All religions, arts, and sciences are branches of the same tree. All these aspirations are directed toward ennobling man's life, lifting it from the sphere of mere physical existence and leading the individual towards freedom. -Albert Einstein-

According your propaganda there are 7 million of you. Do you each have a raffle ticket? Do you think the 6,856,000 of you who miss out will be happy at the end of the end of days? Are your leaders hogging the front seats on the bus?
Somebody back in 1927 or whenever may have thought 144,000 was a lot, but it ain't. Perhaps he wasn't really conversant with math.

(02-13-2010 08:57 AM)minus459 Wrote: According your propaganda there are 7 million of you. Do you each have a raffle ticket? Do you think the 6,856,000 of you who miss out will be happy at the end of the end of days? Are your leaders hogging the front seats on the bus?
Somebody back in 1927 or whenever may have thought 144,000 was a lot, but it ain't. Perhaps he wasn't really conversant with math.

As I understand JW belief (subject to correction), 144,000 JWs will go to heaven and the remainder will live on a renewed earth. All non-JWs will cease to exist. The 144,000 figure is from Revelation chapters 7 and 14.

From my understanding based on past interactions with JWs, the faithful will hold elevated positions on earth. As I understand it they believe you need a physical body to be alive, I don't think they buy into the whole spiritual existence thing. I know they believe when you die you are DEAD until judgment day.

Also, I think they believe everyone gets resurrected, and offered a chance to plead our case (convert) at that time.

Parousia Wrote:As I understand JW belief (subject to correction), 144,000 JWs will go to heaven and the remainder will live on a renewed earth. All non-JWs will cease to exist. The 144,000 figure is from Revelation chapters 7 and 14.

The above sounds like a good system in principle, that should afford endangered species on the planet a chance to recover their numbers. I approve, but would personally like the option of not being revived for the Judgement Day bash, only to be condemned to an eternity of non-existence. If God is as mega sophisticated as he must be to do all that judging, he could just leave everyone who doesn't qualify for eternal life under the sod and save a lot of unnecessary administration.

I despise reality TV shows, and imagine a Judgement Day situation would resemble one of those, with God like a Simon Cowell figure and all the eliminated contestants blubbing and begging for another chance.

(02-16-2010 04:13 AM)minus459 Wrote: How is it possible for GOD to forget?
The concept is nonsensical.

he certainly will not forget those in the memorial tombs

He knows what is in the hearts of all. (Hebrews 4:13) Moreover, even if one is dead for centuries, God’s memory of that person does not fade.Job 14:13-15.
the billions of people in the grave are yet in God’s mind in clear detail. (Proverbs 15:11) Even those who have not been buried, but who have been destroyed in the sea, or by burning and otherwise, are just as vividly in his memory.—Revelation 20:13.