Lebanon confirms holding Baghdadi’s ex wife , daughter

Nohad Machnouk told Lebanon’s MTV television that the child’s mother, who is also in custody, was now believed to be one of Baghdadi’s ex-wives.

On Tuesday, Lebanese security officials said they had detained his wife and child at a border crossing with Syria.

But Iraq’s government later insisted the woman was not married to Baghdadi.

It said the woman – identified as Saja al-Dulaimi – was the daughter of an active member of al-Qaeda’s affiliate in Syria, al-Nusra Front.

She is also thought to have been detained by the Syrian authorities before being freed in March as part of a prisoner exchange with al-Nusra.

Pregnant
Late on Wednesday, Mr Machnouk told MTV that Ms Dulaimi had been traveling with two sons and a daughter when they were detained by the army two weeks ago.

“Dulaimi is not Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi’s wife currently. She has been married three times: first to a man from the former Iraqi regime, with whom she had two sons,” he said.

“Six years ago she married Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi for three months, and she had a daughter with him. Now, she is married to a Palestinian and she is pregnant with his child.”

The minister added: “We conducted DNA tests on her and the daughter, which showed she was the mother of the girl, and that the girl is [Baghdadi’s] daughter, based on DNA from Baghdadi from Iraq.”

Mr Machnouk said Ms Dulaimi’s children were staying at a care centre while she was being interrogated at the defence ministry’s headquarters.

IS has not commented on their detention, but al-Nusra has condemned it.

One Lebanese official has said it is a “powerful card to apply pressure” in negotiations with IS and al-Nusra, who are holding more than 20 Lebanese soldiers and police hostage. They are threatening to kill them unless militants are freed from Lebanese jails.

OK so who were trying to spin this circumstance in favor of Bagdadi/Daesh? LETS SEE

The Lebanese authority smelt the shit from the Iraqi Shit interior ministry “We are surprised by the position of the Iraqi Interior Ministry in light of the fact (Dulaimi) said that she was married to Ibrahim al-Samarai, who is also known as Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi,” said a Lebanese security official.
The Shits in Iraq claimed that this woman is not Bagdadi wife , How do they know it in the first place?
Now it seems they knew it well that Bagdadi wife and daughter are captured and tried to make a spin. So the Iraqi interior ministries of Shits working for Bagdadi.

The current news: Lebanon: DNA test says child is ISIS head’s daughter. So the Iraqi Interior Ministries Shits didnt even bother to wait for the DNA report!!!

Thank you for exposing these shits. Let the world know the difference so that these shits cant fool the world in the name of Islam.

guest

The World is waking up and the People who use to side with them are the ones exposing them. You can only go a distance with evil, lies, deceptions, treacheries, fooling innocents,… before you nose dive in Shit. As Shit always end up in Shit !!!

People like you, Nagy, Reasonable, n all the others (you should know guys) here are the ones to be thanked n commended for being steadfast, honest, courageous,… in exposing them Majoos !!!

Please keep up the good word so one day we can have a Peaceful World !!!

Reasonableman

Which card can i play?

Card 1.Apparently one lady and her children are more dangerous than HA.

card 2. The notion of “applying pressure” or using a WOMAN as a hostage”to apply pressure” proves erdogan and islamic teachings to be correct. Men ARE NOT equal to women.

card 3. This is a cover up

What can I say that hasn’t already been said?? GO AFTER THE REAL CRIMINALS!!!!

that why suuni who make 90% of sunnis regarded them as non muslims.I advice syiiits to left this bad religion,it is not islam any more..they will be burnt forever as non Muslim in hell fire.I only deserve to save them.from hell fire is too hard to take.Syiah is a political movement at the past,not a religion movement..A rebels movement at the past..Bad cultures,bad behave,bad moral already take place in syiah believe.at the past.Syiah ulemas ,who are non mulsims at the past deluded Persian badly for their lust,for their political games.These ulemas eyeing on politic,money,women,worldly life.they using Islam for their lust.A current ulemas of syiah are not eradicate the former ulemas teaching,cause a teaching of Syiah is disgusting and annoying till now..Likely to Christians who deluded Jesus teaching.Constantine is the first who are using and deluding Christian for politic to unite Rome.They crushed jesus teaching badly..and made up many weird doctrine in Chrisitian and turn them to nonmuslims,to unbelievers..Syiah also did the same.On you to left this religion behind to save you from hell fire forever.Using our brain at its best.Not using our heart.

guest

Inside Iran: The Most Hated Creatures in Iran

Since the movie was released in Iran, Iranians call the Shia Mollahs “Marmulak” (Lizard), the most hated creature in Iran.

By the way the movie “Marmulak” (lizard) is available all over the Internet (including youtube with english subtitles). There must be truth in it since it forced the Rafidah priesthood in Iran to ban it.

Mr. 5th, sure you might know, “Inside Iran: The Most Hated Creatures in Iran”, movie was banned right after it got released as the “Marmoulaks” couldn’t take the heat so you won’t find one with subtitles !!! Sorry !

5thDrawer

It’s ok … the basic ‘story’ comes anyway … :-))
Everyone needs a ‘glorious leader’, after all … 😉
Although, sometimes, a good con-artist understands humans very well.
Popping out of one jail into another is a poor way to go.
The messages he left …. the ones the people yearn for at end?

Reasonableman

I watched this but without subtitles, these shits are stupid shits who are that confused they just follow waiting for some shit to happen

guest

Sorry brother, the “Marmulaks” banned the movie n got the videos censored on you tube soon after it was released as they couldn’t take the heat of getting exposed and being called “Marmulaks” as all Iranians started calling Ayatollahs that (Marmulaks – Lizards, which are the most hated creatures in Iran) !!!
Thus it’s without Subtitles !!!

Reasonableman

Youre doing a good job exposing these falls tabarek allah

zabada

Zionist make mistake when they mess up with sunnis who make 90% out of nearly 2 billion muslims.As a said ISIS can,t defeated because of too many sunnis sympathisers by sunnis community all over the world.In future many nation will sided with ISIS and Sunni, since they shared the same hatred to Zionist movement.Sweden just vote to sided Palestine.Now all atrocities condone by Zionist Jews expose widely on web and ect.It take more times to people of the world to acknowledge Jews atrocities.Then the game will turn to an upset.Benjamin Freedman ,A Jew defector,said..America eventually can,t defeat 80% people of the world.in future.The prophet Muhammad said..many nation will sided muslims and destroy Israel and its ally frome the west..Also a prophecy in Bible..Daniel..also in psalm..83..4:3..if i not wrong.These arrogant Zionist Jews and Whites Zionist . America and Israel eventually digging their own grave.Arrogant people always make big mistake.See speech by Benjamin Freedman..A Jew defector..he convert to Catholic.Before he is one of Wise Jews.

wargame1

Hey Khabish can you back up your claim as you wrote “The prophet Muhammad said..many nation will sided muslims and destroy Israel and its ally frome the west..”
Simply post the hadis and back up your claim. If you cant bring the hadis then you are a liar using the name of the prophet to spread deception

zabada

You again.You are not an illiterate.You can read its all by your self.Reading is the key to all kind of knowledge – Muhamad abbbas Alakkad.I read many,I forgot which one book I read.There are thousands of books in library.I my face clearly..are looked like a liar…I mfear God person.Better than you are.

Reasonableman

Why don’t you bring a clear authority?
Burden of proof is on the claimant.

zabada

There are no library in your country? No books..no website?.It is take times to find up its to you..I read most aunthentic hadith on that..even weak Hadith is true..since ulemas of hadith created very strict method in order to find the vary authentic Hadith..hence many true hdith are classified as weak..otherwise ulemas of hadith are not compromise among themselves that all weak hadith as a false hadith.So that weak hadith is true ,even by themsleves. You can refer almahdi even in weak hadith.That is you who post the hadith.I read it all on the website.and all are true for me….even we can,t acknowledge some of Alhadith..since the verses need widely reading in history and ect in order to acknowledge its true meaning.Peace.

Reasonableman

Im not sure if its your english but it seems your fabricating against me. Where is the hadith that al mahdi will rise in iraq on the page I pasted to you?

Why do you give me opinion when we are talking clear hadith? How do you follow a weak opinion over a strong and proven one?

There is a big line between a weak hadith and fabricated hadith. So far you have not provided any proof of your claims just merely opinion.

If you want to do the ummah plus the whole world a favor don’t speak your opinion in religous matters and innovate like ahlul bid’ah you will only confuse yourself and other peoples opinions of our deen.

Prohibited to you are dead animals, blood, the flesh of swine, and that which has been dedicated to other than Allah , and [those animals] killed by strangling or by a violent blow or by a head-long fall or by the goring of horns, and those from which a wild animal has eaten, except what you [are able to] slaughter [before its death], and those which are sacrificed on stone altars, and [prohibited is] that you seek decision through divining arrows. That is grave disobedience. This day those who disbelieve have despaired of [defeating] your religion; so fear them not, but fear Me. This day I have perfected for you your religion and completed My favor upon you and have approved for you Islam as religion. But whoever is forced by severe hunger with no inclination to sin – then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

zabada

I m not learn english too much in school..since it is an Arabic School. I learned Arabic in my school before beside my mother tongue.Also i m not an expert in Arabic.I likes History…so I must read english to know History better.I learn english by that way,reading. So i m sorry on my english.I m sunni.Our believe insallah ..is true.I m not fabricate anything.I m fear god person.Otherwise the prophecies in future is another issue..History and hadith must be put together in order to know its true meaning.All black flag events is my opinion.referred to all alhadith that available to me…and I believe it is 100 % is true.But i m not sure which one black flag will reach Israel.In our country ,islamic officers banned all weird books.So most of us came out with true fresh believe.Almahdi will rise in iraq is not in your alhadith..it is another book I read long a go.I forgot the book but I remember and acknowledge the hadith.He will reis in Iraq..in a Mosque..than ran to mecca ,kaabah to hide by his enemy..in Sunni Hadith..4000 bad Muslim will hunting him..in syiah hadith,it is 6000 armies will hunting him.Of course he survive and lead Muslims to defeat dajjal (western Christian anti Christ) ,the west and Jews,Jesus,Isa pbuh will appear and and kill Dajjal.(western Chiristian anti christ) .Most Christian will convert to islam when they acknowledge Jesus ,Isa pbuh sided muslims.That why muslims will win.Many of western Christian get killed when they are fighting for Jews as you see now…even now many christians convert to Islam..may be 2 million of them converted to Islam in the west…It is on you to believe or not.God know best.

5thDrawer

And after picking the bones, you can cast them … get another prophecy. 😉

Reasonableman

Attitude…. get another one liner

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Brother, he is nothing but a hypocrite who hates Islam and Muslims. Hatemongers like him can side with anyone just to see Islam and Muslims getting mocked. Bigots like him are biased n flip flops and demonizes Islam and Muslims always. Even the Zionists and Shiites are better than his bigot kind, atleast they show their hatred and are honest about it unlike bigots like him, hind, mab, hani, and their bigot kind on here n elsewhere. They believe that their brand of so called Christianity and Bible are the true teachings of Jesus (pbuh) which was never tampered, manipulated or changed. They are just like any other Bigot Islamophobes Zionist Christians who are far away from the real teachings of Jesus (pbuh) and the Bible but close to Today’s Paul’s, Zionist, Evangelical, etc. Christianity and Bible and it’s zillion versions.
They can self proclaim to be an atheist if it helps their cause of demonizing Islam n Muslims. As you may know atheists are known to be fair when it comes to any religion and not bigoted n hateful towards one specific religion. May be you read their posts in general or their recent reply posts filled with bigotry, acknowledgement n enjoyment to every single post of their invited mentally deranged bigot named Arafat against Islam n Sunni Muslims. Their hypocrisy has no bounds and yet they claim to be the champions of Muslims, Sunnis, Palestine, … cause against Zionists, Shiites,…
Doron, Mek, Real,… are way better than these hypocrites !!!
Expose their Pagan beliefs n hypocrisy if you want to give them a heavy dose of their own medicine and if he or anyone attacks and demonizes Islam and Muslims then you have the utmost right to repay it back as you received !!!

Reasonableman

Wallahi man jadalta jahilan 2ila ghalabni.
You cannot win an argument with a “jaahil” because he will take you to his level and beat you.

I did not step on his toes, how rude. Usually 5th is very good but he has his times where his ideals overtake his sense of reality. Passive aggressiveness is how he deals with it. Its very paradoxical that 5th claims, Muslim’s force their views upon others when 5th is the culprit.

Maborlz Ez-Hari

Give up already.

Reasonableman

LoL what am I supposed to be giving up?
Why are you stepping on my toes?

Maborlz Ez-Hari

I wouldn’t do that, I just enjoy a chat.

Reasonableman

Asking me to give up on humanity is not a conversation i am about to dive into.

NO RETREAT! NO SURRENDER!

5thDrawer

There is ONE niggling question I have …. about that Lebanese ‘system’ of ‘religiosity’.
CAN a ‘Christian Lawyer’ take a case into a ‘Sunni’ court when a plaintive has been wronged by a Muslim, and find actual justice?? Some of that ‘humanity’ maybe?
Tell me. Is it ‘allowed’. ???

Maborlz Ez-Hari

Ouzo bil layel.

Reasonableman

Good question tbh I don’t know whether or not the muslim will be tried in a christian court or a muslim court or both.

I do know something of a similar scenario is that if you want to take a muslim perpetrator to a sharia court thats perfectly fine even of he was a so called caliph and the evidence of this I have posted in a hadith before of the jew who felt wronged by umar bin al khattab.

I obviously don’t knpw everything about the law but I will find out for you inshaa allah.

5thDrawer

Dare I add, the plantif is female ….

Reasonableman

I will try and find out.

We as Muslims are, however, responsible for our conduct. We are warned against wronging others and making little of our obligations towards others, regardless of what those obligations might be and regardless of who the people are to whom we are obliged.

And Allah knows best.

Maborlz Ez-Hari

You been watching too much hollywood.

Reasonableman

You talk too much.

Hows ol granville coping in this wet weather?

Maborlz Ez-Hari

Its good in granville.

Anti ISIS

The only good thing to come out of Granville is Chicken.

5thDrawer

Tell him I only have a ‘phobia’ about the illogical stupidity that creates the unending wars. That ‘power-tribe’ mentality which has 60 million refugees on the edge of death.

Maborlz Ez-Hari

I will pass it on. No problems 5th. Only problem is your illogical stupidity is his logical reasoning.

5thDrawer

My goodness … that was a lovely logic-bit . 😉
I guess to have ‘peace’ then, we’d have to agree to disagree, because I don’t believe everyone must die to make us ‘perfect’. :-)))

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That’s true what you said about 5th as he has deep hatred towards Islam n Muslims which frequently shows up in the form of sarcasm in his posts but along with him are the other Islamophobes n Bigots like hind, mab, and the rest of their kind in here who enjoys being an Islamophobe !!

They are the worst kind of Hypocrites even worst than the Zionists n Shiites !!!

Islamophobia is occuring and happening ONLY due to Islamophobes like them and they wonder n ask Muslims why instead of asking themselves that, such lowlife Hypocrites !!!

Islamophobia is “paving the way for Muslim holocaust… towards mainstream fascism: a time when pogrom of Muslims would not generate any sympathy or reaction in their favour.”

The dangers of Islamophobia: “If we read the trends closely and connect the dots, it is obvious Muslims are being dehumanized.

They call Muslims especially Sunnis all sorts of derogatory names for no fault of theirs so in all fairness shouldn’t the helpless Muslims call them back out for who n what they honestly are, Islamophobes, Bigots, Racists, Supremacists, Terrorists, Fear Mongers, Crazies, Degenerates, Barbarians, Lowlifes, … !??

Question is, when will they give up being Hypocrites n Islamophobes so Muslims can live in Peace n with no Fear ???

They need to stop blaming everything on Muslims and always acting as if they are some angels, which in reality they are exactly the OPPOSITE and the Original instigators, perpetrators n creators of all the chaos you see in the World Today !!!!

Hind Abyad

(..) guest Majous, I’m not an Islam hater, the only hater here is you, the biggest bigot here is you, a hateful man surely not lovable, passing your time crying to daddy Reasonableman, convincing people how awful i am how awful everybody is, except you: Chiiits.. Hatemonger.. Christians.. hypocrites..Islamophobia even worst than Zionists bla blabla..enough, perennial whiner you need a Wailing Wall. What’s the obsession with me? You want to own the place write a letter to YaLibnan.. get it over with, and stop changing names vomiting on everything not Sunni, don’t forget to include some of your Shiitsphobia posts, who says YaLibnan has no Shiits or Christians? It’s Lebanon.

Maborlz Ez-Hari

Here, here ì don’t hate moslems at all they are pretty Kool people but their religion on the other hand does get up my you know what… labeling me an Islamophobe is an accurate description but in reality the people don’t bother me at all just the ones that look like they are black ghosts floating around the place they give me the creeps. Reasonable, two dot man, warmonger, zabada and the other moslems in here are interesting characters but the hysteria and paranoia they exhibit is a little tooooo fluffy.

Hind Abyad

two dot man is homophobic (guest majoos), the others never change names.. and they talk, they don’t cry.

Maborlz Ez-Hari

Hello my darling, thankyou for the info so you have identified another homophobe like myself.

Hind Abyad

i thought you were misogynist.

Maborlz Ez-Hari

Aren’t most homophobes misogynists?

Hind Abyad

Of course how stupid of me:)

Maborlz Ez-Hari

No your just in love now get me a beer;))))

Maborlz Ez-Hari

Buùrrrrrrrp. excuse mwa.

Hind Abyad

you drink? yalla good night 🙂

Maborlz Ez-Hari

Must have an alcoholic content of over 5.7%

5thDrawer

(that wasn’t scotch )

5thDrawer

errr … technically … folks …
Phobia – an extreme or irrational fear of something ….
Misogyny – A hatred of women.
So … not necessarily a fear of them, and therefore not a synonym.

Much more difficult to change an irrational phobia, than turn hate to love …
(wink, wink …)

Hind Abyad

two dots man hate us but like our ideas, he made yet a new new avatar; two dots ..

Maborlz Ez-Hari

Hind you remind me of agent 99 from Get Smart, now i feel like Max.

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Who, what you talking about Hind the Islamophobe Hypocrite Butch Bigot… ?? You and your fellows are all that it doesn’t matter how much you all deny, everyone knows as its a FACT !!
Doron is way better than your kind !!

Obsession with a Butch like you…don’t kid yourself !!

5thDrawer

Well, if we are allowed views, I will pump mine as fast as you do yours.
I didn’t say we had to shoot each other over the opposing viewpoints.
And yes, I can be sarcastic … sometimes I can be good at it, when a shoe fits, as they say. You can have a shot at me too. I won’t think you’re too ‘phobic’. 😉
But really, the little parade from the Mosque up the street that goes by each year with coloured ribbons and drums and cymbals is quite similar to the one around Easter from a church nearby, and neither one bothers me at all … because they are not telling me I can’t watch or walk away or have a chat with ANYONE who happens to walk past when I’m cutting a lawn. I have not seen any running around with scimitars either.
So – in THIS hood – all is fine, and it’s quite a nice mix, I’ve found over the years. WHY should THAT change?? The two gay guys a few yards up don’t bother any of us either.
You want the list of skin-colours?? Really. Got ’em all.
Actually, I think it’s YOU guys with the phobias. I think you imagine ‘we’ of ‘the west’ are just nasty devils and if we won’t allow that ‘sharia’ into a system of law which touts ‘equality’ – including that of opposite sexes (not saying it’s perfect, & I’ll dump on a western idiocy too) – then too bad, because it tends to allow this mixed neighbourhood I’m in, where no-one is running around trying to change that either.
(except asshole ‘developers’)
Listen, I’m quite comfortable with a nod from the bearded guy in the white sheet OR the cowboy lurching home from the bar beside the mosque … and the only one who I have had to encourage OFF the lawn was the drunk who apparently slept there all of one night. (gave him a coffee to help – better than sending him off in a cop car) They ALL pass by every day. I’m not standing at the door with a gun.
No ‘fear’ here … unless YOU show up with one.
WHO told you (and the 2-dot guy) I’m afraid of a religion?

Reasonableman

I didn’t say you were afraid of anything bud. I will have a shot with you but wont shoot you and not whisky either maybe a redbull shot. Times have changed I guess I good conversation used to start with peace be upon you or greetings how are you or even a good g’day.
Nowadays we point out eachothers differences and start a debate. Anywho I was making excuses for you my fellow human your not a bad bloke compared to bashar al ASSad 😉

5thDrawer

Errrr .. thanks for THAT comparison … 8-]

Reasonableman

Free of charge

5thDrawer

Have a GOOD day. 🙂
I’m shovelling between hacking and coughing with some imported bug I’m sure I didn’t want to have clearance to land.

Reasonableman

🙂 you too my friend. Sounds like loads of fun. Hope you get well soon.

Well, the ‘Arrivals’ can’t open … although I got adverts.
The other about Solomon’s temple (and the searches for it) I had seen.
If all ‘Archelology’ (as was believed about the pyramids and many tomb excavations) was fraught with such dangers to mankind (let alone the first into the chambers), it’s difficult to see a creator God allowing it to happen.
However …. if the Israelis can’t excavate without causing structural damage to everything above, then they are more stupid than we have assumed. 😉

Hind Abyad

They are doing it in various places under peoples homes, not good for sleeping at night.

Guest

Hope you were able to see the real Truth which they hide from the World, in some places you can’t view those links, you wonder why !!??

5thDrawer

It said “Copywrite Infringments’ …

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Wonder why? May be they don’t want people in some parts of the World to know the real Truth !!

5thDrawer

Or, maybe the people who ‘know’ the ‘real truth’ don’t want us to know because we are so naughty to begin with …. after all, we were born in ‘unholy places’ …. we are all suspected of being the devil in disguise …. shouldn’t be told the truth at all at all …. nope, nope.
Best to keep those ‘secrets’ to those who write them.
Bad enough that a pile of translations have been done already….
Hell, you can even find all the ‘mystical’ entrance rituals about becoming a Mason and learning how to donate to good causes as well … the net has really screwed the world.
I only hope that the young Egyptian who suddenly found out there had been two world wars ‘out there’ wasn’t unsettled too much by it.

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Wonder why that ra fellow n his followers do such a thing !??

5thDrawer

I look at the ‘models’ of ancient things like what was supposed to be Solomon’s Huge city, and wonder where all the slave labour came from. Same thing with pyramids, etc. This is perhaps the only time in human history where the effects of global weather changes can be overcome with enough food shipped in from other places … at least, to some extent. But one must assume that a population was generally happy for a long enough time when they had built what we think of as these ‘wonders’.
I lean toward a feeling that it was too bad ALL those words survived … just think if humankind was able to Re-start it’s thinking about Everything, say, around the year 2000.
We’d be on Mars already, I’m sure … and perhaps, like the dolphins, just be saying ‘So long and Thanks for all the fish’ … instead of doing the stupid fighting over ‘long-lost’ concepts.

(Ahhh … but perhaps no-one translated ‘Hitchiker’s Guide to the Galaxy’ …. or ‘allowed’ that translation to be read in ‘other countries’, so ‘they’ wouldn’t discover the truths contained therein.)

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Lol, that fellow ra n his followers to be blamed again …such injustice don’t you think !?? But at least they stole n got away with the manuscripts with the forbidden satanic magic…to create fiction books, control the blind n show them, the illuminating dark light !! But until when !?? Darkness is running out of time, don’t you think !?? Time for ra to show up, watchya say !??

5thDrawer

He will. The Sun-God controls everything on the planet. 🙂
As for the ‘night creatures’ …. when the light moves from north to south, they generally seem to travel with it – perhaps trying to keep it down.
I guess You could claim those who are at the Equator have the best chance of being enlightened ‘full-time’. :-))

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You said it, hurray ! But when n for how long !? People are already bored n giving up !!

5thDrawer

‘Giving up’ is not necessarily stopping trying. One could realize it’s the wrong moment, and just head for a mountain-top or a cave… eventually some might even notice a guy sitting there happy and peaceful in himself, perhaps call him a Guru… climb in or up to ‘hear’ a thought … maybe hear something they hadn’t heard before and be amazed.
The only problem for the ‘Guru’ is in having his thoughts carried to someone who doesn’t want to hear them … and who then decides to take out the Guru. ‘No Man is an Island’. 😉
I think we all try to be … or actually are inside. It’s simple. Uncomplicated. Quiet there.
Why we think it shouldn’t be is a mystery. 😉
There ARE many ways of ‘turning the other cheek’ … it’s a concept. Not a ‘physical movement’. We describe it in may ways. Walking away is one … throwing up the hands, throwing in a towel, or just throwing up on an antagonist’s shoes … not saying anything is the most safe method … the silent majority melt into a background, and only come out if they feel there’s half a chance of improving their position.
The ones who have truly ‘given up’ are trying to float north from that Equator on leaky boats – perhaps knowing there’s a 1 in 10 chance of quickening the certain death they face, but also willing to take that last gasp chance rather than ‘giving in’ to the death-dealers. In that, they make their final statement.
But that is humanity … it is not analyzing what it’s doing … just knows it wants to survive.
It may have been sending up prayers to any God for a lifetime … but no-one is listening or changing anything. Except perhaps …. RA. ;-))
By the way, have you seen the reports on how much plastic is floating in the world’s oceans?? Only 6% of what humans use is recycled. The rest is turning the ‘little blue planet’ into multi-colours … from space. Looks pretty ….

Hind Abyad

Hope you’re coping with snow, never seen this much Before Christmas :))

5thDrawer

Hi Hind. I dug a trench for the car … But it’s still not like when I was a kid … sorry to say.
Although, I agree, less is better. :-)))
I recall it at Halloween … and freezing the home-made candy-apples.

Hind Abyad

A Christmas “Halloween”..you live in North Pole :))?

5thDrawer

I’m serious. THAT cold at Halloween.
I remember a rubber mask … me a kid in glasses … breathing fogs and freezes on glasses … can’t see a damn thing. :-)))
Team up with younger brother … we have two pillow-cases to fill … supplies until Christmas. hohohohohohoho Good old days … save the pennies from collecting bottles until supplies run out in spring. Frozen toe-pain is worth it.
(kids these days have no concept of ‘work’ …. )
(of course, parents don’t let them out … too many nut-bars running around, it seems – it’s a ‘phobia’ of another type most often produced by one ‘news’ story.)
I wonder how many kids ever see the art that Jack Frost creates on a window …… hmmm

Hind Abyad

That’s a very Good question, when i came here i had a depression..(it started to get dark at 3.50 in the afternoon etc..) it was December. Of course i saw the artwork, i called friends (born here), “look how is it possible?, they were patients you know, i insisted..Look the intricate star. You’re describing a Halloween.. only in North Pole :))

Hind Abyad

Logical..

5thDrawer

… but too simple. 😉

Hind Abyad

Not simple it’s illegal..

5thDrawer

Ok … too complicated to explain ‘why’ something is illegal, so just say ‘illegal’.
Which is simple. :-))

Hind Abyad

OK 🙂

Hind Abyad

i was right you’re not very Bright but Hysteric. I was talking about -Other places in Palestine-..
You wonder whyyy !!??

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Hind Abyad

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Hope you were able to see the real Truth which they hide from the World, in some places you can’t view those links, you wonder why !!??

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Ask the other Hind !!

Hind Abyad

No dialogues..good day.

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Seems the other Hind gave you the answer !!

Hind Abyad

Unfortunately there’s one Hind. I have counted 6 ex Manjoos, same ??
No dialogues..good day.

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The Gravest Terrorist Threat in the World Today is Islamophobia !!!!

It is something that has assumed Xenophobic Proportions !!!!

Islamophobia is a Deliberate Defamation of Islam and Discrimination and Intolerance against Muslims especially Sunnis !!!!

How about you Up Vote that post which he direly wanted to double Up but couldn’t, on behalf of him ?? He would really appreciate it !!

Hind Abyad

You up vote yourself enough already, some have 5 guests and Guests.

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?..how about you along with him n rest of your ….kind vote that post Up !?? That would really be nice !!

Reasonableman

Ofcourse only in a democracy every(body) gets a chance to fail 🙂

5thDrawer

And that’s ‘equality’. :-))

Reasonableman

LOL if only failure was as light as you make it sound.

Maborlz Ez-Hari

You poor people’s, how do cope with All these false accusations and fabrications. Why has this deliberate defamation of Islam occurred? I’m totally Flabagasted!

5thDrawer

Didn’t you ever dry out a Turkey ‘wishbone’ on the back of the stove for two people to pull apart later while making a wish??
I wouldn’t say it’s a ‘heavy belief’ thing … but hey, sometimes ya gotta try. Like a lottery. 😉
It’s a ‘ritual’ … with rules … must hold it properly, of course.
But you don’t need the medicine man to do the ‘cast’ for ‘fortune’.

wargame1

Same goes to you. Why cant you copy the hadis from the hadis books on the net and clear yourself? You are bringing some fairy tail from the sufi shaitans and calling it hadis. Bring proof or keep your focking mouth shut. Your claim is false

zabada

TELL ME HOW MANY BOOKS IN A LIBRARY? HOW MANY PAGES IN A BOOK.If i find its will post up yo you.But not now.Not easy to find even an old friends..or our former teachers.

Reasonableman

How long is string?

wargame1

If you dont have a proof then dont attribute it as hadis. The Sufi Shaitaans have this kind of practice. Stay away form that

zabada

you have brain tumor..remove it before its kill you..or turn you to an insane guy.,,khah..khah..khah.

zabada

I know there are many Arabs who claim they are al mahdi.If you dare to do that I and my father will tie you to a tree and take out your trouser.

Hind Abyad

you are real funny people.. Khah..khah..khah

zabada

I know he scare me and my father.

adolph putler

by father you mean lover?

Reasonableman

Allah ba3dak w ysa3dak

wargame1

You need to back up your claim with hadis. You have no capacity to see the future events. When you use the prophets name as if he said this or said that then you need to prove it if some one challenge your claim. So post the hadis without jumping like a monkey

zabada

monkey can,t read anything,,khah..khah,,khah,,so find your self.

wargame1

Where did you find? In your wet dream?

zabada

I read long a go.I still remember the meaning of the hadith.I m not lying on any hadith.I fear to God.I know,hell fire is too hard to take.

wargame1

Why dont you post the hadis?

zabada

other Hadith is enough.Too many Hadith on Almahdi.

wargame1

Post the hadis about Mahdi where it says Al-Mahdi will appear in Iraq as you claimed you liar.

zabada

If i post the hadith,,,I fear you will claim you are al Mahdi,,that will annoying me hard.

wargame1

IF? Why do you use the word IF? Just post the hadis if it exist. You are ignorant in this matter but love to talk with your big mouth. You claim Mahdi hadis in Bukhari!! there is NONE in there. You claimed Black flag from Khorashan will join the Black flag of Iraq !!! there is NO such reference in the hadis. You claimed that Al-Mahdi will appear in a Mosque in Iraq!!! But I have posted the hadis about his appear which proved you are a Liar. You moron turned on when you see the Black flag but your sick mind couldnt see their evil deeds. When you see Bagdadi in a Mosque in Iraq your sick mind made you think he is the Mahdi. ALMAHDI is a people of Medina who you call wahabi. You will have a hard time accepting a so called “Wahabi” . You know why? The term Wahabi is used by the Shia and the Shit eating sufi like you to demonize the sunnis.

zabada

No..I will not post the Hadith..you will using it to proclaim you are only the real Almahdi..I will not collaborate with you on the case.No.

wargame1

You cant produce that hadis because it doesnt exist. You could not get away with your nonsense. So better proclaim the truth and stop being a liar

zabada

you have no sense.They are a already black flag in Iraq,,isis and Nusra,who are now unite to defeat America invasion and favor politic to Syiah.Also there are struggle by sunni in syria on Assad.I ts is only isis who are strong at the area.The west called them extremist because they are going crush Israel.Non of muslims countries is going to crush Israel.All do their own business and have no plan to defeat Israel and save Palestine who already suffer at hand of Jews.It is only isis who are fighting America.When the black flag from khurasan coming down here in future,which one they will unite with?.Saudi Arabia.non sense….all black flag are banned by the west as terrorist,and also muslims countries called them the same.The black flag from khurasan will join also a terrorist since they are also called terrorist by you and many many Muslim and all Christians.They will join isis,who are also the black flag.That why the prophet said a bout black flag and ask muslim to join them in future.You guess now days Muslim countries dare to engage war on israel?.They all scare to die,because America have all kind of weapons.Only theses people,what you called them terrorist dogs are not scare to die.Many people will sided them,even non muslims , in future ,since now hatred to Zionist and Israel,also on america increasing day by day..people of the world will share the same hatred to Zionist,America, and Israel atrocities with these black flag who are dare to fight with evil Zionist,America and Israel.But it,s take decade to people of the world to know truth.That why analysis in west also said..war on isis is a long war.I agree with them,the war will prolong for decades in future and the game will turn as an upset.There no hadith the first black before black flag from Khurasan.I enterprted the events that way.But there are alhadith Almahdi will rise in Mosque in Iraq..than he escape to Kaaba to hide. Using your sense at it best.Peace.

wargame1

I dont support the Al-Qaeda/ISIS khawarij Dogs of the hell fire. Dont try to impose your belief on others. The whole sunni world rejected the Daeshdogs. There is not a single sunni scholar support these animals. Now if you want to support them thats your choice. You tried to twist the hadis in support of them but fail. Now go and support them but I dont support them.

wargame1

The Best Muslim Army will come from Saudi Arabia who will confront the Romans in the final war according to hadis. Its the Pushtuns of Afghanistan who are the children of Israel and they will conquer Jerusalem and go back home. Some Syrian fighters will join the Pushtuns in conquering Jerusalem.

zabada

So you must claim as fake mahdi in order to do that.You forgot it is an Arab who lead the war on Israel at the end of time.Almahdi also an Arab,So it is an Arab uprising in non democracy uprising since there are no democracy in Arab world.You see which one Arab countries who are dare to fight Israel.All of them scare to America,who are protecting Israel.Now is the time of almahdi,refer to chaos and wars and killing in Sham.Even many Christian bible scholars said that,since there are are still intact Jesus (isa pbuh) verses in bible.Now who are engage on wars with America,the only Israeli protector. Judge your self of you have sense.Which on countries dare to fight America now,even at the past?Your Saudi ?.

wargame1

Stop your lousy speculation. First post the hadis and then make comment on that. There are hundreds of crack pots like you out there making prophesy based on their speculation. It has no value. Learn that lesson from that Mini Dajjal Imran Hussain who used to quote hadis out of context and then people slowly realized his fraud and now he have Shias and the Sufis as his listener

zabada

I guess it is you are among it,s general to fight Dajjal.Peace.

wargame1

If you want to join ISIS then no one is holding you back. Do not pursue others who despise those Khawarij Dogs.

wargame1

You are writing some future even based on speculation. You can not back them up with hadis. You act like those shit eating sufis who twist and invent hadis from their shit head

zabada

speculation refer to hadith…peace.

wargame1

Your ignorant claim…”There no hadith the first black before black flag from Khurasan”

There are many hadis about the Black flag of Banuls Abbas coming from Iraq and they will fight against each other and will be destroyed

zabada

oh yea..i forgot.it is true.I read its before.But where is uprising in Saudi on Israel ?.Where and where they have engage in any feud on Israel..None.Black flag from khurasan will join another uprising in middle east.I read before are three black flag at the area,2 perish one survive..if i not wrong.

wargame1

Hey son of a bitch I have been asking you again and again to post the hadis where Mahdi appear in Iraq. Fucking bitch prove it and stop your filthy lecture

zabada

you are bad historian with tumor in your head.I fear you will claim are real mahdi from saudi Wahabi if you not remove your brain tumor..kkah..khah..khah..or you will claim Muhammad Abdul Wahab ,wahabi founder,will appear in near future as al Mahdi.Peace.Wahabi is nothing,but a political religion ,rebels movement at the past.using their new teaching of islam to gain politic in Arab saudi long ago.Likely to Syiah,it is poltical movement at the past,using religion doctrines to delude people on their side ,than engage in war king Husain,Mecca king at the time,descent of the prophet .They deluded many of islamic jurisprudent,theology and make them as new khawarij in muslims sunni community who make 90% all muslim in the world.They are only 15% in Arab Saudi,including you.Since wahabi are not changing islamic teaching too much as Syiah have done,they are still muslims,but bad muslim with bad imagination with bad theology and jurisprudent.Both Syiah and wahabi is a political religion with many fake doctrine. That why the two are hating others.Now both Syiah and wahabi are protecting their politic at its beast and will not allowed true almahdi will lead them.Their politic is more important beside almahdi,With their bad mentality,bad faith and too greedy for politic,they will not acknowledge who are almhadi,likely to nonmuslim,who are know nothing who are alMahdi.They are fully bilnd,except who are god favor them a guidance.Peace.

wargame1

There is no such religion as Wahabi. Its the Shia and the sufi use that term against the sunnis and the French invented that term to identify the sunnis. When you used that term you blew your cover. And when you recommend me to listen to Imran Hussain then you exposed yourself one more time. The Saudis are majority sunnis. Al-Mahdi will be from the people of Medina so its you are those shit eating sufi and shia will have problem to accept those sunnis from Saudi Arabia whom YOU call them wahabi. I call them sunni

zabada

and there is no religion such Syiah?.No word if there is no object..It is a philosophy of words.So wahabi must be exist even it is a few of muslims.

wargame1

Khawarij are those Bagdadi and his gang. The Khawarij were in Iraq and in the end of time the Khawarij movement will again start from the same place. There are khawarij all over the world and they have a very identical name pattern i.e. Abu so and so and their name end up as country town city etc. I.e. Al-Bagdadi Al-Amriki, Al-Zarkawi, Al-Britani. The Arabs live in a tribal society and their name indicates their tribe too. But the Khwarij use a different name pattern.

zabada

all muslims now a khwarij,because they are not unite themselves,including you.

Maborlz Ez-Hari

Oh plz just shut up zabada, your not even lebanese so your opinion doesn’t count go away you pest.

5thDrawer

Oyah Mab … only the Lebs are allowed the biggest fairy-tales. :-)))))

Maborlz Ez-Hari

you know some things go without saying. He makes up his own hadiths, i guess they all were but i think we have enough of them already.

zabada

even so..I guess Lebaneses are good people .No chaos in war..it is amazing country even there are Syiah,Sunni and Christian.Multi racial country is difficult to rule.I guess they are sharing politic fairly.

zabada

in another hadith…Bani kaab will oppress muslims..Assad is belong to bani kaab.And there are two black flag are figthing in Syria,Isis and Nusra.This hadith showing the first uprising.In another hadith a king died…and the rest will engage in war to gain politic ..It is saddam who died..and Syiah Sunni engage in war to replace the king,Saddam..this hadith is a sign of up coming the true Imam mahdi.These events take place is Sham not in saudi.Yes almahdi will be given bai,ah at Mecca and also he will go to madinah.He ran there to hide from his enemy in Iraq..may from Syiah and America..he ran from Madinah to mecca ..may be from from your side, Wahabis.and America.The two are best friend from the beginning.The two syiah and wahabis will protect their politic since they know not he is almahdi.Because the two thinks almahdi will raise in their side.Almahdi will not rise in syiah and not in wahabi since the two are controversial religion and annoying many muslims all over the world.

adolph putler

you simple idiot pull the black flag out of your azz.

zabada

“Hadith indicate that black flags coming from the area of Khorasan [Iran] will signify [that] the appearance of the Mahdi is near. Khorasan is in today’s Iran, and some scholars have said that this Hadith means when the black flags appear from Central Asia then the appearance of the Mahdi is imminent.” – conclusion of all hadith on Almahdi.

adolph putler

idiot be a good muslim and volunteer to shovel up daesh body parts from the streets. if something goes wrongas a martyr you will receive that little boy or horny donkey you dream of.

zabada

wahabis language too bad.But they said they are fit to sunnah.very bad.

zabada

I one of the chain of the hadith..in its meaning.That is you business if you not believe.

wargame1

The Advant of Al-Mahdi is near the Kaaba at Makame Ibrahim where people will take him out from the Kaaba and pledge their allegiance to him.
Aisha (r.a.) said that the Messenger of Allah (Peace be upon him) said: “It worth wondering ! There are people from my Ummah who will head toward House (Mecca’s House of Worship) seeking (with evil intention) a man from Quraish (tribe) who has taken refuge in the House. Once they arrive at Bayda, a Khusuf (landslide) will occur to them…” (Sahih Muslim)

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Your claim is false as you claim that Al-Mahdi will supposedly appear in Iraq in a Mosque

zabada

PEACE..If post the Hadith,,i fear you will claim you are al Mahdi.ISIS will cut of your throat…that annoying me hard..PEACE.

wargame1

You should fear Allah and stop putting your psychotic thoughts on others. You have proven one thing very clearly that you support the Daesh Khawarij Dogs of the hell fire

wargame1

here is the proof that al-Mahdi will be a man from Medina NOT Iraq.
Umm Salamah رضي الله عنها narrated: The Prophet (Peace be upon him) said: “Disagreement will occur upon the death of a Caliph and a man of the people of Medina will flee to Mecca. Some of the people of Mecca will come to him, bring him out against his will and make him accept their Bay’a (being chosen as a leader) (at a location) between the Rukn (corner of the Ka’ba containing the Black Stone) and the Maqam (Place) of Abraham (located on a side of the Ka’ba). An army from the people of AshSham (Greater Syria) will then be sent against him, but Khusf (land collapse) will happen to them (they will die) in the Baidaa (desert) between Mecca and Medina. When the people see this, the Abdal (pious eminent individuals) of Syria and the Asa’ib (pious individuals) of the people of Iraq will come to him and offer him Bay’a (accept his leadership) between the Rukn and the Maqam. A man from Quraish tribe , whose maternal uncles are from Kalb tribe, will arise and send against them (against the Mahdi & his supporters) an army which they (the Mahdi & his supporters) will overcome. That army will be made up of Kalb tribe. Whoever does not witness the spoils of (this battle with) Kalb tribe will be disappointed (because treasures will be found, according to some narration). He (the Mahdi) will divide (distribute) money (wealth), and will govern the people according to the Sunnah of their Prophet (Peace be upon him). He will remain seven years, then die, and the Muslims will pray over him.” (Abu Dawud)

The Kalb tribe are the Alawites. It is very likely that Bashar Al-Assad will send his army to Mecca and another army will come from Iraq to attack the Mahdi and this one is very likely the Army of Nuri Maliki or those Daeshdogs. So the whole thing is happening in Mecca and you liar is claiming it to be in Iraq. Now prove your claim you liar.

wargame1

Look at this quote of the Prophet “A man from my family will appear in Haram (in Mecca)”. Now show me where the prophet said he will appear in a Mosque in Iraq????
Abu Huraira has narrated that the Prophet (Peace be upon him) said, ”A man will emerge from the depth of Damascus. He will be called Sufyani. Most of those who follow him will be from the tribe of Kalb (or Kulaib). He will kill by ripping the stomachs of women and even kill children. Qais tribe will gather against them, but Sufyani & his followers will defeat them. A man from my family will appear in Haram (in Mecca), the news of this event will reach the Sufyani and he will send forth one of his armies. He (the Mahdi) will defeat them. Then, the Sufyani will march (to attack the Mahdi) with whoever remains with him. When they reach a Baidaa (A place between Mecca and Medina), a Khusf (land collapse) will happen to them. None of them (Sufyani’s army) will survive, except one person who will tell about what happened.” (Imam Al-Haakim)

zabada

There are many Hadith calculated all over the world.Not only in your house.some Hadith ..authenti.. said..4000 bad mulsims armies hunting him,,almahdi ran to mecca to hide..all the armies fall in the in the earth,,all dead excet 1,2 or 3 (I not sure) survive to tell the story.In another hadith with another chain..PEACE.

wargame1

No hadis says that Al-Mahdi will appear in a Mosque in Iraq. Where do you find “4000 bad Muslim” Are you on drugs that you invent this strange narration and then you have no proof from where you get that?

‘A’ishah [radhiyallahu ‘anha],narrated from the Prophet (Peace be upon him) that he said: “He is a man from my descendents, who will fight according to my Sunnah, as I fought according to the Revelation.”(Nu’aym ibn Hammad’s Kitab Al Fitan)

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Do you compare those Shaitins of Daesh Khawarij as Al-Mahdis Army?

zabada

Thanks..Syukuur..

5thDrawer

(errr .. Zabada …. that’s ‘sucker’.)

Maborlz Ez-Hari

Are you proud of the way your prophet admits he fought and wishes his descendants to continue fighting? If that’s the teaching of the sunnah you can have it all, knock yourselves right out.

wargame1

Yes I am proud the way our prophet teaches the Muslims to behave and follow the code of war in Islam. The Prophet had to fight the pagans who persecuted the Muslims. Any one have the right to defend themselves against the oppression. Most of the prophets in the past had to fight against the pagans. You should read the bible to know more about it.

Maborlz Ez-Hari

Looks like you’re name suits your beliefs. Whatever happened to the poor pagans?

wargame1

Poor Pagans? They were not poor. They were the majority of people with their pagan belief. They persecuted the minority Muslims and then it became natural for the Muslims to defend themselves. Poor pagans like you

Maborlz Ez-Hari

You need to stop acting like victims, are you aware of how many of your beliefs are based on pagan worship? Anyway, just relax and stop aiming your insults and anger at any one who doesn’t believe in your ways. All you are doing is allowing the yehoud to make easy gains while arabs are busy killing each other because the prophet told them to.

wargame1

I didnt ask you to believe in Islam. Its you who are trying to insult and I am ready to teach you a lesson. Islam is not based upon pagan worship. Arab Muslims will be victorious. What are you ? Who do you represent?

Maborlz Ez-Hari

Teach and unite your own kind first, then come see how you can teach me a lesson. Arab muslims will be victorious? Depends what you believe to be a victory. Killing each other until none are left, possibly. Getting smashed by jews and iranians, getting close. Supporting terrorist leaders who are owned by others, obvious. Living in countries run by dictators, old news. Trying to escape and emigrate to non moslem countries, for better quality life, fanx bra. Enjoy your beliefs i hope you see victory in your hearts first.

wargame1

They are united . dont worry. Save your own butt.

wargame1

Ok if the Arabs are defeated then what is your problem? I am not worried about them. Are you become more concerned ? Why is that and what is your benefit? First tell me about your tribe.

Maborlz Ez-Hari

I don’t know why I’m so concerned maybe i don’t like to see children living in tents, kids holding heads, father’s delivering their daughters to get stoned to death, men chanting God’s name while in an evil frenzy before murdering people, ummmm
maybe it’s just me, i should stop paying attention to what’s happening around the globe. Tribe?

wargame1

You cant be more concerned than those who are suffering and those who took up arms to defend their people. So stop shedding crocodile tears

Maborlz Ez-Hari

Your right the suffering are the genuine people shedding tears and the ones who have taken up arms should be asking themselves who is giving us these weapons then they should point them in their faces.

wargame1

The sunni rebel need arms as they dont have enough. Russia and Iran are bringing plane load of arms. You like those turkey shooting by that Shit Assad in the beginning of the uprising. Thats not acceptable. Saudi Arabia is giving arms and now the fight is a bit better. I expected all Arabs aim their Antiaircraft missile towards the shit plane from Iran and Syria and shot them down when ever they fly to barrel bomb. It would be fun then

Maborlz Ez-Hari

The Syrian status under the dictatorial rule of the Assad clan could of been subject to ousting without war. If the Syrian opposition knew how to voice their objections in a manner which is orderly and properly organized they could of got the regime on its knees. The organisation needs to be represented by leaders with the people in mind but the problem instantly arises here, who can be trusted to do so without filling up their pockets and acting like the new Assad? Think about it which arab leader that came to power left when their term was up? Why do other arab nations support wars in neighboring arab nations? Seriously do you think that if the sunnis win in syria that it will become a pleasant place for everyone? Religion aside for a moment, arabs are lowlife, butt suckling, wankers who need to be ruled with an iron fist because if they are given the opportunity to lead they will think it’s their God given right to pass the leadership on for generations. You only have to look at the political names in Lebanon they have all passed their use by dates but we still have the same families with the same stories with the same dumb arses following them.

zabada

Arab is the preachers and defenders of islam..and they who lead Muslims to win over Anti Christ America and the west.at the end of times.No body can,t denied this..ll is a fact.As others, there are some bad people and some bad times in Arabs world. It is common sense.

adolph putler

you stupid phuck would not recognize a fact if your boyfrien whispered it in your ear. the idiocy you post reads like it fell out of your ignorant azzhole

Hind Abyad

you stupid phuck would not recognize a fact if your boyfrien whispered it in your ear.
the idiocy you post reads like it fell out of your ignorant azzhole

You thought Assad and Iran will be walking on a cake but hey its about four years now and look at those burning tanks of Assad. Do you see any improvement? You do not know how badly Assad and Iran will lose in Syria. Iran will be attacked too and its the same old story , remember waht Omer Al-Khattab and Khalid Ibn Walid did in Persia…LoL

Maborlz Ez-Hari

I dont care for bashar or no Khomeini, its just a shame their is a lack of brains and intelligence amongst their populations

wargame1

Those people need people like you , so you may try to lead them

Maborlz Ez-Hari

Well you can lead the way if you stop talking victory and war.

wargame1

There is a war going on and this war was started by Bashar Al-Qaeda and his Iranian boss against the sunnis. Now you expect the sunnis to give their other cheek for another beating? The Muslims will give a hard kick on the ass of those Shits BUT if those Shits stop the aggression and ask for peace then peace will prevail

Maborlz Ez-Hari

Well i hope it stops and people’s over there turn their attention on harmony and coexistence. Let God decide who is his not some sheik or Sayyid.

Hind Abyad

You’re crazy

zjs

1. The black stone in Mecca is not worshiped by Muslims:

Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, claimed that the stone was sent down by Allah Almighty to Prophet Abraham and his son Ishmael, peace be upon both of them, to give the precise location of where the Kaaba was to be built by them. We believe that Prophets Abraham and Ishmael built the Kaaba. Western Scientists have confirmed that the black stone, which resides near the Kaaba in the Holy City of Mecca, is an outside METEORITE OBJECT!

The black stone is like the bricks and cement that make up the Kaaba. It is not holy at all and is not worshiped in any shape or form. The black stone is nothing but a Heavenly object (an asteroid) that GOD Almighty descended on earth to determine the exact location of where His House was going to be built by Abraham and his son Ishmael, peace be upon them.

While Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him kissed the stone before, because it was chosen by Allah Almighty to descend on earth to determine the location of the Kaaba, but that still doesn’t make it anything holy.

It certainly makes it a remarkable and noticeable object that is worth visiting and seeing, but anyone who worships it is an idol worshiper! And like I said above, those ignorant and illiterate from the Muslims who go as far as rubbing themselves against the Kaaba and/or the stone to get “blessings” are not representing Islam’s True picture at all.

2. Bowing to the Kaaba IS NOT bowing in worship and adoration to the cubic black building there, thus making Islam an idol-worshiping religion:

In the previous Scriptures, all Prophets of GOD Almighty bowed down to Him, the Almighty, in the direction of His Holy Temple or House. It’s all over the Bible and outside the Bible. Here is an example from the Bible:

“I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word. (From the NIV Bible, Psalm 138:2)”

To simply put it: You must bow down in humility to GOD Almighty. That’s a must and a given. So, you must physically bow down somewhere, and naturally to some direction! If you were to do it right now, you would be bowing towards a random direction. Your physical presence on earth forces this upon you as a prostrating Believer to GOD Almighty, whether you like it or not. The bowing down to GOD Almighty in the direction of the Kaaba, or the city of Mecca in general, is a way to unify all Muslims to bow down to GOD Almighty, as one body and one unity, towards one direction and towards His Holy Temple.

As to worshiping the cubic black building, the Kaaba, we absolutely do not worship it. The Prophet of Islam said that the spilling OF A SINGLE DROP OF BLOOD from a Believer is more dearer to Allah Almighty than the demolishing of the entire Kaaba. In other words, a single drop of blood from a Muslim Believer is more dearer to Allah Almighty than the entire black cubic building:
لهدم الكعبة حجراً حجراً أهون من قتل المسلم‏

“Demolishing the Kaaba completely is much more preferred to Allah Almighty than shedding the blood of a Believing Muslim.”

So it is not something we worship. It is only a point and a direction that brings us together as one. Again, visit the link that I provided above.

3. What is the difference then between the various idols and the Kaba?

The comparison is an unfair one because while the Muslims bow down to GOD Almighty and only to GOD Almighty in Worship, the hindus pray to and glorify their idols. They address them as “your divinity” and “your holiness”. That’s clearly idol worship! You must never confuse the House of GOD Almighty, where GOD and His Servants meet, with the man-made idols and statues. Allah Almighty Said:

“For ye do worship idols besides God, and ye invent falsehood. The things that ye worship besides God have no power to give you sustenance: then seek ye sustenance from God, serve Him, and be grateful to Him: to Him will be your return. (The Noble Quran, 29:17)”

“And he said: “For you, ye have taken (for worship) idols besides God, out of mutual love and regard between yourselves in this life; but on the Day of Judgment ye shall disown each other and curse each other: and your abode will be the Fire, and ye shall have none to help.” (The Noble Quran, 29:25)”

“And they set up (idols) as equal to God, to mislead (men) from the Path! Say: “Enjoy (your brief power)! But verily ye are making straightway for Hell!” (The Noble Quran, 14:30)”

“Remember Abraham said: “O my Lord! make this city one of peace and security: and preserve me and my sons from worshipping idols. (The Noble Quran, 14:35)”

The Muslims on the hand are not idol worshipers. And neither were the Bible’s Prophets (including Jesus), peace be upon them, who prostrated to GOD Almighty.

There is a difference between worshiping GOD Almighty in the direction of His House, and putting idols and praying to them.

Let’s not forget also that the hindus’ and the buddhists’ idols are statues. The same also for those who worship the fire, sun, moon, stars, etc… Allah Almighty Said:

“Among His Sings are the Night and the Day, and the Sun and the Moon. Adore not the sun and the moon, but adore God, Who created them, if it is Him ye wish to serve. (The Noble Quran, 41:37)”

“They ask thee Concerning the New Moons. Say: They are but signs To mark fixed periods of time In (the affairs of) men, And for Pilgrimage. It is no virtue if ye enter the houses from the back: It is virtue if ye fear Allah. Enter houses Through the proper doors: And fear Allah: That ye may prosper. (The Noble Quran, 2:189)”.

4. Islam is GOD Almighty’s One and Original Faith to mankind, even according to the Bible!

I first of all want to make it clear that in Islam, we do not rely on the Bible. In fact, the Bible doesn’t play any role in any of our Islamic Scriptures. But, the Bible does remain important, nonetheless, because:

1- It is mainly used by the Jews and Christians.

2- Islam is written ALL OVER the Book!

3- Islam is the Bible’s One and Original Faith of GOD Almighty.

5. Is the Jews’ wailing wall idol worship?

Are Jews idol worshipers for praying to GOD Almighty while directly facing the wailing wall in a very close distance?

6. The Islamic Rituals of Worship are all supported in the Bible:

The Islamic Fasting, Prostrating to GOD Almighty in Worship, Doing Pilgrimage are all pillars of the Original Faith, and each one of them is supported in the Bible’s Scriptures, and also outside of the Bible’s Scriptures.

See Psalm 138:2 “I will bow to you in the direction of your Holy Temple.”,

Genesis 28:16-18.

Judges 20:18.

1 Chronicles 6:47-49.

Numbers 24:3-5.

Deuteronomy 9:17-19.

Deuteronomy 9:25.

1 Kings 18:39.

Matthew 26:39 (Jeusus worshiped the Muslims’ way).

Genesis 47:9.

Psalm 119:54.

Nehemiah 9:1.

Esther 4:3.

Psalm 35:13.

Psalm 69:10.

Daniel 6:18.

Matthew 15:32.

The Bible’s fasting is not eating and drinking: Luke5:33 They said to him, “John’s disciples often fast and pray, and so do the disciples of the Pharisees, but yours go on eating and drinking.”

7. Is the circumambulation (tawaaf) around the Kaaba seven times, during the Islamic Hajj (pilgrimage), supported in the Bible?

1- What is circumambulation around the Kaaba in Islam, and Why?

Allah Almighty Said in the Glorious Quran:

“Behold! We gave the site, To Abraham, of the (Sacred) House (i.e., the Kaaba), (Saying): ‘Associate not anything (In worship) with Me; And sanctify My House For those who compass it round, Or stand up, Or bow, or prostrate themselves (Therein in prayer). And proclaim the Pilgrimage among men: they will come to thee on foot and (mounted) on every kind of camel, lean on account of journeys through deep and distant mountain highways; (The Noble Quran, 22:26-27)”

This Prophecy indeed gets fulfilled every single year during the yearly pilgrimage to Mecca. For ample more Prophecies in Islam, please visit:

Islam’s many Prophecies.

The Scientific Miracles in the Glorious Quran.

“Ṭawāf (طواف) is one of the Islamic rituals of pilgrimage. During the Hajj and Umrah, Muslims are to circumambulate the Kaaba (most sacred site in Islam) seven times, in a counterclockwise direction.[1] The circling is believed to demonstrate the unity of the believers in the worship of the One God, as they move in harmony together around the Kaaba, while supplicating to God.”

The Bible also called the path to Mecca “THE PATH OF HOLINESS”.

If Islam is so against any form of idol worship, why do they bow to the kaaba? Why do they call it God’s House? Do they believe He lives there?

The Bible clearly supports Islam’s Prostration and bowing to GOD Almighty: Psalm 138:2 “I will bow down toward your holy temple and will praise your name for your love and your faithfulness, for you have exalted above all things your name and your word.”.

The date of the yearly Pilgrimage to Mecca is the date when Islam was “perfected”.

What is the black stone? Nothing holy about it. It’s just a starting point for the tawaaf.

2- Does Tawaaf (circumambulation) exist in the Old Scriptures?

Let us look at the following verses from the Bible:

Joshua 6:14-16
14 So on the second day they marched around the city once and returned to the camp. They did this for six days.
15 On the seventh day, they got up at daybreak and marched around the city seven times in the same manner, except that on that day they circled the city seven times.
16 The seventh time around, when the priests sounded the trumpet blast, Joshua commanded the army, “Shout! For the Lord has given you the city!

It is unknown why the Jews circled or circumambulated Jerusalem seven times. The number 7 is unknown. It’s just there in the Scriptures. If anything, this proves that there is a lot more from rituals and Commands, in the Bible, that are missing today. This is just one example. The following articles shed more light on this topic:

What parts of the Bible do Muslims believe are closest to the Truth, and Why?

The lost books of the Bible. See books mentioned in the Bible that are not part of today’s Bible. Some of the missing books of the Bible.

According to Islam, why did GOD Almighty allow for the Bible to get corrupted?

Just who were the real authors of the Bible? Today’s Books and Gospels’ authors of the Bible are UNKNOWN. See the comments from the NIV Bible itself.

Detailed History of Corruption and Pagan Origins of the Bible.

CNN’s Articles: Bible is Corrupt (1); Bible is Corrupt (2).

Isaiah 65 & 66 declare Christianity to be a false religion! Also, Paul was declared to be a false apostle and a liar by even some of the disciples in the New Testament. It is Islam’s Christianity [1] [2] [3] [4] [5], and not the modern-day christianity that is the Truth!

If Christianity is false, then Can you explain why some of the disciples and also early Christians were executed for their beliefs? Why would they martyr themselves for a false belief?

(a)- The mystery of Number Seven in the Bible:

The following verses from the Bible make it clear that the number seven has a great importance in the Old Scriptures. But the reasons are not known. It’s a mystery from GOD Almighty:

Genesis 33:3
He himself went on ahead and bowed down to the ground seven times as he approached his brother.

Genesis 41:2
when out of the river there came up seven cows, sleek and fat, and they grazed among the reeds.

Genesis 41:5
He fell asleep again and had a second dream: Seven heads of grain, healthy and good, were growing on a single stalk.

Genesis 41:22
“In my dream I saw seven heads of grain, full and good, growing on a single stalk.

Genesis 41:30
but seven years of famine will follow them. Then all the abundance in Egypt will be forgotten, and the famine will ravage the land.

Genesis 41:34
Let Pharaoh appoint commissioners over the land to take a fifth of the harvest of Egypt during the seven years of abundance.

Genesis 41:53
The seven years of abundance in Egypt came to an end,

Genesis 50:10
When they reached the threshing floor of Atad, near the Jordan, they lamented loudly and bitterly; and there Joseph observed a seven-day period of mourning for his father.

Exodus 13:6
For seven days eat bread made without yeast and on the seventh day hold a festival to the Lord.

Exodus 16:26
Six days you are to gather it, but on the seventh day, the Sabbath, there will not be any.”

Exodus 16:27
Nevertheless, some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather it, but they found none.

Exodus 16:29
Bear in mind that the Lord has given you the Sabbath; that is why on the sixth day he gives you bread for two days. Everyone is to stay where they are on the seventh day; no one is to go out.”

Exodus 16:30
So the people rested on the seventh day.

Exodus 20:10
but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns.

Exodus 21:2
[ Hebrew Servants ] “If you buy a Hebrew servant, he is to serve you for six years. But in the seventh year, he shall go free, without paying anything.

Exodus 24:16
and the glory of the Lord settled on Mount Sinai. For six days the cloud covered the mountain, and on the seventh day the Lord called to Moses from within the cloud.

Leviticus 8:33
Do not leave the entrance to the tent of meeting for seven days, until the days of your ordination are completed, for your ordination will last seven days.

Leviticus 8:35
You must stay at the entrance to the tent of meeting day and night for seven days and do what the Lord requires, so you will not die; for that is what I have been commanded.”

Leviticus 13:4
If the shiny spot on the skin is white but does not appear to be more than skin deep and the hair in it has not turned white, the priest is to isolate the affected person for seven days.

Leviticus 15:13
“‘When a man is cleansed from his discharge, he is to count off seven days for his ceremonial cleansing; he must wash his clothes and bathe himself with fresh water, and he will be clean.

Leviticus 23:42
Live in temporary shelters for seven days: All native-born Israelites are to live in such shelters.

Leviticus 26:18
“‘If after all this you will not listen to me, I will punish you for your sins seven times over.

Leviticus 26:21
“‘If you remain hostile toward me and refuse to listen to me, I will multiply your afflictions seven times over, as your sins deserve.

Leviticus 26:24
I myself will be hostile toward you and will afflict you for your sins seven times over.

Leviticus 26:28
then in my anger I will be hostile toward you, and I myself will punish you for your sins seven times over.

Hebrews 11:30
By faith the walls of Jericho fell, after the army had marched around them for seven days.

Revelation 1:4
[ Greetings and Doxology ] John, To the seven churches in the province of Asia: Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne,

Revelation 1:20
The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.

As we clearly see, the number seven is simply a mystery from GOD Almighty. We simply don’t know why Allah Almighty Chose the number 7.

8. Why did Prophet marry Ayesha( RA ) when she was 9 yrs old?

1- It was a divine inspiration: Before describing the rationale behind this married relation, let it be known that the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) married Sayyida Aisha not of his own desire rather it was a Divine inspiration. Read the following Hadith; Narrated ‘Aisha: That the Prophet said to her, “You have been shown to me twice in my dream. I saw you pictured on a piece of silk and some-one said (to me). ‘This is your wife.’ When I uncovered the picture, I saw that it was yours. I said, ‘If this is from Allah, it will be done.” {Bukhari :: Volume 5 :: Book 58 :: Hadith 235}

2- It was not out of his physical desires: The Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him) did not marry Sayyidah Aisha out of his physical desires. One need to note that for first 54 years of his life he had only one wife. His only wife till 50th year of his life was Sayyida Khadija. He spent his entire youth with her and she was a two time widowed woman, 15 years elder to him. For next four years his only wife was Sayyidah Sa’uda.

3- Age of Marriage in Old Ages: One must first understand that 1400 years ago was very different than now, times have changed and so have humans. 1400 years ago it was something very common to marry young girls, in fact they were not considered young girls, and rather they were considered young women back then. It is a historic fact that girls from the ages of 9 to 14 were being married in Europe, Asia, and Africa, in fact even in the United States girls at the age of 10 were also being married just more than a century ago.

Yet with these facts no historian claims that all these people were sick perverts, historians would call anyone who made such a claim to be arrogant and very stupid who has no grasp or understanding of history. Even in Indo-Pak Sub-Continent girls used to be married at 12-13 even 50-60 years ago. And those ‘girls’ infact raised much better families. There were less family problems then. A simple analyses of the divorce rate then and know would certainly make it clear that maturity level earlier used to be different i.e. people used to come of age rather quickly.

4- Child Brides in Byzantine Empire: http://www.roman-emperors.org/aggiefran.htm Visit this link to see how common were the child brides in the Byzantine Empire.This article clearly states;”Child brides, whether Byzantines or foreign princesses, were the norm rather than the exception, especially from the late twelfth century”.

5- The Pagans of the Prophet’s time: The fact that it was a completely acceptable thing can also be seen from the response of the pagans at that time. No Muslim or even pagan objected to the marriage because it was widely practiced. And even until today in 3rd world countries (Muslims and non-Muslims), little girls as young as 9 or 10 do get married. Anyway, the reason no one objected was to the Prophet’s marriage was:1-People used to have very short life-spans in Arabia. They used to live between 40 to 60 years maximum. So it was only normal and natural for girls to be married off at ages 9 or 10 or similar.2-Marriage for young girls was widely practiced among Arabs back then, and even today in many non-Muslim and Muslim countries

6- Engagement with Jubair bin Mutim: It ought also be noted that Sayyidah Aisha ( RA) was engaged to Jubayr son of Mut’im before Prophet Muhammed (Peace be upon him. This indicates the age of marriage and engagement in Prophet’s time. However, the engagement was later nullified by Jubayr’s parents due to Abu Bakr (RA) embracing Islam.Doesn’t this indicate there was nothing bad in marrying a 9 year girl at that time?She must have been even younger when she was engaged to Jubair

7- Sayyidah Aisha was fit for marriage: Furthermore as to the Holy Prophet’s marriage with Sayyidah Aisha, something people will notice is that the completion of the marriage was done when Sayyidah Aisha was 9 years old, not when she was 6, and there is a reason for that. The reason why this happened is because Sayyidah Aisha had been through puberty by the age of 9, and in Islam a female who under-goes puberty is considered a lady and is fit for marriage. If we read the hadiths, we find that right before Sayyidah Aisha got married off to the Holy Prophet that she was sick and not feeling too well: Narrated Sayyidah Aisha:”The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, “Best wishes and Allah’s Blessing and a good luck.” Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah’s Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age.” {Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234} So as we can see, Sayyidah Aisha got ill and her body was going through some changes, indicating that she was going through her puberty.

8- Sayyida Aisha never showed her displeasure: Another striking thing to observe is that among hundreds of her narrations there is not even a single one showing her displeasure about this marriage. Hence, she had no problem with this relation. Infect it is manifest from several traditions that she loved the Holy Prophet (Peace be upon him) too much and even felt some sort of jealousy when she found others around him. Does this not prove that she was extremely happy about this marriage? So, when she herself had no problem at all then what’s the matter of concern for others?

9- A 9-year old Thai girl gave birth: A 9 old girl can become a mother. If you don’t believe me then see here is the proof; The news item is from the New Straits Times, 10/3/2001. > In our world today, we still have people who marry very young girls. Why should we object to someone who married a 9-year old girl 1400 years ago, when we still practice it today? The girl above even gave birth at the age of 9!

10- It was absolutely legal: Prophet Muhammad’s marriage with Aisha was 100% legal and acceptable by all laws and Divine Religions. It is important to know that girls during the Biblical and Islamic days used to be married off at young ages when they either had their first periods,. In other words, when they turn into “women”, then they get married off. It was quite different for men on the other hand, because physical power and the ability of living an independent life had always been and will always be a mandatory requirement for men to have in life. So men waited much longer than women in terms of getting married. The guy had to develop both his body and mind before he was ready for marriage. That is why you see girls as young as 9 or 10 were married to men as old as 30 or even older. The culture back then and in many of the world countries today (NON-MUSLIM ONES TOO) is quite different than what you live in today.And there is no divine law which is broken in marrying a girl of nine at any costs.

11- Her parents never objected: Sayyidah Aisha’s mother and the Muslim women back then were O.K with her marriage. It was part of the Arab custom and still is in many of the Muslim and non-Muslim countries today for girls to marry at a very young age. When a girl’s body starts showing up (her breasts and her height and physical size), then she would be ready for marriage The only reason why Sayyidah Aisha’s father, Abu Baker Al Sidique, broke her engagement with Jober is because he was a non-Muslim. Later, a woman named Kholeah Bint Hakeem suggested for Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him to marry Sayyidah Aisha, because the Prophet and Abu Baker became best friends. Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) engaged Sayyidah Aisha for 3 years before he married her.

12- Muslims never concealed it: Had there been any bad thinking regarding this marriage in minds of the people at that time. Muslims would have tried there best to conceal at that time. But they didn’t.

13- Refuting unjust Pagan views: There were many baseless traditions in practice among the Arabs in those days. So Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) was usually ordered by the Almighty ALLAH to refute such traditions through personal examples. Similar is the case of Prophet Muhammad’s marriage with Umm al Momineen Aisha (R.A.) 1-For a bad omen, Arab considered Shawwal a month prohibited for marriage. Sayyidah A’isha’s betrothal and departure from her parent’s house took place in Shawwal. This changed the ridiculous custom. 2-Another bad custom was that the Arabs did not give the hands of their daughters to those who they “called” their brothers (though were not actual brothers). This was the objection raised by Abu Bakr himself, when the Prophet (peace be upon him) made the proposal. The Prophet (Peace be upon him) then told him that a brother in faith was not an actual blood brother to be placed in the prohibited category.

14- Great Wisdom behind this marriage: Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) marriage with Sayyidah Aisha at that age was indeed a great blessings for all the Muslims ever since. Most of the matters related to cleanliness, married relationship and other household issues have been cleared due to her narrations. She lived a long time after the death of the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) and continued to teach the Ummah about matters of daily routine and great importance. 15-What was Sayyidah Aisha famous for ?? Well what was her specialty? I ask the critics. Was it beauty? Was it wealth? No it was religion!Thus proving the DIVINE LOGIC. Arwa Bin Zubair says, “I did not find anyone more proficient (than Aisha ) in the knowledge of the Holy Quran, the Commandments of Halal (lawful) and Haram (prohibited), Ilmul-Ansab and Arabic poetry. That is why, even senior companions of the Prophet used to consult Aisha in resolving intricate issues”. (Jala-ul-Afham by Ibn Qaiyem and Ibn Sa’ad, Vol.2, p.26) Also see this; Abu Musa al-Ashari says: “Never had we (the companions) any difficulty for the solution of which we approached Aisha and did not get some useful information from her”. (Sirat-I-Aisha, on the authority of Trimidhi, pg. 163)

Maborlz Ez-Hari

Its for the seventh day adventists.

Maborlz Ez-Hari

Just curious can you explain ramadan to me?

5thDrawer

‘As I was gong to St. Ives, I met a man with 7 wives.
And every wife had seven sacks, and every sack had seven cats, and every cat had seven kits.
Kits, cats, sacks, and wives, how many were going to St. Ives?’

zjs

He is nothing but a hypocrite who hates Islam and Muslims. He can side with anyone just to see Islam and Muslims getting mocked. He is biased and flip flops when it comes to demonize Islam and Muslims. Even the Zionists and Shiites are way better than his kind, atleast they show their hatred and are honest about it unlike people like him. He thinks his brand of so called Christianity and Bible is the true teachings of Jesus (pbuh) which was never tampered, manipulated or changed. He is just another Zionist Christian who is far away from the real teachings of Jesus (pbuh) and the Bible but close to Today’s Paul’s, Zionist, Evangelical, etc. Christianity and Bible and it’s zillion versions.
Expose his Pagan beliefs if you want to give him a heavy dose of his own medicine and if he or anyone attacks and mocks Islam and Muslims then you have the utmost right to repay it back as you received !!!

Maborlz Ez-Hari

I dont hate muslims, just the beliefs. I dont hate israelis, just the zionists. Actually it might not be hate but its close so how am i a hypocrite?

zabada

A new convert to islam said..if i see to Muslims..i will not convert to Islam..I convert to islam when i see the religion of Islam.Peace..

Maborlz Ez-Hari

You sound like a confusion!

5thDrawer

Wow. Pile of ‘research’ there for sure.
And after ALLL that, your ‘comparison’ of two religions is that the one you don’t like is Pagan, and about the god RA, who still sells power at the same rates; AND the other is all about ‘Fasting’, or ‘boinking’, which are both agreed by many to be a rather good ways to clean the system if done properly – but yet doesn’t seem to have any of the ‘hold-over’ ancient myths in it for you to dump on – assumingly because it came ‘after’ from a wiser head. Amazing.
Let’s just agree that ‘religion’, per se, is ALL MUDD, one book equals another and perhaps has enough paper in it to produce some BTU’s when necessary, and is only worth ¾ kg. of barley to make some fine scotch with.
Not that I’m ‘mocking’ you, of course. 😉

Hind Abyad

guest majoos Still same record sickening hate record, no peace for Christmas (Jesus phuh)?

zjs

1. ESTABLISHMENT OF Islamic Fasting was predicted by Isaiah in the Bible:

Chapter 58 of Old Testament Book of Isaiah contains a very striking prophecy concerning establishment of Muslim fasting practices.

Before discussing the specific prophecy, it is useful to review the differences between Jewish and Muslim practices with respect to mandatory fasts.

In the Book of Leviticus the Jewish rule of fasting on a single day (“Yom Kippur,” “The Day of Atonement”) was established:

“29 And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you: 30 For on that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, that ye may be clean from all your sins before the LORD. 31 It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever.”

Leviticus 16:29-31 (King James Version), emphasis added.

The Muslim practice with respect to fasting is outlined in the Quran at 2:183-2:185:

2.183
“O ye who believe! Fasting is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you, that ye may (learn) self-restraint,”

2.184
“(Fasting) for a fixed number of days; but if any of you is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed number (should be made up) from days later. For those who can do it (with hardship), is a ransom, the feeding of one that is indigent. But he that will give more, of his own free will, it is better for him. And it is better for you that ye fast, if ye only knew.”

2.185
“Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qurán, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful.”

Quran 2:183-185, emphasis added.

Fasting during the month of Ramadan is to be carried out each day from when “the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread . . .till the night appears.” Quran 2:187.

In the Book of Isaiah, we find God expressly criticizing the Jewish fasting practices as inadequate!

“1 Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins. 2 Yet they seek me daily, and delight to know my ways, as a nation that did righteousness, and forsook not the ordinance of their God: they ask of me the ordinances of justice; they take delight in approaching to God.

“3 Wherefore have we fasted, say they, and thou seest not? wherefore have we afflicted our soul, and thou takest no knowledge? Behold, in the day of your fast ye find pleasure, and exact all your labours. 4 Behold, ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness: ye shall not fast as ye do this day, to make your voice to be heard on high. 5 Is it such a fast that I have chosen? a day for a man to afflict his soul? is it to bow down his head as a bulrush, and to spread sackcloth and ashes under him? wilt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the LORD? 6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke? 7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?

“8 Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the LORD shall be thy reward. 9 Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity; 10 And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noonday: 11 And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not. 12 And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.”

Isaiah 58:1-12 (King James Version), emphasis added.

In the-above quoted verses, God begins by addressing “the house of Jacob,” i.e. the 12 tribes of Israel and condemning them for their “transgression” and “sins” (Isaiah 58:1).

The Israelites observance of “The Day of Atonement” is specifically criticized: In Gods eyes, the 12 tribes had made “The Day of Atonement into a celebration or festival “in the day of your fast ye find pleasure.” (Isaiah 58:3, emphasis added). Also, and also Jewish fasting is condemned as being carried out for motives other than to show submission to Allah, such as the vanity and self-glorification of the worshipers: “ye fast for strife and debate, and to smite with the fist of wickedness” (Isaiah 58:3, emphasis added).

Similar criticism of hypocrisy of then-prevailing Jewish attitudes towards fasting was voiced by the prophet Issa (Greek “Jesus”):

“And when you fast, do not put on a sad face as the hypocrites do. They go around with a hungry look so that everyone will se they are fasting. Remember this! They have already been paid in full. When you go without food, wash your face and comb your hair, so that others cannot know you are fasting – only your Father, who is unseen, will know. And your Father, who sees what you do in private, will reward you.”

Matthew 6:16-18 (Todays English Version), emphasis added.

Isaiah then gives examples of proper attitudes towards fasting: Each day of fasting should be “a day for a man to afflict his soul,” “to bow down his head as a bulrush,” “to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free,” “to deal thy bread to the hungry,” to “bring the poor that are cast out to thy house” and “when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him”

(Isaiah 58:5-7, emphasis added).

After condemning prevailing Jewish attitudes and customs with respect to fasting, Isaiah prophesies that when proper fasting rituals are established:

“8 Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the LORD shall be thy reward. 9 Then shalt thou call, and the LORD shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity; 10 And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noonday: 11 And the LORD shall guide thee continually, and satisfy thy soul in drought, and make fat thy bones: and thou shalt be like a watered garden, and like a spring of water, whose waters fail not. 12 And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.”

Isaiah 58:8-12, emphasis added.

The spiritual rejuvenation of which Isaiah talks never came to Israel, but did come to the world with the Prophet Muhammad Pbuh) , who delivered Allahs message concerning righteous fasting in the Quran.

That Isaiah was referring to Muhammad (pbuh) is made clear by verse12:

“And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.”

Isaiah 57:12.

The “foundations of many generations” are a clear reference to the Kaaba:

“And remember Abraham and Isma’il raised the foundations of the House (With this prayer): Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us: For Thou art the All-Hearing, the All-knowing.”

Quran 2:127, emphasis added.

“Behold! We gave the site, to Abraham, of the (Sacred) House, (saying): “Associate not anything (in worship) with Me; and sanctify My House for those who compass it round, or stand up, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer).”

Quran 22:26, emphasis added.

Muhammad (pbuh) was “The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in,” because he restored the Kaaba as a place of worship for Allah after entering Makka and destroying the 360 idols that had been erected in the Kaaba:

“The Prophet, after confirming all the reports of the attack and subsequent events, marched to Makkah with an army consisting of three thousand Muslims of Medinah and Muslims from other Arab communities that joined him on the way totaling ten thousand Muslims. Before entering the city he sent word to citizens of Makkah that anyone who remained in his home, or in Abu Sufyans home, or in the Kabah would be safe. The army entered Makkah without fighting and the Prophet went directly to the Kabah. He magnified Allah for the triumphant entry in the Holy city. The Prophet pointed at each idol with a stick he had in his hand and said, “Truth has come and Falsehood will neither start nor will it reappear” [Qur’an 17:81]. And one by one the idols fell down. The Kabah was then cleansed by the removal of all three hundred sixty idols, and it was restored to its pristine status for the worship of One True God (as built by Prophets Ibrahim and Ismail).”

Thus, in Chapter 57 Isaiah accurately predicted both the establishment of righteous fasting by the Muslims and well as Muhammads restoration of the Kaaba as a house of worship for Allah.

2. What is Fasting in Islam? And what is the Wisdom behind it? What is Ramadan?

Ramadan is the name of the Muslims’ fasting month. Ramadan comes approximately every 11.5 months (10 to 12 days earlier every year, because the Muslim month is 29 days except for Ramadan which could be 29 or 30, and February in the normal calendar is almost always 28 days while the other months are usually 30 to 31 days such as July). So fasting could occur during the summer and during the winter:

Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah’s Apostle took an oath that he would abstain from his wives, and at that time his leg had been sprained (dislocated). So he stayed in the Mashruba (an attic room) of his for 29 days. Then he came down, and they (the people) said, “O Allah’s Apostle! You took an oath to abstain from your wives for one month.” He said, “The month is of twenty nine days.” (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Divorce, Volume 7, Book 63, Number 212)”

The Muslims start the month of Ramadan by sighting the “new moon”, which is the crescent as opposed to the full moon, and they end it by either sighting the crescent again, which would appear on either the 29th or the 30th day, or by fasting 30 days. If the moon for any reason doesn’t appear after the 30th day, then Muslims must end their fasting. The time range is shorter during the winter because the sun sets earlier, hence, making the fasting days shorter. No drinking or eating is allowed during those times.

The Wisdom behind fasting is to develop self-restraint, feel for the poor, and to fully appreciate Allah Almighty’s Holy Gifts to us here on earth from food, drinks and daily comfort.

Developing Self-Restraint, Manners and Discipline is also part of Fasting:

Narrated Abu Huraira: “The Prophet said, “Whoever does not give up forged speech and evil actions, Allah is not in need of his leaving his food and drink (i.e. Allah will not accept his fasting.)” (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 31, Number 127)”

Narrated ‘Alqama: “While I was walking with ‘Abdullah he said, “We were in the company of the Prophet and he said, ‘He who can afford to marry should marry, because it will help him refrain from looking at other women, and save his private parts from looking at other women, and save his private parts from committing illegal sexual relation; and he who cannot afford to marry is advised to fast, as fasting will diminish his sexual power.” (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 31, Number 129)”

Spouses are also not allowed to have sexual intercourse during the fasting hours. If a couple do have sex during the fasting hours, then the day they had sex on would not count, and they would have to make it up sometime before the next Ramadan month. They can eat and drink and live normally during their “invalid” or “excused” fasting day. If a couple have sex during the valid hours in the sacred month (during the non-fasting hours), then each should wash their entire body (take a shower) to become clean for the next fasting day. Failing to do so, will result them to become unclean and their fasting would not be valid:

“Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, Is the approach to your wives. They are your garments And ye are their garments. Allah knoweth what ye Used to do secretly among yourselves; But He turned to you And forgave you; So now associate with them, And see what Allah Hath ordained for you, And eat and drink, Until the white thread Of dawn appear to you Distinct from its black thread; Then complete your fast Till the night appears; But do not associate With your wives While ye are in retreat In the mosques. Those are Limits (set by) Allah: Approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth Allah make clear His Signs to men: that They may learn self-restraint. (The Noble Quran, 2:187)”

This rule also applies to the 5-daily prayers through out the entire year as well: If a couple have sex at anytime during a day, then in order for them to be able to pray, they must wash their bodies or else they would be unclean and their next prayers wouldn’t be valid:

“O ye who believe! Approach not prayers with a mind befogged, until ye can understand all that ye say,- nor in a state of ceremonial impurity (Except when travelling on the road), until after washing your whole body. If ye are ill, or on a journey, or one of you cometh from offices of nature, or ye have been in contact with women, and ye find no water, then take for yourselves clean sand or earth, and rub therewith your faces and hands. For God doth blot out sins and forgive again and again. (The Noble Quran, 4:43)”

Pregnant women, breast-feeding women, and women having menses are excused from fasting, but they have to make up the lost days sometime before the next Ramadan month. People out of town, and people who are ill are also excused from fasting and they too have to make up the days they missed sometime before the next Ramadan month. Anyone who can’t resist food and drink deprivation during the fasting day can also break his/her fast, providing that they make up the lost day sometime before the next Ramadan month. If a person can not make up a fasting day after they honestly and sincerely tried, and the next Ramadan month already came, then there are two types:

1- If a person didn’t fast because he/she were traveling or ill, then a “Fidyah” to the poor and needy should be paid for each missed day. Or you can fast some other day, to make it up, before the next Holy Month of Ramadan.

2- If the person didn’t fast because Fasting was negatively impacting his life (ex: can’t fast due to work reasons), or is just not able to fast (after seriously and sincerely and genuinely trying), then a “Kaffarah” of feeding 60 people from the poor and needy should be paid for each missed day if the person can’t fast 60 days to make it up. The person could also free a slave for a Kaffarah:

“….they must free a slave; If not able to: then to fast 60 continuous days; If not able to: then to feed 60 needy people for each missed fast day to their fill or give one Mudd (= 3/4 kg.) of food-stuff like rice, wheat or barley or bread etc. to each of them.”

Matthew 23:16-22
16 “Woe to you, blind guides! You say, ‘If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.’
17 You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred?
18 You also say, ‘If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.’
19 You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred?
20 Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it.
21 And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it.
22 And he who swears by heaven swears by God’s throne and by the one who sits on it.

This is another example of why Christianity is full of corruption. No temple should be holy enough to equate it with GOD Almighty. By you swearing by the temple and by GOD Almighty, you are in essence making them both equal. This is a form of idol-worship. Notice how even Jesus himself said that the temple makes the gold that is in it sacred, and for the altar also making the gift sacred.

These verses are some of the reasons why you see ‘holy idols’ of Jesus, Mary, the Angels, and even GOD Almighty (!) in all of the Christians’ churches. The Church, as an object, is a holy place to them – so holy that they could and would swear by it. And these idol-objects become holy by the Church.

Yet you see blasphemous pictures that these infidels put in their churches about GOD Almighty Himself:

2- The Bible’s Holiest Temple has idols of creatures that are made of gold in it!

Isaiah 41:29
See, they are all false! Their deeds amount to nothing; their images are but wind and confusion.”Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one. (From the NIV Bible, Deuteronomy 6:4)”

“God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind. Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill? (From the NIV Bible, Numbers 23:19)”

“Say: He is God, the One and Only; God, the Eternal, Absolute; He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; And there is none like unto Him. (The Noble Quran, 112:1-4)”

Indeed, Jesus Christ, the man, is only a Messenger from Allah Almighty, and he was never crucified. Isaiah 53 and Psalm 91 are discussed in great details in this link.

Yet, Christians (Catholics and NON-Catholics) DARE to make images and portraits of Allah Almighty Himself along with images of Angels, Christ, Mary and others.

3- But the portraits are not images and idols?!

Many many Christians are so superficial in their thinking that they believe that those portraits and graven idols of Jesus and the other creations of Allah Almighty are not the idols and images that the Old Testament verses, above, prohibited.

Exodus 20:4 “You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below.”

Leviticus 26:1 ” ‘Do not make idols or set up an image or a sacred stone for yourselves, and do not place a carved stone in your land to bow down before it. I am the LORD your God.”

4- The Bible also talks about New Moons:

Numbers 10:10 During the celebration of the New Moon Festival and other religious festivals, sound the trumpets while you offer sacrifices. This will be a reminder that I am the LORD your God.

1 Samuel 20:5 David answered: Tomorrow is the New Moon Festival, and I’m supposed to eat dinner with your father. But instead, I’ll hide in a field until the evening of the next day.

1 Samuel 20:18 After this Jonathan said: Tomorrow is the New Moon Festival, and people will wonder where you are, because your place will be empty.

Chronicles 23:31 They must also give thanks and sing praises when sacrifices are offered on each Sabbath, as well as during New Moon Festivals and other religious feasts. There must always be enough Levites on duty at the temple to do everything that needs to be done.

The Jews even celebrated the new moon with their “Festivals” as these verses, and many more in the Bible, clearly state! Does this now mean that the Jews worship the new moon? Of course not!

5- The pagan Christianity’s Trinity is the same as the Hindu’s Trinity:

God is 3.
God is a human being.
God has a father, a mother and a son.

It is interesting to note that Hindus also believe in Trinity and like Christianity, their God has children and relatives.

Just read up on Hinduism and you will realize that the doctrines of Hinduism and Christianity are very similar to each other.

6- The Beliefs of Christians is Similar to that of the Pagans according to Saint Justin Martyr

It has always been made clear that several and most of what Christians believe in such as the crucifixion of a savior, the unique son of God, are all just borrowed from other pagan religions before Christianity. The evidence is there for all to see, however so, Christians always like to ignore this fact and simply act like they don’t know about it. Since Christians will not accept the fact that most of their beliefs come from paganism, doubting the information they read since they do not trust it, I shall say fine, let us play that game.

What I will do in this article is simple quote a Christian church Father and a Saint, this Saint happens to be Justin Martyr, The fact that this man has been given the title of Saint by Christians tells us that he is a very high and respected figure within Christianity.

Here is some information regarding Justin Martyr incase there are some Christians out there saying Justin Martyr is a nobody:

Christian apologist, born at Flavia Neapolis, about A.D. 100, converted to Christianity about A.D. 130, taught and defended the Christian religion in Asia Minor and at Rome, where he suffered martyrdom about the year 165. Two “Apologies” bearing his name and his “Dialogue with the Jew Tryphon” have come down to us. Leo XIII had a Mass and an Office composed in his honour and set his feast for 14 April.

It is from one of his works that I shall be quoting from; the piece that I quote from is called ‘The First Apology’.

With all this said, I shall now quote the relevant information from this Saint of Christianity:

CHAPTER XXI — ANALOGIES TO THE HISTORY OF CHRIST.

And when we say also that the Word, who is the first-birth of God, was produced without sexual union, and that He, Jesus Christ, our Teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven, we propound NOTHING DIFFERENT from WHAT YOU BELIEVE regarding those whom you esteem sons of Jupiter. For you know how many sons your esteemed writers ascribed to Jupiter: Mercury, the interpreting word and teacher of all; AEsculapius, who, though he was a great physician, was struck by a thunderbolt, and so ascended to heaven; and Bacchus too, after he had been torn limb from limb; and Hercules, when he had committed himself to the flames to escape his toils; and the sons of Leda, and Dioscuri; and Perseus, son of Danae; and Bellerophon, who, though sprung from mortals, rose to heaven on the horse Pegasus. For what shall I say of Ariadne, and those who, like her, have been declared to be set among the stars? And what of the emperors who die among yourselves, whom you deem worthy of deification, and in whose behalf you produce some one who swears he has seen the burning Caesar rise to heaven from the funeral pyre? And what kind of deeds are recorded of each of these reputed sons of Jupiter, it is needless to tell to those who already know. (Justin Martyrs First Apology: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0126.htm)

Notice what this man is saying, he is telling the Roman rulers that what the Christians believe in is nothing different than what the Roman pagans believe in, that Jupiter who is one of their gods also had sons, making them sons of god. Justin then goes on to mention other beliefs of these Roman pagans of people ascending into heaven just like Jesus did etc.

So if this is not enough prove that the Christian belief system is the same as the pagan beliefs then I don’t know what is! This Christian saint is saying it in plane words that what the Christians BELIEVE IN IS NOTHING DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE ROMAN PAGANS BELIEVE IN, how much more clearly do you want it to be?!

This all proves that the Christian faith of Paul was simply another branch of paganism that popped out, the only difference is that Paul claimed it was from the true God and other forms of paganism was wrong, how convenient wouldn’t you say? Paul borrowed all his beliefs from pagan religions that were around him, and centered it all on Jesus, and then he had the audacity to say the other pagans are wrong when he plagiarized their belief! What makes this all the more worst for the Christian faith is that Paul also destroyed the Jewish law given by God to Moses!

Note how evil Paul is, he destroys God’s true law given to Moses, making it into nothing, and replaces it by pagan beliefs claiming that this is the true way! WOW! Satan is very proud of Paul wouldn’t you say? He has managed to fool up to a billion people into believing they believe in a true faith of God, when in fact they believe in paganism and that the true law from God is actually made into nothing and thrown away! The Jews living at the time of Paul were not dumb, they knew that Paul was destroying the Torah, which is exactly why they did not like him, however so; sadly the pagans loved Paul so his form of pagan Christianity succeeded and this is what you have today.

But no need to worry, Islam has come to abolish ALL forms of paganism including this one created by the Satanist Paul.

7- The Pagan Origins of the Cross

In reading the New Testament we must cease to think of the man Jesus, and even of the “Son of God”, and think of him rather of the sun of god, for this is a solar myth, and its dying hero, a dying sun. [1]

The cross is a pagan symbol that was adored in Egypt thousands of years before Jesus was born. The Roman Catholic Church adopted the cross symbol at least 600 years after Jesus was supposedly crucified. Even the early Christians of North Africa rejected the wooden cross after Tertullian condemned it.

“Crosses, moreover, we Christians neither venerate nor wish for. You indeed who consecrate gods of wood venerate wooden crosses, perhaps as parts of your gods. For your very standards, as well as your banners, and flags of your camps, what are they but crosses gilded and adorned? Your victorious trophies not only imitate the appearance of a simple cross, but also that of a man affixed to it.” [1]

The pagan roots of Christianity are clearly indicated by this confession. Tertullian was a Christian who later became a Gnostic. He implies that Christians borrowed the sun-god myth.

The Pagan philosopher and satirist Celsus criticized Christians for trying to pass off the Jesus story as a new revelation when it was actually an inferior imitation of pagan myths. He asks:

Are these distinctive happenings unique to the Christians-and if so, how are they unique? Or are ours to be accounted myths and theirs believed? What reasons do the Christians give for the distinctiveness of their beliefs? In truth there is nothing at all unusual about what the Christians believe, except that they believe it to the exclusion of more comprehensive truths about God.

The early Christians were painfully aware of such criticisms. How could Pagan myths which predated Christianity by hundreds of years have so much in common with the biography of the one and only savior Jesus? Desperate to come up with an explanation, the Church fathers resorted to one of the most absurd theories ever advanced. From the time of Justin Martyr in the second century onward, they declared that the Devil had plagiarized Christianity by anticipation in order to lead people astray! Knowing that the true Son of God was literally to come and walk the Earth, the Devil had copied the story of his life in advance of it happening and created the myths of Osiris-Dionysus.

The Church father Tertullian writes of the Devil’s diabolical mimicry in creating the Mysteries of Mithras:

The devil, whose business is to pervert the truth, mimics the exact circumstances of the Divine Sacraments. He baptizes his believers and promises forgiveness of sins from the Sacred Fount, and thereby initiates them into the religion of Mithras. Thus he celebrates the oblation of bread, and brings in the symbol of the resurrection. Let us therefore acknowledge the craftiness of the devil, who copies certain things of those that be Divine.

Studying the myths of the Mysteries it becomes obvious why these early Christians resorted to such a desperate explanation. (The Jesus Mysteries, pp. 26-27)

The scholar Timothy Freke says:

The Vatican was constructed upon the site of an ancient Pagan sanctuary because the new is always built upon the old. In the same way Christianity itself has as its foundations the Pagan spirituality that preceded it. (ibid, p. 12)

Amazingly, the bishop Tertullian believed Jesus was crucified, but he rejected the cross as pagan. This probably means the Church of Carthage also believed what Tertullian believed: The wooden cross is pagan.

Tertullian used to mark the forehead with a cross:

“In all our travels and movements”, says Tertullian (De cor. Mil., iii), “in all our coming in and going out, in putting of our shoes, at the bath, at the table, in lighting our candles, in lying down, in sitting down, whatever employment occupieth us, we mark our foreheads with the sign of the cross” [2]

It seems Tertullian acknowledged Jesus died on a cross, but rejected wooden crosses. Nevertheless, he unambiguously said that Christianity borrowed the cross and the concept of “dying for the sins of mankind”. Therefore, Christianity is rehashed paganism and the New Testament is recycled pagan myth!

The followers of Tammuz also marked the forehead with a cross!

A pagan sign of the mystic Tau of the Chaldeans and the Egyptians, this cross was a symbol of the Roman god Mithras and the Greek Attis, and their forerunner Tammuz, the Sumerian solar god, consort of the goddessIshtar. Conveniently, the original form of the letter ‘T’ was the initial letter of the god of Tammuz. During baptism ceremonies, this cross was marked on the foreheads by the pagan priest. [3]

The cross symbol (T) was the original cross of Jesus:

The cross of Christ, as experts seem to agree, was actually a bar placed across the top of an upright, so it was not a cross at all. It was a “Tee” (T), called “Taw” in Hebrew and “Tau” in Greek. So the cross that the victim was suspended from was actually a crossbar, and perhaps in those days this was called the cross. The “Taw” sign was the symbol of the dying and rising god, Tammuz, and “Taw” was the sign that was made on the heads of those marked for salvation by the god. So, crucifixion images might not be as conventional as the ones based on the Catholic crucifix. [1]

After the Egyptian/Greek/Roman pagans converted to Christianity, “these different signs of the cross were united in one large sign such as we now make. In the Western Church the hand was carried from the left to the right shoulder; in the Eastern Church, on the contrary, it was brought from the right shoulder to the left, the sign being made with three fingers. This apparently slight difference was one of the (remote) causes of the fatal Eastern Schism. [2]

8- Today’s Christianity is based on the sun-god myth

The early Christians of Egypt were accused of sun-worship:

A letter ascribed in the Augustan History to the Emperor Hadrian refers to the worship of Serapis by residents of Egypt who described themselves as Christians, and Christian worship by those claiming to worshipSerapis:

The land of Egypt, the praises of which you have been recounting to me, my dear Servianus, I have found to be wholly light-minded, unstable, and blown about by every breath of rumour. There those who worshipSerapis are, in fact, Christians, and those who call themselves bishops of Christ are, in fact, devotees of Serapis. (Augustan History, Firmus et al. 8) [1]

The cross was adopted six hundred years after Jesus’ departure.

It will come as a surprise to many that the first known figure of a god on a cross is a likeness of the sun god Orpheus from some three centuries B.C.E. The crucifix on the amulet on the cover of The Jesus Mysteries, byFreke and Gandy, clearly depicts this image. (Tom Harper, The Pagan Christ, pp. 45-46)

“That which is now called the Christian cross was originally no Christian emblem at all, but was the mystic Tau of the Chaldeans and Egyptians — the true original form of the letter T — the initial of the name of Tammuz […] That mystic Tau was marked in baptism on the foreheads of those initiated in the Mysteries, and was used in every variety of way as a most sacred symbol. […] The Vestal virgins of Pagan Rome wore it suspended from their necklaces, as the nuns do now. The Egyptians did the same […] There is hardly a Pagan tribe where the cross has not been found. The cross was worshipped by the Pagan Celts long before the incarnation and death of Christ.”

“The ancient Egyptian hieroglyphic symbol of life — the ankh, a tau cross surmounted by a loop and known as crux ansata — was adopted and extensively used on Coptic Christian monuments.” (The New Encyclopedia Britannica, 15th edition, 1995, volume 3, page 753)

“A still more curious fact may be mentioned respecting this hieroglyphical character [the Tau], that the early Christians of Egypt adopted it […] numerous inscriptions, headed by the Tau, are preserved to the present day on early Christian monuments.” (Wilkinson’s Egyptians, by Sir J. G. Wilkinson, volume 5, page 283-284)

The use of the cross as a religious symbol in pre-Christian times, and among non-Christian peoples, may probably be regarded as almost universal, and in very many cases it was connected with some form of nature worship.”
(The Encyclopedia Britannica, 11th edition, 1910, volume 7, page 506)

Here is an excerpt from Misha’al ibn `Abdullah Al-Kadhi

The ancient Egyptians also adopted the cross as a religious symbol of their pagan gods. Countless Egyptian drawings depict themselves holding crosses in their hands. Among them, the Egyptian savior Horus is depicted holding a cross in his hand. He is also depicted as an infant sitting on his mother’s knee with a cross on the seat they occupy. The most common of the crosses used by these pagan Egyptians, the CRUX ANSATA, was later adopted by the Christians.

The Egyptian savior, Osiris, the Egyptian god of the dead and the underworld, is sometimes represented holding out this cross to mortals signifying that this person has discarded mortality for the life to come.

Another cross has been unearthed in Ireland. It belongs to the cult of the Persian god of the sun “Mithra” and bears a crucified effigy. The Greeks and Romans too adopted the cross as their religious symbol many centuries before Christianity did the same. An ancient inscription in Tessaly is accompanied by a Calvary cross. More crosses can be found to adorn the tomb of king Midas in Phrygia. The above references may be referred to for many more examples. [1]

The legendary stories of ‘man-god’ saviors dying for the sins of their people (and rising three days later) were very common. Christianity is based on the sun-god myth. In fact the whole religion was fabricated after the departure of Jesus. None of these saviors are historical, but only personifications of the sun.

Here is an excerpt from Mather Walker’s essays:

Orpheus (from whom the Orphics received their name) and Dionysus went to Hades and returned. The Christians created the tradition that during the three days while Jesus was dead before his resurrection He went to hell and preached to the souls in prison.

Significantly, Plato, who follows the Orphic and mystery teachings throughout his dialogues, has the following to say, in the Republic II (362e), referring to the just man:

“What they will say is this, that such being his
disposition the just man will have to endure the lash,
the rack, chains, the branding iron in his eyes, and
finally, after every extremity of suffering, he will
be crucified.”

The Orphics had a number of books which contained the details of their theology.These books have been lost, but I have no doubt this little jewel from Plato came straight from one of these. Dionysus was known by the name “Pentheus”, i.e. “man of suffering.” [1]

The Babylonian god Tammuz also died and resurrected.

Tammuz was a god of Assyria, Babylonia and Sumeria where he was known as Dumuzi. He is commemorated in the name of the month of June, Du’uzu, the fourth month of a year which begins at the spring equinox. The fullest history extant of this saviour is probably that of Ctesias (400 BC), author of Persika. The poet has perpetuated his memory in rhyme.

Tammuz was crucified as an atonement offering: “Trust ye in God, for out of his loins salvation has come unto us.” Julius Firmicus speaks of this God rising from the dead for the salvation of the world. This saviour which long preceded the advent of Christ, filled the same role in sacred history. (Warning: atheist website [2]

The doctrine of salvation by crucifixion had, like many of the ancient forms of religious faith, an astronomical origin. The sun is hung on a cross or crucified when it passes through the equinoxes. People in northern climates were saved by the sun’s crucifixion when it crossed over the equatorial line into the season of spring, at the vernal equinox at Easter, and thereby gave out a saving heat and light to the world and stimulated the generative organs of animal and vegetable life. (*)

This pagan festival is actually a combination of both Astoria (from which the word Easter is derived from), the female goddess of fertility of the northern European Saxons and the Isis-Osiris cult. The lover of Astoria, Attis, dies and is reborn annually, in conjunction with the summer solactice (spring time), the time of the year of the Easter celebrations. The theology of Attis was incorporated into the events of Prophet Jesus (as), according to the Christian church that is. The symbol of Astoria is the EGG, which is part of the Easter celebration (Easter Egg). In the Isis-Osiris cult of ancient Egypt, crucifixion was often a required means of sacrificing the King as the INCARNATION OF GOD for the SALVATION of man. Such bloody sacrifices were accompanied by the belief that the saviour’s flesh and blood had to be eaten and drank in a cannibalistic sacrament. This is currently practiced by the Catholic church, metaphorically, in all their masses. Yet, one cannot ignore the pagan roots of this act. The Catholic church actually believes in the transubstantiation of this ceremony, instituted by St. Thomas Aquinas in the 12th century, meaning, the Catholics believe that the bread and wine used turns into the actual flesh and blood of Prophet Jesus(as), exactly in line with the ceremony of the Isis-Osiris cult, which dates back to 1700 BC. The notion that Prophet Jesus(as) had to be sacrificed for the salvation of all mankind traces back to this older barbarism. [1]

The scholar Tom Harper states:

“The divine teacher is called, is tested by the “adversary”, gathers disciples, heals the sick, preaches the Good News about God’s kingdom, finally runs afoul of his bitter enemies, suffers, dies, and is resurrected after three days. This is the total pattern of the sun god in all the ancient dramas”. (The Pagan Christ, p. 145)

When the Council of Nicea took place, the Emperor Constantine

– Declared the Roman Sun-day to be the Christian Sabbath.

– Adopted the traditional birthday of the Sun-god, and the twenty-fifth of December, as the birthday of Jesus;

– Borrowed the emblem of the Sun-god, the cross of light, to be the emblem of Christianity;

– And, although the statue of Jesus replaced the idol of the Sun-god, decided to incorporate all the ceremonies which were performed at the Sub-gods birthday celebrations into their own ceremonies.

Christianity betrays the True Jesus as portrayed in the Quran, and there is no other alternative but to accept the True Jesus. The only Revelation of God that does not degrade Jesus is the Quran. All other Scriptures must be abrogated in favor of the Quran alone.

Here is the evidence for my assertions.

The fertilizing winter sun having been crucified, and the summer sun risen into the heavens in resurrection, the blood of the grape, ripened by its the heat, was symbolically “the blood of the cross,” or “the blood of the Lamb.” Jesus is not the true vine for no reason.

Because of our Christian culture and its imagery, the cross is necessarily the instrument of the saviour god’s torture. However, because the celestial origin of crucifixion in solar myths is that the sun crosses over the celestial equator, the heavenly sign of the equinoxes, the image of a crossover in the sky would be a cross like the Greek letter Chi (X) not a Plus (+). (Warning: Atheist website [1])

The evidence that Christianity was in its beginnings firmly rooted in an Egyptian-style, equinoctial mode of thinking still abounds today. The birthday of Jesus Christ was first celebrated by the earliest Church in the spring of the year. But in 345, Pope Julius decreed that the birthday (nobody knew any precise date for it, suggesting again that the entire thing was pure myth) should thenceforth be held on December 25, three days after the “death” of the winter solstice and the same day on which the births of Mithras, Dionysus, the Sol Invictus (unconquerable sun), and several other gods were traditionally celebrated. (Tom Harper, The Pagan Christ, p. 82).

The sun is born on the 25th of December, the birthday of Jesus Christ. The first and greatest of the labors of Jesus Christ is his victory over the serpent, the evil principle, or the devil. In his first labor Hercules strangled the serpent, as did Krishna, Bacchus, etc. his is the sun triumphing over the powers of hell and darkness; and, as he increases, he prevails, till he is crucified in the heavens, or is decussated in the form of a cross (according to Justin Martyr) when he passes the equator at the vernal equinox. (Lloyd Graham, Myths and Deceptions of the Bible, p. 208)

“Although surprising to us now, to writers of the first few centuries CE these similarities between the new Christian religion and the ancient Mysteries were extremely obvious. Pagan critics of Christianity, such as the satirist Celsus, complained that this recent religion was nothing more than a pale reflection of their own ancient teachings. Early ‘Church Fathers,’ such as Justin Martyr, Tertullian, and Irenaeus, were understandably disturbed and resorted to the desperate claim that these similarities were the result of diabolical mimicry. Using one of the most absurd arguments ever advanced, they accused the Devil of “plagiarism by anticipation,” of deviously copying the true story of Jesus before it had actually happened in an attempt to mislead the gullible!” Timothy Freke & Peter Gandy (1999).

Julius Firmicus was a Christian author of the fourth century. He wrote a book called “The Errors of the Profane Religions.” He found that many of these pagan religions of the Roman world had Saviors or Redeemers. He learned that every year the birth of these gods was celebrated, often in mid-winter, and every year, often about the time of our Easter, the death and resurrection of the gods were celebrated. He discovered that in some of these religions bread and wine were used at the altar, and candles and incense and sacred water were part of the ritual. (Joseph McCabe (1867-1955) The Story of Religious Controversy. Chapter 2)

“The Christian religion is a parody on the worship of the Sun, in which they put a man whom they call Christ, in the place of the Sun, and pay him the same adoration which was originally paid to the Sun.” Thomas Paine,The Age of Reason

The desperate response by Christians to solve these parallels is weak because the Gospel story doesn’t have to be
100% plagiarized! For example, Osiris was ripped to pieces and restored to life, but Jesus was never “ripped to pieces and restored to life”.

The cult of Osiris had a particularly strong interest towards the concept of immortality. According to the myth surrounding the cult, Set (Osiris’s evil brother) fooled Osiris into getting into a coffin, which he then shut and threw into the Nile. Osiris’s wife searched for his remains until she finally found them and brought them back to Egypt. Once Osiris’s evil brother found out, he cut the body into pieces, and again threw them into the Nile. The faithful companion of Osiris, Isis, gathered up all the parts of the body and bandaged them together for a proper burial. The Gods were impressed by the devotion of Isis and thus restored Osiris to life in the form of a different kind of existence as the god of the underworld. [1]

Okay, we know Osiris died and resurrected differently from Jesus, but the story is the same: A “man-god” who dies and resurrects. The idea was borrowed by the Church, not the story itself. (*)

The website Tektonics confesses that Tammuz ‘resurrected’, but it has “no parallel to the Christian religion” which is nonsense. The early Church borrowed the idea.

The death and “raising” of Tammuz occurs every year and corresponds with the natural cycle of vegetation. This provides no parallel at all for the Christian religion, expect by redefining terms into meaninglessness (i.e., “resurrection” meaning not just a specific Jewish concept, but any dead-alive transition!) and ignoring vast differences in meaning. [2]

Nobody worships Tammuz today, but millions of Christians worship Jesus as the “crucified savior who rose again”. The writer desperately says “this provides no parallel at all to the Christian religion”. But the parallels are very striking and evident. The Greeks and Romans converted to Christianity because it resembled their previous beliefs!

A true Jew would have immediately recognized the teaching of Jesus as a reaffirmation of what Moses had taught. But to many a pagan, it must have seemed new and strange and perhaps a little complicated. Most of the pagans still believed in a multitude of gods who, it was thought, mixed freely with human beings, mated with them, and took part in every sphere of human life. To the common people of Greece, any description of Jesus must have seemed like a description of one of their gods, and they were probably quite ready to accept Jesus in this capacity. There was always room for one more god. However, the actual teaching of Jesus negated all their gods, since it affirmed the Divine Unity”. (Muhammad Ataur-Raheem, Jesus Prophet of Islam, p. 62)

Whatever else one may believe about Jesus, it is clear both from the New Testament documents and from the creeds of the early Church that he was a fully human being. He knew hunger, thirst, weariness; he endured pain, grief, and the agony of doubt; he experienced birth and death. His appearance must have been ordinary, for on several occasions when trouble was brewing he was able to simply lose himself in the crowds. The Church of the first few centuries had little trouble selling the idea of God-in-human form to a non-Jewish audience: this kind of myth was commonplace at this time. (Tom Harper, For Christ’s Sake, p. 32)

Paul produced a religion which encompassed different contradictory elements. He took the Unitarianism of the Jews and added to it the philosophy of the pagans”. (Jesus Prophet of Islam, p. 71)

This shift of emphasis from Jesus as a man to the new image of Christ, who was divine, enabled the intellectuals in Greece and Rome to assimilate into their own philosophy what Paul and those who followed him were preaching. (ibid, p. 70)

“…By using material familiar to these congregations, even while reshaping it for his own purposes, Paul was performing as an accomplished rhetor. That would not have been unusual for the times. (Mack Burton, Who Wrote the New Testament? p. 77)

Paul abolished the Law, which was followed and preached by Jesus (pbuh), and corrupted the whole religion, giving it a new form. The main ambition behind all this was, in his own words, “to win a larger number” of followers; the followers of a new religion “the Pauline Christianity”. (Roshen Enam, Follow Jesus or Follow Paul p. 69)

The following is a list of dying-rising gods:

Aboriginal mythology

Julunggul

Wawalag

Akkadian mythology

Tammuz

Ishtar

Arabian mythology

Phoenix

Aztec mythology

Quetzalcoatl

Xipe Totec

Celtic mythology

Cernunnos

Christian mythology

Jesus

Dacian mythology

Zalmoxis

Egyptian mythology

Isis

Osiris

Etruscan mythology

Atunis

Greek mythology

Adonis

Cronus

Cybele

Dionysus

Orpheus

Persephone

Hindu mythology

Trimurti

Brahma

Vishnu

Siva

Khoikhoi mythology

Heitsi

Norse mythology

Balder

Gullveig

Persian mythology

Mithras

Phrygian mythology

Attis

Roman mythology

Aeneas

Bacchus

Proserpina

Slavic mythology

Veles

Jarilo

Sumerian mythology

Damuzi

Inanna

The above crucified saviors are personifications of the sun, or symbolizing the birth and death of vegetation. The Gospel story of Jesus is plagiarized from the pagan myths.

According to the Bible, Jesus died on a tree

The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. (Acts 5:30, 10:39)

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree: (Galatians 3:13)

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. (1 Peter 2:24)

The scholar Arthur Weigall describes that Osiris was crucified upon a tree, like many previous ‘man-gods’, the cross was not unique, its pagan symbol. The Jehovah Witnesses believe that Jesus was crucified upon a ‘stake’.

The ‘tree story’ was indeed plagiarized from the story of Osiris and Isis.

The Popular and widespread religion of Osiris and Isis exercised considerable influence upon early Christianity, for these two great Egyptian deities, whose worship had passed into Europe were revered in Rome and in several other centres, where Christian communities were growing up. Osiris and Isis, so runs the legend, were brother and sister and also husband and wife; but Osiris was murdered, his coffined body being thrown into the Nile, and shortly afterwards the widowed and exiled Isis gave birth to a son, Horus. The coffin, meanwhile, was washed up on the Syrian coast, and became miraculously lodged in the trunk of a tree, so that Osiris, like other sacrificed gods, could be described as having been.’ slain and hanged on a tree.’ (The Paganism in Our Christianity, Arthur Weigall, 1928, p118)

Islam has destroyed the false charges against Jesus.

Christ the son of Mary was no more than an apostle; many were the apostles that passed away before him. His mother was a woman of truth. They had both to eat their (daily) food. See how Allah doth make His signs clear to them; yet see in what ways they are deluded away from the truth! (Al-Quran 5:75)

O people of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that ye used to hide in the Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary). There hath come to you from Allah a (new) light and a perspicuous Book, Wherewith Allah guideth all who seek His good pleasure to ways of peace and safety, and leadeth them out of darkness, by His will, unto the light,- guideth them to a path that is straight. (Al-Quran 5:15-16)

[1] (Lloyd Graham, Deceptions and Myths of the Bible, p. 361)

9- Pagan Symbols in Today’s Christianity

Temples and robes, crosses and chants, form an important part of Christian worship, yet their origins are far from Christian.

Caveat Lector

By ‘pagan’, we are taking the widest definition of anything that is not monotheistic.

The Church

Many of today’s customs used in the Church can be traced back to the 4th century, when Constantine permitted the process of converting the official religion of the Roman Empire from Paganism to Christianity.

Note the word ‘converting’. Changing the sign on the door is a lot easier, quicker and cheaper than changing the whole building. Christianity was modelled on many customs that were familiar and acceptable to Jews and Pagans at that time, when religion and belief were intertwined with superstition.

This contrasts with today’s norm – at least in economically advanced countries – where people now have greater access to education and science, and base their religious belief on reasoning rather than superstition. (See also Isn’t religion simply glorified superstition?)

But don’t misunderstand the use of the word ‘converting’; the birth of Christianity was not merely a recycle job. There’s little doubt that early Christians adopted well-known customs to develop their religion and doctrine. To suggest otherwise is to say that the seeds sown by God for earlier faiths was a mistake.

By definition, God does not make mistakes.

Christianity

Even the word ‘Christian’ was coined by Pagans.

The first followers of Christ borrowed Jewish terms to describe themselves, such as ‘believers’ and ‘disciples’ (but in Hebrew, of course). Two of the early missionaries, Paul and Barnabas, went to work spreading the Gospel in the Pagan metropolis of Antioch, where the locals derisively called them ‘Christians’.2

Paul and Barnabas would certainly not have disputed that they were indeed Christians and would have been quite pleased that the Romans made it the official name.

Religious symbols

Over-emphasizing the relevance and importance of religious symbols can lead to conflict.

Consider the tensions raised in France during 2004/5, following the banning conspicuous religious symbols that didn’t blend into secular state schools3. The ‘headscarf issue’ resulted in just a handful of school expulsions but more damagingly generated ill-feeling, divided the country and achieved nothing positive.4

This was exacerbated in July 2010 by the French government Assembly overwhelmingly approving a bill banning burqas and niqabs in any public place. Syria also bans the niqab at universities and headscarves are banned at Turkish universities. Several other European and Middle Eastern countries have considered introducing laws that make walking around naked a less punishable offence than walking around fully clothed.

“Where there are few species, like at the South Pole, the ecosystem is fragile. The greater the number of species; the stronger the ecosystem. And the same applies to culture: Monoculture is fragile. If cultural diversity6 is lost, the human species will become extinct.”
Jacques Cousteau (1910-1997)

Setting the law is, of course, the right of governments, and as with many laws, people get upset when they feel restrictions offend their particular cultural traditions. But far from being an example of a ‘Clash of Civilizations’, this could be more accurately described as anignorance of civilizations5, where too much emphasis has been placed on religious symbols, to the point that they are used as excuses for prejudicial, negative (or positive) discrimination.

And if we look into the origin of many symbols, we see they often have a shaky basis for being considered religious at all. The veil, mentioned above, is just one example.

The Origin of the Symbols

In his 1878 Essay on the Development of the Christian Doctrine John H. Newman wrote:

“The use of temples, and these dedicated to particular saints, and ornamented on occasions with branches of trees; incense, lamps and candles; votive offerings on recovery from illness; holy water; asylums; holy days and seasons, use of calendars, processions, blessings on the fields,sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure, the ring in marriage, turning to the east, images at a later date, perhaps the ecclesiastical chant, and the Kyrie Eleison7, are all of pagan origin, and sanctified by their adoption into the Church.”

It is interesting to note that John Newman was a Catholic prelate – this was not yet more Catholic-bashing by a Protestant.

Perhaps many customs and symbols came into Christianity via Judaism, rather than directly from Paganism. Nevertheless, let’s consider what John Newman meant by ‘origin’:

Holiness

The word ‘holy’ may have been derived from the Old English hālig, which means ‘wholeness’, or the Old High German hulis, meaning ‘holly’, which was considered a sacred plant to Pagans.

Blessings

From the sprinkling of blood on the altar.

Calendars

Our Days, Months and Seasons come from the stars

Our way of measuring time (see hours, minutes and seconds) is based on an early Babylonian system, and our modern calendar is based on Pagan practices, astrology and mythology.

But whether we consider ourselves religious or not, we do not think of the calendar as a religious thing; it’s merely a means to measure time, using things called days and months.

If someone believes a particular date (Easter, for example) has some mystical power, it is the value that person has placed on it. The same goes for the Bible, the cross, and all the other items adopted by Christians that have a Pagan origin.

Fish symbol

Sometimes called the ‘Jesus Fish’ because of its link to the ancient Greek Ichthys. Currently vogue, the fish symbol is not as widely recognised as a Christian symbol. It means nothing to most non-Christians and largely known only ‘in-house’.

The fish is an ancient symbol used by other religions, such as Buddhism and Paganism. Our fish symbol page shows how Christians have hooked this symbol.

Pagan crosses

The cross is a remarkable shape. Usually just two intersecting lines, the symbol is used in mathematics, it stops people parking their cars at the road side, and stops people at international border checkpoints. It’s a kiss at the bottom of a love letter and it’s a vote for a politician. A death cross in financial terms means a situation where long-term and short-term averages converge. The cross is used extensively in black magic and in innumerable religions.

The Cross – an Emblem of Christianity explains how this simplest of symbols has evolved from its Pagan roots. We explain how it has caused as much grief as it has comforted. A torture instrument, a threat to entire civilizations, and yet used as jewellery and sometimes worshipped. It has associations with illegal psychedelic drugs, BSE and bird flu, Prince Harry, hatred and despair, love, valour and heroism, World War I, World War II, the Crusades, the invasion of Iraq (again), mythology, Satan, and salvation.

Pagan clothing

Vestments and fancy garb do not make the wearer apriest.

They have always been little more than symbols of status; a tradition passed down through civilization, and added to along the way.

Look at the ecclesiastical finery sported by high churches – those that emphasize formality and resist modernisation.

Some feel such distinction in the church is inappropriate8 but the tradition continues.

Church buildings and Pagan temples

The Early Church was not so wealthy, neither were Christians. The disciples were fishermen, artisans and of the peasant class; not wealthy princes. Even if they wanted to build churches of their own design, there was no money for such a luxury. Therefore existing buildings were adapted.

When it was possible to build a new church, the design was usually in the form of an oblong, a cross or elliptical, like a ship or fish. It was hardly ever circular, since that was the shape favoured by heathen religions. Nevertheless, the need for a special place for worship was recognised and the design, with some differences, was the osmosis of Pagan structures.

Those same basic layouts, well-intentioned though spiritually baseless, remain today.

Icon worship – idolatry and iconolatry

Even today, there are Crusading ‘Christians’ who kill people, sincerely believing they are doing God’s work whilst ignoring a basic Commandment “Thou shalt not kill”9. Consequently it is not surprising that most Christians ignore another: “Thou shalt not make to thee any graven image”10. (Jewish and Islamic laws about murder and idolatry are almost identical to Christian laws.)

This prohibition of idolatry is not usually interpreted literally. The pope hired Michelangelo; Eastern Orthodox churches display icons; Roman Catholicchurches contain statues; Protestant churches hang drawings; and almost all churches have one or more crosses.

Since pre-Christian times we have wanted to see God. But we cannot physically see into a different dimension, so we erect effigies of what we think God looks like. Or rather, we erect effigies of what we want God to look like, and that entices us to worship the effigies as idols.11

An idol can be something coveted, like a statue, a cross, a Bible, a stained-glass window. It can be a deep green, ecological perspective of the earth; not far removed from Nature Worship.

“Our spiritual peril is the new idolatry – the worship of the God of Bigness and the God of Speed.” (Mcilyar H. Lichliter)

An idol can overtake God in the importance we place on it. Consider the millions of pilgrims, who for decades have touched the spiritualgrotto at Our Lady of Lourdes in southern France. And since many have physically and spiritually benefitted from the visit, it’s hardly surprising that people revere the place.

If idols have any supernatural power at all, it must be the power to trick us into believing we are not really worshipping them. The most popular idol does exactly that: The idollar. Without being aware, we sacrifice our time and energy, our family and friends, to the idollar. Eventually we might discover that the money god doesn’t love us or even like us, but usually we are oblivious to idollartry and carry on worshipping it.

Candles

We’ve included candles on this page, but they don’t in themselves have much of a Pagan origin, other than as a representation of light, goodness, spiritual healing, etc.

Candles are not mentioned often the Bible, since they didn’t really match the lighting power of (olive) oil lamps in the Middle East until the 5thcentury.

Oil lamps were in use before Christianity, not only to replace darkness with light, but also to repel dark spirits. Only a superstition, yet quite natural and understandable behaviour. As children we prefer the light on at night to keep the bogeyman away.

Bells and bell ringing

A bell makes a sound – you probably knew that already. But they also do things that are much more important.

For example, the Liberty Bell in Philadelphia, USA, symbolises America’s 18th century independence from Britain, the 19th century abolition of slavery, and the mid-20th century Cold War icon of God Bless America.

Such religious symbolism began in Paganism and has since been adopted by the Church.

Incense

Originally used to repel bad smells, the aroma from burning resin was used to dispel bad spirits.

Does this have any place in Christian worship?

Tonsure

A monk with his head shaved as a tonsure.
Balderdash (n.) a rapidly receding hairline.

The shaven head sported bymonks and clerics of certain religious orders for hundreds of years has a simple origin.

Vow of Silence

Trappist Monks, famous for their contemplative silence, follow the Scriptures12so that the voice of the world might be shut out and the voice of God might be heard. But Christian monks didn’t invent the idea.

Pythagoreans from around 530 B.C. took the practice of silence seriously; breaking the vow of silence carried the death penalty. And the priestess-guardians of the sacred Roman fire, the Vestal Virgins, lived in silence for years at a time.

Vidar, son of Odin13 was the Norse god of silence and there was a minor Roman goddess of silence called Muta, from which we get the word ‘mute’.

Chants

Songs in the form of chants, poems, and later as hymns, cantatas, anthems, oratorios or motets, are useful mnemonic methods.

Singing makes us feel hearty and that’s why we sing; whether it’s a chant or any other form. Singing helps us feel young and energetic, even if we’re not very proficient. Singing helps relieve tension. Singing is therapeutic. Communal singing turns an audience into participants.

Chanting has never been restricted to Christianity – Pagans used it as part of their worship too. Like the word Glory, chants are not even restricted to religion. They are used by squads of jogging soldiers, team-sports players in training, supporters at a match, cheerleaders, supporters at a political convention, children reciting nursery rhymes and the alphabet song.

One particular type of Christian hymn is called a carol, which is sung atChristmas time; another custom with Pagan roots:

Christmas

Christmas is one of the biggest events on the Christian calendar, yet the customs we associate with the event are steeped in Paganism.

Prayer posture and words

A prayer is a collection of words spoken aloud or silently, to our god. Man has prayed to the nature gods for millennia; it was certainly not a new invention for Christianity.

And it was natural, like all the things listed above, for Christians to adopt this form of communication with their God.

Amen

Amen (in Hebrew)

Even Amen, the very last word in the Bible14, most probably has Pagan roots. Yet Christians, Jews and Muslims invariably end their prayers, Scripture readings, and hymns by saying Amen as an expression of concurrence.

We started this page by saying that Paganism has had a wide influence on Christianity and have given examples of rites and regalia that support this assertion. And this raises the question: So what? Christians should be cautious about condemning practices as Pagan, just because of their probable origins.

Indeed, Christians believe that God created all things, including rituals and designs. Some of these we find aesthetically pleasing, such as hymn singing, wedding rings, icons, etc. Their introduction through ancient religious practices are all part of God’s plan to prefigure; to prepare humanity for the great sacrifice of Jesus.

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The Gravest Terrorist Threat in the World Today is Islamophobia !!!!

It is something that has assumed Xenophobic Proportions !!!

Islamophobia is a Deliberate Defamation of Islam and Discrimination and Intolerance against Muslims especially Sunnis !!!

As long as you cant back up your hadis then you are a liar. Al-Mahdi will appear in Mecca and he is a people of Medina who you call wahabi. He will not appear in Iraq but Dajjal will appear somewhere between Iraq and Syria.

zabada

If you claim you are al Mahdi..i will shoot you..my father ask me to do so.My father said i m sharp shooter.I can turn my self to a sniper.

Maborlz Ez-Hari

Ask your father to put you back to where you came from, back in the sack and stay there.

wargame1

Go shoot your fathers ass instead and dont put your dirty words in my mouth. You have failed to provide any evidence of your fairy tale and now you are pissed

Hind Abyad

Maybe on Mars..

zabada

No.I fear you will claim you are only the true Al mahdi.That will make me sad.khah..khah..khah.

wargame1

You have failed to provide any proof against your claim and I have posted the hadis which also proved your claim as false. Now you should know the punishment of making false hadis in the name of the prophet.

Hind Abyad

zabada should know his punishment will be beheading. Call Baghdadi

5thDrawer

(music please … ’40’s soft-shoe vaudeville tune)

Old … Al …. Mahdi made me sady for Baghdadi.
It used to be a loverly town.
And the women now all wear black and face-masks,
So you can’t see that they also wear a frown.
They should take the sady Hadi from Bahgdadi
And let the folks all dance and play within
‘Cause the headless horseman’s coming back soon with water,
(chorus) deeeeeeeep
(pause, for tap routine, flip cane or top hat…)
And Bady Mahdi will not know enough to swim.

BAG-EM. folks.

watch dog

Join the discussion…The world has no sympathy for the 9/11 people who blow up schools who..who scrap bombs on them self and blow up restaurants…busses..kill innocent Olympic athletes..in the name of Mohamed..you will burn in hell with your 73 virgins..all you preach is hate ..you are a sick evil person..

zabada

9 11 perpetrated by Jews and top American official.See on you tube.Or you among whoare perpetrated 9 11.You hide that by blame muslims.

wargame1

Those Al-Qaeda/Daesh Dogs claimed responsibility and many of those leaders today support the Daeshdogs in Iraq. Do you want proof? These Khawarij claimed responsibility in order to lure the American/Europeans in attacking Iraq and Afghanistan. Their plan was to overthrow both government in favor of Iran and today we see their ultimate goal of their shaitanic Khalifa. May Allah destroy these Dogs of the hell fire.

zabada

That becasue your government collaborated with American Zionist,lick their boots as you licks ais cream,even their boots are too dirty.

wargame1

If the Government make any truce with any party for strategic reason then its their right to do so. Its the Iranian government who collaborated with the American Army to overthrow Saddam Hussain and the Taliban government. These Shias killed the sunnis in that process. You shit eating Sufis secretly suck the Ayatollahs cock

Hind Abyad

Join the copy-paste discussion…The world has no sympathy for the 9/11 people who blow up schools who..who scrap bombs on them self and blow up restaurants…busses..kill innocent Olympic athletes..in the name of Mohamed..you will burn in hell with your 73 virgins..all you preach is hate ..you are a sick evil person..

watch dog

Zabada your are twisted blam the Jews for everything. You are a evil man …it because people like you there is no peace you will keep pushing Israel .till they launch the 5000 war heads and you people will be all gone keep pushing and your country will be a nuke wastland..wake up tomorrow and look in the mirror and do something good before it is too late…

zabada

How many nuke you have in your house..khah..khah..khah.nuke me one.I will eat its all.

wargame1

Nuke bomb doesn’t fulfill the code of war in Islam. Thus it is forbidden for the Muslims to use it. The Islamic code of war forbids killing woman children and elderly and any non combatant , Islam forbids to destroy homes , crops, trees etc. However in a war the collatoral damage in inevitable so no Muslim should use such weapon which is designed to destroy everything indiscriminately

Maborlz Ez-Hari

Suicide bombers?

wargame1

Its important what the bomb does. A suicide bomber kills himself and he is not a civilian any more when he does that. Its not a correct method according to many Muslim Scholars. We have seen the same in Japanese attack when the Kamikaze Pilots killed themselves. So let us look at the damage of such attack.
If any missile fall in to a civilian area then you know its wrong. Similarly a suicide bomber blow himself in a market place is also wrong. When a suicide bomber attacks the enemy base then the target is legitimate and the only loser is the suicide bomber who killed himself. Many Muslim scholars have come to the conclusion that this act can make the guy in trouble in the hereafter.

The first Suicide bomber was a Iranian shit who blew himself up during Iran Iraq war. Then we see the same trend among Hezbushaitan in Palestine doing the same suicide bombing. Now we see the same trend among Al-Qaeda. Its the effect after any powerful bomb which deliberately target the civilian and cause huge collateral damage. A nuke , A scud missile and many such rockets, Drone attack in the civilian area fall in to the same category of crime. Islam prohibits such attack , now if the Daeshdogs or Iranian Shiat do such thing its their problem. I do not support Daeshdogs .

zabada

It is their business to be a Japanese warrior.I m nothing to do with that.

zabada

Even so..I fear you you will claim you are Almahdi..that will annoying me,,many claim as Almahdi at the past.I hope you not do that.We are friend.

wargame1

You have failed to prove the claim that Al-Mahdi will appear in Iraq in a Mosque. You are a liar and the supporter of the Khawarij Daeshdogs . You have proven that clearly

Hind Abyad

we can see that..

Hind Abyad

watch dog your are twisted blam the Jews for everything. You are a evil man …it because people like you there is no peace you will keep pushing Israel .till they launch the 5000 war heads and you people will be all gone keep pushing and your country will be a nuke wastland ..wake up tomorrow and look in the mirror and do something good before it is too late…