Happy Art and Labor Day! On this week’s episode, I connected with artists and art workers OK Fox and Lucia Love, hosts of the excellent podcast Art and Labor out of New York. We talked about shitty jobs in the art world, what led them to launch the podcast, the value of art in revolutionary thinking, not being an authority but still participating, why Kandinsky might be kind of neat, the paradoxes of the MFA, trying to live below your means as a practical economic safety measure, the difficulty of labor organizing in art world jobs, and so much more. Special thanks to their producer, Joey, for running the boards on their end. The outro music is the Art and Labor theme song, “Man! Let’s Have Fun” by Icy Spicy Leoncie.