--Previous Message-- : Its fun to discuss Marvel science. That : doesn't proves the growth power became ionic : in nature, didn't Hank Pym's body stopped : needing the Pym particle infusion after : awhile and now does it by itself? I think : the same thing happened to Atlas, somehow : the Pym particles jumpstart a cellular, or : molecular change in your body that allows : you to grow just like the gamma and ionic : radiation change you into a super strong : being without the need of being bombarded by : it all the time. : : : : --Previous Message-- : That doesn't prove that his growth powers : were : solely Pym particles at all. In fact I'm : referencing this very event. I'll repeat : with some edits. : : They were initially a combination of pym : particles and ionic powers, which I think : the Pym particles were used to jumpstart the : ionic growth. My reason is that he : eventually lost his ionic powers. In doing : so, he lost all his ionic powers. He : eventually regain the power to grow from Pym : particles, but there were not any indication : the particle were there. Otherwise he would : have retain his ability to grow without that : additional boost from ionic energy. : : Nothing serious though just comics. : : : : --Previous Message-- : Atlas growth powers were never ionic. See : below: : : : : : --Previous Message-- : I believe Atlas growth powers were ionic. : They were initially a combination of pym : particles and ionic powers, which I think : the Pym particles were used to jumpstart the : ionic growth. My reason is that he : eventually lost his ionic powers. In doing : so, he lost all his powers. He eventually : regain the power to grow from Pym, but there : were not any indication the particle were : still there. : : Busiek's explanation of Wonder Man not being : made of ionic energy is kind of silly since : he has Wonder Man dispersing and : reintegrating from just energy. I don't : think he is just energy however. I just : think there isn't a good explanation. : : I read Avengers Two, but I don't recall the : Mephisto explanation. I like it though. : Crazy Eight was right before his big : encounter with Mephisto so it make : chronological sense. Still I wasn't too : happy with Avengers Two, especially how it : explained away Lotus. I think it took a lot : away from her as a villainess, especially as : the main villainess in that story. : : --Previous Message-- : All those powers were given to him in the : Wonder Man series. Remember that the : growing powers Atlas has is due to the Pym : particles and Nefaria used a variation on : the Zemo treatment to get his powers. : Busiek explained away those powers in the : Avengers Two mini series as Mephisto's : illusions. Furthermore, Busiek also : explained that every ressurection of an : ionic character might trigger a power : mutation although in Wonder Man he only gave : him the ability to fly without jetpacks and : the ionic glow his body used to get but that : Bendis has toned down. : : The Crazy Eight powers were given to them by : another way different from the senior Zemo : treatment, at that time Wonder Man's : physique had been altered by the Nega-Bomb : so he was kind of in a different state, then : Wondy died in Force Works and later Wanda : gets him back as a muscle and flesh guy : ionically infused, supposedly getting him : back to the way he was pre-nega-bomb but : with the extra power of flight and the ionic : glow. : : See this quote from Busiek plus some images : from the Wonder Man fansite: : : : : : : : http://www.fortunecity.com/athena/power/955/FAQ1.htm: : Ultimately, all that is up to the writer. : If the latest writer wants Wonder Man to be : the bastard child of Mephisto with the power : to teletransport from one dimension to the : next, that's what his powerset will be. : : --Previous Message-- : : --Previous Message-- : I know there are fans that would like him to : have an arsenal of super powers like : Superman but to me physical strength by : itself and nothing else is good enough. : : I'd rather he had to contend with wacky : powers like eyebeams, energy projection etc : from a villain, have to think creatively : while being in a position of disadvantage : than him being the arsenal of superpowers. : Its always more heroic the guy that presents : himself into battles virtually naked and : ends up striping the other guy from his : weapons and wining the battle. : : I think right now he is just a strong guy : that can fly. I know Bendis did something : with him reversing the ionic flow in Ultron : but I think that was only controlling : something that was already in Ultron. : : --Previous Message-- : I know he has eyebeams in the past, has been : able to grow, and he used his ionic energy : on Ultron in Mighty months back. : : : : Stan Lee was never one to make scientific : sense of his characters' abilities - : "ionic energy" is sort of a funny : concept. Ions are atoms which have lost or : gained an electron - they're matter, not : energy. : : Filling in for Stan, I surmised that the ion : in ionic energy has something to do with its : effect. Busiek and Perez helped me further : by giving Wondy a nice purple glow, which I : fancy as perhaps ionization from the contact : of said energy with the atmosphere. : : That aside, I started to postulate about the : nature of ionic energy. It has given : Wonderman, extended life span, superhuman : strength, speed, stamina, agility, reflexes, : and durability. Staying with canon ionic : energy has also given Wondy the ability to : grow, shoot eyebeams and control ionic : energy. : : I think all these abilities are consequences : of ionic energy. Most of these abilities : are shared by frequent Avengers nemesis, : Count Nefaria. Atlas used ionic energy to : grow. : : You rather Wonder Man only have physical : abilities, and that's fine. Let me excuse : myself now because it doesn't end there for : me. Other powers have been seen as a : consequence of ionic energy. Losing control : of his power Wonder Man transferred ionic : energy to Crazy Eight, which resulted in : this sample of wacky super powers: : : Super-sight, : Astral project, : Holographic imagery, : Self-replication, : Magnetic manipulation, : Time travel, : and a couple I can't remember. : : I hope you don't faint, but even this might : just be the beginning. Even though the Crazy : Eight lost their powers after Wondy absorbed : it back into him - precedent for Bendis' use : of ionic energy against Ultron - ionic : I imagine that ionic energy has, perhaps : indirectly, resulted in. : : Fabian Nicieza's Thunderbolt had two story : lines in which Zemo manipulated that : indirectly or directly responsible for : empowering most of the Marvel Universe, : bending the laws of physics and allowing the : impossible. Once he stole all the powers. : Afterwards he fought and empowered populace : exposed to a power he was battling : Grandmaster for possession. What those : Thunderbolts story lines and Wonder Man have : in common is the surname of the man Wonder : Man's powers, Zemo. : : Did Helmut read his father's notes on ionic : energy when he created his power draining : contraptions in Thunderbolts? Is ionic : energy this same energy? Maybe, but I hope : not. I'm dying to call it the "No : Prize" energy. No, rather I think : ionic energy itself may be a consequence of : this said energy. : : : : : : : : : : : :