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So Delibird really does have over 180 effective Base Atk with a Choice Band and Hustle. And just wondering, did you actually double check his calc on Dragonite, or did you just assume that it was wrong?

So Delibird really does have over 180 effective Base Atk with a Choice Band and Hustle. And just wondering, did you actually double check his calc on Dragonite, or did you just assume that it was wrong?

I'm waiting for the day that Delibird actually gets some love, he's a pretty cool guy and he can do quite well with that equivalent of a base 184 Attack stat, as long as Rocks are off of the field anyway.

To be fair, 184 isn't that much, especially considering that includes his Choice Band boost (without Choice Band he only has something like 105 base attack) and best attacking options have low BP (Ice Punch + Aerial Ace??). Taking into account item boosts CB Metagross has 227 base attack and Rivalry CB Haxorus has 319.. but they can use actually competent STAB moves like Meteor Mash and Outrage.

To be fair, 184 isn't that much, especially considering that includes his Choice Band boost (without Choice Band he only has something like 105 base attack) and best attacking options have low BP (Ice Punch + Aerial Ace??). Taking into account item boosts CB Metagross has 227 base attack and Rivalry CB Haxorus has 319.. but they can use actually competent STAB moves like Meteor Mash and Outrage.

tl;dr version: Delibird sucks, but I'm sure this is news to no one.

True, but in RU or NU, where the metagame is arguably slower and less powerful, look out. Ice Shard can actually deal some good damage to things like Braviary.

Why not just use Piloswine? Effectively the same attack, but STAB EQ, better defenses and.. well pretty much better in every way.

Piloswine isn't as Christmasy. Duh.

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Deilibird. Who doesn't love him. This guy has so many random moves, it doesn't even make sense. Why Splash and Rapid Spin? How can he learn Seed Bomb or Gunk Shot? Whatever, it makes him a bit more gimmicky
Anyway, although I'm a bit late to create some sets, imma do it anyway

Abilities:Vital Spirit: You can't fall asleep.Hustle: Boosts Attack, but only 80% accuracy. Basically his only good ability.Insmonia (Hidden): Thanks a bunch, GameFreak, for giving Delibird two abilities that do exactly the same thing.

Don't even think about using Delibird in Doubles and Triples. Just don't.

Partners
Abomasnow is always nice. Besides him, you need spinners. Wartortle has worked astonishingly well for spinning and taking out counters for Delibird. Screens will help, as Delibird has really low Defenses.

Countering Deribado
If you can survive any of his attacks (which is really likely), you can kill it. Its Defenses are horrid, so almost anything that does neutral damage or more will kill it. Every single Fire type, bar Camerupt, will defeat this guy. Most Rock types kill it. Steel types wall this guy to death. So do Water types. Delibird isn't very hard to beat.

I still say this thing needs Wonderguard or Pure Power to be even remotely usable.

.. and Pure Power probably wouldn't even be enough.

Or a signature move called Christmas Beam, a 100% Acc Ice Type Special move which varies in base power (from 1 to 150) depending on what time of year it was. The closer it gets to chrismas, the higher it's BP.

Or a signature move called Christmas Beam, a 100% Acc Ice Type Special move which varies in base power (from 1 to 150) depending on what time of year it was. The closer it gets to chrismas, the higher it's BP.

Just edit your DS clock...

And I don't think that would make it competitively useful. It's stats and typing are just too awful.

I like delibird...I mean it's based on santa! The red body, te white beard and even the tail that can be held as a bag filled with present!

OK competitively it sucks but not every pokemon is meant to be good in that domain! The movepool by itself shows that! It can learn only present by leveling up and splash by breeding and it's other options are not that better!

Anyway... Hustle is a good ability and Vital spirit/Insomnia are practically the same with situational usage. Despite having almost the same bad stats in ATT and Sp ATT it cannot be a mixed sweeper. The physical moveset with hustle can include the moves: Return, Brick break, Aerial ace, Ice punch, Ice shard, Seed bomb. There are some other moves but those are the best.
It's special moveset with Vital spirit/Insomnia can include: Ice beam, Blizzard, Frost breath, Signal beam, Hidden power and water pulse with no other decent moves. It's other moves can be in the moveset like Endure, Toxic, Hail, and "Substitute".

Delibird is a litterally cool pokemon but not good in the competitive scene even in the low tiers.

OK, as my friends know, Delibird is my mascot, my favorite Pokemon, etc. Sadly, he's impossible to use competitivly. Luckily, in NU, play your cards right and he can be a great Pokemon. NU wise he's a tiny bit bulky, so if you want to play defensive line, do it.

This is a custom set. Delibird is tough to pull of like this, but CAN be pulled off. Sub +Toxic can keep him alive for awhile. He also has a decent Attack NU wise. So, play your cards right and you can win. Just don't fold...

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Last edited by TVSmasher66; 24th December 2011 at 3:11 PM.

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NU wise he's a bit bulky, so if you want to play defensive line, do it.

Not even a bit bulky. Contrary to popular belief, NU isn't really the luvdisc's hideaway. Sawk has base 125 attack, while Absol has 130. Beheeyem has base 125 special attack. Amoongus has base 114 HP. Metang reaches 354 defense without any defense EVs or a beneficial nature. Articuno has 90/100/125 defenses. Delibird has 45 HP, 45 defense, and 45 special defense. How is that in any way bulky?

Delibird is as frail as heck, even when fighting in NU. Sure, NU has lots of pokemon with similar stats to it, but are anyone going to use those?

Or a signature move called Christmas Beam, a 100% Acc Ice Type Special move which varies in base power (from 1 to 150) depending on what time of year it was. The closer it gets to chrismas, the higher it's BP.

Nah, everybody who doesn't celebrate Christmas would complain. ... I bet they don't celebrate Christmas because Delibird's associated with it.

Would gunk shot hit anything for delibird, or is that useless on it? I can't think of anything, but 120 base power is still worth a shot.I'm atheist and I celebrate Christmas, more of a familial tradition rather then religious.Probably not.

It hits harder on Grass-types than STAB Ice Punch, but only slightly, 112v120, and you get better coverage with Ice Punch. Not saying you would ever use Delibird.

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OK, as my friends know, Delibird is my mascot, my favorite Pokemon, etc. Sadly, he's impossible to use competitivly. Luckily, in NU, play your cards right and he can be a great Pokemon. NU wise he's a bit bulky, so if you want to play defensive line, do it.

This is a custom set. Delibird is tough to pull of like this, but CAN be pulled off. Sub +Toxic can keep him alive for awhile. He also has a decent Attack NU wise. So, play your cards right and you can win. Just don't fold...