Inconsistencies in Defining Crime and Criminality

One of the most frequent claims of right-wingers, alt-rights, CONservative, LIEbertarians and other assorted morons is that “blacks” are somehow more likely to commit “crime” because of “lower IQ” and “low future orientation”. Let me start exposing the bullshit inherent in such beliefs by asking a simple question-

Do we define crime and criminality in a consistent and rational manner?

Take violence.. A black man who is part of a street gang working for a drug boss is considered a criminal, whereas a white man who serves in the US army to murder and rob people in other countries for the benefit of the moneyed class in the USA is considered a hero. Face it.. with the possible exception of WW2, every war or conflict which the USA has ever been involved in has been a money-making racket. At least the black gangster gets lots of respect, pussy and drugs for accepting the risk. In contrast, the white working class moron who serves the criminal state gets a snappy uniform, some colorful but useless pieces of metal and most likely a cuckolding, nagging fat white wife for their services to the enterprise.

How come guys who go to Afghanistan and Iraq to kill people who had not attacked them considered heroes and worthy of emulation, while gang-bangers shooting a few people (who really deserved it) are considered to be dangerous criminals.

Which brings us to the next example- What is the real difference between a Black or Hispanic crime boss and a mayflower WASP in the higher levels of US government or business? Aren’t they morally and ethically similar people doing pretty much the same job- albeit for different corporations? Would you trust a drug baron or a mayflower WASP? Who is more likely to screw you over for a small profit? It is my contention that high level drug dealers are less sociopathic than those who populate senior management and boardrooms of publicly traded corporations.

Why is a white guy who makes money by defrauding, abusing or scamming other through “legal” means seen as a great businessmen, while a black guy who builds an empire selling drugs is considered a criminal mastermind? What if the actions of the white guys destroy the lives of more people than the black drug baron?

and while we are on the topic of drugs- Why is a black guy who sells marijuana considered a criminal, while the white pharmaceutical representative who promotes useless or dangerous drugs seen as a model member of the middle-class? Why is the white guy who sells alcohol or profits from it a legitimate businessman even though alcohol kills more people than pot, cocaine, crack and heroin? We can still legally buy nicotine cigarettes though they still kill more people than all “hard” drugs combined. Odd, isn’t it? and yes, I am aware the comedian Chris Rock mentions this issue in one of his standup acts.

It seems that the legal status of a drug is dependent on the skin color of those who profit from it rather than their objectively measurable effects on the lives of users.

So pretty much everything and anything, however despicable, done by a white person in an expensive suit or snappy uniform is right- but far less despicable acts done by a black person in gangsta apparel are crimes? Aren’t we defining what is criminal or not by the color, race and dress of a person rather than the nature and impact of their actions?

“Why is a black guy who sells marijuana considered a criminal, while the white pharmaceutical representative who promotes useless or dangerous drugs seen as a model member of the middle-class? ” – AD

Because the latter doesn’t destroy property values and make neighborhoods unsafe. That pretty much applies to your whole post. I agree with the broader point you’re making but let’s be honest here you probably don’t live anywhere near a ghetto hellhole.

“Alcohol! Tastes great, I love it, you love it, we all love it. Kills motherfuckers every single day. Some of you all won’t even make it home tonight ’cause of alcohol. You’ll be like, “Oh, that Chris Rock sure is funny, oh! Shit!” But it’s all right ’cause it’s all white. Cigarettes! Cigarette’s the most dangerous product known to man. Kills motherfuckers every single day. Cigarette’s so dangerous it kills motherfuckers that don’t smoke. That’s how dangerous cigarettes are. That’s right, first hand smoke, second hand smoke. People talking out of their necks into a fucking machine like, “Hey, what’s up, man, I love cigarettes, this shit is cool.” But it’s all right ’cause it’s all white. Shit, could you imagine if the Philip Morris family was a bunch of jheri-curled niggas from Mississippi? Do you know how illegal a pack of cigarettes would be? You would get sixty years just for a pack of Newports. But it’s all right, ’cause it’s all white.” – Chris Rock, “Never Scared” 2004

The alcohol wars of prohibition were less violent than the drug wars and non involved people were rarely hurt. Thats a pretty large difference.

Also among things that really are crimes (i.e. rape, murder etc) rates among Blacks are 6x higher and counting imprisonment rates only (Hispanic crime is often reported as White and as such the figures are questionable) about 4x higher. I

This is a BIG difference in behaviors, big enough that if a Lucky Magic Comet painlessly turned all Blacks and Hispanics in the US to dust, while White drug arrests would jump, we’d be one of the safest countries on Earth and have lower crime than much of Europe.

As for tobacco, Rock is right in that it “kills” in the sense of leading to premature death but used with some care for second hand smoke its actually a drug that calms people and makes them more productive. It also apparently helps self medicate for stress and mental issues as well.

On the issue of White Collar crime, it is arguably more destructive than street crime and ought to be punished higher than it is, however the actual number of high end scam artists is much smaller than the number of muggers.

White Collar crimes however rarely infuse communities with a sense of fear or send people to hospitals with injuries.

I cannot speak for petty fraud and theft, its everywhere and while Mexicans have a rep as industrial scale shoplifters and thieves I’ve seen plenty of Blacks and Whites too.

Some things are against the law whereas others are not. Without disagreeing about the (in)justice or inconsistency of many of the examples, truth is I adhere to a lot of laws purely so I will not run afoul of policemen/bureaucrats who are (usually inconsistently) enforcing what is on the books. There’s a huge difference between justice and codified law and its implementation. There’s also a huge difference between adherence to laws you don’t agree with and breaking them.

There has been a steady 15 point IQ gap between whites and blacks; blacks ARE more likely to commit violent crime. Perhaps these are explained entirely by environmental circumstances, but that’s beside the point — the gaps still exist.

Nevertheless, we have seen some useful comparisons in this thread: white psychopaths join the Marines and receive a huge boost in social status. Many of them were aimless dumbasses who barely passed high school, but society views them as virtuous patriotic heroes protecting us from the Arab hordes. Craziness.

The Real Vince :
There has been a steady 15 point IQ gap between whites and blacks; blacks ARE more likely to commit violent crime. Perhaps these are explained entirely by environmental circumstances, but that’s beside the point — the gaps still exist.
Nevertheless, we have seen some useful comparisons in this thread: white psychopaths join the Marines and receive a huge boost in social status. Many of them were aimless dumbasses who barely passed high school, but society views them as virtuous patriotic heroes protecting us from the Arab hordes. Craziness.

There are a fair number of Blacks and Hispanics in the Marines as well, equally crazy, equally lauded. Whats really crazy is that we even think invading other countries on flimsy ground is ethical.

Great observations. I also notice that whenever the media or WNs discuss violence and race, they conveniently leave out the tens of millions of white men that killed each other in the World Wars. The largest massacres of the 20th century are conveniently irrelevant.

I most certainly agree with this post 100%. However – as much as I hate to say it – white crime is less violent than black and Hispanic crime. Not less destructive, just less violent. In addition to the fact that property value decreases, turning neighborhoods into ghetto free-for-alls. Think of it as – in addition, yet oddly – the difference between streetwalkers (trashy hoes) and escorts, pornstars and strippers (classy hoes).