Granderson and Jackson nuggets

UPDATE: 10:01 PM: Things seem to have really slowed down. For Nightengale’s insistence that the Tigers want to move Granderson this week, othersaren’t seeing the same things. Buster Olney on Baseball Tonight said the Tigers asked for Austin Jackson and Phil Hughes from the Yankees for Grandy and from the Cubs they wanted Starlin Castro and 2 pitching prospects. Phil Rogers says the Mariners may be in on Granderson and Ed Price further confirms the Diamondbacks interest in Edwin Jackson. And Dombrowski has a weak denial (my interpretation) that the team is close to any deals.

The Cubs and Yankees have been mentioned as two potential destinations for Granderson. Not coincidentally both have some interest in Mike Cameron and according to Sherman the Cubs like Melky Cabrera. I don’t know what this all means.

I’m fine with trading Jackson, but ONLY if the buyer overrates him. If he’s being traded at a realistic valuation, we might as well keep him.

Walt

December 7, 2009 at 2:59 pm

Mlbtr have a link suggesting Edwin to the Mets.

RPS

December 7, 2009 at 3:10 pm

Wilmer Flores and Fernando Martinez too much to hope for? How bad is the Mets’ FO, exactly?

Walt

December 7, 2009 at 3:18 pm

Denied.

stephen

December 7, 2009 at 3:59 pm

Unless they get major league talent in return, trading Jackson marks the close of this team as a franchise to take seriously. much less a contender.
I have been a longtime critic of this current team, but trading a young stud with a middling salary is a mind-blowing capitulation. And before anyone jumps on me, I know Jackson tailed off badly in the second half. I’m not saying he’s half as good as Verlander, but to trade a guy in his mid 20s with that kind of stuff for prospects is surrender.

And if they say it’s a cost-cutting move that just makes it all the more insane. This would be like the United States saying because we are at war in Iraq and Afghanistan we have a budget deficit so we’re going to…cut the education budget. The money that will be saved is damn miniscule in comparison to the rest of the Tigers nightmare payroll.

I’m sure some will say, ‘but Jax/Grandy are the ones who can actually be dealt and save us money.’ Wrong answer! The solution to wasting 40-50 million next year on wash-outs and never weres is not to cut the pay of actual contributors. It’s to suck it up and learn from your mistakes, not get rid of your positive assets.

I’m willing to wait and see who they get, but if they trade Jax/Granderson for prospects I guarantee you that will result in Leyland getting fired by 8/1 and the team goes into full Royals mode.

Birdy

December 7, 2009 at 4:29 pm

Do you promise? No more of these posts until we see who they get? Thanks.

Andre in Chi

December 7, 2009 at 4:49 pm

I think its much more a case of trading high on Jackson. We saw “two Jacksons” last season, and there’s no certainty as to which we’ll see going forward. If the Tigers can get a team to trade for the All Star-Jackson, then you do it. As a Boras client, most people agree that the Tiger’s chances of signing him to an extension are slim, so instead of risking losing Jackson to FA, better to deal him if you can get something in return (various people are saying that the Tigers’ asking price is very high).

Don’t get me wrong, I think the Tigers would probably be better with Jackson in 2010, but there’s a risk that the first half of 2009 doesn’t repeat. I don’t think this is a cost-cutting move, I think its a forward thinking move.

Andre in Chi

December 7, 2009 at 4:58 pm

“I’m willing to wait and see who they get, but if they trade Jax/Granderson for prospects I guarantee you that will result in Leyland getting fired by 8/1 and the team goes into full Royals mode.”

Couple things wrong with this. First, Leyland doesn’t have anything to do with what happens with Jackson or Granderson. Second, if they’re in this supposed Royals (I’m assuming [shame on me] that you mean cost-cutting) mode, then how does having to pay the rest of Leyland’s contract after they fire him, while finding and hiring his replacement, achieve that goal?

Kathy

December 7, 2009 at 4:05 pm

Ken Rosenthal is saying Lyon will turn down arbitration. The Yankees are interested in him. After tonight, my computer will be shut down for 2 days while I’m moving. Maybe that’s a good thing! I feel like I’m going to cry.

Kathy

December 7, 2009 at 4:23 pm

Edwin is one of my favorite Tigers, also one of the best looking. They better get a lot for him.

Kathy

December 7, 2009 at 4:42 pm

I have to go pick up my grandson. Bet Edwin will be gone by the time I get back.

Keith (Mr. X)

December 7, 2009 at 4:44 pm

Jackson rumors are getting ridiculous. So some joe hears Jacksons name in a hotel lobby, so he puts it on Twitter that he got traded. What a loser.

If Arizona is the likeliest destination for Jackson, who on their team do we want in return? (and don’t say James Skelton)…

Is Stephen Drew in that conversation? Miguel Montero? Max Scherzer? Those are pretty much the only guys that are really interesting (outside of Upton, Haren and Webb, obviously) and I doubt Jackson is enough to get one of them. I also don’t have any idea about Arizona replacing one of those guys.

EDIT: Joel and Vince’s posts would presume that Stephen Drew is not part of any Jackson trade.

Keith (Mr. X)

December 7, 2009 at 5:44 pm

I hope these lobby twitter joes are getting Edwin confused with Conner Jackson

brett

December 7, 2009 at 5:29 pm

I read something about Jackson/Scherzer on mlbtr a few days ago. Not sure if it had any weight to it at all, but i’d love 3 or 4(?) years of Scherzer for two of Jackson.

Mark@HOU

December 7, 2009 at 5:50 pm

Getting Scherzer would be fantastic. It would be 3 years, but I think The dback’s would be silly to give him up for Jackson.

They have two viable catchers Synder and Montero, unfortunately Synder and a prospect sounds about right.

Steve in Det

December 7, 2009 at 7:05 pm

Actually I think a ML ready pitcher is or should be apart of the deal Mark. I don’t see the tigers with Laird and Avila that a catcher is going to a part of the deal. With one more year of Laird (obviously none trade able) and then up and start Avila, we don’t really have a need for a catcher til maybe next year.

The smartest move would be for the Tigers to move in on a ML ready pitcher. along with 1 A grade prospect or 2 mid tier prospects for Edwin. Especially if we are selling high and the trade is all but set in stone to a team.

Keith (Mr. X)

December 7, 2009 at 7:23 pm

Why don’t we just trade the farm to get Jurrjens back, and then trade him to SF so that we can get Renteria back.

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