Sony DV-camera FireWire not connecting x64

I have Windows 2003 x64 edition, which is basically the same as XP x64.
I have a Sony DCR-HC90E DV-camera, and when I connect it with FireWire,
it only comes up as "61883 Class Bus Device" with a yellow exclamation
mark.

Any ideas why it is not shown properly? I have tried Pinnacle 10.1 and
Nero Vision 7 and they cannot find any sources. (of course when it is a
yellow exclamation mark)

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On 15 Jan 2006 13:45:34 -0800, Niklas Engfelt wrote:
> I have Windows 2003 x64 edition, which is basically the same as XP x64.
> I have a Sony DCR-HC90E DV-camera, and when I connect it with FireWire,
> it only comes up as "61883 Class Bus Device" with a yellow exclamation
> mark.
>
> Any ideas why it is not shown properly? I have tried Pinnacle 10.1 and
> Nero Vision 7 and they cannot find any sources. (of course when it is a
> yellow exclamation mark)

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I called Sony and they said that there were only an USB driver for
32-bit Windows and that FireWire should work automatically. They didn't
have any 64-bit drivers. He said FireWire was faster and better as well
especially with higher resolution DV-cameras like mine.

Maybe you could try and force to install the drivers by doing a manual
driver-update in the Device Manager, and then select the Sony
Firewire-drivers for the camera. I tried that once in Windows 2000 (I
think) when it didn't recognize my camera properly, and that worked.

Since the latest version of DirectX 9 is already installed, there is nothing
to install

"Paul" <> wrote in message
news:nospam-1601061950400001@192.168.1.178...
> In article <>, "Niklas
> Engfelt" <> wrote:
>
>> I called Sony and they said that there were only an USB driver for
>> 32-bit Windows and that FireWire should work automatically. They didn't
>> have any 64-bit drivers. He said FireWire was faster and better as well
>> especially with higher resolution DV-cameras like mine.
>
> 61883 is an IEC specification. It has a number of parts, one of
> which has to do with "plugs" and control of the Firewire interface.
> (I can see references to IEC61883 in a search engine, but no
> good abstract of what the standard actually contains.)
>
> Apparently DirectShow has something to do with this. Perhaps
> installing DirectX will resolve the problem ?
>
> Just a guess,
> Paul

In article <>, "Niklas
Engfelt" <> wrote:
> I called Sony and they said that there were only an USB driver for
> 32-bit Windows and that FireWire should work automatically. They didn't
> have any 64-bit drivers. He said FireWire was faster and better as well
> especially with higher resolution DV-cameras like mine.

61883 is an IEC specification. It has a number of parts, one of
which has to do with "plugs" and control of the Firewire interface.
(I can see references to IEC61883 in a search engine, but no
good abstract of what the standard actually contains.)

Apparently DirectShow has something to do with this. Perhaps
installing DirectX will resolve the problem ?

I have DirectX 9.0c and all Windows updates so it should be the latest?

I cannot choose any drivers by force since no drivers exist for
FireWire. I have now tried to install Windows XP 32 sp2 and all udpates
and it comes up as an unknown device this time and Windows Movie Maker
cannot find the camera here either.

You might check to see what program is set to handle the file type you are
dealing with. JPEG? JPG? etc.

"Niklas Engfelt" <> wrote in message
news:...
>I have DirectX 9.0c and all Windows updates so it should be the latest?
>
> I cannot choose any drivers by force since no drivers exist for
> FireWire. I have now tried to install Windows XP 32 sp2 and all udpates
> and it comes up as an unknown device this time and Windows Movie Maker
> cannot find the camera here either.
>

"John Barnes" <> wrote in message
news:%...
> You might check to see what program is set to handle the file type you are
> dealing with. JPEG? JPG? etc.
>
>
> "Niklas Engfelt" <> wrote in message
> news:...
>>I have DirectX 9.0c and all Windows updates so it should be the latest?
>>
>> I cannot choose any drivers by force since no drivers exist for
>> FireWire. I have now tried to install Windows XP 32 sp2 and all udpates
>> and it comes up as an unknown device this time and Windows Movie Maker
>> cannot find the camera here either.
>>
>
>

Last resort. Try this.
Go to Control Panel, Network Connections.
Right click on the 1394 one and choose Properties.
Uncheck all network protocols attached to this card (you are not using it
for networking anyway!) and Accept.
See what happens next time you plug in your camera.
I never enable the IEEE1394 for networking during Windows install and never
have had problems with my 5 year old JVC DV camera.
Carlos

"Niklas Engfelt" wrote:
> I have DirectX 9.0c and all Windows updates so it should be the latest?
>
> I cannot choose any drivers by force since no drivers exist for
> FireWire. I have now tried to install Windows XP 32 sp2 and all udpates
> and it comes up as an unknown device this time and Windows Movie Maker
> cannot find the camera here either.
>
>

I want to transfer video. I don't care about the pictures because I
don't use that feature. I don't think there is an automatic way to
transfer the video since it is lots of data. I think you have to use at
least Windows Movie Maker or some better video applications like ULead,
Pinnacle etc. It shows up as unknown device in Windows XP (32) and in
Windows 2003 x64 it showed up once as a 61883 Class Bus Device, but now
it is not there any more. I have tried the automatic install way of the
driver and I have tried to choose the driver myself, but I cannot find
any good driver since there is not driver.

I have tried to remove all three network protocols in the 1394
connection and I have tried to disable this connection and re-enable it
again, but nothing works. The strange thing is that it says it is
connected with 400Mbps although I have the cable unplugged from the
camera, but plugged into the computer only. Even after disable and
re-enable. I don't use FireWire for other devices and this is the only
FireWire cable.

Are you using a firewire network? Of course not, so disable
it! What do you have for the IEEE 1394 Bus Host Adapter
entry in System/Device Manager?
>I have tried to remove all three network protocols in the 1394
>connection and I have tried to disable this connection and re-enable it
>again, but nothing works. The strange thing is that it says it is
>connected with 400Mbps although I have the cable unplugged from the
>camera, but plugged into the computer only. Even after disable and
>re-enable. I don't use FireWire for other devices and this is the only
>FireWire cable.

I have never used FireWire as a network (and will probably never do it
either). Since I haven't used it I was afraid that disabling it would
disable the whole FireWire connection as well, but that is only for
network then?

I have a ASUS A8N SLI Deluxe MB which has the "Texas Instrument OHCI
Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller" in Device Manager. I have one FW
connection on the back of the computer and one on the front of the
computer and I have tried both of them with the same result

I have never used FireWire as a network (and will probably never do it
either). Since I haven't used it I was afraid that disabling it would
disable the whole FireWire connection as well, but that is only for
network then?

I have a ASUS A8N SLI Deluxe MB which has the "Texas Instrument OHCI
Compliant IEEE 1394 Host Controller" in Device Manager. I have one FW
connection on the back of the computer and one on the front of the
computer and I have tried both of them with the same result

On 17 Jan 2006 13:50:58 -0800, Niklas Engfelt wrote:
> Both are throwing pies at each other in other words. I don't think this
> is my problem though since my camera is fairly new.

There's a chance that it has nothing to do with a firewire
problem. This is just a guess (and one that's not too likely to be
the cause of your problem), but with my Fuji "still" camera, it
defaults as a mass storage device (DSC mode) for transferring
picture files to the computer via its USB port. But when used as a
video camera (for video conferencing) you have to use the camera's
menu to change it to WEB CAM mode. It would seem that if the
DCR-HC90E has both of those capabilities, it would default to a
video rather than to a file mode, and if so, then the DCR-HC90E
would not perform properly if it was accidentally set to a mass
storage device mode instead of its more normal video mode.

Thanks for the tips. I will try to change that setting. I have looked
through the menus, but nothing obvious so far, but I will look more
into it. I have tried with Windows XP(32), Windows 2003 (x64) and Vista
(x64), but only getting USB to work in bad resolution so far. USB seems
to only handle less quality and cannot control the camera. I'd like to
have the best possible resolution and be able to transfer, play, rewind
etc from the computer.

Best regards
Niklas

ASAAR wrote:
> On 17 Jan 2006 13:50:58 -0800, Niklas Engfelt wrote:
>
> > Both are throwing pies at each other in other words. I don't think this
> > is my problem though since my camera is fairly new.
>
> There's a chance that it has nothing to do with a firewire
> problem. This is just a guess (and one that's not too likely to be
> the cause of your problem), but with my Fuji "still" camera, it
> defaults as a mass storage device (DSC mode) for transferring
> picture files to the computer via its USB port. But when used as a
> video camera (for video conferencing) you have to use the camera's
> menu to change it to WEB CAM mode. It would seem that if the
> DCR-HC90E has both of those capabilities, it would default to a
> video rather than to a file mode, and if so, then the DCR-HC90E
> would not perform properly if it was accidentally set to a mass
> storage device mode instead of its more normal video mode.

On 10 Aug 2006 15:10:47 -0700, "Niklas Engfelt" <>
wrote:
>Thanks for the tips. I will try to change that setting. I have looked
>through the menus, but nothing obvious so far, but I will look more
>into it. I have tried with Windows XP(32), Windows 2003 (x64) and Vista
>(x64), but only getting USB to work in bad resolution so far. USB seems
>to only handle less quality and cannot control the camera. I'd like to
>have the best possible resolution and be able to transfer, play, rewind
>etc from the computer.
>
>Best regards
>Niklas
Sony uses the miniplug, right? if that's the case, remember that's no
power through the Firewire bus, unlike the big plug.
You need external power. Also it's a couple the MS hotfixes for
Firewire at least for XP32, I can't say about XP64.
I don't have a Sony camera and I don't run XP64, but anyway maybe this
can help.

Yes. Sony uses the mini-DV-plug. I am using a standard Firewire-cable
with big plug in one of the ends and mini-plug in the other end. I have
the camera connected to the wall-plug as well for the power so that
should be fine then.

I will search for hotfixes as well on support.microsoft.com and
premier.microsoft.com Thanks for the tips.

Best regards
Niklas

not me skrev:
> On 10 Aug 2006 15:10:47 -0700, "Niklas Engfelt" <>
> wrote:
>
> >Thanks for the tips. I will try to change that setting. I have looked
> >through the menus, but nothing obvious so far, but I will look more
> >into it. I have tried with Windows XP(32), Windows 2003 (x64) and Vista
> >(x64), but only getting USB to work in bad resolution so far. USB seems
> >to only handle less quality and cannot control the camera. I'd like to
> >have the best possible resolution and be able to transfer, play, rewind
> >etc from the computer.
> >
> >Best regards
> >Niklas
> Sony uses the miniplug, right? if that's the case, remember that's no
> power through the Firewire bus, unlike the big plug.
> You need external power. Also it's a couple the MS hotfixes for
> Firewire at least for XP32, I can't say about XP64.
> I don't have a Sony camera and I don't run XP64, but anyway maybe this
> can help.

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