Clive Bundy is making his stand against our authoritarian government keepers. If the Feds will do this to a peaceful rancher because of a fucking turtle, what will they do when things get really serious after the next financial collapse. We are all going to have to make a decision at some point to either roll over to these control freak power mongering douchebags or make a stand against their unwarranted imposition of authority by our keepers. Support Clive. There are phone numbers and email addresses below.

Hundreds of Armed Feds and Snipers Surround Nevada Cattle Ranchers Property: Is This the Next Ruby Ridge?

By: Jay SyrmopoulosApr 9, 2014

UPDATE: Strike teams of 15-20 agents are attempting to take the cattle and often in the process killing and burying the cattle in the desert. A group of roughly 100 peaceful protestors attempted to stop them and got in front of a convoy of agents in an attempt to call in the local sheriff as they perceived this as an illegal action. BLM agents began violently attacking the protestors, throwing women to the ground with a number of men being tazed. Agents ended up retreating after their initial attack. Protestors are awaiting and anticipating a more forceful response and requesting assistance from all freedom fighters/lovers in the SW U.S. and nationwide.

Clark County, Nev., April 9, 2014- Over the past two decades there has been an ongoing standoff between the U.S. federal government and a 67-year-old local Nevada cattle rancher named Cliven Bundy. This past week armed federal agents were deployed in what is a clear escalation in this ongoing feud.

Cliven Bundy, the last of the cattle ranchers in Clark County, refuses to comply with a court order from 2013 that orders him to remove his cattle from public land managed by the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) a division of the U.S. Department of the Interior.

The BLM and the U.S National Park Service claim that they are simply responding to Mr. Bundy’s refusal to comply with the order by calling in federal agents and contract cowboys to confiscate what they call Mr. Bundy’s “trespass cattle.” Thus far, they have impounded roughly 277 of Clive Bundy’s estimated 900 cattle.

The Bureau of Land Management claims on their website that the, “Cattle have been in trespass on public lands in southern Nevada for more than two decades. This is unfair to the thousands of other ranchers who graze livestock in compliance with federal laws and regulations throughout the West. The Bureau of Land Management and the National Park Service have made repeated attempts to resolve this matter administratively and judicially. An impoundment of cattle illegally grazing on public lands is now being conducted as a last resort.”

As reported by The Blaze, the ranchers wife Carol Cox says there now appears to be snipers stationed around the family’s 150-acre ranch.

Mr. Bundy, a lifelong rancher, compares the government escalation to actions that the government has taken in Ruby Ridge, ID and Waco, TX. He contends that the Gold Butte area has been used by his family since the late 1800’s and that he has preemptive rights to the land. Bundy claims that the Bureau of Land Management has clearly “overstepped its boundaries by not letting me access my rights, not recognizing state sovereignty, and having over 200 armed officers watching our every move and stealing our cattle.”

Mr. Bundy’s daughter Shiree Bundy Cox in a letter explains the feud from the family’s perspective:

“I have had people ask me to explain my dad’s stance on this BLM fight. Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here it s in a nut shell. My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972. These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the survival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars. The rights to the land use are called preemptive rights. Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the Bureau of Land Management.

They were supposed to assist the ranchers in the management of their ranges while the ranchers paid a yearly allotment which was to be use to pay the BLM wages and to help with repairs and improvements of the ranches. My dad did pay his grazing fees for years to the BLM until they were no longer using his fees to help him and to improve. Instead they began using these monies against the ranchers. They bought all the rest of the ranchers in the area out with they’re own grazing fees. When they offered to buy my dad out for a penance he said no thanks and then fired them because they weren’t doing their job. He quit paying the BLM and tried giving his grazing fees to the county, which they turned down. So my dad just went on running his ranch and making his own improvements with his own equipment and his own money, not taxes.

In essence the BLM was managing my dad out of business. Well when buying him out didn’t work, they used the endangered species card. You’ve already heard about the desert tortoise. Well that didn’t work either, so then began the threats and the court orders, which my dad has proven to be unlawful for all these years. Now they’re desperate. It’s come down to buying the brand inspector off and threatening the County Sheriff. Everything their doing at this point is illegal and totally against the Constitution of the United States of America. Then there’s the issue of the cattle that are at this moment being stolen. See even if dad hasn’t paid them, those cattle belong to him, regardless of where they are they are my father’s property.

His herd has been part of that range for over a hundred years, long before the BLM even existed. Now the Feds think they can just come in and remove them and sell them without a legal brand inspection or without my dad’s signature on it. They think they can take them over two borders, which is illegal, ask any trucker. Then they plan to take them to the Richfield Auction and sell them. All this with our tax money. They have paid off the contract cowboys and the auction owner as well as the Nevada brand inspector with our tax dollars. See how slick they are? Well, this is it in a nut shell. Thanks”

The government position is that Bundy owes them for grazing fees that he stopped paying in 1993, which he argued in court that he had no obligation to pay the agency, as his ancestors worked the land before the existence of the Bureau of Land Management. Subsequently, in 1998, the land was declared completely off limits to cattle as it was declared a designated habitat for the federally protected desert tortoise.

Although Cliven Bundy attempted to pay the county, they refused his payment. BLM spokeswoman Kirsten Cannon, says that “The estimated amount owed by him… totals $1.1 million.” Cost estimates for the cattles removal from the land are approximately $3 million dollars, which the taxpayer will be responsible for paying.

When Cannon was asked about the claim that snipers are on scene, she refused to confirm or deny the allegation saying, “There are law enforcement and other personnel in place as needed to ensure that the BLM and National Park Services employees and contractors are able to conduct the operation safely. Specific operations information regarding this impoundment will not be released.”

In addition to the heavily armed federal presence, the Bundy’s 37-year-old son Dave was arrested, “following failure to comply with multiple requests by BLM law enforcement to leave the temporary closure area on public lands,” stated Cannon. Dave Bundy was held overnight after being arrested for refusing to disperse and resisting issuance of a citation or arrest. He claims he was arrested and roughed up for filming federal agents while outside an area designated for First Amendment activity on the disputed land. Cannon was unable to explain why he was held overnight and refused to comment on the allegations of brutality.

Through it all, Cliven Bundy stands firm stating, “It’s a freedom issue. It’s not about cows. It’s a states rights issue. I really hope that we can learn to defend our liberties here and keep on fighting until the end. I don’t know when the end is going to be, but I believe that America is the greatest land in the world and it needs to be protected. Our rights and liberties need to be protected and we’re going to stand for that.”

For those that cannot travel to stand with them against this brutal regime of federal agents, there is quite a bit that can be done.

SHARE – Every story, every video of the confrontation needs to be shared far and wide, write about it, comment, email those that have not heard, post to Facebook groups, Twitter, and all the other social networking sites.

CALL – The Nevada Governor Brian Sandoval issued a statement of concern over the “free speech” area set up by the fedeal government, Rangers, BLM and other agents, but he hasn’t got off his behind to show up in support of Mr. Bundy….. call his office and express your outrage over what these terrorists in the US government are doing to him.

Call the Senator, the sherriff’s office, every media outlet you can think of that is NOT reporting this situation.

EMAIL: Follow up with emailing all of the above entities, encourage your friends and family to do the same.

Now is the time for a Revolution……. now is the moment we say enough…….not through violence, but with sheer numbers.

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Are Americans going to witness another Ruby Ridge? Another Waco? Tensions continue to escalate in Nevada as longtime rancher Cliven Bundy and the federal government face off. While Bundy holds strong against the federal government, federal authorities have converged with a show of force eerily reminiscent of the overzealousness found in the sieges on Ruby Ridge and Waco decades earlier.

Federal authorities and Mr. Bundy have been in a dispute for some 20 years over the grazing of his cattle. The 600,000 acre land that Bundy uses to graze his cattle is claimed by the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and the area has been off-limits to grazing since 1998.

However, Bundy maintains that the arbitrary rule was designed to run ranchers like him out of business and notes that his father’s cattle grazed on the land and his father’s cattle grazed, too.

“We own this land,” he said, not the federal government. Bundy claimed that he is willing to pay grazing fees but to the county, not BLM.

“Years ago, I used to have 52 neighboring ranchers,” he said. “I’m the last man standing. How come? Because BLM regulated these people off the land and out of business.”

“I have raised cattle on that land, which is public land for the people of Clark County, all my life. Why I raise cattle there and why I can raise cattle there is because I have preemptive rights,” he said, explaining that that includes the right to forage.

“Who is the trespasser here? Who is the trespasser on this land? Is the United States trespassing on Clark County, Nevada, land? Or is it Cliven Bundy who is trespassing on Clark County, Nevada, land? Who’s the trespasser?”

Bundy claims that his family has been working the land since the 1880’s and that the federal government has no right to kick him or his cattle off the land.

But that’s exactly what they’ve done…

Last weekend, federal authorities descended upon the rancher’s home and began seizing Bundy’s cattle. BLM is considering auctioning off the seized cattle.

The show of force was an affirmation of government’s militancy as the siege included tons of armed agents, SUVs, helicopters and snipers. Bundy’s son, Dave, was arrested in an altercation with the federal agents when he tried to film the agents’ actions outside a zone designated as a “First Amendment zone.”

A BLM spokesman claimed that Dave Bundy was arrested “following failure to comply with multiple requests by BLM law enforcement to leave the temporary closure area on public lands.”

Speaking with Fox News about past confrontations with federal authorities, like the stand-off at Ruby Ridge where agents laid siege to a family’s home for days and where snipers killed Randy Weaver’s wife and son, Bundy admitted, “Yeah, there’s a little fear in me. They’re definitely set up to do that.”

The federal government and Bundy have been in dispute for decades over the area known as Gold Butte. While the Bundy family long paid grazing fees, they stopped in 1993, claiming that they had been working the land since the 1880’s and that the money should go to Nevada, not the federal government.

The Clark County Sheriff’s Office has declined to get involved in the stand-off, allowing federal authorities to duke it out with the fiery rancher.

Bundy has been clear that the issue is not about cattle, but about the right of the federal government to dictate what will happen in states.

“It’s a freedom issue. It’s not about cows. It’s a state rights issue. I really hope that we can learn and defend our liberties here and keep on fighting until the end,” Bundy said. “I don’t when the end is going to be, but I believe that America is the greatest land in the world and it needs to be protected.”

“Our rights and liberties need to be protected and we’re going to stand for that,” he added.

Once upon a time, those who claimed that the government would try to infringe upon our Second Amendment rights were called crazy. Those that thought the IRS was targeting political groups, those that thought the government was spying on them- all were derided at times for these seemingly far-fetched beliefs. They were the ramblings of the tinfoil-hat-adorned who feared the black helicopters and federal snipers.

However, this government remains hostile to Second Amendment liberties; they have targeted political groups; they have been spying on citizens. Now, Cliven Bundy awakens each morning to low-flying helicopters, perched snipers and overbearing federal agents who remind him that the First Amendment exists only in specially-outlined areas.

LAS VEGAS — A Republican U.S. senator added his voice Wednesday to critics of a federal cattle roundup fought by a Nevada rancher who claims longstanding grazing rights on remote public rangeland about 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas

Sen. Dean Heller of Nevada said he told new U.S. Bureau of Land Management chief Neil Kornze in Washington, D.C., that law-abiding Nevadans shouldn’t be penalized by an “overreaching” agency.

Republican Gov. Brian Sandoval pointed earlier to what he called “an atmosphere of intimidation,” resulting from the roundup and said he believed constitutional rights were being trampled.

Heller said he heard from local officials, residents and the Nevada Cattlemen’s Association and remained “extremely concerned about the size of this closure and disruptions with access to roads, water and electrical infrastructure.”

The federal government has shut down a scenic but windswept area about half the size of the state of Delaware to round up about 900 cattle it says are trespassing.

BLM and National Park Service officials didn’t immediately respond Wednesday to criticisms of the roundup that started Saturday and prompted the closure of the 1,200-square-mile area through May 12.

It’s seen by some as the latest battle over state and federal land rights in a state with deep roots in those disputes, including the Sagebrush Rebellion of the 1970s and ’80s. Nevada, where various federal agencies manage or control more than 80 percent of the land, is among several Western states where ranchers have challenged federal land ownership.

The current showdown pits rancher Cliven Bundy’s claims of ancestral rights to graze his cows on open range against federal claims that the cattle are trespassing on arid and fragile habitat of the endangered desert tortoise. Bundy has said he owns about 500 branded cattle on the range and claims the other 400 targeted for roundup are his, too.

BLM and Park Service officials see threats in Bundy’s promise to “do whatever it takes” to protect his property and in his characterization that the dispute constitutes a “range war.”

U.S. Rep. Steven Horsford, D-Las Vegas, noted that BLM officials were enforcing federal court orders that Bundy remove his animals. The legal battle has been waged for decades.

Kornze, the new BLM chief, is familiar with the area. He’s a natural resource manager who grew up in Elko, Nev., and served previously as a senior adviser to Senate Democratic Majority Leader Harry Reid.

Reid aide Kristen Orthman said her boss “hopes the trespassing cattle are rounded up safely so the issue can be resolved.”

Sandoval, a former state attorney general and federal district court judge, weighed in late Tuesday after several days of media coverage about blocked roads and armed federal agents fanning out around Bundy’s ranch while contractors using helicopters and vehicles herd cows into portable pens in rugged and remote areas.

“No cow justifies the atmosphere of intimidation which currently exists nor the limitation of constitutional rights that are sacred to all Nevadans,” the governor said in a statement.

Sandoval said he was most offended that armed federal officials have tried to corral people protesting the roundup into a fenced-in “First Amendment area” south of the resort city of Mesquite.

The site “tramples upon Nevadans’ fundamental rights under the U.S. Constitution” and should be dismantled, Sandoval said.

BLM spokeswoman Kirsten Cannon and Park Service spokeswoman Christie Vanover have told reporters during daily conference calls that free-speech areas were established so agents could ensure the safety of contractors, protesters, the rancher and his supporters.

The dispute between Bundy and the federal government dates to 1993, when land managers cited concern for the federally protected tortoise and capped his herd at 150 animals on a 250-square-mile rangeland allotment. Officials later revoked Bundy’s grazing rights completely.

Cannon said Bundy racked up more than $1.1 million in unpaid grazing fees over the years while disregarding several court orders to remove his animals.

Bundy estimates the unpaid fees total about $300,000. He notes that his Mormon family’s 19th century melon farm and ranch operation in surrounding areas predates creation of the BLM in 1946.

Since the cattle roundup began Saturday, there has been one arrest.

Bundy’s son, Dave Bundy, 37, was taken into custody Sunday as he watched the roundup from State Route 170. He was released Monday with bruises on his face and a citation accusing him of refusing to disperse and resisting arrest. A court date has not been set.

His mother, Carol Bundy, alleged that her son was roughed up by BLM police.

Meanwhile, federal officials say 277 cows have been collected. Cannon said state veterinarian and brand identification officials will determine what becomes of the impounded cattle.

If the Feds will do this to a peaceful rancher because of a fucking turtle, what will they do when things get really serious after the next financial collapse?

They will shoot you, then put your corpse in the FEMA plastic coffins they’ve been stockpiling.

They are treating this guy like they’ve been treating the poor & minorities since, well, since forever. But, people glossed that over as long as it wasn’t them. I hear that from people every day. “Those people deserve it, they commit all the crimes”. Actually, “those” people commit the petty crimes but disproportionately do all the jail time. I’ve seen guys do life for 3 strikes & it was weed charges 3 times. That’s inhumane.

It’s the real rich…& everyone else. Everyone else is a lot of people, but disorganized. They are afraid of that, so the NSA listens to everything Americans say. Anyone who gives the People hope has their votes stolen from them & is marginalized by their minions in the media (a la Ron Paul), set up, or is assassinated (JFK, MLK Jr., etc.)

One of the great tragedies in all of this is the cooperation of the contract cowboys. I would think the only thing the government could do without them is shoot the cattle, which I have no doubt they would. These must be neighbors and fellow Nevadans, and yet far from the cowboy spirit they join in the federal roundup for a few bucks. Their neighbors should shun them and their families. As many have stated here be careful of who your neighbors are.
Bob.

I may fuck with Stucky, AWD, & way before the Admin (man was he angry, even banned me, musta hit a main artery), but when it boils down to it, I’d stand with all of U instead of the 1%, the Wall Streeters, politicians, bankers…

I know who my real enemies are, but that doesn’t mean a good jab at the non-enemies isn’t fun!

” Regarding the cattleman in Nevada: I would strongly discourage you all from hitching your cart to this particular horse. While I have all manner of criticisms of the BLM and certainly of thuggish FEDGOV tactics, it is essential that one pick one’s battles very carefully, and this is NOT a good battle to pick. The guy in question has been grazing his cattle at essentially zero feed cost for upwards of twenty years (well, THAT makes the cattle business easier, doesn’t it!) because he stopped paying the BLM any lease charges. Again, we can debate all manner of things including the ridiculous rules about closing land to grazing in order to “protect” lizards or prairie chickens or whatever the fake “endangered species” du jour is, and certainly we can debate the existence of the BLM itself, but there is no free lunch; everyone else pays to graze. This guy is claiming, as I understand it, some grandfathered right to the land through the Mormon cult (again, BIG red flag), but I don’t buy it. This situation stinks all around to my refined sniffer, and I would NOT die on this hill. Since so many have asked, that is my read. Just be careful with this one.”

She’s a dangerously avid Pope lover. The Catholic religion defines her life. So, read between the lines. It’s not difficult. Here …… ” the Mormon cult (again, BIG red flag),”. You see, if Clive Bundy was Catholic she’d be all over this like stink on shit.

Also, what the goddamnfuk is a “refined sniffer,” … and why does it stink? Ummm, hey, Anne …

so they tax them to provide a service, then instead of working for the customer they use the money to buy weapons and hire mercenaries. that way they can buy your property from you with your own money or use the paramilitary force you funded to steal your property from you.

in a nutshell, that is the US today.

the fracking angle makes a lot of sense.
maybe the govt jsut got confused, they were in a desert area so they were following their instincts, threatening to kill indigenous people for natural resources.

First-hand account from someone who is there, and seemingly knows a great deal. Copy and pasted from the link provided by MacGhil.

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Nevada is over 90% federal land.

When the state was carved out right at the end of the civil war, Lincoln, (the worst constitutional president in our history prior to the current one) made sure that all the states entering would bow down to the the fed and our state constitution and the great amount of federal land reflects that.

Since most of the state is desert, ranchers have always had to use tremendous acreage to feed cattle here. Our state was brought into the union around 1865. Prior to that, and after that, up till 1934 ranchers had legal free reign to graze cattle with no restrictions. This was called forage rights.

In the 1930’s the ranchers had arguments between themselves regarding territories. So a few of the larger ones got together and asked the fed if they could hire them, by paying minimal fees to “manage” the land and break it out into sections. This was made into the Taylor Grazing Act of 1934.

The fees are minimal. $1.74 per cow & calf per month. Ranchers had no problem paying that just to have disagreements settled.

Ranchers were also required to secure water rights and maintain and make improvements on the land. Mr. Bundy and his predecessors have always done that. No one is arguing that fact.

Bundy’s ranch was established in 1877. His family purchased it later, in the 1880’s. But when they did, they had to PAY for the water and forage rights.

After the 1934 act they continued to pay grazing fees and make improvements up until the 1990’s.

Somewhere along the way the Bureau of Land Management was created. I don’t know what year.

Around 1990 or so they told him that he could no longer graze more than 150 of his 600 or so head of cattle there.

He told them to pound sand and kept paying his fees and grazing his cattle.

Around 1994 they told him he could only graze them in the summer, fall and winter and said it was so that the cattle didn’t disturb the Desert Tortoise. (more on that later)

He told them that they were HIRED by the Taylor Grazing act to MANAGE the land for the ranchers. So he FIRED them and started paying his fees to to the state of Nevada. Soon they didn’t know where to put it so they quit taking payments.

Meanwhile they came at him from another angle. When they saw they weren’t going to be able to force him off the land the BLM SOLD the rights to the land to the state of Nevada under the condition that the state RETIRE the grazing rights permanently. Nevada legislators, being idiots, did their bidding. That was around 1996 or so.

But the state left him alone and let him forage all those years.

A few years ago, due to Agenda 21, Ranchers around the nation were being shut down and either bought out (with a program that paid them a lump sum of YOUR taxpayer funds in exchange for quitting ranching.

A lot of them did. The program was touted as “optional” but they intimidated the ranchers with lawsuits ranging from environmental concerns to water concerns to endangered species.

Before all this there were 50 ranchers in Clark County Nevada. Now there is one. Cliven Bundy.

For 20 years they tried to remove another rancher, Mr Hage, from a neighboring county. The sheriff of that county came to his aid and told the feds to screw off. They threatened the sheriff with a swat team and he told them to bring it on, he had his own swat team. The feds screwed up with Mr Hage though. They made it a water rights issue and after 20 years, about a year after he died, they lost in court.

Now they don’t play the water rights card anymore because it is too cut and dry. They now play the environmental card because they can make up the rules and change them whenever they like.

This is what they have done with Bundy. Everytime he gets where he can win, they change the laws and he loses in court.

So now it is about the Desert Tortoise. This is an animal the BLM had a habitat for, but when they ran out of money to run the habitat they slaughtered 1800 of them. Miraculously they now claim they have mysteriously found 3 million dollars that they are paying to round up and steal Bundy’s cattle. They are paying the slimy for hire private cowboys 1 million of that.

So now they have a court order to take his cattle and auction them.

The sheriffs of nearby counties have stated that they will stop them along the way and make them produce a signed agreement from Bundy or they will confiscate the cattle and give them back. That only leaves them one route out, straight down through Clark County to Arizona or California. I believe they are already auctioning off any of the ones they found that were not branded even though it is common knowledge they are his because he is the only rancher there. There isn’t much the sheriffs can do about that.

When this happened in neighboring counties and in other states the sheriffs backed the ranchers up. Our Sheriff is a spineless puss of a half-man and refuses to get involved. I assume the only way he will get involved is if he hears the BLM rangers shooting civilians and sends his guys up to help out of jealousy of all the fun they are having. We have the most corrupt and worthless police department in the country.

To make matters worse, I spoke to the lesser of two evils running for Sheriff this time around yesterday at a luncheon and asked him why they weren’t helping. He answered that from his understanding Bundy was just a guy who wouldn’t pay his fees and he didn’t think they should get involved. He knew nothing of the Taylor Grazing act or any of the history of Bundy’s rights to graze. Great, replacing a worthless bag of skin for sheriff with another worthless bag of skin. We can’t win.

So now they are using helicopters to round up his cattle and try to take them to auction. He claims he has about 500 head, they say 900. Probably because they don’t know that the Taylor Grazing act counts a cow and a calf as one head. They are stressing the cattle and some of them are dying in the chase. That is why they brought in backhoes and dump trucks.

The people in the video above were trying to block them on private land before they got to public lands and were tazed and thrown to the ground.

The BLM has set up “free speech zones” for people to protest. Two 50×50 pig pens for them to stand in. But they can only use one of them at a time.

Bundy’s son was arrested day before yesterday when he pulled over on a STATE road where he could see the valley and take pictures of the way they were treating the cattle.

They threw him down to the ground, ground his head in the dirt with their boots, and took him to Henderson jail, then to the federal building. Eventually they gave him a ticket for protesting outside the “free speech zone” and “resisting arrest”. They let him go 80 miles away in Las Vegas with no money. He had a credit card which he used to trade some gas at a gas station for use of a lady’s cell phone, to get someone to pick him up.

Yesterday they arrested a few more protesters for being outside the “free speech zone”.

Militias from all over the nation are being called up to come to Nevada. People are flying and driving in from everywhere. This is the first time in our history where men from all over the country have been willing to come together to fight against the federal government. If this had happened at Waco, our entire country would be different today.

Politicians are afraid to say much. The republicans don’t want to say anything because he lost in federal court and that’s all that matters to those scumbags. The Democrats don’t care so much about the courts as they lavish in the idea that a fat rich rancher and destroyer of the environment is getting what he deserves.

The libertarians are all that’s left. And he has a LOT of support from Sheriffs and Oath Keepers. (other than our bag of skin)

The bottom line is the Feds want all ranching stopped. They are doing it on federal lands first, then will do it on private lands based on the new definitions in the clean water act. It’s an Agenda 21 implementation. It wouldn’t matter if he paid fees from here to kingdom come, they want him shut down and they will try any angle they can. He stated that after reading their plans to retire all the land for grazing he refused to finance his own demise by giving them fees. I’m with him 100%. And apparently so are thousands of others willing to come here.

Let me see if I have this correct. The BLM (GOV) has created a small corral out in the middle of nowhere (desert), and within this corral they will allow free speech, but anywhere outside their corral no one has any free speech rights.

It would be awesome is several thousand militia men showed up and surrounded the Federal Nazis. It would be good for this country to have a massive battle there. Blood will have to be spilled for this country, from Patriots fighting the cancerous Federal government. It would wake up boobus obesus Americanus, it would galvanize the anger and hatred of Obama and the government. We are going to have to take back this country from the liberal progressive fascists; it’s not going to happen by itself. A war is coming, one way or another. We are going to have to fight, or else live like slaves at the feet of the fascist government. Remember the Alamo!

It is not about the turtle – it is about Harry Reid and his son, involved with a Chinese company that wants to put a wind/solar farm on the property (this was in AP, Reuters, etc) The land has already been ceded to the firm/Chinese, and they have wanted to get this land for several years. This is about corporate fascism and the corruption of Harry Reid, the BLM and the rest of the Federal Government. The head of the BLM was a staffer for Harry Reid. This is all about the corruption, treachery, malfeasance and treason of the thug Agents of th BLM under corporate/banking/fascist influence and control. There are also indications of other corrupt corporate influences as well.

What I would like to know and no one has asked this question. Why the fuck does the Bureau of land management have 200 well trained agents with automatic weapons and helicopters? Seriously people open your eyes if the blm has this kind of force then what comes next. We the people its time to take a stand let’s help clive bundy and his family. You never know it might be your home they come for next.

Oboma sits back laughing at just another one of his masterful accomplishments in attempted to divide this once great country. He kicks this old hardworking generational selfmade man & farmer & his Families between the legs, then turns his back & goes shopping for a pink shirt!!!????

Do a search for Joe Vogler (Constitutional scholar extra-ordinaire). As much as I admired and respected Joe, I thought the conspiracy theories about his demise defied reason. Not anymore. FYI, per Joe’s instructions, his remains are interred in Yukon Terroritories, Canada. He would not allow his remains to stay in the USSA.

I’ve literally been up for about 5 hrs now researching everything I can about this story. I’m telling you people, the BLM hasn’t backed down.They are just regrouping! The Feds have never just walked away and called it quits! Why do I care so much? Because this could be you or I or our neighbors. Our Federal Government is Domestic Terrorists and need to be stopped NOW! I pray I’m wrong but I have an uneasy gut feeling that we’re about to witness another Ruby Ridge and that my friends scares the Hell out of me and it should do the same to you! I for one won’t idly stand by…Would love to plan a trip to NV to help join the fight! We can’t stand by and watch this terrorist attack happen on American Soil happen before our eyes. Please share this story with your family and friends. Education is key!

//Mr. Bundy’s daughter Shiree Bundy Cox in a letter explains the feud from the family’s perspective:

“I have had people ask me to explain my dad’s stance on this BLM fight. Here it is in as simple of terms as I can explain it. There is so much to it, but here it s in a nut shell. My great grandpa bought the rights to the Bunkerville allotment back in 1887 around there. Then he sold them to my grandpa who then turned them over to my dad in 1972. These men bought and paid for their rights to the range and also built waters, fences and roads to assure the survival of their cattle, all with their own money, not with tax dollars. The rights to the land use are called preemptive rights. Some where down the line, to keep the cows from over grazing, came the Bureau of Land Management. //

History, huh? Funny how the Bundy family uses history to justify their taking of land which does not belong to them. And you folks are saying WHAT? If you REALLY want to know who owned this land, you need to go back to 1847, when James Polk was president:

James K. Polk
11th U.S. President
James Knox Polk was the 11th President of the United States. Polk was born in Mecklenburg County, North Carolina. He later lived in and represented Tennessee. Wikipedia
Born: November 2, 1795, Pineville, NC
Died: June 15, 1849, Nashville, TN
Presidential term: March 4, 1845 – March 4, 1849
Spouse: Sarah Childress Polk (m. 1824)
Education: University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill (1816–1818)
Siblings: William Hawkins Polk

Mexican-American War, also called Mexican War, Spanish Guerra de 1847 or Guerra de Estados Unidos a Mexico (“War of the United States Against Mexico”), war between the United States and Mexico (April 1846–February 1848) stemming from the United States’ annexation of Texas in 1845 and from a dispute over whether Texas ended at the Nueces River (Mexican claim) or the Rio Grande (U.S. claim). The war—in which U.S. forces were consistently victorious—resulted in the United States’ acquisition of more than 500,000 square miles (1,300,000 square km) of Mexican territory extending westward from the Rio Grande to the Pacific Ocean.

Mexico severed relations with the United States in March 1845, shortly after the U.S. annexation of Texas. In September President James K. Polk sent John Slidell on a secret mission to Mexico City to negotiate the disputed Texas border, settle U.S. claims against Mexico, and purchase New Mexico and California for up to $30 million. Mexican President José Joaquín Herrera, aware in advance of Slidell’s intention of dismembering his country, refused to receive him. When Polk learned of the snub, he ordered troops under General Zachary Taylor to occupy the disputed area between the Nueces and the Rio Grande (January 1846).

On May 9, 1846, Polk began to prepare a war message to Congress, justifying hostilities on the grounds of Mexican refusal to pay American claims and its refusal to negotiate with Slidell. That evening he received word that Mexican troops had crossed the Rio Grande on April 25 and attacked Taylor’s troops, killing or injuring 16 of them. In his quickly revised war message—delivered to Congress on May 11—Polk claimed that Mexico had “invaded our territory and shed American blood on American soil.”

Congress overwhelmingly approved a declaration of war on May 13, but the United States entered the war divided. Democrats, especially those in the Southwest, strongly favoured the conflict. Most Whigs viewed Polk’s motives as conscienceless land grabbing. And abolitionists saw the war as an attempt by the slave states to extend slavery and enhance their power when additional slave states were created out of the soon-to-be-acquired Mexican lands.

Following its original plan for the war, the United States sent its army on the Rio Grande, under Taylor, to invade the heart of Mexico while a second force, under Colonel Stephen Kearny, was to occupy New Mexico and California. Kearny’s campaign into New Mexico and California encountered little resistance, and the residents of both provinces appeared to accept American occupation with a minimum of resentment. Meanwhile, Taylor’s army fought several battles south of the Rio Grande, captured the important city of Monterrey, and defeated a major Mexican force at the Battle of Buena Vista in February 1847. But Taylor showed no enthusiasm for a major invasion of Mexico, and on several occasions he failed to pursue the Mexicans vigorously after defeating them. In disgust, Polk revised his war strategy. He ordered General Winfield Scott to take an army by sea to Veracruz, capture that key seaport, and march inland to Mexico City. Scott took Veracruz in March after a siege of three weeks and began the march to Mexico City. Despite some Mexican resistance, Scott’s campaign was marked by an unbroken series of victories, and he entered Mexico City on September 14, 1847. The fall of the Mexican capital ended the military phase of the conflict.

//Polk had assigned Nicholas Trist, chief clerk in the State Department, to accompany Scott’s forces and to negotiate a peace treaty. But after a long delay in the formation of a new Mexican government capable of negotiations, Polk grew impatient and recalled Trist. Trist, however, disobeyed his instructions and on February 2, 1848, signed the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. According to the treaty, which was subsequently ratified by both national congresses, Mexico ceded to the United States nearly all the territory now included in the states of New Mexico, Utah, Nevada, Arizona, California, Texas, and western Colorado for $15 million and U.S. assumption of its citizens’ claims against Mexico.//

So the true owner of the land is NOT the Bundy Family but the Mexican Americans whose lands were stolen by BIG government. So no, the land does not belong to the Clive family, it belongs to Mexico. But since Mexico is not a part o the U.S. and this is on U.S. property, hthe land then belongs to the Mexican Americans who decided to remain on this side of the border…sorry folks, you’re rooting for the wrong people.