Quote:If you are working from a scientific/ evolutionary perspective relating and relationship's meaning would be found in wheither or not it supported the continued wellbeing/ life of the individual or group. In chimp societies you will find all sorts of behavior and different types of relationships.

Not as interesting as bonobo societies though... especially when it comes to recreational sex.

I think life is what you generally make of it, the choices you make, and the risks you take (or don't take).... So, you win some, you lose some, you come with nothing, and you'll leave with nothing. It's the stuff in between that makes it all rather "interesting".

Now, bonobos lead a rather casual, uncomplicated but no less interesting life... If re-incarnation exists, I think I want to be a bonobo in my next life... just eat, have sex, sleep, have sex, have some more sex, play, have sex... (not necessarily in that order)

Life,it means different to everyone, everyone persieves life in a different way.I think the real meaning of life is to learn. that (in my point of view) is a universal meaning of life, one we all have, but then there are others, specific to each individual person.For some it may be to protect or to help, others simply to live. i dont know, isnt this what we all meditate for??

take care everyone.

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Im not in this world to live up to your expectations and youre not in this world to live up to mine

If truth is perception then life means nothing except what you want it to mean. It is completely subjective and all is your responsibility to dictate.

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I agree with General Neo, the meaning of life is learning. From my years of learning martial arts, it's opened up a whole new world to me that I am always learning everyday. Neo's also right about people living in their own styles. People find a way through their life to live. This is a great topic.

Sounds like one of your last posts were right Matt . Everyone appears to have an answer which is correct... It all depends upon too many variables. To me it depends upon the end (after death). To some it depends upon the journey (present day)... Everyone is playing this game with a different set of rules which means that you are constrained by your own opinion/rules... Break free of those rules and you unleash more ideas on what life is (or at least makes it a hell of a lot more confusing ).... Great Thread though!

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As soon as you look at the world through an ideology you are finished. No reality fits an ideology. Life is beyond that. That is why people are always searching for a meaning to life. But life has no meaning; it cannot have meaning because meaning is a formula; meaning is something that makes sense to the mind. Every time you make sense out of reality, you bump into something that destroys the sense you made. Meaning is only found when you go beyond meaning. Life only makes sense when you perceive it as mystery and it makes no sense to the conceptualizing mind.

A great teacher of mine had this to say (I asked him when he was at home o na weekend and a bit drunk so it's slightly uh.. odd but there are some kernels of truth from his sober side buried in)...

"Someone finally asks the question now that the smoke is cleared...Well, this ought to clearly answer the question.

I believe in jacks of all trades and masters of none, but wouldn't it benice if someone would be consistent and follow through with just one thingand perfect it?

I believe that water is wet, the sky is blue, and grass is green, but thateveryone's concept of wet, blue, and green is skewed from what someone elsebelieve.

I believe that there is no greater hope for humanity that the love offellow-human that is present in nearly every religion, along with thereality that if you stop loving your fellow-human then you pronounce jihador crusade and try to annihilate their ass.

I believe that people have an immense potential for cruelty and occasionallyact for the good of other people just because they can and it feels right.

I believe that we are all miniscule thoughts in time of a greaterconsciousness than we will ever define with our muddled language that makesus pronounce tomato differently in the same country.

I believe in my dreams, and my terrors, which wouldn't make any sense to youbecause they are my demons and angels, not yours.

I believe that pancakes for dinner and ice cream sandwiches for breakfastare a sinful delight, but can't figure out why that is so wrong.

I believe there is a pronounced difference between religious andspirituality. To understand the difference, you need to understand thedifference between fly-fishermen and lure fishermen.

I believe people ask a hard question because they are looking for someone toanswer it for them and avoid the unnecessary unpleasantness that sometimesaccompanies deep understanding.

I believe there is a God and that he/she/it is laughing their cosmic ass offat me on a daily basis, especially when I decide to make a life plan toaccomplish something.

I believe sacred scriptures contain divine inspiration and keen insight intothe meaning of life, The Bible, The Koran, The I-Chang, and fortunecookies...oh, and South Park scripts.

I believe that life is a tragedy to those who feel and a comedy to those whothink.

You can find your wisdom and answers anywhere you want to find them. Theproblem is knowing when and where to look.

I believe that you should never trust a man who has two first names (e.g.Jesse James)

I believe that chaos killed the dinosaurs and our current attempt to rectifythat and create order in the universe will kill us.

I believe that people are either dog people or cat people. If they don'tlike dogs or cats, then they ain't people.

I believe that people who lack self-confidence see others who haveconfidence as arrogant.

I believe that the Traeger Grill is one of the greatest humaninventions--seriously, look it up on the web: amazing food I can cook withone of those puppies.

I believe my dog loves me, but she also loves to lick her own butt. Makesyou kind of wonder.

I believe that at the end of life, you get to meet up with all the socks andother items that just plain disappeared out of your life for no clearreason.

I believe that life is like a river, but rivers follow the path of leastresistance and that is what makes them crooked.

I believe that we are all wrong, but are too afraid of someone else beingright to listen to them very long, especially when it comes to the propertemperature for a cooked steak.

I believe that at some point you have to choose between living to work orworking to live. If you make the wrong choice, hopefully your friends willstart Farm-Aid to get you out of debt with the IRS like they did for WillieNelson.

Cruz, after 33 years of mucking up most everything and everyone around me, Irealize that it is all for fun. If you take anything too seriously, you'rebound to become serious, and that would be tragic.

Yeah, that's the short answer and a few of the conclusions.Try that on for size heh?Hehe.Feel free to share this with whomever. I've plagiarized most of itanyway--cheap bastardizations of the original brilliances wherever I pickedthem up.

Word,-A"

Also, you can find answers in the movie "Rosencrance and Gildenstern are dead."

Edited by Stormdragon (04/03/0802:16 AM)

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