I'd applaud you for actually answering but I already smited you for not and have to wait an hour and I'll forget by then.

So, since you don't believe that Jesus and Biblegod are one; as so many Christians do, I guess that does validate your position but doesn't make it factual, just makes it your opinion. Don't you love how that works out?One of the many dilemmas with the Bible: it can have too many interpretations.

-Nam

That's why the Bible is not required reading...says the Bible.

For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

Divine nature is quite evident mainly in some parts of Africa and Asia. World wars, famine, genocides, earthquakes, floods, rapes, epidemics etc are also clearly seen over the last few centuries.

Eternal power is now limited to rare appearances on toasts or crackers. God is fighting a losing battle with FSM, JC was supposed to be back in the last decade and gopherwood is no longer used to build ships.

There are thousands of Christian sects meaning that people are with lots of excuses.

.....since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.....

.....and as you've dodged in another thread, it was Atum who created everything, not Yahweh. So you are following a false religion.

If torturing people for eternity in a lake of fire is "love", then yes, YHYH loves the people who are in hell.

Being outside of time, eternity is not the same as we would describe it from the inside.The lake of fire is said to destroy everything, so the internal torment people experiencefrom their decision not to trust God will end at that time as well. Everything not perfectis destroyed in the lake of fire. Torment would likely be as well.

Are you familiar with the parable of the rich man. He looked up at Lazarus and begged for water.

My loving God, that I believe in, is fair and just. I don't think God tortures unbelievers. In fact I think God gets angrier at believers for saying God would. I think God is angry at many believers for misrepresenting God's Love.

By the way I wish you would respond to the other thread about Noah's ark. I replied to you with the statement that a Loving God would not do such a thing as drown a bunch of people/children. Any body that knows about Love should be able to clearly see the bible contradicts a loving God. Rather than become atheist I become spiritual. I believe in God w/o religious assistance. I thank God for all the blessings in my life. By the way I'm a lesbian going to heaven. Atheist are going to heaven for being good people. Christians will not all see heaven because they disgrace God with their words and their actions. Not all but I'm saying some. Pat Robertson comes to mind. Let's don't forget old Fred Phelps and Jerry Falwell.

They should not even call themselves Christians because they are not like Christ.

If torturing people for eternity in a lake of fire is "love", then yes, YHYH loves the people who are in hell.

Being outside of time, eternity is not the same as we would describe it from the inside.The lake of fire is said to destroy everything, so the internal torment people experiencefrom their decision not to trust God will end at that time as well. Everything not perfectis destroyed in the lake of fire. Torment would likely be as well.

Are you familiar with the parable of the rich man. He looked up at Lazarus and begged for water.

My loving God, that I believe in, is fair and just. I don't think God tortures unbelievers. In fact I think God gets angrier at believers for saying God would. I think God is angry at many believers for misrepresenting God's Love.

By the way I wish you would respond to the other thread about Noah's ark. I replied to you with the statement that a Loving God would not do such a thing as drown a bunch of people/children. Any body that knows about Love should be able to clearly see the bible contradicts a loving God. Rather than become atheist I become spiritual. I believe in God w/o religious assistance. I thank God for all the blessings in my life. By the way I'm a lesbian going to heaven. Atheist are going to heaven for being good people. Christians will not all see heaven because they disgrace God with their words and their actions. Not all but I'm saying some. Pat Robertson comes to mind. Let's don't forget old Fred Phelps and Jerry Falwell.

They should not even call themselves Christians because they are not like Christ.

you make some VERY atheistic points JB. +1But again I have to ask you how you got this Jesus stuff without believing in the bible?

People in Hell? There is nothing in the Bible to indicate that people burn alive forever in Hell. All that is said is that evil ones will be cast into it. It does not say that they will survive the experience for all eternity. There are references to wailing and gnashing of teeth, but it does not indicate that this wailing and gnashing is that of a whole bunch of people. Hell is Satan's prison. Who is to say that humans don't just die there and that the wailing and gnashing of teeth are Satan's alone?

If they just die, as in permanently die, how can God love them? They will not exist.

I love how Christians "pretend" to worship God or Jesus but sin like it does not matter. Then they blame the sin on "being human". If it is wrong to do it and you know it is wrong.......HELL for you,because you do what you KNOW to be wrong and think forgiveness is the order of the day.

Where is the line drawn between mortal sin and a "Christian" sinning and expecting forgiveness? If it is the 10 rules....(commandments) Christians break them all the time. Does Jesus nulify the 10 commandments?

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There's no right there's no wrong,there's just popular opinion (Brad Pitt as Jeffery Goines in 12 monkeys)

There are many references in the bible that describes that time is not the same for God as it is for us. There is even a reference that shows that He spans the entire timeline simultaneously. It is not a unique concept therefore the opinion is not unique to this one individual alone.

There are many references in the bible that describes that time is not the same for God as it is for us. There is even a reference that shows that He spans the entire timeline simultaneously. It is not a unique concept therefore the opinion is not unique to this one individual alone.

What are those references, specifically? Also, I've heard a lot of xians talk about god and time, but none of them have a coherent explanation of how that idea can work. Please elaborate on how it makes any sense that a god might "span an entire timeline simultaneously". Just because we can put words next to each other does not mean they form an actual idea.

There are many references in the bible that describes that time is not the same for God as it is for us. There is even a reference that shows that He spans the entire timeline simultaneously. It is not a unique concept therefore the opinion is not unique to this one individual alone.

It's a joke. Did you see the wink? And please don't preach to me about what's in the Bible. Unlike most Christians most atheists have read the entire Bible. I've read 15 versions of it. How about you?

There are many references in the bible that describes that time is not the same for God as it is for us. There is even a reference that shows that He spans the entire timeline simultaneously. It is not a unique concept therefore the opinion is not unique to this one individual alone.

It's a joke. Did you see the wink? And please don't preach to me about what's in the Bible. Unlike most Christians most atheists have read the entire Bible. I've read 15 versions of it. How about you?

-Nam

Hey now I wasn't preaching. If you understand what I was saying then that's all good. But let's be clear. No preaching was happening, okay? I am not a preacher nor do I intend to do so here. There is a huge difference between explaining something and preching about it.

I have read one version of the bible fully and have compared it with other versions, and to stay on topic from what I have read, there is nothing to indicate that human souls burn in hell for all eternity. Therefore there is nothing for God to love there. It is my opinion that if there is a hell, existence will come to an end for humans who are cast into it. Also from my experience, it is the offically ordaned preachers who say that people will burn in hell to suffer for all eternity. Not the bible.