In February 1991, Bosnian Muslim leader Alija Izetbegovic declared, "I would sacrifice peace for a sovereign Bosnia-Herzegovina." He was true to his word; his government’s declaration of independence in March 1992 sparked off a civil war, pitting Bosnia’s ethnic communities — Serbs, Muslims, and Croats — against each other over the following three and a half years.

The timing of Izetbegovic’s statement was particularly interesting, and often overlooked. He was promising a war to get an independent Bosnia at the moment the U.S.-led coalition was launching Operation Desert Storm to liberate Kuwait from the Iraqi invaders. Initial reluctance of the Western public to back the operation was transformed into an eagerness to "get Saddam" through reports of Iraqi atrocities, such as the one of babies being thrown out of incubators and killed. Though it turned out much later that the story was a complete fabrication, it had already served its purpose.

This lesson was not lost on Izetbegovic, who hired the same PR agency that launched the "incubator babies" hoax, and decided to fight the war not in the trenches, but on CNN. The goal was simple: through real, imagined, or exaggerated suffering, the Muslims would attract external military intervention. Just like in Kuwait. So the manufacturing of myths began.

Weapons of War

One after another, the claims came in: the war was "aggression" from Serbia, intent on "genocide." There were Serb "death camps" in western Bosnia. Serbs were systematically raping Muslim women. The siege of Sarajevo was worse than Leningrad and Stalingrad combined. Some 300,000 Muslims alone had been killed by 1993. Izetbegovic’s Foreign Minister, Haris Silajdzic, and UN Ambassador Muhamed Sacirbey tirelessly repeated whichever message of the day was on the agenda, to whoever would listen. Bereft of an enemy in the aftermath of the Cold War, the West ate it up. So did Islamic militants, after the end of the Afghan jihad.

Eventually, however, the myths were exposed. The total death toll of the war was just under 100,000, and included many Serbs and Croats. The war in Sarajevo, however brutal, was exaggerated and manipulated for propaganda purposes. There was no evidence of mass rape, let alone its alleged systematic nature. The "death camps" were a hoax.

In 1993, the Izetbegovic regime sued Serbia before the International Court of Justice, alleging aggression and genocide. Francis Boyle, the American lawyer who wrote the lawsuit, asserted in 1995 that, "the claims of the Bosnian People for genocide will be vindicated for the entire world to see and for all of history to know." Yet in 2007, the ICJ rejected every single claim from the lawsuit.

The sole exception was Srebrenica, where the ICJ took for granted the decision by its bastard cousin, the ICTY, that "genocide" had been committed there. Srebrenica thus became the last remaining myth of the Bosnian War, and the foundation on which the entire war "narrative" came to rest.

Facts and Fiction

The story officially espoused by the Muslim government is that, following the capture of Srebrenica in July 1995, Bosnian Serb forces separated men and boys from the civilian refugees and summarily executed them. The exact number of victims is never specified, ranging from 7,000 to "over 8,000." Though vague and riddled with inconsistencies, this story has been accepted unquestioningly by the Western media and the ICTY, and is repeated ad nauseam.

When the Bosnian Serb troops entered Srebrenica on July 11, 1995, they did so unopposed. Some 5,500 Muslim soldiers, members of the 28th Division of the Bosnian Army, had abandoned the town — and their families — and set off on a march towards Muslim-controlled Tuzla. The civilian population sought shelter at the UN compound in the hamlet of Potocari. Serb forces provided them with food and water, then commandeered buses and trucks from the surrounding Serb areas to evacuate them to Muslim-held territory. Today the Dutch UN peacekeepers are accused of "complicity" while the Serbs allegedly massacred Muslims before their very eyes. But nothing of the sort happened. UN investigator Henry Wieland, who in July 1995 spent a week interviewing the Muslims evacuated from Potocari, reported, "we have not found anyone who saw with their own eyes an atrocity taking place."

That the "genocide" memorial and cemetery were built on the site of the UN compound in Potocari is an act of supreme cynicism and manipulation.

Neither Corpus nor Delicti

Advocates of the official story point to a number of verdicts by the ICTY, thousands of bodies found in mass graves, and the confessions of executioners, and demand that the entire world accepts the Srebrenica "genocide" as "judicial fact." This type of approach is typical for PR, where what matters is what people believe. In law, however, what matters is what one can prove. Yet when it comes to proof, both the ICTY and the advocates of the official story consistently come up short.

The crown witness, on whom the entire case hangs, is a liar. Other witnesses have been exposed as serial perjurers. The ICTY’s own forensic evidence, gathered over the past fifteen years, has yielded 3,568 autopsy reports, but fewer than 2,000 actual bodies. Only 442 bodies in the mass graves have ligatures and/or blindfolds, strongly suggesting execution. The DNA evidence allegedly collected by the International Commission for Missing Persons (a quasi-NGO run by the U.S. government) has not been shown to anyone — including the ICTY prosecutors and judges! Even so, DNA evidence can only identify the bodies; it cannot prove the manner of death. Yet the ICTY maintains that the DNA evidence collected by ICMP somehow "proves" these people were executed.

Genocide is defined by a 1948 UN Convention as actions "committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such" (emphasis added).

No proof of such intent was ever produced by the ICTY. Instead, the intent was inferred based on the bodies recovered, whose final number itself was inferred back from the alleged genocidal intent. If this sounds like circular logic, that’s because it is.

But who are the dead, then? Overwhelmingly, members of that 28th Division column mentioned earlier, who abandoned their families and set forth towards Tuzla. Reports and testimonies of those who survived, along with the combat logs of Bosnian Serb units, paint a picture of a harrowing trek through minefields, under artillery fire, and constant skirmishes with Bosnian Serb units pursuing them or seeking to bar their path. Some people just gave up and died of heat exhaustion, hunger, and exposure. And as the forensic evidence mentioned indicates, a number of them were captured, bound, and shot. This was clearly a war crime, and should be prosecuted as such. But to call it genocide requires stretching the definition of the act beyond recognition.

Politics of Genocide

This approach fits, however, into the pattern of PR propaganda concerning Bosnia. From the very beginning of the war, the Serbs were presented as the new Nazis. Croats and Muslims were presented not as combatants, but as innocent victims. James Harff, of PR firm Ruder Finn, explained the purpose of this to a French journalist in a 1993 interview:

"…the Croatian and Bosnian past was marked by a real and cruel anti-semitism [sic]. Tens of thousands of Jews perished in Croatian camps. So there was every reason for intellectuals and Jewish organizations to be hostile towards the Croats and Bosnians. Our challenge was to reverse this attitude. And we succeeded masterfully."

By cynically manufacturing false parallels to the Holocaust, then exploiting them to gain support in the Western public, the regimes in Zagreb and Sarajevo were not just demonizing their current enemy, but whitewashing their own past.

Meanwhile, some Americans have tried to use Srebrenica (and subsequently the equally imaginary genocide in Kosovo) as justification for the American Empire, the only force capable of "stopping genocides" that were apparently commonplace all over the world — in what one commentator dubbed the "weaponization of human rights." The tears shed by Imperial officials at Srebrenica commemorations are supposed to wash their consciences clear of their own murders in Iraq and elsewhere. Such are the politics of genocide.

Yeah. Those 5500 'soldiers', some of them fearsome 14 year olds just disappeared! Imagine that. And the bulk of the male population of the town – just a conspiracy once again to blacken the name of Mala Serbia, always the victim. I served in Bosnia and Kosovo for many years and take the view of the' plague on all their houses'; Serbian, Kosovar,' Bosniac', Croat militias -all the same.

But this Serbian victim complex has got to go. I saw plenty of bodies (with ligatures and holes in the head), not all klilled by Serbs, but enough to convince me that the 'Serbs as victims' line is tiresome and certainly does the Serbian cause no favourrs. I suppose the recently found containers at the training centre at Batajnica were a kind gesture to Kosovars to save them the bother of burying their dead relatives. Give us a break Nebojsa .

paleo

That Serbian victim complex arises from a 100% Western media demonization of just one ethnic group: the Serbs. If you had watched or read CNN/BBC/NYT you would know what I'm talking about.. The Muslims, Croats, and Albanians think they are victims because the media never tells them about their own atrocities against Serbs (or Muslims against Croats and vice versa), and the Serbs think they are victims because the media *only* talks about their atrocities and never about atrocities done to them (which the Serbs know about from personal connections, but most people in the West do not). If the media had reported evenly about all atrocities/war crimes, then such a victim complex would not have arisen in any single group in the Balkans and everyone could approach the war history with far greater honesty and maturity. Unfortunately, that did not happen, and we know it didn't because it wasn't in the interest of Western politicians to actually speak the truth.

MichaelKenny

The only thing that can be said to this article is "so what?". All of this is past history! Modern Europe is about turning the page and moving on, not about raking over old coals. The latter is an American vice, born of the "end of history" delusion. The purpose of these articles is simply to "stir the pot" and flog the dead horse of another failed Israel Lobby attempt to set Europeans at each others' throats, the better to keep them divided and thus under the jackboot of Israel's American bully. No modern European thinks like that!

gestur

Good article, keep it up!

Victor

«…his government’s declaration of independence in March 1992 sparked off a civil war!»

I see that Malic keeps on with his own explanation of the war! As usual, he plays with numbers!

«See, we did not kill 300 000, as they have reported; we barely killed 100 000.»

According to my analysis, even a 1000 killed would have been too much! Acrime against humanity as the one perpetrated by Mladic in 1995 is a crime against us all. Mladic is a psychopath woho took revenge on all the men of Srebrenica because of Oric's crimes against Srebrenica.

We all know this and the rest is barely futile rhetoric.

Nikole

«See, we did not kill 300 000, as they have reported; we barely killed 100 000.»

It's you who plays with numbers. The number cited includes Serbian, Croatian, Gypsy and yes, Muslim, victims. The 100,000 is the number who died in a civil war.

paleo

And half of those 100,000 victims were military. Look, this numbers game is a bit sick, but it's being engaged in precisely because the liars earlier played the numbers game by concocting stories of 300,000 dead Muslim civilians and 60,000 raped Muslims. Pure lies deserve rigorous contradictions and demands for evidence.

Oh, and Naser Oric did not act alone. Very many of the men of Srebrenica had blood on their hands from their operations against the Serb civilians and POWs of the surrounding areas. Naser Oric did not and could not have done everything on his own.

Victor

Srebrenica was a huge DEATH CAMP where Mladic was observing from the hills. Bosnians had nothing to eat, nothing to drink, and his men were firing on civilians who were walking in the streets, in the fields, in front of their homes! Oric tried to help finding food, and water, as much as he could; trying to help his people. Mladic is responsible for the crimes perpetrated by Oric while he was looking for food and water to drink.

Victor

I know this! But for years, Serbs played with numbers in complete denial of what happend… and they're doing the same with the number of the srebrenica genocide.

Kris

This article is an affront to all normally well informed people.
Kris

zemoralist

If by "normally well informed people" you mean those who listen to CNN, BBC, NYT, VOA, IPR and other Western propaganda outlets I can see what you mean. But, a real affront is committed by those like you who have the arrogance of presuming that you are well informed when you are well dis-informed.

Victor

I agree with you 200%. Malic and his radical friends have a lecture of their own of what happened during the war. Too bad they were not there; they would know better!

Another good article from Malic. Exposing corporate/controlled Media lies.

Ian

Unbelievable,

This fellow Nebojsa is stuck on Serbians as victims. We get it please move to something else.
Repetition of the same points is not going going convince anyone.

paleo

I don't see anywhere that he mentions Serb victims. This article is more like a refutation of *some* allegations made against Serbs, i.e. it is a "defensive" piece, not some sort of lachrymose paper on Serb suffering. You must be thinking of the way the NYT wrote about Muslims.

Advisor

Why Ian? Is the truth hurting you? This has just began to reach the minimum of the volume of lies spewed vociferously for years against the Serbs. Would you rather have the lies continue?
Bravo Mr. Malic. Kill them with the facts. Don't let a lie stay alive.
Advisor

Stanislav

I failed to see much lamenting over Serbian victims in spite of the undisputed fact that they were numerous. Just today Shimon Peres visited Jasenovac and acknowledged a full scale genocide that by cruelty surpassed all Nazi camps. So why should Serbian victims stay silent? Does it offend the Christiana Amanpour soapbox policies, Jamie Shey, Bill Clinton, Wesley Clark, Tony Bleehr, and other true culprits who should be tried at the International Crimes Tribunal? If that is your only reason – better look elsewhere. These facts and these victims are undisputed (unlike Muslim victims from Srebrenica which keep changing according to political need).

Stanislav Kalenic

RogueBuddha

Victor
stop making shit up as you go along. If 50 fools believe in a lie and sit together nodding their heads, it doesnt become a truth. The whole Srebernica genocide myth has been discredited, you have to be a pedigreed fool to believe that crap.http://www.srebrenica-report.com/numbers.htm

Robert Lind

All this Serb apology is so moronic and childish. According to Serb apologists, Serbs are some kind of angels who never did anything wrong, any atrocity ascribed to Serbs is automatically a "forgery" and invention of the eeevil and Serbophobic (what a stupid term) "Western media". Anyone even slightly doubting about this orthodoxy of Serbian 100% innocence gets tagged as someone who has been "brainwashed by the western media". I mean, this kind of "argumentation" is so excruciatingly stupid and nonsensical, that it's really no wonder that hardly anyone is willing to hear the Serb side of the story.

paleo

No, no, and no.

Nobody said Serbs were angels. Nobody said Serbs didn't commit war crimes, a lot of them actually.

Some atrocities did take place as stated in the media, e.g. wholesale expulsion of hundreds of thousands of non-Serbs out of Republika Srpska, with quite a high level of organization in some places, and massacres of hundreds of civilians and POWs in a variety of locations. In addition, the destruction of Islamic and Roman Catholic religious architecture was quite widespread.

Some war crimes took place but were exaggerated, e.g. massacres occurred, but on a much smaller and less systematic scale than was suggested. By most accounts, 35,000 Muslim civilians died in the Bosnian war (and not just at the hands of Serbs), not the 250,000 figure that was cited in the early and late 1990s.

Some war crimes did not take place at all, e.g. there was no such thing as "systematic rape" whereby the political and military leadership ordered a policy of rape and in which 60,000 Muslim women were raped. That's an outright lie. There was rape of course, in some detention facilities dozens of women were raped, but that is a completely different dimension from what was alleged.

Some atrocities alleged against the Bosnian Serbs were intentionally manipulated to generate a false picture. For instance, "death camps" turned out to be a hoax. The detention facilities in many parts of Bosnia were sites where prisoners were mistreated, tortured, and in some cases killed. The misuse of language in order to approximate Bosnia 1992-1995 to the Holocaust was shameless and disgusting. We all know now that there were no Auschwitz or Dachau – like facilities in Bosnia.

And finally, not one category of atrocity alleged against the Serbs is unmatched by the same on the opposing side. Muslims and Croats demolished Orthodox churches (and Croats did the same to mosques and Muslims to Catholic churches). Muslims and Croats massacred large numbers of Serb civilians. Muslims and Croats expelled hundreds of thousands of Serbs. Muslims and Croats raped Serb women. Muslims and Croats detained Serbs in facilities in which they were mistreated, tortured, and in some cases killed. And not only did they do all this to Serbs, they also did it to each other (i.e. Muslim vs. Croat and Croat vs. Muslim) in the 1993-1994 Muslim-Croat war that ravaged central Bosnia.

So there is really no "apology" or "excuse" here. It is merely setting forth the facts and refuting the lies and propaganda.

Hrebeljanovic

If you are not capable of bringing up any facts that would deny Mr. Malic's writings, then you are the one who is "so excruciatingly stupid and nonsensical".

Stanislav

Which EXACT sentence calls Serbs "some kind of angels"? I dare you to quote it – I double dare you. Your claim seems a great deal more moronic – but such is human nature – we usually accuse others of our own shortcomings.

Bokica

If you are such intelegent and informed, please tell us : WHY SERBS DIDN'T KILL ANYBODY FROM ZEPCA, BUT KILLED " E V E R Y B O D Y " FROM SREBRENICA ?! HOW COME ?!
The fact is that Serbs took in the same time both towns, but they " commited genocide " only in Srebrenica ! WHY ? If they are " genocidal criminals" they suppossed to kill all Muslims in the area , but they didn't !
WHY , GENIUS ?!……and, yes, I know….I made sam grammar mistakes….

Wildey

In 1898, Teddy Roosevelt had decided to push America toward Empire. No longer would our military be used for defensive purpose. William Randolph Hurst was complicit with "TR". He sent the painter Remington to Cuba to paint the war that he would be orchcestrating between America an Spain. Remington cabled back there is "no war to paint". Hurst cabled him back…"You provide the paintings, I'll provide the war. Since that time, every war America has engaged in has been offensive in nature.
The war in Yugoslavia is just one more in America's road to Empire. TR, Wilson, FDR and their ilk were/are amoral, function outside God's rules of morality. The Zionist, not some Jews, have control of America's foreign policy and are intermingling their goal of taking Judea and Samaria with their goals for America.

gary

boo hoo.. the poor serbs are again cast as the bad guys…..what did we ever do to get all this hatred?…we all saw what the serbs did to sarajevo…mr malic can write until his face turns blue but he cannot change that fact… all sides committed atrocities…its a war..but this constant claim that the serbs are victims of circumstance and bad reportingis not only wrong but very tiresome..give it up mr malic i for one am not buying it

Hrebeljanovic

Pry tell us where did you find that "hatred"? ".we all saw what the serbs did to sarajevo" is this the best fact you can come up with? The fact that Muslims bombed their own people for PR purposes keeps alluding people like you. Besides, who cares whether you are buying "it", or not.

Stanislav

Apparently the boo-hoo is not working too well any more. After bombing hospitals, bridges and civilian instalations for 3 months the vastly superior Allied powers didn't dare set foot on the ground of Serbia. Now your Hitlary Clinton is threatening China from Hanoi (of all places) preparing for joint Navy excercizes with South Korea. Did you forget the reach of the North Korean missiles? Did you discount China's passivity and mistook it for endless tolerance? Your Boo-hoo ("let's piss on the rest of the world and convince them it's rainwater") is not working any more. Since you are "not buying it change the channel pick some feminist issue to support, or some other fashionably metrosexual issue from one of our many super-liberal brain donors (NYC, San Francisco, Chicago, Los Angeles, etc.)

You should at least admit the story Malic tells is little differant than the mainstream media's story . Malic has not said Serbs were always innocet victims . But he only reports the truth as he finds it .
NATO more specificialy the leading countries in NATO Germany and the United States were the real perpetuators of these wars . And you must admit they only admit to being peacemakers . So the Hague court is only a political coverup court . Fact is the Hague court even promised not to look for NATO crimes . This is truely sad becuase I believe there were more NATO crimes covered uo in the 1990s ,than nazi crimes coveredup in the 1940s . This could only be becuase NATO has superior propaganda machinary then even the nazi's had . If this does not scare you , you cant be helped .

According to participants reports Mr. Izetbegovic cried and begged Germans to drop plans for a civil war. I hope Mr.Malic has resources to check into these reports. There was an agreement to avoid war, Mr. Izetbegovic was called out, 15 min. later he returned and changed his mind on the agrement between 3 ethnic groups. The result was war and Austro-Hungarian Empire was re-born.

USA

The forensic evidence clearly show that 442 people were massacred. What has to be done is to determine the ethnic and/or religious identity of these victims, to the extent that that is possible. They could have been Muslims, Serbs, Croats or anyone else. Mr. Malic may not be correct when he states that they were Muslims. What is his evidence and where is it?

no we are not all going to hell any way . But many liars will go to hell .

Karl

I can hardly believe home moronic a number of these comments were. But in the end they only prove that Srebrenica is the most successful imperial lie ever. Which makes this piece all the more important.

thoughtbell

The wars following WW2 recycle and update the same sorts of manipulation of information and perception, beginning perhaps with the remarkable propaganda war waged against Jacobo Arbenz in Guatemala in 1953 in the interests of the United Fruit Company. One sees the same narratives of manufactured outrage in Panama, Iraq, and Yugoslavia employed to excuse truly horrific bombings. Another ploy is the demonizing of one leader. A myriad of PR-type entities, including governmental institutions such as the National Endowment for Democracy, use and reuse their full array of weapons of perception, but it is very difficult for people to believe that institutional power would be allowed to deceive them. Yet, its not far-fetched; would a force that carpet bombs a people quail at engaging in a total propaganda war? Yugoslavia, however, is sort of unique with regard to the completeness and success of the propaganda war. So many been brainwashed by the falsehoods recycled through the echo chambers and the mass media outlets in the west. Those who believe the lie that Milosevic was the Hitler of the Balkans, frankly calling for ethnic cleansing for example, could try an experiment. Read Hitler's speeches to determine if he calls for ethnic cleansing of the Jews (he does). Read Croat President Franjo Tujman's writings to see if evidence of ethnic venom is in evidence (can't miss it). Read Bosnian Muslim leader Izetbegovic's writing for instances of radical, violent fundamentalism (easy to find). Now read Milosevic's speeches for hints of racial hatred. There are none. Zero. He repeatedly avows that all different groups have the ability to live in peace. The fact is, the power of the the propaganda machine cannot be underestimated, forming mass perception out of whole cloth, as some of the comments here reflect. Meanwhile, a template is formed to be used in the next propaganda war. Ruder and Finn's rumors about death camps prefigure Rendon Group's rumors of Weapons of Mass Destruction. I commend Malic on his continuing efforts to make sure this one doesn't get swept under the carpet.

R/T

Ever Karl ? …Ever ? Surely you jest .

R/T

…bigger and better lies are just around the corner …

B..

It is quite remarkable: every time one moves a rock-solid building of racist lies and mythologies from "kill-your-Serb-today" 1990s-fueled propaganda-machine, there are legions and legions of Hitlerites and Pavelic-nostalgists of this world to crawl into the surface and howl for more Serbian blood, because, you see, the Serbs have a "victim complex" and it is deemed impolite that Serbs dare mentioning ANY atrocity done against them. Ever.

This "Victor" fellow was whitewashing Ustasha and nazi crimes against Serbs in WW2 on some previous threads here (and ran off like a wuss every time someone pointed to his fascist propaganda).

While this "Robert Lind" is a creepy Nazi psycho who openly spreads Pavelic's genocidal propaganda over at the AltRight (see comments to Trifkovic's new article) and shamelessly lies over ANY Balkan-related subject (for example, he claims that "the Serbs" ethincally cleansed some "40.000 innocent Hungarians" after the WW2, while the truth is that some 300.000 Hungarians live in Serbia as we speak, with all their rights granted). After the war, some Nazi war criminals who took a genocidal action against the Serbian and Jewish civilians (notorious "Great Raid" in January 1942 and its unthinkable atrocities) were rightly punished, but the Hungarian community as a whole was not discriminated against whatsoever.

Mr. Malic, having this Hitlerite scumbags against you in EVERY comment section, must make you feel very proud. A man should be judged by his enemies as well

In my humble opinion the major reason was to destroy the Federal Republic OF Yugoslavia, and bring in to the EU broke and broken down vassal states. Let's look at the BIG financial picture and follow the money. Who stands most to profit from this human tragedy? It's the multinational bankers, the Builderbergers, the oil and pipeline companies, and all of those friendly foreign investors.

Andor

Agree!
Last summer I visited Dubrovnik and, being Russian, was able to talk to the ordinary people on the streets. Most of them were absolutely convinced that all killings and fighting were done in the name of His Majesty Mighty Euro.

thoughtbell

I wonder why my comment wasn't included? Too long? I was trying to point out that that Srebrenica is part of a complex propaganda war cycle which is repeated. In the same way that military tactics are updated and reused, so does one war imitate the last in terms of the war of perception. Way back in WWI, stories were produced of Germans cutting off the hands of Belgian children to create support for the war. Isn't it important to connect these dots?

agent toads

ok now were getting somewhere,note to over dogs of the underworld,,, why comment on reading what ya didn't write,don't yer eyelids werk CORRECTLY,oo,to the previous agent/tools of ill-refute,don't think it if it chaps yer _ss,,,ya really should be getting paid for the books you'd burn & not to stay warm iether,other than that , really now i'm gonna consider it,check it out,and bring it up at really in-oppurtune times,evil, wouldn't surprise me ,thares alot of it going around,in the heart or the mind ,that's the question

B..

@ administrator

What was wrong with my comment, care to explain? And the one on the previous thread, too.

I mean, I discuss with arguments and reason. Calling some of the participants for what they are (Pavelic-apologists, rabid Serb-haters, closet nazis) is backed up with THEIR OWN sick and outrageous comments, I'm not making anything up.

"Victor" was defending Ustashas on some threads before, while this Lind person is some disgusting nazi-apologist (over at the AltRight, he openly minimizes the genocide against the Serbs by the WW2 Ustashas and Germans, and makes up the nonexistent Serb retaliation against ethnic Hungarians after the WW2, while, in the real life, only the perpetrators of the infamous Hungarian "Great Raid" against Vojvodina Serbs and Jews in January 1942, were rightly punished after the war, not the Hungarian community whatsoever – on the contrary, Hungarians in Serbia are a 300.000-strong community)

Zalim

On how hypocrisy knows no bounds in the west, two years earlier, in 1989, when Apartheid South Africa was withdrawing from occcupied Namibia, wikipedia states;

>>Martti Ahtisaari took advice from British Prime Minister, Margaret Thatcher, who was visiting Southern Africa at the time, and authorised a limited contingent of South African troops to aid the South West African Police (SWAPOL) in restoring order.<<

Is that the same Magagret Thatcher that claimed in an April 1992 BBC interview that the Federal republic of Yugoslavia was "occupying Bosnia" and that the "West should be bombing Belgrade"
Is that the same Martti Ahtisaari that staged the Kumanovo set up?
Is that the same country were the UN Commissioner for Namibia Bernt Carlsson (socialist and of the Olafe Palme neutrality tradition) was blown to pieces over Lockerbie on Pan am flight 103 yet Maggie's Pal Pik Botha and the wife of of current Polish foreign minster Sikorski, Anne Applebaum were "mysteriously" rebooked onto other flights?…..

Who is the U.N.——–? Who is the U.S. really…..????? Who is Pres."O"…..???? Who are WE ..?? We are drowning in a sea of spin, lies and distortions…… while the banks get robbed… We the people is a dead concept in America, the UN…..the WORLD……

Zalim

After Bernt Carlsson was blown to pieces on Pan Am 103, which he wasn't supposed to be on,but some "strange guy from deBeers" layed a diversion in London, and apparently his UN safe in NY was burgled by persons unkown.
He was replaced by Martii Ahtisaari at the UN who "let" Thacther, Pik Bootha (-who was due on 103 but took an earlier flight for unkown reasons), and BOSS conduct a massacre- a real massacre in Namibia in which the victims were all young men with gunshot wounds to the side of the head (see wikipedia/google there's loads of shocking info)..Thacther had the gall to be the first and most vocal in "demanding" -along with Christianne Amanpour- western intervention in Bosnia and the Bombing of Serbia in 1992 (which of couse was carried out later).
MMe Thacther seems to have had quite a soft spot for the Akfrikaaners. Her repulsive son Mark was caught red-handed in public-school boy mercenay activies in Southern African in 1999 and faced the death penalty in Equatorial Guinea.

norma

i can't believe this jerk is still employed, much less as a journalist. his disturbing work is pure sci-fi.

ericsiverson

are you a nazi or a radical muslim . only this jerk is telling the truth you are the one beliving sc fiction

Mirsad

Genocide denier and radical Serbian ultranationalist, Nebojsa Malic, now claims that "the very attempt to call what happened in Srebrenica 'genocide' ought to be an insult to the… victims of the Holocaust." In fact, his statement is an insult to the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum that recognizes Srebrenica Genocide. It is also an insult to the Jewish Holocaust survivors, like ELLIE WIESEL and SAMUEL R. HARRIS, who also recognize Srebrenica genocide and condemn war criminals like Radovan Karadzic. No wonder a long time Jewish friend of ours described Nebojsa Malic as "insensitive pig."

ericsiverson

Granted the Serbs did execute about 500 mulslims at Srebrencia that they thought took part in the murder of about 3000 serb civilans around Srebrenica . This was definately wrong , but it doesnt not compare to the 600,000 men women and childran put to death at in Croatia during ww 2 or the Armenian million people Holocaust , that has never been recognized . The United States and some of the dumber Jews have stepped way out of bounds calling this Srebrencia crime genocide . The Meli masecure in Viet Nam was more genocide than executing 500 mulim war criminals . United States and NATO wish to betray Serbs christians as evil mostly to coverup the real crime NATO perpetated in destroying the innocent country of Yugoslavia . Now both The NAZI Croats and the nazi Bosnians have had genocide committed against them just like the Jews , So the dunb Jews dont have anything special to complain about nazis about any more do they .

Mirsad

NEBOJSA MALIC'S TWISTED MIND OF GENOCIDE DENIAL

Discredited genocide denier and an amateur 'historian,' Nebojsa Malic, is back to his old tricks again. As a long-time apologist for Serb(ian) war crimes, Malic acts as a parrot for shameless Belgrade propaganda.
Malic does not have any PhD qualification in history, He has never held an academic post, published his work in an academic journal, or even visited an archive. For the purpose of self-promotion, he alleges that he "had exposure to diplomatic and media affairs in Sarajevo," but our sources in Sarajevo could not confirm his so called "exposure" to anything except numerous racist web sites that enjoy republishing his propaganda.
But, the facts tell a different story. In a landmark genocide case involving Radislav Krstic, more than 100 Srebrenica genocide witnesses were called to testify. Since then, at least seven (7) other Serbs were convicted on genocide charges by the Court of Bosnia-Herzegovina with international judges presiding.

Suvorov

Mirsad,

Would you at least bother to invent your own piece of misinformation rather than taking this:

"Malic does not have any PhD qualification in history, He has never held an academic post, published his work in an academic journal, or even visited an archive. For the purpose of self-promotion, he alleges that he "had exposure to diplomatic and media affairs in Sarajevo," but our sources in Sarajevo could not confirm his so called "exposure" to anything except numerous racist web sites that enjoy republishing his propaganda…"

directly from someone's else's blog.

And what are your sources in Sarajevo?

3oka

Mirsad sorry to say but it doesn't work that way any more, your time is up.
You see, everybody knows what happened in Srebrenica, I mean everybody except you guys who need this "massacre" more than anything else to continue see yourself as a victims despite the facts that you have actually started this war (Lisbon treaty, remember Lisbon?).
-Ganic is in jail and it will be transferred to Serbia for war crimes.
-Canadian PM vetoed your attempt to make Srebrenica Remembrance Day official in Canada. Why he did it I'm not sure but this may be related with Gen Lewis McKenzie and the fact that he was accused of raping Muslim women with his Serbian buddies… or at least this is what Court No 1 in Sarajevo said.
Also everybody knows that your brave soldiers were executing massacres in market place and elsewhere across Sarajevo killing innocent people just to blame Serbs, but it doesn't work any more… your time is up and this world is sick and tired of you.

B..

This 'Mirsad' fellow promotes "Srebrenica Genocide Blog", a racist, Nazi-apologist outlet supported by the infamous "Bosniac Federation of North America", an organization presided by the son of Ante Pavelic's high-ranking henchman, Dzafer Kulenovic, and curiously linked to various Islamic extremists in America.

I would not be surprised if "Mirsad" is actually the proprietor of the SGB, since he quotes their libels against me verbatim (but without attribution). I suspect their libelous attacks on me (and the defamatio of Serbs in general) will continue until the Canadian judiciary puts a stop to them.

No, Herr Lind, it's not "well-documented" at all. Only a brief glance at the gibberish you're linking to, reveals its outrageous deal of sheer stupidity and fascist fairytale-claptrap of defeated Nazi soldiers. i mean, look at the chapter named "Ujvidek, RENAMED Novi Sad". i mean, wtf? Ujvidek is a HUNGARIAN name for a city in Serbia (Novi Sad in Serbian) which was a place where one of the most brutal massacres in occupied Yugoslavia occurred. In ONE single day (January 23rd, 1942), Novi Sad's Jewish community was practically destroyed by Horthy's fascists, along with some 400 Serbian civilians: they have all been killed and thrown into Danube (which frozen surface the Hungarian soldiers broke with bombs). The whole crime was only a part of the notorious Great Raid, which lasted from January 4th until January 28th in the region of South Backa, and where some 2500 Serbian and 1500 Jewish civilians (civil servants, teachers, merchants, workers, priests, rabbis, women, children…). And all their names are known, unlike these 40.000 dreamed up by your Nazi buddies. There was no collective retaliation against Hungarians after the war whatsoever. Some of the genocidal perpetrators were punished, some unfortunately escaped the justice. But the Hungarian community as a whole – is living peacefully and integrated in Serbia for six decades now. There is NO evidence to back up your genocide-denying claptrap, concocted by your Jobbik pals and their accessories from the neo-Nazi circles.

About Jasenovac: below you can find some information from WWII time, from axis sources (German, Italian, Croat) which had absolutely no reason to raise numbers of Serbs slaughtered in Croatian death camps.

German generals issued reports of the number of victims as the war progressed. German military commanders gave different figures for the number of Serbs, Jews and others killed on the territory of the Independent State of Croatia. They circulated figures of 400,000 Serbs (Alexander Löhr); 350,000 Serbs (Lothar Rendulic); around 300,000 (Edmund Glaise von Horstenau); in 1943; "600-700,000 until March 1944" (Ernst Fick); 700,000 (Massenbach). Hermann Neubacher calculates:

"A third must become Catholic, a third must leave the country, and a third must die!" This last point of their program was accomplished. When prominent Ustasha leaders claimed that they slaughtered a million Serbs, that is, in my opinion, a boastful exaggeration. On the basis of the reports submitted to me, I believe that the number of defenseless victims slaughtered to be three quarters of a million. (Neubacher, Dr. Hermann. Special Assignment in the Southeast, p. 18-30.)

Italian generals, who were more overwhelmed by the atrocious Ustase slaughter, also reported similar figures to their commanders.[130] The Vatican's sources also speak of similar figures, that is, for an example, of 350,000 Serbs slaughtered by the end of 1942 (Eugen Tisserant[131]) and "over 500,000 people" in all (Godfried Danneels.[132])

The Ustase themselves gave more exaggerated assumptions of the number of people they killed. Vjekoslav "Maks" Luburić, commander-in-chief of all the Croatian camps, announced the great "efficiency" of the Jasenovac camp at a ceremony as early as 9 October 1942. During the banquet which followed, he reported with pride, intoxicated: "We have slaughtered here at Jasenovac more people than the Ottoman Empire was able to do during its occupation of Europe."

Boki

GERMAN MASTERS HAVE THE BEST INFORMATIONS HOW MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE ARE KILLED IN " INDEPENDENT STATE OF CROATIA " DURING W.W. II …

Robert Lind

It's an honour to me to be called "Nazi scum" by such idiots.

Pablo

it's nice to have these often ignored facts reported in this site, even if sometimes Malic is sometimes trying to portrait the Serbs as 100% victims (yes, I agree with the people who say that even though I disagree with them in nearly the rest of what they say!)

B..

@ Mike,

thanks. I've been familiar with the facts (and, as you helpfully remind the unfamiliar readers, these are the most CONSERVATIVE numbers, given by the enemy sources). I just wasn't going to waste the time and energy on this nazi propagandist (Robert Lind), who has also been given the correct numbers and sources at some Srdja Trifkovic's threads over at the AltRight: nevertheless, Lind and his buddy "Nicollo and Donkey" and the rest of the Pavelic-lovers over there, keep ignoring the fact and go on with their disgusting little "Berlin boys gone wild 1942-style" party on EVERY WW2-related thread.

Although I had to jump in and stop this nonsensical little fantasy of Lind's, about "40.000 murdered Hungarians after the WW2" and counter it with the facts that REALLY took place during the WW2.

Robert Lind

I noticed that apologists of Serbian Nazism of the nineties often cite German Nazi sources to corroborate their mythical inflated numbers of the Serb victims of Ustasha pogroms in 1941-1945. Obviously, Nazis understand each other perfectly.

Can somebody tell me where are the Muslims/Turks of Serbia today? There were plenty of them living in Serbia, prior to Serbia gaining autonomy from the Ottoman Empire, possibly one third of the population. What happened to them, I wonder? They were forcefully assimilated, expelled or killed. Serbia was built on genocide.

Serbian Chetniks committed terrible massacres mostly on Bosnian Muslims in eastern Bosnia in 1941/42 and then sporadically during the whole war. Those massacres don't lag behind those perpetrated by ustashas on Serbs. Sometimes those chetnik massacres started first and the ustasha massacres were retaliation. Bosnian Muslims were not especially enthusiastic about joining the ranks of the army of the Independent State of Croatia. But after their co-religionaries were slaughtered en masse in eastern Bosnia, many of them enrolled into the ustasha armed forces (and later to the Hanjar division under direct German command) to exact revenge on Serbs for their own people who have been killed by chetniks. The ustasha Black Legion and SS-division Hanjar, in which there were many Bosnian Muslims, did the same thing to Serbs that previously Serbian chetniks had done to their own people.

The truth about the genocide on Bacska Hungarians, perpetrated by Serbs, has to be revealed to the world. People must know what the Serbs did in the second world war, which was very similar to what they did in the nineties, during the Serbian aggression on Croatia and Bosnia. If the Serbs insist on their incessant victimistic whining about the second world war and Jasenovac (and also on whining about the Croatian Operation Storm with its few isolated incidents of revenge killings by Croats, a revenge for Serbian atrocities of 1991), then rest of the story, namely what they did to others in the second world war, has to be known. It's like opening the Pandora box of endless accusations. But if Serbs want it so, so let it be. It's their own choice.

Serbia has a long and "respectable" tradition of Nazism.

paleo

Serbia's expulsion and some cases of massacre of Turks during liberation from the Ottoman occupation is no different from Greece's expulsion of the same. The Turks had no business being there: they were invaders and oppressors and their expulsion is no different than the Austro-Hungarian repeated expulsions of Turks and Muslims out of reconquered territory in their empire (e.g. Hungary, Slavonia, etc.) or the Spanish Reconquest. If liberating your own country from an invading apartheid and genocidal regime (yes, stealing children from Christians and turning them into Muslims who hate their own ancestors is a form of that) is an awful thing, then so be it. Frankly, I don't care if every Ottoman mosque in Serbia was demolished and the Muslims pressured into going to Turkey. And don't talk nonsense about "genocide." If that were the case, the Ottoman empire would have stepped in and stopped whole-sale massacre of the Muslim population. The fact is, it never happened. Some people converted back to Christianity under duress, many left to Turkey, some perhaps were killed. But there was nothing going on like what the Turks did in 1896 to their Armenians.

As for WWII, you've inverted the facts. The Muslim Ustasa massacres against Serbs all over Bosnia led to the "ustanak" (uprising), which in the beginning, had a strongly anti-Muslim tone. What you forgot to mention was that both the Communist Partisan movement and the Chetnik movement had a strong anti-Muslim revanchist tone from 1941 onwards, precisely because Muslims constituted most of the Bosnian rank-and-file and many commanders of the Ustase from the very beginning of the NDH. They were more visible to the Serb victims of genocide in places like eastern Bosnia because there were so few Croats in the region anyway, so practically all of the membership were local Muslim neighbors. The revenge massacres of 1941 and 1942 are inexcusable, but they are not the cause for the subsequent Muslim re-massacres, e.g. by the Black Legion and SS Handzar. Why not? Because Muslims were in the Ustase right at the beginning of the NDH and were engaged in massacres against Serbs all throughout 1941 and 1942. They weren't "responding" to anything, they were initiating the cycle of massacre and counter-massacre in eastern Bosnia-Herzegovina.

As for the Hungarians, they invaded and occupied Backa and are accountable for the ~20,000 deaths that occurred in their occupation zone. You can babble about "genocide" against them, but unlike the Banat Germans, they were largely not expelled and there was no kind of genocide against them.

I'm tired of writing defenses against baseless and twisted accusations and inverted chronologies. Robert Lind, you are a Nazi apologist.

Robert Lind

Well, Paleo, if you are so pro-Serb that you justify (or deem "understandable") any atrocity committed by Serbs on anyone else, while you insist that all atrocities committed on Serbs must be eternally remembered and unequivocally condemned, it is your own personal preference, your own criterion or double standard to which you have right in as much as it is a personal opinion, but at the same time it doesn't have to oblige anyone else. All I am saying is that if Serbs eternally insist on their victimistic narrative, they cannot avoid their own dirty laundry being drawn from the closet. It will be done by those to whom Serbs try to impose collective guilt because of the events of the second world war, as a means of self-defense against such mental aggression.

B..

Serbs DO NOT "insist on their victimistic narrative", quite the contrary. Current political climate in Serbia simply REEKS of self-hate and auto-chauvinism, where (Western-funded, quasi-liberal) NGOs, media and even political parties keep monstrously competing in ignoring the Serbian victims, past and present, in order to make our "good neighbors" feel better about themselves. Ustasha genocide is being routinely ignored, Oric's armed soldiers from Srebrenica are being put onto the pedestal as "innocent victims" while THEIR victims (the Serb children and elderly people from the Eastern Bosnia villages) are being half-heartedly mentioned, Serbian anti-nazi resistance (THE FIRST organized resistance in occupied Europe) is being conveniently put aside, Croatian and Bosnian Muslim nazi past is being whitewashed and the ridiculous narratives about (non-existent) "united Yugoslav struggle against fascism" are being revived from the most obsolete Titoist times.

If you ever get tired of promoting Nazi and Ustasha anti-Serbian agenda on American forums, Robert Lind, a well-paid post in some Serbian govt. institution or Soros-funded NGO is waitin' for ya. You wouldn't be the first denier of Ustasha genocide to hold it in today's Serbia.

B..

PS

And stop making such twisted, yet grotesquely clumsy accusations. Mike mentioned the Nazi and Ustasha numbers of murdered Serbs ONLY as a primary source, ie., the VERY perpetrators of the genocide against Serbs (German Nazis and Croatian Ustasha) WERE NOT denying it, but OPNELY and LOUDLY boasted about it.

you were the one to call the most monstrous concentration camp in the Balkans, Jasenovac, a place here hundreds of thousand of Serbs and tens of thousands of Jews and Roma perished under the most brutal and most bloodthirsty methods perpetrated by Croatian Ustasha – "a Serbian myth". Anyone who denies the Nazi and Ustasha crimes from the WW2 is being called a Nazi-apologist. Nobody around here has put those horrendous words of denial in your mouth – you did it yourself. Of course the most of us would respond by calling it a Nazi-apology. What did you expect, a medal?

Robert Lind

B. and paleo and other Serb-apologists are in fact Nazi-apologists. Apologists of the Serb Nazism.

B..

No, you're a real-deal Nazi apologist (who repeats the revisionist numbers and denies the WW2 concentration camps). And you're being boring with this dismal attempt to whitewash your DEFENSE of the REAL Nazis, by making these ridiculous labels up. I mean, "Serbian Nazism", wtf?

Btw, I have NEVER (neither did Mr. Malic, nor Paleo whom I read frequently here) denied the Serbian share of atrocities in the 1990s wars. However, I have (and always will) reacted to the genocidal orgies of Ustasha and SS Hanjar apologists (such as youself) who routinely (and quite monstrously!) justify ANY crime EVER committed against the Serbs, be it Jasenovac, or the newer genocidal crimes by neo-Ustashe, or Bosnian Muslim and Kosovo Albanian neo-Nazis. I mean, real neo-Nazis, proud on their ancestors' service in Hitler's units, compliance in genocide against Serbs, Jews and Roma.

Robert Lind

Not only that you minimize or justify Serbian Nazi atrocities in the nineties (and in the second world war), you are also trying to tag collective guilt on some nations because of something that happened in the second world war. That is a kind of racism, which makes you doubly a Nazi.

Hrebeljanovic

There is no room for discussion with "Robert Lind". Therefore:
Serbian Nazi does not exist, your sick mind made it all up, punk. You are one twisted nazi scumbag.

Robert Lind

"Serbian Nazi does not exist"

It does exist. Serbia has been a Nazi country since at least Balkan Wars, when Kosovo and Macedonia were conquered in such a savage fashion.

Hrebeljanovic

Blah, blah, blah…Like I said, it's all made up in your twisted sick mind, you pervert.

Stanislav

And Mr. Lind has proof that Serbia has been a Nazi country? What proof is that? The Lind chocolate? Wishful thinking? Unrestrained imagination? Such slander belittles the true victims of the Holocaust and should be treated as libel. Mr. Lind should be held accountable for watering down the Nazi crimes and assigning the blame to the victims. You can join Ahmadenijad.

Survivor

Nebojsa Malic, you are insane. Why don't you talk to people who survived Omarska and other camps. Malic, you are a fool. It is a disgrace that you got given a platform here to deny the horrors that were commited.

Nebojsa Malic left his home in Bosnia after the Dayton Accords and currently resides in the United States. During the Bosnian War he had exposure to diplomatic and media affairs in Sarajevo. As a historian who specializes in international relations and the Balkans, Malic has written numerous essays on the Kosovo War, Bosnia, and Serbian politics. His exclusive column for Antiwar.com debuted in November 2000.