Oops, here's me posting before work, just like I do several times a week. I guess we can just add that to the long list of things XXX is completely WRONG about.:-)You desperate inbred teatards should really work on your scatterbrained insults. So far, I'm a fourth grader in pajamas who read Rules for Radicals, lives in a basement, doesn't have a job, gets free Obamaphones, and is a baby killing commie.Oh, and hey Poops, when you're feebly attempting to insult someone's intelligence online, try NOT to compare them to the smartest person on the forum...Roflmao!!!

The ONLY person that may have compared you to the smartest person on this forum (whomever that might be) is you. Just another week & wandering mind. Get back on your meds for your own sake. Then you won't be rolling on the floor laughing.....you'll be able to at least sit on the floor, maybe even kneel or stand up, for a short bit anyway. It's good to have goals, but get your meds straight or there's no hope for you.

<quoted text> Actually, at this day of technology, solar has no chance of paying for itself.When the Cincy Zoo put solar panels over a parking area 2 yrs ago, the published savings in reduced electric cost showed that it would take 73 yrs to pay for itself.

It's really a demonstration project. It took a lot of tricky financing to make it happen.

"The project relies on financing through a combination of federal New Market Tax Credits and federal energy tax credits through PNC Bank. It relies on cash from the tax credits, sales of electricity over the next seven years to the zoo and selling the renewal energy credits generated by the investment to Akron-based FirstEnergy.

Fisher said that initially the parties couldn't make the deal work financially until the non-profit Uptown Consortium and New York City-based National Development Council agreed to contribute New Market Tax Credits allocated to them toward the project.

Fisher said the project allows the zoo to lock in the price for about 20% of its electricity at about 8 cents a kilowatt hour for the next seven years. The agreement gives the zoo the option to buy the system in the eighth year if it chooses."

"Leiserowitz and his colleagues surveyed a nationally representative sample of 830 Americans in late November and into early December 2013. The margin of error is plus or minus 3 percentage points.

For example, 42 percent of Americans correctly believe that most scientists agree that global warming is happening. Only 22 percent, however, know that more than 80 percent of climate scientists agree on that basic fact. The rest of the survey respondents perceive more disagreement than actually exists.

Forty-seven percent of Americans say that if global warming is happening, it is caused mostly by human activities. This is the belief backed up by the scientific evidence; in the most recent report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) in September 2013, scientists agreed that it is "extremely likely" that human emissions of greenhouse gases are causing the planet to warm.

Thirty-seven percent of Americans reject this consensus, saying that climate change is most likely caused by natural fluctuations."

<quoted text>Yawn.....what was Exxon's expense per second???I know my 401k went up 31% last year and at least three of my funds include a lot of Exxon stocks.I know I own 400 acres that aren't polluted. With two wells on those acres that i wouldnt hesitate to drink water from. ;)

No, you need to thank the president that smart, hard working Americans voted for, for leading America out of the abysmal pit that GW Bush put us in, and into the prosperity you are enjoying right now as you describe. I think it's cool that you have well houses with clean drinking water on your land. I also think it's important to keep corporations in check when it comes to our country's resources. Not cripple them as many claim is happening, despite their record profits. But just to make sure there are reasonable checks in place to keep things like the wells on your property clean for drinking. You know that Bush deregulated the energy industry and they became lax in their safety precautions. This contributed to the huge amount of environmental damage that happed in the gulf coast. That BP oil rig that Halliburton built, leaked because they skipped over a safety bypass device that would have cost them around $10,000. That's why I mention the abstract amounts of money these guys are making a second. It has already been proven that they can buy and sell politicians. If you look how the money flows, every single Tea Party position in our government is directly paid by the Koch Brother oil billionaires. Why is corporate run government so much better than our government's social programs?

I am in no way suggesting that we live in the stone age, and I am the first to admit that I don't have the means to make my home solar, or ride a bike in the winter time. I am just saying that someone other than the oil companies needs to keep an eye on the resources of our nation. The gulf as far as I am concerned happened to every American, because it belonged to the people of this nation. Yah, I know. Socialist this, commie that blah blah blah.

<quoted text>I quoted the evidence and even provided you with the link. What more do you want? A majority of Americans don't buy into this bullcrap of manmade global warming. And if you don't like the article, just click on the hyperlinks provided to prove the article is accurate.

Your article is incorrect. the majority of Americans do believe in Climate Change. I really don't think any amount of links we provide each other will convince us to suddenly change what we believe. I grew up in the woods. I have awards in the fields of environment and wilderness survival that go well beyond the extensive outdoor experience I had through getting my Eagle Scout. I have hunted and fished all my life. Camped for weeks on end. My point is, I have observed with my own personal experience, changes in not just our weather, but our seasons in general. I have personally seen multiple Decembers, here in Ohio where I have ripe raspberries in the vine. That is not normal. I can tell there is an obvious change in the amount of snow we get each year, and when compared to the amounts we got back in the 60s and 70s when I was a child, the change is drastic. Our lawns are burnt out almost every summer. Record floods, tornadoes, droughts and record setting temperatures happening in an increasing manner when you look at the bigger picture. These opinions I have, and they are just that, were formed long before Al Gore or any Global Warming was mentioned. I also noticed a very long time ago that it was church people who were the first for me to ever hear "I don't believe in global warming". From there, I discovered that oil companies were targeting rightwing Christian Conservatives (Now known as the Tea Party) with anti-climate change propaganda with no footing in science whatsoever. It's the reason why you believe what you do, in the face of obvious evidence.

<quoted text>"The evidence for evolution has primarily come from four sources:1. the fossil record of change in earlier species2. the chemical and anatomical similarities of related life forms3. the geographic distribution of related species4. the recorded genetic changes in living organisms over many generations"http://anthro.palomar.edu/evolve/evolve_3.htm

I appreciate the points you made, Old Guy. But although random fossils from billions of years ago may be considered evidence, they're not proof.

The things that scientists have learned about DNA have disproved evolution, in my opinion. As I said before, mutations never result in the advancement of a species, but rather the regression of it.

DNA is like a blueprint, from what I understand. It produces what it has been designed to produce. It doesn't think and reason or design things itself. What evidence is there that DNA could rewrite its own code and produce a new and improved feature that had always been foreign to the plant or animal before? To suggest that it could, is to say that DNA is god-like in its intelligence and abilities. Human beings can't even make that happen.

According to the author, a theory must pass the litmus test of being able to be objectively falsified in order to be considered scientific. He says the creation theory cannot be objectively falsified, therefore it's not scientific. But what he fails to see is that the theory of evolution can't either, in regard to how living things developed on the earth. So, by the author's own definition, it's more like history (maybe), not science. There are no witnesses and no records. Two people can look at the same set of fossils and draw two different conclusions. Both will sound plausible, and there's no way to test them.

Evolution and Intelligent Design should both be taught in school ... unless the scientists are afraid evolution won't hold up under the scrutiny of school children?

<quoted text>What drives us is that we use their products no different than you. Except we are not hypocrites like you that uses oil, natural gas, gasoline, coal powered electricity and then rally against the companies that provide is these economically priced products. We are behind and in support of those companies that make our life more convenient and easier.

So you're just a man who really, really, really likes his fossil fuel products. To the point that you rally around support for something like an oil refinery or a pipeline as if it were a hometown football team. Nothing weird, unnatural or propaganda based going on there. Go team Marathon! Oh the heated discussions we have over who's supplier of fossil fuel based products is the best this year, down at the local Oil Industry and Grill bar down on the corner. You know. Normal stuff.

I would hardly call my belief that we should be looking into a more environmentally stable and renewable energy source for future generations as being a hypocrite, as any thinking person would realize it would be a slow process.(Also see the devastation GW Bush caused to our nation)

It's not that being chained to the middle east hasn't been so good for America over all these years...right? Your just a common man who loves his fossil fuel based industries and second hand smoke for children and the wars we have fought in the middle east were to bring them "democracy" and had nothing to do with oil or an anti-Muslim Christian sponsored agenda. Halliburton's direct ties to Dick Cheney and the oil well that destroyed the gulf are just coincidences and Bush deregulating the oil industry was just looking out for the American people, despite the fact that gas went up to $4 a gallon and has yet to do that here in Ohio ever since. Keep telling yourself that and maybe one day it will pass through the membrane of you Tea Bagger Fox News bubble and join us in the real world.

<quoted text>I appreciate the points you made, Old Guy. But although random fossils from billions of years ago may be considered evidence, they're not proof.The things that scientists have learned about DNA have disproved evolution, in my opinion. As I said before, mutations never result in the advancement of a species, but rather the regression of it.DNA is like a blueprint, from what I understand. It produces what it has been designed to produce. It doesn't think and reason or design things itself. What evidence is there that DNA could rewrite its own code and produce a new and improved feature that had always been foreign to the plant or animal before? To suggest that it could, is to say that DNA is god-like in its intelligence and abilities. Human beings can't even make that happen.According to the author, a theory must pass the litmus test of being able to be objectively falsified in order to be considered scientific. He says the creation theory cannot be objectively falsified, therefore it's not scientific. But what he fails to see is that the theory of evolution can't either, in regard to how living things developed on the earth. So, by the author's own definition, it's more like history (maybe), not science. There are no witnesses and no records. Two people can look at the same set of fossils and draw two different conclusions. Both will sound plausible, and there's no way to test them.Evolution and Intelligent Design should both be taught in school ... unless the scientists are afraid evolution won't hold up under the scrutiny of school children?

I think the real American thing to do then, this being a free nation, and all of our children being taught in the same public schools, and all of our tax dollars going to pay for it, that we should also teach the Hindu creation story in public school science classes, the the Native American creation story in public school science classes, right next to the Muslim story of creation in public school science classes. So many American citizens with their absolutely equal, as clearly laid out by what this nation was founded upon, religious based creations stories. We wouldn't want to leave any American citizen's equally valid religious belief system out, as that would be about as un-American and fascist as things could get. We also should be sure, incase those rascally Christians try to sneak their religious creation fable into something like the K12 online learning program, like they are right now, that they should be forced to teach all of the religion's creation stories in science class, for all of the wonderful, yet equal beliefs our American citizens enjoy in this free nation. Are you still feeling as pompous and as arrogant as your posts expose? Just so you know, you shouldn't.

What is it with your strange and completely made up fantasy that I am somehow denying ice ages? I'm thinking you are just a troll, and are so bad at it that I'm mistaking it with you be a nutball. Since you are obviously new at this game, judging by the fact that you are getting smacked around the forum like a bad poodle, here's a little bit of advice. We have long moved past your self righteous, but completely opinions that have been provided to you for years by oil billionaires and the GOP tactic of wh0ring Christianity for political agendas and corporate agendas. You know, that little thing called the Tea Party that the Republicans are currently trying to distance themselves from like a bad case of the crabs. You are going to have to try much harder on this forum than reused links from the Heritage Foundation, which have already been proven on here time and time again to be bogus, made up statistics, such as your claim that the majority of Americans don't believe in climate change, or your bizarre, personal need to defend cigarette smoke around children. Also, that whole thing about me not willing to admit there were ice ages, in light of the fact that it can instantly be proven as a lie by reading my posts, is beyond desperate and weak. You better keep your powdered wig, trust fund baby @ss back in the country club, lil' home schooled and feeling sassy. Your free ride, hand me down success story lifestyle won't do you any favors in this forum.

Are you ready to answer the question, or do you need to have more temper tantrums?

What evidence do you have that supports the theory that any current changes in global temperature are different than other ones in the earth's history? Why should the entire country/world alter it's existence based on your beliefs?

<quoted text>No, you need to thank the president that smart, hard working Americans voted for, for leading America out of the abysmal pit that GW Bush put us in, and into the prosperity you are enjoying right now as you describe. I think it's cool that you have well houses with clean drinking water on your land. I also think it's important to keep corporations in check when it comes to our country's resources. Not cripple them as many claim is happening, despite their record profits. But just to make sure there are reasonable checks in place to keep things like the wells on your property clean for drinking. You know that Bush deregulated the energy industry and they became lax in their safety precautions. This contributed to the huge amount of environmental damage that happed in the gulf coast. That BP oil rig that Halliburton built, leaked because they skipped over a safety bypass device that would have cost them around $10,000. That's why I mention the abstract amounts of money these guys are making a second. It has already been proven that they can buy and sell politicians. If you look how the money flows, every single Tea Party position in our government is directly paid by the Koch Brother oil billionaires. Why is corporate run government so much better than our government's social programs?I am in no way suggesting that we live in the stone age, and I am the first to admit that I don't have the means to make my home solar, or ride a bike in the winter time. I am just saying that someone other than the oil companies needs to keep an eye on the resources of our nation. The gulf as far as I am concerned happened to every American, because it belonged to the people of this nation. Yah, I know. Socialist this, commie that blah blah blah.

The stock market isn't going up because dumbass people voted for a SMART Marxist. Its going up because for one thing theyre printing money hand over fist and everyone with two nickels to rub together wants to put their money someplace thats making better return than the rate of inflation. The only place that is now is the stock market.

I hope they frac the hell out of Ohio. Have you seen how much money regular folks are making in North Dakota?

The same Bible that teaches "Intelligent Design" (Also see wording ploy used by rightwing Christians to sneak Creationism back into our public school science classes) also teaches that stars fall from the sky, the dead can get up and walk, and that healing can be done instantly with sheer faith. Let's go ahead and start teaching that in public school science classes also. For their science fair projects, they can turn water into wine using only the power of the spirit or demonstrate the little known property of H2o that allows a man to stroll across the sea like a walk in the park. Then we can cancel your health insurance and your medicare because science has taught us it's faith that will cure that pesky skin cancer or control your diabetes. By following this plan, we can sky rocket America into the technological powerhouse it should be.

<quoted text>Are you ready to answer the question, or do you need to have more temper tantrums?What evidence do you have that supports the theory that any current changes in global temperature are different than other ones in the earth's history? Why should the entire country/world alter it's existence based on your beliefs?I don't defend smoking around children. I question the hysteria.

So when you act smug and then get your butt mentally whooped for it, it's a temper tantrum. Funny because I smile when I make you look stupid. Here's the answer to your pressing question, though. Odd that you ask so much, yet refuse to answer mine.

<quoted text>I appreciate the points you made, Old Guy. But although random fossils from billions of years ago may be considered evidence, they're not proof.The things that scientists have learned about DNA have disproved evolution, in my opinion. As I said before, mutations never result in the advancement of a species, but rather the regression of it.

But 'Proof' is a compilation of evidence that exceeds the level of theory. Who determines when that difference is achieved? And then you yourself state "in my opinion" so where is the line drawn?

<quoted text>The stock market isn't going up because dumbass people voted for a SMART Marxist. Its going up because for one thing theyre printing money hand over fist and everyone with two nickels to rub together wants to put their money someplace thats making better return than the rate of inflation. The only place that is now is the stock market.I hope they frac the hell out of Ohio. Have you seen how much money regular folks are making in North Dakota?

Yah, I saw where 4 states had their water polluted as a direct result of fraccing. Sure lost of people who were rich enough to have land handed to them already will make money off of it. they are the one's you always hear getting defensive about the statistical data already in on the process. Nobel of you to blatantly put money over the water that future generations have to drink, though. Just like with doing away with Social Security, right after you guys get yours, or "We don't have to protect the environment, the second coming is at hand" said by oil man in charge of our environment under the GOP, your obvious "I got mine, screw yours" attitude is a shining example of the higher morality you guys always talk about and in many on here's case, those special folks who I could tell were religious just by their radical and unfounded beliefs on global weather trends, the "I got mine" attitude is nothing short of walking in the footsteps of Jesus...right? Now do you have a varsity jacket with a big BP team logo on it hanging in the haunted hauler, or you more of a Team GetGo kinda man when it comes to a canine devotion in the world of oil industry corporation sporting events? I can almost picture the Glenn Beck style tears when you boldly stand before the other truck drivers and waitresses at the truck stop and exclaim "I'm just a common man, who loves fossil fuel based products and the harmless effects of second hand smoke in the faces of children!"

<quoted text>I think the real American thing to do then, this being a free nation, and all of our children being taught in the same public schools, and all of our tax dollars going to pay for it, that we should also teach the Hindu creation story in public school science classes, the the Native American creation story in public school science classes, right next to the Muslim story of creation in public school science classes..

I have no problem with such a procedure. I strongly believe that ALL thoughts/philosophies should be taught & let each individual make their own decisions based on ALL info to determine their free thoughts. I don't have to agree with them or them with me.Just decide something on whatever objective facts are available. This would be conducive to being a free nation & agreeable to the 1st amendment.

I think the real American thing to do then, this being a free nation, and all of our children being taught in the same public schools, and all of our tax dollars going to pay for it, that we should also teach the Hindu creation story in public school science classes, the the Native American creation story in public school science classes, right next to the Muslim story of creation in public school science classes. So many American citizens with their absolutely equal, as clearly laid out by what this nation was founded upon, religious based creations stories. We wouldn't want to leave any American citizen's equally valid religious belief system out, as that would be about as un-American and fascist as things could get. We also should be sure, incase those rascally Christians try to sneak their religious creation fable into something like the K12 online learning program, like they are right now, that they should be forced to teach all of the religion's creation stories in science class, for all of the wonderful, yet equal beliefs our American citizens enjoy in this free nation. Are you still feeling as pompous and as arrogant as your posts expose? Just so you know, you shouldn't.

I think each district should be allowed to teach what it's citizens want taught. After all, their children are the ones in the classroom. One-size-fits-all doesn't work.

Creationism is a fable, but believing that your great grandpappy was a silverback gorilla is solid science, right? Yep, you're the superior intellect for sure.

<quoted text> But 'Proof' is a compilation of evidence that exceeds the level of theory. Who determines when that difference is achieved?And then you yourself state "in my opinion" so where is the line drawn?

Also note that everything is fine and dandy about teaching a Christian creation story of talking snakes and an earth that was created in days in a public school science class without even a speck of scientific proof.

But 'Proof' is a compilation of evidence that exceeds the level of theory. Who determines when that difference is achieved?And then you yourself state "in my opinion" so where is the line drawn?

The evidence to support evolution hasn't exceeded the level of theory, when no one can explain how DNA was able to rewrite itself to create something greater than it was before.

I don't object to evolution being taught in schools. I'd just like to know why the proponents of evolution are afraid of other theories being taught as well. Is their theory so weak that it can't stand up to another?

No one knows how matter came into existence. Shouldn't that be reason enough to keep an open mind?

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