This faction's mount is the only epic mount (100% riding speed) attainable in the game which only requires 75 riding skill. They Grow Up So Fast, can be obtained at level 50. The faction used to be noted for having no Horde counterpart, as well as having the longest and most repetitive reputation grind of the entire game. However, things have drastically changed in 4.1.

In Wrath, a Horde equivalent was added: Whistle of the Venomhide Ravasaur. Obtaining this mount required players to do a certain number of quests each day, instead of a painful reputation grind. In 4.1, the Alliance equivalent was changed to match this easier model.

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Comment by Ygraine

Actually you have to be exalted with Wintersaber Trainers to be able to purchase the purple mount.

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The first quest is Frostsaber Provisions. You will have to complete 30 (or 28 if human), which will get you to mid neutral, in order to pick up the second quest. This involves killing giants and chimaeras to get meat from them. The drop rate is very low and most say this quest is what makes or breaks your rep grind.

You'll pick up Winterfall Intrusion when you hit mid neutral. This is where the majority of your grinding will take place. It involves killing 5 Winterfall Shamans and 5 Winterfall Ursas. They are easy to kill as long as there aren't too many farmers.

Once you hit honored you can pick up the third quest Rampaging Giants which involves killing 4 Frostmaul Giants and 4 Frostmaul Preservers. This quest is elite and does NOT give any more rep than the previous two.

Each quest turn in will give you 50 (55 if human) points of reputation. The total grind is 840 quests (764 if human.) Once you hit exalted the quest NPC will have an option to purchase from him, he only sells one item, the mount. The old price was 900g and I 'believe' the new price is 75g. It DOES NOT require 150 riding skill at the moment, only 75 riding skill.

Comment by Wallace

Glad to hear that they nerfed the price, I got exalted with these guys not even meaning to, while I was grinding for cash. Good use of time because the guys you kill often drop JuJu's and such which are helpful anywhere.

Comment by gin00

I'm actually doing those quests in my free times, mostly during weekends. I started this when I saw one, I searched on thottbot.com for more informations, and I wanted to try.

It's a very long grinding, takes a lot of patience. Some thinks that it's boring, long and a waste of time. Yes it is, but I'll get it. Some ask me why I'm not trying to get a better guild and do more raids. I'm answering them that I'll do the same thing if I had full plagueheart. chill in ironforge.

If you are planning on getting it, get all mount speed boost available, it helps. I'm doing second and third quest. Giants are far away but they drops often Greater Frost Protection Potion which sells for 50 golds and more. I haven't got any epic, but I got around 10 rare items and over 100 green items.

Having this mount will make you unique, like if you had baron mount, ZG mounts or Black qiraji bug.

Comment by Spyx

This is a VERY long grind. It's an amazing mount though, and even with TBC comming out soon, you'd probably be the only one on your server to even have one of these. You get a new quest as each upgrade in reputation. Neutral > Friendly > Honored > Revered > Exalted.As it says, he will only sell to the most EXALTED buyer.You get 3 quests from this.I've heard repeating the first 2 quests is the way to go, since the giants are so far away.

Comment by sanguinius

So how many hours does this actually take for the grind to be completed? at 15min per quest ot would take 140hrs to complete 560 times :S surely the winterfall quest doesnt take quite as long?

Comment by DikkeDamage

I am currently doing this rep grind for a friend together with someone else. I just grinded for over 6 hours there and it is a hard and long way indeed. My advice is to group with low lvl alliance present who need the mobs for quests so you will also get their kills. You can even help horde with their mobs just to get them out of there asap. You can also gank them but their main will probably come to set things straight.

I've been in group with approx. 8 alliance players helping them with their quests and killing the elite one and it worked like a charm. It took me about 8 mins to complete a quest which is pretty doable.

Comment by Jomper

This has all the FAQs and any general questions alliance and horde have regarding how to obtain the , sold by Rivern Frostwind in Winterspring. This FAQ was written fairly quick so please comment on anything that should be added.

---ALLIANCE FAQs:-------------------------------------------------Q #1. Where is Rivern Frostwind?A #1. He is at the tip of frostsaber rock in north-west Winterspring.

Q #2. How do I buy a Wintersaber Frostsaber mount from him?A #2. You MUST grind 42,000 reputation points with the Wintersaber Trainers riding back and forth across Winterspring at 75 rep per quest (82 rep if playing as a human) turn in and reach exalted by doing 3 quests he gives you. This is the ONLY way to get the mount.

Q #3. What level do I have to be to get the quests to begin grinding?A #3. You must be at least level 58 to begin his quests.

Q #4. I just found him, but he only has 1 quest, where are the other 2 quests?A #4. When you first meet him he only has 1 quest for you to do untill you gain 1,500 rep where you will get the 2nd quest to do untill you are honored where you get the 3rd and final quest.

Q #5. How much reputation do I get if I am a human?A #5. As a human you will get 82 rep each quest turn in.

Q #6. As a human, how many quests will I have to complete to become exalted with the winterspring trainers?A #6. As a human you will have to complete 513 quests.

Q #7. How much reputation do I get if I am a non-human?A #7. As a non-human you will get 75 rep each quest turn in.

Q #8. How many quests will I have to complete to become exalted with the winterspring trainers as a non-human?A #8. As a non-human you will have to complete 560 quests.

Q #9. Witch of the 3 quests is the fastest?A #9. The fastest quest to complete is "Winterfall Intrusion" which requires you to kill 10 level 57-59 winterfall furblogs. Average completion time of this quest in 10 minutes.

Q #10. How much is the Winterspring Frostsaber mount when I am exalted?A #10. The mount costs 90g to purchase.

Q #12. The mount says it requires 75 riding skill, do I have do buy epic mount training (150) to ride this epic mount?A #12. No, this is the only epic mount in the game that requires 75 riding skill, but you will need 150 riding skill to learn training for flying mounts.

Q #13. Why don't more people have the winterspring frostsaber if they don't have to buy epic training to ride this epic mount?A #13. Two reasons really, this grind is THE most intense and longest reputation grind in the entire game, period. Second, you can easily make 650g for epic mount training and 90g for epic mount by questing and auctioning/vedoring items LONG before you ever finish the grind. By the end of the grind you should make over 2,000g and have about 15 or 16 blue items and maybe even 1 or 2 epics.

---HORDE FAQs:-------------------------------------------------Q #1. Where is Rivern Frostwind?A #1. He is at the tip of frostsaber rock in north-west Winterspring.

Q #2. (As blood elf) When I talk to him he says I am now neutral with the wintersaber trainers, how do I begin the quests to raise my reputation?A #2. You can not obtain any quests to raise your reputation with the wintersaber trainers as the quests and winterspring frostsaber mount are obtainable being alliance ONLY.

Q #4. Do horde have a version of this mount grind?A #4. No, there is no horde version of the wintersaber trainers, however there were Ravasour Trainers in Un'goro Crater at one time but were removed from the game. No word if they will ever be implemented into the game again.

Comment by Tiran

While still not an easy grind, this will make it a lot easier for those trying to get this lovely mount.

Comment by Hanos

Just checked on the 2.3 PTR (Test Realm not Live) and Winterfall Intrusion is giving 250 Rep at lv 70. While I am tempted to hold off on finishing the grind, something tells me there will be far more people out there post 2.3

Comment by Zelath

I worked on this for two days this week, and I am currently taking a break. I am currently 5100 into honored, which is still only 32.98% until Exalted. I am a level 62 Draenei mage, and I do not want to buy a level 60 Elekk, so I decided to do the rep grind. Since I can't use a riding crop yet, I spend more time going back and forth between turn ins than I spend killing the Winterfall mobs. Also, since I am frost spec I am unable to do the Rampaging Giants quest due to their immunity to frost spells (that, and they hit me 400 a hit and I have no way of keeping them back).

Even with the 250 rep per turn in, it still takes forever. You should only do this rep grind if you really (really) want this mount.

Comment by Eternitium

Level 59 BM hunter: 10-12mins per turn in of only doing Winterfall intrusion (that's included the run back and forth) and at 250rep per run its a very fast grind. i would no longer put it in the insane section of grinds. and they drop nice items on the side that very often can be disenchanted into Greater Eternal Essence which sells for 10G on Doomhammer :) not a bad grind at all. and the mount is awsum :) have fun all

Edit: Currently level 62 with the mount. at level 60 i got the mount and i did both the furbolg and giant part, which made the grind way faster. Even tho i stated that this grind no longer is "insane" its not easy either. its booring like nothing else in i've tried in this game, but the reward in the end is worth it. Getting exalted with these guys isn't something you just become by accident, and i wouldn't recommend anyone doing this unless they REALLY want that mount :) happy hunting.

Comment by Cinesias

As a frost mage...do all 3 of the quests once all 3 are available.

The first quest that you get http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=4970 is easy if you are a frost mage. Just find a highly-populated area with the bears and chimeras, and kill about 15 or so of them at a time. Ice Barrier, ice lance, and level 1 arcane explosion to keep aggro. While the shardtooth and chillwind meat is a low drop rate, it takes me about 10 minutes to get this quest done.

Afterwards, do the quest to kill the Furbolgs http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=5201. If there are people farming them, invite them to a group, and be their best friend when you can kill the whole town yourself. If you are by yourself, make sure to kill only 5 shamans and leave any other shamans, since shamans are the rarer of the spawns. ALWAYS kill the Ursas. I subscribed to the strat, and at times, there would be 10+ shamans in the little town at a time. Made completing the quest much faster by leaving extra shamans for the next run, since there are almost always a ton of Ursas.

If there are not enough shamans, ursas, or too many people are farming those mobs, kill what you can, and then make a bee-line to the Frostmaul giants for http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=5981. Likely you won't encounter too much trouble with other people farming them. But, always make sure that you clear through the whole ravine. If not, you may end up with a ravine filled with only 1 type of frostmaul mob, whereas you need to kill 2 different types. After you complete this quest, if you need to, head back to the town and kill the remaining urasa/shamans. Turn in all 3 quests and repeat.

This rep, as a frost mage, is actually not too bad. I recieved 2 BoE epics, and it took me maybe 20 hours of playtime. If you aren't a mage, you shouldn't attempt to do http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=4970 every rep cycle, as it may take a long time to do. But, I would ALWAYS have the quest in your quest log, and maybe kill a couple on your way to do the other 2 quests as it will give you "extra" rep when you do complete it.

Hope this helps someone :)

Comment by J5ODK

Not very clearly about "Where" he is in Winterspring :S

Comment by FinnrSlayer

This rep is only for alliance,Thus Horde cant get mount

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Comment by mudbud93

I did this at lvl 58 (started) and was hoping to end at lvl 58 as well or at least 59 so i can use it in bg's. but there was so much fighting i was 60 when i was done! But it wasnt as bad as people make it sound. ya its long but i mean its good in many ways. Also if you are a leatherworker it is an excelent way to get the leather (with skinning).

Comment by moenbase

Just finished the Exalted status with this faction. Before I started the whole thing I read most things that has been said here. And it kinda made me hessitate wether I should actually do it or not.Being level 70 protection specced and protection gear it took me some time to kill the mobs. But really this faction is much easier then I thought it would be. I'm doing it now with my Protection specced Paladin as well.

Some advice on the furbolgs part is, take the shaman first. There are usually less of them. For the Shaman there's only one guarenteed spawn, that's the one in the cave with that Chief dude inside.Ursas can also be found on the hillside to the south. Usually about 4 that can be pulled together easily.

Miners can make very good money here. Thorium, which most of them are rich veins inside the village will spawn quite often and on fixxed locations. Stacks of Runecloth can also be gathered here.The Giants dropped enchanting recipes for me, as well as lots of Frost Protection Potion recipes. By lots I mean about 20 in the whole grinding part. And they still sell for about 10g on my server.

Another thing worth noticing:If you complete the questchain Luck Be With You http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=969, you'll be given an item which you need to keep in the inventory. That way you can loot quest items that you can turn in for great buffs.

Comment by sambro71

I'm not sure when they changed the rep, but i am getting 275 for the provisions and winterfall quest, and 385 for the giants quest,as of 8/13/08. My character is a human, so it is probably less for non-human types. The grind is long and at my level (68) the xp is low, which is ok cuz i'm in no big hurry to get to 70. I am revered now, and skip the provisions quest. The winterfall quest is good because I need the rep with the timbermaw as I was hostile with them, and the giants quest is good because they can drop some nice greens, blues, and recipes and plans. I even picked up an epic item! If you are a skinner, i suggest doing the provisions quest, because everyting is skinnable and you get thick, rugged, and chimera leather, and if you are lucky, warbear leather. I have an epic mount, but really want a cat, so this seemed interesting, if not long, and there are some other things in the area that are neat, like the princess at the lake who drops real nice blue items, but bring a healer or a hunter cuz she is toug a lvl 60 elite with 4 body guards and she is immune to stun and frost spells, and bring frost protection, you'll need it. Supposedly there is a ? dragon in the area, but I have yet to see him, and Spellmaw a lvl 59 elite dragon can be found at Mazthoril, which is also a good place to farm blue dragonscales, but the cobalt whelps will mob you, so watch out! I hope you all find this informative enough and good luck getting exalted!

Comment by Seafog

Having completed this grind now, I see a few missing details on the spawn points. Here is how the spawns really work so you can maximise shaman spawns. Basically, if it CAN spawn as a shaman, but it hasn't, kill it. There are plenty of guaranteed ursa up top. Waiting for shaman repops is very boring, you WILL have to wait fairly regularly if you don't do this and 'thinning' the herd is easy at 70.

Outside the wall: All den watchers except one. The exception can spawn as a shaman or a den watcher. This is the only one that roams and it will path across the road. Learn to recognize its path and kill it if appropriate.

Lower level: The ones around the huts can spawn as den watchers or shamans. So kill any den watchers that spawn here. There are a few well away from the huts, they only spawn as den watchers so you can ignore them.

Middle level: There are 7 spawn points here. They are either shaman or ursa, so kill any ursa that pop.

Cave: The chief and a shaman spawn here, and occasionally a rare spawn furbolg. Never anything else.

Hilltop level: These are always ursa except for one. The exception is either a den watcher or a shaman. The exception is also the only roamer up here and is generally easy to spot. Kill it if appropriate.

Comment by AzurePai

Well, you can always come back later and grind yourself to exalted. I can think of a number of reasons to do it:

Comment by razisgosu

does this count for the achievement gaining exalted factions? it isn't listed as such here on wowhead and i know another faction - alliance vanguard does not count.

Comment by mariusea

Getting exalted with Wintersaber trainers doesn't take that much time. Note that doing all 3 quests on each loop is smart - don't just do one or two of them.

Expect 20 minutes on each loop. In total, getting from neutal to exalted is about 13 hours.

Comment by wowchicak

I just started grinding rep for these guys the other day; here are a few things I found helpful:Problems with the Winterfall Intrusion quest: For the quest you are killing Ursas and Shamans. In the whole village, there are only a few of each of the mobs you need to kill, they are slow to respawn, you may run into lowbies trying to kill them for quest there, or you may often run into other 80s grinding for Timbermaw rep. Also, I had a lot of bad luck with Ursas simply not spawning at all. What I ended up doing was just skipping the Winterfall Intrusion most of the time and doing the meat turn ins over and over until I hit honored. The mobs are so much closer to the quest giver (if you head due east of the quest giver, right across the road) and they are all over the place, so I didn't once run into competition for kills. Once you hit honored, you will get the quest Rampaging Giants. This is worth doing imo, for 350 rep, even if it is a bit far out of the way. I started making a loop where I would check the Winterfall Village and kill whatever mobs were up, on my way back north for the turn in and to finish the meat quest. The village really isn't that much of a detour if you're doing the giants quest. This meant I was only completing the Winterfall Intrusion about every other turn in, but it keeps you from having too much down time waiting for those kills. If you are farming for Timbermaw rep at the same time, I would still say your best bet is to skip Winterfall Intrusion while grinding to honored with Wintersabers. As someone who already has the diplomat title, I found this is a pretty lousy place to farm rep anyway because of reasons already listed: it's a small camp with slow respawn rates and nearly always someone there (at least on my server. its 2 am and some 58 hunter out here lvling lol). In theory it might seem faster to do the two at once, but I'm not so sure it actually is. :P

Oh and keep in mind that the idea is to maximize your rep and minimize time spent. So if you think one of the other quests is slowing you down then by all means, skip that one instead. That's the beauty of having more than one quest!

Comment by Mondnacht

The problem with "Rampaging Giants" and "Winterfall Intrusion" is that it takes quite a bit of time to travel there, and if you're unlucky, you will have to spend yet more time on finding enough mobs. "Winterfall Intrusion" can be done quickly if Winterfall Village isn't camped - if it is, you won't find enough shamans. Unfortunately, it usually is camped on my server. It's not quite as bad with "Rampaging Giants", but you may not be able to find enough Giants there either (the Preservers seem to be more plentiful). So I'm starting to wonder if it wouldn't be fastest - if mind-numingly boring - to just do the Provisions quest over and over again. It's the only one really close to the quest giver, too, and traveling all over Winterspring is quite a pain as well cause you can't cross the zone as the crow flies, thanks to mountains blocking your way all the time.

Comment by KharakDhul

They forgot to list Chai Fairwind as a member. Though I'm not sure what her function is other than an added NPC from Blizzard. She stands outside the shack where Umbrance the Spiritspeaker is. He is the ender for http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=3512. I posted a screenshot of Chai Fairwind.

Comment by Ymiron

Its a total cool Faction that when you get Exalt available you to buy this mount, Im doing it self right now but there is long way again, 250 rep pr quest and im only friendly right now :P Good Luck guys :) You need it

Comment by Bladeriderv9

New from the patch 3.2 test realm patch notes:

"The ravasaur trainer Mor'vek has returned to Un'Goro and will offer to help Horde players raise and train a Venomhide Ravasaur as a mount... if they can survive the creature's deadly poison."

It looks like the horde get one after all!

Comment by burns91

"The first quest can be attained at level 58, while the other two are attainable at level 60."

This is not accurate, I am lvl 58 and just picked up the 2nd quest (Winterfall Intrusion) after hitting 1500 neutral.

Comment by Effectrix

The Horde Version of this faction is the Un'goro Raptor vendor, who got removed ages ago. However, he is being added in patch 3.2.0. again (hopefully with reputation quests this time).

Comment by Ronald

I grinded this rep recently, it took 3 solid nights of nonstop questing as a non human.

Comment by jadrianz

Just started grinding rep tonight doing the Frostsaber provisions quest as a human pally. Each turn in was giving 275 rep. After 1650/3000 neutral I was given the 2nd quest Intrusions and both quests were giving 275 rep each.

Comment by burns91

Finally got my Winterspring mount! It took me about a month of playing almost every day for a couple hours. I averaged about 2-3 turn-ins per night.

Total: 152 quests, and ~1440 mobs killed

I did the full 3 quest loop for each turn in. I'm a skinner, so I was able to get a ton of rugged and thick leather to sell in the AH from the meat quest. The Winterfall beads are good for the Timbermaw rep, and the giants were good XP for me. I started at lvl 58 and by the time I was done, I was 63 - and that's not even being rested the whole time!f

The meat quest was close to turn in, but a pain due to low meat drop rates - so definitely if you are partying up with someone, make sure you disband before doing the meat.

The Winterfall one was the fastest if no one else has already killed everything before you get there. But thankfully the respawn rates are pretty good. There are more ursas than shamans, but usually there is one or two shamans down in the village, some up at the individual camps, and usually always one in the cave. Sometimes there is one wandering around outside the main entrance, and sometimes on top of the hill with the ursas. The ursas are easy as there are so many on the hill.

The giant one was easier with help since they are elite. Usually you can get them all down in the gorge, but sometimes there were no preservers, or no giants left, so you can find 4 more on top at the rim, both on the east and west sides of the road.

It's a long grind but the mount is worth it! =) Good luck!

Comment by Aim04

I must admit, I dont really think this grind is that long anymore.

Ive done the thinking:

You will proberly start out at 0/3000 neutral and therefor you have 42000 rep points to grind. Each quest turn in gives 250 rep (275 for humans). So its 168 times you have to turn a quest in. (153 for humans)

When i do a circle of both q'es, it takes me betwen 10 and 15 mins. I take the road to the village and kill everything there, for the beats for timbermaw. Then on the way back in the terrain, I do the second quest. When theres respawn wait time in the village it takes around 15 min.

So if the player was really dedicated it could be done in just like 24 hours. Leaving 3 hours to eat, bio breaks and crying over not having a life.

The other thing to consider is all the timbermaw hold rep you will be getting as a side bonus. If you did the Winterfall Activity, you can collect beads from the mobs in the village. On top of that, when killing everything like me, is that every mob killed gives 20 repEvery circle i killed around 23 mobs to 20 rep a piece and the chief thing to 40 rep. Thats around 500 rep with timbermaw for non humans, not including the beads you will be turning in betwen revered and exalted.

I started the grind today and went from neutral to honored without being clued to my monitor all day. Besides that, i got 110 beads, alot of vendor trash, around 20 greens and 1 epic.

So all in all, theres nothing insane about this anymore. Go do it, its worth it. Achievement from Timbermaw and mount from Wintersaber Trainers

Comment by Spl4sh3r

Kinda cheating that horde version is ALOT easier than Alliance version to farm.

Comment by MilknessDalvengy

There IS a Horde-only version of this. Mor'vek, in Southern Un'Goro crater gives the first quest. The farming consists of no actual farming; just 2 simple quests, then another quest which involves doing 20 dailies, 1 per day, 20 Runecloth, 20 Rugged Leather and 80 gold. The Horde version is a black raptor, not unlike the PvP mount, but unarmored. The first quest is to build up an immunity to their poisonious skin; you must find Venomhide Raptors, which can be difficult because they're rareish and many people farm them now that this mount has come out. I suggest a macro, /target venomhide, but if it's crowded, you'll probably only get dead ones. Luckily, if you're alone, it's very simple. You must fight Venomhides and get splashed with their poison. Players might remember this; if you get splashed, you get a buff on your weapon. However, the buff doesn't hurt the venomhides... What you should do, especially at 80, is to go barefisted and naked. You can still get splashed, but they won't die as quickly. This is the only difficult part. Should only take 6 or 7 raptors. The 2nd part involves you finding white raptor eggs. They're surronded by pink eggs, and they're easy to collect. You only need 4 and very easy to find. Again, if other people are there, it can be time-consuming, but it's quick so competition will leave. The last part gives you a pet; you summon the pet who gives you dailies. The dailies are numerous and random, so only 1 per day. You must kill certain creatures or find certain food stuffs to feed to your pet, then you get a tooth. After twenty teeth, your pet is "mature" enough to ride. This involves going to Un'Goro, Tanaris and Silithus. Very easy if you stick to it, may only have to come on for ~20 minutes a day. Then you hand in your teeth, gold, leather and cloth, and you have your mount. Congradulations! This is much more difficult for Alliance. Finally some Horde leniacy... Thanks Blizz! =D

Comment by hheebo

I don't know if this is of any use today because I grinded the rep over a year ago during TBC, but I'll share my experience anyway if you wish to know how I did it:

First, you must of course do the horrible meat quest. Once you get the furbolg quest, don't bother with the meat quest anymore. Do the furbolg quest over and over again. Once you get the giant quest, stuff gets more interesting.. Usually, when there was someone else in the Furbolg village, I ask them to group with me, and it usually works and we both leave happy. Sometimes all mobs in the village have been killed and/or the person responsible for the genocide refuses to team up. In that case, I go do the giant quest and on the way back I check the village if it's clear. If it its, I do the furbolg quest too. If not, I just usually go back to the night elf and repeat the process. Most of the problems during the grind come from other people in the village, in my opinion.

Also if I remember correctly, Ursa are the annoying furbolgs to find and they are mostly on the ridge near the village. If everyone is already dead, patrol the village for respawns. Yeah and shamans are caster mobs so they can be difficult to pull.

Comment by candeethug

It's definitely a good idea to set your hearth to Everlook. It saves a couple of minutes every other time you do a round of the quests. Especially if you have one of the kirin tor rings that have a free port to Dal, setting your hearth here won't hurt you hardly at all for doing other things in game.

Comment by Ultimaz

I know most people only do this grind for the mount, but for those of us that like to do things perfect...Is it possible to grind this reputation to 999/1000 exalted?

Comment by leopardd

Goblin engineers can use a Dimensional Ripper - Everlook to reduce travel time for grinding this reputation. The schematic can be learned from Zap Farfling in Everlook.

Comment by isendims

Farming took 2 days

Comment by iluvmonkeys

ok well... i went to this guy to get the quests for rep and... he has none for me. Do i need to do other quests anywhere else to get them? I cant see anyone else having problems :-\\ don't suppose xfering from Horde matters?

Comment by Arceus

DO NOT KILL Rivern Frostwind! You lose 250 rep if you do. If you're at 0/3000 neutral and you kill him, you can't get quests from him and basically screw yourself over if you wanted to get the mount. Kill his pet as much as you want though, no rep loss there.

Comment by Lildickscot

My 2 cents. For the sake of time managment i recommend making your home in everlook, not just for getting to wintersping when you feel like rep grinding, but work it into your 3 quest rotation. A) turn in/get quests B) Kill dragons and bears as you work your way to village C) Full clear of village. As stated above, even a full clear will leave you short 2 ursas (usually) dont hang around and wait for re-spawns. just procede south D) Kill giants E) hearth to everlook F) Full clear of village again. This should finish out the quest and provide you with more beads for the timbermaw rep G) Return to Quest-giver

RINSE / REPEAT TIL EXALTED GOOD LUCK

Comment by luckytanx

this tip might be obvious but i didn't see it posted so i'll go ahead and throw it out there...

if too many other people are farming these quests -- a.k.a. more than just yourself ;)

it was faster for me to just keep repeating the first quest of getting 5 of each meats than to stand around hoping for that last shaman to respawn.

type /timer and an in game stop watch appears so time your full route as well as just repeating the first quest the same number of times. you may be surprised which is faster rep gain.

Comment by Paybays

I've been doing Friendly > Honored today in a couple of hours.

Doing the 2nd and the 3rd quest at night awards 600 rep ( 660 as human ) and is way easier then counting on RNG.

I rather do the 2 " kill this amount of " quests then " gather this amount of mats " which includes RNG. On my realm there are not many people who are in Winterspring, and I like to go around raiding times. Specially on a wednesday.

There are enough Shamans / Ursa's around the outer part of the camp, close to the path leading up to the Chief.There are also 6-7 Ursa's on the hill to the south of the village. I mostly enter up from this side, kill 4-5 Ursa's and advance into the outer part of the village.

As long as there are no other people around, going to the Ursa's first, and then the giants, is the perfect route. If you want to do it fast, and not want to slay endless bears and chimaera's, avoid random RNG and go for the kill quests.

Atm at 1010/12000 and i'm looking at 58 more 2-quests runs, and 35 3-quests runs. It all depends on if i'm in the mood to do the killing quests or not.

Comment by Hatschi

Comment by alexiel

After I faction changed from Alliance-->Horde-->Alliance I had realized I lost my reputation with the Wintersaber Trainers! Immediately I ticketed a GM about it and they told me they could not restore my reputation. Since I knew I had to grind it all over again, I headed back to the NPC Rivern Frostwind who granted all my reputation back!

So those of you faction-changing, have no fear, all you have to do is talk to the Witnersaber Trainers NPC to get your reputation back!

Comment by Grognok

This is just the venomhide ravasur quest but ONLY for alliance the venomhide mount should only be for horde since the alliance get the winterspring frostsabers.

Comment by Eilonthay

NOTE: Jump to the last edit for the hugely positive 4.1 change to the rep grind, since everything else is just a trip down memory lane regarding how LONG the grind used to be.

Just want to add this:

If the travel time doesn't bother you, or if it does, but you just want this grind over with so you can get the mount and move on, then you'll likely want to do allthreequests, as annoying and time consuming as it may be. And it will be.

Here's how many quests you'd need to get done to be full 999 Exalted (that's 42,999 rep) if you're a non-human (if you're a human, than obviously it's going to be less, lucky you):

(Circuits being round trips around the map from start to finish, doing one of each quest every time. Setting your hearthstone to Everlook would probably be a good idea.)

Total quests: 156

Setting aside 20-30 minutes for each circuit, plus those first 6 quests, it would take approximately 20-30.5 hours to finish. But even that's a rough guess because it depends largely on your personal drop rate for the Provisions quest (and we all know how variable that can be) and whether or not you're having to compete with other people for the Winterfall furbolg. I almost never see anyone killing giants on my server, Gilneas, except when they're doing it for the E'ko quest. Hopefully, they won't get rid of this faction come Cataclysm, because I imagine that having flying mounts in Azeroth would make it a ridiculously shorter grind, so there's always the possibility. My fingers are crossed that they will leave it alone, but I'll still be working on it now.

Good luck! Be glad these aren't dailies. Imagine if they were. /shudder

EDITS: Fixed some horrible, horrible adding problems. Blech.

EDIT: Well, Cataclysm/4.0 hit, so now we have Old World flying and they didn't take away the faction like a lot of people thought they might....which means that the time estimates for grinding out this faction bottomed out to what, 3 or 4 hours? Maybe 6?.

EDIT: Hah! They turned it into a daily, but thankfully they didn't make it all that painful. They really could have. As of 4.1, it only takes 20 days to complete--along with a whisker from your cub, you can net a healthy amount of guild XP (along with some XP for yourself if you're still leveling), a large side of rep, and a few gold for your trouble (if you're 85). It's a good one to work into your schedule while you're kicking around Mt. Hyjal for quests, though you'll probably be done with the zone and well into the Fireland dailies by the time you actually get the mount. I'm glad they went the route of the Horde Venomhide mount because that one looked like so much fun--I've done it on two toons so far, with a third in progress, and I really enjoyed it. Kudos to Blizzard! (for once, they did something right). The further along you get, the bigger your cub grows every time you summon it. It seemed to go through about three different size changes.

Comment by Treluna

Druids attempting this grind:

USE YOUR TELEPORT

I started this grind the other day and the long run between Rivern and the giants was so boring I wanted to shoot myself.

I got the quests from Rivern and immediately head south. I'd kill all my beasts nd collect all my meat on the way to the Furbolgs. Then I'd kill all my furbolgs and head south to the Giants. Then it was a LOOOOONG run north to Rivern that took about 6-8 boring minutes. Maybe not the best way, but from what I've seen, it's the way most on my server were taking.

Eventually my bags were so full of runecloth, beads, firewater, random greens and mass amounts of Icecap that I had to find a mailbox.

Being an alchemist, I couldn't make one like and engineer could, and being a Bloosail Buccaneer, I couldn't stop by Everlook. The next closest place was Moonglade.

I used the teleport and sold my junk items and mailed off everything else. Then I ran a little south and talked to Sindrayl (flight master in south Moonglade) and flew to Everlook.

The Everlook flight master is NOT in the town, so even those hated with Everlook can fly there safely.

The flight to Everlook drops you RIGHT beside the furbolg camp! I timed my run to Rivern from both the furbolg camp and the giants camp to see if teleporting would be a better use of time.

The flight from Moonglade to Everlook is only 1:51 and it only takes 1-2 minutes (depending on route, my route of jumping off cliffs only takes me 52seconds) to run from the spot I'm teleported to Sindrayl. Not to mention the fact that the 6 or so silver it costs to fly is made up with one or two Furbolg kills. (Which you really should be looting!)

My strategy: Get the quests and teleport to Moonglade. Fly to Everlook and get your Furbolgs. Run to the Giants and get your kills. Soon as you get your last kill, teleport and fly to Everlook. Run north to Rivern and get your meats on the way. Once you get to Rivern, rinse and repeat.

Technically, it takes about the same amount of time as running the whole way. But since it's not just a long run, it SEEMS faster. And during the flight you can get a drink instead of just leaving your mount on auto-run and falling off a cliff (I speak from experience...)

Hope this helps other druids! Good Luck and Happy Hunting!

Comment by zarathorn

I've done this faction three times now, on three separate characters. One of these was pre-nerf, when it was 50 rep per quest. Since I don't see one up here, I thought I'd put down my experience into a more detailed guide for those who want to farm this rep efficiently.

First, I only do Winterfall Intrusion as soon as it's available. Certain classes who have a good instant spell to tag mobs might find it faster to also do Frostsaber Provisions, but I avoided it. Rampaging Giants is almost never worth doing unless both the furbolgs and the beasts are very overfarmed.

So, you're at 0/3000 neutral. You've just talked to Rivern Frostwind and picked up your first quest. Where should you go and do it? The answer is obvious to most people: the valleys and ridges just southeast of Frostsaber Rock. Not only is this the closest place to Rivern to get these items, but you'll be traversing this route a lot on your way to Winterfall Village. Doing your starting quests here will familiarize you with the terrain and cut down your travel time.

You've done the first quest six times. You're now able to pick up Winterfall Intrusion. Immediately do this, and then head to Winterfall Village. You want to cut just south of the giant tree across from Frostsaber Rock, and then follow the valley down and then up. This is your fastest route to the village.

DISCLAIMER: The following is best used when you are the only one farming here. If another person shows up, they are likely to screw over the amount of shamans you have available, especially if they're only farming Timbermaw rep. You have been warned.

Now that you're at the village, there are three places you'll want to go, in order:

1) When you're standing outside, facing the village, look to your right. There's a fairly narrow and crooked snowy patch that will allow you access to the hill to the south of the village. This hill has eight furbolgs on it: seven Winterfall Ursa that are stationary, and one patrol that moves from end to end. This patrol can spawn as either a Winterfall Shaman or a Winterfall Den Watcher. Your task up here is to kill four to five Ursas and the patrol, no matter what it has spawned as.

2) Now ride down the hill onto the upper (eastern) level of the village. Including the cave, there are nine furbolgs up here. Seven of them can spawn as either Winterfall Ursas or Winterfall Shamans, the spawn in the cave is always a Winterfall Shaman, and High Chief Winterfall is also in the cave. Your task here is to kill at least five Winterfall Shamans, including the one in the cave. Since they're linked, you'll also kill High Chief Winterfall. You should also kill all Winterfall Ursas you find up here. Why? To force them to respawn. If you ignore the Winterfall Ursas, eventually that's all you'll have left alive.

3) Now, finally, ride out the gate and down the hill to the lower (western) level of the village. There are several furbolgs in the hills around this lower area, but they are always Winterfall Den Watchers and are thus unimportant. The only important mobs are the five furbolgs that spawn at the huts. These five can spawn as either Winterfall Den Watchers or Winterfall Shamans. Down here, your task varies depending on how lucky you are. If you have all five Winterfall Shamans already, ONLY kill the Winterfall Den Watchers. If you don't, kill only as many Winterfall Shamans as you need to. Once only Winterfall Shamans remain down here and you have your quest complete, leave the village and retrace your route back to Rivern.

This strategy, when you are farming alone, ensures you never have to wait for respawns. After a few runs during which you kill every Winterfall Den Watcher, but not Winterfall Shaman, in the lower village, you should have five Winterfall Shamans down there waiting. If you have a streak of extraordinarily bad luck and have no Winterfall Shaman respawns in the upper village or hills, these five are your back-ups. Kill them only if you need to.

Notes:-One of the Winterfall Den Watchers patrolling outside the village can respawn as a Winterfall Shaman. Since it's hard to tell which one it is, it's suggested to simply ignore it unless someone else has forced it to respawn as a Winterfall Shaman. In this case, of course, kill it before entering the village.-Sadly, most other farmers enter the village from the front gate. As a result, the first Winterfall Shamans they see, and the first that die, are your stockpile.-An average run, from accepting the quest to turning it in, took me about seven minutes as an enhancement shaman. Classes with powerful, long-range instant spells, such as mages, should be able to do this even faster.

Comment by Jerodast

I just completed this on my priest. I'll give some quick tips and then share some data to hopefully help you determine your best grinding routine. Tips:

- Be level 80. This chain already takes long enough, don't give yourself a time disadvantage by having less damaging spells, risking getting dismounted, etc. If you do this at 60 you're insane.- Obviously if you have a long range, instant cast, spammable spell, preferably omnidirectional, pull everything then AoE it down. I used SW: Pain.- Using a hearthstone set to Everlook is a bit faster than riding. Does it make up for the time traveling back to Dalaran? ...not sure, it depends :P

Frostsaber Provisions- Find spots where you can ride ~20 yards past the first beast, tag him as you continue running for a GCD, and have at least two or three more targets in range from that point. There should be enough such options available that you can skip any lone mobs.- Avoid Chillwind Chimaera and only target Chillwind Ravagers; the Ravagers are melee and will be much easier to gather up. They're found further out from Winterfall village than the ranged ones.

Winterfall Intrusion- If you end up killing Shaman in the main lower fenced area of the village (it has 5 furbolg, each in front of a hut), kill the Den Watchers too since they share spawns with the Shaman.- If you approach the village from the north, prioritize killing Ursas in the main village and leave the ones on the south ridge as backup, again to allow as many Shaman as possible to respawn in the village area. The ones on the ridge are never Shaman.- If you approach from the south or from Everlook, start at the ridge (you can ride up it from its west end) and kill about 3 Ursas, since you will almost always find at least two more down below which could respawn as the rarer Shaman.

Rampaging Giants- The giants tend to leash a bit quicker than you'd think. I wouldn't try and pull them much further than the distance from one to another.- If you have a slowfall ability, trinket, or underlay, then start your giant run on the upper east edge of the canyon (to the left as you approach the bridge from the north) where you'll find two giants to kill before dropping into the canyon and making your way through to the ramp on the west end. This will greatly reduce your chances of running out of the types you need while you're in the bottom.

Comment by Jerodast

Here's the data I used to determine my best route. I'll start by noting my server has a fairly low population, an advantage in this case, and I rarely competed with others for furbolg or anything else. Therefore these times all reflect clean runs where I didn't have to wait for respawns. If you frequently have to deal with that, you'll have to figure out adjustments to this info on your own.

I tested three versions of a "run". If you're a class that doesn't have the gather-and-AoE options I had, your results may vary. I also tested no-hearthstone runs and runs using the hearthstone from both the quest giver end and the giant end. I found that it was best to do all three quests every run, and to use a hearthstone to Everlook when possible.

Doing the two non-giantquests, data gathered over 7 runs each. 500 reputation. The hearthstone helps, but not a ton since you can still kill stuff on the way there and back without it.9:15 with hearthstone assistance. Efficiency: 54 rep/min

10:01 without hearthstone. Efficiency: 50 rep/min

Doing only Winterfall Intrusion, data gathered in 2 runs (without hearthstone) since it quickly became apparent that this was inferior to the other approaches. 250 reputation. 6:55 average run time gave collection efficiency: 36 rep/minDoing allthreequests. Data gathered over 6 runs each. 850 reputation. The hearthstone helps most from the giant end, but you should use it from either end; the slight extra advantage doesn't compare to the savings by using it as soon after the cooldown as possible.

12:48 with hearthstone from Frostmaul Canyon. Efficiency: 66 rep/min

13:36 with hearthstone from the quest giver (proceeding straight from Everlook to the canyon and doing the other two quests on the way back). Efficiency: 62 rep/min

15:29 without a hearthstone. Efficiency: 55 rep/min

I hope this data is useful to someone.

Comment by morgasaurus

Note that each giant spawn seems to have a 50/50 chance of being a Giant or Preserver. Therefore, you should do the following:

Whichever area you choose (top or bottom), after you kill all the types you need, note how many of each type are remaining. Whichever type there are the most of, kill that type until the number is even.

For example: You finish killing your types in the bottom of the gorge and you see 3 more giants and 5 more preservers. In that case you kill 2 preservers. If they are ALL the same type, kill them all.

Note that this is not bad manners for the following reason: If someone arrives shortly after you they would have to wait on something to respawn anyway or go to another area unless you left at least 4/4. By killing the extraneous "wrong" types you increased the chance that your respawn will be evenly split for them.

If you are the ONLY person farming, this will vastly decrease the chances that you run out of giant times the next time you get there. If there is more than one person farming, then you will have helped them out which gets them out of your way faster.

On that note if you do find someone else doing Wintersaber quests just invite them to a group and set FFA loot. This will save you both lots of pain.

Comment by eizei

Since patch 4.0.3a and the Shattering things have changed a little. For example the meats needed for Frostsaber Provisions now seems to have a 100% droprate.

Winterfall village has also undergone some changes: - There are now only Winterfall Ursas and Shamans in the village, no more useless den watchers. - A few of the groups of 2 or 3 Winterfall Shamans seem to have a way longer respawn time than the other mobs, I personally seemed to often be short 1 shaman doing the quest and had to wait for one to spawn.- There are still quite a few Winterfall furbolgs on the hill next to the village, usually 1 or 2 shamans and about 4-5 ursas- The cave no longer contains any other furbolgs than a named one required for a quest

All in all the patch made the grind more bearable, especially the 100% droprate on Frostsaber Provisions makes it a lot less annoying.

However, if you find yourself not alone grinding the rep, I would suggest just skipping Winterfall Intrusions and do the other quest instead, as you will spend too much time waiting for spawns.

Comment by Kiryana

I've been grinding this rep since the new patch hit and figured people would appreciate an update on the grind.

Your grind will still be from 0/3000 Neutral to exalted resulting in 42000 reputation needed.The quest still give the same amount of reputation 250 per quest (275human).This means you will have to do the "Fostsaber Provisions" and "Winterfall Intrusion" quests 84 times (77 human).(The quest "Rampaging Giants , acquired at honored, is left out do to it slowing down the rep grind process.)

Changes:-The drop rate for the quest items in "Frostsaber Provisions" is now 100% drastically cutting down on your grind time.

-Furbolgs respawn timer seems to be based on the number of Furbolgs alive in the camp. Meaning, if you kill one another will pop up somewhere else (Whether Ursa or Shaman seems to be random).

-A 10% speed buff (mounted and unmounted) called "Juju Frenzy" will be given to you randomly from Furbolgs when they are killed. Also the named mob at the back of the cave in the village seems to have a 100% chance to give you this buff. So, if you do not get it from the Ursa or Shamans kill this mob to get it and keep it refreshed.

Your circuits should be as quick and out of the way as possible. Do not go to far off the trail for "Frostsaber Provisions" as the re-spawns will be there on your circuit back.

Due to slow re-spawn timer on "Frostsaber Provisions" mobs it is faster to to both quests than trying to grind just the shorter distanced quest "Frostsaber Provisions".

You also still receive all the rep for Timbermaw stated above in earlier post 20 per kill. Also turning in 10 beads for the first time will reward you with 1400 Timbermaw reputation followed by 5 bead turn ins worth 2000 reputation. The turin in point is with Salfa outside the Timbermaw entrance (Winterspring side).Kir

Comment by dlewis319

Just a small suggestion. With the new patch coming out and the ability to fly in Azeroth, wouldnt rep gaining for the wintersaber trainers be quicker?

The ability to fly around in a circle doing all the quests and handing in is gonig to make life so much easier.

Think im going to wait before tackling this one!

Comment by Hairband

Some of these comments are interesting for historic value, but aren't at all useful in patch 4.0 and post Cataclysm, but I'm mixed on Wowhead deleting them. (Here's what's new: The drop rate of the meats is now 100%, up from maybe 33% or so, and also the configuration of Winterfall Furbolg are comprised of only Shaman and Ursa and the dude in the cave has changed, no longer a Chief). Also there are 2 new questgivers/quests in the Timbermaw faction outside the lower entrance to the Village.

I just made a comment elsewhere regarding the length of time of the runs for Winterfall Intrusions and Frostaber Provisions on an epic land mount; the time length is about 10 minutes per circuit if the Shaman are there for you.

The gist of what I posted is that it takes about 3.5 hrs to grind about 10,500 reputation with Frostsaber if you just do these 2 quests on a land mount. Don't stop for herbs because it will add over 2 hours to the total grind and fill up bag space (30+ herbs in one circuit, just stopping for the convenient ones). Help lowbies at Winterfall Village to get them out of your hair faster and don't pvp because it wastes time. Try to get anyone grinding this rep to team up with you. There will be enough meats for 3 (we had three of us on a VOA War mammoth and we only seldom had to look for one of the meat mobs) Get acquainted with the Furbolgs because sometimes they spawn as either/or Shaman/Ursa and sometimes they ONLY spawn as Ursas--if it's just you, make sure any Ursa in your path is killed if it's one that might respawn as a Shaman for your next run (because often you are 3 Shaman short of a circuit thus adding up to 5 minutes to a run that ordinarily takes just 10 minutes).

Basically Wintersaber Trainers is very doable, it's a grind but not insane like it would have been under previous patches, and it has a very neat history. Don't pass up a historic glimpse into WoW past and a pretty cool mount.

Comment by Ghaleon

With the ability to fly in Azeroth, as well as purchase +310% flight speed, my circuit completion time as a Protection specced Paladin (Crusader Aura, increasing my total movement speed to 492% ), doing all 3 quests takes approximately 5 minutes.

Comment by Bearlyhurtu

When u get to Honored it is about 40x all 3 repeatable Quests + 10% Guild Rep Bonus. Easy grind with flyer.

Comment by TherealBlacknite

Pretty easy to do now once you can get all 3 quests.

Pour yourself a drink or crack a beer.

Pick them all up head over and kill the Chimaera and bears, head over to the ursa and shaman camp and just kill them all, if you dont get 5/5 on both leave anyway and fly down to the giants.

Both winterfall mobs and the giants share a spawn so leaving with 1 or 2 shamans can and will happen.

At the giants kill them all, if you're lucky you will get 4/4 on both but that happens about 1 in 5 times. after you kill all the giants just wait 2 minutes for them to respawn hopefully you're done with that part by a second respawn.

Swing back through the winterfall shaman/ursa area and get the last 2 or 3 shaman you need and head back to the turn in NPC.

Finish your drink or beer and repeat.

after about 7 hours you're done...or passed out drunk, either way you win!

Comment by Ohmaigawd

Someone know if you actualy get to keep the saber if you faction change?

Comment by Antitheory

If you haven't already, pick up Turning the Earth from one of the Timbermaw furbolgs right outside the Winterfall camp. This quest gives you an item you can use to destroy the totems around camp, and when the totems respawn they always pop back up with 2-3 Ursas or Shamans. Having this easy way to increase the Shaman population greatly reduces the downtime in your grind, making the whole process much faster.

Comment by Garneth

In 4.1 this has been changed and the faction is no longer necessary. It is now a bunch of daily quests with quest rewards leading up to the mount. QQ?

Comment by Mortimer

Some changes are coming for the aquirement of the mount in 4.1.0. making it pretty much the same as the Venomhide Ravasaur.

This change will lower the overall time it takes to aquire the mount but will also make it take no less than 20 days to complete. All the current quests are being replaced by a new Main quest and a few random daily quests of which you can only recieve and complete one per day.

These daily quests do not appear to give reputation towards Wintersaber Trainers on the current PTR-build, making you unable to become exalted with them for the time being.

Comment by monkeyrevolution

Since most of these comments are slightly outdated, I thought I'd share my route. I think I've streamlined it quite nicely.

First, from the quest giver, head almost directly East, and kill chimeras for Frostsaber Provisions. Don't bother with the bears right now.

Second, head over to Winterfall Village, South-East. Kill Shamans first, then clean up your Ursa numbers. After a few runs through the Village, you'll see which spawns share both Ursas and Shamans--be sure to hit these ones. If you don't get enough on the first go, don't waste time here--carry on, and hit it on the way back.

Next, go to Frostwhisper Gorge. Here's where your time-sink really comes in. From what I can tell, the giants all share spawns, so kill them all, even if you don't need any more of that particular one. While you're waiting for respawn, kill the bears in the area for Frostsaber Provisions. Clean up your giants, and carry on.

Finally, head North again. Stop by Winterfall Village for your remaining Shamans (if you didn't get them all in the first pass), and carry on to the quest giver for turn-in.

From acquisition to turn-in, this route takes about 12 minutes in near-ideal circumstances (Master flying, both guild mount speed perks, ghost wolf form to run between mobs with, and a spell that can one-shot mobs 90% of the time).

Comment by gunnarssen

I'm 11450 / 21000 at the moment. If I don't grind the rest of the rep for exalted before the patch is released am I going to have to start again from scratch and do the whole 20 grind?

Comment by Obzenia

Just reporting my interesting findings....

2 full runs in a row of all three quests took me over 20 minutes.

I was able to do 4 runs in a row of just the first quest (Frostsaber Provisions) in 9m 41s... ***Also, the mobs I took out on my first run had re-spawned on my 4th run, meaning that if I wanted to I could do this infinitely and never run out of mobs.***

This means I get at least 330 more rep per 20 minutes using the 2nd method. It's also faster paced and personally more exciting.

Clearly, with the 100% drop rate, it's much more efficient to just do Frostsaber Provisions until your fingers fall off. For a break every once and a while, do a full circuit and rest while you're auto-run/flying back to Rivern.

(This while the area was dead, which it normally is these days.)

Hope that helps anyone out who wants to start earning with this faction... or finally finish. =P

Comment by Zmori

For those wanting for speed, here is a simple, easy method that might help to speed things up a bit.

Instead of going back and forth doing all three daily quests, only do the first one, FrostSaber Provisions. Yes, it is less reputation per run, but it proves to be a bit swifter, only having to go to the area right next to the rock, kill ten beasts, then come back and repeat. If the beasts are all dead after a while, give them time to respawn and go ahead and go do the other two quests. When you return, continue on.

Hope this helped!

Comment by Kerastrasza

If you are doing Winterfall Intrustion I suggest you also pick up Turning the Earth from just outside the village. The shamans have a very long slow spawn rate if the totems aren't killed and the quest turning the earth allows you to do so. They have a short respawn if the totems are killed, however be sure to kill the totem after the shamans or you won't get kill credit.

Comment by Fleurdelis

There is no quick and easy way to do this, even if you manage to speed it up a little with the Turning the Earth totem. There just isn't. It's one of the longest, most boring, tedious and annoying grinds in the game, right up there with the Netherwing grind.

I agree with whoever said that if you're thinking of doing this at a lower level - don't. You'll get so discouraged that you won't complete it and probably will never come back to it as you level up. You'll decide that having this pretty mount isn't worth coming back to (after all, what is a pretty little cat next to a huge FLYING drake?) If, however, you're like me and are obsessed with all the mounts in the game, or are trying for the 50 or 100 mount achievement, or simply are so completely bored with everything else that this seems exciting and new, AND if you're a higher level and won't be bothered by various and sundry other things that are trying to kill you while you grind and have fast flying - go for it. The mount really is fun and even though there will be more of them since the change, it's still special. Most people will get too bored and/or impatient to finish the grind for it, so there won't be THAT many. :-)

Having numbed your brain with all that, here are a couple of coping mechanisms, should you decide to settle in for a long session:

* Be prepared. Have lots of room in your bags for stuff other than quest items. By the way, there are a couple of decent drops from the giants if you need gold. Have plenty of food, drink, or whatever your char. needs to keep going. Put on some nice music (it helps keep your mind off what you're doing :-\\ ) and keep some snacks handy.

* Having done this several different ways, I found that it's much quicker and actually less tedious to only do the Frostsaber Provisions quest over and over. In the time it takes you just to fly to Timbermaw Village, you can fly back from the bear/chimera grounds, turn in the quest, pick it up again and return to the grinding area. This is assuming, of course that you aren't trying to do this without flying; in that case, you have my deepest sympathies. Flying all the way to the giants just isn't worth it.

* Take physical breaks. Get up and walk around, go get a drink, chat on the phone (even better, chat while you're grinding.) Part of the boredom and tedium comes from just plain old overload. But I don't recommend leaving Winterspring (unless you absolutely have to) until you've gone up a full level. It's very hard to come back to this grind and very easy to keep putting it off once you've left and gone to do something else. If you really want to finish it, and really want that mount, stay with it as long as you can. It really does help.

* Plan your route. Know where the mobs are grouped and go there, pick a route that you feel is the quickest and go to it. If you need some variation, do it backwards. If you have something that will enhance your run speed, a potion or spell or whatever, bring plenty along and use it. If you have a ranged weapon or attack, and can use it while you move, do it. Run along your route, shoot the mob ahead of you while running and then keep going. Either loot as you go or turn around after you've killed five and loot then. It helps if you can one shot the mobs; having to fight each one is just not going to work as well. If you have to fight a little, armor and buff up as much as you can to speed it up.

* The leatherworking guy at the little camp (where you pick up the Turning the Earth quest - I can't think of the guy's name right now) will do repairs and you can sell to him whatever you don't want; no need to go into Everlook at all if you don't want to. It's right in the middle of the grinding area.

I hope this helps a little.

Good luck and good grinding! :-D

Comment by justwowstuff

Linked back to wowhead's blog to let you all read the details. Looks like its going to change to be similar to the Horde's 20-day dailies to get their Raptor mount in Un'goro Crater. We're not sure whats going to happen with the rep, but the mount looks like it'll be easier to gain!

Also you'll be able to buy the little companion from a vendor in Everlook (both Horde and Alliance can get it).

Comment by Lostelf

Bout time it got a change...now i say we get revenge on this guy *Checks "at war" box* pew pew >:)

Comment by bethaniebee

This is much easier since Cata came out and you are now able to fly back and forth to each quest location. I got to neutral in much under an hour. The rep given now, for a night elf, is 262 and 263 per turn in. It is nice that I can slowly grind Timbermaw Hold rep while doing the Intrusion quest and am also picking up the beads for turn in at the mouth of the Timbermaw cave. Its a slow grind but definately worth it! Good luck all!

Vyridiana, Sargeras, NElf Druid

Comment by Splittail

The best method for this all the way to exalted is to repeat (as a nelf hunter with only 5% additional rep)Winterfall Intrusion andWinterfall Provisions (average 5 minutes per cycle)

Pick up the 2 questsGo to Winterfall Intrusion first.

Pick up the quest "Turning the Earth" from Tanrir just outside the camp. (DO NOT TURN IN)

Kill shaman first, only kill what you need. Zap the abandoned totems with the item from Tanrir to induce spawn for your next run through the area. Kill Ursas as you kill shaman, fly up on the hill if you run short of Ursas

Kill bears, then Chimaera.

Drop "Turning the Earth" in flight.

Turn in and pick up the 2 again. (Rinse and repeat)

My reasoning why this is the fastest. I made two runs of all 3 quests at about 11 minutes each cycle. The third run took 30 minutes because the Giants spawn slow. Even if you alternate 2 full cycles, with two partial (doing intrusion and provisions only) you still get less rep. Within 35 minutes I gained 839 rep more doing the 2 quests only (must do it as I described so you NEVER wait on shaman to spawn)

(I tested this over several cycles to ensure I had the right times and testing the respawn rates)

Happy Grinding!

Comment by Mairin

Few quick points on using the Turning the Earth totem.

When you destroy a totem, it forces a respawn but not always at the spot you destroyed it. Check around.

You can cast it from a flying mount so if you find the entire village all as shamans and no ursas, you can throw in a parting shot or 2 as you take off to kill a pack of the undesired winterfall type.

Put the totem on an action bar or bind it through a macro since once you've completed the quest the totem is no longer clickable through the quest tracker but still works.

edit.

Just for the record, it was about 7k rep an hour for me doing the first two quests and throwing the giants in every three or four circuits just to break up the monotony.

Comment by mstieler

Hmmm... to turn in the quests or not? I still had Provisions/Giants/Intrusion in my log in the change to 4.1.

I'm doubting I can still pick them back up post-4.1, so I'm leery to drop em from my log, should they be gone forever. It's not like i was really close to the end of the grind; about halfway through Revered.

Comment by drkalpha

Im at revered at the moment and with the 4.1 patch it seems all three quests have been replaced with two essentially. First one you have to collect wintersaber cubs for Rivern and he gives you a cub to keep. The cub itself can only be called out in winterspring and gives a daily quest my guess which awards you a "whisker". You have to collect 20 of these and 20 runecloth and 20 rugged leather to hand in to Rivern along with i believe 80 gold to get the mount. It sucks because i was so close to exalted but now have to wait the 20 days =( not sure if I can still get the mount anyways at exalted though the daily gives a lot of rep itself.

Comment by kingjim

as of patch 4.1 the quests listed here have been replaced to more closely resemble They Grow Up So Fast

Comment by Aibhilough

Whole quest chain has changed. Now like the Horde quest for the mount in Un'Goro.

Raise a pet for 20 days. Do a daily, in Winterspring only. Like this is easy to get to.The "standard" 3 quests are one time only.

Comment by yukonjack

Whole quest chain has changed. Now like the Horde quest for the mount in Un'Goro.

Raise a pet for 20 days. Do a daily, in Winterspring only. Like this is easy to get to.The "standard" 3 quests are one time only.

Actually if you are level 80 or higher you can get there quite quickly by using the Hyjal portal in either Orgrimaar or Stormwind, if not well ya its a pain.

That said I far prefer the new method of gaining rep with the Wintersaber Trainers. For me the new dailies are much preferable. I was just over revered when 4.1 hit and that didnt change, also I believe 20 days is far sooner to exalted then I would have taken under the old system.

As I mentioned above I was just over revered when 4.1 went into effect and I started the new Wintersaber dailies, well after 12 days of doing the quests today I hit exalted and was able to purchase Reins of the Winterspring Frostsaber for 80 gold. Even though I no longer need to complete the dailies to purchase the mount I plan to anyway as I really enjoy them.

Comment by ParadoxFactor

Looks like the mount is now done via a 20 quest line similar to the Horde's Venomhide Ravasaur. Note thing to note though, I was already at Exalted with the Wintersaber trainers pre patch and when I talked to the trainer, he still had the mount available for sale. Also, out of curiosity a friend and I tried sharing the quests Frostsaber Provisions , Winterfall Intrusion, and Rampaging Giants, letting her turn them in, then having me share them back to her since the quet giver didn't offer the repeatable quests again. This worked and she still got rep for the quests. So you still can get Exalted with the Wintersaber Trainers faction. What's not known is if you hit exalted doing this will you be able to buy the mount like you could prepatch.

Comment by Eighjan

Ooops - editing required for this page; 'Side' column should all be Alliance (where did the ? option come from...?) and the old quests need to be removed, as they no longer exist.

Comment by Eighjan

Quote: "The faction is noted for having no Horde counterpart..." unquote.

That wouldn't include the Ravasaur Trainers of Un'Goro Crater, then...?

This is where some people (not me) get infuriated with inconsistencies on sites like these... just saying.

Comment by el1ysium

you don't have to complete the 20 daily quests to get the mount..just do the dailies until you reach exalted then you can purchase the mount. i was 13k/21k revered and did a couple of dailies and got exalted..was then able to purchase the mount without having to complete the new quest chain

Comment by drainoboy6

i am so happy that they changed this. the old grind was a pain in the neck even with 310% flying and all the perks. this makes it a lil more tolerable. plus my GM keeps rubbing it in my face that she has one and i don't lol.

Comment by rebeccarae

None of this grind is necessary now. I had started it a long time ago and never took the time to get anywhere with it. I was 500 into neutral and went to the quest giver, Rivern Frostwind. He gave me one quest to collect cubs, Get Them While They're Young and I immediately hit Friendly upon turning it in. Then he gives you a cub and a quest They Grow Up So Fast. Upon completing this quest you will be awarded with the mount. The cub has to "grow up" and you must get 20 whiskers from it. The cub itself gives you a daily which gives one whisker per day. Once you have all 20 you have to turn them into Rivern along with 20 runecloth, 20 rugged leather and 80g.

Comment by kjeksomanen

Now really easy to do, but just takes a long time. 20 days.

Comment by FurySpec

Cataclysm changed this rep grind completely. Instead of being given repeatable quests that take a total of 20-90 hours to complete, you now complete twenty days' worth of reasonably simple daily quests. You start by going to the trainer and completing the quest "Get Them While They're Young", in which you catch your own Frostsaber cub. The cub will serve as both companion and quest giver. The trainer gives you another quest, "They Grow Up So Fast", which requires you to complete the cat's daily quest twenty times. For twenty days (doesn't need to be consecutive), you'll need to go to Winterspring (anywhere in the zone is fine) and summon your feline companion. The cat will give you one of four daily quests, e.g., "Kitty's hungry, collect ten bear flanks". Each completed daily awards one Whisker and some coin.

Once you've collected twenty whiskers, you return the cub to the trainer, along with materials for the Frostsaber's saddle (20 Runecloth, 20 Rugged Leather, and 80 gold). This completes "They Grow Up So Fast" and awards a grown-up Frostsaber mount. They basically look like the Night Elf mounts, except white and sort of a silvery-purple.

Comment by kingjim

i have recently discovered that if you hit exalted with the trainers beforeyou get 20 whiskers you can purchase the mount the old way or if you want to becheap just keep doing the dailies till exalted and buy the mount without the need for theleather or cloth just the 80g the mount costs

Comment by fredb47

Easy enough, especially after level 60.

Comment by Qoko

For those that do this questchain anew, the rep for the Trainers has been calculated up to the single rep point for non-Humans without guild perks. Starting at 0/3000 Neutral you will get Get Them While They're Young from Frostwind. Completing this will put you at 0/6000 Friendly. The mount quest They Grow Up So Fast will require you to do the cub dailies twenty times, netting you 20 x 1500 = 30k rep. This is that which is required for Friendly, Honored, and you will be 12k into Revered (30 - 6 (Friendly) - 12 (Honored) = 12k/21k Revered). Finishing the mount quest nets you an exact total of 10k rep, resulting in 1k Exalted, thus maxed out by one point.

All in all a letdown, considering what this grind used to be. I did it during Wrath, much less worse than classic, but still a grind. The current one in comparison is just patience.

EDIT: checking this again from 5.0 on, I see that the final quest rewards 42999 rep, which is sufficient to go to max Exalted from the starting rep (0/3000 neutral to max Exalted is 3k + 6k + 12k + 21k + 999 = 42999). I think this was implemented to allow Horde players that faction change with the Raptor quest active and 20 teeth to become Exalted with the Wintersaber Trainers upon transferring and completing the mount quest.

Comment by shastah

I have done this quest with 2 different toons on wow and did get exalted with the wintersaber trainers, had all the required mats and plenty of gold (took more than 20 whiskers too, btw). I was able to buy the reins of the Winterspring Frostsaber and still have the cub but wasn't able to complete the quest to get the cubs first toy. There is a yellow question mark above Rivern Frostwind but I still can't complete the quest for the toy and XP. Every place I could find and read on the internet says it should be done by now especially since I was able to buy the reins. Has anyone else out there done anything different than I have and had success? Thanx....Shastah

Comment by basementcat

amazing didn't know about this since my new main is horde but my original main was a human lock back before AQ and ZG came out. tried to get this rep, after an hour got less then half of the items needed for turn in that gave less then 100 rep.

Comment by ttstarck

Pretty sweet mount!

Comment by FrostKittyPaw

The only two members of this Alliance only faction is Rivern Frostwind and Glacier, while Chal Fairwind has the "<Wintersaber Trainers>" tag but is instead part of Darnassus. As of patch 5.2 killing Rivern and Glacier gives no rep lose even though you can put the faction at war. Sometime in MoP all players with rep lower than 0/3000 neutral were reset to 0/3000 neutral. Prior to these two changes players could kill Rivern all the way to 0/36000 hated.

Comment by Ezbee

So I think ive found a bug with the whiskers quest and the dailies associated with it that will allow you to pick up more than one of the dailies at a time.

If you go to a different realm and pick up a quest from the cub, when you return to your realm you're still able to pick up the quest from your cub.

I've only tested it enough that I was able to get 2 quests, You might be able to get all 4 if you go to enough different realms to get them, doing the quest in 5 days.

Of course this is unintended, so keep that in mind when considering doing this.

Edit: I managed to pick up a third it probably is possible to get all in one day

Comment by Hitie

There is a bug with this.. you can basically get the mount in a day...