Another reason to support work charging is the fact that solar electricity is generated mostly in the middle of the day, and it would be smart to utilize it. Utilities, like Southern California Edison, have already lowered the price of electricity because their grid is flooded by the solar during the day.

Tesla offers support also for hospitality, retail and multi-family homes:

WTF are you saying? I said it was very nice of Tesla to offer up their branded EVSE’s as well as standard ones.

I’m not the one expecting anything from anybody. They are offering something up for people to take advantage of, which again is VERY nice of them.

As far as other manufacturers their cars are typically cheaper so they have less ability to do this and in all honesty I don’t see what the big deal is in expecting to have people have their own EVSE. I have a portable one so I can plug it in at work or at home. No skin off my back if there is just a bare plug available that I can plug in to.

Let’s not kid ourselves though, Tesla isn’t doing this out of their own goodwill. People pay a premium for their cars so they can do things like this so in actuality people should be thanking every Tesla owner out there.

How about the next time you want to assume something you do it elsewhere so you don’t come off like a huge douche ok.

In conclusion, thanks again Tesla and every Tesla owner, it’s very nice of you to offer these.

Yes, that makes sense; from Tesla’s PoV, I don’t see much difference. Similar from the workplaces PoV.
Assuming Tesla doesn’t contractually limit use by non-Tesla vehicles (likely not, like they don’t with destination chargers) Workplaces might even decide to buy a few of the Jdapters, to share among non-Tesla EV owners, so they don’t all need to buy the adapter.

From article: “Having [Tesla] factory support for the charging infrastructure, employers don’t really have a reason to refuse the installation…”
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Unfortunately some employers may hold off providing employees EV charging at work (as an employee benefit) until the IRS clarifies if providing that benefit is exempt from taxable gross salary. For many companies it’s not as much an issue of the added tax as it’s the added hassle of having to tract and report which employees received how much $ charging benefit… the administrative cost of that could be greater than the $ benefit conferred.

“…the current federal tax uncertainty faced by employers may limit employers’ willingness to offer complimentary charging to their employees. Under current U.S. tax law, Treasury regulations, and IRS guidance, it is unclear whether and under what circumstances complimentary workplace charging may qualify for either the de minimis fringe or qualified transportation benefit exemptions…”
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The IRS treatment uncertainty would become a non-issue it for these work-place Tesla chargers rather than the employer paying for the electricity Tesla billed the driver directly to charge. This paid model would likely promote more Tesla chargers being installed at work places because it also addresses the issue of those EV owners that elect not to plug in at home at night and instead get a free full charge at work.

Tesla clearly doesn’t want to deal with monthly billing, nor billing people who are not Tesla car owners. If you have to pay for Tesla Supercharger use, you are billed for that the next time you visit a Tesla Service Center.

And in general, Tesla isn’t aiming to turn its Superchargers or its Destination Chargers into a profit-making enterprise. It’s intended to be profit-neutral.

To clarify: After Tesla installs a Destination Charger, it becomes the property of the business where it’s installed. Tesla does not control who uses it, nor does Tesla pay for the electricity. That’s up to the business owner.

“If you have to pay for Tesla Supercharger use, you are billed for that the next time you visit a Tesla Service Center.”

That’s NOT how Tesla bills owners for Supercharger use Dumb-Dumb. Do you actually think Tesla owners without free Supercharging can avoid paying for their Supercharger use simply by never going to a Tesla Service Center? Really? Double facepalm.

At first I thought this was a great idea. But with 200-300 mile Teslas, do you really need to charge at work? Perhaps if you did not have access to a plug at home. In that case, your boss would be footing the majority of your electrons.

This would be ideal for 60-100 mile Leaf, etc, but I don’t see the need for Teslas.

The IRS sounds like something in America. In Latvia, the State Revenue Dept. would have no problem with it. But the problem is with Tesla – there is still not a single Destination Charger in Latvia, Lithuania or Estonia. In addition, there is not even a single Supercharger in any of those countries either. In Russia, there in one Supercharger site in Moscow and no destination chargers at all and neither are there any Destination Chargers or Superchargers in Belarus. So why is Tesla introducing Workpkace chargers when they can’t even get their act together with Superchargers and Destination chargers? It must be easier than sending a Roadster into space?

I dunno, they cost like five hundred bucks or something? You can look it up for yourself if you want the precise figure. The amperage is whatever you set the DIP switches for, depending on what your service and wiring can support, up to (at least) 80A.

This can work well for businesses too. The station is free and the business electric rates are usually way lower than residential so even if they would scalp a couple of cents per kw would still be cheaper or as cheap as the owner charging at home. No losers here.

I think the business schedule for electricity is higher here than for residential, becuase they have higher peak demand needs than a typical residential household. The business may get a discount on on the per kWh price, but have to pay a premium to be able to pull megawatts of power vs kilowatts. For example a typical 100A panel can max pull 120V X 100A = 12kW. Install 1000 of these workplace chargers 7.2kW X 1000 = the infrastructure and billing schedule need to be able to supply more than 7megawatts of power at a time.

“Demand meters register the highest rate of electrical flow (or current) during a billing period. It’s actually a little more complicated than that, because the meter records an average flow for every 15 minute interval.

“The customer is billed for the highest average 15 minute flow during the billing period.”

There isn’t one single charging standard everyone can use. That’s the problem. Different EVs have CCS plugs, CHAdoMO plugs, or Tesla plugs.

Obviously Tesla isn’t going to install chargers that their own cars need an adapter to use, so their Destination Chargers will have the Tesla plug.

If you want to use one, then buy a Tesla adapter. And don’t look a gift horse in the mouth; Tesla isn’t making you pay for the charger. (Altho if the business arrangement is the same as for other Destination Chargers, then only the first two chargers are provided free by Tesla. Beyond that, the business has to pay for them.)

Nice thought by Tesla, but not really that helpful in most cases I would think. The barriers to installation at some workplaces can be the fact that installation costs are the vast majority of total project cost (the EVSE is only several % in the last estimate I got), not to mention the political environment at the work place (e.g. preferred parking due to being cheaper to install near buildings, “free fuel” for the vehicle, etc).

I agree the political environment today is toxic and is shutting down solutions to real problems sadly, look at how adults cannot keep our children safe in schools. I can imagine a conservative employee complaining about the liberal employee getting preferred parking and free fuel because the liberal employee drives an EV. Sad very sad indeed.

Workplace charging is the right way to go, in my opinion. It benefits the employees by providing relatively inexpensive and stable commuting costs. It gives employers sustainability cred when combined with rooftop solar. My company was given his offer by Tesla a few years ago. Although exciting at first, it had too many downsides for us. The “free charger” is not the most expensive part of such an installation. All the facility, utility and concrete work is what drives the cost. Also, as mentioned above, having a dedicated bank of Tesla chargers sends exactly the wrong message to the employees. Not everyone has a Tesla, and Tesla owners tend to be the highest paid employees. Thus we opted for Chargepoint, which provides us the flexibility for all types of EVs and PHEVs. That is my guess why Chargepoint dominates the workplace market in the Bay Area.

This +1000
We have 4 Chargepoint stations at work with more Bolts, Volts, Leafs, and Teslas. Having an exclusive Tesla charging station sends the wrong message to the employees. If the Teslas need to charge they can using their own adapters. The ratio of non-Teslas to Teslas is about 4 to 1.

In the meantime, my company has to deal with the world as it is now. Funny thing is – we seem to get the most EV etiquette complaints about Tesla owners. When Emily Post wrote her book on etiquette, it wasn’t intended to teach the poor to act like the well-heeled. Rather, it was teaching the nouveau-riche how not to be such boors.

For work place charging there are two situations, 1) employees charging you need the most compatible EVSE as employees will have the most diverse range of vehicles. Tesla should provide clear directive that non Tesla can charge at their station with the right adaptor (and make that adaptor readily available), and 2) employer vehicles as the employer changes their fleet from ICE to EV.
In either case, Tesla gets marketing recognition because it is their name on the EVSE so it really makes sense for them to be vehicle agnostic in this situation.
There are two barriers to employers putting in EVSE’s. Cost to install them (which can be very high depending on the location) and cost of the charging. Businesses are generally there to maximise their profits, so the general perception would be that free charging is the opposite of that. Given how progressive a tech company Tesla is, maybe they could have a business portal where the EVSE is managed, and even provide a plug for non Tesla EV’s, so business can track the vehicle charging through the individual vehicle ID (or non Tesla plug). This would give them the ability to see their EV charging consumption (for compliance and reporting) and/or allow them to charge back the power cost to the user. Pretty simple really.

“Tesla should provide clear directive that non Tesla can charge at their station with the right adaptor (and make that adaptor readily available)…”

Nope. Tesla just installs its Destination Chargers; it’s up to the business to set policy for their use and to pay for the electricity.

It’s the business which should make it clear to their employees that any EV owner is free to use the Tesla Destination Chargers, and to provide information on where non-Tesla drivers can buy adapters for their use. Tesla doesn’t make those.

I suppose one could argue that the business should provide adapters for non-Tesla drivers, but personally I think that would be asking a bit much, unless it’s a company-owned car.

IMHO, I think there should be more L2 10KW stations around. Those lame 3.3Kw EVSE’s are basically trickle chargers.
I hate when a 6.6Kw EVSE is taken buy a slow ass charging PHEV and charges at 2KW. What a waste.

So the rich CEO or VP that drives a S or X that can afford to put his own plug in his private parking spot if he wanted can now get it for free while Tesla is burning cash has record losses and a car it pinned it’s future on being constantly delayed. When will the board wise up and fire Elon Musk! He might be a genius but it doesn’t take one to run a company!

So the rich CEO or VP that drives a S or X that can afford to put his own plug in his private parking spot if he wanted can now get it for free while Tesla is burning cash has record losses and a car it pinned it’s future on being constantly delayed. When will the board wise up and fire Elon Musk! He might be a genius but it doesn’t take one to run a company!