Francesca Gentille

Ayanna Mojica

Episode 98: Holy Moly: Sex and Money with Reverend Ayanna

HOLY MOLY: SEX & MONEY with Rev.
Ayanna Mojica, MFA – Masters in Fine Arts & Renaissance woman. Spiritual
Teacher, Artist, Alchemist and Healer. She transformed from being a traditional ordained
minister within the Christian Church and now serves as a Mystical Minister of
Metaphysics and Sacred Sexual Alchemy. She is completing, the soon to be published book, Deep Treasures: Transmuting
Your Relationship Between Sex and Money. In
this episode, Ayanna
shakes our money tree so that the old BE-Leaves fall out. Discover how
sex & money share energy. Turn your actions into results. Transmute
negative thought patterns into juicy abundance. Access vision that
brings riches to your life & lovelife.

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Transcript

Francesca Gentille: Welcome to Sex, Tantra and Kama Sutra:
Bringing You The Soul of Sex. I’m your host, Francesca Gentille, and with me
today is reverend Ayanna Mojica. Ayanna has a Master’s in fine arts and is a renaissance
woman. She’s a spiritual teacher, artist, alchemist and healer. She transformed
from being a traditional ordained minister within the Christian church and now
serves as a mystical minister of metaphysics and sacred sexual alchemy. She
really facilitates the highest caliber of heart centered events, offers
international workshops and sacred journeys, and is soon to be published in her
book Deep Treasures: Transmuting Your Relationship Between Sex and Money.
Welcome Ayanna.

Ayanna Mojica: Hello. Hello. I’m so glad to be here, and I’m
honored to be your guest for your show today Francesca.

Francesca Gentille: Well I’m delighted because that topic of
transmuting, transforming a relationship between sex and money is so important,
and it’s always important but especially at times in the world and times of
culture when it’s up, when we feel challenged by it. And this has been one of
those times. And what I would love for you to speak a little bit about is how
did you get started on this path of transmuting the relationship between, you
know, of sex and money? And what are we transmuting it from into?

Ayanna Mojica: Oh wow, okay. Well that’s a big topic there,
but I…

Francesca Gentille: Well lets start with you…

Ayanna Mojica: Yes, yes. Well as my bio says, I was a
traditional Christian minister in the traditional church. And before I became
married to the man I was married to, who was a minister as well, sex was okay,
sex was just a natural thing that I experienced. But then I became a minister
and a born again Christian and became celibate because I was taught that sex
out of marriage was not okay. And I knew that when I got married then I could
have sex freely. Well I met this man who was a minister and committed to
serving God, and in the ten years of marriage we had sex five times, only five
times. And so I was very disturbed by that, but I was very committed to the
marriage, very committed to serving God. And then he decided to leave me ‘cause
he said I wasn’t fun anymore, so after him leaving me I thought I would just go
on and continue to serve God in the ministry. I’d been invited all over the
world to teach and preach. And one day as I was going down the hill of my
canyon home, all the sudden my whole body lit up in what I call a sacred
sexual, just burning up with fire, and what people call the Kundalini energy,
sexual energy. And every day for a month as I went down that hill, this energy
would just fire up and go from my genitals all the way up to my head and I
would experience this incredible bliss, but at the same time I thought it was
funny. I said, “God, this is not funny. I’m going to serve you for the rest of
my life. I can’t have sex out of marriage, and what do I do with this? This is
not funny?” And so I began this long process of questioning of my sexuality and
what I do with my sex if I’m a woman who’s committed to serving God on the
missionary field and committed to not ever having sex again out of marriage.
And so in my quest reading text from (unintelligible) ancient, an elder, Native
American elder woman, I saw that sexuality was good, it was okay, and then
Oprah – thank god for Oprah – I saw a program on TV where she had a guest and
they were saying that sex is good and it’s very healthy and you need it in your
life. And so I began to explore my sexuality just in my thinking about it and
exploring my own body through self pleasure, and that experience there gave me
the belief that sexuality is our birthright, that it is okay to have sex, that
this wonderful body is just created to experience all this joy and pleasure.
And so then from that experience, I began to explore my relationship between
sex and money, because when I was single I was very powerful woman, I could
generate all the income I want to generate and have a wonderful, you know,
vibrant sexual life, but when I was in relationship, in a marriage or living
with someone, my finances dramatically decreased. So that was how I began to
explore, why I began to explore the relationship between sex and money. And
when I did my own exploration I began to hold workshops for women only and for
men only to find out what their experiences have been around the topic of the
relationship between sex and money, and now after several years, writing a book
on it.

Francesca Gentille: That, you know, what a story. I’m just
in awe for a moment there, of this journey that I think a lot of us can really
relate to of, it’s we’re taught what we’re taught, we’re going the way we’re
going, it’s all normal because we’re not questioning it. It’s just the way
we’re taught by our parents, our church or culture, whatever, temple, whatever
way we get. And then there’s this point; often it is, in the Shamanic world
they call it that crisis, that kind of spiritual crisis, which is sometimes a
bodily crisis, sometimes it’s the loss of a marriage or the betrayal of a
trust, where in some way the way that we’ve been thinking is shaken or
shattered and we begin to question. And then there’s that moment where the
doors open. Seek and you shall find; ask and the question will be answered.
It’s that inquiry that literally forms our lives. Our lives, our path, it’s
formed by the kinds of questions that we ask. So we begin to ask questions and
little by little the universe answers. It begins to inform us. And what I hear
is that it began to inform you ultimately with this surprise in your body
almost out of nowhere as you’re inquiring “How can I be sexual and spiritual in
a way that’s whole and holy”, this awakening comes to the body as an answer,
and yet now there’s more questions. Now there’s “Now what?” And then that next
step – so we have the inquiry’s a step – and then we have bringing our own love
and joy and pleasure home to our bodies. And really in sacred sexuality around
the world, in every texture, archaeological shard that you can find, there’s
this coming into a deeply spiritual self-love and blessing and connection to
the life force, the pleasurable life force in the body. And then there’s that
next step where suddenly you’re asking about relationship and money. And I want
to find out more about that next step, and also we’ll talk about how people can
integrate some of this in their lives and practice it, when we come back from a
break and a word from our fabulous sponsors, who we encourage you to support
because it allows shows like this to keep coming to you. And we’ll be right
back.

Francesca Gentille: Welcome back to Sex, Tantra and Kama
Sutra: Bringing You The Soul of Sex, and now the soul of sex and money, with
the reverend Ayanna Mojica, Master’s in fine arts, a renaissance woman,
spiritual teacher, alchemist and healer, with a soon to be published book, Deep
Treasures: Transmuting Your Relationship To Sex Between Sex and Money. And we
were right there before our commercial break, that sense of men and women
experiencing that when they’re in relationship they’re, instead of being more
successful, more prosperous, that some of us experience being less successful
and less prosperous. And sometimes we hear that from men, but we’re also
hearing you speak of it from women, is that male or female there can be a way
that we’re relating to money, relationship, sexuality, that actually depletes
us when those show up together. Could you say a little bit more about what is
that wounding? Where does it come from? And then we’ll look after that at how
we transmute it.

Ayanna Mojica: Excellent! Yes, well in my research I have
found that both men and women experience this, can experience kind of an
unbalance or an energy drain in the area of sex or money, so whether you’re
single or whether you’re in relationship. But where it shows up in relationship
a lot is either one area or the other area is depleted or not in balance or not
perking at its highest point that it could possibly perk at. And that’s because
of what I’ve found is these what I call limiting beliefs that we come into
relationship. We come into relationship with these limiting belief systems that
come from our culture, from our family, from religion, from when you’re in the
wound – I mean womb. And so we come with these beliefs and, about sex or we
come with these beliefs about money that we saw or heard or actually
experienced. And some of them work. Some of those beliefs work really well and
they work really well for us when we’re single, whether it’s in the area of sex
or money. But some of those do not work and most relationships that I’ve seen
and most people that I’ve worked with, there’s an unbalance in one of those
areas, and especially shows up when they’re in relationship. I’ve interviewed
men who do well with money until they get into relationship and then all of the
sudden the money’s being drained. Or there’s an unbalance or wounding around
the sexual area. And so it happens, it could happen with men, it could happen
with women, it could happen in relationship, and especially really, really
blows up or starts showing in relationship. And they say that with divorce,
many of the divorces, the three top areas why people divorce has to do with
either communication, sex or money. And when one of those areas are out of balance,
then especially just in stressful times like these, that’s where, that’s where
it really, really shows up. And I…

Francesca Gentille: Now if you were just getting by before
when the stress level goes up, it’s really going to show where there’s those fractures
or there’s those depletions around, beliefs around sex and money and/or a lack
of skill and communication. Would you mind telling us what some of those most
common limiting beliefs might be around sex and/or around money?

Ayanna Mojica: Here’s one of my favorite ones that I’ve
heard a man say: “No money, no honey.” If you don’t have the money, you’re not
going to get the honey; I thought that was, that’s my favorite one. Women don’t
feel good enough or sex is bad or it’s not healthy. For men, even themselves,
I’ve heard men say things like sex out of marriage is not good or healthy or –
I’m trying to think of some other, I have a whole list of those, of these…

Francesca Gentille: And I think, you know, what your
pointing to around sex – we’re kind of talking a little bit more about sex –
but I think it’s equal about money; you know, money is the root of all evil,
you can’t serve God and money…

Ayanna Mojica: Yeah.

Francesca Gentille: You know, things like that, these
limiting beliefs. I want to invite our listening audience to try on – you know,
try on like you would try on a coat, throw it away if it’s not fitting – but
try it on like it might be a great new way to look at this, is that what we’ve
thought of as true about sex or about money may be a coat that no longer fits.
Maybe something that, you know, whoever told it at the time or wrote it down in
whatever book was trying to give some good and sage advice, but it may no
longer serve us. It may be a coat that we’ve outgrown. And when Ayanna and I
were – we have these little private conversations before we get, you know, the
show with you – we were speaking of this fact that in our world there’s so many
things that could be sacred – you know, gardening or children or love or, you
know, that we consider sacred – and then somehow we leave sex and money outside
the sacred. We say, “Well all of this is sacred, but sex and money are not.”
And one of the questions that I often ask is “Is there anywhere where God is
not?” So if the divine is in fact anywhere and everywhere, then couldn’t
sexuality and our relationship to money in fact be sacred? So what we’re
shifting even in asking that question, we’re shifting from it’s limited, it’s
negative, it’s bad, we can’t get it, we need money to get it, but money is bad
too – or whatever version that is – to what if it could be sacred, how can we
bring it into the sacred? So I’d love to say that question to you because I
know you’re dwelling on this and this is that gorgeous book that I can hardly
wait to get my hands on….

Ayanna Mojica: Thank you.

Francesca Gentille: Is how we shift those limiting beliefs
and bring sexuality and money back into the sacred?

Ayanna Mojica: Beautiful. Thank you so much. The shifting
happens first when we’re very clear about what it is that is driving us or
motivating us in these areas because thoughts lead to feelings, feelings lead
to actions and actions lead to results. So we have these underlying thoughts
that are driving us so we’re not sure. So when we are very consciously aware of
what we’re believing and what is driving us around sex, around money, then we
can look and see what works and heighten that, and then we can look and see
what is not working and begin to heal that and allow that to be healed. And one
of the ways that some of the tools that I use for healing that for myself and
also for the clients and students who come to me is, one of them is actually
our sexual energy, that both sex and money is energy, everything is energy. So
it is all energy, and for our listeners, the second chakra, the second energy
center is where they say “Our sexuality and our money are both in that area. So
we can heal those areas, that area there, through, with our sexual energy with
transmuting our sexual energy, with bringing that energy up into our heart, up
into our pineal gland, letting that energy just flow through our bodies and
feeling all the pleasure and the delight, feeling the strength that comes from
that, that beautiful bliss and orgasmic energy, waves of delight, that we can
feel the pleasure and allow the healing to come. So one of the things that I do
is teaching, first of all, the how to transmute that energy. I also use what’s
called emotional freedom technique, the EFT technique, which is tapping out
energy, beliefs that are stuck in our bodies and clearing that. I also use
breath, we use breath, we use movement. I don’t use a traditional therapeutic
model, but I can, I refer people to therapeutic, to therapists. I also use the
arts in helping people to uncover the layers that may be driving, that are no
longer working. And then I help them tap into the beautiful field of
possibilities and access a symbol that would symbolize and can be energized to
create this new thought form, this new belief system. And they begin to create
that on, with art, and then use that symbol, they see it everyday, they have a
new affirmation to replace the old ones that were, that were driving them
before and now they are, they’ve been cleared, they’re healing. Now they use
this new affirmation to bring that in not only for themselves, but when they’re
in partnership. So now they’re using the alchemy of their sacred sexual energy,
the alchemy of breath, the alchemy of the arts, the alchemy of the, this new
symbol and these new affirmations, integrating all that to change and allow the
energy of sex and the energy of money to come up to a higher vibration, and
then beginning to see that it’s all about energy and we bring it up higher and
higher and higher and create a new paradigm, a new way of being for our self
personally and then we’re in relationship. It’s very powerful when you’re in
relationship to clear this and to heal it and to balance it and bring it to a
higher form.

Francesca Gentille: You know, it’s such a blessing to the
world if we can do it with ourselves and especially in a relationship. And just
to review really quick, I love that you said our thoughts lead to our feelings.
We also feel that our feelings come first, but our thoughts lead to our
feelings, our feelings and thoughts lead to our actions and our actions lead to
results. So when we start to change our thoughts and our feelings, we’re
changing actions, we’re changing results, we’re literally creating a new world.
And you said step one was to bring those limiting beliefs into awareness. I’m
going to invite our listening audience; you might want to make some lists of,
you know, “What have I been told about sex or about money.” I’ve also lead
groups where we’ve done this. It’s very illuminating to find out what those
beliefs are that are back, hidden back there. And then once you’re aware of
them, to recognize that they can be changed working with a professional –
yourself, you’re wonderful Ayanna would be a choice for you. And then also
working with creating a new vision, a symbol, a simple symbol that locks in
this new vision and belief, having new affirmations. And then if we’re in
partnership, doing all of this – how exciting – to do this with a partner,
making our lists of limiting beliefs together, creating a new vision together,
a new relationship symbol that when we’re in states of pleasure, either by our
self or with another, we can focus that energy of arousal into that symbol,
into that affirmation, and literally create a new world for ourselves. So we’re
going to be coming back with more – oh, it’s so good – of how to do this right
after a break and a word from our sponsors.

Francesca Gentille: Welcome back to Sex, Tantra and Kama
Sutra: Brining You The Soul of Sex, and the soul of money today, with the
amazing teacher, reverend Ayanna Mojica - I love that name, it’s so gorgeous –
who is about to publish a book, Deep Treasures: Transmuting Your Relationship
Between Sex and Money. And I love these steps that you’re giving us, and I want
more. There’s just not enough of this discussed in the culture and how we get
out of these kind of trapped places in our head around sex and money. So we’ve
got about 8 minutes left; what gems would you like to share with us?

Ayanna Mojica: I would like to share – and thank you Francesca;
I love how you bring it all very clear, make it all very clear for your
audience, and thanks for the questions in leading and guiding. You’re fabulous
at what you do. I would like to just emphasize a little bit more about the
transmuting of the sexual energy and how just such a powerful tool for us,
especially during this time. So, and with our own personal bodies, the
different exercises that I’m not able to go through right now, but there are
different exercises and practices that we can use, that wonderful juicy
pleasurable joyful orgasmic energy, to raise our own energy up higher, and we
have a really clear vision of where we want to go or a clear vision of this new
way of being sexually, a new way of creating this cash flow or what we want to
see happen in our lives around abundance and money, actually use that beautiful
orgasmic energy to what I call potentize our vision. And so this is a practice
that, this is a practice that we can really tap into, this beautiful creative
life force, to actualize what we want for ourselves personally, and this is so
powerful for couples, so powerful for couples to be able to actualize what they
want in the relationship sexually, in their romantic relationship and what they
would like to experience for themselves in the area of abundance and wealth.
And so that’s one thing, and I just want to share a testimonial from a client
that I have been working with. He’s a single man, single male, and he wants, he
came to me because he wanted to really make a shift in his, as far as
relationships and with money. And he was, he’s been doing pretty well; he’s a
professional man, a systems engineer. But he wanted a beloved in his life and
he also wanted to increase his income. So I coached him on, first of all,
getting very clear on what he wants in both of these areas, and also to help
him to see what the limiting beliefs were. And we did some healing energy work
around the limiting beliefs so that could be cleared, but then I coached him on
how to transmute, how to use what they call sex magic, or how to use sexual
alchemy, and a simple foundational practice, and he began to practice that and
he wants, he wanted a love in his life. Well within in30 days he calls me up,
he says, “Guess what, guess what. This woman that, she’s perfect for me. She
contacted me and she wants to be in a relationship with me, and it just seem so
ideal, it just seems perfect. We have so much in common.” So now he’s in
relationship with this person. And then two days ago he emails me and he says,
“I am moving into a million dollar home in Lahoya and starting a new business
with, in the area of engineering.” And so his whole, this all happened in two
months, and this is the power of not only getting clear about your relationship
between sex and money and what are the underlying beliefs, but then healing it,
clearing it and transmuting it.

Francesca Gentille: So anything is possible when we take on
shifting, and I think this is so beautiful. Many of us listening even now – and
I’ve gone through this myself in the last year – go through tons of suffering.
We go through loss, job loss, relationship loss, financial loss, deaths in our
life; that is a part of life. And there’s this opportunity under crisis, the
Chinese (unintelligible) for change is actually crisis and opportunity, it has
two little icons within it, crisis and opportunity. And so there’s this
opportunity under crisis to have what’s underneath come to the surface, those
limiting beliefs become more easy to list and look at because they’re in our heads
constantly – “I’ll never make it”, “I’ll never find someone to love”, “I don’t
have enough money to be loveable”, “I’m not talented enough to have money.” But
while those limiting beliefs are so loud in our heads is the perfect time to
really capture them and then to revive them, transmute them, transform them,
revitalize them, and to bring that life force energy, literally that energy of
pleasure and arousal, to ourselves, and if we have a beloved to our beloved,
and in doing that and empowering our vision, our vision for what we want
instead of the complaints of what we don’t want, with our erotic energy itself
magic happens within a very short period of time, like two months. That’s,
thank you so much Ayanna for coming on the show and sharing this possibility
for miracles, which I just, we all need right now in our world today.

Ayanna Mojica: Thank you.

Francesca Gentille: And how would people find you? How would
they contact you to work with you and do you work nationwide?

Ayanna Mojica: Yes. Yes I do work nationwide and
international. I get calls internationally as well. And they can, you can visit
my website at www.ayannamojica.com.
That’s a-y-a-n-n-a-m-o-j-i-c-a, dot com. My phone number is 949-395-3359. I
would love it if you visited my website and very, just feel very tender,
especially towards the couples, to help you really energize and strengthen your
relationships. And I do have a special on my website when you visit, a special
for the Deep Treasures, exploring your dynamic relationship between sex and
money and then transmuting it. And so if you visit my website there will be a
special on there that you can take advantage of and I would love, love, love to
hear from you.

Francesca Gentille: Thank you so much Ayanna for joining us
on the show today. And I want to thank you, our listening audience, for being
those people of heart, of spirit, who are transmuting your relationship to sex,
to money, to relationship itself, to bring forth a world of peace and harmony
and beauty. If you want to learn more about Ayanna, myself, see our pictures,
find out more about our services, you can do that – get the transcripts from
this show – you can do that at www.personallifemedia.com.
That’s www.personallifemedia.com,
Sex, Tantra and Kama Sutra: Bringing You The Soul of Sex.