Originally posted by A.J
what if you want to be in the tornie but cant represtent team, thats just not right

Huh? This isn't limited to people from an accepted "team". Team just refers to the fact that it's partners for this tourney. So if you find a partner, and sign up in time, you can do it too.

DigiMark007

This will also be getting moved to the vs. forum in a day or two, since that's wehre the tourney will be happening.

grey fox

SIGN ME UPPERZ ...I NEED THE 733T ASSKCING

Nah ... I'm kidding. But nine-posts only ? Come on digi thats cheap and you know it .

leonidas

leo and kahn are in and ready to kiss all the women and shake the hands of all the babies.

A.J

well i have my partner hehe

King_Mungi

Talisman also banned?

Rewmac

So only two members from one team?? For example if two members from my team are in me and another cannot go?

A.J

i dont think so, anyone from any team first come first serve

DarkCrawler

Originally posted by King_Mungi
Talisman also banned?

Strange level is.

Scoobless

what about power meshing? is that ok? ie: if you draft Superman, Apollo and Radioactive Man.... could you use RM to supercharge SM & Apollo?

Spideys Sister

Those rules only leave less than a handfull of heros. DC is allowed right?

DigiMark007

Originally posted by Scoobless
what about power meshing? is that ok? ie: if you draft Superman, Apollo and Radioactive Man.... could you use RM to supercharge SM & Apollo?

Power meshing is it's own horrible mess. But to be honest, I don't see how we'd avoid it....because with a team like the one you proposed, it would make it seem much less believable if you couldn't enhance your teammates.

So yeah, it's allowed, unless there's strong arguments against it.

Originally posted by Spideys Sister
Those rules only leave less than a handfull of heros. DC is allowed right?

It should leave you plenty of choices. You just have to use your imagination. 8 teams of 3 = 24 people. We had 12 more draft choices than that for the last herald tourney alone (there were 12 participants) and even if you subtract the few that are banned, there's plenty left.

batdude123

Is Dr. Fate allowed?

Accel

All right, I'm still new with all this, so I just want to make sure I got this right.

We pair up with partners and each pair drafts three characters that fall within the rules. Whichever characters we pick, we're stuck with thorughout the whole tourney. We then pit our teams against each other randomly and debate how our own teams will win, with each debater discussing only one certain character in each debate. Each person can only post nine posts for the debate in favor of his/her character and each debate will last for a week. By the end, the judges and popular vote will decide who wins the debate and moves on.

Am I right?

DigiMark007

^^ That sounds right Accel.

Originally posted by batdude123
Is Dr. Fate allowed?

Not sure.

But let's use this opportunity to set some ground rules for magic. Matter manipulation on a mid-to-high level is banned (Zatanna, The Doctor, etc.). Anything that isn't "regular" attack/defense is also banned. Examples of acceptable things would be shields, magical blasts, teleportation, telepathy, etc. Things like stopping time, entering the astral plane, other sort of freaky sh*t, ISN'T allowed.

I think, by those standards, a lot of magic people will be banned. I apologize for this, but there should be a decent amount of magic-users who are both useful and acceptable within the limits (for an example, Loki would be fine, who has occasionally shown some low-level matter manip, but has never turned someone into a sandwich).

I'm pretty sure Talisman is banned (he's Strange level, right?) but I haven't seen anything too bad about Shaman or Fate. But I could be wrong...please help me with this stuff guys, because I obviously don't know everything.

So for Fate, I dunno. I haven't seen enough of his showings. But hopefully that guideline helps you.

batdude123

Originally posted by DigiMark007
^^ That sounds right Accel.

Not sure.

But let's use this opportunity to set some ground rules for magic. Matter manipulation on a mid-to-high level is banned (Zatanna, The Doctor, etc.). Anything that isn't "regular" attack/defense is also banned. Examples of acceptable things would be shields, magical blasts, teleportation, telepathy, etc. Things like stopping time, entering the astral plane, other sort of freaky sh*t, ISN'T allowed.

I think, by those standards, a lot of magic people will be banned. I apologize for this, but there should be a decent amount of magic-users who are both useful and acceptable within the limits (for an example, Loki would be fine, who has occasionally shown some low-level matter manip, but has never turned someone into a sandwich).

I'm pretty sure Talisman is banned (he's Strange level, right?) but I haven't seen anything too bad about Shaman or Fate. But I could be wrong...please help me with this stuff guys, because I obviously don't know everything.

So for Fate, I dunno. I haven't seen enough of his showings. But hopefully that guideline helps you.

Mind you, Dr. Fate is VERY powerful. He is considered the JSA's most powerful member (right after Spectre of course), even above Sentinel! Here he is sending Sentinel, Superman, Wonder Woman, and Star-Spangled Kid to his own relm while in a weakend and trance-like state of mind.

batdude123

Part Two!

batdude123

Originally posted by batdude123
Part Two!

batdude123

My computer is out of whack! Here we go.

DigiMark007

Sending someone to another dimension (especially people that powerful)? Probably not so good....he seems a little too uber.

Validus

Originally posted by batdude123
Is Dr. Fate allowed?
Hell no he isn't allowed. Trying to take advantage of Digi's lack of Fate knowledge.

DigiMark007

Originally posted by Validus
Hell no he isn't allowed. Trying to take advantage of Digi's lack of Fate knowledge.

Exactly. Which is why I appreciate the help.

batdude123

Originally posted by Validus
Hell no he isn't allowed. Trying to take advantage of Digi's lack of Fate knowledge.

newjak86

I have question Digig and its on Battle field removal. will it be allowed to me it seems kinda of like the Flash in that it is kinda cheap.

DigiMark007

See, that's the thing. The "no freaking loopholes" rule will let me just neuter characters who 'slip by'. So it's in everyone's best interests to be within the rules, or you may find yourself in a battle and suddenly unable to use powers that you thought you could sneak in. Trying to cheat me and the rest of the Corps will only hurt participants in the end.

In the meantime, though, you're welcome to try.

newjak86

Originally posted by DigiMark007
See, that's the thing. The "no freaking loopholes" rule will let me just neuter characters who 'slip by'. So it's in everyone's best interests to be within the rules, or you may find yourself in a battle and suddenly unable to use powers that you thought you could sneak in. Trying to cheat me and the rest of the Corps will only hurt participants in the end.

In the meantime, though, you're welcome to try. Sounds pretty good but I was asking more of if teleporting people would be allowed.

Blair Wind

Nice....its good to see that leo has sooo much confindence in his teams ability.....

I think you should also be clear that duplicating powers, and copying powers characters are banned.....because then it will be like me and Long Pig all over again

Draco69

Speaking of Blairwind...

I think elementals like ICEMAN should be banned. Sooner or later someone will say:

"Even if Iceman does get destroyed, he's EVERYWHERE. He'll just reappear in the water made of Mars icecap!"

Validus

Originally posted by Draco69
Speaking of Blairwind...

I think elementals like ICEMAN should be banned. Sooner or later someone will say:

"Even if Iceman does get destroyed, he's EVERYWHERE. He'll just reappear in the water made of Mars icecap!"

Yeah I was wondering about a "killibility" limit too.

Blair Wind

well I wasnt gonna pick him anyways

(I had already thought of that)

anyone that can turn to dust, sand. mist, or whatever should probably be banned....

batdude123

Originally posted by Draco69
Speaking of Blairwind...

I think elementals like ICEMAN should be banned. Sooner or later someone will say:

"Even if Iceman does get destroyed, he's EVERYWHERE. He'll just reappear in the water made of Mars icecap!"

That's what I was thinking earlier.

Khellendros

Originally posted by Draco69
Speaking of Blairwind...

I think elementals like ICEMAN should be banned. Sooner or later someone will say:

"Even if Iceman does get destroyed, he's EVERYWHERE. He'll just reappear in the water made of Mars icecap!"

Yeah, him and that water guy and Swamp Thing, all of whom basically can't be killed or incapacitated for any serious amount of time.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
well I wasnt gonna pick him anyways

(I had already thought of that)

anyone that can turn to dust, sand. mist, or whatever should probably be banned....
If turning into dust/mist/whatever means they basically can't be killed then, yes, it should be banned.

TheKahn

Khellendros

Sign-ups will happen in one thread, drafting will happen in one or two others.

grey fox

Why aren't wiki bios allowed ?

TheKahn

Originally posted by Khellendros
Sign-ups will happen in one thread, drafting will happen in one or two others.

Thanks.

TheKahn

Originally posted by grey fox
Why aren't wiki bios allowed ?

Because it is painfully clear that a significant portion of them are written by retarded chimpanzees on crack

leonidas

Originally posted by TheKahn
Because it is painfully clear that a significant portion of them are written by retarded chimpanzees on crack

and that's a good reason to ban them . . .?

TheKahn

Originally posted by leonidas
and that's a good reason to ban them . . .?

Yes?

I was under the impression that the reason they are banned is that are just a little too easy to be modified by people. There really isn't a whole lot stopping someone from adding in certain "facts" into the bio that might help them and then claim wiki as an authoritative source in a match.

Scoobless

So if any GLC member says a character is banned, then he's banned! right?

Validus

Something like that. The currently banned characters are all obvious though.

Devil Lance

Would someone like Jericho be allowed?

A.J

sorry d about not being partners you have somone already right ?

Devil Lance

Originally posted by A.J
sorry d about not being partners you have somone already right ?
kind of but I need a back up partner just to be sure

A.J

back up ay mmmm

thats a good idea so do i

Blair Wind

Originally posted by Devil Lance
Would someone like Jericho be allowed?

from teen titans? the man who can inhabit your body? I doubt it if thats him...

Scoobless

No possession/mind control

Khellendros

I agree with no mind control simply because it'll degenerate into people wasting precious posts on "yes he can take over your guy's mind" "nuh uh!" "Yeah huh!" and so on. Possession, though... might make for some interesting strategies.

grey fox

A. Nine posts = cheap . It isn't a deabte then . It's just a trim sleek thread. Like an I-pod nano.

I hate I-pods.

B. Digi I think your banning WAY too much , but then again it's my opinion....

leonidas

Originally posted by TheKahn
Yes?

I was under the impression that the reason they are banned is that are just a little too easy to be modified by people. There really isn't a whole lot stopping someone from adding in certain "facts" into the bio that might help them and then claim wiki as an authoritative source in a match.

of course it's a good reason. just yanking yer chain, partner!

King_Mungi

Originally posted by DigiMark007
I'm pretty sure Talisman is banned (he's Strange level, right?) but I haven't seen anything too bad about Shaman or Fate.

Yeah she is Dr.Strange level, and yeah she is banned
http://alphanex.alphaflight.net/index.php/Talisman

DigiMark007

Let's see....what did I miss...

Originally posted by newjak86
Sounds pretty good but I was asking more of if teleporting people would be allowed.

Teleporting's fine, but not as battlefield removal....it's a bit cheap, and usually isn't used that way anyway.

Originally posted by Scoobless
So if any GLC member says a character is banned, then he's banned! right?

Basically....except for ones participating (sorry leo and Kahn). I retain the power of override, but you're all smart chaps, so I doubt that'll happen.

Originally posted by grey fox
A. Nine posts = cheap . It isn't a deabte then . It's just a trim sleek thread. Like an I-pod nano.

I hate I-pods.

B. Digi I think your banning WAY too much , but then again it's my opinion....

A. In past tourney's we've had 20+ page fights with only 2 people fighting. It was a nightmare to read and judge. And I've seen individual posts that are small novels. Make those 9 count, and that's all you'll need. And multiply 9 x 4 and you have 36....almost two full pages of long posts. That will be plenty of time to make multiple points and determine a winner.

B. Did you see the last herald tourney? It was a mess with this stuff. I'm just trying to make it fair for as many people as possible. Anyone involved with any of the past tourneys will likely agree with me.

Originally posted by Draco69
Speaking of Blairwind...

I think elementals like ICEMAN should be banned. Sooner or later someone will say:

"Even if Iceman does get destroyed, he's EVERYWHERE. He'll just reappear in the water made of Mars icecap!"

Anyone who picks Bobby for a herald tourney is ridiculous.

Besides, he might not be completely gone (just like smashing Deadpool to a pulp doesn't kill him) but for the purposes of the match it would still count as a win.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
so sign ups are on sunday, when are drafts?? I still like the idea of having four characters and two being specially designed for whatever teammate they established it for...that way we could just have two super rounds were two characters are chosen....save time and you can play a little more with the debate

Sign-ups are on Sunday. 1st round of the drafts will be determined by how quickly we get 8 teams. But once sign-ups are done I'll make another annoucement for the start of drafts.

And we'll still only need 2 rounds, but finding 32 people (8x4) might be a stretch for a lot of people, so less is probably more in this case. 3-vs-3 is plenty for a good match though.

Blair Wind

so sign ups are on sunday, when are drafts?? I still like the idea of having four characters and two being specially designed for whatever teammate they established it for...that way we could just have two super rounds were two characters are chosen....save time and you can play a little more with the debate

DigiMark007

...i responded to your post above you Blair.

King KAM

ummm, i think i might join.... i unno..could be fun.

Blair Wind

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Anyone who picks Bobby for a herald tourney is ridiculous.

Besides, he might not be completely gone (just like smashing Deadpool to a pulp doesn't kill him) but for the purposes of the match it would still count as a win.

I resent that....even though he is banned for being unkillable in a physical sense, he took on and froze the freakin stranger....and him being smashed to bits? it took him a few seconds to come back last time it happened, and he can fight from that form...

Khellendros

Originally posted by grey fox
A. Nine posts = cheap . It isn't a deabte then.
..Actually, I'm pretty sure REAL debates do in fact have a set number of responses.

TheKahn

Originally posted by Khellendros
..Actually, I'm pretty sure REAL debates do in fact have a set number of responses.

Yep, if I remember correctly back in high school a team only got two rounds of debating (with only a certain amount of time to do these in) and the ability to ask a few questions after the other team made their two speaches. Keep in mind that with a 10,000 word limit for each post, I'd think that each team will get to say all they want and then some.

grey fox

Ok , ok. I just enjoy a healthy sense of random . And wading through post's can sometimes be really fun .

leonidas

Originally posted by TheKahn
Yep, if I remember correctly back in high school a team only got two rounds of debating (with only a certain amount of time to do these in) and the ability to ask a few questions after the other team made their two speaches. Keep in mind that with a 10,000 word limit for each post, I'd think that each team will get to say all they want and then some.

10 . . . THOUSAND words . . .??

i don't write anything that long unless someone is paying me for it at the end . . .

Scoobless

Don't worry......... NOBODY will be paying for your posts!

grey fox

Man ...I have no idea to pick .
Could someone give me a brief list of characters which are under the bar ?

Scoobless

Originally posted by grey fox
Man ...I have no idea to pick .
Could someone give me a brief list of characters which are under the bar ?

Take a look at that site if you're having trouble thinking of characters. A good look since just about every character is there.

Blair Wind

are amalgams allowed?

batdude123

Is Galactus allowed?

grey fox

No what i mean is this is a herald tourney .

Ergo I can't pick surfer (Too used and he has a OHK ) or The Mad Titan. Or Ego.....

I specialise in street levelers dammit !!

Validus

Blair Wind

eh that sucks...I saw a thor/supes combo....

grey fox we got what you meant...we were just messing around with the names....but if you look at the site Val gave you might get some inspiration

grey fox

By the god's I have an idea !!!!!

A.J

what is it fox ?? tell tell !!!!

batdude123

I know he might be a little too uber for this herald thread, but is Batman allowed?

Devil Lance

Originally posted by batdude123
I know he might be a little too uber for this herald thread, but is Batman allowed?
the bat-kick alone puts him way above the limits nice try though

DigiMark007

A few notes.

No amalgams. But anyone hurting for ideas should try to search for the last herald tourney draft threads or something....a lot of good ideas should come from that. And think power-mesh. It won't be as easy with a team as it was with amalgams, but it'll certainly help.

And wtf? Thing's Thing? This is a herald tourney, not an abstract-level tournament. Thing's Thing just beat Lucifer in BS Comics #198. Sheesh!

P.S. leo...10000 characters, not words. Still a lot, but much much less.

leonidas

oohhhhhhhhhhhhhh . . .

Devil Lance

can somone one please provide a link to the original herald level tourney drafting thread so I can get some more ideas on who to pick.

Khellendros

Originally posted by Devil Lance
can somone one please provide a link to the original herald level tourney drafting thread so I can get some more ideas on who to pick.
I can give you the link to the amalgam tourney final draft, which was all Herald-levellers or thereabouts. Keep in mind that that tourney didn't have this one's restrictions when looking through them.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=338940

Damn, I forogt how awesome a combination I had. Maybe not the best, but it was nifty.

Blair Wind

Originally posted by DigiMark007

And wtf? Thing's Thing? This is a herald tourney, not an abstract-level tournament. Thing's Thing just beat Lucifer in BS Comics #198. Sheesh!

can I get Odin?

I mean arnt all gods the same....

A.J

Can i be black adam ?

if hes allowed dibs on him

Blair Wind

no dibs......sorry

A.J

ill get there first then, seeing as hes the only no steet leveler i really like

Blair Wind

pffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft.......fine.......

Whos your team mate?

A.J

samishie, hes proberly going to be venom but with me black adam how can we lose

grey fox

I have no team-mate

Psyquis52

Are you kidding me Fox?

All you have to do is ask!

grey fox

Sweet !

Devil Lance

when are the sign ups

newjak86

Originally posted by Devil Lance
when are the sign ups Today at 2
What I want to know is where will it be at Digi in here or the vs forums.

grey fox

Huh ?

It's 4 : 52 on my KMC clock . And 5 : 36 in my real clock.

When the hell is it going to be !!!

Blair Wind

2 Eastern time......do the conversions

newjak86

Originally posted by grey fox
Huh ?

It's 4 : 52 on my KMC clock . And 5 : 36 in my real clock.

When the hell is it going to be !!! Well so you don't have to do the conversions it is about an hour and 15 minutes from when I posted this

grey fox

I just changed my clock ..apparently it's going to be three/ four hours before I can sign up.....

A.J

damn im not going to be here and sams awa, thats ****ed up digi little help

Blair Wind

Originally posted by grey fox
I just changed my clock ..apparently it's going to be three/ four hours before I can sign up.....

Im eastern and its about an hour and 14 minutes away......

A.J

Cant somone do it for me and sam z please

grey fox

Originally posted by Blair Wind

Im eastern and its about an hour and 14 minutes away......

Ok.

I am British. I live in England . England is (give or take) 5000 miles away from America , lag has to be expected.

A.J

HELP !!!

Blair Wind

Originally posted by grey fox
Ok.

I am British. I live in England . England is (give or take) 5000 miles away from America , lag has to be expected.

I know and get that....but the sign ups should only be about an hour from whatever time it is over there....right?

Blair Wind

Originally posted by A.J
HELP !!!

A.J

im serious if somone can sign us up please, i wanna be black adam, and sam is venom i guess

grey fox

Originally posted by Blair Wind
I know and get that....but the sign ups should only be about an hour from whatever time it is over there....right?

Originally posted by A.J
im serious if somone can sign us up please, i wanna be black adam, and sam is venom i guess

drafts are later....sign ups are just so that we know what teams are participating...

A.J

I cant if no one will at least sign us up

ok digi let it be known me and sam want it ok

newjak86

Originally posted by grey fox
Ok , the sign ups take place at 2pm .

My (Eastern Us and Canada) kmc clock say's that it's currently 12 :10 pm Ok whatever time it is now just know that drafts are 40 minutes away from that time ok.

Mr.V

It doesnt work like that, its first come first serve; you cant put "dibs" or "reserve" the character before hand.

Blair Wind

it doesnt...but hes telling his team anyways......

or who he wants on his team at least..just like I could tell you I want my team to consist of Batman, Wolverine, and Captain America.....seriouisly.....but anyways you dont need to signup exactly at 2 (40 mins away!) there should be some space in an hour from that time...or maybe no....I dont think it would be allowed for us to help you aj

newjak86

Originally posted by Blair Wind
it doesnt...but hes telling his team anyways......

or who he wants on his team at least....but you dont need to signup exactly at 2 (40 mins away!) there should be some space in an hour from that time...or maybe no....I dont think it would be allowed for us to help you aj I think the best we could is say after an hour or so of someone not signing up we could ask Digi to put in if there are any spaces left.

TheKahn

Originally posted by Blair Wind
it doesnt...but hes telling his team anyways......

or who he wants on his team at least..just like I could tell you I want my team to consist of Batman, Wolverine, and Captain America.....seriouisly.....but anyways you dont need to signup exactly at 2 (40 mins away!) there should be some space in an hour from that time...or maybe no....I dont think it would be allowed for us to help you aj

I blame you for this chaos.

For those not on EST the sign up will be in about 32 minutes from this post.

Blair Wind

why? its about ya thirty minutes by my watch....

TheKahn

Originally posted by Blair Wind why? its about ya thirty minutes by my watch....

Damnable, Lord of Chaos...you plotted all of this just to throw other teams off, didn't you?

about 20 minutes now, guys.

newjak86

21 minutes

Blair Wind

you keep posting several min. after I post!!!!!!!!!!!

its now 20 min!!!!

newjak86

Originally posted by TheKahn
Damnable, Lord of Chaos...you plotted all of this just to throw other teams off, didn't you?

about 20 minutes now, guys.

TheKahn

Originally posted by Blair Wind

you keep posting several min. after I post!!!!!!!!!!!

its now 20 min!!!!

19

newjak86

17

Blair Wind

15

TheKahn

13

newjak86

12

Validus

You guys suck at counting time.

batdude123

7

newjak86

Originally posted by Validus
You guys suck at counting time. Yeah so

Blair Wind

7 MINUTES!!!!!!!!1

newjak86

6

Mr.V

This is sad... the longer you look at the clock, the longer it'll take.

Validus

What happens when the countdown finishes and Digi still isn't online?

newjak86

Originally posted by Validus
What happens when the countdown finishes and Digi still isn't online? We go into overtime

TheKahn

Originally posted by Validus
What happens when the countdown finishes and Digi still isn't online?

we riot

Blair Wind

......someone from the corps should make...he DID say 2 pm....and you guys ARE in charge....right?

leonidas

SHOWTIME!! kahna and leo win!! kahn and leo win!!!

clap

Devil Lance

Its time isn't it somebody make the thread

Validus

+1

Blair Wind

Originally posted by leonidas
SHOWTIME!! kahna and leo win!! kahn and leo win!!!

clap

kahna???

kahn he thinks your a girl....you gonna take that from him?!

Validus

+2

newjak86

Originally posted by leonidas
SHOWTIME!! kahna and leo win!! kahn and leo win!!!

clap Since when did Khan become female

Blair Wind

Originally posted by Blair Wind
kahna???

kahn he thinks your a girl....you gonna take that from him?!

bottom of the page...

leonidas

Originally posted by newjak86
Since when did Khan become female

why you sunsa --

who went back in and editted mu post?? who switched the letters around on my keyboard!?? damnable chaos fiends!! is no level too low for you?

TheKahn

+5

newjak86

Originally posted by leonidas
why you sunsa --

who went back in and editted mu post?? who switched the letters around on my keyboard!?? damnable chaos fiends!! is no level too low for you? Well you are the the dispencers of order on these forums we are the bringers of chaos shouldn't we be enemies.

Blair Wind

well....we are the Lords of Chaos and Order....

its just that for right now....Chaos is more productive

Validus

+7

leonidas

this game is not over, devils . . .

Blair Wind

Originally posted by Blair Wind

......someone from the corps should make...he DID say 2 pm....and you guys ARE in charge....right?

val?? could you make it?

leonidas

what are you doing here val? shouldn't you be off stealing someone's thunder?