"Ay is also ruled out by Mohamed El-Saghir. According to Mohamed El-Saghir, Ay would not have killed the king as Ay assisted the pharaoh with personal and important rituals. He goes on to say, "There is insufficient evidence that he is guilty. He was the high priest and was, moreover, the one who wrote Tutankhamen's negative confession and performed his ‘opening of the mouth’ ceremony.” If Ay and Horemheb are ruled out, then how else might have King Tut died?"

My thoughts: The above passage is interesting, but they can not say that just beacause Ay assisted tut in important rituals means he did not kill him. what is Ay, was planning this murder for years and acted as if he was friends with Tut, so that he would not be accused of the murder. Bascially, he wanted people to think he would NEVER do this to tut. Whetther he poisened him or smashed his skull, we do not know, but don't asume that Ay was dumb and wouldn't trick and decieve. Ay wanted the throne and would do whatever he could to get it, even if it ment, MURDER! _________________Tut was 50% king, 50% achiever! Im just 100% acheiver!

Um, excuse me for a moment, but...what's this obsession with Ay? I'm really curious, I mean, I never met ANYONE who was so passionate about Ay killing Tut. And I'm being completely serious, dude, I really need to know...why Ay? _________________How does it FEEL to lose the one who understood you the MOST? He died to protect you, and YOU were supposed to protect HIM. What a shame...

lol awww the questions I recieve. well maybe you should read some of my later entries. It may be under king-aye-alok56 or tut-aye-alok56 idk which one! But im sorry i don't fel like explaining my self 100000 times._________________Tut was 50% king, 50% achiever! Im just 100% acheiver!

Yet in many topics you posted, you have. So what difference does it make now if you did?

And I'm NOT asking about your theory, I wanna know how in God's Green Earth did you come up with it. I mean, Ay in history was Tut's relative. Sure, he had the means and the motive to murder Tut, but there are OTHER suspects. Horemheb, for example: I believe he did it due to the fact that Ay's tomb was desecrated during Horemheb's reign and his face carved out.

Hell, it would've been cool if Ay and Horemheb worked as a team of canniving bastards.

But this I'm gonna admit now before my sore ass is bitten, that this is pure speculation (to qoute a page from Osiris II's book). We can only IMAGINE what happened back then. Ay isn't gonna come back and say "Hey! I did/didn't kill Tut, Ok!?" Dead men tell no tales.

Argh. I be a pirate.

Anyway, to my question:

1. ALL theories aside, how did you concieve that Ay killed Tut?

2. How is Ay buried in Tut's tomb if Ay wasn't found yet?

3. How can you be certain it was poison? Watch the documentary "King Tut's last secrets revealed", and you'll see what I mean.

4. You may as well just say either: You had an "encounter" with Ay's ghost (*Snicker snicker*), that you beleive to be the reincarnation of Ay, or you just made this up out of boredom. Which?

You seem like a fun kid, and I'm not trying to be hard on you, but seriously I need to know WHAT exactly is in your head as your typing this stuff. Seriously, you are obsessed with Ay, you sound like a fangirl.

...Not that he would mind, and if you're a boy then better yet.

And as for me, Ay is a character in my graphic novel, and I gave him the role of molesting-I mean "guiding" Tut.

I did NOT base it off the Catholic priests! There, I said it!

But DO go on....explain what's in your head...*Stare*_________________How does it FEEL to lose the one who understood you the MOST? He died to protect you, and YOU were supposed to protect HIM. What a shame...

oh goodness. Well first of all I came up with my theory last year all thanks to my wonderful SS teacher!

"It was a beatiful winter day and I sat at my desk in SS mod 7/8 and continued from my note passing the previous day. My teacher just began teaching his lesson that I had no interst in what-so-ever. (The lesson was on King tut and all that stuff) well anyway, Then he satared reading his interesting story he wrote about his years in middleschool, at first i thought, well I didn't care , then his story got truly interesting. he went on and on about his time travels through locker 13 that stills stands in the back of his room. Well the story is long so the main catch is that him and his friends were in tuts tomb and they saw who killed tut, how, and he died, and they pushed aye into the casket to be forever more. Howard Carter later discovered tuts tomb and in a picture it proves that he studied a watch that my teaches best friend left on the tomb and ppl think Im crazy and just don't know what im talking about, but the locker in that class room still echoes the noises of ancient egypt and it bangs, and moves. Once when I had my ear up to the locker listen to noises inside, the two doors bent out and puntured my ear. no one was near it to hit it hard enough and since then, you can try, but no one can ever convince me that locker 13 in the back of theat classroom is a normal locker!"

Also, Have you ever read the poem the raven by poe? well that poem is similar to what my teacher experienced in a weird since. Also during their travels in eqypt, a raven was always around them. Now my teach needs to find a new keeper of time, because that is wahta he is, a keeper of time. He is a 6th grader stuck in a 42 year olds body. he needs to get back so he can live his life. Crazy, but true. Ok I told you byt never say it not true because... it is... really.... but its hard for ppl to b leave! _________________Tut was 50% king, 50% achiever! Im just 100% acheiver!

Understandably, and I would like to have a personal chat with this teacher of yours.

Also, I'm not quite sure of the significance of the raven. Is that supposed to represent Ay? And, where did the locker thing come from? I'm just a little...confused, shall we say?

Usually with weird stuff, I need to SEE it before my very eyes to believe it. Nice little story, though. Time travel is hard to come by these days, especially to a lot of us, as far as we know, it doesn't exist. Gasp!

And if it did, Einstein destroyed anything on it, because from what I heard he said mankind wasn't READY for something like that yet. Mankind is too greedy and ignorant to use such a complex thing.

But...in a LOCKER? O_o

For all I know, you made this up for sh*ts and giggles. I don't appreciate liars. You, my friend, need a little thing called PROOF. And if I were you, if I discovered something huge like time travel, I wouldn't blab it to people. Especially if the GOVERNMENT can moniter the interent and phonelines. I wouldn't be surprised if the CIA and the FBI came knocking at your door, with some nice people with a straitjacket.

Point being, BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU SAY TO PEOPLE.

...Okies? ^_^ Just a friendly suggestion._________________How does it FEEL to lose the one who understood you the MOST? He died to protect you, and YOU were supposed to protect HIM. What a shame...

Amen, Tutness, and well said!!
But I think you may be beating a dead horse! All of poster's messages caused me to have various questions, at first. But after repeated off the wall comments, I learned to ignore them!

Amen, Tutness, and well said!!
But I think you may be beating a dead horse! All of poster's messages caused me to have various questions, at first. But after repeated off the wall comments, I learned to ignore them!

Osiris, I dedicated that post to you, because you seemed to get the biggest headache. I send you MASSIVE hugs.

And no, not beating...just poking it with a large stick. ^_^ I'm sorry, I couldn't resist, but I think this guy will learn thier lesson.

....HUGS. _________________How does it FEEL to lose the one who understood you the MOST? He died to protect you, and YOU were supposed to protect HIM. What a shame...

Ha HA HA... Listen you asked and I don't care if anyone believes me... And I don't really believe the whole time travel buisness, My teacher was just good at making us pay attention. But I do know that my teacher has un explainable proof. But as far as im concerned, you dnt kno dipweed!_________________Tut was 50% king, 50% achiever! Im just 100% acheiver!

Ha HA HA... Listen you asked and I don't care if anyone believes me... And I don't really believe the whole time travel buisness, My teacher was just good at making us pay attention. But I do know that my teacher has un explainable proof. But as far as im concerned, you dnt kno dipweed!

And YOU listen, you inconsiderate, ignorant and insignificant little S**T, until you learn HOW to spell, HOW to rationalize in a mature manner and when you GROW THE F**K UP, THEN, AND ONLY THEN, WILL I EVER LISTEN TO YOU!!!

As for your teacher, he needs therapy. There are other ways of making the class pay attention, and I'm surprised that the administrators let this go on. And WHY is there a LOCKER in the CLASSROOM?! Teachers generally DON'T do that!! Don't you DARE come in this forum and LIE TO US!! We have better discussions, and better things to do on here then you SPAMMING the entire Pharaohs forum with this "Ay killed Tut" crap, let alone the time travelling teacher nonsense!! Enough is enough, shut the HELL up!! PLEASE, for the LOVE of OSIRIS!!!

Osiris II, I owe you dinner, do you happen to live in the NJ area? I think we're done with this lying little F**K. And yes, I am thoroughly pissed off. Again, I owe you dinner. _________________How does it FEEL to lose the one who understood you the MOST? He died to protect you, and YOU were supposed to protect HIM. What a shame...

I hope that a** gets the message!
You're so right--that teacher needs mental help--and soon!
Wonder if the school board knows that he/she lays such crap on young people? Parents should be made aware of this, and complain. Young people have enough in their lives to contend with, without being fed such stuff.

I hope that a** gets the message!
You're so right--that teacher needs mental help--and soon!
Wonder if the school board knows that he/she lays such crap on young people? Parents should be made aware of this, and complain. Young people have enough in their lives to contend with, without being fed such stuff.

Ah, well...if you're in the NJ area at some point, remind me!

Just so ya know, Osiris, you are my buddy. And I'm so sorry you had to put up with this. It's fustrating, like talking to a wall with a broken record installed in it somewhere. As for the teacher, I don't understand HOW he gets away with a LOCKER in his classroom. I wonder if he stole it...hehe.

...Anyone looking for a stolen locker? Ask the AY FANGIRL! _________________How does it FEEL to lose the one who understood you the MOST? He died to protect you, and YOU were supposed to protect HIM. What a shame...

yes yes... btw, the lockers was his... you asked for my reason.. and I do not appreciate that at all. This is a communities website and that manner and language should not be tolerated. Yes I should not have put such ideas or stories on either and im sorry for that, but no one has to believe them. Do not critize me when you asked me about it in the first place. If you do not wish to hear such nonsense then please do not ask about it. I am sorry that you do not exept my idea in this forum, but they are MY ideas and I do not care at all if anyone else agrees with them or not. So please either respect me in a mature manner or do not bother asking to begin with._________________Tut was 50% king, 50% achiever! Im just 100% acheiver!