I just saw this being discussed in the Off-Season thread. Feel free to move if it's decided it doesn't need it's own thread.

3/38 is high in my estimation.

12-04-2012, 05:18 PM

FenwayFaithless

Oh, please no. Most of his value is obtained from being a CF who can steal 40 bases. He's 32 years old. Even if we moved Ellsbury to put Victorino in center, I still wouldn't want him.
310 wOBA, 94 wRC+? Even with defense, still not worth $40M.

12-04-2012, 05:20 PM

AI

Victorino for 3 years would be a mistake.

12-04-2012, 05:20 PM

FenwayFaithless

He was pretty bad against RHP last year, so it's not helping our problem against RHP, what with Gomes also in the OF.

12-04-2012, 05:20 PM

quinnjack

It seems to me that this is an "Ellsbury won't be here long" signing.

By signing Victorino you've got somebody that's very much a CF capable of playing the corners.

12-04-2012, 05:21 PM

Nomar

Yeah wtf are they doing giving him almost $13M per year for 3 seasons. Bad.

12-04-2012, 05:22 PM

Nomar

I have a feeling Ellsbury is getting traded sooner than we think. This move confuses me.

If they still pursue Swisher after this then I'm going to assume Ells is getting dealt this winter.

12-04-2012, 05:23 PM

B'sCeltsPatsSox

Favorites /= on the verge. All it means is that they're in the lead to get him, and lets hope that's the closest we are to Victorino.

12-04-2012, 05:24 PM

quinnjack

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nomar

I have a feeling Ellsbury is getting traded sooner than we think. This move confuses me.

If they still pursue Swisher after this then I'm going to assume Ells is getting dealt this winter.

I can't help but wonder if this means a deal is in place for Ells..

12-04-2012, 05:25 PM

gustofer1

As Bags said in the rumors thread, it only makes sense if we move Ellsbury who makes about as much as we would pay Victorino (this year). I think having a switch hitter who has a better chance of playing ~90% of the games gives us a better prediction of the production we'll be getting out of our line-up.

My question is, would you guys rather get Andrus for Ellsbury ++ or go after a youthful pitcher maybe one of the kids in Arizona with a similar package?

I think we are all forgetting Victorino was a 5.9 war player in 2011. He just had a down year last year.

If he plays like he did last year, then yes, he is no where near 38 million in value. But if he plays somewhat like he did in 2011 for the next 2 years and is a 3.5-5 War player, than he is worth it. In the last year he will be 35, can't hope of much other than an average OF type guy. But he would still be worth it if he can preform like he did in 2011.

Would love to get him in center field, trade ellsbury for a young, cost controlled SP, And then hopefully sign another OF to a short 1 or 2 year contract until some of the prospects come up.