Ford Exec: 'We Know Everyone Who Breaks The Law' Thanks To Our GPS In Your Carhttp://www.businessinsider.com/ford-exec-gps-2014-1/comments
en-usWed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500Tue, 31 Mar 2015 18:49:30 -0400Jim Edwardshttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d90c326bb3f7b923769287Watson JonesFri, 17 Jan 2014 05:55:46 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d90c326bb3f7b923769287
I liked the idea of having a GPS system in your car . But are the advantages of having such system in your car.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d4f6236da8119001c79b5cmark.daddario.92Tue, 14 Jan 2014 03:32:35 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d4f6236da8119001c79b5c
If Ford is so worried about speeders, why do they continue to build vehicles that can go well over the maximum speed limits in the U.S.? Why does anyone need a mega horsepower sports car that guzzles gas? Ego? Who needs to go over or well over 100 miles an hour? Grownups that never grew up? Get real and drop the hypocrisy. Sure, speed is fun. Been there, done that. I've also learned that sometimes speed kills.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d43702ecad04a16fbd2f23Ted YanMon, 13 Jan 2014 13:57:06 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d43702ecad04a16fbd2f23
That's an interesting thing to say.
Ted Yanhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d27adf69bedd9651b54552SteinschmetzerSun, 12 Jan 2014 06:22:07 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d27adf69bedd9651b54552
Good I never drove or will drive a FORD. Keep your spying Shit inAmerica, stop delivering to german market. You dont stand a chance against Daimler, BMW and Audi anyway.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d1f2c2eab8eae43f09c1f8wise oneSat, 11 Jan 2014 20:41:22 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d1f2c2eab8eae43f09c1f8
My backlash was to stop buying new crap vehicles in 1980... Only the old stuff from Craigslist will do,
as long as it is less than $900.00!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d1eb7eeab8ea8b2f09c1f5WhoCaresSat, 11 Jan 2014 20:10:22 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d1eb7eeab8ea8b2f09c1f5
So what? Your cell phone has already been doing this for a while now. Your life is no longer private. Get used to it. Driving is a privilege and a public activity. If you're doing 110mph down the freeway, endangering everyone around you, maybe they can also remotely kill your engine and lock you in until the Stormtroopers arrive.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d1b7b3eab8ea744809c1f5fudbusterSat, 11 Jan 2014 16:29:23 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d1b7b3eab8ea744809c1f5
So show me the wifi or cell chip in these cars that uploads the GPS data. GPS data is read-only, from the satellite to the GPS. It's more likely this guys is a lying idiot that Ford is collecting this information. I suppose it could be stored up, then downloaded via wifi when you take your car in for service - but I doubt that would be technically feasible either.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d173216da8113b3382abe5Obamaroid_OintmentSat, 11 Jan 2014 11:36:49 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d173216da8113b3382abe5
Another reason to be glad I got the Toyota.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d0fa8f6bb3f7327ab13939EricTheRonSat, 11 Jan 2014 03:02:23 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d0fa8f6bb3f7327ab13939
OK, now besides "stupid criminal" stories we get "stupid executive" ones. In any event, there's really no reason to pay the ridiculous prices for in-dash GPS when you can download maps on your smartphone anyway, and the app won't cost you much.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d0c21beab8ea4b45b1392drpwFri, 10 Jan 2014 23:01:31 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d0c21beab8ea4b45b1392d
My question is why doesn't Ford use the GPS units (in all Fords with the SYNC bluetooth system) to help their owners locate and/or disable stolen vehicles? It could have a lot of marketing potential...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d0c1466da811ed37b13929rpwFri, 10 Jan 2014 22:57:58 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d0c1466da811ed37b13929
I sell Fords and handle all the signing of paperwork as well, and I am not aware of any software click licenses in any of the paperwork...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d0bceb6bb3f74511b13929James M.Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:39:23 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d0bceb6bb3f74511b13929
That's the free market for you -- consumers be damned, there are dollars to be made! This is where I'd say some government oversight is needed, but they can't be trusted, either. Guess I'll stick to removing the OnStar module from my car and putting in that nice Bluetooth module for my phone. (Yes, I know my phone is tracking me, too. One tracker at a time.)http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d0a06869bedd976db1392dThomas R.Fri, 10 Jan 2014 20:37:44 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d0a06869bedd976db1392d
Yeah... I'm not buying it. For now, I don't even believe he said it. Why would he?
The GPS systems are third-party-hardware, constructed by corporations that have nothing to do with ford. If anyone had that data, it would be those companies in the GPS business. And even for them to get it there would have to be a database linking every purchased GPS device to the customer who bought it. And I'm pretty sure I don't have to show any ID when I walk to the electronics store to buy one of those gadgets. I guess Ford is listening to my telephone calls, too?
Not buying any of it.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d097ceecad048b43b13929Knit pickerFri, 10 Jan 2014 20:01:02 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d097ceecad048b43b13929
Even in that case, you're buying a car that tracks you. You are not buying the data.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d02434ecad04fa604229ddjakesdadFri, 10 Jan 2014 11:47:48 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d02434ecad04fa604229dd
while I'm normally one to jump on these things in this case I'm inclined to think this is a case of a PHB not knowing what he's talking about... the cars unquestionably have GPS but they have to have a way to upload that data to a mother ship & it's unlikely they're paying for the bandwidth to do it synchronously (whether wireless carriers, satellite or whatever) or went through the trouble to buffer it & upload when it gets access to internet bandwidth (whether open wi-fi or bluetooth to owner's phone). it is quite possible that they sneaked it into their app suite & users "opted in" without having any idea what they're agreeing to (actually makes me want to sniff what my Lexus is doing w/my phone & their app suite).
in any event regardless of what reality actually IS it was an incredibly STUPID thing to say that will most assuredly not boost sales...
finally, for anyone worrying about the NSA unfortunately such data would simply be redundant to the cell phone data they already have (i.e. that milk's already spilt)...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d014df6da81114490b643bSCAQTonyFri, 10 Jan 2014 10:42:23 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52d014df6da81114490b643b
I am never going to consider a Ford as an option now -and if in the future all cares have GPS systems, I am ripping it out.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cfdef16da811792d0b643dDarrenFri, 10 Jan 2014 06:52:17 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cfdef16da811792d0b643d
Are you agreeing to those licenses when you buy a used car?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cf93e86bb3f7af4bf3c8ddJohn WinsalotFri, 10 Jan 2014 01:32:08 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cf93e86bb3f7af4bf3c8dd
My sediments exactly. You'd think a big cheese executive like that, at the helm of a company like Ford, would actually be smarter than that. I've been a Ford "loyal" for years (like the dependability of their stuff), but I will never buy another late model Ford, nor will I ever buy a new one from Ford. That doof just ensured that Ford will never get my business again. Wonder how many others feel that way too? Wonder what that's gonna cost them?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cf92f06da811bd505f73bdJohn WinsalotFri, 10 Jan 2014 01:28:00 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cf92f06da811bd505f73bd
Ford just totally lost any future business of mine. I'll be a monkey's uncle if I'm ever going to knowing buy a product (like my personal automobile) that sends data to the Corporation that made it. Oooooh NO!! The fact that this guy was, pardon me for putting it this way, but stupid enough to admit that stuff publicly and let the public know they actually do collect data on you (whether they give it to others or not) just absolutely insured I will never buy a late model Ford automobile. He insured I will never give them my business again. Wonder how many other Americans/Ford lovers will feel the same way. I wonder how much that guy just cost Ford in potential profits over the coming years. What a Numbskull.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cf858aecad04ac2df3c8e2jj72Fri, 10 Jan 2014 00:30:50 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cf858aecad04ac2df3c8e2
As recording it is illegal in most states without the consent of the person being recorded, there is probably a nice class action suit of all Ford owners with GPS against Ford. Also, could this possibly illegal in some states. Of course they retracted his comment, the lawyers at Ford realized that they have had a significant liability exposed. With regard to click licenses, for a term allowing recording, I would argue that the dealer had to explicitly point it out at signing to make it legal.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cf7f89eab8ea771ab51fc7John MooreFri, 10 Jan 2014 00:05:13 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cf7f89eab8ea771ab51fc7
Also, lawyers could subpoena it for all sorts of reasons, from accident torts to divorce.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cf6534eab8eabb63b51fc2petergreyhillThu, 09 Jan 2014 22:12:52 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cf6534eab8eabb63b51fc2
he single handedly blew fords sales increases - who wants one now ?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cf5387eab8ea5f3fb51fc2G GlassThu, 09 Jan 2014 20:57:27 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cf5387eab8ea5f3fb51fc2
I have owned a 2009 Ford Fusion and currently own a 2010 Ford Fusion. I was going to be purchasing a 2014 Ford Fusion this year, but not now. When I do sell my 2010 Fusion (Soon), I will be replacing it with a brand and model that does not have GPS anything in it... Even if that means that I have to go back a few model years to do it.
I will not be a willing participant in this Orwellian society.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cf3ae96da8114a5e5f73a5wodunThu, 09 Jan 2014 19:12:25 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cf3ae96da8114a5e5f73a5
"Farley himself then walked back the statement, saying "I absolutely left the wrong impression about how Ford operates. We do not track our customers in their cars without their approval or consent.""
From his prior comments it sounds like they most certainly do track their customers. Just because Ford doesn't use the data or sell it to the Obama administration doesn't mean it they are not tracking their customers.
Notice the weasel word of consent. Terms and conditions may apply and people never read the fine print. Saying people have consented because they signed a form in legalese, a language as foreign as middle or old English, is a BS cop out.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cf28886bb3f7ed7ef3c8d3reverendcaptainThu, 09 Jan 2014 17:54:00 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cf28886bb3f7ed7ef3c8d3
Where do we get in on the betting pool on the date of the first subpoena for this data in the prosecution of a Ford customer?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cf21da69beddfd07f3c8d1Robert BThu, 09 Jan 2014 17:25:30 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cf21da69beddfd07f3c8d1
What size of shoe does he wear?? Seems like a pretty big foot to stick in his own mouth.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cf0ab069bedd5d54f3c8d2MastroThu, 09 Jan 2014 15:46:40 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cf0ab069bedd5d54f3c8d2
Insert Ted Kennedy joke here.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cf079deab8eafb1fb51fc4Grok itThu, 09 Jan 2014 15:33:33 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cf079deab8eafb1fb51fc4
It's my understanding the new Ford Escape has the GPS navigation hardware and software in all the cars with the My-Ford-Touch system - even if you do not buy the navigation package. It's all in there, it's just disabled in the software. I guess it's cheaper to build just one computer system rather than multiple different systems.
I don't know if there is a way to ensure the GPS doesn't collect data - the system is opaque. I have no idea where the GPS unit is and if it is even possible to cut power to it without cutting power to the main computer.
I'm doing some research now and considering getting rid of my Escape if I cannot disable the unit. BTW - gps blockers are illegal and I saw an article about how some cops carry equipment to detect them,http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cf06e7eab8ead821b51fc5CelebrimThu, 09 Jan 2014 15:30:31 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cf06e7eab8ead821b51fc5
Well, these are the cars I've owned in my life:
1964 Ford Mustang
1984 Ford LTD
1990 Ford Escort Hatchback (Last Ford fully made in America, and best car I've ever owned)
1998 Ford Focus
2004 Ford Focus
2008 Ford Escape
I think it likely that this GPS situation means I'll never own another Ford.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cf02f46bb3f7cf3bf3c8ceMonteThu, 09 Jan 2014 15:13:40 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cf02f46bb3f7cf3bf3c8ce
The government intends to use GPS data to tax you for milage use on the highways. It will be required in all vehciles in order for them to continue their theft of you money.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cf02d969bedd4b44f3c8ceAlan in DurhamThu, 09 Jan 2014 15:13:13 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cf02d969bedd4b44f3c8ce
Settle down. This is the way it's going to be.
The whole environment of GPS and portable phones and Facebook and Twitter works against privacy, and the new people don't care. Privacy is obsolete, and the Brain Police are going to have a good old time with it. Your only option is to die, which they're willing to wait for.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cefe356da811ed31895628derfel cadarnThu, 09 Jan 2014 14:53:25 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cefe356da811ed31895628
I( have always been a buy American guy, Ford was the last real American car company and this admission has broken that bond. I will now buy the best car for the money no matter who makes it there are no REAL American car makers left.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cef88eecad047822d0243dName (Required)Thu, 09 Jan 2014 14:29:18 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cef88eecad047822d0243d
this sounds about right considering ford was started by a nazi sympathizerhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cef79beab8eace7fd0243bName (Required)Thu, 09 Jan 2014 14:25:15 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cef79beab8eace7fd0243b
I think it's a safe bet to say that any car now knows where you are at all times, not just Fordshttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cef778ecad046220d0243bConcerned CitizenThu, 09 Jan 2014 14:24:40 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cef778ecad046220d0243b
Get a GPS blocker from Hong Kong for about $100 if you're that concerned about it. Plug it into your ciggy lighter. Commercial truckers use these all the time, they are always tracked.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cef724eab8ea217dd0243fName (Required)Thu, 09 Jan 2014 14:23:16 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cef724eab8ea217dd0243f
soon? i think we've passed that point a long time agohttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ceef3decad04d50bd0243dWilliam PayneThu, 09 Jan 2014 13:49:33 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ceef3decad04d50bd0243d
The rule of law demands that justice be applied fairly and uniformly; after all, it is a blindfold that Justice wears over her eyes.
The only way to apply the law fairly and uniformly is to prosecute automatically whenever anybody has any evidence that the law has been broken.
The alternative is selective justice - a dark and evil path down which we have already wandered dangerously far.
Ford MUST hand this data over to the authorities, and prosecutors MUST prosecute every single instance according to the law.
The same goes for ALL of the data being held by EVERY private company (and government agency) out there.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ceeccbeab8ea7067d0243dConcerned CitizenThu, 09 Jan 2014 13:39:07 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ceeccbeab8ea7067d0243d
We are officially living in a Police State. My iPhone tells me everyday how long my commute will take without asking because it knows where I go everyday at what time. It tracks and records where I go and for how long, who I talk to, what I am going to be doing (on my calendar), it has my fingerprint and knows who my closest friends and relatives are. It has in every way tracked me. Hello 1984.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ceeb3aecad04da04d02447JohnG911Thu, 09 Jan 2014 13:32:26 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ceeb3aecad04da04d02447
Does it come with a fire extinguisher?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cee2e0eab8ea5953d0243bSkipThu, 09 Jan 2014 12:56:48 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cee2e0eab8ea5953d0243b
Privacy....what's that?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cee16f6bb3f75376d0243fDenverThu, 09 Jan 2014 12:50:39 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cee16f6bb3f75376d0243f
I am keeping my 1971 Ford F-250 pickup.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cedff869bedd736f1c32c3tloveThu, 09 Jan 2014 12:44:24 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cedff869bedd736f1c32c3
Hilariously stupid thing to say.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cede9aecad040e6fd0243frufus.frazier.7Thu, 09 Jan 2014 12:38:34 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cede9aecad040e6fd0243f
Well, I won't be buying a Ford soon. Or a GM product with "Big Brother", I mean "Onstar" installed. Frankly, though I don't see much kick back from this, as most US sheepizens no longer consider being monitored or controlled any big deal.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cede4069beddeb6c1c32bemoronThu, 09 Jan 2014 12:37:04 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cede4069beddeb6c1c32be
Jim, thanks for the info! How will you deal with a severe downturn in car sales? Take that crap off your cars!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cedade69bedd83641c32c0GlobalTrvlrThu, 09 Jan 2014 12:22:38 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cedade69bedd83641c32c0
What a stupid thing for an executive to say. And although we know that there is GPS in our cars, why does Ford have access to it at all? How do they have access? Is there also a wireless connection that Ford controls? Or is it that they can download it if you bring it in for service?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cedad169beddeb641c32bcRALThu, 09 Jan 2014 12:22:25 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cedad169beddeb641c32bc
For those who are saying "I'll never buy another Ford" because of this statement, be assured that ALL cars have this capability - this Ford exec was the only person who admitted it publicly. If you aren't going to buy a Ford because of this, then you need to ditch your cell phones, digital cameras and tablet computers. Pay for services ONLY with cash, don't use a credit or debit card since they can be tracked. Buy cars that were made before the 1980s. Don't travel to cities where cameras are rampant.
There is a reason that companies are enthralled with the concept of Big Data. If you have enough data on a person you can predict much of their behavior and use it to target marketing efforts most efficiently. Remember the claim that the last presidential election was swayed by the use of Big Data? It can be used for far more.
Having your car transmit GPS locations to the manufacturer is a concern, but it shouldn't be your highest concern. By the way, are your kids using their cell phones to let their friends automatically know where they are? Do they like getting ads for stores and restaurants as they enter the mall? Guess what - they're transmitting their info to more than just a car manufacturer.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cedaa7ecad045366d0243eDot KomThu, 09 Jan 2014 12:21:43 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cedaa7ecad045366d0243e
How are the receiving the information? GPS satellites don't know who or what they are transmitting to, so unless Ford built a data recorder into their vehicles and are using some kind of cell network to send that data back to Ford, this guy has no clue what he's talking about.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ced3b469bedd49521c32c8StewThu, 09 Jan 2014 11:52:04 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ced3b469bedd49521c32c8
Back to the question what IDIOT buys a FORD? They will supply this "service" to your local insurance company. They then will supply you with a "different" insurance quote.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ced1526bb3f7c553d02444Mike VerkuylenThu, 09 Jan 2014 11:41:54 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ced1526bb3f7c553d02444
Are you kidding me, anyone who thinks this information is not widely available through our cell phones via the NSA illegal breach of privacy already, you really need to take off your tinfoil hat!
My BMW X5 tells me how many other BMW's are on the road in a traffic jam so i can re-route, this is a 2009 car. If there is a backlash, I would be stunned!!!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ced01e6da811f22b89562acurphThu, 09 Jan 2014 11:36:46 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ced01e6da811f22b89562a
More meta-data for the NSA, FBI, ATF, ....http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cec67becad042c40d0243bMrRyanConnorsThu, 09 Jan 2014 10:55:39 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cec67becad042c40d0243b
I predict a horrible PR backlash in 3... 2...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cec277ecad04a834d0243bFFordThu, 09 Jan 2014 10:38:31 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cec277ecad04a834d0243b
why should GM get all the perks???http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cec19d6bb3f7af38d02441FFordThu, 09 Jan 2014 10:34:53 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cec19d6bb3f7af38d02441
it doesnt matter. there's camera's all over the place along roadways. soon your whereabouts will no longer be private. get ready.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cec1616da811af03895626RedmondsThu, 09 Jan 2014 10:33:53 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cec1616da811af03895626
Yes you did.
Everyone knows the NSA is watching. If Ford tracks GPS and uploads it to their office, they in effect, upload it to the NSA.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cebfececad049034d02443cigarettemachinegunThu, 09 Jan 2014 10:27:40 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cebfececad049034d02443
LOL !!! nicehttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ceb8d5ecad049222d02448Rabbit FighterThu, 09 Jan 2014 09:57:25 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ceb8d5ecad049222d02448
Let’s have a full Viking funeral for our privacy, as it is now obviously dead. Let it go out in full-ceremony: Colorful sails, waving flags, trumpeters, burning ships set out to sea….the works!
No tears or renting of garments over what we’ve lost; no, none of that. We’re all just suppose to get into the whole spirit of the thing and enjoy being unwittingly ‘shared’ and our personal information passed around among the government, corporations, law-enforcement…. Heck, anybody who’s willing to pay for it. There you go…. that’s the spirit! Let anyone who wants access to our personal lives have it…. Just give us a 50% cut of the profit to make it worth our while.
Because, as the George Harrison song put it: “I don't know how someone controlled you, They bought and sold you…..”http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ceb8a96bb3f73829d0243dtroobleThu, 09 Jan 2014 09:56:41 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ceb8a96bb3f73829d0243d
I am shocked, SHOCKED...
Note when you sign your auto sales agreement, you are signing a bunch of software click licenses as well, which specify that the data your car produces, stores, and transmits, does not belong to you.
On the plus side to Ford, I LOVE your two-piece side mirrors. Genius!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ceb7456bb3f7c326d0243easdrfThu, 09 Jan 2014 09:50:45 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ceb7456bb3f7c326d0243e
In that case, when my car is stolen, they should also be able to give exact location of my car toohttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ceb6f2ecad04dc22d0243dConfusionThu, 09 Jan 2014 09:49:22 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ceb6f2ecad04dc22d0243d
Did I miss the part where the Ford Motor Company became the US government?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ceb603eab8eaf671d02443ParadiseThu, 09 Jan 2014 09:45:23 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ceb603eab8eaf671d02443
I don't know about you, but I miss the days when the lone cop sitting behind a billboard had his radar gun pointed in my direction and I was warned of his location by my Escort radar detector and the CB blaring out that there was a "bear" up ahead.
Old technology may not have been as efficient as today's high tech.........................but it sure was more fun.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ceb4a6ecad040c1cd0243bkrypticThu, 09 Jan 2014 09:39:34 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ceb4a6ecad040c1cd0243b
Fool, the thing they sell you is the consumer-facing module. The GPS is probably still embedded in the car.
Best solution is to find the attenna and use some well placed tin foil, which you need to ground to the chassis, by the way.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ceb25a69bedd1c051c32c4Murder she wroteThu, 09 Jan 2014 09:29:46 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ceb25a69bedd1c051c32c4
If we know where the car GPS is when you want to commit a crime you could hide the GPS somewhere in your home and use this as an alibi...http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ceb19e69bedd97071c32c0RedmondsThu, 09 Jan 2014 09:26:38 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ceb19e69bedd97071c32c0
Summary - You think it's okay for the government to track our every move.
You should move to China/North Korea then.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ceb072ecad042013d0243dRedmondsThu, 09 Jan 2014 09:21:38 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ceb072ecad042013d0243d
Hopefully this device doesn't upload the data to Ford.
If it does, obviously the NSA(US Military) is watching.
That's scary to think the US Military know how fast I drive, where I am, what protests or rallies I went to, what church I go to, etc.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cead6a69bedd8c7b1c32c2Put that DownThu, 09 Jan 2014 09:08:42 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cead6a69bedd8c7b1c32c2
ALL car manufacturers have built this into their 2012+ systems now... They will now tap your OBDII to wirelessly retrieve your engine misfires, oxygen sensor issues, speed, oil pressure, thousands of data points your car is throwing etc. They will begin to automate sending you service updates via email based on usage soon. They will also proactively be flagged about warranty-buster procedures or events (super low oil level, etc) The easter eggs are already hidden folks. Insurance companies, authorities, etc are circling for this data... who will be the Nick Snowden of the Auto industry?
This is the same technology leveraged by the APP makers who help your kids stay off texting while driving, monitoring rolling stops, speeding, etc.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cead58ecad04d20ed0243ddafoinkThu, 09 Jan 2014 09:08:24 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cead58ecad04d20ed0243d
not necessarily. the GPS could be just another component to your car's computer system and not an in-dash GPS. it may never be directly interfaced by the user but merely a data logger. your car's computer does this already for other diagnostics. GPS modules are cheap these days and are very tiny (think, there is a GPS device in your phone)http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ceacb269bedd50791c32bfdafionkThu, 09 Jan 2014 09:05:38 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ceacb269bedd50791c32bf
the question is where the GPS is. They can create a GPS module about the size of a quarter that could be part of the car's computer system (all cars have computers to deal with fuel injection and other car operation). It doesn't have to be the in-dash GPS. Just like your phone, it is tiny and can be embedded anywhere. and you can buy one of these modules retail for about $30, so it wouldn't be that much of an additional cost for the manufacturer to just embed it into the car and never be interfaced directly by the consumerhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cea09d6bb3f78078d0243eClownFartThu, 09 Jan 2014 08:14:05 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52cea09d6bb3f78078d0243e
Just diasble it and tell Ford to go F themselves.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce9ffaecad040673d0243eMickey Thu, 09 Jan 2014 08:11:22 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce9ffaecad040673d0243e
Thanks for the heads up, I will never buy a ford now. I was about to buy a new for SUV guess I will buy the honda pilot instead they don't track their customers.
Why so you can sell the info to insurance companies or the government ?
Take your big brother BS someplace else, I don't like my privacy invaded Ford you lost a future customer. But then again you were never concerned about safety aka the pinto and the police cars you sold.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce974b69bedd9d471c32c2theBigRaguThu, 09 Jan 2014 07:34:19 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce974b69bedd9d471c32c2
Remember a few years ago Tom Tom was accused of selling GPS data I think to the Danish police so they could conveniently set up speed traps. If you really believe any of these executives that your data is private you are a fool. If there is a way to make a buck from it they will. Just wait until the government mandates GPS in all new cars so they can track your mileage for a carbon/gas/road improvement/save the whales whatever "fee".http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce967869bedd3d4a1c32bcfloridiotThu, 09 Jan 2014 07:30:48 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce967869bedd3d4a1c32bc
The nav/GPS is about a $2000 option so you can find many F-150 without it.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce8b4569bedde72d1c32c0DhbThu, 09 Jan 2014 06:43:01 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce8b4569bedde72d1c32c0
I was wrong. They are first cousins.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce897f69beddec2d1c32bcDhbThu, 09 Jan 2014 06:35:27 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce897f69beddec2d1c32bc
This dude is the older brother of the late great chris farley. I remember reading that chris had an older brother who was an executive at ford. The way this country is going living in a van down by the river might be the way to go. An older van of course that doesn't have GPS.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce87a869bedd12211c32c6AbacusThu, 09 Jan 2014 06:27:36 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce87a869bedd12211c32c6
Forget the "carbon footprint" BS. We need to minimize our "digital footprints" at the same time we push for legislation to protect our privacy from invasive corporate and governmental snooping. For starters, don't buy an overpriced POS GPS in your next car. Walk away.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce80ff6da811754389562frcThu, 09 Jan 2014 05:59:11 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce80ff6da811754389562f
And thanks for telling us. I won't buy a Ford.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce6b466da811da0e895626Samuel ClemensThu, 09 Jan 2014 04:26:30 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce6b466da811da0e895626
Creepy. How does Ford know all that? This implies that Ford's GPS is broadcasting back to Ford in real time. If that is the case, I would promptly remove any Ford installed GPS option. I mean the NSA might have to get permission from a secret court, but who does Ford think they are, Google the supreme destroyer of privacy?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce672169bedd085e1c32bedThu, 09 Jan 2014 04:08:49 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce672169bedd085e1c32be
Side/wire cutters, end issue.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce5c6969bedd19456c2240John Galt 007Thu, 09 Jan 2014 03:23:05 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce5c6969bedd19456c2240
I will not be buying a Ford anytime soon.
It is a shame for this once great American car company to want to spy on its customers. They have no interest in the car business, they are a wannabe "dataminig" company, the car is just a means and an excuse to knowing every aspect of the unsuspecting users life. F**k them, I am not interested in buying a Ford in the same way I am not interested in having a Big Brother camera in my house..http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce56f16bb3f7026d6c2240kobraThu, 09 Jan 2014 02:59:45 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce56f16bb3f7026d6c2240
ok yes u know, good luck to course on your customershttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce45f06bb3f7ff496c224bGuy21321Thu, 09 Jan 2014 01:47:12 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce45f06bb3f7ff496c224b
Well even if I do not end up buying a Ford, my phone will still do a pretty good job of tracking my every move.
Furthermore, in reply to "that's wrong" comments, when you buy the car there must be some kind of disclosure in very fine print in a hidden part of the contract where you agree to these terms, so technically it is not fundamentally wrong.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce420aeab8ea57056c2240Zomby D'WulfThu, 09 Jan 2014 01:30:34 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce420aeab8ea57056c2240
your car won't run, it's hooked into the cars computer. what you can do is cover the gps antenna with foil and look online for a hack program for your models computerhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce414e6da81129121c32c0Zomby D'WulfThu, 09 Jan 2014 01:27:26 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce414e6da81129121c32c0
"We know everyone who breaks the law, we know when you're doing it. We have GPS in your car, so we know what you're doing. By the way, we don't supply that data to anyone," and we won't sell it to your ins company or give it to the cops if they ask or "CUUM" in your mouthhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce402a6da811d10f1c32beThe BrosterThu, 09 Jan 2014 01:22:34 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce402a6da811d10f1c32be
There's always one sheep willing to walk into the slaughter house.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce3fb5eab8eae17a6c2240?????????Thu, 09 Jan 2014 01:20:37 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce3fb5eab8eae17a6c2240
I unplugged the onstar/gps box under my seat in my 2009 Pontiac Vibe. It's not that hard to do.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce389869bedd35786c2240James1Thu, 09 Jan 2014 00:50:16 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce389869bedd35786c2240
Well, there was a guy who once did that with an FBI GPS locator that was placed on his vehicle covertly in the course of an investigation. He was actually charged with destruction of government property.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce383a6da811437d1c32bcJames1Thu, 09 Jan 2014 00:48:42 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce383a6da811437d1c32bc
GPS is easily jammed. Just sayin'http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce36c26bb3f7c82f6c2240Byte MeThu, 09 Jan 2014 00:42:26 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce36c26bb3f7c82f6c2240
This should come as no surprise. Well known and no different from most other vehicle manufactures. My beef is, They don't provide a way for their own customers to easily access the same data. Gee, I wonder why?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce31196da811e3631c32c8mikej77Thu, 09 Jan 2014 00:18:17 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce31196da811e3631c32c8
Accept that the roads will gradually all be computer controlled over time leading up to the launch of millions of self driving vehicles. Too much cost is involved in running the roads like a slaughterhouse so the brain dead will either drive according to the law or be on the bus. The self driving vehicles will create and require predictability.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce2d72ecad04b4186c2244mikej77Thu, 09 Jan 2014 00:02:42 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce2d72ecad04b4186c2244
This will be excellent for more serious criminal charges arising from collisions and the ensuing civil liability. Very difficult to see how this data will not be made available to the Courts.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce2d346bb3f77b1e6c2240shamanThu, 09 Jan 2014 00:01:40 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce2d346bb3f77b1e6c2240
I wonder what the ramifications of by-passing, or reprogramming, or flat out removing and throwing in a deep freakin lake are? You can be sure insurance companies will demand this data. Not that ford was on the list for my next car, but it sure is no longer going to be considered. Time to restore an older ride that has o computer chip.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce2d17eab8eaa4546c2242Buster BunnsThu, 09 Jan 2014 00:01:11 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce2d17eab8eaa4546c2242
Good point......http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce2be469bedd24596c2243Buster BunnsWed, 08 Jan 2014 23:56:04 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce2be469bedd24596c2243
Ford to American People: "We are watching you and compiling data which we won't use, but could if we wanted to." American Public to Ford: "Fug off stoolie...."http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce2bb26da811ac551c32bfruiWed, 08 Jan 2014 23:55:14 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce2bb26da811ac551c32bf
wont be long now before Ford is selling that data to police departments. the police will be issuing $200 speeding fines based on electronic survalliance. Police departments will be paying Ford because they could generate a ton of speeding violation fines.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce1fa569bedd613a6c2242Fantastic TonyWed, 08 Jan 2014 23:03:49 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce1fa569bedd613a6c2242
It's a free market, man. You don't gotta buy the models with the GPS, those cost extra anyways.
But if you think Waze, or your mini tablet, or any other app isn't tracking your data, you're sorely mistaken.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce1ebd6bb3f79a7d6c2245Fantastic TonyWed, 08 Jan 2014 22:59:57 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce1ebd6bb3f79a7d6c2245
What do you define as BS? The fact that they get data while providing you with a service far too complicated for you to do yourself? They're not giving the data to others, so don't expect any speeding tickets in your mailbox, but know that this data will make future cars and roads better.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce1b4d6da811e1281c32bcmike zukaWed, 08 Jan 2014 22:45:17 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce1b4d6da811e1281c32bc
This GPS BS must end. Period.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce1b0d69beddef346c2240MikeSWed, 08 Jan 2014 22:44:13 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce1b0d69beddef346c2240
One, the car companies need to stick to cars. We have an app for this already one of the is called Waze. Car company and their over priced in dash electronic packages can suck it. Mini tablets with cellular can do it all and we can choose the apps and control the data, mostly.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce04ba6bb3f7104b6c224dDid he really just say that?Wed, 08 Jan 2014 21:08:58 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce04ba6bb3f7104b6c224d
I can't believe he came out and said that. Wow.
I would never buy a Ford, but he probably lost a lot of sales, due to running his mouth.
Where';s Fred Sanford aka Red Fox when you need him?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce02a969bedd9b796c2242GWed, 08 Jan 2014 21:00:09 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce02a969bedd9b796c2242
Well that's a deal breaker.... No Ford F-150 for me!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce01c8eab8ead97b6c2240mikej77Wed, 08 Jan 2014 20:56:24 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/52ce01c8eab8ead97b6c2240
Please supply all the moving violations data to the Police so traffic tickets can be mailed to the offenders. This should help greatly in boosting state revenues.