They came. They didn't fit. They were returned. I was told to fuggetaboutit because there were no more coming in. At least I had no problems getting my money back, but I did have to call to get the status of my order after the pants were returned. So, unless I want to buy these from a dealer in England and hope the next size up fits, and pay $58.00 shipping, I'm out of luck. Thank you Icon. Thank you Joe Rocket. Dealing with Dennis Kirk was Okay. At least they are honest.