5% of the Population is Gay...Will Gay People ever stop pushing their Agenda?

tothetenthpowerreply to post by TheWrightWing
Your argument against it, is emotional and religious, which is simply not good enough, against an argument of legally fair representation and access
to services.

~Tenth

You wish.

Incorrect again. The only argument your sort are prepared for is based on that false assumption.

You got it right the first time "Marriage ought to be abolished" which is the end goal of the whole "gay marriage rights" movement.

It's an old leftist strategy: The state is your family, thus the traditional family must be phased out in the name of Progress. Hitler knew it, Stalin
knew it.

Democrats are brazenly open about this these days.

That's why I changed it. I thought twice about it and decided just straight-up abolishing marriage is tantamount to violating constitutional rights.
It's a religious practice, which we all have the right to participate in. Freedom of religion ring a bell? That means religious practices, too. And
marriage qualifies as such. That doesn't mean marriage has to be maintained as a standard of official union between spouses. Keep marriage inside the
churches and instate civil union certification as the standard procedure for legalizing the joining of couples in the eyes of the government.

I'm talking about the current incarnation of the marriage process. I was going to say something about that, but I guessed wrong when I assumed I
wouldn't have to. Marriage is an inherent element of any and all religions, except for those which forbid marriage (I don't know if any like that
exist). That means marriage qualifies as a religious practice, which means it is constitutionally sanctioned as a right.

As with all leftist agendas, they are built upon a foundation of untruths.

I would HIGHLY suggest that you keep your political trolling to yourself, it's become QUITE tiresome.

Someone who refuses to marry you is not violating your civil rights.

YES it is, if they are denying me based on sexual orientation, as the sexual orientation is a PROTECTED thing under the law.

It's not hard to understand.

The Government CANNOT legally, exclude homosexuals from marriage, because THEY chose to create a legal institution and service around it. They MUST
provide equality under the law for all those involved or who want to get involved in this government program.

You can tell me it's not true until your blue in the face, but it doesn't matter. These are facts.

Marriage ought to be reclassified as a religious practice, in the same style as confession and communion. Civil union certifications all the way.
Either you pay for the right to be legally recognized as a couple, or you just put on a ring and consider yourself married from that day forward.

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Honestly, I see nothing wrong with that idea. A lot of crap could be eliminated by this.

Marriage, the forming of a familial unit, is simply a successful tribal survival reflex.

Among other successful tribal reflexes: eliminating threats to the tribe.

The proof is in the pudding.

And now, after 100's of 1,000's of years of evolution... leftists demand we devolve.

If the purpose of marriage in today's society were to eliminate threat to the tribe, we would be a polygamous society. The fact that we limit
ourselves to a maximum of one spouse at any given time demonstrates the error of your claim. What I am suggesting is reclassifying marriage as a
religious practice. Not do away with it altogether.

I would HIGHLY suggest that you keep your political trolling to yourself, it's become QUITE tiresome.

This is apolitical discussion, the gay agenda is a politically driven agenda, pointing out the origins of political alignment in a political
discussion about a political topic is not trolling, and entirely on topic.

Leftism and conservatism are very real ideologies that drive political forces, they both have accurate descriptions and a historically recorded track
records to cite.

I don't mean to upset you, but I cannot pretend facts are something they are not.

If the purpose of marriage in today's society were to eliminate threat to the tribe, we would be a polygamous society.

Eliminating threats to the tribe was simply another example of tribal survival reflex.

I did not suggest that family unit formation was that, at least not directly that. In a way, it could be seen as that, but there are more direct
actions of the tribe that eliminate perceived threats, generally.

Ok, I'm not the smartest feller and I don't claim to be. Maybe "civil" is not the right context that I'm shooting for. What I'm trying to get at
is that in most states, gays are not allowed to enter a legal marriage under state and federal laws that straight people can. They are denied this
because of their sexual orientation and that is not right IMHO.

I apologize and should be more careful when posting in a public forum in a heated haste.

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