YES now we talking, that is the one i meant i think<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR><BR>WIll check it out asap<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>

Well Drieske and I had another session of BG2<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> and it sure goes great, this was the more "relaxing"playing, something i like less<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> running city in and out and feeling like a errand boy for everyone, awell as long as the xp is building up.<BR><BR>Now doubting to either do the heardalis quest, going to another plane, or going to the umbar hills<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0>

LMAO the more relaxing playing <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> remember those nice cute ugly spiders in huge amounts <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0> I had a BG1 déjà vu <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> but then it took me a heck of a while longer to be victorious than today, hehehe, now with Maeglin it goes smoooothly *HUGS* my friend :<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>and the images of BG2 are simply superb, the details, the Egyptian buildings, the water, the towers, the apples with the flies buzzing, everything!! ooooh <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>

Oh TORCers. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>I've recently had urges to reinstall my BG2 game (haven't played it in over 2 years now) and upon seeing this thread I've been inspired to begin again!<BR><BR>Never actually finished the game -- much more enjoyed all the side-quests and XP building. I suppose that's half the fun. I often tell myself to break out of my common HUMAN FIGHTER tradition but usually never do. <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Anyone have any hints on how to take out those annoying Mind Flayers? As far as I can remember, they were always the hardest bunnyslippers to defeat!<BR><BR>Ah, the memories. . . <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>

Welcome Arion, good to see a fresh face in this Thread<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> and glad to hear you want to start over again. Always human fighter<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0> lol try something else indeed, way more fun<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Mindflayers, hmm helm of charm protection helped me, and some of the swords like lilarcor defended from it, not so sure right now.<BR><BR>And lol Drieske, you did great yourself to your ranger cut many spider in half<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>

I always used to get rid off Mindflayers by luring them out one by one. That tactic worked pretty well since I had three melee fighters. Even if one of them got 'Held', the others would whack the slithery beast like it ain´t no thang! The other tactic I found very effective, was to use a lot of summoned creatures. If your mage is good enough, he or she can overwhelm even three mindflayers at best (support from the rest of the group still required of course, but this way the 'flayers are usually sucking the brains out of those summoned cretins, so there really isn´t that much danger anymore to send your fighters in).

Good tactics indeed, and darn what do i love it to play my own mage, he is already very powerful only his own protection isn't so great, i need a nice robe<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>But Drieske and I killed some nasty creatures and are now on our way to the druid grove<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>

hm... as much as I enjoyed BG 2 .... I now play TOB .... IT"S EVEN more twisted then BG 2 ... <BR><BR><BR>And Never Winter Nigghts has a nice twist as well <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> I'm not gonna say any details to spoil the games but if you liek nice or rather surprising twists in your games try NWN ... surely worth it <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> <BR><BR>btw I was wondering does any of you know how to amke a never winter world alive ??? ( I.E. scripting and such ) I would appreciate any help on that as I plan to run a server of NWN ...

Ehm you mean make your own worlds ? There is an editor in the game, you can make your own NWN with it<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>And yes NWN has a nice plot, i wish i had more time to play it, but i am now totally in BG2 again, maybe after that, what will take a long time me and Drieske will discover TOB<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>

Ah yes, you are doing incredible things with that mage Maeglin, LOL, last time I suddenly saw a figure enveloped in flames, fighting in front of us. I controlled my urges to hurl him straight into a river and in stead watched the battle, haha, and after that joined in the fun <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR>Btw, Maeg, my Xzar has a VERY nice robe, quite elegant <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Themedes, we will keep a watchfull eye on the shiny-loving creatures <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>TOB, what does that abbreviation mean? <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-confused.gif"border=0> And whatever it is, I will play it with you Maeglin, always *hugs* <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>It's so good to read that you are enjoying these fantasygames too Darklon <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> And Arion, you make me smile, I'm so glad that our enthusiasm here makes you want to play BG2 again!! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0>

ToB meaning = Throne of Bhaal<BR><BR>because you haven't finished BG1 yet, i will not tell you too much yet, but if you have finished that, together with the story of bg2 combined you will understand more, that is why i do mostly the sidequest there with you, so that you will not see to much spoiled of the story of bg1 by knowing to much already<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>Yeah my mage is a real summoner, lol fire elementals, fiends, stalkers, spiders and many more, yeah i start to be proud of that mage, combined with your ranger deadly couple..cant wait to go level up again<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-devil.gif"border=0>

Good day all. May I post a Baldur's Gate question, please?<BR><BR>I'm about three weeks old as a Baldur's Gate player ( yep, the first Baldur's Gate ) so I don't know much about the game yet. I notice that the smithy in Beregost has some "Shadow Armour" for sale at a pretty hefty price. I've accumulated enough wealth to purchase it should I wish. My main character is a thief/fighter. Is the armour worth the price? It is leather plus 2 or 3, I think, so its nice and light, and it has the shadow ability too, but is it helpful and worth worth spending gold accumulated by lugging swords and gems back to the cities over and over again on? <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR>I just wondered if anyone could fill me in and save me some forehead vs keyboard later on.<BR><BR>

well since you are a warrior/fighter type I would say no ... but that depends on which one of the classes are you going to use the most ? if you are going to sneak on people and backstab them then yes but if you are going all heavy armor and big swords then no ... if you want to you can buy that armor for imoen .. and change from double class to single class warrior .. ( or thief and then you get the armor ) but I think it's better if you use the money on some nifty sword and armor and change from multi class to single class ...

Yep agreed with Darklon, but I would say yes, because it has no use to be a fighter thief and than have such big armor you can't be a thief.<BR><BR>Ofcourse you can put it off, but i would prefer just wearing the armor than going over that trouble and the AC is nice enough<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-devil.gif"border=0>

I say ye as well, for the same reasons. The AC (especially with the additional +3) gives a better AC than heavy armor does. That's what you pay for of course...<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0> <BR><BR>And a fighter/thief has some very nice tricks. Such as backstab with good profiencies in swords...<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>

hmm yes but you can only backstab with daggers and short swords ??? and if you are warrior do you wanna become proficient in those weapons where most of the good weapons are two handed swords and b@st@rd swords, axes ( some ) and hammers and halberds and bows ???? <BR>also looking at bg 2 ... and TOB .. the best armors are for the fighetr not for the thief ... the same follow with swords in those two so I think that spending money on that armor would be wise if you will go onyl thief ... and drop the warrior class or if you would to give it to imoen ( she is killer with it ) ... otherwise go for swords and some nice equipment ...<BR><BR>btw did you hear about that sword that sets your AC to -30 ..... ( you can get it from clua console ) so i think that it's one of the SUPER SPECIAL ITEMS not available in the normall game and only available by cheats ( the console ) although the sword is COOL try MINSC with two of those .....

hmm yes but you can only backstab with daggers and short swords ??? and if you are warrior do you wanna become proficient in those weapons where most of the good weapons are two handed swords and b@st@rd swords, axes ( some ) and hammers and halberds and bows ???? <BR>also looking at bg 2 ... and TOB .. the best armors are for the fighetr not for the thief ... the same follow with swords in those two so I think that spending money on that armor would be wise if you will go onyl thief ... and drop the warrior class or if you would to give it to imoen ( she is killer with it ) ... otherwise go for swords and some nice equipment ...<BR><BR>btw did you hear about that sword that sets your AC to -30 ..... ( you can get it from clua console ) so i think that it's one of the SUPER SPECIAL ITEMS not available in the normall game and only available by cheats ( the console ) although the sword is COOL try MINSC with two of those .....

Thanks very much for all the comments! My main character is quite proficient as a thief, so I think perhaps the armour would be best for that character switched to thief. I see a poisoned dagger in that shop as well *starts hatching an evil backstabbing strategy* <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR>PS : one of my characters broke his sword ( it was a +1 sword of some kind, too if I remember right! ) and I didn't notice until all the games was saved like that! <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-mad.gif"border=0> Didn't even know it could happen!!

Darklon: There are some awesome short swords in BG2. About as many sa there are axes. And I don't know what backstabbing in 2E was limited to. In 3E D&D rules, sneak attacks (= backstab) could be done with any weapon. The damage was set at 1d6 on top of your regular attack, though. But how it is in BG I'm not certain.<BR><BR>Griffon: If your thief is good in OPen Lock and stuff, pay a visit to the Thunderhammer Smithy in Beregost (that's where you found the armor if I'm correct) at night. It's empty then, and there's some awesome items to loot. Beware for traps, though...

Aglanor, my thief is a lock opening machine <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0> Thanks for the tip ( I haven't thought to try that when I found the shop deserted one night, and I'm playing as a thief ????? <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-rolleyes.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-tongue.gif"border=0> )

Playing as a thief i do in BG1 <img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0><BR><BR>a +1 sword broke?<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-shocked.gif"border=0> that is odd, did not thought that could happen..hmmm.<BR><BR>I still think that in Baldursgate, especially the first one, there is a lack of great spears, or maces or flails, the second one is way better and provides a lot, still i always chose sword.

if you look overall at the game the greatest weapons are swords some hammers and axes and soem halberds and of because some bows and crossbows ... the rest is pretty much useless ... so that's why I said that if you buy that armor the only use you will have is to sneak around with a short sword or dagger and backstab ....

A thief who dual classes to a fighter has been my favorite class to play in BG1. You get the combat skills of a fighter plus the ability to hide in shadows and backstab...pretty deadly combination. And ya Griffon, Maeglins right about the +1 swords...if your sword was enchanted at all then there is no way it will break.

Right Beren<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><BR><BR>And i might try to dual class, not such a bad idea indeed, now i just wonder if i chosed a hobbit as thief...nah can't be much be human again<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-wink.gif"border=0>

Darklon: There are way more magical and cool Flails, Morning-stars and maces than there are halberds...<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-smile.gif"border=0> The only cool halberd I found was <i>Wave +4</i>. And there were the usual +1, +2 oridinary magical weapons but everyone had that...<img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><img src="http://www.tolkienonline.com/mb/i/expressions/face-icon-small-happy.gif"border=0><BR><BR>But yeah, slashing weapons are most popular, and widely used, so they put more of those in the game. Spears are always the underdog, but they're not that useful. Same for quarterstaff. There were a few good ones, but I rarely used them. Especially in my later party, no-one had a quarterstaff.