France Enforces Ban on Full-Face Veils in Public, people's opinion's! - Think Atheist2018-02-18T05:26:43Zhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/france-enforces-ban-on?commentId=1982180%3AComment%3A918383&x=1&feed=yes&xn_auth=nohere is a forum discussion
Wh…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2011-11-02:1982180:Comment:9183832011-11-02T20:16:29.750ZHopehttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/hope
<p>here is a forum discussion</p>
<h3><a href="http://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/why-must-we-wear-clothes">Why Must We Wear Clothes?</a></h3>
<p>here is a forum discussion</p>
<h3><a href="http://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/why-must-we-wear-clothes">Why Must We Wear Clothes?</a></h3> Public nudity is an example o…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2011-11-02:1982180:Comment:9176652011-11-02T08:52:54.841ZStutzhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Stutz
<p>Public nudity is an example of the higher standard I was referring to. It's different than banning a specific garment.</p>
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<p>But on the other hand, should governments be banning nudity? Nudity isn't inherently inciteful or dangerous like hate speech or yelling "fire" in a theater, so on some level, doesn't banning it also violate basic freedoms of expression, as distasteful as it is? Governments may reserve the legal right to ban it, but insofar as they do, isn't it…</p>
<p>Public nudity is an example of the higher standard I was referring to. It's different than banning a specific garment.</p>
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<p>But on the other hand, should governments be banning nudity? Nudity isn't inherently inciteful or dangerous like hate speech or yelling "fire" in a theater, so on some level, doesn't banning it also violate basic freedoms of expression, as distasteful as it is? Governments may reserve the legal right to ban it, but insofar as they do, isn't it self-contradictory, since governments exist to uphold and protect the rights enshrined in their foundational documents (Constitutions, etc)?</p> Well most of what we argued a…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2011-04-27:1982180:Comment:6377202011-04-27T08:57:03.127ZAkshay Bisthttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/AkshayBist
Well most of what we argued about would be off-topic in that thread too.
Well most of what we argued about would be off-topic in that thread too. You are actually going to sti…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2011-04-26:1982180:Comment:6354672011-04-26T13:52:18.743ZHeather Spoonheimhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/HeatherSpoonheim
<p>You are actually going to stick with the concept that fewer borders equals geographic isolation? You suggest that an evaluation of the statistics might prove your point but you don't even look them up? When I look up stats for you, you just dismiss them as not being adjusted in a way you might hope and then suggest I'm dismissive?</p>
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<p>So, wow, you are travelling to another part of England - how very worldly of you. I guess this is just your way of saying you can't address a…</p>
<p>You are actually going to stick with the concept that fewer borders equals geographic isolation? You suggest that an evaluation of the statistics might prove your point but you don't even look them up? When I look up stats for you, you just dismiss them as not being adjusted in a way you might hope and then suggest I'm dismissive?</p>
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<p>So, wow, you are travelling to another part of England - how very worldly of you. I guess this is just your way of saying you can't address a single point raised against your position. Obviously we won't see you back here for months.</p> Ok, so you acknowledge that t…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2011-04-26:1982180:Comment:6354642011-04-26T13:47:08.977ZHeather Spoonheimhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/HeatherSpoonheim
Ok, so you acknowledge that these divine justifications for murder, violence, gender inequality, etc, etc, etc, are all a part of the texts. You acknowledge that those who preach from the texts often espouse these values. You further acknowledge that these very values lead to daily occurrences of violence as a widespread attitude of intolerance. And in light of all this, you still suggest that no action be taken. Now I know you are not serious here. You started with a position that you hoped to…
Ok, so you acknowledge that these divine justifications for murder, violence, gender inequality, etc, etc, etc, are all a part of the texts. You acknowledge that those who preach from the texts often espouse these values. You further acknowledge that these very values lead to daily occurrences of violence as a widespread attitude of intolerance. And in light of all this, you still suggest that no action be taken. Now I know you are not serious here. You started with a position that you hoped to defend by repeatedly spewing some PC rhetoric, then realized you were wrong, but through all of this you have just had too much false pride to admit you misspoke. Just remember that your inability to admit you are wrong will only discredit any perception of your sincerity in future debates here. The same thing has been ackno…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2011-04-26:1982180:Comment:6354602011-04-26T13:41:14.697ZHeather Spoonheimhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/HeatherSpoonheim
The same thing has been acknowledged for Christianity. You can't justify your position of protecting the Quran as a religious text by saying it isn't the only holy book to instruct indoctrinates in divine justifications of murder. What a crock. You have lost this debate so many times over and refuse to even acknowledge it - now who is the bigot?
The same thing has been acknowledged for Christianity. You can't justify your position of protecting the Quran as a religious text by saying it isn't the only holy book to instruct indoctrinates in divine justifications of murder. What a crock. You have lost this debate so many times over and refuse to even acknowledge it - now who is the bigot? Oh don't bother starting a ne…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2011-04-26:1982180:Comment:6353702011-04-26T10:08:50.729ZAkshay Bisthttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/AkshayBist
Oh don't bother starting a new thread. You'll probably find one waiting for you, along with a list of links pointing to posts on this thread that you haven't replied to.
Oh don't bother starting a new thread. You'll probably find one waiting for you, along with a list of links pointing to posts on this thread that you haven't replied to. Ashkay - I'm sorry to have t…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2011-04-26:1982180:Comment:6353642011-04-26T09:53:24.098ZAkshay Bisthttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/AkshayBist
<blockquote><p>Ashkay - I'm sorry to have to spell everything out but I was asking for evidence of religious people in the west teaching that people should be killed, because Heather says they all have legal immunity.</p>
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<p>Read your post again. This is what you wrote.</p>
<blockquote><p>In terms of teachings I know you want to ban the Koran but I believe in freedom of religion. If there is evidence of teachers saying that pupils must kill individuals then report it to the…</p>
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Ashkay - I'm sorry to have to spell everything out but I was asking for evidence of religious people in the west teaching that people should be killed, because Heather says they all have legal immunity.</p>
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<p>Read your post again. This is what you wrote.</p>
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In terms of teachings I know you want to ban the Koran but I believe in freedom of religion. If there is evidence of teachers saying that pupils must kill individuals then report it to the police. I'm sorry but I really need some evidence of where a teacher in a mosque in the west has said that followers should kill gay men and lesbians in general - specifics, dates, places. There surely is an article in the news, and then we debate it, maybe in a new thread.</p>
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<p>No where do you say that you want evidence of police/the judiciary letting such events slip.</p>
<p>You just keep avoiding answering hard questions when evidence has been provided. I can think of multiple posts of mine which you haven't replied to, maybe because you can't answer them &amp; choose to avoid them.</p>
<p>And yeah you are right. We do need another thread. How about you leave me a message when you come back from your vacation &amp; I create a thread where we can discuss the difference in our viewpoints.</p>
<p>I think that you are an idealist taking the moral high road, either blissfully ignorant of the realities of the world around you or you just choose to ignore them. All your solutions are impractical to the point of being non-solutions. When you give solutions, please give practical solutions that will work in the real world &amp; not just idealist fantasies.</p> Another one - A "moderate" Am…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2011-04-26:1982180:Comment:6353002011-04-26T07:01:32.467ZAkshay Bisthttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/AkshayBist
<p>Another one - A "moderate" American Muslim, who ran a TV station to clear misconceptions about Islam &amp; show that it is a religion of peace beheaded his wife!</p>
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<a target="_self" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/17/muzzammil-hassan-muslim-t_n_167772.html">Article</a></p>
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<a target="_self" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpMPz9JF5b8">Video</a></p>
<p>Another one - A "moderate" American Muslim, who ran a TV station to clear misconceptions about Islam &amp; show that it is a religion of peace beheaded his wife!</p>
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<a target="_self" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/17/muzzammil-hassan-muslim-t_n_167772.html">Article</a></p>
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<a target="_self" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpMPz9JF5b8">Video</a></p> Need more food for thought -…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2011-04-26:1982180:Comment:6352922011-04-26T06:49:47.809ZAkshay Bisthttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/AkshayBist
Need more food for thought - Here, the son of the founder of Hamas says that there are no moderate muslims - <br />
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnmNBbOuOsY">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnmNBbOuOsY</a>
Need more food for thought - Here, the son of the founder of Hamas says that there are no moderate muslims - <br />
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnmNBbOuOsY">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnmNBbOuOsY</a>