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Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

Lol... everyone's answer for everything is ZETSU! Zetsu this... Zetsu that... Zetsu, Zetsu, Zetsu! Kakashi is NOT a Zetsu clone that killed Rin. People used to say that Tobi was 100% Zetsu before they new things.... people used to call other characters Zetsu before they got any information on anything. Zetsu can copy appearances... but he cannot copy attacks. If that were the case, Zetsu would be one of the strongest characters in the show!

Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

Spiral Zetsu interrupts: You have seen enough. Lets go back. This ninja world is full of flaws.

Obito crying: No, not now, I want to see, why has this happened!!

*A mist shinobi appears, injured looking at Kakashi*

Mist Shinobi: You bastard. How did you figure out she was one of our spies?

Kakashi: ...

Obito/Zetsu: ?!

Kakashi with tears: To be betrayed like this, by someone I considered a friend, Rin, did you ever have feelings for us? For Obito?

Rin (with blood in her mouth, choking): My parents were killed by the leaf as was my family. I grew hateful towards Konoha but after Obito's death, I learned that ... everyone is capable of both good and evil. When I was first assigned to my mission, I wanted revenge. Now, I have seen it all for myself. We are our own worst enemies. There will never be peace with this shinobi system. Loyalty to ones village is a poison.

Mist Shinobi/Kakashi/Obito/Zetsu: ?!?!

Rin: We'll do anything our village tells us.

Kakashi: That is our role as Shinobi! We are ...

Rin crying: We are children Kakashi, children. Not Shinobi. Children forced into a bitter world. Children who have had their parents killed and children now used by villages to kill. This system is evil. Peace can only exist within an illusion.

Obito: ?!?!

Rin crying more: I know how much you blame yourself for Obito. It wasn't your fault. He was forced into it. He died a fool believing he was protecting his village and friends, while it was the villages who created all the wars.

Madara: I left the village shortly. Its a poison, this shinobi world. Peace can only be obtained through an illusion!

Obito: ?!?!?!

Madara: You should stay here boy. You have nothing left in Konoha, no parents, no friends.

Obito: I have Kakashi and Sens..

Madara: Don't be foolish child. You will come to lose them to, and what then? Stay here with me and we will both develop peace together.

Obito: ... I'm leaving as soon as I come strong enough on my own.

Madara thinks to himself: That's plenty of time to change you.

*Later, Obito is asleep when Spiral goes to Madara*

Spiral Zetsu: You orchestrated this didn't you?

Madara: We needed to give the boy a little perspective. He will come to accept soon enough.

Spiral Zetsu: What do you plan Madara, do you really think the moon's eye plan will give us peace?

Madara: Peace? What a rubbish word!

Zetsu: ?!?!

Madara: Its never been about peace.

*Madara smiles devilishly*

Madara: Its about immortality and power.

Chapter 606

*Flash back ended, scene focus on Kakashi*

Kakashi panting: Why ... after everything I've done and believed in, this is how it stacks up?

Obito: This Shinobi system is riddled with hate. You're beginning to understand Kakashi. Your father was a man who chose his friends over the order of his village elders. He was mocked for it and paid the ultimate price. Rin was a friend we cherished, a child soldier of war, being born into this hateful world. There was a time, you could say that I loved her.

Naruto: What is he talking about ???!

Obito: Sensei? Heh ? Another one groomed to be a solider. He excelled in his abilities but also paid the ultimate price didn't he.

Naruto: You were the one responsible for my fathers death! Stop your nonsense!

Obito: I did it for peace.

*Meanwhile, Madara is listening. However, he seems bored with their conversation*

Obito: And Kakashi, what about Sasuke?

Kakashi/Naruto: ?!?!

Obito: Another child soldier born in the wrong time. He was a disciple of yours. You should understand now.

Kakashi: ...

Obito: Your life is one of sadness and misery. Join me and we will give this world peace.

Kakashi: ....

Kakashi with his head down and his attitude deflated: My life is full of failures. Obito, what you said to me that day, about teamwork and friends, I held it very close to my heart. But now ... the very person I looked up to as an inspiration to the Shinobi world, stands before me now wanting peace in a different way. My father really was a hero. I lost him as a young boy, I was bitter. Sensei and Rin died young as well. Rin was never loyal to any village. She only completed her mission because she was promised safety at the end of it. Sensei gave his life to protect the people of Konoha. Sasuke is another one. As you said, a child soldier forced into a situation he didn't deserve. Maybe there was a meaning to Rin's words after all. Can peace really only be achieved in an illusion?

Naruto: KAKASHI YOU IDIOT!

*Naruto's thunderous voice is like a slap waking Kakashi up*

Naruto: ARE YOU HONESTLY LISTENING TO THIS RUBBISH!

Kurama thinking: hehehe, Naruto, you really are like the old man.

*Madara suddenly becomes interested*

Naruto: Just like you, I have also wanted to protect my friends. I learnt that from you!

Kakashi: ....

Naruto: I'm going to save Sasuke! Because that's what it means to being a friend!

Naruto: Master Jiriya believed that peace could be achieved at our own will! My father did so to and so do Nagato and Itachi!

Kakashi: ?! Itachi?

Naruto: He was the man who ended Edo Tensei!

Kakashi/Madara/Obito: ?!?!

Naruto: Kakashi, you are my teacher and if you ever utter that crap again, I'm going to PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE

Kakashi: ?!?

Naruto looks at Obito: I don't know who you are but ...

Naruto: Just look at the world. We are no longer villages. We are ONE! We are all comrades in this together!

Kakashi: ?!!!!!

Naruto: And Kakashi, taught me all of this. And I will be the 6th Hokage, believe it!!!!

*Naruto looks at Kakashi*

Naruto smiles: Kakashi, don't change. I'm glad you were my teacher!

*Kakashi smiles ....*

Naruto: Kakashi, I'm proud of you! And I know that my father would be as well!

*Kakashi is shocked, Gai is in tears and Killerbee screams with excitement*

Naruto: I will end all the pain and suffering. We will become friends and move on together! At our own will!

Spiral Zetsu interrupts: You have seen enough. Lets go back. This ninja world is full of flaws.

Obito crying: No, not now, I want to see, why has this happened!!

*A mist shinobi appears, injured looking at Kakashi*

Mist Shinobi: You bastard. How did you figure out she was one of our spies?

Kakashi: ...

Obito/Zetsu: ?!

Kakashi with tears: To be betrayed like this, by someone I considered a friend, Rin, did you ever have feelings for us? For Obito?

Rin (with blood in her mouth, choking): My parents were killed by the leaf as was my family. I grew hateful towards Konoha but after Obito's death, I learned that ... everyone is capable of both good and evil. When I was first assigned to my mission, I wanted revenge. Now, I have seen it all for myself. We are our own worst enemies. There will never be peace with this shinobi system. Loyalty to ones village is a poison.

Mist Shinobi/Kakashi/Obito/Zetsu: ?!?!

Rin: We'll do anything our village tells us.

Kakashi: That is our role as Shinobi! We are ...

Rin crying: We are children Kakashi, children. Not Shinobi. Children forced into a bitter world. Children who have had their parents killed and children now used by villages to kill. This system is evil. Peace can only exist within an illusion.

Obito: ?!?!

Rin crying more: I know how much you blame yourself for Obito. It wasn't your fault. He was forced into it. He died a fool believing he was protecting his village and friends, while it was the villages who created all the wars.

Madara: I left the village shortly. Its a poison, this shinobi world. Peace can only be obtained through an illusion!

Obito: ?!?!?!

Madara: You should stay here boy. You have nothing left in Konoha, no parents, no friends.

Obito: I have Kakashi and Sens..

Madara: Don't be foolish child. You will come to lose them to, and what then? Stay here with me and we will both develop peace together.

Obito: ... I'm leaving as soon as I come strong enough on my own.

Madara thinks to himself: That's plenty of time to change you.

*Later, Obito is asleep when Spiral goes to Madara*

Spiral Zetsu: You orchestrated this didn't you?

Madara: We needed to give the boy a little perspective. He will come to accept soon enough.

Spiral Zetsu: What do you plan Madara, do you really think the moon's eye plan will give us peace?

Madara: Peace? What a rubbish word!

Zetsu: ?!?!

Madara: Its never been about peace.

*Madara smiles devilishly*

Madara: Its about immortality and power.

Chapter 606

*Flash back ended, scene focus on Kakashi*

Kakashi panting: Why ... after everything I've done and believed in, this is how it stacks up?

Obito: This Shinobi system is riddled with hate. You're beginning to understand Kakashi. Your father was a man who chose his friends over the order of his village elders. He was mocked for it and paid the ultimate price. Rin was a friend we cherished, a child soldier of war, being born into this hateful world. There was a time, you could say that I loved her.

Naruto: What is he talking about ???!

Obito: Sensei? Heh ? Another one groomed to be a solider. He excelled in his abilities but also paid the ultimate price didn't he.

Naruto: You were the one responsible for my fathers death! Stop your nonsense!

Obito: I did it for peace.

*Meanwhile, Madara is listening. However, he seems bored with their conversation*

Obito: And Kakashi, what about Sasuke?

Kakashi/Naruto: ?!?!

Obito: Another child soldier born in the wrong time. He was a disciple of yours. You should understand now.

Kakashi: ...

Obito: Your life is one of sadness and misery. Join me and we will give this world peace.

Kakashi: ....

Kakashi with his head down and his attitude deflated: My life is full of failures. Obito, what you said to me that day, about teamwork and friends, I held it very close to my heart. But now ... the very person I looked up to as an inspiration to the Shinobi world, stands before me now wanting peace in a different way. My father really was a hero. I lost him as a young boy, I was bitter. Sensei and Rin died young as well. Rin was never loyal to any village. She only completed her mission because she was promised safety at the end of it. Sensei gave his life to protect the people of Konoha. Sasuke is another one. As you said, a child soldier forced into a situation he didn't deserve. Maybe there was a meaning to Rin's words after all. Can peace really only be achieved in an illusion?

Naruto: KAKASHI YOU IDIOT!

*Naruto's thunderous voice is like a slap waking Kakashi up*

Naruto: ARE YOU HONESTLY LISTENING TO THIS RUBBISH!

Kurama thinking: hehehe, Naruto, you really are like the old man.

*Madara suddenly becomes interested*

Naruto: Just like you, I have also wanted to protect my friends. I learnt that from you!

Kakashi: ....

Naruto: I'm going to save Sasuke! Because that's what it means to being a friend!

Naruto: Master Jiriya believed that peace could be achieved at our own will! My father did so to and so do Nagato and Itachi!

Kakashi: ?! Itachi?

Naruto: He was the man who ended Edo Tensei!

Kakashi/Madara/Obito: ?!?!

Naruto: Kakashi, you are my teacher and if you ever utter that crap again, I'm going to PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE

Kakashi: ?!?

Naruto looks at Obito: I don't know who you are but ...

Naruto: Just look at the world. We are no longer villages. We are ONE! We are all comrades in this together!

Kakashi: ?!!!!!

Naruto: And Kakashi, taught me all of this. And I will be the 6th Hokage, believe it!!!!

*Naruto looks at Kakashi*

Naruto smiles: Kakashi, don't change. I'm glad you were my teacher!

*Kakashi smiles ....*

Naruto: Kakashi, I'm proud of you! And I know that my father would be as well!

*Kakashi is shocked, Gai is in tears and Killerbee screams with excitement*

Naruto: I will end all the pain and suffering. We will become friends and move on together! At our own will!

Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605Predictions

Originally Posted by WoodsyOwl

I predict that two white zetsu copied kakashi's and rin chakra, turned into them and staged that scene. We don't see any mist ninjas, we don't see anyone. Also kakashi isn't the one to get caught into genjutsu so simple. But who knows, I might be wrong.

Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

Originally Posted by Davatar

What if Obito's MS abilities activited, because of his close proximity with Kakashi and the senju body armor, and that caused Kakashi's arm, in the middle of an attack against a hidden mist ninja, to be sent to another dimension/towards the object Obito was thinking about the most....Rin...

So Rin died to an accident? lol

It's a very plasuable theory, but I just don't see it happening. But all of this really is sort of a mind f***, Kakashi all those times at the memorial was thinking about how he killed Rin. Yikes

That is, if he actually did it (I'm personally split 50/50 on it, see my other thread for debate on that matter)

Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 604 Discussion and 605 Predictions

Originally Posted by jayced

Also I really don't think that Kakashi was a Zetsu clone because of Obito sharing vision with Kakashi's sharingan, it wouldn't make sense if it was a clone. Rin totally could have been, but I still don't think that is the case.

actuall i just thought about this after u said this. there is a possibility even just a little that Kakashi was a zetsu clone because think about it zetsu can share what he is seeing or has seen and since Obito is covered in zetsu goo zetsu can easily make it seem like he saw it through the Sharingan, but the only thing that could make this an impossibility is the sight of kakashi crying but even at that zetsu is good at acting like the person he has transformed into really well