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You said the same thing the season before.

Melo can't be compared to Dirk or Durant. These guy's lead their teams to the Finals, Dirk won a championship with one of the most amazing playoff performances of all time. Dirk takes difficult shots and make them at a much higher percentage than Melo. Durant is just 23 and will eventually appear in the Finals basically as many times as he chooses. Durant's ability go beyond the numbers actually when you think about it. A 6"11 SG/SF/PF Hybrid who can score from anywhere efficiently and get to the FT line with overall ability and can play off the ball. He's just on another level.

and Deron Williams is underrated. He's been neck and neck with Chris Paul (even though Paul is better) but Deron made Utah relevant and is the perfect blend between scoring, passing and defense. Respect his game and we know for certain Knicks would of been a better overall team led by Deron over Melo.

What do u expect Kiyaman, basketballs a business now. And what team wouldnt wanna load up with playoff experienced veterans? Maybe some of the old guys were better then some of the young guys, and maybe like Clyde said we only have a 2 year window between all these old guys and Amarknee's knees

u are right, we do have a 2 to 3 year window where we can build a top-contender team with all the method we learn from having 6 veteran players with 9 or more years experience in the NBA to give us maturity in the lockerroom, bench, and on the court.
We added a D.League team to the Knicks organization so we could always have a young fresh apple for the picking during a season.

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Originally Posted by metrocard

You said the same thing the season before.

Melo can't be compared to Dirk or Durant. These guy's lead their teams to the Finals, Dirk won a championship with one of the most amazing playoff performances of all time. Dirk takes difficult shots and make them at a much higher percentage than Melo. Durant is just 23 and will eventually appear in the Finals basically as many times as he chooses. Durant's ability go beyond the numbers actually when you think about it. A 6"11 SG/SF/PF Hybrid who can score from anywhere efficiently and get to the FT line with overall ability and can play off the ball. He's just on another level.

and Deron Williams is underrated. He's been neck and neck with Chris Paul (even though Paul is better) but Deron made Utah relevant and is the perfect blend between scoring, passing and defense. Respect his game and we know for certain Knicks would of been a better overall team led by Deron over Melo.

Melo will be judged on his team success from here on out, not his individual stats. I hope he understands this now as before it seemed like he just wanted to get his and that was that. If he is unable to bring the chip home then he will be considered a failure.

He has to know the score at this point and look forward to him proving to people that he can be the team leader and team facilitator that we need him to be. Does that mean he needs to be a point forward? no. but it does mean he needs to recognize that this team is better and more capable then his Denver teams and it's a different game out east. So he needs to step it up and become the man we need him to be. This BSPN ranking should only serve to motivate him further.

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To me, Melo just had to take better shots. He gets wreckless and take's some Jamal Crawfordish type shots that make no sense. Melo is 6"8 235 lbs...wish he played more off the ball like he does in the Olympics instead of choke up the shot clock and take impossible shots.

Rebounding, passing, defense...I don't expect Melo to dominate at these components, he'll fill it up here and there a bit...but I think we'll only be successful if Melo stays efficient as our primary scoring option.

What u say?

Originally Posted by CA7

Making him out to be something he's not

I seen ISO-Melo consistently score in an uptempo system in Denver for years. And when the playoffs came almost every year his team dealt with injuries even in New York. He played like **** some of the times but thats what happen when you dont have a legit #2 option.

And what do you mean I'm clueless to why management added so many playoff experienced veterans. I cant judge how our team looks until I see them play, did that last year and was completely wrong.

What I do know is Carmelo was used properly under Woodson and we seen the player he can be. He score efficiently, rebounded, got teammates involved, defended and was a leader on the court. If we get that Carmelo all year in my eyes he's a top 5 player why? because thats more than Durant or Dirk do, guys who only score yet are top 2 and top 10 players but Carmelo isn't. Its bull**** the way the media spins this ****. Blake Griffin top 10, Deron Williams shot 41% and was on a lottery team and is top 10, come on Kiya you know the media and some fan bases are highly under rating him. Was his a bum most of last year yes, was he hurt most of last year, STAT was hurt, Chandler got sick in the playoffs, Novak couldn't get open, Baron and Shump went down but EVERYTHING BAD THAT HAPPEN WAS CARMELO'S FAULT.

I'm sick of hearing that bull**** from people and I know he will prove to be a team player, consistent scorer, rebounder and defender. And our team will step up but I wont make assumptions about team success because we still dont know how we're going to look on the court.

Thats some insight for ya ass

I can see it never dawn on u to wonder why Melo's teammates always came down with a case of injuries when postseason arrive (Denver & New York) .. or why Melo demanded to be traded from an organization that wanted to give him the same amount of money as Kobe Bryant ($24M per).

I don't know how Melo act after he won the NCAA championship for Syracuse, but being picked 3rd in the draft, and never making it pass the first round, until player/coach Chuancey Billups won over all the Nuggets players (same as Lin-Sanity did in 25 games in New York) .. proves Melo has issues with his teammates .. same as Marbury, which cancel Melo out as being any NBA team role "Leadership-Player".... If Melo had the skills that Lebron or Durant have Melo wouldve been to the FINALS when he had Camby/Nene/K-Mart/and Iverson on his roster.

The Knicks having a full season under Headcoach Mike Woodson philosophy with PG-Kidd & F/C-Camby by his side .. I will make the assumption for u on the Knicks team success in the 2012-13 season .. Atlantic Division Title...

Melo can't be compared to Dirk or Durant. These guy's lead their teams to the Finals, Dirk won a championship with one of the most amazing playoff performances of all time. Dirk takes difficult shots and make them at a much higher percentage than Melo. Durant is just 23 and will eventually appear in the Finals basically as many times as he chooses. Durant's ability go beyond the numbers actually when you think about it. A 6"11 SG/SF/PF Hybrid who can score from anywhere efficiently and get to the FT line with overall ability and can play off the ball. He's just on another level.

and Deron Williams is underrated. He's been neck and neck with Chris Paul (even though Paul is better) but Deron made Utah relevant and is the perfect blend between scoring, passing and defense. Respect his game and we know for certain Knicks would of been a better overall team led by Deron over Melo.

I believe both Durant and DWill are better all around players then Carmelo is but I believe Dirk has dropped after last year. Carmelo vs Dirk is a coin toss in my opinion, but if Carmelo wants to have a great legacy he will have make sure this is no longer any debate by the all star break.

Melo can't be compared to Dirk or Durant. These guy's lead their teams to the Finals, Dirk won a championship with one of the most amazing playoff performances of all time. Dirk takes difficult shots and make them at a much higher percentage than Melo. Durant is just 23 and will eventually appear in the Finals basically as many times as he chooses. Durant's ability go beyond the numbers actually when you think about it. A 6"11 SG/SF/PF Hybrid who can score from anywhere efficiently and get to the FT line with overall ability and can play off the ball. He's just on another level.

and Deron Williams is underrated. He's been neck and neck with Chris Paul (even though Paul is better) but Deron made Utah relevant and is the perfect blend between scoring, passing and defense. Respect his game and we know for certain Knicks would of been a better overall team led by Deron over Melo.

This is a good post. I was gonna write something around these boundaries.

I was kinda surprised at Melo being at 16 I believe. We have a similar thread like this at the Heat forum and chris Bosh is actually one spot below Melo. But despite Carmelo's woeful PO record (which is probably being held against him) he should to be a bit higher. But of course seeing the whole list would help

Aight .. the best star-closer to compare Melo on par with would be Dirk.

Three years ago, u couldnt convince me that Dirk would win a championship ring in his NBA career unless u had a gun to my head.. until owner Cuban stepped-up his game to hire coach Rick Carlisle, and trade for Tyson Chandler then I was convince there was a possibility in Dallas having outstanding-chemistry from "Kidd, Terry, Butler, and Marion".

The Knicks have millions of fans outside of New York, and sometime these fans like to exaggerate. If Melo wasnt a Knicks u couldnt get one Knicks fan to believe that Melo's top skills were on par with Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Pierce, Durant, or Shuttleworth.

with felton, kidd, novak on the perimeter, i think melo will be able to take more quality shots than what he had to force last season with a thin bench with inconsistent perimeter shooting and poor spacing

Aight .. the best star-closer to compare Melo on par with would be Dirk.

Three years ago, u couldnt convince me that Dirk would win a championship ring in his NBA career unless u had a gun to my head.. until owner Cuban stepped-up his game to hire coach Rick Carlisle, and trade for Tyson Chandler then I was convince there was a possibility in Dallas having outstanding-chemistry from "Kidd, Terry, Butler, and Marion".

The Knicks have millions of fans outside of New York, and sometime these fans like to exaggerate. If Melo wasnt a Knicks u couldnt get one Knicks fan to believe that Melo's top skills were on par with Lebron, Kobe, Wade, Pierce, Durant, or Shuttleworth.

Im not 100% sure but it seems like you agree with me. Let me just say again this only has to do with the fact that Dirk didnt do sh*t to impress me last year. He came in out of shape, under achieved all year. They still had a good team even without chandler, maybe not a championship team but the way i see it they underachieved and got raped by the Thunder in the playoffs.