Hm...you've got me thinking... I wonder what sort of effect the landings and liftoffs of the Apollo landers had on the angular momentum of the moon,
and if that could account for the increase in eccentricity (plus the long-term nature of that increase).

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Scientists/Astronomers often refer to an"unknown,rouge planet" as "planet x" or "nemesis".
Its not a "new age" conspiracy theorist thing.
If he would have said "nibiru" I would have had to question it though. lol

Couldn't agree with you more. Scientists playing with atoms is like giving a hammer to a 2 year old, lots of damage potential with absolutely NO
understanding of the consequences. We have billions of dollars worth of hardware in space and the only thing we have to show for it is a lot of really
cool desktop backgrounds.

I don´t know why people are complaining that the paper mentioned a planet x, since this is what they said about it,

A potentially viable Newtonian candidate would be a trans-Plutonian massive object (Planet X/Nemesis/Tyche) since it, actually, would aﬀect e
with a non-vanishing long-term variation. On the other hand, the values for the physical and orbital parameters of such a hypothetical body required
to obtain the right order of magnitude for ˙e are completely unrealistic

They are saying that an unknown object could potentially cause such a thing, but that in this case the magnitude and position that such an object must
have to do so, is not what they can detect in reality.

Originally posted by tauristercus
Stop panicking people .... the moon has NOT started to careen wildly across the sky ... so I'm incredibly disappointed with the thread title
that the OP deliberately chose to give such a deliberately misleading and sensationalistic slant to.

In the opening abstract of the paper, they make the following statement:

Take a really good look at the above quoted value of
e˙meas = (9 ± 3) × 10^-12 yr^-1

They're essentially saying that yes, there is an anomalous discrepancy in the expected eccentricity of the moon's orbit ... but only by an
incredibly small deviation and one that could only be measured by very sensitive equipment.
To the naked eye, the moon remains exactly where it should be in the sky.

hey friend...maybe you dont see the problem here...

i am not concerned about how much the moon moved or not...

you are telling us to feel ok since "they" are saying its relatively small discrepancy...

the problem now is....if for you this is a trusted document on which we may stay calm since they are telling us that the moon change is small....How
the hell shall we feel if this document is about NEMESIS/Planet X/Nibiru?????

Wow... The eccentricities the moon is showing (if we are to believe this paper) will literally shake the earth as the path of the moon becomes more
eccentric (more so then usual even if minute).

From what I understand from this paper, the moons orbit is more eccentric due to a gravitational pull somewhere which is causing an increase of
velocity when the moon is moving towards the source and decrease when the moon is moving away.

This may even shift the earth from it's current orbit around the sun (however minute). What's the source of these perturbations? They really don't
know?

I am no astrophysicist by any stretch of the imagination so forgive my question if it is a dumb one, but couldnt the natural planetary wobble or a
potential minute shift in polar axis cause this kinda of effect on an orbitting object over time?

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If you believe this determination to be in error, see arxiv.org... for additional information.

I don't know if this has been posted yet, but this bit is pretty interesting:

3.6. A distant massive object: Planet X/Nemesis/Tyche

A promising candidate for explaining the anomalous increase of the lunar eccentricity
may be, at least in principle, a trans-Plutonian massive body of planetary size located in
the remote peripheries of the solar system: Planet X/Nemesis/Tyche (Lykawka & Mukai
2008; Melott & Bambach 2010; Fern´andez 2011; Matese & Whitmire 2011). Indeed, as we
will see, the perturbation induced by it would actually cause a non-vanishing long-term
variation of e.

If anything the moon is actually moving away from the Earth, albeit very, very slowly.

Anyway, I was getting my hair cut yesterday and as I was waiting I was reading The Sun newspaper. A Prof Brian Cox (anyone know this guy?) claims that
the supermoon theory is nothing more than Sci-Fi. Also if you go The Sun's webpage they have a few others stating the same thing.

I'm trying to get the link to work... Not sure what is happening. But go to the website and click the Supermoon story link.

Anyone else get that funny feeling that something is amiss? This is getting to be like everything else!

Heres a Picture for ya ! basically what the PDF say's Were Screwed! (in alota Years)
after the calculation's why bother going further! ! and ask for Help to Verify! the Results as its still in the Open for Questioning !

Garrick-Bethell and colleagues now think that the strange bulge can be accounted for if the Moon moved along a very different orbit than it does now
(see figure). Based on simple classical mechanics, rather than computer simulations, the MIT team suggest that when the Moon was just 100--200 million
years old it was less than 30 Earth radii away, compared to about 60 Earth radii now. As well as being much closer to Earth, they also believe the
Moon had a much more elliptical orbit at that time. They calculate that its "eccentricity" -- a measure of how much an ellipse differs from a circle
-- was 0.61, compared to just 0.05 today. (A circle, in contrast, has an eccentricity of zero.) Moreover, they believe that the Moon may have been
spinning much faster than it is today and behaved a bit like Mercury does today -- rotating three times about its own axis for every two revolutions
about the Sun (a so-called 3:2 resonance). Now, of course, the Moon spins just once for every revolution around the Earth, which is why we can never
see its far side. The team also showed that the bulge can be explained by a 1:1 resonance with an eccentricity of 0.49 and semimajor axis of 22.9
Earth radii.

They support that theory with the earthquake and killer tsunami of Dec. 26, 2004 (a Super Moon happened two weeks later) and a devastating cyclone
which hit Darwin, Australia, in the 1970s. Scientists dismiss the talk, saying the moon's gravitational pull is nowhere near strong enough to cause
disasters on earth. Now, with Super Moon a week away, we have this morning's devastating quake and tsunami in Japan. And an earthquake with a 4.2
magnitude hit Hawaii overnight. You want more? How about the eruption of a volcano in the Philippines? Read more:
obsweatherguy.blogspot.com...

Significant data to correlate earthquakes in Japan to solar eclipses exist, if we look a few hours before or a few days after a solar eclipse. On
March 18 1988 6 hours before the total solar eclipse a 5.4 earth quake occurred in the Setagaya ward of Japan. In 1998 an earthquake of the same
magnitude 5.4 took place in the same region a few days after the August solar eclipse. The interesting thing to note is that there does seem to be a
significant correlation between Total Solar Eclipses and Earthquakes in this region over the past decade. A magnitude 6+ earthquake occurred 6 hours
before the total solar eclipse in China, October 1995. A magnitude 5+ earthquake occurred 1 hour before the total solar eclipse in China, August
2008....................

Brian Cox also denies there could be intelligent life in the universe other than humans!!!!!

This guy, whilst the 'new trendy face' of UK mainstream media science is looking more and more like a deliberate attempt at denying there's
anything going on anywhere that science doesn't know about...seriously.

There are more of these 'science lite' progs on UK MSM with subliminals intended on dumbing down, example Betany Hughes on a prog last night on
history, on the subject of evolution and the arrival of intelligent humanity ''humans are obviously just a result of evolution''.

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