I'm partly playing Devil's advocate here, but I'm also struggling to actually think of a western cartoon series that isn't either aimed at children, or a comedy that uses "adult humour" at least to some degree. For all I know, there aren't any, and this whole page is just complaining that the Japanese make cartoons for grownups and we don't.

I think that's a fair assessment of the trope, there's a perception of adult animation just being crass or vulgar and the trope tries to lay out that it's not but doesn't bother to prove how, instead it's a lament that western animation is just what perceptions say (as long as that perception is limited to television series from the US) and doesn't really cover any other kind of animation including anime.

Feel like it's a bit off course as it's not clear about the point it's trying to make and if the base point is "adult animation isn't all vulgar dick jokes, it can be mature and thoughtful" then it's going about it in a horrible way.

I'm in favour of cutting the page. Looking at the discussion page, I was leaning in that direction on June 4th 2010 and it appears the page has improve in no single way to support its supposed basis for existence.

A) that's what I would give it, a mention on Animation Age Ghetto because that does have an effect on adult animation shows and their need to be explicit to differentiate themselves

B) It picks up on the point that is the most projective-adult animation still has an immature image- whereas there are more solid points in the fact that an adult animation probably really needs to sell its "adult" ness. I would rewrite it to make a more substantial argument.

Don't just tell us the facts; tell us the memes, tell us the archetypes, tell us the catchy ideas and symbolic roles that get planted in pe

There are only two good examples on the page. That, for me, is enough to support a cut, without even going into the name issue. I would not say it's covered by Animation Age Ghetto, though - that one's about the idea that all animation is for children.

This one is about the perception that all adult-aimed animation is childish but in a far less sanitised way. I think there's a trope here but it's like a subtrope of AAG and how this trope words it actually muddles the meaning it wants to convey with a rant.

A cut doesn't feel right because there's really something legitimate to it in my eyes and of course to the inbound linkers but it's resting on a cultural divide argument just like AAG does and needs a better name and a better analysis of what it means to say.

I declined the cut on this one. It has 148 inbound links. If it's going to be renamed and tightened up, the old name should be made a redirect and the wicks cleaned up. Therefore I've starred the thread. Finish up the work, please.

...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.

Yeah, that was explained ... with an odd reason. We never even had a rename crowner. Is Mad thinking of another trope...?

If not, I think it's pretty clear that as with Vasquez Always Dies, it's getting inbounds despite the name, for (in this case, relatively clear) reasons that say little to nothing about whether it's a quality name or is appropriate for the trope.

Guess that crowner and vote was a waste of time then. It might be better if moderators would just step in and cut a crowner short if they are just going to overrule the result of a crowner anyway. Then we could have a crowner and vote on whatever options the moderator will allow us.

Cast your judgement on the appropriate course of action for this page.

9 (yeas:14 nays:5) 2.80 : 1

Cut

Cut the page due to its inappropriateness for this wiki. This may be argued for on the basis of the idea not being distinct enough from the Animation Age Ghetto, the concept being too elusive to properly construct a page, or for the concept simple not having a ground enough basis in reality.

0 (yeas:7 nays:7)

Rewrite/Redefine

Rewrite the page to have a clear definition which may alter or be perceived to alter the current definition and/or change what should be included as an example.

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