hi guys- this thread is for anyone wanting to discuss those evasive workprints, alternate and tv cuts......anyone else a big collector like myself? owning OVER 6,000 SUCH TITLES WHICH ARE HARD TO FIND OR OBTAIN, i help people reunite with their lost films.

if youre a creepy collector who think's he or she is too good enough to share or discuss anything ( and i know who u are ) ill make sure everyone gets the links to everything YOU have; bringing u down a couple notches!!!

Dont worry, you're all able to curse, disagree, rant, and / or compliment without fear of being blocked-but lets all try to help one another to get the stuff we want to collect.
Remember- we're here to enjoy, not act uppity because u own a room full of dvd's as opposed to 3 very trusty hard drives (4 tb each)...theres no reason not to share!!

soooo very welcome- and theres more fun to come!!! im gonna personally see to it that anyone wanting something in the collectables realm of movies wont have to go to some seedy dealer-and for those thinking that owning over 10,000 dvd's is the bomb!!!
(get a 2 TB harddrive, and transfer those dvd's onto something more saveable-and unceremoniously dump out all those useless discs, or use it to serve your friends beer... NO GUY WHO WANTS TO GET LAID AT ANY POINT WILL IMPRESS HIS POTENTIAL DATE WITH A PILE OF ****** DVD'S!!!! And unless she's into collecting clowns or porcaelin catS , wont want to stick around past some idiot explaining how he has hidden episodes of i love lucy....

Thank you! That's what it is about. Any director of a film would be happy to know someone takes enough interest in their work.

Work prints give a lot of insight into the film making process creatively and make for an interesting discussion. Most of us buy the originals many times over both on DVD and Blu Ray, not to mention VHS.

So saying that, it is so nice to see a work print if you are a fan of a particular film.

Back To The Future is one I would love to see! Batman 1989 and Returns 1992.

The workprint for Bladerunner is on the 5 disc BD version along with other versions and of course the final cut with Ridley Scott's commentary.

I love it when studios release different versions of a film in the same package. That way everyone is happy and they can happily sit alongside the other versions.

It's when they change a film's look and withhold the version many are used to that annoys me. Obviously Ridley Scott gets it and understands the needs of the people who support his work as in the fans.

Rough cuts are usually presented to a test audience and studio executives.
The studio in a lot of instances can order the director to make the required changes based on the opinions of the test panel answers.

Someone like Ridley Scott has a lot of control but for many other directors, the financiers can have the final say.

At the end of the day, they just want to get it to the widest audience out there.

I love it when studios release different versions of a film in the same package. That way everyone is happy and they can happily sit alongside the other versions.

It's when they change a film's look and withhold the version many are used to that annoys me. Obviously Ridley Scott gets it and understands the needs of the people who support his work as in the fans.

I concur. I'm very glad the BD of Legend included the European DC scored by Goldsmith. Much better storyline and film IMO than the US theatrical version. Gave me a whole new appreciation for the film.

The Tangerine Dream/Yes track is still a nice piece of music to listen to though.

I also recommend the extended 60-minute pilot of the The Invaders, included in the Season 1 DVD Extras, on the last disc.

Unlike the regular 45-minute pilot, which appears to have been sourced from an inferior time-compressed video master, the previously unseen extended version appears to have been transferred directly from a rough film print, and has a much grittier and more "filmic" look to it.

The extended pilot is a pretty good SF film in it's own right, with a great score by Dominic Frontiere. It's better than alot of material which passes for theatrical releases. If the A/V quality was a tad better, IMO it would probably be worth the price of the whole collection.

Apocalypse Now – A 330 minute long workprint circulates amongst collectors on the internet

Grizzly II: The Predator – This 1984 film, featuring George Clooney, Charlie Sheen, Louise Fletcher, John Rhys-Davies, and Laura Dern, has never officially been completed or released, and only the workprint survives.

Hello,
I was looking through Google going through searches for work prints and I came across this site and this post in particular and wanted to share my collection that I have been amassing over the past year and a half:

Miscellaneous:

Chasing Ghosts (2007) (1980's video game movie not commercially released or distributed)
Howard Stern Cleveland Funeral (1 dvd)
Howard Stern's Home Movies (1 dvd)
Vintage MTV - 2/25/1984
Turkish Psycho - Turkish remake of Hitchcock's Psycho
German Chainsaw Massacre-German Texas Chainsaw Massacre horror comedy
Killer's Moon- Four mental patients - who, due to unauthorized experiments, believe they're living in a dream and have shed all moral imperatives - escape and find their way to the nearest bus-load of stranded schoolgirls.
Aerobicide a/k/a Killer Workout
Disconnected (1983)-- Twin sisters are implicated in a series of slasher murders. The question is, did one of them do it, did both of them do it, or did neither of them do it?

Audience With HG Lewis - camcorder footage of HG Lewis giving a lecture/presentation. Runs a little over an hour.

Behind The Scenes Collection - Contains Unreleased camcorder footage for Evil Dead 2, Night Of The Living Dead 90 and Two Evil Eyes

Children Of The Corn Q&A w/ Courtney Gaines (2006)

Clerks On Location - Brian O'Halloran (star of clerks) takes you on a tour of all the locations used in the original Clerks movie! Never released before, this is from someone's personal home video footage!

Creepshow Tom Savini Camcorder Footage - For the first time ever go behind the scenes of Creepshow! This disc contains 2 hours of footage of the movie's special effects from conception to on set shooting from Tom Savini's personal collection! Footage includes Uncle Nathan's Return (set up + takes), Stephen King's Make Up Session, Fluffy (Uncompleted Prop Tests), Nathan's Birthday Cake Set-up, Development of Upson Pratt Dummy, Adrienne Barbeau's Head Splatter, and much much more!

Crow, The: Behind The Scenes - 90 minutes of raw footage from the set of the crow. Mostly focuses on the Skull Cowboy who was deleted from the final film.

Dawn Of The Dead 22 Year Reunion - Almost 2 hours of home video footage from Cinema Wasteland during the 22 year reunion of George Romero's Dawn Of The Dead. Includes interviews, Q&A sessions, Movie Clips, and more!* Featuring Ken Foree, David Emge, Scott Reiniger, and Tom Savini.

Day Of The Dead Tom Savini Camcorder Footage (2 DVDs) - This is Tom Savini's behind the scenes camcorder footage from 'Day Of The Dead'. This covers most of the big special FX shots, along with FX tests, stuff being made & a lot of the zombie makeups being applied. It has never been released anywhere!

Friday The 13th: Q & A With Jason's 2, 3, & 6 - Sit back and watch this hilarious Q&A from 2006 with three of the Jason's from the Friday The 13th films! The actor's who portrayed Jason and featured in this Q&A are: Steve Dash- Jason Voorhees stunt double from Part 2, Richard Brooker- Jason Voorhees from Part 3, and C.J. Graham- Jason Voorhees from Part 6!

Phantasmania Convention Footage - Home video footage from the PhantasMania convention in Austin Texas on April 1st, 2000. Angus Scrimm (The Tall Man), director Don Coscarelli, and Reggie Bannister are up on stage introducing the Phantasm films which were shown at the convention, and giving the hungry audience little anecdotes about the creation of the movies. Clips from Kenny & Company are shown, a trailer for PhatasMania is shown, Reggie serves ice cream to some fans, and special effects artist Gigi Porter disembowels a girl onstage. Reggie also plays guitar and sings a few tunes with some friends. Also included are 30 minutes of footage from a Fangoria Weekend of Horrors convention where Angus Scrimm, Reggie Bannister and A. Michael Baldwin speak to the audience and narrate video footage and stills. Bruce Campbell even appears to introduce Angus Scrimm! This footage is also home video quality, but the quality is lesser grade than the PhantasMania footage

Phantasm 2 Behind The Scenes Camcorder Footage - Camcorder footage from the set of Phantasm 2 showing special effects, prop tests, candid moments with stars, and much more! Never released on any DVD.

Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2, The: Q & A - This was filmed on October 17th, 2006 at Cinema Wasteland, a horror convention in Cleveland, Ohio. A great and hilarious Q & A with the cast of TCM 2 including: Bill Moseley, Bill Johnson, Caroline Williams, Lou Perryman, & Tom Savini.

Twin Peaks: Dinner And Conversation From Another Place - This footage was filmed at a Twin Peaks Convention in 1993 in Seattle, Washington and features interviews and dinner speeches from Frank Silva (“Bob”), Catherine E. Coulson (“The Log Lady”), and Al Strobel (“Phillip Michael Gerard" aka" The One-Armed Man")

Let me share the tale of the lost version of the 1970 film Skullduggery. In 1952 a French author named Jean Bruller wrote a savagely satirical work on race relations called Les Animaux dénaturés. It told the story of the discovery of the "Missing Link" between apes and humans in New Guinea, a living species of primate called a "Tropi". The Tropis were quite human looking, slightly hairy, slightly shorter than average, they had nothing resembling human culture - they behaved like a troop of chimps or gorillas - and they had white skin.

The novel was translated quite straightforwardly into a screenplay, and a movie was made from the screenplay, starring Burt Reynolds, Susan Clark, and Roger C. Corman. Burt played the adventurous hero leading the lady scientist (Susan Clark) through the jungle in search of hominid fossils, and wonder of wonders - they discover the Tropis, a new species of primate that are very human looking. However they are a lot smarter than other primates, prompting a greedy industrialist to enslave them and use them for mining, paying them literally peanuts (and other forms of foods). The outraged lady anthropologist goes to the press to "save" the Tropis.

But this was America in 1970, still roiling in the wake of the assassinations of Martin Luther King and Robert F. Kennedy less than two years before. The country was not ready for, and could not accept, a straightforward French satire of race relations. For the central theme of "Les Animaux dénaturés" was that Tropis had white skins and were less evolved than Black humans.

Roger C. Corman played the scientist who impregnated one of the female Tropis the old-fashioned way. The local government gets involved then, because if the Tropis are inter-fertile with humans, they themselves must be considered human. Then Roger was charged with murder when he claimed to have murdered the resulting child after it was born.

Not only did they not promote the film Skullduggery, but when I stumbled onto the original version, it was relegated to an anonymous second feature in a cheap Drive-In Theater. Yet still the (entirely white) Mid-Western audience walked out in large numbers (drove out, actually) and booed the film.

I did not see the film again for over a decade, and the version shown on TV had had all the racial controversy edited out, including the inflammatory line screamed by one of the human protesters "Black skin takes 10,000 more years of evolution!"

All in all, about 30 minutes of the original film were missing, including all the racial controversy. There has never been a VHS tape or DVD to my knowledge. I do not know if the original cut of the film still exists. But the version you occasionally see on late night TV, which I have hopefully recorded a couple of times in the last three decades, has never been the original cut.

The edited and shortened version of the film has garnered a 4.6 rating on IMDB. IMHO the original version would earn somewhere between 8-9 and would still give rise to controversy in the 21st Century.