I was wondering when Vettel would finally erase all doubt that's he a complete dick, and he did so in grand fashion in Maylasia.

I think Webber has done a pretty good job of controlling himself in the face of Vettel's childish bullshit, and the way the team has coddled the petulant little twat over the past two seasons. Vettel may be a great talent, but I think he lost the little respect he had remaining as an honorable sportsman.

I've hated the guy with a passion ever since he pulled that bullshit on the podium at Abu Dhabi with David Couthard.

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Hate is such a terrible word, try dislike it sounds much better. DC is a bit of a prick/cry baby as well and you don't have to look back to far to remember his antics

If you're saying that every other team would want Vettel, that's an interesting proposition. I wonder?

I don't think think Mercedes would want him. I don't see that he's a huge step up from Rosberg, and he's not as good as Hamilton.

So really, I would think his options are surprisingly limited.

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Are you for real man, A 3 time world champion just isn't because he is in the best car and only one of those years was out right domination of the field the rest he fought for. You can't say the same about Webber in the same equipment

I don't make much of it. They're spanking him behind the scenes and praising him to the media. Good people management, seems to me. I would think it was humiliating for Vettel to be forced to apologize to the entire team in person. That's a better punishment than a fine. They were never going to suspend him. This is probably he best they can do, given the circumstances.

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Agreed, however they must be carefull, you don't want to make Seb second guess himself on race day because everyone knows at the end of the day Webber can't get the job done like Seb has done so in the past.

Seb is the futur and Webber is there to finish second to get CWC points... I hope Marco has made that clear because Horner seems unable. Being the axe man can be a bitch if you have a conscience...

Are you for real man, A 3 time world champion just isn't because he is in the best car and only one of those years was out right domination of the field the rest he fought for. You can't say the same about Webber in the same equipment

Are you for real man, A 3 time world champion just isn't because he is in the best car and only one of those years was out right domination of the field the rest he fought for. You can't say the same about Webber in the same equipment

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Do you believe, honestly, that Vettel is more talented or equal in a car than Alanso? Vettel has never to date had a crap handling car. Alanso has, and has been competitive.

Sorry, I chalk a lot (most) of Vettel's success to the team/designer/car, not his talent.

Do you believe, honestly, that Vettel is more talented or equal in a car than Alanso? Vettel has never to date had a crap handling car. Alanso has, and has been competitive.

Sorry, I chalk a lot (most) of Vettel's success to the team/designer/car, not his talent.

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Read the post, the comparison was between Rosberg and Hamilton.
Alonso is the best driver out there now and I believe Vettel is as good a driver but yes needs to mature a bit. My point was simple he is 3 times a world champion, if it was that easy they all would be. Also go back to 08' with STR Ferrari, put it on the top step of the podium remember, Italian GP at what 20 years old, never had a bad car huh, he beat all his teamates with confidence.

Are you for real man, A 3 time world champion just isn't because he is in the best car and only one of those years was out right domination of the field the rest he fought for. You can't say the same about Webber in the same equipment

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Adrian Newey.

He's the one guy on that team who is irreplaceable. All the rest are interchangeable parts, all of them. Well, except for the guy with the money, of course.

Seriously, Red Bull have devised an almost unbeatable strategy/car combination. The key is to be at the front. Qualifying is vital. Vettel, to his credit, is a very, very good driver when the track is empty. Put him deeper in the field and he and his car are usually less impressive.

The brains of the operation is Newey. He consistently outsmarts (and out-cheats) the opposition. His cars deliver the fastest lap times thanks to the grip he finds in fast and medium corners. His lack of top end speed doesn't matter, as long as his cars are at the front. Which, thanks to him, they usually are.

No, Weber isn't Vettel's equal. That hardly makes Vettel the best in F1, though. Remember the first half of last season, when Webber's results were roughly equal to Vettel's? It was written that the car was favoring Webber's driving style.

When faced with a choice, Red Bull tailored their car to Vettel's driving style last season. That was the right thing to do. One assumes they always try to do so. Vettel finished the season with an emphatic bang, a dramatic change in form.

Webber, being third in the WCs for 3 out of the last 4 years, needed those 14 points badly at this stage in the season. For vettel to deny him against team order makes him a greedy prick. For the team to support vettel over Webber makes them complicit.

Webber, being third in the WCs for 3 out of the last 4 years, needed those 14 points badly at this stage in the season. For vettel to deny him against team order makes him a greedy prick. For the team to support vettel over Webber makes them complicit.

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I see it as pay back for Brazil last year and we all move on watching Vettel go for #4

Sorry, Al*o*nso has had tremendous and exciting drives (barring this last) in cars that should not have been that competitive.
I'd take him and Raikkonen on my team. C'mon, that would be an interesting dynamic!

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Alonso is certainly very talented, but how are you so sure his car was so much worse than Vettel's? Because of team mate performance? I think Webber is better than Massa, and even then it's not very exact? Alonso and Kimi would certainly be interesting, at least while it lasted!? I think Kimi would probably kill him before too long!? :eek1