You have to hand it to Floyd Mayweather. You really do. Somehow, a guy who makes bad fights, is an extraordinarily protective matchmaker, and nearly impossible to like stands on top of the world of sports. Or at least on a mountain of cash.

In less than one month’s time, a record number of people will pay out just under 90 bucks for what will surely be the largest Pay Per View grossing fight in the history of oxygen and all other necessities.

Let’s face it, while boxing needs this fight like none other, there’s half a chance it may be a slog. A never-ending series of shoulder rolls, pot-shotting, and fancy footwork from the Money Man that will quite likely flummox Manny Pacquiao and lead to a unanimous decision victory by Floyd that will neither excite nor inspire. That’s not to say I don’t want to be wrong. Hell, I’m desperate to be wrong. Not only for myself as a fan, but for the sport of boxing as well.

The worst thing for the sport would be for this fight to never happen. The second worst thing is for it to happen, and, well, have it suck. Considering that Floyd probably does see true danger in fighting the fast handed Filipino, I’m not expecting fan-friendly Floyd on May 2nd. I’m anticipating the ultra-cautious, highly-skilled, defense-first expert who never loses, but often leaves you wondering why you spent all that middle class money on a lower class entertainment.

I expect Manny to do his part to try to keep it from going that way. I suspect he will be busier, throw unusual angles and harder punches at Floyd than he has probably ever seen before. I’m just not sure it will work Floyd out of his shell. If Manny hasn’t landed something heavy in the first three to four rounds and isn’t clearly ahead on the early scorecards, Floyd will have no reason to alter his game plan.

The question is can Manny pull that off? Like many, I would be more confident of that possibility were the fight taking place five years ago. While both fighters have shown vulnerability since the desire for this fight originally reached fever pitch, Manny has clearly had the rougher time of it. It’s not so much the ridiculous malfeasance of the three blind judges of Pacquaio-Bradley 1, who awarded the fight to the clear loser, or even the devastating knock out of Manny by Marquez in their 4th fight that concerns me so. It’s that Manny has clearly lost some of the dynamism that made him such a hard foe to counter. Let’s face it, Manny hasn’t knocked anyone out since Miguel Cotto during the first year of the Obama Administration.

You know who is more keenly aware of that fact than anyone? Floyd Mayweather.

Whenever these two got together, it was always going to be the biggest fight ever. So Floyd waited. Why? Because he knew that Manny’s offense first style would likely atrophy his skills at a faster rate than Floyd’s “protect yourself at all times” methods. The only question now is how much has Manny slipped? Floyd is betting enough to make the fight a low risk proposition for him.

Which for the most part is how Floyd has made all of his matches. Sure, there are a lot of fancy names on Floyd’s resume. But ask yourself, how many of them were right smack dab in their prime when Floyd met them in the ring? By far his match ups have been against guys slipping down the ladder (Oscar De La Hoya and Shane Mosley), or still on their way up it (Canelo Alvarez and Victor Ortiz). Most of the time the former more than the latter.

That isn’t to say Floyd isn’t a great fighter. Of course he is. Few have ever packed so much skill into such a small frame as Floyd Mayweather Jr.

It’s certainly not that he isn’t smart either. For all the jokes about his reading skills, he sure knows how to gauge his opponent and negotiate a favorable contract.

Despite all this caution, he is perhaps the single greatest individual draw in sports. He manages this at a time when the sport he has invested his time in is considered to be on the decline. Think about that. Boxing is arguably at one of the lowest points in its esteemed history and most of Floyd’s fights aren’t even that fun to watch. Not only that, he’s not exactly a guy you would want to spend 15 minutes with next to you on a bar stool. He is impossibly arrogant (even by boxing standards), intermittently mean-spirited and nasty, and if you go by the police blotter, a serial abuser of women.

So what is it that makes this guy such a big deal? The only answer I have is he’s the fella you love to hate. He keeps winning, talking, and offending at such a high rate that even those who are at best casual fans of his sport are dying to see someone, anyone, beat him.

That is Floyd Mayweather Jr.’s magic trick. One part success plus one part hate equals a whole lot of money, and we are the people in the audience wondering where that rabbit came from. Now excuse me, I’ve got to pull up my PPV channel on my cable box and plunk down $89.95 like the easy mark I am.

COMMENTS

-Froggy :

Good read, but I don't think Floyd decided when to fight Pacquiao, he was told to fight Pacquiao ! I don't think Floyd will fight Pacquiao the way he wants to, Pacquiao will decide how Floyd fights on May 2 ! Just look at Floyd's last two fights, does anyone really think Maidana is in the same league as Pacquiao ? It's all over but the crying for Floyd !

-stormcentre :

Can't wait for this.
Would love to see that ShowTime contract and cut to the chase.

-amayseng :

Got to hand it to him even without fighting Pac he has been ridiculously successful.

-#1 PacFan :

This is spot on! I have always said that Floyd never fights guys in their prime. Floyd will walk Manny down like many here say haha. I would love for Floyd to try to do that. But then again most will say oh he came with the wrong game plan. No excuse here. Manny will be in the best shape of his career. Floyd will be in my opinion the best fighter in this era if he beats PAC.

-Big Daddy :

Yes Mayweather if not the best Boxer of this generation is certainly the best Match Maker. Fighters he never fought in their prime include Moseley, Cotto, Margarito, Tyszu, DLH, and now Manny. However, Pac and May are still considered by most #1 and #2 P4P. A lot of people were complaining about Pac-JMM 4 before the fight and it turned into a damn good impression of Hagler-Hearns. I get it if you don't have enough friends to pitch in $10 or $20 on the fight. But, other than that what's the Big Deal. I think Manny isn't going to let it be a Boring Fight. And they both know what this fight means to their legacies. More so to Floyd's fluffed up resume.

-SouthPawFlo :

Soooooo Corrales wasn't in his prime, Judah wasn't, Victor Ortiz hasn't been right sense, Maidana was definitely at his best following the Broner win, Ricky Hatton was an undefeated Champion, Marquez was fresher than he was when he KO'd Pacman, Oscar was the Biggest Star in the Sport at the Time, Shane was coming off his biggest win in a while, The version of Cotto at 154 wasn't better than the Drained Cotto back in 2009???
The question is when Was Floyd in his Prime????

-stormcentre :

I think people - right or wrong - dislike Floyd so much, that that combined for the outpouring of love they feel for Pac means they legitimately just can't see that Floyd has actually put in some brilliant performances with guys in their prime.
Sure Floyd has cherry picked too.
But, so has Pac; Rios, Algieri, catch-weights etc.
Good post SouthPawFlo.
Can't wait to see how each guy deals with the other's neutralisers.
:)
With all this promotion and pressure, and the heat of the decades big lights . . someone's chin, ego and record is getting checked in this one.
Personally, I think Floyd has had 2 primes.
One was certainly when he was in the lightweights, as he was a technical demon and sophisticate there.
The second, I think, was where he had what seems to be the renaissance of his recent career; probably starting at around either Gatti or Oscar.
The latter of which was a better version than Pac fought; in my opinion.

-stormcentre :

I think people - right or wrong - dislike Floyd so much, that that combined for the outpouring of love they feel for Pac means they legitimately just can't see that Floyd has actually put in some brilliant performances with guys in their prime.
Sure Floyd has cherry picked too.
But, so has Pac; Rios, Algieri, catch-weights etc.
Good post SouthPawFlo.
Can't wait to see how each guy deals with the other's neutralisers.
:)
With all this promotion and pressure, and the heat of the decades big lights . . someone's chin, ego and record is getting checked in this one.
Personally, I think Floyd has had 2 primes.
One was certainly when he was in the lightweights, as he was a technical demon and sophisticate there.
The second, I think, was where he had what seems to be the renaissance of his recent career; probably starting at around either Gatti or Oscar.
The latter of which was a better version than Pac fought; in my opinion.

-amayseng :

[QUOTE=SouthPawFlo;79375]Soooooo Corrales wasn't in his prime, Judah wasn't, Victor Ortiz hasn't been right s>ense, Maidana was definitely at his best following the Broner win, Ricky Hatton was an undefeated Champion, Marquez was fresher than he was when he KO'd Pacman, Oscar was the Biggest Star in the Sport at the Time, Shane was coming off his biggest win in a while, The version of Cotto at 154 wasn't better than the Drained Cotto back in 2009???
No. Judah just lost to Boldomir for God sake. Corrales had to dry out to make weight. Ortiz are u kidding? Seriously? Hatton was a great win tho coming from 140. Madaina is a B level fighter. Jmm was weight levels below Fliyd and Floyd came in over weight tho that was a masterpiece he sadly tarnished it. Shane was off 18 months and old. Dlh was a part time fighter and old.
cotto was annihilate d by Pac and ruined by Margacheato.

-SouthPawFlo :

Floyd first start being able to "pick"
His opponents after the Oscar Win and he was DOMINATING everybody even before that.. If you take away the first Castillo fight, 4 rounds of Corley & Judah who has he "struggled" with in almost 50 pro fights...
You really think he Cherry picked for almost 20 years???

-michigan400 :

Earnings "peak" like where Oscar was when he fought floyd is totally different than physical peak. Popular fighters are often past the physical peak. Like Floyd and Manny are now.

-Radam G :

Soooooo Corrales wasn't in his prime, Judah wasn't, Victor Ortiz hasn't been right sense, Maidana was definitely at his best following the Broner win, Ricky Hatton was an undefeated Champion, Marquez was fresher than he was when he KO'd Pacman, Oscar was the Biggest Star in the Sport at the Time, Shane was coming off his biggest win in a while, The version of Cotto at 154 wasn't better than the Drained Cotto back in 2009???
The question is when Was Floyd in his Prime????

Wow! I wrote about this in another Thread a month ago. And you missed it. I even provided up a comparative video. Oh, well! I'm not going to put it up again. You have blind love for Lil Floyd, so nothing will change your mind. And ain't nuffin' wrong with that.
He has done what a lot of pugs do -- conducted an optical illusion of super greatness -- remindful of the late, great Sugar Ray Robinson. Holla!

-Radam G :

[QUOTE=SouthPawFlo;79375]Soooooo Corrales wasn't in his prime, Judah wasn't, Victor Ortiz hasn't been right s>ense, Maidana was definitely at his best following the Broner win, Ricky Hatton was an undefeated Champion, Marquez was fresher than he was when he KO'd Pacman, Oscar was the Biggest Star in the Sport at the Time, Shane was coming off his biggest win in a while, The version of Cotto at 154 wasn't better than the Drained Cotto back in 2009???
No. Judah just lost to Boldomir for God sake. Corrales had to dry out to make weight. Ortiz are u kidding? Seriously? Hatton was a great win tho coming from 140. Madaina is a B level fighter. Jmm was weight levels below Fliyd and Floyd came in over weight tho that was a masterpiece he sadly tarnished it. Shane was off 18 months and old. Dlh was a part time fighter and old.
cotto was annihilate d by Pac and ruined by Margacheato.

You killed it, A-Seng. I mean you just killed it. Holla!

-deepwater2 :

Pretty Boy Floyd was so much better to watch then Money Mayweather.
Chico was Floyd's best win. He used some nice mind games on Chico before the fight by bringing up the fact that Chico hit his wife. An angry fighter isn't a very good fighter. Either way Floyd put on a clinic.
Judah should never have gotten the fight after blowing it at home against Baldomir. Floyd had the hometown on his side by not getting called for the knockdown and the ref not disqualifying him for his trainers rushing the ring. Floyd outlasted the weak minded Zab.
The Oscar fight was a draw or could have gone either way by 1 round.
Floyd beat the hell out of Hatton but he used his elbows and forearms with no threat of penalty. any other fighter fighting any where else would have warnings and points taken away.
Victor Ortiz quit against Maidana and I guess he beat Berto, so I still don't see how he deserved to fight Floyd. He quits too much and he quit against Floyd and was looking for a way out and Floyd gave it to him.Fouls,hugs and kisses don't win fights.
Floyd really should have stepped on the gas and stopped Guerrero and Baldomir.
Floyd has done a great job making money and is already in the hall of fame. In my opinion he should have pushed himself a little bit more and tried to fight Paul Williams, Margocheato, rematch Oscar,Tszyu, and Cuban Hurtado would have matched up very well against him back then.

-brownsugar :

Soooooo Corrales wasn't in his prime, Judah wasn't, Victor Ortiz hasn't been right sense, Maidana was definitely at his best following the Broner win, Ricky Hatton was an undefeated Champion, Marquez was fresher than he was when he KO'd Pacman, Oscar was the Biggest Star in the Sport at the Time, Shane was coming off his biggest win in a while, The version of Cotto at 154 wasn't better than the Drained Cotto back in 2009???
The question is when Was Floyd in his Prime????

Thanks for substantiating the facts.

-sumopop :

Corrales, Castillo, Judah were in/near their primes. No one confuses them with all-time great fighters. And Chop Chop? Come on.

-deepwater2 :

Corrales, Castillo, Judah were in/near their primes. No one confuses them with all-time great fighters. And Chop Chop? Come on.

Judah didn't deserve the fight but he was very much in the fight. The NSAC dropped the ball and proved inept for the Judah fight. Judah scored a knockdown but they never called it. And Floyd should have been disqualified when uncle roger stepped in the ring and attacked Judah during the fight.

-deepwater2 :

at least 6 minutes of illegal punches against Hatton. Cortez warned Floyd at least 30 times but no points taken.
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkOMPJIL5A4

-Froggy :

at least 6 minutes of illegal punches against Hatton. Cortez warned Floyd at least 30 times but no points taken.
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkOMPJIL5A4

This won't happen again on May 2, I hope !?

-deepwater2 :

This won't happen again on May 2, I hope !?

Floyd will try. He has mastered The Elbow. The Head Pull. The Forearm Crush.Push Tactics. Leading With The Head and Hitting On The Break.
Google Dirty boxing moves and see what comes up.
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imwGeX1SRFk
Floyd has every advantage in Vegas. the ref gives him 30 warnings without taking a point. The Commission lets him take away his opponents gloves after the weigh-in and his family can run into the ring and attack the other fighter without stopping the fight on a DQ.

-Radam G :

Lil Floyd's supporters will also tell you that they have really seen a tooth fairy, that tsAH is a real Wizard of Pugilism Oz, and that the physical Houdini has indeed come back from the dead. And is now also working for Lil Floyd and The Money Team. GTFOH! And CTFU! I will not even ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ that kindergarten pretending.
When followers get caught up in a cult-like behavior, you cannot deprogram 75 percent of them, because they have more than the Stockholm Syndrome. And they insist that you are completely dumb as syet with Da Manny, as they are with Lil Floyd. And you make up syet and make believe too. Again, GTFOH! and CTFU!
Lil Floyd was forced into this work by Showtime and his Wizard of Pugilism Oz. They took him out of the PPP. Hehehe! And Lil Floyd of the Big Boy [enchanted] mansion in Sin City now has weak-arse tricks of blood doping with his Vampire Facial around his muglights. And dat scared-of-Da-Manny bytch has two humbugs behind that curtain -- I mean in Camp Mayweather -- injecting, rubbing and pumping him full of dat syet while he fakes to be killing training with umpteen old skool and new tactics. One more time! GTFOH! And CTFU!
And the Wicked Witch -- I mean USADA -- is and will protect Lil Floyd's 6 because of a nice donation to its bullsyet. Hahaha! But now too quiet-on-the-lips, punkified [sic] Lil Floyd is still going to get his arse handed to him. Oh, YUP! FloHulk will not be able to pull off a step-on-your-toe-one-shot Hulkquez repeat. A bit over 20 to go before the dance, and Lil Floyd's head and feet, along with muscle everywhere have grown like weeds. OMFG TISB! Whatever!
Team Pac, Posse Pac and Nation Pac got all grounds covered. And since Money May is no longer in the PPP, Da Manny is going to triple butterscotch puck him up.
Dude ought to get his money back from Alex Ariza and fallen Angel "Memo" Heredia. They cannot do Jack, Jill, 10 hills or a million pills, fake-arse chopping wood or phony swimming to interrupt the destiny of the Mayvinci code getting broken and Lil Floyd given a large serving of defeat. Holla!

-Radam G :

at least 6 minutes of illegal punches against Hatton. Cortez warned Floyd at least 30 times but no points taken.
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkOMPJIL5A4

Even in that closing of the telecast, the late, great Manny Steward -- in his own words -- said that Lil Floyd has not fought a prime, at-his-best welterweight.

-Radam G :

OMG! Lil Floyd has never stopped a pug to the body in the amateurs or pros. But now he is going to BIG-bad wolf walk down" and "probably stop Pacquiao to the body late," let this weakling, punkified [sic] sparring hired gun of Lii Floyd tell it: ->https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=YouTube.be&v=TW7MB_qH0jc.
GTFOH! And STFU with the hopewich -- a hope sandwich.
Money May is out of the PPP. And is nervous more than ever. He is so pucked up with fright that he is ignoring his pops's pleading to not let Alex Ariza get too far involved with "all this new syet training." And to cut out the sneaky arse involvement with fallen Angel "Memo" Heredia.
We got some serious electronic surveillance popping up in Camp Mayweather, so with 23 days and counting, we know the desperate-arse times up there. Hehe! Holla!

-stormcentre :

Pretty Boy Floyd was so much better to watch then Money Mayweather.
Chico was Floyd's best win. He used some nice mind games on Chico before the fight by bringing up the fact that Chico hit his wife. An angry fighter isn't a very good fighter. Either way Floyd put on a clinic.
Judah should never have gotten the fight after blowing it at home against Baldomir. Floyd had the hometown on his side by not getting called for the knockdown and the ref not disqualifying him for his trainers rushing the ring. Floyd outlasted the weak minded Zab.
The Oscar fight was a draw or could have gone either way by 1 round.
Floyd beat the hell out of Hatton but he used his elbows and forearms with no threat of penalty. any other fighter fighting any where else would have warnings and points taken away.
Victor Ortiz quit against Maidana and I guess he beat Berto, so I still don't see how he deserved to fight Floyd. He quits too much and he quit against Floyd and was looking for a way out and Floyd gave it to him.Fouls,hugs and kisses don't win fights.
Floyd really should have stepped on the gas and stopped Guerrero and Baldomir.
Floyd has done a great job making money and is already in the hall of fame. In my opinion he should have pushed himself a little bit more and tried to fight Paul Williams, Margocheato, rematch Oscar,Tszyu, and Cuban Hurtado would have matched up very well against him back then.

Good points/post.
There yawl go . . . never let it be said that I am a bias Floyd nut-hugger.
:)

-stormcentre :

at least 6 minutes of illegal punches against Hatton. Cortez warned Floyd at least 30 times but no points taken.
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkOMPJIL5A4

Cortez was never going to seriously penalize Floyd.

-stormcentre :

Floyd will try. He has mastered The Elbow. The Head Pull. The Forearm Crush.Push Tactics. Leading With The Head and Hitting On The Break.
Google Dirty boxing moves and see what comes up.
->https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imwGeX1SRFk
Floyd has every advantage in Vegas. the ref gives him 30 warnings without taking a point. The Commission lets him take away his opponents gloves after the weigh-in and his family can run into the ring and attack the other fighter without stopping the fight on a DQ.

Floyd certainly knows how to bend those rules, that's for sure.
I am not so sure he will get away (as much) with the same tactics against Pac tho.
Not just cause Pac will be ready for the elbow, but also because the promotion and investment is not all from Floyd's side.
Arum, Roach, HBO and others from Pac's side will make sure that their concerns are voiced, heard, and noted; trust me on that.
It's one reason why Floyd is swimming and doing extra training-routines right now; as is Pac.

-Radam G :

Sa mga kababayan, itong laban ay "Good against evil."
To the stanks, Yanks, posers and Flogroupies, after Da Manny takes down bad boy Lil Floyd and beat Lil Floyd's full-of-dat-syet-FloHulk arse and break the Mayvinci Code, you all and he are invit to Bible studies with Da Manny. ->https://m.YouTube.com/watch?v=6CeR9uMVh1Y.
Rev. "Big" George Foreman and Rev. Aaron "Hawk Time" Pryor will be up in da hizouze! Don't miss it. Hehehe! Holla!

-brownsugar :

What a presumptuous and biased article...built upon a profound leap of logic which implies that Floyd just waits for fighters younger than himself to get older than himself before he challenges them ....
Is that anything like Bhop waiting around 5 years to rematch Kovalev because at the age of 55 years Bhop will circumvent the laws of time space and logic to somehow be the younger man physically the next time they meet?
Floyd is older than Cotto and Pac... He also beat the younger, healthier and or larger versions of each of their common opponents.
The author needs to subscribe to SouthPaul's NewsLetter.

-stormcentre :

What a presumptuous and biased article...built upon a profound leap of logic which implies that Floyd just waits for fighters younger than himself to get older than himself before he challenges them ....
Is that anything like Bhop waiting around 5 years to rematch Kovalev because at the age of 55 years Bhop will circumvent the laws of time space and logic to somehow be the younger man physically the next time they meet?
Floyd is older than Cotto and Pac... He also beat the younger, healthier and or larger versions of each of their common opponents.
The author needs to subscribe to SouthPaul's NewsLetter.

Love it !!!
No-one is agreeing on nothing, and now we have TSS heavy hitters (BS, D2, South . .etc) all stepping in with Amay, MMMRG, and the rest; with everyone having a slightly (or greatly) different view.
Floyd is just that type of fighter.
He's so technically smooth, clever and perfect in a lot of ways.
But then, there are some aspects to his game outside the ring (where many of his fights are arranged and sometimes in the initial stages of being won {in a psychological and Ali kind of way}) that will forever polarise people.
This forum will be on fire just before/after May the 2nd.
Good points BS.

-Skibbz :

I actually think Floyd took this fight because he feels he may be the one slowing down.. Sure you can still perform in the gym and you adapt your training to meet your current needs, but I just have a feeling Floyd took this fight sooner rather than later.
Remember how he looked as he waited for them to call the winner against Maidana, the reluctant and hesitant raising of his arm?
Just a thought..

-sumopop :

Who the hell is waiting around for BHop/Kovalev 2? Use a better example Brown Sugar. And yeah, Floyd is a VERY careful matchmaker. It's not bias, it's true. Sometimes that's how it works.

-amayseng :

What a presumptuous and biased article...built upon a profound leap of logic which implies that Floyd just waits for fighters younger than himself to get older than himself before he challenges them ....
Is that anything like Bhop waiting around 5 years to rematch Kovalev because at the age of 55 years Bhop will circumvent the laws of time space and logic to somehow be the younger man physically the next time they meet?
Floyd is older than Cotto and Pac... He also beat the younger, healthier and or larger versions of each of their common opponents.
The author needs to subscribe to SouthPaul's NewsLetter.

Bsug you are too smart and know age has nothing to do with wear and tear on the body.
Also space, time, that reminds me check out Interstellar you will appreciate it.

-stormcentre :

I actually think Floyd took this fight because he feels he may be the one slowing down.. Sure you can still perform in the gym and you adapt your training to meet your current needs, but I just have a feeling Floyd took this fight sooner rather than later.
Remember how he looked as he waited for them to call the winner against Maidana, the reluctant and hesitant raising of his arm?
Just a thought..

Fair call.
But, if we pitch BS' above post to its highest point we have Floyd, at an age that most guys are retired in the sport, still putting on some pretty good technical displays, shutting guys out, and here/there blowing guys out and/or dominating them to the point it is obvious they can't think and perform in there with him.
That's gotta count for something.
I agree though, the best version of Floyd was the "Pretty Boy" - rather than "Money May".
Still, nothing stays the same forever.
That is, except for corporate greed and stupidity in some business sectors of the world.

-The Shadow :

What a presumptuous and biased article...built upon a profound leap of logic which implies that Floyd just waits for fighters younger than himself to get older than himself before he challenges them ....
Is that anything like Bhop waiting around 5 years to rematch Kovalev because at the age of 55 years Bhop will circumvent the laws of time space and logic to somehow be the younger man physically the next time they meet?
Floyd is older than Cotto and Pac... He also beat the younger, healthier and or larger versions of each of their common opponents.
The author needs to subscribe to SouthPaul's NewsLetter.

Exactly. I was scratching my head when I read it. Like, really? You're going to those lengths to discredit somebody?
Even though his next opponent faced many of the same guys not only under less favorable circumstances but way after Floyd Mayweather already beat them. Not to mention, these same guys were older and coming off poor performances. But the same logic doesn't apply with the other guy?
OK, so when he faces a young guy, he's not ready, when he faces an older guy he's old, when the older guy is younger than Mayweather, he waited for them to slow down.
On the different end of the spectrum, I saw someone in here, can't remember who, defending the Algieri fight by saying he beat someone (Ruslan Provodnikov, by SD I think?) who almost beat someone good (Tim Bradley).
It's laughably bizarre.
But hey, I guess you gotta give people what they want.
But I did read something in one article today that caught my eye because it made a lot of sense. This one gambling guy who's been doing it for years and years said that Mayweather is like Duke or the Yankees: you can't stand him and you want to see him lose but they (almost) always win.
I also think there's a greater cultural disconnect between the boxing writers and the principal that makes it harder for them to relate to him.
So Mayweather "flashing" his wealth tend to rub people the wrong way. (Me personally, I don't have a problem with it. I find it motivational, if anything. I think it's incredibly inspiring to see a black athlete -- statistically the most likely to go broke post-retirement -- in such control of his finances and business dealings.)
That disconnect is often exacerbated when they don't "speak his language."
I also see people offended by his confidence, which often comes across as gross arrogance.
Pacquiao by comparison has the same level of self-belief/borderline self delusion as Mayweather.
No different.
If he didn't, he wouldn't have made it as far.
Also, the remark that he can break Mayweather's defense easily and that "God will deliver him to me" rank are delusional remarks that would make Amir Khan proud.
But there's nothing wrong with that! It just goes to show that they really are not that different. It just seems that different standards seem to apply and it's honestly a little mind boggling.

-Radam G :

Exactly. I was scratching my head when I read it. Like, really? You're going to those lengths to discredit somebody?
Even though his next opponent faced many of the same guys not only under less favorable circumstances but way after Floyd Mayweather already beat them. Not to mention, these same guys were older and coming off poor performances. But the same logic doesn't apply with the other guy?
OK, so when he faces a young guy, he's not ready, when he faces an older guy he's old, when the older guy is younger than Mayweather, he waited for them to slow down.
On the different end of the spectrum, I saw someone in here, can't remember who, defending the Algieri fight by saying he beat someone (Ruslan Provodnikov, by SD I think?) who almost beat someone good (Tim Bradley).
It's laughably bizarre.
But hey, I guess you gotta give people what they want.
But I did read something in one article today that caught my eye because it made a lot of sense. This one gambling guy who's been doing it for years and years said that Mayweather is like Duke or the Yankees: you can't stand him and you want to see him lose but they (almost) always win.
I also think there's a greater cultural disconnect between the boxing writers and the principal that makes it harder for them to relate to him.
So Mayweather "flashing" his wealth tend to rub people the wrong way. (Me personally, I don't have a problem with it. I find it motivational, if anything. I think it's incredibly inspiring to see a black athlete -- statistically the most likely to go broke post-retirement -- in such control of his finances and business dealings.)
That disconnect is often exacerbated when they don't "speak his language."
I also see people offended by his confidence, which often comes across as gross arrogance.
Pacquiao by comparison has the same level of self-belief/borderline self delusion as Mayweather.
No different.
If he didn't, he wouldn't have made it as far.
Also, the remark that he can break Mayweather's defense easily and that "God will deliver him to me" rank are delusional remarks that would make Amir Khan proud.
But there's nothing wrong with that! It just goes to show that they really are not that different. It just seems that different standards seem to apply and it's honestly a little mind boggling.

Nothing be [sic] mind bogging about super athletes. And what you call "Delusional remarks," or see as bizarre behaviors or strange beliefs. GOAT Ali, Boston Strong Boy John L. Sullivan and Jack Johnson are the pioneer of "delusional remarks" and strange-arse behaviors and beliefs.
Crazy and delusional to the norm -- faking syet -- are the rabbit foot($) and lucky drawers and lucky charms that get that/the athlete to greatness and achieving the impossible dreams to those weak humans who have fixed--and-limited thoughts on everything under the stars.
OMFG! Great athletes -- including Money May -- have rituals that will make you wonder if they are 100-percent cuckoo. For one thing, Money May put his Fam in special numbered ringside seats, as Jack Johnson, Joe Louis, Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali and a few other boxers did/do.
That's right! These pugs have lucky numbered seats. And would/will refused to fight if you don't give them those seat numbers and certain amount of tickets and certain room numbers on certain floors of their hotel that they are staying in before the scrap.
No numerology in placement of a certain amount of seats -- NO F*C*ING fight! I syet you not. And the desired seats and number of them must be given on a certain day before the fight. Or no go. In other words, every darn thing is in a contract.
There were already threats of this fight not happening if some hokey pokey didn't halt with the hotel rooms, floors and seats: ->http://sports.yahoo.com/news/cause-for-concern--mayweather-and-pacquiao-camps-trade-barbs-over-tickets--contest-01454295.
Strange to the norm is why they don't get to light years close to greatness or goals or successes. They are a bunch of fake, posing muthapuckas who don't know syet 'bout boksing and how it flows.
The normal joes, Janes and goes do not make it in a d@mn thang, babee! Not in athletic or academia. Not at the top of the ladder in syet. They are always being told how and what to think. And lose all the gadd@mn time and get made at da true playas, shot callahs and big-money makahs! These hating Jack are all crabs in a sink.
To the forever just above dead and sleep, they will be in that link. They have the minds of sheep in the middle and back of a herd. And always insist on the last word.
They seldom agree to disagree. Because they are the ones who are not learneth or have been given a single academic or honorary degree. On the knowledge of the actuality of the reality, they will rush to pee-pee.
Puck da normal! And what they have to say. In the feces of know how and greatness, they can even lay. Holla at the not normal, who made mucho delusional remarks. And have/had bizarre behavior.
John L. Sullivan was not one. Jack Johnson was not one. Jack Dempsey was not one. Joe Louis, Rocky Mariciano, Sugar Ray Robinson, Bob FitzSimmons, Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, Hector Camacho, Julio Chesar Chavez and Joe Calzaghe, to name a few pugs were some strange, delusional muthapuckas to da norm.
Da bullspitting has never made syet in science or sport. They just bit off others and bullsyet.
Howard Cosell, Richard Pryor, Malcolm X, Alexander The Great, Martin Luther King Jr., Nelson Mandela, the Filipino rebels who kicked da syet outta every attacker of the homeland, the AmerKanos who told England to GTFOH and dumped the royal tea in the sea, the World War II black air pilots, Bill Clinton, U.S Prez O, Pope Francis, Madonna, Mother Teresa and Malala Yousafzai, few, are/were said to be delusional in their choses and successes in their fields beliefs.
As of late, since the word of the Money May-Da Manny Scrap, some crazy syet has been popping off in Dodge -- I mean this Universe -- but it from the typical norm, not those who are said to make "delusional remarks" and have bizarre behavior, but are RIGHT more time than anyone else.
Hollering about Money May, he is none of the above. He is snaky and shaky. He has highs. He has lows. He has problems -- adjusting to actuality and reality outside dat squared jungle. And it is understood by those in da game. Kids who are brought up exclusively in boxing turn out his way 75 percent of the time.
There has been ex boxers in this Universe speaking about that. One that comes to my mind is reader BigJuicybug spittin' about Tony Ayala and the whole Ayala boxing clan. Holla!

-The Shadow :

Nothing be [sic] mind bogging about super athletes. And what you call "Delusional remarks," or see as bizarre behaviors or strange beliefs. GOAT Ali, Boston Strong Boy John L. Sullivan and Jack Johnson are the pioneer of "delusional remarks" and strange-arse behaviors and beliefs.
Crazy and delusional to the norm -- faking syet -- are the rabbit foot($) and lucky drawers and lucky charms that get that/the athlete to greatness and achieving the impossible dreams to those weak humans who have fixed--and-limited thoughts on everything under the stars.
OMFG! Great athletes -- including Money May -- have rituals that will make you wonder if they are 100-percent cuckoo. For one thing, Money May put his Fam in special numbered ringside seats, as Jack Johnson, Joe Louis, Sugar Ray Robinson, Muhammad Ali and a few other boxers did/do.
That's right! These pugs has lucky numbered seats. And would/will refused to fight if you don't give them those seat numbers and certain amount of tickets and certain room numbers on certain floors of their hotel that they are staying in before the scrap.
No numerology in placement of a certain amount of seats -- NO F*C*ING fight! I syet you not. And the desired seats and number of them must be given on a certain day before the fight. Or no go. In other words, every darn thing is in a contract.
There were already threats of this fight not happening if some hokey pokey didn't halt with the hotel rooms, floors and seats: ->http://sports.yahoo.com/news/cause-for-concern--mayweather-and-pacquiao-camps-trade-barbs-over-tickets--contest-01454295.
Strange to the norm is why they don't get to light years close to greatness or goals or successes. They are a bunch of fake, posing muthapuckas who don't know syet 'bout boksing and how it flows.
The normal joes, Janes and goes do not make it in a d@mn thang, babee! Not in athletic or academia. Not at the top of the ladder in syet. They are always being told how and what to think. And lose all the gadd@mn time and get made at da true playas, shot callahs and big-money makahs! These hating Jack are all crabs in a sink.
To the forever just above dead and sleep, they will be in that link. They have the minds of sheep in the middle and back of a herd. And always insist on the last word.
They seldom agree to disagree. Because they are the ones who are not learneth or have been given a single academic or honorary degree. On the knowledge of the actuality of the reality, they will rush to pee-pee.
Puck da normal! And what they have to say. In the feces of know how and greatness, they can even lay. Holla at the not normal, who made mucho delusional remarks. And have/had bizarre behavior.
John L. Sullivan was not one. Jack Johnson was not one. Jack Dempsey was not one. Joe Louis, Rocky Mariciano, Sugar Ray Robinson, Bob FitzSimmons, Muhammad Ali, Mike Tyson, Hector Camacho, Julio Chesar Chavez and Joe Calzaghe, to name a few pugs were some strange, delusional muthapuckas to da norm.
Da bullspitting has never made syet in science or sport. They just bit off others and bullsyet.
Howard Cosell, Richard Pryor, Malcolm X, Alexander The Great, Martin Luther King Jr., Nelson Mandela, the Filipino rebels who kicked da syet outta every attacker of the homeland, the AmerKanos who told England to GTFOH and dumped the royal tea in the sea, the World War II black air pilots, Bill Clinton, U.S Prez O, Pope Francis, Madonna, Mother Teresa and Malala Yousafzai, few, are/were said to be delusional in their choses and successes in their fields beliefs.
As of late, since the word of the Money May-Da Manny Scrap, some crazy syet has been popping off in Dodge -- I mean this Universe -- but it from the typical norm, not those who are said to make "delusional remarks" and have bizarre behavior, but are RIGHT more time than anyone else.
Hollering about Money May, he is none of the above. He is snaky and shaky. He has highs. He has lows. He has problems -- adjusting to actuality and reality outside dat squared jungle. And it is understood by those in da game. Kids who are brought up exclusively in boxing turn out his way 75 percent of the time.
There has been ex boxers in this Universe speaking about that. One that comes to my mind is reader BigJuicybug spittin' about Tony Ayala and the whole Ayala boxing clan. Holla!

Oh, I wasn't saying it as a slight. If anything, I give Manny credit for being that confident.
My point was that Mayweather articulates what they both feel more explicitly and in a manner that may put people off, especially among those demos that can't relate. Just like Ramadan doesn't resonate with me.
Even though both clearly share a comparable level of self belief bordering on that (prerequisite) delusion necessary for pugilistic greatness we've so often discussed before.

Oh, I wasn't saying it as a slight. If anything, I give Manny credit for being that confident.
My point was that Mayweather articulates what they both feel more explicitly and in a manner that may put people off, especially among those demos that can't relate. Just like Ramadan doesn't resonate with me.
Even though both clearly share a comparable level of self belief bordering on that (prerequisite) delusion necessary for pugilistic greatness we've so often discussed before.

Well even the 19 year old who is 3-0 right now waiting to get knocked out next month feels that same "belief". So does my 14 year old third basemen who wont even make the high school team.. Whats your point?
These two fighters cant be further from one another personality and integrity wise.
Calling oneself the best ever is not only arrogant and insulting to other fighters who are truly better, but it shows a level of ignorance and contradictory.
Floyd acts like a christian but doesn't know God says to be humble.
Floyd is a fantastic boxer and businessman but he is a stooge of a human being.

-amayseng :

Well even the 19 year old who is 3-0 right now waiting to get knocked out next month feels that same "belief". So does my 14 year old third basemen who wont even make the high school team.. Whats your point?
These two fighters cant be further from one another personality and integrity wise.
Calling oneself the best ever is not only arrogant and insulting to other fighters who are truly better, but it shows a level of ignorance and contradictory.
Floyd acts like a christian but doesn't know God says to be humble.
Floyd is a fantastic boxer and businessman but he is a stooge of a human being.

And any stooge buying or wearing his TBE crap is just that. The fact people buy in to it is ridiculous.
It makes it easy to pick out the dummies tho.

-deepwater2 :

And any stooge buying or wearing his TBE crap is just that. The fact people buy in to it is ridiculous.
It makes it easy to pick out the dummies tho.

Its not about "demos" being able to relate at all. Some people don't like his boxing style in the ring. He doesn't go for the kill very much during a fight.
Outside of the ring:
People in all "demos" do not respect a serial domestic violence offender.
Many people do not like any mega rich person flaunting their money.
Its not always about demos and racism.

-The Shadow :

Well even the 19 year old who is 3-0 right now waiting to get knocked out next month feels that same "belief". So does my 14 year old third basemen who wont even make the high school team.. Whats your point?
These two fighters cant be further from one another personality and integrity wise.
Calling oneself the best ever is not only arrogant and insulting to other fighters who are truly better, but it shows a level of ignorance and contradictory.
Floyd acts like a christian but doesn't know God says to be humble.
Floyd is a fantastic boxer and businessman but he is a stooge of a human being.

What was it Storm said, hypocrisy?
You talk about Christianity and God yet the same holy scripture says not to cast judgment on a fellow man.
You're one of the most judgmental people around. You don't even know him.
You said you beat somebody up and went to the joint for a night, right?
Not drawing any parallels, but if people judged you for that alone without knowing the context some may consider you a bad person.
Things aren't black and white. Like you, he's a single father and devoted to his children.
You consider yourself a good person, in spite of the aforementioned Christian violation, right? You seem like it.
Would that disqualify him from the same merit?
And calling him a poor Christian, ignorant and so on for calling himself the best ever and you happen to disagree is just preposterous.
He's entitled to his opinion, isn't he? And he's definitely up there so why can't he feel that?
And that's exactly what makes him what he is. (I'll return to this point shortly.)
OK, on to the next point.
Because you say they couldn't be further from one another integrity wise (even though I was discussing STRICTLY confidence), you completely disregard the other guy's past of making morally poor choices.
(And I'm not even going into integrity and sportsmanship here.)
But even if we for argument's sake assume that to be true, yes, they share a similar level of self belief that only truly elite athletes have.
So no your 14-year-old son damn sure doesn't fit that description and the 3-0 fighter who's gonna get knocked out sure as hell doesn't either.
Good example: Billy Joe Saunders said GGG could beat both him and Eubank Jr. in one night.
I guarantee you Saunders will never reach Manny and Floyd heights.
(I can totally understand Floyd's self mantra -- it's a winner's mentality; Sugar Ray says he believes he could beat Tyson -- and I actually admire it. We may be different that way, which is fair enough.)
Finally, I know you don't read too much and feel that points should be made clearly.
I think I made a great, salient and easily understandable point and the person to whom I directed understood.
So I hope you at least took the time to read this since I actually went out of my way to clarify for you.
Here's some food for thought: http://deadspin.com/dont-believe-the-hype-mayweather-pacquiao-is-not-good-1696609726

-The Shadow :

And any stooge buying or wearing his TBE crap is just that. The fact people buy in to it is ridiculous.
It makes it easy to pick out the dummies tho.

I find this comment very interesting and ironic on quite a few levels.

-amayseng :

What was it Storm said, hypocrisy?
You talk about Christianity and God yet the same holy scripture says not to cast judgment on a fellow man.
You're one of the most judgmental people around. You don't even know him.
You said you beat somebody up and went to the joint for a night, right?
Not drawing any parallels, but if people judged you for that alone without knowing the context some may consider you a bad person.
Things aren't black and white. Like you, he's a single father and devoted to his children.
You consider yourself a good person, in spite of the aforementioned Christian violation, right? You seem like it.
Would that disqualify him from the same merit?
And calling him a poor Christian, ignorant and so on for calling himself the best ever and you happen to disagree is just preposterous.
He's entitled to his opinion, isn't he? And he's definitely up there so why can't he feel that?
And that's exactly what makes him what he is. (I'll return to this point shortly.)
OK, on to the next point.
Because you say they couldn't be further from one another integrity wise (even though I was discussing STRICTLY confidence), you completely disregard the other guy's past of making morally poor choices.
(And I'm not even going into integrity and sportsmanship here.)
But even if we for argument's sake assume that to be true, yes, they share a similar level of self belief that only truly elite athletes have.
So no your 14-year-old son damn sure doesn't fit that description and the 3-0 fighter who's gonna get knocked out sure as hell doesn't either.
Good example: Billy Joe Saunders said GGG could beat both him and Eubank Jr. in one night.
I guarantee you Saunders will never reach Manny and Floyd heights.
(I can totally understand Floyd's self mantra -- it's a winner's mentality; Sugar Ray says he believes he could beat Tyson -- and I actually admire it. We may be different that way, which is fair enough.)
Finally, I know you don't read too much and feel that points should be made clearly.
I think I made a great, salient and easily understandable point and the person to whom I directed understood.
So I hope you at least took the time to read this since I actually went out of my way to clarify for you.
Here's some food for thought: ->http://deadspin.com/dont-believe-the-hype-mayweather-pacquiao-is-not-good-1696609726

This is the problem with those who do not read the bible and just regurgitate the ol' "judgement" argument.
The bible is not black and white either my friend.
Where in the bible does it say a person is not allowed to use their senses and intelligence to distinguish who is a decent or terrible person in life?
Am I not allowed to decide who I want to give my energy and support to? Am I not allowed as a parent to provide a path for my children of who or what to or not to follow? Am I not allowed to argue that a person is a fake christian because they flaunt money and woman and other immoral things while at the same time physically beating up women , up to 7 different accounts?
The "judgement" you think you are speaking about is not the same thing.
And integrity wise yes Floyd and Manny are opposites. Floyd is a racist that has made racist videos, beat women and used them like whores.
And also it was not my 14 year old son, my son is a stud.
And no I did not spend one night in jail, I did six weeks for a guy who put his hands on my sister. Imagine what I did to him for getting 6 weeks even when I was justified. You put your hands on a woman, or a child and I will leave my christian self behind for a few minutes, I am not built to accept that.

-deepwater2 :

This is the problem with those who do not read the bible and just regurgitate the ol' "judgement" argument.
The bible is not black and white either my friend.
Where in the bible does it say a person is not allowed to use their senses and intelligence to distinguish who is a decent or terrible person in life?
Am I not allowed to decide who I want to give my energy and support to? Am I not allowed as a parent to provide a path for my children of who or what to or not to follow? Am I not allowed to argue that a person is a fake christian because they flaunt money and woman and other immoral things while at the same time physically beating up women , up to 7 different accounts?
The "judgement" you think you are speaking about is not the same thing.
And integrity wise yes Floyd and Manny are opposites. Floyd is a racist that has made racist videos, beat women and used them like whores.
And also it was not my 14 year old son, my son is a stud.
And no I did not spend one night in jail, I did six weeks for a guy who put his hands on my sister. Imagine what I did to him for getting 6 weeks even when I was justified. You put your hands on a woman, or a child and I will leave my christian self behind for a few minutes, I am not built to accept that.

The bible says Jesus kicked some *** when he cleaned the temple and he did a bit more than 1 night in the joint.
In the satanic bible the first thing it says is #1. Satan represents indulgence instead of abstinence!
Not all crimes are equal. Hitting women and children is very low.
Advice from my Grandpa, "Women will forgive you for almost anything. They will not forgive your for hitting them or cheating on them so don't ever think about doing those things if you love your wife and family."

-Radam G :

This is the problem with those who do not read the bible and just regurgitate the ol' "judgement" argument.
The bible is not black and white either my friend.
Where in the bible does it say a person is not allowed to use their senses and intelligence to distinguish who is a decent or terrible person in life?
Am I not allowed to decide who I want to give my energy and support to? Am I not allowed as a parent to provide a path for my children of who or what to or not to follow? Am I not allowed to argue that a person is a fake christian because they flaunt money and woman and other immoral things while at the same time physically beating up women , up to 7 different accounts?
The "judgement" you think you are speaking about is not the same thing.
And integrity wise yes Floyd and Manny are opposites. Floyd is a racist that has made racist videos, beat women and used them like whores.
And also it was not my 14 year old son, my son is a stud.
And no I did not spend one night in jail, I did six weeks for a guy who put his hands on my sister. Imagine what I did to him for getting 6 weeks even when I was justified. You put your hands on a woman, or a child and I will leave my christian self behind for a few minutes, I am not built to accept that.

Amen! And AMEN! Actually you will be walking into your Christian self. Not leaving it behind for a few minutes.
Do not forget that Jesus Beat da HebeJeeBeez outta knuckleheads gambling in a house of worship. He told them to cut it out, but they kept it up every time that he was out sight and reach -- so they thought. But as you know, Lil Jesus, Lil God, Whatever you want to call Him, Cleaned HOUSE!
Jesus Was Always Busting bad arses and the whole 9. Modern-day slick-jacks try to punk you with taking the Bible out of contents. It is clear that there is a time, day and place for everything under the sun, including extreme, beautiful violence on and against muthapuckas beating down women and/or children and domestic animals. Or even mental or physical cripples and even the up-in-age old.
Sorry, The Shadow, but Da Manny speaks metaphorically. Lil' Floyd speaks literally. He actually believes dumb syet. But he is finally growing up in areas of his existence. And he realizes that he has been pucked up with stupidity from hanger ons. But then he get caught up in new syet again and again because he is hardheaded.
One can see clearly from the videos that I have dropped up in this Universe that his pops and uncles want Alex Ariza GONE! And the hidden in plain sight presence of Memo Heredia GONE! But they ain't gonna let their meal ticket alone. Holla!

-Radam G :

Talking about a typical pug's "delusional remark," Big Floyd is talking all type of bulljive about how his seed is going to kayo "dat d@mn Filipino" with body shots." YUP! Nyet!
Lil Floyd is going to be one scary-arse he-bytch up in dat squared jungle.
Every single time that he attempts to body snatch Da Manny, he is going to get a tap upside dat roid-using head. And if he keeps it up, Up in this Universe, I will have one heckuva Thread.
It ain't going to ever happen. Lil Floyd will not be body shooting. He will be taking incoming and out hollering and a hooping. Hehehe! He never wanted this work. And he has regrets for being strong armed into it. Holla!

-Radam G :

Sa mga kakabayan at mga Fil-Am. Itong walang niloloko. And to the Stanks -- I mean Yanks -- this is the real deal, more real than "Real Deal Holyfield.
Da Manny is no one trick pony. And is going to exposed all the bullsyet done by Ariza and hiding-@$$-in-plain-sight Heredia in Camp Money May as a collected one-trick phony-phony: ->https://m.YouTube.com/watch?v=fC3kwN1t-38. Holla!

I also think there's a greater cultural disconnect between the boxing writers and the principal that makes it harder for them to relate to him.
So Mayweather "flashing" his wealth tend to rub people the wrong way. (Me personally, I don't have a problem with it. I find it motivational, if anything. I think it's incredibly inspiring to see a black athlete -- statistically the most likely to go broke post-retirement -- in such control of his finances and business dealings.)
That disconnect is often exacerbated when they don't "speak his language."
I also see people offended by his confidence, which often comes across as gross arrogance.
Pacquiao by comparison has the same level of self-belief/borderline self delusion as Mayweather.
No different.
If he didn't, he wouldn't have made it as far.
Also, the remark that he can break Mayweather's defense easily and that "God will deliver him to me" rank are delusional remarks that would make Amir Khan proud.
But there's nothing wrong with that! It just goes to show that they really are not that different. It just seems that different standards seem to apply and it's honestly a little mind boggling.

I feel compelled to start this reply by mentioning I respect your views Shadow. At a time when this forum has decayed with inconsequent hostility, it's nice to know there are people who can look beyond the frivolity. Disconnect, your word, is particularly pertinent around these parts. Truth is, I've admired your unique ability to look beyond the trite, even if sometimes you overlook the means as it applies to the ends.
For the disconnect with Mayweather and his persona and why people are so antagonized by it, I'll give it a go and see if I can root out a few of the reasons. You remember in college, or high school, the one person that was invariably hated by the rest of the class. The hyper-motivated yokel, for whom knowing the material was never sufficient. The person who felt compelled to answer every question, and made a point of staying after class to polish the professors boots and endear himself to intellectual vanity. It wasn't so much the achievements of that individual that so rankled the others, but the exhibitionism, the obtrusive highfaluting.
With Mayweather, you get the feeling that in his mind, the sun comes up just to hear him crow. You call it confidence, where I call it hubris and a complete disconnect with, and I hate to use the words, simple manners. To use someone else's line: Mayweather is the guy who "wears blinding bling to the Cancer Ball". Other sports have a way of handling this type of glitter. Do you remember when Terrell Owens stamped on the Dallas Star? Can you recall a moment when a baseball player admired his 450 foot shot for a bit longer than was accepted? His next at bat would always be a point of fascination, as the high cheese comes whistling past his cranium.
The point I'm trying to make is that when a person has most everything that other people want, it seems gratuitous to rub their faces in it. Mayweather doesn't throw any bones. He doesn't pretend that his wealth and his fame are attributable to the millions that spend an obscene $80 to watch him fight for 36 minutes. He's the guy that doesn't know where confidence ends and gamesmanship begins. At the very worst, he's the guy that potentially, in a different life, goes into Grenada (all 130 square miles of it) and deep-sixes the Geneva Convention. That last point may be a stretch, but recall there was a time when character counted for something.
There's a place for confidence. There's something inspiring about a man who performs his best when the moment is biggest. However there's also a place for humility (and I'm not saying that Pacquiao is Ghandi). You can easily counter most of my points by going back in time and resurrecting the great braggadocios of history. The Patton's and Ali's of former times. But, here's some food for thought: those guys, at the very least, offered some sort of ballast to their conceit. While I'd like to think that my perspective is generally forgiving, with Mayweather the sweep of his persona goes from spouting the dull and prosaic right through to "best ever" conceit. There is nothing else I see, but half-baked one dimensionality. In other words there is no ballast. I'm not self-righteous, or pretend to know how the bible applies to two relatively unimportant personalities (as far as the world goes). My point is based on plain, old, boring human grounds. Sorry, but until Mayweather discovers the adage "the biggest challenge after success is shutting up about it", he deserves all the high cheese that gets thrown at his head.

-amayseng :

I feel compelled to start this reply by mentioning I respect your views Shadow. At a time when this forum has decayed with inconsequent hostility, it's nice to know there are people who can look beyond the frivolity. Disconnect, your word, is particularly pertinent around these parts. Truth is, I've admired your unique ability to look beyond the trite, even if sometimes you overlook the means as it applies to the ends.
For the disconnect with Mayweather and his persona and why people are so antagonized by it, I'll give it a go and see if I can root out a few of the reasons. You remember in college, or high school, the one person that was invariably hated by the rest of the class. The hyper-motivated yokel, for whom knowing the material was never sufficient. The person who felt compelled to answer every question, and made a point of staying after class to polish the professors boots and endear himself to intellectual vanity. It wasn't so much the achievements of that individual that so rankled the others, but the exhibitionism, the obtrusive highfaluting.
With Mayweather, you get the feeling that in his mind, the sun comes up just to hear him crow. You call it confidence, where I call it hubris and a complete disconnect with, and I hate to use the words, simple manners. To use someone else's line: Mayweather is the guy who "wears blinding bling to the Cancer Ball". Other sports have a way of handling this type of glitter. Do you remember when Terrell Owens stamped on the Dallas Star? Can you recall a moment when a baseball player admired his 450 foot shot for a bit longer than was accepted? His next at bat would always be a point of fascination, as the high cheese comes whistling past his cranium.
The point I'm trying to make is that when a person has most everything that other people want, it seems gratuitous to rub their faces in it. Mayweather doesn't throw any bones. He doesn't pretend that his wealth and his fame are attributable to the millions that spend an obscene $80 to watch him fight for 36 minutes. He's the guy that doesn't know where confidence ends and gamesmanship begins. At the very worst, he's the guy that potentially, in a different life, goes into Grenada (all 130 square miles of it) and deep-sixes the Geneva Convention. That last point may be a stretch, but recall there was a time when character counted for something.
There's a place for confidence. There's something inspiring about a man who performs his best when the moment is biggest. However there's also a place for humility (and I'm not saying that Pacquiao is Ghandi). Sorry, but until Mayweather discovers the adage "the biggest challenge after success is shutting up about it", he deserves all the high cheese that gets thrown at his head.

Agreed. This is why I used INTEGRITY as my main focus.
Shadow seems to think it's jealousy where the truth is that it is about character. Floyd seems to have none.

-deepwater2 :

Agreed. This is why I used INTEGRITY as my main focus.
Shadow seems to think it's jealousy where the truth is that it is about character. Floyd seems to have none.

Some people on here think its jealousy or racism. Maybe with people that think that way it is but for the most part people that don't like him have legit reasons.
1. I don't like his boxing style. It is not conducive for the knockout. It did when he was younger but not in the past few years at all. He is more prevent defense than he is aggressive offence. I am reading Jack Dempsey's book Explosive Punching and Aggressive Defense right now and it is amazing. A line from the book hits a note with me. "The public's worship of the punch." Fans worship knockouts.
Floyd's a multiple offender for despicable crimes.
Floyd does host BBq's and Thanksgiving turkey giveaways but on his recent trip to africa floyd really left people scratching their heads.
Floyd take it away:
[People] say ?well, he got all this money, why is he not giving to Africa??? starts Mayweather. ?Well, what has Africa given to us? What has Africa came and gave to my children and to my family? Things work two ways.?
He then discussed the threat that he believes giving too much money to charity can cause.
?Everybody?s always talking about giving, giving, giving. That?s the problem. Everybody?s doing so much giving, at the end of the day, they may not have nothing. Then they?ll say ?why was he giving this to that person, and giving this to that person when he should have been saving???
Mayweather goes on to say that he should be able to do whatever he wants with his earnings, such as using it to provide for himself and his family.
?I never got involved in the sport of boxing to say ?I?m going to fight and make hundreds of millions of dollars and just give it all away.? If I?m gonna mess money off in a bad way, I?m going to spend it on myself. I?m going to do what I want to do with my money. You hear people talking about, ?well, he should?donate to this or donate to that.? No, I should donate to Floyd Mayweather, donate to Floyd Mayweather?s family. Because that?s what it?s about.?
Floyd sounds like a feminine hygiene product.

-Radam G :

Some people on here think its jealousy or racism. Maybe with people that think that way it is but for the most part people that don't like him have legit reasons.
1. I don't like his boxing style. It is not conducive for the knockout. It did when he was younger but not in the past few years at all. He is more prevent defense than he is aggressive offence. I am reading Jack Dempsey's book Explosive Punching and Aggressive Defense right now and it is amazing. A line from the book hits a note with me. "The public's worship of the punch." Fans worship knockouts.
Floyd's a multiple offender for despicable crimes.
Floyd does host BBq's and Thanksgiving turkey giveaways but on his recent trip to africa floyd really left people scratching their heads.
Floyd take it away:
[People] say ‘well, he got all this money, why is he not giving to Africa?’” starts Mayweather. “Well, what has Africa given to us? What has Africa came and gave to my children and to my family? Things work two ways.”
He then discussed the threat that he believes giving too much money to charity can cause.
“Everybody’s always talking about giving, giving, giving. That’s the problem. Everybody’s doing so much giving, at the end of the day, they may not have nothing. Then they’ll say ‘why was he giving this to that person, and giving this to that person when he should have been saving?’”
Mayweather goes on to say that he should be able to do whatever he wants with his earnings, such as using it to provide for himself and his family.
“I never got involved in the sport of boxing to say ‘I’m going to fight and make hundreds of millions of dollars and just give it all away.’ If I’m gonna mess money off in a bad way, I’m going to spend it on myself. I’m going to do what I want to do with my money. You hear people talking about, ‘well, he should…donate to this or donate to that.’ No, I should donate to Floyd Mayweather, donate to Floyd Mayweather’s family. Because that’s what it’s about.”
Floyd sounds like a feminine hygiene product.

WOW! What a way to end a post. Hehe! Po' [sic] Lil' Floyd. Holla!

-HeNeverSawTheHookComing! :

This is the problem with those who do not read the bible and just regurgitate the ol' "judgement" argument.
The bible is not black and white either my friend.
Where in the bible does it say a person is not allowed to use their senses and intelligence to distinguish who is a decent or terrible person in life?
Am I not allowed to decide who I want to give my energy and support to? Am I not allowed as a parent to provide a path for my children of who or what to or not to follow? Am I not allowed to argue that a person is a fake christian because they flaunt money and woman and other immoral things while at the same time physically beating up women , up to 7 different accounts?
The "judgement" you think you are speaking about is not the same thing.
And integrity wise yes Floyd and Manny are opposites. Floyd is a racist that has made racist videos, beat women and used them like whores.
And also it was not my 14 year old son, my son is a stud.
And no I did not spend one night in jail, I did six weeks for a guy who put his hands on my sister. Imagine what I did to him for getting 6 weeks even when I was justified. You put your hands on a woman, or a child and I will leave my christian self behind for a few minutes, I am not built to accept that.

Amyseng, as a fellow brother In Christ I must correct and encourage you. "And integrity wise yes Floyd and Manny are opposites. Floyd is a racist that has made racist videos, beat women and used them like whores." Well I see you are letting your bias blind you on Manny's womanizing and a transgressor against God's word. [U]Romans 3:23-24, For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by His grace as gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. So why are you blasting one guy sins, but not mention the other guy because he is your favorite... My brother that is hypocritical! [/U]
Also you stated: Where in the bible does it say a person is not allowed to use their senses and intelligence to distinguish who is a decent or terrible person in life?
Am I not allowed to decide who I want to give my energy and support to? Am I not allowed as a parent to provide a path for my children of who or what to or not to follow? Am I not allowed to argue that a person is a fake christian because they flaunt money and woman and other immoral things while at the same time physically beating up women , up to 7 different accounts?
[U]Here is another Biblical answer for your question. James 4:12 There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, He who is able to save and destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?[/U]
And no I did not spend one night in jail, I did six weeks for a guy who put his hands on my sister. Imagine what I did to him for getting 6 weeks even when I was justified. You put your hands on a woman, or a child and I will leave my christian self behind for a few minutes, I am not built to accept that.
[U]Matthew 5:38-40 You have heard that it was said,' An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well.[/U]
[U]Matthew 26:52 Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into it's place. For all who take the up the sword shall perish by the sword.[/U]
In short let God fight your Battles.
As Christians we have to be on point at all times! Jesus did not say pick up thy cross and partially follow me. He said pick up thy cross and follow me! I.E. you can't pick what scriptures you are going to folow and which ones you are not. That is what the Pharisees and Saducees did when they justified themselves in killing Jesus.
These words of wisdom are for encouragement and Biblical truth.
God Bless

-amayseng :

Amyseng, as a fellow brother In Christ I must correct and encourage you. "And integrity wise yes Floyd and Manny are opposites. Floyd is a racist that has made racist videos, beat women and used them like whores." Well I see you are letting your bias blind you on Manny's womanizing and a transgressor against God's word. [U]Romans 3:23-24, For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by His grace as gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus. So why are you blasting one guy sins, but not mention the other guy because he is your favorite... My brother that is hypocritical! [/U]
Also you stated: Where in the bible does it say a person is not allowed to use their senses and intelligence to distinguish who is a decent or terrible person in life?
Am I not allowed to decide who I want to give my energy and support to? Am I not allowed as a parent to provide a path for my children of who or what to or not to follow? Am I not allowed to argue that a person is a fake christian because they flaunt money and woman and other immoral things while at the same time physically beating up women , up to 7 different accounts?
[U]Here is another Biblical answer for your question. James 4:12 There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, He who is able to save and destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor?[/U]
And no I did not spend one night in jail, I did six weeks for a guy who put his hands on my sister. Imagine what I did to him for getting 6 weeks even when I was justified. You put your hands on a woman, or a child and I will leave my christian self behind for a few minutes, I am not built to accept that.
[U]Matthew 5:38-40 You have heard that it was said,' An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.' But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well.[/U]
[U]Matthew 26:52 Then Jesus said to him, "Put your sword back into it's place. For all who take the up the sword shall perish by the sword.[/U]
In short let God fight your Battles.
As Christians we have to be on point at all times! Jesus did not say pick up thy cross and partially follow me. He said pick up thy cross and follow me! I.E. you can't pick what scriptures you are going to folow and which ones you are not. That is what the Pharisees and Saducees did when they justified themselves in killing Jesus.
These words of wisdom are for encouragement and Biblical truth.
God Bless

Thank you
My point is that I was not judging in the aspect of condemning another man to hell but instead using my
God given senses to distinguish a person of poor character and morals.
And there are differences in sin. Not all sins are equal
I am a sinner everyday. Everyday I am to better myself . Though within my faults I am not a woman besting racist.
My point to the Shadow, whom I highly respect, is that people detest Floyd for his **** poor actions and character
not his money or skin color

-HeNeverSawTheHookComing! :

And there are differences in sin. Not all sins are equal
The Bible says different!
[U]James 2:10-11
[U][/U]10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. 11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,”[a] also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law. [/U]
God Bless

-Radam G :

With that faith in a superior being, great pugs also get it about the importance of chowing down on correct, Godly Mother Nature, untampered-with, organic- and-natural, Garden-Of-Eden-like foods.
Haters and posers can go on their tirades 24/7/365. But they ain't running syet, but their mouths and cons.
Holla at the skinny on how Money May is giving it up on the bullsyet foods, and paying BIG to get that body right, so that he will be well and healthy to fight.
Da real is da real. And nobody can run a bullsyet deal. And expect not like syet to feel.
->http://www.worldboxingnews.co.uk./mayweather-hires-special-chef-for-a-1000-per-plate-contract/. Holla!