LittleMe wrote on Jun 18, 2013, 14:49:RollinThundr's comment didn't read as a strawman argument to me. On the contrary your post reads like meaningless nonsense, because that's exactly what both parties are endorsing whole heartedly.

I would agree with the idea that there are those in government that have totalitarian leanings, and that there are people in this country who support that, but I'd also counter that they are both the minority in government, and among the populace. I do not currently believe that the majority of Americans want a totalitarian regime, nor do I believe, or have I seen any evidence that many politicians on either side, do not support most of the principals in the Constitution. It's certainly not part of either party's platform.

Also, neither of you still have yet to address the issue originally being discussed.

What disconnect is that? That government is far bigger and bloated than it should be? That's reality pal.

It's funny how many people you hear talk about we should take care of US, rather than give billions to other countries, that we should secure our borders, among many other things.

Yet we have morons like you and beamer who want nothing more than government to hand hold people through their entire lives. Dictate to them what they can and can't do, eat, drink etc.

It's truly sad to see how many indoctrinated idiots there are these days that think government needs to be this huge overseeing entity and that people aren't capable of doing things on their own.