Re: PET FOR SMITE SPEC

Re: PET FOR SMITE SPEC

I think it would be a nicer baseline spell, perhaps as a lvl 80 addition. Make it a pet that heals the raid by some stupidly usless mechanic like JoL or Healing stream totem, though under your direct control. Make a glyph to make it stun, and can be commanded to attack doing minimal damage(unless under X effect, in which senario it will explode and kill everything :P).

Re: PET FOR SMITE SPEC

There is a contingent of folks who want to pew pew with holy damage spells at range. Just as there are those who roll warlocks because they want to throw shadow spells and summon demons, roll mages because they want to throw fire/arcane/frost, or roll paladins because they want to be a holy knight that smashes things with 2-handed swords.

I am flabbergasted as to why this is such an abhorrent concept to some. Though I cannot speak for all of those who wish to play a holy caster, I would submit that a majority just like the flavor.

Furthermore, arguments against a viable holy caster are specious at best.

Why are bads so bent on getting holy as a viable dps spec? Just because you are too incompetent to play shadow and watch dots doesn't mean blizzard should cater to you.

(1) Are the good dps mages you know bad players because they do not have DoTs to watch? BTW, currently holy dps has to watch 3 DoTs [DP, SW:P, HF(DoT)] and 2 CDs (HF&SW).
(2) Blizzard caters to its player base all the time. The direct correlation for this is the feral druid tree. Cat dps was bad. Now it is viable. Some druids wondered why they had talents to improve cat form when it had no viable use in a raid setting. This is exactly the same for some priests who wonder why there are spells, talents, and glyphs for holy dps when it isn't viable in a raid setting.

GENERAL ARGUMENT: It would be imba for priest to be able to heal like crazy and pull raid viable dps.

A properly spec'd holy dps caster would be just as good a healer as a balance/ele druid/shaman or shadow priest. Sure, they can heal, but they would not have the throughput or longevity of a properly spec'd healer. Again, a feral druid spec'd for bear would make a lackluster cat, and a properly spec'd cat would make a lackluster bear. There is already precedent.

Re: PET FOR SMITE SPEC

I am flabbergasted as to why this is such an abhorrent concept to some. Though I cannot speak for all of those who wish to play a holy caster, I would submit that a majority just like the flavor.

The flavor ish good. *licks ice cream*

Furthermore, arguments against a viable holy caster are specious at best.
(1) Are the good dps mages you know bad players because they do not have DoTs to watch? BTW, currently holy dps has to watch 3 DoTs [DP, SW:P, HF(DoT)] and 2 CDs (HF&SW).

As an update (doing some testing) Death may take a step down, and Mind Blast take its place during the first 65% of a boss.

(2) Blizzard caters to its player base all the time. The direct correlation for this is the feral druid tree. Cat dps was bad. Now it is viable. Some druids wondered why they had talents to improve cat form when it had no viable use in a raid setting. This is exactly the same for some priests who wonder why there are spells, talents, and glyphs for holy dps when it isn't viable in a raid setting.

[color=teal]General Argument here: "They're for soloing duuuuuh" yet how many shadow priests solo? You have to respec for a raid anyways.

GENERAL ARGUMENT: It would be imba for priest to be able to heal like crazy and pull raid viable dps.

A properly spec'd holy dps caster would be just as good a healer as a balance druid, elemental shaman or shadow priest. Sure, they can heal, but they would not have the throughput or longevity of a properly spec'd healer. Again, a feral druid spec'd for bear would make a lackluster cat, and a properly spec'd cat would make a lackluster bear. There is already precedent.

Re: PET FOR SMITE SPEC

(1) Are the good dps mages you know bad players because they do not have DoTs to watch? BTW, currently holy dps has to watch 3 DoTs [DP, SW:P, HF(DoT)] and 2 CDs (HF&SW).

Im not talking about mages, they are completely different from priests.

You dont watch a 7 second dot from a 10 second CD spell by the way. Just like how you dont watch SW:P if you are casting MF within 18 seconds as shadow.

Feral dps may have been horrible, but no one rolled feral to dps. Cat dps was just there to provide an extra dps in situations like "oh hey we dont need 3 tanks for this boss, go cat to still provide 5% crit and do more dps than as a bear". Elemental shamans, balance druids, ret paladins, and shadow priests had god awful dps compared to everyone else, but they provided utility in BC which so many people seem to have forgotten because you scrubs were farming heroic slave pens every day.

The reason those specs were made viable in terms of dps, was because their specific utility was removed and spread across several classes.

Holy smite specs have never provided utility or good dps, and need no buff to make them do either. A random bunch of bads like you just want to feel special (see what i did thar) because you are the only one doing it on your server.

Re: PET FOR SMITE SPEC

Re: PET FOR SMITE SPEC

1) Lol @ All the people who keep saying Vikings instead of Vrykul. Vikings =/= Vrykul. There are Nordic influences, but THEY'RE NOT THE SAME.
2) Shadowfiend = FTW for raiding.
3) Why would I want a pet? My Daily spec (holy/disc/spirit tap) gives me about 1.4k DPS on mobs in Icecrown, possibly with crits. Mobs go down fast enough as it is for me with it. If I wanted pets, I'd roll a hunter or a warlock (I do have both).

Re: PET FOR SMITE SPEC

Originally Posted by Zinge

Holy smite specs have never provided utility or good dps, and need no buff to make them do either. A random bunch of bads like you just want to feel special (see what i did thar) because you are the only one doing it on your server.

Oeh, you made is blue!

In TBC, I specced holy DPS when doing instances and guess what, the overpowered warlocks and elemental shamans couldn't outDPS me. They were trying! That was both before and after the SoL bug (which was that it could still crit and proc from that crit aswell, and once I had 4 instant crits in a row).

Holy DPS made you go OOM very fast though, but stuff died. I wouldn't go raiding with that spec. Also that spec didn't have any utility except for imp fort.

Nowadays, holy DPS isn't high enough on the charts to be viable for high-end raiding. It does get slightly more DPS from buffs than shadow because of spirit, but that won't make up for the difference in DPS between shadow and holy DPS with the same gear. Do try it out once, you'll just have to see for yourself and /lol.