I watch people who wear their underwear into the shower, or shorts, or hide behind towels, and I wonder what it's like to not be comfortable with yourself. I'm a big guy, BTW - not my prior 365, but down to about 235 (with a significant amount of muscle tissue mind you). I've worked at it, and I have no reason to be embarrassed.

Itís not about shame, itís about courtesy. You have no reason to be embarrassed but I still donít want to see your naked body. I actually donít have a problem with nudity in media but it should be peopleís choice to NOT have to see it in the same way that you can choose not to see violent media. That doesnít mean it shouldnít exist at all.

I'm not swinging my junk around, I'm not sitting nude on public seating ... I'd never wear a towel to the shower - I'm sweaty - why would I want to put my sweat on the thing that is going to be used on me after I'm clean? I find I only bother wearing the towel back from the shower to dry my legs, and that's only on occasion (or if the change room is cold). Beyond that, sorry, but if you look at me while I'm changing, yer likely gonna see a naked guy.

So here's a question for you, Lordnine, and think about it first : courtesy to what, exactly? What are you doing wrong in someone else's eyes by being naked in the shower or a change room? What form of courtesy is it, where another persons opinion of you overrules your own "sensibilities" in being naked in a place thusly designed for said state and with clear functional intent? Courtesy to children who have no interest in you more than they do an interesting tree, or bug, or rock they've seen? Courtesy to people who feel the need to cover themselves up, and expect others around them to do the same? Why is your disinterest in seeing naked people, while in a place expressly designed for people to be naked, more important than my need to get clean? You chose where you look. I've seen dozens of men in a day, and no penises, though they were all naked. I don't have any interest in it, so if you just relax about it, it becomes moot.

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For once I find myself wholeheartedly agreeing with Purge. The man talks sense! Nipples aren't sexual. If you think they are, what do you think a nursing mother is doing? Engaging in pedophilia? Is a topless woman at a beach looking for sex right there because she's showing some tit? Hell, what about nude beaches? Do you think they might as well have called them "orgy beaches"? If your answer was "yes" to any of those questions, then sorry. You're fucked up. If it was "no" and you still insist that nudity is sexual behavior that children need protecting against, then you need to take a step back and try to figure out exactly WHY you think this, because I'll venture to say you don't even know. It's one of life's (America's) "obvious truths", yet once you start to think about it there's nothing obvious about it, nor is it truth.

So here's a question for you, Lordnine, and think about it first : courtesy to what, exactly? What are you doing wrong in someone else's eyes by being naked in the shower or a change room? What form of courtesy is it, where another persons opinion of you overrules your own "sensibilities" in being naked in a place thusly designed for said state and with clear functional intent? Courtesy to children who have no interest in you more than they do an interesting tree, or bug, or rock they've seen? Courtesy to people who feel the need to cover themselves up, and expect others around them to do the same? Why is your disinterest in seeing naked people, while in a place expressly designed for people to be naked, more important than my need to get clean? You chose where you look. I've seen dozens of men in a day, and no penises, though they were all naked. I don't have any interest in it, so if you just relax about it, it becomes moot.

Well, to be completely blunt; if I donít know you on some personal level then youíre basically decoration, and I donít hang unpleasant art in my house. Youíre not damaging my sensibilities or making my uncomfortable (Well, unless youíre doing something REALLY bizarre), I just donít want to see it in the same way I donít want to see a display of modern art constructed out of random animal corpses.

Cultural upbringing is a hard one to move away from. Its easy to spot here who adheres to the American way of thinking, and who doesn't. Thats not to say one culture is better than another, but sometimes it pays to think about things you take for granted and then perhaps see if it's the product of cultural upbringing, which often adheres to outmoded or old standards that doesn't apply to current times.

Nipple showing is one such example - That such an uproar could be generated over a wardrobe failure is amazing. As several others have pointed out, a nipple isn't automatically a sex thing- its just another part of a human being. Hey, we all have them! But that specific part of the human body is prohibited to show? Why? Its not like its sex in any way?

Its also interesting to note that on a forum like this, we have rules regarding nudity, but none regarding depicting violence? This can be seen explicitly in threads like the 100+ pages fun pictures thread, where several gifs are rather graphic.

Nipple showing is one such example - That such an uproar could be generated over a wardrobe failure is amazing. As several others have pointed out, a nipple isn't automatically a sex thing- its just another part of a human being. Hey, we all have them! But that specific part of the human body is prohibited to show? Why? Its not like its sex in any way?

It's all about context. The Janet Jackson incident was solely about titilation. And can we stop with "wardrobe failure"? That was about as planned and blatant as you can get.

Cultural upbringing is a hard one to move away from. Its easy to spot here who adheres to the American way of thinking, and who doesn't. Thats not to say one culture is better than another, but sometimes it pays to think about things you take for granted and then perhaps see if it's the product of cultural upbringing, which often adheres to outmoded or old standards that doesn't apply to current times.

Exactly! For me it's clearly not a cultural OR an upbringing thing. I was born in America, my parents are immigrants but mostly traditional Chinese in cultural background. I try to approach things like this logically, or maybe just with a bit of independent thought and question. Why is a male nipple OK to show but not a female nipple? Why are most parents OK with violent content (even looking at cartoons) but not OK with anything even remotely sexually suggestive? Would you honestly rather have your kids see lots of killing/maiming/torturing vs. having sex? Why is it fine for children to celebrate 20 giant men smashing each other over a ball or 2 guys beating the crap out of each other, but emotionally scarring to see a star-covered nipple? Why is there a "fear" of sexuality at all?