Wag the dog or any other misdirection action they can think of. Don't let them fool you.

* Live simply. Love generously. Care deeply.** Resistance to Tyrants, is obedience to God. * Thomas Jefferson*Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property... Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them.* Thomas Paine

Do you mean kind of like this winter when Obama picked a fight with the Roman Catholic church over women's health rights?

Click to expand...

Do women in the USA actually have health rights?? Or are you just referring to a woman's right to control her fertility or to decide herself when and if she will fall pregnant, or, if she should fall pregnant, whether or not she will carry the pregnancy to full term, without reference to the doctrinal strictures of clerics and religions that she has no affiliation with anyway?

Rules are for the guidance of the wise, and the blind obedience of fools. - unsourced

To deny your oppressor's, or your own humanity is to descend into barbarism. - V. Chelloveck

Survival is a battle for the mind...mainly one's own. - V. Chelloveck

A beautiful idea founded on faulty reasoning is like a turd wrapped in gold foil, tinsel and glitter. Neither are wholesome if swollowed whole! - V. Chelloveck

What is a religion, but a cult with a larger following and a veneer of respectability. - V.C.

Do women in the USA actually have health rights?? Or are you just referring to a woman's right to control her fertility or to decide herself when and if she will fall pregnant, or, if she should fall pregnant, whether or not she will carry the pregnancy to full term, without reference to the doctrinal strictures of clerics and religions that she has no affiliation with anyway?

Click to expand...

It was about contraceptives and Catholic church affiliated organizations providing them out of mandate by the gov't and the church saying "no". But the commies just called it "Womens' health rights" because it was "for the children".

When will 0bama come out of the closet about jobs, the economy, the deficit energy prices etc?

Heraclitus:
“Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.”

Heraclitus:
“Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.”

Quote:
<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset" class=alt2>Originally Posted by chelloveckDo women in the USA actually have health rights?? Or are you just referring to a woman's right to control her fertility or to decide herself when and if she will fall pregnant, or, if she should fall pregnant, whether or not she will carry the pregnancy to full term, without reference to the doctrinal strictures of clerics and religions that she has no affiliation with anyway?

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
It was about contraceptives and Catholic church affiliated organizations providing them out of mandate by the gov't and the church saying "no". But the commies just called it "Womens' health rights" because it was "for the children".<!-- google_ad_section_end -->

It seems that some of the Church's clergy and laity have taken the Pope's position very proactively.

Of the medical services organisations affiliated with the Catholic Church, are they fully funded by the Church or are they government funded? If they are government funded, ought not tax payers who use those services be free to be provided the services (that are legal in the secular community) that their taxes have contributed to funding? If the Church has ethical qualms about providing contraceptive products or family planning based on contraceptive usage, then it perhaps ought not be holding its hand out for the Government dollar.

Rules are for the guidance of the wise, and the blind obedience of fools. - unsourced

To deny your oppressor's, or your own humanity is to descend into barbarism. - V. Chelloveck

Survival is a battle for the mind...mainly one's own. - V. Chelloveck

A beautiful idea founded on faulty reasoning is like a turd wrapped in gold foil, tinsel and glitter. Neither are wholesome if swollowed whole! - V. Chelloveck

What is a religion, but a cult with a larger following and a veneer of respectability. - V.C.

It would seem that the Catholic Church is also prone to using the justification of doing thingsThe Church has the out of court settlements to prove it.

I find the Pope's own words (about the Church's opposition to G&L marriage) flesh crawlingly ironic.....

It seems that some of the Church's clergy and laity have taken the Pope's position very proactively.

Of the medical services organisations affiliated with the Catholic Church, are they fully funded by the Church or are they government funded? If they are government funded, ought not tax payers who use those services be free to be provided the services (that are legal in the secular community) that their taxes have contributed to funding? If the Church has ethical qualms about providing contraceptive products or family planning based on contraceptive usage, then it perhaps ought not be holding its hand out for the Government dollar.

Click to expand...

Let me put it to you this way. I could give two shits what the church thinks, says, or does. But if the gov't doesn't represent what it does with MY money STOLEN from my pocket, then they can kiss my ass on all these public offerings. I would go so far as to completely eliminate welfare ENTIRELY. Medicaid, Medicare, SS, AND corporate welfare as well. All they do is subsidize death.

I would go so far as to completely eliminate welfare ENTIRELY. Medicaid, Medicare, SS, AND corporate welfare as well.

Click to expand...

Some of US, older Monkeys are collecting our SS Money that WE PAID into the System, for 50 Years. Yet some of our Monkey Brothers would seem to want to deprive US, of those Funds, that WE PAID into the System. How can THAT Be Justified, in anyones mind? Inquiring Minds want to Know......

Bruce in alaska (BTPost) An Atheist will never be able to say, "I TOLD YOU SO"!! ....

Some of US, older Monkeys are collecting our SS Money that WE PAID into the System, for 50 Years. Yet some of our Monkey Brothers would seem to want to deprive US, of those Funds, that WE PAID into the System. How can THAT Be Justified, in anyones mind? Inquiring Minds want to Know......

Click to expand...

I don't think Ugrev was suggesting that contributors to SS should forfeit their contributions, I think that he was suggesting that it should be left to the individual to make their own arrangements for SS rather than being compelled to use a particular system mandated by the government.

Rules are for the guidance of the wise, and the blind obedience of fools. - unsourced

To deny your oppressor's, or your own humanity is to descend into barbarism. - V. Chelloveck

Survival is a battle for the mind...mainly one's own. - V. Chelloveck

A beautiful idea founded on faulty reasoning is like a turd wrapped in gold foil, tinsel and glitter. Neither are wholesome if swollowed whole! - V. Chelloveck

What is a religion, but a cult with a larger following and a veneer of respectability. - V.C.

Some of US, older Monkeys are collecting our SS Money that WE PAID into the System, for 50 Years. Yet some of our Monkey Brothers would seem to want to deprive US, of those Funds, that WE PAID into the System. How can THAT Be Justified, in anyones mind? Inquiring Minds want to Know......

Click to expand...

You got suckered like the rest of us? It's gone.. and whether you realize it or not, you paid for the generation ahead of you and I'm paying for you. So you're not getting YOUR money back, you're getting MY money. See how that works?

Aside from that.. it should stop, right now. NO MORE SS contributions from any new workers to the systems. It's time for people to start shoring up their own life-styles. Further more, in order for this to happen without sending people into immediate poverty, or having to work until the instant they die.. we must stabilize and revitalize our MONEY, not just our currency.

Some of US, older Monkeys are collecting our SS Money that WE PAID into the System, for 50 Years. Yet some of our Monkey Brothers would seem to want to deprive US, of those Funds, that WE PAID into the System. How can THAT Be Justified, in anyones mind? Inquiring Minds want to Know......

Click to expand...

I will give up what I've paid in right now--25 years of working....as long as I don't have to pay anymore in. I think there are a lot of Americans who would do the same. It's not a benefit......it's a tax. Your money is gone.

The very fact that politicians borrow from this fund shows that it is not sacrosanct to them, yet the mere utterance of doing away with it causes people to get a bee in their bonnet. This is the biggest scam ever done on the American people and a cash cow.