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The only full employees are Marcel Werk, Alexander Ebert and Andrea Berg. And Andrea doesn't do development but instead customer services. Tim Düsterhues isn't a full time employee, and neither is Matthias Schmidt to my knowledge.

So yeah, the main product of WL is Burning board, and I'd rather have them deliver a really superb forum software then trying to do to many things at once and not getting anything done "right". Yes, it's nice to have a blog that integrates nicely into the framework. But expecting it to be on par with Wordpress is just unrealistic, even in the long term. Look how many developers are working on Wordpress, and it is still crap compared to many paid alternatives (and even some free).

WP is nice for hosted blogs, but once you really try to customize it it shows it's ugly face over and over again. Typo3 ftw...

"A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP" — Leonard Nimoy

The only full employees are Marcel Werk, Alexander Ebert and Andrea Berg. And Andrea doesn't do development but instead customer services. Tim Düsterhues isn't a full time employee, and neither is Matthias Schmidt to my knowledge.

So yeah, the main product of WL is Burning board, and I'd rather have them deliver a really superb forum software then trying to do to many things at once and not getting anything done "right". Yes, it's nice to have a blog that integrates nicely into the framework. But expecting it to be on par with Wordpress is just unrealistic, even in the long term. Look how many developers are working on Wordpress, and it is still crap compared to many paid alternatives (and even some free).

WP is nice for hosted blogs, but once you really try to customize it it shows it's ugly face over and over again. Typo3 ftw...

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I don't believe in doing things just to get by... I believe if you're going to do things, you should do things right the 1st time.

You're telling me there are 3 full time developers, plus 2 part time developers. So that's 5 developers. It's more than enough.

XF with three developers has one application (calender) less and they used zend as a framework where woltlab has created a own one, so i don´t see that point XF is "better". And they purchased the galley, it´s not an own development.

You're telling me there are 3 full time developers, plus 2 part time developers. So that's 5 developers. It's more than enough.

No, please read my post again. There are three full time employees. Andrea doesnt do development, she is only doing customer services. So you have two full time devs and two part time devs, whose exakt working times are unkown. But looking at the code, I wouldn't count them as more then a half-time employee both together. As far as I know, Tim pretty much only does the importers and related stuff, and nothing elese (he may be working on the CLI thing).

I hate bringing up xenforo, because their support sucks, but they spit out code with only 3 developers

Last time I was able to look at the XF code was shortly prior to their 1.0 release. Their code was crap. I mean really crap.

And xF didn't do it right first time. They brought the experience over from vB (hence the lawsuit they faced at launch). And, as @wwdc pointed out, they didn't develop the gallry in-house but rather bought it. So they have little to offer in terms of actual genuine ideas and development. Not saying xF is bad, but I'd go for IP.B every time over xF. And iirc they don#t have a gallery at all.

I think we don#t need to talk about vB, so that leaves only IP.B. Which not only has about three times the manpower (or two times, however you want to count the two part time devs), and is much more costly. And it still has it quirks and issues and can be a pain in the ass from time to time.

And to be fair, IP.B isn't on par with worpress (and definitely not typo3) either, at least not the last time I checked (which has been some time).

"A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory. LLAP" — Leonard Nimoy

My point is this... The moment you expect less, accept less, you're going to get less. I want more and I would love it if you all wanted more, expected more, and in turn you'd have better odds of getting more.

Lets use some logic here and use the term full time equivalent workers. Woltlab has two full time developers and two part time developers. If these part time developers each spend half the time working on programming that Woltlab considers a full time developer then they have three Full time equivalent developers. No logical person will state they have 4 developers and saying that they have 4 developers does not make sense.

Now let's discuss the fact that badgering them about how disappointed you are in their performance is rude. This is a great development team that has implemented almost everything one could ask for in the product.

Now let's discuss the fact that badgering them about how disappointed you are in their performance is rude.

I think you misunderstand...

Constructive criticism is a must in all developments. So is feedback.

When someone does great... I'm going to be the most vocal person telling people how wonderful I think something is. I'm going to reach such a level, that you'd think I was advertizing or worked for the company.

However, when someone falls short... I'm going to be the most vocal person to draw attention where the ball was dropped and what improvements are needed to such a level that it cannot be easily ignored or dismissed.