the woody allen thing i said in the other thread is probably unfair, fuck him and also i think his movies aren't funny and the idea of calling someone's identity or genuineness or whatever into question because of taste is a dumb thing to do

Everyone picks and chooses with this thing, there’s too much great art made by too many cruddy people for every consumer to be held at the same standard. I’m not personally interested in seeing any new Polanski movies, but I (half) liked Mel Gibson’s Hacksaw Ridge, just for example. I would support anyone’s right to support or not support whatever art they choose, just because I don’t think I wanna support Louis anymore doesn’t mean I’m gonna shout down anyone who does

I mean shit, I enjoy black metal and the people in those early bands are straight-up murderous scumbags

Yea I wasn't trying to accuse anyone of being morally wrong or anything and I'm very sorry if it came out that way, I was just expressing where I stand rn and didn't mean to come across as doing anything different

I don't buy that we have no moral responsibility to the art we consume but I also don't think it's wrong in any specific given instance. Like many things the truth is complicated and somewhere in the middle

@toon_malk This might be the cynical response, but I think the only thing to do is protest these indecent and immoral acts with our wallets. That's all the studios and networks care about, and the potential losses is what determines what actions are taken as a result of these allegations.

yea i agree but the reality is consumption of art = capital, that's just the world we live in. you can remove yourself one or two or three steps from it but if you support an artists art you're probably giving them money directly or indirectly

which is why it's a hard problem, we can agree that if coca cola makes stuff with slave labor that maybe we should boycott coke (whether we actually do or not) but we give artists a pass because they make stuff with emotions

artists are businesses on some level whether we like it or not, even artists that reject that notion depend on it to continue to make art

i'm certainly open to it if someone can present an argument to the contrary but I think as long as art = capital on some level that while the separate art from artist argument is appealing that it is also incomplete

@toon_malk idk, i think i'm in a weird mood. i'm just saying the most basic things as if everyone else hasn't already thought of it. i think i've been kind of depressed this week so i hate reading my own words or hearing my own voice.

I think you make a good point, I'm just playing the argument out. I actually am pretty sure I land on your side of the debate but I feel like people treat it like it's a philosophical question with an answer and I don't think it is

like I remember Fantano made a video on the subject and just used some very surface level arguments about it and everyone on the comments agreed and I made a pretty reasonable comment along the lines of what I'm saying here that was like "I don't think it's fair to dismiss this argument, I think it's more complicated than Fantano is making it" and I got downvoted to oblivion