Hi all,
In response to the recent retro bolting and subsequent bolt chopping at Point Perpendicular I thought it might be helpful to write a set of bolting guidelines for Point Perp. The majority of these guidelines are an extract from Bob McMillan’s previous guidebook. They are posted at pointperp.com.

There have been a number of new routes put up at Point Perp since the guide book has come out. New routes seem to be going up on a weekly basis so for up to date information visit thecrag.com

Yeah, this was the only thing which stood out to me in an otherwise entirely reasonable document. Having kicked the living shit out a number of abseil carrots with bare feet at perp over the years, I'd much rather trip over a recessed ring than a carrot.

On 26/04/2013 hotgemini wrote:>Yeah, this was the only thing which stood out to me in an otherwise entirely>reasonable document. Having kicked the living shit out a number of abseil>carrots with bare feet at perp over the years, I'd much rather trip over>a recessed ring than a carrot. >>Other than that, an entirely reasonable document in my opinion.

Theoretically a carrot could be lower profile than a recessed ring since all you have to get through it is a hanger, course in bare feet carrots are more painful to stumble over (though at least that way you might be able to find them...) However in terms of visual pollution the carrots were fantastic it took us ages to find some of them and we had the guide book giving us the approximate location, where as the one ring bolt we saw used for belays stuck out like the proverbial.

PS I thought the guide book was fantastic, I did find it a little disconcerting though to find the same person (Mikl) providing the review and quoted in the testimonials on the link provided. For those of us who know who Mike is that's fine, however to someone who doesn't it'd seem strange.

On 26/04/2013 pecheur wrote:>PS I thought the guide book was fantastic, I did find it a little disconcerting>though to find the same person (Mikl) providing the review and quoted in>the testimonials on the link provided. For those of us who know who Mike>is that's fine, however to someone who doesn't it'd seem strange.

The "testimonials" are quotes taken from this forum. And the review was from Rock magazine. I don't see the problem?

On 26/04/2013 nmonteith wrote:>On 26/04/2013 pecheur wrote:>>PS I thought the guide book was fantastic, I did find it a little disconcerting>>though to find the same person (Mikl) providing the review and quoted>in>>the testimonials on the link provided. For those of us who know who>Mike>>is that's fine, however to someone who doesn't it'd seem strange.>>The "testimonials" are quotes taken from this forum. And the review was>from Rock magazine. I don't see the problem?

Quoting the same person from various sources is generally not seen to add to the validity of a statement, well unless both sources are peer reviewed? It's a perceived credibility thing.

"Neil's a tyrant". Macca on Chockstone.
"Neil's a tyrant". Macca on Facebook.
"Neil's a tyrant". Macca on whatever SRC's site is.

Or even worse

"Neil's a tyrant". Macca on the General Forum
"Neil's a tyrant". Macca on the Crag & Route Beta Forum
"Neil's a tyrant". Macca on the Trip Report Forum

On 26/04/2013 pecheur wrote:>I did find it a little disconcerting though to find the same person (Mikl) providing the review and quoted in the testimonials on the link provided. For those of us who know who Mike is that's fine, however to someone who doesn't it'd seem strange.

Mikl’s Rock Review.
Even the location of the super discreet carrot anchors are laid out in the topos (they are pretty invisible, sometimes you 'd give up and belay on bushes then notice you were sitting on the carrot belay).

+1 regarding carrots are more discreet than rings, plus they are more in keeping with the request (at link provided) by Robert to respect the history/ethic/original ascents of the area.

On 26/04/2013 pecheur wrote:>On 26/04/2013 nmonteith wrote:>>On 26/04/2013 pecheur wrote:>>>PS I thought the guide book was fantastic, I did find it a little disconcerting>>>though to find the same person (Mikl) providing the review and quoted>>in>>>the testimonials on the link provided. For those of us who know who>>Mike>>>is that's fine, however to someone who doesn't it'd seem strange.>>>>The "testimonials" are quotes taken from this forum. And the review was>>from Rock magazine. I don't see the problem?>>Quoting the same person from various sources is generally not seen to>add to the validity of a statement, well unless both sources are peer reviewed?> It's a perceived credibility thing.>>"Neil's a tyrant". Macca on Chockstone.>"Neil's a tyrant". Macca on Facebook.>"Neil's a tyrant". Macca on whatever SRC's site is.>>Or even worse>>"Neil's a tyrant". Macca on the General Forum>"Neil's a tyrant". Macca on the Crag & Route Beta Forum>"Neil's a tyrant". Macca on the Trip Report Forum>>Doesn't make the statements any more or less true.
I think you'll find it's "Niel"

On 26/04/2013 maxdacat wrote:>On 26/04/2013 hotgemini wrote:>>. Having kicked the living shit out a number of abseil>>carrots with bare feet at perp over the years, I'd much rather trip over>>a recessed ring than a carrot. >>>>If you're kicking the "living shit" out of bolts with bare feet on a cliff>edge you might have more to worry about than a stubbed toe :p
I've got a visual image of someone dangling by their toe stuck through a ringbolt above the ocean...