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Statistical Analysis. Humor. Knicks.Wed, 04 Mar 2015 00:06:51 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.org/?v=4.0.1By: NateRobinsonhttp://KnickerBlogger.Net/2011-game-thread-knicks-magic-2/#comment-319011
Wed, 02 Mar 2011 17:09:26 +0000http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2011-game-thread-knicks-magic-2/#comment-319011We need to fill out the rest of the roster with good rotation players that compliment our stars. Rebounding C, bench swiss army knife forward, backup PG etc. Then we can judge this team, but the fact is this is not an ideal roster and MDA will have to make the most out of it in the meantime.

Frank O.:But the Knicks will need to figure out how to handle games that get turned into this kind of grind. The middle was packed in for both Amare and Carmelo because the Knicks shooters couldn’t hit a shot.
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Well said. They are giving the Knicks the Miami treatment. Where they force the role players to beat them from the outside. Granted Miami and Orlando are two of the best defensive teams in the league so it takes time to mesh as an offense.

This trade won’t be decided now, and probably not even next season. If we get either Paul or Williams, we’re as good as Miami. And we start attracting the vets who just want to win and don’t care about pay.

Furthermore, I’m guessing that by next season D’Antoni’s gone. I love him and his philosophy, but a team with Melo, Amare, and Billups is not SSOL. More importantly, if you have two bad/mediocre defenders, you need to have a strong defensive system. D’Antoni doesn’t bring that.

I’m encouraged by the team’s hunger the last few games, I don’t think that goes away. And that bodes well for the future. I’d love to see a round of playoff games this season, but I’d rather see a championship in 2013.

]]>By: Frank O.http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2011-game-thread-knicks-magic-2/#comment-318986
Wed, 02 Mar 2011 12:03:44 +0000http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2011-game-thread-knicks-magic-2/#comment-318986You cannot underestimate the impact the officiating had on the flow of the game. The Knicks are a flow team. But with something like 40+ plus ref-induced game stoppages, and the Magic’s desire to slow the game down, it took the Knicks out of their rhythm.
It helps the Magic exploit Knicks’ two weaknesses: No true center; and weak perimeter D.
Billups simply couldn’t keep up with jameer, but at least he was matching the scoring.

But the Knicks will need to figure out how to handle games that get turned into this kind of grind. The middle was packed in for both Amare and Carmelo because the Knicks shooters couldn’t hit a shot.

That too is an adjustment for them. The Knicks role players are finding it hard staying involved. Our big three scored more than 80 points last night, Carmelo took a ton of shots, and the rest of the guys were kind of forcing shots or not in the flow of the game and missing.
Landry had a solid game with I think 10 boards, but he was useless from 3. Douglas’s play down the stretch just blew the game. He only knows how to find his own shot. After two years, it seems strange that he can do no more than that.

I also don’t understand why if Amare seemed to be pretty effective he wasn’t getting more touches. There needs to be recognition that if Carmelo is cold, Amare will need to get a greater share of the shots.
But this all will get worked out in time. If they can play .500 ball for the next couple weeks, and a weak schedule will help, they’ll get a lot better for the stretch run.

]]>By: BigBlueALhttp://KnickerBlogger.Net/2011-game-thread-knicks-magic-2/#comment-318985
Wed, 02 Mar 2011 10:40:11 +0000http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2011-game-thread-knicks-magic-2/#comment-318985BTW dont get me wrong, obviously Melo cant be going 8 for 24 all the time. But everyone here just loves harping on Melo’s inefficiency like he is the only one struggling right now on this team.

Also the best part is when people try to make it seem like the Knicks gave up 4 of the most efficient players in history for Melo the chucker. Hello, Gallo is the only efficient player not here anymore and the Knicks have Billups now who is actually more efficient than Gallo is. Now all of a sudden Chandler is being missed because he was so efficient?? This is his career season and still this season his TS% is barely better than Melo’s this season and he is not even close to Melo for their careers. Need I remind you about Felton who in 3 games with Denver has a TS% of 40% and actually has negative win shares with them so far even though they are 2-1 in the games he has played?? The Knicks miss Mozgov a bit but its not because of his efficient offense.

I could care less how the hell this team wins as long as they just win. If they win 130-125 great. 90-85 fine by me. Im not going to complain because this team wins with a less efficient offense than before and because they do more post-ups and isos now like 95% of the other teams in the NBA do. Especially after just 4 freaking games with the new team.

]]>By: BigBlueALhttp://KnickerBlogger.Net/2011-game-thread-knicks-magic-2/#comment-318984
Wed, 02 Mar 2011 10:23:34 +0000http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2011-game-thread-knicks-magic-2/#comment-318984To be honest, you need to give Melo until the beginning of next season (not just Melo but this whole team). They need not only a full training camp but some better bench players which hopefully can be improved on with some cheap veteran FA signings during the off-season and a decent 1st-round draft pick.

I couldnt see much of tonight’s game but from some stuff Ive read alot of Melo’s misses tonight came when he played with the 2nd team, especially at the end of the 3rd quarter, where he is basically forced to take alot of shots. To me that is a key because when he is with that lineup hell Id rather him shoot everything especially considering how horrible all the non-Big 3 players have shot lately. At the end of the game I saw both TD and Fields airball WIDE open 3’s that couldve cut the lead in half.

Considering in 3 of the first 4 games since the trade the Knicks have played Top 5 defense and tonight play another really good defense in the Hornets the offense has been pretty damn good. Its going to look different but still be just as effective if not more so than before the trade. Really stop being so obsessed with just looking at Melo’s FG% and just look at is the offense still being effective?? The answer has been a Yes so far (I believe they have averaged almost the same pts/100 possessions as they did before the trade) and as I have mentioned it came against 3 very good defenses and the offense hasnt even looked that good yet it still has been effective.

Defense and rebounding will still be the key to whether the Knicks win or lose, not Melo’s FG%.

And while it is certainly worth saying what you said for the sake of a mainstream audience (and you’re absolutely correct in your points), I do think we need to give Melo more time to adjust before giving him too much guff over his inefficiency. I believe someone suggested seven more games. That sounds fair to me. If he’s still playing then the same as he is now, then, well, that will be a problem.

]]>By: Peter87http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2011-game-thread-knicks-magic-2/#comment-318976
Wed, 02 Mar 2011 08:03:21 +0000http://KnickerBlogger.Net/2011-game-thread-knicks-magic-2/#comment-318976Knicks were doing well when Melo was a non-factor, staying up by about 10. When he started forcing shots, it all went down the drain. My nickname for him: MK (Momentum Killer).