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Thanks , guy's but I want to hear from guy's that know of or have used the Fowler Mainliner stuff. I talked to a fella in Arkansas who has the arc force and he said it completely changed the way his machine welded (for the better) Jef

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It seems to me that I would be remiss if I didn't point out that Miller has already provided a product with what you are after. The PIPEPRO 304. I've been using one for 10 years now. Now why is it that all the Lincoln fans are trying to get their machines to be adjustable like the Miller machine? There is nothing wrong with a Lincoln machine, I like them myself. The Fowler Mainliner is probably a nice machine, haven't used one myself, but you have to wonder about the reason he has modified the Lincoln to weld like the Miller. (hint: It is to keep the Lincoln fans happy).

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I know of guys that have to change gears in the process of going thru bead/hp/fill/cap with the 7 range selector machines.
That would be a real pain in a tie in situation me thinks. Or in a pipe rack or anywhere not close.

JTMcC

Some days you eat the bear. And some days the bear eats you.

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It seems to me that I would be remiss if I didn't point out that Miller has already provided a product with what you are after. The PIPEPRO 304. I've been using one for 10 years now. Now why is it that all the Lincoln fans are trying to get their machines to be adjustable like the Miller machine? There is nothing wrong with a Lincoln machine, I like them myself. The Fowler Mainliner is probably a nice machine, haven't used one myself, but you have to wonder about the reason he has modified the Lincoln to weld like the Miller. (hint: It is to keep the Lincoln fans happy).

I would like to point out that all the lincoln machines that have chopper, have an adjustable arcforce to. The lincoln vantages have been around for about ten years to. And the fowler mainliner is based on an old sa-200. What did miller have in 1946-2000 that could even compare to an sa-200? NOTHING! So if your going to compare, atleast compare apples to apples.

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I would like to point out that all the lincoln machines that have chopper, have an adjustable arcforce to. The lincoln vantages have been around for about ten years to. And the fowler mainliner is based on an old sa-200. What did miller have in 1946-2000 that could even compare to an sa-200? NOTHING! So if your going to compare, atleast compare apples to apples.

I ran an SA 200 for about 20 years. I'm old school, but I am still able to keep up with the current technology without blind worship of the old ways.

(blue vs red is a never ending battle. I expect it in the field, but not on a MILLER based forum)

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I know of guys that have to change gears in the process of going thru bead/hp/fill/cap with the 7 range selector machines.
That would be a real pain in a tie in situation me thinks. Or in a pipe rack or anywhere not close.

JTMcC

I had a welding partner in a fab yard with a Vantage machine. We would set up in the morning, and we used both machines interchangeably. It didn't really matter which machine or what size pipe, as both of our remotes could handle the difference without going back to the rig.

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I had a welding partner in a fab yard with a Vantage machine. We would set up in the morning, and we used both machines interchangeably. It didn't really matter which machine or what size pipe, as both of our remotes could handle the difference without going back to the rig.

I'm specifically replying to the question about the 7 range selector machines that Wicked one is asking about.
I won't go into Vantages vs. 200's vs. PipePros. They all work for some people.

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I ran an SA 200 for about 20 years. I'm old school, but I am still able to keep up with the current technology without blind worship of the old ways.

(blue vs red is a never ending battle. I expect it in the field, but not on a MILLER based forum)

I dont care if your old school or not. In your post you made it sound like miller sells the only product that has arc control. "It seems to me that I would be remiss if I didn't point out that Miller has already provided a product with what you are after. The PIPEPRO 304". I said that the lincoln vantage has an arcforce just like a pipepro does. The pipepro is twice the machine a sa200 is, an also about 10 grand more too. But the pipepro and vantage are very close in comparison.

( theres no never ending battle here, because I really dont care if one guy runs a miller and the other a lincoln. Whatever works for you.)

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Now why is it that all the Lincoln fans are trying to get their machines to be adjustable like the Miller machine?

you have to wonder about the reason he has modified the Lincoln to weld like the Miller. (hint: It is to keep the Lincoln fans happy).

Just to add a bit of historical perspective, Mr. Fowler was putting 7 range selectors on old 200's before the PipePro was even a gleam in an engineers eye. And way before the Vantages or 200D/300D arrived on the scene of the crime.

So really at that point in time he was only trying to make some money giving the mainline welder more adjustability on the old machines (and it's really debatable that it's needed), the PipePro didn't even exist those days so it can't really be called an attempt at imitating a Miller.

JTMcC.

Some days you eat the bear. And some days the bear eats you.

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It seems to me that I would be remiss if I didn't point out that Miller has already provided a product with what you are after. The PIPEPRO 304. I've been using one for 10 years now. Now why is it that all the Lincoln fans are trying to get their machines to be adjustable like the Miller machine? There is nothing wrong with a Lincoln machine, I like them myself. The Fowler Mainliner is probably a nice machine, haven't used one myself, but you have to wonder about the reason he has modified the Lincoln to weld like the Miller. (hint: It is to keep the Lincoln fans happy).

I asked a simple question , not to start a fight. I had a Pipepro 304 and it was a piece of junk! A lemon so to speak. I bought a Pipeliner 200d 10 times the machine MY Pipepro was. That said the Pipeliner 200d that I own doesn't work as well as I would like it to. I am looking to enhance it's weldability. Even though my pipeliner 200d doesn't work as well as I want it to it does and will burn rod faster than a Pipepro 304. I just want to know if anyone has tried the Fowler parts I don't want a debate what color is better if that's what you want to do start your own post.