khmer wrote:I have 176 red opto and teal gl and they are beautiful discs, especially the teal. I grip is comparable to the roc; I always get a nice clean rip and I love the snapping sound that's created when it rips out of your fingers I have not seen a difference in stability in either one; they both fight head wind exceptionally well (20-30 mph)-they're practically identical in that comparison. Depending on your shot selection they'll fly low and straight w/the dependable fade, or a nice long hyzer shot, or my favorite, the flex shot-it's beautiful to watch it glide and slowly flex out as it continues to move forward. I've played 2 rounds at leagues with it and plus another 81 rounds of casual play, not including me practicing situational shots. My problem is deciding which one stays in the bag. If you still want pics of the rim, let me know. I'll can get shots of the opto one; my teal gl is sent away to get dye...it'll come back with the wolverine (comic book hero) on it probably next week sometime

Yeah, pics would be more than welcome. Since the one pic of the rim I found in the net, was really blurry. So couldnt really make out much from of it.

I wonder which plastic would be better then, if they have the same stability? I´ve never tried any of the Lat64 plastics.

Being that you've never thrown Lat 64, it's hard to say which plastic to go with. I can tell you all the discs in my bag are gold line plastic except for one (opto xXx); I use gl b/c I like the grip, it's grippier than opto, plus normally it has better glide-which is what I want. Initially it may come down to getting each plastic then assessing which one you like, then go from there. Enjoy the pics and let me know if you like more.

I recieved 6 more Pains in the mail today. 3 178 Optos and 3 178 Gold Lines. The first thing I did was run out to the school yard and give'em a toss. I noticed that the 3 GL were substantially more stable than the 3 Optos. So I drove home and got my two older Opto Pains that are in my bag so I could compare them to the new ones to make sure. The same results, all of the GLs are much more stable than the Optos. Has anyone esle found this to be true? Generally I have found the opposite to be true, that Opto plastic is more stable than GL. The Pain seems to be an acception, atleast for me.

I checked the PLH and they are the same as far I can tell with the naked eye.

My 174 Opto Pain came in today. Suffice it to say, if you're looking for a Roc in pretty premium plastic without paying premium Roc prices, this disc is for you. No bead though, if you're in love with beads. I didn't notice the slanted inner rim either but I throw Fuses a lot so...

BrotherDave wrote:My 174 Opto Pain came in today. Suffice it to say, if you're looking for a Roc in pretty premium plastic without paying premium Roc prices, this disc is for you. No bead though, if you're in love with beads. I didn't notice the slanted inner rim either but I throw Fuses a lot so...

I have a 175g San Marino Roc that is butter soft and pulls on my finger just at release. My Opto 176g Pain requires a pinch grip or it will slip out and release early. I like each dis, but they kinda have different uses. For one thing, I can pound the Pain for distance and get exactly what I desire, the Roc, not so much.

"JimW wrote:Every time I've ever tried to implement any of the advice from on here to get more distance on my drives it has ended up wrecking my game completely for a while.