What the fark do passengers and pedestrians under 21 have to do with underage drinking and driving? Way to pad those numbers.

"Alcohol related" means ANYONE involved in the accident... whether it was the driver or not.

Example: If a sober person ran over a pedestrian, and the pedestrian had ANY alcohol in their system (hospital checks for alcohol, etc before pumping you full of drugs) it is considered an "alcohol related" accident.

This is true. I work with crash data, and we have these problems all the time. It can get really confusing when you're reporting numbers like this. Actually, it usually depends on how the police officer filled out the crash report. Sometimes for alcohol related crashes, the officer doesn't even code who was drinking, so you can't separate out the pedestrians or bicyclists who were drinking when the driver was sober.

It's just a way to pad the numbers. If you hear "alcohol related", you assume it was a drunk driver.

travisl:So, according to the article, 10% of DUI deaths were South Carolinians under 21. Wolfram Alpha says that 23.7% of South Carolinians are 17 or younger. Clearly, we need to get more kids drunk to bring their numbers in line with expectations.

I love how statistically jaded Fark is. If middle aged news writers were to read our threads their heads would explode.

The clear solution to underage drinking and driving would be lock-ins. Everyone will be under 18, drinking just crap beer, and can't get out 'til daylight and sobriety. A few hangovers like that and maybe they'll learn what it's like to be drunk rather than getting shiatfaced with a 20 mile drive home.

untaken_name:Hey, you know what always works when d-bag kids are laughing at something they shouldn't be laughing at? Telling them it's not funny.

Instead of soberly reflecting on their actions, and calmly and rationally changing their behavior, they're just going to laugh more. Is that mature? Of course not. Neither are children.

Chances are that most of them have no behavior to change. The ones that don't drink and the ones that don't drive drunk have nothing to change. That eliminates a good 95% of the student body. Now, the chances that the content is actually relevant and perhaps capable of reaching that 5% is slim to none. Chances are the entire student body gets to sit through a moralizing, condescending, deceptive, and/or overly simplistic lecture and we wonder why some act out.

TomD9938:TFA was sort of vague on what was said that caused her to leave, so I'm just going to assume someone shouted out, "Show us your tits!".

I'd prefer they wheel out the broken bodied texting while driving kids for these assemblies though, having been nearly killed by one myself last year.

"I was a Prom-Queen and on the varsity volleyball team and now I shiat in a bag because I just had to get out one more 'OMG LOL!'".

That'd hit home coming from someone their own age.

Thirty year olds are considered ancient by high-schoolers after all.

I doubt it. Teenagers are immortal.

You give me 100 young men 13-17 for paintball. You camp a sizable number of marines out there in the woods. I'll tell them they have a 1/4 chance of survival, but here's the marines' camp on the map. Every single one of those boys will know he's the 1/4. None of them will get a shot off before a marine painball hits 'em in the chest.

jj325:When I was in high school (late 70's) they bussed all of us kids to an auditorium to listen to David Toma talk about the dangers of drugs. A lot of catcalls and mocking--drugs were pretty popular back before all the Just Say No crap. But the guy didn't walk off in tears or anything. Guess kids are pretty much the same now/Don't remember much except that we got early dismissal that day and it was nice out//Bunch of us went to the park and took acid

They brought Toma to my high school in the 1980s. We weren't rude, but we weren't exactly paying attention, either.

The worst thing I was forced to attend was sensitivity training during undergrad. I was in a campus group, and some people got their undies in a knot over what a small group of people were doing. I wasn't one of them, but was forced to attend anyway.

I started asking them why I was being punished for something I didn't do. They insisted that it wasn't a punishment. I then asked why it was mandatory for someone who wasn't responsible.

That ended up derailing the entire meeting. Others chipped in and we had them on the defensive for the next three hours. They only presented about 10% of what they wanted to because we kept questioning them.

One of the presenters got a little weepy at the end because "no progress" had been made.

Oh, my favorite part was when they tried to segregate everyone by race to point out various sensitive things. One guy who had a white mother and a black father kept switching back and forth between the white and black groupings, pretending to be serious. Hysterical and the presenters had no idea how to handle it.

doglover:You give me 100 young men 13-17 for paintball. You camp a sizable number of marines out there in the woods. I'll tell them they have a 1/4 chance of survival, but here's the marines' camp on the map. Every single one of those boys will know he's the 1/4. None of them will get a shot off before a marine painball hits 'em in the chest.

I suppose thats why the young get sent to combat. That and good knees.

Your scenario reminds me of an afternoon of paintball in the woods that a coworker and myself organized in the mid/late eighties.

Me and my teenaged buddies vs. him and his late 30s early 40s buds (about half who had been in combat themselves).

It was pretty much a turkey shoot and us young-uns scurried home with our tails between our legs.

we always got this John Godard windbag who supposedly created "bucket lists" Link, & the keyboardist from Wham!-who had great stories BTW. My school was supposedly were rude on a fieldtrip to Mitt Romney's alma mater(the school Eminem outs the badguy in "8 Mile" for attending). I wrote the apology letter but never witnessed ANY of the crimes we were accused of, I think we got a badrap

pedrop357:Maybe the 90+% of teens who DON'T drink and driver are sick of hearing sob stories, condescending lectures, and/or simplistic moralizing from any idiot the school district can get to come and talk.

I'm an adult who doesn't drive drunk and I'm sick of hearing/seeing the messages and it's not nearly as condescending, trite, simplistic, or unrealistic as that aimed at teens.

When a significant number simply don't drink, and the vast majority of those who do drink do not drive drunk, you're bound to test the limits of how much insulting time wasting lectures they're willing to take.

Put yourself in their shoes. How many assemblies like this would all of us as adults put up with? How many times would your job have to bring you to a meeting/assembly of the kind schools do before you stopped paying attention or even engaged in a little taunting? Granted, adults would be a little more tactful, but anyone paying attention would realize that the vast majority are sick of this kind of meeting and showing it to the presenter.

You're right. I've worked in this business, and it is a business. Basically, schools budget money or get grants for bullying, substance abuse, etc., prevention, and then the a-hole idiot administrators don't know what to do with it, so they find some profiteering motivational speakers or educational "not-for-profit" companies to come in and bore their kids to deat, most often in large "assembly" programs. In my opinion the most valuable thing that the kids get out of it is that they learn to behave, sit still, and shut their mouths when they are in a large group of people. At least it gets the kids out of math class.

TomD9938:doglover: You give me 100 young men 13-17 for paintball. You camp a sizable number of marines out there in the woods. I'll tell them they have a 1/4 chance of survival, but here's the marines' camp on the map. Every single one of those boys will know he's the 1/4. None of them will get a shot off before a marine painball hits 'em in the chest.

I suppose thats why the young get sent to combat. That and good knees.

Your scenario reminds me of an afternoon of paintball in the woods that a coworker and myself organized in the mid/late eighties.

Me and my teenaged buddies vs. him and his late 30s early 40s buds (about half who had been in combat themselves).

It was pretty much a turkey shoot and us young-uns scurried home with our tails between our legs.

That sounds awesome.

But yeah, the biggest reason we send young boys instead of older men into combat, aside from health issues, is because they're easy to amp up. There's old soldiers and bold soldiers.

I got an "OUIL" in the late 90's in Michigan. I was 19, it was about 4:00am and foggy as I have ever seen, my vehicle was parked, my blood alcohol level was 0.02 (thats a DUI for anybody under 21) and some stupid fat biatch barreled into it at around 50 mph and farked up her knees, as well as totaling both of our vehicles. She sued my parents for $60,000. SO fark ALL OF YOU MADD MOTHERfarkERS, DIAF!!!! I'm glad your families died because you pieces of shiat deserve it .

pedrop357:untaken_name: Hey, you know what always works when d-bag kids are laughing at something they shouldn't be laughing at? Telling them it's not funny.

Instead of soberly reflecting on their actions, and calmly and rationally changing their behavior, they're just going to laugh more. Is that mature? Of course not. Neither are children.

Chances are that most of them have no behavior to change. The ones that don't drink and the ones that don't drive drunk have nothing to change. That eliminates a good 95% of the student body. Now, the chances that the content is actually relevant and perhaps capable of reaching that 5% is slim to none. Chances are the entire student body gets to sit through a moralizing, condescending, deceptive, and/or overly simplistic lecture and we wonder why some act out.

thisisarepeat:I got an "OUIL" in the late 90's in Michigan.I was 19, it was about 4:00am and foggy as I have ever seen, my vehicle was parked, my blood alcohol level was 0.02 (thats a DUI for anybody under 21) and some stupid fat biatch barreled into it at around 50 mph and farked up her knees, as well as totaling both of our vehicles. She sued my parents for $60,000. SO fark ALL OF YOU MADD MOTHERfarkERS, DIAF!!!! I'm glad your families died because you pieces of shiat deserve it .

So you were underaged, drinking when you knew the law, and got into an accident?

And you're glad innocent people have died because you made a stupid decision?

RedPhoenix122:AirForceVet: I hate to tell you, fellow Farkers and Farkettes, but drunk drivers on the road is a serious problem. Pretty cool she goes around telling kids not to fark up like I did.

Got a DUI in 2000 myself. The expense was bad enough but I was shocked, yes, SHOCKED, when I went through the mandatory safety classes.

Besides having to pay for them up front, we had one dude show up the first night hammered. He blew 0.32 as we are all breathalyzed when we come in. The scary part was that he was pretty much walking and talking normally. They tossed him out along with any late comers as it was like basic training mode there.

Then I had to attend a victims impact panel in the county courthouse where people who were involved in horrific DUI crashes tell their stories of injuries and dead family from drunk drivers. That night, they didn't breathalyze us but they should have. The asshat next to me smelled like a distillery.

Really, don't drink and drive. It's not worth the hassles and heartache one could cause.

My brother-in-law got a DUI, screwed up his delivery job, and he can't start his car without blowing into it. It's pretty faulty, and if it screws up, even if he is sober, automatic fine.

thisisarepeat:I got an "OUIL" in the late 90's in Michigan. I was 19, it was about 4:00am and foggy as I have ever seen, my vehicle was parked, my blood alcohol level was 0.02 (thats a DUI for anybody under 21) and some stupid fat biatch barreled into it at around 50 mph and farked up her knees, as well as totaling both of our vehicles. She sued my parents for $60,000. SO fark ALL OF YOU MADD MOTHERfarkERS, DIAF!!!! I'm glad your families died because you pieces of shiat deserve it .

So you parked in the middle of the highway on a foggy night, and then blamed the woman who hit you while having the audacity to DRIVE ON THE ROAD.

Classic alcoholic logic. "Sure I was drinking, Sure I may have had... 30 to many, but that's only 1 case! I can drink like.... 90 beers before I'm drunk. That woman that hit me when passed out in the road was such an asshole. Trying to drive where I had passed the fark out"

fluffy2097:thisisarepeat: I got an "OUIL" in the late 90's in Michigan. I was 19, it was about 4:00am and foggy as I have ever seen, my vehicle was parked, my blood alcohol level was 0.02 (thats a DUI for anybody under 21) and some stupid fat biatch barreled into it at around 50 mph and farked up her knees, as well as totaling both of our vehicles. She sued my parents for $60,000. SO fark ALL OF YOU MADD MOTHERfarkERS, DIAF!!!! I'm glad your families died because you pieces of shiat deserve it .

So you parked in the middle of the highway on a foggy night, and then blamed the woman who hit you while having the audacity to DRIVE ON THE ROAD.

Classic alcoholic logic. "Sure I was drinking, Sure I may have had... 30 to many, but that's only 1 case! I can drink like.... 90 beers before I'm drunk. That woman that hit me when passed out in the road was such an asshole. Trying to drive where I had passed the fark out"

His BAC was .02 for cripes sakes. Unless you think he's lying about that, you're full or shiat.

/DUIs for lower BACs for underage drivers are complete bullshiat. A 22 year old cant drive any better with a BAC of .06 than a 20 year old can.

LincolnLogolas:aevert: When I was in fifth grade we had some aerobic dance instructor come in and teach us all a bunch of dances. One thing she taught us was the Macarena. Right at the peak of the Macarena craze. After she gets through all the steps we stared booing her, but at least she had the composure to remain on stage.

Later we all had to write her an apology note.

I was out of school for a month, having appendicitis. Apparently, while I was gone, the school had Miss California come in as a motivational speaker. I guess she, at one point, had her dress pulled up by a group of students that mobbed her. Everyone in the school had to write a letter of apology to her. I had to complain to the dean that I shouldn't have to write it, on account of the fact that I wasn't even there.

My mother was killed by a drunk driver back when I was just 16 years old. He was so drunk he made a 13 year old girl drive him to get more beer; on the way to the store, the girl ran off the road (it was unpaved and rough, with only a 1-2' shoulder). She panicked and hit the gas and the car powered out of the ditch and right into my mom's car. The drunk ran from the scene with the girl, leaving my mom there. I never found out who the drunk was, or the girl for that matter; I assume he was charged with something but I don't even know if that happened to him.

quickdraw:titwrench: quickdraw: titwrench: She is supposedly a professional speaker and she got rattled by a high school kid? She needs a new job.

She didn't cry and she wasn't rattled she just refused to continue in the face of blatant disrespect. More people should do that imo.

If she walked off the stage before she was finished she was rattled and not being professional. It's fine if she doesn't want to waste any more of her time, that's her choice but she sure as hell better not expect to get paid.

The school isn't paying her. But in any event there is no reason for her to continue if she is being heckled. You don't have to put up with disrespect - even if you are being paid to be there. Novel concept for some of you I guess. But trolls are a pain in the ass and often just not worth the hassle of being around.

Does a prostitute have to take disrespect? Because I am having a really hardtime distinguishing between this person who made a bad choice, and then decided to make money from that bad choice, and a prostitute.

WOW. Been out of high school for 37 years, and nothing has changed. No one has learned anything. People still drive drunk and kill people and kids are still undisciplined assholes. No one will take responsibility to bring them up right so they have no personal responsibility ingrained in them. So they drink and drive. It's the circle of death.No sense changing things now, what with how that's working out for our economy and all.Seems like only yesterday, but it's been almost 40 years.Back then, when a kid wrecked their car, they parked the bloody scrap heap on the lawn of the school for an entire week, or month. A momument to "Watch your asses, you snot nosed shaits. This can and will happen to you, if you don't"Not today's kids, nope, they bubble wrap them all the way to combat. Then, they are on their own. Nice parenting. Nice citizenship in the nation, folks. Just keep pumping those crotch trophies out and bein' proud. You made a babby miracle, and that makes you a god.

vudukungfu:WOW. Been out of high school for 37 years, and nothing has changed. No one has learned anything. People still drive drunk and kill people and kids are still undisciplined assholes. No one will take responsibility to bring them up right so they have no personal responsibility ingrained in them. So they drink and drive. It's the circle of death.No sense changing things now, what with how that's working out for our economy and all.Seems like only yesterday, but it's been almost 40 years.Back then, when a kid wrecked their car, they parked the bloody scrap heap on the lawn of the school for an entire week, or month. A momument to "Watch your asses, you snot nosed shaits. This can and will happen to you, if you don't"Not today's kids, nope, they bubble wrap them all the way to combat. Then, they are on their own. Nice parenting. Nice citizenship in the nation, folks. Just keep pumping those crotch trophies out and bein' proud. You made a babby miracle, and that makes you a god.

I blame the baby boomers. More specifically, the parents of baby boomers.

For us, we had the whole DARE program in elementary school, and in high school it was all about abstinence. We had to have had 3 or 4 'rallies' in one school year alone, as if we didn't get the message last time.

And is it me, or do a lot of the presenters for anti-drugs/sex/drinking/whatever come off as downright creepy? Not just average creepy, but I remember one who struck me as tea-party-of-corpses-in-the-basement creepy.

/got 'nominated' to represent the school at a statewide abstinence convention//slashies of shame

At my high school, the only motivational speaker we ever had was Montel Williams, giving a speech called, "Mountain, Get Out of My Way!" This was in 1990 or 91, not sure if he was "famous" yet then. He spent most of the time chanting the title of the speech and calling the popular minority students down to answer basic math questions, for which he would give them cash.

Bendal:My mother was killed by a drunk driver back when I was just 16 years old. He was so drunk he made a 13 year old girl drive him to get more beer; on the way to the store, the girl ran off the road (it was unpaved and rough, with only a 1-2' shoulder). She panicked and hit the gas and the car powered out of the ditch and right into my mom's car. The drunk ran from the scene with the girl, leaving my mom there. I never found out who the drunk was, or the girl for that matter; I assume he was charged with something but I don't even know if that happened to him.

AirForceVet:I hate to tell you, fellow Farkers and Farkettes, but drunk drivers on the road is a serious problem. Pretty cool she goes around telling kids not to fark up like I did.

Got a DUI in 2000 myself. The expense was bad enough but I was shocked, yes, SHOCKED, when I went through the mandatory safety classes.

Besides having to pay for them up front, we had one dude show up the first night hammered. He blew 0.32 as we are all breathalyzed when we come in. The scary part was that he was pretty much walking and talking normally. They tossed him out along with any late comers as it was like basic training mode there.

Then I had to attend a victims impact panel in the county courthouse where people who were involved in horrific DUI crashes tell their stories of injuries and dead family from drunk drivers. That night, they didn't breathalyze us but they should have. The asshat next to me smelled like a distillery.

Really, don't drink and drive. It's not worth the hassles and heartache one could cause.

My little brother got a DUI right before he turned 21. He didn't have to take classes, but he lost his license for a while and had to have a breathalizer device (I forget what they are called) installed in his car. At his expense. Monthly. On top of that, he was unemployed and assumed that he had received a felony, which he was diligently adding to employment applications...

jj325:When I was in high school (late 70's) they bussed all of us kids to an auditorium to listen to David Toma talk about the dangers of drugs. A lot of catcalls and mocking--drugs were pretty popular back before all the Just Say No crap. But the guy didn't walk off in tears or anything. Guess kids are pretty much the same now/Don't remember much except that we got early dismissal that day and it was nice out//Bunch of us went to the park and took acid

I do have to say, there's nothing more irresponsible and awesome than attending an anti-drug rally while baked out of your tree.

/weed in my case//wish it was ether to I could tie in a FALILV quote better

RedPhoenix122:AirForceVet: I hate to tell you, fellow Farkers and Farkettes, but drunk drivers on the road is a serious problem. Pretty cool she goes around telling kids not to fark up like I did.

Got a DUI in 2000 myself. The expense was bad enough but I was shocked, yes, SHOCKED, when I went through the mandatory safety classes.

Besides having to pay for them up front, we had one dude show up the first night hammered. He blew 0.32 as we are all breathalyzed when we come in. The scary part was that he was pretty much walking and talking normally. They tossed him out along with any late comers as it was like basic training mode there.

Then I had to attend a victims impact panel in the county courthouse where people who were involved in horrific DUI crashes tell their stories of injuries and dead family from drunk drivers. That night, they didn't breathalyze us but they should have. The asshat next to me smelled like a distillery.

Really, don't drink and drive. It's not worth the hassles and heartache one could cause.

My brother-in-law got a DUI, screwed up his delivery job, and he can't start his car without blowing into it. It's pretty faulty, and if it screws up, even if he is sober, automatic fine.

Automatic fine? Really? I'd say that whatever state you're in, unless it's some redneck shiathole (and you know which states I'm talking about) where they'd rather execute you but then the governor would have to end up pardoning himself, your BiL might have the makings of a fine lawsuit.

I got a DUI not too long ago, and had the BAIID (blood-alcohol ignition interlock device) installed in my car. I took my last drink the day before it went in, and haven't had one since, but every now and then I'd be driving, having already blown clean when I started up the car, and get the little beep telling me to blow while I was driving... and I'd fail, sometimes with it showing me over the legal limit. So, I'd wait a minute or two, and retest, and come up clean, of course, but then after I'd had the data downloaded from the BAIID and sent to the state office, I'd get a roboletter back from them demanding an explanation, and I'd write the same letter back to them that I'd already written before, pointing out that, according to their own data, I'd blown clean both when I'd started the car and a minute or two later, making it pretty much impossible that I'd been drinking (unless I'd had a passenger blow for me, in which case why wouldn't I have had them blow for all the tests?). And a few days later, I'd get a letter back from them saying that they accepted my explanation.

Now, think about that for a bit. They have a device that is supposed to be the equivalent of what the cops use, and yet they accept at face value my explanation that it recorded someone who was stone cold sober as being drunk as a skunk. Maybe none of them are that reliable, eh? Maybe it's just another scam that makes money for the state and the approved vendors who are probably generous contributors to certain political campaigns, ya think? When I was finally sentenced, I was given the choice of 240 hours of community service and a year with the ankle bracelet, or a month of work release. I've already experienced the unreliability of the BAIID, and I'm supposed to pay thousands of dollars for something that (by some of the posts I've seen about it here and there) isn't any more reliable, and that could mistakenly fail me and possibly send me to jail 11 months in? Or it's just like the BAIID where they'll take any excuse, in which case what's the reason for having it at all, aside from the SCRAM company making tall coin? I took work release, which was not that bad; the worst part about it was the shiatty jail food.

And keep in mind that I accept that I drank and drove (not by any means universal among my fellow offenders), and I'm better off not drinking, and don't want drunk drivers on the road any more than anyone else. But the so-called "treatment" options are mostly bullshiat. The court makes money, the monitoring devices companies make money, your attorney makes a lot of money for very little work (unless you're lucky and you get someone who is willing to work for it; I didn't), the counselors who are approved for your mandatory counseling make a lot of money. The only thing that will keep you from reoffending is your deciding that it's not worth risking getting the escalating punishments and fines for subsequent offenses for your beers or your Singapore Slings or whatever; regardless, everyone else gets paid.

On a lighter note, google Long Jeanne Silver sometime [very NSFW]. There's someone who used her leg amputation to make a lot of people very happy, particularly some of her female co-stars, if you catch my drift.

It's their farking useless parents who shouldn't have ever had kids that is the problem. Showered with praise for being mediocre your entire life and taught that you can do no wrong will ensure you develop zero integrity and respect for you fellow human beings. These little farkers are cockroaches.