Ted Stevens Numbers Slide After Conviction

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The Ted Stevens/Mark Begich Senate race in Alaska was a toss-up before the jury came back with the verdict of guilty on all seven felony counts for failure to disclose gifts and services totaling more than $250,000.

And, despite the amped up, frenzied Stevens supporters who crowded into an airplane hangar for Stevens’ Welcome Home rally last night, the scale has started to tip decidedly for Democratic challenger Mark Begich. It’s a toss-up no more. It isn’t over yet, but Uncle Ted’s chances are looking pretty slim.

Only 74% of Republicans say they will vote for the nominee of their party while 21% of GOP voters will cast their ballot for Begich, the mayor of Anchorage.

Fifty-two percent (52%) of Alaska voters say Stevens should resign while 39% disagree. Republican leaders including John McCain, his running mate Sarah Palin, the current governor of Alaska, and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell have all called upon Stevens to step down.

Stevens is now viewed favorably by 43% of Alaska voters, down from 54% before the trial began. Still, even after the guilty verdict, 52% of voters say Stevens is about as ethical as most politicians. Fifteen percent (15%) say Stevens is more ethical than most of his peers while 31% say he is less ethical. These reactions say as much about perceptions of politicians as they do about Stevens.

This must explain why 51% of Alaska voters say that Sarah Palin is more ethical than most politicians.

Palin earns good or excellent reviews as governor from 61% of voters in her home state, virtually unchanged from polling last month. Eighty-five percent (85%) of Republicans and 59% of unaffiliated voters give Palin positive marks.

Overall, just 22% rate her job performance as poor, a figure that includes 44% of Democrats.

If this makes you want to bang your head on the desk….stop. Remember that Sarah Palin’s approval rating was hovering around 90% at one point. So, step back, and think of how it would look on a graph. Time on the X-axis, and favorability ratings on the Y-axis. After the third time I banged my head on the desk, a vision of this graph popped in to my mind, and I stopped. Once the fun of having a local politician on the national stage is over, and she gets back home, the numbers will continue to slide. Stay tuned.

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Grammy aka Commando Coalfire Palin(12:03:01) :

Got this in an email, not sure if it’s legit

PBS has an online poll posted asking if Sarah Palin is qualified. Apparently the right wing knew about this in advance and are flooding the voting with YES votes.
The poll will be reported on PBS and picked up by mainstream media. It can influence undecided voters in swing states.

2) Then send this to every single Obama-Biden voter
you know, and urge them to vote and pass it on.

The last thing we need is PBS saying their viewers
think Sarah Palin is qualified.

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BigPete(12:04:02) :

Been a long time since I rock’n’roll….#2?

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WV Democrat(12:06:06) :

Online polls are not scientific and the PBS poll isn’t credible. I did vote but the poll is not indicative of anything.

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Goalie Sanka Palin in NM(12:06:46) :

AKM you are really making my day!

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mhrt oregon"steve"(12:08:44) :

alaska is turning bluer….GO alaska

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Grammy aka Commando Coalfire Palin(12:09:01) :

WV Dem

I voted, too, but I think I’ve seen something like this before and it wasn’t of any real import.

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caligrl Hussein wolves eat Palin(12:09:58) :

I’m pretty sure the only reason people in Alaska like her is the energy rebate…hehe….hey isn’t that spreading the wealth around? Rather socialist, Huh Saracuda???
I think a lot of Alaskans are going to be looking at a more critical eye on their elected officials. Asking themselves “we deserve better” 8)

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Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh(12:10:28) :

under 10?

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JBDC(12:10:34) :

The PBS poll has been around forever. It is useless b/c people can vote endlessly.

Bye bye, uncle ted.
HELLO new senator!

voting for a convicted fellon should be hard for ANYONE to swallow.

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BigPete(12:11:03) :

Wouldn’t it be a riot if Begich won and ended up being Dem Senator #60.

I find it so hard to believe that so many people in this country can think so highly of Sarah??? Since the convention, I have not talked to one person who likes her. Do we really have that many blind people in this country.

(seems like the thread has a mind of it’s own)

Keep up the good work AKM!

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JaneDoe(12:19:39) :

@Grammy etc.

PBS poll is old info. Wouldn’t worry about it.

For up to date polling info this is a good one to keep handy: It has everything from state to state, daily graphs etc etc. Take a look.

WTF?
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McCain Faults Newspaper Over Tape
By BETH FOUHY, AP
posted: 50 MINUTES :BOWLING GREEN, Ohio (Oct. 30) – Republicans John McCain and Sarah Palin accused the Los Angeles Times on Wednesday of protecting Barack Obama by withholding a videotape of the Democrat attending a 2003 party for a Palestinian-American professor and critic of Israel.

Richard Wolfe of Newsweek said Wednesday night that Obama’s senior aides are “intrigued” by the polls that show Arizona as a dead heat. The campaign, he says, is now “seriously examining a late surge” in McCain’s home state,

“That may include ramping up TV advertising, on-the-ground staff or even deploying the candidate to stop there. Obama is scheduled to make a Western swing late this week, making an Arizona visit possible.”

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juneaugirl(12:22:30) :

Go Begich! I wonder what will happen after the debate tonight. Anyone from AK think it will change any numbers? Hopefully Begich’s numbers will keep going up. My vote’s in. I’m not taking any chances on not making it to the polls.

The palin numbers make me want to bang my head on the desk even if the trend line IS down from August. Flat from September to October? I want to see that line hit about 10 – yesterday. Oh well, I think we’ll get her back and information just has to keep coming out.

AKM – I feel your pain! I live on a road with tons of McCain signs and only 2 Obama signs. My neighbor/hairdresser is STILL on the fence, and my 91 year old grandmother believes all the McCain lies (so do a few other extended relatives). Thankfully my dear hubby who always loved Repubs (still thinks Reagan was great) has had a change of heart. He voted early for Obama and defends him at work always. He said he feels like a “pilgrim in an unholy land” when at work these days. Can’t wait till 11/5. Hope!

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PDX "That One" Hussein MB(12:23:25) :

Speaking of spreading the wealth around… If Alaska is part of the USA (still), shouldn’t we spread the wealth all the way around? I mean, Exxon just had another round of record-breaking profits. I’m sure if the honorable gov thought about it, she could lure in some votes from the rest of the country in 012 w/some by spreading around some of that oil money in the lower 48 (and Hawaii, too)… If it’s good for Alaska, it must be good for the rest of the country. Didn’t she say she was a strong federalist (after she said she was for states’ rights, that is). I’m so confused : / Maybe Joe the Plumber can explain it to me.

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Pacificnwgal(12:25:49) :

With Steven’s conviction whether or not it is appealed (or even if he wins the appeal), you would think that most voters would want a senator to be fully present and attentive to the needs of their constituency. In either case, Stevens will have his hands full attending to his own issues within the next year at least, and not on the people to whom he is serving. He should step down for the sake of his state and people. After, all as Obama says, this isn’t about him, it’s about the people. But, then the people will get what they vote for.. unfortunately.

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Marty (VA) Hussein 12 Point Lead..:)(12:27:29) :

I sit down, and barbielies and she’s spewing her crap. Does she EVER get tired of saying nothing but lies?

She’s still using Joey B’s line. Which Lieberman said a month ago. And her pal, McLoser is also an untested CIC.. Last time I checked, being a coward during a crisis on his ship isn’t a reason to be CIC.

Not long.. They’ll be gone and it’ll be decisive..

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caligrl Hussein wolves eat Palin(12:27:54) :

Saw a friend last night, my DH had said he was “undecided” so I’ve been sending little email to him about grifter spice, well he didn’t say he would vote for Obama, but did say “I will not vot for that…” (c-word)
Says he positively can’t stand her, and he kinda of liked mccain until he picked HER!
Maybe another vote for Obama! 8)

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Marty (VA) Hussein 12 Point Lead..:)(12:30:03) :

cali, tell him to come here and see all the comments.. he’ll learn..!

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mhrt oregon"steve"(12:30:13) :

@Montana Born (12:15:31) :

Grammy,

In the back of my mind I seem to recall reading on this blog several weeks ago that PBS was not going to report the poll or that it wasn’t really legit or something. Any other mudpuppies recall this?
———————————–I remember the same thing

ssssssshhhhhh….i was number 5

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WV Democrat(12:31:10) :

AKM: If Joe Manchin (aka Joe-The-Governor) gave each West Virginian $3200 this year AND guaranteed that the Mountaineers would win the mythical national championship, he would be the most popular governor in the US. Since he didn’t do either of those things (and WVU Isn’t even in the top 25), alas he’s only 5th (done a few months ago with a 73% approval rating) in approval rating on that list and everyone fully expects the Democrat to be re-elected next week back to his Governor’s seat. Think how high approval ratings for all the governors ahead of Joe would have been if they could have all given each and every one of their constituents thousands of dollars? Without handing out that socialistic stipend to her voters, Ms. Palin would have been much lower, methinks.

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Marty (VA) Hussein 12 Point Lead..:)(12:31:43) :

Barbie just mentioned being on the deck of aircraft carriers.. She omits the part about him running and hiding like the little cowardly weasel he really is.

When his plane was on fire, and a bomb exploded, while people were dying, he hightailed it to the pilot’s ready room and watched them die on TV..

Explain how that’s a hero?

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Trini(12:32:27) :

I think that a good name for Bristol’s baby would be: “Gate”
Trooper Gate
Travel Gate
House Gate
etc….
It would be a wonderful response to how her own mother has thrown her under the bus to benefit her own career objectives.

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Marty (VA) Hussein 12 Point Lead..:)(12:35:07) :

Trini, you made me wonder.. Think her older kids go online and see all the comments about how detested mommy dearest is? Or maybe she’s not surprised since kids know their parents far better than the parents ever suspect..

My guess is they can’t wait to be away from her wacko views..

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sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin(12:35:53) :

caligrl: I’m pretty sure the only reason people in Alaska like her is the energy rebate…hehe….hey isn’t that spreading the wealth around? Rather socialist, Huh Saracuda???
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Yep, it is socialist. Sarah Barracuda: the secessionist socialist. Socialista de secessionista.

Richard Wolfe of Newsweek said Wednesday night that Obama’s senior aides are
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i read some where last night that a group of people will be having a anti- mcshame rally in arizona this sat…….sorry wish i had the link

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sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin(12:37:24) :

JBDC (12:10:34) :

voting for a convicted fellon should be hard for ANYONE to swallow.
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hmmmm… ummm… convicted felon, swallow… ummmm… same sentence.

On second thought, not going there.

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Marty (VA) Hussein 12 Point Lead..:)(12:37:46) :

Ok.. theory.. who thinks joe the plumber looks like a neo-nazi? wonder what tats he has under his shirt.

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JaneDoe(12:38:03) :

Sniff…sniff / 12: 33:33

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Goalie Sanka Palin in NM(12:41:03) :

@Marti,

You read that WHOLE Vietnam Vets against McCain, didn’t you? Awesome. McCoward is the poster boy for coward.

One thing that struck me the most about the contributors to that site was the common theme of his cowardice. Giving up the location of when and where his fellow pilots would be flying missions and sending them to their death. I literally got queasy hearing that.

@Marty,
And he ended up leaving his ship and went and had R&R.
And yes from the post yesterday…I paced until Obama came on and cried thru the whole thing…twice…:)

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Bill(12:42:14) :

Without handing out that socialistic stipend to her voters, Ms. Palin would have been much lower, methinks.
While although Palin did push through our energy rebate, much to our relief for having such huge oil and gas prices here in Alaska while the lower 48 now gets a break in their prices I still paid close to $4 for gas this morning. $2068 of the $3200 we recieved has nothing to do with Palin, this other money is our Permanent Dividend Fund. This is money that has been invested and accrued after years of oil royalties. The PFD was established and voted on by the people of Alaska. Please be informed when making statements about this.

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sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin(12:42:22) :

Yeah, Jane… I smell a troll, too.

(in high-itched voice) oh no, it’s meesterh beeellll

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ED(12:42:56) :

Marty (VA)
He was savin’ himself so he could be president.

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Liz_in_Illinois(12:44:33) :

Well – the convictions do matter. Boyfriend in Anchorage (usually votes Republican) voted for Begich because of them. Maybe SP won’t get a crack at that Senate seat!

A mudflatter does a nice job of explaining the oil royalty in the “about” section of my blog.

Still… there’s the part about the extra squeeze this year and the part about how Palin distributed it early. If it’s from investments, then I must say she did a real nice job of getting it out before everything went kapoot. Considering her lack of economics smarts (didn’t she say she got a D in Econ 101?), it sure looks like a miraculous occurrence. Wonder how she knew the market was going to tank, when she learned it and who told her.

And why her source did squat to mitigate the damage to the investments of just about every other person on this planet.

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Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird(12:46:51) :

My name should make the vietnam vets who know smile..

He claims to be a war hero. He’s so far from it. And Obama is just too damn classy to bring it up.

Joey B should be talking about it. Have one of those Forrestal shipmates come on and say he was there and saw McCoward run away and hide then cry to daddy to get him some vaca in the mediterranian..

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sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin(12:47:24) :

wb mega!

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Trini(12:48:20) :

@Marty 12:35:07

It must be such a weird situation for SWWNBN’s kids. I would imagine that they get on the internet or talk to their friends who get on the internet. Ok, maybe not Piper, but the others probably do.

I wonder if what the kids are experiencing is the “Stockholm Syndrome”. I hope they can get away from mommie dearest and find a good publisher. A book written by Bristol is one that I would read. I wonder what the title would be…………………..

I have decided that Palin is the best thing that could have happened to the McLame ticket.

Just imagine if McLame had chosen Romney, or some other credible Repug, even a female, like Olympia Snow. Sure, the GOP base may not have been “enthused,” but we might have had a horserace for moderates of both parties as well as Independents.

I’m having a fight with myself about Palin’s future. On the one hand, I hope she’s held accountable for all of her “gates,” which should end her political aspirations to rule the free world.

However, if she emerges as the leader of the new and improved GOP, imagine how the appeal of the GOP would narrow. The Repugs would truly become the party of the Wacko’s, with no moderates to offer balance, or appeal to other moderates. We could have Democratic rule for years to come! It looks like a win-win.

I went and had a medical procedure done today. I was looking around at all the technology and adding the dollar signs in my head; thanking God that I am fortunate enough to have a job with good health insurance. I agree with Obama, this IS a right!

On another note, did anyone see that national guard troop deployed with the little children clinging to their parents’ legs? Enough already!

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Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird(12:52:25) :

rf, remember.. anyone on the repug ticket can run if they want to.. so even if she ran, she’d have to get thru the primaries and as a presidential candidate, she’d have to learn a whole lotta stuff in 4 years.

Against Mit Romney? With the gloves off? she’d go home in tears..

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rf11 in FL(12:54:22) :

Marty (VA) Hussein 12 Point Lead..:) (12:37:46) :

Ok.. theory.. who thinks joe the plumber looks like a neo-nazi? wonder what tats he has under his shirt.

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Among other awards for the WORST CAMPAIGN IN MODERN HISTORY, I nominate McLame’s campaign as the worst at vetting.

It’s almost inconceivable that they are actually using this clown in their campaign. Of course, so far, every word out of his mouth has been outed as a lie, so he fits in well with McLame’s other star, Palin.

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Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird(12:54:45) :

The repugs just have so much koolaid in their system, it’s not even funny.

They all lie with the straightest faces.. Amazing.

Mark Warner in VA was a great govenor and he’ll make a great senator. he’s also loaded..:) he took VA from huge deficits to a surplus in 5 years.. In Va, they can only run once, or he would have been re-elected in a landslide.

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sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin(12:57:23) :

Spent a good chunk of my day getting folders and door hangers ready for Obama’s GOTV this weekend. If any mudflatters have time on Sat thru and including Tues, please volunteer!! Many people are needed to contact likely Obama voters via phone and the hanging of door items. Plus, if you want to contribute to the effort to thwart voter fraud, it’s not too late to sign up as an Obama campaign poll watcher.

One of the nicest things I got today from the FO’s was a black button with the words “President” and “Palin” separated by The Scream. Tweener already stole it from me so she can take it to her school tomorrow.

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rf11 in FL(12:58:11) :

@ Marty
Mark Warner in VA was a great govenor and he’ll make a great senator. he’s also loaded..:) he took VA from huge deficits to a surplus in 5 years.. In Va, they can only run once, or he would have been re-elected in a landslide.

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I saw Warner speak right before he announced that he wouldn’t be running for President this time. Do you think he will in the future?

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megacephalus(12:58:46) :

…and ‘off’ again…

@ Marty (VA) Hussein 12 Point Lead..:) (12:31:43) :

The cause of the fire was that McCain, ever the ‘hot-shot’ a.h. had a beef with the pilot lined up for the catalult – fully armed – behind him. So, as you all know, when you let air-mixed fuel into an engine and delay, ever-so-slightly, to hit the ‘ignition’ you blast out a fire ball. McC did that as an f.u. to his next in line, set of an armed rocket… and the rest is [well-concealed] history. Killed 150+ ship-mates. BUT as ever the admirals’ son was not court-marshaled…

p.s. this ‘curmudgeon’ is an ex-flyer

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Goalie Sanka Palin in NM(12:59:05) :

@Lock,

Hear, Hear!! I feel that way too. I’ve had two rounds of cancer, one extremely deadly and if it weren’t for the good health care I have, I would not be here OR we would be financially devastated.

For example, outside of surgery, hospital, chemo (which as you know is very expensive) I had 5 shots during treatment, each over 6K a piece. What middle class family could pay for that without mortgaging everything they own and lose it anyway!

And every CHILD should have free well care! It’s the preventative care that we are most lacking in.

Oh, I could go on and on………….

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Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird(13:01:47) :

Lock, well, if you were listening, BarbieLiar said they want to increase the military (means forced draft) and fight, fight, fight, drill, drill, drill, mine, mine, mine and screw who dies, what animals die, and what damage is done to the planet.

So, more kids will end up going to mcloser wars when he pisses off everyone, including our current allies.

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rf11 in FL(13:01:56) :

My 7 and 11 year-old daughters and I waited 3 hours last night to see Obama in Ft. Lauderdale (Sunrise). It was incredible! I am so happy that our children were able to see him!

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Martha Unalaska Yard Sign Toon(13:03:49) :

It all started with one of those anti-Obama emails…

It’s a long story – I started it, but it took on a life of its own as various friends and family across the country (and even Russia) responded to my plea to stop passing around those hateful, racist & untrue emails about Senator Obama. I wanted to post here what I said in the end, to the fearful Republican catholic cousin in Indiana, because it may help some of you respond also to this fear mongering practice. The email that I’m responding to this time is this one:

I forgot to address your question in my previous response – and the answer to your question is YES, I wanted to know who the Obamas really are! I read, and studied, and listened, and watched.

There are many books written by and about Senator Obama. Reading, or even scanning these would answer many of the questions you seem to have. There is no lack of information about Senator Obama, who has been standing out of the crowd for quite some time now. He doesn’t have some weird “secret life” – he has been an incredibly busy politician, husband and father who has been in the limelight for the last few years – first within his state, and now within our nation and the world.

There are also many articles & opinions you can find from conservatives about Senator Obama since you don’t seem to trust any news sources except email. Senator Obama has been advising with top leaders, in areas of major national concern, for quite some time and they know him well. There are Republicans, Democrats, Generals, Governors, Senators, Presidents, and many more in that group, all of who attest to his ability to be an excellent president, and to ask the right questions at the right times.

Now when exactly does he have time (and somehow manages to avoid the paparazzi) for this secret life, this “anti-America” life which all of these emails seem to claim that he has?

I know you’ve voted, so I’m not trying to change anyone’s mind. What NEEDS TO CHANGE is to stop being manipulated by the negative, the nasty, the untrue, and the underhanded. Passing around emails haphazardly & urgently because you don’t like a candidate, but don’t care whether the information itself is close to the mark, is the same as throwing away your vote, your responsibility, your mind and your country. In my opinion, since everyone these days seems to have an idea of what “anti-American” is – this practice falls right into that category. The act of spreading vicious lies intentionally opposes the ideals of peace, reason, opportunity, global conscience, unity and all the rest that we hold dear in this country. It is “anti-American” in my book to hand your power over to the mongers of hate, greed and fear.

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mwTHATONE40yrsAnchorage(13:07:53) :

OT but worthwhile…..not sure if I posted this 2 mo. ago when written. I read it just after Anne Kilkenny’s article, so you know how long ago that was!
Anyway, this Mary Mullen is an old pal of mine, gifted writer, I think, and she has written another lately which I will post when I get permission. Special needs. Warm heart.

rf11 YOU and your kids are LUCKY DUCKS! I would have loved to have been there.

Whenever I hear about that evil, animal killing Palin, I hug my two cats a little closer. They both have glossy, beautiful coats that I don’t want to see around her nasty neck!

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Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird(13:13:51) :

Mega, thats not the story i read.. What was on vietnamvetsagainstmccain.com was a plane perpendicular to him somehow launched a missile and even though it wasn’t armed, it caused his plane to burst into flames. of course, maybe it wasn’t an accident based on how dispised mcliar was.

I kinda like your story better, but there’s no way the Captain could have buried a after-incident report that resulted in deaths and destruction. Too many witnesses on deck during exercises and they’d have no reason to hide the truth when it’s someone really hated as mcloser was back then.

The end of the story was his plane was on fire, one of his bombs lost it’s mooring and exploded and the sailors fighting the fire were killed instantly. While this story says mccoward wasn’t to blame, his departure off the deck during a crisis and watched on TV from the ready room certainly makes him qualified for the yeller-belly award for running away.. Why this story never made it into the American consciousness is beyond me.!

which ever story is true, he’s still a coward.

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mwTHATONE40yrsAnchorage(13:14:30) :

for school kids (teens) and “energetic, motivated people” who will help the Alaska Democratic Party to get out the vote Monday 10-6 and Tuesday 10-8, they are actually paying youth to knock on doors of Dem. supporters to remind them to vote. Perks are free food and $100/day…..cal 279-1900 and ask for Shiran!Hope this is a kosher submission…

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Jamie, Floridian in France(13:14:33) :

Don’t know if anyone cared, but my son told me that Colbert – Republican and very conservative, endorsed Obama on his show last night!

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Goalie Sanka Palin in NM(13:14:40) :

Trini & Marty,

How about, My Mother the Fraud!

Kinda says it all…

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PDX "That One" Hussein MB(13:15:01) :

Martha Unalaska Yard Sign Toon (13:03:49) :

It all started with one of those anti-Obama emails…
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BRILLIANT!!!

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megacephalus(13:17:06) :

My best story of this Obama campaign:

Today I – who live in Berlin – received the following mail from a woman Obamaphile friend in Boston:

” Hi,

Last evening while making calls from an Obama phone bank in Boston, I
discovered that you were next on my list! Your address was listed under
someone else’s name in Wakefield, so dutifully I called and
discovered it was your lawyer’s office and left on the answering machine that I had been a friend for nearly 50 years, had visited you in Berlin 3
years ago, and receive e-mails re the election from you nearly daily.

Amazing, isn’t it?

You may hear from your lawyer about this.

B.”

Full disclosure: there are ‘must have’ requirements for a ‘phone number on some of Obama’s donation sites, and they won’t accept a EU formatted ‘phone number. 😉

The polls are a slight relief. But we have a lot of work left to assure Begich un-seats Stevens and ditto for Berkowitz v Don Young. Fellow Mudpuppies must also work to keep revealing the real Sarah Palin. No doubt her hat is now in the national political scene.

I can’t wait for the day when Alaskans can trust our elected leaders. I look forward to the day when all Americans can come together and look each other in the eyes and know we are on a better path.

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Jamie, Floridian in France(13:22:41) :

@Martha Unalaska Yard Sign Toon (13:03:49) :

Your letter to your cousin was perfect! Congratulations! It is what I have been trying to communicate to a couple of people for a while. Anotherthing I found and forwarded to people is a post on Shannyn Moore’s site (link to the right) called “What If?” You must read it. Basically it calls into question why people believe certain things of Obama that they may not believe about someone else (someone white perhaps?) and equally all those questions – “if this was Michelle Obama instead of Cindy McCain…” or “if this was Obama’s daughter instead of Palin’s…” A must read and forward.

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Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird(13:23:24) :

trini, i have 2 kids (both grown, both voting obama) and gee, when my ex-s water broke, she woke me up (both babies decided to start labor in the middle of the night) and we went to the hosp immediately after calling the doctor.

With David, my younger kid, he was born 4-5 hours later. So, a woman who’s had 4 kids would generally go even faster, so there’s no way in hell she could have given a speech with fluid dripping down her leg, drive an hour to the airport, fly 11 hours then drive a few mor hours to go to a tiny, under-equipped hosp to have a special needs baby delivered by a GP who’s not a trained OB-GYN..

On the flip side, if you’re Barbie, who can shoot and make mooseburgers in the field, grill them and bake rolls all in the snow, she can do anything.. clearly, she didn’t need no special docs to deliver a DS baby..

Although, my guess is Bristol did, although she probably had the kid in Canada or Russia..!

I would never have guessed Colbert to be a Republican the way he mocks them on his show–but they’ve given all the comedians a great deal of fodder!

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Lulu(13:37:01) :

Jamie, Floridian in France (13:14:33) wrote:
“Don’t know if anyone cared, but my son told me that Colbert – Republican and very conservative, endorsed Obama on his show last night!”

Hi, Jamie. Actually, it was brilliant what Colbert did. In real life, Stephen Colbert is a Demo, but he parodies O’Reilly Factor nightly on his Comedy Central show. And he “endorsed” Obama, but said he would still be voting for McCain. And he ended “The Word” section by saying, McCain should endorse Obama, too, so that McCain’s numbers would go up!🙂

**McCain is a Dispicable Human being. They know Obama will not counter attack with McCain’s anti-semite Pastor Problems.

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knikgoose HUSSEIN!! justaskin(13:38:34) :

Regarding Palin’s 60+% popularity in Alaska :
I think we may see a perverse version of the famed “Bradley effect”, yet.
Palin did not wake up one morning in Sept. ’08 and suddenly start lying, cheating, dictating, bullying and obfuscating. This is who she is, and who she has been for some time.
I would imagine that a number of her former supporters have realized that they’ve been duped, and will vote accordingly.
Also, the popularity poll did not involve rural and native voters to the extent that it should have to make the poll a true cross-section.
Certainly she has her base of fundamentalist Christians, but I truly think that she’s in for a big surprise come the election.
In addition, I can’t help but think that while many Alaskans are breathing a sigh of relief as the sneaky tyrant has been exposed, so, too, may her older children be feeling some release from her oppressive clench on their lives as the obviously domineering witch becomes more ‘transparent’ whether she likes it or not.
Once it is discovered who built that house, and where the money came, Alaskans will see she is no better than the people she accused of corruption before her, in order to get them out of her way.
Palin chose to jump into the boat, and now is ticked that she’s not allowed to steer it. Tough.

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suchanut(13:41:59) :

@MJC (13:37:55) :

It’s OK. The Obama campaign has been expecting this and they will know just what to do.

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Lulu(13:42:02) :

MJC wrote: “**McCain is a Dispicable Human being. They know Obama will not counter attack with McCain’s anti-semite Pastor Problems.”

MJC, I totally agree with you on McCain. But what did Wright say that is anti-semitic? I heard what his 60-minute interview with Bill Moyers on PBS, and what Wright said about America. What are you referring to? Have a link? (I thought I was up-to-speed on Wright, so if I’m not, I would like to know more.)

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Forty Watt Hussein(13:43:12) :

@ megacephalus (12:46:27) :

A bit off topic, but a wonderful set of candid Obama pictures through two years the [TIME] photographer, Callie Shell, has been with him and family:

Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird (13:23:24) :
…..to have a special needs baby delivered by a GP who’s not a trained OB-GYN..
———-
Marty, we had the same issue with my daughter last year, and although she was at the hospital within 2 hours, the doctor was ticked that she hadn’t come sooner (due to infection possibilities). She had the baby a few hours later, having been induced.
The GP had delivered Piper, and was not only trusted by Palin because of that, but is also on the hook for several grants to her specialty organization that deals specifically with sexually abused children.

I just don’t see Trig’s parentage as important as her blatant unethical scamming of the Alaskan taxpayers with childrens travel costs, church convention costs, Todd’s races costs, who built the house costs, and the double-speak about “taking on Big Oil” while playing into their pockets.
In addition, many people in Bristol Bay have been getting kickbacks from the Pebble Mine folks, in particular, the parents of Todd Palin’s former business partner, John Adcox.

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LaNon(13:52:28) :

Update on Human Obama Logo in Anchorage YouTube:
Nearly 25,000 views
with a 5-star rating
and fantastic comments from all over the world.

People of Alaska helping to change the world.
And making new friends everywhere as we prepare for CHANGE
Watch it, spread it!

(TIP: *tiny url* is a great tool, take those 120 character oddball url addresses and shrink them with ease here: http://www.tinyurl.com )

Best.

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Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird(13:53:44) :

For those who’ve never been to a service by a black preacher, they all are fire and brimstone and have a duty to get their congreation fired up.

The comments they use, just like all the others they use, are out of context. When Wright says ‘God damn the USA’, he could be talking about the president, about how black rights have been trampled for so many years, or a myriad of other issues important to african-americans..

These aren’t anti-american, just a way of getting the attention of those who otherwise might not be listening.

He’s no more radical than some priests or rabbis..

It’s just they can use it cause it looks bad..

Lets get Mclosers connections and barbie’s voodoo guy.. They use it, we don’t. comes back to class v. pathetic.

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Sparky(13:54:41) :

megacephalus (12:58:46) :

…and ‘off’ again…

@ Marty (VA) Hussein 12 Point Lead..:) (12:31:43) :

The cause of the fire was that McCain, ever the ‘hot-shot’ a.h. had a beef with the pilot lined up for the catalult – fully armed – behind him. So, as you all know, when you let air-mixed fuel into an engine and delay, ever-so-slightly, to hit the ‘ignition’ you blast out a fire ball. McC did that as an f.u. to his next in line, set of an armed rocket… and the rest is [well-concealed] history. Killed 150+ ship-mates. BUT as ever the admirals’ son was not court-marshaled…

Interesting, in that I also “heard” that the carrier incident was investigated but nothing more from that…especially interesting in that this is a bit different than the version from the Rolling Stone magazine of course. Mega, do you remember a source of any kind for this? Like I say, I also heard that there was a rather different story than what was written in the RS. hmmm…

Totally off topic but the Obama campaign’s aggressive stance against voter fraud is paying off.

Court: Michigan must return purged names to voter rolls

From CNN Associate Producer Martina Stewart

(CNN) – A federal appeals court has agreed with a lower court and ordered the state of Michigan to add the names of 5,500 voters back onto the voters rolls.

The names were purged when mail sent to the voters by local election officials was returned as undeliverable. Purging the names was permitted under Michigan law but violated the federal National Voter Registration Act which limits the circumstances under which a state may remove a voter from the rolls.

knik, i think there is a huge story under the veneer of Barbie and it’ll all come out!! bbl.. dinner bell rang..🙂

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sauerkraut aka Road Apple Palin(13:57:24) :

*** NEWS ALERT ***

A judge has ruled against the GOP’s attempt to obtain an injunction against the ACORN registration drive in PA. I blogged about this case a few days ago.

Republicans lose yet another voter case.

Preview of what’s to come on Tuesday?

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Sparky(14:02:12) :

Jamie, Floridian in France (13:14:33) :
Don’t know if anyone cared, but my son told me that Colbert – Republican and very conservative, endorsed Obama on his show last night!

Yeah, I think the conservative thing is Colbert’s “schtick” and it certainly works! More subtle jabs at the Repugs.

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Lulu(14:03:00) :

Marty wrote: “The comments they use, just like all the others they use, are out of context. When Wright says ‘God damn the USA’, he could be talking about the president, about how black rights have been trampled for so many years, or a myriad of other issues important to african-americans..These aren’t anti-american, just a way of getting the attention of those who otherwise might not be listening.He’s no more radical than some priests or rabbis…”

Marty, I totally agree with you! I donated to Rev. Wright’s former church after seeing him on Bill Moyers. And my point is: I have not heard anything from Wright that was “anti-semitic.” So if MJC has something on that, I would like to know. (I hope this isn’t another smear-within-a-smear or something).
Thanks in advance if there is something on this and you can show it via a link. Otherwise, I would like us not to tarnish Rev. Wright with it.

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Soldotna Sue(14:03:37) :

John McCain has sold his soul to try to win this election. He should be so ashamed of himself bringing up Rev. Wright again. In 2000 I kind of liked him, now I think he’s garbage. I have absolutely no respect for him any longer!

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Soldotna Sue(14:06:43) :

John McCain sold his soul to try to win this election. He should be so ashamed of himself. I have zero respect for the man any longer. He’s trash!

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lynn hussein hussein (MA)(14:08:13) :

MUDFLATTERS–PLEASE HELP!

I am in despair. I’ve just learned that my husband’s natal family (both parents + all his siblings) are all voting for McCain. I truly thought they were intelligent kind people. I know they read a lot. When Wisconsin went blue, I blithely assumed that they were part of that trend. Far from it. They are particularly stuck on Rev Wright’s hate speech and the “socialist” bullshit.

I have not spoken to them for about–oh, 21 months–and don’t know how I will ever again speak to them. When my husband spoke to them he asked weren’t they moved by Obama’s endorsement by Colin Powell and all of the other endorsements from conservatives, neoconservatives, and other Republicans. They said that there weren’t very many Republicans who had endorsed Barack Obama.

Please help! I need links to the endorsements by conservative, neoconservative, and other Republican leaders. And I need empathy, support, guidance and I-don’t-know-what-all from any other mudflatters who have (for lack of more precise words) racist and idiotic family members. My family is nothing but east coast Jewish lefties, and I’ve never had to deal with this kind of *ahem* “thinking” before.

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upnorthMN aka hose Hussein hotrod(14:09:03) :

Just now in my mailbox from the Obama campaign. If you have any more to give, they need it before Saturday… to wage battles in unexpected states and to continue to fight the sleaze. Do what you can.
hose Hussein hotrod
———–
I’m the Chief Financial Officer for Barack Obama’s campaign. I track the donations coming in and the expenses going out.

I asked for the opportunity to write to you directly so that I could try to explain what’s happening right now.

This organization has thousands of employees and spends millions of dollars a day — and at the moment we’re doing it without a safety net.

Our spending plans have been stretched by John McCain’s negative attacks and the overwhelming resources of the Republican National Committee.

As of October 15th, John McCain and the RNC together had nearly $20 million more in cash than the combined total of Obama for America and the DNC. And just this week, we’re facing new and unexpected spending against us in Montana and West Virginia.

Your incredible generosity has gotten us this far. But right now we need your help more than ever to get this campaign across the finish line.

Please donate $100 or whatever you can afford right now:
My team and I are working to stretch every dollar in order to keep as many paths to victory open as possible. But we need whatever help you can provide for this crucial final stretch.

Thank you,

MM

Marianne Markowitz
Chief Financial Officer
Obama for America

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upnorthMN aka hose Hussein hotrod(14:12:07) :

Just now in my mailbox from the Obama campaign, from the Chief Financial Officer. If you have any more to give, they need it before Saturday… to wage battles in unexpected states and to continue to fight the sleaze. Do what you can. It all matters.
hose Hussein hotrod

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CO Almost Native(14:12:34) :

Granny-

You cannot reply to the PBS poll, as it closed several weeks (or more) ago. There was a column that explained the problems with the poll they didn’t anticipate, and how they changed the polling procedure. I wrote a “contact us” email, complaining that PBS/NPR are perceived as neutral and objective by the public, and gimmicks like this hurt their reputation. I did get a nice reply, thanking me for my interest.

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Augie(14:14:01) :

Marty and Mega,
I’ve also heard the ‘wet start’ story. And yes, he is the ultimate coward!
Here’s a video done by Wayne Madsen about the Forrestal fire as well as the Liberty incident.

This is a link to the National Republican Trust PAC and these are all the vile commercials they will be running through Tuesday.

gag.

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Lulu(14:18:53) :

FYI, other commenters/posters on TalkingPointsMemo.com are saying that Rev. Wright is not anti-Semitic either….

If you encounter anyone saying this line as a reason not to vote for Obama, be sure to smack it down.

What they are trying to do is tie Khalidi’s political background to Rev. Wright. It’s crazy.

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Kat Loves Wolves Hussein aka Kat in FLA(14:22:20) :

Stephen Colbert is definitely a pretend conservative but I think a lot of conservative repubs don’t get the tongue in cheekness of it. I remember when he was asked to emcee the White House Corespondent dinner and they were shocked at his act, they apparently totally thought he was one of them. My crazy repub aunt thinks he is great and hates Jon Stewart, she doesn’t get that it’s a joke. Try as I might I could not turn her for Obama, she drank the military wife kool aid a long time ago.

Voted today in the very red Panhandle of FL, took my Mom with me, that’s two votes for our guy. Tomorrow I’m handing in my ex-husbands absentee ballot that I ordered for him here in FL or he wouldn’t have been able to vote as he never registered in MI, so that’s three, YAY!

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A Fan From Chicago(14:27:30) :

@Lynn Hussein 14:08:13

My advice, as long as you asked, is to let it go. There isn’t enough time left to re-program them no matter what you send them. And since you haven’t talked to them in almost two years your “appearance” may shock them into some kind of health issue.

Empathy you have in spades.

Maybe you can channel your energy into convincing someone you know who is still undecided (could you take a picture and post it because I want to see them) like the hairdresser one of our Flatters updates us on.

Or just be nice to someone when you go to vote, or do your errands, or walk around town. It may have more effect.

“Rewards Spiritual” as an old boss used to tell me when I went in for a raise.

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Lil' Geese Whalebone Palin(14:30:00) :

Marty, Mega, and Audie, My father was an officer aboard the Forrestal. As much as I’d like to say that this is true….it’s not…… My dad tells me that the A4(attack plane, not fighter) that McCain flew off the Forrestal did not have an afterburner which would be necessary to “wet start” . It was a missle from across the flight deck from a plane in my fathers squadron that started the conflagration….. BTW dad considers McCain a war hero…But is voting for OBAMA for all the RIGHT reasons!!!!

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Bea(14:33:35) :

Mudflats just got a shout out on the ‘Real Women Respond to Palin’ broadcast!!!

I don’t know about that incident, but a very good friend who was AF/Nat’l Guard his entire career (2 star general) said McLame crashed four planes- usually you are drummed out of flying after one crash (those suckers are expensive), but when your daddy and granddaddy are VIP…

Since McCain gave Khalidi’s group nearly half a million dollars in the 90’s, I don’t understand why Palin has been trotted out with this latest racist smear, since it also implicates McCain.

Their racism and ignorance knows no bounds.

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Sparky(14:39:41) :

Lil’ Geese Whalebone Palin (14:30:00) :
Yes, I think this is the version in the Rolling Stone magazine. I think the only question about the incident that made for further investigating, was something about McCain’s armament or tanks (something like that) may not have been properly secured. In the article, it says something (sorry) like “there was a clunk clunk and both (fill in tanks or armaments thingies here) dropped to the deck.” Sorry, not a direct quote and unable to spend time finding the blasted RS article again. But it was well described.

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Lulu(14:41:12) :

MJC, oh, thanks for clarifying. I guess I am just all upset over the headlines at Talking Points Memo and thought it was part of the same smear!

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cmac(14:41:42) :

The Economist endorsed Obama for president.

Yes, the economist. Not exactly a liberal publication.

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Sparky(14:41:44) :

yes, he did run from or away, while others were running to the fire.

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Lulu(14:44:37) :

@MJC, racism gets me very upset.

In my lifetime, I have not been privy to so much racism in one campaign; I was too young to really understand some of the elections in the 60’s. Sorry to have misread what you wrote initially! My bad!

The GOP is trying to start a new smear with anti-Semiticism in it, according to what happened on the Rick Sanchez show on CNN today. And it makes me so sick.

Hello Alaskans. That is quite a poll drop given how popular Palin was before being selected VP. The selection as VP probably made Alaskans proud cause Palin was part of the home team, thereby actually increasing her approval even if it was never measured. So Palin likely went even higher before plummeting in response to what was revealed and her own performance on the national stage.

For Palin to drop 20 points, that is saying something in a state that was deep red. Now Alaska has prominent blue streaks. And starting to blend toward purple.

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InJuneau aka Wrangler Tractor That One Hussein(14:50:50) :

Aww, I think I’ve been screened into the “spam” folder. Hope my link to a NYTimes article pops out later today. It’s a good one.

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Nebraska Native AKA Sista Froth Hussein(14:51:09) :

OK, I don’t usually follow links for You Tube, I don’t know why, but also with a hat tip to Non for tiny url, this You Tube is hysterical, the Wizard of Oz with some interesting faces, as a Teaser, Nancy Pelosi is the Wicked Witch and Joe Lieberman stars as Toto… here it is: http://tinyurl.com/5al9xx

These are big-time conservative Republican endorsements for Obama; there are others, like Powell- they may not work with your relatives, but this top ten list includes governors, senators, writers, major conservatives…hard to argue against these dudes. Good luck-

Hey, all, checking in although I found I didn’t have any wisdom to impart. Still don’t, really. I thought the Stevens polling numbers were astonishing when you consider how soon it is after the verdict. I wonder if he gets it.

Any news on the Natives needing fuel?

My husband called the Khalidi thing this morning, he said, McCain already gave him money in the 90’s, it’s a very small academic community, Middle Eastern scholars, did he forget?

What I can’t figure out is the real point spreads…for some reason I think the numbers for Barack are vastly underestimated. Time will tell.

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Proud Community OrganizerWA(14:53:07) :

cmac

Saw the endorsement by the Economist for Obama and also the endorsement for McCain/Palin from the Wasilla weekly. LMAO

AKM: Speaking of mean Uncle Teddy, scroll down TPM’s page for more photos of his welcome home gala…can you spot yourself in one of the pics? Or were you at Begich’s shindig by that time?

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MJC(15:00:36) :

LuLu,
I know how you feel. Obama has been attacked relentlessly for a long time now. McCain is desperate and he will not stop. He is now recycling old smears and fabricating new ones.

I just wish that some of the more influencial Obama supporters would have the guts to stand up for him right now. Obama, will never stoop to McCain’s level, which is depths of hell where McCain’s honor now resides.

Through it all, Obama has remained dignified and a man of great character. He will be a great role model for the Youth of America.

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Let'sGetReal for "That One"(15:01:59) :

Can they give Rev. Wright a break? Good grief! It’s hard to believe that most people think African American’s should just sweep all the oppression under the rug. I mean we don’t dwell on what was done to us. i.e. slavery, civil rights taken away, MLK, JFK, Medgar Evers, Rosewood 1923 Massacre, 4 little girls church bombing, African American men injected with sphyilis, even today we are labeled as lazy and don’t want to work. I could go on and on!

I work in a company where I am the only African American in the office, and I have yet to see an African American candidate to be interviewed for a Sales, or Engineer position. Both high paying jobs!

All we ask for is equality, and on the same playing field level! WE DON’T WANT A HAND OUT!!!

So maybe Rev. Wright was expressing his disparity towards this country, who has wronged minorities on so many levels…and it still goes on!

I mean listen to the news of how Rethugs are trying to disinfranchise minority voters!

Would someone white be happy, and all hooray for America if the shoe would have been on the other foot? What if the roles would have been reversed, and white people were killed, beaten, raped, stripped of their identity, and worse…if black people would have done this, and Rev. Wright were white. Would people think he was not pro-american?

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Augie(15:02:03) :

My biggest concerns are with the long-lasting effects of all the Repub lies. Just like the crazy “he’s an arab” woman, these people aren’t going to turn loose of the things they’ve been told no matter how well Obama does in his presidency. They will continue to believe everything they’ve heard during the campaign because to do otherwise would threaten their whole belief system.
This is the information they’ve been given by their authoritarian leaders. They can’t deal with any kind of challenge to that.
Earlier on Hardball, it was said that 23% of Texas repubs still believe that Obama is a Muslim despite all evidence to the contrary.
Just think of all the people who still believe Saddam had something to do with 9/11.

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knikgoose HUSSEIN!! justaskin(15:02:26) :

lynn hussein hussein (MA) :
It’s probably too late to change them.
However, you might point out to them that the ‘socialism’ Obama is talking about does not surpass the amount of socialist type activities already in use in many other democratic countries,..such as Canada.
Whatever in the world can be wrong with paying less (Less than present average costs of medical insurance) via taxation for medical coverage FOR EVERYONE ?
What could be wrong with knowing that some former veteran, in spite of his/her abilities/disabilities, is able to seek medical help when necessary. Or, some young mother, who may or may not have made a boo-boo in critical thinking one night, be allowed to have her baby born, and seen to properly, in a hospital, with a doctor and nursing staff, and without being denied entry due to income?
You might add that someday, there may be some extenuating circumstances which might require themselves or a family member or friend to have to avail themselves of the socialized medical system or , through lack of funds, go without and have the health situation worsen. Which would they prefer?
Saying it will never happen, isn’t an answer. There’s a whole city of empty houses here where folks believed “it will never happen’.
It happens.
Somewhere along the way, we all have to realize that if we want a healthy society, then we have to understand that it requires we become “our brother’s keeper”, to the extent that other humans, to whom a bad hand has been dealt, can be helped up and out of these situations, by those who are still standing.
Just because they don’t personally know the persons being helped by their belonging to a system which advocates some use of ‘socialist-style’ programs, is not a reason. If they ever put money into the Salvation Army can, or into the plate at church, they were unaware of how the money would be utilized, but they assume that, since it is being done by a church, then it is a good use.
The day they meet someone else who has been helped or even saved by socialized medicine/education, whatever Obama has in mind, is the day they’ll get over their fear of the word “socialist’.
Once, when I took my grandmother downtown shopping, in the late ’60’s, she saw, for the first time, crippled vets, two of whom were missing limbs and rolling on a board with casters, begging NOT for money, but for someone to please take their money, go up the steps into the coney-island and get them some food. People had been ignoring these folks, some even running away, when my gram stopped and then sent me into the shop for the food. When I came out, she gave them the food and then, in the ‘change’ she slipped a five dollar bill, each.
The fellow thanked me profusely, and though the second fellow caught her , calling “Wait-I have too much change”, she dragged me off.
I asked her why she did that, since they weren’t asking for money but help, and she said “Remember this old saying ,..”There,- but for the Grace of God, go I”. Five bucks is 1/20th of my pay, but, I have my legs. They lost theirs keeping you and I free, but no one respects that sacrifice.”
It is only that grace, that trick of fate, that keeps us on one side of the line or the other. Things can change in a heartbeat.
Your family may not need that help today,…but, do they know the future? And do they really know the circumstances that put another human being in the position of needing a hand up?

I hope that even if you can’t change their minds, they will not be too resentful of Obama’s social-awareness plans as they are enacted. (I, too, have racist family members- makes for interesting family affairs, since many of us are neither white, nor born-again. Of course, those members are repugs- and we aren’t allowed to speak to each other until the 5th)

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Nebraska Native AKA Sista Froth Hussein(15:03:46) :

I am in the spam filter too… posted “The Wizard of Washington” great spoof using The Wizard of Oz… maybe it will show up later for your viewing enjoyment. 🙂

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Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca(15:06:06) :

Lynn Hussein 14:08:13

If helpful, here are some Links with Repubs for Obama. They are entertaining and uplifting for anyone to view

Mudpeeps,
Speculation on McWeasel’s military record is useless. His records have been sealed……….hummmmm..wonder why?!! Despite The Freedom of Information Act. Even his POW records have been sealed…hummmm again.
There is an amazing amount of info on the Web about covert info from 20 years ago. If I can find it…Geeze Louise..anybody can.

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Kat Loves Wolves Hussein aka Kat in FLA(15:08:30) :

Let’sGetReal,
Extremely good point!

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judi hussein that one Obama(15:16:17) :

Let’a get real for that one and elect Barack Obama president of the USA.

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Lee(15:18:23) :

Eyes Wide Open in Pittsburgh:

This is just another distortion. McCain also has a connection to this guy. In fact he helped fund him with $100.200,000.00. I saw this on the New York Times. Wish I had a link for you.

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suchanut(15:20:31) :

@Augie (15:02:03) :

All of the fear/hate-mongering of the last four years will take some time to shake, but I’m convinced Barack has what it takes to win over the hearts and minds of the people who are so against him right now.

Barack is an accomplished “people whisperer” and those whispers will trickle down into the consciousness of everyone and the world will be a better place.

Yes we can!
GOBAMA!

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Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca(15:20:33) :

Lynn Hussein 14:08:13

If helpful, here’s a list of Prominent Republicans who have recently endorsed Obama. Abbreviated from Wonkette.

Colin Powell.
Ken Adelman: Neo-con insider in the Nixon, Ford, and GW Bush Administrations. This is the guy who introduced “Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz at a Washington brunch the day Reagan was sworn in,” the New Yorker writes. McCain is “impetuous, inconsistent, and imprudent; ending up just plain weird,” according to Adelman.
William Weld: Served Reagan as a U.S. attorney, the Republican governor of Massachusetts from 1991-1997.
Arne Carlson: Former Republican governor of Minnesota.
Scott McClellan: The former GW Bush press spokesman.
C.C. Goldwater: The granddaughter of conservative and Repub Presidential candidate Barry Goldwater.
Charles Fried: The solicitor general in Reagan’s second term and part of the McCain campaign until recently. After endorsing Obama, Fried “asked that his name be removed from the several [McCain] campaign-related committees on which he serves.”

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Lulu(15:20:40) :

@EVERYONE here on Mudflats. What great points and it is so nice to come here. I am breathing more deeply now.

Just got a call from the Obama campaign telling my spouse and I to get ourselves somewhere helpful for GOTV. My spouse is already signed up for Election Day, so now I will try to find something, too. The caller said we had to fight the smears! That is what he first said to me! And that’s what I had been so upset about on here….synchronicity….and another sign of the massive scale of organization for the Obama campaign.

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InJuneau aka Wrangler Tractor That One Hussein(15:20:53) :

@knikgoose HUSSEIN!! justaskin (15:02:26) :

Thank you! I, fortunately, don’t have any family members that need convincing, but that is a beautiful story of your grandmother’s lesson.

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Denise ThatOneFromMSgaAZca(15:29:33) :

Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird (13:53:44) :

For those who’ve never been to a service by a black preacher, they are all . . . fired up
+++++++++++

It has been my experience that when I go to service at a predominantly black church of the same denomination as another predominantly white church I have attended, the black church rocks. I LOVE going to predominantly black churches. The energy and emotional range is amazing.

That is not to say there is the same theological range we have witnessed from Palin. Not at all. It varies by denomination.

suchanut,
I so hope that’s the case.
The 23% figure in the Hardball mention was quite curious though.
It’s the same percentage that John Dean puts on the authoritarian followers in the population. Those are the ones that will, without question, follow them right over the edge of the cliff.

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Bobg(15:35:06) :

Is there any help for America? On Hardball they just posted that 23% of the people in Texas believe that Obama is Muslim. Sometimes I wonder if we can be saved.

I really don’t know how I will manage my relationship with my in-laws over time. We were fairly close until this election cycle, but I have been afraid all along that this is how they were thinking. I liked living in an Obama bubble! But working in New Hampshire to Get Out the Vote, I have encountered shocking opinions voiced by people who looked otherwise sane and pleasant. Accepting that I am related (by marriage) to some of them will take some getting used to.

My daughter, who is 8, wants my attention this evening, but I keep telling her that it is important to me to gather this information, because I am upset that Nana and Papa don’t want Obama to be President. She keeps pointing out to me,

“So? They’re not the only people in the world.”

What a great kid! She has watched all the debates, and her opinion is this: “McCain looks mean.”

Thank you for the links, inspiration, and support.

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0whole1(15:41:35) :

What are the chances the 2nd Palin ethics investigation will release findings late tomorrow? I read at one point that the findings might come out prior to the election, and folks like to release these sorts of things late Fridays in general…

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Trini(15:42:40) :

@knikgoose HUSSEIN!! justaskin (15:02:26)

Your story about you and your grandmother is not only priceless, but tear-jerking. We have to cherish and empower our vets. McIdiot won’t do that, but Obama will. And Palin hasn’t a clue. She’s too busy winkin’ and blowin’ kisses. That doesn’t help the repug’s polls, it just makes it look like she’s a pole dancer (my apologies to pole dancers everywhere!). What a strange campaign.

Thanks Crust – just the giggle I needed. We are all getting stressed – laughter is good.

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MJC(15:50:02) :

***I think Obama really needs our help. Please Read e-mail.

I’m the Chief Financial Officer for Barack Obama’s campaign. I track the donations coming in and the expenses going out.

I asked for the opportunity to write to you directly so that I could try to explain what’s happening right now.

This organization has thousands of employees and spends millions of dollars a day — and at the moment we’re doing it without a safety net.

Our spending plans have been stretched by John McCain’s negative attacks and the overwhelming resources of the Republican National Committee.

As of October 15th, John McCain and the RNC together had nearly $20 million more in cash than the combined total of Obama for America and the DNC. And just this week, we’re facing new and unexpected spending against us in Montana and West Virginia.

Your incredible generosity has gotten us this far. But right now we need your help more than ever to get this campaign across the finish line.

My team and I are working to stretch every dollar in order to keep as many paths to victory open as possible. But we need whatever help you can provide for this crucial final stretch.

Thank you,

MM

Marianne Markowitz
Chief Financial Officer
Obama for America

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Nebraska Native AKA Sista Froth Hussein(15:50:48) :

@Crust…. that was the you tube I wanted you all to see… I don’t like you tube, don’t know why, but I am so glad I watched this one. Thanks! It’s a keeper!

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MJC(15:52:29) :

**I THINK OBAMA REALLY NEEDS OUR HELP. PLEASE READ THE E-MAIL.

I’m the Chief Financial Officer for Barack Obama’s campaign. I track the donations coming in and the expenses going out.

I asked for the opportunity to write to you directly so that I could try to explain what’s happening right now.

This organization has thousands of employees and spends millions of dollars a day — and at the moment we’re doing it without a safety net.

Our spending plans have been stretched by John McCain’s negative attacks and the overwhelming resources of the Republican National Committee.

As of October 15th, John McCain and the RNC together had nearly $20 million more in cash than the combined total of Obama for America and the DNC. And just this week, we’re facing new and unexpected spending against us in Montana and West Virginia.

Your incredible generosity has gotten us this far. But right now we need your help more than ever to get this campaign across the finish line.

I’m the Chief Financial Officer for Barack Obama’s campaign. I track the donations coming in and the expenses going out.

I asked for the opportunity to write to you directly so that I could try to explain what’s happening right now.

This organization has thousands of employees and spends millions of dollars a day — and at the moment we’re doing it without a safety net.

Our spending plans have been stretched by John McCain’s negative attacks and the overwhelming resources of the Republican National Committee.

As of October 15th, John McCain and the RNC together had nearly $20 million more in cash than the combined total of Obama for America and the DNC. And just this week, we’re facing new and unexpected spending against us in Montana and West Virginia.

Your incredible generosity has gotten us this far. But right now we need your help more than ever to get this campaign across the finish line.

My team and I are working to stretch every dollar in order to keep as many paths to victory open as possible. But we need whatever help you can provide for this crucial final stretch.

Thank you,

MM

Marianne Markowitz
Chief Financial Officer
Obama for America

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Sparky(15:55:20) :

braska Native AKA Sista Froth Hussein (15:52:29) :

(swallows) just finished a KitKat Bar (blushes)

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suchanut(15:55:25) :

Hey Nebraska! I ate Halloweek candy for lunch! 🙂

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InJuneau aka Wrangler Tractor That One Hussein(15:56:04) :

@Nebraska Native AKA Sista Froth Hussein (15:52:29) :

No (gotta save it for tomorrow and the kiddies), but if I had my druthers I’d be eating pie… I just haven’t gotten around to making any yet😦 . One of these days though (and I’ll but using the real lard too!).

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Sparky(15:56:25) :

Starting on a Butterfingers (eyes downturn)

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Nebraska Native AKA Sista Froth Hussein(15:56:32) :

I’m just sayin’ there are 3 almond joy mini’s left.

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InJuneau aka Wrangler Tractor That One Hussein(15:56:47) :

Oh yeah, except that I have been eating it at work all week because people keep bringing it in and leaving it around in bowls…

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Sparky(15:58:31) :

uh oh…feeling Mavericky now

too much sugar

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Nebraska Native AKA Sista Froth Hussein(15:58:57) :

InJuneau aka Wrangler Tractor That One Hussein (15:56:47) I want to make a pie too, but I just keep eating candy.

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knikgoose HUSSEIN!! justaskin(16:00:16) :

Trini:
Well, Gram was a wise woman and I never forgot that.
Failing that, I don’t think Palin has a clue about the costs of health-care to the average american, because, as I have said before, I am native and have Aleut and Athabascan relatives in Alaska. As far as I know (and I have asked the relatives) because Todd is 1/8 yu’pik, Todd and Sarah and all of their children are covered for free SOCIALIZED health benefits under the Alaskan Native medical benefits system.
In which case, she doesn’t know squat about finding ways to pay for an upcoming birth, or a broken leg (because we all plan those things,) let alone a devastating medical condition that might wipe out one’s savings entirely and still need more.
Correct me if I am wrong on this. There was some question as to whether the line may be drawn (as it in in the lower ’48, in Certified degree of blood,) at 1/4 in order to be eligible.
Failing that, I’m sure Todd had coverage from BP for his family, so they really haven’t known any ‘kitchen-table’ moments of “how will we pay for that?”, unless they were discussing buying more property.

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GJ in Idaho(16:00:44) :

OT – My all the Mudflaters have been busy today, so much to read and so little time. I just finished my 150th call for the ID Dem’s, get out the vote. I must say northern ID is much more Demo than south ID and all the Dem’s I spoke to where much more polite. The moment I said I was a ID Dem volunteeer, most of those in South ID either hung up, or if they wanted me to know they were Repub would yell in my ear and then hang up. I’m going to go take a walk now and release some of the not so nice energy, then go back to calling after dinner. I hate to get calls during dinner so will not be making calls during that time. No sense in giving folks another reason to yell at me. Blessing to all that vote and even more love to those that answer the call to vote with cheer and hope.

Keep smiling and keep working for Obama/Biden

PS: over 1/2 of those I’ve called and spoke to today, that’s 78 people have already voted.

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InJuneau aka Wrangler Tractor That One Hussein(16:01:43) :

@Nebraska Native AKA Sista Froth Hussein (15:58:57) :

Candy pie?!?

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Sparky(16:01:44) :

hmmm

stay on Mudflats long enough, the subject of pie, fruitflies, or Australian wine will eventuall weave their way into the conversation.

…just sayin’

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InJuneau aka Wrangler Tractor That One Hussein(16:03:23) :

@Sparky (16:01:44) :

Well, I could always try to make a pie with Australian wine that the fruit flies might like…

I think, yes, perhaps so oh wise one
with a sprinkling of Halloweeny Candy

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Nebraska Native AKA Sista Froth Hussein(16:05:39) :

Chocolate, wine and Obama/Biden with pie. Does life get any better? I am going to eat a bowl of cereal for dinner, that is so much healthier than almond joy’s, and knit badly and watch KO and Rachel. 3> H Mudpuppies! If that does not work it is supposed to be a heart shape. Talk to you all tomorrow!

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Lana, KY(16:05:58) :

Are there any anti-Palin events planned for when the Palin circus troupe returns to Alaska to vote on Tuesday? Hope so.

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Nebraska Native AKA Sista Froth Hussein(16:06:58) :

It didn’t work, as I slink away from the computer. I do “heart” the puppies!

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SMR(16:10:14) :

@Lynn Hussein —

Here’s a very powerful message if you are dealing with people hung up on the faith issues:

It didn’t work, as I slink away from the computer. I do “heart” the puppies!

Pups “heart” you right back.🙂

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SMR(16:12:54) :

@knikGoose —

I think the lines are drawn at 1/4 here for natives. I could check with my sis (a doctor at the native hospital) to verify, will leave a note for you in later thread.

Certainly Todd would have great coverage through BP (I know, cuz that’s my husband’s former employer), and Bible Spice would have great coverage through the State of AK. Between the two they would likely pay very little for medical costs out of pocket.

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InJuneau aka Wrangler Tractor That One Hussein(16:14:55) :

@suchanut (16:03:31) :

Oh heck yeah! Any kind, really, though we’re fond of apple and sweet potato pecan… (haven’t made the latter, but there’s a recipe floating around here on the blog somewhere; gotta go back and copy that down). Secret pie crust recipe available upon request…

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mhrt oregon"steve"(16:15:10) :

@knikgoose HUSSEIN!! justaskin (15:02:26) :

lynn hussein hussein (MA) :
It’s probably too late to change them.
However, you might point out to them that the ’socialism’ Obama is talking about does not surpass the amount of socialist type activities already in use in many other democratic countries,..such as Canada.
Whatever in the world can be wrong with paying less (Less than present average costs of medical insurance) via taxation for medical coverage FOR EVERYONE ?

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very well said………..

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knikgoose HUSSEIN!! justaskin(16:16:12) :

Oh no! Not “pie-talk” again!
You guys put 5 lbs. on me this past weekend as it is!

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Sparky(16:18:43) :

+++ sugar = Mavericky

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CO Almost Native(16:19:29) :

Check it out, mudpuppies-

Another fine example of upstanding, honest behavior by Republicans, this time in MN:

Funny that you should mention the qualifying percentage. When I was in college, my identifying information kept listing me as being an Alaskan or Native American. I don’t know where they got that idea since I’m not Native American or Alaskan. I kept telling them that they were wrong and to change the data. I suspected that the school received some sort of rebate or something for the designation. But I didn’t seek nor receive any benefit from that designation because I felt that it was wrong. From what I recall, and I could be terribly in error on this, you qualified if you were 1/8th. Todd’s kids aren’t 1/8th so I don’t know how they could qualify for benefits as yu’piks. But, since SWWNBN is so reluctant to release her medical records, how do we know how the family’s medical expenses are paid?

I love your Gram!

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Kat Loves Wolves Hussein aka Kat in FLA(16:20:55) :

Don’t forget Rachel has interview with Obama tonight.

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Lacy Lady(16:21:30) :

Denise—-You can also add another Republican to your list. The granddaughter of General/President/ Dwight D. Eisenhower also endorsed Obama. I saw her on the Larry King show. Beautiful woman–and VERY intelligent!!
I just heard that Joe the Plumber was a NO SHOW at the McCain Rally today. HEE HEE!!!!!!!!
Will the nightmare ever end???????

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Sparky(16:24:23) :

CO Almost Native (16:19:29) :

Wow, those reporters were all over Coleman and his SUV like white on rice.

I just gave to Franken yesterday too. It’s a close race (or was)

buh bye Coleman???

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CO Almost Native(16:25:23) :

Pie? Did someone say pie? (I don’t want to be a pie; I don’t like gravy- name that movie)

I freeze Colorado peaches (yummy) when they are in season, and make lattice-topped peach pies during the winter.

Oops…I must take a break, I’m drooling on my keyboard-

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Lulu(16:27:06) :

Trini wrote “From what I recall, and I could be terribly in error on this, you qualified if you were 1/8th. Todd’s kids aren’t 1/8th so I don’t know how they could qualify for benefits as yu’piks.”

I will be interested to hear what everyone finds out about this. I have a CDIB card (in Canada it’s called a Quantum Card, I believe) and I have relatives who have less native heritage than I do by a generation who have gotten native health benefits.

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Frank aka. Lier Skunk Palin(16:27:49) :

Marty (VA) Hussein 12 Point Lead..:) (12:31:43) :

Barbie just mentioned being on the deck of aircraft carriers.. She omits the part about him running and hiding like the little cowardly weasel he really is.

When his plane was on fire, and a bomb exploded, while people were dying, he hightailed it to the pilot’s ready room and watched them die on TV..

Explain how that’s a hero?
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What happened was, J Mcsh@thead tried to get a rise outta the pilot behind him by firing his afterburner. This caused the armed missile on the rear pilots plane to explode, intern killing many service men. That’s what happened! Try to prove it tho.
Sorry but, I am really ticked that no body is interested in trying get to the truth of this matter. Grrrrrrrrr

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Sparky(16:27:55) :

CO Almost Native (16:25:23) :

(leaning forward) here’s a napkin, Mudpup!

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Kat Loves Wolves Hussein aka Kat in FLA(16:29:32) :

Frank Rich form the NYT on Keith Oberman just said that the McCain campaign “can’t get a 2 car parade going”. So true it made me giggle out loud.

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InJuneau aka Wrangler Tractor That One Hussein(16:29:38) :

Denise–don’t know if it’s been added to your list, but Barry Goldwater’s granddaughter recently wrote a very eloquent piece on why she and many of the other Goldwaters are supporting Obama (though her uncle nearly had a fit). I think it can be found on Huffington Post if you poke around/search.

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Sparky(16:32:01) :

Trini, LuLu
I may be wrong, because this was a long time ago, but when I was placed on a very long waiting list for a college program, I seem to recall an acquaintance was able to mosey up to the top when she documented 1/16 Native American. Gave her thumbs up.

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CO Almost Native(16:34:37) :

Thanks, Sparky:)

I found a frozen peach pie, after rummaging through the freezer…waiting for it to thaw…

Man, this is a group I won’t shed a tear over should they lose their jobs…conservative talk-show hosts.

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Sparky(16:38:25) :

CO Almost Native (16:34:37) :
Thanks, Sparky:) I found a frozen peach pie, after rummaging through the freezer…waiting for it to thaw…

No probleme`… that’s why I’m here!

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akmuckraker(16:43:07) :

New post!

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mhrt oregon"steve"(16:43:16) :

talking about health care. i just heard this week that my mom and my sister will lose their kaiser health care in california on jan 1. they both have been members for like 40 years………..When they retired the health care was part of the package. now they will be rolled over to Atnea………At a cost of $1800. a month. My sister retired because of a disability ssooo she has a pre ex condition and atnea will not cover any meds ….that will have be out of pocket……… I know that she will not be able to pay for them. All she said after the tears…….what am i suppose to do……..just die…..

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Bev(16:44:37) :

Wasilla Frontiersmen endorsed. . . .McCain. (duh) BUT the endorsement is written in a style reminiscent of a HS sophomore essay. Like, ya know, not real smart sounding, ya know?
Anyway, tomorrow is halloween and where I work, we’re dressing up! We’re all going as Joe the Plumber, Tito the Builder, etc. . . I’m going as Jo the Pooper Scooper!

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Lulu(16:45:14) :

mhrt, will Obama healthcare plan help them? In the infomercial, he said preexisting conditions are accepted!

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Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird(16:48:47) :

Hi kids..

I found one link with a little info about the Forrestal. While there are several theories floating around, this one seems to be the most accepted acct.

See what you think.. Someone above discounted the mcloser hotdogging as the cause. I would believe that, as if he had caused the death of 150 sailors, and millions of dollars of damage, even Admiral Daddy wouldn’t have been able to save him.

Dang, people. It takes a long time to wade through all the comments. A little catching up.

eajphd Molten Contra Palin, I have no Harley, but I do have four tattoos and nine holes in my ears. I used to have a pierced belly button, but it wouldn’t heal properly.

Sparky, what did you find interesting about my rants? I am curious–is it the fact that I was a tad bit underwhelmed yesterday by Obama’s program?

Let’sGetReal for “That One”, right on. You are speaking the truth. It’s one problem I have with hearing how ‘colorblind’ our society is these days or how we were a big ol’ melting pot. There is a great article in HuffPo about how white privilege means you don’t have to see racism because it doesn’t affect you, so you can declare that racism doesn’t exist. Or, like some white women are claiming, sexism is worse/more prevalent than racism. As a woman of color, I can assure you that both are alive and well.

Finally, so as to be on topic, Ted, please, just go away. I have no desire to see you go to jail, but you have lost the right to serve you state.

I am glad when this will be all over because I am so freakin’ tired of the (manufactured) drama.

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asianHusseingrrl"that one"MN(16:50:56) :

Damn. Did it to me again. Sorry for forgetting to unbold. I’m moving it on to the new post.

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lynn hussein hussein (MA)(16:52:09) :

Thanks, SMR, for the link to the Conservative Christian argument for Obama.

My husband reminds me that his folks are totally caught up in the argument that Obama spent 20 years in a church where hatred of white people was preached from the pulpit. Any thoughts on how to address this kind of thinking? I am interested to see how/whether the Obama campaign will address this if 527 ads are broadcasting Rev. Wright for the next 5 days. It’s very hard to know how to address it. Parsley? Hagee? More hate-mongering. It doesn’t help anyone (IMO) to go there.

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SMR(16:56:13) :

@mhrt Steve — No! That’s so sad & awful! Hoping hoping hoping that Obama is elected so that your sister, and others like her, can get the care that they need. There but for the grace of God… we are all walking such a fine line these days. Losing a job, major medical problem, one small step from American Dream to American nightmare. I am thinking of you & your family and sending warm wishes & hopes for a better outcome and future.

On a clinical note — can your sister talk to a state social worker or someone like that who can advise her re: her rights in regard to healthcare and medications? My first question would be whether or not it is legal, my second question would be how to get her into the medicaid system if that’s necessary.

I know that sometimes we need to spend some time just listening to loved ones who are hurting, but when we’re done listening we have to start making plans to make things better.

Keep us updated.

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knikgoose HUSSEIN!! justaskin(16:56:51) :

SMR (16:12:54) :

@knikGoose –

I think the lines are drawn at 1/4 here for natives. I could check with my sis (a doctor at the native hospital) to verify, will leave a note for you in later thread.
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Thanks SMR!
I’ve had a feeling the Palins have never had to sweat over med. bills or go without treatment for lack of funds.
And thank your sister for being a doctor and working there – I remember the first time I needed medical attention in Ak, and went to the hospital (having no idea that there was a separate hospital for natives). Being told I was in the “wrong hospital” and being given directions to the hospital where ‘my people’ go, I was actually afraid to imagine what I would find when I got there.
Being non-white, and having visited Florida/Georgia in the days when there were separate facilities for white people, I had some visions that southern racism had simply moved to Alaska.
I had to pay for treatment, being a non-resident, but, at least, my fear of being suddenly thrown back into the ’60’s, was allayed when I actually got to the hospital and found it was nothing like I imagined. Quite the contrary.
(Actually, in Florida, the drinking fountains- said “Blacks” over one, and “Whites” over the other. So, being quite confused by this, I said , in a voice loud-enough to make my grandmother wince,….”We’re gonna die from thirst here! There’s no “Indians” water!”
Of course, as soon as she saw me noticing that the bathrooms were also segregated, she clapped her hand over my mouth. )

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Sparky(17:00:45) :

Marty (VA) Hussein McLoser Songbird (16:48:47)

Wow, Marty, you must have done some serious research. Thank you for this and your time. It gives me chills reading it.

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SMR(17:01:17) :

@lynn — As usual, all of the M/P Rev Wright hate-mongering is taking the good Rev out of context. Is there any way to get a verbatim transcript or video of the quote being used by the hate-mongering repubs?

I don’t get TV or cable here, so I am blissfully out of the loop re: ads!

Sorry that I can’t be more helpful. My only response to that sort of rubbish is that black people have the right to be angry! I’m angry about how they’ve been treated too. We ALL should be. Why are people not ashamed of how they’ve been treated, how all non-white races are treated? We should be feeling guilty, not attacking a man who is a good Christian, served his country in the war, and has something to say that reminds us of our crimes against non-white citizens? And after we’re done feeling guilty we need to channel that into a way to effect positive changes in the US.

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eajphd Molten Contra Palin(17:02:13) :

NEW THREAD ALERT

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Lulu(17:11:17) :

Lynn,
If race is an issue for your relatives who are for McCain, here’s what I would tell them. Obama’s mother was white. His maternal grandparents were white. Have they seen the Obama infomercial on barackobama.com? It’s very clear how much Obama loves his mother and his maternal grandparents. And the pictures are so touching.

And there are (and were) white members of the church Obama attended the entire time he was there. This is a racially inclusive church.

Rev. Wright did not preach hatred; he preached the truth about America’s HISTORY. Some people do not want to face some of the terrible events that have occurred on American soil, and around the world in the name of “America” (see “War in Iraq,” for one example.). Others believe that in order to make things better, we cannot stay in denial, and must face the truth.

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Lulu(17:16:26) :

@Lynn, did someone already give you this list: the Top Ten Reasons Why Conservatives Should Vote for Obama –

Lulu:
No CDIB cards in Canada, only the US has “Quantum Cards”. Canada has “Status Cards” and “Non-Status” cards, but they are dished out by the tribe, not the gov’t.
Tribal leaders in Canada rejected the “quantum” count as being somewhat racist, and in all honesty, benefitted the gov’t in maintaining the attempt to annihilate the native people, if not factually, then by an ‘assimilation on paper’.
Basically, First Nations are all sovereign nations and therefore, can admit whomever they wish, provided there is a registered familial connection or enough anecdotal data to back it up. (And sometimes, not even that, if they so choose. Adoptions happen quite often, as well, for those whose families may have left the reserve system due to fear for the lives of their children, or that their children would be sent to residential schools or sterilized.
There are also, Metis rights, which shadow Native rights in Canada, and these are based on having any degree of indian blood, with the fact that both canadian and US gov’ts did much in the past to sever natives from their history (like changing names so they could not trace their lineage), it is accepted that, in those days, people tended to reside in the same place with the same people for a few generations, so one native ancestor usually means that there are more, who may or may not have been counted as native in the census.
The Metis people, however, do not have a geographical sovereign state, as far as I know, but may, in the future, amalgamate with one of the several native nations with whom they have common bonds.

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knikgoose HUSSEIN!! justaskin(17:21:45) :

@ mhrt oregon”steve”:
I am positive I heard Obama say he was covering pre-existing conditions in the segment with the lady who had arthritis and her 72 year old husband had gone back to work to pay for her 12 prescriptions!

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Lulu(17:25:28) :

Knikgoose, thank you. I have worked some in Canada with Aboriginal Issues (as well as the US), and in Canada is where someone told me about the Quantum Card, but perhaps the person who told had obsolete information.

That is very interesting about Metis, the census and other First Nation issues .

Did you see the movie FROZEN RIVER, by any chance?

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Lulu(17:29:10) :

Knikgoose, one more question. Here in the US it’s the Nation itself who handles the CDIB card–at least it was in my case. And I then enrolled in my Nation after they invited me to join. So I guess it isn’t seen as racist here to have CDIB since it is the Nation who is governing itself?

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WV Democrat(17:55:35) :

@ Bill (12:42:14) :

You said: “While although Palin did push through our energy rebate, much to our relief for having such huge oil and gas prices here in Alaska while the lower 48 now gets a break in their prices I still paid close to $4 for gas this morning. $2068 of the $3200 we recieved has nothing to do with Palin, this other money is our Permanent Dividend Fund. This is money that has been invested and accrued after years of oil royalties. The PFD was established and voted on by the people of Alaska. Please be informed when making statements about this.”
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Sure thing Bill, we all know that. But even with West Virginia’s natural resources of oil, gas, and coal, we don’t get PDF checks because those resources are not state owned — they are privately owned. So Alaskans are still getting dividend checks not available to any other US state. It is still thousands of dollars per person with no state income tax. Most of the rest of us also pay income tax. So we pay and Alaskans receive. Then there’s all that pork! And I am informed.

I just don’t want us to take part in the fake stories and half truths that seem to characterize the McC/P campaign.

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Lacy Lady(18:52:35) :

Lynn—the way I understand it–Rev Wright gave that one speech that some could call racist against white people. But this is NOT what the man did for 20 years. Only this one sermon which I understand is on a C/D. The preacher served in Viet Nam. That is more than I can say for Dick Chenney who was deferred from service at least 7 times. And what I hear about GWB–he went AOWL. I read several articles about Rev Wright, but can’t quote everything I read.
But know that he did work to help the poor in his community. Found jobs, food shelter and got a lot of people off drugs. I think that is where Obama comes into the picture. He was a community organizer and set out to help people.
Then he thought he could help people more, if he ran for the Illinois Senate, which lead him to the US Senator of Illinois. He is an intelligent caring person.
This is the way I see him. Also a good husband and father. What more could anyone want in a man to be, in running for the President of the United States.
Being an elderly woman, I feel I have always been a good judge of people. I have been right most of the time. And I feel very strongly about the man from Illinois.

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knikgoose HUSSEIN!! justaskin(19:01:51) :

Lulu ;
The CDIB thing was set up by the BIA. (Federal organization)
In Canada, the Canadian gov’t likes to think it can control the First Nations in respect to registration, and will even tell people that they have to apply to the gov’t, but it just isn’t true.
The Canadian gov’t will also withhold information and blackout certain papers, if it means fewer indians.
At one point, during the 1950’s, the gov’t burned several thousand tons of native-based records, birth, marriage, death, military service, because they “needed the space”.
And voila! A whole bunch of people who look like indians, could swear that’s what mama told them,..but, there’s no proof!
Then again, during the First World War, if a native went to fight, he didn’t get the same rewards/pay, etc., that non-natives received on his return. Whether he came back alive or dead, he was, instead, “Enfranchised”. Meaning, he got to be counted as a white person , now. So, all of the records of his being native, were reverted to white, and his children were white from then on.
So, a whole slew of indians were no longer indians with that clever gov’t move.

As far as the racism issue, there are some US tribes who reject the CDIB for 2 reasons; racism and the fact that it is set up to deny future generations their rights to familial tribal lands. Once that family member is born who is less than the fraction ascribed by the BIA as not being indian ‘enough’, they are required to leave the reserve. So, eventually, by those rules, all native lands will eventually be reclaimed by the US gov’t. It’s not enough that people were shoved in jail-carts and hauled hundreds of miles from their traditional homes, but generations of people who have never been allowed to own land or vote, let alone build up a family farm or some other real estate based investment, would find themselves entirely homeless, not unlike the Palestinians in Israel.
Just another little trick in the “Manifest destiny” plan.
Some tribes go along with the CDIB because they’re simply afraid to do otherwise. Past history has shown dissent to be disastrous in many cases.
But others, (and I believe the Winnebago have just dropped theirs to either 1/8 or 1/16), have realized that the future survival of the culture and tribal nation is dependent upon that CDIB being discounted. Taking into consideration that for a long period of American history, identities were hidden, changed and re-arranged to make life safer or better for the children of natives, even if it meant pretending to be another nationality, this makes sense, otherwise, they stand to be ex-communicating people whose actual family histories have been eradicated due to the racist activities of a past era.

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Lacy Lady(19:04:13) :

OrphanAnnie–you might like to check out this web site:http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com
You may get a different perspective of the man.
Not on this site, but the fact that when he returned from VN, he left his wife and 3 children. She was in a terrible car accident and had many surgerys which were paid for by Ross Perro. She was left crippled and was 4 inches shorter after all of this. She had been a model and very beautiful. She wouldn’t let the doctors tell John about the accident. She didn’t want to WORRY him while he was being held in the Viet Nam prison. I have no respect for this kind of man.

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Lulu(19:07:43) :

knikgoose, thank you very much for that explanation. I also appreciated your detailed answer on the new thread about how SP was not the one who started giving the annual $$ back to Alaskans.

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InJuneau aka Wrangler Tractor That One Hussein(23:03:29) :

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C.Rock(10:45:11) :

Just got this email from Obama , Alaska Call Team

Every call you make to voters in battleground states brings us closer to that goal. You helped us hit our first Alaska Call Team Challenge of making 1,600 calls in seven days. Now we’re asking you help us make another 1,600 calls between now and the close of the election.

How many calls can you commit to making in the next 24 hours? Email me back and let me know. If you don’t have the time to sit down and make the calls all at once, you can print a list of phone numbers and make the calls whenever you get a chance, whether it’s between classes or while waiting for an appointment.