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Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

Originally Posted by Paintry4

wo wo wo sasuke kirin?? Itachi did dodge it easily.with that kirin takes all da chakra and create opening for the opponent to attack.
I wud like to go for sandaime raikage.his lightning techniques are awesome.

Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

your link seems to not be working for me but i just read ch.555 and when Naruto is talking to Hachibi, Hachibi says that he and the third had their jutsu in hand but they never used it.

and im not a "lord sasuke fanboy" im a Sasuke fan but not fanboy and I hate the people who call him "lord" just as much as you do.
Also you shouldnt call me a sasuke fanboy when your logic is "king Naruto is > than the whole nv combined.

Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

your link seems to not be working for me but i just read ch.555 and when Naruto is talking to Hachibi, Hachibi says that he and the third had their jutsu in hand but they never used it.

and im not a "lord sasuke fanboy" im a Sasuke fan but not fanboy and I hate the people who call him "lord" just as much as you do.
Also you shouldnt call me a sasuke fanboy when your logic is "king Naruto is > than the whole nv combined.

Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

Actually your wrong because it was actually proven that 3rd raikage took himself down. Also hachibi didnt really remember how the fight ended thats why he said "wait.... was it?"

No, you're wrong.

If Hachibi's asking himself if it was his Tailed Beast Bomb that took down the Sandaime Raikage, even if it was not the Tailed Beast Bomb, this implies that he did use the Tailed Beast Bomb against the Sandaime Raikage (and that it failed to hurt him, at that)

Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

So, people, does Raikiri beat the Raikages armor?

I believe it does, as Chidori is an inferior version of the Raikiri yet it managed to penetrate the armor, to a degree. Raikiri is stated to be a "more concentrated version" on the Wiki. It's name even hints at it, and the kicker:

Kakashi created the technique when Kumo and Konoha were at war. Could he have (at least subconsciously) been considering its effect on the Raikages legendary technique?

It might even have worked, as a tiny silver-haired kid about old enough to still be play-pretending to be a ninja couldn't possibly be high on the thread list of any Kage, and he'd have trusted in the Armor to protect him in any case.

(YES; YOU HEARD ME; KID KAKASHI IS [IN POSSESION OF THE ELEMENT OF SURPRISE] OVER ANY KAGE, EXCEPT MINATO!!!!!)

Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

Originally Posted by Takos

Kirin is very useless in most battles. There is a reason it was used only once and the reason is, it's impractical as hell with the need to heat up the atmosphere. It was only useful against Itachi because Amaterasu was enough for preparations, otherwise he would have to use normal katons which could take ages.

Excuse my double posting... But Great Dragon Flame Jutsu is powerful enough in Sasuke's arsenal to heat the atmosphere. Plus Amaterasu, if needed.

Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

Excuse my double posting... But Great Dragon Flame Jutsu is powerful enough in Sasuke's arsenal to heat the atmosphere. Plus Amaterasu, if needed.

Enough Amaterasu to heat the atmosphere sufficiently would tire even EMS Sasuke a fair amount, and it takes TIME (which seems to never be mentioned) for the clouds to gather and lightning to erupt.

Even if you DID allow Sasuke a fully prepared Kirin (or a handy thunderstorm) he STILL couldn't hit the Raikage (either of them).

You can't hit what you can't see, and Sasuke can't register the Raikages at full speed.

And even if the Raikage (pick one) STOOD STILL at the moment of casting, he COULD DODGE IT.

Only the actual discharge of electrical energy is lightning fast (trust me, I've read up on this, researching the Kirin, see my previous posts. I might actually be the most well-informed person on that technique in the entire BASE.) and there are far slower preliminary stages involved in a lightning strike, like the "feeler stage", which would give someone as fast as the Raikage (you must CHOOOOSE) could use to dodge it.

Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

sasukes raiton is clearly on a much higher level then kakashis.. sasuke has KIRIN ppl the best lightning jutsu we have ever seen only the sussano can defend against it. the 3rd raikage has a fancier chidori called hell stab but sasuke has chidori chidori sharp spear chidori senbon chidori nagashi he can run raiton through his weapons he has made lightning a very powerful asset 2 him

Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

Enough Amaterasu to heat the atmosphere sufficiently would tire even EMS Sasuke a fair amount, and it takes TIME (which seems to never be mentioned) for the clouds to gather and lightning to erupt.

Even if you DID allow Sasuke a fully prepared Kirin (or a handy thunderstorm) he STILL couldn't hit the Raikage (either of them).

You can't hit what you can't see, and Sasuke can't register the Raikages at full speed.

And even if the Raikage (pick one) STOOD STILL at the moment of casting, he COULD DODGE IT.

Only the actual discharge of electrical energy is lightning fast (trust me, I've read up on this, researching the Kirin, see my previous posts. I might actually be the most well-informed person on that technique in the entire BASE.) and there are far slower preliminary stages involved in a lightning strike, like the "feeler stage", which would give someone as fast as the Raikage (you must CHOOOOSE) could use to dodge it.

Notice that the actual strike happens in a single frame, even for a high-speed camera, but the feelers are comparatively sluggish.

You obviously didn't read when I said 3rd Raikage for the win....... And I'm going about this in its uses and Sasuke's much more versatile with his Raiton in defense. 3rd's was completely offensive, with his rock hard body [pause] attributing to his defense. All around statistics in balance would favor Sasuke, as 3rd Raikage's Raiton breaks the scale in offense.. Which'd kill Sasuke indefinitely.

But in the end, I'm going about this in technicalities... Their proficiency in creating techniques and uses Sasuke has the most balanced arsenal.

Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

Originally Posted by Uchiha boii

sasukes raiton is clearly on a much higher level then kakashis.. sasuke has KIRIN ppl the best lightning jutsu we have ever seen only the sussano can defend against it. the 3rd raikage has a fancier chidori called hell stab but sasuke has chidori chidori sharp spear chidori senbon chidori nagashi he can run raiton through his weapons he has made lightning a very powerful asset 2 him

Kirin is a situational jutsu of great strength yet equally great drawbacks. It IS stronger than any of Kakashi's Raiton, true (except maybe the Raiden, as slicing through V2 Jinks like butter seems like it could give even Kirin trouble, and Raiden is easier, cheaper and MUCH more versatile) (we'll table any discussions about Raikiri slicing through Kirin for now) yet the Third Raikage deals with Kirin easily. Interestingly, it seems like Kakashi might be able to take the Third (refer to my previous post about Raikiri and the Raikages armor) in a Raiton battle, so you have something like Rock-Paper-Scissors.

The order is like this:

Sasuke>Third>Kakashi>Sasuke

Yet the argument can be made that Kakashi wins overall. For one, he invented most if not all of his demonstrated Raito techs (Sasuke's are all variations of Chidori) and that might not be the case for the Raikage. Anyway, Kakashi seems to beat the Raikage, so he would be on top.

EDIT: Sorry, Koha, I only read the last comment and your avatar and sig certainly imply a LITTLE favoritisation os Sasuke.

Re: Who was the best lightning release (raiton) user?

Originally Posted by Koha

You obviously didn't read when I said 3rd Raikage for the win....... And I'm going about this in its uses and Sasuke's much more versatile with his Raiton in defense. 3rd's was completely offensive, with his rock hard body [pause] attributing to his defense. All around statistics in balance would favor Sasuke, as 3rd Raikage's Raiton breaks the scale in offense.. Which'd kill Sasuke indefinitely.

But in the end, I'm going about this in technicalities... Their proficiency in creating techniques and uses Sasuke has the most balanced arsenal.