On top of being a racist and overall horrible person, the fact that Bannon doesn't spell out "are" and "you" and writes things like "Dude!!! LMAO! ... Epic" in emails makes him that much more despicable.

You know, there is a certain grim and morbid satisfaction from the knowledge that if these fascist farks truly took over, they'd stick farking Milo in a gas chamber too. His last words that he'd squeal out as they sealed the door would be "wait, I'm one of you, I thought we were friends!" I wonder if he even realizes that or if he's so far up his own ass he's blind to it

FLMountainMan:Just them though, right? Feeding debate questions to candidates ahead of time, photoshopping pictures, and openly cheering for candidates is all kosher if our team does it, right?

...huh?!

Oh, I mean, I get it - you're on the "Both Sides Are Bad Concern Trollapalooza" bus - but attempting to claim that a concerted, years-long effort, funded by some of the richer right-wing assholes this country has to offer, to embrace neo-Nazis, white nationalists, teabaggers, MRAs, and all of the conservative disaffected that they could scrape up in an effort to rebrand them as an "alt-right" movement, is somehow equal to the foolishness you've posted is a study in moronic equivocation.

Being an alt-right apologist is bad enough, but to know - to actually see evidence in front of you - that these assholes were working with neo-Nazis and white nationalists, all the while lying about it through their farking teeth to anyone & everyone who confronted or even suspected them, and to then post this weak-ass concern troll shiat? It ill becomes you.

The Kochs seems more focused on obtaining the 'old-school', pre-Tea Party goals of the GOP, namely reductions in or outright removal of so-called Entitlements and social programs (including the ACA), and tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans, specifically the repeal of the Estate Tax. They are willing to go along with other goals, but they seem hell-bent on repeal of the ACA and the Estate Tax, with other tax cuts for the rich, as well.

These Mercers seem more interested in Bannon's kind of Republican Party, namely extreme Immigration reform, and otherwise empowering the Whites over other races. They seem to be behind much of the populism that has run rampant first with the Tea Party, and then exploding behind Trump's rise to power. Surely the Kochs had their hand in this, as well, but it appears that was only a means to an end.

People were warning about this YEARS ago. 2014 or so. But since it was in the gaming community, everyone ignored us. This shiat kicked off with the Zoe Quinn witch hunt and just snowballed. People need to farking listen to women and take harassment seriously.

The Mercers and Bannon, on the other hand, are in it for the long haul with billions in cash, infrastructure, and relentless propaganda.

Trump is the opening salvo to this, not the apex. That's the reality if these nationalistic white supremacists continue to gain traction. They are dedicated, full time, to seeing their vision of not only America, but the world, come to fruition.

It won't magically stop. The efforts in opposition need to unite and work twice tirelessly against this, otherwise the slow drift to a very bleak future for many will continue.

FLMountainMan:Just them though, right? Feeding debate questions to candidates ahead of time, photoshopping pictures, and openly cheering for candidates is all kosher if our team does it, right?

It never ceases to amaze me that no matter how bad the right is (and in this case being actual Nazis) they'll still claim the left is WORSE and that everything is justified because people will gender swap in public and Hillary Clinton will personally abort babies in the street.

Cbillrun:Lol you libs are absolute fascists nuts. Pot calling kettle black. What a lot of nothing in this long winded article. Once again I am deeply embarrassed for anyone who believes Milo is a racist or nazi. Sad

Very clumsy. You need to be much more subtle than that these days. I'd guess you aren't getting paid for this, you're just being useless on your own dime/ruble.

Cbillrun:Lol you libs are absolute fascists nuts. Pot calling kettle black. What a lot of nothing in this long winded article. Once again I am deeply embarrassed for anyone who believes Milo is a racist or nazi. Sad

Pick up your game, fool. We expect our trolls and dullards to put in a better effort than that. Your post was just lame.

Cbillrun:Lol you libs are absolute fascists nuts. Pot calling kettle black. What a lot of nothing in this long winded article. Once again I am deeply embarrassed for anyone who believes Milo is a racist or nazi. Sad

"The white working class deserves safety. Islam brings us anything but that""Behind every racist joke is a scientific fact""The Alt-Right believes that Western culture is currently imperiled[sic]... I think they are right"

With statements like that, I don't possibly see how anyone could have gotten the crazy notion that Yolo Snuffleupagus is even the teeniest bit racist at all.

What_Would_Jimi_Do:the only way todays politicians can stay in control is to continue to drive the wedge between us. wether it is political affiliation, race, gender or religion - and also lack thereof. gun violence, opioid additions or whatever - as long as the public are after each others throats the politicians have us exactly where they need us.

okay everyone can return to the normal race baiting and name calling.

What was called race baiting, this article proved to be "correctly identifying racists." The wedge isn't being driven by people who can successfully spot racists, but is being driven by people who will provide excuses for racists when the racists' political positions are in line with their own.

If you don't want to be lumped in with the racists, un-align your views from the racists to distinguish yourself.

There aren't many, and they aren't really important enough to waste time being concerned with.

HotwingConspiracy just determinedly interperets moderate intensity dating advice as though it were a call for a eugenics program.

Wat?

It once came up here that i think interracial dating is probably a bad idea.

Which is really all that was ment. Interracial relationships blow up more often than ones that aren't. It's a bad idea in exactly the same way that, say, dating wildly out of your income bracket or education level is. There is simply a greater chance of sorrow and pain in your future.

But apparently I'm a hardcore defender of the purity of the whit race?

I'm going to need a citation for your claim. A perfunctory Google search shows that white men marrying black women have THE LOWEST divorce rate out there. So, is your view out of "concern" or do you want to admit that you just don't like it because reasons?

/married to a black woman//10 years///We still giggle and hug like a teenage crush

goat012006:I'm going to need a citation for your claim. A perfunctory Google search shows that white men marrying black women have THE LOWEST divorce rate out there. So, is your view out of "concern" or do you want to admit that you just don't like it because reasons?

/married to a black woman//10 years///We still giggle and hug like a teenage crush

Boxingoutsider:People like me who want there to be freedom and equality but don't want to be lectured about how intolerant they are because they arent super comfy with whatever the latest identity politics trend is. Democrats who don't think cops are scum. Democrats who own guns and like guns. Democrats who believe in border security and don't want to be lectured on the cruelty of a wall or securing the border.

You just don't have the intestinal fortitude to own your Republicanism, considering you don't actually support anything the Democrats value.

Ned Stark:It once came up here that i think interracial dating is probably a bad idea.

Which is really all that was ment. Interracial relationships blow up more often than ones that aren't. It's a bad idea in exactly the same way that, say, dating wildly out of your income bracket or education level is. There is simply a greater chance of sorrow and pain in your future.

But apparently I'm a hardcore defender of the purity of the whit race?

Another popular tactic is to say that you're very, very concerned about any potential children*.

*deep, legitimate concern about interracial dating does not apply to white guys with asian girls.

God, the Trumpsters here trying to dismiss this as "blog wars" instead of, you know, actual proof that Brietbart has real ties to nazis and white supremists. Oh, and the King of Brietbart had (and probably still has) the ear of the POTUS. Nothing to see here folks, move along.

LL316:HotWingConspiracy: the "natural conservatives" (people who think different ethnic groups should stay separate for scientific reasons)

LOL, one of them posts here. He'll be in this thread later for sure.

Wtf are scientific reasons for not farking who you wanna fark?

The men's rights crowd is the dating equivalent of the people who think videogames are more fun when you turn off all the graphics settings and suck the humanity out of the experience.

For them, women aren't human beings, they're a set of game mechanics which can be manipulated to achieve successful outcomes. The fact women don't understand why I do this, quite frankly, it's no wonder they're so stoopid.

peasandcarrots:Horizon: You know, there is a certain grim and morbid satisfaction from the knowledge that if these fascist farks truly took over, they'd stick farking Milo in a gas chamber too. His last words that he'd squeal out as they sealed the door would be "wait, I'm one of you, I thought we were friends!" I wonder if he even realizes that or if he's so far up his own ass he's blind to it

I'll probably wade into the poop with this assertion, but I have a feeling that when Milo says he's disavowed racism, I believe him. It is genuinely possible that he really thought he was just being funny and edgy and provoking and making big jokes without being aware that that gives shelter to people who mean it. We must know a thousand people like him; twelve year old mindsets who get off on pissing off the grownups. He just never outgrew it.

Think about that kid you knew in Junior High with the swastikas all over his Trapper Keeper. He wasn't making a political statement; his goal was to freak out the teachers. Now imagine he's making a thousand bucks per swastika. That's our man Milo.

A guy who disavows racists and Nazis only when confronted by a journalist hasn't really disavowed racists and Nazis.

He's an attention whore. If he threw the same amount of attention whoring energy into a disavowal tour as he did when he was willingly their mascot, then *maybe* people will believe that he isn't a racist.

Well, if anything good comes out of this thread, it's the fact that I've been able to farkie someone as "Stupid racist who thinks interracial marriages are doomed" and thus disregard its opinions in the future.

Ned Stark:It once came up here that i think interracial dating is probably a bad idea.

Which is really all that was ment. Interracial relationships blow up more often than ones that aren't. It's a bad idea in exactly the same way that, say, dating wildly out of your income bracket or education level is. There is simply a greater chance of sorrow and pain in your future.

But apparently I'm a hardcore defender of the purity of the whit race?

There aren't many, and they aren't really important enough to waste time being concerned with.

HotwingConspiracy just determinedly interperets moderate intensity dating advice as though it were a call for a eugenics program.

Wat?

It once came up here that i think interracial dating is probably a bad idea.

Which is really all that was ment. Interracial relationships blow up more often than ones that aren't. It's a bad idea in exactly the same way that, say, dating wildly out of your income bracket or education level is. There is simply a greater chance of sorrow and pain in your future.

But apparently I'm a hardcore defender of the purity of the whit race?

FortyHams:Bannon used Milo to bring together neo-nazi and gamergate assholes and sell them as the alt-right. With emails to prove it.

And it still makes no sense. It's really baffling. Bannon used the gay European NAMBLA enthusiast to attract Nazis, White Christian Nationalists, and people having conniptions over imaginary child abuse in a non-existent basement of a pizza joint.

Their hatred and loathing and fear of The Other is so damned powerful that it's made them all band together and mesh seamlessly.

Aided in no small part by their apologists, like the one we see here in this thread.

DO NOT WANT Poster Girl:fusillade762: Anybody make it through the whole thing? What do I need to know about these assholes other than the fact that they're hateful authoritarian dickbags?

Nothing new.

Milo is a sycophant on it for the cash.

Kisses Bannon-ass every chance he gets.

Milo has to beg for money and also maneuvers like a little biatch.

Mercers' accountants wire money directly to Milo.

Oh, and Breitbart types are cheap because they're flawed MFs.

One guy at $2.5K a month, another $30K a year...geez these mfs are cheap.

I like the part where one of the guys hammering on a piece on the alt right is getting a byline cause his name "sounds brown" then the same guy proceeds to hack Milo's social/mail accounts and charges an Airbnb to Milo's credit card....and Milo runs to Breitbart to cry a about it.

PanicMan:Also, I work with a mental health organization.The things you joke about are people suffering trauma. Microagressions aboslutely hurt people, especially vulnerable groups. And safe spaces save lives. Literally.

I used to laugh about safe spaces in the early days - until I actually met folk they had saved. Funnily enough, I met them after getting denied entry to a safe space. I dated a bisexual girl who went to one of the local Stonewall support groups - I accompanied her there one time and got refused entry. So I'm left outside, grumbling to myself when one of the kids (oh sweet Jebus, I'm old enough to say they were kids now) comes out for a smoke break and we start chatting. Turned out he'd attempted suicide twice because of the harassment he'd been getting since he came out, and it was only because of the group that he'd not attempted it a third time. Having somewhere where he absolutely knew he didn't have to worry about anyone attacking him because of who and what he was, and getting the support from people who could relate to his experience in a way I never could saved his life.

I met the rest of the group over the weeks, and I learned their stories. And that's about the point when I stopped being resentful when they all disappeared into the building without me and understood why they needed a safe space.

On top of being a racist and overall horrible person, the fact that Bannon doesn't spell out "are" and "you" and writes things like "Dude!!! LMAO! ... Epic" in emails makes him that much more despicable.

That's what I hated most. Ill admit I'm a closet milo video binge watcher. I hate the way the college campuses especially seem to have become breeding grounds for a new kind of fascist identity politics where whoever is the most aggrieved becomes the most influential. So . . . .I get off on watching him annihilate and trigger these pussy ass kids were raising.

But . . . that was really troubling. I'm not going to vote republican ever, and I don't support white supremacy or Nazis or any of that shiat. But. . . . like many people cited in that article,I am a long time leftist kind of pissed off with where we are going as a movement.

Its interesting how guys like milo and to a lesser extent Shapiro really resonate with many democrats who secretly despise snowflake liberalism but would almost never actually vote republican. People like me who want there to be freedom and equality but don't want to be lectured about how intolerant they are because they arent super comfy with whatever the latest identity politics trend is. Democrats who don't think cops are scum. Democrats who own guns and like guns. Democrats who believe in border security and don't want to be lectured on the cruelty of a wall or securing the border.

This is why the current gun debate is so important. Pushing away moderates and chastising them because they aren't as angry as you or angry with the same things is just foolish. Its partly why we have trump as our president.

To me that article painted milo as an attention seeking avaricious and obsequious kind of toady at the feet of real movers and shakers. It painted bannon as thinking he's the man, but really being the same kind of obsequious toady just to a higher level of boss. Also bannon comes off as . . . .just kind of dumb. Cunning no doubt. Able in some weird ways to navigate the halls and yachts of power well but ultimately just kind of simple and easily played.

peasandcarrots:Horizon: You know, there is a certain grim and morbid satisfaction from the knowledge that if these fascist farks truly took over, they'd stick farking Milo in a gas chamber too. His last words that he'd squeal out as they sealed the door would be "wait, I'm one of you, I thought we were friends!" I wonder if he even realizes that or if he's so far up his own ass he's blind to it

I'll probably wade into the poop with this assertion, but I have a feeling that when Milo says he's disavowed racism, I believe him. It is genuinely possible that he really thought he was just being funny and edgy and provoking and making big jokes without being aware that that gives shelter to people who mean it. We must know a thousand people like him; twelve year old mindsets who get off on pissing off the grownups. He just never outgrew it.

Think about that kid you knew in Junior High with the swastikas all over his Trapper Keeper. He wasn't making a political statement; his goal was to freak out the teachers. Now imagine he's making a thousand bucks per swastika. That's our man Milo.

Why does he use passwords that reference anti-jewish ideology and events? Who is that pissing off? Who is that a statement for?

That's the thing, though - it's not a "hate machine," but a "power machine." They created a transformer that turned disaffection, anger, and hate into political power, and then directed that political power as they saw fit. It's why they're so brash about their whole "legal defense" threat - Milo, Bannon, and others saw these assholes as malleable, and a bunch of these folks beat these assholes into a passable weapon of political war. They manufactured a power base that, while based on disaffection, anger, and hate, could be exploited without too much difficulty.

The fun part is realizing that, once "the endless tide of 1488 scum" read this, those racists and Nazis are going to be more than a little angry at Milo, and Bannon, and all the other assholes who laughed at them behind their backs even as they pitched and directed them to their faces. The "Master Race" wannabes just got manipulated by a gay Jewish guy.

No, see, he's just a brilliant provocateur. He's playing devil's advocate to show you libs how much you hate free speech. When he says Nazi things, it's because he's being hilariously and irreverently ironic.

Just because Milo's legions of fans are not being ironic and are, in fact, being quite literal with respect to establishing an ethno-nationalist state isn't an indictment of Milo himself.

He's simply being ironic. It's like that time I ironically pushed an old woman down the stairs. Sure, she got hurt really bad, but I was only joking when I did it.

Boxingoutsider:I know I'm in the minority, but I just hate identity politics. If you dont agree with me you dont think I should be alive or have rights. Which is bullshiat.

I think you should be hating the system more.

Women weren't viewed as equal, so they had to raise a fuss and complain and politics and get in people's faces until a change was made.Black people weren't viewed as equal, so they had to raise a fuss and complain and politics and get in people's faces until a change was made.Gay people weren't viewed as equal, so they had to raise a fuss and complain and politics and get in people's faces until a change was made.Trans people weren't viewed as equal, so they had to...

You could get pissed at trans people for making their issues part of the election, or you can get pissed at Republicans for making oppression part of their platform. Republicans make bathroom bills and ban trans soldiers from serving because they are trying to tap into people like you.

Republicans are the ones that make identity politics a thing. Democrats don't necessarily campaign on it.

Prank Call of Cthulhu:Magorn: Yarvin, a software engineer who under the nom de plume Mencius Moldbug helped create the "neoreactionary" movement, which holds that Enlightenment democracy has failed and that a return to feudalism and authoritarian rule is in order.

This...this is an actual thing? Here and Now?

Yes it is. Moldbug is one of those socially retarded ass-pies who is obsessed with "functional programming" (an idiotic approach to coding that resonates with folks who can see the world only in terms of black and white), and thinks authoritarianism is a great idea. Like most people who hold moronic views like that, he's not self-aware enough to realize that, if authoritarian rule were instituted, he'd be one of the first ones against the wall. But he's sure he's one of the supermen who will be allowed to rule the rest.

For some reason the Venn diagram of "likes Nazis," "takes video games way too seriously," "enjoys functional programming," "wears fedoras and describes self as a 'nice guy'," "can't get laid," "hates women" is pretty large.

Yeah in retrospect, I ran into a LOT of that Venn Diagram hanging around Sci-Fi Cons in the early 90's but I wasn't aware enough to know what I was looking at. They were almost all men, working in comp-sci jobs, had limited to non-existent social skills and grooming habits and most had a nasty case of the Madonna-whore complex to boot. They'd worship the women who actually went to cons, A lot less nerd girls back int he day)....right up to the point where the object of their affection turned them down, and then they often got angry and on occasion violent about that (Back then I was 6'2 and 325 my self and some of of that wasn't pure fat so Con security was my favorite gig) Eric Raymond was a fixture those cons who was sorta the archetype of the breed.

A smart friend of mine from those days who was a frequent object of those affections and is now a trained anthropologist tells me that toxic tribalism we see in Gamergate and elsewhere isn't new but festered in SF and Geek circle for a LONG time but was just a bit more muted because of the lack of a platform like the internet where people like that could find validation and reinforcement

aungen:I'm with Boxingoutsider on this one. Dem's went batshiat crazy and you're not allowed to think for yourself anymore. That's my experience, anyway.

Reclusive Republican billionaires are funding a racist media conspiracy to undermine the foundations of democracy with the tech industry that goes all the way to the highest levels of the White House and you complain about Democrats???

Boxingoutsider:shroom: JimmyTheHutt: Boxingoutsider: But keep telling me about how I vote and what I support.

You keep doing a fine job of that all on your own. So far, you don't support protections for marginalized groups like LGBTQ or PoC. You don't support police reform. You don't support any sort of restrictions on firearm ownership.

Sounds like a farking Republican to me.

I believe the term is "Fark Independent"

I believe its someone who votes democrat 99.99% of the time unless the Democrat is an overt criminal but because I dont use the right buzz words or hate the things you do with the same passion I'm a dino. You guys laugh your asses off at the republicans assaulting Rinos, but do the same thing here all the time. I love it actually. Its actually a little bit enjoyable to watch people try to ascribe all kinds of shiat to you just because you don't fall into lockstep with their views.

No it isnt. You want to be taken seriously as a wise sage who independently evaluates all things with a free mind and is respected for it. It's why you keep trying to define yourself that way. You hate it when people cast you off as a person not worth taking seriously.

Boxingoutsider:Where did I say fark them? How did I say that? This is precisely what I'm talking about. I dont use your language, dont fall into lock Step with your version of politics and I'm tossing them into gas chambers.

You. Youre the problem with the democratic party and politics as a whole. No more agree to disagree but still support the same stuff mostly. No more "well I see how you could think that", just purity tests, hot button issues that divide and invective if you don't toe the line. And this is on both sides.

Believe what I do or you are a Nazi. Believe what I do or you're a godless communist socialist atheist gay loving turtle marrying scum bag.

Nuance dude. Heres a quick fact. Many people who vote democrat loyally faithfully year after year, decade after decade think like me.

You were reveling in Milo upsetting and outing trans people earlier in the thread. You consider your issues as "short old ball player" to be the equivalent of one the marginalized groups targeted for violence most often.

You don't actually support the same stuff as the Democratic party. You don't support police reform. You don't support protections for marginalized groups. You don't support any restrictions on the 2nd Amendment. These are all your positions. That you've stated and owned. In this thread.

So, yeah, you're a farking Republican. You might as well just change your registration now. Because if you can't even get behind even the most basic principles of fairness and equality, and clearly, you can't, then get the fark out.

HotWingConspiracy:peasandcarrots: Horizon: You know, there is a certain grim and morbid satisfaction from the knowledge that if these fascist farks truly took over, they'd stick farking Milo in a gas chamber too. His last words that he'd squeal out as they sealed the door would be "wait, I'm one of you, I thought we were friends!" I wonder if he even realizes that or if he's so far up his own ass he's blind to it

I'll probably wade into the poop with this assertion, but I have a feeling that when Milo says he's disavowed racism, I believe him. It is genuinely possible that he really thought he was just being funny and edgy and provoking and making big jokes without being aware that that gives shelter to people who mean it. We must know a thousand people like him; twelve year old mindsets who get off on pissing off the grownups. He just never outgrew it.

Think about that kid you knew in Junior High with the swastikas all over his Trapper Keeper. He wasn't making a political statement; his goal was to freak out the teachers. Now imagine he's making a thousand bucks per swastika. That's our man Milo.

Why does he use passwords that reference anti-jewish ideology and events? Who is that pissing off? Who is that a statement for?

I think I'll defer to Mr. Vonnegut for this one:

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be."

/ I actually didn't think the book was that good, but I should probably re-read it, now that American Nazis are becoming a thing again

Horizon:You know, there is a certain grim and morbid satisfaction from the knowledge that if these fascist farks truly took over, they'd stick farking Milo in a gas chamber too. His last words that he'd squeal out as they sealed the door would be "wait, I'm one of you, I thought we were friends!" I wonder if he even realizes that or if he's so far up his own ass he's blind to it

The same with all his friends. Those 18 - 25 young keyboard warriors, truly convinced that in the dictatorial country they crave, they've the dictators. Mind you, it's just the same on the left - those who campaign for workers' committees to take supreme power invariably assume they'll be chairing those committees.

al's hat:goat012006: al's hat: Some Guy In A Waistcoat: PanicMan: Also, I work with a mental health organization.The things you joke about are people suffering trauma. Microagressions aboslutely hurt people, especially vulnerable groups. And safe spaces save lives. Literally.

I used to laugh about safe spaces in the early days - until I actually met folk they had saved. Funnily enough, I met them after getting denied entry to a safe space. I dated a bisexual girl who went to one of the local Stonewall support groups - I accompanied her there one time and got refused entry. So I'm left outside, grumbling to myself when one of the kids (oh sweet Jebus, I'm old enough to say they were kids now) comes out for a smoke break and we start chatting. Turned out he'd attempted suicide twice because of the harassment he'd been getting since he came out, and it was only because of the group that he'd not attempted it a third time. Having somewhere where he absolutely knew he didn't have to worry about anyone attacking him because of who and what he was, and getting the support from people who could relate to his experience in a way I never could saved his life.

I met the rest of the group over the weeks, and I learned their stories. And that's about the point when I stopped being resentful when they all disappeared into the building without me and understood why they needed a safe space.

Valuable insight. Thank you.

Was just going to say it, you beat me to it. Touching, insightful, and spot the fark on. I like the cut of your jib good sir.

And I the cut of yours. Thank you.

Nice story, I had a similar experience. I had a group of friends who ran the gamut of LGBT. I used to hang out with them all the time and attended many of their parties. The primary couple at the head of the group was one of my best friends and I had spent most of my socialization with them and in their house. One weekend I found out that they had a HUGE party that was a blast, which I was not invited to. I got pretty hurt about it as I knew 90% of the attendees and 75% were considered close friends.

A few weeks later I brought it up with a chip on my shoulder. My friend patiently explained to me that I was the only cis-gendered white hetero male in the group and that the party was focused on the identity of LGBT. While they were all my friends, it wasn't a space designed for me. It was a LGBT party and the party was meant to be a place where they could all be themselves without worry. Even though I "was cool about things" I still was outside that circle. My non-invite was not meant as insult but as a protection of their friends and their good night. I got it and apologized for my behavior due to it and ended up discussing this with multiple other attendees.

People like to pretend that safe spaces are new or just for "millennials". While the official title is a new thing, but they concept has been around for a long time. Safe spaces are a thing which are important to everyone. Everyone seeks out safe spaces. For some these are a refuge from harassment or abuse. Others they are a place where they feel they can fully express themselves without fear of retribution or harassment. Safe spaces are anywhere that you isolate a group to feel safe/comfortable. Good old boy clubs are safe spaces. Guys night in the cabin/icehouse is a safe space. Kink nights/shows are a safe space. Girl talk is a safe space. When I don't invite X over because they are going to piss of Y, I am creating a safe space.

Boxingoutsider:Elliot8654: Boxingoutsider: Elliot8654: Boxingoutsider: Elliot8654: Boxingoutsider: Elliot8654: Boxingoutsider: sigdiamond2000: Can you imagine waking up and feeling compelled to defend Milo Yiannopolis and Steve Bannon on the internet all morning?

Im a tiny bit of a milo fan and I'm not defending him. I actually don't think anyone is.

I don't get how you can be a fan of him.

He is what 4chan looks like when they think they are trying to be christopher hitchens, given human form.

I like watching people squirm. He makes people I think are ridiculous squirm. Enemy of my enemy kind of deal.

Just because I like to watch him make pussies squirm doesnt mean I fall in lock Step with his views. But here, and in modern society admitting I watch his videos and laugh makes me a Nazi

Terrible reason to be a fan of someone, but that's your bag, so hey. Stigginit-type attitude is what got us the most internationally despised president in history. What could go wrong?

You never had a guilty pleasure? I like public freakout videos too, but I usually feel bad for the participants.

Im honest and stand up about it. Ill take whatever criticism people want to hurl. The dudes a professional troll. I just like that he trolls people I think are ruining my party.

please explain why trolling is at all worthy of even a guilty pleasure? Either you don't believe what you are saying and you are intentionally lying to upset people, in which case they are a shiatbag.

Or he actually believes what he says, and is legit a shiatbag.

Either way, its complete nonsense.

Are you kidding ? Trolling people for fun is an ancient tradition.

Watching people get trolled is the same. Theres tv shows about it, umpteen youtubers doing it to the tune of millions of views a day.

Its not moral, its not right, you wouldnt want your mom to get trolled and get angry and act a fool. But . . . .it can be funny and a guilty pleasure. Like the freakout videos. ,I feel sorry for most of the freaker outers. Wish they would not have had an embarrassing moment caught on video. But. . . .like many many others I will watch for a little guilty entertainment.

Call me weird then, but watching others suffer doesn't bring me joy. And in all the cases so far where youtube people or tv shows "troll" people, it ends with letting them in on the joke.

I really don't like my ex now, but she was raped when she was a teenager by her first boyfriend and we both agree that was terrible. If someone decided to "troll" her that rape victims are at fault for getting raped, i would feel zero percent bad when she takes his knees out with a baseball bat.

Me neither. Crush rapists and people who would troll rape victims about their rape.

These people can't be let in on the joke because to them its not a joke. To them if I dont respect your desire to choose a new gender identity whenever you want I'm denying their right to live. When in fact I'm saying "no, youre a dude who thinks hes different things on different days. Youre not a woman, a dragon, a wolf, or an attack helicopter" and that doenst make me trans phobic. I don't care what you "identify" as.

So you are fine with people trolling, but just over topics you approve of? Gender is fine, rape isn't. Should i tell gun nuts their kids deserve it when they get killed? Or is that inappropriate? What about sexual assault victim, telling them they muat have been at least partially to blame?

And if you think it shouldn't be trolled about (like rape) but someone else does, aren't you in the same boat as us "snowflakes"?

Boxingoutsider:I know I'm in the minority, but I just hate identity politics. If you dont agree with me you dont think I should be alive or have rights. Which is bullshiat.

LOLWUT

I presume you mean the last full sentence to be your summation of what you think people who support "identity politics" believe? So in your mind, a BLM supporter would wish you dead if you don't go march with them? Um, have you met a human recently?! (Note: people may yell at you on Twitter or call you racist if you ignore a cause that primary affects the civil rights of another race and thus makes it easy for you to ignore because you apparently don't know anyone of that race. I dont' think this counts as taking away your rights?!)

In contrast, "identity politics" (read, "civil rights") has given us more police accountability for shooting of the innocent (and/or minor criminals) who happen to be black, more rights for gay and trans people, and an attempt at more diversity in politics, which generally helps reduce a close-minded culture.

You gotta hand it to Fox News; they've done an excellent job of convincing the world that "identity politics" means that a minority should get a job, no matter how unqualified they are. As usual, Fox News is deliberately wrong.

There aren't many, and they aren't really important enough to waste time being concerned with.

HotwingConspiracy just determinedly interperets moderate intensity dating advice as though it were a call for a eugenics program.

Wat?

It once came up here that i think interracial dating is probably a bad idea.

Which is really all that was ment. Interracial relationships blow up more often than ones that aren't. It's a bad idea in exactly the same way that, say, dating wildly out of your income bracket or education level is. There is simply a greater chance of sorrow and pain in your future.

But apparently I'm a hardcore defender of the purity of the whit race?

Cbillrun:Lol you libs are absolute fascists nuts. Pot calling kettle black. What a lot of nothing in this long winded article. Once again I am deeply embarrassed for anyone who believes Milo is a racist or nazi. Sad

He's happy to spread for bread. He worked with everyone - didn't matter if they were Nazis, teabaggers, white nationalists, Gamergate goobers, disaffected neckbeards, what have you - because it got him paid, got him validated, and got his boss to gush about him. He was just excited to be part of it all, and so happily, blithely, wallowed in it all. No line he wouldn't cross, no one he wouldn't work with, if it allowed him to push Bannon's agenda and get Bannon's praise.

And look what he got for it - no longer under Bannon's thumb, the Mercers are bankrolling Milo directly now. He did his job, and he's enjoying his reward.

Clearly there was more than "journalism" at work here. It was clearly an orchestrated attempt to rile up the lunatic fringe and create a movement. Unsurprisingly the Mercers, Bannon et al play into the Russian interference story too.

Here we go. Joke about it and your "phobic" great example of precisely what I'm talking about.

Thanks for playing.

See here's the funny thin about Humor. "Joking" can either be a way for the otherwise powerless to "speak truth to power" and redress inequality, or it can be used by the powerful to further belittle and marginalize. We have another name for the latter, it's called "bullying", and frankly its's the most craven, cowardly form of bullying, the kind where the bully gets to spew their hateful mean garbage, but then shield themselves from the blowback of their actions and play the victim if the target takes offense because "I was only joking"

And your example is a wonderful evocation of what makes the alt-right tick:"If I don't agree with your desire to identify as a"

So who the fark ASKED you to "agree"/approve/or otherwise sign off on SOMEONE ELSE's decisions? ALL you are asked to do is not be a dick to someone, and respect them , or even just not go out of your way not to oppose them,

And it's too much for you and yours. In a way I understand. You are White males in a system that is DESIGNED from the ground up to confer upon you EVERY possible societal advantage, and still you generally fail at completing life's basic tasks: achieving financial security, having a lasting, meaningful intimate relationship, reproducing. And so rather than take stock and realize there is something wrong with YOU and do some real work to fix it, you blame society, you play the victim even though you started life winning the genetic lottery. And when people do thing of which you do not "agree" well that's infuriating because it drives home just how powerless you are and how even your privilege, which already failed you is getting thinner and less useful by the day

One issue is the false equivalence, elevating "antifa" since Charlottesville, so we get a 'both sides are bad' issue instead of GODDAMNNAZISINAMERICANANDTHEWHITEHOUSE!

At one point, articles about antifa post-Charlottesville actually outnumbered those of the alt-right/white nationalists/Nazis who MARCHED WITH TORCHES AND CHANTED 'JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US'. National Review called them 'twin cancers.' CNN did an 'unmasking antifa', etc, etc.

Which is not to say there aren't legit criticisms of the far-left, but, wholly sh*t fark, people, we're talking about literal Nazis, and they worked in the f*cking White House advising the President, hiring staff, and, at one point, were on the National Security Council.

Boxingoutsider:JerseyTim: This really is a terrific piece of journalism.

On top of being a racist and overall horrible person, the fact that Bannon doesn't spell out "are" and "you" and writes things like "Dude!!! LMAO! ... Epic" in emails makes him that much more despicable.

That's what I hated most. Ill admit I'm a closet milo video binge watcher. I hate the way the college campuses especially seem to have become breeding grounds for a new kind of fascist identity politics where whoever is the most aggrieved becomes the most influential. So . . . .I get off on watching him annihilate and trigger these pussy ass kids were raising.

But . . . that was really troubling. I'm not going to vote republican ever, and I don't support white supremacy or Nazis or any of that shiat. But. . . . like many people cited in that article,I am a long time leftist kind of pissed off with where we are going as a movement.

Its interesting how guys like milo and to a lesser extent Shapiro really resonate with many democrats who secretly despise snowflake liberalism but would almost never actually vote republican. People like me who want there to be freedom and equality but don't want to be lectured about how intolerant they are because they arent super comfy with whatever the latest identity politics trend is. Democrats who don't think cops are scum. Democrats who own guns and like guns. Democrats who believe in border security and don't want to be lectured on the cruelty of a wall or securing the border.

This is why the current gun debate is so important. Pushing away moderates and chastising them because they aren't as angry as you or angry with the same things is just foolish. Its partly why we have trump as our president.

To me that article painted milo as an attention seeking avaricious and obsequious kind of toady at the feet of real movers and shakers. It painted bannon as thinking he's the man, but really being the same kind of obsequious toady just to a higher level of boss. Also bannon comes off as . . . .just kind of dumb. Cunning no doubt. Able in some weird ways to navigate the halls and yachts of power well but ultimately just kind of simple and easily played.

Gonna go out on a limb and guess that you're a white middle class male. Not that's a bad thing. It's just that it's easy for you to be drawn to his ideaology because it's liw stakes for you. If the Milo and the Bannons of the world hold power, you're fine. White, middle class males will continue to be most powerful in society. If liberals hold power, you'd still be fine but maybe not the default power setting or centered in discussions. So it can feel like liberalism is going in the wrong direction because from your position, it's shifting power away from you.

And I think the college campus snowflake bullshiat it based on cherry picked campuses and push polls. Colleges are still popping out just as many Nazi sympathizing, khaki wearing Young Republicans as they are graduating hairy-pitted, tatted SJWs.

Ned Stark:It once came up here that i think interracial dating is probably a bad idea.

Which is really all that was ment. Interracial relationships blow up more often than ones that aren't. It's a bad idea in exactly the same way that, say, dating wildly out of your income bracket or education level is. There is simply a greater chance of sorrow and pain in your future.

But apparently I'm a hardcore defender of the purity of the whit race?

Espousing racist ideology is a good way to get classified as a racist. Avoid that in the future, whether you believe it to be true or not.

Which is really all that was ment. Interracial relationships blow up more often than ones that aren't. It's a bad idea in exactly the same way that, say, dating wildly out of your income bracket or education level is. There is simply a greater chance of sorrow and pain in your future.

But apparently I'm a hardcore defender of the purity of the whit race?

unless you can come up with some stats, this sounds like BS "Interracial relationships blow up more often than ones that aren't."

I'll agree dating wildly out of your income bracket or education level is a bad idea, which i suspect might be what happens most often with the prior statement

You don't think what race you are has an important impact on the way you interact with the world and hence your ultimate worldview, personality, set of beliefs, etc, in the same way that having money or education will? If so, i'm pretty sure you need to check your privilige.

Or do you believe, rather, that the differences in worldview, beliefs, personality, etc. That arise because of race are uniquely except from causing tension in a relationship in exactly the same way as those asising from money or whatever by some mysterious force? Why woul this be so?

Look, man, your interpretation is dumb on its face. I have not lived in the US for six years. I've dated women from Spain, Ghana, Taiwan, Mexico, Italy, Japan, Thailand, and many more. Never has race mattered. Culture came up sometimes but never race. Why is how a person looks relevant as long as you find them hot?

.....and boy can all the flavors of the world be incredibly hot. There's gorgeous women EVERYWHERE. You just have to lift that veil off your eyes.

Boxingoutsider:Safe spaces, micro aggressions, that stuff is already permeating society. Look at that article and how Google employees got mad because the stupid reminder was identified as male.

How small a reminder that your race is inferior and that people in power don't want you to have your job, your place in school, your place in society is too small for you to care about? I mean, and this is going to take this super-hard thing called "empathy," is is somewhere below random fans calling Terelle Pryor the n-word as he walks into the stadium? Is it somewhere above random dudes accosting Asian students at our local college telling them to "go back to their country?" Perhaps the people who get triggered by "press 1 for English" deserve a safe space, after all. It may be hilarious to watch Milo embarrass poor debaters because he's comfortable debasing himself in public for that sweet cheddar, but do you really think that the world would be better if we were all more like Milo and trashing everyone for having empathy?

Some of this is inevitably trolling. Lord knows the best thing to get people spun up is Nazism. But here is where shiat got real for me. At Charlottsville, a whole mess of people were willing to step out from the keyboard and parade around in meatspace. Now, an actual troll would have shown up, seen a dude in a Klan robe, or realized that David "Daisy" Duke was there, and realized that shiat was serious and bailed. These guys didn't DO that, because they were cool with it. The Nazi/Kekke/Klan/Whatever axis believed that the election of Trump signaled the fact that America was ready to tolerate them. I believe this because David "Daisy" Duke SAID so. IN WRITING via twitter.

These guys need to be smacked the frakk down. If they smell tolerance, shiat will get worse.

On top of being a racist and overall horrible person, the fact that Bannon doesn't spell out "are" and "you" and writes things like "Dude!!! LMAO! ... Epic" in emails makes him that much more despicable.

This.

Bannon comes across as weirdly inarticulate -- borderline illiterate -- for a guy who is ostensibly intelligent, and, weirder, works in the media.

JimmyTheHutt:Boxingoutsider: But keep telling me about how I vote and what I support.

You keep doing a fine job of that all on your own. So far, you don't support protections for marginalized groups like LGBTQ or PoC. You don't support police reform. You don't support any sort of restrictions on firearm ownership.

Boxingoutsider:But keep telling me about how I vote and what I support.

You keep doing a fine job of that all on your own. So far, you don't support protections for marginalized groups like LGBTQ or PoC. You don't support police reform. You don't support any sort of restrictions on firearm ownership.

Ned Stark:loonatic112358: Ned Stark: It once came up here that i think interracial dating is probably a bad idea.

Which is really all that was ment. Interracial relationships blow up more often than ones that aren't. It's a bad idea in exactly the same way that, say, dating wildly out of your income bracket or education level is. There is simply a greater chance of sorrow and pain in your future.

But apparently I'm a hardcore defender of the purity of the whit race?

unless you can come up with some stats, this sounds like BS "Interracial relationships blow up more often than ones that aren't."

I'll agree dating wildly out of your income bracket or education level is a bad idea, which i suspect might be what happens most often with the prior statement

You don't think what race you are has an important impact on the way you interact with the world and hence your ultimate worldview, personality, set of beliefs, etc, in the same way that having money or education will? If so, i'm pretty sure you need to check your privilige.

Or do you believe, rather, that the differences in worldview, beliefs, personality, etc. That arise because of race are uniquely except from causing tension in a relationship in exactly the same way as those asising from money or whatever by some mysterious force? Why woul this be so?

Look, man, your interpretation is dumb on its face. I have not lived in the US for six years. I've dated women from Spain, Ghana, Taiwan, Mexico, Italy, Japan, Thailand, and many more. Never has race mattered. Culture came up sometimes but never race. Why is how a person looks relevant as long as you find them hot?

While I like the "I just like Milo enough to defend him for 4 hours on the internet" thread, and the "Whites and blacks shouldn't marry" conversations, I started this thread laughing at the guy asking us to trust Milo.

Now I'm just sad after reading that Zoe Quinn stuff. Like, actually sad. Milo was always bullshiat said in a nice accent, but clearly, the growth was bigger than it was assumed by me.

Ned Stark:I absolutely condone interracial realationships. Not once have I ever claimed that being involved in one was wrong in any way.

I'll start off by saying that this part is in no way an attack - but you don't 'absolutely' condone them, given you advise people to stay out of them because you believe they're doomed to fail. You accept them, but maintain it's a bad idea. And that's part of the point.

So let's recap (because this has been a very long thread). As far as I understand from the posts you've made in the thread, you advise against mixed-race relationships because of a high divorce rate that means, to you, that they're doomed failure through tensions that arise because of different ethnic backgrounds. Then you're told that a suggested theory was that the divorces weren't so much backgrounds of the couple so much as the external influences that range from outright racism, to smaller scales of discrimination and social acceptance and influence and don't quite understand why anyone would think your attitude plays into this - especially the last part about social influence.

It doesn't make you a racist (well, unless you insist the divorces can only be because of irreconcilable differences between races in the face of more likely theories put forward by the folk that actively study these things), and that's not what I'm accusing you of being. But I am saying that by telling people that interracial relationships are a thing to be avoided, you're contributing to the smaller factors that put pressure on those relationships in the first place. You help create the very situation you warn people about. You might not mean to. You might never have wanted to. But it's what you're doing.

Boxingoutsider:To them if I dont respect your desire to choose a new gender identity whenever you want I'm denying their right to live. When in fact I'm saying "no, youre a dude who thinks hes different things on different days. Youre not a woman, a dragon, a wolf, or an attack helicopter" and that doenst make me trans phobic.

Look at it this way: by perpetuating the 'attack helicopter' meme, you are making it so much easier for others to spread the mockery and marginalisation to 'actual' transsexuals. More to the point, it lets you rationalise siding with a person who actively maligns trans people and tells people to attack them.

"Never feel bad for mocking a transgender person. It is our job to point out their absurdity, to not make the problem worse by pretending they are normal. Much like fat-shaming, if our mockery drives them to get the help they need, we may save their life."

Ned Stark:definitely stop quoting my own position back at me as though it were something new.

If that's your position, then you need to learn how to communicate it. The way you write it and then defend it sucks. Your conclusion that it "should be avoided" is a lightning rod and a bad conclusion and you should know better.

Boxingoutsider:America first and build a wall dont make someone a Nazi dude.

"America first" it should be pointed out was absolutely a white supremacist, Nazi sympathizer slogan. Why should we help out against the Germans? Let's think of America First. I didn't create it, and we're allowed to look to history because words mean things.

Go talk to the adoring crowds from the upper rust belt about why they think "the wall" will brighten their lives so much. It may not be Nazi reasons, but I bet i has a lot to do with Mexicans being an invading horde of rapists and murderers, just like our President said.

The Envoy:Ned Stark: It once came up here that i think interracial dating is probably a bad idea.

Which is really all that was ment.

All. ALL? What the actual fark?

*looks around the room* Can anybody help me out, or was that exactly as farking disgusting, disturbed and retarded as it appears to be?

Ned is apparently unaware that white people are completely capable of crashing and burning almost every serious relationship they enter with other whites. I've been happily married for almost 14 years and I have three serious, adult relationships that absolutely DIAF without any of his supposed magic disaster powder that comes from mixing races.

How about this, Ned: instead of saying "never date a brown person because it is hard" you could say "dating outside your race requires you to recognize the differences that American society pushes on people of different races, and navigating that can be a challenge." Or do whatever... it is a free country. You don't need our approval. Just don't whine that we aren't all jumping onboard.

tuxq:I'm just wondering when all of you realize we're being pitted against each other for the "betterment" of the rich. Drop the left and right think ... it's ALL propaganda.

Yes, we should certainly join forces with people who talk about how us or our family or our friends (or just other people) are subhuman. It's definitely our responsibility to join forces with despicable people because once we eat the rich they will suddenly be filled with brotherly love and compassion.

Magorn:Yarvin, a software engineer who under the nom de plume Mencius Moldbug helped create the "neoreactionary" movement, which holds that Enlightenment democracy has failed and that a return to feudalism and authoritarian rule is in order.

This...this is an actual thing? Here and Now?

Yes it is. Moldbug is one of those socially retarded ass-pies who is obsessed with "functional programming" (an idiotic approach to coding that resonates with folks who can see the world only in terms of black and white), and thinks authoritarianism is a great idea. Like most people who hold moronic views like that, he's not self-aware enough to realize that, if authoritarian rule were instituted, he'd be one of the first ones against the wall. But he's sure he's one of the supermen who will be allowed to rule the rest.

For some reason the Venn diagram of "likes Nazis," "takes video games way too seriously," "enjoys functional programming," "wears fedoras and describes self as a 'nice guy'," "can't get laid," "hates women" is pretty large.

Ned Stark:It once came up here that i think interracial dating is probably a bad idea.

Which is really all that was ment. Interracial relationships blow up more often than ones that aren't. It's a bad idea in exactly the same way that, say, dating wildly out of your income bracket or education level is. There is simply a greater chance of sorrow and pain in your future.

But apparently I'm a hardcore defender of the purity of the whit race?

Funny thing is, most places that cite the massive failure rate of interracial marriages usually bring up the L. Bratter and Rosalind B. King study which relied on a small sample size, and with the highest peak of interracial marriage failures happening with couples who were together in the late 80's - which were understandably not a great time to be an interracial couplein the US or UK (hell, the 90's weren't great either: we had a local group of assholes who took exception to my mother dating a black man when I was a kid which started with bricks through windows and culminated in an attempt to set the whole apartment block on fire).

The later study by Yaunting Zhang and Jennifer Van Hook used a larger sample size and couples who had gotten together in a later time period which shows that, while racial differences and difficulties were cited as a factor in the divorce, the divorce rates themselves were more on par with the average for same-ethnicity pairings. Hell, white/asian marriages actually pulled ahead in terms of stability.

There aren't many, and they aren't really important enough to waste time being concerned with.

HotwingConspiracy just determinedly interperets moderate intensity dating advice as though it were a call for a eugenics program.

Wat?

It once came up here that i think interracial dating is probably a bad idea.

Which is really all that was ment. Interracial relationships blow up more often than ones that aren't. It's a bad idea in exactly the same way that, say, dating wildly out of your income bracket or education level is. There is simply a greater chance of sorrow and pain in your future.

But apparently I'm a hardcore defender of the purity of the whit race?

No, it just means you're shiatty at dating and at drawing conclusions.

Ned Stark:It once came up here that i think interracial dating is probably a bad idea.

Which is really all that was ment. Interracial relationships blow up more often than ones that aren't. It's a bad idea in exactly the same way that, say, dating wildly out of your income bracket or education level is. There is simply a greater chance of sorrow and pain in your future.

But apparently I'm a hardcore defender of the purity of the whit race?

peasandcarrots:Horizon: You know, there is a certain grim and morbid satisfaction from the knowledge that if these fascist farks truly took over, they'd stick farking Milo in a gas chamber too. His last words that he'd squeal out as they sealed the door would be "wait, I'm one of you, I thought we were friends!" I wonder if he even realizes that or if he's so far up his own ass he's blind to it

I'll probably wade into the poop with this assertion, but I have a feeling that when Milo says he's disavowed racism, I believe him. It is genuinely possible that he really thought he was just being funny and edgy and provoking and making big jokes without being aware that that gives shelter to people who mean it. We must know a thousand people like him; twelve year old mindsets who get off on pissing off the grownups. He just never outgrew it.

Think about that kid you knew in Junior High with the swastikas all over his Trapper Keeper. He wasn't making a political statement; his goal was to freak out the teachers. Now imagine he's making a thousand bucks per swastika. That's our man Milo.

This has become a fairly typical Fark politics thread. Lots of "both sides do it," lots of "Im not really a right wing Nazi," lots of "Democrats did this to themselves because they don't listen to the other side."

Im not sure any of that is important. I think what is important is that we still don't have a handle on internet media, and that such a stupid bunch of idiots (and Im not talking about their views as much as I am their base ignorance on any number of issues) could sway people so much. Not to say that this couldn't happen before...but not to this extent, and not with such ease and simplicity, and not for so low of a price.

And thats not even taking into consideration the issue that much of this media was supported by Russian propaganda efforts on Facebook and Twitter with the intent on stirring the pot.

Ned Stark:Some Guy In A Waistcoat: Ned Stark: Or do you believe, rather, that the differences in worldview, beliefs, personality, etc. That arise because of race are uniquely except from causing tension in a relationship in exactly the same way as those asising from money or whatever by some mysterious force? Why woul this be so?

Nobody is claiming that it doesn't have the potential to cause tension.

So we're all secretly on the same page and im getting called a nazi gamergator altright racist because... reasons?

No. You are getting called out because you have the cold-hearted arrogance to advise people not to date outside their race. Who the f&ck are you to be saying such a thing?

JimmyTheHutt:Boxingoutsider: No ones saying to be a dick to any marginalised group.

Bullshiat. That's exactly what you're saying. Because you don't get them. You don't get trans people, you don't get gay people, you don't PoC. So fark 'em.

You are a farking Republican with less courage than Milo.

Where did I say fark them? How did I say that? This is precisely what I'm talking about. I dont use your language, dont fall into lock Step with your version of politics and I'm tossing them into gas chambers.

You. Youre the problem with the democratic party and politics as a whole. No more agree to disagree but still support the same stuff mostly. No more "well I see how you could think that", just purity tests, hot button issues that divide and invective if you don't toe the line. And this is on both sides.

Believe what I do or you are a Nazi. Believe what I do or you're a godless communist socialist atheist gay loving turtle marrying scum bag.

Nuance dude. Heres a quick fact. Many people who vote democrat loyally faithfully year after year, decade after decade think like me.

shastacola:God, the Trumpsters here trying to dismiss this as "blog wars" instead of, you know, actual proof that Brietbart has real ties to nazis and white supremists. Oh, and the King of Brietbart had (and probably still has) the ear of the POTUS. Nothing to see here folks, move along.

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The real meat of the story to me is bannon because hes actually close to power, real close at one time, and he's a true believer in this shiat. That's the scariest thing.

Ned Stark:You don't think what race you are has an important impact on the way you interact with the world and hence your ultimate worldview, personality, set of beliefs, etc, in the same way that having money or education will? If so, i'm pretty sure you need to check your privilige.

Or do you believe, rather, that the differences in worldview, beliefs, personality, etc. That arise because of race are uniquely except from causing tension in a relationship in exactly the same way as those asising from money or whatever by some mysterious force? Why woul this be so?

Rapmaster2000:goat012006: I'm going to need a citation for your claim. A perfunctory Google search shows that white men marrying black women have THE LOWEST divorce rate out there. So, is your view out of "concern" or do you want to admit that you just don't like it because reasons?

/married to a black woman//10 years///We still giggle and hug like a teenage crush

There aren't many, and they aren't really important enough to waste time being concerned with.

HotwingConspiracy just determinedly interperets moderate intensity dating advice as though it were a call for a eugenics program.

Wat?

It once came up here that i think interracial dating is probably a bad idea.

Which is really all that was ment. Interracial relationships blow up more often than ones that aren't. It's a bad idea in exactly the same way that, say, dating wildly out of your income bracket or education level is. There is simply a greater chance of sorrow and pain in your future.

But apparently I'm a hardcore defender of the purity of the whit race?

I'm going to need a citation for your claim. A perfunctory Google search shows that white men marrying black women have THE LOWEST divorce rate out there. So, is your view out of "concern" or do you want to admit that you just don't like it because reasons?

/married to a black woman//10 years///We still giggle and hug like a teenage crush

I am going to have to let my three mixed race children know that:A) mommy and daddy's 10 year loving relationship is doomed to failB) Because of science, I PROMISE, they are going to get the HIVC) since interracial stuff is just anti-science AND God at the same time, as well as daaaaangerous (ooga ) they are harmful galactic sinners on both a spiritual AND biological level....worse than redheads and southpaws

Horizon:You know, there is a certain grim and morbid satisfaction from the knowledge that if these fascist farks truly took over, they'd stick farking Milo in a gas chamber too. His last words that he'd squeal out as they sealed the door would be "wait, I'm one of you, I thought we were friends!" I wonder if he even realizes that or if he's so far up his own ass he's blind to it

I'll probably wade into the poop with this assertion, but I have a feeling that when Milo says he's disavowed racism, I believe him. It is genuinely possible that he really thought he was just being funny and edgy and provoking and making big jokes without being aware that that gives shelter to people who mean it. We must know a thousand people like him; twelve year old mindsets who get off on pissing off the grownups. He just never outgrew it.

Think about that kid you knew in Junior High with the swastikas all over his Trapper Keeper. He wasn't making a political statement; his goal was to freak out the teachers. Now imagine he's making a thousand bucks per swastika. That's our man Milo.

Ned Stark:No, I don't believe that. Stop turning the intensity of things to 11inside your own head and then blaming me for the resultant nonsense.

Okay, so you're apparently warning people off because of a 20% chance of failure in marriage, based on a cherry-picked portion of a study that's increasingly irrelevant as said relationships become more common and marriage less so. The point here is that you're still advocating for avoidance of mixed-race coupling based on a faulty premise.

People simply aren't the fragile little glass statues you're imagining them to be here. No one is ending their marriage because someone somewhere is aware of a demographic fact that suggests the marriage is 20% more likely to fail. They've got real problems to deal with.

No, they aren't so fragile as to crumble under one person telling everyone to avoid the relationships because they're more likely to fail. And I never said that was the case. But when you have multiple people saying that, amongst everything else - the higher prevalence of firsthand racism, hostilities from families and other groups, harassment of their children for being mixed-race; it's placing another straw on the proverbial dromedary's back. If everyone is telling you your relationship won't succeed for various reasons, guess what happens?

Dang It Ned. You've backed yourself into a corner here. I feel for ya.

My dad told me, when I introduced him to my black girlfriend (later to be wife) that I should be mindful of the pitfalls of interracial relationships. He wasn't saying don't do it, he wasn't trying to discourage me (matter of fact he elbowed me in the ribs and said she was hot lol). He was matter of factly pointing out to be mindful of how I behave, respond, and talk within the frame of our relationship. He knew that since I could NEVER EVER fully relate to her experience as a black woman in America, that I was in peril of stumbling over my own whiteness, as it were, and farking it up.

Is that what you've been trying to say? Because, love ya buddy, but you've done a shiat job lol.

Ker_Thwap:Ned Stark: Some Guy In A Waistcoat: Ned Stark: Do you suspect that a lot of people who arent in mixed race relationships face racial abuse based on their mixed relationships(which they don't have)? Because I'm pretty sure actually being in an interracial relationship will have an impact on how often that happens.

Isn't that the point I just made, and that the study alluded to? That there will be problems in mixed-race relationships suffer tension borne from societal attitudes and treatment? At least, I think it is because those two sentences barely made any sense.

Howzat? I've never abused a mixed race couple in my life. Why would I?

Abuse was never mentioned. Attitude was. You [and that's the general 'you', not the specific) can still make life hard for a mixed couple without putting on a white hood. When people say "there're still certain attitudes and views that cause issues for mixed-race couples", and you say "Exactly! That's why I don't condone those relationships at all", that should be a point where you (that's the specific 'you' this time, not the general) badly need to be taught about the concept of 'self-fulfilling prophecy'.

I absolutely condone interracial realationships. Not once have I ever claimed that being involved in one was wrong in any way.

Shouldn't you be busy reading that study that you linked to, and apologizing for posting that infographic?

I just read that study. Wow, that infographic is some of the worst cherry picking bullshiat data interpretation I've seen in a long time, and I've seen some shiat. That study didn't even remotely conclude what that infographic is supposedly "proving". The yellow people is a nice racist touch too

Ned Stark:Do you suspect that a lot of people who arent in mixed race relationships face racial abuse based on their mixed relationships(which they don't have)? Because I'm pretty sure actually being in an interracial relationship will have an impact on how often that happens.

Isn't that the point I just made, and that the study alluded to? That there will be problems in mixed-race relationships suffer tension borne from societal attitudes and treatment? At least, I think it is because those two sentences barely made any sense.

Howzat? I've never abused a mixed race couple in my life. Why would I?

Abuse was never mentioned. Attitude was. You [and that's the general 'you', not the specific) can still make life hard for a mixed couple without putting on a white hood. When people say "there're still certain attitudes and views that cause issues for mixed-race couples", and you say "Exactly! That's why I don't condone those relationships at all", that should be a point where you (that's the specific 'you' this time, not the general) badly need to be taught about the concept of 'self-fulfilling prophecy'.

If you marriage falls apart because of racist abuse, it's still gone. There are a lot of assholes for you to point a finger at, and boy are they guilty as sin, but it's still your personal life in shambles.

See this is the thing - you presented the argument as if the divorces were prevalent through sheer dint of dating outside your ethnic group. Intentional or not, that's how it's being read. But then when you read that perhaps it's because of societal attitudes towards mixed race couples and essentially say "I'm against mixed-race relationships because they'll only face adversity from people against mixed-race relationships", it makes you part of that exact same problem.

Boxingoutsider:Elliot8654: Boxingoutsider: Elliot8654: Boxingoutsider: Elliot8654: Boxingoutsider: sigdiamond2000: Can you imagine waking up and feeling compelled to defend Milo Yiannopolis and Steve Bannon on the internet all morning?

Im a tiny bit of a milo fan and I'm not defending him. I actually don't think anyone is.

I don't get how you can be a fan of him.

He is what 4chan looks like when they think they are trying to be christopher hitchens, given human form.

I like watching people squirm. He makes people I think are ridiculous squirm. Enemy of my enemy kind of deal.

Just because I like to watch him make pussies squirm doesnt mean I fall in lock Step with his views. But here, and in modern society admitting I watch his videos and laugh makes me a Nazi

Terrible reason to be a fan of someone, but that's your bag, so hey. Stigginit-type attitude is what got us the most internationally despised president in history. What could go wrong?

You never had a guilty pleasure? I like public freakout videos too, but I usually feel bad for the participants.

Im honest and stand up about it. Ill take whatever criticism people want to hurl. The dudes a professional troll. I just like that he trolls people I think are ruining my party.

please explain why trolling is at all worthy of even a guilty pleasure? Either you don't believe what you are saying and you are intentionally lying to upset people, in which case they are a shiatbag.

Or he actually believes what he says, and is legit a shiatbag.

Either way, its complete nonsense.

Are you kidding ? Trolling people for fun is an ancient tradition.

Watching people get trolled is the same. Theres tv shows about it, umpteen youtubers doing it to the tune of millions of views a day.

Its not moral, its not right, you wouldnt want your mom to get trolled and get angry and act a fool. But . . . .it can be funny and a guilty pleasure. Like the freakout videos. ,I feel sorry for most of the freaker outers. Wish they would not have had an embarrassing moment caught on video. But. . . .like many many others I will watch for a little guilty entertainment.

Call me weird then, but watching others suffer doesn't bring me joy. And in all the cases so far where youtube people or tv shows "troll" people, it ends with letting them in on the joke.

I really don't like my ex now, but she was raped when she was a teenager by her first boyfriend and we both agree that was terrible. If someone decided to "troll" her that rape victims are at fault for getting raped, i would feel zero percent bad when she takes his knees out with a baseball bat.

Boxingoutsider:Elliot8654: Boxingoutsider: Elliot8654: Boxingoutsider: sigdiamond2000: Can you imagine waking up and feeling compelled to defend Milo Yiannopolis and Steve Bannon on the internet all morning?

Im a tiny bit of a milo fan and I'm not defending him. I actually don't think anyone is.

I don't get how you can be a fan of him.

He is what 4chan looks like when they think they are trying to be christopher hitchens, given human form.

I like watching people squirm. He makes people I think are ridiculous squirm. Enemy of my enemy kind of deal.

Just because I like to watch him make pussies squirm doesnt mean I fall in lock Step with his views. But here, and in modern society admitting I watch his videos and laugh makes me a Nazi

Terrible reason to be a fan of someone, but that's your bag, so hey. Stigginit-type attitude is what got us the most internationally despised president in history. What could go wrong?

You never had a guilty pleasure? I like public freakout videos too, but I usually feel bad for the participants.

Im honest and stand up about it. Ill take whatever criticism people want to hurl. The dudes a professional troll. I just like that he trolls people I think are ruining my party.

please explain why trolling is at all worthy of even a guilty pleasure? Either you don't believe what you are saying and you are intentionally lying to upset people, in which case they are a shiatbag.

Boxingoutsider:I love to engage, especially with people who are smart and educated and disagree with me. Tests my views, forces me to be smarter and better. I dont mind losing an argument or a discussion or changing my views.

Same here, perhaps you can help me understand something. Can you explain why you are so upset about college student politics? Why does it matter to you? What stake do you have?

Also, why did you choose Milo for your source of information on this? Do you think he is unbiased? If not, what other source of information to you use to get "the other side" of the story? Have you watched any videos or read any writings of students giving their actual views and positions, without a media filter?

Cbillrun:Lol you libs are absolute fascists nuts. Pot calling kettle black. What a lot of nothing in this long winded article. Once again I am deeply embarrassed for anyone who believes Milo is a racist or nazi. Sad

Boxingoutsider:Rapmaster2000: Boxingoutsider: Nah. An idiot calling me an idiot means nothing to me. Someone saying I dont embody any democratic ideals is just an idiot.

I love to engage, especially with people who are smart and educated and disagree with me. Tests my views, forces me to be smarter and better. I dont mind losing an argument or a discussion or changing my views.

But . . . .and both sides do this way too much, when its all about purity tests and identity politics (you support gay rights that means you are against my god,or you don't support safe spaces on college campuses defined by race which means you are a virulent racist) its ridiculous nonsense to me.

But. . . . .thats where we are. Both parties figured out its wildly effective and cheap. It may turn off 15% of your base give or take, but someone like me will always vote democrat even if we nominated a candidate who wanted to ban so called micro aggressions. Energizing the base and trying to grab a little piece of the middle in key spots seems preferable to broad based support that may turn off your base. Thats why both partys candidates have to bow and grovel to the issue of the day to their base, regardless of whether they think its worthwhile to do so.

Hey, I'm just like you. I don't bow down to the Republicrats or the Democans. I'm my own man.

I'm a libertarian, Dottie... a rebel.

shiat, i bow to democrats. I pull that lever every damn time. Regardless of however i feel we may be losing our way a bit, its still better than the alternative.

My only advice is don't cave to their assertions of reality. I work in an office, and one of my coworkers is a trump voter. He's a good guy, he means well and likely just drank the kool aid while he was unemployed about how Trump can save us. He's got three kids and he tries to teach them right from wrong. He's not the embodiment of white power, heck he's awkward and stutters but he means well.

Point is, don't buy into this belief of duality, we are all shades of different colors. Heck the only commonality is that we are all meatbags slowing moving towards our eventual demise, a flicker in a infinite void.

So don't let the "putting people in boxes brigade" get you down. Just get involved with local politics and realize that its a damn impressive thing that some of your neighbors are able to both have pants and shirts on because my god is there lots of dumb people.

Ned Stark:Or do you believe, rather, that the differences in worldview, beliefs, personality, etc. That arise because of race are uniquely except from causing tension in a relationship in exactly the same way as those asising from money or whatever by some mysterious force? Why woul this be so?

Nobody is claiming that it doesn't have the potential to cause tension. Just that it isn't one that's the sole cause of an imaginary disparate gap in divorce rates.

Lol you libs are absolute fascists nuts. Pot calling kettle black. What a lot of nothing in this long winded article. Once again I am deeply embarrassed for anyone who believes Milo is a racist or nazi. Sad

The best part of Buzzfeed story is that the central person behind Nazi playtime was chief strategist to the President of the United States- Tim Miller (@Timodc) October 5, 2017

sometimes all this feels like a cosmic horror. I dumped a dude and to get back at me he helped usher in a new chapter in white supremacy - Zoe Quinn (@UnburntWitch)

That has to be some powerful... survivor's guilt? Would that be the term here? Whatever it is, it can't feel good even though she is not to blame for it. Gamergate was a test bed slash prototype stage for a lot of the alt-right crap and tactics we see today.That Gamergate wasn't stomped out before it metastasized is not a good sign for humanity in general. It evolved and merged with old style neo-Nazis to be the alt-right we see today.

Here, but not in previous threads. You were prattling on about blood transfusions and disease before

Not in regards to relationships, I didn't. Someone specifically brought up biracial children.

Meh, one of my kids has the sickle cell trait passed down from mom. Not a biology guy, but apparently the trait developed to stave off malaria or something. Is that what we are talking about here?

More or less. Biracial kids get two chances for weird ethnically centered genetic disorders(like sickle cell). Also, really unusual combinations can have a rather harder time finding matching donors for anything.

Fairly trivial stuff.

Wait, what? Sickle cell is caused by inheriting two recessive abnormal hemoglobin genes, and a white parent is unlikely to have one to pass down. How the hell are you figuring they're getting "two chances"?

Some Guy In A Waistcoat:PanicMan: Also, I work with a mental health organization.The things you joke about are people suffering trauma. Microagressions aboslutely hurt people, especially vulnerable groups. And safe spaces save lives. Literally.

I used to laugh about safe spaces in the early days - until I actually met folk they had saved. Funnily enough, I met them after getting denied entry to a safe space. I dated a bisexual girl who went to one of the local Stonewall support groups - I accompanied her there one time and got refused entry. So I'm left outside, grumbling to myself when one of the kids (oh sweet Jebus, I'm old enough to say they were kids now) comes out for a smoke break and we start chatting. Turned out he'd attempted suicide twice because of the harassment he'd been getting since he came out, and it was only because of the group that he'd not attempted it a third time. Having somewhere where he absolutely knew he didn't have to worry about anyone attacking him because of who and what he was, and getting the support from people who could relate to his experience in a way I never could saved his life.

I met the rest of the group over the weeks, and I learned their stories. And that's about the point when I stopped being resentful when they all disappeared into the building without me and understood why they needed a safe space.

goat012006:Dang It Ned. You've backed yourself into a corner here. I feel for ya.

My dad told me, when I introduced him to my black girlfriend (later to be wife) that I should be mindful of the pitfalls of interracial relationships. He wasn't saying don't do it, he wasn't trying to discourage me (matter of fact he elbowed me in the ribs and said she was hot lol). He was matter of factly pointing out to be mindful of how I behave, respond, and talk within the frame of our relationship. He knew that since I could NEVER EVER fully relate to her experience as a black woman in America, that I was in peril of stumbling over my own whiteness, as it were, and farking it up.

Is that what you've been trying to say? Because, love ya buddy, but you've done a shiat job lol.

I should add that he not only wasn't trying to discourage me, he was actively telling me she was the one. He was worried I would fark it up and lose her. Thankfully, I didn't and she still hasn't thrown me outta her life. 13 years together and haven't missed a beat.

PanicMan:Boxingoutsider: Farker Soze: Boxingoutsider: Cubicle Jockey: Boxingoutsider: I say it from time to time in my volunteer capacity in a huge room full of brown and black people, many of whom are violent and wouldnt hesitate to knock out a square who said it, and never get even a second look.

Ok, Im out.Apologies, Jimmy.

Its real talk. Come volunteer if you doubt me. We need more people, even squares.

Are you a pimp? You know, a pimp's love is very different from that of a square.

Hahaha. White boys in general dont make good pimps. No. I just mentor at risk kids from really challenging backgrounds.

Do you show them Milo's videos? Do you mentor them to grow up like him?

Also, I work with a mental health organization.The things you joke about are people suffering trauma. Microagressions aboslutely hurt people, especially vulnerable groups. And safe spaces save lives. Literally.

HotWingConspiracy:Ned Stark: thorpe: Ker_Thwap: Ned Stark: I mean, in that particular study the WM/BF result was an exception to the trend. The later larger sample size study that "debuked" it found higher rates.

In fact, heres a side by side. Errr... over under.

Someone made an infographic with no link to an actual study.

Ned's just here to derail another thread with endless posts of aw-shucks racism. It's his trick.

Dont blame me, HotWingConspiracybrought it up.

I didn't bring up any names, you outed yourself.

And BTW, you're here citing "studies" and posting infographics to buttress your...opinion, so "(people who think different ethnic groups should stay separate for scientific reasons)" has you 100% pegged.

Boxingoutsider:People like me who want there to be freedom and equality but don't want to be lectured about how intolerant they are because they arent super comfy with whatever the latest identity politics trend is. Democrats who don't think cops are scum. Democrats who own guns and like guns. Democrats who believe in border security and don't want to be lectured on the cruelty of a wall or securing the border.

Sounds mostly to me like you have bought into the propaganda being touted around the internet. Milo and his ilk spend their entire careers painting the "opposition" as a monolith of absurdity. Most Democrats & Liberals don't want to ban guns. Most Democrats & Liberals do like border security.Most Democrats & Liberals don't think cops are scum.Most Democrats & Liberals don't want safe spaces everywhere.Most Democrats & Liberals don't want to ban all opposing speech.Most Democrats & Liberals don't identify with the latest twitter trend of identity politics.

Things aren't as black and white as you are trying to portray them as. Sure there is a vocal group on the internet who takes things too far, but that is in EVERY sub-group in our society. Stop paying attention to them and you will see a lot of nuance and complexity in the group you are being taught to hate.

It once came up here that i think interracial dating is probably a bad idea.

Which is really all that was ment. Interracial relationships blow up more often than ones that aren't. It's a bad idea in exactly the same way that, say, dating wildly out of your income bracket or education level is. There is simply a greater chance of sorrow and pain in your future.

But apparently I'm a hardcore defender of the purity of the whit race?

Look, it's really very simple.

You are making a generalization that mixed-race couples have a higher failure rate, with zero evidence. it appears to us that you are using this fallacy to justify your own personal revulsion at seeing white girls with black guys so that you don't have to admit to yourself that you're really just (at least subconsicously) bigoted but rather are just so very concerned about their happiness. There are only two possibilities: Either we are correct in our interpretation or you are just incredibly wrong in your demographic analysis.

Even IF your wild assertion was true, SO WHAT? People date, live together, even marry, and then sometimes it doesn't work out. Who cares?

Actually, I'll tell you who cares: People that think the various races among the Human species were originally geographically separated (be it by nature or God) for some deliberate natural purpose rather than just as a matter of evolutionary happenstance. We have a term for those people: Racists.

I know the author desperately wants to make a connection between Breitbart and hate organizations. But at every turn it seems that Breitbart is trying to distance themselves from them. Which is what you'd expect anyone to do. Maybe it isn't actually super-subtle secret code after all. Maybe they were actually trying to do what they actually said.

It's like the DNC distancing themselves from Antifa... Or just full on socialists and communists. Sure, those guys are DNC supporters. They vote Democrat because (as it is often noted here) it's a 2 party system...

Do you know how money laundering works? You take that was earned in a criminal act, funnel it through a legitimate business, then the money looks legal.

factoryconnection:Ned Stark: definitely stop quoting my own position back at me as though it were something new.

If that's your position, then you need to learn how to communicate it. The way you write it and then defend it sucks. Your conclusion that it "should be avoided" is a lightning rod and a bad conclusion and you should know better.

It's a lesson we all have to learn from time to time... if you set out your stall poorly, on an emotionally charged topic, get ready to defend the dickens out of it.

Ned Stark:Some Guy In A Waistcoat: Ned Stark: Or do you believe, rather, that the differences in worldview, beliefs, personality, etc. That arise because of race are uniquely except from causing tension in a relationship in exactly the same way as those asising from money or whatever by some mysterious force? Why woul this be so?

Nobody is claiming that it doesn't have the potential to cause tension.

So we're all secretly on the same page and im getting called a nazi gamergator altright racist because... reasons?

No it would be your posting history because I had you favorited as Racist a long time ago.

One issue is the false equivalence, elevating "antifa" since Charlottesville, so we get a 'both sides are bad' issue instead of GODDAMNNAZISINAMERICANANDTHEWHITEHOUSE!

At one point, articles about antifa post-Charlottesville actually outnumbered those of the alt-right/white nationalists/Nazis who MARCHED WITH TORCHES AND CHANTED 'JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US'. National Review called them 'twin cancers.' CNN did an 'unmasking antifa', etc, etc.

Which is not to say there aren't legit criticisms of the far-left, but, wholly sh*t fark, people, we're talking about literal Nazis, and they worked in the f*cking White House advising the President, hiring staff, and, at one point, were on the National Security Council.

Stay focused on the bigger problem.

Real actual Nazis advising the advisor to the president is an existential problem. Fugazi Nazis marching with tiki torches and then having their lives ripped apart and having events cancelled because they are scared of being outed as a Nazi are generally irrelevant aside from driving outrage clicks on news sites.

Real Nazis publicly espousing their ideology (America First! Build a Wall! Mexicans are rapists!) is more than existential. Its permissive and its recruiting. It emboldens some to commit their hate publicly (not just Charlottesville, but hate crimes in general are up); and expands their base. They become normalized. Which makes it easier for their hatred to spread. Sometimes boldly (Charlottesville march by a bunch of 'Fugazi Nazis' who, btw, were also backed by quite a few para-miltary wannabes in body armor and AR-15s), and sometimes more sublte ways. Why shouldn't we deport all those illegals? Why can't we have a travel ban until we figure things out?

Sure there was a brief outrage after Charlottesville, perhaps only because a woman died, and since then most people have moved on. The casual national news certainly has. There are too many stories. The fewer stories written or told put more focus on Antifa and those violent alt-left thugs (why the fake false equivalence is so frustrating).

Boxingoutsider:bacchanalias and consequences: Boxingoutsider: JerseyTim: This really is a terrific piece of journalism.

On top of being a racist and overall horrible person, the fact that Bannon doesn't spell out "are" and "you" and writes things like "Dude!!! LMAO! ... Epic" in emails makes him that much more despicable.

That's what I hated most. Ill admit I'm a closet milo video binge watcher. I hate the way the college campuses especially seem to have become breeding grounds for a new kind of fascist identity politics where whoever is the most aggrieved becomes the most influential. So . . . .I get off on watching him annihilate and trigger these pussy ass kids were raising.

But . . . that was really troubling. I'm not going to vote republican ever, and I don't support white supremacy or Nazis or any of that shiat. But. . . . like many people cited in that article,I am a long time leftist kind of pissed off with where we are going as a movement.

Its interesting how guys like milo and to a lesser extent Shapiro really resonate with many democrats who secretly despise snowflake liberalism but would almost never actually vote republican. People like me who want there to be freedom and equality but don't want to be lectured about how intolerant they are because they arent super comfy with whatever the latest identity politics trend is. Democrats who don't think cops are scum. Democrats who own guns and like guns. Democrats who believe in border security and don't want to be lectured on the cruelty of a wall or securing the border.

This is why the current gun debate is so important. Pushing away moderates and chastising them because they aren't as angry as you or angry with the same things is just foolish. Its partly why we have trump as our president.

To me that article painted milo as an attention seeking avaricious and obsequious kind of toady at the feet of real movers and shakers. It painted bannon as thinking he's the man, but really being the same ki ...

Based on your last post, you seem half-way decent so I won't harangue you, but the double-tapped space bar is classic old person typing. It's not a typewriter or old computer. One space after a period is enough.

t's time for me to do my big definitive guide to the alt right," Yiannopoulos wrote four hours later to Curtis Yarvin, a software engineer who under the nom de plume Mencius Moldbug helped create the "neoreactionary" movement, which holds that Enlightenment democracy has failed and that a return to feudalism and authoritarian rule is in order. "Which is my whorish way of asking if you have anything you'd like to make sure I include."