This guy is definitely a nominee. I realize that the 3.0 GPA put him in a tough spot, but you'd think that someone in the T50 would bite at that 177 LSAT score. And he submitted most of his apps in October and early November. Ouch.

This guy is definitely a nominee. I realize that the 3.0 GPA put him in a tough spot, but you'd think that someone in the T50 would bite at that 177 LSAT score. And he submitted most of his apps in October and early November. Ouch.

The ONLY schools he applied to before Jan 13th were T-14. He didn't apply to T15-T25 until late January, early February, so of course he hasn't heard back from the schools where he is a shoo-in. In about a month he'll have 5 or 6 acceptances from USC, UCLA, Cornell, Minnesota, etc.

Kind of surprised he didn't apply to Berkeley. Too late now.

*Edited for clarity.

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This guy is definitely a nominee. I realize that the 3.0 GPA put him in a tough spot, but you'd think that someone in the T50 would bite at that 177 LSAT score. And he submitted most of his apps in October and early November. Ouch.

I think NYU or Columbia might buy that LSAT. Not really sure.

They could, but at this point in the cycle this guy has earned at least a spot in the discussion

He ONLY applied to T-14 back in November. He didn't apply to T15-T25 until late January, early February, so of course he hasn't heard back from those schools. In about a month he'll have 5 or 6 acceptances from USC, UCLA, Cornell, Minnesota, etc.

Kind of surprised he didn't apply to Berkeley. Too late now.

Yeah but the lack of T14 love is pretty shocking with those numbers. If it was 1 or 2 schools it'd be normal, but it seems pretty uniform. NYU didn't even defer, they just straight rejected. It's really the uniformity of reactions that's disturbing. And November is not "ONLY" when its late February. I applied mid/late December last year with much dicier numbers and already had answers from a bunch of T14's by this point (including some acceptances).

Sure, disappointment is relative. But all I meant was to give him a friendly reminder that things could be worse, a lot worse, and he's probably got more good news coming than bad.

If you're talking about the OP, his cycle looks ridiculously bad for his numbers.

OP - if I were you I'd immediately:1) review my application materials2) if at all feasible, mention the poor cycle thus far to recommenders and see if they volunteer any thoughts on why that might be3) google yourself and see if there's anything terribly offensive that comes up

Good luck!

+1I have to agree with this. I would pull up your applications on LSAC and review them. With numbers like yours, there must be some glaring error or inadequacy in your applications. Also, what's your PS look like? I wish you the best of luck on the rest of your cycle. And if I were you, I'd throw in some apps to some other schools before the deadlines pass.

I think applicants like this suggest that the prevailing logic that all schools care about are numbers isn't entirely true. Maybe these people bs'd their personal statements, or had terrible LOR's, or they were just plain uninteresting (encyclopediabrown admits to having no EC's at all). I really do think that law schools, no matter how dedicated to high numbers, want well-rounded interesting candidates.

I think applicants like this suggest that the prevailing logic that all schools care about are numbers isn't entirely true. Maybe these people bs'd their personal statements, or had terrible LOR's, or they were just plain uninteresting (encyclopediabrown admits to having no EC's at all). I really do think that law schools, no matter how dedicated to high numbers, want well-rounded interesting candidates.

I think you're right. Still, I'm surprised that there haven't been at least a couple of lower T1 schools that accepted him anyway.

This guy is definitely a nominee. I realize that the 3.0 GPA put him in a tough spot, but you'd think that someone in the T50 would bite at that 177 LSAT score. And he submitted most of his apps in October and early November. Ouch.

I think NYU or Columbia might buy that LSAT. Not really sure.

They could, but at this point in the cycle this guy has earned at least a spot in the discussion

Even though they have the same effect on GPA median as someone .01 below, schools are very cautious to take extreme splitters (save for maybe Northwestern if you have a 170+ and substantial work experience). There are just too many candidates with slightly lower LSATs and significantly better GPAs that seem like a safer bet.

Even though they have the same effect on GPA median as someone .01 below, schools are very cautious to take extreme splitters (save for maybe Northwestern if you have a 170+ and substantial work experience). There are just too many candidates with slightly lower LSATs and significantly better GPAs that seem like a safer bet.

This creates a dilemma- getting YPed by lower schools yet having too low a GPA for top schools to take a chance on.

Don't give up yet, were almost numbers twins and though I've had better luck *knock on wood* with a few of those schools, your numbers are too good to ignore, I mean, the 172 alone is awesome, but your GPA isn't a 3.2 or 3.1, its above a 3.5, some T14s should definitely bite, and I remember you had some posts where you had mentioned writing the "why" essays in order to avoid yield protection, as well as the submission dates for your T14s are all pretty early in the cycle so you did all you could and a school is definitely going to accept you in the T14 if not a few more as well as Im sure one or two of those waitlists will open up for you with those numbers. And from what I've seen on TLS, you're an all around nice guy and I know there's a lot of skepticism and pessimism on the TLS board but a deserving nice guy like yourself will get in somewhere good

This guy is definitely a nominee. I realize that the 3.0 GPA put him in a tough spot, but you'd think that someone in the T50 would bite at that 177 LSAT score. And he submitted most of his apps in October and early November. Ouch.

Yeah the GMU ding, IMO, makes him the front-runner (pending some of the one's he's still waiting on).

LieutKaffee wrote: Last cycle before my retake I went 0/6 in a cycle where I applied to several schools ranked in the 50-80 range.

I realize that your 172 is a retake, but I'm assuming that your previous score was in the 160s somewhere? If that's the case, you should have gotten into at least one of those 50-80 schools. Hell, even in the 150s you could have gotten into one of the 70-80 ranks.

When you add that cycle to this one, I strongly suspect that something is wrong with your application. If you've looked it over multiple times and found no errors, perhaps one of your LORs is a dud? Maybe your PS comes off as elitist or entitled without you realizing? I'm not trying to insult you in any way, I'm just trying to brainstorm things that could be wrong that you'd be likely to miss. The only way to get you back on track is to pinpoint what's wrong.

LieutKaffee wrote: Last cycle before my retake I went 0/6 in a cycle where I applied to several schools ranked in the 50-80 range.

I realize that your 172 is a retake, but I'm assuming that your previous score was in the 160s somewhere? If that's the case, you should have gotten into at least one of those 50-80 schools. Hell, even in the 150s you could have gotten into one of the 70-80 ranks.

When you add that cycle to this one, I strongly suspect that something is wrong with your application. If you've looked it over multiple times and found no errors, perhaps one of your LORs is a dud? Maybe your PS comes off as elitist or entitled without you realizing? I'm not trying to insult you in any way, I'm just trying to brainstorm things that could be wrong that you'd be likely to miss. The only way to get you back on track is to pinpoint what's wrong.