Someone so adept at putting words in others mouths would (perhaps) find it confusing when others speak.

So I understand how you might not get it.

I get "it" fine Beezzer. I read you time after time (like in your very last post) tell people what they believe, misappropriate their very clear
words with those that suit your agenda, and outright misrepresent the truth.

There's nothing confusing about you; you're clear as crystal.

Why do you embrace murder?

Why are you in favor of State mandated slavery?

Answer to your question: I have not ever had an abortion. I would not ever have an abortion. I have never encouraged anyone to have an abortion.
Again, you're misrepresenting the truth.

Someone so adept at putting words in others mouths would (perhaps) find it confusing when others speak.

So I understand how you might not get it.

I get "it" fine Beezzer. I read you time after time (like in your very last post) tell people what they believe, misappropriate their very clear
words with those that suit your agenda, and outright misrepresent the truth.

There's nothing confusing about you; you're clear as crystal.

Why do you embrace murder?

Why are you in favor of State mandated slavery?

Answer to your question: I have not ever had an abortion. I would not ever have an abortion. I have never encouraged anyone to have an abortion.
Again, you're misrepresenting the truth.

You're the one who endorses slavery. Where you, the mother, whomever, gets to dictate the life or death of another individual.

So, the 97% of Planned Parenthood's work for women's health and reproductive health in general you just want to throw away?

How are you going to provide care for the 4.5 MILLION people that PP helps a year?

How is that anyone's responsibility but their own?

You butted into a comment made to another member. Apparently, you're having trouble understanding that. If PP went away (as the other member wishes)
how do we provide the additonal 4.5 MILLION cases a year that PP serves?

Your response was the typical absurdity "why is that my responsibility?" ... to which the answer is of course, it isn't. It's our responsibility as a
people, as a society, as a nation.

I quipped back in the same way you quipped at me ... but you don't like your own medicine, I see.

I remember a thread a week or two back in which you made a statement to the effect that if we let the government's foot in the door on the 2nd
amendment, they will take even more. Slippery slope...etc.

Would you agree that the same premise could apply to this issue?

If we let the government dictate what medical procedures we can have, do we not run the risk of letting them in the door to dictate even more?

Remember, we're pro-freedom. How does that fit in to all this as well?

It is a moral dilemma. That is why I believe the circumstances in which a person becomes pregnant and any choice to abort should be up to the people
involved and medical professionals.

No one's version of morality will coincide with the next.

As far as my position, I am indifferent. Honestly, I couldn't care less.

I believe in freedom and this is just one area where we have to suck it up and let people be free to make their own choices.

Personally, I think they should stipulate for 2nd timers and beyond, because at that point I do believe it shows a lack of morals and a lack of
respect for humanity.

I think of successful artists, musicians, entrepreneurs, etc that have the stories that they came up from the gutter, or were adopted or were raised
in foster care - and then succeeded; or were raised in a terrible environment, or dirt poor, etc - but they succeeded.

All of them succeeded because they were given a chance.

I don't like when pro-choice people use poverty as a reason to abort, it's classism. I was raised in poverty. I loved my childhood!

There are certain aspects of the debate I think are worth considering, but since people have already chosen sides they will not even look.

Look at the neighborhoods they put the clinics in.
Look at the color of the people in those neighborhoods.
Look at how many black babies are aborted as opposed to allowed to live.

The reality is deeper than most people care to look. It always has to be a red vs. blue then go from there.

Someone so adept at putting words in others mouths would (perhaps) find it confusing when others speak.

So I understand how you might not get it.

I get "it" fine Beezzer. I read you time after time (like in your very last post) tell people what they believe, misappropriate their very clear
words with those that suit your agenda, and outright misrepresent the truth.

There's nothing confusing about you; you're clear as crystal.

Why do you embrace murder?

Why are you in favor of State mandated slavery?

Answer to your question: I have not ever had an abortion. I would not ever have an abortion. I have never encouraged anyone to have an abortion.
Again, you're misrepresenting the truth.

You're the one who endorses slavery. Where you, the mother, whomever, gets to dictate the life or death of another individual.

You should wear the confederate flag, sir, to your next abortion!

Nope. I am always in favor of a woman's choice. That is the antithesis of the State-mandated slavery you and others here champion.

Sometimes you're just blatantly ridiculous. Why don't you wear one to the next "justified murder" in case of a rape or incest?

originally posted by: Gryphon66
I dare each of you who are in favor of the State telling a woman what she must do with her body ...

Wouldn't have much of an argument without reframing the issue so it's no longer about the unborn children, would you? We are not talking about cutting
off a mole here. If a law is passed to ban abortion, that law will not be "telling a woman what she must do with her body." It will be telling Doctors
what they cannot do to a developing fetus.

Is abortion understandable in any circumstance? Particularly when it is the result of rape, or incest, or if pregnancy to term will kill the
pregnant woman, or the fetus suffers horrible genetic or physical deformity ... when is abortion acceptable?

That sack full of red herrings is starting to stink. Almost all abortions are performed on healthy fetuses not conceived through incest.

That's a lot scarier than believing that a fertilized egg/embryo/fetus is not a human being before viability and understanding that it has to be a
woman's choice.

I'm sure feel somehow I fell into your trap, but still I am not bothered by your antics.

You call it an egg/embryo/fetus when it is actually a human. Your rationality of dehumanizing it is on you, not me. I see it as a human, and if the
child is going to be born with a compromised brain due to incest or the seed of a monster, I am able to say I see need for consideration to terminate.
I believe this shows I have true compassion as a human.

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