The self same Chief Justice Roberts that doesn’t know the difference between a tax and fine nor the proper way for the Federal Government to acquire
a new power by Amendment process instead of a simple majority vote, that Chief Justice. He should pray to Trump every day that I am never ordered to
punch him repeated in the mouth. Because I would be left with a bloody stump where my hand used to be as my bones ground to powder before I stopped.
You want to find a real traitor to the American people, right there is your man. To put it succinctly, you have far more love and admiration for Trump
than I have for Roberts.

There's no evidence being presented about corruption in any of those agencies. Just trump trying to discredit them because they are closing in on his
life long habit of corruption and crimes. He's defensive because he has lots to hide. You're all gonna find out that he is the crook and y'all backed
him.

Either the FBI, DOJ lied to the FISC, or the FISC themselves were part of this corruption. I am not saying it is 100% true that they are/were corrupt,
but it's a possibility when the information provided to the FISC wouldn't stand in any other justice court in the U.S.

What makes you think the evidence would be regarded differently by any other court?
Because you want it that way?

originally posted by: Lucidparadox
When are you people going to admit he colluded with Russia ans its not everyone ELSE that is treasonous and colluding... and that its actually him and
his organization.

Occams Razor

I`ll admit that there is a very real possibility that both sides are equally traitorous and corrupt and they are in a race to see which side can throw
the other under the bus first. In the septic tank of politics nobody is clean.

originally posted by: Lucidparadox
When are you people going to admit he colluded with Russia ans its not everyone ELSE that is treasonous and colluding... and that its actually him and
his organization.

Occams Razor

Because only the ignorant disregard the mountain of evidence standing in front of all of these FBI and other players while latching on to the
accusations against Trump that have no evidence at all...still.

You’re making it up that he’s making it up. You have no idea why any warrent was or was not approved.
Good try, though.

(Edit to add: I’m just playing... it looks like you’re having fun today, and I wanted to join in.

For substance, I say that even if something is not presented AS evidence of something, doesn’t mean that it isn’t. For instance, i could present
my above statement as evidence that I have a sense of humor, but then you could use it as evidence that I don’t, or that I’m trying to be mean, or
something, and I think that that would be valid... not proof, but evidence.)

originally posted by: Lucidparadox
When are you people going to admit he colluded with Russia ans its not everyone ELSE that is treasonous and colluding... and that its actually him and
his organization.

Occams Razor

For crying out loud, there is no evidence whatsoever showing any collusion between President Trump and the Russians. But people like you love to
ignore the fact that Hillary Clinton voted yes for the Uranium 1 deal meanwhile the Russians funneled $150 million dollars into the Clinton
foundation, not to mention the money Bill Clinton got from the Russians for speeches he gave.

Before judges are appointed by the Chief justice, they are appointed to the bench in their district by U.S. Presidents. Besides, we know that U.S.
District Court Judge Rudolph Contreras was forcibly recused by Supreme Court Chief Justice John Roberts from Flynn's case. The only logical reason
why Contreras would have been forcibly recused from Flynn's case would be that he was the FISC judge who signed off the 2016 FISA warrant which led to
the spying of Trump's campaign people, which included Flynn.

I am saying he was forcibly recused because Contreras should have recused himself, but he didn't.

But you are right, i did jump the gun, Obama didn't appoint all of them.

Judge Contreras was appointed by Obama.

Contreras, Rudolph
Born 1962 in Staten Island, NY

Federal Judicial Service:
Judge, U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia Nominated by Barack Obama on July 28, 2011, to a seat vacated by Ricardo M. Urbina. Confirmed by the Senate on March 22, 2012, and received
commission on March 23, 2012.
...

I can understand the warrant being issued based on lies and "faulty" evidence in the place. But, is there not the requirement for "other" evidences to
be shown for the renewal of the warrant every 90 days or so ?

If there was no other evidence shown, how was the warrant extended all the way until after the election and even after Trump took office. To me, this
is what begins to bring the judge into the whole affair.

Exactly. Not only was the 2016 warrant approved because of the fake dossier, but we were told that one of the excuses given to the FISC to continue
the surveillance was hearsay from a third person who supposedly heard Carter while being drunk. Why would any judge believe that hearsay from a
third person is evidence enough to continue the spying on Trump's campaign people, and even later after he became President? It makes no sense.

The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

The idea that Trump colluded with the Russians is laughable. There is evidence that the Russians did employ a psychological propaganda campaign
which will be ongoing. But let's recall how the same people who believe in the Trump- Russian collusion fantasy previous track record. These same
people worshiped Obama's appeasement of the Russian invasion of the Ukraine, and ignored or dismissed associated Russian propaganda.

The origins of the memo in question pose a question in my mind: Is the current cover story designed to reduce the amount of jail time for those who
committed Nixionian crimes? Put another way, does or would have buying the memo via a ploy from the Russian intel community result in more jail time,
than outright fabricating the memo?

As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.

There is plenty of evidence showing that there was collusion between Obama's DOJ, and the FBI to try to go after Trump and his people with made up
charges.

Outgoing Senator HARRY REID also knew that the FBI had some manufactured "dirt" on Donald Trump.

“It has become clear that you possess explosive information about close ties and coordination between Donald Trump, his top advisers, and
the Russian government — a foreign interest openly hostile to the United States, which Trump praises at every opportunity,” Mr. Reid wrote. “The
public has a right to know this information.”

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