<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>I gotta say, that was a VERY good speech. I don't think I have ever heard a candidate give a speech like that!<p><hr></blockquote><p> I got a couple of years on you. Memorizing speeches by King and Robert Kennedy were a weird past-time I had as a kid. That Bobby Kennedy gave one of his best extemporaneous speech just miles away from me in Indianapolis the night King was murdered made an impression.<br><br>All that and I agree with you. In its immediacy it rates number one. We will see how it wears. In five years it might not be number one in my book but I am sure it will make my top ten list.<br><br><br><br><br>

<br>[color:blue]Is it elitism to have the ability to put oneself in another's shoes and see life through their eyes?</font color=blue><br><br>Of course not.<br>But it is elitism, to assume that just because someone disagrees with one's findings, he/she is lacking that ability.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p><br><br>The comparison between a minister and a close family member is silly: You can change church!<br><p><hr></blockquote><p> If you think Obama needs or wants to change church you are really missing the point. That you have not really thought about being a minister in the south side of Chicago. That Obama has no need to apologize for "God damn America" coming from a pulpit he sat in front of. If you think he should have gotten up in disgust and walked out as the criticizer's believe you are missing the point. <br><br>Obama does not need to change church. The Obama detractors are making that church and being a Christian who is black a liability. I think that is wrong headed and stupid.<br><br>

<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>But it is elitism, to assume that just because someone disagrees with one's findings, he/she is lacking that ability.<p><hr></blockquote><p>Some would also call it idiocy. ;)<br><br>I'm with you in that while we may look at the same things, we won't (and probably shouldn't) always come to the same conclusions.<br><br><br><br>Hey I'm an F'n Jerk!®

In his speech, Obama tried to equate Reverend Wright's racist and anti-America comments to those of your pastor, priest or rabbi that you might've disagreed with. Well, in all my years of going to different churches, I've never heard a pastor or minister come close to the inflammatory words used and embraced by Reverend Wright. <br><br>Obama also tried to give "context" to those words by briefing us on the America Wright grew up in. He also touted Wright's good works. Was Obama so willing to give Don Imus's words "context" by looking at the America Imus grew up in? So willing to look at all the charitable and good works Imus has done? <br><br>Obama was also arrogant in his speech. He said:<br><br><blockquote>Trinity's services are full of raucous laughter and sometimes bawdy humor. They are full of dancing, clapping, screaming and shouting that may seem jarring to the untrained ear</blockquote><br><br>As if somehow we shouldn't find it shocking to see Wright making racist comments, and seeing the congregation laughing, standing and cheering. As if we should find it natural to see a minister denigrate a former President and first lady by simulating "doggie style sex" from the pulpit. No, we just have an "untrained ear." <br><br>His speech was disappointing. It could've really been a "speech for the ages" as Chris Matthews gushed. But it was a sad, missed real opportunity. Up to this point I had no opinion of Obama either way, but his excuse making and embracing of Reverend Wright turned the corner for me. <br><br>***********************<br>I got nothin'

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