BTRVETC-L Digest Volume 98 : Issue 33
20 May 1998
Today's Topics:
MESHACK TURNER ABT. 1729 - BEF 1794
Re: BTRVETC-L Digest V98 #32
Re: BTRVETC-L Digest V98 #31
Too Good to Be True
Admin: Message Size
Hoax
James H. Turner, PhD
Hoax Again
RE: BTRVETC-L Digest V98 #32
Re: BTRVETC-L Digest V98 #31
Burnett Crest and Coat of Arms
Highland Games
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 11:12:04 EDT
From: LDRAM2058
To: BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org
Subject: MESHACK TURNER ABT. 1729 - BEF 1794
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SOME INFORMATION THAT I FOUND ON MESHACK WHICH MIGHT BE OF INTEREST TO TURNER
RESEARCHERS.
MESHACK TURNER
ABT.1729-BEF. 1794
MESHACK AND REBEKAH WERE MEMBERS OF THE BAPTIST CHURCH.
In the book 'A History of The Georgia Baptist Association 1784-1984' Meshack
is mentioned on pages 455, 489 and 492 as follows: PAGE 455 'Ebenezer Baptist
Church . . located in Wilkes County . . was constituted in 1787 as Ebenezer
Creek according to early historian John Asplund. From the minutes 'Stephen
Gafford was received into the Phillips Mill Baptist Church on February 9,
1787. On June 12, 1790, he applied to the church "to know if it is agreeable
to them that he continue to preach the Gospel which was unanimously agreed to.
. ." On March 10, 1792, the minutes mention a problem between Gafford and
David Ellington, then a supply paster at Ebenezer: "The case between Stephen
Gafford and David Ellington being taken up and debated on both sides was
referred to be (unclear word) at the conference at Ebenezer next Friday and
tha Jacob Merce, William Parker, MESHACK TURNER, Samuel Whatley, John
Robertson and Silas Mercer be appointed as helps to attend said conference."
The case is further mentioned in the October 4 and 13 conferences in 1792. At
the latter conference Gafford was accused of 'publickly exposing the Brethren
without dealing with them in a Gospel way and flatly contradicting himself.'
This statement seems to be referring to Gafford as pastor and 'Brethren' as
the Ebenezer membership.
PAGE 489 Phillips Mill Church. 'This church was constituted June 10, 1785, at
the home of George Lea, a charter member. A prior meeting was held at the
same place on May 7 "inorer to consider what would be best for us to do in
conference concluded that it would be best for us to be constituted in order
to keep uo a Godly Gospel, discipline for God's glory and our happiness.
Accordingly we sent for our belove brethern Sanders Walker and Pt\eter Smith."
These two ministers met with 16 people on June 10, examined them, and declared
them "to be a church accoring to Gospel order." The 16, recommended by
letters from other churches, were: Silas Mercer, MESHACK TURNER, William
Parker, George Lea, Owen Fluker, Jesse Tolbert, Doras Mercer, REBEKAH TURNER,
Elizabeth Parker, Lucy Lea, Eliabeth Moncrief, Sarah Fluker, Florannah
Winkfield, Ann Winkfield, Nancy Glass and Mary Leverette. This information,
taken from church minutes, relates that they "had formerly been baptised upon
a profession of faith and had come from different parts of the state and
settled on Little River near Phillips Mill." Some accounts later relate that
the church was formed in the mill. Church records do not confirm this.
PAGE 492 "Some early practices of the church are worth noting. Minutes
record the following on February 9, 1787: 'Chose Thos Mercer and MESHACK
TURNER for Ruling Elders - George Lea and MESHACK TURNER for Deacons - their
examination and ordination postponed until next meeting. Few churches had
ruling elders; in early Georgia this is the only instance known when the same
man was both a deacon and a ruling elder.
HOPE THIS HELPS OTHERS.
LADONNA
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 08:24:51 -0700
From: Jim Fina
To: BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org
Subject: Re: BTRVETC-L Digest V98 #32
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Color me cynical but there's a misspelling in the message (from
Microsoft?) and the return address is nonexistent.
Jim Fina
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 13:09:04 -0400
From: BFBonham
To: BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org
Subject: Re: BTRVETC-L Digest V98 #31
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Don't you people realize a SPAM SCAM when you see it.
STOP SENDING THIS TO ME and REMOVE ME FROM THIS LIST!
Barbara Farthing Bonham
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 14:42:47 -0400
From: "Steven Miller"
To:
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I concur with those who believe this is spam scam. It's just another form
of a chain letter, and at best it is providing e-mail addresses to people
we don't want to hear from. At worst, it is sending a virus around. If it
seems to good to be true, it usually is.
Penny Proctor Miller
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 15:11:59 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Christine E. Gaunt"
To: BTRVETC-L@Genealogy.org
Subject: Admin: Message Size
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Hi, Folks,
Yikes, that was a large chain letter we received! And yes, it was a
complete hoax. There is no way to track email like that.
As one way of reducing the impact of something like this on our little
list, I've reduced the maximum message size to 50K, including headers.
Please, if you receive a message that urges you to forward it on, check
to see if it is a hoax listed on a site such as the following:
http://www.datafellows.com/news/hoax.htm
http://www.umich.edu/~wwwitd/virus-busters/index.html
Thanks,
Chris
Christine Gaunt, cgaunt@umich.edu or gaunt@genealogy.org
Campbell-L and BTRVETC-L listowner
Co-compiler of Genealogy Resources on the Internet
Web: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~cgaunt/gen_int1.html
File (2.4M): via autoreply from gresinet.txt@genealogy.org
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 13:54:24 -0700
From: jbbork@ix.netcom.com
To: BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org
Subject: Hoax
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I am extremely sorry for the problems that the Bill Gates Hoax has
caused all of us. My grandson got into my email address and thought he
was going to make a fast dollar, UN-BEKNOWN TO ME. He now knows the
problems he has caused and the embarrassment that I am experiencing.
Again, to all that received the message from my email address, I am so
sorry, please forgive me. I'll keep my email under lock and key now. I
did not realize how dangerous it could be to fall into the wrong hands.
/s/ June
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 17:05:35 -0400
From: "Ann N. Hughes"
To:
Subject: James H. Turner, PhD
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James H. Turner, Ph.D. author of Cathell-Rangeley Turner, A Family History,
died December 23, 1997, Port St. John, Brevard County, Florida.
He was a good friend and an excellent historian and genealogist. We will
miss him.
Ann Turner Nolen Hughes
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 14:04:05 -0700
From: jbbork@ix.netcom.com
To: BTRVETC-l@genealogy.org
Subject: Hoax Again
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I forgot to give you this address to check out future hoaxes. Everyone
should have it:
http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html
http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html#billgates
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Date: Sun, 17 May 1998 20:30:02 -0500
From: "Kevin K. Stephenson"
To: "'BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org'"
Subject: RE: BTRVETC-L Digest V98 #32
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Hi guys!
I wanted to write and let you all know that the "Bill Gates" message was
totally bogus. I work for Comp USA, and this message was discussed by
Microsoft in one of our update letters as being totally false. Think about
it...do ya suppose ol' Bill got to be the richest man in the world by giving
stuff away?
Kevin K. Stephenson
1600 Kentucky St. #2
Lawrence, Kansas 66044
(785)865-1586
Fax/Data: (785)865-2555
e-mail: kevinS@ukans.edu
website: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~kevin2/homepage.html
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 05:31:10 PDT
From: "Nancy Avis"
To: BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org
Subject: Re: BTRVETC-L Digest V98 #31
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This is fake, I received a similar message several months ago.
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Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 22:05:21 -0500
From: "Kevin K. Stephenson"
To: "'Burnett Family Newsgroup'"
Subject: Burnett Crest and Coat of Arms
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Nyla and the gang...
Hi! I've spent the last few days visiting with my 98-year-old great-uncle,
Milton Burnett, whose picture is on my website. We travelled around the state
of Kansas visiting various Burnett gravesites and discussing the history of the
family. One stop was at the Jacobs house south of Ellinwood, Kansas, built by
Milton's mother's parents in 1900. The current owners invited us in for a
tour, and Milton saw the house again for the first time since he stayed there
for a visit, in 1904. I really enjoyed spending the time with him, and the
changes he's seen in his lifetime are staggering!
We also visited with some second cousins, Mr. and Mrs. William H. Burnett of
Topeka, and Mr. Burnett gave me the following clipping from a 1947 magazine
article. The article discusses the Burnett family, the Crest, and the Coat of
Arms, and makes for some interesting reading.
Enjoy it, and please let me know if you discover any inaccuracies in it!
Kevin K. Stephenson
1600 Kentucky St. #2
Lawrence, Kansas 66044
(785)865-1586
Fax/Data: (785)865-2555
e-mail: kevinS@ukans.edu
website: http://falcon.cc.ukans.edu/~kevin2/homepage.html
The Burnett Family Crest and Coat-of-Arms
>From "Burnett Coat-of-Arms" by Mabel Louise Keech, Hobbies magazine, December
1947, Page 154.
Holly leaves are in several Coats-of-Arms, crests, as well as shields. The
Burnett family was granted holly leaves(a part of the Scottish Royal Arms) by
Robert Bruce, for their outstanding service in helping him establish the
independence of Scotland.
Bruce also granted large tracts of land to "William of Irwine and Alexander
Burnard", and they "were seated on the banks of the Dee". March 25, 1323, a
charter was given Alexander Burnard, and because of the final location, the
family was designated as "Burnetts of Leys."
The spellings of the name from time to time were Burnard, Burnet, Burnate,
Bornate, Bunet, and Burnett. The Coat-of-Arms, which is registered at the H
erald's Office in Edinburgh, is recorded by Burke in his General Armory, as
BURNETT.
A later Alexander Burnet of Leys became the first "Baron of Leys", holding
the title from 1454 to 1505, during the reigns of James II, III, and IV.
In 1573, another Alexander Burnet was called first Baronet of Leys, and was
succeeded by his son Robert, Lord Crimond. Among his sons was Gilbert, Bishop
of Salisbury. Gilbert, by his second wife Maria Scot, had a son, William, who
was educated at Trinity College, University of Cambridge, as a "gentleman
commoner". William came to America, and was Governor of New York and New
Jersey in 1720, and of Massachusetts and New Hampshire in 1728. Governor
Burnet died in Boston September 19, 1729.
Other descendants of the Bishop of Salisbury who came to this country were
those of the South Carolina branch. Andrew was in that section in 1752. He
married Sabina, daughter of the Rev. John Baxter. Allied families were
Washington, Ball, Rhett, Witherspoon, Heyward, Rutledge, Whitaker, and, of
course, many others...
Another very early branch in this country is represented by the descendants
of Thomas who settled in Lynn, Mass., and moved to Southampton, L.I., in 1643.
He had a son Dan, who resided in Elizabethtown, N.J.; he had Ichabod who was
educated in Edinburgh; and he had Ichabod Jr., an eminent physician, and Dr.
William, surgeon-general in the Revolutionary War.
Dr. William was married twice, and had a large family. Three who are written
of most are Jacob, Isaac, and David, all lawyers. Dr. William was a legislator
in New Jersey, and a delegate to the General Congress of 1780. During the war
he established a military hospital in Newark, N.J., for the sick and wounded
soldiers.
Jacob was educated at Princeton College (later University), when John
Witherspoon was president. He went "west" to Cincinnati when it was a small
town-a few families and many bachelors. He practiced law there, and was
influential in all civic affairs, and in building a larger community. Many
descendants still live in that area.
David Governeur Burnett, also son of William, and carrying his mother's
maiden name, went "far west" to Texas. He was elected President Ad Interim of
the Republic of Texas in 1836, later Vice-President, and Secretary of State.
He was also elected a U.S. Senator, but was not seated.
The Coat of Arms
Argent three holly leaves in chief vert and a hunting horn in base sables,
garnished and stringed gules. Crest: A dexter hand with a pruning knife
pruning a vine tree proper. Motto: Virescit vulnere virtus.
The above description of the Burnett Armorial Bearing, is registered in
Burke's General Armory, and confirmed in Fairbairn's Book of Crests; also found
in Scottish and American books where the Burnett family is featured. Burke
records Arms for 15 different Burnett families, and only one-the Irish
family-is entirely different. The 14 of Scotland, residing in different
counties and cities, have slight differences.
Translated into non-heraldic terms, the Coat-of-Arms is described as follows:
A silver (argent) shield, in the upper part (chief) of which are three green
(vert) holly leaves; and in the lower part (base), a black (sable) hunting horn
with red (gules) strings and decorations. The crest is a right (dexter) hand
holding a pruning knife, pruning a vine; these are all of natural color, or
"proper".
The holly leaves have already been mentioned as a grant from Robert Bruce,
sharing with him the symbols on the Royal Arms for services to him and the
country.
The hunting horn is a memento of the chase, and denotes one who is fond of
high pursuits, as the chase was anciently reckoned, next to war to be the most
"noble employment".
All fruit is symbolic of liberality, felicity, and peace; but a special
design such as this crest, must have had some specific meaning to the first
family, not in print.
Colors are representative of the personal characteristics of the original
bearer, granted only if he be worthy. Silver signifies sincerity and peace;
the other colors are the natural colors of the symbols and do not carry the
regular meanings of those colors.
The motto is translated: "Virtue flourishes from a wound", and is used by ten
other families. There are other mottos for the Burnetts as well.
The information contained in this article was drawn from the following sources:
The Family of Burnett of Leys from MSS of George Burnett, LLD., Lyon King
of Arms, 1901. (Lyon King of Arms is the one who has charge of recording
all
Scottish Coats.)
Scottish Arms, Stoddard, 1881.
County Genealogies, Pedigrees of Berkshire, Berry.
History and Antiquities of Boston, Drake.
Annals of King's Chapel, pub. Boston.
Early Settlers of America, Wittemore.
Hall Family.
Whipple, Wright, and Allied Families.
Burnap-Burnet Genealogy, Henry Wyckoff Belknap.
The Burnett Genealogy, Edgar A. Burnett
Heraldic Journal
America Heraldics, Vermont.
General Armory, Burke.
Book of Crests, Fairbairn.
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Date: Wed, 20 May 1998 13:53:26 -0400
From: Jerry Baker
To: BTRVETC-L@genealogy.org
Subject: Highland Games
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Hello All.
I would like to know if anyone is going to the Glasgow Highland Games
in Kentucky, and if anyone knows if there will be a Burnett tent set up.
I hope to make it this will be my first game. If anyone know a answer
to the questions I have asked please let me know. I hope everyone has a
nice Memorial Day.
--
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