CALI's buddy, Jackie Speier, promotes pedophilia

A California congresswoman wants to federalize a state law to prohibit counseling to change a person’s sexual orientation, including that of pedophiles. Rep.

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, Nov 29, 2012

A California congresswoman wants to federalize a state law to prohibit
counseling to change a person’s sexual orientation, including that of
pedophiles.
Rep. Jackie Speier has introduced a resolution that calls on states to
prohibit efforts to change a minor’s sexual orientation, even if the minor
requests it, saying doing so is “dangerous and harmful.”

The resolution is modeled after California’s SB 1172, which passed earlier
this year. The bill, which has several lawsuits pending against its
implementation, has been labeled by both opponents and supporters as “banning ‘
gay’ conversion therapy.”
However, the text of the legislation doesn’t specifically ban “gay”
conversion therapy but, instead, prohibits attempts to change a person’s sexual
orientation.
“‘Sexual orientation change efforts’ means any practices by mental health
providers that seek to change an individual’s sexual orientation. This
includes efforts to change behaviors or gender expressions, or to eliminate or
reduce sexual or romantic attractions or feelings toward individuals of the
same sex,” the bill says.
Speier’s resolution contains similar language saying, “It is the sense of
Congress that sexual orientation and gender identity or expression change
efforts directed at minors are … dangerous and harmful.”
However, the term “sexual orientation” is not defined in either the
California bill or Speier’s resolution.
“This language is so broad and vague, it arguably could include all forms
of sexual orientation including pedophilia,” said Brad Dacus, president of
the Pacific Justice Institute. “It’s not just the orientation that is
protected, the conduct associated with the orientation is protected as well.”
The resolution and SB 1172 define sexual orientation change efforts as
attempts to change the “behavior” associated with a person’s sexual
orientation.
Attorney Mat Staver, chairman of Liberty Counsel, which has filed a lawsuit
against the California law, said under the bill’s language a mental health
counselor could be sanctioned if there was an attempt to get a pedophile
to change his behavior or speak negatively about the behavior.
“If someone were to say their sexual orientation is toward young children
and a licensed mental health practitioner were to counsel against those
tendencies as opposed to affirming the behavior it is problematic and could
result in an ethical code violation by the counselor,” Staver said. “This is
an issue that is clearly lurking in this statute.”
In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association declassified homosexuality
from its list of mental disorders. A group of psychiatrists with B4U-Act
recently held a symposium proposing a new definition of pedophilia in the
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Health Disorders of the APA.
B4U-Act calls pedophiles “minor-attracted people. ” The organization’s
website states its purpose is to “help mental health professionals learn more
about attraction to minors and to consider the effects of stereotyping,
stigma and fear.”
In 1998, the APA issued a report claiming “that the ‘negative potential’
of adult sex with children was ‘overstated’ and that ‘the vast majority of
both men and women reported no negative sexual effects from childhood
sexual abuse experiences.’”
Pedophilia has already been granted protected status by the federal
government in a way. The Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes
Prevention Act lists “sexual orientation” as a protected class; however, it does
not define the term.
Republicans attempted to add an amendment specifying “pedophilia is not
covered as an orientation.” However, the amendment was defeated by Democrats.
Rep. Alcee Hastings, D-Fla., stated that all alternative sexual lifestyles
should be protected under the law.
“This bill addresses our resolve to end violence based on prejudice and to
guarantee that all Americans, regardless of race, color, religion, national
origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability or all
of these ‘philias’ and fetishes and ‘isms’ that were put forward need not
live in fear because of who they are. I urge my colleagues to vote in
favor of this rule,” he said while Congress was considering the plan.
The White House praised the bill saying, “At root, this isn’t just about
our laws; this is about who we are as a people. This is about whether we
value one another – whether we embrace our differences rather than allowing
them to become a source of animus.”
Earlier this year two psychologists in Canada declared that pedophilia is a
sexual orientation just like homosexuality or heterosexuality.
Hubert Van Gijseghem, a psychologist and retired professor at the
University of Montreal, told members of Parliament, “Pedophiles are not simply
people who commit a small offense from time to time but rather are grappling
with what is equivalent to a sexual orientation just like another individual
may be grappling with heterosexuality or even homosexuality.”
He went on to say: “True pedophiles have an exclusive preference for
children, which is the same as having a sexual orientation. You cannot change
this person’s sexual orientation. He may, however, remain abstinent.”
When asked if he should be comparing pedophiles to homosexuals, Van
Gijseghem replied, “If, for instance, you were living in a society where
heterosexuality is proscribed or prohibited and you were told that you had to get
therapy to change your sexual orientation, you would probably say that that
is slightly crazy. In other words, you would not accept that at all. I use
this analogy to say that, yes indeed, pedophiles do not change their sexual
orientation.”
Vernon Lewis Quinsey, professor emeritus of psychology at Queen’s
University in Kingston, Ontario, agreed with Van Gijseghem. Quinsey said pedophiles’
sexual interests prefer children and, “There is no evidence that this sort
of preference can be changed through treatment or through anything else.”
In July 2010, Harvard Health Publications said:”Pedophilia is a sexual
orientation and unlikely to change. Treatment aims to enable someone to resist
acting on his sexual urges.”
“The courts could very well find themselves constrained to apply it
pedophilia conduct as well as homosexual conduct,” Staver said.
He said the law could also be problematic as court-ordered counseling
sessions are often a requirement for pedophiles placed on probation. The law
would prevent court appointed counselors from criticizing a pedophile’s
behavior.
“All of that would be affected by this law,” Staver said.
Staver believes the ultimate goal of supporters is to expand the definition
of counselor to include non-licensed persons as well.
“It’s just a matter of time before the state will expand the definition to
include non-licensed counselors such as pastoral counseling. These radical
legislators want people to force people to receive and counselors to
provide only an affirmation of same-sex relationships and anything to the
contrary they want to ban.”

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MitchD

wanna get really sick,read about the doctor who was the expert on parental alienation syndrome (PAS) google it not for the weak....... Mitch Davis TSCM/Special

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wanna get really sick,read about the doctor who was the expert on
parental alienation syndrome (PAS)
google it not for the weak.......

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On 11/29/2012 8:40 PM, suesarkis@... wrote:
>
>
> A California congresswoman wants to federalize a state law to prohibit
> counseling to change a person’s sexual orientation, including that of
> pedophiles.
> Rep. Jackie Speier has introduced a resolution that calls on states to
> prohibit efforts to change a minor’s sexual orientation, even if the
> minor
> requests it, saying doing so is “dangerous and harmful.”
>
>
> The resolution is modeled after California’s SB 1172, which passed
> earlier
> this year. The bill, which has several lawsuits pending against its
> implementation, has been labeled by both opponents and supporters as
> “banning ‘
> gay’ conversion therapy.”
> However, the text of the legislation doesn’t specifically ban “gay”
> conversion therapy but, instead, prohibits attempts to change a
> person’s sexual
> orientation.
> “‘Sexual orientation change efforts’ means any practices by mental health
> providers that seek to change an individual’s sexual orientation. This
> includes efforts to change behaviors or gender expressions, or to
> eliminate or
> reduce sexual or romantic attractions or feelings toward individuals
> of the
> same sex,” the bill says.
> Speier’s resolution contains similar language saying, “It is the sense of
> Congress that sexual orientation and gender identity or expression change
> efforts directed at minors are … dangerous and harmful.”
> However, the term “sexual orientation” is not defined in either the
> California bill or Speier’s resolution.
> “This language is so broad and vague, it arguably could include all forms
> of sexual orientation including pedophilia,” said Brad Dacus,
> president of
> the Pacific Justice Institute. “It’s not just the orientation that is
> protected, the conduct associated with the orientation is protected as
> well.”
> The resolution and SB 1172 define sexual orientation change efforts as
> attempts to change the “behavior” associated with a person’s sexual
> orientation.
> Attorney Mat Staver, chairman of Liberty Counsel, which has filed a
> lawsuit
> against the California law, said under the bill’s language a mental
> health
> counselor could be sanctioned if there was an attempt to get a pedophile
> to change his behavior or speak negatively about the behavior.
> “If someone were to say their sexual orientation is toward young children
> and a licensed mental health practitioner were to counsel against those
> tendencies as opposed to affirming the behavior it is problematic and
> could
> result in an ethical code violation by the counselor,” Staver said.
> “This is
> an issue that is clearly lurking in this statute.”
> In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association declassified homosexuality
> from its list of mental disorders. A group of psychiatrists with B4U-Act
> recently held a symposium proposing a new definition of pedophilia in the
> Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Health Disorders of the APA.
> B4U-Act calls pedophiles “minor-attracted people. ” The organization’s
> website states its purpose is to “help mental health professionals
> learn more
> about attraction to minors and to consider the effects of stereotyping,
> stigma and fear.”
> In 1998, the APA issued a report claiming “that the ‘negative potential’
> of adult sex with children was ‘overstated’ and that ‘the vast
> majority of
> both men and women reported no negative sexual effects from childhood
> sexual abuse experiences.’”
> Pedophilia has already been granted protected status by the federal
> government in a way. The Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes
> Prevention Act lists “sexual orientation” as a protected class;
> however, it does
> not define the term.
> Republicans attempted to add an amendment specifying “pedophilia is not
> covered as an orientation.” However, the amendment was defeated by
> Democrats.
> Rep. Alcee Hastings, D-Fla., stated that all alternative sexual
> lifestyles
> should be protected under the law.
> “This bill addresses our resolve to end violence based on prejudice
> and to
> guarantee that all Americans, regardless of race, color, religion,
> national
> origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability or all
> of these ‘philias’ and fetishes and ‘isms’ that were put forward need not
> live in fear because of who they are. I urge my colleagues to vote in
> favor of this rule,” he said while Congress was considering the plan.
> The White House praised the bill saying, “At root, this isn’t just about
> our laws; this is about who we are as a people. This is about whether we
> value one another – whether we embrace our differences rather than
> allowing
> them to become a source of animus.”
> Earlier this year two psychologists in Canada declared that pedophilia
> is a
> sexual orientation just like homosexuality or heterosexuality.
> Hubert Van Gijseghem, a psychologist and retired professor at the
> University of Montreal, told members of Parliament, “Pedophiles are
> not simply
> people who commit a small offense from time to time but rather are
> grappling
> with what is equivalent to a sexual orientation just like another
> individual
> may be grappling with heterosexuality or even homosexuality.”
> He went on to say: “True pedophiles have an exclusive preference for
> children, which is the same as having a sexual orientation. You cannot
> change
> this person’s sexual orientation. He may, however, remain abstinent.”
> When asked if he should be comparing pedophiles to homosexuals, Van
> Gijseghem replied, “If, for instance, you were living in a society where
> heterosexuality is proscribed or prohibited and you were told that you
> had to get
> therapy to change your sexual orientation, you would probably say that
> that
> is slightly crazy. In other words, you would not accept that at all. I
> use
> this analogy to say that, yes indeed, pedophiles do not change their
> sexual
> orientation.”
> Vernon Lewis Quinsey, professor emeritus of psychology at Queen’s
> University in Kingston, Ontario, agreed with Van Gijseghem. Quinsey
> said pedophiles’
> sexual interests prefer children and, “There is no evidence that this
> sort
> of preference can be changed through treatment or through anything else.”
> In July 2010, Harvard Health Publications said:”Pedophilia is a sexual
> orientation and unlikely to change. Treatment aims to enable someone
> to resist
> acting on his sexual urges.”
> “The courts could very well find themselves constrained to apply it
> pedophilia conduct as well as homosexual conduct,” Staver said.
> He said the law could also be problematic as court-ordered counseling
> sessions are often a requirement for pedophiles placed on probation.
> The law
> would prevent court appointed counselors from criticizing a pedophile’s
> behavior.
> “All of that would be affected by this law,” Staver said.
> Staver believes the ultimate goal of supporters is to expand the
> definition
> of counselor to include non-licensed persons as well.
> “It’s just a matter of time before the state will expand the
> definition to
> include non-licensed counselors such as pastoral counseling. These
> radical
> legislators want people to force people to receive and counselors to
> provide only an affirmation of same-sex relationships and anything to the
> contrary they want to ban.”
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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PS the doc of question is richard gardener who is now dead..... if anyone deals with custody,dcs issues,and the like u probably need to learn about pas,it

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PS the doc of question is richard gardener who is now dead.....
if anyone deals with custody,dcs issues,and the like u probably need to
learn about pas,it frequently comes up mysteriously during divorces and
custody battles.

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On 11/29/2012 9:10 PM, MitchD wrote:
>
> wanna get really sick,read about the doctor who was the expert on
> parental alienation syndrome (PAS)
> google it not for the weak.......
>
> Mitch Davis
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> On 11/29/2012 8:40 PM, suesarkis@... <mailto:suesarkis%40aol.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > A California congresswoman wants to federalize a state law to prohibit
> > counseling to change a person’s sexual orientation, including that of
> > pedophiles.
> > Rep. Jackie Speier has introduced a resolution that calls on states to
> > prohibit efforts to change a minor’s sexual orientation, even if the
> > minor
> > requests it, saying doing so is “dangerous and harmful.”
> >
> >
> > The resolution is modeled after California’s SB 1172, which passed
> > earlier
> > this year. The bill, which has several lawsuits pending against its
> > implementation, has been labeled by both opponents and supporters as
> > “banning ‘
> > gay’ conversion therapy.”
> > However, the text of the legislation doesn’t specifically ban “gay”
> > conversion therapy but, instead, prohibits attempts to change a
> > person’s sexual
> > orientation.
> > “‘Sexual orientation change efforts’ means any practices by mental
> health
> > providers that seek to change an individual’s sexual orientation. This
> > includes efforts to change behaviors or gender expressions, or to
> > eliminate or
> > reduce sexual or romantic attractions or feelings toward individuals
> > of the
> > same sex,” the bill says.
> > Speier’s resolution contains similar language saying, “It is the
> sense of
> > Congress that sexual orientation and gender identity or expression
> change
> > efforts directed at minors are … dangerous and harmful.”
> > However, the term “sexual orientation” is not defined in either the
> > California bill or Speier’s resolution.
> > “This language is so broad and vague, it arguably could include all
> forms
> > of sexual orientation including pedophilia,” said Brad Dacus,
> > president of
> > the Pacific Justice Institute. “It’s not just the orientation that is
> > protected, the conduct associated with the orientation is protected as
> > well.”
> > The resolution and SB 1172 define sexual orientation change efforts as
> > attempts to change the “behavior” associated with a person’s sexual
> > orientation.
> > Attorney Mat Staver, chairman of Liberty Counsel, which has filed a
> > lawsuit
> > against the California law, said under the bill’s language a mental
> > health
> > counselor could be sanctioned if there was an attempt to get a pedophile
> > to change his behavior or speak negatively about the behavior.
> > “If someone were to say their sexual orientation is toward young
> children
> > and a licensed mental health practitioner were to counsel against those
> > tendencies as opposed to affirming the behavior it is problematic and
> > could
> > result in an ethical code violation by the counselor,” Staver said.
> > “This is
> > an issue that is clearly lurking in this statute.”
> > In 1973, the American Psychiatric Association declassified homosexuality
> > from its list of mental disorders. A group of psychiatrists with B4U-Act
> > recently held a symposium proposing a new definition of pedophilia
> in the
> > Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Health Disorders of the APA.
> > B4U-Act calls pedophiles “minor-attracted people. ” The organization’s
> > website states its purpose is to “help mental health professionals
> > learn more
> > about attraction to minors and to consider the effects of stereotyping,
> > stigma and fear.”
> > In 1998, the APA issued a report claiming “that the ‘negative potential’
> > of adult sex with children was ‘overstated’ and that ‘the vast
> > majority of
> > both men and women reported no negative sexual effects from childhood
> > sexual abuse experiences.’”
> > Pedophilia has already been granted protected status by the federal
> > government in a way. The Matthew Shepard and James Byrd Jr. Hate Crimes
> > Prevention Act lists “sexual orientation” as a protected class;
> > however, it does
> > not define the term.
> > Republicans attempted to add an amendment specifying “pedophilia is not
> > covered as an orientation.” However, the amendment was defeated by
> > Democrats.
> > Rep. Alcee Hastings, D-Fla., stated that all alternative sexual
> > lifestyles
> > should be protected under the law.
> > “This bill addresses our resolve to end violence based on prejudice
> > and to
> > guarantee that all Americans, regardless of race, color, religion,
> > national
> > origin, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability
> or all
> > of these ‘philias’ and fetishes and ‘isms’ that were put forward
> need not
> > live in fear because of who they are. I urge my colleagues to vote in
> > favor of this rule,” he said while Congress was considering the plan.
> > The White House praised the bill saying, “At root, this isn’t just about
> > our laws; this is about who we are as a people. This is about whether we
> > value one another – whether we embrace our differences rather than
> > allowing
> > them to become a source of animus.”
> > Earlier this year two psychologists in Canada declared that pedophilia
> > is a
> > sexual orientation just like homosexuality or heterosexuality.
> > Hubert Van Gijseghem, a psychologist and retired professor at the
> > University of Montreal, told members of Parliament, “Pedophiles are
> > not simply
> > people who commit a small offense from time to time but rather are
> > grappling
> > with what is equivalent to a sexual orientation just like another
> > individual
> > may be grappling with heterosexuality or even homosexuality.”
> > He went on to say: “True pedophiles have an exclusive preference for
> > children, which is the same as having a sexual orientation. You cannot
> > change
> > this person’s sexual orientation. He may, however, remain abstinent.”
> > When asked if he should be comparing pedophiles to homosexuals, Van
> > Gijseghem replied, “If, for instance, you were living in a society where
> > heterosexuality is proscribed or prohibited and you were told that you
> > had to get
> > therapy to change your sexual orientation, you would probably say that
> > that
> > is slightly crazy. In other words, you would not accept that at all. I
> > use
> > this analogy to say that, yes indeed, pedophiles do not change their
> > sexual
> > orientation.”
> > Vernon Lewis Quinsey, professor emeritus of psychology at Queen’s
> > University in Kingston, Ontario, agreed with Van Gijseghem. Quinsey
> > said pedophiles’
> > sexual interests prefer children and, “There is no evidence that this
> > sort
> > of preference can be changed through treatment or through anything
> else.”
> > In July 2010, Harvard Health Publications said:”Pedophilia is a sexual
> > orientation and unlikely to change. Treatment aims to enable someone
> > to resist
> > acting on his sexual urges.”
> > “The courts could very well find themselves constrained to apply it
> > pedophilia conduct as well as homosexual conduct,” Staver said.
> > He said the law could also be problematic as court-ordered counseling
> > sessions are often a requirement for pedophiles placed on probation.
> > The law
> > would prevent court appointed counselors from criticizing a pedophile’s
> > behavior.
> > “All of that would be affected by this law,” Staver said.
> > Staver believes the ultimate goal of supporters is to expand the
> > definition
> > of counselor to include non-licensed persons as well.
> > “It’s just a matter of time before the state will expand the
> > definition to
> > include non-licensed counselors such as pastoral counseling. These
> > radical
> > legislators want people to force people to receive and counselors to
> > provide only an affirmation of same-sex relationships and anything
> to the
> > contrary they want to ban.”
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
>
> --
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