House Speaker John Boehner told host Chris Wallace on "Fox News Sunday" that President Barack Obama is "not being serious" about proposing a deal to avert the so-called "fiscal cliff," slamming the president and Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner's initial offer.

"It was not a serious offer," Boehner said. "I looked at [Geithner] and I said, 'You can't be serious?'

"You know, we've got several weeks between Election Day and the end of the year. And three of those weeks have been wasted with this nonsense."

Boehner doesn’t have a clue what is going on. Apparently he laughed at Tim Geithner because the Democrats put forth a ludicrous plan.

Who the hell cares? Is this supposed to show that Republicans are “on to” the Democrats?? We know they are a joke? Their plan is ridiculous, and we’re going to tell the world?

Who the hell cares? What are the Republicans prepared to do? I say that they are prepared to do nothing at all, except pretend to be outraged and to perform a little Kabuki theater about being an opposition party.

The Republicans need to stop laughing. They need to push Obama to be more Obama-like, and they need to vote “present” when the bad bills come up for a vote. Let the country’s decline steepen. Put Democrat fingerprints all over it. If the Republicans try to provide any assistance in steering this ship, then 100% of the blame for the result will be on the GOP. Don’t they see that?? Or are they too busy yukking it up?

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posted on 12/02/2012 7:18:21 PM PST
by ClearCase_guy
(Global Warming is a religion, and I don't want to be taxed to pay for a faith that is not mine.)

Since Sobber of the House Boehner hasn’t figured out that the Obama Administration is only seeking the REVENGE of Communist Party Member Frank Marshall Davis, Boehner must be dumber than a bag of hammers and sickles.

The House Republicans could just vote on and pass Obama’s Simpson-Bowles Commission recommendations. They won’t have to actually think too much about it. Just stick together and put the ball back into the Dim’s and Obama’s court. I really don’t want the Repub’s to think about this as they tend to lose their collective spines.

As obvious as everything that you said is, I have little doubt that they do not understand (or if they do, they do not care). One way or another, Boehner is going to make sure that the Democrats are successful in pinning the upcoming (and inevitable) recession and/or collapse on the Republicans. We must have a responsible bi-partisan effort, of course. And Boehner will provide that, not understanding that he will be throwing this country under the bus, in doing so. I would love to see the Republican establishment surprise me, but I don't see it happening.

Mr Boehner should not be negotiating with Mr Geithner. Boehner is the leader of one of the co-equal branches of government. Mr Geithner is not! Aside of being a tax cheat, Geithner is merely a secretary for the administration..... If Obama doesn’t want to talk to Boehner, then Boehner should pass a bill making permanent all of the Bush tax cuts and go home for the holidays......

I dunno. Maybe Boehner *ought* to threaten the WH with having most of the House Republicans vote ‘present’ on this and then start a national campaign blaming Democrats for whatever happens to the economy unless 0bama gives Republicans what they want.

RE :”House Speaker John Boehner told host Chris Wallace on “Fox News Sunday” that President Barack Obama is “not being serious” about proposing a deal to avert the so-called “fiscal cliff,” slamming the president and Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner’s initial offer. “It was not a serious offer,” Boehner said. “I looked at [Geithner] and I said, ‘You can't be serious?’

Unfortunately Obama is many steps ahead of Bohner. This is all just a part of Bohner’s dance of surrender preparing us for when he says “This the best deal I could get you”

So Obama presents Bohner with his grand wish list, all popular give-aways to voters paid for by those ‘taxes on the rich’.

What does Bohner have to to counter him?

1) No tax cuts for anyone unless the rich get them too? (This is not a winning position now. He will not hold to this, and he doesn't plan on it either. But I am thinking that waiting on this till next year just helps Obama, not hurts him)

2) No deal without entitlement reform? (So Obama says ‘Fine, tell us all what cuts you want to make to medicare and Social Security. We are listening” But specific cuts to medicare has been used by both sides against the other. So Bohner doesn't want to propose his own plan on those either.)

I am not sure of the end game here either. The deadline comes polling shows it will be the republicans fault. It hurts defense. And the other cuts are not enough to scare Dems because no entitlements will be touched and taxes go up on everyone.

Is it make the best deal you can and live to fight another day? We obstructed him for 4 years and all we got was another 4 years. I think you could get a more balanced approach sooner rather than later. The longer it goes the less the Dems will feel the need to deal. I could be wrong though.

RE :”I am not sure of the end game here either. The deadline comes polling shows it will be the republicans fault. It hurts defense. And the other cuts are not enough to scare Dems because no entitlements will be touched and taxes go up on everyone. Is it make the best deal you can and live to fight another day? We obstructed him for 4 years and all we got was another 4 years. I think you could get a more balanced approach sooner rather than later. The longer it goes the less the Dems will feel the need to deal. I could be wrong though”

Yes, are told we only have two options:

Option 1: (lose) Repeat the past mistakes, claim it is principle, get crushed (polls, angry phone calls, emails), surrender and in the end give O what he demands in a secret vote, then blame the media, lots of whining, then get beat in the general election. In fact if you recall the final FICA extension (total cave) last year was passed by the R House quietly almost in secret .

Option 2 (surrender): Give Obama pretty much what he wants, then have Republicans primaried out of their seats for surrender, have half the new ones lose(O's hope anyway), then be completely demoralized, and decide there is no hope. (Wasnt this just 3 weeks ago?)

These are both disasters and they are exactly what Obama is trying to get. That is why I suuggest a new idea, fight to WIN not to LOSE.

First thing they need to do is pass those so called middle class CUTS in the house, everyones income under $250K, or hell, even 500K might work. And send that to the Senate and on ALL the TV shows repeat : “ crisis-over, we protected the middle class. WE CUT TAXES. OK, Mr President. What do you need from us? Lets play negotiate”

And dont negotiate with Dems. Obama negotiates with voters, Republicans negotiate with Obama. Guess which one works? (there is another reason why this is so, can you guess what it is?)

If Republicans are taking the position that those middle class tax cuts cannot be extended unless they get O and Reid to sign onto those tax cuts the amounts over those above($250K/$500K) , and entitlement cuts, we all know how that will play out. No need to act shocked.

Look, if Bohner REALLY beats O at this then I will be the first here to admit I was wrong. But I havent seen anyone here who claims that they think that it will happen. That is the most amazing part. It's like "Please lose again"

I’m still waiting for a Republican to figure out that taxing income is not going to effect the wealthy.

This is all just charade. The government is not going to get smaller. The Republicans will just float a solution worse than raising taxes to scare us and then we’ll be relieved when they only raise our taxes.

I think perhaps the “confiscate 401K’s” maybe how the Republicans do it.

RE :”-claim it is principle, get crushed ..... Is that not the conservative way? That is the way many, many here think and act.”

I appreciate you seeing it.

This cult like behaviour: “We cant win. Everyone is against us. Lets lose on principle, again, and again, then blame the media and act surprised”

But in the end they always (at least the past two years) give O what he wants. So what principle is that?

Here's some simple rules no one ELSE will say:

1) If you win your primary and lose that seat to a Dem, dont blame voter fraud, the MSM, or (put excuse here) ...that is your failure.

2) If you vote against a bill that your house controls and it passes anyway (like budget control) after losing a visible public confrontation and the voters turn on your party and then O signs it into law, THEN that is losing not winning. Dont tell me a principle was served by that.

RE :”History(the only thing that matters here) proves that Boehner will cave.”

I go further than that. He already decided to cave. His comments yesterday to Wallace were designed to tell his House troops : “Look, I am with you. I am fighting the best I can” before he tells them that they must swallow that Pelosi crap sandwich again.

I just cant fake surprise next month when this has played out over and over again.

RE :”I can just hear Obama whine 2 years from now, when our debt is 20-22 TRILLION..  Hey, this was agreed to by Democrats & Republicans alike! Dont blame ME!  (End of Republican Party regarding POTUS)’

Well after he gets taxes to go up on ‘the rich’ then he wont have much of an argument on that anymore. Republicans can play thre O game and blame everything on those tax increases.But unfortunately that will be too late to hurt O because he was already re-elected.

That is why he strategically (and got Pelosi, and some Senate Dems) caved on this exactly two years ago (Dec 2010) to the last congress, techically caved on tax cuts to the 2010 Senate minority filibuster. So he could run his re-election campaign on ‘the rich caused the deficits’, and it worked for him. (I saw this coming a mile away.)

The problem with such huge deficits is that if a R does take the WH in 2016/2017 then he will be trapped by the massive debt and will be advised that he must raise taxes.... well remember 1990 ???? You think Republicans are shooting each other now?

RE :”The Republicans in D.C. had all of 4 years to EXPLODE IN PUBLIC over NUMEROUS Obama atrocities, but instead hid in their offices. ..... And NOBODY backed them up, other than lip service. Boehner set us up for failure regarding negotiations 2 years ago, and he will complete the castration shortly. Good luck all.”

WOW, talk about negative vibes :)

Did you see our old *friend* was calling me 'negative' on that unrelated thread today??

He is the same one who on Nov 2 posted that Romney was going to win big and take back the Senate.

Sorry bout that. I believe everything I posted. We could have run Obama out of town, DESPITE the MSM if we had relentlessly fought back, but representatives in (D.C.) did next to nothing. Americans are busy working and supporting families, and we can’t do Tea Party protests in D.C. very often. THAT is what we pay handsomely for our D.C. representatives to do. They took our money, and hid in the closet for 4 years. What should I feel positive about?

Not matter what Boehner agrees to the potus will respond by raising the bar.

Obamski wants a train wreck in 2013/14 that he can blame, through the complicit media, on GOP intransigence on "taxing the rich".

Obamski's eyes are on November, 2014. He wants two years with a liberal Senate, SCOTUS and House. He has two out of three. Once he gets all three he will have two years without concern for re-election, to make his first two years look like the Reagan Revolution.

This is his goal and his strategy to get there is to force the GOP to "stand firm on the line in the sand" of no tax increase.

The kids in the GOP think that they are being principled but they are being played.

They won the WH on the "the GOP protects the 2% and hates the 47" strategy. The dopes in the GOP not only don't know how to defend against it, they don't even see it. I coach football. Rule number one...if your offense is working keep running the same plays.

I say give him what he wants now on taxes (except the debt ceiling control). It will suck but it will save the House and ultimately what is left of this country.

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