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If you read the press releases, it was independently validated several times, and several contracts were signed, 8 or 9 years ago.

There have been working prototypes at various power levels for decades according to numerous news reports and articles.

Yet here we are in 2017 with not even a steam and turbine setup.

And in addition nobody involved (which got their "evidence" of Hydrino) bother researching more of the stuff, publish paper, because, you know, they don't want to disturb BLP , in spite of this being an incredible potential carrier advancement.

Geee. I can't believe anybody can swallow this. There has to be limit to gullibility, right ? RIGHT ?

Hydrino can be detected in the cosmos. You just have to know what to look for.
Why, it's formation could even be the cause of much of the diffuse cosmic background x-ray radiation observed.

can you give a little more specific references?

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Of course the 21 cm line comes mostly from hydrogen clouds! The problem is that these clouds are over all the sky, making them essentially a diffuse phenomena.

Stating more ignorance does not make a good argument, markie. Astronomers map those hydrogen clouds using the 21 cm line. There is enough variation in the intensity to map out enormous hydrogen clouds winding around the visible parts of other galaxies. That is not your implication of a useless or undetectable "diffuse phenomena".

The mere fact that the 21 cm line is detected means that the spectral lines from your imaginary hydrinos would also be detected. Thus your Hydrino can be detected in the cosmos is a lie.

Nope still doesn't make sense. I know what population inversion is, but what is "spectrum population inversion"? You seem like a child overhearing the grown-ups and apeing them.

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How do you know the lines are not observed? They could comprise much of the em noise of the cosmos.

What is this EM noise of which you speak? And I thought that you were claiming transition lines from fractional state transitions, not broad spectrum radiation.

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And, by your reasoning, we should be able to locate neutral hydrogen clouds by the 21 cm line it emits. This isn't the case. Rather, the 21 cm line is fairly uniform in distribution. (That said, we can use the doppler shifting of the line to help deduce motion of the Milky Way's arms.)

Utter rubbish. The 21cm line is used to plot the distribution and density of molecular hydrogen around visible galaxies. Where are you getting this nonsense from?

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Proper stimulation is key, and unlikely to be found in the cosmic environment.

Of course - how convenient! So not only are these transitions the cause of some unspecified very broadband electromagnetic noise in the cosmos according to you, but they can only stimulated in the lab and not in the cosmos, according to you. Markie, thy name is Inconsistency. The hole you have dug is now about 15 feet deep and I don't know how you're ever going to crawl out of it.

But anyway, perhaps you could tell us what the proper stimulation is, so that we can check that it really isn't present in the cosmos, and so we can also check that it is possible to pump the population inversion in the fractional state laser that Mills is claiming? I'm sure when you explain how you have to stimulate these transitions, it will all become clear.

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It's not really a matter of detection, it's a matter of interpreting what we have already detected as the cosmos' diffuse electromagnetic background.

You don't think that almost every part of the diffuse background has already been explained? But as a reminder, these hydrino ro-vibrational transitions are spectral lines not broad spectrum background.

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Potential investors are hardly looking at forums like this to make investment decisions. Not when there are real experiments and real validations done by real scientists to consider.

But there aren't real scientists doing real experiments and real validations, are there? Just Mills and his shills.

Markie, regarding the issue of dark matter, look up the Bullet Cluster, two colliding clusters of galaxies (particularly here and here). The clouds of baryonic matter a merging with each other, but the clouds of dark matter are passing through each other. This means that the dark matter isn't electromagnetically interacting with either itself or with baryonic matter, because if it did then the particles of dark matter would collide with each other and with the baryonic matter, causing the clouds of dark matter to merge. Thus, for hydrinos to be dark matter, they'd have to completely stop electromagnetic interaction, rather than just have no electron shell transitions.

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Here's another inconsistency. Markie claims that the ro-vibrational transitions are the cause of the cosmic electromagnetic background. (They can't be for reasons we have already explored ad nauseam). But he also claims that hydrinos constitute Dark Matter. But Dark Matter is not uniformly distributed throughout the cosmos.The background is. Hmm.

The Power of the SunCell®
Cranbury-based company develops a “new” source of energy.
Sep 5, 2016
By: Anthony Bucci, Assistant Editor
[Here is an excerpt from the article]

For more than 20 years, Harvard Medical School graduate Dr. Randell Mills has been exploring the latent energy of the hydrogen atom to serve as a primary energy source. His company, Cranbury-based Brilliant Light Power (BrLP), has “discovered a new power source” by continuously generating over a million watts of power from the conversion of water fuel to a new form of hydrogen.

“Our goal is to create a series of devices on a 100kW to 200kW scale, go completely off the power grid and be autonomous of other fuels, while mitigating any interruption of services, in order to provide cheap power with no pollution,” Mills says. “It took an enormous amount of work, $100 million and two decades, but we have found something that can replace fire, coal, gas, oil, nuclear, solar, wind, bio fuels and more.”

Mills says that his company faced vast scrutiny throughout the scientific community. However, its power source was recently validated by five leading industry and academic professionals after a demonstration of the power gains and power density of the company’s technology.https://njbmagazine.com/monthly_arti...f-the-suncell/

October 5, 2016
IBEW President Congratulates New NEI HeadThe International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW) represents approximately 725,000 members who work in a wide variety of fields, including construction, utilities, manufacturing, telecommunications, broadcasting, railroads and government.

[. . .]

“Nuclear power continues to play a vital role in providing a stable, non-polluting energy source and the Nuclear Energy Institute has been an integral force bringing together industry, labor and lawmakers to keep nuclear a secure part of our energy portfolio.

[. . .]

The International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers[/b] (IBEW) represents approximately 725,000 members who work in a wide variety of fields, including construction, utilities, manufacturing, telecommunications, broadcasting, railroads and government.
###http://www.ibew.org/media-center/Art..._IBEWPresident

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Originally Posted by markie View Post
Hydrino can be detected in the cosmos. You just have to know what to look for.
Why, it's formation could even be the cause of much of the diffuse cosmic background x-ray radiation observed.

Originally Posted by Dancing David

can you give a little more specific references?

Not going to look up references, but it is well known that the x-rays coming from discrete sources such as stars and the like cannot account for the amount of X-rays bombarding us. Thus, there is a relatively anomalous x-ray background.

Stating more ignorance does not make a good argument, markie. Astronomers map those hydrogen clouds using the 21 cm line. There is enough variation in the intensity to map out enormous hydrogen clouds winding around the visible parts of other galaxies. That is not your implication of a useless or undetectable "diffuse phenomena".

The mere fact that the 21 cm line is detected means that the spectral lines from your imaginary hydrinos would also be detected. Thus your Hydrino can be detected in the cosmos is a lie.

Yes there is just enough variation in intensity of the 21 cm line, coupled with doppler shifts, to sort out the spiral arms and relative motions within our Milky Way. No easy task mind you. I'm skeptical of your claim that it would apply to other galaxies, except really close ones like Andromeda.

I'm surprised that you treat the 21cm line like any other line. The 21 cm line goes through cosmic gas and dust no problem. Much of the shorter lines do not ; they get blocked and scattered and diffused.

Nope still doesn't make sense. I know what population inversion is, but what is "spectrum population inversion"? You seem like a child overhearing the grown-ups and apeing them.

Listen. Take the Lymann or Balmer series of spectral lines. Under given conditions they will be expected to have certain intensities. For instance for Balmer lines, the 3 to 2 transition will have a certain intensity, and the 5 to 2 transition will have a certain intensity. These intensities represent the numbers, the population, of the corresponding excited states. When hydrino reactions occur, these expected populations change, such that low intensity lines become high intensity, and visa versa. Spectrum population inversion, or whatever you want to call it.

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What is this EM noise of which you speak? And I thought that you were claiming transition lines from fractional state transitions, not broad spectrum radiation.

Generally diffuse, weak, EM radiation that has no discernible source. That's what I mean by noise in this case.

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Utter rubbish. The 21cm line is used to plot the distribution and density of molecular hydrogen around visible galaxies. Where are you getting this nonsense from?

I assume you mean monotomic, neutral hydrogen, not molecular hydrogen, which does not have such a line and is very difficult to detect. Variations in the intensity of the 21cm line in certain directions of the sky can give us a sense of large gas structures in our local galaxy, but it is not so easy as you seem to want to make it.

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But anyway, perhaps you could tell us what the proper stimulation is, so that we can check that it really isn't present in the cosmos, and so we can also check that it is possible to pump the population inversion in the fractional state laser that Mills is claiming? I'm sure when you explain how you have to stimulate these transitions, it will all become clear.

I would have to take a closer look at the patent to get specific details. Or you could.

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You don't think that almost every part of the diffuse background has already been explained? But as a reminder, these hydrino ro-vibrational transitions are spectral lines not broad spectrum background.

Correct, I don't think that the diffuse cosmic em background has been all neatly and tidily accounted for.

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But there aren't real scientists doing real experiments and real validations, are there? Just Mills and his shills.

Calling other scientists who have validated Mill's work 'shills' and not 'real' scientists is beyond the pale. Tsk.

Markie, regarding the issue of dark matter, look up the Bullet Cluster, two colliding clusters of galaxies (particularly here and here). The clouds of baryonic matter a merging with each other, but the clouds of dark matter are passing through each other. This means that the dark matter isn't electromagnetically interacting with either itself or with baryonic matter, because if it did then the particles of dark matter would collide with each other and with the baryonic matter, causing the clouds of dark matter to merge. Thus, for hydrinos to be dark matter, they'd have to completely stop electromagnetic interaction, rather than just have no electron shell transitions.

Fair points. (The Bullet Cluster was looked at previously in this thread.)
Long story short: most of the mass of the two galaxy clusters avoided collision.
I wouldn't conclude from this that dark matter cannot collide with itself or with normal baryonic matter, but it does seem to be constrained.

Other scenarios like dark matter distribution in nearby satellite dwarf galaxies hints that dark matter could well have interaction with itself and with baryonic matter. If I recall correctly it has to do with the so called 'cusp' problem ; the dark matter is not nearly as concentrated at the centre as predicted, and has a more flattened distribution.

Here's another inconsistency. Markie claims that the ro-vibrational transitions are the cause of the cosmic electromagnetic background. (They can't be for reasons we have already explored ad nauseam). But he also claims that hydrinos constitute Dark Matter. But Dark Matter is not uniformly distributed throughout the cosmos.The background is. Hmm.

The cosmic web, including dark matter, can be considered isotropic and would result in a (more or less) uniform background glow.

The Power of the SunCell®
Cranbury-based company develops a “new” source of energy.
Sep 5, 2016
By: Anthony Bucci, Assistant Editor
[Here is an excerpt from the article]

For more than 20 years, Harvard Medical School graduate Dr. Randell Mills has been exploring the latent energy of the hydrogen atom to serve as a primary energy source. His company, Cranbury-based Brilliant Light Power (BrLP), has “discovered a new power source” by continuously generating over a million watts of power from the conversion of water fuel to a new form of hydrogen.

“Our goal is to create a series of devices on a 100kW to 200kW scale, go completely off the power grid and be autonomous of other fuels, while mitigating any interruption of services, in order to provide cheap power with no pollution,” Mills says. “It took an enormous amount of work, $100 million and two decades, but we have found something that can replace fire, coal, gas, oil, nuclear, solar, wind, bio fuels and more.”

Mills says that his company faced vast scrutiny throughout the scientific community. However, its power source was recently validated by five leading industry and academic professionals after a demonstration of the power gains and power density of the company’s technology.https://njbmagazine.com/monthly_arti...f-the-suncell/

October 5, 2016
IBEW President Congratulates New NEI HeadThe International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (IBEW) represents approximately 725,000 members who work in a wide variety of fields, including construction, utilities, manufacturing, telecommunications, broadcasting, railroads and government.

[. . .]

“Nuclear power continues to play a vital role in providing a stable, non-polluting energy source and the Nuclear Energy Institute has been an integral force bringing together industry, labor and lawmakers to keep nuclear a secure part of our energy portfolio.

[. . .]

The International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers[/b] (IBEW) represents approximately 725,000 members who work in a wide variety of fields, including construction, utilities, manufacturing, telecommunications, broadcasting, railroads and government.
###http://www.ibew.org/media-center/Art..._IBEWPresident

I'll stick with the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers!!!

I'm sure the IBEW will be quite excited about the SunCell. Nuclear is good in that it emits no CO2, but its start up, decommissioning, and (I suppose) insurance costs are so high the government has to heavily subsidize. Probably more so than even wind and solar. At least with the SunCell there would be no such need, although the government may well subsidize it anyway.

Folks remember we are discussing someone who has apparently made quite a career out of promising to have commercial power generators just 6 months or 18 months away for going on 30 years.

In regards to the dark matter etc. It is easy to spot the change of the con via just the material Mills hasn't been able to destroy when he "reinvents" his generator for a fresh lot of investors. It is quite apparent he uses whatever is currently "sexy" in the world of physics. One would assume the next lot of funding will drop the dark matter silliness and make mention of things like gravity waves and the EM drive.

All the while still trying to engineer out that pesky "ignition" energy...

Generally diffuse, weak, EM radiation that has no discernible source. That's what I mean by noise in this case.

A bit like the cosmic microwave background radiation eh?

Why make up your own, idiosyncratic, term when there's a perfectly good one already available?

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I assume you mean monotomic, neutral hydrogen, not molecular hydrogen, which does not have such a line and is very difficult to detect. Variations in the intensity of the 21cm line in certain directions of the sky can give us a sense of large gas structures in our local galaxy, but it is not so easy as you seem to want to make it.

Translation: this radio astronomy stuff is harder than markie imagined it would be?

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Correct, I don't think that the diffuse cosmic em background has been all neatly and tidily accounted for.

Fortunately, astronomers don't much care for what you think about their work; in fact, I'd say almost all (99.9+%) are completely unaware of your opinions.

Would you care to actually read some of the papers they've written on the "diffuse cosmic em background"? When you do, please let us know what they have to say ...

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Calling other scientists who have validated Mill's work 'shills' and not 'real' scientists is beyond the pale. Tsk.

Oh? Such scientists exist?

Silly me, here was I thinking that no scientist had "validated Mill's [sic] work". At least, none that weren't paid handsomely, by Mills, for such, um, work.

Yes there is just enough variation in intensity of the 21 cm line, coupled with doppler shifts, to sort out the spiral arms and relative motions within our Milky Way. No easy task mind you. I'm skeptical of your claim that it would apply to other galaxies, except really close ones like Andromeda.

We introduce the GALEX Arecibo SDSS Survey (GASS), an on-going large programme that is gathering high quality HI-line spectra using the Arecibo radio telescope for an unbiased sample of ~1000 galaxies with stellar masses greater than 1010Msolar and redshifts 0.025 < z < 0.05, selected from the Sloan Digital Sky Survey (SDSS) spectroscopic and Galaxy Evolution Explorer (GALEX) imaging surveys. The galaxies are observed until detected or until a low gas mass fraction limit (1.5-5 per cent) is reached. This paper presents the first Data Release, consisting of ~20 per cent of the final GASS sample. We use this data set to explore the main scaling relations of the HI gas fraction with galaxy structure and NUV- r colour. A large fraction (~60 per cent) of the galaxies in our sample are detected in HI. Even at stellar masses above 1011Msolar, the detected fraction does not fall below ~40 per cent. We find that the atomic gas fraction MHI/M* decreases strongly with stellar mass, stellar surface mass density and NUV- r colour, but is only weakly correlated with the galaxy bulge-to-disc ratio (as measured by the concentration index of the r-band light). We also find that the fraction of galaxies with significant (more than a few per cent) HI decreases sharply above a characteristic stellar surface mass density of 108.5Msolarkpc-2. The fraction of gas-rich galaxies decreases much more smoothly with stellar mass. One of the key goals of GASS is to identify and quantify the incidence of galaxies that are transitioning between the blue, star-forming cloud and the red sequence of passively evolving galaxies. Likely transition candidates can be identified as outliers from the mean scaling relations between MHI/M* and other galaxy properties. We have fitted a plane to the two-dimensional relation between the HI mass fraction, stellar surface mass density and NUV- r colour. Interesting outliers from this plane include gas-rich red sequence galaxies that may be in the process of regrowing their discs, as well as blue, but gas-poor spirals.

From the incredibly short search I did, I'd say the number of papers reporting 21 cm (1.4 GHz) observations of galaxies other than our own or M31 number at least ten times those BH lists as providing scientific evidence of the existence of hydrinos etc.

Other readers already know about this, and I'd be a bit surprised if it were totally new to you, but why not read up on the SKAWP? Pay particular attention to the "epoch of re-ionization" ...

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I'm surprised that you treat the 21cm line like any other line. The 21 cm line goes through cosmic gas and dust no problem. Much of the shorter lines do not ; they get blocked and scattered and diffused.

Where are you learning your radio astronomy, may I ask? Is ms giving you private lessons perhaps?

What's so magic about 21cm? How about 5 GHz, does it get blocked, scattered, and diffused too?

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Is that you Markie? Or another mark?

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You're beginning to find them funny, glad to hear. Good for the health. But in the long term that particular press release will be regarded by posterity not as funny but as historic.

Yes, historically funny.

I don't expect to ever see a working device from Mills.

I haven't seen one in public yet, and I think it's a safe bet that I never will.

How long will you wait for Mills to run a house/factory on hydrinos?

What is the electric bill at his NJ laboratory?
It should be near zero, right?
He has had working devices for decades, right?
Those are his own claims about working devices, not mine.
Shirley by now he is at least running his own buildings off grid?
At least one building or house?
No?

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Listen. Take the Lymann or Balmer series of spectral lines. Under given conditions they will be expected to have certain intensities. For instance for Balmer lines, the 3 to 2 transition will have a certain intensity, and the 5 to 2 transition will have a certain intensity. These intensities represent the numbers, the population, of the corresponding excited states. When hydrino reactions occur, these expected populations change, such that low intensity lines become high intensity, and visa versa. Spectrum population inversion, or whatever you want to call it.

First of all, note the hilite. What are those given conditions?: well, for example, density, state of ionisation, state of excitation, energy and intensity of excitation and so on. If you're exciting more atoms into n=5 then of course the 5 to 2 transition will be more intense than otherwise. So how is this a signature for hydrino production rather than the entirely expected consequence of vaporising your apparatus?

Secondly, this shift in line intensities is not a population inversion. A population inversion occurs when the majority of atoms or molecules are pumped into a higher meta-stable state.

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Generally diffuse, weak, EM radiation that has no discernible source. That's what I mean by noise in this case.

If there is uniform electromagnetic radiation coming from every direction then that is not noise - that is signal. As for the source of this radiation, well it's pretty much understood in every wavelength, with the possible exception of hard X-rays, although most of that has been accounted for by resolved AGNs.

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I assume you mean monotomic, neutral hydrogen, not molecular hydrogen, which does not have such a line and is very difficult to detect.

Yes brain fart on my part.

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Variations in the intensity of the 21cm line in certain directions of the sky can give us a sense of large gas structures in our local galaxy, but it is not so easy as you seem to want to make it.

I didn't say it was easy, but I did say and I maintain that 21cm astronomy is being used to explore atomic hydrogen clouds associated with galaxies. A quick search shows this as long ago as 1963:
R. D. Davies, H. M. Tovmassian; Neutral Hydrogen in Galactic Star Clusters: I. A Search for Neutral and Ionized Hydrogen in Five Galactic Clusters. Mon Not R Astron Soc 1963; 127 (1): 45-59. doi: 10.1093/mnras/127.1.45

And this dissertation from 2007: Zschaechner, Laura Kristina, Observations and kinematic modeling of neutral hydrogen in spiral galaxies: Implications for disk-halo flows and accretion

In fact, there are dozens and dozens of papers over nearly 50 years doing 21cm astronomy on extra-Milky Way galaxies. And then there is all the work using 21cm for cosmological studies of the epoch of reionisation. But whether or not 21cm astronomy is done outside the Milky Way is not the main point. The main pointis that this transition is highly forbidden and very weak, and yet it is widely recognised and used in astronomy. According to you there is about 6 times as much fractional state hydrogen in the Universe as there is "ordinary" hydrogen and yet we don't see a single one of its characteristic transitions. Why?

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I would have to take a closer look at the patent to get specific details.

Please do. It's your claim. What we want to know are these specfic conditions or excitations that don't occur in nature but which you can use in the lab to excite ro-vibrational states of fractional hydrogen to such an extent that they lase. Very special conditions according to you. So what are they?

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Correct, I don't think that the diffuse cosmic em background has been all neatly and tidily accounted for.

Well apart from some portion of the hard X-ray background could you be more specific? What is there in the visible cosmic background, that hasn't been accounted for, for example?

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Calling other scientists who have validated Mill's work 'shills' and not 'real' scientists is beyond the pale. Tsk.

But the point is no-one has independently validated Mills work. No-one. Then there are Mills' shills.

...because based solely on the demonstrated lack of producing anything over 25+ years except wild claims, the 'SunCell' will never come into production which of course will never produce any pollution - a win for the environment given us by Mills' and his merry band of 'never-producing-anything-but-hot-air' group of scammers.

Yes there is just enough variation in intensity of the 21 cm line, coupled with doppler shifts, to sort out the spiral arms and relative motions within our Milky Way. No easy task mind you. I'm skeptical of your claim that it would apply to other galaxies, except really close ones like Andromeda.

Now you've been shown that you're wrong, perhaps you can explain how we see a highly forbidden line with a lifetime of sebveral million yaers and we don't see hydrino lines, which can be found throughout the spectrum, allegedly.

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I'm surprised that you treat the 21cm line like any other line. The 21 cm line goes through cosmic gas and dust no problem. Much of the shorter lines do not ; they get blocked and scattered and diffused.

So, in your universe, when we look to the sky, all is dark at all wavelengths, except for a narrow window at 21cm. By your reckoning, we wouldn't be able to do astronomy at all. We wouldn't be able to see stars and galaxies, and spectroscopic studies would be right out. What a strange universe you live in.

I haven't seen one in public yet, and I think it's a safe bet that I never will.

How long will you wait for Mills to run a house/factory on hydrinos?

What is the electric bill at his NJ laboratory?
It should be near zero, right?
He has had working devices for decades, right?
Those are his own claims about working devices, not mine.
Shirley by now he is at least running his own buildings off grid?
At least one building or house?
No?

That's a good point is he in fact running his own operation off the grid? Are electrical bills private information or can they be obtained by the public?