(They go through EVERYTHING: the characters, the villain, Themes and Motifs, Diversity and Representation, Marketing, Politics, Ethics and Aesthetics and The Discourse Problem. If you want to know what I think, just read those posts.)

Alternatively, here is the shorter version, as propergoffick put it here (spoilers in post!):

'And you get this Doctor who you know in your soul votes Lib Dem, recycles, and gets properly annoyed about what Nigel Farage said in the paper the other day, but doesn't do anything about huge systemic problems. She fixes the very specific problem in front of her and leaves well alone. J. K. Rowling in space and time.'

ETA: I *want* Thirteen to be wonderful and amazing and her companions to have fabulous depth and for there to be story-arcs and something to sink my teeth into. But there isn't.

In other news, I have almost finished S22 and may write up some thoughts on that! Six is my darling and I luff him to pieces. ♥

I got very little Six viewing into my Twitch marathon - The Mark of the Rani was the only one I was able to watch in full, though I did watch enough of The Two Doctors to get my Season 6B foundations (important for a Jamie fan). But I love his Big Finish audios, so I'm definitely going to return to the TV era. And just got to love someone who dresses in ALL THE COLOURS. (I need to make room for the Six icon I've got saved...)

Re: Thirteen era, I'm so mixed because on the other hand I enjoy the characters and enjoyed most of the episodes and I love what the actors do, and I was super hopeful early on and willing to forgive some flaws; but when I look at the season on a whole, it is disappointing, because you just don't get the sense that the Doctor is doing anything or that she stands for anything, and the lack of character development for Yaz is frustrating, and I just want something more powerful. I want more of the Doctor who forged her own sonic screwdriver out of scraps, but instead we just get the one who told Karl off for tripping up Tim Shaw. And the finale was so underwhelming. I don't need the universe to be in danger in every finale, and I'm fine with not needing several rewatches and a spreadsheet to keep track of what went on in the season, but I would still like more than I got. The episode just didn't do anything, and even forgot to follow through with its interesting elements.

I still felt good while watching the episode and after it. But literally minutes after I'd watched it, I was buying Classic Who DVDs online, and not thinking about the episode anymore. That's not how it's supposed to go.

One of the podcasts I listen to - I think Verity! - summed it up well by saying that S11 was playing too safe. And that it feels like it's got training wheels on.

See I remember S5 having no LGBT characters. Someone pointed this out to Moffat, who was very unhappy that he hadn't even realised and then promptly introduced a lot of gay characters in S6. So that's a showrunner who had a blind spot (hi unconscious privilege) and then set out to fix it. Whereas apparently they talked up the presentation ahead of S11? So they weren't unaware, they just... didn't do much. :(

Strictly speaking, S5 had River Song, who is pan. But that wasn't very firmly established at the time; it was mostly hints in the library episodes and creator's opinion. It took until "The Husbands of River Song" before we had explicit onscreen confirmation of the fact.

And you could take that as a sign of creator growth, too, I guess; Moffat learned that you can't just headcanon a character to be bi or pan or whatever, you have to make sure that someone else knows.

I do wonder if Chibnall intended Yaz to be bi, but we know so little about her that it's impossible to tell.

And you could take that as a sign of creator growth, too, I guess; Moffat learned that you can't just headcanon a character to be bi or pan or whatever, you have to make sure that someone else knows.This, but also the fact that he hadn't noticed - it wasn't an active thing, we are just not able to see our own blind spots. He quite simply wasn't thinking of whether he had gay characters or not. The important part of course being that he then self-corrected. Ditto with Bill - I recall him talking about deliberately wanting to cast a black companion, because he had previously presumed that if you just had normal auditions, you would automatically get an 'average' range of ppl, reflecting the population, and realised that that isn't the case, so became pro-active in casting someone not-white.

The moral of the story of course being: Put more minorities in positions of power, cause they don't need to learn these things.

I do wonder if Chibnall intended Yaz to be bi, but we know so little about her that it's impossible to tell.There is a single line from her mother and... nothing else. :(

What I hope will happen is that Graham & Ryan leave and we get a season of Thirteen & Yaz, and then HOPEFULLY we will get something deeper. And not just because Yaz is obviously the Doctor's 'favourite' - I am thinking specifically of the scene in It Takes You Away where she is talking to Yaz and trying to work out what's going on, and it fits the Doctor's general pattern: The Doctor prefers companions who are young women. That's her type, and always has been. Which is fine, but we need a spot-light on that, and something more interesting. (Three companions is too many.)

I got very little Six viewing into my Twitch marathon - The Mark of the Rani was the only one I was able to watch in full, though I did watch enough of The Two Doctors to get my Season 6B foundations (important for a Jamie fan).Mark of the Rani is fab, and Jamie! <333 Good choices.

But I love his Big Finish audios, so I'm definitely going to return to the TV era.I am loving his TV stories so much I am seriously considering looking up his Big Finish stuff. (And I am not a fan of audios.) Glad to hear they're great.

Re: Thirteen era, I'm so mixed because on the other hand I enjoy the characters and enjoyed most of the episodes and I love what the actors do, and I was super hopeful early on and willing to forgive some flawsAll of this. I was so ready to love it.

I want more of the Doctor who forged her own sonic screwdriver out of scraps, but instead we just get the one who told Karl off for tripping up Tim Shaw. This is sadly a very accurate summary. :(

I still felt good while watching the episode and after it. Me too!

But literally minutes after I'd watched it, I was buying Classic Who DVDs online, and not thinking about the episode anymore. That's not how it's supposed to go.LOL. I resemble that remark! (I was keen to get back to watch Six...)

One of the podcasts I listen to - I think Verity! - summed it up well by saying that S11 was playing too safe. And that it feels like it's got training wheels on.*points to icon* Doctor Who should not be safe.

But literally minutes after I'd watched it, I was buying Classic Who DVDs online, and not thinking about the episode anymore.

Yeah, I have to admit, after that my son and I realised we really wanted to watch some *real* DW so we continued with our S4 rewatch and hell, even the Sontaran two-parter, which I've never rated particularly highly, felt amazing after this, and the Library two-parter felt incredible! I know I've criticised both RTD and Moffatt for plot holes and over-dramatising things, but hell, at least they gave me something to get excited about!

I know I've criticised both RTD and Moffatt for plot holes and over-dramatising things, but hell, at least they gave me something to get excited about!This. Emotions are good! :D Even if they're anger.