All you need to defeat "consensus-minus-one" is a single friend. Two
abusers working together (or an abuser and a patsy) completely break the
system.
On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:31 PM, John Ellis <neurofog at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Hannah,
>> I'm not opposed to multi-tier membership. I am opposed to asking people to
> leave after 11:00 PM when they are otherwise making excellent use of the
> space.
>> Also, when a Member blocks a Consensus item, the expectation is that they
> discuss their concerns and if they still feel strongly against it, then
> actually block it.
>> If a member is up for banning by consensus, they can't block themselves
> from being banned so its "consensus minus one"
>> -John
>>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:07 PM, Hannah Grimm <dharlette at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Personally, I think the new rule is great (and this is someone who is not
>> a member). I'm also just fine with there being a sort of "junior member"
>> state that is enough to be allowed in after hours, which should be easier
>> to achieve and does NOT have the right to block. The ability to block is
>> an incredibly powerful one, and it only takes two jerkoffs with Membership
>> to cause havoc and defend each other from attempts to remove them. We need
>> to be careful about handing that out; we've had issues with people who
>> don't really understand consensus blocking things in a way that is highly
>> detrimental to the community. I like there being three levels: visitors,
>> who need someone to accompany them, members, who can visit without a
>> chaperone, and Members, who can block and who pay (because paying gives us
>> a way of getting rid of them if they're ever late on their dues).
>>>>>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 3:37 PM, Alan Rockefeller <
>>alanrockefeller at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I suggest we keep the policy and perhaps expand it to all hours, but add
>>> “unless they are hacking something“.
>>>>>> Or add the language “consider not enforcing this on people who are
>>> clearly being productive.“
>>>>>> I love the idea of kicking out the bums and have kicked a more than a
>>> few out myself, I just hate to see a rigid one size fits all policy applied
>>> to people who are using the space for its intended purpose.
>>>>>> I worry that people who are asked to leave while being excellent might
>>> not return. That is not the intent of this policy at all, but it is bound
>>> to happen given the current language.
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