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I hope the voters punish the republicans next year. Elections have consequences, and that is something they don't get. The president got healthcare passed. He was reelected. The Supreme Court upheld the law. Many government workers are living paycheck to paycheck, like most. It appears soldiers will still continue to get paid, after some legislation??

We are in the process of refinancing our FHA home loan. I have read this will effect new loans, but not sure about refinancing. This will just be a tiny, tiny pain for us. But, many will suffer.

And, the debt ceiling is coming up. Will they once again cause us to lose more of our credit rating? Rachel Maddow did a segment on this. She played audio and showed letters Reagan wrote to republicans about how irresponsible it is to play with the economy and our credit, with going to the wire with not raising the debt ceiling.

A year, unfortunately, is a long enough time for the guilty parties to spin themselves as heroes. And our uneducated, complacent, and ignorant voting population will believe them.

Sorry for the cynicism.

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"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

I don't know about the time heals everything argument. I mean the idea that the obstructionists are going to "spin" their way back to favorable ratings. I think there are plenty of people of voters who RIGHT NOW consider them heros. I think they themselves also genuinely believe they are doing something heroic. Its just I sit way on the other side. And moderates also don't like these shenanigans. I think how people view the GOP obstructionists and fantasy dwellers, today, isn't going to change much. Well, at least I hope so.The problem is with gerrymandered districts, perhaps the GOP obstructionists can be reelected because their odd little (minority) world view, nevertheless controls the district. Or tell me thats not true. It worries me...

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“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need” 1875 K Marx

The House Repubs have NOTHING TO FEAR FROM VOTERS. They are, for the most part, in nice, safe, comfy districts where the voters are cheering. Unfortunately this is the shit you get when you let politicians pick their voters instead of the other way around. I read 2 Letters to the Editor in my paper this morning cheering on Eric Cantor and wishing their were more like him in Congress. Now, Senators have far more to fear, which is why they have far fewer members in support of the House's insatiable drive to kill Obamacare. How any state, even Texas, could have voted in the likes of Ted Cruz is beyond me.Normally, I find a crisis like this as having people on each side involved, but in this one -- it is all the foolish far right republicans and the ball-less Boehner who refuses to put them down, because he knows it would be the end of his Speakership. There are enough moderate Republicans in the House that could band with the Dems and open the government back up.My biggest fear -- the debt ceiling debacle that is fast approaching. That has the potential to bring the world economy back to 2008. I fear it is all hopeless at this point.

This actually does scare the shit out of me........ I fear we are in for a horrible fall/winter -- I just hope it doesn't turn into a multi-year economic nightmare.Gerrymandering has taken so much power away from the people that only a few politicians really require the consent of reasonable Americans to govern. In fact, for US Reps to maintain their office, many/most must now pander to the far right or far left. So few elections matter once the primaries are over.Somehow we must find a way to stop politicians from choosing their voters -- we need the Judicial branch to step in and stop the insanity of gerrymandering (which despite how it is currently slanted to the Repubs favor in the US House, is a Democrat animal).

A Ku Klux Klan rally planned for Saturday, Oct. 5 has been canceled because of the government shutdown.

On Sept. 26, officials at Gettysburg National Military Park granted a special-use permit for a rally to a Maryland-based KKK group. According to NBC 10 Philadelphia, the event was canceled when park officials rescinded all permits for special events because of the shutdown, which began 12 a.m. ET on Tuesday. ...

This actually does scare the shit out of me........ I fear we are in for a horrible fall/winter -- I just hope it doesn't turn into a multi-year economic nightmare.Gerrymandering has taken so much power away from the people that only a few politicians really require the consent of reasonable Americans to govern. In fact, for US Reps to maintain their office, many/most must now pander to the far right or far left. So few elections matter once the primaries are over.Somehow we must find a way to stop politicians from choosing their voters -- we need the Judicial branch to step in and stop the insanity of gerrymandering (which despite how it is currently slanted to the Repubs favor in the US House, is a Democrat animal).

Mike

This is a great article that illustrates your point. Dems had 1.1 million more votes, thus winning the popular vote in the House, but repubs kept control. Dems engage in this, too, but not nearly as successfully.

Unfortunately this is the shit you get when you let politicians pick their voters instead of the other way around.

THIS.

This a gazillion times. First thing these monsters did was redraw their districts to make sure they got the re-election locked down.

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"Many people, especially in the gay community, turn to oral sex as a safer alternative in the age of AIDS. And with HIV rates rising, people need to remember that oral sex is safer sex. It's a reasonable alternative."

This has very serious consequences. James Clapper, Director of National Intellegence, testified that 70% of intellegence agents have been furloughed. He said this puts us at great risk. The FBI has sent home half their employees, which they say will make it more difficult to track threats. The CDC is not tracking things like food poisoning, with less than a third on the job. I hope they are tracking more serious illnesses. The FDA is not testing food. WIC is shutting down, deemed as non-essential. Head Start is shutting down.

The one that hit me the most is the NIH has furloughed 73% of their staff. NBC News says that means 200 patients a week are being turned away for last-resort medical treatments, including 30 children-- most of them cancer patients. If that is true, that is unforgivable.

We have elected an ungovernable collection of snake-handlers, Bible-bangers, ignorami, bagmen and outright frauds, a collection so ungovernable that it insists the nation be ungovernable, too. We have elected people to govern us who do not believe in government.

We have elected a national legislature in which Louie Gohmert and Michele Bachmann have more power than does the Speaker of the House of Representatives, who has been made a piteous spectacle in the eyes of the country and doesn't seem to mind that at all. We have elected a national legislature in which the true power resides in a cabal of vandals, a nihilistic brigade that believes that its opposition to a bill directing millions of new customers to the nation's insurance companies is the equivalent of standing up to the Nazis in 1938, to the bravery of the passengers on Flight 93 on September 11, 2001, and to Mel Gibson's account of the Scottish Wars of Independence in the 13th Century. We have elected a national legislature that looks into the mirror and sees itself already cast in marble.

We did this. We looked at our great legacy of self-government and we handed ourselves over to the reign of morons.

We have elected an ungovernable collection of snake-handlers, Bible-bangers, ignorami, bagmen and outright frauds, a collection so ungovernable that it insists the nation be ungovernable, too. We have elected people to govern us who do not believe in government.

We have elected a national legislature in which Louie Gohmert and Michele Bachmann have more power than does the Speaker of the House of Representatives, who has been made a piteous spectacle in the eyes of the country and doesn't seem to mind that at all. We have elected a national legislature in which the true power resides in a cabal of vandals, a nihilistic brigade that believes that its opposition to a bill directing millions of new customers to the nation's insurance companies is the equivalent of standing up to the Nazis in 1938, to the bravery of the passengers on Flight 93 on September 11, 2001, and to Mel Gibson's account of the Scottish Wars of Independence in the 13th Century. We have elected a national legislature that looks into the mirror and sees itself already cast in marble.

We did this. We looked at our great legacy of self-government and we handed ourselves over to the reign of morons.

Adding one more thing to my earlier list-- the TSB will not investigate the deadly bus crash in TN from Tuesday. After all the charter bus crashes recently, they need investigated. Surely, if there was a plane crash, they would investigate that?

The BBC interviewed a Banker from Chase Manhattan who had met with the dissenting Republican's. His conclusion was they had no idea off the consequences for the US and therefore the worlds economy. He was calm and sober but was clearly shocked at how little these people understood fiance.

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"If we can find the money to kill people, we can find the money to help people ." Tony Benn

This may impact submission dates and will also delay payments to those organizations that currently have open grants.... No money coming in could quickly cause some smaller organizations to have cash flow issues (translation: layoffs, suspension of services, etc.)

We have already been bitten by delays in release of funding oppotunity applications due to continuing resolutions and cutbacks in funding due to sequestration....

At the end of the year, when the bottom line begins to shrink, many organizations, including mine, will have to look for ways to cut costs even more and do even more with less (this means students will have less access to college, employees may be laid off - including in our department, and employers who are already saying that they don't have the skilled workers needed to fill some positions will have even less of those skilled workers).... and these are just the more pronounced effects....

In the long run, the long-term (and even short-term cost) of shutting down the government to try to get rid of Obamacare or cut spending, is going to cost the government several times more than what it would have cost to pass a clean bill and fund those programs that help avoid or diminish much more significant downstream costs.

The overarching problem for the man at the center of the budget fight, say allies and opponents, is that he and his leadership team have no real idea how to resolve the fiscal showdown.

They are only trying to survive another day, Republican strategists say, hoping to maintain unity as long as possible so that when the Republican position collapses, they can capitulate on two issues at once — financing the government and raising the debt ceiling — and head off any internal party backlash.

Everything else is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Brian is at the firefighter memorial in Maryland this weekend. Due to the shutdown, they had to hold the ceremony offsite, because the memorial is on federal land. That's unfortunate. They did allow the families of the fallen to go to the actual memorial site, but no one else. That was good for the families, as they are the most important ones. But, the firefighters also want to go to the site, especially those who worked with the fallen.

A defunding “tool kit” created in early September included talking points for the question, “What happens when you shut down the government and you are blamed for it?” The suggested answer was the one House Republicans give today: “We are simply calling to fund the entire government except for the Affordable Care Act/Obamacare.”

The current budget brinkmanship is just the latest development in a well-financed, broad-based assault on the health law, Mr. Obama’s signature legislative initiative. Groups like Tea Party Patriots, Americans for Prosperity and FreedomWorks are all immersed in the fight, as is Club for Growth, a business-backed nonprofit organization. Some, like Generation Opportunity and Young Americans for Liberty, both aimed at young adults, are upstarts. Heritage Action is new, too, founded in 2010 to advance the policy prescriptions of its sister group, the Heritage Foundation.

The billionaire Koch brothers, Charles and David, have been deeply involved with financing the overall effort. A group linked to the Kochs, Freedom Partners Chamber of Commerce, disbursed more than $200 million last year to nonprofit organizations involved in the fight. Included was $5 million to Generation Opportunity, which created a buzz last month with an Internet advertisement showing a menacing Uncle Sam figure popping up between a woman’s legs during a gynecological exam.

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“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need” 1875 K Marx

This is being called the saddest photo of the shutdown. People not getting paid is pretty sad.

Polls are showing repubs are taking a big hit. 53% blame them, which is higher than under Clinton. Repubs have 27% favorability now. 47% to 39% say Dems should control Congress. That is a big change. 70% say repubs are doing this for political reasons, and that included many registered repubs. These are from the NBC/WSJ poll. Many say this won't hurt tea-party repubs, but I'm hearing many other repubs are worried it will hurt their reelections.

They are creeps for quietly passing that measure that said only Eric Cantor can call for the shutdown to end right before they had the shutdown. This way any congress person who actually gets some sense to call for a vote can't anymore....in a nation based on democracy that is a pretty creepy move.

Maybe I'm a sap, but I find it hard to believe that Sarah Palin, with all her faults, is stupid enough to march on the White House with a gang of racists carrying Confederate Flags... Well finally the blog post seems to be talking about two different events. Its sloppy as hell writing....

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“From each, according to his ability; to each, according to his need” 1875 K Marx

I'm confused by some of the reporting. I have been hearing a large number of veterans were upset that Cruz and Palin turned it into a political rally against the president. I didn't see any interviews of veterans saying that-- just reports of that.