Alexandros Stergiakis wrote:
> Hi Steve,
>
> Test suite is in the SVN now. You might, nevertheless, want to wait
> for the test suite to complete, before checking it out. I'll let you
> know about. Also at some point (soon I anticipate) I will progress
> with the second phase of the project, the rendering of the GIS data in
> a canvas.
>
> alex
>
>
Thanks for the update. From now on, please copy e-mail communications
to the tcl-gsoc mailing list, as the program administrator and other
mentors want to follow the progress of the projects more closely.
Thanks,
Steve H.

Tomasz Kosiak wrote:
> Hi!
> Don't other mentors share the same opinion with me? If so please force a
> change to mentored students or point us to appropriate mailing list (ex.
> Andreas have already notified us that Graphs are discussed at SF
> Tcllib-devel and are available from Tcllib CVS).
Clarification: Current code available from
http://code.assembla.com/graphmanipulations/subversion/nodes
Tcllib CVS after the summer is over, i.e. integration back has happened.
Added this link (and the mailing list info) now to http://wiki.tcl.tk/23203 as
well.
Andreas.

Hello Tcl-Community,
I have just updated my tcl-wiki page <http://wiki.tcl.tk/23190&gt; with
information about the status of the project (SCORM CP for OpenACS) and the
project related communication.
Kind regards,
Michael

Midterm evaluation for Sławek Cygan submitted. I may want to make
last minute edits in the morning.
He surprised me with having a good bit more code in his Fossil
repository than I thought.
--
73 de ke9tv/2, Kevin

Tomasz Kosiak wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Radosław Szulgo<rszulgo@...> wrote:
>>> I don't really know how to convince you to switch from your private
>>> mentor-students e-mails to using tcl-gsoc mailing list. PLEASE DO SO
>>> to discuss your projects unless you use other better suited mailing list.
>> Is Tcl's wiki also a good place for discussions ?
>
> For Jacl I am not sure which place would be the best one as Jacl is
> alternative implementation to the main one C based.
>
> It is best to ask about C implementation on SF Tcl-core and general
> language design is discussed here.
Actually, you're welcome to ask any language questions to tcl-core. It's
normal newbie chatter (and most of the extension discussion) that we try
to keep off, but reimplementation of the language remains a topic that
can be asked directly. For one thing, a lot of the questions that come
up tend to be of the deeper and more interesting variety, and for
another, reimplementing a language based on a new runtime can require
direct access to experts in the original version for help. (Of course,
we probably wouldn't encourage much discussion of how to package Jacl
after building; that falls outside the remit of the list.)
The wiki is another fine place to use - it has a remit to be there for
Tclers to use for Tcling topics - though it's not that good for real
discussion as there's no timely notification scheme (other than a crude
RSS feed). It's probably better as a place to build up the design
description/general documentation during the project so that people can
see it before project-end.
Donal.

Tomasz Kosiak pisze:
> But discussing Jacl here would
> probably be perceived as spamming. I don't know if Jacl has its own
> mailing devel list? For quick question the best of course is IM ex.
> Tcl Chat.
>
Yes, it has: tcljava-user and tcljava-dev. I write there too. I decided
with my mentor that the best communication method is wiki so there's the
main source of news about the project. Few community members discuss
there too. For quick question the best is Tcl Char, which I use almost
every day.
I think I'll write a short summary of my heretofore work to tcl-gsoc.
-- Radoslaw Szulgo

On Sun, Jul 12, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Radosław Szulgo<rszulgo@...> wrote:
>> I don't really know how to convince you to switch from your private
>> mentor-students e-mails to using tcl-gsoc mailing list. PLEASE DO SO
>> to discuss your projects unless you use other better suited mailing list.
> Is Tcl's wiki also a good place for discussions ?
>
> -- Radoslaw Szulgo
> "Jacl Modernization"
>
For Jacl I am not sure which place would be the best one as Jacl is
alternative implementation to the main one C based.
It is best to ask about C implementation on SF Tcl-core and general
language design is discussed here. But discussing Jacl here would
probably be perceived as spamming. I don't know if Jacl has its own
mailing devel list? For quick question the best of course is IM ex.
Tcl Chat. Newsgroup comp.lang.tcl is referred as a place for Tcl
language usage discussion.
Wiki is the best place to put ideas where others can enhance it by
editing it in place. In Tcl community the wiki is the most useful
collection of resources and it is actively monitored for new pages and
changes by quite a few prominent community members. Longer discussion
mostly occur at mailing lists: tcl-core or comp.lang.tcl newsgroup.
--tkosiak

Tomasz Kosiak pisze:
> As I have forgotten to ask if students received positive evaluation,
> (???) denotes the situation I have no explicit confirmation (but I am
> almost sure that all (???) denotes positive evalution = pass).
>
I was informed by Tom Poindexter that I've passed.
>
> I don't really know how to convince you to switch from your private
> mentor-students e-mails to using tcl-gsoc mailing list. PLEASE DO SO
> to discuss your projects unless you use other better suited mailing list.
Is Tcl's wiki also a good place for discussions ?
-- Radoslaw Szulgo
"Jacl Modernization"

Hi!
It seems that we only wait for Kevin Kenny TDBC mid-term evaluation (who
procrastinated due to missing access to produced source code). But Kevin
promised to do it soon.
I have received confirmation from other mentors that they've already filled
in the evaluation survey. As I have forgotten to ask if students received
positive evaluation, (???) denotes the situation I have no explicit
confirmation (but I am almost sure that all (???) denotes positive evalution
= pass). So if Kevin will positively evaluate Slawek, probably all our
student will receive mid-term payment.
*Mid-Term*
*Student*
*Project*
*Mentor*
pass
Michael Aram
SCORM Compliant Content Packaging for Wiki-based Content Development
Gustaf Neumann
Sławomir Cygan
TDBC Driver Development
Kevin Kenny
???
Daniel Kloeck
Regexp engine cleanup
Jeff Hobbs
pass
Krzysztof Blicharski
Tcl/Tk Printing Support
Clif Flynt
???
Alexandros Stergiakis
Improve GIS support in Tcl.
Steve Huntley
pass
Łukasz Miądowicz
Image Handling Enhancement
Youness Alaoui
???
Radoslaw Szulgo
Jacl modernization
Tom Poindexter
pass
Michał Antoniewski
Graph Manipulations
Andreas Kupries
???
Paraskevi Nikolaidou
HTTP/1.1 support and Chameleon & Native look for Tk widgets
Pat Thoyts
But IMHO public availability of mid-term results are rather disappointing.
At least please update the pages at wiki.tcl.tk with easy to follow
instruction how to find your work results and then send to tcl-gosc only a
link to it.
I don't really know how to convince you to switch from your private
mentor-students e-mails to using tcl-gsoc mailing list. PLEASE DO SO to
discuss your projects unless you use other better suited mailing list.
It will allow for what you've learned from mentors not to be buried in your
private mailboxes but rather be available to the community.
Don't other mentors share the same opinion with me? If so please force a
change to mentored students or point us to appropriate mailing list (ex.
Andreas have already notified us that Graphs are discussed at SF
Tcllib-devel and are available from Tcllib CVS). I also know that some of
you use Tcl Chat which is great as it is also archived.
Not only as GSoC admin, but also as heavy Tcl user I would like to gain
insight into what is being discussed during your projects.
Regards,
Tomasz Kosiak

Submitted both.
On 10/07/2009 10:35 AM, Tomasz Kosiak wrote:
> Hi!
>
> It seems that Melange website doesn't have any features to help me as
> organization admin to take a look at submitted evaluations or even
> determine if there are any evaluation submitted. I perceive that as
> *severe* weakness of Melange app.
>
> But we have to get through it.
>
> So first I ask especially mentor to confirm that they submitted their
> evaluation by sending to this list a short e-mail stating that they
> already did that.
>
> I would very thankful if you take extra work and copied the submitted
> survey to an e-mail and send it in private only to list of mentors (I
> included mentors e-mails in the CC field of this mail). That would
> allow mentors to stay informed what is going on. Please DON'T send
> student evaluation to tcl-gsoc mailing list as to protect student
> right to the privacy.
>
> I encourage also students to send a copy of their mentor evaluation
> directly to me at tkosiak@... so I can step-in if that is
> necessary. Students, please send confirmation to tcl-gsoc that I
> should receive your e-mails with evaluations so they won't be buried
> in my some spam filter.
>
> I especially would like to know about any problems with communication
> between students and mentors (or miserable student progress) . I know
> that it is very late to ask about it, but let's see what we can do
> about it if it happened. Both students and mentors can notify my of
> this in private or by tcl-gsoc list depending on the nature of
> matters.
>
> If you have success stories please share it also ;)
>
> Regards,
> Tomasz Kosiak
>
> PS. I am sorry that I nag you so late, but I thought that Google won't
> force us to manage this manually and I will be able to do this
> thorough Melange.

Tomasz Kosiak wrote:
> So first I ask especially mentor to confirm that they submitted their
> evaluation by sending to this list a short e-mail stating that they
> already did that.
Confirming that I submitted my eval.
> I would very thankful if you take extra work and copied the submitted
> survey to an e-mail and send it in private only to list of mentors
Done as well.
Andreas.

Re-send once more to tcl-gsoc.
--tkosiak
===
Hi!
It seems that Melange website doesn't have any features to help me as
organization admin to take a look at submitted evaluations or even
determine if there are any evaluation submitted. I perceive that as
*severe* weakness of Melange app.
But we have to get through it.
So first I ask especially mentor to confirm that they submitted their
evaluation by sending to this list a short e-mail stating that they
already did that.
I would very thankful if you take extra work and copied the submitted
survey to an e-mail and send it in private only to list of mentors (I
included mentors e-mails in the CC field of this mail). That would
allow mentors to stay informed what is going on. Please DON'T send
student evaluation to tcl-gsoc mailing list as to protect student
right to the privacy.
I encourage also students to send a copy of their mentor evaluation
directly to me at tkosiak@... so I can step-in if that is
necessary. Students, please send confirmation to tcl-gsoc that I
should receive your e-mails with evaluations so they won't be buried
in my some spam filter.
I especially would like to know about any problems with communication
between students and mentors (or miserable student progress) . I know
that it is very late to ask about it, but let's see what we can do
about it if it happened. Both students and mentors can notify my of
this in private or by tcl-gsoc list depending on the nature of
matters.
If you have success stories please share it also ;)
Regards,
Tomasz Kosiak
PS. I am sorry that I nag you so late, but I thought that Google won't
force us to manage this manually and I will be able to do this
thorough Melange.
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Tomasz Kosiak<tkosiak@...> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Andreas Kupries<andreask@...> wrote:
>> Can the admin see the surveys of all mentors and students in the org. ?
>
> As an admin for Tcl/Tk (and not a mentor as advised by Google) I
> couldn't find a place in the http://socghop.appspot.com where I can
> see if there are filled surveys by Tcl/Tk mentors nor I can even view
> the survey questions and/or answers?
>
> When I've experimented and signed-in also as mentor I can see those :
> * Survey (new): Midterm Program Evaluation
> * Survey (new): Midterm Mentor Evaluation
>
> But still I cannot find any filled surveys for my org (but from my
> communication with Tcl/Tk mentors & students I know there should be
> some).
>
> I would like to be able to check what is the status of mid-term
> evaluation for my org. Is there a way to do this in Melange? Do I miss
> something? Or should I rely only on communication with mentors outside
> Melange (that seems to me very strange so I ask about it)
>
> Or maybe my org Tcl/Tk (LinkID tlctk) is specially afected as noted by
> Francis Tyers <ftyers@...> in
>
>>PS. For one second (I swear I'm not hallucinating) Tcl/Tk came up as my
>>organisation in the left hand menu! (I'm from Apertium) I can't seem to
>> reproduce it, but thought I'd better mention it.
>
> Regards,
> Tomasz Kosiak
> Tcl/Tk Admin
>

Hi!
It seems that Melange website doesn't have any features to help me as
organization admin to take a look at submitted evaluations or even
determine if there are any evaluation submitted. I perceive that as
*severe* weakness of Melange app.
But we have to get through it.
So first I ask especially mentor to confirm that they submitted their
evaluation by sending to this list a short e-mail stating that they
already did that.
I would very thankful if you take extra work and copied the submitted
survey to an e-mail and send it in private only to list of mentors (I
included mentors e-mails in the CC field of this mail). That would
allow mentors to stay informed what is going on. Please DON'T send
student evaluation to tcl-gsoc mailing list as to protect student
right to the privacy.
I encourage also students to send a copy of their mentor evaluation
directly to me at tkosiak@... so I can step-in if that is
necessary. Students, please send confirmation to tcl-gsoc that I
should receive your e-mails with evaluations so they won't be buried
in my some spam filter.
I especially would like to know about any problems with communication
between students and mentors (or miserable student progress) . I know
that it is very late to ask about it, but let's see what we can do
about it if it happened. Both students and mentors can notify my of
this in private or by tcl-gsoc list depending on the nature of
matters.
If you have success stories please share it also ;)
Regards,
Tomasz Kosiak
PS. I am sorry that I nag you so late, but I thought that Google won't
force us to manage this manually and I will be able to do this
thorough Melange.
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:03 AM, Tomasz Kosiak<tkosiak@...> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Andreas Kupries<andreask@...> wrote:
>> Can the admin see the surveys of all mentors and students in the org. ?
>
> As an admin for Tcl/Tk (and not a mentor as advised by Google) I
> couldn't find a place in the http://socghop.appspot.com where I can
> see if there are filled surveys by Tcl/Tk mentors nor I can even view
> the survey questions and/or answers?
>
> When I've experimented and signed-in also as mentor I can see those :
> * Survey (new): Midterm Program Evaluation
> * Survey (new): Midterm Mentor Evaluation
>
> But still I cannot find any filled surveys for my org (but from my
> communication with Tcl/Tk mentors & students I know there should be
> some).
>
> I would like to be able to check what is the status of mid-term
> evaluation for my org. Is there a way to do this in Melange? Do I miss
> something? Or should I rely only on communication with mentors outside
> Melange (that seems to me very strange so I ask about it)
>
> Or maybe my org Tcl/Tk (LinkID tlctk) is specially afected as noted by
> Francis Tyers <ftyers@...> in
>
>>PS. For one second (I swear I'm not hallucinating) Tcl/Tk came up as my
>>organisation in the left hand menu! (I'm from Apertium) I can't seem to
>> reproduce it, but thought I'd better mention it.
>
> Regards,
> Tomasz Kosiak
> Tcl/Tk Admin
>

Tomasz Kosiak pisze:
> PLEASE, fill the survey a few days before the deadline so if needed
> there will be time left for corrective actions.
done. Mine and my mentor one's - Tom Poindexter. If you have any
suggestions, please don't hestiate and write.
-- Radoslaw Szulgo
"Jacl Modernization"

It seems thatI can post to tcl-gsoc only as tk@...
Tomasz Kosiak
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tomasz Kosiak <tkosiak@...>
Date: Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:03 AM
Subject: Re: How-To: Midterm Evaluations
To: Paweł Sołyga <pawel.solyga@...>
Cc: Google Summer of Code Mentors List
<google-summer-of-code-mentors-list@...>
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Andreas Kupries<andreask@...> wrote:
> Can the admin see the surveys of all mentors and students in the org. ?
As an admin for Tcl/Tk (and not a mentor as advised by Google) I
couldn't find a place in the http://socghop.appspot.com where I can
see if there are filled surveys by Tcl/Tk mentors nor I can even view
the survey questions and/or answers?
When I've experimented and signed-in also as mentor I can see those :
* Survey (new): Midterm Program Evaluation
* Survey (new): Midterm Mentor Evaluation
But still I cannot find any filled surveys for my org (but from my
communication with Tcl/Tk mentors & students I know there should be
some).
I would like to be able to check what is the status of mid-term
evaluation for my org. Is there a way to do this in Melange? Do I miss
something? Or should I rely only on communication with mentors outside
Melange (that seems to me very strange so I ask about it)
Or maybe my org Tcl/Tk (LinkID tlctk) is specially afected as noted by
Francis Tyers <ftyers@...> in
>PS. For one second (I swear I'm not hallucinating) Tcl/Tk came up as my
>organisation in the left hand menu! (I'm from Apertium) I can't seem to
> reproduce it, but thought I'd better mention it.
Regards,
Tomasz Kosiak
Tcl/Tk Admin

On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Andreas Kupries<andreask@...> wrote:
> Can the admin see the surveys of all mentors and students in the org. ?
As an admin for Tcl/Tk (and not a mentor as advised by Google) I
couldn't find a place in the http://socghop.appspot.com where I can
see if there are filled surveys by Tcl/Tk mentors nor I can even view
the survey questions and/or answers?
When I've experimented and signed-in also as mentor I can see those :
* Survey (new): Midterm Program Evaluation
* Survey (new): Midterm Mentor Evaluation
But still I cannot find any filled surveys for my org (but from my
communication with Tcl/Tk mentors & students I know there should be
some).
I would like to be able to check what is the status of mid-term
evaluation for my org. Is there a way to do this in Melange? Do I miss
something? Or should I rely only on communication with mentors outside
Melange (that seems to me very strange so I ask about it)
Or maybe my org Tcl/Tk (LinkID tlctk) is specially afected as noted by
Francis Tyers <ftyers@...> in
>PS. For one second (I swear I'm not hallucinating) Tcl/Tk came up as my
>organisation in the left hand menu! (I'm from Apertium) I can't seem to
> reproduce it, but thought I'd better mention it.
Regards,
Tomasz Kosiak
Tcl/Tk Admin

Tomasz Kosiak wrote:
> PLEASE, fill the survey a few days before the deadline so if needed
> there will be time left for corrective actions.
Done, with placeholders for questions 22-24, for the moment.
Can the admin see the surveys of all mentors and and students in the org. ?
Andreas.

Hi,
Midterm Program Evaluation probably is the optional survey, while Midterm
mentor evaluation should be the one to evaluate your student.
"Surveys will be required from:
* students (to evaluate their mentors and their own progress)
* org admins & mentors with students assigned to them on the GSoC 2009
site (to evaluate their students and their own performance as mentors)
* org admins & mentors with no students assigned to them, as well as
mentors with students assigned, will be asked to complete an optional
survey about the program overall" LH
see:
http://groups.google.es/group/google-summer-of-code-students-list/browse_thread/thread/da3b8bcb11aaf620
Regards,
Daniel Klöck
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From: "Jeff Hobbs" <jeffh@...>
Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 6:21 PM
To: "Tomasz Kosiak" <tk@...>
Cc: "tcl-gsoc" <tcl-gsoc@...>
Subject: Re: [Tcl-gsoc] Melange: How-To: Midterm Evaluations
> On 07/07/2009 9:19 AM, Tomasz Kosiak wrote:
>> Please let me know if 'Survey (new): Midterm Mentor Evaluation' link
>> appeared for mentors in the menu to the left. From discussion below it
>> seems that Tcl/Tk may be somehow *special*. We should report any
>> problems to Melange developers if needed.
>
> I see two listed:
>
> # Survey (new): Midterm Program Evaluation
> # Survey (new): Midterm Mentor Evaluation
>
> Under Programs > GSoC 2009.
>
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Please let me know if 'Survey (new): Midterm Mentor Evaluation' link
appeared for mentors in the menu to the left. From discussion below it
seems that Tcl/Tk may be somehow *special*. We should report any
problems to Melange developers if needed.
--tkosiak
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Lennard de Rijk <ljvderijk@...>
Date: Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 4:51 PM
Subject: Re: How-To: Midterm Evaluations
To: ftyers@...
Cc: Google Summer of Code Mentors List
<google-summer-of-code-mentors-list@...>
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 16:48, Francis Tyers <ftyers@...> wrote:
>
> El dt 07 de 07 del 2009 a les 07:31 -0700, en/na Lennard va escriure:
> >
> > On Jul 7, 3:19 pm, Francis Tyers <fty...@...> wrote:
> > > El dt 07 de 07 del 2009 a les 14:05 +0100, en/na Malcolm Wallace va
> > > escriure:
> > >
> > > > >>>> And (worst case) is there a way for the backup mentor or
> > > > >>>> organization admin to do the student midterm evaluation?
> > >
> > > > >> No it's not possible, it never was as far as I remember.
> > >
> > > > > The old system let the admin do this.
> > >
> > > > You are both correct. The old system let the org admin fill in a
> > > > _mentor_'s survey if necessary, but it did not allow the admin to fill
> > > > in a _student_'s survey.
> > >
> > > > I see that Melange does not appear to offer either option.
> > >
> > > Is it likely that Melange will have the option added for org admins (or
> > > backup mentors) to be able to fill out the survey on the behalf of
> > > mentors ?
> > >
> > Feel free to assign one of your other mentors to this project so they
> > can fill in the survey. At the moment of implementation we felt that
> > the mentor should be the person responsible for filling in the survey.
> > However this may of course change in the future.
>
> Aha, fantastic! Although when I add myself as co mentor, I don't get the
> survey coming up in the 'Survey (new): Midterm Mentor Evaluation' list.
> Does it take some time to percolate through the system or am I missing
> something ?
You have to make yourself the primary mentor. Depending of feedback we
might change this for finals to also include the additional mentors.
However personally I feel it is not the org admins tasks to take such
a survey only of their orgs mentors.
>
> Fran
>
> PS. For one second (I swear I'm not hallucinating) Tcl/Tk came up as my
> organisation in the left hand menu! (I'm from Apertium) I can't seem to
> reproduce it, but thought I'd better mention it.
That's really weird, sounds like an interesting caching/consistency issue.
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