The American Bar Associations Center for Human Rights said in a white paper last month that it is unlikely the proposed treaty would compromise Second Amendment rights, and if it did, the treaty itself would be void.

This treaty proposal has been around for years. The idea that a treaty can't usurp the Constitution has been around a lot longer.

The American Bar Association&#8217;s Center for Human Rights said in a white paper last month that &#8220;it is unlikely the proposed treaty would compromise Second Amendment rights,&#8221; and if it did, &#8220;the treaty itself would be void.&#8221;

This treaty proposal has been around for years. The idea that a treaty can't usurp the Constitution has been around a lot longer.

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Even if the US doesn't ratify it the foreign companies might be obliged to follow it and cut off supplies of guns and ammo made outside the US and shipped here.

A better question would be: "Is there a problem with the 35% of firearms available to Americans currently that are imported?"
Another would be: "Do we want the executive branch and the BATFE to be the sole arbiters of which weapons are American able to buy?"

That is what is at stake.
Then there is the aspect of controlling our imports from the exporters shore.
The U.N.'s stance is hypocritical on free trade as soon as firearms are part or all of the shipment.

The ratification of the ATT needs to be stopped, no matter what the prez and his crony gun grabbers say about it.

Yes, they have. And how many people have said they were crazy? How many on this forum dismissed it as paranoia?
It's pretty hard to protect someone's rights when they wear blinders.

It's not just the NRA. SAF's Alan Gottlieb has been sounding the alarm as well, and he was instrumental in creating IAPCAR, an international gun rights group.

U.N. global gun control effort begins anew

New talks about an old subject &#8211; international gun control &#8211; begin today at the United Nations in New York, and sure to be involved at some point is the Bellevue-based International Association for the Protection of Civilian Arms Rights (IAPCAR)&#8230;

hate to say it but this is old news. something to note here is that china and russia have both said they do not support it because of the rights it would take from their citizens. now if china of all places are worried about their citizens loosing rights shouldnt we be even more worried about it?

hate to say it but this is old news. something to note here is that china and russia have both said they do not support it because of the rights it would take from their citizens. now if china of all places are worried about their citizens loosing rights shouldnt we be even more worried about it?

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It's been around for a long time but it keeps climbing out of the grave to haunt us anew. Dave is totally correct.. I have lost track of the scoffers on gun forums who kept telling us it was nonsense and tin foil hat stuff

hate to say it but this is old news. something to note here is that china and russia have both said they do not support it because of the massive trade they do to the third world in small arms.

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Russia and China both make it nearly impossible for their subjects to own arms. If you think these two countries object to the treaty on human rights issues, I have oceanfront property in Idaho I'd like to sell you.

A: It has less than ZERO chance of getting through the Senate
B: The constitution still trumps any treaty
C: Language the NRA and others are asking to change is reasonable on it's face, contrary to what the gun-grabber from Amnesty (a known anti-gun group) claims.

actually if you read their reasons for disproving it matches what i said. also if im not mistaken you are right about it being hard to get a gun legally in china but in russia it is very similar to our laws aside from a few more hoops and the lack of guaranteed right of ownership.

Before last December, with no real threats on the horizon and the anti-gun people in retreat, the paranoid needed something to get all worked up about, and the toothless UN treaty from the impotent UN fit the bill.

But after Newtown we face real threats to gun rights in Salem and in Washington DC. Any attention and time wasted on the UN treaty is a distraction from the real fight.

Russia and China both make it nearly impossible for their subjects to own arms. If you think these two countries object to the treaty on human rights issues, I have oceanfront property in Idaho I'd like to sell you.

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In Russia you can own AK47 semis, Saiga shotguns and 10 rd mags.. it's not that difficult. China is another matter

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