To everyone who joined these forums at some point, and got discouraged by the negativity and left after a while (or even got literally scared off): I'm sorry.

I wasn't good enough at encouraging people to be kinder, and removing people who refuse to be kind. Encouraging people is hard, and removing people creates conflict, and I hate conflict... so that's why I wasn't better at it.

I was a very, very sensitive teen. The atmosphere of this forum as it is now, if it had existed in 1996, would probably have upset me far more than it would have helped.

I can handle quite a lot of negativity and even abuse now, but that isn't the point. I want to help people. I want to help the people who need it the most, and I want to help people like the 1996 version of me.

I'm still figuring out the best way to do that, but as it is now, these forums are doing more harm than good, and I can't keep running them.

Thank you to the few people who have tried to understand my point of view so far. I really, really appreciate you guys. You are beautiful people.

Everyone else: If after everything I've said so far, you still don't understand my motivations, I think it's unlikely that you will. We're just too different. Maybe someday in the future it might make sense, but until then, there's no point in arguing about it. I don't have the time or the energy for arguing anymore. I will focus my time and energy on people who support me, and those who need help.

-SoulRiser

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I had never given much thought to making school non-compulsary. I'm not sure why... I had just never imagined it as a possibility. But I'm really beginning to see merit in it now that I think about it.

But I have a question to propose about that. I know it may not be as common thinking here, but in other places, some kids really desperately want to attend school but have parents who won't allow them for many reasons. Do you think these kids should be allowed to attend school, or the govenmnet should intervene in a special circumstance like this? Or this is all up to those parents?

First off, school cannot be compulsory. If we have to choose a system that's broken, no matter what, then there's going to be no way we can change it. People tend to vote with their feet if they don't like a particular restaurant, but if that's the only one around, that restaurant is going to be able to do whatever it wants, and people won't be able to a damned thing about it. (Excluding not going of course, for the sake of the analogy.) That's the starting point for a legal revolution, but, of course, it's probably not going to be that easy. In fact, school becoming non-compulsory will probably be one of the last things to happen.

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My biggest concern is homework. As long as we get rid of that AND the dumbass teachers I'm good. I mean why can't we just learn using computers? We could go to the building "school" and be taught induvidually by computers in different classrooms.

Someone dear to me once said "We are the light." But, if that's true, then why am I still searching?

Thade Wrote:My biggest concern is homework. As long as we get rid of that AND the dumbass teachers I'm good. I mean why can't we just learn using computers? We could go to the building "school" and be taught induvidually by computers in different classrooms.

flea77 Wrote:But I have a question to propose about that. I know it may not be as common thinking here, but in other places, some kids really desperately want to attend school but have parents who won't allow them for many reasons. Do you think these kids should be allowed to attend school, or the govenmnet should intervene in a special circumstance like this? Or this is all up to those parents?

Just a question

Talking about parents is a touchy subject. I think kids who want to go to school should definitely be allowed to. The problem is when they want out of school, they have to be able to get out. I really like memento's idea about school turning into a huge library sorta thing.

If school was just a huge government-funded library with as much resources as kids need to learn anything they wan't I would go every day, happily. If we could just roam around and sign out books that we wan't and use computers whenever we wan't and do whatever we wan't it would be great. It could also offer technical school type places. Like places were people learn how to work in there professions e.g: Auto-shops and things of that sort. It could also have class's but not mandatory ones. Classes you can sign up for but don't have to go to. And you don't have to go if you don't wan't to. And maybe have teachers for popular subjects.

That would be the best educational facility I can think of. And nothing would be mandatory.

I say, completely erase K12 save for a few non-mandatory educational centers for people in less advanced places so they can learn to read, and spend the billions saved on something more useful, like a better and less corrupted medical care, environment protection, or help in worldwide emergencies like the recent Haiti mess.

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I agree with school being a library. My dad was being an idiot by saying "Well, what if they want to just study art, then they wont know how to read."

But yea, imagine getting up, at around twelve, even though it opens at around six, riding your bike to this building, walking in, and you suddenly feel like walking to the history room. There are atlases, maps, textbooks (without retarded questions in the back) and computers. You feel like learning about Galileo today. You don't have to do any work, but you do get an endless amount of resources.
Freaking beautiful.

Well going off the library with it not being mandatory, It wouldn't work.
If you just have random people roaming around a library/school type thing it would cause problems.
Sorry there are retarded people everywhere and that many children in one area not getting in fights... I'm all for the idea, But this not the way to go or needs revision.
First of all what teacher would want to teach a class where children are coming in and out and in and out and you never see them again unless they come back for the next lesson You can never really teach anything because new kids will join everyday and you can't continue on the same subject as before as children returning will want to continue. The new ones will not because they will be lost. I say you would have to sign up for the class.. it would be a mess without. For gifted children there would be higher level classes really you could choose anything as it was said. But also what about failing and going on to collage with all of this you would have to have some kind of grading system or something! Just a profile where all your work is kept? But
yea you cannot just make classes that are not mandatory and you can go one day and skip another one if you don't feel like it you would never get anything done and its really not efficient. Also this would cost a lot of money and idiot people would break equipment on purpose even if they were not being forced to. It would overall just become a "hangout" place for everyone and no real learning could be done unless you were serious about having an education. I don't know... correct me if i'm wrong and give me an actual answer not "YOU BE A DUMBAZZ"

You are indeed wrong. The troublemakers would stay away from such places, and hang out somewhere else - after all, they wouldn't be forced to go anywhere. For the signup... no, everyone can learn on their own if they aren't coerced into shutting up like they are now.

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TrueAnarchist Wrote:and to think, i could be yiffing a hot vixen right about now

CrayolaColours Wrote:He just admitted today that he spent two hours...errr... shaking hands with the Bishop afterwards.

The Desert Fox Wrote:I thought when I downloaded it it was already emulated.

zagix Wrote:I'm stuck to the fagarena because I'm a fag

CrayolaColours Wrote:Woman up, will you? Grow a damn pussy and get over yourselves.

Pockets Wrote:Well going off the library with it not being mandatory, It wouldn't work.
If you just have random people roaming around a library/school type thing it would cause
problems. Sorry there are retarded people everywhere and that many children in one area not getting in fights... I'm all for the idea, But this not the way to go or needs revision.

You could put security guards if you wanted. Unlike school they wouldn't be there to arrest kids for breaking rules they would be there to make sure no one gets harassed and no one gets in fights on the premise and no one steals things or breaks things.

Pockets Wrote:First of all what teacher would want to teach a class where children are coming in and out and in and out and you never see them again unless they come back for the next lesson You can never really teach anything because new kids will join everyday and you can't continue on the same subject as before as children returning will want to continue. The new ones will not because they will be lost. I say you would have to sign up for the class.. it would be a mess without.

You could just have lecture type classes were teachers cover one short topic per lecture. Besides, giving out work is just a way of proving the students know about the subject which doesn't exactly help learning only proves the person learned it. And if the student wants to learn it and didn't he/she can just read up on it on a computer or in the library... If a teacher wants to have a class and students want to as well you could have sign ups for them and students who hate it would be allowed to drop it and students who like it could stay in. Students who want to join but are late will be able to sit in on the classes anyway and try to learn what they missed on there own. Overall I think tests and quizzes and things are unnecessary to actually learning.

Pockets Wrote:For gifted children there would be higher level classes really you could choose anything as it was said. But also what about failing and going on to collage with all of this you would have to have some kind of grading system or something! Just a profile where all your work is kept? But yea you cannot just make classes that are not mandatory and you can go one day and skip another one if you don't feel like it you would never get anything done and its really not efficient.

Personally I think employers should be responsible for hiring people who are good at there jobs not just people who have good grades. College seems like a waste to me. If I can learn to do everything I need on my own why do I need college to tell me I'm good at it? Employers should be able to test potential workers. Or maybe workers could set up a good presentation of there work and the employers could figure out weather the person is good enough for the job. Once schools are gone companies would have to find alternative ways of determining the skills of workers.

Pockets Wrote:Also this would cost a lot of money and idiot people would break equipment on purpose even if they were not being forced to. It would overall just become a "hangout" place for everyone and no real learning could be done unless you were serious about having an education. I don't know... correct me if I'm wrong and give me an actual answer not "YOU BE A DUMBAZZ"

There is an actual answer for you

And again, security guards. Also, it would solve the whole. STUDENTZ WOULDNT KNOW HOW TO SOCIALIZE WITHOUT SKEWL!!!1!!1! issue. What's wrong with a hangout? It would keep kids off the "streets" like so many of the adults think school does today. Without school students would probably have a natural desire to learn about the world around them. I do even to this day with school. Before going into the school system I always asked questions, and I'm sure everyone else did to. (maybe).

Ceiling Cat Wrote:You are indeed wrong. The troublemakers would stay away from such places, and hang out somewhere else - after all, they wouldn't be forced to go anywhere. For the signup... no, everyone can learn on their own if they aren't coerced into shutting up like they are now.

We might be able to change the school system but there is no way that we won't have to have some type of schooling and for parents that force there kids to go.. Also what about arts and music. You cannot learn how to draw with no teacher.. also there are all kinds of different ways of learning some don't learn well by the book or computer screen!

Absentinsomniac Wrote:You could put security guards if you wanted. Unlike school they wouldn't be there to arrest kids for breaking rules they would be there to make sure no one gets harassed and no one gets in fights on the premise and no one steals things or breaks things.

I think there could be other ways of handling security seems to jail type to me :S but yea good Idea!

Pockets Wrote:We might be able to change the school system but there is no way that we won't have to have some type of schooling and for parents that force there kids to go.. Also what about arts and music. You cannot learn how to draw with no teacher.. also there are all kinds of different ways of learning some don't learn well by the book or computer screen!

This library idea IS a school system. Also, some of the most famous painters and musicians taught themselves how to play and paint. Also, you can always find instructors and people willing to teach you. You can have classes for painting and look up how to in books and on the net... School has only been around for a certain amount of time, people before this taught themselves everything they needed to learn.

I say, burn all for-profit, stupid textbooks with no point besides being sold to schools. Yes, that means all of the crap we are using now, and replace it with books on the subject that actually contain something else than flashy Google Image results, and some text copypasted from the previous version.

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TrueAnarchist Wrote:and to think, i could be yiffing a hot vixen right about now

CrayolaColours Wrote:He just admitted today that he spent two hours...errr... shaking hands with the Bishop afterwards.

The Desert Fox Wrote:I thought when I downloaded it it was already emulated.

zagix Wrote:I'm stuck to the fagarena because I'm a fag

CrayolaColours Wrote:Woman up, will you? Grow a damn pussy and get over yourselves.

Ceiling Cat Wrote:I say, burn all for-profit, stupid textbooks with no point besides being sold to schools. Yes, that means all of the crap we are using now, and replace it with books on the subject that actually contain something else than flashy Google Image results, and some text copypasted from the previous version.

That reminds me. My school blocked google images. I was like "Mr.Nueman!! Google Images is blocked!!!!!!" His response: "Oh, yeah, I know."

Someone dear to me once said "We are the light." But, if that's true, then why am I still searching?