So far all the contaminated meat is coming from Ireland, France and Poland. Why not just use British beef? It's governed by some of the strictest standards in the world, and at least you know the animal's name wasn't originally Mr. Fluffykins.

This outcry is like "I wanted to buy some silver bars, but the damn fools gave me platinum and said since it was their mistake I could keep it. I'm so angry I'm getting a superior product for less than market price."

This outcry is like "I wanted to buy some silver bars, but the damn fools gave me platinum and said since it was their mistake I could keep it. I'm so angry I'm getting a superior product for less than market price."

I said the same about dogmeat when I was in Asia but people just don't listen!At least it's not corn fattened, sedentary, hormone jacked feed lot product.

Spiralmonkey:So far all the contaminated meat is coming from Ireland, France and Poland. Why not just use British beef? It's governed by some of the strictest standards in the world, and at least you know the animal's name wasn't originally Mr. Fluffykins.

Because British beef has been bred back on itself several times until the population developed a large incidence of MADNESS. much like the aristocracy, in fact.

JasonOfOrillia:Spiralmonkey: So far all the contaminated meat is coming from Ireland, France and Poland. Why not just use British beef? It's governed by some of the strictest standards in the world, and at least you know the animal's name wasn't originally Mr. Fluffykins.

Because British beef has been bred back on itself several times until the population developed a large incidence of MADNESS. much like the aristocracy, in fact.

MaudlinMutantMollusk:JasonOfOrillia: Spiralmonkey: So far all the contaminated meat is coming from Ireland, France and Poland. Why not just use British beef? It's governed by some of the strictest standards in the world, and at least you know the animal's name wasn't originally Mr. Fluffykins.

Because British beef has been bred back on itself several times until the population developed a large incidence of MADNESS. much like the aristocracy, in fact.

This outcry is like "I wanted to buy some silver bars, but the damn fools gave me platinum and said since it was their mistake I could keep it. I'm so angry I'm getting a superior product for less than market price."

Besides the fact that people aren't getting what they thought they were getting and may not want to eat horse, there is also this.

However, the FSA has ordered Findus to test the lasagne for the veterinary drug phenylbutazone, or 'bute'."Animals treated with phenylbutazone are not allowed to enter the food chain as [the drug] may pose a risk to human health.

So right now it is unclear if the horses used were bred to be eaten by humans or not.

wow a Mash joke, nice one grandpa. Wonder how many people here actually know who that is. You mine as well throw up some Monica jokes are well, hell throw up all of Jay Lenos 1990's routine which is basically a recent episode.

This outcry is like "I wanted to buy some silver bars, but the damn fools gave me platinum and said since it was their mistake I could keep it. I'm so angry I'm getting a superior product for less than market price."

I said the same about dogmeat when I was in Asia but people just don't listen!At least it's not corn fattened, sedentary, hormone jacked feed lot product.

Remember some years ago when they discovered a British recipe for lasagna that dated back to the 1300s?1390, to be precise. Naturally the discovery was blown out of proportion and became a claim that the British invented lasagna, when in fact Italian recipes for the basic layered pasta and cheese dish are even older, but if meat was put into these lasagna dishes, I wonder what kind it was?

Probably shredded goat, I imagine. Very few people could afford cattle or horses.

Goat is tasty, but like lamb, it tends to stick between my teeth, which is quite uncomfortable.

ongbok:So right now it is unclear if the horses used were bred to be eaten by humans or not.

Earlier stories have suggested that the horses were former race horses, with many of them having been given injections of steroids or other hormones. Some of those hormones have health implications to humans (too lazy to look it up).

This outcry is like "I wanted to buy some silver bars, but the damn fools gave me platinum and said since it was their mistake I could keep it. I'm so angry I'm getting a superior product for less than market price."

I said the same about dogmeat when I was in Asia but people just don't listen!At least it's not corn fattened, sedentary, hormone jacked feed lot product.

Dog is pretty tasty, never had horse though, or at least not knowingly.

wow a Mash joke, nice one grandpa. Wonder how many people here actually know who that is. You mine as well throw up some Monica jokes are well, hell throw up all of Jay Lenos 1990's routine which is basically a recent episode.

That's Sherman T. Potter and Sophie. It must not have been too obscure considering you knew what show it was. I'm barely 30 and I knew that.

wow a Mash joke, nice one grandpa. Wonder how many people here actually know who that is. You mine as well throw up some Monica jokes are well, hell throw up all of Jay Lenos 1990's routine which is basically a recent episode.

I thought it was funny and I enjoyed Harry Morgan on Dragnet too. Maybe I "mine as well" be watching Johnny Carson.

brantgoose:Remember some years ago when they discovered a British recipe for lasagna that dated back to the 1300s?1390, to be precise. Naturally the discovery was blown out of proportion and became a claim that the British invented lasagna, when in fact Italian recipes for the basic layered pasta and cheese dish are even older, but if meat was put into these lasagna dishes, I wonder what kind it was?

Probably shredded goat, I imagine. Very few people could afford cattle or horses.

Goat is tasty, but like lamb, it tends to stick between my teeth, which is quite uncomfortable.

I'd think either goat or mutton

/and somehow, the thought of mutton lasagne is making me a bit queasy//I think that would make Garfield gag

wow a Mash joke, nice one grandpa. Wonder how many people here actually know who that is. You mine as well throw up some Monica jokes are well, hell throw up all of Jay Lenos 1990's routine which is basically a recent episode.

wow a Mash joke, nice one grandpa. Wonder how many people here actually know who that is. You mine as well throw up some Monica jokes are well, hell throw up all of Jay Lenos 1990's routine which is basically a recent episode.

Do your parents know you're up this late sonny?

"Oooo, a reference to something that happened before I was a zygote. It must be some crap that old people know about and therefore stupid and musty."

I am so very glad that these people are going to be paying through the nose for my bypasses, hookers, and Viagra.

wow a Mash joke, nice one grandpa. Wonder how many people here actually know who that is. You mine as well throw up some Monica jokes are well, hell throw up all of Jay Lenos 1990's routine which is basically a recent episode.

yet somehow you recognized a long running syndicated sitcom pic. are you really so pathetic that everything in your life has to be state of the art cutting edge hot off the press no more than 5 minutes old? i think not. you're just a dooshbag.

thrgd456:If people have been eating horse meat for so long and couldn't tell the difference, then horse meat must taste pretty dang good, huh?

Is it unsanitary? no,

Is it unhealthy? no.

Is it tasty? apparently it is.

All this horsemeat stuff makes me think I want to try it.

I don't see any ethical distinction between eating horsemeat or eating beef, provided you know what you're getting. If you are buying a beef lasagne or beef patties, you kinda expect them to contain beef. Secondly, if you're having mystery meat the source of it may be a problem. Horses are sometimes treated with drugs that are toxic to humans. Indeed, if a horse was killed with an injection the poison could taint the meat. Here in New Zealand there was a case of horse flesh being fed to a pair of lions in a zoo and it killed them. This is why those pesky government officials like food inspectors are actually worthwhile.

We get all our meat from a local slaughterhouse/meat packers. You can watch the cows getting shoved off lorries into the building, then listen to the screams of bovine terror as they are 'processed', then meat!!!

I suppose a few horses could get mixed in by mistake, but it's unlikely, someone would probably notice.

Since real beef is fast approaching the price of gold, retail, it doesn't surprise me that processed beef products are being cut with anything cheaper they can find.

Ever since the beef shortage in the 70's, the cost of beef has steadily risen -- even though the shortage ended within about a year. Middle men and retailers discovered that folks would pay high prices for beef and never lowered the prices.

When folks tired of the cost, they switched to cheaper secondary meats, especially pork, which tripled in price nearly overnight. So did whole chicken. Fish, praised as a health food in the early 70's, had already risen to sky high prices.

Assorted fillers started being added to processed meats in the late 70's and early 80's. Like corn. Additional fat was left on also, even though the Big Cholesterol Plague was beginning. So, when you buy beef, they make sure to hide a fat pad on the bottom, which you'll cut off later, meaning you paid even more for that chunk of cow than you though.

By the 90's, the common way to buy chicken was in parts. However, the majority of the manufacturers inject the meat with sugar water or broth and started leaving much more unwanted hunks of fat on the pieces.

Buy 16 oz of chicken thighs and cut off 6 to 8 ounces of fat. Cook it and watch the portion sizes shrink as the water boils out.

And to think it all started with that beef shortage back in the 70's -- followed by the inevitable desire to make as much profit as possible by dealers.

Horse meat is actually cheaper wholesale, though assorted sellers jack the price up because it's leaner than beef and pork.

I'm aware of 'meat houses' selling cheap hamburger to the low income families that as a little beef in it, a lot of fillers like corn and bit of the occasionally freshly killed and butchered Opossum and Raccoon tossed in. The commonly used red meat dye covers a lot of sins though you might find a beef patty made from this stuff kind of tasting a bit odd.

Which is why so many families using these stores take advantage of their huge assortment of flavor enhancing and changing spices.

I've eaten boxed beef patties sold in Walmart that tasted so little like beef that I threw them out. I ingredients listed a whole lot of fillers.

I've also eaten off brand beef sausages that had enough added fat to them to make the pan swim in grease. Usually these things are heavily laced with liquid smoke flavoring and hot spices.

I used to suggest you visit a butcher store and buy better meats -- until I discovered that their products have risen to just a hair under the cost of gold. You nearly need to take out a loan to buy a steak.

I'd say look for more horsemeat in foods. There is a lobby pushing to make horses a food animal. You can buy it from farms, who don't need a retail license since they're not a commercial meat retailer.

I'm considering buying a cow, raising it on a friends farm, having him butcher it for me -- where as part payment he'll take the hide, some of the long bones, tail and head. It'll still be a bit costly, but cheaper in the long run and my stand up freezer will be packed with beef.

thrgd456:If people have been eating horse meat for so long and couldn't tell the difference, then horse meat must taste pretty dang good, huh?

It does. As the last para of the BBC story suggests, the industry thinks of this largely as a labeling problem: if there's horse in there, it should say so on the label.

More seriously, there is a real safety concern. The drugs that beef cattle can be treated with are carefully controlled precisely because they can enter the food chain. There's no such control over what drugs may have been given to a horse, especially the kind of broken-down old horse likely to end up in Value Burgers.

brantgoose:Remember some years ago when they discovered a British recipe for lasagna that dated back to the 1300s?1390, to be precise. Naturally the discovery was blown out of proportion and became a claim that the British invented lasagna, when in fact Italian recipes for the basic layered pasta and cheese dish are even older, but if meat was put into these lasagna dishes, I wonder what kind it was?

Probably shredded goat, I imagine. Very few people could afford cattle or horses.

Goat is tasty, but like lamb, it tends to stick between my teeth, which is quite uncomfortable.

Probably depended on the time of year and what the farmer was raising. Lamb or mutton, probably. The cow (ox) was a work animal and only would have been slaughtered at the end of its working life.

The problem is that Europeans are lulled into complacency because they have "rules" against hormones in meat. But the Czech mafia supplies farmers all across Europe with illegal hormones, always careful to stay one step ahead of the testers ala Lance Armstrong. So basically if they've been getting away with swapping one animal for another without the testers noticing, how much faith does anyone have that the testers will ever keep up with animal doping?