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Zonk
on Tuesday March 20, 2007 @12:58PM
from the forgive-the-hyperbole dept.

Runefox wrote to point out that the boys at Penny Arcade have passed around the first trailer for their upcoming episodic PC game. Kotaku is link/hosting a flash version of the trailer, and a high quality one is on GameTrailers. As Runefox says: "While almost all can agree that the graphics, as they are now, will give small children nightmares, so, too, can most everyone agree that the Fruit F***ker is simply awesome." Earlier this week Gabe put up a post with more information on the game, and owns up to maybe having put out the trailer 'too soon'. "We were worried though that people might think this was going to be a 2D game if that's all they saw. So we decided at the last minute to attach some of the 3D work we've got. It's extremely early and it's missing some effects like cell shading and a few others.In retrospect we probably should have held of showing it but we were excited and we jumped the gun a bit. We still have a lot of work to do in order to really define the look of the game." The best tidbit: You'll be able to make your own PA-style character to fight alongside the boys. Good form.

As a disclaimer I am a PA fanboy. But how you got that there is nothing worth buying from that trailer, I have no idea. It was just a few clips of character animations, no gameplay at all.

Gabe has stated the game will be adventure/RPGish. You'll be playing the role of an original character that you create at the start of the game. During the adventure you'll be joined by the various cast of PA.

As a disclaimer I am a PA fanboy. But how you got that there is nothing worth buying from that trailer, I have no idea. It was just a few clips of character animations, no gameplay at all.

I don't know. Maybe that's exactly why he feels there is nothing worth buying. I like PA, but games made from comics, cartoons, and movies have a bad track record. PA does get overly self indulgent at times (Cardboard Tube Samurai), and that title does not inspire confidence that the game will feature the quick wit of most

"I think it could be good, but I also think it could be awful. I haven't seen anything good yet."

Exactly.

I have faith that the game will be good, but there isn't any scientific evidence to back this up yet, just the fact that I like PA. But fortunately, like any game, such faith doesn't cost any money and reviews will be out once the game becomes available.

PA does get overly self indulgent at times (Cardboard Tube Samurai), and that title does not inspire confidence that the game will feature the quick wit of most comics rather than the self-importance of the news posts.

The title of the game is "On the Rain-Slick Precipice of Darkness", I don't see what's so self important about that.

Yeah, nothing sounds more exciting than playing a couple of gamer dorks who live together in their 30s in an RPG. The only thing I can imagine coming even close would be a Pogo sidescroller or a Calvin & Hobbes RTS.

I'm fairly certain that neither the Tycho/Gabe nor the Mike/Jerry duos live together or have for a quite a while. All four people are married. Besides, we wouldn't be playing gamer dorks. We'd be playing someone else. They would be film noir style characters anyway. Not actual Tycho and Gabe.

I have known about this game as soon as it was announced, but I still have no idea what platforms it will be available on. Based purely on that lack of info, I would guess that it's only playable on a PC.

Tigh (giving a briefing to the Viper pilots): Gentlemen, we have indications that a Cylon Ace is operating in this area. You all probably know him as the Fruit Fracker.
Random Pilot: Why is he called Fruit Fracker?
Tigh: Well, lets just say that sometimes you pop the toaster, and sometimes the toaster pops you.

Actually, I rather like the artistic style of the game. The environment seems a mix of Sam'n'Max crossed with Zelda. Cartoony, but well drawn and believable while not trying to push the "realism" button too much (like many games do nowadays).

Of course that says nothing of the gameplay or plot, but I'll keep an eye on this one to see what the reviews say about that.

Well in the Penny Arcade post he makes the comment that perhaps they shouldn't have showed the 3D levels because cell shading hasn't been added yet. IMHO this is the correct way to do a comic or cartoon game. The Futurama game definately should have been cell shaded, the drawn out characters looked kind of wierd in 3D. I bet once they get the levels all together it's going to be real cool.

It's very interesting to see Penny Arcade on the "other side of the fence", so to speak... on the side of being a game developer, rather than just talking about them. You can definitely see this influencing some of their comments and blogs, for example their recent article on the controversial Denis Dyack / Too Human podcast [penny-arcade.com]. Dyack was on the EGM show lambasting one of the writers for calling last year's E3 demo "terrible". While he sounded quite insane and childish at times ("I'm telling you my game is awesome, you just have to believe me!"), he did make some interesting points regarding the state of media/press in the industry, especially when it comes to the notion of previewing really early builds of games.

At first, I was surprised to PA have such a calm response to Dyack's outburst. Other bloggers have said rather unpolite words to Dyack. But it makes sense, particularly because PA was probably in the middle of trying to make a similar decision. Should we show this early trailer of the game, or not? When it's "your baby", it does become quite personal if someone does criticize it really harshly.

It can be especially difficult with something containing a lot of creativity, because so much of those design processes can be iterative, meaning that the first half of the work you do is done only to figure out what you need to do for the second half of the project. Basically, if you don't throw out most of your original ideas, you're either some sort of super genius, or you're making a crappy product.Good ideas often turn out to bad ideas, or lead to better and different ideas. The only way you can flush

Good ideas often turn out to bad ideas, or lead to better and different ideas. The only way you can flush all that out is by trying those ideas and seeing where they go. Showing off that work-in-progress is tough, because there's a good chance that the final product will be very different. And forget about those last few layers of polish that really make your end result good. You don't want to waste time on that until you're really happy with the underlying product.

At the risk of sounding inflamitory, considering how vocal the PA guys are about games that suck, this had better be one of the best adventure games of all time.

After all, you can't have such vocal critics of bad games actually be RESPONSIBLE for a bad game, right?

It's unfortunate that you, and many others, have similar expectations, because I don't think it's correct. Do you expert Ebert [wikipedia.org], the famed movie critic, to be able to make great movies? I hope not. Critiquing and creating are two very different activities, requiring different skillsets. Is it possible to be good at both? Of course, but it's certainly not a given.

You could argue that PA should be able to tell if they do make a bad game, and then decide not to ship it... but I think that's being rather short-sighted. It's one thing to realize that your product may not be so great, and another to actually pull the plug on it (and all the business ramifications thereof). Also, the mere act of being involved in the game's creation makes it impossible to be an objective critic. So PA won't be able to play the role as an unbiased critic, perhaps seeing things with rose-colored glasses when it comes to "their baby".

That said, I give them enormous kudos for going on this venture and wish them the best. But I'm not going to hold them up to the same high standards you guys seem to be. Do I want a game that I have fun with? Sure! But "best adventure game of all time" is a lot to ask for...

I think this is a worthwhile question to consider, not so much in the expectation that critics would make great pieces of work, but in evaluating how much such criticism is actually worth. It's not that unusual for critics to "cross the fence" (Ebert himself wrote Beyond the Valley of the Dolls [imdb.com]) and enjoy no particular acclaim for it.

I think the response "Can you do better?" is a valid one, since so much of (useful) criticism is explaining how it can be done better. Saying "the pacing is bad" and "a thi

While it's not fair, probably, to expect "the greatest... game of all time" from Gabe and Tycho, it's probably fair to expect not to number among its shortcomings things they've criticized before about other games.

Yes, that's a very valid point. I think that's why I still expect a fun game from them, one that I am satisfied with. I don't think that's too tall an order to fill. But something beyond that (ie. something incredibly innovative, or deep, or "best ever"), not so much. (Obviously I'll be pleasantl

It's like that paradox where any person can tell describe to you how a person can look. They can easily spot facsimile, be it CGI or an illustration. However, ask someone to sit down and draw a realistic, physically accurate picture of a person. Anyone who hasn't had formal training or doesn't have an innate talent for drawing won't get it right. Does it make them unqualified to identify a real human?Just because someone is incapable of doing a better job doesn't mean they aren't capable of identifying what

It's important to keep in mind that Gabe and Tycho (Mike and Jerry) are not actually writing a single line of code for the game. They are helping guide the creation of the game, but they really aren't development studio, and as such, they aren't really developing the title.

They are obviously going to have a good deal of input during the process, but to say "let's see how good a game they can make" is a bit silly.

It would be like saying that J.K. Rowling makes crappy movies if you don't like the Har

The two are totally incomparable. Megatokyo hasn't been about games, or primarily focused on humor for how many years now? Not to mention the guy couldn't keep to a regular posting schedule to save his life.

Seriously, I don't care if he doesn't want to post mon/wed/fri, but don't pretend like you are going to, then whine about how much work you have to do when you consistently miss days. It's we'll be in summer by the time he's finished with this 8 page omake he's so excited about, yet seemingly can't

I'm sorry, I get it, I just think it's stupid. You're just going to have to accept that people have different tastes. P.S. If you're using your slashbot account to advertise a product, perhaps you should consider being more politic.

As Gabe and Tycho are often proponents of the 2d / Oldschool style of gaming, I had hoped their game would be 2d or at least pseudo-2d like Paper Mario. The intro looks great, the 3d stuff just doesn't do it for me at all, and it was a big letdown to see that come on screen. It looks like someone through together Penny-Arcade inspired Quake 3 models. Hopefully the end game will look more like the 2d art we've come to love. That said, I'll reserve judgment until it's finished, and buy it either way becau

from their blog yesterday it seems that the models are in early stage and are missing their cell shading. It was also said that they included the 3d in the trailer just so that people wouldn't think it was an entirely 2d game.

I've been a PA reader and a PVPonline reader for a couple of years now. Kurtz dropped his game references long ago, except for his occasional mentioning of WOW. His characters run a gaming mag - yet they never mention games anymore..(?).

Tycho and Gabe still do a lot of game references - but recently, its been console only.. and I was saddened to se no mentioning of the one most acclaimed PC games of recent time ( winning PC game of the year 2006 at Gamespot and doing exceptionally well in most reviews):