371AVG 5 bombs 14ribbies and a 1.138 OPS in 15 games back at ColumbusStill needs to learn to be patient in the bigs and swing at his pitch but it's good to see that he has had a good attitude toward the demotion and mashed.

Although I'm in favour of leaving him there until the All-Star break to be honest. There's no need to call him up given our bench and Reynolds' play at third (Chis has 6 errors in his 15 games back at AAA)I try to remain optimistic and hope for the 20-25HR 80RBI .275AVG player we were expecting at the ML level

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Columbus is considered a very good hitter's ballpark. So the question is....is there any reason to think that a guy who hits .290/.885ish in Columbus will be able to hit big league pitching well enough to justify starting at a corner infield position?

There seems to be a pretty big jump from AAA to the bigs in terms of quality of pitching. I'm not sure a .285/.885 guy at Columbus is going to hit up here. However, I haven't looked at how old those other guys were at Columbus. I know LaPorta and Marte were older than Chis is now when they put up those numbers. So maybe Chis was just pushed through the system a little too fast.

Lonnie has seven errors in 16 games in Columbus. He's a future DH/1B, in my opinion. Probably with another team since we have Swisher and Santana locked up for several more years, and Gomes looks like he'll be the everyday catcher before too long. Santana is 3-for-25 throwing out base stealers and he's crappy at preventing wild pitches. The Indians have a much better W-L record with Gomes catching.

Chiz is definitely hitting now, though. Huntington is not helping guys this year:

Those other guys have more at-bats so maybe in a few weeks Chiz's average will come back to the pack. But for now he's crushing the ball and it doesn't look like it's the ballpark, or everybody else would be higher.

Pabo wrote:The Indians have to seriously consider bringing Chisenhall back up here for his defense alone. I know Lonnie is no great shakes at third, but Mark Reynolds is an absolute disaster over there.

Lonnie has seven errors in 16 games in Columbus

so which lesser of 2 evils do you want in the lineup each day?

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Pabo wrote:The Indians have to seriously consider bringing Chisenhall back up here for his defense alone. I know Lonnie is no great shakes at third, but Mark Reynolds is an absolute disaster over there.

British_Pharaoh wrote:Is it time to free the Chiz? Ha she served his sentence?

Batting .390 after 27 Clippers games. HOWEVER he's striking out close to once ever 4 at bats, he has committed 8 errors and still can't take a walk for shit (12/24 BB/K ratio in 105 at bats)

What do we think? The early season gloss has worn off of Reynolds and the offense is scuffling along with A-Cab being on the DL and Swisher likely to follow.

I think if he didn't get called up in place of Matt Langwell with Swisher unavailable until Friday, then that's pretty telling. We've already burned his option for this season, so we could call him up at any time.

They're content to deal with Reynolds's slump and his below average defense at 3B at a time when they could easily put him at 1B.

Reading between the lines, they're still not impressed with Lonnie.

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British_Pharaoh wrote:Is it time to free the Chiz? Ha she served his sentence?

Batting .390 after 27 Clippers games. HOWEVER he's striking out close to once ever 4 at bats, he has committed 8 errors and still can't take a walk for shit (12/24 BB/K ratio in 105 at bats)

What do we think? The early season gloss has worn off of Reynolds and the offense is scuffling along with A-Cab being on the DL and Swisher likely to follow.

I think if he didn't get called up in place of Matt Langwell with Swisher unavailable until Friday, then that's pretty telling. We've already burned his option for this season, so we could call him up at any time.

They're content to deal with Reynolds's slump and his below average defense at 3B at a time when they could easily put him at 1B.

Reading between the lines, they're still not impressed with Lonnie.

Maybe they're just keeping Langwell around one more game with Carrasco on the hill tonight - probably not a bad idea to have an extra arm in the pen.

If Chiz doesn't get the call tomorrow though and we're playing with a 2-man bench of the back-up catcher and J-Mac, then that's very telling like you said.

The lack of hitting - perhaps not being able to handle big league pitching is one thing. The fact he was a collegiate shortstop who now looks like a DH.....that doesn't come from nowhere - you should have a pretty good idea on his defensive future at the time of the draft.

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Asking anyone who is better informed on this than I am...which is to say...anyone...

What would it take to get Aramis Ramirez? Would we want to? What is the contract situation with him? I keep hearing he's not likely to finish the season with the Brewers. (I see he's only played 40 games...what's that about?)

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danwismar wrote:What would it take to get Aramis Ramirez? Would we want to? What is the contract situation with him? I keep hearing he's not likely to finish the season with the Brewers. (I see he's only played 40 games...what's that about?)

Bad knee. Hurt it in Spring, missed a month in April, still not 100%.

It would depend on how much salary the Brewers are willing to cover IMO. Ramirez is signed through next season at 16M in 2014 with a 4M buyout on a mutual option in 2015. He makes 10M this year.

To move that contract, it shouldn't take much in the form of personnel. My issue is that you're trading for damaged goods. He's not really driving the ball this season, with his lowest ISO since 2002. His numbers are also inflated a bit from playing his home games at Wrigley and Miller Park, two of the better hitter's parks in the NL. His career road split is much lower than his home one, and the Jake is a neutral park.

He's also been a below average defensive 3B in three of the last four seasons according to the advanced fielding metrics. His error totals, though, have not been bad at all.

Not saying that he's not an upgrade, but at that price tag for 2014 and with the season he's currently putting together, I'd expect Milwaukee to cover a good amount of money and I wouldn't offer up very much.

I guess, in summation, if we can get him pretty cheap and get some money to cover what he's still owed, I'd be all for it.

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He's just another guy that can't hack it. LaPorta and Marte were at least top tier prospects; I don't know if Chisenhall was ever a top 100 prospect. First rounder, yes, but MLB is lucky if 5 out of 30 first rounders turn out to be major league starters. This is not completely unexpected. Though when they were drafted, of the two, I actually thought Chiz had a better chance to stick in the majors than Kipnis. May have been a little off on that...

Before this year he was a career .294 hitter in AAA. He was hitting 70-80 points higher when they brought him up, so maybe he figured something out and is now ready to hit .280 with some pop in the bigs.

Or not. I'm not ready to throw him in the LaMarte trash bin just yet. I'm giving him another week.

rebelwithoutaclue wrote:He's just another guy that can't hack it. LaPorta and Marte were at least top tier prospects; I don't know if Chisenhall was ever a top 100 prospect. First rounder, yes, but MLB is lucky if 5 out of 30 first rounders turn out to be major league starters. This is not completely unexpected. Though when they were drafted, of the two, I actually thought Chiz had a better chance to stick in the majors than Kipnis. May have been a little off on that...

Chisenhall was ranked #31 and then #25 for the 2010 and 2011 seasons. He was very highly rated. Let's give him more than ~30 games at 24 to write him off.

rebelwithoutaclue wrote:He's just another guy that can't hack it. LaPorta and Marte were at least top tier prospects; I don't know if Chisenhall was ever a top 100 prospect. First rounder, yes, but MLB is lucky if 5 out of 30 first rounders turn out to be major league starters. This is not completely unexpected. Though when they were drafted, of the two, I actually thought Chiz had a better chance to stick in the majors than Kipnis. May have been a little off on that...

Chisenhall was ranked #31 and then #25 for the 2010 and 2011 seasons. He was very highly rated. Let's give him more than ~30 games at 24 to write him off.