Interpreting the "prophecy of the popes" in light of Malachi Martin's statements on Fatima

Petrus Romanus, Peter or Rome or Rock of Rome. It would appear to indicate that the next leader of the Catholic Church will be Italian.

Not only is it likely that the next leader of the church will be Italian, we know that his name is Peter. Tarcisio Pietro Evasio Bertone. An Italian
named Peter will be Carmelengo, a person who leads the church in the time between Popes. You can see here
en.wikipedia.org... that he has been Camelengo since 2007.

So between the time the Pope abdicates and a new pope is selected, Peter of Rome will be leader but not Pope. Perhaps this is why the prophecies of
the popes does not mention a 112th pope.

I guess we will see if there is some disaster that interrupts the Papal Conclave. Meteor anyone? Or perhaps that bunk Osama death raid to cover up the
theft of a couple of nukes from Pakistan, the NWO just has to set one off, destroy the Papacy and blame Pakistan/Iran based on "radiological
evidence." The NWO gets rid of the Roman Catholic Church, their bank, and then claims moral authority to attack the only two remaining countries that
do not have NWO central banks. If prophecy is correct, then it will be the end time and in seven years the destruction of the satanist NWO.

I have always been a follower of the End Time and Revelations. Seeing that almost ALL the Popes are 'ruling' for many, many years I have always been
interested in John Paul I 1978.
John Paul I was elected Pope on August 26, 1978, when there was a half moon.
He reigned only 33 days, do any of you (that has more information than I do on the Pope Prophesies) think he was inconvenient and had to go?
Do you think the fact he was "Pope of the Half-Moon" He became pope on August 26, 1978, when the moon appeared exactly half full. It was in its
waning phase have anything to do with his demise? Since he died the following month, soon after an eclipse of the moon really makes it interesting.
Does anyone think he was murdered?

By the way, I have noticed the OP seems to have struck a nerve in a 'sensitive' area as a lot of the people in this discussion(even the 'main
players') has been hit with the "OFF TOPIC" mod-hit.
Not trying to bring the mod's wrath onto myself by bringing this up but why are so many replies (even if it seems a little 'off-topic') are not left
on to help stir the imagination of ATS members who sometimes think 'outside the box'? Are they really so off-topic as to be silenced?
Just wondering.

UPDATE: Okay, I see the OP was started by a Mod. I didn't notice that at first. By the way, I am Christian but think the Catholic church is a great
silencer of TRUTH!

it appears they may elect a pope during an adverse astrological period. one should not make important decisions during mercury retrograde. this occurs
between feb 23rd and march 17, 2013.

and there are 7 planets in pisces on the 10th march, sun, moon, mercury, venus, mars, neptune, and chiron. all under the spiritual influence of
pisces ruler neptune, planet of spirituality, but alternativly---illusion! a week later and there's still 4 planets in pisces. it will be
interesting.

That dissection of the Prince William's coat of arms does not all make sense. What is the significance of the chain and the harp of David? David used
his harp to calm king Saul when he was tormented by evil spirits. The reference to the chain is to lock up the evil spirits.

1Samuel 16:22.23 Then Saul sent a message to Jesse: "I like David. Let him stay here in my service." From then on, whenever the evil spirit sent by
God came on Saul, David would get his harp and play it. The evil spirit would leave, and Saul would feel better and be all right again.

Perhaps, one may wonder as to way there are a significant number of biblical references associated with the future kings coat of arms.

Moreover most of what is been explained on his coat of arms, has some reference to end time revelations of the bible, if you have read the whole
revelations of the bible...

For whatever significance it may hold, it is eerier to have that many biblical "end time" references associated with his coat of arms.

Well, David eventually became a King himself. Perhaps that is the reference of Davids harp, attributing to a "future king" and the chain to me,
signifies "suppression".

The eastern zodiac (Sidereal) uses the position of the constellations to determine the sign. And there are 13 signs in the Sidereal zodiac. For
those who practice this type of astrology, yes, the signs did change.

Fortunately, in the west we use the geocentric Tropical zodiac which considers the earth to be the center of all astrological observations and
calculations. For the western astrologers, nothing has changed and nothing will change until the earth is transported forward or backward in our
orbital path (not happening anytime soon).

So, unless you considered Orphiuchus an astrological sign, nothing changed for you. Cancel your appointment with the tattoo artist.

I was going to reply that I just do not see him as an Antichrist or a bad person, I actually get a good feeling when I look at his image.
But as I was typing it dawned on me if there was one person on this planet that could deceive the masses into believing he is the second coming it
would be the son of Diana.

do you think the anti christ would come with horns and a pitch fork?

what better way to decieve than to come as a freind of all, someone who preaches peace yet was trained in war, a person of nobility who appears in
touch with the common man.
the last person you would expect to be the anti christ would in fact be the best candidate.

A giant rock from outer space explodes on or over Rome. Catholics would like to name such an event, much the same way we name massive storms. The city
of seven hills would be destroyed.

Peter obviously means rock Latin. The biblical Peter gets his name because Jesus left his mission to carry his church to Peter, the rock.
bible.cc...

If he left his church to Peter, would it not be Peter, the rock, who ultimately destroys it upon the 2nd coming of Jesus, ie Judgement Day and the
rise of the Anti-Christ. Only instead of a symbolic reference it would be quite literal.

This would also explain why Peter Romanus isn't classified as an actual Pope in the Prophecy of the Popes. Peter Romanus wouldn't even be human. Just
a giant rock plummeting from the heavens.

While the Mayan calendar marks months and years, we all know it also marked something similar to what might be referred to as an age. What if this age
wasn't just a made up number, but also dealt with another celestial event. I know, I know, not this again, but read this out.

It has been posited that all celestial bodies are in motion. So even our sun has an elliptical. What if the Mayan calendar is based on the Sun's
elliptical and we just celebrated a full rotation of the Sun's elliptical? How would they know when that occurs? There would have to be a systemic
event that occurs every few thousand years to mark it. Something that tells us where in the vastness of space we are in the elliptical. A debris field
would do just that. A debris field traveling it's own elliptical, that every few thousand years we pass through. Because it's not stationary (nothing
is) the actual date would fluctuate by days, months, or even by a few years. But a marker of that time could be estimated, especially if it were
chiseled into rock by people who knew the language of the society thousands of years before them.

I mean come one, if in the week of December 21st we had a meteor explode in the atmosphere over Russia with the force of an atomic bomb, a pope
decide, for the first time in 600 years, to say "you know what eff this, I'm out yo", and multiple fantastic displays of giant rocks burning up in
shallow atmosphere (most "shooting stars" are deep atmosphere events, while recent ones have been brilliantly shallow) all over the Earth we'd be
saying they were right. I think being less than 60 days off over a few thousand years while estimating for a moving target is just as brilliant as
getting it spot on. No one knows for sure that they meant December 21st exactly, maybe they were just marking the new year as the time of the event,
not the new day.

This can not be argued: according to the Mayan calendar we've entered a new time period of some kind. This can be argued but I think is valid: Just
like every other time period on a calendar it's more than likely marked by a celestial event of some kind. They based their days, months, and years
just like we do, but they also marked something we don't...what was their inspiration?

Just like us they marked time periods based on celestial events. A day is based on the Earth's rotation around its axis. A month is based on the
moon's elliptical around Earth. A year is based on Earth's elliptical around the sun. A Mayan age is based on??? My answer is the Sun's elliptical
around something we don't know, but we can mark a full rotation by a another celestial event: passing through a debris field. How large of a debris
field (width) and how dense the debris filling it gets is what we may be finding out right now. Odds are if the Earth does pass through a systemic
field it'll start with a light shower that grows more dense toward the center of the field with larger rocks towards the center and end much as it
started. It could last a day it could go on for years, it all depends on how large of a debris field it is. And one of the rocks in the field may
already have a name this "go round": The Rock of Rome: Petra Romanus

Interesting. I don't know how well a literal rock fills the bill for pastoring the sheep as Petrus Romanus is supposed to, but the fact of new
authorities of many kinds being appointed in a cluster around the end of the an age is interesting, particularly when accompanied by fire in the sky,
is hard to ignore.
I don't think they could calculate the timing of a debris field strictly from any orbit the sun might follow, as the debris field would also
presumably be orbiting, and the relative velocity of us and it will be different from the suns orbital velocity- simplest visual: if we are
"lapping" the field on the same track, going twice as fast as the field, we would only run through it every other lap, and the relationship could be
much more complicated than that.

Originally posted by wondermost
I don't think there is any question left to most sensible people that something is going on. Its up to the individual groups of people to decide what
context to take it in.

As for me? Strange days are here, and they are only gonna get stranger. We certainly will know more once the new pope is selected!

Quick question. Is the last pope supposed to be the antichrist, or is he controlled by satan himself with close ties to the antichrist? According to
the prophecy, of course!

Supposedly, the last pope is said to be a puppet of the so called Anti-Christ, who is a very very smart man behind the scenes which it will be
celebrated by people for his achievements and so he will tight the knot without anyone knowing until it is too late, supposedly...

I grieve for all the sheeple who'll be asked to swallow that pile of horse biscuits from hell.

Do you know where the bit came from that the last Pope would be evil? There seems to be some conflict on that score. I'd thought it was in Malachy's
list. Evidently not. So I don't know what prophecy that came from. Malichi Martin's? I don't recall but would like to find it.

Originally posted by wulff
I have always been a follower of the End Time and Revelations. Seeing that almost ALL the Popes are 'ruling' for many, many years I have always been
interested in John Paul I 1978.
John Paul I was elected Pope on August 26, 1978, when there was a half moon.
He reigned only 33 days, do any of you (that has more information than I do on the Pope Prophesies) think he was inconvenient and had to go?
Do you think the fact he was "Pope of the Half-Moon" He became pope on August 26, 1978, when the moon appeared exactly half full. It was in its
waning phase have anything to do with his demise? Since he died the following month, soon after an eclipse of the moon really makes it interesting.
Does anyone think he was murdered?

By the way, I have noticed the OP seems to have struck a nerve in a 'sensitive' area as a lot of the people in this discussion(even the 'main
players') has been hit with the "OFF TOPIC" mod-hit.
Not trying to bring the mod's wrath onto myself by bringing this up but why are so many replies (even if it seems a little 'off-topic') are not
left on to help stir the imagination of ATS members who sometimes think 'outside the box'? Are they really so off-topic as to be silenced?
Just wondering.

UPDATE: Okay, I see the OP was started by a Mod. I didn't notice that at first. By the way, I am Christian but think the Catholic church is a great
silencer of TRUTH!

edit on 16-2-2013 by wulff because: (no reason given)

He was definitely murdered. See this book: www.amazon.com... . I read it years ago (current
Amazon edition must be a reprint since I read it in 1990). A very fascinating and well-written book.

Malachi's last pope could be postponed indefinitely, IF:
1.in the remaining week pope Benedict who is still in the see of Peter makes the consecration of Russia together with all catholic bishops, as
precondition from heaven for granting an era of peace (probably decades if not centuries long). He could do that using one of the best intranet
networks in the world that connects the Vatican with every single bishop in the world via satellite link. All he needs to do is a short prayer
mentioning explicitly Russia, to be repeated by each catholic bishop within 24h.

2. The successor on the see of Peter does the above in the first days of his election. There are many devote cardinals who might have promised in
their hearts to do it if elected popes/ Let the chosen one does not wait a day! Every next day is critical. I hope a Latin American devote cardinal
will find the strength to do it immediately. Of course he might be a Philippine, or devote African. I doubt an European or a North American cardinal
will act upon that soon enough, even if they want to do that in principle. The example is John Paul II who spent 24 years after his miraculous escape
on May 13, 1981 the day of Fatima, talked volumes homilies, visits etc and did not say what was required - a short prayer to mention explicitly
Russia. Would the already changing USSR attack the Vatican for that? USSR disappeared, but the mindset of the Vatican people - not.

3. It is important to be understood this is the Precondition. If not fulfilled, if nothing of the above happens, the full strength of the punishment
concealed in the unknown part of Fatima will fall upon Rome and mankind. The elected one indeed will be the last pope. Perhaps the Earth will be
uninhabited for centuries. We have the Neues Europa text of Fatima -3 and it is said it is close enough but not all of the secret (said by cardinal
Ottaviani, and de facto confirmed by some words of JPII about millions to die from one minute to the next).

I was raised as a 'Good Catholic' boy. Taught by nuns, and later by Jesuits. (The latter were brilliant). Sometime during college I realized all
this religious stuff was bunk. Today at age 65 my opinion has not changed.

Back in 1961 I visited the Vatican with my parents. (Still a Catholic back then) I have to say the place is unimaginable unless you really visit and
see it for yourself. If the RC church dies, the buildings should be preserved as a museum.

During college I studied Mythology, and that was when I realized all this religious stuff was bunk. (ALL religions included). For instance the Jesus
figure has appeared some 19 times in history, and Jesus will probably not be the last. Each of those figures is slightly different, but essentially
the same if taken in context. In fact to believe that Jesus was a living person, for me, would be an absolute stretch of an imagination. My guess is
that he was a contrivance by those who had studied mythology. Some say he really lived. I've yet to see any absolute proof of that. Don't forget
there was an early church conclave which met to determine if Jesus should be considered a profit or the 'son of god'. After all if they didn't
know, then who would?

Then there are those who contend the Bible is the word of god. Well if I were god, and I wanted people to follow such a book, I'd have set things up
a bit more logically. First off I'd have imbued humans with the ability to read a certain type of language, one which could never be misinterpreted.
Then I'd never have written contradictory statements, of which the bible has incredible numbers. Essentially I'd have made the bible an absolute
truth which could be relied upon until the death of the last human.

But instead the bible is an old hand-me-down. Much comes from the Sumerian's, but bits and pieces come from other sacred texts as well. So the
document is stitched together. Indeed there appear to be other documents which have been hidden or told to us are not really part of the bible yet
were once considered as such.

Later in life I found out about "Intentions". At first this seemed a new age approach to prayer, but since I liked to experiment, I'm about to say
there is something about Intentions that really does work. So every day, surrounded by my dogs, I repeat an intention asking the universe for several
things. These things have begun to manifest when I'd have said it was nearly impossible.

One of these Intentions is very self serving. I've asked for "Unlimited abundance" (Financial and food). Since I began this I've had over
$20,000 sent to me in 2012 alone. Money I didn't expect. This year I received $1,000 unexpected, and just a few days ago $5,000. Mind you none of
this money was owed to me. I didn't earn it, and I had never asked the sources for it. None of the sources had ever received any request in any
fashion from me.

Another of my Intentions was help in creating new products (Inventing) that are made from either naturally growing things like grass or trees, that
would be safe to use by individuals, or to use present man made items that are discarded. Last fall I thought up the idea of a rust remover made from
grasses and seeds. It works, and indeed some of those who purchased it as an experiment have placed several reorders, which to me means they are
absolutely pleased with the product.

I've since come up with several other products that meet the above criteria, and firmly believe that this will not be the end. For some reason my
imagination has taken a turn I've never seen in my 65 years.

What I'm getting at is that thoughtful individuals need to investigate Intentions, and use it for their benefit and for the benefit of the human
race. THe two are somehow wrapped in the same cloth, and must be exercised together to work.

Interesting. I don't know how well a literal rock fills the bill for pastoring the sheep as Petrus Romanus is supposed to, but the fact of new
authorities of many kinds being appointed in a cluster around the end of the an age is interesting, particularly when accompanied by fire in the sky,
is hard to ignore.
I don't think they could calculate the timing of a debris field strictly from any orbit the sun might follow, as the debris field would also
presumably be orbiting, and the relative velocity of us and it will be different from the suns orbital velocity- simplest visual: if we are
"lapping" the field on the same track, going twice as fast as the field, we would only run through it every other lap, and the relationship could be
much more complicated than that.

True, unless it's actually a true debris belt. Then it would be a giant oval circling around it's own elliptical. Three dimensional speaking, we may
only pass through it on the side where our XYZ planes match up.

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