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Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor

Caveat wonders aloud to the group:

How much longer does Jay Bruce stay a Red, in AAA, with a new GM that has a past history of trading young players for established stars and a manager that has a past history (albeit showing no signs of that history at the moment) of preferring established players over young ones.

On the good side, his trades for position players (McGwire, Renteria, Rolen, Edmonds, Walker) tended to work out much better than his trades for pitching (Mulder) -- and we're actually in pretty good shape when it comes to starting pitching.

In fact, if you set the Mulder deal to the side, he didn't really lose any of his prospect for vets deals. Yes, that one hurt, but on balance, those deals made the Cardinals the force they were -- that, Dave Duncan's magic, and Albert Pujols falling from the sky.

Games are won on run differential -- scoring more than your opponent. Runs are runs, scored or prevented they all count the same. Worry about scoring more and allowing fewer, not which positions contribute to which side of the equation or how "consistent" you are at your current level of performance.

Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

Originally Posted by Caveat Emperor

Caveat wonders aloud to the group:

How much longer does Jay Bruce stay a Red, in AAA, with a new GM that has a past history of trading young players for established stars and a manager that has a past history (albeit showing no signs of that history at the moment) of preferring established players over young ones.

Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

Originally Posted by Az Red

The crux of the firing?

1. Castro being designated and eating his contract. Too many bad contracts
2. Calling up Belisle and not Bailey.
3. Fogg's ERA of 12.46.
4. Left handed heavy lineup tied Baker's hands.
5. Kriv yelled at the Jocketty for forgetting to make a new pot of coffee.

You know, we've always suspected that Castro had some very compromising pictures of both Wayne and Bowden, and that's how he kept his job.

I wonder if Castro showed the dirt to Cast after he was released. It wouldn't surprise me to see Castro carry out his threat.

Thank you Walt and Bob for bringing winning baseball back to Cincy

Nov. 13, 2007: One of the greatest days in Reds history: John Allen gets the boot!

Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

Reds name Walt Jocketty President of baseball operations and general manger

CINCINNATI -- Cincinnati Reds President and Chief Executive Officer Bob Castellini today announced that special advisor Walt Jocketty has been named President of Baseball Operations and General Manager.

Jocketty replaces Wayne Krivsky as general manager.

Jocketty was hired January 11 as special advisor to advise and assist Castellini in every facet of baseball operations, including matters related to the front office, Major League field and support personnel, scouting and minor league and international operations along with training and medical services.

A 33-year veteran of professional baseball, including the previous 13 with St. Louis as general manager, Jocketty's Cardinals teams went to the playoffs seven times. He won the National League Central Division six times and the 2001 NL Wild Card while earning two National League championships and the 2006 World Series title. The Cardinals have produced winning seasons in seven of the last eight years.

While general manager in St. Louis, Jocketty was named Major League Baseball's Executive of the Year by The Sporting News in 2000 and 2004 and by Baseball America in 2000. In 2004, he also received the Rube Foster Legacy Award from the Negro Hall of Fame as National League Executive of the Year.

Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

Originally Posted by 15fan

21 games in?

There's clearly something behind the scenes.

Reminds me of firing Tony Perez 44 games into 1993.

It does. The way I always figured it was that Tony was hired becausee of his ethniticity. Marge was going through some problems for what she said about blacks and this hire would show people whe wasn't a racist pig and it was a good sale to Reds Fans because of Tony's popularity.

However the man who JimBo really wanted to hire was Davey Johnson and he was there all along as a consultant. When JimBo fired Tony, Davey was right there to take over.

But I'm not sure why Bob kept Wayne around if he really wanted Jocketty.

Originally Posted by coachw513

I'm sick of rooting for 2 teams (Reds and Dolphins) that consistently screw up and change course almost randomly at times...here's to hoping this is not a case of that...

Re: Doc sez Krivsky FIRED!

I'm surprised this happened today. I knew it was coming, but I never thought of it happening after a nice win last night with Wayne's guy tearing it up. Wayne Krivsky appears to be a fine man and someone who is good at his job and has continued to learn as he went. He made several mistakes, but got better as time went on. He'll land on his feet and I hope he gets a job soon. If Dan O'brien can get a job, anyone can.

I'll go on record, again, saying that I am no Walt Jocketty fan and that's mostly because he came from St. Louis and I see how terrible their farm has been over the years. The Reds are not going to spend the money that the Cardinals did to get the players it took to win a championship. I think Walt will have lots of trouble turning this club into contenders anymore than Wayne could have. I hope for the best and will support Jocketty as much as possible.

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