Deputies seized more than 60,000 marijuana plants over the past week from the Santa Ana River bed west of Norco, potentially removing millions of dollars from the pockets of drug dealers, sheriff's officials said.

I know a woman who smoked that crap the entire time she was pregnant. The cost was a young girls life became pretty messed up. Busted at age 11 for drugs. Still can’t shake the drugs at 33. It’s very sad.

Yeah, I disagree with you.

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posted on 07/11/2008 9:32:09 PM PDT
by rockinqsranch
(Dems, Libs, Socialists...call 'em what you will...They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)

The lady you mention is the irresponsible partyand, of course, she was acting in defiance of current laws, which shows that those laws are not especially effective anyway. And if she hadn't had access to marijuana, wouldn't she have found some other intoxicant with which to zombie herself and, as it turns out, her offspring?

So, drug wise, were is your cut off point if pot is legalized, what is the next drug to be legalized (and if pot is legalized, there will be a next drug)? To reiterate, we all know to well that if pot is legalize, some other drug will be next on the list of.

It's unfortunatebut truethat there's a cost-effectiveness issue here. In an ideal world, saving even one child from the ruinous behavior of its parents would be worth an infinite expenditure of time, effort and money. This is not an ideal world.

Basically, the law should just state that if a drug is fun to take, it should be illegal. That’s what it’s all about. We’re opposed to people having fun taking drugs. Alcohol, okay. Drugs, no. I’m right, aren’t I? Can you think of any drugs that are fun to take that aren’t illegal?

As the oil supply shrinks, are the oil companies suffering? I think not, and neither are the drug dealers, for the same basic reasons of supply and demand. Their competitors in the region will be laughing all the way to the bank in the wake of this raid, and nothing else will change.

It’s sad to see that the “slippery slope” argument still has so many diehard adherents. Our federal government has held an arbitrary line between legal alcohol/nicotine and illegal marijuana for the better part of a century, despite the overwhelming evidence that both alcohol and nicotine are more addictive, more intoxicating (in alcohol’s case), and almost infinitely more toxic than marijuana. How slippery can the slope possibly be?

I propose a slippery-slope experiment of a different sort: if marijuana prohibition is working so well, why not try prohibiting alcohol? I don’t see what could possibly go wrong.

“To reiterate, we all know to well that if pot is legalize, some other drug will be next on the list of.”

Why do we know that? Are there any other illegal drugs that are used by anywhere close to the number of people that use marijuana. More people use marijuana than all other drugs combined. It is not particularly addicting. Some people become heavy users and then actually remain heavy users. Most grow out of their marijuana smoking phase with little difficulty. People don't die from overdoses from it. Very few are ever compelled to steal to get money for it, and those that would steal for marijuana money would probably steal to get anything they might want. People certainly aren't selling their bodies for “marijuana fixes.” It doesn't contribute to a great degree to domestic violence like alcohol. It's not harmless, but it is one of the most benign of all intoxicants.

I could see us legalizing marijuana and nothing else. You aren't going to see a big push to legalize drugs like meth and heroin and cocaine except from a few voices, mostly libertarian types. We'll never see anywhere close to a majority pushing to legalize those drugs because they are so bad, so harmful to society and the risk of using them so great, both to the users and to society as a whole.

And what about drugs hardly anyone does, like LSD or ketamine? Well, really hardly anyone does drugs like heroin. Hardly any do LSD either, and almost none who do it continue to use it for any length of time. The government estimates that less than one percent of Americans do heroin. Only a tiny percentage do most other drugs. There is not a huge market for most drugs, and really very little reason to legalize them. At least with legalizing marijuana we'd take billions and billions of dollars from organized crime and drive a stake in the heart of drug smuggling and distribution networks for all the other drugs that in most cases piggy back off of the massive marijuana smuggling and delivery networks. Again, the marijuana industry is the backbone of the illegal drug trade. More than half of all American adults under 60 have tried it, and millions and millions use it at least occasionally today.

I could see us legalizing just marijuana. I'm all for it, but I'd be dead set against legalizing drugs like meth, heroin and cocaine. There really aren't many good arguments for legalizing most drugs, and the risks are too great. But marijuana, like it or not, is a part of our culture now. It's not going away. We aren't keeping anyone from using it with our current policies. If people want to do it they do it. All we are doing is providing billions upon billions of dollars to organized crime. Marijuana is the one and only currently illegal drug we really need to legalize and regulate similar to the way we regulate alcohol now.

ask children of marijuana users if their parents are better parents when they are high?

I don't have to. The two most responsible level headed young men I know were raised by marijuana smokers. They were better men by the time they were 15 than most any others of any age I can think of. Now in their early thirties they are both doing extremely well in their respective careers.

I think every so often we ought to legalize everything. In a just few days we could level out the gene pool to people who aren’t tempted to abuse drugs or booze. Imagine the annual financial savings that would do for our budgets!

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posted on 07/12/2008 11:11:58 AM PDT
by B4Ranch
(Having custody of a loaded weapon does not arm you. The skill to use the weapon is what arms a man.)

Ah I see so.... What the hell does it matter how you treat children as they grow up if they can not compare and contrast the difference. So if you beat the $hit out of them who cares they wont know the difference? If you are a user, your decision making strategy just proved my side of the argument.

In a way you've proved my point. At 15 neither of those boys would have been such a jerk as to call someone a liar about something they knew nothing about. They have integrity, you don't. They have honor, you don't. They have the intelligence to know how to act like a man, you don't.

A couple of years ago, he said, about 90,000 plants were seized, followed by about 181,000 plants last year. Part of the increase is the result of warmer weather extending the growing period, from February through October, he said.

You claim because you know 2 people that were raised by pot smokers and they are “ well adjusted” ( what ever the hell that means) you would count that as evidence that Nullifies my argument that drug use and bad parenting go together?

I am not calling you a liar..... I am calling your argument (not you)STUPID.

When one is losing an argument on the evidence falling back on the old leftest playbook of calling names and questioning ones genetics and intelligence doesn’t seem too manly to me.
However you are to one that is advocating the use of drugs so I guess I should expect nothing less.
Back to your opium den....

You claim because you know 2 people that were raised by pot smokers and they are  well adjusted ( what ever the hell that means)...

I didn't use the phrase "well adjusted" you did so why don't you tell us all what that means?

you would count that as evidence that Nullifies my argument that drug use and bad parenting go together?

You call the stupid remark you made an argument about drug use and bad parenting? LOL

ask children of marijuana users if their parents are better parents when they are high?

That is your brilliant essay on drug use and bad parenting en toto. Amazing!

When one is losing an argument on the evidence falling back on the old leftest playbook of calling names and questioning ones genetics and intelligence doesnt seem too manly to me.

Since you are no longer in a position to comment on anyone else's manliness we'll leave that. I could hardly have been losing the argument since I produced not one but two answers to your challenge to "ask children of marijuana users." It's not my fault you made such a weak "argument."

However you are to one that is advocating the use of drugs so I guess I should expect nothing less.

I didn't advocate the use of drugs. That's just hyperbole on your part. I just refuted your BS.

Back to your opium den....

More of the crap you started. Of course that didn't stop you from accusing me of doing it first. My expectations of you couldn't get much lower.

Still my argument stands beyond your tripe. I would state with reasonable generality that children of drug users would probably state that they wish their parents had not been drug users when it came to parenting them. Now if you want to continue this we can but I think there is a fair amount of evidence over the last 50 years, (beyond 2 well balanced 15 year olds that you know) to make my point.

Refute the point that drug use has been a major destruction to society and the family (with evidence) then I will concede.

Still my argument stands beyond your tripe. I would state with reasonable generality that children of drug users would probably state that they wish their parents had not been drug users when it came to parenting them.

Talk about tripe!!! Now its drug users instead of just marijuana users. I didn't think you could undermine your credibility much further but you did.

You sure like to twist things back and forth. First you make a blanket statement about parents who smoke marijuana. Then you turn it around and make your statement about "drugs" which obviously can include a great number of other things. Now you try and twist my words back on themselves to intimate that I'm denying marijuana is a drug. You are one pathetic debater. It's like talking to Algore.

Those men don't need luck. One has worked full time since he was 15 while learning to play guitar like Eddie Van Halen. Made himself indispensable to every employer he's had beginning with an auto body shop. Studied computer engineering, put his wife through the Colorado School of Mines to become an oil field engineer and now he is director of a private music school having taught classes himself in the past.

His younger brother, who is dyslexic and has epilepsy, was running his own stone masonry business by the age of 20 and doing such fine work that he charges much more than any other mason in the area which is choked with contractors. He is booked up at least six months in advance, has been flown to Hawaii to do stone work, gives his wife $1,000 month allowance beyond paying all the bills on the house they bought when he was about 22, boat, 2 - mid'60s camaros for her, big Dodge diesel for him, blah blah blah...

And none of those things are what I meant when I said they were men at the age of 15. I seriously doubt that someone with your mind would understand or appreciate what I had in mind. You just don't have the mental power to push a cart in a flea circus.

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