Great at being a pain in the ass, sure. But Puck doesn't do much damage and his (her?) stats are terrible because he's balanced around Phase Shift being used to avoid damage. Plus Puck needs a lot of XP and items to reach that "holy fuck why will it just not DIE?" stage - blink dagger, force staff/eul's, etc.

I agree. Easy to push out of lane and easy to kill in the duration of a stun or silence. However, his ultimate and silence are great and his mobility allows him to chase people down, he's basically a QoP with an AoE stun and silence instead of her screams. Where he falls short is lane phase, Puck isn't very good for last hitting.

Heh. Played my first game in probably two months and there's a dude on the other team that instalocked void, has some kind of Na'Vi name with colors, his text is orange, and he talks shit. ALL. GAME.

Never mind the fact that their Puck, Wisp, and Keeper were pretty much the only reason they won, and their Puck did so well because our QoP mid fed him four times in ten minutes due to 350ms ping.

I just don't get why someone's gonna act like a prick on freaking Christmas. Oh well. We had a fun kill on him where he tried to fountain dive us with aegis and I slapped him with a net then Doom and he died about half a second after aegis faded. That was pretty special.

---------- Post added 2012-12-25 at 09:24 AM ----------

Originally Posted by Lysah

I agree. Easy to push out of lane and easy to kill in the duration of a stun or silence. However, his ultimate and silence are great and his mobility allows him to chase people down, he's basically a QoP with an AoE stun and silence instead of her screams. Where he falls short is lane phase, Puck isn't very good for last hitting.

Yeah, the Puck we just played was a total baller at setting up huge Keeper waves. If you don't get out of his ulti, you're fucked. If you break his ulti, you're still fucked. It was pretty awesome.

I don't know if I'd pick Puck in general, but even if he's not the most uber hero he's probably one of the most fun.

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Man, two games in a row with complete shit players on one side or the other. Already I'm remembering why I stopped playing.

I also do landscaping on weekends with some mexican kid that I "hired". He's real good because he's 100% obedient to me and does everything I say while never complaining. He knows that I am the man in the relationship and is completely submissive towards me as he should be.

I don't know if I'd pick Puck in general, but even if he's not the most uber hero he's probably one of the most fun.

That is what is currently doing it for me. There is a lot of mindgaming to do when you play Puck, especially when you face off against midplayers who actually have some competence and will try to bait your phase-shifts and then follow up with the attack they really wanted to hit you with. Sometimes it's a challenge and great fun, other times you fight those midplayers who seem to have no concept of lane or rune-control and won't even have left the lane by the time I've gotten kills on both their sidelanes, which is boring.

Although I play in a 4-5 man stack whenever I play, which makes communicating initiations a lot easier, so I tend to Puck it up with them. Puck is a rare pick for me in solo-queue, I tend to random in that situation.

In regards to your earlier comment about Puck not being good for much else than being a pain in the ass, I will have to respectfully disagree. I won't claim that I play at any level of "high-skilled" play, but in my usual matchmaking games I have a decent impact on the game as Puck, even if I offlane her.

yeah, and that would require assload of people who will manually check it, and any kind of automotive systems isnt reliable at all.

No it wouldn't require a lot of people to manually check this. There could just be a treshhold of how many sentences or something like that. If they just add an option to the report system "Didn't communicate in English" or something like that, then it would be just like checking another report with foul language in it.

No it wouldn't require a lot of people to manually check this. There could just be a treshhold of how many sentences or something like that. If they just add an option to the report system "Didn't communicate in English" or something like that, then it would be just like checking another report with foul language in it.

Well, they'd have to make not communicating in English a bannable offense first. I personally do not communicate besides a "glhf" in the start, and perhaps a "gg wp". I am perfectly able, but choose not to. Should I also be banned from queueing? Is typing in cyrillic different from not communicating? Obviously it is, but does it impact your game differently? For better or for worse? Why?

Granted, I very seldom soloqueue. I utilize voice com, and usually find myself completely ignoring other random players when playing with a stack.

I guess we just have different viewpoints. Regardless, if you want to improve, your team mates shouldn't matter. Focus on your own gameplay, even if that loss was the fault of that russian guy who refused to listen to reason or speak to you in English. You are not trying to make him a better player after all, correct?

Is it just me, or is Phase Boots + Drums + Wand basically the best generic item build for support/utility heroes? Move speed, attack damage, attack speed, and a heap of stats for low cost. Just seems to work so damned well on any hero with a good attack animation like Shadow Demon or Dazzle.

I also do landscaping on weekends with some mexican kid that I "hired". He's real good because he's 100% obedient to me and does everything I say while never complaining. He knows that I am the man in the relationship and is completely submissive towards me as he should be.

Is it just me, or is Phase Boots + Drums + Wand basically the best generic item build for support/utility heroes? Move speed, attack damage, attack speed, and a heap of stats for low cost. Just seems to work so damned well on any hero with a good attack animation like Shadow Demon or Dazzle.

I'd consider those pretty much luxury items, but yeah they are pretty good. I'd rather take mana boots tho.

Phase boots, despite being amazing for support, can be not as effective as mana boots, it depends who and where you lane, VS who you lane, etc.

generic- sure, always the best - hardly. also drums is quite expensive(considering you go pb-wand-) and unless you have some carries that benefit from them it might be better to go in a different direction.

Phase boots, despite being amazing for support, can be not as effective as mana boots, it depends who and where you lane, VS who you lane, etc.

generic- sure, always the best - hardly. also drums is quite expensive(considering you go pb-wand-) and unless you have some carries that benefit from them it might be better to go in a different direction.

Yeah, it's the good thing about Dota... there's no one set item build and sometimes not even one set skill build. I just feel that for a lot of heroes like Windrunner, Shadow Demon, Dazzle, and even Thrall, you don't really need the mana regen from manaboots, while you really benefit from the damage and speed from phase since all of those heroes have really good attack animations. I actually tend to get something else other than wand... maybe it's just because I'm playing pubs/soloqueue, I just never seem to get enough use out of wand to really justify it, and the branches I start with turn into Meka as often as not, anyway.

I hope Dazzle sees more use in pro games. He's such a fun damned hero and I personally think he's a really underestimated solo mid.

I also do landscaping on weekends with some mexican kid that I "hired". He's real good because he's 100% obedient to me and does everything I say while never complaining. He knows that I am the man in the relationship and is completely submissive towards me as he should be.

Well, they'd have to make not communicating in English a bannable offense first. I personally do not communicate besides a "glhf" in the start, and perhaps a "gg wp". I am perfectly able, but choose not to. Should I also be banned from queueing? Is typing in cyrillic different from not communicating? Obviously it is, but does it impact your game differently? For better or for worse? Why?

Granted, I very seldom soloqueue. I utilize voice com, and usually find myself completely ignoring other random players when playing with a stack.

I guess we just have different viewpoints. Regardless, if you want to improve, your team mates shouldn't matter. Focus on your own gameplay, even if that loss was the fault of that russian guy who refused to listen to reason or speak to you in English. You are not trying to make him a better player after all, correct?

Playing with russians who neither can communicate, and has really bad decision making and people following the russian into fights and feeding constantly.(When they try to communicate with pinging the map..)

If i make a mistake, I know I did. But since this is a team game, where every effort matters from your team then you can't go about and solo in the game.

And as i said, typing in cyrillic text where you don't apologize for it or anything (Which they NEVER do), that should be bannable to be honest. As it's a teamgame where I, MYSELF, don't want to base EVERY game on luck whether they will follow my pings and understand my writing/what i say in com..