Sarah Palin: new chapter, same challenges

If Sarah Palin's book tour is an opening salvo in a run for the presidency in 2012, she faces a steep uphill climb: a majority of Americans in a new Washington Post-ABC News poll say they would "definitely not vote for her."

Most - 60 percent - in the new poll say the former Alaska governor is not qualified to serve as president, and her favorability rating remains stuck well below what it was when she first emerged on the national scene at last year's Republican convention.

But she continues to have strident supporters, particularly among the Republican base, lifting her political influence. Overall, 52 percent of those polled say they see Palin in unfavorable terms, but among Republicans, her positive rating soars to 76 percent. Nearly two-thirds of all white evangelical Protestants hold favorable views of her.

Put together, a majority of Americans have "strongly" positive or negative views of her, more than enough to propel her new memoir onto the bestseller lists.

However, if the goal is the White House, public opinion is now tilted against the idea: asked if they would consider voting for Palin in 2012, 53 percent say they would not. Just 9 percent say they would definitely vote for her; another 37 percent say they would consider it. The 53 percent who say they would definitely not vote for Palin now is nearly twice the percentage who said so of her 2008 running mate John McCain in the spring of 2006 (28 percent). Back then, 42 percent said they would definitely not support Hillary Clinton for the presidency.

Women tend to be more critical of Palin than are men, with female Democrats and independents more apt than their male counterparts to view her unfavorably, see her as not qualified for the presidency and say they would not support her candidacy.

More from this new poll later today and this week in the Washington Post.

Simple Sarah is an idiot. A loser and a proven quitter. I can't even imagine being stupid enough to think this simpleton is somehow qualified to hold elected office.
If you're even considering voting for this moron, do the world a favor and remove yourself from the gene pool.

Palin's support base is the shrinking male evangelical voter that is eroding the chances of a 2012 White House recapture. Unfortunately, the other tired exo-skeletons that are being trotted out by the GOP have the same base. Why does the party continue to promote failed candidates? It can be for one reason only -there is no fresh face with cross-party appeal on the horizon. It must get serious about building its future, before there is no demographic left for the GOP to call its own.

When you take a poll of respondents that are 75%+ Democrat or liberal, obviously the results will reflect a negative bias toward a Republican or conservative. The same could be said if you took a poll at Fox News. The same poll taken there would show a vast majority would vote for Palin.

Not only is Palin no bright enough to hold high public office, she's even not bright enough to be a rube fooler on Fox News. Were this not the case, Palin would be there today making millions of dollars by charming the rubes into voting against their own best interests.

Big Business should take another look at Palin. Her flock is highly attuned to "culture war" issues that can be allied with de-regulation, tax cuts, and non-enforcement of anti-trust, health, or environmental standards. The "guvmint = devil" principle can extend from one realm into the other. Hatred of the "revenuers" is so strong that the Palin element might even support abolition of public agencies, schools, the Congress, or courts altogether, possibly excepting the Pentagon. Now wouldn't that be a comfy system? Interested sponsors can contract her, tender the appropriate "$weetener," and get a nice wink and smile.

That says about all you need to know about this poll. Those organizations are objective and trustworthy. Right. Che and Stalin would poll well for these guys.

I also have to laugh when I see anyone on the left questioning Palin's qualifications to be president. Compared to who?

Barack "the empty suit" Obama or Joe "the gaffe machine" Biden? Neither one of them have had a non-political job as adults. They both have obtained "special" mortgages from big, TARP rich banks. Joe in fact has gotten 29 "special" mortgages according to the NYT's. Neither of them have any military, business, management, administrative or foreign policy experience. Neither have any significant legal experience, no opinions or scolarly works. Nada. They are by any fair measure non-entities. Maybe under normal circumstances Obama would have achieved the august rank of Chicago alderman before going to Federal prison as is our tradition in Chicago. No. Thanks to 50 years of dumbed down public school education, an in-the-tank media and far left lunacy he is in the White House. A slicker, better spoken Roland Burris, a front man for the Daley machine.

Palin on the other hand has business experience, been a mayor and a governor. She doesn't string together gibberish with ease and is uncomfortable with an intrusive and corrupt media. In short she reacts like any normal, decent person would.

Liberals, on the other hand,seem to take the ability to glibbly string together airy phrases, lies, half truths and platitudes for a sycophantic media (oooh, my leg is tingling),while doing the opposite, as a sign of presidential timber.

Intelligent, sane people don't. We just call them the bums, crooks and liars they are. Is that why the left is so obviously afraid of beautiful, accomplished, tough and sane Sarah? Add a large dash of misogyny and you've got it.

It's fascinating to watch journalists and socialists twist and squirm at the mention of Sarah Palin's name. You don't like her? Fine, don't like her. But what is she doing these days to hurt you socialists? She's out of office, doing what every other former politician has done, write a book, make some money. Both Clintons made millions writing their memoirs. So what's wrong with Sarah doing the same thing?

Let her be. She's no threat to you socialists and communists. Or is she?

The Washington Post/ABC poll must be tainted with Democrats, because the argument that Sarah Palin in not qualified doesn't make sense. She has more experience than our current President, and she had a shining record in Alaska up until she accepted the Vice Presidential nomination. At the time of her acceptance she had a 90% approval rating by both parties.

2012 is many months away, but at the rate Obama is going, he will be a one term President. Sarah Palin is here to stay and may surprise many by 2012.

Ha ha ha ha ha.....
You PALINITES are suffering from the same thing as OTHER PROMINENT "Family Values" people, like Gingrich, Foley, Craig, Vitter, etc, etc.....
YOU'RE THINKING WITH THE "WRONG HEAD"....
LMAO!
"Grandpa, what was a rebuplican?"

The media did a yeoman's job of destroying Palin's credibility during the campaign because they were in the tank for Obama. In actuality, she has more governing experience, more budgetary experience, and more chutzpah than the self-proclaimed "first Pacific president" who's continued voting "present" since taking office.

1djn says: She has more experience than our current President, and she had a shining record in Alaska up until she accepted the Vice Presidential nomination.

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She quit her job because there were so many charges of corruption against her. Where was the angry backlash against her leaving? If she ever does run again, there is plenty of information that has yet to surface involving ineptitude, careless spending of Federal taxpayer money, pandering, and influence-peddling. Bring it on, Sarah. We enjoy learning more about you every day.

Former Alaska Governor lashed out at the Associated Press Sunday for doing a fact-check on her memoir, "Going Rogue."

"Amazingly, but not surprisingly, the AP somehow nabbed a copy of the book before it was released," she wrote on her Facebook page. "They're now erroneously reporting on the book's contents and are repeating many of the same things they spewed during the campaign and afterwards. We've heard 11 writers are engaged in this opposition research, er, "fact checking" research!"

The AP reported that Palin's account often contradicted her record as well as current events. Her depiction of the McCain campaign is also frequently at odds with internal campaign emails.

Beautiful? If you say so.
Accomplished? I suppose getting foreign policy knowledge from a view of the Bering Strait is an accomplishment.
Tough people don't quit their job because reporters make fun of their beautiful accomplishments.
Sane people don't cite Katie Freakin' Couric as an example of ruthless interrogation.

Why did her doctor's office use WiteOut on the bill for her abortion? Is she trying to say that there is a physical record of her having an abortion, and the WiteOut is an attempt to get ahead of the documents that prove it? Seems like it from here. What doctor's office alters forms with WiteOut anyway? None.

JoeDBrown, I don't know what your education level is but it is fairly easy to determine from the silly, outdated 60s rhetoric you use with references to "Che" and "Stalin" that wherever you got whatever education you obtained, it did not have much impact on your intellect.

You mentioned the phrase "dumbed down". Your post was about as emblematic of that condition as one can get. Look. Hokey yokels like you have been using the so-called liberal media as a crutch for years for your own failures. Every time you lose a vote in an election or on an issue before Congress you blubber like spoiled children who have been grounded blaming the media for your own weaknesses and failures.

And fail you did. It dsoes little good now to pretend that you were opposed to the "big spending" policies of George W. Bush. You right wingers had near absolute power for four years--from 2002 to 2006--so you had ample opportunity to vote down any spending you didn't like. So, this wasn't some isolated failure on the part of an unpopular President. You conservatives must accept a share of that failure.

It was insane to pass a tax cut for the welathiest sector in this country in 2001, then authorize an unpaid for war in Iraq in 2003 grounded on questionable intelligence and a flawed foreign policy doctrine. It was insane to pennypinch on infrastucture spending that could have gone to repairing levees in New Orleans that would have prevented flooding in the wake of Katrina. And it was insane to think that the Congress would cut entitlement spending on some nutty theory called "starve the beast". Even the most rigid conservatives did not have the gumption to tell the American people they were going to cut their social security and medicare benefits to pay for those 2001 tax cuts.

Dumbed down Joe? I think it is you who fits that description. Your entire boneheaded piece could have been written by that big fat idiot on talk radio. For 8 years George W. Bush pricked his ears in Limbaugh's direction and listened to the vapid, banal claptrap he peddles every day. And just look where it has gotten him---and us.

She's pretty, ran a state as governor, had a family that all pitched in (without getting government assistance), had an 85% approval rating from her constituents, is an outdoor woman who hunts and fishes....

Sarah Palin won't run for president, you can bet on that. Her lovesick fans hope she will, but she's just being coy, stringing them along, hoping they'll buy her book. She doesn't have the fortitude to run for president... don't forget she QUIT in Alaska!

After the novelty of the book wears off, she'll be marginalized. She doesn't have enough substance to write ANOTHER book! The reason the book was rushed into publication is because her appeal is truly limited.

Think about it: if she runs for office, she'll have to disclose all those things about herself she doesn't WANT to disclose. Her past will continue to haunt her. She's so unethical and dishonest, she'd never make it past the primaries.

As a private citizen, she can be dishonest AND make money at it. Dancing With the Stars, maybe. President? HA HA HA HA HA HA.

One example:
In her book, PALIN: Rails against taxpayer-financed bailouts, which she attributes to Obama. She recounts telling daughter Bristol that to succeed in business, ''you'll have to be brave enough to fail.''

THE FACTS: Palin is blurring the lines between Obama's stimulus plan -- a $787 billion package of tax cuts, state aid, social programs and government contracts -- and the federal bailout that Republican presidential candidate John McCain voted for and President George W. Bush signed.

Palin's views on bailouts appeared to evolve as McCain's vice presidential running mate. In September 2008, she said ''taxpayers cannot be looked to as the bailout, as the solution, to the problems on Wall Street.'' A week later, she said ''ultimately what the bailout does is help those who are concerned about the health care reform that is needed to help shore up our economy.''

During the vice presidential debate in October, Palin praised McCain for being ''instrumental in bringing folks together'' to pass the $700 billion bailout. After that, she said ''it is a time of crisis and government did have to step in.''

Palin is a right wing fundamentalist; she rejects the scientific process in favor of a literal interpretation of the bible and, clearly, would continue in bush's footsteps of packing government agencies with ignorant clerks who enforce fundamentalist views. She has absolutely no place in our government, which was founded on the separation of church and state.

Palin will enjoy being famous for being famous. Actually doing the job she'd be running for has already proven tedious to her. Quitting as governor doomed her as a serious candidate for anything but a radio partnership with Rush Limbaugh. Better to wink all the way to the bank.

There is a big difference between beliefs and facts, and the vigorous Evangelical support for Palin is indicative of what those folks want govt. to be (a Christian Talibancy), and not what is. Sarah is so very fact challenged, as well as ethics challenged, that no fact based person would ever hand her the keys to our nuclear arsenal, foreign policy, or Dept. of Justice.
Even the Associated Press, which tends to favor the GOP, has this fact check article about her book, where she has gone rogue on the facts: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_palin_book_fact_check
She is a walking time bomb and has no regard for the facts.

Why are you wasting space with this story? palin is the by-product of mckanes deperation mixed with his knack for acting before thinking. She is a non-entity. She would not even win as mayor of Wasilla a t this juncture - and the fact that anyone has even heard of Wasilla is proof positive that were it not for mckane she would be up in Alaska, thankfully for the civilized worl, unheard from, unheard of, and trying to actually do the job she was elected by the 50 people who actually live in that frozen hell hole to do.

Enough. She is a nobody, she was a nobody, and if she did not have nice legs and a good makeup snese no one but no one would give her a buck for a cup of coffee.

Look. Sarah Palin is--just as David Brooks described her yesterday on Stephanopoulos show--a joke. The fact that 76% of republicans wildly support her does not diminish the fact that she would be a disaster for not only republicans for decades to come, but also for our country.

Look what 8 years of George W. Bush applying the same philosophy Palin believes in has done to us. And that philosophy is easily summed up by the phrase "starve the beast". The ludicrous assumption is that if you keep denyiong the government funding through tax cuts, they will eventually have to cut spending.

This grew out of a nutty idea floated by the Club for Growth. What they did not understand was that the spending cuts they they thought would automatically follow, were for programs that have the overwhelming support of the American people. Bush found that out in a painful way in his second term when he trid to set up private accounts on Wall Street for a portion of social security--another winning idea from the Club for Growth! Bush got crushed.

If by some trickery Palin were elected--and it would have to be some trickery--she would be a slave to this same idiotic philosophy. She has already suffered one humiliation in the NY 23rd district where with the assistance of--you guessed it!--the Club for Growth--she got a democrat elected to that seat for the first time since the Civil War!

Now Palin and the Club for Growth want to extend that winning combination to the rest of the country in the upcoming elections. Boy, talk about living in Wonderland where down is up and losing is winning!

1. Palin's book and other enterprises are not being produced to support a run for president. They are being produced to make money.
However, it is the tantalizing prospect (to her most ardent supporters) that she may run is what is making cash registers ring.
Sarah Palin makes money from a small and highly specialized market that is motivated by the enchanting possibility that she will run.
Once it is clear that she will not, the the party ends. So she is determined to make as much money (and to be seen as possibly running for prez) as she can until the eve of the Iowa caucuses.

2. Despite her abysmal poll standing and the clear and fully documented fact that she is not a serious politician or person, she remains in the public eye because she is outstanding popular with the one small segment of the marketplace which counts -- disenchanted white males.
Note from the above that women are skeptical of Palin. Note that she is not popular with nonwhite groups.
Ergo, she's popular with the same demographic that fueling the tea-party movement and making record purchases at the nation's gun shops.
This accounts for her mysterious ability to be broadly unpopular and to have done so little, but still garner so much attention.

Oh, can you just imagine if she DOES run again? We'd get to see her ALL of her major gaffes over and over and over again! And Tina Fey would be back! And remember that fake phone call from the French president? And the Katie Couric interview? HA HA HA HA. Yep, this woman is definitely a joke.

She quit her job because there were so many charges of corruption against her. Where was the angry backlash against her leaving? If she ever does run again, there is plenty of information that has yet to surface involving ineptitude, careless spending of Federal taxpayer money, pandering, and influence-peddling. Bring it on, Sarah. We enjoy learning more about you every day.

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TO ALL THE LIES THAT YOU POSTED --> exactly the reason she has assembled a team of lawyers to bring lawsuits AGAINST the people for libel...

that has just begun....we'll see how dumb she is when she starts winning the lawsuits and discredits the people spreading the lies....

BTW: she had an 85% approval rating in her state and NEVER VOTED PRESENT...

You poll base if you have a random sample is going to have more Dmeocrats than republicons because there are way more Democrats than republicons. Duh. So that makes it a defacto given that if Democrats don't like her her poll numbers would show that because that is indicitive of the population.

I want to know how on Gods green earth there are more than three people, outside asylums and gop headquarters (fox news) who really think she could run anything? She couldn't even run Alaska. Alaska has a population roughly equivemalt to that of Scranton PA. Look it up - that is not hyperbole. And look that up too if you are a fox viewer.

Alaska has the unique problem of almost always havein TOO MUCH MONEY. They get it from us in the lower 48 by way of oil revenues and hand outs from the federal government. Again -- look it up. This year is the first time in decades that Alaska had a real problem because oil revenuas down and because ted stevens is not in congress direccting billions in hand outs from the lower 48 - and then from primarily us Blue states who tend to subsidize the backward hicks in red statres - the ones who rant about big government while cashing their welfare checks going to government jobs and using government provided infrastructure that makes teir states inhabitable-- and barbies response was to quit and go pimp herself. Are you trogs really that simple minded? Are you that secks starved that you see the slouty librarian and what little brains you have fall directly into your shorts?

SO -- enough covering this cloth eared bint. She is nobody. She is a tramp with a lucky streak. I am sick of seeing the make up smeared empty sphere that tops her neck.

The article states: "Overall, 52 percent of those polled say they see Palin in unfavorable terms, but among Republicans, her positive rating soars to 76 percent. Nearly two-thirds of all white evangelical Protestants hold favorable views of her."

Those numbers simply PROVE that 2/3 of evangelical Protestants are STUPID, and 76% of Republicans have no idea what they are talking about.

Palin would embarrass herself by running. She couldn't even complete her term as governor, her daughter had a baby out out of wedlock, her own marriage is on the rocks and as always, she can't put a coherent thought together. I want to see her and Lou Dobbs slug it out for the nomination. Fun stuff!

She's going to make a lot of money, fleecing her bovine ignorant followers. That's okay -- any hicks who think that it would be great to have a down home ignorant hick just like themselves in the White House deserve to be fleeced. I speak with authority. I'm a hick in a rural county and I'm surrounded by others, none of whom I'd trust to be an usher at the White House.

What will forever be the central event in her story is the incredibly cynical, stupid stunt that McCain performed in choosing her. A stunt. An attention getter. A way to "turn his campaign around" for about five minutes -- until the press and the world discovered what a truly uninformed, religious nutcase and yes, really lousy mother she is. What was McCain thinking?

We'll never know, because that deeply embarrassed and flawed Senator simply won't cop to his incredible error. Did he really believe that a skirt --- ANY skirt -- was the key to victory? As a woman, I was insulted and continue to be.

Palin isn't going to run for any office. She already has the money and recognition she needs, without the hassle of a hostile legacy news media out to destroy her.
That being said ... does the liberal media EVER think for themselves? Or do they just shill and pile on for the latest fad of the day?
I mean, statistically speaking, Bush HAD to have done something right, even if only by chance. There always is anomalous data in any scientific theory, where is it ever reported for global warming?
No wonder folks turn to the internet.
Posted by: oracle2world | November 16, 2009 8:26 AM

LOL…well, that sums it up. Why would anyone run for public office? Money and adulation. To get rich. To be a big star. And Sarah already has all that so she doesn’t need anything like actual service or responsibility. And that terrible hostile media…bad bad bad. They’d make her so unhappy. They’d watch her closely. They’d ask her questions.

And you, oracle…no wonder she’ your gal pal. You know nothing at all about the opinion you hold, but you hold them anyway. Your media tell you what to think and you think it, so you leap to your conclusions about all manner of things…energy…economics…hey, it’s perfect that you have Sarah to worship. That babe’s dimmer than a five watt bulb, but she’s pretty and aggressive and vindictive, so she makes you feel great about yourself.

Meet the new conservatives. Their candidates don’t run, don’t get elected, and don’t serve. They just look good and get rich.

She ain't gonna run in 2012. She'll never make it and she knows it. This is all about money. Come on. She stepped down as governor for crying out loud. The 'writing' of this book is nothing more than the inevitable response to the 'writing on the wall'.

Look. Sarah Palin is--just as David Brooks described her yesterday on Stephanopoulos show--a joke. The fact that 76% of republicans wildly support her does not diminish the fact that she would be a disaster for not only republicans for decades to come, but also for our country.

Look what 8 years of George W. Bush applying the same philosophy Palin believes in has done to us. And that philosophy is easily summed up by the phrase "starve the beast". The ludicrous assumption is that if you keep denyiong the government funding through tax cuts, they will eventually have to cut spending.
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I would vote for Bin Laden be4 Palin as president. At least he seems to know hos basic geography.

If Palin were a male of any gender, that spoke as she does, looked as dumb as she did with Katie, blamed the media and everyone else for her loss, quit her elected role, came across as a sore loser as she does, seemed to crave media attention that doesn't end, with babydaddy/momma family drama, she would be called a few choice words.

If she interviewed for a job knowing what we do now about her, she'd only get it through connections or sex.

I mean, statistically speaking, Bush HAD to have done something right, even if only by chance. There always is anomalous data in any scientific theory, where is it ever reported for global warming?

Posted by: oracle2world | November 16, 2009 8:26 AM
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Quite right. Insofar as I am concerned, nominating John Roberts for Chief Justice of the Supreme Court was brilliant. I assume it was because Cheney had nothing to do with it.

Palin on the other hand has business experience, been a mayor and a governor. She doesn't string together gibberish with ease
Posted by: JoeDBrown | November 16, 2009 8:56 AM

….LOL… Of course she doesn’t..
"Well, let's see. There's ― of course in the great history of America there have been rulings that there's never going to be absolute consensus by every American, and there are those issues, again, like Roe v. Wade, where I believe are best held on a state level and addressed there. So, you know, going through the history of America, there would be others but ―" --Sarah Palin, unable to name a Supreme Court decision she disagreed with other than Roe vs. Wade, interview with Katie Couric, CBS News, Oct. 1, 2008

Notice one thing about all of the neurotic anti-Palin posters. None of them can tell us how the "empty suit" or the "hair plug are better qualified. Neither have any real life accomplishments. They are just run of the mill political payrollers and frauds.

Obama took more money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac then anyone except Dodd. Biden has been wrong on every foreign policy question in modern times. He also has routinely used campaign funds for personal expenses. By the way "Amtrak Joe" has never actually paid for a train ride himself.

Come on now tell us about Barry's great life accomplishments. Tell us why his college and law school grades, applications and travel records are secret. Tell us about Joe's great record and achievements. We know Bush's and Kerry's. We know Palin's.

Come on these are the great men and paragons of virtue you support. Their great light will put Palin in the shade. It should be easy. No, like the nasty, little, reality denying, creatures you are, you will just attack a decent woman because she dares to oppose the loony left agenda.

all she is doing right now is playing "who wants to be a millionaire" and she is winning. there is no need to run for president unless a run for president is profitable. I see a show on FOX in her future.

Flame wars result in zero solutions, folks. Today gold is at the highest price ever ($1129.50/ troy oz.) and that is a sign of the trouble our nation is in, since we owe trillions to Asians. Yet 8 years ago Clinton left a balanced budget with a $200+ Billion surplus and Wall Street had research pieces talking about the negative side of a disappearing Treasury bond inventory due to the Clinton initiated glide path toward paying down the accumulated US deficit. Then Bush arrived and in a stroke destroyed it all.

It's real simple: The G-O-pee under Cheney-Bush wanted to prove Grover Norquist correct by "starving the beast" and showing that government doesn't work. So they bankrupted the government and empowered the most incompetent, and perverters of Jesus' teaching, by bringing know-nothings from their part and Regents University to destroy the government from the inside. So today we are now at $12 trillion in Federal debt, and rising rapidly. So Obama is supposed to correct this historic flood of problems in just 8 months with the party of NOPE opposing everything he proposes?

And Sarah, the excellent (?) mother, manager and Governor - the one who took per diem for staying at home to work - is the one to get us out of this mess? Please...

Palin in 2012? This Democrat says "Darn right. You betcha." She was God's gift to the Democratic ticket in 2008, and having bailed on her job, she'll appear even less experienced in 2012. She'll also look like a quitter. Rather than a reasoned, analytical memoir, it appears that she's written a "get-even" book; that shows lack of intellectual maturity.

Notice one thing about all of the neurotic anti-Palin posters. None of them can tell us how the "empty suit" or the "hair plug are better qualified. Neither have any real life accomplishments. They are just run of the mill political payrollers and frauds.

Obama took more money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac then anyone except Dodd. Biden has been wrong on every foreign policy question in modern times. He also has routinely used campaign funds for personal expenses. By the way "Amtrak Joe" has never actually paid for a train ride himself.

Come on now tell us about Barry's great life accomplishments. Tell us why his college and law school grades, applications and travel records are secret. Tell us about Joe's great record and achievements. We know Bush's and Kerry's. We know Palin's.

Come on these are the great men and paragons of virtue you support. Their great light will put Palin in the shade. It should be easy. No, like the nasty, little, reality denying, creatures you are, you will just attack a decent woman because she dares to oppose the loony left agenda.

Prove me wrong I dare you.

Posted by: JoeDBrown | November 16, 2009 10:13 AM

I talk with the dead. I have a summer house on Mars. I’m a general in the Navy. I fly by the strength of my mind. I eat dinosaurs. Palin in 2012.

How about that photo of Obama bending at the hips , bowing to Japan's emporer on Saturday? No U.S. President ever bowed to another dignatary in history - until now. But, perhaps he was simply leaning down because the emporer is shorter than the High One...

Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it. Search "know nothing party" to find out what I am talking about, and what platform Sarah is really coming from. Anyone who believes they have the one true religion is a danger to advanced society. Perhaps we should ban evangelicals from office for their inherent church-state conflict, just like they used to pin on Catholics. Oh the irony.

"None of them can tell us how the "empty suit" or the "hair plug are better qualified."
Ummm.... Let's start with a COLLEGE DIPLOMA from a REAL SCHOOL.
Follow that up with IQ GREATER THAN A CARIBOU.
Posted by: TOMHERE | November 16, 2009 10:18 AM
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The first elitist, name calling, "intellectual" is heard from. Gee, I thought the left wanted a meritocracy and a classless society. Notice no real accomplishments for Barry and Joe are given.

Ask yourself these questions my friend:

How many Harvard, Yale, Princeton etc. pinheads were involved in the latest economic collapse at every level?

How many of the same type have been involved in our foreign policy establishment and how has that worked out for us?

I think some fresh folks from the University of Idaho, the U of Alabama or the Fargo community college might be a welcome change. They can't do any worse.

How about that photo of Obama bending at the hips , bowing to Japan's emporer on Saturday? No U.S. President ever bowed to another dignatary in history - until now. But, perhaps he was simply leaning down because the emporer is shorter than the High One...

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Yes, respect for other world leaders is just horrible, isn't it? They should bow before us, not us them. OMG, the horror, the horror of good manners....

Why don't we see it for what it is? Madam Palin is trying to get paid. How much was the advance?
No one takes Madam Palin as a serious contender---well may be the fringe element on the right.
All creditable commentators on the issue like Colin Powell and others state that Palin is a lightweight who is not very well read and is in over her head. Its just the Obama detractors who feel that Palin could motivate the ultra rightwing.
But within the Republican Party itself they are cringing. They know that they cant win with Palin-- she is too polarizing a figure.Plus is she prepared to really answer why she walked away from the Alaskaian Governorship after jus two years?
If you look at where her support did not come from--None of the Big Name Republican women wanted to be seen anywhere near Palin--Kay Bailey, Olimpia Snow, Susan Collins, Lizzie Dole all ran awaay from her Her. Her support is not coming from mainstream Republicans a group that she much have in order to win---BUT in her book, from the commentary I have read , these are the very people she is attacting.
In Politics -American Style - One has to be able to raise money lots of it--you can't pi----off the very people that you will have to have to become a creditable canidate. {Palin is not so dumb that she can't understand that but if you are trying to "Get Paid" whats the Hell.

I think it is pretty funny the jealousy alot of these comments have for Sarah, maybe if she was a butox queen, things would be different.
The only thing I am disappointed in, is that she is going to appear with Oprah, I can't stand that racist person.

jameschirico wrote:
The GOP has gone from the brilliance of an Ike that put America first, the paranoid Nixon smart enough to get us out of VietNam and pushing nat'l healthcare financed by windfall profit taxes on de-regulated oil, or the too late to fix voodoo economics Bush41, that had the world pay for and participate in Desert Storm. Today your have people that hold up the Constitution quoting from the preamble to only say lines from the Declaration of Independence. You have the Inoye types global warming is myth, creationists like Palin, various race baiters, Bachmann & Foxx lunacies, Hastert's assistant that informed of Foley by Rove's truth squad kept the 100% voting GOP in office. along with various adulterers Gingrich leading that bunch. After letting insurers emempt pre-existing in their healthcare bill, I am surprised they are above 20% in the polls. Funny how a sane voice of reason like Lugar's is drowned out by the drum of neocon thought. Joe Scarborough today said although he disagrees with Dean, he respects his intelligence over Sarah Palin's. Buckley and Powell both said she is not ready for prime time costing big at the polls. She did the GOP no favors in pushing the unqualified (did not know local issues) losing NY23 for the first time in a century.

I SINCERELY hope that Sarah Palin is the RepubliKKKan/KKKonservative for 2012 for two reasons:
First, the world's gonna end anyway and her election would be like icing on the cake.
Second,the world's gonna end anyway.

I won't buy this book but if she published one called "GOING NUDE", I'd consider it.

How about that photo of Obama bending at the hips , bowing to Japan's emporer on Saturday? No U.S. President ever bowed to another dignatary in history - until now. But, perhaps he was simply leaning down because the emporer is shorter than the High One...

Posted by: jahoby | November 16, 2009 10:29 AM

Bush not only bent over for the Saudis, he held their hands, kissed their cheeks and their asses. BushCo holds their money in the same place as the Saudi Royal Family (fact); the Carlyle Group, who invest in bombs and Halliburton (now located in Dubai). Obama shows respect to a foreign dignitary and the Know Nothing's heads explode.

Palin will never win any office, not even dog catcher. Her qualities as a leader and her questionable knowlege of anything important were demonstrated in the 2008 campaign. I would be an uphill climb to change people's views having seen her first hand making some really stupid remarks. She would have to study, learn, understand, research, etc. Her past does not include intellectual interests so I doubt she would take the time to do these necessary things considering that co-writing a book in a few months has made her millions. If she wanted to follow a political path she never would have resigned as governor. Her silence on a 2012 run is simply her way of staying relevant and in the news so she can continue to sell her book. Had she said she has no intention of running no one would care a lick about this woman who can't even manage her own family or apparantly being governor.

If she ever did decide to run she could not be kept under wraps like before. She would actually have to answer questions and debate republicans in the primary, something she has not faced before. Even with the current lackluster GOP list of candidates they would tear her apart. The woman has no chance because all she has in beauty queen (almost) talent, and that can only take you so far. She's about as interesting a candidate Eddie the Eagle was as a ski jumper at the 1988 Olympics, someone who is way out of their league but out there anyway catching our interest. I had thought she might act as a fundraiser, eventually getting an ambassadorship or other appointment, but considering how republican candidates last month asked her to stay away shows she is not just unelectable, she is poisonous to the GOP.

We the American public can't look away from a fool who so willingly tries to be what they are not and smiles and winks as they make a fool out of themselves, blaming everyone else when her shortcomings are exposed. And interesting character with asperations rooted in fiction, and that is all.

How can anyone ask if she is qualified to serve as president after what we now know we have in the White House. It is to bad she wasn't the one running against the Community Organizer, because we may have had a different result.

The first elitist, name calling, "intellectual" is heard from. Gee, I thought the left wanted a meritocracy and a classless society. Notice no real accomplishments for Barry and Joe are given.
Ask yourself these questions my friend:
How many Harvard, Yale, Princeton etc. pinheads were involved in the latest economic collapse at every level?
How many of the same type have been involved in our foreign policy establishment and how has that worked out for us?
I think some fresh folks from the University of Idaho, the U of Alabama or the Fargo community college might be a welcome change. They can't do any worse.
I am still waiting to see Barry's grades.
Posted by: JoeDBrown | November 16, 2009 10:31 AM

How about that photo of Obama bending at the hips , bowing to Japan's emporer on Saturday? No U.S. President ever bowed to another dignatary in history - until now. But, perhaps he was simply leaning down because the emporer is shorter than the High One...

"None of them can tell us how the "empty suit" or the "hair plug are better qualified."
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Ummm.... Let's start with a COLLEGE DIPLOMA from a REAL SCHOOL.
Follow that up with IQ GREATER THAN A CARIBOU.
Posted by: TOMHERE
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The first elitist, name calling, "intellectual" is heard from.
I am still waiting to see Barry's grades...

Posted by: JoeDBrown
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Joe, read your own post. The guy you say is "name calling" is responding to a crude post from a conservative. You conservatives like to keep bad manners and rudeness to yourselves. I say, let conservatives be crude and take the high road, but surely you can understand (conservatives ESPECIALLY should understand) that people are likely to respond in kind when insulted.

Here's what decency looks like. Your last line could read, "I'm still waiting to see President Obama's grades."

When Katie Couric politely asked Ms. Palin what magazines or newspapers she regularly read, Palin's only response was a blank stare. She could not even come up with a plausible bit of deception such as, "I'm very busy, so I have my staff send me summaries of the day's events from various web sites." That's the one thing that proved to me the woman was unqualified to be vice-president and, therefore, unqualified to be president. She doesn't read. And she doesn't know how to fake the fact that she doesn't.

The only thing I am disappointed in, is that she is going to appear with Oprah, I can't stand that racist person.

Posted by: highwaybluesoccer | November 16, 2009 10:37 AM

I guess now if you promote diversity you are racists against whites for not promoting white power? So let me get this straight; educated rainbow audience (racist), all white audience literally toting guns and celebrating chromosome damage as a way to get rid of "liberal thinkers" (not racist); even though they usually use the word "uppity" followed by the "N" word when referring to the president they do not acknowledge.

Notice one thing about all of the Palinites: they can't engage legitimate criticism about caribou barbie (ill-informed; ill-spoken; quitter;) except by telling us why they Don't Like Barry.
C'mon: You like her cause she's got the same contempt for intellect that made Georgieboy such a great and effective world leader.
Why not just SAY "I like stupid people who like stupid people", and leave the (grew up poor and used his brain to get ahead) current President of the United States, Barack Hussein Obama, out of it?

Post Turtle [pohst tur-tl]
–noun
1. A turtle found on top of a fence post. It catches the interests of simple people. The turtle cannot do anything useful while up on the post. The people who put the turtle on the post are of questionable intelligence.
2) A candidate who cannot function once elected, quits elected leadership positions out of frustration and relies on people of questionable intelligence to get elected posts. Compare: Sarah Palin (def. 1).

What a joke. The woman is on a book tour.
The liberals are taking every opportunity to spew hate and lies against a woman not running for any office or in office.
Meantime their messiah and cast of clowns, Reid and Pelosi, are fast approaching Palin's numbers or even lower.
All their liberals will have left come 2010 and 2012 is their deranged hate syndrome against a woman. Their 20% of the population will try as hard as they TRY can to stir up hate against anyone not like them.

Here's what decency looks like. Your last line could read, "I'm still waiting to see President Obama's grades."

Posted by: arancia12 | November 16, 2009 10:46 AM
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I am from Chicago. I know what he is. I don't respect him or any of his rotten, political tribe. Why do you?

Tell me his accomplishments that make him more qualified than Palin. I am still waiting for someone to tell me Barry's and Joe's life accomplishments that give them greater credibility than Palin an actual business woman, mayor and governor.

Come on all of you ivy league graduates can do it can't you? After all your better then us.

Although I am against Palin leading or her ideas enacted, I do give her credit for making the most of what she does possess. Her quitting as governor was a wise decision, not paying any more to defend ethics charges spending 1/10th the time to make at least 50 times the coin. The thin slice of 5% of Americans viewing Fox that support her are more than enough for her reap millions with her book, Oprah appearances and speech giving. Even Levi without jobs skills is cashing out on his 15 minutes of fame. I hope they make enough for Levi to support his daughter and for Palin to retire a rich gal.

'the argument that Sarah Palin in not qualified doesn't make sense. She has more experience than our current President, and she had a shining record in Alaska up until she accepted the Vice Presidential nomination. At the time of her acceptance she had a 90% approval rating by both parties.'
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Alaska, you mean the state with the highest Crystal Meth use and the highest alcoholism in the country? The state that she governed for two years before quitting?

The only job she is qualified for is to host a Beck like talk show on Fox. Where the 75% of right wing tea birthers would lap her up.

In the real world though I'd love to see a Palin/Prejean 2012 ticket. Just think, two former beauty queens, both born again fakes, who preach how others should live, when they do as they please. Plus think of the sex tapes they could do together.

An 11-year-old boy killed a bear at point-blank range last Wednesday night after it wouldn't leave his family's porch.
The bear was last seen bending over to a panda that was aparently shorter than he.

And one other thing: Her oopsie-doodle relationship with the truth seems to be in high relief in her book. She complains about the McCain treatment of her kids and their serious problems --- especially the pregnant daughter whose boyfriend we have seen all too much of recently. She says that the campaign and the subsequent press coverage wasn't sensitive enough.

As a parent, I was appalled that she would even consider running for national office when her family up there in Alaska was falling apart. OF COURSE her kids would be issues. She's 0-for-2 in getting her kids through high school. The oldest, a drug user, was sent off to war at 18 - presumably to get him out of the limelight.

The pregnant drop-out was dragged around the country, put on display. At a time in her life when she needed wise parenting more than anything else on earth, she was made into a prop - by her OWN MOTHER.

No decent parent would have even considered doing such a thing. It is outrageous that she blames the suffering of her kids on others.

Taking too much anal gesic? I have a higher approval rating than President Obama. Those who are actually doing something always suffer the slings and arrows of public opinion.

Were the delightful Mrs. Palin to actually DO something, she too will suffer from approval dysfunction. In the meantime, as long as she stays away from real interviewers by hiding behind Facebook and not allowing reporters into her speeches and rallys she will continue to be a pop star. That and wearing those killer stoplight red peep-toe, slingback, wedgies...

Ummm.... Let's start with a COLLEGE DIPLOMA from a REAL SCHOOL.
Follow that up with IQ GREATER THAN A CARIBOU.
Posted by: TOMHERE
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The first elitist, name calling, "intellectual" is heard from.
I am still waiting to see Barry's grades...

Posted by: JoeDBrown

I'd settle for a real birth certificate!

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Here we have a great example of merging birthers with people who think Harvard Law is for idiots and community college is for the really smart moms who don't have the time to study for their SATs. Barry was elected president of Harvard Law Review by his peers as one of the smartest people on campus and they want to see his grades? Didn't Bush 43 have a "C" average? Do they really want to talk about grades? Gives some perspective as to how truly delusional anyone who still calls themselves "republican".

1) Diplomas are handed out at High School; degrees are confider upon college graduates.

2) I am pretty sure Harvard is a real school and has more qualified teachers than the community college Sarah took ten years to graduate from with a 2 year degree.

She said it: "I'll get back to ya." and she did! Not with any facts, mind you. Just a $9.00 book (free with a Newsmax subscription if you want to waste more trees) that crazies will buy to say they read it...which most of them can't. Others might read it just to see what she said. The NY Times did read it and essentially said it wasn't worth their time nor yours. But...Simon & Schuster is owned by Rupe Murdoch so, why not keep the pot boiling???

The fact that she finished writing it is in itself, amazing (okay, she had help with the last 5 chapters). First thing she's finished in a long time! Is the story done? Well, as the younger female incarnation of Fred Thompson, I'm guessing so. And remember how well he did? Killed his acting career, too.

She's like a car accident you see on the side of the road; you slow down to look, glad it doesn't involve you and then drive on with all those behind you honking...impatient to see the other guy's wreck before they drive on, too.

Yeah OK I'm one of those white evangelicals, but a Palin presidency is a joke. She's been in the lower 48's public eye for 18 months and what do we know about her positions on important issues? That she's thin-skinned!
What you see is what you get, and with Palin what we've gotten is vitriol about her critics. Wait, we already have that with Bammer.
What reason would anyone have to vote for her?

To JoeDBrown: His accomplishments are many but here's one you can't dispute, Pakistan has gone after the terrorists in Swat and S. Waziristan since he became president. Stick that in your tin foil hat.

This is all very amusing. I have to think that ANALgesic (a revealing bloghandle) and JoeDBrown are both homeschooled. Only in such an environment can you get the sort of "education" they are demonstraing with their knucklehead claptrap about birth certificates and college grade. I mean come on morons--they guy graduated from Harvard, praciced law, so he must have bassed the bar. How many of you right wing spittle dripping morons have done that?

You blowhards remind me of that addled old faht at McCain's rally who yelped: "AH'MMM REALLY REALLY MAD!" as though somehow that made him right. Like you and like that reeking old Simpson cat lady lookalike bag who looked like she combed her hair with an IED and called Obama an "Arab", you people are a joke! Just as David Brooks--a serious grownup republican says about the hapless airhead Palin.

please sarah run.... we progressives need you to put the final nails in the gop coffin lid. this woman is simply not very btight and has shown while briefly in office that she has no clue as to ethical responsibility nor even enjoys the job itself. she quits after 2 yrs and thinks she can get back into the mix at a higher level? might as well hire joe the plumber to round out her ticket. at least he has some work background.

It befuddles me to read that people want or think that S.P. should be President. Being Prez is not a "personality contest" it is serious business. the fact that President Obama is popular is a sidebar compared to his intellect and ability to think and make comprehensive thoughtful decisions. Palin is all about sound bites and talking points and winking and could and would never be taken seriously. It is time for Americans to stop thinking of what's best for their own self-interest and think of what's best for America and her place in the world. NO Palin.. Never...

Ah, once again the Palinite commentors get the chance to talk about how "afraid" the libruls are of Saint Sarah, regular gal who is true Presidential material. What a laugh. I can't speak for anyone else but what comes to mind when I see or hear Palin is contempt, not fear. Contempt for the fact that this uneducated, shallow, uninformed, incurious, "regular gal" and her followers are actually naive enough to think she has the gravitas to be President of the United States. Bush had Cheney to run the first term for him, who would Palin get, Lobbyin' Dick Armey?

I never, never knew there were this many idiots in this country. Anyone who even entertains the idea that Sarah Palin would ever sit in the Oval Office is braindead. And that includes the cable news programs, who open their TV shows with this stupid line: ''Is Sarah Palin positioning herself for a White House run?'' Stupid question, that. Which is why I will spend Sarah Palin Week reading Stephen King's new 1000 + page book, which just like Palin's, is a work of fiction. Sorry Mr. King, I would never compare your intellect with that of a potted plant.

Posted by: jahoby | November 16, 2009 10:52 AM
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Birther-the intellectual base of the Republican Tea Party not to be confused with the Boston Tea Party where real Patriots were fighting against taxation WITHOUT representation. The Tea partiers are fighting against not having enough votes to get elected-BIG DIFFERENCE!

Funny how a sane voice of reason like Lugar's is drowned out by the drum of neocon thought.
Posted by: jameschirico | November 16, 2009 10:38 AM
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Yes, it shows how far the Old Party has fallen since the days of Ike. Who else is anywhere close to Lugar these days? No one that I can think of. I wonder how long Rush will allow him to stay?

I remember saying all sorts of bad things about Saddam Hussein a few years ago.

Does that mean I'm afraid he'll run for and win the presidency?

You morons who think the ugly noise coming out of the liberal's mouths about Palin is a sign they're afraid of her ... man, are you stupid.

They're begging you to run her, they can't wait. Can't you see this?

I would truly love to see a decent republican candidate in 2012, if you fools think Sarah Palin is the one ... then you're going to lose. And we won't have anybody but you to blame for 4 more years of this current guy ... what's his name.

Fate1;
I wasted my time checking the references you cited. I wouldn't have a problem with the president bowing to the pope. Also, that photo of Pres. Bush 'kissing' the sheik is obviously photo-shop edited. give me a break, partisan (or is it comrade?).

I ask all of the Sarah fans to tell us, or to envision for us of other visions, what the US would become if Palin's and your dreams became empowered and put in place. Just tell us what your slogans, beliefs, solutions and all would be like. Just set out what life would be like in Sarah/your/FOXX Party vision. Just tell it straight, no justifications, just give us your vision and how it would work. Then we can go from there and have an interesting discussion of the pros and cons, and lots of exchange. The FOXX vision is vague at this point, with us others feeling your ideas and comments are mostly unhappiness and attacks on disbelievers, not about your vision. Please, and with respect. Now talk, please.

Any liberals see the YouTube video of Hillary "remembering clearly" coming under sniper fire?

I mean, this was clearly fantasy, completely made up. And there was absolutely no doubt what Hillary said VERY emphatically in the video.

And she was considered a slam dunk for president?

WTF?

Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh exist simply by pointing out how the same event is reported with a different slant depending on the person involved. That is their sole schtick. They are entertainers and make fun of liberal hypocrisy in an entertaining way.

Sara Palin is always shown stupid but Biden gets a complete pass for plagarism. I would say stealing someone else's work and pretending to be smart is a lot worse sin.

If the legacy news media dislikes Sara Palin, that is their constitutional right. Making up ridiculous reasons for their dislike is not needed.

President Barack Obama’s bows to the Japanese emperor Saturday — following his bow to the Saudi Arabian monarch in April — is creating a humiliating new precedent. Until Obama, no president of the United States in the more than 230 years since the country was founded in 1776 had ever bowed to a member of royalty.

Jahoby: Unfortunately there is ample videotape of President Geo W. Bush walking and holding hands with Saudis. And on various occasions and visits.
It is a sign of friendship, not of cow towing or homosexuality or acquiescence. But you probably have never been to or lived in the Middle East. I defend W on this matter, even if I didn't like W or Cheney. There are cultural customs in various places, and you might consider that it is polite to observe them when there. Men in many countries kiss on the cheek. So what. And many US Presidents and diplomats over the centuries have bowed to their counterparts out of respect.

That says about all you need to know about this poll. Those organizations are objective and trustworthy. Right. Che and Stalin would poll well for these guys.

I also have to laugh when I see anyone on the left questioning Palin's qualifications to be president. Compared to who?

Barack "the empty suit" Obama or Joe "the gaffe machine" Biden? Neither one of them have had a non-political job as adults. They both have obtained "special" mortgages from big, TARP rich banks. Joe in fact has gotten 29 "special" mortgages according to the NYT's. Neither of them have any military, business, management, administrative or foreign policy experience. Neither have any significant legal experience, no opinions or scolarly works. Nada. They are by any fair measure non-entities. Maybe under normal circumstances Obama would have achieved the august rank of Chicago alderman before going to Federal prison as is our tradition in Chicago. No. Thanks to 50 years of dumbed down public school education, an in-the-tank media and far left lunacy he is in the White House. A slicker, better spoken Roland Burris, a front man for the Daley machine.

Palin on the other hand has business experience, been a mayor and a governor. She doesn't string together gibberish with ease and is uncomfortable with an intrusive and corrupt media. In short she reacts like any normal, decent person would.

Liberals, on the other hand,seem to take the ability to glibbly string together airy phrases, lies, half truths and platitudes for a sycophantic media (oooh, my leg is tingling),while doing the opposite, as a sign of presidential timber.

Intelligent, sane people don't. We just call them the bums, crooks and liars they are. Is that why the left is so obviously afraid of beautiful, accomplished, tough and sane Sarah? Add a large dash of misogyny and you've got it.

Hopium Dopium Nitwits

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Dear JoeDBrown .. Your impotence is showing. Please wander off and diddle yourself over that photoshopped gun-toting picture of Sarah Palin in a patriotic bikini. You are just embarassing yourself here. If JoeDBrown is the best the Repubican party has then they are in worse trouble than I thought.

Palin could easily end up with the nomination. Look what happened to the DEMs in VA this year; the two candidates qualified to carry the Warner-Kaine mantle divided the vote in the primary and the bumpkin ended up w/ the nomination.

I knew plenty of moderate Republicans and Independents who were prepared to vote for McCain over Obama(and I would have considered it myself until he started playing to "the base") then McCain picked Palin and people just started shaking their heads in amazement. They voted Obama or stayed home. So years later, after Palin has quit her job as Governor in mid-term to cash in by writing a whining, self-justifying, "blame game" book, suddenly moderate Republicans and Independents are going to consider her qualified to be President of the U.S.? You tea-partying Palinites are living in a fantasy world. You are part of what ails America.

The right is all aquiver this morning about Obama's bow. "The President never bows!" they boom nationalistically. How uttrely silly and typical of the right wing macho mentlity.

Who says the President never bows? It is a gesture of courtesy you f#*king stupid morons! Ike did it. JFK did it. Bush even planted a big smoochy on the Emir of Kuwait! But, the point is nowhere in any of our founding docuements, nowhere in any of our diplomatic formal codes does it say that the President never bows!

What if the Premier of Okhotsk had some obscure code that says he cannot look up to the President of the United States but must alweays be in a position to look down upon him, and he came here for a state visit. Do you think he would tolerate such a silly ritualistic nonsensical rule to prevent him from simply being courteous and shaking hands with the President.

Look. Whenever Obama does anything, or says anything, or goes anywhere, this silly, banal little group of odfdballs and malcontents on the right are looking for anything--anything!--they can smudge his character with.

You want to know the truth. The country is getting sick of you addled, idiotic, jealous, envious, sore loser morons to the point that just maybe they will soon turn on you and give you a little taste of the outright crap you have been peddling.

You have got to be the silliest, most asinine bunch I have ever had the misfortune to encounter. Just go away. America needs to take a shower!

Wow; thank you jameschirico for putting this whole thing into focus. It is supposed to be about defeating those who attached us. Who has shown more results in shorter time? Just the facts people.

To JoeDBrown: His accomplishments are many but here's one you can't dispute, Pakistan has gone after the terrorists in Swat and S. Waziristan since he became president. Stick that in your tin foil hat.

Posted by: jameschirico | November 16, 2009 11:07 AM

As a veteran with friends still out there and who depends on the VA for health care, can anyone still postulate that republicans are better for veterans? Obama has provided a budget for the VA for the first time in 8 years, with more funding than they asked for; fact! BTW; it is one of the most efficient public health care systems in the world; person for person; dollar for dollar, and it is all government ran.

Also, soldiers in the field are getting more and better equipment now that we canceled the F22 and the new presidential helicopter. Bush/Cheney were literally spending billions of tax payer dollars trying to figure out how to cook a meal under nuclear attack on a helicopter (They are called MREs and are fed to soldiers every day! Try placing a couple of cases in the rear to save a couple of billion.) at the same time soldiers in the war zone did not have body armor or up-armored HUMVEES, let along MRAPS; literal facts.

Old veterans of the future will no longer be predominantly racist, misogynistic, knuckle dragging republicans because we can now see the man behind the curtain and we all know that the emperor was wearing no clothes.

jahoby, you don't know your foreign kings very well. That is Bush kissing the king of Saudi Arabia, not a sheik. Shortly after 9/11 he invited the king (then the crown prince) to his ranch where they did in fact kiss and hold hands for an uncomfortably long time. There are plenty of photos and video of this if you care to look it up.

WWII was a long time ago and the current Japanese emprorer was not involved. But for a President to invite the foreign monarch most directly responsible for 9/11 (funding, support, etc) (who do you think built those madrassas all over the world?) to walk on U.S. soil while holding hands with the President, you don't find that the least bit offensive?

And in case you're seriously a provincial local yokel with no knowledge of existence of other cultures different from your own, in Japan bowing is their version of shaking hands. I'm sorry I even have to point that out.

Also, I find the whole Sarah Palin train wreck simply hilarious. I hope her supporters take this as a sign of fear and continue the NY-23 trend.

As you look around you at the political leadership in our country these days - Palin, McCain, Obama, Rush, Boner (so I mis-spelled it), republicans, democrats - do you wonder that we're falling so far behind where we once thought we would be by now?

People defending the schmucks in their party over the well-being of our country - just talking yourself into believing your idiots are better than the other idiots still leaves us with idiots in control.

This is YOUR fault. Stop following these parties, they have you divided arguing on nonsense and you keep falling for it.

Poor Rush. He is sort of like that Dunkin' Donuts guy who got so busy dunking the fdonuts he runs into himslef coming out the door of Dunk' Donuts.

One day Rush is raking Obama as being too arrogant, having a big ego. Wnna bet that this morning he will be charging Obama with being too humble and bowing and scraping to the Japanese Emperor. Rush can't keep up with himself he has so many inconsistent themse about how awful Obama is.

Think about it for a minite. Rush Limbaugh accusing Obama of having an outsized ego? It is like Sarah Palin accusing Joe Biden of being a publicity hound. I guess we all tend to project our own worst foibles onto others.

Top Ten (by Hekle and Jekle):
1. Barack Obama jokes about the disabled on the Jay Leno show. Afterwards, he calls the head of the Special Olympics to apologize.
2. Joe Biden tells a former Senate colleague who addresses him as “Mr Vice-President” to “give me a f—ing break”.
3. Gordon Brown presents the new President with: a pen holder carved from the timbers of HMS Gannett, a sister ship of HMS Resolute; the commissioning certificate of HMS Resolute; and a seven-volume biography of Winston Churchill. In return, the Prime minister gets 25 DVDS, which don’t work in Britain
4. Joe Biden tells his wife that he had the choice of being either Secretary of State or vice-president – an offer that was news to Obama aides and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton when Jill Biden spilled the beans on Oprah.
5. A Marine One double. First, on his maiden Marine One trip Obama breaches protocoland makes life uncomfortable for an enlisted marine by shaking the the serviceman’s hand as he’s saluting his commander-in-chief. Then - Gerald Ford, eat your heart out - Barack Obama bangs his head as he boards his helicopter.
6. Joe Biden jokes about Chief Justice John Roberts fluffing the inauguration oath. The president is visibly annoyed with his veep and Biden later apologizes.
7. Barack Obama mixes up the windows and doors at his new home.
8. Joe Biden forgets the “website number” for the White House internet site designed to show how TARP money is being spent.
9. Barack Obama jokes about Nancy Reagan having séances in the White House. He later called her to apologize after the AP noted that although she had consulted astrologers, “she did not hold conversations with the dead.”
10. Just after he’s been sworn in by him, the newly-minted Vice President Joe Biden gets the name of Justice John Paul Stevens, “one of the great justices” of the Supreme Court, wrong by calling him “Justice Stewart”.

Like accusing progressives of being afraid of Palin...we're not afraid, we're nauseated. That, and we are unnerved that there are MILLIONS of American morons, that actually admire her and thinks she would be a fitting leader for this nation. Admittedly, it did take Obama a whole ten months to pull is back from complete financial collapse, but just imagine if Palin had been at the helm! That, and imagine that ignoramous having the power to send troops- all you military out there- at least our current president cares about whether or not he gets your asssses into more of a bind- But Caribou barbie, thinks your doing the Lord's work, and therefore you are priviliged to be in the vanguard of martyrs- great commander and chief material.

So Bush had to have done something right, by statistical probability. Not if you deliberately pursue a rigid ideology in every cranny of government regardless of the facts and always predicated on who voted for you (hence Miss. getting quick aid when New Orleans was left to drown). And when you were the most corrupt administration ever on a scale that isn't yet understood. Apparently Bush II helped some African countries I'm told; please point to anything else that served the nation's well-being. When someone steals TWO elections you can not expect anything else when they take office. Bush II was an abomination.

Sarah Palin had to quit the governor's office when she did. She had to strike while the iron was hot. Who would remember her next year if she didn't write this book? Who would buy it if she quietly finisher her term - you know, the one she swore to finish - as governor?

Let's not blast Sarah for selling this book, somebody told her she needed to do this now before it's too late and she listened.

Millions of dollars were at stake. Yeah, like you wouldn't do it if the opportunity were yours

Look at all these suckers who think she would make a great president. If they're dumb enough to believe that, they're dumb enough to shell out their beer money for her book ... they can put it on the coffee table and show the other drunks ... I mean white trash .. I mean their fellow conservatives, yeah.

Darn right! Sarah Palin should run for everything, you betcha. Doggone it (wink), she'll get every horny, senile Republican guy to vote for her.
And I, a Democrat, will thank God for the wonderous gift she has given my party.

brattykathyi1: You just about covered all the bases on Sarah Palin. I can't imaging anyone so uninformed and ignorant that they would vote for that nitwit.Palin is a scatterbrain who knows nothing about foreign affairs or how this country works.Just goes to show how stupid the republicans are.The women may be in the majority who won't vote for Palin but many men like me won't vote for her either

The Associated Press assigned 11 writers to "fact-check" Sarah Palin's new book, and in return the 11 fact-checkers triumphantly unearthed six errors. That's 1.8333333 writers for each error.

What earth-shattering misstatements did they uncover for this impressive investment? Stand well back:

PALIN: Says she made frugality a point when traveling on state business as Alaska governor, asking "only" for reasonably priced rooms and not "often" going for the "high-end, robe-and-slippers" hotels.

THE FACTS: Although she usually opted for less-pricey hotels while governor, Palin and daughter Bristol stayed five days and four nights at the $707.29-per-night Essex House luxury hotel (robes and slippers come standard)...
That looks like AP paid 1.8333333 fact-checkers to agree with Mrs Palin: She says she didn't "often" go for "high-end" hotels; they say she "usually opted for less-pricey hotels". That's gonna make one must-see edition of "Point/Counterpoint".

Or is AP arguing "four nights" counts as "often"? Is that the point? AP assigned 11 reporters to demonstrate that four is a large number?

Heckle and Jeckle (cont'd):
11. A verbal slip by Barack Obama , in which he made a reference to "my Muslim faith," unleashed a barrage of Internet attacks last Fall. Obama was -- ironically -- addressing the false rumors that he is Muslim. He suggested that Republican rival John McCain was behind them, according to ABC News.
12. Obama, properly chastened by his blithering suggestion the US should march into Pakistan and destabilize a nuclear power and completely turn the political tables against a needed ally, this Obama thinks the way to appear tough on matters of national security is to call our troops murderers and baby killers?

Top Ten (by Hekle and Jekle):
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Posted by: jahoby
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That's all ya got? How about Bush's top ten, starting with failing to prevent 911, lying about WMD, not caring that WMD were not found, not caring that Osama escaped, not caring that Osama was free while pressing for Hussein's capture, heck of a job Brownie, etc. I could go on and on. Your top ten about Obama don't add up to squat against one Bush mistake. I'll hold off the Palin top ten flubs, but taking an oath to serve then quitting as governor to write a book has to be in that top ten.

Media is not out there to get her; its republicans; she is on their way and they will get her. And that is because as of right now republicans have a chance to gain some power back, but with her, they won't gain anything, after all, they probably lost most of the confidence when she got involved with McCain and with party publicly.
Simply, don't buy her book!!!!

As Walter Shapiro has ably pointed out, Palin will probably be the GOP candidate in 2012 because 2/3 of evangelicals support her. GOP has winner take all primaries so with Huckabee, Romney, Pawlenty splitting the vote, Palin is likely to win in southern states. That is how we got stuck with the crazed nitwit MCCain who has no brain but has a vicious temper.

If her book doesn't sell well enough you can be sure Michael Steele will spam it to everyone via email.

How can she lose? She can write this book without using any polysyllabic words ... none that aren't hyphenated anyway. And those that her ghost writer does choose to use will only show the readership how smart she is.

Man, I wish I had this large a group of suckers to sell crap to ... there is that beachfront property in Nebraska I've been trying to dump ...

Just think ! The President of the United States controls nuclear weapons,is the Commander in Chief, deals with all the countries of the world and sets the strategy for relations with all cultures and people. I've see Palin called a "bimbo", "clueless", "a jerk",and also "unqualified". The only people that support her are those whose opinions I wouldn't believe because they're based on emotion and religion rather than fact.
This person has proven the following:
1. She's a quitter. The first "real" political position she was elected to was too much of a bother to complete when her ambitions perceived a better paycheck.
2. Per #1, her word and oath are worthless.
3. Intellectually, there's nothing there.
4. Government by slogan just doesn't work.

If this (choose a description, above) was ever elected, I predict that the "real" Commander in Chief would be behind the scenes and that scares me more than anything I've read here.

Please stop comparing Palin to Obama. While Obama was president of the Harvard Law Review and working summer internships at two prestigious law firms in Chicago, Palin was pursuing a career as a television sports reporter.

Remember the oath of office of the POTUS says, "...to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States." Obama is clearly more qualified to do that, because he was a constitutional law professor at University of Chicago Law School for 12 years. Palin's experience as third runner-up of the Miss Alaska beauty pageant does not compare.

I think it would be interesting to ask EXACTLY the same questions in a poll conducted by say, um...the Washington Times, the NY Post or some other org that has similar leanings to your paper - but toward the other side of the political spectrum - but instead of asking about Sarah Palin, ask about our current President. I'd be intrigued by the stats, especially on question of qualifications to occupy the office (and he's had the advantage of actually occupying the office for some time).

Many months after the presidential election, we still feel John McCain's terrible mistake by selecting Palin as his running mate, giving her the national name recognition. Hope the GOP pays some attention to the poll results, or they will not occupy the White House for at least 8 more years.

Publishing a book under her name is certainly a fund-raising strategy. But the funds are never going to see the light of a Presidential campaign -- although they may go to Palin's campaign to break Panamanian President Amelda Marcos' record for most pairs of shoes owned.

Any Democrats wishing to ensure Obama's second term in office should each send the maximum allowed contribution to the 'Palin in 2012' campaign. Not that the Republicans are stupid enough to nominate the Sarah Palin/Carrie Prejean ticket. But it will split the base away from any poor sucker who actually does get nominated. Then that base will descend onto that guy for not being "pure" enough.

With a trailer full of kids, why did she elect to have a child after age 40 when year by year the risk of a Down's Syndrome child soars?
Was that decision based on abstinence not working, did she not consider AT ALL that if pregnant,her pro-life beliefs could result in a Down's Syndrome child that she would have to bear?
Why is anyone upset by her political role? She's not possessed with good sense, good judgement or leadership abilities.
Her activities are nothing more than low class theater and Democrats should be trying to see what the KKKonservatives/RepubliKKKans are REALLY doing.

President Barack Obama’s bows to the Japanese emperor Saturday — following his bow to the Saudi Arabian monarch in April — is creating a humiliating new precedent. Until Obama, no president of the United States in the more than 230 years since the country was founded in 1776 had ever bowed to a member of royalty.
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LOL

I know Bush Sr did not bow to the Japanese Emperor, though he did throw up in his lap. Then there was Bushie Jr holding hands with the Saudi prince.

Here we have a great example of merging birthers with people who think Harvard Law is for idiots and community college is for the really smart moms who don't have the time to study for their SATs. Barry was elected president of Harvard Law Review by his peers as one of the smartest people on campus and they want to see his grades? Didn't Bush 43 have a "C" average? Do they really want to talk about grades? Gives some perspective as to how truly delusional anyone who still calls themselves "republican".1) Diplomas are handed out at High School; degrees are confider upon college graduates.2) I am pretty sure Harvard is a real school and has more qualified teachers than the community college Sarah took ten years to graduate from with a 2 year degree.
Posted by: LNevitt23 | November 16, 2009 11:05 AM
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Dear JoeDBrown .. Your impotence is showing. Please wander off and diddle yourself over that photoshopped gun-toting picture of Sarah Palin in a patriotic bikini. You are just embarassing yourself here. If JoeDBrown is the best the Repubican party has then they are in worse trouble than I thought.

Barry went to school. La de da! I am still waiting for someone to tell me his life accomplishments that cause you to support him. All I get is nitwit invective. Could it be that barry really is a non-entity?

Curricula Vitae, Barack Obama:

He was born.
He was abandoned by his father.
He was raised by white women.
His white, banker grandma bought him an education.
He attained political jobs in Chicago due to sponsorship by rich, Lake Shore Drive liberals. It's nice to have a clean, articulate black man at your beck and call.

No military experience.
No business experience.
No supervisory experience.
No management experience.
No administrative experience.
No foreign policy experience.

Legal experience:
Political sinecure at the U of C.
Scholarly works - none.
Notable cases or opinions - none.
Obtained political sinecure for wife at U of C.
Worked at political law firm churning failed public housing projects.
ACORN trainer.

Education grades and applications - secret
Foreign travel - spotty and secret.
Religion - uncertain but member of racist Afro-centric church for 20 years. But he didn't hear any thing.

"But of course it is for details of the McCain campaign that many readers will pick up "Going Rogue," and Mrs. Palin will not disappoint them. She describes in particular how campaign aides muzzled her and mismanaged her family. If anything, she is too gentle on the staffers who kept her out of the loop and under wraps. She is certainly too gentle on the man at the top of the ticket who let them get away with it. She has hardly a critical word to say about John McCain, whose appearances in the book are surprisingly few.

The mistakes started on day one. The McCain communications team had not compiled the usual press-briefing guides, she writes, with the result that the national media had "zero information" on her or her record in Alaska. Moreover, her "family, friends, and political associates were under strict instructions not to talk to the media." She wasn't even allowed to speak to her home-state press, which was very friendly. When one of her aides asked McCain headquarters for permission for her to go to the rear of the campaign plane to talk to reporters, the response was swift: "No! Absolutely not—block her if she tries to go back."

It seems obvious that she felt more qualified to run the campaign than John McCain, so why didn't she bow out?

And it's obvious John McCain didn't give a crap about Mrs. Palin's "record", only how she looked. That should have been a hint to someone as savvy as Mrs. Palin. But she went along and torpedoed his campaign instead.

Way to work together, Reps! Everyone else is to blame except the delightful Mrs. Palin but she didn't have the integrity or chops to bow out of the campaign. A victim of circumstance.

What is also missing from the book that the WSJ fails to note, is a big THANK YOU to John McCain for giving her a national stage. One would think a little gratitude and manners would go a long way...then again we are talking about a party that eats its own.

What's GREAT about Sarah Palin is she exposes her supporters as wing nut, quitting, unethical, ignorant, supporters of an ideological failure. The like form over substance. Ideology over facts. Speeches over action. And control over what happens in the bedrooms of America.

Since they control the Republican Party, the GOP's hopes for a comeback are dim in reality.

The more the left goes after Sarah Palin, the more attractive a candidate she becomes. The issue of experience is an obvious fake one since the clown now occupying the oval office had less and shows it every day. If Palin were the one bowing to the Japanese emperor, the WaPo and its left wing allies would be all over it as a major gaffe. Instead they just recycle Palin stories as some sort of OCD fueled group-think.

Oh, please, Sarah, run for president! Run real hard, you know? I betcha you can win! You know, like, there are a lot of good, simple folks out here just waiting to see you be prez. To prepare, listen a lot to Rush. He's the man, hon. He runs the GOP. They bow to him now; they will bow to you. You get Rush on your side and, wowee, golly, I betcha anything you will be president of the USA. Wink! Wink!

Little Miss Sarah just doesn't get it does she? While she may enjoy a small group of sycophantic followers, most Americans are turned off by her, especially the more they learn. Sarah frequently plays foot loose with the truth, and her book only provides further incriminating evidence. So, I guess we're to believe that everyone else is lying, and everyone in the entire media has it out for her. The facts are just not in her corner. Anyone who's followed her back in Alaska will say the same thing. She lies and she's vindictive. She's a femme fatale who's gotten by on good looks and charm. There is no substance or integrity in this woman. You can only blame the media for so long. Sarah loves playing the victim card, but it looks like her hand has about run out.

He was born.
He was abandoned by his father.
He was raised by white women.
His white, banker grandma bought him an education.
He attained political jobs in Chicago due to sponsorship by rich, Lake Shore Drive liberals. It's nice to have a clean, articulate black man at your beck and call.

No military experience.
No business experience.
No supervisory experience.
No management experience.
No administrative experience.
No foreign policy experience.

Legal experience:
Political sinecure at the U of C.
Scholarly works - none.
Notable cases or opinions - none.
Obtained political sinecure for wife at U of C.
Worked at political law firm churning failed public housing projects.
ACORN trainer.

Education grades and applications - secret
Foreign travel - spotty and secret.
Religion - uncertain but member of racist Afro-centric church for 20 years. But he didn't hear any thing.

So Barry is more qualified than Palin?

Liberalism IS a mental illness.

Posted by: JoeDBrown

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I don't know if conservatism is a mental illness but I sure know JoeDBrown is disturbed.

So how do Mrs. Palin's experiences add up (note I politely call her Mrs. Palin, not some silly juvenile nickname),

No military experience.
Nope. None. She was doing turns on the catwalk in a swimsuit while I was serving overseas.

No business experience.
Please cite what successful business she ran.

No supervisory experience.
Wrong. He organized a community volunteer program. If you've even done that you would know how much supervisory experience it takes. Do you know the what a community organizer is? It's like a small town mayor but you don't get paid. You do it because you care. Please state Mrs. Palin's supervisory experience and why it is any more substantial than President Obama's.

My wife of 47 years, "Q" and I are both life-long, conservative-leaning, moderate-thinking, open-minded, 14th & 13th generation, proud and patriotic Americans of personal and ancestral allegiance to the Grand Old Party that dates to July 1854 and Morgan's Forty outside of Jackson, Mi where "under the oaks" the GOP was founded! I have briefly personally served, worked for and traveled with three Presidents, Gerald R. Ford, Ronald W. Reagan and George H.W. Bush… and I am disappointed in my party and their current foolish behavior…

This Wash Post Poll does not surprise me but scares the hell out of me... at least 60% of America are smart enough to see Simple Sarah in her Andy Warhol 15 minutes of fame and glory for what she is... ABSOLUTELY "NOT QUALIFIED to serve as President" while "38%" are in a fog where they see her as "Qualified" ??? Then carefully note 46% (37 +9) would definitely or possibly consider voting for her... while only 38% see her as qualified. Yet 46% would vote for her ... these folks scare the hell out of me not JUST AS A REPUBLICAN BUT AS AN AMERICAN who gives a damn! 38% are blind and at least 8% are absolute certifiable idiots in the psychiatric sense of the word... they should have their voting rights taken away NOW.

As I predicted to Frank Luntz on the 28th of Jan 2008, while helping to analyze the last Bush St of the Union Address on Hannity and Combs FOX show… Bush ”missed emphasizing the economy and the state of the union would be tanking by fall and the next President had better understand economics and business…” To which Frank said “and who might that be…” my response then and still is “my old but still younger friend Mitt Romney!”

On the October 15th, 2008 FOX TV analysis of the last Presidential debate with Brit Hume and Frank Luntz I proved my Republican allegiance by showing Frank my actual absentee / write-in ballot where I had just then cast it for “W. Mitt Romney for President, and Dr. Ron Paul for Vice President”

So be it for Simple Sarah and John McCain’s misguided attempt at patronizing the female voters… whereby he has caused the Republican Party to totally jump the track of sanity and realty.

Watch for the new symbol of the real Republican Party alternative for the E Pluribus Unum common good for all America and for all American’s first and foremost… “The Elephoenix” to be unveiled very soon… before years end… by the CitizensforRomney.org and read more about the national conscience and where America needs to go at EPUCommonGood.org … all coming real soon!

mr MTwainIII, if Romney decides to run I may vote for him. If he does NOT kiss the christian right butt, I will probably run for him.
If he tells the Palin voters they're a bunch of morons, I will definitely vote for him.

At least he has real executive experience, eh? But sucking on the christian butt is going to cost him more voters than he will gain. I need to know he's smart enough to lead the country, and not just the southern goobers.

Tell him that, will you, the next time you see him? Tell him to ask all of us for our vote, not just the idiots.

(He was abandoned by his father.) She was raised fairly well off, no great issues to overcome.

(He was raised by white women.) She was raised by two white people.

(His white, banker grandma bought him an education.) He worked his way through college getting a law degree, graduating Magna cum Laud, she bounced around and finished a degree in journalism after going through four colleges.

(He attained political jobs in Chicago due to sponsorship by rich, Lake Shore Drive liberals. It's nice to have a clean, articulate black man at your beck and call.) She had a husband to support her, had a bunch of babies, served two undistinguished terms as mayor of a tiny, little town where she accomplished nothing, used her husband's money to run for governor while backstabbing her mentors. It's good to have a hot soccer mom with guns, god, and babies to drool over.

I think it's interesting that more women see through Sarah Palin's shananigans and are not fooled by her. Men can be so easily dooped by an attractive charming woman, and Sarah is living proof. No doubt that's how she climbed her way up the ladder in Alaska. Come on right wing men, start thinking with your brains, not the part of your anatomy that always lands you in trouble.

All the "Show me the REAL birth certificate" crowd should request a copy of their BC from their birthplaces. I'm older than the POTUS, and my current BC looks nothing like the photostat of my BC issued back then. Due to privacy concerns, a lot of information is not included now but it is sufficient for the US government to issue me a passport.

Palin is a joke and her supporters are a bigger joke. How anyone in their right mind thinks she is capable and ready is a joke too. She could not even handle simple questions in interviews, she was not sabatoged she is just an idiot w/lack of any intelligence.Failed as a mother she a quitter and cannot stream an intelligent thought for longer than 2 minutes (lol).Listening to her defenders is entertaining though anne and rush and the likes are what they are pathetic people

Is that why the left is so obviously afraid of beautiful, accomplished, tough and sane Sarah? Add a large dash of misogyny and you've got it.

Hopium Dopium Nitwits

Posted by: JoeDBrown
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The truth to be told, people are calling her out for the fact that she knows nothing except to repeat what others says. For example: During a speech in Hong Kong, where there's no media in presence(what's she afraid of?),she argued that the economic downturn was a result of government regulation. FACT: She did not offer one bit of empirical evidence to prove her argument. This where she loses every time.
I can go on many things but you would simply gloss over that..

Hmm, reality check, the poll was conducted by this news rag, so it is absolutely irrevelant what it is reporting about Sarah. To some of you who bought the koolaid about Sarah, she will be your next president so deal with it. Once we get rid of worthless obummer, we can start rebuilding this once great nation away from party politics which must go.

David Brooks, Chris Mathews and you other elitists get a sensation up your legs over Obama, even to the point of remarking on the crease in his pants. You are of the same ilk that said Reagan was an idiot (wrong again).

"And Alaska -- we're set up, unlike other states in the union, where it's collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs. ... It's to maximize benefits for Alaskans, not an individual company, not some multinational somewhere, but for Alaskans." --Sarah Palin

Here's how Sarah Palin could be your next president - if Obama continues to put America second, continues to be apologetic, continues to bow before Saudi princes,a Japanese emporer, has 34 czars, multi-trillion dollar deficit, Communist friends and socialist leanings, all that my friends will make people open to a candidate who still loves this country, who has a grass roots appeal and comes across as being one of them, not one of an elitist academic community.

Well, he went to 4-year college (finishing in less than a decade). He speaks in coherent sentences, won an election in a state that has more people than it has elk, and somehow survived the televised abu ghraib that is Katie Couric. So, uh, yeah: Barry is more qualified than Palin.

Two hours ago (11:26AM) I asked in a very civil manner for the Palinites and other "conservatives" to share their vision of how America would be under their political dominance; so far, not one simple response to explain their vision to us. Is there a plan, or just unending complaints?

I will paste my post again:
"I ask all of the Sarah fans to tell us, or to envision for us of other visions, what the US would become if Palin's and your dreams became empowered and put in place. Just tell us what your slogans, beliefs, solutions and all would be like. Just set out what life would be like in Sarah/your/FOXX Party vision. Just tell it straight, no justifications, just give us your vision and how it would work.
Then we can go from there and have an interesting discussion of the pros and cons, and lots of exchange. The FOXX vision is vague at this point, with us others feeling your ideas and comments are mostly unhappiness and attacks on disbelievers, not about your vision. Please, and with respect. Now talk, please."

No one seems to be able to give affirmative, factual reasons they support Obama. They attack and savage Palin, call me names, go off on bewildering rants but no calm, reasoned statement or defense of Barry's record.

In my minds eye I see a bunch of wild, crazed savages dancing naked in the dirt around their mud idol, while screaming obscenities and thowing dirt on themselves. I guess it's Sarah's turn in the savage's cooking pot.

It makes me wish I had gone to an Ivy league school too. Then i could be smug and condescending while being intellectually, culturally and morally bankrupt. I could substitute invective and the slavish regurgitation of talking points for wit. I too could believe with blind, fanatical faith in a shabby, empty suit.

Ah, poor, insecure, hysterical liberals. I really feel sorry for people that can be so frightened by an attractive, bright, accomplished woman. Life must be a constant unwelcome surprise for you.

"We need to come to the defense of Southeast Alaska when proposals are on the table like the bridge and not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project or any other into something that's so negative."
-Sarah Palin, Oct. 22, 2006

"I signed major ethics reform. And I appointed both Democrats and independents to serve in my administration. And I championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. In fact, I told Congress -- I told Congress, "Thanks, but no thanks," on that bridge to nowhere. If our state wanted a bridge, I said we'd build it ourselves.
-Sarah Palin, Aug. 29, 2008

"No one seems to be able to give affirmative, factual reasons they support Obama. They attack and savage Palin, call me names, go off on bewildering rants but no calm, reasoned statement or defense of Barry's record."
Posted by: JoeDBrown
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Since Obama has become president a depression has been avoided, Pakistan is not tolerating the Taliban within its borders, Iran's nuclear ambitions have been exposed and assets confiscated in the US, 911 conspirators are on their way to meet justice and the Iranian people are protesting their government.

"In my minds eye I see a bunch of wild, crazed savages dancing naked in the dirt around their mud idol, while screaming obscenities and thowing dirt on themselves. I guess it's Sarah's turn in the savage's cooking pot."
Posted by: JoeDBrown
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Those were gun-toting teaparty demonstrators at what should have been civil town hall meetings, and the mud idol was Sarah herself urging them on while talking about death panels.

I am sure that Palin is a fine person, but after everything we have witnessed as recent as last year's campaign, I dare say she has a very steep hill to climb to defeat ALL of the other candidates (with what they will bring to the table), earning the nod from the MAJORITY of the voters of this country, to capture the presidenctial role of this country.

Hillary can do it. I highly doubt Palin would be able to accomplish that for 2012. Solely based on objective observation, that is an absolute no. I don't see her getting presidency of this country anytime soon.

For those who don't see it that way, there's nothing wrong with being supportive, but just look at the results of the electoral map as we all watched which way the majority voted. Much of that, I am sure, was due to Palin being on the ticket. There was Some Level of genuine concern there...

pvilso24 responded to my request for an explanation of the Palinite/conservative vision by replying "Hum.. how about freer from state-control ? freer from onerous taxes ? freer to choice health care ? and a whole lot safer than under the Democrats."

Dear pvilso24, that is a collection of slogans, not an operational description or philosophical framework for a Palinite/Conservative/FOXX party nation.
To respond to the slogans:
1) I felt freer before the NSA eavesdropping, enemies lists, no-fly lists, etc. that started once Cheney became the security head of the govt
2) Onerous Federal taxes are at the level Bush cut them to and have little prospect of being raised by the Democrats any time soon. Democrats do not like to pay taxes either, but the 44% increase in federal spending under Bush, and additional $6 trillion in govt debt run up under Bush/Cheney, means something must be done to avoid economic catastrophe. Taxes in the US are actually fairly low now, and much lower than under Ronald Reagan.
3) I thought that more providers gives more freedom of choice. If the government begins to compete with the current cartel of anti-competitive health care providers then there will be more choice, lower prices and more health care. Also, if you want more choice, then why interfere with a woman's choice? Isn't that anti-choice?
4) The one certainty is that we are safer under Obama, and much better liked in the world by all nations. Who now likes us less, and is more likely to attack us? Obama has demonstrated that we are willing to discuss, reason, consider and collaborate with others who have interests that differ from our own. Bush Cheney did not keep us safe - 911 happened on their watch, along with many other attacks that were not announced, like the 2007 hacking attacks on our govt. computer systems where many terabytes of secret info was lost. GOP loves its positioning as the party of security, but it gave us Beirut 1984, WTC 1991, etc.
Got any more slogans that you'd like to expound as your "vision?"

I do find it funny, I must admit. Those who adore Palin because she is one of them, like them - would you want someone like you to be president?

And hey JoeDBrown, you don't have to be a liberal to laugh at people like you praying for Palin to be president. I can laugh at the liberals too, I usually do in fact. But nobody, I mean nobody makes me laugh like you liberal-hating conservatives asking for what you're going to get - Sarah Palin 2012.

"I'll wait until someone discards the book at a busstop. Even then that is very doubtful."
Posted by: arancia12

We'll all be treated to the movie version one day:

"Going Rogue" or "Why I didn't torpedo McCain's presidential bid and everyone else is just wrong"
Starring:
Elisabeth Hasselbeck as Sarah,
Kirk Cameron as Todd,
Carrie Prejean as Bristol.
Produced by Rupert Murdoch.
Special Effects by Karl Rove.
Palin speeches made understandable with help from Industrial Light and Magic.
Distributed by Fox Entertainment.
Look for it at a RedBox outlet near you at half price!

Posted by: enough3|November 16,2009 9:46 AM
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(1) I Love FACT CHECK !!!!!!....
(2) The Polls from FOX/WSJ (Murdoch's
groups)
were not objective numbers. The polls were done w/people who followed the Limbaugh's, Beck's, WSJ,etc. How objective were those polls?

Is anyone aware that Palin's publisher is OWNED by Rupert Murdoch? Her book tour is actually a campaign tour paid for by the FOREIGNER (recent citizen) Rupert Murdoch of the FOX stations. They have a bus with her picture on it for the tour. Beware people; she's attempting to run for something....Also, look where her book tour will take her; battle ground states)or those who are same thinking...

It's fascinating to watch journalists and socialists twist and squirm at the mention of Sarah Palin's name. You don't like her? Fine, don't like her. But what is she doing these days to hurt you socialists? She's out of office, doing what every other former politician has done, write a book, make some money. Both Clintons made millions writing their memoirs. So what's wrong with Sarah doing the same thing?

Let her be. She's no threat to you socialists and communists. Or is she?

Posted by: reginacoeli | November 16, 2009 9:00 AM

What she is, is a threat to any intelligent, thinking human being. She's an imbecile of the highest order.

"Let her be. She's no threat to you socialists and communists. Or is she?"
Posted by: reginacoeli | November 16, 2009 9:00 AM

Are you kidding comrade? She's the biggest socialist in America! She's actually supported socialist programs and touts them, such as:

"And Alaska -- we're set up, unlike other states in the union, where it's collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs. ... It's to maximize benefits for Alaskans, not an individual company, not some multinational somewhere, but for Alaskans." --Sarah Palin

Replace "Alaska" with "Venezula" and it sounds like Hugo Chavez. Me thinks conservatives do not know much about Sarah or her anti-American Alaska Independence Party affiliations as well as other unAmerican ideals.

I wish Sarah Palin all the best in her quest for the GOP nomination in 2012. The Democrats will not have to work one minute to raise money for their candidate in 2012. Frankly, a dead cat could run in 2012 and beat Palin.

Terry Eastland of the Weekly Standard argues that one consequence of the decline of religion in the US is the unleashing of religious rabble. With a decline of the 'reasonable center' (aka the Catholics, Episcopalians, Lutherans and so on) the snake handlers, fundamentalists and other nut jobs have been unleashed. Sarah is their leader.

Sarah's ghost writer is another nut job. She supports the most bizarre, right wing hate mongers. Can't wait to see who Palin picks for her running mate!

The reason the liberals hate Sarah and the conservatives love herr is basically the same - because she is just like them, the white trash conservatives who love her.

Does anyone feel surprised the liberals hate her? Does anyone really want someone like the people who lover her to be president?

Sure, she's probably a nice lady. You can't really blame her for her ignorance or ineptitude, she's as much a victim of the unfortunate circumstances of her upbringing as are the bible-thumping trailer trash who love her.

Still, all of us have to ask (even those who love her): Do you want someone like this to be president?

David Brooks, Chris Mathews and you other elitists get a sensation up your legs over Obama, even to the point of remarking on the crease in his pants.

"You are of the same ilk that said Reagan was an idiot (wrong again)"
.Posted by: jahoby | November 16, 2009 1:12 PM ***************************************
Reagan was more than an IDIOT...he was sick and knew it and continued to be President...

Reagan seem to have a classic experience with the disease (Alzheimer's), experiencing annoying memory issues in the late 80s and early 90s, and then having more and more trouble with memory and disorientation as the years went on. He was diagnosed in the 80's. His 1990 lapses of memory when questioned about the Iran-contra affair were widely discussed. During the questioning he was also unable to remember the name of his Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

POINT: Reagan had Alzheimer's during his presidency. Yet he was a good president???
Palin speaks of Reagan A LOT...

Fate1:
Your information, precision and highly articulate and pointed comments are very impressive - good thing you don't work on the dark side with the FOXX party. Keep it up!
I loved your quote about Palin's Alaskan socialism just above at 3:02PM. A wonderful fact based retort to another sloganistic winger comment about liberals/Dems being socialists. A real zinger.

now Joe, don't be bitter. Why, there are plenty of perfect imbeciles with Ivy League degrees--take that "Texan" "rancher", Georgieboy. Please.
If you have someone read the top of this page to you, you'll see the thread's about Sarah Palin. It's not about Obama. It's not about how he kicked your fiscally irresponsible, Terri Schiavo, heckuva job, chickenhawk GOP butt in a yearlong campaign.
It's not even about your slightly creepy fantasies of naked liberal dancers and Sarah smoking pot (though I hope we'll come back to that). Why do you keep saying 'Obama' in defense of Palin? Is that like 'dems put someone I loathe into office, but I got Next'? Cause, really, you guys started it with that incompetent, venal, jackass Georgieboy--and Dems could do a LOT worse to you than a black guy with actual smarts.
Did you really learn nothing from his shambles of a presidency? Why, really, do you want another mediocre mind at the helm?

I do not believe that Palin has any intention of running for any office. It is her time to make lots of money and the longer she is in the news the more opportunity to make money. She will never run of any office again.

It's a long time between now and 2012. She has lots of time to reestablish herself as a viable candidate. But, all the speculation is that she's going to run, and that is not a certainty. Read: Sarah Palin's appeal to the conservative man..at..