Wa... yeah. i can get behind that so long as it still retains that -4 for holding any capital with the bonus. Tang... I can get behind that as well. Tang needs to be a strong area, but perhaps I might have over done it. Gaya... I'm not liking it. I don't like the idea of Gaya being a good place to hole up and use as a base of operations. I think it make Gaya too powerful. Their historical function was to be a weak confederacy that was absorbed by Baekje and Silla, the map ought to reflect this towards the middle part of the game.

Well, I think Gaya would still be relatively weak, due to small size and each territory being a border. But I also understand your reasoning, so I'll go ahead and change Tang & Wa.

I agree with natty (and by the transitive property, myself ) here. Gaya would still be pretty weak, given its position and borders. Could Gaya's absorption possibly imply that it was valuable to a certain extent? You could use that philosophy with the increase. Even so, like natty and I said, it'd still be weak and by no means a smart place for a base of operations.

Sorry, a bit lost... +2 for which two territories? Gaya? If its Gaya I think it might be too much. I mean, plus 4 for a region that is only four territories in size? Even if they are all borders... that's a little steep.

Man, I wish there was something in between... 1 for 2 seems a bit low, and 2 for 2 seems too high.

I mean, if you don't also hold Silla, then holding all of Gaya is really hard because Geumgwan-gaya is separated from the rest and behind Silla's capital... So a bonus of 2 really doesn't seem worthwhile for holding all of it. But then a bonus of 4 is too much, because Gaya will be an easy addition to Silla, making Silla + Gaya too powerful...

I think, unless we can find a good compromise, I will side with IH here, we should keep it at 1/2.

For the green junk (jeez, I feel like I'm saying something inappropriate ) Muju makes sense just because it's right there, but given that Tarina is a red/green striped territory, it might be good to put the green junk on Hwang-Sanbeol since it borders the red area. Either way I think is good, though I think I might lean toward Hwang-Sanbeol.

My reasoning behind the green junk is that Gaya had trade relations with Japan and were the primary exporter of technology to Kyushu. They also had political ties of some sort to Yamato Japan. So it makes sense for them to have some sort of sea ability and relation with Japan.

Though, if you guys want the junk to be place at Hwangsanbeol, that would work too as Wa was defeated by Goguryeo in the mouth of the Geum River (which is right about there).

My most favored solution would be another green junk to form a triangle between these three places.

Industrial Helix wrote:My reasoning behind the green junk is that Gaya had trade relations with Japan and were the primary exporter of technology to Kyushu. They also had political ties of some sort to Yamato Japan. So it makes sense for them to have some sort of sea ability and relation with Japan.

Though, if you guys want the junk to be place at Hwangsanbeol, that would work too as Wa was defeated by Goguryeo in the mouth of the Geum River (which is right about there).

My most favored solution would be another green junk to form a triangle between these three places.

if there are records that gaya had relations with Japan, why there is -4 if you hold wa and any capital? what about -4 for wa and any capital except bon-gaya?

I don't know, IH has a good point about Gaya & Japan having had past relations, so having the connection in Aragaya would make sense.

Then again, Hwangsanbeol would make sense too, in the sense that the owner of Silla could easily use it to take Tamna which gives additional bonus to Silla - so it would sort of reward Silla for assaulting Baekje, which fits historical facts well.

So there are historical arguments for both options.

Then again, we could also have a green junk in both Aragaya and Hwangsanbeol (or Bon-Gaya & Hwangsanbeol), but it seems a little redundant to me since they are already adjacent to each other.