I am starting my hunt for a newer boat. Sold my 27 foot Crownline two summers ago and have been regretting it ever since. So, I need some help. I am in Phoenix, AZ and looking for a 23 foot v-drive. I want something that is 2005 and newer. Has to be a v-drive with wrap around seating. Must be 100" wide at a minimum. It has to have a light color interior - whiter the better (phx sun is brutal). No dark color boats either, and no red. I can't believe how many boats for sale right now are red. So, price - $45000 or lower, preferably lower. I am willing to travel a 1000 mile radius for the right boat (last four boats I have bought in California). I am aware of boulder boats and all of the Phoenix boats. Also seen some in Utah that are interesting. If anyone sees anything interesting, please post up a link. Thanks for the help. I need this by February 2012.

You didn't say what you would be using the boat for mostly. That would make a difference as to which boat to steer you towards. If you are just Ski Skiing and wakeboarding that would be one type of boat. If you are wakesurfing mostly that would be another type of boat. Just a thought anyway.

You didn't say what you would be using the boat for mostly. That would make a difference as to which boat to steer you towards. If you are just Ski Skiing and wakeboarding that would be one type of boat. If you are wakesurfing mostly that would be another type of boat. Just a thought anyway.

That's a great point. I am into Sky Skiing and my wife is into wake boarding. I really want to try surfing this summer. I think I want a boat with a wedge, but have never been behind a boat with one to say for sure. Most of the boats I am looking at have a wake plate, only a few with the wedge. Honestly, I am not a pro at anything. I just like having fun on the water. I probably know more about what I don't want than what I want. Just looking for a good deal on a boat that fits in my garage that has the interior room I need and looks good while doing it all. How hard can that be to find?

Mastercraft X2.
ballast, zero off, I got it without the touch screen, just old fashioned gages, Attitude plate, fly high system, standard stereo(upgraded after the fact), dual batteries, tower, swivel clamp style board/surf racks, pretty much the baseline most basic X2 you can find. Pic below of the boat I bought.

wow, I think you got a really good deal. I doubt 60k for that boat is normal. I would guess that is around 80k in Seattle and maybe down to 70k at the end of the year. A similar equipped Tocmat 21 or TWB21 was probably mid 50's-60 during the season and probably around 50k at the end of the season.

I was just up to REBOATS UTAH. They have some SWEET MB boats that are in your price range (especially their demo 2012 boat). They are some of the nicest down to earth dealers I have ever met. 801-224-6333 www.reboatsutah.com

Thanks for all of the replies. I have been to all of the boat dealerships here in town (last three days). Nothing local that I think is worth it. I think I am going to try and head up to boulder boats in Nevada next week. I still have a few more months. Hopefully something will pop up soon. Again, thanks and keep them coming. Funny how I look and look and then someone posts something I have never seen.

Don't get caught up in the MSRP shown on the MB site. It's "suggested, retail price." I know there are MB dealers making great deals on both new 2012's, and used boats as well. And I do believe if you were to contact Reboats, Utah, you'd be glad you made the call. They are great to work with, and will gladly give you the straight scoop on what can be done, and for what price.

Wrong end of the country but I have the web site / brochure 2012 Tomcat F21 that was my demo this summer, loaded with WS tower speaks, underwater transome LED's, metal flake X and more at a deal real close, 85hrs, hit me up

Check marinemax in Tempe. I met the owner and his son at the Malibu dealer meeting this weekend. Both really good guys. I'm sure they can help you find a 23 in your area

I went to Marinemax this weekend. I asked them if they had what I was looking for (23 foot) and they guy said "we don't have any more boats here that are 23 foot - they all went to Australia for some reason". They had a 21 foot boat that was old. I didn't let the guy pull the cover off. I have had good and bad luck with them. They took 4 months to get me a quote on my out-drive - in the meantime my boat filled up with water (boat cover collected it all and shredded). Other times, they are the only one with parts in stock. This is over the last few years.

I have never been in an MB boat. I don't believe there are any dealers around where I live, the market is pretty much saturated with MC, CC and Malibu. Quite a few supra's showing up the last few years as well.

Some day I am going to head out to where one of you guys live and get a ride behind an MB. With as much positive feedback as there is on this board I feel like I really need to at least ride behind one.

I have never been in an MB boat. I don't believe there are any dealers around where I live, the market is pretty much saturated with MC, CC and Malibu. Quite a few supra's showing up the last few years as well.

Some day I am going to head out to where one of you guys live and get a ride behind an MB. With as much positive feedback as there is on this board I feel like I really need to at least ride behind one.

Looks like MB of Texas, in Ft. Worth, would be the closest dealer to your area. Probably some demo days early next season that might be in your area with an MB, so you could take a ride. Give the guys at MB a call, or shoot them off an email, and see what next year's season looks like.

I have never been in an MB boat. I don't believe there are any dealers around where I live, the market is pretty much saturated with MC, CC and Malibu. Quite a few supra's showing up the last few years as well.

Some day I am going to head out to where one of you guys live and get a ride behind an MB. With as much positive feedback as there is on this board I feel like I really need to at least ride behind one.

Anyone interested in a MB test is welcome to come to Orlando, we have nice water and weather most of the year. A few on here have taken me up on it. I am heading out to the MB factory to see what's cooking in an hour. I will be back in action after Thanksgiving, have a nice holiday everyone !

anyone interested in a mb test is welcome to come to orlando, we have nice water and weather most of the year. A few on here have taken me up on it. I am heading out to the mb factory to see what's cooking in an hour. I will be back in action after thanksgiving, have a nice holiday everyone !

Try MB Sport for your next purchase. MB boats throw world class wakes, are extremely big and roomy inside, and provide big three style and quality without the big three price. Reboats out of Utah would be glad to talk to you about your next boat purchase.

I have the plane tickets to go look at a few boats in Vegas, but then today I see there is a 2007 Malibu 23 LSV with decent hours a few blocks from me for $40K. Is this a good price? I did some quick searches on craigslist and boat trader. If it is in good shape and fits in my garage, I will probably buy it. Just looking for a price check.

I have the plane tickets to go look at a few boats in Vegas, but then today I see there is a 2007 Malibu 23 LSV with decent hours a few blocks from me for $40K. Is this a good price? I did some quick searches on craigslist and boat trader. If it is in good shape and fits in my garage, I will probably buy it. Just looking for a price check.

That is a smoking good deal unless there is something wrong. Does it have at least the 340hp motor, 4 tank ballast, wedge(power), diamond or wake hull?

http://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/boa/2673737547.html-Sick deal on a really nice boat. This would be my choice as long as the engine is in good working order. It is an expensive caddy aluminum block. My buddy had an x45 and I loved it as a big party cruiser that worked well for some wakeboarding and can be an excellent surf boat with a lot of weight.

Im in Phoenix, and was going put this up for $51k in Jan . It does not meet your criteria but i am local so im just throwing it out there.
2006 lsv, 400 hp, w/ every option. around the 200hr mark.
shoot me an email if you want ti check it out.
email: cccbuilders@msn.com

I am about to pass on the 2007 Malibu 23 LSV. I will post a link to it on Craigslist. My reason is my wife didn't feel warm and fuzzy about it. Now, before anyone says I am a jackass, let me tell you about the last time I bought something she didn't feel warm and fuzzy about. First, it was the brand new Honda Civic. It had 9 miles on it and I have never had a car in the shop more than that one. Biggest lemon I have ever had. There have been other times as well, but the last one was just 6 months ago. Droid X phone - had it replaced twice, kept on shutting down on it's own, kept on telling me I didn't have enough memory even though I had 8 extra gig's. So, I have learned that I get the final buy off from her before making large purchases. She is just lucky that way, like a rabbits foot or something.

Now, the boat - very good condition. It had just under 130 hours on the motor, 4 ballast tanks, hull had a few minor, minor scratches (looked like the carpet might need to be replaced on the bunks. Started right up and ran great. Checked the oil and it looked great. There was one minor 1/2 inch scratch on the rear seat, right next to the lower ski tow. Looked like it was repaired a little, but could be a little better. Other than that, it looked really good. As soon as I press post on here, I am going to send the guy a note saying I am passing. Hope this helps someone. Here is the link

I am about to pass on the 2007 Malibu 23 LSV. I will post a link to it on Craigslist. My reason is my wife didn't feel warm and fuzzy about it. Now, before anyone says I am a jackass, let me tell you about the last time I bought something she didn't feel warm and fuzzy about. First, it was the brand new Honda Civic. It had 9 miles on it and I have never had a car in the shop more than that one. Biggest lemon I have ever had. There have been other times as well, but the last one was just 6 months ago. Droid X phone - had it replaced twice, kept on shutting down on it's own, kept on telling me I didn't have enough memory even though I had 8 extra gig's. So, I have learned that I get the final buy off from her before making large purchases. She is just lucky that way, like a rabbits foot or something.

Now, the boat - very good condition. It had just under 130 hours on the motor, 4 ballast tanks, hull had a few minor, minor scratches (looked like the carpet might need to be replaced on the bunks. Started right up and ran great. Checked the oil and it looked great. There was one minor 1/2 inch scratch on the rear seat, right next to the lower ski tow. Looked like it was repaired a little, but could be a little better. Other than that, it looked really good. As soon as I press post on here, I am going to send the guy a note saying I am passing. Hope this helps someone. Here is the link

Cole, too bad that LSV is dead sexy. I would probably design one exactly like it as far as colors go. It has the wake hull, power wedge and 4 tank ballast. Those are the 3 main options. While the 340hp isn't really overpower it will be perfect for everything unless you decide to throw 4000 pounds in it. Even though I can't see them itsounds like the imperfections are pretty minor and things that are almost impossible to avoid.

Cole, it sounds like you and yoru wife are insanely anal and picky. I don't mean any offense by that by the way. You just sounds like someone who must take excellent care of their stuff and not willing to buy something that isn't really well cared for. It is goin gto be hard to find the size boats you are talking about, in the colors you want, in that kind of shape and at the price you want. You may be better off bumping your price range up a little and buying new. From your posts it jsut seems like you are going to be really unhappy with a used boat that has some imperfections. One thing I would adjust is your thinking that you just need something that is 23'. There are some manufacturers that make 21' boats(MB TWB or 21 tomcat, Calabria Pro V) that are the size of some others 23' boats. If you were to expand your price range to 50-60k I think you could open yourself up to any of the MB's, Axis A22, Moomba XLV, Sanger V237, Epic 23, maybe a Malibu Ride 23 and maybe a couple others. I just say that because then you can probably order the exact boat you want and it will be brand new. Even though I haven't done it for myself I have helped some people buy Mastercrafts and gone through the process of picking the model, picking colors, options, etc.. and then seeing it brand new. If you went this way you could probably go visit the factory and see yours or others built and speek to those directly involved.

Although I like the wedge I am not sure that would be at the top of my priority list. If it is the only boats you can look at are Malibu's and Axis'. A lot of these boats use different ballast systems in different weight amounts so some need extra weight, wedge and some don't.

The other advantage of buying a new boat is you may save yourself a lot of travel expenses. It sounds like you are spending a lot on traveling looking at boats. You might increase your budget to get new and not spend much more then you would for the perfect used boat with all the travel expenses. Just a thought.

Cole, it sounds like you and yoru wife are insanely anal and picky. I don't mean any offense by that by the way. You just sounds like someone who must take excellent care of their stuff and not willing to buy something that isn't really well cared for. It is goin gto be hard to find the size boats you are talking about, in the colors you want, in that kind of shape and at the price you want. You may be better off bumping your price range up a little and buying new. From your posts it jsut seems like you are going to be really unhappy with a used boat that has some imperfections. One thing I would adjust is your thinking that you just need something that is 23'. There are some manufacturers that make 21' boats(MB TWB or 21 tomcat, Calabria Pro V) that are the size of some others 23' boats. If you were to expand your price range to 50-60k I think you could open yourself up to any of the MB's, Axis A22, Moomba XLV, Sanger V237, Epic 23, maybe a Malibu Ride 23 and maybe a couple others. I just say that because then you can probably order the exact boat you want and it will be brand new. Even though I haven't done it for myself I have helped some people buy Mastercrafts and gone through the process of picking the model, picking colors, options, etc.. and then seeing it brand new. If you went this way you could probably go visit the factory and see yours or others built and speek to those directly involved.

Although I like the wedge I am not sure that would be at the top of my priority list. If it is the only boats you can look at are Malibu's and Axis'. A lot of these boats use different ballast systems in different weight amounts so some need extra weight, wedge and some don't.

The other advantage of buying a new boat is you may save yourself a lot of travel expenses. It sounds like you are spending a lot on traveling looking at boats. You might increase your budget to get new and not spend much more then you would for the perfect used boat with all the travel expenses. Just a thought.

Brett, I appreciate your advice. I am picky, but not overly picky. I am looking to buy a boat that is within 7 years old and finance it. This will be my 5th boat in 13 years. The boats I looked at yesterday was in need of the whole interior. Others may make the decision to buy it cheap and then redo the interior - I have gone down that road before. I will not go down that road again. The one main boat I was going to look at (http://www.boulderboats.com/new_vehi...25&pov=2220348 ), I started counting pieces that had the stitching that was coming apart or was about to start coming apart. I got up to 7 pieces, came to the dash and it too had cut marks about 1/2 inch in size. Seats are one thing, the dash is another. Seriously, how does someone get cuts in the dash? Fight club on the boat? The boat had a closed cooling system which would be a plus. I could see water in the bilge from the front ski locker to the v-drive but couldn't get in to the ski locker to see what the deal was. The hatch wouldn't come off. That leads me to the rear hatches covering the engine/storage lockers. The first thing I noticed was they were not aligned. The engine hatch had a 2 inch gap on one side and no gap on the other. The drivers side hatch had a 1 inch gap all along the side and the passenger side had no gap. The boat is a 2005 with 560+ hours. I expect some stuff, but the dash and panel alignment and the work I would have to do were just too much.

They had this boat (http://www.boulderboats.com/new_vehi...79&pov=2435626 ) that I looked at. Red and 22 foot, not what I was looking for, but I was there. I don't know what someone was thinking, but the fiberglass near the drivers side walk through had huge scratches that went through the red and into the white fiberglass. The scratches were on both sides but mainly on the drivers side and are 2 feet long. Who does that? How does someone see that start and then change their ways?

The third boat was (http://www.boulderboats.com/pre_owne...R0&veh=2315985 ) and was in fairly good shape. The main problem with it was the tower has a crack at the weld on the top of the tower. You could try and weld it again, but it will forever stick out like a sore thumb. The only other thing I didn't like about it was it felt really cheap. I have owned a couple of Sangers (old flat bottom v-drives), but this boat just felt like a Bayliner inside the interior.

As to the other points, I don't think I will change my standards. I think a boat for the price range I am looking at should be well kept and not need a bunch of work for me to use it. I am not looking at the 10-15k range here, I am looking at 7 year old and newer boats in the 35-45K range. I also do not think I should pay more than I can afford and get a 2 foot shorter boat to boot. I may have to wait a couple more months and fly around looking at boats, but that is still cheaper than paying 10k more and not getting the size I want. I have been through this before and I know I will have to wait a little longer. I really did look at everything you mentioned before I got into this. I decided back that I would not compromise and I will get exactly what I want or I won't buy. It's winter and this is just how it goes. Always has, probably always will.

Brett, I appreciate your advice. I am picky, but not overly picky. I am looking to buy a boat that is within 7 years old and finance it. This will be my 5th boat in 13 years. The boats I looked at yesterday was in need of the whole interior. Others may make the decision to buy it cheap and then redo the interior - I have gone down that road before. I will not go down that road again. The one main boat I was going to look at (http://www.boulderboats.com/new_vehi...25&pov=2220348 ), I started counting pieces that had the stitching that was coming apart or was about to start coming apart. I got up to 7 pieces, came to the dash and it too had cut marks about 1/2 inch in size. Seats are one thing, the dash is another. Seriously, how does someone get cuts in the dash? Fight club on the boat? The boat had a closed cooling system which would be a plus. I could see water in the bilge from the front ski locker to the v-drive but couldn't get in to the ski locker to see what the deal was. The hatch wouldn't come off. That leads me to the rear hatches covering the engine/storage lockers. The first thing I noticed was they were not aligned. The engine hatch had a 2 inch gap on one side and no gap on the other. The drivers side hatch had a 1 inch gap all along the side and the passenger side had no gap. The boat is a 2005 with 560+ hours. I expect some stuff, but the dash and panel alignment and the work I would have to do were just too much.

They had this boat (http://www.boulderboats.com/new_vehi...79&pov=2435626 ) that I looked at. Red and 22 foot, not what I was looking for, but I was there. I don't know what someone was thinking, but the fiberglass near the drivers side walk through had huge scratches that went through the red and into the white fiberglass. The scratches were on both sides but mainly on the drivers side and are 2 feet long. Who does that? How does someone see that start and then change their ways?

The third boat was (http://www.boulderboats.com/pre_owne...R0&veh=2315985 ) and was in fairly good shape. The main problem with it was the tower has a crack at the weld on the top of the tower. You could try and weld it again, but it will forever stick out like a sore thumb. The only other thing I didn't like about it was it felt really cheap. I have owned a couple of Sangers (old flat bottom v-drives), but this boat just felt like a Bayliner inside the interior.

As to the other points, I don't think I will change my standards. I think a boat for the price range I am looking at should be well kept and not need a bunch of work for me to use it. I am not looking at the 10-15k range here, I am looking at 7 year old and newer boats in the 35-45K range. I also do not think I should pay more than I can afford and get a 2 foot shorter boat to boot. I may have to wait a couple more months and fly around looking at boats, but that is still cheaper than paying 10k more and not getting the size I want. I have been through this before and I know I will have to wait a little longer. I really did look at everything you mentioned before I got into this. I decided back that I would not compromise and I will get exactly what I want or I won't buy. It's winter and this is just how it goes. Always has, probably always will.

Fair enough, I was just throwing out ideas. Sounds to me like your perfect boat would be a Malibu 23LSV or Vride 23. They are the only 23' boats that have the wedge.

I had not seen that v-ride or the yellow Malibu. The Malibu with the weird colors on the interior has had a bunch of repair work if I remember right. I think it was wreaked and then during the repair the newer tower was added. I can't remember if I saw that one on craigslist or onlyinboards. The last one has been on my radar. I was just in Monterey a couple of months ago. Wish I would have been looking back then, could have stopped by. I am not locked into the wedge, just thought it would be nice to have as an option.

Showed the wife the yellow Malibu - might have to make a trip to my cousins (he lives in Havasu).

Brett, most of the links did not work, but I was able to look them up with the descriptions you gave. That 236 in North Carolina is sweet. I have sent the owner a message through the website. I am not into the seating in the sunsports - the idea is right but something about it doesn't work for me. I am currently going back through the list to see what else would work. Went and looked at a 2006 Correct Craft 220 and thought it was a good size as well. The boat was decent and close to my house at the Tige dealership. I think it was either left outside a lot or used in salt water though. Their was a lot of surface rust on the pop up cleats and some on the swing away board racks. The cleats were really bad with it. The prop had green spotting on it as well but the rudder looked fine. They want 46K for it as well and I think that is a little much. The other boats at 22 feet are better priced and newer with no rust. Nice boat otherwise and it helped me and my wife start really considering 22 foot boats.

Also went to a different dealer and am going to go look at a 2012 MB 21 Tomcat. They said they could get it ordered for $50K. They had none on the lot and I would need to see one in person to see if it was big enough. That is 5K more than I wanted to spend, but my wallet armor may be cracking a little. They also had a 2011 B52 Wide Body on the lot. It was really nice and they said they could come down to the lower 50K's. It was nice, but I already was over what I originally wanted to pay and over the 50K's is not going in the right direction.

Last but certainly not least I am still talking with Jacob on the his Epic. I think we are getting closer on that as well. I am not ready to sign the paperwork quite yet, but it is definitely one of the highest boats on the list.

Now I need to get back to the list you posted. Thanks again for the help.

I think I have finally found the model boat I want. 2006 Nautique 220/230/236. I like the newer than 2006 as well, but the main factor I really like about the 2006 is the pods on both sides of the interior. I am still keeping an open mind, but these are really cool. I have found a few and am talking with a few people.

I had to pass on Jakes 2011 Epic today. There is no way it would fit in my garage. It is 90 inches with the tower folded and I will be using grease to get 86 inches to fit.

Each of those Nautiques are great boats. IMO the wake behind the 230/236 is a few notches better than the 220, but they are all still good. Check out the video of my girlfriend, friend and I....all the riding is behind a 230. I've been behind many many boats, both slammed and not slammed (XStar, X25, VLXs, LSVs, Axis's, Epics...the list goes on), and in my opinion the SAN 230 (236 is the same hull) tops them all (both wake and surf). Yes, I know that opinions on wake are very subjective, and mine is no different...I just think it's a perfect blend of rampy/vertical, and it gets BEEFY! You can see just how big it is at the 1:23 mark

Hopefully my last post doesn't come across as bashing those other boats wakes, as I definitely would be happy to ride and own all of them! Just was trying to give a good illustration of what I think of the 230 wake.

I owned 3 230s. They are nice boats. The surf wake is really nice. The wb wake, in my experience, is temperamental if you add anything over 1k in extra ballast. If you do want a big wake out of a 230, you end up having to ride at like 26+ mph at like 85+ft. Otherwise, the wake tends to wash with a lot of weight. I was not willing to do that.

I really enjoyed my 230s, and had very few problem with them. I own an axis a22 now, and while the interior of this boat is not nearly as blinded out, it cost me half the price and the wb wake at 23.2 mph at 70-85ft is huge and clean with up to 4k over factory ballast.

Yea, my friend and I ride a little faster than most prefer...26.5 mph, however, we are riding at 90ft with 5000 lbs of ballast. My girlfriend rides at about 23.7-24 mph at 70-75ft (depends on far she's bootin or if she's trying TS jumps) with 3750 lbs of ballast...no issues with wash...just took us a few sets in the beginning to find the configuration that works for her.

Ok, I am really starting to narrow down the options. Here is what I am looking at right now. I don't think this thread has ever looked like it was going down the boat bashing - thanks to everyone's help with that. Hopefully this list doesn't make it go down that road. I am looking for help narrowing down the best options. I will list everything I know about the 4 boats below.

2005 Malibu 23 LSV - No Illusion tower (wife doesn't like it anyway) - close to my house (within 150 miles and in the same state) - manual wedge - 150ish hours - cheap speakers on tower (not sure what make) - 340 Monsoon - Cousin looking at boat on Monday (I may go look at it on Tuesday) = Asking 45K

Still looking. I had high hopes for a 2005 Malibu in Havasu. Had my cousin go look at it today. He says there is a 2 foot scratch on the hull that is through the gel coat into the fiberglass. Also has the Malibu raised lettering coming off one side and the rear engine hatch needs to be replaced due to sun bleaching. Other than that he said it was clean. On the brighter side I didn't have to drive 6 hours round trip to find that out the hard way. At this rate I may be waiting until February and try and pick something up at the LA Boat show.

Well, I just got back from the middle of nowhere AZ. Went to look at a 2008 Tige 24Ve for 48K. Had low hours and upgraded trailer to say the least. I offered him 44K and he wouldn't budge so I came home empty handed. I am headed out to Sacramento to look at a 2006 Nautique 220 on the 10th. After looking at the 24Ve, I might be wasting a trip. Hopefully I can look at a couple other boats while I am out there. I think I am going to stick to my original goal of a 23+ foot boat. Also I have increased my budget to 50K max.

I am seriously considering the 2012 MB F21 Tomcat. Supposedly it has the same interior room as a 23 foot. I am supposed to go look at one next week (heard that for the last two weeks - sloppy local dealer), or I will go to the manufacture on the 10th when I am in California looking at boats.

I can't believe how much I have gone up on price and now looking at shorter boats on top of that. I think everyone on this site should put their boat up for sale this week so I can have a few more to choose from. That would help, and so would having a taller garage entry.

Anyone know if you can buy direct from MB, or do you have to go through the dealer? I would be able to pick it up from them and it would be nice if I didn't have to pay the dealer markup.

Anyone have or been in a 2012 F21 that can tell me if the size of the interior is truly the size of 23 foots? They are advertising the hell out of it that way and the local dealer is too.

I don't believe they'll sell directly because they don't want to affect the business of their dealers. You could probably work out picking the boat up yourself, however. Not sure if that's something I'd want to do if I were ordering a new boat, dealers usually have "dealer prep" they perform on the boat prior to handing it over to the customer. Dealer prep would (usually) include running the boat and making sure everything works, as well as getting it nice and pretty for you. If I were ordering a boat new I'd want the whole experience haha.

But, if you want an '05 Supra Launch 24SSV with 700+ hours you're welcome to mine for your ORIGINAL target price of $45k! What a deal! Pick up next week?

I have the 2012 MB 21WB which is nearly the same boat. Its an amazing boat for the price. I love the build quality, the wake, the ballast system, the drive, the storage, the styling and the comfort, Its not perfect but its pretty close and an amazing value. I am only not a fan of the rear hatch gullwing but I looked past it with all things considered. Feel free to send me a PM if you want to discuss.