For all the talk about his increased zip, it still looked to me like anything he threw over 20 yards would've been soft enough to bounce off a cloud. His smarts and scheme will carry him for a while, but they're gonna figure out how to take the small stuff away, and he doesn't have the arm to make them pay deep anymore.

Remember when the Bills beat the Patriots 31-0 to open the 2003 season? They ended up 6-10, and the Pats won the SB.

If he's still this effective through week 6-7, then I will gladly admit I was wrong. His arm was weak last year and he still was incredibly effective. I just felt like at 37 years old with an arm already weakened by nerve damage, sometimes guys experience the dreaded diminished skills. If I'm wrong, Denver's gonna be a tough team to beat.

EDIT - I'm not sure that 7 TD's is as much a testament to his performance as it is an indictment of the New NFL.

peeker643 wrote:But his arm is stronger this season than it was last season.

I heard that too, but I don't think that's what I saw.

I'll say this: maybe his arm ain't what it was (whose is at that age I guess), so you're probably right on that count. But his mastery of the offense, coverages, routes and timing sure had me seeing footballs delivered where they had to be and when they had to be all night.

At least for Thursday playing against a team trying to replace 2 HoF back 7 guys.

I don't particularly care for Manning or the Broncos so if it was a one night deal or doesn't last all season I'll be perfectly happy about that.

Hikohadon wrote:Remember when the Bills beat the Patriots 31-0 to open the 2003 season? They ended up 6-10, and the Pats won the SB.

If he's still this effective through week 6-7, then I will gladly admit I was wrong. His arm was weak last year and he still was incredibly effective. I just felt like at 37 years old with an arm already weakened by nerve damage, sometimes guys experience the dreaded diminished skills. If I'm wrong, Denver's gonna be a tough team to beat.

EDIT - I'm not sure that 7 TD's is as much a testament to his performance as it is an indictment of the New NFL.

I agree about the 7 TD's. seeing as 2-3 of them were for what 5 yds or less? But it is still more of an indictment of it being Mr. Peyton Manning. He's not 30yrs old anymore, but he doesn't need to be. He can't carry a team with no D like he did ten years ago, but let's not pretend he didn't dominate defenses last year as well.

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Hikohadon wrote:Remember when the Bills beat the Patriots 31-0 to open the 2003 season? They ended up 6-10, and the Pats won the SB.

If he's still this effective through week 6-7, then I will gladly admit I was wrong. His arm was weak last year and he still was incredibly effective. I just felt like at 37 years old with an arm already weakened by nerve damage, sometimes guys experience the dreaded diminished skills. If I'm wrong, Denver's gonna be a tough team to beat.

EDIT - I'm not sure that 7 TD's is as much a testament to his performance as it is an indictment of the New NFL.

Again, it's Week 1. If you want to crown his ass, then crown his ass. I still think there's plenty of time for him to start showing signs of degradation and for the Donks to end up the 8th best team in the league (a shocking prediction!)

Hikohadon wrote:Again, it's Week 1. If you want to crown his ass, then crown his ass. I still think there's plenty of time for him to start showing signs of degradation and for the Donks to end up the 8th best team in the league (a shocking prediction!)

Crown his ass, how many crowns do you think that head can fit, it's been crowned out the ass already. They'er trying to run a historic number of plays per game, through his 37 yr old ass, in Denver. That's insane. Oh no now he doesn't have a top 5 arm in the league he has a top ten arm, cut him.

Me thinks you are too picky and have an unreasonable axe to grind for a 37 yr old HOFr still playing.

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QB arm strength might be the most overrated skill in all of sports. Manning has lost some zip? Okay, he just dissected the Ravens D. He's accurate and a master of changing the plays at the line and confusing the fuck outta the D.

Hikohadon wrote:Again, it's Week 1. If you want to crown his ass, then crown his ass. I still think there's plenty of time for him to start showing signs of degradation and for the Donks to end up the 8th best team in the league (a shocking prediction!)

Crown his ass, how many crowns do you think that head can fit, it's been crowned out the ass already. They'er trying to run a historic number of plays per game, through his 37 yr old ass, in Denver. That's insane. Oh no now he doesn't have a top 5 arm in the league he has a top ten arm, cut him.

Me thinks you are too picky and have an unreasonable axe to grind for a 37 yr old HOFr still playing.

That take is just flat retarded.

I say that I think there's a possibility that increasingly limited arm strength MIGHT cause Manning to drop off to the point where Denver is ONLY the 8th best team and that causes you consternation how? Jesus H Christ on a tricycle.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:QB arm strength might be the most overrated skill in all of sports. Manning has lost some zip? Okay, he just dissected the Ravens D. He's accurate and a master of changing the plays at the line and confusing the fuck outta the D.

I think there's a certain minimum throwing ability you have to have in order to be effective in the NFL. Clearly, Peyton has enough, for now. He's lost a few mph's off his fastball, but makes up for it with his smarts.

But if his fastball drops below 80, even those won't save him.

I merely suggest that at his age with the kind of injury he had, it's not impossible that over the course of the season with the beating it brings, his arm strength will drop another few notches to a point where even he can't be as effective as he once was/is now.

In retrospect, my ranking should've been based on where I thought the teams are right now, not where they'll be at the end of the season. So Denver should be higher right now since Manning will never be healthier (this season).

Hikohadon wrote:Again, it's Week 1. If you want to crown his ass, then crown his ass. I still think there's plenty of time for him to start showing signs of degradation and for the Donks to end up the 8th best team in the league (a shocking prediction!)

Crown his ass, how many crowns do you think that head can fit, it's been crowned out the ass already. They'er trying to run a historic number of plays per game, through his 37 yr old ass, in Denver. That's insane. Oh no now he doesn't have a top 5 arm in the league he has a top ten arm, cut him.

Me thinks you are too picky and have an unreasonable axe to grind for a 37 yr old HOFr still playing.

That take is just flat retarded.

I say that I think there's a possibility that increasingly limited arm strength MIGHT cause Manning to drop off to the point where Denver is ONLY the 8th best team and that causes you consternation how? Jesus H Christ on a tricycle.

Hikohadon wrote:Again, it's Week 1. If you want to crown his ass, then crown his ass. I still think there's plenty of time for him to start showing signs of degradation and for the Donks to end up the 8th best team in the league (a shocking prediction!)

Crown his ass, how many crowns do you think that head can fit, it's been crowned out the ass already. They'er trying to run a historic number of plays per game, through his 37 yr old ass, in Denver. That's insane. Oh no now he doesn't have a top 5 arm in the league he has a top ten arm, cut him.

Me thinks you are too picky and have an unreasonable axe to grind for a 37 yr old HOFr still playing.

That take is just flat retarded.

I say that I think there's a possibility that increasingly limited arm strength MIGHT cause Manning to drop off to the point where Denver is ONLY the 8th best team and that causes you consternation how? Jesus H Christ on a tricycle.

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+1 on this

Olbermann had a great rant about this other night. It's on Youtube if anyone cares to look it up, I'm too lazy to link it.

Hikohadon wrote:Again, it's Week 1. If you want to crown his ass, then crown his ass. I still think there's plenty of time for him to start showing signs of degradation and for the Donks to end up the 8th best team in the league (a shocking prediction!)

Crown his ass, how many crowns do you think that head can fit, it's been crowned out the ass already. They'er trying to run a historic number of plays per game, through his 37 yr old ass, in Denver. That's insane. Oh no now he doesn't have a top 5 arm in the league he has a top ten arm, cut him.

Me thinks you are too picky and have an unreasonable axe to grind for a 37 yr old HOFr still playing.

That take is just flat retarded.

I say that I think there's a possibility that increasingly limited arm strength MIGHT cause Manning to drop off to the point where Denver is ONLY the 8th best team and that causes you consternation how? Jesus H Christ on a tricycle.

"I'm sorry I ate your fish, OK?"

Oh no! It's F_F_F_FUDU C_C_C_Coming to K_K_K_Kill Hiko!

How will you C-C-C-Catch me K-K-Ken?

+1 on this

Olbermann had a great rant about this other night. It's on Youtube if anyone cares to look it up, I'm too lazy to link it.

Hikohadon wrote:Again, it's Week 1. If you want to crown his ass, then crown his ass. I still think there's plenty of time for him to start showing signs of degradation and for the Donks to end up the 8th best team in the league (a shocking prediction!)

Crown his ass, how many crowns do you think that head can fit, it's been crowned out the ass already. They'er trying to run a historic number of plays per game, through his 37 yr old ass, in Denver. That's insane. Oh no now he doesn't have a top 5 arm in the league he has a top ten arm, cut him.

Me thinks you are too picky and have an unreasonable axe to grind for a 37 yr old HOFr still playing.

That take is just flat retarded.

I say that I think there's a possibility that increasingly limited arm strength MIGHT cause Manning to drop off to the point where Denver is ONLY the 8th best team and that causes you consternation how? Jesus H Christ on a tricycle.

"I'm sorry I ate your fish, OK?"

Sorry Hiko you had the take that resembles a 70 or less on the IQ chart. Nobody was crowing PM's ass, he's still capable of doing 99.9% of all the things he did last year and two years prior, IOW his ass was crowned a long time ago. The dude is 37, and you're saying he might not have his best season this year, how profound of you.

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Cerebral_DownTime wrote:QB arm strength might be the most overrated skill in all of sports. Manning has lost some zip? Okay, he just dissected the Ravens D. He's accurate and a master of changing the plays at the line and confusing the fuck outta the D.

I think there's a certain minimum throwing ability you have to have in order to be effective in the NFL. Clearly, Peyton has enough, for now. He's lost a few mph's off his fastball, but makes up for it with his smarts.

But if his fastball drops below 80, even those won't save him.

I merely suggest that at his age with the kind of injury he had, it's not impossible that over the course of the season with the beating it brings, his arm strength will drop another few notches to a point where even he can't be as effective as he once was/is now.

Of course all you wrote above is a great take, knowledgable and true. But u didn't say "maybe" he show his age IIRC correctly. U declared the million dollar man with the $5 obligatory SEC haircut DOA. This season.

In this band of a hole brothers that earns a minor ball bust when he goes yard literally that day. Lol Murphy's Law of prognostication. That's all. Nothing more.

Cerebral_DownTime wrote:QB arm strength might be the most overrated skill in all of sports. Manning has lost some zip? Okay, he just dissected the Ravens D. He's accurate and a master of changing the plays at the line and confusing the fuck outta the D.

I think there's a certain minimum throwing ability you have to have in order to be effective in the NFL. Clearly, Peyton has enough, for now. He's lost a few mph's off his fastball, but makes up for it with his smarts.

But if his fastball drops below 80, even those won't save him.

I merely suggest that at his age with the kind of injury he had, it's not impossible that over the course of the season with the beating it brings, his arm strength will drop another few notches to a point where even he can't be as effective as he once was/is now.

Of course all you wrote above is a great take, knowledgable and true. But u didn't say "maybe" he show his age IIRC correctly. U declared the million dollar man with the $5 obligatory SEC haircut DOA. This season.

In this band of a hole brothers that earns a minor ball bust when he goes yard literally that day. Lol Murphy's Law of prognostication. That's all. Nothing more.