I'm sure Dexter could find something dirty about that cop. (Everyone keeps referring to him as a PI but I'm pretty sure he's a cop.) He was originally introduced when La Guerta helped bust him for soliciting a prostitute, after all. But if they play the code card, I could see Lumen killing him to protect Dexter.

But then if they really draw the code out, Dexter would have to kill Lumen (like with Lila when she killed whatshisname to protect Dexter), which I can't imagine them doing.

Well, he wouldn't HAVE to. Lilah met his requirements after she killed Doakes, but let's be real - he killer her because she was making his life difficult, because she knew about him and was unpredictable and presented a danger. (Also because she was SO IRRITATING.) Technically Lumen is a killer, but she is not a "bad person" in the eyes of the code - she's far more victim than predator, and at least at this point only really poses a danger to the people who hurt her. He could rationalize killing her if it became necessary, but I can't see them going there.

Also, I forgot to mention: I got really creeped out with the whole Jordan/Emily exchange. Brrr.

Yeah!! How forking forked up was that?!

it was seriously the scariest part of the whole episode. that woman is so broken.

I didn't see that coming. I was all "!!"

Also, when Deb & Quinn got to the house of the banker dude, I kept forking loud exclaiming. "Ohhh shiiiit"s and "eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"s definitely in my living room. I thought that either they would see him tied up & stuff, but Dexter & Lumen were gone, or that they'd catch Lumen doing it but Dexter wouldn't be there.

Also, I forgot to mention: I got really creeped out with the whole Jordan/Emily exchange. Brrr.

God, seriously. That was so messed up.

Yeah. It was forking bizarre. So now I'm trying to apply all my serial killer obsession reading to this show. Like is Jordan impotent and that's why he only gets a happy from watching others? I think I was more skeeved out by the fact that he didn't want her touching him. I'm always amazed at just how forking creepy this show can get. Blech.

Also, I forgot to mention: I got really creeped out with the whole Jordan/Emily exchange. Brrr.

God, seriously. That was so messed up.

Yeah. It was forking bizarre. So now I'm trying to apply all my serial killer obsession reading to this show. Like is Jordan impotent and that's why he only gets a happy from watching others? I think I was more skeeved out by the fact that he didn't want her touching him. I'm always amazed at just how forking creepy this show can get. Blech.

The way he was just staring forward and not looking at her when she was walking around him freaked me out so bad and I don't even know why.

(I wasn't able to quote so many people, so this is a response to a few things)

I didn't consider the possibility of Jordan being impotent, that is a fascinating possibility! Yes, that scene creeped me out so hard. I'm really impressed with Jonny Lee Miller's performance (though I still would have preferred him as the lead in Walking Dead.) Lumen and Dexter didn't bother me as much as I thought it would, but I was surprised she was able to go through with sex when she is still healing from her emotional trauma.

I'm not sure how I feel about the sexing. It seemed a little inappropriate, even though she initiated it. But at the same time, I agree that they're kinda sweet together, and she's the first person he's ever really been able to be honest with. It could be the Julia Stiles-ness of the character that puts me off. If she were played by a better actress, I'm sure I'd be 100% behind it.

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I'm not sure how I feel about the sexing. It seemed a little inappropriate, even though she initiated it. But at the same time, I agree that they're kinda sweet together, and she's the first person he's ever really been able to be honest with. It could be the Julia Stiles-ness of the character that puts me off. If she were played by a better actress, I'm sure I'd be 100% behind it.

I just found it a little odd that she initiated it even though she previously appeared to be so traumatized by the rape.

I'm not sure how I feel about the sexing. It seemed a little inappropriate, even though she initiated it. But at the same time, I agree that they're kinda sweet together, and she's the first person he's ever really been able to be honest with. It could be the Julia Stiles-ness of the character that puts me off. If she were played by a better actress, I'm sure I'd be 100% behind it.

I just found it a little odd that she initiated it even though she previously appeared to be so traumatized by the rape.

people do recover from things like that, and everyone recovers at his or her own pace. sometimes it's empowering for someone who's been traumatized to take control in future encounters. and dexter has proven beyond any doubt that she can feel completely safe around him.

that's in defense of the writers; i still think stiles is doing a lousy job of portraying this character.

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Yeah, rape victims don't often become asexual. The idea that they *shouldn't* enjoy sex any more is harmful.

i was thinking that too, but simultaneously i was thinking, "how long has it been?" i only had a baby, for god's sake, and i CERTAINLY did not want penis anywhere near my lady parts for at least 8 weeks after, and my vaginal walls were extremely sensitive (and still are a bit) where i tore. if the rape was as violent and prolonged as they are insinuating, i highly doubt that her genitals are fully healed and back to normal. so while obviously i think that people who have experienced rape will eventually go on to have healthy sex lives, i am only being realistic by thinking that Lumen would not really be able to go through with penis in vagina intercourse.

of course, we didn't see them actually do it, so it's possible they just had a very satisfying session of heavy petting. and sorry to anyone who didn't really want to know in detail about the state of my genitals.

Yeah, we're going to have a Dexter marathon when we get home to catch us up on the season so I had to get caught up beforehand. I told her to just give me a 5 minute round up but it ended up lasting the whole day.

Holy shiitake! I am so anxious about next week!!! Seriously, this episode was greatness. I find Dexter and Lumen really cute together, and it's great he's getting some happiness. I was a little shocked that Jordan was actually a dominant personality because he seemed to be a submissive masquerading as a dominant after that whole awkward exchange with Emily from last week. Anyway, this is good.

Also, Quinn and Deb make me want to vomit. In fact, I think most of Deb's romantic interests have made me want to vomit. I don't see this ending well at all because she has serious bad luck in the love department.