hope it would come true. I notice in another weather board, they are talking a milder weather for this up coming winter. With above avg temps in Dec, Jan, and colder in Feb. Am not making a winter forecast this year. Am at 50% on making them, so I will stay at 50%. Am just hoping we don't get lock in on day after day with rain, and then clear up and be mild this winter season. What a drag that would be.

JAMSTEC has been kind of locked on this for some time now. Ever since back in the early spring. If the warm waters stay up out on the west coast like last year, this will set up another strong high pressure Ridge all the way up in AK. And drive the jet down in the east and south like last year. Of course other factors are to be considered.

Just wanted to give other looks for winter to think about. Didn't want to start a new post. But since we are in a strong El Nino here is another take on winters with strong El Nino's.http://www.srh.noaa.gov/mrx/?n=elnino

This is just me. But I think the NWS has one of the most generic winter outlook maps there is. Don't need to go to school for that. I say call it. If you miss, you miss. That just my 2 cent worth. I know they do this for all seasons but they need to upgrade the way they put there long range maps out. We know what A means, we know what B means, but EC, it really mean either, I don't know, or flip a coin. Thanks for listening.

Just wondering if anyone is going to make a winter forecast this winter season.? Would like to see some of you make one and gives us your thinking on the reason. It for fun, as you know, no one can really get it right all the time. ..