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"Quantacat's name is still recognised even if he watches on with detached eyes like Peter Molyneux over a cube in 3D space, staring at it with tears in his eyes, softly whispering... Someday they'll get it."

1) Less lethal is not the same as non-lethal.
2) It's funny how they imply that there's nothing in a police officer's repertoire between stern words and firearms. Apparently no cop has ever used billy clubs, pepper spray or tasers before Fabrique Nationale decided to step in.
3) It's also funny how, in the dramatized situations, raised voices immediately escalate the situation to requiring SWAT team backup.
4) These are air rifles with slugs. Dear god, all this high-tech shit is describing air rifles with slugs.

NalanoH. Wildmoon
Director of the Friends of Nalano PAC
Attorney at Lawl
"His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy." - Woody Allen

That looks like a damn good way to blind people.
And yes, the terminology should always be "less lethal" - any form of disabling weapon, used enough will eventually lead to casualties.
I have to say I'm not convinced that a single shot from these things is going to be disabling anyone. Dissuading those who are getting carried away like the house-fire man, maybe. Doing anything with those set on violence and fire up with adrenaline? Less convinced.

"Quantacat's name is still recognised even if he watches on with detached eyes like Peter Molyneux over a cube in 3D space, staring at it with tears in his eyes, softly whispering... Someday they'll get it."

What method is there at all, to be nonlethal? You can never account for whatever allergies, or defects humans have. I know a lot of "force users" want to believe that you can just "Incapacitate and get away with it", but how many times have we, mere gamers, witnessed people falling into lava pits even though weve used "nonlethal" means?!

I say, if you want nonlethal, dont bother doing anything. thats the only nonlethal way.

"Quantacat's name is still recognised even if he watches on with detached eyes like Peter Molyneux over a cube in 3D space, staring at it with tears in his eyes, softly whispering... Someday they'll get it."

People are really resilient in some ways, really fragile in others. Anything that knocks someone down has a risk of them hitting their head fatally. Stuff like nets probably has small risks of strangulation and again wounds from being dragged. You also have "less lethal" weaponry that while the rate of deaths is very low, produce injuries requiring medical attention so frequently that they aren't really worth bothering with.

The presentation of less-lethal weaponry in gaming is interesting, in that A: accidents leading to fatalities almost never happen and B: they normally knock the target unconscious for a significant length of time. Most actual less-lethal weapons aim to inconvenience or incapacitate targets for a short period of time (SWAT 4 accurately portrays this element). I don't know of any weapon that can safely knock someone out for a reasonable period.

1) Less lethal is not the same as non-lethal.
2) It's funny how they imply that there's nothing in a police officer's repertoire between stern words and firearms. Apparently no cop has ever used billy clubs, pepper spray or tasers before Fabrique Nationale decided to step in.
3) It's also funny how, in the dramatized situations, raised voices immediately escalate the situation to requiring SWAT team backup.
4) These are air rifles with slugs. Dear god, all this high-tech shit is describing air rifles with slugs.

I know that an anti-cop jerckle-circ is always appealing, but I really think you're overanalysing it here.

I remember watching a video a couple of years ago of the development of electrified bullets being fired into a target that measured how much they were discharging on impact. Supposedly non-lethal. The company didn't appear to have a license for firearms though if I remember correctly, and had to settle for mounting one of their prototype bullets on the end of a crossbow dart in order for it to be fired.

Did you know that pepper spray is banned for use in wars by the Chemical Weapons Convention? And yet perfectly legal to spray down our civilians with...

Presumably that's just because chemical weapons are pretty much blanket banned though?

Originally Posted by Rath

I remember watching a video a couple of years ago of the development of electrified bullets being fired into a target that measured how much they were discharging on impact. Supposedly non-lethal. The company didn't appear to have a license for firearms though if I remember correctly, and had to settle for mounting one of their prototype bullets on the end of a crossbow dart in order for it to be fired.

The Tazer company make some shotgun slugs along these lines too. Probably is, this kind of electrical weaponry, while pretty good at putting people down, also has a pretty high number of adverse effects.

Originally Posted by Nalano

I'm not being anti-cop. I'm just laughing at how bad this extended advertisement is. Like the fat felon literally quivering in fear under the air rifle.

Also, just imagining that french police officer's commander talking to him afterwards. "You called in a SWAT team for what? For an unarmed man who wouldn't come out of his own house? Spending HOW MUCH?!"

Did you know that pepper spray is banned for use in wars by the Chemical Weapons Convention? And yet perfectly legal to spray down our civilians with...

Pepper spray is a pretty nasty weapon, particularly if you don't use it properly in a civilian environment and provide immediate treatment following exposure. It'd be even worse in a combat environment where there's likely to be large-scale, indiscriminate deployment. In that sort of environment you're not likely to be able to provide effective treatment or immediately remove exposure.

It's a pretty crap less than lethal weapon since there's too many unknown factors in its deployment and using it properly from a dispenser isn't all that easy in a risky environment. It's not like you're going to stop someone, say "Do you suffer from asthma?" and then spray them down.

It's a pretty crap less than lethal weapon since there's too many unknown factors in its deployment and using it properly from a dispenser isn't all that easy in a risky environment. It's not like you're going to stop someone, say "Do you suffer from asthma?" and then spray them down.

To be fair, this cop had plenty of time to ask about medical conditions beforehand.

[aka obligatory UC Davis video]

NalanoH. Wildmoon
Director of the Friends of Nalano PAC
Attorney at Lawl
"His lack of education is more than compensated for by his keenly developed moral bankruptcy." - Woody Allen