I just picked up the Asus GTX670 for $400. If AMD released the 7950 and 7970 at the correct prices ($300 and $400 respectively) I would have gotten the 7950 at it's launch and missed out on the bad ass GTX670. So, thank you AMD for overpricing your cards and showing me that patience pays off. Not having to deal with the micro-stutter from my old 5850-CFX set up rocks.

AMD really has to get out of this price bubble where in their mind their is no competition. The 7850 should really be $220, the 7870 should be $270 and this new 7950 GHZ should show up for $350 at the absolute most. Considering it's probably likely that the GTX660 will perform like a 7950 but cost much less, if AMD doesn't do these price corrections fast then more and more people like me will switch to nVidia who, while still pricey, has the price/performance crown. Only if AMD can get it's ego in line and understand that the 7950 really (will) compete best with the GTX660 and pre-empt it's release with a $300 7950(non-Ghz), Just as the 7970 should be $370-$400 as it competes well with the GTX670.

The 670 and 7970 are close. The 7970 has better compute and better performance at higher resolutions. My personal opinion is 7970 should be $420 and the 7950 $320. I just bought a 7970 for $385... so I think I got a decent deal.

exactly...so how can a 7970 ever go for more than 400'ish as the 470 does is beyond me, and the 7950 has no prayer at the 670 without seeing latest drivers and whatever clocks they release the new 7950 at I'd still bet on the fact the 670 at bone stock will laugh at it in a majority of the games out there if not almost every one. SO...that means the new 7950 is overpriced if it goes over 350 far as I'm concerned, and really should be more around the 320 mark realistically.

exactly...so how can a 7970 ever go for more than 400'ish as the 470 does is beyond me, and the 7950 has no prayer at the 670 without seeing latest drivers and whatever clocks they release the new 7950 at I'd still bet on the fact the 670 at bone stock will laugh at it in a majority of the games out there if not almost every one. SO...that means the new 7950 is overpriced if it goes over 350 far as I'm concerned, and really should be more around the 320 mark realistically.

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I can agree with your pricing. I did see a 7970 going for under $400 bucks the other day which is promising I suppose.

exactly...so how can a 7970 ever go for more than 400'ish as the 470 does is beyond me, and the 7950 has no prayer at the 670 without seeing latest drivers and whatever clocks they release the new 7950 at I'd still bet on the fact the 670 at bone stock will laugh at it in a majority of the games out there if not almost every one. SO...that means the new 7950 is overpriced if it goes over 350 far as I'm concerned, and really should be more around the 320 mark realistically.

I can agree with your pricing. I did see a 7970 going for under $400 bucks the other day which is promising I suppose.

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true, and to be fair on the flipside I don't see how a gtx 680 commands a 100+ dollar premium over the 670...just isn't worth it, considering again to be fair in some games and especially when clocked to ghz plus a 7970 is right there or beats a 680 so...again clock for clock especially if you could take out the boost clock the 680's have now that the 7970 has gone to relatively reasonable price levels the 680 is pretty out of whack for what you actually get, I only mentioned the 7950 due to this article obviously plus I think it's laughable till recently and even still you can find plenty of 7950's OVER 400$...I pity anyone who buys one of those at this point for that much.

true, and to be fair on the flipside I don't see how a gtx 680 commands a 100+ dollar premium over the 670...just isn't worth it, considering again to be fair in some games and especially when clocked to ghz plus a 7970 is right there or beats a 680 so...again clock for clock especially if you could take out the boost clock the 680's have now that the 7970 has gone to relatively reasonable price levels the 680 is pretty out of whack for what you actually get, I only mentioned the 7950 due to this article obviously plus I think it's laughable till recently and even still you can find plenty of 7950's OVER 400$...I pity anyone who buys one of those at this point for that much.

im starting to think Amd have a Lot of 7xxx in channel and i cant help but think that Q3-4(prob 4) when 8xxx gets released there's going to be a lot of high oomph gfx cards on the market, possibly too many as nvidia are going to be working on a counter punch to the Ghz jab of Amd, then yet again well be swamped with decent cards that smash modern games up, and yes and some great bargains to be had

true, and to be fair on the flipside I don't see how a gtx 680 commands a 100+ dollar premium over the 670...just isn't worth it, considering again to be fair in some games and especially when clocked to ghz plus a 7970 is right there or beats a 680 so...again clock for clock especially if you could take out the boost clock the 680's have now that the 7970 has gone to relatively reasonable price levels the 680 is pretty out of whack for what you actually get, I only mentioned the 7950 due to this article obviously plus I think it's laughable till recently and even still you can find plenty of 7950's OVER 400$...I pity anyone who buys one of those at this point for that much.

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It seems like you don't like nVidia's strategy, I much rather have the second place card run really really close to the top end, than have a gulf of a performance difference like the 7950 to 7970. While that may seem stupid on nVidia's part, its really great for us. Besides, if someone has the $$ to spend on a higher end one, let them. It's always an option. This reminds me of how close the Geforce 6800 GT performed to the Geforce 6800 Ultra and had a huge $100 difference..funny how history repeats itself :_)

If the Radeon 7950 ran as close to the 7970 as the GTX670 runs to the GTX680, I would have upgraded my Graphics card months ago. AMD really shouldn't have cut BOTH the cards ROPs AND the clockspeed...In my opinion, the 7950 should have just been a downclocked 7970...and introduced what we have now as the 7950,as the 7930 later on.

Just looking at this [H] review of the overclocked 670, 680, and 7970, I don't see why the 7970 Ghz needs to be at the $400 mark. It beats the 670 and 680 when they are all overclocked. The 680 doesn't make sense as it is not any quicker then the 670.

I for one want to try nVidia for a turn as I've had a 4870x2 and now my two 5870s. I would like to go nVidia now, but with the smaller bus they seem to be limited when running multiple monitors, so I'm waiting around until next year until prices drop on the then GK110.

It seems like you don't like nVidia's strategy, I much rather have the second place card run really really close to the top end, than have a gulf of a performance difference like the 7950 to 7970. While that may seem stupid on nVidia's part, its really great for us. Besides, if someone has the $$ to spend on a higher end one, let them. It's always an option. This reminds me of how close the Geforce 6800 GT performed to the Geforce 6800 Ultra and had a huge $100 difference..funny how history repeats itself :_)

If the Radeon 7950 ran as close to the 7970 as the GTX670 runs to the GTX680, I would have upgraded my Graphics card months ago. AMD really shouldn't have cut BOTH the cards ROPs AND the clockspeed...In my opinion, the 7950 should have just been a downclocked 7970...and introduced what we have now as the 7950,as the 7930 later on.

true, and to be fair on the flipside I don't see how a gtx 680 commands a 100+ dollar premium over the 670...just isn't worth it, considering again to be fair in some games and especially when clocked to ghz plus a 7970 is right there or beats a 680 so...again clock for clock especially if you could take out the boost clock the 680's have now that the 7970 has gone to relatively reasonable price levels the 680 is pretty out of whack for what you actually get, I only mentioned the 7950 due to this article obviously plus I think it's laughable till recently and even still you can find plenty of 7950's OVER 400$...I pity anyone who buys one of those at this point for that much.

exactly...so how can a 7970 ever go for more than 400'ish as the 470 does is beyond me, and the 7950 has no prayer at the 670 without seeing latest drivers and whatever clocks they release the new 7950 at I'd still bet on the fact the 670 at bone stock will laugh at it in a majority of the games out there if not almost every one. SO...that means the new 7950 is overpriced if it goes over 350 far as I'm concerned, and really should be more around the 320 mark realistically.

From http://techreport.com/articles.x/23150
Note that
1. XFX 7950 Black is keeping up with Zotac GTX 670 AMP.
2. XFX 7950 Black has lower power consumption than Zotac GTX 670 AMP i.e. 7950 has less CUs with the same ROP count as 7970.

XFX 7950 Black is factory clocked @900Mhz.

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These tests are done with really high resolution where the 79xx's do better. This could be because of more memory, and because of more powerful hardware that just hasn't been driver optimized yet. I like to think that they are faster mysellf, and is why I got a 7970. But still nvidea is faster in resolutions most people play at.

Exactly... don't know why your noting it because that is what the link says...

These tests are done with really high resolution where the 79xx's do better. This could be because of more memory, and because of more powerful hardware that just hasn't been driver optimized yet. I like to think that they are faster mysellf, and is why I got a 7970. But still nvidea is faster in resolutions most people play at.

1. XFX 7950 Black is keeping up with Zotac GTX 670 AMP.
2. XFX 7950 Black has lower power consumption than Zotac GTX 670 AMP i.e. 7950 has less CUs with the same ROP count as 7970.

XFX 7950 Black is factory clocked @900Mhz.[/QUOTE]

that's the definition of cherry picking your benchmarks...dirt is a game amd dominates at, and I currently am looking to get a 7970 for at the right price it's a great option but the 7950 even according to all of the wiz's reviews rarely kept anything near to close to 670's at any speed nevermind the amp and that goes for most every review site I checked...I"d love to believe I could get a 670/680/7970'ish performing product when I oc it for 300 bucks but unless some driver magic happens or tpu/hardwarecanucks/TT/everyotherreviewer I went to hates 7950's and was "hatin" on them in a massive conspiracy it simply isn't nearly as fast as a gtx 670 in most anything even in high resolutions and AA where it does catch up it only comes somewhat closer not really matching or beating the 670 very often.

and I currently am looking to get a 7970 for at the right price it's a great option but the 7950 even according to all of the wiz's reviews rarely kept anything near to close to 670's at any speed nevermind the amp and that goes for most every review site I checked...

I"d love to believe I could get a 670/680/7970'ish performing product when I oc it for 300 bucks but unless some driver magic happens or tpu/hardwarecanucks/TT/everyotherreviewer I went to hates 7950's and was "hatin" on them in a massive conspiracy it simply isn't nearly as fast as a gtx 670 in most anything even in high resolutions and AA where it does catch up it only comes somewhat closer not really matching or beating the 670 very often.