But to say that ATL won't come close is once again foolish, considering they were closer LAST year than 20 other teams.

You have to MAKE the playoffs to win the SB, last I checked.Herm? Carl? Is that you?:D

dirk digler

04-12-2009, 09:11 PM

Other than we have a coach and GM who come from teams that stress the WRs as weapons and the TE's as blockers...

It's a deep WR draft on top of that. This is probably dirty to Chiefs fans but you're better off with your weapons being outside and your TE just being a complimentary piece.

I would like to have good WR's we just have never had 2 good ones at the same time. Alot of that probably has to do with the fact they considered Tony better than most WR's out there so they tried to fill the WR with complimentary players.

Also I would probably be for this trade if Tony was coming off a shitty season but he had one of his best seasons ever and still plays at an HOF level.

'Hamas' Jenkins

04-12-2009, 09:13 PM

a 2nd and Jerious Norwood will do the trick.

Norwood and Jamaal Charles are the same player, you dumb sonofabitch.

Touchdown Bowe

04-12-2009, 09:17 PM

The Chiefs might actually strongly consider this deal..they dont have their 2nd round pick and Haleys offense isnt real big on the TE position..I dont see him leaving KC tho

StcChief

04-12-2009, 09:20 PM

The Chiefs might actually strongly consider this deal..they dont have their 2nd round pick and Haleys offense isnt real big on the TE position..I dont see him leaving KC thoespecially for #55 overall with ATL. Gonzo doesn't wanna be with this 9-7 team.

Crush

04-12-2009, 09:25 PM

So you think he should be satisfied with the way the team around him has performed over his career? Just sit quietly and pretend 0 playoff wins is befitting of his ambition and talent?

BTW, I realise well that Pioli "has the right". And that a 2nd round pick could be a much more valuable asset than an aging TE (but the odds are very debatable). But Tony is not the problem with the Chiefs.

1. Should he stay quiet? Yes. He needs to respect the chain of command and keep his mouth shut. The inmates should not be able to run the asylum.

2. Tony is not the problem with the Chiefs? Um... yes he is. He represents everything that is wrong with this franchise. 0-3 in playoff situations. Prima donna attitude. This sense of immortality. Player loyalty. We have won jack shit with Tony. He is old culture. The only way to change the culture of a franchise is to get rid of the losers of the previous culture.

If the Colts can let Marvin Harrison go, then the Chiefs can sure as hell get rid of Tony.

BigChiefFan

04-12-2009, 09:27 PM

Win-win for us.

StcChief

04-12-2009, 09:29 PM

If the Colts can let Marvin Harrison go, then the Chiefs can sure as hell get rid of Tony. big difference. our TE situation much better than route runner Marvin. Gonzo is to Chiefs much more of a play maker.

TRR

04-12-2009, 09:29 PM

For those saying TG doesn't fit Haley's offensive scheme...His scheme is built around his players, and will feature whatever talent he has. If its two WR's like Bolden and Fitzgerald, then Haley will scheme with that in mind. If your talent lies within Bowe and TG, then you can BET Haley will be scheming around them.

To say that Gonzalez should be traded for a lousy late second round pick because "Haley's offense doesn't use the TE" is ridiculous. If that were true, he should be fired right now. Haley WILL USE GONZALEZ...PERIOD.
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macdawg

04-12-2009, 09:49 PM

If we can get a 2nd for Tony... bye bye. A 2nd rd pick for a guy who is going to play another year or two TOPS... for me its a no brainer.

I have a hard on for Cottam and think we has the tools to be the kind of player that can change a game like Tony did for us.

6'8 271... AND can catch AND a 4.6 40?!?!?! Yeesh. He learns how to use that big body to block as well and we are set for the next decade.

Cottam is injury prone & he runs so upright, I'll be shocked if he makes it through one season without missing games let alone 10 years.

'Hamas' Jenkins

04-12-2009, 09:49 PM

Haley's scheme is built around players, just like our talent suggests we should move to a 3-4.

Raised On Riots

04-12-2009, 09:50 PM

2. Tony is not the problem with the Chiefs? Um... yes he is. He represents everything that is wrong with this franchise. 0-3 in playoff situations. Prima donna attitude. This sense of immortality. Player loyalty. We have won jack shit with Tony. He is old culture. The only way to change the culture of a franchise is to get rid of the losers of the previous culture.

That'a bit much, and not exactly the most factual statement I've ever read. I don't have any problem trading him, but 55 just seems like a very weak deal.

Now, if someone were to produce a list of players taken between 52 and 57 in the last 10 years and the overall output was good, I might warm up to the deal.

Raised On Riots

04-12-2009, 09:51 PM

Haley's scheme is built around players, just like our talent suggests we should move to a 3-4.

Ouch! Don't hurt 'em Hammer! ROFL

Mecca

04-12-2009, 09:55 PM

I would like to have good WR's we just have never had 2 good ones at the same time. Alot of that probably has to do with the fact they considered Tony better than most WR's out there so they tried to fill the WR with complimentary players.

Also I would probably be for this trade if Tony was coming off a shitty season but he had one of his best seasons ever and still plays at an HOF level.

If he had just had a shitty season you wouldn't be getting offered a 2nd round pick...

You do understand that if they're offering a 2nd that's the same thing Jason Taylor went for? Think about that...

I know this market gets attached to guys like Gonzalez since it's all we got since they never win anything.

OnTheWarpath58

04-12-2009, 09:56 PM

That'a bit much, and not exactly the most factual statement I've ever read. I don't have any problem trading him, but 55 just seems like a very weak deal.

Now, if someone were to produce a list of players taken between 52 and 57 in the last 10 years and the overall output was good, I might warm up to the deal.

"Bring that one backstage, he's cute".
( and thus the CP mack daddy known as "Hootie" was born )

Mecca

04-12-2009, 11:14 PM

Help win what?

Another 10 games over his last 2 years?

School the young guns how?

By showing them that they can bitch and moan through the media if they perform on the field?

I still want to know why people think Tony Gonzalez is a team leader.

Raised On Riots

04-12-2009, 11:17 PM

I still want to know why people think Tony Gonzalez is a team leader.

Does he even spend any time in KC outside of the season? It's not a big deal to me personally, I'm just somewhat curious.

T-post Tom

04-12-2009, 11:18 PM

I still want to know why people think Tony Gonzalez is a team leader.

I've heard Dwaye Bowe talk about how he's learned from TG and TG's work ethic. I'm pretty sure some of the other young receivers have mentioned it also. Of course, his mini soap opera with the trade issue hasn't helped his cause.

Short Leash Hootie

04-12-2009, 11:19 PM

I still want to know why people think Tony Gonzalez is a team leader.
He's missed what...1 game in his entire career?

Leaves it all the field every Sunday...

How is that not being a team leader?

You ever see him bitching at coaches on the sideline? Or teammates?

Some of you are just quick to point out anything about Tony Gonzalez that paints him in a negative light because he's so skilled at his craft and it makes the mecca's of the world (who live in their parents' basement) very jealous and insecure.

TEX

04-12-2009, 11:20 PM

Good God Just say no... Clark have some integrity here. Gonzo needs to go out as Chief.

This.

Mecca

04-12-2009, 11:22 PM

He's missed what...1 game in his entire career?

Leaves it all the field every Sunday...

How is that not being a team leader?

You ever see him bitching at coaches on the sideline? Or teammates?

Some of you are just quick to point out anything about Tony Gonzalez that paints him in a negative light because he's so skilled at his craft and it makes the mecca's of the world (who live in their parents' basement) very jealous and insecure.

Excuse me, I don't think Mr I rape my ex girlfriend and take videos of my roommates penis has any place to ever talk shit on me. And really parents basement jokes are pretty old on the net, that's the first thing anyone goes to for anyone. Are you to drunk to think of good lines?

And just because you show up everyday and are good at what you do does not make you a team leader.

Raised On Riots

04-12-2009, 11:25 PM

Excuse me, I don't think Mr I rape my ex girlfriend and take videos of my roommates penis has any place to ever talk shit on me. And really parents basement jokes are pretty old on the net, that's the first thing anyone goes to for anyone. Are you to drunk to think of good lines?

And just because you show up everyday and are good at what you do does not make you a team leader.

Excuse me, I don't think Mr I rape my ex girlfriend and take videos of my roommates penis has any place to ever talk shit on me. And really parents basement jokes are pretty old on the net, that's the first thing anyone goes to for anyone. Are you to drunk to think of good lines?

And just because you show up everyday and are good at what you do does not make you a team leader.

What the fuck?

Skip Towne

04-12-2009, 11:27 PM

He's missed what...1 game in his entire career?

Leaves it all the field every Sunday...

How is that not being a team leader?

You ever see him bitching at coaches on the sideline? Or teammates?

Some of you are just quick to point out anything about Tony Gonzalez that paints him in a negative light because he's so skilled at his craft and it makes the mecca's of the world (who live in their parents' basement) very jealous and insecure.

I've seen him bitch at Bowe for bringing his defender into Tony's area even when Bowe caught a TD.

Mecca

04-12-2009, 11:27 PM

I just don't personally see Tony Gonzalez as a leader. He's a great player and does and all that but I don't see him as a big vocal team guy that is a leader. I've never seen him that way he doesn't strike me that way with his personality either.

Being a great player HOF caliber player does not mean you are a team leader it just means you're a great player. They aren't the same thing.

Short Leash Hootie

04-12-2009, 11:27 PM

Excuse me, I don't think Mr I rape my ex girlfriend and take videos of my roommates penis has any place to ever talk shit on me. And really parents basement jokes are pretty old on the net, that's the first thing anyone goes to for anyone. Are you to drunk to think of good lines?

I moved away from home when I was 18...like most normal people. If you're 25 and still being claimed as a dependent...(fill in the blanks)

Mecca

04-12-2009, 11:28 PM

What the fuck?

You missed that thread eh? I'm sure you can find it...

Pablo

04-12-2009, 11:28 PM

What the ****?
Eh..Hootie just stated in a thread he likes getting his ex incredibly drunk to the point of barely being able to walk, then try and get him some..

I dunno if it's really rape, because there is the familiarity factor..but that's where he got that from.

Pablo

04-12-2009, 11:29 PM

I moved away from home when I was 18...like most normal people. If you're 25 and still being claimed as a dependent...(fill in the blanks)Oh shit.

Burn ward, son.

KCBOSS1

04-12-2009, 11:29 PM

Tony's the greatest TE ever! Bar none. He's the most consistent of anybody on our team for years. But just curious, how many years...offseasons have we heard the same junk from him. I don't think he's a bad guy. But he hasn't wanted to be here for years it seems to me. People wearing his jerseys in the stadius, applauding him continually, bragging about him continually. He's got the Ring Chaser syndrome. Trade him. Get a young gun out of him. whatever.

Skip Towne

04-12-2009, 11:30 PM

I moved away from home when I was 18...like most normal people. If you're 25 and still being claimed as a dependent...(fill in the blanks)

Mecca and Claythan are pretty similar.

Short Leash Hootie

04-12-2009, 11:30 PM

Eh..Hootie just stated in a thread he likes getting his ex incredibly drunk to the point of barely being able to walk, then try and get him some..

I dunno if it's really rape, because there is the familiarity factor..but that's where he got that from.

You guys are fucking idiots.

Apparently, none of you have ever been drunk before and have had sex...apparently two drunk people having sex is some unheard of phenomenon around here (which makes sense for Mecca, the 40 year looking man living in his parent's basement...)

Mecca

04-12-2009, 11:30 PM

Oh shit.

Burn ward, son.

I'm sure many people in life are aspiring to be alcoholics that drunk rape their exes then smash plates on their roommates head "because it's funny" while they stare at other guys penises all the time..

Great life Hootie is leading there.

Pablo

04-12-2009, 11:31 PM

Tony's the greatest TE ever! Bar none. He's the most consistent of anybody on our team for years. But just curious, how many years...offseasons have we heard the same junk from him. I don't think he's a bad guy. But he hasn't wanted to be here for years it seems to me. People wearing his jerseys in the stadius, applauding him continually, bragging about him continually. He's got the Ring Chaser syndrome. Trade him. Get a young gun out of him. whatever.Yeah, Tony can go..I mean, maybe a guy like Robiskie will be there at 55, I know he's not a burner but he's a pretty solid WR.

So we could grab another WR, and we have Cottam waiting in the wings to take Tony's spot. It wouldn't kill me to see him go, and I'm as big of a Tony fan as anyone.

KCBOSS1

04-12-2009, 11:32 PM

Why don't you guys go start a basement living, ex-girlfriend whatever thread of your own and just beat each other into oblivion so we don't have to scan this crap to talk about the Chiefs. You know who I'm talking to.

Mecca

04-12-2009, 11:32 PM

Personally I think the fact that Hootie of all people is talking shit is pretty amusing.

Mecca

04-12-2009, 11:33 PM

Why don't you guys go start a basement living, ex-girlfriend whatever thread of your own and just beat each other into oblivion so we don't have to scan this crap to talk about the Chiefs. You know who I'm talking to.

He went for the personal attack first...

Pablo

04-12-2009, 11:33 PM

You guys are ****ing idiots.

Apparently, none of you have ever been drunk before and have had sex...apparently two drunk people having sex is some unheard of phenomenon around here (which makes sense for Mecca, the 40 year looking man living in his parent's basement...)I was just explaining it in the context which Mecca took that statement you made.

I'm not gonna go pour over the thread to find what you actually stated, but it somehow was inferred in that thread you were a drunk-rapist, or whatever.

Mecca

04-12-2009, 11:34 PM

I was just explaining it in the context which Mecca took that statement you made.

I'm not gonna go pour over the thread to find what you actually stated, but it somehow was inferred in that thread you were a drunk-rapist, or whatever.

I think the end result of the thread was the conclusion that Hootie is a complete douchebag.

Short Leash Hootie

04-12-2009, 11:34 PM

I'm sure many people in life are aspiring to be alcoholics that drunk rape their exes then smash plates on their roommates head "because it's funny" while they stare at other guys penises all the time..

Great life Hootie is leading there.

Lets pretend the light you just painted on my current life is really how it is...

I'd take that life 100 times out of 100 when compared to a (I'm not sure, 25-27 year old) dude with terrible grooming habits that is claimed by his parents, lives in their basement, and plays message board GM while jerking it to countless hours off tranny porn and talking about how moronic it is to get drunk blah blah blah (all the while living a life without a job, a girlfriend, etc...)

So really, guy, spare me.

pr_capone

04-12-2009, 11:34 PM

He went for the personal attack first...

Not really taking a shot at you here Mecca but that is the kind of thing that my elementary school kids say.

Short Leash Hootie

04-12-2009, 11:35 PM

I was just explaining it in the context which Mecca took that statement you made.

I'm not gonna go pour over the thread to find what you actually stated, but it somehow was inferred in that thread you were a drunk-rapist, or whatever.
When I dated the girl, I'd laugh with my friends the next day because we'd be so drunk that at times it felt like I was raping her.

It was a joke. When she's in the bar grabbing my cock and saying "lets fuck", I don't think it can be construed as rape.

Mecca

04-12-2009, 11:36 PM

I think the way I painted you is more accurate than how you just painted me...but hey think what you wanna think.

Why are you judging my grooming habits? Have you seen that much penis that you now swing that way?

Mecca

04-12-2009, 11:36 PM

Not really taking a shot at you here Mecca but that is the kind of thing that my elementary school kids say.

Sure but I don't do that shit unless it's brought to me first...especially by someone as dense as Hootie.

Raised On Riots

04-12-2009, 11:37 PM

Why don't you guys go start a basement living, ex-girlfriend whatever thread of your own and just beat each other into oblivion so we don't have to scan this crap to talk about the Chiefs. You know who I'm talking to.

ROFL

pr_capone

04-12-2009, 11:37 PM

I think the way I painted you is more accurate than how you just painted me...but hey think what you wanna think.

Why are you judging my grooming habits? Have you seen that much penis that you now swing that way?

Ok... did you post your wang on here or something that he knows about your grooming habits???

WTF have I missed around here?!?!?!

DeezNutz

04-12-2009, 11:38 PM

I still want to know why people think Tony Gonzalez is a team leader.

I think there is merit in leading by example, and Gonzo's practice habits are supposed to be outstanding. And I know I've heard reports of him being pissed because Bowe doesn't follow his lead.

Just saying. There's more than one model for how to be a leader, and I do think that Gonzo brings some leadership qualities to the team.

But, again, there's only so much of a leader that I believe a TE or a G can be. Ideally, leadership will stem from the most important positions. But...

Mecca

04-12-2009, 11:38 PM

Ok... did you post your wang on here or something that he knows about your grooming habits???

WTF have I missed around here?!?!?!

LOL, someone didn't inform him that growing out your hair is a style he just thinks it's poor grooming or something.

'Hamas' Jenkins

04-12-2009, 11:38 PM

Hootie likes to be a braggart when discussing these romps or stories of dipshittery, but when he's really pressed on it, (like someone mentioning googling Em-Dawg), his e-sac shrinks like he's teabagging a snowman.

Pablo

04-12-2009, 11:38 PM

Ok... did you post your wang on here or something that he knows about your grooming habits???

WTF have I missed around here?!?!?!It's been said Mecca's a shoe-in to win a Travis Tritt look-a-like contest, if one were ever to be held.

So..I guess he's got the long-hair/mullet/goatee look.

Pretty much the standard look for 90% of Chiefs fans at Camarohead.

Short Leash Hootie

04-12-2009, 11:38 PM

Personally I think the fact that Hootie of all people is talking shit is pretty amusing.
Are you mad that, in real life, people actually LIKE me, I actually PAY rent, I've actually HELD a job (long term), and overall people enjoy my presence (sounds hard to believe)?

I understand that you are, no doubt, a very lonely, very disturbed person (even if you want to play it off like you're not), otherwise you wouldn't be an a grown adult unable to provide for yourself. That's just not how ordinary people operate...most strive to become productive members of society...and while I'm probably not quite there yet, at least I'm on my way.

Rain Man

04-12-2009, 11:39 PM

I still want to know why people think Tony Gonzalez is a team leader.

I think any guy who is a ten-time pro bowler (or whatever) is a leader, whether he intends to be or not. The young players are going to watch what he does and how he handles things.

He was the guy last year who was telling Croyle, "You can eat [fried foods] and play one year or you can watch your diet and play 13 years." I remember Croyle saying something about it, and how Croyle just ate whatever he wanted. [Insert Mrs. Croyle joke here.]

Mecca

04-12-2009, 11:39 PM

It's been said Mecca's a shoe-in to win a Travis Tritt look-a-like contest, if one were ever to be held.

So..I guess he's got the long-hair/mullet/goatee look.

Pretty much the standard look for 90% of Chiefs fans at Camarohead.

Please it is not a mullet, a mullet is one of the worst haircuts possible.

Pablo

04-12-2009, 11:41 PM

Please it is not a mullet, a mullet is one of the worst haircuts possible.Just embrace the mullet, man.

I've had bad haircuts. I had a chili-bowl in like 3rd grade..it replaced my rat-tail look.

Bowser

04-12-2009, 11:41 PM

I think any guy who is a ten-time pro bowler (or whatever) is a leader, whether he intends to be or not. The young players are going to watch what he does and how he handles things.

He was the guy last year who was telling Croyle, "You can eat [fried foods] and play one year or you can watch your diet and play 13 years." I remember Croyle saying something about it, and how Croyle just ate whatever he wanted. [Insert Mrs. Croyle joke here.]

There is no way Kelli can be fattening. She looks like pretty lean meat.

You're welcome.

DeezNutz

04-12-2009, 11:42 PM

There is no way Kelli can be fattening. She looks like pretty lean meat.

You're welcome.

Nah. He'd tear his tongue.

Mecca

04-12-2009, 11:42 PM

Just embrace the mullet, man.

I've had bad haircuts. I had a chili-bowl in like 3rd grade..it replaced my rat-tail look.

Rat tail :shake:

Pablo

04-12-2009, 11:42 PM

There is no way Kelli can be fattening. She looks like pretty lean meat.

You're welcome.Something on me fattens up every time I see her.

Hey-Oh!

Short Leash Hootie

04-12-2009, 11:42 PM

Hootie likes to be a braggart when discussing these romps or stories of dipshittery, but when he's really pressed on it, (like someone mentioning googling Em-Dawg), his e-sac shrinks like he's teabagging a snowman.

How do you figure?

Every story or post I've made regarding my personal life on this website is TRUE.

I'd rather people not google my friends/ex-girlfriends/family members...sure. That makes sense, don't you think?

But I guess with all of the people I rub the wrong way with these stories (not sure why anyone cares THAT much), one of you dipshits will go out of your way to turn it into something personal just so you can all high five and get your jollies off.

The problem is, there is really only one angle anyone can attack which would upset me...and it's not somehow finding Em-dawg and linking her to these threads via facebook. She'd A) expect it from me and B) shrug it off...can't do anything about the truth.

'Hamas' Jenkins

04-12-2009, 11:43 PM

That's just not how ordinary people operate...most strive to become productive members of society...and while I'm probably not quite there yet, at least I'm on my way.

Define irony.

http://www.tisbuscemi.com/wp-content/uploads/garland250x191.bmp

Pablo

04-12-2009, 11:43 PM

Rat tail :shake:That was more my white trash family/school than me.

It's kinda sad..there were a quite a few of us at school that had sweet rat-tails.

Mecca

04-12-2009, 11:44 PM

That was more my white trash family/school than me.

It's kinda sad..there were a quite a few of us at school that had sweet rat-tails.

I'm only going to cut you some slack because you appear to be a Jon Lajoie fan.

'Hamas' Jenkins

04-12-2009, 11:45 PM

How do you figure?

Every story or post I've made regarding my personal life on this website is TRUE.

I'd rather people not google my friends/ex-girlfriends/family members...sure. That makes sense, don't you think?

But I guess with all of the people I rub the wrong way with these stories (not sure why anyone cares THAT much), one of you dipshits will go out of your way to turn it into something personal just so you can all high five and get your jollies off.

The problem is, there is really only one angle anyone can attack which would upset me...and it's not somehow finding Em-dawg and linking her to these threads via facebook. She'd A) expect it from me and B) shrug it off...can't do anything about the truth.

She'd find it funny, you bragged about it, then when pressed you vociferously didn't want people to do it.

That's duplicitous bullshit.

Pablo

04-12-2009, 11:45 PM

I'm only going to cut you some slack because you appear to be a Jon Lajoie fan.Yeah..he's a pretty funny sumbitch.

At least I get it. I get that I need a degree, I get that the college lifestyle is only a small phase...and I get the fact that I, someday, need to grow up and start being a productive member of society.

And I guarantee that's happening far before Mecca accomplishes whatever he's setting out to accomplish (which, from what I can tell, is pretty much nothing.)

* Cottam will replace TonyG as THE tight end in KC
* If offered, we should take that 2nd from ATL

This thing about Cottam being injury prone... again, I honestly have tried to wipe out last season from my memory. I know he broke his wrist in college but I don't recall him missing any games as a pro.

Getting his wrist broken does not equal being injury prone.

Short Leash Hootie

04-12-2009, 11:53 PM

She'd find it funny, you bragged about it, then when pressed you vociferously didn't want people to do it.

That's duplicitous bullshit.
Ok...

I don't know how to explain this.

Perhaps I tripped over my words in that thread.

I don't want her to see that thread...but if it came down to it, the next time I see her, if it really bothered you all THAT much...I'd show her the damn thread and I guarantee all she would do is laugh. That's how she is.

We're just not on those terms anymore...we don't AIM, we don't text, we don't call each other, we're not buddy/buddy...

The story was funny because I hadn't talked to her in two months...before the night I told my friend my goal for the night was to have sex with her.

The cool thing is...not a single post in that thread is fabricated, made up, or untrue. So no matter how far anyone wanted to dig (which seems ridiculous to me, because unlike midnight_vulture, I did nothing malicious to any member on this site...I didn't lie...all I did was tell a story, that in all reality, did nothing but depict me as an asshole idiot who sucks at life) nothing could happen. It wouldn't effect me in any way...my friends all know the story and think it is hilarious...Emily might find me creepy for posting about her on ChiefsPlanet...but what's the worst thing that can happen? We don't hook up once every three months anymore? Big loss for me! I don't know about you guys, but really intoxicated, unattached, drunk sex with a girl you really don't have any respect for (anymore) really isn't that exciting, and is really nothing more than a 'haha that girl still likes me' kind of thing.

Pablo

04-12-2009, 11:58 PM

can we get back to the subject at hand?

* Cottam will replace TonyG as THE tight end in KC
* If offered, we should take that 2nd from ATL

This thing about Cottam being injury prone... again, I honestly have tried to wipe out last season from my memory. I know he broke his wrist in college but I don't recall him missing any games as a pro.

Getting his wrist broken does not equal being injury prone.Cottam will be perfectly fine in a system that doesn't require him to catch for 1,000+ and 10 TD's a year. He's had Tony to mentor him a bit, so maybe he's got a good work ethic..I'm not concerned about filling the TE position, as we'll hopefully nullify it as an essential part of the offensive threat.

God, I'd just love to see two competent receivers...

Mecca

04-12-2009, 11:59 PM

Cottam will be perfectly fine in a system that doesn't require him to catch for 1,000+ and 10 TD's a year. He's had Tony to mentor him a bit, so maybe he's got a good work ethic..I'm not concerned about filling the TE position, as we'll hopefully nullify it as an essential part of the offensive threat.

God, I'd just love to see two competent receivers...

Hey we're lucky to have 1, it only took 20 years for that to happen.

Bowser

04-13-2009, 12:00 AM

Cottam will be perfectly fine in a system that doesn't require him to catch for 1,000+ and 10 TD's a year. He's had Tony to mentor him a bit, so maybe he's got a good work ethic..I'm not concerned about filling the TE position, as we'll hopefully nullify it as an essential part of the offensive threat.

God, I'd just love to see two competent receivers...

Bowe
Engram
Franklin

That's a decent 2, 3, and 4. Jeff Webb can kick rock.

Mecca

04-13-2009, 12:01 AM

In fairness Franklin should probably do something before he call him decent at anything...

Pablo

04-13-2009, 12:01 AM

Hey we're lucky to have 1, it only took 20 years for that to happen.
No shit..but I mean, is Robiskie looking like a lock for the early 2nd or would be around at 55 for the Chiefs to look at?

I know everyone hates OSU, but I really liked this dude that past couple of seasons. He's got decent speed and really good hands..good route-runner too.

Mecca

04-13-2009, 12:03 AM

No shit..but I mean, is Robiskie looking like a lock for the early 2nd or would be around at 55 for the Chiefs to look at?

I know everyone hates OSU, but I really liked this dude that past couple of seasons. He's got decent speed and really good hands..good route-runner too.

Ehh, I don't think he's enough of a changeup out there to put him starting with Bowe.

For me to take a WR who wasn't a burner to pair with Bowe I'd have to have no question that he'd be special.

Pablo

04-13-2009, 12:03 AM

Bowe
Engram
Franklin

That's a decent 2, 3, and 4. Jeff Webb can kick rock.I dunno..I thought Bradley was a pretty solid #2 for the Chiefs. Nothing spectacular, but a good complement to Bowe. Although he is injury prone.

Franklin hasn't done anything yet..and I like him as much as a KU fan can like a Mizzou product, but he just hasn't been utilized yet.

pr_capone

04-13-2009, 12:03 AM

Cottam will be perfectly fine in a system that doesn't require him to catch for 1,000+ and 10 TD's a year. He's had Tony to mentor him a bit, so maybe he's got a good work ethic..I'm not concerned about filling the TE position, as we'll hopefully nullify it as an essential part of the offensive threat.

God, I'd just love to see two competent receivers...

Tony has gone over 1k only 4 times and caught 10+ TD only 3 times in his career.

I'm not saying that Cottam will take Tony's place without missing a beat but the man can run, catch, and break tackles. I'll post that Cottam video again. I got a chubby last time I watched it.

This guy can be a MONSTER.Yeah, the numbers weren't rock solid..but I'm sure Tony is averaging close to 900 yards and 8 TD's a season. That's some pretty serious production for a TE.

Mecca

04-13-2009, 12:05 AM

I'm sure he can play, most teams don't ask their TE to be a major offensive weapon. Hell if you want a guy who is a superb receiving TE there are a couple of those guys in the draft and you could pair them up with Cottam.

Short Leash Hootie

04-13-2009, 12:08 AM

Cottam had 21 receptions and 1 TD in his college career.

Had he been healthy all 4 years...the dude would have been a 1st round pick...he's almost as much of a freak as Vernon Davis.

Blick

04-13-2009, 12:08 AM

Cottam will never stay healthy. I'll bet anything on that.

pr_capone

04-13-2009, 12:10 AM

Cottam will never stay healthy. I'll bet anything on that.

What the fuck do you base that on?

Because he broke his wrist in college?

Or did your Magic 8 Ball say "Not Likely" after you shook it and asked whether or not Cottam would stay healthy?

Bowser

04-13-2009, 12:11 AM

I dunno..I thought Bradley was a pretty solid #2 for the Chiefs. Nothing spectacular, but a good complement to Bowe. Although he is injury prone.

Franklin hasn't done anything yet..and I like him as much as a KU fan can like a Mizzou product, but he just hasn't been utilized yet.

Fuck, forgot Bradley. Get a legit #1 receiver in here, and that's potentially a great 5 receiver set.

Mecca

04-13-2009, 12:12 AM

He could be injury prone just the same as he may not be, we're not talking Brodie Croyle here.

Micjones

04-13-2009, 12:12 AM

A legitimate #2 would eliminate the need to rely so heavily upon Gonzo.

Mecca

04-13-2009, 12:12 AM

Fuck, forgot Bradley. Get a legit #1 receiver in here, and that's potentially a great 5 receiver set.

Now if someone wants to throw out injury prone for Bradley, that'd be accurate.

Raised On Riots

04-13-2009, 12:12 AM

Cottam will never stay healthy. I'll bet anything on that.

What the fuck do you base that on?

Because he broke his wrist in college?

Or did your Magic 8 Ball say "Not Likely" after you shook it and asked whether or not Cottam would stay healthy?

I hate that shit too. Unless it's done in "Jerkitude", a drive-by is worthless.

Pablo

04-13-2009, 12:13 AM

****, forgot Bradley. Get a legit #1 receiver in here, and that's potentially a great 5 receiver set.If Bowe spends some time in the offseason with a fucking Juggs machine..he IS a legit #1.

Right now, he's a great #1 for this franchise, but he's still play second fiddle on quite a few teams..but if he gets rid of the dropsies...he'll be a great WR for years to come.

Micjones

04-13-2009, 12:14 AM

If Bowe spends some time in the offseason with a fucking Juggs machine..he IS a legit #1.

Right now, he's a great #1 for this franchise, but he's still play second fiddle on quite a few teams..but if he gets rid of the dropsies...he'll be a great WR for years to come.

Indeed. I think after watching some tape Haley will be on his ass about that.
I expect to see big changes in Bowe this season.

Mecca

04-13-2009, 12:16 AM

Bowes a fine player but this is a year where we'd be best served to try to get a WR, it's a very good WR draft...

Pablo

04-13-2009, 12:16 AM

Indeed. I think after watching some tape Haley will be on his ass about that.
I expect to see big changes in Bowe this season.I certainly hope so.

I like the guy as much as anyone, and I really love how physical he can be..but he's got the T.O. syndrome right now.

Pablo

04-13-2009, 12:17 AM

Bowes a fine player but this is a year where we'd be best served to try to get a WR, it's a very good WR draft...It'd be great if we had a late 1st/early 2nd round pick...

Micjones

04-13-2009, 12:17 AM

Bowes a fine player but this is a year where we'd be best served to try to get a WR, it's a very good WR draft...

Agreed.
WR-rich Draft class.
I'd definitely go there early.

Crabtree, Maclin, DHB, Robiskie, etc.
We could be set for years to come.

Micjones

04-13-2009, 12:18 AM

I certainly hope so.

I like the guy as much as anyone, and I really love how physical he can be..but he's got the T.O. syndrome right now.

As much as he did for Fitzgerald (a guy who was pretty damn special beforehand)... I think he can do the same for Bowe.

Bowser

04-13-2009, 12:18 AM

Now if someone wants to throw out injury prone for Bradley, that'd be accurate.Yes it would. Shame, too. The kid seems to be able to play. I remember him tearing it up at Oklahoma, too.

If Bowe spends some time in the offseason with a fucking Juggs machine..he IS a legit #1.

Right now, he's a great #1 for this franchise, but he's still play second fiddle on quite a few teams..but if he gets rid of the dropsies...he'll be a great WR for years to come.

The only reason I don't see Bowe as a #1 is his aparent lack of breakaway speed. However, that may just be the way they utilized him in the routes he ran. As for his dropsies, I am thinking (hoping) he had a bit of a sophomore slump with the dropsies. Gonzalez had a shitlaod his second year too, iirc.

Mecca

04-13-2009, 12:20 AM

Agreed.
WR-rich Draft class.
I'd definitely go there early.

Crabtree, Maclin, DHB, Robiskie, etc.
We could be set for years to come.

You didn't even throw out the guy who I think is the lock to be a top of the line player at the position.

Pablo

04-13-2009, 12:20 AM

Yes it would. Shame, too. The kid seems to be able to play. I remember him tearing it up at Oklahoma, too.

The only reason I don't see Bowe as a #1 is his aparent lack of breakaway speed. However, that may just be the way they utilized him in the routes he ran. As for his dropsies, I am thinking (hoping) he had a bit of a sophomore slump with the dropsies. Gonzalez had a shitlaod his second year too, iirc.Yeah, he doesn't have elite speed..but neither does Fitz.

You don't have to be really fast to be a legit #1, but you sure as shit HAVE to catch the ball.

Pablo

04-13-2009, 12:21 AM

You didn't even throw out the guy who I think is the lock to be a top of the line player at the position.
Nicks?

Blick

04-13-2009, 12:21 AM

What the **** do you base that on?

Because he broke his wrist in college?

Or did your Magic 8 Ball say "Not Likely" after you shook it and asked whether or not Cottam would stay healthy?

It's just a hunch. He looks soft, and with his frame, I think he will be prone to a lot of injuries.

Micjones

04-13-2009, 12:22 AM

You didn't even throw out the guy who I think is the lock to be a top of the line player at the position.

It's just a hunch. He looks soft, and with his frame, I think he will be prone to a lot of injuries.Wha???

Cottam is a effin stud. 6'7" monster..I dunno how soft could even possibly be in your vocabulary to describe him.

Blick

04-13-2009, 12:28 AM

Wha???

Cottam is a effin stud. 6'7" monster..I dunno how soft could even possibly be in your vocabulary to describe him.

If he's such a stud, then why did he only have 21 career grabs and 1 TD?

And, for such a big guy, he's not a good blocker.

pr_capone

04-13-2009, 12:29 AM

It's just a hunch. He looks soft, and with his frame, I think he will be prone to a lot of injuries.

You are right...

at 6'8 and 271 pounds the guy is a daisy!

Just look at his arms!

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0a6F1Qx0Cvdcv/610x.jpg

A stiff breeze would snap those bad boys like they are twigs!

:rolleyes:

Micjones

04-13-2009, 12:32 AM

Ah...

Hakeem Nicks.

Not a particularly fast WR, but does a lot of things well.
Good hands, runs routes well, good after the catch.

Michael Irvin-esque.

I'll take him. I think I'd rather have a guy like DHB who can be a vertical threat, but I wouldn't complain at all if they took Nicks.

kcchiefsus

04-13-2009, 12:32 AM

Yes it would. Shame, too. The kid seems to be able to play. I remember him tearing it up at Oklahoma, too.

The only reason I don't see Bowe as a #1 is his aparent lack of breakaway speed. However, that may just be the way they utilized him in the routes he ran. As for his dropsies, I am thinking (hoping) he had a bit of a sophomore slump with the dropsies. Gonzalez had a shitlaod his second year too, iirc.

Based on 40 time alone Bowe is faster than guys like Larry Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin, and Terrell Owens and had an almost identical time to Brandon Marshall. I really don't think his speed would keep him from being a true #1 WR.

Mecca

04-13-2009, 12:36 AM

Ah...

Hakeem Nicks.

Not a particularly fast WR, but does a lot of things well.
Good hands, runs routes well, good after the catch.

Michael Irvin-esque.

I'll take him. I think I'd rather have a guy like DHB who can be a vertical threat, but I wouldn't complain at all if they took Nicks.

I actually think Nicks is a bit better than he's given credit for. Being a vertical threat is more than just being super fast and he very much understands how to get open on those routes.

I see alot of Reggie Wayne and a little Anquan Boldin in him.

Blick

04-13-2009, 12:40 AM

You are right...

at 6'8 and 271 pounds the guy is a daisy!

Just look at his arms!

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0a6F1Qx0Cvdcv/610x.jpg

A stiff breeze would snap those bad boys like they are twigs!

:rolleyes:

A TE that tall is going to take a lot of hits around his knees.

Also, a guy that big should have developed himself into a blocker. He didn't and that tells me that he's not physical.

Micjones

04-13-2009, 12:43 AM

I actually think Nicks is a bit better than he's given credit for. Being a vertical threat is more than just being super fast and he very much understands how to get open on those routes.

I see alot of Reggie Wayne and a little Anquan Boldin in him.

He has all the intangibles. I can live with 4.5 40 speed.

Mecca

04-13-2009, 12:46 AM

Strengths:
Ideal height and bulk with long arms...Excellent route runner...Has big, strong, reliable hands...Plucks the ball out of the air and can make the difficult catch...Great body control and ball skills...Aggressive and is a decent leaper...Good balance and agility...Tough, strong and physical...Will work the middle of the field...Able to do some damage after the catch...Nice instincts and awareness...Team player with solid intangibles...Extremely competitive...Experienced...Very productive.

Weaknesses:
Just average speed and quickness...Is not very explosive and lacks a burst...Doesn't get a lot of separation...Probably won't be much of a vertical threat...Not very elusive and lacks wiggle...Motor runs hot and cold...Must work harder as a blocker...Might be a little too cocky.

Notes:
Was a three-year starter in the ACC...Never lost a single game in high school...Named 1st Team All-ACC in 2007 and 2008...Holds 14 Tar Heel records including career receptions, career receiving yards and career touchdowns...Wrapped up his college career with an amazing performance in the Meineke Car Care Bowl where he caught 8 balls for 217 yards and 3 touchdowns...Missed one game with an ankle sprain in 2006 but otherwise was pretty healthy...The best of the three Tar Heel wideouts that will be drafted this year...Is not the most physically gifted prospect in the world but he makes up for it by doing all of the little things...Profiles as a prototypical possession receiver in the NFL.

When I read these I always wonder, especially at the WR position what's wrong with being cocky?

Raised On Riots

04-13-2009, 12:48 AM

I actually think Nicks is a bit better than he's given credit for. Being a vertical threat is more than just being super fast and he very much understands how to get open on those routes.

I see alot of Reggie Wayne and a little Anquan Boldin in him.

ROFL Fuckin Corner get's TORCHED at 2:50! Kid does have "glue hands".

Haley rode Fitz's ass on timing and routes, I see a lot of that problem with Bowe. Of course, having someone throw to you that isn't Tyler Thigpen will probably help a lot too.

Pablo

04-13-2009, 12:50 AM

Haley rode Fitz's ass on timing and routes, I see a lot of that problem with Bowe. Of course, having someone throw to you that isn't Tyler Thigpen will probably help a lot too.Bowe's got to work with gems like Tyler Thigpen, Brodie Croyle and Damon Huard..what a lucky guy.

Raised On Riots

04-13-2009, 12:57 AM

Bowe's got to work with gems like Tyler Thigpen, Brodie Croyle and Damon Huard..what a lucky guy.

I've seen Bowe bring down some pretty sweet "glue catches". If he can stand the coming heat, I think he'll be a great receiver in this league.

DaneMcCloud

04-13-2009, 12:58 AM

Bowe's got to work with gems like Tyler Thigpen, Brodie Croyle and Damon Huard..what a lucky guy.

While that's true, he's had more than his fair share of dropped balls that were clearly catchable.

macdawg

04-13-2009, 01:32 AM

I've always thought Bowe had really good hands, or am I mistaken??? I know at the very least he has made some amazing TD catches that not many guys could make.

Wow, I think he redefined "circus catch" on one of those. This guy looks like a future NFL star.

Saccopoo

04-13-2009, 01:41 AM

A second round pick...for a guy that can't do any more for this franchise than he already has? A guy that has, at most, three more years at a position that is usually considered a pass catching offensive tackle safety valve at best? A guy that can be re-signed for league minimum to come back to the organization to get his number retired whenever he chooses to do so?

That sounds effing retarded. We should hold out for their first round pick!

LaChapelle

04-13-2009, 09:41 AM

Report: Falcons Still Want Gonzalez

Posted by Mike Florio on April 13, 2009, 10:10 a.m. EDT

Though it remains to be seen whether tight end Tony Gonzalez wants out of Kansas City, one team that tried to get him in 2008 reportedly still wants him.

Michael Lombardi of NFP reports that the Falcons are “seriously interested” in trading for the veteran Pro Bowler, and might be willing to give up their second-round pick in the draft (55th overall) to make it happen.

We see several issues with this one:

1. Do the Chiefs want to trade Gonzalez at all? For now, the answer isn’t clear.

2. Does Gonzalez want out? Again, unclear.

3. If Gonzalez wants out, would he be willing to play for the Falcons? One thing we know is that Gonzalez wanted no part of the Falcons during the 2008 season, when the Falcons made a play for acquiring his services. So has Gonzalez’s position changed?

4. With two former New England colleagues calling the shots in Kansas City and Atlanta, would this be an impediment to getting a deal done, or would it help? Chiefs G.M. Scott Pioli was able to strike a deal with Pats coach Bill Belichick for quarterback Matt Cassel, but the second-round pick the Chiefs gave up for Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel prompted suspicion that Belichick handed Pioli a sweetheart deal. So would Pioli and/or former Pats director of college scouting Thomas Dimitroff be leery of the aftermath of a trade for Gonzalez, and would they feel the need to drive a harder bargain in order to avoid being criticized?

We’re not saying the trade can’t happen. But several hurdles would have to be overcome in order to make it so.

Micjones

04-13-2009, 09:44 AM

Hopefully this all blows over.
End your career in KC Tony...

Brock

04-13-2009, 09:57 AM

Report: Falcons Still Want Gonzalez

Posted by Mike Florio on April 13, 2009, 10:10 a.m. EDT

but the second-round pick the Chiefs gave up for Cassel and linebacker Mike Vrabel prompted suspicion that Belichick handed Pioli a sweetheart deal.

From who?

DTLB58

04-13-2009, 10:00 AM

Strengths:
Ideal height and bulk with long arms...Excellent route runner...Has big, strong, reliable hands...Plucks the ball out of the air and can make the difficult catch...Great body control and ball skills...Aggressive and is a decent leaper...Good balance and agility...Tough, strong and physical...Will work the middle of the field...Able to do some damage after the catch...Nice instincts and awareness...Team player with solid intangibles...Extremely competitive...Experienced...Very productive.

Weaknesses:
Just average speed and quickness...Is not very explosive and lacks a burst...Doesn't get a lot of separation...Probably won't be much of a vertical threat...Not very elusive and lacks wiggle...Motor runs hot and cold...Must work harder as a blocker...Might be a little too cocky.

Notes:
Was a three-year starter in the ACC...Never lost a single game in high school...Named 1st Team All-ACC in 2007 and 2008...Holds 14 Tar Heel records including career receptions, career receiving yards and career touchdowns...Wrapped up his college career with an amazing performance in the Meineke Car Care Bowl where he caught 8 balls for 217 yards and 3 touchdowns...Missed one game with an ankle sprain in 2006 but otherwise was pretty healthy...The best of the three Tar Heel wideouts that will be drafted this year...Is not the most physically gifted prospect in the world but he makes up for it by doing all of the little things...Profiles as a prototypical possession receiver in the NFL.

When I read these I always wonder, especially at the WR position what's wrong with being cocky?

Especially when with this position it seems to be the majority.

htismaqe

04-13-2009, 10:30 AM

I've always thought Bowe had really good hands, or am I mistaken??? I know at the very least he has made some amazing TD catches that not many guys could make.

He makes the jaw-dropping catch 100% of the time.

And then he drops a softball that hits him in the numbers.

He's a walking paradox.

HemiEd

04-13-2009, 11:04 AM

Help win what?

Another 10 games over his last 2 years?

School the young guns how?

By showing them that they can bitch and moan through the media if they perform on the field?

Yep, see ya Tony. Bye.

chop

04-13-2009, 11:16 AM

I've always thought Bowe had really good hands, or am I mistaken??? I know at the very least he has made some amazing TD catches that not many guys could make.

Didn't he drop a potential game winning td pass in the first game against the Pats. I didn't see it, but isn't he the one that bobbled an onside kick in the Charger game last year that lead to San Diego winning the game? Granted he wasn't the only receiver to drop a ball that would sealed the win for KC in that game. That is two games where, if he would have caught the ball, the Chiefs would have won the game. He's a good receiver but he does have the case of the dropsies from time to time.

Mile High Mania

04-13-2009, 11:18 AM

If KC traded Gonzo... that would really suck for Cassel.

DaneMcCloud

04-13-2009, 11:23 AM

He's a good receiver but he does have the case of the dropsies from time to time.

Time to time?

He was second in the league for dropped passes with 13. Braylon Edwards had 16.

That doesn't include drops of on-sides kicks, either. Good player, could be great if he learns to hold on to the ball.

DTLB58

04-13-2009, 02:45 PM

Jim , Athens, GA 02:54 PM ET
Do you think there is a possibility that the Falcons try to trade for a pass catching tight end like Tony Gonzalez instead of picking Brandon Pettigrew? The Falcons need to pick defense with their first pick don't you agree? Vic

Carucci, Senior Writer, NFL.com

I think it's possible. My sense is that Gonzalez does not feel all that comfortable with the new regime in KC. And when you think about the offense from which new Chiefs GM Scott Pioli came in New England, the tight end simply didn't have that big of a pass-catching role. Gonzalez certainly knows that and wants to be on a team where is going to at least be among the top pass-catchers.

chiefs1111

04-13-2009, 02:57 PM

Time to time?

He was second in the league for dropped passes with 13. Braylon Edwards had 16.

Damn,I knew he had trouble dropping passes but i didn't think it was that many..

Micjones

04-13-2009, 03:00 PM

How valuable does Pioli think Tony Gonzalez is?

Detoxing

04-13-2009, 03:01 PM

Jim , Athens, GA 02:54 PM ET
Do you think there is a possibility that the Falcons try to trade for a pass catching tight end like Tony Gonzalez instead of picking Brandon Pettigrew? The Falcons need to pick defense with their first pick don't you agree? Vic

Carucci, Senior Writer, NFL.com

I think it's possible. My sense is that Gonzalez does not feel all that comfortable with the new regime in KC. And when you think about the offense from which new Chiefs GM Scott Pioli came in New England, the tight end simply didn't have that big of a pass-catching role. Gonzalez certainly knows that and wants to be on a team where is going to at least be among the top pass-catchers.

Yeah, he wasn't suppose to be as much of a threat in Vermiel's offense either.

DaneMcCloud

04-13-2009, 03:01 PM

How valuable does Pioli think Tony Gonzalez is?

No one will know the answer to that question unless he's traded.

Frankie

04-13-2009, 03:08 PM

Yeah, he wasn't suppose to be as much of a threat in Vermiel's offense either.

EXACTLY.

Micjones

04-13-2009, 03:23 PM

No one will know the answer to that question unless he's traded.

Or if he isn't.

SBK

04-13-2009, 03:25 PM

For anyone that cares, here in Atlanta sports radio is all over this. They're telling the Falcons to give up that 2nd rounder before the Chiefs change their mind or someone else swoops in an offer more.

They want to do this trade today, so they don't lose out on such a great player for such a low price.

Micjones

04-13-2009, 03:31 PM

For anyone that cares, here in Atlanta sports radio is all over this. They're telling the Falcons to give up that 2nd rounder before the Chiefs change their mind or someone else swoops in an offer more.

They want to do this trade today, so they don't lose out on such a great player for such a low price.

Trade him. Then draft Chase Coffman at #55 to replace him!
:D

Kidding...
Paul Kruger will do.

SBK

04-13-2009, 03:53 PM

Trade him. Then draft Chase Coffman at #55 to replace him!
:D

Kidding...
Paul Kruger will do.

Hearing the people talk about needing to do that trade now made me wonder if he doesn't hold a higher value to teams that are close than we think an old TE has.

If you thought he was the missing piece to your offense to be Super Bowl caliber, maybe you overpay to get him?

To me a 2nd rounder for a 33 year old TE, even for the best one to ever play, seems like too high a price.

Mecca

04-13-2009, 04:00 PM

Yeah, he wasn't suppose to be as much of a threat in Vermiel's offense either.

Yea lets not factor in that Peterson was still here and he in no way was gonna let his boy go to replace him with legit WR's. Tony Gonzalez was the weapon in Vermiels passing game because we never even made an attempt to even get adequate WR's.

Dylan

04-13-2009, 07:51 PM

Sorry, I do not have a link.

For what it's worth:

How to build a champion

Pats showed the way; can Parcells, rest of NFL follow?

NEW YORK -- Once upon a time, way back in 2000, New England owner Bob Kraft swam against the tide and hired a 47-year-old coach, Bill Belichick, who brought along a trusted friend with a knack for picking players, Scott Pioli, 34, to run the personnel side of the team.

Pioli would scout and prepare the free-agent and draft lists with his staff, and do contracts, while Belichick would coach and pick the players ... with the financial and moral support of Kraft.

The Patriots were $10 million over the cap then, and their top-rated free agent at an important position was a terrific young tackle, Jon Runyan. Nope, Belichick said; we're not going to further screw up our bloated cap by signing the richest tackle in football. So the Patriots bit the bullet in 2000 and 2001, trying to get better through the draft (Tom Brady came in 2000, Richard Seymour and Matt Light in '01).

Then they took a very interesting gamble in 2001. One of their best young defensive players, tackle Chad Eaton, was a free agent, and the Pats let him go seek his fortune. Eaton signed with Seattle for a bonus of $3.5 million. The Patriots signed 20 mid- to low-roster veteran free agents for $2.57 million in signing bonuses that spring.

Of course, the Patriots won the Super Bowl that season, with 16 of those free agents playing in an upset win over St. Louis. Mike Vrabel, Antowain Smith, Roman Phifer and Larry Izzo were among them. In the spring of 2002, New England was the only defending Super Bowl champion in the first nine years of free agency to enter the next season under the salary cap.

After that 2002 Super Bowl game, I told Belichick at the Patriots' team party, "You've just given a blueprint to every team in the NFL -- draft well, find a quarterback and fill in all the cracks through middle- and lower-class free-agency.''

"I know,'' he said.

Six years later, teams still don't follow the blueprint. I don't get it.

Raised On Riots

04-13-2009, 09:08 PM

Sorry, I do not have a link.

For what it's worth:

How to build a champion

Pats showed the way; can Parcells, rest of NFL follow?

NEW YORK -- Once upon a time, way back in 2000, New England owner Bob Kraft swam against the tide and hired a 47-year-old coach, Bill Belichick, who brought along a trusted friend with a knack for picking players, Scott Pioli, 34, to run the personnel side of the team.

Pioli would scout and prepare the free-agent and draft lists with his staff, and do contracts, while Belichick would coach and pick the players ... with the financial and moral support of Kraft.

The Patriots were $10 million over the cap then, and their top-rated free agent at an important position was a terrific young tackle, Jon Runyan. Nope, Belichick said; we're not going to further screw up our bloated cap by signing the richest tackle in football. So the Patriots bit the bullet in 2000 and 2001, trying to get better through the draft (Tom Brady came in 2000, Richard Seymour and Matt Light in '01).

Then they took a very interesting gamble in 2001. One of their best young defensive players, tackle Chad Eaton, was a free agent, and the Pats let him go seek his fortune. Eaton signed with Seattle for a bonus of $3.5 million. The Patriots signed 20 mid- to low-roster veteran free agents for $2.57 million in signing bonuses that spring.

Of course, the Patriots won the Super Bowl that season, with 16 of those free agents playing in an upset win over St. Louis. Mike Vrabel, Antowain Smith, Roman Phifer and Larry Izzo were among them. In the spring of 2002, New England was the only defending Super Bowl champion in the first nine years of free agency to enter the next season under the salary cap.

After that 2002 Super Bowl game, I told Belichick at the Patriots' team party, "You've just given a blueprint to every team in the NFL -- draft well, find a quarterback and fill in all the cracks through middle- and lower-class free-agency.''

"I know,'' he said.

Six years later, teams still don't follow the blueprint. I don't get it.

With all due respect, "find a Quarterback" isn't exactly a trip to Win-Dixie for a bag of potato chips.

Normally.

This year, you have not one, but TWO bags of chips to choose from! Too bad we pissed away the change under the sofa for a half-eaten bag of Cheetos...:doh!:

Mr. Kotter

04-13-2009, 09:41 PM

If the Falcons are REALLY offering their second round pick to the Chiefs for Gonzo, his Chief's career is over. No way Pioli passes up that at this stage in Tony's career--given the rebuild the Chiefs are going through.

Fairplay

04-13-2009, 09:43 PM

For anyone that cares, here in Atlanta sports radio is all over this. They're telling the Falcons to give up that 2nd rounder before the Chiefs change their mind or someone else swoops in an offer more.

They want to do this trade today, so they don't lose out on such a great player for such a low price.

I think both teams would do good in this deal.

Certainly bring a great offensive weapon for the Falcons. Gonzo just seems to keep going and going like the ever ready battery.

He hinted at being traded a time or two. He has had great years with the Chiefs. And he won't get a ring with the Chiefs organization it appears.

I can't blame him for wanting to move on.

milkman

04-13-2009, 09:47 PM

I think both teams would do good in this deal.

Certainly bring a great offensive weapon for the Falcons. Gonzo just seems to keep going and going like the ever ready battery.

He hinted at being traded a time or two. He has had great years with the Chiefs. And he won't get a ring with the Chiefs organization it appears.

I can't blame him for wanting to move on.

Yeah, he does just keep going and going, but at some point, sooner, rather than later, the demands of his position and age are going to catch up to him.

Molitoth

04-13-2009, 09:51 PM

With Tony G, you know what your getting.... the best tight end in modern day history.

With a second round draft pick you are taking a 50/50 chance of a bust. I would imagine the odds of the draft pick putting out an even significant stat figure comparible to Tony G would be a reach. Tony G for a second rounder isn't too much in my book.

OnTheWarpath58

04-13-2009, 09:56 PM

With Tony G, you know what your getting.... the best tight end in modern day history.

With a second round draft pick you are taking a 50/50 chance of a bust. I would imagine the odds of the draft pick putting out an even significant stat figure comparible to Tony G would be a reach. Tony G for a second rounder isn't too much in my book.

So:

There's a 50/50 chance that a 2nd round pick will be here and productive during a Super Bowl run 3-4 years from now.

There's a ZERO percent chance that TG would be part of that run.

You get the chance to pick a player that could be a cornerstone for the next 10 years, versus getting nothing when he retires in 2010.

This isn't that difficult a choice, IMO.

doomy3

04-13-2009, 09:58 PM

I think both teams would do good in this deal.

Certainly bring a great offensive weapon for the Falcons. Gonzo just seems to keep going and going like the ever ready battery.

He hinted at being traded a time or two. He has had great years with the Chiefs. And he won't get a ring with the Chiefs organization it appears.

I can't blame him for wanting to move on.

I think it's the Energizer bunny.

Molitoth

04-13-2009, 10:18 PM

So:

There's a 50/50 chance that a 2nd round pick will be here and productive during a Super Bowl run 3-4 years from now.

There's a ZERO percent chance that TG would be part of that run.

You get the chance to pick a player that could be a cornerstone for the next 10 years, versus getting nothing when he retires in 2010.

This isn't that difficult a choice, IMO.

Oh believe me, I also agree with this...

I think this trade would be good for both teams.

Gracie Dean

04-13-2009, 10:18 PM

like they are in any more position to win a ring?

ChiefsCountry

04-13-2009, 10:20 PM

like they are in any more position to win a ring?

Yes they are.

Raised On Riots

04-13-2009, 10:23 PM

Yes they are.

This + Yes.

Frankie

04-14-2009, 09:32 AM

I can't believe how many posters here are lusting for that 2nd round pick! Once again, the second round covers picks 33 to 64. 55 is way nearer 64 than 33. Hell it's almost a 3rd rounder! There's 210 point differential between our old 2nd and 55. That means if we were to at least reasonably replace that value we should ask for Atlanta's 3rd (155 points +/-) as well. The point is if we let TG go for 55 we are FAR FROM "GETTING OUR 2ND BACK"!!!! I am open to trading TG for a good price. But I'm also in the camp that believes TG has not shown any signs of slowing down and has a good 4 more years in him. 55 is too low.

Frank Boal of FOX4 in Kansas City is reporting the Kansas City Chiefs have rejected a trade offer from the Atlanta Falcons for tight end Tony Gonzalez. The offer was for the Falcons' 55th overall pick according to Michael Lombardi of the National Football Post.

*Boal rarely breaks news about the Chiefs and the rest of the mainstream media hasn't picked up on this yet so we're certainly going to continue following this story until we can get another confirmation.

Rumors have been swirling that the Chiefs were nearing a deal with someone to move Gonzalez. The basis of some of these rumors? Gonzalez cleaning out his locker.

We'll never know if the future Hall of Fame tight end was simply cleaning out his locker before the start of the Chiefs first veteran mandatory mini-camp on April 17th or if he removed his belongings with the intention that he wouldn't be back.

If the GM Scott Pioli values Gonzalez more than the Falcons' second round pick then it's unlikely any team in the NFL will match his price. The overlord of the previous Chiefs regime, Carl Peterson, reportedly pushed his asking price from a third to a second and fifth round pick at the trading deadline last year.

We can debate about Gonzalez's worth all day long but he's worth whatever any team will offer him. If the offers that came in last season (Eagles' 3rd, Giants' 6th) are any indication, Tony Gonzalez will not be traded by the Chiefs this season.

dirk digler

04-14-2009, 09:42 AM

I don't think the Falcons have much of a shot to win the SB next year. Vegas has their odds at 25/1

Both Carolina and New Orleans are predicted to do better

Brock

04-14-2009, 09:49 AM

I don't think the Falcons have much of a shot to win the SB next year. Vegas has their odds at 25/1

Both Carolina and New Orleans are predicted to do better

That's retarded. They made the playoffs with a rookie QB, you think they're going to go backward?

dirk digler

04-14-2009, 09:56 AM

That's retarded. They made the playoffs with a rookie QB, you think they're going to go backward?

That is the way it works in the NFL it happens every year. You think the Saints are going to go 8-8 this year?

And if you think it is retarded go talk to Vegas they made the odds not me.

Frankie

04-14-2009, 09:58 AM

That's retarded. They made the playoffs with a rookie QB, you think they're going to go backward?

Pioli was asked yesterday if they were looking to move any veteran players at the draft and he said "NO". The room went quiet for a few seconds. Next question.

I know, I know, draft talk to beef up any players value.

But, I believe them on TG anyways.

If it were Herm I would say he would trade him for young buck anyday. But these guys are bringing in vets to compete and play to help us win now. Getting rid of a awesome target like Gonzalez for Cassel does not help us win now.

DTLB58

04-17-2009, 10:10 PM

The comment below is from a chat with Bill Williamson from espn.com. He has a afc west blog and chats afc west every thursday.

Jon (KC): If you're Scott Pioli and you're offered a 2nd rd pick for Gonzalez (as rumored). Do you make the trade? (bare in mind KC has their heir apparent Brad Cottam)

Bill Williamson: If I was running the show in Kansas City, I'd do what I could to make Gonzalez happy and to make him want to play in Kansas City as long as he could. The guy is special. He should never wear another NFL uniform.

StcChief

04-19-2009, 06:20 PM

The comment below is from a chat with Bill Williamson from espn.com. He has a afc west blog and chats afc west every thursday.

Jon (KC): If you're Scott Pioli and you're offered a 2nd rd pick for Gonzalez (as rumored). Do you make the trade? (bare in mind KC has their heir apparent Brad Cottam)

Bill Williamson: If I was running the show in Kansas City, I'd do what I could to make Gonzalez happy and to make him want to play in Kansas City as long as he could. The guy is special. He should never wear another NFL uniform.yes. despite what Chiefsplanet Brainless trust here think...
Gonzo will be here in 2009, helping build this team.

If we can get the Center and RG/RT spots fixed, our offense could be really damn good. I read somewhere that Goff could play center or RG for us. I think if he plays RG he will help out the center a lot in covering his blocking assignments and by keeping his own man blocked. I think since we are going to be a team that passes more often we definately need to kill McIntosh for dignity's sake, and then find a stud to cover that role.

I guess what I am hoping is that our O can school people weekly, and our D can pull off just enough stops to help our O win the game... similar to the Colts from years past-- would be great if our D showed up on the playoffs too... ala Cards from last year and the Colts from a few years back.

edit: found the Goff thing here (http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/03/25/chiefs-add-mike-goff/)... not sure how credible.

So, because some writer who has about as much inside info as you or I thinks that the Chiefs shouldn't trade him, it is a given in your mind that he won't be traded.

And you call us "Brainless"?

What irony.

Uh, the correct term is "Chiefs Planet Kool-Aid Brain Trust".
And if you're sporting your own "witty" little "Drinking the Kool-Aid / In Pioli/These Three I Trust" sig, and If you think Sanchez sucks, Curry is Jesus, and the "rockin" duo of Cassel/Thigpen is a better idea than Cassel/Sanchez;
YOU ARE A MEMBER OF IT.

Thank you, that is all for now.

DTLB58

04-19-2009, 07:13 PM

Uh, the correct term is "Chiefs Planet Kool-Aid Brain Trust".
And if you're sporting your own "witty" little "Drinking the Kool-Aid / In Pioli/These Three I Trust" sig, and If you think Sanchez sucks, Curry is Jesus, and the "rockin" duo of Cassel/Thigpen is a better idea than Cassel/Sanchez;
YOU ARE A MEMBER OF IT.

Thank you, that is all for now.

For the record.....I have never said I wanted Curry, In fact I have posted I believe 3 times in the past 2 weeks I think we trade down or pick Raji.

I have never said Sanchez sucks. I have just been a Cassel Supporter.

Yes,I Do think that Cassel/Thigpen would be a better way to build this team than spending our first 2 picks of the '09 draft on 2 QB's.

Yes, I do support Clark,Scott and Todd.

So, 2 out of 4.

Maybe YOU better do a little more reading next time before you post.

4321

Raised On Riots

04-19-2009, 07:41 PM

For the record.....I have never said I wanted Curry, In fact I have posted I believe 3 times in the past 2 weeks I think we trade down or pick Raji.

I have never said Sanchez sucks. I have just been a Cassel Supporter.

Yes,I Do think that Cassel/Thigpen would be a better way to build this team than spending our first 2 picks of the '09 draft on 2 QB's.

Yes, I do support Clark,Scott and Todd.

So, 2 out of 4.

Maybe YOU better do a little more reading next time before you post.

4321

Just couldn't wait for me to get to your post, so you had to PM me with this drivel as well?

You don't have to meet all of the requirements. Perhaps I should have made that clear. Have a drink on me:

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raisedonred

04-19-2009, 08:24 PM

Sorry guys, I'm a rookie, somebody tell me how the hell I download my own avatar on my profile in here please!

Crush

04-19-2009, 08:30 PM

Read the FAQ, but here is some rep.

SBK

04-19-2009, 08:32 PM

Scott Pioli wants to speak with you tards that want Curry @3.

raisedonred

04-19-2009, 08:47 PM

Read the FAQ, but here is some rep.

Alright, I guess I'm just blind or something, but I've looked all over in the FAQ & the User CP and there arent ANY options for uploading or downloading an avatar from my computer. It's either "no avatar" or an avatar that the site offers which is gay. Any suggestions anyone? Do you have to make a certain amount of posts or be a member for a specific period of time before they allow it, or what?

raisedonred

04-19-2009, 08:48 PM

I gotta have my avatar-I have no identity!!! lol

SBK

04-19-2009, 08:48 PM

Alright, I guess I'm just blind or something, but I've looked all over in the FAQ & the User CP and there arent ANY options for uploading or downloading an avatar from my computer. It's either "no avatar" or an avatar that the site offers which is gay. Any suggestions anyone? Do you have to make a certain amount of posts or be a member for a specific period of time before they allow it, or what?

Scroll down

raisedonred

04-19-2009, 08:50 PM

DOWN WHERE? LOL!!!!!!

raisedonred

04-19-2009, 08:52 PM

Scroll down

This is crazy!! HA, HA! I'm an idiot I guess, cause I can't find nothing even remotely close!

raisedonred

04-19-2009, 08:54 PM

ALRIGHT, jokes on me, ha, ha!!! I just received this email from the site....

"Do note that new users are not allowed to do certain things around ChiefsPlanet in order to prevent abuse. For example, new users are not allowed to have custom avatars or signatures, start new threads, send private messages, and participate in the arcade"

NICE, you guys had me running around like an idiot trying to find the options!!!

I don't know if this has been discussed or not. On NFL Network tonight(4/21) they said two teams were very interested in Tony G. The Falcons and the Eagles and it would take a 2nd. I had not heard of the Eagles being all that interested, or if they have much left to trade.

beavis

04-21-2009, 09:10 PM

Bevis where is butthead.... a reality of values here with TG. but if a bong is what's up... go to the shed with Overhead.