He unloaded 41 rounds, pausing at least once to reload despite taking no return fire from Allen who was not in possession of a firearm.

If my research is correct, Dallas County cops are issued a Sig P226. Depending on whether its chambered in 9mm or .357 caliber, it carries either a 10, 12 or 15 round magazine. Even at 15 rounds, he'd had to have reloaded twice to fire off 41 shots. If it was a 10 round magazine, we're talking four times. Couple that with the fact that the other cop didn't fire a single round and was, in fact, ducking for cover; the dead guy never even had a gun, much less opened fire on the cop; and the cop lied about being rammed, when in fact he had been the one ramming, and I hope this guy ends up in a mental health treatment facility...oh who am I kidding? He's in Texas, if (big if) he's found guilty of murder (which it sounds like he should be) he'll be in the chair within a year.

FTA: He unloaded 41 rounds, pausing at least once to reload despite taking no return fire from Allen who was not in possession of a firearm. Three of those shots hit Allen, killing him. But 38 of Tuter's shots missed their target.

That's because cops are crappy shooters and are not even within the same league as your average CCW holder.

Gecko Gingrich:He unloaded 41 rounds, pausing at least once to reload despite taking no return fire from Allen who was not in possession of a firearm.

If my research is correct, Dallas County cops are issued a Sig P226. Depending on whether its chambered in 9mm or .357 caliber, it carries either a 10, 12 or 15 round magazine. Even at 15 rounds, he'd had to have reloaded twice to fire off 41 shots. If it was a 10 round magazine, we're talking four times. Couple that with the fact that the other cop didn't fire a single round and was, in fact, ducking for cover; the dead guy never even had a gun, much less opened fire on the cop; and the cop lied about being rammed, when in fact he had been the one ramming, and I hope this guy ends up in a mental health treatment facility...oh who am I kidding? He's in Texas, if (big if) he's found guilty of murder (which it sounds like he should be) he'll be in the chair within a year.

FarkedOver:Since 9/11/2011 the police in this country have killed over 5,000 people. Who are the real terrorists?

Your "news" article doesn't appear to bother to distinguish between innocents victims and people killed in justified shootings. And it sources a blog called "The Daily Sheeple" for the "estimate" it uses to build that 5000 number.

skozlaw:FarkedOver: Since 9/11/2011 the police in this country have killed over 5,000 people. Who are the real terrorists?

Your "news" article doesn't appear to bother to distinguish between innocents victims and people killed in justified shootings. And it sources a blog called "The Daily Sheeple" for the "estimate" it uses to build that 5000 number.

Seems reasonable and productive.

Cool! A police apologist! Here's another interesting tidbit from the article:

According to the FBI's report, there were more arrests for marijuana possession than for the violent crimes of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault - 658,231 compared with 521,196 arrests.

Gotta clean these streets up and get those pot smoking beatniks in jail!

If the police have to come and get you, they're bringin an ass-whoopin with them.

Since they're now saying he didn't try to ram the cops it sounds like the shooting was probably not justified, but I'm sick of TFAs switching straight into "poor innocent victim" mode. (Oh, he has kids? So does, like, everybody). Why was he running from the cops again? "Allen had pending charges of evading arrest, drug possession and assault at the time of his death." (http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/tag/michael-vincent-allen/ ) Half hour chase exceeding 100MPH? Don't give me this bullshiat like he was some upstanding citizen minding his own business. The police being wrong doesn't make the person they're after right.

Gecko Gingrich:He unloaded 41 rounds, pausing at least once to reload despite taking no return fire from Allen who was not in possession of a firearm.

If my research is correct, Dallas County cops are issued a Sig P226. Depending on whether its chambered in 9mm or .357 caliber, it carries either a 10, 12 or 15 round magazine. Even at 15 rounds, he'd had to have reloaded twice to fire off 41 shots. If it was a 10 round magazine, we're talking four times. Couple that with the fact that the other cop didn't fire a single round and was, in fact, ducking for cover; the dead guy never even had a gun, much less opened fire on the cop; and the cop lied about being rammed, when in fact he had been the one ramming, and I hope this guy ends up in a mental health treatment facility...oh who am I kidding? He's in Texas, if (big if) he's found guilty of murder (which it sounds like he should be) he'll be in the chair within a year.

He's not charged with murder, only manslaughter. Yes, Texas has a hard-on for frying people, but he's not seeing the chair. Even if he's found guilty, I'm betting they're only going to see this as a minor blemish on a fine law enforcement career. He'll be out in 5 years and will get his gun back.

PsyLord:FTA: He unloaded 41 rounds, pausing at least once to reload despite taking no return fire from Allen who was not in possession of a firearm. Three of those shots hit Allen, killing him. But 38 of Tuter's shots missed their target.

That's because cops are crappy shooters and are not even within the same league as your average CCW holder.

/amirite?

Now better, that's for certain. Of course, if a cop can't manage a single unarmed man with only 10 rounds, why are we demanding people in self-defense situations be limited to 10?

FarkedOver:Cool! A police apologist! Here's another interesting tidbit from the article:

According to the FBI's report, there were more arrests for marijuana possession than for the violent crimes of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault - 658,231 compared with 521,196 arrests.

Gotta clean these streets up and get those pot smoking beatniks in jail!

/How long you been on the force Officer Friendly?

Yo Cheech, the utter failure that is the war on drugs does nothing to validate your 5,000 killed by cops number. Certainly they've killed innocent people before, but your source is crap.

the_foo:FarkedOver: Cool! A police apologist! Here's another interesting tidbit from the article:

According to the FBI's report, there were more arrests for marijuana possession than for the violent crimes of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault - 658,231 compared with 521,196 arrests.

Gotta clean these streets up and get those pot smoking beatniks in jail!

/How long you been on the force Officer Friendly?

Yo Cheech, the utter failure that is the war on drugs does nothing to validate your 5,000 killed by cops number. Certainly they've killed innocent people before, but your source is crap.

Hey John Law, if you read the article:

Because individual police departments are not required to submit information regarding the use of deadly force by its officers...

Maybe we need more accountability for these meatheads that are given guns and badges.

If the police have to come and get you, they're bringin an ass-whoopin with them.

Since they're now saying he didn't try to ram the cops it sounds like the shooting was probably not justified, but I'm sick of TFAs switching straight into "poor innocent victim" mode. (Oh, he has kids? So does, like, everybody). Why was he running from the cops again? "Allen had pending charges of evading arrest, drug possession and assault at the time of his death." (http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/tag/michael-vincent-allen/ ) Half hour chase exceeding 100MPH? Don't give me this bullshiat like he was some upstanding citizen minding his own business. The police being wrong doesn't make the person they're after right.

Perhaps he knew enough about the local Police department to understand that if they caught him, he was a dead man no matter what.

Oh, look. You got called on your BS so you just make shiat up. What a shocker.

Post a legitimate source or STFU with your INFOWARS-wannabe horsehiat. It's not exactly hard. They even have the goddamn CATO work on the subject in your garbage article, you only had to click one more link and copy that URL instead to not be a raging retard.

knobmaker:This guy, therefore something seriously wrong with the way cops are hired, trained, and retained.

Three of the first six comments before I posted were generic biatching about all cops, so, yea.

These threads are NEVER about the actual abuses that are occurring, they're just biatch fests from losers who had run-ins with cops because they were doing stupid shiat and they want to whine about the chips on their shoulders.

Farkers seem to have a very hard time distinguishing between cops in riot gear with heavy armaments that kick in a door and shoot the dog in the face because some guy was smoking dope in his living room and the time they got stopped on the sidewalk because they were stumbling around drunk.

Nobody cars that Office Jerkass was mean to you because you were being a dickbag, that's not really a problem, especially not in the face of this type of shiat.

FarkedOver:skozlaw: FarkedOver: Since 9/11/2011 the police in this country have killed over 5,000 people. Who are the real terrorists?

Your "news" article doesn't appear to bother to distinguish between innocents victims and people killed in justified shootings. And it sources a blog called "The Daily Sheeple" for the "estimate" it uses to build that 5000 number.

Seems reasonable and productive.

Cool! A police apologist! Here's another interesting tidbit from the article:

According to the FBI's report, there were more arrests for marijuana possession than for the violent crimes of murder and nonnegligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault - 658,231 compared with 521,196 arrests.

Gotta clean these streets up and get those pot smoking beatniks in jail!

the_foo:Since they're now saying he didn't try to ram the cops it sounds like the shooting was probably not justified, but I'm sick of TFAs switching straight into "poor innocent victim" mode. (Oh, he has kids? So does, like, everybody). Why was he running from the cops again? "Allen had pending charges of evading arrest, drug possession and assault at the time of his death." (http://crimeblog.dallasnews.com/tag/michael-vincent-allen/ ) Half hour chase exceeding 100MPH? Don't give me this bullshiat like he was some upstanding citizen minding his own business. The police being wrong doesn't make the person they're after right.

How should they write about a deceased person who hadn't done anything to warrant being deceased?

Why didnt the other cops shot him? Tase him?In no universe was this cop anything other than a MAD DOG shooting at an innocent civilian.If the person shooting the gun was a CIVILIAN, the other cops would have put him DOWN.

So yes, all cops are bad until they stop cops like this in the act of shooting innocent civilians./no, he was innocent until proven guilty.

Ned Stark:How many times does it have to happen before we are allowed to notice a pattern?

This

Snarcasm:The charge is just manslaughter, but I wonder why there are not 50 addon charges.Perjury, official oppression, vandalism, reckless discharge,

Funny how cops get a pass on piling on charges. Why is that?

Gecko Gingrich:He unloaded 41 rounds, pausing at least once to reload despite taking no return fire from Allen who was not in possession of a firearm.

If my research is correct, Dallas County cops are issued a Sig P226. Depending on whether its chambered in 9mm or .357 caliber, it carries either a 10, 12 or 15 round magazine. Even at 15 rounds, he'd had to have reloaded twice to fire off 41 shots. If it was a 10 round magazine, we're talking four times. Couple that with the fact that the other cop didn't fire a single round and was, in fact, ducking for cover; the dead guy never even had a gun, much less opened fire on the cop; and the cop lied about being rammed, when in fact he had been the one ramming, and I hope this guy ends up in a mental health treatment facility...oh who am I kidding? He's in Texas, if (big if) he's found guilty of murder (which it sounds like he should be) he'll be in the chair within a year.