LSU’s Glenn Dorsey got bad “advice” and Corey Redding news

I’ve begun to hear the same story from multiple sources and it is always sounds the same. LSU defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey not only got bad advice to stay at LSU and out of the draft, but LSU’s coaches did everything they could to help keep him there as well.

I spoke recently with one person close to the situation at LSU:

“Glenn messed up. He was a top 10 pick – especially with how weak the tackle position is in this year’s draft. What some of the coaches at LSU did to him wasn’t right. His injury (shin) wasn’t going to hurt his stock, but they got to him about it and convinced him otherwise. They shouldn’t be messing with a kid’s career like that when they know that he is going to be a high draft pick. It’s not like Laron (Landry) who went back to school and then improved his draft grade. Dorsey should be in the draft this year.”

My take: If he were in this year’s draft, I don’t think he would have gotten past the Texans at #8. Scouts were telling me about this kid before the season even started as he is the prototype “3 technique” that teams are looking for. He has great quickness off the snap and a very good motor for a defensive tackle. He’s extremely disruptive and comes from a winning program.

I understand that college coaching requires a bit of salesmanship because of the recruiting side of things. Many times coaches will tell players what they want to hear in order to lure them to their school. However, when coaches are dealing with NFL prospects who figured to be drafted early in the draft, the coach owes it to the player to look out for the player’s best interest and not his own (the coach’s). From what I’m hearing from more than one source, the Tigers looked out for their own best interest and not in the best interest of Glenn Dorsey.

• • •

Former Longhorn and current Detroit Lion Corey Redding is in a tough spot. Sources close to Redding are saying that he likes head coach Rod Marinelli and Marinelli likes him, but he’s more than a little concerned about the direction of the team. Redding played his best football this year as a DT rather than DE and now the Lions might decide to try and hang onto Redding by slapping a franchise tag on him.

While DEs have a higher franchise tag value, the Lions might try and slap him with the tag for a DT. If you receive my newsletter, you may remember that which position Corey would be best at was a discussion we had back before he was drafted.

There have been a few Texans fans who have asked me if Redding would be a good fit for the Texans and my answer has always been no because I’ve been thinking of him in terms of a DE and he’s more of a power end than a speed end and I feel like they are missing a speed end right now. However, as a DT, I think he has more value because of his quickness at that position. The only problem is that you have to have a big time DT next to him (like Shaun Rogers) because Redding isn’t really big enough to hold up against the run.

Miles, from what I hear, is a pretty idiotic and selfish coach. He has promised some receruits things that he never intends on following through on, and now Dorsey. Hopefully Dorsey will dominate to where he is a top five pick next year, for sure. For now, he better have some insurance in case he gets hurt next year.

Sorry…LSU grad here so I am a total homer…but this doesn’t jive with what i have heard.

Dorsey has a shin injury that would have kept him from running for anybody that wanted to see him. Because of this there is a grand likelyhood that he would have dropped while the draft approached. See Lendale White. Anyways LSU is loaded at DT and would not have gone to that much trouble to convince him to stay….Jamarcus they might have but not Glenn.

“Kept him from running…” ? Come on now. You are comparing a DT to a RB. Everyone has already seen the tape on Dorsey. They know how quick he is. Everybody already knew about the shin and it isn’t a major injury. Lendale’s stock was hurt because he was overweight and never got into shape. If you think LSU didn’t (or wouldn’t) try and convince Dorsey to stay because they are loaded at DT, then you are a homer. You are talking about one of the best DTs in the nation.

Here’s a novel idea- you’re a respectable journalist with a major newspaper, why don’t you get it straight from Glen Dorsey himself? I’m sure you could even request to speak with the LSU coaching staff about it as well.

Then again, that might require that you actually have to do some ground work as opposed to flinging crap against the wall to see if anything sticks.

Who said I didn’t speak to someone on the coaching staff? Who said I didn’t speak to an LSU player? Don’t be mad. The info I have is rock-solid from someone within. End of story.

Sorry, I ain’t a buying it. Anybody, and everybody that disagrees with you gets shot down. YOU are the only one who KNOWS what’s in Dorsey’s head…when did you do a mind meld with him? Boy, this is typical “find something bad” to say, no matter what, no matter how trivial, how idiotic, just fill the page with something controversial.

Don’t get mad. I’m just passing along the info. It’s solid info and NFL teams will all tell you that Dorsey was no worse than a top 12 guy and more than likely he was top 8. It’s that simple. I’m not shooting anyone down, but my info is from WAY inside on this one.

I go on Texas boards and see Miles portrayed as selfish and conniving. I go on Louisiana boards and read about how honest and forthcoming he is. Not just from homers, but from parents of recruits (see Sidell Corley). I don’t know who the real Les Miles is, but it seems perception is 9/10s of reality whenever anything like this is discussed. I doubt if Miles is fundamentally different from Mack Brown or Bob Stoops, or any other successful recruiter who gets stuck in a dilemma such as this, but I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt about his intentions in this matter until I hear something from Dorsey himself. It might be next year before we hear anything from him about this situation.

Your source isn’t close enough to the situation. I won’t air out Glenn’s personal business on a blog, but he had one big reason to keep him at LSU. Ask your source what serious “thing” he had in his life this year that he didn’t have last year, and that is your real answer.

Glenn DID want another year of college life close to something, and it was a decision he made on his own. I’m sure Glen would be willing to let you know whats up if you asked him personally.

Or you can believe your “source” that apparently does not know Glenn at all personally. Regardless, I can GUARANTEE that Glenn will not be blaming LSU coaches for staying another year any time soon.

Bro, while I respect your opinion. It is a fact that Dorsey’s mom had made him promise to stay four years and get a degree. This was discussed at length LAST year when he was a sophomore. While the shin deal was played up as a factor, it was never the overriding factor. YOu can make up your “I talked to someone close to the situation at LSU,” which is media speak for I pulled this out of my a$$. However, you know not of which you speak.

Funny how this tidbit of information hasn’t been reported or even rumored by any reputable publication in the entire state of Louisiana but Lance from Houston has a “source close to the situation” who for all we know could be Glenn Dorsey’s mailman, pizza delivery guy or sit next to him in PSYCH 101. When did the Houston Chronicle become the National Enquirer? At least they know how to embed a link in an article w/out their readers pointing it out to them in the comments section. Go back to journalism school (assuming you ever went in the first place), learn to use a computer or both.

Go do some homework and find out about my connections. LOL. I know coaches from Saban and Miles’ staff, my bro coached Jarvis Jones who is an LSU commit, I have LSU on my show every week during the season (as I did with Saban) and I was the one who told Miles that I heard from multiple coaches that Saban was going behind LSU’s back and recruiting LSU commits this year and I’m good friend with Alonzo Highsmith whose nephew is a starting LB. I have many more contacts than that. Like I said before, the info I got was not from some slappy and I don’t think LSU was forthright with Dorsey in terms of where he would have been drafted. It is in the Tiger fans best interest that he came back though so you should be happy, not sad.

You shold look over at Texas where only 1 junior(Vince Young) has left Mack Brown early. They have had many 1st round picks return for their senior seasons, i.e. Ricky Williams, Cedric Benson, Roy Williams, etc. Dorsey’s decision was based upon a severe leg injury which would hamper his combine rating. You should become more informed instead of penning such an inaccurate piece.

I know exactly what his injury was and I’ve been told it wouldn’t have had an impact on his draft status by people who do it for a living. I never commented on any other LSU player or that there is some type of institutional problem at LSU so I’m not sure about this issue is about. Mack has his own issues over there at Texas. I’m not Mack’s boy. Wrong fight to pick.

Lance, where did you attend college? Bama? Texas? A&M? OU? I am smelling sour grapes and a feeble attempt to run down LSU’s coach and program. You are offering opinion based on hearsay. Pathetic. Quote your credible sources sif legit. Unfortunately, journalist today get away with saying stuff like this without properly crediting the source.

Run down the program? LOL. I’m just passing along the info I got. I’m as high on LSU prospects as anybody out there. Go do some research. I know everybody in the SEC thinks that somebody has an axe to grind, but I don’t. I just know people at LSU who aren’t happy with how the Dorsey situation went down no matter how it benefits them. My favorite team is whoever, I’ve got in my parlay and LSU was one of them for much of the year.

Dorsey is a 3rd year guy, and having watched him, in my judgement he has alot of improving that can be done with one more year; additionally, as a person and student (and athlete) the fourth year is really important for overall development. He had access to outside information, and chose to stay.

If you seek stories of the self-serving, go check Mack Brown’s record with his seniors. Allegedly, he does it with a straight face too.

Dorsey is a grown man and made his own decision. Why don’t you ask Dorsey about why he came back instead of relying on your “sources” who likely have an agenda to stir things up? If you are even remotely familiar with the draft process, it doesn’t take much to affect your position–especially in the first round. If he turned in a poor 40 time, it doesn’t take much to slide and lose out on millions. This is an absolutely moronic article.

LOL. Yeah, a poor 40 time. What don’t you understand about the concept of film study? Teams know all about Dorsey’s quickness. They don’t need a 40 time from a DT to determine how quick a guy is off the snap. I thought Dorsey’s decision was a good one to go back to school. Go back and read my entry right around the time of the Shrine Game. However, after a chance conversation with someone close to the situation, I found some new info out. Regardless, LSU still has the best talent in college football hands down.

I have a two-prong strategy question concerning the Texans. Considering the teams we have in our division it could be a rough ride trying to make the playoffs. Here is my question:

Do you think the Texans want to win now (next year or two) or are they thinking in terms of letting some teams downgrade in talent, dump some of the their bad contracts (some of them are around until 2009), and pick-up talent for the long haul?

This could make a difference on team philosophy and drafting!

teamburns

If you are an NFL team who has five straight losing seasons, there is only one way you can be thinking…. win now. Now “winning now” is a relative term. To me, it means that the Texans strive for a .500 record with almost every loss being competitive as opposed to some of the blowouts we saw last year. The Texans (and Gary Kubiak) can’t afford to plot some master strategy that involves winning in 2009. They have to win as many as possible this next year and then find ways in free agency and the draft to make themselves even better in 2008.

Wow…LSU fans are a tad bit sensitive, no? It’s laughable that suddenly there so many posters who know the ‘real’ reason as to why Dorsey stayed. What, are you all related to him or something?

If you’re going to blast Lance for writing such an apparently ‘moronic’ article, how about all of you disclose your relationship to Dorsey or your sources of info? I just want to know how exactly all of you became such Dorsey-experts.

Lance, a few weeks ago you wrote on here a certain former pro bowler was interested in the signing with the Texans, and I missed you telling us who you were talking about.

Sorry your having to put up with these jackhole LSU fans. I’ve listened to your show for five -6 years now, and youve never seemed like a blow hard, or a guy who throws something out there to see if it sticks. I ve always respected your opinion, keep up the good work.

JLR

The former Pro Bowler was Michael Lewis from the Eagles and I had a Q&A interview with his agent that appeared in one of my blogs. I appreciate the comments. I’m not a muckraker, but sometimes I find out info that some people don’t like. That’s just how it is. I’m not badmouthing LSU, I just found out some info this week that I decided to pass along, that’s all. I hope Dorsey has a great season and he’s drafted in the top 5 next year. Plenty of scouts thought Laron Landry was foolish for passing up the draft last year and he helped himself out so maybe Dorsey will too. We’ll see.

Great job as allways. LSU blinders are on tight on this one.All you idiots should know that if you are a first round lock let alone a top 15 lock,you declare as fast as you can. Buy momma new house and car and she will forget all about that degree she allways wanted you to have…

Sounds like some defensive Tiger fans. Relax a little. All that was said was one player got bad advice on his draft status. Not that big of a deal.

Been checking on Fox Sports, SI, and such. Seems that the overwhelming theme is DL and RB with some combination of our first two picks. Thoughts??? (That is except Yahoo who has us taking Quinn. Shoot me.)

Lance, you did have Saban on your show when he was a coach at LSU and Miles appears on the show now. I listen everyday and I recall that Saban didn’t know your name and Miles doesn’t even acknowledge you. To make a statement as such, I consider it as lame and poor journalism. I have listened to your rants with my brother…my daddy. Stop hiding behind your daddy and your big head brother and man up. Do your job and talk to someone other than sources in my daddy and my brother. It is hard to believe that Jarvis Jones, a high school recruit in Houston, Texas, knows everything on the situation regarding Dorsey. I don’t think so…

Shaun, you are exactly right. It’s amazing that everyone of Glenn Dorsey’s cousins reads this blog. Maybe I missed something but I don’t remember when Lance put down Glenn Dorsey or LSU. I heard nothing but compliments for both and personally I thought it was very strange that Dorsey decided to stay an extra year. I was hoping that he might be available for the Texans. Thanks for putting up with this bloggers Lance. Maybe someday some of these people will display the manners that I’m sure their parents taught them.

You say you aren’t badmouthing LSU on the one hand but on the other you flat out blame the LSU staff for Dorsey staying in school. I know I know you “heard” . . . . well if all you did was just “hear” from someone that wasn’t Glen Dorsey then why not say that it would’ve been a good idea for him to come out this year and leave it at that instead of guessing based on heresay that he was manipulated by the LSU staff into doing so? So based on third probably fourth hand information you decided to write an article that says LSU coaches don’t have the players best interest at heart . . . . but you’re not badmouthing LSU.

That’s right. I got the info about what happened and I used THEIR QUOTES. In my opinion, based on what I’ve been told by someone inside, I don’t like how it went down. The rest is just you guys crying about it because none of it has anything to do with the school or the program. I just think that coaches always have to be looking out for the player’s best interest when it comes to a kid being a high, NFL pick. Somehow college football fans consider this “badmouthing”. I love the passion of college football fans because no other sport can match it but it also features the most hypersensitive group of people on the planet. Some of you are acting like I said your moms are streetwalkers or something. LOL. Glad to have you guys aboard the blog though.

You said “Tigers looked out for their own best interest and not in the best interest of Glenn Dorsey. I’m not badmouthing LSU”

******

IMO this is a non story , but you like dicky justice like to stir ****. You think they keep the players chained in a basement or something. Dorsey certainly could have entered this draft…I would say he chose not to. He’s a grown man that stands to make millions, and will when he goes, in the Pros. Funny, if the LSU staff is so bad, how did they manage to convince a pretty good class this year to come to Baton Rouge.

Nobody said the LSU staff is bad. Quit crying. I said I didn’t agree with how this went down after I heard the details from somebody within the LSU program. Welcome to the blog. Justice says hi!

I guess that says it all. Mission accomplished. Tell ya what next week why don’t you accuse the UT staff of some benign recruiting violation that ought to keep the BLOG traffic going. And I know you like to use quotes from sources so here ya go . . .

“The UT coaching staff stinks”. You can build an article around that right?

BTW since you’re such good buddies with Les why couldn’t you break off a phone call to the head man for his thoughts on the situation?

Baton Rouge, LA (Sports Network) – LSU defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey has decided to return to school for his senior season. “LSU is a great place and I feel like coming back to school for one more season is the best decision for me,” Dorsey said in a release. “I still enjoy being in college and playing college football.

“I feel good about my decision. I sought out advice from other players and my coaches. I’m just looking forward to getting ready for next season and being a leader on this team.”

*****

Guess he did what he wanted.

“I feel good about my decision. I sought out advice from other players and my coaches.”

Great stuff as always. When NFL scouts talk about RB’s are they ever concerned about how many “miles” they have on them when they hit the NFL? For instance, between Midland Lee and UT, Cedric Benson had a lot of miles on his body before he ever put on a Bears uniform.

While A. Peterson had a lot of carries at Palestine, because of minor injuries he hasn’t had as many carries at OU as a typical 3 year starting RB.

I was wondering if there is concern over the Earl Campbell (and maybe soon Larry Johnson) Syndrome. Thanks.

Very good question. The answer to the question is yes – teams do concern themselves with the wear and tear a player has accumulated. Take a look at the draft when Ricky Williams was taken behind Edgerrin James for that very concern. Obviously the Bears weren’t too worried about Benson’s mileage and many teams only care about getting a good 7 years from a back anyway so they aren’t going to worry about how many college carries a back had. I think the amount of carries a back has is secondary to their running style. A guy who tries to take on every tackler is going to have a shorter career as opposed to a guy who gets plenty of carries but who doesn’t take a bunch of kill shots each game.

After reading this blog I almost want to take back every bad thing I’ve ever said about UT fans. Almost.

Tigers are pretty rabid – almost unhinged. Personally, I could care less about the situation but I do agree with the people opining that Dorsey is a grown man & can do what he wants. Also, I loathe the “unnamed source” that is so common in the media. However, I believe your assessment because I don’t think you’d have a reason to make it up.

Joe, come on… To compare Lance to RJ is borderline slanderous. Lance is competent, RJ is a circus act.

I know people get all upset when writers don’t say exactly who their source is, but if you give up the person’s name, then that person will not give you the info. Can you imagine how this person would get hassled by LSU fans? If a guy asks to remain anonymous, you have to honor that.

While I am sure that Dorsey’s mother would like him to get a degree and I am sure all you Tiger fans “close to the program” know he wanted to stay another year but logic suggest otherwise. If a guy is a top ten pick in a sport like football he has to go in the draft. The kid that stays in the exception and not the rule. I side with Lance on this one. The only logical reason for him to stay is he got some bad advice. I do not know who he got it from but he clearly got some bad advice.

Baton Rouge, LA (Sports Network) – LSU defensive tackle Glenn Dorsey has decided to return to school for his senior season. “LSU is a great place and I feel like coming back to school for one more season is the best decision for me,” Dorsey said in a release. “I still enjoy being in college and playing college football.

“I feel good about my decision. I sought out advice from other players and my coaches. I’m just looking forward to getting ready for next season and being a leader on this team.”

*****

Guess he did what he wanted.

“I feel good about my decision. I sought out advice from other players and my coaches.”

How much of an impact would adrian peterson have right away if the texans drafted him? Or do you think it would take time for him to be productive in the texans offense? I like the idea of Plummer and peterson joining the texans, but our division is so hard that the only way the texans would make the playoffs would most likely be a wildcard spot. Have you heard of david carrs house being up on the market? If not he better get it on the market because he is long gone!!

Adrian Peterson would step right in and be the favorite to be offensive rookie of the year in my opinion. I don’t think it would take him much time. OU runs some zone stuff so I don’t see the jump to the NFL taking too long for him.

wow, what an unbelievable reaction from all these jokers. completely unwarranted attacks on your credibility from each one of them. i’m sure youre used to it though, everyone in broadcasting has to know how to take a little emotionally charged criticism, regardless of how baseless it is.

hey LSU fans, if yall happen to have the supposed REAL info, how about you tell us who YOUR sources are, if theyre sooo reliable?

message boards, you say? your booster uncle, you say? your brothers friend who has dorsey’s cell number in his phone (i swear), you say? get real.

this stuff makes me wish we hadnt told yall about the internet when you moved here from louisiana.

You mean a college student staying to get a four year degree is making a mistake?

Degrees are for earning potential. His earning potential was very high this year. He could have taken courses and finished his degree during the offseason if that is what he wanted. If he gets hurt next year, his earning potential goes down significantly. That’s what I mean. I do, however, like when college football fans use the degree argument as if the players studies are the most important thing to the fan and not their performance on the field.

I think its pretty obvious from the comments on the page and your responses that you gave zero consideration to what Glen Dorsey wanted to do. If you want to say he made a bad decision that’s fine but you act as if he went into Les’ office one day, asked if he’d be a first rounder, Les said no, Glen said okay and scheduled a press conference to say he was staying at LSU.

Glen by his own words sought advice from the NFL advisory committee, his parents, teammates, God, and yes his coaches. Based on the information he received from ALL sources he made a decision and for reasons known only to Glen (especially since you didn’t bother to ask him–journalist) he decided to stay at LSU. The swipe you took at the LSU coaching staff was unwarranted and you shouldn’t be surprised at the backlash.

It seems to me that you are not giving Glen Dorsey a fair shake here. So Peyton Manning and Matt Leinart can pass up the opportunity of being the First overall pick to return to college ball and their decisions are lauded as “good for the college game” and everyone extols the virtues of “enjoying the college atmosphere”. Yet, when Glen Dorsey does this, he “messed up”, “got bad advice” and must have been coerced into making a “bad decicision”. Give the guy soome credit will you? Or do you not think that a high profile black athelete can come to an intelligent decision on his own, without being duped by the chicanery of his selfish collegiate coaches?

PS: I seem to have spotted an inconsistency: At one point you reference your sources as people within the LSU program that you are close to. You later make reference to this “chance conversation”. I rarely have chance conversations with those I am close to and any “chance conversations” I have with people I don’t know, I put little stock in. So you really don’t “know” your source. It’s basically a “friend of a friend and so on…” situation. Yet, as a professional journalist, you chose to run with it! Maybe, you could take a sabatical and enroll in LSU’s Manship School of Journalism – it’s one of the best in the nation. You might learn a thing or two!

It wasn’t really a chance conversation as much as it was a conversation with the intent of getting draft info on some LSU players and some other SEC players. And yes… I “know” my source. LOL. What the hell are you even talking about now? You’re turning into Kevin Kline’s character from “A Fish Called Wanda”. I’m fine with a player going back to school. I’m not fine with anyone giving a player incorrect info in order to help keep them at school. I thought I made that clear, Otto.

No, Hank…. pretty much the same thing I’ve said all along. I spoke with somebody, they gave me some info, I pass it along. LSU fans freak out for no reason. Pretty textbook stuff, really. Done responding. Thanks for visiting the blog and I hope you’ll stick around for the draft info.

No I don’t think Glenn Dorsey even would have been a top 20 pick in the 2007 NFL Draft. He only weighs 288 pounds. If he can put on about 10 pounds of muscle and have a great senior season he could be a top 10 pick next year. So I think he made a good decision by staying in school.

Great show every morning. As always good info and nice to hear a little Lamar Mustang info every once in a while. I grew up just outside Rosenberg but always get a kick out of hearing the news out the twin city metroplex of Richmond/Rosenberg.

These LSU fans seem over sensitive to me. I have been a little amazed of how well Miles has done at LSU. I had heard some weird stories out of Stillwater a few years ago after UT came back and won that game where they were down by 28 at half. Miles apparently had been talking to LSU and the players knew he was going to leave. There was a big blow up in the locker room at half time of that game and the team came out flat and got rolled.

Anyway, what is the consensus of Miles’ peers in regards to his coacing ability?

Given Miles’ recent Orgeron-esque tirade at a booster meeting (his comments re: Alabama), I wouldn’t be surprised by this latest info re: Dorsey. Also, has anyone here seen or heard from The One, National Sales Manager? If so, please tell him to come home and SIW.

Why are you making a big deal about this young man graduating? I feel we should be embracing him making a mature decision, but people are criticizing him. I have several relatives that have played in the NFL and NBA, and have some who are at the college level. From what I have seen getting a degree is a very wise thing to do. So will you all be mature and not criticise a man for making a decision for himself.

no one has criticized dorsey for staying…lance is saying that the coaches more than likely gave him some advice that would benefit them more than him…LSU fans are ridiculous quit crying you havent been insulted yet