Differences between enneagram types 2 and 3

I thought I was 3w4 because I do need to achieve stuff, but I'm not as phsycho-obsessive as the 3w2 sounded. But now I kinda relate with 2w3 What's the difference anyway?

I do like to give love, but it's never entirely selfless. When I care about someone, I expect them to care about me as well. And I need to achieve things and I expect other people to achieve things. I am gladly willing to help them if I think they would be willing to help me in the future. It's not because I'm a horrible person who always expects something in return... I just think it's unproductive and unfair for me to waste energy on someone who wouldn't care enough about me to help me in the same situation.

But when I don't achieve anything, I get depressed and I need to have one goal after another. When one thing is achieved, I have a new huge goal within 3 days.

I never entirely understood the enneagram thing, so where do I put the border between 2 and 3 when I like to help others because my achievements often involve other people.

I do like to give love, but it's never entirely selfless. When I care about someone, I expect them to care about me as well. And I need to achieve things and I expect other people to achieve things. I am gladly willing to help them if I think they would be willing to help me in the future. It's not because I'm a horrible person who always expects something in return... I just think it's unproductive and unfair for me to waste energy on someone who wouldn't care enough about me to help me in the same situation.

I read it but didn't find it very useful. It just confirmed that E2 and E3 are very similar and that the differences are in nuances. It's like trying to see the difference between ENFp and INFp without really understanding the functions. I don't fully agree with either of those enneagram types.

I believe everyone should be able to take care of themselves. (not E2)
People who try too hard to help others are sad people who should get a life (not E2)
Accomplishments mean nothing when no one knows about them (not E3)
Praise for work efforts never lasts very long (not E3)

Etypes are rarely directly incompatible with each other, it's a different sort of game to socionics. However, while it's not incompatible with E2, it doesn't suggest it either.

Correct. I didn't mean to suggest that it suggested it. I only saw another typical sign of Expat's tendency to jump to conclusions. He knows that if p then q, and he knows that q, so he draws the conclusion that p is true. But he often doesn't realize or ignores the possibility that that r or s might also entail q. So, he often ends up backing up his conclusions by incorrect logic, by invalid logical reasoning.

There was nothing wrong with his reasoning in this instance, unless you are jumping to some conclusion about what he meant.

It's a clear tendency in Expat's typings, even though it's possible to interpret his wordings in this particular context as not strictly implying the thought process I described. He would make fewer typing mistakes if he used modus tollens more often.

the differences between E2 and E3 are more and more complicated. I was hoping for a quicky-evaluation "Oh, you had misunderstood E3, so you have to be E2" or something like that. Just seems I'm not as clearly 3w4 as I thought.