William Barr appoints U.S. attorney to investigate Russia probe origins

Investigations are supposed to conclude whether there is a crime, or whether there isn't.

Fixed it for ya.

No. Investigations only aim to determine if there is enough evidence to satisfy the burdens placed on the government by the Constitution.

That's it. For a prosecutorial decision, they have enough evidence to reasonably conclude something took place. Or not.

One person says his neighbor hit him. The neighbor says he didn't. If there is not a preponderance of evidence suggesting the neighbor hit him, the
report is closed unfounded or unsubstantiated. It doesn't mean the neighbor is innocent or a crime did not occur. That's not the purpose of the
investigation.
The investigation determines whether or not the state has sufficient evidence that an individual committed a crime so it can act
non-consenually against a citizen.
The citizen has no burden. If the police knock on his door, he is free to tell them to # off. Unless they have met their threshold of evidence, the
police/government is powerless to interfere with the rights of the citizen. The citizen never has to provide evidence to the state to exonerate
himself.

They only need a preponderance of evidence (more likely than not) to seek an indictment. The threshold is even lower to detain you temporarily
(reasonable suspicion).

The Mueller report cannot conclude a crime occurred after two years of subpeonas, warrants, and interviews. That they also don't clear him of
wrong-doing or may still have suspicions is meaningless if they cannot meet their thresholds of evidence. Ask O.J.

Actually, I agree and thanks for the work of explaining it so clearly.

I was just trying to give a pithy reply to another poster but it wasn't entirely exact.

originally posted by: chr0naut
'collusion' is a deflection used by Trump from the consideration of far more serious crimes, which were the ones actually being investigated.

Funny, I could have sworn every democratic affiliated media organisation said collusion about 1200 times per day.
So did Nadler, Pelosi, Schiff, Hillary, Comey, Brennan..

and yet, its just a made up word Trump used to deflect from his real crimes... which were in fact not found in the special counsel.

sense = 0

No, collusion is a real term and a business misdemeanour, but not in Federal law.

Although I can't be sure, I believe that Trump used it first in regard to Mueller's investigation, then the AG echoed it in an impromptu stairway
interview and then the next thing everyone was talking about 'collusion'.

originally posted by: chr0naut
'collusion' is a deflection used by Trump from the consideration of far more serious crimes, which were the ones actually being investigated.

Funny, I could have sworn every democratic affiliated media organisation said collusion about 1200 times per day.
So did Nadler, Pelosi, Schiff, Hillary, Comey, Brennan..

and yet, its just a made up word Trump used to deflect from his real crimes... which were in fact not found in the special counsel.

sense = 0

No, collusion is a real term and a business misdemeanour, but not in Federal law.

Although I can't be sure, I believe that Trump used it first in regard to Mueller's investigation, then the AG echoed it in an impromptu stairway
interview and then the next thing everyone was talking about 'collusion'.

Still isn't actually a Federal crime, no matter how many echo it.

I mean, should we eat feces just 'cause billions of flies do?

sly!

it all feels very much like moving goalposts..

there's still 0 evidence of anything nefarious occurring from the Trump campaign during the election.
the Clinton Campaign, DOJ, FBI, CIA and Obama administration though....

originally posted by: chr0naut
'collusion' is a deflection used by Trump from the consideration of far more serious crimes, which were the ones actually being investigated.

Funny, I could have sworn every democratic affiliated media organisation said collusion about 1200 times per day.
So did Nadler, Pelosi, Schiff, Hillary, Comey, Brennan..

and yet, its just a made up word Trump used to deflect from his real crimes... which were in fact not found in the special counsel.

sense = 0

No, collusion is a real term and a business misdemeanour, but not in Federal law.

Although I can't be sure, I believe that Trump used it first in regard to Mueller's investigation, then the AG echoed it in an impromptu stairway
interview and then the next thing everyone was talking about 'collusion'.

Still isn't actually a Federal crime, no matter how many echo it.

I mean, should we eat feces just 'cause billions of flies do?

sly!

it all feels very much like moving goalposts..

there's still 0 evidence of anything nefarious occurring from the Trump campaign during the election.
the Clinton Campaign, DOJ, FBI, CIA and Obama administration though....

originally posted by: chr0naut
'collusion' is a deflection used by Trump from the consideration of far more serious crimes, which were the ones actually being investigated.

Funny, I could have sworn every democratic affiliated media organisation said collusion about 1200 times per day.
So did Nadler, Pelosi, Schiff, Hillary, Comey, Brennan..

and yet, its just a made up word Trump used to deflect from his real crimes... which were in fact not found in the special counsel.

sense = 0

No, collusion is a real term and a business misdemeanour, but not in Federal law.

Although I can't be sure, I believe that Trump used it first in regard to Mueller's investigation, then the AG echoed it in an impromptu stairway
interview and then the next thing everyone was talking about 'collusion'.

Still isn't actually a Federal crime, no matter how many echo it.

I mean, should we eat feces just 'cause billions of flies do?

sly!

it all feels very much like moving goalposts..

there's still 0 evidence of anything nefarious occurring from the Trump campaign during the election.
the Clinton Campaign, DOJ, FBI, CIA and Obama administration though....

Fabricated by democrats. And no one cares about what hookers say. Hacking attempts are prosecutable as well as all forms of fraud, so there should be
some criminal charges from state prosecutors where the crimes occurred. No charges? Okay.

So you mean you have been commenting on all of these threads about the mueller report, and you are unaware that in the us legal system there is a
presumption of innocence?

That is unfortunate

Cite the statute, then.

You seriously think there is no presumption of innocence? Wow.

The principle that there is a presumption of innocence in favor of the accused is the undoubted law, axiomatic and elementary, and its
enforcement lies at the foundation of the administration of our criminal law.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be
violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be
searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Nice
Just straight up lies.
Sorta like the trump 2014 court case...right?

Nothing further needed from you.

I think ATS need to ban Chr0 since he never admits he was wrong and keeps on with lies like collusion and Presumption of innocence in Western law
since the Magna Carta was signed. He even lies about understanding what has been explained many times to him. If not banned then as a Proven liar, he
should at least have an asterisk with a note they are proven wrong 99% of the time or whatever the stat really is (99.9%).
/s

Nah I can copy and paste that to my friends Facebook and get a good laugh.

It's worth noting that a fair trial cannot happen without the presumption of innocence. As such, the sixth amendment would be the codifying of the
presumption of innocence, when it says you have the right to a fair and public trial.

It's worth noting that a fair trial cannot happen without the presumption of innocence. As such, the sixth amendment would be the codifying of the
presumption of innocence, when it says you have the right to a fair and public trial.

Agreed.

In addition the criminal standard of beyon a reasonable doubt implies the presumption of innocence.

But we see the trump resisatnce is trying to change this, in the Kavanaugh situation, and now with trump.

Today at a law enforcement ceremony at Capitol: AG Barr approached Pelosi, shook her hand: "Madam Speaker, did you bring your handcuffs?" Pelosi
smiled and, per a bystander, told Barr the House Sergeant at Arms was there should an arrest be needed. Barr laughed; walked away

Anyone who thinks trump making a joke at a campaign rally for Russia to get hillarys emails - is a hacking/treason attempt is an idiot.

Was that ever an allegation?

Paying hookers isnt a crime

Prostitution is only legal in Nevada. Someone paying for prostitution would be charged with "solicitation for prostitution", which is illegal in most
states.

Denials of business meetings?

Yeah, I know, why not just say "I was looking to build a Trump tower in Moscow, nothing came of it", instead Trump kept strenuously denying it.

Tax fraud? Campaign fraud? Care to provide evidence or is that just msm speak

Under the Mueller investigation;
- Paul Mannafort, the Trump Campaign Manager, was convicted of 8 counts of financial crimes.
- Michael Cohen, Trump's personal lawyer during the Campaign, has been convicted of tax and bank charges, campaign finance violations and lying to
Congress. In total, 8 counts.
- Konstantin Kilimnik, an employee of Mannafort (Trump's campaign manager) was charged, by Mueller, with conspiracy to obstruct justice and
obstruction of justice for witness tampering during the Manafort investigation (and Trump repeatedly said there was no obstruction of justice).

There was a total of 34 people indicted as a direct result of the Mueller investigation.

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