I like the sentiment but it wouldn't work. Not everybody serves their country by stagging on! And i think we are a richer country for having it this way. If all the chavs joined the military then it would become "over chav'd" and at some point they will infect the highe echelons! At this point, its not long before berets are replaced with caps and instead of yes sir, you get "ohmygodinnit".

I would like to see it harder to get benifits, and if you can't get a job, then you do community service to get a basic benifit package!

I like the sentiment but it wouldn't work. Not everybody serves their country by stagging on! And i think we are a richer country for having it this way. If all the chavs joined the military then it would become "over chav'd" and at some point they will infect the highe echelons! At this point, its not long before berets are replaced with caps and instead of yes sir, you get "ohmygodinnit".

I would like to see it harder to get benifits, and if you can't get a job, then you do community service to get a basic benifit package!

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The chavs wouldn't have to join the army, it's not compulsory, it would just mean that they can't get the right to vote or to get certain job or go to uni etc.

I like the sentiment but it wouldn't work. Not everybody serves their country by stagging on! And i think we are a richer country for having it this way. If all the chavs joined the military then it would become "over chav'd" and at some point they will infect the highe echelons! At this point, its not long before berets are replaced with caps and instead of yes sir, you get "ohmygodinnit".

I would like to see it harder to get benifits, and if you can't get a job, then you do community service to get a basic benifit package!

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The chavs wouldn't have to join the army, it's not compulsory, it would just mean that they can't get the right to vote or to get certain job or go to uni etc.

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from most of the election results, they don't know how to vote anyway! they don't realise why they should.

Dangerous stuff - you are proposing a two-tier system in which the State expects service in some form to achieve the elevated status of 'citizen' and a raft of benefits that come with it. As a result a fresh underclass is created with the State imposing limits on the aspirations and potential of those who wouldn't or couldn't serve.

Might look alright on paper but even NL should blanch at this one. I always took Starship Troopers to be something of a pisstake?

Dangerous stuff - you are proposing a two-tier system in which the State expects service in some form to achieve the elevated status of 'citizen' and a raft of benefits that come with it. As a result a fresh underclass is created with the State imposing limits on the aspirations and potential of those who wouldn't or couldn't serve.

Might look alright on paper but even NL should blanch at this one. I always took Starship Troopers to be something of a pisstake?

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And the premise that military service is the only kind of contribution that one can make to the state is clearly rubbish - this country would collapse without an army of people workig in the commercial world.

Dangerous stuff - you are proposing a two-tier system in which the State expects service in some form to achieve the elevated status of 'citizen' and a raft of benefits that come with it. As a result a fresh underclass is created with the State imposing limits on the aspirations and potential of those who wouldn't or couldn't serve.

Might look alright on paper but even NL should blanch at this one. I always took Starship Troopers to be something of a pisstake?

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And the premise that military service is the only kind of contribution that one can make to the state is clearly rubbish - this country would collapse without an army of people workig in the commercial world.

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I'm sure there would be plently of people who would chose not to serve, or who after serveing would join the commertial market and could do those jobs.

Dangerous stuff - you are proposing a two-tier system in which the State expects service in some form to achieve the elevated status of 'citizen' and a raft of benefits that come with it. As a result a fresh underclass is created with the State imposing limits on the aspirations and potential of those who wouldn't or couldn't serve.

Might look alright on paper but even NL should blanch at this one. I always took Starship Troopers to be something of a pisstake?

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And the premise that military service is the only kind of contribution that one can make to the state is clearly rubbish - this country would collapse without an army of people workig in the commercial world.

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I'm sure there would be plently of people who would chose not to serve, or who after serveing would join the commertial market and could do those jobs.

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Yes, but why should those who have never served not be entitled to the same rights as those who have? The only conceivable reason is that military service is somehow more 'important' than working in the civilian world, which as I have said, is rubbish. The country could not do without either.

edit: And why retrict access to being doctors? the country needs all the brilliant mind it can get and would do itself no good to start limiting the potential of its citizens.

Another issue: this looks like a way of securing representation for the armed forces among society's 'elite'. Why should the armed forces get that priviiedge. Why not Nursing, or Policing or Fire-fighting or .... etc etc

Sorry - typing without the aid of my left index finger - so spelling is abysmal.