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The Big Lie Theory – Part 2

As I demonstrated in The Big Lie Theory – Part 1, telling huge whoppers is easier to get away with than telling small ones. Most people do not expect other people to be that dishonest so openly, therefore they think these ‘big lies’ must be true.

But not everyone believes them. Some people are more sceptical than others, more suspicious, or have studied the subject so that they recognise the technique when they see it. For these unfortunate souls, more propaganda techniques are used to keep them quiet.

This list of propaganda techniques and explanations I have taken from Wikipedia, but the inserts in red italics, demonstrating how I see them being used today by Maori, are mine. I will just highlight the techniques I see used most often.

Ad hominem

A Latin phrase which has come to mean attacking your opponent, as opposed to attacking their arguments.

This one you will find on almost any blog or forum which discusses the issues that 1law4all is concerned about. We saw it constantly on John Ansell’s blog, we see it here on our own, and on our Facebook page. It’s everywhere. If you dare to express an opinion that is negative towards Maori, their culture or politics in anyway, rather than challenge your opinion or ideas, they attack you personally. In my opinion, once the opposition resort to this technique they have lost the argument as they are unable to counter our facts with facts of their own.

Ad nauseam

This argument approach uses tireless repetition of an idea. An idea, especially a simple slogan, that is repeated enough times, may begin to be taken as the truth.

This technique, also used with the Big Lie technique, is also common. For example – Maori have claimed for years that during the eviction of the Maori people who were squatting on crown land at Parihaka, the women and girls were repeatedly raped. They claim that this atrocity took place, even though the whole eviction was witnessed by members of the press and other observers that were present at the time. We are to believe that a mass/gang rape of these helpless women and children took place, but it was never been so much as whispered about by any of the witnesses? Given the strict morality of the era, it does not seem plausible that the press would not have mentioned it at the very least. But there is no historical record of this occurring in any documentation or press reports. No letters written to family mention it. It’s as if it never happened – because – IT NEVER HAPPENED!

Yet Maori, and some pakeha, believe this is fact. Maori, what is more, claim that during the rapes, the Maori women were infected with an STD, causing them to become sterile and therefore aiding in the ‘extermination’ of the Maori race by causing them to become unable to breed. Some go so far as to assert that this was deliberate.

Such is their hatred of the colonialists that they have spread this lie for generations, to anyone who will listen, and now it is mostly accepted as fact, even though it is a complete fabrication.

Appeal to authority

Appeals to authority cite prominent figures to support a position, idea, argument, or course of action.

This is another technique I often come across. Maori have their favourites too – such as Dame Claudia Orange and Paul Moon.

If you speak of the Littlewood draft of the Treaty of Waitangi, for example, the most common argument you will hear is that Paul Moon said in his book that it cannot be a valid treaty as it was not signed. Maori love to quote this. But it is the most ridiculous argument for an academic to make. The Littlewood draft is just that, a draft, NOT A TREATY. Who signs a draft? A draft is a written document from which an original document is made and then the original is signed. You do not sign draft copies!

Dame Claudia Orange was the first Historian to see the Littlewood draft after it was discovered. Her first words on viewing the document were to the effect of: “This will be embarrassing”. Since then she has gone out of her way to discredit the draft and often acts as if it doesn’t exist at all. When it is pointed out that the Littlewood draft is dated before the date of the Treaty, the best she can come up with is that Hobson must have made a mistake on the date. Really? She did not even mention it in her lastest book on the Treaty. A very strange thing for a Historian of her repute, as an expert on the Treaty, to ignore a document that was the greatest find since finding the original Treaty itself! She continues to deny and discredit the Littlewood draft, even though experts have verified the hand writing, the one signature at the bottom and the paper that it was written on, which had a distinctive watermark. Dame Claudia Orange has lost all credibility in my opinion.

Appeal to fear

Appeals to fear seek to build support by instilling anxieties and panic in the general population. For example – Joseph Goebbels exploited Theodore N Kaufman’s Germany Must Perish! To claim that the Allies sought the extermination of the German people.

I struck this one very recently, when a person was commenting on Facebook about the first part of this article, he said this

“By the time the treaty settlements and Maori self-determination was being finalised, anti-Maori sentiment was nothing new — not by a long shot. The Maori people had suffered a long history of prejudice and persecution. And although propagandist perpetuated centuries-old lies, this time those lies would have their most devastating effects. Like never before, anti-Maori sentiments was manifested in a sweeping far right party known as “1law4all,” which sought to eliminate the only balance Maori have to be truly an equal people off the face of the Earth.( based on fact Bro)”

There are a few things odd about this statement. He is talking in past tense, as if he is reading from something that is printed about our current times, from a book in the future. So what I think he has done is taken a passage from a book that refers to something in the past, and changed some of the words to fit the current situation and 1law4all, but he hasn’t change the tense.

Another thing that doesn’t fit is “centuries old lies” – heck, the Treaty was signed less than 200 years ago.

Then he claims, in that weird statement, that 1law4all want to eliminate Maori’s chance of being equal off the face of the earth. Yet, 1law4all is the only party who advocate guaranteeing equality for all races in this country. And the way it is written, you know that a lot of Maori will just read that to mean that we want to ‘eliminate Maori off the face of the earth’, which is absolutely ridiculous, but it’s the fear of that, that he is trying to instil in others and use against us.

Demonizing the enemy

Making individuals from the opposing nation, from a different ethnic group, or those who support the opposing viewpoint appear to be subhuman, worthless, or immoral through suggestion or false accusations.

Racists, rednecks, klu klux klan, Nazis, white supremicists, – those are all accusations, labels and hate speech terms that are shouted at any non-Maori, and indeed at some Maori, who disagree, disapprove or speak out against the actions, politics and behaviour of some Maori. In fact that is what they call us because we want equality for all races!

I say that at times this is used against some Maori also because both Billy T James, who showed Maori up on TV, and Allan Duff, who wrote books about Maori lifestyles which became movies, (Once Were Warriors and What Becomes of the Broken-hearted), and his honest and earnest book called Maori – the Crisis and the Challenge, received death threats from Maori for their trouble.

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43 thoughts on “The Big Lie Theory – Part 2”

Well said. In the recent past, words such as holocaust, oppression and murder have been used. Today we hear extermination, execution, slaughter, gang rape, driven-off, starvation, genocide just to name a few.

In fact, one Maori web page mentions holocaust a fair bit. When you really study it, they want it to be officially recognised and they mention it will be a crime punishable by imprisonment if you dare state that the holocaust did not happen in NZ.

I have never read a single item from Maori that actually challenges or offers a debate. It automatically goes from the subject to personal insults and threats.

The reason for this is simple…they cannot offer a fair argument against the truth.

Not only has scaremongering become rife within Maoridom, the propaganda machine has instilled into their minds lies…. no evidence, no documentation, just fairy tales told to a group easily manipulated.

This group NEEDS to hear this tripe. Maori are desperate for somebody to blame.

You know you have hit the nail on the head when Maori actually cant argue. Enjoy it…it means you are winning.

And don’t forget the guilt thing. This is manifest in its most extreme form when a Maori radical said to a New Zealander “your great-grandfather raped my great-grandmother”-meaning if not literally then figuratively. This of course is supposed to have a shock effect but is utter rubbish as we all know that individuals of all ethnic origins are capable of unpleasant acts. All New Zealanders are by now an incredible mixture of different backgrounds. Witness the LISTENER article and work out your own 32 3xgreat-grandparents.

Oh, and dont forget annihilation and the catch phrase this week is systemic institutional racism. Moana Jackson is telling Maori that its not the armed offences that are getting them shot by the police, its the systemic institutional racism from a colonial police force.Even though Stephen Wallace was shot by a Maori police officer, jackson says that the officer was effected by systemic institutional racism.

Tariana Turia today has informed Maori that systemic institutional racism in hospitals is the reason Maori are DYING horrible deaths.

So, systemic institutional racism is annihilating Maori. Thats why Maori cannot argue… their leaders are scaring the crap out of their poor souls.

As Paul says,
“Not only has scaremongering become rife within Maoridom, the propaganda machine has instilled into their minds lies…. no evidence, no documentation, just fairy tales told to a group easily manipulated.”

Therein lies the problem. Camp fire rhetoric, told on the marae, is far easier to absorb than real fact, and it is very difficult to counter because it requires the presentation of real facts to do so. Most of us become quickly bored when presented with factual publications, filled with references, to prove a case. The average New Zealander is lost within the first chapter of the kind of factual argument needed to counter the wild claims made in support of Maori racism.

I don’t know the answer to this problem. All we can hope to do is raise the profile of this issue into the minds of middle New Zealanders, of all ethnicities, and get them interested enough to study a little of the material which counters the rhetoric – that rhetoric which has captured the minds of diverse intellects, ranging from the poorly educated to the Prime Minister.

Maori are victims. In fact they are victims even before they are even conceived. Born into a world of white supreme rule and injustice… Bla bla bla…
Yes we are all born into a world with a questionable past, nobody can deny that because it is documented, historical fact and accepted world wide as fact.

Maori on the other hand never had a written language. Infact, until recent times with on the onset of European colonisation their spoken language was very limited. So where does the history come from? Where is the documentation?

Maori have truly lost their identity. In fact I would say that the disconnect they have to their own identity , history and reality would be the number one greatest threat to Maori. In fact you could go as far to say they are committing racial geneside on themselves.

Continued…… Their willingness to fabricate the past based on fairy tales handed down over generations, each time becoming more farcical or whimsical to suit their needs has served only to eradicate their own identity or past as if they never were.

They also seemingly adopt the plight of other races such as the American Indians and American negro to name but a few as if the plight is shared. Their skin is kind of the same colour so therefore the history must be the same. I remember when as a school lad over hearing a group a Maori discussing how they used to be sold as slaves and they were taken away on big sailing ships….. I think they would go as far as to believe they killed Colonel Custer at Little Big Horn just south of Timeru.

Yes, they are fairy tales. Fairy tales dreamed up 150yrs after the fact. A longing to to be victims, pampered and mollycoddled. You will NEVER find a Maori elitist or Maori politician that will debate the facts as they have no evidence or even a factual event in which to base their argument on.

The debate would instantly become a spectical of screaming , name calling and the famous bantering of redneck, racist and bigots being hurled at whoever has the proof.

But the good news is, NZders know this. And we need to make it very clear for all those who are about to witness this as we head towards the election. Its simple, the Maori dont have an argument because their fairy tales are based on lies, no proof and just a figment of the imagination. As soon as NZders see this behaviour…we all know we have won.

We already have systemic institutionalised racism in NZ: eg laws and government policies favouring part-maoris and pacific islanders on the basis of their race. These are official state racism and you see them everywhere. John Key is making them even worse.

I attended several schools and a couple of universities in the 30’s and 40’s. Nobody cared about race. All were equals and all were “buddies”. People looked up to those who earned it, no matter what colour they were. The one and only difference was that the Maori were not allowed into public bars. That did not seem to bother them unduly. They were a happy free-and-easy bunch willing to share in all aspects of both their and our lives and cultures.
Then the laws changed – they were allowed to drink in public. As with many other ethnicities, it revolutionised their lives, for their tolerance to alcohol was minimal. This is a genuine case of the Pakeha influence degrading them, for which we should be ashamed.
Now we have the Treaty nonsense. The average Maori in the street is not a stirrer looking for a handout. He/she is a hard worker trying to support a family, but they are often looked down on solely because the stirrers and brainwashed (whose numbers are growing) cause so much dissent that we tend to lump them all together.
This would not have happened if certain Pakeha in Wellington had not given in to initial claims by the more cunning protagonists, so establishing precedents. After all, if someone legislated that everybody wearing a blue shirt on Tuesdays could apply for and get $1,000, anybody who did not rush out and buy a blue shirt would be an idiot.
Having seen how easy it was to hoodwink the gullible PC powers (who were now laced with fellow-Maori), naturally the precedents were extended until now they claim that among other far-fetched things the UHF radio spectrum was covered by the Treaty (a ‘Living’ Document).
No wonder the reins need to be tightened – don’t we wish that the horse had a reverse gear?

Hi Ron. Been thinking about that today. Quite often I feel bad about using the word Maori because its not Maori.

For the last 3 decades, universities, public offices and even apprentices have had to succumb to the indoctrinate of the version of the treaty that treatyist want us all to believe is true.

Its been a massive brainwashing exercise by Maori Nazis.

The argument that they are right is simply the by-product of lies that have been willing passed on to NZ citizens by NZ govts. A brainwashing technique carefully manufactured, used to effectively blackmail a pass grade or a likelihood of future promotions as without a clear understanding of the false treaty, your future employment was null.

Furthermore, guilt is thrown into the faces of these people about the atrocities that Maori claim to be true in order to subdue and lead these people into total submission and beg for their apologies to be accepted.

Joseph Goebbels would be immensely proud of the Maori Nazi propaganda machine.

An education campaign using historical documents is well overdue. Hobsons draft says it all but has been suppressed.Historical documents that clearly identify the Maori claims of a holocaust, annihilation, extermination are utter nonsense should be made available to all.

I feel uncomfortable very often when the term Maori is used in these posts This is not I believe a race issue as such
Another term needs to be used it could be maybe neotribalists or treaty rortists or whatever but it is not
Maori Not if we believe in one law for all anyway
It does the cause no good at all to engage in racial divisions in that way

Fonz. Whenever a Maori leader, politician, activist or elder makes a comment publicly…. they make the statement on behalf of all Maori. Its always our people, or Maoridom. So, upon reflection, the grouping of all Maori into one cubical is actually an issue that Maori spokespeople have done themselves. I am just following suit by the example that has been set by the wisdom of the Maori leadership.

Have to say, no politician has ever stood up and claimed he speaks on behalf of ALL of the people of his race….except for Maori.

If some Maori dont like it (and I mean grouped in one pen like the leaders of Maoridom demand), then they should speak out and separate from the group that are bringing them down.

Fonz, it’s probably not so strange that part Maori keep their silence. (I continue to use the “Maori” word only because there is no other term that is in general use.) I agree that there are many of them that are sick of the whole thing, just as much as we are, but if we put ourselves in their shoes they probably feel trapped between two sides of the argument. Whatever they say they would be letting one of those sides down. I think I’d just sit on the fence if I were in their situation.
That’s why I support the issue being dragged into the open, so that it receives due discussion and debate. If NZCPR and 1law4all are the means to that end then I will support that process.
This matter needs addressing, and not by politicians and vested interest parties as it is at present. It needs to become the subject of wide discussion followed by full referendum. Only then can those part Maori have their say in a confidential manner. Only then will we hear the true feelings of the NZ masses.

“Race” is non definable, biologically and scientifically it does not exist (google it if you don’t believe me).

“Ethnicity” is self perceived and reflects a single persons view of who they are, today. This is why the offspring of a Maori man and a Pakeha woman can be either Pakeha or Maori depending on how they see themselves i.e Winston is not a Maori but Tipene is.

What this situation means is anyone can be anyone they want to be. It is conceivable then that a group of white people can claim Maori ethnicity, if they truly believe they are Maori they will be. This how it works for all people who identify as Maori.

This would make life difficult for the Waitangi Tribunal as they only act on grievances claimed by people with Maori ethnicity (not race). Imagine how they would deal with a 1000 claims from “White Maori” claiming they have been left out of the grievance process.

(quote)OMG. Ive been hoping someone would compare this to the Nazis. I tried to put an advert in the Herald in the late 90s saying just so..but they refused saying it was inflammatory. I was refused for trying to tell the truth! We are at battled with Maori Nazis…believe it!(unquote)

There are quite a few propoganda techniques in Wikipedia’s list that you’ve missed. One of those is “disinformation”.

It’s dead obvious that every post on here is in support of your cause and that you disallow posts that disagree with your viewpoints (I’ve tried before) so I challenge you to accept this one. Otherwise, let’s add disinformation to the list and let’s be completely honest with ourselves, shall we?

Buddy
There is quite a difference between what you are trying to imply, and in what we are doing, which is getting the truth out there because of all the lies and mis/disinformation that has already been told about our history and about the colonialists. We also need to make people such as yourself aware of how they are being conned. You might not like it, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t fact.
Some of the quotes you ‘quote’ are by our readers, comments from readers, not from us, so that is misleading for a start.
If you read the entire article you would see at the bottom that it said “to be continued”. You will also have seen that I said I wasn’t going to cover all of them. But since you brought up disinformation you’ll be pleased to know that I do intend on covering that one – that one is so huge and there are so many examples of disinformation from Maori, that I was leaving it till the next part of the article to cover it. I’m sure you’ll look forward to reading it.

Buddy, I welcome you to join this debate. You seem to imply that you have had some other posts “disallowed.” I hope that, if so, it was because of something inappropriate and not because of suppression of any opposing view point.

The reason that there are groups springing up to debate these issues is because there has been far too much one sided “discussion” going on up until now. Finally the middle NZ masses are stirring. They realise that they have been remiss in not entering the debate. As a consequence many now believe that the one sided, and self serving, interests have been getting away with far too much. They have sent our country down a slippery slope to disharmony on a scale not seen before.

The posts on here are full of support for 1law4all, just as I assume the posts on anything to do with Mana or Maori Party are. That is to be expected.
What is needed are people, such as yourself, to enter into the debate so that we can come together and try to get better understanding of the opposing view points. If done in a courteous and reasoned manner it can only be a positive process. If it descends into an unpleasant outpouring of bigotry then it can do nothing but harm. There might be some narrow minded posters here (very few seen so far) that cannot do that but I’m sure they will not outnumber the extreme views that come out of the opposing camp. So Buddy, welcome, and let the debate begin.

The only thing I intend to debate is that you, in turn, are using propoganda to scare ordinary New Zealanders as this is the subject of the post.

There is quite a difference between what you are trying to imply, and in what we are doing, which is getting the truth out there

Truth – possibly – who knows really? But what does the history of Tuhoe (factual or otherwise) or allowing posts combining Maori and Nazis have to do with “one law for all” except to serve as demonizing the enemy?

What does a scaremongering suggestion that the country’s name will be changed to Aoteroa or that we have an apartheid system of Government have to do with “one law for all” except to serve as fear, uncertaintly and doubt? For anyone else reading out there -:
– you don’t have to use “Aoteoroa” if you don’t want to
– despite it being Maori language week, no-one is forcing Queenstown residents to speak Maori
– nobody is going to sneakily change the name of country in the middle of the night, while you’re not watching. Don’t worry.
– we do have three official languages – there is no harm in using any three of them; at any time. NZ Post are quite within their rights to put Sign Language on a stamp if they feel fit – I doubt that would encourage the same outrage as is seen here, only laughter.

Some of the quotes you ‘quote’ are by our readers, comments from readers, not from us, so that is misleading for a start.

The posts are moderated. You have refused my posts before. Why not refuse the example I’ve given above?

We also need to make people such as yourself aware of how they are being conned.

Another propoganda techinque. Make it personal. It’s not personal, it’s the Government, it’s politics. Nobody is going to come, beat me over the head and steal my car.

Finally the middle NZ masses are stirring. They have sent our country down a slippery slope to disharmony on a scale not seen before.

And, yep, that would be another couple of propoganda techinques. Suggesting that the crowd is doing it, suggesting that the end is nigh. And, to sum up, my personal view is that it is far from this. I would assert that, actually, the middle NZ masses would side with me on this.

Buddy
You keep saying we have denied comments by you before. I have been right through every comment ever sent to this website and there are none from you that have been Unapproved. So I don’t know what you are talking about there.

Now to address your points. We are not trying to scare anyone. We are trying to make New Zealanders aware of what is going on, and has been going on for a long time now. The truth – definitely – we don’t publish anything unless we can back it up. We can’t afford to be anything but scrupulously vigilant on our facts. Our credibility relies on it.

As to your assurances that we have nothing to fear or worry about when it comes to the name of our country being changed, or speaking the Maori language. Saying we don’t have to do these things. Well we may not have to at present, but certain Maori elite are doing everything they can to force these things on us and make them compulsory. If they have their way the rest of us won’t have a choice before long, and that is wrong. New Zealand is supposed to be a democracy and any such things should only occur by choice. They told us we didn’t have to worry about the changes to the foreshore and seabed legislation too. But look how many beaches are now under claim already! Damn right we are concerned and we have every reason and every right to be.

As for making it personal. It is personal – deeply personal. It is our history, our heritage and our ancestors that the lies are being told about. It is our hard earned taxes that are being used to pay for all these special privileges for Maori. It is not the governments money, nor the Crowns. Neither the government nor crown have any money which they have not first taken from the people. By constantly saying the crown is paying the settlements, Maori are trying to make it impersonal. But the truth is the taxpayers are paying them. That’s your family, Buddy. Your neighbours, the guy who runs the local video store or the one who sweeps the streets, or the teaches at the schools. The working public of NZ are paying the settlements, not the Crown. Something we all need to remember, because we had no say in it, yet it costs us billions every year.

Buddy,
You are very quick to dismiss all opposing views as propaganda it seems. So I feel entitled to ask you: Why do you think that some of the history that I was taught, my children were taught, and grandchildren are now being taught, is not propaganda?
I have come to the realisation that what was, and is still, taught in our schools and other institutions is not necessarily the truth.
There are more and more books and articles being published denouncing the previously held views of the original propagandists – the ones that you appear to subscribe to. These new publications are often hard reading because they contain factual references to back the claims they make, something that many of the more parochial musings, which have become the basis for popular beliefs, do not contain. Are writings full of such factual references propaganda? Or are they the truth compared to tales told without factual reference?

It is only in recent times that I have had my mind opened to the alternative views to the propaganda (I’ll keep using the word since you are obviously very familiar with it) that has found its way into our institutions. My awakening did not begin due to any political disenchantment (the cart is not before the horse) but rather a new found interest in our country’s early history. I moved to an area which abounds with more history than whence I came. Remnants of that history are there for me to see. It started with my reading a story of Te Kooti. I came to see that he was perhaps not the wrongly persecuted Robin Hood character I had thought. Actually he was someone with few redeeming features. That led me to further readings about the Taranaki situation and Parihaka. Augustus Earle’s ‘Nine Months in New Zealand’ painted a very bleak picture of Maori life pre 1840. He was a visitor and wrote his book nearly twenty years before 1840. He didn’t stay and he had no political agenda in his writing. He just told the facts as he saw them when he went back to the other side of the world. Would his story be propaganda to you because it does not portray a Maori utopia?

“Truth – possibly – who knows really? But what does the history of Tuhoe (factual or otherwise) or allowing posts combining Maori and Nazis have to do with “one law for all” except to serve as demonizing the enemy?”

Surely you can see the answer here. It was Stephen O’Regan who brought reference to Nazi sympathizers into the public arena in regard to 1law4all. That is not propaganda to you? Who is demonizing who? For goodness sake! It came from someone holding a position requiring utmost impartiality! Perhaps his tongue was firmly in his cheek. What do you think?
So, to you Buddy, saying that anyone supporting 1law4all must be “Nazi sympathizers” is okay and O’Regan is not trying to scare anybody? I question your objectivity Buddy.
You also chose to quote a post from somebody mentioning the Nazi word. It is just a post, by someone who may not even be a representative of 1law4all any more than I am – and I am not. I wish that nobody used such extremisms in these debates but we’re all human and prone to the odd failing. However, now you have tried to turn that post into anti 1law4all propaganda.

“The only thing I intend to debate is that you, in turn, are using propoganda to scare ordinary New Zealanders as this is the subject of the post.”

Well, I’m prepared to debate further issues with you so why the reticence? Why such narrow terms of reference? Do you only want to discuss what suits you and topics you think you might win? That’s not very sporting is it? I guess I’ll just have to keep slanting the debate to the use of propaganda to keep you interested then.

Let’s take a look at what propaganda has achieved on behalf of Tuhoe – since they’re mentioned by you and quoted three paragraphs up.
Propaganda has it that the Tuhoe have been a persecuted group. Maybe they were, but there was a reason for it. They took part in the atrocities involving Te Kooti. They took up arms, if not against The Crown then against the law at least. They massacred both settler and Maori alike. They then savagely murdered a defenseless missionary and incurred the retribution due for that – or that is just propaganda to you?
They were savage times on all sides back then, but why should only the Maori be able to commit atrocities with impunity post the signing of The Treaty?
Tuhoe say they didn’t sign The Treaty. It does not stop them invoking it, and the so called “Principles,” when there’s dollars, 170 million of them actually, in it for them. I didn’t sign any agreement to obey the speed limit either, but if I step outside it I pay the price. It is the only way a modern progressive society can work. We can’t pick and choose which parts we are on side with. We can’t say we’re above the law when it suits and then invoke law to our advantage when it suits us the other way.
Staying with Tuhoe issues further, when the inquiry into the “anti terrorist” raids by police came out the findings were that police acted outside their rights. The inquiry also found that the reported event, where police entered a school bus and “terrorized” school children, did not occur. Someone was telling a lie or two. That was definitely propaganda. But, other than in the very first announcement it was never mentioned in the media again. We continue to hear all about the other side of the story though, but of course there’s no propaganda in that. Yeah right!
That is what middle New Zealand masses are beginning to rise against Buddy – the hypocrisy and propaganda that we see increasingly coming from a relatively small group in our modern society; a group made up of mostly, and increasingly, the same bloodlines as the rest of us but desiring to remain aloof on racial pretence.

So, I’ve now dragged up a lot of old historical “propaganda” that you won’t agree with but I shouldn’t have had to. The past needs to be left in the past. Learn to move on and go forward into the world with the rest of us. None of my white ancestors committed any of the atrocities on behalf of the early colonists, and hopefully none of your ancestors committed atrocities either, but it does not matter. It is the past.
As recently as 65 years ago we were at war with Germany, Italy, and the Japanese. Now we are friends and trading partners with those nations. We moved on and, even if we do not forget completely, we have forgiven. Why is there continual carping on about relatively minor events, committed by none of us alive today, that happened here in New Zealand 140 years ago?
It seems that one side can’t move on and so will forever be doomed to being conveniently “disadvantaged,” not by past historical events, but because of an ingrained mindset perpetuated by their own (you probably guessed it) PROPAGANDA which they have come to believe.

You mentioned the issue of name changing for our nation. I don’t feel strongly enough to put in a submission about that but neither do I see a good reason to change the name by which the whole world knows us. That’s just pandering to the same old group, with a complex, in my opinion – and I am allowed to have one, just like you are.
I work in the wider world where I’m known as a New Zealander so I don’t see that changing the name of our country, or either island, has any gain for us as a whole.
Without thinking too deeply I can recall some nations that have changed their names in my life time: Korea – North and South; Rhodesia – Zimbabwe; Burma – Myanmar. They were the result of regimes grabbing supreme and undemocratic power, and not to the common people’s advantage either. New Zealand – Whatever: Would it be different? Is my tongue firmly in my cheek or am I “trying to scare ordinary New Zealanders” as you put it?

By the way, any claim that all Maori referred to New Zealand as Aotearoa is just PROPAGANDA (I had to put that in there just for you Buddy.) It will cost to change the Nations name. I happen to be one of the 15% of New Zealanders who get the privilege of paying 57% of the income tax gathered. There, I’ve provided some statistics for you but I guess that means it must be more propaganda? I guess you now know who will be paying for it the most. I’d much rather my taxes be spent on hospitals and schools for all our people, (perhaps even in Ruatahuna,) rather than any national name changing or $15 million dollar offices in Taneatua for the Tuhoe elite. Darn it Buddy! Now you’ve got me thinking about it so I guess I do need to file a submission against a name change after all. See what you’ve done?

And I’ll close my argument with this:

“Finally the middle NZ masses are stirring. They have sent our country down a slippery slope to disharmony on a scale not seen before.”
“And, yep, that would be another couple of propoganda techinques. Suggesting that the crowd is doing it, suggesting that the end is nigh. And, to sum up, my personal view is that it is far from this. I would assert that, actually, the middle NZ masses would side with me on this.”

Your opinion versus mine Buddy, nothing more, nothing less, and no more propaganda technique than in your own words.
Time will tell I guess. I think even you must be able to see the signs after the weekend by-election. There is increasing polarization evident as a small group moved radically further to the extreme Mana Party, and the larger group have left the Maori Party and headed back over to Labour. So that’s not “the crowd” showing any trend then? It must be just some sort of propaganda.

Well said Kevin and thanks for taking the time. Like you I found out some of the real history when I read about my great-grandfather who hid in the grass to avoid Te Kooti at Matawhero where some 53 men, women and children were murdered-the large majority Maori! The subsequent campaign saw him fighting under a Maori commander whom he admired greatly. Not the history that many Maori activists want known. Like you I hope that we can go forward but I fear people like Stepehn O’Reagan and Ranganui Walker will do all that they can to push an alternate view.

I have been right through every comment ever sent to this website and there are none from you that have been Unapproved

Posted under a different alias.

Well we may not have to at present, but certain Maori elite are doing everything they can to force these things on us and make them compulsory

Surely this is a figament of your imagination, just like the Queenstown council “forcing” everyone to speak Maori. Give me some good examples of how the *ordinary* New Zealander will be forced into submission?

But look how many beaches are now under claim already

Enlighten me – what does this mean to the *ordinary* New Zealander?

It is our history, our heritage and our ancestors that the lies are being told about

So that would be some unsubstantiated, non-scientific assessments of some historical documents that supposedly “blow the lid open” on The Treaty? Can’t the *ordinary* New Zealander just get on with their future? Or is dragging up the past useful to your cause?

Your post has pretty much confirmed to me that the objective is not so much “1law4all” but rather an anti-Maori sentiment – you’ve not spoken once about your supposed guiding princple, just ranted about Maori rights.

ah well Buddy, unless you tell me which of your other personalities left a message that was not approved, I can’t look back at it and see why, now can I!

You think it’s a figment of my imagination that we may be forced to learn Maori? The Maori Party are trying to get te reo made compulsory in Schools for one thing. There are many jobs where you have a better chance of being employed if you can speak it because the people doing the employing are Maori or because the company has been struck down with this whole PC disease nonsense, as so many of them are.

As for the effect on the ‘ordinary’ New Zealander of our beaches being taken over by Maori, there are many probable effects. For one, Maori have special rights under the Resouce Management Act, so they can establish coastal industries with impunity, spoiling swimming, fishing and boating areas that are currently used by everyone for recreation. These industries would also then be able to exclude people from their areas. Secondly, they can ban ‘ordinary’ New Zealanders from vast areas of the beaches by claiming wahi tapu (sorry if the spelling of that is wrong). They can do this where ever and when ever they choose and do not have to even give proof of the reasons. I believe they can even fine anyone who goes there, even if by accident.

Then you say this: “So that would be some unsubstantiated, non-scientific assessments of some historical documents that supposedly “blow the lid open” on The Treaty? Can’t the *ordinary* New Zealander just get on with their future? Or is dragging up the past useful to your cause?”

I can assure you our assertions are fully substantiated, very scientific and fully proven. As for the rest of your statement – you have a darn cheek saying that about the ‘ordinary’ New Zealander, when it is Maori that have been dragging up the past, and re-writing it to suit their cause, for decades in order to extort money and property from the rest of us!

I don’t have to speak of our guiding principles when I am replying to you and your ridiculous comments, Buddy. The rest of the website does that for me 🙂

Surely you can see the answer here. It was Stephen O’Regan who brought reference to Nazi sympathizers into the public arena in regard to 1law4all.

I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. But this place is rife with posts and references to both Maori and Nazi in the same sentence. It’s dispacable but, possibly, not unexpected.

You also chose to quote a post from somebody mentioning the Nazi word. It is just a post, by someone who may not even be a representative of 1law4all any more than I am

The posts are moderated. It was allowed. So it does represent something that “Admin” thought wasn’t uncalled for or over the top. Much like this one:

Nazism. One of the Brown Coats bringing authority and laws into disrepute. Conditioning New Zealanders for Maori Nazism.

Allowed; therefore justifed by “Admin”.

Do you only want to discuss what suits you and topics you think you might win?

This is what the post is about, Kevin. If you wanted to talk about dogs, I’d talk about dogs.

We could talk about how this place has a post about an entry in an online Maori dictionary, how that has *absolutely* nothing to do with ‘1law4all’ if you like?

Without thinking too deeply I can recall some nations that have changed their names in my life time. They were the result of regimes grabbing supreme and undemocratic power, and not to the common people’s advantage either. New Zealand – Whatever: Would it be different? Is my tongue firmly in my cheek or am I “trying to scare ordinary New Zealanders”

I am afraid I have absolutely no idea what you are on about here. The name of the country has not and will not change. End of.

Neither of you have really provided any evidence to refute the claim that you aren’t just using propoganda yourselves. I mean look at the article regarding the online Maori dictionary – *absolutely* nothing to do with what your party is *supposedly* about. In pointing these things out I feel I am actually helping your cause when all I really intended to do was to point out to those semi-rational people reading this that there is clearly an agenda here. Even listing your official address as being in Orewa…I mean seeesh, this is tiring. Had it.

Kevin can answer this too, as it is addressed to him, but I want to say something as well.
Our post office box is in Orewa because that is the closest post office to where our Secretary/Treasurer lives and it’s him who has to collect the mail. It’s that simple, yet for some reason you are making much more out of it Buddy. Why?
Secondly, propaganda is usually used to try and make people believe things that are not true. We are not doing that, but are simply pointing out facts. Facts that we can back up. Calling it propaganda because you don’t like the facts will not change the facts themselves and you are merely trying to put people off reading or believing them by labeling them as such. Unfortunately for you, people are reading them and our proof, which can’t be argued.
Thirdly – we have an agenda, yes we do, it’s stated perfectly clearly on the front page of our website, and on the policy page. In fact, our agenda is called Policy, Buddy. We’re a political party and we most definitely have an agenda, we would not get far without one, would we!

‘Buddy’-says he has no idea what the reference to Stephen O’Reagan is about. Stephen O’Reagan aka Sir Tipene O’Reagan is the co-chairman of the government appointed constitutional review panel and he is alleged to have made a comment at a function in Dunedin that ‘those who seek to limit Maori influence are acting in the manner of nazi sympathisers’. I have never seen another report of this and I seriously doubt that any media would report it. If he did make it the remark is doubly serious as he is supposed to be promoting debate. Any study of this man’s credibility will show the doubt we have is real.

Facts that we can back up. Calling it propaganda because you don’t like the facts will not change the facts themselves

I asked you for *facts* on how the Maori elite are forcing you to do things you don’t want to; and how the “claiming” of beaches would affect ordinary New Zealanders. You did not reply with anything apart from “people are reading them and our proof, which can’t be argued”

I suggested that the *facts* are that you allow people to post comments such as “Conditioning New Zealanders for Maori Nazism.” The best that Kevin could come up with was “someone called me that first”. Kevin – two wrongs make a right, right?

Hello again Buddy.
I see Admin has had a go at enlightening you on some of your points. I will also make an attempt.

Quote Buddy> “I have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. But this place is rife with posts and references to both Maori and Nazi in the same sentence.”

My thanks to Roger Strong for his explanation of the O’Regan and Nazi thing for you.

Quote Buddy > “The best that Kevin could come up with was “someone called me that first”. Kevin – two wrongs make a right, right?”

Please show me where you got that quote from since you have attributed to me. For the record about the only thing I think you and I will agree on is the fact that two, or even more, wrongs do not make a right. If O’Regan labeled 1aw4all supporters “Nazi Sympathizers” that is a wrong. We know John Hadfield referred to the rest of NZ as “White Mother F***ers,” and the Maori Party as something along the lines of “Uncle Tom N***ers.” That is another two wrongs, but that sort of thing is out there. It comes from those that are very against a nation, undivided along racial lines, with equal rights and law for all. If any 1law4all person was to make similar statements I would hold them in the same contempt I hold O’Regan and Hadfield.

Now, I must inform you of this. I have personal concerns about using the Nazi analogy. In some of your replies I get the feeling that you accuse me of spouting that sort of thing. Please point out where you can quote me personally in that vein.
For your further enlightenment please read through the “Another Maori Privilege” thread. There you will see that I tackle a poster about using the Nazi analogy. In response I received replies explaining why he does so. I have to admit that he makes a cogent argument and backs his reasons. I have to defer to his point of view.
I like to think I have an open and enquiring mind but I’m still uneasy because I can see that it upsets people, such as you, who perhaps don’t have quite the required degree of English comprehension skills to see what he is truly saying. So, I asked him to come to this thread and explain himself to you because the Nazi argument is not mine to defend. If he does not do so please go to that thread. There you should learn something of the facts and reasons as presented by him.

Quote Buddy> ‘The only thing I intend to debate is that you, in turn, are using propoganda to scare ordinary New Zealanders as this is the subject of the post.”
In the above quote you categorically state that I was only allowed to debate that part of your response referring to propaganda, and yet, you went on to discuss many points that you were not happy about. You restricted me to that topic alone, and yet you were taking issue with several topics on the website. That is what I found an odd way of debate. Muzzle me to only one topic when it suits but you can rant on many?
We’ll stay with propaganda a little longer then. I went to a fair amount of trouble to try to explain the true meaning of propaganda to you, and how it can be worked into many things. It obviously went over your head. So I’ll try again, this time using an example closer to home. In fact, you are the example.
Three steps to good propaganda technique:
1. Create the lie.
Example: Buddy> “The best that Kevin could come up with was someone called me that first.”
I never said any such thing. Show me where
2. Reinforce the lie.
Example: Buddy> The best that Kevin could come up with was “someone called me that first”.
Place the lie in quotation marks to reinforce the misconception that the comment is attributable to me
3. Post it on a website with public access.
Thereby any readers that come along will be fooled into thinking that I said words that you put in my mouth, unless they took the time to go back and fully analyze the previous exchanges – and we know that isn’t likely. But here I am, teaching a master of propaganda about propaganda. Funny old world isn’t it?
Quote Buddy >“This is what the post is about, Kevin. If you wanted to talk about dogs, I’d talk about dogs.” No discussion of dogs would be relevant on this website, although I know a fair bit about them as well if you want to go somewhere else to discuss it.
Quote Buddy>“We could talk about how this place has a post about an entry in an online Maori dictionary, how that has *absolutely* nothing to do with ’1law4all’ if you like?”
Quote Buddy> “Neither of you have really provided any evidence to refute the claim that you aren’t just using propoganda yourselves. I mean look at the article regarding the online Maori dictionary – *absolutely* nothing to do with what your party is *supposedly* about.”
Okay. Now I have your approval we will discuss it, but I must once again stress to you, I am not a mouthpiece for 1law4all. I’m actually a long term National supporter researching my options for the future. See? I have nothing to hide.
It actually does have a lot to do with 1law4all I think. 1law4all is a party that appears to be opposed to inequality across the populace.
Hypothetically: What do you think the official outcry would be if the police were to have a guide book giving a definition of Maori as, “someone who should be kicked in the backside,” or, “locked in a cell because we all know Maori break the law?’ Whoever was responsible, and probably the Police Commissioner, would be unemployed very quickly. The “Racist” howling from Maori would be deafening – and fair enough. It’s been found out that a Maori dictionary gave the definition of a policeman as “someone who should be kicked in the backside. . .” There’s been only a murmur or two in the press and on sites such as this one. Why Buddy? To you is that a good education for children learning Maori language? Why aren’t you outraged? Hypocrisy?
So it is up to a party like 1law4all, to take a stand against this sort of thing, if that is their stated agenda as I understand it. It is therefore plenty to do with 1law4all.

Quote Buddy> “I am afraid I have absolutely no idea what you are on about here.
Previous Quote Buddy> “What does a scaremongering suggestion that the country’s name will be changed to Aoteroa or that we have an apartheid system of Government have to do with “one law for all” except to serve as fear, uncertaintly and doubt?”
Quote Buddy> “- nobody is going to sneakily change the name of country in the middle of the night, while you’re not watching. Don’t worry.”

Have you heard of the NZ Geographic Board Buddy? You seem to make a lot of statements and then, when I reply to them, you say you’ve no idea what I am on about. This leads me to think that you are someone who speaks much but knows little. So I’ll try to bring you up to speed so you can be a better debater in future. The NZ Geographic Board is calling on submissions to back their wish to change the name of New Zealand, and/or the respective islands it comprises thereof. Did you not know that? There is disquiet because the board appointed to consider the matter is somewhat similar in appearance to the same racially stacked panel running the so called constitutional review.
For you I list them below:

Mr Matanuku Mahuika nomination from the Minister of Māori Affairs
Mr Garrick Murfitt – NZOM Local Government New Zealand Nomination, from Pahiatua
Mr Murfitt has extensive community and organisational experience, having played a leading role in rural organisations and local government, including the Chair of the Manawatu/Whanganui (Horizons) Regional Council for many years. His recent NZOM award recognises his services to local body affairs.
He has been committed to working with Māori communities and has been involved in a number of collaborative initiatives involving local government, iwi/hapu, and government agencies.[/i]
Rikirangi Gage, Minister of Māori Affairs Nomination, from Te Kaha
Dr Sir Tipene O’Regan Te Rūnanga o Ngāi Tahu Nomination

Anything strike you odd about that list Buddy? Hard to believe that, in a population of 85% non Maori, a panel set up to consider something as important as the national identity should, by chance, consist of 100% Maori. Isn’t it? Although I don’t know about Mr Murfitt. Studying his credentials up there gives you a little bit to think about though – if your brain is not too tired already.

Quote Buddy> “For anyone else reading out there -:
– you don’t have to use “Aoteoroa” if you don’t want to
– despite it being Maori language week, no-one is forcing Queenstown residents to speak Maori”

Bonny Rodwell. Have you heard of her Buddy? Don’t you follow the news? She’s got a shop in Queenstown apparently. She happened to mention that she didn’t want to speak Maori – this very week. The howling from the media was almost hysterical. They’ve reported, with what to me appears considerable and inappropriate glee, that she is now subject to a barrage of Maori language taunting and greetings. But there couldn’t be any racial bullying going on down there – could there be? Buddy? Hmmmm? I think similar sorts of things happened in Germany, once upon a time, according to my history lessons anyway. We don’t want it here.

Posted directly at me:
Quote Buddy> “Even listing your official address as being in Orewa…I mean seeesh, this is tiring. Had it.”

You don’t learn do you Buddy? For the last time, I’m not Mr 1law4all, and I don’t live in Orewa! You need to research your argument, and listen to what your debating opposite says, before running off at the mouth, or keyboard.
I went to great pains to give you a clue that I obviously didn’t live in Orewa (and I’ve only a general idea of its location) in my first reply to you. If you actually knew your Maori history, and absorbed my writing, you would have picked up that I’m from the land of Te Kooti. So far as I know Te Kooti didn’t spend much time getting up to anything memorable in Orewa; not that I can find to learn about anyway. Feel free to enlighten me if I’m wrong. I’m not aware that he passed through on the way to Waitangi, for the big sign up, either; or if he popped over for a look at Orewa after attending the Kohimarama meeting in 1860. You know the one? Where the surviving Chiefs, who had signed the Treaty, and a bunch of new ones, all got together and reaffirmed the bloody good deal it had all turned out to be for both Maori and all New Zealand alike? But you probably wouldn’t want to know about that meeting, would you Buddy? Does it even exist in your version of history?
What were you thinking when you posted that about Orewa? That I would be insulted if I lived in Orewa? What have you got against the citizens there?
I did some research to try to find my answer for that. I came up with: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigotry

Quote Buddy. (Who admits he,) “Posted under a different alias.”
Quote Buddy>”The name of the country has not and will not change. End of.”

So to finish, I’ve obviously underestimated you Buddy. You’re obviously a very influential man in NZ politics and the bureaucracy. I feel really reassured now.

Wow Kevin…that was both barrels blasting away. Awesome!
You will find that Buddy is actually Jack Cooper. I had a FB chat with him yesterday and the ramblings were exactly the same. He has latched onto the word propaganda, usual case of not being able to provide an argument but rather using words written about his lot and reversing it. No evidence to back up an argument so they just fire out words at random. Gota love those little fellas. lol

Just been having a quick peek at Mana and Hone Harawiras Facebook pages.

It would appear for the first time that Maori are starting to question the wealth the Maori Corps and Iwi have and why they are not helping their people.

The questions are being asked because of the fact that Maori are unable or are just not qualified to feed their own kids. The blame and solution for the white man to spoon feed them appears to be shifting.

Now, what will happen if their questioning gains momentum? Even rumblings on audits are being thrown around.

Will legislation be introduced that makes questioning these corporations illegal? Will the questioning be classed as inciting racial hatred? Will it be seen if the Maori take action to get their slice from the Iwi trigger some fantasy of the crown neglecting its obligations of the treaty and extra top ups will have to be made?

Now Kevin, I realise you do not like the word Nazi and I also respect the fact that you dont want your friends to view that word. I do see it in NZ and its called Maori Nazism.

I received an email yesterday from a good man that I want to share with you. I still get goosebumps when I read it.

I want to hear from you after you have read it. Are you and your friends in the silent majority?

…………………………………………………..

A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II,
owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how many
German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our
attitude toward fanaticism.

‘Very few people were true Nazis,’ he said, ‘but many enjoyed the
return of German pride, and many more were too busy to care. I was one
of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of fools. So, the
majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we knew it,
they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world had
come. My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp
and the Allies destroyed my factories.’

We are told again and again by ‘experts’ and ‘talking heads’ that
Islam is the religion of peace and that the vast majority of Muslims
just want to live in peace. Although this unqualified assertion may be
true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to
make us feel better, and meant to somehow diminish the spectre of
fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.

The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history. It
is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50
shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics who systematically
slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are
gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is
the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder, or honour-kill. It is the
fanatics who take over mosque after mosque It is the fanatics who
zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and
homosexuals. It is the fanatics who teach their young to kill and to
become suicide bombers.

The hard, quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority, the ‘silent
majority,’ is cowed and extraneous.

Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live in
peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of
about 20 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.. China
‘s huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists
managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a
warmongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way
across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the
systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by
sword, shovel, and bayonet.

And who can forget Rwanda , which collapsed into butchery. Could it
not be said that the majority of Rwandans were ‘peace loving’?

History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all our
powers of reason, we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of
points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.
Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don’t speak up,
because like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one day and
find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs,
Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians, and many
others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until
it was too late.

As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only
group that counts–the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just deletes
this email without sending it on, is contributing to the passiveness
that allows the problems to expand. So, extend yourself a bit and send
this on and on and on!

Let us hope that thousands, world-wide, read this and think about it,
and send it on – before it’s too late.

Now Islamic prayers have been introduced into Toronto and other public
schools in Ontario , and, yes, in Ottawa too while the Lord’s Prayer
was removed (due to being so offensive?) The Islamic way may be
peaceful for the time being in our country until the fanatics move in.
And we are silent…….

Pasts silent situation in New Zealand.

In New Zealand, Tiriti o Waitangi claims were nearly all fully and
finally settled prior to the British handing over sovereignty to our
country in 1947.

The Treaty of Waitangi Act 1975 changed all that. This Act and the
Waitangi Tribunal were founded solely on a false English treaty
written by a guy called Freeman, one who was never authorised by Gvnr.
Hobson to write a Treaty. On it is written ‘Done at Waitangi on the
6th of February, 1840’ when, indeed, it was signed at Waikato during
the month of April.

This date and time was written by Hobson as he authorised only one
Tiriti, Maori, and wrote after the signing at Waitangi, ‘This document
(the Maori Tiriti) is de facto the Tiriti of Waitangi and all further
signatures pertain to this document.

But our Maori Tiriti posed a problem, it holds no exclusive Maori rights!
Although our genuine Tiriti was incorporated into the T. o. W Act
1985, it was never fully implemented or the apartheid Waitangi
Tribunal would have to go.

Since the false English treaty, Hugh Kawharu and the Maori council
came up with a revised translations, one to change the meaning of
Taonga (translated from the word ‘property’) to ‘treasures’ and
another using false history to grant Maoris ‘customary rights’.
Through the use of these ‘false translations’ as ‘Treaties’, we have
seen the development of Maori schools, health care, favoured
employment, development of the changed Maori language, private land
being bought by Government to be used for claims, fish, forests,
rivers, lakes, mountains, foreshore and seabed have gone and set for
distribution.

Future

Our 1852 constitution is being reviewed and favoured to replace it is
the Constitution of Bolivia, a third world country.

In Bolivia, people had their private homes and cars confiscated and
put into Community care. Should past owners want to retain the use of
same, it is necessary to rent what used to be their own property.

Proceeds of rent split 50/50 between Government and indigenous people.

Why?

Why is New Zealand’s constitution currently being considered for change?

Because the silent majority kept their heads down and accepted the foregoing. Maori Nazism is alive in NZ

What can you do about it?

Shhh! No one would ever believe this could happen in New Zealand, shhh.

I am not sure that using the word fascism wouldn’t be better…comments. I certainly agree about the creeping nature of the problem and was reminded of it the other day when a speaker, a professional Maori on RNZ asked “well the sky hasn’t fallen in yet has it?”-this was supposed to reasuring I suppose but sounded much more like the frog and the ever hotter water to me. Propaganda is certainly the right word as my experience in the education system would tell me. There were just so many cases where half truths and downright lies were used-knowingly or unknowingly it was sometimes hard to tell. Many teachers who know the lies are forced to stay quiet although they should speak up.

I must apologise. There are about 5 pages of Kevin’s muse and it was difficult to see your replies.

I asked you for examples of how the Maori elite are forcing things on you. You replied:

The Maori Party are trying to get te reo made compulsory in Schools for one thing

The Maori party put forward a policy to make it compulsary to offer Maori in all schools. Note that big, bolded word: offer. Nobody has said that it will be compulsary for children to learn Maori, and that would never pass as a bill. Not correctly quanitfying the word offer may be a mistake on your behalf. Or, is it deliberate?

There are many jobs where you have a better chance of being employed if you can speak it

Please do give me some examples of this.

Next, I asked you for examples of where Maori “claiming” of beaches did an injustice to the ordinary citizen. You replied:

they can establish coastal industries with impunity, spoiling swimming, fishing and boating areas that are currently used by everyone for recreation. These industries would also then be able to exclude people from their areas. Secondly, they can ban ‘ordinary’ New Zealanders from vast areas of the beaches by claiming

Notice the words I have bolded. ‘can’, ‘may be able to’ etc. Now, tell me where these have actually been enforced, and how it has inhibited access for the ordinary non-Maori citizen. Please also define for me how that access restriction is any different from privately owned non-Maori beaches along the coast.

Spoiling swimming, fishing and boating areas is a bit of a laugh. Developers are equally culpable of such deeds and to suggest that Maori, of all people, would seek to spoil a fishing area is actually beyond laughable.

Your next statement:

when it is Maori that have been dragging up the past, and re-writing it to suit their cause, for decades in order to extort money and property from the rest of us!

That’s a pretty big assertion to make without any evidence present. You have, however, confirmed my suspicions, again, that this is an anti-Maori front.

I don’t have to speak of our guiding principles when I am replying to you and your ridiculous comments, Buddy.

So when I first commented, you said “welcome to our courteous and reasoned debate” and now you’re calling my comments ridiculous. Hmmmm….

Surely you can see the answer here. It was Stephen O’Regan who brought reference to Nazi sympathizers into the public arena in regard to 1law4all. That is not propaganda to you? Who is demonizing who?

Suggesting that two wrongs do make a right – i.e. commentors on this site could drawn comparisons between Maori and Nazi because Stephen did it first.

The comment above, from Roger, summing up Stephen’s supposed statement is a right mash up. “It was rumored that he said this, no one reported it, but we know what he’s like so he musta dun it”. Imagine if our courts worked like that. And then I get attacked for not “accepting the facts”. Well there’s a big fat 0 number of facts in that last statement.

What do you think the official outcry would be if the police were to have a guide book…

The Maori dictionary thing – the example you give is racist and would deserve such punishment. What happened in this case was not. There are plenty of Maori policemen. You’ve wrongly implied that it is black versus white. It’s not.

The NZ Geographic Board is calling on submissions to back their wish to change the name of New Zealand, and/or the respective islands it comprises thereof

Nothing like a bit of hysteria. They are calling for submissions for alternate names for the islands. Nobody is forcing you to use them, or telling you that you must stop using “New Zealand” tomorrow.

There is disquiet because the board appointed to consider the matter is somewhat similar in appearance to the same racially stacked

This appears to be under consideration by the entire Board. Of which, there are several non-Maori names (although of course I don’t know their backgrounds). I don’t quite understand why you have just hand-picked out the Maori names from the line up.

The howling from the media was almost hysterical. They’ve reported, with what to me appears considerable and inappropriate glee, that she is now subject to a barrage of Maori language taunting and greetings

Howling? Rubbish! There was one newspaper article and that only appeared because it is Maori language week so it was topical. Being reported with “glee”? I doubt it.

Either way, kia ora is common use NZ language, it is part of our vernacular and part of one of the three official languages of the country. To suggest that you are “offended” by a greeting (she also alluded to being offended by Bonjour) does verge on the silly, pedantic, narrow mindedness.

If you are using this to suggest that Maori language is being forced on citizens – think again – she didn’t have to make a fuss, she could have just replied “Hello” and no one would have blinked a lid.