Advanced stats-wise, Radulov might be the worst forward on the team (now that Cracknell's gone):

The far right column is "expected goals/60", which is being hit out of the park for Seguin (who is insane right now) (average for an NHL forward is 0.65, so Tyler's twice as good as the average player). Radulov looks to be scoring about one goal every 9 or so games, at his current pace. Expected Goals takes into account the type of shot, the distance, etc etc. He's just not launching any threatening shots whatsoever.

Further proof advanced stats are bullshit. Three guys on the ice together with the exception of some PK time, and the advanced stats want to say they can measure that much meaningful difference between them? Total lies.

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Troy McClure wrote:Further proof advanced stats are bullshit. Three guys on the ice together with the exception of some PK time, and the advanced stats want to say they can measure that much meaningful difference between them? Total lies.

They pretty much mirror the eye test. Radulov skates around a lot and throws his body around, but his line doesn't produce anything because of it. He's been gifted open shots on net and flubbed them. He'll probably get better, but his first five games he's been a Glorified Garbutt: all flurry with no result.

Radulov is also leading all forwards on the team in relative Corsi for, so obviously he is the best player since ever. Just gotta find the metric that suits your needs.

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ScubaSteve wrote:We can all agree that Pitlick has been pretty good though, yes?

Oilers fans seemed to like him a lot, but they had given up on him because he never could stay healthy. I love how he plays. His forecheck game is top notch.

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Basically what these graphs show is that since Hitch put Pitlick with Faksa and Roussel, that line has been absofuckinglutely amazing. They allow hardly any shots and no goals, while launching waves of shots on the opposing net.

Every time Todd posts some *fargin'* graph in hieroglyphics that gives absolutely no clue what information it is supposed to convey, I more clearly see why the NHL doesn't really do much with advanced stats.

Take shift starts, for example. Those numbers don't tell the whole story about how a guy is used. Some percentage of shifts start with a line change while some additional percentage start with neutral zone faceoffs. Yet no one seems to published what all these various percentages are, but here we are breaking down how a guy is used without factoring in the other ways shifts start.

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slaps wrote:Every time Todd posts some *fargin'* graph in hieroglyphics that gives absolutely no clue what information it is supposed to convey, I more clearly see why the NHL doesn't really do much with advanced stats.

I mean. I understand there are fans that are really into the stats *poo poo*. But, for me it totally takes away from the enjoyment of the game. I'd rather just watch an entertaining product.

I deal with statistical analyses all day in the lab. Hockey is my escape from it.

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slaps wrote:Every time Todd posts some *fargin'* graph in hieroglyphics that gives absolutely no clue what information it is supposed to convey, I more clearly see why the NHL doesn't really do much with advanced stats.

I mean. I understand there are fans that are really into the stats *poo poo*. But, for me it totally takes away from the enjoyment of the game. I'd rather just watch an entertaining product.

I deal with statistical analyses all day in the lab. Hockey is my escape from it.

If you were to measure how much enjoyment it takes, would you do so in parsecs?

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slaps wrote:Every time Todd posts some *fargin'* graph in hieroglyphics that gives absolutely no clue what information it is supposed to convey, I more clearly see why the NHL doesn't really do much with advanced stats.

I mean. I understand there are fans that are really into the stats *poo poo*. But, for me it totally takes away from the enjoyment of the game. I'd rather just watch an entertaining product.

I deal with statistical analyses all day in the lab. Hockey is my escape from it.

If you were to measure how much enjoyment it takes, would you do so in parsecs?

More like give-a-fucks. Every graph posted takes away one more.

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Troy McClure wrote:Take shift starts, for example. Those numbers don't tell the whole story about how a guy is used. Some percentage of shifts start with a line change while some additional percentage start with neutral zone faceoffs. Yet no one seems to published what all these various percentages are, but here we are breaking down how a guy is used without factoring in the other ways shifts start.

I'm pretty sure they track all that *poo poo* too, but since most line changes occur in the nuetral zone anyways, they can nix that data because it's meaningless. Zone starts are pretty good indicators of how your coach uses you. Every so often, a player comes along that takes most of their starts in the defensive zone, and drive insane offensive zone possession numbers anyways. Datsyuk was really good at that, as was Brad Richards-era Jamie Benn. But mostly they're just a number that tells you what a coach thinks about so-and-so.