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Re: Did Christ come as a Messiah to the Jewish People?

Originally Posted by rejoice44

What do you think?

I think the bible says otherwise.

"For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

Re: Did Christ come as a Messiah to the Jewish People?

Originally Posted by rejoice44

Where does it say to the Jewish people, I will cut you off for two thousand years?

Let me ask you a question.

Do you think that God is done with the Jewish people?

"For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

Re: Did Christ come as a Messiah to the Jewish People?

Originally Posted by rejoice44

No, I know God isn't.

OK, so we're in agreement.

"For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

Re: Did Christ come as a Messiah to the Jewish People?

Yes, there are many Jews who are non-religious.

"For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

Re: Did Christ come as a Messiah to the Jewish People?

Originally Posted by rejoice44

The Muslims are religious, so how does that relate to knowing God?

God only knows.

"For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

Re: Did Christ come as a Messiah to the Jewish People?

Originally Posted by rejoice44

The problem is it doesn't relate to knowing God. God had a method of worship for Israel which Israel no longer follows.

Or do they...?

"For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

Re: Did Christ come as a Messiah to the Jewish People?

Originally Posted by rejoice44

It clearly requires a Temple and priest.

Hmm really? What happened between 586BC and 516BC?

"For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.

Re: Did Christ come as a Messiah to the Jewish People?

Originally Posted by Fenris

Hmm really? What happened between 586BC and 516BC?

But that is only 70 yrs, isn't it, and not thousands of years. And didn't that soon get resolved thereafter? So why would it be taking God so long this next time around, as in from when the temple was destroyed in 70 AD? Could it be that it has already been resolved? The NT seems to think so.

Re: Did Christ come as a Messiah to the Jewish People?

So what? Given that people only lived about 30 years at the time, it meant several entire generations lived and died with no temple, no sacrifice, no priests...

How is that any different from the generations after 70? It isn't.

So why would it be taking God so long this next time around, as in from when the temple was destroyed in 70 AD?

I don't pretend to understand why God does things.

Could it be that it has already been resolved? The NT seems to think so.

The NT has it's rationale. Jews understand things differently. Everything will be resolved in the end I guess.

"For a small moment have I forsaken you, and with great mercy will I gather you.With a little wrath did I hide My countenance for a moment from you, and with everlasting kindness will I have compassion on you," said your Redeemer, the Lord."..."For the mountains shall depart and the hills totter, but My kindness shall not depart from you, neither shall the covenant of My peace totter," says the Lord, Who has compassion on you.