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[QUOTE Anti-birth control stance. What woman in their right mind is going to give up the right to birth control or abortions? There aren't too many out there that want to turn back the clock and reverse Roe V. Wade.][/QUOTE]
This alone could have persuaded enough woman to vote differently. I find it strange that a a concept to be shadowed under governmental rule could be considered a conservative concept. A true conservative would keep government out of such decisions. Separation of church and state comes to mind.

Pete

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Psalms 12: 8
The wicked walk on every side when the vilest men are exulted

[QUOTE Anti-birth control stance. What woman in their right mind is going to give up the right to birth control or abortions? There aren't too many out there that want to turn back the clock and reverse Roe V. Wade.]

This alone could have persuaded enough woman to vote differently. I find it strange that a a concept to be shadowed under governmental rule could be considered a conservative concept. A true conservative would keep government out of such decisions. Separation of church and state comes to mind.

Pete[/QUOTE]

I have never understood this either. Must be a religious thing. I am a Christian, but a sensible one.

this actually happened to me about half an hour ago...a young ethnic man approached me after I had just got done putting gas in my car..he was dressed ok, new Nike shoes, hoody, new UNLV hat and listening to an iPhone. guess he just saw me put my money clip in my pocket

punk asks " hey can I have a dollar to get me some smokes"

Me : " go ask Obama for the money, I am broke"

punk: "hey man I know you got it, I just saw you put it away"

Me: "you bet your azzz and thats where its gonna stay"....by then I had already sat in my vehicle and had my hand on my Gerber hunting knife which I sometimes carry next to the console...

said punk starts to take a couple of steps toward me , at which time I show him what was in my hand. He stops dead in his tracks and says with a dead serious face

" man, I was just askin for a dolla, no need to go pullin no blade on a brother, I see you got plenty"

I wonder what he would have said if I had the Sig .40 with me.....

Guess Rush was right today when he said " you can't beat Santa Claus"

You just made my new sig line. I'll give equal credit to you and Rush.

and Montreal is an American city. oldest brewry in North America right there. About an hour and 15 min drive from were I sit if I hit the border right. They made it out of stone! Great tour I recomend. it is just not a United States, city.

"So what is big is not always the Trout nor the Deer but the chance, the being there. And what is full is not necessarily the creel nor the freezer, but the memory." ~ Aldo Leopold

"The Greatest Obstacle to Discovery is not Ignorance -- It is the Illusion of Knowledge" ~ Daniel Boorstin

This alone could have persuaded enough woman to vote differently. I find it strange that a a concept to be shadowed under governmental rule could be considered a conservative concept. A true conservative would keep government out of such decisions. Separation of church and state comes to mind.

Pete

I have never understood this either. Must be a religious thing. I am a Christian, but a sensible one.[/QUOTE]

How much of one is for you to determine..

Seperation of church and state only means the state doesn't tell the church what to do. The "state" was founded on Christian principles and is to follow the will of the people. This is our whole problem, everyone has determined the opposite.

- Anti-birth control stance. What woman in their right mind is going to give up the right to birth control or abortions? There aren't too many out there that want to turn back the clock and reverse Roe V. Wade.

Originally Posted by Pete

This alone could have persuaded enough woman to vote differently. I find it strange that a a concept to be shadowed under governmental rule could be considered a conservative concept. A true conservative would keep government out of such decisions. Separation of church and state comes to mind.

Pete

Originally Posted by LokiMeister

I have never understood this either. Must be a religious thing. I am a Christian, but a sensible one.

This pretty much sums up the premise of your title. Republicans lost because they let the dims define them. The idea that even a republican like yourself thinks that this was Romneys stance on birth control is kind of sad. Just because the Catholics didn't want to pay for birth control didn't mean anyone in the Romney camp wanted to take it away.

"The thing I admire about the rat tail is that it takes commitment. It's not like one day you just decide you want one, you have to grow out that bad boy and you have to repeatedly convince the hairdresser to trust you because it's a great idea."

This pretty much sums up the premise of your title. Republicans lost because they let the dims define them. The idea that even a republican like yourself thinks that this was Romneys stance on birth control is kind of sad. Just because the Catholics didn't want to pay for birth control didn't mean anyone in the Romney camp wanted to take it away.

That's correct... the ill informed public believes the sound bites on the nightly news... (or the comedy channel)