Errr the Bosanova & Kosova conflicts were to do with the melt down of Yugoslavia. To attempt to blame that on European pollicy is pretty desperate (well actually its really fucking insane).

Line 1, Page 1 of the Euroloon playbook - the Strawman.

You know, I know and you know that I know that you have no actual arguments in favour of the EU, because there are none.

So instead you have to make up arguments I never made and attack them as a distraction from your own inability to defend the indefensible.

Stick to ranting about 'Tory cuts' under articles in Komment Macht Frei, that's more your speed.

Originally Posted by mike321

Blaming European Union for the Yugoslavia is not fair, but it certainly was a test of Europe's collective governing. They did not do well onthe test. Of course the original government of the United States was quickly tested and reworked. The current government system was severely tested during the US civil war. Finally, it took a long time to get a system that did not systematically exclude classes of people. The greatness of the founding fathers I think is based on how many people wanted into the system as opposed to just getting away from it.

Having said all this a new system will always need adaptations, with the economic crisis the EU will probably need extensive modification; that is not a condemnation of the concept of the EU.

Except if you were going to frame the EU argument around the example of America, the EU wouldn't be the revolutionary United States. The EU would be the British Empire and the Americans would be the Greeks or some other country.

Except if you were going to frame the EU argument around the example of America, the EU wouldn't be the revolutionary United States. The EU would be the British Empire and the Americans would be the Greeks or some other country.

the eu has only existed since 1993 in which time both the bosnian and kosovan war and associated genocides occurred, in regards to which the eu did precisely **** all and nato was the organisation that stopped the slaughter and the war.

It was the UN's task to act, which it screwed up, to be precise. Oh and my point is proven again: the past week protests in the Frenchspeaking part of Belgium, and in other southern countries against austerity policies enacted by their governments, and what did the north do?

Not quite bonkers enough to claim that something that has only existed since 1993 was able to stop wars happening since 1945, clearly.

Also not quite bonkers enough to fail to see that imposing an authoritarian technocratic government on people from above and inflicting sadistic economic warfare on them purely to keep an insane political project alive could well lead to war.

You don't have to be sane enough to read a Polly Toynbee article without bleeding from the ears to be able to recognise those two basic facts.

Originally Posted by Sarzis

Spaniard here.

Or you could leave the Euro bring back the peseta and devalue your way back to economic competitiveness.

Probably have to break up all those regional banks as well and let alot of regional governments go bankrupt.

First and foremost though, you need to leave the Euro, because right now it's killing you.

Originally Posted by Nefron

All hail NATO!

Guess you have a different perspective if you were the one being bombed. Though I suspect the Kosovans would have another perspective, yet again...

Originally Posted by Moenstah

It was the UN's task to act,

The UN doesn't act it just talks. Europhiles constantly say the EU stops war and is solely responsible for there not being a war since 1945. Yet since it's inception it's only had one major challenge Kosovo, which it profoundly flunked.

Originally Posted by Moenstah

Oh and my point is proven again: the past week protests in the Frenchspeaking part of Belgium, and in other southern countries against austerity policies enacted by their governments, and what did the north do?

Exactly; work and earn some money.

If only you had your own currencies and could run your economies how you wanted to in your own countries. You might not have to work to bail out your feckless neighbours, they would be responsible for themselves you for yourselves. It's quite the idea, no?

Not quite bonkers enough to claim that something that has only existed since 1993 was able to stop wars happening since 1945, clearly.

Also not quite bonkers enough to fail to see that imposing an authoritarian technocratic government on people from above and inflicting sadistic economic warfare on them purely to keep an insane political project alive could well lead to war.

You don't have to be sane enough to read a Polly Toynbee article without bleeding from the ears to be able to recognise those two basic facts.

Just because you're mental doesnt mean I read The Guardian.

Guess you have a different perspective if you were the one being bombed. Though I suspect the Kosovans would have another perspective, yet again I'm coming across as nuts

The UN doesn't act it just talks. Europhiles constantly say the EU stops war and is solely responsible for there not being a war since 1945. Yet since it's inception it's only had one major challenge Kosovo, which it profoundly flunked.

Your piss poor attempt to show that Europe hasnt had an unpresidented period of peace, is making you look like a drooling idiot.

In the future can I suggest that instead of reading The Dail Mail you just cut to the chase and wipe your arse with it.

In the future can I suggest that instead of reading The Dail Mail you just cut to the chase and wipe your arse with it.

Why is it Guardian readers hate the Daily Mail? Is it because you can't stand pluralism of opinion? Or just because you resent that the paper that working people you claim to identify with choose to read, is so antithetical to your own Stalinist beliefs?

By the way, which was right about the Euro the Daily Mail or the Guardian? Answers on a postcard.

By the way Europeans, currently the UK is the only country arguing that the EU should be making the kind of budget cuts the EU is asking you to make at home and we're being fought tooth and nail by the EU and your leaders.

If that doesn't make you froth with rage not only at your politicians, but also at the EU technocratic elite, then there's no hope for you.