You say there's "no outperformance" for GDX but today is yet another example of a trend this intermediate cycle where the miners move more than 2x gold on the up days and less than 2x gold on the down days.

Yes you can just as well lever up 2x on gold for the same upside but you're also exposed 2x on the downside, as well as taking on leverage (either paying margin interest or being exposed to decay through options or leveraged ETFs). If this asymmetry in miner performance relative to gold is real, then it would indeed be better than simply levering up on gold.

Also don't forget to look at CEF today. GDX has been outperforming CEF since August, and could well likely continue to do so given the weakness in silver.

I think your only valid pushback is this miner strength needs to "prove" itself by holding for a longer period of time than the last few cycles but in the time that you wait there's an opportunity cost.

There's the obvious tax benefits and flexibility of futures, but not everyone can/wants to play with futures so this is a moot rationale for many folks.

That's the idea...to make everyone sick and tried and disinterested in silver. It usually takes about two years after every parabolic blowoff and as soon as all the retailer investors are gone, itll start moving up and make a new highs. Just take a look at all past porabola action since the bull started.

This action were seeing in silver is nothing new and should be expected.

Man I'm hoping Gold finds a bottom before the market does....kind of like tomorrow would be nice. I've done good for myself just following the G man

However I have been an epic failure trading on behalf of my family . I have them in at about 33% old turkey SIL, SLV, CEF,SLW. I Swear to god I started trading for them a week before the crash in May....One account is down 11% as of today the other about 8% I guess that's not to bad considering

When do you consider a moving average as "lost"? Is it a function of how far below the SMA and what time of day? If we get selling into the close we may see gold lose the 50. Curious how you play this one in the 24/7 futures market.

No smartphone, at least not one'd trust for trading, but I'm checking in on my laptop during a layover.

From the action, Gary could very well be correct about the short term. However, I'm not selling anything and now will begin to place buy orders BELOW current prices. From my quick analysis, it looks to me that metals are getting hit more from systemic worries (futures/options/derivatives are no longer safe after MF global, but still, metals are the only place to be IMO.

Assuming I get some fills (buys) over the next few days, I can live with any downside from here. One must ask themselves how safe their fiat currency is, now that everything is coming apart one event at a time. The reason to own miners longer term remains intact, and if fact this bolsters the argument. It won't be long before they're perceived as the only game in town. Only physical and miners, no futures, no GLD, and certainly no double/triple etfs.

Let's see how it shakes out, but I'm buckled up for the ride and looking to add.

PS One of my previously placed buy order just executed, with several more not too much below where we stand. A down gap tomorrow ought to fill them, and I will then be at my maximum risk percentage (until I'm up big and can add, keeping overall risk fixed at my max-no raising, but with more shares).

Take this with a grain of salt, but the ThinkOrSwim Sequential indicator (poor man's DeMark) is showing a perfected DAILY sequential BUY today on the GDXJ!Such signals are good for the following 12 trading sessions - so into the first week of December.Let's see how this does!

Agree with you on Kyle Bass inteview. I found it riveting, except for the incessant interruptions by the agressive and hostile BBC interviewer. No wonder the UK is in such trouble ;-). Any idea what his plans are to play the asymmetric hedge on Japan (other than without CDSs)?

i read the artical and am very upset. For one i can see her point. On the other hand if she is going to wait untill she can have complete confidence in gov before she even thinks of opening her doors again. That beggs the question why she ever opened up for bussiness to begin with

Essentially Bass hedged portfolio against housing in 2008 with cds's and profitied. Says only way out for Euro countries is for debt to piigs be written down as loss.

Japan and then France have worse soveriegn debt problems. How he plays this unkown as interviewer interupted. He says best store value gold and made light of fact reported he has guns. He also made clear long in many areas(what not say) and bets against were hedges.

Reasons the gold secular bull is not dead:1. Dow:Gold is way too high, as Gary said. As a corollary, gold trends up when dow goes down. If you think gold bull is dead then you must believe the dow is ready to start a new bull market.2. The EW gold count has worked beautifully for me for a decade now, and therefore I have to believe it is correct. Therefore we are in wave 2 of Major 3, with a long way left up.3. The last gold bull, which for a number of reasons should be less impressive than this one , saw gold rise 26 times. So far it has risen 7-8 times at peak4. Waaayyy too little capital is in gold, something well under 5%. At the end of the bull, this number will be much higher. 5. Many average people do not know how/where to buy physical gold. Near the end, everyone will know and there will be lines, either literally or on the phone.6. Near the end, everyone, including cnbc, will be super excited about gold and say it can only go up forever. Are we there yet?!!!7 Fundamentally, it seems obvious to me that when the deflation gets bad the politicians will resort to printing to try to ease the pain. I have trouble seeing how this crisis does not ultimately end in a hyperinflation. There is a reason there have been hundreds of yperinflation but no hyperdeflation like EVER. People never change and it will happen again. I also think that as we have more MF globals literally stealing account money, all faith/trust will be lost and people will go crazy for something that has no counterparty risk.

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