It's frightening how Oligarchy and Socialism can look so much alike to me. Going through the list, the exact same points can be used on the path for fascism or an Oligarchy of the super-rich. Even number 8 has its uses. First, obfuscate as long as possible, then simply be the controlling council when "Socialism triumphs" (because it all sounds good, the people choose planners who listen to the people...heh, sounds like a representative republic to me, only with less strict voting) or fall back into Capitalism where they already control the majority. Socialism is the bait and the trap. Desperate well intentioned people trained their entire life to distrust or hide religion, are first convinced their Gov't should be the vehicle of do-good/feel-goodism that used to get covered by religious orgs. The wealthy has one party that pretends to be for the people and one party to be the scapegoat that gets things done to their advantage. The best times are when both parties can blame all badness on neither party, like the Tea Party.

Just think about it. Who paid for Obamacare, a 'win for all socialists' and the common man? The wealthy pay no more for their cadillac health plans than before, but now they can opt out of paying for healthcare on the businesses they own as soon as the fine is less than the coverage. It is just a big built in safety valve for the rich. The middle class now pays for any poor people since added to the healthcare system from Obamacare. It was their plans that went up when Obamacare hit. This can be applied anywhere. Who loses when there is a bailout or when the stock market takes a dive, the people who have professionals that can pull the money out before the problem hits (exacerbating it for the rest of us) or the common man with their money sunk in 401Ks that cannot be withdrawn without huge penalties and so are at the mercy of the markets?

I don't think Socialism is anywhere near taking hold in the US, but I do believe that many people dream of it and many people hate the very idea of it. As long as the same group keeps all eyes on that conflict (and other emotional issues like abortion) no one is noticing that the same group pulls all of the strings no matter what happens.

Why, yes, I am paying attention. I am not paying attention to the Media or those who are being dragged, kicking and screaming into the 21st century. I don't listen to the "common wisdom" which is neither common nor wisdom. The old way of doing things is precisely what brought us to our present state. Are you suggesting that we regress and do it all over again? If we return to the way we did things in the 1950's, where do you think we would be in 65 years? Exactly where we are today, that's where.

Some of your comments were a bit perplexing. Would you name a few of the countries that liberals have destroyed?

I like # 5. Remove the ability of the people to defend themselves from the government. The government has bombs, missiles, aircraft, tanks, etc. You have nothing available that would be more than a minor annoyance to the government if they decided to declare war on Americans.

As for Obama, he is the worst Muslim ever. He eats bacon, supports women's rights, drinks beer, sings, dances, wears gold, listens to music, and so on.

The government is losing control of healthcare. People are taking their healthcare into their own hands. They are rejecting government statements on how diseases should be treated. More and more people are becoming aware of the lies of big Pharma and the AMA.

The old form of education is failing and new schools are starting up that do not follow the guidelines set forth by the government. People are home schooling. These things are happening because traditional schooling methods and objectives are not viable.

The financial systems of the world are in really deep doo-doo. Stock markets are on the verge of crashing, government debt in Europe, the US and Japan is so hellacious that there is no way it can ever be repaid. Europe is spiraling down now, Japan is next and then the US. You cannot solve these problems with less taxes, less services etc. The solution imposed on Greece was austerity. What happened? It made the problem worse. Austerity meant less money circulating, which meant less taxes, which meant the government had less money, which meant there had to be more austerity.

So what can you do? You can acknowledge that our current monetary system is a failure and is beyond redemption. You build a new one, that's what, and that is what the world will do. The new one will arise from the people, not the governments. They are failing also and have no idea what to do anyway.

The people you think are useful idiots are quietly throwing off the chains of government and the old ways and taking control of their own lives. They are not talking about it, or demonstrating in the streets. They are not organized, and indeed are, for the most part are not even aware that others are doing what they are doing. The people who are frothing at the mouth, screaming and demonstrating, both liberal and conservative, are not a part of the forward motion of the human race, but instead are like Neanderthals, trying to drag us back to systems and old ways that did not work very well in the old days and cannot work at all in these times.

The idea that our "leaders" control us is an illusion shared by leaders and by the unwashed masses. We are moving away from centralized government, the idea that money is power, and the idea that people must be told what to do and what to believe. The government, health care, Wall Street and religion are losing credibility. When a good portion of the population realizes that power resides within the individual and not in organizations and institutions, the organizations and institutions will become irrelevant.

That is what is happening now in America. We are sloughing off the old, outdated ways of being and beginning to take our power. The old ways will fight to the bitter end to maintain themselves, but they are fast losing ground and will ultimately become totally irrelevant. It will take time and it will be interesting, but the outcome is already known.

I can read what you said and say, "everything is just fine". I am not looking at the obvious, because the obvious is misleading. Everything is not just fine, it is terrific.

Just my opinion, but I would say several statements above are pretty far off. Like Gov't missiles, bombs, etc. Many military personnel would go into an American house and arrest/take by force a man or small group they were told were subversive. It gets a whole lot louder and messier if the man or group has guns and the military sends a bomb into an American house. Start doing that all around the US? An unarmed populace can be controlled by a military quietly and the military itself is more likely to follow orders to arrest. Start ordering in air strikes in Topeka Kansas and I bet the Gov't control fails fast.

When did Obamacare get repealed? The Gov't already had a lot of control over healthcare even before Obamacare and though Obama care did not immediately make all businesses drop healthcare and just pay fines, a lot of them did and many more will do it as more and more pressure is brought to bear. Businesses are where that battle is being fought. If you think more and more Americans are getting personal insurance outside Obamacare, I would love to see that source.

The 'old form' of public education is getting replaced more and more, but that is precisely because the people you denigrate, non-liberals, are actively seeking other education because they don't like the socialist and communist doctrine that is permeating public education. That proves the point of the post.

Financial systems have been set up and manipulated by the wealthy since the invention of money. The stabilizing effect is whether Gov't balances the avarice of the super-rich or facilitates it. It was arguable before, but since the Feingold/McCain finance reform law was passed, the rich have gained complete control of state and federal Gov't and all media outlets have been unfettered. The question is: Is our country moving towards Socialism or Oligarchy? Its not so funny how the two can look so similar.

I see no signs of people throwing off any chains of Government. If a third party emerges, that is a sign of 'the people' doing something.

I won't comment on the descent into delusion in the bottom of your post anymore than that. If you feel you should take umbrage, please describe the form of Government our not in doubt future will hold

The whole idea that the government is going to go around arresting people for having guns or whatever it is you think is going to motivate them is a bit far fetched. We have had preppers around for more than 50 years and it hasn't happened yet. The government has and will have far bigger fish to fry because the government is failing as we speak. It has been essentially paralyzed for the past few years and shows no signs at all that it is going to do anything in the future.

Obamacare? Who mentioned that? Not me. Health care in the US is failing. Obamacare is a method of delivering the failing health care. I never gave a fig whether Obamacare passed or not. It is not important. Even the manipulations of Big Pharma with their outrageously priced, mostly ineffective pills and potions are not really important. Western health care fails at the source with their penchant for relieving symptoms, not eliminating causes. It views the body as a kind of car engine that you tweak and replace parts instead of a complicated and balanced ecosystem.

I was not thinking of Christian home schooling when I spoke of education. I was thinking of progressive schools that are beginning to understand how to teach the children that have been born in this century. The Christian home schooling is actually retrogressive.

No matter how financial systems got to where they are today, they are failing. They will fail because they are not viable in today's world. Talking about how they have been corrupt since the beginning is not productive. They are what they are and that is what we have to deal with. How they got here is not relevant.

I really doubt that a third party will emerge, at least not in the sense that you mean it. People who consider themselves Independents are more numerous than Republicans or Democrats. Registered Reps are 25% of population, Dems 36%. That leaves 39% who do not feel strongly enough about either to identify with them. It is likely that our two major parties will wither away from irrelevance.

You throw around labels and assumptions like they were confetti. You have decided that I am a liberal, so therefor I am for Obamacare. You were wrong. You think it is important to label a person or a view as communist, a fascist, socialist, etc. Most people and their ideas are not pure anything. They might believe a little of this and some of that, or they may not think about it at all. Because a person has one idea that you consider fascist does not make them "fascist". They might have another idea that is communist and another that is conservative Republican. I know it would be convenient for you, but people simply do not fall into neat little categories.

I did not denigrate non liberals or anyone else. You do not know the difference between respectfully disagreeing and denigrating. I did not write about my disagreements with liberals because the original post was about conservative beliefs and I responded to that.

You do not see the signs of progress because you are looking in the wrong places.

Hmmm, I would say pretty far off again. Far fetched is the Gov't using missiles on its populace. You said that, not me. All I said was that covert Gov't ops including home invasions are much more likely than using guns and bombs on your own populace, and that is more likely with an unarmed populace.

I admit, I was far off with you on Obamacare, only because US healthcare is still rated #1 in the world especially for serious health issues and I have not heard anyone saying our doctors are failures. You are the first. And, you said "the Gov't is losing healthcare". To me that implied a Gov't connection, the most obvious of which is the recent Gov't take over of healthcare delivery. US healthcare has its problems, it is overpriced, big pharma has too much political influence, it does treat symptoms rather than teach wellness, but that last is not a doctor's job, imo. Falling apart? Doctors educated all over the world want to come here, for the pay. If we're falling apart most of the rest of the world is worse off. We have magnitudes more toys than every other country in the world. While some machines may be useless, MRI machines are generally recognized as very useful and I believe we have more in the US than the rest of the world combined.

I surely hope your progressive schools do help. What systems are those, because up here in WI I have not heard of any far reaching progressive public programs teaching students any better today than the last 2 decades. There are a few schools here and there and I seem to have heard of 2 districts around the nation having some success, but the success is primarily compared to its own prior years, not actual quality education. Care to give any elaboration?

Concerning finances, you stated everything was on the verge of collapse and we should 'build a new one'. Without recognizing the causes and history, your new system will repeat itself, unless you start planning for a new system of Governmental organization and I asked you for yours. As a matter of fact, I did not have you pegged as a liberal, I had you pegged as a Socialist or Communist in general belief. Please don't assume I mean those words as epithets either. I do not hate or fear the ideas of Socialism or Communism in their theoretical guises, I just don't think either considers human nature, nor are they productive/creative societies. I asked you to identify the vehicle for your amazing humans throwing off their chains event, because I did not see it above, nor in your next response.

I doubt a third party will emerge too, my meaning was that individuals were not throwing away chains, they were still accepting more. Breaking the 2 party system would be a landmark event (which I believe is necessary for any meaningful change without a major collapse event happening first) indicating the people asserting their rights to govern themselves again instead of the Oligarchy we have now. You seem to be suggesting that people will just lose interest in the US Gov't and it will fade away (be irrelevant) and that is just silly. People in power will not just let people stop playing the game. Disinterest will lead to a further consolidation of power.

I did not think I was throwing labels and I am much more familiar than most that very few people have a pure view of anything. For instance, I am a Christian and I despise all the religious movements that try to change laws to fit their moral code. I am a fiscal conservative, but my affiliation is Libertarian. I don't fit anywhere. I agree that accepting labels often lends itself to being an oval pegged into a circular hole, but without identifying yourself (even as no part of any of the above) all I can do is analyze your words and compare them to what I perceive as reality. Btw, I never called you a liberal, I said you denigrated a group of non-liberals which I admit after re-reading I was wrong to do, but then you said this:

The Christian home-schooling is actually retrogressive

and it tuned out my instincts were correct, for that is a denigration. To be clear, that is not a condemnation of you. I denigrate religious conservatives for trying to make religious based laws all the time and I am technically both religious and conservative. It does not make me a liberal either.

I did not write about my disagreements with liberals because the original post was about conservative beliefs and I responded to that.

That I can identify with completely. For instance, it seems you think I am a frothing religious Republican blindly defending the Faith. I am not, but that assessment may be fair to you, based upon your interpretations of my first response. I thought I was clearly attacking your response, but you were immediately convinced that I was attacking you as a liberal, and you generalized me then as a stereotyped anti-liberal. I understand your pain perfectly, but if you were to re-read my first response as if you believed I were a thinking person, perhaps we could disagree a bit more agreeably.

As far as health care is concerned, I was talking about Western medicine, as opposed to Ayervedic, Ancient Chinese medicine, homeopathic, etc. The US is #1 because only allopathic medicine is compared. The prejudices of the people rating the medical care are such that they do not even consider that another form of medical care could possibly even work, so none are considered. Allopathic medicine is great if you are laying in pieces on the street. If you have adrenal fatigue, good luck. It views the body as a machine and totally ignores the ecological system that it is.

It is not the doctors job to teach wellness??!! WHAAAT??!! That is exactly what his job should be. To prevent the problem in the first place is far preferable to treating it after the fact.

The human race is changing drastically. Human nature is changing. What we are seeing beginning to happen cannot be predicted by looking to the past. The future will be totally different from anything that has happened in the past. Eventually, there will be no money at all, and I am not referring to the idea that it will be electronic. I mean we will have no use for money in any form. We have to go through a few stages to get to that, though, but it will happen.

The government is going to go down kicking and screaming, but it is irrelevant and has no real basis for it's existence. People will lose interest in it and will take on many of it's functions on a more local level. Did you know that 1/3 of the population in the US is what is called Cultural Creatives. These are the people that are concerned about the environment, care about what they put in and on their bodies, want equal rights for everyone, do not define success as making a lot of money. They may or may not be religious and are often very spiritual.

To say something is retrogressive is not denigrating it. Christian home schooling, especially among Evangelicals, harks back to a time before Darwin and sometimes, before science. Therefore, it is retrogressive. I am not judging whether being retrogressive is good or bad. Retrogressive education probably will not prepare anyone to function very well in today's world. Personally, I don't agree with Darwinism and I find main stream science to be very limited. Quantum physics is where it is at these days.

Actually, I never thought about your religion. If someone had asked me, I probably would have said you are a Christian (a pretty safe guess, since the vast majority of Americans are) and probably not Episcopalian. And no, I did not think you were attacking me as a liberal. I thought you were assuming I was a liberal, which was probably not a good thing in your book.

I also did not think you were a non-thinking individual. If I did, I would not have answered you and certainly not in detail as I have. I do not waste my time with knee-jerk Christians, liberals, conservatives or knee-jerk anything. If I post something and I get back a bunch of insults, incomprehensibility, and general frothing at the mouth, I drop it completely and do not engage them again.

Denigrate, by the way, means to criticize unfairly. Do you really mean that you criticize religious conservatives unfairly? It seems to me that there are plenty of fair reasons to criticize them, if you are in to criticizing.

As far as health care is concerned, I was talking about Western medicine, as opposed to Ayervedic...

I would certainly say that entire category is fair. It is not easily comparable. A doctor is someone you go to after you are sick or hurt. Wellness should be taught in the home, in schools, in programs in a work environment, etc. A Doctor should certainly know and be able to suggest a wellness program or solution, but they should not be the font of wellness, imo. If you prevent the problem in the first place you never need go to the doctor.

As much as I am for a small Gov't with limited powers, I don't think you give them enough credit. Who would do highways in a local environment? Who would be police with no compensation (or do we qualify harder jobs as getting more of the community goods)? How would a criminal ever be caught going from one community to the next if there is no continuity? If one single strong country did not fragment into communities, what would stop them from taking over control of each community? Do you really think everyone will just drop greed and ambition at once? I don't. The US could be predominantly cultural creatives, but the rest of the world is not and the US still has more wealth in resources than much of the rest of the world combined if you exclude Canada and Russia. They would laugh as they took over a bunch of peaceful communities, took whatever they wanted and forced you to do whatever they wanted you to do. The US is not the world. It is not China, it is not Islam, it is not dozens of countries wanting nothing more than what we have and they would cross an ocean to take it if they could. That is just my opinion and why I think History is important. Complacency has always bred contempt, so unless the world starts ignoring Gov't, war, soldiers, money, etc. all at once, a culturally created US would soon size to exist.

I'll give you tomayto/tomahto on retrogressive. If I say the education you received is not likely to prepare you for the world today, I would not be surprised if you considered that an insult or unfair criticism, assuming you appreciated your education. I can say I did not mean that badly all I want, but denigration is much like being offended, it is in the eye of the beholder. If I was a home schooled Christian, I believe would feel insulted whether you meant to or not.

I do not waste my time with knee-jerk Christians, liberals, conservatives or knee-jerk anything.

LOL, I am weak. I will sometimes bait, but thank you for your courtesy. I do much prefer to have discussion over rants.

Denigrate does mean criticize unfairly, but it also means disparage and if you look at synonyms, most references will still say 'criticize' even without the adjective. I do disparage some Christian hypocrites, of which there are many classes.

I don't hate or look down on liberals or Christians (or any other faith or non-faith for that matter) or conservatives. I do look down on all party partisans of today. Left and right throw out so much garbage at each other every second of every day and somehow the partisans are convinced their party and news sources (I call them LSM and RSM for left and right stream media)is squeaky clean and honest while the other party members are the devil incarnate and liars. I cannot fathom it from any angle except that they have willingly accepted indoctrination.

I think that a problem we have here is
that you take what I have said and try to overlay it on the world as
you see it today. As I said before, the world is changing and it is
changing in a way that it has never before, so reviewing history and
saying that something will happen because it has always happened
that way before is not necessarily going to hold true now.

Sure, in 1950 if we had been passive
the USSR probably would have tromped all over us. This is not 1950.
World leaders have to take into account that they are interdependent
on the rest of the world and that war destroys what they are trying
to take over. A lot of them are not realizing that at this time, but
changes are slow. Humanity is learning from all the violence, greed
and plain stupidity going on now.

Who will make the roads? Why do you
assume that since the State, County or Feds do it now that it can't
be done by private endeavor? They are printing houses and other
buildings now and will soon be doing it on a large scale, quickly and
cheaply. Why not print roads?

We will still have companies that
manufacture household goods, cars, electronics, etc. The factories
and companies will operate entirely differently from what they do
now. They will be “flatter”, meaning that each person does what
needs to be done, and understands their job and it's place in the
whole process. When there is a problem the people who are involved in
that part of the company will meet and try to find solutions rather
than the “solutions” being imposed from above by someone who
hasn't a clue what the problem is or how to solve it.

Most of the people of today, especially
the older ones, are not ready for this kind of society, so that holds
it back a bit. The younger people are ready. That is why they seem to
have such a different view of jobs, life goals, etc. which older
people do not understand at all.

Offense is in the eye of the beholder.
We certainly see enough of it today. Everyone is offended at
everything. You would have to work very, very hard to offend me. If
you told me that my education did not prepare me for the world today,
I would not consider that an insult. It would be your opinion. I
would ask you why it did not, just because I would be curious. My
education took place in the 40's, 50's and 60's, so you could say it
did not prepare me for today's world. I feel it did in that it
prepared me for the world of the sixties and as the world changed, I
had plenty of time to change with it.

The far left and the far right are
mirror images of one another. They have several shared beliefs, chief
among them is that they are right and no one else's truth is
important. They both believe that they have the right, even the duty,
to force their way of thinking on other people. They lose objectivity
and are unable to see any idea except through their red or blue
tinted glasses. They balance each other out and leave the people in
the middle to make the actual changes.

I think we have just about exhausted
these subjects. Anything else you would care to discuss?

I think that a problem we have here is that you take what I have said and try to overlay it on the world as you see it today. As I said before, the world is changing and it is changing in a way that it has never before, so reviewing history and saying that something will happen because it has always happened that way before is not necessarily going to hold true now.

I do hope you are right on this. I think we have interpreted the evidence to date differently, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't want to live in your world view.

It is difficult to initiate a topic of today with someone who has such a different view of where today is heading. This is not a criticism, but since we disagree with what the signs of today mean, it may be difficult to 'compare topics' since we may not be able to agree on the terms of the discussion. We disagree on what our current economic situation means, for instance, so speaking of anything that concerns it would be unlikely to be productive. I imagine we share a lot of views on social issues, but I do have one I would like to ask of one with your perspective: What happens with the poor and the criminal world in your view? I know they are offered honest jobs, but I would assume that many would not take them if they did not think they were 'good enough'. What would your policy be? Or how would my assumption be made invalid?

First
of all, even now, we do not have enough jobs for all the people that
are able and willing to work. Of the people eligible to work, only
64% are actually working. Unemployment may be around 5 or 6%, but
that does not mean that employment is 95 or 96%. There are people who
are stay at home parents, people who have given up on finding work,
people who do not even enter the work force until well after their
18
th birthday, and so on. This does not count the under
employed who are qualified for a better job but are counted as fully
employed for statistical purposes.

Technology
has already taken a good percentage of jobs. Automobile assembly
lines are highly automated, computers handle data bases and such much
more quickly and easily than a human can, crops are harvested by huge
machines that are operated by one person, etc.

It is
predicted that technology will eliminate 40% of the jobs we have now
within 20 years, and technology will not be able to employ more than
a small fraction of those it displaces.

We
will, probably well before the end of the century, transition to a
moneyless society. Meanwhile, we are going to have to find some way
for people to thrive in a society where there are not full time jobs
for even half of the people, but we will still have some sort of
financial or semi-financial system for a few decades.

The
solution will come from the people. Government may pick up on it and
help to initiate it, but it is really outside the box thinking for
them. They will most likely continue on the same old road until it is
totally washed out and they can't proceed further.

One
solution that has been bandied about for decades is to pay people a
decent stipend for simply existing. Anyone who wants to can simply
accept that. Anyone who wants more can get a job or set up a
business.

That
would eliminate the poor. Criminals are mostly looking for money. If
there is enough money to get by, there is much less likelihood of
people robbing convenience stores. Money would be valued less and
quality of life more. If a kid is not raised on the mean streets of
Chicago, but in a city where the schools are supportive of him and he
is valued as a human being by others and there is always enough money
for decent food on the table, he is likely to become a caring adult
whose concern is for others and what contribution he can make to the
community, not how much he can take by force from the community.

Drug
addiction will dwindle because when drug addicts are placed in a
supportive community where they feel that they are a valuable and
contributing member of that community, drug addiction drops sharply.
Without the homelessness, dysfunctional schools and crime ridden
neighborhoods, young people will not become drug addicts as they do
now.

The
people are becoming different. They are and will be less concerned
with money and prestige, and more with fulfilling themselves by doing
what they like to do and helping others and the community. In twenty
years the children born in 2000 and later will be a large force in
society and they are very, very different from those of us born in
the mid twentieth century. They do not have the same values. Get a
job that pays good money, stick with it and retire so you can do the
things you want to do. Yeah, right. In the first place that is not
even an option today for most. Second, they are smart enough to know
that you can do what you want to right from the start in the world
that they are building.

Meanwhile, we are going to have to find some way for people to thrive in a society where there are not full time jobs for even half of the people

Yes, that is the question. A stipend for living, interesting. Would it be country by country or a world endeavor? Some places are much cheaper to live in, assuming they are given more than just food and shelter, do cheaper places get less stipend?

That would eliminate the poor. Criminals are mostly looking for money. If there is enough money to get by, there is much less likelihood of people robbing convenience stores. Money would be valued less and quality of life more. If a kid is not raised on the mean streets of Chicago, but in a city where the schools are supportive of him and he is valued as a human being by others and there is always enough money for decent food on the table, he is likely to become a caring adult whose concern is for others and what contribution he can make to the community, not how much he can take by force from the community.

This presumes the change by people comes before the elimination of money, correct? Money would not exist anymore otherwise. I think one problem with this thought line is presuming that a majority of criminals are merely 'stealing a crust of bread'. Pandering to human weakness is the basis of crime. Gambling, sex, drugs that change emotions and all for money, or chits or whatever people would be using to get other things. Organized big business crime is much more common than a starving kid stealing a pie from an open window and if that is not taken into account, I don't think the solution will be valid. Example, in any city there are beautiful large homes on the lake and old tumble down buildings more suited for rats only. Maybe we fix those rat-holes up over time, but who lives in the mansions by the lake? Are the rich kicked out? Are they forced to live in the rat holes or do they push out some middle classer who then must find a new home? If the houses are given out randomly you will still have a lot of people who have always lived in comparative squalor who will have jealousy/anger/rage towards those who got 'more'. Are we going to bulldoze all the nice homes in the name of equality/fairness? If the same people get to keep their home, you can bet whatever passes for all of your money that the poor will not care that they just have enough to eat. Poppies are the #1 export of Afghanistan and a primary source of their ruling class's power. It makes heroine. One try generally addicts for life without a lot of luck with the drug therapy designed to get people off it. Many people who have enough to eat get addicted to heroine. The wave of beneficent creative culturalism is more likely to last hit people vulnerable to this and is about as far away from Afghanistan as it can get.

In my view, most solutions will first require this new generation change to take place. I am not rooting for the seven sins or anything, but I just don't see the same signs that the human race is casting them off that you are. I do hope you are right, though.

I don't know what is worse, your writing or the fuzzy nuts, scrambled brain thinking that underlies your premise. Try and pay attention, when you insert God into every conversation, and want to rewrite history and history books, that is government control of information. At least half of the items on this "socialist" playbook are things the GOP promotes every day. It is so interesting how confused thinkers like yourself see programs to help the poor and disadvantaged as handouts and programs that primarily help wealthy whites as necessary functions of government. Things like tax deductions on real estate, estate tax cuts, corporate welfare. This thinking goes back generations. The GI bill set the base for suburban growth and accumulation of wealth that allowed whites to choose to not live around black and brown people.That was a handout. That same thinking has morons today talking about getting their country back. Back from where and who? The US recovered from the world wide depression better than any other country, the stock market is off the chart, the tech bubble is bursting, inflation is low, home prices are up, unemployment is down. The only problem we have is that all of the recovery has been at the top and the middle class is still suffering.

What is clear is that because of silly websites created by idiots who believe that we are losing America people are afraid. The US has changed. The middle class is gone. The decent paying jobs they had replaced by Wal-Mart and CVS. That's not Saul
Alinsky. That's because of corporate greed. Who makes America's computers and electronics? Who makes our clothing? As for America becoming Communist or Socialist. Medicare and Medicare and Social Security work. Socialist programs but they work. The new ACA is also working.

America has changed and I think for the better. Of course their are those who pine for the days when women couldn't vote. Blacks were slaves or segregated and endless wars.

The American Healthcare system is working better for the majority of people since the ACA than before the ACA.

Millions of people have health insurance that they didn't have before, there are no lifetime caps on benefits and you can't be denied healthcare because of pre-existing conditions.

Until we go to single payer(Medicare for every American) the ACA has had a positive impact.

My wife works in a hospital(for profit hospital) and before the ACA they were losing money. The hospital sent out a email to all employees that said after the ACA was implemented the hospital was forecasting they would be making a profit. After a couple of years with the ACA in force the hospital is even making more profit than they had forecast and the nurses and other assistants all got a 3% raise, the first one in 4 years.

But you go ahead and believe what you want, I have a feeling reality doesn't affect your opinions.

I believe we have become so divided as a Nation, The very foundation we stand on is become weak. As arguing political party's reach for more power we the people suffer. The unfortunate among us grow in numbers every day. People have become angry, most did not ask for this. Like I said ask the person that lost everything what they think, what they see. What happened? We are loosing each other. That is America, each of us..

while i agree with your sentiment, i believe you may be seeing one side of a problem that has plagued minority americans since the founding of the country.

the insecurities that come with losing a job, a home, etc. are now coming home to roost in the white community and, of course, one can think america has lost something, that something was never realized by non whites (in any great numbers).

america hasn't lost anything because it never had the things you enjoyed. the false sense of security was just that, politicians have no interest in your well being. whites were convenient to "bestow" the gifts of relative prosperity. the corporations were still reaping billions while paying low wages, but the cost of living was also lower, making one think everything was fine.

the corporations are treating the white american like a disposable commodity because you are. the rich get richer and the middle class becomes the lower class and there is nothing you can do about it.

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