Women Are Better At Everything

Recently in the Wall Street Journal, MarketWatch columnist David Weidner noted that women “do almost everything better” than men — from politics to corporate management to investing.

Weidner cites a new study by Barclays Wealth and Ledbury Research, which found that women were more likely than men to make money in the market, mostly because they didn’t take as many risks. And why are they risk-averse? Because they’re not as overconfident as men, the study found.

The study’s findings backed up those of previous research on the topic: in a 2001 study [PDF] of 35,000 American households with an account at a discount brokerage, financial scholars Brad Barber and Terrance Odean found that women’s risk-adjusted returns beat men’s by 1% annually. A 2005 study by Merrill Lynch found that 35% of women held an investment too long, compared with 47% of men. More recently, in 2009, a study by the mutual fund company Vanguard involving 2.7 million personal investors concluded that during the recent financial crisis, men were more likely than women to sell shares of stocks at all-time lows, leading to bigger losses among male traders. It also meant fewer gains when some of the stock values began to rise again.

What’s the problem with men? “There’s been a lot of academic research suggesting that men think they know what they’re doing, even when they really don’t know what they’re doing,” John Ameriks, the author of the Vanguard study, told the New York Times.

The reason for that overconfidence may come down to biology, research suggests…

Yeah, some can actually… myself, for instance… I’d gladly prove it too but I’d rather not to put a video of myself on the internets for fear of my family seeing it… just requires a little bit of, um, manual interference, pulling back the lips and whatnot… I’ll let you use your imagination there.

wizard troll

But women like confidence and confidence is usually a calculated risk. A small price to pay to fuse with the precious flower. But this is too black and white and rather sexist, there is a lot of beings that are androgynous and fall in the gray area.

wizard troll

But women like confidence and confidence is usually a calculated risk. A small price to pay to fuse with the precious flower. But this is too black and white and rather sexist, there is a lot of beings that are androgynous and fall in the gray area.

wizard troll

there are*

wizard troll

there are*

http://strictlyapathy.comoj.com SoulArbiter

This is an issue that should have been left at school. Gender is irrelevant. It comes down to the capacity and potential each individual has and how they apply themselves to the circumstances and situations. Male chauvinists and feminazis are just big kids who are still fussing over this endless and trivial debate.

http://strictlyapathy.comoj.com/ SoulArbiter

This is an issue that should have been left at school. Gender is irrelevant. It comes down to the capacity and potential each individual has and how they apply themselves to the circumstances and situations. Male chauvinists and feminazis are just big kids who are still fussing over this endless and trivial debate.

Jin The Ninja

i agree with you up to the “feminazi” bit…

Women were and continue to be in an oppressed and disadvantaged position in western society.
There still exists a disparity in wealth, occupation, social mobility, pay, and legal status in context of gender. I myself am a male; however, i identify with many of the critiques provided by radical feminism. “Feminazi” is a co optive and dismissive term used by a certain patriarchy to disenfranchise people with the more anti capitalist critiques of culture provided by radical feminism. There is a legitimate discourse had in radical feminism, i think it is better to dismiss that which is oppressive (chauvinism, misogyny, sexism) than that which is reactionary toward the oppressive (feminism in its multitude of forms).

E.B. Wolf

Thanks for providing an example of how feminazis can be male as well.

Jin The Ninja

Except i didn’t defend militant feminism. I only suggested that the very term “feminazi” was in itself an example of patriarchy, and thus didn’t lend itself to a critique of feminism.

I actually said radical feminism offered a viable critique of society in an anti capitalist context. I didn’t defend the nuances of its ideology.

So i thank YOU for proving chauvinists ARE ignorant and misinformed.

E.B. Wolf

“I identify with many of the critiques provided by radical feminism.”
“There is a legitimate discourse had in radical feminism.”
“I actually said radical feminism offered a viable critique of society in an anti capitalist context.”

Militant feminism, radical feminism: call it what you will, but you did defend it. This includes your labeling of someone (in this case, moi) a chauvinist based on my choice to use the term “feminazi” to describe the extremist elements of the feminist movement.
But while your at it, perhaps you might deign to enlighten this ignorant, uninformed, chauvinist agent of DA PATRIARCHY on just how women are oppressed in regards to legal status or social mobility? While you could actually make a statistical statements in regards to wealth, occupation, and pay; the notion that women are in any way discriminated against with regards to social or legal status is beyond absurd.

i could post hundreds of links in regards to women in other countries. not to mention indigenous women in canada and the us.

E.B. Wolf

RE abortion rights: I personally find the religious right’s anti-choice crusade vile and destructive; but this does not provide any evidence where women as a whole are discriminated against in comparison to men. If anything, women are FAVORED by the law in comparison to men’s reproductive rights. As a man, our only option for avoiding unwanted parenthood is abstinence. http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/17/a-fathers-reproductive-rights/

RE Legal rights: Newsflash! The criminal “justice” system screws people over all the time. That’s not evidence of gender bias.
You know what is? http://creativedestruction.wordpress.com/2006/09/12/prison-sentencing-study-whites-women-non-poor-and-us-citizens-are-given-lighter-sentences/
“Although the bank robbery differential was largest, women received a break on sentencing compared to men ACROSS THE BOARD.” (my emphasis)

While you links do show evidence of women getting a raw deal in modern society, they do not show in any way how that demonstrates favoritism towards men.

That might be something to consider while pondering exactly who is “uninformed, misinformed, or just plain ignorant.”

p.s. in regards to the injustice suffered by women around the world, I’m not in favor of giving U.S. chickenhawks yet another excuse to continue playing World Police. I’ve seen enough of how that game plays out every time.

Tuna Ghost

in regards to the injustice suffered by women around the world, I’m not in favor of giving U.S. chickenhawks yet another excuse to continue playing World Police. I’ve seen enough of how that game plays out every time.

So because its inconvenient, you’re going to ignore it. How very progressive of you.

E.B. Wolf

Good point. Let’s occupy every place on the globe where there’s a perceived injustice so we can enlighten all the savages. I’m sure that will make everything better.

Jin The Ninja

Tuna wasn’t implying military interventionism. At the very least allow us, who do not accept the 2nd class status relegated to women, to identify the oppression without people like you labeling us “feminazis.”

E.B. Wolf

I’ll withdraw the label when you either provide an example where women are discriminated against relative to men in any sort of legal matter or take back the statement.

Ikegently

You have got to be joking.

Tuna Ghost

Why are you pretending the only two options are ignoring the lack of rights for women in developed or undeveloped nations and sending in the US army? You’ve been posting here at least as long as I have; I’ve seen your posts and I know you’re smarter than that. I’m genuinely puzzled as to why you’re clinging to this “feminazi” nonsense, it usually goes hand in hand with the standard bile spouted by the sort of bigots both of us have decried in the past.

E.B. Wolf

OK, perhaps the invasion comment was over the top, but my “clinging to this feminazi nonsense” is due to the fact that there is a large subsection of the feminism movement that is ridiculous in its determination to demonize men, and to brand all women’s issues as being that of oppression by men.

And there is the matter of women’s oppression being one of the latest propaganda campaigns used to justify continued occupation of Middle Eastern countries.The fact of the matter that I was initially trying to illustrate is that there are many situations in modern american society, particularly in legal matters, where being female is a huge perc rather than a handicap.

Brentskinner5

Code Pink loves Hamas.

stevieb71

From what I’ve read, TG is miles more ‘progressive’ than you…

Leeloo

“As a man, our only option for avoiding unwanted parenthood is abstinence.”
There are these things called condoms, perhaps you’ve heard of them. Vasectomy is always an option albeit an extreme one.

E.B. Wolf

Condoms are not a guarantee. If they were, one could imagine the anti’abortion crowd using that same argument to criminalize abortion.

Leeloo

The pill and I.U.D.s aren’t a guarantee either. If you know of a 100% foolproof birth control option specifically for women I’m sure all the ladies would love for you to share. The reason the anti-abortion crowd don’t tend to use condoms or the pill as an argument is because many of them are opposed to birth control in any form, other than the highly effective rhythm method *sarcasm*. The majority of pro-lifers are religious wing nuts who think sex is solely for procreation.

E.B. Wolf

But ladies have options if birth control fails (abortion). Men do not. That was my point; an example where women are favored under the law.

p.s. I agree with you with regard to the pro-life wing nut crowd.

Cloudnearly9

whats beyond absurd is anybody who *needs* to ask just how women are oppressed in regards to legal status or social mobility. obviously someone has chosen not to pay attention, maybe because they falsely assume these issues don’t impact them.

Interesting link to a biology lecture, but it did absolutely nothing to answer my stated question. It didn’t even give a wrong answer.

But it was an interesting lecture.

Alexander-male-btw

emm – sorry but how does that video support your point? it seems to me that she talked about gay rights, which where equal either way (although she didn’t say that men couldn’t marry men, she skirted over that) mentioned that men could be drafted, even though women can’t (seems to be a knotch out of social mobility for men to me.
unless you are talking about countries outside the west, you don’t have a leg to stand on

Jin The Ninja

I wanted to add that i did NOT defend “militant” feminism, which is the ideology that believes women are in every way superior to men, I said I had engaged with and studied to some extent (resulting in identitfication with SOME of the ideas) RADICAL and third world feminism. These are very different than the suppositions of militant feminism. Radical feminism, as i mentioned, believes gender equality may only truly exist in an anti capitalist framework/ society. Third world feminism is the study of localised or indigenous feminisms in the non-western world. They generally believe that division of labour is not equal to oppression, rather they specifically identify oppressive forces as those that commodify and disenfranchise women. It is not dissimilar to globalisation studies. Feminism as a whole is a not a single tradition or canon of study, it looks at gender dynamics, sexual minority issues, civil rights, labour rights, and ethnic studies as all ways to glean insight into the institutionalisation of patriarchal policies. 90% of feminism/ists do NOT believe that women are BETTER than men, but rather relate to the idea that women are undermined and unequal in historical and contemporary society. Being oppressed is NOT the same as thinking your are ABOVE another group. “feminazi” is a dismissive term that should only be applied (if at all) to militant feminists who seek a women dominated society- it should NOT be applied to people who identify with feminism as a legitimate critique of civil rights and social issues.

And as for your comparison of male reproductive issues to women’s: that is extremely juvenile and pedantic, because abortion rights ARE being challenged in nearly EVERY state of the union as we speak. These specifically undermine WOMEN. not only do they undermine women’s reproductive health, but they also undermine women’s health in a larger context, since many poor and working class women and women of colour do NOT have access to health services without places like Planned Parenthood.

I never said that the term “feminazi” be applied to all, or even most, feminists. but there is a significant minority with an axe to grind against men.

p.s. Still waiting for some documentation of women being discriminated against relative to men in any sort of legal matter.

Tuna Ghost

So anyone who challenges the notion that everything is just hunky-dory in western society with regard to the way women are treated is a “feminazi”? Nice.

E.B. Wolf

No. Anyone who concludes any injustice suffered by women in western society is a conspiracy by all men to keep women down is a feminazi.

Jin The Ninja

except that was NOT my assertion. try re-reading what i said.

nice try though.

Tuna Ghost

I don’t think anyone has mentioned “conspiracy”. Its a similar situation to that of privilege and racism. Very few are doing it on purpose, most simply do not see the injustice because its the status quo. “I’m not sexist/racist, I don’t hate women/minorities!” Well no of course you don’t, but that doesn’t mean that you’re not complicit in the structures that discriminate against these groups.

stevieb71

What utter rubbish. I am not sexist, racist and I don’t hate women or minorities, nor am I in any way at all complicit in structures that discriminate against these groups.

First year Sociology major?

Tuna Ghost

Also: its not a conspiracy for reasons I’ve mentioned below, but there is an attitude in place that keeps others from challenging white male supremacy. Its so ingrained that one can go his whole life and have very close relationships with women and never even recognize it, which is pretty much what happens with most men.

E.B. Wolf

White male supremacy is a misleading term in itself. It implies that ALL white males have a privileged place in society that others do not. That’s nowhere near the truth.

Tuna Ghost

No, but all white males have a privilege that non-white and non-males don’t have. Its not as bad nor as obvious as it was in earlier parts of the 20th century (to say nothing of the centuries preceding it) but it still exists. Obviously Oprah is in a much better position than the white poverty stricken redneck down the street, but those two are rarely if ever competing so its a non-issue.

stevieb71

You’re wrong again. It is not a non-issue. And your comment that ALL white males have a privelage that women do not is clearly false. Yes there are thoughs that do and inequality exists for sure. But there are very little systemic discriminations that women face today in the West – as compared to income inequality amongst those who come from money and those that don’t. . Over stating this issue in the face of widespread income inequality (based on systemic corruption) and comparing a multimillionaire woman to a’ poverty-strickenred-neck’ and saying the only issue is that they “are rarely if ever competiing” makes you a ‘femanazi’. Probably sucked into it by taking a feminist sociology course.

Patchi

He didn’t say it was a conspiracy by all men. Any thinking human has to admit that for thousands of years women have been generally relegated to serving men. Recently, this has been changing. And this is a good thing! No human is of lesser value than you. Listen to those who feel oppressed… there might be a legitimate claim in there.

stevieb71

Nobody said that everything for women is “hunky-dory”. Way to throw the red-herring in there. Nice.

Tuna Ghost

It’s hyperbole, not a red herring. The distinction is important.

http://strictlyapathy.comoj.com/ SoulArbiter

You’ve made very valid points, particularly in regards to Western society. I just think that there are bigger things to concern yourself with other than trying to prove which gender is superior to the other.

Jin The Ninja

i totally agree the article is mis directed and i agree with you that it is not worthwhile to play the who is “better” game.

Patchi

That last sentence was clear, concise, and best of all: very true!
Male

JST

As a FTM transgendered individual, this article has put into words what I have long suspected about biological gender differences, if there are any at all. I definitely do not agree that either gender is “better” than the other. I absolutely know for sure the genders are identical and capable of the same emotions/behaviors/etc, except for one thing I have taken specific note of and that is the actual degree of the grasp on “reality.” To generalize, I believe it is “easier” for women to be more grounded and rational than men are, however, this doesn’t mean anything as far as actual intellect. It is much “easier” for males to sort of “fall victim” to their own biology, which can make decisions quite impulsive, reckless, and just overall not as thought out. I have imagined it exactly like the article describes about there being a U-shape response curve in testosterone, that too little isn’t quite right and too much isn’t right either because of the self-sureness effect testosterone has on the brain. This is directly based on myself and my observations of other men just to check and see what the standards are across the board for how I’m expected to behave, not that I agree with it, but you have to know what’s “in the box” to be able to think “outside the box.”. I was most fascinated that men overall tend to think more highly of themselves, regardless of circumstance, compared to that of women, who seem more than willing to beat themselves down. It’s like hormonal bipolarism, in which women seem to have periods of neutrality and periods of extreme lows and men seeming to be neutral to extreme highs. This is a generalization and is not true across the board, of course. I’m trying to say the effect of higher testosterone in males makes it “easier” to believe things about one’s self that aren’t necessarily realistic or true, comparable to that of delusions of grandeur. “I’m super” “I’m big” “I’m powerful,” you won’t find women typically thinking about themselves and this delusion about one’s self can affect decision making in that your decision will reflect what you instinctively believe to be true of yourself, which can be very extreme at times. This may be a good place to put in, also, the phenomenon of males having psychotic episodes in which they believe they are Jesus… there’s something to that.

http://strictlyapathy.comoj.com/ SoulArbiter

That’s a mouthful! But an interesting read nonetheless.

Tuna Ghost

It is much “easier” for males to sort of “fall victim” to their own biology…
Mmmm, I don’t think that is grounded in biology so much as society. Western society (most societies, actually) are much more forgiving when it comes to men “falling victim” to their biology. “I can’t help it, I’m a man, I’m biologically designed to want as many women as possible so I can’t help it if I cheat on you…” It’s bullshit, but people buy it.

But I do intend to bring this article up to my GF the next time she asks me to wash the dishes, take out the garbage, kill a spider, etc. “Sorry honey. I’m just a dumb, incompetent guy. You’ll do a better job than me. How about you make me a superior sandwich while your at it?”

But I do intend to bring this article up to my GF the next time she asks me to wash the dishes, take out the garbage, kill a spider, etc. “Sorry honey. I’m just a dumb, incompetent guy. You’ll do a better job than me. How about you make me a superior sandwich while your at it?”

http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

Now thats a worthwhile point…given that those three careers represent three of the most screwed up segments of American culture…having those be the strongest areas of involvement/success/growth for women is no claim to fame worth cheering over. If anything…it proves that women have taken the reins, stepped up to the plate, and proven that they are completely equal to men in their capacity to f*ck up, screw the pooch, destroy everything they touch and generally conduct themselves like amoral alleycats with rabies.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JR6QMHI5D3L6Z4JJBSAKO4KJBE brock

Or, maybe it just means we wouldn’t be in the shit storm we are if women held a majority in any of those occupations. I’d seriously doubt they’ve got 20% representation in any of those positions.

http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

Two names, man…Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin. Proof that women can rise to power and be as f*cked up and horrible as any man. Let the record show that being cash covered scumbag doesn’t come with a specific gender assignment.

Ronniedobbs

I have always believed this. Women are better at cooking, cleaning, shopping…..

Ronniedobbs

I have always believed this. Women are better at cooking, cleaning, shopping…..

LOL

Everything but being the dominant sex.

LOL

Everything but being the dominant sex.

Guest

“35% of women held an investment too long, compared with 47% of men” … that’s true of my investments in women, lol.

Guest

“35% of women held an investment too long, compared with 47% of men” … that’s true of my investments in women, lol.

XXX

All that’s Bullshit!! Fools can’t You see that Women are taking over the World! This is just another Media step just to do it! Once they do it, who knows what type of World it will be?

XXX

All that’s Bullshit!! Fools can’t You see that Women are taking over the World! This is just another Media step just to do it! Once they do it, who knows what type of World it will be?

Wow

this is not nearly as funny as the others, and kind of boarders on the creepy

Anarchy Pony

A better one?

Wow

this is not nearly as funny as the others, and kind of boarders on the creepy

KxBk6U

That’s quite a jump from “women’s risk-adjusted returns beat men’s by 1% annually” to “women do almost everything better than men”. Sounds like someone’s a bit p***y whipped

KxBk6U

That’s quite a jump from “women’s risk-adjusted returns beat men’s by 1% annually” to “women do almost everything better than men”. Sounds like someone’s a bit p***y whipped

Anonymous

Which is EXACTLY what I tell my girlfriends when I want to get them to do something I’d rather not: “But darling, you’re so much better at this than I am.”

Fortunately or unfortunately, that gambit can work only so often.

Liam_McGonagle

Which is EXACTLY what I tell my girlfriends when I want to get them to do something I’d rather not: “But darling, you’re so much better at this than I am.”

Fortunately or unfortunately, that gambit can work only so often.

Liam_McGonagle

Okay, old hat. This was like the 500th iteration of a tired joke.

holy Krishna

Since when did Time magazine become all knowing? Maybe when George W. Bush became Man of the Year.

holy Krishna

Since when did Time magazine become all knowing? Maybe when George W. Bush became Man of the Year.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4K3KM67XITZTXUE45K42KS4OEE brian

“No, women are superior to men in many ways.That’s right, when it comes to cooking and cleaning……and washing the potatoes, scrubbing the carrots……making the babies, mopping the floors. They have it all over men.I believe that. But when it comes to wrestling…” -Andy Kaufman (during his ‘inter-gender’ wrestling phase)

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_4K3KM67XITZTXUE45K42KS4OEE brian

“No, women are superior to men in many ways.That’s right, when it comes to cooking and cleaning……and washing the potatoes, scrubbing the carrots……making the babies, mopping the floors. They have it all over men.I believe that. But when it comes to wrestling…” -Andy Kaufman (during his ‘inter-gender’ wrestling phase)

O. Spengler

Women are “better at everything” because they make 80% of all consumer purchases. With an eye on pleasing their advertisers, Wall Street Journal, MarketWatch, Time magazine, and the media in general, certainly haven’t failed to notice this statistic.

O. Spengler

Women are “better at everything” because they make 80% of all consumer purchases. With an eye on pleasing their advertisers, Wall Street Journal, MarketWatch, Time magazine, and the media in general, certainly haven’t failed to notice this statistic.

So women are better at everything: did the study measure the ability of females to break through a simple glass ceiling?

DeepCough

So women are better at everything: did the study measure the ability of females to break through a simple glass ceiling?

http://profiles.google.com/saintzedofourlostyouth R Z

i agree with you up to the “feminazi” bit…

Women were and continue to be in an oppressed and disadvantaged position in western society.
There still exists a disparity in wealth, occupation, social mobility, pay, and legal status in context of gender. I myself am a male; however, i identify with many of the critiques provided by radical feminism. “Feminazi” is a co optive and dismissive term used by a certain patriarchy to disenfranchise people with the more anti capitalist critiques of culture provided by radical feminism. There is a legitimate discourse had in radical feminism, i think it is better to dismiss that which is oppressive (chauvinism, misogyny, sexism) than that which is reactionary toward the oppressive (feminism in its multitude of forms).

E.B. Wolf

Thanks for providing an example of how feminazis can be male as well.

http://profiles.google.com/saintzedofourlostyouth R Z

Except i didn’t defend militant feminism. I only suggest the very term “feminazi” was in itself an example of patriarchy, and thus didn’t lend itself to a critique of feminism.

So i think you for proving chauvinists ARE ignorant and unread.

Aquamarine

I guess Beyonce is right…

;’)

Aquamarine

I guess Beyonce is right…

;’)

Joel

This type of female chauvinist garbadge is why there are anti feminist sites like:

The article shows that in order to be a feminist you must be a sexist.

Guest

I am disgusted after checking your links. Call me a feminazi if that makes you feel better, but there’s a lot of talking out of the ass around here, and not a lot of speaking from personal experience.

Let me just start by saying, yes, there are radical, man-hating feminists out there. No, I do not believe they are correct in their sexist views (I personally believe this is just taking the other extremist approach after feeling personally degraded by a man or men in general, and does not address the actual point of the issue).

Also, this article is ridiculous, and there is no “better” sex, and what a waste of time to dispute.

Now, let’s be serious here…there is a lot of woman bashing going on here, and not a lot of woman defending. As stated above by R Z, there are many LEGAL issues concerning the rights of American women…but the very obvious is not being addressed here: Gender discrimination is a problem for women AND men. If you don’t think it affects you, you aren’t paying enough attention. What about when you were first born, and handed a blue blanket or a pink blanket based on your sex? Before you’ve even seen the world around you, you have already been judged based on your sex organ alone, and put on a path that you were not given the RIGHT to choose. How can we possibly know anything about ourselves if we take that to heart, only because it’s what we’ve always known, and “normal”. What about when we throw our children in their bedrooms and give them toys? Things to play “house” with and barbies for girls….firetrucks, “action figures”, and sports for boys. We’re being brainwashed from the get-go. Ladies, you just stand barefoot in the kitchen and have babies (preferably sons, but we’re not going to say that because it would be politically incorrect), and men you get brave and strong so you can go to war and fight for your country and prove yourself valid as a REAL man. It’s disgusting to me to see it tried, and even more disgusting to see it work.

So maybe, the next time you call a women a feminazi for wanting to be considered equal to straight white men, just like every other minority, maybe think about how we’ve all been brainwashed since birth, and even though the rebellion of everything feminine is not the answer, at least the right questions are being asked. Guess what, men can have so-called “feminine” qualities, and women can have so-called “masculine” qualities. It’s all about what we define currently as feminine and masculine, and that can be changed at any time, so maybe we can all just be who we are and stop needing to check for penises to see who is worthwhile, and who is not.

Andrew

“and men you get brave and strong so you can go to war and fight for your country and prove yourself valid as a REAL man.”

Correction: We get to go to war and get killed or maimed or PTSD. And if we cry about it we’re faggots.

Disagree

It’s still your choice to feed into your gender role and if you do, and that happens to be the consequence, it is still nobody else’s fault but your own. Stop your whining and finger pointing and own up and face some responsibilities. And if you’re scared of somebody thinking you’re a faggot, you need to wake the fuck up and stop living your life according to other people’s expectations. What a bunch of scapegoating BS.

I’m…not sure what point you’re attempting to make with those links. That LBGT don’t have it quite as easy in regard to “not living their lives according to other people’s expectations”? What’s the deal with the draft dodging link? I’m really clueless as to what you’re trying to say here.

http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

In 20years of hanging around academia (where feminazis are claimed to abound and prosper) I have only met 1. I’ve seen a lot of stuff taken out of context and used to claim that women are attacking mens rights out of hatred…but I’ve only ever met one highly political/philosophical person who treated me shabbily based on my gender.

Oddly…it was at a spiritualist store near campus…where people generally got along. In the ten minutes it took me to find what I wanted and get in line to pay for it, the same lady had been chatting with the owner since I arrived. When I got tired of waiting and took out a visa card to ‘imply’ that I was ready to pay and leave…I was treated to a several minute dialectical about how my penis was assaulting her vagina based on my straight male hatred and contempt for women’s humanity.

I replied “Sweety…if you think straight guys hate you…wait til you see what they think of me, cause hetero boys hate NO ONE they way they hate a traitor…I may be in a hurry, but you’re barking up the wrong tree to find hatred of women here. I think the only thing that separates you and me is that I have a lot more use for men than you do!”

justagirl

i am laughing at the calloused heels! HA HA!!

justagirl

i am laughing at the calloused heels! HA HA!!

justagirl

i am laughing at the calloused heels! HA HA!!

Anonymous

Okay, old hat. This was like the 500th iteration of a tired joke.

Anonymous

Okay, old hat. This was like the 500th iteration of a tired joke.

E.B. Wolf

“I identify with many of the critiques provided by radical feminism.”
“There is a legitimate discourse had in radical feminism.”
“I actually said radical feminism offered a viable critique of society in an anti capitalist context.”

Militant feminism, radical feminism: call it what you will, but you did defend it. This includes your labeling of someone (in this case, moi) a chauvinist based on my choice to use the term “feminazi” to describe the extremist elements of the feminist movement.
But while your at it, perhaps you might deign to enlighten this ignorant, uninformed, chauvinist agent of DA PATRIARCHY on just how women are oppressed in regards to legal status or social mobility? While you could actually make a statistical statements in regards to wealth, occupation, and pay; the notion that women are in any way discriminated against with regards to social or legal status is beyond absurd.

http://strictlyapathy.comoj.com SoulArbiter

You’ve made very valid points, particularly in regards to Western society. I just think that there are bigger things concern yourself with other than trying to prove which gender is superior to the other.

http://strictlyapathy.comoj.com SoulArbiter

You’ve made very valid points, particularly in regards to Western society. I just think that there are bigger things concern yourself with other than trying to prove which gender is superior to the other.

i could post hundreds of links in regards to women in other countries. not to mention indigenous women in canada and the us.

http://profiles.google.com/saintzedofourlostyouth R Z

i totally agree the article is mis directed and i agree with you that it is not worthwhile to play the who is “better” game.

Cloudnearly9

whats beyond absurd is anybody who *needs* to ask just how women are oppressed in regards to legal status or social mobility. obviously someone has chosen not to pay attention, maybe because they falsely assume these issues don’t impact them.

I am disgusted after checking your links. Call me a feminazi if that makes you feel better, but there’s a lot of talking out of the ass around here, and not a lot of speaking from personal experience.

Let me just start by saying, yes, there are radical, man-hating feminists out there. No, I do not believe they are correct in their sexist views (I personally believe this is just taking the other extremist approach after feeling personally degraded by a man or men in general, and does not address the actual point of the issue).

Also, this article is ridiculous, and there is no “better” sex, and what a waste of time to dispute.

Now, let’s be serious here…there is a lot of woman bashing going on here, and not a lot of woman defending. As stated above by R Z, there are many LEGAL issues concerning the rights of American women…but the very obvious is not being addressed here: Gender discrimination is a problem for women AND men. If you don’t think it affects you, you aren’t paying enough attention. What about when you were first born, and handed a blue blanket or a pink blanket based on your sex? Before you’ve even seen the world around you, you have already been judged based on your sex organ alone, and put on a path that you were not given the RIGHT to choose. How can we possibly know anything about ourselves if we take that to heart, only because it’s what we’ve always known, and “normal”. What about when we throw our children in their bedrooms and give them toys? Things to play “house” with and barbies for girls….firetrucks, “action figures”, and sports for boys. We’re being brainwashed from the get-go. Ladies, you just stand barefoot in the kitchen and have babies (preferably sons, but we’re not going to say that because it would be politically incorrect), and men you get brave and strong so you can go to war and fight for your country and prove yourself valid as a REAL man. It’s disgusting to me to see it tried, and even more disgusting to see it work.

So maybe, the next time you call a women a feminazi for wanting to be considered equal to straight white men, just like every other minority, maybe think about how we’ve all been brainwashed since birth, and even though the rebellion of everything feminine is not the answer, at least the right questions are being asked. Guess what, men can have so-called “feminine” qualities, and women can have so-called “masculine” qualities. It’s all about what we define currently as feminine and masculine, and that can be changed at any time, so maybe we can all just be who we are and stop needing to check for penises to see who is worthwhile, and who is not.

E.B. Wolf

Interesting link to a biology lecture, but it did absolutely nothing to answer my stated question. It didn’t even give a wrong answer.

But it was an interesting lecture.

Andrew

“and men you get brave and strong so you can go to war and fight for your country and prove yourself valid as a REAL man.”

Correction: We get to go to war and get killed or maimed or PTSD. And if we cry about it we’re faggots.

E.B. Wolf

RE abortion rights: I personally find the religious right’s anti-choice crusade vile and destructive; but this does not provide any evidence where women as a whole are discriminated against in comparison to men. If anything, women are FAVORED by the law in comparison to men’s reproductive rights. As a man, our only option for avoiding unwanted parenthood is abstinence. http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/17/a-fathers-reproductive-rights/

RE Legal rights: Newsflash! The criminal “justice” system screws people over all the time. That’s not evidence of gender bias.
You know what is? http://creativedestruction.wordpress.com/2006/09/12/prison-sentencing-study-whites-women-non-poor-and-us-citizens-are-given-lighter-sentences/
“Although the bank robbery differential was largest, women received a break on sentencing compared to men ACROSS THE BOARD.” (my emphasis)

While you links do show evidence of women getting a raw deal in modern society, they do not show in any way how that demonstrates favoritism towards men.

That might be something to consider while pondering exactly who is “uninformed, misinformed, or just plain ignorant.”

Disagree

It’s still your choice to feed into your gender role and if you do, and that happens to be the consequence, it is still nobody else’s fault but your own. Stop your whining and finger pointing and own up and face some responsibilities. And if you’re scared of somebody thinking you’re a faggot, you need to wake the fuck up and stop living your life according to other people’s expectations. What a bunch of scapegoating BS.

JST

As a FTM transgendered individual, this article has put into words what I have long suspected about biological gender differences, if there are any at all. I definitely do not agree that either gender is “better” than the other. I absolutely know for sure the genders are identical and capable of the same emotions/behaviors/etc, except for one thing I have taken specific note of and that is the actual degree of the grasp on “reality.” To generalize, I believe it is “easier” for women to be more grounded and rational than men are, however, this doesn’t mean anything as far as actual intellect. It is much “easier” for males to sort of “fall victim” to their own biology, which can make decisions quite impulsive, reckless, and just overall not as thought out. I have imagined it exactly like the article describes about there being a U-shape response curve in testosterone, that too little isn’t quite right and too much isn’t right either because of the self-sureness effect testosterone has on the brain. This is directly based on myself and my observations of other men just to check and see what the standards are across the board for how I’m expected to behave, not that I agree with it, but you have to know what’s “in the box” to be able to think “outside the box.”. I was most fascinated that men overall tend to think more highly of themselves, regardless of circumstance, compared to that of women, who seem more than willing to beat themselves down. It’s like hormonal bipolarism, in which women seem to have periods of neutrality and periods of extreme lows and men seeming to be neutral to extreme highs. This is a generalization and is not true across the board, of course. I’m trying to say the effect of higher testosterone in males makes it “easier” to believe things about one’s self that aren’t necessarily realistic or true, comparable to that of delusions of grandeur. “I’m super” “I’m big” “I’m powerful,” you won’t find women typically thinking about themselves and this delusion about one’s self can affect decision making in that your decision will reflect what you instinctively believe to be true of yourself, which can be very extreme at times. This may be a good place to put in, also, the phenomenon of males having psychotic episodes in which they believe they are Jesus… there’s something to that.

Tuna Ghost

So anyone who challenges the notion that everything is just hunky-dory in western society with regard to the way women are treated is a “feminazi”? Nice.

Tuna Ghost

in regards to the injustice suffered by women around the world, I’m not in favor of giving U.S. chickenhawks yet another excuse to continue playing World Police. I’ve seen enough of how that game plays out every time.

So because its inconvenient, you’re going to ignore it. How very progressive of you.

amcr88

agreed… sort of

men make rash decisions due to perpetual self-production of confidence…

women make calculated decisions due to perpetual self-production of fear (i.e. losing a job/promotion) when the possibility of risk is involved.

amcr88

agreed… sort of

men make rash decisions due to perpetual self-production of confidence…

women make calculated decisions due to perpetual self-production of fear (i.e. losing a job/promotion) when the possibility of risk is involved.

but really, what i learned from reading this is success comes down to attitude and desire….
So ladies, time to get more aggressive and ambitious.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7NSDHXZVKAFK4SVLFWIQQDXURI Dirk Johnson

I get that. It is also funny that when a man is aggressive and ambitious in the work place he is a “go getter” he “knows what he wants”, he will “fight for it”.. When a woman is? – She is “a bitch”, “pushy”, and “nagging”.

5by5

There are real, biological differences in the way that men and women think.

Men think with either one hemisphere or the other at any one time, whereas women think with both hemispheres of the brain simultaneously, and the corpus callosum which connects the two hemispheres is larger in women allowing for what amounts to greater data transfer between the hemispheres. Essentially, women are dual core and multi-threaded.

Emotionally, women are effected by a monthly cycle that has a larger peak, whereas men too have emotional cycles, except their happen once every 15 minutes, which explains a lot.

However, none of these differences can be said to make either women or men as a GROUP any better or worse at particular tasks. That is highly dependent upon the individual, making this study’s conclusion a heckuva leap.

You can however maintain that women are the stronger sex – tend to live longer, have more stamina, more resistant to disease, can handle nine times as much pain – and that combined with the brain advantages could lead one to make an argument for female superiority.

An argument instantly cut down every time Michelle Bachman opens her mouth. But hopefully she’s just a statistical anomaly. An outlier if you will.

5by5

There are real, biological differences in the way that men and women think.

Men think with either one hemisphere or the other at any one time, whereas women think with both hemispheres of the brain simultaneously, and the corpus callosum which connects the two hemispheres is larger in women allowing for what amounts to greater data transfer between the hemispheres. Essentially, women are dual core and multi-threaded.

Emotionally, women are effected by a monthly cycle that has a larger peak, whereas men too have emotional cycles, except their happen once every 15 minutes, which explains a lot.

However, none of these differences can be said to make either women or men as a GROUP any better or worse at particular tasks. That is highly dependent upon the individual, making this study’s conclusion a heckuva leap.

You can however maintain that women are the stronger sex – tend to live longer, have more stamina, more resistant to disease, can handle nine times as much pain – and that combined with the brain advantages could lead one to make an argument for female superiority.

An argument instantly cut down every time Michelle Bachman opens her mouth. But hopefully she’s just a statistical anomaly. An outlier if you will.

quartz99

Thank you. I wanted to rip this apart but you’ve said it a lot more eloquently than I would have.

At the extremes, there are differences in the genders. But when you talk about the average person, it’s all so much BS. Women aren’t better at the stock market — but they’re not worse either, and _that_ should be the point.

Anonymous

Thank you. I wanted to rip this apart but you’ve said it a lot more eloquently than I would have.

At the extremes, there are differences in the genders. But when you talk about the average person, it’s all so much BS. Women aren’t better at the stock market — but they’re not worse either, and _that_ should be the point.

Rant93

If women are better at everything, why are they letting themselves be oppressed by the stupider more useless gender?

Rant93

If women are better at everything, why are they letting themselves be oppressed by the stupider more useless gender?

Mr. Coffee

First they came for my G.I. Joes, but I played with Ninja Turtles so I didn’t say anything.

Mr. Coffee

First they came for my G.I. Joes, but I played with Ninja Turtles so I didn’t say anything.

Ignorant males. I’m glad I know a few that don’t fall into the same category as some of the ones who have commented here.

2by42thebrain

Ignorant males. I’m glad I know a few that don’t fall into the same category as some of the ones who have commented here.

http://profiles.google.com/saintzedofourlostyouth R Z

I wanted to add that i did NOT defend “militant” feminism, which is the ideology that believes women are in every way superior to men, I said I had engaged with and studied to some extent (resulting in identitfication with SOME of the ideas) RADICAL and third world feminism. These are very different than the suppositions of militant feminism. Radical feminism, as i mentioned, believes gender equality may only truly exist in an anti capitalist framework/ society. Third world feminism is the study of localised or indigenous feminisms in the non-western world. They generally believe that division of labour is not equal to oppression, rather they specifically identify oppressive forces as those that commodify and disenfranchise women. It is not dissimilar to globalisation studies. Feminism as a whole is a not a single tradition or canon of study, it looks at gender dynamics, sexual minority issues, civil rights, labour rights, and ethnic studies as all ways to glean insight into the institutionalisation of patriarchal policies. 90% of feminism/ists do NOT believe that women are BETTER than men, but rather relate to the idea that women are undermined and unequal in historical and contemporary society. Being oppressed is NOT the same as thinking your are ABOVE another group. “feminazi” is a dismissive term that should only be applied (if at all) to militant feminists who seek a women dominated society- it should NOT be applied to people who identify with feminism as a legitimate critique of civil rights and social issues.

And as for your comparison of male reproductive issues to women’s: that is extremely juvenile and pedantic, because abortion rights ARE being challenged in nearly EVERY state of the union as we speak. These specifically undermine WOMEN. not only do they undermine women’s reproductive health, but they also undermine women’s health in a larger context, since many poor and working class women and women of colour do NOT have access to health services without places like Planned Parenthood.

http://strictlyapathy.comoj.com SoulArbiter

That’s a mouthful! But an interesting read nonetheless.

E.B. Wolf

Good point. Let’s occupy every place on the globe where there’s a perceived injustice so we can enlighten all the savages. I’m sure that will make everything better.

E.B. Wolf

No. Anyone who concludes any injustice suffered by women in western society is a conspiracy by all men to keep women down is a feminazi.

Fungusamongus

“I don’t know what we’re yelling about!!!”

Fungusamongus

“I don’t know what we’re yelling about!!!”

http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

Now thats a worthwhile point…given that those three careers represent three of the most screwed up segments of American culture…having those be the strongest areas of involvement/success/growth for women is no claim to fame worth cheering over. If anything…it proves that women have taken the reins, stepped up to the plate, and proven that they are completely equal to men in their capacity to f*ck up, screw the pooch, destroy everything they touch and generally conduct themselves like amoral alleycats with rabies.

http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

yeah…but can they spell their name in the snow???

http://profiles.google.com/saintzedofourlostyouth R Z

except that was NOT my assertion. try re-reading what i said.

nice try though.

http://profiles.google.com/saintzedofourlostyouth R Z

Tuna wasn’t implying military interventionism. At the very least allow us, who do not accept the 2nd class status relegated to women, to identify the oppression without people like you labeling us “feminazis.”

comical apes

Women are taking over the world? That explains alot.

comical apes

Women are taking over the world? That explains alot.

Tuna Ghost

Why are you pretending the only two options are ignoring the lack of rights for women in developed or undeveloped nations and sending in the US army? You’ve been posting here at least as long as I have; I’ve seen your posts and I know you’re smarter than that. I’m genuinely puzzled as to why you’re clinging to this “feminazi” nonsense, it usually goes hand in hand with the standard bile spouted by the sort of bigots both of us have decried in the past.

Tuna Ghost

I don’t think anyone has mentioned “conspiracy”. Its a similar situation to that of privilege and racism. Very few are doing it on purpose, most simply do not see the injustice because its the status quo. “I’m not sexist/racist, I don’t hate women/minorities!” Well no of course you don’t, but that doesn’t mean that you’re not complicit in the structures that discriminate against these groups.

Tuna Ghost

Also: its not a conspiracy for reasons I’ve mentioned below, but there is an attitude in place that keeps others from challenging white male supremacy. Its so ingrained that one can go his whole life and have very close relationships with women and never even recognize it, which is pretty much what happens with most men.

tooCents

If you look at history there is the weird situation of most important thinkers, political rulers, artists, religious leaders, philosophers, musicians, writers, spiritual teachers, inventors, etc. being male.
I bet somebody will disagree with this statement.

http://twitter.com/gephsy SIMPLY GEPHSY3

I bet there was a woman behind a lot of those, because women weren’t taken seriously and/or viewed as inferior to men in the past

tooCents

Actually I think the idea that women were simply viewed as “inferior” is total bullshit. Women were viewed as different than men, more often than not. The fact that women usually did not have the same political and social roles as men in societies of the past is taken by many contemporary people to mean women were viewed as inferior.
Edit: the thing with betting is that it means a lack of certainty due to a lack of evidence.

Leetahlee

I take issue with the whole “battle of the sexes” notion, and the “one-upping” that the well-noted quotation (by a man) chosen by the author (a woman) has prompted. Seriously. And with the name-calling and generalizations based on sex, or gender.

As an egalitarian, I recognize that a lot of the well-intended “fixes” for inequality toward women sometimes engenders resentment on the part of men, and I try to advocate for solutions that don’t tip the scales from one side to the other. But fighting back by suggesting that women aren’t being discriminated against anymore, or never were in the first place demonstrates at least a serious gap in knowledge about the issues and even basic history. There’s plenty of evidence just from the past century in the US alone that indicates women were viewed as inferior and not taken seriously, without even counting other countries/cultures:

In response to another poster who suggested that legally women are advantaged over men, I’m sure you probably could point to a few advantages. That goes back to the “fixes” I mentioned earlier. On the whole, however, women still have to fight a lot harder just to get the same rights as men in the workplace such as salary, benefits, advancement, and representation in leadership (i.e., executive boards). Women face insidious things like harassment, a lack of women mentors and being taken less seriously. Socially, they are targeted for violence, have greater rates of poverty and are routinely exploited as sex objects in virtually all forms of media.

Changing discriminatory practices is not simply a matter of signing a bill into law. It’s also a matter of executing that law fairly and consistently, and changing a society that makes assumptions about men and women based on stereotypes. I don’t think most women expect to have everything work to their advantage in all things, or even to have everything be exactly equal in every area of life (we’re not in heaven yet).

But just because some issues have been addressed, or just because the problem is such a huge one doesn’t give a person carte blanche to dismiss the issue as resolved, or conversely, unresolvable. Discrimination is glaringly obvious when you see how low a percentage of women hold positions of leadership compared to how many of them are working in the same company at lower levels, across multiple industries. It’s obvious when 1.5 MILLION women try to bring Wal-Mart to court for discriminatory practices, and Bayer employees do the same. It’s obvious when you see several people’s salaries while working on a spreadsheet project at work, and every single man is paid TWICE what the women are, while all hold the same title and boast equivalent experience and education.

On the contrary, it’s precisely these blatant injustices that should have the many wonderful men out there with their wives, daughters, sisters, etc. protesting and petitioning for change. The EEOC can only handle so many cases. They’re underfunded and understaffed. This puts the burden on the person or group that has experienced the discrimination to put their own neck(s) out. And that’s a big part of why the discrimination continues: there’s little support to be had when trying to fight for what you deserve. That’s why women are so vehement about this: they want their men’s support. Maybe not all of them go about it the best way. But why throw out the baby with the bathwater?

tooCents

You could have made your point in and included many of your justifications with 1/4 the words used. As to the inequality thing; I was exaggerating, just like I see people exaggerate how horrible men are and how ‘simple’, black and white, the issue of “inequality” of the sexes is.
Anyway, sometimes I wish women would takeover the more traditional roles of men so I can stay at home and take care of kids, cook, clean, etc. The best deal back-in-the-day and STILL is to be born a little pretty rich girl. They are so oppressed! Little Princess. For women beauty is power, unless they’re super stupid and/or emotionally crippled. If on a scale of 1 -10 a chick is a even an 8 but surely a 9 or 10… cha-ching. Rich Man money is your entitlement.

Anonymous

If you look at history there is the weird situation of most important thinkers, political rulers, artists, religious leaders, philosophers, musicians, writers, spiritual teachers, inventors, etc. being male.
I bet somebody will disagree with this statement.

Tuna Ghost

Shit I can do that in braille, I’d like to see a woman do THAT

Tuna Ghost

I’m…not sure what point you’re attempting to make with those links. That LBGT don’t have it quite as easy in regard to “not living their lives according to other people’s expectations”? What’s the deal with the draft dodging link? I’m really clueless as to what you’re trying to say here.

Tuna Ghost

It is much “easier” for males to sort of “fall victim” to their own biology…
Mmmm, I don’t think that is grounded in biology so much as society. Western society (most societies, actually) are much more forgiving when it comes to men “falling victim” to their biology. “I can’t help it, I’m a man, I’m biologically designed to want as many women as possible so I can’t help it if I cheat on you…” It’s bullshit, but people buy it.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_7NSDHXZVKAFK4SVLFWIQQDXURI Dirk Johnson

I get that. It is also funny that when a man is aggressive and ambitious in the work place he is a “go getter” he “knows what he wants”, he will “fight for it”.. When a woman is? – She is “a bitch”, “pushy”, and “nagging”.

Leeloo

“As a man, our only option for avoiding unwanted parenthood is abstinence.”
There are these things called condoms, perhaps you’ve heard of them. Vasectomy is always an option albeit an extreme one.

obsidian merc5000

no because men are confident not overconfident….anyone can be confident but since the beginning of time women have taken care of the child they bore [only natural] and did whatever was the customary thing for women to do and men went to war raised farms went to work bla bla bla
and then the united states government thought ”hey wouldnt it be a great idea to double our standing armies ,double our income tax return to the fed and double our workforce?” and how would you do that ?we could get the women to do it and we would call it ”WOMEN’S LIBERATION” but women never had it easier and now they are understanding how difficult it is to live in a man’s world.in the daytime i see women walking around enjoying themselves while shopping and being normal women BECAUSE THEIR MEN ARE AT WORK!

http://twitter.com/gephsy SIMPLY GEPHSY3

the point is we DONT NEED A MAN TO TAKE CARE OF US.. for what if we do it better

obsidian merc5000

no because men are confident not overconfident….anyone can be confident but since the beginning of time women have taken care of the child they bore [only natural] and did whatever was the customary thing for women to do and men went to war raised farms went to work bla bla bla
and then the united states government thought ”hey wouldnt it be a great idea to double our standing armies ,double our income tax return to the fed and double our workforce?” and how would you do that ?we could get the women to do it and we would call it ”WOMEN’S LIBERATION” but women never had it easier and now they are understanding how difficult it is to live in a man’s world.in the daytime i see women walking around enjoying themselves while shopping and being normal women BECAUSE THEIR MEN ARE AT WORK!

obsidian merc5000

no because men are confident not overconfident….anyone can be confident but since the beginning of time women have taken care of the child they bore [only natural] and did whatever was the customary thing for women to do and men went to war raised farms went to work bla bla bla
and then the united states government thought ”hey wouldnt it be a great idea to double our standing armies ,double our income tax return to the fed and double our workforce?” and how would you do that ?we could get the women to do it and we would call it ”WOMEN’S LIBERATION” but women never had it easier and now they are understanding how difficult it is to live in a man’s world.in the daytime i see women walking around enjoying themselves while shopping and being normal women BECAUSE THEIR MEN ARE AT WORK!

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JR6QMHI5D3L6Z4JJBSAKO4KJBE brock

Or, maybe it just means we wouldn’t be in the shit storm we are if women held a majority in any of those occupations. I’d seriously doubt they’ve got 20% representation in any of those positions.

http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

Two names, man…Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin. Proof that women can rise to power and be as f*cked up and horrible as any man. Let the record show that being cash covered scumbag doesn’t come with a specific gender assignment.

http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

In 20years of hanging around academia (where feminazis are claimed to abound and prosper) I have only met 1. I’ve seen a lot of stuff taken out of context and used to claim that women are attacking mens rights out of hatred…but I’ve only ever met one highly political/philosophical person who treated me shabbily based on my gender.

Oddly…it was at a spiritualist store near campus…where people generally got along. In the ten minutes it took me to find what I wanted and get in line to pay for it, the same lady had been chatting with the owner since I arrived. When I got tired of waiting and took out a visa card to ‘imply’ that I was ready to pay and leave…I was treated to a several minute dialectical about how my penis was assaulting her vagina based on my straight male hatred and contempt for women’s humanity.

I replied “Sweety…if you think straight guys hate you…wait til you see what they think of me, cause hetero boys hate NO ONE they way they hate a traitor…I may be in a hurry, but you’re barking up the wrong tree to find hatred of women here. I think the only thing that separates you and me is that I have a lot more use for men than you do!”

http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

In 20years of hanging around academia (where feminazis are claimed to abound and prosper) I have only met 1. I’ve seen a lot of stuff taken out of context and used to claim that women are attacking mens rights out of hatred…but I’ve only ever met one highly political/philosophical person who treated me shabbily based on my gender.

Oddly…it was at a spiritualist store near campus…where people generally got along. In the ten minutes it took me to find what I wanted and get in line to pay for it, the same lady had been chatting with the owner since I arrived. When I got tired of waiting and took out a visa card to ‘imply’ that I was ready to pay and leave…I was treated to a several minute dialectical about how my penis was assaulting her vagina based on my straight male hatred and contempt for women’s humanity.

I replied “Sweety…if you think straight guys hate you…wait til you see what they think of me, cause hetero boys hate NO ONE they way they hate a traitor…I may be in a hurry, but you’re barking up the wrong tree to find hatred of women here. I think the only thing that separates you and me is that I have a lot more use for men than you do!”

Anonymous

I think that woman has been work in any every field.Woman can be do anything in any field.

I am agree with this. It’s really a great information that a woman is better in everything. She has a great power and patient. She can do anything in this world.http://goloco.org/users/93Z1trd

Jack Flanagan

I’m A former Marine a Korean vet an I am not a wimp I’m as tough as they come.I’ve been married to the same women for 56 years.
I’ve always said women are a lot smarter than men. I’m voting for a women president I also like Sara.
The men that run this country have a one track mind all they want to do is look up a women’s skirt not all of them but to dam many of them.
Sincerely’ Jack Flanagan

Raygun

Grow a pair bub.

Jack Flanagan

I’m A former Marine a Korean vet an I am not a wimp I’m as tough as they come.I’ve been married to the same women for 56 years.
I’ve always said women are a lot smarter than men. I’m voting for a women president I also like Sara.
The men that run this country have a one track mind all they want to do is look up a women’s skirt not all of them but to dam many of them.
Sincerely’ Jack Flanagan

jfk

i hate the differences between men and women, (male,17) ever since i was a very young kid i disliked that men (then boys/girls) and women couldnt be equal on everything. i truely cant stand that there are male dominated activitys, but it goes the other way too. i hate when women (as a whole) are better at certain things men are not.

tooCents

Just curious why you hate that there are differences between women and men?

jfk

i hate the differences between men and women, (male,17) ever since i was a very young kid i disliked that men (then boys/girls) and women couldnt be equal on everything. i truely cant stand that there are male dominated activitys, but it goes the other way too. i hate when women (as a whole) are better at certain things men are not.

Veronica Hayes

YES YES YES i was totally just thinking the SAME thing!

Anonymous

Just curious why you hate that there are differences between women and men?

Thejakeyl88

Gender is an issue when you have them putting synthetic estrogen in almost all products, basically the castration of our society began long ago, throwing out stuff like this all the time just cements the propaganda.

Thejakeyl88

Gender is an issue when you have them putting synthetic estrogen in almost all products, basically the castration of our society began long ago, throwing out stuff like this all the time just cements the propaganda.

Thejakeyl88

I still can’t believe people try to make us out to be so damn evil when woman in our society have had it best compared to the rest of the world for a long time. Give it a rest.

Thejakeyl88

I still can’t believe people try to make us out to be so damn evil when woman in our society have had it best compared to the rest of the world for a long time. Give it a rest.

Thejakeyl88

Almost every post here has name calling in it, no matter how hard you try to hide it, using bigger words to call someone a name because you are mad, jeesh.

Thejakeyl88

Almost every post here has name calling in it, no matter how hard you try to hide it, using bigger words to call someone a name because you are mad, jeesh.

E.B. Wolf

OK, perhaps the invasion comment was over the top, but my “clinging to this feminazi nonsense” is due to the fact that there is a large subsection of the feminism movement that is ridiculous in its determination to demonize men, and to brand all women’s issues as being that of oppression by men.

And there is the matter of women’s oppression being one of the latest propaganda campaigns used to justify continued occupation of Middle Eastern countries.The fact of the matter that I was initially trying to illustrate is that there are many situations in modern american society, particularly in legal matters, where being female is a huge perc rather than a handicap.

E.B. Wolf

Condoms are not a guarantee. If they were, one could imagine the anti’abortion crowd using that same argument to criminalize abortion.

I never said that the term “feminazi” be applied to all, or even most, feminists. but there is a significant minority with an axe to grind against men.

p.s. Still waiting for some documentation of women being discriminated against relative to men in any sort of legal matter.

Leeloo

The pill and I.U.D.s aren’t a guarantee either. If you know of a 100% foolproof birth control option specifically for women I’m sure all the ladies would love for you to share. The reason the anti-abortion crowd don’t tend to use condoms or the pill as an argument is because many of them are opposed to birth control in any form, other than the highly effective rhythm method *sarcasm*. The majority of pro-lifers are religious wing nuts who think sex is solely for procreation.

Alexander-male-btw

emm – sorry but how does that video support your point? it seems to me that she talked about gay rights, which where equal either way (although she didn’t say that men couldn’t marry men, she skirted over that) mentioned that men could be drafted, even though women can’t (seems to be a knotch out of social mobility for men to me.
unless you are talking about countries outside the west, you don’t have a leg to stand on

E.B. Wolf

White male supremacy is a misleading term in itself. It implies that ALL white males have a privileged place in society that others do not. That’s nowhere near the truth.

E.B. Wolf

But ladies have options if birth control fails (abortion). Men do not. That was my point; an example where women are favored under the law.

p.s. I agree with you with regard to the pro-life wing nut crowd.

E.B. Wolf

I’ll withdraw the label when you either provide an example where women are discriminated against relative to men in any sort of legal matter or take back the statement.

Brentskinner5

Code Pink loves Hamas.

Tuna Ghost

No, but all white males have a privilege that non-white and non-males don’t have. Its not as bad nor as obvious as it was in earlier parts of the 20th century (to say nothing of the centuries preceding it) but it still exists. Obviously Oprah is in a much better position than the white poverty stricken redneck down the street, but those two are rarely if ever competing so its a non-issue.

Sandwich

One girl asked on FB… What is the best comeback when I guy tells you to make him a sandwich.
One of the replies was…. You better come back with a goddamn sandwich!

Sandwich

One girl asked on FB… What is the best comeback when I guy tells you to make him a sandwich.
One of the replies was…. You better come back with a goddamn sandwich!

Raygun

Grow a pain bub

http://profiles.google.com/epicfloyd Drexel Floyd

True. So lets let the women run everything, while we guys can go to the bar and drink brewskis, play pool and football, and just basically have fun all day for the rest of our lives until the women need us for breeding purposes. I don’t know about you but that sounds like an ok world to me.

http://profiles.google.com/epicfloyd Drexel Floyd

True. So lets let the women run everything, while we guys can go to the bar and drink brewskis, play pool and football, and just basically have fun all day for the rest of our lives until the women need us for breeding purposes. I don’t know about you but that sounds like an ok world to me.

Ragnarok

All I can say is that men are more compulsive and women are more emotional and certain duties in life require more of one then the other. Not to say there are not emotional men and compulsive women. It is just the fact that women take more of a personal connection between the effects of their decision more so than men from what I have seen. This is just my general view but I think women are better at some positions and men in others and until we stop thinking any one gender is superior we will get no where on this spinning rock.

Ragnarok

All I can say is that men are more compulsive and women are more emotional and certain duties in life require more of one then the other. Not to say there are not emotional men and compulsive women. It is just the fact that women take more of a personal connection between the effects of their decision more so than men from what I have seen. This is just my general view but I think women are better at some positions and men in others and until we stop thinking any one gender is superior we will get no where on this spinning rock.

Feminism is just a foolish fad. When the economy tanks women will finally realize that everything that enabled them to rise to the top was made by men. And men will have to put it all back together. When disaster strikes, women scream for men…not other women…to save them and their children. Think about it.

Will

Feminism is just a foolish fad. When the economy tanks women will finally realize that everything that enabled them to rise to the top was made by men. And men will have to put it all back together. When disaster strikes, women scream for men…not other women…to save them and their children. Think about it.

Will

Feminism is just a foolish fad. When the economy tanks women will finally realize that everything that enabled them to rise to the top was made by men. And men will have to put it all back together. When disaster strikes, women scream for men…not other women…to save them and their children. Think about it.

http://twitter.com/gephsy SIMPLY GEPHSY3

the point is we DONT NEED A MAN TO TAKE CARE OF US.. for what if we do it better

http://twitter.com/gephsy SIMPLY GEPHSY3

I bet there was a woman behind a lot of those, because women weren’t taken seriously and/or viewed as inferior to men in the past

NotThatAnonymous

I could be a progressive were it not for the constant misandry.

NotThatAnonymous

I could be a progressive were it not for the constant misandry.

Anonymous

Actually I think the idea that women were simply viewed as “inferior” is total bullshit. Women were viewed as different than men, more often than not. The fact that women usually did not have the same political and social roles as men in societies of the past is taken by many contemporary people to mean women were viewed as inferior.
Edit: the thing with betting is that it means a lack of certainty due to a lack of evidence.

Bloodsexandviolence

is it me or all the women stacked in this line up?

Bloodsexandviolence

is it me or all the women stacked in this line up?

Joeyaburnette

then why do you have to say it?

Joeyaburnette

then why do you have to say it?

Anonymous

Nobody said that everything for women is “hunky-dory”. Way to throw the red-herring in there. Nice.

Anonymous

You’re wrong again. It is not a non-issue. And your comment that ALL white males have a privelage that women do not is clearly false. Yes there are thoughs that do and inequality exists for sure. But there are very little systemic discriminations that women face today in the West – as compared to income inequality amongst those who come from money and those that don’t. . Over stating this issue in the face of widespread income inequality (based on systemic corruption) and comparing a multimillionaire woman to a’ poverty-strickenred-neck’ and saying the only issue is that they “are rarely if ever competiing” makes you a ‘femanazi’. Probably sucked into it by taking a feminist sociology course.

Anonymous

What utter rubbish. I am not sexist, racist and I don’t hate women or minorities, nor am I in any way at all complicit in structures that discriminate against these groups.

First year Sociology major?

stevieb71

Your point would be what exactly? Hamas is the democratically elected government of the Palestinians. And they are a resistance movement fighting against the internationally recognized illegal occupation of their homeland by American, European and ME Zionist Jews. I should add that it’s well established that Zionism is a fascist, racist system whereby only Jewish people have full democratic rights in a land that was majority Arab Muslim Christian for thousands of years..

stevieb71

Sorry. That was supposed to be a reply to a comment about Code Pink and Hamas….

Anonymous

Your point would be what exactly? Hamas is the democratically elected government of the Palestinians. And they are a resistance movement fighting against the internationally recognized illegal occupation of their homeland by American, European and ME Zionist Jews. I should add that it’s well established that Zionism is a fascist, racist system whereby only Jewish people have full democratic rights…

Anonymous

Sorry. That was supposed to be a reply to a comment about Code Pink and Hamas….

Anonymous

From what I’ve read, TG is miles more ‘progressive’ than you…

Tuna Ghost

It’s hyperbole, not a red herring. The distinction is important.

http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZOIMLIPRB2LC2AL5SOURAL4DJ4 Womiktorn Smith

Yes, there is no harm is saying so because woman have been giving their best at any stage.And definitely.. they deserve for this complement.

I take issue with the whole “battle of the sexes” notion, and the “one-upping” that the well-noted quotation (by a man) chosen by the author (a woman) has prompted. Seriously. And with the name-calling and generalizations based on sex, or gender.

As an egalitarian, I recognize that a lot of the well-intended “fixes” for inequality toward women sometimes engenders resentment on the part of men, and I try to advocate for solutions that don’t tip the scales from one side to the other. But fighting back by suggesting that women aren’t being discriminated against anymore, or never were in the first place demonstrates at least a serious gap in knowledge about the issues and even basic history. There’s plenty of evidence just from the past century in the US alone that indicates women were viewed as inferior and not taken seriously, without even counting other countries/cultures:

In response to another poster who suggested that legally women are advantaged over men, I’m sure you probably could point to a few advantages. That goes back to the “fixes” I mentioned earlier. On the whole, however, women still have to fight a lot harder just to get the same rights as men in the workplace such as salary, benefits, advancement, and representation in leadership (i.e., executive boards). Women face insidious things like harassment, a lack of women mentors and being taken less seriously. Socially, they are targeted for violence, have greater rates of poverty and are routinely exploited as sex objects in virtually all forms of media.

Changing discriminatory practices is not simply a matter of signing a bill into law. It’s also a matter of executing that law fairly and consistently, and changing a society that makes assumptions about men and women based on stereotypes. I don’t think most women expect to have everything work to their advantage in all things, or even to have everything be exactly equal in every area of life (we’re not in heaven yet).

But just because some issues have been addressed, or just because the problem is such a huge one doesn’t give a person carte blanche to dismiss the issue as resolved, or conversely, unresolvable. Discrimination is glaringly obvious when you see how low a percentage of women hold positions of leadership compared to how many of them are working in the same company at lower levels, across multiple industries. It’s obvious when 1.5 MILLION women try to bring Wal-Mart to court for discriminatory practices, and Bayer employees do the same. It’s obvious when you see several people’s salaries while working on a spreadsheet project at work, and every single man is paid TWICE what the women are, while all hold the same title and boast equivalent experience and education.

On the contrary, it’s precisely these blatant injustices that should have the many wonderful men out there with their wives, daughters, sisters, etc. protesting and petitioning for change. The EEOC can only handle so many cases. They’re underfunded and understaffed. This puts the burden on the person or group that has experienced the discrimination to put their own neck(s) out. And that’s a big part of why the discrimination continues: there’s little support to be had when trying to fight for what you deserve. That’s why women are so vehement about this: they want their men’s support. Maybe not all of them go about it the best way. But why throw out the baby with the bathwater?

Anonymous

You could have made your point in and included many of your justifications with 1/4 the words used. As to the inequality thing; I was exaggerating, just like I see people exaggerate how horrible men are and how ‘simple’, black and white, the issue of “inequality” of the sexes is.
Anyway, sometimes I wish women would takeover the more traditional roles of men so I can stay at home and take care of kids, cook, clean, etc. The best deal back-in-the-day and STILL is to be born a little pretty rich girl. They are so oppressed! Little Princess. For women beauty is power, unless they’re super stupid and/or emotionally crippled. If on a scale of 1 -10 a chick is a even an 8 but surely a 9 or 10… cha-ching. Rich Man money is your entitlement.

Anonymous

You could have made your point in and included many of your justifications with 1/4 the words used. As to the inequality thing; I was exaggerating, just like I see people exaggerate how horrible men are and how ‘simple’, black and white, the issue of “inequality” of the sexes is.
Anyway, sometimes I wish women would takeover the more traditional roles of men so I can stay at home and take care of kids, cook, clean, etc. The best deal back-in-the-day and STILL is to be born a little pretty rich girl. They are so oppressed! Little Princess. For women beauty is power, unless they’re super stupid and/or emotionally crippled. If on a scale of 1 -10 a chick is a even an 8 but surely a 9 or 10… cha-ching. Rich Man money is your entitlement.

Old Soul

A better one?

Reddendouble

how can anyone say they r held down and not treated fair…have u ever had the cops call for domestic disturbance??? who goes to jail???? have you ever had a child???who automatically gets custody????and even if u get joint custody 5050 who still has to pay child support????have you ever applied for any kind of assistance from the government???? i can tell u who automatically gets approved. food stamps….section 8…..wic….babysitter vouchers….grants…..no questions asked…..there r sooooo many laws and practices designed to help and protect women and still u complain….this will sound funny but be a white male in need of assistance and see what it gets u…..quit bitchin bitches

Reddendouble

how can anyone say they r held down and not treated fair…have u ever had the cops call for domestic disturbance??? who goes to jail???? have you ever had a child???who automatically gets custody????and even if u get joint custody 5050 who still has to pay child support????have you ever applied for any kind of assistance from the government???? i can tell u who automatically gets approved. food stamps….section 8…..wic….babysitter vouchers….grants…..no questions asked…..there r sooooo many laws and practices designed to help and protect women and still u complain….this will sound funny but be a white male in need of assistance and see what it gets u…..quit bitchin bitches

http://www.facebook.com/amber.lipczynski Amber Lipczynski

Yeah, some can actually… myself, for instance… I’d gladly prove it too but I’d rather not to put a video of myself on the internets for fear of my family seeing it… just requires a little bit of, um, manual interference, pulling back the lips and whatnot… I’ll let you use your imagination there.

http://www.facebook.com/amber.lipczynski Amber Lipczynski

I’m sure I could do that too, if only I knew braille. LMAO

Surrealias

On a personal note… I know [i]plenty[/i] of women who are much harder workers (and much more willing to do the work without whining about it) than most of the men I know.

Surrealias

On a personal note… I know [i]plenty[/i] of women who are much harder workers (and much more willing to do the work without whining about it) than most of the men I know.

That last sentence was clear, concise, and best of all: very true!
Male

Patchi

He didn’t say it was a conspiracy by all men. Any thinking human has to admit that for thousands of years women have been generally relegated to serving men. Recently, this has been changing. And this is a good thing! No human is of lesser value than you. Listen to those who feel oppressed… there might be a legitimate claim in there.

DoctorG

I’m a behavioral neuroscientist, and can tell you that this is, as we say in sciencey circles, a load of poo. If you look at the source literature, the authors of said studies are overwhelmingly female, and very often in women’s studies programs at their respective institutions. Along with the bogus “1 in 4″ rape statistic, it’s fodder for media outlets and women’s study sections. Real scientists don’t even pause over much of the published materials in journals endemic to these studies.

Biggus23x

“the authors of said studies are overwhelmingly female”

So, on this logic, any study which shows men to be superior at anything can be safely ignored if the authors are male?

“Along with the bogus “1 in 4″ rape statistic”

You’re claiming this is false? What is the true figure and how do you know, please?

“Real scientists don’t even pause over much of the published materials in journals endemic to these studies.”

Really? On what basis do you dismiss this research?

DoctorG

I’m a behavioral neuroscientist, and can tell you that this is, as we say in sciencey circles, a load of poo. If you look at the source literature, the authors of said studies are overwhelmingly female, and very often in women’s studies programs at their respective institutions. Along with the bogus “1 in 4″ rape statistic, it’s fodder for media outlets and women’s study sections. Real scientists don’t even pause over much of the published materials in journals endemic to these studies.

Biggus23x

“the authors of said studies are overwhelmingly female”

So, on this logic, any study which shows men to be superior at anything can be safely ignored if the authors are male?

“Along with the bogus “1 in 4″ rape statistic”

You’re claiming this is false? What is the true figure and how do you know, please?

“Real scientists don’t even pause over much of the published materials in journals endemic to these studies.”

Really? On what basis do you dismiss this research?

Betty Greenway

Of course women are better at everything. From multi tasking to caring for other, plus we look better in heels!

Betty Greenway

Of course women are better at everything. From multi tasking to caring for other, plus we look better in heels!