figured her entrenched position in the movement might be a mark against her. Now I see that's actually a requirement.

Not sure what you mean by that, She seems interesting, real old school feminist, which unfortunately means she's not really in line with some modern feminists, but this is where I start getting confused on who is mainstream and who is fringe :/https://www.google.com.au/search?rlz....0.1ruUvY-Rook

It's like that video of the cuttlefish mating... where there is a huge male cuttlefish scaring off the smaller male. So the smaller male acts like a chick to get close to the real female for a quickie. These guys are the same.

Nah, I'm trying to highlight that for a long time there was a considerable and real sexual domination of women by men that extended beyond an unwanted touch, and that this metoo movement is at the lighter, tail end of things.

If this was just a matter of unwanted sexual conduct like a grope or a suggestion then fine, it's all roughly equivocable.

#Metoo is more about men in power using that power and influence to convince women to do things that they would not do had the power and influence been taken off the table, right?

The fact is, had a guy done this to a woman (what she did to me) then there would be a universal support that he was a creepy ****. Maybe some spastics would argue she was 'putting out vibes', but they would generally be silenced. When you hear a guy be touched, all I hear is 'was she hot', or 'did you like it?', or 'i'd love to have a chick come up and grab my junk'. Stupid stuff that removes the fact it was unwanted from the equation.

Sure, she had no chance of physically overpowering me, so the threat of physical violence was gone; that doesn't remove the risk of her being mental and claiming I touched or molested her due to the rejection.

Not sure what you're on about Gar, you understood and provided a good answer for the question..
CODC, if it was worded so ambiguously that you interpreted it as "what do normal, egalitarian people believe?" Then I apologise, but see Gar's answers for an example of what I was looking for.

I would think it's very obvious that some feminists hate men, even mainstream ones. Look at the old favourite Clem Ford as a good example of hate getting published by mainstream news.

My point exactly, It's becoming increasingly hard to tell from an outside perspective if the fringe elements are a loud minority or now the mainstream. If Stuff was your only source of feminist written pieces you'd be well forgiven for thinking the latter is true. Interestingly this just came up in my feed where it seems another rational sounding older-school feminist named Margaret Atwood has also been shunned by feminist groups, so is she mainstream as I would have thought, or have the positions actually switched and she's now the fringe to the likes of Clementine Ford style mainstreamers? :| https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...ticle37591823/

My point exactly, It's becoming increasingly hard to tell from an outside perspective if the fringe elements are a loud minority or now the mainstream. If Stuff was your only source of feminist written pieces you'd be well forgiven for thinking the latter is true. Interestingly this just came up in my feed where it seems another rational sounding older-school feminist named Margaret Atwood has also been shunned by feminist groups, so is she mainstream as I would have thought, or have the positions actually switched and she's now the fringe to the likes of Clementine Ford style mainstreamers? :| https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...ticle37591823/

theres always been extremist feminists. Look at solanas and mary daly for your super cool 'rational old school feminsts'.

Stuff writes extremist feminist literature? is this a joke? lmao link me something that you define as that please.

tuff writes extremist feminist literature? is this a joke? lmao link me something that you define as that please.

I specifically mentioned SMH/Stuff's regular "feminist writer" is Clementine Ford, who sounds like a wonderfulhumanbeing, and I would hope is considered "fringe", but having such a platform lends such views legitimacy, which as I said, anyone who didn't know about the likes more rational sorts like Germaine Greer (as I didn't) could be lead to think that's the normal view..