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Exactly. If they're not any more competent than before, why change them up so much? True, it definitely got boring seeing them lose like idiots, but at least they were funny before. Now they lose like idiots, and they're too serious. smh...

Yeah and they don't have to be flat to be competent. AG Team Rocket kinda proved that. DP tried but they failed. (except for the Galactic eps)

The only changed I'd make to that was that they were a little more into their work instead of just saying 'it's for the boss!11"

And they completed random assignments such as collecting data and they captured Meloetta, for what it's worth.

So I can see where people are getting the idea that they've gotten competent. Oh, and they've proven to be quite clever when they made up that whole plan with Meowth acting all nice with Ash and co. so they could steal their Pokémon.

Originally Posted by phanpycross

I feel like this fandom idolizes Ash way too much. It was bad before, but with XY and S&M it feels like it has reached a whole new level. It's like every person that doesnt outright dislike him is obviously obsessed with with him, and every person who does him wrong is evil incarnate.

Living through other people is unhealthy; living through fictional 10-year olds that are stuck in a timeloop is super unhealthy.

And they completed random assignments such as collecting data and they captured Meloetta, for what it's worth.

So I can see where people are getting the idea that they've gotten competent. Oh, and they've proven to be quite clever when they made up that whole plan with Meowth acting all nice with Ash and co. so they could steal their Pokémon.

Oh yeah, that episode was confusing at first and then as it progressed, it became my favorite. That was them at their cleverest.

And they completed random assignments such as collecting data and they captured Meloetta, for what it's worth.

So I can see where people are getting the idea that they've gotten competent. Oh, and they've proven to be quite clever when they made up that whole plan with Meowth acting all nice with Ash and co. so they could steal their Pokémon.

They have their moments, sure, but since BW2 I've only seen a few instances of competency. XD.

Originally Posted by Gothitelle K

Oh yeah, that episode was confusing at first and then as it progressed, it became my favorite. That was them at their cleverest.

Yeah. I actually found that very clever and well-written. A great episode for the BW TRio.

Originally Posted by pokemonsquared

But they haven't gotten any closer to capturing pikachu now in serious mode as they did in silly mode. I can't take failures who can't do anything right as an actual threat.

They have their moments, sure, but since BW2 I've only seen a few instances of competency.

Don't you mean BW2N? Because the only other thing in BW2 they've done is the whole Meloetta ordeal, where they were nothing but competent, even to the point of saving Unova.

If they're not any more competent than before, why change them up so much? True, it definitely got boring seeing them lose like idiots, but at least they were funny before and incompetent, so it made sense. Now they lose like idiots, and they're too serious, yet still as incompetent as ever.

1. "At least they were funny" is VERY subjective, as many believe they stopped being funny looooong ago.

2. Losing does not equate to incompetence. It's how they do things BEFORE they lose that shows competence, and BW TR does things MUCH better than past TR did.

Originally Posted by Gothitelle K

Yeah and they don't have to be flat to be competent. AG Team Rocket kinda proved that.

How so? They were flat AND incompetent in AG, and even moreso in DP.

Originally Posted by Janovy

Meh, jetpacks were just a fancy way of losing most of the time. It doesn't really change the outcome.

No, it didn't change the outcome, but at least the TRio kept their dignity in tact by willingly retreating rather than getting blown up and away.

It's still very off-putting and disappointing that the end result is not the same as their actions are prior to said result. It makes me feel like we've gained nothing.

They've at least had victories when Ash wasn't involved, and even some small ones when they were (stealing fossil ressurection machine data, Chargestone rocks, etc.)

And Team Aqua/Magma, Galactic, and now Plasma also next to always lose, yet they're still considered competent. Team Rocket being incompetent for years prior to BW shouldn't mean they're not competent in BW just because they still lose. There's no avoiding losing for any evil team; it's how they fight before losing that makes the difference.

They've at least had victories when Ash wasn't involved, and even some small ones when they were (stealing fossil ressurection machine data, Chargestone rocks, etc.)

And Team Aqua/Magma, Galactic, and now Plasma also next to always lose, yet they're still considered competent. Team Rocket being incompetent for years prior to BW shouldn't mean they're not competent in BW just because they still lose. There's no avoiding losing for any evil team; it's how they fight before losing that makes the difference.

Then let's hope and pray this truly is their final saga.

Yeah, that's true. I don't think any of the teams are competent. XD.

Here's hoping, man. I think they've been used up for all its worth at this point. Sorry if I offended you.

I really think we have done everything with TRio that is remotely possible at this point. It's really time for a new set of villains to debut.

I didn't seem them as being flat. Yeah, I liked how they were more flamboyant in DP but in AG, I think it's just me but it seemed more like they care more about doing things for the boss then than they were in DP. I mean, DP trio was great to me and all but it seemed like they were just.... there. Yeah they tried to capture pikachu a couple of times but still.

Plus, their AG selves still had some of those favorite quirks while still being a bit serious... and actually *attempting to battle*. (which was something I liked about BW. them actually battling)

I didn't seem them as being flat. Yeah, I liked how they were more flamboyant in DP but in AG, I think it's just me but it seemed more like they care more about doing things for the boss then than they were in DP. I mean, DP trio was great to me and all but it seemed like they were just.... there. Yeah they tried to capture pikachu a couple of times but still.

Plus, their AG selves still had some of those favorite quirks while still being a bit serious... and actually *attempting to battle*. (which was something I liked about BW. them actually battling)

AG TRio was beyond hilarious in Seasons 6 and 7. 8 and 9, not so much.