They're assured of a top 6 pick, so you gotta name 5 guys.2. MKG. The perfect complement to Kyrie.3. Beal. 4. Barnes. He has his faults, but I think he can mesh very well with Kyrie. With the right coach and system he can be a superstar5. Robinson. I don't think TT is a factor. 6. The odds are low that they'd pick here, and thank god for that, cuz there's no one I really like. I guess I'd go with the highest upside, ie Drummond. But I'd hate myself.

e0y2e3 wrote:You are out of your effing mind if you prefer "can't dribble, can't create" Barnes to Beal.

Devil's advocate: Many of Barnes' flaws only revealed themselves in his 2nd year. I seem to recall you being all over him at some point. Beal only had 1 year and was never the focal point of the UF offense (Walker and Boynton dominated the ball). Thus, if he stuck around for his soph year and became a bigger part of the team you may have felt the same way about him as you do now about Barnes. Additionally, with the injuries to Henson and Marshall, Barnes was suddenly thrust in to roles he should not have been, which illuminated his faults even more.

Again, that was devil's advocate talking, not me. I would rather have Beal than Barnes, as I mentioned above.

So he would not be a top 6 choice of yours? In the right system, with the right supporting cast, he can be extremely effective IMO. The injury to Henson forced him to try and play bigger, and the injury to Marshall forced him to try and be more of a facilitator. Neither of those helped his stock. Yes he can't create his own shot. Yes he does not have a first step right now. But he can still be a great catch and shoot guy off Kyrie drives, he can shoot over anyone, he potentially can be a lockdown defender - there's still a lot to like.

To me there's a drop off after #4. Barring bad luck, Cavs are gonna get a REAL nice playa.

1. Davis - Nothing needs said.2. Kidd-Gilchrist - LOCK superstar as long as the perimeter game develops, #1 pick material in some other years (including last year). Thought of him and Kyrie as our backcourt for the next 6 years is dreamy.3. Robinson - Developed physically this year, plays hard and smart, gonna be a helluva NBA PF IMO. Think people are underestimating his pro prospects the same way they did a little with Blake Griffin.4. Beal - Even more upside than MKG ... but three inches shorter. Smart, gifted, works hard ... I think he'll be even better than Eric Gordon, who everyone compares him too.

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swerb wrote:To me there's a drop off after #4. Barring bad luck, Cavs are gonna get a REAL nice playa.

1. Davis - Nothing needs said.2. Kidd-Gilchrist - LOCK superstar as long as the perimeter game develops, #1 pick material in some other years (including last year). Thought of him and Kyrie as our backcourt for the next 6 years is dreamy.3. Robinson - Developed physically this year, plays hard and smart, gonna be a helluva NBA PF IMO. Think people are underestimating his pro prospects the same way they did a little with Blake Griffin.4. Beal - Even more upside than MKG ... but three inches shorter. Smart, gifted, works hard ... I think he'll be even better than Eric Gordon, who everyone compares him too.

I can only dream, but wouldn't THIS be the year to have picks 1 and 4!!! And last year just have #1.

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From a defense and shooting standpoint do you really want the next Blake Griffin?

I don't know how to say it w/o the word overrated in the sentence. I mean I'd take it when you have Kyrie here to get your guy his dunks, to run the floor with him and the dude's a freak athlete with desire and a guy who rebounds.

But am I the only one who watches him and thinks he's faaaaar from a complete or great player?

peeker643 wrote:From a defense and shooting standpoint do you really want the next Blake Griffin?

I don't know how to say it w/o the word overrated in the sentence. I mean I'd take it when you have Kyrie here to get your guy his dunks, to run the floor with him and the dude's a freak athlete with desire and a guy who rebounds.

But am I the only one who watches him and thinks he's faaaaar from a complete or great player?

Exciting? Yep.Valuable? SureElite? Not in my mind.

I wish I could offer an intelligent response, buta) I am not intelligent, and b) I pretty much watch only the Cavs and some playoff games. All I see are Griffins highlight reel dunks and struts on ESPN

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This is a three player draft in my eyes, Davis, MKG and Beal. After that you pick your poison between Barnes and Robinson. After pick five in this draft I have trouble differentiating the 6th best player from the 26th. Drummond's lazy ass fits in there somewhere between Robinson and 7, but fuck me if they draft him.

And I don't care what Barnes was asked to do, his game this year was the exact same as it was last year, zero ability to create anything on offense, playing bigger or smaller or fucking inbetween. He's not an elite prospect because of that, period. He's second tier. He has never once in his college career shown the all around game Beal has.

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Blake Griffin is a shitty basketball player and a complete and utter embarrassment to the game. The fact that CP3 is one of my two or three favorite players and I HATE the Clippers with a passion says a lot. The team is fucking terrible.

e0y2e3 wrote:Blake Griffin is a shitty basketball player and a complete and utter embarrassment to the game. The fact that CP3 is one of my two or three favorite players and I HATE the Clippers with a passion says a lot. The team is fucking terrible.

See, I don't know if I think he's overrated because he is such a douchebag and a guy who's head has gotten WAY too big too fast or because he just doesn't have a floor game.

I do think he uses hi athleticism well at the rim and to block shots/rebound but he just strikes me as a guy who'd rather make a play people talk about than one that isn't noticed but leads to a win.

No, you are dead on. He doesn't hustle back on D, he doesn't even try to improve his shot (he became a worse FT shooter this year), everytime he is mic'd up all he talks about is oops, the fuckhead lives for Sportscenter and on top of it he plays the game like a complete and utter prick when he has no right to and officials let him get away with it, for no reason.

Combine that with asshates like Nick Young, Mo, Chauncey, DeAndre and that is just a terrible collection of basketball players. Then you get Kenyon Martin and Reggie Evans off the bench... BLECH

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I think it's Top 4 or bust and even then I think Robinson is a drop off from #3.

Don't think this draft is as good as people say. Could be some sleepers in the 20's though. Specially after people get off some of the "names" in the teens.

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Regarding TT, its not like none of the guys drafted around him that were available to us have made an impact in the league. I mean, even most of us were nuts on Kanter, and the guy averaged less than 5ppg.Of course most of us wanted Valley, but we won't know how that will turn out yet. Still pissed we didn't draft him. I will sleep better if he's a bust in the league.

Last year had to be one of the weakest drafts ever, and we get #1 and #4 in THAT draft.

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Yeah, I couldn't disagree more. Historically guys that don't get it (Darius Mile Jones III) never "get it" in the NBA, there are thousands of examples. Whereas Barnes could be the third or fourth best players on a legit playoff team, as he is a dead eye shot and does play good D.

If you are going to take a questionable character guy, they better at least have shown Cousins or Z-Bo ability and fire, not laziness and disconnect from the game itself.

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Yep, if the Cavs don't land 1 of the 3 sure fire guys this year they're going to have to go the route of the Pistons if they ever want to make a run for the ring again. B/C regardless of who they get that player will be good enough (along with a minor roster improvement) to vault them out of the lottery and into NBA purgatory as an 8th or 7th seed. As Lead has said so many times, the Cavs are not landing the big time FA type to give us the one two punch of elite talent you need to win in this league.

I mean not until LeBron comes back.

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Ha. I say this on almost a daily basis. I have League Pass and a friend comes over for every Clippers game, so deep is his love for BG. Its given me the displeasure of watching at least 100 Griffin games to date. 5 times a game he blows 2 points by attempting to dunk when he shouldn't have. Not necessarily missed dunks that show up on highlight reels, but there's times where he jumps from 12 feet thinking he can dunk and ends up having to do the wrong thing. He literally tries to dunk anything and everything. It pisses me off to no end.

Ha. I say this on almost a daily basis. I have League Pass and a friend comes over for every Clippers game, so deep is his love for BG. Its given me the displeasure of watching at least 100 Griffin games to date. 5 times a game he blows 2 points by attempting to dunk when he shouldn't have. Not necessarily missed dunks that show up on highlight reels, but there's times where he jumps from 12 feet thinking he can dunk and ends up having to do the wrong thing. He literally tries to dunk anything and everything. It pisses me off to no end.

I came into this year thinking the Clippers would grow up and be awesome to watch. Instead it got to a point where I would have rather rinsed my eyes with acid then watched that bunch of morons run around the court (and I say this with CP3 as again one of my three, if not favorite players in the league, which really says something).

e0y2e3 wrote:Any team starting the backcourt and wings the Jazz are should be picking in the top five, not in the playoffs.

Pfft. Devin Harris was an All Star. No one in their front court has been. Clearly he's the driving force behind the team.

On a serious note, Hayward has improved on practically a game-to-game basis throughout the season and should be a long term piece in Utah. Every single other guard and wing is almost below replacement level. Nothing I've seen from Burks yet makes me think he's not the next CJ Miles, a guy Utah also had high hopes for and never upped his game.

For what its worth, I just spoke to someone who lives in Gainesville, is a huge Gator basketball fan and really knows the game of basketball. I asked him what he thought of Beal. He said he didn't think he was ready for the pros and should have stayed in college. I said, "he's projected as a top 5 pick!!!" He answered, "you asked me what I thought of him." He was underwhelmed.

Personally, I haven't had much of a chance to watch the Gators this past year.

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