This is Chris Dorner. If you're listening to this, you are the resistence. Listen carefully, if we attack tonight, our humanity is lost. Command wants us to fight like machines. They want us to make cold, calculated decisions. But we are not machines! And if we behave like them, then WHAT IS THE *POINT* IN WINNING? Command is going to ask you to attack Skynet. I am asking you not to. If even one bomb drops on Skynet before sunrise, our future will be lost. So please stand down. Give me time to protect the future that all of us are fighting for. This is Chris Dorner.

Yes folks thats the only thing they claim to have to go on here. And btw that facebook account was created only 2 weeks ago, with ZERO friends, and no comments. He posted over a total of SIX days. Who did he expect to see the manifesto? Nobody was reading his facebook account.

Is there a possibility that the Irvine murders might be a separate incident than the cop shootings? Is there a possibility that this guy did not start the facebook page? Until we have the answers to those two questions (such as what weapons used in both murders, maybe some surveillance video, perhaps chasing down an IP address of facebook editor, etc) I'm not buying this story.

Quoting: BunnyGirl

I got the feeling this guy was smart enough to create a presence for the media to grab hold of before starting his war.

What horrible pics would they have found elsewhere to splatter all over the news? He wanted to give the public a personality they could identify with and warm up to.

...I mean come on! Look at that smile! The guy has heart and looks like an honorable badass in service of his country.

Now take someone like that and fuck them in the ass like the LAPD did and you get what you have now. They ruined his life cause some stupid pig bitch had to kick a mentally retarded kid in the face after he was already restrained and this guy's conscious could not simply ignore that so he did something about it and they ruined him for it. Not just his job but his military career which was something he was very proud of.

These pigs are going to get what they deserve and they are the one's who caused this. NOT Dorner! they put him on this path that he now feel obligated to carry out. They took everything from him for nothing and what does a man do once he has nothing left to lose?

When there is no justice left what is one to do? ...well this guy is using his skills and training to do what he can.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8443185

Wrong. HE is responsible for what he did. Many people are pushed to the brink, for many different reasons. When no justice is left what is one to do?! Really?? One is to deal with it. Not go on a sociopathic rage filled murdering spree.

Quoting: Little Willow

When is enough enough? When is there a breaking point?

Cops get to go around shooting and beating whoever and whatever they want for little to no reason at all with little to no repercussions.

They took a good man and made him a monster.

Keep in mind he is a soldier he was trained to kill. He was sanctioned to murder for the government and has likely already done so in patriotic service and is familiar with death. That being the case death no longer has the same weight it does for you or I.

You act like these cops are good people. They are not and are responsible for the death and suffering of many unjustly.

He discovered a big serious corruption problems first hand in the police department and it disillusioned him and ruined his life. You think it is all about himself and revenge? If so you are wrong. This is about bullshit that has been allowed to perpetuate and grow within our so called "peace keepers" service. There are very few good cops now and they keep their mouths shut and cover for the bad ones or they would lose their jobs and be a "no" cop just like this fellow.

This is Chris Dorner. If you're listening to this, you are the resistence. Listen carefully, if we attack tonight, our humanity is lost. Command wants us to fight like machines. They want us to make cold, calculated decisions. But we are not machines! And if we behave like them, then WHAT IS THE *POINT* IN WINNING? Command is going to ask you to attack Skynet. I am asking you not to. If even one bomb drops on Skynet before sunrise, our future will be lost. So please stand down. Give me time to protect the future that all of us are fighting for. This is Chris Dorner.

This is Chris Dorner. If you're listening to this, you are the resistence. Listen carefully, if we attack tonight, our humanity is lost. Command wants us to fight like machines. They want us to make cold, calculated decisions. But we are not machines! And if we behave like them, then WHAT IS THE *POINT* IN WINNING? Command is going to ask you to attack Skynet. I am asking you not to. If even one bomb drops on Skynet before sunrise, our future will be lost. So please stand down. Give me time to protect the future that all of us are fighting for. This is Chris Dorner.

This is Chris Dorner. If you're listening to this, you are the resistence. Listen carefully, if we attack tonight, our humanity is lost. Command wants us to fight like machines. They want us to make cold, calculated decisions. But we are not machines! And if we behave like them, then WHAT IS THE *POINT* IN WINNING? Command is going to ask you to attack Skynet. I am asking you not to. If even one bomb drops on Skynet before sunrise, our future will be lost. So please stand down. Give me time to protect the future that all of us are fighting for. This is Chris Dorner.

Dormer seemed to come to the defense of anyone he witnessed suffering an injustice or being bullied. From what I've read of him he would not tolerate the corruption , injustice and cruelty he witnessed. He's now fighting fire with fire. I guess he saw no other options available to him. I for one applaud him. For every person whose defense and assistance he came to .His actions just may be the catalyst needed to bring about the changes need no matter how unpalatable they may seem to some. What he was looking at was just as unpalatable.

Based upon that Manifesto we should be asking why Dorner was said to be lying on his supervising officer Sgt Teresa Evans when legal documents show that the victim, Christopher Gettler and his father gave similar accounts as Dorner? Was it true that there were conflicts of interests during his BOR (Board of Rights) Hearings in terms of the Sgt Evans being close friends and former partners to BOR members who voted to terminate Dorner? Was it true Sgt Evans has a history of violence? Did she really brutalize an elderly woman as pointed out in the manifesto? Why would we not check out this information?

Answering such questions is not to somehow vindicate or give Dorner a pass for any wrong doings especially if he murdered several people. Its to make sure folks who receive our hard-earned tax dollars are conducting themselves in a fair, just and uncorrupted way.

Was it true that academy recruits were singing Nazi songs to a fellow recruit Abraham Schefres and Dorner stood up for him? Are these recruits now officers working the streets of LA? If so how is that? why is that? Should we not check this out?

For many of us, hearing that these two men are officers is beyond disturbing especially when you consider the tens of millions LAPD has had to shell out in police brutality settlements that were rooted in racially charged incidents, one would think there would be zero tolerance to this..This story should be checked out.. Questions should be answered about how they feel and how they behave..

Police man’s Bill Of Rights

Now before folks start drawing conclusions, you should know something about California law and why these incidents are important. Police officers in California have what is known as the Police Man’s bill of Rights. many of us who worked on or followed the Oscar Grant case found out the hard way how this law totally insulates police officers. The public has no access to their files even during a trial.. Yes you read the right. The public access to these personnel files so we have no idea what sort of checkered past an officer has.

Killing innocent people cannot be justified. Period.How is that justice???

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5915501

Whose deciding whose guilty and whose innocent?

Who decided the on the innocence or guilt of the women shot delivering newspapers.? One of them was 71 years old.You can't have people in power running around with guns behaving corruptly operating with impunity. Which seems to be an ever growing problem. Dorner saw those in charge of keeping things in check refusing to step up to the plate and make sure people weren't being robbed of their rights and dignity so he did. If just one officer thinks twice before killing, beating someone or saying something like"rights, you have no rights" Dorner has accomplished more than those whose job it is to ensure tose things are not happening.

This is Chris Dorner. If you're listening to this, you are the resistence. Listen carefully, if we attack tonight, our humanity is lost. Command wants us to fight like machines. They want us to make cold, calculated decisions. But we are not machines! And if we behave like them, then WHAT IS THE *POINT* IN WINNING? Command is going to ask you to attack Skynet. I am asking you not to. If even one bomb drops on Skynet before sunrise, our future will be lost. So please stand down. Give me time to protect the future that all of us are fighting for. This is Chris Dorner.

This is Chris Dorner. If you're listening to this, you are the resistence. Listen carefully, if we attack tonight, our humanity is lost. Command wants us to fight like machines. They want us to make cold, calculated decisions. But we are not machines! And if we behave like them, then WHAT IS THE *POINT* IN WINNING? Command is going to ask you to attack Skynet. I am asking you not to. If even one bomb drops on Skynet before sunrise, our future will be lost. So please stand down. Give me time to protect the future that all of us are fighting for. This is Chris Dorner.

I wonder how other people in California who have lost children feel about this huge manhunt?

Many people have their children murdered, often by worse people than this guy (he did not, for example, rape and torture his victims) yet, at best, they get what they often see as a half hearted homicide investigation and many murderers remain at large. How do these parents of murdered children feel about the police "looking after their own"- do they feel cheated in any way by the disparity in responses?

Officers often violate or dish out abuses to innocent family members of those they consider suspect. Whether or not the suspect is actually guilty of an offense. Dorner was well aware of that. As the LAPD itself stated "He knows what he's doing". They weren't just talking about training....