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The firing of a woman on the Apprentice is no surprise, specially since they chose a whole crew of inept women this season. The big suspense ticket is, which Man will win. We know none of the women will. So which one will?

Andy wants to go emotional route. Maria says show picture of hummer and go sex appeal route? WTF? She braks about how wondeful she is again...I'm perfect for this becuase of my advertising expertise brak brak brak

Andy wants to do "when's the last time you saved a life"

"Here is my secret. It's quite simple: One sees clearly only with the heart. Anything essential is invisible to the eyes."

Holy smokes did he ever lay into her. Sad to say I have to agree with everything he said. She just doesn't get it and it would be really interesting to see what Donald would have to say about a team mutiny.

For some reason though, I think it still comes back to Mosaic with Maria getting the "what is wrong with you speech"

They said they need to fire her. Kevin is trying to talk to Elizabeth - trying to tell her to get it together. He says "you've got a coup in there you have no control of them". Ugh ELizabeth SUCKS SUCKS!!!!

Kevin is telling her what to do...get it together. Kevin is so cool to even try to help her. Obviously he wants to win so they don't go to the boardroom, but he did everything humanly possible to get this task together and to help ELizabeth. DId I mention how much she SUCKS. SHe cannot make a decision to save her life.

"Here is my secret. It's quite simple: One sees clearly only with the heart. Anything essential is invisible to the eyes."

she so should have been gone several tasks ago..specifically when they fired staciej. It's just amazing how some of the people that suck week in and week out are still here..(can anyone say maria). She's so stuck on sex appeal and I'm glad George was there to hear er jabbing at andy about the sex appeal issue.

Elizabeth is going to be reemed. I would say the fact that her idea was nixed by everyone else in favor of military (which obviously was NOT pulling at the heart strings and NOT wanted) was a good thing for Elizabeth, BUT she just is completely unable to lead and there is just no way I can imagine a scenario where she won't be going home tonight.

"Here is my secret. It's quite simple: One sees clearly only with the heart. Anything essential is invisible to the eyes."

FOr the boardroom. Jen said "I head you coaching her...you're not on our team..it's not fair".

Elizabeth and Raj are talking. Raj says he'll be under fire for having the military idea. He says if everyone thought it was such a bad idea, they wouldn't have gone with it.

ELizabeth said ultimately DT will make the decision. She is SOOOOO annoying...almost as annoying as Maria's constant brakking about how fabulous she is at everything (and then royally sucking at everything she's supposedly good at).

"Here is my secret. It's quite simple: One sees clearly only with the heart. Anything essential is invisible to the eyes."

You know, at the point that Trump says "What the hell's missing with you?" I would have said "I don't need this sh!t. Go Cheney yourself." Yeah, Elizabeth was pretty incompetent, but hw about showing her a little human decency even if you can't muster respect?!

The Mosaic ad was fantastic, ready for the public the way it was. Andy and Kelly both presented wonderfully. How unusual it was to see a team complete a task so well -- this is a real feather in Andy's cap!

.... Ummm, just what did Jen M & Ivana do at all during this task? They apparently did not put ANY ideas on the table at all, did not seem to be active during the filming... just what did they DO? How did Elizabeth see fit to (try) to take Raj and Chris into the boardroom when the women seemed to have made even LESS of a contribution?

Now I'm saying that Elizabeth should not have been the one to take the long walk to the yellow taxi cab... She has been living on borrowed time since what? Episode 2 when Stacie J. got roasted when it should have been Elizabeth..

It's very untypical of Jenn to not do anything at all. Probably they just edit out the part where Jen was doing something constructive.

I see the logic for Elizabeth for taking Raj and Chris. Raj is the one who insisted on the military idea, while Chris is the one who came up with the slogan about being the front line (what is it again? Is it "Being on the front line from the other side of the world" or something?)

I actually thought Apex's tag line was pretty good - it was evocative and if it was handled in the right way, it had potential to really hit people's emotions. With the right music and some softer copy - and with "hero" type shots instead of gestapo raids, it could have worked and been at least competitive. Elizabeth's instincts about the military angle was right. That pulsing music and the stark graphics in the TV ad were all wrong. And that was the worst looking print mock-up I have ever seen. The colors were awful - it was so busy you couldn't even read the copy. And Raj and Chris were like caricatures of human beings tonight - it's too bad she's so freakin wimpy she can't control her team at all.

Mosaic's finished piece came together really well. (much better than I thought they would) Thematically it moved really well between the print and the television ads. Seamless. Loved how they put a face to the uniform and had a clear, concise, powerful message. I was pleasantly surprised.

I agree. They could have played up HERO and not gone for WE WILL KILL PEOPLE and been much more effective. I never did really get what Elizabeth was trying to seel them other than not military, and frankly, I don't think it would have mattered because Mosaic's was that good. Andy totally smoked them. There was no need for sex in that ad and I'm glad that his team won and he stood his ground.

Finally a project that seemed to be complete and thought-out. I do believe that might be a first for this season. Who would have thought it would come from Andy?

I don't think Maria and Kelly were entirely off base. I don't feel like they wanted to sell sex as they much as they wanted to sex up the ads. That wouldn't work in the concept that Andy had - it would have been totally out of place. But, if they had gone a different, edgier route early on - I don't think it would have been a horrible direction to go off in. They are trying to appeal to young men primarily. The easiest way to do that is with the sexier aspects of police work - guns, the cars, the power, etc. I don't think anyone wanted to see shirtless guys on motorcycles - but an urban-themed recruiting message would not have been a total disaster.

As powerful as Andy's concept ended up being - it sounded stodgey and like it would appeal to people like - well, like you and me, kim. In other words, not their target market. I would have had the same concerns early on as they had - but, Andy put together a great cohesive package.

And I agree - I don't think Elizabeth had a clue about what she wanted other than that it wasn't what she had. It's a shame - that tag line could have worked.

<<>I don't think Maria and Kelly >were entirely off base. I >don't feel like they wanted >to sell sex as they >much as they wanted to >sex up the ads. That >wouldn't work in the concept >that Andy had - it >would have been totally out >of place. But, if they >had gone a different, edgier >route early on - I >don't think it would have >been a horrible direction to >go off in. They are >trying to appeal to young >men primarily. The easiest way >to do that is with >the sexier aspects of police >work - guns, the cars, >the power, etc. I don't >think anyone wanted to see >shirtless guys on motorcycles - >but an urban-themed recruiting message >would not have been a >total disaster. >>

Agreed, Lisa.

I think Maria should not have said "We need more sex" since I thought she meant that they should make the ad a little cooler (for lack of better word). That doesn't mean "cops straddling their bikes" but using a more hip, edgier, sexier campaign to recruit the 18-30 year-olds. But any time Maria says ANYTHING, it basically sounds like "I need more sex."

Also, I must admit, as a visitor to NYC, I have seen some REALLY hot cops, both male and female. I've stayed in the Chelsea and a precinct is right around the corner. My friend and I would just plant ourselves across the street and drool.

but the police officer before the cut of jumpingin the waterwhat did he say?when was the last time ...????

>The Mosaic ad was fantastic, ready >for the public the way >it was. Andy and Kelly >both presented wonderfully. How unusual >it was to see a >team complete a task so >well -- this is a >real feather in Andy's cap! >>>.... Ummm, just what did Jen >M & Ivana do at >all during this task? They >apparently did not put ANY >ideas on the table at >all, did not seem to >be active during the filming... >just what did they DO? >How did Elizabeth see fit >to (try) to take Raj >and Chris into the boardroom >when the women seemed to >have made even LESS of >a contribution?

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