I think the quick fix for Frost PvE is to put the Frostbolt stacking debuff back in. This still doesn't solve the Frost scaling issue but would at least remove one of the specs from the bottom and make it raid viable with entry level gear.

I'm thinking the only reason they haven't done this is because Frost is already OP in PvP and this would make it worse.

I think the quick fix for Frost PvE is to put the Frostbolt stacking debuff back in. This still doesn't solve the Frost scaling issue but would at least remove one of the specs from the bottom and make it raid viable with entry level gear.

I'm thinking the only reason they haven't done this is because Frost is already OP in PvP and this would make it worse.

I get sit all the time. When you have a raid of relative equal skill, and you have a roster of 12, mages don't bring anything to the table besides sub par dps. Anyone else on the roster can out dps me single target and multitarget. While that doesn't really matter for normals, It will definitely matter on heroics next week. Couple this with the fact that every hybrid can do more damage than me while also bringing healing cool downs to the raid, there will be no reason for me to be part of the raid. In addition, any non-fire specced mage does terrible damage on high movement fights. You can blame it on me being frost, but I do better damage as frost than most people do with good RNG as fire.

For everyone saying, mages should stop QQ'ing cause they were overpowered last tier, that is a pretty invalid argument.

We bring 0 raid damage mitigation cooldowns.
We bring 0 raid healing cooldowns.
Our buffs can be given by other classes who preform well.
Our single target is middle pack at best.
Our aoe (outside of frozen orb) is lack luster at best.
Our movement damage is terrible in a day where every other class can move and dps with little to no penalty.

For everyone else saying mage damage is fine because I topped charts in my guild... either everyone else in your raid is not playing with the same skill level as you, or you were lucky top 20 of fire mages that had amazingly good rng.