I thought it would be kinda fun to list things we would like to see in future TRON movies. I've thought up quite a few things.

1: Tron. He gets a bit part (pun intended) in Legacy. He has a much larger role in Uprising, but I would love to see him at his good ol '82 status as one of the main characters again.

2: Someone besides a Flynn (and Quorra included now) being digitized. What would Dillinger or Dillingjr look like on the Grid? How bout Alan? Which brings me to number 3...

3: Alan meets Tron. Alan doesn't fully grasp what his little security program has really done. He literally saved the world twice from a digital threat. Well, he sorta helped the second time, but still. Alan is oblivious to Tron's life on the grid. We know they have the technology to do it too.

4: The return of Kevin Flynn. He fun, he's hip, he's cool, he has a zen thing that gets messed with. Honestly, he's been my second favorite character through the whole franchise. I want him to come back and try to fix the Grid, because what happened WAS his fault. He wasn't seeing the problems CLU was having. He should have dealt with them, although we can't really blame him seeing what happened.

5: PLOT POINT: In Betrayal, the Sea of Simulation is poisoned so no other ISOs can form. I think this should be dealt with in some way. Quorra is still the last ISO. I should think she'd want to try to bring them back.

RE: What I want to see in TR3N.on Wednesday, November, 07, 2012 10:42 AM

KingJ.exe Wrote:6: Bit. I love bit. Bit is awesome.

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I'd like to get out into the wider system. I'd like to get away from the idea that this is a world Flynn created and back to the idea that it's a world that exists parallel to ours that Flynn happened to stumble into.

The franchise is called so I think a program named must have some role to play. Unfortunately, and I realize this is an unpopular position, Bridges, Boxleitner, and, alas, Ms. Morgan are aging out of their ability to play main characters in these stories (at least without leaps forward in CGI and de-aging technology). It's the program characters that are problematic; of course, Lora and Kevin and Alan can and should be played by the original actors in a continuation of the current narrative, as long as another sequel isn't too long in coming.

It's time, though, to introduce some new main characters; if we step away from and outside of the server in Flynn's basement, it's not just wise but necessary to introduce new characters.

De-emphasize the magical-ness of the ISOs. It's enough that there's an alternate universe where computational processes in our world manifest as fully-realized, human-like entities. Trying to make some programs extra-super-special is answering a question that never needed to be asked.

Try to construct an interesting computer world where programs have rich internal lives, and whose activities extend beyond killing each other with frisbees and scifi motorcycles. (Though there ought to be some of that too. )

Finally, I wouldn't object to a reboot. (In which case we could start calling TR3N TR0N. That's a zero. See what I did there?) An interesting approach to a reboot would be live-action sequences for the "real" world, and all CGI for the computer world.

Whatever turn the story takes, please use computer scientists and metaphysicians as technical advisors.

What do you call a program who brings a disc to a light cycle battle? Derezzed.

RE: What I want to see in TR3N.on Wednesday, November, 07, 2012 11:44 AM

emdeesee Wrote:I'd like to get out into the wider system. I'd like to get away from the idea that this is a world Flynn created and back to the idea that it's a world that exists parallel to ours that Flynn happened to stumble into.

Agree.

emdeesee Wrote:It's time, though, to introduce some new main characters

Agree.

emdeesee Wrote:De-emphasize the magical-ness of the ISOs.

Disagree. If only to show that "The Grid" is not only a parallel universe, but a universe that can "create" as well. The fact that the grid has "most" real-world counterparts like the lightsub, lightcopter, lighttank, lightcar, lightjet, lighttrain, and several types of lightcycles, it would certainly help "the universe" if the Grid can spawn it's own creations not based on the "mind of kevin flynn". The ISOs are an important step in that direction, and can lead to a "more truer" alternate universe. Only My Opinion of course.

emdeesee Wrote:Finally, I wouldn't object to a reboot.

Sort of agree. However, my idea of a reboot would be a "new TRON" and let the storyline continue from there. Obviously, that's not Beck. A reboot could include a new villain that is not CLU, like possibly another user like Mr. Dillinger, Jr and/or his doppleganger.

I'd still like to see the "Grid" quarantined off the internet as a totally alternate universe that consists as programs as self-aware entities, but still see Tr3n (or Tr0n) move in the same direction as our new technologies. The "real-world" problem is that "real" stand-alone programs themselves are disappearing, being replaced by cloud frameworks. I'm not sure how to apply the "new real-world technology" to "Programs running on The Grid".

For example, Google Drive is a cloud alternative to Office with no "discrete programs" per se. Facebook is a platform, not a program. Accounting and Customer Management are now mostly cloud services. Netflix/Itunes/iBooks are media servers. Twitter/Yammer/Email are communication platforms. My "Banking App" includes bill pay services, etc... Stand-alone programs seem all but gone now...

How do we apply all this new real-world tech of connectivity and communication to the concept of "Tron the security program protecting and servicing the grid" and "Users who write programs can be on the same level as programs in the grid"? A reboot is required for this, but I don't have enough imagination to see how this is possible, but still preserve the whole Tron storyline. Someone bring on Tr3n, LOL!on line abortion pill misoprostol dose abortion medical abortion pill onlinewhere to buy abortion pill ordering abortion pills to be shipped to house buy abortion pill online

RE: What I want to see in TR3N.on Wednesday, November, 07, 2012 8:05 PM

emdeesee Wrote:

KingJ.exe Wrote:6: Bit. I love bit. Bit is awesome.

Yes! This...

Also:

All of this. Although I do still want mah Tron and I'm not sure I'd be big on an entire character reboot without anyone we recognize. Yet I also am not all that enamored of the de-aging CGI. Unfortunately, they waited too long to re-start the franchise, and now they're either going to have to continue artificially, or bow out gracefully with some dignity. We don't want Tron to be the Joan Rivers of films, facelifted so many times you're not sure what's real anymore and what's just desperate hanging-on...

I agree that the 'net should be out, though. There are amazing things you can do with it, but it would be way too damn easy for the story to get out of control. There are SO MANY amazing things you could do with the internet angle that you could make decades worth of movies and not cover it all. Probably a can of worms best unopened. And then they're stuck coming up with a plausible explanation for why we're watching a story about a system not on the 'net, and...

renderinfo2 Wrote:

emdeesee Wrote:De-emphasize the magical-ness of the ISOs.

Disagree. If only to show that "The Grid" is not only a parallel universe, but a universe that can "create" as well. The fact that the grid has "most" real-world counterparts like the lightsub, lightcopter, lighttank, lightcar, lightjet, lighttrain, and several types of lightcycles, it would certainly help "the universe" if the Grid can spawn it's own creations not based on the "mind of kevin flynn". The ISOs are an important step in that direction, and can lead to a "more truer" alternate universe. Only My Opinion of course.

Disagreeing with your disagree. Why does the Grid need to "create"? The whole point, I thought, is that it is a world WE created. And we've had discussions here on what that may mean as far as our responsibilities as creators. (Besides, all of the parallel stuff on the Grid is there because someone wrote it to mimic our world, which is why digital jets can stall. It's not just spontaneously like that, a big surprise-- Flynn WROTE tanks in T82 and that's why they exist within the Encom system. But the Isos are something even Flynn had no idea about, so there's really no comparison between the two.)

In addition, the point of the Grid is that it's special BECAUSE it's a whole world inside a computer. It doesn't need anything more. It's awesome simply because it exists. To think that it DOES need more to be cool cheapens it, as well as making it seem like we were naive to think it was a cool concept in T82. That would be like if we decided Star Wars needs to add rainbow glittery Indigo Child psychic magnetic unicorns to the character lineup because the fact that it's FRIGGING OUTER SPACE isn't nifty enough.

I always felt the Isos were sort of hokey, stretching the plausibility factor, and diverting the storyline. One of the big complaints here about T:L is that they cheated-- they created a computer world that Flynn could make any way he wanted, including just like ours, so they wouldn't have to deal with the "inconvenience" of having to show what a functioning computer environment actually looks like and they could just write whatever story they wanted and the setting would almost been incidental-- but the whole point of Tron is that that's what we WANTED-- we wanted someone to use their imagination and tell us what it might be like in there when we transfer a file, or make a backup, or whatever. If we wanted to watch a story about the way things work in the "real world," that's why we have the majority of other movies out there. They came up with the Isos and that was yet another thing to keep track of that moved us further away from the original concept.

I like the program story. I don't need anything more, bells and whistles and spontaneously-generating characters. I'd need a hell of a lot of more of the "computer world" storyline before I'd be bored enough that I'd need additions to keep me interested.

RE: What I want to see in TR3N.on Thursday, November, 08, 2012 9:25 AM

Kat Wrote:I agree that the 'net should be out, though. There are amazing things you can do with it, but it would be way too damn easy for the story to get out of control. There are SO MANY amazing things you could do with the internet angle that you could make decades worth of movies and not cover it all. Probably a can of worms best unopened. And then they're stuck coming up with a plausible explanation for why we're watching a story about a system not on the 'net, and...

I'm not sure that opening that can of worms is bad thing; you don't have to tell all the stories. Just pick one and tell it well. Leaving stories to tell lets the franchise expand, and gives us, the fans, stories we can tell ourselves. That's a hallmark of a vital franchise, IMHO.

One of the attractions of T82 is that the Flynn/Alan/Lora world very closely resembles the world of the time, creating verisimilitude within which the Flynn/Tron/Yori/Ram world can seem plausible. If you want to move the F/A/L world 30 years into the future and bring the F/T/Y/R world along, which I do, you have to account for the changes we see in our world to maintain that verisimilitude.

What do you call a program who brings a disc to a light cycle battle? Derezzed.

RE: What I want to see in TR3N.on Thursday, November, 08, 2012 9:32 AM

Kat Wrote:That would be like if we decided Star Wars needs to add rainbow glittery Indigo Child psychic magnetic unicorns to the character lineup because the fact that it's FRIGGING OUTER SPACE isn't nifty enough.

*cough*midichlorians*cough*

What do you call a program who brings a disc to a light cycle battle? Derezzed.

RE: What I want to see in TR3N.on Thursday, November, 08, 2012 10:20 AM

renderinfo2 Wrote:For example, Google Drive is a cloud alternative to Office with no "discrete programs" per se. Facebook is a platform, not a program. Accounting and Customer Management are now mostly cloud services. Netflix/Itunes/iBooks are media servers. Twitter/Yammer/Email are communication platforms. My "Banking App" includes bill pay services, etc... Stand-alone programs seem all but gone now...

To me, the whole idea of the cloud makes storytelling easier, because the boundary between one system and the next is much murkier. The cloud model more closely resembles 1982 mainframe computing that anything we've seen in the last decade or so. In fact, a particularly interesting development is that computing devices that are far more powerful than mainframes Encom would have used in 1982 are implemented entirely in software now. Virtual machines are Gridception™.

FWIW the one-to-one relationship between users/programmers and programs has been bogus from day zero. You just have to hold your nose and ignore it.

What do you call a program who brings a disc to a light cycle battle? Derezzed.

RE: What I want to see in TR3N.on Thursday, November, 08, 2012 11:55 PM

emdeesee Wrote:I'm not sure that opening that can of worms is bad thing; you don't have to tell all the stories. Just pick one and tell it well. Leaving stories to tell lets the franchise expand, and gives us, the fans, stories we can tell ourselves. That's a hallmark of a vital franchise, IMHO.

Sorry, I probably should have been more clear. I just think there would be too many threads to keep track of. You go onto the 'net. Then what? Do you hang out on Facebook or eBay? Are there international programs so you meet up with programs from Germany and China and how would you work with them? Is your threat a virus, phishing, or Anonymous? Etc. There are so many factors to explain when it comes to the internet-- some of which simply can't be ignored-- that I just think it'd make waaaay too huge of a story.

emdeesee Wrote:FWIW the one-to-one relationship between users/programmers and programs has been bogus from day zero. You just have to hold your nose and ignore it.

I just tell myself that the programs we see in T82 are personal programs written for very specific purposes, so it's plausible that they're stand-alone and won't have clones marketed all over the world. Yori was made to work specifically with the digitizing laser. Clu was Flynn's personal hacking program. Tron, knowing Alan, may have been created specifically to stick it to the MCP rather than with any commercial intentions. Etc.

Where it starts getting murky is when you get into programs like Ram and Crom, who came from elsewhere and probably WERE commercial programs who may have versions at other banks/insurance companies. Not to mention the classic question of how and why their companies were hooked into the Encom servers to begin with.

Simple answer to that. They weren't. The MCP was already accessing outside systems. How, they don't tell us. But he talked about going after the Pentagon next, if you remember. Who knows? ENCOM was the cutting edge. Maybe they were among the first to use the Internet to some degree.

Which I don't think will be that big of a problem. Establish how websites and servers work, yeah, but you don't have to explore every option. Other options and questions could possibly be explored in another film or even a new TV series, maybe one that is kinda a sequel to Uprising. What I'm saying is we've seen how the computer world looked and worked in 82 and 89, but now show us how it works in 2012, 13, 14, etc. computing has changed a lot. Show us how that translates.

Another thing I wanted in future TRON instalments: Some sort of Uprising reference. Let Beck be a main character maybe, or at least reference him. We have a fantastic show that has answered a lot of questions and added to the TRON world in so many ways, it at least deserves as much as Evolution got, which didn't add nearly as much.

RE: What I want to see in TR3N.on Saturday, November, 10, 2012 11:29 AM

KingJ.exe Wrote:Another thing I wanted in future TRON instalments: Some sort of Uprising reference. Let Beck be a main character maybe, or at least reference him. We have a fantastic show that has answered a lot of questions and added to the TRON world in so many ways, it at least deserves as much as Evolution got, which didn't add nearly as much.

Evolution only got a mention in the movie, and as far as we know that was retconned seeing how Quorra didnd't reach Flynns safe house after the beginning of the purge, for all we know the program she mentions could had been Ada , the Iso that was traveling with her at the time

In Tron 3 I would like to see Tron and Beck as fighting together to help Sam and they should not only get a lot of screentime but be essential to the plot .

RE: What I want to see in TR3N.on Wednesday, November, 14, 2012 7:18 PM

Things I'd like to see:

If Flynn is in the next movie, bring a bit of that childishness back too. Flynn was like a big kid in the original, in legacy he was almost a manic depressive with no spark. Yeah, he took some knocks but the spark was gone.

Flynn shaved, the beard made him look 10 years older, and a haircut too, what is it with old guys and long hair?

A bit more magic on the grid, the more I've seen Legacy the more I like it, but things like the Recognizers and Light-cycles having moving parts. Programs derezzing , in the original it was all magical, it was pure energy, we didn't need to see how they worked, it was a different world. Legacy is a bit too down to earth for me. Maybe they simplified it for the newer audience? I don't think they needed to cos people nowadays know about computers and have seen far fetched movies, and are far more willing to accept that some things in movies just don't need explaining.

And finally (for now) I'd like to see Flynn back in the real world, back in his arcade, cleaned up (along with the neighbourhood) with the jukebox banging out Journey with Flynn and Sam getting that team game they talked about the night Flynn disappeared.

RE: What I want to see in TR3N.on Wednesday, November, 14, 2012 8:29 PM

LORD_Z3DD Wrote:

KingJ.exe Wrote:Another thing I wanted in future TRON instalments: Some sort of Uprising reference. Let Beck be a main character maybe, or at least reference him. We have a fantastic show that has answered a lot of questions and added to the TRON world in so many ways, it at least deserves as much as Evolution got, which didn't add nearly as much.

Evolution only got a mention in the movie, and as far as we know that was retconned seeing how Quorra didnd't reach Flynns safe house after the beginning of the purge, for all we know the program she mentions could had been Ada , the Iso that was traveling with her at the time

In Tron 3 I would like to see Tron and Beck as fighting together to help Sam and they should not only get a lot of screentime but be essential to the plot .

I can conceive of an idea that would make both of them canon. Flynn did say he was opposing CLU and it didn't do much good. We don't know how much time happens between Clu's coup and Uprising.

cluless Wrote:And finally (for now) I'd like to see Flynn back in the real world, back in his arcade, cleaned up (along with the neighbourhood) with the jukebox banging out Journey with Flynn and Sam getting that team game they talked about the night Flynn disappeared.

RE: What I want to see in TR3N.on Thursday, November, 15, 2012 7:59 PM

I think Flynn's hair when he's older is essentially the same as when he disappeared, right? Just... whiter? (How one maintains one's hairstyle in the Grid is probably along the same lines as the "where did the dinner come from" conundrum-- who knows.)

cluless Wrote:And finally (for now) I'd like to see Flynn back in the real world, back in his arcade, cleaned up (along with the neighbourhood) with the jukebox banging out Journey with Flynn and Sam getting that team game they talked about the night Flynn disappeared.