Why was Gohan so freakishly strong? It seemed like every time he had his power "unlocked", he still had boatloads more to unlock. The only thing that held him back was his lack of fighting spirit but maybe Gohan was the true legendary super saiyan and not Goku. Goku busted his ass to get his power but Gohan's always had it, and then some. Like a prodigy or some shit.

>>101984264
He is a half human hald saiyan, which gives him a huge potential. This is freaking stupid and was only done so in order for Toriyama to speed up his power level growth. >maybe Gohan was the true legendary super saiyan
Not a true saiyan. Gohan's potential has a limit unlike true saiyans.

Unlock potential. Basically a trait of half human/half saiyan, ultimately if he had chosen to continue practicing at the same intensity as his father he would have surpassed him eventually. The reasoning behind it was poor but if left the way he had done it, Gohan would have been the strongest single person in the series. Probably only second to Vegito which as I said isn't a single person. Also GT is not canon before any faggots try to say otherwise.

>>101984264
I fucking hate SSJ 2.
Would have been instantly better if SSJ 2 looked like SSJ 3 and it brought out the Sayians animal instincts.
Gohan would have went rabid like a monkey on Cell and his own teammates. In his new surge of power, he would have accidentally killed his father or some shit.

>>101985409
He basically did. After deciding to extend the manga past Frieza, Cell's defeat was the intended endpoint with Gohan having surpassed and succeeded his father. But then Toriyama was pressured to continue the manga yet again, so we got the Buu saga and Goku being the hero yet again like all the fans wanted.

>>101984264
toriyama wanted to make him the new MC but fan backlash made him reconsider and bring goku back.

also going by DBZ logic; as a saiyan you should just let yourself get almost killed and then eat a senzuu and your powerlvl would multiply. I don't know why vegeta stopped abusing this after the freeza saga.

>>101985667
yea
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I mean I liked the buu saga, but god, they've made Gohan such a bitch

I mean I was like hell yea, ascended Gohan, then hell yea when I thought Goku would fuse with Gohan, but no.

It either goes Gohan realises his untapped powers and does something to access it
Goku screams, which somehow gives him infinite power
Vegeta training constantly only to get the short end of the stick
and Trunks and Goten being cocky faggots, who having reached super sayian before ten become useless.

I think it's because he inherrited his potential from Goku. The problem is that it's latent because he never trains to realize his full potential unlike Goku. Who is always training as hard as he can to constantly break his limits.

Like the one and only fucking time that Gohan ever trained as hard as Goku was during the Cell Saga and he ended up surpassing his father without even realizing it.

When he watched his father fight against Cell he thought that Goku was just fucking around even though Goku was going all out. It's because he was training as hard as goku and had temporarily surpassed it.

But once Cell was beaten then Gohan went back to his natural thing which is to fuck off and not train. So Goku and Vegeta again grew stronger and broke their limits again.

Yeah, I think a lot of people don't realize that but even Goku and someone else in the movie remarks on how Vegita in that moment had surpassed Goku.

Also, Goku only went god form with help but it could be possible that Goku and Vegita have unlocked something different or a way to tap into that power without all 5 of them channeling into a single person.

Or it could just be some saiyain thing that Vegeta alone has tapped into.

>>101986157
Bitch, you know it's true > : <>>101986223
I don't really think so.
I'm sure Goku only did it because he's the main character..
And he also remarked he didn't like SSJG because it wasnt something he could do or achieve on his own. Thought it was a form of cheating.

>>101986845>And that's probably because Vegeta is stronger then Goku, as was stated by Goku himself.

No, he meant that in that moment that he had surpassed him. Not that he was stronger the entire time. Because it's obvious that Goku reached that level as well when he fought Bills without using SSJ God form.

I think whatever Goku was using to do that is what Vegeta had previously tapped into to be able to damage Bills.

I mean there's no way that Vegeta could normally do it if he was only SSJ and Goku's SSJ3 couldn't even do shit to Bills.

Maybe if they make another movie it will be expanded on. I figure it has something to do with their emotions. Just like how SS1 seems to be unlocked by rage.

>>101987114>Bill said he was only able to contend with him in normal ssj form is because the left over power in ssjg for, did he not?

Maybe that's true but then does that mean that Vegeta also tapped into that power as well? I mean there's no real reason that he should have been able to inflict any damage to Bills as SSJ2 when Goku's SSJ3 got knocked out in 1 hit and couldn't even land a blow?

I'm just saying. They both were able to damage him somehow and they are both Pure Blood saiyan with comparable strength. It's likely that they both tapped into the same ability to fight him.

>>101986975
They clearly meant that Vegeta, pre-ssjgod Goku, was the stronger fighter. This was made obvious from the fact SS3 Goku didn't do jack shit to Bills, while non-SS3 Vegeta beat him down for a moment.

The movie is still retarded because of how much every other character aside from a small handful had their personalities destroyed. The whole buildup with Bills on Earth made no fucking sense in how everyone went batshit at him knocking Buu away, which should have been obvious it was going to happen.

I always assumed it was the purity of his character, since the old basis of Super Saiyan was having a Pure Heart, but when Toriyama decided EVERYONE GOT A SUPER SAIYAN he was left with all this foreshadowing and just went "whatever"

>>101989462>>101989768
These. Basically all of them would just go around destroying shit.
Then again, if Vegeta stayed a bad guy, he would probably try to do so, and lead them himself. But by the time came around he could do something like that, he was a good guy.

I dont get why toriyama didnt make the humans more powerful, i blame it to the fact that he made his manga more sci fi than fantasy in Z (or part 2), so in order to get absurd power levels, and made them believable (like mutants, or radioactive things) they made the protagonist from another planet.

It's been foreshadowed since the beginning of DBZ that Gohan would get ridiculously strong. His potential began to truly blossom after the Guru unlocked it for him, and began the SSJ training. Then of course old man Sup. Kai overdosed his potential.

I feel like Gohan was a character that was supposed to be recognized as the truly strongest, but never was able to fully become that due to the situations he was put in(having somewhat normal life and rarely even having a reason or desire to train and fight all the time) Why do you think Goten becomes so ridiculously weak after neglecting training to go out with cute girls? Gohan was a perfect example of the modern Saiyan, I wish they continued the series of GT or made a separate one for Pan, first female SSJ would've been pretty gdlk

>>101991847
I think Vegetto was on par with the gods. He was fucking with Buuhan in SSJ1 and effortlessly dominating him, and still had SSJ2 and 3 left to transform to. Considering SSJ3 Goku was shitting himself at the prospect of fighting regular Super Buu, and Buuhan was many times stronger than that, I think it's safe to say that SSJ1 Vegetto is on the order of hundreds of times stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

>>101992103
Buu Kai is out? Oh god, where have I been. MAybe hopefully SOMEHOW but doubtdly, I'd even take a short manga series or OVA at tis point, but Pan was a gem. It genuinely disappoints me they didn't use her for a better story. GT was just some shit. It dragged on ridicously(not saying part of me didn't LOVE it). But yeah, it ws major downgrade from the Buu Saga. It was just some hack ob that pissed me off becasue of all the wack enemies they couldn't take on for some lame reason or another, and SSJ not meaning a damn thing out there. And Trunks was so USELESS. I swear I barely saw him do a thing worth mentioning. Just oh my god, I really do hope they rework it.

>>101992418>http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=23101
After becoming Super Saiyan God and fighting Beers a bit, Goku says he never knew there was a "realm" like this [the word here, sekai, means "world" or "realm" and is presumably being used metaphorically to mean a general level of power. For instance, during the Cell arc Trunks tells Kuririn about how Vegeta got super strong training in the RoSaT, but one day Trunks surpassed that "realm" by reaching the form we now call Super Saiyan Grade III. In the film, "realm" pops up again later when Beers says Goku has absorbed SSG's "realm" into his body, but more on that later. Goku's surprise at the "realm" of SSG could be taken to mean it's stronger than Vegetto (and any other form Goku's ever reached before), but maybe he's surprised that he got this strong without using a form of fusion. This is also the same movie where Mister Satan has to be told again about how Dende is God of Earth, so arguably Goku going "wow, never knew I could get this strong" isn't too conclusive].

>>101993445
Vegetto was created from earrings that had the power of gods in them. Who's to say he didn't have some measure of divinity himself?>>101993342
It's definitely more than 10. Super Buu was on par with SSJ3 Gotenks. SSJ1 Gotenks was said by Toriyama to be roughly equal in raw power to SSJ3 Goku(but worse at fighting). SSJ2 and 3 are both x2 multipliers from the previous state, so we can conclude that Super Buu was 4x stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

Mystic Gohan was beating Super Buu pretty effortlessly, but began losing when Buu absorbed Gotenks. So he was probably about twice as strong as Super Buu. Assuming the powers add algebraically, Super buu + SSJ3 Gotenks + Gohan = 4x Super Buu. And since Super Buu is 4x SSJ3 Goku, Buuhan would therefore be 16x SSJ3 Goku. And Vegetto was beating that before even turning SSJ. Sicne SSJ is a 50x multiplier, we know that SSJ1 Vegetto is at a bare minimum 800 times stronger than SSJ3 Goku.

gohan had all of his oozaru power and/or warrior lust suppressed by his mom. it only ever broke free during traumatic experiences. that made him the poster boy for rage related power, which just so happens to be the key for saiyans to acquire new levels of strength

>>101984264
Here's the thing
Gohan came from a long line of powerful warriors on both sides.
His mother was stronger than his grandfather, and his father was stronger than his other grandfather.
On top of that, from what we've seen about saiyans is that they have relatively steady growth, spiking up every time they nearly die and then not making too much progress between (without super special training, of course)
However, we see the reverse happen with humans. Humans get very progressively stronger, even without special training. Adult Krillin only received one special powerup, the one from guru, but yet he went from being a 206 at the start of Z to being comparable to frieza (at least one of his forms) by the android arc just a couple years later.
That's intense for having virtually no special training during that time.
On top of that, humans are naturally more adept at ki manipulation and sensing. Vegeta had to learn it after being exposed to earthlings, and none of frieza's people can.

So Gohan, having the high power of a saiyan, mixed with the natural powerspiking and ki usage of a human, would obviously make him a threat.
And on top of that, he's coming from a lineage of successively STRONGER individuals (not unlike some families have progressively taller generations).
And he's from the strongest lineage on the saiyan side, and one of the strongest lineages on the human side.

Combine that with a human's nasty tendency to get emotional powerspikes, and the saiyan's tendency to have transformations unlocked by emotional powerspikes, and there you have it.
Why did Goten not have as much potential? 6 years of Goku being dead, and no piccolo training.

>>102004017>goku even weaker than his father...
what?
Bardock was 10k at his death, approximate age 30
Goku surpassed that at the age of 22, before he event went to namek.
And Gohan surpassed that at the age of 5
and bardock was, at the time, pretty much THE strongest saiyan (with possible exception being king vegeta). Furthermore, even 22 years later, his power level was still beyond that of anyone OTHER than Vegeta, prince of saiyans and most powerful, until Goku broke the record after training in the afterlife.

>>101985467
It was a little underwhelming but the build up to it was pretty great, hell the cell saga was just great in general, character development all around. Vegeta finally getting over himself and helping in the battle brought a tear in the eye.