My father's brother Siegfried um, he managed in the spring of 1938 to run away through Austria to Switzerland and got to England. He survived um, my--as I said we were sent first my cousin--that's the daughter of Walter and Ida Kronberger. She and I got to England through Winton which I didn't know at the time. Her brother--his name was Dolphy changed to Avram, went--came with Youth Aliyah to Israel. Uh, my aunt who was married to the goy, Auntie Freda, and what was the husband's name? I forget--and her two children, they survived. All cousins and other cousins I don't--wasn't very close and I was too young but as far as I know they didn't survive.

Was...

Actually there's--from my father's family there was uh, think it was a cousin of my father also got to England and her son--they're living in the--she's passed away but he's living in the States.

Was it a religious family at all?

No. There was no synagogue in the village. I remember on the High Holidays we used to get together in some apartment. Uh, the only other Jew I remember from the village was the dentist and he had a daughter and we used to go to the cinema--local cinema together.

Do you remember any anti--Semitism in the village?

Not personally, no.

How do you think your mother contacted the Winton office?

I really don't know. I'm sure it's my uncle--the eldest brother, Walter--because he was the Macher of all the family. And um, well, to put it quite frankly I think today if my mother would've agreed to get to England on a maid's permit--on a working permit--she would've survived.