what do they both have? a very good defense, with solid run game, above average qb (not great). We have 2 of 3, run game would be better if a D actually considered mark to be any threat to throw..

Bullspit. Ravens gave up 35 and SF is up to 24, probably more when this game is over. There's no such thing as good defense anymore. In fact, good defense does nothing but lose heartbreaking games in the NFL. This is a league that demands you put up 30-40+ points. Period. The whole "defense wins championships" strategy is loooooooong gone. What both Harbaugh's have done is build teams that can score and score often. So long as they continue to do so they will win. This is why we will never win with Rex Ryan, trying to win with Defense will only eventually result in a heartbreaking awful loss once you'r in a position where you need to score points and can't because all your chips are on the wrong side of the ball.

Bullspit. Ravens gave up 35 and SF is up to 24, probably more when this game is over. There's no such thing as good defense anymore. In fact, good defense does nothing but lose heartbreaking games in the NFL. This is a league that demands you put up 30-40+ points. Period. The whole "defense wins championships" strategy is loooooooong gone. What both Harbaugh's have done is build teams that can score and score often. So long as they continue to do so they will win. This is why we will never win with Rex Ryan, trying to win with Defense will only eventually result in a heartbreaking awful loss once you'r in a position where you need to score points and can't because all your chips are on the wrong side of the ball.

did you watch the games? Denver d lost the game at the end of reg. Ravens/9ers both have much better d's than denver/greenbay d's. but your not going to hold 2 of the best qbs in the nfl to 10 points.. The losers had the much better qbs, but no defense.. Patriots have been a near top seed every year but have been eliminated by underdogs every yr for past 8 years since they have no defense. But yes they always have best offense.. Giants were not great, and barely made playoffs last yr. but their DEFENSE won the superbowl..

did you watch the games? Denver d lost the game at the end of reg. Ravens/9ers both have much better d's than denver/greenbay d's. but your not going to hold 2 of the best qbs in the nfl to 10 points.. The losers had the much better qbs, but no defense.. Patriots have been a near top seed every year but have been eliminated by underdogs every yr for past 8 years since they have no defense. But yes they always have best offense.. Giants were not great, and barely made playoffs last yr. but their DEFENSE won the superbowl..

If I'm not mistaken DEN had the #4 D in the league this year. Ravens D was around 12. Your argument is completely false. building a team around a great D gets you nowhere. Period. You start in the NFL by building an offense that can score 30+ points. The D comes next. If your D plays well, fantastic. If not, well you can score 30+ points... None of the defenses did anything in either game tonight. If you think they did then you haven't been watching football very long. Defense is extinct.

what do they both have? a very good defense, with solid run game, above average qb (not great). We have 2 of 3, run game would be better if a D actually considered mark to be any threat to throw..

It's scary that you don't understand we have 0 of the 3. Our running game is inconsistent, our defense has no LBs other than David Harris (soon to also have no safeties but our rookies) and our defense is horrible in the clutch, and a QB we ruined and who has no WRs that can catch.

And I don't hate the Harbaugh's, i wish they could adopt another son so we had somebody to hire.