In any case, I forgot Moviestar is on Canyon this year, and since I like Canyon (who are very honest about most if not all aspects of their bikes) I feel better.

You're singling out Pinarello as the most egregious "deceitful" frame maker. They clearly state that their claimed frame weights are based on a "raw" frame, meaning without paint, derailleur hanger or seat clamp. The paint schemes on these frames can vary anywhere from 50-80 grams from each other, which is quite a bit. Makes sense to me...

I don't see folks perpetually bitching about brands like Cannondale after they plastered ad after ad about their "695 gram* WORLD'S LIGHTEST PRODUCTION BIKE" 2012 Evo Ultimate frame, which actually comes in anywhere from 725 to 800 grams. Then there's the "normalized" frame weight rubbish which many manufacturers use. Pinarello has never made frame weight its selling point, yet folks on this site are always talking trash, even though brands chasing victory in the weight weenie wars are consistently deceptive. They seem to get a pass.

Interesting developments in the Keisse case, with the compensation win.

Generally, I am very much in favour of precedence verdicts on sporting rules being established by the courts. Sometimes the sports rules are not consistent with labour (or other) law, which only adds to the precarious situation that many of the non-glam pros are working under. (Think pre Bosman case, where players were basically held hostage by the club, even though their contract was expired.)

You're singling out Pinarello as the most egregious "deceitful" frame maker. They clearly state that their claimed frame weights are based on a "raw" frame, meaning without paint, derailleur hanger or seat clamp.........Bottom line: HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE. People tend to hate on success.

As you haven't been here that long, before taking the moral high ground you should search the site for actual Dogma frames on scales that aren't remotely close to the advertised weight. You would then understand why they've become a bit of laughing stock (weight-wise) on here.

Deda stems had a similar rep but they seemed to have mended their ways somewhat.

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