Re: improved track or aspect mastery?

you can get bitchy if you want but i said i want pure pve with the exception of aimed shot. i never said improve on my pvp build. i asked which would you think is better between improved track and aspect mastery.

Re: improved track or aspect mastery?

I dont really understand why people keep using points on Imp. Mend Pet?

20% lower mana cost
pff its nothing

Chance to remove 1 curse, disease, magic or poison effect every tick
I cant remember the last time a boss used an ability I could despell with Imp.MP,
so looking at it from a pure PvE viewpoint its a wasted talent since you will not be using it on boss`s.

About Invigoration & Cobra Strikes I am gonna use points on them, because Im a hunter and I never know what grp Im gonna be in,
and with my shottingspeed its real easy to dump my mana(Council / Illidan anyone?).
Alot of classes are getting mana-regen for the grp yes, but lets just see how that turns out first.
And remember if you go deep BM there shouldnt be point for Efficiency anymore which Invigoration & Cobra Strikes will help on.

To the OP:
Im going Aspect Mastery 5/5 it should be around 450AP and in heavy AOE fights you can switch to AotM to reduce some of the dmg.
I also think Beast Mastery is well werth 1 point that is costs, for now forget about exotic pets(no one knows what it means anyway) but think:
Pets have talent trees now... dont have asmany points as before... 5 more talent points thats pretty nice.

Re: improved track or aspect mastery?

i don't know what to get instead of improved mend. all the talents left up until that point suck. i need at least 1 point in something to move on to the next tier. i agree though that it isn't very useful overall. if improved mend and animal handler switched spots in the tree, it would be AMAZING.

like i said already beast mastery allows you to have 21 pet talent points instead of 16.. and in the ferocity tree, i only want 17 points and can easily do with just 1 less in order to have the talent elsewhere. i guess it also depends what the exotic animals bring to the table. right now i want to just stick with my cat.

Re: improved track or aspect mastery?

Dont agree at all that 5 extra points in the dps-pet tree is a waste of one talentpoint, rather its insanly nice.
I suspect every none BM-hunter in raids will spec;
T1; Cobra Reflexes: 2/2, Great Stamina: 1/3
T2; Spiked Collar: 3/3, Loyalty 2/2
T2; Avoidance: 2/3
T4; Spider's Bite: 3/3, Heart of the Phoenix: 1/1
T5; Rabid* 1/1, Call of the Wild* 1/1
Upgrading to Great Stamina: 2/3, Avoidance: 3/3, and adding Great Resistance: 3/3, will certainly come in handy to manage to keep the pet alive.

Though since MM is getting such a huge buff and the general nerf of the importance for hunterhaste, I suspect MM hunters will finally outdo BM hunters even without 250 haste.

When it comes to petchoice, the cat seems like a huge waste since prowl is worthless in raids.
Raptorskill seems to give the most dps.
Carrion bird is still extremly nice since it yields 1/2 extra imp. demo
Tallstrider seems to be op since the skill yields 30% xtra tank-avoidence, all bosses are bound to be immune to this.

Re: improved track or aspect mastery?

I think that Cobra Strikes plus Spider Bite will make for a noticeable increase in pet dps. So I would not skip it. Invigoration really cannot be judged yet, we do not know how the mana consumption of hunters is at all. Obviously for anyone willing to chaing chug mana pots and considering all the raid buffs that are so much more likely to be available in WLK than before (JoW and totem for one) it does seem that mana is unlikely to be a problem. As for mend pet, it really depends on whether you actually use it or not. I rarely use mend pet in a raid fight though often during trash and uptime so 2 points there are wasteful for my playstyle but they may well be necessary for someone whose pet keeps getting hurt.

Re: improved track or aspect mastery?

You can reduce the number of points in frenzy, and take animal handler.

And, we don't really know the pet talent trees yet, so it's early to tell how that'll work out.
If their trees are anything like ours, then they'll have the "good" talents at the bottom of the tree.
If so, beast mastery could be a very good talent.

Re: improved track or aspect mastery?

Originally Posted by FluffyWuffms

Cobra strikes is decent, but when you're on a talant point budget it's not worth it :\
Go For The Throat, ehh... possibly i already have the 100% focus regeneration go for the throat 2/2 is kinda over doing it 1/2 is okay.

But again, budget and im worried more my damage output more then my pets.

Re: improved track or aspect mastery?

Originally Posted by Romario

Clearly doesn't PvE alot, but that's ok!

Acctually I do. More so with my Shaman, but i do occassionaly use my hunter and i Know what makes it tick!

Right now all my pet does is Spam Claw and deffiantly crits a few times within 10 seconds keeping Ferocious Inspiration and Frenzy up. With Beastal discipline(100% focus regeneration) it never really runs out of focus OOF :P
continues on it's mary way ripping stuff up with claw. Not going "OOF" means i dont really need Go For The Throat. I might do 1/2 for 25 when i crit but 50 is deffinatly not needed. I can crit back to back. That'll keep focus up nicley.

Cobra Strikes! OK... it works off Arcane, Steady and Kill Shot, I'm using Steady Shot constantly. Cobra Strikes works off a crit from steady shot, about 30% chance to crit and if it crits and then there's a 60% chance Cobra strikes will activate, making my pets next 3 claw attacks crit WOW

Not really it isn't an amazing boost for me and my pets total damage. I do a lot more then my pet and I'd prefer to use those points along with the other few left to increase my attack power bonus from hawk by 150 and 5% all around damage just from tracking my target. Pew Pew!

But if mana is a major issue for some reason id use it with invigoration. giving me 6% mana every... ??? 12 seconds that's awsome for grinding! but when you're raiding you should have more Mp5 from buffs and you should keep mana potions handy.

Re: improved track or aspect mastery?

Even with all those smilies you aren't making sense.

More crits for your pet is a bigger uptime on FI and Frenzy, and maybe even allows us to go 3/5 in Frenzy.

Also, with all due respect, if you actually think it is funny to use 5 talent points for 150 AP on level 80....
Well, let's just say: You are an idiot in my opinion and you deserve a gkick or at least you never deserve to go beyond Karazhan, because that is the place for raiding MM hunters.

Yes, let's use the mana potions and de Xp5 mana buffs.
Why would we even use haste potions, agility food and AP-flasks when we could use those spots for mana?
Hell, why bother speccing Efficiency when we can waste precious buff-slots with mana things.
I wanna make a bet, and that is that my spec (that ensures you have mana) will outdamage any spec you can come up when we are fully buffed.

As my last point, if your pet doesn't go out of focus... Well, you do something wrong since my pet is always out of focus. And with those 60 and 80 focus abilities in wotlk, I really need more and more focus.