Letter-writer Chuck Shaw wrote about U.S. Reps. Scott Tipton, Cory Gardner, Mike Coffman and Doug Lamborn’s plea for Colorado flood relief. The same four congressmen also voted no for relief for the victims of Hurricane Sandy.

Stan Pedzick, Denver

I wish to thank all the men and women of the Colorado media for their extraordinary coverage of the Colorado flooding. Your hours of hard work have not gone unnoticed. Colorado’s media continue to be among the finest in the nation.

Patrick Sandoval, Greenwood Village

These letters were published in the Sept. 29 edition.

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A tip of the zucchetto or yarmulke (kippah) to Mr. Kuntz.
Mr. Pedzick, the farther away the problem, the easier it is for a politician to stand on principle.

primafacie

What business is it of The Post’s editors, Mr. Graham, or anyone else (except voters), what political candidates did in previous lives? What about the backgrounds of Post editors?

What business is it of The Post’s editors, or anyone else, who gets caught breaking laws and what their legal defense is? What about the indiscretions of Post editors?

What business is it of The Post’s editors, or anyone else (except ticket buyers and fans), how the Denver Broncos prepare for games and select their players? Or what they pay their players, for that matter? What about the Post editors’ athletic skill?

And what business is it of The Post’s editors, or anyone else (except moviegoers), what they think of cinematic performance? What about the Post editors’ artistic background?

Other than to inform, that is.

peterpi

So, you think it “is” the public’s interest to know how much CEOs are paid?

primafacie

I’m actually of two minds about it. If a media outlet is reporting on the financials of a particular company, which would be of interest to investors, potential investors or consumers of business news, executive salaries would be part of a thorough report. But I’m not sure I see value in a report on what executives are paid, without context and for the prurient interest of an audience — “Look, Martha, at what the fat cats are getting!”

Dano2

Tooooooooooootally.

We should continue to keep everyone uninformed about how the game is rigged and the rich have gamed the system. Because freedom.

Best,

D

peterpi

Because freedom what?

Dano2

The shills that state that the rich should continue to benefit at the expense of the unwashed masses always bring up th’ fraydum.

Best,

D

guest

The Democratic Party of hatred and envy strikes again.

Dano2

The gullible lickspittle of the jaaaaaaaaaaaaah creat-ahhhhhhs strikes again.

Best,

D

peterpi

Can I use you as an example of why I dislike the Republican Party?

Robtf777

“What business is it of The Post’s editors, or anyone else (except
stockholders and directors) how much companies pay their CEOs? What
about the outrageous Post editors’ salaries?”
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Yes……how much does the Publisher of the Denver Post make……or the CEO of whatever umbrella Corporation that owns it makes……compared to the amount of money the average delivery person who delivers the paper to our driveways makes? Et tu, Brutus?

Perhaps The Denver Post can do a story on the NFL….MLB…..NASCAR……the NBA…….and compare the total compensation packages various top athletes and team owners get……with the :comparatively “chump change” that some/most of the people who work at the stadiums and race tracks get.

Or is Peyton Manning vs the hot dog vendor……off limits?

mrfxx

You’re comparing apples and grapefruit when you compare Peyton Manning (hired by the Denver Broncos – on a contract which can NOT be terminated by Mr. Manning but CAN be terminated by the Broncos with a trade or if he is physically unable to perform) and the “hot dog vendor” who is hired by ARAMARK. Now – if the Post wants to run an article about how much the vendors (either behind the counters or working the stands) make in comparison with the CEO of Aramark, THAT would be a valid comparison.

thor

I’m in a business that competes with Aramark and i bet the hot dog vendors at the stadium are paid on commission so that they need to hustle to make a buck. But that is good for those that hustle and bad for those that don’t.

peterpi

That’s stupid, thor. a 5% commission on a hot dog is peanuts. A 5% commission on peanuts is even less.
McDonald’s doesn’t put its cashiers on commission. Instead of people coming to the stand to pick up the hot dog, the hot dog vendor brings it to them. Otherwise, there is no difference.
I’d wager Aramark pays the vendors the minimum wage to start.
And, just how is a hot dog vendor supposed to show more hustle? Jam the hot dog in the spectators’ mouths and demand payment?
My dad worked on commission as a furniture factory representative. If a town in Nebraska was in the doldrums, and the store manager didn’t want to buy, all the hustle in the world wasn’t going to do any good, and my mom could count on making hot dog casseroles for a while.

thor

Stupid is your response. Most people in the food industry get a base, but make more due to more sales. And, yes, some vendors outsell others and are rewarded with prime areas to vend in. And your comparison of hot dog vendors to your dad is apples to grapefruit. Hot dog vendors have a captive audience. Learn more about how something works before commenting.

Robtf777

“The mass shootings that the United States has endured recently and over
the years are the price that we the people must pay for the privilege of
being governed by the NRA.”

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The Wild West was TAME compared to the shootings that have gone on since 1970. Jesse James and his entire gang has NEVER been credited with shooting 50 people in one single event. And the estimated TOTAL body count for Billy the Kid in his entire criminal career is suspected to be 6 at the most.

What is Actually True and Factual is THIS:

(1) The mass shootings that the United States has endured recently and over the years are the price that we the people must pay for the privilege of offing 50,000,000 completely innocent living human lives via abortion.

(2) The mass shootings that the United States has endured recently and over
the years are the price that we the people must pay for the privilege of having devalued the worth of 50,000,000 living human lives.

(3) The mass shootings that the United States has endured recently and over
the years are the price that we the people must pay for the privilege of teaching – for over 40 years now – that Killing and Death – 50,000,000 times over……is HOW a “civilized people” and a “civilized nation”…..”solves” “problems” they “don’t want to deal with.”

(4) The mass shootings that the United States has endured recently and over
the years are the price that we the people must pay for the privilege of……having to defend Obama’s desire to bomb the heck out of Syria……to kill and maim hundreds/thousands more people……on top of the over 100,000 who have already died……because he wants to merely send a message.

When the United States TEACHES and ENCOURAGES and DEFENDS the “Philosophy OF Killing/Death” to “solve” “problems” one does not want to “deal with”……we end up with Mass Shooters who take what the LEARNED…..to HEART……and do likewise.

The United States of America…..is a Nation of Killing/Death……50,000,000 times over…….with no apparent will or desire to do anything more than……kill ANOTHER 50,000,000……..and another 50,000,000 after that……..until or unless God Stops The Insanity……FIRST.

And God…..WILL.

This nation will NOT endure forever. It is only a matter of “how soon” it will fall……simply because this nation has not only shed too much innocent blood…..but has leaders who actually defend that shedding of innocent blood.

Robtf777

“Letter-writer Chuck Shaw wrote about U.S. Reps. Scott Tipton, Cory
Gardner, Mike Coffman and Doug Lamborn’s plea for Colorado flood relief.
The same four congressmen also voted no for relief for the victims of
Hurricane Sandy.”
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One could ask……very simply…..if they are or are not…..OUR Representatives…..as in COLORADO’S Representatives…….and, as such, whether or not they represent US in COLORADO……and NOT, necessarily, those in other States?

If they looked at the $1 TRILLION Annual Deficits and the $17 TRILLION National Debt……and voted the way they did for other States receiving Hurricane Sandy Relief Funds……for economic/financial reasons……that is part of their job. As even Lamm suggests with health care for the elderly……the US doesn’t have the money to fund EVERYTHING.

BUT…..if States got “Hurricane Sandy Relief Money”……then it is only “fair and right” that Colorado receives our fair share also……..under the idea that Congress has set the “rules”……States got “Hurricane Sandy Relief Money”…..and under those rules……Colorado should be entitled to Flood Relief Money as well.

And those Colorado Elected Representatives…..did their jobs……as they are supposed to……as Elected Representatives who represent COLORADO.

Robtf777

“It highlights how far world religions have gotten off track when it
becomes front-page news that a religious leader talked about peace,
love, mercy and concern for the poor.”
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Jesus talked about those things…..a lot.

But Jesus also talked about a lot of other things……like the Kingdom of God……hell…..the Judgment when God separates the good fish from the bad, the wheat from the chaff, the sheep from the goats…….and the “end times” when there will be an increase in evil, an increase in immorality, an increase in the intensity and frequency of all sorts of ‘natural’ disasters.

Jesus spoke on various subjects……because everything He spoke about was important……Everything…….and not just “some things” we want to hear. Everything.

Jesus spoke about the reality of hell where there will be pain and agony and gnashing of teeth……because warning people of what to avoid and how to avoid it…..is “love.”

Jesus spoke about sin and the reality that sin includes even “thoughts” because enlightening people about the standard He will use is……love and mercy.

Jesus was kind when kindness was ll that was needed; he was harsh when bluntness was needed; and Jesus even called the Pharisees harsh names and took up a whip when THAT was both required and necessary to make His point.

And…..except for the whip…..that is the standard His Disciples and the (Real) Church followed ever since. NOTHING about God and what He says is off the table. EVERYTHING about God and what He says is on the table. And kindness and bluntness and harshness – in words only – is used depending on the circumstances and the hearer.

And that is why neither the Inquisition nor the Crusades were anything connected to Christ’s Real Church: Taking up arms and/or killing “in the name of Christ”…..is NOT the example He set……nor is the example His Disciples followed……period.

DR

Jesus also said he would return within one generation. Even his own disciples believed that he would return within their lifetimes. Telling people “love and worship me or forever burn in hell” isn’t love Rob. It’s the epitome of evil.

I said it once a long time ago and I’ll say it again Rob. As much as I give you a hard time, I feel sorry for you even more. To have such a disgusting and deluded view on life. To have been so brainwashed into believing something that you think is good and moral and just but is, in fact, absolute poison.

peterpi

Notice how he once again says the Spanish inquisitors weren’t real Christians, the Crusaders weren’t real Christians. If he had uttered that sort of talk during the Middle Ages, he’d find out what the Christian authorities thought of such talk. The authorities would promise him a “hot time” in the ol’ town.
If every time a Christian messes up, they’re no longer Christian, if every time a Christian institution makes gross errors, it’s no longer Christian, then the number of real Christians will dwindle to … zero.
If an atheist or agnostic messes up or makes gross errors, I bet Robtf still considers them to be atheists or agnostic. Strange.

thor

He’s differentiating between nominal Christians, Christians in name only, and those who are born again by choosing Jesus.

peterpi

By definition, Christians choose Jesus, “the Christ”. There are plenty of real Christians who are not born again.
You’re playing the same game Robtf is.
Christians, born again or any other kind, are still human, and are prone to the same dark emotions and actions as everyone else. That doesn’t mean they are no longer Christian.

thor

By biblical definition, according to Acts, Christian is just a title. Being born again is what robt is talking about. Taking a name doesn’t guarantee status with God. Receiving Jesus into your life makes you a child of the King. Attending church may make you a Christian, but not a child of the King. Big difference.

peterpi

That is just so much self patting on the back.
“We’re Christian, … and you’re not!”
There are denominations close to 1,700 years old, and their devout, devoted, charity-giving, caring members have no clue what this talk of being “born-again” or a “child of the King” is. And they are very much Christian!
Pentecostalism, fundamentalism, and related are roughly 100 years old, and yet you all feel you have the right to determine who the “real” Christians are. Riiiight.
Bottom line is, you want to pick and choose who a real Christian is, and it doesn’t work that way.
If a Christian messes up, why, they’re no longer Christian! How convenient for you!

DR

I always thought being “born again” loosely described someone that either accepted Jesus again after losing faith or someone who spent a good portion of the life previously being “non-religious” before suddenly “finding God”. Incidentally I have a Christian friend that despises the term “born again”. She’ll often say “What the heck does that even mean? You either accept Jesus/God or you don’t. It doesn’t matter when you do it.”

I agree with you 100%. Its ironic that when Christians are criticized individually for doing non-christian like things, they immediately feign offence and usually reply with some retort about how they’re not perfect and that we’re all sinners. Criticize their theology, a particular doctrine or actions of a certain denomination and suddenly it becomes “Oh those aren’t REAL Christians!”

And don’t even get me started on the whole “Christianity is a philosophy, not a religion” nonsense a’la Bill O’Reilly….

thor

The term Born Again doesn’t describe a time or place, so your friend can relax. To answer her when question, the when is exactly as she described it, when someone accepts Jesus.

Now, about believers (Christians) being imperfect, that is true. But it is not an excuse. A believer (Christian) should strive to live an overcoming life due to what Christ did for them on the Cross. But we are feeble and frail and apt to fail. When we do, we need to confess our sins and ask for forgiveness. Being a real believer(Christian) has no denominational criteria. Someone out on some isolated island, who truly reaches out to God, can become a believer if that person has a work of faith. I believe if they reach up to God, He will reach down to them and reveal Himself. He might send a missionary their way to explain what they are yearning for. Or, He may give them a vision. That’s between them and God. Lastly, you are correct about O’Reilly. Believing in God is neither a religion nor a philosophy. It is a work of faith.

peterpi

If someone on an isolated island reaches out to God, that makes him or her a believer in God. It doesn’t automatically make him or her a Christian. That’s arrogance.
Jews, Muslims, Baha’i believe in the same God Christian do. Sikhs believe in a single deity, although I don’t know how their concept of God compares to the Abrahamic monotheistic religions (Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Baha’i).
I believe there is more than one path to God. Christianity is just one path. Jesus is the door, the way, the truth, the life — for Christians.

thor

Its not arrogance, but my understanding of the whole written Word of God. I know you believe in many paths. I hope you will discover the true path one day. Jesus said, in Matthew, “Seek and you will find.” Genesis 3:15 is the first reference to the Messiah in the Scriptures. (Torah) A scarlet thread runs through the whole written word that leads to Jesus birth, life, death and resurrection. Once again, Christian is a title, not a standing in God. All who take the title Christian may not have made the faith action that puts one in right standing with God. But that isn’t a put-down, as you would imply. God only has children, not grandchildren. Attending the same church as your parents only makes you religious and dependable. Asking Jesus to forgive you of your sins and to come into your life is an act of faith that makes you a believer.

peterpi

Genesis 3:15 is God putting a curse on the serpent or snake, and saying there will be enmity between women and snakes, and that people and snakes will attack each other.
That scarlet thread you see is a bible publisher’s highlighting of Jesus’ words, or in some cases reading Jesus into the Jewish Scriptures/Old Testament.

thor

Reading prophesies about Jesus are hard to avoid. Messanic Jews have realized Who those Scriptures refer to. You can reject those Scriptures or begin your own faith journey. And if you keep reading Genesis 3:15 into 16, you will see a reference of man crushing the serpents skull. That was done through the work of the Cross. Reread Isaiah 53:1-7, it describes that work. That is why Isaiah is called the fifth Gospel.

thor

Did you read and understand anything I wrote? I never said anyone was not “Christian.” But taking a title doesn’t put one in right standing with God. Forget “born again” even though that’s a biblical term. And the fact that it offends someone is just what Jesus said His words would do. In the end, everyone must experience a work of faith as expressed in Ephesians 2:8-For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God. Entering into a church is not a work of faith. I can’t pick or choose who is a real believer do to their act of faith. In my mind, the two most common things to be said in Heaven will be “I didn’t know you would be here” and “where is so and so.” But I do know calling yourself a Christian because your family goes to church isn’t enough. Lastly, who, on here, ever said that if someone messes up they are no longer a Christian? It doesn’t work that way. Only God can determine who is or isn’t a believer (Christian).

peterpi

Robtf said the people of the Inquisition and the Crusades weren’t Christian.
They saw themselves as Christian. They felt the acts they carried out were sanctioned by God and by leaders of God’s church. The Christian authorities of the day saw them as Christian. The people who were subject to their tender mercies certainly saw them as Christian. They were Christian.
The Crusaders even wore white tunics over their chain mail with large red crosses (Latin, not Greek) on the front, which as one book I read long ago put it, gave enemy archers perfect crosshairs to aim for in the center of the chest.
Now, we can say we believe they didn’t behave like Christians ought to behave. We can say we don’t believe they acted as Jesus of Nazareth would have acted. But that simply makes them badly or wrongly behaving Christians. It doesn’t make them “not Christian”. And that’s too many people’s logic flaw: If someone misbehaves, they’re not Christian.
And I have heard similar lines of thought from other conservative Christians. “Gee, that person robbed a bank, that person smoked dope, that person is gay. They’re not real Christians.” Baloney. In the first two cases, one can say they’re criminally-or sinfully-misbehaving Christians. In the third case, one can say they’re engaged in activity one doesn’t approve of. That does not mean they’re no longer Christian.

John

Show me where he said that he would be back in one generation. I believe that you are another person who has not studied the BIble and just wants to justify how you live by denying God. Im waiting for your response.

DR

Matthew 24:34

Another Christian who doesn’t actually read his Bible. Shocking.

peterpi

Thumbs up!
For Jesus, the Kingdom of God was sooo close, it was at hand. Numerous of his parables reflect that. I have a theory about that, but nonetheless, the early Christian church thought Jesus’ return was imminent, to take place before they all died.

peterpi

Do some reading.
Numerous scholars from across many philosophies, many Christian denominations, say that the early Church believed Jesus’ return was imminent, within a generation.
The Christian Church started to evolve, to change, into what it became when its founders realized Jesus was NOT returning right away.

peterpi

I can’t recall Jesus ever talking about good fish and bad fish. Was this the parable of the red fish and blue fish?

guest

Pedzick’s letter is misleading for two reason. First of the $60 billion in the emergency relief 20% of it was not for relief of Sandy victims. Alaska fisheries, homeland security cars, etc. were funded with this bloated bill.

Secondly you have to wonder about the emergency nature of the bill as only 1/3 of the money would be spent in the first 21 months the after bill was effective.

peterpi

If the bill funding federal aid for Colorado also has other funding projects, I bet those four representatives will sign on in a snap.
Virtually all bills in the US Congress have multiple subjects. There are very few “clean” bills there. The Republicans want to make to Democrats an offer the Democrats can’t refuse, and Democrats do the same to the Republicans.

Dano2

Remember: money for AK fisheries was to mitigate an existing disaster, as is the tsunami debris problem. But they don’t get any aid because pork. Or bloat. Or something.

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