I agree one can go dirt cheap nowadays at $650 and get 3 guns under $2k. I chose mid range with the M&P15 because it was as the miltary puts it, "highest quality at the lowest price" in my budget. Imho, 2 M&P15's is better than 3 American Tactical rifles. I think 2 M&P15's is better than one high end rifle because guns get lonely too. If your wife jams up 1/600 shots hopefully your 1/600 will not coincide with hers. Also, you can handle more tangos with two rifles.

I don't care which brand you choose it doesn't have to be my rifle maker. Claymore mentioned several good ones. If you break the bank on one $3k rifle you have nothing left for ammo. Don't forget in a, "scat hits the fan" (shtf) scenario you can't eat bullets, drink gunpowder, or provide shelter with an AR-15. You need $ for first aid supplies, water, MRE's, and survival gear. Come up with a hunker down plan and plan B: bugout option. Get your stuff together and practice how you will execute either plan.

They are the original founders of Bushmaster. When Bushmaster was bought-out by “Freedom Group, Inc” and closed out the Windham, Mass Bushmaster plant, Richard Dyke (Bushmaster’s original CEO) purchased the property and started re-hiring laid-off employees.

Their motto is “The Quality Goes In, Before the Gun Goes Out”.

Retail on their line of rifles goes from about $950.00 to $1,675.00, but I understand that they can be gotten for about 25% under that.

If I was going to get a new AR-15 to trust my life on, their Model CDI is set up to take whatever you may want.

It is the “pricey” one with a retail of about $1,675.00. But it looks like a friendly dealer might find one for about $1,250.00 to $1,300.00.

_________________"Rangers Lead the Way"

18Z, 11B4X

"The last thing that I want to do is to hurt you,...................... but it's still on the list."

I was at Gander Mtn today and saw a DPMS AR-15 going for $799 and a Bushmaster Carbon 15 w/red-dot scop attached for $899. Seems Remington likes to include a scope with every gun. You knock off a $100 for the "cheap" scope and the gun is probably $799. I think they're banking low-info gun buyers and brand recognition of the Bushmaster name. One odd thing I noticed was a picatinney rail was mounted on top of the gun's picatinney rail and then the scope was attached. I figured it was a riser for clearing peep sights but no peeps were attached.

They had a load of AR-15 and AR-10's chambered in .22LR. I DON'T SEE paying $550 for a .22LR in an AR style rifle when I can get a good Ruger 10/22. The Remington .22LR I gave Ben has cycling problems every 10 rounds or so with all 3 magazines. I can't get an accurate price looking at Gander Mtn as they charge $400 above MSRP for my M&P15.

It only cycles with 1000+ fps ammo. The CB or quiet .22 is too slow. I'm not aware of any issues with the .22 Long ammo I used on the camping shooting event. Maybe it likes Longs better than mini-mags even though its a .22 LR. Given Remington's bad rep it maybe just due to it being a 2nd tier gun.

Is there any state or fed law probibiting a person from eliminating the stock and using the pistol grip only? I was reminded of the joke Hickok made about the AR being so light weight that it can be another handgun.

RRCmdrBennett wrote:Is there any state or fed law probibiting a person from eliminating the stock and using the pistol grip only? I was reminded of the joke Hickok made about the AR being so light weight that it can be another handgun.

There is no Federal prohibiting it, so long as the Barrel is at least 16 inches long AND the Overall Length of the gun is at least 26 inches.

However, it would't be worth a Snot.

The rifle would be absolutely ineffective (for most shooters) at any range over 30 feet.

We had some Pistol Grip Shotguns in our Drug Unit, and some of the SWAT Apes on the Entry Team thought that they would be cool with those shotguns.

I took them to the outdoor qualification, and almost everyone of them shot over a human silhouette target at 25 to 30 feet. You instinctively point the gun high, because you tend to lock your strong elbow, while you bend your weak elbow.

_________________"Rangers Lead the Way"

18Z, 11B4X

"The last thing that I want to do is to hurt you,...................... but it's still on the list."