ok this my last post in this as i feel less inteligent talking with some of you.maybe because its your first time looking at this from the other side i dont know.

what president Trump was saying is No way airplane cut thru thik solid steel without help from explosives. airplane is basically a tin can wings are like toothpic to strength and size of this building but u even see cartoonish wing tips cutting thru that thik steel.

You want physics lets talk physics, If a airplane nose dives into ocean do you think it will cut thru the surface tension and go underwater or is it going to break up into million pieces on the surface then go down????

Also some people Here keep talking ,if you bring jet fuel direct it thru blow torch at one spot for hours will make steel little soft hahaha thats not what happend in real life. It only took seconds for that jet fuel to consume its self that day.... there was even liquid steel running down how that happen?

i dont want to waste my time trying to explain i even think this keyboard typing is gay.

One more point - there was a plane crash in Colorado Springs in the early 1990's, IIRC. The plane did a nose-dive almost straight into the ground, but at a much lower altitude and speed that the jet on 9/11.

"Firefighters and volunteers surveyed the eerie, incongruous site. The wreckage, like so many shreds of blackened paper, was strewn about singed grass near bare oak and elm trees, in the jagged shadow of the snow-topped Rocky Mountains. Purses and suitcases that looked as if they had hardly been touched mingled with airplane parts burned almost beyond recognition.

"We can't even find a chair," said El Paso County Sheriff Bernie Barry. "There's not a great deal of that airplane left."

It's irrelevant whether or not you understand or believe the science behind why the towers collapsed.

The fact is, large groups of people cannot keep secrets for long. If the governement ordered bombs planted we'd know by now. It would take a few people to order this and carry it out. More than just a conspiracy theorists paranoia required for me to believe. Just one person to come forward with actual information to back up the wild theories would be good.

One more point - there was a plane crash in Colorado Springs in the early 1990's, IIRC. The plane did a nose-dive almost straight into the ground, but at a much lower altitude and speed that the jet on 9/11.

"Firefighters and volunteers surveyed the eerie, incongruous site. The wreckage, like so many shreds of blackened paper, was strewn about singed grass near bare oak and elm trees, in the jagged shadow of the snow-topped Rocky Mountains. Purses and suitcases that looked as if they had hardly been touched mingled with airplane parts burned almost beyond recognition.

"We can't even find a chair," said El Paso County Sheriff Bernie Barry. "There's not a great deal of that airplane left."

I think the OP was saying that if Trump clears the way for US citizens to sue Saudi Arabia in US courts, then during the trial the "real" truth will come out, as Saudi Arabia defends itself.

Because everyone knows that people from Saudi Arabia had nothing to do with 9/11. In fact, all Saudis promote peace across the globe, and have a utopian society where everyone is equal, and wealth is shared.

hate to say it, but while I agree with you SA is a despotic s-hole of a country, I simply do not trust the motives of the Cheeto in Command

"President-elect Donald Trump registered eight companies during his presidential campaign that appear to be tied to hotel interests in Saudi Arabia, according to a report in The Washington Post"

During a rally on August 21, the day Trump created four of those companies, he said he gets along well with Saudi Arabia.

"They buy apartments from me," Trump said during the Alabama rally. "They spend $40 million, $50 million. Am I supposed to dislike them? I like them very much.”

In January of this year, Trump said on Fox News he "would want to protect Saudi Arabia.

ok this my last post in this as i feel less inteligent talking with some of you.maybe because its your first time looking at this from the other side i dont know.

what president Trump was saying is No way airplane cut thru thik solid steel without help from explosives. airplane is basically a tin can wings are like toothpic to strength and size of this building but u even see cartoonish wing tips cutting thru that thik steel.

You want physics lets talk physics, If a airplane nose dives into ocean do you think it will cut thru the surface tension and go underwater or is it going to break up into million pieces on the surface then go down????

Also some people Here keep talking ,if you bring jet fuel direct it thru blow torch at one spot for hours will make steel little soft hahaha thats not what happend in real life. It only took seconds for that jet fuel to consume its self that day.... there was even liquid steel running down how that happen?

i dont want to waste my time trying to explain i even think this keyboard typing is gay.

Trumps comment when interviewed several years ago in that film was ambiguous. (In this context, that means, it could be interpreted in different ways) So in the event he was in fact saying what you think he was saying; what does that mean? Does Trump have an engineering degree? How about a basic understand of applied physics? In all his years of being the financier of many high rise buildings, do you imagine at any given time prior to 9/11 he said, "we need to design these buildings to be able to withstand an impact from a loaded 747." ? How many engineering classes prior to 9/11 EVER tested, even within a computer model, the effects of a 747 crashing into a high rise building at full throttle?

In case you're wondering what the correct answers are: Nothing, it is a layman's opinion, No, No, No and likely none.

Nothing but basic physics is needed to debunk these conspiracy theories, but when you couple in what Alex440 posted, this conspiracy is dead in the water. The sheer number of people who needed to be involved would not allow it. Too many people in too many social economic brackets would need to be involved for this to ever stay quiet. Someone willing to get a pay day would have squeaked by now. Too many investigators involved to not show some anomalies or holes in the official report. Instead, what we have are MANY uninvolved, real world physics experts and engineers confirming that not only were the buildings collapsing plausible outcome in those conditions, but the collapses were more than probable.

In regards to a plane crashing into the ground you are saying there should be more plane. One the other hand, you think the building is too strong to have the "cartoon shaped hole" at the entry. At some point you have to believe something caused that cartoon shaped hole in the side of the building. Do you believe it was controlled demolition essentially cutting a plane shaped hole in the building? Do you think the planes were computer generated while being aired live over the TV networks? Do you believe the plane was fitted with some Marvel based comic laser that cut out the hole milliseconds before impact? If not the 500,000 pounds of a fully loaded 747 jet traveling at 400+ MPH, what was it?

With the plane hitting the ground in PA, how many prior plane crashes occur where the pilot is actively TRYING to crash the plane? Every other plane crash prior to that one likely had the pilot trying to do everything within his power to bring the plane in a easy as possible. Do you think there might be some type of different debris field between a plane crashing at 175 mph with the nose up and 550mph with the nose down? Also, which do you think is going to create more resistance for a crashing plane; a man made building several hundred feet above the ground or .... the earth? I'm going to go with the Earth as the correct answer. Here is another physics lesson to further this point.

In the prior example i listed where 100 pounds falling (under the power of gravity alone) from a height of 4 feet will impact with the weight of 20,000 pounds. Well, the stopping distance for that impact equation was set at 1/4". If you make that same 100 pounds falling from 4" stop in half the distance, the impact weight is doubled to 40,000 pounds. For perspective, flight 93 hit the ground with an estimated impact weight of.... wait for it.... 2,147,483,647 pounds or 20,567,551 tons. With the Earth weighing in around 6,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000 kilograms, which do you think will have a more significant impact on the other?

Conversely, do you suppose a plane traveling at speed, impacting a high rise building with 2,147,483,647 pounds of force might possibly inflict more damage on the man made building than the building would on the plane? Bear in mind that while the WHOLE building weighed in at 500,000 tons, the section the plane impacted would have likely only weighed in the neighborhood of 400,000 pounds at best.

Ever see the cartoon shaped hole a bullet leaves in phone book? The weight of the phone book dwarfs the bullets weight, but the bullet wins in destroying the phone book.

Here is something visually enlighten since you like youtube videos. Feel free to watch the entire video, but start at 3:20 to see in super slow motion what a relatively light plate of steal does to an entire car (let alone the concrete backstop) when you introduce speed. BTW, this rocket sled was traveling at about the same speed (or lower) as the jets were when they crashed into the WTC and the field in PA. Be sure to take note on how the rear bumper of the car wasn't pressed into the concrete until the impact had reached the mid point of the car. The effect created by structors colliding at this speed is difficult to comprehend. The majority of the car was essentially vaporized into tiny bits of metal in the same way the 9/11 flights were on impact.

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ok this my last post in this as i feel less inteligent talking with some of you.maybe because its your first time looking at this from the other side i dont know.

what president Trump was saying is No way airplane cut thru thik solid steel without help from explosives. airplane is basically a tin can wings are like toothpic to strength and size of this building but u even see cartoonish wing tips cutting thru that thik steel.

You want physics lets talk physics, If a airplane nose dives into ocean do you think it will cut thru the surface tension and go underwater or is it going to break up into million pieces on the surface then go down????

Also some people Here keep talking ,if you bring jet fuel direct it thru blow torch at one spot for hours will make steel little soft hahaha thats not what happend in real life. It only took seconds for that jet fuel to consume its self that day.... there was even liquid steel running down how that happen?

i dont want to waste my time trying to explain i even think this keyboard typing is gay.

It would take more time to burn off that fuel in my opinion, the liquid does not burn, rather the vapor. There was a lot of liquid, its kept in the wings and you did not see wings coming out of the other side of the building nor raw fuel, so it mostly remained inside. If you add aluminum to a fire it burns really hot, what I don't know is if it needs to be particulate to add all that heat, in this case I bet not.

Aluminum can punch through hard items given the velocity it was going, its like the piece of straw punching through a board in a tornado. We (US) had a fighter plane that cut through a ski gondola cable in Italy a number of years ago. The aluminum wing cut through the steel cable. I believe the plane landed after the incident. I would have to look it up to be certain but for sure it cut the cable, and sadly a bunch of people in the gondola died.

Trumps comment when interviewed several years ago in that film was ambiguous. (In this context, that means, it could be interpreted in different ways) So in the event he was in fact saying what you think he was saying; what does that mean? Does Trump have an engineering degree? How about a basic understand of applied physics? In all his years of being the financier of many high rise buildings, do you imagine at any given time prior to 9/11 he said, "we need to design these buildings to be able to withstand an impact from a loaded 747." ? How many engineering classes prior to 9/11 EVER tested, even within a computer model, the effects of a 747 crashing into a high rise building at full throttle?

In case you're wondering what the correct answers are: Nothing, it is a layman's opinion, No, No, No and likely none.

Nothing but basic physics is needed to debunk these conspiracy theories, but when you couple in what Alex440 posted, this conspiracy is dead in the water. The sheer number of people who needed to be involved would not allow it. Too many people in too many social economic brackets would need to be involved for this to ever stay quiet. Someone willing to get a pay day would have squeaked by now. Too many investigators involved to not show some anomalies or holes in the official report. Instead, what we have are MANY uninvolved, real world physics experts and engineers confirming that not only were the buildings collapsing plausible outcome in those conditions, but the collapses were more than probable.

In regards to a plane crashing into the ground you are saying there should be more plane. One the other hand, you think the building is too strong to have the "cartoon shaped hole" at the entry. At some point you have to believe something caused that cartoon shaped hole in the side of the building. Do you believe it was controlled demolition essentially cutting a plane shaped hole in the building? Do you think the planes were computer generated while being aired live over the TV networks? Do you believe the plane was fitted with some Marvel based comic laser that cut out the hole milliseconds before impact? If not the 500,000 pounds of a fully loaded 747 jet traveling at 400+ MPH, what was it?

With the plane hitting the ground in PA, how many prior plane crashes occur where the pilot is actively TRYING to crash the plane? Every other plane crash prior to that one likely had the pilot trying to do everything within his power to bring the plane in a easy as possible. Do you think there might be some type of different debris field between a plane crashing at 175 mph with the nose up and 550mph with the nose down? Also, which do you think is going to create more resistance for a crashing plane; a man made building several hundred feet above the ground or .... the earth? I'm going to go with the Earth as the correct answer. Here is another physics lesson to further this point.

In the prior example i listed where 100 pounds falling (under the power of gravity alone) from a height of 4 feet will impact with the weight of 20,000 pounds. Well, the stopping distance for that impact equation was set at 1/4". If you make that same 100 pounds falling from 4" stop in half the distance, the impact weight is doubled to 40,000 pounds. For perspective, flight 93 hit the ground with an estimated impact weight of.... wait for it.... 2,147,483,647 pounds or 20,567,551 tons. With the Earth weighing in around 6,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000 kilograms, which do you think will have a more significant impact on the other?

Conversely, do you suppose a plane traveling at speed, impacting a high rise building with 2,147,483,647 pounds of force might possibly inflict more damage on the man made building than the building would on the plane? Bear in mind that while the WHOLE building weighed in at 500,000 tons, the section the plane impacted would have likely only weighed in the neighborhood of 400,000 pounds at best.

Ever see the cartoon shaped hole a bullet leaves in phone book? The weight of the phone book dwarfs the bullets weight, but the bullet wins in destroying the phone book.

Here is something visually enlighten since you like youtube videos. Feel free to watch the entire video, but start at 3:20 to see in super slow motion what a relatively light plate of steal does to an entire car (let alone the concrete backstop) when you introduce speed. BTW, this rocket sled was traveling at about the same speed (or lower) as the jets were when they crashed into the WTC and the field in PA. Be sure to take note on how the rear bumper of the car wasn't pressed into the concrete until the impact had reached the mid point of the car. The effect created by structors colliding at this speed is difficult to comprehend. The majority of the car was essentially vaporized into tiny bits of metal in the same way the 9/11 flights were on impact.

We might not be in an agreement on Trump, but I'll be the first penis chaser here to say I'll rather take it up in the ass than to argue with you on this.

Hmm, I'll edit that later.

I've build a house or two (and not the pick up colors way), but I'm not an engineer. I've also fixed up a few and every building has a weakness. Even the two story ones. The end result just is worse when you go up a few more feet.

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You're still a little new here, so I'll let you in on a little secret. Whenever Lups types gibberish, this is an opportunity for you to imagine it to be whatever you'd like it to be.

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How would you know this? Did mommy catch you jerking off to some Big Foot porn ?

ok this my last post in this as i feel less inteligent talking with some of you.maybe because its your first time looking at this from the other side i dont know.

what president Trump was saying is No way airplane cut thru thik solid steel without help from explosives. airplane is basically a tin can wings are like toothpic to strength and size of this building but u even see cartoonish wing tips cutting thru that thik steel.

You want physics lets talk physics, If a airplane nose dives into ocean do you think it will cut thru the surface tension and go underwater or is it going to break up into million pieces on the surface then go down????

Also some people Here keep talking ,if you bring jet fuel direct it thru blow torch at one spot for hours will make steel little soft hahaha thats not what happend in real life. It only took seconds for that jet fuel to consume its self that day.... there was even liquid steel running down how that happen?

i dont want to waste my time trying to explain i even think this keyboard typing is gay.

That may be the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read here. I know you think you're smarter than everyone else (what conspiracy theorist doesn't?) and can see through the "propaganda", but you're posts, ironically, tell a much different story. Not only do they make me feel dumber for having read them, but they're insulting to the memory of the people who lost their lives on 9/11.

Reading this post stirs a bevy of emotions. I'm not sure which particular one to grab hold of... lol

I suppose the proper first response (for now) is that i'm not a Trump fan.

Lol, I still track all the families our Christmas thing helped. The goats are breeding nicely!

It shows in your posts in this thread that you've done the labor. If most people would know just how much effort stabilizing a building demands, we wouldn't be stuck trying to understand what the op meant.

You and I, we can always be gay together Mr Tonka. I find limited options offensive and he was limiting my options, but I'm happy I got to support the minorities too with my post!

I can't understand how people like you and I can get along so easily, but we still can't fucking seriously GET ALONG! as a fucking planet. Hell, we need a new thread, the world government thread. 100 nominated gets in, then we need to get along, form groups, get it to work.

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You're still a little new here, so I'll let you in on a little secret. Whenever Lups types gibberish, this is an opportunity for you to imagine it to be whatever you'd like it to be.

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Originally Posted by Delta0311

How would you know this? Did mommy catch you jerking off to some Big Foot porn ?