Added bartender + Masque then scaled the UI down a bit so I could gain more screen space. Updated it for assassination as well. Dispatch icon shows up @ 35% (ignore timer thats for bandit's guile auras underneath used for combat spec)

"You’ve shown great conviction. Strength. Courage. All noble qualities. I should have killed you long ago."

Passive healing is good? I mean you could make a pvp/pve argument between the two, but iirc Coldkil mainly does PvE, where, at the moment, leeching is well ahead of elusiveness in most situations I can imagine.

Originally Posted by Viridis

How about keeping it about UIs and not talent choices?

Also fair.

Coldkil; are you just running SnD off the default buffs bar top-right or am I missing it somewhere?

I was just wondering.... looking for some insight... Atm I'm using cheat death, which seems like a better option. PvE and PvP

Unless you're eating the ball on Zon'ozz, cheat death is pretty useless in PvE unless you've screwed up. LP, on the other hand, passively reduces the healing required on you, and not needing heals, while it's unlikely to matter on trivial content, is never a bad thing and can lead to avoiding situations that would trigger ChD. In 4.2 a sub rogue running Rag with good feint timing didn't need healing at all during P1/P3 (whether sub was ideal for that fight is beyond this question and beyond the thread, of course), and with the move from recup to leeching all specs (although less-so assassination) have a HUGE passive healing boost. My healers would kill to be able to passively add 2-5k HPS even if it's not needed. For PvP the discussion is more muddled -- but there are plenty of threads a couple of pages back about talent choices for PvE/PvP.

I think Cheat Death is probably a better choice come end game content, but leeching would be awesome for leveling. Just freeing up that extra poison slot for a utility purpose while giving the healers a decent chance to heal you up at low HP seems to have more of a benefit then passively healing yourself the whole time with no utility.

But hey, I think at least for that tier of talents blizzard executed it perfectly. No one can seem to agree on what is best, so now people truly have a choice!

Just freeing up that extra poison slot for a utility purpose while giving the healers a decent chance to heal you up at low HP seems to have more of a benefit then passively healing yourself the whole time with no utility.

There will be some fights where utility poisons have a use... I hope? But outside of them (don't forget we can hot-swap) your utility poisons do nothing, so skipping leeching is skipping a poison. Dropping 2-5k HPS for "don't die when you would have died" really goes back to my earlier argument that not dying in the first place is FAR superior. That also assumes you only almost-die on the CD for ChD... which seems unlikely if you're getting yourself killed in the first place.

Again, there are situations where mind-numbing, crippling, for cheat death may be needed... but excluding them, I really have a hard time comparing "screwed up, not dead for 1 hit" to "I heal over time". I suppose there are some occasions where it could be used? Hagara progression if you're soaking lances and the tank can't face the boss away from the lances so you eat a 1-shot crystal and don't still have the ice lance so you don't get pulverized the next second when you're at 10%?

I use it, it's macroed with BS (shift+2). I was just making a random fight to show MSBT instead of a "standard" afk screenshot.

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Originally Posted by kilj

Question why are you taking leaching poison?

Because i don't PvP at all, Sub has become a really great PvE spec, and passive sustained healing is something really valuable for the healers in your raid.

---------- Post added 2012-09-10 at 07:43 AM ----------

Originally Posted by Mugajak

Coldkil; are you just running SnD off the default buffs bar top-right or am I missing it somewhere?

No, you're not missing. I have an aura addon, just it's still a WIP (and i mean i'm doing the entire addon) and it's not enabled in that screen. Unfortunately i'm not on my usual PC, so i don't have the aura addon to show.

To give you a glance, imagine auras like target debuffs (same skin), just over the player frame. Nothing flashy or fancy, i'm used to them and i find really easy to read them.

There will be some fights where utility poisons have a use... I hope? But outside of them (don't forget we can hot-swap) your utility poisons do nothing, so skipping leeching is skipping a poison.

Yeah I guess so, and when you look at it, if we're doing the job we're supposed to be doing (as well as every other role) we shouldn't ever really be at a need to cheat death. Hopefully there will be reasons to use the other talents though, I don't want another cut and dry talent xpac ...