I dont know if this is the whitelist sign up spot, but can i get whitelisted? Im really interested in this server, it looks just perfect! Im a good builder (I like building is what i mean by that lol), so you can expect to see me building half the time.

You kidding me? From what i read, wiki and sceince textbook say "Bronze is somwhat stronger then iron, but much harder to work with and quite expencive to produce". Bronze age ended when people discoverd you dont need to do so much work to make somthing SHINY. Dont be brainwashed by runescape, people. I HATE it when people use games as a refernce, like everyone learning from Black ops that russian soldiers consist of paper mache...

Well, I HATE it when people use one or two sources (Wikipedia is written by everyday Joes, and your science book is probably outdated) to answer a question and think that they have every right in the world to be a tough guy because they think they're correct.

Iron is lighter and harder than bronze
It depends on how you make them, but bronze is around 7,400 - 8,900 kg/m^3, and cast iron is 6,800 - 7,800 kg/m^3. So most iron is going to be somewhat lighter than most bronze alloys.

There are actually several different kinds of "strength". When it comes to holding an edge, the important one is hardness. Hardness varies a lot depending on h
how you make the metal; you can actually add enough tin to bronze to make it harder than the softest irons. But in general bronze is much softer than iron: around 80 on the Brinnell scale, while the softest iron is 110-140. If you temper the iron to make it marstenitic, a technology they would have developed fairly early, it can reach 500 on the Brinnell scale. That actually makes bronze easier to sharpen, but it won’t hold the edge as well, which is the important thing.

Other strength factors include resistance to shear, torsion, bending, compression, as well as the question of whether they break or bend when subjected to these forces. Different alloys and different annealing methods yield different values, depending on what factor you’re after for a particular application. In general, iron is stronger in most of these factors. For example, cast iron has a yield strength of 200 MPa, compared to 125 for bronze.

Also, why the hell is Runescape even being talked about?

Ahem, i used google on bronze, and found a website that copyed your post! I matched it up, and that website copyed over 75% of your post! They should be shut down for Plagerisem! Sorry to be rude, but websites are ALSO written by everyday joes. Nice try, copy pasting website info
"With the exception of steel, bronze is superior to iron in nearly every application. Although bronze develops a patina, it does not oxidize beyond the surface. It is considerably less brittle than iron and has a lower casting temperature" - New World Encyclopedia
Man, be open minded. I just hate it when my info collides with other peoples beleifs. At the end of the day, after these arguments, no one wins. They are just an utter wast of time.

Also, makeing gunpowder sound interesting it meh, considering the way we make gun powder today is not by running from creepas, but instead mining differnt materials and mixing them up to make ze black powder. There should be Saltpeter in the game, about as rare as iron, then there should be Sulfer, found near volcanos, wich i hope will be interoduced, combined with the already existing charcoal, sulfer+charcoal = 2 Black powders, equal to what creepers drop. Then, combined with saltpeter (wich can also be found in caves uhh to explain, the USA dident have much saltpeter to mine in the american revolution, so they collected...uhh Bat Sh*t(or maybe it was sulfer...lol idk) and used that. Indians use Elephant Sh*t to make theirs)would make 3 gunpowder, wich can be used to make possibly ammo for cannons, high grade mineing TNT, and much more.

And i support this thread, due to the fact that even thou sceintists in real life have created the strongest thing on earth, black diamond, they dont use it to make drills and stuff, because they wonder how in a snowballs chance in hell do we shape and smelt Diamand. It would take a freaking long time to make a diamond pick, but in minecraft it takes a blink of an eye. Metal is what shaped technolegy, and i think notch could do the same with minecraft. I think if bronze and tin and copper were intruduced, they would BE

And as said before: Bronze is weaker then iron. Wiki a bit our history... There was a time when mankind used bronze weapons to kill each other... AFTER that, they discoverd, that iron was a lot stronger then bronze.

And not long ago... mankind discovered that steel (formed out of iron and coal) is even stronger then iron itself.

So if a multi-smelting furnace is implemented, the gap between iron and diamond can be closed by steal (suggested multiple times before)

You kidding me? From what i read, wiki and sceince textbook say "Bronze is somwhat stronger then iron, but much harder to work with and quite expencive to produce". Bronze age ended when people discoverd you dont need to do so much work to make somthing SHINY. Dont be brainwashed by runescape, people. I HATE it when people use games as a refernce, like everyone learning from Black ops that russian soldiers consist of paper mache...

Sorry but it wasent very fun to me. Runing down hallways packed with zombies that die, but immedietly respawn. I say make it a little easier, so i can enjoy it. The idea is real good though, but still needs a little work.

If this suggestion were implemented, the new tool tiers would be in the order of wood, then stone, then tin*, then copper, then iron, then bronze, then steel, then diamond, correct? Or would bronze be weaker than iron, or tin weaker than stone, or what?

The tier would go:
Wood
Stone
Tin
Copper
Bronze
Iron
Steel
Diamond

Bronze is tougher then iron, but is harder to work with and more expensive to get.

Bronze is somewhat stronger then iron, but is more unworkable and harder to make then iron. So it was cheaper and mor efficent to use iron then bronze. I think if bronze or steel was implemented into the game, it would make tougher armor and wepons and not as strong tools.And steel is NOT made by burning coal under it. Look it up on google and see the process of iron+limestone(or other high carbon non flammable material)>pig iron>steel.

Bronze is somewhat stronger then iron, but is more unworkable and harder to make then iron. So it was cheaper and mor efficent to use iron then bronze. I think if bronze or steel was implemented into the game, it would make tougher armor and wepons and not as strong tools.And steel is NOT made by burning coal under it. Look it up on google and see the process of iron+limestone(or other high carbon non flammable material)>pig iron>steel.

Bronze is somewhat stronger then iron, but is more unworkable and harder to make then iron. So it was cheaper and mor efficent to use iron then bronze. I think if bronze or steel was implemented into the game, it would make tougher armor and wepons and not as strong tools.And steel is NOT made by burning coal under it. Look it up on google and see the process of iron+limestone(or other high carbon non flammable material)>pig iron>steel.

Isent mitheral created when you mix slilver and iron(or was it steel..?cobalt?)? I think if ANY material should be made, it should be Steel, but then notch would have to introduce limstone and pigiron...BUT if steel or mithril is created, they should make very strong(and light)armor and weps, and a tiny bit better picks.Oh and Inbijiburu
, i think he got it from runescape.

Ever since i made my first boat, i couldent get over how small they were, i had the idea of custom boats, witch could have rooms and decks, instead of just a seat. The way this would work is that you would craft a block thats like a boat, exept it hangs just below the water. You could add normal blocks to that floting block, making a base for your boat witch you could add rooms to and eventully a captins chair on the top. The way the boat would move is like a normal boat, exept the blocks you have stuck to your boat would make it very slow, depending on weight of blocks(ex.Wool and wood the lightest,rock and metal blocks the heavyest). To counter the weight of your ship, you have to add wool blocks to it(as sails)and the more wool blocks you have, the faster your ship goes(maybe the higher up the wool sails are, the faster your ship goes...?).And maybe later, you could set your ship to cruse at a certain speed without you piloting it. This could open a whole new world of building massive Frigates, fast Sloops and luxurious Sailboats.

I KNOW this would be hard to script, but i am no moder, nor am i Notch, so i am just putting the idea out there. And if this is to hard to script, or cause lagg, then maybe another boat system could be scripted in.

Any comments saying your opinion, or stating facts or flaws are welcome, and thanks for your time, i hope that more people are going to be interested in the idea of,well, BIGGER boats.