I've posted before that most of my friends are straight. One of the reasons for that, honestly, is that many gay men annoy me to no end with their constant, campy sexual innuendo. There is no comment that can be made that isn't turned into something disgustingly perverted.

And I'm far from a prude. But seriously, my straight friends don't do this. Most of the gay guys I know do. That's why I don't enjoy hanging with a gay crowd.

I had lunch with a gay friend the other day. In the course of that one hour lunch, there were probably half a dozen campy innuendos about blowjobs, semen, anal sex, and fisting.

Is it too much to ask that a guy in his 30s have a mature conversation instead of something that sounds like the gay version of Beavis and Butthead?

Global_Citizen saidI've posted before that most of my friends are straight. One of the reasons for that, honestly, is that many gay men annoy me to no end with their constant, campy sexual innuendo. There is no comment that can be made that isn't turned into something disgustingly perverted.

And I'm far from a prude. But seriously, my straight friends don't do this. Most of the gay guys I know do. That's why I don't enjoy hanging with a gay crowd.

I had lunch with a gay friend the other day. In the course of that one hour lunch, there were probably half a dozen campy innuendos about blowjobs, semen, anal sex, and fisting.

Is it too much to ask that a guy in his 30s have a mature conversation instead of something that sounds like the gay version of Beavis and Butthead?

Thank you for allowing me to vent.

I think, in gay culture, there is a constant emphasis on sex, and so many gay men adopt a very sexual, campy sensibility. It can be incredibly juvenile, yes, but at the same time, many gays don't really seem to have the sexual hang ups that straights have. They are a bit more liberated in that sense. But, I understand your perspective and sympathize with your conclusions. Many gays simply need to grow up.

Global_Citizen saidI've posted before that most of my friends are straight. One of the reasons for that, honestly, is that many gay men annoy me to no end with their constant, campy sexual innuendo. There is no comment that can be made that isn't turned into something disgustingly perverted.

And I'm far from a prude. But seriously, my straight friends don't do this. Most of the gay guys I know do. That's why I don't enjoy hanging with a gay crowd.

I had lunch with a gay friend the other day. In the course of that one hour lunch, there were probably half a dozen campy innuendos about blowjobs, semen, anal sex, and fisting.

Is it too much to ask that a guy in his 30s have a mature conversation instead of something that sounds like the gay version of Beavis and Butthead?

Thank you for allowing me to vent.

TIRED of this? Please, don't get me started. Thank you for posting this.

I think, in gay culture, there is a constant emphasis on sex, and so many gay men adopt a very sexual, campy sensibility. It can be incredibly juvenile, yes, but at the same time, many gays don't really seem to have the sexual hang ups that straights have. They are a bit more liberated in that sense. But, I understand your perspective and sympathize with your conclusions. Many gays simply need to grow up.

All of that is true, yet there is a difference between infantile and liberated.

I think the reason some adult gay men sound so teenage is that in a sense they are. Hetero teens have wide latitude to express coming to terms with their sexuality. Gay teens don't. So the witless sexual banter you hear is just arrested development. Your straight friends had their fill of this back in high school but some gay men haven't reached that point yet.

Global_Citizen saidI've posted before that most of my friends are straight. One of the reasons for that, honestly, is that many gay men annoy me to no end with their constant, campy sexual innuendo. There is no comment that can be made that isn't turned into something disgustingly perverted.

And I'm far from a prude. But seriously, my straight friends don't do this. Most of the gay guys I know do. That's why I don't enjoy hanging with a gay crowd.

I had lunch with a gay friend the other day. In the course of that one hour lunch, there were probably half a dozen campy innuendos about blowjobs, semen, anal sex, and fisting.

Is it too much to ask that a guy in his 30s have a mature conversation instead of something that sounds like the gay version of Beavis and Butthead?

Thank you for allowing me to vent.

I agree! I feel fortunate to know gay guys who rarely, if ever, do this sort of referencing to sexual innuendos. Just a few nights ago, I was invited to a party with gay men varying in age. But many of the older gay guys (over 50 and 60) seem to do this a lot, and it got old VERY QUICK!

Whatever happened to etiquette and proper manners? Did their parents raise them to be this way?

That's OK, it's a valid point. Some gays do act like immature little boys, smirking about sexual stuff like they've just learned of it within the last year.

I guess I'm lucky. Our gay friends, being mostly older like us, don't waste time on that childishness. And most of them are stable couples in very long relationships. We talk seriously about serious things, or sometimes we just have silly fun, if I have anything to do with it, but being lewd is not a part of it.

Yeah, sometimes there's a passing risque reference to something, if it presents itself, but really so truly innocent & harmless it's barely PG-rated, merely to provide a smile, not a rise. My gay friends are witty, not wicked in their conversation.

I wonder if another factor here is socio-economic status? I really don't encounter this in my circles. I've run into straight men who are coarse in this regard, too, and I question whether the common denominator is something other than sexual orientation? I wouldn't place all the blame on gay men.

RST2009 saidIs it a gay issue or an immaturity issue? Most of my friends are str8 and its a mixed bag, some are like this and some arent. Predominantly it is the single ones that are.

Ah, then maybe this ISN'T a gay issue, but a GUY issue. And about why some guys are this way, not why some gays are.

I offered a speculation about socio-economic status. Maybe it's something else. Maybe it's testosterone, or having good role models at home while growing up. Maybe it's how smart you are.

What I do know is that I don't do it, and my gay friends don't do it (at least not in my presence and to my knowledge). So on that alone I would conclude that it's not an endemic condition among all gay men. How common it is among other gay men I cannot say.

RST2009 saidIs it a gay issue or an immaturity issue? Most of my friends are str8 and its a mixed bag, some are like this and some arent. Predominantly it is the single ones that are.

Ah, then maybe this ISN'T a gay issue, but a GUY issue. And about why some guys are this way, not why some gays are.

I offered a speculation about socio-economic status. Maybe it's something else. Maybe it's testosterone, or having good role models at home while growing up. Maybe it's how smart you are.

What I do know is that I don't do it, and my gay friends don't do it (at least not in my presence and to my knowledge). So on that alone I would conclude that it's not an endemic condition among all gay men. How common it is among other gay men I cannot say.

Maybe refinement v. socio-economic?? I know some very wealthy men and they are very much in the "innuendo" mode while out with the boys. They are quite inappropriate about their wives and GFs.

really? just gays. i have a ton of gay and straight friends and i have noticed it with both parties. just watch sitcoms, movies, stand-up comedy and anything else out there. our society is saturated with it these days. not saying it is good, but i have seen it everywhere.

We are all different individuals bundled together by the world due to wt we share in common; our sexuality. Hence when some of us get together the only thing we find in common to talk about is sex. Now if we were teachers and got together we would probably talk about teaching.

bottomline saidWe are all different individuals bundled together by the world due to wt we share in common; our sexuality. Hence when some of us get together the only thing we find in common to talk about is sex. Now if we were teachers and got together we would probably talk about teaching.

I don't buy that. I can't see how making sex the cornerstone of discussion is a necessity because of our orientation. I have a few gay friends, and it is simply not something that is discussed frequently, not because it is irrelevant, but because there are plenty of other things to discuss.

Well in that case I would consider lucky, coz I know a gays guys, who are capable of having a talk without having a verbal orgy (funny comment). Its just that when somebody's only passion is sex, thats all they will talk about.