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Thanks for keeping an eye on the new KS projects coming onboard, and bringing them to our attention. Regarding these newer ones....Hope to see more info from the Predestination ppls in near future; like the ideas and what they propose, but the KS is kind of sketchy atm on solid material that's actually in the proposed game.

The Forsaken Fortress is looking pretty cool...like the "Mad Max" feel of it :)

From the text there: --------------- The Institute for Collaborative Education is a small public alternative middle/high school in Manhattan that attracts families of all incomes from across the city. Its music department is run by professional jazz musician and poet, Roy Nathanson. Roy’s songwriting class has been invited to perform its original songs to the public in Munich, joining German teen-musicians there in a cross-cultural exchange. It’s the opportunity of a lifetime and, once there, the kids’ expenses will be paid. But they need your help getting there. ------------

I saw this weeks ago, but totally forgot about it till now... I just pledged some money (they alrady reached their goal, but more money helps) and I think it is just great for intercultural exchange... so they have three day to go... and it is christmas soon, so make some people happy ,)

lowyhong: For Kickstarter, if projects aren't successful, the backers won't be charged. For Indiegogo, there are 2 options: Fixed Funding and Flexible Funding. Fixed Funding works like Kickstarter; Flexible Funding is such that backers will be charged immediately once their credit cards are processed.

gandalf.nho: IndieGoGo always charge immediately, but in the case of Fixed Funding projects, the money is refunded in case of failure (I backed Starforge, which is Fixed and was charged in the same moment), I guess is a limitation of PayPal

Ah it's refunded? Didn't know that, thanks for clarifying.

PaulDenton: P.S: And Just for good measure

We should use this method to see how frequently people catch up on this thread :P

P1na: We were actually considering adding a checkbox for allowing the project to keep the money even if it wasn't successful, but the boss said no as it would apparently give a bad impression to backers. I don't really understand why that would be so, though.

amok: It leaves it more open for fraud, half-baked projects, unrealistic projects and so on. Kickstarter is a little safer for the backers, and it also highlights the importance of making sure you have good feasible pitch and project, if you don't you want get any funds. Both approaches has pros and cons.

I see your point. However, I was talking about a checkbox here, so you would be allowed to choose which kind of backing you want to provide. I still think that giving the choice to the user is best, but then again, users tend to be quite stupid surprisingly often.

Still, I suppose there's also the sector to consider. Here we're talking products, games, while my field is more projects somewhere around charity. It does make a difference.

gandalf.nho: IndieGoGo always charge immediately, but in the case of Fixed Funding projects, the money is refunded in case of failure (I backed Starforge, which is Fixed and was charged in the same moment), I guess is a limitation of PayPal

FYI, Paypal allows for fee free return of the money during the first 60 days of a payment. That's why our own campaigns usually last 60 days by default.