No red lines, no YouTube clips, no "satellite images" of WMD this time: just more "straight to propaganda" speculation by the Pentagon. From Reuters:

The Pentagon said on Friday the transfer of heavy-caliber multiple-launch rocket systems from Russia to Ukrainian separatists appeared to be imminent with the arms close enough to the border they could be handed over "potentially today."

"We have indications that the Russians intend to supply heavier and more sophisticated multiple-launch rocket systems in the very near future," said Army Colonel Steve Warren, a Pentagon spokesman, adding that the weapons were in the over-200mm range.

Warren indicated the weapons had been seen getting closer to the border and the Pentagon believed a transfer was imminent and could happen "potentially today."

"We believe that they are able to transfer this equipment at any time, at any moment," he said.

So Russia "could", "potentially today" transfer rocket launchers to Ukraine. But wait, wasn't the same Pentagon reporting hours ago that Russia is now, with the entire world clearly watching, no longer even pretending to be not engaged and is firing at Ukraine forces directly from its own territory? Why would they stop now? And surely with every US spy satellite trained at east Ukraine, the moment this happens it will be blasted to every media outlet. Right?

More:

A multiple-launch rocket system is a wheeled or tracked vehicle mounted with multiple tubes capable of firing a half dozen or more guided or unguided rockets in quick succession at targets scores of miles (km) away. The rockets are generally 100mm to 300mm, with those over 200mm in the heavier-caliber category.

"We're very concerned with the quantity and the capability of weapons flowing from Russia into the Ukrainian separatists' hands," Warren said.

"There has been a continuous flow over the last several weeks of weapons and equipment from Russia to Ukraine," he said, noting that the "most egregious example" was a column of more than 100 vehicles crossing the border.

The Pentagon's assessment that a transfer of heavy weaponry was imminent came as Russian authorities accused Ukraine of firing a volley of mortar rounds across the frontier into Russia on Friday while a group of investigators was in the area assessing reports of cross-border shooting.

A Russian security official said up to 40 mortar bombs fired by Ukrainian forces fell in the Russian province of Rostov near the border where Ukrainian government forces are fighting pro-Russian separatists. There were no reports of injuries.

Then there was this:

EARNEST SAYS U.S. TALKING WITH EU ABOUT MORE RUSSIA SANCTIONS

And then, just to hammer home the message that crazy Putin, the "West's Public Enemy Number One" is about to invade Ukraine, we get this from Reuters:

MORE THAN 15K RUSSIAN TROOPS ON UKRAINE BORDER

Ok, we get it: the former KGB spy is on full tilt and deserves every #hashtag the West can unleash. So please activate the sanctions already, those including Gazprom and not the purely theatrical ones to date, and let's all sit back and watch what happens to Europe's economy.

NATO will counter this with massive weapon sales to Ukraine. The war will heat up, but can the US supply enough Nat Gas to Europe for the winter months? I saw Red October... the Russians have subs and aren't afraid of fire works demonstrations.

“On July 17 the commanding officer of 156th Anti-Aircraft Regiment was instructed to conduct a training exercise of ground troops stationed near Donetsk, which involved deploying the troops, and carrying out a routine tracking and destroying of targets with the Buk-M1 missile,” the source said.

The source added that the actual launch of the rockets was not intended.

Ask yourself why it is OK for western Ukrainians to blast the crap out of eastern Ukrainians with heavy Russian weapons but it is NOT OK for eastern Ukrainians to blast the crap out of western Ukrainians invading east Ukraine using heavy Russian weapons.

By the same logic the US should sponsor London in blasting the crap out of Scotland if it votes for independence in November.

Hey wetback lover, do you mine telling all the other squats to quit crossig into the US illegally. The country you love to hate has to take care of these peons. I for one would rather spend my money on American citizens not mexicans.

Actually they don't. From the introduction of the sling, countries throughout history have simply shot invaders crossing their borders. This may be the first country in history to cross the border themselves and advertise for foreign invaders to cross our border in order to pass an unfavorable immigration bill, though. But then again, history is littered with examples of fucked-up political tactics.

things are pretty grim. the awake are VERY awake, while the masses walk around in a stupor. Mr. Putin, with a 4 hour lecture and the facts on his side, has a very difficult time overcoming the propaganda coming out of western media. You can thank Common Core -- and its Federally controlled predecessors -- for the acceptance of Putin = Bad by the average American. Will enough see through this?

The greater audience can end dollar hedgemony, by getting out of the dollar. The shock to the system, of all that coming home may jolt the patient, bubus americanus, up off the table ... finally, to defend his interests.

He was already doing that though, it's called Iraq and Afghanistan.They have a lot of first hand experiencing in knowing what a treasury sucking endeavour occupying middle eastern countries is.

This is a bit different. Ukraine is right on their doorstep. A comparable equivalent might be if Canada was being puppeted by China and the US responded by annexing Vancouver or Toronto: it'd be right there in our vulnerable underbelly and we'd be mad as fucking hell about it too.

All this in an independent country which for 200 of the last 225 years has been a part of something called Russia or the USSR.

Poroshenko quit because he can't pay anyone, all the way down to the field cook. Those Uke soldiers are dying with no paychecks. Their families are starving, no healthcare, and they're being ordered to kill other Ukrainians.

They're fucking pissed, and if the generals don't shoot them in the back as they run, they're headed back to Kiev for some payback.

And this is all before the general public faces down IMF austerity for all the weaponry being shoved down their throats.

The big question is, are they using Depleted Uranium rounds, and turning eastern Ukraine into a lethal hot zone, while at the same time sterilizing themselves?

Very popular in Western armies, by the way. Western soldiers have been self-sterilizing for two decades or more. All that military surplus given to police departments? Still radioactive. Take a long drive in that MRAP, sheriff. Oh, what, you weren't told?

If true, and I am not saying it is, it would be the secondtime Ukraine has shot down a passanger jet with a anti aircarft missile during training operations. Not long after 9/11 Ukraine shot down one over Crimea while training operations of their systems. Until Russia provided evidence including radars and radio transcripts and black boxes, the Ukrainian government denied having anything to do with the shoot down. Now, does that sound familiar?

Speaking of evidence does anyone else find it strange that the USSA reports having satellite imagery of a Ukrainian Buk-M1 position for which it is claimed that the crew was on a boozer due to the number of beer bottles found littering the emplacement?

If you have the technical capability to count the damn beer bottles it must also be possible to image a 20 feet missile and all of the associated flashbang. And if you can see a 20 foot missile then it should also be possible to view the 50 foot TELAR that launched it.

But sadly the only thing we get from the billions spent on sat recon and other arcane arts is a beer bottle count.

Washington’s Jewish-dominated warmongers are not dealing with some tinhorn here. They are dealing with a superpower. And they are in the superpower’s zone of influence. And they are lying consistently, making accusation without fact. If anybody is threatening, it’s NATO. Look up “threat” in the dictionary and it says it’s NATO.

Russia has never threatened except to say, You build up, then we build up.

All through the CIA/NATO-created revolution that toppled an elected government in Ukraine, the US has consistently tried to portray Putin and Russia as a dangerous aggressor. If the Jewish warmongers and their sycophant Congressional puppets and White House Fool succeed in awakening this bear, they may face an enemy far more dangerous than they ever imagined.

Putin has tried in vain to protect the material and spiritual progress he has made for his people since their escape from the terrors of Bolshevism and its Iron Curtain over Russia. And because he would refuse to succumb to the debt-slavery wave, pushed by America and the IMF, he and his people have been targeted by the Fed's economic hit men.

Maybe John McCain wants war and maybe he will get it. But it will come in Russia’s zone of influence and it will not be the kind of war the neocons are used to: Attacking defenseless nations.

I've heard that Russia has radars that can defeat stealth technology as well.

If so, and the US cannot control the skies, I don't see how they have one chance in hell of holding territory near the Russian border. There is just no way the logistics can be accomplished in terms of putting that much metal on the ground, without putting the country on a strictly rationed war economy. Think Russia would allow even then, an amphibious operation to get close to it's shores, or to allow railroads leading up to it's borders to remain standing? Not a chance in hell.

In such a scenario, it's likely that china would cut us off from our "industrial base" and heap massive amounts of grief upon us.

Beyond simply being a matter of "weak will", this war is logistically impossible to win. It beggars to belief that such a confrontational strategy was even deemed useful. I mean, honestly, WTF?

"homophobia" is a laugh. The gay lobby in the EU and US is very good at putting concepts like "homophobia" out there to help spread their agenda and stunt debate. Putin didn't even enact the law the Duma did - they see the crap that goes on in the US and EU socially and want no part of the destruction of the family unit, let alone the massive attack in the West on masculinity and heterosexuality (hint: it's nature, not a societal construct).

Anyway, there is a real threat to Russians in Ukraine if the Ukrainization goes to the end game Poroshenko and the Ukraininan Nationalists want. It's no laughing matter - ethnic Russians could very well become second citizens.

Come to Ukraine and I'll show you (and see the Maiden bums and thugs for yourself) - they are here every day still 24-7).

On 13 June 2000, Gusinsky was arrested on charges of stealing property worth more than $10 million from the state-owned "Russian Video" company, but three days later was released on bail. The case was halted and Gusinsky flew to Spain. On 17 September 2000, the Prosecutor General's Office filed another case alleging the embezzlement of $300 million from OAOGazprom. On 17 November 2000 prosecutors reopened the first criminal case against Gusinsky. An international arrest warrant was issued through Interpol, and on 12 December 2000 Gusinsky was arrested in Spain.

According to the Spanish daily El País, Gusinsky told the four Spanish policemen who came to arrest him at his home in the luxury Atlantic resort of Sotogrande: "You are making a big mistake. You don't know who I am, I'm a friend of Bill Clinton's."[4] On 22 December Gusinsky was again released, after bail of 1 billion pesetas ($5.5 million) was lodged.

His defence team including lawyer Pavel Astakhov claimed that the charges were politically motivated, and on 24 April 2001 the Spanish judge Baltasar Garzon declined to extradite Gusinsky to Russia. Later, Gusinsky was stripped of his Russian citizenship.

After moving abroad in 2001 Gusinsky created the satellite TV broadcasting company RTVi, which portrays events in Russia as presented by the TV networkEcho's journalists. The related web site newsru.com carries textual, photographic, and video news from Russia.

On 23 August 2003, Gusinsky travelled from Israel to Athens, where he was arrested under a Greek-Russian treaty for fraud amounting to millions in damages.[5] Intense pressure from American leaders (mainly from US ambassador in Athens Tomas Miller), Israeli officials and the European Jewish Congress on the Greek government led to Gusinsky's release within five days.[6]

In May 2004 the European Court of Human Rights has ruled that the actions taken against Gusinski by the Russian government were in breach of Sections 5 and 18 of the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights and Fundamental Freedoms.[7]

Gusinsky had a shareholding in Hapoel Tel Avivbasketball team for a period of three and a half years, acquiring 60% of the team in November 2000.

Gusinsky created NTV, the first independent TV channel in Russia. The emergence of 'NTV+', an offshoot from NTV channel, was a groundbreaking event for Russian media. NTV+ was the first satellite channel ever to broadcast in the former USSR. Gusinsky now owns the RTVi television channel and significant amount of other media assets in United States and Russia,including movie production companies, Internet portal com, radio and television stations.

Until November 2008, Gusinsky held 27% of the shares in the prominent Israeli newspaper Maariv, which he exchanged with Bank Hapolaim to settle a $28 million debt to the bank.[9]

Gusinsky and fellow Russian businessmen Konstantin Kagalovsky[10] launched on 17 March 2008 a Ukrainian TV station TVi.[11] They split due to a business dispute and Kagalovsky controls and continues to fund TVi on his own.[10]

Please keep your posts coming man as you are so funny you make my day!

This latest post caused my cartoonish mind to dream up an image of how your ancestors always found themselves at the very back of their "Longships" so, by the time they arose from their seats they could 'follow' all those ahead of them because the decision of where to go and what to do was already made for them.

Does the 'Berserk' blood still overtake your emotions when you're fighting other boys off?

....says the Russsian news agency run by the Ministry of Communications and Mass Media..

Are people really so naive and gullible on ZH now...

These are propaganda wars by both sides. It appears most folks on here think that if one side is lying then the other side must be telling the truth. It is not so simple, did it ever occur to you that both sides have their agenda and own spin on how this occured?

Please, try your best to separate the lies for the truth; use your eyes to see and read this Letter to the Editor in today’s San Francisco Chronicle.

Letter to the Editor

The state of Israel has accomplished what no Roman Empire, no Nazi persecution, no bigot has ever been able to do. It has made me ashamed to be a Jew. We are witnessing another massacre of the innocents. Anybody who cannot respond to the disproportionate response, to the suffering of the Palestinian people, to the targeting of schools, water plants, mosques and hospitals is truly a lost soul. And it grieves me beyond measure that my government is Israel’s enabler.

As another Jew, killed by our mentor the Roman Empire, once asked: “Having eyes, do you not see?”

– Michael Beer, Richmond

NOTE: Jesus was crucified by Roman soldiers in obeisance to a decision by the chief priests and the entire Sanhedrin; "the Romans had taken away the Jews' right to inflict capital punishment, so in order for Jesus to be condemned to death He had to be sentenced by a Roman leader. The Jewish leaders wanted Jesus crucified on a cross, a method the Jews believed brought a curse from God. They hoped to persuade the people that Jesus was cursed, not blessed, by God." (Lfe Application Bible)

"The war will heat up, but can the US supply enough Nat Gas to Europe for the winter months?"

We had to import gas last year. We also exported some, but in the end, we're just producing enough to meet domestic needs. To supply Europe, that would require rationing, and going back to coal power plants over the natgas ones that we've been putting in. We'd have some very unhappy campers here.

There's nothing .gov hates, hates more than a foreign government looking out for its own people.

It.is.intolerable.

The true government impoverishes it's people, imports millions of 'guest workers' both legal and illegal to take the jobs of natives, disarms them, taxes the productive, punishes the saver, erodes their rights, spies on them, confiscates their property without due process, kicks their doors in with a SWAT team for shits n giggles, fingers them when they attend a sporting event, taxes them globally and at death, and lingers like a poisonous malevolent cloud over their daily lives.

Arming people being butchered so they can defend themselves? Oh fuck no!

Tell the State Dept that Russia would be happy to arm both sides -- just like the American MIC likes to do.

In the meantime, tell them that Russia does not arm Freedom Fighters, as that seems to be America's specialty. They should also ask how the US differentiates between a good or bad regime, if that regime will not allow for a people's self-determination. Case in point: Syria vs Ukraine. Not to mention Serbia/Bosnia/Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya... where the US/NATO (North Atlantic Terror Org) get to bomb and terrorize at will (by fiat).

Very good post and to me, scratches at the core of the "Moral Authority" the US assumes it has and, many of us know it lacks.

If ANYONE is really interested in an unbiased view of the state and history of Ukraine since 'time memorial' to the present you should spend 10 minutes reading this excellent unbiased view from Ex Czech President Vaclav Klaus.

If the US CIA used financial devices to cause USSR to Collapse along with bribes to high level officials,

If the US Wall Street Sold Toxic Derivatives across Europe,

If the smartest guys in the Room ruined the US Financial Reputation & Wall Streets Reputation,

What is to say some cartel didn't plan to take out our Pension Plans, 401K Accounts, then strengthen their banking monopoly over small banks who have been disappearing since at least the 1980s, and continue to destroy jobs and other public corporations.

Not sure what follows logically. Allan Dulles, his brother and sister were involved in Finance before there ever was a CIA. CIA is a Covert Financial, Intelligence, and Military Organization that uses Proxies to skirt US Laws and accomplish Unknown Objectives (secret).

The same is True for European & US Banks. You can't separate Banking from any characteristics of a Military Republic. Such as Israel, USA, UK, Germany, Switzerland. Hm...and you can't separate Fascism from Banking.

Not really. But there is a novel that sort of followed Allen Dulles as an American Spy in Switzerland that also introduces you to Banking, BIS, Bank Spying, and how Swiss bankers were part of the Military & Intelligence Complex.

Swiss Account by Paul Erdman who was also an American and who Started a Swiss Bank.

Many intelligence experts[weasel words] regard him as one of the greatest spymasters of all time.

His father was a member of the Communist Party of Germany, and after Adolf Hitler gained power, Wolf emigrated to Moscow with his father, via Switzerland and France, because of their Communist convictions and because Wolf's father was Jewish.[1][2][3]

everyone does troll... it is the inconsiderate form of human life that seem to not understand that they are exactly what they are accussing their opposition of being... it is no wonder when dialogue like this becomes common places that the world devolves into the violence and blood shed we now see.... these people claim to speak for peace, but their words and manners show their true nature

No. That is where you are mistaken. I am in disagreement but I am not trolling. I am debating at this point. The key word which you used is "DIALOUGE".

When we have a TRUTHFUL and HONEST EXCHANGE OF IDEAS then that is a DIALOUGE. I may end up in disagreement with your position but we have had a dialouge. (Man I hope that I am in disagreement sometimes as it hones my debating skills as well as gets rid of my faulty understanding...)

Trolls, on the other hand, do their best to sidetrack, disrupt, or push an agenda. They have no interest whatsoever in dialouge.

They will use outrageous misinformation in order that you will waste your time getting the sources to reinforce your points. They use dishonest tactics and are liberal in the use of the Logical Fallacies..(.eg...Red Herrings, Bait and Switch, Ad Hominem, etc.) in order to upset the flow of dialouge.

They are more interested in a MONOLOUGE.

And when they are PAID to do that disruption then it is irritating at the very best.

Is that a valid clarification between disagreement and trolling?

I give trolls absolutely no respect. I am downright cold and mean when it comes to those whom I believe to be trolling.

Case in point...FlakFRAU. I will not tolerate her intellectual dishonesty. When I read her continual misinformation, her intellectual dishonesty, and her arrogance of believing that she is somehow brighter than anyone else...or everyone else...then I am merciless in my attacks as I turn them personal.

I give those whom troll the very same treatment that they are giving the crowd as I am equipped to do it.

If the member is honestly seeking dialouge then I will sometimes spend hours to formulate an intelligent response.

I am not paid to do that.

Just for your information it took me about 15 minutes to formulate this response. I believe you to be worthy of respect.

I'd suggest that "trolling" is more about NOT looking to engage in discussions. It's the intent of forums such as this to facilitate discussions/debate. Rev, and others like him, really don't converse, they just spew (usually highly inflammatory stuff [one could think that they're paid to get us to disclose ourselves or something]).

i find those that want to label others to their own understanding of honesty to be just as much trolls as those they don't want to listen to, therefore they negate any need to listen by shooting the messenger even when the message is stupid.... and because reading comprehension is quite low these day, rexrev's comment on the uranium incident is quite missplaced and ill-informed, but so is your reaction.

...they don't want to listen to, therefore they negate any need to listen by shooting the messenger even when the message is stupid.... and because reading comprehension is quite low these day...

Whose Reading Comprehension is low? You are on a Comment Board that is loaded with professionals in every walk of life. We have Physicists, Doctors, Engineers, High Level Bankers, Traders, Financial Analysts, Microbiologits, and a whole plethora of the elite intelligensia that frequent this Comment Board.

We also have people who are not as well educated, not as advantaged, and many kids living in their Parents' Basement. (Actually there was an article on ZH about that...).

If they are not as well educated then perhaps before they shoot their mouth off it may behoove them to read and learn. Reading Comprehension is an ACQUIRED SKILL. If they lack it then perhaps they need to learn to read before they write.

I have seen great patience with the Foreigner who speaks and writes English as a Second Language. I have seen professionals take their time, and take great pains, to educate the slower, or, younger members.

But when one is given a message repeatedly...like THIS IS NOT A GOP BLOG...and they continue to claim that it is when it is apparent that it is an Anarchocapitalist/Libertarian blog, then they are here to push a GOP agenda.

(Not that I mind that too much as I am also against the DNC) But it gets old...fast. I am also equally against the GOP as both the GOP and DNC support Big Government.

It is the False Paradigm of the Red Team/Blue Team. It is the application of the Hegelian Dialectic. Now these terms can be researched on the Web if they are interested. But they are not. I have dropped that terminology so many times. It is a simple copy, ctrl-c, and paste ctrl-v into a Search Engine and they can READ ABOUT IT.

Yet they refuse to READ.

If they are not willing to engage in dialouge then they are unwilling to learn and are interested in pushing an agenda.

How much time do you have to donate to educate?

Now this response took about twenty minute to compose. I have spent 35 Minutes on you.

Sexy Rexy full of SHIT.
One side is retreating/ defending whilst the other forwards AGGRESSOR.
My thoughts are with the SET UPON cowering down wondering why their GOVERNMENT wants to kill their children and their parents and grandparents who fought with their lives in WW11 to defend their country and the WORLD from the FASCISTS.

You keep asking for it, RevRex....day after day, same ,gov line from you, and you obviously pay no attention to the repeated reasons most here don't trust any leaders of major powers. Not ours, and not theirs. All lie and all kill without a second thought. Refute those facts.

You forgot to mention WWI with the Lisutania (and via intimate connection, WWII), Spanish-American War (remember the Maine!), Vietnam (Gulf of Tonkin), Iraq (weapons of mass destruction) War of 1812 (US was supplying France big-time), the Cold War (remember poor Admiral Forrestal). Did I miss one?

Indeed. $$ for the military industrial complex. Big profits, and steady jobs. Military gets to expand and more new toys. Lots of high paid jobs for generals and admirals. Look how many admirals and generals the USA won World Was Two with, and now see how many we have to run the corrupt trillions dollar orgy of theft called pentagon budget.

World War III started with the formation of the modern state of Israel, the action moved from there to Korea, then on to Vietnam, throw in a few South American revolutions, some African rebels slaughtering whites, and for a kicker, how about some various insurections on Island nations in East Asia. From there things just got slowly worse! This war has no "front lines" the so-called front lines are right outside your door on the street. Its only going to get hotter.

Don't forget that Putin has mobile death baby incubators....and he is buying aluminium rods from Africa....and then you saw that vial containing something that presented to the UN council.....and HOLY SHIT FOR CHRIST'S SAKE GO SHOPPING SO THE TERRORISTS...SORRY RUSSIANS DON'T WIN....the Russians hate us for our freedom and way of life....did you see those chemical labs?.....look over here!!!!

For clarification...I don't side with the US Government of the Russian government in any of this horse shit.

"Remind me......Why exactly are we trying to pick a fight with Russia?"

Because the West is TERRIFIED of a strong, independent, anti-Western Russia that refuses to be their energy burro any longer, that's why!

And because such a power can marshal other powers in line behind it as the one 'crossing the Rubicon' with regards to trashing the petrodollar.

And because Putin and Russia have the distinct ability and the BALLS to expose just how hollowed-out Western financial, economic, geopolitical and military power has really become by now.

And because Western leaders know that Putin knows just how pathetic and incompetent and dishonest they really are as they attempt to keep their banana republics afloat and the Western-dominated global order afloat along with it.

And because they haff to take a play from Hitler's playbook on creating an evil foe to distract attention from their own gross incompetance.

And finally - because these S.F.B.'s have nothing whatever better to do with their time, energy and money.

If you were to triple-agent this it might all come down to a strategy to get Russia to exhaust its resources as rapidly as possible by egging it on to sell to China, with China being hell-bent on growth it's a perfect setup*. Yes, the US doesn't want to see their old friends in Europe freeze to death, but what can one do when one is broke? The US still have energy reserves (and then there's always Canada and Mexico!), in which case this is a LONG game and calling "winners" might be a bit premature... (though, none of this is meant to oppose your good sense of understanding of the Big Picture).

* Of course, as a triple-agent you cannot broadcast this as such; you are NOT going to make it appear as such to your "friends" (Europe), you have to look like you're putting up a fight for them!