Modern Meat Not Ahead of the Game

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Since chronic inflammation underlines many disease processes and saturated fat appears to facilitate the endotoxic inflammatory reaction to animal products, researchers have looked to wild animals for less unhealthy meat options.

Transcript: Modern Meat Not Ahead of the Game

“There is evidence of a link… between a form of low-grade systemic inflammation and several chronic diseases. This subclass of inflammation has been labelled ‘metaflammation,’ paraflammation, or ‘smouldering inflammation.

“Obesity, is known to be associated with this form of inflammation,” though a recent paper argues that obesity may be more of canary in the coalmine. Well if this inflammation is “”now known to underlie most, if not all forms of chronic disease, what are some inducers of this inflammation”? Well, that mineshaft might actually be one—air pollution and rising CO2 levels, but also second-hand smoke, inactivity, too much activity—like marathon runners actually may be stressing their bodies out too much, excessive alcohol, calories, fast food, western doet, saturated and trans fat, not enough fiber, and too much sugar, meat and salt. Note though they specify domestic meat. Might wild game be healthier?

One study comparing the meat of both captive, and wild, pheasants, for example, found significantly more saturated fat in the domesticated birds, which is one of the components blamed for helping to trigger the meat-induced postprandial—or “after-meal” inflammatory response, given the potent inflammatory effects of saturated fats. So wild animals would seem the least unhealthy meat option, but it wasn’t until recently when we got any real evidence one way or the other.

This group of Australian researchers compared the amount of inflammation triggered by modern meat, domesticated animal meat, compared to that triggered by kangaroo meet. They looked at three different inflammatory markers, Tumor necrosis factor, interleukin 6 and C-reactive protein. Here’s the regular meat, big spike in inflammation 1 hour, two hours after the meat, no surprise, that’s what saturated animal fat does. But here’s the kangaroo. Sure, still causes that smoldering meta-inflammation, but not as much as store-bought meat.

To see any graphs, charts, graphics, images, and quotes to which Dr. Greger may be referring watch the above video. This is just an approximation of the audio contributed by Kerry Skinner.

Interesting post although, I would expect a third line showing the inflammatory response to say, soy,banana,beans or any other plant based food.

Thea

Minnymoony: My understanding (which could very well be mistaken) is that there is no inflammatory response to most plant based foods. Do you know otherwise?

HemoDynamic, M.D.

Almost Thea–Rotten plant foods cause inflammation (No duh) and so do Potatoes. Well, except for purple ones. They are my favorite as well because they are not only beautiful but have a slightly sweet flavor to them.

Also, in my patients with autoimmune disorders Lupus, Rheumatoid Arthritis and other connective tissue disorders, I have seen concentrated soy protein isolates cause increases in pain, swelling and inflammation.

Dr. hemo I think you are on to something but I think it might be soy in general. Last week I had more soy than I normally do. I made a vegan dish with tempeh, had a few soy lattes etc. maybe 6 servings all week.

So I tried to figure out why my legs/joints were feeling swollen although they weren’t visibly. Absolutely the strangest feeling. I came to the conclusion that I don’t do well with processed soy.

I am glad you have noticed similar things with your patients and brought it to our attention.

vardarac

Carageenan is present in soy milk.

Thea

HemoDynamic: Thanks for the clarification. I knew there were some exceptions, which is why I said “most plant-based foods”. But I think it is particularly helpful that you gave specific examples of foods to be wary of right here.

You are really lucky that you have access to those purple potatoes. I’ve been on the lookout for them at my local healthfood store and farmers market. Nothing yet, but I do live in a small-ish city. Or maybe I’m just not looking hard enough.

Thanks again for your nice response.

JamesKB

Not sure about soy, but vegans in general have lower inflammation markers. Most vegans eat a lot of soy. Banana might be slightly inflammatory, but unlikely unless you’re diabetic. Can’t speak for all beans, but some are anti inflammatory.

beangu

does this have anything to do with the higher fat content of wagyu beef compared to kangaroo meat? As some of your other videos suggests, it is mainly the fat in animal products that are bad for us.

Carl

The animal protein and cholesterol is also a problem.

beangu

Right, I was just speculating as to a possible reason for why wagyu (a very fatty meat) is worse than kangaroo which is a leaner animal protein (the study only looked at wagyu and kangaroo meat). Not to say that either is good for you. I am not sure if the the actual protein of the animal is the cause of the differences found. Of course there can be many other reasons for this difference such as the level of stress domesticated animals experience and the lower quality of food they consume compared to wild animals.

http://www.facebook.com/jameson.wolff Jameson Wolff

You’re crazy thinking saturated fats are all created equal and that animal fats are ONLY saturated fats﻿ (what no oleic acid?)

beangu

If you read the actual study, you might better understand why I am asking about the difference in fat levels of the two animals.

http://www.facebook.com/jameson.wolff Jameson Wolff

I’m speaking directly to Dr. Greger

Toxins

High content of oleic acid is found in large abundance in olive oil and this is not at all healthy.

The study u present is a metaanalysis of other studies showing benifits with the assumption that olive oil is the health promoter.

“In terms of their postprandial effect on endothelieum function, the beneficial components of the Mediterranean and Lyon Diet Heart Study diets appear to be antioxidant-rich foods, including vegetables [and] fruits”http://content.onlinejacc.org/cgi/content/full/36/5/1455

“In a clinical study, olive oil was shown to activate coagulation factor VII to the same extent as does butter. Thus, olive oil does not have a clearly beneficial effect on vascular function.”http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9409274

. The soup either had 3 tablespoons of each oil OR they fried the potatoes in the oil. They too examined the extent of damage on the volunteers’ arteries. this is what they found “All the vegetable oils, fresh and deep-fried, produced an increase in the triglyceride plasma levels in healthy subjects.”

This 2 year study looked at coronary artery lesions of the heart after consuming different types of fat. Polyunsaturated fat (omega 3 type of fat) Monounsaturated fat (75% of which makes up olive oil) and Saturated fat (the kind found in mostly animal products). They looked at angiograms a year apart after intervening with increasing one type of fat in each group. All 3 fats were associated with a significant increase in new atherosclerosis lesions. Most importantly, the growth of these lesions did not stop when polyunsaturated fats and monounsaturated fats were substituted for saturated fats. Only by decreasing all fat intake including the polyunsaturated and monounsaturated fats did the lesions stop growing. http://jama.ama-assn.org/content/263/12/1646.abstract?sid=47d1d016-3c15-43f4-a013-0d10144ef8e3

Toxins

oddly, humans are not rabbits, as the study I presented was specifically with human testing.

That study also quoted this: “Although there is a well-established relation between serum cholesterol and coronary artery disease risk, individual and national variations in this association suggest that OTHER factors are involved in atherogenesis”

And a major limitation was this: “The study did not attempt to determine whether lesser fat loads impair endothelial function, or whether high-fat meals lower in saturated fat have similar effects”

In the Study you cited: “Effects of a high-fat meal on pulmonary function in healthy

subjects” The participants ate “The High Fat Meal consisted of ice cream (Edy’s Grand Vanilla) and whipping cream (Reddi wip original)”. AND Even though post meal triglycerides and cholesterol went up C-reactive protein did not.

ALSO they say that “subjects with highest body fat levels would see the largest increases in total cholesterol, triglycerides, C-reactive

protein, and eNO, was not supported.”… perhaps in healthy people who exercise and are not obese this would not be the case. This Study does not prove that cholesterol causes CHD.I’m still looking over the first two…

Guest

At the end of the day my point is that you’re taking out context between what “kind” of saturated fat and who exactly is consuming it in what amounts? (Ie. athletes, lean individuals, in caloric deficit or balance)…

This is a good paper looking at the different forms of saturated fat: Saturated fats: what dietary intake?1,2,3 J Bruce German and Cora J Dillard Am J﻿ Clin Nutr September 2004 vol. 80 no. 3 550-559

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