Saturday, July 19, 2014

MH17 all but completely proven to be flight 370 - July 18 2014 [ Source] The bodies were d...9:43:00 AM

MH17 all but completely proven to be flight 370- July 18 2014 [Source]The bodies were dead for days before the flight and smelling of
rot according to top military commander at the scene, which would be
expected if they were actually from flight 370. They would have been
loaded on the plane dead to make sure none could speak about what went
on.

"MOSCOW — A top pro-Russia rebel commander in eastern Ukraine has given a
bizarre version of events surrounding the Malaysian jetliner crash —
suggesting many of the victims may have died days before the plane took
off. The pro-rebel website Russkaya Vesna on Friday quoted Igor Girkin
as saying he was told by people at the crash site that “a significant
number of the bodies weren’t fresh,” adding that he was told they were
drained of blood and reeked of decomposition."My comment: This strongly supports MH370 as being the real
shoot down plane, with all passengers dead long before and probably
being taken off of ice and loaded into the plane for final disposal.
If a body is already dead before a crash, crash damage will not show up
the same way it will with live bodies. This is probably why so many of
the bodies in the wreckage do not show serious burns or blood. A good
example of this effect is to take a piece of chicken and throw it in a
hot pan for a few seconds. If you remove it from the hot pan within a
short time, it will look totally uncooked. Yet if you put your hand on
that hot pan for even half a second, it will be badly burned, and show
it. Live flesh shows injury easily because of the way living cells
respond to injury. If the bodies were dead for days and possibly loaded
onto the plane well chilled it would explain a lot about their
relatively undamaged appearance in the wreckage.As I suspected, MH17 is NOT supposed to over fly Eastern Ukraine

MH17 does over fly Ukraine because the curvature of the earth makes
flying over a small portion of Western Ukraine the shortest route. And I
calculated that, only to be put off by a piece of disinfo which showed
the flight path accomodating this "shoot down". MH17 indeed does not
fly a straight line by appearances on a map, but it also does not curve
extremely far east as now shown on disinfo sites to accomodate the
"official" story. And someone else nailed this, and it ended up in my
mail box.
Yonatan said...
If it was MH17 that was shot down over Torez, it was 200 km north of its
published route. It doesn't fly over the eastern land border between
Ukraine and Russia. It crosses the Ukrainian coast at Berdyansk to fly
over the Sea of Azov towards Primorsko-Akhtarsk.
What time was it allegedly shot down? How come it disappeared from
trackers in west Ukraine and and appears to have traveled about 1000 km
into eastern Ukraine some 200 km off route without being challenged by
Ukrainian authorities?
Hmmm very odd, in the time taken to send my earlier message and to
compose this update, FlightAware's data has been updated to show the
aircraft in East Ukraine. Fortunately I have earlier screenshots of both
before and after FlightAware data.
A new data entry for 2:19 puts it at 48.1N 38.5E roughly around Donestk /
Torez. There is no data for the intervening hour. Why was it so far off
route? What was the reason for the lack of tracking data? All the
earlier MH17 flights I have checked route even further south.
Something's fishier than a barrel full of rotting fish.MY COMMENT: YEP. AS FISHY AS MISSING FLIGHT 370. I knew it!
Eastern Ukraine is NOT the correct flight path for the real MH17, which
is why MH17 is now flying perfectly on schedule again! a different 777
was used for this. UPDATE: This got expunged and no longer exists. I
suggest people verify for themselves, flight MH17 DOES NOT GO TO WHERE
THIS SHOOT DOWN HAPPENED, NOT EVEN WITHIN 175 KILOMETERS OF WHERE IT
HAPPENED. I called this on day one, only to be railroaded by B.S. put
up ahead of time to no doubt stifle any search for the flight path for
MH17. That alone is a smoking gun, this was set up well in advance.
My estimation of earth curvature had MH17 passing over a very small
portion of Western Ukraine, never getting within 250 KM of Russia. I
sure would like to see the published route, but the page it was on has
BEEN REMOVED. Censorship is ruling the day, more so with this than any
other event so far.

Selective censorship of MH17 coverage speaks volumes

Whoever controls the internet is swapping out screen captures I
have posted with alternative images that have completely different file
names and are not even on my server. I cannot stop this from happening,
if anything conflicts the text will have to do. This is HUGE, and the
swap outs have been done to linked tweets, linked testimony of
witnesses, and screen captures which strongly indicate that MH17 never
took off on July 17, and therefore a different plane had to have been
used. This would slam dunk the 100 dead aids doctors story, which I
think is BOGUS.I seriously think the 100 dead doctors story is disinfo, in fact
I am going to CALL IT. However, it is going to be huge so I have to at
least mention it: 100 top aids researchers were on flight MH17
but keep in mind that counter stories that are really likely to go
viral will be launched to muddy the waters with anything such as the
downing of flight 370. I would be aware of this but skeptical. 100
doctors? HOW BIG IS THAT CONFERENCE, IF IT STUFFED 100 DOCTORS FROM A
SMALL COUNTRY ONTO A SINGLE PLANE DAYS BEFORE THE CONFERENCE? I CALL
B.S. from that alone!

Pa Namby wrote:
".. of air crashes. No images of people asking for fate, complaining, crying, etc.
Usually the first air disasters coverage is reporting on familiar's reactions.
I have seen nothing...have you?"
My response: Good point. The families of flight 370 already did that!

One huge problem is that flight MH17 resumed as usual with the only
missing flight being the shoot down, which by itself is very strange
considering the nature of the shoot down. Flight 370 was canceled for
weeks so I beg to question why MH17 continued without a hiccup if it
really had been shot down. But since the report about the doctors and
the aids conference is in the rounds, I at least have to mention it,
though I doubt it. There is too much other evidence to the contrary,
such as MH17 IS ALREADY ON SCHEDULE AGAIN.

Here is the most heavily censored event, and the background on it

Fighter jet escorts reveal the real story: FINAL – Spanish
Air Controller @ Kiev Borispol Airport: Ukraine Military Shot Down
Boeing #MH17Immediately after the shoot down, foreign people entered the control
tower at Kiev Borispol Airport which was monitoring flight MH17 and
removed the normal workers and started doing their jobs. These
"replacements by force" were obviously put there to front the official
story. The normal control tower staff then reported the presense of two
fighter jet escorts via Twitter. These tweets were subsequently
removed by Twitter.However, the normal tower staff has successfully
gotten through to various honest news outlets such asTHIS ONE, which has had this link vanish from this site for some readers.
If the link is not visible check back later and I will have a capture
here. If these people succesfully speak, the fact that "MH17" was under
fighter jet escort will not be buried by Twitter or any replacement
staff.

Flight departure times are inconsistent, and one major web site showed MH17 as canceled on the 17th.

If flight MH17 really took off, it would have had an agreed upon
departure time. But three news outlets released 3 different departure
times, which strongly indicates the flight never happened and a
different 777 was shot down. And anyone could safely bet the now zio
zombie Ukraine would dispose of flight 370 for a military perk from the
U.S.It is highly probable that flight 370 was substituted out,
zombie flown either via remote by both fighter jets or by pre programmed
autopilot with the transponder programmed to identify it as MH17, with
all original passengers aboard and possibly other undesirables, and then
shot down by the fighter jet escorts.Buk missiles produce a very
noticeable plume, and no one documented any. In the day of cell phone
cams, I would say zero documentation of something so noticeable means no
missile launch. This points the finger at the fighter jet escorts which
have always been completely scrubbed from the mainstream media and
would do the dirty work at an altitude too high for any witnesses. And
with Ukraine now operating as a zio proxy state, any investigation of
the debris will be carried out "appropriately".
Obviously this is all guessing, but when we have an established media
that is well proven to do nothing but lie with events such as this, a
guess is better than practically anything the media would spew. One
unanswered question is how the originating airport could be kept quiet
about this, BUT if an intermediate tower not associated with the initial
takeoff could be silenced about what they saw, and this was a very
important psy op, I am certain the correct arrangements would be made at
the originating location to keep a lid on this, which leaves the only
other venue of proof being one documented cancellation on a flight
tracker site, and numerous media errors regarding departure time.
If a departure for MH17 happened, only ONE time would be logged, yet
within a short time I found 3, at 14 minutes, 15 minutes and 31 minutes
past the hour (compensate yourself for time zone.) This inconsistency
is practically bullet proof evidence no flight departure time was ever
actually recorded, if a real departure happened all news sources would
have the same departure time. This has all been preserved on this site
in other posts farther down the page, they cannot go back and change
them and get away with it.

So what actually happened as far as I see it?

The originating tower was re-staffed at least temporarily with people
who would keep a secret about what really went on at the airport.
Flight370 was remote flown or flown out via pre programmed autopilot
with a transponder identifying it as MH17. It then received two fighter
jet escorts when far enough away from the originating airport to not
arouse suspicion and these fighter escorts for the most part stayed
close enough to conceal their radar signature and provide "pilot
feedback" from pilot absent zombie flown flight 370. At the appropriate
time it was shot down.

HOW APPROPRIATE WAS THE TIMING OF THIS SHOOT DOWN? So
appropriate it perfectly corresponded with the start of a massive
Israeli ground assault on Gaza to divert public attention to something
else. That is the FINAL red flag here, it is such a huge red flag it
blocks out the sky above all other reason.

So, in short: MH370 was disposed of because it had to be gotten rid of,
and it was done in a way that diverted news away from a huge assault on
Gaza and as a bonus gave Russia a black eye. Milk it every way they
can, by way of deception thou shalt do war, and though obviously none of
this will ever be "officially" documented, the logic certainly fits.

And a final nail - MH17 is proceeding as normal, with normal
flights THE DAY AFTER. When MH370 vanished, that route was cancelled
FOR WEEKS. WHAT IS UP WITH THAT? Is anyone out there really stupid
enough to believe business as usual would resume the the next scheduled
flight after a genuine loss of an aircraft that flies anywhere near a
war zone?

That next scheduled flight is LANDING IN MALAYSIA THE DAY
AFTER ON SCHEDULE AS I WRITE THIS, and I beg to question WHY. Is anyone
out there gullible enough to buy the notion of business as usual after a
genuine unexpected shoot down, or perhaps more importantly, the loss of
two IDENTICAL 777 aircraft from the SAME AIRLINE within 4 months?
FIGURE THE ODDS.

For the information hounds out there, this is an interesting read,
ESPECIALLY THE PILE OF PASSPORTS and perfect condition bodies. I
myself noticed how pristine the bodies were. Was flight 370 in fact
blown up on the ground, with crisis actors used? This guy has some
really good points worth mentioning, which would completely explain why
MH17 resumed service without a hitch. Yet another good way flight 370
could have been disposed of.