I am nominating Guardians of the YRC for historical group status for the following reasons: it was mostly due to their contribution that Yagoton was one of the safest suburbs in Malton at that time. Also, they were the first group to publicly protest against the RG. Lastly, the group founder, Gasbanit brought Urbandead notoriety in the blogosphere.Axel27 13:51, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Against - Oh, I say. Who were these fellows again? --Adward 16:20, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Against - After a very interesting read, it has to be said, I can't find much that makes the group noteworthy other than it is built off Zerging. Which is bad. --RahrahCome join the #party!16:21, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

SA, we've talked about this before. Despite the fact that they both have a hive mind, the Zerg in StarCraft are not the same as the ones in Urban Dead. You really should know better by now. —Aichon— 00:52, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Against - Frankly I'm surprised anybody remembered this, much less considered it worthy of historical status. The GoYRC, in the end, was nothing but smoke, mirrors and zerglings, propped up by multiple network connections and an overzealous wiki presence. As I said in the post so graciously linked above, I never came back to UD, and I still take full (unapologetic) responsibility for my actions. Nice to see the game is still suffering from the same brokeassedness it was when I turned down the dark path, though. Reaffirms, in my mind, I did the right thing, have no regrets, and was also right not to "go straight" and keep playing with a new character. Honestly, you guys can just delete the GoYRC page for all I care, but hey, Axel, thanks for the gesture. If any of you are playing Warhammer Online on Gorfang, look me up. I run a guild there, and I promise I'm not playing multiple accounts ;) --Gasbandit(Talk | GoYRC) Invalid sig -- boxytalk • teh rulz 05:57 5 December 2009 (BST)

You're welcome, bro. You played an important part in UD history and I think everyone should acknowledge that.Axel27 08:27, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Congrats doesn't use an apostrophe; it's an exception to the rule. CyberbobTalk 11:36, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

"Congrats" is slang, so it isn't an exception to the rule; it's an intentional, but common, departure from the rule. Technically, he's correct, since it is a contraction, but I've never seen it done that way. —Aichon— 11:46, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations is plural, when shortening you do not add an apostrophe or it would indicate a possessive. -- ..<== DDR Approved Editor 12:34, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

It's only a plural when used as a noun; it is more commonly used as an interjection. CyberbobTalk 12:36, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Can everyone give it a fucking rest? Boxy was obviously wrong, the question is, why is everyone's attention being drawn to something so trivial when the user is just as bad at English as those he preaches against? --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 12:39, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

I invite you to explain why you are obeying these rules constitutes a difference with Cheese's rules explains the difference between what you're saying and precedence's example. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 12:42, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Are you aware of how drunk I was when I wrote that? Jesus, I'm surprised I didn't accidentally stick it in an email to whoever the President was back then. -- ..<== DDR Approved Editor 12:50, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

So you keep professing; no fucking excuse. I am drunk off my tits right now and even the worst english-speaking noobs, when drunk, don't fail that incredibly hard. You aren't the english language incarnate. Deal with it, you fucking prig. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 13:08, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, I may, or may not have been wrong, but meh. I like using arn't instead of aren't as well, and people can usually understand what I'm writing regardless. Pity there's no talk page to this talk page really -- boxytalk • teh rulz 13:08 5 December 2009 (BST)

Just pull a Karek and delete the entire convo! --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 13:09, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

To be honest, i never really expected this group to get historical. I just stumbled upon its wiki page by chance, read the article linked there, had a laugh and nominated it for the lulz.--Axel27 08:56, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

nominating for historical wiki group. Many users from this group ended up becoming sysops and strong contributors for this wiki. During the existance of this group, the antics of their members lead to drama (heh) and somehow helped improve the rules that guide us all. --People's Commissar Hagnat[talk][wcdz] 16:20, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Aye - for some reasons i thought we were deleting 'historical group', but we are rather deleting 'confimed groups'. Therefore, Assylum should have a chance to acchive historical status --People's Commissar Hagnat[talk][wcdz] 16:20, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Nay - I haven't seen any evidence of in-game activity of historical significance. I do admit that their wiki shenanigans are somewhat humorous, but wiki actions have nothing to do with historical status. I'd love to vote Yea, since I also know a few of the group members, but I can't. —Aichon— 23:42, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

You can and you should. If this passes, a whole month of me being nice! What more could you want?-- SA 11:59, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

A free Tibet, a supreme stuffed crust pizza, a new computer, another four hours of sleep, and a Rhodesian ridgeback puppy, off the top of my head. I'll compile a list for you later of other things I want. Besides, you've always been nothing but nice to me, and I get a laugh out of you being mean to others. :) —Aichon— 15:28, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

No Was there another group with the same name? Asheets 21:15, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

No The nominator can't even spell "achieve" correctly. And the group has nothing to prove it's importance on its wiki or in game. Criminally InsaneTalk|LoD 22:58, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Uh, har? Nothing to prove its importance on the wiki? We are the wiki. -- AHLGTG 01:15, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

No - The group was a notoriously massive spam-fest, but they didn't really have any in-game activity that I can recall. --ZsL 23:30, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Nay - Wiki activity may or may not supplement a group's viability as a historical group. But I've never even heard of this group, let alone know of anything historical/unique that they did in-game. --MaverickTalk - OBR404 06:27, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

This is an invalid nomination, the policy specifically states groups that no longer contribute to the game, this means they must have at some point contributed to the game. Note, the game, not a game resource, RG mods are not applicable for historical status, Assylum isn't either. This is Hagnat's bad faith attempt to shore up a category he created against policy as a vanity exercise. This nomination needs removing for these reasons. -- ..<== DDR Approved Editor 16:25, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

We spammed a bunch of shit on the radios with Ghetto Cow support.-- SA 16:39, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

"you accused another user of pure bad faith.... you could get someone perma-banned pulling shit like that". - Just to put what you just said in perspective.--Yonnua KoponenTalk!Contribs 22:56, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

The difference? I'm not requesting the power to vote and ban people based on my opinion. I'll wait for you to respond before mentioning this on you promotion bid. I'm nice like that. Also, given more than one person has pointed out that this group is ineligible for historical, given I had Hagnat's vanity category removed earlier, why has the sysop team not stepped in to remove this ineligible shit from clogging up the system? Or do I need to nominate ex-old-BS-RG-Mods as the next 'historical' group to illustrate how this nomination abuses the system? -- ..<== DDR Approved Editor 02:10, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I never said this was an eligible group. I was just saying that you shouldn't accuse Hagnat of bad faith when you got so aggressive with me about it.--Yonnua KoponenTalk!Contribs 15:38, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Did you not pay attention? The difference is that your jumping to conclusions behaviour could land a innocent user with a ban because you're chomping at the bit to get the power to ban people on this wiki. I am not. -- ..<== DDR Approved Editor 23:38, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Say whaaaat? I have no intention of accusing people of voting in abd faith, as you have. I pointed out that loads of the clauses in your PD were about punishing people you don't like.--Yonnua KoponenTalk!Contribs 15:59, 18 November 2009 (UTC) NO

Nay I've never heard of them, and it seems to me that they had more of a presence on the Wiki than the actual game. --Justin 20:37, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Voting Closed - Not only is this group ineligible for entry, it has failed to get anywhere near the right amount of votes. -- ..<== DDR Approved Editor 09:26, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Because its a populartiy contest, and this example shows that people don't understand what "historical" even means. Note the complete lack of justification for the nomination. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 14:41, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Spam - Lack of justification makes this worthless. Because no one will know you otherwise.-- SA 15:30, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

No - I've never heard of you and you don't appear to have contributed significantly to the game, even in your own suburb of Dulston, but your wiki page is amusing. Have fun with MW2!--GANGGilesSednikCAPD 13:01, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

No - I've never heard of them. The fact that they're allied to or connected to Team Zombie Hardcore is their only claim to fame. And if you piggyback a group that doesn't matter and hasn't ever made a lasting impression on the game and that's the biggest thing you're known for, then you aren't even remotely a candidate for a historical group. --Goribus 02:53, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Um Marcus you need to convince me. Although having eaten them for a few years, Im more than aware of their existence, what have they done that is historical? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:23, 17 October 2009 (BST)

No - Never heard of them. Oddly enough, never been to Kemsterbank either. Historical groups need to ahve exuded their fame beyond their suburb.--Yonnua KoponenTalk!Contribs 22:09, 17 October 2009 (BST)

Which is a bit weird, since they (histr. groups) usually only get specifically mentioned in suburbs they were active in.--Thadeous Oakley 23:53, 17 October 2009 (BST)

General historical (namely this page and the associated category) have traditionally been separate from suburb historical. Some groups that have never passed here have been placed in the historical section of suburb pages due to the consensus of their input there rather than the game as a whole to gain the nod through this process. -- ..<== DDR Approved Editor 23:58, 17 October 2009 (BST)

Yes I originally Led the KT, and they came to K-Bank just after I quit the group, and just before I took a hiatus from the game. All these years later,... I still know who they are by the mere mention of their name. If I'm not mistaken, they were active in a couple suburbs prior to going to Kempster. -Poodle of doom 01:17, 18 October 2009 (BST)

Yes - If poodle of doom vouches for them they must be worthy of historical status, surely? It increases the validity of the bid greatly, so yes from me.--CyberRead240 01:51, 18 October 2009 (BST)

wait no, I'm totally lying, he makes it so much more no worthy, SORRY LOL--CyberRead240 01:52, 18 October 2009 (BST)

No - A group, yes; with a presence, yes; of historical significance, not quite. --Bob BobertonTF / DW 02:00, 18 October 2009 (BST)

No - As the Papas. --DANCEDANCEREVOLUTION-- 02:17, 18 October 2009 (BST)

Yes- 0have you people not seen this image??xoxo 09:47, 18 October 2009 (BST)

No - Sorry. It looks like you were a fun group and I enjoy your wiki page, but even as a zombie who spent some time in Kempsterbank I didn't know about you.--GANGGilesSednikCAPD 10:40, 18 October 2009 (BST)

No Sorry but just being fun doesn't make it historic. For that you need to make a really big impact on the game and just being big in 1 'burb doesn't quite cut it for me. --Honestmistake 08:08, 20 October 2009 (BST)

No I thought they disbanded and were nominated a long time ago. Asheets 20:16, 21 October 2009 (BST)

No as everyone else.. or convince me that urban dead really is fun.----Sexualharrison 11:06, 22 October 2009 (BST)

The ONLY time I've ever heard of them was through Recent Changes stalking.it doesn't help that I haven't played the game in ages and when I did I never payed attention to anything but the target-- SA 14:44, 22 October 2009 (BST)

No - We came to kill them at their "HQ" once and no one was there. :sadface: --Blanemcc 16:38, 22 October 2009 (BST)

No - ORLY? I've been at Kempsterbank for over 4 years and never dealt with this group other than seeing their annoying propaganda and spraypainting my sweet home over and over. --Moogoogaipoo 01:43, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

No - For all the above mentioned reasons. -- DarthRevan 06:24, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Voting is over. This group has failed to be added to the category of historical groups. -- ..<== DDR Approved Editor 20:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

The Dead destroyed a good deal of Urban Dead during '08 and are no longer an active group, they had a massive effect on the game and therefore deserve status as one of the Historical Groups.--Super Nweb 02:55, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

How interesting. None of the guidelines for this page mention it needing to be a group from Malton. Because of this Dear Sirs, I'd Like to Nominate the 'Monroeville Many.

One of the "Big 4" Hordes of Monroeville the MM was founded by TwoFools with no prior knowledge of the zombie side of Urban Dead. Early successes were good, and by the end of Monroeville's first Month they became the first recorded horde to breach a Mall (Archway). After this they swang south and donated 30 zombies to The Fall of Monroeville Mall, before assisting in the destruction of Drummond Mall.

During the permaheadshot era the MM continued to attack the north of Newtown despite heavy losses.

Once headshot was revoked the group resumed its mini mall tour, helping to destroy Spaulding and reruining spearing before slowly chewing its way through Newtown.

Have a look at the wiki. There are a number of entries by people claiming the Monroeville Many ruined their safehouse, or ruined their mall and infected them. In some of these cases we weren't even in the same suburb. It seems even are name was enough to scare them. Is anything in Monroeville Historic?

Yes - The first group that comes to mind when I think of Monroeville. --ZsL 09:03, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Oui - Unfortunately, you have to give Monroeville some perspective. It occurred in a shorter timeframe, on a smaller scale, with smaller numbers. Were the MM historical to their setting? Though they may pale to the might of the RRF or FU, they were historical in their own right, amoungst their own city. Therefore, I vote yes. --Pyrranha 23:23, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes One minute people were laughing behind their cades, the next they were lunch and the survivors were screaming "the many are coming... run!" Anyone who played Monroeville heard of them which is more than can be said for many other nominee's.--Honestmistake 09:22, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes We had a great time leading them in a wild goose chase all over Mville, other than that they were a force to be reckoned worth.--Babe's Ghost 22:40, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes - I led one of the other Monroeville hordes, the MM were the only one to take the server completely seriously and play relentlessly. Also the idea of a new category is retarded, is anyone really going to get the impression for the page or the fucking group name that this was a Malton group? Their historical status should not be detracted from, place them in the normal category with the rest of the groups. -- ..<== DDR Approved Editor 08:41, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes - The Many made a big difference in Monroeville. If there's going to be a history for Monroeville, which there should be, then the Monroeville Many are a definite part of it. --Necrofeelinya 09:19, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Yes - As above, more so because Harrison voted No.--Labine50MEMS|MHG 15:46, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

No (Monroeville Many)

To me, I feel that Monoreville's different rules made it easier for zombies. It is true that permaheadshot is terrible, but at all times, survivors had to deal with permadeath as well. Since the game was, IMHO, titled towards zombies, I'm not sure as to it being historical.--ShadowScope'the true enemy' 15:24, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

NO there should be a new category.----Sexualharrison 16:26, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

No It may be impressive, but it's not historical, and if it passes, IMHO there should be a new category .( although I have never voted before, I felt compelled on this one)--Psychotic Pantomime 17:48, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Erm stuff. Rampaged through every suburb, ate people. What kind of thing do you want? Helped to destroy every mall in the whole city apart from Miracle Mile Mall. Seemed good enough to get the mall tours historical. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 21:30, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

No -It's not historical, impressive as many say but not historical. --FiretwigW! 07:17, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

No - Huge, mediocre group was huge and mediocre. --/~Rakuen~\TalkI Still Love Grim 01:46, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Out of curiosity which monroeville group were above mediocre? Because frankly I thought that the MM had the best chance of gaining historicalness. Or is it the whole of monroeville you find unhistoric? --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 19:32, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

The whole fucking town was mediocre, the zombies, the groups, etc. --/~Rakuen~\TalkI Still Love Grim 03:27, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Edit: I tend not to vote yes when the historical bid was put up by a leader/member, and when that person argues with people saying no :\ LemonHead7t7 *̡͌l̡*̡̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡̡|͡|̲̲̲͡͡͡ ̲▫̲͡ ̲̲̲͡͡π̲̲͡͡ ̲̲͡▫̲̲͡͡ ̲|]]| ̡̡̡ ̡ ̡ ̴̡ı̴̴̡ ̡*̡͌l̡*Talk/PDA/Red Rum/MOB 22:21, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I'm arguing? Random. Looked like two questions and a fair enough to me. Or by posting here, now am I arguing? I appear to be stuck in a loop. --RosslessnessWant a Location Image? 10:08, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Because sometimes, it isn't just the great groups that are historical, nor the good, nor the truly destructive. Sometimes, groups achieve historicity in an entirely seperate field - the field of failure.

Once upon a time, the First Revolutionary went around Malton saying things like "Now it is time for malton to stand up, all of the living malton to stand up, defeat the zombie scurge and unite!".

Then, a bold wiki-user tried to spread the word of this revolution on the wiki. Sometimes, in his zeal, he would forget which revolution was his. In time, the Revolution gained some members, who made stirring speeches like this: "I have killed another zombie to make my death toll 14. The zombies won't stop going to the fort. Maybe more people should be posted outside the fort than inside."

Despite such innovative tactics, the group failed to make much of an impact in-game. However, Darkmagic's tireless campaigning on the wiki, coupled with the vast gulf between what they set out to accomplish and what they actually made happen, make them the true standard for comic failure - the Plan 9 from Outer Space of UD groups. --Sir Bob FortuneRR 18:53, 24 July 2008 (BST)

Yes - I said it before, and I don't think I can say it better. So I'll say it again: "Viva' was truly revolutionary in, as you (Bob) say, its level of epically comic failure. Oh the hilariously grandiose mission statement. The gibbering Talk-page trolling. The general non-sequitur trenchcoatery. And oh TEH BUTCHERY of the English language... Historical for sure." --WanYao 19:06, 24 July 2008 (BST)

No - Yes I heard of you, but I seen nothing special from you. --•▬ ▬••▬ ••••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬#nerftemplatedsigs 19:45, 24 July 2008 (BST)

Yes - I remember these guys, they asked us (Randoms) to join their revolution ages ago. I think we decided to see what became of it and heard nothing since. Just purely because of the total epic failure this group should be historical. -- Cheese 19:58, 24 July 2008 (BST)

HELL NO they have done zip, the page should be deleted and burned for all the typos and misspelling and I've now lost all respect for you conndraka. shame on you.----Sexualharrison 20:22, 24 July 2008 (BST)

Wait, you had respect for Conn in the first place? O_o -- Cheese 20:27, 24 July 2008 (BST)

So you have respect for Conn but not for me, eh? I must think about doing things Conn's way... --•▬ ▬••▬ ••••• •▬ ▬•▬• ▬•▬#nerftemplatedsigs 20:28, 24 July 2008 (BST)

well i hate you both now. happy?----Sexualharrison 22:47, 29 July 2008 (BST)

No As above. Sorta. The burning part though. -- THELORDGUNSLINGER 23:17, 24 July 2008 (BST)

No - I have never, ever heard of them. This group made no impact on the game at all by the bids own description. Funny doesnt make it magically qualify. --The GrimchU!E! 23:58, 24 July 2008 (BST)

You never heard of them? Where the fuck were you last year, Grim? Oh yeah, too busy making wiki drama and not participating in any of the major events -- survivor or zombie... And, this bid isn't about what they did in-game, it's about their contributions to "UD culture"... Which in this case, as Bob has explained, is something akin UD's version of Plan 9 From Outer Space -- which will be remembered and honoured forever. And rightly so. For all the wrong reasons, but still rightly so... Just like Viva' fully deserves Historical status. For all the wrong reasons, but they deserve it nonetheless. --WanYao 06:55, 25 July 2008 (BST)

No - This guy was such a pain in the ass. If someone writes an introductory paragraph for Viva's wiki explaining why (utter failure) the group should be historical, I'll vote yes. --Paddy Dignam 00:32, 25 July 2008 (BST)

Oh yes. It certainly affected many people - talk page spam can be quite irritating. And he talked to everyone. It was an un-group which was held together by badly spelled adverts. --DTPK 01:26, 26 July 2008 (BST)

One of the longest standing groups based on a non UD idea as its very foundations. Operated in Gibsonton for roughly two years, relitivly well known in certain circles (partly due to the infamous The Imperium Must Die) but also for several other reasons. Lost and was split apart because of it. No active members remain and have not done for some time. Its ideas will hopefully forever be visable to all, as it was the first and only group of its kind and magnitude.. -- Max890 01:12, 23 July 2008 (BST)

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No - Group was defined by their disbandment, that is not reason for historical status. Also, we need a template for this page. -- ..<== DDR Approved Editor 01:19, 23 July 2008 (BST)

Though due to everyone's sheepish nature mine is the only vote that actually counts at the moment -- ..<== DDR Approved Editor 21:01, 25 July 2008 (BST)

Actually, not even your vote is valid as it's not in a voting section. Numbering the votes without having different sections for different votes would be pointless anyway. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 21:32, 25 July 2008 (BST)

I invite you to point out why my vote is invalid. My vote is the only one formatted correctly due to the rules of this page. As a voter, and not the nominator, I am not required or compelled by policy or precedent to form the relevant sections. Therefore, according to the voting rules of this page, and established precedent mine is the only valid vote. Anyone altering another's vote will be taken to A/VB for impersonation. All other votes should be struck by a sysop as mandated by the rules box you see to the right. -- ..<== DDR Approved Editor 01:34, 26 July 2008 (BST)

Stop nitpicking. It's irrelevant red tape and that is certainly not impersonation, when someone feels the need to they can reformat the list tag but they don't need to and it doesn't invalidate votes.--Karekmaps?! 05:42, 26 July 2008 (BST)

No - It was alright.... But alright groups dont become historical. DanceDanceRevolution 01:50, 23 July 2008 (BST)

No - They're what, 2 year old, and didn't do anything worth mentioning in the bid until a week before disbanding?--Karekmaps?! 11:40, 23 July 2008 (BST)

Yes- This group fought for the suvivor cause bravely and and and with fire in their hearts. They deserve to be laid to rest with the respect they deserve. - Chaplain Wilkins 11:43, 23 July 2008 (BST)

No - i've been a resident of santlerville for 18 months and had barely heard more than a wimper out of these guys until they brought swarms of PKers into our neighbourhood...--xoxo 12:47, 23 July 2008 (BST)

Yes - The reason a lot of you are saying you didn't here much out of them is because they were at they're prime when most of you had just started playing or weren't even playing. They were a very important group last year and they deserve historical status more than half the groups that already have it by a long shot. --MkoII 12:16, 23 July 2008 (EST)

Yes - We were real Gibsonton group, it doesn't matter if we weren't known over all Malton, but we did our job damn good. Yes, probably some of you heard about us only after Imperium must die set a war on us, but we had many years ago a fight versus black crusade and we still continue to purge and clean hive Maltonius from wrenched and rotting hordes of mutants. And by the way, Imperium WILL NEVER DIE!!! --War7 20:11, 23 July 2008 (BST)

Yes- Anyone who was pro-survivor in or around Gibsonton would agree.--Wyzeguy6 22:30, 23 July 2008 (BST)

Yes - forgot the self vote. Should even the odds a little anyway. --Max890 20:40, 23 July 2008 (BST)

Hell No - Your group was relatively well known... due to the Imperium Must Die campaign? Seems to me that if your biggest claim to fame was people killing you, you're not all that historical. Hysterical maybe. --Vandr 21:04, 23 July 2008 (BST)

No - At the risk of sounding like a broken record, this group is only famous for how it ended and thus does not deserve a place in UD history. --Gerald Mires 21:16, 23 July 2008 (BST)

No - Garviel Loken telling us how we're all going to Warhammer hell made me fall off my chair laughing, but the group itself did nothing of note except capitulate and die. --Sir Bob FortuneRR 21:51, 23 July 2008 (BST)

Hey, Bob Fortune! News flash, smart one: that whole message on the upper half of Loken's user page doesn't have jack-squat to do with Warhammer. I imagine you assume that Hellheim has something to do with Warhammer, and therefore use the term "Warhammer hell". Hellheim is a part of Old Norse, or Viking, mythology. The religion is still practiced today! You must have missed the First Rule of Ridicule: "Know what the blazes you're talking about before you start ripping on someone or something, moron!" You don't want to start a religious conflict on this page, do you?--Ulfgard the Unmaker 08:44, 26 July 2008 (BST)

Hey, Ulfgard! News flash, fanboy. I know enough about Viking mythology to know what Hellheim is. I also understand the 0.5th Rule of Ridicule: "Know your audience". Warhammer/Games Workshop includes various mythological elements in its products, from what I've seen of them. Me, and normal people (my audience) find Garv's comments hilarious, as they epitomise the sort of pseudospiritual rubbish spouted by nerdy table-top gamer types. I didn't make my Warhammer hell remark to be accurate, I made it to be entertaining. Are you seriously claiming to find my comments offensive on a religious level? I didn't intend them to start a religious conflict, but I'm more than up for one if you want one. Just because a number of people believe something, I'm under no obligation to take it seriously. Case in point - even though there's a group who worship Prince Philip as a god, I still think he's a buffoon. As are you and Loken. --Sir Bob FortuneRR 23:34, 29 July 2008 (BST)

Fair enough, Bob. Glad we understand each other. I really see no reason to resort to name-calling and insults. Just wanted to get to a place where we could hear each other's arguments and reasoning. All that said, have a good day, and good luck gaming. Just don't expect any mercy if we meet up in-game, eh? Take care.--Ulfgard the Unmaker 00:57, 30 July 2008 (BST)

How dare you insult the divine Prince Phillip! Next thing you know, he'll be criticizing the views of the beloved Donald Duck Party! Free Liquor and wider sidewalks for all! -- KFPKTalk 00:48, 30 July 2008 (BST)

No - I've been playing since March 2007 and never heard of them.--Sarah Silverman 22:45, 23 July 2008 (BST)

Yes Was the first group I heard of upon my arrival in Gibsonton Capgun 00:04, 24 July 2008 (BST)

No Absolutely not. The only thing they're notable for is getting their asses kicked so badly they disbanded. --OcularDruuuuu 01:27, 24 July 2008 (BST)

YES Now see here, the Imperium was a longstanding group that outlived the Gibonston Nationals, the Winchester Boys, the Black Crusade, PKer Storm, and at least one Big Bash, mostly in one year that I've been aware of the group! They were around before that, even. This vote doesnt depend on whether they were known throught the whole of Malton, this vote shouldn't be based on voting for the laughs, nor should it be based on allegiance to groups who stood against them. Time and again the Imperium was praised by its greatest enemies for putting up a good fight no matter what the odds. Three times, the Imperium nearly fell apart, only to be reborn and even more zealous than before! Just because someone has a personal conflict with Loken doesnt mean that the group deserves no recognition. He took it upon himself to be the voice of the Imperium, and oftentimes did not follow orders to keep quiet. But what has that got to do with anything? This is not a debate on whether or not Garviel Loken was besieged by griefers until he finally got tired of dealing with their whining and their smears. By the gods, people, this is a vote to give a group that has existed for a long time and made the cyber-trek across three bloody forums (before mass desertion and absent administration crippled its manpower made its continued existance impossible) recognition for its existance and deeds! I hereby call upon all Naysayers to consider their motivations before they put in a final vote. Dislike does not equate to worthlessness, and if you cannot see that (or worse, see that and vote against the Imperium anyway, regardless of it's many quailifications and long history), take your worthless characters and quit the game. Leave it to those of us who try to make this a game worth playing.Ulfgard the Unmaker10:04, 23 July 2008 (EST) No timestamp. Asdd timestamp and remove strike out then, and only then --The GrimchU!E! 03:43, 24 July 2008 (BST) Okay, so I had taken a screenshot of it as soon as I posted it and saved the image to my computer. I looked it up and added the appropriate timestamp. May I erase the strike out? I apologize for the misunderstanding. I just opened this wiki account tonight and am trying to get used to the features. I must admit that technology tends to leave me baffled. Ulfgard the Unmaker 11:25, 23 July 2008 (EST)

And yet you still can't name one. Just like the other Yes votes you're only voting yes because you were part of the group.--Karekmaps?! 05:14, 24 July 2008 (BST)

Name what? He just said several reasons why it should be historical. And I just want to mention that the reason we fell apart was due to bad timing. We couldn't recruit because our Admin had gone away for months, several people couldn't get along, and then even more people disappeared. The PKers just say it was because of them -Chaplain Wilkins 10:33, 24 July 2008 (BST)

One of those deeds, surviving forum moves is hardly a noteworthy deed, and none of you have so far mentioned a single deed they did beyond when a bunch of people decided to drive them/you from the game.--Karekmaps?! 13:20, 24 July 2008 (BST)

This is true, in and of itself, but a group with members devoted enough to bother trying to help their group struggle on should mean something, shouldn't it? Oh, wait, that's right. The world's changed since the last time anything of substance was good for, or meant, anything other than "lulz". My bad. No wait, the world's bad, that one. We voting "yes" are merely relics of this past, is that what I'm to believe?--Ulfgard the Unmaker 16:29, 24 July 2008 (BST)

This isn't "vote for groups that people were in" this is "Vote for groups that had a major effect on how the game was played", thus the name Historical Groups, just because it had dedicated members is not a satisfactory reason for anyone not in the group because we/they aren't in it for self gratification.--Karekmaps?! 17:05, 24 July 2008 (BST)

Look, I'm not voting for no other reason than because I'm a group member, I'm voting because it was a longstanding group. It existed for two years, a length of time when dozens of groups can rise and fall. But for the sake common decency, let's quit bickering, okay? I won't argue with you if you don't argue with me. Sound like a deal, Karek? Now that we've made our points, does this mini-debate really need to keep going on between the two of us?--Ulfgard the Unmaker 17:27, 24 July 2008 (BST)

A historical group is not measured by its number, nor its longevity, but rather by what they have managed to accomplish in the time that they were active. Take Shacknews for example, they were around for just a few months, tops, and made a huge impact on the game. Staying in a single suburb and claiming it to be the safest in Malton, then getting killed by a group of PKers is not really noteworthy. -- Cheese 17:32, 24 July 2008 (BST)

Well for what did Winchester boyz and Gibsonton nationals do to get historical status? If you dont know people, we were one of three groups in Epic coalition in Gibsonton. And yes we did make a change in Malton, or i should say in Gibsonton, we made it one of safest burbs in Malton! Thats before we became Pkers target. And if you think that to defend 4 squares non resources building over 2 years is easy, then you are welcome to try. --War7 19:16, 24 July 2008 (BST)

Winchester Boyz was never voted on and Gibston Nationals failed their attempt.--Karekmaps?! 17:48, 24 July 2008 (BST)

It means something needs to be fixed. I did the honours. --WanYao 19:46, 24 July 2008 (BST)

May ask you, whitch burb are you from? And what rites you have to change our burb description? huh? --War7 21:58, 24 July 2008 (BST)

Which burb he's from? Players with several characters can be from various suburbs--how is that question relevant? And he has the "rites" to change the suburb description because suburb descriptions are public NPOV pages which can be edited by anyone. --Vandr 22:52, 24 July 2008 (BST)

No I'm in favor of a number of groups getting Historical status...And I'm really split on this bid, But I'm just not seeing it right now. ConndrakamodTTBACFT 03:11, 24 July 2008 (BST)

No - I dont see how this group changed play in the game, or even made much of an impact. --The GrimchU!E! 03:43, 24 July 2008 (BST)

No I had only heard tidbits about this group before the Imperium Must Die campaign, and I'm active in the community & game. No offense, but you didn't accomplish anything other than get targeted by some PKer groups. -Russell Oakley 03:47, 24 July 2008 (BST)

No - Some ideas should not be "Visable" --KF 05:01, 24 July 2008 (BST)

Fuck no - You did NOTHING make yourselves noteworthy, to impact the game or the "culture" of UD. The only time this group was in any way noteworthy was after they got noticed -- for terminal lameness -- and targeted by DORIS. Now, darkmagic's Viva group I would totally support as historical :P because their level of FAIL was truly epic. The Imperium, however, falls somewhere between laughably mediocre and painfully unremarkable. --WanYao 06:54, 24 July 2008 (BST)

Yes- Could all the pkers who just want to obliterate what little we have left shut up and get back in their boxes? you broke us up, but that doesn't mean we were nothing let us keep what was ours, am i trying to destroy everything YOU create? the obvious answer is no i am not --Warmaster Death 07:32, 24 July 2008 (GMT+10)

Your group had no significant impact on the game or the community, outside your own little world. The fact that only members of the group are voting yes kind of demonstrates that. And, many (most?) of the people voting no (including me) have nothing to do with DORIS... None of this means you didn't exist, it doesn't mean you didn't do good work in your part of the city. But that's not enough to qualify as historical. Also, just in case you don't know, pages for formerly active groups are never deleted, so it's not like your presence will just vanish, you'll always be part of UD's history. Just not worthy of "special" Historical Group status. --WanYao 10:45, 24 July 2008 (BST)

And don't you guys understand why there was an Imperium Must Die group? Because they wanted to bully you because you were just some insignificant group which they had no respect for. Sorry to destroy your confidence boost, but thats just what it seems like in all honesty. Needless to say I wasn't involved in it, so you can yell at me for mouthing off about things I don't know... But that being the case, I never participated in 'war' against you and you can't claim over 50% of the voters here actually participated in bringing you down. So don't use hatevotes as an excuse for your poorly running tally. DanceDanceRevolution 13:34, 24 July 2008 (BST)

This may be like the most collossal misestimation I've seen on this wiki, judging by the comments! It's like you started the slow clap in a crowd, and now clap alone.--Sarah Silverman 19:30, 24 July 2008 (BST)

No - Never heard of them before the Imperium must Die thing. If a groups only claim to fame is their death, then they must be a shit group. -- Cheese 16:49, 24 July 2008 (BST)

Yes You can all go fuck yourselves. Nobody cares about the Imperium Must Die. Just because that was the only thing that brought them into contact with your giant grabass-circle jerk you predictably believe that means thats the only thing they've done? GO OUTSIDE. Give up the wiki-pancake monopoly. Ya Basta --Alphy 18:49, 24 July 2008 (BST)

Get thee back under thine bridge, ye woefull trolle!! Forsooth there be naught here for thee or thine. Verily, NO PAI! Depart, I sayeth, depart! --WanYao 19:23, 24 July 2008 (BST)

Another predictably quick and uniform response. See first sentence of my vote. Then look at your own vote and feel shame. SHAME.--Alphy 20:02, 24 July 2008 (BST)

You're a funny guy, Alpharius, seeing as it's you who apparently hasn't read (or simply hasn't comprehended) the votes and the comments, nor understood what it takes for a group to be Historical. And what, you're associating me with DORIS?!?! LOOOOOOLZ!!! Anyhooo... there's a line from A Fish Called Wanda that's applicable here, it's where Kevin Kline's character says, smugly: "But apes don't read philosophy!" To which Jamie Lee Curtis' character replies, "Yes, they do. But they don't understand it." Or, to quote the man, Nietzsche himself, "It's highly improbable that you're not mistaken, but why insist on the truth?" Now, since apes can in fact read philosophy -- but are, it has been established, unable to understand it -- let me explain in concise layman's terms: The Imperium did nothing to warrant historical status. Period. So here's the deal, Alphy: if you're gonna troll, do it with some style and/or some erudition. Like, do it in Elizabethan English, or quote cool John Cleese movies and Nietzsche. And, get your facts straight. Otherwise... just go back to pretending you're a misunderstood revolutionary hero by PKing DEM members and getting yourself banned from every IRC channel you try to join... CIAO!!! --WanYao 15:45, 25 July 2008 (BST)

The only thing I associate you with is frequent bipolar douchebaggery. So I do think that DORIS would be a good fit. And as the Imperium's oldest enemy I think I know a little something about the group. If every idiot who never left the malls posted they hadnt heard of a given group, there'd be about 4 historicals. Bai--Alphy 18:35, 25 July 2008 (BST)

Behold - the fabled silver tongue of Alphy, that persuades so many people to join the groups he forms. --Sir Bob FortuneRR 18:44, 25 July 2008 (BST)

Yes -As President of Umbrella I support the nomination of Imperium of Man as a historical group to their resident suburb, not simply beacause we are an ally of the Imperium but also because of their once impressive dedication and coordination. Dedication- To Malton and their role playing as the Imperium, the not only protected their own suburb but reach out to other suburbs in order to protect them and extend their empire which reached as far as Santlerville which is when we discovered them and worked together to free up the distressed suburb during BB2. Coordination- Up until just before the PK assault on the Imperium this group was highly cooridinated and cooperative both within their group and with allies. Good luck to the Imperium left overs as a whole you will be missed.--Jackson 20:16, 24 July 2008 (BST)

Moved from the bottom so that it's not a double vote. --Midianian|T|T:S|C:RCS| 10:09, 12 August 2008 (BST)

Recap/YES - Not intended for a double vote. What we have here is a huge misjustice. The Imperium of Man, an amazing well role played group of U.D. members DEDICATED to their way of role playing which in the apparently in the world of U.D. is gay, according to (and I would like everyone to take good note of...) the Imperium Must Die who basically said over and over again just how gay they do everything. I have noticed a lot of this "gay" amongst PKer groups labeling anything that either Role Plays or attempts a mature setting to the game as "gay". This is a game and this is the internet and I respect people's opinion and right to free speech and basic right to through the word "gay" around for I use it myself, however, (and if anyone reading this wouldn't mind looking up the film Idiocracy) the fact this whole ordeal was put together over something so immature is rediculess and see this as an attack on any group trying to play "legitimately" for role play value or have a good time in general. I am not saying that groups that do not role play or have a code of conduct are not legitimate. You were "...in it for the lulz" is an expression I have come to hear and understand but I don't see this being of something positive or LOL like in anyway for the community of Urban Dead. I understand that edits were made to wiki pages but to the extent that they were made that triggered such an event really seemed inadequate to provoke such immaturiaty and personal attacks. The Imperium of Man doesn't need sympathy, however for its value in providing a role playing environment, should be remembered and maybe one day revived to live again.--User:Jackson/Sig 03:56, 11 August 2008 (BST)

The drama and name-calling that have gone on here has NOTHING to do with the fact that the Imperium did NOTHING to qualify them as Historical. Read and understand what it is that makes a group historical please. Then read it again, to make sure you've understood. Good role play does not qualify you for historical status, neither does merely being successful at what you do. None of that is new, none of that changed the way the game is played for large numbers of players. Ergo: not historicl. Capiche? --WanYao 15:59, 14 August 2008 (BST)

Yes Even if some people hated the Imperium, it should be historical. Beside, I guess the same people would enjoy leaving their mark and brag about it. Right? --Skritz - For outstanding failure in the field of leaving a timestamp, this vote has been struck. --The GrimchU!E! 00:00, 25 July 2008 (BST)

NO -- Where to start? This group were not noticed until they started claiming structures "In the name of the emperor" which lead to them being noticed by DORIS who then proceeded to utterly destroy the Imperium of Man, in one of the finest displays of sheer pwnage the game has ever seen. However, the Imperium claim that they won this encounter and even made a video on youtube on how they managed to beat the PK'ers by cleverly hiding the PK'ers bullets in their bodies. True martyrs really. This group should be voted as EPIC FAIL #1, as they acheived nothing and came into the public view after getting their butts handed to them. --Blanemcc 00:09, 25 July 2008 (BST)

For your information, Blanemcc, while I'll admit we were on our last leg at the end of the movement, the end of the offensive against us was unofficially announced three days before we were forced to break into our two current groups. The fact that we officially fell apart ONE DAY before the ceasefire was publically announced was exploited, and the opposing party claimed victory wherease three days earlier, they had conceded defeat. Sneaky, underhanded treachery is what it was; slander and callumny.--Ulfgard the Unmaker 09:05, 26 July 2008 (BST)

No - I really only know them from the Imperium Must Die. --ZsL 00:22, 25 July 2008 (BST)

No - I thought about leaving a smart ass remark, but it's not really worth it. --Paddy Dignam 00:39, 25 July 2008 (BST)

No - Unsolicited additional nay vote for any one of the various colorful reasons already stated. --Goofy McCoymfdHK-47talk 01:07, 25 July 2008 (BST)

YES - speaking on behalf of the Rolt Heights Vigilante Patrol, Imperium of Man was one of our allies for a time, they were also an ally and member of the Dulston Alliance, they assisted with two defences of RHVP's HQ during zed insurgents and Garviel put some quite lucid comments and advice forward on the Dulston Alliance forums. I think as a group they had an impact, even if that impact resulted in the "Imperium must die" campaign and BTW their were many allies involved in that cafuffle and I would say it was a close run thing, but the DORIS bunch got a kickin' by many estimations. TBH that fire fight was largely won from the DA perspective because the majority of anti PK'er groups NE of Malton decided to attend to have a free for all, happily for IOM this was also the same time and place for their showdown. Anyhow it's historical now and therefore should be voted in that way. - Winner of the award for outstanding failure in the field of signing your vote is... anonymous! --The GrimchU!E! 01:38, 26 July 2008 (BST)

YES! - Same as Dr Cory Bjornson if Imperium Must Die is going to be historic, Imperium should be too'nuff said. --Obi + Talk!|TZH|MDK 11:57, 27 July 2008 (BST)

Imperium Must Die is not historical. Get a friggin' grip, you guys! The paint from your warhammer figures must be getting to you... or is it lead poisoning? In any event... yet one more example of why these guys got griefed out of existence, wow. --WanYao 04:59, 28 July 2008 (BST)

Oh and Yao I was never by any means a member of Imperium. And concerning the "griefed out of existence" as far as I can see, looks like almost every ex-Empire member still plays UD on new Warhammer "inspired" groups. The group did end though and that's a shame... --Obi + Talk!|TZH|MDK 20:51, 29 July 2008 (BST)

*Yes- A great group that's done some pretty valiant stuff.--Fozzy 12:12, 4 August 2008 (BST)(Vote striken: past 2 week voting period) --WanYao 16:08, 14 August 2008 (BST) *Yes- In the name of the Emperor yes! --• LtZurSee slapped your nose with a newspaper for a heal from CORAM (0 seconds ago) 17:09, 8 August 2008 (BST)(Vote striken: past 2 week voting period) --WanYao 16:08, 14 August 2008 (BST) *Yes- Because almost all "No"s are members of the imperium must die coalition. And may i say that i think it's funny that you all say we did nothing except the whole pker thing...but we were a major force in the second seige of caiger mall, having almost single handedly held the Latrobe building. And may i just state that it is my honor to declare sonny...a CUNT! Thank you and have a nice day! --MkoII 4:57,13 August 2008 (BST) (Vote striken: past 2 week voting period) --WanYao 16:08, 14 August 2008 (BST)

Reason for nomination:
This group thought alongside several groups we have waited for almost o month for people to join no one has joined except one but i know this may sound like a delection request we did get several allies and we would like our page preserved since i have started a new group wich is doing alot better but the SG-1 members would like to look back at our hard work and devotion and know that we tryed to help malton but we oviously failed so that is why i make this request here so yea please make our group a historical group in our old atempts to make malton better.
NOTE: I AM SORRY ABOUT ANY SPELLING ERRORS SO YEA BYE!!!!

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Super No - You guys had only six members (by the looks of it on your wiki page), have hardly been in any kind of historical event (wiki page list maybe 3), and it just seems like you guys didnt really really do anything to contribute. --Dromar 3 11:01, July 6, 2008 (EST)

GIB was a coalition of 10 or so dedicated fighters which exterminated what was left of the Gibsonton Nationals in a matter of days. It got much attention from the community despite the fact that the Nationals disbanded 4 hours before the attack began. It was created around April 22nd, invaded May 20th, and disbanded upon completion of it's mission May 31st. -- Labine50MEMS|MHG 02:43, 9 June 2008 (BST)

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I'm pretty sure they only killed like 3 or 4 of us, after we disbanded for a totally different reason. Hell, I hope this thing goes historical so that I can point out how much of a joke this whole wiki voting thing is.--Alphy 06:26, 9 June 2008 (BST)

Exactly how did you come to that conclusion? No, really, please tell me. I'm interested in hearing what exactly goes through your head.--Labine50MEMS|MHG 23:31, 9 June 2008 (BST)

The Nationals disbanded before you got there, you were hardly around for a month, and you did nothing beneficial for the suburb of Gibsonton. That said, what exactly makes the GIB historically worthy? Oh, wait, you "got attention from the community". Honestly, if you asked half the people in Gibsonton who the "GIB" was, they'd have no Idea. --KikashieRead the Dispatch! 01:11, 10 June 2008 (BST)

When you say "The Nationals disbanded before you got there", you seem to be assuming that we created maps, plans, recruited 8 or so people, then got them stocked up and in position over the 3 hours between the GN disbanding and GIB going public. I, personally, was there a good month before they disbanded to help shoot zombies using the group affiliation "34th Airborne Division". Some stragglers and late recruits got there 48-24 hours before they disbanded. We were in position and ready to attack 12-6 hours before they disbanded. I was on IM reminding people about the attack an hour before they disbanded. Regardless of how we, in your mind, magically appeared out of nowhere, we helped the area in a lot of ways. I was there for about a month as mentioned above, we had a full time medic, and we shared our (Admittedly limited) intel with local groups. If I asked half the people of Gibsonton, they probably wouldn't know who the DEM, BBB, RRF, or any of those other fine groups were. You can hardly gauge how important a group is based on a few uninformed people. TL;DR- You and everything you believe is wrong.--Labine50MEMS|MHG 05:31, 10 June 2008 (BST)

First off, I find it interesting that you chose to ignore some of the best points I made about just how wrong you were. Second, any intel that GIB had was available to The Imperium, the GDA, (Though I don't know if they used the account that was set up) and The Saints. I would also like to add that you would be best off if you didn't try to pretend that GIB didn't exist, or whatever you were trying to get across with that last sentence, and to remember that I'm not just a DEM member. (Whatever problems you might have with them aside.)--Labine50MEMS|MHG 02:26, 11 June 2008 (BST)

What I was trying to get across with that last sentence, is exactly what I said. What did you do that was worth remembering? When you hold the GIB up against groups like the BBB, the Mall tours, the Bash, and Ghetto Cow, it just doesn't compare. You didn't do anything remarkable, or worth noting. Pretty much read Swiers' vote. --KikashieRead the Dispatch! 04:39, 11 June 2008 (BST)

You asked a question and then answered it yourself with what you apparently think is the truth, so I'm not exactly sure what to say right now. See Woot's vote.--Labine50MEMS|MHG 05:19, 11 June 2008 (BST)

The GN left 2 hours before the GIB arrived. What did you liberate Gibsonton from? You didn't help fight the "Invasions Of Gibsonton", you made a truce with them. There was no GN to attack, just some DA and randoms. Nor were there any zombies in the area. ----Secruss|Yak|Brahnz!|CGR|PKA||EMLN|Templates|RRF|RFTM|Crap|WHOZ||MU|GN|C2008||20:14, 15 June 2008 (BST)

No - Hai guis lets hunt amazing ingame! He left? How about someone even less importants?!--Karekmaps?! 17:07, 9 June 2008 (BST)

You have to be kidding me? No! -- Officer Murphy 22:52, 9 June 2008 (BST)

No. Someone promised there'd be refreshments. I SEE NO REFRESHMENTS.Mikhos 01:40, 10 June 2008 (BST)

No Never really seen you guys do much. Jaydepps 02:03, 10 June 2008 (BST)

90% of those that have voted "No" are people who voted "No", GIB's sworn enemies. Their votes are biased and unfounded.--Labine50MEMS|MHG 05:36, 10 June 2008 (BST)

I could have swore that the only reason you're trying to vote this historical was to piss me off. You're not supposed to be entertaining me! And you helped the burb a lot when you decided to kill some of the anti-pker defenders and side with the Imperium Must Die Coalition. That was awful classy of you.--Alphy 17:21, 10 June 2008 (BST)

that is undboubtedly true. The smell of complete flop comes off of every single group you've ever tried to create. I mean it's like suck became a member of the wiki community and its signature is secruss or alphy I mean you guys do take breaks from blowing each other to post right or do you just do it together?--Kristi of the Dead 03:40, 18 June 2008 (BST)

Kristi getting all hot and bothered over Secruss badmouthing a group the DEM supposedly had no hand in? Shit like the above comment is going pretty low for people who "Don't take the game too seriously"--Alphy 23:42, 18 June 2008 (BST)

No no I just like to kick you and secruss in the nuts whenever the chance comes up. I mean I spend a fraction of the time bitching at you guys that Secruss wastes coming up with his anti DEM liberation group flavor of the month. And besides that it's alot of fun scraping the bottom of the barrel with you guys.--Kristi of the Dead 02:58, 20 June 2008 (BST)

Hell No - Never heard of them, and even the submission makes them sound like a small flash in the pan survivor group that existed only to declare war on another fairly small survivor group, with unimportant results. Pretty much the definition of NOT historic. Swiers 22:06, 10 June 2008 (BST)

Truth of the matter is, I'd rather not have Sgt. Beebus's hard work on the wiki go to waste. Plus I think the RHA was a nifty idea. We started little under a year ago hunting BHers, and eventually we became Contract Killers. We pulled some strikes, politicked with the best of them, and I know we got our name out there. Due to inactivity, as well as my formal lack of leadership skills, I've decided that it's time to put the thing out of it's misery. -VigeousRHA 05:00, 23 May 2008 (BST)

Yes - Although Yes^5 would be more accurate.--Labine50MEMS|MHG 05:37, 23 May 2008 (BST)

So what? In any event, their list of "accomplishments" is anything but impressive. So, uhm, they killed a few people??? But they did so for both "sides"? yawn..... Pancakes, anyone? --WanYao 23:21, 25 May 2008 (BST)

No - Sorry, never heard of you, or if the things you did were significant. -- AHLGTG 18:42, 23 May 2008 (BST)

Yes – Brought class and style to the practice of killing people you don't know because someone else wanted you to. Sad to see the group go into the night – in no small part because I never got to work with you guys. :(ᚱᛖᚢᛖᚾᚨᚾᛏ 19:59, 23 May 2008 (BST)

No - Fuck off. Your only major achievement was holding the record for the furthest any group has been up Red Rum's collective arse. --CyberbobDORISCGRU! 01:22, 24 May 2008 (BST)

Yeah, oh so far up their ass. That's why when the CGR was going to attack Red Rum I didn't tell them. That's also why I was in the CGR for a good little while, and yet I was only in Red Rum for two days. So far up their ass that I was asked to get hosted on the PKer Hub. At least I can be civil. - VigeousRHA 02:34, 24 May 2008 (BST)

No real impact on the game as a whole. Other than that all I can think of you for is echoed in Cyberbob's vote above.--Karekmaps?! 01:38, 24 May 2008 (BST)

No - I've worked w/ these guys a bit from time to time, & no doubt they're a good bunch. But to be deemed a Historical Group is akin to being inducted to the Hall of Fame in my eyes. It's notoriety & achievements that should determine induction, not the inevitable burn-out of one's members, & subsequent folding of said group. --Canker Sore|CK | GC | ZHU | MEM | 03:57, 24 May 2008 (BST)

Yes - I'd heard of them, vaguely (although "fame" isn't actually a criteria for historical significance), and while I'm not intimately familiar with their exploits, they did win "Best Newcomer" in the Group PKer Malton Murder Awards last year, and their serving of contracts seems quite substantial in light of their short duration. I suspect that their contract-killing ways had at least some impact on the way the game is played, and I'm fully satisfied that they contributed sufficiently to the history of Malton as to justify their group's historical significance, --Morgan Blair 08:47, 24 May 2008 (BST)

No - I'm clearly pissing into the wind here, but if this is the standard that it takes to be considered an historical group then we may as well just give the status to every group which lasts six months or more before collapsing. --The Hierophant 22:04, 24 May 2008 (BST)

Yes - If you had anything to do with the PKer/Bounty Hunter community, you saw Vigeous and the RHA in action. Great group. -- --Russell Oakley 22:50, 24 May 2008 (BST)

Where would the game have been without these guys? They were really rather awesome chaps, essentially the acting government for a good period of the game. If you didn't rely on their help during a siege or even when your suburb was down, you most likely weren't a harman. Fair and just. Reasonable. Good scones. And by gum, they were benevolent dictators. Good show all round! -- Karloth Vois TALKRR 21:34, 24 May 2008 (BST)

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No - As they were like a co-op of really separate & independent groups they should be put up one by one to honor their awesomeness and individuality. It's a terrible shame as they really were good people at heart. I hope the children's families can find it in their hearts to forgive, and manage to move forward. --SiIIyLiIIyPiIly 22:30, 24 May 2008 (BST)

No - So, with 73 known members in the MFD, 44 in the MEMS, 103 in the MPD, 53 in the MFU, 24 in the MM, 43 in the MCDU, and 16 in AH, for a total number of 283 known members in the many branches of the DEM (as listed in the Game Statistics when I checked just now), it would hardly seem as if this umbrella group is merely a memory of Malton's historic days-gone-past. But, as the various group boxes on their recruitment page would place that total much higher, at 473, I am ready to believe that an order to disband has indeed been given. However, as that same page indicates that the DEM is "currently looking for volunteers from all across Malton to join its ranks", and I have not seen any official statements that would contradict, I cannot—for the moment—support this nomination. --Morgan Blair 22:58, 24 May 2008 (BST)

Yes - The DEM's Department of Truth would like to inform all nay-sayers that the Department of Emergency Management is historical for many reasons, such as when we single-handedly removed an attacking force of 300 000 zombies from Ackland, Caiger, and Calvert malls all at once with a dedicated squad of 27 fighters. We later convinced Kevan to edit the server so none of this would show in game. The Department also denies that it has an evil robot army, or that it's robot army is evil. Thanks, Assistant Fire Chief Labine50MEMS|MHG 23:07, 24 May 2008 (BST)

No - They were a small group with few accomplishments outside of the sole suburb that they patrolled. Really they never had more than two or three active members. What did they do that is worthy of historical note? --Vandr 05:09, 25 May 2008 (BST)

No Never heard of them. If we just went around giving historical status to any group that's made it six months without dying, we should just hand them out to everyone. NEVER -- THELORDGUNSLINGER 20:28, 25 May 2008 (BST)

No - Other than running a couple of cool tools (Rogues Gallery and the Revification Request Tool) and the Red Rum/DEM Mutual Admiration Society on Brainstock, they weren't especially active, I rarely saw them in-game... --WanYao 23:16, 25 May 2008 (BST)

Nah - A completely worthless group that never did a thing that that could be considered worth of this nomination. If memory serves me right, they only had something like 3 or 4 players anyway. --Sir WV 02:37, 28 May 2008 (BST)

Yes - Because I fear Room 101, and because this wiki has become (always was?) a bullshit exercise for self-righteous bureaucrats in training. I'm surprised I'm even eligible to vote. Or am I? --Paddy Dignam 02:55, 28 May 2008 (BST)

No-- this group has only one member, and has never had more than one member. They're not even recruiting, and their one member is still active. WTF?--FTMCI 07:40, 28 May 2008 (BST)

Yes Excuse me? Time for an official voice. We at the DEM have been committed to helping the city at all times during these dark years. Indeed, there are only about 400 of us and we are spread out over the whole of Malton, but we try. Anybody who is anti-DEM is only so because we try harder than their group. And for your interest, we are still recruiting. We are actively searching for willing survivors to help our cause. However, we (well, the NE division at least) for the last few weeks have been doing overtime to clear up recent horde devastation. Although, interestingly, in parallel to earlier comments, we are considering converging into one giant "DEM" group. Unsigned. --ZsL 18:26, 28 May 2008 (BST)

Hey, I think it sounds kind of wierd that the leader of the group is suggesting it, but I was told that I should nominate the group for historical status. I disbanned the group very recently. Our goals were to keep the suburb of Gibsonton relatively outside-influence free, a mission that I think we did a very good job of accomplishing. We were around from December to present, and fought many, many small skirmishes against various groups. Our most vocal enemy was the DEM, which we succeeded in keeping out of the burb amongst much bickering. We were, I hope certain other groups don't mind me saying, somewhat instrumental is rebuilding the burb amidst the recent incursions of BB2 and The Dead. We helped shape the political landscape of Gibsonton significantly through the removal (and it turns out destruction) of the Winchester Boyz. And we fought against the recent pker invasion of Gibsonton. Thank you.
--Alphy 22:03, 19 May 2008 (BST)

Yes - They desereve it as they have retook the burb many a time from zombie hands and deserve due credit. Also so few in number they achieved all their goals and these are my reasons for voting yes. --tom1504 22:21, 19 May 2008 (GMT)

Yes - I was in the group. It was glorious. Even I was surprised by how much we accomplished. --Alphy 22:32, 19 May 2008 (BST)

Yes - They were busy during their active time and I know gave the DEM quite a few headaches in the area as well as impacting the politics of the region for the time they were active.--Garviel LokenNo Pity! No Remorse! No Fear!Talk22:33, 19 May 2008 (BST)

No - for a group thats been around for less than a year? --Virus002 04:53, 20 May 2008 (BST)

No - I'd never even heard of them until the Gibsonton Must Die thing started, and then only because they were listed in the allies section of the Imperium. They're as obscure as all fuck and have had about as much impact on the game as any of dozens of other obscure minor groups. Turkmenbashi 05:02, 20 May 2008 (BST)

No - for the winchester boys and the fact that no one knows or cares who you are. not historical, more like hysterical--Calista griffin 04:53, 20 May 2008 (BST)

No - Headaches? If by headaches, you mean "made us laugh for half a day followed up by some forum drama that everyone forgot the next week", then yeah.--Labine50MEMS|MHG 05:21, 20 May 2008 (BST)

No Because they did nothing for Gibsonton and did everything against it by causing the disbanding of the winchies. A joke of a group, not even around for a year. Don't make me laugh. --Falcon Talon 05:46, 20 May 2008 (BST)

Yes One of the goals of the Gibsonton Nationals was not to play nice & make friends. They wanted to kick the DEM out of Gibsonton & reform the suburb into an area that was not beholdened to the DEM. They achieved these goals & then some. And all of this was done on a shoe-string budget & very few members. They deserve the credit whether you like them or not. My vote is for yes. --Sir WV 05:59, 20 May 2008 (BST)

No The Gibsonton Nationals were notable for one thing only..being obnoxious. Other than that they were really just a small-time PKer group of little note. --AidenFury Improperly signed. --ZsL 20:49, 22 May 2008 (BST)

Nay They did better than most comparable small single suburb groups have done, but I don't see what it was that tips the scales from "better than average" to "Historical". --Goofy McCoymfdHK-47talk 06:58, 20 May 2008 (BST)

No - I had never heard of you until the PK'ers on Brainstock decided to take the piss out of you. I laughed along with them. How does this group think it can acheive historical status? You have not affected the game in any way, shape or form and are generally ignored by the masses. --Blanemcc 11:46, 20 May 2008 (BST)----

No - Coz the guy who quoted bladerunner said yes...--xoxo 12:00, 20 May 2008 (BST)

No - Haven't accomplished anything that a hundred other small groups haven't accomplished in their own suburbs. Brought nothing new to the game, brought no innovative way to play, no great events, nothing revolutionary. I'm not convinced. Why should this group be more than a footnote in the history of Urban Dead? --Vandr 15:12, 20 May 2008 (BST)

So because someone doesn't think you're important that makes them biased...Then why have a vote? Every "No" vote shouldn't count because it is biased that they don't think you're important. --Sonny CorleoneRRFDORISMSDMOBpr0n 21:18, 21 May 2008 (BST)

Don't be a tool Secruss. Just because we are engaged in a "war" does not mean that we cannot be object. I literally never heard of their group until I started killing them. Billy Club Thorton T! RR 05:46, 22 May 2008 (BST)

Enemies of a group are generally the best situated to decide if you were important or not, just sayin'.--Karekmaps?! 22:07, 23 May 2008 (BST)

Nope I've never even heard of y'all. (Also, person above me, it's democratic so everyone gets to vote. Did you fail high school?) S Aline 20:21, 21 May 2008 (BST)

Ah the many, many failures of Democracy. I think the solution to this problem is to raise the awareness of the people who know what we were about and what we did. The DA are even voting for us, for gods sake!--Alphy 23:19, 21 May 2008 (BST)

No - Alpharius, if the group was actually historical in the first place the you wouldn't need to raise awareness of it at this point. Sounds all to similar to your last group, the one you pretended had several members. Still, it was amusing watching you boast and boast about nobody was putting up any resistance, when in fact nobody actually cared. --Karloth Vois TALKRR 00:23, 22 May 2008 (BST) P.S. Falling for the RED RUM ARE HELPING SURVIVORS April Fools' joke is historical (hysterical?) as you were the only person to have fallen for that. Hell, you even confessed to the PKA about it. That whole "I refuse to reveal my sources [A public announcement]" thing was sheer comedy genius :D

Har Har. You guys are the DEM's personal party clowns. And none of you even went to Gibsonton before the disbandment.--Alphy 00:40, 22 May 2008 (BST)

The whole "Red Rum is employed by the DEM" was also an April Fool's joke, Alpharius :D A horrifically executed one, but you were again one of the few who fell for it. Huzzah! And no, noone ever went to Gibsonton before we realised how irritating the Imperium were. Congratulations on... setting up in a ghost town. Huzzah x2 --Karloth Vois TALKRR 01:00, 22 May 2008 (BST)

No - As per everyone else, I'd never heard of you until I started shooting you.--Screw Names 20:39, 22 May 2008 (BST)

No - Sorry, but I haven't really heard of the GN until the whole The Imperium Must Die thing. --ZsL 20:49, 22 May 2008 (BST)

Yes- They did a great job in thier own way in thier own time.Survior454 21:59, 22 May 2008 (BST)

No- nope. Being successful in your goals does not a historic group make.--Kristi of the Dead 03:06, 23 May 2008 (BST)

I remember yous starting up now... Sorta... And stuff on Brainstock. I've been agreeing with Labine recently, which scares me... But, yeah, exactly, what he said. --WanYao 08:08, 29 May 2008 (BST)

No Historical to Gibsonton maybe... But not enough to warrant Historical status. ConndrakamodTDHPDCFT 20:52, 23 May 2008 (BST)

Yes They DEFINITELY, at least to those who were in Gibsonton, changed everything. In the 2 months they've been around, they've done more for a suburb than any other group I've ever heard of. Ioncannon11 21:37, 23 May 2008 (BST)

No - Admittedly, I haven't looked @ it in quite some time, but could you imagine what the Historical Group category would look like if every group that folded after 6 months was able to join? --Canker Sore|CK | GC | ZHU | MEM | 04:12, 24 May 2008 (BST)

This chap merely consisted of one rather tasty fruit, but god-damn do I respect it. His time at the helm of Red Rum brought a golden age of peace and prosperity. Unfortunately, he folded and hasn't been seen since Strata locked him in that box. We shall meet again, but not yet, not yet. -- Karloth Vois TALKRR 21:20, 24 May 2008 (BST)

The Redemptionists were the group that was the forerunner to the Imperium of Man both chronologically and ideologically. Sadly all their known members are inactive and while there has been no formal disbanding of the group they are nonetheless no longer inactive. While the impact of the Redemptionists in their time was small, their importance as the forerunner to the Imperium is considered important at least by our members as well as for historic reasons of being able to trace the lineage and evolution of one group into something new. Please do not vote no if you were not around until after this group became inactive. --Garviel LokenNo Pity! No Remorse! No Fear!Talk 22:30, 17 April 2008 (BST)

Yes - They helped lead the way the the new Imperium. User:Lamerton/Sig19:11, 25 April 2008 (GMT)

Yes - The Redemption paved the way for the Emperor's current representation in Malton.--BrotherMcBeaner 02:55, 26 April 2008 (BST)

No - sorry, but ive never heard of you. --Bullgod 19:37, 26 April 2008 (BST)

Doesn't matter if you've never heard of them, doesn't stop the Redemptionists from being historical to someone. There's probably quite a few groups you haven't heard of. --Garviel LokenNo Pity! No Remorse! No Fear!Talk20:36, 26 April 2008 (BST)

This isn't about being historical to someone it's about having had a major impact on how the game was played for most everyone.--Karekmaps?! 03:55, 27 April 2008 (BST)

No - Non-notable. Just because their flavour comes from the same poorly written game background as your own, does not make them an historical group. To qualify as historical a group must have been notable in the history and development of Urban Dead, not because you played Necromunda like they did. Also, if Bullgod hasn't heard of and eaten a group, it probably means they were never notable. -- ..<== DDR Approved Editor 01:41, 27 April 2008 (BST)

No chance - Never heard of them... And, one insignificant group's influence on the formation of another insignificant group doesn't warrant historical status. I mean, what the F. have any of you really accomplished?? --WanYao 10:09, 30 April 2008 (BST)

Yes - As someone who fought the Imperium, the birth child of the redemptionists, for a very long time I can tell you that the events surrounding the group heavily affected the way things are run in the area surrounding Gibsonton, and are partly responsible for the war going on there now. --Alphy 22:37, 19 May 2008 (BST) After deadline --The GrimchU!E!WAT! 06:47, 20 May 2008 (BST)

No - Did not have any major impact and needs to be important to someone other than yourselves --Virus002 04:49, 20 May 2008 (BST) After deadline --The GrimchU!E!WAT! 06:47, 20 May 2008 (BST)

No - Never even seen the name mentioned --Dipcup 05:01, 20 May 2008 (BST) After deadline --The GrimchU!E!WAT! 06:47, 20 May 2008 (BST)

The OAR is an old old group from 2005 that ran the Arkham area until around early 2007. They've never been a large group but they were the only group to evar make a difference in the god forsaken lands that are the Arkhams. Many will not remember them or even know who they were because of how long ago they were around. I ask you not to vote No if you are only here a few months, that's just stupid. They were important for their time and it is sad they are not around no more. --Sonny CorleoneRRFDORISMSDMOBpr0n 17:14, 7 April 2008 (BST)

Yes - ROAR is the new incaration of them, Sonny. It is in effect a different group, though, with different leadership, as far as I am aware... there is continuity, yes, but they're different. And, the small but dedicated groups in the too often forgotten surburbs like the Arkhams need to be recognised and honoured. There is more to UD than DULLSton and Fort Greedy, kids. --WanYao 19:56, 12 April 2008 (BST)

NoWHO? Why would the wiki allow such liars into the historical groups? But thanks for the chuckle at the idea of "breaking The Dead". LMAO--DCC 15:15, 17 April 2008 (BST) After deadline --The GrimchU!E!WAT! 06:53, 20 May 2008 (BST)

No Barely heard of them... only noticed them because they spammed recent changes every time they tried to update their page. And there is no need to delete a group page that fails to achive historical status... --People's Commissar Hagnat[cloned][mod] 23:12, 19 April 2008 (BST) After deadline --The GrimchU!E!WAT! 06:53, 20 May 2008 (BST)

No - huh, who??? After deadline, vote not signed --The GrimchU!E!WAT! 06:53, 20 May 2008 (BST)

The ASB was an Organisation formed originally by The Randoms and the Bakers of the Apocalypse (who are now defunct). It was later joined by many other groups in the South West of Malton, including The B-Team (also defunct), M.S.L.F and Tactical Area Rescue. It was sort of the DEM of the South West Suburbs, especially Buttonville, Williamsville and Wyke Hills, and was involved in con-ordinating responses to quite a few dangerous Smurf Outbreaks in the area. After the Bakers and the B-Team went down, the ASB kind of went into the background and its now disbanded until a time when the Smurfs need putting down again. -- CheesemanW!RandomTalk 21:09, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

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Yes - The ASB was the greatest fear of Smurfs everywhere and deserves to be recognised as such!! -- CheesemanW!RandomTalk 21:10, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes - While geographically smaller than some of the centrally-located umbrella groups, the ASB was far more inclusive, active, and appreciated within the confines of their corner of Malton. The ASB will be long-remembered by the locals in South-Central Malton, as well as among the many survivor groups their "foreign service" touched. - Krae 21:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Nay - I have actually never heard of you, seen of you ever. And it's not like I don't live in the area, the south west is mah corner. -- AHLGTG 21:40, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Re - We were around. When abouts did you start playing in the South West? -- CheesemanW!RandomTalk 22:00, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Pretty much all my gaming history, over almost a year and a half. -- AHLGTG 22:07, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah well. :P As I said we were closer to the Buttonville area so maybe you were a bit further away from our sphere of influence :D. -- CheesemanW!RandomTalk 22:10, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes - We were like a big, smurf killing family :'(, except without the infighting and incest. Well, mostly. --dudemeister 22:04, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

No - i remember that you existed, but that is all i remember of you. nothing historical to note.--Bullgod 23:00, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

GANKBUS is probably the most significant group ever to be a part of the great game that is Urban Dead. Single handedly dismantling the CDF and forcing its leader into an embarrassing retirement, GANKBUS deserves this significant title. Rasher 18:58, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes - GANKBUS was the reason that Historical Groups were created by Bob Hammero (idiots). Also we managed to infiltrate and destroy one of the larger player groups in the game, eventually holding their own base of operations. Gage and several of the other people that disbarred us from historical status hated us personally and simply sought to discredit us. If anything, we're grandfathered into historical status by the fact that we were locked and historical before the historical policy was even drafted. -- Rueful 19:24, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Historical has a different meaning than it did then, back then it was simply for groups that didn't exist to keep the pages from being wiped and keep people from adding to them, since then it gained a real purpose and a meaning.--Karekmaps?! 20:12, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes - In terms of pure contribution, negative or positive, GANKBUS had a huge impact on the wiki and the game as a whole. Players who "have never heard of us" or "don't remember us" simply didn't play or use the wiki at the time of our activity. We even had copycat groups at the time who joined our crusade against the evil Amazing and his cronies. GANKBUS had a singular mission, and it was achieved. Simply because they stopped operating after that does not mean we do not deserve a place in history. Rasher 19:28, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Hell No - And further more you and your group disgust me. Not only is your group a whos who of wiki scumery(you even have Scinfaxi listed as an ally), your actions and history are of one of the worst events in the history of this wiki and should be swept under the rug of the wiki, not paraded about like you acheived some important or great victory. In game you were an unimportant, small, griefer group, on the wiki you were some of the worst contributers and drama mongers we ever had. Be proud GANKBUS, then go die in a fire and be forgotten.--Karekmaps?! 19:54, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Your hatred for us is not at issue here, the issue is whether we had a significant impact. If you ignore the bad parts of the history, you'll never learn from them (Hitler) -- Rueful 19:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

The issue is that not only did you lie in the proposal for historical group(in the group pages history you adimit 1)that you weren't alone in griefing the CDF 2)that you weren't sure it was just your actions and 3)I'm pretty sure the CDF is still around, under Zod Rhombus still even.) but you have nothing to make you historical beyond the fact that you were a bunch of assholes with no life , a penchant for abusing the Arbitration/Vandal Banning Process, and loved picking and antagonizing one of the least popular users in the wiki's history. You're scum, you aren't historical, and in a perfect wiki you would be banned from contributing due to your past contributions.--Karekmaps?! 20:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

First, You're correct, we're not the first and not the last to attack CDF (LCD came first, as far as I know GANKBUS second, and ASS along with other copycats came soon after). Second, none of the zombie groups *know* that they were the sole factor in taking over a mall (vacations, pregnancy, WoW), but it's highly coincidental that CDF's number declined from ~45-50 if I recall to nearly being gone while we were in the height of our glory. Third, yes, CDF is still around, and as you pointed out under new leadership -- the leadership in place at the time when we were active was ousted. As for your personal attacks, {huuugs} -- Rueful 20:28, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and maybe this is the perfect wiki because I've been banned like 3 times -- Rueful 20:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Every point you make in your argument is another reason we should be placed in the Historical Groups section. Rasher 20:32, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

By simple virtue of a "hell no", it is obvious that we deserve a place in history. Rasher 20:02, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I think we have found the latest incarnation of AmazingRasher 20:29, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Also, you weren't even around during our crusade. The very fact that you have heard of us is further support that we deserve a historic group category. Rasher 20:37, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

I'm gonna respond to both of you here now, cause responding to two people who are probably socks separately is a waste of my time. That's a big assumption there, that I wasn't around. Zod Rohmbus has been a big part of that group for a long time, I wouldn't exactly say it's new leadership. And as far as zombies go, zombies know they are a factor because the mall is dead, you don't have that convinience as a griefer and as such your claims of success are usually unfounded, idiotic, or just plain wrong. People leave, it happens, griefers generally do not speed up the process. The point is your whole claim to deserving a historical title is a lie and completely factually inaccurate, the only thing you can claim that would be true is that you were griefers and shat on the wiki on a regular basis, neither one of those make your group "the most significant group ever to be a part of the great game that is Urban Dead." --Karekmaps?! 20:51, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Since you weren't around at the time I guess there's no convincing you otherwise of our significance. Thanks for your vote ! -- Rueful 21:01, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

This group is confirmed inactive. I never liked it myself, but that was part of the point - it was probably the first group to have a problem with revives because they were part of a vast NecroTech conspiracy.--otherlleftW! 16:35, 15 September 2007 (BST)

The old McZeds was a historical movement, didn't do much in game, but it was a pioneer in its variety of humor, culinary jokes- and groups were missing. Amazing and Atari Techno are now absentee from the wiki, so this old version of McZeds deserves to be put out to pasture, and the new one heralded in. --Nalikill 22:30, 13 September 2007 (BST)

The Profile Police were a PK'ing group that made their impact in South West Malton. They primarily worked in and around Lockettside and made appearances in Tompson Mall as well as Marven Mall in South Blythville. The Profile Police routinely checked the spelling and grammar of character profiles and PK'd those characters whose profiles did not meet their standards. The Profile Police held a non-descript day of learning where characters whose profiles were blank (aka non-descript) were executed.

The educational antics of The Profile Police lasted from April 2007 through July 2007.

The Profile Police made instant enemies of many survivor groups in Malton and for a short time appeared to be one of the most hated groups in the game. The response to the Profile Police far exceeded the response for any group of similar size.

Historical, as its function (except for prize distribution) has now ended. Is in the category of "wiki group". Had a hell of a lot of members, if you count entrants as members. There is a precedent for wiki groups being placed in this categeory: WCDZ had no in-game membership or purpose.

Did we not participate in this? Treasure it! --Thegreathal 18:34, 11 May 2007 (BST)

for, i was two days away from winning!--Blood Panther 20:58, 11 May 2007 (BST)

This was an enjoyable passtime, and within the spirit of the Historical Groups Policy as written. --Darth SensitiveW! 03:04, 12 May 2007 (BST)

It was an interesting activity on the wiki. --T 01:06, 13 May 2007 (BST)

No harm in keeping this little curio around, and I wouldn't want to see it get deleted. --Toejam 16:06, 14 May 2007 (BST)

Perhaps we should create a policy for protecting past wiki-groups or concept ideas? --DucisDuxSlothTalk 11:23, 18 May 2007 (BST)

I suppose I could just copy the entire text to a new page in my user area to make it delete proof- putting {{SUBST:OLDPAGENAME}} on the new page does that with almost no effort. It would stay categorized as it currently is, so no loss there. --Seb_WiersVeM 12:18, 18 May 2007 (BST)

You could, but in case of inactivty, it could get deleted thereby rendering the subst. invalid. Just copy the whole wiki source and paste it over at your userspace.--ShadowScope 00:10, 19 May 2007 (BST)

That's what SUBST does, isn't it? Otherwise you;d just use normal braces inclusion. When I change my sig page (which is SUBSTed into my sigs) the older ones do not get updated, so I don't see how deleting the page would matter. --Seb_WiersVeM 00:22, 19 May 2007 (BST)

How can you not vote for christmas! --Danalov 11:38, 22 May 2007 (BST)

Against

Not an in game group. Not even historical if you ask me.--Gage 04:15, 11 May 2007 (BST)

As Gage, I think that Historical status should be granted only to ingame groups. To include this Group would be to bend the laws of this category, a LOT. --Matthew FahrenheitYRC☺T☺+1 04:46, 11 May 2007 (BST)

We actually came up on the conformed stats at one point, and had icecream socials in-game. what can I say, we were bored.--Vista+1 15:32, 11 May 2007 (BST)

Today there are still two christmas trees in the game. And presumably you'll do the same next year if christmas trees come back into the game so whats the point? --MarieThe Groveon Tour 15:48, 11 May 2007 (BST)

The contest is over, regardless of tree status subsequent to the winning conditions it set. I can't say what I (or anybody else) would do next year, but running the contest was enough work that I'd hesitate to do it again- been there, done that, what's the point in a re-run for me? I also don't personally expect Kevan to repeat the tree thing; he's a pretty creative guy. He had the crates the first year, the trees and lights the next, so maybe for '07 we'll get the option to go caroling? Or snow, so we can build snowmen and have snowball fights? Who knows, and does it matter to this vote? --Seb_WiersVeM 23:44, 11 May 2007 (BST)

Fair enough, but I think we should get a policy for historical wiki groups- then this can o there. Maybe I'll think of writing one... --MarieThe Groveon Tour 09:43, 12 May 2007 (BST)

Maybe so. Alternately, historical wiki events, or just general wiki history, would be an interesting concept. The various evolutions of the suburb map and suggestions page are (at least to me) a neat bit of community history. --Seb_WiersVeM 15:09, 12 May 2007 (BST)

Against - As per Gage's response. --Poodle of doom 23:31, 12 May 2007 (BST)

I have to agree with Gage as well, for the same reasons.--Headless gunnerW! 09:50, 14 May 2007 (BST)

There's a significant difference between a minigame and a group. I do believe that this should receive some sort of special recognition, just not in this way. --Specialist290♠♥♣♦ 22:33, 16 May 2007 (BST)

No - It wasn't very historical--Caasinedrah Vote struck. No timestamp. --User:Axe27/Sig 05:07, 12 May 2007 (BST)

as much fun as i had counting down those trees i'd say not a in game group therefore can't be added but should remain in the history books for sure. also i missed out by a day :( Me101 06:51, 17 May 2007 (BST)

Murray Jay announced the dissolution of the Red Guards in early 2007 and it's already listed in the 'retired or disbanded' category on the main RRF page. Lament, all. --Prothero 07:13, 7 May 2007 (BST)

Yes Listen, any history should be categorized in my opinion if we can, and if they want to be remembered, why not? Though not a prerequisite, time went into the page as well.--Thegreathal 01:36, 9 May 2007 (BST)

Yah - If they aren't made historical, they'll be deleted before the RRF is declared historical. Duh.--Lachryma☭ 04:43, 11 May 2007 (BST)

They should be moved to a subpage of the RRF page, so they won't be deleted and will attain Historical status along with the main group if they dissolve. It's not the hardest thing to do (but I won't do it because I'm not RRF's favorite XD), and it's the right thing instead of doing wrong to avoid worse. --Matthew FahrenheitYRC☺T☺+1 04:53, 11 May 2007 (BST)

No - If there are part of the RRF then surely this page will be added to the historical category/protected whatewver when the RRF enters for historical groups. Since its only a sub-group I don't think it desevres to go in on its own. --MarieThe Groveon Tour 15:32, 8 May 2007 (BST)

No - As much respect as I have for the former leader of this group, I have to vote against this on the same grounds as Matt. I would like to add, however, that they did give me inspiration for a line or two when I was composing my lyrics for one of my songs ;) --Specialist290♠♥♣♦ 22:27, 8 May 2007 (BST)

No - They are more like a subgroup of the RRF. --T 03:33, 11 May 2007 (BST)

No - I also hope Matthew Fahrenheit above is right. But you never know with overzelous Wiki janitors. Bluetigers 06:18, 11 May 2007 (BST)

No - As Matt. Bluetigers, there's no need for that kind of thing, OK? --CyberbobSysU! 12:34, 11 May 2007 (BST)

No - I've never heard of their work, nor have I seen any of their members in-game. They can't have made too big of an impact.--Headless gunnerW! 09:50, 14 May 2007 (BST)

They were a subgroup. 'nuf said--Caasinedrah Vote struck. No timestamp. --User:Axe27/Sig 05:16, 12 May 2007 (BST)

Yes - There's no advantage in waiting for everyone to take the name out of their profile - the group has announced it's disbanding. Might as well put it into historical groups now instead of delaying. --Toejam Invalid timestamp. --T 23:12, 18 May 2007 (BST)

Yes - Not only was I one of the ranzaging zmobies but I had a blast! And maybe if you checked the wiki you would see we got 19. *Shakes victory pompoms*--Mayor Fitting 00:31, 1 May 2007 (BST)

Yes - They owned almost have of malton, and reminded us that zombies can still be organized. i think they deserver this Lemonhead7t7 23:48, 1 May 2007 (BST)

Yes - If they've announced it's done, it's done. Should be labeled Historical just so everyone knows it's over. Only exception would be if someone else decided to pick up the torch. Slicer 23:53, 1 May 2007 (BST)

Yes - They are historical, they deserve it, they won't be editing their group page anymore, that's all that counts. IMHO, even active groups could be considered historical: separating "historical" from "actual" facts is a custom brought by the leading classes in order to depolitize the masses, romanticising history. Don't do that. --Matthew FahrenheitYRC☺T☺+1 00:12, 2 May 2007 (BST)

Yes - I'm with Matthew. It has been a large group with a great impact in the recent history of Malton. It doesn't matter if there's people with Mall Tour '07 in the profile once it has been officially disbanded. Scarbrow 16:10, 2 May 2007 (BST)

Yes -I know that ordinarily only deceased groups go into historical status, but Mall Tour was so incredibly destructive that it provides an instant historical high point for the zed community. Having tried unsuccessfully to defend Ackland Mall from it, I can say with certainty that I have never seen an assault on that scale before or since. POINT OF CLARIFICATION: I'm not saying that Mall Tour should be banished to the dustbin like most normal historical entries...I'm simply stating that they should be immediately recognized for their accomplishments. -Tarumigan 11:26, 4 May 2007 (EST)

Yes - I'll ignore the fact that it was the leader of The Randoms that nominated them, and vote yes.--Labine50MH|ME|TNT'07 23:26, 6 May 2007 (BST)

Yes - Sure, why not? Since the Blackmore Bastards got in while still having members show up on the stats (and those numbers have since increased since the time of voting), I guess that presence on the stats page isn't a factor. If it was, I'd vote no.--Jorm 18:38, 8 May 2007 (BST)

Yes -Yes, they should be allowed in because they were freaking unstoppable. Nothing, could slow them down after Stickling-grad. --Cap'n'cupcake 22:23, 8 May 2007 (BST)

Yes - I'd vote yes for whenever the group has fallen to the right size or whatever, but agree with Sexualharrison's no vote in the part where he's concerned with a new one being added every year. Maybe change the link from the historical groups page to [| this one] and use that, instead of having a list of each one out on the main page? --Xyu 01:32, 11 May 2007 (GMT)

Yes - As much as I hate them and think they are one of the most annoying yet destructive groups, they have a purpose and they have been successful. Yes they do. Of course they're not done "touring" yet. PooheadXYZ 14:02, 12 May 2007 (BST)

Yes - They unleashed a whirlwind of destruction, and deserve to be honored. --GoolinaGore Corps 23:22, 13 May 2007 (BST)

Yes - These guys left a wake of death and distruction respectable enough for admission.--Headless gunnerW! 09:50, 14 May 2007 (BST)

Yes - It is a famous tour and almost every Urban Dead member knows it. --JudeMaverickW!TJ! 11:14, 18 May 2007 (BST) Vote posted past deadline. --T 23:12, 18 May 2007 (BST)

No - Too many still showing it as their group in their profile. What's the rush? It's not like it's going to be crit 12'ed any time soon. Wait 'til everyone has moved on -- boxyTLZSNuts2UDA 10:20, 1 May 2007 (BST)

No - It's still one of the largest zombie groups in the game, just because it's not touring doesn't mean it's not around. --karek 12:16, 1 May 2007 (BST)

No - Wait till it's off the stats page before putting it up for nomination. --User:Axe27/Sig 15:47, 1 May 2007 (BST)

No - Agreed, this should particularly apply to zombie hoards. Just bec. the hoard's "official" leadership says their over, doesn't mean the MT still isn't in effect beyond that leader's control. I mean, these are supposed to be literally mindless zombie hoards, the "brains" of these outfits shouldn't have all that much control over their existential status. Headshot don't kill in Urban Dead, it just slows you down some.--The Envoy 05:27, 2 May 2007 (BST)

No - Wait a few months, then I'd be happy to go yes Cannywizard 18:52, 2 May 2007 (BST)

No - Other than getting stuck to long at Stickling it seemed fairly predictable and hardly game altering. Much less balls than '06. --Max GrivasJG / M.F.T. 17:40, 3 May 2007 (BST)

No They're not gone yet, so they shouldn't be a historical group. SteelVortex2 15:19, 5 May 2007 (BST)

No I personally see that they should be on the historic list but its too soon usually we wait for all members to be written off. Wait for a while Me101 00:36, 6 May 2007 (BST)

No Historic, YES, but not now, too soon. There's plenty of '07 for them to ransack. Daniel Hicken 02:23, 6 May 2007 (BST)

No - COME ON PEOPLE! They've done this twice before (Maybe 3 times, can't remember if there was an '05). Is it really historical, or is it just interesting to watch the general ebb and flow of countless mindless drones repeatedly doing the same thing? Still kicked our arses though! --Poodle of doom 03:41, 7 May 2007 (BST)

No And anyone who voted yes on this better not be one of those who made the BBB wait for their historical status because they were still "active". No playing favorites just because it's your side. To be fair, I play both. --Schloss Ritter 05:06, 7 May 2007 (BST)

No - Ummmmm what? Still on the stats page, so does not even pass the requrements for historical! --DucisDuxSlothTalk 15:38, 8 May 2007 (BST)

Hell NO - so do we have to make the mall tour a new historical group every year? i think not.--SexualharrisonMR• ה •T 17:42, 8 May 2007 (BST)

No - It may just be me, but they didn't seem like that big of a deal. I may not have been around for the first two mall tours, but they seemed to be a lot bigger (or at least more publicized) than this one was. What did this one do? Take down malls while survivors were at their weakest (and getting their @$$es kicked everywhere else in Malton at the same time). The only thing "unique" about this one was that they started using PKers. But even despite the addition of semi-organized PKing, they weren't deadly enough to be particularly noteworthy. However, I do think that some sort of page should be created (call it an introduction to the mall tours) that summarizes the stuff on each Mall Tour's page (including this one) so that people know that the Mall Tours didn't skip a year or anything. --Reaper with no nameTJ! 17:30, 10 May 2007 (BST)

No - Not yet, I think the numbers need to drop a bit more on the stats page, which can be done by JOINING THE DULSTON DESTRUCTION TOUR!!! --T 03:32, 11 May 2007 (BST)

Of all the groups that got historical status while not holding a discussion, this is the one that puzzles me the most. It was a spinoff of the PA Rebel Alliance made to whine about not receiving reinforcements at Giddings Mall during Mall Tour '06, and lasted the incredible ammount of 2 days. Justification for historical status according to Saromu on the discussion page of said group is "Because of [this group] CMS-Meta was soon created". As far as it concerns me, it's dubious even if the CMS-Meta will make it to historical status when its time comes. Probably the mention of this group on the PA Rebel Alliance page is already enough honor for such a short lived group. --Matthew FahrenheitYRC☺T☺+1 06:03, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

No - As stated above. Also note that this discussion should have been held before, but at the beggining this category did not held discussions and a handful of people added "historical" tags on the groups they though, deserved them. Everyone agrees that Mall Tour '06 have been historical without the need of any discussion, but this one... --Matthew FahrenheitYRC☺T☺+1 06:03, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Since I don't think he's really nominated the cult, it seems to me that Matthew's protest or discussion prompt is more appropriate for this section, as opposed to the nomination and voting section. I think he's saying the Cult of Cockfucktus has misused or abused the historic page marker, and I am guessing that maybe he's making an effort to point out the wider potential abuse of said marker.--The Envoy 20:50, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

In response to both your comments Envoy, where this discussion belongs is open to interpretation (some will point above, some will point just here). I just put it up above because it would hardly receive a discussion down here, but now that you placed the discussion here I'll wait for a third party to make the decission of where it has to be. Anyways, the one who tagged the group was probably User:Saromu, but I have to point out in his defense that it was before the guidelines for historical status were laid out, and that who did it doesn't matter: the issue here is that this group makes the Historical category look bad because good groups that held their ground for plenty of time don't get historical status with the excuse of "regional impact doesn't grant it", yet we have a ridiculous group that made it here without hardly any impact done on the game. --Matthew FahrenheitYRC☺T☺+1 03:51, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

The point is they already say they're historical. If Matthew wants to make a case about this, he should also ID whoever put the tag up on the page, if possible.--The Envoy 21:01, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Waste of Time - Criterion 12.--ThariTжFedCom is BFI! 10:04, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

NoCan We Even Discuss This? Err, what right do we have to remove historic status? This could set very very bad precedent. I mean eventually everything will fall under some understanding of criterion 12 since the majority of no votes tend to be justified with some variation of "never heard of them." Basically, those who live by the delete will themselves eventually die by the delete at the hands of the next generation of delete zealots.--The Envoy 03:50, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm trying to figure out why does this have historical status.--ThariTжFedCom is BFI! 04:02, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

... it doesn't anymore. I fixed that one.--Gage 04:17, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Are you serious? Just note that neither we are voting or I'm asking for the Speedydeletion of this group, but just to take off the Historical tags and start to honor groups that really deserve them with it, that was already done. Maybe you know the group, but you really think it's historical? --Matthew FahrenheitYRC☺T☺+1 05:41, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, we need a category to put these types of groups in, that are still interesting, and part of the history of the place, but not really "historical" (I mean, GANKBUS, historical, FFS? What does that say about the culture here?), so that they don't get speedydeleted one day when no one is looking, or voted into oblivion because [edit] only the old timers have heard of them any more -- boxyTLPADA 06:13, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

GANKBUS had a lot of impact on the UD world. If it's not historic, then the historical groups are a joke.--ThariTжFedCom is BFI! 06:20, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, I'm sure plenty agree... I think they were a bunch of asshat wiki vandals whose page should be kept, but not lauded as historical, and I'm suspect that there're plenty that agree with that too. I voted for BME down below, and I've a similar view of them (him). It seems the only way to ensure that the pieces of the history of this place don't just get canned when a couple of guys want to be the first to "serve it up to the asshats". History is being selectively deleted via popular demand. Vandals with unpopular targets get their egos stroked by being categorised with the likes of Mall Tour '06, The Many, The Pretorians, The Undying Scourge & the Shambling Seagulls while those that gave grief over long periods to the wiki "elite" are speedydeleted as soon as their page hits the month without an edit deadline -- boxyTLPADA 06:46, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

no they should be ineligible for nomination because of the controversy, above. Asheets 21:08, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

No What's a cockfuctus, I wonders. --Kamden 00:17, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes - The CoC was at Mall Tour Caiger and was at war with Fazed. They had 30 members when it was created but with the end of the AoG, PARA, and The Two it has fallen apart. A lot of people here exclude news from 2005 because they weren't here. Because you don't know about it doesn't mean you can just toss it away. --Sonny CorleoneRRFCRF DORISHunt! 18:29, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

No - I didn't take these guys seriously when they were around, and I don't now.--Headless gunner 06:39, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Never has a group so few been hated by so many for so long. Early zombie human co-op team. Pro zombie propagandists and healers. Credited by its enemies as the inventors of the "Zombie Bomb". Alliances with other more organized groups, some historically awarded, proved to be its downfall by fragmenting player focus. Will it's legacy live on... or are its crimes best forgotten?

Yes - I swear I saw these guys yesterday- they killed my mate, but then again these days I forget who is part of the z-team and whos a general nusinace. For sparking off a friendship between The Grove and 5punk and endlessly PKing The Grove Three Cheers to never having to see these guys again. --MarieThe Groveon Tour 16:04, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Just noting that the group is retired. Any players still claiming membership do so purely for sentimental reasons.bbrraaiinnss

Knowing you are a member I voted Yes but then again none of you ever had Zombie Inc in your profiles really. Are you still playing now or not? --MarieThe Groveon Tour 15:49, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

This group was in Category:Historical Groups. It was placed there before mandatory voting to be included was made a rule. The group's sole aim was to pester a certain user. I doubt that they made a difference in game at all, and I want the community to vote on this issue. It isn't fair for a few players to decide what is historical and what isn't for the whole community.--Gage 19:22, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

No - Putting a group in the "Historical Groups" category that solely targeted one individual is tantamount to an official condemnation of that individual. I don't think even Amazing would deserve that. --Specialist290♠ 18:57, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

No - Hardly historical in-game, and of little public interest on the wiki. --MorthBabid 22:21, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

No - They had next to no impact in-game. Therefore, they can not be considered historical. The page may or may not be worthy of protection, but it certainly does not belong in historical groups. --Reaper with no nameTJ! 17:22, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

No - The page shouldn't be in historical groups, but it is worthy of protection. -- 18:11, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

No - Hell no, only thing they should be remembered for was unjustified pking, lying, extreme amounts of unprovoked harassment, driving away one of the few intelligent beings on the wiki, they are the equivalent to terrorists and should be treated as such, nuff said --1 4 of CDF 05:34, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

No - No real contributions other than PKing us. --Zod Rhombus 06:29, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

So you admit that PKing you was a contribution? Sorry, I had to say it =P. --Matthew FahrenheitYRC☺T☺+1 20:39, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

No -First, I'd never heard of them until now. Second, looking at the summary and seeing they rallied around pummeling one guy out of thousands, I can't see their influence as anything more than a drop in the bucket. --User:Eatatjoes 22:28, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

No - They had one hell of an impact on the wiki, for those around at the time. But they did basically nothing in the context of the game, and they aren't of interest to anyone who wasn't there at the time.--The GeneralTSysU!P!F! 20:54, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Have you heard about this group ? Me neither. The All Zombie Team was here playing their deadly games long before most people here even dreamed about a zombie browser game... this is one of those groups that were forgotten by time, but that did a lot for the game during their generation. --People's Commissar Hagnat[cloned][mod] 22:23, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes - Good lord, thats a name I haven't heard since I was a fledgling Zombie Jabber running around Mockridge Heights. They must have petered out soon after I started playing. --MorthBabid 23:27, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes - I have been playing UD longer than in the wiki, and I know of these guys. Full of character, they were. --DucisDuxSlothTalk 02:20, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

No - I just never heard of them and I'm amazed. I knew about every harman and zombie group at the time the group was around and I never heard of them. Not once. --Sir Sonny CorleoneRRFCRFDORISHunt! 05:07, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Oh, as dumb as it may have sounded a lot of people, including myself, fell for this. We were fooled despite our better judgement knowing it was fake. Petro made this for April Fool's last year and we fell for it because Honest Petro would never pull a fast one on us. So this was a semi-big thing for harmanz who thought it was real. ----Sir Sonny CorleoneRRFCRF DORISHunt! 14:51, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

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Yes - so long as the fact that it was a joke remains clear. So long as it isn't planned to occur again. Because things like that apparently aren't historical. --Darth SensitiveW! 16:37, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

No - On consideration of votes below - was never a real group. Protect it as a RRF subpage after moving it, and link it from the April Fools page, but not an HG. --Darth SensitiveW! 22:43, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

No - Don't get me wrong. The page is worth saving, but as a historical group? It's a short lasting joke, a second like Hagnat put it, and it's impact on the way the game is played or otherwise contributed to the history of Malton should be elaborated. --Bonefiver 08:05, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

No - Not an Historical Group, not even an actual group, but a prank. It should be saved as a subpage of the Ridleybank Resistance Front and attain immortality when said group goes inactive, if such thing ever happens at all. --Matthew FahrenheitYRC☺T☺+1 08:23, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

No - It deserves to be saved, but not in this way. It was never a real group. --Reaper with no nameTJ! 21:00, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Drama whoring, zerging, vandalism, bad faith edits… is there any low they wouldn't sink to? I think not. They are historical purely because they are notorious for their misdeeds. –XoidM•T•FU! 04:51, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes - You're absolutely right, Pillsy. The impact the BME had is entirely on the metagame - yet that impact was large enough to warrant historical status IMHO. CyberbobTalk 09:22, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes - They weren't famous, they were infamous.--Gage 09:40, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes - And as a Yagoton "citizen"? I apologize. :) --MorthBabid 20:36, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

No - It was a tiny group of petty zergers, and the only thing of any note that resulted from them was a load of drama when they were called on it. No, i dont feel like rewarding cheaters with the right to feel good and important because of their cheating. --Grim s-ModU! 20:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

No - A group should be put on there for in-game achievements primarily. If they get on that list because of (and i quote) "Drama whoring, zerging, vandalism, bad faith edits", it should be clearly stated on their page. Otherwise, someone who will read their page will think they were a great group who had a huge impact on the game.--Denzel Washington 21:11, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Which is exactly what will happen. You know the NPOV statement you tried to place on their page but never could because they're a bunch of three year olds? Now's your chance. –XoidM•T•FU! 10:10, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

No - Why, again, are we giving respect to a bunch of vandals by enshrining them forever in history? Let them be forgotten as worthless trash. --Ivan Romanov 05:06, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Because an NPOV statement will have to be left on their page once(if) historical status is achieved. Even the most NPOV statement on the planet couldn't gloss over their misdeeds. –XoidM•T•FU! 10:10, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

No - Never heard of them. Therefore, I see no reason to glorify them --User:Eric Youngblood 09:54, 21 December 2006

No - Self proclaimed cheaters/zergers should not be immortalized. SniffleNose 16:22, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

No - Getting to force an NPOV statement on there page isn't good enough for me. They didn't do much worth remembering. Crit 12 will take care of them some day. --Darth SensitiveW! 13:45, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes - Remember Hitler? He'll never be forgotton for the terrible things he did (say, killing 6,000,000 Jews) This isn't as bad but it's worth remembering to laugh at them. --Whap 08:58, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

No - I have never heard of this group. --Flogging MollyPK 03:56, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

No - No one mourns the wicked. TorecT-CC 04:10, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

No - Yet another bunch of attention-starved teenagers. Never heard of them and happy about it. Bluetigers 15:46, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes They were good in a bad way.Cisisero 03:47, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes This group will be infamous in Malton throughout the annals of time.. The reason is irrelevant. The fact is, they were here, and they made a stir. Remember them hwoever you like, but above all, remember them. --Aiden H4H 05:52, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

The Bakers did a lot of work down in Buttonville helping make it safe for other survivors. They also helped set up the Anti Smurf Brigade, a collalition of several survivor groups in the South West. As their closest allies, The Randoms would like to nominate this group to be added to the Historical Groups Page. -- CheesemanW!ASBTalk 18:47, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes - Small area or not, they made a big impact on this area. Definitely historical. --Ruan 01:09, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

No - I have no idea who these guys are; Buttonville certainly isn't a suburb of note, yadda yadda yadda.--Jorm 22:30, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Re - They made a very big impact on the suburb and were very well known to the groups in the area. -- CheesemanW!ASBTalk 23:55, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but we're talking about Buttonville. A suburb with a population of a few hundred a best. A suburb whose mall I took personally using just the Barhah Brigade and two other RRF strike teams. Anyone could have a big impact on that suburb merely by farting under the covers.--Jorm 00:13, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Recently speedy deleted and apparently no more, this religous cult was one of the few New-Age religous death cults to exit in early Malton. Many survivors from UD's early days across no doubt remember the chilling proclomations of "IZONE is here to free you" moments before a shotgun-based massacre would occur. Akin to the Church of New Eden, this group represented one of the early bits of New-age zombie based religion in Malton. It's akin to the "cult of the bomb" in various apocolyptic movies. --MorthBabid 19:55, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes For stated reasons above, and the fact that I'm a big nerd for this stuff. :) --MorthBabid 00:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

No Two cults in less than a week? While IMHO I don't see why we're deleting any groups, other than perhaps to avoid their vandalism or misuse as misinformation or "ridiculous" props. However, if every page whose maintenance lapses can't be nominally "historical", I think it would be much more productive in this instance to flesh out this group's entry on Religion in Malton and let that serve as testimony, rather than give the defunct page some sort of protective status. Unless of course MorthBabid's claim is true the old timers of the game still have chilling memories of this cult.--The Envoy03:25, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

The Ecclesiarchy Militant is just one of numerous WH40K based groups. Apart from being one of those groups, they're completely non-notable. –XoidM•T•FU! 08:06, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Mainly has to do with the hundreds of them. Most of the pages were small 1-2 person groups that last a day at the outside and their page stayed around for a year. If those "groups" bothered to nominate their pages for speedy deletion, criterion 12 would never have been written. There are almost innumerable cookie-cutter 'military themed' groups that lasted less than a week or two floating around here as well; all of which have horribly formatted, nearly empty pages and are often misleading to newbies. –XoidM•T•FU! 14:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

No If they got SD'd and nobody moved to stop it, then they don't qualify Asheets 18:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Speedy deletions around here are fast. Sometimes within five minutes. We do not have a user base the size of Wikipedia and even they have had problems of this nature when there's been as much as five hours. If you genuinely think they are non-notable, fine, but using that as your criterion for non-notability easily allows history to be destroyed. –XoidM•T•FU! 14:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

No - Sorry, never heard of them and never seen long time players speak of them. PillsyFT 14:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes - i liked those guys, they were in my opinion, as biassed as it may be, the perfect human group. -Bullgod 00:05, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes - You know I have never heard of them either because I wasn't here, but the group concept is novel and I like the page. Its worth keeping for posterity. -- BubbaT 08:48, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

The Gray started out as a group of zombie players from Spacebattles.com forums, somewhere around November/December 2005. The first targets ever were Ridleybank and Roachtown. At the top of our numbers we we're feared by many and we were the other group which made Mall Tour '06 possible. The group disbanded slowly as the Mall Tour was drawing closer and closer to Caiger Mall, and when Caiger was finally reached, we stayed there, two revivals were attempted with limited success. We never fully spilled over to another group tho. We just went on with our own bussiness. Our shout Zarbrahz! doesnt really need explanation either. The group is currently... more or less dead. We were one of the better testaments of close organisation as our "horde" sizes rarely we're over 10 zombies. We arent zombie ninja's for nothing. Or we were. - Rotticus 21:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes - These fellows were quite the memorable nucance. I thought they were absorbed into The Shining Ones, but apparently not. --MorthBabid 00:23, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes - as a former member and leader, yes. I started as one of the Gray. Ah, the good ole days of zombie fun. --Rotticus 00:33, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes - Just the mention of The Gray used to send the Crossman Defense Force into a panic. Of course they also have the Mall Tour and everything else under their belts, but that alone was enough for me. -- ∀lan WatsonT·RVP 01:46, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes - One of the few groups to have been able to enter Caiger Mall, back when survivor's games were at their peak. Considering they were outnumbered more than 20-1, that's an impressive feat. –XoidM•T•FU! 14:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes - My group has a policy to try and preserve what ever possible of Maltons history, after all if it isn't on the wiki, it hasn't happened. --Obeah-Man 14:48, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, but a lot of stuff that is on the wiki hasn't happened either. Keep that in mind before making you force your group into idiocy via bad policy articulation.--The Envoy 14:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes - Assuming that they are indeed gone, they definitely got some notoriety.--The Envoy 14:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

No - It looks more like you were a recently created close knit of friends that just stopped playing or were absorbed into larger groups. Perhaps you should merge your site info with another more apt current page? --MorthBabid 20:00, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes - In my defense the whole move to barville and ridleybank was mostly my idea Vito the don

Yes - What Labine may or may not have said.--Labine50MH|ME|P 05:24, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

YES - Come on people don't be mean they have done stuff in Malton the NMC, Ridleybank, Barrville. All the stuff is on the page. If we odn't save it, it would be deleted and I think thats a waste of their efforts. --MarieThe Grove 13:51, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

yes I thought you were still active. Asheets 18:20, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes Vito and the Corleone Family worked behind the scenes with me when we started bringing the fight to the zombies. He and the Malton Rangers were really the motivating force behind the Channel 4 News Team and the whole of the NMC's invasion(s) of Barrville and Ridleybank. If that's a historical change or action (I think it is), then this is a historical group. --Ron Burgundy 01:27, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

No - Never heard of you. Person putting it up form nomination uses the present tense in naming himself as the leader, which seems to indicate the group is still active, which would immediately rule it out of consideration anyway. --Grim s-ModU! 10:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

- Vito is the groups leader he is still active but the group isn't. Simple. They are part of the NMC. --MarieThe Grove 17:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes - The Corleone's didn't do much on the surface, but as Ron said they worked a lot behind the scenes to motivate the C4NT and the Malton Rangers in the battles around Blackmore and later Ridleybank. --Gethsemani 11:17, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

No From what I have heard of previous groupe members it wasn't even a real group, just a loose coalition that really didn't do all that much. Made no noticable difference in either blackmore battles, and didn't ever make the stats page. To sum it all up, AHAHAHAHAHAHAH ARE YOU KIDDING ME? --Dickhole The Great 22:21, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Dickhole, you we'ren't here in the glory days of the corleone's in fact, you got here during the decline, , so whatever you know it dosen't matter, we made the stats page for 3 striaght months with 16 people and some yes did not listen to the groups current were abouts but 10 of them did and if that person is priz, i didn't try to command him. DGH shut up.

I'm assuming you're vito. I'm not going to get into this with you. My vote is no, and its not changing--Dickhole The Great 23:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

it's not even that, it's just you we'ernt htere for out historical impact, so you know nothing about it

Dickholeguy isn't it a bit odd that you use the NMC Template saying you are part of the NMC etc etc get you refuse to vote for a group that is/was an active part of the NMC into historical groups? Its hardly supportive. --MarieThe Grove 10:51, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Well thats not very nice is it? I think its a shame that this group won't be remembered properly. Where have the old members of your group gone- have they left or been absorbed into C4NT? Do you know what happened to Tony Blair aftre the AoG fiasco? --MarieThe Grove 15:56, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Could you please sign your posts? ~~~~ is all it takes. -- ∀lan WatsonT·RVP 03:20, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

whatever happend to the aog, we split up, and im mad that i will have no lasting legacy it ticks me off to no endVito The Don

One of the earlier groups in the game, and a very early example of an pre-existing community coming enmasse into the game. I think the recent victories of Shacknews is evidence enough of how important this phenomenom is to the game -- ∀lan WatsonT·RPM 10:22, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Voting ended 5th December, rejected as did not get the minimum 2/3rd of yes votes. PillsyFT 10:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

No - I've never heard of them myself since I've been in UD and no-one has spoken about them in the places I frequent. Unless someone can give me something to go on it has to be no.PillsyFT 10:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

The last edit on the page was in August, announcing the group had disbanded (and the last edit before that one was months old). I don't know if the Movie Club ever played a significant role in the zombie/human balance of power, but in my opinion the group had a fun RP purpose, and one that obviously appeals to other players (as shown by the Now Playing and Cinema Status pages). Most of the abandoned group pages that get deleted are indistinguishable "Kill all zombies/survivors" groups, but this one had more going for it, and I'd like to see it preserved if there's support. --Paul Brunner 21:10, 28 October 2006 (BST)

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No - I've heard of them, but only because I randomly stumbled accross their Wiki page one day. --SirensTRR 12:38, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

No - Respect to them for actually RPing, but until today? I didn't have a clue who they were...--Flatliner 14:26, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes Too bad it wasn't maintained better, because it was unique RP. I wish somebody would claim it as their own and run it as a current group (I would, but I don't have time). Asheets 16:15, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

No - I don't belive they actually made an impact ingame. Otherwise I would vote yes. PillsyFT 14:42, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes - There are more ways to make an impact on the game than just killing lots of other players. Maybe a lot of people haven't heard of the Movie Club, but what they started could turn into a city-wide trend. --Naveen Andrews 18:16, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

No - I like their concept, but I don't think I'd include them if I were tracking the history of the game, which is what I think the Historical Groups section should do. -- Alan WatsonT·RPM 12:30, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

No - I agree with almost everything Naveen Andrews said, but the fact of the matter is, they didn't make an impact on the game. If you're going to be a historical group, you need to have been a group that most people knew about. Great concept and I love that their main purpose was RPing, but they just didn't make a big impact. Admirable but not historical. --Dorian Miller 06:57, 3 November 2006

No - two edits to their wiki page? How about no?--Gage 01:15, 28 October 2006 (BST)

Yes - Those two edits match up with the statement that this squad disbanded in the "mid months of 2006". Good enough for me. --MorthBabid 05:52, 28 October 2006 (BST)

No - If its part of CoL shouldn't it already be listed under historical groups? Can't we just attach it to there? --MarieThe Grove 12:28, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

RE - It's not a direct part of the CoL. --YuriRuler90 21:17, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

No - I was, by no means, around at the time the CoL and early days of Urban Dead but I still looked deeply into history. I don't remember hearing a thing about Squad Zulu. –XoidM•T•FU! 03:32, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

No - For the same reasons as Xoid. --Officer Otep 12:17, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

No - I know they were loosely connected to the CoL, but other than occassionally hearing "Ia! Ia!" and seeing it in people's sigs, I never heard of anything they did. --SirensTRR 12:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

No - With a caveat. Personally I'm sort of sick of all this "sekrit operation" BS I've seen built into all the CoL stuff. If you include more information, like your roles in the battles or the formation and composition of the group then I'd gladly change my vote. I've been sort of interested in just what the big deal about the CoL was but the wiki pages on the subject are useless. -- Alan WatsonT·RPM 12:33, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes- I remember squad zulu back when i started, a time when i once left my character outside overnight for a number of days with no worry of dying. Before "closing doors" and "barricading" were even thought of :p --Rizo299 18:38, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes - I remember these guys. Most of the earlier groups are historical by virtue of their being groups at all. --Ron Burgundy 17:37, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes - They were much talked about in those early days when I started out. Maybe none of the noobs know anything about them, but hey, that's because they're history. Whether they did anything or not is irrelivant. They could have had no active members for all I care, they had a strong presence in early UD. Smelly wet fish 23:43, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Yes - I'll wait until confirmation of Marie's claim. Then again, if they're operating under a new name and are not claiming ties to their old group, doesn't that make Ars Requiem a defunct group by default? –XoidS•T•FU! 17:13, 4 October 2006 (BST)

Well I was thinking about that a few days back. Techinally I suppose it does mean that but well I'm confusing myself now but well if its the same group under different name isn't it the same? --MarieThe Grove 16:28, 13 October 2006 (BST)

No - Ars Requiem have not split up, I repeat they have not ended. They have taken to undercover operations under the name of Zombie Inc.. or the group name Z-Team. Their talk pages have 'conversions between them' but they are the same people. I've spent hours looking into it after they invaded Judgewood months ago under a different group names pretending to be part of 5punk. --MarieThe Grove 17:21, 4 October 2006 (BST)Yes - Well what I say is true but I can see peoples point of view that if its under a new name then this one isn't active so I withdraw and I'm changing my vote for it :) --MarieThe Grove 18:10, 16 October 2006 (BST)

Are you certain? Try asking them directly, tell them why you're asking of course, and report back. –XoidS•T•FU! 17:25, 4 October 2006 (BST)

Well I can show you some of the private stuff The Grove found on this, Its dodgy but it does match up. I'd love to ask Ars Requiem if they are part of Zombie Inc. but hell they know I know and they've never denied it. Amyone know how to contact Ars Requeim because have no idea how we found this stuff. To save space and stuff on this in case it ends up being really long I'll put it on my talk page now. --MarieThe Grove 20:10, 4 October 2006 (BST)

Yes -- I'm going to say yes unless a member of Ars Requiem comes forward and says they are still active. PillsyFT 10:53, 9 October 2006 (BST)

Yes -- And I'll tell you why... Even if the people who were Ars Req is still active, they are not active under that name. Since that indeed means that Ars Req is not active, that means the group page is subject to deletion. Since I don't want that to happen the Ars Req page needs to be inducted into the "Historical Group" category. ConndrakamodTCFT 12:14, 13 October 2006 (BST)

I would nominate the original CoL for this category, but they don't really fit the 'had a big effect on the game' category. They did, however, have a big impact on the unofficial forums and gave the impression of having an effect, so perhaps they should be included. notthemilkybarkid 19:34, 10 August 2006 (BST)

Well, I think the "New" CoL would qualify as a Historical Group, and they were created because of the Original CoL. I say yes. --SirensTRR 00:25, 11 August 2006 (BST)

The original CoL is apparently back so they are no longer historical. Sonny CorleoneWTFRRFASS 02:28, 21 August 2006 (BST)