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He shouldn't be concerned with the conventional thought behind what length technically constitutes an EP. It should just be the length that feels right. Who cares if the (no longer relevant) industry standard dictates that EPs are traditionally under 25 minutes – by that logic, Add Violence isn't an EP.

He shouldn't be concerned with the conventional thought behind what length technically constitutes an EP. It should just be the length that feels right. Who cares if the (no longer relevant) industry standard dictates that EPs are traditionally under 25 minutes – by that logic, Add Violence isn't an EP.

I was actually going to remark this.
It is true. And I think the same. I couldn't care less about the time.
But let's say 7 tracks under 35 minutes, mostly of it constituting of the average track length in the two previous EPs.
Trent would definitely make up for the delay.

5 NIN songs in 2016 along with Before the Flood soundtrack AND unreleased Fragile tracks
5 NIN songs in 2017 along with Patriots Day & Vietnam soundtracks (and the Vietnam soundtrack is amazing)
5? NIN songs in 2018 along with a tour and who knows what else?

So he missed getting the 3rd EP out by a few months...considering the quality of the output over the last few years, I'm pretty satisfied so far!!

Totally! I am so happy Trent is the most prolific he's ever been lately, and I know it sounds whiny as fuck to complain about stuff like this. It's the curse of expectation, though. I described NTAE as the NIN I had been waiting for since 2002, so my expectation for "two major works" was at least one, potentially two full-length albums in the vein of NTAE, but instead we got a second EP which is aesthetically completely different (though I also love the shit out of it), and a third EP which seemed like was nothing more than some notes in a notebook as of the last time he mentioned it.

And yes, I love the soundtrack work, and I'm very glad they're always taking on new projects, but there's something about a full length Nine Inch Nails album that nothing else can replace, you know?

Totally! I am so happy Trent is the most prolific he's ever been lately, and I know it sounds whiny as fuck to complain about stuff like this. It's the curse of expectation, though. I described NTAE as the NIN I had been waiting for since 2002, so my expectation for "two major works" was at least one, potentially two full-length albums in the vein of NTAE, but instead we got a second EP which is aesthetically completely different (though I also love the shit out of it), and a third EP which seemed like was nothing more than some notes in a notebook as of the last time he mentioned it.

And yes, I love the soundtrack work, and I'm very glad they're always taking on new projects, but there's something about a full length Nine Inch Nails album that nothing else can replace, you know?

Yeah, this EP experiment has been fun and songs like these might not have happened otherwise, but I do hope they do a full-length album next and hopefully we don't have to wait until 2022 to get it! I would LOVE more music like NTAE – it's also my favorite NIN release in a long time.

I think these 3 EPs will set the grounds for the next album - how it will sound.
Trent will read about what is pleasing fans most - and of course - the three EPs are actually fine by him.
I think it's an experiment for the next full length 16 song album.
Have you ever imagined a "NTAE"-like FULL LENGTH?
But I believe there will be a great deal of AV lovers as well...

I think these 3 EPs will set the grounds for the next album - how it will sound.Trent will read about what is pleasing fans most - and of course - the three EPs are actually fine by him.
I think it's an experiment for the next full length 16 song album.
Have you ever imagined a "NTAE"-like FULL LENGTH?
But I believe there will be a great deal of AV lovers as well...

How can you know that? This tells us nothing about what stage they're at with the mixing. Or does it?

The fact that its being mixed, i was (dreamfully hoping) to lognin and see the new ep has dropped anyday now.
Its not sitting on a harddrive in Trents office waiting for him to click upload and release.
The wait is painful . Im fine waiting if nothing has been announced but dont give me a eta and then drag that out.

Edit; im not complaining. Ep could take another year and ill be happy when it releases. Im a Tool fan .
To me, no news (till theres real news aka concrete release date ), is good news.

Next album could be a collab between Brittany Spears and Lady Gaga. It will please many. Probably alot more than any previous release. Please the hardcore fans? Nope. But the charts would eat it up for a few weeks till the next pop song was pushed onto radio charts

i found it very pleasing (especially the second half). I outgrew my "all music must be loud and heavy and weird to be good" phase years ago

Originally Posted by the_tic_begins

Please who? Who is us.
Many a "die hard" Nin fan enjoyed HM.

Next album could be a collab between Brittany Spears and Lady Gaga. It will please many. Probably alot more than any previous release. Please the hardcore fans? Nope. But the charts would eat it up for a few weeks till the next pop song was pushed onto radio charts

HM can be good without its being labeled as a record that aimed to please. It had some TDS throwbacks, which can be interpreted as pleasing the fans, but overall, it was a NIN-lite/alternative-HTDA record. Over the years, the biggest asset of HM has became not as bad as some may imply, which is probably true, but hardly makes it a contender for being among the best, or even to be called a fanbase pleaser. Anecdotal arguments like "I, for one, liked it a lot" doesn't really mean much; I don't hate it either, but these last two EPs were numerous times bigger fan pleasers than HM.

HM can be good without its being labeled as a record that aimed to please. It had some TDS throwbacks, which can be interpreted as pleasing the fans, but overall, it was a NIN-lite/alternative-HTDA record. Over the years, the biggest asset of HM has became not as bad as some may imply, which is probably true, but hardly makes it a contender for being among the best, or even to be called a fanbase pleaser. Anecdotal arguments like "I, for one, liked it a lot" doesn't really mean much; I don't hate it either, but these last two EPs were numerous times bigger fan pleasers than HM.

On the flip side, arguments like "I, for one, didn't like it," or "I, for one, thought it was a NIN-lite/alternative-HTDA record" don't really mean much either. It's all subjective and while opinions can be popular or unpopular, none are truly "wrong." I personally really liked HM and consider it to be a strong album (stronger than The Slip and maybe even With Teeth IMO). It's certainly a polarizing album, but I do agree with you that these new EPs are collectively superior to HM.