MMA "worked" fights in pride?

As you may know, pride has had some worked fights in the past (I think they admitted that every takada fight was a work). Anyways after watching the latest pride, I am fairly convinced that they still are putting in some worked fights here or there. I am pretty much suspicious of all fights that have pro wrestlers in them such as ogawa, giant silva, yoji anjo, etc. I realize that many people don't want to accept this as it would hurt the integrity of the sport... but I don't know I am starting to become convinced. I think that if they really are doing it, it is unfair to the public regardless of how exciting the fight ends up, because it takes away the competitiveness and realness of MMA, which are basically two of its best aspects.

they definitely had some in the first few Prides...but just to get the MMA movement built up in japan...once they got it started they didn't really have a need for them anymore...which fights are you referring to? all those pro wrestlers you were referring to got their asses whooped...anjo almost got his arm snapped off by that psycho ryan gracie

i dont believe in works anymore...but what i do think is that the matchmaker's of organizations are very clever in setting up fights so that the fighter they want to win has every advantage coming into the fight...especially in tournament setups...if they want certain fighters to advance...they'll give them easy routes...and give their opponents very short notice to prepare for fights...etc..stuff like that

i guess we have a different view of what works are...but with anjo...pre-setup outcomes with him are not necessary....your right his sole purpose there is to lose...but they dont have to pay him to take a dive...he'll lose regardless

i don't get how you can think frye vs takayama is a work...first time i heard that

i dont believe in works anymore...but what i do think is that the matchmaker's of organizations are very clever in setting up fights so that the fighter they want to win has every advantage coming into the fight...especially in tournament setups...if they want certain fighters to advance...they'll give them easy routes...and give their opponents very short notice to prepare for fights...etc..stuff like that

i guess we have a different view of what works are...but with anjo...pre-setup outcomes with him are not necessary....your right his sole purpose there is to lose...but they dont have to pay him to take a dive...he'll lose regardless

i don't get how you can think frye vs takayama is a work...first time i heard that

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Think about it, if pride called you and said you had to fight Don Frye, would you go into the match and start eating 50+ punches from him? Either Takayama had a REALLY bad game plan, or was paid to make the fight exciting and lose.

he wasn't punching frye like he was trying to lose...your view of a work is different i think...what did you think of the Nick Diaz vs Koji Oishi fight then? is this a work? cause Oishi's sole purpose in the UFC was to lose...and give the perception that other organizations(pancrase, Pride, etc) are weaker...and also foreign fighters...Oishi fights at lightweight...and had to fight diaz in UFC at 170...he comes in at like 161 fat...point is matchmakers know what they are doing....i dont consider this a work...just a product of clever matchmaking

after this last show I believe more and more that, while they may not be total works, the combination of creative matchmaking, and judges that will call a fight for which ever fighter they want to win, makes for the perception of actual worked fights.

after this last show I believe more and more that, while they may not be total works, the combination of creative matchmaking, and judges that will call a fight for which ever fighter they want to win, makes for the perception of actual worked fights.

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Well I sort of meant worked as in pride telling both fighters which one is to win, and to put on a good show for fans b/c that = $$$$. I don't know though.

Coleman vs some asian, ill find outwho was a work, as addmited by Coleman. He was offered a good amount of money and took the fall. Minowa vs Kimo was too hard to believe, Kimo had what 80lb on Minowa? He could of shook that fucking leg free, or kicked and flailed.

Coleman vs some asian, ill find outwho was a work, as addmited by Coleman. He was offered a good amount of money and took the fall. Minowa vs Kimo was too hard to believe, Kimo had what 80lb on Minowa? He could of shook that fucking leg free, or kicked and flailed.

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Coleman vs Takada

In some book Takada admitted all his mma fights were works.

Kimo/Minowa didn't look worked to me. Minowa isn't that bad... and Kimo has never been considered top 10 material.

Takada has kinda redeemed himself, he has made a pretty damn good matchmaker for pride

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I agree. I dont really mind works in the early days. They had to do something to build the sport and Takada was already a huge name from his pro wrestling career, so they involved him in works to get people interested in Pride.