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Re: Just heard that Epstein offed himself

Perhaps it’ll be the Murder on the Orient Express version: they all did it.

Seriously, McMike, I don’t know how many prisoners in that jail are able to hang themselves. The report says his injuries appear to be self-inflicted. I’m not a doctor so I’m not sure how distinguishing marks are from someone trying to hang themselves versus someone garroted or strangled.

But it seems to me the guy had every reason to off himself, and hundreds of people wished him dead. I’d be surprised if there weren't surveillance cameras to help sort it out. My guess is that extraordinary caution was not taken because enough people wanted to see him die, and nature conveniently took its course.

Re: Just heard that Epstein offed himself

A lot of these sort of people got where they did by taking the "easy way" rather than doing the right things in life. To have a scumball like him off himself isn't unusual... it's the easy way out, rather than facing up to what he did.

Re: Just heard that Epstein offed himself

Surveillance cameras ? well, that would make sense, so fuggetaboutit. There will be no camera, no tape, no feed, no witness.
Hundreds wanted him dead ? no, hundreds of thousands wanted him alive. ...for trial.

Re: Just heard that Epstein offed himself

Originally Posted by McMike

What are your thoughts? Do you not find it hard to believe he simply offed himself?

Chances are that he simply hung himself. Couldn't face life in prison. The big question: How did this happen if he was on suicide watch? I believe that suicide watch means a prisoner is checked every 15 minutes or so. If these checks aren't random, it's easy for the guy to off himself right after the last check. 15 minutes is plenty of time to tie a knot and hang yourself if you are really committed.
You would think that a video camera would be on him at all times.
Heads will roll.

Re: Just heard that Epstein offed himself

Originally Posted by Rich Jones

Chances are that he simply hung himself. Couldn't face life in prison. The big question: How did this happen if he was on suicide watch? I believe that suicide watch means a prisoner is checked every 15 minutes or so. If these checks aren't random, it's easy for the guy to off himself right after the last check. 15 minutes is plenty of time to tie a knot and hang yourself if you are really committed.
You would think that a video camera would be on him at all times.
Heads will roll.

I always thought that suicide watched also precluded anything that could be tied into a knot. Silly me.

Re: Just heard that Epstein offed himself

Originally Posted by McMike

There is too many very powerful lives at stake to not consider a less simple explanation. We've seen, in broad daylight, the manipulation of the legal system in the form of Barr for Trump. That kind of injustice in broad daylight has more than shown me that the powerful live far out of reach of laws. They operate without fear of real prosecution. I wholeheartedly admit to my hard idealism most of my life. I always knew there were evil people, and I even knew that many never end up paying for their crimes, but I never imagined the magnitude at which this occurred.

Re: Just heard that Epstein offed himself

How terribly convenient. Look now for what, for no investigation to proceed regarding his co-conspirators? For the evidence to mysteriously be destroyed? For "unexplained gaps" in the video surveillance of Epstein's cell?

If I use the word "God," I sure don't mean an old man in the sky who just loves the occasional goat sacrifice. - Anne Lamott

Re: Just heard that Epstein offed himself

Let's see: On 8/02 in response to the initial Epstein thread (A Million Pages) I posted "Who wants to bet on the odds for Epstein surviving long enough for trial?" so here we are... This thing really smells. My wife is a high powered psychologist and over 40+ years has seen many, many really bad things and heard about many. In her experience she says that the odds for narcissistic personality types killing themselves is VERY low. There are just way too many rich and powerful who, on hearing today's news about Epstein, are very, very relieved. JC

Re: Just heard that Epstein offed himself

Suicide watch: Here's a case where respecting prisoner's rights may have resulted in less protection for the prisoner's life. For example, full-on, surveillance 100-percent of the time might be said to deprive the prisoner of privacy. And stripping a prisoner of clothing and offering no sheet or blanket ( so they can't hang themselves) might be considered cruel and unusual.Our rights sometimes butt up against what needs to be done.

Kevin

There are two kinds of boaters: those who have run aground, and those who lie about it.

Re: Just heard that Epstein offed himself

No worries, the squad is on it.

An investigation is underway, a spokesperson told HuffPost. Some members of Congress, including Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) and Rep. Lois Frankel (D-Fla.) have already begun demanding answers.

Re: Just heard that Epstein offed himself

Originally Posted by JamesCaird

Let's see: On 8/02 in response to the initial Epstein thread (A Million Pages) I posted "Who wants to bet on the odds for Epstein surviving long enough for trial?" so here we are... This thing really smells. My wife is a high powered psychologist and over 40+ years has seen many, many really bad things and heard about many. In her experience she says that the odds for narcissistic personality types killing themselves is VERY low. There are just way too many rich and powerful who, on hearing today's news about Epstein, are very, very relieved. JC

I remember that, I can't find the thread and what my response was.

Being denied bail may have been an issue in his thinking if he did indeed commit suicide.

But yeah, given the evidence that he would have against the rich and powerful, this stinks. Just yesterday I thought, there was a story about a woman alleging she was slaved out by Epstein to Bill Richardson and Bill Mitchell, her story had some sketchiness to it but on the other hand you would not expect a young girl to remember all details from years ago. If true, high-up people.

There better be video and review, at least of access to his cell. He could also have been encouraged to commit suicide.

With him dead, it solves so much for a lot of potential accused, I'm sure he didn't keep a written record of things.

When you can take the pebble from my hand, it will be time for you to leave.

Re: Just heard that Epstein offed himself

Who are you troll? See Us Liberals have the maturity and intelligence to call out our own, and yet you seem to ignore the significant relationship Trump had with Epstein. What does that say about you?

You sound like you've got some kind of anger issues going on there. Maybe you should be seeking some professional help. Please explain why you think I'm a troll. Is my not mentioning Trump any different from your previous post not mentioning the Clintons as possibly being behind it? You did seem to acknowledge that Epstein and Clinton were "rape buddies". I'm just a little puzzled by your hostile response.