But consider a 23 year old male who’s got nothin’: probably got all his net worth in his guns and his motorscooter. I’ll bet there’s no “Gunslinger Liability Policy” out there for that guy, at any price (Gray’s condition A). Hence my curiosity and my question: Does any Calgunner, or anyone else, have such a policy? If so, who is the agent, and what is the annual premium? I’ll include Gray’s condition B as an additional question: How many current CCW licensees comply with the insurance requirement? I’d like to know the demographics of that group! Security and guard businesses, PI's?

Well, the rule of equal protection states that if you don't require it of one, you can't require it at all. Give you an example:

I had a conversation with another licensing authority which also (up until our conversation) required liability insurance. The guy had only been in the job a year so he had only dealt with renewal applicants (and presumably people who supposedly had liability insurance already). He had no idea if any of the applicants had liability insurance because they were generally renewed with the same good cause each time. He had never dealt with new applicants in his year of tenure, so he wasn't aware of a lot of the problems and reasons why people refuse to apply to his employer, until I gave them the full detail.

It was elucidating to him to say the least, and did make the difference. However, in the case of Alameda, they probably know full well that their policy is unlawful, whereas this particular person did not know that.

Yeah, the only custom policy I know of is here. It's great, and I intend to get it when I get my CCW whether or not I have an umbrella policy too, but unfortunately it's not $1 mil.

OTOH, if someone contacted the broker, I'll bet Lloyd's would be willing to up the total to $1 million (for a higher price, of course).

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I am quite confident that the LIPR (liability insurance policy requirement) will be dropped soon, but the big thing I'm concerned about is Psych testing. If this is the same Psych testing that I had to go through when trying out for a Dispatcher position, it's quite brutal and then you get "interrogated" by the shrink later. Not a pleasant experience at all whatsoever... Brandon, Gray, others have anything to add on that note? And this is a requirement of other counties. The Psych testing is part of the process indicated on the CCW Flowchart, and indicates that it's either required of all applicants, or not required of all applicants, which tells me that it's Agency specific.

I wonder if anyone realizes that even with a "few" CCWs granted in this county, they are mostly, if not all, "connected" people.

I know one of those holding a CCW in Alameda county. Strangely he lives in Contra Costa, but chooses to do some "consulting" for a SWAT team in the county. He does NOTHING relating to firearms, so he has less actual firearms knowledge than I do (I know, he was a former partner of mine).

He has the CCW, and brags about if frequently, because he somehow got a mean-nothing consulting job with a local SWAT team. These types of CCWs inflate the already ludicrously low CCW numbers in this county.

Please volunteer too. There's a thread floating out with the volunteer links with the name, zip code, and so on...

-Gray

I put my info in, but never received any sort of response. What does CGF need from voliunteers.

I can't get any significant financial donation past "the committee" (wife). My local hospital's takeover of my former practice has put us into a very deep financial hole. Only a few "discretionary" items are being allowed.

I wonder if anyone realizes that even with a "few" CCWs granted in this county, they are mostly, if not all, "connected" people.

I know one of those holding a CCW in Alameda county. Strangely he lives in Contra Costa, but chooses to do some "consulting" for a SWAT team in the county. He does NOTHING relating to firearms, so he has less actual firearms knowledge than I do (I know, he was a former partner of mine).

He has the CCW, and brags about if frequently, because he somehow got a mean-nothing consulting job with a local SWAT team. These types of CCWs inflate the already ludicrously low CCW numbers in this county.

I suspect that if these are taken out, there may be ZERO in Alameda?

Unless the AC Sheriff renews his permit every 90 days or he is a Judge/Peace Officer then this permit was issued illegally.

I wonder if anyone realizes that even with a "few" CCWs granted in this county, they are mostly, if not all, "connected" people.

I know one of those holding a CCW in Alameda county. Strangely he lives in Contra Costa, but chooses to do some "consulting" for a SWAT team in the county. He does NOTHING relating to firearms, so he has less actual firearms knowledge than I do (I know, he was a former partner of mine).

He has the CCW, and brags about if frequently, because he somehow got a mean-nothing consulting job with a local SWAT team. These types of CCWs inflate the already ludicrously low CCW numbers in this county.

I suspect that if these are taken out, there may be ZERO in Alameda?

Unless he is a resident of Alameda county the only CCW they can issue to him is a 90 day permit and that is only good while in the county. It also requires his work be in Alameda county (though if he's consulting with SWAT, I suppose that is covered.) Additionally that 90 day permit must be paid for as a renewal every 90 days. I think it would be most helpful if you would PM or email the particulars to Brandon or Gray, it would make for a most interesting PRA, at the very least we'll know what name and information to look for when going through the large PRA dump that will eventually be forthcoming.

Unless he is a resident of Alameda county the only CCW they can issue to him is a 90 day permit and that is only good while in the county. It also requires his work be in Alameda county (though if he's consulting with SWAT, I suppose that is covered.) Additionally that 90 day permit must be paid for as a renewal every 90 days. I think it would be most helpful if you would PM or email the particulars to Brandon or Gray, it would make for a most interesting PRA, at the very least we'll know what name and information to look for when going through the large PRA dump that will eventually be forthcoming.

As long as we're on that topic, what about the fairly sizable ensemble of volunteers authorized by the sheriff to engage in activities, presumably on his behalf? Even by current standards the sheriff of Alameda County lists a very sizable group of individuals who may be presumed to submit to his authority, whether sworn peace officers or not. I'm referring, of course, to the folks listed under the purview of:

Setting aside the sworn deputies under his supervision, and a relatively small navy, the sheriff also has a search and rescue force with canine augmentation:

A dive team/"Navy SEALS" organization:

An Air Force of sorts:

A Reserve Deputies program:

And, of course, a Sheriff's Posse, in case all else fails and someone needs to be cut off at the pass:

Given the patterns of association that have developed in the departments of other county sheriffs, it would be remarkable if the individuals in these volunteer groups are not heavily represented among the sheriff's campaign contributors and recipients of his CCW permits. I don't quarrel with the claim that most of these volunteers perform valuable services in the county: nevertheless, it would be interesting to see which of them hold CCW permits, and of those, who among them are in fact residents of Alameda County.

Given the patterns of association that have developed in the departments of other county sheriffs, it would be remarkable if the individuals in these volunteer groups are not heavily represented among the sheriff's campaign contributors and recipients of his CCW permits. I don't quarrel with the claim that most of these volunteers perform valuable services in the county: nevertheless, it would be interesting to see which of them hold CCW permits, and of those, who among them are in fact residents of Alameda County.

. . . and what are their "Good Causes" for issuance.

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Hmm. I didn't realize it until Kid came along w/a different interpretation, but your statement is ambiguous. I read it in the context of my entire post that you quoted, and read your statement to mean that there could be CGF movement on Alameda Co this year.

Kid read your statement in context of the part of my post you highlighted in red and came to the conclusion you thought there still was time before the end of the year for Oakland to raise its ranking as a violent city.

Which did you mean?

FWIW the linked article has a link to a .pdf of the rankings and it says the rankings are based upon FBI 2009 stats.

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Hmm. I didn't realize it until Kid came along w/a different interpretation, but your statement is ambiguous. I read it in the context of my entire post that you quoted, and read your statement to mean that there could be CGF movement on Alameda Co this year.

Kid read your statement in context of the part of my post you highlighted in red and came to the conclusion you thought there still was time before the end of the year for Oakland to raise its ranking as a violent city.

Which did you mean?

FWIW the linked article has a link to a .pdf of the rankings and it says the rankings are based upon FBI 2009 stats.

I should have been more clear, I was referring to the fact that there is still time for Oakland to jump ahead in the violent crime rankings.

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This is what I've been waiting for. Nothing against Sonoma or Solano, but this is when we start turning over the rocks and seeing abuses of discretion in the major urban Bay Area counties.

My eyes are spinning from skimming thru those .pdfs, but one thing stands out: business people who sometimes have to go into bad parts of town at odd hours. Q: How has Plummer/Ahern treated law-abiding citizens who live in those same bad parts of town? Do they get issued CCWs?

Now is when the entrenched "powers-that-be" start getting upset. This is when being able to carry a means of defending yourself & yours goes from being a privilege of the well-heeled and well-connected to a right in this state.

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Indeed! Ben Henslin is one of the guys consistently up at 2am helping other gun owners in all sorts of creative ways. His hard work pays major dividends for the community and we're damned lucky he's on our side.

-Brandon

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I saw one statement that says something like " Sheriff Plummer I met and spoke with you at a Barbeque and you said if I could still qualify at the range I could get my CCW k thx " and used that as his GC... corruption. Oh and it also looks like the Chief Assistant District Attorney ... is a CCW holder. Don't know why you guys didn't censor his role but it's pretty interesting info.

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I want Blood for Oil. Heck I want Blood for Oil over hand wringing sentiment!

As a school teacher, Notary Public and eligible for bar membership, and retired stock broker I have been printed and run through DOJ countless times. Plus combat wounded Veteran. I have passed numerous reviews for good moral character.

I would gladly volunteer to be part of the process for CCW application in Alameda.