Thanks, basically confirms what I am saying . While Gleiwitz is mentioned these are for different dates or for different incidents.

The only reference remotely fitting the Naujocks description I could find in a Freiburg newspaper article. But also that's nothing like stage and exploit. And going through the Naujocks affidavit the logical mind quickly gets the impression that the only thing staged here was his testimony.

Re: Hitler's Outpost. German Sabotage in Poland in 1939, by Dr. Tomasz Chinciński

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Originally Posted by APTheunissen

Thanks, basically confirms what I am saying . While Gleiwitz is mentioned these are for different dates or for different incidents.

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August 31

4. Report of the Chief Constable at Gleiwitz.Towards 8 p. m. the German Broadcasting Station at Gleiwitz was attacked by a troop of Polish insurgents and temporarily occupied. The insurgents were driven off by German frontier police officers. One of the insurgents was fatally injured.

Re: Hitler's Outpost. German Sabotage in Poland in 1939, by Dr. Tomasz Chinciński

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I did not doubt that the incident took place. I doubted that it was the immediate "trigger" to attack Poland. That is confirmed by the article above.

My point was that the narrative from the Naujocks-affidavit was entire bogus and that the "Gleiwitz incident" didn't feature prominent in the German media of the time. The relative prominence in the Freiburger newspaper was an exception.

Re: Hitler's Outpost. German Sabotage in Poland in 1939, by Dr. Tomasz Chinciński

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Originally Posted by APTheunissen

My point was that the narrative from the Naujocks-affidavit was entire bogus and that the "Gleiwitz incident" didn't feature prominent in the German media of the time. The relative prominence in the Freiburger newspaper was an exception.

Re: Hitler's Outpost. German Sabotage in Poland in 1939, by Dr. Tomasz Chinciński

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Sorry, misunderstanding. I agree.

I recall having read somewhere else that people that worked in the radio station actually only recall some uniformed people showing up (Not sure, if police, SS, army) to test their microphone or something like that. But I would have look that up to get the exact testimony.

One should also have a look at the relevant Wochenschau on what is mentioned there:

Re: Hitler's Outpost. German Sabotage in Poland in 1939, by Dr. Tomasz Chinciński

For those not speaking German the newspaper text:

Main headline: POLAND DOES NOT WANT TO NEGOTIATE
Below: Provacant silence about German proposals
Below: Attacks on ReichsGerman settlements
Below: Attack on Gleiwitz Radio Station - numerous casualties

First article: The Royal British Government in a note from July 28th agreed to render her mediation concerning direct negotiations between the German Reich and Poland about disputed problems. She has let no doubts about being aware of the urgency of the matter behind the background of ongoing incidents and the general European tensions. The government of the German Reich in a reply note from July 29th has announced to accept those proposals and mediation for the sake of peace despite her sceptical stance on Polish readiness to come to any agreement at all.
Regarding all circumstances she regarded it to be necessary to emhasize that if any danger of a catastrophe can be avoided such activities must occur immediately.
For this sake she has agreed to receive until August 30th's evening a Polish deputy being not only entitled to discuss but also to negotiate and to finalize negotiaton results.
She has also decided to be able to render all details of the German proposals to His Majesty's government during the time until the Polish negotiator will arrive.
Instead of a notice of the arrival of an authorized Polish negotiator the German government as answer to her prepredness to negotiate received notice of the general Polish mobilization on August 30th, midnight and a very unspecific declaration of the British government to render some assistance for starting to negotiate.
Although the non appearance of a Polish negotiator invalidated the reason to transmit the German peace proposals to the British government, His Majesty's government having opted for such negotiations herself, Foreign Secretary Ribbentrop gave detailed informations about the German proposals to the British ambassador during the delivery of the British note for the event that the Polish negotiator nevertheless would appear later.
The German governemnt believes to have a right that such a Polish negotiator at least later must be entitled by the Polish government.
The German government cannot be expected not only to announce willingness to conduct such negotiations but also to be availaible around the clock for that purpose during being played along with meaningless excuses and senseless prevaricates by the Polish government.
From a Demarche received by the Poish ambassador in the meantime it was learned that he himself would not be entitled to discuss anything or even to negotiate.
This way the Führer and the German governemnt have waited in vain for two days on the arrival of a Polish negotiator. Practically the German government regards her proposals again to be refused while having the opinion that those were loyal, fair and easily to be fulfilled.
The government of the German Reich regards it to be necessary to inform the German people about the negotiation basics which had been transmitted by the Foreign Secretary Ribbentropp to the British ambassador.
The situation between Poland and the German Reich in present is in a way that any further event can lead to a discharge of the military potential being deployed on both sides.
All peaceful solutions must be in order that such events cannot repeat themselves so that comparable conditons cannot occur in the next time and not only the East of Europe but also other territories are not again exposed to such tension..

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AMBUSH ON GLEIWITZ RADIO STATION

Radio station employees beaten down with clubs

Thursday at 8 p.m. the Radio Station of Gleiwitz was occupied by a Polish insurgent' s ambush. The Polish forcefully entered the radio station facilities. They succeeded in reading a Polish declaration in Polish and partially in German language. They were however overpowered by Gleiwitz Police Forces after a short time, having been alarmed by Gleiwitz radio listeners. Police had to use weapons, there had been casualties on the Polish side.

According to investigation of the Gleiwitz Police Head Office a group of Polish insurgents shortly after 8 p.m. entered the building of the Gleiwitz radio station. At this time only a small night shift was on duty. The Polish revolutionaries must have had excellent knowledge of the location. They clubbed down the guard and immediately entered the transmission facility.
The personnel being present there also was clubbed down with bats and clubs.Then the radio station Breslau was switched off and by using an own microphone some message was read over the Gleiwitz station in Polish and partially also in German language. The insurgents spoke as "Polish Gleiwitz Radio Station" and pretended to speak in the name of "Polish Volunteers of the Upper Silesian Revolutionaries". Theydeclared the city of Gleiwitz and the Radio Station to be in "Polish hands". Then they added mean insults to the German nation and spoke of a Polish Breslau and a Polish Danzig . The message was signed by the chief of the Polish volunteers.

The listeners of the Gleiwitz station takenby complete surprise immediately called Police. Those were at the scene after a few moments, closed the area and switched off the radio station. The insurgents then opened fire on the police. After a short fire fight police as able to arrest the insurgents of which one was killed. In the posession of the insurgents the message transcript in Poish and German language was found. One insurgent was arrested in front of the building. Police interrogations are not completed yet.
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The "Upper Silesian Revolutionaries" were a militant Polish minority in German Upper Silesia. Those 3 times (1919, 1920, 1921) tried to separate Upper Silesia from Germany and to annex it to Poland. Those separationists were not officially supported by Poland. It is hard to conceive that such an incident could be used to start a war against Poland.

Re: Hitler's Outpost. German Sabotage in Poland in 1939, by Dr. Tomasz Chinciński

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Do you even know a thing about what "western consumers" want?

I think I've heard about this authors work - I've seen it desribed, as Kazan noted as, as presuming a lot of things often with little proof.

For example the bomb attack at the Tarnow railway station allegedly done by Germans. Highly dubious.

Does the author say anything about the activities of intelligence services in Polish controlled areas, except for German and Polish ones?

Here is a Communist depiction of the Gleiwitz incident:https://archive.org/details/DerFallG...filmPropaganda
Naujocks wasn't of much interest to Historians after 1945. He also was never apprehended for what he was incriminated into by the affidavit text, to the contrary he became quite wealthy in post-war Germany.