Silly French Man

Jubilee wrote:Hawkeye has lots of instances in his history where he was willing to kill people. From trying to kill Osborne to killing dozens of men in Age of Ultron #1. I don't understand where you get the idea of pacifist Hawkeye from as I haven't ever seen him portrayed that way in the comic.

Because those are two instances, created by Bendis, that literally have happened in the past couple of years vs. two and a half decades of character development.

Silly French Man

Jubilee wrote:Hawkeye has lots of instances in his history where he was willing to kill people. From trying to kill Osborne to killing dozens of men in Age of Ultron #1. I don't understand where you get the idea of pacifist Hawkeye from as I haven't ever seen him portrayed that way in the comic.

Because those are two instances, created by Bendis, that literally have happened in the past couple of years vs. two and a half decades of character development.

dINGO

Issue #3 begins with She-Hulk and Luke Cage talking. Luke gives her a pep talk on taking a punch and then knocks her out before carrying her off.

We find out that earlier the remaining heroes were discussing a plan involving bartering one of them to Ultron to attempt to gain some intel on what Ultron's intentions are. Apparently Ultron is accepting these type of trades because he was originally designed to have human needs and desires which means he craves revenge, likes to torture people, and hates everyone. So anyways, the heroes decide that out of all them, Luke Cage and She-Hulk (the green one) are the best candidates to accomplish this plan.

In Chicago, the Red Hulk who the Taskmaster has decided will from now on will be referred to as "Dave" assaults and demolishes a lone Ultron droid. Black Panther and Taskmaster stand by as "Dave" returns with the droid's head but is too slow. They are surrounded by more Ultron droids. "Dave" holds then off while Panther and Taskmaster escape but Panther trips on some stairs, falls down, and breaks his neck. Taskmaster is left to carry the Ultron drone's head by himself.

Back in New York, Luke Cage has been taken by some Ultron drones to what may be Ultron's citadel in order to trade She-Hulk but instead of dealing with Ultron e is surprised to find that he has come face to face with the upper torso of the Vision!

Sweet Mother of God...really??? It's all so nuts, but Black Panther tripped on steps and broke his neck? Tripped???

dINGO

Issue #3 begins with She-Hulk and Luke Cage talking. Luke gives her a pep talk on taking a punch and then knocks her out before carrying her off.

We find out that earlier the remaining heroes were discussing a plan involving bartering one of them to Ultron to attempt to gain some intel on what Ultron's intentions are. Apparently Ultron is accepting these type of trades because he was originally designed to have human needs and desires which means he craves revenge, likes to torture people, and hates everyone. So anyways, the heroes decide that out of all them, Luke Cage and She-Hulk (the green one) are the best candidates to accomplish this plan.

In Chicago, the Red Hulk who the Taskmaster has decided will from now on will be referred to as "Dave" assaults and demolishes a lone Ultron droid. Black Panther and Taskmaster stand by as "Dave" returns with the droid's head but is too slow. They are surrounded by more Ultron droids. "Dave" holds then off while Panther and Taskmaster escape but Panther trips on some stairs, falls down, and breaks his neck. Taskmaster is left to carry the Ultron drone's head by himself.

Back in New York, Luke Cage has been taken by some Ultron drones to what may be Ultron's citadel in order to trade She-Hulk but instead of dealing with Ultron e is surprised to find that he has come face to face with the upper torso of the Vision!

Sweet Mother of God...really??? It's all so nuts, but Black Panther tripped on steps and broke his neck? Tripped???

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Silly French Man

Punchy wrote:Leaving aside the fact that Hawkeye being OK with killing has been established for a few years now, surely the fact that this is a post-apocalyptic dystopia should make it acceptable for him to pro-killing?

If you lived in a world that had been decimated by evil robots, it might change your outlook on where to draw the line.

So if it had been Cap that was capping people you're saying it'd be believable?

Silly French Man

Punchy wrote:Leaving aside the fact that Hawkeye being OK with killing has been established for a few years now, surely the fact that this is a post-apocalyptic dystopia should make it acceptable for him to pro-killing?

If you lived in a world that had been decimated by evil robots, it might change your outlook on where to draw the line.

So if it had been Cap that was capping people you're saying it'd be believable?

Fagorstorm

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:That's a little dubious. He didn't trip, he was thrown by an explosion.

I admit I posted that before I saw the panels so yes he was tossed by the explosion my mistake.

I still think it's a really lame way for someone with Black Panthers powers to die. If you want to kill him fine. Have the Ultron ripped him apart or vaporize him. Breaking his neck from a stair fall is weak.

Fagorstorm

S.F. Jude Terror wrote:That's a little dubious. He didn't trip, he was thrown by an explosion.

I admit I posted that before I saw the panels so yes he was tossed by the explosion my mistake.

I still think it's a really lame way for someone with Black Panthers powers to die. If you want to kill him fine. Have the Ultron ripped him apart or vaporize him. Breaking his neck from a stair fall is weak.

OMCTO

Jack Burton wrote:I admit I posted that before I saw the panels so yes he was tossed by the explosion my mistake.

I still think it's a really lame way for someone with Black Panthers powers to die. If you want to kill him fine. Have the Ultron ripped him apart or vaporize him. Breaking his neck from a stair fall is weak.

I agree it's a lame way to go (if he's really dead), but presumably he was rendered unconscious by the explosion and had no control over how he landed.

OMCTO

Jack Burton wrote:I admit I posted that before I saw the panels so yes he was tossed by the explosion my mistake.

I still think it's a really lame way for someone with Black Panthers powers to die. If you want to kill him fine. Have the Ultron ripped him apart or vaporize him. Breaking his neck from a stair fall is weak.

I agree it's a lame way to go (if he's really dead), but presumably he was rendered unconscious by the explosion and had no control over how he landed.

Outhouse Drafter

Punchy wrote:Bendis wrote a great Hawkeye as recently as Uncanny X-Men #3

Great Hawkeye? You mean the Hawkeye that was ready to shoot Scott Summers in the head while innocent bystanders gathered around to watch? Scott Summers has been a hero in the Marvel Universe for years, he gets possessed by an all powerful cosmic entity, kills a man in the middle of an all out war, and suddenly Hawkeye is ready to put an arrow between his eyes without so much as hearing him out. Bro, you can't be serious bro.

Outhouse Drafter

Punchy wrote:Bendis wrote a great Hawkeye as recently as Uncanny X-Men #3

Great Hawkeye? You mean the Hawkeye that was ready to shoot Scott Summers in the head while innocent bystanders gathered around to watch? Scott Summers has been a hero in the Marvel Universe for years, he gets possessed by an all powerful cosmic entity, kills a man in the middle of an all out war, and suddenly Hawkeye is ready to put an arrow between his eyes without so much as hearing him out. Bro, you can't be serious bro.

Rain Partier

Great Hawkeye? You mean the Hawkeye that was ready to shoot Scott Summers in the head while innocent bystanders gathered around to watch? Scott Summers has been a hero in the Marvel Universe for years, he gets possessed by an all powerful cosmic entity, kills a man in the middle of an all out war, and suddenly Hawkeye is ready to put an arrow between his eyes without so much as hearing him out. Bro, you can't be serious bro.

Bro, it's Punchy, bro. That bro is not bros with logic or good taste, bro.

Great Hawkeye? You mean the Hawkeye that was ready to shoot Scott Summers in the head while innocent bystanders gathered around to watch? Scott Summers has been a hero in the Marvel Universe for years, he gets possessed by an all powerful cosmic entity, kills a man in the middle of an all out war, and suddenly Hawkeye is ready to put an arrow between his eyes without so much as hearing him out. Bro, you can't be serious bro.

Bro, it's Punchy, bro. That bro is not bros with logic or good taste, bro.

Staff Writer

Great Hawkeye? You mean the Hawkeye that was ready to shoot Scott Summers in the head while innocent bystanders gathered around to watch? Scott Summers has been a hero in the Marvel Universe for years, he gets possessed by an all powerful cosmic entity, kills a man in the middle of an all out war, and suddenly Hawkeye is ready to put an arrow between his eyes without so much as hearing him out. Bro, you can't be serious bro.

I just thought it was funny when Cyclops kind of turned him around and had him blaming Iron Man.

Look, I was a big pre-Bendis Hawkeye fan, he was my favourite part of Busiek's Avengers and the reason why I love the Thunderbolts, but I see no problem with his development. It stands to reason in my eyes that once Clint had been killed and came back to life himself, he would have a different perspective and be OK with killing people, especially with all of the dark stuff that happened.

The guy's only superpower is that he uses a weapon that is designed to kill, it makes sense, and frankly, I never noticed the whole 'never kill' part of his character, to me, that's more of a Spider-Man thing, or a Daredevil thing when he's contrasted with the Punisher.

Staff Writer

Great Hawkeye? You mean the Hawkeye that was ready to shoot Scott Summers in the head while innocent bystanders gathered around to watch? Scott Summers has been a hero in the Marvel Universe for years, he gets possessed by an all powerful cosmic entity, kills a man in the middle of an all out war, and suddenly Hawkeye is ready to put an arrow between his eyes without so much as hearing him out. Bro, you can't be serious bro.

I just thought it was funny when Cyclops kind of turned him around and had him blaming Iron Man.

Look, I was a big pre-Bendis Hawkeye fan, he was my favourite part of Busiek's Avengers and the reason why I love the Thunderbolts, but I see no problem with his development. It stands to reason in my eyes that once Clint had been killed and came back to life himself, he would have a different perspective and be OK with killing people, especially with all of the dark stuff that happened.

The guy's only superpower is that he uses a weapon that is designed to kill, it makes sense, and frankly, I never noticed the whole 'never kill' part of his character, to me, that's more of a Spider-Man thing, or a Daredevil thing when he's contrasted with the Punisher.