I thought I would create a special thread specifically for all of your wildest speculations and hopes about what we have to look forward to when Agents of SHIELD returns in April.

What do you think is happening with all of our regular team members in AltWorld? Remember that, according to Jed, only the people AIDA put in the Framework had "one regret" rewritten...so that is only Fitz, Coulson, Mace, Mack, and May. All the other changes are due to a ripple effect.

Is Simmons really dead? What will happen to our Simmons if Alt-Simmons is dead?

Who is the woman Fitz is with? How did he get so rich? Does he know his dad (and who is your dream casting for him)?

Does Coulson really hate Inhumans or is he teaching from a Hydra-mandated curriculum?

Is May really loyal to Hydra?

What do you think Mack is doing as a family man?

Where is YoYo and does she know she is Inhuman?

What is going on with Daisy (or is it still Skye?) and Ward?

What about the rest of AltWorld? How have the different lives of the team impacted the world (like Coulson never joining SHIELD and May not killing Katya Belyakov?)

Do the Avengers exist (it was Coulson's death in Avengers that brought them together)?

Why the antagonism against Inhumans? Presumably there was still some sort of Terrigen outbreak or Coulson would not be teaching about Inhumans? Does Hydra fear them? Is Jiaying still alive with the AfterLife Inhumans?

Does SHIELD even exist anymore?

Who would you like to see come back? Cal? Jiaying? Lincoln? Blake? Hill? Andrew? Radcliffe? Agnes? Joey?

What do you think will happen with the "new A-Team": YoYo, Piper, Davis and Prince? Will they have run-ins with AIDA?

What do you think AIDA's plan is, anyway? How will she gain her emotions? How will she use Ivanov to help her get them?

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I have three questions(Outside of the ones asked above):

Since HYDRA (or at least a branch of the organization) worshiped Hive, why does HYDRA seem to hate Inhumans now?

Where is Mace in the Framework world?

What happened to the rest of the human agents at the base when LMD May detonated the bomb?

Since the main cast is all in the Framework, I hope the remaining team of Yoyo, Piper, Davis, and Prince actually go on a mission or two on their own.

I"m going to assume Radcliffe and Agnes/AIDA will return in some way, but I hope Whitehall makes an appearance (I was hoping Garrett would have a cameo, but real life unfortunately had other plans )

Since HYDRA owns the Triskelion maybe we'll see a HYDRA helicarrier!

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I have three questions(Outside of the ones asked above):

Since HYDRA (or at least a branch of the organization) worshiped Hive, why does HYDRA seem to hate Inhumans now?

Well, it seems that that was a pretty small sect of Hydra that was only really able to emerge after the rest of the organization fell. However, that did not happen in AltWorld. Also, since I assume all of SHIELD was lost in the Hydra emergence in Winter Soldier, the Iliad carrying the Monolith was captured by Hydra. But Simmons was the one who was eaten by it, and was also the one who figured out the math of where the portal opens on Maveth...it seems likely Hive was never brought back to earth and would still be considered mostly myth to the members of Hydra who knew about it. They would be in Whitehall's camp.

I imagine that Hydra knew about Inhumans (at least to some extent) because Whitehall met Jiaying? I also imagine that since Gonzalez probably died on the Iliad when SHIELD fell and, really, when has Hydra ever been interested in diplomacy, they did not ever kindly knock on AfterLife's doors and try to make nice. In fact, if Hydra is really so powerful, I would bet that Jiaying and the AfterLife crew waged war against Hydra (remember how deeply she and Cal hated them). That may be the key. Project Insight succeeds, Hydra comes out of the shadows, Jiaying watches and rallies the Inhumans to attack. Perhaps she even released Terrigen creating an outbreak?

Where is Mace in the Framework world?

He is one of the ones with a regret changed. We know so little about his personal life, I can only assume that his regret is that he was not a hero the way he wanted to be. He may be in some sort of resistance against Hydra?

What happened to the rest of the human agents at the base when LMD May detonated the bomb?

One of the crew members has stated on Twitter that the explosion was pretty localized, so they should be ok.

Since the main cast is all in the Framework, I hope the remaining team of Yoyo, Piper, Davis, and Prince actually go on a mission or two on their own.

I"m going to assume Radcliffe and Agnes/AIDA will return in some way, but I hope Whitehall makes an appearance (I was hoping Garrett would have a cameo, but real life unfortunately had other plans )

Since HYDRA owns the Triskelion maybe we'll see a HYDRA helicarrier!

Wow, a Hydra Helicarrier. Now that is a creepy thought!

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I desperately want the team on the quinjet to do badass missions/protect Skye Daisy and Simmons while they are under. In fact, I could quite happily go for an episode of just Piper and Yoyo (and Prince and Davis I suppose) being badass together. Framework schmamework.

As for everything else... I'm not sure that 'removing one regret' would legit cause such intense ripple effects. I think it's more likely that it's how the guys imagine their life would have gone, rather than how it actually would have ended up. I'm not sure why fake Simmons is dead, or whether that means real Simmons will also be super dead. Or possibly a ghost? She can flirt around and haunt Fitz and his new... lady. Fitz is becoming real Radcliffey lately. I wish he'd stop.

Not pumped for AlternateWard. I don't care if he's busy being all perfect boyfriend etc. (Also, does that mean Skye Daisy's regret was that Ward was evil? How does that even regret? Or did she regret not being evil? What? Or... no but what? Also her new wig thumbs down I hope it goes)

Also, I'm seriously over Coulson and May making out with infinite fake versions of themselves. So I sincerely hope there's no more of that in the weird Framework world. Because, ew.

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I desperately want the team on the quinjet to do badass missions/protect Skye Daisy and Simmons while they are under. In fact, I could quite happily go for an episode of just Piper and Yoyo (and Prince and Davis I suppose) being badass together. Framework schmamework.

I agree with you. I am super looking forward to this, and I think it has to happen because while Simmons and Daisy play around in the Framework AIDA is still going to be running amok in the real world. So YAY!

As for everything else... I'm not sure that 'removing one regret' would legit cause such intense ripple effects. I think it's more likely that it's how the guys imagine their life would have gone, rather than how it actually would have ended up.

I don't think it is the people who AIDA put in the Framework controlling it. I imagine it is based on some sort of impossible sci-fi computer algorithm. I mean, I am biased, but I think Coulson having never joined SHIELD changes the whole world (take that Marvel Studios!!). For instance, if Coulson never existed the Avengers would not have come together as a team, since it was his death that caused them to finally unite in Avengers. Coulson was the one who finally brought Thor in as an ally to SHIELD in Thor. Coulson saved Pepper Potts from Stane in Iron Man (at least when she had first downloaded the iron Monger plans from the Stark Industries database). Coulson ran TAHITI and was also the one who closed down the project (I doubt Hydra would have been as concerned with the ethics of the project). Without Coulson there would have been no AoS team, since it was only created to babysit him after TAHITI. Coulson was friends with May, and we all know that our friends can rub off on us. Without Coulson's influence as well as Daisy's influence, May probably decided after Bahrain that Inhumans (or enhanced people) were too dangerous to be left alone at all (this is the only thing I can think of that would bring May over to Hydra's side unless she was Faustused). I mean, basically, without Coulson everything that has happened in 4 seasons of AoS would not have happened. All the influence he had on the team would not have existed.

So while AltWorld may not have turned out exactly like it would have in real life, I think that there are certain people for whom one decision can drastically influence everything: Constantine, Ghandi, Hitler, and of course Phil Coulson!

Not pumped for AlternateWard. I don't care if he's busy being all perfect boyfriend etc. (Also, does that mean Skye Daisy's regret was that Ward was evil? How does that even regret? Or did she regret not being evil? What? Or... no but what? Also her new wig thumbs down I hope it goes)

Well, according to the show runners, the "one regret" thing only applies to the people AIDA put in the Framework--Mace, Mack, Fitz, Coulson, May (maybe Agnes?). So it is not Daisy's regret or Ward's regret that got them together.

Last night I was thinking about how they would have even met, and then I remembered (sorry, I don't have a definite episode but I think it was 120 "Nothing Personal", maybe 121 "RagTag") that Garrett told Ward Skye had been on Hydra's radar as a hacker since before Coulson ever came across her. If I am remembering correctly Garrett mentioned this as he and Ward were fighting because Garrett had Quinn shoot Skye in 113, "TRACKS".

Anyway, I imagine that with Hydra successfully hidden inside SHIELD, they could have sent someone (maybe even Garrett or Ward) to recruit her as a hacker. It isn't too far-fetched she would have gone along with it. They could have told her out-right they were working against SHIELD because before she met Coulson, she and the Rising Tide thought SHIELD was the bad guy. Since Hydra/Whitehall were already working on the Obelisk/Diviner, they may have even been able to figure out Daisy was Inhuman and so she could still have powers in AltWorld.

What will be interesting, is that AltDaisy is (I'm guessing) evil or at least aligned with Hydra, our Daisy will have to pretend to be evil and all lovey-dovey with Ward. ewwwwww. lol

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As for everything else... I'm not sure that 'removing one regret' would legit cause such intense ripple effects.

That's a pretty standard plot device for sci-fi shows, any time the show is going to explore a "what if" scenario (alternate universe, time travel, computer simulation) the main characters' decisions always have pretty large consequences. If the changes were minor it wouldn't be as interesting.

I forgot to mention my thoughts on Ward returning, honestly its a mixed bag. Firstly he was never loyal to HYDRA, just to Garrett. I am curious to see if they just make him more of a loyal HYDRA agent or have him be a wild card. On the other hand Ward was a bad guy for three seasons and every season he filled a different role. I'm kind of sick of him being there. Nothing against Brett Dalton, who I consider to be a good actor, but enough is enough.

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Well, it seems that that was a pretty small sect of Hydra that was only really able to emerge after the rest of the organization fell.

I wonder if they'll even acknowledge that, or if HYDRA is just going to go back to being Nazi ripoffs.

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