00:03:03asciilifeform:http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253471 << i know of a fella who was in gulf war I. his father looked down on him for not having suffered being taken prisoner in vietnam; his father's father looked down on the latter for not having been abused by north koreans in korean war captivity; and his uncle - for not having been in japanese prison camp in ww2.

00:03:03assbot:Logged on 27-08-2015 19:57:22; moonpunter: but vietnam was a real war in my book.

00:24:20mircea_popescu:asciilifeform indeed they know how to be poor but happy. it works through being mentally retarded. they'd be equally happy if they were rich. they'd also be equally poor even if they were rich.

00:26:05mircea_popescu:asciilifeform i tell you honestly, if i actually had to run a retarded linux thing for each of these i'd strongly consider just giving up.

00:29:26ag3nt_zer0:http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2015#1253717 << fair enough... though this reaction of mine is likely related to the fact that I was once fired from a school district while subbing because a student reported that I called her an "idiot" - wasn't true; I was speaking of the classroom behavior as a whole, but mattered not to the spineless principle nor to my "mentor" (I was sub for him) - this was with 10 days to

00:29:26assbot:Logged on 27-08-2015 22:58:18; mircea_popescu: <ag3nt_zer0> i said "no i'm not" << the one remarkable quality of six year olds is how quickly they can transform adults, even if specially trained, into other six year olds :D

00:29:46kakobrekla:that 4.5v - most often used in a handheld flash light here. some armies had those too afaik.

00:30:11mircea_popescu:pretty sure i saw the thing attached to miner's helmet

00:48:32asciilifeform:kakobrekla: the notable thing about those 'flat batteries' (what we called'em) was not where they were used, but the kid-friendliness (in the old sense of educative danger, rather than 'safety') - you could wrap wires around the terminals directly, even short'em across various objects to learn what happens

01:01:21*:mircea_popescu had girl make herself shocking device out of mono copper cable, duct tape and a dozen 1.5 volters. FOR PUNISHMENT

01:01:25williamdunne:For a good laugh, a socialist using words they don't understand. Particular lols around bogeymanning options contracts; www.dailymotion.com/video/x2mxebi_the-super-rich-and-us-episode-2_tv

01:02:12asciilifeform:mircea_popescu: l0l! in vietnam, it is said, bamboo tube would be filled with 1.5v cells (often given up for dead by americans)

01:02:37asciilifeform:and could run just about whatever (to a point. internal resistance of the cells eventually catches up with you)

01:26:31mats:some unlucky folks have a dominant eye different than the hand, which can make it difficult to aim

01:26:38mircea_popescu:human visual depth perception is so fucking terrible, if you're going to fire cable guided missiles you're better off placing two teams a mile apart and having team A guide missiles fired from B and vice-versa

01:26:46mircea_popescu:it then makes sense to close one eye on top of it.

01:27:28asciilifeform:(this is not subjectively obvious, on account of strange quirks of wetware)

01:27:55BingoBoingo:<mats> some unlucky folks have a dominant eye different than the hand, which can make it difficult to aim << solution is hand yeilds to eye dominance. If left eye dominant shoot left handed.

01:28:01mircea_popescu:there are known and amply documented cases of mechanical sight misalignment that can't be detected with one eye

01:53:11moonpunter:i don't know about any artillery or most of the vehicles; i did maintain my humvee and i was the only truck in the platoon to never break down b/c i didn't mind annoying the mechanics

02:03:51moonpunter:i dunno. i've been a good boy since last year. got too many reasons now. new baby tomorrow morning. 8am delivery.

02:04:06BingoBoingo:moonpunter: You see my alleged misdemeanor case is being strung out for years because drunk is not wrong. Also prosecutor and police suck at this whole trying misdemeanor cases business.

02:07:15moonpunter:cops don't even know what laws they're enforcing, most of them act on emotion, professionalism lacking, institutional racism, extortionist tactics at the jail - $3.00 per minute for a phone call in 2014

02:07:17trinque:I know in certain places in Texas it's rather easy to get arrested for looking the wrong way, or being drunk in the wrong place.

02:07:39trinque:and admittedly as a white male, it doesn't apply to me much there.

02:08:28moonpunter:i've been through there dozens of times, right, on greyhound several, and everytime i've been to that greyhound station there's been an ambulance and a herd of cops. every time.

02:09:33moonpunter:mostly i just stay home nowadays. graced with virtual office type work. now and then i think about getting one of these cheap office spaces in town, but i'm fine living in my slippers and gym shorts.

02:09:50BingoBoingo:My personal standard for whether something should be a crime or not is Missouri's statewide ban on prosecution for merely being drunk in public. Missouri is more Texas than Texas in this regard.

02:10:56moonpunter:here in Arkansas if you have money you're basically a protected class. my previous landlord is getting away with theft and extortion on a weekly basis. he fucked up when he harassed my wife via text, she's going to sue, the cops said that would be the best way to deal with it.

02:12:07BingoBoingo:Well, in most rural places it isn't just the money. It's whether you're the sort who should have money or not.

02:12:17moonpunter:i think the law should be blind to all existential things and apply to human action. if you harm another person in someway, violate their inalienable rights, that should be criminal, no matter who you are.

02:14:39trinque:looks a lot like this glorious land of freedom we've got

02:14:52trinque:only recourse you have is to associate with sane individuals.

02:14:58moonpunter:well this thing that just happened in ferguson, where the cops showed up with overwhelming force and the kid decided to shoot at them before he died. it's like at what point are you allowed to defend yourself if you are reasonably certain you're going to die.

02:18:29mircea_popescu:i thought beating up burglar is traditional there too ?

02:18:36moonpunter:thoreau wrote in depth about the value of the commons. i tend to defer to him. in mass. they say you have to call the cops before you can even think about defending yourself, even if the person is in your home.

02:25:13moonpunter:i signed a contract with the landlord, he violated it in several ways and attempted to violate it in more. he was disappointed when he figured out i didn't need his apartment, and most definitely stole some of my property left there before the move-out date, then lied to police about it. we don't need anymore laws protecting landlords where i live.

02:25:20mircea_popescu:and btw, the us gdp went up to 3 something while we were talking.

02:37:39mircea_popescu:but, that aside. the logical next step, after learning arithmetics, from a "i'd rather not be robbed blind by everyone i meet" is learning statistics.

02:37:49asciilifeform:trinque: ... been in the position of having my doors checked, and I waited it out << i've lived in a 'burglary' street since last may - good share of the houses featured in city hall's 'crime map.' but for some reason nobody ever 'checked' my door

02:38:04mircea_popescu:and this very specifically means learning to avoid the numerous "learn statistics nao!" scamtraps, from bayesian bullshit to what have you.

02:39:25mircea_popescu:how to annoy large dogs : while dog is in front and you're sitting in back seat, wait for it to stick its muzzle through the headrest, at which point put a strip of bacon flush on it. hide it once he withdraws. repeat.

02:44:29asciilifeform:'I have often heard learned psychology department dunderheads stating what the result of their paper will be, and instructing their underlings to mine the data for p-values. I suppose they may have thought themselves speaking over the heads of the rabble, since nobody else from their department was visible. Mind you, they did this in a public place, in a town which is filled to the nostrils with people with training in rigorou

02:44:29asciilifeform:s subjects, like, you know, me, the buxom Russian girl reading Dirac in the corner, the options trader eating a sandwich, and the girl pouring the coffee, who is studying mathematics. This indicates to me that such people are so abysmally stupid and unaware of their own deficiencies, they couldn?t achieve a scientific result if they actually tried to do so. Have a click on this link for the UCB psychology department: at lea

02:44:30asciilifeform:st two people on this list are complete scientific frauds. Probably, most of them are.'

02:44:56asciilifeform:'Should I ever strike it rich enough to endow a foundation, I would pay legions of trained statisticians to go through the literature and eviscerate the mountains of bad ?research? and arrive at the truth. If Universities were interested in advancing human knowledge, rather than circle jerks with a football team, they?d fund entire departments of people who do nothing but this.'

02:56:31mircea_popescu:yes, they matter for the bureaucrats who'd like to pass for mds, and which are presented as such by the state much like the guy in a white coat is presented as "a scientist" by advertising execs

03:10:44BingoBoingo:<asciilifeform> i am saying these things with the secret hope of weaseling out of writing a manual later. << I though this is what danielpbarron does

03:13:18asciilifeform:thing does exactly three basic kinds of thing - verifies sigs; determines what subcoagulations of spittle in the spittoon are in fact in single strands; and permits operator to select individual strands, and cut'em (by whatever criteria, including signatories or combinations thereof)

03:14:58asciilifeform:a 'release' is merely a particular kind of vpatch which deliberately touches a desired set of leaves, and turns into a leaf set which, when selected, produces the sought after tree.

03:15:43asciilifeform:at any rate, it'll be a handy thing for folks such as hanbot.

03:16:03asciilifeform:(in the sense of, people who are not writing these, but desire to make some sense of what has been written.)

03:16:52asciilifeform:i have already written the 'mathematical' portion. which actually snarfs up and computers the graph flows, and checks sigs

03:17:03asciilifeform:but it still remains to me, to put human knobs on it.

03:17:42asciilifeform:so far it is ~one page, of 'python' prog. lang., if anyone has something else they would like to see it in, write to me

03:19:13phf:mats: dos dev is sop multimachine. if you read early gamedev reminiscence professional setup almost always involved two machines, the dev environment and the game testing machine, with some rapid way to synchronize the two. not that are you necessarily limited to a single task at a time, you can load a tsr to perform a handful of auxiliary task, like notes or calculator or whatever. i think that's how "widgets" were implemented in apple's system

03:22:56trinque:it's quite a thing; I've worked under guys that demanded minimalism and it didn't hold a candle to this.

03:23:19trinque:shows it's not just minimalism that's to be sought, but precisely the right fit of concepts.

03:23:31asciilifeform:<phf> mats: dos dev is sop multimachine. if you read early gamedev reminiscence professional setup almost always involved two machines, the dev environment and the game testing machine, with some rapid way to synchronize the two... <<< this is how 'embedded' work is still done, and imho it is the correct way to program

03:24:22asciilifeform:trinque: ... the right fit of concepts << sometimes called 'orthogonality'

04:39:19ben_vulpes:http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254018 << the whole thing's a small nudge or ten away from people with guns realizing that cops hate getting shot at, the state hates cops getting shot at, and generally anyone with the stones to make an effort to rack up up a body count on their way out stands an even chance of not even having to go out

04:39:19assbot:Logged on 28-08-2015 02:14:58; moonpunter: well this thing that just happened in ferguson, where the cops showed up with overwhelming force and the kid decided to shoot at them before he died. it's like at what point are you allowed to defend yourself if you are reasonably certain you're going to die.

05:16:28assbot:Logged on 28-08-2015 03:14:58; asciilifeform: a 'release' is merely a particular kind of vpatch which deliberately touches a desired set of leaves, and turns into a leaf set which, when selected, produces the sought after tree.

05:17:37phf:we had this girl in the country house area, who every summer would be into the most pop thing of the time. we'd play a game, end of may when you get there, ask her if she's into whatever trashy thing at the time, "oooh, i love it how did you know". can do same with full stack developers by scanning hackernews frontpage

05:18:19thestringpuller:ben_vulpes: when you say rescue project...you mean rescue them from those technologies right?

05:19:11ben_vulpes:bulk of the project is a mongo -> postgresql conversion

05:19:33ben_vulpes:trinque: knows a thing or two about pulling that hat trick off

05:23:40thestringpuller:i miss using postgresql. but it's overkill for wordpress.

05:51:09punkman:“We know his goal is to make America great again,” a woman said. “It’s on his hat. And we see it every time it’s on TV. Everything that he’s doing, there’s no doubt why he’s doing it: it’s to make America great again.”

06:23:52trinque:ben_vulpes | trinque: knows a thing or two about pulling that hat trick off << heh, perhaps next it becomes "how do I derive a bunch of CLOS classes and instances from all this relational data?"

07:01:35mircea_popescu:?Being able to hear an alarm, being able to drop to the ground if you?re ordered to do so, those are prison activities of daily living that if you can?t do, you can get in a lot of trouble,?

07:02:04mircea_popescu:bwahahaha. in what lalaland is this going on. fuck you, you want it done, do it yourself. you're here to work for me, that's why you get paid. i don't get paid to be here. logic 101.

07:03:34mircea_popescu:i guess us research facilities don't hold the actual scientists, us civil service doesn't hold the actual politicians and us prisons don't hold the actual prisoners. they're all in meta-usa, the meta-nsa, meta-criminals and generally an entire country-equivalent of actually competewnt dopplegangers.

07:09:56mircea_popescu:dude who the fuck exports meth. what retardation is this.

07:10:11mircea_popescu:meth is locally manufactured like central heating is locally manufactured.

07:10:54mircea_popescu:<punkman> ?We know his goal is to make America great again,? a woman said <<< a woman admits america now sucks ? such.

07:13:07mircea_popescu:?Stammers? scheme ended not with the North Korean methamphetamine flooding American streets as he had intended, but rather with a guilty plea in a Manhattan federal court,? Bharara said in a statement. << "we got another five retards to confess to imaginary crimes we dreamed up ; they will cost the state 100k a year for the next 10 years up to as long as they live. and i expect to get a bonus", some dumbass india

07:13:07mircea_popescu:n that's there to leech the system for all it's got said in a statement.

07:13:30mircea_popescu:how exactly is this derp different from asciilifeform's dr x ?

07:15:33mircea_popescu:(and yes, everyone who ever thought about it stockpiles drugs in the phillipines, because hey, support infrastructure is cvasi-absent owing to the lazy ineptitude of the locals, and they got capital punishment for it too. not like you could fucking make it in mexico and ship it across the border, owing to the fact that

10:08:53cazalla:http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254251 <<< it is funded by boost VC, that start up school where kid draper pisses away daddy draper's money on shit on awful ideas like zapchain itself and follow the coin.. boost VC pivoted to cover VR tech so zapchain is also covering VR these days as well!

10:08:53assbot:Logged on 28-08-2015 04:59:12; trinque: this "zapchain" is another idiotic user-generated content site, looks like

13:06:45asciilifeform:ben_vulpes: ... the whole thing's a small nudge or ten away from people with guns realizing that cops hate getting shot at ... << important to distinguish city police (the folks presently getting shot at) from fed gendarmerie (alphabet soup) - the latter just ~love~ it, on account of it giving them an excuse to waco. all that armour, heavy weaponry, poison gas, flying machines that they've stockpiled, they'd love to use.

13:08:04asciilifeform:the orcs who shoot at local cops are - all but formally - salaried employees of usg. doing what they were paid for.

13:13:02assbot:Logged on 28-08-2015 07:03:34; mircea_popescu: i guess us research facilities don't hold the actual scientists, us civil service doesn't hold the actual politicians and us prisons don't hold the actual prisoners. they're all in meta-usa, the meta-nsa, meta-criminals and generally an entire country-equivalent of actually competewnt dopplegangers.

13:14:12cazalla:asciilifeform, fwiw, it is the gnomes that use flying machines, not so much orcs.. "i've got a flying machine!"

13:29:38asciilifeform:re: pankkakeing: the basic process is, i think, that someone shows up here, plays for a while, then understands that rocket will not come, will not take him to mars. and leaves - unless he had some entirely other reason for sticking around, such as having become embroiled in actual projects with other people here.

13:30:16cazalla:91 advert views.. 1 response to which no additional response was forthcoming.. you'd think asking for $20 an hour (with room to negoiate for those able to muster the courage to ask would get some work but meh)

13:30:22asciilifeform:adlai, unlike various idlers, actually had a very spiffy project. one which very much resembled something i've attempted to write myself.

16:34:20assbot:Logged on 28-08-2015 13:46:12; davout: asciilifeform: why would anyone connect to his own live btc the bot written by someone not daring to run it against its own stash?

16:35:43ascii_field:http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254409 >>> i stopped reading at 'Many distributions have partnered with Microsoft to sign their released kernels with a key that is already recognized by most system manufacturers, therefore saving you the trouble of having to deal with key importing.'

16:42:05punkman:"We believe collaboration can save the world" "When people have the tools and trust to collaborate on a massive scale, nearly any problem can be solved. Since its inception 20 years ago, Linux has become the most used software in the world."

16:53:01assbot:Logged on 28-08-2015 10:08:53; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254251 <<< it is funded by boost VC, that start up school where kid draper pisses away daddy draper's money on shit on awful ideas like zapchain itself and follow the coin.. boost VC pivoted to cover VR tech so zapchain is also covering VR these days as well!

16:54:30assbot:Logged on 28-08-2015 13:06:45; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ... the whole thing's a small nudge or ten away from people with guns realizing that cops hate getting shot at ... << important to distinguish city police (the folks presently getting shot at) from fed gendarmerie (alphabet soup) - the latter just ~love~ it, on account of it giving them an excuse to waco. all that armour, heavy weaponry, poison gas, flying machines that they've stockpiled,

16:55:37assbot:Logged on 28-08-2015 13:13:02; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254314 << laugh, but all of this has to be in some sense true, or the place would be indistinguishable from zimbabwe. i just looked out my window. i do not - yet - see zimbabwe. ergo some 'meta-' is in the mix.

16:57:09mircea_popescu:but to answer cazalla : owing to a by now two decades' traditsion of middle class pushing its inept offspring to "pretend like you're doing something", there's millions of kids floating about with very good first line of answer to "so what are you doing". except if you inquire past that their choice is to either take off or admit they suck. generally, they take off.

16:58:09*:mircea_popescu has had for a while auto-lashing for saying the words "i'm trying to". one lash per instance. two bonus for adding any "just" in there.

16:58:19mircea_popescu:buncha us born chicks went around like zebras for months on account of it.

17:06:06mircea_popescu:http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254393 << mno. imo the basic process is, kid lived entire life in circumstances where a) there is cleavage between words and reality ; b) resources are allocated on the basis of group apartenence rather than factual merit ; c) group apartenence is a matter of saying the right words. upon meeting #b-a, which to his inept eyes has very ellaborately, formally structured prot

17:06:06assbot:Logged on 28-08-2015 13:29:38; asciilifeform: re: pankkakeing: the basic process is, i think, that someone shows up here, plays for a while, then understands that rocket will not come, will not take him to mars. and leaves - unless he had some entirely other reason for sticking around, such as having become embroiled in actual projects with other people here.

17:06:06mircea_popescu:ocols, he incorrectly identifies it as "more of the same", goes through the word game, is suprised that this is a dead end.

17:13:21mircea_popescu:ascii_field intelligence is not related to this.

17:14:31BingoBoingo:<trinque> so when I switch to OpenBSD, they're going to announce their strategic partnership with the FBI? << iirc FBI tried the stealthy version of this around 2003 cleaned house quietly and FBI guy went full derp about it again around 2010

17:30:11assbot:DI$RUPTIV3 on Twitter: "@danielpbarron Oh fuck you! Piss off you piece of shit I was an anarchist when you were jacking off to Hillary Duff Suck it! @BraveTheWorld" ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqJOy5 )

17:34:53danielpbarron:twitter is useful for trolling, although they are cracking down on that by coming up with ways to sort replies so that the less favorable ones get hidden behind "click to see the rest" b.s.

17:35:01BingoBoingo:mircea_popescu: It matters little, but helps the qntra get a bit broader audience than this channel

17:39:54mircea_popescu:think about it for a second. in any game, the "rational" player is the defeated player. rational in this context merely means "that which has been intellectually dominated by the other side".

17:40:05mircea_popescu:"women" may be "dumb". but they're not this dumb.

17:41:14mircea_popescu:(and yes this is also why the state urges the individual to "be rational". oooofcourseitwould. the only rational thing to do is to preserve the 5th amendment, which is to say : i reserve the right to unilaterally shoot any and all policemen on my say so. because that's what fucking independence is.)

17:41:36mircea_popescu:trinque well think about it. what does "rational" mean ? that YOU can understand it, right ?

17:41:54mircea_popescu:if the soviets think the germans are being rational and are right, the soviets win. if vice-versa, vice-versa.

17:42:02trinque:yes, something like I have a model of reality (even if incomplete) and act coherently within that model?

18:03:39mircea_popescu:<trinque> "gotta like all my pinterests" << incidentally this is how the "friendzone" happens. if guy confuses the female-group imperative ("gotta be on switch or wtf that ipad dating thing was called") for the female-individual imperative ("gotta carry her bag") the female adds to her observation that "this guy is not matable" the obvious "but exploitable".

18:35:36thestringpuller:trinque: read an article in wired recently about how this girl couldn't get laid after college so she signed up for tinder and she is quoted as saying, "I was more promiscuous than I ever could be in college."

18:38:18assbot:Logged on 28-08-2015 18:35:36; thestringpuller: trinque: read an article in wired recently about how this girl couldn't get laid after college so she signed up for tinder and she is quoted as saying, "I was more promiscuous than I ever could be in college."

18:38:35trinque:ah I'm wrong re tinder and grindr, not related, just one imitated the other

18:59:06punkman:""According to Karl Marx, 'The philosophers have only interpreted the world. The point, however, is to change it.' The acquisition of SpeedRoute brings to fruition the idea behind t0.com: making financial markets more fair and efficient through the application of crypto technology," said Overstock CEO Patrick M. Byrne."

20:07:38mircea_popescu:but the main problem english faces is that it fails to make the complemet distinctions. in romanian : la baieti (to the boys) ; baietilor (to the boys). first tells you where, the 2nd whom.

20:08:05ascii_field:aha you can't 'homo homini lupus est' (tm) in english

20:12:03mircea_popescu:it is perhaps not an idle topic of inquiry to find how much of the rotten-ness of extant software stack mostly comes from the unfortunate happenstance that it was written by people who spoke english with their women.

20:12:30mircea_popescu:a language clearly intended to be spoken to horses.

20:12:36trinque:seems like exactly the same dump-truck full of partially digested concepts in both cases

20:15:21BingoBoingo:Sober, my weekend doesn't start for a few more hours

20:15:24mircea_popescu:"how representative of this person i consider my experience with them"

20:16:58mircea_popescu:and yes this discussion of structure does merely belie much deeper divergence in the actual usage, which i suspect is driven by fundamental divergence in phylosophy.

20:17:25cazalla:BingoBoingo, yeah i understand the numbers thing only has value to you, so i am sure you will not be offended that i don't rate higher than a 4-5 for anyone i've yet to share a meal with.

20:17:37mircea_popescu:for instance, in english : "they found the body" (ie, corpse) ; "smoking is bad for the body" (ie, mechanism) ; this is the body of christ.

20:29:55mircea_popescu:trinque in any case "phenomenological thinking" is a void concept. thinking is not described by the subject it's applied to. you said something roughly like "lighting electrictiy". sure, it can be used to bring light.

21:05:42ascii_field:'life supervision' << is this the first sentence of its kind ?

21:05:44cazalla:i would hazard a guess that the lifetime supervision is about minimising the chances this kid can enact his own justice once he reaches an age where he realises what a dud deal this was for him (around the time he gets out i would guess)

22:08:27cazalla:cannot find it in logs, but whoever mentioned the coindesk pop up spam regarding their conference.. just read this tidbit "..For instance Coindesk putting on this event: it's funded by Citibank, the conventional financial industry, rather than purely libertarian, screw the government kind of thing."

22:13:23ascii_field:betcha mircea_popescu will especially love 'Hear from Xapo's founder Wences Casares, who has been called 'patient zero' for bitcoin in Silicon Valley, on his deal to monetise micropayments in bitcoin with Argentina's biggest social network.'