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I'm hearing more and more people talking about in the next election simply voting for anybody but the incumbent, and party affiliation be damned. That's our only real way to show these children we're disgusted with their (lack of) leadership.

Re: Government Shutdown

Originally Posted by Raveninwoodlawn

I think people are angry at everybody in the government right now.

This

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Re: Government Shutdown

In Texas, you're not forced into party affiliation to vote.

But if I were, I'd be damn happy I'm Libertarian right now.

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Re: Government Shutdown

Originally Posted by HoustonRaven

In Texas, you're not forced into party affiliation to vote.

But if I were, I'd be damn happy I'm Libertarian right now.

Me too.

In fact I read something recently talking about how the Republican Party isn't really a cohesive party anymore. It is now comprised of about 4 or 5 different groups of people that are kind of falling under the Republican umbrella if you well.

The Christian right, the tea party, and then moderate conservatives... I guess you could also consider some borderline libertarians like rand Paul in that group as well.

Re: Government Shutdown

They are, in a general "how did it get to this" kind of way, but that doesn't help try to fairly assign "blame" for the shutdown.

It also will not result in an overwhelming number of incumbents being ousted (like one would logically conclude from the numbers), indicating that the vast majority of the public is not really serious about politics.

That said, obviously both sides need a lot to be desired overall, but some of these fights are actually serious business (though not all of them).

CNN has no idea how many votes their are, none. They are basing their conclusion on the assumption every Democrat would vote for a "clean" CR (which isn't actually a given) combined with a certain number of Republicans who have made statements that hint that they are open to the idea (which are not even close to the same as delivering an actual vote, in fact, these days such statements are a way for politicians to have it both ways).

This is a Democratic party meme, and CNN and other MSM lemmings are simply spreading it.

That said, Republicans absolutely are closer to caving. They are more fractured, held together by the flimsiest of circumstances, and they are fighting each other for future power within the party.

The way this should end, is that Democrats agree to a popular-with-the-people concession, like removing the medical device tax or even allowing the Keystone pipeline, the Republicans accept the miniscule cost-free gesture, and both sides declare victory (the Republicans' declaration being the laughable one, of course).