I keep reading that "the church" doesn't support a homosexual lifestyle, but while that is a large portion of the "religious people" it is not everyone. There are churches where being homosexual is accepted.
scroll down to the chart:

I keep reading that "the church" doesn't support a homosexual lifestyle, but while that is a large portion of the "religious people" it is not everyone. There are churches where being homosexual is accepted.
scroll down to the chart:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homosexuality

Thing is - anyone religious will quote the Bible, and show how god said it is wrong - and that those "churches" sin in the eyes of the lord.

Your first statement is arrogant and incorrect. This nation was founded under the idea of religious freedom (including the choice of no religion). You will not find anything that mentions Jesus Christ in any of the originating documents and I don't think you will find anything that mentions God. The founding fathers refered to "Natures Law" when refering to a higher power when penning the originating documents. Also, proof of the Bible being used as a textbook in early classrooms or it didn't happen. Note: pulling "facts" from a uber Christian bullshit site doesn't coun't.

Your statement is the incorrect one. You will need to brush up on your history about how this country was formed. Look up original documents from our founding fathers. Personal writings from our founding fathers tell a completely different story. You will need to show proof about NOT using the bible as school text books. Did you know that our founding fathers were actually in the business of printing bibles.
You can find proof in the library of congress which is the same place uber Christian bs site gets it's info from.

"The Christian right is trying to rewrite the history of the United States as part of its campaign to force its religion on others. They try to depict the founding fathers as pious Christians who wanted the United States to be a Christian nation, with laws that favored Christians and Christianity.

This is patently untrue. The early presidents and patriots were generally Deists or Unitarians, believing in some form of impersonal Providence but rejecting the divinity of Jesus and the absurdities of the Old and New testaments."

Regardless of whether you believe the nation was founded by Christians, etc., it was certainly founded upon FREEDOM. No one can argue that, nor should they. Why would anyone want to deny another American the freedom to live their lives as they see fit? Everyone is entitled to their own values and beliefs, just don't let those spill over into other peoples' lives.

"The Christian right is trying to rewrite the history of the United States as part of its campaign to force its religion on others. They try to depict the founding fathers as pious Christians who wanted the United States to be a Christian nation, with laws that favored Christians and Christianity.

This is patently untrue. The early presidents and patriots were generally Deists or Unitarians, believing in some form of impersonal Providence but rejecting the divinity of Jesus and the absurdities of the Old and New testaments."

Regardless of whether you believe the nation was founded by Christians, etc., it was certainly founded upon FREEDOM. No one can argue that, nor should they. Why would anyone want to deny another American the freedom to live their lives as they see fit? Everyone is entitled to their own values and beliefs, just don't let those spill over into other peoples' lives.

I do not see where Christians are attempting to rewrite history nor force religious beliefs on anybody. By keeping people informed of our history is not rewriting, but omitting history from school text books is rewriting history and the left is guilty of doing just that.
As for sharing the word of God with others is not forcing anybody to convert people. You have the ability to turn off the radio, TV or put your fingers in your ears and that is your choice and that is the freedom you talk about.

God talks to me personally almost daily. He has told me that most of the Bible contains allegorys but is not really the direct word of God. He said he had some major issues with the monks where transcribing the Bible getting their information mixed up. He also said that during the Dark Ages, the people running the Catholic church were more in love with the power of control than God. He told me that things really got wacky with the Bible when they translated it from Latin to other languages.

God has told me that he just wants everybody to get along. I asked him about gays and gay marriage and he said he could care less who marries who as long as they love each other and are good people at heart.

Confused by what God was telling me and what the Bible says, I asked God about the many contradictions in the Bible. God says the Bible is that way because corrupt men who only valued power and control were telling people certain things about God so they could maintain control. These lies were written down and eventually considered fact. God said almost all of the information in the Bible is corrupt this way.

Finally, I asked God about people who take all the information in the Bible as Fact. He said man has developed the scientific method of verifying information and man should use this tool to find out the truth.

So there ya go, God's original intentions. Before you write this off as bullshit, I'll just say I bet you can't prove God didn't say this to me.

As for sharing the word of God with others is not forcing anybody to convert people. You have the ability to turn off the radio, TV or put your fingers in your ears and that is your choice and that is the freedom you talk about.

Just as you have the ability to look the other way should you see a gay couple (gasp!). By taking a stance that prohibits people from living their own lives the way they want, you are forcing your beliefs upon them.

According to Christians it is God who says it is wrong to have same sex attractions.

Not everyone is a Christian.

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Is having a different opinion judging?

It is when your opinion is based on religion and you are using that religion to try to tell others how to live. If your religion says homosexuality and gay marriage is wrong, then do not partake in those behaviors. But leave everyone else alone. By telling anyone else they are doing it wrong, you are by definition passing judgement.

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If so why do you judge me for having a different opinion.

Because your opinion is based on religious text and not everyone subscribes to your religion.

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It's not judging. You must be having feelings of conviction and guilt and the only way you can feel ok with yourself is to blame the Christians for your sin.

It is judging....

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noun \ˈjəj-mənt\
Definition of JUDGMENT
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a : a formal utterance of an authoritative opinion b : an opinion so pronounced
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a : a formal decision given by a court b (1) : an obligation (as a debt) created by the decree of a court (2) : a certificate evidencing such a decree
3
a capitalized : the final judging of humankind by God b : a divine sentence or decision; specifically : a calamity held to be sent by God
4
a : the process of forming an opinion or evaluation by discerning and comparing b : an opinion or estimate so formed
5
a : the capacity for judging : discernment b : the exercise of this capacity
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: a proposition stating something believed or asserted
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Conviction, yes. I want everyone to be able to live as they see fit within the confines of the rights granted to them by the Constitution.

Guilt, only for not standing up more for those oppressed by the religious fanatics here in America. Go practice your religion and live your life as you see fit and stay out of anyone elses business that has not expressed an interest in your opinion.

Sin. No one died for my sins. Yet you again seem to want to judge me based on the confines of what your religion considers sin.

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Nobody is persecuting anybody. If having a different opinion is persecution then you need to see what happens to gay people in the muslim world.

But you are. We broke from religious tyranny because everyone's life and how they lived it was dictated by the church. Now the religious fanatics here in America seem to want to dictate all morality from the bible and attempt to legislate that morality.

Dont agree with gay marriage? Dont marry someone of the same sex. But leave anyone else that choose differently alone.

Dont agree with abortion or birth control? Then dont have one and dont use it. But leave anyone else that chooses differently alone.

Stop lobbying the Government with money, bribes and votes to legislate your version of morality.

God talks to me personally almost daily. He has told me that most of the Bible contains allegorys but is not really the direct word of God. He said he had some major issues with the monks where transcribing the Bible getting their information mixed up. He also said that during the Dark Ages, the people running the Catholic church were more in love with the power of control than God. He told me that things really got wacky with the Bible when they translated it from Latin to other languages.

God has told me that he just wants everybody to get along. I asked him about gays and gay marriage and he said he could care less who marries who as long as they love each other and are good people at heart.

Confused by what God was telling me and what the Bible says, I asked God about the many contradictions in the Bible. God says the Bible is that way because corrupt men who only valued power and control were telling people certain things about God so they could maintain control. These lies were written down and eventually considered fact. God said almost all of the information in the Bible is corrupt this way.

Finally, I asked God about people who take all the information in the Bible as Fact. He said man has developed the scientific method of verifying information and man should use this tool to find out the truth.

So there ya go, God's original intentions. Before you write this off as bullshit, I'll just say I bet you can't prove God didn't say this to me.

Satan comes as an angel of light. You better test the spirit you are getting it from. Just saying.

Just as you have the ability to look the other way should you see a gay couple (gasp!). By taking a stance that prohibits people from living their own lives the way they want, you are forcing your beliefs upon them.

Sure it is, he's a "Christian" hypocrite who preaches about how "sinful" others are, but in doing so misses his own "transgressions".

Oh yeah, you're right. Maybe we should pick a random book to live our lives by and try to get others to conform to what it says, and when they don't, we'll throw quotes from this book at them as if they mean anything.

I just don't really get why this is such a big deal. Its two people, that apparently love each other, want to commit to each other, typically live nice quiet, tidy lives. Then we have massive divorce rates, spousal abuse, child abuse, on top of all of the other fucked up things in this world.

I just don't see how two gay people is a big concern and the big hot bed of controversy when the rest of this world is beyond fucked in almost every single aspect.

I just don't really get why this is such a big deal. Its two people, that apparently love each other, want to commit to each other, typically live nice quiet, tidy lives. Then we have massive divorce rates, spousal abuse, child abuse, on top of all of the other fucked up things in this world.

I just don't see how two gay people is a big concern and the big hot bed of controversy when the rest of this world is beyond fucked in almost every single aspect.

Perplexing issue, isn't it?

You'd think the Christians would worry about the Catholic priests messing with alter boys, not worrying about what adults are doing in their private lives.