I'm gonna post a few clips of a late night TV programme from the 1980's called 'after dark' which followed in the wake of certain revelations involving the activities of the intelligence services. What was being said back then is just as poignant today as we see the saville revelations burst into the public eye and the spate of police investigations that followed in the wake of his death not to mention the stalling of the chilcot inquiry to protect the war criminals behind the iraq war

The TV programme brought together various people and allowed them a platform to air their views on the matters. Recurring themes include the book 'spycatcher' which an intelligence operative released exposing a conspiracy to discredit and remove the harold wilson government. The book was blocked by the british government and was published in australia and new zealand instead leading to high sales globally because of the initial government ban which then sparked more interest from the public about the books contents

Another theme is the kincora boys school scandal, which Icke has covered, where freemasonic orange order guys as well as british politicians were involved in abusing young boys. This was then used by the intelligence services for purposes of blackmail. Also involved was royal mountbatten who was then subsequently blown up in his boat. These sort of scandals highlight a whole number of problems within our system and i'm going to give my views about what those problems are.

One of the aspects of the human condition they highlight is spheres of influence. So at the centre of the scandal was a homosexual network some of which were also involved in pedophilia. This network helped each other out and formed a 'velvet mafia'. People in the intelligence services were always warned against homosexuality because it can leave them vulnerable to blackmail, but that didn't prevent homosexuals from reaching high positions within the services.

Some might argue that to a large extent that was a product of the public school system from which intelligence officers were and are recruited, but that's another side issue. So if you imagine a venn diagram in your mind and think of one circle as being the gay network. Then you can also put people in other circles and then see how the circles overlap and by doing so you can see the various spheres of influence

So for example a gay person might be given a job by a gay recruiter over a straight person because they are part of the same network and yet to the outside world that sphere of influence might not be immediately perceptable. Then the intelligence people are invariably recruited from oxbridge universities so those then form more spheres of influence for example what is termed 'old school ties' where old school and university buddies each scratch each others backs.

In the UK there is also a social class aspect to the establishment with many upper class people being favoured over people from other socio-economic groups. Then there is an ideological aspect too with a struggle going on over the way british society is ordered which i'll discuss in a minute.

So a scandal blew up involving the 'cambridge 5' spies who were all from cambridge. They were a group of people who were feeding state secrets to the soviets because they were state-socialists who wanted to see a state-socialist world govenrment emerge and to achieve that they had to assist the destruction of their own nation state. The fifth spy that is rarely mentioned was victor rothschild who was an intelligence officer also named in relation to the kincora scandal.

These people moved in a variety of different circles of influence for example the gay network, the cambridge world, the upper classes, the fabian socialist side of things, the jewish central bankers etc and all these circles overlapped creating a murky world of various allegiances based upon a foundation of ideology. This all led to many aspects of the british system being infiltrated by the state-socialist authoritarians and their infiltration can still be perceived today for example in the blairites of labour and in the tory destruction of british industry leaving britain at the mercy of the global bankers and their globalised system built upon their corporate trade agreements

The ideological struggle i mentioned above plays out on the british political stage as a fake theatre between left wing authoritarians and right wing authoritarians neither of which ultimately benefit the british workers. Those that seek to see british workers gain greater say within the system are squeezed out of the picture and people are encouraged to vote between two different strains of authoritarianism which is basically a fools errand

iamawaveofthesea

04-04-2016 01:05 PM

The first episode i'm going to post is 'After dark-out of bounds'

There's lots of good stuff said in this epsiode and also its amusing to watch tony benn run rings around a CIA chief....Benn has a mischevious streak!

I appreciate the programe is quite long but its worth a watch. Some highlights imo include:

@1 hour 15 mins Benn accusing the CIA chief of making the case for authoritarianism after the CIA guy argues that the public should be kept out of the decision making process

@ around 1 hour 38 mins Benn says the security agencies in the UK exist to prevent social change. He also accuses them of policing the british public instead of protecting them from outside threats

This raises questions the programme deals with which i'll discuss further relating to what is a 'subversive', what is the 'national interest', what is the 'crown', what should the function of the security service be and how should areas like secrecy and privacy be handled as well as the impacts this has on people both in power but also just regular folk on the street

@1 hour 57 minutes Benn confirms that politicians in parliament are recruited by the intelligence services and that they tried to recruit him!

@2 hours 14 mins Benn delves into what the 'crown' is that is at the heart of the british system...and it ain't the queen!

@ 2 hours 28 mins Benn says the public are deliberately kept in the dark for political reasons

@ 2 hours 30 mins 'necrophilia' is mentioned!

@ 2 hours 36 an ex spy speaks about the 'vinditive' disposition of some people in positions of power

I'll discuss more about that character trait and where it comes from and the implications for us as a nation and society in a post after these clips

@14 mins an ex GCHQ operative says in his opinion and from his extensive experience within the system people tend to do things more for personal reasons than for national reasons (ie the national interest)

@ 17 mins he mentions the problems of corruption and also blackmail

@18 mins he says that politicians tended to use the intelligence services not so much for the national interests but more to score points against their political opponents ie politicking. he says that national security is being harmed by politicians

@37 mins they get into the kincora scandal

@1 hour and 37 mins they get into the conservative cover up of kincora (thatcher blocked the investigation)

@ 1 hour 36 mins they discuss the british obsession with secrets

@ 1 hour 56 they discuss the role of private firms in security which you can see today in the widespread use of 'private defence contractors' at great expense to the public purse because then governments don't need to worry about a public backlash at soldiers being killed (only mercenaries who are themselves ex soldiers anyway!)

A mention is made of the power of the nuclear power industry and Icke links the rothschilds to that. The persecution and even mysterious deaths of anti-nuclear protestors is discussed

@3 hours where a labour activist says that the state is the labour partys enemy but that labour has never acknowledged that

I would argue to that journalist that the reason for that is that the top labour people are all fabians who are in league with the authoritarians on both sides of the spectrum and that the 'two party' system is merely a false left/right paradigm, hegelian dialectic controlled by the cabal to steer society in the direction it wants it to go in

After dark episode on secrets....taken off youtube. A BS explanation being given about 'copyright'

This episode has less juicy content but still covers some interesting ground for example how members of the public are unfairly smeared in their state files which can then cause them problems throughout their lives (a very vindictive act) for example not being able to gain employment due to blackballing

A scandal came out in recent years involving an industry black ball list of workers who had been involved in trade union activity who were then unable to get a job within the industy. That list was then exposed

This eposide also has the reticent Colin wallace who largely dissapoints considering the things he knows. He was involved in black ops in northern ireland which then saw him being fitted up for a murder of which he was later acquited after 6 years in jail because he went public over the use of child abuse for political blackmail

Important stuff #1,2&3 posts that everyone who wants some kind of existential existence needs to be revised up on. People need to think about these matters instead of their day jobs.

BTW, the secret to keeping a job is to make it brazenly clear in your actions and attitude that the position you hold in the company bares no significance to you at all. So many people are intimidated at their work which makes them into expendable fodder for the meat factory they're in. I have never been sacked from a single job except in three cases where I could not be bothered to actually leave and wanted to see how long it would take the owners to finally tell me they had no work for me. But that was casual labour. In a multi level company, people are so full of BS that they will promote you the less you care to be there and they can never believe that you would actually turn around and walk out on them, probably because so few people have it in them to do it.

Everyone is terrified of not conforming. They are addicted to conformity. Their instinct is, the harder they are beat up, the more they conform. Whip them, give them crap food, piss on them, and they conform. Look at all those battered housewife victims and how they kept returning to the abuser. This is the mystery. Why do battered and abused people keep seeking out more abuse for themselves? The more you beat these people, the more obedient they become. There are very few people for whom such a spell backfires.

In the end you have to challenge the victims and the targets of the abuse. Ask them, why do you stand ther and take all this? And you have to realise that they expect you to take abuse too, and they don't like people who don't lie down and take it. Can you believe it? They are out to martyr themselves. I think we can free ourselves only, but we cannot take passengers. But, by freeing ourselves others may be encouraged to do the same. So it is worth speaking loudly and clearly. Wherever I go I am brazen in my attitude that I could not care less whether I have friends or enemies. In most cases, perhaps all cases, I prefer to have enemies instead of friends.

Most people are terrified of having enemies and go around loving everybody no matter how abusive they are in return. They spend their time being nice to scum while ignoring those who are good. Everyone pays too much attention to the attention seeking scum and none to those who should be getting all the attention. They let the good starve and die while they maintain the welfare and living standards of mass murderers. Try and get that bit of truth to stick in their faces.

iamawaveofthesea

04-04-2016 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by polyhedron
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Important stuff #1,2&3 posts that everyone who wants some kind of existential existence needs to be revised up on. People need to think about these matters instead of their day jobs.

BTW, the secret to keeping a job is to make it brazenly clear in your actions and attitude that the position you hold in the company bares no significance to you at all. So many people are intimidated at their work which makes them into expendable fodder for the meat factory they're in. I have never been sacked from a single job except in three cases where I could not be bothered to actually leave and wanted to see how long it would take the owners to finally tell me they had no work for me. But that was casual labour. In a multi level company, people are so full of BS that they will promote you the less you care to be there and they can never believe that you would actually turn around and walk out on them, probably because so few people have it in them to do it.

Everyone is terrified of not conforming. They are addicted to conformity. Their instinct is, the harder they are beat up, the more they conform. Whip them, give them crap food, piss on them, and they conform. Look at all those battered housewife victims and how they kept returning to the abuser. This is the mystery. Why do battered and abused people keep seeking out more abuse for themselves? The more you beat these people, the more obedient they become. There are very few people for whom such a spell backfires.

In the end you have to challenge the victims and the targets of the abuse. Ask them, why do you stand ther and take all this? And you have to realise that they expect you to take abuse too, and they don't like people who don't lie down and take it. Can you believe it? They are out to martyr themselves. I think we can free ourselves only, but we cannot take passengers. But, by freeing ourselves others may be encouraged to do the same. So it is worth speaking loudly and clearly. Wherever I go I am brazen in my attitude that I could not care less whether I have friends or enemies. In most cases, perhaps all cases, I prefer to have enemies instead of friends.

Most people are terrified of having enemies and go around loving everybody no matter how abusive they are in return. They spend their time being nice to scum while ignoring those who are good. Everyone pays too much attention to the attention seeking scum and none to those who should be getting all the attention. They let the good starve and die while they maintain the welfare and living standards of mass murderers. Try and get that bit of truth to stick in their faces.

One of the programmes above mentions a factor of human psychology where many people will tend to look the other way in order to have an easier life and that is what the dirty tricks people rely on

Concerning abuse i think people will put up with it for different reasons. In the relationship context you mention i think people will put up with a lot of crap they otherwise wouldn't put up with when children are involved so they stick it out in toxic relationships for the childrens sake but some relationships can be saved and others cannot

Abuse in the context of the work place...one of the clips, the third one looks at a guy who committed suicide because he was upset by what was going on at work but could not talk to his wife because he was bound under the offical secrets act

The pressure built up inside him and eventually he cracked. Prior to that he had an out of character outburst where he strangled the family cat which his widow was baffled by because otherwise he loved animals. I guess pressure can do funny things to people.

Abuse in terms of the state abusing the workers is an old dynamic but as a rule of thumb people tend to revolt when their food costs get to about 40% of their income by which point it is getting closer to a matter of survival because they are on the brink of losing their shelter, food and fuel

There is an ideological drive at the moment to create what Icke calls the 'hunger games society' and the wealth of the public is being destroyed deliberately and by design. This puts what i've called the 'squeeze' on people which puts them under more pressure. This will then impact on all areas of their life and can lead to tensions between men and women leading to relationship breakups which is all part of the agenda of replacing the parents with the state. I've explored that in my 'possible solutions' thread

More and more people are feeling the squeeze

iamawaveofthesea

04-04-2016 03:21 PM

Mentions are made in the clips to assassinations and the use of outside agencies to create distance from the crimes

One famous assassination attempt was on french president charles de gaulle who was critical of the US advantage gained through the bretton woods scheme after the second world war. In 1965 De gaulle called for france to swap its dollar reserves for gold.

This from wikipedia:

''In the Bretton Woods system put in place in 1944, U.S. dollars were convertible to gold. In France, it was called "America's exorbitant privilege"[5] as it resulted in an "asymmetric financial system" where foreigners "see themselves supporting American living standards and subsidizing American multinationals". As American economist Barry Eichengreen summarized: "It costs only a few cents for the Bureau of Engraving and Printing to produce a $100 bill, but other countries had to pony up $100 of actual goods in order to obtain one".[5] In February 1965 President Charles de Gaulle announced his intention to exchange its U.S. dollar reserves for gold at the official exchange rate. He sent the French Navy across the Atlantic to pick up the French reserve of gold and was followed by several countries. As it resulted in considerably reducing U.S. gold stock and U.S. economic influence, it led U.S. President Richard Nixon to unilaterally end the convertibility of the dollar to gold on 15 August 1971 (the "Nixon Shock"). This was meant to be a temporary measure but the dollar became permanently a floating fiat money and in October 1976, the U.S. government officially changed the definition of the dollar; references to gold were removed from statutes'' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_de_Gaulle

The comments in the clip about private hitmen reminded me of talk of assassins used against kennedy and of Permindex. This from wikipedia:

''Businessman Clay Shaw, head of the International Trade Mart in New Orleans, represented the United States on the board of directors for Permindex.[5][7] On March 1, 1967, Shaw was arrested and charged with conspiring to assassinate President John F. Kennedy by New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison.[7] Three days later on March 4, the Italian left-wing newspaper Paese Sera published a story alleging that Shaw was linked to the CIA through his involvement in the Centro Mondiale Commerciale, a subsidiary of Permindex in which Shaw was also said to be a board member.[7] According to Paese Sera, the CMC had been a front organization developed by the CIA for transferring funds to Italy for "illegal political-espionage activities” and had attempted to depose French President Charles de Gaulle in the early 1960s.[7] On March 6, the newspaper printed other allegations about individuals it said were connected to Permindex, including Louis Bloomfield whom it described as "an American agent who now plays the role of a businessman from Canada (who) established secret ties in Rome with Deputies of the Christian Democrats and neo-Fascist parties."[8] The allegations were retold in various newspapers associated with the Communist parties in Italy (l'Unità), France (L'Humanité), and the Soviet Union (Pravda), as well as leftist papers in Canada and Greece, prior to reaching the American press eight weeks later.[7] American journalist Max Holland stated that Paese Sera's allegations connecting Shaw to the CIA eventually led to Garrison implicating the CIA in a conspiracy to assassinate Kennedy.[7]

According to Holland, an internal investigation by the CIA's counterintelligence staff found that Shaw had volunteered information to the agency's Domestic Contact Service from 1948 to 1956, but that the substance of the allegations were not true.[7] It concluded that neither Permindex or Centro Mondiale Commerciale were a front to channel fund to anti-communists, and that the agency had not solicited Shaw to use his relationship with CMC for clandestine purposes.'' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Permindex

The role of currency is central to the conspiracy to create world government and commentators like Bill Still have said the 'Currency Act 1764' was what led to the american war of independence from the state of britain which was itself enthrall to the international bankers

SNP politician Mhairi Black said in her inaugeral speech in the commons that there were two types of people in politics...there were signposts and there were weathervanes

The signposts were people of principle who were guided in their actions by their principles and the weathervanes were people who would flipflop depending on what they wanted to get out of any given situation. This is true of life also and not just of politicians. I mentioned the issue of what is the 'national interest' earlier in the thread and this ties into this issue of weathervanes and signposts

Different people will have different ideas of what the 'national interest' is. Some will see it as being what is in the interests of the general public whilst others will see it as what is in their own best interests. The latter will claim to be acting in the 'national interests' whilst actually doing what is in their personal interests even if that is not what is in the interests of the general public

There was a clash in the clips above between people who believed that the public had a right to know things and those that felt everything should be a secret that only a few privileged people were privy to. This is the constant tug and pull in society between the many and the few. The few argue for authoritarianism which is to say that they should manage everything and everyone should leave everything to them to take care of and just trust them that they will do the right thing by them!

This leads onto the next big issue which is what the 'crown' is that is at the heart of the british system and as Benn says in the clip it is a state within the state. It is a core of powerful people and groups including the intelligence services and civil servants who are always there regardless of which governments are voted into temporary office. So those within the crown see the 'national interest' as what is in the best interests of the crown and that might not always coincide with what the best interests of the british public is

So the crown can often persecute who it deems to be 'subversive' but effectively their definition of what is subversive will be anything that does not agree with their definition of what the 'national interest' is at any given point! If you disagree with the crown on anything at any time then you can be labelled a 'subversive'!

Obviously the people within the crown believe that all their actions should be 'secret' and that the public should have no right to any 'privacy' of their own. This is a clear double standard and has no basis in what is moral, right or fair; it is a purely political position based on might is right realpolitik

The publics view on these matters however might be that better transparency and accountability would lead to a more healthy democracy where people are able to make better informed decisions and where there would be less scandals because there would be less places for such skullduggery to occur

iamawaveofthesea

04-04-2016 06:03 PM

Some of the things that the people in the clips said were pretty alarming about the kind of people who are being allowed such state power in the UK. They used a number of words to describe what they saw as going on: vindictive, corruption, paranoid, acting in personal interests

These kind of character traits along with the accompanying behaviours outlined which included murders, smearing, character assasination, fit ups etc are the hall marks of psychopaths

They are the traits which we also see behind various occult orders and their agendas. There is a profile that begins to emerge of the people who are behind the various crimes committed through the system

They are invariably: cynical and believe that all people are essentially bad, vindictive and seek revenge against any perceived slights, snide in their derision of others, ambitious careerists who put their own interests before that of the greater whole, corrupt and egotistical in that they believe their interests trump all else

These are narcissistic character traits. People exhibiting these traits tend to have very sharp elbows and are very good at lying, fighting, cheating and even murdering their way to the top of organisations from where they then impose their will on everyone else. They recruit other people who also exhibit low empathy so that they will follow orders and they create negative cultures of fear around themselves

They are like a cancer that poisons the organisation they are in as well as the wider community by pushing out more principled people and then trying to pull everyone else down to their own debased view of humanity

They want to make humanity as base as they believe them to be and will attempt to achieve that by creating as negative environment for people to live in as possible thereby encouraging the worst from people

iamawaveofthesea

07-04-2016 02:59 PM

Military wants ‘safe space away from public gaze’ to come up with policy, including Trident
Apr 6, 2016

The Ministry of Defence (MoD) said it hasn’t made its own full forecast and said in a statement: “The government needs a safe space away from the public gaze to allow it to consider policy options for delivering the deterrent in the most cost-effective way, unfettered from public comment about the affordability of particular policy options.”

Journalist and author Owen Jones describes this setup in his book ‘The Establishment‘. He argues that rather than a secret conspiratorial effort, the establishment is more or less a bunch of people with power who want to hold on to that power. It follows that a lot of those people are born into the power they’re guarding – members of the ‘upper classes’. In addition, the establishment is partly formed by those from the working and middle classes who have risen to prominence through business acumen and acceptance of the culture of the establishment (a culture Jones and others call neoliberal.) This corporate culture holds profit, and the power it brings, as its highest value. As long as one appears to have the ability to manage their role as a ‘good businessperson’ should – with all the assumptions and connotations both words entail – they are fit for the job.

There is much more to class and social mobility than simply personal finances, of course. Much of it is cultural, and that is well represented in the ease of interaction, social capital and recognition of status that Philby used to infiltrate the government. Much of the time, those who don’t conform to the rules of the elite, neoliberal, establishment class will be ousted from positions of authority, if they manage to gain them at all.

'waves', the last three posts seem to have gone off on a tangent. I may be missing something here, is there a connection to 'Exposing Child Abuse'? (As there may be a more suitable niche, before the thread goes too much off topic)

Officials from MI5, MI6 and the Cabinet Office will receive access to Sir John Chilcot’s findings at the start of next week. Chilcot and the government deny British spies will dilute the report, insisting the process is normal in inquiries that contain a considerable amount of sensitive material.

Keys said he is worried there could be “cohorts of Tony Blair and Alistair Campbell going through” the findings. He said the group had to be “politically neutral.” “There needs to be a referee almost – if someone says ‘I am taking this out,’ it needs to be shown to an independent person, otherwise it will be a whitewash,” he added.

An inquiry into allegations of mistreatment – including sexual abuse – at a Belfast boys’ home has restarted amid claims MI5 agents knew about the alleged abuses but chose to use them to blackmail pedophile public figures.

The Historical Institutional Abuse (HIA) Inquiry reconvened on Tuesday to examine allegations dating as far back as the 1970s. It is alleged boys at the Kincora care home in Belfast were subject to vicious abuse.

The inquiry will hear from claimants who allege a VIP pedophile ring preyed on those who lived the

‘Prolonged breakdown’ between MI5, MI6 over war on terror
Tue May 31, 2016 11:40PM

MI5 chief Eliza Manningham-Buller wrote a letter to Blair, slashing MI6’s rendition operations, leading to the torture of the suspects as part of the so-called war on terror, saying they were endangering the agency’s spies and other assets, the Guardian reveled, citing Whitehall sources Tuesday.

Belhaj (pictured below) was injected with “truth serum” and was tortured by the CIA before he was flown, along with his family, to the Libyan capital, where he was initially interrogated by British officers.

MI6 cooperation with the Libyan intelligence led to the arrest. The spy agency also updated their Libyan friends about the French and Moroccan aliases used by Belhaj five days ahead of the flight.

“I wasn’t allowed a bath for three years and I didn’t see the sun for one year,” he said. “They hung me from the wall and kept me in an isolation cell. I was regularly tortured.”

He added that he was “very surprised that the British got involved in what was a very painful period in my life.”

"Unlike The New York Times, Victor Marchetti and Philip Agee, my complaint has been that the CIA isn't overthrowing enough anti-American governments or assassinating enough anti-American leaders, but I guess I'm getting old."

Miles Copeland was father of Stuart Copeland (The Police drummer) music manager Miles Copeland III, booking agent Ian Copeland, writer/film producer Lorraine (Lennie) Copeland all done quite well in the Zionist controlled industries..

It is patently clear these monsters in the 'Intelligence Services' (oxymoron) are basically in control and the puppet politicians Do as they are told!!

iamawaveofthesea

30-09-2016 07:19 PM

FBI Director Received Millions From Clinton Foundation- His Brother’s Law Firm Does Clinton’s Taxes
By Jennifer Johnson
7:50 AM September 28, 2016

It appears that James Comey did not recommend federal charges against Hillary Clinton, in part because he is connected to the Clinton Foundation through the Swiss bank HSBC.

More than 200 republicans sent a letter demanding to know why he didn’t recommend federal charges against Hillary Clinton over her use of private email servers. Clinton “clearly placed our nation’s secrets in peril,” the letter states. “No one is above the law, and the American people deserve a more robust explanation for your decision to not recommend criminal charges.”

This needs to be seen by all:

Lead FBI agent John Giacalone abruptly resigned in the middle of the investigation in February 2016.
pay-for-play involving the Clinton Foundation were not properly vetted, ultimately white washed
FBI agents were blocked from serving search warrants to retrieve key evidence
FBI agents were not allowed to interrogate witnesses and targets without warning
FBI agents had been trying to interview Clinton since December 2015, approval delayed by top brass
FBI agents believed Clinton case was being “slow-walked” to run-out-the-clock
FBI agents stunned that targets Cheryl Mills and Heather Samuelson were permitted to sit in on Hillary Clinton’s FBI interview.
Clinton and aides cited amnesia. In Clinton’s case she claimed due to medical complications.
Attempts to secure Clinton’s medical records to confirm her head injury were sabotaged by FBI Director James Comey