Seems to me like the usual rhetoric. Russia is always prepared to have "warmer ties" with the next administration. But a month after inauguration,
Russia is Russia and America is America. No new alliances, no new behavior. Nothing changes with the president's as far as the Kremlin is concerned.

a reply to: introvert
Meh... The US and NATO gave assurances to Russia during the reunification of Germany that the alliance would not spread one inch eastward. Now NATO is
on Russia's border. I say to hell with NATO. We will not go to war over Lithuania or other Baltic states.

Well the story is from CNN, so there is probably a lot of details left out of it, and probably some twists put into it.

I don't think the source I chose to link to is important whatsoever.

This is a real event that we must keep an eye on.

Actually the source is definitely important. CNN likes to leave out convenient details to make mountains out of molehills for what it's
worth.

It's a developing story. Any news outlet at this point will not have all of the details.

I'd like to discuss the topic if you don't mind. If you have an ax to grind about fake news, or some other nonsense, go find a more appropriate
thread.

I wasn't trying to start an arguement, was just simply pointing something out.

So after some looking it seems both sides have violated the treaty. The US' missile defense shield is capable of launching tomahawk cruise missiles
and is deployed in Europe. The US previously got away with tomahawk missile development and testing because they were solely ship based/launched. The
Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System is capable of firing the same
missiles as the Mark 41 Vertical Launching System.

I'm not familiar with past actions similar to this. Is this "common" from time to time or is this the first violation of the treaty?

The olwbear is 100% right. But he also missed something. Yes NATO is provoking with its missle defence for years but the biggest 'crap' is from month
ago when NATO violated the treaties, maybe even not once. The one I remember is the sending of warships in the black sea - which act is ABSURD. It was
pure military tactical offence against Russia which VIOLATED signed contracts and such. Probably in USA nobody cared about this and I doubt CNN
reported it... however if you reach you would find some independend media reporting about it. Thus said, lets remember the history, which learns us
that in the most cases the provocations were US generated. Well known fact.

originally posted by: kosmicjack
I'm concerned about the timing. If the dossier is legit and Flynn is out after negotiating with Russia, could this be an effort to convince Trump to
stick to a deal or else?

That's how spin works. This was an issue in 2008 that went unresolved. Now it's suddenly a big deal because...Trump.

originally posted by: kosmicjack
I'm concerned about the timing. If the dossier is legit and Flynn is out after negotiating with Russia, could this be an effort to convince Trump to
stick to a deal or else?

That is what concerns me as well.

With it now being reported that Russia and the campaign were in contact throughout the campaign, it opens up the possibility that Trump is
compromised.

Well the story is from CNN, so there is probably a lot of details left out of it, and probably some twists put into it.

I don't think the source I chose to link to is important whatsoever.

This is a real event that we must keep an eye on.

Actually the source is definitely important. CNN likes to leave out convenient details to make mountains out of molehills for what it's
worth.

It's a developing story. Any news outlet at this point will not have all of the details.

I'd like to discuss the topic if you don't mind. If you have an ax to grind about fake news, or some other nonsense, go find a more appropriate
thread.

I wasn't trying to start an arguement, was just simply pointing something out.

So after some looking it seems both sides have violated the treaty. The US' missile defense shield is capable of launching tomahawk cruise missiles
and is deployed in Europe. The US previously got away with tomahawk missile development and testing because they were solely ship based/launched. The
Aegis Ballistic Missile Defense System is capable of firing the same
missiles as the Mark 41 Vertical Launching System.

Partisan tit for tat needs to be set aside regarding this Flynn/Trump/Russia thing. Flynn resigning isn't the end of this, it's just the first card to
fall. The GOP and Trump supporters need to see this for the earthquake-sized scandal that it is or risk the midterms.

Partisan tit for tat needs to be set aside regarding this Flynn/Trump/Russia thing. Flynn resigning isn't the end of this, it's just the first card to
fall. The GOP and Trump supporters need to see this for the earthquake-sized scandal that it is or risk the midterms.

Think about it, it's confirmed that it was leaked, so obviously they have the conversations recorded as well. If there actually was anything illegal
done, don't you think Flynn would be under arrest right now? They leaked the fact that he spoke with people from Russia, with absolutely no details,
leaving it completely up to the news to speculate and spin it. If he had violated the Logan act, he would be incarcerated right now.

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