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i am not going to complain about the judging. but i do believe that the "NDT panel " in reg should have been in Champ and the Champ panel should have been in Reg LD except the flow i had in Finals( he told me i reminded him of (Calderwood,lol) and by no means think that i am complaining about how the tourney was ran because it was one of the better tournaments i have been to in a while.

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Vivienne Creamer (enough said, but she debated for Oak Park and i believe debates for Truman State... i think)

Bobby French ( debates for UMKC and former debater for Truman)

Danielle Bender(debated under Doug Miller at Winnetonka, Knows her crap)

Reg:

Myself

Drew Scott ( debated for a couple years at Fort and keeps a nice flow)

Doug Miller ( 4 time qualifier in extemp placed at nats in extemp has flowed many Nat rounds, and asst debate coach at fort, was coach at Winnetonka) keeps an AMAZING flow

Is this even close to related to anything we were just talking about? Did anyone ever contest that the finals panels at Fort Osage didn't have flows? I'm very confused. Is there any point to this post? Is there any point to me writing this response? Who knows? Not me, that's for sure.

against tomik/adler in finals 2 lays and Velker (2-1, and of course north picked up the flow)

it really hurt my soul to watch that happen over the span of 4 and a half hours

to clarify:

Zach you were in quarters and you know that we had one experienced policy judge, one lay, and grogan. Then in sims we had a coach, Mitch, and Mr. Calderwood. The fact that Collin and I could win college judges in pre-lims and flow and lay judges in out rounds just proves that we can adapt to judge styles.

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Zach you were in quarters and you know that we had one experienced policy judge, one lay, and grogan. Then in sims we had a coach, Mitch, and Mr. Calderwood. The fact that Collin and I could win college judges in pre-lims and flow and lay judges in out rounds just proves that we can adapt to judge styles.

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3) No one should contend that Fort O wasn't a good tournament judging wise (not that I believe anyone has truly questioned its validity) but that maybe the whole dirty judging thing is a touchy issue...

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People give Pattonville a lot of shit, but Jen and Collin were the only team I saw all weekend doing comparative impact analysis and making distinctions between offense and defense. Plus they, uh, won the damn tournament. Hate their coach if you want, but those two were pretty damn good when I saw them.

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People give Pattonville a lot of shit, but Jen and Collin were the only team I saw all weekend doing comparative impact analysis and making distinctions between offense and defense. Plus they, uh, won the damn tournament. Hate their coach if you want, but those two were pretty damn good when I saw them.