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Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

LOL girls girls....

Janis does an alright version but I prefer a mans voice singing "Holding Bobby's body close to mine" although the gasoline gargling acid queen was manly looking she still had a 'gruff' feminine voice...

"Lord wont you buy me a Mercedes Benz" was her deal... for me...

Gas is still 3.32

And I love going to the birthplace of college basketball to hear them show out my name... it is inspiring...

Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

$3.49 to $3.59, unless you can get it at the out-of-the-way corporate-only station, where it's $3.39.

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

It's receded a bit from prior highs where it hit $4.19... and I still don't blame the black guy

Good. It's not his fault. It's never the fault of any president.

Regarding gas prices, metro Chicago is following right behind L.A. - $399.9 is average. Yesterday, I saw a few stations over $400.9, but the week is young. I'm "amused" that our prices are consistently above the national average.

No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. - Eleanor Roosevelt

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

CGY your gas prices whether it be diesel or electric are contained in your taxes. I like my transport it has followed me across the nation to 32 states with both dense and sparse population and even took me for a ride on a small island in the pacific...

not that I am against Transport but it doesn't meet all circumstances... AND we are woefully behind creating that infrastructure....

Paid 3.44 earlier today for a few gallons

Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

$3.69 -- big jump.

Ironically, the numbers all changed the day Senator Wyden was here for a town hall meeting where he related that figures he's seen as part of his energy committee work indicated there was going to be a big jump and there wouldn't be any explanation for it at all, meaning it's almost certainly nothing but speculators using the system to profit off the rest of us.

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

Many stations are @ $415.9 in suburban Chicago. Going up!

Gas prices are like the weather - we talk about them but, nobody seems to solve the problem.

George W. Bush: State of the Union #1: We need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.
George W. Bush: State of the Union #2: We need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.
George W. Bush: State of the Union #3: We need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.
George W. Bush: State of the Union #4: We need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.
George W. Bush: State of the Union #5: We need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.
George W. Bush: State of the Union #6: We need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.
George W. Bush: State of the Union #7: We need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.
George W. Bush: State of the Union #8: We need to reduce our dependence on foreign oil.

However, James Earl Carter, said to be the worst president ever, encouraged us to seek alternative energy sources.

No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. - Eleanor Roosevelt

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

Originally Posted by JockBoy87

As it is everywhere... If you are not a professional you cannot support a family by yourself with one job.

I work more than one job because I actually enjoy the work I do [at least my "part-time" jobs]. You would need at least a household income of $80k to live "comfortably" in MA which is easier than it sounds. Fuck, I actually suggest that people come work up in MA for a decade or so and earn a shit ton of money and then move to a "lesser" area. I chuckle over the fact that I could pretty much buy a McMansion in Georgia for $300k and that would barely get you 1Ksqft in the Boston area.

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

Originally Posted by GiancarloC

Again this thread is about gas prices in our local areas... not Obama.

Everything is about Obama.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch:
Countries like Germany and the Netherlands are using solar power and windmills. From what I hear, its a living hell and everyone wants to go back to using fossil fuels so they can do their part to fuck up the planet some more.*

*Neocon wet dream.

No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. - Eleanor Roosevelt

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

So instead of jacking off to images of non-existent non-fuel powered cars -- where are the solar or wind powered home water heaters or easy to install passive solar home heating units?

price is still $3.69

when Obama finishes his golf lessons with Tiger and says no to the XL pipeline -- you'll be able to watch the price explode.

Originally Posted by chrisrobin

Everything is about Obama.

Meanwhile, back at the ranch:
Countries like Germany and the Netherlands are using solar power and windmills. From what I hear, its a living hell and everyone wants to go back to using fossil fuels so they can do their part to fuck up the planet some more.*

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

Originally Posted by GiancarloC

Again with failed swings at Obama... have anymore naive swings to take at him? The XL pipeline would do next to nothing to reduce prices. This country is already producing more and more of its own oil... the issue is refinery production.

All republicans want is to destroy the environment by proposing a pipeline that would have next to no impact on reducing priecs. Yeah.. Get real.

Oh I have... I know for a fact that there is no case to be made against me. Try again... maybe bring in some actual substance.

it is truly hard to fathom how someone can be so unaware

i posted a link from nbc news - now one from abc news

32 str8 days increasing
4 month high

yet giancarlo keeps blathering on about that not being the case when all he would have to do is READ a post

This isn't me mining information. This is me being more coherent "buzzed" than many people are sober.

If you didn't drive an SUV that mandates you use "premium gasoline", I am sure your gas price would be lower. I will at least admonish that said SUV is not a gas guzzler [I prefer reversing the noun 'guzzler' only when modified by "cum"] that gets less than 20 combined MPGs.

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

The intent of the Keystone Pipeline will not do anything to alleviate gas prices, chance1 and Jack_Springer.

As the economy gets better, gas prices get worse. When the economy gets worse, gas prices get better. At some point between $4.50-$5.00 range, gas prices begin to choke the economy. Until we remove ourselves from the dependency of oil (not just foreign oil), we will never escape the vice grip of gasoline prices.

Fortunately, the Obama Administration has mandated higher fuel efficiencies for vehicles. So we may inevitably pay for higher gas prices, but they will be offset by driving vehicles that drive further on a gallon of gas. As we continue to build new solar and wind energy power, we will use less oil and gas to power our electricity. These are all ideas proposed by the Obama Administration.

We must abandon oil. No matter how much less gas we use here in the United States, or how much we produce, it won't matter. China and India will consume every barrel of oil we don't consume, plus more. There is no U.S. economic policy when it comes to oil that will bring down oil prices. So long as China and India's economies continue to grow, we will see 2.5 billion people exponentially use more oil every year.

This is the reality we live in. That is mathematical fact based on 2.5 billion people needing oil versus the 330 million of us. The demand for oil has only begun. Any status quo of pumping out more oil and refining it for gasoline to drive our economy is irrelevantly suicidal.

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

The point has already been made that this thread has existed for nine pages of random entries without becoming a "I hate Obama oh let me count the ways" thread... until now... YAY!

Paid 3.62 here.... nothing on the radar that should affect prices... so is it the unusually warm spring like weather ??? Have the oil speculators caught spring fever already for the normal eighty cent bump in prices that always accompanies the spring these days??? My guess is fuel prices hit 4.90 this spring.... this is just the beginning.

Everyone can be great, because everyone can serve.~ Martin Luther King, Jr.

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

Originally Posted by Just_Believe18

The intent of the Keystone Pipeline will not do anything to alleviate gas prices, chance1 and Jack_Springer.

As the economy gets better, gas prices get worse. When the economy gets worse, gas prices get better. At some point between $4.50-$5.00 range, gas prices begin to choke the economy. Until we remove ourselves from the dependency of oil (not just foreign oil), we will never escape the vice grip of gasoline prices.

Fortunately, the Obama Administration has mandated higher fuel efficiencies for vehicles. So we may inevitably pay for higher gas prices, but they will be offset by driving vehicles that drive further on a gallon of gas. As we continue to build new solar and wind energy power, we will use less oil and gas to power our electricity. These are all ideas proposed by the Obama Administration.

We must abandon oil. No matter how much less gas we use here in the United States, or how much we produce, it won't matter. China and India will consume every barrel of oil we don't consume, plus more. There is no U.S. economic policy when it comes to oil that will bring down oil prices. So long as China and India's economies continue to grow, we will see 2.5 billion people exponentially use more oil every year.

This is the reality we live in. That is mathematical fact based on 2.5 billion people needing oil versus the 330 million of us. The demand for oil has only begun. Any status quo of pumping out more oil and refining it for gasoline to drive our economy is irrelevantly suicidal.

Well, we can manufacture oil using thermal depolymerization -- that's one thing Senator Wyden told me at our town hall meeting: he's going to be working as head of the energy committee to get permits for such plants streamlined the same way they are in Europe, so we can get them going here. The beauty of it is that someone living in the vicinity of such a plant could toss a dumpster's worth of ordinary trash into the garbage on Monday, and on Thursday fill up with gas made from that trash.

That doesn't solve the environmental problem, but it would keep the profits here in the country and provide jobs, boosting the economy substantially.

Oh -- latest number I've seen, if the permitting mess could be simplified, is break-even at around $3.60/gallon. If the facility gets paid for taking the trash at the same rates municipalities currently pay to get rid of it, that drops to $3.45/gallon.

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

Originally Posted by JockBoy87

Thank you for proving my point.

Government producers are the largest source controllers of oil prices.

They only control what they provide to their own people; the rest they dump on the market and fare like anyone else. In the end, the speculators affect the price more (and since they never actually physically take possession of the oil, they pay a far lesser tax rate on the transactions than anyone else).

"Thirty-one* states allow all qualified citizens to carry concealed weapons. In those states, homosexuals should embark on organized efforts to become comfortable with guns, learn to use them safely and carry them. They should set up Pink Pistols task forces, sponsor shooting courses and help homosexuals get licensed to carry. And they should do it in a way that gets as much publicity as possible. "

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

Oil is a global commodity, independent of the demand of the US economy.

There was a brief dip in global demand in 2009, but it is booming now more than ever, mostly because of China.

Other countries buying oil impacts how much you pay at the pump.

This is exactly the reason that domestic input has been increasing at a greater rate than previous years. Of course many Americans would be appalled to realize that most of the petroleum obtained within our boundaries is shipped overseas. On the same token, they would refute the fact that the reason we sell the oil to other countries is that they are willing to buying it at a higher price than Americans would. That in a nutshell, is Capitalism 101.

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

Originally Posted by Just_Believe18

The intent of the Keystone Pipeline will not do anything to alleviate gas prices, chance1 and Jack_Springer.

As the economy gets better, gas prices get worse. When the economy gets worse, gas prices get better. At some point between $4.50-$5.00 range, gas prices begin to choke the economy. Until we remove ourselves from the dependency of oil (not just foreign oil), we will never escape the vice grip of gasoline prices.

Fortunately, the Obama Administration has mandated higher fuel efficiencies for vehicles. So we may inevitably pay for higher gas prices, but they will be offset by driving vehicles that drive further on a gallon of gas. As we continue to build new solar and wind energy power, we will use less oil and gas to power our electricity. These are all ideas proposed by the Obama Administration.

We must abandon oil. No matter how much less gas we use here in the United States, or how much we produce, it won't matter. China and India will consume every barrel of oil we don't consume, plus more. There is no U.S. economic policy when it comes to oil that will bring down oil prices. So long as China and India's economies continue to grow, we will see 2.5 billion people exponentially use more oil every year.

This is the reality we live in. That is mathematical fact based on 2.5 billion people needing oil versus the 330 million of us. The demand for oil has only begun. Any status quo of pumping out more oil and refining it for gasoline to drive our economy is irrelevantly suicidal.

The problem with your argument ... the economy is not getting better -- we had negative growth in the last quarter of 2012.

The rest is just babbling. Wind and solar power are currently non-existent -- if you doubt that -- please tell me where I can compare and purchase solar or wind power making equipment for my home.

I and the rest of American don't live in your personal reality mini-world.

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

Originally Posted by JockBoy87

Oil companies sell oil to the commodity market where speculators set prices.

You are wasting your time trying to tell this to some people, they don't want to listen, research, & learn. Also the OPEC cartel sets the production level and they control the spigot . If demand falls they decrease production. When demand climbs or peaks for whatever reason such as loss of infrastructural due to possible weak tropical storm, blow out, or global turmoil they may or may not increase production. You are correct production is past prime. The 64 oz big gulp cup which one time only had a few fat hogs sucking it dry is now home to many more fat hogs listening to the gurgling sound at the bottom of the cup, and they continue to keep putting more straws in the tap.

Global prices in the western world are very uniform for product. What seems to confuse many is that state and local taxes are the reason for so much difference in price. There is little difference in the price of the same petro product in Germany or New York. The taxes are the result of various governments. Another factor is transport that adds cost to the final price.

What the right wants is Government control on oil companies, they want nationalized oil industry like Venezuela, Brazil or Mexico has. Isn't it strange they blame the government for the jump in oil prices (Obama), while they scream about too much government? It is ignorance on display. They have no real issue with blaming OPEC, the greedy speculator, or the Oil Companies. These countries which enjoy some of the lowest retail oil prices in the world are hated and vilified by the same people who use them as examples of what they want in the USA.

Further the right has no problem with big corporate mergers which are always approved by Gov. The purpose of a merger is to reduce physical plants and labor. When Amoco merges with BP or EXXON with Mobil it is not to build more refineries and expand. It is to reduce plants and cut labor using a smaller foot print to serve the same market and reduce competition (which isn't there in the first place) while increasing the profit margin.

Then the wing nuts yell " There hasn't been a refinery built in 30 yrs". They will blame it on the government (Obama, environmentalist, regulation)
Which is of course bullshit. The reality is plant capacity may remain the same on paper and remaining facilities have certainly been upgraded and expanded, however many facilities have been closed on purpose. BP is a example with merger after merger they continue to close and shutter production and storage reducing real estate. They did this in the 1980's and 90's with the purchase of GULF Oil, they are still doing it with American Standard (Amoco) properties. They are not unique.

We've already gone over this... pay attention! The -0.1% was a "one off". It was because of reductions in government spending. The rest of the economy is actually showing signs of growth, and the job market is solid (200,000+ jobs were created in December by the way).

The US Economy likely expanded slightly in the fourth quarter, according to data on Friday that suggested a surprise drop in GDP reported by the government last week was overstated.

Barclays said even with December's decline in wholesale inventories, GDP likely expanded 0.3 percent in the fourth quarter thanks to the higher export numbers in Friday's trade report.

Sorry but the republican math no longer cuts it. The US economy most likely never declined in the 4th quarter of 2012... rather it expanded by +0.3%. Republicans on here no longer can harp about it as the figure will likely be revised (as is often the case).

Is that why your political party got handed a massive defeat? Yes, reality check please.

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

The problem with your argument ... the economy is not getting better -- we had negative growth in the last quarter of 2012.

The rest is just babbling. Wind and solar power are currently non-existent -- if you doubt that -- please tell me where I can compare and purchase solar or wind power making equipment for my home.

I and the rest of American don't live in your personal reality mini-world.

Local gas remains at $3.69.

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You didn't even read my post. Before you accuse me of "babbling," which is dismissively insulting for even making the attempt to treat you seriously, you should actually address the points in my thread.

EIA currently estimates that wind capacity will increase by 7 percent in 2013 and by 10 percent in 2014. However, electricity generation from wind is projected to increase by 15 percent in 2013, as capacity that came on line at the end of 2012 is available for the entire year in 2013. Wind-powered generation is projected to grow by 8 percent in 2014.

Forecast solar energy continues robust growth, although the total amount remains a small share of total U.S. generation. Projected consumption grows by 33 percent in 2012, 29 percent in 2013, and 30 percent in 2014. Solar energy is not directly affected by the changes in the PTC, but the effect could be indirect as more wind energy is available to meet state renewable portfolio standards.

Overall, my argument explains the abandonment of oil for most of our power needs will spare the United States from an economic chokehold that will paralyze our economy. Wind and solar will be key in providing our electricity while alternative biofuels such as algae fuel can power our cars. Otherwise, we will be paying for high gas prices set by China and India's 2.5 billion population. That is the reality we live in.

Re: Reality Check: How are gasoline prices in your area?

Wow, Jack. Wow. You just proved you don't even read posts, you just inflame the discussion. You posted this one minute after I spent 20 minutes analyzing and writing a responsive discussion to your post! It's like you just read the first sentence and skipped the rest! I specifically addressed everything in your last post.