atomicmask:Chechens are not white. The first use of the word Chechen comes from arabic to describe the village of Chechen-al. They are a mixture of russian and arab. They are also muslim.

Ready to apologize ultra libs? Remember how you said these where two white frat boys? Remember how you said I was crazy because I said they had arab features?

Damn it must suck to be so god damn wrong all the time. But fark should be used to that.

Stop. Chechens belong to the Caucasoid type, exhibiting traits typical of European and Caucasian peoples. The majority of Chechens are dark-haired (medium to dark brown or black), but there are Chechens with blonde or even red hair, while eye color ranges from blue to brown and skin tone is typically rather pale and light (though there are some Chechens with olive complexions). ...The Chechens are one of the Vainakh peoples, who have lived in the highands of the North Caucasus region since prehistory

ariseatex:Tommy Moo: No more stories about how these two were "good kids" or how it's "so shocking" that these "peaceful" young men could commit such a strange act. There's no longer any ambiguity. These are two more people poisoned by their religion to commit the exact kind of evil that is consistent with the teachings of their holy text. They grew to hate this country because of our tolerance of homosexuality and female sexuality. They terrorized us as a favor, to scare us onto a path of righteousness that they believed would point us toward salvation. This is your brain on Islam.

For someone raised to hate this country and our tolerance of female sexuality, he sure has his hands pretty far up that girl's torso on the prom pic going around.

It looks like the younger one was a dork who idolized his older brother. The boxer was the one who got radicalized, and recently. The little shiatbird that still unaccounted for probably just wanted to win his brother's approval.

atomicmask:You are leaving out he part where they were taken over by arabs, then mongols, that typically results in the population getting bred with arab or mongol blood. Hence why they look like arabs and have arab features.

By that logic (I use the term loosely) that would make Spanish, Hungarian, Chinese, Serbian, Lithuanian, Ukrainian, Polish and countless other people "Arabs".

Also, still mum about the Newton father being a paid actor and his daughter's death being staged? Or does your selective bullshiat memory not go back that far?

What they should do is publicly announce that the suspect has escaped and that there's nothing more to be done, and call off the search. Then the mayor should go on TV and announce that there will be a Mega Wrestling Contest tonight downtown, and that first prize is an all-expenses-paid trip to Chechnya. Then when this guy shows up to wrestle in it (the contest is actually just a fake) they can have Rick Moranis jump out in front of him in the Dark Helmet costume and say "Fooled you!" Then they can cuff him and stuff him, and take any money that he has in his wallet and put it towards a "Dynasty" reunion show hosted by Joan Collins.

Born July 22, 1993, according to Williams, Tsarnaev attended Cambridge Rindge and Latin School, has a Massachusetts driver's license, and has been in the country for around a decade. CBS reported that he became a naturalized U.S. citizen on Sept. 11, 2012. He is a registered student at UMass Dartmouth, according to the school, where he lived in a dorm. The school was evacuated at 10 a.m.

BojanglesPaladin:serpent_sky: agree with people that I question the legality of the "lockdown" in the city (that word used to exclusively be used in prisons, not schools and now entire neighborhoods and towns) as well as the police entering homes if people did not answer the door or did not consent to a search. I believe they need to catch the suspect in this case, but not at <i>any</i> cost -- especially at the cost of our freedoms -- which is what they seem to be doing.

You seem to be completely missing the VOLONTARY aspect where Bostonians are complying with a REQUEST.

The truth of the matter is that they just can't simple say : "Look people, there's a bunch of angry, scared, tired cops out there with guns. Stay safe, stay inside."

vento:FinFangFark: So is the consensus in the thread that he broke the perimeter a long time ago?

I suggested it in a thread around 7am. They've been chasing shadows, raccoons, random open doors and every idiot in Boston that's stupid enough to walk around wearing hoodies and backpacks on a day when there's a citywide APB for males wearing hoodies and backpacks.

I think he's shaking and crying in a basement somewhere....Brother was the leader...he's a scared 19 year old and doesn't know what to do... He either killed himself or he's in a dark corner crying out for mommy right now... I seriously doubt he got away.

serpent_sky:agree with people that I question the legality of the "lockdown" in the city (that word used to exclusively be used in prisons, not schools and now entire neighborhoods and towns) as well as the police entering homes if people did not answer the door or did not consent to a search. I believe they need to catch the suspect in this case, but not at <i>any</i> cost -- especially at the cost of our freedoms -- which is what they seem to be doing.

You seem to be completely missing the VOLONTARY aspect where Bostonians are complying with a REQUEST.

I tried to challenge the legitimacy of the police state earlier and I was basically shunned for being so callous as to imply the stay in your house rule was unconstitutional, and that during a crisis you should just do what your told.

So it goes.

Laws and rules require Order to survive. Amidst Chaos, all of that goes out the window, be it right or wrong. There is a time and place to challenge things, this would not be one of those times.

I shake my head at the liberal mental gymnastic olympics that constantly surrounds Islam. Their views are abhorrent. Even the "moderate" ones believe in subjugation of women, death for apostasy, and extreme castigation of homosexuals. But because they are a religious and largely ethnic minority in this country, we feel compelled to feel sorry for them. Make no mistake: they only lack the numbers here. "Moderation" in the West is a couching of their ideals in the face of insurmountable democratic sovereignty of liberty. If they had the votes, we'd have honor killings and public stonings here too. But they don't have the votes, so instead we have pressure cooker bombs, because intimidation is the next best thing when you can't have your way through elections.

Tatsuma:netweavr: Hypothetically, if this guy made it to Canadia, could he be extradited? I know they have rules about "no death penalty" but I really don't see them wanting to pick this fight.

For starters, he's not a citizen, so it's irrelevant. Second, Canada refusing to hand him over would create such an international incident and massive shiatstorm there is no way that would happen unless like, possibly the NDP had a majority government and they legalized crack.

I'm sure it was already covered in the thread but I don't have time to search and read: these guys father was interviewed for TV and said that if his other son is killed "all hell will break loose".

Allow me to go all "Typical American" and say: fark you, man. Don't start nothing, won't be nothing. Your sons killed a bunch of people in a terrorist act. You don't get to call the shots and if you want to mess with us and unleash your version of "hell" just ask you other son how it worked out for him. Oh wait, he's dead. You can't ask him anything!

vento:How in the heck do you not have a day or two worth of food in your house?

It's Friday, payday for a lot of people. I've been known to have next to nothing in the house -- certainly not a few days worth of meals - on the day before/day of payday. I'm sure that's not incredibly rare since most people structure their lives around when they get paid, and usually do the shopping on those days.

I always refill my medicine on a Tuesday, for example, because I get paid on Tuesdays and that's when I have the money I need for my prescriptions. I also grocery shop on Tuesdays.

Nina_Hartley's_Ass:muck4doo: I'm gonna get out of here. What i don't understand is how evil people sacrifice our young people for their ideals. Kids who haven't had time to weigh things out in their own minds. We do it today, and we have done it for thousands of years. The elders make the cause for death and murder, then make the young carry it out while keeping themselves out of the battle.

Lanza?

Just convinced that for kids who do these kinds of things there are older adults that trained them to think that way, and then slink away in the background like cowards and let the kids fight for their fantasies.

quizzical:ColKurtz: SultanofSchwing: styckx: JusticeandIndependence: styckx: How can these guys go door to door entering peoples homes at will and you're not allowed to refuse? People are basically locked in their homes.. It's martial law without being martial law

I don't think are just entering people's homes at will.

So far it's just a request to stay in your home. There is no mandate.

CNN said if these guys knock on your door and you're not home they have ways of entering

I was wondering this too. Completely out of my arse, but I'm guessing there's a judge in the command-post or something who is signing off on blanket warrants, or maybe whole batches of them in one warrant, and would be allowed in terrorist-style situations at least.

Exigent circumstances do not require a warrant. A city-wide manhunt qualifies.

Um no. Exigent circumstances are basically something even more than probable cause that allow you to go into a house. Like a gunshot inside. "We know he is somewhere in the city" is not exigent circumstances to go into a house.

vento:Nana's Vibrator: vento: serpent_sky: vento: Why in the heck are people in Boston, and in the area in question, out walking around? And in hoodies and/or with backpacks?

I almost always have a hoodie on, and my normal every day bag is a backpack. A stuffed animal backpack, but still, a backpack. They might just be doing normal things.

And I would hope that today of all days, you would be intelligent enough to stay in the house. And if you do have to go outside, you would dress as opposite of this guy as possible - meaning no hoodie and no backpack. There have been a lot of clueless idiots wasting a lot of resources.

F*ck all of that. I'm inside and I'll be eating grilled cheese on crust tonight. CRUST!sucks worse for some, as marisyana mentioned earlier about people needing meds and other important things.

Crust?!?! Your sacrifices are noted. I agree about the people needind meds. They should call the police non-emergency number for options. Others that don't have food? How in the heck do you not have a day or two worth of food in your house?

If you live on a very tight budget, and only shop on a specific day. Not everyone can afford to stock up on the off-chance of terror-crazy-mayhem breaking out.

Bullseyed:Rwa2play: Truther: I'll say it again, hope no one else is killed - including the alleged bomber...

This; If he's alive, the authorities will find out what the hell's in his head that made him and his brother do this.

They already know. It's ISLAM. They were crazy murderous Muslims. Just like 95% of all terrorists.

And yet, the worst act of terrorism on American soil before 9/11 was committed by white, middle class, native son Americans, who decided planting a bomb that would concentrate the blast at a daycare was a good idea. Crazy, yes. Muslim no. In fact, it seems to me that the last few mass killings in the US were not committed by Muslims - and that a mosque was actually a target of an attack - committed by - you guessed it - a white American. IIRC, the DC sniper who terrorized that city was also an American, non-Muslim.

Considering the sheer population count of Muslims vs everyone else, there is no way you can say that 95% of terroristic acts have muslims to blame. Fanatics come in all colours and creeds. Well, except Navaho - they seem pretty chill.

antiFodder:Regarding the "autopsy" photo... does anyone know what the toothpicks stuck in his chest are for?

Those are 14 ga angio caths placed into his chest to treat what is called a tension pneumothorax. It lets the air that has built up in the chest around the lung and making it collapse escape, letting the lung re-expand.

So a resuscitation attempt was made in the field at the very least.

Not sure what the large wound on his side is all about, but it may be the result of being run over vs. a hastily made surgical wound. The shoulder and face appear to be burns vs abrasions (road rash). I can count one GSW in the left arm and one in his lateral left abdomen, but they both line up so probably same projectile

No more stories about how these two were "good kids" or how it's "so shocking" that these "peaceful" young men could commit such a strange act. There's no longer any ambiguity. These are two more people poisoned by their religion to commit the exact kind of evil that is consistent with the teachings of their holy text. They grew to hate this country because of our tolerance of homosexuality and female sexuality. They terrorized us as a favor, to scare us onto a path of righteousness that they believed would point us toward salvation. This is your brain on Islam.

Abzzstain:So the police get a free pass to barge in without a search warrant and toss every farking house in Boston if they want. If you're not home they'll let themselves in.

I realize they've got to find the guy, but this seems like overkill and not exactly constitutional. I suspect police all over the country will be using this convenient tactic now whenever there's a fugitive.

If they are searching house to house, they knock on the door and ask to search. The people are allowing it. The cop casually walks through your house just to see if there is someone there. Had that happen a couple times. They spend all of like 2 minutes in your house. Not unconstitutional and they don't care about jack shiat except the person they are looking for. The first time it happened I was at my neighbors and his roommate was smoking a bowel when they went through. Not a word about it.

To people screaming about the police state. The reason why everyone's cooperating isn't because we like totalitarianism, it's because we want this bastard caught and are happy to sit inside for a day to help make that happen. It's Boston, we're all stocked up on booze.

styckx:I'm not a tinfoil hat guy, but simply wondering and maybe someone can answer in facts.

How can these guys go door to door entering peoples homes at will and you're not allowed to refuse? People are basically locked in their homes.. It's martial law without being martial law

Most people feel a sense of social responsibility and community when madmen are bombing random civilians in their town, and voluntarily let the police into their house in an effort to aid the attempt to apprehend said madmen.

Abzzstain:So the police get a free pass to barge in without a search warrant and toss every farking house in Boston if they want. If you're not home they'll let themselves in.

I realize they've got to find the guy, but this seems like overkill and not exactly constitutional. I suspect police all over the country will be using this convenient tactic now whenever there's a fugitive.

But but but anything to keep the homeland safe is OK. They are just doing this for your own protection citizen, there is no chance the police would ever abuse a power like this.

So the police get a free pass to barge in without a search warrant and toss every farking house in Boston if they want. If you're not home they'll let themselves in.

I realize they've got to find the guy, but this seems like overkill and not exactly constitutional. I suspect police all over the country will be using this convenient tactic now whenever there's a fugitive.

Mikey1969:Treygreen13: YoungSwedishBlonde: So someone needs to explain this to me.

With the entirety of the USA looking for you having bombed the Boston Marathon, why would you go knock off a 7/11?

Trying to obtain money with which to travel outside the area you're being looked for in?

They had the rest of the attack planned, but they didn't have $30 for a Greyhound ticket? I agree, this is stupid, as taught at the PhD level...

A guy who shot his fellow armoured car guards in Edmonton was caught trying to cross into the US in the truck they had put out an APB on. He didn't even have a passport. Never underestimate the stupidity of criminals.

Bullseyed:ourbigdumbmouth: In before the white person deniers show up.

They're one country north of Arabia, so suddenly they're white.

Actually, Chechnya is north of Iran, which is not Arabic. Between Chechnya and Iran are Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan - none of which are Arabic. Oh, and they're also NE of Turkey, which is also not Arabic.

been sitting here at work watching the feed from CNN with the cops all mulling around on the street. Wish Anderson would just wander over there and tell that one blond cop that he's been itching his nuts on national TV for like the last 5 minutes.

styckx:In the grand scheme of things.. Is this the biggest manhunt we've had on U.S. soil in terms of the sheer amount of manpower, agencies, and vehicles involved? I can't recall anything this massive before..

As a resident of SoCal, I just want to commend the police involved in this situation for handling it so well and NOT taking out any innocent civilians. When this is over, they should come this way and help train some of our law enforcement.

atomicmask:miss diminutive: atomicmask: You are leaving out he part where they were taken over by arabs, then mongols, that typically results in the population getting bred with arab or mongol blood. Hence why they look like arabs and have arab features.

By that logic (I use the term loosely) that would make Spanish, Hungarian, Chinese, Serbian, Lithuanian, Ukrainian, Polish and countless other people "Arabs".

Also, still mum about the Newton father being a paid actor and his daughter's death being staged? Or does your selective bullshiat memory not go back that far?

Yes, it does. When the people of those countries and cultures desplay arabic features, such as longer noses light tan skin and black curly hair.

and yes I still think the newton shiat was staged, deal with it.

Yup, the fact that you think a mass murder of children and teachers was entirely staged pretty much lets us know how much value to place in your reasoning. I'm not even going to touch your "arabic features" comment, especially since Mongoloid features are generally associated with straight hair and flatter noses. But you keep herping that derp.

WATERTOWN, MA-Sources are now confirming that no news is currently breaking in the manhunt for Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokar A. Tsarnaev. Multiple witnesses and law enforcement officials on the ground in Watertown, MA have informed reporters that there are not any urgent updates or late-breaking developments to the ongoing situation, and the situation remains largely unchanged. Media outlets are reporting that everything is exactly the same as it was since the last update. Readers are advised to keep checking theonion.com for any breaking updates that may occur.

WATERTOWN, MA-Sources can now confirm that there is still nothing new to report on the search for Boston Marathon bombing suspect Dzhokar A. Tsarnaev. Those with knowledge of the situation are currently telling reporters that nothing has changed and there are no new developments. Reports have confirmed, however, that instead of saying one brother has died and the other is on the run, sources will instead switch that information around to make it sound different than previous reports, thus making it seem like new information is being added. Sources are now saying that one brother is on the run and the other has been shot and killed.

WATERTOWN, MA-Citing exhaustive use of the word "breaking" to preface media coverage of today's ongoing manhunt for one of the alleged Boston Marathon bombers,The Onion is now questioning whether the word "breaking" has lost all its meaning. According to sources, the word 'breaking' has been used over 4,000 times across a variety of media platforms in the past 24 hours and has been repeatedly used to categorize news items related to the Boston Marathon bomber suspect that are not, in fact, substantively different from earlier reports, and thus not truly "breaking" by any traditional definition of that term. Acknowledging that 700 separate "breaking" news bulletins have been published since the beginning of this breaking news article,The Onion continues to wonder whether this word can ever be taken seriously again.

WATERTOWN, MA-According to the latest news breaking from the scene of the ongoing Boston bomber manhunt, sources asked if anyone can ever truly know anything and, when one actually stops and thinks about it, what is the truth, really? While authorities have continued updating the public on the progress of the manhunt and eyewitnesses have corroborated the stories, reporters have to wonder: How do any of us ever really discern what has "happened" from what has "not happened," if indeed such terms are mutually exclusive, in the context of spacetime, or even truly knowable? Furthermore, one could potentially view everything we see and hear-or rather, everything weperceive-as being little more than a string of continuing falsities, one after another, throughout the entirety of our existence. Who can we trust? Is our only option to continue believing everything we experience, in a phenomenological sense, and ignore the true possibility that all that truly is, has been, and will be, is an illusion, a shadow cast upon the wall of eternity? Keep checking theonion.com for more updates on this story, which may in fact only be an elaborate construct of our own collective consciousness.

He's an adult. He's a big boy, doing grown up things, and if he's captured alive, he'll pay for them like a grown up would. There's nothing "kid-like" about anything this piece of shiat has done all week.

I agree,

But I suspect if we ever find out why they did it, we're going to find out that the younger brother idolized the older brother and was easily duped into being an accomplice. None of this mitigates the the younger brother responsibility, of course. He's needs to bear the full force of the law if he's captured alive.

OK, you cops. You have until 6:15 to find this guy, then I'm going to turn off the PC, and radio, and put CHOM on the radio and rack 'em up, crack a cold one and forget about all this.I'm going to take a break then, and not post for a few long hours. I don't care.Wrap it up.Poop or get off the pot.Cause I'm going to tune it out and not come back to it unless they interrupt CHOM's friday evening musical lineup with BrEaKiNg NeWs.

Coastalgrl:I can understand people fearing tyranny and martial law. I would be pretty freaked out if I was there too. But instead of viewing the entire city shut down and how easy it is to shut a city down. I see it as a team effort by the entire city of Boston to aid the efforts of the responders trying to apprehend this person. Stay off the streets, out of the way. Keeps the public out of harms way and makes the job of the responders easier.

And if crowds inadvertently assisted his getaway, or if he killed a lot more people, they'd be screaming "Why didn't the governor and police tell everyone to stay home?"

It's not martial law. You're not going to be brought before a military tribunal for going outside.

I'll bet sixty-eight dollars that the guy is holed up on the second story of the Ocean Beach parking garage. Even with a six-star wanted level, the police never follow you up there. They just drive their cars into the wall and keep trying to drive forward.

xnewnoisex:Man this is just riveting. I can't listen to the scanner on this work computer (soundcard blown). But I will be following the thread. shiat all I do is run a comic book store. I got times on my hands

Yeah, especially the video link of the guys' aunt doing her standup routine?

CNN has played both the uncle and aunt. I just turn off the sound when anybody else is on.

I'm catching the Uncle's interview, the guy sure doesn't seem to tolerate moron reporters very well... As for CNN, still looking for that video, their website is an overloaded mess of bullshiat, but I got to see the nifty hologram technology for the first time ona video about the fertilizer plant explosion, so there's that...

SIDENOTE: Interesting how blogs and social media are about 30-45 minutes ahead of major media.

The double edged sword being that over half of blogs/twitter/fb/whatever stuff is completely inaccurate. Still a totally new paradigm on the way the news was 20 years ago, but the signal to noise ratio is pretty bad.

People are addicted to this because it's so very like being inside a newsroom while a story is breaking, before facts are checked, sources are corroborated, and narratives are straightened out. You get to see the sausage being made, the constant speculation, misinformation, and subsequent corrections all being part of the entertainment.