The answer is no, that is unless someone out there on the list has been
archiving. We had some debate on this subject almost a year ago, and if I
recall correctly more were for than against. But most list members
abstained through silence.

I personally like the idea of archiving. Archiving a list such as
Aroid-L has many practical benefits. But there are those, and I respect
their rights, who object because of personal privacy issues, and some
even are concerned with issues of copyright.

We have a standing offer from one particular web site to archive
Aroid-L. In fact, I believe the individual who has made the offer will
even agree to making the link invisible so a user can access the archive
only if he/she knows the URL.

Don

Don Burns Plantation, FL USA Zone 10b

From: Lester Kallus <lkallus at earthlink.net> on 1997.09.23 at 17:56:54(1325)I just looked and see that I've been a bit sloppy with my
computer-house-keeping on this end. I've never emptied the Aroid mailbox
on my software here. I'm using Eudora version 3.03 and have Aroid List
messages back to 11/16/96. That's not a tremendous way back, but it might
be enough to help you.

If you wanted to get Eudora, I could email the Aroid file to you. I'm
relatively certain that you wouldn't be able to look at it with any other
software. Furthermore, that wouldn't automatically send attachments
(sometimes aroiders have included JPGs or GIFs with their messages) but
those are still in my attachment folder and could be sent along if you were
interested.

From: Diana Pederson <dlpederson at voyager.net> on 1997.09.23 at 18:26:47(1328)It would be easy to do and it's a free service. All youhave to do is add the
address: lindsey@mallorn.com as a member and the lists will be automatically
archived. I wanted to research some prior information.

> On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, Diana Pederson wrote:
>
> > Is this list archived somewhere so I can do some research on
> > previous posts?
> >
> Diana,
>
> The answer is no, that is unless someone out there on the list has been
> archiving. We had some debate on this subject almost a year ago, and if I
> recall correctly more were for than against. But most list members
> abstained through silence.
>
> I personally like the idea of archiving. Archiving a list such as
> Aroid-L has many practical benefits. But there are those, and I respect
> their rights, who object because of personal privacy issues, and some
> even are concerned with issues of copyright.
>
> We have a standing offer from one particular web site to archive
> Aroid-L. In fact, I believe the individual who has made the offer will
> even agree to making the link invisible so a user can access the archive
> only if he/she knows the URL.
>
> Don
>
> Don Burns Plantation, FL USA Zone 10b

> computer-house-keeping on this end. I've never emptied the Aroid mailbox
> on my software here. I'm using Eudora version 3.03 and have Aroid List
> messages back to 11/16/96. That's not a tremendous way back, but it might
> be enough to help you.
>
> If you wanted to get Eudora, I could email the Aroid file to you. I'm
> relatively certain that you wouldn't be able to look at it with any other
> software. Furthermore, that wouldn't automatically send attachments
> (sometimes aroiders have included JPGs or GIFs with their messages) but
> those are still in my attachment folder and could be sent along if you were
> interested.
>
> Let me know if you want the file. It's 364K in size.
> Les
>
> At 09:38 AM 9/23/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >Is this list archived somewhere so I can do some research on
> >previous posts?
> >
> >--
> >Diana Pederson, Zone 5, Michigan
> >http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/9251/index.html
> >http://www.suite101.com/topics/page.cfm/262
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

From: Lester Kallus <lkallus at earthlink.net> on 1997.09.24 at 08:39:39(1331)No, I've looked at the file and it seems to be a binary file and so cannot
be read without the software that runs it. Perhaps someone else in this
group would know how to do it? As far as I know, you'd not be able to read
it without Eudora and even so, we'd have to find a way to figure out which
associated Eudora files you'd need. I mentioned only because if you find
no other way, it may be worth the effort to figure this out. Does anyone
else in this group have any other ideas?

At 10:01 PM 9/23/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Is there any way to just copy it and send it as an ascii file?
>
>Lester Kallus wrote:
>
>> I just looked and see that I've been a bit sloppy with my
>> computer-house-keeping on this end. I've never emptied the Aroid mailbox
>> on my software here. I'm using Eudora version 3.03 and have Aroid List
>> messages back to 11/16/96. That's not a tremendous way back, but it might
>> be enough to help you.
>>
>> If you wanted to get Eudora, I could email the Aroid file to you. I'm
>> relatively certain that you wouldn't be able to look at it with any other
>> software. Furthermore, that wouldn't automatically send attachments
>> (sometimes aroiders have included JPGs or GIFs with their messages) but
>> those are still in my attachment folder and could be sent along if you were
>> interested.
>>
>> Let me know if you want the file. It's 364K in size.
>> Les
>>
>> At 09:38 AM 9/23/97 -0500, you wrote:
>> >Is this list archived somewhere so I can do some research on
>> >previous posts?
>> >
>> >--
>> >Diana Pederson, Zone 5, Michigan
>> >http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/9251/index.html
>> >http://www.suite101.com/topics/page.cfm/262
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>
>
>
>--
>Diana Pederson, Zone 5, Michigan
>http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/9251/index.html
>http://www.suite101.com/topics/page.cfm/262
>
>
>
>
>

From: JWALL at acpub.duke.edu (Joan F. Wall) on 1997.09.24 at 13:31:27(1339)I save many of my messages into WordPerfect when they are
then available to send out as an attachment to anyone who has
Wordperfect. I that isn't possible they can be imported as a text
copy from WP and put into the main message and then sent.

>No, I've looked at the file and it seems to be a binary file and so cannot
>be read without the software that runs it. Perhaps someone else in this
>group would know how to do it? As far as I know, you'd not be able to read
>it without Eudora and even so, we'd have to find a way to figure out which
>associated Eudora files you'd need. I mentioned only because if you find
>no other way, it may be worth the effort to figure this out. Does anyone
>else in this group have any other ideas?
>

From: Lester Kallus <lkallus at earthlink.net> on 1997.09.25 at 05:43:47(1342)You can't edit/copy a binary file. I'll send you the eudora file though to
see if you can use it. (I'll send that to you directly.)

I might send 1 month at a time to Diane just by forwarding the messages one
at a time at night. Hopefully that won't overburdon her ISP.

I've got enough room on my HD so I'll just keep these files here for
archiving in case the issue ever comes up again.
Les

At 06:59 PM 9/24/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Lester,
>
>Send it here and I'll open it in Eudora. Use Edit Copy to get it on the
>clip-board. Then paste it into Wordperfect or Word. No Problem. My guess
>is you can do that as well.
>
>Ray
>
>
>
>

>Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 13:01:27 -0500
>
> On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, Diana Pederson wrote:
>
> > Is this list archived somewhere so I can do some research on
> > previous posts?
> >
> Diana,
>
> The answer is no, that is unless someone out there on the list has been
> archiving. We had some debate on this subject almost a year ago, and if I
> recall correctly more were for than against. But most list members
> abstained through silence.
>
> I personally like the idea of archiving. Archiving a list such as
> Aroid-L has many practical benefits. But there are those, and I respect
> their rights, who object because of personal privacy issues, and some
> even are concerned with issues of copyright.

I had mentioned this to the group previously (when this subject was
first discussed) that I personally archive all AROID-L postings that
come my way (just as I do other for other lists). In this way I can
be very casual about deleting items since I can find them again if I
wish (keeps the mailbox cleaned out!). If these archives would be
of use to anyone, I'm happy to provide them. They are not in any
form that would be available over the internet, but if someone would
like to do that work, I have the raw material.

Mallorn Computing does archive some lists (I don't recall if AROID-L
is among them) on a Web Page. They keep them in their original
form, stating the author and context in which the postings were
made. There has been a lot of fuss over copyrights, etc. regarding
Mallorn's Site. I do not see that they are 'ripping off' anyone,
and they provide a valuable service to listgroups such as our who
would like easy access to archive data. They currently archive the
Medit-Plants discussion which I started a few years ago, and some
members find it very useful.

If people are very concerned about copyright infringement, then they
should not post to internet discussion groups until such time as the
laws and regulations of this medium become stable (probably a very
long way off). If there are people concerned about privacy, then
the internet is not the place to be (there isn't really any privacy
to speak of, even if there is a perception of privacy).

I generally assume that most of the people I deal with on this
electronic medium are primarily interested in the dissemination of
good information, as I am. This mode of communication is very well
suited to this goal and providing access to archives of lists is
certainly in line such a concept. I have never understood why some
become upset or concerned about this issue - it is only logical that
such access would be of interest and is appropriate for the same
reasons which prompted the creation of a list in the first place.

>>>>I had mentioned this to the group previously (when this subject was
first discussed) that I personally archive all AROID-L postings that
come my way (just as I do other for other lists). In this way I can
be very casual about deleting items since I can find them again if I
wish (keeps the mailbox cleaned out!). If these archives would be
of use to anyone, I'm happy to provide them. They are not in any
form that would be available over the internet, but if someone would

How do you archive your notes so that your mail cabinet is empty? I have
all of my notes from the list, as well as all others, from Feb. up to today,
curently in my cabinet and I think it interferes with the speed my computer
runs at. Does archiving help speed up the computer? Closing down my
'Personal Filing Cabinet' takes quite a while now, as well as signing on to
AOL, because it has to load up the file cabinet when I sign on.

Sue Zunino

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Your message is returned to you unprocessed. If you want to subscribe,
send mail to listproc with the following request:

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> > I personally like the idea of archiving. Archiving a list such as
> > Aroid-L has many practical benefits. But there are those, and I respect
> > their rights, who object because of personal privacy issues, and some
> > even are concerned with issues of copyright.
>
> Mallorn Computing does archive some lists (I don't recall if AROID-L
> is among them) on a Web Page. They keep them in their original
> form, stating the author and context in which the postings were
> made. There has been a lot of fuss over copyrights, etc. regarding
> Mallorn's Site. I do not see that they are 'ripping off' anyone,
> and they provide a valuable service to listgroups such as our who
> would like easy access to archive data. They currently archive the
> Medit-Plants discussion which I started a few years ago, and some
> members find it very useful.

Hi everybody,

When Mallorn first started doing the archives, they were meant for
internal use within the company. Unfortunately, the URL somehow
became public, and many people were upset (and rightfully so).

Because of that mishap, we now only maintain archives for lists
that want to be archived, but I do keep my own personal set for other
lists that I subscribe to.

We would still be happy to archive aroid-l in a web-based format with
a search engine; our overall goal is dissemination of knowledge.
If you'd like to look at some of the lists, visit

http://www.mallorn.com/lists/

> If people are very concerned about copyright infringement, then they
> should not post to internet discussion groups until such time as the
> laws and regulations of this medium become stable (probably a very
> long way off). If there are people concerned about privacy, then
> the internet is not the place to be (there isn't really any privacy
> to speak of, even if there is a perception of privacy).

To some degree this is true. Under current laws, it's illegal to
even READ email (because the computer makes an unauthorized copy
into its memory and then onto the screen). Hopefully all of this
will be ironed out in the near future, although current legislation
seems to be leaning towards the removal of privacy.

Because we recognize that some people are uncomfortable with their
materials being available to a wider, unknown audience, we do allow
users to disallow mail messages from our archives. By adding
special headers or keywords in the message, your posts will NOT
be archived. This is in the FAQ at:

http://www.mallorn.com/lists/FAQ.html

Mallorn Computing and I would be thrilled to see aroid-l become
a participant in the spread of knowledge to the online
horticultural community.

Let me know if there's anything more that I can do, but please answer
privately if the whole list doesn't need to be involved. I don't
want to clutter the list with any more non-aroid information...

Thanks,

Chris
lindsey@mallorn.com

From: lindsey at lorien.mallorn.com (Christopher P. Lindsey) on 1997.10.01 at 20:51:34(1367)> > I personally like the idea of archiving. Archiving a list such as
> > Aroid-L has many practical benefits. But there are those, and I respect
> > their rights, who object because of personal privacy issues, and some
> > even are concerned with issues of copyright.
>
> Mallorn Computing does archive some lists (I don't recall if AROID-L
> is among them) on a Web Page. They keep them in their original
> form, stating the author and context in which the postings were
> made. There has been a lot of fuss over copyrights, etc. regarding
> Mallorn's Site. I do not see that they are 'ripping off' anyone,
> and they provide a valuable service to listgroups such as our who
> would like easy access to archive data. They currently archive the
> Medit-Plants discussion which I started a few years ago, and some
> members find it very useful.

Hi everybody,

When Mallorn first started doing the archives, they were meant for
internal use within the company. Unfortunately, the URL somehow
became public, and many people were upset (and rightfully so).

Because of that mishap, we now only maintain archives for lists
that want to be archived, but I do keep my own personal set for other
lists that I subscribe to.

We would still be happy to archive aroid-l in a web-based format with
a search engine; our overall goal is dissemination of knowledge.
If you'd like to look at some of the lists, visit

> If people are very concerned about copyright infringement, then they
> should not post to internet discussion groups until such time as the
> laws and regulations of this medium become stable (probably a very
> long way off). If there are people concerned about privacy, then
> the internet is not the place to be (there isn't really any privacy
> to speak of, even if there is a perception of privacy).

To some degree this is true. Under current laws, it's illegal to
even READ email (because the computer makes an unauthorized copy
into its memory and then onto the screen). Hopefully all of this
will be ironed out in the near future, although current legislation
seems to be leaning towards the removal of privacy.

Because we recognize that some people are uncomfortable with their
materials being available to a wider, unknown audience, we do allow
users to disallow mail messages from our archives. By adding
special headers or keywords in the message, your posts will NOT
be archived. This is in the FAQ at:

http://www.mallorn.com/lists/FAQ.html

Mallorn Computing and I would be thrilled to see aroid-l become
a participant in the spread of knowledge to the online
horticultural community.

Let me know if there's anything more that I can do, but please answer
privately if the whole list doesn't need to be involved. I don't
want to clutter the list with any more non-aroid information...