19:06:06 <charlie-tca> and, in the interest of determining what is happening, please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing. If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait.

19:06:23 <charlie-tca> Let's try that and see if it works for us

19:06:37 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Old business

19:06:37 <meetingology> TOPIC: Old business

19:07:31 <charlie-tca> We are putting together a "Top 10" questions and answers FAQ. We would very much like to have that on the website

19:08:09 <charlie-tca> If possible, we would even like to rotate these FAQ's so there are new ones for people to read

19:08:22 <charlie-tca> Is is possible to do something like "fortune"?

19:09:05 <charlie-tca> ..

19:09:26 <astraljava> Worth investigating.

19:09:32 <beardygnome> what is "fortune"?

19:09:39 <astraljava> Shouldn't be more than adding a dictionary for it.

19:09:39 <beardygnome> ..

19:09:44 <astraljava> ..

19:09:51 <charlie-tca> A set of statements, that can be rotated daily on your computer

19:10:07 <pleia2> does anyone actually find them useful?

19:10:13 <charlie-tca> faq's?

19:10:16 <charlie-tca> yes

19:10:19 <pleia2> no, the ones on your computer

19:10:31 <beardygnome> oh, like a fortune cookie

19:10:35 <beardygnome> ..

19:10:36 <charlie-tca> It will be the most asked questions from mailing list, #xubuntu, and forums

19:10:51 <charlie-tca> I did enjoy them when I had them working

19:10:52 <pleia2> I like the idea of a FAQ page on the site, not so sure about rotating fortune things anywhere

19:11:13 <charlie-tca> not the fortune statements, rotating the FAQ's?

19:11:19 <beardygnome> me either, might get confusing for people

19:11:45 <charlie-tca> If we have 100 most asked questions, we should rotate them so only 10 at time show up

19:11:50 <pleia2> well I don't like "tips" things in general, I particularly won't like them if it's a FAQ about getting to sound to work when my sound works fine

19:12:10 <pleia2> in fact, it may make me think something is wrong, "my sound is working, is it such a big problem for xubuntu?"

19:12:14 <beardygnome> i agree

19:12:30 <charlie-tca> So, having the question and answer there would be bad?

19:12:32 <beardygnome> if we have 100, isn't that more of a knowledgebase?

19:12:48 <beardygnome> i think question and answer is good

19:12:50 <charlie-tca> 100 is a number

19:12:52 <pleia2> Q&A FAQ on the website is fine, as "tips" on your desktop I don't like

19:12:57 <beardygnome> but not having them rotating

19:13:02 <charlie-tca> our goal right now is the top 10

19:13:15 <charlie-tca> but will the top 10 always be the same question?

19:13:15 <jarnos> Best is to have Xubuntu so easy to use it does not need an FAQ.

19:13:28 <charlie-tca> jarnos: reality, please

19:13:50 <pleia2> I think we should just stick with ~10 for now and go from there

19:13:51 <charlie-tca> Ubuntu will be that easy, but Xfce probably is not going to make it that simple, ever.

19:14:00 <jarnos> charlie-tca, the FAQ could be integrated in user interface.

19:14:22 <charlie-tca> and how will that attract users to the website?

19:14:39 <jarnos> charlie-tca, it doesn't

19:14:47 <charlie-tca> goal here is to get users to the website, not to their computer

19:14:51 <pleia2> maybe we should focus on getting these FAQ written and on the website, and then think about putting them in the help docs on the system sometime later?

19:15:29 <charlie-tca> That is a good goal

19:15:52 <charlie-tca> I would expect these things to already in help, but users don't really look for docs, do they?

19:16:24 <pleia2> I suspect most people just do a google search

19:16:39 <charlie-tca> At least, judging by the number of bug reports for out of date docs in karmic, lucid, and maverick, I don't think they do.

19:17:05 <astraljava> google is too vague and confusing.

19:17:08 <charlie-tca> pleia2: we will plan for these to be on the website, then, right?

19:19:40 <charlie-tca> If you have the ability to update anything there, please make corrections and email them to us. You can send updates to the xubuntu-devel mailing list, charlie-tca AT ubuntu DOT com or post them and give us the URL

19:19:53 <charlie-tca> Any questions?

19:20:21 <charlie-tca> micahg: who do go to for * we will look at getting pavucontrol in the sound preferences

19:20:42 <jarnos> charlie-tca, when I started to use ubuntu, Xubuntu had easier-to-user panels and menu than Ubuntu, in my opinion.

19:20:54 <micahg> charlie-tca: desktop team I think

19:21:10 <charlie-tca> Are you handling this or me?

19:21:38 <micahg> I can do it, just not this week

19:21:41 <charlie-tca> jarnos: still does, but it is not as easy to customize

19:22:57 <charlie-tca> [ACTION] micahg will get with desktop-team about putting pavucontrol in the sound preferences 19:22:57 * meetingology micahg will get with desktop-team about putting pavucontrol in the sound preferences