Why Build the Mosque at Ground Zero?

Why build the mosque cultural centre at Ground Zero when it will attract massive waves of hate and hate-motivated attacks?

DUH, because it will attract massive waves of hate and hate-motivated attacks. What better way to ‘prove’ that Islamophobia is real and deeply ingrained in America and pave the way for more concessions in the name of ‘tolerance’?

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9/11 was at its heart motivated by that same bigoted need to suppress the infidels, that drive the Saudi, Malaysian and UAE construction projects. That same drive is behind the Ground Zero mosque. It is the combination of an inferiority complex and a hatred for non-Muslims, that same combination which causes the left and some on the far-right to urge us to feel ashamed of how badly we must be treating Muslims, for them to feel that way. But the reason that Muslims feel this way is because they cannot accept non-Muslims as equals. It was the reason why they banned synagogues and churches from being taller than mosques. It is why non-Muslims are still not allowed into Mecca.

Bigotry drives Muslims to prove that non-Muslims are inferior. When Jews or Christians or Hindus demonstrate that they are not inferior, the reaction is furious as Muslims strive to prove that the infidels are beneath them after all. This motivates everything from the frenzied Muslim campaign against Israel, to the pathetic need to promote the wonders of “Islamic Science”, from Al Queda’s terrorism, to the Saudi financed Islamization of Europe. All that energy directed into showing non-Muslims their proper place.

From what American schoolchildren are being taught by their teachers to what Americans are being told by their presidents, concepts unique to Islam are nowadays almost always “Westernized.” Whether the product of naivety, arrogance, or downright disingenuousness, this phenomenon has resulted in epistemic (and thus endemic) failures, crippling Americans from objectively understanding some of Islam’s more troublesome doctrines.

In fact, financially supporting jihadis is a recognized form of jihad — jihad al-mal; even the vast majority of militant verses in the Koran (e.g., 9:20, 9:41, 49:15, 61:10-11) prioritize the need to fund the jihad over merely fighting in it, as fighting with one’s wealth often precedes fighting with one’s self. Well-known Islamists — from international jihadi Osama bin Laden to authoritative cleric Sheikh Qaradawi — are well aware of this and regularly exhort Muslims to fund the jihad via zakat.

More revealing of the peculiarly Islamic nature of zakat is the fact that Muslims are actually forbidden from bestowing this “charity” onto non-Muslims (e.g., the vast majority of American infidels). “Charitable” Muslim organizations operating on American soil are therefore no mere equivalents to, say, the Salvation Army, a Christian charity organization whose “ministry extends to all, regardless of ages, sex, color, or creed.” In Islam, creed is a major criterion for receiving “charity” — not to mention for receiving social equality.http://www.meforum.org/2438/zakat-muslim-charity-in-context

Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., the ranking Republican on the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, issued a scathing staff report today charging that the White House has “used the machinery of the Obama campaign to tout the president’s agenda through inappropriate and sometimes unlawful public relations and propaganda initiatives.”http://www.wnd.com/files/100815issapropagandareport.pdf

Differences of opinion and views is normal. Not all Muslims agree, not all Christians disagree.

I am Muslim. I believe if Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is still living now, he would advice Muslims NOT to build a mosque at the Ground Zero. Why?

Because Muslims cannot hurt the feeling of anybody. I think it is NOT Islamic to hurt the feeling of others. Our local leader A mosque can be built nearby there, but not at that particularly sensitive site.

The better way is to build a church together with a mosque there. And if Jews community there is also significant in number, a synagogue can also be built side by side.

Until the time when Muslims can make an official declaration that from now on, people are free to join and free to leave and it is completely wrong to punish anyone who decide to leave, I don’t think it makes sense to talk about :

tolerance,

Building bridge of understanding for the purpose of Inter faith harmony and peace.

it’s a total contradiction!

True inter faith harmony and peace can only be achieved when each religion is sincere and completely reject the use of force to make people join or to prevent people from leaving.

True tolerance that last must finally be a 2 way street. Churches in Muslim countries and mosques in christian countries.

A few years ago, my friend Irshad Manji made the point to me that “moderate Muslims denounce terror that’s committed in the name of Islam but they deny that religion has anything to do with it.” By contrast, she noted, “reform-minded Muslims denounce terror that’s committed in the name of Islam and acknowledge that our religion is used to inspire it.”http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704868604575433214247852860.html

cp : “Until the time when Muslims can make an official declaration that from now on, people are free to join and free to leave and it is completely wrong to punish anyone who decide to leave, I don’t think it makes sense to talk about : …..tolerance etc… it’s a total contradiction!”

It’s a contradiction and hypocrisy(intentional or otherwise) by way of expected and understood semantics from lack of the same. Some people can keep on chanting contradictions with hard core certitude that they make sense when they don’t and nothing about truth and logic changes.

“The idea of fairness is something, quite ironically, lost on the Muslims. One often sees the Muslims acting a certain way towards others then expecting the complete opposite treatment from the very same people. This childish attitude on the part of many Muslims has led to the world viewing our entire culture and civilisation as an immature people, often emotionally driven and totally lacking in rationale.”http://fwd4.me/Zyd

Like I’ve said before, “A tree is known by its fruit.”

And we know History and Reality but the Deniers(educated or otherwise) can never learn from History, only their own twisted version – as indoctrinated.

I cannot imagine that Muslims want a mosque on this particular site, because it will be turned into an arena for promoters of hatred, and a symbol of those who committed the crime. At the same time, there are no practicing Muslims in the district who need a place of worship, because it is indeed a commercial district. Is there a side that is committed to this mosque? The fact is that in the news reports there are names linked to this project that costs 100 million dollars!

Instead of spending $100 million on a mega-mosque at Ground Zero, why doesn’t the Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf and financier Sharif El-Gamal take the $100 million and donate it to the Pakistani flood victims?

A court in Saudi Arabia is seeking medical advice on whether it is possible to cut the spinal cord of a man as a punishment after he was indicted of causing paralysis to another man during a fight, a local daily reported on Thursday.

Steve Emerson, head of the Investigative Project, has created a much-needed resource on Islamic terrorism in the USA here. Read this, explore the mosques and understand the fights being waged by concerned Americans against Muslim Brotherhood beachheads under the guise of mega mosque construction.http://www.investigativeproject.org/maps/terrorism-map.php

At any other site Imam Rauf would be unlikely to raise anything like the $100 million he can plausibly promise to obtain in the space of a year for what the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs aptly says “will be widely understood in the Moslem world as a battlefield monument in the name of Islam.”

While New York’s mayor Bloomberg calls opposition to the mosque a disgrace to the memory of the firefighters who died on 9/11(!), Abd Al-Rahman Al-Rashed, director general of Al-Arabiya TV, underscores the folly of such rhetoric. In the London daily Al-Sharq Al-Awsat he writes that the mosque “will become an arena for the promoters of hatred, and a monument to those who committed the crime.”http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.7115/pub_detail.asp

President Obama stepped into it over the weekend. Speaking Friday August 13, 2010, at a White House dinner to honor Ramadan, the President told his audience, “Muslims have the right to practice their religion as everyone else in this country,” an obvious reference to the controversy surrounding the Ground Zero mosque. On Saturday, while spending the day in the Gulf, the president attempted to clarify his earlier remarks: “I was not commenting and I will not comment on the wisdom of making the decision to put a mosque there. I was commenting very specifically on the right people have that dates back to our founding. That’s what our country is about.”

It just had to be. You knew (or should have known) that if people went digging long enough and hard enough, they would discover the smoking gun that proves that Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the ‘moderate’ imam trying to build a victory mosque at Ground Zero, isn’t such a moderate after all. And you were right.

On Friday morning’s Bill Bennett show, Steve Emerson of the Investigative Project announced that he has 13 hours of audio tape of Imam Rauf that has the ‘moderate’ imam:
Defending Wahhabism – a puritanical version of Islam that governs Saudi Arabia;

Not too long ago Christopher Hitchens wrote that opposition to the Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at Ground Zero was just bigotry and racism — the whole tired laundry list of Leftist cliches. But now he is deeply confused, for he has discovered that the Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is not as “moderate” as the cappuccino bomb-throwers he hangs around with led him to believe. “A Test of Tolerance: The ‘Ground Zero mosque’ debate is about tolerance–and a whole lot more,” by Christopher Hitchens at Slate, August 23

“As Western Europe has already found to its cost, local Muslim leaders have a habit, once they feel strong enough, of making demands of the most intolerant kind. Sometimes it will be calls for censorship of anything “offensive” to Islam. Sometimes it will be demands for sexual segregation in schools and swimming pools. The script is becoming a very familiar one. And those who make such demands are of course usually quite careful to avoid any association with violence. They merely hint that, if their demands are not taken seriously, there just might be a teeny smidgeon of violence from some other unnamed quarter …”

That was probably the teaching of paganism..or animism. Islam never taught such things.

Yes, some unethical journalists wrote and quote it in their media..(in order to give bad image. And yes, probably certain isolated, unlearned Muslim men could have believed it. But no such a thing taught by Islam.

“And yes, probably certain isolated, unlearned Muslim men could have believed it. But no such a thing taught by Islam.”

hahahaha the cow jumped over the moon also

“unlearned Muslim men could have believed it. But no such a thing taught by Islam” they belief it bcos they are the wise ones…….not wise ones will blame it on “paganism..or animism” followed by “unethical journalists”.

err it is obvious that the self professed “learned” one is incapable of differentiating between “brain” and “stinky”.
The kerala mopla was right about the idiocy of too much inbreeding producing idiots.

Time Magazine asks the ridiculous question of whether America is ‘Islamophobic.’ I guess 3,000 murders in one day aren’t enough of a reason for Americans to fear the creeping Islamization of their country, as has happened in Western Europe – at least in Time’s world.
Phyllis Chesler lists some of the things that Time left out.

“But no such a thing taught by Islam.” – Nasaei Ahmad
Obviously reading some other funny book mebbe.

Here`s historian Elst…..

“The number of victims of this persecution surpasses that of the Nazi crimes. … The Islamic reports on the massacres of Hindus, destruction of Hindu temples, the abduction of Hindu women and forced conversions, invariably express great glee and pride. … In my study of the Ayodhya controversy, I noticed that the frequent attempts to conceal or deny inconvenient evidence were an integral part of a larger effort to rewrite India’s history and to whitewash Islam. It struck me that this effort to deny the unpleasant facts of Islam’s destructive role in Indian history is similar to the attempts by some European writers to deny the Nazi holocaust. European negationists applaud Hitler’s reign and deny its horrors. Indian negationists eulogize Islamic rule and deny its millionfold murders and the catastrophe it wrought in Indian cultural, political and religious life.”http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negationism_in_India:_Concealing_the_Record_of_Islam

Amber Habib turns out to be a Communist, son of Prof. Irfan Habib, grandson of Prof. Mohammed Habib, as well as grandnephew of Badruddin Tyabji, a leading Congress Muslim. The young mathematician living in Model Town, Delhi, has married a young lady with a Hindu name and Hindu looks, and after that he has started neglecting his website. Well, happiness is a sleeping website.http://koenraadelst.voiceofdharma.com/books/acat/ch10.htm

“It is unthinkable,” says Yossi, a leading Shomron (Samaria) activist, “that after the Arabs of Shechem vandalized and desecrated the holy site, and after the battle ten years ago in which one of our soldiers was allowed to bleed to death, that the PA should now be granted this privilege of refurbishing the site whose destruction they had a hand in.”

“Furthermore,” he said, “why should we allow them to be able to brag to the world, ‘Look, we are refurbishing a Jewish holy site’ – especially since this is just the first step to what could easily become a PA takeover of the site in which they turn it into a mosque.”http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/139306

Lost in all of the controversy over the mosque is the fact that the Arab lobby is one of the strongest in America—even stronger than Israel’s:

The primary means by which the Saudis exercise this influence is money. They spend enormous amounts of lucre to buy (or rent) former state department officials, diplomats, White House aides, and legislative leaders who become their elite lobbying corps. Far more insidiously, the Saudis let it be known that if current government officials want to be hired following their retirement from government service, they had better hew to the Saudi line while they are serving in our government. The former Saudi ambassador to the United States, Prince Bandar, who was so close to the President George H.W. Bush that he referred to himself as “Bandar Bush,” acknowledged the relationship between how a government official behaves while in office and how well he will be rewarded when he leaves office. “If the reputation then builds that the Saudis take care of friends when they leave office, you’d be surprised how much better friends you have when they are just coming into office.”

In the course of a lengthy post trying to untangle the money web of the Ground Zero victory mosque, the Investigative Project on Terrorism uncovers a connection between mosque imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, his wife, Daisy Khan, and former Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamed, who has a rich history of anti-Semitism.

“At various times this year, Rauf has said he plans to solicit donations for the $100 million mosque and community center project from overseas sources, although he has not named any donors. One possible source could be Malaysia, where Cordoba has an office, according to a 2009 New York corporate filing.

In an interview earlier this year, however, Khan said there is no connection between the two offices that share the same name. “I don’t know what the status of that organization is,” Khan told investigative reporter Claudia Rosett of Forbes magazine on Aug. 11. Yet Khan is named as a Cordoba official in the 2004 tax form that includes the reference to the Malaysian official. Khan is also listed as a Cordoba director in its 2008 tax filing, which is the latest on record.”

Author, and proud Muslim, Asma Gull Hasan wrote in Forbes Magazine (February 2009) that “since Election Day, I have been part of more and more conversations with Muslims in which it was either offhandedly agreed that Obama is Muslim or enthusiastically blurted out. In commenting on our new president, ‘I have to support my fellow Muslim brother,’ would slip out of my mouth before I had a chance to think twice.”

But the mainstream media is now mocking the increasing number of Americans who believe Obama is a Muslim. Well, now that we’ve demonstrated that those Americans are in agreement with these Muslims, does this make the Muslims bigoted or the media?
Had they done their job investigating Barack Obama during the last election, then Americans might have a better handle on even the basic dimensions of America’s 44th president. But the media completely abdicated its responsibility, failing to provide any coverage skeptical of the Obama campaign’s own tightly scripted narrative.

Remember, this is the media that so thoroughly browbeat a third-tier surrogate of the McCain campaign for referring to “Barack Hussein Obama”, that John McCain himself subsequently declared, publicly, that his opponent’s middle name was henceforth off limits. [And speaking of names, you would have been fortunate, indeed, to discover the fact that Obama had for decades answered to the groovy, 70’s moniker, “Barry” until it became politically advantageous for him to adopt “Barack” as his ethnic-novelty name.]

I’d be curious to hear why Zakaria allowed the truth to be so distorted. I used to think he was a relatively straight shooter. No more.

On CNN, Fareed Zakaria hosted a debate about Ground Zero victory mosque. It ended with a monologue in which Zakaria seemed to imply that Hezbollah’s “respect” for Jews could be a model for Americans concerned with the mosque plans.

CAMERA points out:

[Zakaria’s] more immediate point — that Hezbollah respects the Jews and is merely opposed to Israel’s “occupation of Arab lands” — dramatically misinformed viewers about the radical and anti-Semitic nature of the Lebanese terror group. Hezbollah has repeatedly made clear not only its opposition to Israel’s very existence, but also its contempt for Jews.

Judea Pearl, the father of murdered Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl, explains why the construction of the Ground Zero victory mosque in New York City has touched such a raw nerve among so many Americans:

I have been trying hard to find an explanation for the intense controversy surrounding the Cordoba Initiative, whereby 71 percent of Americans object to the proposed project of building a mosque next to Ground Zero.

“Public objection to the mosque thus represents a vote of no confidence in mainstream American Muslim leadership which, on the one hand, refuses to acknowledge the alarming dimension that anti-Americanism has taken in their community and, paradoxically, blames America for its creation.

The American Muslim leadership has had nine years to build up trust by taking proactive steps against the spread of anti-American terror-breeding ideologies, here and abroad.”

“True, we have not helped Muslims in the confidence-building process. Treating homegrown terror acts as isolated incidents of psychological disturbances while denying their ideological roots has given American Muslim leaders the illusion that they can achieve public acceptance without engaging in serious introspection and responsibility sharing for allowing victimhood, anger and entitlement to spawn such acts.

The construction of the Ground Zero mosque would further prolong this illusion.”

I think if we can separate between WTC terrorist action and the construction of a mosque..then thing would be more helpful and fine. The problem is that, people tend to relate Muslims with terrorism ! First ever I heard “victory mosque” term on this blog.

Awww, you pore thing you, so much you are denied. OK here`s another then esp for you:

The newly approved Jihad Victory Mosque, two blocks from Ground Zero, will be getting new company.

Greg Gutfeld, an entertainer, has announced that he is seriously working on opening a gay bar for Muslim men across the street from the new center. Various names are being collected including but not limited to: Al Jizzera, Club Allah-bye, and Mohammad and Sons.

“The noisy call to prayer is an act of dominance and aggression. The louder it is, the better. Mosques were always supposed to be built in high ground, or in the most imposing spot, towering over churches and synagogues, in the lands first conquered by Islam. Those aggressive skyward thrusting minarets were symbols of power, of dominance. And the same thing continued wherever Islam went.”

New Pat Condell video on Ground Zero mosque: “If the positions were reversed, and if this level of calculated insult was being directed at Islam, there is no way on earth that this project would be allowed to proceed”

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