tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16097574.post7470528230101439726..comments2018-03-10T21:18:47.895+01:00Comments on Prostitution in the Netherlands: Frits RouvoetDonkeyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06456854894416544989noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16097574.post-60597227439031707242013-08-19T23:11:02.896+02:002013-08-19T23:11:02.896+02:00Well, anybody so stupid to believe in a god and in...Well, anybody so stupid to believe in a god and in a religion will also accept the &quot;traffick myth&quot;. I don&#39;t know André but there are many as him here too (specially women, and from left wing parties). They &quot;see&quot; what we don&#39;t see but is also interesting to notice that they don&#39;t see what we see... hmmm...<br /><br />I think André is right. Yeah. He is doing well bcause his words dont target the ones who know the prostitution but those who dont know it (if there is sth i know as good as prostitution is politic). The bigger and more incredible the lie is, the better. The work of politicians is to lie so he is doing his work fuckin good, damnit!<br /><br />PS: pimps really frighten, beat and even kill prostitutes. There have been several of the main sws activists killed by them as Sandra Cabrera was.<br />http://www.redtrasex.org/AMMAR-remembered-Sandra-Cabrera.htmlCliente Xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14897111607394349488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16097574.post-44744887298581453942013-08-10T00:54:59.112+02:002013-08-10T00:54:59.112+02:00My girlfriend has worked for 4 years now in Hollan...My girlfriend has worked for 4 years now in Holland, and still doesn&#39;t speak Dutch.<br />I know many Romanian girls who&#39;ve worked here for more than 10 or 15 years, and they still don&#39;t speak a word Dutch.<br /><br />That&#39;s simply because Dutch is the 2nd most difficult language in the world (after Chinese which is the first). All the Romanian girls say that Dutch is extremely difficult.<br /><br />And do you seriously believe that those guys are gonna kill people, or set houses on fire, just to keep one girl working for them? This is just lies. Pimps would never take such a risk for one stupid girl, especially because if they catch them in Romania, they go to the jail for a very, very long time.<br />These guys are not stupid.<br /><br /><br />And perhaps the reason why he contradicts himself, is because he really doesn&#39;t know. Girls don&#39;t want to talk generally to people coming over to their windows. Many girls who&#39;ve talked in the past, even to the police, got in trouble later for that. <br />I think he&#39;s trying very hard to prove things, which I admire, but he has trouble gaining trust from the women, and starts filling in things by himself, in order to keep the image of the organization he is working for intact.<br /><br />No girl which I&#39;ve spoken to (which are quite a few by now), ever heard or seen Frits, heard something about his organization or any organization or anyone that does anything like he does.Mark van der Beerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05732130514765417306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16097574.post-64172181631168957842013-08-08T13:11:23.564+02:002013-08-08T13:11:23.564+02:00I think everything is possible. Because the Romani...I think everything is possible. Because the Romanian woman has worked in prostitution in the Netherlands for some time, she has learned the Dutch language a bit, because she has to speak with the clients.<br /><br />What I read a lot on rechtspraak.nl, is that the pimps order the prostitutes to go to the brothel owners themselves, and to arrange a workplace themselves. The pimps indeed don&#39;t want the brothel owners to see them. The reason why the women don&#39;t flee is because the pimps threaten the women to do all kinds of things to them or their family, like killing or beating up family members, setting the house on fire, etc.....<br /><br />Yes, it is interesting why Frits Rouvoet says most women are coerced, while he describes most of the women he actually meets as being independent. That&#39;s a contradiction. It could be that he simply doesn&#39;t mention many of the forced prostitutes he meets, for whatever reason.Donkeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06456854894416544989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16097574.post-82779121160445629492013-08-07T22:50:35.953+02:002013-08-07T22:50:35.953+02:00Secondly, in this letter she also says that a coup...Secondly, in this letter she also says that a couple brought her to Amsterdam, and forced her to work behind the windows in Amsterdam.<br /><br />Knowing how difficult it is to get started here (from my girlfriend who is also from Romania), how difficult the office where the girls rent their rooms are, when they first want to get a room, I also wonder why she was never able to flee?<br />For her work she needs her paspoort, and cash money. Why didn&#39;t she just leave when she came to work? They don&#39;t allow any other people in the office. And also the police is looking very much for people who look very much at girls, but never go inside, because of human trafficking. <br /><br />So I wonder why that part of the letter skips these things so easily, when it clearly wasn&#39;t easy.<br /><br />I mean to stress that I&#39;m not questoining the motives of Frits himself, but rather the wholes and mistakes in the letters. It makes me wonder how reliable the letter is.<br /><br />Although I do have to say that Frits does have the right perspective, when he says that most girls in the Red Light District work for themselves.Mark van der Beerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05732130514765417306noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-16097574.post-19922604473508348042013-08-07T22:44:58.270+02:002013-08-07T22:44:58.270+02:00I&#39;ve read some of Frist Rouvoet his posts. I d...I&#39;ve read some of Frist Rouvoet his posts. I don&#39;t want to question his claims, but one of the letters where from a Romanian prostitute. The letter was written in poor Dutch.<br />At first I thought the woman wrote the letter in Romanian, and was translated afterwards into English using a translating engine. But than I notices one mistakte that keeps popping up in the letter, a mistake which a translating machine doesn&#39;t make, but a person does make.<br /><br />The person who translated the letter was clearly Romanian, since the Dutch word was translated into the Dutch wordt with a Romanian speech. To clarify. the Dutch word for &#39;sister&#39; is &#39;zus&#39;. The word in the letter is written as &#39;zoes&#39;, which is a common mistake many Romanian people make when translating into Dutch, since that&#39;s the way Romanian people pronounce the &#39;u&#39; in a word, with an &#39;oe&#39;.<br /><br />This makes me wonder who translated the letter? The woman wrote the letter in poor Dutch? Which would mean that even though she said she was forced, she still had time to learn to speak and write relative &#39;good Dutch&#39;?<br />Or was it translated by someone else who is Romanian, and translated it badly into Dutch?Mark van der Beerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05732130514765417306noreply@blogger.com