Child abuse scandal can of worms – just who is Daily Mail reporter David Rose?

“Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive“- Sir Walter Scott

Today the Mail on Sunday did a hatchet job on the child abuse victim Steven Messham in an attempt to discredit him as a witness after he mistakenly identified Lord McAlpine as his attacker – a mistake which it now seems was a direct result of misleading information given to him by North Wales Police.

I make no apology for telling you my heart went out to Mr Messham when I read the Mail on Sunday piece attacking him. It seemed to me he was being abused all over again.

The article in the Mail on Sunday is clearly an attempt on the part of sections of the British establishment to strike back at allegations which potentially could bring down some of its most powerful members, and Mr Messham is probably just collateral damage in their eyes.

But what’s most interesting for me about the disgusting article is its author – a man called David Rose.

Who is he?

Oh what a can of worms that question turns out to be.

David Rose seems to be what is known by some people in the trade as a ‘fixer’.

‘Fixers’ obviously ‘fix’ things – in his case, Rose specialises in ‘fixing’ tricky problems which are inconveniencing parts of the more conservative parts of the establishment – by using spin, disinformation and pure lies.

In fact, he’s been specialising in discrediting victims who have accused establishment figures of child abuse for some years now, as well as trying to discredit child abuse investigations as a whole – see here and here.

But interestingly, Rose is also a major player in the disinformation campaign being waged by powerful oil interests and right-wing politicians keen to deny the human causes of climate change.

As well as the disinformation campaign that was waged before the invasion of Iraq – see here.

OK. So the person responsible for the disgraceful attack on one of the child abuse victims in today’s Mail on Sunday is a batshit-crazy, climate-change denying establishment fixer in the pay of a powerful right-wing establishment.

Probably.

However, it seems there may be more than one journalist called David Rose. And some people in the industry are not even all that sure whether David Rose actually even exists at all. David Allen Green, writer of the ‘Jack of Kent’ blog tells me ‘his’ David Rose definitely doesn’t exist – see his blog here.

On the other hand, according to the indefatigable Ian Bone – he does exist because he tells me he actually met Rose way back in 1985 – see Ian’s blog about it here.

I think before we allow the reputation of a brave survivor of child sexual abuse to be trashed, we should know exactly who his accuser is, don’t you?

So will the real David Rose please stand up? Come out come out David, whoever you are.

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For more information on the disinformation campaign being waged to discredit child abuse investigations, see Rico Sorda’s excellent blog here:

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Reblogged this on Guy Debord's Cat and commented:
Excellent blog from Pride’s Purge that pretty much follows on from yesterday’s blog about the establishment backlash. The Tories are well versed in the art of disinformation, spin and smears. The Conservative Research Department’s job, among other things, is to find dirt on their opponents and to cover up inconvenient truths.

That is very interesting ……but I also agree that to use Mr Messham this way is to abuse him all over again. How the focus of concern keeps disappearing from the abused to the accused (if dead) and excused (if alive) is very much what children who are abused by adults feel,,,,,that you can not trust the adult world around you, that the world is controlled by secrecy and lies, and that ultimately you are powerless and if you were to tell anyone what is happening they would either not believe you or they would punish you. If anyone should be apologising in media it is this writer and to the real victims in all this.

its as if the worlds gone mad whot about the man and those who where abused by people its not good enough news they can and do turn around to suit whilst this persons gets abused again disgusting and they all should hang their heads in shame for making him out a lier news na guuter press jeff3

How is it Justice for anyone until the facts have been established and supposition just follows supposition….Truth should be the victor not opinion or even assumption and in order for that to happen people have to come to their senses not propagate the Lynch Mob’s blood lust!

I’m confused. In the Jack Of Kent blog you link to it says “I am happy to point out that “David Rose” is not the David Rose who is Assistant News Editor of The Times, or the David Rose, formerly of the Guardian, Observer and BBC, and who currently writes for the Mail on Sunday and Vanity Fair”. The Mail’s Rose seems to have written all kinds of articles for them. So are you saying the Mail journalist also works as a ‘fixer’?

I know what you mean about being confused.
I think the Jack of Kent blogger is just covering himself from being sued by denying he’s talking about specific ‘David Roses’ at the beginning of his article.
I’ve seen an article where the ‘Mail’ David Rose actually admits himself he’s the ‘Observer’ David Rose.

thankyou for this great bit of research. I was sickened to see a victim of child abuse being forced to make a public apology to someone he didn’t even name. I am even more disgusted by the vile mail on sunday hack job on him.

Unfortunately david rose does exist – I met him in 1985 when he was spreading disinformation as usual…….he even outed himself in the New statesman a few years back as a security services patsy…see more at http://www.ianbone.wordpress.com

Tom i keep telling you i wish you would listen. This is clearly the spooks dept at ‘mfi’ its got all their fingerprints written all over it. Remember thar report i sent you and the funny club members. ??

Messham did NOT make a mistake based on a police error. The fact is he has been questioned about this before and could not provide a coherent answer then. Whatever makes you think he could do so 10 years later? How do you explain that he claimed on TV that this person had rung him up, told him who he was, and threatened him?
It’s no good you getting upset, belatedly, that a damaged man has been put in a situation that can only damage him further. All because Angus Stickler was chasing a story he should have known over a decade ago was never going to court. The lot of you should be ashamed of yourselves, the whole conspiracy rentamob briefly took over the entire friggin asylum.
And what did it take to stop it? One man to say ‘libel’ softly.

I am one of the Staffordshire Pindown child abuse survivors. I have written to all the politicians about the Pindown abuse and cover up, and not many of them seem to care, only one or two like Clare Short and I think she didnt really know what the hell to do about it.

If the spooks are spying on activist groups which they are as youve seen the evidence does it not follow that they would do this discredit shit on someone in order to keep quiet the shit with the establishment?

Sorry to hog it but this is important as well, because David Rose, Bob Woffinden (one of Jonathan Kings friends) and Richard Webster were the three dodgy journalists who trashed the Haut de la Garenne police investigation, and all three were on that 2002 Select Committee with David Scameron, who seems to have completly forgotten all about it!

Let us all keep our powder dry here in the blogsphere.
The exchange of ideas on the net is clearly an irritant to the political spinners and legal smoke shovellers…
This is where the centre of gravity is for meaningful journalism and intellectual conscience
My heart felt thanks to Tim Berners Lee for bringing us the notable blogging talents and politically aware people of the world!

That’s a different David Rose. There are a few: Johann Hari’s imaginary one, one from the Mail on Sunday, formerly of The Times who didn’t write this article (@drosemos), and one who freelances at the Mail on Sunday, also writes for Vanity Fair who did write this article. Then there was the fake blogger who pretended to die.

Its not just the who. Its the why. Because its all a smokescreen to cover up something thats for sure. Another mac was named and similar location to him named and dismissed. Point is this? Why? And why are ppl running scared of this family so much. Do they own the planet or something? Oh wait.. They are builders…

There are definitely a few David Roses who are not all the same, as you say.
Funny you mention the fake blogger who also used the same name ‘David Rose’. Could ‘David Rose’ be a kind of ‘in-joke’ meaning hidden or fake story? ‘Sub Rosa’?
Just a thought.

Yes but what is the deal with the mac family. An industrialist, a rap singer and others that have made them a ‘special ‘ lot . And anything said about them must be shot down in flames. Was the journo here a mate of jonathan king as is suggested? Again whats the deal with the mac family? Or is it anyone further up the food chain ie establishment? Are some business deals gonna be affected? There usually is.

And you can forget this ‘bloodlust’ or ‘frenzy’ stuff. Theres serious stuff going on. What was going on whilst this story being talked about? Oh the NHS being totally privatised by secret commitees etc. so no worries there. Remember the art of distraction.

I am so angry right now after that faily mail shit and the mellor thing. Got messages from mr messham . That poor man is gling through fucking hell right now its painful to read. I hope those bastards will hang there head in dhame

Why didnt andrew mcneil rebuke mellor for that ‘weirdo’ remark? Just carried on without batting an eyelid? Mr messham is going through hell at the moment .. Painful it is. Bastards the whole item was bbc bashing and in some cases labour bashing too. Tom watson who got the original allegations got a bashing from mc neil too. He sent his findings to police which is what he should have done , whats his position in the labour party got to do with it? Ffs…

I think XXXXXX is hiding something and is probably a XXXXXX and I don’t care whether I get sued for it! Thoughts are not crimes yet are they? Interesting ‘art and antiques’ he collects – and his little B&B ‘secluded retreat’ for the wealthy is surreal in the context of all the rumours – a converted convent, with no TV’s and complete isolation at 300+ quid a night? Some of the ‘reviews’ are quite revealing.

@ghosts what you make pf this mellor remark? Why didnt mcneil tell him off. And why attack tom watson on tv cos of his position in party?? Whats that about? TW took his findings to police like he should have done. Whats wrong with that? That whole item stunk..,

Tom ive tweeted you stuff from mr messham and its painful to read. Why didnt mcneil tebuke mellor with that disgusting remark out mr messham. All i hear is mud slinging against against labour and bbc….

@Ghosts u have no idea what mr messham is going through whilst everyone wets their pants cos of some rich prick..,and discredited MPs call an abuse victim disgusting names.. And moan about the severance pay of some bod at BBC …

what rubbish. Are you seriously trying to tell us that Meesham , after all this time, after setting up a ‘child abuse charity’ from which large amounts of money disappeared, after being involved with self appointed experts, could not identify his alleged attacker himself?.

Meesham knew what he was doing- ti wasn;t a mistake. He set out to destroy (and probably has) a totally innocent ,man.

No. In the early 1990s, he was shown a picture of his attacker which he identified correctly. The police told him it was Lord McAlpine which it wasn’t.
Not surprising his attacker didn’t introduce himself formally and tell him his exact name while he was raping him.

Purely done to debase and descredit other witnesses, – “If Messham can be mistaken, then so can so and so…” Mental ill people haven’t a chance to be heard or believed, and why they are also picked. – It’s probably the case Messham has been threatened, as how can you make such a mistake about the person whose buggered you?

With virtually all those involved being members of the very same secret societies, – this is the ‘real’ reason there are foot soldiers out there to help undermind whatever scandals arise that might involve one of ‘their own’ This is an extract from Stephen Knight’s book; The Brotherhood, it gives clear evidence as to how the judicial system close ranks and why anyone unfortunate enough to cross their paths are up against it and need our help; – Christopher, a senior Whitehall Civil Servant and Freemason explained that Masonry’s nationwide organisation of men from most walks of life provided one of the most efficient private intelligence networks ever imaginable. Private information on anybody in the country could normally be accessed very rapidly through endless permutations of Masonic contacts – police, magistrates, solicitors, bank managers, Post Office staff, [very useful in supplying copies of a man’s mail, and especially if you say the “target” is a sex offender – Julian Assange comes to mind [1]], doctors, government employee, bosses of firms and nationalised industries etc., and a dossier of personal data could be built up on anybody very quickly.

When the major facts of an individual’s life were known, areas of vulnerability would become apparent. Perhaps he is in financial difficulties; perhaps he has some social vice – if married he might retain a mistress or have proclivity for visiting prostitutes; perhaps there is something in his past he wishes keep buried, some guilty secret, a criminal offence [easily obtainable through Freemason police of doubtful virtue], or other blemish on his character: all these and more could be discovered via the wide-ranging Masons network of 600,000 contacts [2] [this number has perhaps increased by at least a third since this article was originally written in 1984, though it’s normally accepted by the UGLE that there are 400,000 members in the UK, though as I say, I believe the figure to be much higher. Perhaps Knight was also referring to other Freemasons further abroad, or other affiliations such as the Rotarians, Odd Fellows etc.], a great many of whom were disposed to do favours for one another because that had been their prime motives for joining.

Even decent Masons could often be conned into providing information on the basis that: “Brother Smith needs this to help the person involved”. The adversary would even sometimes be described as a fellow Mason to the Brother from whom information was sought perhaps someone with access to his bank manager or employer. The good Mason would not go to the lengths of checking with Freemasons Hall whether or not this was so. The “target” was presented as a “Brother” in distress by a fellow Freemason, especially a fellow Lodge member that would be enough for any upright member of the Craft. Sometimes this information gathering process – often involving a long chain of Masonic contacts all over the country and possibly abroad – would be unnecessary. Enough would be known in advance about the adversary to initiate any desired action against him. I asked how this action might be taken. “Solicitors are very good at it” said Christopher. “Get your man involved in something legal – it need not be serious – and you have him”. Solicitors, I was told, are past masters at causing endless delays, generating useless paperwork, ignoring instructions, running up immense bills, misleading clients into taking decisions damaging to themselves, [and this I can vouch for, and one of the reasons I dislike and don’t trust many people of the so called ‘legal fraternity’], Masonic police can harass, arrest on false charges, and plant evidence. “A businessman in a small community or person in public office arrested for dealing in child pornography, for indecent exposure, or for trafficking in drugs is at the end of the line”, said Christopher. “He will never work again. Some people have committed suicide after experiences of that kind”.

Freemason’s can bring about the situation where credit companies and banks withdraw credit facilities from individual clients and tradesmen, said my informant. Bank can foreclose. People who rely on the telephone for their work can be cut off for long periods. Masonic employees of local authorities can arrange for a person’s drains to be inspected and extensive damage to be reported, thus burdening the person with huge repair bills; workmen carrying out the job can find – in reality cause – further damage. Again with regard to legal matters, a fair hearing is hard to get when a man in ordinary circumstances is in financial difficulties. If he is trying to fight a group of unprincipled Freemasons skilled in using the ‘network’ it will be impossible because “Masonic Department of Health and Social Security and Law Society officials can delay applications for Legal Aid endlessly. [3] Employers, if they are Freemasons or not can be given private information about a man who has made himself an enemy of Masonry. At worst he will be dismissed or consistently passed over for promotion”. Christopher added.

“Masonic doctors can also be used. But for some reason doctors seem to be the least corruptible men. Only the fighters have any hope of beating the system once it’s at work against them”, he told me. “Most people, fighters or not, are beaten in the end, though. It’s . . . you see, I … you finish up not knowing who you can trust. You can get no help because your story sounds so paranoid that you are thought a crank, one of those nuts who think the whole world is a conspiracy against them. It is a strange phenomenon. By setting up a situation that most people will think of as fantasy, these people can poison every part of a person’s life. If they give in they go under. If they don’t give in its only putting off the day because if they fight, so much unhappiness will be brought to the people around them that there will likely come a time when even their families turn against them out of desperation. When that happens and they are without friends wherever they look, they become easy meat. The newspapers will not touch them. – There is no defence against an evil which only the victims and the perpetrators know exists”. Christopher – Senior Whitehall Civil Servant and Freemason – Quoted in Stephen Knight’s book: The Brotherhood, 1984.

wolfit or webster is a mate of jonathan king..and are connected to ‘false memory soceity’ cameron was on that panel david rose is mi5 bod…its a whitewak ops thing to dscredit anyone who accuses establishment basically

William Hague, the then Secretary of State for Wales, announced in 1996 a judicial inquiry into abuse in North Wales children’s homes, he described it as one of the “saddest chapters” in the history of social care and insisted there would be “no cover up”. Yet it was. He announced that a “senior figure” would investigate “truly dreadful” child abuse claims some of which involved a senior Tory figure who was prominent under the Thatcher regime. But he didn’t.

mr pide this is your 2nd david rose seace and dissist anonce ment.
these last few weeks have been a living waking horror for my cleeunt and frend david rammer rose.
suicide has been mentioned as an option butt i say david youmust stand erect and turgid and strong or no payday awayday.
we cannot sue if you snuff it init.
rock hard manleyness is required bulldog spirit wot wot thats my dave.
leave the flacid limp weakness for twitterroist bloggererors.
my fend and clleunt david has more spunk and juice than any man eye know.
and as phillip marlowe once said to lizabethan queen elisabeth the 1st.
“Quod me nutrit, me destruit” the jewish translation is
ohhvay what kills me makes me stronger init and that is davids life motto.
and so mr pide this hounding of innocent men must stop.
it is time for david to take his white lodge glooves off and get ready for a bloody fight.
to the nut job bloggers who commented that my clie unt has attended eyes wide shut parties.
that is false.
the suggestion that mr rose was smeared in waste excrement from a popular boy band and that he was the victim of an 8 hour ding batting episode that left him
shit faced and twattered for 2 hole days is also a filthy anti semenetic lie.

david arronovitch dobieitch and melanee phillips,martin a miss and lord george monbiot and many other common purpose mi5 assets are fully behind david rose at this sad time.
not just watching his back but working his front as well.
mr pide please contact are office to work out the on the spot fine fees for bismirsch ching honor rabble men.

sorry about the poor quality of the writing but i am drunk and will soon need help with the toillette.
lucky for me, the athenium club has the most helpful young male helpers although last week one of the blighters did spill some of my urine on my trousers.
he tried to put it away before i had finished damn fool.

People who worked in the construction industry who reported health abd safety breaches were fitted up and reported as being something akin to enemy of the state , maybe a trained KGB agent , that was the state of delusion in the estaishment , the reality was that if skip health and safety you can get the job done quicker. So what if someone falls to their death from a building site. What for me it shows is that large corporations with vested interest will use the services of secret agencies. And in doing so will hide and obscure any misdeeds on their part.

Former Conservative Councillor Malcolm Johnson who is co-ordinator of the Association Of Child Abuse Lawyers disgusted viewers on Newsnight last year when he objected to any further inquiry into the abuse. His old firm folded up after he had to pay out compensation for the distress caused by his service in respect of child abuse litigation but he has managed to get employed at Blake Lapthorn Solicitors. Why did this ex Tory Councillor not want this sickening abuse investigated?