YiM, this is a repost, but I am honestly curious about your response, because this was a main driver for me towards Orthodoxy.

I just want to know what you see the history of the "True Church" is. Can you give a brief narrative of the history of the church?

I am also confused how you can believe that the Eucharist is Christ's true Body and Blood, but not accept the Church. The Orthodox say it only happens through the Church, but it seems if you believe in the protestant view of an invisible church. How does an invisible church change the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ? What if your pastor is secretly skeptical of his faith? Does that make the communion he offers invalid? Can anyone consecrate the elements? Once I realized that the Eucharist is the true Body and Blood of Christ, the concept of an invisible church just kind of falls apart.

The term planet earth is an innovation which has arisen in recent centuries with the error of heliocentrism.

If one wants to confess a pure doctrine of Orthodoxy, they should be careful not to refer to the earth as a planet, unlike the current Pope as well as Patriarch Kirill and Patriarch Bartholomew, who regularly speak in error when they refer to our planet earth.

I would like to know as well....why 150ad? Why not 149, or 178? Why not AD 90-ish when St. John died?

Why 150? What transpired in that year to make you say that the Church fell into heresy?

PP

He used to ask for proof of iconography from before Constantine. After he was shown examples such as the Alexemenos Graffito and the Catacomb Icons, some of which date from the mid to late 2nd century, he decided to move the goalposts to 150 AD.

I would like to know as well....why 150ad? Why not 149, or 178? Why not AD 90-ish when St. John died?

Why 150? What transpired in that year to make you say that the Church fell into heresy?

PP

He used to ask for proof of iconography from before Constantine. After he was shown examples such as the Alexemenos Graffito and the Catacomb Icons, some of which date from the mid to late 2nd century, he decided to move the goalposts to 150 AD.

I remember that. I gave one or two examples myself. I was simply curious as to why he chose that date. Surely there must be a reason....

PP

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"I confidently affirm that whoever calls himself Universal Bishop is the precursor of Antichrist"Gregory the Great

"Never, never, never let anyone tell you that, in order to be Orthodox, you must also be eastern." St. John Maximovitch, The Wonderworker

I would like to know as well....why 150ad? Why not 149, or 178? Why not AD 90-ish when St. John died?

Why 150? What transpired in that year to make you say that the Church fell into heresy?

PP

He used to ask for proof of iconography from before Constantine. After he was shown examples such as the Alexemenos Graffito and the Catacomb Icons, some of which date from the mid to late 2nd century, he decided to move the goalposts to 150 AD.

I remember that. I gave one or two examples myself. I was simply curious as to why he chose that date. Surely there must be a reason....

PP

Because it's earlier than the earliest examples we gave.

If we find an example from 110 AD, I'm 99% sure he will ask for examples from before St. John's death.

I would like to know as well....why 150ad? Why not 149, or 178? Why not AD 90-ish when St. John died?

Why 150? What transpired in that year to make you say that the Church fell into heresy?

PP

He used to ask for proof of iconography from before Constantine. After he was shown examples such as the Alexemenos Graffito and the Catacomb Icons, some of which date from the mid to late 2nd century, he decided to move the goalposts to 150 AD.

I remember that. I gave one or two examples myself. I was simply curious as to why he chose that date. Surely there must be a reason....

PP

Because it's earlier than the earliest examples we gave.

If we find an example from 110 AD, I'm 99% sure he will ask for examples from before St. John's death.

Prolly right.

PP

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"I confidently affirm that whoever calls himself Universal Bishop is the precursor of Antichrist"Gregory the Great

"Never, never, never let anyone tell you that, in order to be Orthodox, you must also be eastern." St. John Maximovitch, The Wonderworker

YiM, I just want to know what you see the history of the "True Church" is. Can you give a brief narrative of the history of the church?

I am also confused how you can believe that the Eucharist is Christ's true Body and Blood, but not accept the Church. The Orthodox say it only happens through the Church, but it seems if you believe in the protestant view of an invisible church. How does an invisible church change the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ? What if your pastor is secretly skeptical of his faith? Does that make the communion he offers invalid? Can anyone consecrate the elements? Once I realized that the Eucharist is the true Body and Blood of Christ, the concept of an invisible church just kind of falls apart.

This would expand too far for me to do this right now. I'll talk about communion at some other point.

Trying to stay in context and stick to some of the points on this thread, at some point and time, somebody convinced those in the church that images on paint and wood (venerated) equated to venerating that person in heaven.

Or to have things similar to an iconostasisWhoops

And convinced them to repeat prayers (count them too!)

Also consider the images...

I know you people are smart enough to see the pagan influence on the EO church. Come on folks, use your brain.

There is a huge history of Christianity that is also outside of the RC/EO faith. This isn't a "gates of hell prevailing against it" argument. That verse said by an EO Christian would indicate the EO church as "THE CHURCH" rather than seeing "THE CHURCH" outside of Eastern Orthodoxy.

Look, don't be blind, this is very cut and dry obvious. Look at the buddhist icons, complete with "blessing hand signs", auras (cough cough) halos, etc.

We were commanded by God not to make images in the likeness of things in Heaven, on Earth, or under the Sea. The EO church does make these images, iconodules have killed for these images even. They are pagan of Eastern influence....

YourshoeIsAYam: Just when I thought we'd reached the final frontier, you have really opened a whole new vista upon your ignorance.

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I would like to know as well....why 150ad? Why not 149, or 178? Why not AD 90-ish when St. John died?

Why 150? What transpired in that year to make you say that the Church fell into heresy?

PP

He used to ask for proof of iconography from before Constantine. After he was shown examples such as the Alexemenos Graffito and the Catacomb Icons, some of which date from the mid to late 2nd century, he decided to move the goalposts to 150 AD.

I can't believe you even bring this up!

The Alexemenos Graffito was drawn by PAGANS making FUN of Christians!The catacomb icons post-dated 150!

That was an embarrassing argument people on this board put up for the stance of icons.

I would like to know as well....why 150ad? Why not 149, or 178? Why not AD 90-ish when St. John died?

Why 150? What transpired in that year to make you say that the Church fell into heresy?

PP

He used to ask for proof of iconography from before Constantine. After he was shown examples such as the Alexemenos Graffito and the Catacomb Icons, some of which date from the mid to late 2nd century, he decided to move the goalposts to 150 AD.

I remember that. I gave one or two examples myself. I was simply curious as to why he chose that date. Surely there must be a reason....

PP

Because it's earlier than the earliest examples we gave.

If we find an example from 110 AD, I'm 99% sure he will ask for examples from before St. John's death.

Prolly right.

PP

150 is early... Is it not over 100 Years AFTER the death of Christ? Surely if icons existed in the original church, there would be icons during a 100 YEAR span.

I would like to know as well....why 150ad? Why not 149, or 178? Why not AD 90-ish when St. John died?

Why 150? What transpired in that year to make you say that the Church fell into heresy?

PP

He used to ask for proof of iconography from before Constantine. After he was shown examples such as the Alexemenos Graffito and the Catacomb Icons, some of which date from the mid to late 2nd century, he decided to move the goalposts to 150 AD.

I remember that. I gave one or two examples myself. I was simply curious as to why he chose that date. Surely there must be a reason....

PP

Because it's earlier than the earliest examples we gave.

If we find an example from 110 AD, I'm 99% sure he will ask for examples from before St. John's death.

Prolly right.

PP

150 is early... Is it not over 100 Years AFTER the death of Christ? Surely if icons existed in the original church, there would be icons during a 100 YEAR span.

Who says that there weren't icons in the Church before 150 AD?

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I would like to know as well....why 150ad? Why not 149, or 178? Why not AD 90-ish when St. John died?

Why 150? What transpired in that year to make you say that the Church fell into heresy?

PP

He used to ask for proof of iconography from before Constantine. After he was shown examples such as the Alexemenos Graffito and the Catacomb Icons, some of which date from the mid to late 2nd century, he decided to move the goalposts to 150 AD.

I remember that. I gave one or two examples myself. I was simply curious as to why he chose that date. Surely there must be a reason....

PP

Because it's earlier than the earliest examples we gave.

If we find an example from 110 AD, I'm 99% sure he will ask for examples from before St. John's death.

Prolly right.

PP

150 is early... Is it not over 100 Years AFTER the death of Christ? Surely if icons existed in the original church, there would be icons during a 100 YEAR span.

I don't know what to say. Do you know what the word 'extant' means?

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I would like to know as well....why 150ad? Why not 149, or 178? Why not AD 90-ish when St. John died?

Why 150? What transpired in that year to make you say that the Church fell into heresy?

PP

He used to ask for proof of iconography from before Constantine. After he was shown examples such as the Alexemenos Graffito and the Catacomb Icons, some of which date from the mid to late 2nd century, he decided to move the goalposts to 150 AD.

I remember that. I gave one or two examples myself. I was simply curious as to why he chose that date. Surely there must be a reason....

PP

Because it's earlier than the earliest examples we gave.

If we find an example from 110 AD, I'm 99% sure he will ask for examples from before St. John's death.

Prolly right.

PP

150 is early... Is it not over 100 Years AFTER the death of Christ? Surely if icons existed in the original church, there would be icons during a 100 YEAR span.

Buddhists don't believe in god dude. They are not pagans. Also, if there is a Church outside of Orthodoxy and Catholicism that has Apostolic Succession, other than the Nestorian Church, which one is it?

Is this Church some secret society that has been undocumented that has continued the Apostolic Succession under the radar of history? Where does this group exist?

(Cough, cough Da Vinci Code, cough!)

"We were commanded by God not to make images in the likeness of things in Heaven, on Earth, or under the Sea. The EO church does make these images, iconodules have killed for these images even. They are pagan of Eastern influence...."

No buddy, we were commanded TO make images. Read Exodus 26. Also don't read the graven images verse out of context. Show what the original language is instead of hiding behind a mistranslation. The original commandment doesn't say anything close to 'graven images' in the original language.

Correct translation: 'Thou shalt not make to thyself an idol, nor likeness of anything, whatever things are in the heaven above, and whatever are in the earth beneath, and whatever are in the waters under the earth.' (Exodus 20:4)

Furthermore, the Sign of the Cross is from the 1st century. Read the Liturgy of St. James.

Also, YeshuaisIAmisInsane has insulted Orthodoxy a few times, doesn't that mean he should be penalized?

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"Let books be your dining table, / And you shall be full of delights. / Let them be yourmattress,/And you shall sleep restful nights" (St. Ephraim the Syrian)

I would like to know as well....why 150ad? Why not 149, or 178? Why not AD 90-ish when St. John died?

Why 150? What transpired in that year to make you say that the Church fell into heresy?

PP

He used to ask for proof of iconography from before Constantine. After he was shown examples such as the Alexemenos Graffito and the Catacomb Icons, some of which date from the mid to late 2nd century, he decided to move the goalposts to 150 AD.

I can't believe you even bring this up!

The Alexemenos Graffito was drawn by PAGANS making FUN of Christians!

That was an embarrassing argument people on this board put up for the stance of icons.

Yes, the reason the Pagans were mocking Christians who venerated the Cross (Which is an Icon) is because there were Christians venerating the Cross to begin with. Ergo, Veneration of Icons was not unknown during that time period.

I would like to know as well....why 150ad? Why not 149, or 178? Why not AD 90-ish when St. John died?

Why 150? What transpired in that year to make you say that the Church fell into heresy?

PP

He used to ask for proof of iconography from before Constantine. After he was shown examples such as the Alexemenos Graffito and the Catacomb Icons, some of which date from the mid to late 2nd century, he decided to move the goalposts to 150 AD.

I remember that. I gave one or two examples myself. I was simply curious as to why he chose that date. Surely there must be a reason....

PP

Because it's earlier than the earliest examples we gave.

If we find an example from 110 AD, I'm 99% sure he will ask for examples from before St. John's death.

Prolly right.

PP

150 is early... Is it not over 100 Years AFTER the death of Christ? Surely if icons existed in the original church, there would be icons during a 100 YEAR span.

I don't know what to say. Do you know what the word 'extant' means?

Sure.

So what you are saying is you are perfectly comfortable venerating icons that:1) No record exists of them pre 150.2) No writing exists of them pre 150. (Despite many other writings surviving)

I've even tried looking into Origen's writings to find them (as he is prolific). Can't find anything.

Of course there are paintings/drawings of Origen made after the fact.

But if I am going to be convinced to disobey the 1st commandment of God by "the church" and accept the apologetics of "the church", then certainly "the church" needs to prove its history, or at least have some early writing about icons showing how their apologetics are correct.Considering how heavy icons are used in the EO church today, this is disturbing.

Buddhists don't believe in god dude. They are not pagans. Also, if there is a Church outside of Orthodoxy and Catholicism that has Apostolic Succession, other than the Nestorian Church, which one is it?

Is this Church some secret society that has been undocumented that has continued the Apostolic Succession under the radar of history? Where does this group exist?

"We were commanded by God not to make images in the likeness of things in Heaven, on Earth, or under the Sea. The EO church does make these images, iconodules have killed for these images even. They are pagan of Eastern influence...."

No buddy, we were commanded TO make images. Read Exodus 26. Also don't read the graven images verse out of context. Show what the original language is instead of hiding behind a mistranslation. The original commandment doesn't say anything close to 'graven images' in the original language.

Furthermore, the Sign of the Cross is from the 1st century. Read the Liturgy of St. James.

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I didn't read it out of context. Jews do not use images, and the ones who did were accused of idolatry.

They don't believe in graven images OR images in the likeness....

I didn't cite the buddhist religion, I stated that the buddhists influenced iconography..... How else did halos/auras come to be?

YiM, I just want to know what you see the history of the "True Church" is. Can you give a brief narrative of the history of the church?

I am also confused how you can believe that the Eucharist is Christ's true Body and Blood, but not accept the Church. The Orthodox say it only happens through the Church, but it seems if you believe in the protestant view of an invisible church. How does an invisible church change the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ? What if your pastor is secretly skeptical of his faith? Does that make the communion he offers invalid? Can anyone consecrate the elements? Once I realized that the Eucharist is the true Body and Blood of Christ, the concept of an invisible church just kind of falls apart.

This would expand too far for me to do this right now. I'll talk about communion at some other point.

Trying to stay in context and stick to some of the points on this thread, at some point and time, somebody convinced those in the church that images on paint and wood (venerated) equated to venerating that person in heaven.

Or to have things similar to an iconostasisWhoops

And convinced them to repeat prayers (count them too!)

Also consider the images...

I know you people are smart enough to see the pagan influence on the EO church. Come on folks, use your brain.

There is a huge history of Christianity that is also outside of the RC/EO faith. This isn't a "gates of hell prevailing against it" argument. That verse said by an EO Christian would indicate the EO church as "THE CHURCH" rather than seeing "THE CHURCH" outside of Eastern Orthodoxy.

Look, don't be blind, this is very cut and dry obvious. Look at the buddhist icons, complete with "blessing hand signs", auras (cough cough) halos, etc.

We were commanded by God not to make images in the likeness of things in Heaven, on Earth, or under the Sea. The EO church does make these images, iconodules have killed for these images even. They are pagan of Eastern influence....

JUST like all the funky mysticism. All pagan influence.

Correlation does not determine causation.

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YiM, I just want to know what you see the history of the "True Church" is. Can you give a brief narrative of the history of the church?

I am also confused how you can believe that the Eucharist is Christ's true Body and Blood, but not accept the Church. The Orthodox say it only happens through the Church, but it seems if you believe in the protestant view of an invisible church. How does an invisible church change the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ? What if your pastor is secretly skeptical of his faith? Does that make the communion he offers invalid? Can anyone consecrate the elements? Once I realized that the Eucharist is the true Body and Blood of Christ, the concept of an invisible church just kind of falls apart.

This would expand too far for me to do this right now. I'll talk about communion at some other point.

Trying to stay in context and stick to some of the points on this thread, at some point and time, somebody convinced those in the church that images on paint and wood (venerated) equated to venerating that person in heaven.

I know you people are smart enough to see the pagan influence on the EO church. Come on folks, use your brain.

There is a huge history of Christianity that is also outside of the RC/EO faith. This isn't a "gates of hell prevailing against it" argument. That verse said by an EO Christian would indicate the EO church as "THE CHURCH" rather than seeing "THE CHURCH" outside of Eastern Orthodoxy.

Look, don't be blind, this is very cut and dry obvious. Look at the buddhist icons, complete with "blessing hand signs", auras (cough cough) halos, etc.

We were commanded by God not to make images in the likeness of things in Heaven, on Earth, or under the Sea. The EO church does make these images, iconodules have killed for these images even. They are pagan of Eastern influence....

JUST like all the funky mysticism. All pagan influence.

Well, the reason I asked here is because I've asked in other threads that were more on topic and I never got a response. If you don't have answers to it, just say so.

The term planet earth is an innovation which has arisen in recent centuries with the error of heliocentrism.

If one wants to confess a pure doctrine of Orthodoxy, they should be careful not to refer to the earth as a planet, unlike the current Pope as well as Patriarch Kirill and Patriarch Bartholomew, who regularly speak in error when they refer to our planet earth.

YiM, I just want to know what you see the history of the "True Church" is. Can you give a brief narrative of the history of the church?

I am also confused how you can believe that the Eucharist is Christ's true Body and Blood, but not accept the Church. The Orthodox say it only happens through the Church, but it seems if you believe in the protestant view of an invisible church. How does an invisible church change the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ? What if your pastor is secretly skeptical of his faith? Does that make the communion he offers invalid? Can anyone consecrate the elements? Once I realized that the Eucharist is the true Body and Blood of Christ, the concept of an invisible church just kind of falls apart.

This would expand too far for me to do this right now. I'll talk about communion at some other point.

Trying to stay in context and stick to some of the points on this thread, at some point and time, somebody convinced those in the church that images on paint and wood (venerated) equated to venerating that person in heaven.

I know you people are smart enough to see the pagan influence on the EO church. Come on folks, use your brain.

There is a huge history of Christianity that is also outside of the RC/EO faith. This isn't a "gates of hell prevailing against it" argument. That verse said by an EO Christian would indicate the EO church as "THE CHURCH" rather than seeing "THE CHURCH" outside of Eastern Orthodoxy.

Look, don't be blind, this is very cut and dry obvious. Look at the buddhist icons, complete with "blessing hand signs", auras (cough cough) halos, etc.

We were commanded by God not to make images in the likeness of things in Heaven, on Earth, or under the Sea. The EO church does make these images, iconodules have killed for these images even. They are pagan of Eastern influence....

JUST like all the funky mysticism. All pagan influence.

Well, the reason I asked here is because I've asked in other threads that were more on topic and I never got a response. If you don't have answers to it, just say so.

YiM, I just want to know what you see the history of the "True Church" is. Can you give a brief narrative of the history of the church?

I am also confused how you can believe that the Eucharist is Christ's true Body and Blood, but not accept the Church. The Orthodox say it only happens through the Church, but it seems if you believe in the protestant view of an invisible church. How does an invisible church change the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ? What if your pastor is secretly skeptical of his faith? Does that make the communion he offers invalid? Can anyone consecrate the elements? Once I realized that the Eucharist is the true Body and Blood of Christ, the concept of an invisible church just kind of falls apart.

This would expand too far for me to do this right now. I'll talk about communion at some other point.

Trying to stay in context and stick to some of the points on this thread, at some point and time, somebody convinced those in the church that images on paint and wood (venerated) equated to venerating that person in heaven.

Or to have things similar to an iconostasisWhoops

And convinced them to repeat prayers (count them too!)

Also consider the images...

I know you people are smart enough to see the pagan influence on the EO church. Come on folks, use your brain.

There is a huge history of Christianity that is also outside of the RC/EO faith. This isn't a "gates of hell prevailing against it" argument. That verse said by an EO Christian would indicate the EO church as "THE CHURCH" rather than seeing "THE CHURCH" outside of Eastern Orthodoxy.

Look, don't be blind, this is very cut and dry obvious. Look at the buddhist icons, complete with "blessing hand signs", auras (cough cough) halos, etc.

We were commanded by God not to make images in the likeness of things in Heaven, on Earth, or under the Sea. The EO church does make these images, iconodules have killed for these images even. They are pagan of Eastern influence....

JUST like all the funky mysticism. All pagan influence.

THen you cant worship Christ as the Son of God because of this guy...pagan influence and all:

PP

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"I confidently affirm that whoever calls himself Universal Bishop is the precursor of Antichrist"Gregory the Great

"Never, never, never let anyone tell you that, in order to be Orthodox, you must also be eastern." St. John Maximovitch, The Wonderworker

Buddhists don't believe in god dude. They are not pagans. Also, if there is a Church outside of Orthodoxy and Catholicism that has Apostolic Succession, other than the Nestorian Church, which one is it?

Is this Church some secret society that has been undocumented that has continued the Apostolic Succession under the radar of history? Where does this group exist?

"We were commanded by God not to make images in the likeness of things in Heaven, on Earth, or under the Sea. The EO church does make these images, iconodules have killed for these images even. They are pagan of Eastern influence...."

No buddy, we were commanded TO make images. Read Exodus 26. Also don't read the graven images verse out of context. Show what the original language is instead of hiding behind a mistranslation. The original commandment doesn't say anything close to 'graven images' in the original language.

Furthermore, the Sign of the Cross is from the 1st century. Read the Liturgy of St. James.

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I didn't read it out of context. Jews do not use images, and the ones who did were accused of idolatry.

They don't believe in graven images OR images in the likeness....

I didn't cite the buddhist religion, I stated that the buddhists influenced iconography..... How else did halos/auras come to be?

Buddhists don't believe in god dude. They are not pagans. Also, if there is a Church outside of Orthodoxy and Catholicism that has Apostolic Succession, other than the Nestorian Church, which one is it?

Is this Church some secret society that has been undocumented that has continued the Apostolic Succession under the radar of history? Where does this group exist?

"We were commanded by God not to make images in the likeness of things in Heaven, on Earth, or under the Sea. The EO church does make these images, iconodules have killed for these images even. They are pagan of Eastern influence...."

No buddy, we were commanded TO make images. Read Exodus 26. Also don't read the graven images verse out of context. Show what the original language is instead of hiding behind a mistranslation. The original commandment doesn't say anything close to 'graven images' in the original language.

Furthermore, the Sign of the Cross is from the 1st century. Read the Liturgy of St. James.

'

I didn't read it out of context. Jews do not use images, and the ones who did were accused of idolatry.

They don't believe in graven images OR images in the likeness....

I didn't cite the buddhist religion, I stated that the buddhists influenced iconography..... How else did halos/auras come to be?

The term planet earth is an innovation which has arisen in recent centuries with the error of heliocentrism.

If one wants to confess a pure doctrine of Orthodoxy, they should be careful not to refer to the earth as a planet, unlike the current Pope as well as Patriarch Kirill and Patriarch Bartholomew, who regularly speak in error when they refer to our planet earth.

YiM, I just want to know what you see the history of the "True Church" is. Can you give a brief narrative of the history of the church?

I am also confused how you can believe that the Eucharist is Christ's true Body and Blood, but not accept the Church. The Orthodox say it only happens through the Church, but it seems if you believe in the protestant view of an invisible church. How does an invisible church change the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ? What if your pastor is secretly skeptical of his faith? Does that make the communion he offers invalid? Can anyone consecrate the elements? Once I realized that the Eucharist is the true Body and Blood of Christ, the concept of an invisible church just kind of falls apart.

This would expand too far for me to do this right now. I'll talk about communion at some other point.

Trying to stay in context and stick to some of the points on this thread, at some point and time, somebody convinced those in the church that images on paint and wood (venerated) equated to venerating that person in heaven.

I know you people are smart enough to see the pagan influence on the EO church. Come on folks, use your brain.

There is a huge history of Christianity that is also outside of the RC/EO faith. This isn't a "gates of hell prevailing against it" argument. That verse said by an EO Christian would indicate the EO church as "THE CHURCH" rather than seeing "THE CHURCH" outside of Eastern Orthodoxy.

Look, don't be blind, this is very cut and dry obvious. Look at the buddhist icons, complete with "blessing hand signs", auras (cough cough) halos, etc.

We were commanded by God not to make images in the likeness of things in Heaven, on Earth, or under the Sea. The EO church does make these images, iconodules have killed for these images even. They are pagan of Eastern influence....

JUST like all the funky mysticism. All pagan influence.

St. John used the pagan concept of Logos Spermatikos to describe The Son of God. If our Theology can be based on originally pagan ideas, why not Iconography? If you have a problem with Christianizing pagan concepts then you also have a problem with the Scriptures and St. John the Apostle.

I know you people are smart enough to see the pagan influence on the EO church. Come on folks, use your brain.

There is a huge history of Christianity that is also outside of the RC/EO faith. This isn't a "gates of hell prevailing against it" argument. That verse said by an EO Christian would indicate the EO church as "THE CHURCH" rather than seeing "THE CHURCH" outside of Eastern Orthodoxy.

Look, don't be blind, this is very cut and dry obvious. Look at the buddhist icons, complete with "blessing hand signs", auras (cough cough) halos, etc.

We were commanded by God not to make images in the likeness of things in Heaven, on Earth, or under the Sea. The EO church does make these images, iconodules have killed for these images even. They are pagan of Eastern influence....

JUST like all the funky mysticism. All pagan influence.

There is 7 k km between Stanbul and India. How could Buddhism influenced Christianity so heavily?

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.

I know you people are smart enough to see the pagan influence on the EO church. Come on folks, use your brain.

There is a huge history of Christianity that is also outside of the RC/EO faith. This isn't a "gates of hell prevailing against it" argument. That verse said by an EO Christian would indicate the EO church as "THE CHURCH" rather than seeing "THE CHURCH" outside of Eastern Orthodoxy.

Look, don't be blind, this is very cut and dry obvious. Look at the buddhist icons, complete with "blessing hand signs", auras (cough cough) halos, etc.

We were commanded by God not to make images in the likeness of things in Heaven, on Earth, or under the Sea. The EO church does make these images, iconodules have killed for these images even. They are pagan of Eastern influence....

JUST like all the funky mysticism. All pagan influence.

There is 7 k km between Stanbul and India. How could Buddhism influenced Christianity so heavily?

He'll probably say the trade route of the Silk Road.

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I know you people are smart enough to see the pagan influence on the EO church. Come on folks, use your brain.

There is a huge history of Christianity that is also outside of the RC/EO faith. This isn't a "gates of hell prevailing against it" argument. That verse said by an EO Christian would indicate the EO church as "THE CHURCH" rather than seeing "THE CHURCH" outside of Eastern Orthodoxy.

Look, don't be blind, this is very cut and dry obvious. Look at the buddhist icons, complete with "blessing hand signs", auras (cough cough) halos, etc.

We were commanded by God not to make images in the likeness of things in Heaven, on Earth, or under the Sea. The EO church does make these images, iconodules have killed for these images even. They are pagan of Eastern influence....

JUST like all the funky mysticism. All pagan influence.

There is 7 k km between Stanbul and India. How could Buddhism influenced Christianity so heavily?

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who can watch the watchmen?"No one is paying attention to your post reports"Why do posters that claim to have me blocked keep sending me pms and responding to my posts? That makes no sense.

There is a huge history of Christianity that is also outside of the RC/EO faith. This isn't a "gates of hell prevailing against it" argument. That verse said by an EO Christian would indicate the EO church as "THE CHURCH" rather than seeing "THE CHURCH" outside of Eastern Orthodoxy.

No kidding.

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