>>101074927
Fuck you.
this means we're never going to see Sparks Liner High animatedUnless it's like a dream sequence
Then again, they probably wouldn't even bother taking a risk.
I'm so fucking anally anguished right now

I am disgusted. Rather than finishing the story with the best and most fulfilling route and keep some level of integrity, they're going to go for more Saber pandering and pointless spinoffs. This franchise should just fucking die already.

>>101075312
Hasn't Nasu always mentioned that he wasn't exactly satisfied with how Saber was portrayed in her route. Like "why the fuck would King Arthur fall in love with a kid" kinda shit? Wouldn't this be a chance to correct that?

He got fatally injured but his heart never gets a chance to stop beating before Morgan Le Fay and her fairy sisters show up and carry him away to Avalon and he is in some suspended animation state/sleep.

And Saber's stay in Avalon is only temporary.

In King Arthur's legend, he will be back once the UK is on the brink of destruction or dissolution and will reign as King of the Isles once more and lead the UK to a new age of glory.

This means Saber will leave Avalon once World War 3 starts and UK is about to get fucked.

Saber will not stay in Avalon forever.

Her destiny is to be King once more in the human world.

Even the real myth supports such a prophecy.

And speaking of prophecies. Francis Drake will also return from the dead should Britain be on the brink of collapse or despair.

Him and his ship will emerge from the seas to defend Britain's interests once more.

And in real life, during World War 2, Brits swore they heard Francis Drake's ship firing cannon balls in the distance.

So yeah, Nasu didn't really create shit and Nasu never says anything about Saber staying in Avalon forever. He does mention the prophecy of Saber, though.

Heaven's Feel is the only route worth playing. They should base the whole show on this part with adding some informations from other routes.
If they want to connect it with Fate Zero then Saber route is pretty much unnecessary.

>>101075478
Jesus christ settle down you retard. I was saying he wrote (in other words CREATED) and entirely new ending for Realta Nua where Saber got a perfect ending with Shirou. I know it's based on the already existing myth that King Arthur sleeps in Avalon till he's needed.

>>101075647>Sakura is the only one of the three heroines where romance is integral to her character arc.
How bout you reread Fate again. Saber's character arc without the romance would be just as butchered as Sakura without hers.

I'm fine if ufotable's new FSN proves to be an 'original' route pulling together elements from the three routes. Adapting the three routes straight is too slavish and time-consuming, and Heavens Feel by itself would leave those that haven't read the Fate/stay night VN out in the cold.

Ufotable doesn't look like it's gonna become DEEN anytime soon, so I look forward to what'll come out of this. Being an 'original' route surely meant to build upon what came before in Fate/Zero, it'll probably be kinda new and even exciting, no?

Two cours. First cour full of fights with random, unimportant servants (Caster, Berserker, Lancer). The the shadow will appear at the end of first season and start eating people. Everyone should be happy.

>>101076814
Sakura was the fourth most popular female in the only other full TM character poll after Fate existed (that I can find data for, anyway). She has generally scored lower than the other two heroines in Fate-only polls, true, but she's never been anywhere near the bottom.

>>101076820
It is the only route which goes into what the grail really is
It is the only route with Zouken
It is the only route where Rin and Sakura become sisters again
It is the only route where Shirou and Illya get to develop a sibling bond
It is the only route where Shirou chooses not to follow Kiritsugu's ideal
It is the only route with mapo tofu
Sparks Linear High

>>101076943
there are things left undone and you don't meet most of the servants especially Gilgamesh( a key part of fate/zero) just die shitty deaths if someone went from fate/zero to heavens feel they would be missing out on a lot.

>>101076840>HF is the one route that could be an adequate sequel to Zero.
You don't explain why.

>>101076910
The main story of F/Z is the despair of Saber as one by one her goals, ideals and motivations are stripped, exposed and mutilated. The route most integral to that is the one where she rediscovers hope, finds meaning in life beyond the impossible dreams and ultimately comes to acceptance with her lot in life, not the one where she gets punked out in the first act and gets demoted to mid boss.

>>101076943>It is the only route which flat out retraces territory Ufotable have already explored with F/Z>It is the only route with that character nobody gives a fuck about>It is the only route where Rin breaks all established character so Sakura can have a sister again>It is the only route where Shirou and the psycho loli poisoned by old man Acht against anything Emiya get to break all established character to develop a sibling bond>It is the only route where Shirou abandons his life's goal for poon>It is the only route with food porn
Well, you're not wrong there.>It is the only route with a dead end that wouldn't get animated anyway

>Original story
It better not have anything to do with the routes, since the last time someone tried that (DEEN) and mixed them together, we got a trainwreck. I'm not confident enough in ufotable's adaption skills to be able to pull that off either. They should stick to linear narratives or original works.

>>101077197>Implying that it wasn't originally intended for Illya's route.
Sakura's original route was probably gonna be nearly all SoL, hence there was nearly no foreshadowing about her being a grail in the previous 2 routes.
Sakura was originally intended to be non-relevant.

>>101077294>It's still the most interesting route with the best villain, character development for human characters and a really good ending.
Every single thing you listed is debatable, especially character development.

>play FSN first time through with voices on>spend two thirds of the route screaming at the monitor for them to figure out the Shadow is Sakura, keeping in mind all the shit that happens to the good character

>>101077518>proper buildup>both blew its surprise way too early AND dragged on too far before the payoff
You can't have been more spectacularly wrong.

>>101077546
I just reread it, faggot. There's pretty much just the thing in the prologue with Rin's pendant and that's it. It's comparable to how much foreshadowing Sakura being a grail gets, with Gil bothering her in the prologue.

>>101077518
I'd say it was on par with UBW, except it had such a stronger climax and conclusion that I think more favorably of it.
Fate route was kinda shit though, boring infodumps about the war, forced Saber romance, though the Bersercar arc was cool.

>>101077480>Emiya Shirou stop fucking around and create swords that's your true power>how does this nigga know so much about me not even I knew that>wait a minute we have the same powers what a coincidence

>>101077655>HF>forced to save your cooking slave and wormslut over your sister
Literally the definition of forced choice with questionable intention. It is not in Shirou character to think with his dick.

Lets all be real. This new Fate will probably not be ANYTHING like Heaven's Feel.
Doing Heaven's feel as a TV series is problematic for a lot of reasons.

1) It assumes you have read through Fate and UBW. Shirou's character arc in HF is interesting because of how far he diverges from the path he took in Fate and UBW. The significance of losing Saber is lost. And Shirou gaining Archer's Arm would just be confusing to someone who had only seen FZ.

2) The pacing isn't great for a TV show. Most of the action in HF takes place in the last third. The rest of the route is mostly talking. Its not inherently bad, but it would be a turn off to people who were expecting another FZ.

3) Not enough Saber. Trying to Shoehorn in more Saber would butcher the route, since she never develops a bond with Shirou beyond master & servant.

Hopefully they go the route of making a sequel to FZ and don't try to cram in shit from each of the routes where it doesn't belong. But who am I kidding, it will probably be mostly slice of life with Saber and the rest of Shirou's harem, Gilgamesh and Kotomine homo time, plus Archer's UBW vs Berserker.

>>101077646>>101077658
I don't think it's ever stated in Fate that Archer is using projection magic, but the shed scene and the archery are decent points.

Honestly, though, I could say the same shit about a lot of characters that are relevant in later routes and it would be correct. There's no foreshadowing that Caster is going to be a big part of UBW. There's no foreshadowing that there's any more to Kotomine than being a generic villain. I doubt they were also never intended to be important in the game and everything about them was just thrown in at the last minute or something, though.

>>101077793
Plus the prologue?
Rin saving Shirou with the pendant is a fucking huge red flag considering she was using it as the medium.
We just didnt know that they actually included a fictional hero.

>>101075910
I wish my biggest problem with this image wasn't that one of those posts horribly misunderstands mana transfer.

The reason Shirou has trouble providing mana to saber is because he doesn't have a proper connection with her like a normal Master and Servant do.

The sex just allows him to give her some prana without that connection. So "having trouble supplying 1 servant with prana, let alone 2" wouldn't be solved by having sex with them, unless the problem was that neither of them had a proper connection with him.

>>101077968
I didn't like her in Fate. But then in HF she really grew on me. And then I found out the reason for the whole "onii-chan" thing and it actually made sense and wasn't just a stupid gimmick.

It's not stated, but you can see him use it in the Lancer fight. Lancer disarms him like 8 times and he just keeps making more swords. And earlier, Archer compares the park to a Reality Marble, and Rin mentions how odd it is for an Archer to know about Reality Marbles, which is pretty heavy foreshadowing.

There's a little more foreshadowing for Sakura being a grail than you guys seem to think. Not a whole lot, since it's meant to be a big surprise, but still. Apart from Gil in the prologue, there's also Ilya getting sick and bedridden towards the end of Fate, which is eventually revealed to be because she's the grail vessel. Sakura shows the same symptoms in HF.

>>101078035
The fact of the matter is this: that purple fruity pebble Uryu's walking around like Barney the Dinosaur, taking kids with his little Wonder Woman wristband, and he thinks he can get away with his little art project. Well The Rin's going to take that little Wonder Woman wristband, shine it up real nice, turn that sonbitch sideways and stick prana STRAIGHT UP ITS CANDY ASS!

>>101077793
There are numerous hints that Archer is Shirou. For one, they both pull swords out of thin air and Rin comments that both use projection, or a form of it. Additionally, Archer seems to have intimate knowledge of RMs and things he shouldn't, which Rin points out. There are also other cases that you have acknowledged in your post.

>>101078377
It's been awhile since I read Fate so my memory is hazy, but isn't it possible she's referring to Sakura there?

Shinji isn't even supposed to be capable of basic magic from what I understand, and to Rin's knowledge, Sakura was handed over to the Matous, was learning magic, but exhibits no signs of being any competent at it.

>>101078454
THEN when The Rin makes to the next Grailmania, she will WALK DOWN the Tsundere Aisle, she will RAISE the Tsundere Eyebrow, and she will DROP the Tsundere Gando, then Servant! After Servant! After Servant! Over the rim into the Holy Grail! Till there's one Master left standing in Fuyuki, and that one Master left standing is The Rin!

>>101078369>>101078438
Okay, fine, I don't care. That >but the shed scene and the archery are decent points was meant to be a concession. I obviously shouldn't have chosen Archer when I've never really been interested in him enough to pay a lot of attention to foreshadowing involving him. Sorry. I just don't think that having her relevance foreshadowed less than some other characters means that Sakura was always supposed to be unimportant or something.

>>101078531
Because she is the jabroni beatin', poontang pie eatin', twin-tail hairin', kneesocks wearing, computer hatin', Mind Of Steel datin', best in the present, future, past, make the Sword of Zelretch to slap your monkey ass Tsundere Champ The Rin!

>>101078672
Still, he doesn't even acknowledge her as an option, despite going out of his way to talk to her in the prologue. Obviously they wanted to keep it a surprise, but using Gil in the prologue just made little sense to me.

>>101078767
I assumed "mass murderer" just referred to the Shadow stuff. Anything she did as Dark Sakura is on her, I don't disagree there, and that bad end is easily the worst thing she does in the game.

>>101078739
Maybe it can work. If they can forget about the three routes in the game and just make whhat thay want to make, at least this will be more interesting. Maybe they used the ilya route that has been scrapped from the voice novel.

>>101078799
Cherry picking away the slice of life scenes as irrelevant is a little unfair though.

I think the idea behind HF is that they want you to believe Sakura is irrelevant and that she's just an innocent person who Shirou wants to protect, and then the crazy shit starts getting introduced later on and it comes as a shock.

>>101078840
The problem with that is they spoil their own game, and ANY sort of prejudice the reader has against Sakura before that is amped up to 11. And if you're coming off the back of Fate and FSN you're already sick of how much Sakura gets thrown in your face early on in each route.

>>101078590
To expound: even though Rin saw Gilg in the prologue, why does she never bring him up once they discover his identity? I can't think of any time in any of the routes where she seems like she saw him before

>>101078865
She's not barely relevant, it's just how the balancing of the heroines goes. Saber does 90% of the heavy lifting in her route. Rin does 50% of the work and finally Sakura is mostly bed-ridden with trying to resist and only works through Rider and right at the end for a tenth of the route.

>>101078910
I don't know about that. Sakura barely registered for me in Fate and UBW the first time I played the game. She wasn't really around enough for me to have much of an opinion on her until I hit HF.

>>101078927
I'm sure if we were still inside of her head, we'd have seen her make the connection, but she wouldn't want to draw attention to Sakura and potentially put her in danger based on something she's not sure about.

>>101078910
Am I the only one who was actually excited to get to Sakura? When I finished the prologue and Shirou wakes up to her cooking, I thought to myself, "That is prime wife material right there."

I'd have been completely okay if Sakura turned out to be a completely normal girl who got pulled into an awful mess by Shirou for her route.

Looking back, the only reason I probably dislike Sakura is because FSN was my first VN. I didn't understand the significance of giving a character unique CGs.

So when she finally does become relevant it felt forced and the fact that the route steers away from what finally made me like Shirou in previous routes with his stubbornness, the last route really comes off as a dividing factor for the fandom.

I have said this many times before. But Heaven's Feel is the least stand-alone route in all of F/SN.

I never could imagine them adapting Heaven's Feel as is without doing something else first.
They need to consider the anime-only plebeians, of which are their biggest market.

They could have adapted Fate. They could have adapted UBW. They could do what they appear to be doing, namely making an original mix.
But jumping straight to adapting HF? That would just be bad business practice.

>>101079124>and *with* the fact that the route steers away from what finally made me like Shirou in previous routes with his stubbornness, the last route really comes off as a dividing factor for the fandom.

Fate/UC says hi. She gets her happy resolution without falling for Shirou. Even Nasu and Gen agreed the romance was forced and unnatural. They could have had an old fashioned spiritual/friendship bonding.

>>101076526>What if this new Fate has no romance at all like Zero?
That would be real weird. Even Mind of Steel had romance.
In the end, the fact that Shirou is broken to the point where he feels that he shouldn't be allowed to love, and that he shouldn't be loved, is a quite notable character trait that is addressed in every route in the story.

>>101079299
Well, anybody backed by the grail would be extremely powerful. Sakura has a unique and potentially powerful element, but she was never actually trained as a proper magus. Zouken just tossed her in the wormpit and tried to force her element to change to water. She's not much of a magus compared to Rin.

>>101079285>Even Nasu and Gen agreed the romance was forced and unnatural.
No, Gen says it is and feels Rin is more the main heroine.Nasu just does his classic 'Yes, yes great point' to whatever Gen says since he never wants to disagree with him on anything during interviews.

>>101079467
Well, yeah but there's a LOT of that shit. And it's all optional. It makes sense that only the main story would be voiced. Specifically, the scenes listed under "Hollow" in scene replay mode, if you have the VN.

>>101079394
No. Ilya was good, she was unhinged and a complete powerhouse with Berserker to the point where some people still think the Caliburn scene was deus ex machina.

Caster was great, a scheming bitch who instead of having lots of power was rather just tactically strong with lots of great assets and pawns.

Zouken had a hostage, never showed up and a servant that was next to useless except for as a distraction. The Shadow did all the work, Zouken was just the guy looting the dead bodies after a trainwreck. Zouken wasn't an opposing enemy, he was a eleventh hour attraction we were meant to hate. Rather than using Assassin to kill Shirou, he even just sends an invite for a conversation where he just reveals what a dick he's been all along.

And Gil isn't a villain, he's a force of nature, a catastrophe-type of event.

>>101079547
Nasu was annoyed with how shitty the 'B-But you're a girl!' writing was.Gen is the one who thinks it's ridiculous and in typical Nasu fashion he goes along with anything Gen says and goes 'Yeah it is pretty ridiculous looking at it..'

>>101079629
Not as much as I want to hear Saber and Rider bickering about food, Caster being the moemoewaifu she knows in her heart she is, Rider soliciting sex from Shirou for a bike and all the other awesome shit in FHA SoL scenes.

remember when F/Z was first announced? the threads were full of hopeful dreamers wishing for an adaptation of HF

i suspect it's largely secondaries who jumped in after F/Z and then read F/SN / tried the anime and decided they wanted the ufotable treatment for the first two otherwise this just doesn't parse properly

>>101079691>The last interview said they don't want shounenshit but seinen like Fate/Zero.
I know people do talk like this, but I can still not really see the difference between "seinen" and "shounen".

It has to do with the demographics for sure, but that's just the theory.
People say that CCC is seinen? Then how come it is in many ways even more juvenile than F/SN?
Space Brothers is relatively mature, but Berserk, Bastard, and Kaleid Liner are all juvenile as fuck.

So what does "mature" really mean, and what the fuck is "seinen" supposed to entail?

>>101079842
Sakura was not aware of what was happening until the dream with Gil, which was the last one. No more mass murdering happened after she more or less realized what was going on. AM would have acted the same no matter who it was attached to.

>>101079894
Kotomine calls her out on trying to make it seem like Dark Sakura is a separate personality. He doesn't say a word about the Shadow.

If Sakura is accounted for the murders Angra Mainyu did against her consent for tapping on her subconscious while she was sleep, Saber and Kiritsugu should be accounted too.

Specially when Kirei took the blame of something he never knew what he did. His desire wasn't even KNOWN to him until after the fact.

So no. I wish this adaptation would fucking address Kiritsugu and Saber DESTROYED Shirou's life. He can forgive them, but enough of using Kirei and Gilgamesh as the fucking scapegoats for their manchildren bullshit ideals.

No, I blame Sakura for the crimes too and so does she, Shirou acknowleges this and is ok, I'm fine because is explored. But Kiristugu and Saber got scottfree with something worse and Gilgamesh (Who saved the fucking day) and Kirei (who was dead) got shoveled with their fucking sins. No thanks.

Be a man and face your mistakes.

They are manchildren bullshit ideals. They killed their human side for bullshit and killed people for that sake. That's cool but now they had to face the responsibility.

So about those new clothes, you think they will be getting completely new color schemes, or will they just be upgraded to better looking ones? Rin and Shirou both have a pretty trademark color scheme going on that I would like to see included.

>>101080304>new clothes
If it's just them having additional clothes, then I am all for it.
In the Vita openings they already wore their trademark clothes, so I am assuming they will be having them in the actual show as well.

And well. Having more than one set of clothes in a two week period of time, is kind of normal, no?

>>101080702
Maybe the people who are legitimately interested in what might happen after the bad end, yeah. But there are a lot of folks who only seem to care about MoS because they hate Sakura and she dies in it.

>Berserk will die like in Fate>Gil loses to Saber like in Fate>Shirou battles Kotomine HF style>Saber is romantic partner>Archer kills one servant, goes rogue like in UBW but regrets it because wow character development and sacrifices himself, possibly to score that one kill>Rin somehow gets Sakura out of the Dark Sakura funk>Last Episode after the ending credits of the last episode
It will turn out like this.