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Post-[Phalla]ism: Phalla After Death - Game Over - Mages/Angels Victorious

I should have voiced suspicions of savant's arguments, there was something weird about them that I couldn't quite place, but I brushed it off because of the great job he did in the DnD game, and from not really knowing his posting style from not doing many games with him.

I'm glad that Virgil's hit and run wagons were a mafia tactic though. I would have felt bad if I was as doggedly after him for being so stubborn about not giving good reasons for them if he was just a villager who was going on his gut

I should have voiced suspicions of savant's arguments, there was something weird about them that I couldn't quite place, but I brushed it off because of the great job he did in the DnD game, and from not really knowing his posting style from not doing many games with him.

I'm glad that Virgil's hit and run wagons were a mafia tactic though. I would have felt bad if I was as doggedly after him for being so stubborn about not giving good reasons for them if he was just a villager who was going on his gut

I had you killed because you were one of the few whose mafiadar wasn't completely busted, and no one seemed to notice until you ghost voted.

I made some little mistakes here and there, part of it being constrained by trying not to blow a hole out of the growing percentage of the population that was mafia. Most of it was I was trying to make arguments that I thought would make sense from the standpoint of a villager without actually implicating any of my compatriots on the high chance that I didn't make it to the end of the game.

I thought that I was going to die a whole lot earlier from a vengeance kill, then I figured once I had gotten far enough that you guys had lost interest in me when finally I got killed.

Getting 5/10 evil suspects on my SUSPICIOUS LIST (not counting Ahava and INANTP, since I actually already knew they were innocent)? Not bad for not playing in a while. Jdark was originally much higher on my list, but when I got networked, the guys thought he was on the level, so I went along with it. I also had suspicions about Lucedes, but didn't have a chance to investigate them further. Same with Virgil.

you know baidol if you would have just admitted to being mafia to me sooner, hell I had you seered and told you I knew for a fact you were we woulda won sooner, I had a vig on my side willing to kill for you and me and the other angel had a ton of info

the faster we ended the game was for me and tmoiys benefit along with wildwoods but you blew that chance you bum

I expected people to be able to form a semi-network of dead players as the game dragged to an end, chains of intimacy-linked dead players being contacted by corvidae. This was why I included romanqwerty to disrupt what I imagined was a powerful end-game tool. This was a bit foolish: there were only a few intimacy villagers and they mostly just connected with the network head, preventing abilities like curiosity seers from reaching the living and vengeance kills being directed to players spirit marked by roles marked by haunting villagers, in addition to corvidae not being able to figure out that it would be a good idea to contact vanillagers. If ran this again I'd probably give two players corvidae's role and give intimacy players two uses of their abilities or otherwise increase the ability of contacting dead players.

way to throw me under the bus.

honestly, spent 3 days just trying to get in touch with the network, and at that point we were significantly boned.

after that, was just trying to gather and confirm intel.

the intimacy chains were starting to form, unfortunately romamqwerty had subverted them. Honestly, can't feel i am to blame for all this, after day 5, my abilities were being "decided" by the network for maximum efficiency of use.

i couldn't just contact someone for the fun of it, i had to get the most bang for my buck. getting networked was a priority early, and after that, we were already facing an uphill battle. early on, i contacted specials mostly cause i felt they were most likely to be networked.

Now that I've got all the roles out, I'm curious how you all would improve the game.

Despite mentioning in my boards that the village specials were somewhat weak to merit a roleblock, I think I would keep the mafia the same and buff the dead abilities of the village. Remove the revenge and self-actualization death roles and replace them with another spirit walker and spirit ability seer (I'd have to make the mafia's magic bond not seerable, unfortunately), then replace the three village possession roles with an intimacy, curiosity, and vengeance role (replace the mafia possession with another curiosity) while changing intimacy to allow you to link yourself with one living and one dead player per role. Rename romanqwerty's spirit ability as a result. Tweak the numbers of self-aware villagers to have one villager of each spirit ability type be self-aware, two for curiosity.

The end result is that communication with dead players is much more feasible but still not perfect: some curiosity results would be forwarded to whatever member of the living network remained alive, some haunts and vengeances would be coordinated. The mafia is still more powerful than a normal mafia with a nasty surprise for the dead network with the death thrall.

Thoughts? Would this make the village too powerful? It's very hard to judge balance with roles that only work after death, honestly.

i spent all day going back and forth with the network trying to determine who to contact to maximise my ability. considering i had to wait for someone to die to contact them and whatnot. that basically means a 2-day turnaround to get in touch with them.

i'm not really sure how long the average phalla lasts, but considering we had 4-6 dead ppl a night, it was really hard to use my ability in those conditions.

You did fine, Corvidae. The village was pretty screwed by the time the network actually formed. JasonTodd was inactive on the worst day,when Ahava and I were trying to make contact. That delayed us getting the seer and the guard together, and got the guard killed too. Not Jason's fault, real life emergencies are more important of course. Just bad timing.

And by then, we and the 2 neutral kills had (apparently) only killed villagers for so long that there wasn't much we could do.

I have to say, I don't like thralls or death thralls at all. This version of the death thrall in particular, where he can then significantly affect the game after dying. And overall, I think I like the idea of "non-hidden mechanics" games better than hidden mechanics ones. But I'll have to try an exposed mechanics game to see for sure.

It seems to me that the biggest advantage the mafia had is that they pretty much knew how the entire game and all the abilities and mechanics worked, aside from the neutrals.

It seems to me that the biggest advantage the mafia had is that they pretty much knew how the entire game and all the abilities and mechanics worked, aside from the neutrals.

That is usually the norm. Its very rare for the mafia to not know significantly more about the mechanics than the village.

With regards to this game however, I think there were simply too many mafia. 20% is fine when mechanics are mostly standard but in a game like this where the mafia has a big edge based on starting information, one or two less mafia could have been more reasonable.

Corvid you did fine, i can't imagine what else you could have done.

Ultimately I think what cost the village the game was getting lucky with a lot of specials dying early and Jtodd's inability to stay alive and consolidate a strong network after calling his kill(s).

Just finished reading the mafia boards. Savant and Locus seemed scary competent. Virgil, I'm curious what post restriction you were going to throw on me.

oh I just came up with this simple ol' thing.
Tmoiy's posts must include a 3 sentence profession of love, for the person who posted before him, in bold purple letters.
I figured the host would edit out the 3 sentence requirement.

It also felt like spirit marks only mattered for blocking the village from getting things done. The mafia and the neutrals could both place spirit marks wherever they felt like it and then use spirit mark-only abilities right afterwards. The village had separate people who could create the marks from those who could use the marks, making it impossible to coordinate any ability usage.

That is, the mafia and the neutrals had separate people doing those tasks as well, but they were automatically networked for the entire game regardless of if they were dead or alive.

I should have voiced suspicions of savant's arguments, there was something weird about them that I couldn't quite place, but I brushed it off because of the great job he did in the DnD game, and from not really knowing his posting style from not doing many games with him.

I can tell you that it was this post of his that made me put in the kill order on him:

Well shit, it looks like that bandwagon wasn't mafia dictated, but it was on a villager and we are now out some key specials. I'm hoping that there are still some tricks up people's sleeve that haven't been used yet, or we are rather screwed.

I'm going to trust our dead seer and vote baidol, no reason to give up until the game is over.

Just finished reading the mafia boards. Savant and Locus seemed scary competent. Virgil, I'm curious what post restriction you were going to throw on me.

oh I just came up with this simple ol' thing.
Tmoiy's posts must include a 3 sentence profession of love, for the person who posted before him, in bold purple letters.
I figured the host would edit out the 3 sentence requirement.

Aw, that would have been fun.

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lonelyahavaOne day, I will be able to say to myself"I am beautiful and I am perfect just the way I am"Registered Userregular

Okay, I'm home. Dunno what to say. I had fun. I'm a little frustrated because I was actually at a get away on Friday and I had to keep checking the forums because I Was in contact with various different people, one of who turned out to be a death thrall (thanks, RQ).

But that's okay. I don't really mind that too much. I'm far less impressed with my total inability to read people. I'm not sure how I would have ever sussed out that RQ was mafia and full of shit but whatever.