FYI, nobody here is stating that if you have the money, not to buy the upper end scopes. I think the ops post was pretty clear.

If you call this clear then it's actually to the opposite way. Maybe if he wasn't "looking to break people's habits" then the responses would have been different. In any case, most posts have suggested quality scopes that don't break the bank.

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Hi I'm looking to break the cycle of people buying high dollar scopes just because of there name,
Binoculars and spotting scopes as well, wasting hard earned cash on stuff they don't need.

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"Don't need", now you can interpret that anyway you want. People don't need optics at all to hunt. You want to save hard earned cash, buy a $100 Mosin-Nagant with iron sights and call it a day. Be sure to hunt public/free land as well, you know that hunting lease (yearly purchase) will run you as much as a top end scope (once in a lifetime purchase). While you're at it, walking to the hunt is the way to save money at these gas prices.

I think all we need is a little perspective to the total cost of this hobby. You don't need to buy a $100 scope.

Not sure what part you didn't understand. Maybe it was the High value part. What's to argue about? He's not asking what you're thoughts are comparing low cost optics to high end optics, we all know the answer to that. He's wanting to know which low cost optics are "good" quality (high value) scopes, it's simple. Not sure whose habits he's breaking here. If you buy high end optics and can afford them, I'm surprised this thread caught your attention anyways. I'm sure he didn't mean to offend the people who can.

Hunting/shooting isn't just for the well to do, although with all the commercialization you might be led to believe that.

To put things in perspective; Do "I" need or require a 5,000 dollar plus rifle/scope system to harvest a deer that costs more to process than buying beef or pork at the meat locker? No, I don't, and that's my reality and I'm sure many others too. Most people I would assume hunt for meat, good times with friends, family, and not trophies on the wall.

As far as light transmission goes the 42mm obj and 1" tube I have dont really help. But your right If i had my friends Leupold with a 50mm obj and 30mm tube i would get an extra 30 min or so of trigger time, but that being said Ive got better than 20-20 vision and real good night-vision, he wears glasses/contacts.
The actual side by side difference when were shooting head to head is almost nonexistent maybe 5 min, So the optical quality on the gun is only part of the equation. But I do about 20 times more target shooting than hunting, so missing that once in a lifetime shot on a trophy groundhog isnt really keeping me up at night, trophy groundhog?

does that Weaver Say $1000 now $269? Id be all over that thing if it was a mil dot, thats also an issue for me I want mil dot or tactical dot reticles and alot of the mid range scopes arent available in mil dot the 30-30 doesnt cut it for the kind of shooting i do

Sami
Im more interested in the .308 what model is it? whats the round count? heavy barrel or sporter? and does it have the Accuststock on it? Also does it have scope mounts attached?
I know I can Buy A different Rifle with an Aluminum Bedding block or buy an Aftermarket stock for a different rifle but Id like to save what I can, so I dont just end up with a paper towel roll and some string duct taped to my gun for a scope.

As far as light transmission goes the 42mm obj and 1" tube I have dont really help.

For light transmission the first critical thing is lens quality. Objective size only matters when the magnification grows. 42mm / 3x = 14mm exit pupil so the 42mm gives more than a human eye can handle at 3x. For most human eyes a 42mm at 6-7x gives about maximum light. Tube size doesn't effect light transmission.

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Originally Posted by Savageman69

does that Weaver Say $1000 now $269? Id be all over that thing if it was a mil dot, thats also an issue for me I want mil dot or tactical dot reticles and alot of the mid range scopes arent available in mil dot the 30-30 doesnt cut it for the kind of shooting i do

Their Tactical 3-15x50 is a good scope but that comes with a $650 price tag. Illuminated reticle on the first focal plane so it's still a great value. I'll try to see what is available is the lower range with mildot but usually they are closeout specials and when they are gone they are gone.

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Im more interested in the .308 what model is it? whats the round count? heavy barrel or sporter? and does it have the Accuststock on it? Also does it have scope mounts attached?

Heavy 20" varmint barrel with a threaded muzzle. 1:10 twist. Barrel has not been shot at all, action is from a 30-06 Savage 110. Stock can be a few different ones. Choate Ultimate Sniper if you want a heavy tactical stock, regular 110 stock or a custom laminate. I will PM you some pictures. The gun hasn't been assembled yet since I am thinking of re-bluing the action or duracoating the whole gun.

My previous comments were you get what you pay for (most times) in optics, especially scopes and I'm sure there are exceptions....

I got a real nice set of bino's, for free with the Bushy ARC1000 I bought before Christmas. Roof prism, coated lenses and all.

I never got anything worth a shitte for free before so I was pleasantly surprised.

Gimme a break will ya??

I'm climbing down from high priced Leupyville to Vortex village with no apparent (to me at least) negative results. The Viper PST I just bought was half the price of my usual Leupy and appears to my old eyes to be every bit as good, maybe better in some respects than my beloved Leupy's.

However, I'd take a Leupy VX4 Tactical TMR, Illuminated retcles if anyone wants to trade for the Vortex.......Even up....

I have felt you're not getting much value with Leupy's for a while now. Surprisingly many seems to think they are high end scopes while I rate them at the middle of the pack. I guess that makes them German and Austrian scopes some sort of ultra high end exotic luxury items to the same people.