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Protesters in Kiev Topple Lenin Statue as Rallies Grow

By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN and ANDREW E. KRAMER
Published: December 8, 2013

KIEV, Ukraine — Protesters in Kiev, the capital of Ukraine, toppled the city’s main statue of Lenin on Sunday and then pounded it into chips with a sledgehammer as a crowd chanted and cheered. The destruction of the statue was a cathartic moment in the biggest day of demonstrations so far against President Viktor F. Yanukovich’s turn away from Europe...

Interesting, this reminds me a bit of the dissolution of the Soviet Union, its surreal to see them protesting FOR free trade (or at least the EU version of it). Its also surreal to see that they still have statues of Lenin up in Ukraine.

Re: Protesters in Kiev Topple Lenin Statue as Rallies Grow

Still it seems a very small group, all things considered and the mass protests in Greece and France where 10s of 1000s showed up,... last I read an actual esitmate it was in the 100s maybe a 1000. Seems to me very few are actually upset with the turn easterly rather than westerly but because westerners still demonize Russia, we are hearing about it. Hell we're having bigger protests here for minimum wage increase and it's hardly making a dent in media. So blow it out of proportion if you want, but it doesn't really seem like very many, not even a majority, are against closer ties with Russia and not joining the EU under the strict banker-thieves they would have to accommodate if they join the EU.

jallman: "It's all good. At least you have a thick skin and can take being poked fun back at without crying. "

Re: Protesters in Kiev Topple Lenin Statue as Rallies Grow

Originally Posted by Summerwind

Still it seems a very small group, all things considered and the mass protests in Greece and France where 10s of 1000s showed up,... last I read an actual esitmate it was in the 100s maybe a 1000. Seems to me very few are actually upset with the turn easterly rather than westerly but because westerners still demonize Russia, we are hearing about it. Hell we're having bigger protests here for minimum wage increase and it's hardly making a dent in media. So blow it out of proportion if you want, but it doesn't really seem like very many, not even a majority, are against closer ties with Russia and not joining the EU under the strict banker-thieves they would have to accommodate if they join the EU.

What makes you say that? Most major news outlets are reporting hundreds of thousands on the streets in Kiev while polls show a strong plurality favor the EU pact (45%) while strongly opposing a similar association with Russia and the Kazakh/Belarus customs union (only 14% support it). You appear to be incorrect.

Re: Protesters in Kiev Topple Lenin Statue as Rallies Grow

Originally Posted by Sherman123

What makes you say that? Most major news outlets are reporting hundreds of thousands on the streets in Kiev while polls show a strong plurality favor the EU pact (45%) while strongly opposing a similar association with Russia and the Customs Union (only 14% support it). You appear to be incorrect.

Re: Protesters in Kiev Topple Lenin Statue as Rallies Grow

Originally Posted by Summerwind

Still it seems a very small group, all things considered and the mass protests in Greece and France where 10s of 1000s showed up,... last I read an actual esitmate it was in the 100s maybe a 1000. Seems to me very few are actually upset with the turn easterly rather than westerly but because westerners still demonize Russia, we are hearing about it. Hell we're having bigger protests here for minimum wage increase and it's hardly making a dent in media. So blow it out of proportion if you want, but it doesn't really seem like very many, not even a majority, are against closer ties with Russia and not joining the EU under the strict banker-thieves they would have to accommodate if they join the EU.

You make it sound like Westerners unfairly demonize Russia.

We'd probably have a lot of Russian liberals disagree with that statement, but they keep on disappearing.

Re: Protesters in Kiev Topple Lenin Statue as Rallies Grow

Originally Posted by Sherman123

What makes you say that? Most major news outlets are reporting hundreds of thousands on the streets in Kiev while polls show a strong plurality favor the EU pact (45%) while strongly opposing a similar association with Russia and the Kazakh/Belarus customs union (only 14% support it). You appear to be incorrect.