<div dir="ltr">I wasn't saying maybe it's you who are the racist. I was saying (and won't apologize for because it's true) that their assumptions of another person's values based on their appearance were faulty and that racists fall to the same faulty logic. I was never blaming the victim or asking people to approach this person directly. The idea that the only option for a person in a group targeted by white supremacists are to leave or "get over it" is a false choice and never one that I put forward. The "solutions"(I can use sarcastic quotation marks too) that were presented were arguable at best. I think that David's solution was optimal because rather than pushing the problem out the door for people on the street to deal with it actually solved it or attempted to and ended up with everyone being a little less hurt. Had this person already not been kicked out and told not to return this solution would have actually done something to ease racial tension rather than just polarize the groups more.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 1:24 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jeffreyatw@gmail.com" target="_blank">jeffreyatw@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div>I think the general problem was that in defending yourself and "critical thinking", you were belittling others (saying they are thinking like white supremacists, saying things like "maybe it is you who are the racist").</div>
<div><br></div><div>Additionally, please don't be insulting. If you can't help it, take a while to cool off before you reply.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><div><br></div><div>Jeffrey</div></font></span><div>
<div class="h5"><div><br><div><div>On Jun 20, 2013, at 1:03 PM, LinkReincarnate <<a href="mailto:linkreincarnate@gmail.com" target="_blank">linkreincarnate@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
Danny don't fucking lump me in with Drew. Or with racists just because I don't believe every assumption that passes through my head. If a container says poison does that mean it contains poison? In fact it may have been useful to have a person with racist tattoos simply because it causes the shady racists to come out to hiding and be identified and removed from the group. If you want to talk about this in person I would be more than happy to oblige you but frankly it seems to me like you are encouraging people to hack me. Especially since you just started following my twitter feed after this argument. While you are on there feel free to look at my history of fighting racism on twitter. Of course that is not surprising that you would turn to mob justice given your end's justify the means attitude of this whole affair. You and Lief and Snail and Liz are a cabal that hopes to control every aspect of noisebridge and you gang up on people who disagree with any tiny part of your agenda. You are living in as effective of an echo chamber as anything in the deep south and even using the same fucking logic as southerners to justify your point of view. Your entire group encourages classism the continuation of racism, and sexism. I was not defending racism for like the 13th time. I was fighting the idea that white privilege is a concept that white people are incapable of understanding. If white people can't understand white privilege they why even bring it up? It will only confuse us. I was fighting the idea that I could not understand what it feels like to live under the priviledge of another group or be a part of a regularly disparaged group. None of you fucking know me, any of my life experiences or even what fucking demographic I belong to. Nor have any attempted to understand or find out. In fact I am demonized for pointing out that your assumption of others may be wrong. How do you know that I am not a part of a group targeted by the kkk? You don't. You people are soo chomping at the bit to prove how not racist and accepting you are that you have stopped thinking. Throw the baby out with the bathwater. If assumptions and appearances are always correct why do we need the eff, or the ACLU? Or lawyers or judges or scientists. Who am I indeed you neckbearded fuck.</div>