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Fuck you, Lynne Cheney.

As a proud gay man, I don't get offended when someone calls me gay. It's merely a statement of fact. What does piss me off is when people act like there's something wrong with being gay, when people suggest that it's something to be ashamed of.

John Kerry called out George Bush at the debate last week on the question of gay marriage. When asked if he thought homosexuality is "a choice," he said "If you were to talk to Dick Cheney's daughter, who is a lesbian, she would tell you that she's being who she was, she's being who she was born as."

Immediately after the debate, Lynne Cheney said that it was wrong for Kerry to acknowledge their gay daughter, who is a very very out of the closet lesbian who runs Dick Cheney's campaign and has done outreach work to gay voters for Coors brewing and the Bush Cheney campaign. She said "The only thing I can conclude is he is not a good man. I'm speaking as a mom, what a cheap and tawdry political trick."

Excuse me? The only "cheap and tawdry political trick" performed Wednesday night was the one turned by the Cheney parental units. It was they who used their daughter's sexuality as a weapon against John Kerry's sympathetic (and very general) remark. If only Dick and Lynne were so indignant when their daughter was legitimately under attack by an administration willing to write gays and lesbians out of the nation's founding document." (stolen from Slate, via andrew sullavin).

Also, aren't you the one that wrote this salacious bit of lesbian historical fiction?

Let us go away together, away from the anger and imperatives of men. We shall find ourselves a secluded bower where they dare not venture. There will be only the two of us, and we shall linger through long afternoons of sweet retirement. In the evenings I shall read to you while you work your cross-stitch in the firelight. And then we shall go to bed, our bed, my dearest girl.

i was flipping through the channels this morning when i stumbled across the mclaughlin group. they were riffing on this subject. mr. mclaughlin brought up footage of a a cheney town hall meeting he had where he brought up the fact his daughter was gay and he was proud.
yet today these same republicans are saying to bring up the fact his daughter is gay is not fair game.
its funny how republicans work, they use one piece of information and its meant to be positive and when kerry merely points out the fact that cheney has a gay daughter, whom cheney passed on the comments and questions regarding gay marriage in his debate w/ john edwards.
republicans reek of mothballs.

Fuck Dick Cheney, too. If that heartless cyborg had any love for his daughter at all he would have resigned after Bush announced his support for the hate ammendment.

Fuck Mary Cheney. The jews, trade unionists, intellectuals, and artists had the sense not to work on Hitler's campaign for Chancellor or whatever you get elected to in Germany. Not you. You're out there making $100,000 a year selling out your own people. You're the most hated lesbian in America, and you deserve every drop of bile that flies your way.

It was...I kind of saw it as a well deserved cheap shot...but a strategic one...Kerry was going after some of the christian fundamentals in the last debate with all the scripture quotes and reminding everyone that cheney has a GAY DUAGHTER might have hit home with some bible beaters...

Originally posted by El Mamerro@Oct 18 2004, 07:24 AMI thought it was completely unnecessary for Kerry to bring up Cheney's daughter. But I did chuckle though.

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i thought it was a bit of a cheap shot too, but at the same time, fuck it. after comparing max cleland(sp?) to osama bin laden, telling conservative christians that kerry would outlaw the bible, and 'exposing' mccain's 'illegitamite' black child, they can hardly even begin to take any kind of moral stance.
republicans are like the 'bad guys' in WWF. they pull all kinds of dirty shit every time the ref turns around, but then bitch and complain when the 'good guys' do something even slightly off color.

it's funny, in addition to 12oz, i also post on a buddhist board. it's a very small group of people, and included one or two christians who also discuss things. the other day while arguing about politics, the christian, who is very christian mind you (and a parent of two children), in a fit of rage, told me to 'suck a fat cock'. this wasnt like a humerous sort of comment, dude was honestly pissed off. something about that just struck me as absolutely hillarious. the conservative christian was telling me to 'suck a fat cock' because he couldnt handle an intelligent discussion on politics.
obviously my point is fuck christians and republicans (and homosexual republicans of course.)

I'm glad JFK brought up Mary Cheney. I don't think it was cheap or a trick, I think it was a way to talk about gay marriage in an honest way. Too often people talk about gay marriage as if it's some abstract concept from the sky that will only affect "the family" or the "sanctitiy of marriage." When we talk about gay marriage we're talking about people who love each other and have every right to have their relationships recognized under the law. Mary Cheney, while totally morally bankrupt and willing to sell out her own people for politics, is one of these people. This is why there is nothing wrong with bringing her up in a discussion of gay marriage, just like there's nothing wrong with bringing up Dick Gebhardt's lesbian daughter Chrissy or Aalan Keyes' lesbian daughter Maya.

Mary Cheney doesn't keep her sexual orientation private, she's an out and proud lesbian. Her dad doesn't keep it private, so why should John Kerry?

i really wish that kerry would have handled the whole gay-marriage issue a bit differently.
i wish he would have pointed out that the 'sanctity' of marriage is completely destroyed when we have game shows that pick the bride and groom, so to tell a couple that truely loves eachother that they cant be married also, is a crock of shit. it's such an obvious, easy, no-nonsense answer that i think people would have had no choice but to respect it.
he could have still said that his religious beliefs lead him to believe in man-woman unions, but that his religious beliefs govern how he lives his life, not how he feels others should live theres.

actually, fuck it, i should just run for president.

justaname,
it wasn't about this topic at all, it was just a very brief, general, political discussion.

i suppose i shouldnt speak for all buddhists, but i'd be absolutely amazed if any buddhist organization took a stance other than that of complete love, compassion and acceptance of everyone with no attention what-so-ever paid to that persons choice of sexual preference.

and absolutely nothing personal, but i'd rather not share the board. it is VERY small and contains a whole lot of personal details about me that i would not be comfortable having connected to the graffiti world in any way.
i hope you can understand.

besides, i'm sure there are plenty of buddhist forums with a lot more discussion on it. just check with google.

thing is tho...cheney brought her into it at the RNC...he was trying to stress the fact that "hey we don't hate gays..the president and i don't agree on everything....i have a gay daughter" in short...

it's not like kerry outed cheney's daughter...and it's not like she's a private figure...if kerry was on some dickhead shit like that, he coulda mentioned bush's slutty daughters as a sign of the "good wholesome family morals" bush is such an advocate of...

john edwards acknowledged cheney's daughter in their debates...and dick cheney thanked him for the "kind words"...

it's not like kerry came out on some "yeah you know..dick's daughter is a clam bumper"...he came out respectful..he could have handled it differently but i don't see the big deal, even tho the republicans are spinning into some major fiasco...

they're trying to play kerry as this bad guy...and appeal to the lowest common denominator...

He didn't come out disrespectful at all, what he said was perfectly tasteful... but it wasn't necessary to bring her up to make his point, the point needed no specific examples. Bringing up Mary Cheney is the kind of thing you can be 100% certain is gonna piss Republicans off, and in these last weeks where getting the undecided votes is so important, it doesn't seem smart to throw something like that on the table at the risk of offending right-leaning undecideds. I don't understand why anyone's surprised at the outrage, the second he said it I was like "Ooooooh, that's gonna taste like shit for Cheney..."

Did I think it was deserved? Hell yes. Did I think it was smart? Not much.