The funny thing was when he was playing Nadal in Madrid. Nadal usually gets up after his opponent after a changeover but Federer just kept sitting there. Nadal finally got up first lol. Federer said in the interview that he noticed Nadal did that so he just kept sitting to see if Nadal would get up lol.

The funny thing was when he was playing Nadal in Madrid. Nadal usually gets up after his opponent after a changeover but Federer just kept sitting there. Nadal finally got up first lol. Federer said in the interview that he noticed Nadal did that so he just kept sitting to see if Nadal would get up lol.

I think most any umpire would tell you it does not matter, as long as they have the common courtesy to shake hands.
We have all seen players refuse to shake umpires hands after abusing the chair several times during a match.
What I would like to see is an Umpire refuse to shake a players hand after being abused during a match, that would be great.

I think players often have legitimate complaints about calls but most players have been wrong multiple times about calls that were not even close.

I've seen many players do this. I assumed the tradition was loser first but I've honestly seen so many different players do it different ways, including players not shaking at all even if there'd been no controversy. no biggie to me

Because he is an arrogant overrated clown. Nowhere near goat.
He does this becuase he is a no skill overrated arrogant POS. He is nowhere near the class of Lendl, Laver, Borg, Sampras or any other players that have won at least 2 GS's.
He does not deserve 2 carry their Jock straps.
He would maybe get 1 win off these master skillset champions.
Federer? Pfffft.
Washed up skinny old non-goat. No backhand. He has nothing.
This era is a bunch of nothings.

There is no routine when shaking hands, a lot of players wave on his opponent to shake first or whatever, it makes no difference.

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Quoted for truth, in the hopes that people who don't actually read threads before they comment will see it.

There is no rule or even tradition about who shakes the umpire's hand first. Sometimes the guy who loses is moving so fast to get out of there that he does it, sometimes one player will wave the other player forward, sometimes they'll both try to do it at the same time.

Now, how many more posts before this turns into a Fed vs Nadal thread?

Quoted for truth, in the hopes that people who don't actually read threads before they comment will see it.

There is no rule or even tradition about who shakes the umpire's hand first. Sometimes the guy who loses is moving so fast to get out of there that he does it, sometimes one player will wave the other player forward, sometimes they'll both try to do it at the same time.

Now, how many more posts before this turns into a Fed vs Nadal thread?

Prior to the early 1980s nobody shook the umpire's hand. You simply acknowledged the umpire by lifting your racket as you passed. You don't shake the umpire's hand in other sports. Why in tennis? If the umpire were an unpaid volunteer I could see it as a way of thanking him for his time and effort. I can't see it though for a paid professional who is merely doing his job.

Prior to the early 1980s nobody shook the umpire's hand. You simply acknowledged the umpire by lifting your racket as you passed. You don't shake the umpire's hand in other sports. Why in tennis? If the umpire were an unpaid volunteer I could see it as a way of thanking him for his time and effort. I can't see it though for a paid professional who is merely doing his job.

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Technically, and in the same logic, both of the players are just paid professionals who are merely doing their jobs too! I haven't watched closely enough at the team-pro level, but I can say at the amateur level, whenever I've played a team sport at least the captain, if not the whole team, will shake the ref's / umps hand.

Haha, we don't have Radio Shack here in OZ. But in Rebel Sport shops, they used to ask me my postcode!! Every time!

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Actually not quite true, we did have it / sort-of still do, 'tandy' stores, from my understanding, are our equivalent (much less prominent than they used to be, overtaken by jaycar and dick smith). I've definitely bought radio shack products from tandy stores many moons ago.

As for rebel - for sure, postcodes are always captured. Obviously they just want to know how far people travel & from where, would be invaluable advice in choosing where to open the next rebel....

The funny thing was when he was playing Nadal in Madrid. Nadal usually gets up after his opponent after a changeover but Federer just kept sitting there. Nadal finally got up first lol. Federer said in the interview that he noticed Nadal did that so he just kept sitting to see if Nadal would get up lol.

I think most any umpire would tell you it does not matter, as long as they have the common courtesy to shake hands.
We have all seen players refuse to shake umpires hands after abusing the chair several times during a match.
What I would like to see is an Umpire refuse to shake a players hand after being abused during a match, that would be great.

I think players often have legitimate complaints about calls but most players have been wrong multiple times about calls that were not even close.

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I have seen one umpire refuse to shake hands. I have come very close on 2 occasions to refusing to shake a player's hand after a match, but fortunately, the player had the same feeling, so he didn't shake mine.

I have seen one umpire refuse to shake hands. I have come very close on 2 occasions to refusing to shake a player's hand after a match, but fortunately, the player had the same feeling, so he didn't shake mine.

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While I'm sure naming names would be a breach of trust, can you at least elaborate on the details concerning the three incidents? I would be very interested in hearing these tales.