Ministers have "blood on their hands" over benefits tests, say MPs

MINISTERS have "blood on their hands" after the suicides of sick people wrongly found fit for work after badly-flawed tests, a North-East MP said yesterday.

Kevan Jones, the North Durham MP, attacked the failure to reform widely-criticised assessments of incapacity benefit (IB) claimants - asking how ministers could have clear consciences.

Speaking in a Commons debate, the Labour was joined by colleagues Helen Goodman (Bishop Auckland) and Iain Wright (Hartlepool) in condemning the process, run by private firm Atos Healthcare.

Over three years, Atos will test about three-quarters of the 122,000 people in the North-East and North Yorkshire who claim IB, a legacy of the industrial meltdown of the 1980s.

But, across Britain, 40 per cent of appeals are successful. Some claimants have been stripped of disability benefits, only to die of serious medical conditions soon afterwards - and there have been reports of suicides.

* A 59-year-old with severe schizophrenia told to "retrain as a security guard because that was the last job he did ten years ago".

* A man with no legs told to undertake an 80-mile round trip for his work test.

* A cancer-victim judged fit for work, even before the results of an operation came through.

* A 51-year-old woman judged fit for work who, because of a bowel disease, "soils herself on a daily basis, requiring a change of clothes".

* A man in his late 50s judged fit for work, who - because of a brain tumour - is unable to "stand or walk for any length of time without feeling dizzy or in pain".

* A woman judged fit for work despite Crohn's disease, leading to severe diarrhoea, incontinence and abdominal pain, who was told she "could wear a nappy for work".

Mr Jones said: "People have taken their own lives because of this system.

It is not too strong to say that this Coalition government has blood on their hands for the deaths of those individuals."

Condemning the "crass, insensitive, unprofessional" tests, Mr Wright said: "Several of my constituents have told me they were asked by the person carrying out the assessment whether they just sit around and watch Jeremy Kyle all day."

Ms Goodman acknowledged the work tests had been introduced by Labour, saying: "Because of the way this has been run, I am sorry."

In reply, County Durham-born work minister Mark Hoban insisted that independent reviews of the 'work capability assessment' (WCA) had found "real progress" in improving them.

And he sparked criticism by suggesting the media was guilty of peddling "incorrect anecdotal information and total myths" about the tests.

However, Mr Hoban did pledge that further changes would be made if necessary and pointed to the appointment of 60 'mental health champions'

msg,Yes labour introduced the test,and the boundries were changed by the present govrnment,Greenfinge
r no you are wrong the guilty people are the government for classing seriously ill people in the boat as con artists who fake illness to get benefits,they have blood on their hands they will never wash of,like lady McBETH and will hopefully suffer the same fate.

msg,Yes labour introduced the test,and the boundries were changed by the present govrnment,Greenfinge
r no you are wrong the guilty people are the government for classing seriously ill people in the boat as con artists who fake illness to get benefits,they have blood on their hands they will never wash of,like lady McBETH and will hopefully suffer the same fate.fracker

msg,Yes labour introduced the test,and the boundries were changed by the present govrnment,Greenfinge
r no you are wrong the guilty people are the government for classing seriously ill people in the boat as con artists who fake illness to get benefits,they have blood on their hands they will never wash of,like lady McBETH and will hopefully suffer the same fate.

msg,Yes labour introduced the test,and the boundries were changed by the present govrnment,Greenfinge
r no you are wrong the guilty people are the government for classing seriously ill people in the boat as con artists who fake illness to get benefits,they have blood on their hands they will never wash of,like lady McBETH and will hopefully suffer the same fate.fracker

Greenfinger you have a somewhat twisted attitude to life with your ridiculous comment - with your train of thought 10,000 deaths are a consequence of a flawed Government policy but its ok to catch benefit cheats using this draconian method through WC assessments

Greenfinger you have a somewhat twisted attitude to life with your ridiculous comment - with your train of thought 10,000 deaths are a consequence of a flawed Government policy but its ok to catch benefit cheats using this draconian method through WC assessmentssimmo707

simmo707 wrote:
Greenfinger you have a somewhat twisted attitude to life with your ridiculous comment - with your train of thought 10,000 deaths are a consequence of a flawed Government policy but its ok to catch benefit cheats using this draconian method through WC assessments

10000 deaths?

[quote][p][bold]simmo707[/bold] wrote:
Greenfinger you have a somewhat twisted attitude to life with your ridiculous comment - with your train of thought 10,000 deaths are a consequence of a flawed Government policy but its ok to catch benefit cheats using this draconian method through WC assessments[/p][/quote]10000 deaths?loan_star

We have become a Labour-one-Nation of cry-babies who whether they win, lose or draw life’s short straw, or stub their toe, its all because we lost our backbone a very long time ago I'm afraid …about 1997 to be precise and after the long disastrous year of Bliar’s people, we have learned Labour-is-the-Party that always betrays the most vulnerable in our society and creates a less equal society, widening the gap between rich and poor and the fact that so many are still voting for Labour Governments and Labours Councillors who betrayed Britain, IS a terrible indictment upon what we are now !
There are times when I wish the North East Labour MPs and Councillors would engage their brain before opening their mouths … lies and innuendos and chasing brownie-points, it’s embarrassing, a bit like-expenses-chasin
g-people being economical with the truth, creating the impression that there’s something to hide and questions whether they are fit and proper people to be employed in public office …
Surely its time for the benefit-chasing-clai
mants-cheats to start taking responsibility for themselves first !

We have become a Labour-one-Nation of cry-babies who whether they win, lose or draw life’s short straw, or stub their toe, its all because we lost our backbone a very long time ago I'm afraid …about 1997 to be precise and after the long disastrous year of Bliar’s people, we have learned Labour-is-the-Party that always betrays the most vulnerable in our society and creates a less equal society, widening the gap between rich and poor and the fact that so many are still voting for Labour Governments and Labours Councillors who betrayed Britain, IS a terrible indictment upon what we are now !
There are times when I wish the North East Labour MPs and Councillors would engage their brain before opening their mouths … lies and innuendos and chasing brownie-points, it’s embarrassing, a bit like-expenses-chasin
g-people being economical with the truth, creating the impression that there’s something to hide and questions whether they are fit and proper people to be employed in public office …
Surely its time for the benefit-chasing-clai
mants-cheats to start taking responsibility for themselves first !st-george1

George, Who is talking about benefit cheats? the people that were talked about in the report have serious medical conditions,many have died as a direct result of being persicuted bythis government,and atos,don't class greedymp's with these people who are so disabled and sick they will never be fit enough for work.

George, Who is talking about benefit cheats? the people that were talked about in the report have serious medical conditions,many have died as a direct result of being persicuted bythis government,and atos,don't class greedymp's with these people who are so disabled and sick they will never be fit enough for work.loonyleft

"""MINISTERS have "blood on their hands" after the suicides of sick people wrongly found fit for work after badly-flawed tests, a North-East MP said yesterday."""
This sounds like some dramatic comment made for political reasons rather common sense.

"""MINISTERS have "blood on their hands" after the suicides of sick people wrongly found fit for work after badly-flawed tests, a North-East MP said yesterday."""
This sounds like some dramatic comment made for political reasons rather common sense.Lifetime Townie

Talking about politicians with blood on their hands, what about Blair and Brown and their illegal war? Also the fact they forced a advisor into suicide by making him look a liar when all the time he had had been truthful.

Talking about politicians with blood on their hands, what about Blair and Brown and their illegal war? Also the fact they forced a advisor into suicide by making him look a liar when all the time he had had been truthful.loan_star

loan_star wrote:
Talking about politicians with blood on their hands, what about Blair and Brown and their illegal war? Also the fact they forced a advisor into suicide by making him look a liar when all the time he had had been truthful.

Spot on, perhaps these two are above the law

[quote][p][bold]loan_star[/bold] wrote:
Talking about politicians with blood on their hands, what about Blair and Brown and their illegal war? Also the fact they forced a advisor into suicide by making him look a liar when all the time he had had been truthful.[/p][/quote]Spot on, perhaps these two are above the lawLifetime Townie

simmo707 wrote:
Greenfinger you have a somewhat twisted attitude to life with your ridiculous comment - with your train of thought 10,000 deaths are a consequence of a flawed Government policy but its ok to catch benefit cheats using this draconian method through WC assessments

where did you get that 10,000 deaths figure from please? thats an appalling statistic! i must look into this further. 10,000 in a amazing amount of deaths, shocking. or have you just made it up? the above article doesn't mention one.

[quote][p][bold]simmo707[/bold] wrote:
Greenfinger you have a somewhat twisted attitude to life with your ridiculous comment - with your train of thought 10,000 deaths are a consequence of a flawed Government policy but its ok to catch benefit cheats using this draconian method through WC assessments[/p][/quote]where did you get that 10,000 deaths figure from please? thats an appalling statistic! i must look into this further. 10,000 in a amazing amount of deaths, shocking. or have you just made it up? the above article doesn't mention one.greenfinger

greenfinger wrote:
everyone must know someone who milked this system. it went on for far too long and has become unaffordable. its those milkers not the government that should feel the guilt.

i agree there are too many scroungers who have never worked and are bluffing and pulling the wool over peoples eyes...
yes there are people who are truly ill...but for 1 person who is really ill there are ten who are lying bluffing rogues.....

[quote][p][bold]greenfinger[/bold] wrote:
everyone must know someone who milked this system. it went on for far too long and has become unaffordable. its those milkers not the government that should feel the guilt.[/p][/quote]i agree there are too many scroungers who have never worked and are bluffing and pulling the wool over peoples eyes...
yes there are people who are truly ill...but for 1 person who is really ill there are ten who are lying bluffing rogues.....the-big-yin

simmo707 wrote:
Greenfinger you have a somewhat twisted attitude to life with your ridiculous comment - with your train of thought 10,000 deaths are a consequence of a flawed Government policy but its ok to catch benefit cheats using this draconian method through WC assessments

anyone called in for an assessment should be allowed to take their medical records with them...then they would be assessed fairly...
you are allowed access and copies of your records when you need them....

[quote][p][bold]simmo707[/bold] wrote:
Greenfinger you have a somewhat twisted attitude to life with your ridiculous comment - with your train of thought 10,000 deaths are a consequence of a flawed Government policy but its ok to catch benefit cheats using this draconian method through WC assessments[/p][/quote]anyone called in for an assessment should be allowed to take their medical records with them...then they would be assessed fairly...
you are allowed access and copies of your records when you need them....the-big-yin

Pathetic look at the lot of you, drivelling on about politics, as if politicians are the ones who can solve things. Politicians are merely puppets of the ruling elite, put in office to serve the agenda of the elite. That agenda does not and never will, care about the ordinary citizen no matter which party is in power. The sooner people realise this and stop bickering over, and supporting a system that has only the interests of the elite at heart - the better.

Pathetic look at the lot of you, drivelling on about politics, as if politicians are the ones who can solve things. Politicians are merely puppets of the ruling elite, put in office to serve the agenda of the elite. That agenda does not and never will, care about the ordinary citizen no matter which party is in power. The sooner people realise this and stop bickering over, and supporting a system that has only the interests of the elite at heart - the better.Heretic

simmo707 wrote:
Greenfinger you have a somewhat twisted attitude to life with your ridiculous comment - with your train of thought 10,000 deaths are a consequence of a flawed Government policy but its ok to catch benefit cheats using this draconian method through WC assessments

where did you get that 10,000 deaths figure from please? thats an appalling statistic! i must look into this further. 10,000 in a amazing amount of deaths, shocking. or have you just made it up? the above article doesn't mention one.

It's actually 10,632 deaths, this is the amount of people who have died between 2010 and now within six weeks of being declared FIT FOR WORK by ATOS, oh and if you want to know where the figures came from, they were released by the DWP after a freedom of information request by disabled people against cuts DPAC for short a disabilities rights group.

[quote][p][bold]greenfinger[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]simmo707[/bold] wrote:
Greenfinger you have a somewhat twisted attitude to life with your ridiculous comment - with your train of thought 10,000 deaths are a consequence of a flawed Government policy but its ok to catch benefit cheats using this draconian method through WC assessments[/p][/quote]where did you get that 10,000 deaths figure from please? thats an appalling statistic! i must look into this further. 10,000 in a amazing amount of deaths, shocking. or have you just made it up? the above article doesn't mention one.[/p][/quote]It's actually 10,632 deaths, this is the amount of people who have died between 2010 and now within six weeks of being declared FIT FOR WORK by ATOS, oh and if you want to know where the figures came from, they were released by the DWP after a freedom of information request by disabled people against cuts DPAC for short a disabilities rights group.dellorri

simmo707 wrote:
Greenfinger you have a somewhat twisted attitude to life with your ridiculous comment - with your train of thought 10,000 deaths are a consequence of a flawed Government policy but its ok to catch benefit cheats using this draconian method through WC assessments

where did you get that 10,000 deaths figure from please? thats an appalling statistic! i must look into this further. 10,000 in a amazing amount of deaths, shocking. or have you just made it up? the above article doesn't mention one.

It's actually 10,632 deaths, this is the amount of people who have died between 2010 and now within six weeks of being declared FIT FOR WORK by ATOS, oh and if you want to know where the figures came from, they were released by the DWP after a freedom of information request by disabled people against cuts DPAC for short a disabilities rights group.

i still fail to see the link between the deaths and the work assessment? how can doing a work assessment make you die, do they do them in or something? not every person with something wrong with them is unfit for work. it clear me that 99% would have died if they were in the system or not.

[quote][p][bold]dellorri[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]greenfinger[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]simmo707[/bold] wrote:
Greenfinger you have a somewhat twisted attitude to life with your ridiculous comment - with your train of thought 10,000 deaths are a consequence of a flawed Government policy but its ok to catch benefit cheats using this draconian method through WC assessments[/p][/quote]where did you get that 10,000 deaths figure from please? thats an appalling statistic! i must look into this further. 10,000 in a amazing amount of deaths, shocking. or have you just made it up? the above article doesn't mention one.[/p][/quote]It's actually 10,632 deaths, this is the amount of people who have died between 2010 and now within six weeks of being declared FIT FOR WORK by ATOS, oh and if you want to know where the figures came from, they were released by the DWP after a freedom of information request by disabled people against cuts DPAC for short a disabilities rights group.[/p][/quote]i still fail to see the link between the deaths and the work assessment? how can doing a work assessment make you die, do they do them in or something? not every person with something wrong with them is unfit for work. it clear me that 99% would have died if they were in the system or not.greenfinger

Greenfinger to fail to see anything beyond your own reasoning on anything by the sounds of it - if you were that interested in the issues brought up you would do some web research on them and not just make spurious comments against genuine concerns for the victims of this abusive system

Greenfinger to fail to see anything beyond your own reasoning on anything by the sounds of it - if you were that interested in the issues brought up you would do some web research on them and not just make spurious comments against genuine concerns for the victims of this abusive systemsimmo707

simmo707 people are allowed a different opinion to yours you know. it's not a crime and the last time i checked we still had freedom of speech and expression. it seems to me like everyone must come round to your way of thinking or they're some sort of hater/s. you'd do well to bully me out of my way thinking.

simmo707 people are allowed a different opinion to yours you know. it's not a crime and the last time i checked we still had freedom of speech and expression. it seems to me like everyone must come round to your way of thinking or they're some sort of hater/s. you'd do well to bully me out of my way thinking.greenfinger

Research before you comment Greenfinger - or engage brain before you open your mouth ,successive Governments are to blame for the ills of the country -Cameron stated in Parliament the other day vote Tory to get out of the EU or Labour to stay it it - another broken promise in the making

Research before you comment Greenfinger - or engage brain before you open your mouth ,successive Governments are to blame for the ills of the country -Cameron stated in Parliament the other day vote Tory to get out of the EU or Labour to stay it it - another broken promise in the makingsimmo707

Here is the Atos debate in Parliament which will explain just how genuinely disabled are being treated. To vilify the disabled is genuinely heartless and I hope those who do never end being disable themselves.
It can happen so quickly and it is surprising how few friends you really have when it happens. Intolerance and discrimination is rife in the comments above. http://goo.gl/RkrZh

Here is the Atos debate in Parliament which will explain just how genuinely disabled are being treated. To vilify the disabled is genuinely heartless and I hope those who do never end being disable themselves.
It can happen so quickly and it is surprising how few friends you really have when it happens. Intolerance and discrimination is rife in the comments above. http://goo.gl/RkrZh
http://www.theyworkf
oryou.com/debates/?i
d=2013-01-17a.1050.0
&s=speaker%3A10964#g
1080.0Silkie

simmo707 wrote:
Research before you comment Greenfinger - or engage brain before you open your mouth ,successive Governments are to blame for the ills of the country -Cameron stated in Parliament the other day vote Tory to get out of the EU or Labour to stay it it - another broken promise in the making

they you go again lol, you just cannot help yourself can you. dont worry everyone will come around to your way of thinking, not! now you getting political for what reason? i'm coming to the conclusion you're a wannabe bully. your way or no way? unreal

[quote][p][bold]simmo707[/bold] wrote:
Research before you comment Greenfinger - or engage brain before you open your mouth ,successive Governments are to blame for the ills of the country -Cameron stated in Parliament the other day vote Tory to get out of the EU or Labour to stay it it - another broken promise in the making[/p][/quote]they you go again lol, you just cannot help yourself can you. dont worry everyone will come around to your way of thinking, not! now you getting political for what reason? i'm coming to the conclusion you're a wannabe bully. your way or no way? unrealgreenfinger

greenfinger wrote:
simmo707 people are allowed a different opinion to yours you know. it's not a crime and the last time i checked we still had freedom of speech and expression. it seems to me like everyone must come round to your way of thinking or they're some sort of hater/s. you'd do well to bully me out of my way thinking.

Have a look at my website hopefully its unbiased www.brokenbritainund
ertories.com

[quote][p][bold]greenfinger[/bold] wrote:
simmo707 people are allowed a different opinion to yours you know. it's not a crime and the last time i checked we still had freedom of speech and expression. it seems to me like everyone must come round to your way of thinking or they're some sort of hater/s. you'd do well to bully me out of my way thinking.[/p][/quote]Have a look at my website hopefully its unbiased www.brokenbritainund
ertories.comsimmo707

simmo707 wrote:
Research before you comment Greenfinger - or engage brain before you open your mouth ,successive Governments are to blame for the ills of the country -Cameron stated in Parliament the other day vote Tory to get out of the EU or Labour to stay it it - another broken promise in the making

they you go again lol, you just cannot help yourself can you. dont worry everyone will come around to your way of thinking, not! now you getting political for what reason? i'm coming to the conclusion you're a wannabe bully. your way or no way? unreal

HA HA Shut up sheep not interested in a debate with you ,your bias is so evident

[quote][p][bold]greenfinger[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]simmo707[/bold] wrote:
Research before you comment Greenfinger - or engage brain before you open your mouth ,successive Governments are to blame for the ills of the country -Cameron stated in Parliament the other day vote Tory to get out of the EU or Labour to stay it it - another broken promise in the making[/p][/quote]they you go again lol, you just cannot help yourself can you. dont worry everyone will come around to your way of thinking, not! now you getting political for what reason? i'm coming to the conclusion you're a wannabe bully. your way or no way? unreal[/p][/quote]HA HA Shut up sheep not interested in a debate with you ,your bias is so evidentsimmo707

simmo707 wrote:
Thanks Silkie but I have all the relevant information on my website
www.brokenbritainund

ertories.com

Hi simmo707, it was specifically directed at greenfinger but I see he's not of sound mind by his last comment, so one needn't waste time on him. Here is another sad and poignant blog which is heart rending. Take care and keep up the good work!!

http://dwpnegligence
.wordpress.com/

[quote][p][bold]simmo707[/bold] wrote:
Thanks Silkie but I have all the relevant information on my website
www.brokenbritainund
ertories.com[/p][/quote]Hi simmo707, it was specifically directed at greenfinger but I see he's not of sound mind by his last comment, so one needn't waste time on him. Here is another sad and poignant blog which is heart rending. Take care and keep up the good work!!
http://dwpnegligence
.wordpress.com/Silkie

Loan star,The iraq war is a separate subject,that in no way can be put forward as an excuse for abusing sick and disabled people. In the iraq war at least the armed forces were fit and able bodied,they were trained to fight,and they knew what they were getting into.That is more than can be said for all the people who have died worrying wether they could manage while waiting to reapply for there benefits,but of course tory supporters,just like tory ministers will just turn a blind eye,after all the sick people who have died can't vote against th e tories,but their friends and relatives can!!!

Loan star,The iraq war is a separate subject,that in no way can be put forward as an excuse for abusing sick and disabled people. In the iraq war at least the armed forces were fit and able bodied,they were trained to fight,and they knew what they were getting into.That is more than can be said for all the people who have died worrying wether they could manage while waiting to reapply for there benefits,but of course tory supporters,just like tory ministers will just turn a blind eye,after all the sick people who have died can't vote against th e tories,but their friends and relatives can!!!fracker

Having just read the blog you have my deepest sympathy and I assure you I can appreciate the turmoil the condition has caused for you and your partner but to have to tolerate the whole ATOS and DWP fiasco is beyond comprehension .I know it is of little comfort but do believe me when I say you having the backing of myself and any other organisation related to these issues .Please do not feel alone the fight is marching on .Nigel

Having just read the blog you have my deepest sympathy and I assure you I can appreciate the turmoil the condition has caused for you and your partner but to have to tolerate the whole ATOS and DWP fiasco is beyond comprehension .I know it is of little comfort but do believe me when I say you having the backing of myself and any other organisation related to these issues .Please do not feel alone the fight is marching on .Nigelsimmo707

loan_star wrote:
Talking about politicians with blood on their hands, what about Blair and Brown and their illegal war? Also the fact they forced a advisor into suicide by making him look a liar when all the time he had had been truthful.

Spot on, perhaps these two are above the law

There are two reasons why Labour lost:-
1. Banking crisis...........Tor
ies spin that Labour created it was bought by some naive people.
2. The Iraq war.

The only party that would have made different decisions on these two points is a party very much to the left of labour (Kinnock's Labour perhaps). If you think that the Tories would have made different decisions you need to try and find your way back from cloud cuckoo.

[quote][p][bold]Lifetime Townie[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]loan_star[/bold] wrote:
Talking about politicians with blood on their hands, what about Blair and Brown and their illegal war? Also the fact they forced a advisor into suicide by making him look a liar when all the time he had had been truthful.[/p][/quote]Spot on, perhaps these two are above the law[/p][/quote]There are two reasons why Labour lost:-
1. Banking crisis...........Tor
ies spin that Labour created it was bought by some naive people.
2. The Iraq war.
The only party that would have made different decisions on these two points is a party very much to the left of labour (Kinnock's Labour perhaps). If you think that the Tories would have made different decisions you need to try and find your way back from cloud cuckoo.IanfromCrook

your money is getting cut and just accept it. i'm clearly not of sound mind conversing with a pair of idiots. the majority of working people support the government on this so you'll have to learn to adapt, unlucky.with all the services they get access to for free i've always wondered why "disabled" people needed more money to live on anyway. free medication, free care and the likes! vote torie next time and hope they win outright. that'll be good. :-) happy days

your money is getting cut and just accept it. i'm clearly not of sound mind conversing with a pair of idiots. the majority of working people support the government on this so you'll have to learn to adapt, unlucky.with all the services they get access to for free i've always wondered why "disabled" people needed more money to live on anyway. free medication, free care and the likes! vote torie next time and hope they win outright. that'll be good. :-) happy daysgreenfinger

Heretic wrote:
Pathetic look at the lot of you, drivelling on about politics, as if politicians are the ones who can solve things. Politicians are merely puppets of the ruling elite, put in office to serve the agenda of the elite. That agenda does not and never will, care about the ordinary citizen no matter which party is in power. The sooner people realise this and stop bickering over, and supporting a system that has only the interests of the elite at heart - the better.

Too many people here acting like helpless, needy children who rely on The State for everything- cradle to grave. Big babies who can't act, think or find proper work without their beloved Labour party spoon-feeding every wish and desire. Thoughtless, weak and hapless souls who believe government has a bottomless pit of money they can all delve into.

Funny they don't all want to move to North Korea though isn't it.....

[quote][p][bold]Heretic[/bold] wrote:
Pathetic look at the lot of you, drivelling on about politics, as if politicians are the ones who can solve things. Politicians are merely puppets of the ruling elite, put in office to serve the agenda of the elite. That agenda does not and never will, care about the ordinary citizen no matter which party is in power. The sooner people realise this and stop bickering over, and supporting a system that has only the interests of the elite at heart - the better.[/p][/quote]Too many people here acting like helpless, needy children who rely on The State for everything- cradle to grave. Big babies who can't act, think or find proper work without their beloved Labour party spoon-feeding every wish and desire. Thoughtless, weak and hapless souls who believe government has a bottomless pit of money they can all delve into.
Funny they don't all want to move to North Korea though isn't it.....johnny_p

fracker wrote:
Loan star,The iraq war is a separate subject,that in no way can be put forward as an excuse for abusing sick and disabled people. In the iraq war at least the armed forces were fit and able bodied,they were trained to fight,and they knew what they were getting into.That is more than can be said for all the people who have died worrying wether they could manage while waiting to reapply for there benefits,but of course tory supporters,just like tory ministers will just turn a blind eye,after all the sick people who have died can't vote against th e tories,but their friends and relatives can!!!

Aaaaah! Defend Labour at all costs.

"In the iraq war at least the armed forces were fit and able bodied,they were trained to fight,and they knew what they were getting into"

Well they were fit and able bodied before they started this un-winnable war. It goes without saying that we wouldn't have had so many ex forces personnel seriously injured and needing medical attention if it wasn't for Tony Bliar.

I can tell you now you wouldn't have been defending the Iraq/Afghanistan invasion if it had been started during a Conservative administration.

Really listen to what your saying- stop defending the indefensible.

[quote][p][bold]fracker[/bold] wrote:
Loan star,The iraq war is a separate subject,that in no way can be put forward as an excuse for abusing sick and disabled people. In the iraq war at least the armed forces were fit and able bodied,they were trained to fight,and they knew what they were getting into.That is more than can be said for all the people who have died worrying wether they could manage while waiting to reapply for there benefits,but of course tory supporters,just like tory ministers will just turn a blind eye,after all the sick people who have died can't vote against th e tories,but their friends and relatives can!!![/p][/quote]Aaaaah! Defend Labour at all costs.
"In the iraq war at least the armed forces were fit and able bodied,they were trained to fight,and they knew what they were getting into"
Well they were fit and able bodied before they started this un-winnable war. It goes without saying that we wouldn't have had so many ex forces personnel seriously injured and needing medical attention if it wasn't for Tony Bliar.
I can tell you now you wouldn't have been defending the Iraq/Afghanistan invasion if it had been started during a Conservative administration.
Really listen to what your saying- stop defending the indefensible.johnny_p

BROKEN BRIRAIN UNDER TORIES – CONTINUATION OF BLAIRS SPIN
Where were our MP’s when Blair was having private meetings with UNUM the backbone of ATOS .How can one man hijack an entire Political Party in power to the detriment of the Public .It is obvious that the Labour Cabinet had no say concerning the Draconian Welfare Reform issues that dog the vulnerable today .Clegg and Cameron are mere clones of the former totalitarian Blair .
Cameron has shied away from the issue of Welfare and left it to attack dogs ID Smith and Grayling both liars and public purse thieves .
The Tories are so embroiled in spin their Policies are feeble rhetoric to mask the agenda of dismantling the NHS ,the Welfare State and Freedom of speech .Cameron has lied on an EU referendum once ,he now proposes to try to coerce the public he will hold one when voted in office for another term .Don’t be taken in by a party that has over 10,000 deaths on its hands through its not fit for purpose WCA’s carried out by ATOS .www.brokenbritainun
dertories.com

BROKEN BRIRAIN UNDER TORIES – CONTINUATION OF BLAIRS SPIN
Where were our MP’s when Blair was having private meetings with UNUM the backbone of ATOS .How can one man hijack an entire Political Party in power to the detriment of the Public .It is obvious that the Labour Cabinet had no say concerning the Draconian Welfare Reform issues that dog the vulnerable today .Clegg and Cameron are mere clones of the former totalitarian Blair .
Cameron has shied away from the issue of Welfare and left it to attack dogs ID Smith and Grayling both liars and public purse thieves .
The Tories are so embroiled in spin their Policies are feeble rhetoric to mask the agenda of dismantling the NHS ,the Welfare State and Freedom of speech .Cameron has lied on an EU referendum once ,he now proposes to try to coerce the public he will hold one when voted in office for another term .Don’t be taken in by a party that has over 10,000 deaths on its hands through its not fit for purpose WCA’s carried out by ATOS .www.brokenbritainun
dertories.comsimmo707

Britain was broken under labour! i look forward to the end of the welfare state and the nhs. i dont mind paying for anything i use tbh. i mean whats wrong with paying for things with your own money? only a labour voter expects things for free.

Britain was broken under labour! i look forward to the end of the welfare state and the nhs. i dont mind paying for anything i use tbh. i mean whats wrong with paying for things with your own money? only a labour voter expects things for free.greenfinger

Greenfinger, the nhs is not free you pay for it out of your tax,the welfare system was brought in because not everybody can afford hospital care,and by paying a bit of your tax towards the cost it helps every body, even benefits are taxable income nowadays.I'm glad you are so well of that you can afford any future medical costs,but not everyone is so fortunate.

Greenfinger, the nhs is not free you pay for it out of your tax,the welfare system was brought in because not everybody can afford hospital care,and by paying a bit of your tax towards the cost it helps every body, even benefits are taxable income nowadays.I'm glad you are so well of that you can afford any future medical costs,but not everyone is so fortunate.fracker

Greenfinger, the nhs is not free you pay for it out of your tax,the welfare system was brought in because not everybody can afford hospital care,and by paying a bit of your tax towards the cost it helps every body, even benefits are taxable income nowadays.I'm glad you are so well of that you can afford any future medical costs,but not everyone is so fortunate.

Greenfinger, the nhs is not free you pay for it out of your tax,the welfare system was brought in because not everybody can afford hospital care,and by paying a bit of your tax towards the cost it helps every body, even benefits are taxable income nowadays.I'm glad you are so well of that you can afford any future medical costs,but not everyone is so fortunate.fracker

fracker wrote:
Greenfinger, the nhs is not free you pay for it out of your tax,the welfare system was brought in because not everybody can afford hospital care,and by paying a bit of your tax towards the cost it helps every body, even benefits are taxable income nowadays.I'm glad you are so well of that you can afford any future medical costs,but not everyone is so fortunate.

well of? clearly enough didn't go into education!

[quote][p][bold]fracker[/bold] wrote:
Greenfinger, the nhs is not free you pay for it out of your tax,the welfare system was brought in because not everybody can afford hospital care,and by paying a bit of your tax towards the cost it helps every body, even benefits are taxable income nowadays.I'm glad you are so well of that you can afford any future medical costs,but not everyone is so fortunate.[/p][/quote]well of? clearly enough didn't go into education!greenfinger

Jonny p, Under a labour government injured ex servicemen wouldn;t be having their benefits cut,like they are now under this government ,that's the gratitude you get from Camerons lot.How about you defending all the sick and disabled that have died worrying how they will live after being declared fit when they obviously are not, come on Jonny how can people with heart conditions ,missing limbs be "able bodied"" one day ,and dead the next.

Jonny p, Under a labour government injured ex servicemen wouldn;t be having their benefits cut,like they are now under this government ,that's the gratitude you get from Camerons lot.How about you defending all the sick and disabled that have died worrying how they will live after being declared fit when they obviously are not, come on Jonny how can people with heart conditions ,missing limbs be "able bodied"" one day ,and dead the next.fracker

fracker wrote:
Jonny p, Under a labour government injured ex servicemen wouldn;t be having their benefits cut,like they are now under this government ,that's the gratitude you get from Camerons lot.How about you defending all the sick and disabled that have died worrying how they will live after being declared fit when they obviously are not, come on Jonny how can people with heart conditions ,missing limbs be &quot;able bodied"" one day ,and dead the next.

What? I really can't understand what you're trying to say- gives me a headache after the first couple of lines. I don't mean this to sound patronising but if you're wanting to make a point at least try and learn to write properly.

At least you didn't duplicate or triplicate that comment like you normally do.

[quote][p][bold]fracker[/bold] wrote:
Jonny p, Under a labour government injured ex servicemen wouldn;t be having their benefits cut,like they are now under this government ,that's the gratitude you get from Camerons lot.How about you defending all the sick and disabled that have died worrying how they will live after being declared fit when they obviously are not, come on Jonny how can people with heart conditions ,missing limbs be "able bodied"" one day ,and dead the next.[/p][/quote]What? I really can't understand what you're trying to say- gives me a headache after the first couple of lines. I don't mean this to sound patronising but if you're wanting to make a point at least try and learn to write properly.
At least you didn't duplicate or triplicate that comment like you normally do.johnny_p

FRACKER
BROKEN BRITIAN UNDER TORIES – NO ALTERNATIVE
Ed Miliband was interviewed on the Andrew Marr show and showed no capabilities of being an alternative leader to Cameron .He repeatedly plugged ‘universialty ‘ as the way forward meaning he totally agrees with Universal Credit due to thrust upon us in October 2013 cutting Welfare Benefits .There was no mention of the influx of a new wave of immigrants ,no mention of modifying the draconian new Welfare system ,just rhetoric hailing Ed Balls as very competent to run the economy but failing to say how Balls robbed the Pension fund of £5 billion ,promised to sell off G4 at the Labour Party Conference and months later reiterated the same promise when G4 had already been sold off and contracts put out for tender to build affordable housing by the Tories ,so someone that can’t even get basics right is to be trusted with the UK economy .
www.brokenbritainund
ertories.com

FRACKER
BROKEN BRITIAN UNDER TORIES – NO ALTERNATIVE
Ed Miliband was interviewed on the Andrew Marr show and showed no capabilities of being an alternative leader to Cameron .He repeatedly plugged ‘universialty ‘ as the way forward meaning he totally agrees with Universal Credit due to thrust upon us in October 2013 cutting Welfare Benefits .There was no mention of the influx of a new wave of immigrants ,no mention of modifying the draconian new Welfare system ,just rhetoric hailing Ed Balls as very competent to run the economy but failing to say how Balls robbed the Pension fund of £5 billion ,promised to sell off G4 at the Labour Party Conference and months later reiterated the same promise when G4 had already been sold off and contracts put out for tender to build affordable housing by the Tories ,so someone that can’t even get basics right is to be trusted with the UK economy .
www.brokenbritainund
ertories.comsimmo707

Jonny ,Just admit it you have no answer, ex-service people are being miss treated by having their benefits cut, people w ho will never be fit enough for work are being forced into tests were they have no chance of keeping their benefits ,because the government want cuts to the money paid out come what may,even when it is obvious the people concerned are too frail to deal with all the hassle of reapplying for the benefits.It takes somebody who must be really callous to support a government who delibrately kills of sick people to save money, can you understand that Jonny, because it makes me sick hearing about some of the individual cases of people actually being to ill to complete the tests and dying half way through-disgusting.

Jonny ,Just admit it you have no answer, ex-service people are being miss treated by having their benefits cut, people w ho will never be fit enough for work are being forced into tests were they have no chance of keeping their benefits ,because the government want cuts to the money paid out come what may,even when it is obvious the people concerned are too frail to deal with all the hassle of reapplying for the benefits.It takes somebody who must be really callous to support a government who delibrately kills of sick people to save money, can you understand that Jonny, because it makes me sick hearing about some of the individual cases of people actually being to ill to complete the tests and dying half way through-disgusting.fracker

Jonny ,Just admit it you have no answer, ex-service people are being miss treated by having their benefits cut, people w ho will never be fit enough for work are being forced into tests were they have no chance of keeping their benefits ,because the government want cuts to the money paid out come what may,even when it is obvious the people concerned are too frail to deal with all the hassle of reapplying for the benefits.It takes somebody who must be really callous to support a government who delibrately kills of sick people to save money, can you understand that Jonny, because it makes me sick hearing about some of the individual cases of people actually being to ill to complete the tests and dying half way through-disgusting.

Jonny ,Just admit it you have no answer, ex-service people are being miss treated by having their benefits cut, people w ho will never be fit enough for work are being forced into tests were they have no chance of keeping their benefits ,because the government want cuts to the money paid out come what may,even when it is obvious the people concerned are too frail to deal with all the hassle of reapplying for the benefits.It takes somebody who must be really callous to support a government who delibrately kills of sick people to save money, can you understand that Jonny, because it makes me sick hearing about some of the individual cases of people actually being to ill to complete the tests and dying half way through-disgusting.fracker

Despite Mark Hobans claims in Parliament, DWP have given ATOS a target only allowing 12% to be declared unfit to work. This has been confirmed by whistle blowers and a channel 4 documentary.
If you have 1 minute, watch this youtube link.

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=YkzHxXg0r
fQ

Despite Mark Hobans claims in Parliament, DWP have given ATOS a target only allowing 12% to be declared unfit to work. This has been confirmed by whistle blowers and a channel 4 documentary.
If you have 1 minute, watch this youtube link.
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=YkzHxXg0r
fQJonn

The matter of people commiting suicide as a result of these ATOS test has been raised in Parliament. Some coroners verdicts cited the WCA as cause of death.
Chris Grayling did not deny the fact but did say it was "a matter of regret" that people had killed themselves.
Here's the link to a 30 second video.

http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=0yRaBth9w
6Q

Corporate manslaughter? You decide.

The matter of people commiting suicide as a result of these ATOS test has been raised in Parliament. Some coroners verdicts cited the WCA as cause of death.
Chris Grayling did not deny the fact but did say it was "a matter of regret" that people had killed themselves.
Here's the link to a 30 second video.
http://www.youtube.c
om/watch?v=0yRaBth9w
6Q
Corporate manslaughter? You decide.Jonn

Open your eyes people, you're all so concerned with labour vs cons bickering that you have lost perspective. This link will provide some: http://rt.com/news/o
xfam-report-global-i
nequality-357/

The poor disabled people abused by ATOS would still be in this sorry state of affairs no matter whether a red or a blue PM is in office at number 10 and will continue to be so, until people realise that these things will happen no matter who is in office because number 10 is just a puppet who's strings are pulled by the banks and corporations and for them - profit comes first and foremost.

It's not about Labour vs Conservatives.
Neither is it about who has left wing, and who has right wing views either.

It's about the system being broken and the need for people to realise and fix it, before it's too late for those that are vulnerable.

Open your eyes people, you're all so concerned with labour vs cons bickering that you have lost perspective. This link will provide some: http://rt.com/news/o
xfam-report-global-i
nequality-357/
The poor disabled people abused by ATOS would still be in this sorry state of affairs no matter whether a red or a blue PM is in office at number 10 and will continue to be so, until people realise that these things will happen no matter who is in office because number 10 is just a puppet who's strings are pulled by the banks and corporations and for them - profit comes first and foremost.
It's not about Labour vs Conservatives.
Neither is it about who has left wing, and who has right wing views either.
It's about the system being broken and the need for people to realise and fix it, before it's too late for those that are vulnerable.Heretic

There is a difference, one has no heart the other has a heart but is in such fear of the right wing press that it apes the other. Spin spin spin............ever
yone says they hate it but the majority of voters prove the opposite by their deeds.

There is a difference, one has no heart the other has a heart but is in such fear of the right wing press that it apes the other. Spin spin spin............ever
yone says they hate it but the majority of voters prove the opposite by their deeds.IanfromCrook

HECTIC any views on educating the sheep when the powers that be control everything in this country ,Media,Policy ,Pricing ,NHS ,Police - its has to be a concerted effort by the populace who are ready to be lead in a different way -

HECTIC any views on educating the sheep when the powers that be control everything in this country ,Media,Policy ,Pricing ,NHS ,Police - its has to be a concerted effort by the populace who are ready to be lead in a different way -simmo707

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