Bad blood brewing between cajuns and locals near tensas refuge

Bad relationship growing worse between locals and cajun hunters in and near the tensas refuge in ne la. Growing numbers of bad experiences between local people and groups of unethical hunters elbowing their way in for a shot at a tensas trophy are more and more frequent and sad to say but a large percentage of the bad blood is between locals and cajuns and with the news that several of the trophy deer tsken by our cajun visitors were taken by illegal means the bad blood thickens.

rumors rumors rumors, that is all it is, if there is trouble then it is between legal hunters and outlaws, aint a thing to do with where you are from, you are more likely to be able to get away with something if you are closer to home, i know i am not going up there and risking everything, only thing the locals say about the cajuns is the fact that we go up there and shoot what ever we see, if a trophy walks out then good, but i am hunting backstrap, i will pass on a spike or a small deer if i have killed something already, but if it is legal at the time then a legal kill is a legal kill, if you kill it illegally then you shouldn't be hunting at all, we don't all get to spend as much time in the woods as we want so sometimes we have to take what we can get

You just gotta love how living in an area gives a person a certain sense of entitlement to a piece of PUBLIC ground. We are all Louisiana citizens huh ??... We all pay for that property the same. They are no more entitled to that property than someone coming out of Oklahoma to hunt it. It is a NWR isn't it??...See the 'N' in NWR....That means NATIONAL!!!....... Is it the fact that they were killed illegal or is it the fact that they were killed period and a LOCAL feels they were killed out from under them ( basically stolen from them) ???....Nothing is this world will bring out the UGLY quicker than a BIG deer.

oh and any way the ''outlaw'' is from deridder anyway and deridder is too far north to be considered cajun, deridder is more texan than cajun
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hahaha just joking about the texan thing, you guys from deridder don't need to get mad at me

Yea you just got to love it when people kill out all the game in their area then move on to do the same thing somewhere else. You got to love it when they come in with the attitude that its public property now get out my way i'm coming through. The attitude that public land means everyone BUT the locals and the locals need to stay on their own property seems to be the way it is. No one said anything about legal hunting and if a hunter can get a deer legally i say more power to him but when people come into an area and outlaw hunt the area folks are not going to take kindly to it. I said ther is bad blood between locals and the cajun hunters that have moved in and i'll stand by that statement. I'm not saying its the way it should be but i am saying thats the way it is. I will be glad to explain why i say this but i will run out of space. I am a local and live within arrow shooting distance of public land . I have lived here and owned property here since long before the public land became public so i'm speaking from my own experience not what others say. Every year since the property joining mine became public property its been a constant struggle keeping tresspassers off my property and not all but near 100 percent of my problem has been with people from south louisiana. I have talked with 11 of the area property owners and they ALL said they had the same experience.

Here is an example of local life these days. A man i have known for years has ad permission for him and his son to hunt a small piece of private property in the area. They have hunted this place for years and have a good relationship with the landowner and other landowners on property joing this place. This year the landowner gave a man from south la permission to hunt there too an the guy set up a stand between my friend and his sons stands , spitting distance from them both an began to hunt every day. A few days later there were two guys fron the south hunting every day and within two weeks there were 7 guys from south la hunting on this small property. My friends son said i give up its too crowded for me an quit going and one of the cajuns instantly claimed his spot. The deer left the property because of the hunting pressure but my friend said he wasnt going to be shoved out of the spot he had been hunting for years so he stuck with it until one evening when he returned to his truck after a hunt and the cajuns were waiting for him and wanting to know who he was and why was he hunting in their spot. My friend quit the place then and they instantly took over his stand too. Then they started dropping each other off and poachd on the adjoining property . Now the landowners around the place re having trouble with them and the whole area is ticked off.

A groupe of cajuns went together and bought property joining my place. One of them asked me early on if the local owners were practicing any type of managment an i told him that the rest of us only shot mature bucks and a few does and it seemed to be working. He said thats whst they planned to do but thats not what happened. We were all seeing plenty of deer and were taking some nice bucks every year but that quickly came to an end. The new neighbers thrashed their place , killing every piece of meat that they saw and then lined the property line joining the rest of us , started baiting up real heavy , and shot every deer that crossed the line. Now none of us have anything and they are whining because there are no deer. I have talked to several other locals who have had similar experiences

No doubt not all cajun hunters behave this way but trust me when i say that more than enough of them do act a fool up here to give a bad name to the ones that are doing things the right way and it most definately has caused some bad blood between the two and when they start prowling the area at night and kill illegal deer to take back home and brag about it just makes it worse. It just throws fuel on an already hot fire when someone defends this type behavior and implies that locals are ticked just because the deer they kill illegally are big. We dont like the outlaw trash no matter what the size the deer you kill that way is bra.

i understand you now Carl, i am not one of those people and i don't ''know'' anyone who does that, i for one can not afford property that is for sale or lease up there, that is why i hunt public land up there and down here, and it ticks me off just like i am sure it ticks off every other legal and ethical hunter when some one is blatantly breaking the laws, we have issues like that here, i had a lease here in almost south louisiana and had problems with locals hunting my area and stealing my stuff so i can sympathize with you, NOT ALL HUNTERS ARE CREATED EQUALLY

Carlez - What if someone moves from 'up there' to 'down here' and then returns to hunt 'up there.' Are they Cajun? What if I live down here but have ZERO Cajun blood in my veins. Am I Cajun??
I understand though. It is ONLY Cajuns that hunt like this or break the law. People above the imaginary line NEVER do anything wrong and NEVER shoot deer for meat. Just like people from 'up there' never come 'down here' to catch and rape the saltwater species of fish.......

I am glad you asked widowmaker. When i heard of somebody doing the junk i would tell them to straighten up and that they are making it bad for everyone concerned. I havnt heard anyone say one word against people coming up here an hunting fair and square . The fussing is about out law hunting , messing around with the private property, and generally speaking just being a butt. I can tell by what you and the guy with the crack about the tears have said that neither of you would dare do any of the crap that i've been talking about but what i would suggest is instead of taking up for those who do that kind of stuff just tell them they need to straighten up and hunt right.

I'm just curious but where is the 'Cajun Mason Dixon' line? ha ha. Those type of people of which you complain of exist everywhere. Here is one for you.

On our private family property we have been having trouble with a well to do guy from outside of 'Cajun Country' i.e. northern Louisiana, who is related to a neighbor and repeatedly trespasses and kills game. The guy owns a helicopter and plane so he routinely checks the place out before he goes hunting. We have caught him multiple times and he has been cited for it by local authorities. Worse, he religiously goes by the code 'if it flies it dies and if it is brown it is down.' (don't get me wrong I hunt for meat and at times go by this philosophy if in need) He is currently being investigated for his latest excursions through our property and another's to hunt ducks. You would think such a wealthy guy could afford to get his own land to hunt as he pleases. I could talk about him and his family for days about the problems we have had with them, but all that is unnecessary to prove my simple point. These people are everywhere so I would be careful to single out a entire group for the few bad apples otherwise 'the South will rise again' ha ha ha I'm sorry I could not help myself people please do not get offended by any of this.

Sure wish the Admiral was doing well so he could weigh in on this most interesting topic.

P.S. Just curious, did your friend who was hunting the other guys property with permission ever bring the conduct of the 'Cajuns' to the landowner's attention?

Thats a good point logic. The ony answer must be this- -- not ALL cajuns act that way and the ones who come up here and act right MUST be rednecks that moved south and just came back home to hunt???? Just making a joke with that one. I am talking about people acting a fool and not the ones that are doing right. Maby i'm wrong to assume that just because about 9 out of 10 of the locals problem hunters turn out to be from south louisiana means that they are all that way. And how fishing got into this ??

well speaking of outlaws, I believe there is a group of bowhunters from Tensas NWR and live in that area that always talk the talk about how trophy management is needed blah blah blah, and how rifle hunters are bad blah blah blah and several in the group got busted for hunting over bait in a restricted area and night hunting. One even got busted for shooting two bucks in a day...wait for it wait for it...with a rifle! Both were little bucks as well haha! Are these Franklin Parish folk cajun?!

Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries (LDWF) Enforcement Division agent and U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS) officers cited Winnsboro men for allegedly violating multiple regulations on the Tensas River National Wildlife Refuge on Nov. 6.

A LDWF agent and USFWS officers cited Carl Williams, 31, James Fortenberry, 47, and Jonathan Thomas, 32, hunting over a baited area, leaving deer stands unattended and cutting limbs or trees on a federal refuge. Thomas and Williams were also cited for using remote trail cameras on a refuge. Williams was additionally cited for using archery equipment with illegal electronic sights.

LDWF agents had observed the men placing their bait and having their stands and cameras out since early October. On the opening morning of the Tensas Refuge’s archery deer season, Nov. 6, USFWS officers and LDWF agents set up surveillance on the three baited stand locations. The officers and agent apprehended all three subjects shortly after daylight.

You are right back at ya and i sympathize with you about your problem hunter. I hope yall can get this dude and stck it to him to the max. Maby all the legal hunters should declare war on the illegal hunters no mater where they are from. I appologize to ALL the legal cajuns and i stick with what i've said about the trouble makers

We always hear about the bad news and not so much of the good news, so it seems easy to understand how you only hear of the bad Cajun hunters and understandingly assume that all are bad, but rarely hear about the good guys. I once asked a great teacher of mine a question during a test and within my question I said '...assuming that...', and she quickly replied 'You can assume what you want, I'll just give you an F!' Moral of the story, assumptions are not that reliable otherwise you wouldn't be assuming but merely stating fact.

And y'all quit giving the state new licensing ideas ha hahahahahahahahaha

Nope SBLeadhead my friend didnt say anything about it to the landowner . He packed up his stuff and left it with them and he and his son called it a season. BUT the other landowners did say something to him about it after a number of tresspassing tickets were handed out the land owner cleaned house. Now only his family and friends will hunt that property.

If you should be mad at any one , it seems to me it should be your good friend that allowed the bunch you despise access to 'your self proclaimed ' honey hole . ------ We live in different times . It ain't like it use to be . Your beating a horse that ain't going to die no matter how hard you beat it . If you did rid yourself of the alleged outlaws that have you ticked off now then it will just make room for the next bunch . Suck it up cause it is not going to get any better , in fact , prepare yourself as I'd predict it is going to get a LOT worst as population grows , morals fade with this next generation and available land to hunt shrinks

Fishhfiles i got no reason to be mad at my friend. Maby you missread what i said. My friend didnt invite anyone anywhere and i dont hunt on that property at all. I havn't proclaimed any place as my private honey hole but since you mentioned it i think i might do just that because i like the way that sounds. I hunt on my own property that i worked and sweated for and i couldnt care less if people hunt on the refuge . My problem starts when people treat mine and my neighbors land as if it too is public property. I do agree with you that things will only get worse because many hunters treat public hunting land like it were a welfare system for hunters and wheather you believe it or not if you own property in the area of public ground you will have a percentage of the people hunting it who arnt going to be satisfied with the public land and they will prowl the adjoining private property to see what it has to offer. It has the same effect as if the government put in a low income housing project joining your back yard. Some good respectfull people will live there butt in time the bad bunch will take over and your back yard will be no differant than the projects. One day you will look out and some stranger will be swinging in yourswing , grilling on your grill , and throwing trash in your yard and you cant say a thing about it because you are outnumbered and some bunch will say that those people have a rightt to grill and swing too and you are a &$?//;@ for saying anything about it............ And they will take your water hose too.

Excuse me , I took it that the landowner who gave permission to both your friend and a South La Guy was also a friend of yours ...... any way , I seen issues like that before , somebody has land to hunt and his friends and relatives hunt it for free for years , then when the guy sells the rights to hunt to a person or club or lets someone else hunt there , the friends get mad and give the new guys a hard time --------------- been on both sides the fence on this one , just trying to show you the other side

Yep i see what you are saying. I've seen what you are talking about happen more than once. The story i referred to was more about a guest cutting his buddy in on the action then that guy cut his bud in and everything got out of control. I heard an old timer say one time that if you really want to find out what a person is like just go hunting with him a few times. BUT some good things are happening too and i just hope that all the bugs will get worked out and we can ALL have a good time ---while we still can.

I'm from Baton Rouge (not exactly 'cajun country') but Carlez is far from alone in the way he feels about South Louisiana hunters; I hunt SW Mississippi and I've run into it time and time again. I try to ask questions and figure out whats up with the prejudice, and sometimes its nothing more than locals resenting outsiders coming in to 'their' area and competing for 'their' deer. By the same token, I've heard more than a few stories about 'cajun hunters' that made me embarrassed to say I was from South Louisiana. Unfortunately these stories tend to get repeated and next thing you know, EVERYONE from down here is an outlaw....

good bump right there BR Buck, it\'s that time of year again, \r\n\r\nto all my cajun brothers, if you heading north of I10 to go hunting bring a big ice chest full of NATURAL LIGHT, leave it in the middle of the camp ground, tell one \'\'redneck\'\' about it word will spread and there will be no rednecks in the woods what so ever, the rednecks can't resist a can of natural light hahahahaha

THERE ARE KNUCKLE HEADS FROM THE SOUTH AS WELL AS THE NORTH. LOUISIANA HUNTERS DEAL WITH THE SAME THING WITH MISSISSIPPI LOCALS. SEEMS LIKE THE MAN THAT OWNS THE PROPERTY SHOULD PURGE THE IDIOTS FROM HIS PROPERTY NO MATTER WHERE THEY ARE FROM!!!!

Mike did not delete your post, I did. You are 100% correct, you did not curse. You did, however, call the OP a crybaby and make other references that I felt were inappropriate. If you think I was wrong in deleting it, please feel free to complain to the high-ups. If I was wrong, I will apologize.

If you thought you were wrong you would have already apoligized, but you havnt. So i wont complain to anyone but you. Bc we both know that it will do no good. You and your cronies const delete post that yall dont agree with. what if i was offended by being called a redneck? Well im not bc i have thicker skin. and i think you should try to callus up that soft skin of yours. If crybaby is too mean, i feel sorry for you. Lord help us all.

Duck - If you would have just said 'crybaby' I would have left your comment alone. But bringing up the size of the OP's 'manhood' and telling him what to do with it, was a bit much and THAT is the reason I deleted your post.

How do you drop the bomb on south la? I'm in and from south lousiana! I'm a very respectful and ethical hunter. I have manny years of supporting conservation efforts
-Was on the board for nwtf
- member of delta waterfowl
-A top 50 guide for saint Jude's hunting for a cure
-I've donated hunts to cca
-I've takin a lot of kids hunting
-A proud member of the NRA
That's just to name a few! I'm sure I'm not alone in the south on this one. There are people up north and the south that are just like me. A true sportsman. Are you????????

There's OutLaws everywhere.Makes it harder for the rest of us.I've got my own land so I didn't have to hunt public land any more but you still have to run people off.I'm not paying money and working my butt off for someone else to hunt on my place. And yes it gets ugly sometimes. I figure it like I pay my mortgage on my house and you ain't gonna walk in there so you ain't gonna hunt on my land either.

I understand your point there are bad apples everywhere ,,but get this what about the hunters that do right go and spend a bunch of money lease a place and lord and behold next thing I go back to it and the locals have stole half my stuff hunted my stands (oh and craped in one stand) shot deer left the remains in the middle of the food plot knocked down my feeders busted windows on my camper cut the electric cord flatten the tires and just tore up everything I worked hard to establish but we are the bad guys ok whatever

goes both ways, I run into a lot of people from other areas here to catch our trophy trout and reds, that just blaze by you wide open in there bay boat with no respect. just depends wich side the fence you arguing from.