Unsurprisingly, newscorp gives Wiggo a 10 out of 10 for believability.

Excuse me while I go wash cos you mongrels made me visit newscorp.

So we get the leaders we deserve and we elect, we get the companies and the products that we ask for, right? And we have to ask for different things. – Paul Gildingbut really, that's rubbish. We get none of it because the choices are illusory.

Vaughters is confident the sport is now clean. But when you see the light handed treatment Contador received from hisSpanish federation, it's easy to imagine that not everyone might be tested with the same rigour, and possibly not be as cleanas others.

I'll be more convinced when you can't drug-up, take a short (2 year) suspension, then come back to win an Olympic Gold.

Victor Conte, the master-chemist behind the BALCO drug lab, claimed that 60% of athletes at the LondonGames were doping and took aim particularly at the out-of-competition testing. He has long argued that the only way to get a level playing field is to allow open-slather for the drug labs. Conte has clearly got a wheelbarrow that he's pushing here. London has made an advance with retrospective testing, but maybe something more needs to be done in some countries with OOC.

Cheers

WombatK

Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us -Jerry Garcia

wombatK wrote:I'll be more convinced when you can't drug-up, take a short (2 year) suspension, then come back to win an Olympic Gold.

I assume you are referring to Vino? When did Vino "drug-up"? I thought his suspension was for blood doping. Understand the sentiment but don't tar him with the Drug Cheat Brush when he has never tested positive for a banned substance.

wombatK wrote:I'll be more convinced when you can't drug-up, take a short (2 year) suspension, then come back to win an Olympic Gold.

Speedster wrote:I assume you are referring to Vino? When did Vino "drug-up"? I thought his suspension was for blood doping. Understand the sentiment but don't tar him with the Drug Cheat Brush when he has never tested positive for a banned substance.

You are right Speedster there is such a huge moral difference between cheating by blood doping and cheating by drug taking.

wombatK wrote:I'll be more convinced when you can't drug-up, take a short (2 year) suspension, then come back to win an Olympic Gold.

I assume you are referring to Vino? When did Vino "drug-up"? I thought his suspension was for blood doping. Understand the sentiment but don't tar him with the Drug Cheat Brush when he has never tested positive for a banned substance.

You do wonder about how serious the UCI is about anti-doping when they are trying to silence both Greg LeMonde and Floyd Landis. They do seem to want to basically shut down the debate rather than clean up the sport.

DavidS wrote:You do wonder about how serious the UCI is about anti-doping when they are trying to silence both Greg LeMonde and Floyd Landis. They do seem to want to basically shut down the debate rather than clean up the sport.

White's just stood down, but you've got to think it's just to give time to consult sponsors over whether they could tolerate him remaining in charge. His baggage might not sit well with a team promoting itself as something new and different.

Remember how L'Equipe leaked the UCI's 0 to 10 list of probability of doping use prior to the 2010 Tour de France? Here are the people mentioned in this week's news:0 (no suspicion): Michael Barry, David Zabriskie.1: George Hincapie4 (not even half way to 10): Lance Armstrong, Levi Leipheimer, Christian Vande VeldeHmmm.

"It would have been published on the (International Cycling Union's) UCI website that he was found to be in violation of the code and that's how it's dealt with," Mr Turtur said.

"Race organisers don't go around publicising or advertising or making a point of any doping infringements because it's not their job or their responsibility.

"The organisers manage the race, the UCI manage the sport.

"That's the normal and accepted procedure since day one. The Tour de France might work a bit differently because of what it is and the world-wide media, they will actually go out and state that this has happened.

"It's not that they're breaking the news it's already been identified by the doping agency."

gdt wrote:Remember how L'Equipe leaked the UCI's 0 to 10 list of probability of doping use prior to the 2010 Tour de France? Here are the people mentioned in this week's news:0 (no suspicion): Michael Barry, David Zabriskie.1: George Hincapie4 (not even half way to 10): Lance Armstrong, Levi Leipheimer, Christian Vande VeldeHmmm.

Yep, probability of the UCI being competent and trustworthy enough to run a clean sport, GDT? Also 0.

We can add the US Government to this, which to the amazement of its investigators quietly and suddenly shut down its case this year while sports journos were concentrating on the Superbowl.

Luckily USADA was able to reuse evidence that the Feds had collected but then decided not to act on!

gdt wrote:Remember how L'Equipe leaked the UCI's 0 to 10 list of probability of doping use prior to the 2010 Tour de France? Here are the people mentioned in this week's news:0 (no suspicion): Michael Barry, David Zabriskie.1: George Hincapie4 (not even half way to 10): Lance Armstrong, Levi Leipheimer, Christian Vande VeldeHmmm.

That's a bit harsh - the UCI list was "based on riders's biological passports and blood tests ahead of the Tour, according to L'Equipe." ie it related solely to the 2010 tour, not whether they had ever doped. Barry, Zabriske, Leipheimer & Vande Velde all say they have raced clean since 2006 or thereabouts and none of those riders have been sanctioned for doping in 2010.

In relation to Armstong, the finding of the USADA for 2009 & 2010 was based on autologous transfusion (ie his own blood) - the findings in this regard are the first time that such a test has been accepted.

This new test has very interesting implications - for example one of the explanations for Bertie's positive test was that he had previously used clembuterol & he then had an transfusion which still contained traces - the evidence was said to be of plasticisers. If they applied the analysis for Armstrong to Bertie (and others) now, how many would be found to be blood doping ?

Who is online

About the Australian Cycling Forums

The largest cycling discussion forum in Australia for all things bike; from new riders to seasoned bike nuts, the Australian Cycling Forums are a welcoming community where you can ask questions and talk about the type of bikes and cycling topics you like.