Thursday, January 26, 2012

Cops? We Don't Need No Cops

Police First Deputy Supt. Al Wysinger says getting beat officers to know the community, and bringing in drug and gang units, are among the vital ways the department hopes to cut crime in the struggling Englewood and Harrison districts.

But Wysinger says simply hiring more police officers is not the answer.

So....you'll move hundreds of officers into two districts that probably cost the city ten times in services that they'll ever produce in tax revenues, but you won't hire more officers to pick up the slack citywide?

85 Comments:

Anonymous said...

I work in 005. Every damn day we get hit with robberies and burglaries, yet all the incident cars and rapids come in with an 1811 and the bosses love it. Screw the real problems of the community...numbers numbers numbers

The most obvious flaw that I see is that the good Deputy speaks out of both sides of his mouth.

That and the glaring obviousness of him being a product of Westside ghetto M(ake) B(elieve) church and political clout. Just another shining example of someone promoted WWAAAAYYYYY beyond their capabilities who now has to read from the same script as those that sold their souls before him.

Enjoy that bed you're making, Al. You're not the same guy I knew and worked with 20+ years ago.

Flaws? Yeah, ask the family at 5800 N. Oconto Ave about the flaw of re-deployment of police from 016 to 011. They were mere seconds away to being the next Indianhead Park family. Hey, Al, how did you do on your sergeants test? And how did you do on your lieutenants test?

Just another hack saying whatever to keep his job and gold braid pension intack.

Hey Al, what happens when you flood Englewood with police and oh say those criminals just move a bit west to Chicago Lawn, or south to Beverly/Mt. Greenwood?The bosses on this job don't give criminals the respect that they deserve = they are a bit smarter than you think Al.

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the reason i'm here giving you the heads up......well many of us are known to pass away from heart/cardiac disease.....and alot of us are afraid to go hands on---or don't have the proper training....

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The last stat that I read was Englewood had 3500 boarded up home and not sure if this included the vacant lots but I would assume there another 3500 of those. So in a roughly 25 square block area there is up to 7000 lots that most likely pay no property tax into the system. There is no hope for this section of the city that has more police officers than 019 & 023 combined, and with the influx of another 150+ officer between 007 & 011 its approaching 019/020/023 combined which for those that don't know roughly includes North/South-Fullerton to Peterson - East/West - the Chicago River to Lake Michigan. If you live within this area demand more police officers from your alderman.

Well lookie here...there is a police state at 26th and california. When the beasts are surrounded by police/jail guards they still manage to riot.rape, fight,extort,drink,use drugs,steal,etc... Every dsmn day. And they are already in jail. So by surrounding them in their natural habitat we will make them act right???? You fucking idiots. There is only so much you can do a neighborhood. The extra police will cause the usually non-criminal element of those neighborhoods to rise up even more angrier at police then they were before. Rahm's disgruntled forces will search everybody criminal or not.tow their cars.ticket the shit out of everybody and pick up beefs all day everyday to the delight of lovey and lovey. Rahm weis mcdrunkenstupor. You are true fools.

Good 'ol Al, the 'Cardboard Cutout 1st Deputy.' Honestly, did you expect anything more from this man of few words? He's even more of an invisible 1st Deputy than the last guy was. I'm not mad at Al about his ability to blend into the woodwork. It seems that whenever the 1st Deputy is black, that seems to bethe kind of personality City Hall seeks for the position."Here's your check, here's your blackberry, there's your car and office. We'll call you when we want you to do anything official. Thanks for playing."

Seems to me it's not living up to the hype because if it were the rising trend line identified here should of altered everyone to this problem and a corrective response would of been formulated long ago.

If hiring additional officers is not necessary, why are they adding more officers to 007 and 011? If he has an effective strategy then work with the officers already assigned to the two districts. He contradicts himself. Every other district has to work with the available resources, so why would you re-assign more officers to the two districts? Without boots on the ground, officers to man the cars, nothing will work. Someone has to respond to the calls and 007 and 011 is draining the scarce manpower available to the city. Rob Peter to pay Paul.

It is absolutely amazing that the likes of Al Wysinger has risen to the rank of First Deputy Superintendent.

This man while an excellent narcotics officer has no business being in a rank of such high command.

This department as well as other police departments across the country have been driven into the ground due to the political agenda that has given these misfits the opportunity destroy and make the organizations they work for a laughing stock.

Al Wysinger is a Kool Aid drinking motherfucker!! Just another idiot running the circus...and take all those " Al Wysinger is a great guy" statements and shove them up your ass... He's a stupid as they come...obviously.

Yea OK. I'm going to go out there and clean up the streets just like the great job that 016 did with the 3 offenders who committed the HOME INVASION... I reapeat HOME INVASION. They repeatedly pushed agaisnt the door as the owner tries to hold the door back.

And what did the 3 Home Invaders Get Charged with??? ATTEMPTED BURGLARY

Part of the new plan for the 7th and 11th district is for the beat officers in these goofy zones do foot patrol in the middle of winter. The theory is that in ny they made there recruits go out for the first 6 months on fixed foot patrol. We keep trying to apply things from new york that will not work here. Simply stated if you look at the numbers new york has almost 4x the amount of officers, so of course throwing coppers out on foot patrol might work, depending on how much upper management manipulate the number to make it seem like it is the greatest thing since sliced bread. We are not NEW YORK so stop shoving their shit policies down our throat. How about we have an original fucking thought.

Off topic. Yesterday I received two e-mails from the G-Mac regarding a class on Human Trafficking. The first on required W/C approval, the second required X/O approval. G-Mac can't even keep it straight.

This is all very simple. The leadership in the CPD is in full survival mode and only survival mode. City Hall's concerns aren't in reducing crime it is in reducing costs and costs alone. So idiots, no bald ass liars like Wysinger, try to spin that fact in law enforcement arguements. It used to be under Cline,Hillard and Weiss the leadership was concerned with upward movement. Now it's only SURVIVAL! Look at Caluris doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground, but he survives! ARE THEY BLIND?

Anonymous said...I work in 005. Every damn day we get hit with robberies and burglaries, yet all the incident cars and rapids come in with an 1811 and the bosses love it. Screw the real problems of the community...numbers numbers numbers

1/26/2012 12:11:00 AM

"Broken Windows" will solve everything. Didn't you know that?

Just ask JerseyShore... if 9.5 will take the muzzle off him and let him speak without a prepared script, that is.

Anonymous said...Question, once again here we go, wasn't the narcotics officers and gang enforcement already working in these two districts?

1/26/2012 05:21:00 AM

****** We have a winner! ******

You hit the nail right on the head. Way to go, Office (I presume).

They already had the teams working there before. In fact, they had one of those two special warrant teams there and now they took the other team from area two and put them there. Who wants to be that 4 and 5 will get spikes in violence next. And lets not leave out 6 either. Hell, when was GEU not in 7?

how about sending some more police to 016 and 017--- people retire or leave to go somewhere else and we never get anyone to fill that spot--- plenty more retiring this year--- manpower in both districts is down about 30 percent from what it was 5 years ago--- burglaries, robberies, and auto theft way up....

I used to be an advid listener to the Roe Conn, and still listen to some shows: levin and Noory, donn and roma (Sometimes). I haven't listen to him now in years...It really turned me off when they hired that d bag roeper. I can't stand him.

It is absolutely amazing that the likes of Al Wysinger has risen to the rank of First Deputy Superintendent.

Ah, grasshopper, it's called "affirmative action". And the democrats have utilized it for political expediency! Throw in some knuckle draggers who trace their lineage to County Mayo and you have step-by-step instructions on how to destroy a police department, erase credibility in college admissions, and in a macro sense destroy a culture, and country. What can you do? Illinois is shot. We must relocate to states where our votes can actually impact the electoral college in future elections. And as always, save yourself-vote Republican!

There are NO police in 016. The powers that be took them all away and have not replaced any in years. These politicians on and off this job make me sick! None will ever tell the truth so they can all suck it.

Hate co-sign it, but this is not the Al Wysinger I worked with in 011 & Narcotics all those years ago. Damned shame he's buckled under like this. I shouldn't be surprised though. Been around long enough to have seen several before him go the same route. Like say...Al's good buddy, Dana Alexander.

Do you think any of your bosses are familiar with the Kansas City Patrol Experiment? Albeit that was 1972 & '73 but the basics are the same. Bringing in or reducing the numbers of police in districts will likely have little impact on crime.

Oh Al! Come on now! Your getting a huge salary,new car,nice office,you will get a huge undeserved pension why don't you be quiet and sit and relax! This is the 1st time in history that a first deputy had no real power! For you Al to talk like this! What is better to be remembered as a stand up man or a shill?

1/26/2012 12:18:00 AMconn has a dying program and he did the same with weis! Can only hope he is gone soon,he is anti-police all the way,another reason I listen to 1530 am with Mancow,Mike Savage,and Dahl occasionally. In the afternoon all the way 720am for gary Meier another guy conn had fired!

OFF TOPIC: So now we have bosse's on the street who respond to a scene of shots fired at the Police in Englewood and than tells the officer involved that she was seeing things! W T F !!!!! Has our Dept. gone mad, shell casings found on scene and Sgt says you were seeing things! WHAT THE FUCK HAS HAPPENED TO OUR DEPT !!!!!!

Old timer said: Sound bite from McGofuckyourself Once we gain control, yeah right, we will occupy and never let them gain control. Fucking New Jersey Jerkoff have u ever been on these streets. Or ever been the working Police ahh NO. Be careful Boys The monkey is now driving the bus were fucked.

I do not want police presence or protection taken from my neighborhood, nor my family's neighborhood, to protect Englewood. Detroit is razing over 10,000 vacant homes. Obama committed $20MM to the demolition project and a lot are already gone there. Englewood has over 3600 vacant properties. The lenders won't take them back because they're worthless, they just stop the foreclosure proceedings. A recent case was lost in federal court here attempting to fine the lenders for not maintaining them, or forcing them to contribute or resolve the problem they caused in the first place but because the government ultimately is on the hook, that case was thrown out with zero resolution. So now these board-ups just become a continual magnet for crime, and over 20,000 residents have already left the area. But the current ridculous answer to this problem is to take police protection away from the rest of us taxpaying, contributing citizens to move it there. And for whom? Those who remain and contribute virtually nothing but more crime statistics? Rahm should demand federal money to tear all the crap down. Detroit can get the financial commitment but Rahm or the President's hometown cannot? Just raze it all and you'll need far less police presence. Seems this city keeps ignoring the majority of us that pay the bills here. Not a cop but disgusted and afraid.

Before Hiring More Police for this city; One needs to Fix the Police Departments low morale and top heavy management structure.

We have Commanders and DC’s and AC’s and XO’s that are chummy with the Gangs they are actually supposed to be putting in Jail. We have PO’s and Sgts that are more concerned with their Side Jobs than engaging in Proactive Police Work. Morale is at an all time LOW thanks to 21 years under Daley and a Police Management system of letting the Reverends and Aldermen decide whom should be a Cop. The citizens in this Shitty don't care about the boys/girls in blue until and unless they need you.

Is there a gold star out there that will stand up for the troops instead for themselves? There has to be one who is vested and can retire who is willing to stand up to Rahm and his puppets. Say what you will about Mauer, but he was a real boss who wasn't afraid to say what needed to be said. Unfortunately for him, it was just that that kept him from being Sup. But he knew that and said it anyways. What we have now is a trade system, your spine for a gold star.

I work in 005. Every damn day we get hit with robberies and burglaries, yet all the incident cars and rapids come in with an 1811 and the bosses love it. Screw the real problems of the community...numbers numbers numbers

1/26/2012 12:11:00 AM

Don't forget that possession of cannabis while in a car means: $$$$$$$$ for the city. It takes $2000 to get a car out of the impound just for having weed! Of course the bosses love a cannabis arrest over a robbery, rape, murder arrest.

Wysinger is a whore, no different than those before him and, most likely, those that follow him. He has been given the talking points and he will repeat them until his 150K a year retirement starts rolling into his bank account. And, if he wants a retirement job after life at the CPD, he'll keep his mouth shut forever.

What someone needs to do is lead a march to city hall with all of the citizens who live in low crime districts. We need to get our neighbors involved in telling the city that we wont tolerate the inequality of police allocation anymore. Maybe bring a priest or something.

OT - Can anyone share some facts surrounding the incident in 016 that occurred Monday at 7:30pm? There are several stories out there that just don't make sense. Just want to know, did the bad guys target that home for "personal" reasons or was it a random hit? Thanks.

Flaws? Yeah, ask the family at 5800 N. Oconto Ave about the flaw of re-deployment of police from 016 to 011. They were mere seconds away to being the next Indianhead Park family. Hey, Al, how did you do on your sergeants test? And how did you do on your lieutenants test?

Actually responding officers got the bad guys, so this is not the case to make your argument around.

Question, once again here we go, wasn't the narcotics officers and gang enforcement already working in these two districts?

1/26/2012 05:21:00 AM

Yes, they were and they still are. They are not assigned here nor will they be, they are just here for a temporary bullshit showing hoping that the shootings will slow down. More smoke and mirrors. Rahm and Garry hold a press conference and lie saying 150 officers are going to be assigned to these districts. ONCE AGAIN PEOPLE OF CHICAGO(007 AND 011 DIST) UNDERSTAND YOUR DISTRICTS ARE NOT GETTING 150 MORE OFFICERS ADDED. AND ME WEARING A UNIFORM FOR A FEW WEEKS FOR VISIBILITY DOESN'T MEAN THERE ARE MORE OFFICERS HERE EITHER!

Flaws? Yeah, ask the family at 5800 N. Oconto Ave about the flaw of re-deployment of police from 016 to 011. They were mere seconds away to being the next Indianhead Park family. Hey, Al, how did you do on your sergeants test? And how did you do on your lieutenants test?

Actually responding officers got the bad guys, so this is not the case to make your argument around.

1/26/2012 06:55:00 PM

Nice job by responding officers, but I think what the writer is implying is that they could have been killed before officers caught the bad guys. Would have sucked for the family of those who might have been killed before the officer arrived to catch the killers. Don'tchathink?

Anonymous said...OT - Can anyone share some facts surrounding the incident in 016 that occurred Monday at 7:30pm? There are several stories out there that just don't make sense. Just want to know, did the bad guys target that home for "personal" reasons or was it a random hit? Thanks.

1/26/2012 06:07:00 PM

3 west side citizens come over to the far NW side and tired to burglarize a house at 730PM. Bu the family was home. The mutts continued to pound on the door knowing the family was inside and broke down the door. They fled when they heard the police were coming. The family was soo close to a violent beating. It took a beat car 7 minutes to respond but the car was 7 miles away. No one to respond to in progress calls in 016. Now the neighborhood ia a armed camp and very much on guard. To hell with the law, defend your home.

F!+k this people who don't want us there anyways.............give the people who work and pay taxes back there police...... our homes are left to be taken by all these animals.....protect our homes and stop giving these ass#!@? More police.

Is there a gold star out there that will stand up for the troops instead for themselves? There has to be one who is vested and can retire who is willing to stand up to Rahm and his puppets. Say what you will about Mauer, but he was a real boss who wasn't afraid to say what needed to be said. Unfortunately for him, it was just that that kept him from being Sup. But he knew that and said it anyways. What we have now is a trade system, your spine for a gold star.