Posted by dahsdebater on 10/1/2013 4:11:00 PM (view original):I'm not rich and I hate universal healthcare...

And I still maintain it's distinctly unconstitutional. But I don't oppose it for that reason, some other modern changes are also unconstitutional but necessary. Gun control is unconstitutional and I think we need more of it.

But universal health care decreases quality of care on the high end on any number of metrics. Success rates of complicated surgeries are an easy one to look up - check out rates in the US vs. countries with socialized health care programs. It's no surprise the best doctors from around the developed world have slowly migrated here, one of the last places where they can make more money for having greater skill.

when I say rich I don't mean the top 1%, should have been more clear, I mean a lot more ppl than that. basically if you have household income of more than $100K/yr (maybe a bit more if you live in high cost of living area) then you are richer than most ppl and prolly have no problem getting/paying for health coverage on your own. truly rich ppl - those top 1-2% - also obviously have no problems there, but all these ppl do not have much incentive to want the playing field to be leveled as they do not benefit from it.

as to the drs coming to USA to make more, just eliminate anyplace in the world where they can do that and it solves the problem. greater skill should make you more money but only after you prove yourself, and it should not just be rich ppl who get access to those with better skill.

I'd like to believe that the government will reject the $16 Advil charge and work on that problem but does anyone think that will happen? If it does, it will likely be akin to the current system where insurance companies direct you to "in network" facilities to control costs. If you choose "out of network", the excessive costs are your responsibility.

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/2/2013 8:37:00 AM (view original):1. You must buy our product
2. You must use our product at a place we do not regulate
3. If you cannot fully afford our product, we will help you pay for it

So what is being subsidized? The kids at the AT&T roundtable can answer this one.

Your pronoun usage is confusing. Maybe intentionally since I doubt you really understand who is doing what.

I made it to work and back yesterday without the governments help. Liberating feeling waking up to a smaller government (while it lasts)

Federal government should ONLY be used for upholding the law (not making it), central bank, and the defense of this country. Nothing else. The states should handle welfare, pensions, infrastructure, education, etc.

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/2/2013 8:37:00 AM (view original):1. You must buy our product
2. You must use our product at a place we do not regulate
3. If you cannot fully afford our product, we will help you pay for it

So what is being subsidized? The kids at the AT&T roundtable can answer this one.

Your pronoun usage is confusing. Maybe intentionally since I doubt you really understand who is doing what.

I like the government shutdown and the fact that it's an inconvenience to some. Maybe some people will wake up, say "Hey, our system is broken" and then actually do something about it beside vote straight Republican/Democrat next time they have a chance.

Of course, that won't happen because the sheep have already decided who's at fault and it's the "other guy".

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/2/2013 8:37:00 AM (view original):1. You must buy our product
2. You must use our product at a place we do not regulate
3. If you cannot fully afford our product, we will help you pay for it

So what is being subsidized? The kids at the AT&T roundtable can answer this one.

Your pronoun usage is confusing. Maybe intentionally since I doubt you really understand who is doing what.

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/2/2013 8:37:00 AM (view original):1. You must buy our product
2. You must use our product at a place we do not regulate
3. If you cannot fully afford our product, we will help you pay for it

So what is being subsidized? The kids at the AT&T roundtable can answer this one.

Your pronoun usage is confusing. Maybe intentionally since I doubt you really understand who is doing what.

Maybe you don't understand because you're a dumbfuck?

Yeah, that's it. Good day.

I see that you didn't clarify who "we" and "our" are. Shocking.

Is it really necessary?

Seriously?

I just assumed you were being an *******. Do you really not understand? And that's not me being an *******, it's a serious question.

Posted by MikeT23 on 10/2/2013 8:37:00 AM (view original):1. You must buy our product
2. You must use our product at a place we do not regulate
3. If you cannot fully afford our product, we will help you pay for it

So what is being subsidized? The kids at the AT&T roundtable can answer this one.

Your pronoun usage is confusing. Maybe intentionally since I doubt you really understand who is doing what.

Maybe you don't understand because you're a dumbfuck?

Yeah, that's it. Good day.

I see that you didn't clarify who "we" and "our" are. Shocking.

Is it really necessary?

Seriously?

I just assumed you were being an *******. Do you really not understand? And that's not me being an *******, it's a serious question.

****, I don't think you do.

You: US citizens required to participate in ACA
We: US gov't providing insurance and subsidizing it
Our: Insurance provided by ACA