Al Gore unhinged – now even climate change believers are ‘deniers’

Al Gore recently had a telling altercation with a journalist. The Spectator’s Ross Clark wanted to ask him about Miami sea-level rises suggested in the new film, “An Inconvenient Sequel.” The reporter started to explain that he had consulted Florida International University sea-level-rise expert Shimon Wdowinski. Gore’s response: “Never heard of him — is he a denier?” Then he asked the journalist, “Are you a denier?”

When Clark responded that he was sure climate change is a problem but didn’t know how big, Gore declared, “You are a denier.”

I was recently on the receiving end of a similar rebuff from Chile’s environment minister. I’d written an op-ed for a Chilean newspaper that, among other things, quoted UN findings on how little the Paris climate treaty would achieve and argued that vast investment in green energy research and development is a better policy. Marcelo Mena proclaimed, “There is no room for your climate-denying rhetoric in Chile.”

Something odd — and dangerous — is happening when even people who accept the reality of man-made climate change are labeled “deniers.” The unwillingness to discuss which policies work best means we end up with worse choices.

Consider the case of Roger Pielke, Jr, a political scientist who worked extensively on climate change. He believes that climate change is real, human emissions of greenhouse gases justify action and there should be a carbon tax.

But he drew the ire of climate campaigners because his research has shown that the increasing costs from hurricane damage is not caused by storms made more intense by climate-change but by more and pricier property built in vulnerable areas. He took issue with the UN’s influential International Panel for Climate Change over a chart in its 2007 report that seemed to imply causation when there was only circumstantial evidence.

Pielke was proven right, and the IPCC’s subsequent outputs mostly accepted his arguments. Yet, he was the target of a years-long campaign, including a massive but baseless takedown that later turned out to have been coordinated by a climate-campaigning think tank funded by a green billionaire, alongside an investigation launched by a congressman.

Pielke left climate change for other fields where “no one is trying to get me fired.” And sidelining him has made it easier for climate-campaigners to use hurricanes Harvey, Irma and Maria to argue for carbon-cut policies, even though these will do very little to prevent future hurricane damage.

Pielke finds that we should make relatively cheap investments to reduce vulnerability, like limiting floodplain construction and increasing porous surfaces. Ignoring this means more harm.

Leaving out dissention echoes the worst of the leaked “ClimateGate” e-mails. In 2004, the head of a leading climate-research organization wrote about two inconvenient papers: “Kevin and I will keep them out [of the IPCC report] somehow — even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!”

This intolerance for discussion is alarming. Believe in climate change but wonder how bad it will be? You’re a “denier,” says Gore. Believe, but argue that today’s policies aren’t the best response? You’re a denier, says Chile’s environment minister. Believe, but point out problematic findings or media reporting? There’s no room for you, say the self-appointed gatekeepers of debate.

The expanding definition of “denial” is an attempt to ensure that public and policy-makers hear from an ever-smaller clique. John Stuart Mill calls this “the peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion.”

But even if an opinion is wrong, debating it will teach more people what is right. And if the opinion is right, it offers an opportunity to exchange error for truth. Instead, we’re left with just one “right” way of thinking.

With dissidence on the Paris Treaty not allowed, we are on track to lose $1 trillion to $2 trillion annually to achieve what the United Nations finds will be 1 percent of the carbon cuts needed to keep temperature rises under 2°C.

That’s not the right way to solve climate change. Saying so denies nothing but economic illiteracy.

AlGore both sounds like and argues like a Scientologist. Say something they disagree with or paint the church in a negative light and they give you a derogatory label and attack you rather than refute your information.

People generally fall into two categories depending on which hemisphere of their brain dominates. If the left hemisphere dominates, then logic drives extrapolation and you are more likely to be a Republican. If the right hemisphere dominates, then emotion drives extrapolation and you are more likely to be a Democrat. If both hemispheres can effectively negotiate with each other, then you are more likely to be in the center and driven towards Libertarianism. To be absolutely clear, there are always exceptions.

In a way, this modifies the threshold for the fight or flight response. Left brained people are more likely to fight if logic tells them they will win while right brained people are more likely to run away and hide if they are afraid enough. To be clear once more, broken logic and misplaced fear are also quite common as they affect decision making by both types of brains.

It is the result of controlling 90%of the message board Allan. AP, UPI, Reuters, NYTimes, WaPo, ABNBCBS, CNN, MSNBC, Comcast, MSN, Google, HuffPo, Real Climate, Politico, Media Matters…From the gathering to the dissemination and the aggregation the left controls the message
It is easy to drown out reality with propaganda when you can control the news narrative so loudly and for so long that subterranean rock dwellers in northern Nevada receive the propaganda.

Kirk,
If you think Trump is far right, you haven’t been paying attention. It only seems that way because the left has gone so far off the rails the Communists felt no need to field a candidate in the last election (they endorsed Sanders). Of the presidential candidates from all sides, Trump was the closest to the center and this is why he won.

Trump could have been a polka dotted porpoise that spoke in limericks and gave birth to unicorns and he would have won.

He didn’t win because of HIS political stances…he won because of HILLARY’S. The American public CHOSE the risk over what Trump might, or might not, do… rather than accept what they KNEW Hillary would/wouldn’t do. It wasn’t “we want Trump”…it was “Hillary??? Oh HAYELL NO!!!

One of the reasons I don’t visit here very much is the constant reference to Hitler and the Nazis by people who have no real idea what they are talking about.

Literally the first comment on this well thought out article by Bjorn Lomborg is a reference to Hitler. Then it carries on with yet more references to Hitler and approving right-wing nutjobs.

This blog is far too taken up with political ratcheting of comparing anyone and everything they don’t agree with with Hitler and the policies of the Third Reich

Only when you’ve stood in a concentration camp, talked to survivors and seen the reality of the Holocaust with your own eyes, you would never use such terminology about anyone talking about climate science or the weather ever, even if you vehemently disagree with them.

Are you oblivious to Lomborg’s euphemism about “purity” and being compared to “Holocaust deniers” or did you just ignore those because they were part of an article you found “thoughtful”, while condemning all of “Anthony’s commenters” to the category of TOXIC (due to the behavior of few) …an incredible irony considering that Lomborg’s entire article was about “the peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion.”

If you don’t come here because of the behavior of a few, you miss all of the other amazing truths and things that can be learned through the debates here. Lomborg said that too.

‘This blog is far too taken up with political ratcheting of comparing anyone and everything they don’t agree with with Hitler and the policies of the Third Reich’
Only when appropriate, John – when the mechanics of the Holocaust are being repeated as if with an instruction manual by people who have actually been the ones making all the references to Nazism or the Holocaust – or are unfamiliar with the origin of the term denier? Or calls for modern Nuremberg trials for people they ‘don’t agree with’.
There are a lot of people I disagree with who aren’t mimicking fascism, but your attack is typical among people who don’t seem able to see the stones they throw, or are being thrown at others, and only seem bothered when a few rocks get tossed back in their direction.
Near as I can tell, my generation was the last that was taught the Holocaust in any kind of personal way – and to suggest that I don’t get it, is just posturing snobbery.
I’ve said many times, fascist methods produce fascist results, no matter where you start. They didn’t throw the Jews (or other ‘undesirables’) into the camps on the first day – they spent about ten years justifying it first.
Your perception of ‘toxic’ seems strictly one way. Also typical.

When you see just how quickly the dam holding back society from the total creep that is Winestain, you can but hope that Bore’s come-uppance is not too far away. The domino effect of his fall will be a joy to behold, not unlike the emotions that must have been felt by those sitting on a collapsing wall in November 1989.

It sounds to me like the social justice warriors (SJWs) now have enough support that they are emboldened. They will go after anyone who deviates even slightly from the party line, even their supporters.

Harvey Weinstein is probably a criminal. Going after him is fair game. The trouble is the SJWs are going after the victims like Gwyneth Paltrow because they didn’t raise their voices in complaint when the incidents happened.

We now have the Law Society of Upper Canada wants to compel Ontario lawyers to acknowledge systematic racism. Freedom of speech is one of the cornerstones of our society and compelled speech is supposed to be its opposite.

The SJWs are forcing universities to deal with sexual assault on campus. Sexual assault is a police matter but the SJWs don’t like the way the police handle it. The result is kangaroo courts in our schools.

The reason I post anonymously is that I fear SJWs. Once they take control we will look back at the Puritans as being pretty liberal. China was able to squelch the Red Guard. I fear that we will have a harder time getting rid of the SJWs.

Well said, CommieBob! AGW is a political war. The enemy is an unholy alliance of Socialists and eco-loony religionist/absolutists. Neither places the well being of humans anywhere on their scale of importance. The choice we have is that we win this fight and progress to something else ( hopefully better), or we lose- in which case we either go through a dark age for humanity or possibly we fall back into ignorance and poverty so profound that we never again rise out of it.
I think humanity is in a race between progress on one hand and poverty and ignorance on the other. It is not out of the question that we don’t make it.

commieBob, take heart. We know it will be simple. It’s been demonstrated to us by the master twitter troll who plays chess in 3-D while everybody else is playing checkers.

We merely have to reframe the debate. We simply title SJWs as Low Energy SJWs. Or, they become Crooked SJWs. Or, they become Lyin’ SJWs. Or, my favorite; Little SJWs. Or, perhaps, for Grand Master Trolling we reframe them as Little Rocketman SJWs.

So called Social Justice Warriors are just the foot soldiers of the far left leadership. Stalin called them “useful idiots” and “fellow travelers”. I don’t know what Fat Albert’s goals are, probably just to be in the public limelight and to keep getting rich. We know that he wanted power and being the poster child for CAGW apparently does give him that. However the political left in the west wants nothing more than the destruction of the USA. One reason is it represents capitalism. Some SJW attack the basic foundations of the USA, the founding documents, founding fathers, founding princples, etc. Other attack historically held morals, pushing us to accept relativistic morality. The SJW environmentalists are the stranger of the bunch. They attack and want to bring down the USA, the most environmental country in history by any measure. Of course all segments of the left believe we should be severely punished for all past mistakes. Still what is truly bizarre is to play in their game you need the latest program. If you are a club member and dare deviate from the orthodoxy you are to be shunned and if they ever come to power sent to a re-education farm or worse.

I sense a spiralling out of control. Societies are crumbling, people in what are regarded as civilised societies don’t have enough to eat and can’t afford to heat their homes- let alone the poor buggers who live in third world countries. Money is being sucked up by the new lords of the manor at an alarming rate in pursuit of a computer based model that has been roundly proved to be wrong- I doubt they give s**t anyway since the gravy train is in full swing, don’t want to disturb that income stream. On one level we seem to be living in a hand wringing society where things like political correctness, compliance and personal bubbles are pursued to the detriment of what is really important. People seem to be forgetting Maslows hierarchy of needs, a very dangerous path……

I haven’t followed the Weinstein case. I believe he has admitted some offences. However, trial by media is never a good thing, and that’s what Weinstein is enduring. Evidently, it’s a ‘just’ crusade as it emboldens other victims to come forward. I’m not so sure.

However, it does strike me as strange, that women allegedly submitted to his demands to promote their careers, yet it seems successful women, free from his influence, didn’t come forward earlier, and the unsuccessful victims didn’t also come forward earlier. In fact Weinstein’s victims with failed careers, arguably, had an even better reason to expose him following the alleged offences, as they had nothing more to lose, and he hadn’t kept up his end of the ‘bargain’ to make them successful.

I’m not defending Weinstein in any way. We had our own sexual predator, Jimmy Savile, in the UK. His case was only revealed following his death, at which point, there was an awful lot of people who came forward with tales of gruesome abuse, including serial child molestation, and more!

We have another post mortem inquiry ongoing with a deceased MP, Cyril Smith, also alleged a serial child molester. His guilt has also already been ‘established’, now it’s a matter of finding the smoking guns. The important thing in their cases is that their ‘trials’ have been conducted with no defence. Their guilt was established as soon as accusations hit the media. The trouble with that is that none of us can ever be confident of their guilt, because they had no right of reply. Except if one is a slave to the media.

Weinstein is being tried in the same manner, the difference is, he’s likely to bite back.

The SJW’s frequently use and manipulate the media because, judged on their own merits in a court of law, their cases would usually never be heard.

I have no time for sexual predators. My solution to their future is probably as distasteful to some as the crimes they committed. But the West’s acceptance of pre trial judgement, with the inevitable media pronouncement of miscarriages of justice by the SJW’s should the accused be acquitted, is an abuse of the criminal justice system. It’s a medieval lynch mob presenting a witch for trial. There is no innocent option.

Once again the media stands front and centre of the debate. And I welcome Trumps threat to the US media on their presentation of his nuclear position. It’s one thing reporting a story, it’s another thing entirely making a story up.

So do we imagine the press are more, or less likely, to target a celebrity, than they are the President with embellished, innuendo strewn accounts, of things said, or done?

I don’t know. But I do know that Weinstein is the least of the problems the Western world faces. But suddenly, he’s front page news.

Should we, perhaps, be examining our own moral and judgemental positions before condemning people presented as guilty by the media.

Never lose sight of the fact that the world is, right now, a more peaceful and prosperous place than it has ever been in its entire history.

The confusion of Capitalism, despite the intervention of socialism, has ensured substantially fewer people endure poverty than ever before, more people enjoy sophisticated healthcare, more people live outside war zones than ever before, more people have access to clean air and water, agriculture, communications and welfare than in any time in history. And not just by a small margin, by a massive margin.

I’m with you Bob. Those things remind me of the mutants in I Am Legend or Tolkien’s Nazgûl. They don’t appear to be human or react to stimuli in any kind of rational way that an animal would recognise. The extremist ideology inherent in the movement appears to be highly contagious and although it’s tempting to think that it’s just so insane it must implode some time soon there are no signs of that actually happening. In fact it appears to be still gaining momentum.

Help! Help! Micro-aggression!!
Call the ACLU!
I self identify as a skeptic!! And Al Gore says I’m a minority member!
Then he offended me!!
Skeptic lives matter!!
I need a safe space!
Someone get me an SUV and some endangered cocoa!
WHAT do I want? Lawsuit!
When do I want it? Now!!!

Come on over to our place, Aphan. We’ll drive the diesel 4X4 down to STL and demonstrate alongside the rest of the oppressed deplorables.
After we get out on bail (or treated & released at Barnes-Jewish) we can hightail it back to Holler-back Ranch (safe zone) to catch and grill some catfish before they quit biting for this year.

Why does no one snarl back at him “Who died and made you God, Al?” Why?

I’m hoping for a pleasant and relatively normal winter here in the upper Midwest. I do not mind staying all night shoveling snow. Learned that lesson the hard way. I need the exercise. My biggest concern is that the snows of winter stay longer and fall later in the Spring than they should for my area, and the water temperatures of the Great Lakes are not rising as quickly at winter’s end as they used to.

The First Amendment gives us the freedom to say what we want, but this does not extend to falsely yelling ‘fire’ in a crowded theater and this is exactly what Gore, the eco-nuts and the ideologically driven media are doing.

Bjorn is being far too kind to these people. When the advocates of a theory or ideology try to shut down any criticism of the ideology and demonise those making the criticism, it invariably means the theory is fundamentally flawed and incapable of dealing with criticism.

Indeed, but there is now an army of ideologues, even my small backwater town has a meeting soon about how to “Combat Climate Change”, complete with discussions about how to deal with “deniers”, and that huge growth industry: climate communication (aka propaganda and brainwashing).

Ed, I totally agree, but it is fun to watch the high priests of the climate faith turn on their own. It shows the depth of stupidity in their extreme positions. Bjorn’s book ‘The skeptical enironmentalist’ was brilliant and clever because it demonstrated a new (to me at least) way of counteracting this idiocy and I thank him for that. So I’ll forgive him his ‘belief’ in this or that which is not based on any logical or rational thought as we all make mistakesand hold views from time to time that are irrational.

That Bjorn believes in manmade climate change is not the point. He draws the right conclusions of the data, and proposes the right answers. No matter what is the cause of global warming if there is any. in my opinion there is a variance in every regional climate, and there is natural variation of global climate.

And not only ‘the entire political class in the West’. There’s the UN and all its spawn for a start, there’s the World Bank and all its spawn, there’s NATO, an organisation whose justification for existence ended a quarter of a century ago when the Iron Curtain fell …

We need to jump on politicians who refer to any of these parasites as ‘supranational’ (a word which falsely implies that these entities are above national governments) and insist that they are merely extranational (outside national governments) and have no authority over us.

Given that oppression and smears are what passes for ‘evidence’ in the climate science world, why do you keep ‘believing’?

It seems obvious to me that the original evidence which seemed fairly compelling should be re-examined in the light of the undoubted fraudulent nature of later climate science activities. And that the inability of climate scientists to show that climatic variation is in any way different from natural variation means that believing in man-made climate change is an act of faith rather than science.

That is why you and all the other scientists are being attacked. Climate Change is about faith. And to question any aspect of the faith is heresy…

That is an interesting question. I have asked myself that many times. I really like Bjørn’s approach. He escapes the “denier” category because he doesn’t attack the science. He goes after the low hanging fruit, the rank stupidity of some of the “Green” movement’s spokesmen and other published nonsense, pointing out economic fallacy and more.

Nowhere is it more obvious than the bogus “Paris” agreement. Bjørn goes after the provable futility of it all rather than the apparent axiomatic underlying premise, suggesting that we should save our trillions in lost GDP, and use it on something useful – and he has plenty of big-win/low cost suggestions with big positive outcomes and few (no) downsides.

We have plenty of people, incl. a lot of top tier scientists, regularly bringing the entire thesis of CO2 induced Global Climate Change into question. And doing a sterling job at that, to the point where IMHO one needs to be irrational (or politically bent) to think that it is a problem at all.

The cool thing about Bjørn’s approach is that more or less everything he advocates, makes economic and social sense even in the absence of CAGW.

I remain a fan of his approach, because I think in the long run, his insights will be valuable and many of them acted upon.

Here in the UK the Government (for want of a better term) is going to commit the UK to be a zero ‘carbon’ emitter by 2050. No more gas heating; no more gas cookers; and electric transport everywhere (except on haulage and mass transport – or a government minister’s limmo).

This got me thinking, especially in the context of the famous North/South Korean satellite photo of the peninsular at night:

If the UK (and many other western democracies are trying to be ‘carbon-free’ within 35 years, what would be the effect on the planet if North Korea were to become the equal of South Korea in the same time-frame? And wouldn’t any paper written on that subject would be worthy of a few million $/£s in funding from the climate lobby, bearing in mind that climate change would be in the title somewhere?

The problem with being in the socialist political vanguard is that one either has to slam on the political brakes, which socialist politicians never do, or continue with the deception until the brakes are slammed on for them.

Having said that, I don’t see any of our socialist governments (including our current ‘conservative’ government) having any option but to back out of climate support in the next five or ten years.

The scientific case continues with the ‘inconvenient pause’ and the political case is growing with Trump and Abbott, amongst others.

I have said before, and I’ll say again, when the next UK election rolls round, the climate change debate will figure large because ambitious young politicians are sensing the political winds of change and they see the gross sums of money sloshing around in the green coffers. What better a platform to be elected on than saving voters vast amounts of money when there is no evidence of climate change.

That’s the ultimate sin in the eyes of sociopaths!
A different opinion is “bad” and they call you a denier. Being able to proof your point causes them to freak out, really really hate you and justifies to destroy you!

The astonishing thing is that he really did get half a Nobel peace prize (unlike Michael E. Mann). But then so did these guys; European Union (Ukraine!), Yasser Arafat, UN Peacekeeping Forces, Henry A. Kissinger.

The term “denier” is weaponized syntax. Allowing opponents to use such weapons unchallenged enables them to frame the discussion/interchange and put you at great disadvantage. Once you try to justify or defend yourself from this kind of attack you’ve lost the fight because you’ve implicitly agreed with the attacker that you are a moral reprobate (because you’ve agreed that his framing of the argument is acceptable).

A way to fight this kind of character assault is to nullify the weaponized syntax by re-framing it and turning it back on the aggressor. This does two things: it nullifies the weaponized syntax and puts the aggressor on the defensive. For example,

Gore: “Is he a denier?”

Reporter: “You’ll have to ask him. I’m a denier in the sense that I deny public figures like yourself the right to make unsubstantiated claims. So let me repeat – your claim contradicts a reputable climate scientist’s research. Whether you know of him or nor is irrelevant. You’re a non-scientist, correct?” [see what I did there? – snicker]

It has been said before by other commenters, but deserves to be said yet again. To place this in a context many will be able to understand, simply replace “denier” with “heretic”, and it will be much clearer.
IMHO this is the beginning of the Pharisees internecine conflict, and it cannot happen fast enough.

Why not, “Sir, actions speak louder than words. By your actions you are denying climate change regardless of what your words are. You consume more electricity than a small town. You needlessly fly all around the world. You buy properties along the seacoast. And you consume enough food, including meat, to feed a family of four. Your ‘carbon footprint’ is larger than any other denier.”

Wow! If Roger Pielke Jr. is a “denier” then what am I? Oh sure, I have made a lot of money practicing science (like drill here, based on a scientific review of the data, and hitting the target more than most), but I keep saying that Sequence Stratigraphy says there is no anthropogenic climate change signal detectable against the variance of a naturally variable background. I’m somewhere below the level of “denier” and apparently sinking fast! Look at the time, I think I will go and play golf becuase the course is unusually green as of late. Just Saying.

How ironic that proportional representation, which is intended to allow all voices to be heard, gives “greens” the ability to be in coalition govts (such as the one with Mutti Merkel, and possibly a new one in NZ), allowing them to shut down voices they don’t like.

Justice Holmes’s Free-Speech LessonThe more certain you are, the more you should resist the temptation to silence those who disagree.

When men have realized that time has upset many fighting faiths, they may come to believe even more than they believe the very foundations of their own conduct that the ultimate good desired is better reached by free trade in ideas—that the best test of truth is the power of the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of the market, and that truth is the only ground upon which their wishes safely can be carried out. That at any rate is the theory of our Constitution. It is an experiment, as all life is an experiment. Every year if not every day we have to wager our salvation upon some prophecy based upon imperfect knowledge. While that experiment is part of our system I think that we should be eternally vigilant against attempts to check the expression of opinions that we loathe and believe to be fraught with death.

It is the way “debate” is now conducted whether it is about immigration (racist), welfare (heartless and cruel), free markets (capitalist shill), Brexit (racist, ignorant and old) and so on. I cannot think of a serious area in politics where a sensible and rational discussion can be had with much of the Progressive Left. Everything is black and white, and everything they want to do is unconditionally good and will [not] just work but work without any negative effects whatsoever. Until it doesn’t (Venezuela) when it is because evil Right-wingers (see Hillary Clinton’s new book) deliberately sabotaged it.

This is what it must have been like in late Medieval times with the Catholic church and the Inquisition.

Faith is so often a mountain balanced on a pinpoint. Any threat to that tenuous balance causes terror that the whole thing will crash down. Faith is usually far too fragile to withstand that kind of damage, and it cannot be rebuilt once it is broken.

No. They know, or at least strongly suspect, that they are wrong. Why else would they be so opposed to debate? To admit how wrong they are about CO2 would put the rest of the progressive agenda at risk. If they can be so wrong about something so important, people will definitely question the motives behind the rest of their agenda.

One of the things that strikes me about progressives is that they are never happy with the way that things are and want change everything to the way they think they should be. They do this without evidence from historical context that their changes will be an improvement. They do this without benefit of scientific experiment. They may give lip service to the Precautionary Principle with respect to technology, but it never occurs to them to require that their demands for social changes be proven to be without significant unintended consequences. They have the hubris to think that because they can find fault with current circumstances and cultural values, that they are wiser than those who have come before them. They want perfection in an imperfect world.

I’m reminded of the remark by Winston Churchill’s on Democracy: “Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time.”

Gore made a fortune by betting all his assets on a future world where crazy projects got billions in subsidies and governments listened to him and spent their citizens money on projects in which he was fully invested. Now his entire fortune is leveraged and at risk and he is reacting as you would expect: hateful, vicious, and insane. He will get worse as margin calls or loan payments come due. Watch for a bankruptcy announcement soon.

“Nice people made the best Nazis. My mom grew up next to them. They got along, refused to make waves, looked the other way when things got ugly and focused on happier things than “politics.” They were lovely people who turned their heads as their neighbors were dragged away. You know who weren’t nice people? Resisters.”

Aviation has become one of the safest forms of transport in large part by the application of knowledge gained through the study of how humans behave in what is a potentially dangerous environment. That has required a shift from looking for fault in pilots to trying to understand how and why accidents happen. Some well know accidents, such as the 1990 Avianca crash outside New York, were caused by the inability of those other than the captain to speak up and question what is happening and equally the captains inability to listen to the ‘lower ranks’. This is not different to ‘the discussions over’. Then there are accidents such as KAL007 where continuously checking that you are on track did not happen at all. In other words good safety is about maintaining a healthy level of skepticism about any of the decisions made and no matter the seniority.

Climate change on earth is natural. If you want to remove pollution and co2 then each country can do it with its own money and according to its own rules. We don’t have to send our money to this bul….it Paris Accord. The Paris Accord is nothing other than a propaganda and money stealing bunch of elites.

………… he was the target of a years-long campaign, including a massive but baseless takedown that later turned out to have been coordinated by a climate-campaigning think tank funded by a green billionaire, alongside an investigation launched by a congressman.”

The actions of the aforesaid climate campaigners are pretty much identical to the actions of ”illegal drug” dealers and/or the actions of “prostitution” pimps ……. whenever the “source” of their livelihood is being questioned.

The problem with this syllogism is that it implies that everyone who is ignored, will eventually win.
A lot of people who are ignored, stay ignored.
A lot of people get laughed at, then go back to being ignored.
A lot of time when they fight you, they win.

We’re brought up to believe that the good guys or truth will win out in the end, but I’ve never seen anything as insidious or pervasive as this AGW crap.Too many people who benefit from keeping it alive and moving. We have an 18 year hiatus and their method of dealing with it is to collectively ignore it! And they get away with it! Even on here we forget that it isn’t actually warming now!

Isn’t the planet warming, just a bit, but not as much as predicted, and certainly not in line with rising CO2?

I think the point is, that the planet is warming, but not in line with predictions and not in line with the alleged fundamental cause, increasing CO2.

But the hiatus is not going unignored by the marginal warmists. Ordinary people are becoming increasingly sceptical of hysterical claims of global catastrophe, when previous claims never manifest themselves.

Politicians eventually must take note. That’s not a hope, that’s a prediction.

Gandhi, Mandela, Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. and similar had success only when they were dealing with Protestant Christians. Try it with Communists or Muslims or historically NAZIs. Between Marxist-Leninist Socialists and National Socialists they murdered some 200 million people. Good luck with non-violent protests. In “The Black Book of Communism”, translated and published by the Harvard University Press, they relate advise that Felix Dzerzhinsky (founder of the Cheka/KGB) gave to his organizers. As I recall, he said something like “we want stout hearted men who know that nothing shuts someone up faster than a bullet in the head.” I suspect that Al Gore, Obama, and the United Nations are closer to Felix than Protestant Christians.

The analogy of the story of Kronos might be put to good use when debating the (rare) alarmist willing to debate, rather than engage in personal attacks.

That is, try to frame your debate in such a way that they either have to agree with you or have to eat their own children — i.e. D-Nye the dogma of their position. The internet does not lend itself to Socratic dialogue because of the time delay and the ability for one to go out to Wikipedia and come back and say, “I knew that all along!” However, in a one-on-one, or public panel discussion, a debater has to commit to a position when asked for a response. Although, even in that situation, I have found that many are smart enough to see that they are being led to the slaughter house, and will attempt to evade by changing the subject or resorting to ad hominem attacks.

From Gardian
“For the moment, (Antarctica) sea ice is increasing and this is a problem …..”
claims Dr. Ropert-Coudert director of research at the CNRS (Centre national de la recherche scientifique)
so what is this about?
“A colony of about 40,000 Adélie penguins in Antarctica has suffered a “catastrophic breeding event” – all but two chicks have died of starvation this year. It is the second time in just four years that such devastation – not previously seen in more than 50 years of observation – has been wrought on the population.”
………..
“For the moment, sea ice is increasing and this is a problem for this species as it pushes the feeding place – the sea ice edge – farther away from their nesting place,” Ropert-Coudert said. “If it shrinks it would help but if it shrinks too much then the food chain they rely on may be impacted. Basically, as a creature of the sea ice they need an optimum sea-ice cover to thrive.”

Years ago we had religion telling us that the Earth is exactly as it has always been since creation. Now science is trying, at least to imply the same thing. This is a function of idiots getting university educations and professorships.

I do not understand why anyone is interested in the opinions of Al Gore. He does not appear to be the sharpest tool in the box, and is no scientist.

A recent article discussed on Physics org, suggests that past levels of CO2 may have been much lower than previously thought. Whilst, CO2 lags temperature, it is significant that during very warm periods when the planet may have been as much as 18degC warmer than today, Co2 levels may have been no more than around 1,000 ppm.

Of course, the tectonic plates and distribution of land masses was rather different, but if it is the case that the atmosphere contained only around 1,000 ppm for lengthy periods, it demonstrates how little we know as to what causes warming and what ,if any role, CO2 plays in that. I highlight some of the article.

Concentration of carbon dioxide during an intense period of global warmth may have been as low as half the level previously suggested by scientists, according to a new Dartmouth College study.

The study found that carbon dioxide may have been less than 1000 parts per million, or ppm, during the Earth’s early Eocene period. This runs counter to thinking that concentration levels were as high as 2000 ppm in the same time frame.

By comparison, current levels of carbon dioxide observed at NOAA’s Mauna Loa Observatory are around 400 ppm.

“This research provides important information about the planet’s climate past and adds an important chapter to the Earth’s history book,” said Ying Cui, Obering Postdoctoral Fellow at Dartmouth College.

Climate researchers focus on the early Eocene, a so-called “super greenhouse” period, to better understand how the Earth historically responds to changes in carbon dioxide levels, and to help make better climate projections. Both the Arctic and Antarctic were ice-free in this time period as temperatures averaged about 10 degrees Celsius warmer than present day.

The early Eocene was also characterized by five periods of extreme warmth—known as hyperthermals—that occurred between 52-56 million years ago when the Earth warmed an additional 2 C – 8 C above the already higher temperatures.

You said, “I do not understand why anyone is interested in the opinions of Al Gore. He does not appear to be the sharpest tool in the box, and is no scientist.” Nor is Algo Rythm the brightest bulb on the tree.

In the US, despite constitutional prohibitions against aristocratic titles, people tend to give respect, even adoration, to celebrities out of all proportion to their objective qualifications, such as background in science, wisdom that comes from age, demonstrated intelligence, or even political acumen. Former elected officials (has beens), those blessed with a good voice (e.g. Barbra Streisand), members of the acting guild who have demonstrated the ability to memorize lines in a script, and news ‘anchors,’ are fawned over by the media and have groupies following their pronouncements as though they were actually important. (Admittedly, they do have some power that is related to their wealth.) It seems to be part of the same syndrome that has people addicted to their social media applications and ‘liking’ people. It is a human shallowness that is amplified by technology that allows instant reaction instead of considered reflection.

But then, there are still those in the former colonies who care what the Queen and her children are doing.

You have to fight and stand up and be counted, it’s just no good moaning on here anonymously and it’s no good justifying keeping quiet because of your job, friends, career or whatever. There are millions of us out here and we just need to grow a pair and CONFRONT the BS at EVERY SINGLE OPPORTUNITY.

It’s our JOB to save the Earth from this madness RIGHT NOW. So get to it guys and gals! We could have a public demo on 4th November if you like, I understand the film crews are booked to be on 24hr standby on that day for some inexplicable reason.

Is it, perhaps, because the catastrophic warming clique don’t believe their claims any more than the most ardent deniers? it’s pretty hard to explain the continued wide spread opposition to nuclear and geothermal power generation of anyone who really believes carbon dioxide is a problem.

Think about it… If they really believed in catastrophic climate change they could have started being honest about nuclear power 30 years ago. By now carbon dioxide emissions would be far lower than the best case scenario of the Paris agreement, just from the gradual replacement of fossil fired generation.

It seems the only conclusion is that Al Gore and his supporters are in fact “Climate Deniers.” If they believed their doomsday scenarios they would be behaving differently. They would be trying to solve the problem instead of trying to silence opposition.

” If they believed their doomsday scenarios they would be behaving differently. …”

I notice this all the time. If they really thought harm was coming to us then wouldn’t good news be welcomed and a massive relief? But no! Any proof that things are not as bad as claimed is met with opposition.

You can tell someone is dysfunctional when they would rather have a global catastrophe than be personally wrong about something.

This is very true and I have noticed it personally in some online debates I have had with members of the flock (sheeple). It is worth bearing in mind because it does look very stupid when exposed and the more you can prod, poke and expose the fallacies the better. I’ve got some stuff into online print which just sits there for months on end and gathers more and more viewers every day (I know as there are counters in some places). Some stuff has reached over 1,000 readers so even if a small percentage are made to think a bit more I feel I am doing some good.

You do have to be careful as much online blog chat etc is moderated and it can get removed. I try to plant a few seeds, have a bit of a chat and then leave it. Often it gets overlooked by the “censors” if the discussion is finished but new readers can come in every day. If you craft it well however it can get readership traction and rise up the google search results.

It’s amazing… all of the intelligent people I know, people who make a living through applied science principles, people who do something that requires intellect, all are either what al-Gore calls “deniers”, or at best, lukewarmers.
The strident believers that I know, however, tend to know very little about science, can’t add two 2-digit integers without a calculator, and think a few square feet of solar panels on the roof can run an entire household.

al-Gore can spare me his condescension – I know a con artist when I see one.

“This year’s event has also been attributed to an unusually large amount of sea ice. Overall, Antarctica has had a record low amount of summer sea ice, but the area around the colony has been an exception.
Ropert-Coudert said the region had been severely affected by the break-up of the Mertz glacier tongue in 2010, when a piece of ice almost the size of Luxembourg – about 80 km long and 40km wide – broke off. That event, which occurred about 250km from Petrels Island, had a big impact on ocean currents and ice formation in the region.”

The point is, people like you get concerned when the ice shelves/pack decrease in size, and others get concerned when an increase has a negative impact on the ecosystem. It is unrealistic to expect that anything related to climate will remain constant. Change is what weather does, and it has impacts on the ocean and land. The real D-Nyers are those who expect weather and the surface of Earth to be static.

So what about him not graduating from Vanderbilt? The reason he dropped out was because the House seat formerly held by his father opened up due to a retirement. Gore ran for the seat and won it. Wow, the guy’s a failure because he won an election to the House at the age of 28.

Most people graduate high school at 18 or less. Four years of college puts them at 22. SIX years later and he has not completed law school.
If he was working his way through school, he would have a reasonable excuse. The five “F’s”, and the inability to understand the distinction between “leading and lagging” elements in a time series, tells you what his problem was in school. If he was a middle class kid, he would be selling cars.

Bjorn Lomborg is very generous here in using examples of other people being castigated for insufficient fervour. His own experience in Western Australia is one not to be forgotten. The University of Western Australia in Perth was awarded a A$4m grant to host a centre for Lomborg’s consensus conferences which have done a good job debating where is the best place to invest. A group of academics (I use the term generously here – only in that at least some of them had academic positions at UWA) caused a fuss and the university turned down the grant! Think about that – a university turning down money in order to prevent discussion on a topic of high relevance to public policy, just because it was associated with someone deemed not properly on board with the message.

When examining apparently irrational behaviour, such as the absolute refusal of many politicians and academics to even consider the possibility that there is anything to be debated about climate change, it always pays to consider the old adage: follow the money.

The real source of money for the climate change industry is the wind and solar energy industries ($3 trillion dollars since 2000, and counting). The industries are sustained in their turn by the privileged grid access that politicians have obtained for them; whenever the wind blows or the sun shines, grids must accept their energy output, regardless of whether cheaper energy sources are available.

Protesters in the US used to complain about the military/industrial complex during the Cold War. Methinks it’s high time we started to make a fuss about the green energy/political complex which is making money hand over fist for a few privileged insiders while sucking money out of the rest of us.

From St Gore, no surprise at al.
For the true believer it is not enough to have ‘faith ‘ what matter is that it is off the right ‘type ‘ and unquestioning. Heretics are traditional always had a much hard time from religions, than those that do not believe at all. Why should AGW, given its addiction to ‘faith ‘ be any different?

I agree, Climate change having a huge impact of historical trends. We can see it in half of the world’s coral reefs bleaching. We can see it in losing nearly half of the Arctic Ice in 40 years. If you say you believe it’s a problem, but only acknowledge it as a small problem, then you might as well be a denier.

Half the world’s reefs aren’t bleaching.
The ones that were bleaching were due to the super El Nino, they always bleach during El Ninos.
The ones that did bleach are recovering.

We did not lose half the arctic ice over the last 40 years.
Regardless, 40 years ago arctic ice was the highest it’s been in the last 100 years or so.
Arctic ice has been recovering for the last 5 years.

Even if both of your lies were true, you still haven’t proven it’s a problem, much less a big one.

I agree, Climate change having a huge impact of historical trends. We can see it in half of the world’s coral reefs bleaching. We can see it in losing nearly half of the Arctic Ice in 40 years.

Please justify your claim. At its peak in March every year, the Arctic sea ice is only 7% below its supposed 30 year “average” (1979-2009) values, and – at -1.0 Mkm^2 anomaly – right in the middle of every recent 10 year sea ice extent. Now, at Arctic sea ice minimums, when there is only 4.0 Mkm^2 of sea, that same -1.0 Mkm^2 anomaly “seems” much greater by playing with the yearly minimum value, but it isn’t “losing nearly half” either. (By the way, for 7 months of the year, less sea ice means greater cooling and more heat released from the Arctic Ocean to space. )

Your recently fired ex-president once threatened his opponents as “bringing a knife to a gunfight.” Please don’t bring mindless CAGW-alarmist claims to a skeptical audience.

No evidence provided,a misleading claim since CO2 do not promote bleaching.

“We can see it in losing nearly half of the Arctic Ice in 40 years.”

No evidence provided, not relevant to the AGW conjecture because there were far less early in the Holocene,while CO2 levels were around 250 ppm.

” If you say you believe it’s a problem, but only acknowledge it as a small problem, then you might as well be a denier.”

No evidence provided that it is a problem, you then say that disputing YOUR unsupported assertions will make me be a denier. How pathetic can you be, to be castigating people who are not going to accept your evidence free claims?

So far you have made no case to support your claims at all. I doubt you will come back to answer anyone,since your comment has the feel of a drive by, which indicate you have no learning or love of free speech.

Chile is of course a country that did not subsidize solar and did not waste billions on large-scale demonstration projects or too much rooftop solar. It did the right and obvious thing with privately developed utility scale solar in one of the best insolation locations on earth plus wind projects. They just had to manage the developments in context with transmission planning.

My wife is a nurse in Valparaiso. Much of Chile is indeed infested with Leftism, but one of the most beautiful parts of the country, Region 9 (capital Temuco), is the only region which voted Yes to retain the Pinochet government. Too bad it’s so rainy in winter. Worse than western Oregon and Washington.

Otter,

Correct. Environmentalists stopped the hydro project. For a country without oil or gas, which it must buy from Bolivia and Argentina, it was idiotic.

Resource Guy,

An American engineer buddy of mine worked on the Atacama project, and it is as you say. Yet, still it has environmental costs which IMO rival those of the cancelled hydro project in the south.

In Region 9, however, the Mapuches are on the war path, setting forest and house fires, killing loggers, farmers and ranchers and blocking Ruta 5 with burning tires. The socialist regime of Bitchelet won’t let the carabineros do anything about the lawlessness.

The unwillingness to engage in thoughtful discussion and exchanges of ideas, and intolerance of dissent is totally characteristic of politics, religion, and other faith-based social belief systems, and is totally inconsistent with science.

What do we expect from these “political scientists” but polemics and constant attempts to stamp out heresy?

Like the scorpion who stings the frog, drowning them both in the raging river, it’s in their nature. That so many lay people are buffaloed by the religiosity of the True Believers is what is forever astounding, but I suppose should not be … because it’s in the nature of tribalistic humans to believe in “us vs. them.”. We see this every day in politics, both left and right, and religion, and all sorts of other social organizations (sports, lifestyle, etc.) and any other mental system based on maintaining the faith rather than willingness to consider that we do not have all the answers to life’s questions..

The Gore response is typical of political figures who stake territorial claims on issues that they craft and defend. That includes defense against any new facts, figures, research, data, etc. The same can be seen in Hillary behavior.

What amazes me is that so many people live on a world whose surface is composed of over 70% water, and somehow only a few of these people are able to rule by “logic” that Earth’s climate is dominated and controlled by a gas composing only 0.04% of the atmosphere.

And when you try to point this out, your critics ignore these basic numbers and try to turn your attention to complicated confabulations of numbers that are supposed to impress you as somehow more convincing than the simpler numbers, simply because confabulations appear to be visually more impressive.

“And after the interview he [Gore] and his assistant stood over me shouting that my questions had been scurrilous, and implying that I was some sort of climate-sceptic traitor.” BBC- Roger Harrabin, 10 Oct 2007

Leading with such questions as, “Are you a denier?”, is a passive aggressive ad hominem.

… which should be met with an equally passive aggressive counter-question, such as the one I posed, … “Are you a liar?”

Trying to play nice just makes you play into the attack without addressing it. I would have said, “Let me stop your right there, Al. I will proceed no further in any discussion with you, if you continue to attack me with labels, either directly in declarative sentences or implicitly in suggestive questions that scream your close-mindedness in resounding tones.”

In retrospect, I sure am glad that Al Gore lost the 2000 election. His utter arrogance on AGW climate change issues probably arises from his hostility to losing that election. That arrogance now manifests itself as really fuelling the skeptic debate, and one that he is losing as evidenced by his lashing out now in the death throes of the cult movement he helped establish. It may take 20+ years of a pause in no statistical warming of the planet for the rest of the world to come around to common sense, but I think he knows the jig is up, hence his lashing out at anyone not toeing the line in his presence. A good sign I would say. Keep it up Big Al, we need more of this desperation from the lunatic CAGW movement to prove how unhinged this religion has become.

A good example is television commercials. Sponsors that pay for time to advertise, use gimmicks and convincing sounding/looking strategies to plant ideas into the heads of viewers……..which causes them to remember a certain product or think about that product in a way that results in a decision to spend money on it.

Research shows that they are not flushing that money down the toilet because it works. This is well known and used in many fields. A car salesman, for instance is not going to tell you that they will take an offer $1,000 less than what he says is the bottom line…………or real estate agent selling a house.
They are selling something and depending on how honest (or desperate) (or biased) they are, will use everything in their bag of tricks to do it.

With climate science agenda, you have all 3 working in tandem.
1. Dishonesty
2. Bias
3. Desperation

The lack of skill in predicting temperature in global climate models(too warm) can’t be acknowledged and adjusted downward because it would be a major blow to selling the product………..dangerous man made global warming.

Recognizing the complete lack of skill in predicting regional weather in climate models would be a devastating blow.

Instead, insisting that the science is settled, 97% of real climate scientists agree on it and anybody that disagrees is a flat earther, denier that has some underlying motive(ties to big oil) and are doing their best to sabotage the effort of all the Mother Theresa’s trying to save the planet for life and our grandchildren.

Ironically, the last 4 decades have featured the best weather/climate for life on this planet that is massively greening up BECAUSE OF the very thing, increasing beneficial CO2, that their marketing scheme is selling as pollution.

Trillions of dollars worth of agricultural benefits alone in fertilization!!

It would be as if you just won 10 million dollars in the lottery and I tried to convince you that taking it would cause you to go bankrupt.

Fossil fuels, besides being cheap, reliable and abundant, have the added benefit of CO2 emissions that are causing bin busting crops and a greening of the planet.

Is global warming real? Yes, and probably humans are causing around half(we can’t know for sure). The atmosphere holds a tiny bit more moisture and heavy rain events have increased slightly. Heat waves have also increased slightly. Some hurricanes might get a bit stronger…..no trend yet.

However, the coldest places have warmed the most. Violent tornadoes are down. Global drought is down slightly and no, extreme weather has NOT increased, other than heavy rains.

The positives outweigh the negatives by 10 to 1.
Take away 100 parts per million CO2(go back to 305 ppm) and see how many people on this planet starve to death. Billions would have much less food and prices would skyrocket…….that’s the science of photosynthesis and the key role of CO2.

So we have been bombarded the last 2 years with news about the hottest global temperatures ever, along with CO2 soaring to the highest ever.
What we are not hearing about have been the massive benefits to (record smashing) crops based on the real world empirical data above.

Not despite climate change but BECAUSE OF it.

Crop models projected crop growing adversity from drought and heat would offset gains from increasing CO2 over the past decade. They were exactly wrong. They are busted. Time to reconcile the models to reality, not the other way around. Simulations of the atmosphere on a computer using flawed equations, projecting to 2100 that have been wrong for 20 years are still the main selling point and marketing tool to sell this agenda.

What I find incredible is Lomborg’s steadfast insistence that CAGW is real, in spite of the attacks on him and others who Believe, but don’t necessarily toe the line with every aspect of the Belief system. It defies all logic.

The progressive political goal has never really been “stopping climate change”. The goal has been to use climate change as a tool to implement policies that further the interests of “borderless, centrally controlled, one-world-socialism”. Pielke Jr. was attacked, not for denying the tool, but for dulling its cutting edge.

Gore and other alarmists view human prosperity (except their own) as original sin. Here is proof:
1) Virtually all the same claims and demands were made on the first Earth Day (too many people, too much use of fossil fuels, destroying Gaia) in 1970, well before global warming was even an issue.
2) Hydro and nuclear, obvious ways to reduce emissions, are never supported
3) Biofuel is good then bad
4) Oil palm plantations are good then bad
5) The same people rail against capitalism, as if socialist countries (typically dirtier than capitalist) were run on rainbows.
6) Fracking, which reduces both emissions and pollution compared to coal, is always opposed.
7) They oppose development, gentrification, cars, and making money.

If you study the emergence of Christianity, the early sects thst believed but not fully in the Nicean (think Paris Accord/consensus) Creed were particularly attacked.
The climate cult/abomination is not really behaving differently, attacking and silencing those believers who are not orthodox enough.

I have been predicting for years that one of the symptoms of the collapse of the global warming delusion is that the catastrophists turn upon themselves. The fact that people who like to think of themselves as “moderate” or “lukewarm” adherents of the “consensus” are being targeted for demonization and destruction is part of the predictable process of collapse of this anti-scientific belief system. Expect to see this more and more in the years ahead. Though these people naturally find it uncomfortable, and deserve sympathy, it is, taking the broad historical view, an entirely welcome development.

And since all his Progressive leftist friends are pretty much being outed as rapists and molesters, it’s worth reminding everyone that ol Al’ is one too – right here in Portland, OR, where he tried to force himself on a masseuse who actually thought she was there for a back rub. The local cops and press buried it, and it didn’t get mainstream attention until the for-God’s-sake ENQUIERER broke the story – and, by the way, was when Tipper decided to give him his walking papers because there were at least two other incidents.

Locally, the woman victim’s greenie ‘friends’ told her to keep quiet because Gore had to ‘save us all from
Global Warming’.

Remember, these people supporting this failed Priest and False Prophet are the ‘moral high-ground.’

Is it science based on challenging the status quo? Continued questioning and retesting of all current science, is the foundation of science. The accepted challenge of a current theory and even facts is to be relished not ridiculed, that’s science. Name calling is politics, post truth media propaganda.

“When people stop believing in God, the problem is not that they will believe in nothing but that they will believe in anything,” Michael Crichton once said

Rob Iliffe, in his recent book, “The Priest of Nature,” comments that, “[Isaac] Newton frequently noted that there was a natural human tendency to crave superstition, mystery and other idolatrous beliefs and practices.” It hasn’t gone away. Newton compared the belief in relics and statues in his time with the ancient Egyptian provision of animal gods for commoners by the priestly class whose own beliefs were substantially more abstract.

Global warming is the leading faith dissected on this site. But many people in our “modern” era are obsessed by a dark-age fascination with astrology. And witchcraft is not far behind. As often as not they also harbor a dread of hydraulic fracturing, despite its clean bill of health from every scientific investigation ever done. They have an unshakable faith in “organic” foodstuffs and bottled water, while condemning every genetically modified product no matter how nutritious and carefully produced – all while bingeing on the newest designer allergy. I think today it’s gluten intolerance. That does not even address the delusional orthodoxy of environmentalism.

Is it any wonder that the Al Gores see big returns in these fantasies and use them? Does anyone think it is possible to talk “sense” to this crowd? No … no more than chances of “reasoning” with Al Gore, who knows when his cash cow is at risk.

Did you ever ask yourself how he’ll enjoy the taste of dollar bills? Because at some point, the greed that drives his (and others’) cash hoarding will be all that they have left and people who can grow wheat and cabbages and tomatoes and potatoes will be far more valuable and likely to have an audience than the blustering fools like Gore.

I really do think they need their own planet,,, maybe in the Trappist system.

As a journalist you have the responsibility to know the facts. The findings of climate science are readily available. I urge you to be better informed. There are not two sides to this issue. There are those that follow the science and those that don’t. It would appear that you are in the latter category.

As a journalist you have the responsibility to know the facts. The findings of climate science are readily available. I urge you to be better informed. There are not two sides to this issue. There are those that follow the science and those that don’t. It would appear that you are in the latter category.

`A question, please.
Are you a journalist? Or a propagandist? Or a scientist?

Does pleasing the government in order to earn money for your “Green Market Oracle” in order that people are harmed, people are killed, and people are starved due to artifically high energy prices and deliberately scarce energy supplies are denied those who need energy to live profitable? Does it feel good to harm people, knowing you are harming people deliberately so you can feel better? (Restricting energy use now will not change the earth’s climate now, nor in the future. Killing people now will definitely do those you kill no “good”. Ever. So your “precautionary policy” guarantees permanent harm to millions over 100 years, in the 5% chance that in 100 years possible harm might be prevented that affects 100’s.)

Propaganda pays well, doesn’t it? Certainly better than researching things as a “journalist” used to do. But you have specifically stated you are not interested in the truth. You merely demand that the government – seeking trillions in new taxes, and the financial markets – seeking tens of trillions in energy futures manipulation, be heard.

Odd that. You. Denying anyone else any freedom of choice. Any freedom of thought, word, or deed. Do you deny some one else a freedom of religion? Or are only those religions and those races who persecute the ones you hate permissible in your state?

There are those who push junk science for profit & control and those who follow the real science. Climategate exposed the blacklist – the real science is suppressed so the ridiculous junk science can dominate.

The nazis were also a green party, funny how gores last climate alarm campaign netted him many millions-4 mil he used to buy a palacial beach house located where He predicted would be submerged decades ago. If he’d believed his own rhetoric wouldn’t he have purchased property inland of there cheaper & Now being oceanside? Don’t be gullible to their forced hoax, the elites care Only for themselves.

This isn’t surprising at all — it’s another symptom of what’s at the heart of the suspicion felt by regular people like me who are trying, despite our limitations, to understand the science. It leaves a huge stain on all those who seem to take the same “side” in the argument as Mr. Gore, and calls into question any assertions they may make.

There is a reason that the damage in Poor Houston” was so bad even though Harvey was not particularly unexpected. Actually, the damage AND the prevention was known some 20 years ago. But, the so called ‘leaders” of Houston chose to ignore it. And, for them it was the right decision. They took their money and walked away. Read it and weep for the poor schmucks who lost all in Houston.