...Fun topic/comparison....(I gave up trying to do my own tune-ups and mods when they went with electronic ignitions and started doing smog checks...lol...)

...Sort of a lot of terminology similarities and ironys....the LS7 is a 427, but not a big block...ZL-1 was an aluminum big block, but for the drags only, not road racing....First z/28s had 305 cast iron small blocks for track and weight purposes....The LS7 is an aluminum block for the road-coarse, not drag races for the new Z/28...lol....all good...

Actually, the ZL1 engine was an afterthought on the Camaro...it was developed for the Vette for road racing, and was a production (read: warrantable) version of the Can Am 430/494 program. Dick Harrell and Fred Gibb encouraged/assisted Vince Piggins to consider the ZL1 for a Camaro drag race-specific program. 50 required (by Chev AND NHRA), 50 ordered, initially.

The limitation for drag racing the LS7 Camaro is its non-ZL1 carrier...which, for those interested, is a shelf item swap.

The beauty of Chev's program abilities, even today, comes from myriad parts availability/swapability...and that all stems from a memo written in late-'53...by Zora Arkus Duntov.

The exhorbitant cost of the '69 COPO 9560 (aka ZL1) Camaros, and the likely high-cost of the '14-'15 Z/28 are DIRECTLY related: A car has to cover its development co$t$, no matter how much and no matter how few are built...there's no free ride from some other department's budget(s).

The Pill is a medically retired military veteran that I have become acquainted with off line over the last few years. He is smart guy and true enthusiast. His only real fault? He loves the wrong brand for most on Camaro5.

When a new production car is built, rarely does the manufacturer take into consideration what class it will run as determined by whatever sanctioning body. The new C7 delivers higher levels of performance than any other previous generation base model Vettes. When the higher performance versions are built sanctioning bodies will be scratching their heads to accommodate existing cars their members have built and the new cars. They will take a guess in year one and revise from there. If you want to race a Z/28 I am confident there will be classes to accommodate you.

BTW: If you think Washington is political you haven't been watching racing where they spend their OWN money.

The Z/28 will be what is is designed to be: an amazing version of the 5th Gen with the last of the normally aspirated fuel injected 427s under the hood. Anyone who doesn't understand what a 2014 Z/28 is won't be an owner. Z/28 owners are already lined up at Chevy stores across the country without knowing or caring what the MSRP will be. The next batch of owners are just like the first, but they have a maximum price in mind. Then there are the hopeful owners hoping the price will be less than many of us think it will be.

I could be wrong, but my guess is the number of Z/28s built will align closely with the number of owners, everyone of them thrilled.

I would like to know what car Dekl thinks is going to best it for under 70k?

Plenty of cars that you can modify under that price range to just throw around at HPDE events. All I was saying is, with all the money they are asking for it, other then the fact that people would buy it because it's a Z28, there are cheaper ways to dominate other cars at HPDE.

either way the Z/28 is still a beastly beast and I like where the Camaro is going in the future.

The car is very '00 Cobra R'esque and I love it.

Wouldn't buy one even if I could, but I love the point of the car.

I can't wait to see if Ford waits a few years, or jumps right into it with the new platform, to make a GT350/something "R" rated to be comparable and take back the road course throne from GM at the present time.

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...if you want to compare performance numbers, well, the GT500 retains it's title of the highest hp, worst performing car in the world.

I can't wait to see if Ford waits a few years, or jumps right into it with the new platform, to make a GT350/something "R" rated to be comparable and "TRY" to take back the road course throne from GM at the present time.

my silly self should have know what happens when you say zomething will happen...like when GM said theyd make a car faster than the gt500...

Bazinga!! :-)

Im interested to see just how well Fords first independent rear mustang stacks up to the likes of a 1le....

ford did such an excellent job nearly mastering their solid rear, but gms already several years into their irs camaro program (non zl1 here) and their new platform isnt likely to hit until after the mustang, im really excited to see how a track pack equivilant gt handles compared to this or next years 1le.

sorry to thread jack

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...if you want to compare performance numbers, well, the GT500 retains it's title of the highest hp, worst performing car in the world.

Speaks with precision, intellect, and yes, some bias. However, generally never accused of integrity problems. So, why censor discussion that, depending on "your perception" is very informative, educational, and argumentatively challenging even to the best of engineers and simple hobbyists? I do believe he was banned because his points were too biased in opinions of mods... Who cares? I would have preferred to "filter" out the biases on my own volition and reap the good information he did and does serve up. We're all big kids here eh?