Yes, I posted 1 review of my Mac experience (after using PC for decades) and many posts quickly followed from PC users advocating the superiority of PCs. Those evangelistic posts from PC users all come with an elitist attitude, so I pointed it out...that`s all.

BTW - I can`t view the whole video right now, but judging from the trailer I viewed, everything in the video probably applies to PC users as well (waiting in line for new products, advocating the superiority of the product, etc.). You could easily put together a dumb documentary mocking PC users as well.

And for the record, I don`t go to Starbucks, as their coffee tastes horrible.

Yes, I posted 1 review of my Mac experience (after using PC for decades) and many posts quickly followed from PC users advocating the superiority of PCs. Those evangelistic posts from PC users all come with an elitist attitude, so I pointed it out...that`s all. BTW - I can`t view the whole video right now, but judging from the trailer I viewed, everything in the video probably applies to PC users as well (waiting in line for new products, advocating the superiority of the product, etc.). You could easily put together a dumb documentary mocking PC users as well. And for the record, I don`t go to Starbucks, as their coffee tastes horrible.

You are mistaken on everything you posted above except that Starbucks tastes horrible. You did not post a review. A review is a piece of critical writing that details the features of a product. You posted a sales pitch. Go back and read what you wrote. You even listed PRICING. Nobody asked for a review, regardless, this is a thread about someone being PISSED OFF at the product you came in here to sell. It was your sales pitch that got people riled up. You obviously don't even realize you are doing it. And no, Mac people are a very special kind of insane. By the way, Macintosh computers ARE PC's. I wish people would get this straight. Are you talking about Windows users? Linux? Who precisely do you mean, when you say "PC users"? Everyone on this forum is a PC user.

You been brainwashed, buddy. That was an unsolicited advertisement if I've ever seen one. Maybe you like it that way - but this is a 1984 moment for sure. You have been re-educated and are now another cog in the corporate advertising strategy cooked up in Cupertino, California in the 1980's.

Well I listened to people like you for a long time (as I mentioned in my brainwashed post), but decided to take the leap. I am happy with my decision, so I decided to post my experiences as I think there are other users wondering what`s it`s like to switch.

I decided there was no risk in buying an Apple anymore, as you can use it like a PC if you want. Rather than listen to people like you or the Apple marketing hype, I decided the best way is to try for myself.

I decided there was no risk in buying an Apple anymore, as you can use it like a PC if you want. Rather than listen to people like you or the Apple marketing hype, I decided the best way is to try for myself.

It is a PC We are all happy that you found Jesus, or whatever. Just keep it to yourself.

You are mistaken on everything you posted above except that Starbucks tastes horrible.

You did not post a review. A review is a piece of critical writing that details the features of a product. You posted a sales pitch. Go back and read what you wrote. You even listed PRICING.

Nobody asked for a review, regardless, this is a thread about someone being PISSED OFF at the product you came in here to sell. It was your sales pitch that got people riled up. You obviously don't even realize you are doing it.

And no, Mac people are a very special kind of insane.

By the way, Macintosh computers ARE PC's. I wish people would get this straight. Are you talking about Windows users? Linux? Who precisely do you mean, when you say "PC users"? Everyone on this forum is a PC user.

The title of this thread is "Apple f***ing sucks" so my post was in line with topic.

Basically the OP was complaining that nothing works on his Mac after he recently made the switch, so I posted my experience as well. I included prices and everything so people that are interested can get an idea of the price range in comparison to PC products (since the basic argument againsts Apple is usually that it is too expensive in comparison to PC products).

When I say PC, I mean non-Apple computers, as that is the term commonly used.

The title of this thread is "Apple f***ing sucks" so my post was in line with topic.

Maybe to someone trying to sell something. Not in the general tone of the thread until that point though.

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Basically the OP was complaining that nothing works on his Mac after he recently made the switch, so I posted my experience as well.

Which in no way helped the OP, or said anything of value related to the discussion taking place, other than "It's easy, I'm so happy, you should buy one. It costs X dollars, it's totally worth it!"

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I included prices and everything so people that are interested can get an idea of the price range in comparison to PC products (since the basic argument againsts Apple is usually that it is too expensive in comparison to PC products).

Again, Apple TV and etc. have absolutely nothing to do with this thread. Do you think that if someone is interested in an Apple TV, they can't just like... find the price themselves?

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When I say PC, I mean non-Apple computers, as that is the term commonly used.

You remain confused then. Nowhere in this thread was anyone trying to sell a "non Apple computer". The only evangelism was from you. The term PC was not really commonly used in that way by anyone but Apple, who tried to distance themselves from being a "PC" so that their customers don't see fit to question pricing or performance disparities between themselves and other PC manufacturers. They are, however, a personal computer. You are basically arguing that you don't drive a truck, you drive an F-150. An F-150 is a type of truck, therefore it cannot ever be "not a truck". It just sounds kinda dumb.

You are free to tell us about how much Apple f***ing sucks. It's basically an issue of you coming into this thread and perpetrating the exact behavior that the OP was complaining about, as if you didn't even read his post, and then trying to blame it on the rest of us.

You been brainwashed, buddy. That was an unsolicited advertisement if I've ever seen one. Maybe you like it that way - but this is a 1984 moment for sure. You have been re-educated and are now another cog in the corporate advertising strategy cooked up in Cupertino, California in the 1980's.

- I pointed out that their prices are relatively more expensive than non-Apple products
- I pointed out that they don`t even include necessary accessories (like basic cables) even with the higher pricing
- I pointed out that Safari doesn`t load some pages properly.
- I pointed out that Apple TV used in the standard way (the way Apple intended) is limited.

If I have additional experiences to share, I probably will, but for now those are the only things I could think of that suck about Apple.

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Maybe to someone trying to sell something. Not in the general tone of the thread until that point though.

Well to someone trying to make sure as many as possible DON`T buy their products, maybe that`s the way my post came across.

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Which in no way helped the OP, or said anything of value related to the discussion taking place, other than "It's easy, I'm so happy, you should buy one"

I said "It`s easy, I`m happy, you should CONSIDER one," but I am sure your posts added much more value to the topic and have helped the OP a lot.

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Again, Apple TV and etc. have absolutely nothing to do with this thread. Do you think that if someone is interested in an Apple TV, they can't just like... find the price themselves?

You can easily find the price yourself for anything discussed on this forum. Sometimes it`s good have the information readily available. Like I pointed out in my Sales Pitch, Apple prices are a bit higher, so by putting the prices in the Pitch, I thought the reader could compare for themselves.

The Apple TV is not directly related to the OP, but I included it to relay that you can`t use all Apple stuff "as is" and expect to have a nice experience. You should be happy I included this in my Sales Pitch, as I was pointing out a flaw in Apple products.

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You remain confused then. Nowhere in this thread was anyone trying to sell a "non Apple computer". The only evangelism was from you. The term PC is not really commonly used in that way by anyone but Apple, who try to distance themselves from being a "PC" so that their customers don't see fit to question pricing or performance disparities between themselves and other PC manufacturers.

How about I continue to use "PC" and you type the long version, "Non-Apple-Computer." As long as we both know we are talking about the same thing, the "confusion" should not be a problem.

Well to someone trying to make sure as many as possible DON`T buy their products, maybe that`s the way my post came across.

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So in the end, if you are looking for the best price I would stick with PC, but if you don`t mind trying out Apple for a little extra, I think you will happy. In my opinion for the little extra you get a better computer experience when you factor in the whole package.

^ Your backtracking doesn't make much sense, considering the fact that he's already purchased the thing, now does it? I'll just repeat myself.

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Evangelism marketing is an advanced form of word of mouth marketing (WOMM) in which companies develop customers who believe so strongly in a particular product or service that they freely try to convince others to buy and use it. The customers become voluntary advocates, actively spreading the word on behalf of the company.

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I said "It`s easy, I`m happy, you should CONSIDER one," but I am sure your posts added much more value to the topic and have helped the OP a lot.

It would have helped the OP even more if he'd have listened to me to begin with, because his shit would likely still work instead of feeling frustrated with the supposed "easy" computing experience that Apple offers, and worrying that he just spent $2k on a something he's going to have to "live with" instead. Sorry Douglas.

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How about I continue to use "PC" and you type the long version, "Non-Apple-Computer." As long as we both know we are talking about the same thing, the "confusion" should not be a problem.

You can do what you want, I'm just pointing out it's an ignorant, and/or purposefully misleading thing to say.

It's basically an issue of you coming into this thread and perpetrating the exact behavior that the OP was complaining about, as if you didn't even read his post, and then trying to blame it on the rest of us.

You`re the one who hasn`t read the OP. The OP was complaining about his experience with Mac, despite expecting a pleasant one. This is similar to sartorial threads about a bad sales rep at a shoe store. The posts that follow are usually about good and bad experiences from other SF members who have shopped/visited the same store. After I post my experience, you are saying it is irrelevant because you don`t like the store in question to begin with.

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Your backtracking doesn't make much sense, considering the fact that he's already purchased the thing, now does it?

I'll just repeat myself.

Other people (include yourself) read these threads besides the OP. Even after this thread dies, people will read all this BS we are posting.

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It would have helped the OP even more if he'd have listened to me to begin with, because his shit would likely still work instead of feeling frustrated with the supposed "easy" computing experience that Apple offers, and worrying that he just spent $2k on a something he's going to have to "live with" instead.

Sorry Douglas.

Nothing works perfectly. Apple`s don`t and neither do "Non-Apples" (is that the right term?..do I sound smart now?)

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You can do what you want, I'm just pointing out it's an ignorant, and/or purposefully misdirecting thing to say.

You`re the one who hasn`t read the OP. The OP was complaining about his experience with Mac, despite expecting a pleasant one.

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What a joke. I thought this was supposed to be a pleasant experience but this f***ing computer is a piece of shit, there is nobody to help, it crashes, my iTunes account (which worked fine before) suddenly is no longer valid, none of my prior purchases are recognized, and the whole experience is like dealing with the MVA. Mac sucks, don't buy into their shit. They're as bad as MS. Worse when you consider the attitudes.

Uh huh. Who in the world would have ever given him the idea that switching to Mac would be a "pleasant experience"??? Pretty clear to me that he's complaining about a couple of things. One of which is being misled by people posting things like what you posted about how "easy" and "simple" and whatever it is, as well as the belief that it "just works" and doesn't have the problems that every other mass produced computer has, when in fact it does. When he says "Don't buy into their shit" (I read that to be Apple's marketing hype, the OP can tell me if I'm wrong or not) And then like five posts later, you are hyping up Apple according to their street team marketing tactics - I just found it to be somewhat ironic. When's the last time you heard me advocate buying a brand of computer? I don't believe I ever have. I'm a big proponent of building your own, or having one custom built. Always have been, always will be. I prefer Windows, but honestly, I don't care what OS you use. Kinda hard to accuse me of the same tactics you just used when the thread is here for everyone to see.