OH, yes. And he should know. In 1975 he advocated “a phased extension of public control under workers’ self-management and the prioritising of social needs by the communities themselves”. He called for “a planned economy” and for “workers’ power”, identifying himself with “Scotland’s socialist pioneers, Hardie, Smillie, Maxton, Maclean, Gallacher, Wheatley and others”—a pantheon that included both revolutionary and reformist socialists. What was needed was “a positive commitment to creating a socialist society”

Yes. Election stealing. Were the Republicans planning to do that again in the event of a close result? Is that what the Florida delay is all about?

There have been some quite devious tactics in place - the Democrats aren't entirely blameless but systematic party-political disenfranchisement seems to have been a Republican speciality this time around.

Florida's delay is because of slow counting and a high number of absentee and armed forces votes.

OH, yes. And he should know. In 1975 he advocated “a phased extension of public control under workers’ self-management and the prioritising of social needs by the communities themselves”. He called for “a planned economy” and for “workers’ power”, identifying himself with “Scotland’s socialist pioneers, Hardie, Smillie, Maxton, Maclean, Gallacher, Wheatley and others”—a pantheon that included both revolutionary and reformist socialists. What was needed was “a positive commitment to creating a socialist society”

The first meeting of the SI Commission for a Sustainable World Society – the body established to address the global environmental agenda, climate change and the issues of governance required to deal with these common challenges - took place at 10 Downing Street on Monday 19 November, hosted by Prime Minister Gordon Brown, Leader of the British Labour Party, where members of the Commission, the President and Secretary General of the Socialist International, along with Ministers from the British government, took part in an exchange of views.

Edited by JohnM, 09 November 2012 - 05:35 PM.

Life is like a sewer: What you get out of it depends on what you put into it.

You are right...they might have. They didn't though, unless he sacrificed his political convictions for the rewards of high office. Nah...a politician would never do that, would he?

Keith Joseph did. A minister in the Heath government and the Thatcher government he spent the intervening years attacking the very policies he'd been advocating between 1970 & 1974. For that matter so did Thatcher.Major pretended to be a loyal Thatcherite until he became PM and then set about dismantling Thatcherism and clearing up the mess left by her and Lawson.Anyway Romney and Republicans lost basically because they alientated too many women, black and Hispanic voters. According to a report I've just been reading the only black face at their "victory bash" in Boston was in the band.

Edited by Trojan, 10 November 2012 - 11:41 AM.

“Few thought him even a starter.There were many who thought themselves smarter. But he ended PM, CH and OM. An Earl and a Knight of the Garter.”

Keith Joseph did. A minister in the Heath government and the Thatcher government he spent the intervening years attacking the very policies he'd been advocating between 1970 & 1974. For that matter so did Thatcher.Major pretended to be a loyal Thatcherite until he became PM and then set about dismantling Thatcherism and clearing up the mess left by her and Lawson.Anyway Romney and Republicans lost basically because they alientated too many women, black and Hispanic voters. According to a report I've just been reading the only black face at their "victory bash" in Boston was in the band.

There is no evidence that women don't vote Republican.

I'm not sure "alienation" has much to do with it. Blacks and hispanics predominantly vote democrat regardless of who the candidates are. You might as well say that past democrat candidates alienated WASPs and Jews.

I'm not sure "alienation" has much to do with it. Blacks and hispanics predominantly vote democrat regardless of who the candidates are. You might as well say that past democrat candidates alienated WASPs and Jews.

There was a report on Radio 4 yesterday. Cuban Americans - traditionally Republican voters have changed sides. One was quoted as saying - "why shouldn't I vote Democrat? They've done more for me than the Republicans ever have."Your point about WASPS and Jews is relevant of course, but more to the point is the fact that Spannish speaking Americans are becoming a very sizeable minority in the US, and so far the Republicans seem to have gone out of their way to upset them. - same goes for women for that matter. The quotes on rape and their attitude to abortion won't have helped their case.Labour lost in 1979 & 83 with the left saying we lost because we weren't left wing enough. The Tories lost in 1997, 2001 & 2005 with the right saying wwe weren't right wing enough. Cameron learned the lesson. Unfortunately once he got into Downing Street he promptly forgot it.

“Few thought him even a starter.There were many who thought themselves smarter. But he ended PM, CH and OM. An Earl and a Knight of the Garter.”