If you've gotten all the allergies out, then it's possible there are still food intolerances lurking there that you haven't figured out. And with the middle child having GERD, have you figured out the food issues there?

Kathy, mother of 3, wife of 1. My new recipe blog: www.kathysrecipebox.wordpress.com (no longer searchable by allergen, but at least it doesn't have a virus!)

Besides additional food intolerances, dark circles can indicate a bad balance of gut bacteria. DD's dark circles get better and worse depending on how her gut is--and food intolerances play in there because when you're still eating a problematic food, gut bacteria are going to tend to be out of whack. But for us, even getting the foods out, I still need to use probiotics and at times other things to make her gut happy.

If you've gotten all the allergies out, then it's possible there are still food intolerances lurking there that you haven't figured out. And with the middle child having GERD, have you figured out the food issues there?

Shes currently allergic to 23 foods, so I'm sure there's more.

As far as my middle child, not yet. He gets allergy tested on Jan 14th.

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Besides additional food intolerances, dark circles can indicate a bad balance of gut bacteria. DD's dark circles get better and worse depending on how her gut is--and food intolerances play in there because when you're still eating a problematic food, gut bacteria are going to tend to be out of whack. But for us, even getting the foods out, I still need to use probiotics and at times other things to make her gut happy.

Very interesting! My middle child has had GERD since birth, could this be causing his dark circles?

Besides additional food intolerances, dark circles can indicate a bad balance of gut bacteria. DD's dark circles get better and worse depending on how her gut is--and food intolerances play in there because when you're still eating a problematic food, gut bacteria are going to tend to be out of whack. But for us, even getting the foods out, I still need to use probiotics and at times other things to make her gut happy.

yup, and I'd even go a step further and say that's they all tend to be indicative of how well your body is accessing/utilizing minerals. The reason they show up with food intolerances, bacterial imbalances and the like is that when you're struggling with these issues you're not as nutritionally stable as you could be. So IMO the circles are reflective of a lack of nutrients (specifically minerals) which can be a result of many things.

Where are the dark circles? There are 3 general spots. Right under the eye is kidneys, under that is the colon and closer to the bridge of the nose is adrenals.

Right under all their eyes. Interesting info!

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Originally Posted by tanyalynn

Besides additional food intolerances, dark circles can indicate a bad balance of gut bacteria. DD's dark circles get better and worse depending on how her gut is--and food intolerances play in there because when you're still eating a problematic food, gut bacteria are going to tend to be out of whack. But for us, even getting the foods out, I still need to use probiotics and at times other things to make her gut happy.

yup, and I'd even go a step further and say that's they all tend to be indicative of how well your body is accessing/utilizing minerals. The reason they show up with food intolerances, bacterial imbalances and the like is that when you're struggling with these issues you're not as nutritionally stable as you could be. So IMO the circles are reflective of a lack of nutrients (specifically minerals) which can be a result of many things.

Thank you. That makes sense since my 3yo doesn't eat a very balanced diet (hes afraid of most foods b/c they bother his reflux) and my other 2 are on allergy diets.

That's a really good idea. My DH had his tested last yr and his was extremely low. He was put on 50, 000IU's. I had mine tested and it was semi low but not too bad. I've never had my kids vit D checked but I will.

Where are the dark circles? There are 3 general spots. Right under the eye is kidneys, under that is the colon and closer to the bridge of the nose is adrenals.

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this can also tell which cell salts will be most effective.

Sorry to hijack, but Ooh, PB, can you please expand on the right cell salts? I don''t see anything in the biochemic handbook that mentions adrenals and I'm not that far in my most recent round of 30 library books yet to see what more I can do specifically for the adrenals. (Just finished Detoxification & Healing, by Dr Sydney McDonald Baker, friend and colleague of such greats as Pauling, Galland, Bland, etc. Great explanations of why and how detox happens in the body, but not much in the way of suggestions on to what to do to heal, so I'm off to the next book.)

As you may remember I'm already using the calcs (not as consistently as I'd like, but still using them) and some intermittent ferr phos on my kids for teeth. We're also on TF, CO, doing FCLO, probiotics, water kefir, zinc, magnesium, raw honey before bed, digestive enzymes so much they want to kill me, and, as often as possible, nettle infusions. I've been learning as much as possible about detox and attempting to do what I can in myself, but most of it involves things that taste so horrible I haven't wanted to fight before I really know what I'm doing... My kids seem to be all 3 at different times, but mostly adrenal, and they're getting worse rather than better.

BTW, I just added the magnesium ("Calm" powder) and zinc, but the others I've been doing since Dec.

Well, from one Jessica to another, we're in the same boat. It seems that we pretty much do the same supplements, ferment the same foods, and feel at our wits end! I have heard that looking worse is good at the beginning, though I don't know how long that should last!

I also add in nat sulp (#11) as it is supposed to help with the liver and intestines, and therefore good for food sensitivities, as well as nat phos (#10) to help break down food and help make enzymes.

I've also tried these for detox from wellzymes. We're on our second week of bottle number 1.

And to add to that, from elixirs.com, I've added in small intestine and large intestine (both 30c) as well as liver in 6c.

Your kids may want to kill you with the enzymes. Mine are like baby birds, lol, they see me coming with yet another bottle, and they just open their mouths .

All that said, ds is slightly less constipated, and the puffy dark circles under his eyes are better some days, worse others. Go figure. Perhaps more things are coming out/its working. I don't know!!! Poor guy. I'm going to take him to an osteopath tomorrow.

Naturopath Mom: what does it mean if the circles are like bags under the full eye and dark?

I'll come back to this, for some reason MDC has decided I can have SOME of my notifications, but not all. For the circles-it's in the context of the whole. There needs to be more than just the circle/darkness and the location to lead you to a salt, but I can talk a bit more about that.

I'll come back to this, for some reason MDC has decided I can have SOME of my notifications, but not all. For the circles-it's in the context of the whole. There needs to be more than just the circle/darkness and the location to lead you to a salt, but I can talk a bit more about that.

When you have the edema with it that does add more to the picture.

Yes, it sure does. For a least a month now, I've added in nat mur. cell salt too. Still no puffy reduction. Its quite a puzzle!

Yes, it sure does. For a least a month now, I've added in nat mur. cell salt too. Still no puffy reduction. Its quite a puzzle!

nat mur doesn't generally do much for edema...I have better luck with nat sulph fwiw. the way I think of it is nat mur where there's lack and nat sulph where there's excess....simplistic for sure but in general that tends to be helpful!