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- This postulate has an obvious and intimidating subtextual theme that insists on a Patriarchical relationship between uterence and listener which any good Progressive would find far to individualistic and cause them deep feelings of insecurity.

– I mean, my god man, how would you ever know what they might say next? Even worse, you’d have no control over meaning, and lose all hope of predetermining outcomes. Unthinkable!

Jeff, I’m sure you must have addressed this numerous times in your posts but would you please comment briefly on the concept of ambiguity in language and its role in usages such as innuendo, poetry, and humor? If I perceive an ambiguous meaning and there is no way of knowing if it was intended by the author of the words, does it exist or am I simply forbidden from entertaining its validity?

Taichiwawa: Have you ever said anything purposely ambiguous — that is, intended it to carry an array of possible meanings? Or even, not care what meaning people took from your signs? That’s still intent. You just aren’t intending in such instances to articulate your intentions very clearly, or else you are making an intentional show of not attaching any signification to the signifiers you uttered.

If, conversely, the ambiguity is not intended, then what you have is a failure to properly communicate the intent in a way that wasn’t ambiguous. That doesn’t mean you didn’t mean what you meant. It just means you didn’t signal it well enough so that those who heard it understood it the way you wanted them to.

Does that make sense?

I’ve often said that EVERYTHING can be thought of as ironic — that is, we as receivers can get a message that was intended to mean the exact opposite. But in such cases, again, that only effects our ability to interpret the meaning the author put on offer correctly; convention and code are going to tell us that we’ve most likely gotten it right, even if we’ve gotten it wrong. And that’s because we were given no real signaling of the intent by which to interpret fairly.

Finally, we can do lots of things with language, and with ambiguity comes the possibility that you can entertain a number of possible interpretations. It is not ALWAYS NECESSARY to care what the author meant or didn’t mean. That only matters when we claim to be trying to interpret.

But if I take a page out of Moby Dick and turn it into an origami swan, I’ve found a use for Melville’s language that has nothing to do with his intent, but may please me or one of my kids immensely.

I’m off to take a walk with the baby now, but I can answer more when I return. Hope this helped.

Well, for purposes of full disclosure, I intend to crawl into a bottle of Beefeaters later this evening. I pray I don’t drink and comment. But if I do, I’d like to have an advance waiver of personal responsibility for the things I may say, but probably* don’t mean. Those guys in their fuzzy bearskin hats with their juniper berries — damn their eyes!

Have you ever said anything purposely ambiguous — that is, intended it to carry an array of possible meanings? Or even, not care what meaning people took from your signs? That’s still intent. You just aren’t intending in such instances to articulate your intentions very clearly, or else you are making an intentional show of not attaching any signification to the signifiers you uttered.

Damn, I love this. It leads to caveat emptor, and in turn, to the classical liberalism of drive too fast at your own peril or if you want to shoot up smack, have at it, or abandon hope all who enter here and other such liberty-based, be-an-adult sensibilities.

Because it’s all your deal and not mine.

Just because someone said something cryptic doesn’t mean you have to consume it, much less take offense at it.

Tanquery, in my opinion, is a move down from Beefeaters, although I do find Beefeaters to be too sweet sometimes.But to me, Tanquery is too harsh for Martini’s or on the rocks (but perfectly fine for T&T).
Tonight, I’m drinking Tanquery 10. But I only like it with a very small amount of vermouth and always and only with a lemon twist (and this time of year, a Meyer Lemon). It isn’t good with olives.
I like Bombay, but Sapphire gives me weird dreams (I think its the corriander).
Gordons is okay for weekdays.
Anything else you need to know about my preference in Gin?

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