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ice ruins and project f

Not only do I think we've not seen the last of team plasma in the anime,but I think they will finally appear in their original uniforms here's why. In bw 117 a plasma grunt reported to Ghetsis progress on project f and near the end of the episode n climax cedric junipers assistants run to him informing him of new findings at the ice ruins plus clairs returning too. So I think that the ice ruins are in the declora arichpelo and team plasma under the command of the original team plasma commander (from the banned 2 parter) are here and have brought back whatever they found from the giant chasm. I mean why else would they put emphasis on the ice ruins and mention project f if nothing was gonna come of it?

I wasn't aware of this but it would make sense and would be interesting. But for further reference, are Team Plasma no longer involved with the genesect army? Because I don't know how it would fit in with the DA saga. Especially because the movie is already officially canonized by the genesect army's appearance in the anime.

There was no indication that the Ice Ruins were outside Unova. Considering that Ash only stayed in Unova because Cedric invited him to the White Ruins, you'd think that the Ice Ruins being in Decolora would have been mentioned.

I'm reminded of people thinking that Charon not getting arrested meant anything. How wrong were they.

when and were was this project F thing mentioned anyway? it could've been a reference to the games for all we know.

Project F was explicitly referenced in BW117 while Ghetsis was speaking to several Plasma Grunts via videophone, right after Project G (the Genesect Army) was mentioned. It is not tied to the Ice Ruins.

Charon not being arrested was either a lazy oversight or foreshadowing for something that had to be aborted after Black and White were announced that couldn't be repaired in time. "Project F" was deliberately inserted into BW117 and immediately followed a confirmed bit of foreshadowing with Project G. Not only that, actual details were given on it - that it involved gathering resources in East Unova, which could fit with the construction of the Plasma Frigate - which is something Charon's escape never received.

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Charon not being arrested was either a lazy oversight or foreshadowing for something that had to be aborted after Black and White were announced that couldn't be repaired in time.

It wasn't foreshadowing. Charon could have appeared in the Heatran episode, but he didn't. I doubt that the writers were surprised by Black and White's announcement.

"Project F" was deliberately inserted into BW117 and immediately followed a confirmed bit of foreshadowing with Project G. Not only that, actual details were given on it - that it involved gathering resources in East Unova, which could fit with the construction of the Plasma Frigate - which is something Charon's escape never received.

The Project G foreshadowing is highly misleading as Team Plasma won't have an actual role in the movie aside from a possible reference. N investigating the Genesect mystery only to forget about it isn't what I would call clever writing. It is not as if Ghetsis or Colress vowed to escape from jail for the sake of Project F's success, and we certainly didn't get any hint at a major Plasma character that was still at large.

Team Rocket's involvement with Rayquaza was a much more visible hint that never panned out. Granted, it was shown in the Pokémon World segment of Movie 9, but the point is that the writers have alluded to behind-the-scenes projects before for no reason other than to add a sense of mystery. Whatever happened to the event Cynthia was attending in the first Operation Tempest episode? What was that foreshadowing? And what was the point of Cynthia and Caitlin's conversation?

These small references aren't a big deal when you think of all the characters that haven't had their stories concluded.

I wasn't aware of this but it would make sense and would be interesting. But for further reference, are Team Plasma no longer involved with the genesect army? Because I don't know how it would fit in with the DA saga. Especially because the movie is already officially canonized by the genesect army's appearance in the anime.

You got it backwards.. The events of the movie still aren't necessary to have to understand the animé. You can totally skip the movie without having to deal with any plotholes that would mess up the animé at a later date. What makes movies canon is stuff that first happens in the movie, and then is referred to in the animé. Stuff like how Ash knew what a Latios was in the Sinnoh League, without having seen one aside from the Alto Mare Latios, or Dawn having a Lunar Wing in Darkrai vs. Cresselia, which she purchased in M10. What you're suggesting is no different then Ash capturing Oshawott, and using it in M14.

I don't think a movie can be canonized beforehand, UNLESS there was a stated line that said they are going to New Tork City in order to stop the Genesect Army. But there wasn't, and thus the movie is not canonized prior to the airing, and might in fact never be officially. Yes, they are connected, but it doesn't need to be seen as canon.

Originally Posted by Almighty Zard

when and were was this project F thing mentioned anyway? it could've been a reference to the games for all we know.

Cause the way it was implied I doubt these icy ruins are outside of Unova, cause if that's the case why not have Oak go there too while he's out here looking for rotom's?

Okay, I think you might have a good point about it simply being a reference to the games, and it would be nice to know that Ash didn't avert imminent crisis and just postponed it for a while. Ash can't save a region, crime continues after he has left. Thank god our hero isn't infallible.

As for Oak, I doubt he would be interested. Cedric is an excavating type of field researcher, while Oak really is just a lecturer that travels abroad sometimes to give lectures, or audits about his research.

I mean just look at the OS, Oak never seemed interested in an archeological site that was apparently just outside of Pallet Town, referring to Pokémopolis.. I doubt he would be interested in a ice cave in the middle of an archipelago.. Now that I think about it, there is an Ice Cave in the Sevii Islands.. Might be a reference as well.

Originally Posted by Kein

It wasn't foreshadowing. Charon could have appeared in the Heatran episode, but he didn't. I doubt that the writers were surprised by Black and White's announcement.

The Project G foreshadowing is highly misleading as Team Plasma won't have an actual role in the movie aside from a possible reference. N investigating the Genesect mystery only to forget about it isn't what I would call clever writing. It is not as if Ghetsis or Colress vowed to escape from jail for the sake of Project F's success, and we certainly didn't get any hint at a major Plasma character that was still at large.

Team Rocket's involvement with Rayquaza was a much more visible hint that never panned out. Granted, it was shown in the Pokémon World segment of Movie 9, but the point is that the writers have alluded to behind-the-scenes projects before for no reason other than to add a sense of mystery. Whatever happened to the event Cynthia was attending in the first Operation Tempest episode? What was that foreshadowing? And what was the point of Cynthia and Caitlin's conversation?

These small references aren't a big deal when you think of all the characters that haven't had their stories concluded.

What was Cynthia's and Caitlin's conversation about? Missed that.. Yeah.. Dat Rayquaza.. I freaking made up viable theories about operation Tempest including it, but of course it went nowhere other then Kami Trio-2parter, part deus.. I would've loved for Rayquaza to show up and that moment being referenced slightly. But like I said, I'm glad that Ash can't be saving the world every single time.

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Cynthia complimented Caitlin on how she and her Pokémon had overcome many challenges. It was a reference to the games where it was revealed that Caitlin was originally forbidden from battling since she had an explosive temper that would erupt if she lost a battle, causing her psychic powers to cause a lot of damage. The context of the anime conversation would have been very vague to anyone who wasn't already familiar with Caitlin from the games. But the strange part is that the anime strongly hinted that Caitlin had not really overcome her problems, as evidenced by her inner voice saying that she still felt extremely nervous during intense battles. If Caitlin had lost the battle, Cynthia might have been less than impresssed by Caitlin's anger management skills.

But the battle was interrupted and we'll most likely never see Caitlin again.

Cynthia complimented Caitlin on how she and her Pokémon had overcome many challenges. It was a reference to the games where it was revealed that Caitlin was originally forbidden from battling since she had an explosive temper that would erupt if she lost a battle, causing her psychic powers to cause a lot of damage. The context of the anime conversation would have been very vague to anyone who wasn't already familiar with Caitlin from the games. But the strange part is that the anime strongly hinted that Caitlin had not really overcome her problems, as evidenced by her inner voice saying that she still felt extremely nervous during intense battles. If Caitlin had lost the battle, Cynthia might have been less than impresssed by Caitlin's anger management skills.

But the battle was interrupted and we'll most likely never see Caitlin again.

I wish we'd gotten an episode about that. And episodes with Shauntal, Grimsley and Marshall. I hate it when they do all these random episodes like in DA! instead of episodes with interesting characters with a good back story like the E4, Benga, Shadow Triad. So much wasted potential there. Could've been some very interesting episodes that could be way better than a lot of the fillers we've had.

I love the people who are saying "It's a reference to the games" as an excuse. If they were referencing the games they would've said they were going to the giant chasm next. And Project f definitely isn't a reference. These are anime exclusive things. And Cynthia's chat with Caitlin was a reference to the games.

Last edited by diakyu; 23rd May 2013 at 3:44 PM.

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I love the people who are saying "It's a reference to the games" as an excuse. If they were referencing the games they would've said they were going to the giant chasm next. And Project f definitely isn't a reference. These are anime exclusive things. And Cynthia's chat with Caitlin was a reference to the games.

Reshiram was in the White Ruins instead of the Dragonspiral tower. Not much different. As for Project F, the idea is that Project G was Genesect, F could have been the Frigate.

I wouldn't go thinking another Plasma plot is particularly likely at any rate as Ash has now left Unova. Like it could happen since Decolora Adventure seems to have no other story to it, but it's doubtful at this time.