Debate over Vaccines

I am a mother of three with one on the way and I have researched my options and as their Mother I feel that it is best for them to be vaccinated.

With that said, if I'm talking to other Moms and tell them this I get dirty looks and lectures about "what is right for my kids." Maybe it's just where I live, but I'm curious what your opinions are...

How many of you vaccinate or plan on vaccinating your children???

I am a mother of three with one on the way and I have researched my options and as their Mother I feel that it is best for them to be vaccinated.

With that said, if I'm talking to other Moms and tell them this I get dirty looks and lectures about "what is right for my kids." Maybe it's just where I live, but I'm curious what your opinions are...

I'm having my son (and any subsequent children) vaccinated on schedule. I've said this before, but I believe vaccination is the most important human advancement since the printing press. The possible side effects of vaccines aren't proven, but the terrible side effects of the diseases vaccines prevent (like sterility from the mumps) are absolutely proven.

I'm having my son (and any subsequent children) vaccinated on schedule. I've said this before, but I believe vaccination is the most important human advancement since the printing press. The possible side effects of vaccines aren't proven, but the terrible side effects of the diseases vaccines prevent (like sterility from the mumps) are absolutely proven.

For me, it's a numbers game, all the way. The chances of know death/lasting injury by vaccine are way lower than the chances of death/lasting injury by a disease the vaccine can prevent. I really should have written the stats down (or just told the library I "lost" the book, paid for it, and kept it). I also haven't found a single credible source that has proven (with other sources or studies in concurrence with it) vaccines, when treated properly, hurt or kill more people than the disease that they prevent. My kids will recieve all their vaccines (even the chicken pox) on schedule. I also don't understand how someone could not vaccinate a kid who doesn't have an immune system problem. Using greeen vaccines, an alternate schedule, that's all good and well. But to not vaccinate and risk exposing not just your own kids, but other kids who are too young to get the vaccine, to any preventable, potentially life-threatening illness is just........I don't get it. It lacks logic.

For me, it's a numbers game, all the way. The chances of know death/lasting injury by vaccine are way lower than the chances of death/lasting injury by a disease the vaccine can prevent. I really should have written the stats down (or just told the library I "lost" the book, paid for it, and kept it). I also haven't found a single credible source that has proven (with other sources or studies in concurrence with it) vaccines, when treated properly, hurt or kill more people than the disease that they prevent. My kids will recieve all their vaccines (even the chicken pox) on schedule. I also don't understand how someone could not vaccinate a kid who doesn't have an immune system problem. Using greeen vaccines, an alternate schedule, that's all good and well. But to not vaccinate and risk exposing not just your own kids, but other kids who are too young to get the vaccine, to any preventable, potentially life-threatening illness is just........I don't get it. It lacks logic.

"I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine." -John Galt's Oath

"Mr. Rearden, if you saw the Atlas, the giant who holds the world on his shoulders, if you saw he stood, blood running down his chest, his knees buckling, his arms trembling but still trying to hold the world aloft with the last of his strength, and the greater his effort, the heavier the world bore down upon his shoulders, what would you tell him to do?"- Fransisco d'Aconia "I.....don't know. What could he do? What would you tell him?" -Hank Rearden "To shrug." -Fransisco d'Aconia

From:
MommaTamz

To: callmegoddess4613

Posted: Jan-15 11:42 AM (4 of 27)

I am pregnant now, but have every intention of vaccinating this baby, and any other babies we may have!

I am pregnant now, but have every intention of vaccinating this baby, and any other babies we may have!

I'm pro-vaccine, to a reasonable extent. I refuse to recieve a vaccine for myself until after my doc runs a titer test to prove that my antibodies to that particular disease are low enough to warrant re-vaccinating. But then again I have reason to believe my immune system likes to over-react to things, so I try not to over-vaccinate.

My kids? They'll receive their vaccines on schedule, but then after the first year they will only get boosters when their immunity is low enough to warrant a booster. If that means sooner than average, then that's fine. If that means later than average, that's fine too.

I'm pro-vaccine, to a reasonable extent. I refuse to recieve a vaccine for myself until after my doc runs a titer test to prove that my antibodies to that particular disease are low enough to warrant re-vaccinating. But then again I have reason to believe my immune system likes to over-react to things, so I try not to over-vaccinate.

My kids? They'll receive their vaccines on schedule, but then after the first year they will only get boosters when their immunity is low enough to warrant a booster. If that means sooner than average, then that's fine. If that means later than average, that's fine too.

The EPA states that formaldehyde at any dosage is a known carcinogen. Most vaccines contain formaldehyde. Other toxins are also cause for concern, including but not limited to heavy metals, preservatives, contaminants (note vaccines that had to be recalled), animal and human (from aborted fetuses) cell lines.If for some unknown reason you don't believe me, get the vaccine inserts to each and every vaccine and research the ingredients. (Start with WI-38)Point 2. Most diseases were already declining rapidly when the vaccine was developed because of hygiene. Polio is passed by the fecal-oral route...which is why developing nations with poor hygiene still have issue with polio.Point 3. Research the VAERS website for the reactions to childhood vaccines. Read actual accounts of serious reactions and side effects. Point 4. Non-vaccinated children are not to blame for outbreaks---fully vaccinated people also can contract the disease and do. Adults don't get boosters and more virulent strains of the disease emerge every year---"old" vaccines don't cover the new strains, (pertussis is an excellent example)Point 5. The best way to protect yourself against disease is to have a strong immune system. For babies, that's breastfeeding. For children and adults that's adequate levels of vitamin D, C and B vitamins. Healthy eating habits and common sense to cleanliness.Point 5. Although not "proven" yet, the number of children with autism in the US is 1 in 110, in the UK it's 1 in 64. Why? I'm not a scientist, but some environmental factor is causing this. Is it vaccines? I hope not, but am not willing to risk it.

I'm SURE I will be burned at the stake here for listing these reasons. I merely provided them as food for thought.I'm on bed rest and about to have twin boys. I'll check back on this thread after their born so I don't get all riled up ;) Gotta rest now!Good luck with your decision. We're all just trying to do our best and I can respect that.

The EPA states that formaldehyde at any dosage is a known carcinogen. Most vaccines contain formaldehyde. Other toxins are also cause for concern, including but not limited to heavy metals, preservatives, contaminants (note vaccines that had to be recalled), animal and human (from aborted fetuses) cell lines.If for some unknown reason you don't believe me, get the vaccine inserts to each and every vaccine and research the ingredients. (Start with WI-38)Point 2. Most diseases were already declining rapidly when the vaccine was developed because of hygiene. Polio is passed by the fecal-oral route...which is why developing nations with poor hygiene still have issue with polio.Point 3. Research the VAERS website for the reactions to childhood vaccines. Read actual accounts of serious reactions and side effects. Point 4. Non-vaccinated children are not to blame for outbreaks---fully vaccinated people also can contract the disease and do. Adults don't get boosters and more virulent strains of the disease emerge every year---"old" vaccines don't cover the new strains, (pertussis is an excellent example)Point 5. The best way to protect yourself against disease is to have a strong immune system. For babies, that's breastfeeding. For children and adults that's adequate levels of vitamin D, C and B vitamins. Healthy eating habits and common sense to cleanliness.Point 5. Although not "proven" yet, the number of children with autism in the US is 1 in 110, in the UK it's 1 in 64. Why? I'm not a scientist, but some environmental factor is causing this. Is it vaccines? I hope not, but am not willing to risk it.

I'm SURE I will be burned at the stake here for listing these reasons. I merely provided them as food for thought.I'm on bed rest and about to have twin boys. I'll check back on this thread after their born so I don't get all riled up ;) Gotta rest now!Good luck with your decision. We're all just trying to do our best and I can respect that.

On the issue of formaldehyde, it is also present in the human body naturally, in a greater amount than that contained in vaccines. The FDA states that "residual quantities of formaldehyde may be found in current vaccines." (emphasis added). It also states that 600 times the amount of formaldehyde found in vaccines have been found to be safe.http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/ucm187810.htmMeasles did not start to decline until the vaccines. Neither did: Pertussis, mumps, or varicella. In fact, my sister was one of the first age groups to recieve the chicken pox vaccine as a standard vaccine. There was never an outbreak in her classes, for kids her age. My brothers, my older sister, and myself all had outbreaks in our schools.Look at the VEARS website......then look at the total amount of those cases vs. the total amount of vaccines. Do the math, find the percentage. Then do the math and find the percentage of death/serious injury do to vaccine-preventable illnesses in the same time-frame. Which munber comes out smaller? Right, the lower the number is that belonging to damage from vaccines.No, non-vaccinated children are not the only cause of the outbreaks....but I am fairly certain they didn't help the situation, and probably made it worse. Expose a hundred vaccinated kids to the disease, less than ten will get it. Expose 100 non-vaccinated kids to the same disease.....how many do you think will get it? Do you realize that the second group has more risk of people dying? The vaccine actually is proven to, if it doesn't prevent the illness, make the illness last a shorter amount of time and be less severe.For those of us who are not blessed with a strong immune system (like me), vaccines go a long way. Eating healthy and being clean are great ways to help prevent diseases, but they are not the only ways. I don't care how much vitamins you pack down, vaccines are a better way to prevent disease. They are another tool for fighting them.Vaccines have never been linked to autism in a study that has been proven to be false. Never. Ever. At all. Period. The ONE study that said it linked the two was admitted to be false, and could never be replicated. It was done by a group who was planning on using the results to sue the pharamcuetical companies, and the results had be faked. They hand-picked their subjects and still had to lie to get the results they wanted. Vaccines do not cause autism.Edited to (hopefully) fix font.

On the issue of formaldehyde, it is also present in the human body naturally, in a greater amount than that contained in vaccines. The FDA states that "residual quantities of formaldehyde may be found in current vaccines." (emphasis added). It also states that 600 times the amount of formaldehyde found in vaccines have been found to be safe.http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/ucm187810.htmMeasles did not start to decline until the vaccines. Neither did: Pertussis, mumps, or varicella. In fact, my sister was one of the first age groups to recieve the chicken pox vaccine as a standard vaccine. There was never an outbreak in her classes, for kids her age. My brothers, my older sister, and myself all had outbreaks in our schools.Look at the VEARS website......then look at the total amount of those cases vs. the total amount of vaccines. Do the math, find the percentage. Then do the math and find the percentage of death/serious injury do to vaccine-preventable illnesses in the same time-frame. Which munber comes out smaller? Right, the lower the number is that belonging to damage from vaccines.No, non-vaccinated children are not the only cause of the outbreaks....but I am fairly certain they didn't help the situation, and probably made it worse. Expose a hundred vaccinated kids to the disease, less than ten will get it. Expose 100 non-vaccinated kids to the same disease.....how many do you think will get it? Do you realize that the second group has more risk of people dying? The vaccine actually is proven to, if it doesn't prevent the illness, make the illness last a shorter amount of time and be less severe.For those of us who are not blessed with a strong immune system (like me), vaccines go a long way. Eating healthy and being clean are great ways to help prevent diseases, but they are not the only ways. I don't care how much vitamins you pack down, vaccines are a better way to prevent disease. They are another tool for fighting them.Vaccines have never been linked to autism in a study that has been proven to be false. Never. Ever. At all. Period. The ONE study that said it linked the two was admitted to be false, and could never be replicated. It was done by a group who was planning on using the results to sue the pharamcuetical companies, and the results had be faked. They hand-picked their subjects and still had to lie to get the results they wanted. Vaccines do not cause autism.Edited to (hopefully) fix font.

"I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine." -John Galt's Oath

"Mr. Rearden, if you saw the Atlas, the giant who holds the world on his shoulders, if you saw he stood, blood running down his chest, his knees buckling, his arms trembling but still trying to hold the world aloft with the last of his strength, and the greater his effort, the heavier the world bore down upon his shoulders, what would you tell him to do?"- Fransisco d'Aconia "I.....don't know. What could he do? What would you tell him?" -Hank Rearden "To shrug." -Fransisco d'Aconia

From:
AnalyticalGenius

To: bagshawmama

Posted: Jan-15 02:03 PM (9 of 27)

All 5 of my kids have been vaccinated according to schedule, with the exception of Gardisil for the girls. I didn't give it to them because too many females in our family had bad reactions.

All 5 of my kids have been vaccinated according to schedule, with the exception of Gardisil for the girls. I didn't give it to them because too many females in our family had bad reactions.

If you drink aspartame (sugar substitute common in diet soft drinks) it turns into formaldehyde in the body. You are exposed to formaldehyde in many plastics.

Dr Sears has a book called the vaccine book. In it he explains the contents of the vaccines and describes an alternate schedule.

My concern with the aap vaccine schedule is the number of antigens the 2 month old is exposed to. For my dd it was supposed to be 8 different diseases in one day! Too much! I spread out the vaccines. It's inconvenient for me, but my baby is safe all the way around.

If you drink aspartame (sugar substitute common in diet soft drinks) it turns into formaldehyde in the body. You are exposed to formaldehyde in many plastics.

Dr Sears has a book called the vaccine book. In it he explains the contents of the vaccines and describes an alternate schedule.

My concern with the aap vaccine schedule is the number of antigens the 2 month old is exposed to. For my dd it was supposed to be 8 different diseases in one day! Too much! I spread out the vaccines. It's inconvenient for me, but my baby is safe all the way around.

Congrats on your babies, and you are right on. But on this subject it doesn't matter what you show, it's an endless battle. I'm glad you are doing the right thing for your children and what you believe to be best regardless of strangers input. Their sources are not biased or anything, ha ha.

Congrats on your babies, and you are right on. But on this subject it doesn't matter what you show, it's an endless battle. I'm glad you are doing the right thing for your children and what you believe to be best regardless of strangers input. Their sources are not biased or anything, ha ha.

I don't ever and have never consumed aspartame. And have been mostly successful in eliminating high fructose corn syrup. I'm a bit of a health nut, so you won't get me in food additives either. I'm not condemning Antibes choice in vaccinating, delaying or not vaccinating. This is just the route I've taken and have enumerated some of the reasons why. And I firmly believe that one day there will be an uncovering of the truth about the safety and efficacy of today's vaccines. Mark my words, they will all be replaced due to a health hazard the pharmaceutical companies have exposed us to.I really could go on and on, as it has been my mission to understand what is going on, but it's more important for us to research this ourselves, because I'm never going to convince anyone on an internet forum. Especially one that has a majority of pro-vaxers.

I don't ever and have never consumed aspartame. And have been mostly successful in eliminating high fructose corn syrup. I'm a bit of a health nut, so you won't get me in food additives either. I'm not condemning Antibes choice in vaccinating, delaying or not vaccinating. This is just the route I've taken and have enumerated some of the reasons why. And I firmly believe that one day there will be an uncovering of the truth about the safety and efficacy of today's vaccines. Mark my words, they will all be replaced due to a health hazard the pharmaceutical companies have exposed us to.I really could go on and on, as it has been my mission to understand what is going on, but it's more important for us to research this ourselves, because I'm never going to convince anyone on an internet forum. Especially one that has a majority of pro-vaxers.

As a unvaccinated adult with unvaccinated child, I must say I'm with you on this. P.S. How many thread of this nature must there be?Do the research yourself and make a decision that fits your family's lifestyle.

As a unvaccinated adult with unvaccinated child, I must say I'm with you on this. P.S. How many thread of this nature must there be?Do the research yourself and make a decision that fits your family's lifestyle.

Just in case anyone is wondering: Yes I have researched, yes I know what is right for my kids, I dont care if I am selfish, no we dont eat processed food, yes we have all natural cleaning and body products in my house, no it isnt coming through my water because my home has it's own purficiation system, yes my kids can and will go to public school, if you dont want me around your kids I dont want my kids around you, all my IRL friends know my decision and support my decision, yes my doc supports and is on board with our plan.

We do some, we dont do others.

Just in case anyone is wondering: Yes I have researched, yes I know what is right for my kids, I dont care if I am selfish, no we dont eat processed food, yes we have all natural cleaning and body products in my house, no it isnt coming through my water because my home has it's own purficiation system, yes my kids can and will go to public school, if you dont want me around your kids I dont want my kids around you, all my IRL friends know my decision and support my decision, yes my doc supports and is on board with our plan.

All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.Thomas Jefferson

From:
felixthenat

To: MidnightRider

Posted: Jan-15 04:02 PM (16 of 27)

Just to make sure I am understanding you, you will have their blood drawn after a year old to test levels? I can't remember if you have children yet, but have you ever had to endure watching an infant's/toddler's blood drawn? It is the most heartwrenching thing i have seen (we had to have it done for Henry to test his lead levels).

I understand your reasoning, actually. I just don't think I could stand to see my toddlers go through that every time they were due a booster!

Just to make sure I am understanding you, you will have their blood drawn after a year old to test levels? I can't remember if you have children yet, but have you ever had to endure watching an infant's/toddler's blood drawn? It is the most heartwrenching thing i have seen (we had to have it done for Henry to test his lead levels).

I understand your reasoning, actually. I just don't think I could stand to see my toddlers go through that every time they were due a booster!

Natalie, proud Mommy to Henry (born 12/26/08) and Madeleine (born 5/25/11).

From:
MidnightRider

To: felixthenat

Posted: Jan-15 05:46 PM (17 of 27)

You're right- I don't have kids yet and it's entirely possible that exactly what you're listing may change my mind. To me the default will be to continue to vaccinate on schedule but if I can I prefer to vaccinate only when needed.

You're right- I don't have kids yet and it's entirely possible that exactly what you're listing may change my mind. To me the default will be to continue to vaccinate on schedule but if I can I prefer to vaccinate only when needed.

You are right, definitely not going to convince me of anything especially since you mentioned autism and vaccines

Point 5. Although not"proven"yet, the number of children with autism in the US is 1 in 110, in the UK it's 1 in 64. Why? I'm not a scientist, but some environmental factor is causing this. Is it vaccines? I hope not, but am not willing to risk it.

You are right, definitely not going to convince me of anything especially since you mentioned autism and vaccines

Point 5. Although not"proven"yet, the number of children with autism in the US is 1 in 110, in the UK it's 1 in 64. Why? I'm not a scientist, but some environmental factor is causing this. Is it vaccines? I hope not, but am not willing to risk it.

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