tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post1552739107880274026..comments2016-12-07T09:55:35.913-05:00Comments on the joy of sox: Pedro Has A 19-Year-Old Son?!allanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-69309649097327010702007-01-21T00:37:00.000-05:002007-01-21T00:37:00.000-05:00I wonder what Good Ol' Unbiased Posner has to say ...I wonder what Good Ol' Unbiased Posner has to say about <a href="http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2007/2362">this</a>.redsockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-64170322683528386702007-01-20T20:36:00.000-05:002007-01-20T20:36:00.000-05:00To anyone who might be reading this exchange, now ...To anyone who might be reading this exchange, now or in the future, if you are interested in another perspective on the 2000 election, especially what happened in Florida, I highly recommend "Unprecedented," a film by Robert Greenwald, available on DVD. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.robertgreenwald.org/docs.php">About "Unprecendented" and Robert Greenwald's other movies.</a>L-girlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-46831609773076455592007-01-20T19:54:00.000-05:002007-01-20T19:54:00.000-05:00Then it's off to the courts where anything is poss...<i>Then it's off to the courts where anything is possible.</i><br /><br />And where the deciding Justice admitted that she did not want a Democrat in the White House because she was soon retiring, and wanted a Republican to choose her successor. <br /><br />Or did you forget that O'Connor said that?<br /><br />Don't worry, I didn't want the fucking Democrat either. I just wanted an election, instead of an installation.<br /><br />But then, I'm a foaming-at-the-mouth fanatic. Regular folks don't care about such things.L-girlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-42867719221334448382007-01-20T19:52:00.000-05:002007-01-20T19:52:00.000-05:00The Daily Kos and Robert Kennedy Jr. agree with yo...<i>The Daily Kos and Robert Kennedy Jr. agree with you. I ain't impressed.<br /><br />Yup, all four of us. That's it. Quite a minority opinion. </i><br /><br />By the way, it doesn't matter how many people believe in or agree with something. Jack Marshall ought to know that popularity has no bearing on the validity or veracity of any idea or theory - <i>especially</i> in a country where the populace is grossly underinformed and/or misinformed! Surveys are <i>still</i> showing that a large percentage of Americans believe Iraq was responsible for 9/11! <br /><br />The day I agree with a majority opinion in the US, someone will be feeding me baby food in a nursing home in Ontario and I'll think the nurse is Mick Jagger.L-girlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-28583546364768145452007-01-20T19:43:00.000-05:002007-01-20T19:43:00.000-05:00"given our extreme views"
Yes. It's extreme. The ..."given our extreme views"<br /><br />Yes. It's extreme. The United States is extremely fucked up. The democracy is extremely broken. The people being killed in Iraq are extremely dead, the people doing the killing are extremely murderous and growing extremely dead inside.<br /><br />Meanwhile, smug self-styled ethicists who read a book on the subject can keep their blinders on while their country slides down the toilet, while the cronies of an unelected government get rich off other people's misery. <br /><br />Yeah, it's extreme. You're extremely blind. But better blind and dumb than leftist, right? <br /><br />Posner. You're telling us to read Posner. That's the expert you're holding up - and we're supposed to take you seriously.<br /><br />I picked up my marbles because the things I value are dead in the United States. Because I value justice and democracy more than I value a design on a flag. If that makes me foaming at the mouth, I'll wear it proudly.L-girlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-55129902254095805512007-01-20T19:27:00.000-05:002007-01-20T19:27:00.000-05:00Posner's book
Please. Posner is a hack. Giving hi...<i>Posner's book</i><br /><br />Please. Posner is a hack. Giving him the time of day is like turning to Chass for baseball analysis.<br /><br /><i>The Daily Kos and Robert Kennedy Jr. agree with you. I ain't impressed.</i><br /><br />Yup, all <i>four</i> of us. That's it. Quite a minority opinion. I have no interest in anything Status Quo Kos says.<br /><br /><i>the Gore team and Bois made a weak, weak, weak, argument, not even supported by their own experts.</i><br /><br />We agree here. Completely.<br /><br /><i>The Florida Court decided to follow a terrible Massachussetts precedent in controvention of State law...THAT's a fact...by allowing non-votes to be treated as votes, using standards that were not the same from county to county. There was no "properly counted"...THAT's why the recount was halted</i><br /><br />So as long as the standards varied -- which they did in Florida and do all over the country -- there was no obligation to actually count the votes?<br /><br />Why do we bother counting any votes <i>ever</i>, if the standards vary across the country?<br /><br /><i>You can't "steal" an election by 500 votes...its too unpredictable.</i><br /><br />But you can successfully disqualify and turn away as many minority (usually Democratic) voters as possible to hopefully narrow (for example) a gap -15,000 to -400. Then it's off to the courts where anything is possible.<br /><br /><i>I know the "evidence" you think you have, and it's crap...which is what 85% of all historical accounts will record.</i><br /><br />News flash, Jack! The "stolen election" remains a wild kooky conspiracy theory. You put it in the same category as the faked moon landing.<br /><br /><i>I have always attempted to convey genuine respect for you guys because I read the foaming at the mouth venom you write on the other sites, and it's clear that this stuff isn't something you can discuss dispassionately</i><br /><br /><i>always attempted to convey genuine respect</i>?<br /><br />Your acting skills are slipping.<br /><br />At what other site do I write "foaming at the mouth venom"?<br /><br />You can drop the smug act, also. I'm being just as dispassionate and calm and rational with my typing here as you are. So fuck you.redsockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-91903638474561495112007-01-20T18:58:00.000-05:002007-01-20T18:58:00.000-05:00Sorry...You guys are ridiculous on this topic, to ...Sorry...You guys are ridiculous on this topic, to be blunt. You act as if what you believe is a "fact" when the majority of serious, unbiased historians, attorneys, judges (read Posner's book) and jounalists think otherwise. The definition of a fanatic: someone who is ceratin beyond reason that he or she is right, when unbiased and thorough analysts have concluded otherwise. Yours is only the majority opinion among a relatively small group of like-minded people with whom you habitually confer. The Daily Kos and Robert Kennedy Jr. agree with you. I ain't impressed.<br /><br />You don't want facts, you want indictments. If you looked even half-way at the situation as it occurred, you would know that the election was going into the House of Representatives under the best case scenario for Gore, where he would have lost anyway. Period. The Supreme Court's decision (the 100% right one, which I had predicted weeks earlier) only avoided an interminable delay. <br />The Pro-Bush decision by the Florida (Democrat-appointed)judge that was overturned on a partisan 4-3 vote in the state Supreme Court was a slam dunk: the Gore team and Bois made a weak, weak, weak, argument, not even supported by their own experts. Did you listen to all of the arguments and read the transcript? I did. Ditto the Bois Supreme Court argument...poor. Did you listen to all of that? Read the tramscript? All the opinions? I did. Read many Supreme Court opinions, do you? I read about 75% of them (it's part of my job), and the court is NOT a bunch of political hacks.<br /><br />The Florida Court decided to follow a terrible Massachussetts precedent in controvention of State law...THAT's a fact...by allowing non-votes to be treated as votes, using standards that were not the same from county to county. There was no "properly counted"...if you had a smidgeon of understanding of what went on, you wouldn't say such an ignorant thing. THAT's why the recount was halted...read the damn opinion.<br />NO recount was ever going to tell who "really" won, because the votes were too close. Read some statistical analyses of the problem if you don't believe me. You can't "steal" an election by 500 votes...its too unpredictable. Bush was L-U-C-K-Y. Get it? No Nader, Gore wins. No idiotic Democratic chairwoman in Palm Beach approiving a stupid ballot, Gore wins. Fewer Democrats too dumb to make sure that their card was punched out right, Gore wins...and nobody talks about anyone trying to steal anything. <br /><br />I know the "evidence" you think you have, and it's crap...which is what 85% of all historical accounts will record.<br /><br />I have always attempted to convey genuine respect for you guys because I read the foaming at the mouth venom you write on the other sites, and it's clear that this stuff isn't something you can discuss dispassionately...hence anyone who disagrees with your fantasies must be "lying" or "a moron." You feel deeply about this stuff. I get that. But your degree of certitude is absurd given your extreme views. And the facts, the realk facts, in contxt with events, do not support your theory.<br /><br />The system worked despite an election too close to call. You decided to pick up your marbles and leave. Too bad.<br /><br />And I'm sorry if I offended you by trying to be respectful. I'll avoid that next time.Jack Marshallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07615512667971393896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-4181924552194692332007-01-20T16:50:00.000-05:002007-01-20T16:50:00.000-05:00There are a lot of other facts - about both electi...There are a lot of other facts - about both elections - you're not stating. I admire your restraint. :)L-girlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-28577014732163541752007-01-20T15:44:00.000-05:002007-01-20T15:44:00.000-05:00The US Supreme Court ordered a halt to the countin...The US Supreme Court ordered a halt to the counting of votes in Florida before all of the votes cast had been properly counted. That is a fact.<br /><br />The final result of the 2000 election was thus left in permanent doubt. We will never know who truly won the 2000 election.<br /><br />The Supreme Court was forced to stop the democratic process because, as Justice Scalia admitted, a continued recount would be "casting a cloud upon what he [Bush] claims to be the legitimacy of his election."<br /><br />Bush's 2000 victory was unproven, illegitimate and wholly undemocratic. That cannot be denied.redsockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-84206195850885387702007-01-20T15:09:00.000-05:002007-01-20T15:09:00.000-05:00Disagree if you want, but don't tell me that I don...<i>Disagree if you want, but don't tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about. </i><br /><br />When it comes to this, you do not know what you are talking about.<br /><br />You are wrong.<br /><br />That's not an insult. It's a fact.L-girlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-84585722642025890732007-01-20T15:07:00.000-05:002007-01-20T15:07:00.000-05:00that it would ever play a part in making someone l...<i>that it would ever play a part in making someone leave their country is tragic. I know you had other reasons, and by definition they would have to have been better ones.</i><br /><br />It's a huge part of why we left. Sometimes I think it's the base reason, from which all others spring. I prefer to live in a democracy.L-girlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-90387657531503301462007-01-20T15:05:00.000-05:002007-01-20T15:05:00.000-05:00Jack, either your research was extremely biased, o...Jack, either your research was extremely biased, or you're lying. Had you done even a fraction of the research you claim, you would know beyond any doubt that both the 2000 and 2004 presidential elections were stolen. <br /><br />Fraudulent. <br /><br />Fixed. <br /><br />Also, no one here called you a moron.<br /><br />Redsock said:<br />"People who speak definitely about things they actually know nothing about always sound like morons. "<br /><br />If that applies to you - if you <i>sounded like</i> a moron because you spoke definitively about something you know nothing about - it's easily avoided. If not, then you have no complaint.<br /><br />I find your patronizing -- "you lovely and passionate people" -- extremely irritating. I've refrained from mentioning it in the past, but I'm really friggin sick of it. If you could manage to address me without that, I would greatly appreciate it. If you disagree with me, disagree with me. I don't need your fake stroking to mollify it. It's condescending, and I wish you would cut it out.L-girlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-35031085448646186462007-01-20T12:27:00.000-05:002007-01-20T12:27:00.000-05:00Redsock,Laura, you lovely and passionate people, I...Redsock,Laura, you lovely and passionate people, I guarantee you that not only do I know what I'm talking about, I have done about as much research on it as one possibly can and maintain a professional life. <br /><br />In addition to reading most of the books on the subjcet and watching every bit of the controversy as it unfolded, being both an attorney and a specialist in US Presidential elections myself, close associates of mine in both parties were involved in the recount and court challenges, and one ne of my closest friends, an specialist is computers and statistics, was an expert in one of the law suits. Speaking of ethics, I regard the constant claim that the election was "stolen" as a classic "Big Lie," and one that has unethically undermined, unfairly and dangerously, the public's faith in the integrity of the electoral system, and to some extent was calculated to do so for political gain. <br /><br />The fact that people who obviously have intelligence and civic dedication would believe it is just sad; that it would ever play a part in making someone leave their country is tragic. I know you had other reasons, and by definition they would have to have been better ones.<br /><br />This is indeed a baseball blog, and I have no desire or need to educate you or anyone else by going through the tons of crystal-clear evidence on the topic, including the complete results of the multiple media-run "recounts" which, at very least, proved that it was impossible to settle on a definitive vote count when the error margin of the available tally measures were larger than the vote disparity I have both analyzed and taught the key decisions in the case. Disagree if you want, but don't tell me that I don't know what I'm talking about. It is arrogant, insulting and ironic, as the statement itself claims knowledge of my background and study of the issue that you do not have.<br /><br /> My comment was more than justified, given Laura's gratuitous (though not offensive!)and deliberately provocative pronouncements about religion and faith, because the anti-Bush election arguments are similarly based on faith, or perhaps determination of the "don't confuse me with facts, my mind's made up" variety. I could (and in more appropriate setting, have) eviscerated the astounding argument that the US government plotted the destuction of the Twin Towers, a fantasy right up there with Holacuast denial and the Moon Walk Conspiracy. It blows my mind that intelligent people believe such bile, and yes, it IS motivated by hate...and the hate is supported by the unfounded belief that the Bush administration is an "unelected" government.<br /><br />I would NEVER call either of you "morons," and I do take offense at that, as I do to being called "ignorant" as I am lumped in with some "ilk." You don't know me, guys...I have no "ilk." <br /><br />In fact, I'm shocked and annoyed...and I am certainly not "just wrong." Stating that the 2000 or 2004 elections were "stolen" is the result of one of three things: bias, ignorance, or willful dishonesty. Because I know you are honest and sincere,that leaves bias. That's no crime; we're all biased somewhere. But it doesn't make you correct.<br /><br />Don't call me a moron again, please. I think That's a fair request.Jack Marshallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07615512667971393896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-75593487654025864152007-01-20T11:40:00.000-05:002007-01-20T11:40:00.000-05:00It's all made up, man. Just a story, nothing more....It's all made up, man. Just a story, nothing more.Jerehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13448619048422750447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-88477029350845520572007-01-19T23:19:00.000-05:002007-01-19T23:19:00.000-05:00Reality does not show that the Ressurection did no...Reality does not show that the Ressurection did not take place. Hard to prove a negative.Zenslingerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09166308358372592752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-37474151769904504792007-01-19T19:25:00.000-05:002007-01-19T19:25:00.000-05:00"And Jere quote me all you want say I'm silly for ..."And Jere quote me all you want say I'm silly for what I write, I have no problem with that , but don't say I wrote something I didn't....."<br /><br />I already agreed with you that you didn't literally use the word "asshole." What you wrote is there and my response is there. I can assure you I'm not trying to twist your words or fool anyone. My comment was right after yours, and I reacted to it. If somebody called you a douche and you saw that guy and said to him, "Hey, what's with you calling me a douchebag?" And he said, "I never called you that." Well, wouldn't you be pissed if he started calling you a liar, and turning it into a fight about exactly what term was used, when you both know what he meant? It's like in Taxi Driver, when Travis tells Iris that Sport called her a "little chicken." Sport totally didn't say that, but we all got the point.<br /><br />"How the hell does reality prove such a thing?"<br /><br />Because there's no physical proof of anyone ever dying and coming back to life. (Nikki Sixx doesn't count--remember, I said, originally, dead for years) Or, interestingly, that there's a "hell."Jerehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13448619048422750447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-53074382892382687792007-01-19T19:24:00.000-05:002007-01-19T19:24:00.000-05:00In my mind, I am ordering my second beer.In my mind, I am ordering my second beer.Zenslingerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09166308358372592752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-73087771269591436422007-01-19T19:17:00.000-05:002007-01-19T19:17:00.000-05:00"I deleted the name-calling and general vapidity a..."I deleted the name-calling and general vapidity and stupidity of the two comments."<br /><br />I'd like to defend my deleted comment as witty and anything but stupid. You can check my track record, I don't go around giving one word, derogatory comments. That one might have appeared that way, but it was done to make a point: We talked about whether or not someone called someone (blank), and when they attempted to blow off the argument, I responded simply by calling them that same (blank). It will live on in my file of great lost comments:)Jerehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13448619048422750447noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-87654314724941549162007-01-19T19:08:00.000-05:002007-01-19T19:08:00.000-05:00I would think someone who expresses such concern a...<i>I would think someone who expresses such concern about ethical behavior would care about fair elections, the cornerstone of democracy.</i><br /><br />I cannot improve on this sentence.<br /><br /><i>The latter belief is sort of a religion with the Angry Left that has no basis in fact, law, the actual events, the vote count, mathematics, the Constitution or anything else...but it's comforting, they love it</i><br /><br />Yeah, <i>we love it</i>. We loved it soooooo much that it (along with a mountain of other shit) compelled us to uproot our lives and move to another country. Jesus, Jack, what are you <i>on</i>?<br /><br />An observation: People who speak definitely about things they actually know nothing about always sound like morons.redsockhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04673233312198832937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-20334586836539622232007-01-19T18:33:00.000-05:002007-01-19T18:33:00.000-05:00I need a beer.
I wish there was some baseball on ...I need a beer.<br /><br />I wish there was some baseball on to go with it.Zenslingerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09166308358372592752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-63721702740297570392007-01-19T18:08:00.000-05:002007-01-19T18:08:00.000-05:00and the 2000 election mythology supports one of ha...<i> and the 2000 election mythology supports one of hate. </i><br /><br />Hate? I can't imagine how you think this has anything to do with hate.<br /><br />Do you imagine we'd be any less upset about stolen elections if Gore or Kerry had been placed in the White House? If you do, you haven't the slightest idea who you're dealing with. <br /><br />And that's both 2000 and 2004, by the way. Both have been proven beyond any reasonable and rational doubt.L-girlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-51359945211667983092007-01-19T18:01:00.000-05:002007-01-19T18:01:00.000-05:00there's a lot more evidence of the Resurrection th...<i>there's a lot more evidence of the Resurrection than there is that Bush wasn't elected.</i><br /><br />No explosion. You're just wrong. If you want to review some of the mountains of evidence that has been compiled proving this fact, Allan and I will be happy to send email you documents and links. <br /><br />On the other hand, if you want to close your mind and make broad statements about the "angry left" - as if the issue doesn't transcend political boundaries, as if fair elections only matter in terms of winners and losers - you share that perogative with many of your ignorant compatriots. <br /><br />I would think someone who expresses such concern about ethical behavior would care about fair elections, the cornerstone of democracy. But maybe it's just too scary to contemplate that you don't live in a democracy anymore.L-girlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-63061716906437920062007-01-19T17:55:00.000-05:002007-01-19T17:55:00.000-05:00Actually, 9casey, there's a lot more evidence of t...Actually, 9casey, there's a lot more evidence of the Resurrection than there is that Bush wasn't elected. The latter belief is sort of a religion with the Angry Left that has no basis in fact, law, the actual events, the vote count, mathematics, the Constitution or anything else...but it's comforting, they love it, and as long as they don't proselytize too much, it's OK. One difference is that the Resurrection supports a philosophy of love, and the 2000 election mythology supports one of hate. <br /><br />KA-BOOOM!!!!!! <br />I'm going to play video games with my son now. I'm sure I'll hear the explosion from the North in his room....Jack Marshallhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07615512667971393896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-7585718636201270932007-01-19T17:49:00.000-05:002007-01-19T17:49:00.000-05:00Any belief system that claims that I have to aband...<i>Any belief system that claims that I have to abandon rationality to consider it is cheating. </i><br /><br />All religions require that you abandon rationality. Faith is not rational. <br /><br />That in itself doesn't make it bad or wrong, in my opinion. The best of what humans are is often irrational. But religion itself is highly irrational.L-girlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5730822.post-23198855802894444632007-01-19T17:45:00.000-05:002007-01-19T17:45:00.000-05:00There is a difference in arguing and discussing, a...<i>There is a difference in arguing and discussing, and actually mocking . To put the Ressurection in the same Class as St. Nick and Bush is mocking , in my opinion.</i><br /><br />I'm an atheist, and a Jew. If I can live in this society without taking personal offense at the myriad references to god and Christianity everywhere I turn, I think a believer in the Resurrection should be able to read one sentence on one blog that expresses beliefs different than his own without having a little hissy fit - even if those beliefs are expressed with a sardonic or slightly mocking tone.<br /><br />Someone mocked your beliefs? Well boo fucking hoo. Get over yourself. It's not enough to be part of the majority, you have to be insulated from the slightest bit of mocking or jokes? <br /><br />And supposedly we progressives and feminists are the ones who are so sensitive!<br /><br />* * * <br /><br />If I had substituted "Zeus" for the Ressurection in that statement, I doubt 9Casey would have cared. (Just an assumption, correct me if I'm wrong.) <br /><br />But in my belief system, Christianity is no better and no worse, no more plausible and no more foolish, than belief in Zeus. But oh my, can't make fun of Christianity.<br /><br />If your beliefs are worth a the paper they're printed on, they can stand up to a little bit of mocking.L-girlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05524593142290489958noreply@blogger.com