Wow....bit of a low blow by the dev team....

Call of Duty developer Infinity Ward has suggested that the people most engaged with the franchise aren't really gamers at all, as they don't play any titles that aren't affiliated with the series.

That's according to executive producer Mark Rubin, who told OXM that he didn't expect the imminent arrival of the next-gen consoles to have much of an impact on the make-up of COD's audience.

"Regardless of platform - people's gaming habits aren't going to change just because there's a new platform," he said. "We have an enormous amount of players who are more in the casual game space, but they play a lot.

"It's kind of a weird, ironic thing to say; They aren't hardcore gamers, or even gamers, but they play Call of Duty every night. And those guys are going to continue to play regardless of platform. So I think not only will we continue to engage with that existing player base, but we'll take next gen and see how far we can go with it."

You think so? I duno maybe its just me but if you are someone that spends time playing video games of any variety on a regular basis then you are a gamer.

I'm not a call of duty fan personally, but I wouldn't call someone that goes home every day after work and devotes a few hours or more to a COD title...not a gamer. My mother in law spends hours everyday playing facebook games. She's addicted to Candy Crush. I'd call her a gamer.

More interesting to see if they can make good with trying to take on rockstar with its sales records

Probably will, but will it be due to over-hyping of PS4 and X1 or just it's a good game. Me personally I did like Black Ops 2, but not too fussed about this one because the last good COD game I played really was COD: 4 lol.

You think so? I duno maybe its just me but if you are someone that spends time playing video games of any variety on a regular basis then you are a gamer.

I'm not a call of duty fan personally, but I wouldn't call someone that goes home every day after work and devotes a few hours or more to a COD title...not a gamer. My mother in law spends hours everyday playing facebook games. She's addicted to Candy Crush. I'd call her a gamer.

Anyone that plays any type of game is a gamer. The distinction they were making was between casual and hardcore.

They are basically talking about those people who play COD a lot (so you can mistake them as hardcare) when they are really not -- since they wouldn't really keep playing games if they didn't have COD.

I guess the term gamer has been made to sound too exclusive, and more involved. We don't have a separate name for that in other fields. In truth mostly every person plays, reads, watches movies, listens to music etc. There are film buffs, bookworms, audiophiles though, but not for the casual person.

i kinda agree with mark rubin, i have more friends on my psn list that just play call of duty then anything else then the other way around. i mean hey they can play what they want, but rubin has a point imho. now to say they aren't hardcore gamers...well eeeeeehhh......thats speculative.

in my eyes they are gamers, but "hardcore" shouldn't be in the discussion here