This is a discussion on It's not all that it's cracked up to be for the big name pros within the online poker forums, in the Poker News section; heres an interesting factoid posted by Negreanu
http://fullcontactpoker.com/year-end-results

I'm really shocked that a player as skilled as Negreanu would have net negatives over a calendar year. It goes to show how much variance there is in poker and lots of things to consider if you want to be a winning poker player.

TBH I am amazed more top players don't crash and burn more often.

#4

January 24th, 2018, 9:07 PM

carl lowe [6]

This goes to show no matter how skilled or knowledgeable you are at the game. Lady luck still plays a big part. Its all about having fun

#5

January 25th, 2018, 4:45 PM

Marinus [5]

Wow

#6

January 25th, 2018, 5:08 PM

Pharaoh39 [580]

Online Poker at: ACR

Game: Hold Em

re: Poker & It's not all that it's cracked up to be for the big name pros

Even the best have their bad days. Ask Illsidur about that.

#7

January 25th, 2018, 6:05 PM

nutthink [727]

Poker at: pokerstars

Game: holdem

Originally Posted by Pharaoh39

Even the best have their bad days. Ask Illsidur about that.

I first now him when i watch team pokerstars online pro Lex veldhuis on Youtube video. lex tag him as a legend. so funny becouse Illsidur just netrolling lex (KJ),Illsidur (disconecting on the turn) when lex floop J ..

on the river Illsidur go all in lex call the legend won show QQ. lex busto and he pissed off.. whatching pro play was so entertaiment... thats prove pokerstars is not rigged for me..

#8

January 26th, 2018, 2:43 PM

kraemer [342]

Online Poker at: partypoker

Game: Omaha

Originally Posted by Pharaoh39

Even the best have their bad days. Ask Illsidur about that.

It's his second year in a row with losses...

I think people generally overestimate the chance of making money in poker...
They just see the headlines that say people won 1, 2 or 5 million in a tournament
and think that is PROFIT...

But if You read that statement You start to realize that even these top players are not really poker pros... "I have separate deals with companies like PokerStars and Poker Central, but this income is unrelated to my buy ins."

In other words: His real profession is advertising...

I think this was also what Vanessa Selbst was referring to when she said she could not continue to tell amateurs that the games are beatable for them... How can an average person make a solid profit when even the best are not capable of doing so...

You must also keep in mind that this statistics only shows the buy-ins... Add traveling, hotel and other expenses and he ended the year with a solid loss...

#9

January 26th, 2018, 7:24 PM

Pharaoh39 [580]

Poker at: ACR

Game: Hold Em

Originally Posted by nutthink

I first now him when i watch team pokerstars online pro Lex veldhuis on Youtube video. lex tag him as a legend. so funny becouse Illsidur just netrolling lex (KJ),Illsidur (disconecting on the turn) when lex floop J ..

on the river Illsidur go all in lex call the legend won show QQ. lex busto and he pissed off.. whatching pro play was so entertaiment... thats prove pokerstars is not rigged for me..

I was referring to when he lost $4 million, but yes he is a very good player.

#10

January 31st, 2018, 8:55 PM

KumaPuma [37]

i cant stop loving daniel and i bet he will be back winning soon

#11

January 31st, 2018, 10:34 PM

Keith_MM [1,324]

Poker at: not stars

Game: holdem

He ought to be lobbying for live rakes to be increased to promote the poker ecology, nope don't expect him to do something that will actually hit his bottom line.#

#12

February 1st, 2018, 3:16 PM

WPattaro [28]

re: Poker & It's not all that it's cracked up to be for the big name pros

In the case of Negreanu, he is an exceptional player, however, as he plays very expensive live, if he did not pull anything, it's really hard to stay green.

#13

March 13th, 2018, 4:45 PM

Stacker [414]

Poker at: Poker stars

Game: NLh / plo

Originally Posted by jho

I'm really shocked that a player as skilled as Negreanu would have net negatives over a calendar year. It goes to show how much variance there is in poker and lots of things to consider if you want to be a winning poker player.

TBH I am amazed more top players don't crash and burn more often.

He had net negatives in tourneys even the best only cash serious cash a small percentage of time. His cash play I would assume more than made up for it.

#14

March 13th, 2018, 8:57 PM

ZenGreen [435]

Amazing info. I would a nervous wreck if I had to play poker for a living. Just shows the mental game these guys have

#15

March 21st, 2018, 11:52 AM

nobodysf00l [102]

Poker at: ACR

Game: NLHE

amen to that

#16

March 24th, 2018, 10:20 PM

madjek [186]

Online Poker at: acr

Game: holdem

I always like Daniel for his honesty. I often wondered how much these guys spend on games a year vs cashes . Even seems in low buy-in tourneys you have to have some very deep cashes to stay ahead. With the huge rake at small buyins live makes it really hard where I play they take like 30% in fees and dealer bonuses. Hard to be profitable with that

#17

March 24th, 2018, 11:22 PM

playinggameswithu [2,024]

Poker at: ACR,BOL

Game: Holdem

So almost anyone can rake up life time wins. It should be life time profits or championship bracelets.

#18

March 25th, 2018, 8:15 AM

monstr999999 [552]

Online Poker at: Poker Stars

Game: NL Holdem

re: Poker & It's not all that it's cracked up to be for the big name pros

But sometimes i don't like his game. Sometimes he plays worse than his level

#21

March 25th, 2018, 12:15 PM

NCDaddy [499]

Poker at: Global Poker

Game: 7Stud/Holdem

Amazing. But, I think Daniel brings up something that everyone needs to consider if they're starting their own business. And, being a pro poker is simply another type of business. You need to look at every possible revenue stream and take seriously it's potential. It appears to me that without his endorsement deals, he'd be kinda poor despite his past winnings if you take life expenses into play. And expenses for him include your normal stuff like home, food, insurance, gas, light bill, etc. etc. Then, add to his: flights, car service, food on the road. Adds up quick.