Wednesday, 26 February 2014

An examination of "THE PROPHECY OF GOOD AGAINST EVIL": Expose of Maestro Erano M Evangelista 3

Under the normal circumstances, I try to look at what Erano says and then write a response based of what I have seen providing quotes here and there, for time and space reasons. However with this particular article that isn't the case. Regardless we'll take a look at more of what he said

"A Commandment for AdamAnd the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, .for when you eat of it you will surely die." Genesis 2:16-17 (NIV)"the man" – was given a commandment, he is the only one in the Garden; he is different from the people created in the sixth day of Creation. They are outside of the Garden of Eden.

Is it true?God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground." Genesis 1:28(NIV) Maestro Evangelista says, God gave a commandment for the "man" - Adam. The decree is from God to Adam only, one on one. This separates the man from the people of the "first creation," he has a commandment and they don’t have any.The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him." Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name.So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field. But for Adam no suitable helper was found. Genesis 2:18-20 (NIV) He started to give names, meaning his intelligence and knowledge is increasing. God saw the man was still alone... "

Again, There is no differentiation between the people of the "first creation" and Adam. Adam was created on the 6th Day and was the first man. The command to be fruitful and multiply was given to man generally, but doesn't mean every man is obligated to be married and have kids, but that's another issue. The point is it is given to man generally. Also, Man was not outside the Garden of Eden UNTIL the fall of man, so once again, the "prophet" is once again in severe error.

"The Creation of EveSo the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh. Genesis 2:21 (NIV)"a deep sleep" - this passage can only be explained and understood in our present generation, The man was sedated, as he is prepared for a procedure that is similar during surgical operations in our time!Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man. Genesis 2:22 (NIV)The woman was created. This was another of God's special creations, unlike in the time of the 7 day Creation; “male and female” were created at the same time. Maestro Evangelista says: This is the revelation that God created the man, which we call Adam, and the woman, called Eve, to be apart from the first people of the world. We are fortunate, we are the living witnesses regarding this revelation, others who came before never knew about it. Adam is special to God, and the promise is with him alone, not to the people living outside of the Garden of Eden. "

Let's read Genesis 1 again:
"26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”27 So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them."

What Chapter 1 speaks about in it's content is WHEN the human race was first created, Chapter 2 speaks on HOW man was created, it is the same event told but giving details in a given context, how the man and the woman were born. There isn't a time in those two chapters when one human race is born and then another afterwards. I don't even know what he is on about when he says "this passage can only be explained and understood in our present generation, "

"To differentiate the First Creation from the Second or Special Creation, let us continue our reading:Adam lay with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, "With the help of the LORD I have brought forth a man." Later she gave birth to his brother Abel. Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. Genesis 4:1-2 (NIV)After Adam and Eve were banished from the Garden of Eden, they settled at the place where Adam was taken from. This was a time when the number or population of the people of the First Creation has grown. They had two sons, Cain and Abel.Let us read here:Now Cain said to his brother Abel, "Let's go out to the field." And while they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him. Then the LORD said to Cain, "Where is your brother Abel?" "I don't know," he replied. "Am I my brother's keeper?" The LORD said, "What have you done? Listen! Your brother's blood cries out to me from the ground. Genesis 4:8-10 (NIV)God knew Cain murdered Abel...Now you are under a curse and driven from the ground, which opened its mouth to receive your brother's blood from your hand. When you work the ground, it will no longer yield its crops for you. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth." Cain said to the LORD, "My punishment is more than I can bear. Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and whoever finds me will kill me."Genesis 4:11-14 (NIV)"whoever finds me will kill me" - if we are to follow the teachings of the religions that Adam and Eve were the first people in the world, who will kill Cain, his father and his mother? As it was mentioned, "whoever" - anyone or anybody that is alive then, meaning there are other people that abound in his time."

Quite simply, It is safe to assume that Adam and Eve had other children and that presumably their families had grown. Although scripture doesn't mention this detail, there isn't a problem. Incest WAS allowed for a time, but not permanently and Erano accuses "the religions" of adding to the Bible which he has no basis in saying so considering he himself doesn't even know what rubbish is coming out of his mouth. The Lemony Snicket film has much more coherence that the error ridden website of Erano I have been responding to in my articles.

"What did God do to him?But the LORD said to him, "Not so; if anyone kills Cain, he will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. So Cain went out from the LORD's presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden. Genesis 4:15-16 (NIV)“if anyone kills Cain” – indeed, there were other people aside from them in their time. "the LORD put a mark on Cain" - here again the promise of God to Adam is given again to his descendant. When Cain settled in the land of Nod, what happened?Cain lay with his wife, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Enoch. Cain was then building a city, and he named it after his son Enoch. To Enoch was born Irad, and Irad was the father of Mehujael, and Mehujael was the father of Methushael, and Methushael was the father of Lamech.Genesis 4:17-18 (NIV)Where did the wife of Cain come from? The priest, pastors and ministers gave the answer long ago: It was his sister, born from his mother Eve! They added that Adam and Eve had a daughter after Cain and Abel. Would it mean that the religions tell us that Cain committed incest? Let us prove if the religions’ teaching regarding this matter is true or not. Let us read in the Holy Bible regarding the third child of Adam and Eve. Who was the third child of Adam and Eve? Did they have a daughter after Cain and Abel?Adam lay with his wife again, and she gave birth to a son and named him Seth, saying, "God has granted me another child in place of Abel, since Cain killed him."Genesis 4:25 (NIV)The next child was also a son! The religions were wrong, they added again to the teachings in the Holy Bible. So, it would only mean that during Adam and Eve's time, there were plenty of people already living about in the world, though they are not that numerous as today. Thus, the doctrine regarding the story of Creation by the religions has been invalidated! The teachings of the religions are proven false from the beginning. How can we be certain that their teachings will be true up to the end?"

The mark of Cain, though we don't know if physical or spiritual, was a warning to all not to kill Cain or they would suffer a punishment more severe than his. The mark of Cain has no connection to Adam either, that is an eisegetical reading that is forced onto the text by Erano himself. So "The religions" are not wrong. There are certain details the Bible leaves out and doesn't include because it isn't necessarily an important detail that has to be there.

"To sum it up, the first creation, called of "men & animals," have no covenant and no promise from God. We are outside of God's Grace, we are Gentiles as called by the Jews. Only the descendants of Adam are within the Covenant of God, but that was before. God is making a new thing, a new covenant. How can we then partake of God's Grace and Covenant which were only given to the descendants of Adam? This is the revelation of Maestro Eraño M. Evangelista. There is still hope for us. Did the revelation regarding the "offspring of men and of animals" wake you up?"

This is the equivalent of smoking spiritual crack and essentially coming up with absolute nonsense. THERE IS ONLY ONE CREATION!!! Honestly do I NEED to repeat myself on what I have said on Genesis 1 and 2,? Just read what I have written above.

OK, You might think I am harsh in my comment regarding spiritual crack, but take Erano's points to ANY theologian who knows the Bible, loves Jesus with his whole being, who has some scholarly knowledge etc. Erano would be LAUGHED out of theological colleges across the board. again, read Jeremiah 31 in context, As I have said before, the animals are not made part of the people or the covenant, it simply refers to the repopulation of the land with men and animals and the two Kingdoms of Israel become one. The offspring of men and animals are not some subset of creatures.

"Again, the prophecy...At this I awoke and looked around. My sleep had been pleasant to me. "The days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will plant the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the offspring of men and of animals.Jeremiah 31:26-27 (NIV)This is the time for the people of the world to wake up from their deep sleep from the religions.

What kind of "people" are the "offspring of men and of animals?"Just as I watched over them to uproot and tear down, and to overthrow, destroy and bring disaster, so I will watch over them to build and to plant," declares the LORD. Jeremiah 31:28 (NIV) These people are considered by God to be without a promise and without a covenant that is why He saves none. Because we have not known the true God, we have suffered greatly through the times: wars, famines, disasters, plagues and others, but God is presently giving us a promise of a new beginning. All people will be united under the one true God. What other teaching have we slept over with? What teaching of God that we never knew because of the distortions of the religions?"In those days people will no longer say, 'The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children's teeth are set on edge.' Instead, everyone will die for his own sin; whoever eats sour grapes - his own teeth will be set on edge. Jeremiah 31:29-30 (NIV) The doctrine of "original sin" is not true. It was only used by the Israelites then. The religions made us adhere to it, because they indoctrinated us. In fact it doesn't apply to us at all! We have now proven that the teachings of the religions are different from the teaching and commandments of God: everyman will pay for his own sin; no other man can save some other person’s life. He himself will have to save it. You might ask: how?"

Christians do NOT use Jeremiah 31:29-30 as a proof text for original sin, it is not even a proof text against it or for it. Original Sin doesn't teach that man is not accountable to God, that is another strawman of what we Christians believe. Also Jeremiah had AWAKENED from a dream in the context of Jeremiah 31 and it's not referring to people thinking Christianity is wrong and turning to a prophet from the Philippines who fails the criteria of being a true prophet and again, the animals are not made part of the people or the covenant, it simply refers to the repopulation of the land with men and animals and the two Kingdoms of Israel become one. The offspring of men and animals are not some subset of creatures. Also in verses 28-29, rather than forsaking those people, YHWH is going to watch over them AND RESTORE THEM. The people being referred to in the context are the Israelites, not to the Gentiles, because scriptually the covenant was and has been made with the Jews and Jeremiah 31 in its entirety speaks not only of what Israel has had to go through but also it speaks on it's future restoration.

To all those who believe in Erano, especially those who have interacted with me in the past, Instead of saying "Oh that is YOUR interpretation, you are not the Prophet like Moses blah blah blah", Actually listen to what I say AND INTERACT with it. If you dismiss my understanding as incorrect simply because you think Erano is the prophet like Moses and I am not, that is circular reasoning and actually fails to address my point.

We shall continue the response to this particular article in the near future if the Lord Wills.

2 comments:

How can we listen to what you say when you are not the one whom God commanded us in Deut.18:18-19 to listen to about His words??

God said in deut.18:18-19 that we should listen to His prophet like Moses and if not God will call us into account

You cannot insist Jesus is the prophet since he was brutally killed and therefore what God said in Deut.18:20 applied to him.

That leaves you whether you like it or not, to prove yourself first that you are the prophet like Moses mentioned by God in Deut.18:18-19 before we listen and interact with your blah, blah, blah :)

Not only that with his exposition about Adam and Eve not being God's first creation he only showed that God's word is true from the very beginning-

Your statement "Quite simply, It is safe to assume that Adam and Eve had other children and that presumably their families had grown. "

How can you say that when the next child to be born after cain killed Abel was a male child - thus the question again

"Where did Cain got his wife? " and God even clearly said that WHOEVER kills Cain will be punished- so that only shows that there are already other people living during that time.

The difference about Maestro's Bible revelations is that he did not study the same teaching that you learned from your theologians -it was all revealed by God to him in the Bible thus God truly fulfilled that He will put His words in His prophet like Moses' mouth

More than that, his revelation of the name of God proved that he is the prophet like Moses.

Now since you are not the prophet like Moses then what you speak about God's word comes not from God but your own opinion only and therefore should not be listened to.

It's evident that you, your friend and your prophet have nothing to say, You still have not interacted with my arguments, you tap danced around it.

You don't have to have a statement in the text saying they had many sons and daughters, it's safe to assume they did, thus there is no problem. The other people were ADAM AND EVE's OWN KIDS who had grown up.

Quite frankly, If Maestro was a prophet like Moses, his revelations shouldn't contain so many blunders and errors.

Your comments on 2 Samuel 7:14, ALREADY ADDRESSED in other papers.

You have not refuted anything, all you have done is regurgitated old arguments.

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