Re: Do you think it's alright to push through the crowd to get good seats?

This is why I like standing near the back. As long as I can still see the stage and hear the music, I'll be content. I've been to many shows in my younger years where the only view I had was the sweaty back of some dude, or the mop on some chic's head. I'm only 5'2" on a good day.

Even if I was against the rail, I'd still be pushed off by some douchebag. I guess that comes with the territory of going to punk shows.

Re: Do you think it's alright to push through the crowd to get good seats?

I think there are good ways to do this and bad ways to do this. The bad ways usually involve entitled-acting drunk girls who have never been told "no" about anything (or similar guys, I suppose). The good ways are very hard to define, and if you don't know which one you're doing, you should probably just stop. Personally I don't see a problem with filling space, but you also have to know when it's time to stop and accept that you're as close as you'll get.
The same rules, in reverse, apply to reacting to people who are pushing ahead. Don't be a douchebag who intentionally blocks people to mete out whatever weird sense of justice you think you deserve to enforce. In ever crowd, people try to get the best view they can. If nobody is stepping on your toes or elbowing your girl, chill the fuck out.

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Re: Do you think it's alright to push through the crowd to get good seats?

Like others have pointed out - it's okay to move up as people shift and pockets of space become available. The poll, which I appreciate, doesn't take into account if the crowd is Pixies packed or Pavement packed. I think the Golden Rule applies here; if you wouldn't be okay with the way you treated someone if the roles were reversed then don't treat anyone that way.

At 6' I always let polite people who can't see around me to pass by as long as they are passing by to get a view of the stage. I let the not so polite peeps to do the same but being honest it does get to me sometimes - plan better next time.

Re: Do you think it's alright to push through the crowd to get good seats?

Originally Posted by involvelemons

I think there are good ways to do this and bad ways to do this. The bad ways usually involve entitled-acting drunk girls who have never been told "no" about anything (or similar guys, I suppose). The good ways are very hard to define, and if you don't know which one you're doing, you should probably just stop. Personally I don't see a problem with filling space, but you also have to know when it's time to stop and accept that you're as close as you'll get.
The same rules, in reverse, apply to reacting to people who are pushing ahead. Don't be a douchebag who intentionally blocks people to mete out whatever weird sense of justice you think you deserve to enforce. In ever crowd, people try to get the best view they can. If nobody is stepping on your toes or elbowing your girl, chill the fuck out.

Agreed. I had a guy try to box me out before Jay-Z in 2010, when everyone was still seated at Main Stage (making it near impossible to move anywhere). Keep in mind this is not even close to the stage, more near the soundbooth.

I saw my friends about 8 feet up, just trying to reach them, and this late-20s early-30s douche looked over at his friend,smirked, and tried to box us out (as we said excuse me). Pushed him the fuck out of the way, he got all butt-hurt, tried to start some shit, but it was just ridiculous... Show hadn't even started, I'm courteously saying excuse me to reach my group of friends...

I always let people in and out when they need to go. But if you're a bitch about it (ie: physically push without regard for anyone in your path) I will definitely give you a trip or a push as you go by. My girl might elbow you in the rib. That's the just the way it is.

Re: Do you think it's alright to push through the crowd to get good seats?

i once had a guy push through and say "sorry i see my girlfriend making out with another dude" and push by me all the while i'm feeling sorry for him and then i watch him get to the front and just start dancing. This really pissed me off. I don't usually go to the front because i like room to dance but really?? You knew what you were doing was wrong so you said that to make sure people get out of your way??? The only time it is ok to push to the front is if you had been waiting there and went to the bathroom and were trying to get back to your friends. Thats it.

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I used to be super-nice and let people through all the time. After countless times having people stop right in front of me or actually push me back, I've become much more cautious. If I can see enough open space for them *and all thier friends* to occupy comfortably, I'll let them though if they're nice about it. If they just try to push through or there isn't room, my arms become rocks and they WILL NOT PASS. I'm fortunate to be strong enough that very few people would be able to push me out of the way. They usually just try to find an alternate path after complaining or looking sulky.

Now if there is enough room to just go around me, that's fine: I weave around people myself. But if you bash right into me, you're doing it wrong. I don't care how large or small or drunk or how hard you are rolling: you cannot be a human cannonball. I used to think it just came with the scene, but I'm spoiled by events like Burning Man and Priceless where people aren't duchebags. I just don't put up with it anymore. Someone has to tell them that they're acting like duchebags, because thier mothers and fathers clearly didn't.

The above applies to EDM and most rock concerts/festivals/clubs. Moshpits and metal concerts are a different matter entirely, of course.

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I shouldn't be telling anybody my secret but here it goes. The easiest way to get by people in a packed crowd is to take off your shirt and point your shoulder straight towards the stage. Face 90 degrees away from the stage. As time goes by you'll see that as people try to push towards the front, you'll slither your way forward to the stage. It takes time and patience but it works so well. I did this perfectly well to get to the front row for Arcade Fire after starting about mid crowd.

remember, as you pass by be nice and courteous to everybody you pass by.

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There was this group of 3 that "squeezed" in front of me during FlyLo this year. 2 men and 1 woman, all at least 6' tall. I'm only 5'2".
They stood side-by-side blocking the view of the stage and ALL visual screens for me. I was pretty peeved.

Re: Do you think it's alright to push through the crowd to get good seats?

I started out behind the center speaker stacks behind the sound booth of the main stage for Snoop the first weekend, and decided shortly after the set started that maybe I should head towards the sidelines to avoid being caught in the middle of the on-growing crowd. I don't know how many, "excuse me's, sorry's, and pardon me's" I said, but one thing seemed certain...there was never a sideline to be found until after the set!

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Re: Do you think it's alright to push through the crowd to get good seats?

I prefer to hang mid-to-the-back of a crowd anyway, as I like a bit of space, and I find it's just so much more enjoyable and relaxed (not to mention better sound) from that part of the crowd. Generally I don't have any issues with people moving forward toward the front. There's always plenty of space where I am so it doesn't affect me.

Sometimes though, it does get crowded where I am and despite not being squashed like a sardine, there is no space for another human being to move into. When we get to that stage I still allow polite people to slither forwards into those random pockets of space.

Bloody hell though, if I let you past me and you then stand directly in front of me, forcing me back in the process, then I'm firmly telling you "no you can't stand there", whilst still remaining pleasant.

I'm 6'3" and a lean 200 with a voice not too dissimilar to Jason Statham. People generally apologise or move straight away, recognising they've just made a douchey move.

Re: Do you think it's alright to push through the crowd to get good seats?

Originally Posted by Drinkey McDrinkerstein

If there are visibly pockets of space in the crowd and I think someone could easily manage to sift through, I will happily let them through. If it is already fucking packed, and you literally have to SQUEEZE through, then I am standing like a fucking wall and you are not getting by.

I have been standing here for 20 minutes...sorry you're late and rude. Stand behind my tall body and shut the fuck up.