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Rainbow flag creates controversy in Kansas

For J.R. and Robin knight, owning a bed and breakfast is everything they've always wanted. "We came here in search of our dreams, my wife always wanted a bed and breakfast and I always wanted a restaurant," says California native J.R. Knight.

But recently their dream has turned into a nightmare, all because of a flag they're flying outside. “It's a rainbow flag - to some people it means friendship to some people it means gay pride," says Knight. But for Knight, it was just a souvenir from his 12-year-old son.

Knight says the local Meade newspaper is trying to put him out of business and was frustrated when it ran an article about the flag and did not even bother to contact him regarding why he put it up. In fact, most people we spoke to in Meade said they didn’t even know what the flag meant until the article ran. But once word got around, the reaction was harsh.

Knight says the radio station has called him threatening to remove the restaurant’s commercials if he does not remove the flag. A local pastor stopped by said it was equivalent to hanging women’s panties on a flag pole. When Knight jokingly said he might consider that – the preacher said he would have him arrested.

His business has suffered - down to only a few local customers. The folks in Meade who've boycotted say it's too offensive for them to eat there.

Local resident, Keith Klassen says the flag is a slap in the face to the conservative community of Meade. “To me it's just like running up a Nazi flag in a Jewish neighborhood. I can't walk into that establishment with that flag flying because to me that's saying that I support what the flag stands for and I don't," says Klassen.

Knight says it's not meant to be a gay pride symbol but he doesn't mind if that's how it's taken.

“Any gay or lesbian people that do stop by will be treated with the best service I can give you," says Knight

But despite the local ridicule and loss of business, Knight is determined to stand his ground. “When this rainbow flag shreds, I will buy another one, and another one, and another one - just like my American flag, I'll buy another one."

Knight says his son gave him the flag after a trip to Dorothy's house, a museum about the Wizard of Oz. The flag reminded the boy of "somewhere over the rainbow."

BUT... I mean, honestly, what did he expect? It's good that he's standing his ground but I wouldn't want to stay in a place where I'm not welcome. Why bother to support the economy of a bunch of bigots?

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BUT... I mean, honestly, what did he expect?It's good that he's standing his ground but I wouldn't want to stay in a place where I'm not welcome. Why bother to support the economy of a bunch of bigots?

Wll said. Let them keep their money and bigotry and continue to function as if they were in the stone age.

What a group of terrribly informed and insecure people that community is that a flag should cause them to react in the manner is which they have chosen to do so.

Everyone who does any traveling in that area should boycott the entire town and let them suffer the economic consequences. I don't suppose and major business have outlets in their community, such as places to purchase cares - if they do the mfg. should pull their product from their show line in the said stores that sell their cars.

I wonder how that would go with the people of this sterile community.
"Ignorance is bliss," it never amazes me how many blissful people we really have in this country.

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What's really interesting is that the regional media hasn't picked up the story yet. I live near Meade (about 25 minutes away) and I haven't heard anything about this. I friend from out of state emailed me the story.

Meade is a small community. I'm really surprised to hear it's raising a stink. What's even more surprising is that Dorothy's House (located here in Liberal!) is selling rainbow flags! (*U*) I guess my students that work there are getting a new education....

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BUT... I mean, honestly, what did he expect? It's good that he's standing his ground but I wouldn't want to stay in a place where I'm not welcome. Why bother to support the economy of a bunch of bigots?

the point is not missed on me

I have thought about the fact that ten percent of america is gay, and about ten percent of teh states now have some sort of gay marriage/domestic partnership laws.

gays have long been a demographic with expendable cash, and if we all moved to the states that want us then the good guys would get the benefit of our presence.

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Originally Posted by Rand

mikey

I hope you can go with a group of people and support the restaurant - buy lunch tomorrow!

It would be great to have others support these people

Well thank goodness someone noticed the heroic attempt by this smalltown buisiness man and his supportive words for gay people when he isn't himself! The real story isn't typical small town bigotry. The real story is atypical bravery and the balls to stand your ground when your own peer group hangs you.

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I agree... good for the owner. And may all of gay america go and support him.

The sad part is... there are a LOT of towns out there like this. We have made progress in big cities... NYC, LA, San Fran, DC, etc. But the smaller towns (and I don't mean the pop = 100 like meade) still have a lot of homophobia. Not sure when, if ever, that will change.

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I have thought about the fact that ten percent of america is gay, and about ten percent of teh states now have some sort of gay marriage/domestic partnership laws.

gays have long been a demographic with expendable cash, and if we all moved to the states that want us then the good guys would get the benefit of our presence.

if they dont want us, fine

we can gladly pay taxes in a different state

That ten percent figure is the result of faulty research and has been shown to be false; it's more like four or five percent (drat!).

Moving to states that want us is not a bad idea!
Y'all come to Oregon!

... where it's also legal to be naked outdoors!

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

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Brad, you are so right. We have to support the man. It's good old-fashioned Kansas stubbornness.

Meade is about 3.5 hours from where I live, but this is definitely worth the fuel expenditure! Mikey, PM me with details, and I'll meet you there. See if I can get some friends to come along, too. Maybe even some straight ones. Who knows.

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This is a consequence of our becoming a wedge issue in politics. When Carl Rove, the Republicans, and the Crazy Christians decided to juice up their support by demonizing gays, ordinary decent people began looking at us as spawns of satan, all to keep Republicans in power.

Conservatives see issues in black and white, they need enemies and victims (real or imaginary) to make sense of the world. They have successfully made flying a rainbow flag the equivalent of flying the hammer and sickle or the swastika to the folks in Kansas.

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Originally Posted by iman

This is a consequence of our becoming a wedge issue in politics. When Carl Rove, the Republicans, and the Crazy Christians decided to juice up their support by demonizing gays, ordinary decent people began looking at us as spawns of satan, all to keep Republicans in power.

Conservatives see issues in black and white, they need enemies and victims (real or imaginary) to make sense of the world. They have successfully made flying a rainbow flag the equivalent of flying the hammer and sickle or the swastika to the folks in Kansas.

You are so right on Iman. I believe that Bush couldn't give 2 shits about gays (good or bad) but King Karl told him it's a good one for him so . . . . . .

But I don't get that a politician can tell me what to think - he/she may push some buttons but if I'm anti-gay (religious or whatever) then it's me - not that they're telling me to be. Maybe the problem is someone on the fence is being pushed that it's ok to be anti-gay - not sure.

I don't think seeing things black or white is so bad - on most issues. I think right and wrong can be very clear as it relates to actions. In terms of judging people, it gets much trickier. The idea that a rainbow and a swastika are in the same sentence is pretty damn scary.

Rove is bad news - and he will be gonzo in 2 years. What really kills me is that I truly don't believe he/Bush/all Conservatives are so anti-gay. But if they know they can score points/get votes, then it's fair game. And real people, good people, us - get hurt.

The Libs do it too - they pander to the pro-choice crowd. Try getting dem support much less liberal support if you don't believe in abortion. And look at now with support for Iraq - Lieberman is getting hammered.

So wedge politics exists on both sides

Great thread - proof that as far as the country has come - there's a long way to go.

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Thats very upsetting. I hope it gains national attention where people from all over the country pour into that restaurant and community in support of those owners. I'd even sue the newspaper for slander and shut it down. The flag doesn't even mean gay pride to them. Idiots.

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Originally Posted by chance1

The Libs do it too - they pander to the pro-choice crowd. Try getting dem support much less liberal support if you don't believe in abortion. And look at now with support for Iraq - Lieberman is getting hammered.

So wedge politics exists on both sides

Great thread - proof that as far as the country has come - there's a long way to go.

Not so fast Chance. Abortion and the Iraq war are legitimate issues. The gay agenda, flag burning, taking God out of the schools, and countless personal attacks are phony issues. If conservatives had a legitimate political philosophy with wide appeal, they would not have to manufacture phony issues.

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Originally Posted by iman

Not so fast Chance. Abortion and the Iraq war are legitimate issues. The gay agenda, flag burning, taking God out of the schools, and countless personal attacks are phony issues. If conservatives had a legitimate political philosophy with wide appeal, they would not have to manufacture phony issues.

My bad Iman - the issues are different for sure. Was not trying to make them the same rather to make the point that both sides of the political spectrum play the wedge card and pit people against each other - scare politics if u will.

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Originally Posted by Flash

If any of you are serious about going out and supporting the Knight's fight against bigotry, here is the link to their website. The place looks fantastic, and I wish I was closer to Kansas so I could join you guys there!

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^^

*Shudders* I can't WAIT for the angry Christians to come out and protest a Disney Park in Kansas. I mean, what the hell is Disney doing? They obviously have sexual overtones in their movies. Goofy is clearly homosexual, Princess Jasmine is scantily clad, they're anthropomorphising animals and showing children the benefits of magic and witchcraft. Heresy I say!

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The power of the evangelical right wing in Kansas is extremely overrated by the rest of America. Its power has been waning since the early '90s. They couldn't carry weight with Bill Graves, a moderate Republican governor in the '90s. Democratic governor Kathleen Sebelius was elected in 2002 when the evangelical favorite Tim Shallenburger chased the moderate Republicans to the Democratic ticket. This year, no less than three candidates for state office have switched political affiliation from Republican to Democrat, including Sebelius's running mate, Mark Parkinson. The primary is this Tuesday, August 1st, and it is essentially a three-way race as to whom will win the chance to challenege Sebelius in November. However, just as in 2002, the most conservative of the three candidates (Ken Canfield) appears to be the slight favorite. If he wins, the same alienation that took place in 2002 will occur in 2006. With what looks like eight years of experience and running, the Kansas Republican Party is perfecting the murder-suicide strategy in primary season and chasing the moderates away. As things stand, they're not such a force to be reckoned with.

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A 12-year-old son's gift of a colorful flag he found while staying with his grandparents in California has put his parents in the middle of controversy in the small town of Meade, Kansas. J.R. and Robin Knight said they knew the rainbow flag was a symbol of gay rights when they decided last month to fly it on a pole in front of their business, the Lakeway Hotel. But that isn't why they flew the banner.

"We just put it up. We didn't think about it," Robin said. "It has pretty colors, it's bright, it's summery." And, J.R. Knight said, it was a symbolic way to have their son nearby.

The decision prompted a controversy in the town of 1,600 and eventually someone cut the flag down. It's also prompted an Internet-fueled debate on gay rights in rural America, and the Knights say they have received messages of support from around the world.

Now, the Knights say, they are determined to replace the flag and keep it flying. Waitress Vicky Best said such a flag has no place in Meade.

"It's hard enough to keep your kids on the straight and narrow without outside influences like that," she complains. "We stay in a small town to stay away from the crap like that that's happening in big cities," she said, calling homosexuality "biblically wrong."

But retiree Charles Helms said he doesn't care if the Knights fly the flag. "If he wants to fly that thing, let him fly it," Helms said. "I don't have a problem at all because I know the story behind it."

The Knights say they have no problems with homosexuals, but they have never taken a role in the gay rights movement. They moved to Meade two years ago from southern California to pursue their dream of operating a bed-and-breakfast.

The Knights say the anger displayed by some residents has strengthened their resolve to keep the rainbow flag flying. Flying the flag not only protests discrimination, they say, but they also believe giving into the pressure would send the wrong message to their son, Anthony.

"It's our business. It shouldn't be dictated by other people," Robin Knight said. So, when someone cut away the flag last week, leaving behind only tattered corners, the Knights quickly ordered two more, and said more will be coming to replace any others that might be destroyed. (AP)

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Good post, Meat_Loaf. But let us not forget our joke of a School Board.

I guess I'll have to troll down to the court house tomorrow and use the new "Vote Republican" machines--I mean the electronic ballots. Should be interesting!

WHAT??!?!?!! The school board is a joke?!?!?!? Thank the gods the primaries got rid of Connie Morris. Hopefully now, they can discuss other things rather than the evolution debate and having INS agents patrolling the schools...

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I have thought about the fact that ten percent of america is gay, and about ten percent of teh states now have some sort of gay marriage/domestic partnership laws.

gays have long been a demographic with expendable cash, and if we all moved to the states that want us then the good guys would get the benefit of our presence.

if they dont want us, fine

we can gladly pay taxes in a different state

Every State needs to eventually accept reality. Gay people need to have gay support groups in every area of every State so that people who need them can use them. Permanant stupidity should not be acceptable, even if stupidity is encouraged/pressured by the church or political party. These people are using the conservative party to justify being assholes and bigots. They are even proud of being hateful bigots. I hope that more people who live there speak up publicly in support of this B&B and restaurant, write letters to the local editors, etc. Now is the time to speak out!

Thank goodness the definition of marriage does change over time. Women were originally thought of as property and marriage was originally about an exchange of property.

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I'm conservative, and even I think Kansas is a lame state. It's also the home of the wonderful, horrible, Reverend Phelps. The blue states should invade Kansas and sodomize all their sons and daughters, rename it "Gayland" or something like that, and put it under colonial rule. They should also give homesteads to a bunch of Asian Indians, Pakistanis, Aye-rabbs and other Muslims there.

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Sorry, I was being goofy, but I guess that fell kind of flat. I just reread my post, and it does sound kind of lame.

I talk about politics and current events a lot more in my "real life," but am generally wary of getting too involved in online discussions, because sometimes they seem kind of futile. I'll try to adopt a more serious tone from now on, if and when I post. I want to be a good citizen here, and not a total ass.

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A small western Kansas town is gaining more attention. The controversy is over a rainbow flag which was flying outside the Lakeway Hotel in Meade. That is - until someone tore it down.

Owners J.R. and Robin Knight say the flag was a gift from their son. They say it was not necessarily a way to show support for gay rights – though they were aware of the flag being an international symbol of gay pride. After they decided to replace the flag, someone threw bricks through the hotel window with hate messages attached.

On Sunday, the Kansas Equality Coalition got involved. It hosted a meeting for its southwest chapter. Though other issues were discussed – the flag issue was at the heart of the conversation.

“I'm here today to support all the citizens of Kansas regardless of their sexual orientation and I'm here to support the Kansas Equality Coalition," says Jan Scoggins, who adamantly supports gay rights in rural America.

“This is an issue for me because I firmly believe in civil rights and I have a gay son who I am very proud of," says Scoggins.

She's here for the southwest chapter meeting of the KEC, a group that promotes gender equality and gay rights for Kansans. The group came to Meade after hearing about people boycotting a bed and breakfast because of a rainbow flag flying outside. When it learned about the death threats, vandalism and torment affecting the owners of the hotel – it knew Meade was the perfect place to hold the meeting.

“I think it's important for us to speak out against bigotry when many people in these small communities can't do that for themselves,” says Anne Mitchell, of the southwest chapter of the Kansas Equality Coalition.

The head of the KEC, Thomas Witt, traveled from Wichita to attend the meeting. “You never know where the next flashpoint in the battle for civil rights will be. Meade is a surprise to everyone but you just never know," he says.

However, not everyone in Meade is happy to play host to this event.

“I think it's a bunch of crap. This guy just comes in here from California and screws up our town. Now everyone thinks our town is a piece of crap, says Meade resident C.J. Thomas.

Kyle Ross also lives in Meade and does not agree with the group’s message. “They have a right to do it I guess, but it just really doesn't stand for something good," says Ross.

The Lakeway hotel donated the space for the meeting after receiving donations from gay activist groups around the world who had heard about their story. The story has also gained international attention on many internet blog sites where a passionate debate has ignited over gay rights in rural America

The group says it is not trying to make the people of this community look bad and the people who vandalized the business were just a few bad seeds.

“The people I've met in Meade are hardworking, fair minded, intelligent people who don’t support violence as a way to express hatred.

The Meade case has also gained attention from CNN and MTV, which will travel to Meade to do a report on the flag controversy.

Members of Fred Phelp's church were supposed to attend this afternoon's meeting, but they canceled because of the rain. Phelps' church protests military funerals. He says soldiers are dying because America tolerates homosexuality.http://www.kbsd6.com/servlet/Satelli...89968567&path=

Posted on Thu, Aug. 17, 2006

Flag flap unfolds beyond Kansas town

By Deb Gruver and Dion Lefler

MEADE, Kan. - Usually a storm precedes a rainbow. But in Meade, the rainbow is the storm.

Weeks after the owners of the historic Lakeway Hotel started flying a rainbow flag in the middle of this town of about 2,000, a flap about gay rights, small-town politics and "California ways" is still the talk of the local truck stop.

Now the story has spread beyond the home of the Dalton Gang Museum, with mentions in a national gay and lesbian magazine and spots on CNN and radio talk shows.

People who had never heard of Meade now are blogging about it on the Internet.

"JR" and Robin Knight say the flag was a gift from their son. He sent it from California because, they say, it reminded him of Kansas and "The Wizard of Oz."

But after the Meade newspaper took a picture of the flag and identified it as a symbol of gay pride in a photo caption, a lot has happened.

Many people quit coming to the restaurant the Knights run inside the 10-room inn they've owned for almost two years.

Someone cut down the flag.

The Knights put another one up.

Recently, someone flung two bricks - with expletives [the word FAG] written on them - through a front window, destroying two neon signs along the way.

But if the purpose is to run the Knights, who moved to Kansas from southern California, out of business and out of town, they say it's not working.

The worldwide attention is helping business, they say.

Meade, about 170 miles southwest of Wichita, is far from the leading edge of the gay rights movement.

Eighty-nine percent of voters in Meade County cast ballots in favor of a 2005 state constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage and civil unions.

Out of 105 Kansas counties, Meade had the sixth-highest percentage voting for the amendment.

But Thomas Witt, head of the Kansas Equality Coalition, a group whose mission is to end discrimination based on sexual orientation, said he doesn't see evidence of widespread gay intolerance in the town.

"We really think it's not the whole town," he said. "Most of the people out there are live-and-let-live; that's their culture. There's a few bad apples out there who think it's OK to write hate speech attached to a brick and throw it though people's windows."

On Monday, the Knights shared with a visitor a thick notebook filled with e-mails, cards and letters from people who support their right to fly the rainbow flag, for whatever reason.

The southwest Kansas chapter of the equality coalition held its regular meeting Sunday at the Lakeway Hotel. "The meeting was fine," Witt said.

Although there was talk of a demonstration, only about half a dozen young men actually showed up to protest the meeting, he said.

"They said their piece ... that they didn't want us in town," Witt said. Then, they left and drove up and down the street, he said.

Anne Mitchell, the coalition's southwest Kansas representative, said her job takes her to Meade a couple of times a month, and she's found most of the townspeople to be "hard-working, caring and decent folks."

"I just feel like it (the flag flap) is the isolated actions of a few people who got fired up and are acting out," she said.

Several people have suggested holding a gay-pride parade in Meade.

Barbara Wilcox, who covered the story for PlanetOut Network, an online community for gays and lesbians, said it captured people's imaginations because it hit the Web just about the same time the Washington Supreme Court voted to uphold that state's gay marriage ban.

Wilcox said most of her readers saw Knight as someone standing up for gay and lesbian people despite pressure to back down.

"It was kind of a nice scrap of news on a bad day," she said. "Having the guy's flag out there meant a lot to gay and lesbian people all over the world. That's not a small thing."

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“To me it's just like running up a Nazi flag in a Jewish neighborhood. I can't walk into that establishment with that flag flying because to me that's saying that I support what the flag stands for and I don't," says Klassen.

LOL...
Isn't it more accurate to say "it's just like using a dradle in a concentration camp."

MEADE - This quiet town turned into an unlikely flashpoint in the gay rights movement Sunday, with picketers from the anti-gay Westboro Baptist Church facing off against a contingent of rainbow-flag wearing gay rights activists and their backers.

The events - which stem from the controversy caused by a local hotel operator's decision to fly a rainbow flag outside his business - unfolded without incident. But they made for an atypical display in this small farming community of 1,600, best known as the hideout back in the late 1880s for the notorious Dalton brothers gang of bank robbers.

"It's not your everyday occurrence," said Cliff Alley, a local who watched the protesting unfold amid a contingent of Kansas State Troopers called in to help maintain order. He termed the hoopla "kind of ridiculous," but withheld further judgment.

"Everybody's got their own opinion," Alley said. "It's sure not up to me to tell anybody how to live."

On the front lines, meanwhile, the two sides weren't shy about voicing their thoughts.

Nearly 30 picketers from the Topeka-based Westboro church, which says the United States is unraveling because of acceptance of homosexuality, stood on the south side of U.S. 54 at Fowler Street in Meade's city center. The gay rights supporters, about 50 of them from all over Kansas, faced their critics from the north side of the highway.

On Sunday, members of the Topeka-based, anti-gay Westboro Baptist Church picket across the street from the Lakeway Hotel and its supporters in Meade. The group was in town because the hotel has been flying a rainbow flag, which was a gift to the owners from their 12-year-old son. Photo by Lindsey Bauman

The Westboro church, which earlier Sunday had picketed five Meade churches, zeroed in on Meade because of the controversy swirling around the rainbow flag flying outside the Lakeway Hotel here. Proprietors J.R. and Robin Knight received a rainbow flag early last month from their 12-year-old son and they put it up on a pole that fronts the business to remember the boy, now living in California.

However, some didn't like such a symbol in their midst - the rainbow banner represents gay pride, among other things - and two local boys clandestinely cut that original down, later confessing to the deed. Then, someone tossed a brick with the word "fag" scrawled on it through a plate glass window at the hotel, adding to the controversy.

Despite such reaction, Jonathan Phelps, another Westboro member who picketed outside St. John's Lutheran Church here, said Meade, including its churches, is just like any other small town in terms of tolerating homosexuality. But with the flag flap, he said, the city becomes "a forum" to tout the Westboro message, delivered mainly of late by church members at funerals of U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq.

Meade is "a typical American farming community, (it) hates God, (it) hates his word," Jonathan Phelps said. As he spoke, he flipped through the brightly colored, strongly worded signs denouncing homosexuality that are a Westboro trademark - "AIDs is God's curse," read one - and stood on a U.S. flag.

Churchgoers declined comment as they made their way into Sunday services, but other locals said they weren't happy to see the Westboro contingent, or the gay rights activists, for that matter.

"I just want to put a stop to it because Meade is a nice, quiet town," said Matt Hensley, a 10th-grader who held a sign reading "Go home" opposite the contingent of Westboro and gay rights protestors.

The gay rights activists and their supporters, meanwhile, remained insistent that the controversy boils down to their right to live free from discrimination. The regular monthly meeting at the Lakeway of the Kansas Equality Coalition, a gay rights group, was the ostensible reason for the activists' presence, though some protestors said they wanted to face off against the Westboro group.

"We're basically trying to stand up for the right to coexist with others without having a brick thrown through the window," said Dennis Russell, a Wichita State University student sporting a rainbow flag over his shoulders and a rainbow wig on his head.

Sherry Coles of Coldwater, a coalition member whose son died of AIDs, called the Westboro showing "a good opportunity to let people see hate masquerading as religion." She said the Topeka church represents "pure evil" and, in touting the rights of gay people, said "all men are created equal," alluding back to the U.S. Declaration of Independence.

For its part, the Lakeway, adjacent to the protest site, took on a bustling, festive air. Tunes like Macho Man by the Village People and Ballroom Blitz from the Rocky Horror Picture Show movie soundtrack blared from the hotel as the activity unfolded.

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Originally Posted by Rand

For its part, the Lakeway, adjacent to the protest site, took on a bustling, festive air. Tunes like Macho Man by the Village People and Ballroom Blitz from the Rocky Horror Picture Show movie soundtrack blared from the hotel as the activity unfolded.

LOL - Glad to see the Knights haven't lost their sense of humor!

Thanks for the update, Rand. For anyone who's never had the "pleasure" of facing Freddy's Crew, each time I've seen him, the counter-protesters always outnumber the Phelps clan.