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I considered putting this in the game day thread, but it seems to warrant its own, since it is a long running debate:

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When the Steelers play the Giants on Sunday, there will be something swirling at New York's MetLife Stadium that has nothing to do with a superstorm. It's the long-running debate over whether Ben Roethlisberger or Eli Manning is the best quarterback from the 2004 draft.

Roethlisberger and Manning are known for winning Super Bowls (they've combined to win four of the eight played since they entered the league). They're known for making big plays in big moments. They're known for being tough, albeit in different ways. And they have been forever linked since the day they were drafted in the first round eight years ago. Manning was selected first overall, and Roethlisberger was taken at No. 11. The margin between them is much, much closer now.

Choosing between Roethlisberger and Manning is difficult because there really isn't a right answer or a wrong one. It ultimately comes down to preference and perspective.

Only reason I'd side with Big Ben slightly on this is because he turns the ball over less. Maybe not early on in his career, but he's making less and less dumb mistakes. Might have to do with the improvement of our offensive line's pass blocking too. Pretty equal though.

I love what Ben & Haley are doing this year. I would say that Eli surpassed Ben over the past couple of years in development but this year shows that Ben can do the little things that make you a great qb, that move the ball and control the clock._________________Do something you love so much you'd gladly do it for free, learn to do it so well, people will gladly pay you for it. - Walt Disney

Still TBD on that trade I think. Either player was notable in 04-05 and Rivers was clearly better from 06-10. If 11-12 Rivers is what he remains then Giants won the trade in the long term though._________________

As of now the Chargers still got an equal or better deal in the trade up to this point since Rivers has been the better player for the majority of the span, and they got decent play from the other picks/players for various amounts of time. That the Chargers weren't a good enough team regardless to get that team to the Super Bowl is a separate issue from the value of the trade._________________