I hear this has the same rim depth as the Katana, so those that had a hard time gripping the Katana....don't get the disc. I did hear that it is better than the Katana and it has the stability and flight characteristics between a Boss and Katana.

The p line is great if you ask me, its almost a happy medium between star and pro. It is grippy too.

As far as the Katana rim comparrison, I could not be happier. I am one of the guys who cannot grip a Katana well and thus could not throw it well yet I can bomb a Nuke. BUT I can grip and rip the Frenzy far and fast. It is different then the Katana rim slightly enough to make its grip better. It bombs straight into a tailwind, flexes but COMES BACK in a crosswind, and stands up in a headwind. Mine is a 175 p line and its great. It is the fastest disc I have thrown which include, groove, katana, boss, halo, nuke.