I grant you, OL, that 'rill' has a certain alure, much like 'boskey dell', but having been strongly influenced by American music, 'creek' has a powerful effect.

Stictly speaking I think a creek has less to do with flowing water, more like an inlet, and there probably is a pecking order of sizes, rill possibly the smallest, but without googling I may be wrong. 'Bayou' is up there with 'creek'.

I grant you, OL, that 'rill' has a certain alure, much like 'boskey dell', but having been strongly influenced by American music, 'creek' has a powerful effect.

Stictly speaking I think a creek has less to do with flowing water, more like an inlet, and there probably is a pecking order of sizes, rill possibly the smallest, but without googling I may be wrong. 'Bayou' is up there with 'creek'.

Interesting diversion here. Think Bayou is more like a swamp, and then only in the Southern US. Never heard of a Bayou in Rhode Island, and I can remember going fishing in a creek (prounced crik) living in Central Illinois. We had an actual stream flowing through Thousand Oaks (California) while I lived there, and it became probably a 50-foot waterfall at one point ... and I used to live on Rushing Creek Place, which had no water near it unless someone left the hose on while washing their car. Seemed rather misleading and romantic for being in the middle of an official desert area.Of course, we also have the difference between supper and dinner ... which generally has little to do with water, of course.Ah, the drifting of the senior minds ...Tom West ... unless you know something different.

G'day Tony - crikey, isn't it past your bed time yet?
Tongue was firmly planted in cheek with that one ..
But I have to say that our very own "Mighty Murray" is, tragically, on its way to becoming a bayou/creek/ ... whatever.

I'll take this opportunity to say a huge "thankyou" to all of you who have posted images in this thread: it's truly fascinating, and has cost me a LOT of hard drive space.

G'day Tony - crikey, isn't it past your bed time yet?Tongue was firmly planted in cheek with that one .. But I have to say that our very own "Mighty Murray" is, tragically, on its way to becoming a bayou/creek/ ... whatever.

I'll take this opportunity to say a huge "thankyou" to all of you who have posted images in this thread: it's truly fascinating, and has cost me a LOT of hard drive space.

Season's greetings to you all and a great 2010

Geoff.

Geoff, my mum lets me stay up late on Fridays, and anyway school broke up today, and it's nearly Crimble, so all in all I'm off the hook! Also, she dozed off cuddling a bottle of Chardonnay, so I reckon I've got an hour or two, unless her ciggie sets fire to the sofa! It's amazing how quickly those cheap sofas go up, if you're not up and out in five seconds you're toast. And never go back for the bottle... Mind you, her motto is "Drink it quick, there's less chance of knocking it off the arm of the sofa onto the shagpile!"

This thread is fun, I've seen a lot I wouldn't have seen, and met a lot of nice people - glad you've enjoyed it too. Happy Christmas, and lots of rain.

Well, I meant 'up there' in connotation, Tom, rather than actual definition. I was thinking of 'Blue Bayou' by The Big 'O', versus 'Cripple Creek' by - er, Wotsisname.

'Rushing Creek Place' does sound a little of an exageration, but a nice name. Can't blame the developers for putting a spin on it, but it may be that it lost volume with changes in demand up-stream.

Tony, Those overlapping and regional words can be confusing, especially when you start throwing Aussie or New Zealand into the mix ... which we don't have to do here.Blue Bayou was Roy Orbison, who was Southern, while Cripple Creek was by the Band, who were from the west and the north. Bayou and that sort of thing is a definite southern concept here, but it does make a great visual for a song.Rushing Creek Place was exactly 1/4 mile long, and made a perfect half mile per lap walk when I started trying to do so again. It was a double cul de sac, which was fed by a little street called Floating Cloud Place; the street signs almost touched the street was so short.And, don't get started on all the Spanish names that get infused out here, as contrasted to the Indian names in the east (woo-woo Indian, of course), so there is real variety to the flavor of place names across the US.And, that nearest stream was probably a half-mile away, certainly not near enough to have a street where we were named in its honor. The waterfall was pretty cool, however, if there was enough water to have it actually reach the bottom without evaporating completely.Ah, enough of the geographic topic ... back to the drawings ...Tom West

I have looked in my indices ( yes lingo perfectionists....I did take O level Latin ) and it is in Cavara's book"60 vetturi ai Raggi X", so I will retrieve my book from the bookseller and scan it.

Marc,That is a wonderful book. I found a copy maybe 15 years ago and have had it close since that point. The only problem that I have had with it was that they used pretty grainy paper so it doesn't bring up the drawing details as cleanly as it might. Some great artwork representing the high points of Italian automotive art. Very cool stuff ... and to find 60 illustrations like this in one point was quite stunning to see.Tom West

To all you, who maintain this wonderful and good humored thread alive, specially Marc and Toni Mateus (Portuguese version), I'm posting a special recipe for Christmas cookies, which was given to me many years ago by my old aunt Gilda who lives in Portland (Oregon, USA), and is a "cordon-bleu cuisinière" .

Sample the Cuervo to check quality. Take a large bowl, check the Cuervo again, to be sure it is of the highest quality, pour one level cup and drink.

Turn on the electric mixer...Beat one cup of butter in a large fluffy bowl.

Add one teaspoon of sugar...Beat again. At this point it's best to make sure the Cuervo is still OK, try another cup ... just in case.

Turn off the mixerer thingy. Break 2 leggs and add to the bowl and chuck in the cup of dried fruit, Pick the frigging fruit off floor...
Mix on the turner. If the fried druit gets stuck in the beaterers just pry it loose with a drewscriver. Sample the Cuervo to check for tonsisticity.

Next, sift two cups of salt, or something. Who giveshz a sheet. Check the Jose Cuervo. Now shift the lemon juice and strain your nuts. Add one table. Add a spoon of sugar, or somefink. Whatever you can find. Greash the oven.

Turn the cake tin 360 degrees and try not to fall over. Don't forget to beat off the turner. Finally, throw the bowl through the window, finish the Cose Juervo and make sure to put the stove in the dishwasher.

To all you, who maintain this wonderful and good humored thread alive, specially Marc and Toni Mateus (Portuguese version), I'm posting a special recipe for Christmas cookies, which was given to me many years ago by my old aunt Gilda who lives in Portland (Oregon, USA), and is a "cordon-bleu cuisinière" .

Sample the Cuervo to check quality. Take a large bowl, check the Cuervo again, to be sure it is of the highest quality, pour one level cup and drink.

Turn on the electric mixer...Beat one cup of butter in a large fluffy bowl.

Add one teaspoon of sugar...Beat again. At this point it's best to make sure the Cuervo is still OK, try another cup ... just in case.

Turn off the mixerer thingy. Break 2 leggs and add to the bowl and chuck in the cup of dried fruit, Pick the frigging fruit off floor...Mix on the turner. If the fried druit gets stuck in the beaterers just pry it loose with a drewscriver. Sample the Cuervo to check for tonsisticity.

Next, sift two cups of salt, or something. Who giveshz a sheet. Check the Jose Cuervo. Now shift the lemon juice and strain your nuts. Add one table. Add a spoon of sugar, or somefink. Whatever you can find. Greash the oven.

Turn the cake tin 360 degrees and try not to fall over. Don't forget to beat off the turner. Finally, throw the bowl through the window, finish the Cose Juervo and make sure to put the stove in the dishwasher.

CHERRY MISTMAS

Weeeeeeeeeee whoopie !!! the Cose Juervo Quetila tasted great, the Cristmas Chookies I dunno.EEEE Whoop die dooooBaking is fun !!mmm Merry Christmas to all and hoping for a fantabulous New Year !!!

Roger If my memory still serves me as it should, do those pages have a red background and thick black "framing"I think it is the sport racer job where Webster even cut/shaped and rivetted his wheel rims from sheet ?

I knew it !! Last I looked at it must of (!!! such language use is subject of another thread) been 10 years ago!!I am ............... pats self on the shoulder ! Like I said red background, black frame.My comment on the wheel rims proves I am a normal fallable human.Edit, thanks for the scans Roger

Ah Oscar - thanks for the recipe - I have tears running down my face. I've been having a nightmarish time sorting out my taxes (I've misplaced my invoice book) and felt thoroughly miserable until I read your post.

I think all lotus 29's had stack pipes Ibsen, the Ford V8 used had a two-plane crank, it was only when the four-cam engine with a flat-plane cranckshaft was introduced in the Lotus 38 that the beautiful 'bunch of bananas' system was introduced. Thanks for the scans, I hadn't seen either before!

There is another cutaway of the Lotus 29 done by Gordon Bruce in the July 1963 issue of Sports Car Graphic. Unfortunately my scanner won't handle the two page illustration and I haven't mastered stitching them together. The significance of this car, at least to the Indy race, may be drawn from the number of cutaways created. All of the cutaways show the development version of the 29 with the organ pipe exhaust system, the two cars in the 1963 500 had the bundle-of-snakes crossover exhaust system. I only attended the 500 once, I've always been glad it was the 1963 race.

With many thanks to Marc for stitching the pieces together, here's the third Lotus 29 cutaway by Gordon Bruce. Marc's ability is amazing and much appreciated; I know where the seam should be but I can't find it!

I've been viewing this thread with great interest over the past year or so, and while recovering from surgery the past two weeks have had the opportunity to go through the first 60 pages. Thanks everyone for sharing the cutaways and the look behind the curtain provided by those who produce them.

My interest in things mechanical was stimulated at a young age by the three-view and cross section drawings of railway locomotives in various modeling magazines. I could study them for hours and actually grasped how the mechanical components worked, although it took a few college level courses in thermodynamics to understand how the super-heated steam portion functioned. Around 1962 I discovered Road & Track and Sports Car Graphic and their beautiful cutaway drawings, and I was doomed forever to think as an engineer. Not that there's anything wrong with being able to think in three or four dimensions.

With many thanks to Marc for stitching the pieces together, here's the third Lotus 29 cutaway by Gordon Bruce. Marc's ability is amazing and much appreciated; I know where the seam should be but I can't find it!

I've been viewing this thread with great interest over the past year or so, and while recovering from surgery the past two weeks have had the opportunity to go through the first 60 pages. Thanks everyone for sharing the cutaways and the look behind the curtain provided by those who produce them.

My interest in things mechanical was stimulated at a young age by the three-view and cross section drawings of railway locomotives in various modeling magazines. I could study them for hours and actually grasped how the mechanical components worked, although it took a few college level courses in thermodynamics to understand how the super-heated steam portion functioned. Around 1962 I discovered Road & Track and Sports Car Graphic and their beautiful cutaway drawings, and I was doomed forever to think as an engineer. Not that there's anything wrong with being able to think in three or four dimensions.

Again, thanks to all the contributors to this thread.

That is beautiful. Thanks for sharing. I am also amazed with Unknown Artist. He seems to have done an amazing and varied range of automobiles! A merry Christmas, Holiday and New Years. I am off to Miami for much warmer weather!

To all you, who maintain this wonderful and good humored thread alive, specially Marc and Toni Mateus (Portuguese version), I'm posting a special recipe for Christmas cookies, which was given to me many years ago by my old aunt Gilda who lives in Portland (Oregon, USA), and is a "cordon-bleu cuisinière" .

Ah Oscar - thanks for the recipe - I have tears running down my face. I've been having a nightmarish time sorting out my taxes (I've misplaced my invoice book) and felt thoroughly miserable until I read your post.

I'm glad aunt Gilda recipe makes you feel happy in the middle of a tax nightmare. That matches well her spirit. I wish you a Happy Christmas and all your tax problems solved.

Are you talkin' to me?

Merry ChristmasLuis Antonio Mateus (portuguese indeed)

Sometime ago people here were kidding with Tony Matthews name in French and other languages, IIRC they forgot to mention his name in Portuguese. I targeted him and shot you, I didn't knew you had an Antonio between Luis and Mateus, I only knew the Luis Mateus, the Portuguese Brickyard. Happy Christmas to all you, Tony Matthews, Toni Mateus, Toine Matthieu, and Toni Matteo.

In the process of looking for Christmas decorations in the attic I found an album of 35mm Kodachrome slides of artwork - this included. It is not very good but shows a drawing in the middle of morphing into colour - or is it? Perhaps it was a painting, and the paint is being slowly, carefully removed to reveal the drawing! Stranger things have happened...