The original portrayal had a more active and nefarious bin Laden. Now, suddenly, the woman is the aggressor.

Since the movie about this, most likely a Charlie Sheen career revamp vehicle billed as SEALs 2, is probably already in production, the woman as the aggressor and a cowering, inept man fits the current trends in Hollywood.

All snark aside (NEVER!!!), anything like this is extremely fluid. The information will most likely change a dozen times over before it settles down into co-mingling book deals by declassified personnel who were in the "know".

I'm glad they preempted all the inevitable calls for a civilian trial and obsessing over interrogation tactics. This is the language these people understand, but I hope we don't put videos or gory photos on the internet. That would reek of those snuff videos the terrorists seem fond of publishing. We don't conduct martyrdom operations and we don't view dead terrorists as martyrs.

OMG, I am tired of this cr@p...Who cares if he had a gun or didn’t or drew it or didn’t? This isn’t an episode of Law & Order and this wasn’t Detectives Green Briscoe kicking in the door of suspect…

Now, to complain a little…why, oh why couldn’t the D@mn Administration just put a sock in it, until they KNEW what ACTUALLY happened…all the “senior officials” just have to pop off. The people who actually KNOW are the operators on the ground, and until they’ve been debriefed the WH out to have simply said, “We don’t know enough to comment until at least 36 hours have passed.”

We couldn't even risk having his dead body in our possession for 24 hours. What does anybody think we could have done with him if he were taken alive?

Of course he was meant to be killed.

What I find interesting is we've left the others in the compound to be questioned by the Pakistanis.Do we trust them or not? Will they get good intel for us?Do we think they'll follow our interrogation rules?

Assuming for a minute that the US administration is in control of the narrative that it disseminates, it had at least a couple of choices:1) Bin Laden was shooting at US forces, so we killed him -- pro = clearly nothing wrong with offing him, but con = he went down as a martyred warrior;2)Bin Laden was not armed (and maybe was hiding behind a woman), but we shot him anyway -- pro = Bin Laden's death not glorious and maybe cowardly, but con = we shot a defenseless unarmed man.

First we heard version 1, but now it seems more like version 2. Does this indicate a re-calculation of the perception of the event?

I don't mind. Of course when I watched "The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford," I thought all the people who were mad at Robert Ford afterward were a bunch of soft-headed provincials.

I’d prefer we shot Usama bin Laden, the Mastermind of 9/11, Spiritual Leader of Al-Qaida, the man who’s movement has killed 20,000-30,000 Muslims. I think THAT “story” would sell well, irrespective of who had or gun or didn’t.

The decision to target and kill Osama Bin Laden is being applauded by all decent people. Approval to capture or kill this mass-murdering terrorist leader was given by Presidents Obama and Bush. It was the right decision, both morally and legally.

Although Bin Laden wore no military uniform and held no official military rank, he was an appropriate military target. As the titular and spiritual head of Al Qaeda, he was the functional equivalent of a head of state or commander in chief of a terrorist army. From the beginning of recorded history, killing the king was the legitimate object of military action. The very phrase "check mate" means "the king is dead, "signifying the successful end of the battle.

Perhaps a more simple narrative would be US forces raided a compound in which OBL lived and he was killed in the ensuing fire fight. We will release photos of OBLs corpse, DNA results, and a video of the burial at sea. (end of release)

The track the administration has gone down will continue to fuel conspiracy theories around the world.

(The Crypto Jew)Perhaps a more simple narrative would be US forces raided a compound in which OBL lived and he was killed in the ensuing fire fight. We will release photos of OBLs corpse, DNA results, and a video of the burial at sea. (end of release)

Now let us imagine that Bin Laden himself is the Charlie Sheen of the Muslim World. He draws crowds with his outrageous behavior, has several wives, a few goddesses, children of various ages wandering in and out of his life, an inexplicable entourage living in his mansion, and a disdain for Jews.

I feel really bad for the conservative mouthbreathers whose delicious moment of jubilation in the death of bin Laden has been taken away-- tainted beyond enjoyment-- by the fact that a liberal Democrat is the one who gave the order.

Actually, on second thought, they can go f themselves! And shove Desert One where it don't shine while they're at it.

"I feel really bad for the conservative mouthbreathers whose delicious moment of jubilation in the death of bin Laden has been taken away-- tainted beyond enjoyment-- by the fact that a liberal Democrat is the one who gave the order.'

See, it's just gonna get better and better for us mouthbreathers, you know Franglo? If Osama's killing was the main course, Franglo, your hysteria about what got the ball rolling is like a sweet, sweet roicotta pie for dessert.

NONE of the intelligence that led to capture came from enhanced interro/ waterboarding/ torture.

How do you know?

you have nothing to back that up.

In psychology, this is called projection. Of course, you lack the capacity for logical thinking, so now you'll just screech hysterically repeating the same thing over and over thinking that's argument. You are a Monty Python sketch. Congrats, I suppose.

Even their buddy, Rummy says they didn't use torture to glean any of the information relating to Osama's demise.

Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld tells Newsmax the information that led to the killing of Osama bin Laden was obtained through “normal interrogation approaches” and says the notion that terrorist suspects were waterboarded at Guantanamo Bay is a “myth.”

I'm getting the impression that the Administration will blow this simply by all the backtracking.

Then there's all the futzing by the Demos about how we got the intel, "franglo said...Also, hey conservative mouthbreathers, NONE of the intelligence that led to capture came from enhanced interro/ waterboarding/ torture. Stop lying."

The Associated Press reports that the first leads on bin Laden’s whereabouts, information on the fictitious name the al Qaeda head’s closest aide was using, came from harsh interrogation tactics CIA officials were using on confessed 9/11 mastermind planner Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his successor, Abu Faraj al-Libi.

The Weekly Standard’s Thomas Joscelyn points out, too, that The New York Times downplayed the importance the harsh interrogation tactics played in getting this information, but at least reported that it was Mohammed who was the original lead.

I am delighted that liberals agree it is perfectly fine for the US Govt. to search out and kill a person without trial in a foreign country without the permission of the foreign nation or the person killed. Works for me, I just thought for some reason that liberals did not like that idea. But here we are and they are applauding like crazy, like they invented the idea of killing a foreigner, a Muslim foreigner, in a foreign country. No trial. No lawyers. Clean kill. No uniform on the guy. No weapon. Pop him. Adios.

You got that right, dude. No fucking fuss to the big O. Off to a foreign country and pop the guy. Constitutional lawyer dude with the big cowboy gun there with the smoke coming out the end. The big O killed a guy without a trial in a foreign country. No fucking problem.

Garage: You will recall that famous, now defunct, phrase "the rule of law" so often hurled at the right wing. Heh, dude, I am glad as hell that we have a bloodthirsty president and I hope to hell he likes the feeling as much as you do because we need a guy like that, and not like the pussy he was before. So people are pulling your leg a bit, Garage, if you haven't noticed. Literary people call it irony. Lefties call it being insulted.

ummm--Obama didnt do shit--the SEALS did the heavy lifting--and jug ears agonized over the decision for 16 hours--rather like McKinley who prayed to god before starting the spanish american war--I mean really--jug ears has to agonize for sixteen hours? this is a 16 second decision.

Could Osama bin Laden have been found faster if the CIA had followed the advice of ecosystem geographers from the University of California, Los Angeles? Probably not, but the predictions of UCLA geographer Thomas Gillespie, who, along with colleague John Agnew and a class of undergraduates, authored a 2009 paper predicting the terrorist’s whereabouts, were none too shabby. According to a probabilistic model they created, there was an 88.9% chance that bin Laden was hiding out in a city less than 300 km from his last known location in Tora Bora: a region that included Abbottabad, Pakistan, where he was killed last night.

The bin Laden tracking idea began as a project in an undergraduate class on remote sensing that Gillespie, whose expertise is using remote sensing data from satellites to study ecosystems, taught in 2009. Based on information from satellites and other remote sensing systems, and reports on his movements since his last known location, the students created a probabilistic model of where he was likely to be. Their prediction of a town was based on a geographical theory called “island biogeography”: basically, that a species on a large island is much less likely to go extinct following a catastrophic event than a species on a small one.

“The theory was basically that if you’re going to try and survive, you’re going to a region with a low extinction rate: a large town,” Gillespie says. “We hypothesized he wouldn’t be in a small town where people could report on him.”

According to a probabilistic model they created, there was an 88.9% chance that bin Laden was hiding out in a city less than 300 km from his last known location in Tora Bora: a region that included Abbottabad, Pakistan, where he was killed last night.

Well that narrows it down. Problem is, there's no room for the uncertainty principle.

“In the room with bin Laden, a woman -- bin Laden’s wife -- rushed the U.S. assaulter and was shot in the leg but not killed. Bin Laden was then shot and killed. He was not armed,” Carney said. Separately, another woman on the first floor was killed in crossfire, which may have led to Brennan's misstatement."

Ahh jeremy my man--I am much smarter than you, more published than you, have quite a few decorations for gallantry including a purple heart--now what precisely fuckhead have you done except post anonymnous drivel on blogs; you got your little red badge of courage? running your mouth doesnt count son. you are really a pathetic little shit, boy. you are a blustering coward and an abolute piece of shit.

What I find interesting is we've left the others in the compound to be questioned by the Pakistanis.Do we trust them or not? Will they get good intel for us?Do we think they'll follow our interrogation rules?

Actually several have now been accepted into the Pakistani Military Academy down the road.

(PS I have a bad head cold right now, so yes, as a matter of fact, today I am a mouth-breather.)

This is no doubt costing the Left, University faculties, Progressive Jews, and EuroLeft considerable stress in having to shut up loyally to back their Man. Who just did an "extrajudicial execution on an unarmed man". And harming "innocent civilian terrorist wives" in the process. And of course violating the sovereignity of a country we are not at war with. In the Peak of American Arrogance and Sneering At Rule of Law!! (That is if a white conservative oppressor male Christianist had done so.)

Still, if you see some very grumpy people at the NY Times, ACLU HQ, and university lounges and Euroleft "Conferences on human rights" - you will know why.

"But wouldn't Obama have been using the same exact methods Bush used? Bush only gets credit if it works?"

Actually I have said several times in a couple of different threads that both Obama and Bush deserve some credit. Bush for starting the ball rolling by taking the fight to Afghanistan and through the use of enhanced interrogation techniques of captured enemy combatants at Gitmo, and Obama for following-through on what Bush started by continuing to work the issue and in finally approving direct action to kill the target.

The problem for the left, as I see it, is that they do not want to acknowledge two things. One, that Bush had anything to do with it at all, and two, that Obama used the tools that Bush helped create to get the result we had this week.

Instead they are tying themselves into knots trying to explain how Obama pulled this win out of thing air.

Radius of 300 km would be an area of 260,000 sq. km. Not much help.BTW nobody was waterboarded at Gitmo. It was done elsewhere. KSM fwlt free to talk after he talked first time. Big stuff libs all for targeted killing. Holder feared a trial would destroy administration.

edu-whatever - "I was referring to Little Zero and Company blowing any political bump from this."

It just happened two days ago, numbnut.

Polling cycles are three days, so we can get a feel for it. Flash polls can get results immediately -this isn't 1948. No indication Little Zero gets much. The military and The Company, as it should be, get the cred.

As for it not being Obama's "team"...since when does Cheney have any input these days?

It was Obama's ability to make the right decision, his security team for organizing the operation, and of course, the Navy Seals who pulled it off.

Zero has done more to inhibit ops like this, going back to '05 with his anti-war garbage and obstructionism, like the rest of the Demos than he did to help. This started on Dubya's watch and continued through the use of his policies.

The case can be made this succeeded in spite of Zero, not because of him.

As for Cheney's input, they are HIS personal assassination squad, as the Lefties loved to put it when they hated the Administration.

Instead of continuing to whine and bitch about everything Obama, why not step back and give everybody involved their due?

As for calling the president "Little Zero"...well, he appears to have his career more on track than any of the assholes here every day, denigrating him and the office.

Denigrating the office??

Who here uses the phrase Little Georgie? Who here never gives credit to Cheney or Rumsfeld or Rice (oh, yeah, unless he has to weasel out of the effectiveness of waterborading)?

As for career on track, take a look at the value of the dollar, unemployment, or prices. Little Zero has the country on track the same way as Wile E Coyote - right into a solid rock wall.

"BTW nobody was waterboarded at Gitmo. It was done elsewhere. KSM fwlt free to talk after he talked first time. Big stuff libs all for targeted killing. Holder feared a trial would destroy administration."

Yes, of course you're right. I meant using enhanced techniques away from Gitmo and regular interviews at Gitmo (and for establishing it and Obama keeping it open).

Why the completely different versions that keep coming out? All it does is provide fodder for people to generate more doubts and conspiracy theories. (although maybe those people don't need any help, they'll just do it on their own...but it still makes our government look bad to keep changing the details of the mission).

Is our government that inept that they couldn't get the story straight the first time? Find out what the story is and stick to it. Or alternatively make it up to suit your purposes. Say that Obama was caught giving fellatio to a goat while wearing a sundress. Whatever. Just stick to the same story man!

A great big bomb and a gaping hole where once a house stood would have been good enough. We were sure he was there. Now, without a body there will still be rumors he isn't dead. Of course, take him out. He is an illegal enemy combatant. While I'm against the death penalty in general, shooting people who sworn themselves to being our enemies and killed our people is justified. Of course, if we were wrong, we say "dang, well, we'll get'em next time". Are you sure you want to live near him?

So anybody recall that in the first version of Star Wars Hans Solo shot the bounty hunter without warning. In the second, the bounty hunter appears to be drawing his weapon, and Solo is responding in self-defense. The changing stories rather reminds me of that.

I honestly don't care if torture led to his capture, if he was going for a weapon, if he resisted, or whatever. He was a war criminal. We don't negotiate with terrorists. He tortured thousands of people for over 10 years (Before the 9/11 attack). Our military and administration did what they had to do. Republicans who are complaining about the lack of rights because they murdered Bin Laden; they don't want their 2nd amendment right taken away. Shut up :) He's dead. Now just destroy the rest of that insane organization that he led. Who cares about what politics have to say. Do what's right for the world rather than our reputation.

chickelit said...But isn't Wikileaks rather unilateral? In other words, it's just a weapon for truth for one side.

Whatever it takes to get at the truth, I'm for. Not just in all cases, but especially in this case, wherein the whole country was grievously wounded by a religion posing as one man.

Our government has no right to secrecy when such secrecy is only designed to appease the so-called moderate Muslims, at the expense of Americans.

I am incensed that the Obama administration observed Islamic law, such is their duplicitous position when it comes to truth vs. actions.

On the morning of 9/11, my 12-year-old nephew called me in a state of shock and fear. He wanted to know what was going on - why passenger jets were flying into the World Trade Center (where I had taken him just the year before). And he wasn't the only 12-year old profoundly affected by the events of 9/11.

Now we come these ten years later to tell all those 12-year olds they have no right to know. That we must, by virtue of incompetence and fear, defer to Islam.

I love watching silly little jeremy giggling about an event where Obama used intelligence gathered from "enhanced interrogation" (nee, torture) to send an assassination squad into a sovereign country that poses no imminent threat to America to blow up a home while shooting everyone inside.

PS, Obama has signed off on more assassination's than all the other Nobel peace prize winners combined.

"Obama himself slid down the rope into Bin Laden's chambers, only to find Donald Trump and Goldstein playing cards with OBL. They panicked at The One's Greatness and shoved OBL into Obama's line of fire, then fled out the back door"