PK wants 4+ yrs and Bergy is offering 2. They'll end up settling on 3, I just hope they don't waste too much time before arriving at the inevitable. Camp is short enough this year as it is without this pissing contest.

I think everyone can live with 3x5mil. Get it done and get his ass to camp!

But a level under his peers is still above a TON of players, and if Markov in his prime would have been his level of "peers" and Subban is a level below him, then he's still our no. 2 D....

Intelligence is real important, but getting EVERYTHING in one guy is very rare, and when you do, you have a generational talent. Put Rod Langway's defensive awareness in PK Subban's body, and you get a GREAT ****ing HOF defensemen. But take Subban's hockey sense and Langway's athleticism and you get a player who's lesser than either of them.

PK is PK. And PK is great for what he is. He'll never be Langway and we don't need him to be. He'll be something like a poor man's Coffey, and that's totally fine by me.

One famous play in the 1984 World Cup notwithstanding, Paul Coffey was not that good a defensive defenceman. PK is better defensively and tougher. But Coffey put up HOF numbers offensively. If PK comes even to 60% of Coffee's numbers, he will be a Norris candidate often.

Is he still RFA after 5 years? Probably not. Hence why it's less advantageous for the the Habs. They want to keep rights on Subban. I think this is more the issue than anything else.Maybe I am wrong though.

Not sure why you say that. His tweets are usually accurate, more so than many others out there.

The guy tried to run Kovalev out of town a few years ago, and then claimed to have "lost" the proof. The way he acted during that whole situation, especially how badly he lost his temper to those who questioned his inability to provide the proof he claimed to have, is why I think he's a clown.

Is he still RFA after 5 years? Probably not. Hence why it's less advantageous for the the Habs. They want to keep rights on Subban. I think this is more the issue than anything else.Maybe I am wrong though.

no, but he'll deserve his paycheck or not after 5 years. Hot commodity for a trade, or possible resign. 5 years is a long time, in 2 years time I could see him making 6 based on his play. I would take this deal solely for the price/years. heck, I would try 6 at 4.25 if possible.