En relación a Re: Nationalism of oppressed countries, again! (w,
el 18 Feb 01, a las 13:13, Xxxx Xxxxxx dijo:
> It seems that Nestor is saying that we can not expect anything from the
> Israeli working class to fight for the Palestinian cause, because they are
> the working classes of the imperialist nation. They are incorporated by their
> own bourgeoisie--Israel. They intentionally, orunintentionally, share with
> their own bourgeoisie the idea that Arabs shouldbe part of the Israeli
> state. They are pro-nationalist; pro-Zionist etc..
If this is what Xxxx has read, then I must have written in a very bad
calligraphy. I don't believe that "we can not expect anything from the
Israeli working class to fight for the Palestinian cause, because they are
the working classes of the imperialist nation". Any oppressed class has a
potential to arise, and the Israelis do have their own potential, which I do
not dismiss at all. I am becoming gloomier with time, but this is an entirely
different thing, most probably related with age than with revolution.
What I am stressing is that the position raised by MS does not help raise the
sraeli Jewish working class above its own level of consciousness. I would also
like to point out something else:
The Israeli working class is not "pro-Zionist". It is _Zionist_, and Zionist
will remain while it supports the existence of a distinct State of Israel, the
Zionist state. A "socialist independent Israel" would always be an "indepndent
Zionist state" and would be as reactionary as the current Israeli state is.
I am not against cooperation between working classes in the Middle East or
elsewhere. My point, the point that raised the polemics, is that while the
State of Israel must disappear the unified Arab state is yet to be born. I am
fighting against the idea that every bourgeoisie is _just_ a bourgeoisie, every
working class is _just_ a working class, and every state is _just_ a state.
That is, I am against the rejection of Lenin's theories on imperialism. I would
like the comrades in Israel to explain that while Israel remains a Zionist
state, then there will never exist a prospect of war. But no, the comrades in
MS dedicate long paragraphs to criticizing the Palestinian Authority. When they
show that they are consistently anti-Zionist, I may begin to have a milder idea
on their propositions. The idea of two independent socialist states is, in my
own view, a smart way to circumvent the litmust test of Zionism and anti-
Zionism.
Fight your own, Zionist, bourgeoisie.
This was something Matzpen knew very well.
Néstor Miguel Gorojovsky
gorojovsky at arnet.com.ar