I'm doing a family tree of my husband's family and I've hit a road block.

His father, before he passed away, seemed to think that his side of thefamily was related (illegitimately) to Christian IX of Denmark. I havesearched and searched and I don't see him having any illegitimate children.

Because of this I'm starting to think that maybe he *IS* related to anothermember of the Danish Royal Family (illegitimately of course) but I can'tfind anything that really fits.

Here's what I have, and I'm hoping that someone on here can help.

Christian IX had a mistress from Schleswig-Holstein. She had twin boys.One of these boys was named 'Frederick'. This boy had a son named EmilHolstein who was a ships engineer on the SS Taw. Emil married a CandidaFreley (spelled different ways).

Now, my quandry is:

1) Were there twin boys? And if there was were they the sons of Frederickor of Christian and his mistress?

2) What was this mistresses name (if there was one)

3) What was Frederick's wife's name?

Emil was born somwhere between 1856 and 1860 and he died in c.1912. Hemarried in the Virgin Islands. Now, we *HAVE* discovered that Emil was theships engineer (which explains how he ended up at the Virgin Islands).

I haven't found anything much about Frederick, except that he is named onEmil's birth certificate. Frederick's mother remains an enigma. If we candetermine who she was, we can probably figure out if she had an affair witheither Christian IX or one of the other members of the Danish royal family.

Sorry for the long post, but it's been bugging the family for a while. :)

There are no publicly recognized illegitimate descendants of KingChristian IX (as in contrast to Christian IV, Frederik III, ChristianV, Frederik IV, Frederik VI, etc.), and neither has he generally beencredited with any such (as opposed to, e.g., Frederik V and HereditaryPrince Frederik Ferdinand). This does, of course, not rule it out, butI have to say that I tend--as a Dane and as a (amateur-)genealogist,who have looked into several such cases--to be extremely skepticalabout such claims. Many such claims seem, under closer scrutiny,really to be attempts to explain away children born out of wedlock, butwhere the harsh realities were far less exotic. (For example, FrederikVII, has for a century and a half been credited with a large number ofsupposed children by people who have "heard" that he had had an affairwith their mother/grandmother/great-... ... , but the reality seemsmuch more likely to be that he actually was incapable of fatheringchildren.) Finally, I have to add that absent some really startlingrevelations from previously unknown papers of the royal family (andsuch do probably exist), the probability that any such illegitimateroyal descent not already known will be able to be documented is closeto nill.

Post by k***@politik.dkThere are no publicly recognized illegitimate descendants of KingChristian IX (as in contrast to Christian IV, Frederik III, ChristianV, Frederik IV, Frederik VI, etc.), and neither has he generally beencredited with any such (as opposed to, e.g., Frederik V and HereditaryPrince Frederik Ferdinand). This does, of course, not rule it out, butI have to say that I tend--as a Dane and as a (amateur-)genealogist,who have looked into several such cases--to be extremely skepticalabout such claims. Many such claims seem, under closer scrutiny,really to be attempts to explain away children born out of wedlock, butwhere the harsh realities were far less exotic. (For example, FrederikVII, has for a century and a half been credited with a large number ofsupposed children by people who have "heard" that he had had an affairwith their mother/grandmother/great-... ... , but the reality seemsmuch more likely to be that he actually was incapable of fatheringchildren.) Finally, I have to add that absent some really startlingrevelations from previously unknown papers of the royal family (andsuch do probably exist), the probability that any such illegitimateroyal descent not already known will be able to be documented is closeto nill.Best wishes,Peter Kurrild-Klitgaard

Post by k***@politik.dkThere are no publicly recognized illegitimate descendants of KingChristian IX (as in contrast to Christian IV, Frederik III, ChristianV, Frederik IV, Frederik VI, etc.), and neither has he generally beencredited with any such (as opposed to, e.g., Frederik V and HereditaryPrince Frederik Ferdinand). This does, of course, not rule it out, butI have to say that I tend--as a Dane and as a (amateur-)genealogist,who have looked into several such cases--to be extremely skepticalabout such claims. Many such claims seem, under closer scrutiny,really to be attempts to explain away children born out of wedlock, butwhere the harsh realities were far less exotic. (For example, FrederikVII, has for a century and a half been credited with a large number ofsupposed children by people who have "heard" that he had had an affairwith their mother/grandmother/great-... ... , but the reality seemsmuch more likely to be that he actually was incapable of fatheringchildren.) Finally, I have to add that absent some really startlingrevelations from previously unknown papers of the royal family (andsuch do probably exist), the probability that any such illegitimateroyal descent not already known will be able to be documented is closeto nill.Best wishes,Peter Kurrild-Klitgaard

Agree with above, but what about Thyra's illegitimate child--if thatstory has any validity.

This question has been discussed here on several occasions over thelast decade. My view is that 1) it may very well be true, but 2) *no*evidence whatsoever has been produced to support it, and 3) the onlysource making specific, substantial claims (Bo Bramsen) never producedanything to back up his claims and in fact changed so many centralparts of the story from one edition of his book to another, that heundermined his own credibility as a source.

That is pretty much the conclusion that we have reached here, however, weare starting to think that maybe it's a member of the royal family (maybenot a King), however, this is the information that we were given (verbatim).This could be completely inaccurate, but since you are in Denmark andprobably know more about the royal family than we do, I thought we'd tellyou.

Name: Emile Holstein (Given that he's a Dane, it's probably Emil)Sex: MBirth: 1856 in Fleuburg or Flensburg?, Schleswig-HolsteinDeath: 1903 at sea or in GranadaOccupation: Marine EngineerNote: Believe to be one of illegitimate twins born to Christian IX ofDenmark and a Lady of the court of Schelswig-Holstein. The twins were givenprofessions as Marine Engineers. Emil worked on a ship. When Wmile died hewas drowned at sea. They(?) could not afford the money to bury him and theCatholic Chruch refused to bury him. In 1906 the Anglican Chruch buriedhim. The Catholic Church later decreed that all his direct(?) descendantswere to be provided with free education (in Jesuit schools?).

Now, we have an email that clears up SOME of the information.

Emil was born in 1861 or 1860. His FATHER was named Frederick (marriage anddeath certs. of Emil). Now, what we're thinking is that his father iseither one of the royal family *OR* the illegitimate child of the royalfamily. Emil was an engineer on a tug. We have him working on the SS Taw,but knowing the writing of the time, it's probably a misinterpretation.

We do NOT have Emil's mother's name. This is where we are stuck. Thiswould help us to determine whether he was related to a member of the royalfamily (legitimate or otherwise). Emil appears to have been born in theVirgin Islands, or arrived there shortly after he was born.

If we need to move this to another forum, please let us know of the forumyou are moving to, or email us at calypso 00 @ rogers dot com. :)

Thanks, your input would be appreciated.

John

Post by k***@politik.dkThere are no publicly recognized illegitimate descendants of KingChristian IX (as in contrast to Christian IV, Frederik III, ChristianV, Frederik IV, Frederik VI, etc.), and neither has he generally beencredited with any such (as opposed to, e.g., Frederik V and HereditaryPrince Frederik Ferdinand). This does, of course, not rule it out, butI have to say that I tend--as a Dane and as a (amateur-)genealogist,who have looked into several such cases--to be extremely skepticalabout such claims. Many such claims seem, under closer scrutiny,really to be attempts to explain away children born out of wedlock, butwhere the harsh realities were far less exotic. (For example, FrederikVII, has for a century and a half been credited with a large number ofsupposed children by people who have "heard" that he had had an affairwith their mother/grandmother/great-... ... , but the reality seemsmuch more likely to be that he actually was incapable of fatheringchildren.) Finally, I have to add that absent some really startlingrevelations from previously unknown papers of the royal family (andsuch do probably exist), the probability that any such illegitimateroyal descent not already known will be able to be documented is closeto nill.Best wishes,Peter Kurrild-Klitgaard

Post by k***@politik.dkThere are no publicly recognized illegitimate descendants of KingChristian IX (as in contrast to CPeter Kurrild-Klitgaard

One is a well known descendant of F VI - by Fru Dannemand!

Hello!

What is the name of this descendant?Are you in Denmark? I am researching family history and cannot understand the documents available online (language barrier). If ever you would have time to read a short family history, your perspective or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. This document is the compiled history as handed down through our family and recorded several decades ago but people who were close to out Danish immigrant generation http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/17577375/person/528711981/media

Post by k***@politik.dkThere are no publicly recognized illegitimate descendants of KingChristian IX (as in contrast to Christian IV, Frederik III, ChristianV, Frederik IV, Frederik VI, etc.), and neither has he generally beencredited with any such (as opposed to, e.g., Frederik V and HereditaryPrince Frederik Ferdinand). This does, of course, not rule it out, butI have to say that I tend--as a Dane and as a (amateur-)genealogist,who have looked into several such cases--to be extremely skepticalabout such claims. Many such claims seem, under closer scrutiny,really to be attempts to explain away children born out of wedlock, butwhere the harsh realities were far less exotic. (For example, FrederikVII, has for a century and a half been credited with a large number ofsupposed children by people who have "heard" that he had had an affairwith their mother/grandmother/great-... ... , but the reality seemsmuch more likely to be that he actually was incapable of fatheringchildren.) Finally, I have to add that absent some really startlingrevelations from previously unknown papers of the royal family (andsuch do probably exist), the probability that any such illegitimateroyal descent not already known will be able to be documented is closeto nill.Best wishes,Peter Kurrild-Klitgaard

Hello Peter,First, wonderful to connect with you!Our Danish family history includes three boys, a pair a twins and a brother. The twins were named Hans and Vischoff and the other boy was Peter. The last name is supposed to be Moller. Peter's daughter married a man, Frederick Outsen (or Outzen which later became Hansen) who was said to be the son of King Frederick (no number) and a mistress (also named once as Margrethe, Grevinde of Dogmors or Damgaard). The twins were said to be often confused by the queen (document doesn't say which one nor the relationship to the queen) and she put ribbons on their wrists to tell them apart. I have a family history as documented as handed down through the generations posted on my ancestry.com page linked to Johann Ferdinand Hansen (which was also Outsen or Outzen in Denmark). As a Dane and amateur genealogist, I would greatly appreciate your thoughts on this document and any suggestions for how to further research these ancestors. http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/17577375/person/528711981/mediaBy the way, I completely understand that many people had stories of royal roots that are ultimately not true and we have no interest in anything more than the facts. This document includes detailed information that may lead to a truth that is just as interesting!

The Prince of Nör (here link to English Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_Frederick_of_Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Augustenburg) was of course a distant cousin of Christian IX from the Augustenborg branch of the dynasty.

This "Margrethe, Grevinde of Dogmors or Damgaard" sounds unlikely too. There are no counts or countesses of Dogmors (meant to be Dagmars?) or Damgaard (common farm name), neither in Denmark nor in Schleswig-Holstein. The name Margrethe, once popular in the Middle Ages, did not come back in fashion untill ca. 1900. Seems like a ripoff of the famous royal mistresses Madame Colonel Dannemand and Countess Danner.

Hi,Sorry if this is really random, but we're all relatives! I'm working on this same family tree, but I'm going off the information of another cousin. My grandmother (not from this shared side of the family, but she's the resident genealogist in my family) has been in contact with Mike Rayside about all of this.He has a family tree here that has some interesting --revelations.http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/r/a/y/Mike-Rayside-Victoria/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0125.html.We also have a tree going on ancestry: http://trees.ancestry.ca/tree/50289663/family

I am a descendant of Louisa Holstein, Emile's 3rd child. What we've picked apart is that the twins (if there were in fact two) are descendants of Frederick VIII and a noble lady of the court listed here as Adelaide Fischer, but what is more likely "Adelheid". Fischer is actually the name of an ancient Danish noble family so this sort of adds to the validity of the fact that Emile was the off-spring of a Danish Royal and a Danish Noble. All we know about Adelheid is that she was born ~1845, making her 16 when the twins were born (Fredrick would have been ~18). I've tried picking through the Census to find out more about her but I haven't gotten anywhere-I don't understand the county or parish system enough to blunder my way through: http://www.ddd.dda.dk/kiplink_en.htm

I can't substantiate any of this, but seeing as Emile's first child was named "Adelaide", it lends some credibility to the existence of the mother's identity. I'm wondering of someone maybe got the name off of a birth/death certificate and just never bothered to share that tidbit of info. We have a photo of Emile and Candida, it's up on ancestry now.

Post by AndreaHi,Sorry if this is really random, but we're all relatives! I'm working on this same family tree, but I'm going off the information of another cousin. My grandmother (not from this shared side of the family, but she's the resident genealogist in my family) has been in contact with Mike Rayside about all of this.He has a family tree here that has some interesting --revelations.http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/r/a/y/Mike-Rayside-Victoria/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-0125.html.We also have a tree going on ancestry: http://trees.ancestry.ca/tree/50289663/familyI am a descendant of Louisa Holstein, Emile's 3rd child. What we've picked apart is that the twins (if there were in fact two) are descendants of Frederick VIII and a noble lady of the court listed here as Adelaide Fischer, but what is more likely "Adelheid". Fischer is actually the name of an ancient Danish noble family so this sort of adds to the validity of the fact that Emile was the off-spring of a Danish Royal and a Danish Noble. All we know about Adelheid is that she was born ~1845, making her 16 when the twins were born (Fredrick would have been ~18). I've tried picking through the Census to find out more about her but I haven't gotten anywhere-I don't understand the county or parish system enough to blunder my way through: http://www.ddd.dda.dk/kiplink_en.htmI can't substantiate any of this, but seeing as Emile's first child was named "Adelaide", it lends some credibility to the existence of the mother's identity. I'm wondering of someone maybe got the name off of a birth/death certificate and just never bothered to share that tidbit of info. We have a photo of Emile and Candida, it's up on ancestry now.Hopefully, you can make something of this info.Happy hunting!

Hello,

My family has a similar story! Family from Schleswig/Holstein. The twins are mentioned in a family history I will post to my ancestry.com info shortly. The twins had a brother and he had a daughter that married a man recorded as being the child of King Frederick. I don't know if the twins were the children of a king or another royal or nobility but the family story documented says the queen had trouble telling them apart. I am also having difficulty finding documents to verify the generations closest to the king. Ancestry.com has plenty of information, but it is in Danish and so many people have the same names, I've had no success in sorting it out.If anyone is interested in getting an ancestry.com genealogist to help, maybe we could make it a group effort (very small crowd source!).

Look for the family documents I have on my tree - this link should work: http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/17577375/family/pedigreeOtherwise, search Johann F. Hansen (Bow, WA, Racine, WI, Denmark) or email me and I can send it directly.

Post by Jeff and Kitty GillHi there,I'm doing a family tree of my husband's family and I've hit a road block.His father, before he passed away, seemed to think that his side of thefamily was related (illegitimately) to Christian IX of Denmark. I havesearched and searched and I don't see him having any illegitimate children.Because of this I'm starting to think that maybe he *IS* related to anothermember of the Danish Royal Family (illegitimately of course) but I can'tfind anything that really fits.Here's what I have, and I'm hoping that someone on here can help.Christian IX had a mistress from Schleswig-Holstein. She had twin boys.One of these boys was named 'Frederick'. This boy had a son named EmilHolstein who was a ships engineer on the SS Taw. Emil married a CandidaFreley (spelled different ways).1) Were there twin boys? And if there was were they the sons of Frederickor of Christian and his mistress?2) What was this mistresses name (if there was one)3) What was Frederick's wife's name?Emil was born somwhere between 1856 and 1860 and he died in c.1912. Hemarried in the Virgin Islands. Now, we *HAVE* discovered that Emil was theships engineer (which explains how he ended up at the Virgin Islands).I haven't found anything much about Frederick, except that he is named onEmil's birth certificate. Frederick's mother remains an enigma. If we candetermine who she was, we can probably figure out if she had an affair witheither Christian IX or one of the other members of the Danish royal family.Sorry for the long post, but it's been bugging the family for a while. :)Your help would be appreciated.Thanks.Kitty

My family has a similar story! Family from Schleswig/Holstein. The twins are mentioned in a family history I will post to my ancestry.com info shortly. The twins had a brother and he had a daughter that married a man recorded as being the child of King Frederick. I don't know if the twins were the children of a king or another royal or nobility but the family story documented says the queen had trouble telling them apart. I am also having difficulty finding documents to verify the generations closest to the king. Ancestry.com has plenty of information, but it is in Danish and so many people have the same names, I've had no success in sorting it out.If anyone is interested in getting an ancestry.com genealogist to help, maybe we could make it a group effort (very small crowd source!).

Look for the family documents I have on my tree - this link should work: http://trees.ancestry.com/tree/17577375/family/pedigreeOtherwise, search Johann F. Hansen (Bow, WA, Racine, WI, Denmark) or email me and I can send it directly.

Post by Jeff and Kitty GillHi there,I'm doing a family tree of my husband's family and I've hit a road block.His father, before he passed away, seemed to think that his side of thefamily was related (illegitimately) to Christian IX of Denmark. I havesearched and searched and I don't see him having any illegitimate children.Because of this I'm starting to think that maybe he *IS* related to anothermember of the Danish Royal Family (illegitimately of course) but I can'tfind anything that really fits.Here's what I have, and I'm hoping that someone on here can help.Christian IX had a mistress from Schleswig-Holstein. She had twin boys.One of these boys was named 'Frederick'. This boy had a son named EmilHolstein who was a ships engineer on the SS Taw. Emil married a CandidaFreley (spelled different ways).1) Were there twin boys? And if there was were they the sons of Frederickor of Christian and his mistress?2) What was this mistresses name (if there was one)3) What was Frederick's wife's name?Emil was born somwhere between 1856 and 1860 and he died in c.1912. Hemarried in the Virgin Islands. Now, we *HAVE* discovered that Emil was theships engineer (which explains how he ended up at the Virgin Islands).I haven't found anything much about Frederick, except that he is named onEmil's birth certificate. Frederick's mother remains an enigma. If we candetermine who she was, we can probably figure out if she had an affair witheither Christian IX or one of the other members of the Danish royal family.Sorry for the long post, but it's been bugging the family for a while. :)Your help would be appreciated.Thanks.Kitty

I am also seeking information about an ancestor of mine who is said to be an illegitimate daughter of King Frederick VIII of Denmark. We know that her name was Laura Otellia and that she married Bager Magnus Moeller (aka Baker Martin Miller). King Christian X attended their 75th wedding anniversary celebration, and gave them royal silverware, which has been passed down to my mother and aunt, whose maiden names are Miller. Laura Otellia is my great, great grandmother, and if the lineage is correct, that would make Frederick VIII my great, great, great grandfather.

Post by k***@gmail.comI am also seeking information about an ancestor of mine who is said to be an illegitimate daughter of King Frederick VIII of Denmark. We know that her name was Laura Otellia and that she married Bager Magnus Moeller (aka Baker Martin Miller). King Christian X attended their 75th wedding anniversary celebration, and gave them royal silverware, which has been passed down to my mother and aunt, whose maiden names are Miller. Laura Otellia is my great, great grandmother, and if the lineage is correct, that would make Frederick VIII my great, great, great grandfather.

Cowgirl there,there exist several kinds of "illegitimates", in all cases no right to succed to the dynastical title, &c.

The "tradition" gives no right to the present head of State of Denmark to succed. That does not mean that females descendancies in all cases are totally excluded.

See Maria Theresia, Rex Apostolicus of Hungary, Archidux of Austria.

See the Duke of Hohenberg, only entitled to succeed in not dynasitcal titles, just entitled to succeed in his private fortune, including the Archduke'Archives.

See Frederick VI of Denmark children by Fru/Madame Dannemand, originally quite certainly a street-girl, but not necessarily a prostitute, but certainly at least a call-girl; some time a kept woman.

Then existed all kind of ... In German is used the word "Beischläferin". The origin of the princes of Löwenstein goes back to the "activities" of such a (Bei)Schläferin. Above Duke's father had such a person, of Czech origin. The Countess of Chotek, later the murdered first Duchess of Hohenberg, mother of above first Duke of Hohenberg, is *not* to be understood to be this female person.

Kitty, the story and the names (Frederik, Emil, Carmelita / Candida) sound too much like the story of Prince Frederik of Nör and his son: https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederik_af_N%C3%B8rSomebody probably just copied it to give a veneer of mysterious respectability to their ordinary illegitimate origins.

Pluss they borrowed the (von) Holstein name (real name of several noble families) from the husband of Princess Thyra's alleged daughter: Frode Pløyen-Holstein.

Besides there were no noble Danish or Schleswig-Holsteinian family called Fischer.

OK, a little quick on the Fischers there:There are still extant Danish noble families called De Fischer and Fischer-Benzon. See List of Danish nobel families: https://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danske_adelssl%C3%A6gter#Fhttps://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_de_Fischerhttp://www.fischerholm.dk/winfam/wholm/per00381.htmhttps://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer%E2%80%91Benzon

Post by Jeff and Kitty GillHi there,I'm doing a family tree of my husband's family and I've hit a road block.His father, before he passed away, seemed to think that his side of thefamily was related (illegitimately) to Christian IX of Denmark. I havesearched and searched and I don't see him having any illegitimate children.Because of this I'm starting to think that maybe he *IS* related to anothermember of the Danish Royal Family (illegitimately of course) but I can'tfind anything that really fits.Here's what I have, and I'm hoping that someone on here can help.Christian IX had a mistress from Schleswig-Holstein. She had twin boys.One of these boys was named 'Frederick'. This boy had a son named EmilHolstein who was a ships engineer on the SS Taw. Emil married a CandidaFreley (spelled different ways).1) Were there twin boys? And if there was were they the sons of Frederickor of Christian and his mistress?2) What was this mistresses name (if there was one)3) What was Frederick's wife's name?Emil was born somwhere between 1856 and 1860 and he died in c.1912. Hemarried in the Virgin Islands. Now, we *HAVE* discovered that Emil was theships engineer (which explains how he ended up at the Virgin Islands).I haven't found anything much about Frederick, except that he is named onEmil's birth certificate. Frederick's mother remains an enigma. If we candetermine who she was, we can probably figure out if she had an affair witheither Christian IX or one of the other members of the Danish royal family.Sorry for the long post, but it's been bugging the family for a while. :)Your help would be appreciated.Thanks.Kitty

My 3rd great grandmother, Ane Doreth Johansdatter (Dorothy) Georgsen Yorkson, was a maid in the royal court of King Frederick VIII when he was a Prince. Lars Peter Johnson was born 21 Mar 1836 in København, Kobenhavn, Denmark and came to Canada at the age of 3 months. The Danish government paid her until Lars became 18 years old.

I have received several e-mails over the years that this had happened to their ancestors. I had my DNA done; anyway, we can prove this royal connection?

Post by Jeff and Kitty GillHi there,I'm doing a family tree of my husband's family and I've hit a road block.His father, before he passed away, seemed to think that his side of thefamily was related (illegitimately) to Christian IX of Denmark. I havesearched and searched and I don't see him having any illegitimate children.Because of this I'm starting to think that maybe he *IS* related to anothermember of the Danish Royal Family (illegitimately of course) but I can'tfind anything that really fits.Here's what I have, and I'm hoping that someone on here can help.Christian IX had a mistress from Schleswig-Holstein. She had twin boys.One of these boys was named 'Frederick'. This boy had a son named EmilHolstein who was a ships engineer on the SS Taw. Emil married a CandidaFreley (spelled different ways).1) Were there twin boys? And if there was were they the sons of Frederickor of Christian and his mistress?2) What was this mistresses name (if there was one)3) What was Frederick's wife's name?Emil was born somwhere between 1856 and 1860 and he died in c.1912. Hemarried in the Virgin Islands. Now, we *HAVE* discovered that Emil was theships engineer (which explains how he ended up at the Virgin Islands).I haven't found anything much about Frederick, except that he is named onEmil's birth certificate. Frederick's mother remains an enigma. If we candetermine who she was, we can probably figure out if she had an affair witheither Christian IX or one of the other members of the Danish royal family.Sorry for the long post, but it's been bugging the family for a while. :)Your help would be appreciated.Thanks.Kitty

My 3rd great grandmother, Ane Doreth Johansdatter (Dorothy) Georgsen Yorkson, was a maid in the royal court of King Frederick VIII when he was a Prince. Lars Peter Johnson was born 21 Mar 1836 in København, Kobenhavn, Denmark and came to Canada at the age of 3 months. The Danish government paid her until Lars became 18 years old.I have received several e-mails over the years that this had happened to their ancestors. I had my DNA done; anyway, we can prove this royal connection?Katie Bond

One member of my family, on my fathers side (Bernard Valdemar [royal name]Nelson), did extensive genealogical research and says that we are descended from an illegitimate child of a Danish King. The genealogist's mother is my oldest cousin. I am the youngest of the cousins. My father was the youngest in his family of 7 siblings and the only one born in the US and not Norway.

I've been unable to get a copy of this gealogical chart. But my cousin told me that the king of Denmark was our grandfather. Whether it was Christian IX or Crown Prince Friedrich III we dont know. But he supposedly had an affair with one of the Queen's ladies in waiting. My cousin has seen pictures of her with two or three boy children--all very richly dressed. Our grandfather ____Neilsen, eventually was given a job as cook on board the kings yacht. Then he married my grandmother Karen Nelson of Oslo Norway and they emigrated to Worcester Mass (Cherry Valley section) where they had their 7th and final child, my father. He married Doris Rollins and they moved to Holden Mass. where they raised two children , Rodney (d) and me Brenda Nelson.

Immigration officials changed our family name from Neilsen to Nelson. Curiously, before I knew any of the above I chose to name my son Kristian. I also have a daughter Heather Nelson-Krausse, and my son is Kristian Nelson Krausse. Heather has 2 children--Paden and Sidonia Stanton. My son has 3 children, Ethan, Lily and Elise Krausse.

I kept my surname Nelson after my divorce from Richard Krausse.

But its interesting to read all of the above posts. Just as an aside, my grandfather Neilsen was unhappy all of his life. He took to drink and ended his life at middle age. My father did the same, and a couple of his older brothers were addicted to alcohol as well.

Apparently it was the curse of Scandinavia--depression and drink. Has it improved in Denmark as of 2018? They are ranked #1 of 80 countries in happiness now. Maybe the sad ones moved to the US?

I’m aware this is now an old thread but I’m apparently related to Christian VIII who had at least 10 illegitimate kids. I’m descended from Johann Wernick, son of CVIII, adopted by Rossdorf Von Wernick. Anyone else got any links? And any genetic link ups? My 23andme also matches this in terms Scandinavian heritage (I’m in the UK)

Hi all,Dont know how old this link is or if there is still any interest now.But my grandfather is also suposed to be a child of King Christian IX of Danmark.At least so he said.He was Born 1875 and named Carl Christian Ágúst Jensen.Worked at the Danish Palace til he was sent to Iceland as a ships engineer to teach the Icelanders the new technology, previously the Icelanders only used sailboats.He married my Grandmother and only went for a visit to Danmark a few times.There were also photos of him in fancy clothing etc.RegardsKristín.