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so if i came up to you and shot your family dead and then pointed the gun at you do you really think its fair to say that when you rush at me and i shoot you dead that i was in the right because you were rushing at me? (hypothetical relax)

Regardless of who is right or wrong, anybody engaging in combat is a _______.

Hint: Nine letter word, starting with c

Splitting hairs.

They are "enemy combatants" and are somehow legally murdered because of it. In reality they are patriots and freedom fighters defending their family an country. The invading forces are the terrorists and enemies. Period.

The Afghans and Iraqis are doing the exact same thing any American or European would do if they were invaded.

But don't take that as I don't support our troops, I do. I come from a family of Marines. I just don't support the cause and believe it is 100% wrong.

But don't pay any attention to that. Just kill them if they pick up a gun and try to protect themselves from foreign attackers. Bomb their villages and kill the women and kids too. Call those murders "collateral damage" so you can sleep better at night.

In a few years, when the coalition get out with their tails between their legs, it will all go back to what it was before the invasion. Hamid Karzai will be given refuge in the West along with a few others, most of the supporters of the West will be dealt with harshly, let's hope not as harshly as in Cambodia.

Afghanistan will ally itself to China probably and they will get their hands on the Natural Resources.

America and the coalition will be counting the costs in terms of billions of debt and a lot of wasted lives.

And that's all that matters.

Bush will be lauded by the Right and America more despised by more people around the world.

They are "enemy combatants" and are somehow legally murdered because of it. In reality they are patriots and freedom fighters defending their family an country. The invading forces are the terrorists and enemies. Period.

The Afghans and Iraqis are doing the exact same thing any American or European would do if they were invaded.

But don't take that as I don't support our troops, I do. I come from a family of Marines. I just don't support the cause and believe it is 100% wrong.

You say you support the troops but you call them terrorists and enemies. Soldiers do what they are told, except in extreme cases like the guys pissing on corpses and the guy that went on a murdering rampage. Those are rare isolated cases.

You say you support the troops but you call them terrorists and enemies. Soldiers do what they are told, except in extreme cases like the guys pissing on corpses and the guy that went on a murdering rampage. Those are rare isolated cases.

I support them as brave and patriotic individuals, but not the cause they are sent to fight for and not the company / government they get their orders from. I actually feel sorry for them as they joined the military to do good (I hope) and instead are turned into murders and terrorists on foreign land. It's a bum deal and it is out of their control once they join, I understand that. They have to follow orders. But the hijackers on 9-11 just followed orders too. And they all have a choice to not pull a trigger or drop a bomb, even if that means they are punished. If I had to choose between being punished for not following orders or dropping a bomb into a village killing unarmed civilians, especially women and children, I would choose to be punished and discharged. There are some things I just do not want weighing on my soul, and killing innocent people, even if they are collateral damage, is not one of them. I prefer to remain a human being, not a soulless animal.

In the eyes of the Afghan people they are also the terrorists and enemy. There is no other way to say it. We are terrorists to them just as those who flew planes into our buildings are terrorists to us.

This does not mean ALL soldiers are bad. Just the ones who are over there killing for United States Inc. Being in Thailand we get LOTS of guys coming here for R&R and some of the stories they tell are just sickening. Haven't met one yet who thinks we're actually doing good in either country.

In a statement Monday, the Afghan Taliban pledged to "take revenge" against the "sick-minded American savages," according to the AFP news agency.

"The American 'terrorists' want to come up with an excuse for the perpetrator of this inhumane crime by claiming that this immoral culprit was mentally ill," the Taliban statement added. "If the perpetrators of this massacre were in fact mentally ill then this testifies to yet another moral transgression by the American military, because they are arming lunatics in Afghanistan who turn their weapons against the defenseless Afghans without giving a second thought."

lol come on man your friend went over there and got killed its not like he wasnt asking for it by going there in the first place and if youre so against people getting killed how can you so easily just say that millions and millions of innocent women and children and men should die in a nuclear explosion there?

yes im laughing at someone who flew halfway across the world as a trained killer to kill people and ended up getting killed...are you asking me to show sympathy that a murderer was killed in the process of trying to murder people? none shown. fuck him and every other soldier that went over there to terrorize the afghan people.

You say you support the troops but you call them terrorists and enemies. Soldiers do what they are told, except in extreme cases like the guys pissing on corpses and the guy that went on a murdering rampage. Those are rare isolated cases.

You mean like when 11 terrorists flew planes into the WTC buildings? Those were rare isolated cases. Why all of a sudden is every Afhgani your enemy?

Make a man kill and see the horrors of war and you think he is going to remain sane? The majority of soldiers dont die in battle or during the war at all but when they get home. Suicide is a massive problem amongst former service men.

You mean like when 11 terrorists flew planes into the WTC buildings? Those were rare isolated cases. Why all of a sudden is every Afhgani your enemy?

Why would every Afhgani be my enemy? None of them are that I know of. I dont even consider the Somalis to be my enemy although I'm not going back there to walk thru the market in Mogadishu and and shout, "Hey! Remember me?" - that would be suicidal.

The problem with terrorists is that they dont act under the authority of any country and they dont wear the uniform of any military. So each one that gets slaughtered is of course an innocent civilian. We arent in Afghanistan fighting the Afghanistan military. We're having to figure out who the coward terrorists are hiding with the women and children.

Why would every Afhgani be my enemy? None of them are that I know of. I dont even consider the Somalis to be my enemy although I'm not going back there to walk thru the market in Mogadishu and and shout, "Hey! Remember me?" - that would be suicidal.

The problem with terrorists is that they dont act under the authority of any country and they dont wear the uniform of any military. So each one that gets slaughtered is of course an innocent civilian. We arent in Afghanistan fighting the Afghanistan military. We're having to figure out who the coward terrorists are hiding with the women and children.

Could you do it better?

Have you ever done anything in your life?

It's really easy to stand back and point fingers though isnt it?

WOW ... now afghanis are terrorists ....

Make it simpler : Aside from the USA and ISRAEL, all other people are terrorists .

when the wars (Plural) came to my country, because the USA decided to invade/bomb/liberate, we were all force drafted

this basically means, armed men come for you and put you in a truck and give you a gun and make you fight the americans....if you don't you get shot in the face...

calling anybody a "combatant" or an "insurgent" is, in my point of view, being a low life scum bag...if for one second anybody thinks that all these people give a shit about the USA, its mickey mouse politics, its mickey mouse ideals, its "Freedoms" and all the other US propaganda shit then you are insane...

every single death caused by the presence of US troops on foreign soil is directly to be blamed on the US army and government...if you think anybody outside the USA and Israel see it any other way then you are insane...

nothing against the people of the USA, they are victims of their government just like the rest of the world is terrorized by the US gov....but a big "FUCK YOU" to all the people who support flying over half the world to bomb the shit out of some 3rd world country....

Why would every Afhgani be my enemy? None of them are that I know of. I dont even consider the Somalis to be my enemy although I'm not going back there to walk thru the market in Mogadishu and and shout, "Hey! Remember me?" - that would be suicidal.

The problem with terrorists is that they dont act under the authority of any country and they dont wear the uniform of any military. So each one that gets slaughtered is of course an innocent civilian. We arent in Afghanistan fighting the Afghanistan military. We're having to figure out who the coward terrorists are hiding with the women and children.

Could you do it better?

Have you ever done anything in your life?

It's really easy to stand back and point fingers though isnt it?

I'd rather be standing back and pointing fingers than be involved in the murder of innocent people. Why are you calling these people defending themselves terrorists? Do you even know what the word means? I'm guessing not.

Yeah I could do it better - I wouldn't be in Afghanistan in the first place.

Make it simpler : Aside from the USA and ISRAEL, all other people are terrorists .

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Originally Posted by moeloubani

I'd rather be standing back and pointing fingers than be involved in the murder of innocent people. Why are you calling these people defending themselves terrorists? Do you even know what the word means? I'm guessing not.

Yeah I could do it better - I wouldn't be in Afghanistan in the first place.

You two guys are just too stupid for me to talk to anymore. I'd take a guess that you're both from the same place as well.

1000s of individual stories of American soldiers, relief helpers, doctors, etc, etc doing extraordinary deeds to help civilians over there. The ignorant clowns outside of the US will find the handful of pieces of shit and...sigh..

although i like many things obama has done, doubling down on afganistan was a big mistake. As much as we want to help their country evolve out of poverty & lack of education, we can't. the cultural divide is far too big.

Karzai is a clown. 10 years of help from the USA & he has done nothing. As soon as we bail, he will fall. Its embarrasing having him as an ally. As useless as the shah of iran. The coming result will be the same, revolution.

as Animal Mother said in Full Metal Jacket - "if you ask me, we're killing the wrong gukes."

even though the taliban will win, we should be able to live with that. We were OK with communist vietnam. we were ok with the taliban until al queda got in their big punch.

as long as we remain vigilant against al queda, we should just get the fuck out & hit al queda, wherever they are, with SEALS & drones.