So I know how to descale with a Gaggia Classic and even backflush with a blind filter basket in it. On this new machine I am going to use Ascaso products .Backflush seems pretty straight forward. To descale seems pretty straight forward also albeit one small detail. To reach above the water line in the horizontal boilerdoes one lift machine about 30 degrees to left and to right with descaler in boiler to reach the top parts,and leave solution in for a certain amount of timebefore running out the hot water and steam wand? Is it ok to run some out through the E61 brew group ? Lastly I thought i saw the descale procedure had been moved outto every three months. Yes ...no...maybe. Im up to 32 double shot Lattes in 2 weekends and one mid work day off so its not time yet....just asking ahead of time.

I have an email in to Jim at 1st-Line hopefully its on their website I am following 1st-Lines instructions

I got a response from Jim with the information,I think he may have sent it once before,sorry Jim. So I am going with what they say. Awesome and yes I love my machine.

Awesome and thats how it should be, buy a good machine from people who know what they are talking about,who care and stand behind what they sell. Its a long term relationship...a partnership if you will.Thats why I am going to follow the maintenance schedule they (1st-Line) recommend with the products they recommend. Thats what interested me in an Italian machine with time proven technology and STANDARD PARTS.There a few others that are like 1st-Line too. These machines have the potential to be around a long time if maintained and repaired when needed.

slybarman Said:

Ordered a replacement relay from 1st line on Tuesday. Arrived next day (today). Took about 5 minutes to swap out and I am back in business.

1st line has their fulfillment operation down pretty well I would say.

Fingers crossed this relay lasts a bit longer than the original one did.

Most others have an e61 that are after market. There is an Italian company that makes these after market one for most other companies. Right now, I am not sure who owns the patent. I have visited the Vibiemme facility in Italy, and they do not produce theirs themselves. They are made by someone else to their specifications.

A Cimbali/Faema dealer called here several weeks ago and advised that Cimbali/Faema will be sending letters to all those that reference 'e61' in their products to stop advertising as such. I am not about the validity of this. I have seen some Spanish machines that reference the e61 and noted sometimes as eb61. When inspected closely, there are small differences and I 'believe' these are manufactured by a Spanish after market supplier.

Thanks. Most orders ship same day. Our new web site is fully integrated with the warehouse, accounting, inventory, and shipping systems. In fact, I think we are better than the big A. The only difference is that since we are in NJ, orders to the west coast can take up to a week to deliver under standard shipping.

Although the Cuadra could be left on all day, this particular relay will take the most wear and tear hits while the machine is powered on all day. This is why I suggest to always power down ANY home machine when not in use, unless you a full commercial high end espresso machine with full size pressurstat. There are only so many click on/click off cycles that any electrical relay or heating element will take before dying.

I wonder how they will enforce that when so many companies have used that termfor so long?

1stline Said:

Most others have an e61 that are after market. There is an Italian company that makes these after market one for most other companies. Right now, I am not sure who owns the patent. I have visited the Vibiemme facility in Italy, and they do not produce theirs themselves. They are made by someone else to their specifications.

A Cimbali/Faema dealer called here several weeks ago and advised that Cimbali/Faema will be sending letters to all those that reference 'e61' in their products to stop advertising as such. I am not about the validity of this. I have seen some Spanish machines that reference the e61 and noted sometimes as eb61. When inspected closely, there are small differences and I 'believe' these are manufactured by a Spanish after market supplier.

They definitely have an uphill battle enforcing any kind of trademark on the term "E61". Patents are a non-issue as well as the 61 refers to the original patent which was filed in 1961. Any patent protections expired a long time ago.

So i've been using my Cuadra for about a month and absolutely love the machine. I generally turn it on in the morning before getting ready for work. In normal course ie. i flick the switch in the morning and the heat pump engages, in 15-20 min the grouphead hits a temp of 200ish. I have noticed that in the 20ish days i've had the machine, that there have been 4 or 5 times where i have turned the machine on (water resevoir is full) and it hasn't engaged the heat pump and then 20ish minutes later the grouphead is only at a temp of about 165. After i engage the pump and flush the grouphead the temp will go from 165 to a temp of 200ish.

Any idea why this could happen or suggestions on how to prevent this from happenning and has this damaged my machine at all?

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