A Little More Love for Poser Users Please

With the move to Genesis, I was one of the Poser users who cancelled my PC membership and virtually stopped buying at Daz. So I was really pleased when Daz released the DSON scripts for Poser. I downloaded DSON and tried out the free models, then I bought V5 and was very pleased with the results. At the time, a big fanfare was made about how Genesis was now available to Poser users and how products were going to be updated to be compatible. Because of this I bought a lot more Genesis content - most of the "Pro Bundles" - V5, M5, H5, S5, Young Teens etc. I have been pleased with the way that DSON and Genesis work on my machine.

But...it's now been around 6 months since DSON was released. There are still some major items that haven't been converted to DSON for Poser. Even worse, there are still products being released that are not Poser-compatible. The ones that spring to mind most readily are:

Genesis Super Suit - Yes, a lot of texture conversion needed but the body suits were well used in previous generations of models and Genesis is missing a lot without this.

Hitomi - This figure seems to be the companion to Hiro now. But not if you use Poser.

Kimberly for Genesis - A recent release, but not compatible with Poser.

Add-on Textures for Real Jeanz for Genesis - Released today, The base model is Poser compatible, but none of the add-on packs are.

I realise that it could be argued that some of these are not Daz original products and it is the decision of the artist making them whether to go the extra mile and make them compatible with Poser. But I don't hold the artists responsible because all of these products are being sold in the Daz store.

Surely Daz could take some responsibility and convert these products to make them also Poser-compatible. Maybe it's possible to do it yourself using Daz Studio, but I don't use that program and I don't like the idea of paying for a product from Daz and then having to mess around and do the conversion myself - that's what I pay Daz for when I buy a product here.

Overall, I just can't help feeling that Daz lured a lot of Poser users back with the release of DSON and assurances that products would be compatible or be made compatible, but now they seem to have forgotten about us again.

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You can bring a lot of those into Poser, if you dion't mind redoing the materials, using (I think) Dimension3D's script that launches the DSON Importer via a file browser, so that Poser Companion Files aren't needed. Come to that, you can make your own PoserCFs manually - it just needs a copy of the .duf file, a copy of the .py file from any PoserCF renamed to match the .duf, and a copy of any Poser library file from a PoserCF rename to match the .duf and with the runpythonscript line edited to reflect the name of the .py/.duf file. I suspect materials are the main stumbling block, though soem things don't work for other reasons (grouping can be an issue, for example).

Hitomi, Kimberly and the add-on textures were created by other PA's. Hitomi is from MallenLane, Kimberly is 3D Universe, and the add on textures are made by Forbidden Whispers.

As Richard states, with the DSON importer, the majority of Daz content works in Poser for the most part. Materials will be a sticking point since Poser uses very different materials, and the only way to ensure there's compatibility is to create separate materials for both. I think many PA's do own a copy of Poser and will make the necessary materials, but some might not so they would be unable to provide such materials..

As for the Supersuit I think it is more down to how it was made and how is uses the Smoothing and Collison Mod to fit the figures at default which is something that cannot be translated to Poser in the same way we DS users cannot use Poser Nodes based shaders. It is just one of those things. :)

That's something I didn't know about the supersuit, so it probably will never be converted. I assume that it just wouldn't be financially viable to create a new one similar to the gen 3/4 suits but for Genesis.

A shame. Ah well, I suppose my superheroes and villains will all just have to be gen 4 then.

But is it not true that everything can be made DSON compatible by running it through DAZ Studio 4.5?

With maybe a few exceptions, I think that's true.

And to the OP, it's not exactly accurate to say that characters like Hitomi, etc., aren't Poser compatible because they are just morphs for Genesis, so if you install them to Genesis, they automatically show up in Genesis's dials in Poser. But the materials are still the problem.

That's something I didn't know about the supersuit, so it probably will never be converted. I assume that it just wouldn't be financially viable to create a new one similar to the gen 3/4 suits but for Genesis.

A shame. Ah well, I suppose my superheroes and villains will all just have to be gen 4 then.

just take note that I did say "I think" so it would be nice to get this claified. I will ask in the Supersiut thread later to make sure.

Maybe Daz should consider having a second version of products at a slightly higher price point and make them Poser compatible.

Oooooo.... bring on the cheeze to go with the whine... :)

I'm a Studio user - great program. If Daz needs to spend more time and resources to make a product work better for Poser, I don't think Studio users should have to pay for that. No offense meant to anyone.

But is it not true that everything can be made DSON compatible by running it through DAZ Studio 4.5?

With maybe a few exceptions, I think that's true.

And to the OP, it's not exactly accurate to say that characters like Hitomi, etc., aren't Poser compatible because they are just morphs for Genesis, so if you install them to Genesis, they automatically show up in Genesis's dials in Poser. But the materials are still the problem.

My understanding was this, a DUF scene file will open in Poser via DSON just fine, no matter what was put into it... now, I don't use Poser, so I don't KNOW this, but I've been told this repeatedly from several different people. I would think it would be a simple thing to create a simple scene with whatever applied, save it, then open it in Poser... Doesn't D|S 4.5 have the ability to share the Poser Runtime as its default?

IF (big IF) what I understand to be true is correct, than the vast majority of problems Poser users have with DSON would be solved if they'd simply run stuff through D|S first...

Not everyone can use DS (or wants to), and it would make sense to me that Daz and the PA's would want as much $ as possible for their products. So if they want our money keep making Poser compatible products. I'm not going to pay money for something and have to make it function properly myself. I'm not too concerned anymore whether Daz continues to sell Poser compatible products or not. Gen 4 support sure isn't slowing down anywhere but here.

Maybe Daz should consider having a second version of products at a slightly higher price point and make them Poser compatible.

LOL! Why should we pay more for a Poser compatible product? I suppose that means DS users should pay more for vendors adding DS materials to a product then?

I’m a Studio user - great program. If Daz needs to spend more time and resources to make a product work better for Poser, I don’t think Studio users should have to pay for that. No offense meant to anyone.

But is it not true that everything can be made DSON compatible by running it through DAZ Studio 4.5?

With maybe a few exceptions, I think that's true.

And to the OP, it's not exactly accurate to say that characters like Hitomi, etc., aren't Poser compatible because they are just morphs for Genesis, so if you install them to Genesis, they automatically show up in Genesis's dials in Poser. But the materials are still the problem.

My understanding was this, a DUF scene file will open in Poser via DSON just fine, no matter what was put into it... now, I don't use Poser, so I don't KNOW this, but I've been told this repeatedly from several different people. I would think it would be a simple thing to create a simple scene with whatever applied, save it, then open it in Poser... Doesn't D|S 4.5 have the ability to share the Poser Runtime as its default?

IF (big IF) what I understand to be true is correct, than the vast majority of problems Poser users have with DSON would be solved if they'd simply run stuff through D|S first...

The Idea of having the DSON importer is that Poser users can now use Genesis etc, without having to use DS. So we do not want to run stuff through DS first, because we do not have DS on our systems. Simple.

The Idea of having the DSON importer is that Poser users can now use Genesis etc, without having to use DS. So we do not want to run stuff through DS first, because we do not have DS on our systems. Simple.

Maybe Daz should consider having a second version of products at a slightly higher price point and make them Poser compatible.

LOL! Why should we pay more for a Poser compatible product? I suppose that means DS users should pay more for vendors adding DS materials to a product then?

I’m a Studio user - great program. If Daz needs to spend more time and resources to make a product work better for Poser, I don’t think Studio users should have to pay for that. No offense meant to anyone.

So the same applies to products that are made to work better for DS then?

wancow - I know you love to stir up drama any time a thread about Poser and Genesis is started to get it locked, but I'm not biting today :) I am curious though why these threads get you so riled up. You don't use Poser so why does Poser users wanting to use Genesis products bother you so much? It doesn't stop you from using Genesis in DS. Feel free to pm me so we can discuss your issues if you like.

The Idea of having the DSON importer is that Poser users can now use Genesis etc, without having to use DS. So we do not want to run stuff through DS first, because we do not have DS on our systems. Simple.

DAZ 3D made the DSON importer for the benefit of Poser users.

So please can we avoid stirring up the same tired old arguments again thus causing this thread to be locked.

wancow - I know you love to stir up drama any time a thread about Poser and Genesis is started to get it locked, but I'm not biting today :) I am curious though why these threads get you so riled up. You don't use Poser so why does Poser users wanting to use Genesis products bother you so much? It doesn't stop you from using Genesis in DS. Feel free to pm me so we can discuss your issues if you like.

Not trying at all :)

Actually, I'm fully supportive of Poser users having access to Genesis. All I'm trying to convey is that if you're unwilling to install D|S 4.5, you're depriving yourself of a lot of content, especially FREE content.

wancow - I know you love to stir up drama any time a thread about Poser and Genesis is started to get it locked, but I'm not biting today :) I am curious though why these threads get you so riled up. You don't use Poser so why does Poser users wanting to use Genesis products bother you so much? It doesn't stop you from using Genesis in DS. Feel free to pm me so we can discuss your issues if you like.

Not trying at all :)

Actually, I'm fully supportive of Poser users having access to Genesis. All I'm trying to convey is that if you're unwilling to install D|S 4.5, you're depriving yourself of a lot of content, especially FREE content.

I installed it, and as I've said too many times, it does not work for me. Just like previous versions of DS. That's how I ended up with Poser to begin with. I can run Poser, Vue, PS, etc. (even all of them at the same time!) with no issues whatsoever. DS has never worked on any computer I've owned. I'm done trying.

If you have a problem with a vendors product, maybe you should contact said vendor via PM and discuss with them privately instead of bringing the issue into a public forum?

Add-on Textures for Real Jeanz for Genesis - Released today, The base model is Poser compatible, but none of the add-on packs are.

If you look in my store, you will see I have consistently been a Poser and DS supportive vendor. I've made buildings, hair models, characters for both Genesis/M4/V4 and lighting packs ALL dual software compatiable.

It really does annoy & upset me how people jump to conclusions. The way it came across in your post, is that I 'couldn't be bothered' to offer Poser support. When that IS NOT the case. If I've offered cross compatiable support for years, why would I stop now?

It really does annoy & upset me how people jump to conclusions. The way it came across in your post, is that I 'couldn't be bothered' to offer Poser support. When that IS NOT the case. If I've offered cross compatiable support for years, why would I stop now?

In the first post that I made at the start of the thread, and in a later post, I specifically stated:

"But I don’t hold the artists responsible because all of these products are being sold in the Daz store."

and

"I realise that these are not Daz original products and I do not feel that the blame is with the PA’s."

So I'll say it again - I don't blame any of the PA's for not making their products Poser compatible, simply because many PA's do not own Poser. Daz owns the store, so it is their responsibility to make their products compatible with Poser if they want Poser users to continue using Genesis and DSON.

There have been some very constructive posts so far in this thread regarding how Poser users could use DS-only genesis products. If it really is as simple as running the product through DS, then why don't Daz get one of their staff to do that?

Like many others, I do not have DS installed on my system. Having tried several versions before 1.0, then version 3 and 4, and having had problems with all of them, I do not see the point of having it on my machine.

If that means losing out on free content, then so be it - many of us missed out on a lot of content when we couldn't use Genesis. Yes, we could have used DS, but we either can't or won't.

The idea of paying extra for Poser compatibility is an interesting one. If the price was low enough then I would be willing to pay it. Maybe an add-on pack for some existing models which had been run through DS and then had the textures optimised for Poser.