Such a big load of bullshit. All these people freaking out cause it has "unmanly" oestrogen –like compounds in it etc.Interestingly my 12yr old daughter hasn't hit puberty yet like a lot of her omni classmates. So where's her precocious soy– induced puberty from eating all that evil soy is what I'd like to know?

Phyto-estrogens which soy contains actually dock the receptor sites so more harmful estrogens arent absorbed thus promoting hormonal balance. Soy's phyto-estrogens have shown health benefits in numerous studies such as improved bone density, preventing various hormonal induced cancers such as those of the breast and much more.

I like soy products. My concern is more with mono-crop focused industrial agriculture (= bad) and eating / encouraging others to eat varied diets that don't overly focus on any one plant (= very nice!).

Talyn wrote:It's also amusing that the most ardent anti-soy people due to it having estrogens or whatever will happily chug milk from a cow or eat meat that has been pumped full of growth hormones.

Exactly. Same for pesticides - like the animals they're eating have never eaten food with chemical additions.

And while I'm ranting, can people stop assuming that if we've vegan we nessesarily must eat a load of soya? Not all of us try to eat what an uninspired meat eater eats by replacing the animal food with soya.

You can see my training log if you're really bored: [url]www.veganfitness.net/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=16086&start=360[/url]

I try to avoid processed soy foods. However soy milk, edamame and tofu tend to show up in my diet quite a lot as these are readily available in coffee shops and restaraunts. So I am interested in the health affects of soy.

What I've gleaned is that minimally processed soy is beneficial. Organic and non-GMO would be a better choice when available - but that can be tricky given that is one of the big conventionally farmed crops.

I like them both (+lots of other soy "products") myself but sure, eating tempeh, edamame & similarly less processed soy stuff seems to eliminate the majority of even potentially concerning factors. Then again, tofu & other processed soy foods tend to be cheaper and/or far more commonly available....

“Animals do have a voice. If you ignore their suffering, I will remind you of it. If you don't understand them, I will translate. If you don't hear them, I will be their voice. You may silence them but you cannot silence me as long as I live.” ~ Anita Mahdessian (C