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Here is avery good article on the fallicies of instituting mandatory health care. Especially since Mitt Romney is a possible 2008 Republican candidate and signed such into law in the state of Massachusettes.

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I believe that the United States should have universal health care for all of its citizens. This should be available for everybody just like everyone is served by the police or fire departments. Although this would necessitate more tax money being spent, I think that better health for all of the populace would be a benefit for all.

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Universal health care will result in even more intrusion into personal choices. Whoever pays for your health care can dictate what you eat, or smoke, or drink, or pretty much do or don't do in general.

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"Mandatory" health insurance is just as knotheaded an idea as government controlled "universal" health care.:BangHead:

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Isn't it wonderful that we all have opinions as to what would work and what wouldn't. :tongue3:

Just like in Iraq. The republicans had a plan, it didn't work. The democrats will definitely do something different; maybe it will work, maybe it won't. If it doesn't work someone will come up with something different.

There are too many people in our country that do not have reasonable access to decent health care. I think this should be one of the highest priorities with us democrats, just behind getting our troops out of Iraq.

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I believe that the United States should have universal health care for all of its citizens. This should be available for everybody just like everyone is served by the police or fire departments. Although this would necessitate more tax money being spent, I think that better health for all of the populace would be a benefit for all.

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I would like to see a back up health plan like Medicade or Medicare that can assure everyone will have access to life saving medicine or maintenance visits for recurring illness like Diabetes, Blood pressure etc... Here are the problems we face, if you let the government run the program they will have a large overhead and lots of red tape to get the medical attention you need (like now). If you let the private sector run it, greed will take over and the quality of care won't be there while a few at the top profit.

Universal health plan will take choice of doctor away from the common man. This means the working and non-working class will have the same benefits. The good doctors will only be for the rich and those who can afford to pay outside the plan. Any doctor who takes the plan will be avarege and no incintive to do better because their pay will be basically flat rate.

I was thinking of a tiered approach. The basic plan that everyone pays will assure life saving medicine for all.

Those working could get insurance on top of that which will help with doctor choices, co pays and a list of specialist proven in their field that may not want to work for the peanuts offered in the basic plan. So they will get paid the basic plan plus what ever election you pay also.

The rich doctors would also get the basic care payment plus what ever they choose to pay out of pocket or through their elite insurance. There could possibly be a cap where you receive no basic care benefits so you will be fully funded by your own insurance or pocket.

I know this isn't the perfect plan but I do know we need to overhaul what we have now and universal is not the answer.

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The Canadians and the Europeans like their universal health care systems. They seem to be healthier and pay less for their health care than we Americans do. Perhaps health care is one industry where free enterprise doesn't work (if you can call our hybrid system of employer sponsored health care, Medicare, Medicaid, and the various state programs as free enterprise).

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I think granny Clampett had the right idea about Universal Health care. Her elixer was always good for what ails ya.I find it simply amazing how generous Americans can reach out to third world countries to provide what we can in the way of medical relief but we cannot reach out to our own underprivledged people in our own country.As usual the problem can always be traced to our own greed and selfishness.

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I find it simply amazing how generous Americans can reach out to third world countries to provide what we can in the way of medical relief but we cannot reach out to our own underprivledged people in our own country.As usual the problem can always be traced to our own greed and selfishness.

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No one is refused health care in this country including those that are here illegally.

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I guess what I am trying to say Carpro is that no matter what we try to do in the way of providing Health care in this country it will never be good enough to suit a majority of people. It is almost a lost cause to do anything at all.

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I guess what I am trying to say Carpro is that no matter what we try to do in the way of providing Health care in this country it will never be good enough to suit a majority of people. It is almost a lost cause to do anything at all.

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A few years ago I worked in sales with a young Mexican with a wife and 4 kids. He was here legally, BTW.

When his probationary period of 90 days ended, he was added to our group health insurance at no cost to himself and given an opportunity to add his family for an extra cost. He was making enough to afford it easily.

He refused to add his family and tried to get paid the premium for his own coverage instead of being covered himself. This request was denied.

His reason: "Why should I pay for insurance when I can take them to the hospital and get everything free?" He preferred the taxpayers pay for his medical care rather than do it himself.

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What the Congress had best do in 2007 is to come up with a plan to keep Medicare from going belly up. And then do the same with Social Security. The longer the Congress waits to fix these programs the more painful it will be - for both those who depend on these programs and for taxpayers.

The Bush idea of privatizing Social Security won't work and neither will the Democrats' idea of doing nothing.

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I think granny Clampett had the right idea about Universal Health care. Her elixer was always good for what ails ya.I find it simply amazing how generous Americans can reach out to third world countries to provide what we can in the way of medical relief but we cannot reach out to our own underprivledged people in our own country.As usual the problem can always be traced to our own greed and selfishness. __________________

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That is a good point.

But one of the reasons that we pay so much for health is that so many people are without it and that cost is being picked up by the rest of us that do. If EVERYONE had health insurance costs would come down. I am the last one to want to see universal health care but I am starting to lean toward the Single Payer Plan.http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single_payer_resources.php

Do you know anyone who can't afford health insurance? I know two men in their mid-50's. One has a BA degree and the other has a BA, 2 MS's and an MDIV. Both of these would have life insurance if they could afford it. The first guy would have died of a kidney problem if my brother and I hadn't paid for his treatment. He's been a friend for almost 50 years and we weren't going to let him die because he was down on his luck. It cost us about $30K.

The second man left a solid career as a Financial Analyst to go to the SBC and become a Baptist minister. He took a position at a poor inner city church which paid him almost nothing and didn't provide health insurance. He had to have a serious heart operation and he also got by (this time) by the grace of God. His surgeon said that if he would pray for him he would donate his services.

Now I believe in relying on Almighty God but do you have the guts to do that yourself? Should the richest country in the world let honest hard working people like these two men die without health care?

I believe that those "liberals" you dispise demonstrate a much more Christian attitude than smug far righters like you do.

Just let those poor people die. Or, as Ebinezor Scrooge said, we do have debters prisons don't we? On which side would Jesus be?

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