RE: "Could change everything": coin found off Australia may be from pre-1400...

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Quote:Experts believe they may have found a Kilwa coin that could change what we know about the history of global trade

I know more for global trade than he thinks.

The Myth of the Barter Economy

Quote:Adam Smith said that quid-pro-quo exchange systems preceded economies based on currency, but there’s no evidence that he was right.

Imagine life before money. Say, you made bread but you needed meat.

But what if the town butcher didn’t want your bread? You’d have to find someone who did, trading until you eventually got some meat.

You can see how this gets incredibly complicated and inefficient, which is why humans invented money: to make it easier to exchange goods. Right?

This historical world of barter sounds quite inconvenient. It also may be completely made up.

The man who arguably founded modern economic theory, the 18th-century Scottish philosopher Adam Smith, popularized the idea that barter was a precursor to money. In The Wealth of Nations, he describes an imaginary scenario in which a baker living before the invention of money wanted a butcher’s meat but had nothing the butcher wanted.“No exchange can, in this case, be made between them,” Smith wrote.

This sort of scenario was so undesirable that societies must have created money to facilitate trade, argues Smith. Aristotle had similar ideas, and they’re by now a fixture in just about every introductory economics textbook. “In simple, early economies, people engaged in barter,” reads one. (“The American Indian with a pony to dispose of had to wait until he met another Indian who wanted a pony and at the same time was able and willing to give for it a blanket or other commodity that he himself desired,” read an earlier one.)

But various anthropologists have pointed out that this barter economy has never been witnessed as researchers have traveled to undeveloped parts of the globe. “No example of a barter economy, pure and simple, has ever been described, let alone the emergence from it of money,” wrote the Cambridge anthropology professor Caroline Humphrey in a 1985 paper. “All available ethnography suggests that there never has been such a thing.”

RE: "Could change everything": coin found off Australia may be from pre-1400...

LoP GuestWrote: (05-15-2019 05:11 AM)

More lies and pro-abo propaganda trying to make out the aboriginals have been here for thousands of years and are traditional owners when they have only been in Australia for around 600 years.

The aboriginal propaganda is in overdrive as they try to take over more and more of the country and get more and more free sh*t at the taxpayers expense.

ALL these sudden *NEW* discoveries which have popped up in the last few years have been 100% sponsored by pro-aboriginal groups to produce results (with no REAL evidence, just made up assumptions) to push an agenda.

RE: "Could change everything": coin found off Australia may be from pre-1400...

LoP GuestWrote: (05-15-2019 05:11 AM)

More lies and pro-abo propaganda trying to make out the aboriginals have been here for thousands of years and are traditional owners when they have only been in Australia for around 600 years.

The aboriginal propaganda is in overdrive as they try to take over more and more of the country and get more and more free sh*t at the taxpayers expense.

ALL these sudden *NEW* discoveries which have popped up in the last few years have been 100% sponsored by pro-aboriginal groups to produce results (with no REAL evidence, just made up assumptions) to push an agenda.

I agree. Black races everywhere were in the stone age up until the 19th century. They had not even invented the wheel let alone metal tools and only because it was introduced to them. All the history books show black and white photos of black people with stone tools and spears.

RE: "Could change everything": coin found off Australia may be from pre-1400...

LoP GuestWrote: (05-15-2019 11:41 AM)

LoP GuestWrote: (05-15-2019 05:11 AM)

More lies and pro-abo propaganda trying to make out the aboriginals have been here for thousands of years and are traditional owners when they have only been in Australia for around 600 years.

The aboriginal propaganda is in overdrive as they try to take over more and more of the country and get more and more free sh*t at the taxpayers expense.

ALL these sudden *NEW* discoveries which have popped up in the last few years have been 100% sponsored by pro-aboriginal groups to produce results (with no REAL evidence, just made up assumptions) to push an agenda.

I agree. Black races everywhere were in the stone age up until the 19th century. They had not even invented the wheel let alone metal tools and only because it was introduced to them. All the history books show black and white photos of black people with stone tools and spears.

That is not true at all

Africans practiced metallurgy for centuries if not millennia prior to colonial times

RE: "Could change everything": coin found off Australia may be from pre-1400...

LoP GuestWrote: (05-15-2019 04:01 AM)

Oh please. Not this story again.

CNN reported this story back in June 2013.

This guy found these 9 coins in 1944 in the Wessel Islands, Australia. They sat in a tin can until 1979 before sending them off to be studied.

The 9 coins that were found included 4 Dutch East India Company coins.

The Dutch found Australia (Nouveau Hollande) in 1644. Abel Tasman (Tasmania) also sailed around the North and West Coast of Australia and mapped it. Including extensive time in the area of the Wessel Islands which had been previously explored and mapped in 1636, and previously discovered in 1623.

In other words, there was extensive Dutch exploration, which would explain the Dutch East India Coins in the lot.

Occam's razor, a Dutch sailor dropped his coin purse, which included some old coins collected in Africa as souvenirs/good luck coins.

So an australian sailor could've thrown them off his boat, they got found in 1944 and were of no relevance till 79.

RE: "Could change everything": coin found off Australia may be from pre-1400...

LoP GuestWrote: (05-15-2019 01:10 PM)

LoP GuestWrote: (05-15-2019 04:01 AM)

Oh please. Not this story again.

CNN reported this story back in June 2013.

This guy found these 9 coins in 1944 in the Wessel Islands, Australia. They sat in a tin can until 1979 before sending them off to be studied.

The 9 coins that were found included 4 Dutch East India Company coins.

The Dutch found Australia (Nouveau Hollande) in 1644. Abel Tasman (Tasmania) also sailed around the North and West Coast of Australia and mapped it. Including extensive time in the area of the Wessel Islands which had been previously explored and mapped in 1636, and previously discovered in 1623.

In other words, there was extensive Dutch exploration, which would explain the Dutch East India Coins in the lot.

Occam's razor, a Dutch sailor dropped his coin purse, which included some old coins collected in Africa as souvenirs/good luck coins.

So an australian sailor could've thrown them off his boat, they got found in 1944 and were of no relevance till 79.

That makes a lot more sense that what these idiots are proposing.

An Australian soldier having served in Africa, India, Ceylon, could have collected them, and later lost them. However, it is logical to accept that the coins had been on the island for several hundred years and were simply lost by a Dutch sailor who had been sent ashore as a landing party.

Even though there is historical evidence to suggest there was extensive Arab trade between the East Coast of Africa and India. China was trading with Jakarta in the 12th Century. The The Majapahit Empire was in Southeast Indonesia (Bali and Timor) as early as 1260.

The point is, there has been trade in the area for at least 1000 years. If it is European Christian, it generally is dismissed.

RE: "Could change everything": coin found off Australia may be from pre-1400...

eSheepWrote: (05-15-2019 12:08 PM)

LoP GuestWrote: (05-15-2019 11:41 AM)

I agree. Black races everywhere were in the stone age up until the 19th century. They had not even invented the wheel let alone metal tools and only because it was introduced to them. All the history books show black and white photos of black people with stone tools and spears.

That is not true at all

Africans practiced metallurgy for centuries if not millennia prior to colonial times

No. No. No.

All Blacks were savages until White men showed up. It's not like Arabs beat Europeans to Madagascar by 500 years or anything.

And let's not forget that White Christian Bible that talks about the Queen of Sheba, who is so often argued as being Yemeni, but Yemen had numerous outpost in East Africa.

RE: "Could change everything": coin found off Australia may be from pre-1400...

The Dutch were Western Australia

Probably brought the coin

The remote and windswept coastline of Kalbarri has been the tragic setting of many shipwrecks over time. One of the more famous shipwrecks was Batavia, a ship of the Dutch East India Company (VOC). It was built in Amsterdam in 1628, armed with 24 cast-iron cannons and a number of bronze gunshttps://www.kalbarri.org.au/plan/history

RE: "Could change everything": coin found off Australia may be from pre-1400...

LoP GuestWrote: (05-15-2019 11:17 AM)

LoP GuestWrote: (05-15-2019 05:11 AM)

More lies and pro-abo propaganda trying to make out the aboriginals have been here for thousands of years and are traditional owners when they have only been in Australia for around 600 years.

The aboriginal propaganda is in overdrive as they try to take over more and more of the country and get more and more free sh*t at the taxpayers expense.

ALL these sudden *NEW* discoveries which have popped up in the last few years have been 100% sponsored by pro-aboriginal groups to produce results (with no REAL evidence, just made up assumptions) to push an agenda.

bullshit you racist kcunt

Amazing how you people can stare facts right in the face and deny them, while vociferously defending your precious feelings. There are still uncivilized tribes in 2019. Nothing substantial of an advanced civilization remains in Australia or Africa because there WAS none. There was no Wakanda. They wasn't kangs an sheeit. Deal with it and move on.

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