FTA:Tasnim, another semi-official news agency close to the Guard, reported that "an investigation" has found that the Nimitz-class carriers used by the U.S. could be seriously damaged or destroyed if 24 missiles were fired simultaneously.

pizen:FTA: Tasnim, another semi-official news agency close to the Guard, reported that "an investigation" has found that the Nimitz-class carriers used by the U.S. could be seriously damaged or destroyed if 24 missiles were fired simultaneously.

Probably best not to underestimate them. I mean, they'd never win against the US Navy but they could still kill a lot of men. Read up on the Millennium Challenge 2002 (MC202) to get the idea of what Iran could do if they had someone half competent in charge of their Armed Services.

I think they took the video down, but they used to have one on YouTube with a female narrator talking about the modern and advanced Islamic Iranian Navy's submarine force, while the video showed some very nice wooden models of submarines on Lucite stands in a small gallery.

Even when it was up, comments had been disabled for this video by the request of the video's poster.

I pray for the men on our fifteen Nimitz-class carriers that have to operate in fear of these wooden models.

TuteTibiImperes:Of course, when your entire command, control, and communications infrastructure is destroyed within hours of war breaking out, it makes it much more difficult to coordinate those 24 missiles.

I realize this isn't the Iranian naval command, but about 12 years ago, the US gamed an invasion of Iran. The US officer in charge of being Iran simply had the Iranians load explosives into Zodiacs and told them to zerg-rush the US naval vessels, but not giving any further directions. The judges declared he ended up sinking everything in the Gulf, even accounting for the US using reasonable countermeasures. Don't get cocky about technological superiority quite yet, hoss

iheartscotch:mjones71822: iheartscotch: Good luck getting close enough to a Nimitz-class carrier to fire those 24 rockets.

/ Me thinks they forgot about the usual escort of carriers; ie destroyers. Also, what the carrier actually has in her.

Babies right? It's totally babies.

No, it's F-18 super hornets. With a top speed of 1,100ish mph; the carrier could hang 200 miles out to sea and the hornets could get to Iran in 15ish minutes.

/ no, I am far too lazy to do the actual math; that would involve effort

So you are saying that attacking a US carrier battle group would be something akin to a twelve year old boy prodding a nest of stinging insects with some sort of stick or branch? A "hornets' nest" as it were?

phalamir:I realize this isn't the Iranian naval command, but about 12 years ago, the US gamed an invasion of Iran. The US officer in charge of being Iran simply had the Iranians load explosives into Zodiacs and told them to zerg-rush the US naval vessels, but not giving any further directions. The judges declared he ended up sinking everything in the Gulf, even accounting for the US using reasonable countermeasures. Don't get cocky about technological superiority quite yet, hoss

The reason they were able to were largely due to rules of engagement, which have since been tweaked following that and the USS Cole incident

phalamir:TuteTibiImperes: Of course, when your entire command, control, and communications infrastructure is destroyed within hours of war breaking out, it makes it much more difficult to coordinate those 24 missiles.

I realize this isn't the Iranian naval command, but about 12 years ago, the US gamed an invasion of Iran. The US officer in charge of being Iran simply had the Iranians load explosives into Zodiacs and told them to zerg-rush the US naval vessels, but not giving any further directions. The judges declared he ended up sinking everything in the Gulf, even accounting for the US using reasonable countermeasures. Don't get cocky about technological superiority quite yet, hoss

Boobiesie Poot and now Iran, is there no scumbag dictator you right wing "patriots" won't swoon over hoss?

phalamir:TuteTibiImperes: Of course, when your entire command, control, and communications infrastructure is destroyed within hours of war breaking out, it makes it much more difficult to coordinate those 24 missiles.

I realize this isn't the Iranian naval command, but about 12 years ago, the US gamed an invasion of Iran. The US officer in charge of being Iran simply had the Iranians load explosives into Zodiacs and told them to zerg-rush the US naval vessels, but not giving any further directions. The judges declared he ended up sinking everything in the Gulf, even accounting for the US using reasonable countermeasures. Don't get cocky about technological superiority quite yet, hoss

They obviously haven't read Clancy's "Executive Orders" or seen the movie "Deterrence".

phalamir:TuteTibiImperes: Of course, when your entire command, control, and communications infrastructure is destroyed within hours of war breaking out, it makes it much more difficult to coordinate those 24 missiles.

I realize this isn't the Iranian naval command, but about 12 years ago, the US gamed an invasion of Iran. The US officer in charge of being Iran simply had the Iranians load explosives into Zodiacs and told them to zerg-rush the US naval vessels, but not giving any further directions. The judges declared he ended up sinking everything in the Gulf, even accounting for the US using reasonable countermeasures. Don't get cocky about technological superiority quite yet, hoss

And as I recall, Iran has a bunch of speed boats and are working on ground-effect craft to do exactly that. Plus their little diesel subs can operate in the gulf just fine because of the noise of traffic there. They can do some damage too.

ScaryBottles:phalamir: TuteTibiImperes: Of course, when your entire command, control, and communications infrastructure is destroyed within hours of war breaking out, it makes it much more difficult to coordinate those 24 missiles.

I realize this isn't the Iranian naval command, but about 12 years ago, the US gamed an invasion of Iran. The US officer in charge of being Iran simply had the Iranians load explosives into Zodiacs and told them to zerg-rush the US naval vessels, but not giving any further directions. The judges declared he ended up sinking everything in the Gulf, even accounting for the US using reasonable countermeasures. Don't get cocky about technological superiority quite yet, hossBoobiesie Poot and now Iran, is there no scumbag dictator you right wing "patriots" won't swoon over hoss?

cgraves67:phalamir: TuteTibiImperes: Of course, when your entire command, control, and communications infrastructure is destroyed within hours of war breaking out, it makes it much more difficult to coordinate those 24 missiles.

I realize this isn't the Iranian naval command, but about 12 years ago, the US gamed an invasion of Iran. The US officer in charge of being Iran simply had the Iranians load explosives into Zodiacs and told them to zerg-rush the US naval vessels, but not giving any further directions. The judges declared he ended up sinking everything in the Gulf, even accounting for the US using reasonable countermeasures. Don't get cocky about technological superiority quite yet, hoss

And as I recall, Iran has a bunch of speed boats and are working on ground-effect craft to do exactly that. Plus their little diesel subs can operate in the gulf just fine because of the noise of traffic there. They can do some damage too.

ScaryBottles:ScaryBottles: phalamir: TuteTibiImperes: Of course, when your entire command, control, and communications infrastructure is destroyed within hours of war breaking out, it makes it much more difficult to coordinate those 24 missiles.

I realize this isn't the Iranian naval command, but about 12 years ago, the US gamed an invasion of Iran. The US officer in charge of being Iran simply had the Iranians load explosives into Zodiacs and told them to zerg-rush the US naval vessels, but not giving any further directions. The judges declared he ended up sinking everything in the Gulf, even accounting for the US using reasonable countermeasures. Don't get cocky about technological superiority quite yet, hossBoobiesie Poot and now Iran, is there no scumbag dictator you right wing "patriots" won't swoon over hoss?

Caffienatedjedi:Probably best not to underestimate them. I mean, they'd never win against the US Navy but they could still kill a lot of men. Read up on the Millennium Challenge 2002 (MC202) to get the idea of what Iran could do if they had someone half competent in charge of their Armed Services.

If you read up on it yourself you would see it required huge logical leaps for the Iranians to win, such as instant resupply.

The Bestest:So.. do these exercises take the escort ships into account? You know, like Aegis cruisers?

I'm guessing they're looking to simulate the size of a carrier, like a "could we hit the side of a barn" test with a really big barn. Adding 40 support ships, 150 piloted aircraft, and 500 aerial and underwater drones firing at them would be really distracting, and isn't a fair test of whether they can hit a solitary anchored barge that's a third of a kilometer long.

Iran's first target would be the oil tankers and freighters. Then, when NATO has to run convoys through the Strait of Hormuz, things get a little more hairy. They can lob missiles from mobile batteries from their side or send out small craft full of explosives. It'll be greasy but Iran can't win. Each NATO navy has been training for this ever since their revolution and especially since the fall of communism. They're ready. On another note, this would be an interesting time for Iran to do something with Russia being stupid on the other side of the Black Sea. Sounds like something Tom Clancy would think up.

The Bestest:phalamir: I realize this isn't the Iranian naval command, but about 12 years ago, the US gamed an invasion of Iran. The US officer in charge of being Iran simply had the Iranians load explosives into Zodiacs and told them to zerg-rush the US naval vessels, but not giving any further directions. The judges declared he ended up sinking everything in the Gulf, even accounting for the US using reasonable countermeasures. Don't get cocky about technological superiority quite yet, hoss

The reason they were able to were largely due to rules of engagement, which have since been tweaked following that and the USS Cole incident

No. He bested them fair and square. Then they refloated the fleet and had him stick to a script because he didn't stick to the rules of engagement.

BTW the "rules of engagement" are "beat the other guy", not "what's printed ont he inside lid of Candyland".

ScaryBottles:phalamir: TuteTibiImperes: Of course, when your entire command, control, and communications infrastructure is destroyed within hours of war breaking out, it makes it much more difficult to coordinate those 24 missiles.

I realize this isn't the Iranian naval command, but about 12 years ago, the US gamed an invasion of Iran. The US officer in charge of being Iran simply had the Iranians load explosives into Zodiacs and told them to zerg-rush the US naval vessels, but not giving any further directions. The judges declared he ended up sinking everything in the Gulf, even accounting for the US using reasonable countermeasures. Don't get cocky about technological superiority quite yet, hossBoobiesie Poot and now Iran, is there no scumbag dictator you right wing "patriots" won't swoon over hoss?

I'm a just-short-of-atheist, pro-choice, anti-imperialist college professor. I'm about as far from right-wing as you can get - I think the Democrats are horribly conservative fascist traitors to the US fer fark's sake.* I've never though of "don't get cocky; people not born in the US can be clever too" as a right-wing position, but evidently you consider American-exceptionalism-laced nativist bigotry is the lefty creed.

* And I'm getting more radical as I go on. I have told my wife she will have to use my first Social Security check to bail me out of jail for firebombing the Republican National Convention; she didn't laugh, but nodded resignedly.

iheartscotch:mjones71822: iheartscotch: Good luck getting close enough to a Nimitz-class carrier to fire those 24 rockets.

/ Me thinks they forgot about the usual escort of carriers; ie destroyers. Also, what the carrier actually has in her.

Babies right? It's totally babies.

No, it's F-18 super hornets. With a top speed of 1,100ish mph; the carrier could hang 200 miles out to sea and the hornets could get to Iran in 15ish minutes.

/ no, I am far too lazy to do the actual math; that would involve effort

And how many destroyers and attack subs with sea launch cruise missiles would suddenly rain down on them? The likelihood that Iran or really too many other countries could reliably find let alone attack a modern Va. class submarine is small.

sdd2000:iheartscotch: mjones71822: iheartscotch: Good luck getting close enough to a Nimitz-class carrier to fire those 24 rockets.

/ Me thinks they forgot about the usual escort of carriers; ie destroyers. Also, what the carrier actually has in her.

Babies right? It's totally babies.

No, it's F-18 super hornets. With a top speed of 1,100ish mph; the carrier could hang 200 miles out to sea and the hornets could get to Iran in 15ish minutes.

/ no, I am far too lazy to do the actual math; that would involve effort

And how many destroyers and attack subs with sea launch cruise missiles would suddenly rain down on them? The likelihood that Iran or really too many other countries could reliably find let alone attack a modern Va. class submarine is small.

I meant to make it clear that it would be the cruise missiles not the destroyers and attack subs that would rain down.

phalamir: I'm a just-short-of-atheist, pro-choice, anti-imperialist college professor. I'm about as far from right-wing as you can get - I think the Democrats are horribly conservative fascist traitors to the US fer fark's sake.* I've never though of "don't get cocky; people not born in the US can be clever too" as a right-wing position, but evidently you consider American-exceptionalism-laced nativist bigotry is the lefty creed.

Really because you sound just like all the derps around here who have congealed themselves into the Vladimir Putin fan club just swapping out Russia for Iran.

sdd2000:sdd2000: iheartscotch: mjones71822: iheartscotch: Good luck getting close enough to a Nimitz-class carrier to fire those 24 rockets.

/ Me thinks they forgot about the usual escort of carriers; ie destroyers. Also, what the carrier actually has in her.

Babies right? It's totally babies.

No, it's F-18 super hornets. With a top speed of 1,100ish mph; the carrier could hang 200 miles out to sea and the hornets could get to Iran in 15ish minutes.

/ no, I am far too lazy to do the actual math; that would involve effort

And how many destroyers and attack subs with sea launch cruise missiles would suddenly rain down on them? The likelihood that Iran or really too many other countries could reliably find let alone attack a modern Va. class submarine is small.

I meant to make it clear that it would be the cruise missiles not the destroyers and attack subs that would rain down.

I'm sorry; I'm busy imagining a bunch of those heavy lifting an attack sub and releasing it into the waters of the gulf. Or, maybe, fit some of those big turbine things from Capt. America on them

iheartscotch:sdd2000: sdd2000: iheartscotch: mjones71822: iheartscotch: Good luck getting close enough to a Nimitz-class carrier to fire those 24 rockets.

/ Me thinks they forgot about the usual escort of carriers; ie destroyers. Also, what the carrier actually has in her.

Babies right? It's totally babies.

No, it's F-18 super hornets. With a top speed of 1,100ish mph; the carrier could hang 200 miles out to sea and the hornets could get to Iran in 15ish minutes.

/ no, I am far too lazy to do the actual math; that would involve effort

And how many destroyers and attack subs with sea launch cruise missiles would suddenly rain down on them? The likelihood that Iran or really too many other countries could reliably find let alone attack a modern Va. class submarine is small.

I meant to make it clear that it would be the cruise missiles not the destroyers and attack subs that would rain down.

I'm sorry; I'm busy imagining a bunch of those heavy lifting an attack sub and releasing it into the waters of the gulf. Or, maybe, fit some of those big turbine things from Capt. America on them

BMFPitt:Sounds like a scrawny 27 year old douchebag saying if a bar fight ever broke out he'd beat up a group of UFC fighters.

The mma fighters are the biggest pussies, target the biggest douchbag who thinks going to play fight in underwear with other guys once a week makes him great at street fighting. Then watch the others run away. The pack mentality is too strong and they don't know what to do.

Prof. Phalamir, the only way the Iranians would have a decent shot at sinking a carrier would be if they were able to surprise it. Given the fact that, if we were to go to war with Iran, there would probably be some build up of "incidents" before we took action, I think a surprise attack would be a little far fetched. Consider , too, that if we were planning to attack Iran we'd strike their command and control , any and all forces on the ground or in port capable of attacking our ships, and obliterate their air arm in the first days of the "war".Add to that the fact that we have the acoustic signature of every submarine they have, so we'd be able to find them fairly quickly if they even made it out to sea. They might get lucky; but that's all it would be, luck.

shanteyman:Prof. Phalamir, the only way the Iranians would have a decent shot at sinking a carrier would be if they were able to surprise it. Given the fact that, if we were to go to war with Iran, there would probably be some build up of "incidents" before we took action, I think a surprise attack would be a little far fetched. Consider , too, that if we were planning to attack Iran we'd strike their command and control , any and all forces on the ground or in port capable of attacking our ships, and obliterate their air arm in the first days of the "war".Add to that the fact that we have the acoustic signature of every submarine they have, so we'd be able to find them fairly quickly if they even made it out to sea. They might get lucky; but that's all it would be, luck.

vonster:The scrawny 27 year old douchebag might get a hit or two in on the UFU guys but God help him after that.

And in a real war with Iran, rather than a sucker punch like Pearl Harbor, the action would probably be preceded by yelling, "Come at me, bro!" which would negate most of the probability of landing the first punch.

vonster:BMFPitt: Sounds like a scrawny 27 year old douchebag saying if a bar fight ever broke out he'd beat up a group of UFC fighters.

The scrawny 27 year old douchebag might get a hit or two in on the UFU guys but God help him after that.

The Iranians are hoping that one lucky punch will be enough to break the will of the American people. Once we start seeing our own destroyers getting towed back home on the news, suddenly we start to question if invading Iran is really worth it./strategy only valid if we decide it's not worth it//results may vary