April 1, 2011

One ... incident took pace in October last year when a group of Delta Kappa Epsilon fraternity pledges were surrounded by brothers from the same fraternity who chanted: 'No means yes! Yes means anal' at them in an area where most female freshman live.

In another incident, in September 2009, the so-called 'pre-season scouting report' was issued via email in which a group of male students circulated a list of 53 female students ranking them in order of how many beers they would have to have before they slept with them....

And on January 2008, a group of pledges from the Zeta Psi fraternity surrounded the entrance to the Yale Women's Centre at midnight holding signs saying, 'We Love Yale Sluts'.

It is argued that this behaviour limited women's equal access to educational opportunities at the university and that there were 'inadequate responses' to the sexual misconduct.

Yeah, "behaviour." It's the British press reporting this. The Daily Mail... where, by the way, the sidebar is sexually harassing me.

Funny, I only dimly remember the presence of "Greek" fraternities at Yale. They were definitely marginal organizations. Everyone I knew was involved in secret... I mean senior societies, whose members were much more interested in being naked with each other than passing around lists.

The Yale Women's Center was an unkempt doorway with a dirty threshold and a poorly-painted door, hung with construction paper signs, which I remember, perhaps erroneously, being next door to Durfee's Sweets Shop. Sweets and sours, next-door neighbors.

It's understanding the modern version of game. Reading the blog, Citizen Renegade will provide insight as to where they are coming from. There you can learn about alpha, beta and gamma males; Sluts and the alpha male cock carousel; and why sluts can do oral/anal and still yet claim virginity. http://roissy.wordpress.com/

So why don't the girls just circulate a list of the frat guys who don't perform well, who arrive a little early, or who are so modestly endowed that you don't feel them?

I seem to recall some scorned ex-girfriend who started up a website that allowed other scorned girls post less than admirable comments about their ex-boyfriends. I thought there was some brouha about how it and don't know if it was ever taken down.

But suffice to say MadMan, don't kid yourself that the ladies don't share that kind of info among themselves.

People who try to stop 18 year old boys from being borish always just look stupid themselves. Like the people in my school who did the "take back the night" march every year to the "shoe tree" (iirc, each shoe represented some girl two frat guys had slept with or some such nonsense).

I postulate that love is an act that requires self discipline. Then these monsters are bragging that they love no one, which sounds like self murder to me. But maybe traditional values are not for monsters.

Frat boys should be ID'd by the authori-tays as they do gang members, put on a cop database. Ah Biff belonged to the Epsilon Sigma Gammas. And purged from the workforce, retroactively. Thousands of US execs terminated, for membership in racist and sexist secret societies .

May Bee,Yale takes Government grants and subsidies for a number of purposes - in fact they don't even have to do that, the courts have held that their students have Government grants will suffice, even if the college objects to their taking them - and the Government thinks that is sufficient reason for them to interfere with even the smallest details of the college administration.

Yeah, but that pesky First Amendment makes it problematic for the govt to openly require Yale to censor frat boy speech. It will be more subtle--"nice little grant you've got there--it'd be a shame if something happened to it...."

Let me put it to ya this way (paraphrasing the legendary Walt Becker): if it looks/acts/walks/smells like the Klan, it probably izz. That's the case with US frat houses (regardless of their ethnic make up).

Not that they haven't been throwing around brain-dead KKK slurs for decades now, but in the last few weeks of my wasting time online, progresso-tards have been leaping right out of the gate with the Klan merde, before a thread has even had time to degenerate in the standard fashion.

Could be that this increased "klan-ishness" is just random, and only seems to have reached saturation level of late. Or maybe they're getting frustrated that "racist" isn't functioning so well as a STFU tactic anymore: ("Screaming 'racist' is all we know how to do, and it's just not working anymore!")

From what I can see (I'm only reading your post) that's one stupid incident per year - hardly a problem that keeps anyone from learning or worth an investigation. Here, let me sum it up for you:

You kids are immature and stupid.

And that's not to be translated as "boys will be boys". I'm sure women at Yale do stupid shit, too, but the guys aren't supposedly-strong-feminists who go whining to their superiors for new rules and laws over any perceived slight. Fuck them. I'm with MadisonMan:

So why don't the girls just circulate a list of the frat guys who don't perform well, who arrive a little early, or who are so modestly endowed that you don't feel them?

Who knew being free from the Boorish Behavior of FratBoys was a Civil Right!

Naw, the only civil right they know is the one that says having ovaries means you deserve special protections and privileges.

I think that this is when you know that our government has much too much of our money to spend.

My guess is that investigation this is being run by some GDIs who were blackballed when they were undergrads, and likely for good reason.

Of course, fraternities are sexist. And, sororities are just as sexist. And, yes, you are going to get boorish behavior out of 19 year old males - guaranteed. But a federal investigation of typical 19-20 year old male behavior? Come on.

And, the idea that fraternities and sororities are racist is about 45 year out of date. My house started allowing Jews to join around 1960, and by the time I got there late in the decade, it was about 1/4 Jewish. We bid on Blacks without any resistance from the national fraternity, but did run into problems for a bit with an Asian. And Hispanics were not an issue either. And, within a couple of years of that - by the mid-1970s, the fraternities and sororities were already working for affirmative action (actively recruiting (most) minorities based on their being minorities (gays were not included there, and gays who joined stayed in the closet because the last thing that a house wanted was to be known as a gay house).

My kid joined a house recently, and I was surprised to discover that they too went through the same integration in the mid to late 1960s as the fraternities and sororities did where I went to college. One sorority at my kid's school quit its national organization over it wanting to admit a Black, and they are still independent today as a result.

So, not surprisingly, J does what he always does - looking ignorant and uninformed, parroting talking points from some fetid libtard swamp.

The woman (and female moderator) were complaining that young women felt all this pressure to put out for one night stands. The guy just laughed at them and said don't look for dates in bars and frat parties.

And USC? Somme commenter at teh Daily Msil was calling the fraternity boy because they have sex in the roof. The woman went there voluntarily but nobody has a problem with her.Only one photo shows her naked. All other are of himSo why don't the girls just circulate a list of the frat guys who donThat already happened , was her thesis at some IVY league. schoool . It was news last year

I earned my undergrad degree at Yale, and I'm typing this from a seat at the Yale medical campus. I have never been at a mainstream institution more hostile to males than Yale College, and my career has taken me to a few other top tier universities. Yale's males are demonized as potential rapists in countless "orientation" sessions, classrooms, and sensitivity programs from the moment they matriculate until the moment they graduate. It is little wonder that the university is struggling to recruit classes with some semblance of gender-balance. Even fields traditionally dominated by males (like sci/tech), are dealing with a noticeable deficit in the number of male applicants and in the yield of students who actually decide to matriculate. (For the record, I think that gender balance is a very good thing.)

I abhor the repugnant behavior displayed by the frat boys in question, but people who truly are concerned with the creation of hostile environments might wish to consider the likely responses of at least some young males when they are subjected to a chronic, social presumption of guilt.

people who truly are concerned with the creation of hostile environments might wish to consider the likely responses of at least some young males when they are subjected to a chronic, social presumption of guilt.

She/they were asking for it!No, that's not what I said at all, but it doesn't surprise me that someone might desire to interpret it that way. It's impossible to take courses in the humanities and social sciences at Yale without hearing about how people's behaviors are powerfully influenced, if not dictated, by oppressive, societal norms and structures. Does that type of sociological analysis not apply to male college students? When everyone is a "reactionary," why is it hard to apply that label to a group that may actually be exhibiting reactionary behavior?

My point was that the act of enforcing certain, well-meaning (or not) policies that impact a particular group might have unintended consequences. Those who advocate for such policies should be cognizant of whether their favored policies are having their intended effect, or if, much to everyone's surprise, those policies might be having the opposite of the intended effect. All I'm asking for is a little intellectual consistency.

Don't you guys get it yet? Where ever women are present, only what they think is proper conduct is what everyone is going to be allowed to do or say.

Free speech? Nope. Not if it doesn't pass the gyno-test for being inoffensive to any woman anywhere, unless its a woman saying it.

Thats why women can show cleavage and leg and bat their eyes and use their sexuality to manipulate at work but a pin-up calendar of swimsuit models in some poor schlubs cubicle is offensive and sexual harrasment.

Not being content at running their husbands/boyfreinds lives, they have used their vaginas to pussy-whip the law into enforcing their whims on everyone around them whereever they are. The end result is represented by the article posted here by AA.