See Dali, my style can be more than just mecha! I used many of my same techniques on the Razor Angel Transforming Ship/Cannon as well as the rest of the MOCs.

About this creation

The scraps in scale comparison with the Salvation (Who could be to scale depending on how many times he hit the growth button) and the Guyver minifig

The Razor Angel is a symmetrical topsy-turvy transforming ship. It has 5 pilot seats. It can fly upside-down, rightside-up, or any other possible way due to it's symmetry. It has 3 forms: jet, claw, and cannon.
Razor Angel jet mode:

Front:

Back:

Razor angel Razor Claws out:

Open:

Shut:

Razor Angel cannon mode:

Top to show symmetry:

Cockpits:
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5 with Boosters:

This is my first Micro city! This is where the Revelation HQ is located.
Revelation City: (Not to scale with the Razor Angel or the following scraps)
The tallest building is Revelation Assembly's HQ. The arch with the trans-blue grills is the mini-dam. The building in the middle front is the church. etc....

wow, getting a hold of you is tough! I commented on a couple of your mocs, but to no avail. could you judge the fighter contest in a world of creativity (lego) group? I don't mean to pry, but a response would be nice. thanks!

Your MOCs are just too awesome to describe! I like the transforming ship!

I like it

Michael Sloper

May 26, 2009

Great job! I like the micro city's design with all the building and SNOT floor. And you did a great job on your micro-scale Revelation it's really hard to make something like that. All in a job well done! Oh, and could you check out my latest part of my series, brothers in arms?

Quoting Zach Baker
Phong, how do you get so many people to come and see your mocs? Do you advertise somewhere? I mean your stuff is not that much better than mine, if at all...

FAME!!!!! LOL! Sarcastic bragging!!!
Actually I don't advertise, and no offense,but I have to disagree with your last statement. I'm really not trying to brag, because you're a friend, but my mechas are quite better. NO OFFENSE! However, these scraps aren't very good. 30 comments to me is not a lot though. I think I get more comments because of my fame.....and AWESOMENESS! LOL!!! (Just kidding.)

Quoting Dali Zheng
The only influence I see from Izzo is the most of the building technique and the big sword. I'm just saying a lot of people think your theme is too similar to mine.

It's not even close to the Gospel! Look at Izzo's Hero mecha. It's much closer to that than it is to your VG. Please don't try to take all of the credit. Look, you just triggered me to make a religous mecha, but it was in no way based off of the VG. I never even thought about your mecha while I was building. Infact, when I reached V.3 I even stopped thinking of Izzo's mecha and started making the Revelation my own. By the time I made the salvation, it was totally different from Izzo's and not even close to yours. With my style, I tend to put morefocus on the head, which is what happened with the Salvation. Also, when I stopped thinking of Izzo-style, my building started coming from myself and flowed.

Quoting Jin-Jiro Perez
What matters is that venius and revalation are each good in there own way why do you two have to fight. Dali. Phong may use cheese wheel pieces and all the parts you use but even with the same parts it all comes down to the way one themselves use these parts to truly show how one builder is truly different from another. Pay real attention to both your mechs I can see various amounts of similarities and differences .
The fact Phong in of it himself is not directly
copying all of venis gospel and just changing the name to revalation in of it self makes it truly different. Also the fact you say how he himself was truly inspired by venis is not entirely true I can see how he took designs from other stuff like Type a8 temjin, Freeedom gundam, and this one attack from castlevania. Izzo when I first saw reva v1 I knew that his looked somewhat similar to your venis but the first thing that poped in my head was. He so stole from temjin a8

What matters is that venius and revalation are each good in there own way why do you two have to fight. Dali. Phong may use cheese wheel pieces and all the parts you use but even with the same parts it all comes down to the way one themselves use these parts to truly show how one builder is truly different from another. Pay real attention to both your mechs I can see various amounts of similarities and differences .
The fact Phong in of it himself is not directly
copying all of venis gospel and just changing the name to revalation in of it self makes it truly different. Also the fact you say how he himself was truly inspired by venis is not entirely true I can see how he took designs from other stuff like Type a8 temjin, Freeedom gundam, and this one attack from castlevania. Izzo when I first saw reva v1 I knew that his looked somewhat similar to your venis but the first thing that poped in my head was. He so stole from temjin a8

Look even though you think someone can't be unique without other people the fact you can take other peoples beliefs decide which morals you think are right and get rid of the ones you think are bad mix em up and come up with your own ideals and belifes and make your own reason for living, breathing, talking. Even though what you say can be only some what true the fact man as an individual can stray there own path find out what they belive in makes some one them self uniqe in that aspect.

Quoting Dali Zheng
@Ryan: it's no coincidence that a lot of other MOCers get our themes mixed up with each other, Phong's theme is pretty much based off of my theme with subtle differences. Why else would someone think that Venus Collective is Phong's theme?

It's not at all based off of yours. You gave me the idea to make a theme, but mine is based off of Izzo's Hero Mecha. Remember, that was the Revelation's main influence. However, when I started my own style, I edited the Revelation by my own influence.

@Ryan: it's no coincidence that a lot of other MOCers get our themes mixed up with each other, Phong's theme is pretty much based off of my theme with subtle differences. Why else would someone think that Venus Collective is Phong's theme?

dali don't get angry... the revelation assembly theme is not the same as venus collective... they r unique... venus collective is more smooth edged and soft and sleek... now revalation assembly is more sharp and anime-ish... so for this argument i say phong FTW!

Quoting Dali Zheng
Solitary confinement man wouldn't think about being himself because he would not be able to grasp such a concept. Being yourself is such BS because sometimes you just have to bend over to other people's will.

Quoting Dali Zheng
Solitary confinement man wouldn't think about being himself because he would not be able to grasp such a concept. Being yourself is such BS because sometimes you just have to bend over to other people's will.

Wow, what happened to your fighting spirit?! Bend over and get bu77r4p3d by people's will. HeII no!! You've gotta fight back and force them to bend to your will!

Solitary confinement man wouldn't think about being himself because he would not be able to grasp such a concept. Being yourself is such BS because sometimes you just have to bend over to other people's will.

Quoting Dali Zheng
Building something because I want to == getting coffee because I want to. That's not necessarily being individual. Solitary confinement man wouldn't be concerned about being himself because he wouldn't know what the flying fork that is supposed to mean.

You don't have to know what something means in order to do it. I can sa the word metacognism without knowing it's meaning.

Building something because I want to == getting coffee because I want to. That's not necessarily being individual. Solitary confinement man wouldn't be concerned about being himself because he wouldn't know what the flying fork that is supposed to mean.

Quoting Dali Zheng
Homosexuals are born that way. Homosexuality is genetic and it has nothing to do with themselves really, so don't blame them. Ok, here's another example which is basically the coffee example: I could build a mech just like Izzo's because I really like anime style mecha, but that certainly doesn't define me as an individual. About solitary-confinement man, the lack of other civil humans would make him a very primal human, he would pretty much be an evolved monkey without higher levels of thought. He would be just an animal.

Therefore, he'd have an animal's personality. The Izzo thing. That's showing that you're making an individual decision in building. Therefore in a sense shows a sign of individuality. We've been arguing this for hours. I'm gonna give it a rest.

Homosexuals are born that way. Homosexuality is genetic and it has nothing to do with themselves really, so don't blame them. Ok, here's another example which is basically the coffee example: I could build a mech just like Izzo's because I really like anime style mecha, but that certainly doesn't define me as an individual. About solitary-confinement man, the lack of other civil humans would make him a very primal human, he would pretty much be an evolved monkey without higher levels of thought. He would be just an animal, an individual animal nonetheless.

Quoting Dali Zheng
My coffee example is legit. It doesn't have to be something epic like you would expect. All it takes is one counterexample to disprove anything. I don't want to get into the whole "first man" thing, since that is more or less a "chicken or the egg" argument.

Coffee doesn't make your personality, so that statement was moot. If you made a better analogy, you'd find you can shape yourself. How do you think that someone in solitary confinement from the day they were born would develop their personality? They can do it on their own. Remember when I was talking about my homophobia and you told me that people are born liking the same gender? That means that they were not influenced by an outside source to develop that trait. As much as it grosses me out, they're individuals.

My coffee example is legit. It doesn't have to be something epic like you would expect. All it takes is one counterexample to disprove anything. I don't want to get into the whole "first man" thing, since that is more or less a "chicken or the egg" argument.

Quoting Dali Zheng
My argument is definitely moot. However, your argument is moot too, since we're arguing about the same thing. It would make no difference if either one of us is right. Everyone is shaped by others. "No man is an island" as Donne would say. If you do something for your own sake, that doesn't necessarily make you an individual. I could go get coffee right now because I want caffeine, but that doesn't make me myself.

LOL! You know that your rediculous coffee analogy had nothing to do with my overall point. You're trying to make my point seem "shallow" in a sense by throwing out such an insignificant example for my point. Plus, how do you think the first man shaped himself? He had to be an island. (Unless you put God into the equation, but I don't wan't to offend your beliefs. At that, God would have to be an island, because he is the beginning to everything.) Like I said and as you always say; "MOOOOOT!"

My argument is definitely moot. However, your argument is moot too, since we're arguing about the same thing. It would make no difference if either one of us is right. Everyone is shaped by others. "No man is an island" as Donne would say. If you do something for your own sake, that doesn't necessarily make you an individual. I could go get coffee right now because I want caffeine, but that doesn't make me myself.

Quoting Dali Zheng
But I disagree, you can't be yourself without being unique and vice versa. "Be yourself" is a motivational lie, it really means "don't worry about being just like everyone else."

It also means don't worry about being different from everyone else. You become yourself through your own internal influences, not by the influence of others. It's not like everyone looks at others and says "Ooh, I'm gonna do exactly that to be the same," or "Ooh, I'm gonna do just the opposite in an effort to be different!" Both of those decisions result in no individuality. However, if you say "I'm gonna do that, but not to be the same, but just because it's my own choice," or "I'm gonna do the opposite, but not to be unique, but just because it's my choice," then you're being an individual. Your argument is moot, Dali.

Eh, you probably would make a Christian mech eventually. But it definitely wouldn't be the same without Venus Gospel. I repeated myself to make a point, it's called a tautology. That, and I copypasted. But I disagree, you can't be yourself without being unique and vice versa. "Be yourself" is a motivational lie, it really means "don't worry about being just like everyone else."

Quoting Dali Zheng
Being yourself and being unique are mutually inclusive. You can't be yourself without being unique, and you can't be unique without being yourself. So when I talk about being unique it's really the same thing as being yourself. Without me, the Revelation mech probably wouldn't exist. The Christian theme, angel wings, white armor with black underneath motivated you to build your Revelation mech.

You're full of it there. They don't go mutually Dali. You may have phrased that statement in a way that it would seem to make sense, but in truth, your statement presents no real connection; only the same sentence backwards. You CAN be yourself without being unique. You gain many parts of your personality without any outside influence. Your statement is a lie.
Plus, I have already built a Christian mecha before you joined the 'Pages without any outside influence. It's just that your Venus Gospel re-triggered that urge. I'm sure I could have created it later on without your VG.
PS: The Irish make some of the best Punk Music!

Being yourself and being unique are mutually inclusive. You can't be yourself without being unique, and you can't be unique without being yourself. So when I talk about being unique it's really the same thing as being yourself. Without me, the Revelation mech probably wouldn't exist. The Christian theme, angel wings, white armor with black underneath motivated you to build your Revelation mech. Then you combined that with some of Izzo's techniques, and thus came about your latest mech.

Quoting Dali Chang If you think about it this way, an individual is defined by who he or she is compared to others. You can't be unique without other people. Going off the beaten path is definitely a good thing sometimes, and you seem to be discouraging that.

No, individuality is being yourself. It's not a matter of comparison. You've got it mixed up with the concept of being unique. However, I prefer being myself over being unique. That way, I don't have to depend on anyone but myself. as for "Who are you without other people?" that only goes for being unique, not an individual. You've lost sight of what individuality really is. If you can stay who you are without the influence of other people, you're an individual. If you are who you are in comparison to other people and end up different, you're unique.

If you think about it this way, an individual is defined by who he or she is compared to others. You can't be unique without other people. Going off the beaten path is definitely a good thing sometimes, and you seem to be discouraging that. "Be yourself" is the biggest motivational lie I've ever heard. You can't be yourself without other people. Who are you without others?

Have you looked at the back of Venus Gospel? Angel wings right there, before yours. We both spam tiles and cheese slopes, that is the same, but I'm not blaming you for that. Replace trans-lightblue/lime green with trans-blue/blue, and you see the similarities are too much.

Quoting Dali Zheng
The thing is though, if I free up the accent color, your theme basically fits my theme. Other MOCers have pointed out that your theme looks just like mine except with blue accents.

Does your theme use Angel wings? Does your theme use as many tiles and cheese slopes? Does your theme use trans-blue or any trans colors? The only similarity between our themes is white being the base color. Other MOCers need to look deeper into things.

Quoting Dali Zheng
To the average MOCer, the only difference is lime green to blue. We both use T pieces, headlight bricks, 1x1 clips, cheese slopes, and 1x1 tiles excessively. It's true that our technique is very different, but when people see Gundam-proportioned mecha, they think they all look really similar with the main difference being color. I'm thinking of freeing Venus Collective to not just lime-green accents. Venus Collective from now on will be free to any accent color, but the build most be smooth, curvy, and it must have white/black. Perhaps my next MOC will be an example of this, to show that Venus Collective is a definitive building theme and not just a color scheme.

To the average MOCer, the only difference is lime green to blue. We both use T pieces, headlight bricks, 1x1 clips, cheese slopes, and 1x1 tiles excessively. It's true that our technique is very different, but when people see Gundam-proportioned mecha, they think they all look really similar with the main difference being color. I'm thinking of freeing Venus Collective to not just lime-green accents. Venus Collective from now on will be free to any accent color, but the build most be smooth, curvy, and it must have white/black. Perhaps my next MOC will be an example of this, to show that Venus Collective is a definitive building theme and not just a color scheme.

Quoting Dali Zheng
I suggest revising your MOCs in this theme so that it doesn't imitate my theme. Then again, it's up to you and I can't really do anything if you copy my theme.

They don't imitate and I am not copying your theme. This theme started with Izzo's Hero mecha, but then you told me to go Phong-Style and I decided to make a theme out of that. I got the idea of making a theme from you though, but my theme is actually very different from yours if you take the time to look closer.

Quoting Dali Zheng
You just said "Yup" to "Is Revelation going to be like your Venus Collective?" he's got a point, your theme is too similar to mine, so similar that it is more or less a copy. The main difference is the change from lime green to blue.

Dali, I meant that it's going to be my "theme" in the same way your Venus Collective is yours. This is in no way a copy. Look at the different techniques and parts usage thay my style uses. Can you honestly say it's a copy? I'd say you have it backwards. The only thing SIMILAR to the Venus Collective is the color. Either way, just because you made a theme with white as the main color doesn't mean that people who do so later on are copying you. Everyone has their own theme. Mine just so happens to have a somewhat similar color scheme to yours.

You just said "Yup" to "Is Revelation going to be like your Venus Collective?" he's got a point, your theme is too similar to mine, so similar that it is more or less a copy. The main difference is the change from lime green to blue.

Probably my favorite aspect of this set is the play value. There's a lot you can do with the ship. The pics with it standing up make me wonder if it can't walk around as well as fly. This would make a good one of those mini-vehicle sets that Lego makes. The base and the support vehicles just make it even cooler

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