Post by nathan on Nov 25, 2017 10:22:29 GMT -5

Hey that's a fessin' song! Looks like some worldly church went and ripped this tune right out of Hymns Olde and New. How dare they?!

The workers include many of hymns from the worldly churches in the 2x2 hymn books because they want the visitors from other churches to their meetings feel at ease to know they are NOT attending a cult, when they recognize and sing these similar hymns such as Tell me the Story of Jesus, alone with God, and many others hymns we have.

Many of the early workers came out from the worldly churches, and they like these wonderful hymns so much, that they decided to put many of those hymns in our hymns books.

Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2017 12:58:45 GMT -5

Hey that's a fessin' song! Looks like some worldly church went and ripped this tune right out of Hymns Olde and New. How dare they?!

Well you cant keep a good thing down or under cover for ever, that is a beautiful and inspiring hymn. It deserves to be sung every where and in every church gathering. Alone He trod is another good one.

Post by BobWilliston on Nov 25, 2017 17:07:49 GMT -5

Hey that's a fessin' song! Looks like some worldly church went and ripped this tune right out of Hymns Olde and New. How dare they?!

The workers include many of hymns from the worldly churches in the 2x2 hymn books because they want the visitors from other churches to their meetings feel at ease to know they are NOT attending a cult, when they recognize and sing these similar hymns such as Tell me the Story of Jesus, alone with God, and many others hymns we have.

Many of the early workers came out from the worldly churches, and they like these wonderful hymns so much, that they decided to put many of those hymns in our hymns books.

Post by nathan on Nov 25, 2017 22:50:22 GMT -5

The workers include many of hymns from the worldly churches in the 2x2 hymn books because they want the visitors from other churches to their meetings feel at ease to know they are NOT attending a cult, when they recognize and sing these similar hymns such as Tell me the Story of Jesus, alone with God, and many others hymns we have.

Many of the early workers came out from the worldly churches, and they like these wonderful hymns so much, that they decided to put many of those hymns in our hymns books.

Post by dmmichgood on Nov 26, 2017 0:35:12 GMT -5

Hey that's a fessin' song! Looks like some worldly church went and ripped this tune right out of Hymns Olde and New. How dare they?!

The workers include many of hymns from the worldly churches in the 2x2 hymn books because they want the visitors from other churches to their meetings feel at ease to know they are NOT attending a cult, when they recognize and sing these similar hymns such as Tell me the Story of Jesus, alone with God, and many others hymns we have.

Many of the early workers came out from the worldly churches, and they like these wonderful hymns so much, that they decided to put many of those hymns in our hymns books.

Nathan, If you are going to speculate as to why those hymns are in "our" hymn book, isn't more likely that main reason is because in the beginning the early workers hadn't written any of their own hymns yet and so they took them from the "worldly" churches? Jason, you can go to Telling The Truth site and find just how many there were from outside sources.www.tellingthetruth.info/hymns/hymn1951.php#ByOutsiders

Post by nathan on Nov 26, 2017 1:12:29 GMT -5

The workers include many of hymns from the worldly churches in the 2x2 hymn books because they want the visitors from other churches to their meetings feel at ease to know they are NOT attending a cult, when they recognize and sing these similar hymns such as Tell me the Story of Jesus, alone with God, and many others hymns we have.

Many of the early workers came out from the worldly churches, and they like these wonderful hymns so much, that they decided to put many of those hymns in our hymns books.

Nathan, If you are going to speculate as to why those hymns are in "our" hymn book, isn't more likely that main reason is because in the beginning the early workers hadn't written any of their own hymns yet and so they took them from the "worldly" churches? Jason, you can go to Telling The Truth site and find just how many there were from outside sources.www.tellingthetruth.info/hymns/hymn1951.php#ByOutsiders

I don't speculate I have a list of most of the hymns which hymns are written by the workers and which ones are NOT the non-2x2 hymns authors... So, many of us know for years, we know which hymns are written by the workers and which ones are NOT. That list has been circulating among the friends for years before the telling the truth posted on their website.

Why do you think the workers put the non-2x2 hymns in our hymn books for years? Like Tell me the Story of Jesus, Was it for me? and so on... what were their reasons?

Post by BobWilliston on Nov 26, 2017 1:20:31 GMT -5

Nathan, If you are going to speculate as to why those hymns are in "our" hymn book, isn't more likely that main reason is because in the beginning the early workers hadn't written any of their own hymns yet and so they took them from the "worldly" churches? Jason, you can go to Telling The Truth site and find just how many there were from outside sources.www.tellingthetruth.info/hymns/hymn1951.php#ByOutsiders

I don't speculate I have a list of most of the hymns which hymns are written by the workers and which ones are NOT the non-2x2 hymns authors... So, many of us know for years, we know which hymns are written by the workers and which ones are NOT. That list has been circulating among the friends for years before the telling the truth posted on their website.

Why do you think the workers put the non-2x2 hymns in our hymn books for years? Like Tell me the Story of Jesus, Was it for me? and so on... what were their reasons?

I have the list too. But that list doesn't say one thing about WHY the workers selected those hymns.

Beyond assuming that they were chosen for their doctrinal appropriateness, allthe rest of your reasons are just speculations. I understand you weren't atthe meeting where the workers discussed and selected the hymns.

Post by nathan on Nov 26, 2017 1:38:05 GMT -5

I don't speculate I have a list of most of the hymns which hymns are written by the workers and which ones are NOT the non-2x2 hymns authors... So, many of us know for years, we know which hymns are written by the workers and which ones are NOT. That list has been circulating among the friends for years before the telling the truth posted on their website.

Why do you think the workers put the non-2x2 hymns in our hymn books for years? Like Tell me the Story of Jesus, Was it for me? and so on... what were their reasons?

I have the list too. But that list doesn't say one thing about WHY the workers selected those hymns.

Beyond assuming that they were chosen for their doctrinal appropriateness, allthe rest of your reasons are just speculations. I understand you weren't atthe meeting where the workers discussed and selected the hymns.

What are the reasons do you think, the early workers put non-2x2 hymns in our hymn books before the 1987 selected the hymns?

WHY? did they put those non-2x2s hymns in our hymns books? and why did the selected overseers in 1987 decided to leave those non-2x2 authors hymns there?

Post by dmmichgood on Nov 26, 2017 1:38:30 GMT -5

Nathan, If you are going to speculate as to why those hymns are in "our" hymn book, isn't more likely that main reason is because in the beginning the early workers hadn't written any of their own hymns yet and so they took them from the "worldly" churches? Jason, you can go to Telling The Truth site and find just how many there were from outside sources.www.tellingthetruth.info/hymns/hymn1951.php#ByOutsiders

I don't speculate I have a list of most of the hymns which hymns are written by the workers and which ones are NOT the non-2x2 hymns authors... So, many of us know for years, we know which hymns are written by the workers and which ones are NOT. That list has been circulating among the friends for years before the telling the truth posted on their website.

Why do you think the workers put the non-2x2 hymns in our hymn books for years? Like Tell me the Story of Jesus, Was it for me? and so on... what were their reasons?

I also have a list.

I also have some of the original early hymn books themselves with the names of the authors at the top of each hymn.

That is different than speculating WHY the workers chose to put them in "our" own hymn book.

I wasn't around yet when they printed those first books so I really don't know why they chose some from "worldly' books

Post by BobWilliston on Nov 26, 2017 1:42:10 GMT -5

I have the list too. But that list doesn't say one thing about WHY the workers selected those hymns.

Beyond assuming that they were chosen for their doctrinal appropriateness, allthe rest of your reasons are just speculations. I understand you weren't atthe meeting where the workers discussed and selected the hymns.

What are the reasons do you think, the early workers put non-2x2 hymns in our hymn books before the 1987 selected the hymn?

WHY? did they put those non-2x2s hymns in our hymns books? and why did the selected overseers in 1987 decided to leave those hymns there?

My first guess is that they took them from the Redemption Songs book,which I understand some of the early friends used before they hada 2x2 hymn book. I wouldn't advise you to tell anyone else this,because it only seems like a possibility to me.

Post by nathan on Nov 26, 2017 1:44:15 GMT -5

So, WHY did the early workers and the selected overseers in 1987 left MANY of the Non-2x2 authors hymns in our hymns book? when they knew it was written by workers. They must have some reasons for doing it?

Post by nathan on Nov 26, 2017 1:45:58 GMT -5

What are the reasons do you think, the early workers put non-2x2 hymns in our hymn books before the 1987 selected the hymn?

WHY? did they put those non-2x2s hymns in our hymns books? and why did the selected overseers in 1987 decided to leave those hymns there?

My first guess is that they took them from the Redemption Songs book,which I understand some of the early friends used before they hada 2x2 hymn book. I wouldn't advise you to tell anyone else this,because it only seems like a possibility to me.

You did not answer my question... Why, did the workers for years add non-2x2s hymns in our hymns books in the first place?

Post by BobWilliston on Nov 26, 2017 1:49:56 GMT -5

My first guess is that they took them from the Redemption Songs book,which I understand some of the early friends used before they hada 2x2 hymn book. I wouldn't advise you to tell anyone else this,because it only seems like a possibility to me.

You did not answer my question... Why, did the workers for years add non-2x2s hymns in our hymns books in the first place?

I did answer your question. If I had known more about this I would have told you so.I could make something up, but I'm afraid you'd repeat it as fact.

Post by enuf on Nov 26, 2017 3:29:01 GMT -5

We grew up believing the hymns were written by workers and that worldly people had taken them. Yes they came from The Redemption Hymn book and Alexander Hymns. Yes they had the authors names but we thought they were workers because remember, this way went back to Jesus.

Nathan you didn't grow up in meetings so you don't now what we were taught. You knew them from outside churches. We didn't. We'd never heard of the Faith Mission or that we had come from them but as I said we went back to Jesus.

The reason the workers used them was because the workers came out of churches who used them and the workers hadn't written any of their own. Having their own hymns is another change in the so called unchanging way and my guess is another way of isolating themselves and cutting themselves off from other churches. It does intrigue me that they still use the early churches 4 part harmony as if it is somehow more Godly than melodic style. The piano also seems to still be the more reverend instrument. At least they didn't stay just with the organ.

We did not have Amazing Grace or How Great Thou Art because they were written by worldly people but we used the worldly hymns anyway.

Post by nathan on Nov 26, 2017 11:46:34 GMT -5

We grew up believing the hymns were written by workers and that worldly people had taken them. Yes they came from The Redemption Hymn book and Alexander Hymns. Yes they had the authors names but we thought they were workers because remember, this way went back to Jesus.

Nathan you didn't grow up in meetings so you don't now what we were taught. You knew them from outside churches. We didn't. We'd never heard of the Faith Mission or that we had come from them but as I said we went back to Jesus.

The reason the workers used them was because the workers came out of churches who used them and the workers hadn't written any of their own. Having their own hymns is another change in the so called unchanging way and my guess is another way of isolating themselves and cutting themselves off from other churches. It does intrigue me that they still use the early churches 4 part harmony as if it is somehow more Godly than melodic style. The piano also seems to still be the more reverend instrument. At least they didn't stay just with the organ.

We did not have Amazing Grace or How Great Thou Art because they were written by worldly people but we used the worldly hymns anyway.

I was a Pentecostal when I attended the workers gospel, and Sunday morning meetings and I recognized some of the hymns similar to us, such as Tell me the story of Jesus, and a few other hymns, so I felt at ease, we had the same Christians faith and that the workers were NOT a cult or a non-Christians group.

Looking back, I am so thankful the early workers had some of those similar hymns like many churches in their hymns books. If I sang ONLY the workers hymns which I did NOT recognize and familiar with I would feel uneasy about what I am singing.

Post by enuf on Nov 26, 2017 13:04:33 GMT -5

Do you think if someone goes to another church and sings some of the hymns that they had in their previous church that they think ahh, I sang this hymn in my other church so this is not a cult?

Do you think that when someone sits through a meeting and they don't recognise the hymns they are thinking this is a cult. Not many churches sing the old hymns and I doubt if people from meetings would know any of them so do they think I don't know any of these hymns so this must be a cult?

I doubt if the early workers even thought of stearing people away from the thought that this is a cult. They were just out there preaching. If you had said that when someone from another church attends meetings and recognises the hymns they may be less likely to think we are a cult then that makes sense but to say that the early workers used hymns from other churches so that people would not think that they were a cult is hog wash. Did the early workers even have the cult word in their thinking when they were planning the hymn book.

The workers used hymns from other churches for the same reason they used the word worker, had conventions and so on which was because they came from them and copied them.

You talk about being a Pentecostal Nathan. If I remember you attended the Pentecostal church for a year when you were 17 years old. Correct me if I'm wrong. You said you decided that you wanted to become a minister but some 17 year old might attend some meetings and think they want to be a worker but that doesn't make them one. 17 year olds have all thoughts of ideas of what they want to be.

Post by fred on Nov 26, 2017 16:42:32 GMT -5

Hey that's a fessin' song! Looks like some worldly church went and ripped this tune right out of Hymns Olde and New. How dare they?!

Well you cant keep a good thing down or under cover for ever, that is a beautiful and inspiring hymn. It deserves to be sung every where and in every church gathering. Alone He trod is another good one.

Convention was opened this year with one of Eddie Cooney's hymns - I doubt if anyone noticed or even cared.

Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2017 16:49:22 GMT -5

Well you cant keep a good thing down or under cover for ever, that is a beautiful and inspiring hymn. It deserves to be sung every where and in every church gathering. Alone He trod is another good one.

Convention was opened this year with one of Eddie Cooney's hymns - I doubt if anyone noticed or even cared.

Post by nathan on Nov 26, 2017 17:15:11 GMT -5

Do you think if someone goes to another church and sings some of the hymns that they had in their previous church that they think ahh, I sang this hymn in my other church so this is not a cult?

Do you think that when someone sits through a meeting and they don't recognise the hymns they are thinking this is a cult. Not many churches sing the old hymns and I doubt if people from meetings would know any of them so do they think I don't know any of these hymns so this must be a cult?

I doubt if the early workers even thought of stearing people away from the thought that this is a cult. They were just out there preaching. If you had said that when someone from another church attends meetings and recognises the hymns they may be less likely to think we are a cult then that makes sense but to say that the early workers used hymns from other churches so that people would not think that they were a cult is hog wash. Did the early workers even have the cult word in their thinking when they were planning the hymn book.

The workers used hymns from other churches for the same reason they used the word worker, had conventions and so on which was because they came from them and copied them.

You talk about being a Pentecostal Nathan. If I remember you attended the Pentecostal church for a year when you were 17 years old. Correct me if I'm wrong. You said you decided that you wanted to become a minister but some 17 year old might attend some meetings and think they want to be a worker but that doesn't make them one. 17 year olds have all thoughts of ideas of what they want to be.

I haven't told everything about how I came to meet the workers... before I met the workers I attended the church of Mormons, the Jehovah Witnesses, Church of Christ, met the Crusaders for Christ at the University of Guam... So, I know a lot about the Cults groups.... and I prayed to God that when I met the workers they would NOT be another Cult group.... God revealed and gave great assurance they are NOT a Cult but his true apostles of today!

I was a special kind of child... wanted to be a priest, when I was 8 yrs old when I attend all boys Catholic School for a year. The thought came to me again at the age of 17 to become a Pentecostal pastor, and at the age of 19, I offered for the work to become a 2x2 worker/apostle and I started in the work in 1986-93 Oregon, Convention.

Paul and a few of the Old Testament prophets wrote that God had called them to be His servants, apostles/preacher when they were in the wombs. Gal. 1:15-16 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen/Gentiles.

Isa 49:1,5 Listen, O isles, unto me; and hearken, ye people, from far; The Lord hath called me from the womb; from the bowels of my mother hath he made mention of my name. And now, saith the Lord that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the Lord, and my God shall be my strength.

When God calls you into the harvest field you KNOW! God will make sure that you KNOW He has chosen you.

Post by enuf on Nov 26, 2017 18:17:32 GMT -5

Good that you finally obeyed God's call. Seems as if you had the ministry on your heart from a young age. But please keep on track and stick to the Bible, not other extra celestial things. That's called in my book, adding to the Gospel.

Post by nathan on Nov 26, 2017 18:32:50 GMT -5

Good that you finally obeyed God's call. Seems as if you had the ministry on your heart from a young age. But please keep on track and stick to the Bible, not other extra celestial things. That's called in my book, adding to the Gospel.

The Bible is full of celestial beings, Jesus came from heaven, Christ appeared in human form or in a form of angel of God and talked to men/Abraham, Jacob, Issac, Moses, and the prophets. The human-looking angels appeared to Lot and rescue them from the destruction of the wicked Sodom and Gomorrah cities.

One angel destroyed 185,000 Assyrians enemies of Israel in one night with his sword. The human-looking angels came and rolled away a very heavy stone from Jesus tomb. The angels came and rescue Peter from prison.

Jesus talked if he wanted to be rescue from Herod, he could ask the Father to sent 72,000 angels come from heaven to do so but he did NOT. 1 angel killed 185,000 enemies and can you image what 72,000 angels could have done to the Roman army? it will bring them down in ONE day.

You read your Bible but you don't KNOW or BELIEVE what you are reading... These are celestial beings.... There are MORE of them, and thousands, millions of different kinds of celestial beings you don't KNOW about that exist.

Jude 6-8 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their proper dwelling—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. In the very same way, on the strength of their dreams these ungodly people pollute their own bodies, reject authority and heap abuse on celestial beings.

There two guardian angels for every human being... There are over 7 billions people. and 1/3 of the angels became fallen angels.... That is a lot of celestial beings that God created.

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