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Re: Irsay Still Sucks!

I've posted this before and I'll post it again realizing everyone grieves differently. But I never remember the day my father and brother died. I never even remember their birthdays. I remember them, love them, and I miss them. But the practice of putting a date to mourn in my opinion, or be angry on those days is not what they would have wanted. They would have wanted me to go on, live a happy productive life, and that is what I strive to do.

Former Colts fans that call themselves Raven's fans truly haven't gotten over the loss and and anger, thus, how can you truly be a real Raven fan and have believed to have celebrated every touchdown, every big play, every legendary moment, and two Super Bowls? You haven't. You are cheating yourself by not embracing the happiness and joy we have in not only having a football team, but a great team as well. Hate will only consume you. Let go and then you yourself can be free.

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Yea, I feel bad for the Browns and like a hypocrite and 2-bit whore but Tags made us do it. Had he done the right thing and put expansion teams in St Louis and Bmore, the two cities that lost teams, the original Browns would still be in Cleveland and the Rams would still be in LA. It's embarrassing that the NFL has no team in the 2d largest market in the country while baseball has two - The Dodgers and Angels.

In fact, a lot of old Colts fans refused to embrace the Ravens because they were so embarrassed that we stole them but I wasn't one of those guys. I wanted a team - period and as I posted many times I used to spend $10,000 pr yr following the Ravens around the country with Mista T and 100 other Raven Maniacs. We've been to almost every stadium in the country and T just celebrated the SB 47 victory in NO partying with those maniacs after just getting out of a long hospital stay and being ill. Now that's an old Colts fan who loves the Ravens even more than the young guys. He finally got to go to a Super Bowl. We celebrate all the trophies the Ravens have and all the ones the Colts got. We have more trophies from two franchises than St Louis or anyone else.

I just wonder how many SBs and how much money Captain Silver has spent following the Ravens around the country and I wonder if he has been to every World Series game played in this town like I have going back to their original series in 66.

We tried to do it right and were screwed in a rigged expansion derby so we had to blast our way in and that has kept Tags out of the HOF - that and putting teams in Charlotte and Jacksonville with all those empty seats while the old cities that lost teams now fill their stadiums up.

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Does anyone feel anything for the reactivated browns who only had 2 winning seasons?

It must be bad for them to lose essentially the FO and then get beat down twice annually by the ravens and watch us win 2 SBs in at time. Ouch.

When the year comes that the Browns are in the playoffs and the Ravens are out, I will root for the Browns to win the whole thing. A lot of my bitterness towards the Indy Colts faded when we won the Super Bowl. I think it faded even more with the second one. The fans in Cleveland are really good football fans. I think I would be bitter too if I had to root for that crap franchise year in and year out. If they had a little something to look forward to in the present or future, they probably would let go some of their grudges about the past.

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29 years ago tomorrow the Mayflower Vans rolled out of Owings Mills and the Baltimore Colts were gone. I still wince from the pain every once in awhile. I still wanna smash Buffoon Bob just once in his pimply face. I still want the name, the colors, and OUR history retired. I loved that team.

Next year will make 3 decades since the move - the same amount of time that the Baltimore Colts played here believe it or not. To me that franchise no longer exists, except in our hearts.

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The Colt hate really is only held onto now by the older generation. More and more younger fans just don't care or don't even remember the Colts playing in Baltimore. Hell, most of the players today were born well after the move. It may sound callous, but as time goes on and the older folks who grew up with the Colts pass on, it will become even more of a footnote.

We finally beat them in the playoffs and just won our second Lombardi. The city bleeds purple and we have one of the best-run franchises in the NFL, with arguably the best owner/GM tandem going. Holding onto that grudge just ain't healthy.

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Originally Posted by Ravenswintitle

We just beat them in the playoffs and went on to win the SB. Demon exorcised in my book

Very good point Phi.

In 2006 i was very much wrapped around the idea that it was finally payback time. Many fans showed alot of hatred towards Peyton Manning and the players and that wasn't right. It looked like we had everything going for us but we lost. Bad karma i thought. Time to let it go.

When we beat the Indy's in the playoffs this year i honestly didn't even think about the hate, the move, the old Colts or nuthin. I was focused on being exceedingly happy that the Ravens had overcome some pretty big setbacks this season to even get to the playoffs and winning at least one game. I was extremely pleased that the GOAT got to celebrate a victory in his last home game. The guys on the other side of the field was just another team that we beat in one of the most memorable moments in Baltimore Ravens history.

But good, bad or indifferent - history is still history. What happened that night in March 29 years ago really did happen and it changed our lives - i think for the better. The memories i have of the Baltimore Colts and the move doesn't detract from my love and enjoyment of the Baltimore Ravens one tiny little bit. I think that if you asked anyone who knows me they would say that if anything it intensifies my passion for our football team a hundred fold.

But i will always remember how we felt that morning when we learned our team had been stolen away in the middle of the night and the resolve it instilled in us to get another team and never let it go.

Go Ravens!

Last edited by Real Fan Dan; 03-29-2013 at 10:12 AM.

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I am starting to think that holding on the hate is an old man's thing.

.... ducking .....

I mean, seriously, 29th is not exactly a landmark anniversary year. 30th I can understand, but 29th?!?!

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Imagine this. Would your new spouse really appreciated you opining year after year about your ex? Every year at this time she'd have to hear how great the glory days were all the while you're wearing the shirt they bought for you.

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Irsay was an abusive spouse. Let it go, Man. You'll be happier for it!

You can let the spouse go! Good fucking riddance to Irsay and his Klan. But the Children and their history of accomplishments that the ex ripped from your heart - you can NEVER forget or get over your children. If Irsay is the Ex, the players are your children. To have your children's history stolen is what is unexcuseable.

I am 1000% happier having the Ravens and their ownership than I ever could have been with any team anywhere that is owned by a Irsay, but I am still pissed about Irsay stealing my children and their history.

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Dan, I didn't click on the link to look at the pics and I didn't really read your reasons carefully, but I agree with your premise, Irsay sucks.

I say that without any real feeling, just a statement of fact.

Here's how I look at it: Irsay sucks like my ex-wife sucks.

At one time I felt very angry and could drone on and on with bitterness. Eventually, I gave up the negative feelings and even started to realize, hey, maybe I'm better off getting the chance to move onto something better. Which grew into, I know I'm better off now.

I don't even want to look at the old photos anymore. I still have some good old memories, but I'm happy to have moved on.

So, while I don't disagree with your premise -- Irsay still sucks -- I am more enthusiastic about the flip side of the same coin...Thank God We Got Bisciotti!

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Originally Posted by Losac

The Colt hate really is only held onto now by the older generation. More and more younger fans just don't care or don't even remember the Colts playing in Baltimore. Hell, most of the players today were born well after the move. It may sound callous, but as time goes on and the older folks who grew up with the Colts pass on, it will become even more of a footnote.

We finally beat them in the playoffs and just won our second Lombardi. The city bleeds purple and we have one of the best-run franchises in the NFL, with arguably the best owner/GM tandem going. Holding onto that grudge just ain't healthy.

I wouldn't expect "young" fans to care about the old Colts. They didn't live through it. Much like I wouldn't expect a 15-year old Browns fan to dislike the Ravens any more than another division opponent.

But I was an adult on March 28, 1984. I remember what that felt like. And I also lived through not having football for 12 years.

"Holding a grudge ain't healthy"? What does that mean really? Do you think we Colt fans from back then have been stewing and stressing for 30 years? Because I don't. But when the Irsays play I always hope they lose (unless them winning helps the Ravens). I still don't like the Irsays. Never will. How is any of this unhealthy?

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But I was an adult on March 28, 1984. I remember what that felt like. And I also lived through not having football for 12 years.

Understood. I was just 2 when the move happened, and can't even imagine how awful and painful it would be to see the Ravens leaving town like that today.

Originally Posted by camdenyard

"Holding a grudge ain't healthy"? What does that mean really? Do you think we Colt fans from back then have been stewing and stressing for 30 years? Because I don't. But when the Irsays play I always hope they lose (unless them winning helps the Ravens). I still don't like the Irsays. Never will. How is any of this unhealthy?

Everyone is different, but some just take the hate too far I think. I've heard a few old-timers say they'd still take the Colts name/colors/logo back for our team and would just scrap everything about the Ravens. That's just crazy to me.

The venom spewed at Peyton Manning and company in 2006 for that playoff game was over the top. It became about exorcising 12 years of demons and getting revenge on a dead guy instead of a playoff game for the Ravens.

Putting "Indy" on the scoreboards was just petty and lame and made us look like chumps. Was glad they did away with that.

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Originally Posted by Losac

Everyone is different, but some just take the hate too far I think. I've heard a few old-timers say they'd still take the Colts name/colors/logo back for our team and would just scrap everything about the Ravens. That's just crazy to me.

I do agree with this. If offered the Colts name and colors now, I would put them in grave. They died in 1984.

The venom spewed at Peyton Manning and company in 2006 for that playoff game was over the top. It became about exorcising 12 years of demons and getting revenge on a dead guy instead of a playoff game for the Ravens.

Blame the media for most of that. They whipped people into a frenzy. Now, the idiots that hoisted a Mayflower flag in Lot J that day got some venom that was well deserved. You noticed that the whole revenge thing was in short supply in the media for the last WC game. As a result the game was like any other playoff game. It did feel good to get that monkey off our backs, though.

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I'm not one of the old timers who wants the name and colors back now instead of the RAvens. They have made their own history and in grand fashion and are currently the top organization in pro sports.

I just want the name, colors and history retired or at least the history retired so we have our own little corner in the HOF that says Baltimore Colts. The only thing there now is a pic of the 1959 NFL Championship game that says it was played in Baltimore.

It was the 58 and 59 Championship games that started the NFL to equal status as baseball and basketball as a major league sport and would later pass them all as America's game. It all started in Baltimore and we have nothing that says it.

Indy fans claim the SB 5 trophy even though it is residing in Baltimore.