead and shape policy. He instead chose to basically be a placeholder. I think anyone who chooses to be a placeholder while sitting in the Oval Office will almost certainly earn the rank of "suck" as a President.

Rockntractor

03-15-2011, 11:46 PM

When CITM's generation and the generation younger than he, realize what we have left for them it might be better for us not be around.

Articulate_Ape

03-15-2011, 11:51 PM

When CITM's generation and the generation younger than he, realize what we have left for them it might be better for us not be around.

We won't be.

Rockntractor

03-16-2011, 12:01 AM

We won't be.

Euthanasia will be another word for justice.

Articulate_Ape

03-16-2011, 12:03 AM

Euthanasia will be another word for justice.

Soylent Green.

Odysseus

03-16-2011, 12:43 AM

Soylent Green.

Bon appetit.

JFK is the best of the Democratic presidents in my lifetime, and better than some Republicans in terms of fiscal policies and understanding the nature of American exceptionalism. I rank him above Ford and Nixon (Nixon's wage and price controls were disastrous economic policy) and behind Reagan and both Bushes. As Cue Si pointed out, he had the best genes in the family, and after Bobby died, there wasn't one of them who was worth the money it took to keep them in office and their scandals off the front pages.

Articulate_Ape

03-16-2011, 12:50 AM

Bon appetit.

JFK is the best of the Democratic presidents in my lifetime, and better than some Republicans in terms of fiscal policies and understanding the nature of American exceptionalism. I rank him above Ford and Nixon (Nixon's wage and price controls were disastrous economic policy) and behind Reagan and both Bushes. As Cue Si pointed out, he had the best genes in the family, and after Bobby died, there wasn't one of them who was worth the money it took to keep them in office and their scandals off the front pages.

Face it, trying to live in the shadow of the legacies of his brothers, it was really sort of a sink or swim thing for Teddy.

Adam Wood

03-16-2011, 09:09 AM

Face it, trying to live in the shadow of the legacies of his brothers, it was really sort of a sink or swim thing for Teddy.

BOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

fettpett

03-16-2011, 09:12 AM

Bon appetit.

JFK is the best of the Democratic presidents in my lifetime

that doesn't take much, not when lined up against Carter, Clinton and Obama

noonwitch

03-16-2011, 11:03 AM

JFK was assassinated about a year before I was born. My mom loved him, the 1960 election was her first voting experience and she was very excited to vote for Kennedy. Neither of my parents liked LBJ, although both liked Ladybird, for whatever reasons.

I think that the tragic and shocking nature of his death has caused people to overrate his presidency. The man's own considerable speaking and writing abilities, his family's tragic history, and his personal charm have also contributed to the american people having such a high opinion overall of him. Also, he appealed to the young people at the time (the early baby boomers), who are the most self-obsessed generation of americans to ever exist. They can't let go of their glorious 60s past, and he's a part of it.

Odysseus

03-16-2011, 11:15 AM

Face it, trying to live in the shadow of the legacies of his brothers, it was really sort of a sink or swim thing for Teddy.

D'Oh!!!

It's hard to argue that Teddy was an aberration. The Kennedys were as morally bankrupt as any European dynastic family, including the Caesars. The one thing that kept them going, aside from the money, was their photogenic quality. Only a capricious creator would combine the appearance of the Osmonds and the morals of the Borgias in one clan.

namvet

03-17-2011, 10:27 AM

he had the biggest collection of whores

fettpett

03-17-2011, 12:18 PM

he had the biggest collection of whores

according to that cracked.com article LBJ had a bigger one and liked to swing his dick around too

namvet

03-17-2011, 12:33 PM

according to that cracked.com article LBJ had a bigger one and liked to swing his dick around too

at a state dinner one of his whores was invited. Jackie re arranged the seating so his "gal" wound up sitting next to him. JFK was outraged but it was her subtle way of telling him I know what your up to.

CaughtintheMiddle1990

03-17-2011, 12:41 PM

according to that cracked.com article LBJ had a bigger one and liked to swing his dick around too

LBJ's aides referred to it as a "harem" of women.
He wanted to one up JFK.

namvet

03-17-2011, 12:54 PM

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2009/12/28/1227_jfk_boat_tmz_01_lrg_ex-1.jpg

story (http://www.tmz.com/2009/12/28/president-john-f-kennedy-photograph-jfk-photo-boat-yatch-nude-naked-women-mediterranean-sea-jackie-kennedy-ted-kennedy-senator-george-smathers-election/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)

their dad, ole Joe was no diff. he had a constant parade of whore's in and out of the family home. guess that'a where the boy's got their training

fettpett

03-17-2011, 01:05 PM

at a state dinner one of his whores was invited. Jackie re arranged the seating so his "gal" wound up sitting next to him. JFK was outraged but it was her subtle way of telling him I know what your up to.

Don't get me wrong, JFK was a horn dog, I was just pointing out that he wasn't necessarily the biggest one:D

namvet

03-17-2011, 01:20 PM

Don't get me wrong, JFK was a horn dog, I was just pointing out that he wasn't necessarily the biggest one:D

I beg to differ. he was. one of the networks did a TV doc on his women. it alone was shocking. but they ran it in prime time. what other prez gets that honor??? this is in many parts

mzZ0VZORVmY

CaughtintheMiddle1990

03-17-2011, 02:00 PM

[JFK] remarked about this [his libido] to UK Prime Minister Harold Macmillan, "I wonder how it is for you, Harold? If I don't have a woman for three days, I get terrible headaches."

A few in the medical field believe his libido was due to his Addison's disease medication, which has the side effect of increased libido. He also reportedly took Testosterone shots...So that would explain his horniness.

namvet

03-17-2011, 02:19 PM

[JFK] remarked about this [his libido] to UK Prime Minister Harold Macmillan, "I wonder how it is for you, Harold? If I don't have a woman for three days, I get terrible headaches."

A few in the medical field believe his libido was due to his Addison's disease medication, which has the side effect of increased libido. He also reportedly took Testosterone shots...So that would explain his horniness.

I ask that same question often. I have to sympathize with JFK. As TMI as it may be, I'm a sex hound myself.

Odysseus

03-19-2011, 01:18 AM

I ask that same question often. I have to sympathize with JFK. As TMI as it may be, I'm a sex hound myself.

Yeah, TMI. Seriously.

CaughtintheMiddle1990

03-19-2011, 01:24 AM

Yeah, TMI. Seriously.

Well, we're all adults here, except for maybe Wei Wei and Wilbur.

CueSi

03-19-2011, 01:37 AM

I ask that same question often. I have to sympathize with JFK. As TMI as it may be, I'm a sex hound myself.

You're straight, so they'll let that slide. But...yeah, TMI. :D

~QC

CaughtintheMiddle1990

03-19-2011, 01:44 AM

You're straight, so they'll let that slide. But...yeah, TMI. :D

~QC

As a straight man I say let your flag of 'bisexual woman' fly loudly and proudly.
But then of course as a straight man, I'm biased toward bisexual women.

Sonnabend

03-19-2011, 05:50 AM

I understand wanting to see someone closer to your own age be president, and being born in the same century is nice too

That's as stupid as voting for a President because he will be the first black man.And everyone know how well that turned out well now, don't we? :rolleyes:

ironhorsedriver

03-19-2011, 08:14 AM

Kennedy took pain killers because of continuing problems with his back. He received those injuries from the incident where a Japanese Destroyer rammed his boat, PT-109. Even with his injuries, and they where already causing him pain, he continually swam out into open water, trying to flag friendly forces. In my opinion, he was, and is, a true patriot. If he was forced to take pain medication, one after the other, he earned that right, the hard way.
I am no democrat, if you've read any of my posts, you know. However, Kennedy, I liked. And you know, I was one hell of a womanizer, or tried to be, when I was young myself. I would much rather he have lived, and LBJ never succeeded him, I believe he would have held a much different course for this country in the 60's.
But one thing is for certain, I will never consider him a drug addict for his reliance on pain killers, I just about bet he didn't want to be on them either. And at least he had the balls to serve, and in a very dangerous occupational choice, and he had the opportunity to not have to go at all. So yea, he gets to be called a Man.
Sorry for the rant, but you young folks need to know some history, not just that the man was a Democrat and must be vilified.

Odysseus

03-19-2011, 10:17 AM

As a straight man I say let your flag of 'bisexual woman' fly loudly and proudly.
But then of course as a straight man, I'm biased toward bisexual women.

Good comeback. :D

BadCat

03-19-2011, 11:14 AM

JFK?

Ok, I fucking HATE democrats.

He was one.

CaughtintheMiddle1990

03-19-2011, 11:41 AM

JFK?

Ok, I fucking HATE democrats.

He was one.

Not like most. He wanted to basically cut the balls off the Federal Reserve, he was planning to get out of Vietnam and had no plans to commit any ground combat troops, and he cut taxes dramatically (cut the top marginal rate by 20% which was the largest tax cut in history until Reagan) and was a staunch anti-communist. So he's more of a conservative than a liberal. So you might actually like him.

"Israel was not created in order to disappear - Israel will endure and flourish. It is the child of hope and the home of the brave. It can neither be broken by adversity nor demoralized by success. It carries the shield of democracy and it honors the sword of freedom."--JFK

"Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty."--JFK

"The tax on capital gains directly affects investment decisions, the mobility and flow of risk capital... the ease or difficulty experienced by new ventures in obtaining capital, and thereby the strength and potential for growth in the economy."
--JFK, on proposing to cut taxes in 1963.

JFK was pro-McCarthy, and was the ONLY Democratic senator not to vote to censure him in 1954 (which in effect marked the end of McCarthy's career)

txradioguy

03-19-2011, 11:46 AM

Jack Kennedy if he were alive today would say what Reagan said in the 60's. He didn't leave the Democrat Party. The party left him.

Hell the Democrat Party wouldn't accept a member like Jack Kennedy in it's ranks anymore.

He was pro tax cuts, an anti Communist, a friend of the military and believed in a strong national defense.

CaughtintheMiddle1990

03-19-2011, 11:54 AM

Jack Kennedy if he were alive today would say what Reagan said in the 60's. He didn't leave the Democrat Party. The party left him.

Hell the Democrat Party wouldn't accept a member like Jack Kennedy in it's ranks anymore.

He was pro tax cuts, an anti Communist, a friend of the military and believed in a strong national defense.

Pretty much this. He would at best be a Blue Dog, and at worst be considered a traitor like Lieberman is by the far left.

Also the last President to wear a fedora:
http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/images/1/1c/Photo-jfkl-02_0037-KN-C17599.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3324/3311097747_7c60a67795_o.jpg
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6893/jfkhat1.jpg
http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/308/jfkandlbjwearingfedoras.jpg

Starbuck

03-19-2011, 11:50 PM

Actually, that's not a fedora, is it?
Ike is carrying a fedora. Jack has a trilby....I think

By the 1950s, hat makers started blocking the various creases into the hats when they were made. This is now the standard. The brim goes all the way around the crown and can be left raw edge, finished with a sewn overwelt or underwelt, bound with grosgrain ribbon, or finished with a self-felted cavanagh edge. Traditionally, fedoras have grosgrain hat bands. A trilby hat is similar to a fedora, but typically has a narrower brim, and the back of the brim is distinctively more sharply upturned as a result

Wouldn't the hat shown in the next to last last picture be a trilby, with the back turned up?:)