I understand what Pedro1 is saying, and I understand what BRAVO SIERRA is saying, and IMO there is a lot of truth to both.

However I believe the best situation would be to have good politicians in power, the ones with the good voting records...we are not there yet.

But if our collective morals remain imbicellic (as they are now, most don't even consider our mechanized slaughter of thousands of our innocent brothers), and our apathy maintains our blantant ignorance such that we continue to elect only the most corrupt, most corporately monied rulers with the biggest TV-ad budgets, then gridlock becomes the next best thing because it incapacitates Congress and that is the best state for a money-corrupted Congress... incapacitated so as to pass the fewest bad laws...I'll roll with you on that one BRAVO SIERRA, if that's what you're thinking.

I think this has elements that go along with BOTH Pedro1 and BRAVO SIERRA's ideas, as Pedro1 knows the upper monied in BOTH partys are bad, and BRAVO SIERRA's gridlock theory incapacitates them.

The worse condition is to have the same party in control of both Congress and the administration because that is an expressway for the most vile shit to get passed. If it's all Dem, or all R, it's all bad.

But still, I don't believe a corrupt Congress that requires incapacitiation is what our founding fathers had in mind. I would rather lift the apathy and instead put some brains behind our votes and put only good people in power, they have a lot of work to do to reverse all this damage that these corporate blowboys have been doing, so I wouldn't want them incapacitated either.

I have not yet given up on getting good politicians elected, gridlock would be bad with good politicians in office...so I see the gridlock solution, but I'll try for the better way of electing good politicians....even if we're not enough interested in saving our own asses, we should still endevor to stand up for our innocent brothers whom we're slaughtering enmasse abroad...even the CIA who is running these attacks are starting to speak out that they not only are harsh on innocents, but they are enraging common Moslems into unity against the US:

"Some of the CIA operators are concerned that, because of its blowback effect, it is doing more harm than good," said Jeffrey Addicott, former legal adviser to U.S. Special Forces and director of the Centre for Terrorism Law...

...Because the drone strikes kill innocent civilians and bystanders along with leaders from far away, they "infuriate the Muslim male", said Addicott, thus making them more willing to join the movement. The men in Pakistan's tribal region "view Americans as cowards and weasels", he added."

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A final comment, (not in response to either Bravo or Pedro), is morally (the trump card), Obama is already a dismal failure. To all but the most morally imbicillic, the senseless mass murder of thousands of innocents (which btw fuels insurgency and recruitment), is akin to Osama's, Bush's, Saddam's or any other run of the mill tyrrants war crimes against humanity. Maybe the moral imbecile can vote for, then look the other way to the senseless killing of thousands of our innocent brothers that's done in his name, but anyone who has advanced at least to the level of moral adolescence cannot.

Quite frankly it makes me puke to see all the ignorance giving Obama a free pass on all his escallated killing. Also, Dems used to bitch loudly when Bush did it, but when Obama greatly escallated it all the Dems fell silent and now look the other way to their brother's being slaughtered in their mud huts by the super advanced, even robotic killing machine.

Not only is our mass killing of innocents OK with these moral imbiciles, but they are also too stupid to know they're getting fucked right down the line on the banks, on the jobs, on the housing, on the medical and pensions, and the rest. Too fucking stupid to see the multiple ice picks sticking out of their own foreheads...they line up at the door for more....and the elite play them like a harp.

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With good politicians they would work together even with a split congress, ahhhh..... but this is the weak part of our system, so we live with it and as a result gridlock is the best, as far as smart votes..... i believe voters should be tested for competency, but who would wright the test? I also think folks should have to pass a competency test to have children, now I hope to hear that the AZ. gov. talked sense into Obama on the new law, providing he read it!!!!!

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I'm not going to live with the current "keep doing what we've done before," been there, done that. Besides, we have already progressed to deeply into corruption and are causing way too much heartache at home and abroad....this is not going to work this way. It's also failing to stick up for our brothers abroad who the rulers we elected are bombing. I don't care what the odds are, or how resistant people are to change, I'm going to try to change who my fellow voters are voting for. Our foreign fellow humans are depending on us to be non-accepting and to vote these rulers out...we'd want them to do the same if the tables were turned, we'd want more than a stalemate that guarantees continued bombing, we'd want them to vote in people who wouldn't bomb us, (the Golden Rule). To be unaccepting of the carnage is not only the right thing to do, but it's the only action that doesn't either help enable, or advance US foreign war policy, or corrupt citizen policys at home...time to stop going along with it. Nope, not gonna just live with it.

With good politicians they would work together even with a split congress, ahhhh..... but this is the weak part of our system, so we live with it and as a result gridlock is the best, as far as smart votes..... i believe voters should be tested for competency, but who would wright the test? I also think folks should have to pass a competency test to have children, now I hope to hear that the AZ. gov. talked sense into Obama on the new law, providing he read it!!!!!

You are sounding more and more like some kind of 1938 Brown Shirt with all this competency crap...the Constitution says "All people are created equal", it took nearly 200 years to get that squared away (Minority and women’s rights) and now you want to take a huge leap backwards and quantify who should be allowed rights. This is what’s wrong with those who support these type of police intrusions into our rights (Tea Baggers), they think as long as it isn't going to affect me it's ok. Well my friend one day, after you all open this door, they will come for you and these so called incompetent will not be there to help you.

Quick, before all's going to smithereens (burlesques in italics) Selfspeakingly could one wright a plan for quite a few basic and still important, unknown necessities, ow the very strenuousness. And it's seldom enough that one can agree to somnambulistic posters, what btw is, a slap on the shoulder or friendly comment, so much encouraging. Don't know what Plook is thinking at the moment, I see some surprising value in Bravo's statement. Just this to education, Let the children play, they will find they way. This really is all. See any docu which shows what nature is teaching, namely exact tricks from the parents, lots of physical training, for coordination eg, and through gaming they find what they like best etc.

The next, the topic in view, is a tough one. Shouldn't be the chief of a people, tribe, clan, state the very best person? here we go:

1. Nature is the platform. So this is a must know.2. Organization skills3. Knowing, being up-to-date with, all needs and problems (with another approach to life, instinct, natural wisdom, education, later enough self-efficacy for finding, living one's way.., there wouldn't be so much)

..you know wha`? where's the happy time?

..ah, more ponderings, such an important geezer should earn the only million. No panic, socialism better gets discussed when the world is more advanced. Then one should get payment for the amount of sweat and energy spent on spiritual work, werken in Dutch, wirken in German, meaning to bring into effect. What do you think? One point appears to be clear as fog on a water-world, Baddy gets my encouragement. We have waited for far too long, other means and mechanisms acutely useful. There is in effect nothing worth ..write to the ISS. ...is not merely I searching for solutions, heh?

Ok all you guys go to your local detox facility, then your county jail , the health and human services dept. and take a good look at people. Then go check your local government budget, like where your money goes? Do you have to pass a test to get a drivers license? Yea making a LIFE ....do that willy nilly, if it dont work get an abortion, and yes that bombing; good thing that don't happen to the US, oh yea the towers were a set up, again drop the drama and look in your own back yard. Funny how so many are trying to get into the USA.

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Deary me, Bravo Sierra -did you notice that Pedro, Baddy and Punky were actually agreeing with what you said (at least in part)? Do you constantly demand complete agreement with all your ideas?Never mind, I'd like to make a suggestion myself (even though I'm an ignorant European who obviously couldn't give a flying fuck about America).How come the US appears to be fairly interested in immigration from Europe? If you are German or British the green card lottery is undersubscribed and therefore your entrance to the US is easy. And if you're Mexican.....Now, I'm not saying that e.g. Germany is any different. A couple of years ago they were trying to encourage immigration from India (computer experts, don't you know), whilst simultaneously attempting to restrict Polish immigration (even though they're in the EU, they steal cars, don't you know).Thus, it seems to me, that a kind of racial profiling is already in force in most parts of the First World...The question would be a) if this is a legitimate process (morally and legally)? b) if this is an effective process (does it work for the immigrants, does it work for the US)?

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Deary me, Bravo Sierra -did you notice that Pedro, Baddy and Punky were actually agreeing with what you said (at least in part)? Do you constantly demand complete agreement with all your ideas?Never mind, I'd like to make a suggestion myself (even though I'm an ignorant European who obviously couldn't give a flying fuck about America).How come the US appears to be fairly interested in immigration from Europe? If you are German or British the green card lottery is undersubscribed and therefore your entrance to the US is easy. And if you're Mexican.....Now, I'm not saying that e.g. Germany is any different. A couple of years ago they were trying to encourage immigration from India (computer experts, don't you know), whilst simultaneously attempting to restrict Polish immigration (even though they're in the EU, they steal cars, don't you know).Thus, it seems to me, that a kind of racial profiling is already in force in most parts of the First World...The question would be a) if this is a legitimate process (morally and legally)? b) if this is an effective process (does it work for the immigrants, does it work for the US)?

Bingo...the immigration is irrelevant...ding, ding, ding...the law is the key...these types of laws are racial in nature it is undeniable and they are intended to open the door to government officials (police, agents...etc..) to a reasonable ability to detain and question people. Once in place it is not a far leap to take it where ever they want. Again a great example of this is DUI check points, totally unconstitutional, but you anger the natives with some drunk driver stories and presto-chango…no one gives a shit about the Constitution. They caught so many other people on other stuff trolling this net that they now call them DUI/Driver License check points and if all else fails they just say someone is “acting” suspicious and they will have the seats out of the car.

The illegals are here because somebody is hiring them. As for legal immigration to this country, it boils down to this...how much money you got? Thusly, hotels, gas stations, convenience stores...pretty much owned by legal immigrants. People bitch about it, but how did they get here? They got money, and they promised to "invest" it.

The poor Mexicans that cross the border to work for rich Americans are only trying to better their lives. It's no surprise that the plutocracy in America would pass a law that would center attention on the illegals instead of the richfucks that hire them.

As for legal immigration to this country, it boils down to this...how much money you got? .

Despite the risk of "going on", I think you're absolutely right here. The question being is this a legitimate state of affairs? Obviously, no country can or does just open the gates and let every one in, but should money be the main criterion?In other spheres many countries with representative democracies are prepared to stress that "men" are equal before the law. With foreigners, rich foreigners are more equal than poor foreigners.As to "investment", how do we know that they're not just going to take the money and run?

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Stumbling along this here thread I struck again upon the explanation of why communism had only a ghost chance with profane co-dwellers. .. someone goes to the supermarkets and is not already more than fed-up?

Couldn't understand why quite a many people in Russia still stating that Stalin was a great politician (he brought the next step in developments to a cliff) ..now I know what they could possibly mean (and sure enough, on a totally different plane man has jumped; ..with seeing eyesight)

Me's slendering on a shocking stroll merely to speak a special word with the market pixies there. Have you noticed what a!! others, customers in view, behave in all their ways that is beyond any description. I have been watching them, made me spew and I am not even thinking of the storey with the Troll of Ey. ..could have killed him. Should probably, because he is capable of and doing worst things. Don't worry, me precious pebbles are getting in perfect shape since the last few days. ..if I only had a friend to talk with, about meta is beta than wholeness. Next mighty mouse might be the listener to the more thrilling narrations. ... not that a mexican Gonzales climbs the rope, comes over the big pond and takes shop, eh talks about ships. Cheech, Chong and Shangi-Lala. A-wHo, do-ee dân. How do ya? ..ask a Dutch on the hi-fly.... damn, I forgot that one. Maybe the clouds will make an appearance and speak. - thunder r lling.

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No I don't want everybody to agree with me, this is a forum and when I have a different opinion I through it out.... next Obama's aunt is in the USA illegally lets see how that pans out, check it out, as for Mexicans not getting the same shot as Europeans that is preposterous, for crap sake the Arabs that came illegally then overstayed their visa's, then took jet pilot lessons and hijacked jets and flew into the towers shows you can get in and be a killer. on the other hand many Mexicans are sending pregnant woman in, have the kid and a stupid law makes the kid a citizen, and in California that kid can have free medical and free college, check it out , i can not, and my ancestors from Scotland who came here in 1755 and fought in the revolution do not give me a free any thing but freedom. Which is the best. As far as DUI checks, I hate them...... but they keep a lot of folks from driving drunk, simple solution don't drink and drive, yea it gives them a chance to search the car, and find maybe some smoke, those laws have to change. As for the idiot from Germany ,I can only guess you are not a German native or you would be permanently in great thanks to have had the USA bail you outta the Hitler thing.

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The only way I can see is make all 6.8 Bi!!ions (wasn't aware of this unsolvable PROBLEM-beyond any mathematician's for quite a while) ..ledz say foolks for the sick of it, listen, understand and act according to a reserve plan. Phat chance!!!

Without minimum cooperation, to start with in this, our times, it's going to get even ..what?

One needs the ideas for the right kind of spirit, immediately. We have lost all traits though long ago. Now it doesn't matter anymore. Freedom of this kind of behaving etc is another approach. Should have been so much grander, funnier, sometimes magical, on a happier scale. We are not completely forlorn, mind, am only not sure if this gives me comfort, knowing humins, ex-Heir-of-Creation. Later more, if you like, that is.

Drama is when extra-terrifics communicate home ...what'd the Capm and the Plookster add, say? ..get a spell-checker or summin' ... the Watt4 Sillyble Sayings, pronounce motley and crazy becomes the hazy way. - Strider, "The puff is the means, Confucius, methinks... meandering phrough ...you." -

Here in Ohio , the Supreme Court just ruled that police officers can ticket you for speeding WITHOUT the use of radar !!

This begs multiple questions such as , How was the officer trained ? , Was the officer having a ' bad ' day ? , What did the officer use as a comparison of speeding ? , ie. another car , and many more questions.

This is revenue enhancement to the fullest , without reguard to accountability ,and you're worried about profiling ??

As for the idiot from Germany ,I can only guess you are not a German native or you would be permanently in great thanks to have had the USA bail you outta the Hitler thing.

I.e. you were responsible for the US intervention in WWII and therefore I should agree with you?Actually I'm not German, I'm an immigrant (if you are indeed referring to me, which was rather difficult to make out from your post). Even I was I German I wouldn't see the relevance of your comment.In addition, don't you rather prove my point by referring to the 9/11 bombers? Wasn't the reason nobody paid much attention to their immigration status the fact that they had enough money?If you read back, you may also notice that I was not only referring to the US but the rest of the first world too. My complaint about your desire for complete agreement was based on the fact that you deem it necessary to refer to anybody who mildly disagrees with you as "drama queen", "too dramatic" in need of "detox" or an "idiot". However, I post on this forum because I'm actually interested in what other people might say about a topic(who knows - it might affect my opinion) so by all means carry on...

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