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Right, I get that but it brings me back to the fact that one man's calculated risk is more acceptable than another man's. Scott Summers put his faith in Hope and the Phoenix during AvX, the Avengers didn't understand it and attempted to sabotage the Phoenix which directly led to the creation of the five hosts of the Phoenix and eventually the death of Professor Charles Xavier. However, in the end, Scott Summers was right. Here we are with another character taking a calculated risk, one that resulted in significantly larger consequences than AvX, and the worst that will happen is a little slap on the wrist if that. One character is now viewed as a fugitive and a villain in the eyes of his peers, while the other will continue to go about his day as a hero. In my opinion, it's unbalanced.

I wouldn't say that it's unbalanced -- Bendis clearly foreshadowed that Earth doesn't exist in a vacuum and that other beings in the universe are going to figure out what happened and are going to be PISSED...and they're going to have to deal with those effects. Angela's appearance clearly foreshadows this.

There will be consequences from this -- it was clear there will be consequences, (possibly) good and DEFINITELY BAD when people realize what Earthlings have done.

It reminds me of a story from 20 or so years ago in Fantastic Four, "The Trial of Reed Richards." Where sentient beings put Reed Richards on trial because he allowed a weakened Galactus to live when he could've let him die. More than anything, that story reinforced the concept of Galactus as a force of nature, which was Reed Richards' defense.

That story was great because it showed that there are consequences for things "we" do.

*Sniff, sniff* "Damn it, Diana...If I'd known they would trade us in for a JT Krul-written Captain Atom and "The Savage Hawkman," I'd have let Superboy-Prime destroy all reality."

"Superman flies and is really strong...what the fuck else do you need to know?!" -- Hitler, expressing his displeasure about DC rebooting and complaints about continuity

ElijahSnowFan wrote:I wouldn't say that it's unbalanced -- Bendis clearly foreshadowed that Earth doesn't exist in a vacuum and that other beings in the universe are going to figure out what happened and are going to be PISSED...and they're going to have to deal with those effects. Angela's appearance clearly foreshadows this.

There will be consequences from this -- it was clear there will be consequences, (possibly) good and DEFINITELY BAD when people realize what Earthlings have done.

It reminds me of a story from 20 or so years ago in Fantastic Four, "The Trial of Reed Richards." Where sentient beings put Reed Richards on trial because he allowed a weakened Galactus to live when he could've let him die. More than anything, that story reinforced the concept of Galactus as a force of nature, which was Reed Richards' defense.

That story was great because it showed that there are consequences for things "we" do.

As terrible as Age of Ultron was, I will admit that I am intrigued by concepts like the real Galactus being loose in the Ultimate Universe or even the large scale consequences of Wolverine's Time/Reality Stab. Unfortunately, Angela isn't the type of character who gives me any great hope for future stories.

Besides, I wasn't really talking about the more abstract consequences of Wolverine's actions. I was talking about day to day consequences of Wolverine's actions in regards to his peers. I will admit, I am bias because I am a fan of Cyclops but I don't see how the Avengers and the world can turn their backs on Scott, yet let this one slide. Like I said, it seems very unbalanced to me. Does Wolverine get a pass because he is a member of the Avengers or can they really justify his calculated risk over Scott's?

Grayson wrote:As terrible as Age of Ultron was, I will admit that I am intrigued by concepts like the real Galactus being loose in the Ultimate Universe or even the large scale consequences of Wolverine's Time/Reality Stab. Unfortunately, Angela isn't the type of character who gives me any great hope for future stories.

Besides, I wasn't really talking about the more abstract consequences of Wolverine's actions. I was talking about day to day consequences of Wolverine's actions in regards to his peers. I will admit, I am bias because I am a fan of Cyclops but I don't see how the Avengers and the world can turn their backs on Scott, yet let this one slide. Like I said, it seems very unbalanced to me. Does Wolverine get a pass because he is a member of the Avengers or can they really justify his calculated risk over Scott's?

Personally? And this is just me:

Wolverine gets a pass for any number of reasons, including the fact that if he did nothing, pretty much anybody who might judge him are all freaking dead -- Sue Storm thanked him, even though she knew exactly what he'd done both times, because now, her family's alive! If Wolverine does nothing, she's sitting in a cave in the freaking Savage Land, waiting for Ultron robots to come on in and finish the job and kill them all.

Who is in a position to judge Wolverine? The Avengers? I sure as hell hope not, considering they're the ones who turned that robot loose in the first place and never dealt with him properly.

The Fantastic Four? What the hell is Reed Richards going to say to anybody about anything? That guy's inventions and meddling -- Illuminati, anyone? Council of Reeds? -- could've killed this world 10 times over.

And if Hank McCoy so much as blinks, Wolverine should sit there and ask, "Uh, yeah. Sorry, Hank. I'm an idiot for breaking the space-time continuum. By the way, super-genius, have you seen Teenage Scott Summers today? You know, the one you plucked from time using a time platform built by the same guy as I did?"

*Sniff, sniff* "Damn it, Diana...If I'd known they would trade us in for a JT Krul-written Captain Atom and "The Savage Hawkman," I'd have let Superboy-Prime destroy all reality."

"Superman flies and is really strong...what the fuck else do you need to know?!" -- Hitler, expressing his displeasure about DC rebooting and complaints about continuity

I think this was meant to bridge into the current Avengers, X-Men and Spider books though. On top of the splash page showing all of them there was a quote from Immortus in Uncanny talking about a mysterious event that created 7 new timelines.

I think this was meant to bridge into the current Avengers, X-Men and Spider books though. On top of the splash page showing all of them there was a quote from Immortus in Uncanny talking about a mysterious event that created 7 new timelines.

No, there should only be one of each, from the 616 timeline.

But if you amend that question to, "Is it possible that we might see Old Man Logan in the 616 present day..."

Plus, as someone who is reading Uncanny Avengers, what Kang/Immortus are doing and have done...holy shit, man. Space/Time isn't done being abused just yet.

*Sniff, sniff* "Damn it, Diana...If I'd known they would trade us in for a JT Krul-written Captain Atom and "The Savage Hawkman," I'd have let Superboy-Prime destroy all reality."

"Superman flies and is really strong...what the fuck else do you need to know?!" -- Hitler, expressing his displeasure about DC rebooting and complaints about continuity

Wolverine gets a pass for any number of reasons, including the fact that if he did nothing, pretty much anybody who might judge him are all freaking dead -- Sue Storm thanked him, even though she knew exactly what he'd done both times, because now, her family's alive! If Wolverine does nothing, she's sitting in a cave in the freaking Savage Land, waiting for Ultron robots to come on in and finish the job and kill them all.

Who is in a position to judge Wolverine? The Avengers? I sure as hell hope not, considering they're the ones who turned that robot loose in the first place and never dealt with him properly.

The Fantastic Four? What the hell is Reed Richards going to say to anybody about anything? That guy's inventions and meddling -- Illuminati, anyone? Council of Reeds? -- could've killed this world 10 times over.

And if Hank McCoy so much as blinks, Wolverine should sit there and ask, "Uh, yeah. Sorry, Hank. I'm an idiot for breaking the space-time continuum. By the way, super-genius, have you seen Teenage Scott Summers today? You know, the one you plucked from time using a time platform built by the same guy as I did?"

Ah, so Wolverine gets a pass because nobody else will stand up to him besides Cyclops. Got it.

Cyclops was right.

HNutz wrote:Also, those preview pages that showed "Angela Pym" were pure B.S, it looks like, but I think I'm okay with that. I prefer that to the alternative.