Looks good. I wonder how this will be installed while the engine is still in the car. Can you post pics of your DP/DPs? Are you using vacuum-actuated WGs like stock? If not, how did you convert them. I'm assuming you're hosing the DME to control boost.

JB4.

They install much like stock, engine does not need to come out of the car. The lines are the biggest pain. We will see how much longer vs stock / hybrid replacements when we put it in next week. Tuning is being handled by Dzenno, he is going to be flying out here to do. He really wanted to get first crack at it so I couldn't argue with that. The DP's are in the pictures, and you can also see the stock actuators as well.

They install much like stock, engine does not need to come out of the car. The lines are the biggest pain. We will see how much longer vs stock / hybrid replacements when we put it in next week. Tuning is being handled by Dzenno, he is going to be flying out here to do. He really wanted to get first crack at it so I couldn't argue with that. The DP's are in the pictures, and you can also see the stock actuators as well.

Looking good please dont overlook the RHD guys!
I guess you would have real trouble getting RHD car just hope theres a way

This is stage 3 nearly complete. Gonna wrap everything, add some thermal components to control the heat and prob powder coat the charge piping, clean a few things up, but besides that its ready to go in. We will have the car running by the end of next week barring any unexpected problems. Lets the games begin

If so... this becomes the marquee option and the Vishnu single turbo becomes yesterday's news.

It becomes the marquee option if nothing breaks & the tuning goes headache free. My biggest concern are the stock internals & that (hopefully) the low-end TQ generated by the twins doesn't bend a rod or anything.

Assuming everything goes to plan & the drivability is still there, this is going to put the Vishnu single to shame

@dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks--- I'm assuming that you'll be tuning on CA Pump Gas (91)??? Def eager to see the Pump Gas (NO Meth or E85 numbers). Obviously best of luck to everyone who tunes this -- Dzenno, Terry, GIAC, RennTECH, garage warriors using any of the tune options, and yes even Shiv

@dzenno@ProTUNING Freaks --- I'm assuming that you'll be tuning on CA Pump Gas (91)??? Def eager to see the Pump Gas (NO Meth or E85 numbers). Obviously best of luck to everyone who tunes this -- Dzenno, Terry, GIAC, RennTECH, garage warriors using any of the tune options, and yes even Shiv

I would like to see 93 , e85 and e85 + meth numbers , because there is no reason to buy 6k+ turbo's then run 91 octane.

I would like to see 93 , e85 and e85 + meth numbers , because there is no reason to buy 6k+ turbo's then run 91 octane.

Meth should be used, its a great thing.

Finding 93 in CA is the problem. The reason why I asked for 91 numbers is causing I know 93 will offer a modest bump, and IMO meth (as great as it is) is a band-aid. Honestly the two numbers that mean the most to me are straight pump gas & a 100 octane tune. I personally have nothing invested and am not even considering this: 6AT Problems

Finding 93 in CA is the problem. The reason why I asked for 91 numbers is causing I know 93 will offer a modest bump, and IMO meth (as great as it is) is a band-aid. Honestly the two numbers that mean the most to me are straight pump gas & a 100 octane tune. I personally have nothing invested and am not even considering this: 6AT Problems

I think if you're running 4 jets, because you can't get the fuel needed its a band aid, but if you're running it as a additive, then its just that.

As of now we will be tuning for 91 (with the fuel systems limits the way they are, not expecting huge things), 91 +E85 (again fuel system limited, I do have the HPFP supposedly coming back to me in a week or so, upgraded), and both of those above plus Meth. I am going to be running 3 nozzles, I am not a big meth fan myself, but until we can get the fuel in there we need, its a viable option to make big power. I wont get too much into the tuning side of things as I honestly am not a tuning expert. I will let Dzenno step in and decide how he wants to tackle it.

As of now we will be tuning for 91 (with the fuel systems limits the way they are, not expecting huge things), 91 +E85 (again fuel system limited, I do have the HPFP supposedly coming back to me in a week or so, upgraded), and both of those above plus Meth. I am going to be running 3 nozzles, I am not a big meth fan myself, but until we can get the fuel in there we need, its a viable option to make big power. I wont get too much into the tuning side of things as I honestly am not a tuning expert. I will let Dzenno step in and decide how he wants to tackle it.

Thanks for the E85 and meth tests. 91 test imho is whatever since at this point you shouldn't be running 91 anyway. Spend $6k on a turbo kit and then pass up another 200-250who because you won't order some E85 or meth... lol, it wouldn't make any sense. At a certain point, probably right around here or at the RB level, there won't be any real gains from larger turbos on 91 since the octane limit on the 10:1 comp will be apparent.

As of now we will be tuning for 91 (with the fuel systems limits the way they are, not expecting huge things), 91 +E85 (again fuel system limited, I do have the HPFP supposedly coming back to me in a week or so, upgraded), and both of those above plus Meth. I am going to be running 3 nozzles, I am not a big meth fan myself, but until we can get the fuel in there we need, its a viable option to make big power. I wont get too much into the tuning side of things as I honestly am not a tuning expert. I will let Dzenno step in and decide how he wants to tackle it.

This sounds logical. Your end is the hardware, so tuning questions shouldnt be directed towards VTT, or anyone that provides hardware.

I think PTF and BMS are well aware of what the customer base wants, ie

91 octane
91+meth
91/Ethanol mix (% varies)

if possible
93
93+meth
93+Ethanol

and finally
Ms109
Ms109+meth

Meth is great, but should never be a requirement; if avoidable should not be used for fueling, thats a fuel system/tuning limitation and has nothing to do with a stg 3 option being available; its also a niche market, a large and common market, but should be additional and not a requirement, especially if cooling better due to better hardware

E85 is also a niche market, as most dont use it, and its not available everywhere.

I think focus should be on the 3 ready available, widely used fuel sources, 91 (since cali sucks ass but people still choose to live there), 93 as the most common pumpgas, and ms109 as the premier unleaded racefuel.

anything past that is beneficial , but restricts the target market and general perception of what they+tuning are capable of

Learn from the shivs mistake, give us the basics first, then the extra's

Thanks for the E85 and meth tests. 91 test imho is whatever since at this point you shouldn't be running 91 anyway. Spend $6k on a turbo kit and then pass up another 200-250who because you won't order some E85 or meth... lol, it wouldn't make any sense. At a certain point, probably right around here or at the RB level, there won't be any real gains from larger turbos on 91 since the octane limit on the 10:1 comp will be apparent.

+1000
I've never understood some peoples line of of thinking. You're willing to dump $6K into a Turbo kit, then several $K more into suspension and cluthch/flywheel but running meth injection is too much? Why the $#@! would you not want to do everything you could to make the most of the setup you have? Meth is soo much more than just additional fueling.

+1. The people that are so anti meth crack me up. They obviously haven't driven a big turbo car on pump. The lag sucks since you can't turn the boost up. You need more octane to be able to turn the boost up and get the turbo spooled faster and in its compressor range. Whoever said all you need is a 91 and 100oct map sounds like a VAG guy. That's what they do. Fact is I want as many maps as I can get. I want a 93 map, I want a pump + meth map, I want an e85 map and I want an e85 and meth map. I'm currently 100% e85 and I'm still about to hook up a meth kit just to see if there are any gains. I love the iat suppression of meth so I think I'm gonna use a small 375ml/min just for iats.

Whoever said all you need is a 91 and 100oct map sounds like a VAG guy. That's what they do. Fact is I want as many maps as I can get.

The various maps are up to the end user. Sales Pitch Dynos (which these really are) should focus on the most commonly used setups (which LM highlighted): 91 for the CA users, 93 for everywhere else in civilized world & MS109 for the Race Gas users. If you want to add in Meth/E85 that's fine, but not everybody A) chooses to run meth or B) doesn't have access to E85. I personally would get scared off form the Stage 3s if it was marketed like the Vishnu/FFTEC kit that basically requires copious amounts of meth to perform as advertised.

The various maps are up to the end user. Sales Pitch Dynos (which these really are) should focus on the most commonly used setups (which LM highlighted): 91 for the CA users, 93 for everywhere else in civilized world & MS109 for the Race Gas users. If you want to add in Meth/E85 that's fine, but not everybody A) chooses to run meth or B) doesn't have access to E85. I personally would get scared off form the Stage 3s if it was marketed like the Vishnu/FFTEC kit that basically requires copious amounts of meth to perform as advertised.

Dude, if you can spend 6K on a turbo kit, you can spend $150 for a 55gal drum of E85 or however much methanol you need. Sure meth and E85 is a "niche" market but so are $6k turbo kits. If you want quick spool you need meth or E85. Otherwise sure lower your compression and run piss, but what's the point? That more money to change internals and you will spool up even later. Its a lose lose, the fact is if you want to make 600-700hp you can go the extra distance down to the store to buy meth or order online the E85. I you want to run 91 only, get RBs because your power difference between this on 91 and those on 91 isn't going to be huge, but the cost will.