trappedspirit:Hey, doc. I got this medical problem. It's called being out of weeditis.

I actually got diagnosed with an arthritic spine yesterday (I'm just shy of 28), which is one of the things weed can for-real-life actually help. Not that Illinois will ever legalize medicinal marijuana for anyone who can't buy an alderman, but it does make a case for moving to a more enlightened state. It's probably better long term to get high a few times a week rather than burn a hole in my stomach with NSAIDs.

A more important question is why naturopathic "doctors" are allowed to prescribe anything. By definition they are quacks, unfit to be dispensing any sort of medical advice let alone prescription drugs.

AeAe:Satanic_Hamster: See, potheads? This is why a lot of people don't take the arguments for medical marijuana seriously. Even people who think it should be legalized entirely.

Just because a lot people fake a condition so they can get weed doesn't mean it not medically efficacious.

Yes, I know that (and agree with that). But perception is key for a lot of people. If the number of obvious "fakers" is too large and blatant about it, far fewer people will take the legitimate arguments seriously.

Satanic_Hamster:AeAe: Satanic_Hamster: See, potheads? This is why a lot of people don't take the arguments for medical marijuana seriously. Even people who think it should be legalized entirely.

Just because a lot people fake a condition so they can get weed doesn't mean it not medically efficacious.

Yes, I know that (and agree with that). But perception is key for a lot of people. If the number of obvious "fakers" is too large and blatant about it, far fewer people will take the legitimate arguments seriously.

ExperianScaresCthulhu:Satanic_Hamster: AeAe: Satanic_Hamster: See, potheads? This is why a lot of people don't take the arguments for medical marijuana seriously. Even people who think it should be legalized entirely.

Just because a lot people fake a condition so they can get weed doesn't mean it not medically efficacious.

Yes, I know that (and agree with that). But perception is key for a lot of people. If the number of obvious "fakers" is too large and blatant about it, far fewer people will take the legitimate arguments seriously.

Pretty much. They're not being smart about this, at all.

On the contrary, I feel that it's just proof that prohibition is ineffective. I have a medical card for a bogus reason because I would rather not have to serve time in double digits for an 8th. Do I smoke it because I like it? Heck yes. Do I think that people who have a genuine medical problem should have access to it? Of course! Is this prohibition helping anybody? Absolutely not.

kisseswookies:ExperianScaresCthulhu: Satanic_Hamster: AeAe: Satanic_Hamster: See, potheads? This is why a lot of people don't take the arguments for medical marijuana seriously. Even people who think it should be legalized entirely.

Just because a lot people fake a condition so they can get weed doesn't mean it not medically efficacious.

Yes, I know that (and agree with that). But perception is key for a lot of people. If the number of obvious "fakers" is too large and blatant about it, far fewer people will take the legitimate arguments seriously.

Pretty much. They're not being smart about this, at all.

On the contrary, I feel that it's just proof that prohibition is ineffective. I have a medical card for a bogus reason because I would rather not have to serve time in double digits for an 8th. Do I smoke it because I like it? Heck yes. Do I think that people who have a genuine medical problem should have access to it? Of course! Is this prohibition helping anybody? Absolutely not.

I think we're commenting on different things here. What Hamster is saying (if I understand him correctly), is that people who aren't really sick but get cards undermine the MMJ movement - which I agree with. That said, I can't say I would blame anyone for doing something like that to get a mostly benign drug for recreational purposes. I fully support across-the-board legalization for cannabis.

I am so glad I live in a country where the gubmint will intervene where my doctor and I have agreed on a treatment regimen...to save me from myself. Thanks Uncle Sam. I am so happy you know more about my health care needs than my doctor and me.

AeAe:kisseswookies: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Satanic_Hamster: AeAe: Satanic_Hamster: See, potheads? This is why a lot of people don't take the arguments for medical marijuana seriously. Even people who think it should be legalized entirely.

Just because a lot people fake a condition so they can get weed doesn't mean it not medically efficacious.

Yes, I know that (and agree with that). But perception is key for a lot of people. If the number of obvious "fakers" is too large and blatant about it, far fewer people will take the legitimate arguments seriously.

Pretty much. They're not being smart about this, at all.

On the contrary, I feel that it's just proof that prohibition is ineffective. I have a medical card for a bogus reason because I would rather not have to serve time in double digits for an 8th. Do I smoke it because I like it? Heck yes. Do I think that people who have a genuine medical problem should have access to it? Of course! Is this prohibition helping anybody? Absolutely not.

I think we're commenting on different things here. What Hamster is saying (if I understand him correctly), is that people who aren't really sick but get cards undermine the MMJ movement - which I agree with. That said, I can't say I would blame anyone for doing something like that to get a mostly benign drug for recreational purposes. I fully support across-the-board legalization for cannabis.

This also shows that quite a lot of people go through the steps and pay the fees to become legal - that they don't want trouble, and they don't necessarily want to be breaking the law. These card holders (the ones who don't have legit medical need) aren't the violent drug ring type, they're the harmless recreational types who just want to enjoy it without the risk. I very much so agree that it should be legalized.

then if that's the case and Pot is such a damn cure. It shouldn't be a smoking drug. Nope it should be a pill dispensed by the government via a pharmacy. No head shops or anything. BTW no matter what you say it's still smoke your inhaling.

alice_600:then if that's the case and Pot is such a damn cure. It shouldn't be a smoking drug. Nope it should be a pill dispensed by the government via a pharmacy. No head shops or anything. BTW no matter what you say it's still smoke your inhaling.

First of all, you can also consume "edibles". Two, vaporizing doesn't ignite the plant material, so, No, that's that not smoke. And, three, what's wrong with smoking it?

alice_600:then if that's the case and Pot is such a damn cure. It shouldn't be a smoking drug. Nope it should be a pill dispensed by the government via a pharmacy. No head shops or anything. BTW no matter what you say it's still smoke your inhaling.

then we could smash up the pill and vaporize the THC. in a light bulb instead of a glass pipe

Well, the first thing is that if you call yourself a "naturopathic" physician, you should be pointed at and laughed at, and your patents need to run. Run far, far away. Alternative medicine is a great way to end up dead after they take your money while selling you false hope and snake oil.

/What's the harm? - http://whatstheharm.net/naturopathy.html

Bruxellensis:These card holders (the ones who don't have legit medical need) aren't the violent drug ring type, they're the harmless recreational types who just want to enjoy it without the risk.

And these people do more to hurt the pro-legalization movement than anything else, and they also hurt the side of legitimate medical uses for cannabinoid compounds.

BronyMedic:Bruxellensis: These card holders (the ones who don't have legit medical need) aren't the violent drug ring type, they're the harmless recreational types who just want to enjoy it without the risk.

And these people do more to hurt the pro-legalization movement than anything else, and they also hurt the side of legitimate medical uses for cannabinoid compounds.

And that's the major point. There is a legitimate debate in legalizing pot for both normal and medical use. It's when they try to combine the two issues is when there's a credibility problem. There's a lot of states that are considering medical marijuana laws that are holding back because they see nothing but liars/scam artists faking problems just to get high legally.

BronyMedic:Well, the first thing is that if you call yourself a "naturopathic" physician, you should be pointed at and laughed at, and your patents need to run. Run far, far away. Alternative medicine is a great way to end up dead after they take your money while selling you false hope and snake oil.

/What's the harm? - http://whatstheharm.net/naturopathy.html

Bruxellensis: These card holders (the ones who don't have legit medical need) aren't the violent drug ring type, they're the harmless recreational types who just want to enjoy it without the risk.

And these people do more to hurt the pro-legalization movement than anything else, and they also hurt the side of legitimate medical uses for cannabinoid compounds.

That's only true because ignorant (and/or staunchly anti-MJ) people see it from the wrong perspective. It's labeled as corrupt and immoral, yet it's painting a bigger picture that people need to see: people want to enjoy a relatively harmless drug without legal risk, and without risk of violent crime that's sometimes associated with the black market. It shows that people are willing to jump through a few hoops and pay a fee to do what they've already been doing, but with significantly reduced risk to themselves and others. These people aren't the violent criminal types that are often included with the stigma of people involved with illegal drugs.

alice_600:then if that's the case and Pot is such a damn cure. It shouldn't be a smoking drug. Nope it should be a pill dispensed by the government via a pharmacy. No head shops or anything. BTW no matter what you say it's still smoke your inhaling.

Protip: Sometimes a pill or edible form of a drug won't work due to a person's unique body chemistry.

Example, my 30th birthday back in July, I go to the dispensary.

They give me four free cupcakes, each with 3.5 grams of BHO (heated up and decarboxylated, ready for work on a human body.)

I ate all four in 5 minutes.

Two hours later, not a goddamned thing.

I smoked one nice tiny hashy moon rock five hours later, and actually lose the pain in my legs and back.