Re: Migration to Objective-C 2.0

From:

Gregory John Casamento

Subject:

Re: Migration to Objective-C 2.0

Date:

Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:56:31 -0800 (PST)

All,
Now that this has been posted publically, and, apparently, by accident, I feel
it necessary to explain a bit.
Yes, the idea of a Steering Committee was discussed, I was only considering it.
There is no hard decision as of yet. My plan was to bring this up on the
gnustep-dev list as soon as I had some hard and fast ideas about it.
With respect to my "unhappiness" it was basically not unhappiness, but
frustration. I very much want GNUstep to be a shining success. I feel as
though I'm meeting resistance, not so much with the core devs, but with some
users who want a tightly integrated GNUstep solution. I'm trying to get the
overall attitude on the project to change a little from a NIH (not invented
here) one to a "let's see what we can re-use and integrate" attitude. Re-use
of code and dependencies are not a bad thing, so long as it is done wisely.
Thanks, GJC
--
Gregory Casamento
----- Original Message ----
From: Alex Perez <address@hidden>
To: address@hidden
Cc: Discuss GNUstep <address@hidden>
Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 3:17:30 AM
Subject: Re: Migration to Objective-C 2.0
Graham J Lee wrote:
> On 12 Feb 2007, at 12:51, Jeremy Tregunna wrote:
>
>>
>> In my opinion, it's a lousy attempt to become C# -- read: pandering to
>> MS developers, rather than taking care of its base. Bad strategy in my
>> opinion.
>
> Is that because existing ObjC developers are *real* developers who don't
> _need_ any fancy garbage collection or fast enumeration? ;-) IMO, the
> new features look useful[*]...take-up of course depends on how quickly
> and how many developers are willing to leave OS X 10.<=4 behind. Which
> if Core Data on 10.4 was anything to go by, is quite a number and quite
> soon.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Graham.
> [*]in different contexts of course...garbage collection probably
> wouldn't be too attractive on existing code unless you know you've got a
> retaincount bug *glares at Cocoa Bindings*
Graham,
Hi there, This is Alex Perez. I recently had a private discussion with
Greg Casamento, and by way of a third party who shall remain nameless,
outside of the GNUstep community, your name came up as a nominee for a
GNUstep steering committee, which Greg has endorsed as a general idea. I
understand you're working for Nicola these days, and would appreciate it
if you would remain mum with him for the time being. He will certainly
be one of the members of the SC, but we wanted to ask you if you'd be
interested. We'd like someone who is interested in the project, but
still has a rather independent viewpoint, to be on the SC, along with
one other person (if you have any suggestions, let us know) so we have
an odd number of folks for tie-breaking purposes.
Greg is becoming unhappy with some of the core developers making
unilateral decisions with regards to certain aspects of GNUstep, and I
personally believe some folks are acting more in their own
personal/corporate-represented interests and less so in the long-term
interests of the GNUstep project as a whole.
I know you use AIM, and I'd love to chat with you about this at your
convenience. Please add me, I'm 'aperezbios' via AIM, and would love to
chat with you either there or here further, regarding this issue.
Cheers,
Alex Perez
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