PHOENIX -- Voters could get the right to overrule federal laws and mandates under the terms of an initiative filed late Thursday.

The Arizona Constitution already says the federal Constitution "is the supreme law of the land." This measure, if approved in November, it would add language saying that federal document may not be violated by any government -- including the federal government.

More to the point, it would allow Arizonans "to reject any federal action that they determine violates the United States Constitution."

That could occur through a vote of the state House and Senate with consent of the governor.

But that also could occur through a popular vote on a ballot measure, effectively allowing voters to decide which federal laws they feel infringe on Arizona's rights as a sovereign state.

Oh-oh... The seeds of a Civil War? God helpus. Obama's Executive Order Goon-Gestapo coming to Arizona to enforce edicts of THE ONE? I will have my digital camera ready for the drone that buzzes my house here in Republica Popular de California.. after posting this...

Well the next thing the legislature of Stalinists is going to consider is a new state flag. Politically incorrect to have a bear without the bear's permission. All speakers of the bear language have died out, or are all running their lucrative casinos. So we have to have a new flag without a bear. Instead we will use the undead, which is regularly contacted by many officials in all levels of state government, with an addition of the hammer and sickle to show the one-party pride in this state.

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posted on 07/06/2012 9:46:59 PM PDT
by BigEdLB
(Now there ARE 1,000,000 regrets - but it may be too late.)

This has been tried before. Twice. I think we’ve learned just who has the bigger stick. Arizona is dependent on the Federal government anyway through block-grants. This is the 21st century. The feds don’t need to resort to anything as crude as using direct force. All they have to do is hold back funding until Arizona gives in- and give in they will.

I find it interesting that none of this is necessary in a constitutional republic. Conservatives didn’t create this dilemma. Most of us would be OK, for example, if California voted to go Communist so long as the rest of our states were left alone. The current crisis can be blamed ENTIRELY on the left who are intent on forcing everyone, in every state, to bend to the leftist’s will. Even worse, these evil control freaks want to up their game to a global scale.

“I find it interesting that none of this is necessary in a constitutional republic. Conservatives didnt create this dilemma. Most of us would be OK, for example, if California voted to go Communist so long as the rest of our states were left alone. The current crisis can be blamed ENTIRELY on the left who are intent on forcing everyone, in every state, to bend to the leftists will. Even worse, these evil control freaks want to up their game to a global scale.”

I agree whole heatedly. Let California create their own version of hell on earth for themselves and themselves alone for all I care. Any virtuous Californian needs to make like Lot and leave while they still can.

Eventually when the corrupt people of that state hit bottom the state will reform itself.

Thanks AAC! Pinging the group to a good idea whose time has come, well, way past time but, better late than never. But, what to do about our tax dollars being used as extortion and intimidation to coerce "proper" behavior by the states...

Arizona once again leading the charge!

Please ~ping~ me to articles relating to the 10th Amendment/States Rights so I can engage the pinger.

I find it interesting that none of this is necessary in a constitutional republic. Conservatives didnt create this dilemma. Most of us would be OK, for example, if California voted to go Communist so long as the rest of our states were left alone. The current crisis can be blamed ENTIRELY on the left who are intent on forcing everyone, in every state, to bend to the leftists will. Even worse, these evil control freaks want to up their game to a global scale.

That is it in a nutshell. When EVERYTHING has been nationalized the stakes are very high indeed.

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posted on 07/07/2012 4:21:49 AM PDT
by central_va
( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)

Can NOT be done. Supremacy clause. Unconstitutional on its face. We want to make changes? lets not do the fundamentally stupid. It is a waste of time.

Ah, not exactly!

Supremacy Clause:

Article 6, paragraph 2

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.

Many use this clause when arguing that all laws written by the US Congress are supreme over any other. This is true, only in so far as when Federal laws are Constitutional.

If congress passes an unconstitutional law, in other words, a law that is passed which requires power not enumerated to the Federal government in the Constitution, this is an unlawful law, it is null and void; and neither the States, nor the people are obligated to abide by it.

Thomas Jefferson made the following statement regarding powers assumed by the Federal government (not enumerated by the Constitution):

Whenever the General Government assumes undelegated powers,ITS ACTS ARE UNAUTHORITATIVE, VOID AND OF NO FORCE."

I agree it can be HOT! (vs. hot), but I spent 6 years in SW Oklahoma and 105 felt better there than 95 with 95% humidity does here. It’s depressing when you step out of the house at 5 AM and your underwear are “stuck” within 5 steps...

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posted on 07/07/2012 5:06:50 AM PDT
by trebb
("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)

And who determines what federal laws are unconstitutional? Not the states, that has been determined in a long string of court cases going back to the earliest days of the Republic.

Roberts has rendered the Constitution moot. If he can grant fictitious powers to the Feds then I as a citizen will look to the state houses for relief. Finding none there then the last "box" will have to be employed.

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posted on 07/07/2012 6:36:45 AM PDT
by central_va
( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)

“The feds dont need to resort to anything as crude as using direct force....”

Ya might want to think about that a little bit...

“... in May 2010 “ the US federal budget deficit was $83 billion, or about $8.90 per person per day. Now the Washington Times (hat tip: the American Thinker) reports that the US government has posted its largest monthly deficit in history, $223 billion in February. Now that means that the US government borrowed nearly $26 per person per day. “

And who determines what federal laws are unconstitutional? Not the states, that has been determined in a long string of court cases going back to the earliest days of the Republic.

Well no, obviously not the federal government; otherwise they will construe the Constitution to allow anything.... just as Obamacare shows. I think there's another way to force the issue, and it involves the next step on the immigration issue: the USSC declared that the state couldn't enforce Federal laws... but they said nothing about prohibiting the State from defending itself from invasion.

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posted on 07/07/2012 8:31:30 AM PDT
by OneWingedShark
(Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)

The Arizona Constitution already says the federal Constitution "is the supreme law of the land." This measure, if approved in November, it would add language saying that federal document may not be violated by any government -- including the federal government.

More to the point, it would allow Arizonans "to reject any federal action that they determine violates the United States Constitution."

We could be seeing the return fire in what appears to be a looming, potential civil war. However, this raises some interesting questions. Let's assume that, in Nov., the voters throw zero out on his keester and the new administration is, shall we say, "friendlier" to the red states than zero has been. Additionally, let's assume that the AZ voters approve this initiative.

When the new administration is sworn in, will the AZ governor sign this bill? Right now, passions are high and people are ready to jump. But, if zero is thrown out, those passions could quickly die off and this bill might get "lost" on the governor's desk.

That's one "what-if" scenario. The other scenrio involves the passage of the initiative and zero manages to remain in the WH. How far are both sides actually willing to go in this "turf" war?

The Constitution was established with the concept of sovereign states, but it has been subverted to have the states ruled from DC.

Pretty much a given IMHO since the states via their delegations created the feral government. Not the first time a created vessel has rebelled against its creator. Babel on the Potomac will somehow have to be brought to heel but with so many states and people beholden to the federales by way of a carrot generated from confiscated taxes, it won't be a pretty sight. The feral tentacles reaching into EVERYTHING we and the states do has created a fur ball that will be hard to cough up.

The emasculation of the states and We The People by our feral leaders AND their media enablers has brought us to a precipice. Many of the states; even those that might want to, will not unilaterally choose to assert their powers under the Constitution until they are pretty sure their respective citizens are behind them. It's up to US to apply the pressure. There are a lot of states who have no intentions of standing up because for whatever reasons, are on board the centralized government train.

God help us...

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posted on 07/07/2012 11:05:54 AM PDT
by ForGod'sSake
(You have only two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!!!)

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