Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

I agree with Kreso. Porsche can't bring a Carrera facelift and then wait another year to facelift the Turbo. One would be stupid to buy a Turbo in that year. You'd be buying "the old" car. They really need to facelift the complete 991 range, not just the Carrera.

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

SuzyF:

I agree with Kreso. Porsche can't bring a Carrera facelift and then wait another year to facelift the Turbo. One would be stupid to buy a Turbo in that year. You'd be buying "the old" car. They really need to facelift the complete 991 range, not just the Carrera.

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

RC:

SuzyF:

I agree with Kreso. Porsche can't bring a Carrera facelift and then wait another year to facelift the Turbo. One would be stupid to buy a Turbo in that year. You'd be buying "the old" car. They really need to facelift the complete 991 range, not just the Carrera.

They have done it in the past, so why not now?

The Turbo and GT models are not Carrera models.

I know they've done it in the past, but I still think it's absolutely rediculous. But it seems to be something German brands like to do. BMW does it as well, just like Audi, albeit in a slightly different way (convertibles).

i just cannot understand that people would still buy a new pre-facelift Turbo, while the Carrera has had its facelift already. No matter how you call it, these are all 991. A Carrera is as much a 991 as a Turbo or a GT3 or a Targa for that matter.

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

RC:

I couldn't care less since the Turbo looks different than the Carrera (wider butt, side air inlets, LED lights, etc.).

It's still a 991... But I guess I'm very sensitive fot these kind of things I hate to drive an "old" car, even if the majority of people doesn't see any differences. The fact that I know it, bothers me. Unless a car is really old... Like a youngtimer or an oldtimer.

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

SuzyF:

RC:

I couldn't care less since the Turbo looks different than the Carrera (wider butt, side air inlets, LED lights, etc.).

It's still a 991... But I guess I'm very sensitive fot these kind of things I hate to drive an "old" car, even if the majority of people doesn't see any differences. The fact that I know it, bothers me. Unless a car is really old... Like a youngtimer or an oldtimer.

This may be the reason why the 911 Turbo driver usually thinks a little bit different. When you ask them what they drive, they say 911 Turbo, not 911. For most of "us", the 911 Turbo is...a 911 Turbo, not a 911. I know this may sound weird but when you ask 911 GT3 or GT2 drivers, they usually tell you they drive a GT3 or GT2, not a 911.

You don't have to understand this but like I said before, I couldn't care less if the Carrera gets a facelift a year earlier or whatever as long as they don't transform it into a Turbo (oh well...they actually do but thats a completely different story ).

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

This strategy is also how they capture more market share and keep people "trading up"... it sucks but it is what it is. It would not surprise me in the least if the Carrera models get the facelift before the Turbo/GT3/GT2 variants.

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

SuzyF:

I agree with Kreso. Porsche can't bring a Carrera facelift and then wait another year to facelift the Turbo. One would be stupid to buy a Turbo in that year. You'd be buying "the old" car. They really need to facelift the complete 991 range, not just the Carrera.

I think, practically, that's a difficult proposition. There are 16 "911" models, which fall into 4 distinct lines,

Carrera

Carrera 4

Turbo

GT3

each one of which is quite different from the other. And that's not even splitting out the cabs.

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

keithos27:

This strategy is also how they capture more market share and keep people "trading up"... it sucks but it is what it is. It would not surprise me in the least if the Carrera models get the facelift before the Turbo/GT3/GT2 variants.

Yepp I agree. It's their way of marketing. To me that's also the biggest problem with the 911. Too many different models.

I've said it before, but I would prefer the line-up without any S-models. Carrera, Carrera 4, Targa, Turbo, GT3, GT2. All cars with the 3.8 and at least 400hp in the Carrera/Targa models. An optional powerkit for the people that want a bit more. Save the 350hp 3.4 for the 981 to give that car more breathing space, which it deserves. Makes the performance gap between 981 to 991 50hp instead of 25....

OTOH... Who am I to say it's wrong. They're making a serious amount of profit this way.

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

I guess its just me, but I like having choices among lots of variants of the superb 911 core design. In fact, the one thing I don't like is having to buy "packages" that include something I don't care for to get something I want.

Re facelift: I have heard (from a factory certified repair shop that has to purchase factory supplied jigs and other repair tools) that there are changes coming under the skin - new lighter materials in the structural and mechanical bits. If so the surgery could include other body parts too!

Re: OFFICIAL: 991 Turbo and Turbo S

RC:

What do Carrera and Turbo have in common again?

They are the same car.

To the vast majority they are all 911, no matter if they have a clean design or silly wings all around.
And IMHO you also can't compare facelift with modelchange. The latter is a real cut with new up to date technologies, but sometimes with a new design to which some customers first must to get used to, whereas the former is basically the same as the pre-facelift model but without the flaws of the first attempt.