Civic officials and county crime commissioner Martyn Underhill had argued that by having a designated temporary stopping site within the borough’s boundaries, it would have made it easier to move on any unauthorised traveller encampment from Poole’s public open spaces this summer.

However, following a wave of protest – predominantly from Creekmoor residents and ward councillors – proposals for this temporary stopping site, and for another smaller site at Oakdale, were thrown out by Poole’s planning committee.

Some Creekmoor residents now believe the council’s failure to start legal proceedings against this latest encampment is payback for them fighting against the temporary stopping place earlier this year.

Resident Terry Hughes said: “Needless to say the majority of Creekmoor residents are extremely angry about this and feel at a loss and despised by our own council.

“We feel that it is a way of punishing the residents for fighting so hard against the earlier planned traveller site in Creekmoor.”

Neighbour Ian Stockley agreed: “It does feel like we are being punished for fighting so hard against the site earlier this year. I live close to this latest camp and I can hear the generators going and dogs barking all through the night.

“During the evening all the cars going by sound their horns. We thought it was the travellers to start with, but now we think it is locals doing it in protest at the camp. The fear is someone will do something rash – and it will probably be a law-abiding Creekmoor resident that gets hurt.”

The council’s strategy, of holding back before immediately going to the courts, has been implemented already this summer – at the encampment adjacent to Staples car park, Fleetsbridge, and initially at the Baiter car park site, before the encampment moved onto the public open ground.

On the latest park and ride situation, council environmental and consumer protection head Shaun Robson said: “We will continue to monitor these encampments to ensure there remains no significant negative impact to the local community but at present there is no evidence to support an application to the courts for an eviction order.

“This is the first unauthorised encampment inside the park and ride site for a number of years.”

THERE were also five traveller caravans and a motor home at Poole’s Sterte Esplanade, as the Daily Echo went to press.
Borough of Poole has provided a skip and toilets at Sterte Esplanade, and will be providing the same facilities for the 19 caravans at the park and ride site.
Officials say this is to prevent environmental damage and reduce any subsequent clean-up costs.
Council environment head Shaun Robson explained: “As we do not have a transit site or a temporary stopping place in Poole, any encampment by travellers in the borough is viewed as unauthorised.
“Any decision to manage the encampment or to seek an eviction order is determined by the location of the encampment and its likely impact on the local community.
“We are currently managing both sites in Poole in line with our normal policies which have been in place for a number of years.”

The thing is with this site there is no security Poole council have opened the exit gates and the travellers can come and go as they please , if this site had been away from a residential area like most park and rides are this would have been the ideal solution , considering this site is only ever used the few weekends prior to Christmas

The thing is with this site there is no security Poole council have opened the exit gates and the travellers can come and go as they please , if this site had been away from a residential area like most park and rides are this would have been the ideal solution , considering this site is only ever used the few weekends prior to Christmasalasdair1967

So Mr Robson, how do you respond to rumours that in fact PBC asked and encouraged the travellers to go to Creekmoor rather than play cat and mouse? Isn't it strange that we don't see these travellers in the winter......is it because they are not travellers at all and they go back and stick the caravan on the drive in October until March! Maybe they tell the elderly and vulnerable around the country that they need a £5 roof tile replacing for £5,000

So Mr Robson, how do you respond to rumours that in fact PBC asked and encouraged the travellers to go to Creekmoor rather than play cat and mouse? Isn't it strange that we don't see these travellers in the winter......is it because they are not travellers at all and they go back and stick the caravan on the drive in October until March! Maybe they tell the elderly and vulnerable around the country that they need a £5 roof tile replacing for £5,000adspacebroker

Those William can sign the following petition withholding septembers council tax from Poole council over their illegal act.
https://www.ipetitio
ns.com/petition/cree
kmoor
Just copy and paste the above into your browser.
Here were the experts recommended sites in 2012. You can see all creekmoor sites were rules out. They had plenty of time to prepare the recommended sites but didn't, I wonder why?
1. Land at former community centre Turpin moor.
2. Lodge hill, canford heath road poole
3. Branksome triangle, Bourne valley road
See the consultation paper here: http://www.dorsetfor
you.com/media.jsp?me
diaid=167724DiggerRuss

l wrote:
Make sufe at the next council elections you all vote wisely. That is, UKIP.

Lol. That's all

here here, vote UKIP lets have this spineless council out the crime commissioner is also in their pockets no backbone

[quote][p][bold]MrDMan[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai
l[/bold] wrote:
Make sufe at the next council elections you all vote wisely. That is, UKIP.[/p][/quote]Lol. That's all[/p][/quote]here here, vote UKIP lets have this spineless council out the crime commissioner is also in their pockets no backbonesunny1966

Shaun Robson, this ethnic minority aren't playing cat and mouse - they are running rings around the council because they know you will do NOTHING. The behaviour of some of them is absolutely appalling, yet they get away with stuff that he rest of us don't. Currently you are discriminating against residents for illegal parking, littering, urinating in public, and a whole lot more. If residents did any of that, there would be action taken against them. That just isn't right - it's racial discrimination against us.

No-one in Creekmoor believes that they are not being punished. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck.

As I've said in a post on another thread, instead of looking for a non-existent place in the borough to build a new traveller site, why not find a ready-made holiday caravan site away from all residences. Presumably you've still got the money from the sale of Marshes End (or didn't that happen?) so use that.

Time to treat residents fairly.

Shaun Robson, this ethnic minority aren't playing cat and mouse - they are running rings around the council because they know you will do NOTHING. The behaviour of some of them is absolutely appalling, yet they get away with stuff that he rest of us don't. Currently you are discriminating against residents for illegal parking, littering, urinating in public, and a whole lot more. If residents did any of that, there would be action taken against them. That just isn't right - it's racial discrimination against us.
No-one in Creekmoor believes that they are not being punished. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck.
As I've said in a post on another thread, instead of looking for a non-existent place in the borough to build a new traveller site, why not find a ready-made holiday caravan site away from all residences. Presumably you've still got the money from the sale of Marshes End (or didn't that happen?) so use that.
Time to treat residents fairly.Carolyn43

We all know the travellors will be allowed to stay at the Creekmoor park a ride .We are aproaching the middle of August ,Not long now before the Great Dorset Steam fair ,After that is finished they will be gone .They would of made enough money here during the summer months to relax here in the Uk /Ireland in their Posh houses ,Having a good laugh at the thought of another succesful year on the South Coast,leaving us to pick up the experience otf there ILEGAL activitys .
You have a chance next may 2015 ,to start to make a differnce ,to the direction you want this country to go in the next 20 yrs .If you vote LIB /LAB/CON .You know exactly what you are going to get .THE SAME
So give UKIP a chance.and take your country back .We will leave the EU.and restore the values that we hold dear to our hearts,.The problems like the traverlers,at Creekmoor etc will be made a criminal offence,.More jobs /housing/education etc for our own people,who must come first,.Take back Control of our borders ,keeping out undersiables etc ,and only letting in people that we need for the best interests for our nation .In Australia they have a quota system that works well for them .It will work well for us also.
We will not lose 3million jobs by leaving the EU .In fact it has been proven 4 million will be created by having the freedom to trade with the rest of the world ,without being hog tied to this cosy old fashion monster the EU.
We would also be billions of pound better off.
You will still be able to buy your BMW/Bosh washing machines etc,
So Lets Step up and take our country back.
Cant wait for the anti BRITISH to mark me down ,bring it on .

We all know the travellors will be allowed to stay at the Creekmoor park a ride .We are aproaching the middle of August ,Not long now before the Great Dorset Steam fair ,After that is finished they will be gone .They would of made enough money here during the summer months to relax here in the Uk /Ireland in their Posh houses ,Having a good laugh at the thought of another succesful year on the South Coast,leaving us to pick up the experience otf there ILEGAL activitys .
You have a chance next may 2015 ,to start to make a differnce ,to the direction you want this country to go in the next 20 yrs .If you vote LIB /LAB/CON .You know exactly what you are going to get .THE SAME
So give UKIP a chance.and take your country back .We will leave the EU.and restore the values that we hold dear to our hearts,.The problems like the traverlers,at Creekmoor etc will be made a criminal offence,.More jobs /housing/education etc for our own people,who must come first,.Take back Control of our borders ,keeping out undersiables etc ,and only letting in people that we need for the best interests for our nation .In Australia they have a quota system that works well for them .It will work well for us also.
We will not lose 3million jobs by leaving the EU .In fact it has been proven 4 million will be created by having the freedom to trade with the rest of the world ,without being hog tied to this cosy old fashion monster the EU.
We would also be billions of pound better off.
You will still be able to buy your BMW/Bosh washing machines etc,
So Lets Step up and take our country back.
Cant wait for the anti BRITISH to mark me down ,bring it on .cromwell9

I doubt many residents would withhold council tax. Unlike the travellers, they are law abiding. Besides one illegal act doesn't put right another illegal act. The council would have anyone withholding council tax in court quicker than you can say council tax because they're not frightened of residents.

[quote][p][bold]DiggerRuss[/bold] wrote:
Those William can sign the following petition withholding septembers council tax from Poole council over their illegal act.
https://www.ipetitio
ns.com/petition/cree
kmoor
Just copy and paste the above into your browser.
Here were the experts recommended sites in 2012. You can see all creekmoor sites were rules out. They had plenty of time to prepare the recommended sites but didn't, I wonder why?
1. Land at former community centre Turpin moor.
2. Lodge hill, canford heath road poole
3. Branksome triangle, Bourne valley road
See the consultation paper here: http://www.dorsetfor
you.com/media.jsp?me
diaid=167724[/p][/quote]I doubt many residents would withhold council tax. Unlike the travellers, they are law abiding. Besides one illegal act doesn't put right another illegal act. The council would have anyone withholding council tax in court quicker than you can say council tax because they're not frightened of residents.Carolyn43

cromwell9 wrote:
We all know the travellors will be allowed to stay at the Creekmoor park a ride .We are aproaching the middle of August ,Not long now before the Great Dorset Steam fair ,After that is finished they will be gone .They would of made enough money here during the summer months to relax here in the Uk /Ireland in their Posh houses ,Having a good laugh at the thought of another succesful year on the South Coast,leaving us to pick up the experience otf there ILEGAL activitys .
You have a chance next may 2015 ,to start to make a differnce ,to the direction you want this country to go in the next 20 yrs .If you vote LIB /LAB/CON .You know exactly what you are going to get .THE SAME
So give UKIP a chance.and take your country back .We will leave the EU.and restore the values that we hold dear to our hearts,.The problems like the traverlers,at Creekmoor etc will be made a criminal offence,.More jobs /housing/education etc for our own people,who must come first,.Take back Control of our borders ,keeping out undersiables etc ,and only letting in people that we need for the best interests for our nation .In Australia they have a quota system that works well for them .It will work well for us also.
We will not lose 3million jobs by leaving the EU .In fact it has been proven 4 million will be created by having the freedom to trade with the rest of the world ,without being hog tied to this cosy old fashion monster the EU.
We would also be billions of pound better off.
You will still be able to buy your BMW/Bosh washing machines etc,
So Lets Step up and take our country back.
Cant wait for the anti BRITISH to mark me down ,bring it on .

I ment the Exspence of their ilegal activitys.

[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote:
We all know the travellors will be allowed to stay at the Creekmoor park a ride .We are aproaching the middle of August ,Not long now before the Great Dorset Steam fair ,After that is finished they will be gone .They would of made enough money here during the summer months to relax here in the Uk /Ireland in their Posh houses ,Having a good laugh at the thought of another succesful year on the South Coast,leaving us to pick up the experience otf there ILEGAL activitys .
You have a chance next may 2015 ,to start to make a differnce ,to the direction you want this country to go in the next 20 yrs .If you vote LIB /LAB/CON .You know exactly what you are going to get .THE SAME
So give UKIP a chance.and take your country back .We will leave the EU.and restore the values that we hold dear to our hearts,.The problems like the traverlers,at Creekmoor etc will be made a criminal offence,.More jobs /housing/education etc for our own people,who must come first,.Take back Control of our borders ,keeping out undersiables etc ,and only letting in people that we need for the best interests for our nation .In Australia they have a quota system that works well for them .It will work well for us also.
We will not lose 3million jobs by leaving the EU .In fact it has been proven 4 million will be created by having the freedom to trade with the rest of the world ,without being hog tied to this cosy old fashion monster the EU.
We would also be billions of pound better off.
You will still be able to buy your BMW/Bosh washing machines etc,
So Lets Step up and take our country back.
Cant wait for the anti BRITISH to mark me down ,bring it on .[/p][/quote]I ment the Exspence of their ilegal activitys.cromwell9

I doubt many residents would withhold council tax. Unlike the travellers, they are law abiding. Besides one illegal act doesn't put right another illegal act. The council would have anyone withholding council tax in court quicker than you can say council tax because they're not frightened of residents.

Unless some protest nothing gets changed. The more signatures the better. They will be mightily embarrassed taking hundreds of residents to court. It may even highlight to others the illegal acts this council takes. They pushed the creekmoor site despite it already being deemed inappropriate by their own independant consultants. They knew this would happen and it will now happen every year if we allow it.

[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]DiggerRuss[/bold] wrote:
Those William can sign the following petition withholding septembers council tax from Poole council over their illegal act.
https://www.ipetitio
ns.com/petition/cree
kmoor
Just copy and paste the above into your browser.
Here were the experts recommended sites in 2012. You can see all creekmoor sites were rules out. They had plenty of time to prepare the recommended sites but didn't, I wonder why?
1. Land at former community centre Turpin moor.
2. Lodge hill, canford heath road poole
3. Branksome triangle, Bourne valley road
See the consultation paper here: http://www.dorsetfor
you.com/media.jsp?me
diaid=167724[/p][/quote]I doubt many residents would withhold council tax. Unlike the travellers, they are law abiding. Besides one illegal act doesn't put right another illegal act. The council would have anyone withholding council tax in court quicker than you can say council tax because they're not frightened of residents.[/p][/quote]Unless some protest nothing gets changed. The more signatures the better. They will be mightily embarrassed taking hundreds of residents to court. It may even highlight to others the illegal acts this council takes. They pushed the creekmoor site despite it already being deemed inappropriate by their own independant consultants. They knew this would happen and it will now happen every year if we allow it.DiggerRuss

Letcommonsenseprevai
l wrote:
Make sufe at the next council elections you all vote wisely. That is, UKIP.

Having seen firsthand those who are now running the 'NEW' UKIP Poole branch, I wouldn't say that is the smartest suggestion of the day. If you really want more sense in council decision making then vote in independents who will represent you not any chosen party.

If Poole Council and Martyn Underhill truly believed that a TSP was the only answer, then why did it all stop when the Safety Drive site got turned down by planning?

Between the fire station and PC World there is a plot of land that would be ideal, if it had a slip road going in from Old Wareham road (A3049) and an exit onto the A350 towards Poole. This of course would be a little bit of hassle for those using the site because of the traffic flow, which to me, makes it even more ideal. Then at least the police would then have their powers for quick eviction from other illegal camps.

Any councillors want to say why that is not an option?

[quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai
l[/bold] wrote:
Make sufe at the next council elections you all vote wisely. That is, UKIP.[/p][/quote]Having seen firsthand those who are now running the 'NEW' UKIP Poole branch, I wouldn't say that is the smartest suggestion of the day. If you really want more sense in council decision making then vote in independents who will represent you not any chosen party.
If Poole Council and Martyn Underhill truly believed that a TSP was the only answer, then why did it all stop when the Safety Drive site got turned down by planning?
Between the fire station and PC World there is a plot of land that would be ideal, if it had a slip road going in from Old Wareham road (A3049) and an exit onto the A350 towards Poole. This of course would be a little bit of hassle for those using the site because of the traffic flow, which to me, makes it even more ideal. Then at least the police would then have their powers for quick eviction from other illegal camps.
Any councillors want to say why that is not an option?Marty Caine

We all know the travellers will be allowed to stay at the Creekmoor park a ride .We are aproaching the middle of August ,Not long now before the Great Dorset Steam fair ,After that is finished they will be gone .They would of made enough money here during the summer months to relax here in the Uk /Ireland in their Posh houses ,Having a good laugh at the thought of another succesful year on the South Coast,leaving us to pick up the experience otf there ILEGAL activitys .
You have a chance next may 2015 ,to start to make a differnce ,to the direction you want this country to go in the next 20 yrs .If you vote LIB /LAB/CON .You know exactly what you are going to get .THE SAME
So give UKIP a chance.and take your country back .We will leave the EU.and restore the values that we hold dear to our hearts,.The problems like the travellers,at Creekmoor etc will be made a criminal offence,.More jobs /housing/education etc for our own people,who must come first,.Take back Control of our borders ,keeping out undersiables etc ,and only letting in people that we need for the best interests for our nation .In Australia they have a quota system that works well for them .It will work well for us also.
We will not lose 3million jobs by leaving the EU .In fact it has been proven 4 million will be created by having the freedom to trade with the rest of the world ,without being hog tied to this cosy old fashion monster the EU.
We would also be billions of pound better off.
You will still be able to buy your BMW/Bosh washing machines etc,
So Lets Step up and take our country back.
Cant wait for the anti BRITISH to mark me down ,bring it on .

We all know the travellers will be allowed to stay at the Creekmoor park a ride .We are aproaching the middle of August ,Not long now before the Great Dorset Steam fair ,After that is finished they will be gone .They would of made enough money here during the summer months to relax here in the Uk /Ireland in their Posh houses ,Having a good laugh at the thought of another succesful year on the South Coast,leaving us to pick up the experience otf there ILEGAL activitys .
You have a chance next may 2015 ,to start to make a differnce ,to the direction you want this country to go in the next 20 yrs .If you vote LIB /LAB/CON .You know exactly what you are going to get .THE SAME
So give UKIP a chance.and take your country back .We will leave the EU.and restore the values that we hold dear to our hearts,.The problems like the travellers,at Creekmoor etc will be made a criminal offence,.More jobs /housing/education etc for our own people,who must come first,.Take back Control of our borders ,keeping out undersiables etc ,and only letting in people that we need for the best interests for our nation .In Australia they have a quota system that works well for them .It will work well for us also.
We will not lose 3million jobs by leaving the EU .In fact it has been proven 4 million will be created by having the freedom to trade with the rest of the world ,without being hog tied to this cosy old fashion monster the EU.
We would also be billions of pound better off.
You will still be able to buy your BMW/Bosh washing machines etc,
So Lets Step up and take our country back.
Cant wait for the anti BRITISH to mark me down ,bring it on .cromwell9

Unfortunately we don't know who is actually driving the bus at Poole Council. Is is the councillors (elected) or council officers such as Shaun Robson (unelected)? If it's council officers then the election will have no effect even though they're employed by us to do the best for US.

Unfortunately we don't know who is actually driving the bus at Poole Council. Is is the councillors (elected) or council officers such as Shaun Robson (unelected)? If it's council officers then the election will have no effect even though they're employed by us to do the best for US.Carolyn43

And yet oddly, when I suggested that this was the case in a post on another thread, some sensitive flower complained, and got my post removed...
Spite and incompetence are unattractive traits in normal people, in those with the power to make people's lives a misery, downright ugly and dangerous.

And yet oddly, when I suggested that this was the case in a post on another thread, some sensitive flower complained, and got my post removed...
Spite and incompetence are unattractive traits in normal people, in those with the power to make people's lives a misery, downright ugly and dangerous.Jo__Go

Baiter Park has been invaded 3 times this year and the Hamworthy area has suffered terribly so lets hear no more about the current P&R punishment scenario.
Lets instead hear about robust plans which will see all our residents relieved once and for all rather than the annual feline debacle of **** footing or should that be cat and mouse which typifies our current situation. Come on Poole Council, do something. Elections are round the corner!

Baiter Park has been invaded 3 times this year and the Hamworthy area has suffered terribly so lets hear no more about the current P&R punishment scenario.
Lets instead hear about robust plans which will see all our residents relieved once and for all rather than the annual feline debacle of **** footing or should that be cat and mouse which typifies our current situation. Come on Poole Council, do something. Elections are round the corner!Red Leader 1

Creekmoor should take its turn like everyone else. As the article says - court action will not happen straight away, ask the poor residents near Staples who had to endure these people for too long. Now, I am not saying that is right and would prefer the Council start eviction process on day 1 so as to cause everyone as much hassle as possible. However, stop bleating you are being treated any differently than Fleetsbridge, Hamworthy, Baiter or Sterte residents - you are not. Get over it. If, however, you were a Whitecliff resident then clearly a special law applies to encampments there. Enjoy the summer

Creekmoor should take its turn like everyone else. As the article says - court action will not happen straight away, ask the poor residents near Staples who had to endure these people for too long. Now, I am not saying that is right and would prefer the Council start eviction process on day 1 so as to cause everyone as much hassle as possible. However, stop bleating you are being treated any differently than Fleetsbridge, Hamworthy, Baiter or Sterte residents - you are not. Get over it. If, however, you were a Whitecliff resident then clearly a special law applies to encampments there. Enjoy the summerQuakers2

Well if Creekmoor is being punished then so are all the other areas that have had encampments over the past few weeks.
Currently I look out of my window and see the 'travellers' camped out on Sterte. They have been there since Sunday & use the pedestrian / cycle path as their road back to their caravans / motorhomes.
Other areas around Poole including Baiter, Hamworthy, Turlin Moor, Fleetsbridge, Branksome Park have also had an extended stay.
The law does need changing but that isn't going to happen any time soon.
We had an option to see if having a TSP would deter them from coming to Poole, but no one wants one near them so instead we have a status quo with the travellers turning up, making a mess then leaving .

Well if Creekmoor is being punished then so are all the other areas that have had encampments over the past few weeks.
Currently I look out of my window and see the 'travellers' camped out on Sterte. They have been there since Sunday & use the pedestrian / cycle path as their road back to their caravans / motorhomes.
Other areas around Poole including Baiter, Hamworthy, Turlin Moor, Fleetsbridge, Branksome Park have also had an extended stay.
The law does need changing but that isn't going to happen any time soon.
We had an option to see if having a TSP would deter them from coming to Poole, but no one wants one near them so instead we have a status quo with the travellers turning up, making a mess then leaving .GaryC67

If I remember right, the people at Creekmoor had no objections to travellers being there, they were solely concerned with the travellers welfare and the unsuitability of the site. That was the basis of most of the objections, so a suitable site in Creekmoor should be no problem. You can't have it both ways.

If I remember right, the people at Creekmoor had no objections to travellers being there, they were solely concerned with the travellers welfare and the unsuitability of the site. That was the basis of most of the objections, so a suitable site in Creekmoor should be no problem. You can't have it both ways.Wackerone

cromwell9 wrote:
We all know the travellers will be allowed to stay at the Creekmoor park a ride .We are aproaching the middle of August ,Not long now before the Great Dorset Steam fair ,After that is finished they will be gone .They would of made enough money here during the summer months to relax here in the Uk /Ireland in their Posh houses ,Having a good laugh at the thought of another succesful year on the South Coast,leaving us to pick up the experience otf there ILEGAL activitys .
You have a chance next may 2015 ,to start to make a differnce ,to the direction you want this country to go in the next 20 yrs .If you vote LIB /LAB/CON .You know exactly what you are going to get .THE SAME
So give UKIP a chance.and take your country back .We will leave the EU.and restore the values that we hold dear to our hearts,.The problems like the travellers,at Creekmoor etc will be made a criminal offence,.More jobs /housing/education etc for our own people,who must come first,.Take back Control of our borders ,keeping out undersiables etc ,and only letting in people that we need for the best interests for our nation .In Australia they have a quota system that works well for them .It will work well for us also.
We will not lose 3million jobs by leaving the EU .In fact it has been proven 4 million will be created by having the freedom to trade with the rest of the world ,without being hog tied to this cosy old fashion monster the EU.
We would also be billions of pound better off.
You will still be able to buy your BMW/Bosh washing machines etc,
So Lets Step up and take our country back.
Cant wait for the anti BRITISH to mark me down ,bring it on .

I totally agree with you that voting Lab/Con/Lib is simply voting for more of the same but stating what UKIP will do when in power is about as cast iron as Cameron's referendum promises, in fact even less because UKIP have zero chance of winning in 2015. They do however stand a great chance of smashing that Westminster bubble, which is the underlying problem in British politics today and that is definitely something worth voting for at a national level.

Locally though I would much rather see party politics removed from council and that ludicrous cabinet system that Blair brought in in 2000, there are 42 seats on Poole council and you need people on there that are going to represent your best interests, I think independent councillors will do a far better job than what we are currently having to endure and I sincerely hope enough good people can step up to the mark and make a real stand for the people in their community.

[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote:
We all know the travellers will be allowed to stay at the Creekmoor park a ride .We are aproaching the middle of August ,Not long now before the Great Dorset Steam fair ,After that is finished they will be gone .They would of made enough money here during the summer months to relax here in the Uk /Ireland in their Posh houses ,Having a good laugh at the thought of another succesful year on the South Coast,leaving us to pick up the experience otf there ILEGAL activitys .
You have a chance next may 2015 ,to start to make a differnce ,to the direction you want this country to go in the next 20 yrs .If you vote LIB /LAB/CON .You know exactly what you are going to get .THE SAME
So give UKIP a chance.and take your country back .We will leave the EU.and restore the values that we hold dear to our hearts,.The problems like the travellers,at Creekmoor etc will be made a criminal offence,.More jobs /housing/education etc for our own people,who must come first,.Take back Control of our borders ,keeping out undersiables etc ,and only letting in people that we need for the best interests for our nation .In Australia they have a quota system that works well for them .It will work well for us also.
We will not lose 3million jobs by leaving the EU .In fact it has been proven 4 million will be created by having the freedom to trade with the rest of the world ,without being hog tied to this cosy old fashion monster the EU.
We would also be billions of pound better off.
You will still be able to buy your BMW/Bosh washing machines etc,
So Lets Step up and take our country back.
Cant wait for the anti BRITISH to mark me down ,bring it on .[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you that voting Lab/Con/Lib is simply voting for more of the same but stating what UKIP will do when in power is about as cast iron as Cameron's referendum promises, in fact even less because UKIP have zero chance of winning in 2015. They do however stand a great chance of smashing that Westminster bubble, which is the underlying problem in British politics today and that is definitely something worth voting for at a national level.
Locally though I would much rather see party politics removed from council and that ludicrous cabinet system that Blair brought in in 2000, there are 42 seats on Poole council and you need people on there that are going to represent your best interests, I think independent councillors will do a far better job than what we are currently having to endure and I sincerely hope enough good people can step up to the mark and make a real stand for the people in their community.Marty Caine

Can some kind person explain to me when a Court eviction notice is granted and complied with, why they can come back ...later?

Why cannot conditions be placed on a Court eviction order eg caravan and motor vehilce registration xxx3333 etc cannot return to any unlicenced l site in the Borough of Poole for a period of ????

Can some kind person explain to me when a Court eviction notice is granted and complied with, why they can come back ...later?
Why cannot conditions be placed on a Court eviction order eg caravan and motor vehilce registration xxx3333 etc cannot return to any unlicenced l site in the Borough of Poole for a period of ????boyerboy

Quakers2 wrote:
Creekmoor should take its turn like everyone else. As the article says - court action will not happen straight away, ask the poor residents near Staples who had to endure these people for too long. Now, I am not saying that is right and would prefer the Council start eviction process on day 1 so as to cause everyone as much hassle as possible. However, stop bleating you are being treated any differently than Fleetsbridge, Hamworthy, Baiter or Sterte residents - you are not. Get over it. If, however, you were a Whitecliff resident then clearly a special law applies to encampments there. Enjoy the summer

Quaker2, please check facts.

Creekmoor has already had its fair share. There was a small group of travellers outside the park and ride for a while and no-one objected. They didn't break in, they weren't noisy, they weren't badly behaved, they didn't leave a mess, no-one objected, but they were in Creekmoor. So this is the second incursion.

But this lot have broken in and are disturbing the residents opposite with dogs barking and generators all night. So Creekmoor residents are being treated differently.

The worry is that, when the majority leave for the steam fair, they'll leave a couple behind to keep the site open and then return afterwards, effectively making it the default travellers' site.

As Marty Caine has said, there is a plot of land to the north of PC world which would be suitable with none of the problems of contamination and safety for which Marshes End was rejected BY THE PLANNING COMMITTEE. In fact when the planning application was first put on Poole Council web site the map showed that very area as the proposed site, but presumably it was a mistake and was quickly changed. Other mistakes on the original application were corrected later.

If the TSP had gone ahead, it wouldn't have solved the problem - it was too small to cater for all of those who are currently in Poole, so it would have cost the council tax payers more than now because there would have been the cost of that £230,000 in addition to the cost of evicting the rest from illegal encampments - they wouldn't have been able to be re-directed there if it was full would they?.

[quote][p][bold]Quakers2[/bold] wrote:
Creekmoor should take its turn like everyone else. As the article says - court action will not happen straight away, ask the poor residents near Staples who had to endure these people for too long. Now, I am not saying that is right and would prefer the Council start eviction process on day 1 so as to cause everyone as much hassle as possible. However, stop bleating you are being treated any differently than Fleetsbridge, Hamworthy, Baiter or Sterte residents - you are not. Get over it. If, however, you were a Whitecliff resident then clearly a special law applies to encampments there. Enjoy the summer[/p][/quote]Quaker2, please check facts.
Creekmoor has already had its fair share. There was a small group of travellers outside the park and ride for a while and no-one objected. They didn't break in, they weren't noisy, they weren't badly behaved, they didn't leave a mess, no-one objected, but they were in Creekmoor. So this is the second incursion.
But this lot have broken in and are disturbing the residents opposite with dogs barking and generators all night. So Creekmoor residents are being treated differently.
The worry is that, when the majority leave for the steam fair, they'll leave a couple behind to keep the site open and then return afterwards, effectively making it the default travellers' site.
As Marty Caine has said, there is a plot of land to the north of PC world which would be suitable with none of the problems of contamination and safety for which Marshes End was rejected BY THE PLANNING COMMITTEE. In fact when the planning application was first put on Poole Council web site the map showed that very area as the proposed site, but presumably it was a mistake and was quickly changed. Other mistakes on the original application were corrected later.
If the TSP had gone ahead, it wouldn't have solved the problem - it was too small to cater for all of those who are currently in Poole, so it would have cost the council tax payers more than now because there would have been the cost of that £230,000 in addition to the cost of evicting the rest from illegal encampments - they wouldn't have been able to be re-directed there if it was full would they?.Carolyn43

Why cannot conditions be placed on a Court eviction order eg caravan and motor vehilce registration GYP1AM etc cannot return to any unlicenced l site in the Borough of Poole for a period of 25 years
you know it is

Why cannot conditions be placed on a Court eviction order eg caravan and motor vehilce registration GYP1AM etc cannot return to any unlicenced l site in the Borough of Poole for a period of 25 years
you know it isNickydoonah

Carolyn43 wrote:
Unfortunately we don't know who is actually driving the bus at Poole Council. Is is the councillors (elected) or council officers such as Shaun Robson (unelected)? If it's council officers then the election will have no effect even though they're employed by us to do the best for US.

Quite.
This decision was not that of the officer Shaun Robson. but the portfolio holder, coumcilor Xena Dion.The officer is protecting her.
The Echo are only publishing one side of the story because the conservative ms Dion is doing lib dem Eades' bidding, and we all know who controls the Echo. I suspect we have had a lib dem administration in poole in all but name.

[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote:
Unfortunately we don't know who is actually driving the bus at Poole Council. Is is the councillors (elected) or council officers such as Shaun Robson (unelected)? If it's council officers then the election will have no effect even though they're employed by us to do the best for US.[/p][/quote]Quite.
This decision was not that of the officer Shaun Robson. but the portfolio holder, coumcilor Xena Dion.The officer is protecting her.
The Echo are only publishing one side of the story because the conservative ms Dion is doing lib dem Eades' bidding, and we all know who controls the Echo. I suspect we have had a lib dem administration in poole in all but name.dogsoftheworld

The Council wanted a temporary stopping site which was going to cost all the rate payers circa £250,000. That means if you live in Creekmoor or Canford Cliffs your money would have been wasted as clearly the proposed sites were not only inadequate in planning terms but also not large enough.
The Park and Ride site was funded by central government but can only be used for the intended purpose. The site falls within the green belt and is within close proximity of Dorset Heathland which is also there to protect against development. Using the park and ride for travellers is a form of residential development and against the zoned use of the land. As a consequence the planning enforcement team need to serve notice on the Council to stop the current use as they would to any private individual.
The current situation for the entire town is we have a police force content turn a blind eye to criminal activity and choose not enforce the law
The Council complain they must have a temporary stopping site and it is a legal requirement to enable travellers to be moved on. Not so there are legal remedies but the Council have failed to act.
Creekmoor has one of the lowest crime rates in the county and we want to keep it that way. Perhaps as the authorities will not act for the law abiding tax payer and therefore by implication must support crime we the residents should form our own security patrols to keep our area safe for our families.

The Council wanted a temporary stopping site which was going to cost all the rate payers circa £250,000. That means if you live in Creekmoor or Canford Cliffs your money would have been wasted as clearly the proposed sites were not only inadequate in planning terms but also not large enough.
The Park and Ride site was funded by central government but can only be used for the intended purpose. The site falls within the green belt and is within close proximity of Dorset Heathland which is also there to protect against development. Using the park and ride for travellers is a form of residential development and against the zoned use of the land. As a consequence the planning enforcement team need to serve notice on the Council to stop the current use as they would to any private individual.
The current situation for the entire town is we have a police force content turn a blind eye to criminal activity and choose not enforce the law
The Council complain they must have a temporary stopping site and it is a legal requirement to enable travellers to be moved on. Not so there are legal remedies but the Council have failed to act.
Creekmoor has one of the lowest crime rates in the county and we want to keep it that way. Perhaps as the authorities will not act for the law abiding tax payer and therefore by implication must support crime we the residents should form our own security patrols to keep our area safe for our families.cunone

boyerboy wrote:
Can some kind person explain to me when a Court eviction notice is granted and complied with, why they can come back ...later?

Why cannot conditions be placed on a Court eviction order eg caravan and motor vehilce registration xxx3333 etc cannot return to any unlicenced l site in the Borough of Poole for a period of ????

1/ very easy to sell or change car. 2/ very easy to change registration and number plate. Not rocket science.

[quote][p][bold]boyerboy[/bold] wrote:
Can some kind person explain to me when a Court eviction notice is granted and complied with, why they can come back ...later?
Why cannot conditions be placed on a Court eviction order eg caravan and motor vehilce registration xxx3333 etc cannot return to any unlicenced l site in the Borough of Poole for a period of ????[/p][/quote]1/ very easy to sell or change car. 2/ very easy to change registration and number plate. Not rocket science.Wackerone

It runs contrary to all notions of fairness that council taxpayers should fund any itinerants who contribute nothing to the borough and, in fact, are parasitical upon it. The provision and running costs of a 'temporary site' should be entirely paid for by the travellers, not by taxpayers.
They can afford luxury motor-homes and (probably) luxury houses elsewhere (for the winter), so why can't they pay their way when on the move?

It runs contrary to all notions of fairness that council taxpayers should fund any itinerants who contribute nothing to the borough and, in fact, are parasitical upon it. The provision and running costs of a 'temporary site' should be entirely paid for by the travellers, not by taxpayers.
They can afford luxury motor-homes and (probably) luxury houses elsewhere (for the winter), so why can't they pay their way when on the move?Dave2207

Why arethe council not acting if there is a 'negative impact' on lives locally. Go back to the council and quote to them their own quote in yesterdays echo and supply evidence and they will have to act.

Get the national papers interested too..this sort of publicity the council will hate but national press love. See how fast the situation is resolved then!!

Good luck but as I said before, theres loads of room and empty car parks for a transit site over here in branksome/Canford cliffs.

Why arethe council not acting if there is a 'negative impact' on lives locally. Go back to the council and quote to them their own quote in yesterdays echo and supply evidence and they will have to act.
Get the national papers interested too..this sort of publicity the council will hate but national press love. See how fast the situation is resolved then!!
Good luck but as I said before, theres loads of room and empty car parks for a transit site over here in branksome/Canford cliffs.Teddy 1

cromwell9 wrote:
We all know the travellers will be allowed to stay at the Creekmoor park a ride .We are aproaching the middle of August ,Not long now before the Great Dorset Steam fair ,After that is finished they will be gone .They would of made enough money here during the summer months to relax here in the Uk /Ireland in their Posh houses ,Having a good laugh at the thought of another succesful year on the South Coast,leaving us to pick up the experience otf there ILEGAL activitys .
You have a chance next may 2015 ,to start to make a differnce ,to the direction you want this country to go in the next 20 yrs .If you vote LIB /LAB/CON .You know exactly what you are going to get .THE SAME
So give UKIP a chance.and take your country back .We will leave the EU.and restore the values that we hold dear to our hearts,.The problems like the travellers,at Creekmoor etc will be made a criminal offence,.More jobs /housing/education etc for our own people,who must come first,.Take back Control of our borders ,keeping out undersiables etc ,and only letting in people that we need for the best interests for our nation .In Australia they have a quota system that works well for them .It will work well for us also.
We will not lose 3million jobs by leaving the EU .In fact it has been proven 4 million will be created by having the freedom to trade with the rest of the world ,without being hog tied to this cosy old fashion monster the EU.
We would also be billions of pound better off.
You will still be able to buy your BMW/Bosh washing machines etc,
So Lets Step up and take our country back.
Cant wait for the anti BRITISH to mark me down ,bring it on .

I totally agree with you that voting Lab/Con/Lib is simply voting for more of the same but stating what UKIP will do when in power is about as cast iron as Cameron's referendum promises, in fact even less because UKIP have zero chance of winning in 2015. They do however stand a great chance of smashing that Westminster bubble, which is the underlying problem in British politics today and that is definitely something worth voting for at a national level.

Locally though I would much rather see party politics removed from council and that ludicrous cabinet system that Blair brought in in 2000, there are 42 seats on Poole council and you need people on there that are going to represent your best interests, I think independent councillors will do a far better job than what we are currently having to endure and I sincerely hope enough good people can step up to the mark and make a real stand for the people in their community.

Nobody knows what is likely to be the out come at the 2015 general Election.
There is one thing for sure ,.The British people have had enough of career MP s.
UkIP will make a difference,As Nigel Farage has stated ,The Fox Is in the Westminster Hen house. How many MPs we dont know.Lets start with 6 and build on that.
We are going to get our country back,before its to late.I think the British people have woken up to the fact ,The enemy is at the gates.
I was in Yorkshire recently,and spoke to 4 people that had voted Labour all their Lives .They told me they are going to vote UKIP next may ,because Labour does not stand up for the working class anymore,Labour are only interested in Imigrants/public secter workers,and the EU,.They live in Rotherham.

[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]cromwell9[/bold] wrote:
We all know the travellers will be allowed to stay at the Creekmoor park a ride .We are aproaching the middle of August ,Not long now before the Great Dorset Steam fair ,After that is finished they will be gone .They would of made enough money here during the summer months to relax here in the Uk /Ireland in their Posh houses ,Having a good laugh at the thought of another succesful year on the South Coast,leaving us to pick up the experience otf there ILEGAL activitys .
You have a chance next may 2015 ,to start to make a differnce ,to the direction you want this country to go in the next 20 yrs .If you vote LIB /LAB/CON .You know exactly what you are going to get .THE SAME
So give UKIP a chance.and take your country back .We will leave the EU.and restore the values that we hold dear to our hearts,.The problems like the travellers,at Creekmoor etc will be made a criminal offence,.More jobs /housing/education etc for our own people,who must come first,.Take back Control of our borders ,keeping out undersiables etc ,and only letting in people that we need for the best interests for our nation .In Australia they have a quota system that works well for them .It will work well for us also.
We will not lose 3million jobs by leaving the EU .In fact it has been proven 4 million will be created by having the freedom to trade with the rest of the world ,without being hog tied to this cosy old fashion monster the EU.
We would also be billions of pound better off.
You will still be able to buy your BMW/Bosh washing machines etc,
So Lets Step up and take our country back.
Cant wait for the anti BRITISH to mark me down ,bring it on .[/p][/quote]I totally agree with you that voting Lab/Con/Lib is simply voting for more of the same but stating what UKIP will do when in power is about as cast iron as Cameron's referendum promises, in fact even less because UKIP have zero chance of winning in 2015. They do however stand a great chance of smashing that Westminster bubble, which is the underlying problem in British politics today and that is definitely something worth voting for at a national level.
Locally though I would much rather see party politics removed from council and that ludicrous cabinet system that Blair brought in in 2000, there are 42 seats on Poole council and you need people on there that are going to represent your best interests, I think independent councillors will do a far better job than what we are currently having to endure and I sincerely hope enough good people can step up to the mark and make a real stand for the people in their community.[/p][/quote]Nobody knows what is likely to be the out come at the 2015 general Election.
There is one thing for sure ,.The British people have had enough of career MP s.
UkIP will make a difference,As Nigel Farage has stated ,The Fox Is in the Westminster Hen house. How many MPs we dont know.Lets start with 6 and build on that.
We are going to get our country back,before its to late.I think the British people have woken up to the fact ,The enemy is at the gates.
I was in Yorkshire recently,and spoke to 4 people that had voted Labour all their Lives .They told me they are going to vote UKIP next may ,because Labour does not stand up for the working class anymore,Labour are only interested in Imigrants/public secter workers,and the EU,.They live in Rotherham.cromwell9

l wrote:
Make sufe at the next council elections you all vote wisely. That is, UKIP.

Having seen firsthand those who are now running the 'NEW' UKIP Poole branch, I wouldn't say that is the smartest suggestion of the day. If you really want more sense in council decision making then vote in independents who will represent you not any chosen party.

If Poole Council and Martyn Underhill truly believed that a TSP was the only answer, then why did it all stop when the Safety Drive site got turned down by planning?

Between the fire station and PC World there is a plot of land that would be ideal, if it had a slip road going in from Old Wareham road (A3049) and an exit onto the A350 towards Poole. This of course would be a little bit of hassle for those using the site because of the traffic flow, which to me, makes it even more ideal. Then at least the police would then have their powers for quick eviction from other illegal camps.

Any councillors want to say why that is not an option?

What a shame, this tone regrettably suggests there may well have been personal as well as political reasons behind leaving UKIP - after telling the world and his dog on here for months that they were the best ever thing since sliced bread to vote for.

The snag is now credibility, because who is going to vote for any political candidate who changes their mind like this, yesterday UKIP, today an Independent, tomorrow who knows what to expect - as happened in my own experience with one of our Muscliff 'Independents' - now a pure Tory!

I sincerely wish you well, but how disappointing.

[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai
l[/bold] wrote:
Make sufe at the next council elections you all vote wisely. That is, UKIP.[/p][/quote]Having seen firsthand those who are now running the 'NEW' UKIP Poole branch, I wouldn't say that is the smartest suggestion of the day. If you really want more sense in council decision making then vote in independents who will represent you not any chosen party.
If Poole Council and Martyn Underhill truly believed that a TSP was the only answer, then why did it all stop when the Safety Drive site got turned down by planning?
Between the fire station and PC World there is a plot of land that would be ideal, if it had a slip road going in from Old Wareham road (A3049) and an exit onto the A350 towards Poole. This of course would be a little bit of hassle for those using the site because of the traffic flow, which to me, makes it even more ideal. Then at least the police would then have their powers for quick eviction from other illegal camps.
Any councillors want to say why that is not an option?[/p][/quote]What a shame, this tone regrettably suggests there may well have been personal as well as political reasons behind leaving UKIP - after telling the world and his dog on here for months that they were the best ever thing since sliced bread to vote for.
The snag is now credibility, because who is going to vote for any political candidate who changes their mind like this, yesterday UKIP, today an Independent, tomorrow who knows what to expect - as happened in my own experience with one of our Muscliff 'Independents' - now a pure Tory!
I sincerely wish you well, but how disappointing.muscliffman

l wrote:
Make sufe at the next council elections you all vote wisely. That is, UKIP.

Having seen firsthand those who are now running the 'NEW' UKIP Poole branch, I wouldn't say that is the smartest suggestion of the day. If you really want more sense in council decision making then vote in independents who will represent you not any chosen party.

If Poole Council and Martyn Underhill truly believed that a TSP was the only answer, then why did it all stop when the Safety Drive site got turned down by planning?

Between the fire station and PC World there is a plot of land that would be ideal, if it had a slip road going in from Old Wareham road (A3049) and an exit onto the A350 towards Poole. This of course would be a little bit of hassle for those using the site because of the traffic flow, which to me, makes it even more ideal. Then at least the police would then have their powers for quick eviction from other illegal camps.

Any councillors want to say why that is not an option?

What a shame, this tone regrettably suggests there may well have been personal as well as political reasons behind leaving UKIP - after telling the world and his dog on here for months that they were the best ever thing since sliced bread to vote for.

The snag is now credibility, because who is going to vote for any political candidate who changes their mind like this, yesterday UKIP, today an Independent, tomorrow who knows what to expect - as happened in my own experience with one of our Muscliff 'Independents' - now a pure Tory!

I sincerely wish you well, but how disappointing.

Don't be too disappointed, I will still be voting UKIP nationally because I do believe they can achieve the only thing that they were ever capable of doing and that is smashing that Westminster bubble, that to me is still something well worth voting for. But lets be totally honest here, there was never any chance of UKIP winning in 2015, not with the First Past The Post system we have to endure, which was originally designed to ensure a two party system of politics.

UKIP as a party has changed over the past 12-18 months and is now going in a direction I never wanted to travel so really my only option was to step off, because not doing so would entail me lying to myself and to others. I do think I am right in that decision and I assure you it wasn't a quick decision but an accumulation of different things that have been happening both locally and nationally over a long period. I do believe you simply have to follow your gut feeling sometimes and do what you believe is right, regardless of consequence. If I lose support because of that then so be it but I will not regret doing something that I deemed as the right thing to do. Maybe you should also consider standing as an independent.

[quote][p][bold]muscliffman[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai
l[/bold] wrote:
Make sufe at the next council elections you all vote wisely. That is, UKIP.[/p][/quote]Having seen firsthand those who are now running the 'NEW' UKIP Poole branch, I wouldn't say that is the smartest suggestion of the day. If you really want more sense in council decision making then vote in independents who will represent you not any chosen party.
If Poole Council and Martyn Underhill truly believed that a TSP was the only answer, then why did it all stop when the Safety Drive site got turned down by planning?
Between the fire station and PC World there is a plot of land that would be ideal, if it had a slip road going in from Old Wareham road (A3049) and an exit onto the A350 towards Poole. This of course would be a little bit of hassle for those using the site because of the traffic flow, which to me, makes it even more ideal. Then at least the police would then have their powers for quick eviction from other illegal camps.
Any councillors want to say why that is not an option?[/p][/quote]What a shame, this tone regrettably suggests there may well have been personal as well as political reasons behind leaving UKIP - after telling the world and his dog on here for months that they were the best ever thing since sliced bread to vote for.
The snag is now credibility, because who is going to vote for any political candidate who changes their mind like this, yesterday UKIP, today an Independent, tomorrow who knows what to expect - as happened in my own experience with one of our Muscliff 'Independents' - now a pure Tory!
I sincerely wish you well, but how disappointing.[/p][/quote]Don't be too disappointed, I will still be voting UKIP nationally because I do believe they can achieve the only thing that they were ever capable of doing and that is smashing that Westminster bubble, that to me is still something well worth voting for. But lets be totally honest here, there was never any chance of UKIP winning in 2015, not with the First Past The Post system we have to endure, which was originally designed to ensure a two party system of politics.
UKIP as a party has changed over the past 12-18 months and is now going in a direction I never wanted to travel so really my only option was to step off, because not doing so would entail me lying to myself and to others. I do think I am right in that decision and I assure you it wasn't a quick decision but an accumulation of different things that have been happening both locally and nationally over a long period. I do believe you simply have to follow your gut feeling sometimes and do what you believe is right, regardless of consequence. If I lose support because of that then so be it but I will not regret doing something that I deemed as the right thing to do. Maybe you should also consider standing as an independent.Marty Caine

I have to say even as a Creekmoor resident that in my opinion the Creekmoor park and ride is currently the most suitable site in Poole for them. I didn't agree with the location of the proposed transit site because it wasn't a site that was girly for purpose. The travellers being on the Park and ride site provides no loss of play areas, or revenue from car parks, no real impact on tourism which does contribute to the local area. The travellers are pests that we currently have to deal with, if it's a no for the park and ride site where does any one propose that they go in the area

I have to say even as a Creekmoor resident that in my opinion the Creekmoor park and ride is currently the most suitable site in Poole for them. I didn't agree with the location of the proposed transit site because it wasn't a site that was girly for purpose. The travellers being on the Park and ride site provides no loss of play areas, or revenue from car parks, no real impact on tourism which does contribute to the local area. The travellers are pests that we currently have to deal with, if it's a no for the park and ride site where does any one propose that they go in the areaLucy28

TheDistrict wrote:
As the Daily Echo realised that these so called travellers do not come under the Race Relations and Ethnic Equality groups. I noticed they have left the advisory comment off this story.

Does that mean that we can call them cackers then?

[quote][p][bold]TheDistrict[/bold] wrote:
As the Daily Echo realised that these so called travellers do not come under the Race Relations and Ethnic Equality groups. I noticed they have left the advisory comment off this story.[/p][/quote]Does that mean that we can call them cackers then?nothingtofear

l wrote:
Make sufe at the next council elections you all vote wisely. That is, UKIP.

Having seen firsthand those who are now running the 'NEW' UKIP Poole branch, I wouldn't say that is the smartest suggestion of the day. If you really want more sense in council decision making then vote in independents who will represent you not any chosen party.

If Poole Council and Martyn Underhill truly believed that a TSP was the only answer, then why did it all stop when the Safety Drive site got turned down by planning?

Between the fire station and PC World there is a plot of land that would be ideal, if it had a slip road going in from Old Wareham road (A3049) and an exit onto the A350 towards Poole. This of course would be a little bit of hassle for those using the site because of the traffic flow, which to me, makes it even more ideal. Then at least the police would then have their powers for quick eviction from other illegal camps.

Any councillors want to say why that is not an option?

Marty please let the public know what is going on with the NEW Poole UKIP.

[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai
l[/bold] wrote:
Make sufe at the next council elections you all vote wisely. That is, UKIP.[/p][/quote]Having seen firsthand those who are now running the 'NEW' UKIP Poole branch, I wouldn't say that is the smartest suggestion of the day. If you really want more sense in council decision making then vote in independents who will represent you not any chosen party.
If Poole Council and Martyn Underhill truly believed that a TSP was the only answer, then why did it all stop when the Safety Drive site got turned down by planning?
Between the fire station and PC World there is a plot of land that would be ideal, if it had a slip road going in from Old Wareham road (A3049) and an exit onto the A350 towards Poole. This of course would be a little bit of hassle for those using the site because of the traffic flow, which to me, makes it even more ideal. Then at least the police would then have their powers for quick eviction from other illegal camps.
Any councillors want to say why that is not an option?[/p][/quote]Marty please let the public know what is going on with the NEW Poole UKIP.pete woodley

Lucy28 wrote:
I have to say even as a Creekmoor resident that in my opinion the Creekmoor park and ride is currently the most suitable site in Poole for them. I didn't agree with the location of the proposed transit site because it wasn't a site that was girly for purpose. The travellers being on the Park and ride site provides no loss of play areas, or revenue from car parks, no real impact on tourism which does contribute to the local area. The travellers are pests that we currently have to deal with, if it's a no for the park and ride site where does any one propose that they go in the area

And what about the sites identified in 2012 after the sites at creekmoor were ruled out

These seem to have been forgotten by the council but are still available.

[quote][p][bold]Lucy28[/bold] wrote:
I have to say even as a Creekmoor resident that in my opinion the Creekmoor park and ride is currently the most suitable site in Poole for them. I didn't agree with the location of the proposed transit site because it wasn't a site that was girly for purpose. The travellers being on the Park and ride site provides no loss of play areas, or revenue from car parks, no real impact on tourism which does contribute to the local area. The travellers are pests that we currently have to deal with, if it's a no for the park and ride site where does any one propose that they go in the area[/p][/quote]And what about the sites identified in 2012 after the sites at creekmoor were ruled out
1. Land at former community centre Turpin moor.
2. Branksome triangle, Bourne valley road
These seem to have been forgotten by the council but are still available.DiggerRuss

Surely "the" rather than "a" law abiding creekmoor resident. And no, I'm not a policeman or even a PCSO, just someone who knows how much time and money is spent by the borough on trying to keep order in this part of poole.

Surely "the" rather than "a" law abiding creekmoor resident. And no, I'm not a policeman or even a PCSO, just someone who knows how much time and money is spent by the borough on trying to keep order in this part of poole.ashleycross

l wrote:
Make sufe at the next council elections you all vote wisely. That is, UKIP.

Having seen firsthand those who are now running the 'NEW' UKIP Poole branch, I wouldn't say that is the smartest suggestion of the day. If you really want more sense in council decision making then vote in independents who will represent you not any chosen party.

If Poole Council and Martyn Underhill truly believed that a TSP was the only answer, then why did it all stop when the Safety Drive site got turned down by planning?

Between the fire station and PC World there is a plot of land that would be ideal, if it had a slip road going in from Old Wareham road (A3049) and an exit onto the A350 towards Poole. This of course would be a little bit of hassle for those using the site because of the traffic flow, which to me, makes it even more ideal. Then at least the police would then have their powers for quick eviction from other illegal camps.

Any councillors want to say why that is not an option?

Marty please let the public know what is going on with the NEW Poole UKIP.

As my mother used to say, if you can't say anything nice then say nothing at all. I have no doubts that things will become clearly apparent to others soon enough without me dirtying my hands with it.

[quote][p][bold]pete woodley[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Marty Caine[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Letcommonsenseprevai
l[/bold] wrote:
Make sufe at the next council elections you all vote wisely. That is, UKIP.[/p][/quote]Having seen firsthand those who are now running the 'NEW' UKIP Poole branch, I wouldn't say that is the smartest suggestion of the day. If you really want more sense in council decision making then vote in independents who will represent you not any chosen party.
If Poole Council and Martyn Underhill truly believed that a TSP was the only answer, then why did it all stop when the Safety Drive site got turned down by planning?
Between the fire station and PC World there is a plot of land that would be ideal, if it had a slip road going in from Old Wareham road (A3049) and an exit onto the A350 towards Poole. This of course would be a little bit of hassle for those using the site because of the traffic flow, which to me, makes it even more ideal. Then at least the police would then have their powers for quick eviction from other illegal camps.
Any councillors want to say why that is not an option?[/p][/quote]Marty please let the public know what is going on with the NEW Poole UKIP.[/p][/quote]As my mother used to say, if you can't say anything nice then say nothing at all. I have no doubts that things will become clearly apparent to others soon enough without me dirtying my hands with it.Marty Caine

This is nonsense my husband and I both go to work and pay our taxes yet last week was left a tag on our blue bin saying we had overfilled it ( we left one box out as no room) they forgot that we had that strike and didn't take any recycling for a month!!!! Yet we still got moaned at when we phoned up to complain, maybe we should go and get a caravan and park that where ever we like then maybe we're get a skip free of charge!!!! It makes nonsense to follow the rules.

This is nonsense my husband and I both go to work and pay our taxes yet last week was left a tag on our blue bin saying we had overfilled it ( we left one box out as no room) they forgot that we had that strike and didn't take any recycling for a month!!!! Yet we still got moaned at when we phoned up to complain, maybe we should go and get a caravan and park that where ever we like then maybe we're get a skip free of charge!!!! It makes nonsense to follow the rules.jenny lowe

Why not persuade that travelers to move onto the Council Car Park at the Civis Centre? It is a nice site for camping. I few bevvys should do it..........I bet the travelers would find it an amusing diversion, before they move on to the Dorset Steam Fair.

Why not persuade that travelers to move onto the Council Car Park at the Civis Centre? It is a nice site for camping. I few bevvys should do it..........I bet the travelers would find it an amusing diversion, before they move on to the Dorset Steam Fair.Yankee1

justme20092009 wrote:
ha ha ha ha to all who live in creekmoor,,you got what you deserve

from part of 3000 travellers who are heading to creekmoor

Pathetic.

Justme20092009. This post of yours sounds like a threat, where do YOU live when you are brave enough to post this comment.? are you a traveller ?.

[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]justme20092009[/bold] wrote:
ha ha ha ha to all who live in creekmoor,,you got what you deserve
from part of 3000 travellers who are heading to creekmoor[/p][/quote]Pathetic.[/p][/quote]Justme20092009. This post of yours sounds like a threat, where do YOU live when you are brave enough to post this comment.? are you a traveller ?.snowflakes

Carolyn43 wrote:
Shaun Robson, this ethnic minority aren't playing cat and mouse - they are running rings around the council because they know you will do NOTHING. The behaviour of some of them is absolutely appalling, yet they get away with stuff that he rest of us don't. Currently you are discriminating against residents for illegal parking, littering, urinating in public, and a whole lot more. If residents did any of that, there would be action taken against them. That just isn't right - it's racial discrimination against us.

No-one in Creekmoor believes that they are not being punished. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck.

As I've said in a post on another thread, instead of looking for a non-existent place in the borough to build a new traveller site, why not find a ready-made holiday caravan site away from all residences. Presumably you've still got the money from the sale of Marshes End (or didn't that happen?) so use that.

Time to treat residents fairly.

Exactly Carolyn..the money for the sale of a Marshes end.?

[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote:
Shaun Robson, this ethnic minority aren't playing cat and mouse - they are running rings around the council because they know you will do NOTHING. The behaviour of some of them is absolutely appalling, yet they get away with stuff that he rest of us don't. Currently you are discriminating against residents for illegal parking, littering, urinating in public, and a whole lot more. If residents did any of that, there would be action taken against them. That just isn't right - it's racial discrimination against us.
No-one in Creekmoor believes that they are not being punished. If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck.
As I've said in a post on another thread, instead of looking for a non-existent place in the borough to build a new traveller site, why not find a ready-made holiday caravan site away from all residences. Presumably you've still got the money from the sale of Marshes End (or didn't that happen?) so use that.
Time to treat residents fairly.[/p][/quote]Exactly Carolyn..the money for the sale of a Marshes end.?snowflakes

Quakers2 wrote:
Creekmoor should take its turn like everyone else. As the article says - court action will not happen straight away, ask the poor residents near Staples who had to endure these people for too long. Now, I am not saying that is right and would prefer the Council start eviction process on day 1 so as to cause everyone as much hassle as possible. However, stop bleating you are being treated any differently than Fleetsbridge, Hamworthy, Baiter or Sterte residents - you are not. Get over it. If, however, you were a Whitecliff resident then clearly a special law applies to encampments there. Enjoy the summer

Quaker2, please check facts.

Creekmoor has already had its fair share. There was a small group of travellers outside the park and ride for a while and no-one objected. They didn't break in, they weren't noisy, they weren't badly behaved, they didn't leave a mess, no-one objected, but they were in Creekmoor. So this is the second incursion.

But this lot have broken in and are disturbing the residents opposite with dogs barking and generators all night. So Creekmoor residents are being treated differently.

The worry is that, when the majority leave for the steam fair, they'll leave a couple behind to keep the site open and then return afterwards, effectively making it the default travellers' site.

As Marty Caine has said, there is a plot of land to the north of PC world which would be suitable with none of the problems of contamination and safety for which Marshes End was rejected BY THE PLANNING COMMITTEE. In fact when the planning application was first put on Poole Council web site the map showed that very area as the proposed site, but presumably it was a mistake and was quickly changed. Other mistakes on the original application were corrected later.

If the TSP had gone ahead, it wouldn't have solved the problem - it was too small to cater for all of those who are currently in Poole, so it would have cost the council tax payers more than now because there would have been the cost of that £230,000 in addition to the cost of evicting the rest from illegal encampments - they wouldn't have been able to be re-directed there if it was full would they?.

Yes and what about the poor farmer in Creekmoor last year what a mess they made of his field.

[quote][p][bold]Carolyn43[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Quakers2[/bold] wrote:
Creekmoor should take its turn like everyone else. As the article says - court action will not happen straight away, ask the poor residents near Staples who had to endure these people for too long. Now, I am not saying that is right and would prefer the Council start eviction process on day 1 so as to cause everyone as much hassle as possible. However, stop bleating you are being treated any differently than Fleetsbridge, Hamworthy, Baiter or Sterte residents - you are not. Get over it. If, however, you were a Whitecliff resident then clearly a special law applies to encampments there. Enjoy the summer[/p][/quote]Quaker2, please check facts.
Creekmoor has already had its fair share. There was a small group of travellers outside the park and ride for a while and no-one objected. They didn't break in, they weren't noisy, they weren't badly behaved, they didn't leave a mess, no-one objected, but they were in Creekmoor. So this is the second incursion.
But this lot have broken in and are disturbing the residents opposite with dogs barking and generators all night. So Creekmoor residents are being treated differently.
The worry is that, when the majority leave for the steam fair, they'll leave a couple behind to keep the site open and then return afterwards, effectively making it the default travellers' site.
As Marty Caine has said, there is a plot of land to the north of PC world which would be suitable with none of the problems of contamination and safety for which Marshes End was rejected BY THE PLANNING COMMITTEE. In fact when the planning application was first put on Poole Council web site the map showed that very area as the proposed site, but presumably it was a mistake and was quickly changed. Other mistakes on the original application were corrected later.
If the TSP had gone ahead, it wouldn't have solved the problem - it was too small to cater for all of those who are currently in Poole, so it would have cost the council tax payers more than now because there would have been the cost of that £230,000 in addition to the cost of evicting the rest from illegal encampments - they wouldn't have been able to be re-directed there if it was full would they?.[/p][/quote]Yes and what about the poor farmer in Creekmoor last year what a mess they made of his field.snowflakes

Once again, why do these people have the POWER, they are not like the original Romany Community, they are just modern day, out of work, non
Tax paying users, moving about living tax free on my husband's hard earned tax's. .Enough now.Get them moved on to a site that is outwith any Council Tax paying homes.
It is disgusting that people living near the park and ride have to pay their Council Tax and have the noise of dogs and generators.

Once again, why do these people have the POWER, they are not like the original Romany Community, they are just modern day, out of work, non
Tax paying users, moving about living tax free on my husband's hard earned tax's. .Enough now.Get them moved on to a site that is outwith any Council Tax paying homes.
It is disgusting that people living near the park and ride have to pay their Council Tax and have the noise of dogs and generators.snowflakes

cunone wrote:
The Council wanted a temporary stopping site which was going to cost all the rate payers circa £250,000. That means if you live in Creekmoor or Canford Cliffs your money would have been wasted as clearly the proposed sites were not only inadequate in planning terms but also not large enough.
The Park and Ride site was funded by central government but can only be used for the intended purpose. The site falls within the green belt and is within close proximity of Dorset Heathland which is also there to protect against development. Using the park and ride for travellers is a form of residential development and against the zoned use of the land. As a consequence the planning enforcement team need to serve notice on the Council to stop the current use as they would to any private individual.
The current situation for the entire town is we have a police force content turn a blind eye to criminal activity and choose not enforce the law
The Council complain they must have a temporary stopping site and it is a legal requirement to enable travellers to be moved on. Not so there are legal remedies but the Council have failed to act.
Creekmoor has one of the lowest crime rates in the county and we want to keep it that way. Perhaps as the authorities will not act for the law abiding tax payer and therefore by implication must support crime we the residents should form our own security patrols to keep our area safe for our families.

Creekmoor has one of the lowest crime rates in the county and we want to keep it that way. Perhaps as the authorities will not act for the law abiding tax payer and therefore by implication must support crime we the residents should form our own security patrols to keep our area safe for our families.
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Well said cunone ... I agree 100%.

[quote][p][bold]cunone[/bold] wrote:
The Council wanted a temporary stopping site which was going to cost all the rate payers circa £250,000. That means if you live in Creekmoor or Canford Cliffs your money would have been wasted as clearly the proposed sites were not only inadequate in planning terms but also not large enough.
The Park and Ride site was funded by central government but can only be used for the intended purpose. The site falls within the green belt and is within close proximity of Dorset Heathland which is also there to protect against development. Using the park and ride for travellers is a form of residential development and against the zoned use of the land. As a consequence the planning enforcement team need to serve notice on the Council to stop the current use as they would to any private individual.
The current situation for the entire town is we have a police force content turn a blind eye to criminal activity and choose not enforce the law
The Council complain they must have a temporary stopping site and it is a legal requirement to enable travellers to be moved on. Not so there are legal remedies but the Council have failed to act.
Creekmoor has one of the lowest crime rates in the county and we want to keep it that way. Perhaps as the authorities will not act for the law abiding tax payer and therefore by implication must support crime we the residents should form our own security patrols to keep our area safe for our families.[/p][/quote]Creekmoor has one of the lowest crime rates in the county and we want to keep it that way. Perhaps as the authorities will not act for the law abiding tax payer and therefore by implication must support crime we the residents should form our own security patrols to keep our area safe for our families.
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Well said cunone ... I agree 100%.snowflakes

Lucy28 wrote:
I have to say even as a Creekmoor resident that in my opinion the Creekmoor park and ride is currently the most suitable site in Poole for them. I didn't agree with the location of the proposed transit site because it wasn't a site that was girly for purpose. The travellers being on the Park and ride site provides no loss of play areas, or revenue from car parks, no real impact on tourism which does contribute to the local area. The travellers are pests that we currently have to deal with, if it's a no for the park and ride site where does any one propose that they go in the area

And what about the sites identified in 2012 after the sites at creekmoor were ruled out

These seem to have been forgotten by the council but are still available.

Exactly, so why are these sites not being considered again.

[quote][p][bold]DiggerRuss[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Lucy28[/bold] wrote:
I have to say even as a Creekmoor resident that in my opinion the Creekmoor park and ride is currently the most suitable site in Poole for them. I didn't agree with the location of the proposed transit site because it wasn't a site that was girly for purpose. The travellers being on the Park and ride site provides no loss of play areas, or revenue from car parks, no real impact on tourism which does contribute to the local area. The travellers are pests that we currently have to deal with, if it's a no for the park and ride site where does any one propose that they go in the area[/p][/quote]And what about the sites identified in 2012 after the sites at creekmoor were ruled out
1. Land at former community centre Turpin moor.
2. Branksome triangle, Bourne valley road
These seem to have been forgotten by the council but are still available.[/p][/quote]Exactly, so why are these sites not being considered again.snowflakes

adspacebroker wrote:
So Mr Robson, how do you respond to rumours that in fact PBC asked and encouraged the travellers to go to Creekmoor rather than play cat and mouse? Isn't it strange that we don't see these travellers in the winter......is it because they are not travellers at all and they go back and stick the caravan on the drive in October until March! Maybe they tell the elderly and vulnerable around the country that they need a £5 roof tile replacing for £5,000

If the rumour were true..then it needs full investigation.

[quote][p][bold]adspacebroker[/bold] wrote:
So Mr Robson, how do you respond to rumours that in fact PBC asked and encouraged the travellers to go to Creekmoor rather than play cat and mouse? Isn't it strange that we don't see these travellers in the winter......is it because they are not travellers at all and they go back and stick the caravan on the drive in October until March! Maybe they tell the elderly and vulnerable around the country that they need a £5 roof tile replacing for £5,000[/p][/quote]If the rumour were true..then it needs full investigation.snowflakes