Local election tip. Norwich - no blues as ever, the greens have been going backwards since having a large double figures presence on the council, and there is no reason to suspect long term that trend will end. However given the decline of the big two nationally, Norwich being a remain area (and jezza vacillating on this) and some negative press around Clive Lewis lately, the city wards, especially near the university are ones to watch for Green activity and possible gains

I'm in a true blue rural seat (Witney / West Oxfordshire) and fully expect it to be a marginal within 20 years. It's not just the age thing, but basically the Londonisation of the South-East. Rural Oxfordshire is getting 100,000 new houses by 2031, which are effectively "Greater Oxford" overspill. These new residents are going to vote as Oxford votes, and Oxford votes as London votes.

Canterbury was an early harbinger of this. We are going to see much of the rural South-East turn gradually red, yellow, and whatever-colour-TIG-chooses over the next 20 years. The question is whether the post-industrial north will turn blue to balance it.

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We may see early signs of this in the May locals. Again, our District Council has a solid Conservative majority, but the areas most influenced by Oxford/London have been swinging Lib Dem (affluent rural, e.g. Woodstock) or Labour (urban, e.g. Witney). Local district councillors are all over Twitter saying they honestly have no idea what's going to go. Everyone expects one or two Conservative losses but it could be many more than that. Labour and the Lib Dems are campaigning hard in wards where they've never had a significant presence, and finding remarkably good signs on the doorstep.

With something like 8,500 seats in play there's going to be plenty going on and we may see some even more exaggerated "local" outcomes. It would have been good for the LDs to have been able to contest more seats but obviously reversing as many of the 2015 losses as possible has to be the number one priority.

Regaining seats and gaining (or regaining) members is all part of the long slow fightback.

I think the Greens may do very well in some areas but I'd be looking at some of the well-organised and well-funded Independent groups out there who I think could have an excellent evening especially but not exclusively in some of the Conservative heartlands.

I'm in a true blue rural seat (Witney / West Oxfordshire) and fully expect it to be a marginal within 20 years. It's not just the age thing, but basically the Londonisation of the South-East. Rural Oxfordshire is getting 100,000 new houses by 2031, which are effectively "Greater Oxford" overspill. These new residents are going to vote as Oxford votes, and Oxford votes as London votes.

Canterbury was an early harbinger of this. We are going to see much of the rural South-East turn gradually red, yellow, and whatever-colour-TIG-chooses over the next 20 years. The question is whether the post-industrial north will turn blue to balance it.

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We may see early signs of this in the May locals. Again, our District Council has a solid Conservative majority, but the areas most influenced by Oxford/London have been swinging Lib Dem (affluent rural, e.g. Woodstock) or Labour (urban, e.g. Witney). Local district councillors are all over Twitter saying they honestly have no idea what's going to go. Everyone expects one or two Conservative losses but it could be many more than that. Labour and the Lib Dems are campaigning hard in wards where they've never had a significant presence, and finding remarkably good signs on the doorstep.

Interesting. Perhaps Rees-Mogg is shrewder than I thought and his meeting with Steve Bannon was a long-term masterstroke. He knows the Tories have to 'do a Trump' and court the rust-belt vote of the disillusioned and the angry merely to survive.

Certainly *an* argument would have been had, but it wouldn't have enlightened much about our membership of the EU. Which potential UKIP MPs do you think would have changed things?

There being a group of MPs hellbent on leaving would have provoked more debate on how to leave. It doesn’t matter who they were

There were plenty of those in the Tory party. In any case, given the behaviour of the ERG and assorted Kippers, could you really be sure they genuinely would be hell-bent on leaving as opposed to just complaining about the EU?

With something like 8,500 seats in play there's going to be plenty going on and we may see some even more exaggerated "local" outcomes. It would have been good for the LDs to have been able to contest more seats but obviously reversing as many of the 2015 losses as possible has to be the number one priority.

Regaining seats and gaining (or regaining) members is all part of the long slow fightback.

I think the Greens may do very well in some areas but I'd be looking at some of the well-organised and well-funded Independent groups out there who I think could have an excellent evening especially but not exclusively in some of the Conservative heartlands.

For many years, independent candidates had been losing share in local elections. I would expect these elections to reverse that trend, as party identification becomes something that repels rather than attracts votes. Con and Lab have obvious problems, but the LDs do too.

The main problem for the LDs (putting aside their invisible non-leader) is that they have now defined themselves into an exclusive Remainer niche. Gone is the party that could appeal to a very wide base simply because they stood for nothing in particular but were apparently in contention because they had been stuffing loads of misleading leaflets through your door for ages through the election and were surely worth a punt compared to those numpties that had been running the government or local council for years. They used to repel very few people but now they are guaranteed to repel 50%.

Maybe better to use the normal quoting if possible, it's better for people who are blind or have bad vision, they can use screen readers, different fonts, etc. Just hit "quote" the normal way, then copy the contents from the comment box on the previous thread to the one on the new thread.

It kind of sucks that screenshots have ended up being the default way to share text on facebook and twitter, after we pretty much stamped that anti-pattern out in about 1993, but what can you do.

Of course, a game changer for the locals would be, just like in 2017, calling a GE during the campaign. Though calling one when the Tories are in the low 30s in the polls as opposed to the high 40s back then would be "brave".

Certainly *an* argument would have been had, but it wouldn't have enlightened much about our membership of the EU. Which potential UKIP MPs do you think would have changed things?

There being a group of MPs hellbent on leaving would have provoked more debate on how to leave. It doesn’t matter who they were

There were plenty of those in the Tory party. In any case, given the behaviour of the ERG and assorted Kippers, could you really be sure they genuinely would be hell-bent on leaving as opposed to just complaining about the EU?

If the electoral system had been anywhere near representative of the voters, rather than giving 13% of them 0.1% of their fair share, the pre referendum debate would have been better and we’d be in better shape now. It is quite likely that Remain would have won I think. But no one cared because it was only UKIP.

Imagine an all women or all BAME party getting 13% and one seat. The system would probably have been changed by now.

Certainly *an* argument would have been had, but it wouldn't have enlightened much about our membership of the EU. Which potential UKIP MPs do you think would have changed things?

There being a group of MPs hellbent on leaving would have provoked more debate on how to leave. It doesn’t matter who they were

There were plenty of those in the Tory party. In any case, given the behaviour of the ERG and assorted Kippers, could you really be sure they genuinely would be hell-bent on leaving as opposed to just complaining about the EU?

If the electoral system had been anywhere near representative of the voters, rather than giving 13% of them 0.1% of their fair share, the pre referendum debate would have been better and we’d be in better shape now. It is quite likely that Remain would have won I think. But no one cared because it was only UKIP.

Imagine an all women or all BAME party getting 13% and one seat. The system would probably have been changed by now.

Certainly *an* argument would have been had, but it wouldn't have enlightened much about our membership of the EU. Which potential UKIP MPs do you think would have changed things?

There being a group of MPs hellbent on leaving would have provoked more debate on how to leave. It doesn’t matter who they were

There were plenty of those in the Tory party. In any case, given the behaviour of the ERG and assorted Kippers, could you really be sure they genuinely would be hell-bent on leaving as opposed to just complaining about the EU?

Complaining about the EU is what they enjoy the most. Essentially negative people who like complaining. It is an irony of irony that they use the childish epithet "remoaner" for those of us that thing the project is insane. They enjoy getting angry about faux injustice, much like members of the SNP. They will be subconsciously delighted if we don't leave, as will the Daily Mail, Express and Telegraph.

Certainly *an* argument would have been had, but it wouldn't have enlightened much about our membership of the EU. Which potential UKIP MPs do you think would have changed things?

There being a group of MPs hellbent on leaving would have provoked more debate on how to leave. It doesn’t matter who they were

There were plenty of those in the Tory party. In any case, given the behaviour of the ERG and assorted Kippers, could you really be sure they genuinely would be hell-bent on leaving as opposed to just complaining about the EU?

If the electoral system had been anywhere near representative of the voters, rather than giving 13% of them 0.1% of their fair share, the pre referendum debate would have been better and we’d be in better shape now. It is quite likely that Remain would have won I think. But no one cared because it was only UKIP.

Imagine an all women or all BAME party getting 13% and one seat. The system would probably have been changed by now.

They did care, but PR has been discussed since 1850 and we came closer than just discussion in 1974, 1996 and 2011. Neither main party wants it because they have a market duopoly.

After weeks of it being the only news story, Brexit has dropped down to six or seven so what's happening or rather what's not happening?

The Prime Minister's Sunday afternoon chat to the people enjoying their roast beef lunch seems to have gone predictably well. In lieu of there being no MV4, we are forced to either leave on Friday evening or hope the EU will grant a long extension so the whole thing can be either sorted out or forgotten about.

The politics of a long extension don't look clear to me and there's the assumption the EU will grant it. The Tusk "flexstension" seems to have confused everyone which was perhaps the objective but there's a strange calm - before a storm, who can say or will Brexit end not with a bang but with a whimper?

YouTube has completely messed up children’s videos, even their supposedly curated “YouTube Kids” section is full of unsuitable content, and they seem either unwilling or unable to do anything about it.

Large internet companies (for which read Google and Facebook) are going to be on the receiving end of some serious regulation in many countries if they can’t sort out the problem. That’s what happens when they make massive profits and don’t pay any taxes.

I'm in a true blue rural seat (Witney / West Oxfordshire) and fully expect it to be a marginal within 20 years. It's not just the age thing, but basically the Londonisation of the South-East. Rural Oxfordshire is getting 100,000 new houses by 2031, which are effectively "Greater Oxford" overspill. These new residents are going to vote as Oxford votes, and Oxford votes as London votes.

Canterbury was an early harbinger of this. We are going to see much of the rural South-East turn gradually red, yellow, and whatever-colour-TIG-chooses over the next 20 years. The question is whether the post-industrial north will turn blue to balance it.

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We may see early signs of this in the May locals. Again, our District Council has a solid Conservative majority, but the areas most influenced by Oxford/London have been swinging Lib Dem (affluent rural, e.g. Woodstock) or Labour (urban, e.g. Witney). Local district councillors are all over Twitter saying they honestly have no idea what's going to go. Everyone expects one or two Conservative losses but it could be many more than that. Labour and the Lib Dems are campaigning hard in wards where they've never had a significant presence, and finding remarkably good signs on the doorstep.

Certainly *an* argument would have been had, but it wouldn't have enlightened much about our membership of the EU. Which potential UKIP MPs do you think would have changed things?

There being a group of MPs hellbent on leaving would have provoked more debate on how to leave. It doesn’t matter who they were

There were plenty of those in the Tory party. In any case, given the behaviour of the ERG and assorted Kippers, could you really be sure they genuinely would be hell-bent on leaving as opposed to just complaining about the EU?

If the electoral system had been anywhere near representative of the voters, rather than giving 13% of them 0.1% of their fair share, the pre referendum debate would have been better and we’d be in better shape now. It is quite likely that Remain would have won I think. But no one cared because it was only UKIP.

Imagine an all women or all BAME party getting 13% and one seat. The system would probably have been changed by now.

Another Cameron failing - killing AV.

AV would lead to a Parliament full of middle-of-the-road, least-unpopular politicians who could scrape 50.1% on someone’s seventh preference. Much less chance of seeing UKIP or Green types elected under AV than under FPTP.

Certainly *an* argument would have been had, but it wouldn't have enlightened much about our membership of the EU. Which potential UKIP MPs do you think would have changed things?

There being a group of MPs hellbent on leaving would have provoked more debate on how to leave. It doesn’t matter who they were

There were plenty of those in the Tory party. In any case, given the behaviour of the ERG and assorted Kippers, could you really be sure they genuinely would be hell-bent on leaving as opposed to just complaining about the EU?

If the electoral system had been anywhere near representative of the voters, rather than giving 13% of them 0.1% of their fair share, the pre referendum debate would have been better and we’d be in better shape now. It is quite likely that Remain would have won I think. But no one cared because it was only UKIP.

Imagine an all women or all BAME party getting 13% and one seat. The system would probably have been changed by now.

Another Cameron failing - killing AV.

AV would lead to a Parliament full of middle-of-the-road, least-unpopular politicians who could scrape 50.1% on someone’s seventh preference. Much less chance of seeing UKIP or Green types elected under AV than under FPTP.

AV is not proportional. Cameron killed *PR* because that would have been the end of the Conservative and Labour parties.

After weeks of it being the only news story, Brexit has dropped down to six or seven so what's happening or rather what's not happening?

The Prime Minister's Sunday afternoon chat to the people enjoying their roast beef lunch seems to have gone predictably well. In lieu of there being no MV4, we are forced to either leave on Friday evening or hope the EU will grant a long extension so the whole thing can be either sorted out or forgotten about.

The politics of a long extension don't look clear to me and there's the assumption the EU will grant it. The Tusk "flexstension" seems to have confused everyone which was perhaps the objective but there's a strange calm - before a storm, who can say or will Brexit end not with a bang but with a whimper?

The EU can have a revocation by the weekend if they block an extension- MPs are ready to vote for one if a gun is put to their head.

Certainly *an* argument would have been had, but it wouldn't have enlightened much about our membership of the EU. Which potential UKIP MPs do you think would have changed things?

There being a group of MPs hellbent on leaving would have provoked more debate on how to leave. It doesn’t matter who they were

There were plenty of those in the Tory party. In any case, given the behaviour of the ERG and assorted Kippers, could you really be sure they genuinely would be hell-bent on leaving as opposed to just complaining about the EU?

If the electoral system had been anywhere near representative of the voters, rather than giving 13% of them 0.1% of their fair share, the pre referendum debate would have been better and we’d be in better shape now. It is quite likely that Remain would have won I think. But no one cared because it was only UKIP.

Imagine an all women or all BAME party getting 13% and one seat. The system would probably have been changed by now.

Another Cameron failing - killing AV.

AV would lead to a Parliament full of middle-of-the-road, least-unpopular politicians who could scrape 50.1% on someone’s seventh preference. Much less chance of seeing UKIP or Green types elected under AV than under FPTP.

The same negligible chance would be more accurate.

Someone like Lucas would get a lot of AV transfers in Brighton. And all ukip would need to do to win under AV is beat the Tory.

And in all probability it would simply exaggerate the swing toward the larger main party

Large internet companies (for which read Google and Facebook) are going to be on the receiving end of some serious regulation in many countries if they can’t sort out the problem. That’s what happens when they make massive profits and don’t pay any taxes.

Yep. Their advertising revenue is going to get hit too - I get constant and blatant criminal scams advertised to me, and they refuse to take them down.

After weeks of it being the only news story, Brexit has dropped down to six or seven so what's happening or rather what's not happening?

The Prime Minister's Sunday afternoon chat to the people enjoying their roast beef lunch seems to have gone predictably well. In lieu of there being no MV4, we are forced to either leave on Friday evening or hope the EU will grant a long extension so the whole thing can be either sorted out or forgotten about.

The politics of a long extension don't look clear to me and there's the assumption the EU will grant it. The Tusk "flexstension" seems to have confused everyone which was perhaps the objective but there's a strange calm - before a storm, who can say or will Brexit end not with a bang but with a whimper?

The EU can have a revocation by the weekend if they block an extension- MPs are ready to vote for one if a gun is put to their head.

It’s going to come down to one binary vote, isn’t it? Either No Deal or Revoke A50 - followed shortly by an election, at which the MPs can all be individually held accountable for their decision.

Best one? Easy. No debate. Day 1. Back from the palace, grey and red designer dress, graceful yet determined, glowing with power and pride, Philip hovering like a rock (what?), the noble words about looking after people who are "just about managing". A government of the JAMS by the JAMS for the JAMS.

And so it has proved, but not in the way intended or implied.

And the worst day? Far too many contenders to mention. A tome could be written and no doubt many will be. My own 2 suggestions would be, (i) GE17, the morning after the night before, or (ii) the 230 thrashing at the hands of Meaningful Vote 1. Probably (i) because it was utterly unexpected.

Certainly *an* argument would have been had, but it wouldn't have enlightened much about our membership of the EU. Which potential UKIP MPs do you think would have changed things?

There being a group of MPs hellbent on leaving would have provoked more debate on how to leave. It doesn’t matter who they were

There were plenty of those in the Tory party. In any case, given the behaviour of the ERG and assorted Kippers, could you really be sure they genuinely would be hell-bent on leaving as opposed to just complaining about the EU?

If the electoral system had been anywhere near representative of the voters, rather than giving 13% of them 0.1% of their fair share, the pre referendum debate would have been better and we’d be in better shape now. It is quite likely that Remain would have won I think. But no one cared because it was only UKIP.

Imagine an all women or all BAME party getting 13% and one seat. The system would probably have been changed by now.

Another Cameron failing - killing AV.

AV would lead to a Parliament full of middle-of-the-road, least-unpopular politicians who could scrape 50.1% on someone’s seventh preference. Much less chance of seeing UKIP or Green types elected under AV than under FPTP.

AV is not proportional. Cameron killed *PR* because that would have been the end of the Conservative and Labour parties.

Tories have always been opposed to PR. Labour, to be fair, not so much.

After weeks of it being the only news story, Brexit has dropped down to six or seven so what's happening or rather what's not happening?

The Prime Minister's Sunday afternoon chat to the people enjoying their roast beef lunch seems to have gone predictably well. In lieu of there being no MV4, we are forced to either leave on Friday evening or hope the EU will grant a long extension so the whole thing can be either sorted out or forgotten about.

The politics of a long extension don't look clear to me and there's the assumption the EU will grant it. The Tusk "flexstension" seems to have confused everyone which was perhaps the objective but there's a strange calm - before a storm, who can say or will Brexit end not with a bang but with a whimper?

The EU can have a revocation by the weekend if they block an extension- MPs are ready to vote for one if a gun is put to their head.

No way May will permit a revoke. She will go to the country rather than allow that.

Large internet companies (for which read Google and Facebook) are going to be on the receiving end of some serious regulation in many countries if they can’t sort out the problem. That’s what happens when they make massive profits and don’t pay any taxes.

Works for them. The incumbents can afford huge legal and compliance departments and former deputy prime ministers on the payroll to lobby for them. Their competitors can't.

After weeks of it being the only news story, Brexit has dropped down to six or seven so what's happening or rather what's not happening?

The Prime Minister's Sunday afternoon chat to the people enjoying their roast beef lunch seems to have gone predictably well. In lieu of there being no MV4, we are forced to either leave on Friday evening or hope the EU will grant a long extension so the whole thing can be either sorted out or forgotten about.

The politics of a long extension don't look clear to me and there's the assumption the EU will grant it. The Tusk "flexstension" seems to have confused everyone which was perhaps the objective but there's a strange calm - before a storm, who can say or will Brexit end not with a bang but with a whimper?

The EU can have a revocation by the weekend if they block an extension- MPs are ready to vote for one if a gun is put to their head.

No way May will permit a revoke. She will go to the country rather than allow that.

Cooper - Letwin 2 will allow such a vote and May cannot stop it. She will have little input.

After weeks of it being the only news story, Brexit has dropped down to six or seven so what's happening or rather what's not happening?

The Prime Minister's Sunday afternoon chat to the people enjoying their roast beef lunch seems to have gone predictably well. In lieu of there being no MV4, we are forced to either leave on Friday evening or hope the EU will grant a long extension so the whole thing can be either sorted out or forgotten about.

The politics of a long extension don't look clear to me and there's the assumption the EU will grant it. The Tusk "flexstension" seems to have confused everyone which was perhaps the objective but there's a strange calm - before a storm, who can say or will Brexit end not with a bang but with a whimper?

The EU can have a revocation by the weekend if they block an extension- MPs are ready to vote for one if a gun is put to their head.

No way May will permit a revoke. She will go to the country rather than allow that.

No way May will permit No deal. She would go to the country rather than allow that, but there isn't time.

Dilemma.

Revoke would have to be accompanied by a rider of ...and a GE or ...and a PV.

Large internet companies (for which read Google and Facebook) are going to be on the receiving end of some serious regulation in many countries if they can’t sort out the problem. That’s what happens when they make massive profits and don’t pay any taxes.

Yep. Their advertising revenue is going to get hit too - I get constant and blatant criminal scams advertised to me, and they refuse to take them down.

After weeks of it being the only news story, Brexit has dropped down to six or seven so what's happening or rather what's not happening?

The Prime Minister's Sunday afternoon chat to the people enjoying their roast beef lunch seems to have gone predictably well. In lieu of there being no MV4, we are forced to either leave on Friday evening or hope the EU will grant a long extension so the whole thing can be either sorted out or forgotten about.

The politics of a long extension don't look clear to me and there's the assumption the EU will grant it. The Tusk "flexstension" seems to have confused everyone which was perhaps the objective but there's a strange calm - before a storm, who can say or will Brexit end not with a bang but with a whimper?

The EU can have a revocation by the weekend if they block an extension- MPs are ready to vote for one if a gun is put to their head.

No way May will permit a revoke. She will go to the country rather than allow that.

How? She does not have that power, and arranging and running a GE between Wednesday and Friday will require a Tardis.

In my view there was a simple question on the ballot: leave or remain.

That is the question that was asked and answered

Of course different people had different visions for the future and voters chose how to case their votes based on their own motivations

The only hard fact that we have is that the voters instructed the government to arrange for the U.K. to leave. The precise details and timing are a political choice for them to make and reap the rewards / pay the price

After weeks of it being the only news story, Brexit has dropped down to six or seven so what's happening or rather what's not happening?

The Prime Minister's Sunday afternoon chat to the people enjoying their roast beef lunch seems to have gone predictably well. In lieu of there being no MV4, we are forced to either leave on Friday evening or hope the EU will grant a long extension so the whole thing can be either sorted out or forgotten about.

The politics of a long extension don't look clear to me and there's the assumption the EU will grant it. The Tusk "flexstension" seems to have confused everyone which was perhaps the objective but there's a strange calm - before a storm, who can say or will Brexit end not with a bang but with a whimper?

The EU can have a revocation by the weekend if they block an extension- MPs are ready to vote for one if a gun is put to their head.

It’s going to come down to one binary vote, isn’t it? Either No Deal or Revoke A50 - followed shortly by an election, at which the MPs can all be individually held accountable for their decision.

Large internet companies (for which read Google and Facebook) are going to be on the receiving end of some serious regulation in many countries if they can’t sort out the problem. That’s what happens when they make massive profits and don’t pay any taxes.

Works for them. The incumbents can afford huge legal and compliance departments and former deputy prime ministers on the payroll to lobby for them. Their competitors can't.

Indeed. The difficult bit is how to frame legislation in such a way that these two massive companies get hit by it, but small startup competitors don’t. Something that legislators everywhere have traditionally been crap at getting right.

After weeks of it being the only news story, Brexit has dropped down to six or seven so what's happening or rather what's not happening?

The Prime Minister's Sunday afternoon chat to the people enjoying their roast beef lunch seems to have gone predictably well. In lieu of there being no MV4, we are forced to either leave on Friday evening or hope the EU will grant a long extension so the whole thing can be either sorted out or forgotten about.

The politics of a long extension don't look clear to me and there's the assumption the EU will grant it. The Tusk "flexstension" seems to have confused everyone which was perhaps the objective but there's a strange calm - before a storm, who can say or will Brexit end not with a bang but with a whimper?

The EU can have a revocation by the weekend if they block an extension- MPs are ready to vote for one if a gun is put to their head.

No way May will permit a revoke. She will go to the country rather than allow that.

No way May will permit No deal. She would go to the country rather than allow that, but there isn't time.

Dilemma.

Revoke would have to be accompanied by a rider of ...and a GE or ...and a PV.

Then Labour will pivot towards "not wasting time on another referendum or Brexit- focus on jobs n nurses and skools" for their manifesto.

Hey presto - no Brexit as it goes down in flames with the Cons at the GE.

In my view there was a simple question on the ballot: leave or remain.

That is the question that was asked and answered

Of course different people had different visions for the future and voters chose how to case their votes based on their own motivations

The only hard fact that we have is that the voters instructed the government to arrange for the U.K. to leave. The precise details and timing are a political choice for them to make and reap the rewards / pay the price

And the government has arranged for the UK to Leave. Unfortunately the people's representatives, elected more recently than the referendum, do not support the government's proposals. Worse than that, the lack of support includes many Leave MPs.

The only answer is to ask the people to tell parliament to implement May's Deal... or to not implement it, as the people wish.

After weeks of it being the only news story, Brexit has dropped down to six or seven so what's happening or rather what's not happening?

The Prime Minister's Sunday afternoon chat to the people enjoying their roast beef lunch seems to have gone predictably well. In lieu of there being no MV4, we are forced to either leave on Friday evening or hope the EU will grant a long extension so the whole thing can be either sorted out or forgotten about.

The politics of a long extension don't look clear to me and there's the assumption the EU will grant it. The Tusk "flexstension" seems to have confused everyone which was perhaps the objective but there's a strange calm - before a storm, who can say or will Brexit end not with a bang but with a whimper?

The EU can have a revocation by the weekend if they block an extension- MPs are ready to vote for one if a gun is put to their head.

No way May will permit a revoke. She will go to the country rather than allow that.

No way May will permit No deal. She would go to the country rather than allow that, but there isn't time.

Dilemma.

Revoke would have to be accompanied by a rider of ...and a GE or ...and a PV.

Then Labour will pivot towards "not wasting time on another referendum or Brexit- focus on jobs n nurses and skools" for their manifesto.

Hey presto - no Brexit as it goes down in flames with the Cons at the GE.

Large internet companies (for which read Google and Facebook) are going to be on the receiving end of some serious regulation in many countries if they can’t sort out the problem. That’s what happens when they make massive profits and don’t pay any taxes.

Yep. Their advertising revenue is going to get hit too - I get constant and blatant criminal scams advertised to me, and they refuse to take them down.

Certainly *an* argument would have been had, but it wouldn't have enlightened much about our membership of the EU. Which potential UKIP MPs do you think would have changed things?

There being a group of MPs hellbent on leaving would have provoked more debate on how to leave. It doesn’t matter who they were

There were plenty of those in the Tory party. In any case, given the behaviour of the ERG and assorted Kippers, could you really be sure they genuinely would be hell-bent on leaving as opposed to just complaining about the EU?

If the electoral system had been anywhere near representative of the voters, rather than giving 13% of them 0.1% of their fair share, the pre referendum debate would have been better and we’d be in better shape now. It is quite likely that Remain would have won I think. But no one cared because it was only UKIP.

Imagine an all women or all BAME party getting 13% and one seat. The system would probably have been changed by now.

Another Cameron failing - killing AV.

AV would lead to a Parliament full of middle-of-the-road, least-unpopular politicians who could scrape 50.1% on someone’s seventh preference. Much less chance of seeing UKIP or Green types elected under AV than under FPTP.

The same negligible chance would be more accurate.

Someone like Lucas would get a lot of AV transfers in Brighton. And all ukip would need to do to win under AV is beat the Tory.

And in all probability it would simply exaggerate the swing toward the larger main party

Yes. Lucas arguably already HAS a vast amount of transfers. The Lab AND Tory vote shares have both fallen over each of the last 3 elections. Which is rather remarkable really.And she got 52% of the vote. So they wouldn't matter anyways.

After weeks of it being the only news story, Brexit has dropped down to six or seven so what's happening or rather what's not happening?

The Prime Minister's Sunday afternoon chat to the people enjoying their roast beef lunch seems to have gone predictably well. In lieu of there being no MV4, we are forced to either leave on Friday evening or hope the EU will grant a long extension so the whole thing can be either sorted out or forgotten about.

The politics of a long extension don't look clear to me and there's the assumption the EU will grant it. The Tusk "flexstension" seems to have confused everyone which was perhaps the objective but there's a strange calm - before a storm, who can say or will Brexit end not with a bang but with a whimper?

The EU can have a revocation by the weekend if they block an extension- MPs are ready to vote for one if a gun is put to their head.

No way May will permit a revoke. She will go to the country rather than allow that.

No way May will permit No deal. She would go to the country rather than allow that, but there isn't time.

Dilemma.

Revoke would have to be accompanied by a rider of ...and a GE or ...and a PV.

In consdiration yes, maybe. Revoke call a GE and promise to push through the WA if they give a majority?

After weeks of it being the only news story, Brexit has dropped down to six or seven so what's happening or rather what's not happening?

The Prime Minister's Sunday afternoon chat to the people enjoying their roast beef lunch seems to have gone predictably well. In lieu of there being no MV4, we are forced to either leave on Friday evening or hope the EU will grant a long extension so the whole thing can be either sorted out or forgotten about.

The politics of a long extension don't look clear to me and there's the assumption the EU will grant it. The Tusk "flexstension" seems to have confused everyone which was perhaps the objective but there's a strange calm - before a storm, who can say or will Brexit end not with a bang but with a whimper?

The EU can have a revocation by the weekend if they block an extension- MPs are ready to vote for one if a gun is put to their head.

No way May will permit a revoke. She will go to the country rather than allow that.

No way May will permit No deal. She would go to the country rather than allow that, but there isn't time.

Dilemma.

Revoke would have to be accompanied by a rider of ...and a GE or ...and a PV.

Then Labour will pivot towards "not wasting time on another referendum or Brexit- focus on jobs n nurses and skools" for their manifesto.

Hey presto - no Brexit as it goes down in flames with the Cons at the GE.

Yes, May doesn't really need a TARDIS to decide not to go for a GE. However keen she is to erase the shame of 2017

After weeks of it being the only news story, Brexit has dropped down to six or seven so what's happening or rather what's not happening?

The Prime Minister's Sunday afternoon chat to the people enjoying their roast beef lunch seems to have gone predictably well. In lieu of there being no MV4, we are forced to either leave on Friday evening or hope the EU will grant a long extension so the whole thing can be either sorted out or forgotten about.

The politics of a long extension don't look clear to me and there's the assumption the EU will grant it. The Tusk "flexstension" seems to have confused everyone which was perhaps the objective but there's a strange calm - before a storm, who can say or will Brexit end not with a bang but with a whimper?

The EU can have a revocation by the weekend if they block an extension- MPs are ready to vote for one if a gun is put to their head.

No way May will permit a revoke. She will go to the country rather than allow that.

How? She does not have that power, and arranging and running a GE between Wednesday and Friday will require a Tardis.

She has to revoke it personally. Whilst she is PM she can theoretically block revoke by simply not doing it. Whether she would do such a thing is another matter. Pretty much no MP voting revoke- with a four figure majority is getting back in though, it'll be carnage

After weeks of it being the only news story, Brexit has dropped down to six or seven so what's happening or rather what's not happening?

The Prime Minister's Sunday afternoon chat to the people enjoying their roast beef lunch seems to have gone predictably well. In lieu of there being no MV4, we are forced to either leave on Friday evening or hope the EU will grant a long extension so the whole thing can be either sorted out or forgotten about.

The politics of a long extension don't look clear to me and there's the assumption the EU will grant it. The Tusk "flexstension" seems to have confused everyone which was perhaps the objective but there's a strange calm - before a storm, who can say or will Brexit end not with a bang but with a whimper?

The EU can have a revocation by the weekend if they block an extension- MPs are ready to vote for one if a gun is put to their head.

No way May will permit a revoke. She will go to the country rather than allow that.

How? She does not have that power, and arranging and running a GE between Wednesday and Friday will require a Tardis.

She has to revoke it personally. Whilst she is PM she can theoretically block revoke by simply not doing it. Whether she would do such a thing is another matter. Pretty much no MP voting revoke- with a four figure majority is getting back in though, it'll be carnage

After weeks of it being the only news story, Brexit has dropped down to six or seven so what's happening or rather what's not happening?

The Prime Minister's Sunday afternoon chat to the people enjoying their roast beef lunch seems to have gone predictably well. In lieu of there being no MV4, we are forced to either leave on Friday evening or hope the EU will grant a long extension so the whole thing can be either sorted out or forgotten about.

The politics of a long extension don't look clear to me and there's the assumption the EU will grant it. The Tusk "flexstension" seems to have confused everyone which was perhaps the objective but there's a strange calm - before a storm, who can say or will Brexit end not with a bang but with a whimper?

The EU can have a revocation by the weekend if they block an extension- MPs are ready to vote for one if a gun is put to their head.

No way May will permit a revoke. She will go to the country rather than allow that.

How? She does not have that power, and arranging and running a GE between Wednesday and Friday will require a Tardis.

She has to revoke it personally. Whilst she is PM she can theoretically block revoke by simply not doing it. Whether she would do such a thing is another matter. Pretty much no MP voting revoke- with a four figure majority is getting back in though, it'll be carnage

If revoke passes by 100 votes she wont overrule that.

Agreed. But if it's very tight she might, and it would be I think, mps like their job and voting revoke is voting themselves out next time around for many

After weeks of it being the only news story, Brexit has dropped down to six or seven so what's happening or rather what's not happening?

The Prime Minister's Sunday afternoon chat to the people enjoying their roast beef lunch seems to have gone predictably well. In lieu of there being no MV4, we are forced to either leave on Friday evening or hope the EU will grant a long extension so the whole thing can be either sorted out or forgotten about.

The politics of a long extension don't look clear to me and there's the assumption the EU will grant it. The Tusk "flexstension" seems to have confused everyone which was perhaps the objective but there's a strange calm - before a storm, who can say or will Brexit end not with a bang but with a whimper?

The EU can have a revocation by the weekend if they block an extension- MPs are ready to vote for one if a gun is put to their head.

No way May will permit a revoke. She will go to the country rather than allow that.

How? She does not have that power, and arranging and running a GE between Wednesday and Friday will require a Tardis.

She has to revoke it personally. Whilst she is PM she can theoretically block revoke by simply not doing it. Whether she would do such a thing is another matter. Pretty much no MP voting revoke- with a four figure majority is getting back in though, it'll be carnage

Maybe better to use the normal quoting if possible, it's better for people who are blind or have bad vision, they can use screen readers, different fonts, etc. Just hit "quote" the normal way, then copy the contents from the comment box on the previous thread to the one on the new thread.

It kind of sucks that screenshots have ended up being the default way to share text on facebook and twitter, after we pretty much stamped that anti-pattern out in about 1993, but what can you do.

In my view there was a simple question on the ballot: leave or remain.

That is the question that was asked and answered

Of course different people had different visions for the future and voters chose how to case their votes based on their own motivations

The only hard fact that we have is that the voters instructed the government to arrange for the U.K. to leave. The precise details and timing are a political choice for them to make and reap the rewards / pay the price

It was a simple question on this topic, but it was backed up with a heck of a lot of other ancillary information. For instance, in that question, 'remain' meant on the terms of Cameron's deal. Because Cameron and his team had done the work to define what it meant.

There was no such ancillary information on what leave meant, just a whole load of wish-lists from various people, several large items of which were incompatible and inconsistent.

After weeks of it being the only news story, Brexit has dropped down to six or seven so what's happening or rather what's not happening?

The Prime Minister's Sunday afternoon chat to the people enjoying their roast beef lunch seems to have gone predictably well. In lieu of there being no MV4, we are forced to either leave on Friday evening or hope the EU will grant a long extension so the whole thing can be either sorted out or forgotten about.

The politics of a long extension don't look clear to me and there's the assumption the EU will grant it. The Tusk "flexstension" seems to have confused everyone which was perhaps the objective but there's a strange calm - before a storm, who can say or will Brexit end not with a bang but with a whimper?

The EU can have a revocation by the weekend if they block an extension- MPs are ready to vote for one if a gun is put to their head.

No way May will permit a revoke. She will go to the country rather than allow that.

How? She does not have that power, and arranging and running a GE between Wednesday and Friday will require a Tardis.

She has to revoke it personally. Whilst she is PM she can theoretically block revoke by simply not doing it. Whether she would do such a thing is another matter. Pretty much no MP voting revoke- with a four figure majority is getting back in though, it'll be carnage

I doubt it, people will be relieved that it's all over.

It wont be all over though, it will dominate politics, the sense of betrayal of nearly half of voters isn't going away if we revoke, it intensifies. We lurch towards extremists promising no deal exit without referendum

After weeks of it being the only news story, Brexit has dropped down to six or seven so what's happening or rather what's not happening?

The Prime Minister's Sunday afternoon chat to the people enjoying their roast beef lunch seems to have gone predictably well. In lieu of there being no MV4, we are forced to either leave on Friday evening or hope the EU will grant a long extension so the whole thing can be either sorted out or forgotten about.

The politics of a long extension don't look clear to me and there's the assumption the EU will grant it. The Tusk "flexstension" seems to have confused everyone which was perhaps the objective but there's a strange calm - before a storm, who can say or will Brexit end not with a bang but with a whimper?

The EU can have a revocation by the weekend if they block an extension- MPs are ready to vote for one if a gun is put to their head.

No way May will permit a revoke. She will go to the country rather than allow that.

How? She does not have that power, and arranging and running a GE between Wednesday and Friday will require a Tardis.

She has to revoke it personally. Whilst she is PM she can theoretically block revoke by simply not doing it. Whether she would do such a thing is another matter. Pretty much no MP voting revoke- with a four figure majority is getting back in though, it'll be carnage

I doubt it, people will be relieved that it's all over.

The carnage will be in the Tory party. Everyone else can get on with our lives

After weeks of it being the only news story, Brexit has dropped down to six or seven so what's happening or rather what's not happening?

The Prime Minister's Sunday afternoon chat to the people enjoying their roast beef lunch seems to have gone predictably well. In lieu of there being no MV4, we are forced to either leave on Friday evening or hope the EU will grant a long extension so the whole thing can be either sorted out or forgotten about.

The politics of a long extension don't look clear to me and there's the assumption the EU will grant it. The Tusk "flexstension" seems to have confused everyone which was perhaps the objective but there's a strange calm - before a storm, who can say or will Brexit end not with a bang but with a whimper?

The EU can have a revocation by the weekend if they block an extension- MPs are ready to vote for one if a gun is put to their head.

No way May will permit a revoke. She will go to the country rather than allow that.

How? She does not have that power, and arranging and running a GE between Wednesday and Friday will require a Tardis.

She has to revoke it personally. Whilst she is PM she can theoretically block revoke by simply not doing it. Whether she would do such a thing is another matter. Pretty much no MP voting revoke- with a four figure majority is getting back in though, it'll be carnage

After weeks of it being the only news story, Brexit has dropped down to six or seven so what's happening or rather what's not happening?

The Prime Minister's Sunday afternoon chat to the people enjoying their roast beef lunch seems to have gone predictably well. In lieu of there being no MV4, we are forced to either leave on Friday evening or hope the EU will grant a long extension so the whole thing can be either sorted out or forgotten about.

The politics of a long extension don't look clear to me and there's the assumption the EU will grant it. The Tusk "flexstension" seems to have confused everyone which was perhaps the objective but there's a strange calm - before a storm, who can say or will Brexit end not with a bang but with a whimper?

The EU can have a revocation by the weekend if they block an extension- MPs are ready to vote for one if a gun is put to their head.

No way May will permit a revoke. She will go to the country rather than allow that.

How? She does not have that power, and arranging and running a GE between Wednesday and Friday will require a Tardis.

She has to revoke it personally. Whilst she is PM she can theoretically block revoke by simply not doing it. Whether she would do such a thing is another matter. Pretty much no MP voting revoke- with a four figure majority is getting back in though, it'll be carnage

I doubt it, people will be relieved that it's all over.

It wont be all over though, it will dominate politics, the sense of betrayal of nearly half of voters isn't going away if we revoke, it intensifies. We lurch towards extremists promising no deal exit without referendum

After weeks of it being the only news story, Brexit has dropped down to six or seven so what's happening or rather what's not happening?

The Prime Minister's Sunday afternoon chat to the people enjoying their roast beef lunch seems to have gone predictably well. In lieu of there being no MV4, we are forced to either leave on Friday evening or hope the EU will grant a long extension so the whole thing can be either sorted out or forgotten about.

The politics of a long extension don't look clear to me and there's the assumption the EU will grant it. The Tusk "flexstension" seems to have confused everyone which was perhaps the objective but there's a strange calm - before a storm, who can say or will Brexit end not with a bang but with a whimper?

The EU can have a revocation by the weekend if they block an extension- MPs are ready to vote for one if a gun is put to their head.

No way May will permit a revoke. She will go to the country rather than allow that.

How? She does not have that power, and arranging and running a GE between Wednesday and Friday will require a Tardis.

She has to revoke it personally. Whilst she is PM she can theoretically block revoke by simply not doing it. Whether she would do such a thing is another matter. Pretty much no MP voting revoke- with a four figure majority is getting back in though, it'll be carnage

I doubt it, people will be relieved that it's all over.

The carnage will be in the Tory party. Everyone else can get on with our lives

In my view there was a simple question on the ballot: leave or remain.

That is the question that was asked and answered

Of course different people had different visions for the future and voters chose how to case their votes based on their own motivations

The only hard fact that we have is that the voters instructed the government to arrange for the U.K. to leave. The precise details and timing are a political choice for them to make and reap the rewards / pay the price

And the government has arranged for the UK to Leave. Unfortunately the people's representatives, elected more recently than the referendum, do not support the government's proposals. Worse than that, the lack of support includes many Leave MPs.

The only answer is to ask the people to tell parliament to implement May's Deal... or to not implement it, as the people wish.

Agreed.

I’m not a fan of deal / no deal as a referendum because it’s the result of obstruction by politicians but if it has to be that way then so be it

After weeks of it being the only news story, Brexit has dropped down to six or seven so what's happening or rather what's not happening?

The Prime Minister's Sunday afternoon chat to the people enjoying their roast beef lunch seems to have gone predictably well. In lieu of there being no MV4, we are forced to either leave on Friday evening or hope the EU will grant a long extension so the whole thing can be either sorted out or forgotten about.

The politics of a long extension don't look clear to me and there's the assumption the EU will grant it. The Tusk "flexstension" seems to have confused everyone which was perhaps the objective but there's a strange calm - before a storm, who can say or will Brexit end not with a bang but with a whimper?

The EU can have a revocation by the weekend if they block an extension- MPs are ready to vote for one if a gun is put to their head.

No way May will permit a revoke. She will go to the country rather than allow that.

How? She does not have that power, and arranging and running a GE between Wednesday and Friday will require a Tardis.

She has to revoke it personally. Whilst she is PM she can theoretically block revoke by simply not doing it. Whether she would do such a thing is another matter. Pretty much no MP voting revoke- with a four figure majority is getting back in though, it'll be carnage

I doubt it, people will be relieved that it's all over.

It wont be all over though, it will dominate politics, the sense of betrayal of nearly half of voters isn't going away if we revoke, it intensifies. We lurch towards extremists promising no deal exit without referendum

After weeks of it being the only news story, Brexit has dropped down to six or seven so what's happening or rather what's not happening?

The Prime Minister's Sunday afternoon chat to the people enjoying their roast beef lunch seems to have gone predictably well. In lieu of there being no MV4, we are forced to either leave on Friday evening or hope the EU will grant a long extension so the whole thing can be either sorted out or forgotten about.

The politics of a long extension don't look clear to me and there's the assumption the EU will grant it. The Tusk "flexstension" seems to have confused everyone which was perhaps the objective but there's a strange calm - before a storm, who can say or will Brexit end not with a bang but with a whimper?

The EU can have a revocation by the weekend if they block an extension- MPs are ready to vote for one if a gun is put to their head.

No way May will permit a revoke. She will go to the country rather than allow that.

How? She does not have that power, and arranging and running a GE between Wednesday and Friday will require a Tardis.

She has to revoke it personally. Whilst she is PM she can theoretically block revoke by simply not doing it. Whether she would do such a thing is another matter. Pretty much no MP voting revoke- with a four figure majority is getting back in though, it'll be carnage

I doubt it, people will be relieved that it's all over.

It wont be all over though, it will dominate politics, the sense of betrayal of nearly half of voters isn't going away if we revoke, it intensifies. We lurch towards extremists promising no deal exit without referendum

The Tories can split into a sensible party and a stupid party, both in favour of PR

After weeks of it being the only news story, Brexit has dropped down to six or seven so what's happening or rather what's not happening?

The Prime Minister's Sunday afternoon chat to the people enjoying their roast beef lunch seems to have gone predictably well. In lieu of there being no MV4, we are forced to either leave on Friday evening or hope the EU will grant a long extension so the whole thing can be either sorted out or forgotten about.

The politics of a long extension don't look clear to me and there's the assumption the EU will grant it. The Tusk "flexstension" seems to have confused everyone which was perhaps the objective but there's a strange calm - before a storm, who can say or will Brexit end not with a bang but with a whimper?

The EU can have a revocation by the weekend if they block an extension- MPs are ready to vote for one if a gun is put to their head.

No way May will permit a revoke. She will go to the country rather than allow that.

How? She does not have that power, and arranging and running a GE between Wednesday and Friday will require a Tardis.

She has to revoke it personally. Whilst she is PM she can theoretically block revoke by simply not doing it. Whether she would do such a thing is another matter. Pretty much no MP voting revoke- with a four figure majority is getting back in though, it'll be carnage

I doubt it, people will be relieved that it's all over.

The carnage will be in the Tory party. Everyone else can get on with our lives

Optimistic. The 'betrayal' movement will begin imo

I fear you are right, but the bullet will have to be bitten. Maybe some sort of gesture of goodwill from the EU would help, but I'm not too confident.

After weeks of it being the only news story, Brexit has dropped down to six or seven so what's happening or rather what's not happening?

The Prime Minister's Sunday afternoon chat to the people enjoying their roast beef lunch seems to have gone predictably well. In lieu of there being no MV4, we are forced to either leave on Friday evening or hope the EU will grant a long extension so the whole thing can be either sorted out or forgotten about.

The politics of a long extension don't look clear to me and there's the assumption the EU will grant it. The Tusk "flexstension" seems to have confused everyone which was perhaps the objective but there's a strange calm - before a storm, who can say or will Brexit end not with a bang but with a whimper?

The EU can have a revocation by the weekend if they block an extension- MPs are ready to vote for one if a gun is put to their head.

No way May will permit a revoke. She will go to the country rather than allow that.

How? She does not have that power, and arranging and running a GE between Wednesday and Friday will require a Tardis.

She has to revoke it personally. Whilst she is PM she can theoretically block revoke by simply not doing it. Whether she would do such a thing is another matter. Pretty much no MP voting revoke- with a four figure majority is getting back in though, it'll be carnage

I doubt it, people will be relieved that it's all over.

It wont be all over though, it will dominate politics, the sense of betrayal of nearly half of voters isn't going away if we revoke, it intensifies. We lurch towards extremists promising no deal exit without referendum

Starting with the EU elections, if we take part in those.

Nigel Farage and Dan Hannan aren’t going to go away as MEPs, and there’s a good chance we might end up with ‘Tommy Robinson’ and a few of his friends elected to Brussels too - just as we did with Nick Griffin and Andrew Brons back in 2009.

After weeks of it being the only news story, Brexit has dropped down to six or seven so what's happening or rather what's not happening?

The Prime Minister's Sunday afternoon chat to the people enjoying their roast beef lunch seems to have gone predictably well. In lieu of there being no MV4, we are forced to either leave on Friday evening or hope the EU will grant a long extension so the whole thing can be either sorted out or forgotten about.

The politics of a long extension don't look clear to me and there's the assumption the EU will grant it. The Tusk "flexstension" seems to have confused everyone which was perhaps the objective but there's a strange calm - before a storm, who can say or will Brexit end not with a bang but with a whimper?

The EU can have a revocation by the weekend if they block an extension- MPs are ready to vote for one if a gun is put to their head.

No way May will permit a revoke. She will go to the country rather than allow that.

How? She does not have that power, and arranging and running a GE between Wednesday and Friday will require a Tardis.

She has to revoke it personally. Whilst she is PM she can theoretically block revoke by simply not doing it. Whether she would do such a thing is another matter. Pretty much no MP voting revoke- with a four figure majority is getting back in though, it'll be carnage

I doubt it, people will be relieved that it's all over.

It wont be all over though, it will dominate politics, the sense of betrayal of nearly half of voters isn't going away if we revoke, it intensifies. We lurch towards extremists promising no deal exit without referendum

The Tories can split into a sensible party and a stupid party, both in favour of PR

Labour may split. Into a stupid party and a stupider party. Both in favour of higher taxes.

After weeks of it being the only news story, Brexit has dropped down to six or seven so what's happening or rather what's not happening?

The Prime Minister's Sunday afternoon chat to the people enjoying their roast beef lunch seems to have gone predictably well. In lieu of there being no MV4, we are forced to either leave on Friday evening or hope the EU will grant a long extension so the whole thing can be either sorted out or forgotten about.

The politics of a long extension don't look clear to me and there's the assumption the EU will grant it. The Tusk "flexstension" seems to have confused everyone which was perhaps the objective but there's a strange calm - before a storm, who can say or will Brexit end not with a bang but with a whimper?

The EU can have a revocation by the weekend if they block an extension- MPs are ready to vote for one if a gun is put to their head.

No way May will permit a revoke. She will go to the country rather than allow that.

How? She does not have that power, and arranging and running a GE between Wednesday and Friday will require a Tardis.

She has to revoke it personally. Whilst she is PM she can theoretically block revoke by simply not doing it. Whether she would do such a thing is another matter. Pretty much no MP voting revoke- with a four figure majority is getting back in though, it'll be carnage

I doubt it, people will be relieved that it's all over.

It wont be all over though, it will dominate politics, the sense of betrayal of nearly half of voters isn't going away if we revoke, it intensifies. We lurch towards extremists promising no deal exit without referendum

The Tories can split into a sensible party and a stupid party, both in favour of PR

After weeks of it being the only news story, Brexit has dropped down to six or seven so what's happening or rather what's not happening?

The Prime Minister's Sunday afternoon chat to the people enjoying their roast beef lunch seems to have gone predictably well. In lieu of there being no MV4, we are forced to either leave on Friday evening or hope the EU will grant a long extension so the whole thing can be either sorted out or forgotten about.

The politics of a long extension don't look clear to me and there's the assumption the EU will grant it. The Tusk "flexstension" seems to have confused everyone which was perhaps the objective but there's a strange calm - before a storm, who can say or will Brexit end not with a bang but with a whimper?

The EU can have a revocation by the weekend if they block an extension- MPs are ready to vote for one if a gun is put to their head.

No way May will permit a revoke. She will go to the country rather than allow that.

How? She does not have that power, and arranging and running a GE between Wednesday and Friday will require a Tardis.

She has to revoke it personally. Whilst she is PM she can theoretically block revoke by simply not doing it. Whether she would do such a thing is another matter. Pretty much no MP voting revoke- with a four figure majority is getting back in though, it'll be carnage

I doubt it, people will be relieved that it's all over.

It wont be all over though, it will dominate politics, the sense of betrayal of nearly half of voters isn't going away if we revoke, it intensifies. We lurch towards extremists promising no deal exit without referendum

The Tories can split into a sensible party and a stupid party, both in favour of PR

Yes, this guaranteed implosion of the Tories does make their support for revoke doubtful though