Do you have any thoughts on how you'll compile the list? The WWE Power 25 is supposedly made by the people who compile the list each making their own rankings, then aggregating the lists. But I don't know how many board regulars would be willing to make a top 30 list every week.

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At first I would like people to give me who they think is the top 13 wrestlers. Each person won't have the same people in their list so hopefully there'll end up being around 30 names suggested. It'll be up to my discretion for tied votes. Once we get into it, would like people to give 3-5 they think should rise and 3-5 they think should drop. Like your match of the week, the voting can start after Smackdown and end later having the next official list posted.

Do you have any thoughts on how you'll compile the list? The WWE Power 25 is supposedly made by the people who compile the list each making their own rankings, then aggregating the lists. But I don't know how many board regulars would be willing to make a top 30 list every week.

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At first I would like people to give me who they think is the top 13 wrestlers. Each person won't have the same people in their list so hopefully there'll end up being around 30 names suggested. It'll be up to my discretion for tied votes. Once we get into it, would like people to give 3-5 they think should rise and 3-5 they think should drop. Like your match of the week, the voting can start after Smackdown and end later having the next official list posted.

I'll try to get it posted tonight.

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What do you mean 3-5 people to rise and 3-5 people they should drop? Why not just have people give a full list every week and assign each ranking number a point value and add them up, then just say who rose and who dropped? Or maybe you are and I'm just not sure I understand what you're trying to say.

The rise and drop lists seem weird to me, though. See, I'd just have everyone give their full lists with each rank getting a point value (1st place gets 15 points, 2nd place gets 12, etc.) and add all those up. Then, unless everyone here has the exact same lists as the week before, everyone will naturally shift on the overall rankings. That makes more sense to me.

The rise and drop lists seem weird to me, though. See, I'd just have everyone give their full lists with each rank getting a point value (1st place gets 15 points, 2nd place gets 12, etc.) and add all those up. Then, unless everyone here has the exact same lists as the week before, everyone will naturally shift on the overall rankings. That makes more sense to me.

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I'm just not going to ask for a full list because 30 is too much especially when I don't want to scare folks away. Could do a sample size of 5-10. Just want to make it easy for people to participate. Another reason why I wanted to do the rise and drop thing is for the possibility that people want to punish a wrestler. Rather make it more interactive than leave it so those that didn't get votes are the ones getting dropped. Every person placed in the people's top 10 votes each week is getting pushed up the list potentially.

Well, not each list needs to be of 30 people. Why not have each person make a list of only 15 people? There should be enough variety to compile a sizable list of competitors. We only need 25 or so, right? It shouldn't be too difficult to get that many different people on the rankings. And if not, you could be a "tiebreaker" of sorts and decide who fits in the remaining spaces. And if someone gets no votes, than maybe they deserve to be dropped, because they either did awful, or didn't show up. And I can kind of see where you're coming from with the "punish a wrestler" idea, but I don't think it would be much of a problem.

I was essentially right about the Blood Warriors breaking up despite winning the faction disbands match. They kicked out Maraha Isappa, Kanda, and Doi, and changed their name to Mad Blankey, which has to be one of the worst stable names I've ever heard but maybe it doesn't sound quite as stupid in Japan.

I was essentially right about the Blood Warriors breaking up despite winning the faction disbands match. They kicked out Maraha Isappa, Kanda, and Doi, and changed their name to Mad Blankey, which has to be one of the worst stable names I've ever heard but maybe it doesn't sound quite as stupid in Japan.

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Nah I'm way behind. I'm going to catch up when I'm done exams.

Quoting this post was also a mistake as I'm trying to type it without looking, so I don't accidentally see anything you spoiler tagged

So I was watching Unforgiven in 2002 and I forgot how well Beniot and Angle put matches together. A shame it ended with Beniot's foot on the rope but I guess it would be hard enough to figure out a way to actually end their matches.

The counters they had for one another was amazing. Everything was done so fluidly. Like an Ankle lock to a crossface? Without seeing it you wouldn't imagine it would be easy to make that look good, but they had like 8 different ways to transition from one to the other seamlessly.

Besides the crossface and ankle lock bit, I really enjoyed the german suplexes that they kept dishing out. Throughout that whole segment you just wondered who would come out with the upper hand and who would finally let go.

I haven't watched the Undertaker/Lesnar match yet but they easily got the biggest pop of the night and I'm pretty sure at the time they were both heels.

Lesnar had been getting huge pops since the SummerSlam match against the Rock. The crowd knew Rock was leaving, so they turned on him in favor of Lesnar, and the cheers just never really stopped.He turned face shortly afterward.

Taker was kind of a tweener. He occasionally acted like a heel, but he definitely still had the fan support by that time.

I was essentially right about the Blood Warriors breaking up despite winning the faction disbands match. They kicked out Maraha Isappa, Kanda, and Doi, and changed their name to Mad Blankey, which has to be one of the worst stable names I've ever heard but maybe it doesn't sound quite as stupid in Japan.

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Nah I'm way behind. I'm going to catch up when I'm done exams.

Quoting this post was also a mistake as I'm trying to type it without looking, so I don't accidentally see anything you spoiler tagged

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LOL, oh yeah, I didn't think about that either. Maybe I should've done it old school with black highlighting. But seriously, try to catch up soon, because 252 is pretty damn awesome. It has a lot of angle advancement and seems to pretty much conclude the unit reshuffle, and every match is at least above par. Three of the four matches are excellent.

I gave in and started watching. They really glossed over a lot of stuff that happened between 151 and 152 lol. A lot of that was pretty important stuff. Glad Garoon was there to fill me in, as I hadn't read results to any other shows since then, but that would have made no sense otherwise. LMAO at Mad Blankey being the new name for Blood Warriors, without Cima.

Love the new stable, even though they kind of rushed the whole Doi/Yoshino back together thing, and Pac/Ricochet never had any reason to decide to not hate one another. It's lazy writing, but I can forgive it because I dont want to see them go through 3 months of Ricochet trying to win Pac over, and Doi with Yoshino. Although through that entire segment I half expected Ricochet to be like "just kidding" and attack Pac

Didn't Lesnar end up going from a face to a heel though and never turned back? I think at this time, Take was the face and Lesnar was the heel but Lesnar still always got a huge pop anyway.

I would have watched the match last night but I was too tired and thought it'd be best to save it for tonight.

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Lesnar started as a heel, then gradually won the fans over from SummerSlam on, officially turning face at Survivor Series. Then the next summer he turned heel again and stayed that way until now, pretty much, lol.

Lesnar was the heel, but the fans didn't really care. They loved him anyway.

Didn't Lesnar end up going from a face to a heel though and never turned back? I think at this time, Take was the face and Lesnar was the heel but Lesnar still always got a huge pop anyway.

I would have watched the match last night but I was too tired and thought it'd be best to save it for tonight.

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Lesnar turned face after Paul Heyman screwed him at Survivor Series but turned back heel in the summer of 03 after Kurt Angle defeated him for the title and has been heel since.

I actually like the Taker/Brock matches and at Unforgiven, their pre match video promo is probably one of the best I've ever seen.

And yeah, Angle and Benoit always gave a performance of a life time every time they were in the ring together, either as opponents or tag team partners. But their best match together is probably at the Royal Rumble 2003. Their Steel Cage match on Raw in 2001 is very good too.

I gave in and started watching. They really glossed over a lot of stuff that happened between 151 and 152 lol. A lot of that was pretty important stuff. Glad Garoon was there to fill me in, as I hadn't read results to any other shows since then, but that would have made no sense otherwise. LMAO at Mad Blankey being the new name for Blood Warriors, without Cima.

Love the new stable, even though they kind of rushed the whole Doi/Yoshino back together thing, and Pac/Ricochet never had any reason to decide to not hate one another. It's lazy writing, but I can forgive it because I dont want to see them go through 3 months of Ricochet trying to win Pac over, and Doi with Yoshino. Although through that entire segment I half expected Ricochet to be like "just kidding" and attack Pac

I'll respond to your original spoiler tag when I finish the episode.

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My spoiler was only related to the new heel stable. That is just a really laughable name.

Yeah, they did gloss over a LOT of stuff. I was sitting watching it thinking, "I don't remember any of this past Junction 3 splitting up," then I realized none of it had even aired before. I would be lost without Garoon Gate when they do this kind of stuff.

I expected the same thing when it came to Ricochet and PAC. I liked how both guys looked pretty apprehensive about being in the same stable, but the others just ignored it and assumed everything was suddenly cool between them because they hadn't had a match in like a month. Dragon Gate logic.

lol they're really making a new stable out of this Jimmy nonsense? What a waste of time. I did laugh at H-A-Gee-Mee though, lol.

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Yeah, it's weird, but I do get a kick out of their new team logo. At least all the guys in the stable are still being booked strongly and not being treated like losers, even though they look and sound like ones. I really enjoyed the end of the Twin Gate title match.

What the hell is the point of the Blood Warrior's dominance if they were just going to demote themselves. BW has been there so long. Shouldn't the point of them defeating J3 is their dominance and name continuing. I get CIMA being kicked out of it means it won't be the original BW but I thought that's what would make it intriguing. I do like the logo and the fact Tozawa is incharge so that's why it's a part of my icon.

lol what did you want Blood Warriors to even do? Beating Yamato and Shingo in the last infinity wasn't enough for you? Being the Twin Gate champions isn't enough? Being the top heel stable isn't enough?

Like how in any capacity are they demoted now that they changed their name?

I was essentially right about the Blood Warriors breaking up despite winning the faction disbands match. They kicked out Maraha Isappa, Kanda, and Doi, and changed their name to Mad Blankey, which has to be one of the worst stable names I've ever heard but maybe it doesn't sound quite as stupid in Japan.

Nah, the whole point was that they didn't have to break up, and Kong/Tozawa/Hulk/KZ/Tomohawk got to continue being a unit. They didn't disband (if they lost that match they would have), they just changed the name, and kicked out the Warriors and Blood Generation contingents out (so basically the Blood Warriors name would make no sense anyway). I was only wrong about the name change (and I probably should have guessed, considering who they were teasing kicking out of the group at the time, anyway).

The Faction Disband match still makes sense after all the dust settled, as does BW winning it. The only thing that didn't was Kong being part of the Survival match, as he was kicked out of BW forever ago, but oh well.

Anyway, great show. Infinity has been on such a role this year. I think pretty much every episode has had at least one match worth going out of your way for. The Jimmy unit is retarded, and I likely won't ever get behind them (I don't like any of the wrestlers in the unit anyway), and I love the idea of Battle Hawk being renegades for now. The World-1 revival is really cool, even if Pac/Ricochet alliance makes no sense. I'd also prefer if CIMA/Mochizuki weren't aligned.. considering Mochizuki wouldn't even shake his hand after Final Gate he was so disgusted with him, but that's more Dragon Gate booking for you. I actually wish K-Ness and Yokosuka were a team (and Yokosuka wasn't affiliated with the Jimmys, you could just throw Taku Iwasa in his spot... but then again Yokosuka is higher on the card than all of them, and they lose legitimacy without him), K-Ness always made him significantly more entertaining to me, but oh well.

Basically, despite all the little things I don't like, I'm actually really satisfied with the unit shuffle. As long as Battle Hawk remains a dominant contingent, I'll be happy.

I actually like all of the Jimmies except for Kanda. None of them are among my very favorite Dragon Gate wrestlers, but they're all solid workers who can put together entertaining matches, as both tag matches on the last show proved.

openthedragongate.com. He puts up all the Infinity episodes, and every PPV as soon as he can.

I don't mind the actual faction, although yeah, none of them are really my favorites, it's the idea behind it. The "lol we're boring" concept is awful. At least Horiguchi gives it some color, which is ironic because that in itself means he doesn't really fit in with them.

Use this site ( http://bgsays.wordpress.com/ ) to keep up to date with it/have promos translated for you. He reviews literally anything that features Dragon Gate wrestlers that makes a DVD, appears online, or on TV.

Brad Garoon has reviewed pretty much every indy promotion I've watched since I started ROH in like 05. I always loved his ROH reviews back when he wrote them for 411, so it was cool to see he had an entire blog for Dragon Gate when I started following them a few years ago.