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I watched several of the Hutchison videos and then found several more related links and watched them. One thing I remember was that, in one of them, he was walking outside and picked up a bunch of processed gravel used to landscape around a local building and he said, yes here is what we need. Dramatic maybe? I will say that, in those samples he picked up, and, in the conglomerate he showed as the little cell I saw a lot of what appeared to be quartz crystals. I know he was not getting his over hot enough to melt the quartz but, maybe that makes something in his shake and bake resonate at quartz frequencies? A lot of people refer to John as a kook but I have follwed his research for many years now and, seeing his levitation of a 70 lb cannon ball told me something is going on there. I respect his accomplishments.

If anyone here claims to have replicated his power cell, and does not want to disclose the info, I respect that...personal decision. But, does your cell put out the 1/2 volt that his little cell did? And, he claims that, even with a light load, has done so for over a year? Are you results the same? He even admitted in one video that his larger cells with better mixtures (more refined) do not perform as well as the little glob one he started with. If he is correct, these are not batteries, these are generators, or power cells taping into, as he said zero point energy, whch I think is just another way of say a source we don't know about yet.

Stefan has made some cells. Maybe he will share what he did or do a search. The cells always excited me.

Hutchison is way out there, but I have seen him on discovery channel. Videos were old (And Joe Newman was on that same show).

My thought, it was a good show. But I really would have to see it with my own eyes to believe it (on the lifting of objects that are 70lbs).

His loss of hair, would tell me RF from the people I know that worked in that area. But his lab was random parts. The Government took it, but bought more random parts and it still works.

He knows something and does not tell? Why would he not tell to ensure his name, unlike his body, will live forever?

I think he has tried to explain it to people, but they can't replicate what hes done, and he doesn't write stuff down and document the exact settings he uses. I would think in conducting these experiments, you would have to be spot on with the settings, and since he can't provide that data no one can replicate what he's done. I'm sure the military has explored it, and whatever they find, you won't being reading about it anywhere. As for the other stuff, he said he would release it in 10 years, but I have no reason why that would be. Last time I looked, he was trying to sell all his stuff on ebay.

Yes, and search Google for his videos and you will see some very interesting results. I am sorry I don't have the links here, but I went to Google from a link and explored a little. Let me know if you can't find them....there are several with the cannonball experiment there. Was it faked? I don't really know...always possible but I think he is messing with stuff no one, including himself, understands at this time. He has so much equipment that I am surprised he can replicate what he has done in the past. I would hate to pay his electric bill. My personal opinion is that he is like a lot of us and experiments, turning this and adding that, so maybe even he does not know exacty what the heck is going on.

Now i read some document that says that he uses "common cemicals and water to make a rock soup witch when solidified allowes the drawing of electrical energy". So water might be another component. Is he mixing quartz, gypsum and water?

Yes, and search Google for his videos and you will see some very interesting results. I am sorry I don't have the links here, but I went to Google from a link and explored a little. Let me know if you can't find them....there are several with the cannonball experiment there. Was it faked? I don't really know...always possible but I think he is messing with stuff no one, including himself, understands at this time. He has so much equipment that I am surprised he can replicate what he has done in the past. I would hate to pay his electric bill. My personal opinion is that he is like a lot of us and experiments, turning this and adding that, so maybe even he does not know exacty what the heck is going on.

Bill

Guys,

this is NOT a thread on the "Hutchison Effect" with all its related phenomena of levitation and cold melting of metals.This thread is about his "energy cell".Please do not pollute the thread with speculation on his "Hutchison Effect" research.

Now i read some document that says that he uses "common cemicals and water to make a rock soup witch when solidified allowes the drawing of electrical energy". So water might be another component. Is he mixing quartz, gypsum and water?

I don't think so... Have you tried it? Seems simple enough to test. Anyone can throw speculative suggestions around, but if you don't really test your ideas it remains speculation...

koen1 , whats a good power source for "charging" the battery when it cools? it should have a high voltage but what shall the amps be you think? can you use a car battery or a battery charger or something?

Fot, I think the high voltage is more important than the amperage here.As you have probably seen on the Hutchison "Invent This" video, he presses the hV leads onto the cells electrodes using only his fingers.I would say that is high Voltage low amperage as everyone knows the higher the amps the more nasty the effects on living tissue.Also it seems to me he uses the high voltage to induce an electrostatic seperation of various particles in the mix, while it is solidifying. For that you need voltage rather than amperage.

So I would assume a good high voltage source is all you need. A nice VandeGraaff generator might well work. Or you might be able to use one of the transformers used in cathode-tube monitors or tvs, they usually produce good hV too. A car battery is probably way too low voltage, and I don't know what charger you were thinking of, but certain chargers produce hV high amp spikes and that might just not be desirable for achieving the elecrostatic seperation... But it might also work, so it never hurts to try eh

Hi Guys, it's my first time here. I've been following this thread for quite awhile with great interest.I have been experimenting with crystal cells for many years and had some success,( if you can call 20mV a success).Like most of you here I have studied the same videos on John Hutchison and with respect to the one where you see him crushingrocks and mixing them with white powder this was a mere demo of the proceedure.

Obviously he was showing us the crude basic steps not the exact method. Those rocks needed a lot more pounding.Also I noticed a long time ago that there was no way in the world was he going to achieve a temperature above 250 - 300 degrees Cwith his open air electric stove. I've tried it. If you build a kiln around it with fire bricks to prevent the surrounding air from cooling it,you can get the temp up to about 365 0C. Then the thing is glowing red. Also you see him place a plastic lid on his "shake and bake" container. In practice you would not do this, it would be the first thing to melt.

As for the voltage he uses and where to apply them , again a crude demo. Any voltage above 40V and you get a tingling in your fingers. For the size of container he was showing us (2.5 - 3 cm diameter) you would need a polarizing voltage of at least 200VDC.you do not hold that with your fingers.

Also he mentioned the minerals had to be treated in some way. Does he mean treated before they go into the mix or as part of the baking process? I am certain that the white powder you see him use in the mix is a combination of two or more ingredients.These chemicals also need to have melting points below 300 0C.

Common cheap ,easy to get hold of, chemicals I am using at the moment are:

Borax reduces the melting point of many substances and is used as a flux and produces a hard glassy lump when cooled.Ideal for holding micro crystals in place when polarized. It is not a good conductor of electricty so you'll have to throw in a carriersubstance, one that does have free electrons available, so they will move under the influence of the polarized crystal charges.

The problem I am having trouble with is the caustic soda. It is needed to perform a chemical reaction with the quartz. When SiO2 is reacted with caustic soda it produces Sodium Silicate. Na4O4Si ( theres those silicates again).If reacted for a short while ie minutes, each quartz crystal gets a coating of sodium silicate. Sodium is a very good conductor of electricity.So far I haven't been able to devise a way to neutralise the caustic action after baking. It creates a false voltage reading due toelectrolytice action and corrodes the electrodes. Thats why I'm not ruling out Sodium Bicarbonte as a replacement.

Thats about as technical as I'll go for the moment. I am happy to share my results and formulas in the hope that other experimenters will do the same. Perhaps someone will come up with something I may have missed and find a better way.

And of course the silicates of your choice.. Thats why I'm not ruling out Sodium Bicarbonte as a replacement.

Thats about as technical as I'll go for the moment. I am happy to share my results and formulas in the hope that other experimenters will do the same. Perhaps someone will come up with something I may have missed and find a better way.

The experiments continue.

I hope I haven't bored you with all of this.

All the best Ian

Ian,I am a biologist, not a chemist. I have been following many of the same subjects as those in this thread. I really appreciate that you will share your experiments with everyone. It is the cross-linking of ideas that will produce the results. It also has the effect of encouraging someone who has hit the wall of his own ideas. thanks. And NO I am NOT bored!

I gave the link before to geopolymers.org and as I mentioned I have been mixing the chemicals that I can find that might give me the reaction. All the reactions described in Prof. Davidovits' theory happen at warm air temperatures. He usually mentions 20 C.

He maintains the first chemical to use to alkalinize the mixture is sodium carbonate not sodium hydroxide. In the states it is called washing soda. (It can be made from sodium bicarbonate by heating etc) Arm & Hammer makes it as a laundry booster.

It is too cold for me to continue with these experiments before spring. So, I won't e playing along til then. I thought you could use this info. Sodium carbonate.

Hi Guys, it's my first time here. I've been following this thread for quite awhile with great interest.I have been experimenting with crystal cells for many years and had some success,( if you can call 20mV a success).Like most of you here I have studied the same videos on John Hutchison and with respect to the one where you see him crushingrocks and mixing them with white powder this was a mere demo of the proceedure.

Obviously he was showing us the crude basic steps not the exact method. Those rocks needed a lot more pounding.Also I noticed a long time ago that there was no way in the world was he going to achieve a temperature above 250 - 300 degrees Cwith his open air electric stove. I've tried it. If you build a kiln around it with fire bricks to prevent the surrounding air from cooling it,you can get the temp up to about 365 0C. Then the thing is glowing red. Also you see him place a plastic lid on his "shake and bake" container. In practice you would not do this, it would be the first thing to melt.

Ian, thanks for joining the thread. Clearly you know what you're talking about. It's good to have you here

Indeed, the procedure Hutchison showed in that "invent this!" video was meant more as a demonstration of the steps involved than it was meant as an actual "repicate my movements exactly" construction course. This is also why he doesn't mention exactly which "exotic silicates" and "special ingredients" he is mixing in, nor does he mention which metals he is using; he's not telling us exactly what to mix and how, he's just pointing us in a direction worth studying.

Also, you are right that his electric heater does not provide 250 degree plus temperatures, if only because his little "tin" can would probably melt in the process.However, he never mentions that he would be heating it to such high temperatures either. He does not claim to be melting the silicates, which would need much higher temperatures. He claims he mixes several substances including various silicates, with some "special chemicals", and "bakes" them into a solid. To me, that says he is talking about inducing a chemical reaction between the components of the mix. And it is well possible to induce an endothermic chemical reaction with temperatures below 250 degrees celcius, even using the crude electric hotplate...

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As for the voltage he uses and where to apply them , again a crude demo. Any voltage above 40V and you get a tingling in your fingers. For the size of container he was showing us (2.5 - 3 cm diameter) you would need a polarizing voltage of at least 200VDC.you do not hold that with your fingers.

Heh... 200V static is no problemo. DC at respectable amperages, at 200V, probably a very bad idea. But you must have done the fairly standard electrophysics experiment in high school (or whatever) where you get to touch a van de Graaf generator terminal, your hair stands on end completely, and you point your finger at the nearest student, to have a big spark jump and shock the student? Most good mansized vdG generators have very high voltages, easily 200V and upwards... Yet it's absolutely no problem to have that high charge accumulate on your body, or to have it conduct directly to the ground through you. As long as it's mostly just high voltage and little to no amperage at all, not much happens...Now remember that hutchison has been experimenting with high voltages for decades and has multiple vdG generators and other types of hV generators in his appartment, I'd say it is well possible he is really touching the terminals... That said, I do believe he is acting for the video, and is not in fact jolting the 'cell' with hV in the video.

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Also he mentioned the minerals had to be treated in some way. Does he mean treated before they go into the mix or as part of the baking process? I am certain that the white powder you see him use in the mix is a combination of two or more ingredients.These chemicals also need to have melting points below 300 0C.

I still think it's not the melting point that is important, but the temperature at which the chemicals start to react.I find it interesting that you are certain of a combination of chemicals. Is this your own study and reasoning that led you to the chemicals you mention below, or did you find any mention of him using these?

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Common cheap ,easy to get hold of, chemicals I am using at the moment are:

Borax reduces the melting point of many substances and is used as a flux and produces a hard glassy lump when cooled.Ideal for holding micro crystals in place when polarized. It is not a good conductor of electricty so you'll have to throw in a carriersubstance, one that does have free electrons available, so they will move under the influence of the polarized crystal charges.

The problem I am having trouble with is the caustic soda. It is needed to perform a chemical reaction with the quartz. When SiO2 is reacted with caustic soda it produces Sodium Silicate. Na4O4Si ( theres those silicates again).If reacted for a short while ie minutes, each quartz crystal gets a coating of sodium silicate. Sodium is a very good conductor of electricity.So far I haven't been able to devise a way to neutralise the caustic action after baking. It creates a false voltage reading due toelectrolytice action and corrodes the electrodes. Thats why I'm not ruling out Sodium Bicarbonte as a replacement.

Good to see you have worked on this and also realised the possibility of false voltage readings due to corrosion reactions. I like your approach. Probably because it is not far from the approach I have been using. Maybe not exactly the same address, but along the same road nevertheless. A problem you probably encounter is the occurrance of water in the reaction product, which allows for a certain level of ongoing reaction between components, and which can easily give false voltage readings. If I am right in suspecting that you are in fact quite a bit further along in your research than you care to divulge here at this time, you will probably need no less than a word to figure out the relations to your experiments, and related crystalline structures. And so, I will not bore you with too much blabla, and simply say this to see what your reaction may be: Tourmaline.

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Thats about as technical as I'll go for the moment. I am happy to share my results and formulas in the hope that other experimenters will do the same. Perhaps someone will come up with something I may have missed and find a better way.

The experiments continue.

I hope I haven't bored you with all of this.

Certainly not. This has been one of the most interesting posts on the subject I have read in a while.

It would appear that we are following very similar lines of research. (Tourmaline)So without further addo I'll give you the results of a benchmark test I did on January 5th.The idea of doing this particular test was to give me a starting point for a new mix, whether it worked or not.The following details are from my notes.

Initial terminal voltage, after removal of the polarizing voltage, was 0.53 VThis voltage reduced to 0.125V and thats where it has stayed. The short circuit current was a pityful 2uA.

However if the container is warmed slightly, the voltage begins to rise. I believe this is because the tourmaline in the mixexhibits its well known pyrovoltaic effect.As I said I am using this test as a benchmark and at this time I do not consider it a success.The next step is to find out which of the ingredients reacted with the Sodium Carbonate to produce the heat.

I've started to use the silcon carbide to try and increase the dielectric strength of the mix, similar to an electret. More testing needs to be done in this area.

At some point in the process the mix has to become fluid or fluid enough to allow crystal mobility for alighnment. In this test I used water. T T Townsend used wax. Camphor (moth balls) may give a similar result, who knows.

Any comments or suggestions will be greatly appreicated.Thats it for now.Kind regards Ian

The next step is to find out which of the ingredients reacted with the Sodium Carbonate to produce the heat.

I've started to use the silcon carbide to try and increase the dielectric strength of the mix, similar to an electret. More testing needs to be done in this area.

At some point in the process the mix has to become fluid or fluid enough to allow crystal mobility for alighnment

Any comments or suggestions will be greatly appreicated.Thats it for now.Kind regards Ian

Hi Ian,As I was hunting down information on sodium silicate last summer, I came across some information which may give you some leads. (It had nothing to do with electrical responses.)One is that the extremely basic solution formed by the calcium carbonate in water will dissolve the silicates and they will precipitate when the pH of the solution gets too low (toward acid). This very high pH also dissolves other crystals that contain Si in their structure..

When looking for heat, I would start with the clinker because when you mix portland cement, which is burnt calcite with clinker, with just water the compound heats up. If it is fresh it can even boil! Then the curing process continues to give off heat in a more gentle fashion.

Since acid will dissolve the calcite, I would add that later AFTER the Si based compounds have dissolved.

You have given me a good idea. I remember watching J Hutchison at his stove. Maybe applying heat is just a way to evaporate the liquid off the newly forming crystals.