He's a very slim guy so that doesn't help him against bigger guards either. He is what he is. He's not super explosive but he's shifty and can get where he needs to get on the floor. This might be a good spot if we run more Uptempo Spread PnR. He can be effective in that kind of offense.

Was Perry feeling nostalgic about Nate Robinson?

Well Burke would be the Anti-Nate cuz he's not that kind of explosive guard. He is different enough from the guards we have and closer to the kind of guards Jeff has had success with. Quick and shifty guards that can get into the paint and kick, run PnR effectively.

He's a very slim guy so that doesn't help him against bigger guards either. He is what he is. He's not super explosive but he's shifty and can get where he needs to get on the floor. This might be a good spot if we run more Uptempo Spread PnR. He can be effective in that kind of offense.

Was Perry feeling nostalgic about Nate Robinson?

Well Burke would be the Anti-Nate cuz he's not that kind of explosive guard. He is different enough from the guards we have and closer to the kind of guards Jeff has had success with. Quick and shifty guards that can get into the paint and kick, run PnR effectively.

My comment was purely a reflection of his size. You know the Knicks have thing for pint sized point guards. Though KryptoNate was evening smaller

I believe it backs up Perry's contention that the Knicks want to compete, not just roll over. Frank looks like he is a ways off from being a reliable starting PG. Sessions and Jack are effective in limited minutes. Baker has to show aggressiveness for 4 quarters. Lots of guards right now who are capable of coming off the bench, but we're desperate for a PG who can have more of an immediate impact.

I like that Perry realizes that this team needs help at the point. If Kanter shows something, along with McDermott, maybe move them with KOQ for frontcourt defensive help, and a look at another PG, if Burke doesnt pan out.

This feels like a swing for the fences more than anything. Im guessing it will be either Jack or Sessions, not both being sent packing.

Agreed with the bold. Perry been signing pg's left and right since he arrived. This may be a reach but this Makes me think that Perry either believes Frank isn't a natural pg, is injury prone, or maybe just not as impressed with him as Mills proclaimed he was. I get the feeling that had Perry been here before the draft, Frank may not have been the pick...

are you guys basing the bold off the what? 17 preseason minutes?

Im basing it on Frank having close to zero time playing against quality NBA competition. Being a teenager from another country without a great deal of intl experience, playing mostly in his home country. As well as a chronic knee injury that Frank has been trying to get past, since he was playing in France.

Perry wants to win now, doesnt want to give Frank too many minutes. It means expecting Frank to be good enough this season to be a reliable starting PG, any time soon, is overly optimistic IMO. Maybe by the end of the season, if the Knicks are clearly missing the playoffs.

Too early to tell how good Frank will be, but I do believe its early enough to say (considering present circumstances) that Frank's rise wont be meteoric. Would love to be wrong though.

You said Nitty has a Chronic Knee issue. How so? I mean if I come and knee cap you weeks apart is that evidence you have a chronic knee problem or just that you need me to stop smashing a pipe into your knee?

Nitty hurt his knee the 1st time back on June 24th. The 2nd time he banged knees was on October 3rd.

Kanter looks like he banged into Nitty's knee at the end of this play.

I dont believe they test whether Frank's knee cares how it has been repeatedly injured. The only thing that matters right now is that it has been, and it was injured enough to keep him from practicing altogether for a stretch.

Im suggesting that Frank not get thrown to the wolves against the best starting PGs in the league, right out of the gate, with no SL, and little if any preseason. You would have to be hit in the head with a pipe to believe that is a good idea. Frank needs time to develop.

Obviously the Knicks are being extremely careful with Nitty as they should. My complaint was in how you tried to explain his situation as being chronic when that's not an accurate description of what happened to his knee. If he broke his nose and a month later caught an elbow and hurt it again that's just bad luck not a chronic injury!

I think you're trying to be cute. Everyone here knows how it happened, and that Frank has been experiencing repeated issues with the same knee. The injuires to his knee has been chronic, regardless of the circumstance.

That isn't what chronic means. That isn't cute. It's just English.

A problem that doesnt go away is chronic. Like you being unable to bring anything to the table but minutia, still. Let me know when you come up with something more interesting to talk about.

It did go away, and then he bumped knees.

GustavBahler, I am coming back to this, and perhaps I am a bit more irritated than norm but I'd like to address.

We can all disagree all the time but I'd like the petty bickering to stop or be kept to a minimum. I can understand if we all need to blow off some steam every once in a while but 2 posters responded in disagreement with you - nix and Knickoftime - and you responded IMO quite poorly. You can disagree all you want but if all you want to do is take some very petty shots, please stop. Just no reason for it. Maybe you have a different or weird definition of chronic, but it's not widely accepted or at a minimum waaaayyy different than most.

I love a good, friendly, argument Martin. Nit-picking over the use of a word in a paragraph that clearly was referring to Frank's repeated injury in a different context, is not fun. Nix does that a lot.

As far as the second poster, when the primary method of communication are passive aggressive, petty, comments which rarely (if ever) have anything to do with basketball, or sports in general. Then yes, I believe its only fair that Im allowed to respond in kind, if you dont address the issue.

If this is all Im going to be getting from this person, everything but basketball, you should encourage this person to find someone else to talk to, instead of always waiting for my response.

I get the feeling if I conversed with you only this way, you wouldn't like it. Most people dont, but I guess it serves a purpose...

I responded, briefly and literally, when you dismissed your misuse of the word as irrelevant, and chastised Nix (the first shot fired) for knowing that the word means and how you misrepresented it.

In an environment and which increasingly words and facts don't seem to matter and people who care are coming under fire for caring, I'm not inclined to let it go. And again I responded with no rancor, just a brief, literal correction.

I believe it backs up Perry's contention that the Knicks want to compete, not just roll over. Frank looks like he is a ways off from being a reliable starting PG. Sessions and Jack are effective in limited minutes. Baker has to show aggressiveness for 4 quarters. Lots of guards right now who are capable of coming off the bench, but we're desperate for a PG who can have more of an immediate impact.

I like that Perry realizes that this team needs help at the point. If Kanter shows something, along with McDermott, maybe move them with KOQ for frontcourt defensive help, and a look at another PG, if Burke doesnt pan out.

This feels like a swing for the fences more than anything. Im guessing it will be either Jack or Sessions, not both being sent packing.

Agreed with the bold. Perry been signing pg's left and right since he arrived. This may be a reach but this Makes me think that Perry either believes Frank isn't a natural pg, is injury prone, or maybe just not as impressed with him as Mills proclaimed he was. I get the feeling that had Perry been here before the draft, Frank may not have been the pick...

are you guys basing the bold off the what? 17 preseason minutes?

Im basing it on Frank having close to zero time playing against quality NBA competition. Being a teenager from another country without a great deal of intl experience, playing mostly in his home country. As well as a chronic knee injury that Frank has been trying to get past, since he was playing in France.

Perry wants to win now, doesnt want to give Frank too many minutes. It means expecting Frank to be good enough this season to be a reliable starting PG, any time soon, is overly optimistic IMO. Maybe by the end of the season, if the Knicks are clearly missing the playoffs.

Too early to tell how good Frank will be, but I do believe its early enough to say (considering present circumstances) that Frank's rise wont be meteoric. Would love to be wrong though.

You said Nitty has a Chronic Knee issue. How so? I mean if I come and knee cap you weeks apart is that evidence you have a chronic knee problem or just that you need me to stop smashing a pipe into your knee?

Nitty hurt his knee the 1st time back on June 24th. The 2nd time he banged knees was on October 3rd.

Kanter looks like he banged into Nitty's knee at the end of this play.

I dont believe they test whether Frank's knee cares how it has been repeatedly injured. The only thing that matters right now is that it has been, and it was injured enough to keep him from practicing altogether for a stretch.

Im suggesting that Frank not get thrown to the wolves against the best starting PGs in the league, right out of the gate, with no SL, and little if any preseason. You would have to be hit in the head with a pipe to believe that is a good idea. Frank needs time to develop.

Obviously the Knicks are being extremely careful with Nitty as they should. My complaint was in how you tried to explain his situation as being chronic when that's not an accurate description of what happened to his knee. If he broke his nose and a month later caught an elbow and hurt it again that's just bad luck not a chronic injury!

I think you're trying to be cute. Everyone here knows how it happened, and that Frank has been experiencing repeated issues with the same knee. The injuires to his knee has been chronic, regardless of the circumstance.

That isn't what chronic means. That isn't cute. It's just English.

A problem that doesnt go away is chronic. Like you being unable to bring anything to the table but minutia, still. Let me know when you come up with something more interesting to talk about.

It did go away, and then he bumped knees.

GustavBahler, I am coming back to this, and perhaps I am a bit more irritated than norm but I'd like to address.

We can all disagree all the time but I'd like the petty bickering to stop or be kept to a minimum. I can understand if we all need to blow off some steam every once in a while but 2 posters responded in disagreement with you - nix and Knickoftime - and you responded IMO quite poorly. You can disagree all you want but if all you want to do is take some very petty shots, please stop. Just no reason for it. Maybe you have a different or weird definition of chronic, but it's not widely accepted or at a minimum waaaayyy different than most.

I love a good, friendly, argument Martin. Nit-picking over the use of a word in a paragraph that clearly was referring to Frank's repeated injury in a different context, is not fun. Nix does that a lot.

As far as the second poster, when the primary method of communication are passive aggressive, petty, comments which rarely (if ever) have anything to do with basketball, or sports in general. Then yes, I believe its only fair that Im allowed to respond in kind, if you dont address the issue.

If this is all Im going to be getting from this person, everything but basketball, you should encourage this person to find someone else to talk to, instead of always waiting for my response.

I get the feeling if I conversed with you only this way, you wouldn't like it. Most people dont, but I guess it serves a purpose...

Use the ignore feature if you don't want to read or respond.

Also, suggesting that someone has a chronic knee problem, in the context of Frank, is just flat wrong. Nix corrected; if you meant otherwise, state it or move on.

Otherwise, quite frankly, this whole place dissolves into something much worse and none of us are better for it and we can never have a back and forth.

Thats all nice that you want to keep the peace on your board. I guess this little conversation we're having wouldnt be leaving such a bad taste in my mouth if I hadnt been more of a peacemaker here than you have, since joining. For years you just didnt give a ****.

You seem unable to extend the same coutesy to me that you have to these posters. I have heard many times worse and more disruptive in my direction. Your welcome.

GustavBahler wrote:Thats all nice that you want to keep the peace on your board. I guess this little conversation we're having wouldnt be leaving such a bad taste in my mouth if I hadnt been more of a peacemaker here than you have, since joining. For years you just didnt give a ****.

You seem unable to extend the same coutesy to me that you have to these posters. I have heard many times worse and more disruptive in my direction. Your welcome.

Its your board, on to another subject, hopefully basketball related.

I don't read every post or even every thread, so I miss some. I'm hopeful that as a community we can do better and each of us step up when necessary. When I see something, I step in and try to help out.

You always this flippant? Doesn't help a thing. "Your welcome"? "For years you just didnt give a ****." Come on man, you can't do better than that?

You feel like you are being attached unnecessarily or feel like something should change? Email us or bring it up in a way we can see. Lots of user do.

You used chronic in a way that no one ever has. And then you called someone else cute for trying to correct? Maybe you just irritated? IDK

Most adults just correct themselves if misspoken or meant otherwise, not sure why you didn't.

EnySpree wrote:One dynamic nobody really mentioned. Trey Burke still thinks he can be an all star. He wants to try. He had this goals. He's only 24. Frank is everyone's "next. He could beat out Jack, Sessions and Baker easily in skill and importance to the franchise. Burke is not going to lay down so easily. That competition is very important for player development.

That's the problem with Burke. He's not that good. He bombed as a starter and he's bombed off the bench. He needs to reel in expectations and try to figure out how to be just decent. He's not athletic enough to pull off the same plays he did for Michigan. Can't view as more than cap fodder until he proved otherwise.

Well actually he didn't bomb in Utah.... He was putting up decent numbers. 12/5... truth is they wanted Dante Exum to take over which has been a colossal flop. Keep in mind Horny is a Utah guy. Lots of ties to Burke with Perry, THJr and Horny.

He's still young and talented enough to take a closer look.

He shot 38% and 36% percent overall with below avg 3 point shooting. I'd say he bombed. I remember when they drafted Exum. They questioned whether or not Burke could be a starter then. The guy needs to realize his limitations and learn how to maximize his strengths to learn how to be a rotation player. Burke reminds me of a less athletic, worse shooting dj augustine.

I think EnySpree was referring to Burke being much more efficient last season with the Wizards! Hopefully he can show consistent improvement shooting the ball here.

I went to a few Wiz home games and have a decent pulse on the team. I still hate them, but I can say there is a reason they thought Brands Jennings was an upgrade.

Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
- The Tick

GustavBahler wrote:Thats all nice that you want to keep the peace on your board. I guess this little conversation we're having wouldnt be leaving such a bad taste in my mouth if I hadnt been more of a peacemaker here than you have, since joining. For years you just didnt give a ****.

You seem unable to extend the same coutesy to me that you have to these posters. I have heard many times worse and more disruptive in my direction. Your welcome.

Its your board, on to another subject, hopefully basketball related.

I don't read every post or even every thread, so I miss some. I'm hopeful that as a community we can do better and each of us step up when necessary. When I see something, I step in and try to help out.

You always this flippant? Doesn't help a thing. "Your welcome"? "For years you just didnt give a ****." Come on man, you can't do better than that?

You feel like you are being attached unnecessarily or feel like something should change? Email us or bring it up in a way we can see. Lots of user do.

You used chronic in a way that no one every has. And then you called someone else cute for trying to correct? Maybe you just irritated? IDK

Most adults just correct themselves if misspoken or meant otherwise, not sure why you didn't.

Most adults wouldnt even try to suggest that you were anything but disinterested, for a very long time. You've read my posts, most of the time Im very, very, respectful. Especially when I disagree with someone. Dont believe you missed enough posts to pretend you know otherwise Martin. I would have to be on ignore. And you're clearly not doing that.

I dont care how someone took the use of a word if they know I was clearly using it in a different context than they are suggesting I am. This would be of concern to someone who doesnt follow the NBA, the Knicks, or knows how those injuries occurred. Thats pretty much no one on this board. Its PR.

GustavBahler wrote:Thats all nice that you want to keep the peace on your board. I guess this little conversation we're having wouldnt be leaving such a bad taste in my mouth if I hadnt been more of a peacemaker here than you have, since joining. For years you just didnt give a ****.

You seem unable to extend the same coutesy to me that you have to these posters. I have heard many times worse and more disruptive in my direction. Your welcome.

Its your board, on to another subject, hopefully basketball related.

I don't read every post or even every thread, so I miss some. I'm hopeful that as a community we can do better and each of us step up when necessary. When I see something, I step in and try to help out.

You always this flippant? Doesn't help a thing. "Your welcome"? "For years you just didnt give a ****." Come on man, you can't do better than that?

You feel like you are being attached unnecessarily or feel like something should change? Email us or bring it up in a way we can see. Lots of user do.

You used chronic in a way that no one every has. And then you called someone else cute for trying to correct? Maybe you just irritated? IDK

Most adults just correct themselves if misspoken or meant otherwise, not sure why you didn't.

Most adults wouldnt even try to suggest that you were anything but disinterested, for a very long time. You've read my posts, most of the time Im very, very, respectful. Especially when I disagree with someone. Dont believe you missed enough posts to pretend you know otherwise Martin. I would have to be on ignore. And you're clearly not doing that.

I dont care how someone took the use of a word if they know I was clearly using it in a different context than they are suggesting I am. This would be of concern to someone who doesnt follow the NBA, the Knicks, or knows how those injuries occurred. Thats pretty much no one on this board. Its PR.

Thats all I have to say.

It's too bad you feel that way. You ever try to contact us and see what's up? Reach out in another way to see if anything could be done differently? We try to be as responsive as possible but we got lives just like everyone.

I will try read your posts more carefully and take note about how respectful you are. Obviously this thread is a very poor example of your very, very respectful manor, I hope to see otherwise.

GustavBahler wrote:Thats all nice that you want to keep the peace on your board. I guess this little conversation we're having wouldnt be leaving such a bad taste in my mouth if I hadnt been more of a peacemaker here than you have, since joining. For years you just didnt give a ****.

You seem unable to extend the same coutesy to me that you have to these posters. I have heard many times worse and more disruptive in my direction. Your welcome.

Its your board, on to another subject, hopefully basketball related.

I don't read every post or even every thread, so I miss some. I'm hopeful that as a community we can do better and each of us step up when necessary. When I see something, I step in and try to help out.

You always this flippant? Doesn't help a thing. "Your welcome"? "For years you just didnt give a ****." Come on man, you can't do better than that?

You feel like you are being attached unnecessarily or feel like something should change? Email us or bring it up in a way we can see. Lots of user do.

You used chronic in a way that no one every has. And then you called someone else cute for trying to correct? Maybe you just irritated? IDK

Most adults just correct themselves if misspoken or meant otherwise, not sure why you didn't.

Most adults wouldnt even try to suggest that you were anything but disinterested, for a very long time. You've read my posts, most of the time Im very, very, respectful. Especially when I disagree with someone. Dont believe you missed enough posts to pretend you know otherwise Martin. I would have to be on ignore. And you're clearly not doing that.

I dont care how someone took the use of a word if they know I was clearly using it in a different context than they are suggesting I am. This would be of concern to someone who doesnt follow the NBA, the Knicks, or knows how those injuries occurred. Thats pretty much no one on this board. Its PR.

Thats all I have to say.

It's too bad you feel that way. You ever try to contact us and see what's up? Reach out in another way to see if anything could be done differently? We try to be as responsive as possible but we got lives just like everyone.

I will try read your posts more carefully and take note about how respectful you are. Obviously this thread is a very poor example of your very, very respectful manor, I hope to see otherwise.

You know doubt have set that bar particularly high.

Fair?

Im glad that this post was important to you. Im sorry that the only thing of note that Ive written on this board in your estimation, is my telling the same poster repeatedly to piss off. If its never BBall related.

If 7 plus years and many thousands of posts on a board with a few regulars wont do it, Im pretty sure nothing will get your attention. I guess thats why our basketball related debates don't last very long.

The bar is yours. Just please don't ask me to limbo, when others don't have to do the same. That seems fair to me.

The Knicks will have an open roster spot in the first 12 games of the season while Joakim Noah serves his suspension. Either Trey Burke or Jarrett Jack could fill that spot during Noah's suspension. After those first 12 games, New York would have to cut a player with a guaranteed contract to make room for Burke to stay on the roster. Burke is optimistic that he'll force the Knicks to make that decision. "I believe in myself. I'm looking forward to coming out here every day and proving myself. Obviously I want to make this roster. We know nothing is given. For me, my faith took me a long way. So I believe that I will make the roster even if no one else does so we'll see what happens."

GustavBahler wrote:Thats all nice that you want to keep the peace on your board. I guess this little conversation we're having wouldnt be leaving such a bad taste in my mouth if I hadnt been more of a peacemaker here than you have, since joining. For years you just didnt give a ****.

You seem unable to extend the same coutesy to me that you have to these posters. I have heard many times worse and more disruptive in my direction. Your welcome.

Its your board, on to another subject, hopefully basketball related.

I don't read every post or even every thread, so I miss some. I'm hopeful that as a community we can do better and each of us step up when necessary. When I see something, I step in and try to help out.

You always this flippant? Doesn't help a thing. "Your welcome"? "For years you just didnt give a ****." Come on man, you can't do better than that?

You feel like you are being attached unnecessarily or feel like something should change? Email us or bring it up in a way we can see. Lots of user do.

You used chronic in a way that no one every has. And then you called someone else cute for trying to correct? Maybe you just irritated? IDK

Most adults just correct themselves if misspoken or meant otherwise, not sure why you didn't.

Most adults wouldnt even try to suggest that you were anything but disinterested, for a very long time. You've read my posts, most of the time Im very, very, respectful. Especially when I disagree with someone. Dont believe you missed enough posts to pretend you know otherwise Martin. I would have to be on ignore. And you're clearly not doing that.

I dont care how someone took the use of a word if they know I was clearly using it in a different context than they are suggesting I am. This would be of concern to someone who doesnt follow the NBA, the Knicks, or knows how those injuries occurred. Thats pretty much no one on this board. Its PR.

Thats all I have to say.

It's too bad you feel that way. You ever try to contact us and see what's up? Reach out in another way to see if anything could be done differently? We try to be as responsive as possible but we got lives just like everyone.

I will try read your posts more carefully and take note about how respectful you are. Obviously this thread is a very poor example of your very, very respectful manor, I hope to see otherwise.

You know doubt have set that bar particularly high.

Fair?

Im glad that this post was important to you. Im sorry that the only thing of note that Ive written on this board in your estimation, is my telling the same poster repeatedly to piss off. If its never BBall related.

If 7 plus years and many thousands of posts on a board with a few regulars wont do it, Im pretty sure nothing will get your attention. I guess thats why our basketball related debates don't last very long.

The bar is yours. Just please don't ask me to limbo, when others don't have to do the same. That seems fair to me.

I'm not asking you to do anything that you don't claim to be already doing: "You've read my posts, most of the time Im very, very, respectful." No limbo required.

Also, I'll letting you know that I'll pay closer attention when I can.

If you expect us to know every user and also hold a fairly good understanding of how each user engages, I will let you know that I won't meet that. And that's why I am hoping others will step up in my place. Perhaps you already have, I missed it.

If there is anything else we don't notice, please reach out. I've asked several times if you've tried.

The Knicks will have an open roster spot in the first 12 games of the season while Joakim Noah serves his suspension. Either Trey Burke or Jarrett Jack could fill that spot during Noah's suspension. After those first 12 games, New York would have to cut a player with a guaranteed contract to make room for Burke to stay on the roster. Burke is optimistic that he'll force the Knicks to make that decision. "I believe in myself. I'm looking forward to coming out here every day and proving myself. Obviously I want to make this roster. We know nothing is given. For me, my faith took me a long way. So I believe that I will make the roster even if no one else does so we'll see what happens."

Boom!

Makes sense. 12 game try out to see if we can catch lightning in a bottle due to the open roster spot. All up to Burke to make something happen.

GustavBahler wrote:Thats all nice that you want to keep the peace on your board. I guess this little conversation we're having wouldnt be leaving such a bad taste in my mouth if I hadnt been more of a peacemaker here than you have, since joining. For years you just didnt give a ****.

You seem unable to extend the same coutesy to me that you have to these posters. I have heard many times worse and more disruptive in my direction. Your welcome.

Its your board, on to another subject, hopefully basketball related.

I don't read every post or even every thread, so I miss some. I'm hopeful that as a community we can do better and each of us step up when necessary. When I see something, I step in and try to help out.

You always this flippant? Doesn't help a thing. "Your welcome"? "For years you just didnt give a ****." Come on man, you can't do better than that?

You feel like you are being attached unnecessarily or feel like something should change? Email us or bring it up in a way we can see. Lots of user do.

You used chronic in a way that no one every has. And then you called someone else cute for trying to correct? Maybe you just irritated? IDK

Most adults just correct themselves if misspoken or meant otherwise, not sure why you didn't.

Most adults wouldnt even try to suggest that you were anything but disinterested, for a very long time. You've read my posts, most of the time Im very, very, respectful. Especially when I disagree with someone. Dont believe you missed enough posts to pretend you know otherwise Martin. I would have to be on ignore. And you're clearly not doing that.

I dont care how someone took the use of a word if they know I was clearly using it in a different context than they are suggesting I am. This would be of concern to someone who doesnt follow the NBA, the Knicks, or knows how those injuries occurred. Thats pretty much no one on this board. Its PR.

Thats all I have to say.

It's too bad you feel that way. You ever try to contact us and see what's up? Reach out in another way to see if anything could be done differently? We try to be as responsive as possible but we got lives just like everyone.

I will try read your posts more carefully and take note about how respectful you are. Obviously this thread is a very poor example of your very, very respectful manor, I hope to see otherwise.

You know doubt have set that bar particularly high.

Fair?

Im glad that this post was important to you. Im sorry that the only thing of note that Ive written on this board in your estimation, is my telling the same poster repeatedly to piss off. If its never BBall related.

If 7 plus years and many thousands of posts on a board with a few regulars wont do it, Im pretty sure nothing will get your attention. I guess thats why our basketball related debates don't last very long.

The bar is yours. Just please don't ask me to limbo, when others don't have to do the same. That seems fair to me.

I'm not asking you to do anything that you don't claim to be already doing: "You've read my posts, most of the time Im very, very, respectful." No limbo required.

Also, I'll letting you know that I'll pay closer attention when I can.

If you expect us to know every user and also hold a fairly good understanding of how each user engages, I will let you know that I won't meet that. And that's why I am hoping others will step up in my place. Perhaps you already have, I missed it.

If there is anything else we don't notice, please reach out. I've asked several times if you've tried.

Fair Enough. You can really show what a nice guy you are by considering letting Briggs back. Maybe not let him into the politics playhouse, where many have stumbled. Myself included.

I have lived around folks with Briggs mindset for quite a few years now. Some of it is inexcusable, but a lot of it is fear of the unknown. Which some are only too happy to exploit for political gain. You've seen it, Im sure.

GustavBahler wrote:Fair Enough. You can really show what a nice guy you are by considering letting Briggs back. Maybe not let him into the politics playhouse, where many have stumbled. Myself included.

I have lived around folks with Briggs mindset for quite a few years now. Some of it is inexcusable, but a lot of it is fear of the unknown. Which some are only too happy to exploit for political gain. You've seen it, Im sure.

The Knicks will have an open roster spot in the first 12 games of the season while Joakim Noah serves his suspension. Either Trey Burke or Jarrett Jack could fill that spot during Noah's suspension. After those first 12 games, New York would have to cut a player with a guaranteed contract to make room for Burke to stay on the roster. Burke is optimistic that he'll force the Knicks to make that decision. "I believe in myself. I'm looking forward to coming out here every day and proving myself. Obviously I want to make this roster. We know nothing is given. For me, my faith took me a long way. So I believe that I will make the roster even if no one else does so we'll see what happens."

Boom!

Makes sense. 12 game try out to see if we can catch lightning in a bottle due to the open roster spot. All up to Burke to make something happen.

I believe it backs up Perry's contention that the Knicks want to compete, not just roll over. Frank looks like he is a ways off from being a reliable starting PG. Sessions and Jack are effective in limited minutes. Baker has to show aggressiveness for 4 quarters. Lots of guards right now who are capable of coming off the bench, but we're desperate for a PG who can have more of an immediate impact.

I like that Perry realizes that this team needs help at the point. If Kanter shows something, along with McDermott, maybe move them with KOQ for frontcourt defensive help, and a look at another PG, if Burke doesnt pan out.

This feels like a swing for the fences more than anything. Im guessing it will be either Jack or Sessions, not both being sent packing.

Agreed with the bold. Perry been signing pg's left and right since he arrived. This may be a reach but this Makes me think that Perry either believes Frank isn't a natural pg, is injury prone, or maybe just not as impressed with him as Mills proclaimed he was. I get the feeling that had Perry been here before the draft, Frank may not have been the pick...

are you guys basing the bold off the what? 17 preseason minutes?

Im basing it on Frank having close to zero time playing against quality NBA competition. Being a teenager from another country without a great deal of intl experience, playing mostly in his home country. As well as a chronic knee injury that Frank has been trying to get past, since he was playing in France.

Perry wants to win now, doesnt want to give Frank too many minutes. It means expecting Frank to be good enough this season to be a reliable starting PG, any time soon, is overly optimistic IMO. Maybe by the end of the season, if the Knicks are clearly missing the playoffs.

Too early to tell how good Frank will be, but I do believe its early enough to say (considering present circumstances) that Frank's rise wont be meteoric. Would love to be wrong though.

He looked great in the scrimmage, and look really poised in his limited action. Based of what he has displayed when he has played he has looked pretty good.

Time will tell the motives behind the signing. Could be anything from them not believing Frank is going to be reliable in terms of availability this season to go with the learning curve. To Perry bringing in Burke more so due to lack of faith in Sessions, Baker & Jack. To Perry looking to catch lightning in a bottle in an ex 24 yr old lotto pick. Who will try to push for a role either as starter or backup.

At the end of the day its up to Frank to get healthy and rise above the comp.

IMO the Knicks know what they've got in Nitty. He's a top 8 pick for a reason. We saw glimpses of what Nitty is going to be capable of. He's not going to be beat out if healthy IMO. He just brings too much to the table.

Burke does things our other guards don't in terms of being able to snake his way into the paint. He's a smaller shifty PG. Perry could be looking to give Jeff a penetrating PG so he can have that tool in the toolbox. This team needs a change of pace PG to keep teams from being able to guard the Knicks the same way.

pick #8 doesn't have the greatest track record, but I still believe frank will be a decent player, just not an all star

I believe it backs up Perry's contention that the Knicks want to compete, not just roll over. Frank looks like he is a ways off from being a reliable starting PG. Sessions and Jack are effective in limited minutes. Baker has to show aggressiveness for 4 quarters. Lots of guards right now who are capable of coming off the bench, but we're desperate for a PG who can have more of an immediate impact.

I like that Perry realizes that this team needs help at the point. If Kanter shows something, along with McDermott, maybe move them with KOQ for frontcourt defensive help, and a look at another PG, if Burke doesnt pan out.

This feels like a swing for the fences more than anything. Im guessing it will be either Jack or Sessions, not both being sent packing.

Agreed with the bold. Perry been signing pg's left and right since he arrived. This may be a reach but this Makes me think that Perry either believes Frank isn't a natural pg, is injury prone, or maybe just not as impressed with him as Mills proclaimed he was. I get the feeling that had Perry been here before the draft, Frank may not have been the pick...

are you guys basing the bold off the what? 17 preseason minutes?

Im basing it on Frank having close to zero time playing against quality NBA competition. Being a teenager from another country without a great deal of intl experience, playing mostly in his home country. As well as a chronic knee injury that Frank has been trying to get past, since he was playing in France.

Perry wants to win now, doesnt want to give Frank too many minutes. It means expecting Frank to be good enough this season to be a reliable starting PG, any time soon, is overly optimistic IMO. Maybe by the end of the season, if the Knicks are clearly missing the playoffs.

Too early to tell how good Frank will be, but I do believe its early enough to say (considering present circumstances) that Frank's rise wont be meteoric. Would love to be wrong though.

He looked great in the scrimmage, and look really poised in his limited action. Based of what he has displayed when he has played he has looked pretty good.

Time will tell the motives behind the signing. Could be anything from them not believing Frank is going to be reliable in terms of availability this season to go with the learning curve. To Perry bringing in Burke more so due to lack of faith in Sessions, Baker & Jack. To Perry looking to catch lightning in a bottle in an ex 24 yr old lotto pick. Who will try to push for a role either as starter or backup.

At the end of the day its up to Frank to get healthy and rise above the comp.

IMO the Knicks know what they've got in Nitty. He's a top 8 pick for a reason. We saw glimpses of what Nitty is going to be capable of. He's not going to be beat out if healthy IMO. He just brings too much to the table.

Burke does things our other guards don't in terms of being able to snake his way into the paint. He's a smaller shifty PG. Perry could be looking to give Jeff a penetrating PG so he can have that tool in the toolbox. This team needs a change of pace PG to keep teams from being able to guard the Knicks the same way.

pick #8 doesn't have the greatest track record, but I still believe frank will be a decent player, just not an all star

My view was always that Nitty could be a PG version of Kawhi. Not an Offense Dominant player but a great balanced 2Way player. Another comp is Billups in his prime. We tend to forget that there are different types of winning players than what we consider the prototype PG.

We got 4 PGs because we don't really have any for this year. I have hope for Frank but banking on him in his rookie year, a season after he played half as many minutes as the average NCAA first rounder would be beyond reckless

I would be fine if we kept all four because maybe Burke can play his way into our core. I loved Burke in college. That said, he has been a disappointment. Jack would be great but I think he's broken. We aren't going to win many games if Session is giving us minutes a la Duhon. In theory Frank should be good but. again. we. haven't. seen. him. play. Not for many meaningful minutes

Started with a bang, highly hyped at first. Fizzled out.Bad shooter, barely 6ft and doesn't do anything well if I remember correctly.

someone said 'John Starks' before as a comp. I don't like the comp for how he plays, but I do like it in terms of how he carries himself. His attitude would've been a great fit for the 90s Knicks

He is definitely a score-first guy, but isn't necessarily scared to share the ball either. He's a willing defender. I loved him coming out of college and thought he'd be much better than he is. Why? He's tiny for the position.

So back to Starks, if Burke can become the mind-over-matter guy, I think he could make a mark in the league

I believe it backs up Perry's contention that the Knicks want to compete, not just roll over. Frank looks like he is a ways off from being a reliable starting PG. Sessions and Jack are effective in limited minutes. Baker has to show aggressiveness for 4 quarters. Lots of guards right now who are capable of coming off the bench, but we're desperate for a PG who can have more of an immediate impact.

I like that Perry realizes that this team needs help at the point. If Kanter shows something, along with McDermott, maybe move them with KOQ for frontcourt defensive help, and a look at another PG, if Burke doesnt pan out.

This feels like a swing for the fences more than anything. Im guessing it will be either Jack or Sessions, not both being sent packing.

Agreed with the bold. Perry been signing pg's left and right since he arrived. This may be a reach but this Makes me think that Perry either believes Frank isn't a natural pg, is injury prone, or maybe just not as impressed with him as Mills proclaimed he was. I get the feeling that had Perry been here before the draft, Frank may not have been the pick...

are you guys basing the bold off the what? 17 preseason minutes?

Im basing it on Frank having close to zero time playing against quality NBA competition. Being a teenager from another country without a great deal of intl experience, playing mostly in his home country. As well as a chronic knee injury that Frank has been trying to get past, since he was playing in France.

Perry wants to win now, doesnt want to give Frank too many minutes. It means expecting Frank to be good enough this season to be a reliable starting PG, any time soon, is overly optimistic IMO. Maybe by the end of the season, if the Knicks are clearly missing the playoffs.

Too early to tell how good Frank will be, but I do believe its early enough to say (considering present circumstances) that Frank's rise wont be meteoric. Would love to be wrong though.

He looked great in the scrimmage, and look really poised in his limited action. Based of what he has displayed when he has played he has looked pretty good.

Time will tell the motives behind the signing. Could be anything from them not believing Frank is going to be reliable in terms of availability this season to go with the learning curve. To Perry bringing in Burke more so due to lack of faith in Sessions, Baker & Jack. To Perry looking to catch lightning in a bottle in an ex 24 yr old lotto pick. Who will try to push for a role either as starter or backup.

At the end of the day its up to Frank to get healthy and rise above the comp.

IMO the Knicks know what they've got in Nitty. He's a top 8 pick for a reason. We saw glimpses of what Nitty is going to be capable of. He's not going to be beat out if healthy IMO. He just brings too much to the table.

Burke does things our other guards don't in terms of being able to snake his way into the paint. He's a smaller shifty PG. Perry could be looking to give Jeff a penetrating PG so he can have that tool in the toolbox. This team needs a change of pace PG to keep teams from being able to guard the Knicks the same way.

pick #8 doesn't have the greatest track record, but I still believe frank will be a decent player, just not an all star

My view was always that Nitty could be a PG version of Kawhi. Not an Offense Dominant player but a great balanced 2Way player. Another comp is Billups in his prime. We tend to forget that there are different types of winning players than what we consider the prototype PG.