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What are you trying to imply? 'I told you so'? because that would be ludicrous. If anybody watched him for Mainz and DIDN'T want to sign him in 16/17 then that would've been really weird. He was fantastic in 15/16, if you watched him in that season you'd have wanted to sign him for £5m too.

Were you delighted when we sold Torres for £50m? Of course you weren't. Sometimes transfers just completely fail and we don't see it coming.

As for OP, how ridiculous. Basically admitting to judging a player off one Youtube video.

'I can't believe professional footballers in the Bundesliga voted him the 2nd best goalkeeper in the league, when I've just watched a Youtube video and seen nothing spectacular!'

Aside from Timo Horn, Karius was the best goalkeeper we could've signed at the time. Unfortunately like I said, sometimes transfers simply flop, and I hope for the club's sake that Karius' Liverpool career is over. He should go back to Germany to find his feet again

It's absolutely ludicrous that you're getting criticized for wanting Karius, who was one of the best goalkeepers in the Europe in 15/16. You're such a moron for not being able to see into the future!!!

Yeah and at 4 million I don't mind giving him more time.
Just that I had this nagging doubt that how come he looks an average shot stopper with LFC if he was a good one before. As shot stopping is something most keepers easily translate to new teams even if they struggle with physicality or communication or ball playing or time on ball etc.

How come Torres was an average finisher at Chelsea if he was a good one before? It happens.

The big difference with LFC and the clubs challenging for the title is I can't imagine City, Manure or Chelsea trying to be smart and signing a supposed number 1 for £4.2m and then expecting him to be any good.

Big clubs buy the best they can afford... and pay whatever it takes to get them because the rewards are ten-fold.

When Arsenal signed a 33 year old Cech for £10m that was considered a bargain because keepers can play into their late 30s without dropping in quality. How many points a season is he worth.

LFC should have bought Begovic or Hart (cue the trolls who just have to criticise)... two players that have proved their worth for years and would have been better than Mignolet (any unbiased supporter would agree). Sadly LFC tried to be smart and ended up with Karius. Pre-season should have been enough to flag up how bad he was. In 3 or 4 years, Karius might be brilliant. Can LFC wait that long?

When we signed Loris Karius he had been voted the 2nd best keeper in the Bundesliga by their FA at the end of the season.

And for a league which boasts a plethora of good goalkeepers, you cannot really have a go at people who thought it was a coup by the club to land him for just £4.7m. Its not worked out for the young German but you cannot say he was a poor signing at the time.

When we signed Loris Karius he had been voted the 2nd best keeper in the Bundesliga by their FA at the end of the season.

And for a league which boasts a plethora of good goalkeepers, you cannot really have a go at people who thought it was a coup by the club to land him for just £4.7m. Its not worked out for the young German but you cannot say he was a poor signing at the time.

I dunno... perhaps he had one solid season in Germany playing for a side that (as far as I know) doesnít really compete much. At his age to bring him in isnít an issue so long as he was seen as one for the future. We should have signed Hart or Begovic to replace Mignolet in the short term and bring him in slowly... in a year or two. All weíve done is throw him in when Mignolet was playing well. Karius was a bag of nerves and has never recovered.

Remember when Brad Friedel looked like a complete joker. He never recovered for us, then went on to prove himself an asset everywhere else. Could be a similar story

What are you trying to imply? 'I told you so'? because that would be ludicrous. If anybody watched him for Mainz and DIDN'T want to sign him in 16/17 then that would've been really weird. He was fantastic in 15/16, if you watched him in that season you'd have wanted to sign him for £5m too.

Were you delighted when we sold Torres for £50m? Of course you weren't. Sometimes transfers just completely fail and we don't see it coming.

As for OP, how ridiculous. Basically admitting to judging a player off one Youtube video.

'I can't believe professional footballers in the Bundesliga voted him the 2nd best goalkeeper in the league, when I've just watched a Youtube video and seen nothing spectacular!'

Aside from Timo Horn, Karius was the best goalkeeper we could've signed at the time. Unfortunately like I said, sometimes transfers simply flop, and I hope for the club's sake that Karius' Liverpool career is over. He should go back to Germany to find his feet again

Completely missed the point of the OP didn't you.

The point is simple. I just wanted to see some great reflex saves from karius from whatever time he has played.

Seems like there are not many examples at all. If you proclaim to have seen him before then can you provide such examples for the forums benefit?

Also on the Torres question, finishing chances is very different than reflexes. I have never seen a goalkeeper having good reflexes in one league and bad in other.

When we signed Loris Karius he had been voted the 2nd best keeper in the Bundesliga by their FA at the end of the season.

And for a league which boasts a plethora of good goalkeepers, you cannot really have a go at people who thought it was a coup by the club to land him for just £4.7m. Its not worked out for the young German but you cannot say he was a poor signing at the time.

Where are all the buy Karius forum people now that pretend they are the best scouts cause they watch world football?

I wanted Karius and I still believe he will go on to be a top keeper. I simply refuse to believe he has regressed so badly just by moving clubs. I think if we had kept Karius in goal last year he'd be a far better player now.

I wanted Karius and I still believe he will go on to be a top keeper. I simply refuse to believe he has regressed so badly just by moving clubs. I think if we had kept Karius in goal last year he'd be a far better player now.

I'm far from a big Simon Mignolet fan but it can't be denied that he was good in the second half of last season. Games against Stoke and West Brom come to mind where he saved us.

Neither he or Karius is good enough.

So we must hope that Ward is or get spending.

Ward was one goalkeeper coming through the youth set up that I never rated, but I have to say from what I've seen in the couple of games he had this season he looks bigger and more commanding and has clearly benefited from his two years away.
Strange that JK thought we needed three keepers. I'd like to see him get a loan more after Christmas as he could be a number 1 choice if he gets the game time.

On a slight tangent you have to admire JK's stubbornness with putting Karius in for the CL games. He is leaving himself and the team open to criticism if results don't go our way but clearly has confidence in Karius to come through.

I don't know what abuses flew in this thread but thanks for the clip
Finally some good saves which were a bit hard to come by. Even though most of them are vanilla but some exhibited reflexes well.

All in all I don't see anything special in terms of shot saving but if he does have other assets as well so it is a tough one. Objectively he has done nothing yet but overall can be solid for us based on overall attributes.

DDG didnít concede nearly every shot he faced and make their entire fan base **** themselves.

Additionally he was something like 20 years old when he was making those mistakes. By 23/24 he was established as one of the best keepers in Europe. Karius at 23/24 was kicking the ball out from a goal kick to a corner... an corner lol.

In all honesty heís probably closer to 3rd choice than 1st at the moment. Any free-kick is like a penalty. I give up with that lad.

You can't and shouldn't judge him yet when you've seen so little of him. Not comparing the two but David De Gea looked dire early on in his career too and look at him now.

New players can struggle in new surroundings, but they usually struggle in attributes which are changed.

Any keeper coming from spain will face physical challenges which he has not seen before and will struggle. But shot stopping is not something that usually suffers that much.

say for example , suppose we bought salah for his pace and directnesss and in his first few months he cant outpace average defenders. That will not mean he is getting used to the league but that he is not fast enough. Now if sala cannot finish all his chances , then thats something we can improve, or he is not gelling well with this team mates, then that will also improve.
But if he cannot outpace now, he will never outpace later.

Same way if Karius does not have great reflexes, he will never have great reflexes later. De gea was a top shot stopper and mover from day one but average/poor in aerial tussles and command of his area. Those are obvious areas which are fully understandable.

But lets see if karius can improve his shot stopping with better positioning as i dont see someone improving their reflexes now. Also some good saves will bring the confidence up.

Additionally he was something like 20 years old when he was making those mistakes. By 23/24 he was established as one of the best keepers in Europe. Karius at 23/24 was kicking the ball out from a goal kick to a corner... an corner lol.

In all honesty heís probably closer to 3rd choice than 1st at the moment. Any free-kick is like a penalty. I give up with that lad.

If you canít save a half decent free kick thatís centre of goal, youíre just not good. No comparison to DDG whatsoever.