101 Atheist Quotes

The following 101 quotes are some that I have stumbled upon on the web, or seen in books / popular culture. Each quote was either written by an atheist, or is about atheism in general.

The fact that a believer is happier than a sceptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality. – George Bernard Shaw

Faith means not wanting to know what is true. – Friedrich Nietzsche

I believe in God, only I spell it Nature. – Frank Lloyd Wright

We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes. – Gene Roddenberry

To surrender to ignorance and call it God has always been premature, and it remains premature today. – Isaac Asimov

A man is accepted into a church for what he believes and he is turned out for what he knows. – Samuel Clemens (Mark Twain)

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. – Seneca the Younger

Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned. – Anonymous

Not only is there no god, but try getting a plumber on weekends. – Woody Allen

If I were not an atheist, I would believe in a God who would choose to save people on the basis of the totality of their lives and not the pattern of their words. I think he would prefer an honest and righteous atheist to a TV preacher whose every word is God, God, God, and whose every deed is foul, foul, foul. – Isaac Asimov

Belief in the supernatural reflects a failure of the imagination. – Edward Abbey

With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. – Steven Weinberg

I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence. – Doug McLeod

The world holds two classes of men – intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence. – Abu’l?Ala al Ma’arri

Since the Bible and the church are obviously mistaken in telling us where we came from, how can we trust them to tell us where we are going? – Anonymous

I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires. – Susan B. Anthony

The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike. – Delos B. McKown

Two hands working can do more than a thousand clasped in prayer. – Anonymous

Atheism leaves a man to sense, to philosophy, to natural piety, to laws, to reputation; all of which may be guides to an outward moral virtue, even if religion vanished; but religious superstition dismounts all these and erects an absolute monarchy in the minds of men. – Francis Bacon

The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. – Richard Dawkins

A God who kept tinkering with the universe was absurd; a God who interfered with human freedom and creativity was tyrant. If God is seen as a self in a world of his own, an ego that relates to a thought, a cause separate from its effect. he becomes a being, not Being itself. An omnipotent, all?knowing tyrant is not so different from earthly dictators who make everything and everybody mere cogs in the machine which they controlled. An atheism that rejects such a God is amply justified. – Karen Armstrong

It is not as in the Bible, that God created man in his own image. But, on the contrary, man created God in his own image. – Ludwig Feuerbach

People ask me what I think about that woman priest thing. What, a woman priest? Women priests. Great, great. Now there’s priests of both sexes I don’t listen to. – Bill Hicks

All the biblical miracles will at last disappear with the progress of science. – Matthew Arnold

Blind faith is an ironic gift to return to the Creator of human intelligence. – Anonymous

Be thankful that you have a life, and forsake your vain and presumptuous desire for a second one. – Richard Dawkins

What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. – Christopher Hitchens

It will yet be the proud boast of women that they never contributed a line to the Bible. – George W. Foote

On the first day, man created God. – Anonymous

I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. – Stephen Roberts

You do not need the Bible to justify love, but no better tool has been invented to justify hate. – Richard A. Weatherwax

What’s “God”? Well, you know, when you want something really bad and you close your eyes and you wish for it? God’s the guy that ignores you. – Steve Buscemi (From the movie “The Island”)

As far as I can tell from studying the scriptures, all you do in heaven is pretty much just sit around all day and praise the Lord. I don’t know about you, but I think that after the first, oh, I don’t know, 50,000,000 years of that I’d start to get a little bored. – Rick Reynolds

Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish. – Anonymous

God should be executed for crimes against humanity. – Bryan Emmanuel Gutierrez

To say that atheism requires faith is as dim-witted as saying that disbelief in pixies or leprechauns takes faith. Even if Einstein himself told me there was an elf on my shoulder, I would still ask for proof and I wouldn’t be wrong to ask. – Geoff Mather

I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it. – Mark Twain

Of all religions the Christian is without doubt the one which should inspire tolerance most, although up to now the Christians have been the most intolerant of all men. – Voltaire

And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence. – Bertrand Russell

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? – Epicurus

I’m a polyatheist – there are many gods I don’t believe in. – Dan Fouts

If it turns out that there is a God, I don’t think that he’s evil. But the worst that you can say about him is that basically he’s an underachiever. – Woody Allen

A lie is a lie even if everyone believes it. The truth is the truth even if nobody believes it. – David Stevens

Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a God superior to themselves. Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child. – Robert A Heinlein

I refuse to prove that I exist,” says God, “for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing. – Douglas Adams

It ain’t the parts of the Bible that I can’t understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand. – Mark Twain

He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave. – William Drummond

Remember, Jesus would rather constantly shame gays than let orphans have a family. – Steven Colbert

Which is it, is man one of God’s blunders or is God one of man’s? – Friedrich Nietzsche

Religion has caused more misery to all of mankind in every stage of human history than any other single idea. – Anonymous

When a man is freed of religion, he has a better chance to live a normal and wholesome life. – Sigmund Freud

They felt that science would be corrosive to religious belief and they were worried about it. Damn it, I think they were right. It is corrosive to religious belief and it’s a good thing. – Steven Weinberg

Take from the church the miraculous, the supernatural, the incomprehensible, the unreasonable, the impossible, the unknowable, the absurd, and nothing but a vacuum remains. – Robert G. Ingersoll

History teaches us that no other cause has brought more death than the word of god. – Giulian Buzila

Atheism is a non-prophet organization. – George Carlin

We are all atheists about most of the gods that societies have ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further. – Richard Dawkins

A believer states everything must have a creator but fail to say how he was created. – Anonymous

“There are no atheists in foxholes” isn’t an argument against atheism, it’s an argument against foxholes. – James Morrow

People will then often say, ‘But surely it’s better to remain an Agnostic just in case?’ This, to me, suggests such a level of silliness and muddle that I usually edge out of the conversation rather than get sucked into it. (If it turns out that I’ve been wrong all along, and there is in fact a god, and if it further turned out that this kind of legalistic, cross-your-fingers-behind-your-back, Clintonian hair-splitting impressed him, then I think I would choose not to worship him anyway.) – Douglas Adams

Properly read, the bible is the most potent force for Atheism ever conceived. – Isaac Asimov

If all the Christians who have called other Christians “not really a Christian” were to vanish, there’d be no Christians left. – Anonymous

An atheist is a man who has no invisible means of support. – John Buchan

Gods dont kill people. People with Gods kill people. – David Viaene

If God were suddenly condemned to live the life which He has inflicted upon men, He would kill Himself. – Alexandre Dumas

Atheism is nothing more than the noises reasonable people make when in the presence of religious dogma. – Sam Harris

I don’t believe in God because I don’t believe in Mother Goose – Clarence Darrow

No philosophy, no religion, has ever brought so glad a message to the world as this good news of Atheism. – Annie Wood Besant

I refuse to believe in a god who is the primary cause of conflict in the world, preaches racism, sexism, homophobia, and ignorance, and then sends me to hell if I’m ‘bad’. – Mike Fuhrman

Faith does not give you the answers, it just stops you asking the questions. – Frater Ravus

Believing there is no God gives me more room for belief in family, people, love, truth, beauty, sex, Jell-o, and all the other things I can prove and that make this life the best life I will ever have. – Penn Jillette

Absolute faith corrupts as absolutely as absolute power but absolute power is corrupt only in the hands of the absolutely faithful. – Anonymous

Gods are fragile things; they may be killed by a whiff of science or a dose of common sense. – Chapman Cohen

The inspiration of the bible depends on the ignorance of the person who reads it. – Robert G. Ingersoll

When one person suffers from a delusion, it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion. – Robert Pirsig

I wonder who got the shit job of scouring the planet for the 15000 species of butterfly or the 8800 species of ant they eventually took on board Noah’s Ark. But at least we got that magical rainbow for all their trouble. – Azura Skye

I have no need for religion, I have a conscience. – Anonymous

Man has always required an explanation for all of those things in the world he did not understand. If an explanation was not available, he created one. – Jim Crawford

I am against religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding the world. – Richard Dawkins

What has been Christianity’s fruits? Superstition, Bigotry and Persecution. – James Madison

The characters and events depicted in the damn bible are fictitious. Any similarity to actual persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental. – Penn and Teller

If god is the alpha and the omega. The begining and the end, knows what has passed and what is to come, like it states in the bible, why do people pray and think it will make any difference. – Mark Fairclough

The finality of death is the coldest truth one must face. Religion makes the perfect distraction. – Anonymous

Religion is the opiate of the masses. – Karl Marx

If God created the world, then who created god? and who created whoever created god? So somewhere along the line something had to just be there. So why can’t we just skip the idea of god and go straight to earth? – Ryan Hanson

If we expect God to subscribe to one religion at the exclusion of all the others, then we should expect damnation as a matter of chance. This should give Christians pause when expounding their religious beliefs, but it does not. – Sam Harris

Atheists will celebrate life, while you’re in church celebrating death. – Anonymous

Animals do not have gods, they are smarter than that. – Ronnie Snow

I have observed that the world has suffered far less from ignorance than from pretensions to knowledge. It is not skeptics or explorers but fanatics and ideologues who menace decency and progress. No agnostic ever burned anyone at the stake or tortured a pagan, a heretic, or an unbeliever. – Daniel Boorstin

I have never seen the slightest scientific proof of the religious ideas of heaven and hell, of future life for individuals, or of a personal God. So far as religion of the day is concerned, it is a damned fake… Religion is all bunk. – Thomas Edison

Fundamentalism, of any type, due to its prerequisite lack of intelligent thought, could prove to be the worst weapon of mass destruction, of all. – David J. Constable

To really be free, You need to be free in the mind. – Alexander Loutsis

Most religions prophecy the end of the world and then consistently work together to ensure that these prophecies come true. – Anonymous

Jesus hardly made the greatest sacrifice. He knew he would be resurrected anyway. – Anonymous

Religion is like a virus that affects the behaviour of its host in such a way as to propagate itself further. – Jack Pritchard

Religions are like pills, which must be swallowed whole without chewing. – Anonymous

Today’s religion will be the future’s mythology. Both believed at one time by many; but proved wrong by the clever. – Steven Crocker

The Bible – A Fairytale book of rules brainwashing millions. Obliviously used to help create war, kill, hate, judge and discriminate. – Anonymous

Isn’t it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too? – Douglas Adams

Please feel free to comment on these quotes, and inform me of the authors of any I have misquoted or marked as “Anonymous”. There are so many sources for these quotes it’s hard to keep track of who really said what!

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I have read every one of these quotes and I have an answer for every one. I am a Christian. The persons who said these things assumed that they knew what all Christians and Christian denominations believe.

1)If god knows everything he should have known before creating Lucifer that he would betray him and his creation ‘the earth’.
2)If god knew that Lucifer would cheat man to eat the forbidden fruit
he would not plant the tree in the first place.
3)Lucifer was an heavenly angel that means sin was born in heaven.

Conclusion1:God doesn’t know anything and has no control over time,
which means birth of sin was his fault which he is unwilling to accept and and blames it on humans.
Yet he says his foolishness is greater than man’s wisdom,well then the price of his foolishness should be paid by him burning in hell not by humans.

Conclusion2:God likes to add twists to the movie “earth” he watches from heaven keeping himself as the final protagonist and Lucifer and all humans he (Lucifer) cheats as antagonists

1) God did know what he was doing. But what we forget a lot is that he is in total control. This was part of his plan for the world. If there had never been a fall, we would be perfect. If we were perfect, we would never need God. If we never needed him then he could never send Jesus to save us. (Also we are supposed to glorify him, one of the reasons we are here.) He couldn’t show his great love to us if we didn’t need it. It’s quite clear that he didn’t mess up. It’s all according to HIS plan.
2) Once again its God’s plan.
3) Lucifer had a choice. He could have followed God but he wanted to be God instead. God could have stopped Him if he wanted but he didn’t. He had a plan for the world and it involves the fall.
4) Your 3 conclusions at the end aren’t making sense… In conclusion 1 you said that God doesn’t know anything and has no control, but in conclusion 2 you said that God adds twists to the world which contradicts what you just said. If God has no control then how is he able to change things in the world. Finally in your 3rd conclusion you simply said there is no God which contradicts about half of everything you just said. If you could explain yourself then maybe I will have some answers.

It’s almost ridiculous to not believe in God. In fact, it is almost complete ignorance.

1. How can you even fathom everyday happenings like giving birth? I’m sure that sounds silly, but you must admit that is a miracle. The complexity of human beings can not be an accident. Don’t be ignorant, now.
2. You may use a rebuke referring to evolution. However, do you realize how SLOW evolution would take? Sure, whatever. Earth has been around billion of years. But, simple math will prove that if DNA ‘mutated’, or whatever, from a single celled organism once every hour, it would STILL not be as complex as human DNA. A supreme being must have been involved. And all the other species in the world would have to do the same thing.
3. Jesus loves you. I feel bad for you.

You saying that the complexity of human anatomy and the act of a woman giving birth is a miracle is the same thinking that made the ancient Greeks to think that the only reason the volcanoes erupted was because the gods were mad.

Your 2nd statement. About evolution. The fact that you “disproved” it with your little fun fact is based on the same line of thinking that if “I can not understand it. Therefor it was God”

People are scared, have no hope, and think that all they have to turn to in bad times is a God. I also feel bad for them. I blame being under-educated, brainwashed, and not confident enough to stand alone. I also feel bad that they are wasting the only life that matters in hope for everlasting life floating invisibly in the sky :( You are not alone, but I often fell the same way. I have 1 person who is close to me that is 100% on board with the way I think. Don’t change and keep educating yourself. Read the Bible and you won’t ever feel like you are wrong for believing how you do! lol

why can’t both of us live a peaceful existence with each other. atheists dismiss religion for being violent, yet they fight for atheism just as religious people do. And religion isn’t innocent, nor was it meant to be. i realize that living together in harmony sounds idealistic, but thats just my train of thought

All over the world, militant religious people are murdering doctors, blowing up buildings, killing journalists, stifling “apostates,” and doing almost every other cruelty that I can imagine because “God” commanded them to do so (and, by the way, from a scriptural perspective, these people are usually on pretty solid ground; it’s the religious “moderates” who seem to want to ignore great swaths of whatever tome they deem holy). Meanwhile, militant atheists like Harris and Dawkins are, well, they’re writing books, giving speeches, making people doubt, hurting feelings. Do not tell me that militant atheists fight just as hard as militant religionists. As far as I can tell, there ARE no militant atheists in the way there are militant religionists. Religious thinking and rational thinking can’t coexist because they are incompatible. The difference is that the advocates of rationality are attempting to nonviolently persuade their opposition to change its mind. The religious are content to use the sword.

You not Kayla you just happen to have an open mind. Fuck “God, the tooth fairy mother goose and Zeus” Yer all fulla shit. Oh BTW I deny the holy spirit again just so all you deluded fairy tale bible thumpin right wing murdering freaks can go straight to the grave and rot like the rest of us. You have wasted soooooo much of your pathetic pea brained life on a book of legend and lore. Get a reality life. Fuck…

There ARE more people like us, Kayla! Surveys are showing that people (in America) are pulling away from the fundamental christian faith and either are declaring themsleves atheist, agnostic, spiritual, or simply “none” when it comes to religion.

Check out atheist pages on facebook or google some local atheist groups. It’s nice to find others who THINK like you do…and not BELIEVE in silly, ancient superstitions.

1)Birth ain’t a miracle. You see when a man and a woman have something called sex there is the possibility of a baby forming.
2)Evolution is extremely slow, but think how man has evolved in the 100,000 years we’ve been here. Not physically but I’m guessing that 100,000 years ago they didn’t have the computer I’m using to type this message.
3)How do you know that
1-Jesus exists.
2-That he loves that guy.

“1. How can you even fathom everyday happenings like giving birth? I’m sure that sounds silly, but you must admit that is a miracle.”

Actually i’d say it was a standard event of which you know nothing, and therefore claim to be a miracle. You can’t go “i don’t get it, it’s a miracle” lol

“2. You may use a rebuke referring to evolution. However, do you realize how SLOW evolution would take? Sure, whatever. Earth has been around billion of years. But, simple math will prove that if DNA ‘mutated’, or whatever, from a single celled organism once every hour, it would STILL not be as complex as human DNA. A supreme being must have been involved.”

Here you simply cant fathom the sheer amount of time the earth has been around. I’m pretty sure it’s 4.54 billion years, and considering the bacteria e-coli has a generation length (for want of a better phrase) of 25 minutes, you’d be surprised how ‘fast’ evolution can work.
Again, just because you don’t understand it, doesn’t mean it’s incorrect.

Though even if it were incorrect (which by the definition of scientific fact, it isn’t), that would in no way suggest the existence of a supernatural being.

The main thing you should take from this is, even if we’re wrong, you are not right by default.

“1. How can you even fathom everyday happenings like giving birth? I’m sure that sounds silly, but you must admit that is a miracle.”
You say you must admit as if the belief of miracles are at the back of our minds. It isn’t. Just logic and common sense there. Going off the latter, when ants copulate and have a hundred babies at once is that a hundred miracles at once? Or a fish and their hundreds of eggs. Or the multipal pups wolves have a couple times a year, is that all miracles. Because newsflash buddy: we are animals. Not above them, not below them. Just because our survival tool was our brains instead of say flying or hunting like a cat or having quills that can stick out at will, does Not mean when we give birth, it’s a miracle. Just go take some science classes.

“2. You may use a rebuke referring to evolution. However, do you realize how SLOW evolution would take? Sure, whatever. Earth has been around billion of years. But, simple math will prove that if DNA ‘mutated’, or whatever, from a single celled organism once every hour, it would STILL not be as complex as human DNA. A supreme being must have been involved.”

My god! Do you realize how many millions of years it takes to make 5.6 billion? It’s a long freaking time. Evolution of course is so utterly complex the one guy who can answer your question in detail and make you feel like a complete idiot for using your arguments to try to prove a god exists, is a genestist. Go find one and ask. You will get your detailed answer as much as I want to tell you but I forget most of it. But there are answeres. As far as that one cell mutating from another being slow.. You seemed to have forgotten about the doubling rate. And how fast that number can go up. Not how slow. How fast. Just take a look at our exponentially rising population. Graph it and you’ll have an idea of how fast things can happen.

sorry to burst your bubble, but we are above animals. no,i’m not saying we aren’t animals, but that we are above them. we are the only beings in the world capable of metacognition, or thinking about thinking. we have the most devloped society in the world, and the most complex culture by far. we are above animals.

God is a omniscient and powerful therefore he too must have had a designer. And the designer was human and told you that God always existed. And you believed him. Because people never lie or write things that are untrue. And besides, you didn’t have a better answer.

hsander4… wow… fooled much?
1.giving birth… ya, it’s called SCIENCE – not “miracle”.
2.Yes, we evolved – you think THAT is less believable than “poof” a man and a woman magically appearing out of thin air? hahaha…. laughable, truly. And… if they had kids.. where did the kids of those kids come from??? EW.
3. Please don’t spew your religious psycho-babble at people who don’t believe in your mystical faeries. Seriously.

Giving birth hasn’t been a miracle since we discover how it happens.
Do you know how long a billions years is. If you did this wouldn’t be a problem.
Jesus doesn’t love you as much as you love yourself.

Don`t feel sorry for me you poor deluded bastard. Fuck your god, your holy spook and your fairy godmother. Grow up. This is the real world and wasting your little brain on magic is still a shame. But I know you`ll go pray to the invisible guy in then sky LOLOL. Good luck with all that bullshit but he ain`t gonna come save you when you need him… know why…. cause he doesn`t fucking exist moron except in your pea brain !!! Sorry fellow realists I just get so frustrated with their ignorance sometimes…

Your second statement in reference to evolution is completely wrong. Either you just made that up on the spot or have been misinformed. Please, please, please inform yourself about the processes involved in evolution before you discuss them. There are plenty of reputable scientific websites that can help you understand evolution.

13 that scoundrels among you are leading their fellow citizens astray by saying, ‘Let us go worship other gods’—gods you have not known before. 14 In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find that the report is true and such a detestable act has been committed among you, 15 you must attack that town and completely destroy[a] all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. 16 Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the open square and burn it. Burn the entire town as a burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. 17 Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the Lord will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a large nation, just as he swore to your ancestors. 18 The Lord your God will be merciful only if you listen to his voice and keep all his commands that I am giving you today, doing what pleases him.

To put this in Laymans terms. If one person believes in another god then you must SLAUGHTER the entire town. That is fuck up.

“God did know what he was doing. But what we forget a lot is that he is in total control. This was part of his plan for the world. If there had never been a fall, we would be perfect. If we were perfect, we would never need God. If we never needed him then he could never send Jesus to save us. (Also we are supposed to glorify him, one of the reasons we are here.) He couldn’t show his great love to us if we didn’t need it.”

Your line of “thoughts” go like this: A because B. B because C. C because D. So if D makes no sense, A means nothing. Let me show you:

“If we never needed him then he could never send Jesus to save us. (Also we are supposed to glorify him, one of the reasons we are here.) He couldn’t show his great love to us if we didn’t need it.”
I don’t need God to show me his great love to me. Why would I want that? And send Jesus to save us from what? Sin? So he just created sins so that Jesus could save us from them?

Then, there’s no reason for this:
“If we were perfect, we would never need God.”
Because there’s no reason to need God. We could be perfect.

Again:
“If there had never been a fall, we would be perfect.”
I wouldn’t hate being perfect, you know. Why would there be a fall?

“This was part of his plan for the world.”
Oh, yeah. Forgot about this “God” guy. The one who plans our imperfections and gives us all those problems so that we needed him so that we knew he loved us. Why not just tell us straight? I could live with that. ._.

1)you said”god did not know what he was doing but he is in total control”
is as ridiculous as telling i don’t know how to drive a car but i can control it.
now to explain your nonsense explanation:
man did not have common sense before eating that fruit so he would do anything that god told him that means he would need god in every aspect of his life and even keep praising him. So it completely ridicules your statement that if there never was a fall we would never need god.

3)You said”Lucifer had a choice” which exactly supports my statement that sin was born in heaven since Lucifer was god’s creation, here is the example: if tomorrow you create artificial intelligence give it the power of choice and then it goes rogue people would mock you not your creation

2)Jesus knew where he was going after death just as he knew who was going to betray him and who was going to deny him and how many times and when.His work was just to clear the name of that bloodthirsty,sadist nature god had in the old testament so even if i was Jesus i would do the same thing its nothing great.

3)And ya i agree it is all god’s plan now that he has lost those angels who praised him in heaven he wants all that praise from humans all he is,is greedy for praise and attention at any cost.

4) And the explanation for my conclusion are simple it is as Nando said 1 or 2 or 3 it’s my mistake i didn’t put the ‘or’ i am sorry.

5)Since you said that god has plans this statement also supports my second conclusion that is “God likes to add twists to the movie “earth” he watches from heaven keeping himself as the final protagonist and Lucifer and all humans he (Lucifer) cheats as antagonists”

So all the best in believing such a praised obsessed “TV network executive” kind of god. I would preferably not.

1)you said”god did not know what he was doing but he is in total control”
is as ridiculous as telling i don’t know how to drive a car but i can control it.
now to explain your nonsense explanation:
man did not have common sense before eating that fruit so he would do anything that god told him that means he would need god in every aspect of his life and even keep praising him. So it completely ridicules your statement that if there never was a fall we would never need god.

3)You said”Lucifer had a choice” which exactly supports my statement that sin was born in heaven since Lucifer was god’s creation, here is the example: if tomorrow you create artificial intelligence give it the power of choice and then it goes rogue people would mock you not your creation

2)Jesus knew where he was going after death just as he knew who was going to betray him and who was going to deny him and how many times and when.His work was just to clear the name of that bloodthirsty,sadist nature god had in the old testament so even if i was Jesus i would do the same thing its nothing great.

3)And ya i agree it is all god’s plan now that he has lost those angels who praised him in heaven he wants all that praise from humans all he is,is greedy for praise and attention at any cost.

4) And the explanation for my conclusion are simple it is as Nando said 1 or 2 or 3 it’s my mistake i didn’t put the ‘or’ i am sorry.

5)Since you said that god has plans this statement also supports my second conclusion that is “God likes to add twists to the movie “earth” he watches from heaven keeping himself as the final protagonist and Lucifer and all humans he (Lucifer) cheats as antagonists”

So all the best in believing such a praised obsessed “TV network executive” kind of god. I would preferably not.

you say that if there would of never been a fall, then we would have been perfect, and never need god, and he wouldn’t of been able to send someone down to die. How terrible that sounds. The way you put it, it sounds as if your god is an ego maniac. Creating suffering so people will glorify him. He could have choose to stop the devil but he was to lazy to, he’d rather let his creation suffer for his enjoyment. I think instead of showing his great love for us by sending someone down to die, the better thing would of been to stop the devil and let us be perfect. His conclusions were different situations, letting the user pick which one they wanted, they weren’t meant to be read as a whole, but as three different conclusions. Nothing he said contradicts itself, you are the on reading from a book that promotes discrimination, hate, violence against those who don’t believe what you do, and lies… many many lies. I could make a book about a spaghetti monster, and by your logic, it would have to exist, because you can’t prove it doesn’t. In conclusion, your an idiot.

God is man made! The bible was written by primitive men who didn’t know any better! In the history of mankind not once has this so called god acknowledged our exsistance! Why? Because God does not exsist! Never has! All religion is for the gullible,naive and weakminded! Science has mountains of evidence to back its claims! And the evidence points to evolution! Science may have gaps but in time these gaps will be filled with science’s continuing discoveries! What has religion discovered? NOTHING! Religion is stagnant! A BELIEF with no evidence whatsoever to back it’s claims! Religion is blind faith with billions of lost followers! Mass delusion is a major problem! How many people have been slaughtered by religious wars? All religion has a bloody past! And these religious folk support this?? hmm No humanity there! I really do feel sorry for these mentally lost people who need religion! I need no imaginary spirit in the sky to live my life! I’m free from the bullshit of all religion! I’m a good human being with many friends and a loving family! My children will not be subjected to the crap that spews from these religious leaders who THINK they are doing good! Long live science and its knowledeable info and continuing discoveries to show and tell us how we truly got here on earth! Down with all religion and its lies,deciept and lack of humanity! Science with its evidence,truth,reason,knowledge and continuing discoveries or religion with a belief?? hmmm Thank goodness for Science!

So…
1) If God existed before humans, why would he go through all that to create us? If he had total control, why not just create us at this moment exactly how he wants to? Implying that he did all this to get us to this moment implies he had to tweak it to get to this outcome, So he must not have total control.
2) Why would god need a plan, I thought everything he wanted just happened. If it doesn’t and he needs to plan things out, he is not in total control.
3) If god made Lucifer why would he create sin? If God is everything Sin and Lucifer is not, and God created both Lucifer and Sin, then god is both evil and malevolent.
4)Your 4 conclusions are showing your lack in cognitive thought and argumentative ability. Your second conclusion isn’t a conclusion, you just put it there to have something be there. And for the rest of your conclusion 4, he put that assuming people would know that he meant it was one of the 3, but obviously you can’t deduce simple facts, but now I’ve spelled it out for you, so you should be fine.

God created man with one of the greatest gifts: free will. Let me ask this: when we have children, can or do we force them to love us? and does it not break our hearts when a child makes a bad decision? yet we have children anyway. God created us to benefit from a relationship with Him. You have to remember that before the fall of man, we were in perfect fellowship with God as He desired for us. He created all of His beings, including angels with free will as He would not create a monotonous robot who was forced to love Him. Lucifer and man both decided to rebel against God Himself and against His design. henceforth there are consequences, but God who is rich in mercy made a way to reconcile us to Him and restore us to the fellowship with Him that was desired in the beginning. rather than let all of us run headlong over the cliff and perish, He sent Jesus to die to reconcile us and save those of us who were willing to humble ourselves and accept His way as truth. Since we sinned against Him alone, the reconciliation is on His terms. Whether or not I believe that Jesus is the only way does not matter. God made it the only way to Him, therefore it is the only way.

You guys won’t stop at anything to make god look good will you?
First of all the free will given by god you are talking is completely nonsense it is called an Hobson’s choice not free will it is an illusion of free will.For eg;”Everyday praise me do good things or i will kill you and burn you in hell”
Now example of free will;”everyday praise me do good things or don’t but i love you and i always will.
understood?
Now for your question about children.If my child is going rogue i will do things to make him/her realize the mistake not blackmail them to keep them suffering for ever.
And about God’s mercy,read the old testament and think for yourself.You say man sinned against god,but man did not know no what the hell is sin at that point of time he was cheated by one of god’s creation and god let that happen,he allowed those rebels to fall on earth.Now ask your self if one of your child goes rogue would you allow him to cheat your other child and condemn both?.God could have forgiven man then and there but after a complete history of pleasing himself with blood sacrifices he got bored and made up Christ.Obviously he made the only way to salvation in his manifestation of a nonviolent Jesus to cover up for his sadist nature.Yahweh and Yeshua are one & the same only the former is violent and the latter is peaceful.Yet god says he cannot change his mind(Numbers 23:19:- God is not man, that he should lie,
or a son of man, that he should change his mind.).Which brings me to the conclusion that either god made up earth for his entertainment purpose or god is unsure of his goddamn self,or the bible is purely fictional.
Becoming peaceful and loving from violent and bloodthirsty is definitely called change of mind.Don’t you think so?

Quote from you:
God created man with one of the greatest gifts: free will. Let me ask this: when we have children, can or do we force them to love us? and does it not break our hearts when a child makes a bad decision? yet we have children anyway.

My response:
“Free Will.” So, if god created human with free will to choose “right or wrong,” then where did wrong come from? Did it just appear, or was it something created by god? This god of yours is not so perfect after all. In fact he is the creator of evil(if he were to actually exist). Also, you are you relating human creation of children to gods supposed creation of humans..which only supports one of the above 101 atheist quotes. How about this: god should’ve never created evil and we would all be perfect. If he knows everything than he should not have created Lucifer, and sat back and allowed for the destruction of humans. The perfect creator creates imperfection? Perfection = Imperfection? Explain this to me please, without free will.

Quote #2: God created us to benefit from a relationship with Him. You have to remember that before the fall of man, we were in perfect fellowship with God as He desired for us. He created all of His beings, including angels with free will as He would not create a monotonous robot who was forced to love Him.

Response #2: He would not creat a monotonous robot, but according to your religion, that is what he desires from all men/women. He wants us all to worship him like robots and after we die and go to “heaven” to continue on for eternity.

The bible = We are all going to hell BECAUSE of a “talking serpent” who convinced Eve to feed Adam an apple…. hahahah really? Oh, I just thought of something. Did God condemn Adam and Eve straight to hell, or did he give them the chance of salvation?

If you were never taught religion, and it were up to you to think of how humans were created, THE LAST THING THAT YOU WOULD HAVE COME UP WITH IS god. It has all been pounded into your head, and since you fear death and consequence(of :O “hell”) you let it get to you.

Something hilarious happened to me a few weeks ago. I went into some christian store with my friend who was brainwashed. He tod the guy I wasn’t Christian. He kept on trying to explain to me that there was a god, and of course like all fantics would not shut up. I got a word in and asked, where do dogs go when they die? His response: nowhere. My response: same for you. He then said “Well, that is illogical – dogs don’t go to heaven/hell because they have no logic” …hahaha(what an idiot) I said “If dogs have no logic then why are they used by police men, or how are they potty trained or know tricks?

Oops, I for got to right one thing. The guy caleld my way of thinking illogical.. which means he is saying that like dogs, humans have no logic. So by his way of thinking, he just renounced that there is such a thing as heaven or hell(because it only exists for the logical) I know I’m not illogical, but I know by using logic that there is no such thing as heaven/hell.. You see, just like Christianity I can twist and turn things around. FACE THE TRUTH! You die and that’s it. If anything were to happen after death, NOBODY KNOWS!

Plz stop with your belief Lee! You have no evidence whatsoever to back your claims! Only a belief! And thats what all religion is…….a BELIEF! Your mind is poisoned with an unbelievable belief with no proof! So when you have solid evidence that can prove what you are saying then you can come back to this site and fascinate us all! Until then all you say won’t be taken seriously! We all know you will never have evidence so i guess you can stop visiting this site! Ha! I’m godless and proud of it! You’re friendly Atheist Shawn! PEACE!

1) If God knows everything (which He does) then how about you stop acting like you know more than Him. There is a reason why He is God and you are not. He is capable of things that no one else and nothing else is capable of. I mean that’s what a “god” is. A supernatural being that is all-powerful and all-mighty and completely beyond our understanding. Do you really think He would create our brains to be developed enough to understand every single one of His concepts? The truth is, we hardly even understand a fraction of them. So please tell me why it is that you think He didn’t know about the inevitable betrayal of Lucifer towards Him. Do you think He was scared of Lucifer? I don’t know about you, but if I were God I wouldn’t be afraid of a single thing in the Universe, especially if I were the one who created the Universe (which obviously includes the earth).

2) You want me to restate what I said before? Of course God knew that Lucifer was gonna do that! God has a plan for everything He does and it could have happened in any way He pleased. So just because sin was brought into the world this certain way, you’re all cranky about it and you’re questioning it. God is perfect, but that doesn’t mean His creation has to be. The reality is, God is God, and because He is God, He can do whatever He wants. You, along with the rest of His creation, should be so eternally greatful. You don’t even know.

3) Not only was Lucifer a Heavenly angel, but He was like God’s right hand man. God is constantly betrayed dude, not just by Lucifer in Heaven and Judas on earth, but by His entire creation. Every moment of every day, sins are being committed and God knows exactly when and how each one is going to happen. Oh and one more thing, how do you know exactly where Lucifer betrayed God? Were you there? I didn’t think so. Maybe if you read the entire Bible and in correct context, you’d be able to support your arguement a little bit better.

So your 3 conclusions are now irrelevant due to the inconsistency of your 3 statements above them. Sorry. But before I go, I want you to know one more thing. You wanna know something cool? Despite the fact that you’re hating on God (your creator), He still loves you. He hates the sin but He loves the sinner, and He’s waiting for you to come to your senses! It’s never too late to be one of God’s followers. He can use you in such great ways, so go live up to your potential! Dive into the word of God! Life is too short to waste it hating the One who loves you the most.

Up until about 5 years ago, I considered myself to be a Christian, even though I have had doubts/questions concerning God, religion, and Christianity for about 20 years (I am 35). It started with questioning, what seemed to me, contradictions within the Bible for example, ‘an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth yet we are to turn the other cheek'; ‘Judge not lest ye be judged yourself’ yet I sat through sermons telling us that all other religions are wrong…isn’t that judging? I always wondered, who am I to say someone’s religious beliefs were wrong?
Of course the age-old question of Creation v. Evolution,really stumped me. There is absolute proof of evolution, so what if God Created Evolution? Why was that such a crazy idea?
When I was in my 20’s, I wanted to rediscover my faith, so I delved into learning and researching religious denominations to see which had similar beliefs to my own…but I couldn’t really find any. I didn’t think God truly cared if I worshiped him at church or at home, in a dress or in my pajamas, if I wore makeup, or had tattoos, as long as I worshiped. I didn’t understand why paying tithes had to be monetary, why couldn’t I volunteer my time to helping others? I also do not believe God really cares if an athlete wins the game or if an actor wins an award. And why would a God of Love condemn people who truly love each other just because the color of their skin is different or their genitalia is the same?
During that time I also learned that the stories and people portrayed in the Bible were uncannily similar to those found in other religions and myths that were written/created before the Bible…coincidence? Just read about Gilgamesh, Osiris, Hercules, Dionysus, Odin and Attis…just to name a few.
It took a long time for me to realize that all I wanted was something…anything…to believe in, but God was not the answer. Now, I simply believe in myself. I know I am a good person whether I believe in God or not. I do not drink, smoke, do drugs, lie, cheat, or steal; I am devoted to my children, family and friends. I help others whenever possible and love people for who they are and what they believe in(with the obvious exception of murderers, rapists, molesters,etc). So, let’s just say I’m wrong and there is a God…do I deserve to go to Hell because I do not have faith and belief in Him, while others who go to church, call him their God, and pray forgiveness for sins they continually commit, are allowed into Heaven?
As I said before, I do not judge the beliefs of others…if it makes them content, then I’m happy for them. However, I couldn’t begin to count how many times a ‘Christian’ has become irate, belligerent, and belittling towards me when I mention that I am an Atheist, even though I was respectful regarding their beliefs. Perhaps this could be food for thought.
(Please keep in mind that these were all issues that I have personally struggled with, there is no intentional disrespect)

Finally! A person who pointed out all the things I felt when I first started to question religion. And somebody who isn’t trying to force their views on others, but simply explain them. Thank you! It’s refreshing to hear.

I’m so sick of hearing, “You just have to have faith.” I’m also fed up with people talking in circles. No one has been able to answer my questions satisfactorily and that’s just ridiculous. They have all that faith themselves but are unable to answer me. I’d LOVE for someone to explain the reoccurring names in Christianity and the various other religions and myths. I agree with the statement that the Bible will one day be looked at as a fiction book.

Thank you for this!!! For once somebody thinks the same as me. Throughout my life I thought I was alone. I was raised a christian, then a born again christian, but could never understand why they judge and condemn. And then you get the really whacked ones, who will give an explanation for everything that goes wrong in your life. Like if your child wets his bed it’s because there’s a picture of Spiderman on his wall.. Or he watched Shrek….WTF???? Oh and when somebody breaks into your house….which is quite a normal thing here in South Africa is because you have a evil spirit in your house that came in that day you bought that handcrafted wooden elephant, that some guy made to provide for his family… Sorry, but I don’t get it. Christians spend too much time fighting the devil!!! When I was a christian, I hated myself, I was a aweful person. To be honest…a pain in the ass. Why do christian place so much emphasis on what we all do wrong, instead of reading their bible and following the one thing that actually does make sense: Love one another as you would love yourself!!!!!!!!! That is it!!!!!! No matter what you believe, who you love or who you are…. Love is all that matters!!!! I am now the happiest I have ever been in my life!

Before I put forth my argument let me tell you an obvious point that you couldn’t grasp, 1)God is all knowing,is not my claim,it is the claim of the bible(Psalm 139:2-6; Isaiah 40:13-14)I’ve have put that statement forth, as a question, it is not my belief.2)About Satan a.k.a Lucifer’s betrayal it is in (Isaiah 14:12), almost every christian denomination and christian scholars throughout these years interpret this verse as to be talking about Satan’s betrayal.Hence, I put it as my argument, again it is not my personal claim.It is sad that you are not able to grasp an obvious point.Anyways coming to the argument.
1)Now ,nowhere in my first argument I have made a personal claim that ‘God did not know Lucifer would betray him’.I have put an optional conclusion, that may be God too doesn’t know before time what will happen, because if god is all knowing and knows something this bad is going to happen and he doesn’t do anything to stop it,and to add too it he claims that I am all powerful,all knowing & blah blah, then I guess somewhere along the line he is lying.Besides there are other two optional conclusions too.So please don’t put words in my mouth.Now coming to your ridiculous statements
“Do you really think He would create our brains to be developed enough to understand every single one of His concepts?”.Please tell me what is wrong if god gives us enough developed brains to understand every single one of his concepts,On the contrary it would be great and would help us understand god,his creation,and his so called love for us more better.Your second ridiculous quote “god is perfect but his creation necessarily should not”how stupid this statement is,if you make something with imperfections naturally the imperfection is because you are not that perfect to create something perfect.Your third ridiculous quote”God is God, and because He is God, He can do whatever He wants” Well I somehow agree that this is true, but then this god should learn too accept his mistakes too rather than blame it on his creation.
2)Talking about the plan of god,just look around the world and see how we humans treat each other, murder,war,rape & every possible bad action.Now I would personally call all these actions an example of submitting to animal instincts,since I till now, consider that man has EVOLVED from animals and thus some of their traits,we have carried forward,but this would be a complete different debate.But now coming too the point, according to your god’s plan all these actions are a result of Adam’s disobedience which is a result of Satan’s betrayal who was created by your god.Hmmm…….great PLAN!!.So yes according to this plan I am cranky about sin being brought into this world,because according to me how ridiculous and stupid this plan is.Let me ask you a question,If You are all knowing & all powerful,you have two kids,one of them goes rogue and you already know the kid is going to go rogue and you already know that this rogue kid is going to go and harm your another innocent kid who doesn’t know what is right or wrong,what would you do?
3)I have already given my explanation above for bringing up the Lucifer story.

Reading your explanations It seems to me that it agrees with my second conclusion that it is all god’s plan,but unfortunately for his personal entertainment,and I wouldn’t agree that an entity like this is worthy to be called GOD .Though how obviously stupid this god’s plans seems when observed closely,you try to make it look better by saying that we are not wise enough to understand how god’s plan is good THUS it cannot be bad.
And about your COOL thing that god hates sins but loves the sinner.I will believe in him and love him and praise him for eternity if only, after I die and then know that he actually exists,if he is truly unconditionally loving he will forgive me.But according to your Bible your unconditionally loving god will bless me with torment for eternity(infinitely) in comparison for a finite amount of sins and disbelief in him.And just tell me if babies die where do they go ?

So you support oppression of women? You support slavery? You support beating your wife and saying it’s ok because the bible says it’s ok? You support the killing of your children when they don’t listen and misbehave? You support the killing of gays and lesbeins?You support all the bloody holy wars that are printed in this book?!?! These are only some of the horrors in the bible you silly christians cherish so dearly! Where is the humanity in hating your fellow human being? Why do you all cherry pick the good in the bible and ignore the bad? You either support your faith fully or you don’t…so which is it?If you do support this then you support hatred to your fellow human being!SHAME! I dare any christian to answer these questions! That is how we atheists know that the bible was written by primitive,homo phobic,woman hating,reason denying,narrow minded power hungry men! Well that and common sense! But common sense is not so common in the religious world is it?!?! I know you will all ignore what I posted and then go on believing in your imaginary god! Shame on all religion! (I have no reason and no intention to “respect” a religion that violates basic human rights!!) And that’s every religion out there! Notice that the bad outweighs the good in the bible?!?! So what christians are saying is that a god from the spirit world came and created everything in reality world and then left 0% proof of what he or she or it did? Only a weak minded moron would believe this bullshit! Spirituality or reality? I for one choose reality! Science has mountains of evidence to back its claims! Science may have gaps but at least it makes sense!We don’t believe the discoveries…we know the discoveries! These gaps will be filled with future discoveries! What has any religion discovered? That’s right….NOTHING!All religion is stagnant!What does any religion have?…..A BELIEF!No facts….just a BELIEF! So you silly religious folk keep on believing and leave the facts,reason,discoveries and future discoveries of science to science! Religion used to believe the earth was the centre of the universe…science proved that wrong! Religion thought free thinking women were witches! Science proved that wrong!Religion thought prayer healed the sick! Science proved that wrong!Religion thinks the earth is thousands of years old! Science proved that wrong as well!We all know the earth is hundreds of millions if not billions of years old! I could go on but i think you get where i’m coming from! How many discoveries will it take religious folk to realize that all religion is bullshit?? I can’t wait to here your lame ass excuses on this post! Yes i’m an atheist and damn proud of it! God,Satan,Jesus,Angels,miricles are all nothing but man made crap to keep the gullible,naive,narrow minded people in line! And it worked…HaHa That’s right I point stare and laugh at all religious folk! Every religion sucks the common sense and reason right out of reality! Wake up and smell the truth you silly faith heads! Here’s something no religion can dare say…..(“PEACE TO ALL HUMANS”!) Have a nice day you mass delusioned religious folk! Oh I think Jesus did exsist and he did have a following and he was a prophet but he was man,but the council of nicea made him out as a devine being and not human! Just so they could have a religion for all the masses to follow! Notice how rich your religious leaders are? Why don’t they don’t take their riches to feed the hungry but leave it to the masses instead to do? The money they have would feed millions! But they choose to stay greedy! Ok i’m done here! Like i said before….I can’t wait to hear your excuses on this post i just put here! PEACE!

Believer?…..Ever thing you just said is baised on a belief with no proof what so ever! Science is what makes sense….not some imaginary sky god! Atheists can’t take the bible seriously because there is so much hate and unbelieveable stories that come from it! The bible was written by angry,power hungry,homo phobic,woman hating,child killing,reason denying,daughter selling,men who didn’t know any better! Your bible says it’s ok to beat your wife,kill gays and lesbeins,beat or kill your children if they misbehave! You live in a fantasy world where your bible stories come from! If you support your bible then you support hate towards your fellow human beings! Noahs ark? Really? Jonah spent 3 days inside the belly of a whale and lived? Really? Moses parted the red sea? really? Those are only some of the horrors and way out there stories that make no sense! You need to wake up and question your silly faith! Check out your bible for the horror stories ok? There’re in there for you to find! If you did find them before then why do you choose to ignore them! You can’t cherry pick only the good in this bible book of faire tales and leave out the bad!And the bad outweighs the good! You either support your faith fully or you don’t! So which is it? God,Satan, Angels,miricles onlt exsist in the minds of those who believe! Spirituality or reality? I for one choose reality! Why don’t you? Plz come back and make some sense! I dare you! That’s some loving imaginary god you have there! Don’t worry…..all religion including the Muslim and Jewish faith is complete bullshit! You need to read more science,geology.cosmology,astronomy….you know….the things that are real! I invite anyone to a debate on these issues! ANY ONE! All religion…all gods….were man made to control the gullible,and naive! Time to wake from your delusional state and come back to reality! Here’s something no religion can say…but we atheists sure can! PEACE TO ALL HUMANS! I’ll be waiting for any comment from any faith head out there to debate these things! Until then you mass delusional religious folk!

Logic…. Logic?
Is it logical that there is a place called heaven? I don’t know if you have ever seen a picture of outer space but there isn’t anything anywhere except some planets, a sun, and a few billion stars everywhere. Not to mention, you’re talking about a being we can’t see, hear, smell, feel, or taste so how can something like that exist?

religious people basicaly fight to see who has the best imaginary friend! two hands working can do way more than a thousand hands clasped in prayer! I am athiest and I dont tend to show it but when people begin to try and make it look like it is us who are deluded and uneducated i must piont out it is quite the opposite!

very original fag…got it from atheist quotes? yeah nice. and you forget that religious people never confronted atheists, and if they did, it was just as much as atheists confronted religion and said that religion was blind and all who followed were misled. koowie is right.

There is no logic in believing! In the history of mankind not once has this so called god acknowledged humans exsistince! Why? Because all gods in human history were man made including your imaginary god! Tell me…Before christianity exsisted what happened to all the souls that lived and died believing in Ra or Thor,Zuess,and so on?! Remember these are gods before people believed in before the god you know of today even exsisted in the minds of anyone on earth! You see?…..All religion makes no sense! At least science has EVIDENCE to back its claims! What has any religion have? A belief! No fact….just a belief! Down right sad! You silly faith head! Wake up and realize the truth! It’s called science,astronomy,cosmology,biology…you know….the things that are real! How childish a belief is! You should be ashamed! DUMB ASS!

Logic being the basis of religious belief has got to be the dumbest thing i ever heard. The entire idea to have faith is to believe in something that is completely made up. I dont have to have faith that my car has 4 tires, i dont have to have faith that my hand has 5 fingers. I HAVE to have faith that somewhere out there is a boogie man with a scorecard, keeping track of how many times i j&*^ed off or whether i gave enough charity.

The definition, faith being the irrational belief in something that cannot be proven logically – a more fitting description of religion is hard to come by.

Very simply if religion proved ANY results
-We would all be of one (true) religion
-The all merciful “God” wouldnt be killing millions of people every day to starvation and disease (some who have never heard of him)
– The Bible wouldnt be the biggest collection of mumbojumbo the world has ever seen
-We would see the prayer has a REAL effect on ACTUAL lives (whywontgodhealamputees.com)

Too many more to name here.

Nothing sadder than a religious person who “feels bad” for us athiests because we dont share their imaginary friend with them.

faith is not irration belief in something that cant be proven wrong. faith is belief in someone or something without proof. get ur definition right. and if religion PROVED anything, we wouldnt need faith dumbass.

Faith is a belief! Belief is a faith! That’s the only fact here! No proof whatsoever! That’s the problem with religion….there are no facts…..just a belief! Down right silly and sad! Remember….all religion was and is MAN MADE! Now that’s a fact!

Examine the secular evidence of the Bible’s account in 33AD. Josephus and Tacitus (both Roman secular historians) had some interesting things to say about Jesus and what happened in 33AD (being earthquakes and the sky turning dark) at the time of Jesus’ crucifixion. The Bible is also the most historically accurate book ever written with more manuscripts in support of it. (over 5000)

Theist student;no sir,you are wrong sir according to science cold and darkness don’t exist they are just the absence of light and heat,light can intensify,heat can grow but can darkness intensify can there be more cold than absolute zero temperature.So just like darkness and cold evil is the absence of god.

The Science professor shut his mouth.

Then from above the god of the bible lifted the theist and told him you are WRONG!! haven’t you read (Isaiah 45:7).

“I form the light, and create DARKNESS : I make peace, and create EVIL: I the Lord do all these things.” (Isaiah 45:7)

Theist student;no sir,you are wrong sir according to science cold and darkness don’t exist they are just the absence of light and heat,light can intensify,heat can grow but can darkness intensify can there be more cold than absolute zero temperature.So just like darkness and cold evil is the absence of god.

The Science professor shut his mouth.

Then from above the god of the bible lifted the theist and told him you are WRONG!! haven’t you read (Isaiah 45:7).

“I form the light, and create DARKNESS : I make peace, and create EVIL: I the Lord do all these things.” (Isaiah 45:7)

I can answer everything too. That doesn’t mean my answer’s make any sense. You assume that you know, that they assume to know what all Christians and Christian denominations believe. “Assumptions killed the cat” lets not be a hypocrite now okay =^) and good luck with the whole “God” thing..if it makes you a be a righteous person then good deal.

“Remember, Jesus would rather constantly shame gays than let orphans have a family. – Steven Colbert”

I think you kind of shoot your cause in the foot when you use quotes from a comedian out of context. And fun fact: Colbert teaches Sunday School.

Also I hope this verbal masturbation of yours has made you feel better about your life and I hope you have convinced yourself that your right. Because that’s the only reason anyone does anything like this.

In the (paraphrased) words of the Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams when interviewed by Richard Dawkins for the recent mini-series on Darwin: “Well it’s more poetic language than a statement of fact” (on the bible).

And saying that Stalin was bad because he was an atheist is ABSURD…there are a lot of people in history that have committed crimes in the name of religion (Crusades, Witch hunts, Jihad, etc) These acts were committed because people belonged to a certain faith.

I challenge you to show me events in history that have taken place in the name of atheism…

It’s funny that you should say that because Atheism is the belief of nothing, so you think that ‘faith’ is the actual enemy. We place our faith in things all the time, even in the Atheist’s Holy Grail, SCIENCE. You put faith in a seat belt, not knowning if it will break, you put faith roads that should not crumble, faith is and will always be, what makes us different from the other monkey’s in the zoo.

That faith is based on fact, evidence and experimentation: seat belt may break, but in (I forget the exact figure) 2,350,345 cases to one failure, it will work. That’s the result of reasoned observation and testing. Religion – all religions – do not stand up to any fact, evidence or observation. Science is based on real world observation and testing therefore it is quite acceptable to put faith in it’s conclusions. However, this is something of a false line as etymologically speaking religious faith and this form of faith are distinctly different.

We put faith in seatbelts and roads to work properly because they are tangible things subjected to rigourous scientific testing, engineering. Yes they sometimes fail or crumble but the reasons can be specifically determined and corrected. It has long since been determined all the reasons why religion or blind faith has failed, yet nothing has been done to correct this. oh wait, there has been: atheism.

I think that you misconstrue faith in this sense, we are making an informed decision based on science during our daily activity. We know that the chance that the seat belt will not break is minuscule due to the testing, the regulatory agencies and other institutions. The things that we place “faith” on is tangible and any individual and verify the information if necessary.

in religion this is not the case, e.g the bible says that God is a supreme being and thus humans cannot possibly comprehend his/her nature. It is thing kind of blind faith that leads to so much bloodshed, irrational behavior and stifles curiosity.

I am sorry to say that animals also exhibit faith in your sense, imagine a dog and its owner. The dog has faith that the owner will not mix in poison with the daily portion of dog food. So TomWaitsFan, I really don’t see your point.

Paveen, half of the list is about crimes in the name of religion. That’s why I had to mention crimes in the name of atheism. And you dismissed even the idea that Stalin’s crimes had something to do with atheism. What did you use to support your argument? Only capitalization…

I am sorry but what proof do you have that Stalin committed his crimes because he was an atheist (i don’t even know if he..) I will give one simple reason why Stalin committed his crimes, to consolidate political power.

I would like to hear your argument about how Stalin committed his crimes in the name of atheism (tried not to use capitalization this time :) )

Didn’t the crusades have something to do with political power? Yes. But the masses were led in the name of God. Stalin led people in the name of atheism (and some other things). In the real world no idea is nice and clean.

Huh? Crusades were called by the church not kings of countries. I ask you to show me one source which claims Stalin led people in the name of atheism…I am sorry to say that atheism is hardly the motivating force as the religions of the world such as Christianity, Islam, etc.

You cannot say that people committed actions (good or bad) because of religion unless it was in the name of the religion. According to your argument, Christians commit the most murders, rapes, etc because they make the largest group of people on earth.

Since people kill in the name of the crusades or jihad, the religion gets the blame.

the crusades were in fact political at the time the byzantine emporer called on the catholic church to reclaim the area that is now israel calling it the holy land as a false pretense to get the catholic churches help

Atheism deserves the same treatment? Do you even understand what you are saying? It would be the same thing as to judge two people in the same way, even though one of them killed a lot of innocent people, simply because they had a different opinion and didint want to believe that some invisible guy Lary (aka Jesus) loves him, and will love them only if they bevieve in him(aka religion) and the other who says he doesnt believe in his imaginary friend (aka atheism). Kill or do whatever for atheism wuold be the same as to kill for the cake made of lie(aka god). It is simply doesnt make any sence. Lets say religious people believe in cake. They say ”I do things because cake wants me to do them”. But then you look from atheist point of view he doesnt say ”I do things because there is no cake” , he says ”I do things because its what I want” eventhough its not always good for others. Afterall, if that supreme god wuold exist he could kill us by himself in any wais he wuold want to, but you see, it is like trolling. It is funny because everyone who believes in that cake are fighting to those who dont give a sh*t about that cake and not because they dont tolerate lactosis but because the cake is a lie who was created by a troll(aka human).

And just to be clear: I am not an atheist, but I dont believe in any religion, I just have my own opinion of god and the god in my mind is different than in other other religion. EVENTOUGH I DO NOT HATE, JUDGE OR FEEL SORRY FOR RELIGIUOS PEOPLE OR ATHEISTS, I DONT THINK THEY ARE STUPID OR THAT I AM BETTER IN ANY WAY, I just dont give a sh*t what you believe and what not. My mother is catholic. She goes to church and prays everyday, but she also says that there is no better thing as science and knowledge(yes I know it might sound like a fairytale for somebody, but it is true), everytime something good happens she says that good helped her to do the right choise, helped her deside, but not by saying exactly what to do, but by helping to remember or just calm down and think in clear mind. Im not judging her and not because she is my mother, its because for me it actually doesnt matter who or what she believes as long as she is a good and loving person and her belief doesnt hurt anyone. She never said anything bad about atheism or any other religion. In her opinion ”religious sence comes with age and it doesnt matter how smart and intelligent you are”.

In my opinion, when you have true friends and loving family there is no space left for god in your heart, simply because you dont need one. God comes then you need it most, when you are all alone. He is that imaginary friend but this time you are not only one who believes in it. And then hard times pass god stays in your mind and heart. But not that biblical or any other god full of sh*t. Thinking that god is exactly the same as in bible or any other religious literature would be the same as having an opinion on somebody you dont know and never met, but have heard abot him from other people who have heard it from other people and so on. So dont be surprised when in afterlife(if such thing exist) the god would be nothing you have imagined and dont give a sh*t who you believed, but will love you only because you loved others or sends you back to earth so that you could learn some respect for others and dont be judging others because you dont understand they culture, lifestyle, choises or faith(as long as those things are harmless for you and others, and by others I mean everyone, including animals, plants, rivers and all those things around you) If god would want us to worship him he would say so, but he doesnt need that sh*t and lies because you afraid of eternal suffering. Gods presence is perfect itself and it doesnt need your prays and faith full of fear to corrupt it.

The last thing I wanted to say that in like 500 or more years all this religious bullsh*t will be treated as a myth, the biggest conspiracies in history or there wont be any humans left on this little planet either for religious wars or because of your supreme and ”loving” god will show how much he loves everyone of us.

*(Sorry for my bad english and word sh*t mentioned to many times. Again, I dont want to offend or insult anyone, any religion or atheists. It is just my point of view and my opinion, if you dont agree with it thats ok, because I might not agree with yours and I dont see anything bad with that)

This is one of those stupid posts meant to incite people. Why does there have to be fights between atheists and Christians? What’s so wrong with believing? Why worry so much if someone CHOOSES not to believe.

And to the dudes arguing about Stalin and the Crusades: Christian or not, as long as it involves human beings evil things will occur.

Oh yes, clearly Stalin committed his atrocities because he was an atheist. Similarly, Hitler committed his atrocities because he was a vegetarian. Or because he was a teetotaller and non-smoker. Pick your favourite non-sequitur.

As one of the quotes above states, it doesn’t take religion to make good people do good things, or evil people (like Hitler and Stalin) to do evil things.

Chill, guys. I’ve got to admit, I’m an atheist, but if you’re happy which whatever belief you’ve chosen, why do you need to argue with each other about it? Just believe what you think is right, and whatever suits your life.

Man, I knew this article would have way more comments than usual, lol.

I do not hate any religion. I do hate those who never question their beliefs, who never bother to ask “why” they are doing what they do. Furthermore, I hate those who blindly accept faith, without reason or logic. If reason supports your faith, there is no harm in accepting it.

No faith can be proved false. No religion can be dis-proved. Not Christianity, not Islam. No, not even that of those morons who ran around outside the Revenge of the Sith premiere screaming “May the Force be With You.”

Atheism is not belief, it is disbelief. No true atheist can be completely and wholly sure there is no God — but he or she can be sure that Jesus, Moses and Mohammad were the most talented liars ever born.

I plan to post one of these quote in my (non-religious) home school classroom and rotate through them. Yes, some people do home school for non-religious reasons. I am a science Zealot…and so are my kids!

A lot of these quotes attack religion. But attacking religion does not disprove the existence of God, as God would exist despite the existence of religion.

Some other quotes merely attack God, but don’t disprove God’s existence at all.

The most compelling argument was by Sam Harris: “If we expect God to subscribe to one religion at the exclusion of all the others, then we should expect damnation as a matter of chance. This should give Christians pause when expounding their religious beliefs, but it does not.”

I have often thought about this very thing. But the way this quote puts it is very clear. If salvation is based on one’s religion, then it is accidental. One cannot control the conditions of one birth, or the society into which he is born. It would not seem fair for God to deny salvation to someone because he never had access to the true faith. But this quote doesn’t disprove the existence of God; it supposes the existence of God and attacks the notion of religion. Hardly an atheistic argument.

There are three major world religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam) that all believe in the same God. All these religions believe that salvation is exclusive to them. It would be unfair to believe that God would only save those by accident of their religion. But since each of those religions has God as similar belief, maybe they all have a chance of being saved. Which would mean that salvation is not earned through one’s religion, but through something else. Maybe God wants us to live a good life and isn’t picky about the religion.

Atheists do not have to “disprove the existence of god”. We just do not believe in any god. If believers are interested in convincing atheists that god exists, then the believers have to prove that god exists – and that has not been done by any believer, ever.

Just because you can’t disprove something doesn’t make it so, I mean you can’t disprove I don’t know say a giant spaghetti monster but do you belive in that? NO

Evolution has been proven time and time again, if you just took the time to study it you would see, Darwin actually played evolution out using pidgeons, we actually have evidence of the big bang and how we evolved, do you actually have evidence of this all knowing all powerfull being? NO! show me some evidence and i’ll run through the streets naked yelling GOD IS REAL GOD IS REAL!!!

I am from India and was raised as a Hindu. Having seen poverty up close … I became an atheist.

To those of you who still believe in God … I implore you to pack up your bags and go help the people leaving in abject poverty. No ?

There are christian organizations that help poor people … but their underlying intent is to convert them to Christianity. Regardless that still does not prove the silly notion of the existence of god … since he/she would not have let that happen in the first place. Akin to Bush send troops as part of the surge … to clean up the mess that he himself created.

The bottom 90% of the worlds population is significantly more spiritual than the top 10%. Go figure !!

The World is my country and Science is my Religion – Christiaan Huygens

Which if you mean money, — its nothing but a piece of paper which promises to the bearer of that pc. of paper that the Govt. (of whichever country he happens to be in and one can call it that country’s currency!), that (the berer) is given an assurance that that piece of paper is a statement which promises to exchange/barter it in kind with GOLD, or anything equivalent, since this metal will legally be a piece of property which can be used as ‘barter’ in return for anything he wants, in exchange !! Right?
So what does one define “wealth” ! –… something which is exchageable for any eatable, becase if one does not need have access to food, then he will eventually die. BUT THIS “WEALTH” BY ITSELF CANNOT FEED ONES BELLY.

After all we are also a mamal whose basic intinct, till today, is ..SURVIVAL ! After that comes everthing, and anything as ‘left-over’ is extra & one stocks up for the rainy day. Or if one has enough to sqander, then it will be used for anything, fist-pleasure, second- stisfy the WANTS and so on.
Therfore, in todays rat race, is called CASH or as you put it “WEALTH”

So for those children(in proverty) are actually fighting for survival, i.e. FOOD.

So my friend what is your definition of the term WEALTH & POVERTY?
Is it “material or matter”

If its materialistic then the answer is MONEY!

If its MATTER, then comes another million dollar question, which even Einstien could not discover it nor define during his life time ?? [not e=mc-sqaure]

Was that his ultimate goal or isnt that what eveyone is still trying to prove/disprove.

Let me put forth one small question : There are suppossedly “Black Hole” which has been speculated and a zillion theoretical suppositions have been used to explain what it actually is. So far as I know the most viable or likely suppossition that it consist of highly compressed matter which has got such ipossibly high gravitational force that nothing escapes, not even light!

But if its MATTER then one should be physically see it, feel it, smell it, taste it, hear noise generated by such a powerfull material … but so far no-one has experienced or proved any of the above. Simply because our definition of matter is basically based on the assumption of the question —- does matter exist! & if it exists then one should be able to OBSERVE it, i.e, SEE it to exist! If one cant see/feel it, only then does it EXISTs !!

What about these famous qoutes:

“I think therefore I exist”, but is think(thought) a piece of matter..?

OR

Is it our imagination which is proof of existance because that’s not MATTER as we are tought. Its a supposedly a term used frequently,specially by medical people ….. HALUCINATION !!

Well if its a halucination or imagination which has been defined as non- existanct, therfore it not matter? Right…quid pro quo..!

Well then if we oursleves have not been able to diffrentiate between MATTER or IMAGINATORY.

So wher does GOD come in this equation ???????????

If we cant prove that we exist and are not a piece of imagianation or halucination ??

So can one say GOD exists or does one imagine that there is GOD, just to cover up our own inadiquancy to explain any event or MATTER.

So comes the important question. If we cant prove that we exist(as a piece) of matter, how can one say anything about the presence of GOD ( which is suppossedly and ultimately try to explain our own indiqency to diffrentiate between matter & imagination)

That should have been enough to doubt your own existance, forgat about trying to explain what/who is GOD.

Its all our imagination !!! Does that mean that whatever we see, hear, feel or taste are all imagination. Then we safely that our SOUL is the only thing that MATTERs. So if soul is matter, we cant see it, hear it, taste it BUT WE CAN ONLY FEEL IT, therefore it EXISTS & if it EXISTS then that is what is MATTER as we have defined it., which one cant see, feel, taste or hear it, BUT still thats the only thing we can say as matter.

That raises another big Question WHAT EXISTS IS MATTER OR WHAT WE FIND MISSING IS!

Finally I can draw only one truth.. oops! sorry truth has to EXIST and thats what we are still struggling to answer….. By the way which way is your head spinning 000 or 1

I hope that is enough for one dose!
I will be glad to hear what do you have to say about what I have just put into words(virtally) would love to keeeping this issue carried further until I/You/We come to a conclusion ! {{ thats the TRUTH}}

I totally get what you’re saying. And I kind of agree that there is the possibility that we are living in our own minds or in some higher being’s… It’s kind of like the matrix or the idea of parallel universes.

The basic rule of the jungle is aptly adapted by humans to cover up what they still dont know, but tha jungle law is”SURVIVAL FOR THE FITTEST”

“THUS WE HAVE REMAINED ANIMALS, BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT YET LEARNT ANY OTHER WAY TO SURVIVE”

PLEASE EXPLAIN WHERE DOES THE EXISTANCE OR NONEXISTANCE OF GOD FIT IN ??

SO ARE YOU AN ATHEIST ??

BUT JUST BY CALLING YOURSELF ATHEIST IS THE FIRST & FOREMOST THIMG YOU ARE ACKNOWLEDGING IS THE EXISTANCE OF GOD ITSELF OTHERWISE IF YOU REALLY ARE AN ATHEIST THEN THERE IS NO GOD THEREFORE THERE IS NOTHING CALLED AS AN ATHEIST !! is there ???

Question – Are you schizophrenic? You have somehow managed to spell every other word incorrectly while ranting for God knows how long (pun intended) without making a single coherent point. “We are all now dumber for having heard you speak, I award you no points”.

do you believe? who cares! you dont believe? who cares anyway, religion doesnt change a thing, humans will always be humans and is in humans nature all those feelings that some consider right some others dont, thats why humans invented rules and moral to have a consented and agreed why of behaving. chill guys
the truth is that we dont give a shit if half of the world dies as long as our home and comfort are safe.

That is the truth. actualy I think that almost every person in USA or Europe would better save their pet than a 100starving kids in Africa,basically becausein their opinion those kids would still die. Actually I am from Europe and I have a dog. And if I had to chose who to save it would be a hard desition but I would chose my dog. And its not because I am a bad person or hate kids. I just love my dog more than those kids and I dont see nothing wrong with that. We dont have to love ant take care of everyone on this planet, but that doesnt mean we cant.

Tom (#24), I’m an atheist too. This argument DOES matter, and I, for one, will continue to explain my viewpoint to religious-minded people because religion is full of lies, tries to control peoples’ private lives, takes away personal rights, stops logical thinking, convinces people to be mindless followers instead of thinking for themselves, forces ridiculous rules and laws down our throats, divides regions and groups of people at a deep emotional level, causes endless conflicts and wars, tries to stop scientific research that helps mankind, creates unjustifiably tax-exempt organizations, promotes mistreatment of women and gays and children, and prompts its followers to knock on my door to try to sell their fairy tales to me.

HOWEVER… religion and its followers ARE useful for a good laugh with their billboards and bumper stickers.

Actually there are good things in religions. the pray is like a meditation as long as you dont ask for shity things. Also in some religions you have to help poor people, you cant kill animals or any living creature, there a plenty of good things is just that some atheists see religion as corruption of mind or the religious people forget what they are told million times, like that love and forgivnes is most important and sticks to the single statement in a shity book that gay people are bad.

if you knew god wasn’t magical, couldn’t bring you life, or death. never created life, never did anything great. if you knew that by praying to him you wouldn’t get anything out of it — would you still believe in him?

I’m an atheist.. because atheism is the reply of the Scientific Facts to the bane of religion, On his first day,some bloody slightly intelligent man created a non-existent concept and named it god to explain whatever he could not and thereby control his unintelligent fellowbeings using the mystery of god. And why i hate them, bcoz they popularise god by telling that every good thing is god’s and every bad thing is your fault and make a lot of money, the actual god of those people,in the name of god

I’m an atheist, just not because i love scientific theories, but because religions are a bane and god is an entity created by the intelligent of the older generations of humanity that they never could explain, to disapprove and defeat the super-intelligent people who were considered crazy just because a vast majority could not understand the truth which they explained with science. Nowadays those days are long gone, Now he existence of god has another purpose rather.It is now the dog of the people who actually use it for obtaining the salvation in their higher god, called MONEY. It is also used to create a mob, an army, so they can influence the democratic politics, exhibiting votebank.The power is a requirement always and in democracy, one of the most risky but profitable investment is politic, because along with power,that needs a lot of money to establish, comes a lot of money.Only problem you need a lot of money and people with you. MONEY is power.The unholy link between he religion and power is always inevitable. In the crusades, in the courtships there was always a priest or equivalent who used to control the rulers to a bit.

I love how fun it is to get my Christian friends riled up, ‘cuz I’m a complete athiest and it’s fun to hear “but, but” whenever I prove a point. If any Christian would bother to tell me exactly why they believe in God, I’d love to debate. You can find me on this page.

Also, I think that the people who created the bible were drunks who thought it would be fun to write a book and see how gullible people are. a MESSAGE FOR People who believe GULLIBLEISWRITTENONTHECEILINGANDFISHTRACKSAREONTHEFLOORandjeezifyoucan’tfigureoutwhati’msayingmaybeyoushouldreadthebiblecloser.

there is no harm in a sound opinion, but it’s amazing how scared it makes a devoted christian, so angry & fyi if you are a christian, why read this, I am an antheist and I don’t see the point of reading the bible.

First of all i would like to say that I do not agree with Somedude’s inflamatory comment and that his words should not be taken to represent Christian attitudes. Yes, even Christians make mistakes and say things in anger :)
To Jay: I am a Christian and I have to say that I totally agree with you. Many christians do not know why they believe what they believe, or in some cases, they don’t even know what they believe. It is an issue that frustrates me just as it frustrates you.
Since the decision to be or not to be christian is one that will heavily affect the way one lives his or her life and is likely, in today’s world, to be a decision that must be constantly defended(no matter what it is), one should at least look into the matter. However, procuring evidence for and against Christianity is a time-consuming and sometimes confusing task. I am definitely someone who has not spent enough time on it even though I acknowledge it is something that all serious christians should do.
You friends probably stumble over thier words when you ask them to defend thier beliefs because they do not want to look uninformed or ignorant when in fact it would be a much more beneficial thing to admit thier fault and have an intelligent and open-minded discussion. Not many Christians have the courage to do this. To admit ignorance would be to become vulnerable, something no one wants to do too often. So, next time you talk to your friends maybe it would help to come into the situation with a specific question and research it together, with no judging or blaming on either side.
That is how I believe it should be since it is not, as according to Christianity, a human’s place to judge. That place is God’s alone, but hey Christians are humans and they have faults too.

“I am a Christian and I have to say that I totally agree with you. Many christians do not know why they believe what they believe, or in some cases, they don’t even know what they believe. It is an issue that frustrates me just as it frustrates you.”

haha what I said “a believer” was not out of anger but out of truth, as you have your opinion that everyone is right, I do not. Ignorance seems to me to be the only true reason for atheism. Maybe you took my statement incorrectly, I was not calling atheists a plague on the earth, they, as we all are, are creatures. Creatures that do not have full ruler ship or for that matter, nearly any. Atheism is based of logic formed by man and man still cannot explain some happenings, if you would rather represent Christianity then please do so in a courageous way.

And with the gay bashing, i thought that I would point out that being gay isn’t a choice, it is a scientific fact that being gay is hereditary. Christians say that “God” creates you. Why would he make somebody gay if he hates gay people?

‘With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.’

No, it doesn’t. How about Milgram’s infamous experiment in obedience? Surely you can’t blame that on religion. Surely you can’t think shocking an unwilling victim isn’t an evil thing. And surely the people in that study weren’t particularly evil people, in and of themselves.

Maybe I did misunderstand your comment. I agree that Christians should stand up for their faith unapologetically but, not in spite and the word parasite, to me, sounds very angry.
Anywho, its ok. :)
And, by the way, how did you get the idea that I think everyone is right?

There is no point arguing with a believer since continued faith in the face of evidence contrary to their belief serves only to reinforce their conviction. You cannot “convert” someone to atheism, you can only arrive there with on open mind.

Atheism is not the belief in nothing, it is: not believing just because someone tells you so. Christians don’t believe in Krishna or Buhhda – why not, because someone has told them God is god instead of being born into a society in which Krishna or otherwise is god.

I do not believe in God. If god exists (and is omnipotent), then my non-belief in Him must be part of His divine plan. Who am I to question God?

Your first paragraph is amazing and I shall be using it to defend my beliefs from now on.

Along with your point of Christians not believing in Buddha or Zues etc, is another quote. “we are both atheist, I simply believe in one less god than you do. Only when you understand why you deny all other theoretical gods will you understand why I deny yours.”

You Know these quotes are very interesting they trully show how ignorant athesism. Do people have nothing better to do than to make false acusations about something so big the human mind can not comprehend. “…People don’t question there faith…” How do you know that maybe they do, everyone has a bit a doubt every know and then. I honestly believe these quotes are made by people who can’t comprehend something so they give up, Because seeing is believing right? Oh, who created the big bang theory!

If we could convince everyone on earth to stop praying and just live morally, honestly, and most important Love. Love yourself, love human nature, love mother nature, just love it all and go about our everyday lives cherishing this wonderful life and earth that we PRESENTLY have before us then we will have arrived in heaven. I currently live my life this way and do not hurt anyone in thy process. If we all did this god just may find that earth is better than his heaven and come down to have some tea with us, maybe even take in a ball game… I ask this, if this did in fact occur would god still send us all to hell for not acknowledging him althoug we all lived righteously? If the answer is yes then I know a very large amount of GREAT people in hell and would prefer to be there with them anyway. I am my own god and this earth in this my only life is my heaven. I am not just content with this but so very appreciative!

To An Atheist: You’re nonbelief is because God gave all humans a choice. Not because it is God’s will.

To olatron: Albert Einstein believed in God. You are saying that he isn’t intelligent?

To the people who were arguing that history has proved that religion has bought more wars, more hatred among countries and people and more casualties than any other reason: Most of those casualties, wars, hatred were caused by misled Christians. The Crusades is an big one.

To Brian V: The only reason why there is love in the first place and why its considered right in the first place is because God is loving. If the earth didn’t start out with true Christians, this earth would be totally devastated. The belief that love is good has been passed down from them. If it hadn’t been for them, there wouldn’t be anybody thinking about love, compassion, etc.. There would also be many more different ideas of what is good and right. For example, why would there be any ideas that adultery is wrong? It doesn’t hurt anybody. Why is killing wrong? We are all gonna die anyways, some sooner than others.

“To the people who were arguing that history has proved that religion has bought more wars, more hatred among countries and people and more casualties than any other reason: Most of those casualties, wars, hatred were caused by misled Christians. The Crusades is an big one”

“You’re nonbelief is because God gave all humans a choice. Not because it is God’s will.”
So God gave me the choice of whether or not to believe in him, even though he knew i would choose not to believe, so now he will send me to hell (in which I do not believe) because of the choice he gave me. Doesn’t seem very fair to me. If God did exist I don’t think I would want to worship him if he blames and will punish me for a mistake he made…

Ok, love is a mother freaking emotion. So basically, you are saying that human’s didn’t have emotions until Christians arrived. And the world did not start with Christians. Mesopotamians, Greeks, Babylonians, Egyptians, Chinease, and European. They all had other religions before Christianity was officially established. So suck on that.

“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.” -Albert Einstein, 24 March 1954

Christians,christians, christians……you really only see evil dont you? You live in a scary evil world where the devil and sinners haunt your every second of existence. You embelish such evils only to magnify them into reality. Once their is such evil you can then validate your existence for your god. Im not saying evil doesnt exist, i just would prefer not to fixate on it and make that my focus. I find the good things and stay on them. I search my own heart and strength in times of turmoil and I know that this beutiful life very well is my only life. If its not then thats icing on the cake. Just how bad do you have it where the existence of heaven is the only thing that keeps you going? I sure can understand some poor kid growing up in the slums of India where his parents are muredered and his sister raped would have to believe just to get by that there must be a better place than this. And so he hears this grand tale that if hes good and prays to god and bla bla bla he will go to this better place, I get it. But whats your story? Why do you need it? This is America, this is heaven, and that child can find heaven too? He needs to think for himself, act, and get his little ass out of there. He has the power to do that, but if he gets too caught up in this heaven and hell bullshit hes going to rely on some fake being to get him out of there and out of there he will not get! All you have to do is be willing to think about it, and if you allow yourself you will know that there is no god, no heaven as described in the bible and no hell as described in the bible. It really is as simple as that. Why not live in reality and worry about death when it comes to us. Sure where all gong to die so are we supposed to just sit around and wait for it to happen? I love because I choose to love, not because I am forced into it for fear of actions against me if do not. I am a true husband, firefighter, citizen, brother, neighbor and friend. Most of all I am true to myself!

Otaika- quick answers…..Trial and error and 60,000 plus years of intelligent human life has evolved humans into knowing what is wrong and right, adultery hurts the partner who has placed their trust in you so yes it does hurt people, and killing isnt always wrong if you must eat a chicken or defend yourself against a charging murdering army of ignorant christians.

Albert Einstein’s belief in god kept him from even attempting to understand quantum mechanics.
When asked to comment on quantum mechanics:
“God does not play dice” -Albert Einstein
He was a brilliant man, but his religion kept him from becoming even greater. You don’t often hear about his twilight years but I’m sure there is something on wikipedia about them.

Mislead christians? mislead how? How do you separate the mislead christians from the properly lead christians? Do you wait until a group starts doing bad things and then conclude that they are being mislead? Then how do you prevent it? The truth of the matter is, a mislead christian is still a christian and they went into those conflicts because of their faith, they were convinced that those conflicts were justified because of their faith, they killed because of their faith.

People aren’t good just because the bible tells them to be. I’m an atheist, and I help people whenever I can, I’m polite or at least civil, to everyone even if I dislike them, and I’ve never been in a fist fight in my entire adult life. I still however stand up for myself and don’t let people push me or my friends around. Am I incapable of love because I’m not christian?
Christianity looks at things very often in terms of black and white, good and evil, and there are no such things. There is no black and white, only shades of gray. Actions in and of themselves have no meaning, only the meaning we place on them. That’s why americans view the way women are treated in the middle east as wrong, and why people in the middle east view the way americans let their women “run amuck” as wrong. It’s all perception. There are some things that are viewed by most humans as wrong like murder, rape, and stealing, but obviously not all humans view these things as being so wrong, or there wouldn’t be any.

I don’t like religious morals being imposed on me in the form of law. That is my major concern with religion. I don’t like environmental policies that don’t take care of our only planet. Not everyone believes the end of times is near. I’m tired of christian pro-lifers telling people that abortion is wrong, and then complaining about welfare and other “tax-money draining” systems that support these children that might otherwise have been aborted. I can only surmise that pro-lifers don’t want abortions, they want battered and neglected children.
I don’t like people telling homosexuals that they can’t marry, or adopt children because they are homosexual. Doesn’t the bible tell you to love all men as your brother? Why doesn’t it seem to apply to homosexuals, atheists and in some cases other religions?

Regardless of what the morals of most religions claim to be, I can only go by what the morals of those religions seem to be, and to me they don’t seem to be very morally sound.
I’ve always thought it was funny, but I’m an atheist and I embody more christian values than most christians I’ve met.

P.S. Otaika, the Earth didn’t start with christians. ;) Even if you go strictly by the bible, jesus was still jewish. =)

It distorts my brain knowing that world leaders, doctors, lawyers, police,etc supposed responsible intelligent people still believe in fake godly beings. It destroys my hope for humanity for if we can never get past this virus we may never evolve enough to save ourselves when the world is faced with exstinction. We have the proper brain tools to solve vast problems and with a little funding for testing on things like embryos and stem cells we really could divert a world catastrophe whether it be man made or mother nature. However we are constantly catapulted back to the middle ages every time a vote goes in the churches favor. Churches dont deserve tax exemptions nor do they a voice in the government. We have solved many problems on this earth but we cant get adults to stop believing in Santa Claus! It makes me sick! All I can do is teach my kids the TRUTH and let them know how rediculous all that is and hopefully they can persuade the children of Otaika and Sudeep and many others while they are still a molding mind of the obsurdness of their beliefs. Teach your kids to think for themselves and why not give it a try yourself.

Central message of the Bible
God created everything (including himself presumably)
But neglected to go into much detail leaving his audience to pretty well make it up and guess.
(This was to become a bit of a problem; when a few people began to figure out just how big and old it all is. After all we were made in his image and we were getting smaller and smaller in the scheme of things).

Jews kept God in a box, only a few were allowed to see it and then very rarely, then they lost it
Then found a guy pretending to be God (Well his son)
And hung him
Then his followers wrote another book and attached it to the Old one. (the one with all the made up stories)
His claim to fame…….
Christmas joy, It’s a boy
Virgin Mary’s not so coy.
Five feet nine he’s divine,
Changes water into wine.
He’s no fool, keeps real cool,
Walks across ‘the swimming pool’.
Bread and fish what a dish,
Fed five thousand ‘piece of piss’.
It’s a lark after dark,
Kissing Judas in the park.
Long white robes Jewish nose,
Hangs about with the Holy Ghost.
It’s too bad, and quite sad,
Having to die, to see your dad.
He’s not frail, but went quite pale
They crossed his legs to save a nail.

Then 1500 years later some followers thought for themselves and fell out with the bosses.
Lots of bloodletting and killing later we had two churches.
During the next five hundred years or so the churches were to split again and again and again, lots more killing and ethnic cleansing.
Then most countries became Democracies and became secular (The rulers owing their allegiances to the people rather than a church in another country)
Then we had the technology explosion Radio, TV and the Internet
Freedom at last…… Well no
Then we had freedom from religious intolerance and an explosion of new age religions ALL claiming the same rights as the old ones, i.e. TAX BREAKS.
The Older religions caught on and learned to use the power of propaganda rather than the Stake or sword and found that it was more efficient to bribe and coerce people into staying inline through the power of money.
Then politicians became aware of the power of the churches i.e. Money and votes.
So where are we now…. Well we have multi millionaire TV Evangelists living lives of luxury….. Telling the same old stories.
Keeping their followers in the dark and feeding them the same old shit.

Since you think you can disrespect what believe in and explain everything, try explaining this:

Three prophets: Isaiah, Micah, and Zechariah (to pick only 3), never knew eachother, probably lived at completely different periods of time, all prophesied about Jesus before he came to earth. Every prophecy was confirmed in Jesus. Read these prophesies, here are but a few:
-Matthew 2 v 23
-Isaiah 42 v 1-4
-Micah 5 v 2
-Zechariah 9 v 9

Isaiah 53 (a whole chapter) talks about Jesus, and what he did for you.

So why should anyone (other than Jews or Christians of course) believe the Jewish/Christian creation myth, (told by some goat herders in the Middle East a few millennia ago) to any greater extent than any other religious belief. One of the answers to this question lies in the nature of Christianity it is fundamentally a huge business where the greater the congregation the greater the money it generates and the greater the power it has in spiritual and political matters.

Im half atheist (which i guess makes me agnostic as i dont follow a religion but accept that logical possibility that there is a God) and i love alot of these quotes. However, I feel many atheists seem a little misguided. The constant reference to Dawkins is pathetic…. he’s done nothing for atheism except make most atheists look like idiots in philosophical circles. Nearly all of his points are proven ill-fated by Richard Swinburne in his arguments trying to show that, logically, a God must exist. I am very against religion…. it certainly has cost more people their lives than its saved. However, criticising Christians does not make you an atheist…. Showing that a god doesnt exist does, and no-one (not Hume, not Dawkins, not anyone I have ever read work by) has managed to defeat alot of the logical arguments Swinburne gives!

There is no logic in religion. Logical possibility that there is a god is an oxymoron. If you were born into a life where not once did anyone EVER mention religions and God, you would never just start thinking that it makes sense that there possibly is a higher more powerful being up in the stars and a burning hell fire below us. However if you were born where never did anyone ever mention evolution, it is possible that you just may figure it out on your own regardless. One makes perfect sense, the other is immature and down right ludicrous. This is not an opinion. I just will have to wait till you or I die before I can prove it fact.

Im not sure i can agree with that, BrianV. As i said, i dont follow a religion, but the existance of a God can be made with arguments that are a posteriori. There are many things that point as evidence to the fact that some higher being may exist, in the way that there is substantial evidence to suggest evolution and the big bang theory and every other thereom about the world. My point is that science is never 100% certain on the grounds that there is a logical space for doubt. If I throw a ball in the air 100 times and it came back down 100 times, I would use that as an example to show the existance of gravity, yet you couldnt well tell me that it is logically impossible for the ball to hover int he air. In fact that makes perfect sense as a statement. If only once the ball is not affected by gravity when science says it should be, then the arguments for gravity become null. Similarily, if there is one unavoidable argument showing the non-existance of a higher being then God cannot exist (note: i am not stating the Christian God or anything…. i just mean some higher being that caused the universe that we would call god) then fair enough but there isnt. Besides saying we may figure evolution out ourselves is really not likely…. people decided a god exists because it is a much simpler and sensible explanation long before evolution was even half contemplated! You ‘figure out’ evolution because you are taught some basic laws of biology, not by your own logical means. Its just as logical to “figure out” that a omniscient, omnipotent being made the universe, because that makes perfect sense to someone born who’d never heard of God or religion but had also never heard of science!

I’ve decided I’m afraid to die. We have one life to live, so we have to have fun with it, not waste praying for redemption for 10 minutes every time we bump into someone in a restaurant or smoke a cigarette. Life is a great thing and to think that some racist, powerful dude in the sky is going to fix all our problems is insulting. I’m a Humanist which is a branch of Atheism. Google it, it’s one of the few religions that makes sense.

the real question is,
How many of you know of Godwins’ Law?
Notice how quickly Hitler was stated as being evil,
Since when was he evil?
no real point here just wanted you all to know what Godwins’ Law was/is.
haha the longer your posts get the less i read, sorry my eyes hurt.
I’ll look them over tomorrow thou.

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” – Stephen Roberts

More sensible how HAA? Sounds like you are making the argument from incredulity. That somehow, because people make things, it makes sense that something had to “make” everything. This doesn’t even follow in man made objects, where failure to understand the rules of the universe clearly has, can, and continues, to result, in some cases, in behaviors, designs, or failures, which where not predicted by any engineer. And, in the software world, its pretty much inevitable. Just replacing one part, or program, in a computer can, in some cases, cause drastically unpredictable results, which where never “designed” into it.

That we can imagine something that can “predict” and “know” everything, and thus not make such mistakes, while we continually fail to, doesn’t make such an imagined thing “exist”. Nor is it entirely clear that such a being does exist, since, if he/she/it did, they wouldn’t have created DNA, which makes even the most sophisticated software we have to date look like a perfect geodesic dome, when comparing such a dome to a bowl of spaghetti. I.e., genetics makes the incidental errors, and complexity, we get in computers now look “understandable” and “error free”, by comparison.

The logical space of doubt is a good thing. Attempting to “fill” the gaps with something that is imagined as a 100% perfect fit never works. Someone inevitably zooms in on the fractal, showing more, but tinier, gaps, and fewer places for such a creature to fit into. The only thing such an argument actually does is show an unwillingness of some people to simply say, “I don’t know yet”, and instead sit some place an think really really hard about what should fit in there. And… surprise, surprise, somehow the only thing they find to “fit” the hole is stuff already put in their head by someone else.

Its the same problem you get with revelation: Garbage in, garbage out. If you see something you don’t know, then look **it** over real well, you might learn something. If you see something you don’t known, and instead do nothing but “think about it”, all you will get is what is already between your own ears. Its hardly surprising that a philosophical (i.e., lot of time thinking, without actively doing anything like experiments) solution to the problem of “gaps” is inevitably going to be something a) someone else already suggested, and b) is widely believed enough that it won’t be rejected as insane.

Or, lets put it another way. Various experiments have been run with computers, to see if they can “find” new mathematical solutions, so they where given the basics, things to test against, and allowed to run. In all cases, thinking about what other people already thought of, i.e. philosophical examination of math, resulted in any number of different, and sometimes unknown, ways to do the same things we already **knew** how to do, but never once has such a machine “invented” a new formula for something we didn’t already figure out. To do that requires stepping out of the box and looking at things that you don’t already know something about. Philosophy is crawling **into** the box, on the theory that disconnected your examination from the unknown can give you a purer view of it. But, all you can get from that is *what you already have*.

I find it funny the idea of a god. I mean, how ludicrus can you get? Has anybody ever given thought to how women must think about this man-centric thinking?
If I was a woman, I’d think all religions are fearful. I’d think my body must be horrible to see. Why else cover up? What’s to fear?
Men fear what they look like. They’re scared of a hardon, a boner. They’re scared of their reaction to a naked woman.
I follow no religion cause they treat anybody different like shit. Yeah, like shit. They can’t even agree on what’s right. Or wrong.
How dare you assume that any god has emotions? Or cares about our actions on this Planet? How egotistical it must be to be jamming down our throats your “beliefs” which are the words of Bigots, Rascists, and Sexists.
Face it: Religion is full of crap. Only children believe in miracles. And Santa.
Then they grow up, and find out there are no miracles. There are no Magical Beings guiding their lives.
This is the truth, whether you like it or not:
There are decisions, and consequences. You make bad decisions you get bad consequences. Good decisions you get good consequences.
There are no morals.
No god in the sky. No “son” murdered, only to “rise” three days later.
There is no hell. Only if you live mentally in hell. Or a dictatorship.
Maybe this delusion will disappear when people get their head out of their asses and really look at reality.
People starving.
People doing the right things and still getting fucked over.
More work, and less results.
“Pro-lifers” KILLING people because of a differing point of view.
War in the name of “GOD”. Just the way to prove a point to non-believers that because of superior weapons, MY god is more powerful.
Juvenile, isn’t it?
Slavery is not only ok, but there is a monetary system in place and rules that excuse ABUSE and KILLING of “servants”.
“God” is terrible with money. He always needs more, every week. He’s worse than a “trophy wife” with credit cards.
God exists?
Only if you believe ignorance is bliss.

It is funny to me how all the religious folks ended up on this website. I assume they did the same thing i did, typed in atheist quotes on google. The must be doubting their religion. The bottom line is that no one knows for sure how everything started, but believing in myth and legend as fact is ridiculous. Why didnt the christians become muslims early on in their faith? How come theMuslims didnt become Christians? they both are old religion and both have religious text that are “true.” The reason is because their parents taught them and that was it. Kids believe that santa is real because everyone around them says it is.That doesnt make it so. This is the same reason people believe in their religion because they were scared since they were little kids.
The bible has so many contradictions but it is the word of god. how is that possible?
PS-SCIENCE ISNT A WAY TO EXPLAIN THE “BEGINNING.” IT IS A WAY TO MEASURE WHAT IS TANGIBLE AND THE RULES THEY FOLLOW (i.e. math, physics, astronomy, and so on.)
IF IT WAS UP TO THE CHURCH, WE WOULDNT BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE RIGHT NOW THROUGH THE COMPUTER. WE WOULDNT HAVE ADVANCED ENOUGH TO DO SO. THE CHURCH BELIEVED THE EARTH WAS FLAT AND THE SUN REVOLVED AROUND THE EARTH. RELIGION IS THE BIGGEST OPPONENT TO SCIENCE ADVANCEMENT.i.e stem-cell research is a recent example. AT ANY RATE, KEEP YOUR DAMN RELIGIONS TO YOURSELF..AND FOR THE RELIGIOUS FOLK HERE, GO AWAY AND STOP COMING TO ATHEIST BLOGS IF YOU ARE SUCH A BELIEVER..LOL

“It’s funny that you should say that because Atheism is the belief of nothing, so you think that ‘faith’ is the actual enemy. We place our faith in things all the time, even in the Atheist’s Holy Grail, SCIENCE. You put faith in a seat belt, not knowning if it will break, you put faith roads that should not crumble, faith is and will always be, what makes us different from the other monkey’s in the zoo.”—tomwaitsfan

…i just think this is hilarious… when was the last time any human being did something based on the belief of nothing? obviously they must believe in something, be it a paper clip, or perhaps something that is morally instilled within them, just because they don’t believe in some being in the clouds watching, and judging, and compiling the lives of billions of people means jack shit to anyone who has taken the time to maybe open a history book, or even the bible itself, as few “christians” with the interest of coming to an atheist quotes page probably have not.

hahah literally this made my night…. i’m literally laughing out loud, also to the person who just put, “god bless you” i’m pretty sure that’s what the christians who have no actual knowledge of their religion, but are scared of what will happen to them when they die, say when they feel threatened, it’s the equivalent of a high school cheerleader waving her pom poms at the rival team.

Not only does compiling a list like this represent a considerable effort – it seems to point to a driving passion for something. If you ever figure out what ‘something’ is – please let the world know.

How does Humanism fare under your scrutiny? The great humanist experiments of the 20th century killed more people than all the ‘religious’ wars ever fought. The consequences of their misguided social programmes still deprive millions, perhaps billions, of people of basic human needs and rights. These were and are ‘scientific’ social systems underpinned by ‘reasoning’ not ignorance and superstition.

Some reasoning minds would arrive at the conclusion that the corporate nature of humanity itself is the problem – not one or another belief system or world view.

Well, I hope I can help to clear up one mistake made by a couple of posters above.

“It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.”

“The idea of a personal God is quite alien to me and seems even naïve.”

“I believe in Spinoza’s God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings.”

“I do not believe in immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it.”

“All great religions, in order to escape absurdity, have to admit a dilution of agnosticism. It is only the savage, whether of the African bush or the American gospel tent, who pretends to know the will and intent of God exactly and completely.” H.L. Mencken

I put my faith in science. Science can give me facts and truth. What is religion giving the world right now? Please…if there was not for religion don’t you agree this world would be a lot more peaceful place to live in? If you all look at all the comments, there is more “believers” being angry then atheists. That is because we atheists seem to have more tolerance for people that does not believe in facts/science and we don’t like to go to “WAR” just because the rest of you believes in invisible guys.

Throughout history, more people have been killed in the name of “Christianity” than any other reason. Your hipacracy is insane. Religious people out there need to keep your religion to yourselves. I dont go around try to convert you to atheists.

Science and religion do not have to be enemies they certainly were not during the age of enlightenment were many scientific pursuits had church funding and backing. I think that most of the nonsense that holds science back is perpetrated by fringe groups for example the main denominations (Catholic/Anglican) support biological evolution it’s just more of the loony nutters who are more right wing than Genghis Khan that seem to have problems with science, they do not speak for all Christians and should not even be deluded into thinking that they speak for the majority.

As for the past nationalism, religion and other ideologies have a bloody sordid past I think that has more to do with humanity abusing
belief systems to their gain. If not religion then nationalism if not that they would find an another excuse to go to war one way or the other.

I in my life have never met a religious person. I see around me, those who in their daily lives reap the benefits of modern science but when prompted will turn around and say that same science is fictional; the same science that brings them the opportunity to spread lies, deceit, and hatred through the internet. I see people take pills for their cancer because they do not truly believe their prayers have any effect. I see every modern society has within it a system of justice because the people believe if there is a god he is impotent to stopping evil. Theists? No, I have never met one. I have been called many a horrible thing for being an atheist, and I say to their face that they too are atheists, I just have the balls to admit it.

Why do Christians never tell us which denomination they are, its as if they are trying to kid the rest of us that Christianity is one big happy family when in reality it is far from it. as for a God every Christian denomination think they are the true spokes people for ‘Christ’/ God Every Christian Denomination, Sect or Order seem to have a different spin on ‘their own God’ most of them have bloody histories. So if Atheists seem to attack Christianity its because they are seen as the most dangerous, the most intolerant and the most bigoted of all the world religions. As for being a half atheist or half Christian this is just daft. Which half a God is it, God on the stick or just the stick?

Joe Stalin and Hitler were both good ole Catholic boys, and probably used Christianity as their models for world domination. KILL EVERYONE THAT DISAGREES WITH YOU. Christianity the most Genocidal, mass murdering organisation the world has ever seen. If there were a God I doubt if he she or it would have anything to do with Christianity at least Jesus stayed true to his religion Born a Jew and died a Jew and the dying bit seems to be so appealing to Christians.

In response to mehmet1453 science and religion not being enemies. I think you had better read the diktats that emenate from the Pope.
Try reading some of the encyclicals from past Popes these are not in any way reasoned they are diktats claiming ultimate truth from divine source to be believed or else. Pope Pius XII stated “scientific research is a reprehensible desire of novelty” and only his lot could determine the truth. Enemies does not come close, Its not that long age that Christianity was burning books and scientists.

Pope Pius XII on evolution “When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains either that after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parent of all or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled with that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the Teaching Authority of the Church propose with regard to original sin, which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam and which through generation is passed on to all and is in everyone as his own”.
Don’t go blaming Adam he didn’t plant the bloody tree of knowledge all he did was use his gift of enquiry and took a bite. Now if this act condemns humanity to ignorance and despair then the fault lies with the negligence of your God, and totally destroys the notion of infallibility, forgiving and greatness. On a scale of comparative sins this one small misdemeanour pales into insignificance against those committed in the name of the Church by Popes and Bishops. If Sin is passed down the ages then there should be a World Court to indict the Church on behalf of their own God. As for the theory of evolution, that’s it then Catholics are told not to believe it OR ELSE.

I see from browsing the comments that some of you have been sucked into the religion vs. science argument. Atheists say “I believe in science!” and religious types say “I believe in god!,” but it’s a pointless argument because the two have nothing to do with one another. Science has nothing to do with religion. It’s concerned with observing and studying the natural world, not with philosophy. There have been thousands of hours devoted to disproving science by literalists because they feel like they have something to prove, but nothing with which to prove their point. There have been zero hours spent by the scientific community trying to disprove god.

Atheism is not a belief in nothing. I believe in many things. I believe in the wonder and complexity of the natural world. I believe in the wonderful compassion that can be shown by humans. I believe in living a happy and full life, doing everything in my power to leave this world in better shape than I found it. Atheism is not a belief in nothing, it is taking oneself out of the whole system all together.

I am on your side Owen, but I will say philosophy and science have a lot to do with each other, as philosophy is a branch of science. Not physical, atomic, nuclear, mathematical, or historical science, biological science (although philosophy is a complete subsection by itself).

Philosophy is a specific science of Anatomy. Anatomy studies the the human body, philosophy studies the human mind, which is a part of said body.

Philosophy comes from the human mind which are thoughts, feelings, illusions, halucinigations, dillusions, processes, etc. of the human brain, which is how its a form of anatomy which is inarguably a science.

I do agree with you otherwise, I just wanted you correct you on one part (unless you can prove me otherwise).

this is a bunch of garbage. i would take my time to prove each and every one of you foolish sluggards wrong, but i have better things to do with my time. i’m trying to do a research paper and this is the horse crap i find online. take your foolish babbling elsewhere, at least get your stories and “wise” sayings straight. i know that my God is real, and He’s the same God others know. Christians only want to help you, but you know you’re wrong and deny the truth. people are condemned, not because of God, but because we humans are a filthy, evil species. but Jesus Christ was crucified, by these same humans, so that we might have a hope and reason to live. i’m not saying that i’m any better than any one of you athiests, or whatever you call it, but i do have Christ alive in me and i have a hope and reason to live. He’ll forgive anyone that repents, but some of us are too foolish to do so. you’ve taken your condemnation upon yourself. i feel sorry for you people.

and let me clear this up-there isn’t a SINGLE contradiction in The Bible. if you’re athiest, then you wouldn’t read The Bible, and therefore, cannot make such assumptions. the only contradictions that may occur are from man, not God. they may have been used to teach by Jesus, but God didn’t make any contradictions. God could have made us all perfect and clean from sin, but He gave us a chance to decide for ourselves, and we blew it. but, Jesus came and changed that. “He became sin, so that we would be free from sin.” He endured the Cross, scorning its (and our) shame, so that we may no longer be slaves to sin, but free to Christ. We have all been offered A Second Chance. the question lies with man-will you accept a second chance, or live hopelessly, anticipating the Fire of Hell you will be sentenced to if you don’t accept Christ? it’s either this, or you need to be able to show God that you’re a perfect person, blameless and pure from sin. good luck with that.

“We have all been offered A Second Chance. the question lies with man-will you accept a second chance, or live hopelessly, anticipating the Fire of Hell you will be sentenced to if you don’t accept Christ?”

Bryan you have got to be kidding me. In many cases, Atheists are the oens that have read the bible the most, that are the most familiar with it. and this is exactly why they reject it, because it is complete non sense. How do you know that “your god” is real? why is he “yours”? this is why religion is dangerous, b/c people like you just “know” he (apparently the omniscient creator of the universe is male) real. does he talk to you in your sleep or appear in your dreams? go ahead and write your high school research paper and call all of these prolific men and women idiots, im sure you are a credible source of information.
religion humiliates the soul and dominates the mind. youre telling me that when i was born i was automatically a filthy creature? why would anyone believe that bullshit? and you are infact wrong, there is one sin that you can’t repent for: “denying the holy spirit.” and since the holy spirit is omniscient, it can see our actions, hear our thoughts, and even know what we are thinking about doing. so if we begin to question god we are immediately damned to hell. this is one of the many tools built into religion to keep peopel from thinking.
the very argument that there is a personal god is the most arrogant argument in history. simply look at the size of the universe, the billions of galaxies, and the fact that the universe is expanding. the earth has only existed for a tiny blip in time, and humans even less. how arrogant to think there is an invisible man in the sky listening to every little person murmuring to him at once.
Christians don’t want “to help us.” they want to judge and divide and control. i have great hope and reason to live: my family, my friends, and every single person in the world. their religion doesnt matter at all, what we have in common isnt our beliefs but our humaninty. that is more beautiful than forcefully thrusting your holy book on others and using it to divide and ostracize.
oh and by the way, don’t use quotes from the bible to argue the existence of god, thats the worst way you can possibly argue it. and also dont use statements like the one i mentioned at the beginning on how you “know he is there.” all that does is reveal that you have no substantiated evidence whatsoever, and shows that all faith is is delusion and wishful thinking.

I as a christian, usually don’t get involved in this kind of discussions, i have read this post because i admire some authors quoted here like Asimov and Dumas. So i’m just to give my humble opinion:

An atheist can’t prove that God does not exists, same as a christian can’t prove everybody that God exists… Why?
an atheist can say:
“ok here is the bible here it says that God can do this and that by asking him to do it, so let’s ask him and nothing will happen, this proves God does not exists”

but as a christian i would say ;
“there’s a lot of things that need to be accomplished for that to happen, and if you would follow all of the prerequsites to have what you ask to God done, you would simply become a believer, so there is a deadlock here”
so this discussion won’t end, until someone dies and see for himself that his believings were right or wrong, so don’t worry the day will come for sure and everybody will have an answer.

personally, I’ve lived a happy christian life believing in a being much more intelligent, kind, organized being that made me and cares about me, this definetly had made my hard days easier and easy days greater.

Just because something makes you feel more important, or the thought of some celestial being that created the universe cares about you, doesnt make it real. this is the same god that sees to the daily destruction of stars and galaxies and to the expanding universe. why would he give a damn about a person on earth? it is very emotionally satisfying to believe in santa clause as a kid that gives presents to every little kid on earth out of the goodness of his heart, but this isnt true. like one of these quotes put it, “the absence of evidence is evidence of absence.” why dont you believe in santa clause anymore, or the flying spaghetti monster? you cannot disprove it, but why dont you believe in them? because you were born into a christian family and your society has indoctrinated you into believing that a man that lived 2000 years ago is the son of god and he died for you. people die for all of us everyday but we dont consider them the son of god. people perform “miracles” like healing the sick and curing the blind every day, but its only in the context of 2000 years ago do we actually beleive them to be true.
that is the most irrational, ignorant conclusion you can draw from any argument: that the fact that you cannot disprove something means it must the the supernatural fairy tale. this is called an informal fallacy and even has its own specfic genre: begging the question. b/c our world is so complex people assume there must be a supernatural, omniscient creator. this is just reasoning in a circle. how do you know that the only way this complexity could have come about is through a creator? if you are willing to make this conclusion then you have the burden of proof to explain this conclusion. but why pretend to know something you clearly dont? why not leave it to the progress of mankind and let us continually try to understand rather than constantly referring to a book written by men (only men) 2000 years ago when a shovel was considered technology. if you want to talk about faith, well i would rather put my faith in future generations and the future of mankind rather than tradtion and superstition.
you have to honestly ask yourself, if there were conclusive evidence that there ws no personal god, would you continue to believe?

hi!, it does not makes me feel more important but the opposite, now i know everything is about god and not about us. and you stated it right: a god who created universe and programmed and sees destruction of stars and galaxies cares about us, awsome! isn’t he?
believing in god does not make him real nor not believing will make him unreal, even if you don’t like it, science states it clearly that if you want to bring down a theory, hypothesis or you are creating a new one there has to be empirically documented evidence of that. what if i don’t believe that you exist? would you be imaginary?. what evidence do you have about george washington’s existence, why do you believe he existed? for what he said? what he wrote? what others wrote about him?, in your own concept george washington does not exists.
i was not borned into a christian family, i went through a few religions before realizing that religions are not god, i believe in god but i’m not part of a cult or religion.
i don’t understand why so many people proclaim themselves proud and fervent atheists and in favor of science but they do nothing to prove god does not exists. I respect only atheist phrases and hypothesis that come from people who’s entire life is dedicated to something trascendent, like einstein or hawking because they had dedicated their lives to something, it is easy to turn on tv on nat geo and say “god does not exists” and keep zapping, this is ok if you don’t care, but if you do, i think you better start reading more.
as a christian i dedicate my life to learn and know what i believe, even the original languages of what i read and not just the bible, i’m not an innocent sheep who follows the rest, i question every piece of information regarding my beliefs because there is nothing more important to me that know god. is being an atheist so important to you?

last, i answer your last question
if there were conclusive (scientific proof) evidence that there is no god i think that would be a high level mathematical or physics theorem or maybe a complex machine using a complex algorithm. if the evidence would be something i can understand and prove, with all the pain in my heart i would not believe anymore, but if this theory/machine/software or whatever evidence is not easily enough for me to understand i would have to believe in the guy who made it and that would lead us back to faith, to accept something you don’t understand at all.

Another Christian, Your final statement was basically “I believe because I believe.” You are talking in circles and don’t make sense. Like all Christians, you explained and proved nothing. Please thoroughly answer these questions. 1) If God created the world, then who created god? 2) Please explain to me how Gilgamesh, Osiris, Hercules, Dionysus, Odin and Attis, all found in the Bible, are similar to those found in other religions and myths BEFORE the Bible. 3) How can you justify that Jesus made the greatest sacrifice when he knew he would be resurrected? 4) Why does your God, who “loves”, demand the slaughter of nonbelievers? 5) If God has a plan for everyone, how did Lucifer have a choice? 6) How do you explain the scientific findings discrediting religion? 7) Why would your god not want people thinking for themselves? 8) How come Christians can’t support his existence? Please don’t tell me, “You have to have faith.” I’m so sick of that reply. Don’t talk in circles either please

That is the height of arrogance if you believe that the same being that tends to the daily destruction of much of the universe and matter into black holes, cares about the thoughts or actions of a human on earth. It is intellectually dishonest to refute that point with “awesome isn’t he!” yes, and it would also be great if I convinced myself that there would be a million dollars in my checking account tomorrow. What makes him unreal is the lack of evidence (there is NONE) to support the existence, not just the fact that I don’t believe. I am not CHOOSING not to believe, I am just not convinced to believe.
I am not well versed in philosophy or epistemology (yet) as I am just a freshman in college, so my response isn’t going to cite any of that. However, there are numerous, substantiated, corroborated accounts of the life and actions of George Washington. His actions have been corroborated and so have the consequences, not just by people in this country but all over the world.
Like so many others have said, the burden of proof no more lays on me to prove that the biblical god doesn’t exist than it does to prove that there isn’t a tea pot orbiting mercury. The best way we have to acquire knowledge about the state of the universe is through a dispassionate search for the observable, facts, rather than beginning with a highly emotional, unsubstantiated belief about the state of the universe, and then trying to reconcile the observations and discoveries with those beliefs by using phrases like “god works in mysterious ways” or “he is merciful and just” or whatever flexible phrasing they can use to somehow suggest the compatibility when the logical person can see that this is not the case. It is not the goal of science to disprove god. That is an ignorant statement. However religion makes claims that clearly trespass on the grounds of science. It is the goal of science to objectively seek an understanding of how and why things are through empirical analysis by using whatever grounds of knowledge have been established before it (and also even questioning those), as opposed to resorting to supernatural claims of certainty.
And if you “don’t care” it is easy to turn to books from the bronze age that advocate a dogma of ignorance that is constantly seeking to profess its compatibility with modernity but has constantly seen many of its points disproven. It would be very easy to just stop thinking and resort to some historical literature. “as a Christian I dedicate my life to learn and know what I believe” – to “learn and know” what you believe. This just shows that you already have the end made up in your mind and are cherry picking whatever you possibly can to substantiate this belief from reality.
Being an atheist isn’t “so important to be.” what is important to me is rational inquiry and the use of reason and logic in dealing with our public policy and understanding of the world rather than resorting back to dead religious dogmas written my men 2000 years ago.
And your last argument: you completely made up your own situation and then your own conclusion to that situation in order to show that everything is a matter of faith. I think that a possible piece of evidence that could be incredibly devastating to faith (correct me if imp wrong b/c I’m curious) would be if we find conclusive evidence that there is no immaterial soul and that what some conceive as the “soul” is actually chemical reactions and electrical impulses. On a similar note, V.S. Ramachandran did a study about the separate hemispheres of the brain in split –brain patients and observed in patients that the right side believed in god and the other did not. Here’s the link to clip one and then you can find clip 2 on the related videos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWIUa5cvjSo
Enjoy

I totally agree that the goal of science is not to disprove God. Logic, reason and science are my everyday job, God is my everyday life, I’m not against science but the opposite, but same as you I believe what i found real, and I’ve found God is more real than we are, but I won’t make this unnecessarily more complicated. we will always see the inner part of the flask, and it is cool to try to know what is outside or even inside, what is not cool is denying what is outside of the flask.
this discussion may go on and on as it has always been even before the writing of the bible..

finally, there is a coin in the air maybe there is a God, maybe there is none, at the end of the day you can’t know for sure, nobody can prove such thing scientifically speaking. it is trying to compare two things with different rules each in which none of the parts will accept the others rules.

but let’s say i lived my life as a christian, and when i die, everything is over, there is no God, no soul, no heaven, I lived my life believing a lie, so i exist no more, would be ok for me, I lived my life much better as a believer in every aspect of my life. now what if I don’t believe in God and when i die it happens that everything was true, there’s God, there is a heaven and hell, so I’m dead and nothing ended, i continue to exist, then I will be in serious serious trouble. so as a logic and reasoning person with no fear, evaluate risk and profit and simply make a decision, just that easy.

I watched the video you sent, is very interesting, I also watched many others from this guy, these are very cool theories (talking from a scientific perspective).

I really enjoyed chatting with you, i think this is my last post here, I’ll just read your last one.

I’m not sure what you mean about denying what is outside the flask? what isn’t cool is always resorting to some mystical, superntaural creator every time we are confronted with something that we do not know yet. the idea of god seems to be more of a comfort blanket to people. Imagine if the idea of a god never came into being. Imagine that all of scientific history is the same, only the omission of “god” from the history of humanity. Then take all of the scientific discoveries and achievements; all the knowledge we have gained about our world and the universe. Would all of this information even suggest the existence of a supreme, omnipotent, omnipresent being? Would this idea of god develop AFTER all of these discoveries? It isn’t a coincidence that the idea of a “god” was formed BEFORE we had any knowledge whatsoever about the state of the universe and of our being. If we didn’t already have this presupposition of god, at this point in time with the knowledge that we do have it would not in any way suggest a designer. The idea wouldn’t even enter our heads. What we would be thinking is that we have a long way to go to truly understand everything because we cannot even conceive of the amount of information there is out there. We wouldn’t be looking at a black hole, mercilessly sucking in matter and annihilating galaxies and concluding that the designer of the universe must be seeing to it that this galaxy be destroyed. We wouldn’t be looking at the Andromeda galaxy on its crash course to the Milky Way and conclude there is some omnipotent, intellectual being that we must have pissed off. After discovering the life cycle of our Sun and its inevitable transition into a Red giant which would turn our planet into a crisp, we wouldn’t derive the conclusion that this was under the supervision of some god.
It was an archaic method (an unscientific method) to explain our existence, but just like any ancient method of explanation it should have been thrown to the scrap heap when we developed a new method of attaining knowledge and information. For many others reason it wasn’t.
the question of god’s existence isn’t a simple coin flip with a 50% chance of him existing and vice versa considering there is no evidence or anythign to imply his existence except the tradition of belief.
i do not have a problem whatsoever with someone’s belief being a benign force in their life. however i do have a problem when it is their justification for killing someone or taking away groups of peoples’ rights. sam harris, in his book the end of faith, goes into great detail about the threat that religious moderation poses in our society. moderates give cover to religious extremists b/c once something is deemed “faith” then apparently we are required to respect it, when in actulity we do not repsect eachothers beliefs. like if i said i belief that elvis’ spirit was still among us, i would immediately pay the price. a religion that believes in martyrdom and 72 virgins waiting for them in heaven that has accessto nuclear weapons doesnt mix well with a religion that believes the end of the world will be a glorious return of jesus. your beliefs, your neighbor’s beliefs, they affect all of us.
your last point: i dont think a perfect god would give us the ability to think and reason and apply logic and then punish us for using them. why would anyone be tortured for eternity for pursuing the truth. ” sorry god, there just wasn’t enough evidence” i think would suffice, considering there isn’t. if he is omnipotent i think he could see our real thoughts and your arrogant to think you can fool god by just SAYING you believe so you can go to heaven. if he did create everything, he created me. he created me a skeptical person, not readily or blindly believing something unless there was good evidence.
i could go on and on, but just the basic idea that there is some omnipotent omnipresent entity with intellect seems to be a logical fallacy. why create anything at all? why not bask in your perfection? thats kind of underachieving if your great feat is creation of a race of tiny, powerless humans on an infinitesimally small pixel of the universe. wouldnt you consider that immoral to simpkly create a species so that they can just worship you, and if they dont then you torture them for all of eternity (whatever that means)? seems mroe liek a tyrant to me. i would rather not even exist that live in a world of utter, natural submission upon birth with the threat of that kind of fate awaiting me. just dont even create me in the first place.

All formal dogmatic religions are fallacious and shall never be accepted by any self-respecting person as final. — by Hapathia.

Hapathia, who lived in ancient Alexandria, was the first female philosopher, mathematician, extremely beautiful, daughter of the Great Theon,… yet, she was stripped naked by Peter, cut into pieces with clam shells and broken tiles, and then torn apart aline and burned to death by a christian mob…

Religious people always assume we all want to go to heaven. I told them, hell no! I do not want to party with my boss 24/7 and being monitored by him. I want to stay in this world, if not, hell is my second choice because I have the freedom to swear to anyone and have my privacy :)

Ditto. Does anyone have any good book recommendations other than the two by sam harris, the god delusion by richard dawkins, or “god is not great” by christopher hitchens? (i’ve already read those so i’m looking for something else). Oh, and does anyone have a link to the video of the debate between William Lane Craig and Christopher Hitchens? I’m sure Hitchens destroyed him b/c Craig is mentally handicapped. whenever i watch him i get absolutely furious; the worst debater in history. Thanks

I love it how when the logistical beauty of the atheists argument tears ones “justification” for a god, and then the reply is never to be seen. That shows a lack of initiative in itself, that is praised and credited in the religious community, does it not?

And as for ANYONE commenting on this, do not ever try to convince anyone they are wrong in any way, because more often than not, it just justifies their righteousness to themselves.

In other words, you can’t convince someone who has faith to disbelieve, yet contrarily, if I were presented with unrefutable evidence for a God, I would believe.

Atheists and believers alike I must tell you. You are both half right and half wrong. Atheists I see that our logic can very easily show that it is most likely there is no God. Yet you cannot say without a doubt that He does not exist. Believers, I agree that many records have been kept and it is hard to believe that so many people could all be mistaken, yet you also have no hard facts to back you up. I urge you all to stand back and look at the big picture. With or without religion, we have all been equiped with the necessary intellect to know what is right and wrong. We all know it feels good and right to laugh to love and to enjoy our friends and family. If you are religious, Fine. If you are Athiest Fine. But do what you do in the name of man and in the name of your heart, not because a book tells you to. If we live our lives in a loving moral understanding manner, and there is no heaven, at least we have lived a great and fullfilling life. If we live this way and there is a God, he will see all your great achievements and welcome you with open arms. So I say don’t worry about whether he exists or not. Worry about your friends and family and worry about how you will make the world a better place.

I really really really really believe Jesus is actually a homosexual himself, and wants to be really unique and special so that all his friends think he is awesome, and so he commissioned a book, aptly named, the BUYble, to reinforce this notion thus condemning homosexuals to ages of discrimination.

And because I have faith, and this idea is just too much to comprehend, it must be true! And God must be true, and Jesus is indeed awesome to his friends, and athiests are all smelly dog liar fools.

Dean: You’re an atheist humanist judging by what you just said. try telling everything u just said to somehow who has built up their whole life around the notion that there is an invisible man in the sky listening to our thoughts and around all of these specific details laid out in the bible/koran etc. what someone believes about the afterlife has a profound effect, immeasurable really, on what they belief/ act in this life.

Almost a year since (August 28, 2008) this “pensive” guy wrote he had an answer for every one of the quotes…and nothing yet…should I wait for christ to come for at least one, only one “christian” answer to any quote?

Well, let me think about that: if as a Christian, I’m wrong, and atheism is right, then when I die, what have I lost? Nothing. But if you, as an atheist are wrong, and God is right (and He’s alive and well; I just talked to Him this morning), then you’re headed for an eternity of torment in Hell when you die. Is that really something you want to chance being wrong about?

And btw, this Christian wound up on the “atheist quotes” site while Googling something about the Bible.

Just thought I’d post a couple comments to stir the age-old pot. Y’all really should come up with some new arguments.

“That’s why I had to mention crimes in the name of atheism. And you dismissed even the idea that Stalin’s crimes had something to do with atheism. What did you use to support your argument? Only capitalization…”

The burden is on you to show they did. And stop lying and calling yourself an atheist.

“Stalin’s Russia was build on this ideology and everything was done in its name.”

That is a lie, like you calling yourself an atheist, and like the rest of the claptrap that is religion. Predictably, a lot of lying scum come to websites like this and lie their asses off. Regardless of whether there is a God, his believers are assholes.

“BUT JUST BY CALLING YOURSELF ATHEIST IS THE FIRST & FOREMOST THIMG YOU ARE ACKNOWLEDGING IS THE EXISTANCE OF GOD ITSELF OTHERWISE IF YOU REALLY ARE AN ATHEIST THEN THERE IS NO GOD THEREFORE THERE IS NOTHING CALLED AS AN ATHEIST !! is there ???

ANY ANSWERES ??”

Theism: With god. Atheism: Without god.
Atheism is not acknowledgement of god’s existence. It’s denial or disbelief of it. Also, what’s with all the caps? You don’t have to yell.

I am an atheist because I do not BELIEVE god exists, not because I KNOW he doesn’t. If this makes me a weak atheist, that makes sense, given that I just recently “converted” (or is it “de-converted”?), and I’m not as “confident” in my convictions as others, but I’ve seen nothing yet to make me change my mind.
I don’t hate christians. I know quite a few who are very likable. A good friend of mine is christian. I don’t hate god (I can’t hate what I don’t believe in).
Stop arguing. You’re only proving your own intolerance.

And one more thing, where does it state that these quotes are meant to disprove god? They’re just quotes. They no more disprove god than theistic quotes prove god.

There was a wise farmer who had a son and a small plot of land, and they had a horse. The son worked the horse on the field – made some money that was enough for their living.

One day the horse ran away so the neighbours came and said what terrible bad luck. So the farmer said maybe.

The next day the horse came back and brought four wild horses. The neighbours came and said what good luck. Because first you had one horse, now you have five horses. The farmer said maybe.

The third day the son tried to ride one of the wild horses and he fell and broke his leg. The neighbours came again and said what bad luck. The farmer said maybe.

The next day the government servants came to take hold of strong farmers for the army. But this boy had a broken leg so they left him.
Again this was good luck.

So you can take this story on for 365 days. You see happiness is unhappiness. That is what I’m saying. Life as we know it is based on opposites. Sometimes happy, sometimes unhappy, sometimes neither. And that is what life is all about.

Who among us know with any certainty whether by thought or writ anything more than what your senses tell you. Even then we can be deceived. It is known that some chemicals permit the brain to process volumes more information than we would normally process and it is apparently blissful. To lose all sense of time, space and reality. I suppose like it would be before you were born and after you die.

These chemicals break down of mental filters our brains put on reality. Is it those filters on existance that make us require faith? Religion could possibly be a biproduct of mental filtering. Possible? Allowing us to deal with a universe which comes with no instruction. Does atheism allow us to see more, or does religion?

We tell our children to imagine all sorts of wonderful imaginative things. Be innocent and vibrant. Ask questions only a child would ask. But when we get older we must be skeptical, analytical and not permit ourselves to view the world as we choose.

I am an atheist but really it doesn’t matter to me whether he exists or not
I’d rather spend my Sundays on the beach than on my knees and if you haven’t noticed, Einstein may be christian but many founding fathers and Isaac Newton were Atheists

I am a devout atheist however, if I did believe that “god” existed I think that I would loathe him for the way in he’s behaved. If you are a person of faith I would recommend doing what Proud Muslim girl suggested and read the quran, bible or torah (as most people of faith have not) and decide for yourself weather you like this “god” character.

Bottom line – I don’t even care if there is a god.

Still don’t hate me enough to stop reading?

I often hear the argument that without “god”, then what moral guide does one have not to commit murder, steal etc, etc…

I challenge anyone to do a simple Google search. (or even some real research) and have a look at history’s leading serial killers, mass murderers, rapists, war lords…you name the crime. You will be hard pressed to find an atheist’s name attached to such acts.

So why is it then that people of faith who have a moral guide to goodness behave in such a way, while heathens like myself are gentle, respectful pacifists. Like I said above. If there was a god,(and there is not) I’m not on his team.

Peace and enlightenment to you all….And people of faith, if you see me walking down the street please don’t turn to run me down with you car…Remember – “Thou Shall Not Kill”.

I just think Atheists have a respect for the world that christians will never have because they believe that all they have to do is make it through life and then they go to heaven while an atheists realizes that this is all we got and we gotta make the best of it.

another quote I liked that wasn’t on here
“They crossed his legs to save a nail”

1) If God created the world, then who created god? 2) Please explain to me how Gilgamesh, Osiris, Hercules, Dionysus, Odin and Attis, all found in the Bible, are similar to those found in other religions and myths BEFORE the Bible. 3) How can you justify that Jesus made the greatest sacrifice when he knew he would be resurrected? 4) Why does your God, who “loves”, demand the slaughter of nonbelievers? 5) If God has a plan for everyone, how did Lucifer have a choice? 6) How do you explain the scientific findings discrediting religion? 7) Why would your god not want people thinking for themselves? 8) How come Christians can’t support his existence? Please don’t tell me, “You have to have faith.” I’m so sick of that reply. Don’t talk in circles either please!!

well in the end, it all doesnt matter until you die,really.nothing can be proven at all.its basically faith and thats it.losing faith is atheism.having it means you are a christian or whatever, muslim, catholic, etc. lets just end it with,to each his own right??

oh and by the way stalin killed millions because of opposition not religion. read animal farm.it was all avarice.

Stalin…Yes this was his “reason” for killing….Honestly I’m not sure if he believed in god either….I’ll have to look in to this….

I don’t suggest that many of the murderous superstars killer “because” of religion, but rather that they tended to be people who believed in god but still behaved in such a way. Further, If you look at those atheists who committed crimes against humanity, (Mao) I think they saw themselves as “god like”.

imagine 10 newborn babies. they are all innocent and all are pure.now are they going to feed themeselves? a very stupid question……of course not. they are all under the wing of whoever it is. when they grow up, they will take up after the person(s) who took care of them or something that altered their life quite drastically for example hitler losing his mother when a jewish doctor was the one in charge of taking care of her(true story). let me end my note with nobody is born, they are made. great leaders are made not born. tiger woods wasnt born with the skill, he made himself have the skill. eric koston wasnt born doing fakie tres off big four stairs. he worked his ass off for that ender(lakai:fully flared). lastly, the charles manson family wasnt born killing movie stars. i think things in their life profoundly affected them.

oh and he gave everyone free will because he is that amazing. we are not his slaves, and we never will be. it is all a test.if you fail you know what happens? yeah, its either you fail or dont. no c+ or b when you end life.

Interesting thought that. He gave us free will because “he is so amazing”. And for all those victims of those who choose to do evil deeds- I suppose they used their free will to decide they wanted to be stabbed, raped, gassed, shot etc? Where is their free will?

OK – So god in his greatness decided that he would give mass murderers free will and not protect those who perhaps would be the next Gandhi?

I refer to what I wrote above….Even if he did exist, I wouldn’t care for him much given the track record.

What do you think? Would you want to hang out with me (never mind worship me) if I stood by and watched someone kill those 10 babies when I was perfectly capable of helping? You’d probably want to see me burn at the stake.

dude, god is not a superhero , he wont come in and pick up robbers and revive the clerk he just killed. so stop thinking that he will do anything. trose people who were stabbed, gassed, etc to death will now go on to their promised land, so really its all good.in the end, theyll sit comfortably in heaven or whatever they believed in while the killer, if he hasnt repented, will burn in hell. well, that sounds pretty nice to me. this life is temporary, what they believe in is forever.

oh and did you not read grannie smith apple’s comment? the murders are made not born. you dont go up to jordan and say, god im so jealous you came out of your mother with a bulls jacket. he worked his ass for that record in history. everyone is affected by something, and as for the ones being raped young and turning out to be murderers, i think god will be the judge of that.

for me, i think religion is like the stock market. what do you do when its down? youve pretty much quit all stocks. so for you, it will always be a bear market.if you adhere to something long enough, you will have faith

oh and if you are an atheist, what difference will it make if i get your nuts and grape them while i eat your left hand and then put a rat on top of your stomach and get a bucket and burn the bucket until the rat digs his way through your intestines.

i mean what difference does it make when in the end, it will be all black and you would realize that you have died. so nothing really happens. so whats the use? would you want to hang out with me then?

and no i wouldnt want you to be burned at the stake.try being a nihilist. i think its better than being an atheist.although the resemblence is uncanny

p.s. do you know what i realized, when it comes to religion, people sure can type a profusely about these things. when i looked at the comments and saw how lengthy they were, i thought i wasnt going to type that much but i ended up doing so.

First, why are all of the Christian people coming here and reading all of these quotes? Are they looking for atheists to tell them that they’re wrong?

I think that if there was a “god” it would not be the god that everyone thinks of. Maybe it just happens to exist in our universe and not particularly care about us. Or maybe it’s on the other side of the universe.

Thank you “one with a sense of humor”. It’s funny how this forum of “open
discussion” can get such a rise out of people. Comment’s like
“TorontoBlows” – c’mon? If nothing else you’re helping to illustrate my
point man…

You asked what I think – OK Let me address each point in order…Calmly
and respectfully.

“god is not a superhero” Yes and no. In that he was conjured up in a one
of the all time greatest works of fiction…Indeed he is. Fire, brimstone,
floods, locust….Really better than The Green Lantern (My favorite).
Perhaps more of a super villain though….given track record. Also no –
because super hero’s do not exist…(at least not in the sense we’re talking
about)

I much prefer the superhero metaphor for Jesus – Superman. Created by two Jews still waiting for their Messiah to return. A super cool way to make that happen, in my mind. If Superman had been invented 2000 years ago instead of Jesus, all the christians would be worshiping some flying dude in tights and a cape that could leap tall buildings in a single bound right now, and they wouldn’t know the difference. It doesn’t matter the lie, if you perpetuate it for a long enough time and brainwash the ignorant masses into believing it, they will believe it. Up, up and away! Superman is my lord and savior!

Those who suffer will go on to bliss in the promised land – OK – fair
enough….god exists then and chooses to allow people to suffer for however
many years then, decides to sweep them off to his promised land? Although
for some he decides to shower them with riches, power and comfort…yet they
profess faith (the right one I might add) and therefore after their life
of opulence, get to go to the promised land as well. (May I repeat, if he
were there I wouldn’t like him much). I think it’s just as easy to explain
this away by saying that “he has reasons that are mysterious” we just
don’t know what they are….indeed we don’t know…..but what we don’t know we
like to make up. Just like there was a time when we made up other gods.
(zeus, titan, venus, Poseidon, Ra, Nut, Amun, Appolo, Juno Mars, Alkuntam,
Allowat Sakima, Alowatsakima, Amala…the list can get kind of long). It’s
natural for our species to create myth about what we don’t know. We’ve
done this for a very long time. Believing in traditional modern god(s) is
no different than believing Poseidon lies somewhere in the deeps
overseeing the oceans. The loss of this belief if the gaining of something
much greater.

Murderers are made and not born – Many will disagree with this and in fact
provide physical evidence that can be measured and viewed by way of
activity in the brain that dictates various behaviors. The “granny smith
apple comment” was a “comment” based on someone belief. . In fact most
“real” clinical studies suggest that it is a combination of many factors.
If you’re interested in reading up on this I recommend the following as a
good start. Parables and proverbs are probably not the best way to guide
one’s principals.

Referring to that comment though….Why on earth would god have ever allowed
that doctor to care for Hitler’s mother? Surely he knew the consequences

The stock market? LOL – Typically the wealthy sell they’re stock for great
some prior to it’s decline (as they are in the know) while allowing
pension funds life savings to disappear…..Yeah Madoff!

What’s the difference if you eat my left hand and have your rat devour my
intestines? Well, you will have caused great suffering in this, the only
life that I have. You will have deprived my children of a father and wife
of a husband. You will have taken me from my brothers and friends….That’s
all. Remember – “Life is short – But it’s the longest thing you’ll ever
do.

A nihilist? I certainly don’t believe that we are all “pointless” if this
is what you mean. There is great satisfaction in truth. I do believe that
we have a purpose and can guide ourselves towards something really great.
I also believe that we can only do this once we leave the dark ages and
begin trusting ourselves and our own real perceptions. We need to cast off
the blindfold of religion. We need to have FAITH (oh…did I use that word),
yes, faith in ourselves.

With all respect, and understanding that I too am victim of this,
everything you write is based not on any real learning or understanding.
You’ve regurgitated propaganda and rhetoric that’s been forced down your
throat. I don’t say this to insult you. Like I said, I’ve victim of this
as well….The only thing you can do is to QUESTION EVERYTHING! Take
apposing views to see if what you are being told is based in fact. You
decided that god is not a superhero in the context that you described in
order to prove to yourself what you believe is true. You conjured it up in
your head to support your belief. This is something that we do. We need to
explain what we don’t know. (ie. god comes to us) Otherwise, how did you
come to this conclusion about god?

Think of an old urban myth, any one will do. The teller of the myth will
believe what they are telling you. Indeed “this happen to a friend of
theirs”. And the more you don’t believe, the greater the conviction of the
teller. They believed it and to admit that their belief was silly, is
admitting that they were not as clever as they thought, no matter how
silly the belief. I think we’ve all come across an experience such as
this. Believing in god is no different. Admitting that it does not exist
can be crushing…But you can enjoy learning about not what you’ve been
told, but what you can discover for yourself.

In any case – if you believe I’m wrong, please pray for me and perhaps god
will see fit to show me otherwise…that is if he answers prayers…

I am not a Christian, I am not an atheist. However, I will tell both sides this: I will give up my religion right after you pull my gun from my cold dead fingers. Both sides have been warned. There are many of us with this opinion. Mind your own business, stay out of other people’s lives. We are tired of both sides involvement in our affairs!

Call me a baby genius but I knew there was no GOD pretty early in life. My aunt was a Nun and my entire family very religous, my mom made me pray every night. All i heard about in church was all the bad stuff this world has to offer and why i need God and heaven to save me from it, but when i left church everything around me was grand-my family loved me, my friends were cool, i got to play baseball and whiffle ball, swim in the ocean, eat tasty treats, and i started asking myself “what the fuck is wrong with this:?

Every instance in life right down to the second can be looked at as bad or good and both arguments may be valid, it is up to you how you see things, Religion wants you to see the bad and teaches you to see the bad side to validate this heaven and God shit. I am blind to God because I am blind to the negative. Without these negative fixations you dont need God. I get angry because so many people around me that i love are so damn foolish in beleiving this shit. Just like catholics who look down on us and think they are better because the believe I look down on them because they are adult 3 year olds who will obviously believe in anything anyone tells them.

I have an experiment for every religous person that walks the earth. Do you really want to meet your creator? Do you really want to know if there is a GOD? Most probably dont because deep down inside they already know the answer they are just too coward to trust their own inner feelings, but i digress. Everyone needs to jointly STOP! If you are of faith ignore your GOD, let your last prayer say “God i love you but in order for me to devote my quality time and hard earned money so that my pastor can fly his private jet to some 3rd world country where he can lay with little boys i am sending you my last prayer until you show me hard evidence that you exist. I love you and good day.” God will then with his ego be forced to show himself with all his followers ignoring him. Whats he gonna do send the entire population to hell?? Fine then, sounds like a fucking party. And if nothing happens then so be it. What are you missing? I have taunted God in prayer, I have challenged him to test me, i have cursed to him and berated him and all he can do is give me the greates life imaginable? Know why, because I went out and made my life the greatest imaginable with no thanks to him. We as individuals crerate our own destiny if you choose, some just sit around praying for something to happen while fixating on all the negative while giving their money and time to something that is more fake than a snake made out of play dough. Dont believe me? Atleast I can hold the play dough snake. If you are a beliver maybe you shopuld stop reading this and go make sure some priest isnt holding your sons snake Ahhhhh ha ha ha ha ahhhh ha ha ha ha ha

Who says atheists cannot turn the tables and destroy the religious for once? Violence is necessary as most religious fools will not come to the side of truth and reason. And just because something is true doesn’t mean we don’t have to fight for it. Most Christians would love to have Armeggedon occur during their lifetimes, and I will be happy to oblige.

I find it funny how believers get so offended by our beliefs.. ior disbeliefs for that matter. our oppioun means just as much as the popes. George Calin put it best when he sai, “I have as much authority as the Pope, I just don’t have as many people who believe it.”

the only thing i’ve ever gotten out of religion was a good bed time story as a kid. i went to a religious highschool, and i was raised roman catholic. it was in my sophmore year that i realised something wasn’t right about what i was being tought. ever since we were little kids we’ve been told to question the “norm.” to ask “where?” “why?” and “how?”
so the questions i have for believers are: where is the evidence of gods existance, evidence which can’t be proven by science. and where did god come from? Why does god exist and why hasn’t he shown himself to us? how can a superbeing exist when nothing else existed? and how is it that we are all given this ability to be with god when several million people have never even heard of him/her? do they not matter to god?

the only time these questions will be answered are when we die. so in the end, the joke is on us.

I like that George Carlin quote. He finally said something intelligent with that.

And no, Christianity and Catholicism are not synonymous. The Catholic church is the whore of Revelation. Christians are those who have a relationship with Jesus Christ. Christianity and religion aren’t even synonymous.

wow…to the guy who made like a 2 page long comment, and to the people fighting over this…get a life. As an anthiest myself, I don’t go around preaching “god is fake, gtfo off religion” but if someone shoves god in my face I will defend why i disbelive and leave it at that. I don’t vigorously fight christians or hindus or whatever their belief is. You all are just undermining how you’re saying religion creates war. It’s not religion or athiesm, it’s different opinions. Its human nature to belive what you believe is right. When you can understand that some people like blue eyes and some people like brown, and just leave it at that…

Then you are mature. there are friggen 40 yr olds fighting over this and got nothing better to do. Me, personally, am 14 yrs old and of course have nothing better to do at 3am. but at least i’m not going “HURRRRR” over a chewtoy of conflicts.

(forgive spelling mistakes and the lack of punctuation. It doesnt make me uneducated, it makes me a good time manager.)

oh yea and it was “sudeep chatterjee” who had no life. once you started going into the “wealth” shit i just didnt even bother reading the rest. you’re trying to sound deep and smart, when your just bringing up obvious junk. accept the fact that that’s how our government is run, and theres nothing you can do to change that.

It will yet be the proud boast of women that they never contributed a line to the Bible. – George W. Foote

Does anyone not think that this was so because the bible was written during a time when “men” were considered superior? How backwards in time does that take us as a society? People are following the bible back to a time when logic was not easily explained. If man created the bible today how different it would be……

Great that people are willing to follow a story about a bunch of men sitting around in their robes, drinking “holy” wine and then putting their drunken thoughts together to create the bible. No wonder we are left questioning the fiction we read.

Let’s put ‘God’ into perspective here. The further back in history we go, we obviously get closer to first man. Based on the earliest writings we have been able to dig up, the Egyptians, Sumerian, Babylonians and the Assyrians (all cultures that date as far back as 5000 b.c.e.) all believed in many gods.
One would think that the closer we would get to the “creation of man”, the more pure the belief in this one god would be. However, we find quite the opposite. Yet, Christianity, Judaism and Islam all dismiss the idea of more than one god. Paganism thrived for five thousand years before the idea of the Jesus guy cam along. And two thousand years later, Paganism is still quite a popular belief system. So, why would those that call themselves Christian, Jewish and/or Muslim dismiss polytheism?

Laura – that is completely crazy. We are not born inherently believing in god. We don’t believe in ANYTHING until we are taught it. Where do you get your information? Here’s what I can guarantee you. You, who called the Catholic Church the “whore of Revelation,” would more than likely believe as Catholic’s do if you were born into a family of Catholics. The same is true for Islam, Hinduism, Protestant, etc. You believe what you are taught from a very young age. Children believe that Santa Claus is real because their parents say so. The same is true for religion. You may eventually leave that church or belief system (you do know Santa Claus isn’t real, right?), but you would believe it until you finally opened your eyes and questioned it. Why not try that with god in general?

Its funny to think that what scares religious people is the fact that you will die and disappear as a human being.
I am proud to be the guy who does something to be remembered that the guy who prays to live on.
The main reason why religion likes to control information is that informed people are not religious.
It would be nice to think that there is someone or something out there that will protect me and help me make the right decisions in my life and will help me succeed. In fact there is such thing its called reason.

Ego eimi katholikos.(I am catholic) Theos Logos Parakletos(Thought Word Spirit)In analogy, Father God is thought. The only begotten son is word. In analogy, my faith is not claiming to know but rather claiming that it can be known. I am Catholic.

These quotes are rather good, and people everything in the bible can be disproven. If they can’t be disproven then it shows god does not believe in forgivness.
There was a quote by a man “an invisible blue teapot circles the earth and it is what holds all the answers” he was ridiculed for this but had a very valid point “if i can’t believe in this then how is it you can believe in a man that is three in one” i forget the name of the guy though. and what the hell is up with the flying spaghetti monster there is a church for it religion is so stupid.

The Ten Commandments, a set of general, Policies Rules, and Guidelines (PRGs) or a set of political diktats needed to keep together a bunch of refugee tribes escaping from Egyptian tyranny.
Christians in particular claim these Ten Commandments like other parts of the Bible should be taken literally, so let’s take a look at them, not from some theological position or standpoint but from the point of view of the simple lay person who is asked to believe and follow these rules and live their lives governed by them.
Even the numbers of commandments seem to differ from religion to religion from denomination to denomination and from sect to sect, Just how many are there and what relevance do they have today.
Three or four thousand years ago and right up to modern times, virtually all leaders, kings pharaohs etc either claimed to be living gods or at least especially picked by a god. It is how they kept control and demonstrated their power over their minions. The Pope for example claims to be the infallible vicar of Christ. Of course not all Christians believe this and hundreds of thousands have died because they said they don’t.
So what makes Moses, this guy who sneaked off up a mountain to have a meeting with a God, any different, in fact he would be expected to be chosen by a god or at least in direct contact with some powerful supernatural entity. As for the commandments surely anyone taking on the task of leading a bunch of refugees across a desert for 40 or so years has to set out some rules of behaviour or the social cohesion would not exist and the tribes would drift away on their own.
This group of refugees are moving out from well organised settled lives to wander across a very harsh wilderness so it’s not surprising that there should be some pretty strict rules and what better way to ensure compliance than by saying they come direct from god himself, but why all the secrecy and if these wretched people were slaves of the Egyptians and fleeing this intolerable existence where did they get their slaves from are we to believe that as slaves of the Egyptians they had slaves of their own. If the Almighty Hebrew god was so concerned about ‘his people’ why all the theatricals he after all promises to brush aside the people that already inhabit Israel, the Egyptians wouldn’t have been much of a problem after all they didn’t have real gods to help them did they.
The lists known as the Ten Commandments are given in passages in two books of the Bible: Exodus 20:2–17, Exodus 34:11–27 and Deuteronomy 5:6–21. Various religions and denominations group the commandments differently; In fact they are interpreted so differently it is impossible to find a consensus. It would appear that it became necessary to shorten the list to ten that most could agree on. Some put these differences down to translation others to interpretation if this is the case how can they possible be taken literally.

The Roman Catholic Church uses the translation ‘kill’ (less specific) instead of ‘murder’. Some Lutheran churches use a slightly different division of the Ninth and Tenth Commandments (9. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbours’ house; 10. You shall not covet your neighbour’s wife, or his workers, or his cattle, or anything that is your neighbour’s). Sources within Judaism assert that this is a reference to kidnapping, whereas Leviticus 19:11 is the Biblical reference banning the stealing of property. This understanding is based on the Talmudical hermeneutic known as ??? ???? ???????/davar ha-lamed me-inyano, (lit. Something proved by the context), by which this must refer to a capital offense just as the previous two commandments refer to capital offenses. The “Talmudic Division” is the breakdown held by modern Judaism, and dates to at least the Third Century. The “Philonic Division”, which dates to the first century, is found in the writings of Philo and Josephus. They ended the first commandment after verse 3 and list the second commandment as verses 4-6, similar to most Protestants (non-Lutheran) and the Eastern Orthodox Church.

So let’s look at these PRGs from Exodus 20:2–17

The Name of the LORD represents His power, actions, and reputation in the universe. Almighty God cannot be “conjured” or treated as an object, since He is the Master of the Universe and subject to no one. It is chilul HaShem to attempt to invoke the Name of God for selfish or manipulative purposes (Exodus 20:7).
Is this not exactly what people do when they pray? Do all the Saints and Icons of the modern Church not represent Idols? Or the fact that Christianity is riven with schisms with each new breakaway Church claiming God as their own not treating god as an object to be fought over like two dogs with a bone.
• I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;
So is this God the same one the Christian worship? Because if it is why is there such a difference between their respective religions. Neither Christianity nor Judaism has anything remotely in common. The plagues of Egypt can now be seen as being natural disasters, which are so easily claimed as acts of an angry god after the fact.

• Do not have any other gods before me.
Why mention other Gods if he is the only one, just how many are there?
Or is this an indication that this God like all others is just a made up a device for controlling the masses..
If indeed there are no other Gods why is this one so worried about this, after all worshiping some inanimate object should only cause concern for the person’s sanity and couldn’t possibly be a threat to an almighty God, maybe just a hint of paranoia along with the jealousy then.

• You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
So it would appear that this God does indeed think that there are other Gods to worry about. In fact they seem to be everywhere. If so where are they hiding?
• You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me,
Surely for a God this is pretty vindictive, malevolent, malignant and downright brutish behaviour. Would you want this as a friend? Sounds like, this God has some serious mental health issues. Three or four generations sounds a bit on the harsh side but dictatorial Gods are just like their human counterparts.
• But showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.
A pretty big promise here? Three or four generations of punishment dished out for a wee bit of wickedness but rewards for keeping the faith run to a thousand generations. No wonder people followed this guy; he should have written a book on motivational techniques.
• You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.
No turning the other cheek for this God then. It is all sounding more threatening than loving but what the hell all megalomaniacs sound the same.
• Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy.
Oops seems that he should have said which day it is, as there seems so much confusion about whether it is Saturday or Sunday, which are curiously both named after Pagan Gods, .which I don’t suppose pleases this bad tempered sod.
• For six days you shall labour and do all your work.
Obviously not a farmer then, or someone who needs to work to survive. An early version of the European Working Time Directive, working like slaves 24/6 cheers mate.
• But the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns.
This God seems to be really hung up on the diktats. And where do the aliens come from Mars perhaps. Here again he seems to endorse slavery, and where did the ‘towns’ come from these refugees were wandering about aimlessly in the desert.
• For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and consecrated it.
The more you say it the more bizarre it sounds. I think he should have explained this a bit more as it has led to the most outrageous claims. That he didn’t really do it but a thing called Evolution, Natural selection and millions of years where needed, ok, if he was trying to keep it simple for the wandering ex slaves with their towns we might be being just a little too critical. So does your god believe that slavery is ok but working on the Sabbath day that one he took off as a rest day is a sin? The mind boggles at this hypocrisy and what about the rest of the time since, a six day career or has he taken early retirement.
• Honour your father and your mother, so that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.
Is this the holy land perhaps, the land that’s now so full of holes the same land that now flows with blood rather than milk and honey?

• You shall not kill
Kill or murder let’s not quibble about the words they both mean someone dies, not much notice is taken of this particular one anyway as two thousand years of Christian barbarity can testify, to say nothing of the killing going on in the Holy land as we speak.
• You shall not commit adultery.
Another one that is completely ignored
• You shall not steal.
Unless it is from some one that does not believe or is this just a guidance, a bit of wishful thinking or did it lose something in translation. Stealing is exactly what Christianity does best.. For the Americans amongst you try asking what’s left of your own indigenous people.
• You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.
Tell this to the Popes and the Bishops that have slaughtered millions in genocidal rampages across the world. That committed incest rape and adultery. Tell this to the Jews who stole the Palestinians land. Tell this to the indigenous peoples of the world that had their lands taken from them their children stolen, their gold and wealth taken from them at the point of a sword. Yep his followers really know how to break the rules. Must be another one that is left up to you to decide whether or not to obey.
• You shall not covet your neighbour’s house; you shall not covet your neighbour’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour.
Slavery again, no mention of paedophilia yet i.e. coveting your neighbours kids., I wonder if this is why it’s so popular amongst priests and it’s ok to do a bit of coveting if you are a God coveting the Egyptians slaves and worse he waited till all that building work was done.
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Exodus 34:11–27
• Observe what I command you today. See, I will drive out before you the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
Not just coveting here or petty larceny this is downright genocide, Hitler couldn’t have said it more menacingly.
• Take care not to make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land to which you are going, or it will become a snare among you.
No peace treaties, definitely sounds as if this is his final solution.
• You shall tear down their altars, break their pillars, and cut down their sacred poles.
Yep a Blitz Krieg reign of terror.
• (For you shall worship no other god, because the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God).
A Jealous, bloodthirsty war mongering and genocidal maniac who is paranoid about other nonexistent Gods more like.
• You shall not make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to their gods, someone among them will invite you, and you will eat of the sacrifice.
This paranoia is getting beyond a joke, which one of the ex slaves would dare break this rule and face the wrath of this dictatorial nut. Oops the Christians.
• And you will take wives from among their daughters for your sons, and their daughters who prostitute themselves to their gods will make your sons also prostitute themselves to their gods.
Afraid of these femme fatales or is God losing faith in his chosen people,.
• You shall not make cast idols.
Just when they were getting out of the Neolithic, none of him either presumably or literally speaking. Oops these darn Christians should pay more attention. Would TV Evangelists fall into this category as most of them seem wooden? And idolised.
• You shall keep the festival of unleavened bread. For seven days you shall eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you, at the time appointed in the month of Abib; for in the month of Abib you came out from Egypt.
This one can’t be taken literally it must only be for the Jews, if not oops again, Never seen a Big Mac in an unleavened bun.
The next lot of commandments deal with the cost of joining this select band of wandering ex slaves
• All that first opens the womb is mine, all your male livestock, the firstborn of cow and sheep. The firstborn of a donkey you shall redeem with a lamb, or if you will not redeem it you shall break its neck. All the firstborn of your sons you shall redeem. No one shall appear before me empty-handed.
High price to pay for your freedom, human sacrifice just about tops the league on cruelty. Or shouldn’t we take this too literally? And what in hell is god going to do with all these sheep, goats, donkeys and cows etc
• For six days you shall work, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even in ploughing time and in harvest time you shall rest.
More Working Time Regulations, But no mention in this one about men from mars or slaves having a day off.
• You shall observe the festival of weeks, the first fruits of wheat harvest, and the festival of ingathering at the turn of the year.
The Christians just renamed this. Most if not all farming communities celebrate harvest time so this is nothing new and I doubt if it needed to be enshrined in Law.
• Three times in the year all your males shall appear before the Lord God, the God of Israel.
A wee bit sexist or still afraid of the girlies, much the same as today really.
• For I will cast out nations before you, and enlarge your borders; no one shall covet your land when you go up to appear before the Lord your God three times in the year.
Must have repealed this one because there has been a lot of coveting going on round the holy land lately, along with all that flowing blood and making holes in each other.
• You shall not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven, and the sacrifice of the festival of the Passover shall not be left until the morning.
The Christians amongst you aren’t doing too well at this commandment thing, this is another one that you let slip.
• The best of the first fruits of your ground you shall bring to the house of the Lord your God.
The best to the High Priests who sit about doing bugger all except, making up Working Time Directives of course.

• You shall not boil a kid in its mother’s milk.
You don’t have to be Gordon Ramsay to know this; it’s just ‘Fucking’ sick. And why would a god be bothered about recipes.

So what have we got a set of rules for a bunch of superstitious refugee Hebrews?
Some sound bites, a bit of spin and propaganda and a huge number of threats.
Or the literal historical word of a Jealous Genocidal, bloodthirsty and paranoid god running a protection racket to keep a bunch of equally malignant high priests in power to service their vanity and greed.
What surprises me most is not that people believe this rubbish comes from a god, but the fact that they think that they are following these commandments today.
As an Atheist I of course had already made up my mind at about the age of ten or was it twenty seven but then what’s in a number. Even as a child I could see that these laws, commandments or PRGs were being used to manipulate the Hebrews, they are nothing more than what was needed at the time. As mankind advanced Theology was needed to insert new meaning, new interpretations and to twist what was essentially tribal laws into political tools.
Do Christians believe in the Hebrew God? If so why all the differences we see today?
Or is it that humans need to be governed, ruled by an Alpha type leader. All religions change, not by commands from god but by very human leaders. Throughout the history of mankind religions and politics have been closely bound, political systems change and so have Gods. The ancient Greeks, Romans, Mayans and all the multitude that make up the population of this planet believed in their Gods with as much faith as any evangelical christian today. So to have the political systems from God Kings, Emperors, Pharaohs, Chiefs, Elders and all the rest of the political classes. Both evolve to suit their times; to cling to the past no matter how comforting is to stifle mankind’s thirst for knowledge. If you want to hold on to the past, that’s ok but don’t hold the rest of us back with preposterous notions that god wants us to be like a semi nomadic tribe wandering across the desert escaping persecution from Man Gods and Demons.

Man most certainly made God in his own image a very nasty being and Christianity came up with the most brutal and nasty of them all.

The Ten Commandments, a set of general, Policies Rules, and Guidelines (PRGs) or a set of political diktats needed to keep together a bunch of refugee tribes escaping from Egyptian tyranny.
Christians in particular claim these Ten Commandments like other parts of the Bible should be taken literally, so let’s take a look at them, not from some theological position or standpoint but from the point of view of the simple lay person who is asked to believe and follow these rules and live their lives governed by them.
Even the numbers of commandments seem to differ from religion to religion from denomination to denomination and from sect to sect, Just how many are there and what relevance do they have today.
Three or four thousand years ago and right up to modern times, virtually all leaders, kings pharaohs etc either claimed to be living gods or at least especially picked by a god. It is how they kept control and demonstrated their power over their minions. The Pope for example claims to be the infallible vicar of Christ. Of course not all Christians believe this and hundreds of thousands have died because they said they don’t.
So what makes Moses, this guy who sneaked off up a mountain to have a meeting with a God, any different, in fact he would be expected to be chosen by a god or at least in direct contact with some powerful supernatural entity. As for the commandments surely anyone taking on the task of leading a bunch of refugees across a desert for 40 or so years has to set out some rules of behaviour or the social cohesion would not exist and the tribes would drift away on their own.
This group of refugees are moving out from well organised settled lives to wander across a very harsh wilderness so it’s not surprising that there should be some pretty strict rules and what better way to ensure compliance than by saying they come direct from god himself, but why all the secrecy and if these wretched people were slaves of the Egyptians and fleeing this intolerable existence where did they get their slaves from are we to believe that as slaves of the Egyptians they had slaves of their own. If the Almighty Hebrew god was so concerned about ‘his people’ why all the theatricals he after all promises to brush aside the people that already inhabit Israel, the Egyptians wouldn’t have been much of a problem after all they didn’t have real gods to help them did they.
The lists known as the Ten Commandments are given in passages in two books of the Bible: Exodus 20:2–17, Exodus 34:11–27 and Deuteronomy 5:6–21. Various religions and denominations group the commandments differently; In fact they are interpreted so differently it is impossible to find a consensus. It would appear that it became necessary to shorten the list to ten that most could agree on. Some put these differences down to translation others to interpretation if this is the case how can they possible be taken literally.

The Roman Catholic Church uses the translation ‘kill’ (less specific) instead of ‘murder’. Some Lutheran churches use a slightly different division of the Ninth and Tenth Commandments (9. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbours’ house; 10. You shall not covet your neighbour’s wife, or his workers, or his cattle, or anything that is your neighbour’s). Sources within Judaism assert that this is a reference to kidnapping, whereas Leviticus 19:11 is the Biblical reference banning the stealing of property. This understanding is based on the Talmudical hermeneutic known as ??? ???? ???????/davar ha-lamed me-inyano, (lit. Something proved by the context), by which this must refer to a capital offense just as the previous two commandments refer to capital offenses. The “Talmudic Division” is the breakdown held by modern Judaism, and dates to at least the Third Century. The “Philonic Division”, which dates to the first century, is found in the writings of Philo and Josephus. They ended the first commandment after verse 3 and list the second commandment as verses 4-6, similar to most Protestants (non-Lutheran) and the Eastern Orthodox Church.

So let’s look at these PRGs from Exodus 20:2–17

The Name of the LORD represents His power, actions, and reputation in the universe. Almighty God cannot be “conjured” or treated as an object, since He is the Master of the Universe and subject to no one. It is chilul HaShem to attempt to invoke the Name of God for selfish or manipulative purposes (Exodus 20:7).
Is this not exactly what people do when they pray? Do all the Saints and Icons of the modern Church not represent Idols? Or the fact that Christianity is riven with schisms with each new breakaway Church claiming God as their own not treating god as an object to be fought over like two dogs with a bone.
• I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;
So is this God the same one the Christian worship? Because if it is why is there such a difference between their respective religions. Neither Christianity nor Judaism has anything remotely in common. The plagues of Egypt can now be seen as being natural disasters, which are so easily claimed as acts of an angry god after the fact.

• Do not have any other gods before me.
Why mention other Gods if he is the only one, just how many are there?
Or is this an indication that this God like all others is just a made up a device for controlling the masses..
If indeed there are no other Gods why is this one so worried about this, after all worshiping some inanimate object should only cause concern for the person’s sanity and couldn’t possibly be a threat to an almighty God, maybe just a hint of paranoia along with the jealousy then.

• You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
So it would appear that this God does indeed think that there are other Gods to worry about. In fact they seem to be everywhere. If so where are they hiding?
• You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me,
Surely for a God this is pretty vindictive, malevolent, malignant and downright brutish behaviour. Would you want this as a friend? Sounds like, this God has some serious mental health issues. Three or four generations sounds a bit on the harsh side but dictatorial Gods are just like their human counterparts.
• But showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.
A pretty big promise here? Three or four generations of punishment dished out for a wee bit of wickedness but rewards for keeping the faith run to a thousand generations. No wonder people followed this guy; he should have written a book on motivational techniques.
• You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.
No turning the other cheek for this God then. It is all sounding more threatening than loving but what the hell all megalomaniacs sound the same.
• Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy.
Oops seems that he should have said which day it is, as there seems so much confusion about whether it is Saturday or Sunday, which are curiously both named after Pagan Gods, .which I don’t suppose pleases this bad tempered sod.
• For six days you shall labour and do all your work.
Obviously not a farmer then, or someone who needs to work to survive. An early version of the European Working Time Directive, working like slaves 24/6 cheers mate.
• But the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns.
This God seems to be really hung up on the diktats. And where do the aliens come from Mars perhaps. Here again he seems to endorse slavery, and where did the ‘towns’ come from these refugees were wandering about aimlessly in the desert.
• For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and consecrated it.
The more you say it the more bizarre it sounds. I think he should have explained this a bit more as it has led to the most outrageous claims. That he didn’t really do it but a thing called Evolution, Natural selection and millions of years where needed, ok, if he was trying to keep it simple for the wandering ex slaves with their towns we might be being just a little too critical. So does your god believe that slavery is ok but working on the Sabbath day that one he took off as a rest day is a sin? The mind boggles at this hypocrisy and what about the rest of the time since, a six day career or has he taken early retirement.
• Honour your father and your mother, so that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.
Is this the holy land perhaps, the land that’s now so full of holes the same land that now flows with blood rather than milk and honey?

• You shall not kill
Kill or murder let’s not quibble about the words they both mean someone dies, not much notice is taken of this particular one anyway as two thousand years of Christian barbarity can testify, to say nothing of the killing going on in the Holy land as we speak.
• You shall not commit adultery.
Another one that is completely ignored
• You shall not steal.
Unless it is from some one that does not believe or is this just a guidance, a bit of wishful thinking or did it lose something in translation. Stealing is exactly what Christianity does best.. For the Americans amongst you try asking what’s left of your own indigenous people.
• You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.
Tell this to the Popes and the Bishops that have slaughtered millions in genocidal rampages across the world. That committed incest rape and adultery. Tell this to the Jews who stole the Palestinians land. Tell this to the indigenous peoples of the world that had their lands taken from them their children stolen, their gold and wealth taken from them at the point of a sword. Yep his followers really know how to break the rules. Must be another one that is left up to you to decide whether or not to obey.
• You shall not covet your neighbour’s house; you shall not covet your neighbour’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour.
Slavery again, no mention of paedophilia yet i.e. coveting your neighbours kids., I wonder if this is why it’s so popular amongst priests and it’s ok to do a bit of coveting if you are a God coveting the Egyptians slaves and worse he waited till all that building work was done.
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Exodus 34:11–27
• Observe what I command you today. See, I will drive out before you the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
Not just coveting here or petty larceny this is downright genocide, Hitler couldn’t have said it more menacingly.
• Take care not to make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land to which you are going, or it will become a snare among you.
No peace treaties, definitely sounds as if this is his final solution.
• You shall tear down their altars, break their pillars, and cut down their sacred poles.
Yep a Blitz Krieg reign of terror.
• (For you shall worship no other god, because the Lord, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God).
A Jealous, bloodthirsty war mongering and genocidal maniac who is paranoid about other nonexistent Gods more like.
• You shall not make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, for when they prostitute themselves to their gods and sacrifice to their gods, someone among them will invite you, and you will eat of the sacrifice.
This paranoia is getting beyond a joke, which one of the ex slaves would dare break this rule and face the wrath of this dictatorial nut. Oops the Christians.
• And you will take wives from among their daughters for your sons, and their daughters who prostitute themselves to their gods will make your sons also prostitute themselves to their gods.
Afraid of these femme fatales or is God losing faith in his chosen people,.
• You shall not make cast idols.
Just when they were getting out of the Neolithic, none of him either presumably or literally speaking. Oops these darn Christians should pay more attention. Would TV Evangelists fall into this category as most of them seem wooden? And idolised.
• You shall keep the festival of unleavened bread. For seven days you shall eat unleavened bread, as I commanded you, at the time appointed in the month of Abib; for in the month of Abib you came out from Egypt.
This one can’t be taken literally it must only be for the Jews, if not oops again, Never seen a Big Mac in an unleavened bun.
The next lot of commandments deal with the cost of joining this select band of wandering ex slaves
• All that first opens the womb is mine, all your male livestock, the firstborn of cow and sheep. The firstborn of a donkey you shall redeem with a lamb, or if you will not redeem it you shall break its neck. All the firstborn of your sons you shall redeem. No one shall appear before me empty-handed.
High price to pay for your freedom, human sacrifice just about tops the league on cruelty. Or shouldn’t we take this too literally? And what in hell is god going to do with all these sheep, goats, donkeys and cows etc
• For six days you shall work, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even in ploughing time and in harvest time you shall rest.
More Working Time Regulations, But no mention in this one about men from mars or slaves having a day off.
• You shall observe the festival of weeks, the first fruits of wheat harvest, and the festival of ingathering at the turn of the year.
The Christians just renamed this. Most if not all farming communities celebrate harvest time so this is nothing new and I doubt if it needed to be enshrined in Law.
• Three times in the year all your males shall appear before the Lord God, the God of Israel.
A wee bit sexist or still afraid of the girlies, much the same as today really.
• For I will cast out nations before you, and enlarge your borders; no one shall covet your land when you go up to appear before the Lord your God three times in the year.
Must have repealed this one because there has been a lot of coveting going on round the holy land lately, along with all that flowing blood and making holes in each other.
• You shall not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven, and the sacrifice of the festival of the Passover shall not be left until the morning.
The Christians amongst you aren’t doing too well at this commandment thing, this is another one that you let slip.
• The best of the first fruits of your ground you shall bring to the house of the Lord your God.
The best to the High Priests who sit about doing bugger all except, making up Working Time Directives of course.

• You shall not boil a kid in its mother’s milk.
You don’t have to be Gordon Ramsay to know this; it’s just ‘Fucking’ sick. And why would a god be bothered about recipes.

So what have we got a set of rules for a bunch of superstitious refugee Hebrews?
Some sound bites, a bit of spin and propaganda and a huge number of threats.
Or the literal historical word of a Jealous Genocidal, bloodthirsty and paranoid god running a protection racket to keep a bunch of equally malignant high priests in power to service their vanity and greed.
What surprises me most is not that people believe this rubbish comes from a god, but the fact that they think that they are following these commandments today.
As an Atheist I of course had already made up my mind at about the age of ten or was it twenty seven but then what’s in a number. Even as a child I could see that these laws, commandments or PRGs were being used to manipulate the Hebrews, they are nothing more than what was needed at the time. As mankind advanced Theology was needed to insert new meaning, new interpretations and to twist what was essentially tribal laws into political tools.
Do Christians believe in the Hebrew God? If so why all the differences we see today?
Or is it that humans need to be governed, ruled by an Alpha type leader. All religions change, not by commands from god but by very human leaders. Throughout the history of mankind religions and politics have been closely bound, political systems change and so have Gods. The ancient Greeks, Romans, Mayans and all the multitude that make up the population of this planet believed in their Gods with as much faith as any evangelical christian today. So to have the political systems from God Kings, Emperors, Pharaohs, Chiefs, Elders and all the rest of the political classes. Both evolve to suit their times; to cling to the past no matter how comforting is to stifle mankind’s thirst for knowledge. If you want to hold on to the past, that’s ok but don’t hold the rest of us back with preposterous notions that god wants us to be like a semi nomadic tribe wandering across the desert escaping persecution from Man Gods and Demons.

Man most certainly made God in his own image a very nasty being and Christianity came up with the most brutal and nasty of them all.

EVOLUTION at work The survival of the ruthless
Christianity in all its guises, so just how homogeneous is Christianity? Which Branch or Sect speaks for God? Which one should we believe?
Catholicism Roman Catholic Church – Latin Catholic Church – Eastern Catholic Churches – Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church Old Catholic Church
Protestantism Baptist churches – Calvinist churches Reformed churches Presbyterianism Congregationalism Methodism – Lutheranism – Anabaptism/Radical Reformation Mennonites Amish Hutterites Church of the Brethren – Brethren in Christ Open Brethren Quakers The Vineyard Calvary Chapel –
Pentecostalism Assemblies of God New Apostolic Church Kimbanguist Church, Church of God in Christ – The Pentecostal Mission Apostolic Church, Church of God (Cleveland) Korean, Presbyterian Church, Christian Congregation of Brazil, Church of the Lord (Aladura) Zion Christian Church International Church of the Foursquare Gospel Universal Church of the Kingdom of God
Restorationism Seventh-day Adventists, Latter-day Saints, Restoration Movement Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) Church of Christ Independent Christian Churches/Churches of Christ, Evangelical Free Churches
Nontrinitarianism, Jehovah’s Witnesses Iglesia ni Cristo Oneness Pentecostals Unitarianism Christadelphians
Eastern Orthodoxy Autocehalous churches Russian Orthodox Church Romanian Orthodox Church Serbian Orthodox Church, Church of Greece Bulgarian Orthodox Church Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Kyiv Ptriaarchate) Georgian Orthodox and Apostolic Church Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch Orthodox Church in America Polish Orthodox Church Czech and Slovak Orthodox Church Albanian Orthodox Church Cypriot Orthodox Church Greek Orthodox Church of Alexandria Ukrainian Autocehalous Orthodox Church Greek Orthodox Church of Jerusalem
Autonomous churches Ukrainian Orthodox Church (Moscow Patriarchate) Moldovan Orthodox Church Metropolis of Western Europe Finnish Orthodox Church Chinese Orthodox Church Estonian Orthodox Church Japanese Orthodox Church Russian Orthodox Church Outside Russia Metropolitan Church of Bessaraia Latviann Orthodox Church Orthodox Church of Mount Sinai Orthodox Ohrid Archbishopric
Orthodox
Church of Greece (Holy Synod in Resistance) Old Calendar Romanian Orthodox Church Old Calendar Bulgarian Orthodox Church
Not universally recognized churches Macedonian Orthodox Church Ukrainian Orthodox Church – Kiev Patriarchate Croatian Orthodox Church Montenegrin Orthodox Church KaramanliTrkish Orthodox church Orthodox Church in Italy
Church of the Genuine Orthodox Christians of Greece Russian True Orthodox Church Ukrainian Autocephaly Orthodox Church Autonomous Ukrainian Orthodox Church in America Belarusian Autocephaly Orthodox Church Old Believers
Anglicanism Anglican Communion Continuing Anglican Movement Oriental Orthodoxy Ethiopian Orthodox Church Coptic Orthodox Church – Armenian Apostolic Church Indian Orthodox Church – Syriac Orthodox Church Malankara Orthodox Church Eritrean Orthodox Church Mar Thoma Syrian Church Malabar Independent Syrian Church Assyrian Church of the East
Many Christians, regard the Bible as inspired by God yet written by a variety of men from different countries and traditions over thousands of years.
Many others regard both the New and Old Testament as the undiluted Word of God, spoken by God and written down in its perfect form by humans. Still others hold the Bible as infallible.
Then you have the modern day religions ranging from Joseph Smith and his Latter Day Saints Movement and their holy book of Mormon. Mr. Smith claimed to have direct instructions and revelations from God, so why did he have to set up his very own religion to get his message out.
The answer is short ‘belief’.
I’ve had to miss a few hundred out of this list as they either have too few members i.e The Crystal Healing Sect (20) in Cornwall England who believe Jesus was a rock and worship quartz crystals, or their leaders are in mental institutions because they believe they are God.

You get the idea, If they can’t even agree amongst themselves and slaughter each other because they can’t agree what chance have you got to get them to even consider anything else.

It’s like a virus that just keeps on mutating you can’t reason with it, all you can hope for is that one day we will find a cure.

I read the first few comments and the few before this one. id just like to say that i find it humorous when such strong believers in christianity read a whole lot of these quotes then ‘comment’ by getting angry at the fact that their religion is being attacked in some way, shape or form. What exactly are you guys expecting? and why, if you are so sure of your faith, are you reading about the beliefs of those who disagree with you, then getting upset?
seems to me like you are searching for answers, then getting upset with yourself as you try to justify the opposite of the convincing arguments in front of you.

What is the difference between believing in Jesus and Zeus? My religion is much older than yours. If yours is right, what happened to all the people that lived before Jesus (plato, socrates, archimedes) was born? Are they all burning in hell? They were not christians…

10 Commandments? 100? And based on how many contortionist philosopher theories? How about just one rule, Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. It’s as old as caveman and it ain’t rocket science.

People who belief in a religion seem to without question, and that a vicar, priest or which ever religion anchor you see on a sunday, is totally in touch with the all mighty. They’ll tell stories from the bible and people listen. do not judge it or question it. Every thing a preist does is in god’s name. You could say they we’re best buddies, whatever the vicar is doing, he/she knows that god is looking down on them proud of what they are doing. Would this be a fair comment?

Thank you Wan for your comment, what i am trying to understand, as a fellow athist, is that when these vicar’s are totally for god’s work, then that would mean that when one of these priest’s start’s to groom and abuse young children and vunerible people, is god enjoying it also, an avid onlooker as he is said to be everywhere, is it’s god’s pay per view. If there is a god, which Wan & I think there is not, would any thing bad happen to such innocent people. I think not.

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statement is bring back to all Public Meetings etc. a TIME FOR
REFLECTION a minute or two. THIS IN ITSELF WILL GIVE EACH
PERSON TIME TO THINK AND IF NOTHING ELSE…RESPECT FOR
OTHERS….AND LIFE IN GENERAL. DON’T PASS THIS OPPORTUNITY
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“Guilt is like a bag of fucking bricks. All you gotta do is set it down… Who are you carrying all those bricks for anyway? God? Is that it? God? Well I tell you. Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He’s a prankster. Think about it. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift and then what does he do? I swear, for his own amusement, his own private cosmic gag reel he sets the rules in opposition. It’s the goof of all time. Look but don’t touch. Touch but don’t taste. Taste but don’t swallow. And while you’re jumping on one foot to the next, what is he doing? He’s laughing his sick fucking ass off. He’s a tightass. He’s a sadist. He’s an absentee-landlord! Worship that? Never!”

I am so happy I stumbled across this, even if I am a year late from the date of it’s posting.

First off, I’d like to thank whoever compiled these quotes. They are very eye opening, and although some are slightly backwards, very entertaining.

Secondly, Atheist and Christians alike, learn proper grammar. Your is not the same as You’re, so don’t interchange them. It just makes you sound less credible. P.S. most internet browsers now have spell check. Use it. (Sorry if this makes me sound like an Ass. It just hurts my eyes when I have to read a sentence 3 times just to figure out the context of one word.)

Thirdly, no offense to any religious person, but in my mind, I just cannot fathom the existence of a god or higher being. I physically cannot do it. I’m sorry Christians, I am one person you are not going to be able to manipulate into joining your cult.

I agree with these quotes whole heartedly.
But may I remind people, that while our U.S. constitution gives us freedom of religion, it also grants freedom FROM religion.

To each his/her own beliefs.
That being said, I don’t see why believers feel the need to come here and “bless” the non-believers here.

If you believe, fine by me. But if we are to listen to God be mentioned everywhere we turn (the Pledge of Allegiance, our money, etc.) then I believe we deserve the same right to have a few saying as such to express our views.
After all, “Jesus loves us,” so if you believers are correct, he will love us even after we deny he exists. So it’s a no harm, no foul theory there

It’s ironic my name is Angel, for I’m an agnostic. Not because I have ANY belief in any religion; but because I believe that there is more than science.
Religion – False
Spirituality – Possible
I can’t say I have a belief in nothing; but I refuse to follow any godhead.

please stop with the “God bless u” garbage if we wanted his blessing we would believe in him and pretend that we have gotten something from him. all christians try going to a place like Africa or india to the poorest places not even on the maps if we are all equal in the eyes of God then y do we get better lives than those people who suffer and why dont u go and help them? if God is so Good then maybe he can enspire more than half the worlds population 2 get of there asses and help the less fortunate and if he can speak 1 word and it happens why is he such a cruel person to sit and watch people suffer. if your so called “God” does exist then he is a cruel being who should not be worshipped for the scum he has put on this earth. If there is such a God(who is scientifically proven not to be there) why doesnt he show him self is he scared to face us to tell us why he made such an awful place??? “We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes.” – Gene Roddenberry some of the greatest minds are athiest because they dont sit around preying and hoping that just maybe something will happen they actually go out and do it. Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day; teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime; give a man religion and he will die praying for a fish. – Anonymous

why is it that people who belief in a religion suddenly become rational when it comes to other people’s religion, they can see the error in this other religion but they can not see the error in their own religion. I have had discussions with people who can correctly identify the irrationality of other religion the same way an athiest would but when confronted with the irrationality of their own belief they are completely unable to see reason , very strange

we can’t prove there isn’t a god but i notice christians and other religious groups aren’t rushing with solid proof, just hear say of a 2000 year old book written by people who share their beliefs, if christians read the bible themselves completely, they would understand the atheist way of thinking.

I can only add that I was forced to not believe. It was the most painful day of my life, because I had invested so much of my life into Christianity. I felt deceived; lied to by those who should’ve known more My “elders” looked foolish and their wisdom felt inferior and infected with ignorance. It was not even possible to debate with them, their minds sealed through even longer years of indoctrination.

yes, you can be forced out of faith even when you’re fighting your way back in.

I was thrown into the void of nothing and cried. I gained a bitter taste when ever I thought of what I’d been through.

I am now, ten years later, at peace. I have no questions or answers. There are none. I have stopped looking, there is nothing. There is no reason to even NOT look.

As an agnostic I believe that there is something out there, whether it is god and all his spirits, aliens, or ninja monkeys. I am not like those agnostic people who are agnostic “just in case”, I just want to know the truth, with proof included. And if there is a god, well I want to make a choice in whether i should follow him or not. Anyhow I do not believe in religions.
At any case I hate when christians try to impose THEIR god on to us. What if I want to believe in Zeus or Anubis they are gods too. Religions don’t respect other religions, which is why I decided to not be religious. I respect other beliefs. Christians I respect your belief in a God, why don’t you respect my belief in not having one?

I’ve come up with the idea that the man in the sky is just a big ‘ol sloppy gamer, sitting at his computer playing SIMS with humans- killing ‘em off when he gets bored, threatening to “end the world” if things get a little out of control.

I believe in Alice , who lives in Wonderland. May her name be blessed.
Stop laughing at me i have a book which proves her existence.
You better start believing or you will not be allowed down the rabbit hole.
Millions of people have read about her , what more proof can you unbelievers require, and if there was no mad hatter, where do hats come from!!!
While im here followers of the holy Alice are raising funds for spreading the word, send me some cash and you will live forever..if you dont nasty things will happen to you.

Imagine there’s no Heaven
It’s easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

John Lennon

If you want to feel the hated of religion. Stand up in any room full of people, friends and acquaintances and announce that you are an atheist. They truly believe that we are Satan’s minion and eat children in our spare time.

He didn’t create homosexuals, He created man and woman. I’m sure you know where to find the relevant passages in Genesis? You should, anyway, since the comments I’ve been reading here claim that atheists read the Bible more than Christians.

i’ll answer that for you…
Genesis 5:4 “After he begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters.”
their children : cain, abel, set, and other sons and daughters..
so (maybe) cain’s and abel’s wife is their sister, a.k.a INCEST…
well that kinda explain it…
but look… Adam lives for 800+ years, a.k.a FAIRYTALES?
science (wiki) says, A bivalve mollusc (Arctica islandica) (aka “Ming” between 405–410 years old) have the longest lifespan amongs animals… 800+ years old human? LOL?
***sorry for my bad english***

Ive always found one biblical story fairly interesting… You know the one about the “virgin” Marie?
My take on it, –So your this pre B.C lady, probably forced into marriage by family/poverty/security and after one particularly wild supper of too much wine and hubby too far away you decide to roll in the hay with hubby’s bro. (brother just for ease of plot) So your stuck with a dilema, with the effectiveness of prehistoric birth control your most likely pregnant, and back in those what was the punishment for adultry? Stoning? Death? Starvation? So hubby comes home and OH NO “how did you get pregnant?’ Easiest excuse?
God did it! Besides what the hecks hubby gunna do about it? Confront him?
-Please comment religous zealots your comments amuse me

this is so annoying having to read all these comments about pple saying einstein believed in god. come on! no inteligent person is going to waste his time believing in some fairy deity who will take ur soul away that sounds just like anubis role in the afterlife. And you fukin cristians why are you reading all these post! arent u cristians ??? go listen to mass on youtube.

Nice quotes though some might have inadvertently misled readers as they are taken out of context (And these did not diminish my faith in my God; they, in fact, reinforced my belief in Him.). For example Isaac Asimov wrote a book on how to read the bible. And don’t idolize some of these people whom you think are so great because they said something against God. They will be forgotten soon enough but God will still be there. Who are some of these people but plain humans who’ve written some books which some of you might not have read even a page. If you do idolize them, then you are not really atheists because you have found your own god.

It’s good that all you people are still alive right now, reading these quotes. It’s a sign that my God is so good he even allows space for those who do not believe in Him. He does not limit himself to the genius of mere humans who think their foolish atheism will make him appear to them just to soothe their aching minds who cannot really comprehend even the simple things in this world. That’s what makes him truly a god, someone who is not limited only by the realities that a human mind can comprehend.

Also, think of this: an atheist will not have a chance when the end comes and he realizes that there is a God. A believer is much safer because if in the end there really is not a God, then he is safe both ways because there is no atheist entity for him to account with. But personally, I’d rather let you stick to your own unbelief and let me stick to my belief because I have the same freedom as you do and that freedom doesn’t limit me to whatever it is that you think is right.

Yes you geniuses can say all the foul things you want against my God, but ultimately, you’re all just motes in his eye. You cannot comprehend God because you’re not a god and won’t ever be one, and that makes you all so bitter. And it really shows in what you have been writing here. Woody Allen? Bullshit!

Laura, Laura. You seriously want to tell me and all other atheists, that even if we are good, loving, hard working human beings, we will go straight into hell just for not believing in HIM? Not such a nice guy after all your GOD.

While my own journey has led me to reject religion and seek what I feel are rational and plausible answers and solutions, I do respect others’ need for religion. I have no qualms about freedom of religion aside from those who will not respect my right to freedom from religion, which is problematic for those of us who live here in the buckle of the “Bible belt”.

We were all given an intellect that exceeds any other species on the planet. No matter if you feel you were given that intellect by evolution or by a supernatural creator, I think it’s your responsibility to use it to examine and question the world around you, even if it means tackling the very dogma of your faith system. After all, some of the science in today’s grade-school textbooks- science that both the religious and atheists call fact- came from men who were once seen as heretics for their work. Where would be be as a species had they not questioned the dogma of their faith? I feel that if the constraints of religion impede scientific and social progress, then we need to question the beliefs in the same way we approach any logical, scientific study.

Personally, my biggest complaint about the religious- Muslims and Christians especially- is their over-glorification of the “life to come”. Raised a Southern Baptist, I noticed that the afterlife was treated with exaltation, while this life was treated almost as if it did not matter. Other extremists, such as the Islamic suicide bombers who feel they’re going to a better place for sacrificing themselves to kill infidels, are obviously placing little value on this life as well. Frankly, if we were all to worry about this life instead of the life to come, I think the world would be a much better place.

W O W… all I will say (after reading MANY posts) is that believers will continue to believe and atheists will continue to not believe. Discussion seems futile :(

I hope in my lifetime that this changes!!!

Seriously, whatever reason you believe in God, step back for a moment and think…WHY? As humans evolved (!!!) we needed an answer to all the universe’s mysteries (which incited the deepest F E A R in us all, for some reason? ), so humans thought of….

G O D

We continued to evolve and then we had an epiphany…

S C I E N C E & L O G I C & R E A S O N.

Anyone who thinks that they (religion and science) aren’t mutually exculsive is an idiot. Scientists who attend church should be put in jail.

The arguments against God (existence or otherwise) and religion are so vast and multifaceted, whereas arguments for are one-dimensional. Try a pros and cons list. And don’t put everlasting life as a pro – not a STRONG argument.

Even if “God” definitely did exist there would be no way in hell that I would worship him/her/it as it goes against everything that I believe in and hold dear.

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I’m sure many of you don’t believe in elves, fairies, pixies, mermaids… so why heaven and hell and everlasting life? There are so many parallels between fairytales and the Bible: they’re both trying to teach us ill-guided morals. The Bible just talks more bull****.

I think this is a poetic atheist quote:

“Isn’t it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too? ”
– Douglas Adams

Wait a minute! I thought if you were an atheist, you didn’t believe God existed! If God doesn’t exist, how is taking His name in vain gonna anger Him? There’s nobody’s name to take in vain and nobody to get angry then!

“People will then often say, ‘But surely it’s better to remain an Agnostic just in case?’ This, to me, suggests such a level of silliness and muddle that I usually edge out of the conversation rather than get sucked into it. (If it turns out that I’ve been wrong all along, and there is in fact a god, and if it further turned out that this kind of legalistic, cross-your-fingers-behind-your-back, Clintonian hair-splitting impressed him, then I think I would choose not to worship him anyway.) – Douglas Adams”

It’s exactly what I believe, even if this god did exist, why worship his doings when he preaches such bad influences, homophobia and racism for e.g. they have sparked so much violence and suffering, which I doubt will ever go…

It’s inronic really, the religious basically say “Believe in my peace loving and inspiring god… or he’ll send you to a place of tourchure and hell for all eternity” MAKES NO SENSE!

The main problem with religion, is that it’s completely unfalsifiable. You CAN’T prove it, and you CAN’T disprove it, we can only question it. In most cases, unfalsifiable THEORIES would simply be not used because we can’t see how useful it is. E.g. the Psychodynamic Approach in psychology, although it was majour break through, and some parts of the approach sound very promising, you can’t prove most of it, beacuse we’re looking at the invisible, i.e. the uncounsious mind. So only some parts of the theory is mainly used today for that reason.

It’s the same case with religion, we can’t see it, or test it or in any means prove it, yet there aren’t many aspects that seem useful… It’s just “believe and worship” if “god” wishes to get over this problem, surely he’d make a show himself to us, only then will we stop this arguement.

firstly: good on u for putting all these quotes together
secondly: pensive shut the f*** up you lying little s*** yo do not have the answers to all of these and so by your own rules you are going to hell for lying
and lastly to any religious poeple out there: there are 6 major religions and there are 33,000 denominations or christianity, assuming there are around the same number of these in all other major religions you have a 1 in 198,000 chance of being right if god does exist and a 0% chance of being right if you look at any REAL evidence on the subject

Ah, heated debate between religious types and atheists. Of course, most off the topics are irrelevant; you may point out the wrong doings of the church or the lack of faith of the other etc. until the end of time with no real conclusion. In the end, it all comes down to this:

1) All belief in any God/gods primarily derives it’s arguments from religious texts; these are the cornerstones and mainstays of it’s faith.
2) Belief in a God/gods requires that you accept its text, or whatever other source which claim its authenticity.
3) All of said texts/sources can be easily traced back in history through documents which have not been lost of deliberately destroyed to show that it was ultimately written by man; the Bible, Qur’an, you name it — it was written by a human hand, and its proven. If you don’t believe me, just google it. Hundreds of scholarly sources are NOT wrong.
4) The next step is then deciding whether the mortals who wrote those texts were indeed divinely guided as often claimed. Let me briefly summarize the evidence for and against: The only evidence for divinely guided religious texts is their own word against all others. With clear motivations of convincing people to their doctrine. After all, that is the purpose of these texts. There has never been physical evidence of ANY religious miracle which cannot be explained scientifically without religious bias, ever. On the other hand, religious authors contradict themselves, usually include hate for other “false” religions, play on the fear of death and torture in hell to convert people, etc.
5) If you still believe by this point that your religious text is truly the word of your god, then stop here; your ignorance is unshakable. If you have your doubts, continue to:
6) You may now wonder if your God exists despite an obviously flawed Bible or text etc. Perhaps He is transcendent of our belief or disbelief? Wishful thinking. But surely we must have a Creator? A wild assumption. Say that something created the universe, and set everything else in motion; what logical connection does this have with prayer, arbitrary rules such as which days you cannot work or which foods you cannot eat? What connection is there to an afterlife? No, these are all ideas from our religious texts — a relic of man’s creation. Is the universe then of Intelligent Design? All scientific signs point to: No. Man evolved naturally, as did the universe unfold from rules we don’t understand fully yet. Just because an event is unlikely, doesn’t mean it can’t happen; give enough opportunities, and it WILL happen. I.e., life, the Big Bang.

It’s time for mankind to cease creating reasons for faith in ignorance, and to concentrate on furthering knowledge and human enlightenment through scientific method. This is the true Good in the world. Every religious person has been unfairly tricked into their beliefs one way or another; I celebrate their happiness and trust in those beliefs. I envy their faith that all will be well when they die, and that their loved ones are safely hidden away in a greater place awaiting reunion; but I pity them, for ignorance is bliss, but is ignorance still. I would rather think critically for myself, even if it means facing hard truths. I will never see my dead friends again. But I have my own faith. It’s in my own convictions; convictions based on love of Truth, not fear of it. And on my deathbed I will send away the priest, because my convictions are stronger than his.

The worst moment for the atheist is when he is really thankful and has nobody to thank..

–one day, you’ll see..and you will eat all what you have said right now.

yes..we have freedom here on earth,and he gave that freedom to us so we could live our life the way we wanted, if you do not want to be criticized with what you believe right now,..stop blasphemy. go ahead and live with your remaining days.. freedom, of what you believe right now.. how could you guys never imagined and reflected the wonderful thing happened in your life. too bad for you guys. and i feel sorry for you all..

“The worst moment for the atheist is when he is really thankful and has nobody to thank..”

That’s where you’re wrong. There is nothing more liberating than saying “thank you” simply because you feel like – not because something threatens you to toss you into hell if you don’t.
A ‘thank you” out of free will is the purest, most honest “thank you” you will ever get.

Somewhere there’s speaking
It’s already coming in
Oh and it’s rising at the back of your mind
You never could get it
Unless you were fed it

Now you’re here and you don’t know why

But under skinned knees and the skid marks
Past the places where you used to learn
You howl and listen
Listen and wait for the
Echoes of angels who won’t return

He’s everything you want
He’s everything you need
He’s everything inside of you
That you wish you could be
He says all the right things
At exactly the right time
But he means nothing to you
And you don’t know why

You’re waiting for someone
To put you together
You’re waiting for someone to push you away
There’s always another wound to discover
There’s always something more you wish he’d say

He’s everything you want
He’s everything you need
He’s everything inside of you
That you wish you could be
He says all the right things
At exactly the right time
But he means nothing to you
And you don’t know why

But you’ll just sit tight
And watch it unwind
It’s only what you’re asking for
And you’ll be just fine
With all of your time
It’s only what you’re waiting for

Out of the island
Into the highway
Past the places where you might have turned
You never did notice
But you still hide away
The anger of angels who won’t return

He’s everything you want
He’s everything you need
He’s everything inside of you
That you wish you could be
He says all the right things
At exactly the right time
But he means nothing to you
And you don’t know why

I am everything you want
I am everything you need
I am everything inside of you
That you wish you could be
I say all the right things
At exactly the right time
But I mean nothing to you and I don’t know why
And I don’t know why
Why
I don’t know

In the past religion was used to make people pay money to the church. It was used as an excuse to try take over the middle east in th crusades. It is used by terrorists to make them think that they are doing the right thing. It has only recently started to claim that it is all accepting of everybody and their views to make it more acceptable to society. It claims to be all accepting but if you read into it, it actually says that it is superior to every other religion and its beliefs. Who is right? They all claim that they are right but none of them are, because they don’t have any arguments based on proof.

About Stalin, he sounds more anti-Christ, or even sadistic(a little) and Christians, why are you even Reading this? What good does Reading this do you? Aithiests could be described as humanists. I believe in the power of me. I can do things on my ownso I’m not going to give credit to some possibly non-existant god. I’m not going to pray to some god for happiness, I’m going to go to the park with friends. Christiansbout there, can you agree with anything I’m saying? P.s. The fish comment was really funny!

Well done collecting these. They make so much sense when compared with weird nonsense about Lot and his daughters in (Judges 19:23-4). Check that out for plain old madness.

Why are there so many Christians foaming at the mouth about these? They refer to all made up tales, be they from the Bible, Koran or Ásatrú. They are all silly man made tales and once they are looked at they should vanish in a puff of logic.

As Douglas Adams remarked “A man didn’t understand how televisions work, and was convinced that there must be lots of little men inside the box, manipulating images at high speed. An engineer explained to him about high frequency modulations of the electromagnetic spectrum, about transmitters and receivers, about amplifiers and cathode ray tubes, about scan lines moving across and down a phosphorescent screen. The man listened to the engineer with careful attention, nodding his head at every step of the argument. At the end he pronounced himself satisfied. He really did now understand how televisions work. “But I expect there are just a few little men in there, aren’t there?”– Douglas Adams, paraphrase of a parable spoofing modern creationism that Adams often told, as retold by Richard Dawkins in “Lament for Douglas” (14 May 2001)

LOL. answer every one then! they are all from different people. You are assuming that each of these 103 different people are assuming that they know what all christian denominations believe – when we really don't care. We are all trying to spread truth, fortunately we all don't believe in a mythical being.

” you thank god for ur birth but i hate him for taking it back. worst of all he is gonna take our mom's life in front of us who actually gave birth to us . so no wonder i hate the biggest murderer. – kailaash

For the record, Stephen Colbert (one of the quoted above) is actually a Catholic. That so-called quote is taken completely out of context.

As for the rest, I can't argue much there, unfortunately. So you can call me whatever you like, but I'll keep my faith. I just will not press it on you like the rest of the other so-called “Christians”.

You're an idiot mate. Do you know what that experiement entailed?? Because Milgram didn't actually shock the people, they were actors and he only made the participants think that they were being hurt. Sure, it was a little extreme, but it progressed the world of science a lot and all the participants received debriefing afterwards.

I am an atheist. From the outside it seems that this church is different from the rest. It seems that I live by the Bible verses. They seem to understand that all Christians are sinners. They love everyone, including their neighbors. They do not seem to pay attention to a single verse in the other. I bet you take those who eat shellfish and other sinners.

But say if you were raised Christian, you could have read the Bible, and still realised (in my opinion) that it is completely useless, sexist, racist and not even written by Jesus, God or the Holy Spirit.Then made the informed choice to be an aethiest

it seems that you are not your 'Half Atheist' but you're a deist, you don't follow a religion but you still tolerate that there is a supreme beingthe only way that the atheist may be 'misguided' is when they don't believe in god because of misguided reasons (blaming god for their problems, misguided because they blame god so they cannot be atheist since they still have the idea of the supreme being), another way they are misguided is when the claim themselves atheist and attack religion with ignorance

by the way, Dawkins vocal of his atheism to guide everyone truth, he as a scientist thats how science works. Have you ever read Swineburns claims? It isn't as logical as Dawkins is, read Dawkins book if you haven't. Reason is the weapon to get the truth; that's how Dawkins convince people, hence producing no idiots but producing informed individuals

very good explanation..but i believe there is moral(values and norms), but morality can be without religion. there is morality not because we want reward from a supreme being, morality should be for Goodness sake

You are straying away from the subject matter here, and even haven't proved anybody wrongthe point is there is no god and religion just deludes believers; your answer is about how your religion workit is like arguing over who is the better friend: person1 or person2. and you reply saying “person1 is my friend and I don't know person2″ which doesn't answer the argument

who said humans are filthy(or 'evil species')? which species are not filthy?(doves?) this is taught in religion right? then how can Christians help then?I know that brainwashing is such a negative term but religion do that

Believers will always be afraid to doubt because that faith is already strong in themMe myself is still not ready to be more outspoken about this to my friends because most of them are religious, i believe fence-sitting(agnosticism) senseless but I still have stock some knowledge to be outspoken there is an atheist in all of us(and christians may be as ridiculous to claim this phrase is demonic)

this is freaking hilarious. people decided to put up some awesome quotes, and just like the quotes explain, YOU CHRISTIANS HAVE TO GO AND START ALL THESE UNNECESSARY ARGUMENTS AND FIGHTS. are you THAT ignorant? seriously. you are proving our point RIGHT! and proving yourselves WRONG. your starting drama through the INTERNET in the name of “god'!!! ARE YOU 5??!?!?! shouldnt you be praying for us or something? leave the actual doings to us. go pray. thats all your good at.

You know what all? Shut it, to be blunt. Whatever you believe or don't believe, we're all here in the same plane of existence now. Unless I'm mistaken, We're all wasting our time here. Do you think that either party is inclined to bend at all?

Just because I know this will ignite a fire long after I leave, let me point that everyone here is asking for proof, 'faithful' or not. Why would the atheists need to prove that they're right about what they say if the other party can just believe in what was written long ago?

On that note, why are the Christians trying to prove that they're right? Reason and logic, which everyone here is trying to use, is the bane of the religion apparently. If you want to be an arse and get technical, any Christian that hasn't simply said something along the lines of 'I believe because I do' and left it at that is using the ammunition of the 'deprived' party,

Then again, I guess it's impossible for anyone to hold their fire when no one truly knows what's out there. If those faithful held in their hearts that God was their freedom, we'd see none of them here.

(And now for a completely biased comment, which I think I get for keeping that out of this thus far,)

If the Atheistic ones are damned, then using the fire of the damned seems a bit condemning, right?

Hey guys, I'm 14 years old.All my life I've been treated differently because I didn't believe in god… Just another reason why religion discriminates and brings people appart. I was taught Christianism by my father from the moment I was born. Thankfully, I had my mom to teach me to think for myself and use my brain. Religion does indeed bring people together, but for a bad reasons. There are other places where you can have a sense of belonging. Religion limits your brain's capacity to think beyond and it trigers wars, creates hatred, judges and discriminates. I used my brain and searched for answers myself instead of just believing in something someone told me to believe in because they weren't smart enough to think like I did. I'm just 14, and even if I was loughed at and treated in a bad ways by kids at school, when I was younger, I now understand and thank my mom for teaching me to use my intelligence for good things. I can never thank her enough for not believing, because I can see and understand things Christians and other believers cannot understand, only because they ignore the facts. They DO NOT want to know. And that's why it isn't intelligent.

Anyway, I really hope that someday people will understand religion is not good for all the reasons above and I also trully wish people were, as we're supposed to be, EQUAL, in every way. I wasn't treated equally.Humans have evoluted enough to not need religion anymore. It's time to use our brains, people.

Melanie(Just Melanie, there's no parent with me… In case you thought a 14 year-old couldn't right about atheism by herself..)

You know what, science doesn`t think you`re a jerk.. It PROVES YOU are, mr. jesusthinks you`reajerk. Jesus doesn`t exist. If “ he “ did, he probably could not walk on water, nor do all the things they said he could do. Do you also believe butterflies could spit fire back then??Use your brain, damn ignorant.

Jesus WAS real. Emphasis on the was. He was not a prophet though. He was a crazy, delusional man who heard a voice in his head and got the ‘brilliant’ idea that “It must be God!” For all we know he could’ve just been a deceiving, lieing, cheat who wanted to look good. Muhammad existed and HE wasn’t a prophet either. Why can’t people look at the ground in front of them and just say, “This is real!” Not some person in the sky who created you for the sole purpose of you to glorify him. People are so gullible at least back then during the Roman Empire where Christianity emerged. Christian’s were slayed and hung for being what they were. Did you all know that? Doubt it. The 12 Olympians in Olympus of Greek mythology. They were believed at the time to have created the humans. They had HUMAN emotions which was a downfall for religions such as these. What would a God need ‘emotions’ for? So that was taken off the list. It seemed kind of obvious to other religions, I suppose, that the Gods were just created as a way to explain natural things such as disasters and child birth and why they were THERE. So Man thought of something better. Make a God WITHOUT human qualities. That’ll make it seem like WE ourselves didn’t come up with Him. I don’t understand a person’s need for a higher power. It’s like saying you don’t believe in yourself to do the right thing and make decisions so, “Oh! God will help me! He will set me on the right track!” I say keep your feet planted firmly on the ground and trust yourself to do the right thing because it is the RIGHT thing to do not because of a divine power. What’s so hard about that?

I do believe Jesus was a real person, but what I don’t believe is that he was the son of a magical, invisible being in the sky. I believe he was most likely very wise and probably did preach love, but he didn’t walk on water, revive dead people, heal the sick, make the blind see, or exorcise demons(since they aren’t real). You say we disrespect Christianity, but it’s Christianity that is disrespecting people. It denies them their freedoms by insulting and persecuting them if they think differently. To disrespect Christianity would be to disrespect an irrational and completely preposterous idea that has enslaved millions, which seems like a good thing…

See, we should have more kids like you, I`m on your side, 13 year old atheist. You use your intelligence for good. I`m really so glad to see that not all kids are brainwashed into believing in that b.s. Why should kids spend their days going to church and reading the Bible? They should decide later on if they want to believe in anything, instead of parents not giving them any choice at all by teaching them religion. You guys should show the example, you should teach your kids to use their brains for good things. Well, actually, to just USE THEIR BRAINS, since religious people don`t even want to know what is right, they ignore the facts. That is stupid thing to do.Until now, religion has got millions killed, and many many people suffered.We`ve evoluted enough to not need a “ god“ as an explanation anymore.

Use your brains guys.( ROCK ON, 13 YEAR OLD ATHEIST ;) , from a 14 yearl old atheist. :)

The best of the first fruits of your ground you shall bring to the house of the Lord your God.The best to the High Priests who sit about doing bugger all except, making up Working Time Directives of course.

They seem to understand that all Christians are sinners. They love everyone, including their neighbors. They do not seem to pay attention to a single verse in the other. I bet you take those who eat shellfish and other sinners.

I think that if there was a “god” it would not be the god that everyone thinks of. Maybe it just happens to exist in our universe and not particularly care about us. Or maybe it’s on the other side of the universe.

Athiests do believe in a god. His name is “I.” And they can’t see that far into themselves. All the words they say, all their ponderous explanations and rationalizations are just cover-ups. Too bad, because some of them are nice people. Not to worry, folks — God is Love, and Jesus Saves. Just don’t hurt anybody else, like those famous athiests Hitler, Mao and Stalin (and some others) did.

God is love? The idea of a God is the reason for a huge amount of bloodshed. How would Hitler(who was a christian) been able to of target a group if not for religion. I’m not saying it was the Jew’s fault, it is Religion’s fault. Religion helps to divide people. Christians have always been there to create bloodshed and control people.

If there is a god, let him know I don’t believe he exists. If he does exist let him unleash lightning and fire upon me and burn me down to ashes right now…………………………………………………………………………………………….. nope, I’m still here ;-)

Atheists do not have to “disprove the existence of god”. We just do not believe in any god. If believers are interested in convincing atheists that god exists, then the believers have to prove that god exists – and that has not been done by anyone, ever.

sorry, I couldn’t be bothered to read the long ones, but I read what I could and have come to my own conclusion, atheism makes sense to me and therefore is what I have chosen for myself…. and to the christians in the debate, please take a leaf out of YOUR gods supposited book and tolerate it AND leave me to enjoy the quotes.

“Religion was formed because people are afraid of what they do not have an answer to, so they created an answer to their questions. Now that science proves their religions wrong in essence science created atheism. Witch in essence is not being afraid of what one does not know. Witch in essence is being logical. So I essence atheist don’t need a way to explain what they do not know. Which is saying atheist are willing to look for the answers instead of hiding behind false claims. Which in essence is stating that atheist are just the few who aren’t afraid to acquire knowledge.” – Me

Treat your religion like you would your penis, everyone. Don’t show it off in public and don’t shove it down your children’s throats. I do not understand why Christians are coming here to try and argue their point. Why bother coming in the first place?

With religious friends and family, I have no intention on sharing the quotes that poke fun due to some respect & sensitivity. However, many of the others serve plenty rationale to serve up some thinking time for those who are open minded to anti-religious claims. Good article!

I am a Christian and think that this world would be a much better place if people would simply accept others right to believe in whatever they want. I also believe that both religious believers and non believers could make this world a much better place if they spent less time arguing and more time actually working towards making this world a better place to live in for both parties. I am not under the illusion that this simple post is going to change anyones lives or make everyone learn to tolerate one another, but I do think that it needed to be said.

By the way, for all other Christians posting here, have you ever considered the fact that according to the bible God gave us all free will? Can we really critise Atheists for standing up for their own beliefs?

The one thing that irks me the most is when a believer tells me that they are praying for me to see the “light of God”. Why can’t we just have a normal conversation without you trying to convert me? If I believed in God, I would believe. One conversation with you won’t change how I’ve lived my life for the past decade.

I find it funny how so many people are displaying themselves as Christian as if it is a trophy to be placed above one’s bed. And how you ‘Christian’s’ have been commenting here. Why were you searching for Atheism quotes? So you can hate on the non-believers? I’ve got important news. Anger is one of the seven deadly sins. And yes I do know my religion facts. I’ve read the bible twice and am only 14. Raised as a Christian by my mother, I believed beyond doubt, or so I thought. But my life was terrible, filled with death, sickness, poverty, fighting, and hate. I was 8. How could I believe in a God who let all of that happen to a little girl? If that was my life’s plan then the author did a horrid job and should be ashamed of himself. The only reason I’m alive and not lieing 6 feet under the ground is because I’m all my mother has left. WHY? Why why why?! I never asked for how my life turned out and if He did, truly He be a beast indeed. Even now my life is living hell (which I don’t believe in by the way). Don’t give me crap about how my life is going to get better. I don’t want to hear it! ‘For things to get better they have to get worse first.’ Well f that! I haven’t had a stroke of good in my entire life. THIS is why I don’t believe! My faith vanished, showing how flimsy it is to believe in something you can’t see, can’t hear, can’t touch! We don’t know he’s there. Praying is exactly what it looks like. Speaking into clasped hands. No one hears. No one cares. God was created in man’s image to be the divine source of everything. To be the reason for the sun and the moon for sickness and drought for everyone and everything under the sky. Our world slowly deteriorates due to natural things known by scientists. There are so many people out there that do bad things, say bad things. Are we being ‘punished’ for them?! It’s like in a class of students. One of them speaks during a lecture and the teacher doesn’t know who it is so he punishes the whole class. But isn’t God supposed to know!? He knows everything right!? WRONG. Because he doesn’t exist. Bad people do bad things because there is no one to stop them. Good people whether of religious upbringings or not who do GOOD deeds because it’s the RIGHT thing to do! I know SO many ‘Christian’s’ who do drugs and drink and smoke. All underage by the way.This kid is one of the most religious people on the planet, quotes the book, pretty much lives by the book but he’s been under every bad influence in the world. He’s done half the female population of my school and he’s a GOOD CHRISTIAN? I think not. And how many others are there like him out there? Clearly religion and faith in God don’t bring a good life to good people, not even to little girls.

I DARE you all to try and prove me wrong. If you take me up on that, you can no longer consider yourself a Christian if that is what you are. I apologize if my…. thoughts were displayed in circles. This subject makes me angry and it’s hard to hold on to a single thought for a moment before I can type it out.

I’ve noticed only Atheist’s and Christian’s are debating here. Obviously it’s an Atheist based site and it makes sense that Atheist’s would be here. But not Christian’s.. Hmm! Of ALL religions they feel the need to defend their God. Why do you all even care if we go to hell? It’s our own fault right? It’s not a sin to just let us suffer in the fiery pits. You had nothing to do with it and I doubt any Atheist here will convert because of these stupid argument’s. Why waste your breath (or in this case typing energy)?

Man, what a bunch of pointless arguing. No one is going to change anyone’s mind here. Just wanted to pop in and say it was really awkward when my boss asked me what I did to celebrate Easter the other day, and mention how uncomfortable the world has made it to have a completely involuntary outlook on life. (that of taking responsibility for your own actions, loving everyone, terrible things like that) Also, please continue to tell me to go to hell, because it makes me giggle.

For me, God isn’t a very nice person. Lets compare him to tyrants such as Hitler, Stalin (Yes Stalin is a tyrant despite what he says, using secret police and censorship -.-), and Saddam Hussein.

Lets see what these tyrants do. They reward their followers, with money, power, a nice house, prestige and good standing. They send political opponents, into prison, sometimes subjecting them to torture, attempts on family lives, sent to concentration camps, and even have them killed. Those people who they don’t like are systematically exterminated (think of the Jews in WWII). etc.

Would anyone here support these losers?

Now lets look at God. He rewards his followers, those who believe in him, by letting them go to heaven. Where they can live happily with no worries. Those who do not believe in him, would go to Hell, subjected to unspeakable torture and cruelty for all of eternity. Those who God doesn’t like, like other religions, must be killed in holy wars (such as the crusades or the more modern terrorist war).

Wow, they are pretty much the same, they do the same thing?! In other words GOD IS A TYRANT.

I do not believe in the existence of a God, but I can be wrong. But even if there was a God, I wouldn’t believe in him (support him), because I would not support a tyrant. Those who believe in God are supporting a tyrant. And out goes democracy -.-

Theist student;no sir,you are wrong sir according to science cold and darkness don’t exist they are just the absence of light and heat,light can intensify,heat can grow but can darkness intensify can there be more cold than absolute zero temperature.So just like darkness and cold evil is the absence of god.

The Science professor shut his mouth.

Then from above the god of the bible lifted the theist and told him you are WRONG!! haven’t you read (Isaiah 45:7).

“I form the light, and create DARKNESS : I make peace, and create EVIL: I the Lord do all these things.” (Isaiah 45:7)

And the concept of sending them to endless eternal torture in hell is not the absence of good, I think it is pretty darn malevolent don’t you? And no I have not read Isiah 45:7. But I know my physics from my science teacher and I do not trust the discrepid old book written by men in tents around a fireplace thinking they know better.

The Bible – because all the works of science cannot equal the wisdom of cattle-sacrificing primitives who thought that all the animal species of the world lived within walking distance of Noah’s house.

I agree with logicalmind. Unfortunately the only problem is that you defined Evil as the absence of good. So what is the action of doing nothing? How about someone doing something good only for the reason of getting rich or getting good PR like in the business sector today. Is it good, evil or something in between? So yes, darkness is the absence of light, but evil is not necessarily the absence of good. Also, the world does not serve justice uniformly. The world is so unfair. So do you think that it is possible for the world to be a better place? Do you think that there is a better solution to the problem of evil then what we have now? I think there is one. Why the omnipotent, omniscience, omnipresent God doesn’t think so is beyond me.

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?”

Atheists is the most fragile form of human faith, belief or what ever it’s called as human that called themselves as the geniuses… They classified this world in a form of empirical, subjective,objective and metaphysics but failed to realizes that they exists and live in a random pattern of life.. If people’s life can be define through these form of prove-exist kind of question then, why there is still exist people who work out of human understanding and why every each one of us were different in human expectancy? Atheists are skeptical who afraid to confess their existence because they failed to prove it.. They question this and that because they have no idea to define LIVES.. Human are one of the best creature created by the God.. We were equip with an imagination that allow us to think about everything yet we misused it to turn against Him.. If UFO, end of universe or new planet resembles earth can be exist in our imagination then why not GOD.. Skeptical is a dark side form of thinking that have been stray out from science.. Science teaches us to believe and open our mind in every possibilities.. Therefore, skeptical is a narrow mind, stupid, lack of understanding, and paranoid kind of people.. They should not exist because they will disturb the balance of the world free life of thinking and they will corrupting this world…

Well if ‘god’ gave man free will, then I have the right and the free will to NOT believe in him, correct?…yet I will apparently be punished someday, somehow for exercising this freedom he has given me. It’s retarded!!
I am a good person of strong moral fibre who is in control of her life. I don’t need to believe in a god. The thought of worshipping an invisible, bloodthirsty, flawed, contradicting, unforgiving, egomaniacal character is absolutely horrifying. God and religion is for the weak…you know, the hypocritical ones who commit all kinds of sin and run back to church every Sunday to wipe the slate clean, only to commit the sins all over again….the ones who use religion as a basis to persecute others. Religion is also for the gullible, for those afraid to question authority, for those unwilling and perhaps incapable of reasoning and analyzing facts…eg 1)how can ‘god’ create light before he creates the sun (duhhh), 2)incest is wrong yet the repopulation of man through Adam, Eve, 2 sons and possibly some daughters is in fact, incestuous, 3)where do dinosaurs fit into the Bible? 4)if there is ONE god, why isn’t there ONE religion? ..the list is endless!… Religion, in the hands of authority, has been used as a control tool and a fear tactic since the beginning of civilization and sadly, it still works today…as well, the Bible is one of the most inconsistent pieces of work out there, yet it is the cause of so many wars, deaths and atrocities.
I often wonder how religious folk envision this god “creating” something, let’s say…a mountain for example. Does he use a shovel and 20 million pails of stone, rock and clay …or does he wave a perfectly manicured hand over a field and boom! a majestic mountain appears out of nowhere!….and if he’s so great, why isn’t ‘god’s creator recognized for being even greater? I mean, the entity that made god should be even godlier!! lol …or how they justify having survived a tragedy (plane crashes, 200 innocent people die, 1 survives and arrogantly claims “Oooh god was watching over me!! He loves ME more than the other 200 victims he just wiped out! I’m special!”
Yup, sheer stupidity. Worship god? Uh HELL NO! No thank you!
So, until your cloud-faring, 2000+ year old superhero shows up to apologize to you for the mess his religions have created…..I bid you all a good day! :)

It truly is as simple as this (and please research!): the sole foundation for every modern form of christianity is a collection of STORIES compiled for POLITICAL gain. Moreover, these STORIES are quite literally an amalgamation of all the most popular stories held by the diverse groups of people the Romans were attempting to subjugate. What better way to quiet the masses then give them a story to follow that is nearly identical to theirs in many ways?! If those that “believe” had ANY intelligence and desire to know reality, they would know that EVERY SINGLE SIGNIFICANT SUPPOSED ACTION OF JESUS WAS TAKEN IN WHOLE FROM PREEXISTING BELIEF SYSTEMS!!! So here is reality: do you believe in Mithra? Horus? And a myriad of others? No, you say?! Interesting. Because those stories are where EVERY story of Jesus comes from. Simple facts my oh so lost friends. Seek knowledge. Seek reality. Life will be ever so much better for you, and all those around you.

The way god works as per church : “I prayed to god to give me a bicycle. But, I realized that god does not work that way. So, i stole a bike and asked for forgiveness later.”

Prayer and faith save lives of some people, but not all. Does god hate the latter group ? Is it because they had sinned ?
If that is the case, the doctor should not ask medical history. Instead, he should ask about sins committed in the past.
Religious doc – So you jerked a few times and did petty shop-lifting. Forget it man, i aint treating your cancer. God will/might? eventually kill you in spite of all my efforts.

The way God works : “I prayed to god to give me a bicycle. But, I realized that god does not work that way. So, i stole a bike and asked for forgiveness later.”
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Prayer and faith save lives of some people, but not all. Does god hate the latter group ? Is it because they had sinned ?
If that is the case, the doctor should not ask medical history. Instead, he should ask about sins committed in the past.
Religious doc – So you jerked a few times and did petty shop-lifting. Forget it man, i aint treating your cancer. God will/might? eventually kill you in spite of all my efforts.

No one has the right to say that Atheist are dumb or ignorant. Many intellegent people in history were Atheist-Albert Einstein, Mark Twain, etc. Ignorant? No. Many Christians judge people on stupid matters-racism, sexism, homophobia, etc. Because of course, you’re the best people ever by telling others just because they don’t believe in the same thing you do that they are going to “hell” just because they’re “bad”. For people who say we are superior to animals, well, without them most wouldn’t live unless you were a vegetarian/vegan (As I am). Just because I don’t sit in a building and listen to someone talk about a dead guy, doesn’t mean I’m a bad person. I volunteer, I help in my community, I give whatever I can to help others, I recycle, I’m a vegetarian/vegan. Helping the world doesn’t mean being shut up in a room with your hands together in prayer. It means to actually HELP. If you don’t like what and who Atheist are, why are you on here? To judge people? Oh right, you’re the amazing Christians who believe it’s right to judge people. Yeah, great people. -Note the sarcasm-

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.
-Stephen Roberts

“Remember, Jesus would rather constantly shame gays than let orphans have a family.”
-Steven Colbert

“I refuse to believe in god who is the primarly cause of conflict in the world, preaches racism, sexism, homophobia, and ignorance, and then sends me to hell if I’m “bad”.”

Tell me this one thing, christians, if god made adam and eve, and they had TWO SONS, how are we not all inbred? Plus on son killed the other, that means the only way to reproduce was for one son to have kids with his mom. EXPLAIN THIS PLEASE.

‘Christians think Catholics are crazy for believing the pope is infallible, then turn right around & believe a book by men is infallible.’ Scott Horlbeck

Sexual orientation is not a choice. You are born Heterosexual, Homosexual, Bi-sexual. Scientific evidence proves this therefor your bible is bullshit. I do not believe in God, as I am a atheist.

‘He didn’t create homosexuals, He created man and woman.’ Then who fucking did create homosexuals they didn’t just poof in air.

‘In Matthew 19:12 Jesus in referring to adultery, is reported as saying;
“For there are SOME EUNUCHS WHO WERE SO BORN FROM THEIR MOTHER’S WOMB and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it“.
A eunuch is a male who has had their testicles removed. Now answer me, was He speaking , in the first phrase, of a man-child born without testicles or a person born having a homosexual orientation? Whichever it is, they are not condemned or called sinful by Jesus!’ this was posted by someone from facebook.

‘The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.’– Richard Dawkins

I have a hard time wrapping my head around the religious indoctrination we all as humans have undergone since birth. Why is it so hard for religious people to just to start believing in what is real……..and that is YOURSELF my dear tunnel-vision-church-going-but-sin-through-the-week-and-ask-for-forgiveness-on-Sunday-children. They say: “Go to church and you will be saved!”…Saved from what? You mean to tell me that every human is born unsaved? The truth is that every single person ever born was born an Atheist. If you want to know something, always trace a story back to its origins………! Sadly the origins what the bible speak of is more ‘Stephen Spielbergish’ than the movies he make. The origins of you coming out you mammas vagina is quite solid. hehe.

Well, I became an Atheist when I got home from work and found out that my wife had drowned our 2 year old son in the bathtub then shot herself because, and I quote the note she left, “God told her to.” So, yeah… God is a major asshole/j**k-off that apperantly told my wife to commit First-Degree Murder, then Suicide.

Fighting over this is completely pointless. afterall, its your own life and you can live it as you please, even if i do not share your beleifs. pray to a god, dont pray to a god, you can play “hey joe” to jimmy f*cking hendrix’s ghost for all i care.
what im trying to say is:
– stay out of my damn life and let me think for myself (whether you’re an aetheist or a chritian i do not care)
– if you dont like it then f*ck off

So, a lady gives birth and you want to call it a miracle? 7 million women could be having a baby at the same time. To go out of your way to call one birth a miracle is like saying the other 6,999,999 are not. That’s stupidity. Think your fucking statements through.. Also, one of the BEST quotes I’ve ever heard would be.

“‘If you don’t follow these commandments, God will strike you down.’ When I was a little kid, this thought scared me. Now I just think it’s funny.” – Brendon Urie

Do you honestly believe that you are an accident, some freak of nature born because of some little thing coming out of the water, becoming an ape, and then turning into a human? How can you believe that? People invented this thing called Science to “prove” things they didn’t want to give God credit of. But, what those Scientists don’t always understand is that you CANNOT “prove” everything with Science. Eventually, you will come to a point where it cannot be backed up by Science, only Faith in GOD, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ.
Think of the complexity of the Earth, the Sun, our Solar System, the billions of Galaxies and Stars… Do you think that some big bang caused all of that? If you do, why? Because some man claimed that. Tell me, where is your proof, your solid evidence? What concrete facts do you have that proves without one shred of doubt that you were an ACCIDENT?

The BIBLE contains the words of God, written down by His prophets and His believers. Those words of truth were not written down by some idiots. If they were, then WHY are those words still around?

I think the only idiots are you and other people who can look at themselves and everything in this universe, still believing that there is no God.

I’m sorry you believe that, and I pray to God that you find the truth. And if YOU prayed with a whole heart, then you WILL find the truth because your Savior and Redeemer, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is the Only Begotten of GOD the Father, LOVES you just as much as He loves me. And I know that because I have felt His arms around me in times of trouble and need. I hope that some day, you will also feel His arms around you.

Excellent list…particularly like the Steve Buschimi one from the movie “The Island”. Have been an atheist in a world of christians for quite some time now and what I find facinating is how offended christians are by my disbelief in their God. I’m not at all offended by their religious beliefs…only their inability to keep their relationship with their God to themselves.

It’s quite silly how many believers will try to argue the existance of their christian god by quoting from the bible. It makes as much sense as my asserting that Superman is real, live person by quoting from DC Comics.

All gods are imaginary. If you are a christian, I am sure that you’ve heard about the Greek and Roman gods. They were fictional, too; but they were worshipped in their day, just the same. It’s no different today. People cling to ancient superstitions for so many reasons:

– fear of death (god has a place for me in heaven)
– fear of lonliness (god is always with me)
– fear of responsibility (I leave it up to god, or god’s plan)
– fear of temptation (god watches my good and bad deeds)
– fear of alienation (I was raised this way by my family)
– fear of the unknown (I wouldn’t know what to do…without god!)

There really is no reason to worship a deity. People can simply live their lives in peace, helping others along the way, and enjoy a wonderful, fulfilling life. A life without all these fears.

Who does anything for the lack of a belief? People have reasons for everything they do. I don’t get a drink of water because I don’t believe in god; I get it because I’m thirsty.

You call yourself atheist but you need to go back and understand what atheism is. It’s a lack of belief in gods. That’s it. You don’t kill people because you don’t believe in God; if you kill people, you have other reasons for doing it.

Theism, on the other hand, has the guy with the eye in the sky. And people can very well believe that their god is telling them to commit atrocities in his name. Atheism has no such entity.

It is not with faith that we trust in things like seat belts. Rather it is with science that we find REASON to beleive. Faith is the lack of reason. It is but a belief followed blindly. And you are correct that a seat belt may break, but we have science and the scientific method to bare proof of seat belts as a viable saftey harness. Do you seriously think manufacturers of seat belts wove a piece of cloth together and gave them to the masses without testing and reworking the structure? Nay. Any company willing to sell a product on the bases of “if you have faith, it will work”, would have assuredly killed many people. (As is the case with religion.) Do not confuse faith with reason. In doing that you have made your own argument bunk, and have made every intelligent person on this page laugh at your ingnorance. Be at peace my child. :) Yes I mock your “messiah”, for I have mocked Muad’Dib, and he is just as frightening to me as Christ.

The best way I’ve ever found to describe faith is to say that the truly faithful never look before they leap. They just float through life without noticing anything that happened, they wouldn’t need to eat, sleep, learn, or even communicate. They would be content that their faith will provide. Argue as you will but your faith is damaged every time you look before crossing the street.

As you’ll see in the quotes above: it’s not the responsibility of the person saying something doesn’t exist to prove it doesn’t. It’s up to the person who says it does to prove it.

Otherwise: I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster and you can’t prove he doesn’t exist. You have to agree that _I_ have to prove his existence. It’s not up to you to search the entire universe and say: he wasn’t anywhere, he doesn’t exist. And then, of course, I could say that he exists outside our ability to detect, or he’s invisible.

Clearly he probably doesn’t exist (and sorry to any pastafarians.. no offense intended), because (despite the church of the FSM, their bible, and many “believers”) it’s a ridiculous idea. For the same reason, so is god.

See you failed to prove it because you are unsure! If you can prove it then tell me ‘Why life exist’?? Yes, indeed you understanding maybe lack, try to open your narrow mind to think new possibilities or you will not changed and have better life in the future.. Maybe you can prove by telling me can you CREATE HUMAN?

Nothing disproves god. Just like nothing disproves pink unicorns or purple dinosaurs living in another dimension, playing high stakes poker while monitoring our every move, ignoring (i mean answering) our every prayer.

Just because something isnt disproven, doesnt mean its there. Just because someone told u to believe in a fairy tale, doesnt mean you should

Well u ask how life originated?
Thats a simple question with a logical answer to that.
Contrary to your belief, i have the answer to that.
But do tell me, have you seen the outside of a Catholic school.
Because what i am gonna tell you is thought in almost all schools.
Its called evolution.

Anyway, my ignorant friend, life was created in what is called a primordial soup.
complex chemical reactions led to the forming of complex organic chemicals similar to ammonia.
This in return was synthesised to form a more complex substance.
As complexities increased so did the body structure and a few billion years later some idiot wrote the bible and 2000 years later here you are still believing that shit

Do you honestly believe that you are an accident, some freak of nature born because of some little thing coming out of the water, becoming an ape, and then turning into a human? How can you believe that? People invented this thing called Science to “prove” things they didn’t want to give God credit of. But, what those Scientists don’t always understand is that you CANNOT “prove” everything with Science. Eventually, you will come to a point where it cannot be backed up by Science, only Faith in GOD, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ.
Think of the complexity of the Earth, the Sun, our Solar System, the billions of Galaxies and Stars… Do you think that some big bang caused all of that? If you do, why? Because some man claimed that. Tell me, where is your proof, your solid evidence? What concrete facts do you have that proves without one shred of doubt that you were an ACCIDENT?

The BIBLE contains the words of God, written down by His prophets and His believers. Those words of truth were not written down by some idiots. If they were, then WHY are those words still around?

I think the only idiots are you and other people who can look at themselves and everything in this universe, still believing that there is no God.

I’m sorry you believe that, and I pray to God that you find the truth. And if YOU prayed with a whole heart, then you WILL find the truth because your Savior and Redeemer, the Lord Jesus Christ, who is the Only Begotten of GOD the Father, LOVES you just as much as He loves me. And I know that because I have felt His arms around me in times of trouble and need. I hope that some day, you will also feel His arms around.

I’m not going to argue with what you believe because that will be pointless. What only matter is what is already proven and science is way ahead in proving a lot of things, and even getting closer in proving theories. Until now religion is still making invisible reasons and excuses on everything. Faith is a blind shortcut to satisfy one’s belief.
Another reason I don’t believe in religion is for people like you who claims who believe in god can call someone an ‘idiot’. You see, we don’t really need a god to know what is right or wrong, it is just plain common sense.