How do the various OO usually receive EO into their Churches? Are there individual Church-wide policies or is it more local (e.g. as per bishop or diocese)?

The Church in India receives them (theoretically...it's not like we're overrun with EO) via confession. IIRC, in addition to the canons of St Severus of Antioch, there is an official Synod resolution to this effect ca. 1980's.

Mor Ephrem is a nice guy. Just say sorry and it will all be ok. Say I had things that were inside troubling me but I didn't know how to express appropriately. I will not behave that way again but I am seeking help.

Mor Ephrem is a nice guy. Just say sorry and it will all be ok. Say I had things that were inside troubling me but I didn't know how to express appropriately. I will not behave that way again but I am seeking help.

How do the various OO usually receive EO into their Churches? Are there individual Church-wide policies or is it more local (e.g. as per bishop or diocese)?

The Church in India receives them (theoretically...it's not like we're overrun with EO) via confession. IIRC, in addition to the canons of St Severus of Antioch, there is an official Synod resolution to this effect ca. 1980's.

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And I'm just curious, but are there any OO's on here that were EO?

Not me.

Interesting, so when one is received via confession, it's the sacrament of confession right? Or a confession of faith (I.e. the creed)?

A few decades ago it was baptism. Currently it is chrismation. But its common to commune them as visiting EO before confirming them to make them members of the Coptic Church. Seems pretty confused and inconsistent to me. Apparently now the policy is shifting to receiving by confession (and not confessing anything about councils or saints as far as i can tell... Just basically the same as anyone, confession before communion), but there isn't an official uniform policy from the synod.

They said that you are Baptised into a faith, and since we're not in communion over a matter of faith (chalcedon) they are different baptisms into different faiths. So not saying EO are unbaptised, but it is a different baptism. I'll stick with the creed's one baptism into one church. Christ isn't a polygamist

How do the various OO usually receive EO into their Churches? Are there individual Church-wide policies or is it more local (e.g. as per bishop or diocese)?

The Church in India receives them (theoretically...it's not like we're overrun with EO) via confession. IIRC, in addition to the canons of St Severus of Antioch, there is an official Synod resolution to this effect ca. 1980's.

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And I'm just curious, but are there any OO's on here that were EO?

Not me.

Interesting, so when one is received via confession, it's the sacrament of confession right? Or a confession of faith (I.e. the creed)?

It is the sacrament of Confession. But technically, every celebration of the sacrament of Confession involves a profession of faith. The specific formula recited before the confession of sins includes the following (there's a typo, but I will leave it as is):

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I confess to God the Father Almighty, and to His beloved Son, Jesus Christ, and to the Holy Spirit, in the presence of our Lady the Virgin, ever sacred in her virginity, and all the holy angels, of Michael, of Gabriel, both chief of angels, and St. John the Baptist, of the holy apostles St. Peter and St. Paul, the twenty-four prophets, the twelve apostles, the four evangelists and the seventy-two sent forth.

I confess the holy faith of the three Ecumenical Councils of Nicaea, Constantinople and Ephesus in the most noble priesthood ascribed unto You, Father Priest, by which You loose and bind.

I have sinned through all my senses, both inwardly and outwardly, in word, in deed and in thought. My sin is great, very great, and I repent of it most sincerely, purposing not to fall again into the same ever, preferring death rather than embrace sin. And I ask you, by the authority of the sacred priesthood, that you absolve me and forgive, asking God to pardon me through His grace. Amen.

Mor Ephrem is a nice guy. Just say sorry and it will all be ok. Say I had things that were inside troubling me but I didn't know how to express appropriately. I will not behave that way again but I am seeking help.

It is the sacrament of Confession. But technically, every celebration of the sacrament of Confession involves a profession of faith. The specific formula recited before the confession of sins includes the following (there's a typo, but I will leave it as is):

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I confess to God the Father Almighty, and to His beloved Son, Jesus Christ, and to the Holy Spirit, in the presence of our Lady the Virgin, ever sacred in her virginity, and all the holy angels, of Michael, of Gabriel, both chief of angels, and St. John the Baptist, of the holy apostles St. Peter and St. Paul, the twenty-four prophets, the twelve apostles, the four evangelists and the seventy-two sent forth.

I confess the holy faith of the three Ecumenical Councils of Nicaea, Constantinople and Ephesus in the most noble priesthood ascribed unto You, Father Priest, by which You loose and bind.

I have sinned through all my senses, both inwardly and outwardly, in word, in deed and in thought. My sin is great, very great, and I repent of it most sincerely, purposing not to fall again into the same ever, preferring death rather than embrace sin. And I ask you, by the authority of the sacred priesthood, that you absolve me and forgive, asking God to pardon me through His grace. Amen.

Additionally, the Nicene Creed is an indispensable element in every liturgical rite and prayer.

Pretty neat, thanks. Is that pretty standard in the Syriac tradition? I only ask because I've never actually had a priest tell me to do what I've seen in any of the variations of Confession in EO prayerbooks.

I wonder how that compares to the other traditions that would receive by Confession.

IIRC we had a thread about some EO priest switcing to some OO church. I don't remember specifics. IIRC he viewed it just as a change of jurisdiction instead of switching to another church.

Yes! That was HG Bishop Sourial of Melbourne, Australia. No chrismation was done or ordination. Just revesting. The priest was from the Serbian Orthodox Church.

I know a priest who was received by baptism a long time ago. Seen another priest received by chrismation. And seen laity received by confession. Hearing you describe a priest received by confession sounds very good to me.

I'm with the camp of 13 million Americans that believe politicians are, or are controlled by, Reptilians. I think only monks can solve this problem. It doesn't seem right that they prefer to ignore it.

It is the sacrament of Confession. But technically, every celebration of the sacrament of Confession involves a profession of faith. The specific formula recited before the confession of sins includes the following (there's a typo, but I will leave it as is):

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I confess to God the Father Almighty, and to His beloved Son, Jesus Christ, and to the Holy Spirit, in the presence of our Lady the Virgin, ever sacred in her virginity, and all the holy angels, of Michael, of Gabriel, both chief of angels, and St. John the Baptist, of the holy apostles St. Peter and St. Paul, the twenty-four prophets, the twelve apostles, the four evangelists and the seventy-two sent forth.

I confess the holy faith of the three Ecumenical Councils of Nicaea, Constantinople and Ephesus in the most noble priesthood ascribed unto You, Father Priest, by which You loose and bind.

I have sinned through all my senses, both inwardly and outwardly, in word, in deed and in thought. My sin is great, very great, and I repent of it most sincerely, purposing not to fall again into the same ever, preferring death rather than embrace sin. And I ask you, by the authority of the sacred priesthood, that you absolve me and forgive, asking God to pardon me through His grace. Amen.

Additionally, the Nicene Creed is an indispensable element in every liturgical rite and prayer.

Pretty neat, thanks. Is that pretty standard in the Syriac tradition? I only ask because I've never actually had a priest tell me to do what I've seen in any of the variations of Confession in EO prayerbooks.

I wonder how that compares to the other traditions that would receive by Confession.

Yes, I'd like to know more about this.

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Pretty neat, thanks. Is that pretty standard in the Syriac tradition? I only ask because I've never actually had a priest tell me to do what I've seen in any of the variations of Confession in EO prayerbooks.

In my experience, it varies. "Older" priests tend to make the confessional experience into a sort of sacramental chat: some encouraging words, confession of and discussion of sins and related issues, followed by the assigning of a penance if deemed beneficial and ending with absolution. "Newer' priests tend to do all this, but will still have you recite the ritual formulae. Most of my recent confessions have been conducted in this way.

Again, this is reflective of my experience with Indian practice. I don't know how the Middle Eastern communities do things.

Mor Ephrem is a nice guy. Just say sorry and it will all be ok. Say I had things that were inside troubling me but I didn't know how to express appropriately. I will not behave that way again but I am seeking help.

IIRC we had a thread about some EO priest switcing to some OO church. I don't remember specifics. IIRC he viewed it just as a change of jurisdiction instead of switching to another church.

Yes! That was HG Bishop Sourial of Melbourne, Australia. No chrismation was done or ordination. Just revesting. The priest was from the Serbian Orthodox Church.

I know a priest who was received by baptism a long time ago. Seen another priest received by chrismation. And seen laity received by confession. Hearing you describe a priest received by confession sounds very good to me.

Hopefully we stop this whole re-baptize, re-chrismate, or re-ordain once and for all in these cases and follow the canons of Sts Timothy, Severus, and Theodosius.

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If the faith is unchanged and rock solid, then the gates of Hades never prevailed in the end.

How is an EO with a post-schism baptismal/Christian name and patron saint handled? Like if a female EO's name were Xenia after St. Xenia of Petersburg, what happens when they're received?

I don't think it matters terribly. IIRC, one of our Metropolitans is said to have taken the name Seraphim at his ordination because of his fondness for St Seraphim of Sarov, not because of his fondness for the angelic rank.

Mor Ephrem is a nice guy. Just say sorry and it will all be ok. Say I had things that were inside troubling me but I didn't know how to express appropriately. I will not behave that way again but I am seeking help.

Mor Ephrem is a nice guy. Just say sorry and it will all be ok. Say I had things that were inside troubling me but I didn't know how to express appropriately. I will not behave that way again but I am seeking help.

Mor Ephrem is a nice guy. Just say sorry and it will all be ok. Say I had things that were inside troubling me but I didn't know how to express appropriately. I will not behave that way again but I am seeking help.

Mor Ephrem is a nice guy. Just say sorry and it will all be ok. Say I had things that were inside troubling me but I didn't know how to express appropriately. I will not behave that way again but I am seeking help.

Mor Ephrem is a nice guy. Just say sorry and it will all be ok. Say I had things that were inside troubling me but I didn't know how to express appropriately. I will not behave that way again but I am seeking help.

I'm with the camp of 13 million Americans that believe politicians are, or are controlled by, Reptilians. I think only monks can solve this problem. It doesn't seem right that they prefer to ignore it.

If Mor Ephrem became EO and Nephi didn't want to go, would we have to send someone over to them? Sort of like a prisoner exchange? How about ialmisry? He already knows some of the culture/language involved, and he could teach them how to be unfriendly to Catholics.

If Mor Ephrem became EO and Nephi didn't want to go, would we have to send someone over to them? Sort of like a prisoner exchange? How about ialmisry? He already knows some of the culture/language involved, and he could teach them how to be unfriendly to Catholics.

I don't think it matters terribly. IIRC, one of our Metropolitans is said to have taken the name Seraphim at his ordination because of his fondness for St Seraphim of Sarov, not because of his fondness for the angelic rank.

Hey that's cool, and not because Seraphim is my baptismal name or anything.

Mor Ephrem is a nice guy. Just say sorry and it will all be ok. Say I had things that were inside troubling me but I didn't know how to express appropriately. I will not behave that way again but I am seeking help.

Mor Ephrem is a nice guy. Just say sorry and it will all be ok. Say I had things that were inside troubling me but I didn't know how to express appropriately. I will not behave that way again but I am seeking help.