At least there you'll be able to see them (APW will have 40,000 crammed in there, no thanks)"

Obviously from a dumb statement like that, you were not at the Radiohead show there a few years back. You can see fine there. The stage is raised well and it is a huge place with plenty of room to move around.

Jersey City is as much NYC as Brooklyn or Queens would be in terms of proximity and I'm sure with what APW are paying Radiohead for 2 nights they've asked for exclusivity in NYC area
....dems the brakes...
also re: DC , they are playing there in May

i was all the way in the back for lsp, and the view and sound was perfect. but i do believe though that for the '01 shows, they only let about 20,000 people in. With twice the capacity, I think space is going to be a luxury for APW.

"i was all the way in the back for lsp, and the view and sound was perfect. but i do believe though that for the '01 shows, they only let about 20,000 people in. With twice the capacity, I think space is going to be a luxury for APW."

They let in much more than that for the 2001 show. In fact im pretty sure they are letting in the same amount this year. Space will be fine.

personally, it's not so much about traveling or "skipping" NYC or any of that.
i just don't want to go to a festival to see them.
i'd much rather see them somewhere in the city with an opening band or two, and that's it.
APW is awesome, the whole idea of a festival so close to home.
but i want to see them and only them.

Yes and anyone who reads Atease regularly knows that not everything they print is spot on. It is much like the fools on here who go to a pillow fight in Union Square and claim 3000 people were there or when there is a parade in Manhattan and different organizations have strikingly different attendence numbers.

Trust me there is going to be plenty of room at APW and you will be able to see and hear the band fine.

"In many ways, Radiohead's August 17th concert at New Jersey's Liberty State Park ... In a huge outdoor venue, Radiohead played under the shadow of the Statue of Liberty and the imposing downtown Manhattan skyline, flanked by the Hudson River. In front of more than 15,000 mostly twenty-somethings swaying ... "

This review said 15,000 were in attendance. Could look seeing them in a venue of 40,000! Hopefully the TV screens will be huge, because they will be like ants in stage.

"At ease might have 25000 waste tickets - but yeah 40,000 per day for APW.

That is official from Goldenvoice.

They will look like ants."

As far as i know the APW shows are not sold out yet.Not even close. And with any festival or big show, scalpers buy up a lot of the tickets, So i highly doubt 40000 people will be there. A much smaller amount for sure

quit complaining new yorkers with your feelings of entitlement that you have to be so inconvenienced to go to jersey and pay a toll. those of us in detroit cant see them without a 4 hour drive to chicago in one direction or toronto in the other.

I love when yuppie a-hole manhattanites would rather go all the way uptown to go to some piece of shit bar and think traveling 5 minutes to jersey city is the lamest thing ever, cause that means when i go out in jersey city, i dont have to be surrounded by all you A-HOLES!!!

I agree it is silly to not see Radiohead because the show is technically in New Jersey. The real reason to not see the show is that APW is a very weak festival. At double the crowd size of the 2001 shows, good luck seeing the band.

"At double the crowd size of the 2001 shows, good luck seeing the band.

Posted by Anonymous | April 8, 2008 10:43 AM"

"agreed - good luck seeing anything.

40,000 per show is A TON of people.

Posted by Anonymous | April 8, 2008 11:32 AM"

K just to clear it up again so folks understand that these 2 fucking morons above plus a number of the others are spouting complete misinformation. It is a huge park. Even if 40000 people were to show up you would be able to see the band fine. Maybe not as good as being right upfront but then these idiots going to see them anywhere else will be in the same boat unless they are upfront as well.
But there will not be even close to 40000 people there. The shows are very undersold at this point. Scalpers own a tremendous amount of the tickets that are sold. Mark my words you are going to have plenty of room to move around and enjoy the show. Just know the truth and keep egging on these fools to bad mouth the festival. That will make damn sure more people will not buy tickets and you will see 2 great Radiohead performances in an absolutely beautiful setting.

So here is what we know - the original "sold out" status of APW (Saturday) of these shows was at a capacity of 30,000. They have since raised that to 40,000 (like they said they would), so we are somewhere between those two numbers.

There is no misinformation - read the LA Times and Billboard interviews with Paul T (Goldenvoice) if you need clarity.

So not close to 40k huh? When does the number get "close" for you? 30,000? 35,000?

Point is, even 30,000 people is a shitload, easily 10-15k more than your average RH date. So seeing them isn't as fine and easy as you make it out to be.

Plus - the fact that no other act will be playing means every one will be watching them and not spread out seeing other (what other?) acts that APW simply doesn't offer.

So here is what we know - the original "sold out" status of APW (Saturday) of these shows was at a capacity of 30,000. They have since raised that to 40,000 (like they said they would), so we are somewhere between those two numbers.

There is no misinformation - read the LA Times and Billboard interviews with Paul T (Goldenvoice) if you need clarity.

So not close to 40k huh? When does the number get "close" for you? 30,000? 35,000?

Point is, even 30,000 people is a shitload, easily 10-15k more than your average RH date. So seeing them isn't as fine and easy as you make it out to be.

Plus - the fact that no other act will be playing means every one will be watching them and not spread out seeing other (what other?) acts that APW simply doesn't offer.

Thus the major flaw of this festival is again revealed."

Oh good lord, arguing with people who have absolutely NO IDEA of what they are talking about. If you are getting the info on ticket sales etc from having to look at interviews with promoters then you have no fucking clue. And you are in fact the moron. For those of us who either work in the concert industry or know people who do we get our info from a little more secure places. Yes the shows are undersold. Promoters do not always state "truths" for obvious reasons. And even if over 30000 were sold so far(which is not true) how do you know the allocations? Do you know how many ticket agencies(scalpers) were given tickets and how many? No you have no fucking clue. And where do you plan on seeing the band anyway? Because any of these arenas you see them in, unless you are close on the floor you are gonna be looking at the screens as well.

And most festivals put the headliners on with no one else playing. Even Lollapalooza is gonna do that this year.

The flaw is in your brain, schmuck.

But please keep spouting that misinformation so those of us who do go to APW will have a great time and be able to see the band fine.

Thanks for the clarification on the original size and the renewed of the festival. I was unaware of that! I was at the original Radiohead shows at Liberty State Park and had a great time! Can't wait to go again!

Apparently not only do you spout off on ticket info which you have no idea about but also you lack the ability to read. Leads me to believe these are all the same posters but anyway

What was said was "And most festivals put the headliners on with no one else playing"

Meaning the final band of the night..do you know what a HEADLINER means? Yes of course most festivals put on simultaneous acts you dickhead but the last band of the night which is usually the biggest band otherwise known as the headliner plays alone with no other bands playing. And in fact it has been widely announced that this years Lollapalooza will follow that trend.

Oh and also

"No matter which way you slice it, the 2001 shows had 15K people, and APW will have minimum 20000 at the worst. You do the math."

Again with the stating of fact which is not a fact. You have no idea what you are talking about. There were more than 15000 people at LSP the first time around.

During Lollapalooza, only the Sunday night headliner goes unopposed. Since Radiohead are playing Friday night, they will be playing at the same time as another band. Maybe not starting/ending at the same time, but for most of their set, there will be music on another stage.

APW will have a similar model, but the secondary acts are too weak, unlike Lollapalooza. Only Saturday has a small conflict with the Roots and Radiohead/KoL.

Dont even bother. Waste is a fucking joke and a waste. I got in the second it went on sale. Got 2 tickets for Camden in the pit. Went to check out and then it said not enough avail. Now its all locked up and you cant even get in.
WHy do they even bother having a presale if they cant handle the load. So 2 people can actually get tickets
There is something to be said for Ticketmaster

already there are 13 items for the camden show on ebay. motherf**kers.

to kill the scalping biz once and for all:
step 1. print the purchasers name on the ticket, step 2. have front door staff check id at the venue to see if the names match

yes, if you purchase tickets and can no longer go, you will not be able to resell. but a different approach can be used. perhaps the purchaser cancels through ticketmaster, is assesed a "cancellation fee" issued by ticketmaster, and then TM re-sells the tickets.

what about when a parent buys tickets for their kids, or you buy them but then can't go so you give them to a friend? It could be done, but it would be such a hassle. Blame the legislature for legalizing scalping as well (in NY)

Where are the reserved seats usually for the tickets purchased through WASTE?

I noticed they were about $9 more face value than the most expensive ticket listed on ticketmaster ($62 on WASTE $55 on ticketmaster), plus you still had to pay $6 handling fee for each ticket and $10 shipping.

Dont get me wrong if this is going to get me a very sweet reserved seat I am not complaining at all, but I thought the idea of "presales" setup on artists' own websites was to sidestep handling charges etc.

I really can't stand all of this Ny sucks, NJ sucks nonsense. If you don't want to pay a toll or whatever than so be it. You don't have to go make fun of an entire state. The truth is stupid people (who wear axe body spray) live everywhere, from california to New York and its ok not to like them, but if your bad mouthing a whole state for some idiotic reason, Well than your just as bad. So stop bickering about what's better. I'm sure Radiohead doesn't even realize LSP is in Jersey, but who cares. its Radiohead. So get over yourself (all of you jersey and new york criticizers) and lets all say we love radiohead equally. Your acting like a bunch of 3-year-olds.