Friday, November 23, 2012

how to hide your cache during a gun Confiscation

Pop quiz hot shot, you see the gun confiscation coming, what do you do chump, what..do..you..do? Quick, search online for hiding spots. Look, there's a post about using an old soda vending machine, yeah, that's brilliant, except, what if ATF put that online so they can easily find you cache of weaponry? Damn the government!

Yeah, searching online for ideas on where to hide things brings up some pretty good results. You'll find hidden drawers in drawers, hidden rooms behind book cases, even book cases right out of a 007 movie with hidden doors and drawers. These are all great ideas, except, the Gun Sniffing Canine. Yeah, he's a rat bastard for taking that job. You can hide things in the ground, but ground penetrating radar. You can hide things in the wall, but wall penetrating radar. Dammit, what do you do? That's what I'm about to tell you.

Is there a gun confiscation on the horizon? gun confiscation, meh, I don't see it, but for your educational entertainment, or would that be edutainment? Here's the plan, the government has all kinds of toys to find things, and those toys are pretty good, unless you confuse the toy or the operator.

Gun sniffing dogs. You can't run from a dog, you can't hide from a dog, until you confuse the dog, or it's handler. I'm sure you're wondering how a dog knows what a gun smells like, and Imagonna tell you. It's not the metal, or plastic that the gun is made out of, it's what the gun shoots. Gun sniffing dogs were first trained to sniff out burnt gun powder. Every firearm is test fired at the manufacturer, so now it smells like burnt gun powder, eventually, that smell could be cleaned off, so now dogs are trained to sniff out the combination of things that are used on guns. Burnt gun powder, cleaners, solvents, oils, etc. as a whole. It's the overall smell of firearms that dogs are trained to detect. Some dogs are good at it, some dogs are great at it, some dogs are just stupid and follow their handlers lead. The Fed Gov used to have a drug dog that had a affection for cheese. During searches, if you had a cheese sandwich in your automobile, the dog would alert and your automobile would be searched for drugs. Yeah, that's nasty, dirty, rotten cheating right there. There was another dog that liked the smell of gasoline and would alert to the gas cap. Both dogs would alert to drugs as well, but cheesy and gassy (that's not their real names) would also give false alerts. The handlers finally realized the error of the ways of the canines. I don't know what happened to those dogs, hopefully they retired early and are someone's pet.
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How do we confuse a dog or it's handler? 1. We get a .22 riffle and a couple thousand rounds of ammo. 2. Clean the gun, shoot some rounds, collect the brass. 3. repeat number 2 until your ammo is used up. When you clean the rifle, you're putting those gun smells on the gun. When you shoot the rifle, your putting that gun smell on the gun and the gun smell on the casings. Now your guns and casings have the same smell, somewhat. Now, go store that used brass in some Ziploc freezer bags. I'll wait....Ok, now that you're back, we've moving on.

Ground Penetrating Radar. To avoid having your buried stash being found by GPR, will be determined that several things. GPR can be effective up to about 45 feet, in dry, sandy soil and very dense rock. GPR, however, is not very effective (just a few inches) in moist or clay soils or dirt with high electrical conductivity. Electrically conductive dirt you say? Yes, I say. How do we make our dirt conduct electricity? By using salt. Now, you may hate me for this advise, but go get some Epsom Salt, you want about a pound or two per acre of property. Walk around you yard with your bag of salt, and throw handfuls of it around your yard like your feeding pigeons, or chickens, or like you're fertilizing your yard. Of, if you're the lazy type or have a large yard, you can use a seed spreader. I'm sure you're wondering why you will hate me for this information and Imagonna tell you. Epsom Salt is a fertilizer, a very good fertilizer. After a season of fertilizing your yard with Epsom Salt, you'll be cutting your grass twice as much, this is assuming that you'll also water your grass on a regular basis. When you water your Epsom Salt and dirt, your dirt will conduct electricity much better and ground penetrating radar will not be very effective. You can now bury your stash, in something waterproof, a couple of feet down (don't forget about the dogs) and the GPR probably won't find it, so don't bury everything in the same place.

Wall Penetrating Radar. WPR can see through everything except metal. If you put a metal plate in the wall, the WPR can't see through it, but then you raise suspicions, so don't hide crap in the walls from the government, they'll find it. Some WPR units are very small and light and can be deployed nearly anywhere there is a wall, ceiling or floor. Some WPR units are very large and can be deployed from outside of your house. Don't hide crap in the walls from the government.

Super Secret 007 Bookcases. The dogs will find it and you're bookcase will be destroyed by the agents tearing it apart to find the guns. I used to have the title of Counter Surveillance something another. I was using a bug detector to find a hidden bug in a government office where some sensitive information was discussed, then leaked. Everyone in the room was put on 'vacation'. No one fessed up to leaking the information and I was called in, as part of the investigation, to see if the office was bugged. Bugged it was, and so was vacationeers. The bug, however, was cleverly hidden inside of the material that a desk was made of. We couldn't see the device, but my super duper bug catching machine 'heard' the bug. We had no choice but to dismantle the desk, so we called the fire department, With a very heavy ax, we eventually found the bug, and the desk was no longer usable. Don't hide guns from the government in furniture you may want to keep. Come to find out, the desk was built around the bug for the former occupant of that office. When he was evicted, the desk stayed because it was government property, and so did his assistant, who knew about the bug, but wasn't party to the conversation that led to the leak, that led to the bug hunt, that led to me wielding an ax like a madman.

Now, about those spent shell casings. You've buried your cache of weapons here and yonder in the yard, you've hidden one or two firearms (cheap ones) in an easily breached book case, under the refrigerator, in between the mattress, in doubled up Ziploc freezer bag in the tank of the toilet, in a Ziploc freezer bag within another Ziploc freezer bag, in gallon size food storage bowl of full of homemade soup in the freezer, etc. When the gun confiscation comes, you take that .22 riffle and hide it in the closet and you take those thousands of rounds of spent ammo brass that you've been storing in the freezer bags, and you go spread them around the yard, around the house, in the chicken coup, place one or two in the kitchen, in the kitchen drawers, in your bedroom, bathroom, guest room, attic, basement, crawl space, etc. Just for grins and giggles, get a cheap safe, tape some brass to the bottom of it, turn in on it's back, where the door is facing up, and fill it with concrete and close the door. Once the concrete sets up, place the safe someplace where it's a pain the backside to get to. When dog smells gun at the safe, the government agents will have fun removing the safe. Imagine how happy they will be when they find out that there is no gun in the safe. If it was my job to confiscate guns, I'd be full of joy. Oh, yeah, the .22 rifle, plan on turning that one over without a fight.

What if they find all my guns? I suggest you go read this piece by Kurt Hoffman right after you finish reading this. Go, now, go read it, you're done reading this garbage. Except, leave a comment first.

Keep a few, and hide the rest, including most of your ammo. My thanks to the author. This has given me and my Constitutional Conservative friends some more ideas. Suggestion: a cheap handgun to surrender, along with a dozen or so shells.

When they start registring guns, like now, it will not be time to use them, you will be veiwed by everyone as a madman.In my country they are going to force us to register our shotguns, the last licence free firearms we have. I smell som bad shit coming. I have already burried my shotguns and ammo, and am now stocking up on unregistred black market firearms. It wont be long before they nock on my door to confiscate my registered guns, that is the way things are headed.

speak for yourself budroe,makes facts easier;).Guns are like fossil fuel,just the best way to git on down the road;). They by far are not the only way to git on down the road. Imagine the search troops beded down on the outskirts of town,for example. Take 20-30 head of cows,tie 10 - 20 feet of barbwire between 10 -15 pairs,mix in some singles. Start the grass a burning and stampede those wired up cows thru their camp;). Promise when all said and done,you will have all the weapons and gear your horses can carry;).

Thanks for your advice Bill. If laws are past making all or certain guns illegal and the State or Federal govt comes to your house asking about the location of your firearms they have listed on their licensed firearms list, do you tell them that their request is a violation of your constitutional right to beat arms (2nd Amend) and that you also cannot answer any questions about relating to these laws because it may incriminate you therefore you invoke your 5th amend right against self incrination? I know they may still arrest you for obstruction of justice, but it seems the risk outweighs the reward. Your opinion on this would be appreciated.

Thank you for your comment, and your question. If your state requires registration of firearms, then your state also requires that you report lost or stolen firearms within a certain amount of days since your discovery of the loss or theft. In these states, when a firearm is traced back to a straw buyer, and the police contact that straw buyer about the firearm, I'm sure the first response is "OMG, the gun is not where I left it, I need to file a report of a lost or stolen firearm".

While it's against the the law to lie to a law enforcement officer (and others) you have no duty to say anything to the police, except "I respectfully invoke my right to remain silent" and you should also say "I request that a lawyer be present before you question me" and then STFU. Anything you volunteer, will be used against you. The 5th Amendment isn't a blanket that shields voluntary information. The 5th Amendment also doesn't shield any information you provide prior to being advised of your rights. ANYTHING you say to anyone, at any time, except your lawyer, can be used against you.

In every state, in the United States, your remaining silent shall not be used against you in court. If you're on trial, for whatever reason, the prosecutor shall not even mention to the jury that you remained silent. While the media may mention that a defendant didn't testify in his own defense, if a prosecutor mentions it during trial, that will probably lead to a mistrial.

If you invoke your right to remain silent while being questioned by police, you may be arrested, but you can't be convicted of obstructing justice. This would have a 'chilling effect' (legal term, look it up) on people exercising their rights. An example of 'chilling effect' would be, if every time you said "I disagree with our government", you got whopped on the head, eventually, no one would say that they disagreed with the government. It would chill, or stop, the exercise of free speech.

If you follow the advise given in the post, and the police discover those firearms, you will probably get arrested on several charges, most of which will probably be felonies.

You said... it seems the risk outweighs the reward.

The risk of the nation being disarmed means that the people are at the mercy of a dictatorship and basically are slaves, begging for the mercy of their master. The reward is that a dictator will be overthrown and a solid message sent, that the citizens of the United States will not be ruled by a dictator.

The choice is yours, will you bow down before your master and seek mercy from your chains, or will you raise up against your master and risk being chained?

Now, the disclaimer. I'm not your attorney. If I was your attorney, I would not advise you to break the law, 'cause lawyers are like that. I'm not your conscience, I'm only a person on the internet giving you free advice and what ever happens to you doesn't affect me. I'm not your wife, your children, you siblings or your parents, your choice of submission or defiance should be based solely on your circumstances. As far as me and my house, we will defy and defend any infringements on our rights.

God bless you, Bill! I still feel it's important to have a cheap handgun or rifle with a handful of ammo to sadly surrender -- to protect the others. Live to fight another day. If all those of us who have guns refuse and get arrested or shot (guns confiscated anyhow!), who is left to fight? Those of us who are shooting instructors and life NRA members have already been found out and are no doubt on lists. We can't deny having any guns at all. Surrender something cheap and remain alive and free to fight. Old Grandma

"what ever happens to you doesn't affect me." If only that were true. But it this case, whatever happens to one of us affects all the rest of us. Our best defense is the ballot box, refuse to elect (or reelect) those who have shown themselves to be in favor of confiscation. By the time they hold the majority of public offices, it will be too late.

In order to preserve the Constitution, we must FIRST civily disobey. "Officer, you may not have my guns. You can arrest me and I'll have my day in court." Force the system to work. Imagine the logistics if everyone were to do this. An instant Constitutional crisis. The government is dying for you to shoot at them first. At that point, the Constitution goes right out the window! Marshall law. Totalitarianism overnight. If getting arrested doesn't work, you have done all you can, and it is time to go for the stash, God willing. Fight like a guerilla. God bless us all...

Would hiding your guns in a tree work? Or on your roof in the chimney? Also if they come to take your guns couldn't you just lock the door and pretend there not there? I have to admit, its kinda fun thinking of or talking about how to trick them.

Oh and what if everyone somehow hid a gun resulting in an expensive operation to confiscate it just stick it to them. I mean if we as a people made hard enough and expensive enough maybe we could change there minds or at the very least piss them off.

I don't know if hiding a gun in a chimney would be a good idea. Even if the fireplace is not used, you would still have to suspend it somehow. One way that drugs are found in walls is by following the string that suspends them, and then you've got the whole wall penetrating radar thing.

Hiding a gun in a tree would be a good idea if it's weather proofed, and secured so that tree rats don't carry it off. If you use a tree, I would recommend that it either be in an area where the grass is maintained, or if in the woods, hide it and leave it so that you don't inadvertently leave a trail.

A lot of people wouldn't have to hide guns. Just peppering the yard with .22 shell casings and burying pieces of pipe a foot down all over the yard would significantly hinder a search. For a one acre yard, I would have to guess that you'd be looking at three or four men working for eight hours before any digging started.

Thank you for the advice, not that I’m saying you’re a lawyer. I plan on preparing these tactics. I do hope if this is the direction the dictator travels that you won’t be alone in "resisting". I do hope that the resistance is quick and well organized too. There are not many agents available to do the confiscating but there are plenty of guardsmen that will have to make a choice what that weekend commitment actually means to them. So thank you again – very helpful.

(Borg Voice; "Resistance is Futile!") - Seriously, a weapon out of reach is practically the same as no weapon at all. However, a BACKUP weapon might be reasonably stored "off site" - or inside your circuit breaker box - behind the inner cover. But it needs to be in an air-tight bag which is inside another bag filled with a strong scented substance - say, chili powder - to throw off the dogs. Perhaps a mini-can of pepper spray (bear chaser type) could be stored inside the box, but between the covers for easy access. Then, spray the box lightly if you see them coming (not too much, you want to throw off the dogs, but not "alert" the handlers with a scent they can smell without the dogs), and, once used, move the spray bottle to your camping supplies or other "innocent" location. I like the idea of saving up expended brass or even hand-loading powder in an air-tight container, then, when needed, scatter it all over you house to drive the dogs crazy and their handlers nuts, chasing ghosts. An expendable decoy weapon would also be a good idea - let them find "something" - even if just a starter pistol, to satisfy their need to have "something to show".

Confiscator: "Why do you have spent brass all over your house?Answer - "The cat likes to play with it." (cats, DO, you know, like to play with anything they can bat around and watch roll or spin.)Such a reasonable answer might put off a wrathful retaliation.

There is no need for guns. I hope the government takes all your guns away... Even Sylvester Stalone says there should be a gun ban... ha ha. your hero also wants your guns away. A slap in the face, right?

No need for guns? You ridiculously stupid piece of garbage. Everyone line up and walk into the gas chambers please... Sure sounds like fun?! You're an idiot and a waste of life. Go to another country that doesn't have guns if you don't like ours you piece of garbage!

I had 3 home invasions when my children were small, and I met each with a loaded gun. They ran. My children and I are alive BECAUSE I had a gun each time (the bad guys didn't). Animals in the wild who refuse to defend themselves die off quickly. Fortunately for you, the rest of us defend you. It's time you carried your own weight. Old Grandma

To the idiot that said we need our guns taken away...You deserve to live in a communist country and have your rights extinguished. Then lets see if that changes your naive and ignorant mind...Of course it is fools like you that allow human rights to disappear because of your apathy. You are a waste of space...

stallone a hero?Try pussy,when he was asked to serve his country,he hauled ass to Switzerland and coached a girls volley ball team;). He's a mean actor,but hell anybody can act;).I refuse to watch his bull shit movies,just like he refused to serve.Happiness is having a gun and not needing it.Nightmare is needing a gun and not having one,promise.

Except that the gov't has weapons far superior to ordinary handguns, rifles, and shotguns. Far superior technology. It's a nice dream (this coming from someone w/ more than a half dozen firearms) but the government will always win. The playing field is so skewed compared to the last mass uprising against the U.S. gov't (i.e. the Civil War). Drones, the ability to survey remotely from the sky/satellites, robotic technology--and that's the tip of the iceberg.

If it comes time for gun confiscation I would hope at that point Patriots would use their heads. Mobilize. Get a game plan. And take back this once proud country. Nobody should try to take them on alone. If it happens to you tell everyone. The resistance will form. The resistance will prevail. We will not be Britain. We will not be Australia. We will fight for the constituion. We will fight for freedom. We are the United States. Just look to your side and I will be the one standing there fighting with you.

Thanks for the tips. And even though the constitution ignorers can be reading this too, it doesn't mean it makes the advice null and void. My problem is, I'd only want to cache a really cheap used firearm, since I'd plan on it being left alone for maybe decades.

basically,i only have a 12ga. flare gun,iTIs not classified as a weapon. iTIs classified as an emergency safety device;).and of course the trusty bow and arrow,wrist rocket and vehicles. If the confiscation starts. I will just git one of their guns;).and then there is my trusty nail gun with 200 p.s.i. ;).In the real,my guns are my guns,if you want to take them,then,that is all you will have to do ;). Take them:). promise.We the people,of whom I am one,have inalienable rights that were rights before they were put on paper and will be a long time after that paper crumbles to dust !!!Promise;).

Yeah, the nail gun will be an effective tool against those brandishing modern military firearms. My county police department has the technology to be able to read a license plate from a helicopter from over 1000 ft...at night. County police. Now imagine what the U.S. military uses.

Bill Baldwin. (said with the most innocent look on my face)I would NEVER try to hide a firearm, and will gladly give them EVERY GUN THEY ASK FOR as I am not a trouble maker, honest in-jin, I would never lie to the police, military or any government official!They only have my best interests at heart, right?

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I'm a civil rights activist in my spare time with a focus on the Second Amendment.
On this blog, I hope to bring to light the inaccuracies that is so often found in "reports" and "studies" by the anti-rights establishment (we used to call them anti gunners).
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