Hi Glen,
Where the PWG semantic model virtualizes many of the functions an HCD can
perform, I have no problem accepting an iPhone as a conforming device if the
service features you are referencing are fully compliant with the PWG
Semantic Model. If they are developed to be compatible with some other
specification, then I think the iPhone example would be out of scope.
I think the issue is more one of developer intent (example: a third party
develops a virtual printer client for the iPhone so that users can
authenticate themselves with their relevant organization, execute a print
job, have it routed to the virtual printer client on the iPhone, and then
pass the information <i.e. stream> to a kiosk printer in close proximity to
where they are currently located). In this example, you would probably want
the virtual printer to conform to PWG Semantic Model in order to gain
compatibility with IPP Everywhere and Cloud standards.
When building a PDF creating driver for the iPhone, I'm not sure that a
developer would worry too much about PWG Semantic Model unless maybe
metadata transmission of the PDF to an external print service was a
requirement.
So I am comfortable with a broad Cloud Imaging definition like the one Mike
proposed with the caveat that in scope versus out of scope will mostly be
determined by conformance with the PWG Semantic Model definitions of
services.
Helpful?
Best Regards,
/Paul
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-----Original Message-----
From: Petrie, Glen [mailto:glen.petrie at eitc.epson.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:05 AM
To: ptykodi at tykodi.com
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I do not mean the PDF print is out of scope; I mean the Apple iPhone as a
HCD are out of scope. iPhone are multi-function devices that have
print (PDF), scan(camera capture), fax, email, etc all as services. So
are you suggesting we should include iPhone?
glen
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From: Paul Tykodi [mailto:ptykodi at tykodi.com]
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 6:33 AM
To: Petrie, Glen
Cc: cloud at pwg.org
Subject: RE: [Cloud] NIST cloud def is now an SP draft
Hi Glen,
I think one of the most valuable pieces of intellectual property defined by
the PWG to date is the semantic model. It is in my opinion an amazing body
of work, which has successfully abstracted the workings of both the single
function and multi-function imaging devices available today. As such, I
believe that allowing a PDF driver to be in scope for PWG Cloud Imaging is
fine.
Why do you feel this example from your colleague needs to be explicitly made
out of scope?
Thanks.
Best Regards,
/Paul
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From: cloud-bounces at pwg.org [mailto:cloud-bounces at pwg.org] On Behalf Of
Petrie, Glen
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:11 AM
To: cloud at pwg.org
Subject: RE: [Cloud] NIST cloud def is now an SP draft
I was not going to comment further on the definition but someone in my
office brought the case: If printing including printing to PDF (we all have
a PDF print driver on our desktop/laptops) then the current definition would
include an Apple iPhone!!!!
Might I suggest
Cloud Imaging: Access to Hard Copy Device defined by the P2600 [.....] and
associated services through a Cloud Computing infrastructure as defined by
NIST Special Publication 800-145 [NISTCLOUD].
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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Sweet [mailto:msweet at apple.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 1:40 PM
To: Petrie, Glen
Cc: Brian Smithson; cloud at pwg.org
Subject: Re: [Cloud] NIST cloud def is now an SP draft
On Apr 27, 2011, at 1:21 PM, Petrie, Glen wrote:
> This was the reference Ira provided. It is about cloud computing. I
> did not find a reference to Cloud Imaging or print. This is the one I
> red-line as a possible definition for cloud printing.
Right, however there was some discussion of whether we wanted to do that,
reference the NIST definition, or use some hybrid approach where we had the
one-liner definition that referenced the NIST Cloud Computing definition and
then had a complete model definition (which is where I thought we ended
up?)
> So I assume the cloud printing definition below this is Brain's
> proposal. Interesting that email and transforms are now part of
> imaging. So, I guess Cloud Imaging will include everything.
I wrote up the definition below and included all MFD services except System
Control, however if we accept Cloud as a general replacement for SSO
solutions we should probably include System Control as well...
How about the following for the one-liner definition:
Cloud Imaging: Access to Multi-Function Device services through a Cloud
Computing infrastructure as defined by NIST Special Publication 800-145
[NISTCLOUD].
???
The model section would provide detailed bits like some of the content you
developed from the NIST definition.
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> Cc: cloud at pwg.org> Subject: Re: [Cloud] NIST cloud def is now an SP draft
>> Brian,
>> Thanks! Seems like we should definitely reference this in our model
> document, e.g.:
>> Cloud Imaging: Printing, scanning, copying, facsimile, email, and
> transformation of documents using a Cloud Computing infrastructure as
> defined by NIST Special Publication 800-145 [NISTCLOUD].
>> On Apr 27, 2011, at 12:24 PM, Brian Smithson wrote:
>>>>http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/drafts/800-145/Draft-SP-800-145_cloud-
> definition.pdf
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