201. It came from the Trust.
(Mr Moss) It came from the Trust. It was always part
of the negotiating agenda. We have been accused of saying a lot
of nasty things about the Trust but let me put on record the fact
that we have negotiated with the Trust some first rate protection
for our members, a two year guarantee of no redundancy written
into the contract; a five year guarantee of no reduction in conditions
written into the contract. The PFC, Patient Focused Care was a
key part of those negotiations and it meant that far fewer of
our members were transferred, so there was a congruity between
the Trust's agenda and our own agenda, that has not been our problem
with the Trust.

Andy Burnham

202. Have you found there to be a problem with
union recognition amongst transferred staff, not just of this
Trust but in the region generally?
(Mr Moss) Not within this Trust because it was TUPE-ed
condition where we negotiated a first rate recognition deal.

203. Was it always a TUPE-ed recognition.
(Mr Weeks) The NHS executive guidance does go slightly
beyond what TUPE-ed required. We think that is very positive and
it has enabled the industrial relations consequences of transfer
to be handled in a much more positive way than might otherwise
have been the case and we do welcome that.