What I had in mind, here, was to tie their origins and powers more closely to the Old Gods... possibly the Emerald Nightmare, in a way. Lord Godfrey could wind up joining the Twilight's Hammer and letting the rest in... and, in the end, possibly wind up as a worgen himself, leader of the Twilight's Scythe pack (I don't know if they'd actually have the Scythe of Elune, or just be constantly seeking it). Or, if not Godfrey, perhaps Crowley could turn evil... though I'd prefer it to be Genn, as I genuinely like Crowley a lot more and believe he serves better as a leader within the integrated Alliance, as he was against Gilnean isolationism, whereas all of our prior exposure to Genn was him being a colossal jerk.

I like how you say that given all Genn did was for his people and only them. You keep saying the same about the Forsaken.

I like how you say that given all Genn did was for his people and only them. You keep saying the same about the Forsaken.

Look carefully and you'll see that I've never said that Sylvanas wasn't a colossal jerk. I just believe she has more story potential than that. I'm not opposed to Genn not going evil, I only suggested him if people disliked Godfrey becoming a worgen.

Look carefully and you'll see that I've never said that Sylvanas wasn't a colossal jerk. I just believe she has more story potential than that. I'm not opposed to Genn not going evil, I only suggested him if people disliked Godfrey becoming a worgen.

And im talking about the Forsaken actions that you defend, not Sylvanas.

Look carefully and you'll see that I've never said that Sylvanas wasn't a colossal jerk

You advocated that Sylvanas CAN redeem herself. So basically one of the characters who committed the worst atrocities in WoW can be redeemed despite being a colossal jerk and a genocidal crazy self-absorbing undead woman.

You advocated that Sylvanas CAN redeem herself. So basically one of the characters who committed the worst atrocities in WoW can be redeemed despite being a colossal jerk and a genocidal crazy self-absorbing undead woman.

That means you did defend Sylvanas in past arguments.

Not what was said prior.

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Thing is, after Cataclysm it's the "you want a new zone or an updated Gilneas?".

And why wouldn't they want it back?

Seriously, your retcon is only good for the Horde, not the Alliance.

Compromise: Gilneas is hit by the Twilight's Hammer, but the actual final zone remains the Twilight Highlands.

Compromise; Gilneas is hit by the Twilight's Hammer, but the actual final zone remains the Twilight Highlands.

No, just no. We won't spare your miserable Forsaken the vilain bat to give it to one of the most boring and overused ennemy factions because the Forsaken are evil and them attacking Gilneas is perfectly logical. What doesn't make sense is us not counter-attacking.

I would retcon Arthas' disney moments. Part of Nerzhul/Arthas struggle side-effect it was.

If I get an other answer, then it would be to say that the Lich King (after Frozen Throne's ending) was a combination of Ner'zhul's and Arthas's psyches, and they agreed with each other so often and so strongly that it became impossible to tell which parts of the Lich King were from Arthas and which were from Ner'zhul.

No, just no. We won't spare your miserable Forsaken the vilain bat to give it to one of the most boring and overused ennemy factions because the Forsaken are evil and them attacking Gilneas is perfectly logical. What doesn't make sense is us not counter-attacking.

So... your end goal here is not to give the worgen a better arc, but rather to make the Horde seem worse?

The solution to that problem is not "cease faction conflict." The solution to that problem is "take away the Forsaken's plot armor."

But will that really help?

If we need to do that - take away Alliance and Horde plot armor. But, in my retcon, The Alliance would be practically destroyed if we are to believe they've been losing or on the losing side the entire time before the Uprising. (In the Horde)

And by the time the Crowned Prince gets back to Stormwind, it's already occupied by anti-Wyrnn Nobles, and they blind the fucker.

And then they begin to talk on whether or keep him imprisoned, or exile him.

The Horde, likewise, goes through a Succession Crisis over the fact the Alliance's Despot basically declared who was warchief. He/She did not earn the title by right.

Well sure, it works if we interpret them as all massive jerks. But I was just thinking it'd be nice if they had something so recent and so strong - like the Sunwell's restoration - to be grateful to the Horde for.

(You know, considering most of the Blood Elven leaders fought against these same orcs in the Second War and saw their countryside destroyed and family members butchered.)