Of course we can agree to disagree here on the importance of bowl games.

But since you said to ask any Bama fan, I'll ask myself:

"Self, how do you feel about Alabama losing their last two games after a promising season where you were ranked #1 the whole way?"

"Well, self, losing the last regular season game to Auburn hurts a lot. It cost us a spot in the SEC championship game, and effectively ensured that we would not play for the BCS national championship. Losing the Sugar Bowl to Oklahoma doesn't hurt at all, comparatively. It doesn't feel good to have been outcoached by Bob Stoops. But it also does nothing to take away from our gargantuan success in recent years, or our best-in-the-nation recruiting class for next year."

Now imagine Bama just switched conferences and spent the last 24 months hearing that they made a huge mistake and would get piss-pounded by their new rivals. And that the loudest voices they heard it from were coming from the same conference that was on the other side of the field.

Are all bowl games equal? No, they are not.

This one, OTOH, was absolutely huge for Missouri. It was a final **** you to the Big 12. It was proof that they are a great football team. It was a bounce-back from a strong thumping from Auburn.

Missouri isn't Alabama. They don't get to say "oh well, we won the title in 2012". They are constantly teetering on the brink of a crisis of confidence and wins like this are what they need to move further and further away from that cliff.

Now imagine Bama just switched conferences and spent the last 24 months hearing that they made a huge mistake and would get piss-pounded by their new rivals. And that the loudest voices they heard it from were coming from the same conference that was on the other side of the field.

Are all bowl games equal? No, they are not.

This on, OTOH, was absolutely huge for Missouri. It was a final **** you to the Big 12. It was proof that they are a great football team. It was a bounce-back from a strong thumping from Auburn.

Missouri isn't Alabama. They don't get to say "oh well, we won the title in 2012". They are constantly teetering on the brink of a crisis of confidence and wins like this are what they need to move further and further away from that cliff.

Of course we can agree to disagree here on the importance of bowl games.

But since you said to ask any Bama fan, I'll ask myself:

"Self, how do you feel about Alabama losing their last two games after a promising season where you were ranked #1 the whole way?"

"Well, self, losing the last regular season game to Auburn hurts a lot. It cost us a spot in the SEC championship game, and effectively ensured that we would not play for the BCS national championship. Losing the Sugar Bowl to Oklahoma doesn't hurt at all, comparatively. It doesn't feel good to have been outcoached by Bob Stoops. But it also does nothing to take away from our gargantuan success in recent years, or our best-in-the-nation recruiting class for next year."

Reap.....you are one of the well-thought and reasonable Bama fans. And you know that I know you are a Bama fan. But I work with a couple of Bama alumni and let me tell you, they aren't anywhere close to your same mindset. They pretty much spent most of the next day acting like someone pissed in their corn flakes, stupped their wives and reminded them that Auburn was playing for the NC.

One went as far as to say that he wished that Saban had taken the Texas job because he might have become complacent.

While you may be reasonable, you know that you are probably in the minority in that thinking.

Oh, that's good. Unfortunately, there are plenty of hack sportswriters who believe in that sort of thing about team momentum, even though it'll be a new team.

I'm not convinced that the outcome of a bowl game matters much in recruiting. Maybe embarrassing blowout losses could hurt, but regular ol' losses aren't that different from a regular ol' bowl win as far as recruiting goes. Just my opinion. The exposure that comes from the bowl game is good enough.

That depends on the program too, I suppose. A program that is seen as up and coming could benefit from bowl victories. Miami fans, for example, might need to be worried about UCF now.

But overall, my position on bowl games is unwavering: you definitely want to play in them, for the exposure and the extra weeks of practice. But for established programs the actual outcome of the game doesn't matter, or at least matters far less than any regular season game.

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Now imagine Bama just switched conferences and spent the last 24 months hearing that they made a huge mistake and would get piss-pounded by their new rivals. And that the loudest voices they heard it from were coming from the same conference that was on the other side of the field.

Are all bowl games equal? No, they are not.

This one, OTOH, was absolutely huge for Missouri. It was a final **** you to the Big 12. It was proof that they are a great football team. It was a bounce-back from a strong thumping from Auburn.

Missouri isn't Alabama. They don't get to say "oh well, we won the title in 2012". They are constantly teetering on the brink of a crisis of confidence and wins like this are what they need to move further and further away from that cliff.

This was a massive win for the program, IMO.

Eh, I can buy that with the caveat that all we're talking about it perception. Because it crumbles under close scrutiny; Missouri nearly lost this game, and the reason why it almost lost (Pinkel's stubbornness) isn't going away. Perception may have changed because of this win, but the program itself really doesn't change.

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Reap.....you are one of the well-thought and reasonable Bama fans. And you know that I know you are a Bama fan. But I work with a couple of Bama alumni and let me tell you, they aren't anywhere close to your same mindset. They pretty much spent most of the next day acting like someone pissed in their corn flakes, stupped their wives and reminded them that Auburn was playing for the NC.

One went as far as to say that he wished that Saban had taken the Texas job because he might have become complacent.

While you may be reasonable, you know that you are probably in the minority in that thinking.

Well, Alabama has one of the worst fanbases in all of sports. None of that surprises me. Yeah, I'm well aware that I'm in the minority as far as Bama fans go. There are plenty of reasonable, analytical Alabama fans. There are, unfortunately, many many more country bumpkins and frat douches, none of whom understand football, that make up that fanbase.

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Eh, I can buy that with the caveat that all we're talking about it perception. Because it crumbles under close scrutiny; Missouri nearly lost this game, and the reason why it almost lost (Pinkel's stubbornness) isn't going away. Perception may have changed because of this win, but the program itself really doesn't change.

In a sport where the whims of 18 yr old kids ultimately play a huge role in your ultimate success or failure, I'd say perception means a pretty fair amount.

You noted that bowl outcomes aren't huge for 'established' programs - well you don't become an established program without them. Mizzou's not there yet, but they're getting closer. This will help in that regard.

Look....I like Franklin, but let's be real. Franklin played horribly all night. This game shouldn't have been this close and the mental errors he made are more ones that you see First Year QB's make.

You have to admit that the defense and Henry Josey bailed out Franklin tonight. I will give Franklin his due on the pass to DGB but you have to admit he played horribly and single-handedly almost cost us a great season.

Oh, absolutely, he played poorly overall. I was simply responding to the idea of his final impression, which should be fairly good.

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Oh, that's good. Unfortunately, there are plenty of hack sportswriters who believe in that sort of thing about team momentum, even though it'll be a new team.

I'm not convinced that the outcome of a bowl game matters much in recruiting. Maybe embarrassing blowout losses could hurt, but regular ol' losses aren't that different from a regular ol' bowl win as far as recruiting goes. Just my opinion. The exposure that comes from the bowl game is good enough.

That depends on the program too, I suppose. A program that is seen as up and coming could benefit from bowl victories. Miami fans, for example, might need to be worried about UCF now.

But overall, my position on bowl games is unwavering: you definitely want to play in them, for the exposure and the extra weeks of practice. But for established programs the actual outcome of the game doesn't matter, or at least matters far less than any regular season game.

You're talking about Mizzou, but you're doing it from a crimson paradigm. If ever there is a school/program that needs a reason to puff out our chests, it's this one. What's more is that this win validates our season. It answered a lot of questions.

Now imagine Bama just switched conferences and spent the last 24 months hearing that they made a huge mistake and would get piss-pounded by their new rivals. And that the loudest voices they heard it from were coming from the same conference that was on the other side of the field.

Are all bowl games equal? No, they are not.

This one, OTOH, was absolutely huge for Missouri. It was a final **** you to the Big 12. It was proof that they are a great football team. It was a bounce-back from a strong thumping from Auburn.

Missouri isn't Alabama. They don't get to say "oh well, we won the title in 2012". They are constantly teetering on the brink of a crisis of confidence and wins like this are what they need to move further and further away from that cliff.

This was a massive win for the program, IMO.

Awesome. You just won the intranets.

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First off, congrats from a Jayhawk fan. Big win for your program. Have to admit, I was pulling for OKState, mostly because I'm a KU fan, and secondly because I live in SEC country and I get sick of the LSU SEC hacks that pull for their "rival" when they aren't playing them. Now, one question. When will Green-Beckham declare for the draft? I would love to see him in a Chiefs jersey, although I don't see it happening.

You're talking about Mizzou, but you're doing it from a crimson paradigm. If ever there is a school/program that needs a reason to puff out our chests, it's this one. What's more is that this win validates our season. It answered a lot of questions.

To me, I'm just doing it from the paradigm of a lifelong Mizzou fan who has always felt that bowl games are a frilly extra thing. I've never understood, and will never understand, why we collectively place so much importance in them. They only matter because we pretend they do.

So for a Missouri fan such as myself, with that mental approach to bowl games, I thought our season was validated by winning the SEC East and making it to the conference championship game. That game (and its sad, sad outcome) will always matter to me more than all of the bowls combined. I don't feel very puffy right now. I gots puffed for winning the East, though. And I wouldn't have felt very downtrodden tonight if Mizzou had lost to OSU.

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