Well if this is Hockeydad, we are all in trouble here with him posting.

If he decides to stay, we will be hit with filthy words and disgusting threats, etc. This happened here before, years ago, but they all left for ***. With the exception of Mel and John Frank, we don't need those guys over here! I swear to God. Those are the ones I asked Janine about when I first started on here.

Look out! They don't talk horses. They just offer filth over and over.

Not every one over there talks filth~~`Try not to lump every poster together~~~

and i would hope those in charge of private forums would consider what it is, liberty.ownership and management require responsibilities to inherit and consistently implement practically our countries constitutional believes,whether or not they are personally agreeable. some things as principles are greater than, and serve more moral purpose when viewed from the agregate, than the persoanl dersires of the individual.freedom of speech, a personal liberty, should never be infringed upon, unless the personal safety of the corpus is at stake. that is the principle we abide by in america. we cannot pick and choose which freedoms we like and adhere too and which we ignore.and violate, i like affirmative action, so i will implement that, but i wont let the people complain...that is not my america. liberty is a solid rocket booster without a throttle...ignite the whole package and live under the umbrella of all its boundaries. an umbrella with holes punched in, for the sake of individual belief, is not much protection from the weather.

these boards require a certain amount of adversity to make them marketable.sad as it is, people like to see car wrecks.

Not everyone wants to be responsible for, belong to, or read, a forum that descends to the lowest common denominator of free speech behavior, like "that other forum". It's Janine's forum and she makes the rules about the behavior she expects from the participants. The forum members then have to decide if that's for them.

I doubt she really cares about it being "marketable", either.

The issues of "rights" like liberty and freedom apply to the public arena, and to what our politicians do - not to private businesses or forums. You would not, for instance, last long in a private business like a restaurant or casino if you started cursing at the top of your lungs, or bullying/harassing the other patrons. You could not enter the lobby of a private building and do that. Even the public comments sections of that bastion of free speech newspapers require a certain standard of behavior and language.

There is a convenient little "ignore" button one can use to filter by his or her own choice.

Free speech is essential in the public arena of politics. As for private forums, if the owner has some behavior rules, it is up to the guests to behave.

I look at is this way - If I'm hosting a party at my house, and someone starts screaming obscenities, or calling the other guests names and bullying them, what's my choice of action: Tell all the other guests to cover their ears if they don't like it, or ask the offender to behave or leave?

You can also express anything of actual substance you really want to say without obscenities, namecalling, or bullying.

Wonderful, and a very knowledgeable T-bred guy is now gone cause of this.

Sorry, but I was told many times before that a certain poster was not to be criticized as well( More than 1 ) and now someone who knows a lot with the breeders cup coming up, is now gone Guess it is better to take care of the idiots still then keep knowledgeable people around. UNREAL...

Wonderful, and a very knowledgeable T-bred guy is now gone cause of this.

Sorry, but I was told many times before that a certain poster was not to be criticized as well( More than 1 ) and now someone who knows a lot with the breeders cup coming up, is now gone Guess it is better to take care of the idiots still then keep knowledgeable people around. UNREAL...

And just who do you think it was HV was told to lay off, Pezz? And why?

I actually know. I took HV's challenge, and emailed Janine. And hint: It was not ONE poster.

And just who do you think it was HV was told to lay off, Pezz? And why?

I actually know. I took HV's challenge, and emailed Janine. And hint: It was not ONE poster.

Well Terry when I was here before I was sent a Pm telling me to not comment on anything Journalstuff posted. Must be family cause if you said anything about him it got deleted and then the p.m came. I talked to HV about this after he started the thread and he said the same thing so someone is lying to YOU. And it is not me. And now he is gone cause of this shit probably of his own doing just like I did and the forum is worse off for it.

Doesn't matter if people agree with anything he said he was a quality poster, and you 2 were on the same side of many arguments in the past and now someone who actually knows the game after 11 years of being here is gone and you don't see a problem?? Let's just run everyone off who ever spent quality time here and let idiots like journal who has no *** clue what he is talking about make post after post about anything and he is wrong 90% of the time unless he copied it or read it at blood horse. Not a wise decision imo

I came back cause I wanted to because I wanted insight on the people here for the upcoming breeders Cup and this was the first forum I ever signed up for and said I'll give it another chance. IMO, the people who have stayed for the longest time are now the ones that get piled on for doing what they have always done. There was Me, Phil, Goodfella and Burton on the harness side after the big exodus to that other place and there was 2 posts a day unless we started a gambling thread. Now you have a free for all and it is ok and if you call them out on what they are saying we get talked to. Like I said I am here and Ill put up with it, but I wonder how long my post in the martin Garcia thread will stay up???

Well Terry when I was here before I was sent a Pm telling me to not comment on anything Journalstuff posted. Must be family cause if you said anything about him it got deleted and then the p.m came. I talked to HV about this after he started the thread and he said the same thing so someone is lying to YOU.

No, they're not lying. j-stuff was one of the names I got, too. I also doubt you were warned not to comment on anything ... more likely you were warned not to attack and abuse him ... (am I correct?) ... like I found out I was right about what really happened up at the top of this thread .

Doubt he is Janine's "family", either.

But now, let me ask you, based on the rationale I got for this, if you've got a poster who is mostly polite and non-confrontational like j-stuff normally is, do you think it wrong of Janine to warn others to NOT bully and abuse him just because they don't like his posts?

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And it is not me. And now he is gone cause of this shit probably of his own doing just like I did and the forum is worse off for it.

Well, that's certainly your opinion.

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Doesn't matter if people agree with anything he said he was a quality poster, and you 2 were on the same side of many arguments in the past and now someone who actually knows the game after 11 years of being here is gone and you don't see a problem??

As far as I know, HV voluntarily quit posting because he didn't like his hand slapped, like has happened before. Do you know different?

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Let's just run everyone off who ever spent quality time here and let idiots like journal who has no *** clue what he is talking about make post after post about anything and he is wrong 90% of the time unless he copied it or read it at blood horse. Not a wise decision imo

Maybe HV should just put j-stuff on ignore, instead of trying to single handedly trying to save us all from posters like j-stuff? This is nothing than more of that same sort of "him or me" soap opera crapola that the harness forum made famous.

The problem here is that RULES should be posted for all to read instead of sending private emails to a select few. I am limiting my posting here for the Triple Crown races and the Breeders Cup due to censorship. Just so I won't offend the privileged few, post their names for all to see. Horsevoice is in the right here.

The problem here is that RULES should be posted for all to read instead of sending private emails to a select few. I am limiting my posting here for the Triple Crown races and the Breeders Cup due to censorship. Just so I won't offend the privileged few, post their names for all to see. Horsevoice is in the right here.

Mel, good to see you back!!!!!! Stick around, this place is gonna be boring with HV gone. We need people who like to keep certain posters in check.

I didn't know HorseVoice quit! And I would like him to stay. We had out differences but always ended them fine, in my opinion. And he sure does add a lot of good knowledge to learn from.

So HV is gone from the board. Sorry to see that, I liked his posts, although I did not always agree with him. His posts had a lot of bite to them and that is good. We are in need of good posters here, especially intelligent ones.

I do not believe in "protecting" people who post on forums, whether they be kids, women, or sensitive souls. Anybody who puts their thoughts in this part of the cyberspace is an open target. They should know that. I appreciate the soapbox that Janine has given us and she has the right to do what she wants with it, but I would hope that she would give people the lattitude to lay it all out on whatever topic is going. Using bad language and saying hurtful things is not nice, but those attacked have the right to flame back, ignore, or leave.

How can I get HV back? Maybe I should say something bad about the people of Stickney and the Southside or I could bash Hawthorne. That got him going after me the first time. Well, I hope he will reconsider.

Wait, wasn't it said that Terry and him are the same guy? Maybe he is still with us in the personal of Terry.

Wait, wasn't it said that Terry and him are the same guy? Maybe he is still with us in the personal of Terry.

He's in my personal?

I object!

It's interesting to me that the most popular (by far) racing forum on the Internet, PA, is run with a strict no-nonsense philosophy, and NONE of this cursing/abuse/namecalling "free speech" baloney people constantly complain about getting censored here is tolerated one iota. How does that forum go anywhere, without "free speech"?

Who ever knows him, get him back here. I won't even argue with him. Well almost never. I don't think I've EVER presumed to know more than he does about horse racing, so I am sure I never started something with him on that subject.

Who ever knows him, get him back here. I won't even argue with him. Well almost never. I don't think I've EVER presumed to know more than he does about horse racing, so I am sure I never started something with him on that subject.

I really don't think you arguing with him was the issue. Guys don't quit in a huff and delete their userid over that.

WEll I never presumed to think it was argueing with me per se. But he never seemed like the kind of guy to leave in a huff. He stood up for himself and I am just surprised. He even said he'd try to take it easy on a certain person. I gave him a lot of credit for that. Bigtime.

It's interesting to me that the most popular (by far) racing forum on the Internet, PA, is run with a strict no-nonsense philosophy, and NONE of this cursing/abuse/namecalling "free speech" baloney people constantly complain about getting censored here is tolerated one iota. How does that forum go anywhere, without "free speech"?

Oh, well, I made it to the last line of the post before the typo. What is this PA forum?