I find that all the RC's I have ever met to date (now including you) are very, very liberal about the faith in Christ and fasting is non-existent.

I find it unfortunate that so many RC's believe in all kinds of things. Things which are not even related to the teachings of the RCC. Observing this I can understand why the Orthodox fathers stress care in what the faithful read and experience.

I hope one day you will understand that it is not good to read, listen to, or watch anything you want if you are trying to be committed to a faithful life in Christ. As one Holy Father noted 'some things are not worth knowing.....avoid glib and profane curiosity'.

I find that all the RC's I have ever met to date (now including you) are very, very liberal about the faith in Christ and fasting is non-existent.

I find it unfortunate that so many RC's believe in all kinds of things. Things which are not even related to the teachings of the RCC. Observing this I can understand why the Orthodox fathers stress care in what the faithful read and experience.

I hope one day you will understand that it is not good to read, listen to, or watch anything you want if you are trying to be committed to a faithful life in Christ. As one Holy Father noted 'some things are not worth knowing.....avoid glib and profane curiosity'.

As I know you have heard 'curiosity killed the cat'.

Enjoy your reading.

Well that all sound very negative, judgmental, and closed minded, if you don't mind me saying so.However I will say "if you keep your mind too open your brain is in danger of falling out!"

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First my mind is "closed" to Christ.The teachings of Christ are pure truth to me. I will not (intentionally) read, listen, or watch anything I believe is designed to challenge the truth of God and His Holy Church such as Di Vinci Code and other types of pseudo spiritual an new age type propaganda.

Second I was a rather harsh but only because I am so disappointed when I experience the behavior I described from people. I was speaking out of frustration...my apologies. I can not understand why Christian people can not See that the faith in Christ is under attack. The biggest enemy is complacency, boredom then curiosity...soon Christ was the only truth then out of nowhere...Buddha is also truth. Remember Our God says he is a jealous God. His truth is the final truth with His true believers.

I thus agree that its too much openness of mind that has caused people to loose much.

Yeah, I can see it now... The Life and Times of Kant! He lived his life in the clouds of a towering intellect, until one day it all came crashing down around him in skepticism. But then--aha!--he found the path to enlightenment, and his skepticism vanished before a philosophical argumentation in favor of theism that was to influence the western world forevermore. Starring Michael Richards as Immanuel Kant.

I have just begun "Three Views on Eastern Orthodoxy and Evangelicalism" published by Zondervan. It is written in a point-counterpoint format by both Orthodox and Evangelicals trying to explore how close/ different the two essentially are. Very interesting read as both sides are respectful to each other without watering down their own convictions.

did not know that the dalai lama was any interest to an Orthodox Christian; since of Orthodox Christians are followers of Christ.

I am not going to start a debate but I have found over the years that HH the Dalai Lama has some very wise observations on life to share. So does Thich Nhat Hanh. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š If you want specifics, I can recommend any book that you may find in the library. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š

Oh, and I believer that His Holiness is the man's title, so it is proper to use it. Or do yuou not call the Pope "Pope so and so the X?"

I am not going to start a debate but I have found over the years that HH the Dalai Lama has some very wise observations on life to share. So does Thich Nhat Hanh. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š If you want specifics, I can recommend any book that you may find in the library. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š

Oh, and I believer that His Holiness is the man's title, so it is proper to use it. ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€š Or do yuou not call the Pope "Pope so and so the X?"

So what if it's his self-attributed title? What if he wanted to call himself God?

I remember on the Dr. Phil show a couple of years ago, Dr. Phil was interviewing the leader of the Railean (sp?) cult (he's the guy who believes Jesus and Muhammed etc. were aliens and that he met them on some spaceship or some crap like that). He also attributed the title "His Holiness" to himself, and demanded that Dr. Phil address him in that way. After a minor dispute Dr. Phil gave in just for the sake of allowing the discussion to continue.

Would you address that guy as His Holiness? How about Muhammed, would you grant him the title "The Prophet Muhammed"? Seriously, where do you draw the line?

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"Philosophy is the imitation by a man of what is better, according to what is possible" - St Severus

You may want to read this since you seem to be confused. You still didnt say whether you call the Pope the Pope.

His Holiness The Dalai Lama From the official site of the Government Of Tibet In Exile. Provides a biography, bibliography, list of awards won, prayers, lectures and statements.http://www.tibet.com/DL/index.html

Anyway, back to the topic, I'm reading The Sims2 OFB guide. Not exactly deep reading, but this pack has some really funky stuff!

That's really quite irrelevant. Whether he personally attributes it to himself, or whether his followers attribute it to him by virtue of his position within that cult, the fact remains that he is not worthy of such a title. Christ alone is Holy and He imparts that Holiness to His Church, hence the worthiness of Saints and Heirarchs of the Church bearing such a title.

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You still didnt say whether you call the Pope the Pope.

Well putting aside the fact that the RC Church stole the title Pope from the Alexandrians, I woul probably say "RC Pope", which is alot more objective. Tell me, would you attribute the title "His Holiness" to the Pope? Don't all the Apostolic Churches, whether they be RC, OO, or EO qualify their Patriarchs/Popes with "His Holiness" and their Bishops with "His Grace" or "His Eminence"?

I'm currently reading my two shelves of cookbooks desperately trying to find recipes for marinades for lamb on the spit, cheese and spinach pie, tsoureki, taramosalata etc etc. I have close to a 60 people arriving next weekend for "an authentic mountain Greek Pascha" (as the invitation said) and I haven't even started cleaning yet. Had all good intentions though.......

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Have you checked online? There are quite a few sites with tons of traditional Greek recipies, just sifting through the variations is the hard part! ("my yia yia used this, my auntie used that, my mother swears that you shoudld add a pinch of the other" that sort of thing, lol!) I love to read cookbooks, except it makes me hungry! Here's a link for you if you like, though I only just found it and haven't tried any yet.

Have you checked online? There are quite a few sites with tons of traditional Greek recipies, just sifting through the variations is the hard part! ("my yia yia used this, my auntie used that, my mother swears that you shoudld add a pinch of the other" that sort of thing, lol!) I love to read cookbooks, except it makes me hungry! Here's a link for you if you like, though I only just found it and haven't tried any yet.

Thanks for that! There's also a very kind experienced lamb-roasting poster who pm'ed me with a marinade suggestion. And if I tell you what it is, you'll probably work out who sent it.....hint: the marinade is beer.

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Considering the views you have been posting...I suggest not to continue trying the matter with Aurelia (I hope I spelled that right). She has a right to her own view and how she sees and respects other.

You have however defended and made an excellent and unarguable case for Christ' Church which is Holy, Universal and Orthodox.

"mr. lama" (perfect for him) has NO spiritual authority or power; he is a pagan and a heathen and thus regardless of what he has as an "official" title he is not worthy of HH particular from an Orthodox Christian. The HH would make him equal with our Church fathers...AND HE IS NOT!!!

Orthodox Christians do not use this title with anyone or for anyone unless he is an appropriately elevated "Christian" Orthodox father of the Holy Universal Church. This still includes the Roman See.

I am only repeating what you have already said (I know). I just wanted to add some emphasis.

I do not mean to offend but it is hard for people who are outside of sound Orthodox up bringing to understand certain issues. We must give people a chance to learn.

May The Lord Bless HH Pope Shenouda III, Patriarch of Alexandria and the the See or St. Mark and all the Orthodox Bishops, Priest and Deacons.

.Well, one catholic nun here in Finland once read a book by metropolitan Anthony. He discussed the book with her parish priest, who warned her: "Remember itÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â´s orthodox theology!" The sister still dares to read orthodox books. So do I - and many others, too.Back to the topic ! Now IÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â´m reading "The difference of the nature philosophy of Demoktitos and Epikuros" by Dr. Karl Marx, that was tranlated to Finnish last year about 150 years after Mr. Marx wrote it...

Just picked up An Essay Concerning Human Understanding by John Locke. It was less than $10 at Barnes and Noble... that has to be a first (for things not on the bargain shelves) Also got the third season of News Radio... not that one would read News Radio, but hey, I'm just sayin'...

I just got my copy of Thomas Cutler's The Battle of Leyte Gulf supposed to be an excellent objective history of the battle, accompanied by an in depth tactical analysis...can't wait to dig in. Though I'm only about half way through my copy of Robert Tanner's Stonewall in the Valley, which, while being THE definitive work on the '62 Shenandoah Campaign, is an amazingly engaging and entertaining read with excellent and insightful strategic, tactical, logistic, and operational analysis...highly recommended.

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"The liberties of people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them." -- Patrick Henry

I must be the only 39 year old modern Christian who hadn't read "The Screwtape Letters". My copy arrived and I couldn't put it down! Had an "Agripnia" ("All-night Vigil") of reading it last night! Excellent!

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I must be the only 39 year old modern Christian who hadn't read "The Screwtape Letters". My copy arrived and I couldn't put it down! Had an "Agripnia" ("All-night Vigil") of reading it last night! Excellent!

I'm shocked I tell you, SHOCKED!!!

I"m glad you found it and like it. Lewis has some very good and insightful things to say.

Ebor

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"I wish they would remember that the charge to Peter was "Feed my sheep", not "Try experiments on my rats", or even "Teach my performing dogs new tricks". - C. S. Lewis

Last week for class I read 2 short stories by D. H. Lawrence ("Odour of Chrysanthemums" and "Horse Dealer's Daughter") and Eliot's "Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock". This week it's one by V. S. Naipaul and 2 by Katherine Mansfield.

I also got an interesting paperback on the Australian guerilla warfare against the Japanese in WWII "Ring of Fire"

Ebor

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"I wish they would remember that the charge to Peter was "Feed my sheep", not "Try experiments on my rats", or even "Teach my performing dogs new tricks". - C. S. Lewis

Today I picked up "Debrett's New Guide to Etiquette & Modern Manners" (which, by the way, I've never opened before) to settle an argument with a friend about the etiquette of breastfeeding in public. The relevant paragraph began:"It is bad manners to expel any liquid from any orifice in public, and breast-feeding is no different."When I finally stopped laughing and wiped the tears from my eyes, I decided to start reading it from cover to cover- if for nothing else but the entertainment value!

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Today I picked up "Debrett's New Guide to Etiquette & Modern Manners" (which, by the way, I've never opened before) to settle an argument with a friend about the etiquette of breastfeeding in public. The relevant paragraph began:"It is bad manners to expel any liquid from any orifice in public, and breast-feeding is no different."When I finally stopped laughing and wiped the tears from my eyes, I decided to start reading it from cover to cover- if for nothing else but the entertainment value!

That *is* an interesting way of phrasing things....

Ebor

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"I wish they would remember that the charge to Peter was "Feed my sheep", not "Try experiments on my rats", or even "Teach my performing dogs new tricks". - C. S. Lewis

I was clearing out a box and found "Montana- The Gold Frontier" by Dan Cushman. So that's one of my reading books now, along with "Lud in the Mist" by Mirrlees, and the Waley translation of "The Tale of Genji" and biographies of George IV of England and George Burns the comedian and a Neil Gaiman book. (Can you tell I went to the library this week? )

Ebor

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"I wish they would remember that the charge to Peter was "Feed my sheep", not "Try experiments on my rats", or even "Teach my performing dogs new tricks". - C. S. Lewis

I just finished reading N.T. Wright's The New Testament and the People of God. I'm looking forward to reading Vol. 2, Jesus and the Victory of God. I'm slowly making my way through Pavel Florensky's The Pillar and Ground of the Truth. And for fun, I'm reading Donna Leon's Commissario Giudo Brunetti's detective mysteries.

I'm currently reading a book called called "Shepherd of Souls"- The Life and Teachings of Elder Celopa. Elder Celopa is said to be the master of Inner Prayer and Spiritual Father of Romania (1912-1998). This book is by Archimandrite Ioanichie Balan, awesome stuff in this book! I reccomend it to everyone.

Currently reading "Ambassador Morgenthau's Story" by Henry Morgenthau. Henry Morganthau was the US Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire from 1913-1916. His book is a harrowing first hand account of the Armenian genocide.

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Currently reading "Ambassador Morgenthau's Story" by Henry Morgenthau. Henry Morganthau was the US Ambassador to the Ottoman Empire from 1913-1916. His book is a harrowing first hand account of the Armenian genocide.

What genocide??? Turks say we Greeks and Armenians made it up...hmmm...Morgenthau doesn't sound like an Armenian name. Could it be true .

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"Religion is a neurobiological illness and Orthodoxy is its cure." - Fr. John S. Romanides