I'm deeply puzzled why there's not only a belief the US won't extradite her but that this is a good thing.

The US has a far from unblemished record in locking up and, indeed, executing innocent people, but I suspect most Americans would want a person who faced a murder charge in the US to be extradited from Italy, irrespective of the view of the case held by the Italian populace and/or its media.

Bungles:SnarfVader: Bungles: TwistedFark: Bungles: I was on a trip in the US at the height of the case.... the USA had coverage that is radically different from how the rest of the world perceived it.

Be aware that if you're in the US, you've been presented this case through an incredibly strong prism of "innocent American girl abroad", with a massive PR campaign focused on a "corrupt system".. Check out the coverage in essentially neutral countries on this, like Australia or Germany. It is not positive of Knox.

I live in Australia, it's not negative towards Knox. If anything, the take away is - corrupt and incompetant prosecutor, girl is probably innocent.

That's just not true, I was in Melbourne for a huge chunk of this trial. The common view was "corrupt mess of a system" that was pushed into collapse by a massive US media interest, but that at the core of the case, Knox was not innocent (not premeditated, but some sort of manslaughter "everything went wrong" style narrative).

It's not entirely different from certain current views of the Pistorius case..

I haven't heard anybody here claim Pistorius is innocent. I think you're just making things up now.

SnarfVader:Bungles: SnarfVader: Bungles: TwistedFark: Bungles: I was on a trip in the US at the height of the case.... the USA had coverage that is radically different from how the rest of the world perceived it.

Be aware that if you're in the US, you've been presented this case through an incredibly strong prism of "innocent American girl abroad", with a massive PR campaign focused on a "corrupt system".. Check out the coverage in essentially neutral countries on this, like Australia or Germany. It is not positive of Knox.

I live in Australia, it's not negative towards Knox. If anything, the take away is - corrupt and incompetant prosecutor, girl is probably innocent.

That's just not true, I was in Melbourne for a huge chunk of this trial. The common view was "corrupt mess of a system" that was pushed into collapse by a massive US media interest, but that at the core of the case, Knox was not innocent (not premeditated, but some sort of manslaughter "everything went wrong" style narrative).

It's not entirely different from certain current views of the Pistorius case..

I haven't heard anybody here claim Pistorius is innocent. I think you're just making things up now.

TwistedFark:For a while there I was using it as a litmus test to judge individuals critical thinking abilities. Sadly - most people are quite happy to be led by the nose, a fact that probably shouldn't surprise anyone.

JMacPA:maddogdelta: Wicked Chinchilla: Its been a while, but IIRC, he could have a happy ending, he just chooses not too. In the movie he forgives his would-be wife they and their son go live "happily ever after" fabulously rich.

This was the original story..

A recent book about it is here

Have you ever read the count of Monte Cristo? Having your father imprisoned for two years and then dying poor may be an inspirational starting place, but it hardly makes it a true story.

That's like Tom Clancy knowing a guy in the CIA who once went to Columbia and therefore claiming all his books are based on a true story.

I did not make any claims as to the story's veracity. I merely pointed out the biography of the person that most scholars believe was the influence for the novel "The Count of Monte Christo". Hence, the wording I chose "The original STORY"

If you want to browbeat me with your GED in Historical Liturachure, fine. But frankly, pick a fight with someone who gives a shiat, mmmmmmkay?

miss diminutive:I completely missed this case the first time around, but was there actually any evidence against her or was it simply a case of local authorities needing to pin it on someone and she was simply a suspect by virtue of living in the house?

According to the article they don't have a weapon, don't have a motive and haven't been able to come up with a scenario that makes sense and fits the evidence(which has been mishandled). It sounds suspiciously like the local authorities have nothing and were trying to pin the whole thing on the foreign girl.

Bungles:SnarfVader: Bungles: SnarfVader: Bungles: TwistedFark: Bungles: I was on a trip in the US at the height of the case.... the USA had coverage that is radically different from how the rest of the world perceived it.

Be aware that if you're in the US, you've been presented this case through an incredibly strong prism of "innocent American girl abroad", with a massive PR campaign focused on a "corrupt system".. Check out the coverage in essentially neutral countries on this, like Australia or Germany. It is not positive of Knox.

I live in Australia, it's not negative towards Knox. If anything, the take away is - corrupt and incompetant prosecutor, girl is probably innocent.

That's just not true, I was in Melbourne for a huge chunk of this trial. The common view was "corrupt mess of a system" that was pushed into collapse by a massive US media interest, but that at the core of the case, Knox was not innocent (not premeditated, but some sort of manslaughter "everything went wrong" style narrative).

It's not entirely different from certain current views of the Pistorius case..

I haven't heard anybody here claim Pistorius is innocent. I think you're just making things up now.

Ummmmm.... I didn't suggest anyone has.

Then the Pistorius case is not an apt comparison to the Knox case.

I'm not quite sure you've grasped the comparison I was making.

Alright. Can you clarify what type of comparison you are making between the two cases, please? I thought perhaps you were trying to say the American media views Pistorius as innocent and the system in South Africa as corrupt.

FarkinNortherner:I'm deeply puzzled why there's not only a belief the US won't extradite her but that this is a good thing.

The US has a far from unblemished record in locking up and, indeed, executing innocent people, but I suspect most Americans would want a person who faced a murder charge in the US to be extradited from Italy, irrespective of the view of the case held by the Italian populace and/or its media.

Somewhere out there, behind a locked door in a room without windows, somebody is contemplating how they can use Amanda Knox as a bargaining chip for Julian Assange.

Who in the hell will ever date this chick? There's probably dudes that would fark her, but there's no way they'd ever fall asleep beside her. She's basically on the same date-ability level as Joran van der Sloot and Casey Anthony. Imagine that dating game line-up. "All right contestant A, if you were an ice cube, where would you like to travel?" "Well, Chuck, first I'd fashion a garrote from a tweed cord and a paintbrush handle. Then, when that's good an tight, I'd put a Winnie The Pooh sticker over her mouth to muffle the rape sounds. Then, as I was having a third orgasm, I'd use the filet knife I stole from Jimmy Buffet's Margaritaville to slice her throat from ear to ear, OJ style, my personal hero." "Where's the ice cube in all of this?" "Oh, I almost forgot, I'd pound the ice cube into her eye socket with my fist to get her good and horny." "Great answer. Contestant B?"

doubled99:Fark this murdering biatch. Maybe they can figure a way to retry Casey Anthony while they're at it.Can't believe all the dupes here.

Please expound on what evidence there is that Ms. Knox killed anyone.

Yeah. Like this is the forum for presenting evidence. I'll wait until you've read all the court transcripts and testimony.

What? We know the basic facts of the case. They had a trial. Please let us know which facts point to Ms. Knox being the perpetrator. (Keep in mind that a guy's semen was found in the victim and his bloody handprint was found at the scene).

SnarfVader:Bungles: SnarfVader: Bungles: SnarfVader: Bungles: TwistedFark: Bungles: I was on a trip in the US at the height of the case.... the USA had coverage that is radically different from how the rest of the world perceived it.

Be aware that if you're in the US, you've been presented this case through an incredibly strong prism of "innocent American girl abroad", with a massive PR campaign focused on a "corrupt system".. Check out the coverage in essentially neutral countries on this, like Australia or Germany. It is not positive of Knox.

I live in Australia, it's not negative towards Knox. If anything, the take away is - corrupt and incompetant prosecutor, girl is probably innocent.

That's just not true, I was in Melbourne for a huge chunk of this trial. The common view was "corrupt mess of a system" that was pushed into collapse by a massive US media interest, but that at the core of the case, Knox was not innocent (not premeditated, but some sort of manslaughter "everything went wrong" style narrative).

It's not entirely different from certain current views of the Pistorius case..

I haven't heard anybody here claim Pistorius is innocent. I think you're just making things up now.

Ummmmm.... I didn't suggest anyone has.

Then the Pistorius case is not an apt comparison to the Knox case.

I'm not quite sure you've grasped the comparison I was making.

Alright. Can you clarify what type of comparison you are making between the two cases, please? I thought perhaps you were trying to say the American media views Pistorius as innocent and the system in South Africa as corrupt.

I mean that something widely viewed as a mess of a judicial system (SA local courts and Italian local courts) that were pushed into collapse by a massive media interest (like the circus around the bail trial and the whole of the Knox trial) where essentially lowish level district officials are suddenly dancing for an international crowd (and basking amateurishly in the limelight), but that at the core of the cases, neither are innocent, but probably not premeditated.

You could even argue that the vast majority of people who consider either innocent are also those in their home countries, whereas the international community sees things quite differently.

Bungles:I was on a trip in the US at the height of the case.... the USA had coverage that is radically different from how the rest of the world perceived it.

Be aware that if you're in the US, you've been presented this case through an incredibly strong prism of "innocent American girl abroad", with a massive PR campaign focused on a "corrupt system".. Check out the coverage in essentially neutral countries on this, like Australia or Germany. It is not positive of Knox.

This suggests that you believe that coverage anywhere else is less biased and there is no geopolitical interest in 'sticking it to those asshole Americans'.

I have experienced the same as some in this thread. Europeans are so sure that she is guilty but none of them can point to any evidence or established fact. I see the public getting caught up in media frenzy is not exclusive to the American public.

ElPresidente:There's no doubting the Italian justice system is idiotic, but it's in pretty good company there worldwide, and that, or being an American abroad, doesn't automatically make Knox innocent. That young woman's behaviour has been odd in the extreme from immediately after her arrest onwards, and certainly suspicious enough to warrant her arrest and a trial, which of course will now never be fair or just unless accidentally. If the trial was about being a coont, she's be found guilty in a few minutes.

As for those Farkers saying EU extradition rights over US citizens is unfair, that's laughable in the extreme - quite the opposite is true. The US have FAR more power to extradite EU citizens to the US, unfairly so. Try reading up on Gary McKinnon as just one example and the disgraceful amount of time and effort spent trying to extradite him, or Christohper Tappin, who thought he was exporting car batteries to the Netherlands only to find out they were batteries for 25-year-old missiles in Iran (which might not even still exist), was extradited and told he could either plead guilty and get 33 months in prison, or stand trial and perhaps get 30 years. But the EU have almost no power in extraditing US citizens to stand trial.

Some poor sod was brutualy murdered, and I'm not convinced she's innocent just because the legal system is guilty of being stupid.

Just because we have issues with the US over the misuse of an extradition treaty by over zealous federal authorities and attention whore DAs does not mean that some poor American student and her ex should be sacrificed to soothe your rage.The reputation for incompetance and corruption on the part the Italian authorities, the piss poor lack of explanation of means, motive or opportunity for Knox and Sollecito to assault Kercher plus Guedes habit of beaking into places armed with a knife and the plentiful forensic evidence all point to Guede. It's just patheticly naive to believe anything else.

I live near Cambridge and know well that students can act like arses sometimes.Sometimes life is racist and unfortunately it was the black guy addicted to hard drugs as much as you'd like it to be the middle class white girl.

Popcorn Johnny:What's funny about this is that Knox has a book coming out soon, so at least she's getting some extra publicity which should help sales.

Scenario that comes to mind is pretty much Italian Mafia: courts find out she is about to make some money off the book and decide to retry the case for one, the extra publicity for sales; two, they want a cut of the profits and if they don't get it they will reconvict her.

/I wouldn't be surprised if she burned her passport at the first family BBQ after getting home

Fark this murdering biatch. Maybe they can figure a way to retry Casey Anthony while they're at it.Can't believe all the dupes here.

Please expound on what evidence there is that Ms. Knox killed anyone.

Yeah. Like this is the forum for presenting evidence. I'll wait until you've read all the court transcripts and testimony.

What? We know the basic facts of the case. They had a trial. Please let us know which facts point to Ms. Knox being the perpetrator. (Keep in mind that a guy's semen was found in the victim and his bloody handprint was found at the scene).

They had a trial and everything? Oh. well I guess that settles that, then.Wonder why people are still upset about the Anthony or Simpson trials

GungFu:TwistedFark: The common thread here - no citation of a motive, a witness, even placing Knox at the time of the crime scene, a murder weapon, or any other physical evidence. However she was "acting odd" at least, according to british tabloids, hence you're not convinced she's innocent.

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Hai Guyz, what's going on in dis thread?

Look behind him, Mark Hamil did get work after the trilogy...hes apparently a bailiff.

doubled99:Fark this murdering biatch. Maybe they can figure a way to retry Casey Anthony while they're at it.Can't believe all the dupes here.

Please expound on what evidence there is that Ms. Knox killed anyone.

Yeah. Like this is the forum for presenting evidence. I'll wait until you've read all the court transcripts and testimony.

What? We know the basic facts of the case. They had a trial. Please let us know which facts point to Ms. Knox being the perpetrator. (Keep in mind that a guy's semen was found in the victim and his bloody handprint was found at the scene).

They had a trial and everything? Oh. well I guess that settles that, then.Wonder why people are still upset about the Anthony or Simpson trials

doubled99:Fark this murdering biatch. Maybe they can figure a way to retry Casey Anthony while they're at it.Can't believe all the dupes here.

Please expound on what evidence there is that Ms. Knox killed anyone.

Yeah. Like this is the forum for presenting evidence. I'll wait until you've read all the court transcripts and testimony.

What? We know the basic facts of the case. They had a trial. Please let us know which facts point to Ms. Knox being the perpetrator. (Keep in mind that a guy's semen was found in the victim and his bloody handprint was found at the scene).

They had a trial and everything? Oh. well I guess that settles that, then.Wonder why people are still upset about the Anthony or Simpson trials

Look at Zimmerman. Mainstream media even alters police phone calls to make him look guilty. Our President came out and sided with Traypack. No evidence anywhere to support that, does not stop liberals. Foreign countries are even worse. The coverage of Traypack is absolutely terrible.

No murder weapon was found and they could arrive at no motive and the DNA was flawed, so the prosecutors say the acquittal of Knox was illogical??? Sounds to me like the acquittal was going to happen. I would love for our officials to review the case and tell Italy "No" on the extradition. Yes, while they can't tell Italy that they have to obey U.S. law with the bit of Double Jeopardy in a murder case that happened on Italian soil, they can still say "Unless you have any more evidence against Knox we aren't going to give up a U.S. citizen so you can continue re-trying the case until you get a conviction."

FarkinNortherner:I'm deeply puzzled why there's not only a belief the US won't extradite her but that this is a good thing.

The US has a far from unblemished record in locking up and, indeed, executing innocent people, but I suspect most Americans would want a person who faced a murder charge in the US to be extradited from Italy, irrespective of the view of the case held by the Italian populace and/or its media.

Not if we had already attempted a prosecution on this mystery Italian, and the evidence was spotty at best. I think protection from a second prosecution for the same crime is a fundamental pillar of our legal system in the States, and the guilt/innocence of the person doesn't matter. Maybe the prosecution shouldn't suck so badly next time?

The Italians won't be seeing her until the mystery Italian you speak of becomes a real person.

GungFu:Oh Hai, Yanks! My name is Patrick Lumumba.Your Innocent Pretty White American Girl Abroad, Amanda Knox, accused me of killing Meredith Kircher.I spent two weeks in jail because of her baseless accusation.As I said before, Knox is a coont.

As I said before you're naive if you think you wouldn't have said the same thing in her position. The police wanted her to say something and they get what they want if they have you. That goes, double, triple in a country like Italy.Would you have lasted as long as her before cracking? Maybe you would have used your extensive interrogation training to resist, eh? Or busted free using your SAS combat skills and tracked down the real killer with mad detective skills then proven your case in court as the credits rolled?Or maybe you'd have been like the rest of us ordinary mortals, crying an interrogation room in confusion as thuggish peasants in suits scream spittle in your face from six inches away for a day solid?

Great Janitor:No murder weapon was found and they could arrive at no motive and the DNA was flawed, so the prosecutors say the acquittal of Knox was illogical??? Sounds to me like the acquittal was going to happen. I would love for our officials to review the case and tell Italy "No" on the extradition. Yes, while they can't tell Italy that they have to obey U.S. law with the bit of Double Jeopardy in a murder case that happened on Italian soil, they can still say "Unless you have any more evidence against Knox we aren't going to give up a U.S. citizen so you can continue re-trying the case until you get a conviction."

Years ago, while in Rome; I and an Italian police officer witness an old man attempt to fondel a lady. Apon discovering that; both I and the victim were Americans, and the old man was Italian; the Italian police officer proceeded to state that the lady should watch where she stood next time and left, without lifting a finger.

Cheeseface:FarkinNortherner: I'm deeply puzzled why there's not only a belief the US won't extradite her but that this is a good thing.

The US has a far from unblemished record in locking up and, indeed, executing innocent people, but I suspect most Americans would want a person who faced a murder charge in the US to be extradited from Italy, irrespective of the view of the case held by the Italian populace and/or its media.

Not if we had already attempted a prosecution on this mystery Italian, and the evidence was spotty at best. I think protection from a second prosecution for the same crime is a fundamental pillar of our legal system in the States, and the guilt/innocence of the person doesn't matter. Maybe the prosecution shouldn't suck so badly next time?

The Italians won't be seeing her until the mystery Italian you speak of becomes a real person.

Not to mention the Mystery Italian would be given a lawyer could he not afford one and all that testimony without one would be inadmissable. Even OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony were afforded such a right.