be aware it has been found overtime temps keep increasing and eventually become a continuios issue due to the TIM to die and Intels mess up on the IHS contact pressure between the die and IHS this causes issues later after the crap TIM Intel uses breaks down and turns hard and dries out which causes temps to sky rocket no matter what you do outside of deliding the CPU. This was an issue Intel had the bright idea not to resolve / fix even though past 2 generations Ivy and sandy had same issue and given haswell actualy puts out more heat and runs hotter than Ivy / Sandy this becomes a major issue and will drastically hurt stability / performance and in end life of the CPU.

Ivy started this issue. Not Sandy. And the way you're relaying this information is borderline bashing. One example is the TIM intel used has been proven to be good but you call it crap.Another is in your previous post you talk about yield limitations with haswell which there are none. I am not disagreeing with you that Intel sucks for not fixing the gap issue and there is no excuse for it.

As far as delidding the hammer and vice method is very safe and IMO don't even buy the k version unless you plan on deliddeing. I know in your opinion you wouldn't risk it but your opinion also led you to not buy intel either way.

actually i pointed out it was the TIM to die to IHS contact pressure not just a TIM issue but because of improper contact pressure overtime it fries the TIM and dries it out making it work crappy if there was proper contact pressure between the die and IHS the TIM wouldnt do this so prematurely take an ivy that has been run hot for a longtime that has the improper contact issue and you will find the TIM is dried out and literally burnt making it work like crappy TIM so my previous statement was not false nor was it bashing it was just pointing out facts.

also once the TIM dries out temperatures become way more hotter and will continually increase as the TIM dries out more faster and faster and fails completely making temps a constant issue how is that false or bashing it also then will affect CPU stability and life of the chip in the end due to high heat issues.

To sum it up alot perform like they should and alot dont this meens there is a yield issue how can you say it doesn't even at stock settings people are having issues with alot of retail haswells do a google search the web is ripe with examples of these issues so for you to say they don't exist or are so few is like saying the ford pinto didn't have a dangerous risk of exploding when hit in the rear.

I am sorry for you to attack my examples and my explanation of the issues like they are not worth advising people looking at haswell as an upgrade people always should be informed of issues they have for example heat issues / lack of overclocking ability on most and the issue with the IHS to die causing the Intel OEM TIM to breakdown / dry out early and causing future temperature issues that can cause stability and hamper the chips life is a serious issue that people would like to know before they walk that path.

I also want to state the issue of having the VRM's now added into the Haswell CPU adds alot more heat to deal with than IVY or Sandy had on the chip add the IHS to die contact isue and TIM breakdown you get alot more heat issue later on added to the issue.

I simply am not pushing AMD on anyone but would advise IVY or sandy over haswell as of now maybe after they do a revision of the current haswell i would advise haswell as a good path to go but on average haswell only has a 3%-7% performance increase over IVY and once you overclock the IVY can get more performance than the haswell with less heat and cheaper period facts are the general users found results for haswell is in general most barely overclock any if at all a select few overclock decently and even fewer overclock well IVY and sandy in general seems to overclock pretty well.Edited by rickcooperjr - 7/9/13 at 9:31pm