A former patient who sought help from the Christian counseling clinic owned by GOP presidential hopeful Michele Bachmann and her husband, Marcus, told ABC News he was advised that prayer could rid him of his homosexual urges and he could eventually be "re-oriented."

"[One counselor's] path for my therapy would be to read the Bible, pray to God that I would no longer be gay," said Andrew Ramirez, who was 17-years-old at the time he sought help from Bachmann & Associates in suburban Minneapolis. "And God would forgive me if I were straight."

In the past, Marcus Bachmann has disputed the clinic has treated gay patients this way. But Ramirez's account is similar to the counseling session that appears on new undercover video shot by a gay rights advocacy group last month. That footage shows another counselor at the Bachmann clinic telling a gay man posing as a patient that, with prayer and effort, he could eventually learn to be attracted to women and rid himself of his gay urges.

They've also taken federal dollars to do this. The Bachmanns are scum.

Yeah that is pretty disgusting.While I am not one who buys into homophobia I have to say that "pray away the gay" is probably the worst advice a straight person could possibly give to a gay (or "lean-gay") person. I mean really the Bachmanns would've been better off telling these people to stop decorating in Fuschia color schemes or some stupid sh*t like that. At least that would take some effort.

Effective policing requires to know when backing down is in the best interest of public safety. By all accounts, the culture of the Ferguson Police was ignorant of that fact, and instead treated Cartman of South Park as a role model for how to be a police officer.

The funny thing is that she represents an archtype of short, petite, pretty but crazy as hell women. I dated one in High school just like that and another one just before the current one like that, too. Then's there's a similiar archtype of short, overweight, big boobed and bipolar chicks.

Effective policing requires to know when backing down is in the best interest of public safety. By all accounts, the culture of the Ferguson Police was ignorant of that fact, and instead treated Cartman of South Park as a role model for how to be a police officer.

Do not post anything illegal on this forum. If you f**kers get Dave in trouble, you deserve to burn in hell over it.

I apologize, but something that stupid deserves a stupid response. This country is a joke and the fact that the GOP base has to hear that and the fact that this is how low she will go to improve poll numbers, it all needs to be blown up. We need to improve quality of education in a hurry in this nation. I'm actually curious, but what would happen if in a national debate one of her contenders had the guts to look at her in the eye and say, "you're an idiot". I already live in Oklahoma, Mick.

Well the question about human sexuality, relationships, and reproduction is complex.

On one hand, you have one sided attraction, meaning a person can be attracted to someone, or a certain gender, race, hair color, or body type. Someone may be attracted to certain types of women, men or personalities.

Then there is dual attraction, and this is about forming relationships with someone who equally cares about and is attracted to you. This may be a rarer and more difficult thing to find, since most people get married once, so hypothetically, you are only attracted to and committed to one other person on this planet.

Then there is the human desire to reproduce, and this function is usually accomplished through intercourse between opposite genders.

Well, gayness can be "cured" but it usually doesn't work. And of course, God often says no to prayer, and when He does say yes He doesn't get any attention, so I don't think "Pray Away the Gay" is a good idea in and of itself.

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Play the song backwards, and you hear the devil laugh. Even worse, play it forward, and you hear Nickelback!

Like I said in another thread, the GOP ought to drop the religious right and start being moderate on social issues.

Michelle Bachmann, that includes you, forget about god, church, the bible and focus on the economy. That's what matters most or else people think you're a crazy nutjob if you talk about your personal life.

Well, gayness can be "cured" but it usually doesn't work. And of course, God often says no to prayer, and when He does say yes He doesn't get any attention, so I don't think "Pray Away the Gay" is a good idea in and of itself.

Well, gayness can be "cured" but it usually doesn't work. And of course, God often says no to prayer, and when He does say yes He doesn't get any attention, so I don't think "Pray Away the Gay" is a good idea in and of itself.

"Gayness" can't be "cured" anymore than shortness can. "Gayness" comes down to genetics, and hormones. Why would your god create genes that make people gay and then turn around and say that those people are sick and need to be cured?

Perhaps you agree with another assessment that Bachmann made. The assessment that CO2 is actually a beneficial gas to humans.

Why are there successes (albeit very little) in "cureing" if there is a gay gene?

In short there probably aren't. The 'ex gay' movement is almost entirely religious asking gays to pray, to abstain or to 'go through the motions' with someone of the other sex. The fact that so many go through the process and say it didn't work probably gives a big clue. Ask any 'ex gay' and they will say that it works...until they come out and say it didn't work and it was a sham as many do and continue to do. That's exactly the same attitude you would get from a Scientologist saying 'yes it cured my depression!'....until they also come out and say it doesn't work and the whole things a con.

There are those who have almost exclusively gay experiences then have almost exclusive straight ones later in life. The opposite is also true. Human sexuality is pretty fluid for some people. For others it's very black and white.