teenytinycornteeth:DROxINxTHExWIND: Theaetetus: DROxINxTHExWIND: You know, I think I like this guy. At least he's not the type of pussy to make racist comments anonymously and then backtrack when he gets called on it.

As opposed to making sexist comments anonymously?

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Yeah, there's no way that negatively referring to a human being as a piece of female anatomy, intimating that to be such a piece of anatomy is to be weak or inadequate could be considered sexist!

FlashHarry:how the fark is this thread nearly 400 comments long? is there actually some debate as to whether or not this racist piece of filth has the right to deny service to people based on their skin color or sexual orientation?

Best place I've ever eaten! Gary served me a huge plate of steak before asking me to come to the back and check out his other "meats". I'll definitely be going back for the "Closet Case Cake" and the famous "Obama Fries". Oh, and don't be fooled by the articles saying he discriminates. Just give him a wink or flash some chest hair and watch that silver fox jump into a leotard and lipstick faster than you can say "John Wayne".

Oklahoma is the only State to have its Capital stolen and moved in the middle of the night from Guthrie to Oklahoma City. Also Guthrie has an original Carnegie Library and the Largest Masonic Temple in the World. Watonga, OK has more rattle snakes than people.

Boise City, Oklahoma was the only city in the United States to be bombed in WWII. On Monday night, July 5, 1943, at 12:30 a.m., a B-17 Bomber based at Dalhart Army Air Base, Texas, dropped six practice bombs on the sleeping town, mistaking the city lights as target lights.

So you're the self appointed "fix other people's problems" guy eh? Good to know your house is 100% squared away.

El_Perro: The Civil Rights Act and ADA disagree.

I suppose so. Good to see that we are about to spend a bunch of money trying to change an asshole in Enid Oklahoma that you and I never knew existed before today.

Me too. Iove it when society makes examples of people who don't belong in human society. It's the same thing as the way you feel when a homeowner shoots a 13 year old black kid in the back for stealing a hubcap.

Magorn:Apparently he's not up on recent developments in the law, like say the public accomodation clause of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. And I can just see him trying to claim he's not REALLy a racist in court and the opposing attorney producing "The restaurant's official t-shirt" "{which} makes it clear that a "f*ggot" isn't welcome in James's establishment. It features that word, the N-word, and threatens violence against Muslims, Democrats, and members of many minority groups. "

I almost want to see that shirt now, and a picture of someone who thinks wearing it would be a good idea

There's a few photos around 1:50 in the video.

A sit-in by a bunch of wounded and disabled veterans from Fort Sill should be good for some lulz.

Rapmaster2000:dr_blasto: Dancin_In_Anson: dr_blasto: Society is under no obligation to allow business like this to exist

Who gets to decide this?

His community licenses his business and can revoke that license. That community is under no obligation to license discriminatory businesses and, since that community is part of a much larger national community, they may be obligated to distribute licenses based on national laws as well. The restaurant is also likely required to be ADA-accessible, so, he needs to make sure he is able to serve "cripples" or he's going to run into some other problems.

Enid isn't obligated to license an all-night open-air live rock club in the middle of some residential neighborhood either, so the imaginary all-night open-air live rock club needs to find an accommodating community or zoning. Just like nutty bigot guy, subject of TFA. He needs to find the appropriate community that allows his rules, if that's Belize and not the US, well, he's free to move there.

Who says so!? That's not freedom to me.

/just preparing you for the rebuttal

I wonder if he'd be mad if someone started a pig farm next door to him and city hall didn't allow cranky white libertarians in.

And public accommodation. That's a type of private establishment that is open to the public for people to shop or eat. It is accessible, and in that sense is not private.

Then by that definition there is no such thing as a private business.

Yes, exactly.

It's a privately-OWNED business. That only means he owns it, not shareholders or other people. What you're thinking of is a private membership club. They can exclude whoever they want, but that also comes with certain conditions.

This guy's business is privately-owned, not a private membership club.

Rapmaster2000:4tehsnowflakes: Magnanimous_J: While I believe that all morality is completely relative in a philosophical sense, only a total sociopath lives that way. I think that's an important distinction.

As is the subtler distinction between the total sociopath, on the one hand, and the many good and noble folks with mild to severe sociopathic tendencies, a/k/a the inhabitants of Fark.

Warlordtrooper:jso2897: Warlordtrooper: Magorn: Apparently he's not up on recent developments in the law, like say the public accomodation clause of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. And I can just see him trying to claim he's not REALLy a racist in court and the opposing attorney producing "The restaurant's official t-shirt" "{which} makes it clear that a "f*ggot" isn't welcome in James's establishment. It features that word, the N-word, and threatens violence against Muslims, Democrats, and members of many minority groups. "

I almost want to see that shirt now, and a picture of someone who thinks wearing it would be a good idea

Please explain how womans only gysm avoid the public accomidation clause of the Civil Rights act. If a gym can restrict its patrons based on gender then a business can restrict its patrons based on anything.

You are aware that men-only gyms and bathhouses are also legal, I presume?

Yes but every time somebody tries to start a male only club it becomes a huge issue with feminists screaming discrimination across the entire internet.

You should come check out my Men's Rights subreddit. It's about time we stood up to the rampant discrimination guys like us face every day. I haven't had a date in five years!

Kiwimann:FlashHarry: how the fark is this thread nearly 400 comments long? is there actually some debate as to whether or not this racist piece of filth has the right to deny service to people based on their skin color or sexual orientation?

Lol, I came in here wondering the same thing. I think they're now discussing whether or not Oklahoma is part of "The South".

I'm arguing that fark progressives do seem to think that everyone else should progress to their enlightened way of thinking ("racists are filth!" Everyone knows that!"), and how that really is a form of cultural imperialism.

Because I'm very, very bored, and fark progressives are easily offended.

I'm willing to hear your point of view, but could you phrase it in a way that doesn't sound like beat poetry as expressed through tweets? There doesn't seem to be any substance in whatever you just said. Please elaborate, using sentences combined into paragraphs to express a complex opinion.

Dancin_In_Anson:Bloody William: In fact, I'm repeating what I said... to you, that you ignored and continue to ignore for the sake of your bullshiat argument that preventing discrimination based on certain groups is the same as preventing any discretion on accepting customers on the part of a business.

So great. Now blacks can eat at the lunch counter at Woolworths. Why in Buddha, Allah, Brahma, Vishnu, Siva, trees, mushrooms, and Isadora Duncan's name would they even want to at that point? Why would YOU? You have changed nothing about the people involved, you have not changed any minds or hearts. But now everyone can give Woolworth their money and Woolworth will begrudgingly take it. I think you and I have the same goal in mind just a different view of how to accomplish it.

Nobody is trying to change a racist or stop him/her from having racist feelings. I don't know why that's so hard to understand. The owner can be as racist as a watermelon in a noose and still provide equally adequate customer service to a black person. You know, I knid of LIKE going out to eat without checking the farking Yelp page to see if the resturant I'm headed to acceots Negros. I know you just can't grasp why that might be a good thing to me, but it is.

Or blow outrage all over web forums because that's actually doing something about this. May as well pray.

Speaking out against injustice is no small act. Even if it is to those who feel the same way, it reinforces the sense of equality. For those who may be on the fence, reading the comments of those who don't abide by evil helps to show them the light. I won't tacitly condone intolerance.

Speaking out against this guy is exactly the right thing to do. Protest outside his building. Publish pictures of everyone who comes out of his restaurant in the newspaper and label them as supporting a bigot.Shame the people who eat there so much they stop eating there and he goes out of business.

What I don't agree with is having a law that forces someone to do something with their privately owned business that they don't want to.

jso2897:sendtodave: jso2897: Magnanimous_J: The lesson from all of this is: You can be the most hateful person on the planet, just make sure you hate the right people.

The "right people" being pretty much limited to people who are evil, and do evil things.There is no point in pretending that hating evil, harmful people is analogous to hating people because of the color of their skin, or their handicapped status. I think it's odd, and suspicious, that someone would attempt to pretend that.

"Evil..?"

Seriously?

Well, I guess if you are gonna be moralistic, you shouldn't half ass it. I'm just not sure you are qualified to judge "good" or "evil" any more than that racist is.

Unless you think you are more advanced than he is.

That good ole American liberal hubris. The rest of the world just needs to catch up to your way of thinking.

What are you even talking about? Nobody is discriminating against this guy, and nobody is going to. Somebody may sue him, or boycott him, or publicly humiliate him - but that's not discrimination. I know you are trying to make some sort of stretched argumant from equivalence - but it just isn't there. And name-calling and blathering about "liberals" just makes you look stupid. If you can't really argue an issue, you won't fool anyone by pretending to.

Baloo Uriza:No-name establishment in one of the southern plains most progressive cities outs itself on regional television as a front for hate. Knowing the differences between Portland and OKC in terms of diversity and acceptance, I'm thinking this place will close faster than that bakery in Gresham that wouldn't make a wedding cake for a same-sex couple.

Congratulations, guy, hope you saved for retirement. Good luck with the ADA lawsuit.

HotWingConspiracy:Dancin_In_Anson: And before all you cool kids get your knickers in a twist over that look at it like this. Where you want to spend other peoples resources to make this asshole change, I see opportunity. Hell, build next to him and advertise to those that he would turn away! What a great marketing campaign AND you might even hurt his business. It's win all the way around!

Is your house in order? Why do you want to mess with this person?

Because the vast majority of bigots are cowards and wouldn't actually do anything beyond flap their big mouths and masturbate furiously to the thought of other people paying attention to them.

DROxINxTHExWIND:scottydoesntknow: teenytinycornteeth: DROxINxTHExWIND: Theaetetus: DROxINxTHExWIND: You know, I think I like this guy. At least he's not the type of pussy to make racist comments anonymously and then backtrack when he gets called on it.

As opposed to making sexist comments anonymously?

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Yeah, there's no way that negatively referring to a human being as a piece of female anatomy, intimating that to be such a piece of anatomy is to be weak or inadequate could be considered sexist!

Virtuoso80:Meh, if a restaurant want's to deliberately limit it's customer base, I say let them. Maybe we need laws for special circumstances (Ex. You have to let someone use your phone in case of an emergency), but otherwise I'm OK with racist business owners running racist businesses, just don't expect me to use their services.

Of course, it's guys like him who gripe the most about the imaginary discrimination i.e. The war on Christians/Christmas/Rednecks etc. SOS, it's the entire essence of the far right: a free pass to act any way they choose, while crying lil' biatches if someone sings a song all un-'murican. Someone needs to give this guy a Cleveland Steamer, post haste.

neversubmit:Oklahoma is the only State to have its Capital stolen and moved in the middle of the night from Guthrie to Oklahoma City. Also Guthrie has an original Carnegie Library and the Largest Masonic Temple in the World. Watonga, OK has more rattle snakes than people.

Boise City, Oklahoma was the only city in the United States to be bombed in WWII. On Monday night, July 5, 1943, at 12:30 a.m., a B-17 Bomber based at Dalhart Army Air Base, Texas, dropped six practice bombs on the sleeping town, mistaking the city lights as target lights.

What an insufferable d*ckbag. I don't wish bad things on anyone, but maybe he will lose the ability to walk and have to collect disability.

The horror!!

Not all Okies are arseholes, I swear. Sadly, there are people here who will applaud him and he may very well see an increase in business. Fark, if she could get away with it, the Governor might show up.

Apparently he's not up on recent developments in the law, like say the public accomodation clause of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. And I can just see him trying to claim he's not REALLy a racist in court and the opposing attorney producing "The restaurant's official t-shirt" "{which} makes it clear that a "f*ggot" isn't welcome in James's establishment. It features that word, the N-word, and threatens violence against Muslims, Democrats, and members of many minority groups. "

I almost want to see that shirt now, and a picture of someone who thinks wearing it would be a good idea