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Leonard Nimoy

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The shooting Data bit for finding the holoship is a bit ambiguous as we never actually saw the events that occurred. If I had to guess it was because Data declared he was going to reveal it to everyone and compromise the whole operation.

The shooting Data bit for finding the holoship is a bit ambiguous as we never actually saw the events that occurred. If I had to guess it was because Data declared he was going to reveal it to everyone and compromise the whole operation.

The shooting Data bit for finding the holoship is a bit ambiguous as we never actually saw the events that occurred. If I had to guess it was because Data declared he was going to reveal it to everyone and compromise the whole operation.

Generally, kidnapping occurs when a person, without lawful authority, physically asports (i.e., moves) another person without that other person's consent, with the intent to use the abduction in connection with some other nefarious objective. Under the Model Penal Code (a set of exemplary criminal rules fashioned by the American Law Institute), kidnapping occurs when any person is unlawfully and non-consensually asported and held for certain purposes. These purposes include gaining a ransom or reward; facilitating the commission of a felony or a flight after the commission of a felony; terrorizing or inflicting bodily injury on the victim or a third person; and interfering with a governmental or political function (Model Penal Code § 212.1).

"kidnapping occurs when a person, without lawful authority, physically asports (i.e., moves) another person without that other person's consent, with the intent to use the abduction in connection with some other nefarious objective."

This is EXACTLY what the Son'a are doing, only en masse.

If it applies to the singular, then it applies en masse to the plural. Otherwise, kidnapping charges can be skipped if more than one person is taken.

Generally, kidnapping occurs when a person, without lawful authority, physically asports (i.e., moves) another person without that other person's consent, with the intent to use the abduction in connection with some other nefarious objective. Under the Model Penal Code (a set of exemplary criminal rules fashioned by the American Law Institute), kidnapping occurs when any person is unlawfully and non-consensually asported and held for certain purposes. These purposes include gaining a ransom or reward; facilitating the commission of a felony or a flight after the commission of a felony; terrorizing or inflicting bodily injury on the victim or a third person; and interfering with a governmental or political function (Model Penal Code § 212.1).

So explain to me how it isn't kidnapping?

1. They had lawful authority (the UFP was the legal and recognized government of that territory)

Generally, kidnapping occurs when a person, without lawful authority, physically asports (i.e., moves) another person without that other person's consent, with the intent to use the abduction in connection with some other nefarious objective. Under the Model Penal Code (a set of exemplary criminal rules fashioned by the American Law Institute), kidnapping occurs when any person is unlawfully and non-consensually asported and held for certain purposes. These purposes include gaining a ransom or reward; facilitating the commission of a felony or a flight after the commission of a felony; terrorizing or inflicting bodily injury on the victim or a third person; and interfering with a governmental or political function (Model Penal Code § 212.1).

So explain to me how it isn't kidnapping?

1. They had lawful authority (the UFP was the legal and recognized government of that territory)

The Ba'ku claim predates the existence of the federation by a century, and they never joined the federation. So no they don't have legal authority over the Ba'ku.

2. the objective wasn't nefarious

Their objective was to render the planet uninhabitable becuase they don't want to get old. Yeah kind of sounds like it is.

1. They had lawful authority (the UFP was the legal and recognized government of that territory)

The Ba'ku claim predates the existence of the federation by a century, and they never joined the federation. So no they don't have legal authority over the Ba'ku.

2. the objective wasn't nefarious

Their objective was to render the planet uninhabitable becuase they don't want to get old. Yeah kind of sounds like it is.

the Baku don't want to get old either, that's why they stayed there.

Still, none of this premise makes sense. The Son'a have as much right to the planet as the Baku-why didn't they just tell the UFP that they have a claim on the planet, and that THEY'RE fine with using the particle-collecting procedure?

Whatever, the premise falls apart if you think about it for one minute.

Son'a ... why didn't they just tell the UFP that they have a claim on the planet

Because their hold on the entire planet and the rings was just as thin as the Baku. The Federation's legal possession of the area wasn't in dispute, which is why the Sona brought the Federation in to the arrangement.

If the Sona felt that they had a clear and legal claim to the planet, one that the Federation wouldn't contend later, they would have simply moved the Baku out without ceremony, and harvested the rings.

Problem with that would be the Federation did see the region as theirs.

Son'a ... why didn't they just tell the UFP that they have a claim on the planet

Because their hold on the entire planet and the rings was just as thin as the Baku. The Federation's legal possession of the area wasn't in dispute, which is why the Sona brought the Federation in to the arrangement.

If the Sona felt that they had a clear and legal claim to the planet, one that the Federation wouldn't contend later, they would have simply moved the Baku out without ceremony, and harvested the rings.

Problem with that would be the Federation did see the region as theirs.

well then again, the Baku lose either way, whether it's Federation territory, or because the Son'a have a claim on it.

Actually they said the first arrived on the planet 300 years before the film took place. Which again I stress means they lived their before there was a United Federation of Planets.

When the United State acquired the Louisiana territory, it included the city of New Orleans.

This was in the year 1803.

Likely there were people in New Orleans who had lived in the city prior to the formation of the United States some 27 years before.

In 1803 New Orleans became part of the United States.

You keep bringing up how the Baku arrived on the planet prior to the formation of the Federation, but you fail to explain how this means the the planet can't be a part of the Federation. "They were there first." doesn't preclude the planet the Baku are living on becoming a part of the Federation at some point after they arrived.