Sorry about the advice...you won't have to worry about me making that mistake again....Good Luck!

I am puzzled by this response. I explained what I put in the emails. I also explained more about my position and what I don't know/need to know. From what I've read, you know quite a bit about training, bloodlines, and basically everything else so I'm kind of upset about this response from you. I seem to not always make myself clear, and when I try to make myself more clear then it just seems to offend people. It wasn't my intent. I actually went through the entire thread again to see if anything stood out. I did make a mistake in the last paragraph. I should have made a separate post for that as it wasn't in response to anything you said but rather something someone else said. Either way, I did ask for your input as to what I *should* put in the emails.. asking what they're looking for (if anything). Please explain to me what I said (other than the mistake I mentioned) that you found upsetting. I'm finding trying to communicate on here frustrating at times. I wouldn't continue to attempt to do this except for the fact that I need info. on certain things from people that know what they're talking about. I don't come on here to tick people off or to offend people. However, I do need to know what it is I'm saying that is offending people so I can attempt to clarify. My apologies for whatever it was that upset you.

I've had better luck with phone calls over e-mails when I was contacting clubs, although this was several years ago. I think they may take you more seriously with a phone call, and some of the trainers (at least around here) don't really even use e-mail.

I've had better luck with phone calls over e-mails when I was contacting clubs, although this was several years ago. I think they may take you more seriously with a phone call, and some of the trainers (at least around here) don't really even use e-mail.

Too late to fix my previous post, but I obviously won't be speaking of any prior experiences. I want to come in as a blank slate (which is pretty much where I'm at). I am concerned, though, that being honest about my lack of knowledge would be a deal breaker for some clubs. I will try to call tomorrow to the two listed.

No problem! I interpreted your post wrong in terms of advice based on your last post. I agree with previous poster gabout phone calls being helpful. I am always willing to help someone and take a lot of phone calls also. If you want send me a pm and we can go from there.
Cliff

You have been given plenty of advice from people who have experience and knowledge - you have an unknown puppy that is from untitled parents - with a risky pedigree - and much of that advice does not validate your HOPES and unsubstantiated beliefs, so you are very belligerent about this puppy's ability. No one can guarantee you a titleable puppy....I have seen washouts who were sired by World Champions....getting a pup from PROVEN parents, ie credential parents who have produced credential progeny, is different....lets not even go into the difference between potential in working and show lines and what most working club helpers think of show lines on the field...yes, there is a predjudice, I have seen it for years, and I also know that it is valid....yes, showlines get titled, and the training is not only harder, the judging is softer, and judges and clubs specifically chosen to "get them through" as the sport titles are - by many show line breeders - a nuisence! You are closest to Gtr Cincy....the old Gtr Cincy in Vernoa now has a different name, Kentucky Ridge, and the club split - so try them again as the dynamics will be different....go to observe a few times.....

Unfortunately, many many newbies come to clubs with ingrained determined attitudes that the BY bred pup or the show pup or the whatever pup they have is the greatest thing since sliced bread. They won't listen, they won't learn - they already KNOW everything because they read it on the net or they were fed alot of BS by someone to sell them a pup - seen it over and over and over....and so has everyone else who is experienced in these clubs....You came here after the fact with this same insistance that this pup - which you have never even seen - is a solid working prospect and are belligerent when anyone has cast any doubt over the potential based on the non existant records of it's parents and breeder. Yes, some do work - some make a club dog with alot of dedication and effort on the part of the TD/Helper....but the owner, if they get hooked, will also learn and get a better suited dog fairly quickly. And frankly, when a newbie comes to a club with this type of attitude, people give up on them early on and no, they won't get help...I have refused to sell pups to people who insist that they are going to join Club X or Y - tell them to go get a pup from someone in that club....less hassle and more chance of sucess for the buyer....

I am sorry for your personal situation, I know that it must be extremely hard - I have been training for 15 years nearly, and a car wreck in March has left me extremely compromised - not the same as your illness, but devastating none the less.....but the reality of the scarcity of IPO opportunity and the dynamics of clubs is what it is...

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