So what is the better option - new shifters, new F-der, and old cranks, or new shifers, old F-der, and old cranks?

I never ride 39x11 anyways...

Thanks!

Seriously sounds like the best bang for buck option is old shifters, old r-der, old cranks, new f-der. Gives you a 9/10, according to Velo. Then, get some new chainrings that fit the old crank when available. That way, you could have the gropu for roughly: $350 for used 2011 shifter, $170 for new 2011 rear der., $120ish for new 2012 F-der., $250-300ish for new 2011 crank. Oh, I would add in purchasing the new 2012 cassette if its that much quieter.

Only thing - if old Red was a 5/10 -- how does just throwing on a new F-der up the shifting score THAT much? Just thought of that.... any answers? Is it the new low noise factor??

So I can get an idea of the improvement you are seeing relative to my personal experience, how would you rate the old red with a force or steel cage red front derailleur?

Thanks - I really do appreciate the subjective scale, and amount of work you put into the article, and your continued replies to this thread.

8/10, probably.

As for Boonen's bike contradicting the story, no clue there. I've been riding the Yaw FD all week with a SRAM SRM and Force rings and it certainly works better than the same crank setup with a Force FD.

Hi Caley Interesting to hear that you are also running/testing the Force crankset . I currently run 2011 Red shifters with a force fd and crankset . So it would be a good upgrade to just replace the fd to the new Yaw red fd ?

I've just ordered the new Red group along with a Hollowgram SiSL crank and Praxis chainrings as an upgrade to my current "old" Red setup. I'm reading conflicting reports of how the Yaw FD is working with the SiSL crank. Anybody have first experience with this that can verify it works? Concerned that I may be making a rather expensive mistake.

I ride Sram Red with a Red steel cage front derailleur, and it works fine so far, but a little chainrub and that is annoying. I think that this can be fixed. I am thinking about the new Sram Red yaw front derailleur as soon as it will be available. Is it a good upgrade with the old shifters or do I need to get the new shifters as well.I certainly will buy the new Red cassette. I hold it in my hands and it feels and looks beautiful.

I have a new Red 2012 grouppo sitting on my bike waiting to be setup. I also have a Quarq (S975 with black Red chainrings from last year) I of course want to take advantage of the new shifting tech but before I tear my cranks apart I wanted to see if there were any thoughts on using the new Red 2012 rings with an old S975 crank?

@ showdown:yes, ive seen that setup with new red rings on quarq. necessary, no, but , it works. Guy here locally riding it that way with entire new red kit and last year quarq with new red rings. or, like i say, no necessary and just use existing rings.

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