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Really interesting tidbit there I had no idea about, thanks for sharing that.

I completely agree with everything you said. I think a lot of Jim's motivational tactics/Belichik-like ruthlessness and stubborness is wearing on guys. Alex Boone alluded to it when Jim was fired from the 49ers--he basically said guys stopped listening to him because he's so insistent on his ways of doing things and rides them so hard.

All of this is made worse by the fact that Harbaugh never gives a real response to anything. I'm an Eagles fan, and this is really starting to feel like the Chip Kelly era circa 2015 is starting to engulf this program.

I have no problem with this, but when it starts to really limit our ability to pull recruits and to retain players then something has to be done.

I'm all for making players work hard and Jim being tough on them, but not to the point that guys actively don't want to come here. I get what you're saying, but at a certain point your idea is just dumb--we'd be losing out on a lot of good players (and, as a result, still losing to guys like OSU and ND) simply to be able to say we don't hand players everything.

I just think it has to be Jim. I don't say that at all lightly, but look at his entire tenure and look at all the weird, random departures of both good players (Solomon, Hudson, Anthony) and good coaches (Wheatley, Enos).

He's the common denominator and, as much as I like Jim, if he's really preventing us from getting/retaining good recruits and good coaches consistently then he has to be shown the door. Immediately. Because never again will OSU and MSU both look this vulnerable--the BIG10 is ours for the taking and we need to seize it, with or without Jim.

Something just stinks with this program. I don't know what it is, but all these kids (Solomon, Harrison, Dax, etc.) can see it.

Maybe it's Jim's attitude? I dunno, but I always think of this weird quote from Alex Boone (former 49ers C when Jim was there) about how Harbaugh "wore out his welcome" with players pretty quickly due to antics and his constant emphasis on each game being "the biggest game."

This staff's inability to finish or close in key situations (big-time recruits, big-time games) is incredibly frustrating. There was a narrative when Harbaugh was hired that he couldn't win "the big one" (lost SB, lost 2 NFC CGs), and I think it's pretty true at this point. We need someone who can actually close--what's the point of winning 10 games or recruiting a 5-star for years if you never actually win or land the recruit?

If you're an out-of-stater like I was, you should at least get an update from admissions before they leave for their Christmas break, which is usually the last Friday before the holiday (so the 21st this year).

Also heavily encourage your son or daughter to send a letter (email) of continued interest to their admissions counselor. If UM is their top choice, I'd even recommend saying that directly.

Other than that, I sadly have no updates or advice. I'm a current senior from out-of-state who applied early action and got deferred in December, before they emailed me randomly in late February/early March with an acceptance. The admissions team is slow but steady, so hopefully your child hears back sooner rather than later. Good luck!

OSU fucking sucks for doing this to a student-athlete over Twitter. Completely unprofessional and ridiculous to act that childishly.

At the same time, Chase has just got to shut up at this point. Talking shit before the game was one thing, but to get blown out while not registering a sack or having any sort of impact on the game should be enough to convince anyone to stop talking. His whole mirage comment was just dumb. It was obvious OSU was going to respond and their response was always going to be better because they won the actual game!

Cut your losses, Chase. Just keep it to yourself and focus on the Draft.

Those are our best wins and Wisco just racked up a 7-win season, so that win was hardly over a powerhouse.

The entire post was well-reasoned and logical, you dumb bitch. You’re just upset at the reality of our program and directing it toward me for actually speaking the truth rather than some bullshit optimism, as everyone else on here is prone to do.

3 of his 4 seasons have 10 wins, not 10+ wins so let’s be clear. Huge difference between going 10-3 and 12-1 or 11-2. Those 1-2 games each year could be a win over OSU or ND, both of which would help bring in more recruits.

Results and receuiting are positive feedback mechanisms—Jimmy’s gotta start showing he can actually win games against teams other than the BIG10 bottom-feeders, then he can recruit better, then he can win titles.

If you’re gonna stay here, start fucking winning. This is now going on Year 5—start making progress or NFL rumors will be the least of your worries (aka being axed).

Start learning from your mistakes and for the love of God institute a spread offense that doesn’t need to huddle or do a silent count every time! ND and OSU losses were so embarassing because our offense was so unprepared to be able to score quickly.

Best way to make a recruit start to forget about the OSU debacle? Absolutely smoke Florida in this game with a real spread offense and a defense that doesn’t continue to play Cover 1 as they get burned over and over.

Sick of everyone on this board thinking that simply because we sucked for a few years under RR and Hoke that we should now be overjoyed we’re paying Jim Saban-level money to go 10-3 every year with a loss to OSU and a good not great recruiting class.

Harbaugh needs to put up or get out. He’s had more than enough time, the team is stacked with his recruits, and the staff is handpicked by him with the help of a money cannon from Warde.

Honestly feels like this program’s recruiting peaked with Harbaugh’s arrival and his first season in 2015.

Since then, we’ve just picked up a bunch of good classes that are filled with, you guessed it, good players. Sure those good players are helpful, but when you don’t develop them and don’t bring in a few elite recruits (like Dax) every few years then you can’t beat elite programs.

Harbaugh needs to make the playoffs next year and beat OSU as part of that. No exceptions. Otherwise, guy can take a hike. Wouldn’t be hard to throw money at someone else to produce good recruiting classes and 10-3 seasons every year.

Someone mentioned this in another thread and after thinking a lot about it I think it’s true—Harbaugh’s inability to develop players here, especially at the QB position, is really disappointing and I think recruits are starting to take notice. Neg me all you want but lets look at the evidence.

QB - outside of helping Rudock to finish strong and for Wilton to be a decent game manager, he’s done next to nothing. Did next to nothing with Shea, nothing with Peters, incredibly little with McCaffrey so far.

HB - here’s where Harbaugh has actually done OK. Did well with Higdon, decent with Evans, but little with De’Veon and nothing with Samuels or Haskins so far.

WR - has done next to nothing with Black, Collins, Oliver Martin. Has done OK with DPJ, but still nothing for any of those guys or for Perry.

TE - did well with Butt but has done next to nothing with Gentry or McKeon. Nothing with Schoonmaker or Muhammad so far.

OL - did OK with Cole and with Ruiz, literally nothing from any of the other guys besides slightly improving Runyan and JBB for the second half of this year.

DL - did nothing with Gary or Vilain, has done little with Paye or Dwumfour.

LB - did great with Bush and Hudson but has done little with Furbush, Gil, or Anthony.

DB - did well with LaVert and Long but has done nothing with Thomas or Metellus.

Jim needs to start actually showing that he’s able to develop and use talent appropriately if he wants good players to come here. You’re kidding yourself if you think every recruit since 2015 hasn’t noticed that Harbaugh has done/did fucking nothing with the two most hyped (and some of the most talented) players from that class in Rashan and Shea. Recruits notice when the #1 recruit in the country finishes his career at DL with less than 10 sacks to show for it and when a 5 star QB is a glorified game manager for a team that is 0-fer against OSU. Start earning your money or just resign already Jim. We’re sick of your failures.

Seems like your argument's pretty weak considering I found more examples of losing in big games in every season, while 3/4 of your wins in big games came in one season. Data is about patterns over time and not winning a big game in 2/4 seasons is pretty sad.

They haven't watched the OSU game film yet? I get that their season just technically ended that game, but what the fuck have these guys been doing? You can't sit there and talk about how you're going to be better next year if you don't even know why your season ended this year.

C'mon Jimmy and co. No one enjoys watching that film but you need to own your mistakes as a staff.

After such a disappointing and injured-filled year (and career) and after last week's debacle, you would think he might want to finish strong and give a good performance for scouts. Sadly, not the case.

Gary will probably be a quality NFL player at the end of the day, but I know some team is going to overdraft him.

Not sure where you got that from but in terms of exposure I think this is pretty terrible.

The game is on the same day as the playoffs so we'll already be overshadowed, plus we've beaten Florida 3 times in the past 4 years already so there's definitely going to be some viewer/fan fatigue on both sides. Also have to realize both teams lack offensive firepower so it's probably going to be a lower scoring matchup, which, again, is less appealing to the average viewer.

To top it all off, I'd argue Florida is one of the worst 9-3 teams out there. Won their two games versus ranked opponents by just a touchdown each, barely beat USC, plus got smoked by Georgia and Mizzou, who isn't all that good.

I can see your point about how, in the context of the entire BIG10 history, co-division championships represent a minor achievement. Still, putting one up just feels like rewarding a good season, rather than a great one.

Especially considering that this was on track to be a great season until the OSU game, putting one up just feels like a way of patting ourselves on the back for getting crushed by OSU essentially. Jack's just wrong here and comes off as naive--we don't need to remind ourselves of what could have been with this team.

They certainly have better players and coaches, but that's not what determines a win every year (see OSU-Purdue, almost OSU-Maryland this year).

Rather, I think it's a combination of all these things--not only does OSU have elite talent being schemed up by elite coaches, but they're also constantly preparing for the rivalry.

Someone on here mentioned the other day that Shea admitted he only started watching OSU film during game week, while Haskins said he's been following UM on film all year. I don't know if it's necessarily them "valuing" the rivalry more, but I'd say it's clear they're certainly preparing more and preparing longer than we are.

Just bizarre to everyone, I think, he didn't take the Louisville job. Yeah he's building something in Indiana, but he's only been there two years and Louisville's got a better foundation for long-term program success (more $, more athletic alums, more past successes like Lamar, etc.)

No clue why Hudson or Gentry would even think about entering the draft. Hudson's a guy without a natural NFL position/usage, and Gentry can't catch a ball to save his life. Kinda obvious from Sam there frankly.

Bottom line is we will never be able to truly match up with teams like OSU, Clemson, Bama, etc. in the CFP without a spread offense. To win those games, you have to have an offense that can win a shootout if need be--controlling the clock and putting up a few points just isn't enough anymore.

The night after the ND loss, I was at Jug sharing a pitcher with a couple friends. We hung around for a while, but toward the middle of the night we saw Gentry come in with a few girls and take a booth. Drank next to all of us miserable wrecks drowning our sorrows from the game he played in not maybe 24 hours earlier. Big smile on his face, not a care in the world the whole time we saw him.

Basically, I hate people who don't fully commit to the team. Whether it be group projects, sports, or whatever, I cannot stand when people don't pull their own weight. One weak link can be the beginning of a break. Can't have that.

That's just not true. Our line was fine during Speight's first season--granted not very good but serviceable.

During both seasons, Harbaugh didn't fully utilize his weapons. Yes Butt had a good season but you can't watch the OSU or Iowa games under Rudock and tell me that Harbaugh used them to their full potential because, if he did, we would have actually won them.

This is the most accurate representation of our offensive struggles. Even when we've have a competent O-line in the past, Harbaugh still hasn't used our best offensive weapons (Butt, Darboh, etc.) to their maximum potential. For whatever reason the guy just can't get Bo's cock out of his mouth and change the program's offensive philosophy that is straight out of the 20th century.

Fucking fire Jim already. Guy is a complete loser who has never been able to win the big game going back to Stanford.

We can pay so many other coaches 7M a year for 9-10 wins and a blowout loss to OSU. Plus, then we'll never have to put up with his bullshit press conferences where he looks even more terrified than he did today.

What a pathetic performance by a so-called "Michigan Man." You're not Bo. Get over it.

Would've been in-line to start literally next year now he has to go to another school, entirely re-start, sit out a year, then hope he gets a starting position. Just baffling, but glad we got rid of someone who's not committed to the program and to winning. Get that weak ass shit out of here and over to IU or another bottom-feeder program.