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Look again. I'm spotting the crystal on top of the cannon in alt mode, plus the purple striping, meaning it's the Micron replacing the cannon. TakaraTomy nor Hasbro even isn't shy of not using parts of a mold, look at the PCC Microns (which are gang-molded with their larger partners), Henkei Lambor and Alert which actually excluded the supercharger for a more accurate alt mode, or Shockwave's upcoming retool, Air Raid, which has a sword instead of the cannon.

And FYI, the three points sticking out at the front? Integrated into the heels, so Air Raid has them as well.

Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'

I dont think you guys are looking at what Im looking at. Im not looking at any grey or black parts. Im looking at the part in alt mode that is purple that is quite clearly the cannon which Hasbro had molded in grey. You know, the thing thats shaped like the letter "Y" which is the front of the cannon. Look clearly it's right there in purple, so its not part of the Micron. The Micron has the same thing (minus one of the three portions) but in black. Like I said before...Myth Busted.

Rated X wrote:I dont think you guys are looking at what Im looking at. Im not looking at any grey or black parts. Im looking at the part in alt mode that is purple that is quite clearly the cannon which Hasbro had molded in grey. You know, the thing thats shaped like the letter "Y" which is the front of the cannon. Look clearly it's right there in purple, so its not part of the Micron. The Micron has the same thing (minus one of the three portions) but in black. Like I said before...Myth Busted.

Those are the heel parts I was talking about! In alt mode they slide in front of the barrel:

Next time, actually consider the fact you may be wrong, and investigate what others are saying.

Rated X wrote:I dont think you guys are looking at what Im looking at. Im not looking at any grey or black parts. Im looking at the part in alt mode that is purple that is quite clearly the cannon which Hasbro had molded in grey. You know, the thing thats shaped like the letter "Y" which is the front of the cannon. Look clearly it's right there in purple, so its not part of the Micron. The Micron has the same thing (minus one of the three portions) but in black. Like I said before...Myth Busted.

Those are the heel parts I was talking about! In alt mode they slide in front of the barrel:

Next time, actually consider the fact you may be wrong, and investigate what others are saying.

Transformation wise you are all right. I only transformed the damn thing once and wasnt impressed with the alt mode to begin with. So I honestly forgot that part of the transformation.

But this is not really a TF Prime figure. Its an FOC figure in a Japanese TF Prime box with a bonus micron that has nothing to do with TF Prime or FOC. Theyre basically putting lipstick on a pig.

And nobody actually knows if the cannon is going to be included or not. Is the Micron a Bonus cannon or a replacement for the cannon ? Nobody knows. Everybody is just assuming. I may be wrong, but so may all of you.

- Faintly, an energon Crystal in the back- A purple stripe on both the Micron and the vehicle mode- No Hasbro cannon anywhere

Wheeljack, Battle Shield Optimus and Deluxe Optimus Prime mold aside, none of the Arms Micron releases have a single Hasbro weapon and I certainly don't think they'll make an exception for Shockwave. Hasbro didn't for Air Raid...

If Im wrong, so be it. Im just saying we shouldnt jump to conclusuons until we see whats inside the package. This is not a TF Prime figure even if it is being sold as one. That micron looks like it weighs almost 1/3 of Shockwaves weight. If the joints are even slightly loose, the whole arm will flop and the figure will fall over. Thats one off the reasons I believe the cannon will be included.

Rated X wrote:But this is not really a TF Prime figure. Its an FOC figure in a Japanese TF Prime box with a bonus micron that has nothing to do with TF Prime or FOC. Theyre basically putting lipstick on a pig.

Sure it does. Remember that the Japanese dub of TF: Prime includes those new Arms Micron Theater segments in which the Arms Microns are characters who interact with each other.

And the show itself sometimes has the characters speak of the Arms Microns in the Japanese version. For example, in the episode Starscream loses his arm, while the English version has Knock Out suggest Starscream replace his old arm with either a Null Ray or Sonic Cannon atachment, Japanese Knock Out instead suggests that Japanese Starscream replace his old arm with a new Arms Micron.

And as for "jumping the gun" on whether or not Takara Prime Shockwave will or won't include the Hasbro cannon, consider the following:

All the same parts across all four have been circled and pointed out. The cannon on Shockwave's arm, the bug Arms Micron, the separated cannon, and the cannon in Shockwave's Vehicle Mode are all very clearly the same piece.

Hasbro cannon, however, aside from the Y-shape of the barrel, looks very different:

Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'

Rated X wrote:But this is not really a TF Prime figure. Its an FOC figure in a Japanese TF Prime box with a bonus micron that has nothing to do with TF Prime or FOC. Theyre basically putting lipstick on a pig.

Sure it does. Remember that the Japanese dub of TF: Prime includes those new Arms Micron Theater segments in which the Arms Microns are characters who interact with each other.

And the show itself sometimes has the characters speak of the Arms Microns in the Japanese version. For example, in the episode Starscream loses his arm, while the English version has Knock Out suggest Starscream replace his old arm with either a Null Ray or Sonic Cannon atachment, Japanese Knock Out instead suggests that Japanese Starscream replace his old arm with a new Arms Micron.

And as for "jumping the gun" on whether or not Takara Prime Shockwave will or won't include the Hasbro cannon, consider the following:

All the same parts across all four have been circled and pointed out. The cannon on Shockwave's arm, the bug Arms Micron, the separated cannon, and the cannon in Shockwave's Vehicle Mode are all very clearly the same piece.

Hasbro cannon, however, aside from the Y-shape of the barrel, looks very different:

Your points make perfect sense. But logic aside, they might just throw it in if the cannon is part of the mold when it's infused with melted plastic. I mean, what are they gonna do with 10,000 spare cannons ? Butt plugs ???

I honestly never watched Japanese dubs of TF Prime because I have the english version available. Do you have any you tube links of the parts showing the microns ?

Obsolete parts cast from a mold have been discarded in the past, X. Like Cybertron Scrapmetal, that has two heads on the same sprue, but only one is used. It's a well practiced method, used even today with Generation and RtS being the latest examples.

Rated X wrote:I honestly never watched Japanese dubs of TF Prime because I have the english version available. Do you have any you tube links of the parts showing the microns ?

Yes, but I'm not sure if a man of your particular tastes might wish to see them, since they aren't subbed in English and are much more lighthearted and more "wacky fun" in tone compared to the main show itself.

Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'

Besides why would they need to cast the hasbro cannon? It's not like they have to cast every part of a mold. Like for prid megatron with the new arm. Hypothetically let's say they make that a toy and give it a whole new for arm mold. Will they have to cast his original for arm just because it's part of the original mold or will they save plastic and just cast the new one?

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