The “moderate Muslim,” is there such a thing?

Given the reported head chopping family of Muslims came from the suburbs of Sydney, do we have a bomb ticking and growing? No, we have a miniscule percentage of zealots and an overwhelming number of moderate Muslims.........so the moderates tell us.

Last year two Muslims beheaded Lee Rigby in a London Street and apart from the official Muslim disclaimer the same moderate community still harbour thousands of others with the same mindset. There has been no Imam driven campaign to humanize the religion because that is not the agenda. The agenda is conversion of all to this barbarous seventh century view of the world.

Of moderate Muslims, how do you “rationalize” with university graduates who adhere to the Imam driven seventh century protocols. I worked with two young university educated professionals I have known since their grad days. Their attitude is downtrodden minority, and has been as long as I have known them. I asked them, if I became a Muslim would I be closer to them than as a Christian.

They responded “yes like brothers” and justified the difference being my accepting Allah; I asked them if Christians and Jews were lesser in Allah’s eyes. Both responded yes and alluded to Judgement Day sorting the “faithful” from the not so. I quoted the only verse from the Koran that I had chosen to memorized:

>>Those who believe and those who are Jewish and the Christian and the Sabians,any who believe in Allah and the last dayand work righteously; shall have their rewardwith their Lord: on them shall be no fear.Quran 2:62 <<

They said that no Imam had ever recited this verse. The Imams need reformation. Uninformed moderates become zealots very quickly.

Posted by sonofgloin, Monday, 11 August 2014 8:20:55 PM

I too have Muslim friends, both here and overseas, and the most moderate of Muslims will become un-moderate when the chips are down, even if only for fear of what the un-moderates will do to their families if they do not toe the line.Personal bravery goes out the window when the threat to one's children and spouse/s is not immediate but is a known threat that is irresistible and inevitable.

Posted by Is Mise, Monday, 11 August 2014 9:57:35 PM

Dear sonofgolin,

This is a piece from the Independent in the UK over 15 years ago.

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For the past five years, the people of northern Uganda have lived in terror of a strange and bloody children's crusade.

Led by a 34-year-old former Catholic altar boy called Joseph Kony, the army of abducted and brainwashed children that calls itself the Lord's Resistance Army has murdered thousands of civilians and devastated much of the north.

Their aim is to overthrow President Yoweri Museveni's government and rule Uganda in accordance with the Ten Commandments.

Since the insurgency flared four years ago, the authorities in Gulu district say the LRA has murdered 5,000 people and perhaps as many again in neighbouring Kitgum.

They believe 230,000 people have been displaced into protected camps, while the UN World Food Programme reports that war and drought are forcing it to feed 140,000 people in the region.

In addition to those killed, aid workers say hundreds - perhaps thousands - more have been attacked and mutilated for disobeying Kony's decrees.

Anybody caught riding a bicycle - the main transport in this remote region - is likely to be killed or have their feet hacked off. Those who speak ill of the rebels have had lips or noses cut off.

End quote.

Ultimately the equation seems to be give zealots of any of the three Abrahamic faiths access to weaponry and power and things go haywire quickly.

Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 12:03:21 AM

There are newspaper reports of corruption and incompetence in the Australia's immigration department.

It would be prudent of the federal government to wind back on the migrant numbers where the risks are greatest, until government can demonstrate to the public that all is above board and all risks have effective, efficient treatments, ie that the controls are in place, working as intended and are robust.

Whether or not Australia should continue with the population growth that a Third World country would be criticised for is another matter. Didn't a previous Labor PM admit that a 'Big Australia' was NOT policy welcomed by the public. Independent reports have showed that the benefits claimed for immigration are illusory and it is only the migrants who gain, not the host population.

Worrying reports from Europe seem commonplace. This is recent, from an independent research organisation,

No federal government has ever bothered to ask the public if they want the 'diversity-Australians-are-obliged-to-have', or if it should be so extensive. It is momentous change, a revolution in reality. So much for democracy.

Posted by onthebeach, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 12:30:51 AM

SteeleRedux,

"Ultimately the equation seems to be give zealots of any of the three Abrahamic faiths access to weaponry and power and things go haywire quickly."

Yes...that appears to be the case...

Just coming off a week or so of seeing many many civilians - babies, children, women and men being blown to smithereens in Gaza.

Posted by Poirot, Tuesday, 12 August 2014 12:49:42 AM

No, there is no such thing as a 'moderate' Muslim. The only difference is that radical Muslims terrorize and kill, while moderate Muslims make excuses and blame others. This is because:1. The Quran teaches hate and violence: It is a book with hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of verses by a brutal, sadistic god that slander and vilify nonmuslims, urging discrimination and violence against them.2. Islam's dear prophet attacked his neighbors for 10 years, launching dozens and dozens and dozens of raids against them to kill, loot, torture, rape and enslave men women and children (see Wikipedia's list of expeditions). Well, that is what Islam's own traditions and histories say, yet this man is considered a great moral example by the Quran and Muslims, one to emulate. Figure out, if you can, what this means.3. Everywhere Islam dominates it discriminates against and persecutes nonmuslims (those 'lower than animal' people according to the Quran). Items 1 and 2 above may explain this.4. Lastly, Muslims are never honest about these three things. They ignore the obvious, make excuses and blame others. They demand morality and principles from others, yet never apply these to themselves.

This is why Muslims, all Muslims, are hypocrites. They come and they bring Mohammad, death, lies and sorrow with them. The future will not be nice because Western civilization has betrayed itself, sacrificing its values in an orgy of political correctness, fraudulent multiculturalism and a kumbayah mentality that ignores simple reality.

Until Muslims say “Yes, the Quran does have verses that contribute to hate, violence and discrimination against nonMuslims” and “Yes, our dear prophet did attack, loot, rape and enslave NonMuslims in his wars“ and until Muslim societies repeal the blasphemy and apostasy laws and all other forms of discrimination and violence against nonMuslims (and even other Muslims), there is no reason to believe that Muslims are honest or that they can or will leave in peace with others. Any Muslim that says that Islam teaches peace, love and respect obviously has not read the Quran or is simply deceitful.