Dom, don't you think Torino must be directly after Paraguay because of the dates? Dec. 3 in one and Dec. 4 in the other. Then we must have missed at least three legs between there and the possible Nepal.

Well teams took a night flight on the 2nd from Sao Paulo, landing very early on the 3rd. Teams were seen checking in in Torino late on the 4th. Teams would have to be racing for the entire day on the 3rd before finding an hours of operation to continue racing on the 4th.

I agree, it's a very tight schedule, but I'm not sure a single leg would have an equalising night flight and an hours of operation.

How about a TBC in Italy? I can't see flight stats for December 3rd to figure out how to get from Munich to Rome or something on that day.

That definitely sounds likely! Although we had another pretty quick rest between Legs 1 & 2.. Perhaps they're just trying to speed it up this season? I'd love to know where teams were on the 3rd. It would clear a lot of things up for sure!

There are direct flights from Milan to Baku, although they arrive at night. You can get from Baku to Dar Es Salaam or Nairobi via London, Dubai, Frankfurt, Amsterdam, or Paris. Nairobi then has good connections to most of Asia.

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I see that you are the original source of the 40,000 miles (from CBS) estimated for AR20. Somebody (and I cannot find the post so I am not sure who, although it may have been you) suggested that a verification of CBS figures would be useful. I can't do that yet for AR20, but I can for AR19. I spent the time to find the mileage for each leg of AR19. Now, everyone needs to be aware that a big part of the difference between the real distance and a direct nonstop estimate of mileage is due to connecting points for air travel not being on the shortest route line. However, that is not the biggest part of the discrepancy, which is that air miles are nautical miles, 15% longer than statute (land) miles. So I believe that in its calculations CBS takes the air miles and multiplies them by 1.15. If you do that you come out close to reconciling the numbers. Here are mine, with air miles marked by A and statue miles marked by S:

I see that you are the original source of the 40,000 miles (from CBS) estimated for AR20. Somebody (and I cannot find the post so I am not sure who, although it may have been you) suggested that a verification of CBS figures would be useful. I can't do that yet for AR20, but I can for AR19. I spent the time to find the mileage for each leg of AR19. Now, everyone needs to be aware that a big part of the difference between the real distance and a direct nonstop estimate of mileage is due to connecting points for air travel not being on the shortest route line. However, that is not the biggest part of the discrepancy, which is that air miles are nautical miles, 15% longer than statute (land) miles. So I believe that in its calculations CBS takes the air miles and multiplies them by 1.15. If you do that you come out close to reconciling the numbers. Here are mine, with air miles marked by A and statue miles marked by S:

The CBS mileage estimates have been driving people crazy since the beginning 10 years ago. That they're converting everything to statute miles to explain the often-observed discrepancy makes a lot of sense -- as there were seasons where it seemed as if CBS had substituted kilometers for miles and labeled the result as miles.

Hopefully someone will give the prior seasons a go at some point and see if we can match up the mileage to fit whatever miles Phil tells the winning team on the final mat season after season.

If Elizabeth saw four teams arriving at Rome FCO while boarding an EasyJet flight to Geneva on the morning of 4 Dec, Bavaria could not have been Leg Four.

Docol saw teams checking in at Asuncion on 2 Dec at 5.23pm. The quickest way they can get to Neuschwanstein Castle in Fussen is:PZ 712 from Asuncion to Sao Paulo: 1800-2117JJ 8070 from Sao Paulo to Frankfurt: 2325-3/1514Minimum 15min for customs and getting car: 1514-1532Drive from Frankfurt to Fussen: 1532-1923Minimum 15min for tasks and Pit Stop: 1923-1938

Now even if we assume a TBC and teams have to go straight to Rome:Drive from Fussen to Munich: 1938-2130Minimum 30min to purchase tickets and check in: 2130-2200

The only flights that leave after 10pm from Munich are... Hong Kong and Moscow. The earliest flight the next day to Rome gets them in at 11.00am, too late for Elizabeth to see them before she leaves at 9.50am. A connection through Frankfurt to get them into Rome earlier requires a 23min layover, which I don't think any team, let alone four of them, would try.

There's the absurd leg planning that would have teams travel by land all the way back to Frankfurt for the 7.25am flight to Rome. A train would require teams to leave at 8.33pm (giving them at most 1h10 for racing), and driving would require teams to leave at 3.02am (giving them 7h24 to perform all tasks at Fussen). There's also the possibility of teams driving to Zurich for a 7.20am flight to Rome (giving teams 8h30 at Fussen).

Alright, sure - so driving to Frankfurt or Zurich is technically possible. But what would the logic be in having teams fly to Frankfurt, drive four hours to Fussen, to not have a Pit Stop, then driving another three hours to another airport to get to Rome, when their final destination is Turin? Or the logic in not using the Munich airport, which has direct flights the next morning to Turin, Milan, and Rome?

Add that to the fact that if Bavaria is Leg Four, it would take place entirely at night, which would make the leg a complete waste of scenery. TPTB can be mad sometimes, but not this mad. The Bavaria leg has to take place after the Turin leg.

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