Well, folks, here we go with Part Two of J.D. Cash's story on the Mutt
& Jeff of the ATF, Strassmeir and Brescia. But first, a few words from
the peanut gallery....

Kirk Lyons has finally made direct contact with us, and an amusing interchange
is opened. Some of our back-and-forth will be presented in the next edition
of John Doe #2 Identified.

Also, I have been taken to task for capitalizing the commentary in the
news stories previously posted. This is, as I knew prior to the series,
the equivalent of shouting on the net. I was convinced to capitalize the
commentary early on by a fellow who felt my commentary was not sufficiently
separated from the text and thus misled the reader. Thus, to draw attention
to the break in the story, I have now begun using an asterisk line, ****************************,
and capitalizing only

"TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE". I will still use all caps on sentences
that I feel require emphasis to point out important items. Apologies to
all those gentle souls who cannot hear for all the shouting going on.

And now, without further ado, Part Thirteen-----

JOHN DOE #2 IDENTIFIED; BUT CAN WE GET THE FBI TO ARREST HIM?

PART THIRTEEN

McCurtain Daily Gazette

Idabel, Oklahoma

Tuesday, July 16, 1996

Agents Probe OKC Bombing Links To Bank Robberies

By J.D. Cash

Second of Two Parts

Elohim City is no stranger to problems with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco
and Firearms or intrusive surveillance techniques. Today, folks who make
their home on the 400-acre Christian Identity compound near Muldrow get
a little edgy when you bring up the names of Andy Strassmeir or some of
his purported associates.

It seems that Andy brought a lot of bad luck down on the white separatist
colony. Last August, when investigators for the Timothy McVeigh defense
team began showing up here, several residents suddenly took off. "(Mike)
Brescia, the Ward brothers and Strassmeir all sort of moved about that
time," recounts the spiritual leader of the community. The Rev. Millar
continued, "Andy was sent to us by Kirk Lyons, and I still believe
Kirk is a fine patriot, but we're not so sure about Andy anymore."

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(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: But if "we're not so sure about Andy anymore,"
then how can anyone be sure Kirk is "a fine patriot" given Kirk's
more-than-lawyerly relationship with "Andy?" Since he has been
in the U.S. Strassmeir has had an umbilical cord relationship with Lyons.
Wherever Andy stayed, Kirk arranged it: The apartment in Knoxville, the
place on McCue in Houston, Elohim City, even Kirk's own place in North
Carolina, not to mention a couple of others. We'll leave the monetary arrangements
for a more formal court, but anyone who has followed Kirk's statements
about his little pet German client over the course of the last nine months
has discerned a more-than-"everyone deserves a defense attorney"-attitude.)

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The story continues....

Today's chief of security at Elohim City recalls some ideas Andy had.
"As soon as Andy arrived here," remembers Zara Patterson,"He
told me he wanted to take over the security job. I didn't care... It was
one less headache for me."

Later, Strassmeir's demands became more questionable. "Strassmeir
went out and replaced all our deer rifles with assault weapons," said
Patterson. "Next, he wanted us to start doing illegal stuff... a lot
of illegal stuff. I kept telling Andy that we were defensive here, and
we didn't want any problems from the law. During the mid-'80s, we had a
standoff with the feds. I told him to keep us out of trouble."

Patterson wouldn't say what the projects were that Strassmeir wanted
to do, but the Rev. Millar did shed a tiny bit of light on the subject.
"The illegal gun business!" Millar commented, "And when
I found out about it, I put a stop to it!"

Kirk Lyons, Strassmeir's attorney, still maintains that Strassmeir was
never head of security at Elohim City and that his client would certainly
never promote anything illegal. However, a source with state law enforcement
quite familiar with intelligence reports on Elohim City residents says
that Strassmeir was believed to be operating a large-scale terrorist- training
facility at Elohim City.

Speaking on the condition that his name not be used, the source said,
"Every few months, 15 to 30 individuals from around the U.S. would
show up for a few weeks of military-style training. The recruits,"
the source explained, "were primarily members of the Aryan Nation."
Among those who participated, the source said, was Timothy McVeigh, who,
it is widely believed, was a regular visitor to the reclusive compound.

Tending to evidence this, in October 1993, McVeigh was ticketed on a
back-roads highway which winds its way past Elohim City. And, in spite
of Kirk Lyons' statements to the media, every resident at Elohim City interviewed
by the Gazette says that Strassmeir was the head of security there until
sometime after the bombing. Elomites believe that Strassmeir and his roommate,
Mike Brescia, were stripped of their security roles because of "training
exercises" the elders thought were "too violent."

A professed revolutionary who kept a travel trailer at Elohim City well
remembers the German Strassmeir. "Yeah, I thought Andy was a friend,"
explained former Oklahoma KKK leader Dennis Mahon. He added, "I knew
that he had some type of undercover background in Germany, but I didn't
think he was all that smart."

Mahon, who shares a home with his twin brother in Tulsa, is currently
the reputed No. 3 man in the Aryan Nation spin-off White Aryan Resistance
(W.A.R.).

Only a few weeks before the Oklahoma City bombing, Mahon received a
phone call from a Nebraskan who the German government has long wanted to
get their hands on. Gary Lex Lauck, dubbed the "Farm Belt Fuhrer"
by the media, had, for many years, been the primary source of neo-Nazi
materials flowing into Germany. But not anymore.

"Yeah, I got a call from Lauck sometime before the bombing... He
told me that he was making another trip to Europe. I told him he was too
hot, and he shouldn't go." Shaking his head, Mahon says now, "He
should have listened."

Mahon, who is also banned from traveling to Canada or Germany because
of his own KKK organizing activities, related how his buddy, Lauck, was
arrested when he got off the plane in Denmark. Mahon believes the authorities
knew he was coming. But how? "Well, I did tell Strassmeir about the
trip," said Mahon. "You know, I really thought Andy was OK..."

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(TRANSCRIBER'S NOTE: "I really thought Andy was OK..." Well,
if even a megalomaniac dim-bulb like Mahon can figure it out, why can't
Kirk? IF, as J.D. Cash has written, Andy was an ATF agent provocateur,
and folks in the racist side of town like Louis Beam and Dennis Mahon can
figure it out, then why does a bright boy like Kirk Lyons, a man whose
personal and monetary arrangements with his putative "client"
would make him a co-conspirator in your average, everyday drug dealer case,
continue to defend him so vigorously?)

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The story continues.....

Family's Remains Located

On June 28, the remains of an Arkansas couple and an eight-year- old
child were located by a fisherman in the Illinois river bayou near Russellville.
State authorities report that the bodies had been handcuffed at the feet
and hands and their heads wrapped in trash bags and bound with duct tape.

William Mueller, 53, a gun show dealer, his wife, Nancy, 28, and her
daughter, Sarah Powell, lived in a cabin near Tilley, Ark. Authorities
believe they were abducted from their home on Jan. 5 of this year. Neighbors
say the couple's place had been broken into and there were some signs of
trouble inside, but no blood.

Since the bodies were discovered, the Arkansas Democrat Gazette has
been regularly reporting on the story. The eerie similarities to another
robbery of an Arkansas gun dealer have caused investigators to examine
possible connections to suspected members of the Oklahoma City bombing
conspiracy.

On Nov. 5,1994, a Royal, Ark., gun dealer was robbed and bound with
duct tape. His life spared, Roger Moore lived to tell authorities that
he suspected a former house guest, Timothy McVeigh. Later, a federal Grand
Jury reported that the robbery was indeed linked to McVeigh, Nichols and
Fortier. And, evidence showed, the proceeds of the stolen loot helped finance
the bombing conspiracy.

Authorities believe the Muellers were preparing to attend a gun show
in Oklahoma, but probably never left their home. An investigation was begun
when neighbors reported the family, and much of their personal property,
was missing. Friends also noted the Muellers' animals were locked up and
had not been fed. A month later the missing family's automobile and trailer
were found some 17 miles from their house.

Arkansas authorities also say that the Muellers were involved in an
earlier incident. In February 1995, William Mueller reported that his home
had been broken into and some $35,000 to $50,000 worth of silver bars,
gun parts and ammunition had been removed. Later, friends say, Mueller
began expressing fears that the robbers would return and kill him. Some
of those same friends say Mueller knew who the burglars were.

Mueller, a Special Forces veteran, told a friend and fellow militia
member, George Eaton, that he was concerned that he might be a target for
assassination. Mueller explained to Eaton that he believed this because
he had been having trouble with the ATF. The problem, Mueller said, centered
on the type of products the family was selling at gun shows.

The Mueller's did not sell many firearms at the shows, rather, their
sales were primarily gun parts, ammunition and anti- government video tapes,
books and assorted literature. Friends say much of that literature was
highly critical of the Clinton administration and his political cronies.

Complaining about the situation to an Arkansas news reporter a month
before the family was murdered, Mueller and his wife told Gene Wergis that
they had written a letter to their congressman detailing their feelings
about the ATF's (perceived) harassment.

Armed with correspondence related to the subject, Mueller explained
to Wergis that promoters of gun shows told him to stop selling the anti-government
literature because the ATF was threatening to "cause them problems."

One letter Mueller showed Wergis was from the director of the ATF, John
Magaw, that responded directly to Mueller's complaints. In that document,
Magaw explained that, "While the ATF couldn't legally regulate the
type of products Mueller sold, the ATF had a new policy which encouraged
promoters of gun shows to improve their image by essentially policing their
clients who rented tables at the shows."

Producing a spiral binder that Mr. Mueller kept his notes in, the dealer
told Wergis that he was especially concerned about two men who had given
him trouble at an earlier show. Those two men, Mueller believed, were probably
ATF agents because they were arguing with him about the type of materials
he was selling. Wergis told the McCurtain Gazette that the two men's names,
written down in Mueller's notebook, were Michael Brescia and Andreas Strassmeir.

Informant Scared Stiff

During a series of interviews conducted by Ambrose Evans- Prichard,
the Washington based correspondent for the London Telegraph, Strassmeir
revealed many of the closely guarded facts involving the bombing of the
Murrah federal building. Some of the facts that Strassmeir exhibited knowledge
of have never been reported. When asked how he knew these things, the coy
German replied, "I have sources."

Readily admitting that the ATF "blew the sting" at the Murrah
building, Strassmeir told Evans-Prichard that, "McVeigh made some
changes in the plan - he is a very undisciplined soldier, you know... In
retrospect, the ATF should have made the bust when the bomb was being built
in Junction City."

When was the building to be blown up? Evans-Prichard reports that Strassmeir
replied,"During the night, when no one was there - that's why the
ATF had the building staked out from midnight until 6:00 a.m. Later, the
informant believed that the bombing was off for that day and reported that...
the ATF lost control of the situation, and McVeigh and the others were
able to bomb the building."

How many trucks were used? "Two trucks were used in the operation."
How many men were in the parking lot with McVeigh? "Four, plus the
informant and McVeigh."

Asked if the informant would ever speak out, Strassmeir was quoted as
saying to Evans-Prichard, "How can he? What happens if it was a sting
operation from the very beginning? What happens if it comes out that the
plant was a provocateur? What then? The relatives of the victims are going
to go crazy and he's going to be held responsible for the deaths of 168
people? Of course the informant can't come forward. He's scared stiff right
now."

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(TRANSCRIBER'S QUESTION FOR KIRK LYONS: If your client wasn't an ATF
agent provocateur, how is it that he has such forceful and clear recollection
of the bombing conspiracy? And if Andy ain't the informant who "Can't
come forward... He's scared stiff right now....", then he apparently
knows who is. If so, why hasn't Andy told you so you can make it public
to the authorities? Or has he?)

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Dead Men Don't Speak

Immediately after the arrest of McVeigh and Nichols, federal investigators
said there could be reason to suspect the bombers night have been involved
in a series of bank holdups which had sprung up across the Midwest. A group
calling itself the Aryan Republican Army had been on a wide-ranging and
profitable crime spree since 1992.

Mocking their pursuers with cartoons and letters to newspaper, the bandits
used various disguises, including Bill Clinton masks and Santa Claus hats,
and sometimes even donned makeup and wigs to appear Middle Eastern. Witnesses
said the crooks often spoke in "gibberish" while they cleaned
out the tellers' drawers.

By December of last year, the men had hit 22 banks and made off with
some $250,000. Investigators said that much of the money was funneled back
to various neo-Nazi groups. None of it has ever been recovered.

Finally, a Break in the case occurred in January, when a pair of suspects
were arrested in Ohio. Peter K. Langan, 37, and Richard Lee Guthrie Jr.,
38, were picked up and charged as accomplices in the robberies. Soon after
Guthrie made a deal with prosecutors and began naming names. And some of
those names would be familiar ones.

Admitting that the gang's purpose was to finance the white supremacist
movement, Guthrie eventually led investigators to two other members of
the group, Kevin McCarthy, 19, and Scott Stedeford, 27. On May 24 and 22,
respectively, the two were arrested near their hometown of Philadelphia,
Pa.

In short order, various news organizations found out that the last two
suspects had links to Elohim City and two former residents there, Andreas
Strassmeir and Michael Brescia. "Yes, it's true," Said Millar.
"Those two men stayed at Elohim City before the bombing. Stedeford
for a short time, maybe a few weeks. Kevin McCarthy, for several months."
Also , Millar, remembers, "Strassmeir and Brescia did spend some time
with them while they were here." In fact, after Brescia left Oklahoma
in January, he returned to his native Pennsylvania and stayed with white
supremacist guru Mark Thomas, 44, also a Pennsylvanian.

A close friend of fellow Aryan Nation radical Dennis Mahon, Mark Thomas
now admits that he visited Elohim City just days before the bombing. Thomas
says the trip was to visit with his son, who also lived at the compound.
During questioning by the FBI, the elder Thomas admitted that he introduced
Stedeford and McCarthy to Guthrie and Langan.

Media investigators also report that Mike Brescia formed a rock band
dubbed "Cyanide" with McCarthy and Stedeford just prior to the
pair's arrest. Referred to as the "Mystery Man" in a June 30
story appearing in the Philadelphia Inquirer, local authorities indicated
that Brescia could be of special interest to them, although his whereabouts
are unknown.

However, the man who recently made a deal with prosecutors is not going
to be of any help now. Richard Guthrie's testimony was expected to unlock
this tangled web of characters and events, but that inmate was found dead
Friday. Kentucky prison officials said that they found Guthrie hanging
from a bed sheet in his cell. The cause of death has been tentatively ruled
as suicide. Authorities say two notes were left in the cell. The contents
of the notes were not released.