Here comes the million dollar question fellow members! Can you tell the difference between hdmi 1 & 2 when you play only blurays?

Well it just so happens that I was watching Prometheus BluRay last night on HDMI2. With all the talk about HDMI 1 and 2 I had switch to HDMI2 last week. But watching the movie I thought it was a bit bland color wise and not that detailed. So halfway through I decided to switch to HDMI1 and I must say: in MY setup, I will not going back to HDMI2! The second half of the movie on HDMI1 was excellent. Hard to tell if it was better or just equal to HDMI2 but I think better. Playing with sharpness, I think HDMI1 with sharpness +1 looks better than the HDMI2 sharpness control.

I certainly do not think that those who are seeing it differently are wrong. I just think that it depends a lot on the rest of your equipment and how it is calibrated and interacts together. I have a 2D Sony 46 inch set. I have turned shrapness to 0 on it and disabled all forms of enhancement on it letting the Oppo run the show.

I also took the time this morning to play with 1080p24 and deep color as mentioned in an other post and it is not a problem in my setup. I do not see what others are seeing, The size of my TV may make them less noticeable than using a projector and big screen. Things stayed sharp and focused for me.

At the end of it all I must say for me the important thing is that although I may or may not have the exact true picture as intended by the director, I am enjoying watching a movie on my Oppo tremendously.

Here comes the million dollar question fellow members! Can you tell the difference between hdmi 1 & 2 when you play only blurays?

I see a difference, but a subtle one. And more on some discs than others. And after all the talk
on this thread I'm sure I'm way more sensitive (over-sensitive at this point) than I might be if it
had never come up.

(Although early on, I was less than thrilled watching HDMI 1 on a blu-ray, which is what first led me to experiment
with sharpness, and comparing with an older player, so obviously I was seeing something...)

It seems like there are a LOT of variables at play; display, taste, calibration, specific disc played,
eye sensitivity, obsessive image picky-ness, now with the report on 1080P/24 perhaps how the
player is set up, and how the player interacts with the rest of the equipment chain, etc. etc.)

I wonder if the 1080p/24 issue is not the player but certain displays just preferring 1080p/60 from the player instead if processing the 24hz themselves. It doesnt make much sense to me that the Marvell/Oppo would be more soft outputting whats on the disc, vs performing 2:3 pulldown.

It's not just an 'Oppo' thing. It happens on all makes and models of hardware media players. For some reason known only to Apple, they devised their own version of PCM audio (AIFF/SOWT) for placing within their .MOV container.

EDIT: As a test, you could try re-muxing the .MOV file into the .MKV container, using an application called MKVmerge GUI or into the .TS/.M2TS container, using an application called TSmuxer GUI.

But you'll most probably have to find an encoding application to convert the 'SOWT' PCM audio to something far more 'hardware player' user friendly

If fellow members see different things via hdmi 1 & 2 choosing one over the other is it safe to say the the player is not flawed?

That's a loaded and slightly ambiguous question. What do you consider 'flawed'? If you mean literally not functioning
properly, the only disc-playing report I've heard that seems to have some legs is that there may be a minor problem in the
4:2:2 color-space on HDMI 2 that has yet to be fixed. (Although the 1080P/24 question is interesting, but I agree
with gadgetfreek that it's probably an interface question and more about certain display limitations).

There also seems to be issue with sound sync on using the Oppo to process outside images (e.g, a cable
box), but Oppo has acknowledged it and continues to actively work on it. This last pass at firmware
was a step in going forward on that. I don't use the Oppo that way, so I can't comment personally.

If you mean an image that is less than optimal on blu-rays you are into the realm of the purely personal. I would
argue that HDMI 1 is 'flawed' in that you can't turn off all NR and other processing, even in source direct, but
that arguable 'flaw' is mitigated by the fact you can use HDMI 2 and get no additional processing. Beyond that
a few of us prefer the image on the BDP-83 to either output on the 103, but that is (for me) a very small and
very personal difference.

If you are talking about SD-DVDs, then the 103 is 'flawed' in that it doesn't do as good a job upscaling as the earlier Oppo
models that had the ABT chip, and some other players with different chips, but that is in part because many chip manufacturers
are no longer in the market. So it's a step backwards in quality, but not what I'd call a 'flaw'...

If fellow members see different things via hdmi 1 & 2 choosing one over the other is it safe to say the the player is not flawed?

"Flawed" is a hard judgment to make. In one sense it's "perfect" if you capture the HDMI output and find textbook grayscale levels (as has been done) and the chroma upsampling is being done correctly (and there is more than one way to do it).

On the other hand, people pay for video processors to process video. In one sense they are all flawed in that what comes out is not what goes in. If people like the effect then it isn't flawed, it's a feature.

What we are looking for is a way to have it both ways (although not at the same time; that's impossible). There is always potential for video tweaking in the firmware.

It's best rely on your own eyes rather than on what other people report.

If you now intend to create 'movie only' file back-ups... You could also create .MKV file muxes complete with the original video and audio streams and chapter points. Then you could add text-based SRT subtitles and/or graphics based VOBsub subtitles to the .MKV files

I want to transfer my old HD-DVD movies to movie only containers with both subtitles and chapters. Do you know of a guide that would walk me through this process?

I wonder if the 1080p/24 issue is not the player but certain displays just preferring 1080p/60 from the player instead if processing the 24hz themselves. It doesnt make much sense to me that the Marvell/Oppo would be more soft outputting whats on the disc, vs performing 2:3 pulldown.

I did some extensive testing today again, with WOW, Spears and Munsil and DVE. As far as the Oppo and my VT50 goes, I feel setting the Oppo to output 1080p/60 is best for my setup for other reasons. The VT50 artifacts in its 60hz mode, and then flickers in 96hz, so its best to let the Oppo do 2:3 on HDMI 1. I also did a lot of A/B, and I'm kinda thinking Im leaning towards Sharpness of +1 myself. I can see a small issue on a sharpness pattern, but in real HD content, I like what it does.

I'm a little wary of this product as it is a time-limited beta. Does the container have to be MKV for chapters or can I use other containers? Thanks.

nothing to be wary of. even after the 30 days (or 21 days, I forget) it continues to work. Also, you can always uninstall and do a fresh re-install as well.
But right now, mind just says "you can continue to use this for a while" even though I'm 10 days over.

BTW, Im not sure if you will be able to tell with these pics, but there is some slight ringing that appears on parts of the letters on this pattern with Sharpness +1, granted it does snap everything into focus when you go from 0 to +1. Pick your poison.

Sharpness 0

Sharpness +1 (you see a slight white area on top of bottom of letters)

I'm a little wary of this product as it is a time-limited beta. Does the container have to be MKV for chapters or can I use other containers? Thanks.

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Originally Posted by ckronengold

nothing to be wary of. even after the 30 days (or 21 days, I forget) it continues to work. Also, you can always uninstall and do a fresh re-install as well.
But right now, mind just says "you can continue to use this for a while" even though I'm 10 days over.

Each time when I started the program it told about these 30 days. It seems they never end

@Flave, I have done that transfer 2-3 weeks ago. I think I used MeGui for extracting and MKVToolNix for creating MKV`s. Well, for subtitles and chapters I prefer AVCHD`s now.

Make sure to contact oppo just to have it on file. Make sure customer service sends it directly to engineering. In addition to hdmi1 claymation choppiness I am now getting it on hdmi2 so basically hdmi input with cable box is unwatchable. At least blu ray works

On a more positive note, oshare is stupid easy to use and worked right off the bat for me. Now if I could just watch cable through hdmi input...

Im experiencing this as well on HDMI Input/HDMI 1 out with Dish Network. I had not been using the 103 as a VP for a bit, and just set stuff back up today. I reported to them via email a few mins ago. It's only happened once so far, but thats in 2 hours of watching and I just powercycled to fix.

I have owned the player for just over two weeks now, enough time to learn all its features, and reasonably seat in the components. My first impressions are that this unit is built as good, or better than any other piece of my electronics. The core of my system is Rotel, so that is saying a lot. Overall, everything functions more responsively than my previous player, the Oppo BDP-83. The remote is better built, but the power cord is flimsy, about half the diameter of my BDP-83. If you are one who likes top-end cords, that will be a disappointment.

Out of the box, everything functions wonderfully. I found it easy to find the menu, verifying the firmware, BDP10X-38-1220. Disk loading time is quick. The default picture from HDMI1 is…

Well, I hate to disappoint, but I can only describe what I saw as blurry. I project the image with an Epson home cinema 5020 projector, onto a 115” screen, so if it looks bad, then it really looks bad. From blue ray disk, background colors resemble ink-smudges, almost to the point it hurt my eyes to look at them. The video image is so heavily processed, the picture so slowed, that words no longer match the lips. I would describe the picture that I saw, as vary disappointing.

However… I did not package the unit up and send it back, although the pissed-off consumer in me was screaming to shove the player up Amazon’s ass. Instead, I dug back into the setup menu, toggled on an off a number of settings, until I found settings that apparently do not function correctly.

1080p24 Output – This setting is a big contributor to the soft picture. Instead of giving a wonderfully life-like smoothness, this setting distorts the focus, makes the picture jittery, and slows the picture down until the sound no longer matches the motion. It works perfectly in HDMI2 output, but collides horribly with the Qdeo processing out of HDMI1. Turn it off, and enjoy a huge difference in picture quality.

Deep Color HDMI1 – I am completely convinced this setting is the root of all the picture dropouts. As with the 1080p24 output, expanded color simply will not play nice with the Qdeo processing. Set it to 36bit, or 30bit, makes no difference. It simply will not work properly. Turn it off, and save yourself the headache. Most people will not appreciate the small increase in color accuracy anyway. Beyond that, everything seems to work as advertised.

My opinion so far; the unit is worth the large price tag. Stay away from the expanded color, and the 24p output and the unit should function as advertised.
And don’t try to run other electronics through it, to achieve a better picture. All you will do is create a headache for yourself.

This is a known issue with sending a 1080i signal to the player and the audio switches from multi-channel to stereo (and sometimes vice versa). We are working on resolving these errors through a future firmware release.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.

And then I asked basically to clarify, if that mean just channel changing from a DD 5.1 channel to a stereo channel, it may crop up, and here was the answer:

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Yes, that is correct. And the errors occur only with 1080i channels, not 720p or 480i/p channels.

They are, but players can be made to output 1080p/24 or 1080p/60. Some older displays cant handle 24hz input, and then some of them dont process it properly even if they are rated for it. So, once again, you turn it off

They are, but players can be made to output 1080p/24 or 1080p/60. Some older displays cant handle 24hz input, and then some of them dont process it properly even if they are rated for it. So, once again, you turn it off