Er...by "east" I mean something on the order of making my way up to Katoomba. Which, to be fair, IS east. But OK, it's more north east. I'm good with a GriGri, not a compass.

And no, had my fill of Frog heat last April. (Did my damnedest to bag the 18 18s. But fell short.)

Maybe what I'll do is just hitch a ride down to Taz and take in the cooler temps there. I hear there's all kinds of hottie cheerleader climber types, rolling down in caravans and looking for random boys on the lark. Happens all the time.

On 12/12/2012 Captainstargazer wrote:>Maybe what I'll do is just hitch a ride down to Taz and take in the cooler>temps there. I hear there's all kinds of hottie cheerleader climber types,>rolling down in caravans and looking for random boys on the lark. Happens>all the time.

How did you know that stugang is going there then? Did davidn tell you?

On 12/12/2012 dawyndham wrote:>On 12/12/2012 Captainstargazer wrote:>>OhMyJesus. This thread has become a monster. >>Welcome to Chockstone. Or just about any Internet forum for that matter.

Yes. I find it interesting how some threads seem to take on a life and grow, while others die a natural death in quick time. I still have not discovered the consistent link between those that gain a life and survive yet.
~> Ahh the vagaries of the interweb, ... ~> Chockstone; ... almost a second best game to climbing!

Hi im 28, female, just moved to Melbourne from England, I came here on my own and am looking to meet friends and find travel partners for trips from Melbourne. Im really friendly and sociable, easy going, down to earth and always up for a laugh. Give me a txt and we can meet for drinks and make plans :) 041485**** + show full number Gosia please only txt me if you are a genuine traveller looking for buddies, and preferably females :)

I'll probably just follow up on that and live happily ever after. Probably even give up climbing...

On 12/12/2012 One Day Hero wrote:>The average monthly temperature of the rock at Moonarie in January is 280 degrees which is hotter than the surface of Mars!

You're right about that. The average surface temperature on Mars is about -63℃. The Moon is even hotter than the real Moon (average surface temperature about -98℃) or Mercury (-3℃). Venus is a nasty 462℃ all over though. I suspect people will be rockclimbing on other planets by the end of the millenium, but other grading systems will be necessary (hopefully only one per planet!)

On 12/12/2012 prb wrote:>You're right about that. The average surface temperature on Mars is about>-63℃. The Moon is even hotter than the real Moon (average surface>temperature about -98℃) or Mercury (-3℃). Venus is a nasty>462℃ all over though.

Ok, I mighta got the Mars thing wrong (could have sworn the surface was also quite hot during the daytime). You're mistaken about the real Moon, average surface temp is not particularly informative. Look at the daily max. and min. before planning your trip!.............probably the same with the more local Moon, if you just looked at daily averages it would seem like Feb is a good time to go!

Oh, and Mercury......450C at lunchtime if you're climbing near the equator!

On 12/12/2012 Rocketeh wrote:>Moonarie will be a bit warmer, but an early start and working with>whatever shade is available will make that fine too.

So east facing cliff in the middle of the desert in summer, and your solution is to get an early start? Sometimes on Chocky I feel like that weird little kid in The Sixth Sense......"I see stupid people. They're everywhere, and they don't know they're stupid"!

>>Don't see what all the doom and gloom is about, you can climb anytime>if you don't just sit in the sun all day. We sure as hell don't quit climbing>in Perth just because summer comes along!

Maybe if you had quit climbing in summer, your brain wouldn't have gotten fried!

On 12/12/2012 dawyndham wrote:>>This is driving 3000km in order to relocate to Melbourne, and taking some>time out to climb in between rather than drive non stop for three days.

O.k., so you have to do the horrible death drive in summer, and you're looking to check some stuff out on the way. Makes sense......for you.

Now put yourself in the yank's shoes. He's on a plane, flying round the world for a climbing holiday. Coulda gone to Thailand, Europe, anywhere in the whole world, but he's coming to Australia.....to climb! Not to fuching pay petrol money for your relocation, whilst frying his fingertips off on a variety of halfcut choss. If you went on a climbing holiday to the US, would you wanna go on some fuched up road trip through all the corn, stopping at a bunch of terrible crags you'd never heard of?

Use your head! If he gets a good week in at proper crags in Tassie, bit of climbing and a bit of canyoning at the Blueys, maybe a bit of time at Point Perp.......it'll be a way better trip than the bullshit you're doing. Anyway, he's smart enough to have worked that out, that's why he politely told you to stick your stupid epic up your arse.

On 12/12/2012 One Day Hero wrote:>Now put yourself in the yank's shoes. He's on a plane, flying round the>world for a climbing holiday. Coulda gone to Thailand, Europe, anywhere>in the whole world, but he's coming to Australia.....to climb! Not to fuching>pay petrol money for your relocation, whilst frying his fingertips off>on a variety of halfcut choss. If you went on a climbing holiday to the>US, would you wanna go on some fuched up road trip through all the corn,>stopping at a bunch of terrible crags you'd never heard of?

Well actually yes I would. I drove across the US in 2007 without a plan and stopped at a lot of places I'd never heard of. And when I was living in Toronto I found some awesome climbing at Bon Echo, Metcalfe, Devil's Glen. All places 95% of the people on this forum have probably never heard of.

>>Use your head! If he gets a good week in at proper crags in Tassie, bit>of climbing and a bit of canyoning at the Blueys, maybe a bit of time at>Point Perp.......it'll be a way better trip than the bullshit you're doing.>Anyway, he's smart enough to have worked that out, that's why he politely>told you to stick your stupid epic up your arse.

Proper crags? Please define. There was a time when Arapiles was considered a choss-pile not worth climbing. From my experience a crag is only ever considered worthwhile when it gets a lot of traffic, something that a crag 5+ hours drive from Perth will never achieve no matter how stellar the climbing. If Arapiles was in the middle of the Nullarbor it would probably have about 20 routes on it, if that.

You know some people like granite slab climbing. Not everyone wants to do the same climbs, a fact I'm sure you are thankful of when The Pines are packed but miraculously the climb you want to do has nobody on it when you get there.

I was making a suggestion, not twisting anyone's leg. The man was coming over here from the states wanting to see a lot of the country. Anyone can catch a bus to Arapiles, finding climbing partners willing to explore out-of-the-way places like Peak Charles is a lot harder.

I can respect that the man wants to head somewhere cooler I was making an offer of someone to climb with, which as far as I can see nobody else has.

Captainstargazer I'll check back here when I cross the border from SA back into Vic. If you're at Arapiles or the Grampians, maybe we can sort out a climb.

On 13/12/2012 dawyndham wrote:>Well actually yes I would. I drove across the US in 2007 without a plan>and stopped at a lot of places I'd never heard of. And when I was living>in Toronto I found some awesome climbing at Bon Echo, Metcalfe, Devil's>Glen. All places 95% of the people on this forum have probably never heard>of.

Both those crags look utterly fuched, the videos cracked me up though. I think you have the most appallingly low standards in crags of anyone I've ever come across..........that Canadian shit makes Wingello look like Ceuse!

well given he went to Ontario to climb limestone, he missed the good climbing in Canada by about 5000km. Perth to Araps means he's only missed by about 3000km this time, so he's getting closer. Couple more big trips & he'll be bang on :)

On 13/12/2012 james wrote:>well given he went to Ontario to climb limestone, he missed the good climbing>in Canada by about 5000km. Perth to Araps means he's only missed by about>3000km this time, so he's getting closer. Couple more big trips & he'll>be bang on :)

Really, where did I say that? I climbed granite and gneiss in BC, I just didn't pack the climbing gear away because I was geographically separated from the 'good climbing'