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OT: Jarvis Jones run a 4.9 at Pro Day

Obviously the 40 time isn't everything but geez you had 300 pound lineman running faster than that

A 40 time isn’t everything: As former NFL general manager Charley Casserly noted on NFL Network, Jones’s 40 is comparable to the 40 that Terrell Suggs ran at his Pro Day, a workout that had some people downgrading Suggs but didn’t dissuade the Ravens from spending a Top 10 pick on him — and didn’t stop Suggs from becoming one of the NFL’s best defensive players. But Suggs is also 260 pounds. In the next breath, Casserly said he couldn’t remember any linebackers Jones’s size (245 pounds) who were able to overcome a 4.9-second 40 and still play well in the NFL.

Re: OT: Jarvis Jones run a 4.9 at Pro Day

I heard Pat Kirwan talking about it today. He said there are a lot of teams that have a max 40 time for these guys and if they can't hit it, they're off the list. Suggs aside, it's usually not a good thing

Re: OT: Jarvis Jones run a 4.9 at Pro Day

I think this is a great example of how much more important tape is than shorts/t-shirt metrics.

Seriously, the guy is a player and is an ideal 3-4 rush OLB.

That said, this does make you wonder a bit about his work ethic, which [right or wrong] has been called out during the combine process. Running a good 40-time is more about technique than anything, but if he knew that all eyes would be on him because he was a potential top 10 pick, you'd think that he would have dedicated more time to producing a better 40 time.

What I am more interested in, and to my knowledge hasn't been posted yet, is what his 10-yard split was. That 10-yard split is the most important aspect for a pass rusher, IMO.

Greg Cossell also said that if Jones were 260-265lbs, this probably wouldn't be as worrisome, but the fact that he is 240-245lbs, it is and it should make scouts and GMs worry a bit.

Re: OT: Jarvis Jones run a 4.9 at Pro Day

Originally Posted by wickedsolo

I think this is a great example of how much more important tape is than shorts/t-shirt metrics.

Seriously, the guy is a player and is an ideal 3-4 rush OLB.

That said, this does make you wonder a bit about his work ethic, which [right or wrong] has been called out during the combine process. Running a good 40-time is more about technique than anything, but if he knew that all eyes would be on him because he was a potential top 10 pick, you'd think that he would have dedicated more time to producing a better 40 time.

What I am more interested in, and to my knowledge hasn't been posted yet, is what his 10-yard split was. That 10-yard split is the most important aspect for a pass rusher, IMO.

Greg Cossell also said that if Jones were 260-265lbs, this probably wouldn't be as worrisome, but the fact that he is 240-245lbs, it is and it should make scouts and GMs worry a bit.

Re: OT: Jarvis Jones run a 4.9 at Pro Day

Usually, when the Ravens have caught on to linebackers with slow 40 times, they've been heavier guys in general. So, while they haven't been the most athletic overall, they've been very athletic for their size.

Could this be the result of spending more time rehabbing and getting medically cleared for the necessary officials, in Jarvis Jones' case?

Wicked, you spoke of some criticism he's already taken for his work ethic. Could you please go into more detail about that, or anyone with more knowledge of the matter?

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Re: OT: Jarvis Jones run a 4.9 at Pro Day

If this were Manti Teo it would be front page news and he would be dropping like a rock in the draft. Jones was non existent against Alabama. They ran at him all day and he did not hold the edge very well. The Suggs comparison are not the same as Suggs was nearly 20lbs heavier. What makes Suggs a great player is his combination of size and athleticism. He can hold the edge and also rush the passer. He is a fringe top 10 pass rusher but a great all around LB. With Jones he is going to end up being more of a pass rush specialist. It also shows he does not spend much time in the gym. He may be better as 4-3 olb.

Re: OT: Jarvis Jones run a 4.9 at Pro Day

Greg Cossell also said that if Jones were 260-265lbs, this probably wouldn't be as worrisome, but the fact that he is 240-245lbs, it is and it should make scouts and GMs worry a bit.

Casserly said the same thing. He mentioned Suggs as the last high-profile OLB/DE prospect to run a 4.9, but pointed out that Suggs was 6'3", 265 or more, not 6'1", 245. It's going to make some people very uncomfortable on draft day, and that's what makes it fun to watch.

Re: OT: Jarvis Jones run a 4.9 at Pro Day

While the "tape" tells a lot, it must be said that he was playing against college players. Now he will be facing the best of the best, AKA NFL pros. That 4.9 should make GMs wary, and JJ may see a drop in his draft status... Bc