Pinnock's attorney, Caree Harper, said she was notified by Arevalo on Wednesday and told the search warrant was for "property or things that are evidence that tend to show that a felony has been committed or tends to show that a particular person has committed a felony."

Thanks for telling us what a search warrant is. Now tell us what this one was for. There are only two or three different stories out there (LA Times, AP, and maybe a third). None of them says anything about the warrant or the affidavit in support of the warrant.

ZAZ:Pinnock's attorney, Caree Harper, said she was notified by Arevalo on Wednesday and told the search warrant was for "property or things that are evidence that tend to show that a felony has been committed or tends to show that a particular person has committed a felony."

Thanks for telling us what a search warrant is. Now tell us what this one was for. There are only two or three different stories out there (LA Times, AP, and maybe a third). None of them says anything about the warrant or the affidavit in support of the warrant.

It says right there: "tend". Maybe it was felony tending. Or intent to tend sometimes know as pretending.

LAPD will lose this one. If they don't they'll soon be able to seize all your lawyer's materials too.

edmo:ZAZ: Pinnock's attorney, Caree Harper, said she was notified by Arevalo on Wednesday and told the search warrant was for "property or things that are evidence that tend to show that a felony has been committed or tends to show that a particular person has committed a felony."

Thanks for telling us what a search warrant is. Now tell us what this one was for. There are only two or three different stories out there (LA Times, AP, and maybe a third). None of them says anything about the warrant or the affidavit in support of the warrant.

It says right there: "tend". Maybe it was felony tending. Or intent to tend sometimes know as pretending.

LAPD will lose this one. If they don't they'll soon be able to seize all your lawyer's materials too.

edmo:ZAZ: Pinnock's attorney, Caree Harper, said she was notified by Arevalo on Wednesday and told the search warrant was for "property or things that are evidence that tend to show that a felony has been committed or tends to show that a particular person has committed a felony."

Thanks for telling us what a search warrant is. Now tell us what this one was for. There are only two or three different stories out there (LA Times, AP, and maybe a third). None of them says anything about the warrant or the affidavit in support of the warrant.

It says right there: "tend". Maybe it was felony tending. Or intent to tend sometimes know as pretending.

LAPD will lose this one. If they don't they'll soon be able to seize all your lawyer's materials too.

jso2897:edmo: ZAZ: Pinnock's attorney, Caree Harper, said she was notified by Arevalo on Wednesday and told the search warrant was for "property or things that are evidence that tend to show that a felony has been committed or tends to show that a particular person has committed a felony."

Thanks for telling us what a search warrant is. Now tell us what this one was for. There are only two or three different stories out there (LA Times, AP, and maybe a third). None of them says anything about the warrant or the affidavit in support of the warrant.

It says right there: "tend". Maybe it was felony tending. Or intent to tend sometimes know as pretending.

LAPD will lose this one. If they don't they'll soon be able to seize all your lawyer's materials too.

jso2897:edmo: ZAZ: Pinnock's attorney, Caree Harper, said she was notified by Arevalo on Wednesday and told the search warrant was for "property or things that are evidence that tend to show that a felony has been committed or tends to show that a particular person has committed a felony."

Thanks for telling us what a search warrant is. Now tell us what this one was for. There are only two or three different stories out there (LA Times, AP, and maybe a third). None of them says anything about the warrant or the affidavit in support of the warrant.

It says right there: "tend". Maybe it was felony tending. Or intent to tend sometimes know as pretending.

LAPD will lose this one. If they don't they'll soon be able to seize all your lawyer's materials too.

The LAPD isn't going to lose this one.

Agreed. It is hard for them to lose when they aren't involved at all (unless that was their off duty officer that assisted the CHP officer, but even then it doesn't appear he did anything wrong). I know it is easy to jump to conclusions that police abuse means LAPD in Southern California, but remember there are lots of police agencies out there in the region, and all may have officers who do questionable things (as well as officers who do things right).

edmo:jso2897: edmo: ZAZ: Pinnock's attorney, Caree Harper, said she was notified by Arevalo on Wednesday and told the search warrant was for "property or things that are evidence that tend to show that a felony has been committed or tends to show that a particular person has committed a felony."

Thanks for telling us what a search warrant is. Now tell us what this one was for. There are only two or three different stories out there (LA Times, AP, and maybe a third). None of them says anything about the warrant or the affidavit in support of the warrant.

It says right there: "tend". Maybe it was felony tending. Or intent to tend sometimes know as pretending.

LAPD will lose this one. If they don't they'll soon be able to seize all your lawyer's materials too.

StrikitRich:edmo: LAPD will lose this one. If they don't they'll soon be able to seize all your lawyer's materials too.

LAPD?

So, does this seizure violate HIPAA?

I wouldn't think so as her mental and physical status may have a bearing on the "criminal behavior" of the suspect as well as any injuries she suffered in the incident would have a bearing on the charges potentially filed against the officer. Her physical and mental state have a bearing on both of the individuals who may be charged so the investigating officers need that information to present the evidence to the DA to see if charges will be pursued against anyone involved.

Interestingly, there isn't a link to the supposed viral video of the beating, anywhere in TFA. Anyone got a link? The coffee isn't getting my blood moving quickly enough this morning, and I could use some outrage.

SirLothar:Interestingly, there isn't a link to the supposed viral video of the beating, anywhere in TFA. Anyone got a link? The coffee isn't getting my blood moving quickly enough this morning, and I could use some outrage.

It isn't a big deal. It's a clear-cut case of 'stop hitting yourself'... a perfectly valid defense in SoCal.

Tom_Slick:I think it is time for all cops to wear cameras that automatically upload to a cloud server maintained by the ACLU.

You don't understand the thin blue line! If they have to always worry about what some dope smokin', commie lovin' desk jockey hippey watching everything they do then no one and no thing will be safe. If the ACLU has video of Officer Protect America eating a ham sandwich he will be fired for cruelty to animals. Just imagine what kind of punishment will be handed down to that brave officer if he does his job and stops a terrorist from selling marijuana to five year old Johnny Fresh Face.

iheartscotch:I don't know what the deal is. If they had a legit warrant; a judge had to approve it. Shouldn't we be upset with the judge that approved the warrant; not the agency that executed the warrant?

/ that is assuming that the warrant was on the level

// the police don't just write up warrants that don't get approved by a judge

It's the Judge, DA and Police people should be upset with. The system is corrupt and we all know it.

ZAZ:Pinnock's attorney, Caree Harper, said she was notified by Arevalo on Wednesday and told the search warrant was for "property or things that are evidence that tend to show that a felony has been committed or tends to show that a particular person has committed a felony."

Thanks for telling us what a search warrant is. Now tell us what this one was for. There are only two or three different stories out there (LA Times, AP, and maybe a third). None of them says anything about the warrant or the affidavit in support of the warrant.

If that is the justification for yhe warrant it won't hold up in court. But more likely it is to invade her privacy to have her drop suit. They dont want a court hearing.

Daedalus27:jso2897: edmo: ZAZ: Pinnock's attorney, Caree Harper, said she was notified by Arevalo on Wednesday and told the search warrant was for "property or things that are evidence that tend to show that a felony has been committed or tends to show that a particular person has committed a felony."

Thanks for telling us what a search warrant is. Now tell us what this one was for. There are only two or three different stories out there (LA Times, AP, and maybe a third). None of them says anything about the warrant or the affidavit in support of the warrant.

It says right there: "tend". Maybe it was felony tending. Or intent to tend sometimes know as pretending.

LAPD will lose this one. If they don't they'll soon be able to seize all your lawyer's materials too.

The LAPD isn't going to lose this one.

Agreed. It is hard for them to lose when they aren't involved at all (unless that was their off duty officer that assisted the CHP officer, but even then it doesn't appear he did anything wrong). I know it is easy to jump to conclusions that police abuse means LAPD in Southern California, but remember there are lots of police agencies out there in the region, and all may have officers who do questionable things (as well as officers who do things right).

Daedalus27:StrikitRich: edmo: LAPD will lose this one. If they don't they'll soon be able to seize all your lawyer's materials too.

LAPD?

So, does this seizure violate HIPAA?

I wouldn't think so as her mental and physical status may have a bearing on the "criminal behavior" of the suspect as well as any injuries she suffered in the incident would have a bearing on the charges potentially filed against the officer. Her physical and mental state have a bearing on both of the individuals who may be charged so the investigating officers need that information to present the evidence to the DA to see if charges will be pursued against anyone involved.

So if someone is suffering from some physical or mental malady it's okay for the police to beat the living cap out of them?

bloobeary:FTA: The officer, who has 1 1/2 years on the job, hasn't been identified and is on desk duty pending completion of the internal investigation.

Anyone want to roll the odds on the outcome of that investigation being "After careful review, we have determined that the officer in question followed correct procedure" ...?

I found the angle they are going forThe officer detected a slight tremor of the ground. Upon realizing he was on a fault line he attempted to punch the earth on the fault line down into place. It has been determined that Marlene Pinnock interfered with official police business by repeatedly placing her face inbetween the ground and the officers fists.

yesand when she is done with her lawsuits, she will be quite rich(she will probably piss it away in a year, but whatever)

Nothing that they seized will be admissible and pretty much any judge will be dismissing her criminal case at this point.The interesting question will be if there are criminal charges against CHP for fraudulently using or getting a warrant.Judges tend to get pissed when you lie to them about warrants.

Callous:Daedalus27: StrikitRich: edmo: LAPD will lose this one. If they don't they'll soon be able to seize all your lawyer's materials too.

LAPD?

So, does this seizure violate HIPAA?

I wouldn't think so as her mental and physical status may have a bearing on the "criminal behavior" of the suspect as well as any injuries she suffered in the incident would have a bearing on the charges potentially filed against the officer. Her physical and mental state have a bearing on both of the individuals who may be charged so the investigating officers need that information to present the evidence to the DA to see if charges will be pursued against anyone involved.

So if someone is suffering from some physical or mental malady it's okay for the police to beat the living cap out of them?

Daedalus27 ,Agreed. It is hard for them to lose when they aren't involved at all (unless that was their off duty officer that assisted the CHP officer, but even then it doesn't appear he did anything wrong). I know it is easy to jump to conclusions that police abuse means LAPD in Southern California, but remember there are lots of police agencies out there in the region, and all may have officers who do questionable things (as well as officers who do things right).

1-There are clearly bad cops out there2-Anytime a 'good cop' has an interaction with a 'bad cop', they can go along or join them.3-Anytime a 'good cop' does not cross into the dark side of the blue line of a 'bad cop', they loose their job.

Yeah... After reading the HIPPA faq, the government can pretty much get at anything they want, whenever they want, for whatever reason, citizen.

That's nice.

To respond to an administrative request, such as an administrative subpoena or investigative demand or other written request from a law enforcement official. Because an administrative request may be made without judicial involvement, the Rule requires all administrative requests to include or be accompanied by a written statement that the information requested is relevant and material, specific and limited in scope, and de-identified information cannot be used (45 CFR 164.512(f)(1)(ii)(C)).

Callous:Daedalus27: StrikitRich: edmo: LAPD will lose this one. If they don't they'll soon be able to seize all your lawyer's materials too.

LAPD?

So, does this seizure violate HIPAA?

I wouldn't think so as her mental and physical status may have a bearing on the "criminal behavior" of the suspect as well as any injuries she suffered in the incident would have a bearing on the charges potentially filed against the officer. Her physical and mental state have a bearing on both of the individuals who may be charged so the investigating officers need that information to present the evidence to the DA to see if charges will be pursued against anyone involved.

So if someone is suffering from some physical or mental malady it's okay for the police to beat the living cap out of them?

You miss the part where she was a pedestrian? Clearly, she didn't have enough money to have rights...

TheMega:Callous: Daedalus27: StrikitRich: edmo: LAPD will lose this one. If they don't they'll soon be able to seize all your lawyer's materials too.

LAPD?

So, does this seizure violate HIPAA?

I wouldn't think so as her mental and physical status may have a bearing on the "criminal behavior" of the suspect as well as any injuries she suffered in the incident would have a bearing on the charges potentially filed against the officer. Her physical and mental state have a bearing on both of the individuals who may be charged so the investigating officers need that information to present the evidence to the DA to see if charges will be pursued against anyone involved.

So if someone is suffering from some physical or mental malady it's okay for the police to beat the living cap out of them?

I don't see what possible relevance her medical conditions could have to the investigation. Her conduct immediately before the beating, yes. Her confidential statements to doctors afterwards, while suffering traumatic head injury, not so much.

Help me out here, I don't even qualify as an armchair Fark law-talkin-guy. What relevance is anything that might be obtain through a search warrant executed on the victim except to attempt to find SOME way to rationalize a law enforcement officer pinning then punching said victim? Is straddling and punching anyone EVER considered appropriate procedure for law enforcement? How does the lady's medical records play into determining if protocol was followed? If someone is sufficiently crazy, is it ok to punch them in the face?

iheartscotch:I don't know what the deal is. If they had a legit warrant; a judge had to approve it. Shouldn't we be upset with the judge that approved the warrant; not the agency that executed the warrant?

/ that is assuming that the warrant was on the level

// the police don't just write up warrants that don't get approved by a judge

Under the Defense Authorization acts, they can get search warrants after the search has already been done.

I hope like hell the warrant was a heck of a lot more specific than "property or things that are evidence that tend to show that a felony has been committed or tends to show that a particular person has committed a felony." That is so vague it's giving the cops free range to do whatever the hell they want in a giant fishing expedition.

Doubleodoug:Help me out here, I don't even qualify as an armchair Fark law-talkin-guy. What relevance is anything that might be obtain through a search warrant executed on the victim except to attempt to find SOME way to rationalize a law enforcement officer pinning then punching said victim? Is straddling and punching anyone EVER considered appropriate procedure for law enforcement? How does the lady's medical records play into determining if protocol was followed? If someone is sufficiently crazy, is it ok to punch them in the face?

Prior to them seizing her records there was absolutely no relevancy. The relevance now has to do with private and possibly embarrassing medical information about her "accidently" leaking to the public should she decide to pursuit any legal action against the department or the officer.

Is this the woman who was "lost in the system" for five days so the relatives couldn't visit her in the hospital, since the mysteriously her name kept getting changed by the police. Kudos. Great tactic.

But she had it coming and I'm sure those records will show just what a nut job parasite she is. She thought she was entitled to walk on that interstate and ignore a cop when she broke the law and then fight him. And not just once, she came back and the edited tiny blip of video shows the last part of a cop dealing with living garbage who thinks they are above all laws.

Her frivolous law suits need to be tossed and obviously she needs that turd filled melon she calls a head hit several more times. Stupid broad. ACLU could use a mass boot to the head also.

If that is the justification for the warrant it won't hold up in court. But more likely it is to invade her privacy to have her drop suit. They dont want a court hearing.

---------------------------------------// It is likely her injuries are far more serious than anyone wants to talk about [could cause a riot].Thats why a warrant is needed, -before- she dies of those injuries.

She may not be able to think or speak very well, semi comatose, has severe brain injuries, likely bedridden for life.

The medical bill is already past a million bucks.Thats a lot of money for Ca. to pay out for a man's indulgence in hate or 'roid rage.

51 yrs old woman vs armored young cop, who probably weighs 2x what she does, trained to deliver crippling blows, takes steroids, works out, etc.Those punches were the kind you'd use on a steer, or a bear.Did he use brass knucks? Leaded gloves?

He could have tucked her under one arm and carried her away from the road!

I think a felony was committed, by the officer.Quite a few others think so too.

AndreMA:I don't see what possible relevance her medical conditions could have to the investigation. Her conduct immediately before the beating, yes. Her confidential statements to doctors afterwards, while suffering traumatic head injury, not so much.

I wonder if she was all over the place during her arrest. Like screaming, kicking, biting. So much so, that they want her medical records just to see what the hell is wrong with her. After all what would make a person wander around in the middle of an L.A. highway? Not on the shoulder but crossing lanes like she walking through a park.