It's interesting that people are shocked that he didn't initially want to report the crime when the results of him reporting the crime is complete disbelief from the public.

Exactly, but that’s the public/social media for you. Hopefully this thread will stay on topic as well. [Edited 2/10/19 20:28pm]

I hope he didn't lie and they catch the guys that attacked him. If they prove he lied then arrest him I believe they will have rioting in Chicago and "Free Jussie" marches. The city is dangerous enough without chaos. I hope they find video evidence of the attack from the 100's of hours of video surveillance. Jussie is a reliable source he phoned Don Lemon.

As to the phone issue it wouldn't be a problem for me because I'm an extremely boring person.

I have nothing incriminating on my phone but almost everyone else alive does. In that case I would not want my phone leaving my hands, especially to such a leak-heavy police force like Chicago seems to have.

That being said from what I understand he had no problem handing over phone records, which is all they need.

Hopefully, they hand over the records to prove he was talking to his manager at 2am. They then know from his manager if by hanging up phone exactly when attack took place and they they will know what surveillance video to zero in on. Hopefully, they then catch these terrible MAGA Trump followers that are on the loose in Chicago at 2am attacking celebrities.

As to the phone issue it wouldn't be a problem for me because I'm an extremely boring person.

I have nothing incriminating on my phone but almost everyone else alive does. In that case I would not want my phone leaving my hands, especially to such a leak-heavy police force like Chicago seems to have.

That being said from what I understand he had no problem handing over phone records, which is all they need.

Hopefully, they hand over the records to prove he was talking to his manager at 2am. They then know from his manager if by hanging up phone exactly when attack took place and they they will know what surveillance video to zero in on. Hopefully, they then catch these terrible MAGA Trump followers that are on the loose in Chicago at 2am attacking celebrities.

Hopefully, they hand over the records to prove he was talking to his manager at 2am. They then know from his manager if by hanging up phone exactly when attack took place and they they will know what surveillance video to zero in on. Hopefully, they then catch these terrible MAGA Trump followers that are on the loose in Chicago at 2am attacking celebrities.

I misspoke.

It's the police. So contact Verizon and get the records.

Jussie has nothing to do with that.

But that wasn't leaked so...

Who knows if the contents of his phone would or would not be leaked. Have you found any instances of LE leaking the contents of someone's smartphone? I've seen things like apple cloud being hacked and pics leaked but not of LE leaking the contents. So you are saying that if the contents of the phone proved that Jussie was lying then LE should do what?

Who knows if the contents of his phone would or would not be leaked. Have you found any instances of LE leaking the contents of someone's smartphone? I've seen things like apple cloud being hacked and pics leaked but not of LE leaking the contents. So you are saying that if the contents of the phone proved that Jussie was lying then LE should do what?

The point is you never know once your phone is out of your hands.

So say he has nudie pics or sexy texts on his phone. With the way everything is being leaked to the press so far there's no reason for me to believe sensitive information from his phone wouldn't be leaked.

If the contents show he lied then say so, but leaking info that he didn't want to give up his phone (irrelevant) to false leaks that he's deying phone records (he has no jurisdiction) is just fueling the fire. I'll go on to wager the police already have the records but conveniently aren't leaking that they corroborate his story.

So the cops had his manager’s phone records on 2/5 and got Jussie’s today. In the article it also says the cops had Jusdie’s records from
within an hour of the incident. Wonder if they meant his report of the incident, otherwise they wouldn’t have had to ask him for it, if they already had it.

“Jussie Smollett finally provided his phone records
to the Chicago Police Department on Monday morning, hours after The Post reported his delay in providing the data.

“Phone records from Jussie’s manager were sent to police on Feb. 5 and Jussie’s records were sent over this morning. Both were sent to Chief of Staff to the Superintendent of Police Robert Boik, who confirmed receipt,” a spokesperson for the “Empire” star said in an email, 13 days after Smollett alleged he was the victim of a racist and homophobic attack.

“They have Jussie’s records from within an hour of the incident. The police confirmed receipt of the records at [2:28 p.m. EST].”

Cops requested Smollett’s phone records to corroborate a call he said he had with his manager Brandon Z. Moore during the attack.

Both men allege Smollett was called a “f—-t” and a “n—-r” during the attack and both said they heard the words “MAGA country,” an apparent reference to President Trump’s “Make America Great Again” slogan.

The police said they wanted the records so they could independently verify the two men’s accounts, which is needed for a criminal investigation, but Smollett told police he couldn’t be without his phone for several hours.

“We have no reason to doubt the statements, but for a criminal investigation, we need to independently confirm the phone records,” Chicago police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi told The Post on Sunday afternoon.”

(Edited for compliance)

“.. Smollett’s spokesperson told The Post on Monday Smollett “is the victim here” and he has provided multiple statements to the police.

“Chicago PD has repeatedly informed us that they find Jussie’s account of what happened that night consistent and credible,” the statement read.

“Superintendent Johnson has been clear from day one that Jussie is a victim. We are continuing to work closely with the Chicago PD and remain confident that they will find Jussie’s attackers and bring them to justice.”[Edited 2/11/19 16:41pm]

So the cops had his manager’s phone records on 2/5 and got Jussie’s today. In the article it also says the cops had Jusdie’s records from within an hour of the incident. Wonder if they meant his report of the incident, otherwise they wouldn’t have had to ask him for it, if they already had it. https://www.google.com/ur...7122090653Jussie Smollett finally turns phone records over to cops By Gabrielle Fonrouge February 11, 2019 | 5:38pm “Jussie Smollett finally provided his phone records to the Chicago Police Department on Monday morning, hours after The Post reported his delay in providing the data. “Phone records from Jussie’s manager were sent to police on Feb. 5 and Jussie’s records were sent over this morning. Both were sent to Chief of Staff to the Superintendent of Police Robert Boik, who confirmed receipt,” a spokesperson for the “Empire” star said in an email, 13 days after Smollett alleged he was the victim of a racist and homophobic attack. “They have Jussie’s records from within an hour of the incident. The police confirmed receipt of the records at [2:28 p.m. EST].” Cops requested Smollett’s phone records to corroborate a call he said he had with his manager Brandon Z. Moore during the attack. Both men allege Smollett was called a “f—-t” and a “n—-r” during the attack and both said they heard the words “MAGA country,” an apparent reference to President Trump’s “Make America Great Again” slogan. The police said they wanted the records so they could independently verify the two men’s accounts, which is needed for a criminal investigation, but Smollett told police he couldn’t be without his phone for several hours. “We have no reason to doubt the statements, but for a criminal investigation, we need to independently confirm the phone records,” Chicago police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi told The Post on Sunday afternoon.” (Edited for compliance) “.. Smollett’s spokesperson told The Post on Monday Smollett “is the victim here” and he has provided multiple statements to the police. “Chicago PD has repeatedly informed us that they find Jussie’s account of what happened that night consistent and credible,” the statement read. “Superintendent Johnson has been clear from day one that Jussie is a victim. We are continuing to work closely with the Chicago PD and remain confident that they will find Jussie’s attackers and bring them to justice.” [Edited 2/11/19 16:41pm]

Thanks, 2E.

It's not a lie - he was attacked and there is not reason at this juncture to assume otherwise.

[Edited 2/11/19 17:38pm]

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson

Interesting how NY Post reporters found a bottle of hot sauce that smelled like bleach, while they were retracing Jussie’s parh regarding the incident, near the area he was attacked. CPD claims they did not find it during their earlier canvass of the area, but if it turns out that’s the bottle, then it will appear CPD just missed finding it during their search. Hopefully, they will be able to pull some dna, that may possibly find someone who may be in their system from s prior arrest or crime, who they could question.

“A New York Post reporter said they found an empty hot sauce bottle which was partially filled with a liquid that smelled like bleach near the location where "Empire" actor Jussie Smollett.

CHICAGO - An empty bottle that smells like bleach was found near the location where "Empire" actor Jussie Smollett said he was attacked by two men in late January, Chicago police said Monday.

The bottle, which was found by New York Post reporters who retraced Smollett's path through Streeterville the night of the attack, was sent to a lab for analysis.

Smollett, 36, had told police that the attackers had poured an unknown, bleach-smelling liquid on him and put a noose around neck after yelling racist and homophobic slurs as he walked to Subway at about 2 a.m. Jan. 29 in the 300-block of East North Water Street.

The hot sauce bottle was partially filled with a clear liquid that smelled like bleach, according to a New York Post story confirmed by Chicago police. The Post claimed they found it near the foot of a stairwell to the Loews.”[b][Edited 2/11/19 18:23pm]

The bottle was found by New York Post reporters

Yeah I know, right. All the investigators that canvassed the area immediately after he (finally) got around to calling the police didn't find a thing, but Whoomp There It Is for a NY Post reporter to find.

His neighbors think he's lying, and as one of them (Agin Muhammad) said "I’ve been in this neighborhood five years. I don’t believe it, not around here … Half the people are gay and the other half are black."

So it's highly likely that somebody from that neighborhood is trying to cover for him, not to mention the fact any bottle of bleach would have frozen if someone was hanging outside with it. Bleach freezes at 18 degrees, it was 9 below zero with wind chills around 40 below. But ignorant folk continue to choose to be ignorant, I s'pose.

Just like they want to believe a well-off famous person living in a luxury apartment who had supposedly received death threats would go out at 2AM BY THEMSELF in sub-freezing temperatures instead of using Uber Eats, Door Dash, GrubHub, Postmates, or an associate/assistant/security/whomever to get it for them. Makes no damn sense whatsoever and 99% of society doesn't believe it, but of course innocent until proven guilty which is why the police and media ain't saying yet that he's guilty.

Whether or not he got roughed up by someone he met on Grinder or by just some random dangalang, if he's lying then he is selfishly doing a massive disservice to the gay community as he is making it that much harder for any real victims to be believed in the future. No different than all the damage done to the African American community by Tawana Brawley, Crystal Mangum, etc. But the ignorant folks who jumped to the conclusion that the attack actually happened strictly because of the MAGA accusation don't give a damn about the damage, which takes it to a whole 'nother level of ignorance. So very, very sad. I mean I know how much he hates Trump and wants to turn people against Trump by portraying his attackers as Trump supporters, but damn even for radical liberals that's going too far.

"Jussie Smollett wanted to become the Rosa Parks of Gay Black Men, but instead he became the Rosie Ruiz."

Crazy! A reporter from NY found a bottle that might be evidence? This investigation is such a cluster****.

They retraced the path he took that night. Guess they don’t trust that CPD did a good search. The police confirmed the bottle was found by the reporters, and the police turned the bottle over to the FBI who sent the bottle to a lab for testing.

But besides that, I’m pretty sure many of the crazy, conspiracy nuts all over osocial media forums, are drumming up their fantasized version of the incident, and don’t really care if Jussie was attacked. They’ve already made him a liar in their mind, and giving him the ‘suspect’ treatment vs victim’, as they’re dripping pleasure from their mouths and sweat from their armpits, hoping the incident is a lie, and how many likes they get for making a vid or talking about the incident. It’s like a social media lynch mob going after Jussie. Am I surprised? Absolutely not.

But whether the conspiracy nuts spend all their time trashing Jussie, like it or not, they’ll just have to wait until all the evidence presents itself, and when the investigation is over to find out the results of it all. [Edited 2/12/19 6:37am]

The bottle was found by New York Post reporters

Yeah I know, right. All the investigators that canvassed the area immediately after he (finally) got around to calling the police didn't find a thing, but Whoomp There It Is for a NY Post reporter to find.

His neighbors think he's lying, and as one of them (Agin Muhammad) said "I’ve been in this neighborhood five years. I don’t believe it, not around here … Half the people are gay and the other half are black."

So it's highly likely that somebody from that neighborhood is trying to cover for him, not to mention the fact any bottle of bleach would have frozen if someone was hanging outside with it. Bleach freezes at 18 degrees, it was 9 below zero with wind chills around 40 below. But ignorant folk continue to choose to be ignorant, I s'pose.

Just like they want to believe a well-off famous person living in a luxury apartment who had supposedly received death threats would go out at 2AM BY THEMSELF in sub-freezing temperatures instead of using Uber Eats, Door Dash, GrubHub, Postmates, or an associate/assistant/security/whomever to get it for them. Makes no damn sense whatsoever and 99% of society doesn't believe it, but of course innocent until proven guilty which is why the police and media ain't saying yet that he's guilty.

Whether or not he got roughed up by someone he met on Grinder or by just some random dangalang, if he's lying then he is selfishly doing a massive disservice to the gay community as he is making it that much harder for any real victims to be believed in the future. No different than all the damage done to the African American community by Tawana Brawley, Crystal Mangum, etc. But the ignorant folks who jumped to the conclusion that the attack actually happened strictly because of the MAGA accusation don't give a damn about the damage, which takes it to a whole 'nother level of ignorance. So very, very sad. I mean I know how much he hates Trump and wants to turn people against Trump by portraying his attackers as Trump supporters, but damn even for radical liberals that's going too far.

The bottle was found by New York Post reporters

Yeah I know, right. All the investigators that canvassed the area immediately after he (finally) got around to calling the police didn't find a thing, but Whoomp There It Is for a NY Post reporter to find.

His neighbors think he's lying, and as one of them (Agin Muhammad) said "I’ve been in this neighborhood five years. I don’t believe it, not around here … Half the people are gay and the other half are black."

So it's highly likely that somebody from that neighborhood is trying to cover for him, not to mention the fact any bottle of bleach would have frozen if someone was hanging outside with it. Bleach freezes at 18 degrees, it was 9 below zero with wind chills around 40 below. But ignorant folk continue to choose to be ignorant, I s'pose.

Just like they want to believe a well-off famous person living in a luxury apartment who had supposedly received death threats would go out at 2AM BY THEMSELF in sub-freezing temperatures instead of using Uber Eats, Door Dash, GrubHub, Postmates, or an associate/assistant/security/whomever to get it for them. Makes no damn sense whatsoever and 99% of society doesn't believe it, but of course innocent until proven guilty which is why the police and media ain't saying yet that he's guilty.

Whether or not he got roughed up by someone he met on Grinder or by just some random dangalang, if he's lying then he is selfishly doing a massive disservice to the gay community as he is making it that much harder for any real victims to be believed in the future. No different than all the damage done to the African American community by Tawana Brawley, Crystal Mangum, etc. But the ignorant folks who jumped to the conclusion that the attack actually happened strictly because of the MAGA accusation don't give a damn about the damage, which takes it to a whole 'nother level of ignorance. So very, very sad. I mean I know how much he hates Trump and wants to turn people against Trump by portraying his attackers as Trump supporters, but damn even for radical liberals that's going too far.

Pokeno, I see you mentioning over and over that the freezing temperature for bleach is 18 degrees. While you are correct, you also have to take into consideration how long it would take a bottle of bleach to freeze. When I place an ice tray into my freezer (well below the freezing temperature for water), it will take several hours before those ice cubes (small amount of water) to freeze. If they had just purchased the bleach and were walking, it would not have frozen that quickly. Or if they'd been in a car with the bleach, knew it was time for him to come, it would not have had time to freeze.

I've also heard many news reports in which violence occurred in a certain area and people were shocked because "nothing like that ever happens in this area". The invidivuals in question may not be from that neighborhood. They may have targeted him because he was well-known from the show he is in. As for going out by himself at 2 AM, that may be the only time he can go out by himself, and I know where I am, if the weather is really bad, things like Uber, etc., stop delivering during bad weather.

So the cops had his manager’s phone records on 2/5 and got Jussie’s today. In the article it also says the cops had Jusdie’s records from within an hour of the incident. Wonder if they meant his report of the incident, otherwise they wouldn’t have had to ask him for it, if they already had it. https://www.google.com/ur...7122090653Jussie Smollett finally turns phone records over to cops By Gabrielle Fonrouge February 11, 2019 | 5:38pm “Jussie Smollett finally provided his phone records to the Chicago Police Department on Monday morning, hours after The Post reported his delay in providing the data. “Phone records from Jussie’s manager were sent to police on Feb. 5 and Jussie’s records were sent over this morning. Both were sent to Chief of Staff to the Superintendent of Police Robert Boik, who confirmed receipt,” a spokesperson for the “Empire” star said in an email, 13 days after Smollett alleged he was the victim of a racist and homophobic attack. “They have Jussie’s records from within an hour of the incident. The police confirmed receipt of the records at [2:28 p.m. EST].” Cops requested Smollett’s phone records to corroborate a call he said he had with his manager Brandon Z. Moore during the attack. Both men allege Smollett was called a “f—-t” and a “n—-r” during the attack and both said they heard the words “MAGA country,” an apparent reference to President Trump’s “Make America Great Again” slogan. The police said they wanted the records so they could independently verify the two men’s accounts, which is needed for a criminal investigation, but Smollett told police he couldn’t be without his phone for several hours. “We have no reason to doubt the statements, but for a criminal investigation, we need to independently confirm the phone records,” Chicago police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi told The Post on Sunday afternoon.” (Edited for compliance) “.. Smollett’s spokesperson told The Post on Monday Smollett “is the victim here” and he has provided multiple statements to the police. “Chicago PD has repeatedly informed us that they find Jussie’s account of what happened that night consistent and credible,” the statement read. “Superintendent Johnson has been clear from day one that Jussie is a victim. We are continuing to work closely with the Chicago PD and remain confident that they will find Jussie’s attackers and bring them to justice.” [Edited 2/11/19 16:41pm]

Thanks, 2E.

It's not a lie - he was attacked and there is not reason at this juncture to assume otherwise.

[Edited 2/11/19 17:38pm]

Some here so badly want the incident to be a lie. Look at how they’re working overtime, and losing sleep, even going off topic to convince themselves that it was. [Edited 2/12/19 5:15am]

So the cops had his manager’s phone records on 2/5 and got Jussie’s today. In the article it also says the cops had Jusdie’s records from within an hour of the incident. Wonder if they meant his report of the incident, otherwise they wouldn’t have had to ask him for it, if they already had it. https://www.google.com/ur...7122090653

Jussie Smollett finally turns phone records over to cops By Gabrielle Fonrouge February 11, 2019 | 5:38pm “Jussie Smollett finally provided his phone records to the Chicago Police Department on Monday morning, hours after The Post reported his delay in providing the data. “Phone records from Jussie’s manager were sent to police on Feb. 5 and Jussie’s records were sent over this morning. Both were sent to Chief of Staff to the Superintendent of Police Robert Boik, who confirmed receipt,” a spokesperson for the “Empire” star said in an email, 13 days after Smollett alleged he was the victim of a racist and homophobic attack. “They have Jussie’s records from within an hour of the incident. The police confirmed receipt of the records at [2:28 p.m. EST].” Cops requested Smollett’s phone records to corroborate a call he said he had with his manager Brandon Z. Moore during the attack.

Both men allege Smollett was called a “f—-t” and a “n—-r” during the attack and both said they heard the words “MAGA country,” an apparent reference to President Trump’s “Make America Great Again” slogan. The police said they wanted the records so they could independently verify the two men’s accounts, which is needed for a criminal investigation, but Smollett told police he couldn’t be without his phone for several hours. “We have no reason to doubt the statements, but for a criminal investigation, we need to independently confirm the phone records,” Chicago police spokesman Anthony Guglielmi told The Post on Sunday afternoon.” (Edited for compliance)

“.. Smollett’s spokesperson told The Post on Monday Smollett “is the victim here” and he has provided multiple statements to the police. “Chicago PD has repeatedly informed us that they find Jussie’s account of what happened that night consistent and credible,” the statement read. “Superintendent Johnson has been clear from day one that Jussie is a victim. We are continuing to work closely with the Chicago PD and remain confident that they will find Jussie’s attackers and bring them to justice.”

DiminutiveRocker said:

Thanks, 2E.

It's not a lie - he was attacked and there is not reason at this juncture to assume otherwise.

Some here so badly want the incident to be a lie. Look at how they’re working overtime, and losing sleep, even going off topic to convince themselves that it was.

Exactly. We already have a thread to post (the same) Maga hat boy videos on. Off topic. Lots of hyperbolic words being thrown around. Off the rails of an actual discussion which is what this is supposed to be.

Some here so badly want the incident to be a lie. Look at how they’re working overtime, and losing sleep, even going off topic to convince themselves that it was.

Exactly. We already have a thread to post (the same) Maga hat boy videos on. Off topic. Lots of hyperbolic words being thrown around. Off the rails of an actual discussion which is what this is supposed to be.

[Edited 2/12/19 5:21am]

I bet something else happens that is wack and MAGA hat related. They want to make it illegal to wear red hats. This stinks of propaganda. Think if it was the other way around? Some Republicans getting attacked by Dems and it just so happens they are good friends with someone at FOX News. Be smart.