Late last week, in a conference call with donors, Governor Mitt Romney said what we all know to be the truth: that Obama's reelection plan was to divide Americans across various lines and dole out government freebies, such as health insurance, amnesty, and birth control. The promise of these "gifts" (or the fear of losing them) would then drive out turnout, specifically among those who did turn out: blacks, students, and Hispanics -- and lo and behold, it worked.

For days now, Romney's been blistered by the media for telling a truth about a political tactic that the media itself declared as smart politics in real-time as Obama practiced it. I guess the lesson is that practicing divisive politics with the use of taxpayer-funded freebies is okay, but pointing it out is racist.

[...]

Whatever.

What should worry us, though, is that some of the men who seek to carry our flag into 2016 have jumped aboard this Nonsense Train with both feet. At differing levels of indignation, Bobby Jindal, Chris Christie, and Marco Rubio have all publicly criticized Romney for telling this truth.

Speaking only for myself, let me just say that if this is the first step these men are taking towards a 2016 White House bid -- I'm not impressed. Attacking a man for telling what we all know is the truth, is political cowardice. Tactically, though, it's just dumb, and dumb will not win the White House in 2016.

Rubio is awful. Charismatic, charming, Latino. What has he done to protect and defend the Constitution? I HVE seen him championing the UN and ther’s a picture of him with “Socialite” Jill kelley and Co. Or Broadwell, whoever of that crew.

All I can say is this, hopefully people try, but with voter fraud, a rising generation that cares more for a distorted caricature of history as opposed to some of the very real flaws that existed, and simply stubbornly want to believe and preach the leftist mantras, then have no problem simply committing voter fraud to overrepresent themselves, the time is really looming where people will either cave to go and play like those who have the apparent mortal power (arms, membership, political popularity, celebrity buzz) or try sticking to the basic principles of Christ, continuing to give truth to his name, continuing to encourage his principles. The virtues of Jesus Christ are now pretty much firmly out of the picture, it’s all a question now for whomever has a sense of virtue to either abandon it, or stick with it and consider the kind of rewards that Jesus promised.

Got back from the cleanups with my volunteering with the Catholic Charities this past weekend, paints a far better picture, and gives me some hope for the future, aside from the awfully corrupt political picture.

we are in deep trouble with his views on taxes, immigration and being Jeb Bush's pick anyway..If he were a true conservative, we've have a winner. Why are they going moderate safe after a crushing defeat to a Marxist leader. (head to desk)

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posted on 11/18/2012 5:52:27 PM PST
by Christie at the beach
(I like Newt. As another FR member says..Obamas are living in gangster paradise.)

Romney was technically correct in his statement that 47% pay no income tax. He was strategically incorrect by saying that he’s “not concerned about them.” What he should have said is something like this: “Unlike the President, who appears to be SO UNCONCERNED with 47% of our population that he wants to keep them dependent on the other 53% who pay income tax, I want to offer that 47% the kind of helping hand they are actually crying for, but to which the President remains deaf: they are crying to be self-reliant! They are asking for their dignity back by means of productive work in the private sector where they are beholden to no one but themselves and the markets they serve! Our President said that he wants to “transform America.” I want to transform AMERICANS: from dependent to independent. From VICTIM to VICTOR.”

[Just wondering if that would have been a more politic way of phrasing the same truth.]

I think they are thinking that you can’t get a loser’s vote that wants stuff for free by telling them, “YOU ARE A LOSER THAT WANTS STUFF FOR FREE AND ARE A BIG PART OF OUR PROBLEM”.

So what is their solution then to this?
Should be to limit the saftey net programs to all but the elderly and disabled, the rest have to be short term.
We also need to greatly reduce government employees and their costs to the taxpayer.

Again, since unions give billions upon billions to Democrats every two years for elections, how are we supposed to defeat THAT without calling it what it is? “An exchange of donations for extreme pay and benefits”...

Then you have the teacher’s union and professors at colleges from Junior colleges up brainwashing the kids into voting for bonds, props and Presidents that are disasters for our country and budget. So what is the answer to dealing with that without calling that what it is?

Rubio knows that the GOP-e will DESTROY any Conservative who stands on Principle, and like so many others, caves in to get Funding.

The ONLY ones who have stood up to the GOP-e seem to be Sarah Palin and Herman Caine.....and you KNOW how they were assaulted and pummeled by the State-Run-Media, AND the GOP-e, and that's because they FEAR Conservatives rising up and telling it like it is. I've already seen Bobby Jindal jumping the shark, to avoid being attacked.

Yes. Allen West is a REAL black man who would charge hell with a bucket of water. - Some have said he wasn’t “ready” to be President, not experienced enough . . . and the sorta black(ish) man we’re stuck with IS “ready”, IS “experienced”? I’m gonna donate to West’s recount effort. He did the right thing; who can fight boxes of ballots “suddenly” being accidentally found here and there?

If we can no longer have faith that our elections are at least largely honest, then what have we left? Nothing.

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posted on 11/18/2012 6:12:44 PM PST
by Twinkie
(Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.)

The GOP did NOT give us OBAMA twice; that is BS.
I think we have be adults and realize that Romney did a great job of painting a positive contrast to Obama.
The failings of this campaign were due to how much was already given to government employees and losers by the Democrat party before Obama came in and how vastly much more he increased it.

2 year unemployment.

Obama-phone...

Lots more food stamps.

Got rid of the work requirement for welfare and other reforms put in by Gingrich and Clinton.

Greatly grew government, and directed almost all stimulus to government workers.

Top 2% pay 75% of all taxes and he created class warfare to direct the anger at the successful people instead if the unsuccessful Obama.

Obama-care, greatly increasing more government employees and the IRS.

On and on.

Romney painted a direct contrast and informed the American people we are on the path for Greece, but they voted Greece.

So this isn’t the GOP and they have been fighting the Democrat party giving away the Treasury for the vote for some 40 years now.
How do you fight politicians willing to give money away from the treasury with talk of balancing budgets and getting strong again when SO MANY PEOPLE HAVE AND WANT THEIR HANDS OUT FOR MORE.

I am married to a great lady who was from Mexico and even she says people, especially poor ones come here from Mexico to try and work and get on the dole because you do real well with all the hand outs here versus nothing in Mexico.

PS, wife works and pays taxes. But she is the kind we wanted here in America, self supporting and a tax payer, not taker.

I also have sympathy for the poor from elsewhere. I’m not trying to be mean, but they need to make paradise in their lands and not bankrupting our lands. God bless them, but...

You, me and the rest of the choir, here, get that message. We’d truly like to see those that are dependent become transformed from “victim” to victor. The sad reality is that a many - not all - of these “victims” have no desire or interest, in getting their dignity back if it means having to actually work for a living.

I agree with you. Our real problem in America is the electorate: many are willingly ignorant, want a hand-out, not a hand-up, and many just don’t care. There will always be a radical liberal ready to take the reins of the POTUS, but it’s the those of America that vote for such a one that really concerns me.

This entire show is ridiculous. The republicans have the American message and just refuse to expand on that and take that message to the American people. It's like they really do not want the power back. How many years are we to put up with this..another election it will be too late. I don't think they are going to change. Come on..they could not even find the will to beat Obama after we all know that he's deliberately changing our country for the worse. Each election cycle, we are losing more of our voters who have given up/lost faith in this party. Warning signs everywhere. They have to change and come out fighting..I mean tough (not extreme) Fighting Obama every inch every moment of their lives.

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posted on 11/18/2012 6:34:53 PM PST
by Christie at the beach
(I like Newt. As another FR member says..Obamas are living in gangster paradise.)

I can’t take this. We are only a couple weeks out of a fraudulent election and already everyone is pulling the purist card on us. Let’s wait and see what the field looks like as we get closer to 2016. We aren’t going to find someone 100% pure. As great as Ronald Reagan was - he did some things which were horrible such as amnesty and the Iran-Contra affair.

Get over this purist attitude. Even a bona-fide conservative isn’t going to give us 100% of whatever litmus test we have imbred in us.

Had a facebook friend that was against Obama way back in the primaries...but she fell for the “war on women” thing and was convinced that Romney and the GOP were going to ban all contraceptives and try to take away women’s vote. She’s here in Idaho so didn’t really matter much cause Romney still carried 65%...but I know there were more like her out in the battleground states where it mattered most.

Obama gave us his commie little self why do you think he had trumka and all those losers in first...he owes them for stealing the election. Look at all of the
Union b/s that’s happened since. Hostess? Walmart? etc.

Your pantywaist, etch-a-sketch progressive spawn off of a Mexican chicken ranch simpered and mewled his way to a well deserved defeat. If he could not handle a catamite like Obama, what would he have done in the big leagues with Putin?

Backstabbing and undermining conservatives is all Willard is good for in his public record.

Don’t tell me what he -says- look at what he has done, and failed to do.

Tell me, who sounds more like the RINO in this exchange? The person pointing out Obama’s socialist vote-bribery, or the quick-to-break critics who simply cannot believe people vote for those who give them stuff?

You do realize these individuals are clearly indicating that they believe we should emulate the Democrat concept of “inclusion” AKA - amnesty, free birth control pills. Let me guess, you’re happy to back people who seem even more “flexible” in their core beliefs than Romney?

I won’t vote for another RINO chosen by Karl Rove. I will never vote for Jeb or his son. I’ll vote 3rd party or sit it out. If the Repubs won’t even do anything about the fraud, then what’s the point of supporting them. It’s pitiful. I would like to see a 3rd party starting up right now so we can have a strong candidate in 4 years. Why vote if the dems are going to hide ballots, mess with the machines and bribe people to vote. I won’t do it.

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