Blackberry rep that came to our office yesterday said January would be when the devices would start being shown and releasing..not sure if he was providing his opinion or fact though..He did bring up that when he first started they had 4 million subscribers..now they have 80+ million.

Yea who knows they might do ok. but do we really want them too? I think certain monopolies are better for the customer as we get a better service (power, water, and i think cell phones too) we only have a limited amount of market for developers and if they only have to makes apps for two or three phone os's we get more apps for those. I personally think that android, IOS, and microsoft should be the only mainstream. But i DO believe the small companies (i mean like garage tinker companies) are very healthy to spur new ideas.) Blackberry has no other real markets they are involved in and so not going to fair as well i think as say windows phone, IOS, and android all have MAJOR power behind them that can make the user experience better.. (just...(continues)

Um.....the Blackberry user base is somewhere between 4-5 times bigger than the Windows Phone user base....you know that right? Blackberry currently has 80 million users, while Windows Phone has somewhere between 10-20 million users....

yea i know but down the street i dont think it will be. one reason people like apple so much is everything syncs and works nicely between there mac pc, ipod, iphone and itv. if microsoft now has a nice amount of that same syncing and easy to use between all their products like the new windows 8 is promising.. windows makes the device and pc software well blackberry only has the device. get what i'm saying?

Dude, I've owned crappy windows phones that were worthless. Motorola Q, XV6700, XV6800 and XV6900. And when I say worthless I mean as in they couldn't do jack. Having seen Windows fail at supporting a phone platform let's just say that I will put my money on RIM over Microsoft in the smartphone market ANY OLD DAY.

I guess we will have to wait and see. I think all four can do well and give people more options. As for apps, developers can make more money developing apps for more than one or two OS's. I also would like to add that, the phones you mentioned, are not current Windows devices or anywhere near what is expected next month.

Microsoft has done very well at supporting the current phones, so far. What will be the determining factor for current WP owners, specifically the Titan 2, Samsung Focus S, Samsung Focus 2 and the Nokia 900, is the 7.8 updates. Those of us who still own first Gen WP's, will most likely upgrade to the new hotness of WP8.

The make or break for RIM will be, whether or not their new OS proves it was worth the wait and ta...(continues)

Jarahawk said:Yeah, because they JUST started making Windows phones...

ok wait... back up. windows is yet to make a phone. The rumored surface phone would be there first actual phone. Windows has been in the phone market since 2000 with windows mobile. Windows mobile had over 42% of the market in 2007 so you cant really say they suck because you dont get 42% of the market by sucking..? they have experience in the market. The new "Windows phone" software was started in 2010. blackberry has around 95k apps reported while windows market place has over 110k apps. and has the newer windows phones like the nokia 900, HTC Trophy, HTC Titan II, and Samsung Focus S are all great rated windows phones. I...(continues)

It actually goes back further than that....before there was Windows Mobile there was Windows CE....

And in the last year, Blackberry has seen an INCREASE in the number of users (not a decrease) and an increase in revenue (not a decrease) moreover surveys of Blackberry users indicate that most people are waiting to upgrade until Blackberry 10 comes out...so Blackberry 10 should see a major wave of new purchases....

It is beyond foolish to count RIM out just because the Google and Apple centric media tells you to do so....

Yes, but if i remember correctly ce was on pocket pc not a real phone.?

And yes even if blackberry has seen a boost in users (has it? I can't find this) and a boost in revenue (not a very big amount by any means). They are still losing ground in the usa. There small bolster in sales came from asian markets of low end blackberry phones. There continued delay of the blackberry 10 os (now set for March of 2013?) They are fighting hard to stay in but i wouldnt be suprised if some investors end up making RIM an offer they cant refuse and just selling the patents RIM owns. There stocks have inproved very little. Sept 24 they were at 6.40 a stock and now the are just under 8.00. Maybe they have some magic up the sleeve but i'm not bettting ...(continues)

Have you ever used a Blackberry? With Blackberry Desktop Manager it is just as easy to sync with a PC, add music etc as it is with an iPhone using iTunes....actually I would say that the Blackberry is better than iTunes because the user has more control over the process...

Huh? Talk about National bias. I think there are plenty of subscribers in Canada, Europe and Asia who would beg to differ. Hell if not insist upon pummeling you with their Blackberry device for such blasphemy.

sorry by markets i mean like pcs or elsewise.. ex. apple sells laptops, desktops, ipods and windows is the big giant in pc software, servers and all sorts of business solutions, now tablets and other odds and ends. but blackberry has what? the playbook?

The discovery (not really surprising but still discouraging) that none of my current Blackberry apps are going to work in Blackberry 10 and that I am (probably) going to have to repurchase them all over again (assuming any of them are ever actually converted to Blackberry 10 in the first place) is frankly enough to make me think that it is time to jump off the good ship Blackberry and find another platform.....the primary benefit of sticking with Blackberry is that my apps can carry over and I don't have to buy them again...now that ship has sailed...most of them will probably never be available at all on Blackberry 10, and the ones that are might not be available for a couple more years...and even then I'll probably be forced to buy them ag...(continues)

Making your new products 100% backwards compatable is a MUST these days. The video game systems got it right, and you can even still get a few newer computers with legacy PCI slots in them, but as far as the cell phone industry, that is lost.

New Blackberry 10 devices not being backwards compatable, as well as current windows phones not being able to upgrade to Win Pho 8. I know it's only missing 3 features, but still, that's a deal breaker. I can't even believe they announced that. If I was considering giving that company money, as soon as I heard that, it would have been a 100% no way.

Blackberry 10 is really a completely different platform altogether...the only reason they are even calling it 'Blackberry 10' (thus giving the false impression that it is a mere continuation of the traditional Blackberry OS when it is really a scrapping of the Blackberry and its replacement with a different OS) is because they got sued when they announced they were going to name it 'BBX', which would have made it clear that the traditional Blackberry OS has been completely abandoned.....this is more like jumping from X Box to Playstation that it is like upgrading from Playstation 2 to Playstation 3

It doesn't surprise me...but I am still disappointed...there are currently something like 30,000 apps in the Blackberry App World....I don't...(continues)

We better not have to. They could pull an apple where they charge you again for a different "version" of the app (Like Angry birds and Angry birds HD(for iPad)), but I really hope they don't become evil like apple.

It's true that the price of the apps is set by developers, but we're talking about transferring apps from one device to another...all modern OSes allow you to simply copy apps over...once you bought an app you don't have to buy it again....iPhone does it, Android does it, Blackberry does it.....Blackberry and iPhone is not as smooth as Android....Android does it automatically the first time you sign in and activate a new device it immediately begins downloading and installing all your apps, Blackberry and iPhone require you to manually download and install them, it isn't automatic......but still...you don't have to pay for them again...which is the only thing I care about....

Last time I counted, I have downloaded somewhere between 50 and 60 different apps from Blackberry App World in the time I have been using Blackberries....but I don't have them all installed right now....I won't claim I use all of them every day because I don't....and several of them are paid apps, that I really don't want to have to pay for again...some of them, to my surprise and delight, have actually been built in to the Blackberry OS, including Slacker Radio, Weather Channel, Shazam, VLingo and Facebook....well actually I guess I don't really know who pre-loaded them....at&t or RIM....but they are now pre-loaded....

That is rather impressive. I only have Evernote,Google Voice,Uber Social Blackberry Bridge and Facebook Messenger. I haven't downloaded many more than that to my Rezound so...I'm really not going to miss Android WHEN I upgrade to a BB10 handset. If you have paid for a bunch of those apps and RIM doesn't make you whole I can certainly understand why you would be ticked. But the hardcore Crackberry addict is going to excuse RIM for pretty much anything. Don't believe me...go over to crackberry.com and say anything negative about RIM and see how fast they jump in your shid. Even if you critique the Playbook they will get their claws out.

lol yea anyone who is still aboard the blackberry train is a true Crackberry addict and you cant change that... although the playbook. ouch.. I have been able to use those as we were cursed enough to try and sell a few and I was not sure why blackberry even bothered. Blackberry needs to come out of the gate strong with a quality product and this just wasnt it...

I have a Playbook, there's nothing wrong with it, it has stereo sound, which makes it great for playing music, and is very stable and has great battery life. I got in December of last year after they cut the price to $199 and it has never crashed once in the 11 months since, the only time it has been rebooted is to install system updates....

Tofuchong said:I really doubt that 3 - 6 months is enough time for them to build up a "healthy" supply of apps.

Everybody will always be comparing them to what is already available - Google Play store and App store. It's a nice step but should have been done much sooner.

I'm gonna guess that you're not a developer. Developers aren't going to just now start developing applications... instead, they were probably working on these applications the day the SDK was released. In fact, they could easily have been working on their applications before that as well considering that you can use Adobe Air to create BB 10 applications, as well as HTML5/CSS3.

I haven't done any programming since the late 90's...and then I did it in C++.....I have done some programming in Python and some more specialized languages like Macaulay 2 and Mathematica......but I don't know any of the languages that are currently used for mobile apps....although I do have some good ideas for apps...

T Bone said:Hopefully, RIM has made the process of conversion of apps really easy so that most of the apps will be ready by release date....

Converting your app to work to another device can be easy or difficult depending on what your application was written in. For example, I could adapt most of my C# code to work with iOS and Android (mostly) if I take advantage of the MonoTouch software.

So, it depends on what your application was previously written in. Believe it or not, if you wrote an Android App it is quite easy to make a few minor changes to get it work on Blackberry 10! Als...(continues)

If you're going to pose a question perhaps you should allow someone else to respond rather than answer it yourself.

Believe it or not, there are individuals who are every bit as loyal to RIM as there are those who are loyal to Android and IOS. I'm not one of them, obviously, but as soon as they roll out BB10 with a Qwerty keyboard, I will be back in the fold. I hate touch screen keyboards and I still keep all my personal data in my deactivated 9630. If there were a BB7 device with LTE... Well, let's just say I'd be a very loyal Crackberry fiend.