"And there are, certainly, among the People of the Book (Jews and Christians), those who believe in Allah, and that which has been revealed to you and in that which has been revealed to them, humbling themselves before Allah: They will not sell the Revelations of Allah for a miserable gain! For them is a reward with their Lord, and Allah is swift in account." {Holy Quran 3:199}

@MonicaCellio I was banned for 7 days for this message??

@DhoweedYaAgov you are accusing us of playing semantic games , then let me tell you that you are correct. What i wanted to convey that semantics game can be played by anyone . Jews are the first people to play the semantic game by using the word "jew" for past prophets and even tampered the meaning of torah . to include the word "Jewish"

e.g: Mi.yodeya motto is "And speak of them" (Deut. 6:7) Speak of Jewish life and learning with the people of mi.yodeya.com" but when you goto see the verse Deut 6:7 you dont find anything close to "jewish" why add sectarian names to interpret things to your fancy?? this is what we called as suppressing the truth

@Ali You were chat banned for repeatedly posting content that you had been asked not to post in a certain room. Deliberatly reposting propoganda material after you had been specifically asked not to is a breach of chat etiquate. If you do it again you will be suspended for longer. Fair warning.

I'll let the I.SE mods decide about content allowed in this room, but rules about speaking respectfully about others (even when you disagree with them) are enforced across the entire SE network. Bashing on another religion, even in your own religion's room is not what this place is for.

@ali we never claimed ourselves as Jews. We were first called banei noahH line everyone else then we were called ivrim then banei Yisroel then yahudim and yashurun. We are still called all of these because each name means something.

It is obvious the torah is talking about banei Yisroel because that is whom Allah gave the Torah to.

We all call ourselves Jews to follow common speech now in order to differentiate between other religions. When the Torah was given, there were no other monotheistic religions. It was already known that if you said banei Yisroel you mean a monotheist therefore when new monotheistic religions were invented, people had to distinguish between judaism and Christianity. Because Christianity was started by Jews too. So to say you are banei Yisroel is not

a description of your religion anymore since you can be a jew or a Christian

@Ali "Go, and proclaim these words toward the north, and say: return, thou backsliding Israel, saith the LORD; I will not frown upon you; for I am merciful, saith the LORD, I will not bear grudge for ever."

@Ali, please do not ping me in other sites' rooms. If you want to have a respectful discussion with the Mi Yodeya community, you know where to find us. If you want to continue your campaign to promote Islam and criticize Jews based on your faulty readings of our texts (and apparently even a misreading of the name of our chat room), I'm not interested.

@Ali, you were banned for a day for inappropriate posts after multiple warnings. You didn't learn from that and were banned for a week. If you don't learn from that, the next ban will be longer. The problems have been explained to you repeatedly, and I see no need to further repeat discussions that we have already had. (Also, as a point of order, while I support the week-long ban I am not the one who did it.)

i have asked 65+ questions on J.SE was actively involved with them but before coming to J.SE i did not know much about Judaism in spite having a lot of curiosity to know more, and now i practically realized why the quran says what it says at an experiential level

In the name of God, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful. All praise and thanks is for to God, [The] Creator, Owner, Sustainer of the Worlds. The Entirely Merciful, The Especially Merciful. Owner of the Day of Recompense. You alone do we worship and You alone we seek for help. Guide us to the Straight Path. The path of those whom Your blessings are upon, not of those who You have cursed nor of those who have gone astray.

"Behold! Allah took the covenant of the prophets, saying: "I give you a Book and Wisdom; then comes to you a messenger, confirming what is with you; do ye believe in him and render him help." Allah said: "Do ye agree, and take this my Covenant as binding on you?" They said: "We agree." He said: "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses." Holy Koran 3:81

@ManishEarth manish hinduism is not a religion as said by many scholars like swami vivekananad, Jawaharlal Nehru etc

Hinduism is the predominant religion of the Indian subcontinent. Hinduism includes Shaivism, Vaishnavism and Śrauta among numerous other traditions. Among other practices and philosophies, Hinduism includes a wide spectrum of laws and prescriptions of "daily morality" based on karma, dharma, and societal norms. Hinduism is a conglomeration of distinct intellectual or philosophical points of view, rather than a rigid common set of beliefs.
Hinduism is formed of diverse traditions and has no single founder.
Among its direct roots is the historical Vedic religion of Iron Age India and, as...

Just as a child’s body submits to the physical laws which Allah has put in nature, its soul also submits naturally to the fact that Allah is its Lord and Creator. But its parents try to make it follow their own way and the child is not strong enough in the early stages of its life to resist or oppose its parents. The religion which the child follows at this stage is one of custom and upbringing and Allah does not hold it to account for this religion.

When your Lord drew forth from the loins of the children of Aadam their descendants and made them testify concerning themselves. Saying: Am I not your Lord? They said: “Yes, we testify to it.” (This) in case you say on the Day of Judgement, “We were unaware of this.” Or in case you say: It was our ancestors who made partners (with Allah) and we are only their descendants…[Surah Al-A’raaf 7:172-173]

Allah then explained why He had all of mankind bear witness that He was their Creator and the only true God worthy of worship. He said: That was in case you (mankind) should say on the Day of Resurrection, “Surely we were unaware of all this. We had no idea that You were our God.” [Silsilah al ahadeeth

Allah gave banei Yisroel the Torah and we follow it and we are muslims to the fullest extent. What the followers of Mohammed and the Quran say is that the "muslims" Are the followers if Mohammed and the Quran

Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said: "Every child is born on the "fitrah" (natural inclination) of "Islam" (surrender, submission and peace to the Creator on His Terms). And it is their parents who raise them up to be Jews, Christians or fire worshippers."

"Ali has invited you to join Islam. See your invitations." As I've noted, you should not use Stack Exchange as a platform for proselytizing.... Oh, wait a second. That means Islam the chat room, not Islam the religion. Never mind. Anyway, stop issuing me invitations here, too, please, @Ali. You can always ping me in V'dibarta Bam if you want me.

"And there are, certainly, among the People of the Book (Jews and Christians), those who believe in Allah, and that which has been revealed to you and in that which has been revealed to them, humbling themselves before Allah: They will not sell the Revelations of Allah for a miserable gain! For them is a reward with their Lord, and Allah is swift in account." {Holy Quran 3:199}

i told you already Allah gave banei Yisroel the Torah and we follow it and we are muslims to the fullest extent. What followes of mohammed and the quran say is that the "new" muslims are the followers of mohammed and the quran That is where disagree. That is why I say I am Muslim

@Ali Talmud (Niddah 30b), every Jewish baby is taught all of Torah in its mother's womb just prior to birth, after which it is sworn to fulfill all the misSwoth and his or her own personal potential. Just before birth, the angel "touches" the child below the nose (causing that unusual single channel between the nose and upper lip),

causing forgetfulness. Post-birth life is for recalling that knowledge in the pursuit of truth. Therefore, learning Torah is more a process of recollection than it is of learning "new" ideas. That is why a person, upon understanding a concept, feels a sense of familiarity with the idea as if he once knew it but forgot it, and will often say, "Ahaaaah. I get it."

@AlUmmatمجاهد there's also the possibility that the prophet said the same basic idea in different words at different times, and we just think that they're the same transmission. it's open to interpretation.

@goldPseudo yes, but the situations are also known behind the Hadith, for example one man came to the Prophet and ask can I kiss my wife while I am fasting, He said yes, another man came and asked and He said no, the man whom He said yes to was old, the other was young,

derivative works and fiqh books like fiqh us sunnah can be analogous to talmud

The Quran doesn’t replace the Torah

The Quran teaches that the word of God can never be altered, verifying the Jewish belief that the laws of the Torah stand for all time.

Quran 6:115 And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing

The Quran never presented itself as a replacement to the Torah as the Jewish people were commanded to keep its laws forever. The Quran was sent as a guidance for mankind to live by and it was delivered to people capable of spreading the deen of Allah to the four corners of the e…

Some Jews misinterpret the Torah

There are several instances of the Quran accusing some Jews of misinterpreting the Torah. Today this has lead many Muslims to mistakenly believe that the text of the Torah is corrupt – despite the Quran never making such a claim.

Quran 4:46 Among the Jews are those who misinterpret [tahrif] words from their [proper] usages and say, “We hear and disobey” and “Hear but be not heard” and “Ra’ina,” twisting their tongues and defaming the religion.

Ali seems to look up debating points and then use them without really understanding them himself. (He doesn't actually debate with people: debate requires listening, and then responding to what people actually say, not to what you imagine they're going to say. As I said before, he uses people as mannequins he can throw half-understood arguments at.) Meanwhile, DhoweedYaAgov was using deliberately obscure terminology, apparently for the fun of it.

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If you want to attempt to decipher what was actually going on, feel free. I didn't bother.