One Theist's Agenda - Think Atheist2015-03-31T20:56:15Zhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/forum/topics/one-theist-s-agenda?commentId=1982180%3AComment%3A1133436&xg_source=activity&feed=yes&xn_auth=noI have no problems with relig…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-06-05:1982180:Comment:11349982012-06-05T01:09:45.813ZGiakorina Mejiahttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/GiakorinaMejia
<p>I have no problems with religious people. And I'm sure there are a lot of good points for them believing but i just dont believe. it just doesnt make sense to me and I do think politcally, the world would be a better place without it. Just my thoughts.</p>
<p>I have no problems with religious people. And I'm sure there are a lot of good points for them believing but i just dont believe. it just doesnt make sense to me and I do think politcally, the world would be a better place without it. Just my thoughts.</p> I think there has been plenty…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-06-04:1982180:Comment:11344772012-06-04T17:29:08.968ZCJoehttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Cara83
<p>I think there has been plenty of encouragement for William to stay since practically everyone who has engaged has been asking questions and for clarification. I feel like we've already handled him with kid-gloves. He does seem like a nice guy, but his skin can't possibly be so thin that he can't handle being challenged. I hope he will stay. What I must assume, right now, is that he has a life and can't answer everyone's questions as often as they're asked.</p>
<p>I think there has been plenty of encouragement for William to stay since practically everyone who has engaged has been asking questions and for clarification. I feel like we've already handled him with kid-gloves. He does seem like a nice guy, but his skin can't possibly be so thin that he can't handle being challenged. I hope he will stay. What I must assume, right now, is that he has a life and can't answer everyone's questions as often as they're asked.</p> Actually Reg, as he was not e…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-06-04:1982180:Comment:11344762012-06-04T16:49:39.124Zarchaeopteryxhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/xn/detail/u_2gskiyna07rt3
<p>Actually Reg, as he was not exactly <em>encouraged</em> to stay, there's a good possibility he has left the board. Frankly, I hope not, as he seemed like a nice guy.</p>
<p>If I recall some of his original statements from the other thread, he was raised in a relatively secular home, and only went to church for the first time because of a girl he was dating, which would certainly imply a rather indoctrination-free youth. From there, he chose to accept religion.</p>
<p>Actually Reg, as he was not exactly <em>encouraged</em> to stay, there's a good possibility he has left the board. Frankly, I hope not, as he seemed like a nice guy.</p>
<p>If I recall some of his original statements from the other thread, he was raised in a relatively secular home, and only went to church for the first time because of a girl he was dating, which would certainly imply a rather indoctrination-free youth. From there, he chose to accept religion.</p> I assumed that William did no…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-06-04:1982180:Comment:11344742012-06-04T16:32:09.916ZReg The Fronkey Farmerhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/RegPerry
<p>I assumed that William did not mean he was born Atheist but that he had a religion he grew up with and like most born again or renewed in the faith types had labelled the time before he found Jesus as his spell with Atheism. Most Theists I know who claim to have been Atheists never make the claim until they find Jesus. This leads to them misunderstanding what Atheism is. For many Theists the definition of Atheists are those people who do not accept Jesus or Allah into to their hearts rather…</p>
<p>I assumed that William did not mean he was born Atheist but that he had a religion he grew up with and like most born again or renewed in the faith types had labelled the time before he found Jesus as his spell with Atheism. Most Theists I know who claim to have been Atheists never make the claim until they find Jesus. This leads to them misunderstanding what Atheism is. For many Theists the definition of Atheists are those people who do not accept Jesus or Allah into to their hearts rather than people who do not believe a word of it. He found Jesus and like many others is trying to get the arguments for his belief validated. How better than to challenge Atheists for if we cannot handle the arguments they must act to confirm his presupposed belief that a god does probably exist. However if he is still at the gambling stage (Pascal's Wager) he must have doubts about it all.</p>
<p><br/>William – apologises for talking as if you are not in the room or making assumptions about your journey. Feel free to correct me. I am talking in general rather than specifically about you.</p> You could say that, but on th…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-06-04:1982180:Comment:11344602012-06-04T14:45:49.464ZSimon Payntonhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/SimonPaynton
<p>You could say that, but on the other hand, we have to remember that the nature of reality is ultimately unfathomable. Not just this universe, but whatever else there is "outside" it, outside of our space and time. </p>
<p>I always think that the phenomenon of life is a miracle, it is magical and "divine". I think it's not such a stretch to connect "life" with "God". </p>
<p>You could say that, but on the other hand, we have to remember that the nature of reality is ultimately unfathomable. Not just this universe, but whatever else there is "outside" it, outside of our space and time. </p>
<p>I always think that the phenomenon of life is a miracle, it is magical and "divine". I think it's not such a stretch to connect "life" with "God". </p> Exactly. Atheism is an active…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-06-04:1982180:Comment:11343712012-06-04T14:30:22.477ZUnseenhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Unseen
<p>Exactly. Atheism is an actively held position, not a default.</p>
<p>Exactly. Atheism is an actively held position, not a default.</p> If God were to exist, he woul…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-06-04:1982180:Comment:11344592012-06-04T14:28:52.282ZUnseenhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/Unseen
<p>If God were to exist, he would deserve more than the lukewarm "maybe he exists, maybe not" approach of Occam.</p>
<p>If God were to exist, he would deserve more than the lukewarm "maybe he exists, maybe not" approach of Occam.</p> William -
tell us your argume…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-06-04:1982180:Comment:11343702012-06-04T14:21:01.749ZSimon Payntonhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/SimonPaynton
<p>William -</p>
<p>tell us your arguments. If people aren't interested, then they can choose to look at something else. We're not going to cry if someone disagrees with us. </p>
<p>If atheists will only talk to other atheists, then what's the point? We're just going to disappear up our own arses, and everyone will forget about us. There's a big world out there. </p>
<p>William -</p>
<p>tell us your arguments. If people aren't interested, then they can choose to look at something else. We're not going to cry if someone disagrees with us. </p>
<p>If atheists will only talk to other atheists, then what's the point? We're just going to disappear up our own arses, and everyone will forget about us. There's a big world out there. </p> Not quite. Saying that we are…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-06-04:1982180:Comment:11345222012-06-04T14:11:09.455ZSagacious Hawkhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/profile/SagaciousHawk
<p>Not quite. Saying that we are atheists at birth implies that all atheists are ignorant, because that is what babies are. At birth, we all have zero knowledge of anything, which is ignorance. Atheism isn't' a lack of knowledge of the divine; its a rejection of claims of divinity. One can only be an atheist after being told about someone's god or gods. Without theological contrivances, there would be no atheism. <br/><br/>Babies aren't atheists. They are just ignorant.</p>
<p>Not quite. Saying that we are atheists at birth implies that all atheists are ignorant, because that is what babies are. At birth, we all have zero knowledge of anything, which is ignorance. Atheism isn't' a lack of knowledge of the divine; its a rejection of claims of divinity. One can only be an atheist after being told about someone's god or gods. Without theological contrivances, there would be no atheism. <br/><br/>Babies aren't atheists. They are just ignorant.</p> Reg, in case you haven't been…tag:www.thinkatheist.com,2012-06-04:1982180:Comment:11345192012-06-04T13:33:07.767Zarchaeopteryxhttp://www.thinkatheist.com/xn/detail/u_2gskiyna07rt3
<p>Reg, in case you haven't been following closely, William has indicated that he had been atheist, and had gone back to religion - the possibility certainly exists that he isn't all that sure.</p>
<p>Reg, in case you haven't been following closely, William has indicated that he had been atheist, and had gone back to religion - the possibility certainly exists that he isn't all that sure.</p>