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By all accounts, Dreamers have been heavily vetted and have made a great effort to make right events that were beyond their control. By registering for the DACA program, they took a grave risk to try to legalize their presence in this country. Do we owe them that chance? Arguably, we do or else be guilty of history's biggest bait-and-switch since the Trojan Horse.

We elected the party of the bait and switch, so why shouldn't the dreamers get in on the action? Real america loves that kind of thing.

I don't know. It was pretty transparent bait. You'd have to be pretty naive to think Trump means even three-quarters of what he says. He's more of an obvious-lie-and-yep-he-lied.

Sure everyone knows he is constantly lying, but they all seem to think that THEY know which 10% of what he says he actually means. I have had people seriously argue that the wall was never about a physical wall because that is a dumb idea but it was a metaphor. Trump was always perfectly clear that it was a large concrete reinforced wall, but some how they know this was not what he meant.

Of course, the only reason someone could be pleased to see the law get enforced is if they are racist.

For these kind of laws? Most likely.

People who speed and break all sorts of laws that then turn around and turn into inspector javert on immigration are accountable for that. None of us are Javerts. We cannot hide behind "it's the law" as any justification for an action.

People who speed and break all sorts of laws that then turn around and turn into inspector javert on immigration are accountable for that. None of us are Javerts. We cannot hide behind "it's the law" as any justification for an action.

"Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, is the only maxim which can ever preserve the liberties of any people."
-John Quincy Adams

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Oh wait, I guess he meant to say:

**"Nip the shoots of arbitrary power in the bud, unless it seems mean"

And this is why I've largely given up on having serious policy discussions around here. How am I supposed to exchange ideas with you in a respectful way, if this is what you believe about me?

What, you didn't expect the Spanish inquisition?

This is not where we debate the merits of hobbesian versus Rousseau philosophical viewpoints, nor the dangers of arbitrary power versus heartless inflexibility. You are simply evil, and should be flamed until you recant.

Except these people came in as kids. Too young to actually break any laws.

The sins of the father...

Originally Posted by uke2se

I don't understand the obvious glee from the Trumpists in this thread about kicking out the Dreamers. Can it be interpreted as anything other than casual racism?

- I’m against abortion!

- - Even in cases of rape and incest?

- The life of the helpless child must be protected and cherished! Jesus weeps at this travesty!

-vis-

- Deport the Dreamers!

- - Y’know, many were brought here as infants, toddlers. Wouldn’t you agree they were helpless and, even though years have passed, we should cherish and protect them? Isn’t that the Christian thing to do?

- The life of the helpless child must be protected and cherished! Jesus weeps at this travesty!

-vis-

- Deport the Dreamers!

- - Y’know, many were brought here as infants, toddlers. Wouldn’t you agree they were helpless and, even though years have passed, we should cherish and protect them? Isn’t that the Christian thing to do?

- No exceptions! Arrest! Deport!

Ook, in a world of bad analogies, that is pretty bad, but in the context of the OP? Yikes...

__________________"these autistics preferred to back a woman who aligns herself with white supremacy." These autistics.

Having teams outside of games is probably a key survival trait in humans.

Societies and teams aren't the same thing.

Depending on the issue, I sometimes side with liberals and sometimes with conservatives, etc. I don't have a team because that'd mean I'd have to have opinions that fit with the team rather than having my own, and support what the team does regardless of whether it's good or acceptable.

IF iSkep does not remove the Sword of Damocles that is banning from this site, then I will leave this website.

threat?

I hate it when theprestige is so right. Your analogy was flawed from the beginning and I have no way to fix it. There is no comparable status on this site for the unwanted who chooses to leave prior to being forcibly removed. Thus are the efficiencies of our online environment.

If asked to leave, I will leave.

If told to leave, I will leave.

If the law says I may not remain, I will not remain.

None of that is threatening. You could go find something that is threatening, but I didn't see any dreamers quoted in that article that were threatening. Why do so many see aggression in what is clearly a statement of resignation? Is it some sort of projection? Why is their sadness portrayed as anger?

I hate it when theprestige is so right. Your analogy was flawed from the beginning and I have no way to fix it. There is no comparable status on this site for the unwanted who chooses to leave prior to being forcibly removed. Thus are the efficiencies of our online environment.

If asked to leave, I will leave.

If told to leave, I will leave.

If the law says I may not remain, I will not remain.

None of that is threatening. You could go find something that is threatening, but I didn't see any dreamers quoted in that article that were threatening. Why do so many see aggression in what is clearly a statement of resignation? Is it some sort of projection? Why is their sadness portrayed as anger?

I posted the original analogy 48 minutes ago. the poster that you are referring to has not commented on it.

__________________"these autistics preferred to back a woman who aligns herself with white supremacy." These autistics.

- The life of the helpless child must be protected and cherished! Jesus weeps at this travesty!

-vis-

- Deport the Dreamers!

- - Y’know, many were brought here as infants, toddlers. Wouldn’t you agree they were helpless and, even though years have passed, we should cherish and protect them? Isn’t that the Christian thing to do?

- No exceptions! Arrest! Deport!

Instead of inventing fake conversations, why not have a real conversation with a real person about a real opinion?

This one, for example, seems like it could lead to some interesting discussion across the aisle.

I don't understand the obvious glee from the Trumpists in this thread about kicking out the Dreamers. Can it be interpreted as anything other than casual racism?

I mean, we already know they are at least ok with racism, given that they support Trump, but it's kind of harrowing to see it becoming more open like this.

Even the Mexican part of my DNA is OK with kicking out the Dreamers. The Native American part of my DNA wants all you interlopers gone and our land back. Those two parts of my DNA aren't really talking to the White part of my DNA right now . . .

Seems pretty spot on and in keeping with the theme of the last few decades where rich people get poor people to blame very poor people for the problems caused by rich people trying to stay richget richer.

FTFY.

__________________"It never does just what I want, but only what I tell it."
"A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep."
"Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened."

"If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. " Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1

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