Huge anti-gay marriage protest in France

Originally posted by DarwinVsJesus
some of you really suck. The reason gay rights is so important, the reason you're a #ing monster if you think it's okay to call homosexuals
"disgusting" and prohibit them from having the same legal rights as a straight couple (including benefits; health insurance, taxes, et cetera)
you're a #ing fascist. Period.

How dare you sit there like a goddamn bigot and demand that they have less rights than everyone else? what the # is wrong with you?

What's the matter with this country? I'm heartbroken by what I am reading by many of you.

I've never had a gay family member, or a gay friend, and I don't talk about the issue publicly so people notice.
I do this because I believe it's wrong to deny human beings their basic rights.

as long as this attitude is alive there is no salvation.

Personally, I never said how I feel on it,or mentioned rights...I only pointed out that the issue gets more attention than it should when there are
far more pressing matters which concern you directly.This one does not...and is why I suggest it is more ego than your passion in human rights.

Personally, I never said how I feel on it,or mentioned rights...I only pointed out that the issue gets more attention than it should when there are
far more pressing matters which concern you directly.This one does not...and is why I suggest it is more ego than your passion in human rights.

With things moving ahead in this matter on the equality of human rights front it seems to be getting more attention than it deserves from the Anti-
equality side in particular. What do you suggest drives their passion?

I live in France, and these protests, while fairly large, do not represent the views of the french community as a whole.

BVA, which is one of the main polling institutions in France says that the situation has been stable for the past six months : 58 % of french people
support gay mariage.

These protests are actually a mish-mash of various miscontents, that have been instrumentalized by the right and far-right in an effort to put
pressure on the current socialist governement. Gay right protests are simply the polarization of these political tensions.

I personally approve gay marriage, and gay adoption. I fail to see how two loving gay parents could damage a child more than say a straight wife
beater father, a straight drug addict mother, a straight couple of religious extremists, or even in fact, a straight single parent.

Gay marriage isn't about what we believe as people, it's about what kind of society we live in. Do we want live in a society of individual rights
and freedoms, where everyone has the same rights and freedoms, or do we want to live in a society where people are discriminated against based on
their sexual orientation, and in consequence deprived of the same rights as everyone else.

I've made my choice, and the bigots have made theirs. Fifty years ago, the same kind of people were protesting "inter-racial" marriage, and
predicting how society would collapse if ever it happened. It did, were still here, nothing to worry about.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
Marriage isn't some kind of natural law, its a human construct. I mean can't people just be happy to be in love with each other , without the
sanction of government and religion.

Most people I know who got married did it because it was what the girlfriend wanted. Her big day that she'd probably been planning since childhood.
They cost a small fortune, which would be better invested in the off springs future.

Each to their own I guess.

This is true but there are also a lot of financial and insurance issues with not having the option of getting married. That is where the injustice
lies in my opinion.

The appropriate question would be "should I be forced to give my approval--via "State subsidy, protection, and seal of approval" for the production
and sale of cigars-- without at least getting a vote in the matter?

What does personal approval or personal views have to do with equality under the law?

Everyone has the equal right to marry someone of the opposite sex.

And both society in-general and the major religions of the world have means of offering their approval/sanction via recognition of marriage as the
best way to raise a family for the benefit of the children and the State. There is no family purpose in homosexual "marriage'. By definition,
children can not be produced by such a union..Such a marriage is a sham produced to engender acceptance of behavior generally regarded as
inappropriate, criminal, or simply disgusting to the majority of the population.

So is it safe to say that you are against marriage where one half of the couple is sterile? No children can be born of that relationship either.

There are many heterosexual people who participate in sexual acts that are being criticized and condemned as being homosexual acts.

Homosexuals are capable of procreation outside of a same-sex union.

I can not think of one person that I personally know under the age of 30(ish) who is against homosexuality or same-sex marriage. In my experience it
seems like older generations are reluctant to progress as an all-inclusive society. The people I know who are against homosexuality are very
religious and use the Bible and church as a vehicle and source of their beliefs against same-sex unions, married or not.

The younger generation (20-ish and teens) are not only more accepting, but I personally have been surprised by how many have revealed that they have
experienced sex with someone of the same gender and in some cases continue to do so from time to time without beating themselves up about it or
feeling like they have done something wrong. And I can include myself in the group.

Personally, I think sexual practices should be taken out of the equation when discussing the right for homosexuals to marry, because I believe the
argument has more to do with legal rights and benefits than the romanticized act of walking down the aisle followed by a party and reception, etc.

Your Almighty can perform all sorts of miraculous feats, including gender change if that be Her will. So then we should have no hesitation granting
those civil rights to same-sex couples. She could alter their gender and give them fertility, or not, according to Her will. Spendid! Then all can be
happy and just place their trust in the Lord. Satisfied now?

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
Marriage isn't some kind of natural law, its a human construct. I mean can't people just be happy to be in love with each other , without the
sanction of government and religion.

Most people I know who got married did it because it was what the girlfriend wanted. Her big day that she'd probably been planning since childhood.
They cost a small fortune, which would be better invested in the off springs future.

Each to their own I guess.

This is true but there are also a lot of financial and insurance issues with not having the option of getting married. That is where the injustice
lies in my opinion.

Then look to the financial and insurance industries for the inequities. That's who decides what you deserve and what you do not.

And if all else fails, for god's sake incorporate and set your own bylaws to give your little operation all the financial and insurance bennies you
desire. Write up powers of attorney. Stop sounding like little children fighting over who got the biggest piece of cake.

Then look to the financial and insurance industries for the inequities. That's who decides what you deserve and what you do not.

And if all else fails, for god's sake incorporate and set your own bylaws to give your little operation all the financial and insurance bennies you
desire. Write up powers of attorney. Stop sounding like little children fighting over who got the biggest piece of cake.

Or just pay 5 bucks for a marriage license and be done with it. There, settled.

Then look to the financial and insurance industries for the inequities. That's who decides what you deserve and what you do not.

And if all else fails, for god's sake incorporate and set your own bylaws to give your little operation all the financial and insurance bennies you
desire. Write up powers of attorney. Stop sounding like little children fighting over who got the biggest piece of cake.

Or just pay 5 bucks for a marriage license and be done with it. There, settled.

License being the key word, or in other words permission to do that which would otherwise be illegal.

A marriage license sets up a relationship involving three parties with the third partner (government) being the dominant one. Anyone, gay or straight,
who falls for that is a fool.

If your corporation fails you simply dissolve it, in a marriage you must have permission to end the relationship from that third partner and you must
pay him again for the "privilege" of separation.

Your Almighty can perform all sorts of miraculous feats, including gender change if that be Her will. So then we should have no hesitation granting
those civil rights to same-sex couples. She could alter their gender and give them fertility, or not, according to Her will. Spendid! Then all can be
happy and just place their trust in the Lord. Satisfied now?

edit on 28-5-2013 by Erongaricuaro because: (no reason given)

Neither should we have any hesitation to allow a 60 year old to marry a 10 year old, for God could easily change their ages, if he so wished, to make
them more compatible in age.God can grant the young wisdom and knowledge to make them intellectually suitable. God can do many things, it is true.

But, he hasn't. He has set a particular order in place, and rules to follow, according to the order he has set.

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