Derrick Jensen, so far has been one of the males that support radical feminism that has not turned out to be a complete horror show (yet). I hope that he can contain his male socialization and continue to be a supporter of women and their rights.

Best quote from the article though:

“I listened to the voice of someone who identifies as a transgender who teaches at a university, god help us all, as this person admitted to never hever having read any of my work, but thought I should not be allowed to speak in public because I refused to say the words “Transwomen are women.”. I listened to their voices. And you know what? They sounded just like any other males in patriarchy who have had women say no to them.”

The piece is jam-packed with stupid, so we’ll just hit the highlights here and dissect the inanity RPOJ style. :) Check out the original post here.

“Let’s get the most obvious out of the way first: TERFs are about as feminist as Jim Davidson. They’re also very comfortable with forming political alliances with conservative men, and indeed prefer to date conservative men as they have more in common with them politically.”

Can you see the fallacy here? I know I sure can. Rhymes with Fad Pomulem. Oh those dastardly radical feminists how could they even consider dating conservative men?!?!? Sounds like some serious shaming going on by ‘liberal feminist’ (NB: Shaming is what lib-fems do to shut people up when their faux-empowerment is shown to be a lie within the context of society: prostitution for example has been shown irrefutably to harm women, naming this problem for women as class angers the choosy-choice feminists to no end, as it illustrates that choices offered within a patriarchal context are quite the opposite of empowering) The irony along with the crappy argumentation is quite thick already.

Which talking points exactly are you referring to? You don’t bother to mention it, so I guess we’ll have to take your word about radical feminists parroting patriarchal talking points. *rollseyes* Those radfems talk about how men should own up and take responsibility for their shitty behaviour – nothing but patriarchal talking points after all…

“Then we have the media transmisogynists like to pretend that trans women pose a problem for reproductive rights activism, which is a deliberately disingenuous misrepresentation of the fairly uncontroversial demand that when we talk about reproductive organs and human bodies, we’re gender-neutral about it, because that’s more precise. “

Read this fucking paragraph twice. First, the claim that ‘the media’ is transmisogynistic? Really? Transactivism is the new misogyny and finds near universal support in the mainstream media as it is not a threat to male power, or male preeminence in society. Transactivism is patriarchally approved, through and through and is treated a such.

Let’s look at the next nugget of wisdom. Trans identified Males (TiM’s) do not pose a problem to reproductive rights activism. Quite frankly, TiM’s don’t give a shit about reproductive rights activism because it doesn’t involve them because men (*trigger alert for those who don’t ‘do’ biological facts*) can’t get pregnant.

What I have seen the trans-activists push for is the removal of the mention of females regarding their biological processes – “Chestfeeding” “Birth Parent” and other female erasing poppy-cock.

So if your activism is includes erasing females and their biological processes from the public sphere it goddamn well is ‘a problem’ for reproductive rights activism.

Uncontroversial demands? That we separate the idea that reproductive organs (which generally determine biological sex) from the sex that they are associated from? How can disassociating male – has penis, and female – has vagina be fucking uncontroversial. The last time I checked I didn’t see any free floating vagina’s hanging around with a without a person of the matching biological sex attached to it.

You can fuck right off with your free form facts and redefintions of material reality. Your ideology is bunk, and you do not get to take me with you on your baseless twisted flights of fancy.

“It simply isn’t true that trans women are a block to reproductive rights. In fact, they’re doing more than any media transphobe ever has.”

Men are a barrier to reproductive rights. Whether or not they happen to believe they are women is irrelevant.

“How do we know this? One of the places to look is Ireland, where there is a huge struggle for access to abortion. I follow this activism keenly, and do what I can to support and boost their work,”

Handmaiden status achieved! You are so much closer to being regarded as fully human, just keep on supporting men and putting down females fighting for liberation from patriarchy – you will be granted human status soon…really soon, just around the corner…

” so I’m aware that there are a lot of trans women deeply involved in this crucial action. I’ve met many Irish trans feminists who participate in reproductive freedom work. And likewise, Irish feminists don’t want these UK TERFs anywhere near their work, having recently produced a widely-signed open letter telling TERFs exactly where to fuck off to.”

Yep, because chastising females for daring to speak against legislation that has negative effects on them is a completely feminist thing to do. Telling women to ‘fuck off’ and shut-up about their problems just resonates with empowerful female affirming action. Yeah, no.

“If you actually care about reproductive rights, you’d know this, and that’s how it becomes abundantly clear that your transmisogynistic bigots are simply using abortion access as a dogwhistle for “women are defined by reproductive organs and only that.”

Wow. It’s so nice to see the trans-rhetoric so powerfully restated with all relevant distortions intact. Radical feminists are not arguing that women are just vaginas, they are saying that the female class of people that happen to have vaginas are oppressed by patriarchal society *because* they possess these organs. One of the main axis of oppression for females in society is their biological sex. Funny how intersectionality when properly used never comes up when dealing with transactivist crowd.

“To me, feminism is always and has always involved liberating women from our biology. A refusal to define us by whether or not we can bear children. I’ve written before about how this biological essentialism promulgated by transmisogynistic bigot feminists is identical to that promulgated by misogynists. I’ve also defined my stance as pro-trans and pro-choice.”

Nice. Liberating does not mean erasing female biology from the public sphere. Acknowledging that biological sex is real and is a foundational source of oppression for women might be a start.

“But I want to say it once more, loudly, for the people at the back: trans rights and reproductive rights are intimately linked. You cannot have one without the other. It all boils down to bodily autonomy.”

Reproductive rights and right to self identify are not linked in any way. Females should have the right to determine what is best for themselves in terms of their reproductive choices. How the male ‘right’ to call themselves something they are not – even if they really really really really …really… feel it – isn’t even in the same fucking ballpark. It’s quite insulting to equate one of the most important struggles for female liberation with the insipidly desultory gender ‘self-identifications’ of men.

“Our struggles are the same, and scratch a transmisogynist, and it’ll bleed womb-botherer in the end. Don’t let them win, and let’s continue to stand shoulder to shoulder against these attacks.”

Just shaking my head. This is what happens when you let men centre themselves in feminism. This is why Feminism needs to centre females in their struggles to gain liberation in society, because once men get in, it becomes all about men and their problems.

Standing shoulder to shoulder with your oppressors! FML. This shambolic, inclusivity laced, Orwellian bafflegab that is masquerading as feminism needs to stop.

“overall trans activism seems tie into a massive program of social engineering for a post-truth male supremacist society in the face of increased female empowerment (real empowerment) and feminist consciousness. so erasing the public knowledge and acknowledgment of biological sex is a serious goal.”

Oh the arguments I’ve had. Even with people who know and recognize that science and the world of material fact is a thing -once you mention that biological sex is a fact- seem to embrace as much po-mo bullshittery as necessary to unsuccessfully defend the notion that men, if they *feel* hard enough, can be women. *facepalm*

So no, I will not subscribe to the social historical revisionism that transactivism is based on. The inherent misogyny and homophobia involved with the current platform should make it untenable to any who spend the time to look at what TAism is actually about.

Wow. You go to Banff for a choral workshop for one weekend and it seems like ‘all the news’ happens while you are away. Meghan Murphy has been busy on the Feminist Current detailing the latest assault on Feminism led by – completely shocked here – Transactivists (read Male Rights Activists). Munroe Bergdorf, the latest dude who thinks its his god-given role to tell females how to act and speak – demonstrates how to incorrectly use feminist terminology on a veritable bevy of levels.

I cannot stress this enough – intersectionality – is the idea that oppression can (and most often does) occur along multiple axis. What dudes in skirts and their handmaidens always conveniently forget is that one of the major axis of oppression is biological sex (you know, that thing you can’t change even if you try super real hard). Females are oppressed because they are born with the female reproductive anatomy the marks them as the sex class, and thus second class human beings. Not acknowledging this basic and grim feature of our society tends to make one’s analysis shit (see most of ‘queer’ theory) .

Anyhow, here is the juicy bits from the FC article and a nice comment from the comment section as the actual feminists were schooling a dude on what feminism is and how basic biology works.

“Trans model and recently appointed member of the LGBT+ advisory board for the Labour Party, Munroe Bergdorf, recently demonstrated his allegiance to New Feminism by demanding those formerly known as women stop talking about our bodies at our feminist marches, lest we alienate mankind by acknowledging the fact that all of mankind comes out of our vaginas (also by advocating empowerment through cutting up your face in order to appear more feminine and buying makeup).

“I also want to stress that if you do attend, it is CRUICIAL that you do with an INTERSECTIONAL mindset. Centering reproductive systems at the heart of these demonstrations is reductive and exclusionary.

— Munroe Bergdorf 🌹🌹 (@MunroeBergdorf) January 20, 2018}

Today, he has further demonstrated his generosity towards ex-women, gifting us his feminist leadership via an article for Grazia about how the vagina’d are getting vagina all over his feminism.

“Feminism: the advocacy of women’s rights based on the equality of the sexes. A simple enough concept, right? Wrong!”, Bergdorf writes. “This is 2018 and if the past two years have taught us anything, it’s that feminism isn’t for women, it’s for everyone except women, and it’s particularly not for women who have human female bodies, which came out of the box defective, full of holes and with missing parts.” Perhaps not a direct quote, but my ovaries are really a pair of extra eyes that allow me to read between the lines. Neat!

Bergdorf goes on to explain that “woman” no longer means anything, and that no one really knows what one is anymore; maybe it is your mom, but also maybe it is that old banana you bought thinking maybe you would start eating fruit in the New Year but that now has become a part of the basket on top of your microwave.

It is specifically because “woman” is now everything from an old banana to the collection of hair behind your bathroom door, and also possibly your mom, though we will never know for certain, that feminism must serve as an inclusive tool of liberation for all old bananas and other feminine-type experiences (that means you, no-elastic leopard print thong from 2005!), not just some (#notallwomensavealltheir2005leopardprintthongs). “This is where so many women are still getting it wrong,” Bergdorf explains.

Lest you get stuck here, wondering, “If an old banana can be a woman, why can’t I, with my woolen pink vagina that also has cat ears?”, Bergdorf would like you to know that that the hot pink vagina that allows babies to emerge from your skull drives woman-types things apart. Our attempt at uniting females failed, he argues, explicitly because we acknowledged females share something in common, causing them to be an oppressed class of people under patriarchy. It’s impossible to know what the thing we share in common that leads us to be oppressed is, of course, but it’s probably the fact that men hate old bananas, don’t have hair collections behind their bathroom doors, and hardly ever give birth via pink cat ear hats.”

Thank you, the ever facetious Meghan Murphy… :) Now to the nice comment I found. Mind the argument from authority though…

The pull quote I like is this: “Trans ideology is castles in the sand, abusive nonsense that is ushering in totalitarianism and doublethink into our world. It is based on [a] conflation of sex and gender in the English language, and deep-seated misogyny and homophobia.”

I’m so very lucky to have such a sharp feminist commentariate here at DWR (thanks for leaving this comment, Meg). Along with the informative nuanced discussion, gems like this crop up and are too good not be shared. Can I get a ‘society doesn’t give two shits about your special gender feels’ for $200, Alex?

Let’s get this straight. This isn’t about hating on or disparaging individual trans people, it never has been. My contention, since I was first exposed to trans ideology and transactivsm (aka MRA activism) has been this – other people’s subjective beliefs do not/should not dictate my reality. I’ve been an atheist, since forever, and brook no shit when it comes to religious claims about religious interpretations of reality and how society should be. If you keep your theological mumbo-jumbo and bullshit practices to yourself and don’t impose them on others then things are great – you have ALL of my blessings to freely waste your own life as you see fit. If praying to invisible sky-fairies and following the ‘bestest’ 2000 year old wisdom from the high moral vanguard of the sheep-herding class is your ‘jam’…

Knock yourself out.

The instant you think that I should get behind your bronze age fuckwagon of stupid ideas – then we have a problem. Your sincere religious beliefs and identity have exactly fuck-all to do with material factual reality and thus precisely zero to do with how I should view the world.

The claims of transactivists – that feelings transcend observable reality (generally speaking) – are in the exact same category of the religious who believe in omnipotent skyfairies. If you think you can change your biological sex by adopting the patriarchal toxic gender stereotypes that are currently (have been for thousands of years) oppressing women in our society then again, my answer is easy.

Knock yourself out.

The instant you think I (or any feminist worth their salt) should give any weight to your subjectively personal gender fuckwagon of stupid contradictory ideas – then we have a problem.

There is nothing wrong in disagreeing with ideas and ideology that are at odds with reality. If your ideology doesn’t hold up under criticism, then the problem is with your ideology, not the people pointing out the (obvious) flaws in it.

The quote that follows illustrates precisely the reality transactivists refuse to acknowledge. The treatment they receive in society is but a pale shade of the fucking standard plate of shit that females get in society. If they were actually women they would be told (and socialized from birth) to sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up – like women (adult human females) are every day.

“These are but a few of many examples of all the ways people prove through their behavior that they don’t actually believe what they’re saying. They just don’t. They can say they believe “transwomen are women” but they don’t treat transwomen as actual women. Don’t you see? If transwomen were actually women, then the problems of transwomen would be treated with the same hum-drum response as any other woman’s issue. It wouldn’t be forced in everyone’s face, demanding the highest visibility and everyone’s immediate attention. No, that’s how men’s issues are treated. That’s how disadvantaged men are treated. That’s how men are prioritized over women, each and every time.

So sure, you can sit around and argue with them until you’re both blue in the face, but remember who you’re arguing with. You’re not arguing with people who actually believe their own assertions. You’re arguing with people who are baffling you with bullshit, even if they aren’t consciously aware that’s what they’re doing.”

Need more evidence? Take a peek at the state of female reproductive rights in your corner of the world and observe carefully how short a shrift is given to actual female problems.

Yep. Another casuality that can be directly attributed to transactivism (also Patriarchy 2.0). This is what happens when women won’t go along with male delusion and commit the blasphemous crime of speaking in a particular way: with facts that are congruent with observable, material, reality. I hope Vonny and Glosswitch return to twitter, we are in such desperate need of strong female leadership against this latest incarnation of patriarchy.

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