Trying to persuade liberal Jews that guns can save their children’s lives

I tell myself that it’s a sign of my native smarts that I had the intellectual flexibility to abandon the Leftist ideologies that controlled the first 2/3 of my life to date and to embrace entirely new ideas. In other words, I’m not a weak-minded weather vane; I’m a THINKER.

The reason I mention this is that nowhere has my thinking changed more profoundly than when it comes to guns. After all, despite my Democrat party affiliation I was always patriotic, always supported the Constitution, always supported Israel, thought badly of Communism etc.

The one area in which I’ve made a complete 180 is guns. Before my becoming a born again Second Amendment supporter, I never thought about (1) the values the Founders were advancing, (2) the nature of individual liberty, or (3) the fact that the biggest killer of individuals, always — in any time, at any place, under any circumstances — is government. Instead, I simplistically, naively argued that guns are bad because they kill people. To my regret, I put my money where my mouth is, donating to the Brady organization and other anti-gun groups.

Perhaps it’s a sign of true repentance that I’ve tried to make what reparation I can for my foolish, unthinking views. I belong to the NRA; I am trying to bring up children who understand that guns are neither killing machines nor toys but are, instead, important tools in the never-ending fight against tyranny; and I try to get people to rethink guns.

One of those opportunities to change other people’s thinking came about just the other day. One of my Facebook friends is a very liberal Jewish woman who is also very supportive of Israel. She’s really struggling with the fact that America’s colleges and universities are hot-beds of good, old-fashioned, “burn the Jews and bomb Israel” antisemitism. She therefore put up a post about the spread of antisemitism, along with a comment about how dreadful this is. This bit of by-play then ensued in the comments:

One of her Progressive friends: What’s even worse [than all that Jew-hatred] is that the NRA wants college campuses to allow open carry. What’s happening in this country?

Me, in “real me” mode: I’d rather my Jewish kids were armed against people preaching this violent antisemitism than unarmed. History shows that, while armed Jews don’t end up in gas chambers, unarmed ones do.

I even added a photograph:

And then something interesting happened: After I wrote my comment, none of the usual Progressive suspects leaped into the fray to denounce me for defending gun rights. I fully expected to do battle, because that’s been the norm on Facebook when I let some of my libertarian/conservative values ooze out.

What happened instead was total silence. I like to think that this silence came about because a whole bunch of Jewish parents had this brief epiphany about the way in which guns not only kill people, but also defend them — and sometimes the people who are defended are your own children.

While I’m talking about guns and gun rights, here are three links you may find interesting:

Guns aren’t crazy, uncontrolled things that suddenly go off spontaneously, like a string of lit firecrackers. They simply sit there, waiting for responsible people to handle them responsibly or for irresponsible people to handle them stupidly — kind of like cars. Sean Davis has 14 points to illustrate this principle.

If you scan this list of the 50 most dangerous cities in the world, aside from noticing that many are in Latin America and that our president has issued an open-door invitation to the residents of those cities (both do-gooders and criminals) to enter our country, you’ll also notice that all of these cities are in areas of extreme to more extreme gun control.

And lastly, speaking of tyrannical governments and gun control, what was once a Chris Rock joke about banning bullets is now becoming real Obama policy (and is already on the books in California in slightly different form). I would argue that rendering guns useless by doing away with bullets is precisely as unconstitutional as banning guns in the first place.

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Presume there are (political) liberals and conservatives in Israel. Yet none of them demurs about gun ownership.
Perhaps the problem is that the American left is not in sufficient proximity to true evil, cosseted in the bosom of a still-stable democracy.

I think you’re right, RobertArvanitis — and maybe they’ll start changing their tune as the danger comes closer to home.

ymarsakar

The Left is evil and is allied with evil.

blick

Leftists, with all of the anger, hate and violence in their hearts, know that they should not have guns. Their problem is they think everybody is like them. So, nobody should have guns.

Servo1969

That’s true.
I remember a column by a female journalist (I wish I could remember where I read this) about how she bought a pistol and took it home for a week so she could say she say she had first hand experience owning a gun. She was utterly uneducated about her gun. She didn’t know if it was loaded or unloaded. She didn’t know if racking the slide would make it go off and kill one of her neighbors. She finally took her gun and walked up to a cop who was in the middle of a traffic stop to ask him to check it for her. I was amazed she didn’t get shot.
Her conclusion? You guessed it- Because she was too stupid to own a gun no one should be allowed to own one. Also, she was mad that she and other people were allowed to purchase a gun without being taught how to operate it. There should have been laws protecting her from her own stupidity!

One of the constants with Leftists is their inability to put themselves in other people’s shoes. For all they always go on about how they think of other people, they always assume that other people think just as they do. As I mentioned in a long ago post, that’s one of the problems with Obamacare: the assumption that super poor people actually want health insurance. My friend, who lives among the super poor, learned that they’d prefer to rely on the emergency room, as opposed to be responsible for even a minimal monthly payment.

David Miller

Here is the story. This woman got a huge ration of s#$t for her trouble.

Just as a historical aside, the gun control debate in America was actually held in 1775. That is when the British decided American colonists shouldn’t be allowed a means of defense. They didn’t go for the guns, they went for the propellent, which would have effectively disarmed the colonists. On April 18, 1775, British soldiers marched to Concord, Mass. to steal the colonists’ gunpowder supplies. The colonists won the debate on April 19.

I have never understood Jews who think being unarmed is a way to stay alive.

Beth

I had a similar conversation in my book group. We were discussing guns when subject shifted to the attack on Sandy Hook (a school not unlike the one my daughter attended, also in rural Connecticut). The obvious solution, ban guns!! To which I replied “I think I’d rather have some armed teachers in my daughter’s school should an armed madman arrive at her school at 9:30 on a school day.” Well that shut that conversation down. But I kept going, “If someone wants to attack a school and they can’t get guns, I figure they can get bombs (cars) and knives with ease.” Went on to talk about the gun instructor, in I think Utah, who has offered for the past 20 year, free training to any teacher who wanted to learn. Totally optional and now there are a teachers in almost every school in the state who no longer work in a gun free zone. At least those children will have a chance should a madman storm the gates. I wasn’t banned from book group but they are careful not to bring up THAT subject again, but there are innocent victims in almost every book we read, so….

ymarsakar

Thanks for speaking up. Someone has to do the dirty jobs on this planet. Since Leftists obey authority, all one has to do to order them around is to supplant in their eyes, their own authority, with yours.

RaymondJelli

For a liberal Jew this will not be a discussion about straightforward logic but logic of a twisted nature. It goes against their grain. If they need a gun it is because their Jewish identity is hated by others. That means they will have to have the slightest embrace of their Jewish identity. Many will embrace that identity as a common sense measure. Many will not and that will mean more shrill dhimmism and support for an absolute state to protect them. That is a logical outcome of their self-hatred. Logic isn’t always the same as common sense or common decency.

blick

Ray, What you said about Jews embracing their identity provides a glimpse into maybe why Jews are so liberal. If they truly embraced their Jewish Identity then they would have to get serious about their history, their God, their Worship, the Torah. I suspect, not being serious, the opposite is wishful thinking akin to liberalism.

ymarsakar

A lot of foreigners are programmed by the media propaganda and main sewer m, same as local Americans are.

When a Leftist shuts up, it’s usually because they have run out of propaganda to spew back at you. So they will call up their manager, supervisor, or Master, and ask them what they should do and say. Tomorrow, they will get back at you with the response. Not their response, but the message they were Ordered to Say to you.

Most of my responses are unorthodox or stealthy, so a Leftist would 99% of the time prefer to chat with Danny or Charles here. Mostly because they can utilize the standard propaganda fit of Leftist slaves to do the job, whereas against me, there’s no stock answer or debate trick they can utilize. They know it. I know it.

Eric-Odessit

I call my guns “anti-Holocaust insurance”. And that is what I teach my kids.