Correct me if I’m wrong, but Daniel still can’t enter Dreamland. So really, how is Alex’s purpose fulfilled? Dreamland still needs a king. Niviene nay-sayers, you have now been proven right. I wonder what she gets with all this? Does Dan taking the mantle of king somehow bring Merlin back to life?

I think you might be right. Only time will tell if Daniel will become king but I don’t think now is the time to be arguing over the rites of sucessetion. The elusive guardians are still out there. They just might hold the final puzzle piece.

Strangely enough I remember it super clearly, if only because I was kind of offended by how insensitive Orion was to the situation at the time. Here’s a quick recap of what went down though…

Alex had just tried (and failed) to let Nicole into dreamland using his necklace. It didn’t work, and instead of Nicole, Felicity found herself looking at Alex instead (where Nicole WOULD have stood had it worked).
Felicity (in a really moving panel I’ll never forget) was driven to tears, but instead of politely having a quite word with Alex (who was busy apologizing to Felicity at that very moment), Orion scolded him HARD saying that the Sword of Kings was no toy etc. (Or something to that effect).

Arthur was under a spell not dead, yet not alive… as such, the next in line could not enter dreamland. Alex was not Next, but was in line (being a twin of the next in-line). when Alex stumbled upon the tomb of Kings and took the sword, the spell on Arthur was broken and Alex (by possession of the sword of kings) became King. My guess, since Dan is the true next, he can take possession of the sword and become the rightful King.

Because Arthur was technically still king. And while the king was still alive, his successor couldn`t enter Dreamland. Alex (second in line so to speak) could go to Dreamland though, and took over the sword of kings, making him king (but not the true king, that`s still Dan).

Since Arthur died because Nicodemus’s spell would have ceased when Nic died (or atleast I think he did) that would have taken away Dan’s inability to enter. When he wears the necklace he could be able to get into Dreamland despite his age. However, this shouldn’t take away Alex’s ability to enter since Alex can enter Dreamland without the necklace as he has done before.

The necklace being given to Dan shouldn’t cause Alex to be banned from Dreamland. If anything, the reason as to why Alex can get in – without the necklace – anyway is probably because of either his extreme connection to Dreamland’s fate – aka his destiny and actions within – or because he “believed he could fly”…his belief in Dreamland may have been so strong it’s what keeps him able to go there even now.

Interesting plot twist though…especially if you include a bit where Alex almost loses his ablilty to enter by handing it over… (what do you think Sava, althogh at this point you probably have Niviene role already figured and mapped out.) and on top of that how the H do we know for sure that Alex’s part is done with? (You know, forgeting a moment that Sava did already mention last page about this going of for a few more years.) Only time and hindsight can ever truly reveal the importance and need of anyone in and time or situation. It is pretty assuming that his part is done.

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There wasn’t a spell on Dan. He just couldn’t get into Dreamland before because Arthur wasn’t technically dead. While a King of Dreamland lives, the next-in-line for the throne cannot get into Dreamland at all. That’s how Dreamland works. Alex got to Dreamland and became king by virtue of a loophole.

I don’t think that’s how it was explained. There was a spell to keep the next king out of Dreamland but that lizard guy didn’t realize that the king had a twin brother. The twin, Alex, was able to pull the sword from the stone and set all this in motion.

Here is where we first learned that the thing that kept Dan out was the fact that Arthur was still around in some form or fashion. The page immediately after it goes into more detail and points out that it is Dreamland law…not just a spell. The only spell cast probably kept Arthur not alive but not dead so that a successor could not arrive in Dreamland.

She thinks she’s the Lady of the Lake, a thousand year old sorceress, consort to Merlin, user of the Pool which gives her more information than anyone else, who feels she can speak truth to kings and who is bringing a fresh perspective to Alex’s situation. She’s asking questions neither Alex nor Nastajia have thought of, and suggesting alternatives their emotions were keeping them from considering. I’m not sure if she’s doing this seriously, or is trying to shake them out of their current rut and make them examine the whole situation and determine what is actually the best course. There ARE powerful arguments for keeping Alex around. It was he (and Nas) who forged the alliance between Dreamland’s races, he (and Nas) who defeated Nic, he who everyone looks to as King. His devotion to Nastajia is driving him to find her parents, and somewhere in the future I think there’s going to be a fight with the Nightmare Realm to make them give up the children they kidnapped; a situation where Alex’s strength, fighting prowess, and experience would be essential. Niviene might be trying to get them to put that in words and justify their actions so they aren’t rattled at some point, as Alex was when Nic called into question his motives during their battle…

I also think the look on Nastajia’s face in the last panel should be more like her expression in the first; a look of “mind your own business, fish lady!”. I think Alex should have a “drop dead, witch!” expression on his face too. Since when does some fish decide who does and who doesn’t get to visit Dreamland?

Well…technically everyone gets to visit Dreamland (except those next-in-line for the throne) as kids. It’s just adults who are restricted to one vistor…period…which is something Arthur was working on (and I would have assumed Niviene would have supported that given her affinity for Merlin). And she didn’t make the rules…she’s just reminding them of propriety.

Well, poydras, I would counter with, since when does Alex get to decide who does and who doesn’t get to visit Dreamland. He doesn’t have an exclusive right to get to go there over Dan (who is the one who really won the war).

They have those expressions on their faces because they are good-hearted and in their hearts they know Dan is the rightful king and should be able to come to Dreamland. But they are keeping him out.

I’ve never seen Alex make any such decisions about who does and who doesn’t visit. He initially walked into a cave and pulled a sword from a stone out of curiosity. I’ve never seen him proclaim himself king or show any desire to be so. As for Nastajia’s expression; “you pick on my boyfriend, you pick on me”.

He and Nastajia have had conversations about him being king though, so even if he hasn’t declared himself king, he knows that everyone considers him to be king…including the Sword of Kings. It may be that he was too busy thinking about “finishing what he started” or “making Nastajia happy” to consider that his brother should have been given the position that was rightfully his.

While on the one hand, those reasons were noble, they were very inconsiderate of the brother who has been wanting to go to Dreamland since they were children. Heck…even Niviene noticed Daniel’s joy from just getting to touch a mermaid’s hand so he could be closer to Dreamland.

I’m of two minds about this. I want Nastajia and Alex to have their happy ending, but I think that it is cruel to bar Dan from the place he was meant to be.

Honestly as much as Dan deserves to see Dream Land Alex has more right to be there as he works much better as a King as while Dan may have the smarts Alex has the leadership skills to bring people together. Personally I think Nastajia should call Niviene out, saying that Alex truly loves her one minute then telling Alex to surrender his right to be with her when Alex and Dan are the only way she can see her true love.

Dan should, in my mind, Abdicate the throne. Alex pretty much is the Recognized Ruler of Dreamland and Saved it from Nic giving the sword over to Dan would more then likely cause chaos.

Funny how just an hour ago approximately, she was all sympathetic about Nastajia’s feelings for Alex. Now she’s proposing in a matter-of-fact manner that Alex should leave Nastajia for the rest of his life with no realistic goal of reuniting. Niviene talks about waiting for Merlin, which makes sense ‘cuz he might still have a chance of escaping the tree with or without Arthur in tow. But once Alex gives over the necklace to Dan, there will be no foreseeable reason why he will be able to come back.
True, Niviene is making good points, but you’d think she’d say it in a much more tactful manner…

If I remember correctly, Alex is the only one the necklace works for because he originally pulled the sword from the stone in the cave. It’s the spell or curse that prevents Dan from visiting Dreamland, not anything Alex is doing.

It’s kinda like episodes of the original Star Trek where all the rules kept changing. When Alex gave the necklace to Nicole, it didn’t work and he was scolded NOT to do that again. Also Alex was a regular visitor to Dreamland and he and Nastajia had a puppy love relationship going long before he stumbled upon the sword, which became the necklace anytime Alex was awake. Logic is that the necklace would only work for the person that originally pulled the sword from the stone, but then, the author knows more about how this is supposed to work than I do. Whatever, I think it’s time for Alex and Nastajia to put miss chicken-of-the-sea in her place.

I think the problem is that we have such a limited view and understanding of how everything works because we essentially see things through Alex’s eyes. 🙂 Apparently the necklace works for any ruler or “next ruler” of Dreamland, but not for anyone else (probably as part of the whole “no adults in Dreamland” thing). Since Dan is a candidate (and technically more legitimate than Alex by virtue of birth), the necklace would work for him…but would kick Alex out permanently.

If all that is true, then Alex should keep the necklace as the one who originally found it and tell the fish lady to get lost. It’s obvious from the last couple of strips that she is trying to drive a wedge between Alex and Dan and now Alex and Nastajia, and who would that benefit? It would benefit Nickodemus. Remember where that big lizard fell and why they couldn’t find his body? It fell in the sea! It’s very possible that fish lady is harboring him and they are in cahoots.

I am pretty sure Dan could tell Alex to give him the necklace and they could have this conversation. Dan has never been to dreamland, ever, he has only seen it once, through a pool of water. Alex was raised there, he loves the place and the people and has a true investment in them. As intelligent as Dan is, Alex is a brave king who would do anything for Dreamland, Dan is an excellent advisor and loves his brother. But it just feels right fro Alex to stay the protector of Dreamland.

I went skimmed back through the archives and couldn’t find this, but didn’t Alex try to give the sword to Dan at one time? I seem to remember that Dan turned it down. But, I think that was before they found out he was the true heir, too.

No first borns can only enter if there is no king when the king dies what ever first born gets the sword first becomes king then no other first-borns may enter. Technically Arthur was not dead just in a sort of coma. Alex pulled the sword and took it so Arthur finally died. Alex will have to die or give the sword to Dan for Dan to enter.

I think it just adds an ironic twist to the storyline. I don’t see what lineage has to do with any of this anyway. Isn’t this all a takeoff of “The Sword in the Stone”? King Arthur didn’t inherit the throne based on lineage. He pulled a sword from a stone and became king by decree, which is exactly what Alexander did.

There seems to be 1 major issue being ignored and overlooked: the people of Dreamland have been displaced from the big reveal of Nicodermus, thier past, the war and of all things a foriegn human being king. Displacement can cause all sorts of problems in a society, and now just when things are getting settled down and getting used to the human Alexander as king they have to have a new guy all over again? that might cauz more problems than solutions currently.
You all tell me what you think…

Fishcake here is a legalist. She doesn’t care about the feelings of the people involved, she just wants things to go the “correct” way. I guess living for a thousand years in a cave has taken away her “humanity” regarding anything except Merlin.

Boy oh boy do I dislike her >:( Partly because I kinda aggrree with her logic and do think it’s unfair that Dan’s own adventure was taken from him; but I care more for Alex and Staj because they’ve been through their own personal tribulations fighting a DRAGON and his armies. At least Dan didn’t have to go through all that.

appeal to her romantic side, perhaps? Alex and his Elf Princess will never see each other again if he gives over the necklace( at least, at the moment. they MUST find out a way to make this all work.) would she really wish such a fate on any couple, eternal separation?
If that fails…I dunno. run for it and hope that the big fish don’t eat you.

There seems to be 1 major issue being ignored and overlooked: the people of Dreamland have been displaced from the big reveal of Nicodermus, thier past, the war and of all things a foriegn human being king. Displacement can cause all sorts of problems in a society, and now just when things are getting settled down and getting used to the human Alexander as king they have to have a new guy all over again? that might cauz more problems than solutions currently.
You all tell me what you think…

I don’t think the Lady of the Lake understands what’s going on here. Whatever enchantment kept Daniel from entering… it’s still working. As Daniel is unavailable, Alex is CLEARLY the next in line and the legitimate heir to the throne.

Read previous posts people cuz this subjects been gone over and over again and again. Dan is kept out cuz the sword is currently in the posession of someone not Alex spefically but ‘A’ and I can not stress this enough ->A<- first-born human male and Alex can give it to Dan. so unless the currently leader dies or gives it to him.

I’m suddenly curious which Arthurian legends that are being used for a baseline. The idea of eldest son inheriting first and basically everything doesn’t come to England until the Norman invasion of William the Conqueror, it’s called primogeniture. Which at William invading in 1066 puts him later than most Arthurian timelines as their is a recorded line of kings after William, things are sketchier in the post Caesar conquest till 750ish AD if I remember correctly, which is where Arthur tends to get lumped somewhere between 200 and 600. So technically Daniel’s claim is iffy at best. The fact that Alex is there and has the sword would probably make him the stronger claimant. He’s recognized by the elves, merfolk and centaurs as the rightful king, so really it seems odd that Niviene would try and support the claim of someone that had till that day not seen a single citizen or inch of dreamland. I’m watching you merlady, you’re acting highly suspicious.

The 1300s-1400s based legend is the one in use, not the Roman one. Also, I don’t think the line of succession for Dreamland monarchs must be hereditary. The only time blood relations seem to have ever mattered is with Alex taking Dan’s place.

Completely unrelated, but aside from Naivine and Merlin, is there any precedent for a long-term Dreamlander/human relationship?

Something like that, but I honestly don’t believe she sees him as trash I believe she just has a absurdly logical mind and believes that Dan being king is what is best for Dreamland so it should be done, same with letting her love and even helping her love leave her to go to the dream between dreams so Merlin could find Arthur, a quest that both of them had to now that they may never see eachother again.
Not saying I like it or even agree just that I under stand.

Correct me if I am wrong, but in one of the Arthur flashbacks din’t he say that a pact with the nightmare realm prevented adult from entering dreamland, and he was tring to find a way around it without breaking the pact or treaty or whatever?