OK, maybe the leafs were a bad example in a way. But what I meant was that they got a good coach, that likes his team to play a tough brand of hockey, and when they play like that, they win.

And that kind of hockey is Flyers hockey, unfortunately Laviolette does not understand Flyers hockey.

Get someone like Carlyle, and then get players like Clowe, Lucic, Neil, Carkner and even a guy like Orr. And let them play Flyers hockey.

Keep the top players like Giroux and of course tough players like Hartnell, Simmonds, Rinaldo and maybe Sestito. Get rid of Shelley because he is too old and not nasty enough. Then get rid of guys like Fedotenko and replace them with bangers. Then you obviously need some nasty defencemen to replace the likes of Pronger.

Keep the skilled guys and replace the average guys with tough nasty players that you hate to play against. That is Flyers hockey.

What are you talking about? Rinaldo just concussed somebody last week. Tampa Bay got physically pushed around, as did Carolina. And even though we lost the first game of the season against Pittsburgh, the Flyers were pushing them around pretty good in the 2nd and 3rd. We got Fedotenko for hockey sense defensively. Orr is useless, Carkner sucks and is injured alot, nobody but Boston has a Lucic. Rinaldo could easily become a Neil

Not to be too critical, but the Flyers are fine and going to be fine for awhile. With the line combinations switching every other shift, and the youth, it will take a period of time to adjust. "Flyers hockey" is whatever the current culture of the Flyers is.

Currently, it looks like the organizational philosophy is to be stacked at center, have a lot of bangers and an aggressive forecheck. Less finesse. Press. Have decently big to very big defensemen (Kimmo is so talented it doesn't matter) who are mobile with a Kimmoesque defenseman to QB the PP (Ghost, Gus). Harder workers who refuse to take a shift off. You always want a good goaltender.

So how are they doing? With Cooter/G/B.Schenn the middle is set for a decade. Wingers aren't difficult to pick up, plus they overstock the center and move to wing as needed. Defense? They couldn't predict the loss of Pronger, so they had to swap a big, mobile forward, for L.Schenn. Defense gets fixed or they get a #1 somehow, this team is perfectly fine. It needs to grow a bit. The forwards they have are, for the large part, good physical guys who can scrum in the corners, which is what they want.

Leafs fan here. Yeah, we're the only team to not make the playoffs between the two lockouts. Unless your goal is to play more golf, I think you should wait until we have at least some degree of success first.

As a Leaf fan I love and respect my team, I show nothing but heart for my team, so allow me to retort the OP' point as a true leaf fan:

WHY IN GOD'S NAME WOULD YOU WANT TO HAVE OUR MOULD? We don't even know what the hell our mould is yet! besides the Beatdown in Smurf town the best we have had are just lucky bounces and awesome goaltending/Coaching. Everything else has been average. Mark my words, the flyers will hold the cup in the next 5 years while we will be trying to figure out how to get past the first round of the playoffs in 3

The great thing about this isn't even about our lack of success in the last decade (which is shocking, because as far as I'm concerned HF links this to everything), but it seems to me that the OP is basing this off of one game where we dominated both a lackluster and a miniscule Habs team. There are small sample sizes and then there are small sample sizes.

Anyone who starts a Fire Lavy campaign has to come forth with a valid solution to replace him, otherwise you get exposed as a whiner just based on principle. I don't mind changing coaches mid-season, but I don't suggest it because I don't see anyone available who would better serve the organization.

And you can't say Berube. That would only accomplish the "new voice" cop-out. That would be a move just to make a move.