wow! isnt this the same clark we humiliated all over the field a while back? do these guys not learn? y is he yapping about our bizness anyways? didnt literally use "girl" but it certainlyis implied.. he ducks, sees ghosts, cant handle the pressure, panics when he has to make an actual play when the timing is not there.. bad at improvision. says a lot about our ball. seeems like the book on him though. suggs implied the same. tb wont fight when kicked a few times, he crumbles and gets happy feet disease. bad indictment. i have a feelin bb knows all this as well and will b preemptively making adjustments.

No. The guy Brady humiliated was Anthony Smith...not Clark. Clark didn't call Brady "a girl". This is what he said:

“When Tom Brady gets pressure and when you’re man-to-man and bumping those guys and making it hard for him to throw, he sees ghosts,” Clark said. “Even when guys aren’t around him, even when he’s not about to be sacked, when his clock goes off in his head that the ball should be out, we’ll see him duck, we’ll see him flinch. When you get Tom Brady doing that, the whole New England Patriots mystique goes away.”

I hate to say this, but I tend to agree with Clark. Over the past few years, Brady appears to hear footsteps. He at times rushes his throws, and appears to be more skittish in the pocket.

Gotta love a guy who talks smack yet can't play at altitude cause it weakens his body.

Really?? So, because the altitude and exertion of play could cause his death, he shouldn't talk smack?

I can think of plenty of other reasons he shouldn't talk smack, but a serious health condition that can be avoided isn't one of them.

Your response is more childish than his.

You sticking up for a dirty cheap player shouldn't suprise me. Note to you fool he plays a gm that could cause grave injury to him so yes his condition is fair gm.

Try again. His condition and the violence of the game have nothing to do with each other.

And lets not talk about sticking up for "dirty cheap" players. Regardless of his play, these were only his words, which defendable or not, provide no basis for your poorly conceived retort.

Finally, as a pats fan, I am willing to bet that you've defended a dirty cheap player or two - or have the pats never employed one of those players?

Yes, but why you defend MOUTHY and ARROGANT players? I would absolutely cringe if a Pats player went on ESPN babbling about a past game or how my team succeeded in something, acting like a know it all, so selfishly so.

You look absolutely ridiculous defending it.

Can you show me where I have defended the player? Don't allow yourself to be as dumb as the Stan. Stan tried to make a snarky retort that really had nothing to do with Clark's comments. Stan's comment was the basis of my response.

And similar to what I said before, I'll say to you. As a pats fan, I am sure you've defended arrogant mouthy players before - or do they not exist on the patriots?

Mouthy out in public like that? No, they don't exist. And yes, you are defending Clark simply because someone pointed out his medical condition.

Most people with medical conditions are humble, classy people, not arrgoant jerks like Clark.

Are you seriously comparing Joey Porter, Hines Ward, Harrison or Clark's mouths to the Pats and their infamous way of keeping quiet and things in house?

Please stop.

This does't count with the usuall on field yammering that all teams do, either. But, claiming the Pats players go on the radio or tv and mouth off is ridiculous.

Sorry Russ - you're wrong. I am not defending Clark - I am calling out a poster who's retort was about something over which Clark had no control. He didn't give himself his medical condition. If he wanted to retort appropriately, he would have made a statement about Clark's own poor play.

Did Wes Welker not trash talk about Rex Ryan? Didn't Brady throw a little trash Plaxico Burress' way before their first superbowl meeting? Didn't the pats famously dance on the charger's logo?

Here's the thing - I don't want excuses. The pats have had dirty players and they've had players who trash talk - BFD. It happens. But to call someone out for their inherited genetic health condition is childish.

Brady has some of the best pocket presence in NFL history. It is one of the reasons he has become the HoF player he is. I suggest some of the "fans" here watch some other QBs in this league before they complain about Brady being "skittish" in the pocket. Sometimes he feels pressure that isn't there. BIG DEAL. So does every QB. For every one of those events there are probably at least 10 instances where he buys extra time with a little movement in the pocket. A few years ago Aaron Rodgers said Brady had the best pocket presence in the NFL by far. Would the naysayers like to provide some evidence that this element of Brady's game has declined dramatically in the past 2 seasons?

wow! isnt this the same clark we humiliated all over the field a while back? do these guys not learn? y is he yapping about our bizness anyways? didnt literally use "girl" but it certainlyis implied.. he ducks, sees ghosts, cant handle the pressure, panics when he has to make an actual play when the timing is not there.. bad at improvision. says a lot about our ball. seeems like the book on him though. suggs implied the same. tb wont fight when kicked a few times, he crumbles and gets happy feet disease. bad indictment. i have a feelin bb knows all this as well and will b preemptively making adjustments.

No. The guy Brady humiliated was Anthony Smith...not Clark. I hate to say this, but I tend to agree with Clark. Over the past few years, Brady appears to hear footsteps. He at times rushes his throws, ans appears to be more skittish in the pocket.

but note TP Clark says part of that is because Brady is conditioned to throw the ball within a certain time frame, especially to Welker on those quick crossing routes, so even he is saying it's as much about getting the ball out when he is conditioned to as any footsteps...i think he is being less deragatory than analyzing Brady

I do think Brady was quick triggered and seeing things after that horrible injury but he isn't now at least not to any great extent...I don't think he was "skittish" in 46

True...but I also think he was telling it like it is about Brady being a bit more skittish in the pocket, then he was in his younger days, prior to his knee injury. For example, he seemed to rush that throw to a wide open Welker in the final minutes of SB 46...making what should have been a easy reception, a difficult one.

I concur, but you're also not calling out the initiator which is Ryan Clark.

I don't really care about Clark's comments. That's for you guys to get all hopped up about. Not my domain. I'll accept if you or any pats fans are P.O.'d about it, but really its much ado about nothing.

You'll note that I haven't commented on any retorts that question Clark's comments or call out his lack of strong play at times. I simply thought it was poor form to call the guy out for having an inherited genetic condition. As someone else put it - its like trashing someone for getting cancer or Downs for that matter.

Looking at the article, I dont care what someone says. Always talking smack in the NFL. What concerned me is TB's QB rating. Less than 3 seconds 81%, tells me short passing, easier to Defend. More Defenders in short space.After 3 seconds 60 QBR. Tells me not as effecient in down field passing, as we think.

Play-Action always mess with the Defenders when you want to throw deep. It's the deception, they have to honor the run, even when the whole play is not going to be a run.

I've said this before, dont like QB's who are not mobile for the Shotgun.

I agree, play action makes this offense much more difficult to defend. When they become predictable the other teams load up. The shotgun is a dead giveaway IMO, defenses pin their ears back and go after him, Brady's much more effective under center.

I'd like to semi-congratulate the Steelers for expecting that they're going to make the playoffs. If they weren't going to presumably make the playoffs, presumably face the Patriots some time in January and presumably get to the AFC crown, then they'd never think about talking smack about the Pats who aren't in their division.

Would a Patriot ever talk smack about, to pick a random team, Cleveland?

So, the message boils down to an admission that the Patriots have to be beat in January.