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it doesnt matter who you cast, if the writing isnt there then the movie is going to suck no matter what. Ive been saying this for years, the only way to save these movies is to keep bay out of the scripting process & hire new writers. New actors is a step forward but its not going to be enough. I just hope story wise we'll see something new & not just another rehash. We've seen Unicron & Galvatron enough & we dont need to see Megatron revived in some stupid way again only to act like a little **** and die in the end. Its time to make some new villains or bring back some we havent seen in a while. Or maybe use some that have never been used in the cartoons or movies, draw some inspiration from the comics. Just dont steal the name like what was done with the Fallen. Hasbro & Takara have been making new characters for years it shouldnt be that hard. Maybe for bay it is but for everyone else it shouldnt be.

T-Macksimus wrote:This is my message for the folks regarding the films:The biggest problem with the franchise isn't who is at the helm of these movies, it's not the actors, it's not always even the script. It's the fans and the inability for most of them to realize that they (personally) are not the center of the TF universe. This goes out to every TF moviegoer or TF fan that refuses to see the films: Stop being a selfish prick!! The audience range for these films is somewhere between 8 and 40 something so how dare you, in your arrogance, call something a complete piece of crap when you cannot POSSIBLY create something that will please everyone in that range. YOU didn't like it so it is therefore garbage?? Dude, seriously...there's the door to the fandom, don't let it hit your ass on the way out! When are you people going to learn that no 2 individuals, regardless of whether they are fans of the same topic, are going to see the same thing the same way. I've said it a thousand times on here; Art, music, books, movies...these are all subjective, all open to different interpretation for each and every person. The live action films have to have something for everyone. You may not like that fact but you had damn well better accept it because it is not going to change, not for you and your narrow-minded pov, not for anyone.

On the off chance that that didn't infuriate enough of my fellow fans on here:

Bay at the helm of TF4... I don't care. Might as well keep him since we are used to it by now.Wahlberg in the leading role... I'm totally cool with that.Redesigned Characters... I'm cool with that too. Not like I'll be buying the toys anyways so I don't really care what they look like on screen except for Optimus staying as a truck. That's just iconic Prime for ya.Unicron as a plot point... Biggest GD mistake they could make! I'd rather gouge out vital parts of my anatomy with a spork than put up with Unicron in the live action films. He died in 1986 along with his VA as far as I'm concerned. Show some respect for the past and leave him the hell ALONE! Fox/Whitley style eye candy... absolutely DOES NOT belong in the TF universe, did NOTHING for the films. Inappropriate and unnecessary.Anything that I may have left out, anyones buttons I haven't pushed, just let me know and I'll be happy to bring up a topic that WILL irritate/berate you and give me an opportunity to piss in your cornflakes. That's what I'm here for.

Couple of things for you to consider;

1. Take a chill pill. You rave about about people who rave(?) about bayformers.

2. Am I a selfish prick since I don't want to have anything to do with these movies anymore (been there done that) and I don't want to spend any more money to those to prove that I am a "true fan"? I sure don't support something I don't like and believe at any level.

3. I have never called anyone who likes these movie a prick or even stupid person, though I might start with you. Then again, maybe I rather be a selfish prick that a stupid prick.

The audience range for these films is somewhere between 8 and 40 something so how dare you, in your arrogance, call something a complete piece of crap when you cannot POSSIBLY create something that will please everyone in that range.

4. I wouldn't even try to create something that pleases everyone, for this is one of the things that is wrong with movie industry nowadays. You try to please everyone. I can tell you that usually in business a company that tries to sell everyone, isn't actually selling to anyone. That how it goes.

5. I still don't have to get behind your views and who are you to show me a door to anywhere, bud?

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T-Macksimus wrote:BLAH BLAH BLAH...I'll be happy to bring up a topic that WILL irritate/berate you and give me an opportunity to piss in your cornflakes. That's what I'm here for.

You just openly admitted you're here to start flamewars. Get off your soapbox and take your own advice. If people don't like the movies for ANY reason, that's their right to do so. You say they have narrow points of view when you can't accept those very same points of view? You hypocrite. Get over yourself.

............."We're gonna see just how much Rod they can handle!"............

Focusing on whose playing the human characters in these films is like advertising a boxing match between two heavyweights and selling it on the fact that Joe Schmo is going to referee the fight. Does anyone really care? I would've thought the biggest and best selling point for these movies would be the giant-ass robots beating the crap out of one another and laying waste to cities in the process.

Does this mean we may lose SS, Wreckers, Dino and possibly Ratchet and BB, replaced by Hot Rod, Bulkhead, Hound, Inferno, Kup, Blurr and Wreck-Gar, as the Bots would be like jerky pimps? Does this mean that some young high school chick has a crush on some hillbilly/redneck joining them. Does this mean Unicron and some new Cons would be like b******, suffering by humans so quickly with cheap fights and lame explosions? Does this mean it would be all about humans all over again? And, does this mean TakaraTomy's toy designers would have a lot of headaches to make show accurate transformations that look like crushed metal ready for the scrapheap thanks to Michael Bay's so called "realism" while Hasbro makes a lot of useless BB redecos!?

May Primus strike Bay so harshly!

And if this movie sucks more than DOTM, then I hope Hasbro makes some G1 reissues for us! Please, don't make them HasbroToyShop/Amazon/BigBadToyStore or Toys R Us exclusives, B/c those places are to expensive. And if you put them in all retails, DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT MAKING THEM EXPENSIVE!

Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'

Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'

Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'

Burn wrote:You are aware of the 21st Century and that he's actually a very accomplished actor right?

That he's still stuck in the past doesn't surprise me.

Not to mention that most actors and actresses had some shameful starts in the business before going on to big things and even pick up a few Academy Awards along the way.

Yeah, just look at Tim Allen. He got sent to prison way back and yet went on to become an icon of American family comedy entertainment.

Jean Claude van Damme, Sylvester Stallone...

Stallone was a former porn actor, but Van Damme was an ex-bodybuilder/martial artist, and used to run his own gym in Belgium. Went to the US with a few dollars in his pockets (popular exaggeration) and got his first starring role in Blood Sport when he waylaid some director or producer and performed a midair spinning kick in front of him.

What's so shameful about that? Or is there something about his bio I'm not aware of?

Anyway, back to Mark Wahlberg...I just watched The Other Guys and it was pretty good. He's an OK comic actor. I prefer his other movies, though, like Four Brothers or Shooter. He did make garbage like Max Payne and The Fighter...

............."We're gonna see just how much Rod they can handle!"............

For me, what is beyond frustrating is that the robots never talk. The designs grew on me. I accepted the movies as a roller coaster ride of nonsense. But if you are a transformer, unless your name is mudflap, skids, megatron, or optimus prime, you don't talk, and I will always be something of a bayhater for that.

Is it that hard to make the main characters of a movie about transformers be main characters? I don't even care if their mouths don't move and it's a frozen still of the robot. Let them say something!

That's what I loved about Transformers and GI Joe as a kid -- all the great different personalities. Starscream is one of the great original character-types of all time, and you can count on two hands the number of words he utters in all three movies combined.

That said, I also got back into transformers because of the movies - even though I didn't like the movies. But I was excited for the movies, explored what's out there and discovered Animated - which is funny because it's really no different than the movies, but yet completely different. Its robots talk, for one, and it was friendly enough to share with my young kids.

DarkEnergon wrote:For me, what is beyond frustrating is that the robots never talk. The designs grew on me. I accepted the movies as a roller coaster ride of nonsense. But if you are a transformer, unless your name is mudflap, skids, megatron, or optimus prime, you don't talk, and I will always be something of a bayhater for that.

Is it that hard to make the main characters of a movie about transformers be main characters? I don't even care if their mouths don't move and it's a frozen still of the robot. Let them say something!

That's what I loved about Transformers and GI Joe as a kid -- all the great different personalities. Starscream is one of the great original character-types of all time, and you can count on two hands the number of words he utters in all three movies combined.

That said, I also got back into transformers because of the movies - even though I didn't like the movies. But I was excited for the movies, explored what's out there and discovered Animated - which is funny because it's really no different than the movies, but yet completely different. Its robots talk, for one, and it was friendly enough to share with my young kids.

Haha very much agreed! I found it annoying that only certain Transformers talked too...And it doesn't just undermine the characters, it undermines the voice actors as well. (Poor Robert Foxworth, for example...Only three lines in ROTF and not many more in DOTM)

I'm writing my own fan-fic'd Transformers trilogy and the three main things I've concentrated on are; character, character and character. I've basically plotted out all the individual Autobot and Decepticon journeys (for they are supposed to be the focus, of course) and only relatively recently have I started weaving the humans into it (though I did decide early on that the Witwicky family were going to be a bit more 'useful' than their film counterparts...Especially the parents! Hehe )

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I've been compiling a scale list (largest to smallest) of the Film Transformers based on; vehicle/alternate modes (with the best dimension data possible), as many official charts I could find & most crucially, the figures I actually own & desire! If anyone would like a bit of assistance in scale or would simply like a peek at the list, do say so! ^^

(Also been working on something big; I'm a writer, so that's a clue... )

Thanks to the The Hollywood Reporter we have an update of the Transformers 4 casting process. Big news came last week when director Michael Bay confirmed that Mark Wahlberg will indeed take the lead role in the next installment of the Transformers franchise, but you may recall the earlier casting news that Paramount was looking for a young couple to play a high school senior aged girl and her race car driving boyfriend from Texas. According to The Hollywood Reported the the young female will be Wahlberg's daughter. Bay will begin testing for the two younger lead roles this week, here's the short list of actors and actress vying for the roles:

The article goes on to say Paramount is signing the TF4 actors to a strict three film deal.

In a separate article on The Hollywood Reporter it was revealed that Thailand is being scouted as a potential filming location.

Ilt Jones, location manager for all three of the Transformers movies, has just wrapped up a tour of Thailand on behalf of Marvel, where he explored Bangkok as a potential shooting location for Transformers 4, The Hollywood Reporter has learned.

As much as I like Abbie Cornish (the only one on those lists I've actually heard of) isn't she a bit old to be playing a girl of high school age? She's older than those guys who could potentially play her fella.

Whatever. I'm so close to giving up on the whole Transformers movie thing anyway.