but allow us to go back to the days of change. there was a human being ... a prophet, and he spoke on God. to most christians he is remembered as JESUS. I know him as "Lord" ... one in the foundation of Truth. whether you agree that he died on the cross exactly as rome preaches, teaches and hangs him up as their icon of something or other while pretending to be "his" mouthpiece through an adjunct operation is another matter--------entirely. what we desire to convey to the believer and nonbeliever alike is this:

thou shalt not steal ... thou shalt not kill ... and ...

where did rome miss this message? evil does not die. no ... it does not die. so, where is evil? in the eye of man, what is evil of the days of mass destruction --- mankind-humankind ... torture and murder and ... still in existence in the intent and actions of people and their ideologies, institutions ... beliefs and practices ... church, state, whatever you want to call it ... but where did this take shape despite the WORD clearly stating: thou shalt not kill ...? the roman catholic church as well as many other religions, organizations and institutions have blood on their hands-------very serious blood. no one can wash that blood off but what? where and how can that blood be redeemed? no religious/political figure can redeem anyone for anything ... and no priest can, either. the redeeming is done through CHOICE of PURPOSE WITHIN THE LIGHT ON LOVE.

where did the practice of murder as punishment for "crimes" come from?

who hates and who loves ... THROUGH CHANGING A SYSTEM THAT CONTINUES TO USE CRIMINAL ACTS TO PUNISH CRIMINAL ACTS? if murder is a crime in our economy ... why murder? does rome's punishment methods hold sway today---still? after all these years and despite their head honcho saying, no to this punishment ...

honestly, who listens to the pope :) well, truth is ... I am one of the few ... who has been listening, but I listen with something we have shared numerous times in SPIR: the heartmind. 'man' has no understanding in this. it is a language beyond words and requires immeasurable stealth (Revelation 11.2) it is not run on "rome's" protocol ---- this mindset*note: trample the holy city = having to do with grapes (fruit/drink) for the release of ... the making of ...

if pope and co. want to make a difference ... a REAL difference, it is time to move out ... and this move will bring the jesuits to their knees. it is time to come out of the evil that continues to prevail within the minds of men. as long as you continue to pay into and support a system founded on death and derelict means ... bowing to insolent dogma ... in DENIAL OF PREVIOUS ACTS, never having PURPOSEFULLY REPENTED ---not moving---not growing---not LIVING in the aspirations of LOVE (understanding ... which is the PEACE spoken of in the Writings) ... you cannot know Lord as savior. you are not known ...

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can you imagine the number of people throughout the centuries that have said: if pope __ can do it, so can I. if dad did it then so can I ... if he can cheat and steal and lie and torture and murder ... then I can, too ... the cast was laid ... the people shackled ... the bed made

but there is also schism ... people not seeing all---not knowing all---but saying, I can no longer serve in this lie---this ignorance---this hypocrisy ... this murderous theology ...