According to the little I understand, Jewish thought determines that a Jew will always remain a Jew because his soul is inherently different from that of the gentile; it doesn't matter how the Jew perceives himself -- what counts is how he is conceived by God.

And herein comes into the play the idea of the "Chosen People": The Jews are supposedly a race selected to fulfill a very specific spirirtual role -- they collectively have a part to perform in the creation, a part that is reserved exclusively for them, wether or not they accept their divinely-assigned duties.

Buttom line: once a Jew, always a Jew.

You should know! Why can't you guys tell the truth? Why do you need to hide behind our names and our nations identities? Aren't yours good enough?

Once again, I am not a Jew. But obviously it makes things more simple for you to suppose that I am, so I'll play along.

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Originally Posted by Lord_Sidious

You should know! Why can't you guys tell the truth? Why do you need to hide behind our names and our nations identities? Aren't yours good enough?

We CAN tell the truth, and we often do. The Torah highly recommends it, you know.

Your second and third questions I will answer with a question (how typical, huh): Why do you need to hide behind your race and national identity? Isn't your own INDIVIDUAL identity good enough? Because whoever YOU are, YOU are not Leonardo Da Vinci and YOU did not invent the Morse code, or build Stonhenge.

That may be the official orthodox position, but by converting (I assume we are talking about converting away from Judaism), the converted Jew renounces this position. The orthodox rabbis tell him, "Your soul is still like ours," but the convert replies "No it isn't!"

I think what this guy means to ask is "I understand that you dislike Jews who identify as Jewish and with Jewish interests, but what about Jews who explicitly distance themselves from their religion and cultural group, and attempt to join mainstream American culture? Do you still dislike them, and if so, why?"

"Why" isn't a good question to ask people who HATE. Hate is incompatible with reason, however they may rationalize their doctrines.

Hate is absolutely compatible with reason. For example, I hate murderers. This is based on reason, because I reason correctly that murderers increase the probability that I and people I care about will die. I also hate people who spout irrational nonsense. This is based on reason because those who do not think for themselves will hear this irrational nonsense and treat it as true and make irrational decisions on the basis of it.

Once again, I am not a Jew. But obviously it makes things more simple for you to suppose that I am, so I'll play along.

We CAN tell the truth, and we often do. The Torah highly recommends it, you know.

Your second and third questions I will answer with a question (how typical, huh): Why do you need to hide behind your race and national identity? Isn't your own INDIVIDUAL identity good enough? Because whoever YOU are, YOU are not Leonardo Da Vinci and YOU did not invent the Morse code, or build Stonhenge.

If you are not a yid, then why are you a) using yid books, b)posting on subjects about yids only and c) using yid tactics? i.e. Answering a question with a question?
I put it to you that you are indeed a son of abraham and NOT a son of NORGE. What have the yids built that compares to Stonehenge, the work of Da Vinci or Morse? Nothing as you are a race of takers not givers. The only things that you "give" are things we need to avoid at all costs. Like usury.

I don't know what the verdict is on that one, but I think that they're their own group, different from White gentiles. Most of the Jews that I've known haven't really been that nice. They could change their religion, but it's hard to tell how much of their culture or their identity they'd lost along with it. Why are their Jews who refer to themselves as "Jewish athiests"? There are no "Christian athiests" or "Muslim athiests", but their are White athiests and Arabic athiests. That's my two cents.

So "Whites" who don't believe in White Nationalism are not Whites either? That will leave you with not many Whites left in this world.

Where do you get that conclusion? I never stated anything remotely close to that, I said that Whites who embrace Jewish religion and Jewish way of life is no different than a Jew, since they embrace the very way of life which seeks to undermine White racial preservation.

Now unless you think every White who doesn't believe in White Nationalism is a converted Jew, I don't see how you could come to such a dumbfounded conclusion.

"The difference between the Jewish soul, in all its independence, inner desires, longings, character and standing, and the soul of all the Gentiles, on all of their levels, is greater and deeper than the difference between the soul of a man and the soul of an animal, for the difference in the latter case is one of quantity, while the difference in the first case is one of essential quality."Between the Jews and the Gentiles -- In the Aggadah, the Kabbalah, and in Jewish Thought

MuadDib, is that the only Jewish quote you know? Because you seem to use it an awfull lot.

Yes, there are quite a few Jews who subscribe to this Hogwash--most of them are either Chareidim, Lubavidge or Chasidim. Those are also the types of Jews that you see in that one picture that you love to flaunt around, as well. Incidentally, those folks hate ME more than they will ever hate you, and consider me to be a heretic who has been forever cut off spiritually from the Jewish people. Furthermore, they hate me even more than (many of) you hate me (although I don't think either of the two groups should). YOU guys just want me to go away, THEY want me stoned to death and damned to hell (and they are, coincidentally, the only Jewish sects that believe in a hell).

But I digress, the fact of the matter is that most Jews, especially those in the United States, are not actually educated enough to know that this passage even exists! Furthermore, the three sources from which this passage comes are not considered central or even important to the Jewish belief system (despite what new-agers might tell you), so you'll find that most modern Orthodox, Conservative and Progressive/Reform scholars dismiss it entirely.