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ProFootballTalk on NBCSports.comTue, 31 Mar 2015 21:58:26 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: mlandsjrhttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/27/delay-could-hurt-a-redskins-lawsuit/#comment-2360040
Thu, 28 Feb 2013 12:39:44 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1773982#comment-2360040The harm is in the fact they have a lot of guys on their team who qualify for free agency and no room to sign them due to the penalty.
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Thu, 28 Feb 2013 02:38:08 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1773982#comment-2359572Goodell should show his balls and give the redskins some room back. Maybe 10mil…

Just remember judge dotty already ruled that there was no collusion so really what legs will this case have to stand on. I honestly don’t see much of a case here. But I say good luck trying.
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He ruled that he wouldn’t challenge the ruling, not that there was no collusion.

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Wed, 27 Feb 2013 23:19:57 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1773982#comment-2359154Just remember judge dotty already ruled that there was no collusion so really what legs will this case have to stand on. I honestly don’t see much of a case here. But I say good luck trying.
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Wed, 27 Feb 2013 22:06:41 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1773982#comment-2359033I just made a list of the 20 teams that were over or within 1m of the 123m “spirit of the cap” in 2010, and the top 15 teams in terms of 2013 cap room. I expect it to be removed due to length. But basically, of the 13 teams that dumped salary into 2010, six are in the top 15 in cap room, and only four teams (Denver, Cincy, Buffalo, and Tenessee) are in the top 15 without spending over 123m in 2010, dumping salary, or spending under the imaginary cap floor.
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Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:57:57 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1773982#comment-2358606paulsmith107 says:
Feb 27, 2013 2:29 PM
Hail lol have fun trying to win 5 games this year. You’ll have to cut a ton of starters and you have no draft picks lol and your franchise qb is one bum knee away from being an after though. Hope you enjoyed your one season of averageness clowns

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Ah, someone needs to do their homework before opening mouth and inserting foot…first they won’t have to cut a ton of players, but your biggest goof was to say they have no draft picks…think again genius….

They have these picks by round:

2nd round
3rd round
4th round
5th round
5th round
6th round
7th round

that is 7 picks and who knows what goes on during the draft that could be increased and or decreased based on needs or desire for a particular player.

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Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:51:37 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1773982#comment-2358569At the start of the “uncapped” year the average for the salery cap should have about 123 mil. Given that it had increased about 4.5 mil a year and in 2009 in was 118 mil. That being said 15 teams spent more than 123 mil that year including the Giants. If you review the cap numbers, the GM’s clearly were in collusion because the Steelers, Texans and I think the Panthers all spent 122.9 mil that year.
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Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:42:07 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1773982#comment-2358535mjkelly77 says:
Feb 27, 2013 2:06 PM

And now that hand will be on a wheelchair.

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Please explain.
Are you referring to London Fletchers age? Are you threatening someone? Do you expect the Redskins to increase community service efforts at the local hospitals?

Surely you aren’t making a tired joke about a players injury.

]]>By: paulsmith107http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/27/delay-could-hurt-a-redskins-lawsuit/#comment-2358488
Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:29:39 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1773982#comment-2358488Hail lol have fun trying to win 5 games this year. You’ll have to cut a ton of starters and you have no draft picks lol and your franchise qb is one bum knee away from being an after though. Hope you enjoyed your one season of averageness clowns
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Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:27:27 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1773982#comment-2358478Unless they won the Super Bowl with the talent they had, how can anyone say they weren’t harmed.

You could speculate forever. “If they had better talent, they wouldn’t have had to win 7 straight to get in, then they wouldn’t have been likely to rush RG3 back, then he wouldn’t have gotten reinjured…” See how easy the speculation game is?

The fact is, if you lost 18 M, then you won’t get as much talent, therefore you will be “harmed.”

That’s alright. They were still the NFC East champs with one hand tied behind their back.
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And now that hand will be on a wheelchair.

]]>By: mjkelly77http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/02/27/delay-could-hurt-a-redskins-lawsuit/#comment-2358380
Wed, 27 Feb 2013 19:05:02 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1773982#comment-2358380“Given that they thrived in 2012 without the other $18 million, a judge would likely say that the Redskins won’t be irreparably harmed by waiting for a possible $36 million cap credit in the future, if they win in court.”
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Huh? Of course the Redskins will be harmed having $18 million less to play around with. But should litigation occur, Daniel Snyder will be ostracized from the “old boys club” so I don’t see it happening.

Additionally, the Chiefs and Buccaneers used the uncapped year to spend under the legal salary floor. Though illegal and not approved by the league office,this was excused because it was an “uncapped year”. However, player contracts restructures which were approved, signed, and validated by the league office are not, apparently.

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Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:23:54 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1773982#comment-2358205Such whiners. Redskins and their fans are amazing crybaby puzzies.
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Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:18:58 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1773982#comment-2358182I think the opposite as I think they have a strong case. Irreparable harm comes in when the NFL sanctioned the penalties on the eve of FA 2012. Luckily they were in good shape cap wise. The other portion is hurting when it comes to managing the cap this year. They’ll have to part ways with some of their own players and can’t sign any FA’s. The league has done them dirty and to let them get away with it would mean they can do this to other teams if they want. If I’m the Redskins I go all out and go to court. Yes, owners will despise the Redskins after the dusts settles but there is an injustice here and some illegal-backroom dealings going on. I think they have the evidence that could prove the league was involved in collusion it’s just a matter of how far the Redskins are willing to go.
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Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:16:52 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1773982#comment-2358171There was nothing in writing that said the Redskins could not do what they & Dallas did. The league took it upon themselves to issue these penalties without merit. Goodell aka God, thinks he has the right to strip cap space right before free agency because he can. Wrong! If there was a written rule stating teams cannot dump salary, then it would be different, but there wasn’t…bottom line! Sue on Danny!
Let’s be honest too, if RG3 wasn’t the QB he was, do you honestly think Rex & KC would have won the division?? The OL is not great by any means and needs work. See the Seattle game for reference. The Secondary can’t cover, so yes, the cap space is much needed to fill the holes this team has.
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Wed, 27 Feb 2013 18:01:05 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1773982#comment-2358122People are naive and idiotic if they don’t think this is corrupt I don’t know what is … Mara is part of the committee that punished the cowboys and skins (as is Jerry jones who did not know of penalties against him until made public). Mara is a pos just like the Giants.. He purposely did this other wise you penalize all the teams.. Bears being one I forgot the 4th team. Wonder why the cowboys and skins got picked and nobody else .. Use the thing between your ears clowns
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Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:58:49 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1773982#comment-2358110“The fact that the Redskins took their medicine in 2012 and still qualified for the postseason will make it harder to show that they will suffer “irreparable harm” by entering (2013) free agency without their $18 million in cap space.”

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C’mon, Florio, get your head in the game. To quote Det. Alonzo Harris from Training Day, “This sh*t’ is chess, it ain’t checkers!”

Think it through – wouldn’t the Redskins rebuttal to that line of thinking go something like this?

“Well, if the team did have the extra $18m cap room, they would have done much better than a mere post-season qualification. As such, the “irreparable harm” was done in the form of lost competitiveness due to lack of cap room – competitiveness that would have been strengthened for a playoff run with better players ($18m worth of better players, to be specific). The lost revenue from an early playoff exit simply cannot be calculated”

To quote an earlier post from another article, “Beltbuckle Danny don’t bluff about litigation…”

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Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:58:33 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1773982#comment-2358109weaponx73 says: Feb 27, 2013 12:11 PM
Man are people dense the Redskins and the boys werent penalized for over spending. They were penalized for using the uncapped year to cut players that they couldnt in a capped year because the dead money would kill them. But they didnt listen and used it to dump Haynesworth and other bad free agent gets. This does effect competitive balance and it was an instance of the nfl looking out for the players.
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No. More correct than most, but still essentially wrong. There were no players cut during the uncapped year by either the Cowboys or the Redskins, and every player got every penny they were owed. What both teams did was restructure contracts so that they could pay players more guaranteed money during the uncapped year, making it easier on their salary caps in the following years (or, in Haynesworth’s case, to trade him to New England).

So no, the NFL was not looking out for the players: allowing the two richest franchises in the NFL more cap room to play around with gives more players more money. How could taking an employer’s money ever help his employees?

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Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:53:17 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1773982#comment-2358090John Mara was born naked into this world with only his Daddy’s money to cover his nakedness.

Once he opened his pie hole to ESPN he confirmed that the league illegally colluded against the union.

While Snyder has his own faults — at least he has never opened his pie hole and exposed his business partners as the violaters of federal labor law.

I don’t understand why the other owner’s haven’t put a muzzel on Mara – his mouth could get them all in trouble and puts the whole anti-trust exemption at risk.

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Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:53:14 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1773982#comment-2358089The lawsuit is a good idea although I think we should also warn John Mara that unless he gets his puppet Goodell to remove the fines, we’ll beat them twice again this season or at least knock them out of the playoffs, just as we did the past two years.
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Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:52:43 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1773982#comment-2358084They should have a separate section for commenters, one for those who don’t understand the NFL, the convoluted CBA and think Al Davis was useless. Who would rather repeat how many championships “their” team won.

And one for individuals who would like to have intellegent discussions.

If they did agree, that would also be an agreement among competitors, same as the other teams agreeing not to do something, and for antitrust purposes has to be subjected to the same analysis – whether the agreement restrained trade (injured competition). For example, even agreements between competitors not to charge above a maximum price are illegal. The Redskins’ position is not as clear as some might think.

Little Danny should do everything he can to be the new Al Davis. That worked out great for the Raiders.
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Al Davis is and was one of the greatest owners in the history of professional sports. His terrible eye for talent towards the end of his life should not overshadow his invaluable contributions to the development of the league or his revolutionary, firebrand style of leadership and ownership.

The arbitrator strung this process out quite unnecessarily because in the end his multi-page report amounted to:

“I am not even going to consider the case. Given that the union signed off on it, it doesn’t fall within my remit.”

The Redskins and Cowboys didn’t lose the case in arbitration. The special arbitrator essentially refused to hear any arguments regarding the way the Redskins and Cowboys operated during the uncapped year.

Timing alone provides a justifiable reason for why the Redskins did not file a court case last year. Free agency was essentially already over before the arbitration process disappeared in a puff of indifference.

As for making the play-offs making it hard to prove that a second $18m penalty will cause harm, they just have to detail the contracts of the players they will have to cut in order to get in under the cap.

The Redskins will surely be allowed to represent the interest of their contracted players. The NFLPA certainly didn’t when they signed off. There certainly would not be any conflict there.

The lesson is: if the majority of the owners agree, and can get the agreement of the NFLPA to agree ,they can retrospectively changes the rules and apply any penalty they feel like, to whomever they feel like.

It was the Redskins and Cowboys this time. It could be your team next.

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Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:11:36 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1773982#comment-2357893Man are people dense the Redskins and the boys werent penalized for over spending. They were penalized for using the uncapped year to cut players that they couldnt in a capped year because the dead money would kill them. But they didnt listen and used it to dump Haynesworth and other bad free agent gets. This does effect competitive balance and it was an instance of the nfl looking out for the players. So if you are going to cry like a chick with a skinned knee over this get your facts straight. Atleast then you only look like a homer not a moron.
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Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:07:10 +0000http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/?p=1773982#comment-2357872The NFL really saying we should have done this during the season? Last year they gave us the penalty a day before free agency, dont be hypocrites.
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