I’m honestly, and literally, finding myself completely out of mana on progression encounters. For me, the extra mana in those circumstanes is greater than the small throughput boost. However – I also work with a 6-8 person healing team, so that might make a difference in my choices as well. At some point, I do think that my gear with eclipse the benefits I gain from Furor – but I don’t think I’m quite there yet.

As I said, there is no “right” or “wrong” answer, and the choice should be very player centric. If you can work effectively without Furor, go for it! If you can’t, hold off on trying to move into Genesis for awhile :)

]]>By: Beruthielhttps://fallingleavesandwings.wordpress.com/2011/03/14/mailbag-furor-vs-genesis/#comment-3634
Tue, 22 Mar 2011 15:40:23 +0000http://fallingleavesandwings.wordpress.com/?p=1566#comment-3634Mmph – I am seriously sucking on fumes at the end of every fight. While I’d toy with dropping Furor – I don’t think I could let go of any points in moonglow right now! :)
]]>By: Kaehttps://fallingleavesandwings.wordpress.com/2011/03/14/mailbag-furor-vs-genesis/#comment-3617
Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:15:27 +0000http://fallingleavesandwings.wordpress.com/?p=1566#comment-3617I haven’t run furor at all since Cata’s release, except a brief interlude where I tried to spec into it and after a heroic 5-man, decided I liked Moonglow better.

I am 2/3 Gen and 3/3 Moonglow, with 0/3 furor and 1/3 efflorescence. I actually took points out of Effloresence to give me my Genesis, because as a 10’s healer, Eff wasn’t hitting very many people and I preferred to boost all of my HoTs with Genesis: a change I made around the time of killing Nefarian and Cho’Gall and Al’Akir on normal modes. I tank heal quite a bit and our raid size limits the likelihood of maximizing the people healed with Efflorescence, so it was a good choice for me.

Could I go 3/3 moonglow and 2/3 furor? Sure, it’s an option I keep in the back of my head as we progress through heroics, just in case going OoM over throughput does become a problem. It was something I was considering for H-Chim, but at the same time, throughput is a major issue. If the raid isn’t getting healed up fast enough, there will be deaths, and then your mana pool doesn’t matter anymore. It’s a difficult balance. I chug mana pots and keep my innervates for myself, timing them for power torrent, etc, but I have never raided with furor in my spec and we’re currently 2/13 hardmodes. Other things to consider are what mana-returns you can expect from the rest of the raid in terms of mana tide and hymn, or an innervate from a feral druid.

So I guess my point is this:
Sometimes it’s not the number of spells you cast that saves the raid, but the effectiveness of those spells that you DO cast.

]]>By: Jasylahttps://fallingleavesandwings.wordpress.com/2011/03/14/mailbag-furor-vs-genesis/#comment-3609
Tue, 15 Mar 2011 18:01:50 +0000http://fallingleavesandwings.wordpress.com/?p=1566#comment-3609I dropped Furor and all but 1 point in Moonglow after 4.0.6 to put full points in Genesis. I really like it. My raid is not working on hard modes yet (this week!) and my gear isn’t that great (leather is a myth), but with well-timed Innervates and a mana pot, I haven’t had too many problems going oom.
]]>By: Dendritehttps://fallingleavesandwings.wordpress.com/2011/03/14/mailbag-furor-vs-genesis/#comment-3606
Mon, 14 Mar 2011 23:07:32 +0000http://fallingleavesandwings.wordpress.com/?p=1566#comment-3606THe right time to switch to Genesis is when you hear something off Invisible Touch because goddamn that’s a good album.
]]>By: Gianahttps://fallingleavesandwings.wordpress.com/2011/03/14/mailbag-furor-vs-genesis/#comment-3604
Mon, 14 Mar 2011 21:05:35 +0000http://fallingleavesandwings.wordpress.com/?p=1566#comment-3604Dear Beruthiel!
I’m using 10/0/31 for 2 weeks. I’m 6/13 in hard modes, half 372 gear. From my side mana is ok without Furor.
Good timing with Innervate (proc weapon enchant) and use the Engineering ability (intellect buff) make my Innervate so strong. I’m using it on the second weapon proc for the first (if I have > 80% mana pool, I’m using glyphed Innervate on other healers).
]]>By: Jimhttps://fallingleavesandwings.wordpress.com/2011/03/14/mailbag-furor-vs-genesis/#comment-3603
Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:19:19 +0000http://fallingleavesandwings.wordpress.com/?p=1566#comment-3603I had the same experience. Tried out dropping Furor for Genesis after obtaining my 4-piece bonus. I gave it a full lockout, but decided it definitely wasn’t time for me just yet. Between the lower manapool and weaker innervates/revitalize/replenishment, I felt a big pinch on mana. The nail in the coffin was my inability to immediately Stampeding Roar in a clutch moment due to insufficient energy, resulting in a player death.
]]>By: Pepperpiehttps://fallingleavesandwings.wordpress.com/2011/03/14/mailbag-furor-vs-genesis/#comment-3602
Mon, 14 Mar 2011 20:17:36 +0000http://fallingleavesandwings.wordpress.com/?p=1566#comment-3602I’m only 8/12 in normals (just recently found a talented group to run with so hopefully we’ll get into heroics somewhat soon) so my opinion on this doesn’t matter as much. Anyway I used the standard 8/2/31 build until at one point I was running with 120k mana buffed (in a 5-man mind you!).

So last week I moved a point from furor into genesis and it was a great move. I don’t normally see druids with only 1/3 furor but thought I’d try it anyway. I’ve seen an increase in my healing without it hurting my mana regen. At the same time it’s also helping me to not overheal as much and treat my mana as a limited precious resource.

Obviously this won’t work when we start heroics but maybe one of your readers is in the same stage of progression as me :D

I will start with the disclaimer that my guild is only 10/12 and my gear is 359 ilvl…but I got the overconfident bug running our farm content last week. I already top the healing meters in our guild and had been sharing my innervate with other healers sine my mana was good so I decided to “take off my training wheels” and ride the big boy bike of genesis.

The next raid I was mana starved and hated life.

This is not to say that it wasn’t manageable…but if you are used to playing with 15% extra mana (assuming 100k mana pool, 15k extra mana is a significant number of casts) then you are used to casting the number of spells that mana pool affords. Sadly your style won’t change as fast as your talent tree…so regardless of gear/healing team I think running heroics and farm raid content in that spec a few times first to get a feel for your mana use (healers know what I mean by this anomalous “feel”) will be crucial.

But for those out there with about 359 ilvl…keep the furor! We druids have to roll HoTs…more HoTs is more better!

]]>By: Windsoarhttps://fallingleavesandwings.wordpress.com/2011/03/14/mailbag-furor-vs-genesis/#comment-3600
Mon, 14 Mar 2011 19:57:39 +0000http://fallingleavesandwings.wordpress.com/?p=1566#comment-3600I actually specced out of furor when the 4.0.6 changes went through because I wanted to see how comfortable I felt. I ran a heroic and ended up switching right back before even TESTING it in raid, and I’m glad I did.

We’re currently doing hard-mode progression (3/12 I think) and if nothing else, having the extra mana to fall back on when learning the encounter is a god-send as people constantly stand in bad stuff or find that a mechanic didn’t work as they intended.

While you may be able to make the change, I think it would be highly dependent on your healing team, as well as how quickly you upgraded gear–running in an almost full Tier11 kit, I am still using every ounce of mana I can scrounge up!