The main point of this debate is to kill one industry while starting another really costs us nothing. Even the tech involved to create clean air from fossil fuel is possible. It just about gearing one industry down while creating another and we all benefit from it. But the cost of doing nothing is catastrophic and we send the planet back to survival mode in a dog eat dog world.

A new leaked report to the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)a body which was the source of the original global warming claimshas said that new evidence shows that the earth is actually cooling down rather than heating up.

Can anybody actually find this report?

The post is a cut and paste from a news service to a UK newspaper which links to another UK newspaper, but no actual report.

<quoted text>Can anybody actually find this report?The post is a cut and paste from a news service to a UK newspaper which links to another UK newspaper, but no actual report.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/...Going on past history, it's some dumb piece of misinformation produced by a think tank and nothing to do with the IPCC, but as usual deniers lack any scepticism and never attempt to check facts.

Duh, when there is no science to back up your position and you are paid by the Koch brothers, you lead a dis-information campaign.The bigger the lie the more likely the sheep will swallow it

<quoted text>Global Warming Activists Stumped by New Claims that Earth Is Actually CoolingPosted by TNO Staff on September 8, 20130 CommenticecapstoryA new leaked report to the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC)a body which was the source of the original global warming claimshas said that new evidence shows that the earth is actually cooling down rather than heating up.

OK, found it.

It's not a leaked report to the IPCC, it's a leak of the IPCC report itself, and the reason the link to the original newspaper report is dead is that the article was so full of errors it was retracted.

<quoted text>Duh, when there is no science to back up your position and you are paid by the Koch brothers, you lead a dis-information campaign.The bigger the lie the more likely the sheep will swallow it

<quoted text>Duh, when there is no science to back up your position and you are paid by the Koch brothers, you lead a dis-information campaign.The bigger the lie the more likely the sheep will swallow it

The main point of this debate is to kill one industry while starting another really costs us nothing..

Electricity Prices Soar As Government Regulation Surges

The Cost Of Green: In the midst of an unparalleled energy boom, U.S. electricity prices have skyrocketed to new highs. This paradox is a result not of the free market, but of runaway government "green" regulation.

Unnoticed by virtually everyone except the sharp-eyed folks at CNSNews.com , new federal data show that electricity prices have never been higher.

In November, the Bureau of Labor Statistics' Electricity Price Index hit 202.284, an all-time record and nearly 20% higher than just six years ago.

Climate change is forcing insurance companies to raise their premiums, driving up the price of coffee, altering the taste of apples, helping invasive species take over local ecosystems, threatening the suitability of wine-growing regions, reducing our ability to perform manual labor, melting outdoor ice hockey rinks and causing plants to flower earlier.

And, of course, theres the most direct consequence: warming. Globally, we observed the hottest November on record, part of a string of 345 straight months with above-average temperatures compared to the 20th century average.

<quoted text>Electricity Prices Soar As Government Regulation SurgesThe Cost Of Green: In the midst of an unparalleled energy boom, U.S. electricity prices have skyrocketed to new highs. This paradox is a result not of the free market, but of runaway government "green" regulation.Unnoticed by virtually everyone except the sharp-eyed folks at CNSNews.com , new federal data show that electricity prices have never been higher.In November, the Bureau of Labor Statistics' Electricity Price Index hit 202.284, an all-time record and nearly 20% higher than just six years ago.http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/electric...

No matter what you post on here, overall the increased cost of energy gets saved in lower costs elsewhere such as insurance and money saved in having to rebuild storm damaged infrastructure. And if we are really serious clean energy yields a higher gain than fossil fuel could ever hope to imagine. More predictable crop yields, less extreme weather therefore lower energy consumption and the list goes on and on.

<quoted text>No matter what you post on here, overall the increased cost of energy gets saved in lower costs elsewhere such as insurance and money saved in having to rebuild storm damaged infrastructure. And if we are really serious clean energy yields a higher gain than fossil fuel could ever hope to imagine. More predictable crop yields, less extreme weather therefore lower energy consumption and the list goes on and on.

No matter what I post here? Seriously? You think you're making a valid argument? So "clean" energy has no infrastructure that could be damaged by storm?

As for your "higher gain" argument, you're begging the question: higher costs today are offset by lower costs in the future?

Sounds an awful like Wimpy logic,'You'll gladly pay more for electricity today to [maybe] pay less in the future'.

But go ahead tell us about all the cost "savings". This will be amusing.

Well Mothballs here is a start in Australia where much of the population lives on the coastal fringes. All of a sudden beach front properties won't be worth as much if anything at all in a decade or so. Why don't you ask all the coastal dwellers in the US if they mind paying higher energy prices if they thought it might save their land value let alone their home.

"The NSW government will order councils to study the scientific evidence for sea-level rise on a beach-by-beach basis, amid fears that many local authorities may be undermining property values by imposing punitive planning conditions based on predictions contained in reports of the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change"

(Reuters)- As China's smog levels crept past record highs in early December, the phone lines at pollution-busting kit maker Broad Group lit up with Chinese customers worried about hazardous pollution levels that have gripped China this year.

China's government is struggling to meet pollution reduction targets and has pledged to spend over 3 trillion yuan ($494 billion) to tackle the problem, creating a growing market for companies that can help boost energy efficiency and lower emissions.

"Recently, we haven't been able to make products fast enough to keep up with demand," said Hu Jie, a general manager at Broad Group, which makes pollution-related products ranging from hand-held monitors to eco-friendly buildings. Sales roughly doubled this year from 2012, Hu said, without giving details.

U.S. environmental engineering company LP Amina, which helps coal power plants reduce emissions by retrofitting burners to make them more efficient, saw its China sales double this year, said the firm's marketing manager Jamyan Dudka, without providing specific figures. Coal accounts for more than two-thirds of China's primary energy consumption.

U.S.-listed Fuel Tech, which also focuses in this area, sees China at the forefront of its business development plans, and has increased its China-based staff to more than 30 people, CEO Doug Bailey said on an analyst call last month.

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Seems there's a lot of money to be made in green tech. We should be leading more, instead of usually following.

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