The Hater Community was the first edition of this long-standing Community. Set up on the Literature forum, it's purpose was to provide a voice to those who wished to criticise the EU. Back in those days, anyone who bashed the EU was seen as a trouble maker, and they were often chased from the board by those pesky freaks from the EUDF!

When it was decided that clubs etc. were not allowed on the Literature forum, the HC was relocated to this board, where it has stayed ever since.

This is the third incarnation of the Community. We decided to restart in an attempt to attract new members here. The HC had become stale, we needed new ideas and opinions as we had simply said all we wanted to say about the EU. I would like to invite all old members back and I'd also like to welcome everyone else to join us here.

Oh, by the way, if new members do not join and this thread plummets then I'll have KN's head on a platter!

Purpose & stuff

The purpose of the HC is to provide a place for you fine people to rant & rave (coherently and sensiblely of course ) about what you don't like about the EU. Also, when discussion fizzles out (as it frequently will), feel free to discuss other stuff.

Of course, the normal JC rules apply here, so no flaming, trolling or spamming (check the Informational Threads forum if you do not understand these terms).

We have decided to do away with a hierachy as the EUDF have been purged from this board and a command system is no longer neccessary.

However, Kansas Navy, Spiderdevil and myself shall keep watch over this place and will effectively be 'in charge'.

Lord Bane will be the geezer who enforces our will and throws people out of the thread if neccessary.

I have a confession to make. I still don't have Star by Star. And actually, I really don't care when I'll get around to reading it. I've got a lot of stuff to read for my classes this semester, and a lot of novels of my own waiting on me. Star Wars is beginning to take a backseat.

Oooh I hate it when I try to d/l 3 minute songs and it takes 8 hours. I hate Metallica for killing Napster, truthfully are they not the biggest bunch of hipacrits in the world?

1991 Metallica: "Yeah were against the man, were Rebels"

2001 Metallica: "Mr Senator, this organization called Napster are dropping our salaries from about 10 million a year to about $9,999,999.99 it must be stoppped, pretty please Mr Senator with sugar dumplings on top."

You dont hear the Beatles complaining about it, they want their music to be heard, of course they had something to say.

I also hate the childish plots of the EU and the way EU writers try to undermine the movies by making their superweapons more super than the death stars, their Imperial dark Jedi (I thought the Emperor felt threatened by other force users) more evil than Vader or Palpy.

And Im only just beginning to re-release my anger.

Why oh why can't Timothy Zahn have not written the entire Expanded Universe it would be near impossible to have an EU bashers sanctuary then.

I'll tell you what I hate, I really hate it that people are so overly sensitive to things such as movies and books. They go into a theater, expect something epic, and get the Mummy Returns. Why can't people go to a movie anymore just to be entertained? so it wasn't Ben Hur...get over it. Honestly, I found TPM to be a fun movie, and yes, I do watch it from time to time. All this crap that the movie got becasue it wasn't A New Hope... Can't we just be entertained? Geez World, wake up, and stop being so uptight...

Exactly. I told one of the guys living next door that I bought the Planet of the Apes DVD over break. He looked at me and said "On purpose?" Yes, it doesn't hold a candle to the original, but dammit, I enjoyed it. It was a fun popcorn flick.

The only prequel books I've read are Shadow Hunter and Cloak of Deception.
The former is great, but the latter was really quite boring, IMO (too much politics for my liking).

Shadow Hunter takes place just before TPM. The basic gist of the story is that one of the Nemoidians who is in collusion with Sidious decides to betray him and sell details of his plans to blockade Naboo. Sidious sends Maul after him to make sure those plans are not revealed to anyone. The plans get passed onto some other geezer and a Jedi bint who end up legging it from Maul.

I really liked the book. As I've said many times before, it's worth reading just for the ending.

I can't remember much about CoD. I stopped paying attention to the story after about 100 pages. It just bored me to death. It too takes place just before TPM and it's basically all about Palpatine weakening the foundations of Valorums rule through various uninteresting schemes.

I don't hate Lord of the Rings, but I do hate how it has overtaken the JCC. Many people there put Star Wars down and say how great LOTR is. They are clearly not SW fans. My question to them is: if you think LOTR is so much better than SW, why do you post on a Star Wars message board? Perhaps you should **** off to theonering.net where your views might be more appreciated.

My personal view of LOTR is that it was OK, but far too long. I don't care what the justification for the length was. The fact is that as cinematic entertainment it was relatively unsatisfying due to its length. The story became boring and drawn out in many parts. And I really don't think it was anywhere near as good as Star Wars (many people have claimed that it is far superior, and I'm not talking about movie critics because they are just retards). The acting was better, but it was no where near as entertaining. Call me a fanboy if you wish, but that's what I think.

But as I said, this is a Star Wars message board. There are already places online to discuss LOTR so go there if you wish to discuss it.

And now onto things more Star Wars related.

I hate the New Jedi Order. No, not the series of books, but the actual New Jedi Order. There are various reasons for this which I shall type as they come to me.

OK, first of all, let's give credit where credit is due. Fair play to Luke Skywalker. As the only Jedi in existence with little help from anyone else, he has mangaed to reestablish the order (albeit a mutated shadow of its predecessor) and helped to ensure that they Jedi ways are preserved. I doubt any of us could say that.

Obviously, this is a hugely difficult task or just one bloke and given the circumstances, I think Luke can give himself a pat on the back. Maybe it even justifies him being a totally boring pacifist moron, but that's another matter entirely. Now while Luke may have done himself proud, his order is far from perfect. I have made a simple observation:

The Jedi are the Cast of Dawson's Creek!

Why is it that nearly every Jedi talks like this. "Hey guys, how's it going? You wanna go kick some Vong butt?"

No no no no no! Let's put things in perspective. This is an ancient order of disciplined knights made up of any kind of species from across the galaxy. So why, I ask you do they all behave/sound like American teens (with a few exceptions such as Tenal Ka and the Tesar crew)? Surely there would be a wide range of customs, speech styles etc. They all seem to be the same person. Many of the characters are rather bland and uninteresting and very forgetable. These are books. We can't see their faces. That's why the characters need distinct personalities to help us remember who they are. That's why I liked Anakin. At least he had a mind of his own, unlike Jacen who is just like Luke. Then they go and kill him off. Fricken marvellous! The lack of Jedi-like behaviour is especially evident in the younger characters. No, especially in Tahiri! Don't even get me started on Tahiri! Too late!

Where is the discipline? Can you really imagine a Jedi apprentice, a Jedi apprentice, behaving like she does? She acts like a spoilt, prissy little biatch! "I want to go on the mission with Anakin! He's mine! Mine mine mine mine mine!" And that pathetic rivalry in SbS between her and Alema. Please! As if being petty jealousies (I can't remember how to spell that just now, and frankly I don't care) like that would be on your mind when your stranded on a Vong worldship on a mission which could decide the fate of the entire galaxy. As if at the age of 15, trained all of your life as a Jedi, you would behave like a spoiled little immature child. Tahiri is simply not a Jedi knight. She never will be.

Let us pray:

Dear Lord (not me on this occasion),

Please make Tahiri die soon. Amen.

OK, that's enough hateful healing for now.

EDIT: Yeah I am back for now. And yeah, you can still be Philosopher of Hatred