At first look: he has some problems with the terminology. The heliopause is not like an "atmosphere" of solar system. It's Heliosphere that would be called such - the heliopause is just a boundary of it (and still theoretical, as we know not much about what is it really like there - we hope the Voyager Mission that still continues to this day may give us some answers in the future, when the probe finally reaches the boundary of heliosphere).

Anyway, watch that Neil deGrasse (I recommend watching the full program, there's a lot of interesting facts about science). The guy is good and shouldn't be that hard to swallow. And is fun aswell.

according to him, this kinda alignment occurs every year... now, where the evidence?

Oh, now you are asking for evidence? I think the proper place to ask for evidence is when someone told you that the world will end (or any other fanciful claim). You can't get evidence to show a negative, that just doesn't make sense.

There are thousands of people making all sorts of nonsense claims. When they say "prove me wrong" just ignore them. That is not the way proper science works. If they make the claim then it is up to them to prove it. Let's say I make a claim that "the moon now has pink unicorns living on the far side". So you say "don't be stupid revolution, that is nonsense". And I say "If you can't prove me then wrong then it must be true!" You see, you can't prove a negative, no matter how hard you try to show there are no pink unicorns on the moon I can always say "well they ran away from under your probes sensors because they are shy", or "you didn't image every square meter so they are in the places that you didn't look", or any number of other counter arguments. And the whole exercise is just a waste of time that would be better spent doing other things.

So when someone tries to tell you the world will end on some future date ask for evidence. And because the claim is particularly extraordinary then the evidence had also be particularly extraordinary because just having some ancient calendar ending a cycle is hardly a strong position to be making bold claims from. Also try to ask how the world will end. At least then you would have something a little more substantial to go on, rather than some vague prediction where you are supposed to guess the details yourself.

So my bet is still open to anyone. If you are so sure the world will end then why not take my bet? If you are right then you have nothing to lose. Put your money where your claim is. If you don't want to take my bet then it is clear that it is all just hot air with no substance behind the claim.

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revolution, I think he asked where is the proof that this stuff happens every year?

Yeah, I know. And I think it is not the right place to be asking for evidence-of-the-disproof. The quest for evidence should have been right up there in the first post, asking for evidence-supporting-the-claim. That is what I meant about evidence for the negative.

The alignment of the earth, the sun and the center of the milky way galaxy.
Will the earths poles trade places?
Will this be the end of days?
Probably not.
I am more worried about what to do when the calander hanging on my door expires, but maybe i am optimistic.
Only time will tell, so sit back and punch some code while you still can.

_________________Coding a 3D game engine with fasm is like trying to eat an elephant,
you just have to keep focused and take it one 'byte' at a time.

So, since no one here believes strongly enough to take my bet. Then how about we discuss something a little more interesting.

Since we all know the world will NOT end in 2012 then what will be the next popular date of doomsday after the entire 2012 year has passed without anything unusual happening? Is there some sort of list of predicted future dates of Armageddon? Clearly 2012 is now the favoured date since it is coming quite soon, just as 2000 was in it's time, but what is the next day of reckoning that everyone will get all needlessly worried about?

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