Regardless of Your Stance on Bundy Ranch 2.0, Supporting the Bureau of Land Management is Wrong

This week, militia members have begun a standoff with federal agents after occupying Malheur National Wildlife Refuge HQ in Oregon. The protesters are refusing to leave and are demonstrating against the impending imprisonment of two ranchers, and the overreaching policies of The Bureau of Land Management, a federal agency that has been appropriating land for their own benefit.

The organization claims that they are environmentalists and that their goal is conservation. However, they have made many moves over the past several years that expose their true motives. Not only are they responsible for killing protected species of animals, but they also regularly sell off land that they have appropriated to fracking companies that will obviously be destroying the ecosystem.

In 2013, it was reported that the BLM sold 29 federal land leases which covered more than 56 square miles in northeast Nevada. The agency itself reported that the oil and gas leases in Elko County sold for $1.27 million to six different companies.

Every single one of these leases was purchased under the pretense that they would be used for natural gas fracking, a process that is known to contaminate water supplies and destroy local ecosystems. The BLM claims that they are seizing land to preserve it for environmental protection. However, it is evident that environmental protection is not their goal if they are selling vast areas of land to fracking companies.

That same year the BLM was sued in California for their business with fracking companies. According to the lawsuit, the BLM violated the National Environmental Policy Act by turning over federally protected land to fracking companies.

Researchers at Berkley reported, “The Northern District of California court held that when BLM sold four leases in 2011 for 2,700 acres of federal land in Monterey and Fresno counties, it violated NEPA by relying on outdated environmental reviews that did not address the increased prevalence of fracking in California and nationwide. The court found that BLM’s dismissal of development scenarios involving fracking as “outside of its jurisdiction” was insufficient to provide the “hard look” at environmental consequences required by NEPA.”

According to Berkley’s research, the BLM manages approximately 248 million acres and is responsible for about 700 million acres of subsurface mineral resources in the United States. These lands and resources are not held for conservation purposes, but instead large areas are auctioned off to fracking companies.

When plans to euthanize these animals were made public, there was a massive backlash, and the BLM decided against killing the tortoises, and instead released them into the wild.

It is very common for government “wildlife preservation” organizations to exterminate animals. In fact, in November, we reported on the BLM getting caught selling off hundreds of wild horses to be slaughtered in Mexico.

The rhetoric and public relations campaigns put forward by organizations such as the BLM are crafted to portray government agents as environmentalist crusaders, when in reality, many actions that these organizations take impact the environment and its creatures in a negative way.

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If you support one you really should support the other. Quit noticing the difference and start noticing the similarities. Individuals persecuted by the government. If you point out the difference the government is the winner and both white ranchers and black lives matter will loss. We should not divide ourselves.
Support all those that stand against tyranny – don’t support the tyrants

These welfare ranchers have been abusing the land we all own and the privilege of using it, now pretending to be victims. They’re just a bunch of money-grubbing corporate cattle men who don’t want anyone telling them how many cows on the land they don’t own, telling them when to rotate them, because they’re killing land that belongs to all of us and refusing to pay the lease fees, even. Freeloading wannabe cattle barons.

Um, no we do, ranging from water usage to state grazing fees. How are you gonna tell a ranch hand bullshit when he is telling you we do? We pay the state not the feds because that land belongs to the state.

And still not one mention as to why the disgusting #HAMMONDS Arrived at the federal prison 1/4/16 to begin sentence for : Insurance fraud , is it illegal to torch your own ranch? When it is to collect monies for it , YES . Is it morally wrong to leave all your livestock to burn to death? YES! For a higher pay out ! Was it stupidity to not think that fire would jump the line and start burning a wildlife reserve? YES ! Killing the deer , rabbits , majestic pines protected by state and federal levels! Just as they are hunting on a protected reserve now! Sending SOS for snacks and anything that goes with meat! My nephew was so sickened by this , he has left ya’llaqueda ! This is not Bundy’s fight nor was it illegal to confiscate and punish the Hammond arsonists / animal killers land! These wannabes that backed down are losing Or. “Gag’ patriots daily! Take a look at the Twitter feed and see how anonymous have made sure all know what these disgusting pigs are ! They have it down pat! As it seems does #DoycePurcell

If you support one you really should support the other. Quit noticing the difference and start noticing the similarities. Individuals persecuted by the government. If you point out the difference the government is the winner and both white ranchers and black lives matter will loss. We should not divide ourselves.
Support all those that stand against tyranny – don’t support the tyrants

These welfare ranchers have been abusing the land we all own and the privilege of using it, now pretending to be victims. They’re just a bunch of money-grubbing corporate cattle men who don’t want anyone telling them how many cows on the land they don’t own, telling them when to rotate them, because they’re killing land that belongs to all of us and refusing to pay the lease fees, even. Freeloading wannabe cattle barons.

Um, no we do, ranging from water usage to state grazing fees. How are you gonna tell a ranch hand bullshit when he is telling you we do? We pay the state not the feds because that land belongs to the state.

And still not one mention as to why the disgusting #HAMMONDS Arrived at the federal prison 1/4/16 to begin sentence for : Insurance fraud , is it illegal to torch your own ranch? When it is to collect monies for it , YES . Is it morally wrong to leave all your livestock to burn to death? YES! For a higher pay out ! Was it stupidity to not think that fire would jump the line and start burning a wildlife reserve? YES ! Killing the deer , rabbits , majestic pines protected by state and federal levels! Just as they are hunting on a protected reserve now! Sending SOS for snacks and anything that goes with meat! My nephew was so sickened by this , he has left ya’llaqueda ! This is not Bundy’s fight nor was it illegal to confiscate and punish the Hammond arsonists / animal killers land! These wannabes that backed down are losing Or. “Gag’ patriots daily! Take a look at the Twitter feed and see how anonymous have made sure all know what these disgusting pigs are ! They have it down pat! As it seems does #DoycePurcell

The BLM has been in the pocket of big money land developers for a few decades. Like many of our federal regulation agencies, the BLM has a bunch of industrialists running the show. Just as with the EPA, corporate management of regulatory groups intended to regulate business ends up benefiting only business interests.

That said, the miltia occupying the wildlife refuge are idiots. Their views go back the Sagebrush Rebellion in the 70s, which growing up in Utah I heard a lot about as a kid. The Sagebrush Rebellion was a land-grab movement aimed at gaining local (commercial) control of federal land, mostly for the purpose of not paying grazing fees for ranging cattle.

They refuse to acknowledge the BLM for the very reasons you have said. They have come directly to Las Vegas to pay Clark County the money for those grazing fees and they were sent away. The BLM was literally created out of thin air.. It is a fictitious entity for further government reach to take control where ever and however it can. There were over 52 rancher in Nevada and all have been run off by the BLM except Bundy who fought back. The BLM obviously has a history of using the “fees” they insist on being paid to run ranchers off the lands they have cared for and used for cattle that they put on everyones table. This effects everyone indirectly and I think that the BLM just needs to disolve completely. They cause more harm than good.

Randy Carr If ‘pushing back’ means letting private ranchers profit from land held public trust without contributing, then I’m opposed. I grew in ranching country and ranging cattle messes up the land, particularly when range limits are violated and ranchers run more cattle than the land can support. Giardia was endemic in the water when I was a kid because so much cowshit was washing in the water it wasn’t safe to swim. In the language of the Sagebrush Rebellion, ‘local control’ of public land means letting ranchers run as many cattle and sheep as they want, driving ATVs and trucks off road, and occasionally poaching deer, making profit while fucking it up for everyone else.

Cory, there’s one simple solution for you: don’t live in the countryside!!!! If you can’t stand the smell of cow shit, the noise from tractors and other machines, the seemingly endless view of corn and wheat fields before harvest, then maybe it’s not for you. May I suggest you move to the city?

A) my first point is that the government broke a promise regarding the land, it was promised to the people (let’s ask the Native Americans about that)
B) I never said “pushing back” means letting ranchers profit without contributing, but I don’t believe the Federal government should be able to kick people off of land they have a vested interest in, these people have spent money homesteading and managing the land and to run livestock. Have they been compensated for their loss??

What I am suggesting is turning the land over to the states (as promised) and determine what is best on the local level (as was intended by our republican form of government).

Who better knows how to manage and deal with problems in a state than those citizens and representatives of the state??

I don’t see “land management” in the constitution therefore not an enumerated power of the federal government.
It’s much easier to address a states problems on the state level and much easier to replace a state representative when they fail to properly address the problems in the state..

As to the land problems, why not let the state, ranchers, and ecologists work towards solutions instead of Washington DC beauro rats…

Stop empowering the Feds, they are too big already, local solutions to resolve local problems, not one size fits all BS that doesn’t work for everyone coming from DC…

Robert Yeckley I have no problem with the rural experience. But public land should be for public use, managed in such a way to preserve the value for future generations, and if for-profit ventures happen on public land, the public should be compensated by the lost value.

Randy Carr – Local and state management in my hometown has lead to massive overdevelopment, profiting real estate developers and costing everyone else, creating a water crisis. The BLM has been far from ideal, but in my experience local managers are even in more in a hurry to sell off usage rights to commercial interests. You don’t have to share my view, but on issues of land conservation, the feds have historically done a better job than state and local governments.

The BLM has been in the pocket of big money land developers for a few decades. Like many of our federal regulation agencies, the BLM has a bunch of industrialists running the show. Just as with the EPA, corporate management of regulatory groups intended to regulate business ends up benefiting only business interests.

That said, the miltia occupying the wildlife refuge are idiots. Their views go back the Sagebrush Rebellion in the 70s, which growing up in Utah I heard a lot about as a kid. The Sagebrush Rebellion was a land-grab movement aimed at gaining local (commercial) control of federal land, mostly for the purpose of not paying grazing fees for ranging cattle.

They refuse to acknowledge the BLM for the very reasons you have said. They have come directly to Las Vegas to pay Clark County the money for those grazing fees and they were sent away. The BLM was literally created out of thin air.. It is a fictitious entity for further government reach to take control where ever and however it can. There were over 52 rancher in Nevada and all have been run off by the BLM except Bundy who fought back. The BLM obviously has a history of using the “fees” they insist on being paid to run ranchers off the lands they have cared for and used for cattle that they put on everyones table. This effects everyone indirectly and I think that the BLM just needs to disolve completely. They cause more harm than good.

Randy Carr If ‘pushing back’ means letting private ranchers profit from land held public trust without contributing, then I’m opposed. I grew in ranching country and ranging cattle messes up the land, particularly when range limits are violated and ranchers run more cattle than the land can support. Giardia was endemic in the water when I was a kid because so much cowshit was washing in the water it wasn’t safe to swim. In the language of the Sagebrush Rebellion, ‘local control’ of public land means letting ranchers run as many cattle and sheep as they want, driving ATVs and trucks off road, and occasionally poaching deer, making profit while fucking it up for everyone else.

Cory, there’s one simple solution for you: don’t live in the countryside!!!! If you can’t stand the smell of cow shit, the noise from tractors and other machines, the seemingly endless view of corn and wheat fields before harvest, then maybe it’s not for you. May I suggest you move to the city?

A) my first point is that the government broke a promise regarding the land, it was promised to the people (let’s ask the Native Americans about that)
B) I never said “pushing back” means letting ranchers profit without contributing, but I don’t believe the Federal government should be able to kick people off of land they have a vested interest in, these people have spent money homesteading and managing the land and to run livestock. Have they been compensated for their loss??

What I am suggesting is turning the land over to the states (as promised) and determine what is best on the local level (as was intended by our republican form of government).

Who better knows how to manage and deal with problems in a state than those citizens and representatives of the state??

I don’t see “land management” in the constitution therefore not an enumerated power of the federal government.
It’s much easier to address a states problems on the state level and much easier to replace a state representative when they fail to properly address the problems in the state..

As to the land problems, why not let the state, ranchers, and ecologists work towards solutions instead of Washington DC beauro rats…

Stop empowering the Feds, they are too big already, local solutions to resolve local problems, not one size fits all BS that doesn’t work for everyone coming from DC…

Robert Yeckley I have no problem with the rural experience. But public land should be for public use, managed in such a way to preserve the value for future generations, and if for-profit ventures happen on public land, the public should be compensated by the lost value.

Randy Carr – Local and state management in my hometown has lead to massive overdevelopment, profiting real estate developers and costing everyone else, creating a water crisis. The BLM has been far from ideal, but in my experience local managers are even in more in a hurry to sell off usage rights to commercial interests. You don’t have to share my view, but on issues of land conservation, the feds have historically done a better job than state and local governments.

Michael Sheppard, what you are saying is comparing aples and stones ! Makes no sense at all ! If the Revolution didn’t work America wouldn’t exist ! If this is your point……….are you really, really interested in confronting the US Army ???

David Scooby Benson, while it’s legal to carry guns, it’s not legal to carry guns while occupying a Federal Building, each of the occupiers is commiting Criminal Trespassing at least and i don’t even know how many more charges can be given, but they can throw the book at them for sure !

Still doesn’t make an armed occupation in other countries right. Nobody told them to go there and do that. They did it on their own and claimed it’s for our ‘safety’ when in all reality if it wasn’t for us being over there we wouldn’t be worried about our ‘safety’

Luis when someone represents you are they able to tell you what you can and can’t do? Can your representative steal from you and kidnap you? Are they your representative if you didn’t pick them to be? Can someone be forced to have a representative?

Michael Sheppard, Michael, i was born in Portugal and came to this Country 30 years ago, of those 30 years, 27 were spent in the Army with “vacations” on Iraq1, Iraq2 and Afghanistan, so you are not going to tell me nothing about the Army ! The Army is like the rest of the Country, half are conservatives, half are liberal !

Michael Sheppard, what you are saying is comparing aples and stones ! Makes no sense at all ! If the Revolution didn’t work America wouldn’t exist ! If this is your point……….are you really, really interested in confronting the US Army ???

David Scooby Benson, while it’s legal to carry guns, it’s not legal to carry guns while occupying a Federal Building, each of the occupiers is commiting Criminal Trespassing at least and i don’t even know how many more charges can be given, but they can throw the book at them for sure !

Still doesn’t make an armed occupation in other countries right. Nobody told them to go there and do that. They did it on their own and claimed it’s for our ‘safety’ when in all reality if it wasn’t for us being over there we wouldn’t be worried about our ‘safety’

Luis when someone represents you are they able to tell you what you can and can’t do? Can your representative steal from you and kidnap you? Are they your representative if you didn’t pick them to be? Can someone be forced to have a representative?

Michael Sheppard, Michael, i was born in Portugal and came to this Country 30 years ago, of those 30 years, 27 were spent in the Army with “vacations” on Iraq1, Iraq2 and Afghanistan, so you are not going to tell me nothing about the Army ! The Army is like the rest of the Country, half are conservatives, half are liberal !

Do it right please. Do not let Obamas plan happen. Citizens. Do not fire one shot. Make the governor. Mayor. Local reps. Whatever it may be. By a majority of overwhelming citizens, overturn and tell the blm no. The Feds no. Impeach if necessary. Push for their jobs if they do not and be persistent.

Do it right please. Do not let Obamas plan happen. Citizens. Do not fire one shot. Make the governor. Mayor. Local reps. Whatever it may be. By a majority of overwhelming citizens, overturn and tell the blm no. The Feds no. Impeach if necessary. Push for their jobs if they do not and be persistent.

If you support one you really should support the other. Quit noticing the difference and start noticing the similarities. Individuals persecuted by the government. If you point out the difference the government is the winner and both white ranchers and black lives matter will loss. We should not divide ourselves.

If you support one you really should support the other. Quit noticing the difference and start noticing the similarities. Individuals persecuted by the government. If you point out the difference the government is the winner and both white ranchers and black lives matter will loss. We should not divide ourselves.

If you support one you really should support the other. Quit noticing the difference and start noticing the similarities. Individuals persecuted by the government. If you point out the difference the government is the winner and both white ranchers and black lives matter will loss. We should not divide ourselves.

If you support one you really should support the other. Quit noticing the difference and start noticing the similarities. Individuals persecuted by the government. If you point out the difference the government is the winner and both white ranchers and black lives matter will loss. We should not divide ourselves.

If you support one you really should support the other. Quit noticing the difference and start noticing the similarities. Individuals persecuted by the government. If you point out the difference the government is the winner and both white ranchers and black lives matter will loss. We should not divide ourselves.

If you support one you really should support the other. Quit noticing the difference and start noticing the similarities. Individuals persecuted by the government. If you point out the difference the government is the winner and both white ranchers and black lives matter will loss. We should not divide ourselves.

If you support one you really should support the other. Quit noticing the difference and start noticing the similarities. Individuals persecuted by the government. If you point out the difference the government is the winner and both white ranchers and black lives matter will loss. We should not divide ourselves.
Support all those that stand against tyranny – don’t support the tyrants

If you support one you really should support the other. Quit noticing the difference and start noticing the similarities. Individuals persecuted by the government. If you point out the difference the government is the winner and both white ranchers and black lives matter will loss. We should not divide ourselves.
Support all those that stand against tyranny – don’t support the tyrants

If you support one you really should support the other. Quit noticing the difference and start noticing the similarities. Individuals persecuted by the government. If you point out the difference the government is the winner and both white ranchers and black lives matter will loss. We should not divide ourselves.
Support all those that stand against tyranny – don’t support the tyrants

If you support one you really should support the other. Quit noticing the difference and start noticing the similarities. Individuals persecuted by the government. If you point out the difference the government is the winner and both white ranchers and black lives matter will loss. We should not divide ourselves.
Support all those that stand against tyranny – don’t support the tyrants

The BLM work for the US government. They are the people on the ground that carry out the decisions and actions made by government officials above them. If BLM employees refused to carry out the harmful actions expected of by the politicians and their corporate friends they would lose their job and someone who can tow the line will replace them. If we are looking for some where to cast the blame for miss management of out federal grass lands we need to look a little further up the food chain. I would also like to mention that The Bundy boys are calling for more mining, more fracking more logging ect. they just do not want to have to pay any fees or taxes or acknowledge the harmful impact of resource extraction.

Lol, you do realize he means getting the land back from the BLM and the feds? The feds have taken so much land using imminent domain from ranchers here in Nevada and other nearby states. This has stopped people who were miners on their own land or loggers on their own land. I am a ranch hand here in Nevada, all you people who think you know what is going on dont, you read social media and don’t have a clue as to what is really going on, or how the feds use the BLM to take land, only to resale it to some big corporation. That is what this is about, but yall don’t even know!

what’s the solution? these wealthy ‘militia’ members would be bigger tyrants than we have now. too much land is in the hands of a few individuals. do you want to work for someone else on their land or work your own?

I worked for the forest services for ten years. A lot of us did not like the decisions passed down from DC and their corporate interests, I also come from three generations of Loggers in Northern California. I believe I have a little experience in what I say. That said it is a free country, we are free to think and believe what we want. That’s why we vote.

Nobody is saying selling it to large corporations out from under people is right. You may want to re read the thread, Leo. But none of them, big or small, has the right to destroy what land we have left. Finite resources should not be first come, first served. Not for big energy, and not for the Bundys.

The BLM work for the US government. They are the people on the ground that carry out the decisions and actions made by government officials above them. If BLM employees refused to carry out the harmful actions expected of by the politicians and their corporate friends they would lose their job and someone who can tow the line will replace them. If we are looking for some where to cast the blame for miss management of out federal grass lands we need to look a little further up the food chain. I would also like to mention that The Bundy boys are calling for more mining, more fracking more logging ect. they just do not want to have to pay any fees or taxes or acknowledge the harmful impact of resource extraction.

Lol, you do realize he means getting the land back from the BLM and the feds? The feds have taken so much land using imminent domain from ranchers here in Nevada and other nearby states. This has stopped people who were miners on their own land or loggers on their own land. I am a ranch hand here in Nevada, all you people who think you know what is going on dont, you read social media and don’t have a clue as to what is really going on, or how the feds use the BLM to take land, only to resale it to some big corporation. That is what this is about, but yall don’t even know!

what’s the solution? these wealthy ‘militia’ members would be bigger tyrants than we have now. too much land is in the hands of a few individuals. do you want to work for someone else on their land or work your own?

I worked for the forest services for ten years. A lot of us did not like the decisions passed down from DC and their corporate interests, I also come from three generations of Loggers in Northern California. I believe I have a little experience in what I say. That said it is a free country, we are free to think and believe what we want. That’s why we vote.

Nobody is saying selling it to large corporations out from under people is right. You may want to re read the thread, Leo. But none of them, big or small, has the right to destroy what land we have left. Finite resources should not be first come, first served. Not for big energy, and not for the Bundys.

Today, the federal government is the terrorist- not the people standing up to it- they’re the patriots! The rest sitting in judgemental of them without all the facts, except those spewed by the criminals in office, need a good old fashioned civics lesson!

Today, the federal government is the terrorist- not the people standing up to it- they’re the patriots! The rest sitting in judgemental of them without all the facts, except those spewed by the criminals in office, need a good old fashioned civics lesson!

While I agree with that statement, I also know that if the land was left “free”, it would be wiped clean and be destroyed. Wildlife, trees, any resource that holds value would be used up until it’s gone.

Id argue that isn’t the case at all. Private ownership lends itself to preservation of resources versus a tragedy of the commons. If you own something you have a vested interest in not depleting its resources. If we all own it there is a competition for those resources and thus better chance of waste and abuse. The Feds should auction off all of their properties. If they want to make stipulations on the use of some land that is key to wildlife management, national forests etc that is fine but bureaucrats in DC shouldn’t be trying to manage millions of acres of land across our massive nation.

Oh bullshit. There is an endless history of what “Private Enterprise” does when it is given free reign to do so.

Have people forgotten what it was like when U.S. rivers spontaneously self-immolated?

Or, more recently, talk to some folks in West Virginia whose water is so toxic they can’t even bathe in it. Water has to be trucked in.

To say that we can leave our land and resources at the mercy of private enterprise is nothing more than saying we should allow those with the most to have absolute power over everything in our environment.

Nice straw man. I didn’t say anything about water nor did I suggest that private ownership absolves people of following laws regarding contaminating water sources. Millions of Americans own rural land across this country and don’t poison our water supply.

What ever happened to leaders such as Teddy Roosevelt? Men who understood that – for the benefit of all of us – there should be some sections of the country set aside for all to enjoy, as opposed to allowing the “Job Creators” to liquidate it for their own private gain.

When did the “Free Market” so corrupt people’s thinking that they believe everything should be owned by the “Job Creators” for their own personal benefit?

What job creators? What demonic corporation do you think wants to buy up desolate prairie and forest in the Western US? If you are really that concerned then limit the acreage plots at auction and only to individual buyers.

There will always be some exceptions to the rule. But, on the whole, if something can be economically liquidated or otherwise turn a profit, a Job Creator, usually their Corporations, will be happy to do so.

Honest to God, what happened? Where did common sense go? Was Teddy Roosevelt some sort of hippie-commie? #sarcasm

This is why we need some sort of restraint on those “Job Creators”. This is why men, such as Teddy Roosevelt, understood the need to set aside certain American treasures – for all our enjoyment – as opposed to just selling everything to the highest fucking bidder to do as they please.

Who said anything about to do as they please? Naturally limitations and deed restrictions would be put into place but let the local and state populations decide that. This is pure fear mongering. If you own land that you make a living off you have a motive to perpetuate that resource. If I sell timber off my land I don’t want to cut it all down but rather timber incrementally and replant. If run livestock I want to make sure my pastures a usable year after year. If I lease land for hunting/fishing/camping I want to make sure that the animal population is sustained and the ambience maintained.

There was a time, before our current abasement before the “Free Market” , during which Americans recognized the need to protect our great land. Sadly, that time is past. We, a servile populace, eagerly submit ourselves before the Mighty “Job Creators”, imploring them to act with utter abandon and yielding any sense of respect for America or the sharing of her treasures.

TDR – the original Environmental President, a Republican.

Money Quotes:

We have become great because of the lavish use of our resources. But the time has come to inquire seriously what will happen when our forests are gone, when the coal, the iron, the oil, and the gas are exhausted, when the soils have still further impoverished and washed into the streams, polluting the rivers, denuding the fields and obstructing navigation.

And:

During his presidency,Theodore Roosevelt protected approximately 230 million acres of public land

So you believe that you, acting within a system which serves the interests of the “Free Market”, will be able to restrain said corporations?

Here’s what I think: I think that if enough folks stop worshiping the D/R “Job Creators” and instead apply some common sense to who gets elected / what policies are achieved, that we can then put actual restraints on the Corporations instead of bending over at the Altar of the “Free Market” and begging them to fuck us.

But who knows? Maybe if we embrace allowing the “Job Creators” and their corporations to do as they please, without restraint, within a system they will control… it will lead to benevolence for us all, even the little guys.

I’d argue we don’t really have a free market but even the facsimile of capitalism we do have has been the greatest accelerator of improving the quality of life and lifting people out of poverty in the history of planet. It comes with its own warts of course, most of which are exacerbated by government. I trust and believe in my fellow man to be good stewards of their own property.

I kind of like having a job, an investment portfolio for retirement full of large corporation’s stocks, industries that compete so I get better products at cheaper prices, and technological advances spurred by the possibility of profit. Damn “Job Creators”.

Don’t argue with brainwashed sheep. The man just used China as an example of the free market. At that point, just walk away. Go have coffee with a friend, read a book.
He will go home to his shack and throw darts at a piece of paper with “free market” written on it (possibly while cutting himself)
And you will have enjoyed your day better than having responded to any of this deplorable nonsense he’s posting.

Federal land is owned by the citizens (supposedly) and managed by the government (supposedly). And if things were functioning properly all would be hunky dory. But we have all these bought and paid for politicians who live and operate on a system of who has the most $$$$ to spend on their next campaign and who can offer the most favors, so nothing is ever really done “For The People”. And those people who are front and center in these messes (the Bundys) are just some big ‘Welfare Queens’ in Cowboy Hats.

Like it or not we now live in global society where we compete internationally for goods and labor. Keep pining for a post WWII US manufacturing sector and watch the world pass you by. By the way, who is worshipping these mean old job producers?

we don’t compete. we are pitted (hope this is right, i am belgian) against each other so we work harder for less money while our “proud leaders” swim in an ocean of cash.
meanwhile nobody notices we are actively destroying ourselves as a species …

I compete for the life I want for myself and family. If I want a raise, I work to outperform my peers and make myself more valuable to my employer. I understand that the pool for competition is not limited to my national boundaries. Everyday there is a guy in Bangladesh, Mexico City, Islamabad, Moscow, etc that is working hard to both literally and figuratively take my job. Id agree that our ruling political class is divisive but I find the best answer is limiting government drastically so that they have as little power as possible.

Tell Ronald Reagan. Reagan is the one that pushed the legislation that allowed the BLM to levy fees on users of government land. The law was passed in 1986. Why is that folks on the Right are just awakening to this fact? Oh, right, the President is black.

While I agree with that statement, I also know that if the land was left “free”, it would be wiped clean and be destroyed. Wildlife, trees, any resource that holds value would be used up until it’s gone.

Id argue that isn’t the case at all. Private ownership lends itself to preservation of resources versus a tragedy of the commons. If you own something you have a vested interest in not depleting its resources. If we all own it there is a competition for those resources and thus better chance of waste and abuse. The Feds should auction off all of their properties. If they want to make stipulations on the use of some land that is key to wildlife management, national forests etc that is fine but bureaucrats in DC shouldn’t be trying to manage millions of acres of land across our massive nation.

Oh bullshit. There is an endless history of what “Private Enterprise” does when it is given free reign to do so.

Have people forgotten what it was like when U.S. rivers spontaneously self-immolated?

Or, more recently, talk to some folks in West Virginia whose water is so toxic they can’t even bathe in it. Water has to be trucked in.

To say that we can leave our land and resources at the mercy of private enterprise is nothing more than saying we should allow those with the most to have absolute power over everything in our environment.

Nice straw man. I didn’t say anything about water nor did I suggest that private ownership absolves people of following laws regarding contaminating water sources. Millions of Americans own rural land across this country and don’t poison our water supply.

What ever happened to leaders such as Teddy Roosevelt? Men who understood that – for the benefit of all of us – there should be some sections of the country set aside for all to enjoy, as opposed to allowing the “Job Creators” to liquidate it for their own private gain.

When did the “Free Market” so corrupt people’s thinking that they believe everything should be owned by the “Job Creators” for their own personal benefit?

What job creators? What demonic corporation do you think wants to buy up desolate prairie and forest in the Western US? If you are really that concerned then limit the acreage plots at auction and only to individual buyers.

There will always be some exceptions to the rule. But, on the whole, if something can be economically liquidated or otherwise turn a profit, a Job Creator, usually their Corporations, will be happy to do so.

Honest to God, what happened? Where did common sense go? Was Teddy Roosevelt some sort of hippie-commie? #sarcasm

This is why we need some sort of restraint on those “Job Creators”. This is why men, such as Teddy Roosevelt, understood the need to set aside certain American treasures – for all our enjoyment – as opposed to just selling everything to the highest fucking bidder to do as they please.

Who said anything about to do as they please? Naturally limitations and deed restrictions would be put into place but let the local and state populations decide that. This is pure fear mongering. If you own land that you make a living off you have a motive to perpetuate that resource. If I sell timber off my land I don’t want to cut it all down but rather timber incrementally and replant. If run livestock I want to make sure my pastures a usable year after year. If I lease land for hunting/fishing/camping I want to make sure that the animal population is sustained and the ambience maintained.

There was a time, before our current abasement before the “Free Market” , during which Americans recognized the need to protect our great land. Sadly, that time is past. We, a servile populace, eagerly submit ourselves before the Mighty “Job Creators”, imploring them to act with utter abandon and yielding any sense of respect for America or the sharing of her treasures.

TDR – the original Environmental President, a Republican.

Money Quotes:

We have become great because of the lavish use of our resources. But the time has come to inquire seriously what will happen when our forests are gone, when the coal, the iron, the oil, and the gas are exhausted, when the soils have still further impoverished and washed into the streams, polluting the rivers, denuding the fields and obstructing navigation.

And:

During his presidency,Theodore Roosevelt protected approximately 230 million acres of public land

So you believe that you, acting within a system which serves the interests of the “Free Market”, will be able to restrain said corporations?

Here’s what I think: I think that if enough folks stop worshiping the D/R “Job Creators” and instead apply some common sense to who gets elected / what policies are achieved, that we can then put actual restraints on the Corporations instead of bending over at the Altar of the “Free Market” and begging them to fuck us.

But who knows? Maybe if we embrace allowing the “Job Creators” and their corporations to do as they please, without restraint, within a system they will control… it will lead to benevolence for us all, even the little guys.

I’d argue we don’t really have a free market but even the facsimile of capitalism we do have has been the greatest accelerator of improving the quality of life and lifting people out of poverty in the history of planet. It comes with its own warts of course, most of which are exacerbated by government. I trust and believe in my fellow man to be good stewards of their own property.

I kind of like having a job, an investment portfolio for retirement full of large corporation’s stocks, industries that compete so I get better products at cheaper prices, and technological advances spurred by the possibility of profit. Damn “Job Creators”.

Don’t argue with brainwashed sheep. The man just used China as an example of the free market. At that point, just walk away. Go have coffee with a friend, read a book.
He will go home to his shack and throw darts at a piece of paper with “free market” written on it (possibly while cutting himself)
And you will have enjoyed your day better than having responded to any of this deplorable nonsense he’s posting.

Federal land is owned by the citizens (supposedly) and managed by the government (supposedly). And if things were functioning properly all would be hunky dory. But we have all these bought and paid for politicians who live and operate on a system of who has the most $$$$ to spend on their next campaign and who can offer the most favors, so nothing is ever really done “For The People”. And those people who are front and center in these messes (the Bundys) are just some big ‘Welfare Queens’ in Cowboy Hats.

Like it or not we now live in global society where we compete internationally for goods and labor. Keep pining for a post WWII US manufacturing sector and watch the world pass you by. By the way, who is worshipping these mean old job producers?

we don’t compete. we are pitted (hope this is right, i am belgian) against each other so we work harder for less money while our “proud leaders” swim in an ocean of cash.
meanwhile nobody notices we are actively destroying ourselves as a species …

I compete for the life I want for myself and family. If I want a raise, I work to outperform my peers and make myself more valuable to my employer. I understand that the pool for competition is not limited to my national boundaries. Everyday there is a guy in Bangladesh, Mexico City, Islamabad, Moscow, etc that is working hard to both literally and figuratively take my job. Id agree that our ruling political class is divisive but I find the best answer is limiting government drastically so that they have as little power as possible.

Tell Ronald Reagan. Reagan is the one that pushed the legislation that allowed the BLM to levy fees on users of government land. The law was passed in 1986. Why is that folks on the Right are just awakening to this fact? Oh, right, the President is black.

Please, please, let’s not even give a hint of justification for these racist, bigoted, xenophobic terrorists! You know damned well, their action has absolutely NOTHING to do with the corrupt practices of BLM.

Please, please, let’s not even give a hint of justification for these racist, bigoted, xenophobic terrorists! You know damned well, their action has absolutely NOTHING to do with the corrupt practices of BLM.

“I’m not exactly sure what is meant by intelligent design. But I believe God is intelligent, and I believe he designed the creation. And I believe he used the process of evolution to create the human body.” Mitt Romney

“I’m not exactly sure what is meant by intelligent design. But I believe God is intelligent, and I believe he designed the creation. And I believe he used the process of evolution to create the human body.” Mitt Romney

Understood and agreed. That said, they are currently trying to tighten regulations on fracking on public lands…oil companies are fighting this. My personal opinion is that big oil has so much political influence that dastardly stuff like this pays lawmakers so well, it will continue until big money is removed from the political process. http://earthjustice.org/cases/2015/defending-the-blm-s-new-fracking-rules

Understood and agreed. That said, they are currently trying to tighten regulations on fracking on public lands…oil companies are fighting this. My personal opinion is that big oil has so much political influence that dastardly stuff like this pays lawmakers so well, it will continue until big money is removed from the political process. http://earthjustice.org/cases/2015/defending-the-blm-s-new-fracking-rules

in may of 2015 the first regulations on waste pits from fracking wells were introduced. still trying to find out when the first leases of public lands were given to fracking companies but i suspect they were issued under the previous government.

in may of 2015 the first regulations on waste pits from fracking wells were introduced. still trying to find out when the first leases of public lands were given to fracking companies but i suspect they were issued under the previous government.

I cannot understand how all the White Supremacists keep thinking it is okay now for them to crawl out from under their rocks?? Just look at the comments here… I will be leaving this page because I cannot take all the obvious Bigotry that nobody seems to want to speak out against! If I see or hear any of this shit out in public, I will stand up to you, but on these pages where NOBODY can defend themselves you are So Big! Let’s see you walk out on the street without your FKG Guns and say some of this shit!

That’s the problem. If they did this without guns. The police state would have killed these unarmed men already. Hence why they have guns. They aren’t that dumb. They know how this would have gone if unarmed

I cannot understand how all the White Supremacists keep thinking it is okay now for them to crawl out from under their rocks?? Just look at the comments here… I will be leaving this page because I cannot take all the obvious Bigotry that nobody seems to want to speak out against! If I see or hear any of this shit out in public, I will stand up to you, but on these pages where NOBODY can defend themselves you are So Big! Let’s see you walk out on the street without your FKG Guns and say some of this shit!

That’s the problem. If they did this without guns. The police state would have killed these unarmed men already. Hence why they have guns. They aren’t that dumb. They know how this would have gone if unarmed

So are you taking the government side on this one? Why can’t you support black lives and white ranchers. United we stand divided we fall… Why are you trying to divide the people with race? If your against government corruption then why are you standing on the same side as the government?

So are you taking the government side on this one? Why can’t you support black lives and white ranchers. United we stand divided we fall… Why are you trying to divide the people with race? If your against government corruption then why are you standing on the same side as the government?

Double Jeopardy anyone? Someone just wants to jack these people for this land, that’s what happens when your government is so corrupt its bankrupted itself 1000 times over. So the IRS and the BLM and all the other fingers of the government it shoves up our asses, are just trying to MAKE. MORE. MONEY. period. These guys already did time,, how can they charge em again? Iv got a Tommy Lee Jones movie that says otherwise

Double Jeopardy anyone? Someone just wants to jack these people for this land, that’s what happens when your government is so corrupt its bankrupted itself 1000 times over. So the IRS and the BLM and all the other fingers of the government it shoves up our asses, are just trying to MAKE. MORE. MONEY. period. These guys already did time,, how can they charge em again? Iv got a Tommy Lee Jones movie that says otherwise

I don’t know much about it yet. It looks like they are protesters trying to get attention to their cause. Hopefully, the media attention will make everyone aware of the common issues these people are experiencing and positive changes will result for the benefit of all.

I don’t know much about it yet. It looks like they are protesters trying to get attention to their cause. Hopefully, the media attention will make everyone aware of the common issues these people are experiencing and positive changes will result for the benefit of all.

What’s your level? How can I get there? What did you do to get there?
Well there you go again name calling. I used to work with my hands and go to university without any loans. So check YOUR STEREOTYPES at the door with your entitlement.

I had one ‘to or also’ not “two”… but don’t let me stop you telling me how I’m dumb.

What’s your level? How can I get there? What did you do to get there?
Well there you go again name calling. I used to work with my hands and go to university without any loans. So check YOUR STEREOTYPES at the door with your entitlement.

I had one ‘to or also’ not “two”… but don’t let me stop you telling me how I’m dumb.

If you feel there is a discrepancy between the 2 why don’t you join a militia. It is legal for blacks to join and you could carry a gun and stand shoulder to shoulder with these men. Maybe black lives matter should organize into a militia. Stop being a victim and start supporting ALL who are part of the struggle.

If you feel there is a discrepancy between the 2 why don’t you join a militia. It is legal for blacks to join and you could carry a gun and stand shoulder to shoulder with these men. Maybe black lives matter should organize into a militia. Stop being a victim and start supporting ALL who are part of the struggle.

I don’t agree with either side on this… The BLM is in the wrong and the “protesters” are in the wrong, i dont think an “armed” take over is the way to go about this, and even more so if they threaten to kill police or anyone that tries to remove them. That is not a peaceful protest and that certainly does not make them patriots in my eyes. The real issue at hand for most of us is the double standard going on, and that double standard is coming from a lot of angles and from both sides..

1. The absolute lack of any real media coverage, which screams that BLM is hiding something.

2. If the 150 armed men were any shade of brown, this would already have ended with a show of force, and possibly quite violently.

I’ll agree, if these folks were brown the Nat’l Gaurd would have already been sent in. If they were Red we’d have another Wounded Knee already. I’m waiting for the media to label them religious nutjobs so they can send in the troops and burn them out like Koresh’s Branch Davidians.

You race biting fools. Brown people (as you call them) riot cuz of a thug pulls a gun on a cop and gets shot. This isn’t about race, sex or religion. It’s about the federal government over stepping their boundary. This fight has been going on since at least 1970. My family as been an active role in this fight. If you don’t own a ranch, if this is the first time hearing or reading about it. You know nothing. Go back to the hole you came out of.

Making racist statements like “Brown people riot cuz of a thug pulls a gun on a cop and gets shot”, telling people they don’t know anything, should crawl into a hole, and generally being condescending and uneducated isn’t a good way to get support or sway opinions.

Dan Siegel if you don’t understand how race is playing a major role in the double standards then you should go back to the hole you came out of (figure I’ll give you a taste of your own words)… And if you’re so blind that you can’t see Brown people are treated differently in this country then my guess is you are among those that treat them that way. If you can’t see both sides are in the wrong then you really need to do some serious introspection.

You think protecting your properties and fighting for the right to feed your family, is the same as pulling a gun on a cop. Protesting cuz a bad guy got shot. Your comparing apple’s to oranges. No building are being burned and no shots have been fired. Chris I bet your a thug and want special rights. As every article says. It’s peaceful protest so far. If the farmers lose,( black farmers or white farmers) if they lose, our food supply will get expensive.

The fact that no shots have been fired just goes to show the preferential treat meant. The cops don’t wait for them to shoot first if they are not white. They don’t even need you to be holding a weapon to shoot and kill you if you are not white. All they have to say is they were fearful.

Dan you apparently don’t get it, try using a different race of armed men besides black people, use my other example of 150 armed Muslims doing the same thing these group of men are doing. I want you to think about that and let it sink in for just a moment……………………………. Now tell me how you think this scenario would be playing out….

Do you honestly believe I see it that way… I also have not once made a reference to those as examples, because they were not peaceful, but let’s also look at how police reacted to it, it wouldn’t matter if they were standing there completely in a peaceful stance locking arms and had guns strapped to their sides…the police would be dealing with it differently than they are this… It’s simple, if you are white it’s alright, if you are not it’s all wrong.

An armed takeover by a whacko to some and a hero to others set a young nation on a course to outlaw slavery. Armed patriots once set this nation free from the tyranny of an oppressive, and legal, government. You are not taught history nor encouraged to learn it on your own so that you can be blindly manipulated into accepting your own exploitation and enslavement.

Also you wanna make a comparison to the tamir rice incident, let’s consider this.. A suicidal elderly white woman armed with a bb gun drove around pointing it at cops and she is still alive.. So yes race does play a major role in these type of situations.

Not sure what your point is? That a grandma with a bb gun doesn’t intimidate a cop, but a young gangster thug with a plastic realistic looking gun does? Poor black people, study the history of S. Africa, they hate black people so much slavery is still legal there. White people made slavery illegal in America.

Um. Have you ever seen the riots from lost basketball games or soccer games? White folk most definitely set shit on fire, all the time xD and it isn’t a peaceful protest when you occupy an area through threat of force and arms. This is an instance of domestic terrorism and I want to see these people punished.

you are ALL fuckin morons remember ruby ridge and waco every black persons comment on here is a fuckin joke because main stream media has you hook line and sinker yes way to many black people have been killed by the police but they also kill whites and light browns as well. at the very least these guys are making a stand and have learned that doing it the peacefull way dose nothing

Ruby ridge, the stringer family, no I get it. Your saying life is unequal, and not fair. I am saying, the government has over stepped its authority and needs to be contained. Your saying poor black people. I’m saying real red blooded Americans of all race, sex, gender and religion needs to stand up to ternary. You want to bow. We real Americans will stand.

Thomas Kehoe sure police kill white people and all other races, but the numbers are disproportionate and us white folk aren’t profiled nearly the same as other races are. Again this has nothing to do with media having anyone hook line or sinker, And it’s quite obvious if you actually pay attention the world around you.

If the reason for this standoff gets the media coverage it deserves then they need to stand down, because that I will consider as a win for them, BUT threatening violence like they did was not the way to go about it. Them taking over a federally owned building is exactly in the same ballpark as looting. Both are criminal acts, end of story.

Kelly Lynn Thompson an armed takeover back in those days makes much more sense than it does in the media rich environment of today. There are ways to get that attention without being armed and threatening violence. You don’t have to agree I guess, but that is just the way I see it.

The USA is the only First World place that celebrates and accepts racism. It will remain that way until we realize that we are all Americans and our skin coloring does not matter.

((Native Americans have the highest rate of injustices today through when Spanish, Anglo-Saxon and other settlers came along, btw…))

Americans are Americans. Live under the same laws, stand up against corrupt ones and help make America the great country it was and can be again. Stop making it about race or religion. Be good to your American neighbors, work hard and fight tyranny in the government in order to uphold the Constitution.

There really is some stupid people in this country some people think everything is about race. Those people are the problem with this country. In this case the government is wrong we all need to be standing our ground as Americans.

Dan Siegel i can tell you want to ignore the truth so im just going to block you, you obviously think all Muslims are terrorists or daesh. There is a big difference between peaceful muslims and the radicals of daesh. Whatever, if you want to remain ignorant that is your choice.

Oh and i understand what a militia is, it still doesn’t make this group right in how they are pursuing their goal…

James Cressler now take that same group and have them taking over a federally owned building and then threaten to kill anyone that tries to remove them… You really think they wouldn’t be treated differently?

I don’t agree with either side on this… The BLM is in the wrong and the “protesters” are in the wrong, i dont think an “armed” take over is the way to go about this, and even more so if they threaten to kill police or anyone that tries to remove them. That is not a peaceful protest and that certainly does not make them patriots in my eyes. The real issue at hand for most of us is the double standard going on, and that double standard is coming from a lot of angles and from both sides..

1. The absolute lack of any real media coverage, which screams that BLM is hiding something.

2. If the 150 armed men were any shade of brown, this would already have ended with a show of force, and possibly quite violently.

I’ll agree, if these folks were brown the Nat’l Gaurd would have already been sent in. If they were Red we’d have another Wounded Knee already. I’m waiting for the media to label them religious nutjobs so they can send in the troops and burn them out like Koresh’s Branch Davidians.

You race biting fools. Brown people (as you call them) riot cuz of a thug pulls a gun on a cop and gets shot. This isn’t about race, sex or religion. It’s about the federal government over stepping their boundary. This fight has been going on since at least 1970. My family as been an active role in this fight. If you don’t own a ranch, if this is the first time hearing or reading about it. You know nothing. Go back to the hole you came out of.

Making racist statements like “Brown people riot cuz of a thug pulls a gun on a cop and gets shot”, telling people they don’t know anything, should crawl into a hole, and generally being condescending and uneducated isn’t a good way to get support or sway opinions.

Dan Siegel if you don’t understand how race is playing a major role in the double standards then you should go back to the hole you came out of (figure I’ll give you a taste of your own words)… And if you’re so blind that you can’t see Brown people are treated differently in this country then my guess is you are among those that treat them that way. If you can’t see both sides are in the wrong then you really need to do some serious introspection.

You think protecting your properties and fighting for the right to feed your family, is the same as pulling a gun on a cop. Protesting cuz a bad guy got shot. Your comparing apple’s to oranges. No building are being burned and no shots have been fired. Chris I bet your a thug and want special rights. As every article says. It’s peaceful protest so far. If the farmers lose,( black farmers or white farmers) if they lose, our food supply will get expensive.

The fact that no shots have been fired just goes to show the preferential treat meant. The cops don’t wait for them to shoot first if they are not white. They don’t even need you to be holding a weapon to shoot and kill you if you are not white. All they have to say is they were fearful.

Dan you apparently don’t get it, try using a different race of armed men besides black people, use my other example of 150 armed Muslims doing the same thing these group of men are doing. I want you to think about that and let it sink in for just a moment……………………………. Now tell me how you think this scenario would be playing out….

Do you honestly believe I see it that way… I also have not once made a reference to those as examples, because they were not peaceful, but let’s also look at how police reacted to it, it wouldn’t matter if they were standing there completely in a peaceful stance locking arms and had guns strapped to their sides…the police would be dealing with it differently than they are this… It’s simple, if you are white it’s alright, if you are not it’s all wrong.

An armed takeover by a whacko to some and a hero to others set a young nation on a course to outlaw slavery. Armed patriots once set this nation free from the tyranny of an oppressive, and legal, government. You are not taught history nor encouraged to learn it on your own so that you can be blindly manipulated into accepting your own exploitation and enslavement.

Also you wanna make a comparison to the tamir rice incident, let’s consider this.. A suicidal elderly white woman armed with a bb gun drove around pointing it at cops and she is still alive.. So yes race does play a major role in these type of situations.

Not sure what your point is? That a grandma with a bb gun doesn’t intimidate a cop, but a young gangster thug with a plastic realistic looking gun does? Poor black people, study the history of S. Africa, they hate black people so much slavery is still legal there. White people made slavery illegal in America.

Um. Have you ever seen the riots from lost basketball games or soccer games? White folk most definitely set shit on fire, all the time xD and it isn’t a peaceful protest when you occupy an area through threat of force and arms. This is an instance of domestic terrorism and I want to see these people punished.

you are ALL fuckin morons remember ruby ridge and waco every black persons comment on here is a fuckin joke because main stream media has you hook line and sinker yes way to many black people have been killed by the police but they also kill whites and light browns as well. at the very least these guys are making a stand and have learned that doing it the peacefull way dose nothing

Ruby ridge, the stringer family, no I get it. Your saying life is unequal, and not fair. I am saying, the government has over stepped its authority and needs to be contained. Your saying poor black people. I’m saying real red blooded Americans of all race, sex, gender and religion needs to stand up to ternary. You want to bow. We real Americans will stand.

Thomas Kehoe sure police kill white people and all other races, but the numbers are disproportionate and us white folk aren’t profiled nearly the same as other races are. Again this has nothing to do with media having anyone hook line or sinker, And it’s quite obvious if you actually pay attention the world around you.

If the reason for this standoff gets the media coverage it deserves then they need to stand down, because that I will consider as a win for them, BUT threatening violence like they did was not the way to go about it. Them taking over a federally owned building is exactly in the same ballpark as looting. Both are criminal acts, end of story.

Kelly Lynn Thompson an armed takeover back in those days makes much more sense than it does in the media rich environment of today. There are ways to get that attention without being armed and threatening violence. You don’t have to agree I guess, but that is just the way I see it.

The USA is the only First World place that celebrates and accepts racism. It will remain that way until we realize that we are all Americans and our skin coloring does not matter.

((Native Americans have the highest rate of injustices today through when Spanish, Anglo-Saxon and other settlers came along, btw…))

Americans are Americans. Live under the same laws, stand up against corrupt ones and help make America the great country it was and can be again. Stop making it about race or religion. Be good to your American neighbors, work hard and fight tyranny in the government in order to uphold the Constitution.

There really is some stupid people in this country some people think everything is about race. Those people are the problem with this country. In this case the government is wrong we all need to be standing our ground as Americans.

Dan Siegel i can tell you want to ignore the truth so im just going to block you, you obviously think all Muslims are terrorists or daesh. There is a big difference between peaceful muslims and the radicals of daesh. Whatever, if you want to remain ignorant that is your choice.

Oh and i understand what a militia is, it still doesn’t make this group right in how they are pursuing their goal…

James Cressler now take that same group and have them taking over a federally owned building and then threaten to kill anyone that tries to remove them… You really think they wouldn’t be treated differently?

If you are comparing this to Ferguson and Baltimore – remember nobody has fucking died at these protests and these protests have not degraded into riots and looters. That is the difference. Whether or not the police instigated those kind of actions out of the Black Lives Matter, I dont know. But what I do know is there were armed black protesters protecting businesses from looters during those riots and nobody takes note of that.

Yeah…. not understanding how this crap has anything to do with racism but ol’ Raymond isnt the only one who supposes that anyone who even hints that the BLM is in the wrong is racist. Because, you know….. logic o.O

You people are idiot’s! I’m talking about the fact that these people are terrorist and if a group of black people gathered guns and took over government land and demanded what we were promised, we would be dead before noon.White people do bullshit with guns and never called for what they are

Black child with toy gun playing in the park gets murdered by 2 grown ass punk white cops. White man goes into black church, murders black people, gets taken to McDonald’s before he is sent to a holding tank. GTFOH

If you are comparing this to Ferguson and Baltimore – remember nobody has fucking died at these protests and these protests have not degraded into riots and looters. That is the difference. Whether or not the police instigated those kind of actions out of the Black Lives Matter, I dont know. But what I do know is there were armed black protesters protecting businesses from looters during those riots and nobody takes note of that.

Yeah…. not understanding how this crap has anything to do with racism but ol’ Raymond isnt the only one who supposes that anyone who even hints that the BLM is in the wrong is racist. Because, you know….. logic o.O

You people are idiot’s! I’m talking about the fact that these people are terrorist and if a group of black people gathered guns and took over government land and demanded what we were promised, we would be dead before noon.White people do bullshit with guns and never called for what they are

Black child with toy gun playing in the park gets murdered by 2 grown ass punk white cops. White man goes into black church, murders black people, gets taken to McDonald’s before he is sent to a holding tank. GTFOH

I believe in a different narrative but the hammonds have served there time and are being arrest again for the same crime. It’s unlawful and just how protest in Baltimore erupt over corruption so too in Oregon. It’s one persecuted group vs the government. We the people should stand together on all fronts.

Try listening to the Hammond side? It is quite different then what the main stream media is telling us. It is actually a very complicated scenario

I believe in a different narrative but the hammonds have served there time and are being arrest again for the same crime. It’s unlawful and just how protest in Baltimore erupt over corruption so too in Oregon. It’s one persecuted group vs the government. We the people should stand together on all fronts.

Try listening to the Hammond side? It is quite different then what the main stream media is telling us. It is actually a very complicated scenario

Mario Daniel Rodriguez shall we talk about how much tax money corporations in this country have dodged? Hint it’s in the hundreds of billions. But let’s go after the small guy right? Too big to fail is a real thing. And so is corporate control of government. Remember corporations are people. Untill being a person doesn’t benefit the corporation anymore.

Mario Daniel Rodriguez shall we talk about how much tax money corporations in this country have dodged? Hint it’s in the hundreds of billions. But let’s go after the small guy right? Too big to fail is a real thing. And so is corporate control of government. Remember corporations are people. Untill being a person doesn’t benefit the corporation anymore.

what the BLM is doing has been going on in latin america for a long time. from chile to mexico too much land has been in the hands of wealthy foreign owners (american) and whenever a socialist government gets elected and tries to put land into the hands of local farmers the u.s army school of the americas (ft. bennig georgia)would routinely stage coups, arm rebel groups (isis) and install dictators (republican) that would give those lands back to the wealthy foreign owners. i fear north america is in for some of the same.

what the BLM is doing has been going on in latin america for a long time. from chile to mexico too much land has been in the hands of wealthy foreign owners (american) and whenever a socialist government gets elected and tries to put land into the hands of local farmers the u.s army school of the americas (ft. bennig georgia)would routinely stage coups, arm rebel groups (isis) and install dictators (republican) that would give those lands back to the wealthy foreign owners. i fear north america is in for some of the same.

No you won’t see me on Election Day. I’ll see you in a week or so the next time a black guy gets shot and you go all social justice on everyone, while not participating in social justice here because the people are white.

White privilege these days is to have everyone hate you for your skin color, I thought we did away with that in the 60s?

No you won’t see me on Election Day. I’ll see you in a week or so the next time a black guy gets shot and you go all social justice on everyone, while not participating in social justice here because the people are white.

White privilege these days is to have everyone hate you for your skin color, I thought we did away with that in the 60s?

This, as armed anti-government activists stormed and seized a federal wildlife refuge in the name of the Hammonds. Never, it seemed, have two groups of people looked at the same conflagration and come to such different conclusions.

Armed occupiers in Oregon say they are ‘prepared’ to fight.

A group of armed men who seized a federal facility in Eastern Oregon say they are “prepared” to fight, but they won’t say what they would actually do if federal authorities try to remove them by force. (AP)
According to Ammon Bundy — leader of anti-government protesters now occupying the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, about 30 miles southeast of Burns, Ore. — the Hammonds are victims of the long arm of the federal government, gentleman ranchers punished for raising cattle on their own land. In other words, they are American heroes.

[Armed men, led by Bundy brothers, take over federal building in rural Oregon]

“The Hammond family has been battered and abused by the federal government for over a decade,” Bundy wrote in an email in November, according to BuzzFeed reporter Jim Dalrymple II. “Now they have been declared as ‘terrorist’ and sentenced to 5 years in prison. For what? … using their ranch.”

Who are the Bundys?
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Ammon Bundy and a group of armed supporters, including his brother Ryan, took over the an Ore. wildlife refuge over the weekend. Here’s a look at the Bundy family’s history of anti-government actions. (Jenny Starrs/The Washington Post)
“We have not destroyed any property, businesses, or harmed any citizens,” Bundy added in a tweet early Monday. “This is truly a peaceful protest.” Bundy also appeared to contrast his action with protests against police brutality in Ferguson, Mo., Baltimore and elsewhere: Unlike other protests “that have taken place in this country over the last year and a half we have not put anyone in danger,” he tweeted.

The federal government, of course, told quite a different tale of the fires that led to Bundy’s action. It declared — and, in 2012, a jury agreed — that Dwight Lincoln Hammond Jr., 73, and his son, Steven Dwight Hammond, 46, are arsonists, criminals now on their way to federal prison to serve five years for an elaborate scheme to cover up wrongdoing that put lives in danger.

“Congress sought to ensure that anyone who maliciously damages United States’ property by fire will serve at least 5 years in prison,” acting U.S. attorney Billy Williams said in a statement in October. “These sentences are intended to be long enough to deter those like the Hammonds who disregard the law and place fire fighters and others in jeopardy.”

The trouble with the Hammonds and fire began in 2001. That year, the government showed, Steven Hammond went hunting, killing deer on land under control of the Bureau of Land Management. What to do to erase evidence of this game violation? Break out the matches.

“Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out ‘Strike Anywhere’ matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to ‘light up the whole country on fire,’” a Justice Department account of the trial read. “One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson.”

The result: More than 100 acres of public land were destroyed. But, the government said, Steven Hammond was ready with an explanation. Sure, he had started the fire, he said. But he never meant to burn any land his family didn’t own.

This, as armed anti-government activists stormed and seized a federal wildlife refuge in the name of the Hammonds. Never, it seemed, have two groups of people looked at the same conflagration and come to such different conclusions.

Armed occupiers in Oregon say they are ‘prepared’ to fight.

A group of armed men who seized a federal facility in Eastern Oregon say they are “prepared” to fight, but they won’t say what they would actually do if federal authorities try to remove them by force. (AP)
According to Ammon Bundy — leader of anti-government protesters now occupying the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, about 30 miles southeast of Burns, Ore. — the Hammonds are victims of the long arm of the federal government, gentleman ranchers punished for raising cattle on their own land. In other words, they are American heroes.

[Armed men, led by Bundy brothers, take over federal building in rural Oregon]

“The Hammond family has been battered and abused by the federal government for over a decade,” Bundy wrote in an email in November, according to BuzzFeed reporter Jim Dalrymple II. “Now they have been declared as ‘terrorist’ and sentenced to 5 years in prison. For what? … using their ranch.”

Who are the Bundys?
Play Video2:05
Ammon Bundy and a group of armed supporters, including his brother Ryan, took over the an Ore. wildlife refuge over the weekend. Here’s a look at the Bundy family’s history of anti-government actions. (Jenny Starrs/The Washington Post)
“We have not destroyed any property, businesses, or harmed any citizens,” Bundy added in a tweet early Monday. “This is truly a peaceful protest.” Bundy also appeared to contrast his action with protests against police brutality in Ferguson, Mo., Baltimore and elsewhere: Unlike other protests “that have taken place in this country over the last year and a half we have not put anyone in danger,” he tweeted.

The federal government, of course, told quite a different tale of the fires that led to Bundy’s action. It declared — and, in 2012, a jury agreed — that Dwight Lincoln Hammond Jr., 73, and his son, Steven Dwight Hammond, 46, are arsonists, criminals now on their way to federal prison to serve five years for an elaborate scheme to cover up wrongdoing that put lives in danger.

“Congress sought to ensure that anyone who maliciously damages United States’ property by fire will serve at least 5 years in prison,” acting U.S. attorney Billy Williams said in a statement in October. “These sentences are intended to be long enough to deter those like the Hammonds who disregard the law and place fire fighters and others in jeopardy.”

The trouble with the Hammonds and fire began in 2001. That year, the government showed, Steven Hammond went hunting, killing deer on land under control of the Bureau of Land Management. What to do to erase evidence of this game violation? Break out the matches.

“Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out ‘Strike Anywhere’ matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to ‘light up the whole country on fire,’” a Justice Department account of the trial read. “One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson.”

The result: More than 100 acres of public land were destroyed. But, the government said, Steven Hammond was ready with an explanation. Sure, he had started the fire, he said. But he never meant to burn any land his family didn’t own.

The BLM is wrong but so are these armed idiots who think they have some right to do this. If they were black or Muslim this would be a act of terrorism agaist the United States and they would be dead already. This situation also shows a huge double standard, if your armed and white you are a protester, armed a and black you are a “thug” and armed and Muslim you are a terrorist.

The BLM is wrong but so are these armed idiots who think they have some right to do this. If they were black or Muslim this would be a act of terrorism agaist the United States and they would be dead already. This situation also shows a huge double standard, if your armed and white you are a protester, armed a and black you are a “thug” and armed and Muslim you are a terrorist.

In the end it all comes down to money, just what side of it gets it !!! Is that a world we really want to live in where no one really cares about actually doing good to the planet… that has sustained all the life that you have ever known and hopefully will continue to do so, we need to stop taking from Mother Earth and start giving back to her instead !!! Money is going to destroy this beautiful place that gives us life, no matter whose hands it is in… if we don’t understand this and choose to stop it… it will STOP us !!!

In the end it all comes down to money, just what side of it gets it !!! Is that a world we really want to live in where no one really cares about actually doing good to the planet… that has sustained all the life that you have ever known and hopefully will continue to do so, we need to stop taking from Mother Earth and start giving back to her instead !!! Money is going to destroy this beautiful place that gives us life, no matter whose hands it is in… if we don’t understand this and choose to stop it… it will STOP us !!!

people are going to be forced out of their homes if theres a disaster having to do with Fracking seems like theres already issues with that, especially if people can light their water on fire…. look what happened to Centralia PA they were burning garbage back in the 60’s the fire caught a coal vein and caused a huge problem fire underground in the coal seams and they say that fire could burn for 100 years or more since they cannot extinguish it

people are going to be forced out of their homes if theres a disaster having to do with Fracking seems like theres already issues with that, especially if people can light their water on fire…. look what happened to Centralia PA they were burning garbage back in the 60’s the fire caught a coal vein and caused a huge problem fire underground in the coal seams and they say that fire could burn for 100 years or more since they cannot extinguish it

The point to me is that people do have the constitutional RIGHT to protest! idk about cattle and ranching but the Father and Son served their BOGUS prison term for some BS arson charges and now a dip shit judge wants to send them back to prison because they fucked up the sentencing???!!! Why people are not spitting mad about THAT aspect I will never know.

The point to me is that people do have the constitutional RIGHT to protest! idk about cattle and ranching but the Father and Son served their BOGUS prison term for some BS arson charges and now a dip shit judge wants to send them back to prison because they fucked up the sentencing???!!! Why people are not spitting mad about THAT aspect I will never know.

Smh how did this turn into a fight about race? Grow up people..divide and conquer is the plan and obviously it’s working. As long as me and my fellow vets are on the same page I can give two shits. Wake us up when the party starts…

Smh how did this turn into a fight about race? Grow up people..divide and conquer is the plan and obviously it’s working. As long as me and my fellow vets are on the same page I can give two shits. Wake us up when the party starts…

BLM controls land everywhere in the country. Its like a spiderweb across the country. They have the authority to declare ALL public land off limits and arrest anyone that trespasses. In the event of martial law, they will shut down the country this way. You will not be able to cross “public land” The Bundy situation has some grey areas but we need to know what BLM is doing. They have been “managing” our land for a long time without any oversight by the public.

BLM controls land everywhere in the country. Its like a spiderweb across the country. They have the authority to declare ALL public land off limits and arrest anyone that trespasses. In the event of martial law, they will shut down the country this way. You will not be able to cross “public land” The Bundy situation has some grey areas but we need to know what BLM is doing. They have been “managing” our land for a long time without any oversight by the public.

Black pride : founded on a false sense of victimization, resulting in fractured families and killing each other on the streets. Proud your people murder each other and treat each other worse than any white slave owner pf past centuries? Youre sick

Black pride : founded on a false sense of victimization, resulting in fractured families and killing each other on the streets. Proud your people murder each other and treat each other worse than any white slave owner pf past centuries? Youre sick

You are correct. However 2/3 of all gun deaths are suicide, the overwhelming majority of the remaining gun deaths are black on black crime in the drug war. I do not support the drug war and I do not support disproportionate incarceration of black or Latino’s, but quit trying to push your white argument by omission of the facts. You’re trying to confuse people by speaking about mass shooting instead of gun deaths.

You are correct. However 2/3 of all gun deaths are suicide, the overwhelming majority of the remaining gun deaths are black on black crime in the drug war. I do not support the drug war and I do not support disproportionate incarceration of black or Latino’s, but quit trying to push your white argument by omission of the facts. You’re trying to confuse people by speaking about mass shooting instead of gun deaths.

if land is protected, or in trust, or “managed”, whatever, it should remain thus and be completely impossible to be sold. often the reason the land was protected in the first place, or willed to an agency with the purpose of protection in mind it is because the people knew there were resources there and wanted to make sure they would not be able to be accessed which would ruin the beautiful land. while i have some serious questions regarding the BLM’s management abilities i will say i have enjoyed camping/visiting/etc on many BLM sites and loved them.

if land is protected, or in trust, or “managed”, whatever, it should remain thus and be completely impossible to be sold. often the reason the land was protected in the first place, or willed to an agency with the purpose of protection in mind it is because the people knew there were resources there and wanted to make sure they would not be able to be accessed which would ruin the beautiful land. while i have some serious questions regarding the BLM’s management abilities i will say i have enjoyed camping/visiting/etc on many BLM sites and loved them.

Nope…I’m not offended at all……say what you got to say and let us decide…..posting pics is propaganda…….next time just post with no pic…..make it a real hot topic too…..otherwise your propganda is as bad as the stuff our government uses….on all of us…….just sayin

Don’t be fooled, the woods and outdoors aren’t the natural habitat of the right-wing Oregon terrorists. Their natural habitat is sitting in front of a tv with a beer in their hand. These morons aren’t the caliber of people the founding fathers were by any stretch of the imagination and neither are any of the right-wing political puppets or authority figures that have captured way too much power in America. They are the greatest threat to the security of America militarily and they are a real and ever present danger to the safety of our citizens ~ AWA

You’re a moron, the right-wing simply wants to exterminate anyone who isn’t white and strictly adherent to christianity and they don’t even deny it but boldly proclaim it on numerous right-wing websites and pages.

Big Brother is putting these folks in double jeopardy to try to gain ownership of their land that has been owned by the family since before BLM was even a thought. Why? Because their land is full of natural resources… why else would the government stipulate that they have the first shot at buying the ranch if it has to be sold?

There is a long backstory of the BLM harassing ranchers in the area. Do research before commenting that these people are terrorists.

They are standing for the American people. There has been no violence, no burning of businesses, no looting.

Remember that the men that signed the Declaration of Independence were considered to be traitors and terrorists.

Kadarius Humphrey Capers When it comes time to stomp on your rights the gov will know better as they will be aware that there is a silent majority that will stand when people are being treated wrong by a tyrannical government.

It lets this ever growing and aggressive administration know that we will, if we feel the need to, stand as a united front against their tyranny.

This isn’t new to Congress, people. Senators McCain and Flakey introduced last minute legislation to the 2016 budget and successfully seized Navajo land that they sold off to a mining company in Arizona. I know, so far, of only one member of Congress that hasn’t stabbed the American People in the back, and I’m still not trusting of that person. They are crooks and thugs doing what they want particularly to their own people.

They have killed NO-ONE, HAVE BURNED NO BUILDINGS, and ARE DOING SOMETHING about WHAT YOU ALL BITCH ABOUT!!!! BEING AMERICAN, and SAYING NO to TYRRANY!!! everybody wants change, but arent willing to change anything to get it!!!! THE FLOURIDE IS WORKING!!!!

Bullshit. The assholes in Oregon are in cahoots with interests who would rip off the land of it’s natural resources. Have you stopped to wonder what kind of jobs these fools have that afford them the time off to play terrorist? Follow the money, always follow the money.

It’s ok folks, they don’t have guns, so it’s ok. They are just a bunch of traitors that are working for their Corporate masters to ensure that your family starves to death while their masters get richer, but they don’t have guns, so it’s ok. You need to turn in your guns though, just in case they decide to send their own people with guns to your ranch or farm to steal it for an oil company. Don’t want you resisting the theft of what you think is your land. Can’t have a “privately owned” ranch on land that needs to be leased to big oil for fracking, so if the people won’t sell their land then the government will just send them to jail so that they can’t pay the property taxes and then seize the land. I’m kind of surprised that they didn’t just the use “imminent domain”, though? I thought that’s what the government now used to take land anytime that a Corporation covets?

“The law has placed the collective force at the disposal of the unscrupulous who wish, without risk, to exploit the person, liberty, and property of others. It has converted plunder into a right, in order to protect plunder…Neither religion nor morality can stop it. When, then, does plunder stop? It stops when it becomes more painful and more dangerous than labor.” — Bastiat, “The Law”

Dave McKee. You hit it right on the money. She is more of a racist than anyone I can see on this thread, while feigning indignant on all whites being racist. Either SHE is truly racist or just a useful idiot. Not that it matters much, seeing that It has the same outcome.

Dave McKee. You hit it right on the money. She is more of a racist than anyone I can see on this thread, while feigning indignant on all whites being racist. Either SHE is truly racist or just a useful idiot. Not that it matters much, seeing that It has the same outcome.

My words are as polished Arrows which are sharp in the hearts of Gods enemies as they flash under all parts of the Heavens…Oh my Lovers, Submerge yourselves in the “waters of Life” and be “born again” unto the Truth of this world and the battle that is being fought for control of “Tomorrow” for the earth and for your souls. Understand and comprehend that the Leaders of Western civilization; the FREE MASON ILLUMINATI and their cohorts hidden around the world in various Governments and Churches etc. are completely run by Luciferians who worship dark energy and are explicitly involved in the encouragement of summoning dark energy through the Ritualistic abuse of people. This includes gang raping children, sacrificing babies and small children also adults and other various forms of explicit evil.

All of these activities are their way of feeling an exhilaration on a spiritual level. They experience a feeling of exhilaration by conducting very evil acts upon innocence. These were ancient practices that have been kept hidden as the average human would automatically reject it as most of us are naturally inclined to be good. What makes this a total atrocity is they believe themselves to be the ancient Hebrews whom built the Pyramids of Egypt but these people are in fact the Synagogue of Satan and had nothing to do with the Exodus led by the Great Prophet Moses. Their behavior is as far away from Moses’s law as one could get as they soak the earth in the blood and tears of the innocent while deceiving the masses. Truly they are the LAWLESS ones warned about in ALL the ancient Prophecies. The “One Eyed Dajjal Antichrist society.”

Their behavior has to be indoctrinated into the human, it is entirely unnatural. This goes all the way back to the Ancient times and philosophies of Lucifer or Satan who is essentially the negative dark energy that creates lifeless zones in the creation. This energy directly challenges God by deliberately introducing suffering into his creation. The Leaders of western civilization and their hidden cohorts around the world embrace this as their sac-religious spirituality that at this point in time is a requirement to join the ranks of the upper, upper class. ALL people of political influence in the west and again their hidden cohorts and many high ranking public profiles are members of these secret societies that are of Free Mason Illuminati origin. Only when members threaten to leave do they then get harassed and intimidated and exposed as a pedophile etc. They ALL are in on it. The ENTIRE HEAD of western civilization is SICK AS SICK can be…

Their Global agenda is to reduce the worlds population to just 500,000 with the handful of Elite Illuminati families left alone to inherit all of the earth with very few “prison cities” left as a gene pool in which to breed their slaves. They literally want to create a Hell on earth with their Lucifer as the God of this world which includes their Sac-religious sexual victimization of children and Brutal tyranny upon the innocent. Truly a Hell on earth where very few would enjoy the splendid and miraculous gift of life.

This is why the ancient Prophets, Seers and Shamans warned us that when Jesus (the end time Messenger and teacher of Gods law) is revealed along with the TRUTH of all the ancient Prophecies which reveal all these things the Devil will know he is caught out! This is at the height of his power and just moments before he is about to activate his finale push of deception to execute his secret agenda of Annihilating the remnants of those left that are unconquerable so he is FURIOUS! This creates a very scary moment in human history in which the Prophets referred to as Armageddon where the Antichrist has gathered his deceived Armies and Barbaric hordes that he has created and he is symbolically “in the valley of Megiddo” about to make his finale assault on “Jerusalem”. Which is in actuality his final assault on those whom are of the “moralist cultures” that are unconquerable to him. So he is devising their destruction.

This is in fact the True meaning of “The Battle of Armageddon”. We are informed through the ancient Prophetic verses that under this situation with the Devil so powerful and the fact that his system is now in a state of perpetual collapse because of the Revelation of Jesus Christ and the TRUTH of the Biblical prophecies, which the Devil is desperately trying to hide.. many people are getting captured and killed as they scramble to survive the second coming of Jesus Christ…As they scramble to survive “The Written Judgment”. “BLESSED ARE THOSE WHO ENDURE UNTIL THE END!”

Nothing like a militia uprising to show how stupid Americans have gotten. But then Congress did call their repeal of the Constitution the Patriot Act so it is easy to get confused and lose one’s sense of obvious.

They get tax money to (take care of) or “protect”. Then they make more money off of it in many ways that violate that trust, destroying the natural life that can and need to be there supposedly protecting it from The People. Underhanded and another overbearing government move…… CORRUPT

They get tax money to (take care of) or “protect”. Then they make more money off of it in many ways that violate that trust, destroying the natural life that can and need to be there supposedly protecting it from The People. Underhanded and another overbearing government move…… CORRUPT

The DC crowd are terrorists, that’s why we have Tyranny, where the people fear the government, instead of LIBERTY, where the government fears the people. Ducking JP Morgan & Rockefeller causing the depression, that event sold us out to global interests..

Grateful to read entire background. ..although I hate to say I’m not surprised at how this family has been treated. First get rid of the indigenous population.. And now whoever else is in the government’s (corporate) way.

535 so called Patriots, are currently occupying a Federal building in D.C.. Look at the sheep go. lol! It’s funny. They didn’t notice the D. C., and even if they did, they wouldn’t know what D. C. is. The utterly ignorant sheep think it’s where a Government is located, when in fact it is only a ten mile radius area that contains a foreign controlled corporation posing as a Government “of” the United States.

Proper question to ask a politician or regulator (etc.) when they start squawnking ‘gun control’ (but don’t ask, because it’ll get you labeled and maybe arrested): Why? What are you doing, have you done, or are you going to do that will make law-abiding citizens want to shoot you?

A freshman at Columbia university in 1970,
Future Attorney General ERIC Holder participated in a five-day occupation of an abandoned Naval Reserve officer Training Corps (ROTC) headquarters with a group of black students’ organization as ”ARMED,”
Black radicals from the same group also occupied the office of Dean of freshman Henry Coleman until their demands were met. Holder has publicly acknowledged being a part of that action.
They held out until the ROTC building was re-purposesed as the
”Malcolm X Lounge” to honor honor of a man who recognized the importance of territory as a basis for nationhood.

Serious shit for a moment: Congress is one of the greatest terrorist organizations on earth. They rubber stamp civil injustice, apartheid, murder of both foreign and domestic civilians, spy on everyone, etc etc.
I know this is satire but it’s only funny because it’s true.

I just think there could be more action down there,they need to be able to change stuff allot faster than 10 years .its 2016 and we should all tell them to shred the debate and stop arguing,you have to do what’s right,and that doesn’t take years.does it?

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