J.J. Abrams stopped by The Daily Show last night to discuss Star Trek Into Darkness, and he reminded devoted Trekkies that he was never really one of them: He didn’t like Star Trek as a kid. “It always felt too philosophical,” he explained.

Blasphemy! Abrams went on to say that some of the writers of the movie were huge fans, while his producing partner had never seen it – if everyone, with their different perspectives, was happy, the movie worked. “The goal was to make a movie for moviegoers, not just Star Trek fans,” he explained.

After the two discussed the pros and cons of both Star Trek (don’t worry, it grew on him!) and Star Wars, Stewart naturally delved into the fact that Abrams is now running everything. “I’m not even going to go to the conventions anymore, I’m just going to sit on your lap,” Stewart joked. Abrams said it was too early to give away any intel about Star Wars, but that didn’t stop Stewart from making a case about why he should be allowed to be a Jedi.