> --- In epigraphy@y..., AwenDawn@a... wrote:
> ---Dear David please read Miami Circle post. I have spent the lats
two
> years studying the Eye of Bel aka Balor Baal or Baal. When I first
saw
> the Circle the discription of it being a possible hinge facinated me
> The circle has a zodiac of unknown origin around it and in the
middle
> of the east west axis is what i see as an eyeof bel. In one of Fells
> eyes I got out of the translation the stance of the eye of the
> watchman. The eye on the axis lines up with with outerprimiter
> indentation that some would consider the heel stone position. In
Good
> Faith, AwenDawn In epigraphy@y..., David Raleigh Arnold <dra@o...>
> wrote:
> > The objects are large. The one I saw in Arlington was carved on a
> > light colored stone. One in ABC was on light colored stone. Ones
> > on dark colored stone, if any, could have had the grooves filled
> > with plaster or blackened and the rest of it whitewashed or
> > covered with light colored ash. I don't know how many have been
> > found, but they will all be large. I subscribe totally to Dr.
> > Barry Fell's interpretation of the epigraphic symbolism and
> > meaning, but I think that they were not used for a religious
> > purpose.
> >
> > A bit of background is called for. Some time well before 400 BC a
> > leading personage named Mil in the city of Tars Hesh, or Sun City,
> > which was located on the southern coast of Iberia, decided that it
> > would be better for him if the urnfield Celts moving into Iberia
> > from the north went somewhere else instead of continuing their
> > southern migration. He persuaded their chief men that they would
> > be better off going west to Ireland rather than tangling with
> > whatever mercenaries the Tartessians could hire to kill them all
> > and sell their wives and children. Ireland is a long swim from
> > what is now Galicia (Galicias are named for the Gauls=Celts) in
> > Spain, but Mil had the whales (large Tartessian oceangoing ships)
> > to take the Celts there.
> >
> > The inhabitants of Ireland, which wasn't Ireland then of course,
> > were the Tuatha De Danaan. Some have thought that Danaan referred
> > to a "lost" tribe of Israel, but there is no reason to think that
> > they were Semites, and their use of the owl as symbolic of
> > something or other suggests a Greek connection, as does the Celtic
> > tradition that these people were more civilized than the Celts
> > themselves. The Celts, while they spoke an Indo-European tongue,
> > were worshippers of Baal and Easter, (or Eoster, or Astarte, or
> > Astaroth) worshippers from way back east before they had been
> > fighting the Greeks, so they shared much of the religion of the
> > Tartessians. The Celts invaded, the Tuatha De Danaan (creampuffs
> > no doubt) were slaughtered and enslaved, and Ireland (which name
> > derives from Iberia) belonged to the Irish for a while.
> >
> > But the Celts just kept coming. So the whales started shipping
> > Celts to the east coast of North America. (They had probably been
> > trading with some of the locals for a long time, and also
> > *certainly* found it much cheaper to have ships built in what is
> > now New England than in Iberia, so they had already mapped and
> > explored some parts of the east coast thoroughly.) Of course they
> > could have shipped Celts to America first, but how efficient is
> > that?
> >
> > Like all Phoenicians (a Greek name--their name for themselves was
> > Cananiti) the Tartessians were inveterate businessmen, so part of
> > the plan to plant colonies of Celts overseas was reaping a profit
> > from the exploitation of the local resources. Planting colonies
> > well inland was sensible because it offered the colonists access
> > to the land in all directions, shortening the distance that metals
> > and skins had to be transported before loading them on a whale,
> > and it was also more convenient for shipbuilding. Defending a
> > port on the Atlantic against all comers would be a formidable
> > task, with an already proven historical record of failure, so I
> > doubt if port sites on the ocean were even considered. So the
> > desirable sites for settlement were up a river of a size to permit
> > their whales easy passage.
> >
> > History abounds with examples of enemies frustrating shore to ship
> > communications by lighting signal fires to confuse ships at sea or
> > lure them to rocks to break and loot them. When sailing, or being
> > towed by the whale's longboats, upriver at night false beacons
> > could be a serious problem. Mil or his minions developed a clever
> > solution.
> >
> > The Indian name for Minor hill in Arlington was Minideg, according
> > to a US Army civil war map. Father Dineen's Irish dictionary
> > defines a minie as "a sort of clearing". Deg, according to Dr.
> > Fell, means "temple" in this context. So, temple clearing. This
> > implies that the hill was cleared of all material which might
> > obstruct one's view of the top. For religious reasons, their
> > temples and other religious objects (or abominations, if you like)
> > were placed on hilltops. Minor hill commands (is the highest hill
> > near) the Potomac just as Ft. Putnam commands the Hudson.
> >
> > The Eye of Baal was placed near or at the top of the hill, facing
> > the most useful direction. A fire was built near the foot of it
> > or its supports to illuminate it. Then two more fires were lit,
> > forming an equilateral triangle with sides of a standard
> > horizontal distance. The eye ensured the authenticity of the
> > beacon to viewers from a great distance. Also, by tying three
> > sharpened sticks together so that the points formed an equilateral
> > triangle, tying a long string to it and attaching the other end to
> > a flat reel made of four sticks tied together, two at a calibrated
> > distance from each other, one could make a simple instrument that
> > could easily and quite accurately calculate the linear distance to
> > the hill from anywhere that you could see the fires, in almost
> > total darkness if need be. A pointer attached to the triangle
> > could give excellent orientation as well, because you could see
> > which fire was illuminating the Eye. (The magnetic compass of the
> > time involved floating a lodestone on liquid. Using a light to
> > see it at night might not be a good idea.)
> >
> > So, were there Eyes of Baal in Ireland? I don't know whether or
> > not the topography or other conditions were suitable, but it may
> > be that Eyes of Baal there were too big to break up. Also, they
> > may have been tipped over by the Irish themselves and even slid
> > downhill when they were deemed of no more use or
> > counterproductive. It may be that natural forces tipped them over
> > also. All kinds of things could have happened so that the
> > Christian vandals would not ever see them or recognize them to
> > vandalize them, and, especially if they are very large, there may
> > be a few still there lying face down and pehaps even a few more
> > here in decent condition, inland near heights near rivers.
> >
> > BTW, Predicting what is to be found and where, and then having it
> > found there, is called *science*.
> >
> > A few marginal perspectives:
> >
> > The Biblical story of Jonah probably relates to the time preceding
> > this colonization. He may have been involved with shipbuilding in
> > America if he had marketable skills along those lines. When he
> > went "down" to Tarshish, "down" meant west. To Egyptians "down"
> > was north, to everyone else, west. There was an earlier
> > Tarshish, in the Levant, but there are lots of "Sun Cities"
> > including Tours in France.
> > The one in Iberia was the big deal in its day, which ended with
> > its annihilation in 400 BC. The Carthaginians took over the
> > shipbuilding business in New England, otherwise, where did they
> > get the wood to build their navy, to say nothing of merchant
> > marine? North Africa was grassland being overgrazed by sheep and
> > being turned into the desert it is today. No lumber for
> > shipbuilding.
> >
> > In the 18th century it cost *one tenth* as much to build a ship in
> > New England than it cost in England. Having suitable lumber close
> > at hand was *the* most important factor.
> >
> > Stone structures possibly relating to shipbuilding abound in New
> > England. I do not think that the Tartessians were the first, or
> > even close to the first. See Daniel Trento.
> >
> > --
> > ||/ Peace, understanding, health and happiness to all beings! ||
> > |-K ars sine scientia nihil dra@o... ||
> > ||\ David Raleigh Arnold \\ Falls Church, Virginia \\ USA ||
> --- End forwarded message ---
>
>
>

> --- In epigraphy@y..., AwenDawn@a... wrote:
> ---Dear David please read Miami Circle post. I have spent the lats
two
> years studying the Eye of Bel aka Balor Baal or Baal. When I first
saw
> the Circle the discription of it being a possible hinge facinated me
> The circle has a zodiac of unknown origin around it and in the
middle
> of the east west axis is what i see as an eyeof bel. In one of Fells
> eyes I got out of the translation the stance of the eye of the
> watchman. The eye on the axis lines up with with outerprimiter
> indentation that some would consider the heel stone position. In
Good
> Faith, AwenDawn In epigraphy@y..., David Raleigh Arnold <dra@o...>
> wrote:
> > The objects are large. The one I saw in Arlington was carved on a
> > light colored stone. One in ABC was on light colored stone. Ones
> > on dark colored stone, if any, could have had the grooves filled
> > with plaster or blackened and the rest of it whitewashed or
> > covered with light colored ash. I don't know how many have been
> > found, but they will all be large. I subscribe totally to Dr.
> > Barry Fell's interpretation of the epigraphic symbolism and
> > meaning, but I think that they were not used for a religious
> > purpose.
> >
> > A bit of background is called for. Some time well before 400 BC a
> > leading personage named Mil in the city of Tars Hesh, or Sun City,
> > which was located on the southern coast of Iberia, decided that it
> > would be better for him if the urnfield Celts moving into Iberia
> > from the north went somewhere else instead of continuing their
> > southern migration. He persuaded their chief men that they would
> > be better off going west to Ireland rather than tangling with
> > whatever mercenaries the Tartessians could hire to kill them all
> > and sell their wives and children. Ireland is a long swim from
> > what is now Galicia (Galicias are named for the Gauls=Celts) in
> > Spain, but Mil had the whales (large Tartessian oceangoing ships)
> > to take the Celts there.
> >
> > The inhabitants of Ireland, which wasn't Ireland then of course,
> > were the Tuatha De Danaan. Some have thought that Danaan referred
> > to a "lost" tribe of Israel, but there is no reason to think that
> > they were Semites, and their use of the owl as symbolic of
> > something or other suggests a Greek connection, as does the Celtic
> > tradition that these people were more civilized than the Celts
> > themselves. The Celts, while they spoke an Indo-European tongue,
> > were worshippers of Baal and Easter, (or Eoster, or Astarte, or
> > Astaroth) worshippers from way back east before they had been
> > fighting the Greeks, so they shared much of the religion of the
> > Tartessians. The Celts invaded, the Tuatha De Danaan (creampuffs
> > no doubt) were slaughtered and enslaved, and Ireland (which name
> > derives from Iberia) belonged to the Irish for a while.
> >
> > But the Celts just kept coming. So the whales started shipping
> > Celts to the east coast of North America. (They had probably been
> > trading with some of the locals for a long time, and also
> > *certainly* found it much cheaper to have ships built in what is
> > now New England than in Iberia, so they had already mapped and
> > explored some parts of the east coast thoroughly.) Of course they
> > could have shipped Celts to America first, but how efficient is
> > that?
> >
> > Like all Phoenicians (a Greek name--their name for themselves was
> > Cananiti) the Tartessians were inveterate businessmen, so part of
> > the plan to plant colonies of Celts overseas was reaping a profit
> > from the exploitation of the local resources. Planting colonies
> > well inland was sensible because it offered the colonists access
> > to the land in all directions, shortening the distance that metals
> > and skins had to be transported before loading them on a whale,
> > and it was also more convenient for shipbuilding. Defending a
> > port on the Atlantic against all comers would be a formidable
> > task, with an already proven historical record of failure, so I
> > doubt if port sites on the ocean were even considered. So the
> > desirable sites for settlement were up a river of a size to permit
> > their whales easy passage.
> >
> > History abounds with examples of enemies frustrating shore to ship
> > communications by lighting signal fires to confuse ships at sea or
> > lure them to rocks to break and loot them. When sailing, or being
> > towed by the whale's longboats, upriver at night false beacons
> > could be a serious problem. Mil or his minions developed a clever
> > solution.
> >
> > The Indian name for Minor hill in Arlington was Minideg, according
> > to a US Army civil war map. Father Dineen's Irish dictionary
> > defines a minie as "a sort of clearing". Deg, according to Dr.
> > Fell, means "temple" in this context. So, temple clearing. This
> > implies that the hill was cleared of all material which might
> > obstruct one's view of the top. For religious reasons, their
> > temples and other religious objects (or abominations, if you like)
> > were placed on hilltops. Minor hill commands (is the highest hill
> > near) the Potomac just as Ft. Putnam commands the Hudson.
> >
> > The Eye of Baal was placed near or at the top of the hill, facing
> > the most useful direction. A fire was built near the foot of it
> > or its supports to illuminate it. Then two more fires were lit,
> > forming an equilateral triangle with sides of a standard
> > horizontal distance. The eye ensured the authenticity of the
> > beacon to viewers from a great distance. Also, by tying three
> > sharpened sticks together so that the points formed an equilateral
> > triangle, tying a long string to it and attaching the other end to
> > a flat reel made of four sticks tied together, two at a calibrated
> > distance from each other, one could make a simple instrument that
> > could easily and quite accurately calculate the linear distance to
> > the hill from anywhere that you could see the fires, in almost
> > total darkness if need be. A pointer attached to the triangle
> > could give excellent orientation as well, because you could see
> > which fire was illuminating the Eye. (The magnetic compass of the
> > time involved floating a lodestone on liquid. Using a light to
> > see it at night might not be a good idea.)
> >
> > So, were there Eyes of Baal in Ireland? I don't know whether or
> > not the topography or other conditions were suitable, but it may
> > be that Eyes of Baal there were too big to break up. Also, they
> > may have been tipped over by the Irish themselves and even slid
> > downhill when they were deemed of no more use or
> > counterproductive. It may be that natural forces tipped them over
> > also. All kinds of things could have happened so that the
> > Christian vandals would not ever see them or recognize them to
> > vandalize them, and, especially if they are very large, there may
> > be a few still there lying face down and pehaps even a few more
> > here in decent condition, inland near heights near rivers.
> >
> > BTW, Predicting what is to be found and where, and then having it
> > found there, is called *science*.
> >
> > A few marginal perspectives:
> >
> > The Biblical story of Jonah probably relates to the time preceding
> > this colonization. He may have been involved with shipbuilding in
> > America if he had marketable skills along those lines. When he
> > went "down" to Tarshish, "down" meant west. To Egyptians "down"
> > was north, to everyone else, west. There was an earlier
> > Tarshish, in the Levant, but t

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