Simple Solution to Statue Dilemma: Ban Statues, Tear Them All Down

In the US, a statue of Robert E. Lee has to go. In the UK, activists want to take down a statue of Admiral Horatio Nelson. In the Mideast, ISIS toppled the 800 years old Grand Mosque of al-Nuri in Mosul.

The Robert E. Lee Sculpture is an outdoor bronze equestrian statue of Robert E. Lee and his horse Traveller. Commissioned in 1917 and forged in 1924, it is located in Charlottesville, Virginia’s Emancipation Park (formerly Lee Park) in the Charlottesville and Albemarle County Courthouse Historic District. It was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1997.

in March 2016, Charlottesville’s vice mayor Wes Bellamy called on Charlottesville City Council to remove the statue and rename Lee Park. He claimed that the statue’s presence “disrespected” parts of the community and that he had “spoken with several different people who have said they have refused to step foot into that park because of what that statue and the name of that park represents. And we can’t have that in the city of Charlottesville”

Local NAACP head Rick Turner spoke in support of removal, calling Lee a “terrorist”. Others accused the city council and Bellamy of disregarding Lee’s historical significance and how important he was to Virginia, of sowing division, and of trying to rewrite history. A petition to remove the statue was initiated, with wording saying the statue represented “hate” and was a “subliminal message of racism.”

On July 8, 2017, the Ku Klux Klan held a rally in Charlottesville protesting the city’s plan to remove the statue. The approximately 50 Klansmen were met by several hundred counter-protesters. The police used tear gas to disperse the crowd, and made 23 arrests.

On August 12, 2017, during the Unite the Right rally, clashes broke out between supporters of the statue, who marched under Neo-Nazi flags and shouted slogans including “Jews will not replace us”, and counter protesters. During the rally, counter-protester Heather Heyer was killed and 19 injured by a car ramming attack.

And please, try to avoid words like “mother” and “father” unless you can say “mother and father” together. Yes, the article states that.

Gee, is there an order for this? Yes, there is. It better be random. Always saying mother first could get you in trouble. The article did not say but the phrase “ladies and gentlemen” clearly has to go.

Political Correctness

In retrospect, my simple solution to the statue dilemma is not quite so simple.

In the name of political correctness, damn near everything would have to go. We would even new standards for allowable children’s name.

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The Statues are a red herring , being used by Neo-Nazis ,KKK members and White Supremacists as a pretext for their marches. They say they are marching to protest this, but the videos of the marches show people screaming “jews will not replace us” followed by “blood and soil”. The whole argument is one big distraction that too many want to have as a way of getting away from the Nazi march in Virginia.

But to the extent that there are some people who find Confederate statues offensive, then who cares? Take them down, They are not founding fathers of the United States and the whole confederacy and civil war was about two things, slavery and states rights, the former much more than the latter. Jefferson B Davis and Robert E Lee is not the same thing as Thomas Jefferson and George Washington who are not defined by his owning slaves.

Not as long as governments are allowed to have a say, any say, in what statues are built, where they are built,for what reason etc., etc. As long as government can involve itself, it will, since they can always get some idiot who doesn’t like a particular statue or street name or name to support them by getting involved.

The only way to end the idiocy, is to limit government, so they have no say. As in, can’t remove a statue celebrating 9/11 killers, drug dealing and pedophilia, even with a 100% yay “vote.” IOW, become a country that bear some semblance to a free one again. One where free speech is at least somewhat respected.

Until then, we will remain a nation of almost exclusively useless, worthless expendables, incapable of doing anything more than crying like children to Daddy Gommiment to say and do something mean to someone else.

Nazis marching scares me. I’m afraid that with my weak and simple mind I might become enamored of their logic and then myself begin spouting such hateful rhetoric.
We should be protected from such RISK, freedom has gone to far! Our constitution has failed us as it does not allow our government to protect us as it should, inferring rights and privileges upon people who I do not agree. I feel insecure being exposed to ideas contrary to those I have comfortably become accustomed to after years of loving progressive indoctrination.
Make it stop. Do not make me drive by statues that remind me that such hateful and disagreeable people exist, even if in very small numbers.

Donated by haters and future Trump voters.
Logical fallacy of association makes us ALL racists if we go so far as to simply support our constitutional rights. This is how far the madness has gone. The living document is dying…slowly at first, and then…all of the sudden.

correct…we are all APES…Apprehensive Pattern seeking Emotional Story tellers..concepts like human rights and equality are figments of the imagination…why should humans have more rights than animals?…sapiens means wise…go figure

I’m confused. The antifa’s would ban speech they disagree with and statues of people they have a grudge against. Obviously they will soon want the banning of the books that they disagree with. But who are the most famous people that burned books they disagreed with? The nazis, of course. So the anti-fascists are behaving like fascists. I’m so confused.

When criminal damage to public property, a crime in every jurisdiction, is not only advocated, but performed with no consequences, Law and Order has left the room. Attorneys are routinely denied licenses or disbarred for less…

Statues go up and come down. Sometimes they go back up again like Lenin in Russia. I bet the guy who wrote “The winners write history” was a politician. No one knows the truth when the truth is subjective to political whims.

This is so sad. Our youth only get limited history in our educational system as it is know let’s close that door more because the ALT LEFT think it represents hate and a bad segment in our history. You can never learn or improve if you are not willing to accept your past mistakes. This is all so petty.

A son being male, “person” is sexist. unless girls are perdaughters. The California solution for waiters and waitresses is of course the waitron, so the corre t replacement for person is of course pertron, and the correct completely neutral singular pronoun (I beleive the late john W Campbell gets credit here) is compiled from she, he, and it.

In Sweden, kids are taught not refer to “him” and “her.” I believe they’re called “han” of “hun” in Swedish. So, in a fit of typical progressive brilliance, they now run around calling eachother “hen.” ……. A somewhat appropriate way of referring to chicken brained, incessantly cackling about nothing useful progressives, if nothing else….

Statues have always been lightning rods for social unrest. The Irish had a great time blowing up all the statues the British set up. East Europeans have been pulling down all the statues to Lenin they can find.

Iraqis even pulled down a few statues of Saddam if I recall correctly. Germany didn’t leave up any of the big public displays of National Socialism after the war (the ones the US soldiers didn’t blow up or abscond with anyway).

Statues are symbols, and it is understandable that some people get very upset having a symbol representing something they hate taking a prominent place in a public place.

We hate because of what someone has done to us our our loved ones, OR it comes about through indoctrination.
Given that most who protest in this country have never endured hardship and as we see with radical Islam, many of their “terrorists” are second generation westerners living comfortable life, I would bet that MOST of the hate comes from indoctrination.How many Berkley Students have endured racism?
we KNOW the source of this unrest and it is not generations of oppressed, it is decades of indoctrination.

A town where I lived had a full size stone statue of Archangel Gabriel placed in its main square, on 15ft stone column, with surrounding fountain. The statue itself was donated by a wealthy politically connected individual , who had it carved specifically for the occasion…with his own face.

Go figure.

But it STILL goes down as a piece of history, even if only for that fact.

Another statue story.

A town nearby is called (in translation) Excecutioner ( or Torturer). The story goes that the local Vicar, when a procession statue was blocked by a branch of a tree, and the tree’s owner refused to cut the branch, had the statues head cut off so it could pass. After that it was given the above name.

Some myth to it maybe, as most coincide that the towns name comes from a Turkish tribe of warriors who were mercenaries under Moorish rule. Apart from being fierce and capable archers, they were also given some of the less pleasant duties, their tribal name shifting into later language by use to mean Excecutioner etc…. which is a bit unfortunate for the town that carries their name.

What a neurotic nation we’ve turned into. And the nuts are winning. The nuts are running the asylum. The normal people who remain look on with amazement. The culture is being destroyed before their very eyes. The nation’s core history is being dismantled. Illegal foreign criminals are treated with more respect than law-abiding citizens. Those who believe in rule of law and America First are ridiculed. White people who express pride in their own race are condemned as bigots or supremacists. Christians who follow their religious teachings by opposing same-sex marriage are mocked and scorned. People in my neighborhood who had Trump signs in their yards got their homes vandalized.

I think our last chapter is being written. Nothing makes sense anymore. I don’t recognize my country. Subversives have taken control. God help us.

The same is going on in Europe, they just have tighter control of the press and people are not used to the freedoms that US citizens are.
Here most things just get accepted as having been debated once announced, and if there is real debate it is either managed or becomes tedious to the point of boredom… then everyone forgets what it was even supposed to be about and decisions just get passed. Few know what is worth defending anymore, they generally reclude and hope their corner is left alone. Those with whatever “new political agenda” are the most active, they manage to disassemble but so far have nothing of their own to really show for their ideas.

There is no debate, they’re is NEVER a debate. Progressives see debate as questioning their values, and will have none of it. Do we see the Pope debate? Do we see Imams debate? Only conservatives debate because they belief facts and logic MUST prevail…but they do NOT. Emotion rules, not facts and progressives have constructed their religion around this understanding. They simply laugh at conservatives debating against a vacant chair, effectively shouting into the dark.
Logic is not rational. Logic is the contrived excuse derived through rationalization, a justification for doing what we want to do, and in many cases what we want to do is an idea put into our heads over years of constant indoctrination.
Progressivism is a religion that is as intolerant as radical Islam, and will not tolerate dissent, especially in a debate where facts actually carry some weight.

These are all tell-tale signs that America is on the verge of civil war. It is nearly a given. The point of rage is just for the crowd. If one can’t have an opinion that is deemed incorrect by establishment (e.g. voting Trump – forget it is a lousy choice but that does not mean i should not choose.it -if you do not like my choice you choose differently – i am not asking you to choose Trump so you have let me be) at some point some people will rise against it and that some will become many at some point and at a later time it will become a let them eat cake moment. When Hillary says “Creep” Trump made her “Skin Crawl” how can it not be right to say “Creepier” Bill made me feel like a leech was crawling all over me. At some point someone else can also be nasty and give you a free pass. A civil war is looking more and more likely and while the blame will be laid on Trump it is culmination of eviscerating people especially a middle class American citizens and looks like they are not going to take it lying down.

A flag is a piece of cloth with a design, a cross is made with wood ,metal or what ever statue are made of stone yet people will kill for this things,the human brain is not yet fully developed and to say we have the means to blow up the world.

People ultimate will kill for what they believe in, and it is an incitement to violence for a relatively small number of people of snowflake fragility to demand that the majority of people’s desires and sensitivities be discarded in THEIR FAVOR.
Tolerance seem to be a one way street.
These are dangerous times. It is one thing to incite violence in a relative few, but when you attack half the population with attacks of racism for simply resisting the destruction of statues that have been in place for a hundred years.
Why is it that we MUST surrender to the FEELINGS of so few while ignoring the FEELINGS of so many? because they are deplorable. Because they are racists?
REALLY?
As far as I know racists are demonstrating no direct threat to anyone. As I understand it they are promoting and (in their mind) defending white America. We can have every sub group and minority publicly fighting for their own interests, many by my perception, overtly racist, yet not one person can even mention the contributions of WHITES to the world. They cannot have a club for whites, a white business association, a white cultural society, without being labeled a racist, and worse still, a DANGER to society that must be “crushed” according to many media outlets and politicians.
This is a disaster, the building of a critical mass of a generalized and stereotyped group of people who have been told to move to the back of the line, to defer their interests for others more deserving, forced to pay for this with their earnings and their liberties,and now, NOW, after years of backing up, giving the benefit of the doubt, years of their children indoctrinated to blame whites for the world’s evils, we are all racists.
IF this were true, we would have never eliminated slavery, we would have never allowed affirmative action, student quotas, bussing, robin hood school tax plans, and would have NEVER voted in Obama. But of course none of that matters. What matters is that they have us backing up, and given that momentum, will NEVER stop pushing. We have seen conservative standards of behavior swept away at an increasing rate, and with each victory, the NEXT on the agenda becomes even more imperative, and those resisting it called even more extreme far right. We had a president who ran and won office supporting a one man, one women marriage, and then so suddenly, he changed, and with him changed the tolerance for the belief he claimed on a few months prior. Seemingly overnight, those who still supported traditional marriage were homophobic haters, left out in the cold because they didn’t get the memo.
What we face is epic, and is destined to only continue to accelerate.
We now have Asian people named Lee removed from public spaces in fear of incitement of violence and schools with the name Lynch having their name changed….and it is ALL Trump’s fault!
There is only so much madness before it erupts into the Walking Dead.

“IF this were true, we would have never eliminated slavery, we would have never allowed affirmative action, student quotas, bussing, robin hood school tax plans, and would have NEVER voted in Obama. But of course none of that matters.”

Yeah! While at it, eviscerating middle class, screwing savers, retirees and prudent people for a decade, by keeping interest rates at near zero and allowing the banks to recapitalize using the proceeds usurped from the savers DOES NOT MATTER. Bailing out banksters DOES NOT MATTER. Central banksters usurping powers and taking on the job of saving the world by doling out money to banksters DOES NOT MATTER, Rising asset prices, falling wages so that the asset always remains out of common man’s reach DOES NOT MATTER, “Subprime is contained” Bernanke and “TARP” Paulson can do whatever they want in the guise of saving the world DOES NOT MATTER, Banksters, Rating agencies NOT DOING JAIL TERM DOES NOT MATTER, Banks getting away with a slap on the wrist instead of their employees, the banksters, doing jail term and banks fined 10 years income or shutdown for misdemenaour DOES NOT MATTER. Above all, destroying capitalism and allowing the central banksters to run amok (and pat themselves on their backs-when they should be kicked on their a***) by doing all this DOES NOT MATTER.

ALL THAT MATTERS is Hillary lost and Trump won. ALL THAT MATTERS is Bill Clinton can do it but Trump cannot say it. ALL THAT MATTERS is people voted as they felt and NOT as the establishment wanted. How dare people NOT DO WHAT THE ESTABLISHMENT WANTS.

ALL THAT IS NEEDED now is a “match stick” moment. If that is way the establishment is going to accept change then so be it!

Lines can be drawn. Lines should be drawn. With respect to the Civil War leaders, the line is easy to draw, not close to a moral boundary: remove their statutes and do so with extreme prejudice. Put them in a museum, to preserve the historical value.

The confederate statues represent a history of slavery and racism to African-Americans. I understand and empathize with that. Many of them were put up by racist whites as an act of domination over African-Americans. I get that, and that is not okay.

However, to your average white Southerner, they have nothing to do with that stuff. They represent Southernness (new word, feel free to use). Small towns, church, family, hunting, fishing, beer, pickup trucks, pretty girls and friends. They represent there family over generations. Non-white Southerners need to understand and empathize with them.

Take some down. Put up some statues of African-American soldiers in the union army. Recognize and discuss the good and bad in everyone’s history. We spend a lot on our cops. They need to be policing up these Nazi/anti-fa nutcases so the rest of us can go about our business.

History is a great fusion of many events and realities, if someone pretends that their meaning is so black and white that the liberty achieved and now enjoyed be contained , the markers that outline the path worn to reach it erased, then it is more than likely that person is misrepresenting that history.

What I have not seen documented is the idea that Union planning may have purposefully used the premise of freedom to garner the use of slave forces, that is to say abolition being used as a political and military tool instead of a purely ethical stance. Certainly the two combine irretrievably, but you know how people here look for hidden motives and manipulation 🙂 , of which, also certainly there will have been some. No one likes being played, nor black nor white.

The statues are coming down because the radical left wants to aggravate the far right. Everything the Nazi scum do is blamed on Trump. Nothing the Marxist scum do gets reported. It is a propaganda campaign that is aided and abetted by the MSM. It is planned and orchestrated. This is just another step toward the Marxist takeover.

“Today, with our nation beset by subversive groups and propaganda which seeks to destroy our national unity, we can look for inspiration to the lives of Lee and Jackson to remind us to be resolute and determined in preserving our sacred institutions”

Something for all you old white men to think about. Non-Hispanic whites constitute 60% of the country. Of that 60% about a third are over the age of 50. So basically we are talking about 20% of the population which consists of old white people. This 20% lives in an echo chamber reading blogs like this one and thinking that they are in the majority. You’re not. Maybe if you spend more time engaged in discourse with the 80% of the population that is not old white people you would have a clearer idea of what’s going on. You might learn something and you might teach something as well.

It is certainly odd how the actions of a tiny minority of white extremists can be placed upon such a broad swath of white America, while these same people who perpetrate this ugly lie, will defend those people of the religion of peace after thousands of innocents are murdered by their sizable radical factions, claiming any such association is …you guessed it, RACIST.
What is apparent to a thinking person, is in the race of life on this planet, the predominantly white races have dominated in recent centuries…they have won. In a world that until now was DEFINED by competition, it was always understood what the rules were….compete or perish.
What progressives have effectively done is organize these varied array of losers on the planet and motivated them not to compete in the traditional sense, but to use the indoctrinated guilt of success to induce us to surrender. We have not been out competed, out worked, out “thunk” until very recently, and those minorities who have achieved success are routinely destroyed if they enter the public life using their success as an object lesson.
We have allowed our education to focus far less on performance in lieu of progressive indoctrination.
We have poisoned our dominant culture to handicap it against its competitors, and drive it into submission.
EVERY platform presented to us by the left, be it in America or Europe, is about wealth redistribution, about carbon taxes to transfer wealth to failed nations, to enter into trade deals we know we will lose at in an effort to help other nations to compete, advancing China, Mexico, Asia and anyone else they can think of, claiming we are creating valuable new trading partners. All while taxing the predominantly white middle class out of existence.
The western societies have been preached to for decades of the danger of overpopulation, how we must restrict our reproduction while using women’s liberation as an excuse for advancing birth control and promoting non-traditional relationships. After much success, we now see declining populations in western societies that we are now told are DEPENDENT upon the importation of foreigners that we share virtually NO culture or values and encouraging interracial marriage, for our very survival. In Europe we are seeing wholesale shifts in cultural identity over VERY short periods of time. Like it or not, we ARE being replaced.
All of this is about reducing the power of whites around the world, and many are very up front about this. They see it as a necessity. Maybe it is…for some.

All I want is a level playing field, where NO ONE is given advantage or handicap, where our achievements are our own, something we are now deprived of, given apparently as Ms Warren suggests, my successes are NOT my own. I now find that what limited success I do enjoy is nothing but the result of white privilege.

And why aren’t we equating Communism to Nazis? Who IS the left? If there is an apt comparison, it is NOT conservatives to Nazis, but Communists to Nazis…communists have killed far more than Nazis. And lets talk of the origins of “political correctness” coming from communism silencing people…”crushing” dissonants….and I think we KNOW who the commies now are.

Were the Germans wrong to take down the Nazi monuments? Were the east Europeans wrong to take down the Lenin statues? Should the Iraqis have left the Saddam statues in place for their historical value?

I have a very clear idea about what is going on. If it comes to fruition, it will not end well for any of us. There is not one example of successful socialism. The West is falling apart at this moment from the debt piled up to pay for the socialism implemented to date. You might learn from the last hundred years. Bloodbath followed by famine followed by bloodbath. Yet you persist.

We need to take people off of our money too. We weren’t supposed to have these monuments to Caesar in our pockets. Back years ago the coins had “Walking Lady Liberty” or “Columbia,” purely artistic fabrications that represented a concept of what America was about. Or maybe a buffalo. For sure eagles.

I think a modern version of this could be dogs and cats. At least our pets are worthy of our worship. More so than our politicians at least. And I’d rather see Don Henley on our dollar bill than have to hear him sing…

You are correct kojeg, for our first 100 years it was inappropriate to have real people on our coins or bills. It was considered to be like the european monarchism that the US wanted to distance itself from. I do not respect some of the politicians on our money, I think we should go back to generic representations of liberty.
Here’s an idea: if you don’t like the dead president’s picture on your money, burn it! I doubt anyone would object to that.

The tin veneer of civilization is coming off and it is replaced by vulgarity profanity and violence,not much different than the end of the Roman Empire no more pretend our true nature is displayed for all to see.

For all those who wish to engage in stupidity at the public expense I can only say what we felt back in the sixties when we were serving our country (back in the days of the draft): “Sometimes a little repression is good for the soul. It makes you appreciate your freedoms all the more dearly.” I knew a lot of guys in the service who were ex-pats from the USSR, Poland, Yugoslavia, and the like. Their parents risks their own lives smuggling the immediate family out of such ‘socialist” wonderlands. A few were old enough to remember the dangers everyone faced. For them, it is not about statues but the basic freedoms that make the country great or small, depending on how many freedoms one has. So let us send all the antifa and white supremacists and other idiots to Venezuelan for a year or two, they’ve earned the vacation, say a year long event.

So today it is the Californian Allah-las “who chose the name because it sounded holy” evacuating a concert in Rotterdam. Ahmed Aboutaleb, the mayor of Rotterdam, says a Spanish vehicle with gas bottles was found nearby, implying a possible Spanish migrant Salafist unit related to Barcelona and Imam Abdelbaki Es Satty, who himself was arrested a decade ago and well known as a jihadist associate before most recently dissapearing in an explosion of tatp in Alcanar.

Monday, 14 August 2017 Written by Steve Byas
After the tragic events in Charlottesville, Virginia, precipitated by the city government’s decision to remove the statue of Confederate Robert E. Lee from Emancipation Park, we should be struck by how the animosity toward Lee is based on ignorance of the man and his cause.

The case against honoring Lee seems to be that the Civil War was fought to abolish slavery, and since General Lee (shown) was the most important military leader of the side that supposedly was fighting to “keep slavery,” no monuments should remain honoring his memory — even in his home state of Virginia.

Slavery was certainly a source of friction between the northern and southern sections of the country, contributing to the decision of seven southern states — Alabama, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Texas — to secede from the Union. But one must also look at other factors as well, such as the tariff, which tended to help the economy of the industrialized North at the expense of the mostly agrarian South. In fact, it had almost caused the secession of South Carolina a generation earlier.

And secession was not just a “Southern idea.” Northern states, more than once, had threatened secession earlier in U.S. history, largely due to their resentment at the outsized influence of Virginia in the Union.

After seven states left the Union in late 1860 and early 1861, eight states where slavery remained a legal institution were still in the Union. If the war had been fought to abolish slavery, one wonders why President Abraham Lincoln did not call for an invasion of those eight states, as well.

One of the states that had not seceded was Virginia, where slavery was on the decline, and was expected to eventually go away as it had in the northern states, when it was no longer economically viable. Before Lincoln’s call for 75,000 volunteers to “suppress the rebellion” in the South, Virginia had no intention of leaving the Union. But once faced with a decision of either invading fellow states or joining the seceded states, Virginia reluctantly seceded, as well.

General Lee lamented that he could not draw his sword against his home state of Virginia, and thus tendered his resignation from the U.S. Army. He was soon offered a general’s commission in the army of the Confederate States.

In short, Virginia’s secession had nothing to do with slavery, and Lee’s decision to leave the U.S. Army was because he could not bear to fight against his home state.

It had nothing to do with protecting slavery, which he detested.

He had inherited slaves; however, he freed them. In an 1856 letter, Lee wrote of his hope that slavery would eventually disappear,” declaring, “There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil. He called for prayer to see the “final abolition of human slavery” through peaceful means.

Writing in the Confederate Veteran of August 1905, Col. T.L. Broun of Charleston, West Virginia, recalled having been present at St. Paul’s Church in Richmond, Virginia, in June 1865. “It was communion day; and when the minister was ready to administer the holy communion, a negro in the church arose and advanced to the communion table. He was tall, well-dressed, and black. This was a great surprise and shock to the communicants and others present. Its effect upon the communicants was startling, and for several moments they retained their seats in solemn silence and did not move, being deeply chagrined at this attempt to inaugurate the ‘new regime’ to offend and humiliate them during their most devoted Church services. Dr. Minnegerode [the minister, although his name was evidently misspelled] was evidently embarrassed.”

Broun continued: “General Robert E. Lee was present, and ignoring the action and presence of the negro, arose in his usual dignified and self-possessed manner, walked up the aisle to the chancel rail, and reverently knelt down to partake of the communion, and not far from the negro. This lofty conception of duty by Gen. Lee under such provoking and irritating circumstances had a magic effect upon the other communicants (including the writer), who went forward to the communion table.”

“By this action of Gen. Lee,” Broun concluded, “the services were conducted as if the negro had not been present. It was a grand exhibition of superiority shown by a true Christian and great soldier under the most trying and offensive circumstances.”

Besmirching the memory of General Lee by attacking him as a slave-owning racist who led a bloody rebellion to preserve slavery that cost well over 600,000 American lives is despicable. Edward Smith, director of American Studies at American University in Washington, D.C, and the co-director of The Civil War Institute (who contends that the above story is absolutely true), wrote in National Geographic News on September 7, 2001, “Today, and deservingly so, Lee is honored throughout the country.”

Unfortunately, Smith continued, “there are many Southerners who claim to cherish Lee and revere the flag for which he so nobly fought but still harbor rabidly racist sentiments toward blacks and their long delayed social progress. Such people do not honor Lee; instead they disgrace him.”

And such historical ignorance has contributed to the movement to tear down monuments to the great man — even if it leads to violent confrontations, as in Charlottesville, Virginia.

Was the Great Emancipator worse than Lee? He is quoted:
“I am not nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races. I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people” (Collected Works, vol. III, pp. 145-146).
““I am not nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races. I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people” (Collected Works, vol. III, pp. 145-146). ”
Lincoln’s Emancipation Proclamation was intended to reinvigorate enthusiasm for the North’s War of Aggression against the south’s desire to secede.
Now California is considering seceding from the Union. The failure to know history is a fatal flaw indeed.

Sorry the second quote above was supposed to be:
“In 1861 the year the North invaded the South, President Lincoln said, “I have no purpose, directly or indirectly, to interfere with the institution of slavery in the States where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so, and I have no inclination to do so” (First Inaugural Address). In 1862 during the war, Lincoln wrote to Horace Greeley: “If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it.”

Unfortunately this program does not let you go back and correct anything.

While I would never call my wife a progressive, she in some ways epitomizes them.
I can put forward a well detailed and reasoned argument to her on some subject and her response will be, “no, you are wrong” and then walk out of the room. She would not lower herself to actually debate me as she is so secure (insecure) in her position, she will not lower (risk) herself to an actual debate or even argument.
“I’m right, you’re wrong, the debate is over (before it ever started)”.

I liked a tongue in cheek suggestion from Disqus user “Live Long and Prosper”;

“Mr. Trump – quickly create a new executive order – any and all statues removed must be replaced with statues of Donald J Trump – they will stop and move onto the next rebel rousing idea the left has dreamed up”

If every statue, monument, street name has to come down for everyone that had anything to do with slavery, oppression, bad stuff n general…everything would have to come down:

-Egyption pyramids need to come down since built by slaves
-Roman Collesium built by slaves and oppressed people and held events in the Collesium to watch slaves die – so that has to come down
-All the Ghengis Khan statues come down since he raped and pillaged the world

….it goes on and on and on. Every explorer to the “new world”, every head of every empire, etc… Pretty much every leader in history exploited and oppressed people. I’m sure there were a ton in Africa too. JFK got us into Vietnam for total BS reason and got millions killed…so take down everything in his name.

There is no super power on earth going back thousands and thousands of years that didn’t do things wrong and have oppression and bad things in their past.

The U.S. did bad things in its past and had tried to get better and amend for it. The way the left has to continue to use identity politics and slavery to cause divisions and tear the country apart is evil. Nobody today alive today even has a grandparent that was alive during slavery. In fact probably 80% of the ancestors white people in the U.S. today their parents/grandparents didn’t even immigrate here until AFTER the Civil War. Yet since they are white the expected to feel guilty for everything and vote in liberals with their guilt.

Another thing is we judge these figures of the past with 2017 morals and ethics. The fact is oppression and slavery were accepted in most of the world until say 150 years ago. People who grew up in that environment as did their parents, grandparents, etc… that was just the way things were. This is the case all over the world in many countries. But we make them evil applying our 2017 viewpoints when they were just living in a system that was accepted and not questioned in their day.

Who knows we may look back 500 years from now on people doing things that are widely accepted in society as evil scumbags.

Yet we seem to tolerate Islamic standards of behavior as cultural diversity.
This is not about any type of justice, it is about the acting out of rage from indoctrinated children, who realize they can impose their will, while destroying at will, with NO repercussions.

White guilt and the term “racist” is one of the most powerful political tools of the left. It’s like their tomahawk missile. They have this weapon and use it often, but the right does not have this weapon since they are type cast as white males and the left as minorities and women. The left knows that if they can loosely associate any politician, movement, etc.. on the right with someone who had an association, with someone who had an association, with someone that had an association, with someone who was purported to be racist in some way, they can smear them as being racist too. They have done it with pretty much any right wing politician for decades, including Ron Paul. The word “racist” has an explosive impact and the left media and left politicians know this and use it to their advantage. This goes for Europe as well. Countries like say China that are pretty homogeneous racially do not have this issue. They don’t have this one side calling the other racist all the time and using it as a political tool like the US and Europe do.

And white guilt is indoctrinated into every white persons brain from birth both in Europe in the U.S. Most white people didn’t even come to the US until after the civil war with the large European immigration at the turn of the century, and many came from poor down and out countries themselves. Yet it is drilled into their brains that they “owe” people things and should be guilty just because they are white. They must become social justice warriors and go help people of color everywhere to atone for their guilt.

This indoctrination is a very powerful sometimes subconscious tool used to get concessions from whites, make them think they owe people things, divide them, and make them not able to be proud of their culture or history. And if you happen to be conservative/libertarian (anything not liberal) and white, you of course must be a racist and a white nationalist, and you are inherently a bad and evil person.

Unfortunately due to shrinking birth rates among whites everywhere, I can see a big “get back a whitey” party coming to a town near you to go grab and loot whitey’s stuff. Things like tearing down statues are the first sign of this.

What white people fail to understand is that they will NEVER be respected or held in any esteem, regardless of their disparagement of those of their own race or financial sacrifices or retributions granted to minorities. This is NOT about equality. It is about WINNING. It’s not a race thing. Race is but a tool, an excuse.
The only people begging for equality or those lacking it, and once obtained will be no more satisfied with it than any other human. We all want to win. It’s just that they evidently can’t, as that is the only reason I can see for them trying to achieve it in this manner, through our surrender and submission.
We have granted them incredible power. There is nothing they can say that is held in contempt for them (unless they admit to voting for Trump), whereas a white man must be careful and considerate of everything he says and to whom. White people lose their jobs for words spoken. Why, they are even threatening to impeach a white president for words he has spoken, supposedly insensitive. That kind of power is heady, and can become very dangerous….as we see. Unpopular speech must be “crushed”, right?
The constitution is going to end up on the floor of a bird cage.

“IF this were true, we would have never eliminated slavery, we would have never allowed affirmative action, student quotas, bussing, robin hood school tax plans, and would have NEVER voted in Obama. But of course none of that matters.”

Yeah! While at it, eviscerating middle class, screwing savers, retirees and prudent people for a decade, by keeping interest rates at near zero and allowing the banks to recapitalize using the proceeds usurped from the savers DOES NOT MATTER. Bailing out banksters DOES NOT MATTER. Central banksters usurping powers and taking on the job of saving the world by doling out money to banksters DOES NOT MATTER, Rising asset prices, falling wages so that the asset always remains out of common man’s reach DOES NOT MATTER, “Subprime is contained” Bernanke and “TARP” Paulson can do whatever they want in the guise of saving the world DOES NOT MATTER, Banksters, Rating agencies NOT DOING JAIL TERM DOES NOT MATTER, Banks getting away with a slap on the wrist instead of their employees, the banksters, doing jail term and banks fined 10 years income or shutdown for misdemenaour DOES NOT MATTER. Above all, destroying capitalism and allowing the central banksters to run amok (and pat themselves on their backs-when they should be kicked on their a***) by doing all this DOES NOT MATTER.

ALL THAT MATTERS is Hillary lost and Trump won. ALL THAT MATTERS is Bill Clinton can do it but Trump cannot say it. ALL THAT MATTERS is people voted as they felt and NOT as the establishment wanted. How dare people NOT DO WHAT THE ESTABLISHMENT WANTS.

ALL THAT IS NEEDED now is a “match stick” moment. If that is way the establishment is going to accept change then so be it!

You must have missed it. The majority only matters if it agrees with PROGRESSIVISM. The election of Trump has only proven to them how ignorant and dangerous democracy is. They will never allow that to happen again.
They pretend to complain of election interference knowing that this is THEIR primary tool, here in America and abroad. They will never leave “their” nation to chance again. They rely on their organization of losers DEMANDING restitution to hold power. No issue, no matter how fringe, is too little to be used. Screaming hooded fanatics on the evening news is their preferred vehicle of transfer of power. Redistribution of power through social and economic justice. Taking from the many for the few until the many no longer exists, all becoming the few….disparate groups, powerless alone and completely dependent upon their robber Barron government to provide. Division IS weakness creating a demand for tyranny. People of shared common values do not need the protection of tyrants. A nation comprised of warring parties only survives with a government like Saddam’s. A peaceful society is based upon mutual respect. Do we see that here? From my perspective I see quite the opposite. Warring factions using government to abuse their enemies.
What is justice? Is it REALLY our government, who at best finds justice in equal oppression for all?

Housewife = Consumer?! I bet that one gets a good beat down soon. Ever see a gaggle of offended righteous moms? The anti-racists will blush. Seriously though, that one is seriously messed up – that’s supposed to be neutral?

Many confederate statues were placed there during the civil rights movement in protest of American citizens asking for the same basic liberties others were privy to. It’s not a political correctness conspiracy, nor about identity politics to remove them. Millions of American citizens suffered, were killed etc not that long ago. Slavery ended in the same time that it takes for two seventy year old women to be born and die back to back.

If American citizens vote to take the statue down through the proper democratic channels, because they have relatives who Robert Lee was fighting to keep enslaved, then how is that a problem? I am libertarian and it’s not so hard to understand this.

Also, the Statue of Liberty embodies the best of American values, ones that the rest of the world looked up to the US for and allowed for the flourishing of our economy.

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