The TV Series discussion thread

November 19th, 2013, 22:55

Originally Posted by Pladio
I like the Big Bang Theory … What's your problem ?
Wanna pick a fight ?

You mean other than racism, misogyny, homophobia, an abusive and over-zealous laugh track and insulting misrepresentation of scientists? Just that it is the absolute lowest common denominator form of humor …

And given that the writing is poor, the characters are incredibly shallow, the interactions are meaningless, and the plots are throwaways … I would say that at least one function the show serves is to demonstrate that awards can be bought.

Well I found it entertaining at times. Very silly, and not realistic in the slightest, but I imagine ignorance could lead dummies to form and believe bad stereotypes from the show. I guess I shouldn't over-estimate the intelligence of the viewing public. :/

Originally Posted by txa1265
'Large segments' are easily swayed … award shows are a joke controlled by the industry as self-promoting and self-congratulatory events to push an agenda and slate of shows.

When shows are new, for the most part things are on even footing, but as they cntinue there is industrial iniertia to keep them going. And the reality is that if they are pulling huge advertising revenues, there is a desire to keep ratings high through whatever means are required.

I don't know if payola or similar shenanigans are at play with TV shows, but somehow I doubt they are immune …

Sorry, but that's mostly nonsense.

People continue to watch shows they enjoy. That's the bottom line. All the money and advertising in the world isn't going to sway me to watch something that I don't genuinely like.

Originally Posted by txa1265
You mean other than racism, misogyny, homophobia, an abusive and over-zealous laugh track and insulting misrepresentation of scientists? Just that it is the absolute lowest common denominator form of humor …

And given that the writing is poor, the characters are incredibly shallow, the interactions are meaningless, and the plots are throwaways … I would say that at least one function the show serves is to demonstrate that awards can be bought.

But then South Park is basically the same and I like that too…

Does that mean I am falling for all the money or that I just like crap shows ?

People continue to watch shows they enjoy. That's the bottom line. All the money and advertising in the world isn't going to sway me to watch something that I don't genuinely like.

Wait - are you seriously going to debate the power of money and advertising to have a large impact upon shifting a market? Because debating that as a total reality of the US pop cultural marketplace is just not even worth wasting time.

Originally Posted by JDR13People continue to watch shows they enjoy. That's the bottom line. All the money and advertising in the world isn't going to sway me to watch something that I don't genuinely like.

I thought the point of adverting is to make people *believe* that they like/want/need something even though they don't "genuinely" like/want/need etc? If this is not the case I can't see how the advertising industry is still going strong.

Originally Posted by txa1265
Wait - are you seriously going to debate the power of money and advertising to have a large impact upon shifting a market? Because debating that as a total reality of the US pop cultural marketplace is just not even worth wasting time.

No, I'm saying that no amount of money and advertising is going to make a show popular if it's total crap. It's really not that complicated.

Originally Posted by lostforever
I thought the point of adverting is to make people *believe* that they like/want/need something even though they don't "genuinely" like/want/need etc? If this is not the case I can't see how the advertising industry is still going strong.

The point of advertising to make people more aware of a given product and to try to appeal to specific demographics. It's not going to magically make someone interested in something they don't like.

Originally Posted by JDR13
The point of advertising to make people more aware of a given product and to try to appeal to specific demographics. It's not going to magically make someone interested in something they don't like.

Please tell me you are NOT seriously that naive? In fact, you sound like a classic advertising pitch, where they sell the good sides of advertising as a benefit to society.

Advertising is pushing cigarettes to kids and poor people; advertising is making people think sugar is good for you and a weight loss method and preferable to eating fruit; advertising is hiding the dangers of HFCS, fast food, processed products and so on until forced to reveal those dangers … and on and on.

Advertising is ALL about making products appeal to those who wouldn't generally be interested.

Originally Posted by txa1265
Please tell me you are NOT seriously that naive? In fact, you sound like a classic advertising pitch, where they sell the good sides of advertising as a benefit to society.

Advertising is pushing cigarettes to kids and poor people; advertising is making people think sugar is good for you and a weight loss method and preferable to eating fruit; advertising is hiding the dangers of HFCS, fast food, processed products and so on until forced to reveal those dangers … and on and on.

Advertising is ALL about making products appeal to those who wouldn't generally be interested.

But I think we've hijacked this thread long enough.

I feel sorry for someone who is as hopelessly cynical as you seem to be. No, I'm not that naive, but advertising is not the root of everything evil.

Of course there are certain products that can be viewed in such a way, but it's still up to the consumer to be foolish enough to partake in something that would be detrimental to them.

You can blame advertising for such things if you wish. It's certainly the easy way out.

Originally Posted by JDR13
No, that isn't what I said. Of course the goal of advertising is to get someone interested in something. Like I said though, that doesn't mean it's automatically going to work.

I don't think txa is suggesting that advertising is hypnotising every single human being on Earth.

But you're kidding yourself if you don't think people are being heavily manipulated - especially young people.

Don't you remember your childhood and how you wanted a toy simply because you saw it on TV? Public school with whatever brand of clothes?

These things are instilled at a very young age - and a lot of people never stop to think why they keep acquiring a lot of material shit they don't really need, even as adults.

We're all a part of that, really.

And I didn't think you're that stupid which is why I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming you misunderstood me.

If I'm stupid for not knowing what you mean - then so be it.

It sure sounds like you're being very naive - and if that makes me stupid, then that's ok. One might suggest you're simply not capable of articulating your level of naivety successfully through words - but who knows.

Of course I wanted certain toys I saw advertised when I was a kid (as an example) because that's what I was into anyways. Brand of clothes? Of course, as long as it was the type of clothing I was into.

I'm talking about advertising suddenly making me want something that I had absolutely no interest in previously. It's never happened to me as far as I can remember. Not even once.

For example, no amount of advertising is going to suddenly make me watch American Idol. On the other hand, I doubt many people who hate anything to do with zombies are suddenly going to start watching TWD because of advertising. That's my point.

*Edit* Sorry Corwin, you posted while I was still responding. I'm done though.

The topic is actually kinda interesting - but I guess Corwin's right. I'd gladly continue in another thread, though. Briefly: what you were into as a kid was very likely instilled partly because of the power of advertising. One of the most obvious examples would be Star Wars toys - which I assume you might have played with. Do you think Lucas and his merchandising genius had anything to do with that?

Season 2 hits the ground running with Sarah in a desperate race to find her missing daughter Kira. Her scorched earth tactics spark a war with pro-clone Rachel, dividing and imperiling all the clones. As Sarah discovers more about her past, mysterious newcomers appear, but can they be trusted?

In case you didn't watch the first season of this masterpiece, I'll just say shame on you.