--
program, n.:
Any task that can't be completed in one telephone call or one
day. Once a task is defined as a program ("training program,"
"sales program," or "marketing program"), its implementation
always justifies hiring at least three more people.

Those aren't companies. But Linux based companies (just about all companies
actually) are down.
[color=blue]
> Ahh... the art of choosing stocks and time periods very 'selectively' to
> make a
> pointless point.[/color]

Talk about making a "selectively choosing time periods in order to make a
pointless point" - let's use the "Microsoft Collapses in Wall Street: Down
7% in One Day" thead that Roy Schestowitz posted just a few minutes as a
prime example of this.

[color=blue]
> Scott Douglas, AKA "Ezekiel", must be a Microsoft marketing person. They
> use
> the same techniques. ;-)[/color]

On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:49:29 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
[color=blue][color=green]
>> Don't like people playing by the same rules as you do? You do the same
>> thing, or at least the articles links you post do the same thing.[/color]
>
> This is a newsgroup focusing on Linux advocacy. The Windows advocacy NGs are
> there --->
>
> The Linux-bashing NGs don't even exist.
>
> :-)[/color]

I see, so pointing out how your "linux advocacy" (of which the majority is
anti-ms rhetoric) is untrue is considered offtopic.

You and Karl Rove have a lot in common. You can't stand to be held
accountable for what you say. That's the sign of a morally corrupt
individual.

10-07-2008, 12:00 AM

unix

Re: Microsoft Win/Office monopoly stands strong

In article <1557645.4gH5RI8njK@schestowitz.com>,
Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@schestowitz.com> wrote:[color=blue]
> Is Debian down? How about shares of FSF in the NASDAQ?
>
> Ahh... the art of choosing stocks and time periods very 'selectively'
> to make a pointless point.[/color]

Kind of like someone here who recently made a big deal of Microsoft's
plans to issue bonds, saying it means the company is going under, while
completely ignoring the huge bond issues from IBM? Do you need
reminding of who that was?

--
--Tim Smith

10-07-2008, 12:04 AM

unix

Re: Microsoft Win/Office monopoly stands strong

In article <1654339.ggjjChrzNO@schestowitz.com>,
Roy Schestowitz <newsgroups@schestowitz.com> wrote:[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
> >> Ahh... the art of choosing stocks and time periods very
> >> 'selectively' to make a pointless point.
> >>[/color]
> > Don't like people playing by the same rules as you do? You do the same
> > thing, or at least the articles links you post do the same thing.[/color]
>
> This is a newsgroup focusing on Linux advocacy. The Windows advocacy NGs are
> there --->[/color]

Roy's defense: it's OK to lie as long as it is a lie meant to promote
Linux.

[url]http://digg.com/linux_unix/Linux_Consulting_Unix_Consulting_Services#c5779078[/url]
Attention, folks: Digg.com Has Become Microsoft's Nuthouse and Own (Astro)
Turf

[Note: this is a ramble and a rant, so do not expect a very consistent flow
of arguments.]

Digg is considered popular. If you have never been involved or registered
with Digg before, don't bother. The site's quality has degraded in the most
terrible of ways and it's surprising that it still manages to maintain some
level of status. I have just sent out the following E-mail to Digg
(consider this an open letter):

___
Dear Digg,

I kindly ask that you check the profile/history of the following users:

*flatfish (recently banned from Propeller by the way and had 4 accounts
terminated in Digg)
*harlowmonkeys
*kretik

These people do nothing in Digg but stalking and harassing me. They spread
lies about me to. Digg has become highly chaotic and people are turned off
by such abusive and compulsive characters.
___

This is based on observations made by peers, not just myself. It's getting
out of hand.

There are 3 or 4 people at the moment who mod all my comments down
systematically (and bury my submissions too, I suspect). They are not
Diggers. They came after me from other forums where they even admitted
doing this. I have complained to Digg about this. One of them has already
had 3 or 4 accounts terminated, but he keeps creating new ones.

It's messy, but if I leave Digg, they'll get their way. Due to their
slander, some people think I'm a troll, but need to look elsewhere for
evidence, preferably in moderated forums that cannot be abused and gamed.

There is a new time of libellous accusation being spread about me at the
moment. They say that I am getting paid to object to the Microsoft/Novell
deal. You know, kind of like the lies "PJ gets paid by IBM to write about
SCO" or "PJ doesn't exist". These are lies that various try to use to shoot
the messenger and create legal risk.

In general, you are encouraged not to listen to whatever arbitrary Diggers
say because some of them are affiliated with companies and I haven't the
capacity to squash the lies, let alone keep track of them.

In the past year, Microsoft has been regularly caught paying people to spit
out such anti-Linux messages. In case you have not realised, they are also
in Digg and the UNIX/Linux section is unsurprisingly losing attraction.
Some people stalk and others patrol and complete their round where they mod
all my comments down and maybe burying submissions.

Microsoft has been employing people to do what they call 'marketing' or
'evangelism' (nice words for "astroturfing) at Digg in attempt to defeat
honest voices. This includes personal attack and slander.

Does this affect the minds of peers? Well, lies that has been spread about
me in Digg have not helped. Some suspicious characters have been in Digg
for well over a year usually defending Microsoft and that drive away people
who considered them shill.

Digg seems to be another lost case where a community site loses control to
corporations. Once in a while (although it's rare) people will add a
disclaimer to say that they work for the company cited. It's rare. Either
way, Digg has become like a battleground for companies and it can no longer
be trusted. Just see examples of Microsoft astroturfing from the past year
( [url]http://boycottnovell.com/2007/11/23/astroturfing-m[/url] ... ) . Time to wake
up. If Digg does not take action against this, consider going to other Web
site where behaviour is policed.

And so forth.......

Roy Schestowitz is a whiner, and a baby on top of it.
If he doesn't like the heat, he should get out of the fire.

On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:06:37 -0400, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
[color=blue]
> On Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:49:29 +0000, Roy Schestowitz wrote:
>[color=green][color=darkred]
>>> Don't like people playing by the same rules as you do? You do the same
>>> thing, or at least the articles links you post do the same thing.[/color]
>>
>> This is a newsgroup focusing on Linux advocacy. The Windows advocacy NGs are
>> there --->
>>
>> The Linux-bashing NGs don't even exist.
>>
>> :-)[/color]
>
> I see, so pointing out how your "linux advocacy" (of which the majority is
> anti-ms rhetoric) is untrue is considered offtopic.
>
> You and Karl Rove have a lot in common. You can't stand to be held
> accountable for what you say. That's the sign of a morally corrupt
> individual.[/color]

Roy wants to cherry pick and doesn't wish to be held to any standards.
He's the boss.

I think making him a fresher fluffer and putting him in charge of Fresher
Week at University of Manchester has gone to his head.

"Roy Schestowitz" <newsgroups@schestowitz.com> wrote in message
news:1654339.ggjjChrzNO@schestowitz.com...[color=blue][color=green][color=darkred]
>>>[/color]
>> Don't like people playing by the same rules as you do? You do the same
>> thing, or at least the articles links you post do the same thing.[/color]
>
> This is a newsgroup focusing on Linux advocacy. The Windows advocacy NGs
> are
> there --->
>
> The Linux-bashing NGs don't even exist.
>
> :-)
>[/color]
More accurately, the Windows advocacy newsgroups do not really exist. There
is no need to advocate Windows, Windows is the far and away market leader
and known to one and all who can decide for themselves if they want to
purchase a Windows computer or not. Linux, on the other hand, is still,
after almost 20 years of ineffective "advocacy" is still obscure. The Linux
advocate's message is generally a strident form of unintelligible insults
directed at Windows users along with some arrogantly phrased techno-dweeb
jargon involving issues that no one really cares about.