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It's cool, but there are far too many Vintage Vehicles I'd rather see: Land Shark, Bashasayrus, Road Ripper, Dragon Walker, Attack Track, Starship Eternian even, if we want to get big...

Not to sound like a creepy cheerleader for Uki, but it's nice to know there is at least one person on this forum who is extremely positive & friendly all the time. I don't think I could be that nice even if you paid me. If we ever give out awards for "forum member of the month", Uki gets my vote. -Mr. Shokoti

If the toy could seat two people, would it be close to the same size as Castle Grayskull?

Nope. It'd be roughly as long as the Wind Raider, but a bit than the width of one figure wider (I don't think the wings are quite as long, so the overall wingspan increases less), and a bit taller (mostly because it's enclosed). $50-60 rather than $40, I suppose.

(Even a proper-scale Collector would be something like a third of the size of a proper MotUC Castle Grayskull!)

I don't know that this one would make sense as a toy. Is there a windshield that the figure can be seen through? These larger ships become more like a playset than a vehicle. I'd almost rather go with Emiliano's RGD suggestion of doing Hot Wheels type toys for all of the random Filmation vehicles. . . hopefully we could get a bunch.

Nope. It'd be roughly as long as the Wind Raider, but a bit than the width of one figure wider (I don't think the wings are quite as long, so the overall wingspan increases less), and a bit taller (mostly because it's enclosed). $50-60 rather than $40, I suppose.

(Even a proper-scale Collector would be something like a third of the size of a proper MotUC Castle Grayskull!)

Oh, I thought you meant to keep the two-seater. Shrunk down to one it'd be more manageable, but I think it could lose some of its outside proportions. I'll have a better feel for it when I can see the WR in person. I think I'd like a Batnik at the scale first though.

By "Proper" are you talking scaled down for the toys? Because my idea of proper is close-to-show-accurate, and for that a proper Collector multiplied by three would make CG awful big (granted CG would need to be the size of a standard living room to really be the right size for the figures, but I know that's not realistic).

Oh, I thought you meant to keep the two-seater. Shrunk down to one it'd be more manageable, but I think it could lose some of its outside proportions. I'll have a better feel for it when I can see the WR in person.

I meant to keep it as a two-person craft

Originally Posted by gbagok

I think I'd like a Batnik at the scale first though.

Remember - Batniks were the Cylon Raiders of the Horde - no pilots!

Originally Posted by gbagok

By "Proper" are you talking scaled down for the toys? Because my idea of proper is close-to-show-accurate, and for that a proper Collector multiplied by three would make CG awful big (granted CG would need to be the size of a standard living room to really be the right size for the figures, but I know that's not realistic).

I meant show-accurate, but there's some tolerance in that. Probably easier to show than explain - see the bottom-right in this rough chart of sizes:

I think, taking out the pipe to trap MEF in, Skeletor's throne, etc, you could jam something like 15 male MotUC figures in a properly-scaled Collector (remembering that MotUC figures have different proportions to Filmation characters - the latter were designed by rotoscoping actual musclemen, whereas MotUC takes the... breadth... of the characters a bit beyond reality!)

Originally Posted by Big Country

Honestly, nobody thought as a kid "why in the HELL does all of his stuff have to have his FACE on it???" Nobody thought that?

And yet, you're fine with the MotUC Horde logo, which has Hordak's face right in the middle of it? [The Filmation Horde symbol was more abstract and so *didn't* look like Hordak.]

Originally Posted by Big Country

Ditto Decepticon ships and Megatron.

Only because Soundwave dibbed it first! [Seriously, the G1 Decepticon sigil was designed after Soundwave for some reason. The G1 Autobot symbol was after Prowl, but that's less obvious and they keep introing unseen-but-important characters with more blatant Autobot-faces]

I commend your work, although I was definitely perceiving it on the bigger scale for the show than in your mock up (I'd seen it more like one of the Runabouts from Star Trek Deep Space Nine). Sizing it down from where I was would be the only way, and I didn't really think two-seaters would be possible. With the scale you have in mind, I think your $60 estimate could be optimistic factoring in the wingspan and the height/enclosure, but if the Horsemen can make it according to your vision and keep it's cost down, that will be a wonderful vehicle to own.

RE Batniks, oh yes I know they were flying robots, but I'd still want space for either a robot pilot figure (interpreting "no pilots" to mean no living pilot), a Horde Trooper, or at least a passenger for the auto-pilot. So that would be more Windraider sized than what you've got going for the Annihilator.

That Collector, while smaller than the show's Grayskull, looks about as big as the vintage CG and I honestly cannot yet envision MOTUC's bigger CG yet. If it were the scale in your picture...I KNOW I would't have space for it! It's not the living room, but it's darned near half of it!