Christianity at its best embodies this provocative idea and has long been committed to preserving, expanding and sharing truth. Most of the great universities of the world were founded by Christians committed to the truth—in all its forms—and to training new generations to carry it forward.

When science began in the 17th century, Christians eagerly applied the new knowledge to alleviate suffering and improve living conditions.

But when it comes to the truth of evolution, many Christians feel compelled to look the other way. They hold on to a particular interpretation of an ancient story in Genesis that they have fashioned into a modern account of origins - a story that began as an oral tradition for a wandering tribe of Jews thousands of years ago.

This is the view on display in a $27 million dollar Creation Museum in Kentucky. It inspired the Institute for Creation Research, which purports to offer scientific support for creationism.

While Genesis contains wonderful insights into the relationship between God and the creation, it simply does not contain scientific ideas about the origin of the universe, the age of the earth or the development of life.

For more than two centuries, careful scientific research, much of it done by Christians, has demonstrated clearly that the earth is billions years old, not mere thousands, as many creationists argue. We now know that the human race began millions of years ago in Africa - not thousands of years ago in the Middle East, as the story in Genesis suggests.

And all life forms are related to each other though evolution. These are important truths that science has discovered through careful research. They are not “opinions” that can be set aside if you don’t like them.

Anyone who values truth must take these ideas seriously, for they have been established as true beyond any reasonable doubt.

There is much evidence for evolution. The most compelling comes from the study of genes, especially now that the Human Genome Project has been completed and the genomes of many other species being constantly mapped.

In particular, humans share an unfortunate “broken gene” with many other primates, including chimpanzees, orangutans, and macaques. This gene, which works fine in most mammals, enables the production of Vitamin C. Species with broken versions of the gene can’t make Vitamin C and must get it from foods like oranges and lemons.

Thousands of hapless sailors died painful deaths scurvy during the age of exploration because their “Vitamin C” gene was broken.

How can different species have identical broken genes? The only reasonable explanation is that they inherited it from a common ancestor.

Not surprisingly, evolution since the time of Darwin has claimed that humans, orangutans, chimpanzees, and macaques evolved recently from a common ancestor. The new evidence from genetics corroborates this.

Such evidence proves common ancestry with a level of certainty comparable to the evidence that the earth goes around the sun.

This is but one of many, many evidences that support the truth of evolution - that make it a “sacred fact” that Christians must embrace in the name of truth. And they should embrace this truth with enthusiasm, for this is the world that God created.

Christians must come to welcome - rather than fear - the ideas of evolution. Truths about Nature are sacred, for they speak of our Creator. Such truths constitute “God’s second book” for Christians to read alongside the Bible.

In the 17th century, Galileo used the metaphor of the “two books” to help Christians of his generation understand the sacred truth that the earth moves about the sun. “The Bible,” he liked to say, “tells us how to go to heaven, not how the heavens ago.”

To understand how the heavens go we must read the book of Nature, not the Bible.

The Book of nature reveals the truth that God created the world through gradual processes over billions of years, rather than over the course of six days, as many creationists believe.

Evolution does not contradict the Bible unless you force an unreasonable interpretation on that ancient book.

To suppose, as the so-called young earth creationists do, that God dictated modern scientific ideas to ancient and uncomprehending scribes is to distort the biblical message beyond recognition. Modern science was not in the worldview of the biblical authors and it is not in the Bible.

Science is not a sinister enterprise aimed at destroying faith. It’s an honest exploration of the wonderful world that God created.

We are often asked to think about what Jesus would do, if he lived among us today. Who would Jesus vote for? What car would he drive?

To these questions we should add “What would Jesus believe about origins?”

And the answer? Jesus would believe evolution, of course. He cares for the Truth.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Karl W. Giberson.

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I apologize. You guys are right. I should have known that you can't have an intelligent conversation on an anonymous discussion board. It won't happen again 🙂

Bye

April 12, 2011 at 9:40 am |

Who cares Anna2

Awww....Poor Anna2...takes her conceited lying a++ somewhere else. What ego. You act as though you really contributed something.

April 12, 2011 at 11:29 am |

Curt

Ha! Not a troll poster but a troll article. The sheer purpose of it is to be controversial. 🙂

April 12, 2011 at 8:47 am |

Steve

I'm atheist. I do not argue theology because no one's belief is likely to be changed. But you are doing what has been done since man first invented invisible caretakers. You have changed your god to match your particular belief or purpose. You created your god in your image. 🙂

April 12, 2011 at 8:17 am |

Dan S

Steve,

I am a Christian. Unfortunately, though, much to the surprise of you and many others, i would have to agree with you. Sure it's disappointing, but truth is truth, no matter how you spin it. You may not know this, Steve, but you're not the first to come out and say it. Voltaire, famous French philosopher which you may have heard of, also said this "When God created the earth, he man man in his own image. Man returned the favor by doing the same. You may not be bothered by that idea, but if you are that's great – you have compassion, which would by nature lead me to question you being an atheist, because a true atheist doesn't have any compassion, but then again most Christians today don't either. THAT, I can say from experience.

April 13, 2011 at 1:43 am |

Dan S

Sorry, there was a typo in there. For the Voltaire quote, I meant to type this: "When God created the earth, He made man in His own image. Man then returned the favor and did the same."

April 13, 2011 at 1:46 am |

June

It really doesn't matter how you interpret the Bible. The truth is that there is not even one tiny shred of scientific evidence for the theory of evolution. Sure, micro-evolution happens, but people have known that for thousands of years – that's how they managed to raise animals suitable for domestic purposes. There is no evidence whatsoever that speciation or increasing complexity occurred because of natural selection.

The only "evidence" for evolution is the fact that so many people seem to be believe in it – so it "must" be true! So was phlogiston.

April 12, 2011 at 7:59 am |

Nonimus

Fossils like ambulocetus, tiktaalik, archeopteryx, and ho.mo habilis all support the Theory of Evolution (TOE).
Biochemistry like the pattern of occurrences and repeti.tions of the cytochrome-c protein support TOE.
Biogeography like the distribution of marsupials in and from Australia support TOE.
Genetics like Human Chromosome-2 support TOE.

As far as I'm aware the is no scientific evidence for creation though.

All these interesting theories about theories... The "Big Bang" always makes me smile...apparently something did happen in nothing from nothing. Will the theory of this "event" in multiple universes really solve this conundrum? Here are some more interesting ones: Matter can evolve...but how did the laws that govern and sustain them come about? Do they evolve? Cause if they don't then they are the true reality that "evolving" matter conforms to! What is the significance of "evolution over time" if all that is came about in the absence of time? What is time? Does "natural selection" or "natural processes" explain anything? No really ...think about it...observed mechanisms are not initiators or sustainers, only observed functions happening to/in matter...certainly not creating or sustaining it... no matter how technically specific you get there's nothing profound there...

Furthermore, there is the inexplicable miracle of consciousness attempting to fathom all of this. The most awesome experience of autonomous reality being the spark in our minds that enables us to have our own perceptions & experience of reality. "Ye are gods"...be children of the Light... Most significantly, it has never to my knowledge been confessed by either group, that possibly "creation" is utterly beyond our faculties and abilities, having no connection with "making things" or "emulating them" from observed (we did not put it there) phenomenon. And I might add, considering the limitations of our faculties, it does not surprise me that this is not obvious to all.

So I doubt very much that Jesus has anything to say on "evolution" as it has nothing to say in and of itself...but reinterprets itself every time truth seekers question it...Where are they at now? Stopped following after GAIA. In fact, evolutionists have stated over and over that they do not have a clue as to why anything "is" at all...so believe them! They endeavor to classify species and discover the workings of "observable" phenomena. Though the "how" (theories) of said phenomena are also quite weak...eg. notice how reverse evolution brings us right back to a biological "big bang" as improbable as the birth of our universe...oops...universes...

I think it more likely that Jesus prefers we focus on truth revealing us to be lesser than apes if we consider our abuse of those gifts we supposedly "evolved into" that push them onto the brink of extinction and so many other species along with them...

So you can choose to make sides of "big bangs" and "cambrian explosions"(over time) OR "Let There Be Light" revealing a complexity of infinite proportions and "design" ergo... Designer. Though I'm really not convinced that there are any "sides" to these impossibilities allowing – us and all there is – to be possible...but a single Source.

For myself, I need no reminding that God "...knows the wisdom of this world and that it is foolishness."

PS evolution is as much a "fact" as the sky is blue...meaning only at a certain angle & under certain limited conditions...oh yeah... and those require "light" as well... think about it...

April 12, 2011 at 7:01 am |

jim

A common design may equal a common designer.

April 12, 2011 at 6:20 am |

Nonimus

A common morphology may equal a common ancestor.

April 12, 2011 at 1:34 pm |

WithinReason

Would someone please tell me what exactly is so wrong with the concept that we were created with the ability to evolve? Why; How are the two ideas mutually exclusive? I believe they are not.

April 12, 2011 at 3:34 am |

Dan S

They're mutually exclusive because the evolution non-Christians are trying to argue the cause of, by it's nature means adding genetic information to already existing creatures, which isn't possible for any creature to do by itself. The type of evolution Christians believe in, is something that can only happen by subtracting genetic information. As an example, dogs do not adapt to a hotter environment by having more genetic information added to help them survive – they survive because the ones that survive lose the genetic information for long hair over time, as only those dogs that have genetic information of short hair have the ability to survive. Thus, in a hot environment short haired dogs survive, and vice versa for long haired dogs in cold environments. I hope that makes sense.

April 13, 2011 at 1:57 am |

WithinReason

@Dan S: A) If genetic Information can only be subtracted and not added, then how is that not also evolution? ...and B) How does your theory account for Genetic Mutation? Isn't that adding something completely new to the picture?

April 13, 2011 at 6:33 am |

Dan S

Mr. Giberson,

In your article, you quote: "When science began in the 17th century..." You also quote, "Science is not a sinister enterprise aimed at destroying faith. It’s an honest exploration of the wonderful world that God created." If God created the world millions of years ago, but science began in the 17th century, does that mean that all people alive prior to the 17th century were incoherent, unintelligent morons?

April 12, 2011 at 2:12 am |

Nonimus

@Dan S,
Not sure what you're trying to get at, but I think the author was talking about Modern Science which often is traced to the 16th or 17th century. Also, I don't think people before that time were unintelligent, but due the lack of Modern Science and education in general they were for the most part ignorant of the way the universe as a whole worked. Although, to their credit they were probably more knowledgable about how their own small portion of the universe worked, than we are today; hunting, surviving, which plants are edible, which make good building material, etc.

April 12, 2011 at 1:32 pm |

Dan S

But that's not what he said. He specifically stated, and I quote: "Science began in the 17th century." He didn't specify modern science, any certain types of science, especially not any specific branch of science. Again, he specifically stated – "Science began in the 17th century." By it's very definition, that also equates to there not being any science prior to the 17th century, which also means that anyone living before the 17th century are all nothing more than unintelligent morons without any mental capacity with which to understand anything about the world they live in, Jesus included. Then again, I could see how that would lead to a belief in evolution. Good thing Mr. Giberson's family tree prior to the 17th century isn't alive today to read that – they'd have whooped him senseless. I can't possibly imagine why?

April 13, 2011 at 2:07 am |

ricinsac

... THANK YOU !!!

April 12, 2011 at 1:15 am |

Jeff Palzer

I think Jesus would respond to the author something like, "Karl, Karl, you are anxious and worried about many things [like trying to convince everyone of the 'truth' of evolution]. My people have found a better thing, following me, and I am not going to take that from them." Check out my full response at http://jeffpalzer.blogspot.com/2011/04/jesus-and-evolution.html

April 12, 2011 at 12:23 am |

PRISM 1234

Wow! It's amazing.... 3,134 posts! And to think that most of them are written by those who desp'erately ate'mpt to defend their religion of evolution! !
I'm glad that God settled it all before this forum started, way before... His Word is forever settled in the Heavens, and all that ex'ists declares His majesty and glory! There is nothing in this universe that ex'ists without His hand having created it .... All things are in Him , by Him and through Him, and all creation bears His fingerprints... Yet the mankind , in the darkness of their hearts, because of sin of pride that's in them, have num'bed their hearts, shut their eyes, and say HE DOES NOT EXIST! Yet all creat'ion tes'tifies of Him, with songs of praise to His glory echoing throughout the whole universe which is arrayed in beauty that reflects Him! ....

! ! ! Hallelujah ! ! ! My heart sings also, as my spirit wells up in me!!
Blessed be God, the Lord of all creation, for His wonderful works, and for the blessed hope and future He has prepared for those who love Him, whose hearts long for His Kingdom ! ! ! Let the moc'kers have their fill of moc'keries! Let them gather and throw insults at God's little ones, so they can gloat about themselves how superior and intelligent THEY are! Let them have their feasts of moc'keries! ! !

But on that day, when the Lord of Glory splits the sky, and every eye sees Him, there will be no rocks large enough, nor deep enough under the earth, under which they will crawl to hide themselves from the brightness of His face and His piercing eyes! I am glad of that day! Not because I want to see anyone suffer, but because your blasphemies have stirred the anger of holy God, and your reward will be fitting and just.

There are those who are in hardships in this life...They live in poverty, oppre'ssion and evil men are imposing heavy yokes on them. Maybe they didn't know the Name of Jesus Christ, and have not heard that He came as the Lamb of of God to become a propit'iation for their sins, so that they may be saved.... But there is one thing for sure... They will stand in judgment against you, overfed, pre'sum'ptious, arrogant , self absorbent people, and you will wish to God that YOU were one of them, even the last beggar from among them.... Because all you will see is God's furry and wrath...Because – IT IS A FEARFUL THING TO FALL INTO THE HANDS OF LIVING GOD! But , go ahead, laugh at that too, while you have still time, so that the coals of fire be piled up even higher upon your heads!
And here is one more message for you: The Almighty, righteous, Holy , and just God will have the last laugh!

April 12, 2011 at 12:05 am |

Cantard

Snort. I passed a bill board on I-35 proclaiming May 21 to be judgement day. I'll wait with baited breath, then pop into work on the following Sunday just to rub God's nose in it.

April 12, 2011 at 12:30 am |

Eugene

You've got to be kidding me. You wasted all that time to write that?

April 12, 2011 at 3:49 am |

Dan S

I saw that billboard too, Cantard. I didn't see it on I-35 though. I saw it on I-96, so I'm thinking this must be a national thing. Either way, even as a Christian, that bothers me too. I don't see it as an affront to God like you do, though, but another William Miller / Joseph Smith type (sorry Mormons) who are again going to mislead many of God's people to think judgment day is coming on May 21st, only to have it not happen. I do think you're probably right to think that it won't happen then, as do I. I do hope it leads you to think that although it won't happen on May 21st, it will happen soon. Even if you're not a Christian, with the way we keep screwing the planet up, it's only a matter of time before the earth replies with a big 'ole "screw you, people – I can't handle you trashing me like this anymore. I've had enough and now it's time you saw the end result of all your mistakes." For all it's flaws, many of which you can read here (and I hope I'm not contributing to that myself, for that's certainly not my intention), true Christianity does offer the only hope from this soon coming destruction. As much as I'd hope you'd discover the truth about life beyond the here and now, I do know that it's only through your own search will you find the answers you seek. I can answer your questions to help guide you in that search, but only if you want it. I also hope that you don't find my responses written in a non-insulting way, like the person above wrote with all his hellfire and brimstone speech which you considered a waste of time, and in some ways rightfully so. Sadly, that above e-mail does an even greater injustice to Christianity than whoever came up with this whole apostate, heretical May 21 "Judgment Day" movement, not that either one helps those of us who care to defend the truth of what Christianity is really all about, and I hope you don't also think me writing this is also a waste of time, as I do like to write. Although – if it does happen on May 21, that means I don't have to reach age 40 – I mean 39 (yeah 39!!!) a week later. Maybe that's not all that bad? (:: Smiling ::) If it doesn't happen, I guess I'll just have to celebrate that unfortunate birthday by waking up myself also, and enjoy my pyrrhic celebration. woooo (sarcastically typed).

April 13, 2011 at 2:33 am |

PRISM 1234

@ Dan S
It is an amazing thing that of all things written in my comment above, the only thing you see is fire and brimstone! What does God say about things in my comment? Why don't you ask Him?

April 13, 2011 at 8:13 pm |

Dan S

I never said that was all I saw. Now you're compounding the problem by making assumptions that simply aren't true. What I was saying is that any non-believer who reads your comment will only see the hellfire and brimstone part of it, and completely blow it off. There are better ways to share the message than to hammer it down someone's throat the way it seems your initial post does – take it from someone who knows what's it's like to have turned people off many times with the message based on the heated tone of the message. But don't take my word for it, you can read it in the replies of everyone else who responded to your post, both before AND after this reply.

April 13, 2011 at 9:30 pm |

PRISM 1234

Don, go to the Word of God and search out under the word "mockers" , and see what God has to say to them. See if He had comforting words for arrogant, haughty, mockers and blasphemers! Read the book of Revelations, if you think it was just for the O.T. IT is in NEW Testament!...
Sadly, today's church has lost the vision of who God is, of His Character and His nature.
Here is something that people who are uncomfortable speaking un-coated truth need to understand: LOVE WITHOUT TRUTH IS LAME, JUST AS TRUTH WITHOUT LOVE IS LAME!. We can love them WITHOUT TRUTH straight to the portals of hell. And that's how satan likes it!

April 13, 2011 at 9:56 pm |

I_get _it

PRIGM is saying SHUT UP AND BELIEVE (exactly what he/she believes).

April 13, 2011 at 10:23 pm |

PRISM 1234

I am a mocker but I needed to get your attention of my own short comings and stupidity I succeeded.

April 13, 2011 at 10:27 pm |

PRISM 1234

You posted :

"PRISM 1234

I am a mocker but I needed to get your attention of my own short comings and stupidity I succeeded."

I AM ASKING:
How low can someone get to go around impersonating others out of spite? Is this another attempt of God haters to stop those who speak on His behalf to stop speaking?

If there is a way to do something about it, I will find it! You, buster, can be sure of that!

April 14, 2011 at 10:15 am |

Cantard

This is an absurd article. Jesus wouldn't believe in evolution. He also wouldn't believe that the earth was billions of years old, that the sun was a ball of flaming gas 1,000 times larger then his world, that the earth was round, that everything and everyone was made of atoms, and that illness was caused by microcopic life forms instead of demons. Jesus lived 2,000 years ago and occupied himself with theology and carpentry...maybe animal husbandry. We might as well ask if Jesus believed in lasers for all the relevance of the question.

April 12, 2011 at 12:03 am |

NL

Interesting how so many believers would easily discredit the notion of their God taking eons to carefully, lovingly attend to every detail of creation, and to continue doing so in favor of the idea of God slapping together all of creation in the time it takes the average home handyman to do a reno project like paint the house, or build a fence. Maybe God was nagged into doing a rush job?

April 11, 2011 at 11:27 pm |

MrsGod

It took a long time to get him to understand.
He's deaf, you see.
But I kept after him until he got off his you-know-what and turned on the lights.
You have no idea how hard it is to do sign language in the dark.

April 12, 2011 at 8:57 am |

MensaAdmin

@Anna2
Could you please stop throwing around the name of our organization? Your hubris is rather embarrassing. Can you imagine if all Mensa members comported themselves as you have on these pages? The organization would be populated with snooki-type personalities that populate "The Jersey Shore" rather than the erudite lucid people that sport membership in our (meaning I and other Mensites) organization. Also, you seem to be unaware of the nature of the internet. Making a claim and the truth behind it often are two different dogs biting each other's tail. If your thoughts cannot stand on their own merit then why would throwing about the name of "our" organization help your cause?

April 11, 2011 at 11:15 pm |

Using a head

Well.

TO ANSWER MYSELF THE QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT JESUS WOULD HAVE BELIEVED IN EVOLUTION

As always, there is (duh) stupidity and blind, ignorant faith on BOTH sides, and it really seems that adults just can't learn to think strait, or at least with reason. Just for you atheists' sakes, I won't use the Bible except in the way the author here uses it.

Before I go on, please forgive any spelling or grammar errors. If you make a distracting reply about it to abuse me, stop being a moron and just be quiet. It's the content of the argument that matters.

First of all, I want to clarify that the definition of the word "Evolution" is slicker and more slippery than any car salesman, and what it sells to you may include more trash in the back seat than any used car. Think genocide and eugenics. Of course not everyone that believes in evolution thinks that their in some sort of master race. But it helps.

Evolution, for the sake of this post, means the formation of all life from non living material by strictly natural means (unguided)
Theistic evolution is believing that God created life and then let evolution produce all the species.
Macroevolution means evolution of one type of animal into another (dino to bird)
Microevolution means organisms breed for characteristics already present in the gene pool.

Equivocation (use two different meanings of a word) is a logical fallacy commonly used by Evolutionists.
"because finches on different islands have different beaks by natural selection, evolution is true."
"because evolution doesn't say that God doesn't exist, Christians should be evolutionists."
"Jesus stood for the truth. Evolution is true. Ergo, Jesus would believe in evolution."
See the equivocation?
No?

Ok, the first one equivocates the narrowing of genes by natural selection with the development of new gene sets by mutation and selection. The first is commonly observed. The second is "seen" in bacteria, but not really, because bacteria actually increase their mutation rate when they sense danger to create new characteristics. And those are only AB resistances. In the fossil record (very broken and incomplete) only a few "intermediate" species are found, and those are not clear lineages or even very common. Say maybe 3, 4 areas with any possible lines. But I digress.

Two: This is a very important equivocation. By the "official", school definition, evolution is unguided and entirely by chance: in other words, no God. The real clash is not whether science or religion is right: it is whether we subscribe to naturalism/materialism or ideas. In other words, which do you think came first: matter or information. This is the time to choose.

Three: Yes, Jesus believed in truth. He claimed HE was THE Truth. Read the Bible. "No one can come to the father except through me" – either perfection comes by making yourself a slave to chance and human reason, or a slave to "Righteousness": not both can be the way to be a "Son of God"
Evolution tells us: we are getting better every day, and maybe one day we will abolish death and the reign of reason and logic will come.
Christianity tells us: we were perfect until we fell, and from that day we have never improved. We are falling slaves to sin, un-reason. But God is perfect reason and perfect Love, he sent a savior, so that we hill live without death and live under the reign of reason and logic and love.

Jesus tells us the world is fallen and can't get up without him. Evolution says the world keeps rising up.

Either Adam and Eve Sinned and fell from perfection or single cell climbed to the peak of life.

Its not a question of whether evolution occurs. Though I don't believe in it. The question is whether the gospel of Darwin's priests matches with the message of Christ's followers.

IT DOESN'T

So my take on whether Jesus would believe in evolution? Not in eternity.

April 11, 2011 at 11:11 pm |

David

Well said!

April 11, 2011 at 11:56 pm |

Cantard

"Evolution tells us: we are getting better every day, and maybe one day we will abolish death and the reign of reason and logic will come."

Fecal matter generated by male cattle. You sir, are full of this substance. Never have I heard such a claim uttered out of the mouth of anyone save for a christian fundamentalist.

April 12, 2011 at 12:21 am |

Wow Indeed!

Yeah. everybody that believes in evolution believes in eugenics. I don't know which is worse. You pointing out peoples fallacious arguments or not having enough intelligence to realize you yourself use them.
The definition of Evolution isn't slippery. It's your grasp of the concept that's slippery.
Just because evolution is the central concept of Biology doesn't mean all "Evolutionists" (whatever that means) think all Creationists should accept evolution.
Evolution isn't purely by chance. Why do people pontificate without a clear idea about what they're talking about? It's determined by SNPS, genetic drift and environmental stressors.
Thanks for that display of ego. Pick out your own logical fallacies before pretending to be a master of logic.

April 12, 2011 at 12:27 am |

Eugene

"Evolution tells us: we are getting better every day, and maybe one day we will abolish death and the reign of reason and logic will come." Hahahahaha wow. You really don't grasp evolution then, do you?

April 12, 2011 at 3:46 am |

NL

Wow Indeed!-
Yes, and wouldn't eugenics be 'un-natural' selection?

April 12, 2011 at 8:15 am |

Wow Indeed!

Good point. You are right.

April 12, 2011 at 2:04 pm |

Anonymous

Ya Dun Goofed!

April 11, 2011 at 10:56 pm |

Don't feed the trolls Anna2

You fed the trolls. You let them know they got to you. Not smart.

April 11, 2011 at 10:52 pm |

Wow Indeed!

The trolls feed the trolls feed the trolls feed the trolls.

April 12, 2011 at 12:18 am |

187IQ

"If you are too stupid to realize that something has been written by an idiot and not somebody with an IQ of 160+, then you are the one who is stupid."
Mensa? How plebian. I have an IQ of 187.
From your post right there I would say the only IQ points utilized were those that aided you in typing that tripe. Maybe 68-69?

April 11, 2011 at 10:49 pm |

jim

Who are you addressing and what is your point? Your estimate of your IQ may be inflated.

April 12, 2011 at 5:42 am |

Rev. Rick

@ 187IQ – Sounds like you are beginning to believe your own marketing...which of course proves it is just that. Marketing.

April 12, 2011 at 9:39 am |

JPFord

The author of this piece really doesn't understand the science in Scripture. We are always trying to divide Christian faith with science, but God is not only the Creator of life. God is also the Creator of science. The thing about science is it is infinite. We will never know everything about science because one question leads to more questions. We are finite. Even when believers are with God we will not know everything, but continue to grow in intellect. To say we can prove God or evolution through science alone is very bold. Especailly when scientists can not agree. As a Christian I can say that by faith I know there is a God and nature (science) is God's general revelation to mankind. I also do not see any legitimate, outstanding proof of Macroevolution, but only proof of Microevolution which I believe what took place after the "Great Flood". Microevolution was the result of many new climates being created after that event. Microevolution is also a possible answer to Noah's Ark. Secular and creation science holds the earth at one point was completely tropic (one climate) and may have been one continent, Pangea. This c

April 11, 2011 at 10:48 pm |

Gloria

Really? Jesus would believe in evolution when He was the One who created the Earth.. in seven days like He said in the Bible?

Don't think so. Don't lie to yourself; accommodating your own personal beliefs with that of a HOLY God. Please reconsider these things.

April 11, 2011 at 10:36 pm |

CB1111

Gloria than look at yourself. God says one day is like a thousand years. Read over the creation story again. It varies based on where you are. In a formless universe with no sun yet- what does God mean by a day? A day is a rotation of a planet and varies planet to planet. Once Man is made, the perspectve of the story shifts from God time to human earth time. The creationists are not allowing the Bible to speak for itself but interpreting it to their limited understanding. Perhaps studying more relevant information from Jewish scholars from the ancient times would help you interpret the OT better. The physics they knew and knowledge about the universe is beyond understanding unless someone helped them (GOD?) to understand. In terms of evolution, there is a flaw and it does not account for all the changes over such a short time, but the DNA of all of us has more info than previously realized. Genes turned on and off create dramatic shifts. accounts for dramatic shifts triggerred by cataclysmic events like comets, etc occurring over a shorter period of time. You can get a bird born with teeth if the right gene is not suppressed etc. My science seems to agree with the Bible. But the limited view of the creationists and evolutionists who make a false arguments are not right. Science is not truth. Its the best understanding of a set of observations and conclusions in good science are fluid, open to change when a better understanding becomes apparent.

April 12, 2011 at 12:11 am |

R. Cameron

CB1111.

There is no room for your proposition. The Bible leaves no room for the evolutoinary model of creation. Genesis says – the evening and the morning were the first day. It repeats this over and over. You can't say creation according to Scripture could have been thousands of years. The Bible does not allow for that interpretation. It is very specific.

April 12, 2011 at 1:14 am |

WithinReason

Would someone please tell me what exactly is so wrong with the concept that we were created with the ability to evolve? Why; How are the two ideas mutually exclusive? I believe they are not. In fact, this makes more sense to me than either of the two polar arguments.

April 12, 2011 at 3:37 am |

CB1111

R Cameron you prove my point exactly. I stated Evolution is wrong also and already disproved. There is natural selection but you disregard the beatiful miracle of God that encoded already in our DNA is an preexisting enormous diversity of potential life. There isalso no room for you in your thinking to read the Bible or other texts written at the same time as the Bible to help you understand. You disregard the Bible and cannot even read that its not creation vs evolution as a simplistic argument. The people like you missed that the world was round beacuse they did not understand that knowledge was in the Bible. Columbus read his Bible and ran into America. You on the other hand would have bought the church interpretation the world is flat rather than really read the Bible again. Define a day in a universe without an earth planet rotating on its axis? The earth has also spun at different speeds at different times. These huge earthquakes keep changing our length of a day. So even in your lifetime a day is not a fixed length. Jesus said he existed at the beginning of creation- Einstein understood God's rules and creation better than you. Read some Bible literature written by scientists and get informed. You negate the wonders of God and his Creation

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