... speaking of offenses, the Packers are Rodgers centric, the Saints are Brees centric, the Panthers are Newton centric, 49Rs are Kap centric, the Pats are Brady centric, the Colts are Luck centric, the Broncos are Manning centirc, and the Chargers are Rivers centric. Heck, the Seahawks are Wilson centric.

The Eagles might be McCoy centric and the Chiefs are Charles centric. The Bengals lacked a focal point though one could argue for saying they are Gordon centirc.

I'd say most good (playoff) teams are QB centirc and the above 3 who are not are out of the playoffs.

hanburgerheel wrote:Of all the QB's available in the draft when they took RG3, they took the worst one.

Wow! You don't really believe that, do you?

If the Redskins had the choice of Griffin, Luck or Wilson... and they chose Griffin? Yes, I am absolutely, 100%, dead-on certain they chose the worst of the three by a country mile. And, they gave up way, way, WAY too much to get him! I can appreciate how vital the QB position is to the success of a franchise. It is absolute. I saw Griffin many times at Baylor. Griffin is going to struggle immensely in the NFL. He is not likely to last because of the inability to make the necessary improvements. Griffin is the epitome of college star and NFL bust. A lot of his "bust" side is due to how much Washington gave up to get him. He was also thrust into a position that required no earning of respect or anything. He was appointed, basically. He is also a physical liability. Even if he were a stellar passer and could read defenses better (which he can't), I don't think he will physically last! He will get injured a LOT! He's just far too much of a liability in my view. But, fans are clearly more stubborn than I ever knew on here. I'm not trolling. I'm just very direct and I don't sugarcoat things. His rookie season will be his NFL peak.

hanburgerheel wrote:Of all the QB's available in the draft when they took RG3, they took the worst one.

Wow! You don't really believe that, do you?

If the Redskins had the choice of Griffin, Luck or Wilson... and they chose Griffin? Yes, I am absolutely, 100%, dead-on certain they chose the worst of the three by a country mile.

First, you can't include Luck, because he wasn't available when they took RGIII. Second you can hardly include Wilson, as he wasn't even supposed to be the starter for the Seahawks, and you are totally going on hindsight. But what about the other 10 or so QBs who were also taken in the draft last year? You may think we overpaid, but the statement you made is ridiculous on its face.

hanburgerheel wrote:He is not likely to last because of the inability to make the necessary improvements. Griffin is the epitome of college star and NFL bust.

Two more ridiculous statements. He was rookie of the year. He can in no way be an NFL bust, and certainly not the epitome of one. And what is this crap about "the inability to make the necessary improvements?" No, you're not trolling.

... speaking of offenses, the Packers are Rodgers centric, the Saints are Brees centric, the Panthers are Newton centric, 49Rs are Kap centric, the Pats are Brady centric, the Colts are Luck centric, the Broncos are Manning centirc, and the Chargers are Rivers centric. Heck, the Seahawks are Wilson centric.

The Eagles might be McCoy centric and the Chiefs are Charles centric. The Bengals lacked a focal point though one could argue for saying they are Gordon centirc.

I'd say most good (playoff) teams are QB centirc and the above 3 who are not are out of the playoffs.

The funny thing is none of the rghaters have any idea what the coaches even tried to implement with our qbs.. being the egotistical dictator we are hearing about I doubt shanny even focused on "changing plays". I do recall a game where rgiiis head set went out and he called a play that led to a touchdown. For everyone acting like they know anything about the huddle, presnap, or the play- get real.

hanburgerheel wrote:He is not likely to last because of the inability to make the necessary improvements. Griffin is the epitome of college star and NFL bust.

Two more ridiculous statements. He was rookie of the year. He can in no way be an NFL bust, and certainly not the epitome of one. And what is this crap about "the inability to make the necessary improvements?" No, you're not trolling.

I think Griffin is going to be a bust also. He had an exciting rookie season fueled by his running until he got seriously hurt, who didn't see that coming? Running quarterbacks in the NFL all suffer the same fate.

I think the critical ability that NFL QB needs is all mental. They need the knowledge and ability to accurately read the defense, adjust the protections, move effectively within the pocket, quickly go through progressions, make good decisions, be able to throw accurately, shake off mistakes and provide leadership. Those are the must have abilities that are essential to even modest NFL success. Having an 80 yard arm and wide receiver speed are nice to haves but not the essential things.

The mistake I think the Redskins made is choosing a guy who had the rare nice to have things and assumed they could teach him the must have stuff. That he could play backyard style in season one and learn the pocket game as he went along. They gamble paid off for awhile before going bust.

I don't care if a man was a bright student learning how read process and decide quickly enough for the NFL isn't an automatic it's a major and speculative project that could end in failure and early results are not good. Griffin hasn't even learned how to make pre snap reads and adjust protections which is step one in the process.

You guys do realize Luck didn't have that great of a season. And Wilson has the best defense in the Nfl on his side. Wilson is a game manager. Look at his stats yesterday. He threw for 103 yards and THEY WON! Imagine if Rg didn't have to come from behind every game. He was throwing way too much this season. ST and Defense did not help him.

OldSchool wrote:Griffin hasn't even learned how to make pre snap reads and adjust protections which is step one in the process.

We've already been over this, yet you continue to make the same baseless accusation. If you don't come up with new schtick, I'll be forced to put you on my ignore list. And, there is no way for RGIII to be a bust at this point. It's simply too late. No rookie of the year can possibly be labeled a bust. Stop drinking the haterade.

Sk1nsfan7 wrote:You guys do realize Luck didn't have that great of a season. And Wilson has the best defense in the Nfl on his side. Wilson is a game manager. Look at his stats yesterday. He threw for 103 yards and THEY WON! Imagine if Rg didn't have to come from behind every game. He was throwing way too much this season. ST and Defense did not help him.

You will get no where w logic and reason I'm telling you... Kapernick had under 200 yards and got the W aswell.. dc qb has to put up 350 to even have chance! Oh wait, cousins hit 380 and still lost! Smmfh some people just believe rgiii is the root of all evil and refuse to look at the rest of the damned team.He needs to make Payton (esque) adjustments at the line in his 2nd year in the league with half the time Payton has in the pocket.. they just said "and Manning holds onto it until some one gets open."A luxury no dc qb has had since the hogs!

Time will tell. Griffin will be a memory sooner than later. I agree, by the way, that having a strong defense is a HUGE boost to your offensive performance. They work hand-in-hand. And, the Redskins are making sure they maintain the failures of this season's historically-bad defense by keeping the failure Haslett employed.

RG3 managed to play a whole season or most of with a repaired right knee. He literally was 7-9 months removed from ACL reconstruction. That alone tells me the kind of character he has. How many QBs would have done the same? Not too many I can think of.

RG3 has a whole off season to work on his reads, throws, speed etc.. The workaholic that is RG3 is going to be an MVP candidate next year. I think Alfred will challenge him for that right as well.

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