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<p>Every used market functions differently, and so what. No one is forcing gamers to buy used games.If you have an ethical issue with it ,don't buy them.</p><p>There's nothing immoral or illegal about selling a used product which you own.</p>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 23:08:44 +0000Mouspotatocomment 200782 at http://gamepolitics.comRe: God of War's David Jaffe Rants on Used Games & We Rant ...http://gamepolitics.com/2009/03/03/god-war039s-david-jaffe-rants-used-games-amp-we-rant-back#comment-200733
<p>That's true, but if you sell your game for $30, which is still cheap. BINGO! you've just made yourself $25 million!</p>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 18:48:44 +0000DaveGcomment 200733 at http://gamepolitics.comRe: God of War's David Jaffe Rants on Used Games & We Rant Backhttp://gamepolitics.com/2009/03/03/god-war039s-david-jaffe-rants-used-games-amp-we-rant-back#comment-200684
<p>But there's a difference between games and those products.&nbsp; You're not selling your chair back to Ikea to sell again for $5 less than a new one.&nbsp; Ikea also isn't trying to force used chairs down your throat as soon as you walk in, discouraging the sale of new chairs.&nbsp; The chair manufacturer isn't pouring money into promoting Ikea.</p>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:40:36 +0000lumicomment 200684 at http://gamepolitics.comRe: God of War's David Jaffe Rants on Used Games & We Rant Backhttp://gamepolitics.com/2009/03/03/god-war039s-david-jaffe-rants-used-games-amp-we-rant-back#comment-200603
<p>On the issue of whether the used game market is the consumers business,I feel the opposite of Jaffe. It's entirely and only the consumers business and none of the game industries business.</p><p>Just like what I do with my used book is non of Stephen Kings business,or how what I do with my used chair is non of IKEAS business,or like what I do with my used Macbook is non of Apples business etc. etc.</p><p>This is the way the market works. You design and build something into physical form and put it up for sale and once someone buys it,it's not your's anymore and you have no right to dictate what others can do with it.&nbsp; This is the way it's always worked and I don't see why the game industry should be given special rights that other industries don't get. The consumer won't accept any restrictions, and will find a way around any restrictions if they were to ever be put in place.</p><p>&nbsp;</p>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 10:47:16 +0000Mouspotatocomment 200603 at http://gamepolitics.comRe: God of War's David Jaffe Rants on Used Games & We Rant ...http://gamepolitics.com/2009/03/03/god-war039s-david-jaffe-rants-used-games-amp-we-rant-back#comment-200520
<p>Fair enough on the car/furniture analogy.&nbsp; You make a very valid point.</p><p>Due to your last points, I'd like to offer a rebuttal of two points.&nbsp; 1)&nbsp;Why should game manufacturers work to make their product less valuable to their customers?&nbsp; If resale value is part of the value to me, isn't that a good thing?&nbsp; Typically, high resale value is good. &nbsp;The argument they make is that it denies them the ability to make first sale money.&nbsp; Perhaps, but this would be easily mitigated I believe with a graduated pricing scheme.&nbsp; This is something they have been unwilling to do in any well understood scale.&nbsp;&nbsp;&quot;DLC &quot;&nbsp;for the first time buyer only is just a backdoor way to try and control the value to me and make it less useful for me in the resale market. &nbsp;This is a shallow ploy, and one that is annoying at best.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>2)&nbsp;&quot;the used market needs to change&quot;.&nbsp; Why?&nbsp; Are video game manufacturers hurting?&nbsp; Are they not enjoying record profits?&nbsp; Record sales?&nbsp; There is no actual problem here.&nbsp;&nbsp; The only problem is that, while earning millions in profits, they identified an area they think they could earn even more money if they worked against their customers and started treating their customers as competitors.&nbsp; This is a stupid business decision.&nbsp; Customers don't like being treated this way.&nbsp; They should enjoy their success.&nbsp; Perhaps, rather than some &quot;knee jerk&quot;&nbsp;moronic competition, they should find a way to offer actual value back.&nbsp; How about this:&nbsp;&nbsp;For an extra $5, they'll give you a new copy of the manual, a fresh DVD&nbsp;case, and a guaruntee on the disk.&nbsp; How about they keep releasing DLC&nbsp;that makes their game mroe valuable in the future and I&nbsp;don't WANT&nbsp;to sell it used.&nbsp; How about they lower the price of the game by $10 every month for the first four months so that after 4-5 months it only costs $10-$20 (obvious exceptions around Christmas).&nbsp;&nbsp;</p>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 19:45:29 +0000bgmntcomment 200520 at http://gamepolitics.comRe: God of War's David Jaffe Rants on Used Games & We Rant Backhttp://gamepolitics.com/2009/03/03/god-war039s-david-jaffe-rants-used-games-amp-we-rant-back#comment-200458
<p>I&nbsp;would venture a guess that more consumers suck it up and buy the whole package for $60 ($50, really...what the hell are you people buying? &nbsp;I can't remember the last time I saw ANY&nbsp;game for more than $50, and most of my recent purchases have been less than that, new), and just ignore the parts they don't want, than refrain from buying a package deal because they only want one part.</p><p>I wonder how many copies of The Orange Box were sold JUST for Portal?</p>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:49:25 +0000lumicomment 200458 at http://gamepolitics.comRe: God of War's David Jaffe Rants on Used Games & We Rant ...http://gamepolitics.com/2009/03/03/god-war039s-david-jaffe-rants-used-games-amp-we-rant-back#comment-200456
<p>Only hurting yourself there, GoW is an amazing series.&nbsp;</p><p>It's frustrating to see the ridiculous kneejerk reactions from this site.&nbsp; I&nbsp;cannot <em>believe</em> I'm actually seeing posters here using <em>piracy</em> to argue in favor of used game sales...how hypocritical is that, after all the debate that's gone on here over that very topic?</p>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:37:56 +0000lumicomment 200456 at http://gamepolitics.comRe: God of War's David Jaffe Rants on Used Games & We Rant Backhttp://gamepolitics.com/2009/03/03/god-war039s-david-jaffe-rants-used-games-amp-we-rant-back#comment-200455
<p>A &quot;$100 collectible game&quot; is the exception, not the rule.&nbsp; Trying to sell a used game on eBay for $45 bucks that retails for $60 isn't that big a deal, assuming you're not trying to gouge the buyer on shipping (which is a whole other idiotic matter).</p>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:34:12 +0000lumicomment 200455 at http://gamepolitics.comRe: God of War's David Jaffe Rants on Used Games & We Rant ...http://gamepolitics.com/2009/03/03/god-war039s-david-jaffe-rants-used-games-amp-we-rant-back#comment-200454
<p>DS games work on both the DS and the DS&nbsp;Lite.&nbsp; The improvements are made to offer a better product, and to entice people who might have been on the fence to take the plunge and buy Nintendo instead of Sony.&nbsp; You know many people who just threw away their DS when the Lite came out and bought that instead?</p>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:30:45 +0000lumicomment 200454 at http://gamepolitics.comRe: God of War's David Jaffe Rants on Used Games & We Rant ...http://gamepolitics.com/2009/03/03/god-war039s-david-jaffe-rants-used-games-amp-we-rant-back#comment-200452
<p>This is such a strawman...name an instance of a new console coming out within three YEARS of the same company's previous generation, let alone 3 months.&nbsp; How is this at all relevant?</p>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:28:27 +0000lumicomment 200452 at http://gamepolitics.com