Does any white person believe that black Americans should still have to sit in the back of the bus, attend only all black schools or eat in only certain resturants? If you do believe so, which I hope to god you don't, why do you feel this way?

A concerned black American

If the owner of the restaurant, or any other private establishment chooses not to serve negros, or chooses to segregate within his restaurant he has that right.

I do however think educational institutions should be forcibly segregated, segregation of schools serves a clear public interest. Educational standards are constantly lowered so negros can still pass, that hinders the our (whites) ability to obtain an education and lowers the standard of living. Negros lower the quality of education.

The ideal situation however would be to have complete segregation of our races on seperate continents.

Slavery was not only whites I know that, BUT Africans to the United States was ALL white people. Yes, other Africans might have sold off other Africans to the white people but the white people transported them to the States.

So, why aren't you cursing the Black race? Didn't they put you in the slavery predicament to begin with? As far as Whites shipping Blacks here, that's not the case. The Jews played a predominant role in transporting the slaves here; not that that fact mitigates or excuses slavery.

The thing is, Blacks often whine about slavery and demand reparations and so forth. Let's look at this from another angle. Blacks could very easily view slavery as their doorway to freedom. Had it not been for Blacks being brought here to ultimately be freed by the White man, then American Blacks would never have achieved the highest standard of living of all Blacks in the world. Incidentally, you may be interested to know that 2% of all freed Black slaves were Black slave owners themselves in the South. Click on the link below.

Freedom has never come easy for any race or ethnic group of people; including the White race. The White race has endured slavery, wars, genocide, famine and plagues, but none of the aforementioned were used as excuses. We moved on, continued to prosper and build advanced civilizations.

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Originally Posted by BrownMan

I'm sorry if I sound rude, but it is IMPOSSIBLE to kick all minorites out of America without using violence!

With all due respect, your race is violent and destructive on a whole. We've endured enough of Black on White violence. If it comes down to violence to remove you, then I'm all for such measures. The Black race brought this on itself. Violence can only be fought with violence.

Between 1964 and 1994 more than 45,000 people were killed in inter-racial murders. By comparison 58,000 Americans died in Vietnam, and 34,000 were killed in the Korean war.

Most victims of race crime – about 90 percent – are white, according to the survey "Highlights from 20 Years of Surveying Crime Victims," published in 1993.

I don't want to hear any whining about violence. Especially when we look at the big picture. Blacks have had absolutely no problem using violence to get their way, why should Whites?

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Originally Posted by BrownMan

I agree that blacks need to start taking responsibility 100%. But what you said about tried and failed is a LIE! THe government has put money in the ghetto but not in schooling and libraries. The just hire more cops which just begets more violence. Instead of trying to make alternate activities for gang bangers they just try and clean up a park that the gang is just going to mess up again. But dont get me wrong, I am not trying to just blame white people and say black people dont do ****. Black people also need to start taking advantage of what is given to them. I was just saying that the government is not puting all the money in the right places.

You're making excuses. American tax payers have spent over 2.5 trillion dollars trying to upgrade blacks since the sixties. You were given integration. You were given, not just equal rights, but preferencial treatment based soley on your race. I'm speaking specifically about Affirmative Action, mandatory racial quotas and racial set-asides. If anything, Blacks are afforded more opportunities than Whites. The fact that Blacks don't monopolize on the opportunities afforded to them is their fault. Nobody elses'. Perhaps Blacks should pay reparations to Whites?

It always comes down to poverty with Blacks and egalitarians, doesn't it? Well, let me tell you this, there are far more Whites living below the poverty level than Blacks, simply because there are more Whites. Why don't we see Whites forming gangs and killing each other? Why don't Whites of the same socio-economic backround have high illiteracy and dropout rates comparable to Blacks of the same socio-economic backround? If necessary, I can and will provide sources to substantiate my claims and debunk anything that you may claim to the contrary. What separates fact from theory? Proof.

Poverty, you say? Let's take a look at the state of West Virginia. The population of West Virginia is 1,815,354 people. Whites account for 95% of the population and Blacks account for 3.2% of the population. West Virginia, with a poverty rate of 17.2 percent in both 2001 and 2002, was fifth-highest in the poverty ranking. National Ranking: 45 out of 50 States. The incidence of violent crime in West Virginia is consistently among the lowest in the nation. Violent Crime Rate National Ranking: 44 out of 50 states.

The states with the lowest percentage of justice employees were West Virginia and North Dakota (less than 8% of all employees). These two States consistently have among the lowest crime rates in the country.

White areas simply translate to safer areas. That is an irrefutable fact. The poverty argument, or excuse more accurately, can be torn to shreds time-after-time.

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Originally Posted by BrownMan

I'll be honest it is hard as a black man to accept ressponsibility when we have been slaved, beaten and hurt for a hundered years. But ultimatily blacks do have some responsibility to the problem as well.

You're right, but you're also making excuses again. See everything that I posted above. How has a slavery had an impact on you personally? It hasn't. In fact, I'd be willing to surmise that you weren't even born during the civil rights era. Tell me, just how has slavery, beatings, lynchings and oppression affected your life, or are you speaking for those who came long before your time?

America is a huge multi-cultural mix. Blacks have an extremly different culture then whites.

And thus we want to be FREE of you – separate from you, not around you! You are not “of our people” – we don’t want to be paying for you, having to defend ourselves from your violent con-racials, having to get away from your loud obnoxious music and ways of interacting in public, having to keep trying to move further and further to get away from you!

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Hence the reason for BET etc. but as for no white stuff I guess that is one of those blacks think they deserve more then whites because of their anccestors pain.

What crap! How can you even write that down without blushing? NO ONE deserves anything because of someone else’s pain! Please, do yourself a favour and never ever say anything that stupid in public again!

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I personally wouldn't mind if there was WET (White Entertainment Television). I don't think there would be a need because there already is a ton of primarily white television shows but I wouldn't care.

We don’t want “primarily” white TV – we want TV FREE from of non-whites! Today, every single +)&@#^* channel is filled with miscegenated couples, with mixed-race people, with pushing pushing pushing race mixing and cross race relations. We cannot have a show or commercial, ever it seems, without some damned black face popping up. Granted, it’s the jews doing the pushing – but it’s all-ya’ll blacks agitating at their behest to get “fair representation” on TV shows.... In my eyes – “fair representation” is y’all go back to africa and make your own TV there for your own people!

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That's not what I meant. My grandfather was shackled and forced to work and I don't care what you say it hurts to picture my amazing kind and generous grandad like that. IT HURTS!

(Didn't slavery end in 1865 -- just how old IS your grandfather -- or do you mean he was on a chain gang at some point?)

You have benefitted beyond belief by your ancestor’s poor luck in being kidnaped or captured by *other blacks* and sold to *jews* for transport. If not – have you ever thought about who and where you might be now? Would you be Hutu or Tutsi – slicing off other people’s hands with machetes? Would you be a South African with AIDS raping an infant because “sex with a virgin cures AIDS”? Would you be a black slave belonging to the arabs in the north? Or one of those shamans who “marry” lots of 12-yr-old girls? (Got any sisters?) Oh, sure, it’s possible you could be a computer programmer working in some white-owned business in some so-far-still-standing white-built city. Or you could be one of Mugabe’s “displaced army” out raping, torturing, and murdering white farmers.

No, instead you’re safe, warm, living in a house with electricity and a computer, going to school and learning wonderful things -- and why? Because your ancestors suffered to come to the lands and civilization MY ancestors created! GET OVER IT!

We're sick and tired of carrying you and yours. We don't OWE you anything. (I'm willing to argue you owe us, though!) Whatever ills your people bring upon themselves is their problem. (Funny how the SAME problems, the same dysfunctional family patterns that y'all blame on slavery and "whitey" -- all exist natively in africa among africans... Dyah think THEY got it from us too?)

Does any white person believe that black Americans should still have to sit in the back of the bus, attend only all black schools or eat in only certain resturants? If you do believe so, which I hope to god you don't, why do you feel this way?

A concerned black American

If we had separatism,blacks wouldn't have to sit at the back of the bus - presuming you mean while whites are at the front - but would be able to sit where they wanted. They would have their own schools,etc. Why would that be so terrible? If you had good black schools,then why would it matter if there were no whites there?

I can understand how you feel and if I was white I might feel the same. But I have seen the other side, America is a huge multi-cultural mix. Blacks have an extremly different culture then whites. Hence the reason for BET etc. but as for no white stuff I guess that is one of those blacks think they deserve more then whites because of their anccestors pain. I personally wouldn't mind if there was WET (White Entertainment Television). I don't think there would be a need because there already is a ton of primarily white television shows but I wouldn't care.

Been traveling.. I'm not a fan of multiculturalism, primarily because it became a race issue and is now only limited to black, brown, white. Or, as I call it, multiracialism. The 'real' idea of multiculturalism was to provide exposure of cultures, to cultures, to expand the scope of peoples minds.

My guess is that if you ask people to define multiculturalism, you will most like get the typical explaination of how blacks, and whites and spanish (how most people will describe P.R.s and Mexican)...

Well, how would it sound if I said, bring me a white man/woman from Alabama, a white man/woman from Texas, a white man/woman from Kansas, a white man/woman from Wisconsin, a white man/woman from NJ, a white man/woman from London, a white man/woman from Sidney, a white man/woman from Naples, a white man/woman from Poland, etc..etc...

Well, that to me sounds like great 'multiculturalism'!!! Can you argue this?

The BET thing was just an example.. My point, is that should white people just want to hang out with only white people, then, that should be their choice. It doesn't say we don't associate with other races, if we do, it's by choice. I, for business, personally associate with just about every race that exists. On my personal time, I choose to hang with my white friends, in white areas.

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That statement is true, there are more white political leaders in some of the worse places in the United States, check that fact. And I know a ton of black leaders that DEDICATE themselves to making blacks smarter.

The question is, smarter how? Better educated? or, Better aware of how whitey is evil and how they can't trust them? And I'm sure we can come up with a TON of black leaders that fall under Option 2 unfortunately!

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I came closed-minded but my mind has opened and it has been very eye opening viewing others point of views! Although one thing I don't like about WN is that based of statistics a WN would be scared I might rob them. I know you have right to I guess it just HURTS!

What statistics? You mean statistically the majority of WN would expect you to rob them if they saw you walking down the street, or do you mean that WN's understand that Statistically the chances are high that you fit the profile of someone likely to rob them? Sorry, I didn't quite understand what you meant?

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I checked it out, interesting! What do you think of it?

Well, contrary to popular media belief, it shows that whites haven't really cornered the market in racism! You'll also find that a white person who disagrees with their views won't be allowed there long.. You and I would not be having this exchange!

The BET thing was just an example.. My point, is that should white people just want to hang out with only white people, then, that should be their choice. It doesn't say we don't associate with other races, if we do, it's by choice. I, for business, personally associate with just about every race that exists. On my personal time, I choose to hang with my white friends, in white areas.

Thats interesting! You belive in "free choice" but still think that "race mixing" should be outlawed. Funny people you WN:s

What is interesting is your twist on words... People are free to race-mixed.. It 'is' their choice to turn their backs on their families and families before them.. It is their choice to disrespect themselves and their families.. It is their choice to disrespect the children they bring into this world...

Everyone has this choice.. And, I don't have any problem with people having the ability of choice.. It's kind of a gauge on a persons character.. I consider a white women who disrespects her family enough to marry a non-white the lowest of character.

The character of this person is very clear to most of us. Bascially, it is a call for attention. Most of these women look in the mirror everyday and hate themselves..

So, before you 'assume' something from my post, just ask..

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Originally Posted by Black Bob

Thats interesting! You belive in "free choice" but still think that "race mixing" should be outlawed. Funny people you WN:s