Wednesday, August 6, 2014

Highsec Cyberspace Law, Part 2

Previously, on MinerBumping... After illegal miner jollena Khema lost her Mackinaw, she aired her grievances with Agent Arden Elenduil. jollena threatened to get the entire New Order banned. Arden wasn't impressed--until jollena revealed the true extent of her power: She was a cyberspace paralegal!

jollena Khema > quit spinning something that you cannot win here, i'm a paralegal, and hold a MS from St. Norberts University in wisconsin for Information Security & Cyber Security (that includes specific classes in IT laws).Arden Elenduil > And it is still the game developers that have the final wordjollena Khema > devs may set the general rules but for specific cases like this one....... i'm sure i'll win

With her education and experience with highsec space law, jollena could bring down the New Order once and for all. Even CCP devs would be bent to her will.

Arden Elenduil > I'm actually quite convinced of the oppositejollena Khema > CODE and its affilates don't "own" hi-sec space, nor can they enforce their will upon those who have no interest in CODE or its affialtes beliefs.Arden Elenduil > code can claim ownership, and if they can enforce it in the environment of highsec, then that's perfectly fineArden Elenduil > in lowsec or wormhole space, one can't "claim" space in the way nullsec alliances canArden Elenduil > but they enforce their rule

jollena was supremely confident in her legal training, but Arden was equally confident in the power of the Code. And he, too, had an impressive highsec education: The school of MinerBumping. He destroyed jollena's "can't own highsec" argument in a flash.

jollena Khema > the law of nullsec and what was 0.0: shoot first and you don't have to ask questions laterArden Elenduil > in highsec it's the same, it's just that the rules of engagement and ways of enforcing are differentArden Elenduil > anyone can grab a catalyst and go on a rampage in the beltsArden Elenduil > shooting first and not bothering to ask questions laterjollena Khema > just because your propaganda says so doesn't make it so

jollena was taken completely by surprise. It was obvious she hadn't been keeping up with the latest MinerBumping literature. Big mistake.

Arden Elenduil > it's approved gameplay by the developers themselvesjollena Khema > i won't speak ill of the devs, although their not very keen on every potential consequence of a decisionjollena Khema > every policy has unintended consequences, their not immediate but its thereArden Elenduil > and what would you call the unintended consequences of this situation?jollena Khema > allowing CODE and its affiliates free reign to do as they wish wheneverjollena Khema > CODE's behavior is an example of unintended consequences of a policy

Arden won the first round, but jollena wouldn't give up without a fight. The space law debate continued.

Arden Elenduil > wardecs, in effect, are also non consensual pvpArden Elenduil > would you ban wardecs aswell?jollena Khema > wardecs are part of the game and that is accepted, what isn't is having to pay for a "permit" to enjoy a specific part of this gamejollena Khema > your code doesn't state those who pay will have 100% immunity of being killed either......... no diffrent than a randsom wardecArden Elenduil > the code does promise safety from code ganks (and only code ganks) IF those that purchased the permit adhere to the codeArden Elenduil > if they are spotted violating the code, their permit will be revoked immediatelyjollena Khema > nothing says that they can be called AFK just for the sake of ganking them, tell me how does killing a bunch of miners make your kill boards look wonderful?

Arden continued to gain ground. In desperation, jollena injected some sarcasm. But things weren't looking good for the anti-Order space lawyer. She was losing on her own turf.

jollena Khema > i played that bull@#$% game comming back from low-sec on my other account the jackass started blasting me while the game was transitioning me to hi-secArden Elenduil > eh, what do you mean?jollena Khema > he thought i was an easy target because i had been "AFK" but insted was waiting the ms lag to "gate" into another starsystemArden Elenduil > what did you lose?jollena Khema > about 300 isk for repairs

Out of nowhere, jollena complained about someone causing her to spend 300 isk during a routine jump. Yes, a carebear will even complain about losing 300 isk in PvP. Now you see why a 10 million isk permit is such an obstacle for many.

jollena Khema > as for my death i wasn't bumped as is custom and law by your agents, they just showed up and blasted awayArden Elenduil > could you please link your killmail?jollena Khema > Kill: jollena Khema (Mackinaw)jollena Khema > Kill: jollena Khema (Capsule)Arden Elenduil > and you say this happened on a gate?jollena Khema > no that happened in AydoteauxArden Elenduil > ah, so they were 2 completely unrelated events?jollena Khema > yesjollena Khema > i didn't even have time to warp out let alone get my engines online

Despite her legal skills, jollena was beginning to sound like every other two-bit bot-aspirant in highsec. It was the old "not enough warning" complaint. Even her zero-align-time Capsule couldn't get out before being shot.

jollena Khema > your code also requires your "victims" to be bumped to verify their afk, this didn't happen.... thus the problemArden Elenduil > actually, that's not trueArden Elenduil > some decide to give a few warning bumpsArden Elenduil > others instantly decide to gankArden Elenduil > however, the bumps and convos are "courtesies"jollena Khema > yeah and that is a problem for me, see your gank squads just kill without care and without reguard for your code of honorjollena Khema > i don't need a stinking permit to fly let alone live in hi-sec, what part of that don't you get...... CCP dev's didn't write in their rules that James 315's laws are final and those who don't pay for protection will be destroyed

jollena put the whole system on trial. Unless the EULA said people could be ganked for not having a permit, she wouldn't buy one.

jollena Khema > and those that do pay for protection aren't guarenteed 100% saftey even when you do follow themArden Elenduil > the only place in eve that is 100% safe is inside the stationjollena Khema > again undeclred corp war randsomArden Elenduil > sorry?jollena Khema > only diffrence is your not targeting a corp your targeting the mining communityjollena Khema > i'm getting bored to death of trying to help you understand this shouldn't have happened as CODE doesn't OWN hi-sec space, and let your friends know that i'll be bringing along much heavier firepower to protect my assets in the field

At last, the legal argument was over. Not because Arden won every point, mind you, but because jollena was getting bored. (A wise MinerBumping reader will see through this diguise, as highsec mining is far more boring!) Having been out-spacelawyered, jollena appealed to the law of the jungle. She would unleash her most powerful ship against the Order.

Arden Elenduil > would you mind giving me a sneak peak as to what said heavier firepower is?jollena Khema > no but its going to be much bigger than really cheap Catalyst your suicide squad usesArden Elenduil > also, code has laid its claim over highsecjollena Khema > only because you've frightened everyone into paying but meArden Elenduil > and i take it you're an experienced pvper?jollena Khema > i amArden Elenduil > i've looked up your character on the killboardsjollena Khema > you know my charecter, but not the other account i've gotjollena Khema > the other "box" has ships on it that would and should frighten your gank squads

Not for the first time, a carebear suddenly claimed to be a skilled PvP'er. Not the character she was speaking with, of course. That character could do nothing but mine in highsec.

Arden Elenduil > well, you see, i have a bit of an issue, well issue's a big word, with boasts such as thatArden Elenduil > the line "other account/other character" has been used so wearily oftenArden Elenduil > that it simply holds no credibility anymorejollena Khema > the other charecter is cloaked, and nukes your gank squad the second they fire upon the minerjollena Khema > just one painful idea you can facejollena Khema > if i could bring the dread into the system your gank squad would run wetting itself like little 3 yr old scared

The former Mackinaw pilot spun visions of terror. Her cloaked ships could appear anywhere, at any time. And only the limitations of highsec kept her mighty dreadnought fleet at bay.

Arden Elenduil > question: what is the max number of targets of a properly fitted dreadnaught?Arden Elenduil > max number of ships you can lockjollena Khema > with my skills i can only take on 4 at a timeArden Elenduil > aaaand bustedArden Elenduil > you don't even have a dreadArden Elenduil > how do i know this? because a properly fitted dread can lock a maximum of 2 targets with a tech 1 siege module, and 3 with a tech 2Arden Elenduil > and this is a hard limitjollena Khema > even hard limits have an exceptionArden Elenduil > do telljollena Khema > now i grow bored of dealing with a person who wants to controll the universe through fear and terror. Enjoy your time of "control" as it is quickly dissapearing. "Die Quick, often, and poor"

jollena terminated the conversation. As she flounced away, she warned that the New Order's victory was fleeting. Eventually, however, she must have received a response to her petition. CCP wasn't going to ban the New Order for ganking her Mackinaw.

...Which left only one alternative. If you can't beat us (and you can't), join us.

*sarcasm* Yeah, CCP goes out of their way to give a highsec carebear miner an advantage on a ship that is (mostly) used to shot POS's in low-/nullsec so they can scare away ganking catalysts. *sarcasm off*

And mostly, Bravo to the the literary virtuoso that continues to add their high quality writing skills to this blog each and every day. Minerbumping and the exploits of the Code's Heroes are truly what makes Eve a game worth subscribing too.

Now hear this, I pledge to *legally* mine 1 Billion ISK worth of goods so that I may transfer said ISK into something truly valuable, Shares of the New Order. It is the least I can do, to give back to an organization that selflessly raises the quality of living within High-Sec.

And I fully expect to have the Code enforced upon me should I deviate from the law and order set forth by the Code, and will happily exclaim "GF" in local should I be terminated.

Normally a family, good relationships and adoring children bring people tears of joy but you get yours from code? Good for you but it makes you a very sad, depressed, self loathing individual with no life and you are to be pitied. Is that clear enough for you?

DJ marks his boyfriends again but DJ I made you cry and bite your pillow and you said you loved me? But anyway you get 1/10, from what I heard your penis is too small so your boyfriends are complaining so get that penile extentsion you always dreamed off and then maybe you will be doing something real instead of looking for constant attention on Eve.

I like to make ship explode, and try and surround myself with ppl I like. Still on the outskirts, doing my own EVE career without having joined sides - yet - but a big percentage of the AG bunch seem to lack intelligence, manners and arguments - carry on CODE. - more supporters (and hopefully future agents) coming your way.

I've been too busy mining 2,000,000m³ of James 315's ore (his claim) over the last two or three days to post here. I dunno who the anonymous troller is, but good job man. You got him thinking it was me.

The only "ship" that you can make explode is when I give you a hot protein tonsil wash which came up from my balls. Sorry, but you are like Loyalanon aka Wolf Soprano: You fail at child care, you fail at wife care, you fail in you job, you fail in life, and you fail in eve. I guess that's why your wife left you and took the kids with her. You getting fired from your job so now you've become a fat lazy slob living in your parents basement showing your impotent rage all over the internet by posting on an irrelevant forum. In game, you have to gank some defenseless miner because you are too scared to take on a real fight against a player who will shoot back at you.

Not at all. Get your fact straight: Where did I make such a claim? If anything, I claimed that James 315 and Erotica 1 were gay for each other, put into your own twisted format so you can understand it.

So Loyalamoron, has the state taken your kids away yet. I'm surprized that you even found a woman who would bring herself down so low as to allow herself to be creampied by you and get pregnant.

Instead of being born, you should have been aborted. Trust me, the world would have been a better place without you.

I also fuck Vile Rat's corpse in the ass whenever I get the chance. So go chew on that for awhile. The only thing you can do to me is try to give me witty comments from behind your computer. Your rage is meaningless to me because I can type whatever I want, however I want.

Yeah sure you have Erotica 1 and Jerry Rin - both proved psychopaths, both who got banned at certain points for very questionable behaviour and you have people like loyal who insult someone's dead wife - yeah code sure are normal LMAO

And now try to turn it around perp, but when evidence proves it is true and you still can't see it then that makes you the psychopath

However, it's best not to feed this anonymous troll. He was funny at first, but now the best he can manage is a -2/10 -- Perhaps we need to all pitch in and raise the $10USD to get him a Something Awful forum membership so he can learn from the pros?

You know we should really make bingo cards or something given the amount of times I've heard those comments thrown at the CODE guys. It's funny yet kinda sad that carebears constantly try to judge CODE enforcers by a metric they themselves fail utterly at.

For the record, and so people understand where I'm coming from when I say what I'm about to say, I'm a member of one of the larger pirate alliances in lowsec. We live and breath pvp every time we log in and you know what, I have nothing but respect for CODE and what they do. I think its a sign of a healthy sandbox that devious minds can still find a niche to work out of and find the obnoxious whining and rampant hypocracy of the AG crowd to be tedious at best and at worst its downright nauseating.

Well said Darek. I find most of the Anon's here to be little bitches. Common trolls. Gutless. They are about a s bright as a pineapple. Personally, I don't like pineapples. As a Admin on another forum, there is only one way to deal with them, ban them. Here... I would suggest dis-allowing making comments anonymously... don't have the guts to step up, then you should shut up.

Normally a family, good relationships and adoring children bring people tears of joy but you get yours from code? Good for you but it makes you a very sad, depressed, self loathing individual with no life and you are to be pitied. Is that clear enough for you?

Where is your Code equivalent? If the Code is so wrong, and you are so righteous, where is your champion organization to deliver you from oppression?

Are none of you willing? Are none of you capable? As long as the Code is full of doers, and the Carebears full of complainers, how will you ever hope to succeed? When will the day come that one of you shows some ambition? Some leadership? Let me know, and I just might lend you my sword.

The most effective foes we've ever had who earned our respect by actually fighting us in space and not anonomously on this site. I miss these players like I miss agents who have stopped playing eve. Class acts and good people despite their play style. You anti-gankers should aspire to be as deadly as they were in space.

+1 to this. I miss the good old days where our enemies would turn off the tears and actually give us a fight. Sadly enough, it does not happen anymore. Of the new that even bother, they are just so awful at EVE that it's like they are not even there.

Was once using wormhole chains to get to gank systems. After a successful gank we were coming back to the wh in our pods and Sara Flynt was there. After we were done crapping our pants, we knew we wouldn't be ganking from that hole again. Sara Flynt is that scary good.

are you in politics? you did a great job of totally avoiding answering the question. you only help prove that the carebears whine with statements like "nothing more dire, more cowardly and more boring than ganking"