Dr. Patti Taylor

Susan Crain Bakos

Dr. Patti talks to Susan Crain Bakos, renowned author and sex educator, about the Orgasm Loop, a simple, three part technique that women can learn in order to become orgasmic, while lovemaking, and, in a variety of other situations as well. Tested on over 500 women, this program has liberated many women into having longer, stronger orgasms. Some women have become orgasmic for the first time. Find out shocking statistics on how many women actually come from intercourse alone! Learn the value of coming every day, solo or with a partner. Find out some juicy lovemaking positions that support the practice of the Orgasm Loop, and learn why oral sex is naturally so ideal for this as well. Join with Dr. Patti and Susan as they reflect upon the value of being orgasmic, as a value that is precious for its own sake. Find out which women are most likely to learn the Orgasm Loop with the most ease. What barriers might exist? A gorgeous, informative show, with amazing information! Plus, you’ll learn about Susan’s really cool blog and other books, too! She’s an amazing writer with so much to say.

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Woman: This program is intended for mature audiences only.

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Dr. Patti Taylor: Welcome to the expanded love making show. I’m your host, Dr Patti Taylor of expandedlovemaking.com and I teach you how to make exquisite love. This is part one of a two part series. In part one we’ll be discussing The Orgasm Loop, the no fail technique for reaching orgasm during sex.

Women often have said that they would have more sex if they had more pleasure and let’s be honest, more orgasms during sex. Well that sounds fair enough. Our guest today has had great results teaching women how to become more orgasmic with her simple three part program, called The Orgasm Loop. So i want to introduce all my listeners to our amazing guest today, Susan Crain Bakos. Hi and welcome to the show, Susan.

Susan Crain Bakos: Hi, thank you for having me on the show. I’m a great fan of yours, I think you’ve done some wonderful work and certainly we’re both on the same track when it comes to orgasms right? We believe in them.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Oh yes, and I’m a great fan of yours and I can’t wait to tell my listeners about you. Thank you for your kind words.

So, anyway, Susan is a, an outspoken champion of female sexual empowerment and a great role model of mine. And she’s a prolific outspoken champion at that. She has written not only for any number of magazines ranging from cosmopolitan to ladies home journal to getting all the good women out there in the world to penthouse

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Dr. Patti Taylor: She has also been the author of fifteen books including four this year, so you’re getting the word out there. And you’re a ghost writer, which means she writes for other people. And so two of your best selling books are The Orgasm Loop, which we are talking about today, and the new tantra, Simple and Sexy, just to name a few. So we will give links later on. I just want to say, I am so happy to have you here with us today Susan.

Susan Crain Bakos: Oh we’re going to have fun, I know.

Dr. Patti Taylor: And so one thing I just love about you Susan is your central stand for expressing our core identities through our sexuality and so I will tell our listeners that with her extensive writings and sharing of her thoughts, she supports men and women everywhere to claim their sexuality at any stage in life.

So in todays show we will find a little bit more about what motivates Susan to share this information on The Orgasm Loop and how we can use this in intercourse as well as in masturbation, oral pleasure and more. So let’s get started. Susan what motivated you to write this book?

Susan Crain Bakos: Well, when I wrote for cosmopolitan in the late, cosmopolitan magazine in the late 1980’s and through the mid 90’s, the number one question Helen Gurley Brown was the editor, and the number one question that women had was “How can I have an orgasm during intercourse?”.

Ok, flash forward all these years and Kate White is the editor of Cosmo and she told me at a cocktail party a year or so ago that is still the number one question, “How can I have an orgasm during intercourse? “.

The fact that it’s been the number one question for women and that I answered it in the short form over and over and over again and the short form wasn’t good enough, we’ll need you to go into technique. And of course you know what the short answer is, how can you come during intercourse? Put your finger on your clit. While you’re thrusting. It’s that simple, give yourself clitoral stimulation. Put a finger down there and it’s that simple. I’ve even told women, you know, the flying V, where you put your first two fingers in the shape of a V pointing downward and you put that between your bodies so that you’re massaging your clit between, you know, your clit goes up high where your fingers come together and you’re pressing against his penis, so it feels like you’re playing with him. So if you’re shy, that’s the way to play with yourself. He thinks you’re playing with him and you’re really massaging your clit.

Women still didn’t want that answer, they still wanted the no touch, no hands intercourse orgasm, and that’s why I developed the loop. And when i started working on it I realised this is good, not just for women who want it for good reasons but also because it makes the orgasms you have stronger and longer, and more reliable, like you always have them. They’re not dependant on the whims of the moment kind of thing.

Dr. Patti Taylor: So, that’s amazing. I know you’re a sex researcher so before we go into the specifics which I absolutely plan to in some incredible detail. Can you just give us a few statistics on how many women do reach orgasm during intercourse?

Susan Crain Bakos: Only about 25% maybe it’s as high as 33%, there’s been varying statistics on that. But I believe Kemphy(sp?) put it at 25% and Sher High(sp?) put it at 25% and they actually did larger statistical studies than most people did. I think Masters and Johnson came down on the side of 33% but let’s be generous and say a third of women come during intercourse alone. I’m one of those lucky women who do, and my theory on this, which is the next thing I’m going to research. I say we know that the clitoris is more than the little pink organ that we see, its lots and lots of nerve endings that’s like a network of roots going down into your vagina. I think for some women, the network is probably longer so that intercourse stimulates those roots. That’s my guess.

Dr. Patti Taylor: We know, I, we have to do this maybe afterwards but i just read an article that said that the way your vaginal fat is structured inside of you, is that, I guess the clit is closer to the outside or the inside, you know it has something to do with the skin inside of you

Susan Crain Bakos: I think it might have to do with if we have innie or outie clitorises.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Right

Susan Crain Bakos: Some women have clitorises that really stand up.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Yeah, it’s how you’re built. It’s strictly a stroke of luck. And I also think it’s something else though because I’ll speak for myself that very often I’m one of those, maybe I will and maybe I won’t, sometimes I will have an orgasm during intercourse but I need to be very turned on first. So I think there’s a lot of women in that category, what do you think?

Susan Crain Bakos: There are a lot of women in that category. Yes. And that’s one way that you can cum during intercourse if you stimulate yourself to the point of coming so that almost any amount of friction there is going to make you cum, and then you can come that way.

Dr. Patti Taylor: so your O-Loop program probably will be great for...

Susan Crain Bakos: Everybody

Dr. Patti Taylor: Everybody

Susan Crain Bakos: For everybody but it was designed initially for the women who want to come during intercourse. But then i realised it makes everything better, it makes everything stronger and better.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Well you are my hero, and i think you’ll be a hero for a lot of women. I just, i looked through your book. I have to say i was blown away so lets just get, go right into it then. Can you tell us what is this Orgasm Loop program.

Susan Crain Bakos: Absolutely. It’s not, it’s not something you’re going to learn instantly. It takes a little bit of time but I don’t know anybody, I worked with 500 women for four years and I didn’t meet anyone who couldn’t figure it out and you know, get comfortable with it in a week. So it’s not that hard to learn and if you spend a day or two, you know, working on it for two days in a row, you’re probably going to get it. But say, could be generous and say it takes a week.

It does take a little time but it’s very much worth it. The first thing you need going into it, is you need a strong pc muscle so you need to be doing you Kegels.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Alright, just stop right there and define for our listeners what that is.

Susan Crain Bakos: That, that’s the muscle, the PC muscle is the pubococcygeus muscle that is like, it’s like a hammock in your vaginal floor. Men have it and women have it, but it’s a little more important in women than it is in men.

Dr. Patti Taylor: So when..

Susan Crain Bakos: And it’s the muscle that after child birth you don’t do the exercises you might pee in your pants when you sneeze or laugh or whatever.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Ok so..

Susan Crain Bakos: You strengthen that muscle and you can find it by stopping and starting the flow of urine. You just go to the bathroom, pee, stop your pee, and the muscle that makes you do that is the PC muscle. That’s what you exercise.

And you just do simple sets of you know hold release, hold release, hold release. You can do it, you can do it every day you can do it while you’re sitting, I’m sitting at a bar in Gramercy Park and talking to you and so, you know, you can do them anywhere. I said, ‘you know’ and I’m reminded of Caroline Kennedy. I won’t say that again.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Ok anybody hearing all the flack she’s getting about saying ‘you know’. But anyway, back to our point. You start out with strong PC muscles before you even get into this program. Now the first part of it is arousal focus and it’s cognitive feedback loop, it’s simply cognitive feedback loop.

Susan Crain Bakos: In cognitive feedback you think of an image. You put that image in your mind and you focus on that image and you push everything else out of your mind. Cognitive feedback is used to change behaviour. People voluntarily do cognitive exercises to change bad habits. Maybe you’re smoking, or maybe you’re shopping too much, or maybe thinking a lot of negative thoughts. So it’s a time tested program, cognitive feedback loop.

That’s what you’re using. You take an arousal image that is not your boyfriend and it’s not male genitals. It can be a really sexy flower, it can be a hot colour it can be sun bed. It can be anything you want that doesn’t connect you to a relationship; it just connects you to your arousal. And every time you see that image, you think of your arousal. Keep it in your mind; keep it in your mind.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Ok

Susan Crain Bakos: Don’t let go of it, that’s step number one.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Ok, so like a big diamond ring that’s sparkling.

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Susan Crain Bakos: I like the George of Heath flower, I think they’re beautiful

Dr. Patti Taylor: I think they’re beautiful too. Anyway we’re just going to have to pause, so we’re going to just keep everyone nice and aroused, so that we’ll all come back to hear your number two and number three steps, because this is such an amazing program. And this is Dr. Patti Taylor and I’m here with Susan Crain Bakos, author of The Orgasm Loop and you can learn more about Susan at sexyprime.typepad.com

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Dr. Patti Taylor: We’re back and we are talking about The Orgasm Loop. The no fail technique for reaching orgasm during sex. And we’re talking to Susan Crain Bakos. So we have been talking about step number one, getting an arousal image. Ok, an orchid.

Susan Crain Bakos: An orchid a piano lily, anything that’s really erotic to you, that’s sensual and erotic. I think that for women often it’s a beautiful sensual image.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Uhuh.

Susan Crain Bakos: It’s not, for men it would be maybe a harder image, but for women its often a beautiful sensual image.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Like the ocean lapping up on the shore.

Susan Crain Bakos: Yeah, whatever it is. That’s your image, whatever you see that you think of arousal. Whenever you’re aroused you put that in mind. Keep it there and if you’re thinking “oh my thighs look too fat”, ”oh did I do the dishes”, “oh what am I going to say at that meeting in the morning” then you just focus on that image and you push everything else aside.

Because women, this is where we short circuit our libido. We let thoughts intrude. Men do not. Men see the erection and they go with the erection and women don’t have that visual, so we have to give ourselves the visual.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Okay, so number one, you get that arousal image firmly implanted in your mind. Number two, what’s that?

Susan Crain Bakos: Number two is you’re going to flex those PC muscles that I told you to develop. Flex your PC and practice higher breathing. Which is, you know about higher breathing, as I said tantra practice, I kinda streamlined it.

Dr. Patti Taylor: That’s right.

Susan Crain Bakos: Breath in and out very deeply and slowly, deeply and slowly and you imagine a circle of fire coming in through your vagina and all the way up your body and out your nose. And back and, you know, circling, circling. You imagine this fire, you imagine every breath you take and expel is fire, is erotic fire.

Dr. Patti Taylor: I do that all the time.

Susan Crain Bakos: Yeah.

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Susan Crain Bakos: Well that regulates your breathing and makes your breathing sexier. You get oxygen seeing your blood faster, which is getting you more aroused and sustaining your arousal

Dr. Patti Taylor: Right

Susan Crain Bakos: Just by breathing, just by the fast breathing. Not by the hard breathing. So you’re doing those two steps together which is really, really easy right?

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Dr. Patti Taylor: That’s the easy part.

Susan Crain Bakos: So finally the more difficult part, for westerners, is energy focus. And that simply means you’re going to take all the energy in your body and you’re going to focus it on your genitals. And when you do that, you will just explode. You will receive an explosive orgasm. And the trick is understanding that it is not whoo whoo, that it is really the truth, you can do this.

That piece came together for me. I had been working on The Orgasm Loop and I had the arousal image and I had the PC flex, and I had the breathing and that was good but it still, you know, wasn’t really putting every women over. I knew I needed another piece but I didn’t know what it was.

So I was back in Illinois and an old friend Rick had the mirror. Old family friend is black belt in five different martial arts, five different black belts. And he had an exhibit where someone tried to push an arrow through his throat. Now I’ve seen him break bricks and boards and blocks and, you know, telephone books and everything you can possibly tear up, but I’d never seen anything like this.

An arrow would not go through his throat because he took all of the energy in his body and he made his throat like a piece of stone and the arrow could not pierce it. This is not, this is not jokey stuff. This really happened to me. You can see these demonstrations in, I’m sure, almost every part of the country.

So I talked to him and I said how do I work out how to focus all the energy in my body in my genitals? How do I learn how to do that? And he taught me how to do it and it’s really not that hard. You imagine this heat in the base of your spine. You imagine this heat below your navel and you feel the heat and the energy growing and you will all the energy in your body to its place. It’s the same thing that happens if you’re in an accident and you can do suddenly incredible things. You can lift a car off a child, you can do amazing things because you have to, you’ve been in an accident. Well it’s the same kind of thing. It’s moving energy but this time you’re doing in consciously instead of unconscious act.

We all know it can happen. We’ve all read stories, or maybe we’ve seen it, or maybe we felt it. This is consciously moving it and it takes a little practice, but again within a week you can do it. You will actually feel the energy in your body moving to your genitals. You will feel your clit just inflame on fire with this energy and anything that touches it is going to make you cum. So those are the parts.

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Dr. Patti Taylor: Those are deep breaths. You know I do those things, so I can vouch for that, and I do them naturally. But I’ve been doing them for years so I just think this is so exciting that you have simplified this in this beautiful book and of course you do go into some detail in terms of how to do Kegel exercises and how to focus the energy, but I just love that you’ve made this a really simple program and i think as you yourself point out the whole... you know after this it’s all the different ways that you can apply this that really make this so exciting. So I’d love to talk about some of the applications for this starting with maybe masturbation and then into intercourse and maybe oral, you know.

Susan Crain Bakos: Any way that you have sex or any way that you are going to reach an orgasm, you can use The Orgasm Loop. It’ll get you there faster, it will get you there harder and it will get you multiple orgasms if that is what you want.

Dr. Patti Taylor: So actually is there any other way you...you really wouldn’t want to... after a while wouldn’t it almost become like, it’s such a great way almost to...

Susan Crain Bakos: Yeah and after you’ve done it for a while it’s just second nature. Anyway, you’ve done this sort of thing for a long time because you’ve done a practitioner (??) you do these things.

Dr. Patti Taylor: It almost just comes naturally after a while i think you doing, crystallising these things so anyone can start doing it right away

Susan Crain Bakos: Oh yeah

Dr. Patti Taylor: So lets talk a little bit about how this might, lets talk a little bit about masturbation because you talk about that in your book and I really love that you make such a point that this is not just, what do you call it, step sister sex, but it is an important part of a woman’s erotic heritage.

Susan Crain Bakos: Absolutely, masturbation is an important part of a woman’s sex life. I believe, and I tell women this, that you should have an orgasm every single day. You should masturbate to orgasm every day. And I have a lot of vibrators, I am a huge fan of vibes and sometimes I’m in a big hurry and I just turn that vibe on and I have a orgasm in sixty seconds and I’m good to go.

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Dr. Patti Taylor: Every day you need to have an orgasm.

Susan Crain Bakos: Every woman does. I believe it’s going to keep us younger and healthier and happier and make us more sexual and less demanding on our sex partner. It just does so many things for us, so many great things.

Dr. Patti Taylor: And i hear its really good also..

Susan Crain Bakos: I may run for president on that part.

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Dr. Patti Taylor: Now if somebody hasn’t done, hasn’t been orgasmic, how long in your experience, does it really vary or is there a certain amount of time do you think, that it takes for someone to become orgasmic.

Susan Crain Bakos: I have found it depends on where the woman is at in her life. If she is ready to make a big change, say she’s getting out of a marriage or a relationship or she’s met somebody new who really turns her on, or she’s lost a lot of weight or she’s changed her job. If she’s at a change point for one reason or another, even if she’s always had trouble before, she’s going to learn this fast. Because she’s ready. She’s got a changed life. If she’s kinda stuck in the same old pattern, she consciously wants to change them but is stuck in them, it will take her a little bit longer because she’s not, you know, she’s not at that place already and she has to bring herself to it, she has to walk herself there. So that can take a little bit longer and it can be a little bit more difficult for her. But I found, women who never had an orgasm their whole lives and they’re in their 30’s or in their 40’s and in some cases in their 50’s, never had an orgasm and they can have an orgasm this way.

Dr. Patti Taylor: So what do you do if you’re in a stuck marriage, I mean....

Susan Crain Bakos: That’s, that is a real problem. People who are in stuck marriages, where, you know, it shouldn’t become very unsexual and we have so many sexless marriages in this country. I believe the number is like 20 million. Bob Berkowitz and his wife Susan something Berkowitz wrote a book together about it, “why he doesn’t want sex anymore” I believe is the title, and based on this that 20 million couples on that list, this was sort of a modest projection, are in sexless marriages in this country. Many more have marriages where there is basically little sex. So if you’re in that relationship there’s a lot of stuff going on, there’s a lot of anger, years of built up resentment. Probably neither one of you are very good at sex. Sex technique is certainly not very good in that marriage or they wouldn’t be in that place. There is probably somebody, at least one person has a lot of inhibitions.

The sum, a situation like that is going to be hard to crack. You have to really want to do it. But once you want to do it, once you want to change it...I maybe, I tell women, maybe you won’t change him. Masturbate and change you. And then you decide where you want to go from there.

Dr. Patti Taylor: I love that, that’s beautiful.

Susan Crain Bakos: No excuses, but change yourself. Masturbate, change yourself through masturbation. And once you’re orgasmic, if you still want to be with him, or you think you can bring him along or maybe can’t bring him along, but make that decision. What you’re going to do. But get yourself going, don’t wait for him to do it, get yourself going and don’t give yourself any excuses for why you’re not orgasmic, just get it done.

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Susan Crain Bakos: The best way to learn how to be orgasmic is masturbating, so just do it.

Dr. Patti Taylor: That is truly beautiful advice and it goes back to what I said in the beginning which is, I think, you know, there’s a lot of people that are not orgasmic and if you’re waiting for your partner to do it, well, no wonder you’re stuck so... But you don’t have to because here are the instructions on the side of the box, right here, right in front of you so...

Susan Crain Bakos: You do not have to be stuck and you are, i came out of that whole 70’s feminist thing where I truly believed, with Cherry Garset and Twiggy(sp? 23:24), we are responsible for our own orgasms. I do believe that.

He does not give you an orgasm, you take your own.

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We have more control over their sexual experience than they really have over ours. A woman can really, really change his sexual experience more than he can change hers.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Ok so were going to take another break, this is Dr Patti Taylor and I’m here with Susan Crain Bakos, author of The Orgasm Loop, the no fail technique for reaching orgasm during sex. Let’s talk about during sex when we get back. You can find out more about Susan at sexyprimed.typepad.com and she’s the author of The Orgasm Loop and all her books are actually up there on her blog at sexyprime.typepad.com. And its a fabulous blog and Susan has not only written fifteen books and way, way more, she’s a very prolific blog writer too so if you want to get the dish for free and just have a juicy life, because she’s a phenomenal writer in addition to a phenomenal educator, so we will be right back. Please stay with us.

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Dr. Patti Taylor: We’re back and were talking about the orgasm loop and I would like to find out now how can we use it during lovemaking?

Susan Crain Bakos: Ok now, we’ve been told for a long time that we’re supposed to have deep soulful sex every time, look into his eyes and make eye contact. At least until you’re really comfortable with The Orgasm Loop, don’t look into his eyes the whole time. Keep your eyes closed or look away, whatever because if you look into his eyes you might lose your focus.

But one thing that you might remember that your mad at him and wether of not you want to have sex with a guy because you’re mad at him, that’s really a shame because there’s nothing better than sex to take the edge off those little arguments. I always think, why not do rear entry sex because you don’t have to look at him then and you can fantasise, or you can do anything that you want. And also rear entry sex is a very good way to get yourself used to The Orgasm Loop during intercourse. He is, you’re not looking at him and he’s not looking at you and you can focus on your arousal and your energy movement and you don’t have the distraction of him right in front of you. You’ve got him coming in from behind.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Ok

Susan Crain Bakos: Which is a very satisfying feeling for a lot of women. You know it’s a number two position for women and for men.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Ok so thats..

Susan Crain Bakos: Theres a myth in our culture that women don’t like rear entry but in fact they do, it’s their second favourite position. You know what is their first favourite?

Dr. Patti Taylor: What?

Susan Crain Bakos: Missionary! And the mans first favourite is being over the barrier.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Okay

Susan Crain Bakos: Kinda surprising huh?

Dr. Patti Taylor: It is surprising. Yeah, you talk about it in your book so, it may have escaped notice here but yeah, I was surprised when I read that in your book. But everyone likes the rear entry position apparently.

Susan Crain Bakos: Yeah, everyone does and it’s a good way to start out. Start having intercourse using the loop.

Dr. Patti Taylor: And I like what you said about the woman putting her need, her legs straight up in the air so that the man could go in very deep and that might have scared the whole vision thing a little bit too.

Susan Crain Bakos: Right, anything you can do that puts a little bit of space between you and him because while you are learning this, it’s about you and you shouldn’t feel bad about that. You should feel that this is a skill your learning that is going to make sex better for both of you and if it takes a little concentration, a little exclusive concentration at the beginning, don’t feel badly about that. It’s just going to make it better next week and next month and next year so go with it

Dr. Patti Taylor: And at some point do you get to the point where you ever let go of the need to hold that arousal image in your mind you know once these patterns...

Susan Crain Bakos: I don’t need to hold it in my mind but I know it so well that if I find myself losing interest or losing arousal or thinking about something else I put it up there fast

Dr. Patti Taylor: Okay got it.

Susan Crain Bakos: It’s like my little brain slide show; I know that that’s what i need to do. That’s the tool I need to use if I start losing my focus.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Okay good, so positions where the man can have deep entry into the women, so her legs are generally way up in the air, around his neck or around his waist.

Susan Crain Bakos: Right

Dr. Patti Taylor: And how about oral sex. I mean, can you use The Orgasm Loop for that?

Susan Crain Bakos: Absolutely and it’s great, it’s great. Oral sex is really good and very compatible with The Orgasm Loop. You can just throw your head back and shut your eyes and do your work while he pleasures you.

Susan Crain Bakos: Yes absolutely perfect. And when you get to be a little better at this, I think we’ll talk about this in the next segment, about how you can cum while giving a blow job without judging yourself.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Well, you’re giving a good lead in for the next show

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Dr. Patti Taylor: Now everyone is going to want to come back for that right?

Susan Crain Bakos: Absolutely, yes!

Dr. Patti Taylor: Okay, we phone them in well and all the girlfriends you know, will want... if they’ve been intrigued anyway...

Okay good, well we are going to close down our show soon so I do want to know if there is an inspiring thought that you would like to leave our listeners to end the show on for today

Susan Crain Bakos: Have an orgasm every day. That is the most inspiring thought I can give you. If you have regular orgasms, if you know you can give this to yourself every day. Love making is not such a challenge, it’s not a testing ground, it becomes more fun, more relaxed and the orgasms happen more easily. Give yourself pleasure. Take charge of your own pleasure and when you do that, you’ll be able to give more and you’ll be able to receive more.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Well that’s beautiful and simple. Thank you.

Susan Crain Bakos: It is, it is.

Dr. Patti Taylor: We’ve been talking with Susan Crain Bakos who is the author of The Orgasm Bible, I mean The Orgasm Loop and we will be coming back for a second show on what men really want in bed. So I certainly hope you get a chance to hear that one as well and I also want to ask our listeners, will you take five minutes to fill out our survey? It’s at survey.personallifemedia.com. Its for our sponsor, it helps us sell advertising and know a little bit more about you and it really helps us out. Its fast, it’s easy, I took it and I’m asking if my listeners could too.

So thank you all...

Susan Crain Bakos: And tell your listeners I’m doing this interview at City Crab, which is one of my favourite neighbourhood taverns so they should definitely, if they are in New York and in the Gramercy area they should stop at City Crab.
Dr. Patti Taylor: Okay.

Susan Crain Bakos: This is my unpaid endorsement.

Dr. Patti Taylor: Okay got it, well this brings us to the very perfect end of our show. So thank you all for listening. Please send me email at [email protected]

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