A new video from Vice News published Friday focuses on a healing retreats for "Women of Color" where participants can go to get away from white people.

The founder says that white people are so destructive that they "shouldn't even have passports."

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The retreat is called the "Women of Color Healing Retreat" and takes place in Puerto Viejo, Costa Rica. Vice News notes that it "specifically banned white people."

The narrator notes that one attendee "needed a break - from white people."

The founder, Andrea X, expressed the opinion that white people - but white Americans specifically, shouldn't be allowed to have passports or travel.

"I have no tips for a white person" she said. "My tip to white people is to let us have our space, let us have our room, and go hang out with other white people. We're okay. You know, you've done enough damage."

Andrea X also says that she "decided one day to just eliminate white people from my personal life" due to "microaggressions" and "passive-aggressiveness."

"And ever since then, my life has been way more breezy," she said.

The video also specifically notes that more black women are choosing to come to this retreat due to the current American political climate under President Trump.

Reader Comments

On the other hand, also a good business opportunity for the owner of the retreat to 'stand out' from the other competing resorts and take advantage of the current climate in the US of identity politics.

What chances are there that if you look into the retreat you'll find some 'white' power brokers hidden away somewhere (investors, ownership etc etc) meaning... hypocrisy runs deep from the 'public-face' representatives of the resort and the only people being duped are the paying customers.

It's quite racist.... to white people. If white people had a retreat that outwardly banned black people, like a marketing gimmick, there would be outrage. Not saying those retreats don't exist, they might just be marketed differently or located somewhere inhospitable e.g. a very very expensive resort somewhere in the middle of nowhere in iceland ... no sane black person would go there for vacation HAHA

Apart from the racism in the video... I saw gender discrimination. Where are the men at? Forget white men... there's no even black men. It's like one of those women's only yoga retreats where they yap on about being a woman and no man is allowed in other than to fix plumbing and whatnot if there's a leak

So seldom do we come up with an original thought as no doubt, given our sheer numbers on this planet, it is more often than not, that someone else out there has thought what you have and most likely taken it one step further.

Please see below, in direct relation to your thoughts pertaining this issue

"We're looking for ways to...coping mechanisms...you know...and ways to take care of ourselves. Because we're not on the agenda."

Hmmmm. Well...old white woman here doesn't feel like I'm on anyone's damn agenda either. The U.S. medical system has never reflected my values or ideas of efficacy. Yet, I am forced by my government to get Medicare although I will die before going into a hosptial. Or use a typical Western doctor. I don't play with words. And they can take their friggin' flu shot and shove it.

These dark beauties fail to recognize that, under Obama, the rate of older, middle-class whites dying spiked at unprecedented rates. Blacks die. Whites die. Can no one of color think outside the box?

Who wants you dead? And until you recognize or realize the true intent and inner workings of this world, all the coping mechanisms learned in Cost Rica are as sand through the hourglass.

Get away from white people ??? White people most likely own the company they work for and pays them white money so they can go to these resorts to "get away from whites", wear clothing from white owned clothing companies, eating food grown and produced by white farmers and processed by white owned companies, talking on phones and internet companies owned by whites, going to white owned hospitals, flying on white owned airlines , driving cars produced by white owned companies, ect..... If they are not happy living among white people and using almost all products produced and owned by whites then perhaps it would be in their best interest to leave the US for an all black country or island..or maybe they need to start thinking about what the heck they are thinking..

And, having spent 20 years intimately around high grade country music (yes, there is) the Garth Brooks link seems me wholly off topic, not to mention banal.

My advice to him is the same: If you don't like where you are hanging . . . leave.

And maybe take up a little mid-90s Cohen [Link] while you're about it, perhaps a little Annie Lennox [Link] or some Mavis Staples [Link]
Simple and, discounting the fact that you take yourself wherever you go, entirely effective . . .

Good Optics Well said. They are "reacting" to their own real experiences of life that a lot of fascists here don't or refuse to understand. There's an element of hypocrisy & kachang at the cashier for sure but stiff shit it's everywhere.

"Medusa is the second solo album by the Scottish singer Annie Lennox, released in March 1995. It is composed of eleven songs that originally belonged to male singers, all re-recorded by Lennox.

However a commentor wrote:

Chris Andrus 1 year ago

[ . . .] though it's by-and-large true that these tunes are penned by and in most cases made famous by, males, at least one exception should be noted: Chrissy Hind (The Pretenders) is the author, and to my knowledge the only performer, of "Thin Line Between Love & Hate" . . .

Good Optics "In closing I'd ask what the FUCK is wrong with you people, but I don't think a (wo)man jack amoung you has any idea whatever."

That is a question all posters should be asking themselves, and you shouldn't direct the question to 'everyone else' as it pertains to you as well.

However, I think the main point in this article is the the language they use to justify the retreat. It is not as if they just said we wanted a retreat where a black person can come and re identify with our culture and relax with others on the same mission. No, we get , whites this and whites that. If these ladies left out the rhetoric of race no one here would really care about what they do, and I think that is a missing point: no one cares what others do in their free time, but you can berate others in the process.

"I have no tips for a white person" she said. "My tip to white people is to let us have our space, let us have our room, and go hang out with other white people . We're okay. You know, you've done enough damage."

Few things sell as well as victimization. The utter and audacious hypocrisy of one who can afford a plane flight to Costa Rica, eat out, stay in a nice hotel and whine that they are victims.

Do you never ask yourself what might have been your part, your family's part, your friends part, your culture's part in it all.

Few things sell as well as victimization. The utter and audacious hypocrisy of one who can afford a plane flight to Costa Rica, eat out, stay in a nice hotel and whine that they are victims.

Sure, and ditch your job, spend your savings, start a new life, raise enough money to buy your own property and set about the creation of a place where those who feel as disenfranchised as you did, and likely still do, can go to find some camaraderie and gain the strength that comes form knowing they're not alone. To make common ground amoung others that's only a phone call away once back in the Unassailable System of Assholes.

The world is not an OK place and people need respite from it all, that's why they're called 'retreats'.

Bye Americans need to 'get out more' and I applaud that. That means get out of their country more, see how other people in the word live (and suffer) just like they do.

Most would think that they can't afford it. Most would think they 'can't rock the boat' (when they can). Most would think they can't change the world, when they can. Most would be wrong. The media has them convinced.

Bye Yeah you just keep believing it...There's No such thing as Victims..NO Discrimination...Maybe NO Wage Slavery & if we all work hard like that fraud Peterson we can achieve anything...Got news for you...90% of people work way more than hard & get no where...You should realize that these lucky women have achieved something many maybe never will...Realized Reality...And are doing something honest for them selves with their own money.

And so long as they're not hurting anyone they can spend it as they like...That's Liberty...!!!

On the one hand I applaud this business woman's initiative and 'smarts' for creating something that black women obviously benefit from (and seek out). On the other - why is it necessary?? Why SHOULD it be necessary? The fact that it exists, seems to me not surprising; and a healthy expression of capitalism, but ultimately a little bit sad. Why aren't these women getting the positive reinforcement and feedback they need from their own culture?

No, Trump and white people are not to blame (thank you white dominated media for pushing this agenda, but... I think not). I think there is an underlying sickness in society that these women are also picking up.

There's nothing wrong with a retreat. You're just giving white women, and guys, good ideas!

DactivateD Your comments not worth more than 2 cents anyhow...Raging over nothing ???...I've heard it all now...So we're all imagining that racism & discrimination's real at all. Oh well my keyboard's safe but my forehead isn't...I'll have to bury my head in the sand too I think & create my own reality.

sbc LOL...I'd first ask why my comments suck...What was unintelligent about them...And I could care less about what you thought of my comments unless you explained your self...I may get a little emotional & to the point at times as men can do but it's not often I don't give some argument or explanation. Damn I hate using that word... I...but you sucked me into it...

You're welcome to treat me the same as I treat you...but I do understand & value your input... ...Just Joking...

BlackCartouche Oh do stop that. Anyway, that was ages ago. I'm a lot better looking now than I was then.

One thing I remember about that shoot is that it was a two-dayer in this old Victorian music hall off Cable Street, I only did about a day of it, 'cause me and this guy Ebonard got so teed off with having to listen to that damn tune over and over again that we both nicked off to the nearest pub in full Edwardian gear. Of course, nobody took a blind bit off notice either way.

Highland Fleet Lute When I was a young whippersnapper I did a three-dayer as an extra for Val Kilmer's movie The Saint. Had to wear the same cloths for 3 days. Think I'm in it for about 1.5 seconds in a Hertford College dining hall scene. Got paid £80 cash for eating verrrrrry slowly 2 hrs each day... Not too bad I suppose.

Like a fine wine that matures with age... I've gotten much more handsome too

This video and story makes me feel that if Blacks ever become the ruling majority in America whites will become the second class citizens openly and wantonly discriminated against. NOT covert discrimination or subconscious discrimination based on microaggressions, but overt and on purpose as pay back. Especially after all the blacks vs. whites Media coverage.

How much of my feelings are realistic, dumb, or programmed by the media?

The Media is the more racist out of blacks or whites. Do not forget. Obama and the Media have taken society back 60 years in time and this is what we now have.

sbc I have actually lost colored friends because I wouldn't apologize for slavery or racism that I'm not a part of, AFTER Obama was elected and started pouring his salt on the societal wounds blaming black behaviors on white aggression and suppression, limiting blacks' personal responsibility for their own actions and future as in integrated demographic. Or his ,"I don't trust the cops" speech. That man did nothing for bringing the country together.

It's funny how concentration now is on "poor" whites vs black people. Some 50 years ago blacks could not go to same bathroom as whites, go to same school as whites, and what not. But yeah, what the black people have to bitch about ? Get over it, it was not me who done that. You effing serious folks ?

I doubt if these women have ever gone hungry, ever gone without shoes, ever been called 'nigger'.

"Get over it, it was not me who done that. You effing serious folks ?"

It wasn't. It was done by people who are long gone dead, and it certainly wasn't done to these two.

Are you suggesting that there should be some weird retroactive blame system set in place where, if your grandad mistreats my grandad, then I should blame you, your children and your children's children, and also anyone who has the same skin colour, sans time limit?

Ever heard about such thing as trauma ? Let's say your neighbour abused your mom back in 60's. Person who done that are dead, but offsprings of the person never wronged you, still your neighbours, so you will totally attend their parties if invited and be all neighbourly too, right ? Because you know, everything is nice and peachy now. No hard feelings, right ?

Holding a grudge... only one hurting then is the person holding the grudge, it don’t make things better, and those ladies will go back to the states with reinforced raciest stereotypes after the retreat... unconsciously reacting to some ill-conceived micro-aggression and aid in the propagation more polarisation... yeah! some parts of the states are shit... some parts of every country has shit of some description or another going on...

We need to grow up as a species... stop playing the victim and wake the hell up, and I’m won’t hold my breath for those KKK ideologues, somebody has to stop acting the moron and stop mirroring the stupidity of inbred American white folk, over there.

If not, the world become like a well organised supermarket of ‘crunchy tasty’ specials, each with their own section. This week we have SWJ’s on special, next week get two polarised marginalised filleted sections of the population for the price of one.

I have no idea who buying, but people are just jumping to be placed on a shelf, all they need is a barcode.

agni It is called intergenerational trauma. However, your example proves that the trauma can go both ways (color plays no role). Most times a generation later and no one may be the wiser to the trauma suffered by the relative in the previous generation. The trauma lives on if one wants it to do so. If that relative lived their life reliving the event day after day they are surely going to pass down some sort of suggested relationship towards that event to their offspring. If they come to terms with the trauma, accept it, and work toward healing then there could be a case made that they would pass on a heightened knowledge toward the event rather than submissive.

And what did it take ? If nazis were not defeated, decided to stop doing their nazi stuff, say forget about it to anyone affected, you think results would be the same ? No questions, no answers, lets move along ?

With only a couple of exceptions this comment thread is the lamest example in the nearly 20 years I've been reading SOTT.

By a goodly margin most here want to simply carry on and our interlopers to take their 'stuff' elsewhere, shut up about it, suck up some more the of white mans' bullshit racist attitude and, generally, evaporate . . .

They do not want to actually look at themselves in anything resembling the mirror of these peoples' cultural soul wound. Here' a Google [Link] .

No one, not one person, in this p.o.s. comment thread has said, "I wonder what they're thinking and feeling; I wonder what their lives have been like, their families' lives, their forebears' lives."

Instead we're presented with:

But it's a piece of propaganda, designed to polarise, 'make you feel', etc.

No one has ventured to say they'd actually shut the hell up and listen; make an honest effort lose their overarching self-absorption to even attempt to expand into the cultural world of just one of very many cultures the European white man has trashed into the blood stained mud through the last many centuries.

No one, not one person, in this p.o.s. comment thread has said, "I wonder what they're thinking and feeling; I wonder what their lives have been like, their families' lives, their forebears' lives."

Let me offer you an example. I have relatives living in Afghanistan, a country where there still is danger, partly due to the West's - mainly US - involvement in it. It's a strategic area to be in with Russia, China, and Iran being nearby and all that - they're not there to make the place any better. If I'd live in the US, should I go to a retreat and get away from Americans, and bond with my fellow Persians, because of what the Deep State has done to the country I happen to be from? No, I don't, because I have the common sense that someone's origin, or even skin color, doesn't come with a label that says: Danger! Racist! Oppressor! I've known and met various Americans, and they're pretty cool, actually. So what these people are doing is quite sad, they're isolating themselves from Caucasian people, some of whom I'm pretty sure have done a LOT for black communities. They're only helping themselves. Plus, I'm pretty sure many black people don't feel and think the same way they do (not that I think those ladies have done a lot of 'thinking').

BlackCartouche A lot of my best mates at my South London primary school and on, were cool Jamaicans straight off the banana boat, and school was all very cool, man. There was none of this bullshit around then, and I'll be unlikely to 'upgrade and update' my records according to the warped diktats of a bunch of ID-pol lunatics, and victims of same over this and similar issues at any time in the near future.

In London, it's very difficult for snow-flakey types to make an argument with me over these issues, 'cause I just say, "Were you in the Brixton riots? No you weren't, so f*ck off". LOL.

Oxajil You need to walk a mile in their shoes...Not your own but theirs. Maybe a history lesson would help as well and a study on how blacks are still treated today...Sure one can't stereotype all people as the same but one can't ignore facts & history either.

Oxajil You're asking the wrong person about these ladies experiences...And that's the point I'm making...Go and ask them if you really want to know..How can you or I know without walking a mile in their shoes. Circumstances can be as unique as people and experienced in many unique ways. And don't give me the banal nonsense about there's No Victims...The wold is full of them...

I think if you actually put on a burka and sung the Gods' honest truth from the rooftops in a busy street about what's happening to your victimized people in Afghanistan you may just discover what a victim feels like...Better still paint your skin black and wear an afro wig whilst doing it...Now that's even more interesting.

Please Go and ask your relatives if they're just playing victim.

Maybe they should just get over it eh.

Ah heck get over it you bunch of whiners...

Me...I would get a gun & start shooting the bastards but not everyone is me or capable of the same...That's what we need to understand.

lysna I'm not saying there aren't any victims. Everyone has suffered or will suffer in one way or another. But you can grow from it, and become stronger and wiser, or you can get stuck in it, and become your own worst enemy.

Oxajil Growth takes time. Victims take longer. They will grow as we grow...We don't need to isolate these girls further with our ignorance. As such we're only proving we haven't learnt much and judging by some of the comments here they're right.

Oxajil That's too many words Peterson uses to describe "himself"... and his "disciples"...Hey its good when he know ALL about everything & everyone...What's next...The Peterson Cooking Hour Show...The Peterson Daily News Show...The Special One Hour Peterson on How to Serve like Federer Analysis.

You are reactive and simplistic. Nerves signaling and flooding on goals of greatness. Now fuck off. You have better know better feel better are better. Just fuck off start war starving shooting hating live your doom nd fuck off for fuck’ sake because you will never see what you are.

"With only a couple of exceptions this comment thread is the lamest example in the nearly 20 years I've been reading SOTT."

It's amazing how hot under the collar some people will get over a shit Annie Lennox record. Jeezus, what a psycho unboxing. What was the other one? Oh yeah, shit Mavis Staples records . LOL. Mavis Staples, a name soul connoisseurs instantly recognise as the fraudulent soul fan's fav virtue-signalling name-drop de jour.

So, you're a fake woman, fake soul fan, what else it is about you that is fake? Or perhaps the question should be, what is it about you that isn't fake? Damn sure you wouldn't know the difference anyway. Boys will be girls, war will be peace, racism will be anti-racism, etc, etc.

"The majority of the commenters here are the lamest bunch of poseurs, of wannbe-s seen in a long, long time."

Hah-hah-hah, that's super-rich coming from you. LOL. I'm sure you look as pretty as a picture saying that in yer size 13 clod-hoppers and 1980's Laura Ashley print dress, waving your fists and swinging your handbag. I bet that would have looked good in one of those YouTube cringe compilations.

"Disgusted in Canada".

I'd be disgusted if I was in Canada too. The land that Barbra Streisand forgot. LOL.

Making yet more of a perfect horse's ass of yourself is your best shot ? ?

Oh wait, maybe you don't care, being self-evidently much. too. cool. to actually buckle down to a reasoned response.

Oh yes, maybe I'm five eight and wear a size six or eight, depending, and size nines. Maybe . . . but you wouldn't know now would you and, going back to ad hominem land, why might it matter in the least ? ?

You're exactly the sort of dipshit who gives men a bad name, the sort who exactly justifies what the protagonists here are on about: taking a break from assholes, networking, creating camaraderie and community within and from which to live more constructively in their worlds back Stateside . . .

"We need to grow up as a species... stop playing the victim and wake the hell up."

Yeah. It's important to acknowledge all these historical occurrences, but capitalising on the suffering of others when you haven't suffered at all, and then using what is basically a grave-robbery blackmail scam as number one life-negotiation tool amongst your innocent peers, has got to be the lowest of the low.

But lysna, you can't even do that yourself, so why lay that kind of crap on everyone else? All anyone knows about you is that you swear a lot, you suffer from huge rage rampages when you're in front of a computer, and that you have a somewhat fabulistic idea about yourself that you're a 'good person' because you think you're a good person.

You've learned nothing from any of the many insightful, intelligent, well thought-out comments here and your completely banal reply to Oxajil's comment just shows how starved your brain must be of oxygen.

Highland Fleet Lute It seems you can't read..I said why WE all fail...Putting you're own words into others mouths is what you do best anyhow...If I suffer from huge rage rampages that make 2 of us so it's somewhat like the pot calling the kettle black I'd say. Hey but you're cherry picking now aren't you..

Was it my apology that insulted you. I'm sure your capable of doing the same so don't underestimate your self.

To be honest I don't see much intelligence or broad mindedness or understanding in these comments...Lot's of ignorance, denial & evident racists ..inflexibility & lots & lots of banality.. just regurgitated nonsense from people incapable of thinking freely.

Led by the nose like cows.

Did you say my brain's starved of Oxygen...???...Bro I keep a bottle of it here for the times you comment & suck all oxygen of the face of the planet with you ego..It gets a bit hard to breathe after reading some of your stiff upper lip hard nose shit.

I see the people building the retreat as some who have had it up to here with inbred, racist BS, are done with putting up with it, are calling it out and are creating a place for those who feel likewise.

The title of Thomas Hardy's, "Far From the Madding Crowd" comes easily to mind.

Vacations, getaways, retreats and road trips are of course well known and perfectly accepted ways of 'getting away from it all'.

And 'all' could be anything; a hated occupation, a psychopathic boss, a relationship that no longer works, the ceaseless mental noise of a million neurotic people shaking the psychic ground under one's feet.

How often are we told the forest is good for us, a rainy day, the ocean, an island, even a 'stay-cation' ? ?

Getting away is of undeniable value in re-centering, re-grounding; there is no argument.

Not often heard are peoples' reasons for getting away ,it's easier to assume it's for pleasure and very often it is.

Sometimes however pleasure isn't at the top of the list.

Sometimes it's to get away from intractably abhorrent situations such as spoken of by the protagonists; for which they've been roundly trashed, both sidelong and frontallyl; " . . . idiotic twats . . . " in the words of one.

And why, what is the problem with taking the bull(shit) by the horns and twisting its head away ? ?

Are these people 'running away' ? ?

Not in my view.

I think that by the purposed, albeit temporary, exclusion of what is to them the abhorrent from their lives by retreating, they provide themselves an opportunity to gain the strength to once again take up dealing with racists' bullshit while at the same time creating network and camaraderie that might last a long time. And who can say how that might spread though their social networks.

Although I can't but see it likely, I certainly can't generate notions about specifics, nor can anyone else. We're talking about small changes in the initial conditions of many non-linear systems

So all the bloody silly 'Reasons Why Not' and the, 'They have should done this or that-s' or, 'They shouldn't have said this or that' or, 'They should have said this or that like such and so' heard around here are just that: bloody silly.

Who amoung the armchair critics here is actually off their ass and out in the world busting ass to create something of benefit to others ? ?

Good Optics Thanks for your logical & rational arguments & having the Bojangles to speak out...!!!.. ...It would be good to interview these ladies & see why they think & feel the way they do...See ya in next comment section.

How you gonna work this? Blacks aren't separated from whites. Look at North Africans and Arabs where black races merge with Caucasians. The Hispanics too. Where you gonna draw the line who is allowed in and who ain't? Light-skinned blacks... Dark skinned Mediterranean Caucasians... My my... Got yer skin-tone graph at the ready? Some mix-race siblings may find themselves on the other side of the fence from their darker-skin brother from the same mother! Might have just about worked somewhere like starkly black'n'white divided Detroit 30 years ago. But certainly not New York City: One big melting pot of blurred racial boundaries... Is he a Puerto Rican Latino with a bit of home-grown black in him?... Is she white Mestizo mix with a dash of the Oriental?? Goodness me! A right can'o worms here! ... How you gonna play that one?? No New Yorkers please!!!

Then you got another heap o' problems with non-white black-hating racists too! You have to make everyone take a 'Test' to enter your Nirvana, Optics... Like for Replicants in the first Blade Runner film. Racism is lurking beneath within all-sorts for goodness knows what 3D STS reasons.

Your profile says you been following the C's for a long time? Tsk! You should know better, Optics... Much better.

BlackCartouche I've said all I had to say & meant every word of it..Read the whole lot again if you like.

My advice is go talk to the ladies before being so Judgemental. Never know you may change your mind.

I hate racism & have first hand experience of some very nasty stuff growing up so I can empathize with them.

And I'm a white male that grew up in a predominantly white christian conservative society.

Fuckin hate conservatives too...Can you blame me ???

Do I play the victim...NO...Do I need emotional support...NO...but I've dished back everything I received & that may be why.

Do I still care...I tell my self NO...but subconsciously it's YES...for Gods sake the anger can still boil over at times & it can be hard to shake off...My children were exposed to the same racism & discrimination too...The grandchildren less so but it's under the surface.

So things are slowly changing or I'm getting older & wiser & dealing with it better..One needs to experience it before passing judgement on others...Too much polarized right wing thinking lately that's starting to scare me again...

lysna Its nothing to do with being judgemental. Its about ousting flawed thinking being put into action. I get the whole anger thing how it boils over, and people not experiencing another's shoes to appreciate pain and anguish (btw Lysna, I havn't been wrapped in cotton wool all my life... I have the odd battle scar...)

But its anger and emotions that are used against us... Every. Time. Surely you can see that? This is Battlefield 3D Earth STS. You must overcome getting scared. It clouds clear thinking.

BlackCartouche The points you make in terms of who is excluded or not are correct and one of my first thoughts here was that I'd like to be a 'fly on the wall' and see and hear about peoples' lives and how they (need to) deal with things; which given the established boundaries is not to be.

So yes, that's a problem they'll have to deal with as the world can't be in any way divided black/white.

Their matter would seem to be the determination as to who is is of good heart or not

Below you wrote:

You must overcome getting scarred. It clouds clear thinking.

which is correct but scarring happens nonetheless, with 'soul wounds' manifesting life after life.

Psychospiritual nostrums are few are far between with, "Shut up and get on with life" being the typically proffered Band-Aid.

It seems to me our protagonists' is intent to evolve something rather better, something that might to a beneficial extent self-propagate once back home.

In closing for the moment: It's not " . . . your Nirvana"; we don't do La La Land around here and a retreat where one's intention is to face one's pain is hardly a holiday.

@BlackCartouche..I repeat go & talk to the ladies at the camp not me. If they've experienced abuse it's NOT flawed thinking. I call it healing & coping...Rubbing judgemental crap in their faces wont help anyone.

Jesus how many times in my comments have I said to understand someone you must walk a mile in their shoes first...Cliche but true..yawnnns

My anger & emotions are channeled & used in doing as much good for my fellow beings as often as I can..In a fight for justice & truth.

I'm not perfect, far from it, but without emotions we are nothing...no one has identity...and anger can help to drive you all the way home. I'm aware of exploitation so no fear.

I used the term "scared" to be a smart ass...Worried is the correct expression...We're all being taken on this left/right merry go round run by the same people...But yes I cam smell the intolerant dictatorial right thinking here lately...The right wing..and I hate the term...snowflakes are getting very pissed when someone disagrees with their view.

The Left doesn't exist anymore so no point about talking about it.

Nth Africa, Arabs to USA or New York is not a good comparison...Too many differentials my friend.

BlackCartouche At least you got that right...But anyone walking in someone else's shoes wont be a nazi. NEVER...!!! A nazi knows all & don't give a shit about how others think or feel..then only a psycho will reverse the attack on the person that shows empathy & understanding as being a nazi. Ones such as Lute... Tread carefully my friend...!!!

lysna Your emotions have clearly gotten the better of you and any glimmer of thought-clarity has diminished several responses ago. I don't think you know what you're saying anymore... You certainly don't know what I'm saying.

BlackCartouche You said... "I think anyone who needs to walk in someone else's shoes to appreciate another persons pain and struggles is a self-absorbed narcissist".

And you're calling me an unclear thinker...I don't believe this...You may have some understanding but there's nothing like having been on the battle field. Guess if one throws around too many bananas one will attract plenty of monkeys.

You're such a terrible liar. You play the weeping, wailing, swearing, teeth-gnashing, tub-thumping, smallest-violin-in-the-world victim game here, day in, day out, year in, year out.

If you check back to the beginning of the thread, it's interesting how both Lysna and Good Optics are the polarised out of control psychotic aggressors, who when given back a bit of the cold steel they themselves administered first, shift to a slightly more 'reasonable' timbre whilst still wishing these chicks off the edge of the human Beachy Head.

Speaking of smart-mouthed, you took some pains to trash Annie Lennox, (although never explaining yourself) then went on to trash Mavis Staples but you didn't quite to get Leonard, about whom much floats around if you Google something like "Leonard Cohen MK Ultra Ann Diamond".

Even so, I don't care; although reading miles of all that over the years has given me pause to consider his 'inspirations' when he wrote "The Future".

Highland Fleet Lute Ahhhh... another all knowing response from the all knowing Dr Mengele. You remind of something the Nazi's would use as the poster boy for their proleteriat. Matter of fact judging from a lot of your comments I'm sure of it...

What's up Lute...melting under the pressure of being exposed as a control freak...My responses were directed toward fascist snowflakes such as your self...Simpleton Liars that pretend to know all about anyone without any research that immediately run to a well lit polarized cave in defense of their inflexible ideologies ...Yep plenty of them to crawl into & pat each other on the back for doing so... You just keep on assuming you know me so well as you do with everyone, including the ladies in question you overblown toad...

NEW PAPER, added 1/30/15, Bob Dylan's real link to the Rolling Stones. Operation Rolling Stone. I also out the real poet behind Dylan's songs. Joni can't tell you, so I have to.

which amoung others it seems these days you can find by only by digging is why I thought to look for an essay on Cohen.

Mathis has of course those who don't like him and to an extreme degree, with the site, 'miles pantload mathis' [Link] being just one example.

In the course of digging for a Cohen essay, which doesn't seem to exist, I came across the well written, '

The Last Curtain: How Miles Mathis Destroyed (and Gave Me Back) My Life

seen here [Link] where a read clear thru will give one an at least passable sense for Mathis' works.

A thoroughgoing read thru Mathis leaves one with the overpowering sense that almost every last thing put before the public eye in the last century has had 'intelligence' written all over it; art, music, war, money, the economy, science, philosophy, medicine, health, .alt modalities, the list is as long as your arm.

Although I'm not going to undertake an analysis I do suspect that some of the negative attitudes seen in this comment thread spring from the 24/7/365 stream of indoctrination we've endured our entire lives.

BlackCartouche Somewhat in agreement with you, I offer the following from, "The Stolen Century":

Somehow I came up with a paper on Theosophy and the Beat Generation, and although that was only a couple of weeks ago, I couldn't tell you how or why I hit on those subjects to write about. It dropped into my lap, so to speak. I think someone mentioned Theosophy to me, I realized I didn't know much about it, and I began researching it. In that research, I saw a red string and I began to pull on it. It unravelled and unravelled, and before I knew it the whole cloak had turned to a pile of yarn. The red string trailed off into another room, I entered that room, and again all the garments and curtains and rugs unravelled. I have been following that red string ever since.For those of you who have seen the Jodie Foster film Little Man Tate, I recommend you to the math scene [Link] , where the floating numbers come together above the head of Tate. That is the way this feels to me. Or for a less cinematic example, think of how a formerly dark room changes when the bright sunlight floods it in the morning: suddenly you can see all the seams in the walls beneath the sheetrock. When I read these pages—whether on physics, art, biography, or anything else—the inessential parts just sort of fade out and what remains are the lies. It is like they are already circled for me. Reductionists would say it is just an ability to sort data, refined over the years by collating massive amounts of both truth and lies—and having a strong sense of how each looks in the complex patterns of language. There may be more to it than that, but whatever the mechanism or inspiration, it is as strange to me as it is to you.