I can't comment on the actual supplement because I could buy steroids with what it costs. I just hate that a once great website (still some good articles by Tate and John et al) has become the same snake oil huckster site it originally proclaimed to hate.

I don't blame the guys for making a buck, and they do still offer some really good info. However, their supplement side has really kinda jumped the shark. At least once or twice a year, they seem to come out with something that's supposed to be the ultimate game-changer. Yet after a few months of promotion, it falls by the wayside and they're onto the next thing.

Like Anaconda - remember when that whole crazy mess came out? What happened to it? And I'm sorry, but if Anaconda was supposed to be so awesome for putting on massive amounts of muscle, how come they're not flooded with testimonials from IFBB pros?

But then again, Tnation is also the store that sells that "hybrid" squat/deadlift bar for $539. Boys, it's a trap bar - get over yourselves. And you can get them all over the place for a couple hundred bucks.

I know a guy that uses most of their stuff. When I pointed out theirs wasnt even the best stuff on the market, he said...I shit you not..."What do you know? You dont look like those guys that use it? So why would I take your advice?" All I did was hsake may head and think...asshat.

LCSULLA - I know a guy that uses most of their stuff. When I pointed out theirs wasnt even the best stuff on the market, he said...I shit you not..."What do you know? You dont look like those guys that use it? So why would I take your advice?" All I did was hsake may head and think...asshat.

LCSULLA - I know a guy that uses most of their stuff. When I pointed out theirs wasnt even the best stuff on the market, he said...I shit you not..."What do you know? You dont look like those guys that use it? So why would I take your advice?" All I did was hsake may head and think...asshat.

Whatever you do, don't tell him about the Alan Aragon article that says chocolate milk is just as good or better than their super-wazoo expensive post-workout drink. That will *really* piss him off.

LCSULLA - I know a guy that uses most of their stuff. When I pointed out theirs wasnt even the best stuff on the market, he said...I shit you not..."What do you know? You dont look like those guys that use it? So why would I take your advice?" All I did was hsake may head and think...asshat.

Whatever you do, don't tell him about the Alan Aragon article that says chocolate milk is just as good or better than their super-wazoo expensive post-workout drink. That will *really* piss him off.

I would, but he would say thats why I am not 8% BF.

And torquemada, again I would but there is no talking to him. He knows everything...lol

I have a similar experience with a young guy. He opend his gym bag, and it was over-flowing with T-nation sups. I said, "you know, you can buy all of that stuff in bulk, and make your own shakes for almost nothing compared to "SURGE" etc.

He was blown away by that idea. I sent him the links for all the stuff, everything...he never followed through...What a surprize.

Tate at least is honest on his condition. He trains hard for a guy who has the injury history he has, but he also tends to have too much of a love affair with Pop-Tarts, cheeseburgers, and other things that he could get away with as a powerlifter that he doesn't quite get away with as much as a gym leader with more injuries than Mick Foley.

On the other hand, when Tate dials it in, he can still shred up. Not due to anything from BioTest mind you, but because of a dozen other "supplements" and other things he takes, combined with a dialed in diet and hard training.

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