2011 Election Thread

And you refuse to address the issues that really matter.If you want to take a look at the correlation between Race and Intelligence, look at Gcse results available at www.education.gov.ukAn indication, surely.

What are you talking about? I'm not refusing to do anything. I'm simply pointing out that you can't dismiss research just because you don't like what it implies. If you want to criticise the research, look at it and come up with something substantive (which is what Joe did), instead of of these ad hominem attacks. The sort of political correctness you promote is totally counterproductive. You were offended as soon as you heard that the question had even been researched. I find that attitude intolerable.

The Victorians justified slavery by claiming that Blacks were inferior, almost sub-human, and it seems to me that little has changed in over two hundred years. You still get the same disgusting attitudes propped up by the same pseudo science. The assholes that spit on my friends in the street and push dog-**** through their letter boxes and the yobs who make monkey chants at football matches and far worse, I'm not going into, all subscribe to the notion of white supremacy. Where on earth do you think they get these ideas from and how on earth do you think they keep on justifying them?People have to be really careful here that their findings about race and intelligence are beyond dispute. Of course they aren't and evidence that the research is anything but is out there. Also they have to consider the consequences of publishing these flawed findings. Anything to do with race and intelligence does not come from a neutral perspective and it is disingenuous to think otherwise.There are really crucial moral issues here.

I think that some black people are easy to pull out the race card when they feel like it. My daughters have been called white trash, here in NZ. I have also worked with black people that have threatened to pull out the race card with disputes at work. I don't have problems with anyone, no matter the colour of their skin or their political or religious values (no I don't like coverings over the face, that's been documented). I would like them to treat me as I treat them and I don't expect them to be treated any differently in the workplace/public place or by any government.

The Victorians justified slavery by claiming that Blacks were inferior, almost sub-human, and it seems to me that little has changed in over two hundred years. You still get the same disgusting attitudes propped up by the same pseudo science. The assholes that spit on my friends in the street and push dog-sh*t through their letter boxes and the yobs who make monkey chants at football matches and far worse, I'm not going into, all subscribe to the notion of white supremacy. Where on earth do you think they get these ideas from and how on earth do you think they keep on justifying them?People have to be really careful here that their findings about race and intelligence are beyond dispute. Of course they aren't and evidence that the research is anything but is out there. Also they have to consider the consequences of publishing these flawed findings. Anything to do with race and intelligence does not come from a neutral perspective and it is disingenuous to think otherwise.There are really crucial moral issues here.

But you don't get offended when someone says that black people are superior athletes to white people? Strange how that works. You are clearly one of those people who think that only white people can be racist.

And you did not look at the research. You just assumed it was flawed, without having read it. There's no point in continuing with this, since you seem oblivious to your own bias.

The Victorians justified slavery by claiming that Blacks were inferior, almost sub-human, and it seems to me that little has changed in over two hundred years. You still get the same disgusting attitudes propped up by the same pseudo science. The assholes that spit on my friends in the street and push dog-sh*t through their letter boxes and the yobs who make monkey chants at football matches and far worse, I'm not going into, all subscribe to the notion of white supremacy. Where on earth do you think they get these ideas from and how on earth do you think they keep on justifying them?People have to be really careful here that their findings about race and intelligence are beyond dispute. Of course they aren't and evidence that the research is anything but is out there. Also they have to consider the consequences of publishing these flawed findings. Anything to do with race and intelligence does not come from a neutral perspective and it is disingenuous to think otherwise.There are really crucial moral issues here.

Sorry but you really are just ignoring what Clydey is saying for the sake of it now.

None of us are being racist or suggesting white supremacy, what is being said that our opinion does not stand as evidence of fact. Therefore you shouting your opinion about this, if just that. If you then support your opinion with evidence, then it is a justified and proven opinion. This is not just in the case of this topic but of all, Clydey is saying this is the basic point of all discussion. That we each hold our own opinion, and then we support it out with our own thoughts.

Actually Hazel, I don't believe BBH is ignoring what Clydey is saying, she is just expressing her opinion, which she's perfectly entitled to do......as we all are! An opinion is just that! When it becomes 'justified and proven', it ceases to be an opinion.......it becomes a fact! Now I don't agree with everything that BBH says, [she knows this], but I would never try to deny her, her right to say it [as long as it doesn't hurt anyone]! In this case, as it happens, I think she's right!

Sorry but you really are just ignoring what Clydey is saying for the sake of it now.

None of us are being racist or suggesting white supremacy, what is being said that our opinion does not stand as evidence of fact. Therefore you shouting your opinion about this, if just that. If you then support your opinion with evidence, then it is a justified and proven opinion. This is not just in the case of this topic but of all, Clydey is saying this is the basic point of all discussion. That we each hold our own opinion, and then we support it out with our own thoughts.

If you must indulge in condescending academic verbosity, which is what your post is, then please at least be grammatically correct.

Some people insist that since “none” is derived from “no one” it should always be singular: “none of us is having dessert.” However, in standard usage, the word is most often treated as a plural. “None of us are having dessert” will do just fine.

Actually Hazel, I don't believe BBH is ignoring what Clydey is saying, she is just expressing her opinion, which she's perfectly entitled to do......as we all are! An opinion is just that! When it becomes 'justified and proven', it ceases to be an opinion.......it becomes a fact! Now I don't agree with everything that BBH says, [she knows this], but I would never try to deny her, her right to say it [as long as it doesn't hurt anyone]! In this case, as it happens, I think she's right!

I don't think Hazel is trying to censor BBH, so I'm not sure why both you and Aileen have jumped on her post. BBH is simply refusing to listen, despite clearly being in the wrong.

I never jumped on anyone's post! I commented on it and I didn't even do that until about 14 or so later! Are we not allowed to make comments about other people's posts now, or is it only allowed if we agree with them?

Actually Hazel, I don't believe BBH is ignoring what Clydey is saying, she is just expressing her opinion, which she's perfectly entitled to do......as we all are! An opinion is just that! When it becomes 'justified and proven', it ceases to be an opinion.......it becomes a fact! Now I don't agree with everything that BBH says, [she knows this], but I would never try to deny her, her right to say it [as long as it doesn't hurt anyone]! In this case, as it happens, I think she's right!

Exactly she was giving an opinion. However, she was then discussing the apparent evidence, support and studies carried out. Therefore she can't, when asked, just counter the studies (whether we agree with them or not, or think they are biased or incorrect) with her opinion. That was what I was saying.

I think that some black people are easy to pull out the race card when they feel like it. My daughters have been called white trash, here in NZ. I have also worked with black people that have threatened to pull out the race card with disputes at work. I don't have problems with anyone, no matter the colour of their skin or their political or religious values (no I don't like coverings over the face, that's been documented). I would like them to treat me as I treat them and I don't expect them to be treated any differently in the workplace/public place or by any government.

I never came across colour prejudice until I went to work in London in the early 1960s. Don't know what it's like now, but at that time the transport system seemed to be run almost entirely by West Indians and there was a high WI population. Maybe because at the time I had very fair hair, I don't know, but I got called 'white trash' and a few other insulting names, something I very much resented in my own native country! They were the incomers, not me.

I never jumped on anyone's post! I commented on it and I didn't even do that until about 14 or so later! Are we not allowed to make comments about other people's posts now, or is it only allowed if we agree with them?

You do realise that you inexplicably accused Hazel of trying to censor BBH, right? That's what I'm taking issue with.