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Remember, folks: whenever a woman says "die for me because you are a man," just look her in the eye and say "my body, my choice."

TCM

Friday, November 30, 2012

Herding Hamsters

More fodder for the book and the blog. The Letter has garnered almost 12,000 pageviews, and the comments are a goldmine of research topics. Furthermore, they are helping me organize and prioritize my thoughts. At first I was a little worried that some of the "objections" to my themes would actually be legitimate and logical. I should have known better; if A Voice for Men, with thousands of readers, can't get a feminist to engage in reasoned debate (Challenge Unanswered) why would I?

Anyhamsterfest, here's another epic logical fail of a comment from the cushy land of make-believe, and my response to it:

"DO NOT, under any circumstances, repress your sexuality. Your foremothers fought hard for your right to be promiscuous with no consequences; don’t you dare let their efforts go to waste. And since you’re not looking for a husband, there’s no need to sleep with only “good” men, is there? ‘Cuz badboyz are hawt! And nice guys are boring. Additionally, you have plenty of time to ride the best cocks you can find;"Agreed! Oh wait. You meant this as a bad thing. Oh well, toe-may-toe/toe-mah-toe.But if I am having all this sex, how am I also going to bed alone with my vibrator? And why is it it is the long term married women I know whose only sex is the vibrator and feel painfully alone and not the single women I know?

"Men are dropping out, Ladies. "YOUR version of men, and it is about friggin time. We have been working over a century to get out from underneath the Neanderthal mentality and them finally dropping out will make it much easier for us all to finally try to achieve the ideal of being treated as human instead of a monogamous whore/hand maid bought and paid for by the man having the career we wish we had. Thank you for finally stopping pushing us back down on and stepping out of the way to make room for us at eye level with those not born and bred to have a limited view of our societal value.

The one thing that we do agree on is how the Patriarchy has been negative for men. The gender role ideals it perpetuates limits mens potential and gifts as much as womens. I do not agree that it has better for woman. Selling your independence for financial security is just a form of slavery. I would rather be a free pauper than a slave with a gilded cage. It is bad for both men and women. Men and women are so much more than the gender roles created in the days of Leave it to Beaver that try to pretend they have always been. We should not be born into boxes based on our genitals. We should each be able to explore individual potential.

p.s.I have a hard time believing this is written by a female. The voice sounds distinctly male, especially when talking about sex. Just the tone.

*****

My response:

You didn't read much of this page, did you? Or are your reading comprehension skills
really that poor?

So are you a Shero or a Booblet? Tell me, if feminism is so pro-male, why is
its root spelled f-e-m? Oooh! Oooh! I know!
Because it likes only feminine men?

I'm not going to be dragged into a middle-school (read:
"girly") debate of inconsequential minutiae, but I will address a bit
of the myth upon which your assumptions are based.

Now, if feminism isn't anti-male, why are the results of
MAINSTREAM feminism so repressive (dare I say "oppressive?") of men?

"But if I am having all this sex, how am I also going
to bed alone with my vibrator?"

...again, reading comprehension?

You'll be able to have all the sex you want while you're
young and supple, but along about 30-ish, when you're ready to "settle
down," you will NOT be impressed by
the caliber of men who are still interested in you used-up pussy. Sex first, vibrator later. M'kay?
Oh, and your female friend in a sexless marriage? Either she's abnormal or he's abnormal. Note the prefix "ab." Outliers do not represent the norm. I understand this is hard for indoctrinated femmies
to understand, because your entire ideology is based upon the preferences of a
minority of women, but try to stretch your atrophied brain. Plus, I know, math is hard.

"We have been working over a century to get out from
underneath the Neanderthal mentality"

Be careful what you wish for, dearie. That neanderthal mentality is why you don't
live in a grass hut, and aren't likely to die young. I know you think masculine men are a pain in
the ass, but masculine men pay most of your bills, one way or another, unless
you are a VERY unusual woman. If you
have a high-paying private sector job, there is probably at least a half dozen
men better qualified than you, who were denied that job so that it could be
given to a woman, regardless of merit.
Unless of course you work in the sort of field that doesn't attract many
men. Then again, most of those fields
are NOT well paid, but a few are. And
most of the female-centric fields that ARE highly paid, are almost entirely
dependent upon either the income of the clientele's husbands, or upon the
income of a clientele whose jobs are dependent on affirmative action or direct
taxpayer funding. Big fish, small
pond. The pond would dry up without
"neanderthals."

It is that "neanderthal mentality" which keeps you
safe when you leave home (built by men.)
That's right. The majority of law
enforcement officers (who often commit violence against men at your command)
are men who chose their field because of their strong protective
instincts.

It is that "neanderthal mentality" which motivated
men to build the cars/trains/buses you use to navigate the streets in relative
safety, so you don't have to be exposed to the weather and to human predators
on your way to work.

It is that "neanderthal mentality" which built the
government that collects the taxes and provides public sector jobs where women
don't have to compete with men for employment.

Use your imagination.
Or better yet, hire a (male, armed) bodyguard and travel to a third
world country where women AND MEN are not protected by government, from either
the harsh realities of nature, or from human predators. Try to visualize a world where YOU, and maybe
a band of your pals, are responsible for every single aspect of your
survival. (And keep in mind that your
"enemies" have plenty of pals as well.) You might survive, but you would likely not
prosper. without the protection of those
"neanderthals," people who are smarter, stronger, more ambitious, and
more organized than you, would be helping themselves to your survival resources
- so THEY could survive.

Feminism wants you to think that it's some sort of humanist
ideal, but it simply could not exist if those "neanderthals" did not
permit it. Feminism is a social
construct; it is a fantasy. It's a
totally cool swing set and fort in one's parents' securely fenced back
yard. It's a playhouse with a plastic
tea set in the playroom. Not one single
aspect of feminism could exist without the protection of those who have the
"neanderthal mentality."

Are men perfect?
No. Is it always fun to be
supportive of the men who keep you warm and well-fed. Hell no!
It's a fucking chore! That's
right, it's WORK, and it doesn't always feeeeeel rewarding. (That's the true nature of work and you'd
know that if you didn't live under the cozy protection of
"neanderthals.") Work is what
gets you from one end of life to the other, and some days, work sucks. The difference between men and women in
modern society, is that women actually have the choice to avoid the most
unpleasant types of work,

and men don't.

Men suck it up and do their share because nobody is going to
do it for them. Then they suck it up
further and do most women's share - either because the government will jail
them if the don't (and pay for it with their own tax dollars) or because they
want a family and they understand that that (often sucky, unrewarding) WORK is
required to support a family.

Miss Kae, I would guess that you are an urban or suburban
teen or twentysomething who has never been responsible for much of anything
(except maybe studying hard to succeed in the schools built and paid for by
"neanderthals," and perhaps missing a few parties to work at a
relatively easy job.) Sadly, it's also
possible that you are a chronologically mature woman who has the mentality of a
suburban teen. You see, there are plenty
such women in existence because they have been sheltered from responsibility by
"neanderthals."

"I have a hard time believing this is written by a
female. The voice sounds distinctly male..."

12 comments:

Ugh, the old "you talk about reality so you must be a man" red herring. If I had a nickel for every time some female wrote that I must be a man blogging as a woman...

It's a way of discrediting uncomfortable truths without having to actually argue against them logically. I like your response, though. From now on whenever a harpy says I must be a man, I'm not going to try to argue with her, I'm just going to write, "Why thank you! I'm flattered that you find my arguments so well-reasoned."

Thanks, SSM! I sure hope it's primarily Brainless Booblet-types who consider frank logic so foreign to the female mindset. If it's MOST women, I think I'll go hide my head in the sand, because I'd rather not know about it.

Logic and math don't care who you are, what color your skin is, what your ancestry is, or how old you are. If your reasoning is sound, it'll stand up to testing. If not, it won't. I don't find it at all surprising that some women can do it.

As a man, I find myself conflicted. I'm in an extended family of strong, smart, capable, women.

My late father taught me the following, "Son, in your life you will have to eat a lot of shit. Can't avoid it. The trick is to not develop a taste for it." Seems many women don't want to face that reality.

Strong, smart, capable women don't need feminism to make them appear "equal." They're good, they know it and they show it with their productivity, so everybody else knows it too. Like men, they make their own opportunities, and they usually do just fine.

Good to see the new oxymorons are replacing the old "Military Intelligence".

I wonder why they couldn't make it without the Government teat, but in the Strong, smart feminist private sector?....Oh....right...

"they need it to make the world better for their children, as well."

Theirs, of course. Not teh eveel menz. How are all those children of capable feminist divorce doing, BTW?.....Oh.....right...

You do, of course, agree with Catherine MacKinnon that “Feminism, Socialism, and Communism are one in the same, and Socialist/Communist government is the goal of feminism” ....don't you?.....Bueller...?

Conveniently-)Anonymous, I have encountered at least one real live THINKING being at Sheroes, so I'm willing to bet a month's pay you're a Boobzie's Brainless Booblet. I'm also willing to bet that you're so obtuse you don't even realize that your comment utterly lacks substance, and is nothing more than a series of patently nonsensical and meaningless (except in Boobzville) slogans.

I'm sure you think you're brave for showing up and stating your piece, but we both know your cute little water wings wouldn't keep you afloat here in the deep end of the pool, so I don't expect to hear from you again. Booblet debate tactics only "work" in the presence of a bevy of Boolets, who cheer nonsense with more nonsense, and pretend something of substance was actually said. Your fellow Boolets can be found over in the kiddie pool.

That neanderthal mentality is why you don't live in a grass hut, and aren't likely to die young.

Amen. EVERYTHING that makes life comfortable was invented by men and is delivered by men. That includes indoor plumbing (call a plumber and see how often a woman shows up), central heating and air-conditioning, automobiles, the telephone, the personal computer, the internet, antibiotics, anesthesia, and pavement. That's just a start. I've been single all sixty years of my life, and, when I can't do something myself or choose not to do something myself, I call on men, not women. Plumbing and antibiotics (from men) are essential. Career coaching (from women) is a frill. Nobody sane forgets that.

Bravo - as a 57 year old woman who has worked all her life and is not married by choice (and not complaining in any way - I have an excellent life and when I want it - a pretty good sex life).

But I long ago became tired of my female friends who insisted that they were independent women and proved it by becoming 'self-employed' - of course forgetting that it was their husbands who paid for the roof over their heads, the food on the table and their lovely retirement plans, but they never worked hard enough at their self-employment to earn enough to provide nothing more than the clothes on their back and an annual holiday - frills!!

And god forbid should you point it out to them!!! I've lost more than one 'friend' bu doing just that - no great loss in the end.