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I think if these women imagine that personal testimony will change antis minds, they’re mistaken. Ultimately, the anti abortioners do not care about women’s lives or welfare and nothing will persuade them that short of dying, women are in any way relevant.

I don’t agree with that. There are people out there whose minds are not firmly in either camp. Dunno if they are many or few, but they are undecided. And from speaking in passing to some people who were working at that exhibition in NCAD a while back, events like this can make people think differently. There’s a lot of, eh, passionate people on both sides of the argument. Sometimes quiet and personal and real stories can bring a different perspective.

If there’s one thing learned from Brexit and Trump it’s that you can rail and rail against the people who will never change their minds all you want, but you’re much better off making sure the people who do agree with you get out and vote.

I asked when it is OK and not OK to have an abortion. And you wanted Mods to delete that? Very strange. I’m a big fan of this site. It’s one of only a handful of Orish sites where you can have proper discussions.

Antichoice had an American abortionist speak for women who regretted their abortions. They don’t trust these women to speak for themselves… Can’t say I blame them really. These hypocrites want to deny others something they chose to do themselves.

Leaving the small number of cases where rape / abnormalities exist, what are yer thoughts on when it’s not OK to kill a fetus? It’s there a time frame? Over 10-12 weeks? Same for when it becomes a baby after 4-6 months etc. I am in neither camp as I don’t know enough. But I do know that it’s killing a being, as undeveloped as it may be at the time.

Thanks brother. Again, I’m not in either camp. Can I have your thoughts on when it is and when it’s not OK to kill ‘it’. And what is’it’ from day one to week 12. Let’s use my lack of intelligence as a reason for and against abortion. You’ll see what I did there.

Google won’t tell me what you think or why you think it. Or how you came to think it. Same for what the above posters. I’m not baiting anyone. I don’t know the answer to the question. And it’s one of the core questions of the debate/vote/topic.

One of the main things about being pro-choice bdoons is that one must never think about or talk about abortion directly. Only in vague terms. Some pro-choice people will barely acknowledge that anything happens as a result of an abortion.

Mind my business? So for anyone you think is not in favor of Abortion, you say mind your own business. But if they are clearly for abortion, then it’s their business? stage way to look a it. I’ve said this a few times now here. I’m am not in either camp, as I don’t know enough yet to have a well informed opinion.

I’m not against abortion and I’m not for abortion. I’m for people having the right to make their own decisions – and that extends to whether you want to buy a TV license (or not), listen to Coldplay (or not), slice your own mickey in half (or not), urinate in your fireplace (or not) and on and on.

I oppose the church or the state telling me what anyone can or can’t do.

Never seen anyone on the site so agenda-less since….oh what was his name….
the Bishop…. not Tutu….. and then his later egos Milo ….. justin….ya know the ones that make ALL THE SAME conversation and spelling mistakes..

I don’t think time limits are particularly helpful. Generally, the vast majority of abortions happen within the first 12 weeks, which most people appear to consider acceptable. Late term abortion tend to be situations where there’s a foetal abnormality. The pregnancy has to get to a certain point before it can be diagnosed. The next largest group are perimenopausal women who assumed they were no longer able to get pregnant.

If you were to imagine women were normal, rational people, how would you think about their choices? Would you say that if you were pregnant, would you simply wake up one morning at 30 weeks and decide to have an abortion on a whim? Probably not. If you didn’t want to be pregnant, it’s likely that you’d need to deal with it as quickly and early as possible.

I get ya. But what is deemed ‘acceptable’ may not be. There has to be a line here and I’d love to know when that is during the 12 weeks – being the majority of cases. Before the heart starts. Before the brain and eyes start to develop – IE the first 6 weeks or after. I’m genuinely asking this as it’s a valid place to start – at the beginning. And I’m not calling anyone a murderer. I want for and against to tell me the OK and not OK times.

The beginning is the start of the it. Best place to start. It’s also the place that eventually leads one back to when having a conversation about this topic. I don’t have an agenda. I want people on both sides to say which the think it is and why.

6 weeks is a very very narrow time scale, and, imo, much too restrictive. 12 weeks is generally considered acceptable because this is the time frame in which the pregnancy is least stable – ie when the highest number of miscarriages occur.

Unless you religiously watch for your period, or it comes on the same date every month, or are actively trying to conceive a child, the chances of realising you are pregnant and having an abortion within that time are slim.

So to legislate or quantify it for such a narrow time period would be a waste of time and money – again. Just as the Protection of Life During Pregnancy Act failed to protect because it was too narrow in it’s parameters, and could be seen as a wasted opportunity.

I agree and fully understand. It is a very narrow time frame. 12 weeks gives the mother a lot more time. But miscarriages or everything that happens from say week 5-6 up to 12 is irrelevant to the vast majority of fetus’ that make it past that stage. What happens in a few years when tech gets much better and a woman knows they’re pregnant much sooner? Do we have another vote?

Most women don’t know they are pregnant until they hit roughly the 4 week mark. It’s unusual to know earlier than that. Think about why that might be.

Your suggestion just doesn’t make sense. How much earlier do you think women ought to know? Our bodies send a fantastic monthly reminder, and trust me, when it doesn’t show, a woman will take notice. So how could technology possibly advance in such a way as to tell women earlier? A pregnancy test is not something we do for sh”ts and giggles, and we only take them when we suspect that our period is late. Do you see the point I’m attempting to make?

Your counter argument is, frankly, senseless, when you take all of that into account. Unless we go completely mad 50 years down the line and have obligatory pregnancy tests for women.

I don’t think we should ever rule out another vote on the issue. Every generation deserves a voice, and not just on this matter.

Yes, that makes sense. 4 weeks. And two extra. So you’d agree that a ‘most women’ would know between 4 and 6 weeks. Let’s even say 8 weeks. So do you think its OK to have an abortion from from 8 weeks onwards ? Is there a cut off point?