Chris Murphy: we recognize that this is a very complicated issue and it's going to be very difficult to achieve these goals. mr. murphy: mr. altmire, we spend so much time with our business community, our chambers of commerce when we are back home and when they come visit us down here, that we know what the reality is out there. that these folks that right now

Chris Murphy: can't afford to give health care to their employees desperately want to do that. they want to do it first because it's the right thing. they are members of their they want to be able to provide health care to their employees whether they have two employees or 40 employees. that's just the kind of people that are out there runni small businesses by the skin of their

Chris Murphy: teeth across this country. but they also need to do it from an economic standpoint. they know that to the extent they can't offer health care or can't offer the kind of generous plan they'd like to, they are at a disadvantage against their competitors who can offer that type of health care. they are at a disadvantage

Chris Murphy: against the big employers who can steal their employees away. so this is really -- this is an issue that men are the solution. if we can offer them had whether it lower rates through private

Chris Murphy: plans a more affordable health insurance option they are going to take it. they are going to grab t we don't want to set up any incentives where they are going to push people off to the public plan, but we know that the majority of folks are going to want to be part of this solution out there just for reasons of