History is replete with defense and defense undermining techniques. Walls were great. Until the cannon. One must understand why "invaders" seek access to the citadel. Unless that is understood and addressed then walls will be undermined, skirted, toppled.

CPUd

04-23-2017, 05:30 AM

http://i.imgur.com/teYjBKO.jpg

jmdrake

04-23-2017, 05:36 AM

Ron Paul is, of course, 100% right. No libertarian should support the border wall. In fact we are losing as much liberty in the "war on immigration" that we are losing in the "war on drugs" or the "war on terror." The border zone is a "first amendment free zone." People are losing property to eminent domain. It's disgraceful to see libertarians line up behind this movement. The H1B visa situation shows this has nothing to do with crime or welfare.

CPUd

04-23-2017, 05:50 AM

Hopefully Mexico will pay us back, or we can just use the PATRIOT Act to intercept their moneygrams.

undergroundrr

04-23-2017, 11:13 AM

5-star thread. Ron Paul is state of the art.

"Walling people off is not a very libertarian idea. As a matter of fact, I've always argued the walls are going to hinder the American people as much as anybody... I think a wall is totally useless and [Jeff Sessions] didn't mention how he was going to pay for that wall. That's billions of dollars. Nobody knows what it will cost and it won't work. And it's so detrimental to the concept of liberty. Because what it is is they're treating a symptom rather than saying: Our problem is [that we need] a healthy economy, and allowing people to trade freely and go back and forth. Enforce the laws that we have. I would say the wall is treating the symptom and it's not gonna work." - Ron Paul, April 20, 2017.

Madison320

04-23-2017, 11:18 AM

The H1B visa situation shows this has nothing to do with crime or welfare.

Exactly. I always hear people say about illegals, "I don't mind if they come to work, but not to go on welfare". Then they complain about H1Bs? WTF?

jmdrake

04-23-2017, 06:39 PM

5-star thread. Ron Paul is state of the art.

"Walling people off is not a very libertarian idea. As a matter of fact, I've always argued the walls are going to hinder the American people as much as anybody... I think a wall is totally useless and [Jeff Sessions] didn't mention how he was going to pay for that wall. That's billions of dollars. Nobody knows what it will cost and it won't work. And it's so detrimental to the concept of liberty. Because what it is is they're treating a symptom rather than saying: Our problem is [that we need] a healthy economy, and allowing people to trade freely and go back and forth. Enforce the laws that we have. I would say the wall is treating the symptom and it's not gonna work." - Ron Paul, April 20, 2017.

^This. It's time to take back the liberty movement from the fearmongering. We won't give up liberty for security to fight terrorism or drugs but we will give it up to keep Jorge from cutting someone's lawn or Ghandi from designing a new linguistic algorithm? Either freedom works or it doesn't.

osan

04-23-2017, 09:32 PM

Where have all the adults gone?

It feels as if the world is being run by ill-bred second-graders.

What brand of arrested development does it take to come up with such spectacular FAIL? Since it is impossible for nominally intelligent adults to be this fundamentally and perfectly stupid, one can only conclude that something else is at work here.