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This is what I don't understand about criticisms of something like Dark Knight Rises. It's a fiction, a fiction in which both sides are repugnant and the audience's sympathies are with the one guy in a funny costume. Yes, the fiction looks a lot like the real world, though changed in fantastical ways, but that is why it is fictional. Plato would have something to say about not being able to distinguish fiction from fact. Also, there's an essay by Eco ('The Myth of Superman') about how and why good in Superman is defined as the law of private property. Both of which would be more productive avenues of discussion than handwringing over the perceived political injustices in the representation of a fictional world.

Society runs on fiction. Economies run on fiction. Myth-making is the main business of any civilization. Most of the West's leisure time goes in to consuming elaborately-produced fiction churned out by massive billion-dollar industries, but somehow this has no impact on us? I'm not sure how the basic idea of culture could seem like such a silly idea to someone derisively suggesting Eco essays. I could suggest in turn you read some Joseph Campbell, or hell, even cite Plato right back at you, but instead I'll just propose that if you don't think the terms of a discussion are worthwhile, you'll probably be happier spending your time elsewhere instead of undermining someone's interests.

Society runs on fiction. Economies run on fiction. Myth-making is the main business of any civilization. Most of the West's leisure time goes in to consuming elaborately-produced fiction churned out by massive billion-dollar industries, but somehow this has no impact on us? I'm not sure how the basic idea of culture could seem like such a silly idea to someone derisively suggesting Eco essays. I could suggest in turn you read some Joseph Campbell, or hell, even cite Plato right back at you, but instead I'll just propose that if you don't think the terms of a discussion are worthwhile, you'll probably be happier spending your time elsewhere instead of undermining someone's interests.

I was not citing Eco derisively. I did not suggest the idea of culture is silly. I was suggesting that the discussion be further nuanced, instead of being restricted to a simple feedback system between society and its fictions. Not sure whose interests you think I'm trying to undermine, except people who have found the society/fiction link a convenient place to stop thinking.

Also, if you're going to cite Plato (presumably Republic on the banning of undesirable arts), you should be prepared to address the totalitarian state he recommends, along with its perfected state ideological apparatus.

Edit: Is it me, or are people really touchy about being asked to think?

Not gonna lie, I know next to nothing about the game but I preordered simply because the preorder deals make it worth it.

What's more, as a libertarian leaning video game player who happens to take moral objection to video games that let you kill children, I can finally get round to playing a game that I imagine is gonna be like a GCSE essay on Rand. Looking forward to this treat.

Not gonna lie, I know next to nothing about the game but I preordered simply because the preorder deals make it worth it.

What's more, as a libertarian leaning video game player who happens to take moral objection to video games that let you kill children, I can finally get round to playing a game that I imagine is gonna be like a GCSE essay on Rand. Looking forward to this treat.

Yeah, from skimming the RPS WiT, my assumptions hold true. It is like Bioshock 1. Decent game, nothing amazing, with a divisive plot. I for one hated Bioshock's plot as I felt it was lazy and ill thought out whereas other people claim it was genius and "meta" and deeply philisophical and junk. Because people have different opinions (it is just that every opinion that isn't my own is wrong :p).

To those that are waiting for the midnight release, you might want to head over to your graphics card provider and update your drivers. Nvidia released a new driver today with performance gains for Infinite. I assume AMD has or will do the same.

To those that are waiting for the midnight release, you might want to head over to your graphics card provider and update your drivers. Nvidia released a new driver today with performance gains for Infinite. I assume AMD has or will do the same.

Been playing a few hours now and I'm loving it :) a bit of a VERY MINOR not even story related but an easter egg spoiler (Dunno how to spoiler tag this so stop reading now. NOW. Seriously, right now if you don't want to know!):

Seems our beloved Mr. Jim Rossignol has a bit of a cameo as a pervert right near the very start of the game :)

Yes, I update the below link frequently on a whisky fuelled rampage. I regret nothing.