I don't think there's any sin associated with that. I don't condemn somebody for doing that."

You know Pat...I don't give a flying fark at rolling doughnut what you think, as if your an arbertrator of what's sin or not. That ego you have..that even to make what you "Think" is sin or not is amazingly self-serving.Especially when it's not your place to "Condemn somebody for doing that"...HELLO..you can't do that unless you think farken GOD---asshole.

You know Pat...I don't give a flying fark at rolling doughnut what you think, as if your an arbertrator of what's sin or not. That ego you have..that even to make what you "Think" is sin or not is amazingly self-serving.Especially when it's not your place to "Condemn somebody for doing that"...HELLO..you can't do that unless you think farken GOD---asshole.

I think the saying should be moved from "Don't judge people" to "Don't judge people for things other than their actions". If you never judge someone, you're going to live your life getting ripped off constantly by bad people. There comes a point where you simply must judge people by the things that they do.

Interesting that the Christian community - of all stripes - are starting to pretend to be more tolerant, in very sharply defined, very fluid statements that can be backed down on with their base but will help to get young people and their disposable income into their churches. It's almost as if they're starting to realize that the reason they're losing money and power is that everyone is tired of hearing how bigoted they are.

Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?

Homosexuality is about sex with someone of the same gender

Transgenderism is about gender alone.

Not all transgendered people engage in sexual relations with members of their same biological sex

I don't really care who farks who, but I was thinking logically: If in your life you have officially been both genders, then regardless of which one you prefer it is possible to connect the dots in a homo way.

You know Pat...I don't give a flying fark at rolling doughnut what you think, as if your an arbertrator of what's sin or not. That ego you have..that even to make what you "Think" is sin or not is amazingly self-serving.Especially when it's not your place to "Condemn somebody for doing that"...HELLO..you can't do that unless you think farken GOD---asshole.

I think the saying should be moved from "Don't judge people" to "Don't judge people for things other than their actions". If you never judge someone, you're going to live your life getting ripped off constantly by bad people. There comes a point where you simply must judge people by the things that they do.

Benevolent Misanthrope:Interesting that the Christian community - of all stripes - are starting to pretend to be more tolerant, in very sharply defined, very fluid statements that can be backed down on with their base but will help to get young people and their disposable income into their churches. It's almost as if they're starting to realize that the reason they're losing money and power is that everyone is tired of hearing how bigoted they are.

Even then, it would not stop the religious right in America from discriminating against people for their sexuality or gender issues, or even just being a little more masculine or feminine from the norm for their gender. You see, the Religious Right does not believe anyone did not have a choice to do this. They CHOOSE to be transgendered. They choose to be gay/lesbian. It's a "lifestyle". That's how they justify their actions to their conscience at night.

Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?

Homosexuality is about sex with someone of the same gender

Transgenderism is about gender alone.

Not all transgendered people engage in sexual relations with members of their same biological sex

Is that really true? Is there someone who's like "I'm a woman trapped inside a man's body... but that woman is a lesbian who likes other women"? And in Robertson-land, does that count as hetero (considering that in TFA he says he's still not down with the concept without the operation)? Honest questions.

Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?

Homosexuality is about sex with someone of the same gender

Transgenderism is about gender alone.

Not all transgendered people engage in sexual relations with members of their same biological sex

Is that really true? Is there someone who's like "I'm a woman trapped inside a man's body... but that woman is a lesbian who likes other women"? And in Robertson-land, does that count as hetero (considering that in TFA he says he's still not down with the concept without the operation)? Honest questions.

And... why did I not think to post a picture of Janet Garrison scissoring Xerxes with that question?

Oddly enough, Saudi Arabia is also very moderate about gender reassignment surgery. Their policy is that it is acceptable if there is a "real reason", "other than vanity and a desire for attention". If so, their government pays for sexual reassignment surgery as well.

It is "juristically compared to that of a physical hermaphrodite in Islamic Law. Once a physical hermaphrodite's dominant sexual orientation becomes clear, the hermaphrodite is thereafter considered to be of that gender."

This generous attitude probably stems from the problems associated with incestuous marriage in Arabia, producing far more than the typical number of children with all sorts of birth defects. They are willing to spend the bucks to get good pediatric care, and take a sensible approach to it.

Super Chronic:Is there someone who's like "I'm a woman trapped inside a man's body... but that woman is a lesbian who likes other women"?

Ignoring the issue of what haploid cell they produce, part of the background of being transgendered is that the brain reacts in a similar manner to the sex they feel they are, even though the brain is not completely "femininzed" in the case of MtFs and "masculinized" in the case of FtMs.

Since this is the case, a transgendered individual dating someone of the same biological sex would in all reality be "straight", as the interaction is the same it would be if the person was born with a biologically female body and gender-normal brain.

Granted it gets a little complicated, but how can you be transgender without being in some sense homosexual?

Homosexuality is about sex with someone of the same gender

Transgenderism is about gender alone.

Not all transgendered people engage in sexual relations with members of their same biological sex

Is that really true? Is there someone who's like "I'm a woman trapped inside a man's body... but that woman is a lesbian who likes other women"? And in Robertson-land, does that count as hetero (considering that in TFA he says he's still not down with the concept without the operation)? Honest questions.

That is totally true. Whether that counts as hetero or homo in Robertson-land is anybody's guess.

ekdikeo4:I think the saying should be moved from "Don't judge people" to "Don't judge people for things other than their actions". If you never judge someone, you're going to live your life getting ripped off constantly by bad people. There comes a point where you simply must judge people by the things that they do.

Yes. Clearly we know nothing of other people's intent with respect to any action, other than what they tell us, so it's only the action itself we may judge. The quotation many people are citing with this statement (Matthew 7) does not, in context, say that we should withhold judgement, but rather that judgement should be tempered with understanding of how you want to be judged.

And we should always bear in mind that past actions only have limited predictive value with respect to future actions, because circumstances and people are constantly changing everyone involved is limited by their own perception.