This is a SHORT
interview with Zbginiew Brzezinksi, Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor,
in a French newspaper in 1998. Under Brzezniski and Carter, the US supported
the covert funding of the mujahadeen, the Taliban's precedessor, and also,
to a lesser degree, Osama bin Laden.

Everyone now
knows that -- but what is amazing about this interview is that:

1)Brzezinski now admits that
the US started funding the mujahadeen a full six months before the Soviets
invaded Afghanistan (the previous justification for funding the mujahadeen
was that it was to stop the Soviets AFTER they had invaded Afghanistan);

2)The
explicit purpose of funding the mujahadeen was to draw the Soviets into
Afghanistan so that they would get bogged down in a long, unwinnable war
-- "their Vietnam";

3)Brzezinski
believes that funding the mujahadeen -- even at the price of unleashing
Islamic fundamentalism ("some stirred-up Moslems") as a force
throughout the Middle East and Central Asia -- was well worth the price
of defeating the Soviet Union. Of course, he said all this a full three
years before the World Trade Center attack.

Now, as we give
$100 million to the Northern Alliance to topple the Taliban, we might want
to think about who our new found friends are in the war against terrorism
because they most assuredly will be our future enemies. All this makes George
Orwell's vision in 1984 look like a pleasant fantasy.

*******

How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen

Interview of Zbigniew Brzezinski Le Nouvel Observateur
(France),

Jan 15-21, 1998, p. 76*

Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From
the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the
Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this
period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore
played a role in this affair. Is that correct?

Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of
history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after
the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly
guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979
that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents
of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to
the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was
going to induce a Soviet military intervention.

Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of
this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into
war and looked to provoke it?

Brzezinski: It isn't quite that. We didn't push the Russians
to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would.

Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention
by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of
the United States in Afghanistan, people didn't believe them. However, there
was a basis of truth. You don't regret anything today?

Brzezinski: Regret what? That secret operation was an
excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan
trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed
the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of
giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow
had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought
about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

Q: And neither do you regret having supported
the Islamic [integrisme], having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

Brzezinski: What is most important to the history of the
world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up
Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said
and repeated: Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.

Brzezinski: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global
policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn't a global Islam. Look
at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is
the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is
there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan
militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more
than what unites the Christian countries.

* There are at least two editions of this magazine;
with the perhaps sole exception of the Library of Congress, the version
sent to the United States is shorter than the French version, and the Brzezinski
interview was not included in the shorter version. The above has been translated
from the French by Bill Blum author of the indispensible, "Killing
Hope: US Military and CIA Interventions Since World War II" and "Rogue
State: A Guide to the World's Only Superpower" Portions of the books
can be read at: <http://members.aol.com/superogue/homepage.htm>

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