I've been running LMDE w/Sid+MATE, and I must say, it's all running very well.....I'm also running LM 12 Lisa on my other maching, also running MATE & Cinnamon on it.....great stuff....cheers everyone.

eiver wrote:Tracking "Linux Mint LATEST" - because that is the only thing, that supports Compiz - please do not take it away from us.

Ah! Sorry Eiver, but Gnome 2.3 has only a couple weeks life left in LMDE.

Clem says that Update Pack 4 is coming in a couple weeks, and with that comes Gnome 3.2, Shell, Cinnamon, cant use Compiz there.Not sure if MATE will come with the update pack, but if it doesn't, you can add it, and use Compiz.viewtopic.php?f=198&t=87728

Currently I'm using Mint Latest, but I think about switching to Debian testing. I'm wondering what the advantage is when using Mint Latest. Updates last a long time (much more than the promised 1 month cycle). I cannot see any benefit on waiting for mint update packs. I'm still waiting for an update of the cups-filteres package.

Can someone enlighten me? What is the benefit of waiting for update packs? As I understand, this is only a snapshot of debian testing. Is there any development activity (bug fixing) by the Mint developers? What is the cause of this long delay?

Bergschreck wrote:Is there any development activity (bug fixing) by the Mint developers? What is the cause of this long delay?

Yes. Mint devs make sure that there are no breakages before releasing an update pack. Debian prides itself on 'stable' and LMDE is attempting to do the same. Debian is not marketed as bleeding edge although I have added sid repos to grab a fresh package from time to time.

i am currently tracking LM Latest repo, but as soon as Debian Testing is frozen I will change my repos to track Debian Testing (as it will be as stable as latest repo and testing will be much safer - as it will fix the bugs and vulnerabilities quicker than Mint Latest).

I am tracking Testing since 1,5 years.I switched to the update packs for a while,hopped the monthly cycle could be fulfitted.But the long time period between UP3 and UP4brought me back to Testing.I also do not like the idea, having no security updates for several months.I even believe it is less critical to install aboutsome packages per day than several hundrets at once.

Since few days i tracking Testing/sid, because i love fresh chromium and updates is what i like, not in 1 time constantly 1.1gb, thats bloated i like lmde for some reason , lots less bleeding edge give much as possible updates and is much as possible stable.... i dont understand

I now have an old desktop running debian testing with the linux mint and solusos repos, so it has, in some cases, more up-to-date apps than sid. It's running xfce 4.8. My main laptop has Debian Sid Xfce with lots of different sources, here's the list (output of inxi -r):

That dual-boots with an LMDE latest with Cinnamon.Edit: my apt-preferences has everything at 700 except experimental which has a priority of -1 except for icedove* and iceweasel* which have priorities of 900.

ringo32 wrote:Since few days i tracking Testing/sid, because i love fresh chromium and updates is what i like, not in 1 time constantly 1.1gb, thats bloated i like lmde for some reason , lots less bleeding edge give much as possible updates and is much as possible stable.... i dont understand

Debian testing that LMDE is using as its base is in freeze and should become the new stable (Debian sometime around Feb.

Debian packages start in the experimental repo, migrate to Sid and then to testing. With testing in pre-release freeze Sid is pretty much in freeze too. The packages there are ones that are going to migrate to testing as bug fixes.

Debian does not use a date to determine the release. The release date is set by "critical release related" bugs. As of a couple days ago there were 155 release critical bugs left to fix for release to be possible under the Debian release policy.

What this means is that Sid is pretty damned stable right now.

The day Wheezy becomes the "new stable" (Squeeze will then be the "old stable" and supported for another year) Sid will have a HUGE package upgrade and will not be anywhere near as stable as it is now.

Testing will become Jessie and it too will get a Huge package upgrade when Wheezy goes stable. May not be very stable either although I had no trouble with the upgrade from Squeeze (then testing) to Wheezy the day Squeeze went to stable.

Not trying to discourage you in the least from using Sid, I am on Sid right now. Just a heads up that the very moment that Wheezy goes stable you will have a big update/upgrade cycle, similar to an Update Pack upgrade in LMDE. Those packages will be the start of Debian 8 (Jessie). They may or maynot be stable.

I highly recommend installing the package "apt-list bugs" on installs using the Debian testing or Sid repos. It will warn you of KNOWN bugs in packages you upgrade or install. You should keep in mind that you may be the lucky person to discover a new unknown bug. Old testers call that advenure FUN.