Game 2

Miami Dolphins @ Jacksonville Jaguars

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On the Road Again

It’s week 2 and despite a less than stellar start in week 1 against the Redskins, the Dolphins are 1-0 and again are on the road against the Jacksonville Jaguars. The Jaguars have 4 players ruled out on the injury report and several more dinged up. For the Dolphins, only Dion Sims is ruled out, with Cam Wake, Reshad Jones and Derrick Shelby as questionable.

I don’t think Tanny is the real problem. We gave up over 100 yards on the ground, and over 270 in the air. We spent $100M + on Suh because we were underwhelming on defense, and we’re still underwhelming. We played against 2 sub par O-lines, and they manhandled our front seven two games in a row. I can’t see how we can’t be worried about the defense. Did everyone forget how dominant we would be, how much better the run defense would be, and how many sacks Wake and Vernon would have with Suh on the line? ZERO, after 8 quarters, against 2 of the lesser teams in the NFL.

MIKE: I HOPE you saw my comment about the 2nd round draft pick. I’m OUT FOR TONIGHT. Thanks, again, to Ross, Tannenbaum, and Philbin for spoiling another Dolphins’ season!! –CAN’T WAIT to see the signs at the Buffalo game!!!

Piggy … This is one of the major issues I have with Tannehill. As bad as the o-line can be, a QB with his athleticism should be able to help them out a bit. His first move when he feels pressure is always to retreat. That pretty much kills the play right there. His pocket presence and awareness should be much better at this point in his career.

I’ve been saying it for a long time
the design of the offense is problematic
opposing DLs just get to tee off
it doesn’t matter if its a run or a pass bc we are in shiotgun and they can get the RB behind the line

“lmfao, what a joke you are. so i have this straight. suh and his 3 tackles and two games or what the fuck ever he has. but the dl and 1 sack is all the coaching but tanny and the o line has nothing to do with coaching they just suck. yeah great. please tell us you had a lot to drink tonight.”

This is a lousy football team. Very few can claim to be unsoiled. The rot and poison go from top to bottom of the organization. The very air in South Florida reeks of failure and dismay. There is more than enough blame to go around.

Piggs and FFR you are agreeing guys! The team sucks and you both know it and it hurts like hell to watch them self-destruct like that. It’s not FFR and it’s not the Flying Pig. Both you guys are hilarious and astute commentators. And you are both right. Tannehill MUST make winning plays and the DL, OL, STs, DBs, and LBs MUST play better.

GDP .. Tanny should be better than that. It’s not like it’s a surprise at this point that the o-line will play poorly. I really think Bazooka Joe and Sherman ruined him early by pounding it in his head to hang in the pocket. That’s fine if you have a decent o-line, but with our clowns, it’s suicide.

It is not his game. He started as a qb later than most. He could get away with shit in college that he can’t in the pros. He’s good, but he’s peaked, and this is what we have. Even if the Oline was better, he would silk get sacked and still miss open receivers- even the best do. But he would miss them more often because he’s what he is.

lol, pretty sure a few weeks ago all the fins draft picks the last two years were all world. hickey was the savior over ireland. why i have said over and over lets just wait to see what the season has. so far nothing looks good.

I think what you said about the opposing DL being able to just blindly speed-rush on every play and hardly ever be wrong is where the problem is. We have some really good OL but they rarely get to punch somebody in the face. They are constantly retreating.

Fun plane ride home to Miami for the players….sad thing is I bet they show more emotion on the ride home than they did in the damn game….SMH!
(brought to you by the makers of Bazooka Joe gum wrappers with enlightening cartoons)

pretty sure i got the pigs opinion about me. it is ok, like i say over and over this is a blog. i am not going to lose any sleep over his opinion of me. he said what he thought about me. all i said was his comment blaming just tanny was a joke if that was what he thought

getterdone says:
September 20, 2015 at 8:28 pm
Collins the back up in Dallas? 🙄
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Mike E. says:
September 20, 2015 at 8:30 pm
That’s the best O-line in football.
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Says the OL that got Romo executed like a guillotine….LOL

well I Iost faith in Tannehill
no matter how others try to attack that position

He is just not getting better as a QB
I’m not talking about the skill set
I’m talking about the mind of a QB

dumping it off to Cameron on the free play left me thinking WTF
he doesn’t move well in the pocket
doesn;t exploit defensive breakdowns
leaves big plays on the field
In his 4th season I would expect him to start acting like a QB, and I don;t think he has does that

for every great pass there is another bad pass
I think a lot of fans are margializing it
He is really underwhelming and we need to stop blaming the OL and receivers around him

There is a lot fo good things he does
but he really nexs to take the next step

Just my opinion
I don;t look to the highest paid contract on the team to blame

I think one players play makes a difference in this game and I think its Tannehill

When I say Tannehill is not the problem, I don’t mean he is not missing some open men because he is. and that he is not misfiring a few important throws because he does. And he invites some sacks. I say he is not the problem because he has been trained to do all that. Trained to narrow how much of the field he uses and NOT trained on how and when to properly throw the ball away.

i agree he is NOT the problem, he is just part of the problem. and just like someone else on the team he is a very expensive problem. but lets not point out the most expensive player in the league has done nothing in two games

Nothing has changed. Team starts lethargic, gets behind early. D gives up too many big plays, doesn’t seem to make effective adjustments until the 2nd half. No run game. Oline can’t run block and spotty in pass blocking. QB can’t make plays in the 1st or 4th QTs. Questionable coaching on both sides of the ball. It just feels like I’m watching the same team as the last couple years.

except I caution that with its early int he season
and the team should not be a long way away from what it was at the end of last season

I’m less concerned with the defense than I am with the offense
I don;t see any solution for the running game being sporatic when we run ftom the shotgun every play
I don’t see any solution for our lack of scoring when we play a short passing game and anything other than a quick pass leads to a QB sack or an overthrow

Maybe work in a non-shotgun set and be more willing to launch it downfield and it goes a long way IMO

ok guys let’s hope Philbin rode a bike back to Davie so he would have a loooooong time to think about the definition of the product he is putting on the field. He does not get his men ready. And he does not tailor his game plans to the specifics of the opposition. He is stubborn and stiff and set in his ways, especially during the game.

LMAO, I so disagree with ya Pig on Tanny….has the rest of team become so bad that unless he’s perfect and Marino or Unitas very series then the loss is on him?

I mean 360 yds passing, near 70% comp NO INT’s, the leading rusher on the team….yeah, we could use a better QB that isn’t so underwhelming.
I say we look to the draft in 2016 or trade Russell Wilson…I bet Tanny would appreciate playing under more proper coaching.

He does leave plays on the field but the coaching is so awful. Why does he HAVE TO pass so much? Why always in shotgun? Where is the damn support? Why didn’t we get Mathis for cheap? Guy is handicapped every week.

When he gets a little bit of pressure its over
He can’t step away and make a player miss
and then we blame the OL
He doesn;t do a very good job at all of sensing the pas rush
His pocket presence is shit and has been his entire career

That fumble by him last week was horrible ball security on his part
He just doesn’t show natural instincts in the pocket

In year 4 I think he needs to show that

He also just seems to be unwilling at times to sing it downfield
And he needs to do that occassionally

The lack of running game is not his fault
I just think its poor design
I hate the running from the shotgun
I’ve said that about 1000 times
and I blame the caoching for that which doesn;t help Tanny

We’re not a good team right now. I have no idea where the pass rush is and the OL still has issues. I also hate Lazor’s offense. Maybe we can call another stretch play to Miller with 3 defenders all over it for no gain or a loss. Very frustrating. We had multiple opportunities to win this game and didn’t.

UGH! Thanks. Fuck him! He’s lost his damn stripes as far as I’m concerned. He’s invisible in the home stretch every year, and he’s been invisible so far with Wake on the line. Maybe he needs to get back to reality.

I think Tannehill is a good QB, but I’m not sure if he will be much more than that. I thought he would be after this preseason, but I am beginning to doubt that. He doesn’t have that “it” factor that some of the more successful QB’s have.

The one positive to take away from the game is that Tannehill hit some deep balls. One was the tip to Matthews but still a nice play. Nice one to Landry as well. I also like the one where he was on the run and hit Cameron. The problem for us on offense today was the absolute lack of a run game. After a while the Jags just pinned their ears back and came after Tannehill. Odrick looked like the player we thought should be but never was.

Yeah
he manages not to be a dick about it when he disagrees
and I’m sure unlike you he won;t try to play the victim
so don;t worry about GDP
instead correct your own behavior and you wont; ever have to cry about confrontation again

He is not as carry the team type of qb. He may occasonally win a game for you, but you will never be able to count on it, or even have a reasonable expectation he can do it, and the next level qb does that for you.

Tannehill is fine and he is not the problem. He is not going to single handedly carry a team to victory when that team can’t stop the run, can’t run the ball and can’t pass block. But Tannehill could win a lot of games. He is not the reason we lost today and if we were who are we really going to get to replace him that’s better?

Brian in NY says:
September 20, 2015 at 12:36 pm
Tim Knight says:
September 20, 2015 at 11:45 am
Jacksonville has a good pass rush (45 sacks last year) so our OL better clean up some shit.
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Odrick is on Jax this year as well. I always felt a lot of people here didn’t give him credit. He wasn’t Suh, but he was still a good player for us.
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Tim Knight says:
September 20, 2015 at 12:47 pm
Odrick is a solid player but not a big impact guy.
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I stand corrected. Suh wasn’t Odrick today.

Tanny isn’t the next coming of Luck but he’s pretty damn good. He isn’t Rodgers or even Rivers but look at the Saints. No running game, play out of the shotgun, no damn defense. If Brees can’t do it, why expect Tanny to?

Tanny’s problems start with an offense that is built for Manning and there’s only one of him. Why we don’t use the run to help mask Tanny’s weaknesses is ridiculous. Why we run the same base defense and offense without any damn game planning is beyond me. Why do we look like our guys just got off the boat from Somolia last year and don’t understand the game yet?

Piggy, “I can respect the other problems with the team people have mentioned

but I see a Qb with a chance to take over an win a game and who doesn’t do that

It was there for him today”
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It was there for the coaches to make the adjustments & calls today.
We must watch 2 different games…smh. The coaches consistently put him in bad positions, to the point where he has to be near perfect when he finally does get a decently called play & then decently executed play by the other 10 guys on the field.
Apparently 108+ QGR and 365 yds passing & 69% comp & leading the team in Rushing isn’t enough for him in this wonderful offensive system.

I don’t know what more Tannehill could have done today. He was running for his life in the 4th quarter. Jason Fox was a turnstyle. Not really sure where his opportunity to win the game for us was. It seemed to me Tannehill, Landry and Matthews where the only guys making plays for us and in the 4th quarter Jax just decided to sell out and rush Tannehill every down and our OL couldn’t handle it.

He missed a wide open WR for a first down as our final offensive play
He missed a lot of receivers throughout the game
He just isn’t playing like a smart QB
He can;t avoid the pass rush
he makes bad throws
The tape on Tannehill misses this season is pretty heavy

Tanny isn’t the next coming of Luck but he’s pretty damn good. He isn’t Rodgers or even Rivers but look at the Saints. No running game, play out of the shotgun, no damn defense. If Brees can’t do it, why expect Tanny to?

Tanny’s problems start with an offense that is built for Manning and there’s only one of him. Why we don’t use the run to help mask Tanny’s weaknesses is ridiculous. Why we run the same base defense and offense without any damn game planning is beyond me. Why do we look like our guys just got off the boat from Somolia last year and don’t understand the game yet?

Part of the problem is in that video. Wake has talked for 4-5 years about needing to win that’ one play’. We should be dominating most of the game so that ‘one play’ isn’t needed to win a game. If we could play like the Pat and crush the Bills early, then comebacks fall short. If we did start fast ant any point in the past 3 years, we might not be a perennial 8-8 snooze-fest. I would be ashamed if I was these guys.

I’m calling out Coyle as well, Truth be told, I hate that motherfucker, and it’s just because our defense has been inconsistent since he’s been here. The defense has undoubtedly played better in the second half, so what, does he not watch any fucking flim on the opponent during the week? I’ll give him credit for making some halftime adjustments but he needs to draw up a better defensive game plan for the first half. We can’t be playing catch up all year in this league or it’s going to get us right where we are right now at the end of the season- .500.

well we need a qb that can play d line and rush the passer, or lb and cover some one. or hell one that can play d line and block. when tanny can do all that then he will be elite. till then all losses are his fault

We have a lot of talented players , we should be seeing better results. Lots of plays by lots of players cost us huge. Jennings drop comes to mind early, OV personal foul late. And many others we did enough badly today to spread the blame everywhere. It is starting to become clearer that the playcalling on both sides is not getting it done.

Ken says:
September 20, 2015 at 9:28 pm
I don’t know what more Tannehill could have done today. He was running for his life in the 4th quarter. Jason Fox was a turnstyle. Not really sure where his opportunity to win the game for us was. It seemed to me Tannehill, Landry and Matthews where the only guys making plays for us and in the 4th quarter Jax just decided to sell out and rush Tannehill every down and our OL couldn’t handle it.
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I’m not saying he didn’t play well, but he din’t play well enough to win. He missed a few receviers who were WIDE open, and he shouldn’t be missing on those throws at this stage of his career. He held the ball too long on that sack near the goal line, he’s got to get rid of that sooner (Fox was part of that problem I know). There was a free play in the 3rd or fourth quarter and what does he do? He throws it about 5-7 yards out to the left for a minimal game instead of taking a shot down field. Again, I’m not killing him, but he needs to make those types of plays. That is what will separate him from being a good QB to a very good QB.

Every QB even the Mannings Bradys and Brees of this league miss an open WR probably a couple of time every game. I think there was only one pass he really was off mark on today. The pass to Jennings in the 1st quarter. He missed Cameron at one point too but he was about to get crushed and probably rushed that throw a little bit.

Notice how they kept focusing on that corner who had never played before? If that was Brady he would have attacked him on his very 1st play in and again again. Instead with us the only attention that kid got was chasing down Tanny for an Inc.

I’m struggling with these thoughts:
Are our players not as talented as we think they are? Or is it simply poor coaching? Both? I do wonder if losing Kacy Rodgers is affecting this line, but it wans’t that good towards the end of last year anyway.

I’m having the same struggle. We keep shuffling players in and out and the results stay the same it’s got to be the coaching, right? We still have a lot of season left but if this shit continues I’m all for firing all three of them

Stills was a good player with NO. He’s invisible here so far. Suh has not suddenly turned to shit . Is RT Rodgers or Manning no but he is better than a lot. This leaves me with game planning and play calling

exactly. there is only one rogers, shady or manning. tanny is about like the rest of the group of average qb’s. you really think wilsons 4ints in the nfc championship game is what got them to the SB. this team has a lot of other problems they need to fix before fixing tanny

Brian,
I know….with an assist from a crap division….Luck is good, & all QB’s have rough days.
But when your QB is 108 QBR, 68% passing for 365 yards, no INT’s…that should equate to a WIN, no matter if you’re playing the super bowl champs each time.
It reeks of huge failure everywhere else vs. the few scattered failures by Tanny on a play here or there.

To me the real problem was giving up that FG at the end of the 1st half. That swing when Franks missed a 42 yarder and then with 18 seconds Jax gets themselves in position to try a 58 yarder and they make it. Inexcusable imo. That is where the game was lost.

Howie, you made a good point on our coaches Philbin/Lazor, not calling plays to go after that practice squad graduate covering Juice 1 on 1….I said the same thing real time….I was like WTF, are the coaches that ill prepared???
Apparently they are!

Ken … As inexcusable as that sequence was, we were still in a tie game with a less than average team midway through the third quarter. Forget anything that happened up until that point, teams that are to be taken seriously win that game.

I think one of the biggest problems we have is the stupid running out of the shotgun all the time and not having a FB on our roster. It makes a huge difference in the run game. I just don’t get why we don’t have a FB on the roster. Not one. I hate that.

Ok guys, I’m out. I’m incredibly frustrated not only because we lost, but we look like the same fcuking team with the EXACT same problems we had towards the end of last year. I guess they were banking on Suh being able to change that but obviously that is not the case. I really wish they would have fired Coyle during the offseason. Maybe we could have had someone come in who could coach the supposed talent on this team. Goodnight all.

Bat:
I get that that we tied up the game but in breaking down what happened at the end of the half it was a six point swing. Franks makes that kick and then Jax likely doesn’t get their FG. Ball game. You can’t have mental mistakes like that with 18 seconds left in the half and we made a huge mental mistake on the PI call. It was stupid.

FFR:
In theory our OL should be decent run blocker, especially for a zone blocking scheme and trap/pulling scheme. In particular that is where Pouncey excels and where Dallas Thomas should be at his best as well.

One thing that is starting to piss me off about Tanny is this 7 yard passing he does when we have 40 seconds, no TOs and little chance to win. I don’t know if it’s stat hunting (not wanting to throw an INT) but give us a shot. The other team is playing to stop that so you have to take a chance. One thing that won’t do shit is throwing it on a crossing pattern 8 yards down the field, smh.

I think the idea on that is the middle of the field would be open and if you get the ball to a WR like Landry he will have a lot of room to make a move and perhaps turn the short pass into a big play. Unfortunately Jax D did a good job of flowing to the ball and not let letting Landry put a good move on.

I would probably buy that if this didn’t always seem to happen. He’s been doing the same thing for years now in these situations. You have to throw the ball down the field. What does 7 yards get you with 30 seconds and 40 yard sto go?

I agree with all the comments about the scheme
but its just not what we are in design

and if its a pass heavy offense (kindof a spread offense) that runs from the shotgun
you can score points
but you need big plays and defensive breakdowns
if not you are just marching towards the redzone only to lack “big” personel

I harp so much on the failure to throw deep for this reason
you just can;t do these lttile gains after little gains to have one 3rd down conversion stop
You need big plays or the whole thing doesn’t work

I was hoping some more YAC would help but it hasn;t yet so far even though we have guys like Landry who fight for each inch

Tanny needs to hot the deeper throws
when he does it changes the offense

CavalierKong says:
September 20, 2015 at 10:03 pm (Edit)
I would probably buy that if this didn’t always seem to happen. He’s been doing the same thing for years now in these situations. You have to throw the ball down the field. What does 7 yards get you with 30 seconds and 40 yard sto go?

Piggy,
The deep throws/play calls come about more abundantly, better executed when you can run the ball from under center & run for more than 7 times in the 1st half…..this sets up the defense later for those break downs that you mentioned.
So wish for deep throws all you like….but until we can show defenses that we’ll run on them from other than an option, then they’ll never bite on it….no matter if Aaron Rodgers was Lazor’s QB.

Piggy, not the same argument…why does that system/design have to be ours?
Do you see it being done consistently by another NFL team that wins with it???
Our offense is on an NFL island of sorts with what we are running/ not running.

Hit what big plays? By hoping on any given play call that all 11 men are exactly where they’re supposed to be executing their assignment with 100% efficiency over the opposing player trying to execute his assignment? 😉

No
I don;t like the system
but we are stuck with it for now
So that is why its the same argument

and we are not stuck with the players on the roster. if the system doesnt fit the players then it is up to the coaching staff to adjust the system. why the fins problem isnt the players but the coaching staff

Can’t be one dimensional in this league and expect it not to catch up to you!
Last week it was the same, but we squeaked one out….this week, our coaches game planned the same way essentially and right into the waiting hands of the Jags coaches….who’s players tried like hell to give it back to us, but our coaches one upped them by consistently going to the same well with nary any deviation that could surprise or catch someone off guard.

I think it all sucked today. The players, coaching, it all sucked. Arguing over what sucked most is just silly. I thought last week the team had bought into the hype a little too much and needed a wake up call. This week, I just think they sucked. 😦

There is an expectation to execute in spite of the coaching of what the players are expected to do
And we are not executing

Maybe the coaching is bad
The execution isn’t there either

And we might win the game of the execution is there

It’s a chicken and egg argument

come on serious or you just fucking with me again? how many times do i have to say it is the whole fucking teams fault from coaching to the players. it isnt a chicken or egg thing. it is a chicken, egg, biscut, gravy, green beans and ice tea kind of thing. it is the whole fucking organization

nope, cause you didnt listen to me. this i just a blog. i didnt take any offense to what you said. so there is absolutely no need to apologize to me. appreciate the offer though, but there is absolutely no need too. i get you are just as pissed off as i am at this team. so go ahead and vent all you want even if it gets heated, but you dont have to apologize.

i still dont get you so hard on tanny but none of that matters, i think i said this yesterday, every one here wants the same goal. we all just handle it different and see things different.

trust me, i think you are one of the good guys, you are ok in my book, even if i made a pound and a half of your kind for breakfast this morning.

It (blaming Tanny) will make more sense to you when you switch to turkey bacon

lol, you have a better chance of convincing me philbin is a good coach then switching to turkey bacon. now, i will say, i do make a mean ass turkey wrapped in bacon. but that is as far as i am willing to go.

Hard to demand more than near 70% passing, I guess 95% would be good….hard to demand more than 360yds, but true, 450 would be better……hard to demand more than 108+ QBR, but yes 150 would be giggly fun….hard to demand more than O Int’s in over 144 passes, guess we should wait till that’s still the same after 400 passes…