07 September, 2010

This is a prototype fillet brazed rando frame. Our frame factory has two craftsmen who are skilled at fillet brazing, one is the president. We're exploring the possibility of offering a very limited production run of these frames, maybe 25 frames. It has geometry like the current Rando frame, but it will have an upgraded fork with a nicer bend. The cost would be about $1200.

If you want a the un-ridden 61cm prototype in the photos it's available. The price, as shown (with chrome headset, crank, rack, BB, and brakes) is $1200. I had intended to build it up for myself, but I have too many bikes already.

Update: The prototype frame is sold. It went right after we posted it on the site.

39 comments:

That frame is a beauty! I love how chromed frames seem to have come back on the radar in the bike. I'm sure a fillet brazed bike would sell to as more and more cycling enthusiasts are actually interested in frame construction methods. The only thing missing is Canti posts...

This frame looks more like a "museum" piece rather than a daily commuter. I couldn't see taking this out for a spin on a regular basis. Too flashy...almost like having your restored classic car being valet parked. Too much risk of damage.At $1200 buckaroos? Sorry.

i'd certainly pay $1200 for a frameset and mini-kit as pictured! another vote for a different fork bend. i agree that chrome does look odd on a new bike, but then i never saw a 60-year-old hers/inger when it was new, either. i think it would look best after being ridden 10,000 miles, or a year messengering, which ever came first. though i'd be drawn to its durability/"beausage", another vote for a less-toxic chrome alternative.

My other issue with the prototype is that the rear drop-outs interrupt the otherwise clean lines of the fillet brazing on the rest of the frame. Can the drop-outs be made as inserts to the seat/chain stays rather than capping over them? For me, fillet brazed bikes are great because they have smooth joints that make the parts of the frame flow together seamlessly. Those dropouts don't work well with that concept.

Very nice. I think fully lugged would have really been the icing on the cake. To the folks who are dissing the chrome, well, have you any idea what VO is all about? I mean, geez, they sell new centerpull brakes and porteur racks! How outdated! ;)

Anyway, great looking frame. I agree that a more radiused fork would have been more aesthetically pleasing.This will make a really nice ride with a heap of nostalgia thrown in for good measure.

Beautiful frame, and in my size as well. I seriously considered buying it . . . until I saw the vertical drop-outs. Of the 13 bikes I own currently -- some of which are prototypes and one offs -- none has vertical drop-outs as these prohibit a fixed gear set-up. Horizontal drop-outs are fine, rear fork ends are good, but vertical drop-outs are the ultimate dealbreaker for any bike afficinado. They make sense when one needs to save 0.4 seconds when changing a wheel during a race, but under no other circumstances

Pretty cool. Chrome is cool in many ways, especially mixed with paint. The durability of chrome varies with both the initial quality as well as the maintenance it receives. If cheaply done it will peel. If not wiped clean and waxed, it can pit and eventually rust. It can, even, given enough usage, wear through. Irregardless, if you want a chromed frame, this looks pretty cool.

"... vertical drop-outs are the ultimate dealbreaker for any bike afficinado. They make sense when one needs to save 0.4 seconds when changing a wheel during a race, but under no other circumstances..."

Are you kidding? They make great sense if you are running fenders, they make great sense if you are using a contemporary shifting system, they make sense if you like a degree of added stiffness to the rear triangle, they also make sense if you like your axle wrapped in more than 1 degree of steel dropout material. There are more reasons vertical dropouts make sense, including but not limited to ease of brake alignment and tire size limitations with forward facing dropouts.

If you do not understand any of these reasons, perhaps your credentials as a "bicycle afficinado" should be called into question.

Having owned three fillet-brazed frames, though none currently, they can be every bit as elegant as a lugged frame. The key is the filing and finishing, which should present a smooth transition from tube to tube. Otherwise there is little to recommend it over a nice, tight TIG weld.

One Lyonsport and one Bilenky (both inexpensive and the latter something of a frame experiment) had unfiled brazing and to my eye were lumpy and unattractive. The third, a "Signature" quality Bilenky was very smooth and the only frame I've had that gave my Mariposa a run for its money looks-wise.

I'm not sure that the photos here really capture the quality of filing, so perhaps a couple more could be added.

Also, $1200 is surely a reasonable price for all the work involved. A fillet-brazed frameset built in North America would likely run $1000 more than that.

I used to feel the same way about dropouts and thought vertical were horrible. After owning a frame with them I'm now a convert as they make wheel removal easier and sooooo much better with fenders. Horizontal are certainly best for fixed conversion, but on a dedicated geared road bike vertical are worth reconsidering.

Speaking of chromed forks, yes, you see them around, on the net and at the bike shop where I got one recently. Someone needs to write an article concerning weight issues, forked crown vs. sloped fork, etc. and on what to look for if one gets a fork as a replacement for one in Reynolds 531 or others.

I'm with the above comment on rear-facing track dropouts. They let you slam your wheel closer, especially if you are running a variety of tire width sizes. This bike with rear-facing track ends AND a deraileur hangar would be epic.

Also, if I'm going to drop $1200 on a gorgeous frame, I kind of want the option to run it fixed or SS for winter training, etc... then throw my deraileur on and a different rear wheel, and bam, back to a summertime road bike again.