Reforming in 1985, after Bill understood how difficult it was to be in two bands at once, the band consisted of Bill, Milo, Ray (on guitar), and Tony. (This is making my head spin.) Tony was unable to tour with the band, and was replaced by Doug Carrion. More changes were afoot, as in 1986, both Doug and Ray left (Ray to the software development industry), replaced by Karl Alvarez and Stephen Egerton.