ThomasA - the sources that I was speaking of are new sources of electricity. OG&E has not built a new fossil fuel plant since the 70s. Nearly all of their production budget has gone to wind energy, which does not replace fossil fuel plants - because even in Oklahoma, the wind doesn't always blow - so there always has to be a redundant fossil fuel plant to back up every wind generator. Coal is plentiful and so is natural gas.

Obviously, conservation is part of the equation, but SMART meters don't conserve energy. More efficient heating and cooling systems do, and yet a very limited amount of money goes to retrofitting or encouraging better efficiency for the same comfort. The net effect of SMART meters is to make people less comfortable and less secure.

My gripe with energy policy is that OG&E is trying to sugar coat the SMART meter program by telling people that it saves energy when it doesn't.

You want real savings, update 1000 homes and businesses a year with GEO-thermal A/C. Call a spade a spade. SMART meters are an operational savings for OG&E at the expense of the health and security of the customer, but they DON'T SAVE ENERGY.

OG&E builds wind mills because they are government subsidized - not because they are a great source of energy. The windmills produce a small fraction of OG&E's total electrical output, and as mentioned before, every windmill needs a fossil fuel generation system to back it up anyway, so it doesn't even save on capital equipment cost.

Like I said, way too small for me - in a neighborhood of equally small and arrogant people that think that living behind a wall and gates somehow gives them a corner on intelligence and gives them the right to control or destroy other people's lives.

Small little places, small little people, small little minds, small little dreams that they are somehow important in the small little world that they have imagined for themselves.

<quoted text>That's truely well said.You're not invited.Not intelligent enough.Other people need controlling for 'our' own good.Your smart meter is listening and reporting on you.Destroy it now. Use a metal club.You'll feel controlled.

Wouldn't want an invitation to your little cloister of arrogance. And frankly, you have exposed yourself. It isn't about saving energy, SMART meters are about control.

And just so you know, I have already neutered my SMART meter might have been able to gather.

Perhaps you could explain to the forum why someone of your "stature" living in gated zoo in Dallas is posting on the Oklahoma forum?

ThomasA, sadly you are the one that is doing the 2-step. You are giddy with excitement about the billions of dollars being spent that don't do a single thing to improve HVAC cooling efficiency. Now THAT is something that would ACTUALLY SAVE ELECTRICITY.

The technology is available that can yield real savings, but yet you and people like you have squandered billions of dollars on foolishness like SMART meters with the only result being higher prices and a lower standard of living.

I hope that you read the report that showed that Germany has spent in excess of $100 billion to stave off global warming for a whopping 37 minutes.

Its you and people like you that are destroying the economy of this country by supporting foolish initiatives that increase the cost of energy. And in this case, those that are least able to cope with the effects are those that are most susceptible to them. i.e. those that actually stay at home during the day, like the elderly and those with small children, those on fixed incomes and modest budgets.

Shame on you. The legacy that you are leaving your children and grandchildren is one of a lower standard of living and a feeble economy. It will be a delicious slice of irony when you or those you love are found in an old folks home somewhere and they cut off the AC from 2pm until 7pm. I am sure that the residents will give you a standing ovation.

The technology is available that can yield real savings, but yet you and people like you have squandered billions of dollars on foolishness like SMART meters with the only result being higher prices and a lower standard of living.

You are so right. I'm sure the utility companies aresquandering billions on foolishness like smart meters.That's got to be wrong. I wish you were in charge so that this would stop. You're a genius.

If they upped the voltage they could sell even more.Think about it. Make that suggestion to them, genius.

<quoted text>You are so right. I'm sure the utility companies aresquandering billions on foolishness like smart meters.That's got to be wrong. I wish you were in chargeso that this would stop. You're a genius.If they upped the voltage they could sell even more.Think about it. Make that suggestion to them, genius.

Its easy to squander government money. You notice they didn't spend their own money. Genius.

smart_okie I emailed the forum but got no reply and evidently cannot contact you.Smart Meter problems:Privacy: Visual explanation of your detailed in-home data that is collected & will probably be soldHealth: Via court order, Utility Companies admits smart meters emit 14,000 bursts per day on average - or every 6 seconds - and up to 190,000 / day.(This does not even include the planned 2.4gHz in-home transmissions via the "zigbee" chip in the new appliances.)Health: Single smart meter radiation is 50x to 450x more full-body radiation exposure than an active cell-phoneHealth: Single smart meter radiation is approx 100x higher than level internationally recognized as "extreme concern"The smart people with cell phones on their heads and lap tops on their laps and are all for smart meters and smart meter appliances all around them...and that call people foil hats and make fun of other people not living like them.... I worry those smart people are not very smart. And are a danger to themselves and others.

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