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If funding was provided before and is now being withdrawn but will not lead to job losses, what was the soon-to-be-ceased funding used for? Are councils making up the new shortfall or what? Does not compute -- or I am far more stupid than even I previously realised. Someone please explain as am not able to grasp this at all, based on what's currently contained in the news article.

If funding was provided before and is now being withdrawn but will not lead to job losses, what was the soon-to-be-ceased funding used for? Are councils making up the new shortfall or what? Does not compute -- or I am far more stupid than even I previously realised. Someone please explain as am not able to grasp this at all, based on what's currently contained in the news article.Leon__

Jack222 wrote:
Fair enough. It's an age of austerity. And I'm not convinced PCSO actually achieve anything. Save the money for the professional force.

It make the pubic feel safe, seeing them ride about on their bikes in uniform.

[quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote:
Fair enough. It's an age of austerity. And I'm not convinced PCSO actually achieve anything. Save the money for the professional force.[/p][/quote]It make the pubic feel safe, seeing them ride about on their bikes in uniform.supermadmax

Didn't the scribe responsible for putting this story up for publication even think to pre-empt the very obvious questions that any intelligent the readers would be asking?

Lamentable journalism. It just gets worse!

I totally agree with Leon_
This report is utter gobblygook!
Didn't the scribe responsible for putting this story up for publication even think to pre-empt the very obvious questions that any intelligent the readers would be asking?
Lamentable journalism. It just gets worse!OMPITA [Intl]

pembury53 wrote:
they don't seem to do that much.......... i would prefer the money was spent on dog wardens....... the more the better, hundreds preferably.....

Double the PCSO's as Dog wardens ...fine all the ones that have their dogs off leads when they are meant to be on leads and crack down on dogs muck everywhere, a 2 for 1 type of thing, collecting fines might help pay for themselves.

[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote:
they don't seem to do that much.......... i would prefer the money was spent on dog wardens....... the more the better, hundreds preferably.....[/p][/quote]Double the PCSO's as Dog wardens ...fine all the ones that have their dogs off leads when they are meant to be on leads and crack down on dogs muck everywhere, a 2 for 1 type of thing, collecting fines might help pay for themselves.DogsMessInLeigh

PCSOs are far from being value for money and have no more powers, or effectiveness, than "ordinary" members of the public who have been made to wear a uniform. For the price of ten PCSOs we could have five or six fully trained, fully functional, REAL police constables patrolling our streets. I would feel a lot safer with five extra PCs patrolling the streets than ten PCSOs, any day.

PCSOs are far from being value for money and have no more powers, or effectiveness, than "ordinary" members of the public who have been made to wear a uniform. For the price of ten PCSOs we could have five or six fully trained, fully functional, REAL police constables patrolling our streets. I would feel a lot safer with five extra PCs patrolling the streets than ten PCSOs, any day.emcee

Leon__ wrote:
If funding was provided before and is now being withdrawn but will not lead to job losses, what was the soon-to-be-ceased funding used for? Are councils making up the new shortfall or what? Does not compute -- or I am far more stupid than even I previously realised. Someone please explain as am not able to grasp this at all, based on what's currently contained in the news article.

Maybe they are going on half pay?

[quote][p][bold]Leon__[/bold] wrote:
If funding was provided before and is now being withdrawn but will not lead to job losses, what was the soon-to-be-ceased funding used for? Are councils making up the new shortfall or what? Does not compute -- or I am far more stupid than even I previously realised. Someone please explain as am not able to grasp this at all, based on what's currently contained in the news article.[/p][/quote]Maybe they are going on half pay?LastLaugh2

Bobbies on the beat, lots of em and NO POLITICAL INTERFERENCE.. The police are too political these days and far too likely to listen to "friends in high places" - usually Labour, who think they still control everything.

The police used to command respect but since lefties started infiltrating the system they have become too politicised.

Take the Duggan affair. That's another Stephen Lawrence situation in the making and will no doubt culminate in Duggan's "spokeswoman" aunt being given a seat in the House of Lords.

The House of Lords is full of the most unmentionable and undeserving individuals nowadays, particularly those who have always objected to it and are then happy to accept a title.

The system if full of corruption and hypocrisy and wants clearing out.

I hope people vote sensibly in the next general election and I certainly hope usual idiots do not vote Labour back in, not that the Tories are any better.

The political system is corrupt and we need to demand better from our politicians.

The police problem won't go away until that happens.

I have never agreed with the PCSO scheme.
Bobbies on the beat, lots of em and NO POLITICAL INTERFERENCE.. The police are too political these days and far too likely to listen to "friends in high places" - usually Labour, who think they still control everything.
The police used to command respect but since lefties started infiltrating the system they have become too politicised.
Take the Duggan affair. That's another Stephen Lawrence situation in the making and will no doubt culminate in Duggan's "spokeswoman" aunt being given a seat in the House of Lords.
The House of Lords is full of the most unmentionable and undeserving individuals nowadays, particularly those who have always objected to it and are then happy to accept a title.
The system if full of corruption and hypocrisy and wants clearing out.
I hope people vote sensibly in the next general election and I certainly hope usual idiots do not vote Labour back in, not that the Tories are any better.
The political system is corrupt and we need to demand better from our politicians.
The police problem won't go away until that happens.Kim Gandy

Jack222 wrote:
Fair enough. It's an age of austerity. And I'm not convinced PCSO actually achieve anything. Save the money for the professional force.

It make the pubic feel safe, seeing them ride about on their bikes in uniform.

Can't remember the last time I saw one.

[quote][p][bold]supermadmax[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Jack222[/bold] wrote:
Fair enough. It's an age of austerity. And I'm not convinced PCSO actually achieve anything. Save the money for the professional force.[/p][/quote]It make the pubic feel safe, seeing them ride about on their bikes in uniform.[/p][/quote]Can't remember the last time I saw one.Ritchie_Hicks

I don't think Alan Turing could prove that X-X/2 = X so I am with you Leon on this.
However what the PCSO's actually did is beyond me. They seemed to spend most of their time patrolling and sorting out problems in the caravan parks rather than being seen and doing things in the villages that funded them.
As for "The withdrawal of match-funding will mean more flexibility for the force in the deployment of staff to meet operational requirements." can we read this as meaning "Sorry, we will sort out the drunken louts knocking seven bells out of each other in Clacton first rather than sending someone out to sort out the group of youths vandalising beyond repair the cricket nets, and then only sending out an officer 6 days later to ask what was witnessed..." Or "Ok you've had your kids bikes nicked (one being the savings over 10 years from Christmas/Birthdays from grandparents and had a pretty unique paint job) you'll just get a letter in the post and only come out when you report something else has been nicked a few months later... ".

I don't think Alan Turing could prove that X-X/2 = X so I am with you Leon on this.
However what the PCSO's actually did is beyond me. They seemed to spend most of their time patrolling and sorting out problems in the caravan parks rather than being seen and doing things in the villages that funded them.
As for "The withdrawal of match-funding will mean more flexibility for the force in the deployment of staff to meet operational requirements." can we read this as meaning "Sorry, we will sort out the drunken louts knocking seven bells out of each other in Clacton first rather than sending someone out to sort out the group of youths vandalising beyond repair the cricket nets, and then only sending out an officer 6 days later to ask what was witnessed..." Or "Ok you've had your kids bikes nicked (one being the savings over 10 years from Christmas/Birthdays from grandparents and had a pretty unique paint job) you'll just get a letter in the post and only come out when you report something else has been nicked a few months later... ".Scoot

Bobbies on the beat, lots of em and NO POLITICAL INTERFERENCE.. The police are too political these days and far too likely to listen to &quot;friends in high places" - usually Labour, who think they still control everything.

The police used to command respect but since lefties started infiltrating the system they have become too politicised.

Take the Duggan affair. That's another Stephen Lawrence situation in the making and will no doubt culminate in Duggan's "spokeswoman" aunt being given a seat in the House of Lords.

The House of Lords is full of the most unmentionable and undeserving individuals nowadays, particularly those who have always objected to it and are then happy to accept a title.

The system if full of corruption and hypocrisy and wants clearing out.

I hope people vote sensibly in the next general election and I certainly hope usual idiots do not vote Labour back in, not that the Tories are any better.

The political system is corrupt and we need to demand better from our politicians.

The police problem won't go away until that happens.

Bloody right, Kim, it's political correctness gone mad, is what it is. The police shooting of Duggan, is clear proof that lefties have taken over the police. It's getting so bad, soon the police won't get away with shooting dead unarmed black men, because the PC brigade will say it infringes the rights of these immigrants.

Kim Gandy, mad? You only have to look at her to she's as sane as I am. Bah (she's worth a google if you really want to look at her).

[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote:
I have never agreed with the PCSO scheme.
Bobbies on the beat, lots of em and NO POLITICAL INTERFERENCE.. The police are too political these days and far too likely to listen to "friends in high places" - usually Labour, who think they still control everything.
The police used to command respect but since lefties started infiltrating the system they have become too politicised.
Take the Duggan affair. That's another Stephen Lawrence situation in the making and will no doubt culminate in Duggan's "spokeswoman" aunt being given a seat in the House of Lords.
The House of Lords is full of the most unmentionable and undeserving individuals nowadays, particularly those who have always objected to it and are then happy to accept a title.
The system if full of corruption and hypocrisy and wants clearing out.
I hope people vote sensibly in the next general election and I certainly hope usual idiots do not vote Labour back in, not that the Tories are any better.
The political system is corrupt and we need to demand better from our politicians.
The police problem won't go away until that happens.[/p][/quote]Bloody right, Kim, it's political correctness gone mad, is what it is. The police shooting of Duggan, is clear proof that lefties have taken over the police. It's getting so bad, soon the police won't get away with shooting dead unarmed black men, because the PC brigade will say it infringes the rights of these immigrants.
Kim Gandy, mad? You only have to look at her to she's as sane as I am. Bah (she's worth a google if you really want to look at her).Mail Member 4 Colchester

As I understand things it costs £1.5M to run Nick Alston’s office, with the Chief Constable on £200,000 a year pay let alone the other costs relating to his employment. Get rid of the Nick Alston’s and the other PCC’s posts; have one senior management team for the Suffolk, Norfolk, and Essex Police Forces and spend the resulting saving on real Police Constables. I have to agree that the loss of PCSO’s wont impact much on anything.

As I understand things it costs £1.5M to run Nick Alston’s office, with the Chief Constable on £200,000 a year pay let alone the other costs relating to his employment. Get rid of the Nick Alston’s and the other PCC’s posts; have one senior management team for the Suffolk, Norfolk, and Essex Police Forces and spend the resulting saving on real Police Constables. I have to agree that the loss of PCSO’s wont impact much on anything.blockpaver

pembury53 wrote: they don't seem to do that much.......... i would prefer the money was spent on dog wardens....... the more the better, hundreds preferably.....

Double the PCSO's as Dog wardens ...fine all the ones that have their dogs off leads when they are meant to be on leads and crack down on dogs muck everywhere, a 2 for 1 type of thing, collecting fines might help pay for themselves.

yep, i'm with that...

[quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: they don't seem to do that much.......... i would prefer the money was spent on dog wardens....... the more the better, hundreds preferably.....[/p][/quote]Double the PCSO's as Dog wardens ...fine all the ones that have their dogs off leads when they are meant to be on leads and crack down on dogs muck everywhere, a 2 for 1 type of thing, collecting fines might help pay for themselves.[/p][/quote]yep, i'm with that...pembury53

pembury53 wrote: they don't seem to do that much.......... i would prefer the money was spent on dog wardens....... the more the better, hundreds preferably.....

Double the PCSO's as Dog wardens ...fine all the ones that have their dogs off leads when they are meant to be on leads and crack down on dogs muck everywhere, a 2 for 1 type of thing, collecting fines might help pay for themselves.

yep, i'm with that...

Agreed!

[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]DogsMessInLeigh[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]pembury53[/bold] wrote: they don't seem to do that much.......... i would prefer the money was spent on dog wardens....... the more the better, hundreds preferably.....[/p][/quote]Double the PCSO's as Dog wardens ...fine all the ones that have their dogs off leads when they are meant to be on leads and crack down on dogs muck everywhere, a 2 for 1 type of thing, collecting fines might help pay for themselves.[/p][/quote]yep, i'm with that...[/p][/quote]Agreed!Ritchie_Hicks

Wow Fantastic, trouble is your oh so right, they were brought in by David Blunkett, with zero powers, they are an insult to the real Police

[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh2[/bold] wrote:
P C S O = POLICE CHEAP SKATE OPTION[/p][/quote]Wow Fantastic, trouble is your oh so right, they were brought in by David Blunkett, with zero powers, they are an insult to the real PoliceNowthatsworthknowing

Leon__ wrote:
If funding was provided before and is now being withdrawn but will not lead to job losses, what was the soon-to-be-ceased funding used for? Are councils making up the new shortfall or what? Does not compute -- or I am far more stupid than even I previously realised. Someone please explain as am not able to grasp this at all, based on what's currently contained in the news article.

The report clearly states that the Police will no longer accept part-funding and will fund PCSOs themselves, thus enabling them to decide on PCSO deployment, rather than having to place them where councils want them.
The headline doesn't state that funding is withdrawn, it says that is match funding and the article explains that.

[quote][p][bold]Leon__[/bold] wrote:
If funding was provided before and is now being withdrawn but will not lead to job losses, what was the soon-to-be-ceased funding used for? Are councils making up the new shortfall or what? Does not compute -- or I am far more stupid than even I previously realised. Someone please explain as am not able to grasp this at all, based on what's currently contained in the news article.[/p][/quote]The report clearly states that the Police will no longer accept part-funding and will fund PCSOs themselves, thus enabling them to decide on PCSO deployment, rather than having to place them where councils want them.
The headline doesn't state that funding is withdrawn, it says that is match funding and the article explains that.maddriver

Bloody right, Kim, it's political correctness gone mad, is what it is. The police shooting of Duggan, is clear proof that lefties have taken over the police. It's getting so bad, soon the police won't get away with shooting dead unarmed black men, because the PC brigade will say it infringes the rights of these immigrants.

Mark Duggan wasn't an immigrant - he was born here. A violent criminal though. He got his just desserts. (IMHO of course)

Even David Lammy is keeping well away from all the nutters who have hi-jacked the bandwagon.

Bloody right, Kim, it's political correctness gone mad, is what it is. The police shooting of Duggan, is clear proof that lefties have taken over the police. It's getting so bad, soon the police won't get away with shooting dead unarmed black men, because the PC brigade will say it infringes the rights of these immigrants.
Mark Duggan wasn't an immigrant - he was born here. A violent criminal though. He got his just desserts. (IMHO of course)
Even David Lammy is keeping well away from all the nutters who have hi-jacked the bandwagon.RochfordRob

They are know in the rank and file as the Milky Bar Kids...unfortunately a lot of the posts have been taken up by retiring Policeman who wish to stress down grade
Money can be save by getting rid of the Chief Constable & Commissioner
We only need one Chief Officer to run all the forces in East Anglia & One Commissioner.
It is a ceremonious complete waste of public money to have all this scrambled egg, sitting around pontificating this that and the other 24/7 at £250,000 a time.
:::That is ten full time bobbies on the beat, for one leather chair backside shiner!!!
The jobs not that great they are basically low grade business management oppos with experience in bean counting...
(A bit like Henry Ford...he used to sit at his desk and push buttons on the table.
Each button was linked to a person in a specialist field to answer his questions, when he wanted to know about paint jobs, Ford pushed the paint job button exec!)
They cant see sense themselves when he retires he will be getting £167,000 per year do you think anyone is worth that...?????
as for PCSO'S WASTE OF TIME THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED EVERYONE HAS POWERS OF ARREST SIMILAR TO THAT ITS IN THE MAGNA CARTA

They are know in the rank and file as the Milky Bar Kids...unfortunately a lot of the posts have been taken up by retiring Policeman who wish to stress down grade
Money can be save by getting rid of the Chief Constable & Commissioner
We only need one Chief Officer to run all the forces in East Anglia & One Commissioner.
It is a ceremonious complete waste of public money to have all this scrambled egg, sitting around pontificating this that and the other 24/7 at £250,000 a time.
:::That is ten full time bobbies on the beat, for one leather chair backside shiner!!!
The jobs not that great they are basically low grade business management oppos with experience in bean counting...
(A bit like Henry Ford...he used to sit at his desk and push buttons on the table.
Each button was linked to a person in a specialist field to answer his questions, when he wanted to know about paint jobs, Ford pushed the paint job button exec!)
They cant see sense themselves when he retires he will be getting £167,000 per year do you think anyone is worth that...?????
as for PCSO'S WASTE OF TIME THEIR DAYS ARE NUMBERED EVERYONE HAS POWERS OF ARREST SIMILAR TO THAT ITS IN THE MAGNA CARTATheBrotherhoodOfTheBell

There are some PCSOs who really are very good. Genuinely committed to enhancing the safety and well being of the neighborhood within which they operate. We are fortunate to actually have such a specimen in our area. I have the greatest regard for her. She does not have an easy job, but she (very bravely) throws herself at it with total enthusiasm. There is no doubt that she is a welcome asset to the (law abiding) members of the community

Unfortunately I fear that she represents a significantly small minority. There are some whom I almost doubt whether they are real. The way they slouch about with ill-fitting hats stupidly perched on the backs of their heads; carrying shopping bags and even eating whilst on patrol they look more like Stan Butler and Arthur Rudge from 'On the Buses' than 'Officers of the Law' - choke!

I for one certainly wouldn't have much confidence in approaching them as I would a bona-fidé Police Constable.

We should retain the few good ones and train them up to be proper coppers - as for the rest? 'Pembury 53', 'DogsMessInLeigh' and 'emcee' have said it all!

There are some PCSOs who really are very good. Genuinely committed to enhancing the safety and well being of the neighborhood within which they operate. We are fortunate to actually have such a specimen in our area. I have the greatest regard for her. She does not have an easy job, but she (very bravely) throws herself at it with total enthusiasm. There is no doubt that she is a welcome asset to the (law abiding) members of the community
Unfortunately I fear that she represents a significantly small minority. There are some whom I almost doubt whether they are real. The way they slouch about with ill-fitting hats stupidly perched on the backs of their heads; carrying shopping bags and even eating whilst on patrol they look more like Stan Butler and Arthur Rudge from 'On the Buses' than 'Officers of the Law' - choke!
I for one certainly wouldn't have much confidence in approaching them as I would a bona-fidé Police Constable.
We should retain the few good ones and train them up to be proper coppers - as for the rest? 'Pembury 53', 'DogsMessInLeigh' and 'emcee' have said it all!OMPITA [Intl]

Check out the fine work that PCSO do in the article in todays Daily Mail
http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/news/article-
2538247/PCSO-accused
-rape-blackmail-Civi
lian-police-officer-
targeted-prostitutes
.htmlI See It All

RochfordRob wrote:
Bloody right, Kim, it's political correctness gone mad, is what it is. The police shooting of Duggan, is clear proof that lefties have taken over the police. It's getting so bad, soon the police won't get away with shooting dead unarmed black men, because the PC brigade will say it infringes the rights of these immigrants.

Mark Duggan wasn't an immigrant - he was born here. A violent criminal though. He got his just desserts. (IMHO of course)

Even David Lammy is keeping well away from all the nutters who have hi-jacked the bandwagon.

Course he was an immigrant, and I say the country's full. Send them all back, the Bulgarians, Romanians, West Indians, Jews, Huguenots, Normans, Saxons, Romans, it's time to go home!

[quote][p][bold]RochfordRob[/bold] wrote:
Bloody right, Kim, it's political correctness gone mad, is what it is. The police shooting of Duggan, is clear proof that lefties have taken over the police. It's getting so bad, soon the police won't get away with shooting dead unarmed black men, because the PC brigade will say it infringes the rights of these immigrants.
Mark Duggan wasn't an immigrant - he was born here. A violent criminal though. He got his just desserts. (IMHO of course)
Even David Lammy is keeping well away from all the nutters who have hi-jacked the bandwagon.[/p][/quote]Course he was an immigrant, and I say the country's full. Send them all back, the Bulgarians, Romanians, West Indians, Jews, Huguenots, Normans, Saxons, Romans, it's time to go home!Mail Member 4 Colchester

I forgot the Vikings, I really hate those bloody Vikings, coming over and being 25 bedroom council houses and a thousand pounds a week in benefits. It's political correctness gone mad, is what it is.

I forgot the Vikings, I really hate those bloody Vikings, coming over and being 25 bedroom council houses and a thousand pounds a week in benefits. It's political correctness gone mad, is what it is.Mail Member 4 Colchester

Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
I forgot the Vikings, I really hate those bloody Vikings, coming over and being 25 bedroom council houses and a thousand pounds a week in benefits. It's political correctness gone mad, is what it is.

Yawn....

[quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote:
I forgot the Vikings, I really hate those bloody Vikings, coming over and being 25 bedroom council houses and a thousand pounds a week in benefits. It's political correctness gone mad, is what it is.[/p][/quote]Yawn....Alekhine

Bobbies on the beat, lots of em and NO POLITICAL INTERFERENCE.. The police are too political these days and far too likely to listen to &quot;friends in high places" - usually Labour, who think they still control everything.

The police used to command respect but since lefties started infiltrating the system they have become too politicised.

Take the Duggan affair. That's another Stephen Lawrence situation in the making and will no doubt culminate in Duggan's "spokeswoman" aunt being given a seat in the House of Lords.

The House of Lords is full of the most unmentionable and undeserving individuals nowadays, particularly those who have always objected to it and are then happy to accept a title.

The system if full of corruption and hypocrisy and wants clearing out.

I hope people vote sensibly in the next general election and I certainly hope usual idiots do not vote Labour back in, not that the Tories are any better.

The political system is corrupt and we need to demand better from our politicians.

The police problem won't go away until that happens.

not quite sure how your seeing a connection between mark duggan and stephen lawrence??

[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote:
I have never agreed with the PCSO scheme.
Bobbies on the beat, lots of em and NO POLITICAL INTERFERENCE.. The police are too political these days and far too likely to listen to "friends in high places" - usually Labour, who think they still control everything.
The police used to command respect but since lefties started infiltrating the system they have become too politicised.
Take the Duggan affair. That's another Stephen Lawrence situation in the making and will no doubt culminate in Duggan's "spokeswoman" aunt being given a seat in the House of Lords.
The House of Lords is full of the most unmentionable and undeserving individuals nowadays, particularly those who have always objected to it and are then happy to accept a title.
The system if full of corruption and hypocrisy and wants clearing out.
I hope people vote sensibly in the next general election and I certainly hope usual idiots do not vote Labour back in, not that the Tories are any better.
The political system is corrupt and we need to demand better from our politicians.
The police problem won't go away until that happens.[/p][/quote]not quite sure how your seeing a connection between mark duggan and stephen lawrence??niki-loo

Bobbies on the beat, lots of em and NO POLITICAL INTERFERENCE.. The police are too political these days and far too likely to listen to &quot;friends in high places" - usually Labour, who think they still control everything.

The police used to command respect but since lefties started infiltrating the system they have become too politicised.

Take the Duggan affair. That's another Stephen Lawrence situation in the making and will no doubt culminate in Duggan's "spokeswoman" aunt being given a seat in the House of Lords.

The House of Lords is full of the most unmentionable and undeserving individuals nowadays, particularly those who have always objected to it and are then happy to accept a title.

The system if full of corruption and hypocrisy and wants clearing out.

I hope people vote sensibly in the next general election and I certainly hope usual idiots do not vote Labour back in, not that the Tories are any better.

The political system is corrupt and we need to demand better from our politicians.

The police problem won't go away until that happens.

not quite sure how your seeing a connection between mark duggan and stephen lawrence??

[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote:
I have never agreed with the PCSO scheme.
Bobbies on the beat, lots of em and NO POLITICAL INTERFERENCE.. The police are too political these days and far too likely to listen to "friends in high places" - usually Labour, who think they still control everything.
The police used to command respect but since lefties started infiltrating the system they have become too politicised.
Take the Duggan affair. That's another Stephen Lawrence situation in the making and will no doubt culminate in Duggan's "spokeswoman" aunt being given a seat in the House of Lords.
The House of Lords is full of the most unmentionable and undeserving individuals nowadays, particularly those who have always objected to it and are then happy to accept a title.
The system if full of corruption and hypocrisy and wants clearing out.
I hope people vote sensibly in the next general election and I certainly hope usual idiots do not vote Labour back in, not that the Tories are any better.
The political system is corrupt and we need to demand better from our politicians.
The police problem won't go away until that happens.[/p][/quote]not quite sure how your seeing a connection between mark duggan and stephen lawrence??niki-loo

It will mean that there will be little or no coverage from the police in certain villages and places, such as Walton. They are already in short supply so they will now be withdrawn and utilised for the bigger areas where theey are short of police. A disgusting situation mad even worse by this Government and the penny pinching councils.

It will mean that there will be little or no coverage from the police in certain villages and places, such as Walton. They are already in short supply so they will now be withdrawn and utilised for the bigger areas where theey are short of police. A disgusting situation mad even worse by this Government and the penny pinching councils.cavillas

Bobbies on the beat, lots of em and NO POLITICAL INTERFERENCE.. The police are too political these days and far too likely to listen to &quot;friends in high places" - usually Labour, who think they still control everything.

The police used to command respect but since lefties started infiltrating the system they have become too politicised.

Take the Duggan affair. That's another Stephen Lawrence situation in the making and will no doubt culminate in Duggan's "spokeswoman" aunt being given a seat in the House of Lords.

The House of Lords is full of the most unmentionable and undeserving individuals nowadays, particularly those who have always objected to it and are then happy to accept a title.

The system if full of corruption and hypocrisy and wants clearing out.

I hope people vote sensibly in the next general election and I certainly hope usual idiots do not vote Labour back in, not that the Tories are any better.

The political system is corrupt and we need to demand better from our politicians.

The police problem won't go away until that happens.

not quite sure how your seeing a connection between mark duggan and stephen lawrence??

Not sure that any of it is relevant to an article about a change in the way PCSOs are to be funded. Amazing how some commenters seem to want to use any opportunity to put across a point of view which is not relevant.

[quote][p][bold]niki-loo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Kim Gandy[/bold] wrote:
I have never agreed with the PCSO scheme.
Bobbies on the beat, lots of em and NO POLITICAL INTERFERENCE.. The police are too political these days and far too likely to listen to "friends in high places" - usually Labour, who think they still control everything.
The police used to command respect but since lefties started infiltrating the system they have become too politicised.
Take the Duggan affair. That's another Stephen Lawrence situation in the making and will no doubt culminate in Duggan's "spokeswoman" aunt being given a seat in the House of Lords.
The House of Lords is full of the most unmentionable and undeserving individuals nowadays, particularly those who have always objected to it and are then happy to accept a title.
The system if full of corruption and hypocrisy and wants clearing out.
I hope people vote sensibly in the next general election and I certainly hope usual idiots do not vote Labour back in, not that the Tories are any better.
The political system is corrupt and we need to demand better from our politicians.
The police problem won't go away until that happens.[/p][/quote]not quite sure how your seeing a connection between mark duggan and stephen lawrence??[/p][/quote]Not sure that any of it is relevant to an article about a change in the way PCSOs are to be funded. Amazing how some commenters seem to want to use any opportunity to put across a point of view which is not relevant.maddriver

Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
I forgot the Vikings, I really hate those bloody Vikings, coming over and being 25 bedroom council houses and a thousand pounds a week in benefits. It's political correctness gone mad, is what it is.

Yawn....

Lastlaugh on holiday and this idiot is covering as head troll?

[quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote:
I forgot the Vikings, I really hate those bloody Vikings, coming over and being 25 bedroom council houses and a thousand pounds a week in benefits. It's political correctness gone mad, is what it is.[/p][/quote]Yawn....[/p][/quote]Lastlaugh on holiday and this idiot is covering as head troll?RochfordRob

Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
I forgot the Vikings, I really hate those bloody Vikings, coming over and being 25 bedroom council houses and a thousand pounds a week in benefits. It's political correctness gone mad, is what it is.

Yawn....

Lastlaugh on holiday and this idiot is covering as head troll?

Iv changed my user name to distance myself from the two clowns who mimicked my user name...if they mimic this one then a pattern has been formed and that can be used against them via the harassment act...which has provisions for both civil and criminal actions...

MM4C is not known to me but I must say his/her sarcasm is rather funny..of course not if you are the butt of it..

[quote][p][bold]RochfordRob[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote:
I forgot the Vikings, I really hate those bloody Vikings, coming over and being 25 bedroom council houses and a thousand pounds a week in benefits. It's political correctness gone mad, is what it is.[/p][/quote]Yawn....[/p][/quote]Lastlaugh on holiday and this idiot is covering as head troll?[/p][/quote]Iv changed my user name to distance myself from the two clowns who mimicked my user name...if they mimic this one then a pattern has been formed and that can be used against them via the harassment act...which has provisions for both civil and criminal actions...
MM4C is not known to me but I must say his/her sarcasm is rather funny..of course not if you are the butt of it..Lauqhlast.

Mail Member 4 Colchester wrote:
I forgot the Vikings, I really hate those bloody Vikings, coming over and being 25 bedroom council houses and a thousand pounds a week in benefits. It's political correctness gone mad, is what it is.

Yawn....

Lastlaugh on holiday and this idiot is covering as head troll?

Iv changed my user name to distance myself from the two clowns who mimicked my user name...if they mimic this one then a pattern has been formed and that can be used against them via the harassment act...which has provisions for both civil and criminal actions...

MM4C is not known to me but I must say his/her sarcasm is rather funny..of course not if you are the butt of it..

Ha

[quote][p][bold]Lauqhlast.[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]RochfordRob[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Alekhine[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Mail Member 4 Colchester[/bold] wrote:
I forgot the Vikings, I really hate those bloody Vikings, coming over and being 25 bedroom council houses and a thousand pounds a week in benefits. It's political correctness gone mad, is what it is.[/p][/quote]Yawn....[/p][/quote]Lastlaugh on holiday and this idiot is covering as head troll?[/p][/quote]Iv changed my user name to distance myself from the two clowns who mimicked my user name...if they mimic this one then a pattern has been formed and that can be used against them via the harassment act...which has provisions for both civil and criminal actions...
MM4C is not known to me but I must say his/her sarcasm is rather funny..of course not if you are the butt of it..[/p][/quote]HaNowthatsworthknowing

Bobbies on the beat, lots of em and NO POLITICAL INTERFERENCE.. The police are too political these days and far too likely to listen to &quot;friends in high places" - usually Labour, who think they still control everything."

A little surprised at that. I understood it was the raving right who put Political commanders into our Police force just a few months ago. I do not think the current mis-Government can be looked on as "lefties," so I suppose you are a remnant of the "Reds under our Beds" days, You have far more to fear from the far right than the few left wingers. Cameron has already tried once to get us into a big war in Syria, that is the type of threat you should be looking out for, not someone who believes in equality.

Kim Gandy wrote:
"I have never agreed with the PCSO scheme.
Bobbies on the beat, lots of em and NO POLITICAL INTERFERENCE.. The police are too political these days and far too likely to listen to "friends in high places" - usually Labour, who think they still control everything."
A little surprised at that. I understood it was the raving right who put Political commanders into our Police force just a few months ago. I do not think the current mis-Government can be looked on as "lefties," so I suppose you are a remnant of the "Reds under our Beds" days, You have far more to fear from the far right than the few left wingers. Cameron has already tried once to get us into a big war in Syria, that is the type of threat you should be looking out for, not someone who believes in equality.Devils Advocate

I think it is now more or less universally accepted that Blunkett made a horrendous mistake by introducing this alternative adjunct to the established method of policing. I can’t imagine however that he or anyone else in the political driving seat ever since has actually wanted the PCSO scheme to fail as (in the eyes of general public opinion) it seems to have spectacularly done so.

All the above spiteful ‘left/right’ vitriolic remarks are not germane to the real substance of this story and are clouding the issue. They are dragging this comment facility down to the cesspit level that for example can be seen in some of the West African equivalents of ‘Newsquest Readers Comments’.

If anyone wants to understand further what I am alluding I suggest they take a peek at http://www.ghanaweb.
com/GhanaHomePage/Ne
wsArchive/ and see just how virtually every news story of any nature is commandeered by low intellect morons who use it for the purposes of hurling irrelevant, hateful, indecent, spiteful and inter-tribal comments at each other. Do we really want to follow suit and sink to that abysmally low level? I think not!

The issue at the heart of the PCSO problem today is very much predicated on the quality of some of the individuals in those posts. I’ve no doubt there are those who are fully committed to the job for all the right reasons. There are some however whom I fear perhaps look upon it as ‘just a job’ and are simply not up to snuff when it comes to meeting the expectations of ‘Joe Public’.

I can’t for one moment believe that any PCSO going about his or her daily routine is in any way motivated by political leanings of either ilk. I am sure that they are (in their own way) trying to make the best of a bad situation.

I am minded to think however that some are simply not sufficiently competent and capable to perform the task that is expected of them by the public at large and in my opinion if we want officers who can robustly and effectively perform what we think are proper ‘on street’ policing functions we need proper (fully competent and capable) policemen to do it. No half-measures please.

I rest my case.

I think it is now more or less universally accepted that Blunkett made a horrendous mistake by introducing this alternative adjunct to the established method of policing. I can’t imagine however that he or anyone else in the political driving seat ever since has actually wanted the PCSO scheme to fail as (in the eyes of general public opinion) it seems to have spectacularly done so.
All the above spiteful ‘left/right’ vitriolic remarks are not germane to the real substance of this story and are clouding the issue. They are dragging this comment facility down to the cesspit level that for example can be seen in some of the West African equivalents of ‘Newsquest Readers Comments’.
If anyone wants to understand further what I am alluding I suggest they take a peek at http://www.ghanaweb.
com/GhanaHomePage/Ne
wsArchive/ and see just how virtually every news story of any nature is commandeered by low intellect morons who use it for the purposes of hurling irrelevant, hateful, indecent, spiteful and inter-tribal comments at each other. Do we really want to follow suit and sink to that abysmally low level? I think not!
The issue at the heart of the PCSO problem today is very much predicated on the quality of some of the individuals in those posts. I’ve no doubt there are those who are fully committed to the job for all the right reasons. There are some however whom I fear perhaps look upon it as ‘just a job’ and are simply not up to snuff when it comes to meeting the expectations of ‘Joe Public’.
I can’t for one moment believe that any PCSO going about his or her daily routine is in any way motivated by political leanings of either ilk. I am sure that they are (in their own way) trying to make the best of a bad situation.
I am minded to think however that some are simply not sufficiently competent and capable to perform the task that is expected of them by the public at large and in my opinion if we want officers who can robustly and effectively perform what we think are proper ‘on street’ policing functions we need proper (fully competent and capable) policemen to do it. No half-measures please.
I rest my case.OMPITA [Intl]

Bobbies on the beat, lots of em and NO POLITICAL INTERFERENCE.. The police are too political these days and far too likely to listen to "friends in high places" - usually Labour, who think they still control everything."

A little surprised at that. I understood it was the raving right who put Political commanders into our Police force just a few months ago. I do not think the current mis-Government can be looked on as "lefties," so I suppose you are a remnant of the "Reds under our Beds" days, You have far more to fear from the far right than the few left wingers. Cameron has already tried once to get us into a big war in Syria, that is the type of threat you should be looking out for, not someone who believes in equality.

You are completely wrong of course, and the likes of Kim Gandy are completely right. If you can't see that the most ideologically motivated right wing government in history is too left-wing, there is something wrong with you. They must be, look at all the floods we've been having, clearly caused by the country sinking below sea level under the weight of Romanian immigration. The phrase we like to use is 'cultural Marxism', and point out that Cameron and his politically correct cronies have been swallowed up by all of this. Where do you think UKIP comes from, if people like Kim and I are not convinced that the left has infiltrated at every level of society? Look, by googling, you can see that it didn't work out for Kim in UKIP, and has she has very eloquently pointed out on this very website, this was because the lefties have even got in there. This is how bad it has got.

It's bloody political correctness gone mad, is what it is.

[quote][p][bold]Devils Advocate[/bold] wrote:
Kim Gandy wrote:
"I have never agreed with the PCSO scheme.
Bobbies on the beat, lots of em and NO POLITICAL INTERFERENCE.. The police are too political these days and far too likely to listen to "friends in high places" - usually Labour, who think they still control everything."
A little surprised at that. I understood it was the raving right who put Political commanders into our Police force just a few months ago. I do not think the current mis-Government can be looked on as "lefties," so I suppose you are a remnant of the "Reds under our Beds" days, You have far more to fear from the far right than the few left wingers. Cameron has already tried once to get us into a big war in Syria, that is the type of threat you should be looking out for, not someone who believes in equality.[/p][/quote]You are completely wrong of course, and the likes of Kim Gandy are completely right. If you can't see that the most ideologically motivated right wing government in history is too left-wing, there is something wrong with you. They must be, look at all the floods we've been having, clearly caused by the country sinking below sea level under the weight of Romanian immigration. The phrase we like to use is 'cultural Marxism', and point out that Cameron and his politically correct cronies have been swallowed up by all of this. Where do you think UKIP comes from, if people like Kim and I are not convinced that the left has infiltrated at every level of society? Look, by googling, you can see that it didn't work out for Kim in UKIP, and has she has very eloquently pointed out on this very website, this was because the lefties have even got in there. This is how bad it has got.
It's bloody political correctness gone mad, is what it is.Mail Member 4 Colchester

What a shame you weren't on the recruitment panel when they started employing the people to train as PCSO's. Then using your skill and judgment, we would have had squads of well-trained, well led officers who would have taken the strain of the regular PC's and made everything run smoothly.
What is even more of a shame though, and I'm sure you will agree, is the scant regard you have for working people who face losing their jobs, through whoever it was that made all the wrong turns in the idea of an assistant force. Now the people who are at present doing this job, and I can assure you in most cases doing a **** good job of it as well, are to be slung out without any consideration for the service they did.
Still, who knows, this could yet be the pattern of all working people's careers in this country if the trend continues, losing their jobs and being scorned as being useless by people who are their countrymen!
Your wanton vilification of these people does prove you to be the modern Englishman!

[quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh2[/bold] wrote:
P C S O = POLICE CHEAP SKATE OPTION[/p][/quote]High time this lot were ousted, utter waste of money.[/p][/quote]What a shame you weren't on the recruitment panel when they started employing the people to train as PCSO's. Then using your skill and judgment, we would have had squads of well-trained, well led officers who would have taken the strain of the regular PC's and made everything run smoothly.
What is even more of a shame though, and I'm sure you will agree, is the scant regard you have for working people who face losing their jobs, through whoever it was that made all the wrong turns in the idea of an assistant force. Now the people who are at present doing this job, and I can assure you in most cases doing a **** good job of it as well, are to be slung out without any consideration for the service they did.
Still, who knows, this could yet be the pattern of all working people's careers in this country if the trend continues, losing their jobs and being scorned as being useless by people who are their countrymen!
Your wanton vilification of these people does prove you to be the modern Englishman!Devils Advocate

What a shame you weren't on the recruitment panel when they started employing the people to train as PCSO's. Then using your skill and judgment, we would have had squads of well-trained, well led officers who would have taken the strain of the regular PC's and made everything run smoothly.
What is even more of a shame though, and I'm sure you will agree, is the scant regard you have for working people who face losing their jobs, through whoever it was that made all the wrong turns in the idea of an assistant force. Now the people who are at present doing this job, and I can assure you in most cases doing a **** good job of it as well, are to be slung out without any consideration for the service they did.
Still, who knows, this could yet be the pattern of all working people's careers in this country if the trend continues, losing their jobs and being scorned as being useless by people who are their countrymen!
Your wanton vilification of these people does prove you to be the modern Englishman!

Tell you what, I know we made a big financial mistake hiring these wardens, dressed up like police, but lets all stick our sorry heads in the sand, as now they are here, they are here to stay............
MEANWHILE BACK IN THE REAL WORLD, I know a way to save thousands, lets get rid of something useless, something which was brought in by the Labour fantasists, the wonderous PCSO - POLICE CASH SAVING OPTION

[quote][p][bold]Devils Advocate[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh2[/bold] wrote:
P C S O = POLICE CHEAP SKATE OPTION[/p][/quote]High time this lot were ousted, utter waste of money.[/p][/quote]What a shame you weren't on the recruitment panel when they started employing the people to train as PCSO's. Then using your skill and judgment, we would have had squads of well-trained, well led officers who would have taken the strain of the regular PC's and made everything run smoothly.
What is even more of a shame though, and I'm sure you will agree, is the scant regard you have for working people who face losing their jobs, through whoever it was that made all the wrong turns in the idea of an assistant force. Now the people who are at present doing this job, and I can assure you in most cases doing a **** good job of it as well, are to be slung out without any consideration for the service they did.
Still, who knows, this could yet be the pattern of all working people's careers in this country if the trend continues, losing their jobs and being scorned as being useless by people who are their countrymen!
Your wanton vilification of these people does prove you to be the modern Englishman![/p][/quote]Tell you what, I know we made a big financial mistake hiring these wardens, dressed up like police, but lets all stick our sorry heads in the sand, as now they are here, they are here to stay............
MEANWHILE BACK IN THE REAL WORLD, I know a way to save thousands, lets get rid of something useless, something which was brought in by the Labour fantasists, the wonderous PCSO - POLICE CASH SAVING OPTIONNowthatsworthknowing

Reading some of these posts are quite unbelievable and somewhat disturbingt - expressions from individuals within our society that sit hidden behind a computer screen writing venomous, uneducated, flippant comments regarding men and women that work and in this case within the Police Service.

PCSO stands for Police Community Support Officer and nothing else.

I would be interested to know what line of work these posting trolls do, however, am sure whatever their career may be (if they've got one) many level headed individual could scathe and criticize them and in these instances, with the mentality shown, this would be justified.

I value the work that all Police personnel do and thank you.

Reading some of these posts are quite unbelievable and somewhat disturbingt - expressions from individuals within our society that sit hidden behind a computer screen writing venomous, uneducated, flippant comments regarding men and women that work and in this case within the Police Service.
PCSO stands for Police Community Support Officer and nothing else.
I would be interested to know what line of work these posting trolls do, however, am sure whatever their career may be (if they've got one) many level headed individual could scathe and criticize them and in these instances, with the mentality shown, this would be justified.
I value the work that all Police personnel do and thank you.peersonalmedia

What a shame you weren't on the recruitment panel when they started employing the people to train as PCSO's. Then using your skill and judgment, we would have had squads of well-trained, well led officers who would have taken the strain of the regular PC's and made everything run smoothly.
What is even more of a shame though, and I'm sure you will agree, is the scant regard you have for working people who face losing their jobs, through whoever it was that made all the wrong turns in the idea of an assistant force. Now the people who are at present doing this job, and I can assure you in most cases doing a **** good job of it as well, are to be slung out without any consideration for the service they did.
Still, who knows, this could yet be the pattern of all working people's careers in this country if the trend continues, losing their jobs and being scorned as being useless by people who are their countrymen!
Your wanton vilification of these people does prove you to be the modern Englishman!

Tell you what, I know we made a big financial mistake hiring these wardens, dressed up like police, but lets all stick our sorry heads in the sand, as now they are here, they are here to stay............
MEANWHILE BACK IN THE REAL WORLD, I know a way to save thousands, lets get rid of something useless, something which was brought in by the Labour fantasists, the wonderous PCSO - POLICE CASH SAVING OPTION

If you and your like thinking mates weren't such "~I want it all" trougholites, perhaps we could think about getting the country back to work so that we could all earn some money. But your way, chucking out everything that doesn't directly make you and your lot richer always has, and always will be the enemy of the people who just want a fair day's pay for a fair day's work. This "Money saving" rubbish you are bleating on about is just to take what you can while you can. The only failing with the PCSO's is, if anything, apalling leadership.

[quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Devils Advocate[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Nowthatsworthknowing[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]LastLaugh2[/bold] wrote:
P C S O = POLICE CHEAP SKATE OPTION[/p][/quote]High time this lot were ousted, utter waste of money.[/p][/quote]What a shame you weren't on the recruitment panel when they started employing the people to train as PCSO's. Then using your skill and judgment, we would have had squads of well-trained, well led officers who would have taken the strain of the regular PC's and made everything run smoothly.
What is even more of a shame though, and I'm sure you will agree, is the scant regard you have for working people who face losing their jobs, through whoever it was that made all the wrong turns in the idea of an assistant force. Now the people who are at present doing this job, and I can assure you in most cases doing a **** good job of it as well, are to be slung out without any consideration for the service they did.
Still, who knows, this could yet be the pattern of all working people's careers in this country if the trend continues, losing their jobs and being scorned as being useless by people who are their countrymen!
Your wanton vilification of these people does prove you to be the modern Englishman![/p][/quote]Tell you what, I know we made a big financial mistake hiring these wardens, dressed up like police, but lets all stick our sorry heads in the sand, as now they are here, they are here to stay............
MEANWHILE BACK IN THE REAL WORLD, I know a way to save thousands, lets get rid of something useless, something which was brought in by the Labour fantasists, the wonderous PCSO - POLICE CASH SAVING OPTION[/p][/quote]If you and your like thinking mates weren't such "~I want it all" trougholites, perhaps we could think about getting the country back to work so that we could all earn some money. But your way, chucking out everything that doesn't directly make you and your lot richer always has, and always will be the enemy of the people who just want a fair day's pay for a fair day's work. This "Money saving" rubbish you are bleating on about is just to take what you can while you can. The only failing with the PCSO's is, if anything, apalling leadership.Devils Advocate