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Then the environment was informed about the positive
inclination of the Committee in addressing the issues but the reality was
different than what was conveyed, including to the top brass of the three
services.

Now comes another reality.

Keeping the services in the dark all these months, it has
now been confirmed that the Committee, rather than addressing the issues as
directed by the PMO, has in fact recorded in its report that all pay related
issues should be referred to the next pay commission for consideration.

Well, if even the PMO’s directions can be taken so
lightly, then the future does not seem so bright.

Also, some bright minds have asked me as to what would
faujis stand to lose by reference of the issues to the next pay commission.

Nothing much, you only stand to lose about ten years of
pay and allowances.

23 comments:

dear sir, thanks for giving the latest on the subject. you are doing a great job to study the defense welfare subjects in details and give your views. there are innumerable topics where action from def min is required to be rectified, starting from rank pay of serving persons and also of retired persons wef 01 jan 86, various allowances, disability pension, rounding off or on seeking pre mature retirement,one rank one pension, degradation of pay of def persons in comparison with IAS officers since then and now. we know you are a busy persons, please keep giving your valuable time to expose such lapses so that army persons serving or retired have the update knowledge of their rightful entitlement. Now request specially for ex servicemen, make a list of all points and vote to the next party in 2014 elections, who promises to solve you problems. thanks

dear sir, thanks for giving the latest on the subject. you are doing a great job to study the defense welfare subjects in details and give your views. there are innumerable topics where action from def min is required to be rectified, starting from rank pay of serving persons and also of retired persons wef 01 jan 86, various allowances, disability pension, rounding off or on seeking pre mature retirement,one rank one pension, degradation of pay of def persons in comparison with IAS officers since then and now. we know you are a busy persons, please keep giving your valuable time to expose such lapses so that army persons serving or retired have the update knowledge of their rightful entitlement. Now request specially for ex servicemen, make a list of all points and vote to the next party in 2014 elections, who promises to solve you problems. thanks

Dear Major Navdeep,Thanks for the latest information.The only way I feel to get our issues resolved is to make our Officers and men Voters in the stations where they are posted and to make sure that they will go for voting.The politicians are afraid of only the voters.We can become a big vote bank and decide the future of many a politicians.IAS babus does not have a vote bank.Our future action should be on these lines because elections are nearing.Regards AMC Doctor

Nothing can happen to armed forces till the time Top Brass keep getting lured by small issue....Armed forces should have realised this when they were not even part of the recommendations.People feeling for PM/RM...Ha ha hathey too didn't want it for you !!!otherwise they could have given it to you...

If you see PM didn't utter a word on welfare of soldiers from Red Fort 2013.

Babus & politicos are together as far as Fauj is concernedThey Know that we are Charlies & IF SOME ARE NOT they will make a charlie out of them too.

none of the Chiefs have spoken about it in OPEN...GOD BLESS THE ARMED FORCES...

our senior officers are largely responsible for landing ourselves in this mess.Our negative attitude and auditor like approach towards our subordinates is manifest in continued deterioration of our financial position and status. another wake up call to us, we must act positively towards the betterment of our men, rather than making statements.

Poor, damned senior officers! Most Responsible for everything, even what the bureaucrats do!

What about having no ranks higher than Brigadier in officers cadre and Havildar in Jawans? Younger Armed Forces, lesser pay and allowances, better comradeship, less expenses with may be even common messes like they have in the RAAF!

As per your own blog civilians have won their case from courts and will get ARREARS from JAN 2006 rather than 24 SEP 2012 -- Does the latest blog mean that we will not get till next pay commission---SETHI--IC 10129

It has been composed by a fourth generation, 24-year old career officer in the Indian Armed Forces, spurred by the report of the Sixth Pay Commission and an insensitive article written by a 'respectable' citizen of the country in a national daily on the armed forces and the pertinence of the Sixth Pay Commission therein.

This free-flowing verse has not been edited; it's to ensure that the originality of the angst is maintained. After all, when you are in pain, the language of expression is the last thing in your mind

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How you play with us, did you ever see?At Seven, I had decided what I wanted to be;I would serve you to the end,All these boundaries I would defend.

Now you make me look like a fool,When at Seventeen and just out of school;Went to the place where they made "men out of boys"Lived a tough life …sacrificed a few joys…

In those days, I would see my 'civilian' friends,Living a life with the fashion trends;Enjoying their so called "College Days"While I sweated and bled in the sun and haze…But I never thought twice about what where or whyAll I knew was when the time came, I'd be ready to do or die.

At 21 and with my commission in hand,Under the glory of the parade and the band,I took the oath to protect you over land, air or sea,And make the supreme sacrifice when the need came to be.

I stood there with a sense of recognition,But on that day I never had the premonition,that when the time came to give me my due,You'd just say," What is so great that you do?"

Long back you promised a well to do life;And when I'm away, take care of my wife.You came and saw the hardships I live through,And I saw you make a note or two,And I hoped you would realise the worth of me;

but now I know you'll never be able to see,Because you only see the glorified life of mine,Did you see the place where death looms all the time?Did you meet the man standing guard in the snow?The name of his newborn he does not know...Did you meet the man whose father breathed his last?While the sailor patrolled our seas so vast?

You still know I'll not be the one to raise my voiceI will stand tall and protect you in Punjab Himachal and Thois.

But that's just me you have in the sun and rain,For now at Twenty Four, you make me think again;About the decision I made, Seven years back;Should I have chosen another life, some other track?

Will I tell my son to follow my lead?Will I tell my son, you'll get all that you need?This is the country you will serveThis country will give you all that you deserve?

I heard you tell the world "India is shining"I told my men, that's a reason for us to be smilingThis is the India you and I will defend!But tell me how long will you be able to pretend?You go on promise all that you may,But it's the souls of your own men you betray.

Did you read how some of our eminent citizensWrite about me and ridicule my very existence?I ask you to please come and see what I do,Come and have a look at what I go throughLive my life just for a dayMaybe you'll have something else to say?

I will still risk my life without a sighTo keep your flag flying highbut today I ask myself a question or two…Oh India…. Why do I still serve you

Dear Maj Navdeep,Thanks for this piece of news, though it is terrible. But it is better to be updated rather than remain ignorant.Compare this news with what the Govt recently sanctioned ie.medical treatment abroad at Govt expense for the IAS, IPS and IFoS.These guys know how to get what they want.We,unfortunately, do not make ourselves heard.No one takes our rightful demands seriously.Even an under-secretary can throw us about and and we just lump it. They treat us with disregard and disgust, for the Fauji(Navy and IAF included) is dispensable being plain cannon-fodder.The remedy lies in effective and forceful action by the Service Headquarters to secure what is rightfully due.

The senior officers are to be blamed for this. They always thought and said that daaru and kukkad is the answer to all the issues. God bless them. We were always overawed by the brass on the shoulders and the smart uniforms. Actually the civvies are having the last laugh.

Navdeep why dont you start a political party in conjunction with all Ex Servicemen associations .....The Xmen, serving soldiers and families would be a phenomenal votebank..... more than 15-20 million ( Families included) each xmen/serving soldier is 4-5 votes......

Dear Maj Navdeep Sir,1. There was a news that committee has recommended NFU for armed forces and three chiefs were given the green signal. Now your news that Secretaries have recorded in their recommendations that pay and allowances issues be referred to 7th Pay commission. But one thing needs clarification whether NFU is coming or that is also left to 7th Pay Commission.

I am constrained to say-Hon supreme court order ,absolutely clear.Where is need for every ..... to interpret and keep rendering opinions ;after delaying for so long .Any way ! some thing is out after so much of time taken by attorney at law .The game of evasion,postpone ,delay ,denial.....amounting to cheating is glaringly visible.

If,CHIEFS/Mil men really want to resolve these matters -it is few days only !THESE ISSUES AND MATTERS ARE SIMPLY LISTED AS ANOMALIES FOR DECADES SINCE 1973 &1986 ,WITHOUT RESOLVING ,ARE GETTING ACCUMULATED AND HAVING COMPOUNDING DIMINISHING EFFECT.

Pay and allowances of GOI employees are decided by govt. How come Committee of Secy (Gp A officers) were allowed to decide the fate of ARMED FORCES OFFICERS on NFU, who have the same CONSTITUTIONAL STATUS.

Can it be challenged in Court of Law. Will it not involve BREACH OF INTEREST & FAITH.