My point was that he'd have been mutilated for religious reasons, even though he does not practice that religion.

grumpy wrote:

<quoted text>It's like a dead limb being pared from a productive tree.During the Clinton administration a Jewish advisor (Dick Morris) was found having sexual acts with a prostitute. He converted to Catholicism and Jews didn't make any attempt to talk him out of it.Dick Morris is now a highly respected reporterfor the Catholic media.

<quoted text>It's like a dead limb being pared from a productive tree.During the Clinton administration a Jewish advisor (Dick Morris) was found having sexual acts with a prostitute. He converted to Catholicism and Jews didn't make any attempt to talk him out of it.Dick Morris is now a highly respected reporterfor the Catholic media.

<quoted text>Doesn't stop there. Females in Africa, of Muslim and other religious sects, are routinely subjected to removal of the labia major, and sewn closed, leaving only a small opening for urination, until marriage; at which time the 'husband' has the 'privilege' of ripping them back open.Muslim women aren't allowed to enjoy sex. That's male privilege only.

I have heard of that. Its gross and evil Imho. I think this particular religious..supposedly..practic e is sgsinst the law here. But who knows what they do if no ond reports it..disgusting..

<quoted text>I believe Jesus existed. I don't believe he was born of a virgin or is the son of a spiritual being. I believe he was a preacher and a good one at that. I don't believe there is a God in the sense that He is a form and He would have to be in the form of a man since the Bible refers to Him as a "he". I don't think Jesus died for our sins, I think he was arrested and crucified for breaking the laws of the Torah. So no, I guess I have no "spiritual" beliefs.

Why would the Romans execute him for breaking the laws of the Torah? And what laws did he break?

<quoted text>Why would the Romans execute him for breaking the laws of the Torah? And what laws did he break?

The Pharisees were revolutionaries. Jesus would have been considerred as one of them.Jesus wouldn't have been the only trouble-maker for Roman control. Many were crucified for that reason at that time. From a religious aspect, Jesus would have violated the first commandment.

<quoted text>I just want to comment on this.I need to point out that its funny how you ignore that the FIRST time you told this "story", you WERE given condolences. By people on BOTH sides of the abortion issue.After the 35th time, nobody cares anymore, and moreover - TELLS you so.You dont know when enough is enough already, and THAT is willful ignorance, and its NOT endearing.

But foo, are you saying once someone has told you what they believe on anything, or their personal story, that they shouldn't repeat it?I am thankful for all on here, and I've learned a few things. One is you guys are pretty smart at times, and don't allow me to be as lazy as I like, and make blanket statements without having to back up each and every detail.:)

What I do, is what I do.

If I write things in my own strength or flesh, it will not amount to anything, and although you and others may feel it is all I write -I disagree.

It seems you have no problem with others repeating their stance on abortion, over and over, and over, it it only when the name of Jesus Christ is used, that you and others say enough.

<quoted text>What are you comparing 3500 abortions to exactly. There are alot of things to consider. Statistics show the abortion rate dropped overall but not among the at or near poverty level families. That tells me that when the economy is bad and unemployment rates are up and minimum wage or a little better is all you can get, the abortion rate increases especially if there is already a child/ren in the home. Obviously pregnancy rates are higher for the poor if they are having more abortions. May be due to affordability of b.c or lack of family planning services such as PP or funds being cut to State Health Dept's.

Did you know the bible says that the poor have many more kids then others?

I realize we live in a Big world, but the numbers still stagger me a bit.

<quoted text>It's like a dead limb being pared from a productive tree.During the Clinton administration a Jewish advisor (Dick Morris) was found having sexual acts with a prostitute. He converted to Catholicism and Jews didn't make any attempt to talk him out of it.Dick Morris is now a highly respected reporterfor the Catholic media.

I'm not sure why switching would've helped him? Catholic faith kinda looks down on sleeping with prostitutes as well, does it not?the thing is, many people switch religions, just like a member of a moose lodge may leave and join the "goose " lodge, lol

Again -religious -child of God.Finding religion -finding God.Being religious - being a child of God.Dark and light

There was, is, and always will be a HUGE difference in belonging to any religious group, and belonging to God.

I am still not a very religious person, but I am a child of God.

This is not something I'm proud of, it is something I am just very thankful for :)

<quoted text>I agree with much of what science does, and very thankful for science.You believe carbon dating is a good way to date things? I thought they have had issues with some of that?I think God shows us enough, just in His creation.All things made now must be planned, and created, so I just can't see how way back then, things just sorta evolved?!Male / female.i would think we wouldn't have or need those in evolution.

<quoted text>I don't have any idea, the Torah wasn't explained in any Baptist church I went to. Just what was taught.

Think I posted my opinion.. but He was crucified by men who for their own puposes were afraid of losing power.pilate was afraid of the Chief Priest. Writing yo Caesar..The Chief priest...who wss not even of a priestly tribe but an appointee of Herod..who was also afraid...Of this peaceful man who a lot of the people loved

He did nog disobey any laws..bug it ws convenient to say He didNO one people killed Him..So much nonsense by more evil people assigning blame over the yesrs. Point is He came to be sacrificed. He allowed all this to happen. he knew it would happen. Like a lamb to the slaughter. FOR US. That we may be saved

<quoted text>Yes, I agree there are many many bad deals, counterfeits, etc...They only counterfeit something that has much worth.Satan is very good at what He does.Although I do believe by faith, I also have been showed and given all I need.When something as Big as God comes into something as small as man, it is something you never forget, or get over.

Gtown71 wrote: <quoted text> "So you know of skeleton that all scientist agree on as being here before the bible says man should've been here? I know of many, that have been exposed as frauds or explained."

"Yes, I agree there are many many bad deals, counterfeits, etc...They only counterfeit something that has much worth."

"16 Jesus said, "Perhaps people think that I have come to cast peace upon the world. They do not know that I have come to cast conflicts upon the earth: fire, sword, war. For there will be five in a house: there'll be three against two and two against three, father against son and son against father, and they will stand alone."http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows...

According to this 1998 PBS special, there is still no evidence Jesus lived. That for a generation after the crucifixion, and sometimes two generations, all they had were oral stories being passed around. Comparable with Greek stories and traditions. This PBS special is very detailed and interesting. I especially like one of the scholars stating that, "We must, first of all, understand that in history facts always lie under interpretations and we never get to the facts. They're only interpretations. There is only an interpreted Jesus, there are many interpreted Jesuses. So where do we begin? We begin not with Jesus, we have no access to him. We begin with the responses to Jesus, by his followers, by outsiders who heard about him.... We begin with those reactions as they're enshrined in the text we have."http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows...

<quoted text>I'm not sure why switching would've helped him? Catholic faith kinda looks down on sleeping with prostitutes as well, does it not?the thing is, many people switch religions, just like a member of a moose lodge may leave and join the "goose " lodge, lolAgain -religious -child of God.Finding religion -finding God.Being religious - being a child of God.Dark and lightThere was, is, and always will be a HUGE difference in belonging to any religious group, and belonging to God.I am still not a very religious person, but I am a child of God.This is not something I'm proud of, it is something I am just very thankful for :)

"I'm not sure why switching would've helped him? Catholic faith kinda looks down on sleeping with prostitutes as well"Not if wanted foregiveness for his sin.

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