Wednesday, February 4, 2015

"7/7 Ripple Effect" is a brilliant tour de force that takes the London subway bombing attacks apart, piece by piece, and demonstrates that it was a planned event. It was produced by John Hill (aka Muad'Dib), who has a web site at http://jforjustice.co.uk/77. He sent a copy of his video the the judge and the prosecutor in a trial of innocent patsies, which led to his incarceration and trial for interfering with the judicial process. During his trial, however, the video was played and the jury, no doubt duly impressed by his impressive study, acquitted him. During the second hour, we have a review of the case by David Shayler, a former MI5 counter-intelligence officer, and Nicholas Kollerstrom, author of TERROR ON THE TUBE (3rd edition, 2011).
TERROR ON THE TUBE (2011) remains the only book with the glaring evidence that all four Muslim scapegoats were innocent. 7/7 is Blair’s Big Lie and Reichstag Fire, creating “false flag” terror as pretext for war and for imposing an Orwellian, neo-fascist British police state. Where 9/11 was the great pretext for war and fascism in the United States, London's 7/7 bombings brought the UK closer to the realization of the Orwellian police state. Is there a basis to the "war on terror" - or is the state itself terrorizing the British populace? The answer is in this compelling investigation. In its indictment of the prime suspects - the UK, US and Israeli secret services - in its demolition of the fabricated evidence they brought into play - and In its posthumous exoneration of four innocent young men, sacrificed and framed to shore up the rule of a crime cabal over our planet.

As such they depend on repeatedly terrorizing their subjects in order to justify their own existence and their control over subjects lives, and to further the inevitable agenda of more centralization and still more government.

All governments must operate the same way, all of the time- its inevitable.

So if you want government[s] in the first place, 9/11, 7/7 and all of the rest of the crap is a small part of the necessary price that must be paid by individuals for having those governments.

Seems to me that Mr Fetzer, plus the majority of his listeners, interviewees and posters , are just a bunch of rabid statists forever complaining about what their respective states inevitably must do to maintain power/achieve their objectives, yet out of the other side of their mouths the same persons [ie Fetzer et al] continue to pontificate about the imagined "necessity" of their glorious state[s].

The state is a religion. 7/7 , 9/11 etc are a small part of its [necessary ] way of trying to ensure continued faith in that religion by all of its adulators.

And so it goes.

See:"Government = The Most Dangerous Religion":http://onebornfree-mythbusters.blogspot.com/2014/09/government-most-dangerous-religion.html

I've heard that though the hearings tried to suppress too much info coming out, there were some suggestions the trains blew upwards, from below -- shown in photos and testimony and because many people's legs were injured badly.

The more I see news from the past, the more faked it looks. Watch this from the Gulf War, 1990;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isMtxbPdvzg

Charles Jaco was the CNN reporter famous for covering the 1990 Persian Gulf War.

The first part of this video shows the stage set he was on, and he was clowning around with fellow CNN staff. The Saudi Arabian "hotel" in the background were fake palm trees and a blue wall in a studio. This clip was leaked by CNN staff.

The second part of this video was a live CNN satellite feed recorded onto VHS showing the final cut. Charles Jaco was wearing a different jacket, but he had the same act. The acting was terrible as Charles Jaco wore a gas mask, and his fellow correspondent Carl Rochelle wore a helmet. The sirens and missile sound effects are part of the stage set. The camera never pans out or shows the sky.

? Reporter Spills the Beans and Admits All the News is Fake! - YouTube

Stewart Ogilby of Veterans Today and Bigeye.com just sent me a link to a new article he's published at Veterans Today which seems very apropos to the current discussion here, and makes roughly the same points I made here in my first post.

It's an image and you'd need a microscope to read what's written on it!! You really are scraping the bottom of the barrel to find support for your myths, wars, truth and civilization garbage! Please try harder or, on second thoughts - just rack off!!

Michael Hraba is a fan of the game Civilization 5 2v2v2!! Now that really is a great "research tool" on myths, wars, truth and civilization.

What "research tool" games do you play, anonymous financial "advisor" and "consultant"?

Does the government have the right under the 1st Ammendment to lie about facts such as Sandy Hook or to stage such events with impuity under the law? What is your point, OBF? Citizens are subject to the old sedition laws.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`Speech critical of the government".......For example, the Supreme Court never ruled on the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798, legislation by President John Adams' Federalist Party to ban seditious libel; three of the Supreme Court's justices presided over resulting sedition trials without indicating any reservations."

Compass said : "Does the government have the right under the 1st Ammendment to lie about facts such as Sandy Hook or to stage such events with impuity under the law?"

Joan, its best to forget such outdated concepts as government "rights", clearly the government/state does what it wants, whenever it wants to.

Of course, you and I have the "right" to not believe in their schemes, nor in anything else the news presents to us on a daily basis as "the truth".

Ultimately, the individual is always responsible for what they choose to believe, and no imagined law "to ensure truth" from either the government, nor from _any_news outlet can ever shield/protect the individual from liars. Only the individual can do that.

"Ultimately, the individual is always responsible for what they choose to believe, and no imagined law "to ensure truth" from either the government, nor from _any_news outlet can ever shield/protect the individual from liars. Only the individual can do that."

And what is goverment, ultimately, but a collective - a cooperative of individuals?

"Ultimately, the individual is always responsible for what they choose to believe, and no imagined law "to ensure truth" from either the government, nor from _any_news outlet can ever shield/protect the individual from liars. Only the individual can do that."

When "the individual is always responsible for what they choose to believe, and no imagined law "to ensure truth" from [either] the government" and when government is a collective/cooperative of individuals, then your specious and unsound "argument" is also and ultimately, totally flawed, nonsensical and irrevocably absurd.

We know all that, OBF. What I'd like to know is whether they can now tell the people they made a pretend town and a pretend school in Sandy Hook and committed a pretend shooting to persuade citizens in order to pass gun legislation and it was perfectly legal. In which case, Wolfgang Halbig can forget his lawsuit..

The train has left the station, OBF. How do you suggest we get off? Are you living on an island somewhere? Is there a spot on the planet that governments don't know about. We want solutions. Stop pretending people have a choice in this matter.

The 9/11 URBAN RENEWAL"attacks" at least were somewhat well done in so far as the video footage was concerned. To many untrained eyes, the 9/11 footage makes sense. However, lately, the quality of the faux videos, Boston to Paris, etc., is slacking off and looks like Keystone Kops antics. This is of concern because the news media needn't make a case for earthshaking events using video. All they need do is announce an event has occurred and people will do as they are told.

Compass said : "The train has left the station, OBF. How do you suggest we get off? Are you living on an island somewhere? Is there a spot on the planet that governments don't know about. We want solutions. Stop pretending people have a choice in this matter."

Compass said : "Stop pretending people have a choice in this matter."

I'm not pretending - you do have a choice. Many choices, in fact.

For just one example, you can choose to believe that if you get involved in some sort of political process, you can wait around for some sort of dimly imagined future political solution to your problems. Or, you can choose to believe that the political process is a complete waste of your valuable time, and instead look for direct solutions that do not depend on the actions of some nefarious political group/party who promise to "fix" your problem [whatever it might be].

Compass said : " We want solutions."

I don't care what any amorphous "we" entity supposedly wants. To be blunt, there are no "we" solutions, never have been, never will be. I deal with individuals only, strictly on an individual basis. The belief that there are "we" solutions is one of the core , necessary to its existence, false beliefs of "the matrix", a false belief propagated to try to ensure that you do not leave that matrix.

And even if I _did_ deal with the big "we", you can be certain that I would not be posting supposed solutions on somebody's message board for everyone here to see. :-).

You "fix" the problem.....at a price, Mr anonymous and "condidential" financial investment advisor, consultant and rip off con man. Do you accept American Express or are you strictly a cash up front kind of operator?

"The State is almost universally considered an institution of social service. Some theorists venerate the State as the apotheosis of society; others regard it as an amiable, though often inefficient, organization for achieving social ends; but almost all regard it as a necessary means for achieving the goals of mankind, a means to be ranged against the "private sector" and often winning in this competition of resources. With the rise of democracy, the identification of the State with society has been redoubled, until it is common to hear sentiments expressed which violate virtually every tenet of reason and common sense such as, "we are the government." The useful collective term "we" has enabled an ideological camouflage to be thrown over the reality of political life. If "we are the government," then anything a government does to an individual is not only just and untyrannical but also "voluntary" on the part of the individual concerned. ........We must, therefore, emphasize that "we" are not the government; the government is not "us." The government does not in any accurate sense "represent" the majority of the people. But, even if it did, even if 70 percent of the people decided to murder the remaining 30 percent, this would still be murder and would not be voluntary suicide on the part of the slaughtered minority.No organicist metaphor, no irrelevant bromide that "we are all part of one another," must be permitted to obscure this basic fact. "

"If, then, the State is not "us," if it is not "the human family" getting together to decide mutual problems, if it is not a lodge meeting or country club, what is it? Briefly, the State is that organization in society which attempts to maintain a monopoly of the use of force and violence in a given territorial area; in particular, it is the only organization in society that obtains its revenue not by voluntary contribution or payment for services rendered but by coercion. While other individuals or institutions obtain their income by production of goods and services and by the peaceful and voluntary sale of these goods and services to others, the State obtains its revenue by the use of compulsion; that is, by the use and the threat of the jailhouse and the bayonet.[3] Having used force and violence to obtain its revenue, the State generally goes on to regulate and dictate the other actions of its individual subjects. One would think that simple observation of all States through history and over the globe would be proof enough of this assertion; but the miasma of myth has lain so long over State activity that elaboration is necessary."

OBF, how did this thread on 7/7 turn into a discussion of philosophy of government? Your thoughts are much too esoteric for our purposes in the here and now of trying to discover what is in store for us under the current state which is in the process of vast media propaganda using these false flag manipulations using really bad video. I'd rather you use your talents and insights to comment on this topic.

"Your thoughts are much too esoteric for our purposes in the here and now..."

What thoughts? OBF has no thoughts.He merely posts links to other individuals'blogs etc. and then skedaddles for a few days until it's time for him to post more of "his" second hand, third party linked "thoughts".

nick comes short (for years now) of calling 7/7 out for exactly what it was; a complete hoax victims and all, a la 9/11. a half a hoax is no hoax at all. doesn't it seem that all these hoaxes were designed/scripted to be unravelled with time? (9/11 dancing Israelis, shanksville, peter powell, the missing luton train, sandyhook, etc. etc.). doesn't the time seem rife, right about now? greetings and good wishes to all. peter.

Compass said : "OBF, how did this thread on 7/7 turn into a discussion of philosophy of government? Your thoughts are much too esoteric for our purposes in the here and now of trying to discover what is in store for us under the current state which is in the process of vast media propaganda using these false flag manipulations using really bad video. I'd rather you use your talents and insights to comment on this topic."

First of all, I have no control of over the direction discussions take in these threads, nor do you. No differently from anyone else, you are free to ignore my posts or not - again, its yours [and their] choice.

Second of all, if you do not ever come to an understanding of what governments really are, what they do and why they do it, you will be forever locked in an endless loop of being goggle-eyed /bamboozled over the next psy-op the state pulls out of its hat.

Now, if you wish to remain in that endless loop of eternal fascination with the state and its latest horror stories, that's your choice, although I should warn you that your continued ignorance about that true nature might well get you imprisoned/killed at some point.

If not, there is plenty of information, "esoteric" and otherwise, out there that goes into detail on the true nature of the state, as well as my own minor contributions :

"The Lying, Criminal, State ":http://onebornfree-mythbusters.blogspot.com/2007/10/lying-criminal-state.html

" Second of all, if you do not ever come to an understanding of what governments really are, what they do and why they do it, you will be forever locked in an endless loop of being goggle-eyed /bamboozled over the next psy-op the state pulls out of its hat.

Now, if you wish to remain in that endless loop of eternal fascination with the state and its latest horror stories, that's your choice, although I should warn you that your continued ignorance about that true nature might well get you imprisoned/killed at some point."

Translation;

"Second , I'm smarter than you and you're too f^#@ing stupid to understand and if you're going to stay stupid and uninformed, you're going to die. Well, hard cheese!!

" First of all, I have no control of over the direction discussions take in these threads, nor do you. No differently from anyone else, you are free to ignore my posts or not - again, its yours [and their] choice. "

LOL

" The state is a religion. 7/7 , 9/11 etc are a small part of its [necessary ] way of trying to ensure continued faith in that religion by all of its adulators.

And so it goes. "

Was it you or another Onebornfree individual who was the first to post a comment on this thread and thus divert the thread?