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Almost all children now believe they go to school to pass exams. The idea that they may be there for an education is irrelevant. State schools have become exam factories, interested only in A to C Grades. They do not educate children. Exam results do not reflect a candidate’s innate ability. Employers have moaned for years that too many employees cannot read or write properly. According to a survey, school-leavers and even graduates lack basic literacy and numeracy skills. More and more companies are having to provide remedial training to new staff, who can’t write clear instructions, do simple maths, or solve problems. Both graduates and school-leavers were also criticised for their sloppy time-keeping, ignorance of basic customer service and lack of self-discipline.

Bilingual Muslims children have a right, as much as any other faith group, to be taught their culture, languages and faith alongside a mainstream curriculum. More faith schools will be opened under sweeping reforms of the education system in England. There is a dire need for the growth of state funded Muslim schools to meet the growing needs and demands of the Muslim parents and children. Now the time has come that parents and community should take over the running of their local schools. Parent-run schools will give the diversity, the choice and the competition that the wealthy have in the private sector. Parents can perform a better job than the Local Authority because parents have a genuine vested interest. The Local Authority simply cannot be trusted.

The British Government is planning to make it easier to schools to “opt out” from the Local Authorities. Muslim children in state schools feel isolated and confused about who they are. This can cause dissatisfaction and lead them into criminality, and the lack of a true understanding of Islam can ultimately make them more susceptible to the teachings of fundamentalists like Christians during the middle ages and Jews in recent times in Palestine. Fundamentalism is nothing to do with Islam and Muslim; you are either a Muslim or a non-Muslim.

There are hundreds of state primary and secondary schools where Muslim pupils are in majority. In my opinion all such schools may be opted out to become Muslim Academies. This mean the Muslim children will get a decent education. Muslim schools turned out balanced citizens, more tolerant of others and less likely to succumb to criminality or extremism. Muslim schools give young people confidence in who they are and an understanding of Islam’s teaching of tolerance and respect which prepares them for a positive and fulfilling role in society. Muslim schools are attractive to Muslim parents because they have better discipline and teaching Islamic values. Children like discipline, structure and boundaries. Bilingual Muslim children need Bilingual Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods, who understand their needs and demands.

Indiscipline, incivility, binge drinking, drug addiction, gun and knife crimes, teenage pregnancies and abortion are part and parcel of British schooling. These are the reasons why majority of Muslim parents would like to send their children to Muslim schools with Muslim teachers as role models during their developmental periods. Only less than 5% attend Muslim schools and more than 95% keep on attending state and church schools to be mis-educated and de-educated by non-Muslim monolingual teachers.

None of the British Muslims convicted following the riots in Bradford and Oldham in 2001 or any of those linked to the London bombings had been to Islamic schools. An American Think Tank studied the educational back ground of 300 Jihadists; none of them were educated in Pakistani Madrasas. They were all Western educated by non-Muslim teachers. Bilingual Muslim children need bilingual Muslim teachers as role models. A Cambridge University study found that single-sex classes could make a big difference for boys. They perform better in single-sex classes. The research is promising because male students in the study saw noticeable gains in the grades. The study confirms the Islamic notion that academic achievement is better in single-sex classes.

None of 7/7 bombers and British Muslim youths who are in Syria and Iraq are the product of Muslim schools. They are the product of British schooling which is the home of institutional racism with chicken racist native teachers. It is absurd to believe that Muslim schools, Imams and Masajid teach Muslim children anti-Semitic, homophobic and anti-western views. It is dangerously deceptive and misleading to address text books and discuss them out of their historical, cultural and linguistic context. It is not wrong to teach children that Jews are committing the same cruelty in Palestine what German did to them before or during Second World War. It is not wrong to teach children that anti-social behaviour, drinking, drugs, homosexuality, sex before marriage, teenage pregnancies and abortions are western values and Islam is against all such sins. This does not mean that Muslim schools teach children to hate westerners, Jews and homosexuals.

The demand for Muslim schools comes from parents who want their children a safe environment with an Islamic ethos. Parents see Muslim schools where children can develop their Islamic Identity where they won't feel stigmatised for being Muslims and they can feel confident about their faith. Muslim schools are working to try to create a bridge between communities. There is a belief among ethnic minority parents that the British schooling does not adequately address their cultural needs. Failing to meet this need could result in feeling resentment among a group who already feel excluded. Setting up Muslim school is a defensive response. State schools with monolingual teachers are not capable to teach English to bilingual Muslim children. Bilingual teachers are needed to teach English to such children along with their mother tongue. According to a number of studies, a child will not learn a second language if his first language is ignored.

The West has never been at ease with Islam since the Crusades. It is unfortunate that huge oil supplies lie under the Arabian Deserts. It is the West that stirred the trouble that led to 9/11. That attack was a desperate act of by men prepared to lose their life. We need to get to grips on who is the terrorist? On 24 November 1963, Lyndon Johnson said, “the battle against communism… must be joined… with strength and determination. Some three million lives were lost in the consequential battles. The US had to pull out due to Public Opinion. Communism lived on. So who was the terrorist?

The British establishment is wrong in thinking that Imams are to blame for extremism. Imams are not solution to the problem for extremism. Extremism is nothing to do with Imams. Extremism is not created from abroad, it is coming from within. Britain fails to help Muslim communities feel part of British society. Race trouble is being predicted by the Daily Express, because of an ethnic boom in UK major cities. Muslim communities need imams for the solutions of their needs and demands in their own native languages. Muslim parents would like to see their children well versed in Standard English and to go for higher studies and research to serve humanity. The fact is that majority of Muslim children leave schools with low grades because monolingual teachers are not capable to teach Standard English to bilingual Muslim children. A Muslim is a citizen of this tiny global village. He/she does not want to become notoriously monolingual Brit.

Terrorism and sexual grooming is nothing to do with Masajid, Imams and Muslim schools. Those Muslim youths who have been involved in terrorism and sexual grooming are the product of western education system which makes a man stupid, selfish and corrupt. They find themselves cut off from their cultural heritage, literature and poetry. They suffer from identity crises and I blame British schooling.

The shocking level of targeting of the Muslim community of Birmingham is indicative of the normalisation of the dehumanisation of the Muslims of Britain. Under the pretext of "extremism", criminal undemocratic and unethical abuse of public institutions and the Muslims of the UK can occur without much accountability. This pervasive attitude, especially amongst officials like Michael Gove needs to change. Our schools are truly trying to develop our children to do well at schools so later in life they are able to stand on their own two feet, but if we stop our schools from doing this than our country will have up rise of unemployment, benefit issues, crime levels high, I think its time for you apologize and allow practitioners to do their job right.IA

listen pal, the ones who carried out the london bombings were muslims dont matter where they went to school, the two clowns who killed Rfn Digby were muslims, the ones who were arrested for terrorist acts were muslims, and so it goes on, watch the video clip of the mosque in birmingham on facebook, and hear the imans telling the brainwashed people sitting before them to kill the gays, kill the kuffars etc etc, this is britain, it is english\welsh\scottish\irish by nature, if you want to live here then intergrate and mix in, if you dont want to and expect us to give you you faith schoools to brainwash your children, then go home repeat go home..Sick yes sick of your repeated posts on here, if you dont like what you see then go home, simples....

Iftie, You utter plonker! The headquarters of the London School of Islamics is easy to see on Google Earth. It looks to me like a 2 or 3 bed terraced house with no room whatsoever for classrooms let alone an office. Give up you plonker before we start taking the St. Michael out of you !

you haven't obviously watched that video on facebook of that mosque in birmingham, I think its called something green, there the preachers were telling the brainwashed to kill gays, kill the koffars etc, saying that they wait for the day when they will take over this land and we will then obey shari law etc, everything to everyone, but if you think like that then go home.....

The organisation to which Iftie refers, London School of Islamics Trust shares a home with The London School Of Islamic Psychotherapy and London School of Islamics Social Psychotherapy at 63 Margery Park Road, Forest Gate, Newham, London. E7 9LD. A busy place indeed! Take a look on Google Earth.

Now, according to the Charities commission website, London School of Islamics Trust was registered on 22 September 1982 and was removed as a registered charity (ceased to exist) on 04 October 1991.

This however does not seem to stop Iftikhar Ahmed from representing London School of Islamics Trust on every web-site and UK government portal that he can find.

Views like Ifti's are a cancer on the side of Islam. Unless Muslims operate to remove the cancer then Islam will become a cancer in the side of Britain. The British will operate, be sure of that. That would be a crying shame.

Oi! Listen mush. Old eyes, remember? I’ve been around the block a few times. More than a few. They’ve knocked down the blocks I’ve been around and rebuilt them as bigger blocks. Super blocks. And I’ve been round them as well. The Doctor (Night Terrors)

Idiots like. Ifiti will use any platform, the fact that he can post uncensored here keeps us abreast of the extremely dangerous garbage that is being preached.It's down to reasonable people everywhere to stop it.

Oi! Listen mush. Old eyes, remember? I’ve been around the block a few times. More than a few. They’ve knocked down the blocks I’ve been around and rebuilt them as bigger blocks. Super blocks. And I’ve been round them as well. The Doctor (Night Terrors)

Idiots like. Ifiti will use any platform, the fact that he can post uncensored here keeps us abreast of the extremely dangerous garbage that is being preached.It's down to reasonable people everywhere to stop it.

I spent a few days [again] reflecting on the content and methodology of Ifti's postings and I still think that people need to know about these opinions, however unpopular they might be. I reached the same conclusion when I refused to ban BNP members when asked to.

That said, I don't think TS is under any obligation to assist the promotion of any particular political, religious or ethnic group by URL linking to their various websites so we'll be removing those links. I might think differently if Ifti were to regularly correspond with other members, but he doesn't and his use of TS is solely to place urls in the www.

On balance it is probably better to know what Iftie is up to. There are others of his ilk who are busy quietly infiltrating various organisations so that they so take control of them. These are the people that need to be watched!

To use Phil's analogy, a cancer is most dangerous when it grows unseen.

I'm all for Ifti posting here, as he serially fails to make a logical or morally defensible rationale for his desires - and his views are exposed as a mixture of irrational chauvinism and self-pitying hypocrisy.

I'd sooner know about his views and understand them as far as possible, simply to be sure that, having witnessed them being cross-examined, i can judge whether its right to repudiate them.

Would anyone care to list the other threads Ifti has 'contributed' to, so that anyone visiting can see how he addresses or answer his critics?

Good or bad ideas either thrive or shrivel under the light of public scrutiny.

One thing is for sure, this kind of freedom of discourse or expression is repressed under the laws and religious governance of the vast majority of Islamic states. I wonder if thats yet another irony lost on Ifti...?

I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it - [attributed to] Voltaire... 'Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessita' - William of Occam.... 'You have a right to feel offended, but just cos you are offended doesn't mean you are right'

When you've been a parent as long as I've been a parent you realise that children need three bits to join for a decent education; Themselves, their teachers and... their parents.

It's a given that children learn to play nicely at school and they can only really learn that by mixing witha whole bunch of people ( a bit like life). So that's done.

if parent's have education desires not met by their child's school then that's where they, the parents, come in; table manners, dress sense, how to don a pashmina, social courtesy and.... religous beliefs and teachings.

All my Muslim friends send their children to their local state school and then to their Imam for extra teachings - that is not all - some Muslim friends send their children to a not very local fee paying school and... then to the Imam for extra teachings.Hmmmm... juts like my Catholic friends except they employ the service of a priest.

Why are Muslim schools oversubscribed? Why is there a demand for them from so many Muslim parents? People who are against Muslim schools have to first of all answer these questions especially within the context of a choice-dominated public sector agenda. The anti-Muslim argument is that Muslim schools are a form of protectionism that harm community cohesion. This led to the rather absurd suggestion after the riots of 2001 that Muslim schools were the cause of the problem (most of the rioters were from local comprehensives). Well, protectionism is as much a part of Muslim schools as it is a part of Christian or Jewish schools. The Muslim case is that Muslim schools are necessary because Muslim children feel confidant within them and they grow up therefore as confident citizens ready to participate in society. But back to the question of Muslim schools themselves. Those who advocate against Muslim schools still have to deal with the fear that Muslim parents have against some non-Muslim teachers. This is not unfounded. I have been shouted at, told to leave my parents (twice) and insulted whilst receiving my education. During the Rushdie affair, I was told that one non-Muslim from an educational establishment was overheard in a conversation saying: ‘Why can’t we just take these kids away from their parents?’ Quite. Anti-Muslim prejudice amongst teachers is well-known. This is why the recent suggestion by the National Union of Teachers to incorporate Muslim instruction into normal schooling hours is such a positive suggestion. If Muslims could get onto the school governing boards and acquire senior positions in school management (such that ownership is shared) then incorporating instruction (i.e. something resembling the madrassa) into normal schooling hours sounds like a fantastic idea. The madrassa model may need to be changed in order to do this, but it may help Muslim achievement in two ways. Firstly, Muslim identity becomes part of the norm (not separated off) and secondly the children will have more time to be children i.e. to play. Muslim schools at the most cater for a few hundred children but Muslim demographics mean that we need to provide educational solutions for the thousands. This suggestion by the NUT seems to offer a far more practical solution.

Ifti, has the exposure of the 'governors' of the schools in Birmingham, told us what is going on at these so called schools, or should we call them the new brain wash facility.. and can you just reply and speak to us and not in the quotes you are using....