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Yesterday (September 10), Wayne sat down with Katie Couric on her show Katie to talk about being a father, his time in jail, his seizure scare and his inevitable retirement.

This isn’t the first time Wayne has decided to get real with Katie. In 2009–while she was still the lead anchor on the CBS Evening News–Wayne flaunted his OG status: “I’m a gangster Miss Katie…I don’t take nothing from no one, I do what I want to do and i’m going to do that until the day I die. And if I can’t do that, then I’ll just die.” Wayne even joked with the host about the infamous line.

But this time around, Wayne seemed a bit more lucid and less interested in playing tough. He revealed that his seizures earlier this year were due to “dehydration, working too much, lack of sleep.” He also revealed that he is “sort of epileptic,” and that he probably has been since he was a child recalling a story where he fainted on the playground.