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You welcome buddy !

I m sorry to say that but I m amazed to see that Creed is no. 1 .
I have nothing against this niche of course, and think that quality is nice, specially the top notes, much less fond of the dry downs. But I can't have decent longevity with this house. And I don't ask for 10 hours, but often after 1-2 hours my Creed is gone...

I still have samples of all the "water" + erolfla + millesime imperial + Himalaya + GIT ... They are all so weakkkkkkkkk and so often very common and without any surprise!!! Also the drydown of many of the aforementionned ones is very similar, with this powdery smell.. My samples are sleeping since month with 90% remaining in it (they are 2 or 2.5 ml samples) ... Only BDP gave me decent longevity.

Creed is by far one of the niche that impressed me the less.

Well I guess that s also what is that great and beautiful with the world of perfume, we all have different tastes, even sometimes totally opposite tastes.

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First of all, to those that questioned it - Hermes and Guerlain have niche lines (and yes, Hermessence is Hermes) - Chanel should have gotten a spot too.

I'm glad to see Santa Maria Novella on the list - they deserve more chatter. i'd have selected Micallef because what I've tried I've liked, but I've only tried 4-5 fragrances and they are VERY expensive.

It is unfortunate only 20 options are permitted... Malle, Montale, Etat Libre d'Orange, Ava Luxe all deserve a spot on the list, but I know it's impossible to get them all.

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There seems to be a lot of confusion about what defines niche. It's very simple. It has nothing to do with subjective traits like quality of ingredients or size of the company or how expensive the fragrances are. It simply defines a company that produces products within a small niche category. In this case, a niche fragrance house is defined as a company that only produces perfume. The category is expanded somewhat here to include lotions, home fragrances, etc. This is opposed to companies that produce clothing, purses, etc. and are more accurately defined as designer houses. They design a wide variety of products, with (at times) a defining house theme or concept. By this definition, which is largely accepted in business and economics, many of the above would more accurately be defined as designer houses (Hermes, Comme des Garcons, etc).
I know some object to this strict definition of "niche." Personally, I like it because it is clearly defined and understandable, with very little gray area.

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Originally Posted by SlimPickins

There seems to be a lot of confusion about what defines niche. It's very simple. It has nothing to do with subjective traits like quality of ingredients or size of the company or how expensive the fragrances are. It simply defines a company that produces products within a small niche category. In this case, a niche fragrance house is defined as a company that only produces perfume. The category is expanded somewhat here to include lotions, home fragrances, etc. This is opposed to companies that produce clothing, purses, etc. and are more accurately defined as designer houses. They design a wide variety of products, with (at times) a defining house theme or concept. By this definition, which is largely accepted in business and economics, many of the above would more accurately be defined as designer houses (Hermes, Comme des Garcons, etc).
I know some object to this strict definition of "niche." Personally, I like it because it is clearly defined and understandable, with very little gray area.

-Slim

Thanks Slim, that's my conception of "niche" as well

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which can not fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-that principle is contempt prior to investigation." HERBERT SPENCER

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Originally Posted by bluesoul

It's part of Hermés.

Thanks, I was just a little confused about that

"There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all arguments and which can not fail to keep a man in everlasting ignorance-that principle is contempt prior to investigation." HERBERT SPENCER

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I know that the difference between "Niche" and "Niche as used within BN" is not a small one, but this selection destroys the rest of that concept by admitting the two houses with the longest line of perfumes since god knows when, and excluding véritable niche like Malle, Caron, or Montale. I had to look twice to believe that!

Top runners: the two houses which offer a multiple of what all others do - who's surprised?

That said, I love polls! Thanks for taking that upon yourself, Jenson.
Just beware of the hawks!

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Originally Posted by supracuhz

I'm no engineer, but don't the percentages seem wrong?

The percentages are calculated by dividing the number of votes a house receives by the total number of voters (not by the total number of votes). Since people can vote for more than one house, the percentages will add up to more than 100%.

Two roads diverged in a yellow wood, and sorry I could not travel both and be one traveler, long I stood and looked down one as far as I could to where it bent in the undergrowth; Then took the other, as just as fair, ...... I shall be telling this with a sigh somewhere ages and ages hence: Two roads diverged in a wood, and I -- I took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference. - Robert Frost

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Hmmm... Guerlain and Hermčs as niche houses? I always thought of them as more mainstream, but I guess they do share some characteristics of niche perfumery, even according to my own recent definition. Still, I think they both have a more marketing-based, brief-focused approach than what I would call hardcore niche, especially Guerlain since the LVMH takeover — but I can see some niche-like aspects in both of them.

In any case, since you listed them in your poll choices, and I admire many of their scents greatly, I voted for them...

Yr good bud,

JaimeB

"Why spend life seeking that which does not satisfy? Why remain a slave, when freedom waits? Let your life shine; illumine the world with your truth!"

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Originally Posted by TwoRoads

The percentages are calculated by dividing the number of votes a house receives by the total number of voters (not by the total number of votes). Since people can vote for more than one house, the percentages will add up to more than 100%.

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I agree with Basteri. Where is CARON ????
Also where is Annick Goutal, Divine, etc ????

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Have I told you about the scent of jasmine? Have I spoken about the smell of the sea? The earth is scented. And I perfume myself to enhance what I am. That's why I can not wear a perfume that bothers me. Perfuming is an instinctive wisdom. And like all art, it requires some knowledge of yourself..."
Clarice Lispector ( 1920-1977) - Perfumes da Terra / Earth Perfumes

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...which renders the per hundred absurd! But it doesn't have to be that way; one could modify that formula so it makes sense in multiple votes also. (This has been suggested before.)

I look at it differently.

The current method allows a person who voted for only one house to have as much weight in that house's 'favorability percentage' as a person who voted for many houses. To alter the calculation so that it added up to 100% would significantly dilute the impact of the single-house voter.

Two roads diverged in a yellow wood, and sorry I could not travel both and be one traveler, long I stood and looked down one as far as I could to where it bent in the undergrowth; Then took the other, as just as fair, ...... I shall be telling this with a sigh somewhere ages and ages hence: Two roads diverged in a wood, and I -- I took the one less traveled by, and that has made all the difference. - Robert Frost

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Guerlain - from this resurrected 2009 list

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