I for one dont dispute that!~ Maybe the Point is , the fact many see the literal, but not the LIFE in the written is the reason MOST still accept HELL to be The LAKE of FIRE~To be DEAD means your In a LITERAL grave, then one day in the future, The Lord will raise all SINNERS, the fearful et all and roast em for eternity~~Just a Thought~

of Course fine for US who can see this~ but not all who read this Board do~ do ever5 get to sence we Just chat amid ourselves~

« Last Edit: November 01, 2011, 01:39:07 AM by Taffy »

Logged

Isa 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

Seasons are changingChildren of love are alivePeople reach out to surviveTogether

Love is the messageWe carry across the skyDown through the passage ofTime forever

History unfoldsAs this story's told

(And it's) the mystery of loveHow we go on and on forever(And it's) the mystery of loveComing to rescueRescue me

A man and a womanLost in each other's embraceStar-crossed in time in a placeFar awayInnocent dreamersTurning the wheels of chanceSearching to find romanceForever

We will surely findLove is for all time

(And it's) the mystery of loveHow we go on and on forever(And it's) the mystery of loveOnly one heart can turn the keyDown through the historyOf loveTime is the one that holdsThe answer(And it's) the mystery of loveOh, will it set me freeFor all time

(And it's) the mystery of loveHow we go on and on forever(And it's) the mystery of loveOnly one heart can turn the keyDown through the historyOf loveTime is the one that holdsThe answer(And it's) the mystery of loveHow we go on and on forever(And it's) the mystery of loveOnly one heart can turn the key

Lean not on your own understanding . . .it's cursed. Doctrines of men, religion and religious tradition . . .all things that hang from the trees of men.

It's also why there were so many things in the ark that were wood overlaid with Gold.

Everything is spiritual.

Rev 22:2 in the middle of its street. On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

These are trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, both the leaves and the fruit that hang on them are blessed and a blessing to all.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city.

No one 'enters' the city unless their robes are washed (thank you Jesus) and they are eating from the tree of life(walking from the spirit,walking in love, bearing the fruit of the spirit)- James 3:15-17- having forsaken the tree of the knowledge of good and evil...."For who is so blind as my servant?".

Can a fig tree, my brethren, produce olives, or a vine produce figs? Nor can salt water produce fresh. Who among you is wise and understanding? Let him show by his good behavior his deeds in the gentleness of wisdom. But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, do not be arrogant and so lie against the truth. This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly, natural, demonic. For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there is disorder and every evil thing. But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy. And the seed whose fruit is righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace. (Jas 3:12-18)

Rev 2:7 'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To him who overcomes, I will grant to eat of the tree of life which is in the Paradise of God.'

I think Jesus is the tree of life that is in the Paradise of God- "Take and eat, this is my flesh, that is given for you".... " I am the bread of life that comes down from heaven"

Everything IS spiritual, even the physical and literal things that serve as shadows of the solid reality which is Christ, in whom are hid all the treasure of the wisdom and knowledge of God. But there is one sure way t know if we are really 'planted'- whether the 'incorruptible seed' within is becoming a 'tree of life' in our garden. Whether we have that solid reality is revealed in our communion, union, oneness.

If we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have communion with each other and the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin John 1:6

There are trees that are blessed and disciples who are trees and pillars upon which are hung the foundations of the city made without hands,........and they are in turn, branches in the Vine.

We can see what tree we are hanging on by whether or not we experience koinonea together, and the seed of righteousness that we sow in peace bears the fruit of righteousness. When the words we speak, as apples of gold set in leaves of silver, deliver life and healing to one another. Leaves for the healing of the nations grow on trees that are planted by the water of life, fed by a healing spirit :o)

How blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked, Nor stand in the path of sinners, Nor sit in the seat of scoffers! But his delight is in the law of the LORD, And in His law he meditates day and night. He will be like a tree firmly planted by streams of water, Which yields its fruit in its season And its leaf does not wither; And in whatever he does, he prospers. (Psa 1:1-3)

Rev 22:2 in the middle of its street. On either side of the river was the tree of life, bearing twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

1-5 Then the Angel showed me Water-of-Life River, crystal bright. It flowed from the Throne of God and the Lamb, right down the middle of the street. The Tree of Life was planted on each side of the River (Message Translation)

1 Then the angel showed me a river with the water of life, clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 It flowed down the center of the main street. On each side of the river grew a tree of life (New Living Translation)

Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life (NIV)

Take a look at what this is saying . . .there is ONE street in the New Jerusalem . .not street(s) of Gold . . .just one street. But the thing that keeps popping up in all these translations is . . .even though it appears to say there's a tree on both sides of the river . . .it's not that at all. There are not two trees planted on each side of one river. It's ONE tree. So . . ."how" can you have "a" tree that's on TWO sides of A river?

Unless . . . .

The river is flowing "out" of the Tree. This tree of life is so large that it's roots expand to both banks and the river is flowing out of the tree. For me, this book . .. from Genesis to Revelation . . .and especially Revelation is not about God . . .it's about God IN MEN. Isn't that what "Emanuel" means? God WITH us?? So the characteristics of this tree are of a Godly nature, but it's still a picture of a tree . . .the one that was once cursed.

Remember in Genesis, God spoke to the serpent stating that UPON YOUR BELLY YOU SHALL GO . . .many argue what that serpent is, but for me, it's clearly the carnal nature of man. Because when Jesus shows up, I believe he purposefully reaches back to this passage in Genesis and reverses this curse. Instead of "upon your BELLY you shall go . . ." which isn't about our eating habits, but instead it's about the core of our inner nature . . .and dust being it's meat . .dust being flesh, carnality . . my flesh LOVES to dwell upon natural experiences. We really like to worry! Our flesh LOVES having others stroke it's ego . . .actually my ego and my flesh are the same thing. But Jesus reverses this by proclaiming, instead of being bound to thrive on dust . . .OUT OF YOUR BELLIES SHALL FLOW RIVERS OF LIVING WATER . . .

In that context, reread this verse in Revelation . . .the River is coming out of the BELLY of the tree. It's a WATER-OF-LIFE river. It's crystal clear . .purified . . .This river flowed directly from the Throne of God into the tree and out of it again. Does this not sound like the Peter experience that Jesus used as his cornerstone to build his church on? It's the channel of direct communication between God and man by way of inward revelation through intimate relationship with Jesus.

So for me, The throne is God, which includes Jesus . . .the river is the relationship between God and us . .the tree is us, the fruit is the manifestation of God's presence in us and it brings healing to the nations . . .within and without. And . . .the river of life flows "out" of it . . .just as Jesus said his living water does to us.