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75-76 look like Tebow numbers, 79 was a great game, 80 he threw more picks than TDs.

He also has 8 playoff games with more picks than TDs, 6 games completing under half his passes, and 9 games with 1 or no TD passes, and 3 games with under 100 yards passing. Thats not elite. The defense held the other team to 14 points or less in 11 of their wins. 30 TDs, 26 INTs, and a 57% completion rate in the playoffs isnt clutch IMO.

the nfl wasnt a passing league back then. qb's werent protected as much as they were back then. wr's used to get mauled on the line etc etc. i still stand by my terry b pick._________________

THAT'S NOT 2:1!!!!! NCOUGH has said many, many, many, many, many times (when talking about Palmer mind you) that he needs to see a QB have a 2:1 TD:INT ratio before saying they're any good.

Uh ohhhhhhhh

Haha

I know I'll get hate for this, but QBs like Bradshaw and Aikman never did enough IMO to be a top QB. I know stats arent everything, but Aikman only threw over 19 TDs once. For all the QB W/L record people, he only posted 5 double-digit win seasons in 12 years. In those 4 seasons, Dallas defense ranked 5th, 2nd, 3rd, 3rd, 3rd, and 3rd. Not to mention he had a guy named Emmitt Smith. Top-5 defense, top-3 RB, and a QB with a 8:7 TD:INT ratio... wonder why they were successfull.

imo troy, terry even farve fall under the eli section of qb's that dont look pretty doing it but find a way to get it done. eli's #'s are similar to cp's but imo you would be hard pressed to find anyone that would say cp>eli._________________

So because of screen passes and Pierre garcon and Santa moss rg3 look this good? Really? That's the argument? Over 3000 yards passing 20 tds/ 5 ints and that's the argument? Why'd they even need him then? Couldn't grossman do the same thing with kyle and the offense around the qb...and I'm clueless..you guys say the stupidest things...I am embarrassed for you.

Do you know what the pistol offense is darkness? It allows the qb to line up in a more shallow shotgun about 4 yards close enough to let the qb read the d and far enough to create more time, still he has to throw the ball, make reads, and avoid mistakes...his numbers aren't inflated because of the offense, he is just a good qb who will get better and better.

Do you know what the pistol offense is darkness? It allows the qb to line up in a more shallow shotgun about 4 yards close enough to let the qb read the d and far enough to create more time, still he has to throw the ball, make reads, and avoid mistakes...his numbers aren't inflated because of the offense, he is just a good qb who will get better and better.

I'm not trying to take part in your guys' little pissing contests. Just pointing out the obvious that both offenses aren't the same like you said. Whatever that means to your argument is whatever._________________

No Brady? Ouch. He's most certainly better than Kelly and Warner and Moon

I don't really like Brady. I had this long post about wh
y but I'd rather not fight all the Brady lovers.

These lists aren't about who you like. They're about the top 10 must talented QBs in NFL history. Brady is definitely on that list and I'd be very interested to hear any reason why he shouldn't be._________________

In a "clutch" situation, it's got to be Montana for me.
Purely from a stats point of view, today Marino with the receivers he had and the protection afforded QB's and receivers, would shatter any record out there!_________________

No Brady? Ouch. He's most certainly better than Kelly and Warner and Moon

I don't really like Brady. I had this long post about wh
y but I'd rather not fight all the Brady lovers.

These lists aren't about who you like. They're about the top 10 must talented QBs in NFL history. Brady is definitely on that list and I'd be very interested to hear any reason why he shouldn't be.

Matt Cassel:
Tom Brady goes down with a torn ACL to the Chiefs, and in comes his backup who hasn't played since high school. The Patriots go 10-6 and barely miss playoffs. I suppose you could argue that brady accounted for one of those wins but either way Cassel hasn't had the same impact on another team. He even curb stomped the raiders, he has done that since I'm glad to say.

Adam Veinitari:
Tom Brady has gone to 5 super bowls second most of QB's only to John Elway, but he has won only 3 of them and in those three it was Adam Veniteri who kicked the game winner. The last two against the Giants he has had to drive down and score a TD. A tall order to be sure, but as I hear so much he could do it, he has not, but a few of those guys on that list have.

Now in all honesty I believe the Patriots are a good TEAM. Bill Belichik has built a great team that can contend every year. Honestly if Brady where to be injured tomorrow, not saying I'd want that, I beleive the Patriots could still win a game or two.

No Brady? Ouch. He's most certainly better than Kelly and Warner and Moon

I don't really like Brady. I had this long post about wh
y but I'd rather not fight all the Brady lovers.

These lists aren't about who you like. They're about the top 10 must talented QBs in NFL history. Brady is definitely on that list and I'd be very interested to hear any reason why he shouldn't be.

Matt Cassel:
Tom Brady goes down with a torn ACL to the Chiefs, and in comes his backup who hasn't played since high school. The Patriots go 10-6 and barely miss playoffs. I suppose you could argue that brady accounted for one of those wins but either way Cassel hasn't had the same impact on another team. He even curb stomped the raiders, he has done that since I'm glad to say.

Adam Veinitari:
Tom Brady has gone to 5 super bowls second most of QB's only to John Elway, but he has won only 3 of them and in those three it was Adam Veniteri who kicked the game winner. The last two against the Giants he has had to drive down and score a TD. A tall order to be sure, but as I hear so much he could do it, he has not, but a few of those guys on that list have.

Now in all honesty I believe the Patriots are a good TEAM. Bill Belichik has built a great team that can contend every year. Honestly if Brady where to be injured tomorrow, not saying I'd want that, I beleive the Patriots could still win a game or two.

Matt Cassel:
Tom Brady goes down with a torn ACL to the Chiefs, and in comes his backup who hasn't played since high school. The Patriots go 10-6 and barely miss playoffs. I suppose you could argue that brady accounted for one of those wins but either way Cassel hasn't had the same impact on another team. He even curb stomped the raiders, he has done that since I'm glad to say.

Adam Veinitari:
Tom Brady has gone to 5 super bowls second most of QB's only to John Elway, but he has won only 3 of them and in those three it was Adam Veniteri who kicked the game winner. The last two against the Giants he has had to drive down and score a TD. A tall order to be sure, but as I hear so much he could do it, he has not, but a few of those guys on that list have.

Now in all honesty I believe the Patriots are a good TEAM. Bill Belichik has built a great team that can contend every year. Honestly if Brady where to be injured tomorrow, not saying I'd want that, I beleive the Patriots could still win a game or two.

OK so you feel he's more a product of the system? I can dig that to an extent but to discredit all he's done and accomplished w/ basically no one at the WR position is a little unfair._________________