Holder fired back by invoking the McCarthy-era line, "Have you no shame?"

To which Issa retorted, "Have YOU no shame?"

The actual line, uttered to McCarthy during a 1954 hearing by Army counsel Joseph Nye Welch, was, "Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?" You can watch video of Welch's famous line here.

Holder fired back by invoking the McCarthy-era line, "Have you no shame?"

To which Issa retorted, "Have YOU no shame?"

The actual line, uttered to McCarthy during a 1954 hearing by Army counsel Joseph Nye Welch, was, "Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?" You can watch video of Welch's famous line here.

My my... Holder compares hearings as to why the ATF agent killed by ATF weapons under orders signed by Holder.. is the same???

Of course it is! The poor Holder has NO legs to stand on because either he is LYING through his teeth OR he is totally unaware of his subordinates activities which makes him INCOMPETENT!

Click to expand...

McCarthy received that response after he had questioned the loyalty of one of the Senator's staffers -- who turned out to be, wait for it....take a guess....that's right! The guy McCarthy had questioned the Senator about turned out to be working with a Communist spy ring

Holder, a law abiding citizen and public servant was merely responding to an ex? criminal given the power to investigate, "corruption".

But it might have been a charge to Republicans/conservatives at large.

You elect and appoint criminals to government. Have you no shame?

Click to expand...

Sallow....you are a rational man....no one will answer this question of mine....maybe you will?

Several months ago, when Holder was questioned about his Knowledge of Fast and Furious, he said he had just heard about it a few weeks ago.
After he was pressed on it, he then clarified by saying it may have been several months ago.
Fine, I am OK with his clarification of what a few weeks meant.
However....I need to understand something...

He admitted little knowledge of the details of the operation becuase he has much on his plate and many scenarios playing out and he can not concentrate on all of them at once and the F and F program was one he was not completely concentrating on.

Ok. I understand...his is a very busy position. But I need to question something.

Fast and Furious was an operation where we, the US, was selling high tech armaments to the Mexican Drug Cartels...who are deemed by the Mexican government as the enem,y of Mexico. We did not inform the Mexican Government of the operation. We knew those arms were being shipped over the border of Mexico. Our intentions werre nobel, granted....but the bottom line is this...

The US was furnishing the enemy of our ally with Arms that could be used against our ally and this was done without the knowledge of our ally while using the border of our ally....something that can be deemed as an act of war.

Now...if that is not an operation that required Holders in depth knowledge, then what would?

Why did he feel the need to have in depth knowledge AND INVOLVEMENT as it pertains to a domestic criminal case involving two New Black Panthers...but he did not feel the need to have in depth knowledge of an action that can be deemed by an ally as an act of war?

Who is the "you" shit? Are you suggesting Democrats do not elect, and re-elect criminals at every level of government?

Click to expand...

Let's just check the current news items...

Former Gov of Illinois getting 15 years for corruption? Former Gov. of New Jersey's company "lost" a billion dollars that belongs to it's investors? Refresh my memory, Sallow...were those guys Democrats or Republicans?

Eric Holder's DOJ is a joke. That Barack Obama would put the guy who arranged the Marc Rich pardon in charge of our justice system was a travesty in the first place. Since then Holder's given us the New Black Panther debacle in Philly, the Gibson Guitar debacle in Nashville, the Boeing plant debacle in South Carolina and the Fast & Furious debacle on our southern border. Has there ever been an Attorney General who managed to combine incompetence with corruption in such a stunning manner?

We also know that Holder was told via internal DOJ communications as early as 2010 about the operation:

In a July 2010 memo, Michael Walther, director of the National Drug Intelligence Center, told Holder straw buyers in the Operation Fast and Furious case are responsible for the purchase of 1,500 firearms that were then supplied to the Mexican drug trafficking cartels.

Also, on October 18, 2010, one of Holders chief deputies, Lanny Breuer, chief of the departments Criminal Division, told Holder in a memo that prosecutors were ready to issue indictments in Operation Fast and Furious

Documents also show, contrary to earlier reports, the Justice Department was aware that ATF agents under the departments direction were involved in the controversial practice known as gun walking  allowing illicit gun sales to proceed to track the traffickers to higher-ups. The department has said it did not allow guns to walk.

Click to expand...

Further, Holder stated on May 3, 2011 that he had just heard about F&F. Yet, Obama himself said in March of that year that Holder knew:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujsbBzNOJ1M]Eric Holder Lied to Congress on Fast and Furious - YouTube[/ame]

Also, documents obtained by CBS News show Attorney General Eric Holder was sent briefings on F&F as far back as July 2010. That directly contradicts his statement to Congress.

Then let's not forget that just last Friday, the DOJ admitted that a letter provided by Assistant AG Ron Weich on Feb. 4, 2010 was a lie when he insisted The allegation . . . that ATF sanctioned or otherwise knowingly allowed the sale of assault weapons . . . is false. The ATF, Weich went on, makes every effort to interdict weapons that have been purchased illegally and prevent their transportation to Mexico..

We also know that Weichs letter was edited by Jason Weinstein, a deputy to Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer, who forwarded various drafts to his boss. Is someone seriously suggesting Weich lied to Congress without his bosses knowledge? Really?

And why did the Obama administration recently sealed the court records relating to agent Terrys murder? I wonder...

Former Gov of Illinois getting 15 years for corruption? Former Gov. of New Jersey's company "lost" a billion dollars that belongs to it's investors? Refresh my memory, Sallow...were those guys Democrats or Republicans?

Useful Searches

About USMessageBoard.com

USMessageBoard.com was founded in 2003 with the intent of allowing all voices to be heard. With a wildly diverse community from all sides of the political spectrum, USMessageBoard.com continues to build on that tradition. We welcome everyone despite political and/or religious beliefs, and we continue to encourage the right to free speech.

Come on in and join the discussion. Thank you for stopping by USMessageBoard.com!