Rain Partier

chap22 wrote:i still say that JRJr was much, MUCH better in the 80s in his first runs on Spidey, Iron Man, and X-Men than he has been since. the more he has "developed" his style over the years the worse it looks.

In my humble opinion, his artwork was some of the best of the 80s. I still like it, however, he has let it become so stylized that I can understand why it's lost its mass appeal.

Rain Partier

chap22 wrote:i still say that JRJr was much, MUCH better in the 80s in his first runs on Spidey, Iron Man, and X-Men than he has been since. the more he has "developed" his style over the years the worse it looks.

In my humble opinion, his artwork was some of the best of the 80s. I still like it, however, he has let it become so stylized that I can understand why it's lost its mass appeal.

Son of Stein

Keb wrote:I think a lot of it has to do with Klaus Janson. Respect to the man for his work with Frank Miller and shit but I find the line work when inked is a lot more blocky and people look more square than anything. I also don't think Dean White's coloring meshes very well with his art either. Something about the combo of JRJR & Janson + White doesn't sit right with me.

Also, I'm starting to lean more towards Sakie's theory that this shit is happening all in Cap's head. Or it could be that time is out of joint. 11 years passed and Ian doesn't look like he's aged much but Jet Black is a teenage girl now. Shit is weird.

1) I say Klaus is what is saving the artwork more than anything2) If it's all happening in Cap's head, why do we see events happen away from Cap (like the Zola & clack haired sister scenes). 3) I'm pretty sure I didn't order #5 (at least I hope I didn't because this story is beginning to match JRJR's art in quality (which is awful)).

Son of Stein

Keb wrote:I think a lot of it has to do with Klaus Janson. Respect to the man for his work with Frank Miller and shit but I find the line work when inked is a lot more blocky and people look more square than anything. I also don't think Dean White's coloring meshes very well with his art either. Something about the combo of JRJR & Janson + White doesn't sit right with me.

Also, I'm starting to lean more towards Sakie's theory that this shit is happening all in Cap's head. Or it could be that time is out of joint. 11 years passed and Ian doesn't look like he's aged much but Jet Black is a teenage girl now. Shit is weird.

1) I say Klaus is what is saving the artwork more than anything2) If it's all happening in Cap's head, why do we see events happen away from Cap (like the Zola & clack haired sister scenes). 3) I'm pretty sure I didn't order #5 (at least I hope I didn't because this story is beginning to match JRJR's art in quality (which is awful)).

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Zola has the ability to manipulate his surroundings. If you've read the Kirby Cap run, Zola at one point manipulates the castle with mind control. He could be manipulating both Dimension Z and Cap's memories. Remember, he's in Cap's head/body.

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Zola has the ability to manipulate his surroundings. If you've read the Kirby Cap run, Zola at one point manipulates the castle with mind control. He could be manipulating both Dimension Z and Cap's memories. Remember, he's in Cap's head/body.

Son of Stein

Keb wrote:Zola has the ability to manipulate his surroundings. If you've read the Kirby Cap run, Zola at one point manipulates the castle with mind control. He could be manipulating both Dimension Z and Cap's memories. Remember, he's in Cap's head/body.

Zola's surprise that Cap is still alive kind of negates this I'd think.

Son of Stein

Keb wrote:Zola has the ability to manipulate his surroundings. If you've read the Kirby Cap run, Zola at one point manipulates the castle with mind control. He could be manipulating both Dimension Z and Cap's memories. Remember, he's in Cap's head/body.

Zola's surprise that Cap is still alive kind of negates this I'd think.

OMCTO

Keb wrote:I think a lot of it has to do with Klaus Janson. Respect to the man for his work with Frank Miller and shit but I find the line work when inked is a lot more blocky and people look more square than anything. I also don't think Dean White's coloring meshes very well with his art either. Something about the combo of JRJR & Janson + White doesn't sit right with me.

Also, I'm starting to lean more towards Sakie's theory that this shit is happening all in Cap's head. Or it could be that time is out of joint. 11 years passed and Ian doesn't look like he's aged much but Jet Black is a teenage girl now. Shit is weird.

Janson, in the past, has done an incredible job on JRJR's art. But not lately. Their last good collaboration was New Ways to Die.

JRJR is a strong storyteller, who can create some dynamic poses and equally dynamic sequences. But he has always needed a great inker to clean up his pencils. Tom Palmer, for example, has done a phenomenal job on JRJR's Kick-Ass work.

I wish that Palmer, possibly the best inker of all time, would work exclusively with JRJR.

OMCTO

Keb wrote:I think a lot of it has to do with Klaus Janson. Respect to the man for his work with Frank Miller and shit but I find the line work when inked is a lot more blocky and people look more square than anything. I also don't think Dean White's coloring meshes very well with his art either. Something about the combo of JRJR & Janson + White doesn't sit right with me.

Also, I'm starting to lean more towards Sakie's theory that this shit is happening all in Cap's head. Or it could be that time is out of joint. 11 years passed and Ian doesn't look like he's aged much but Jet Black is a teenage girl now. Shit is weird.

Janson, in the past, has done an incredible job on JRJR's art. But not lately. Their last good collaboration was New Ways to Die.

JRJR is a strong storyteller, who can create some dynamic poses and equally dynamic sequences. But he has always needed a great inker to clean up his pencils. Tom Palmer, for example, has done a phenomenal job on JRJR's Kick-Ass work.

I wish that Palmer, possibly the best inker of all time, would work exclusively with JRJR.

OMCTO

chap22 wrote:i still say that JRJr was much, MUCH better in the 80s in his first runs on Spidey, Iron Man, and X-Men than he has been since. the more he has "developed" his style over the years the worse it looks.

OMCTO

chap22 wrote:i still say that JRJr was much, MUCH better in the 80s in his first runs on Spidey, Iron Man, and X-Men than he has been since. the more he has "developed" his style over the years the worse it looks.

Son of Stein

Eli Katz wrote:I wish that Palmer, possibly the best inker of all time, would work exclusively with JRJR.

Thanks for the "possibly". Because we all know the likes of Joe Sinnot, Dan Adkins, Wally Wood, Jerry Ordway, Murphy Anderson, Dan Green & Dick Ayers would have something to say about this if you didn't.

Son of Stein

Eli Katz wrote:I wish that Palmer, possibly the best inker of all time, would work exclusively with JRJR.

Thanks for the "possibly". Because we all know the likes of Joe Sinnot, Dan Adkins, Wally Wood, Jerry Ordway, Murphy Anderson, Dan Green & Dick Ayers would have something to say about this if you didn't.