You didn't read the pdf, did you? I didn't see any mention of anything but pot in there, and from what I could decipher out of that uneducated Texican pukes writing, it was less than an ounce. Am I missing something other than a sensationalist story on ESPiN?

I hadn't read the .pdf then but I have now. But, the one I saw was only about one player. Maybe the news story I first read about this made up all the stuff about coke and x(no, it wasn't the espn story) and if so I'll agree this is much ado about nothing. My post was based on the assumption all the news reports were correct about the x and coke and other pills.

However, sublizme or whatever is still an idiot for trying to say having a drug ring that sells coke and x(because that's what the story was at the time) is ok because it's not murder or rape. Nobody ever said murder or rape were the same as this, but he keeps throwing that straw-man out there.

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I find it funny that so many people are like, "Well they got what they deserved" anytime there's a drug bust, regardless of the magnitude of the substance.

It, to me, is akin to justifying religious persecution prior to the 1st Amendment. "Sorry - shouldn't have been Catholic!"

Laws change. I'd rather hold steadfast in my disgust at arrests like these. They are guilty because of the law. They are not right/wrong because of the law. And in 30 years, when we can all drive down to the grocery store for an 1/8th, all of this will be even more ludicrous. I, simply, will never believe that filing felony claims in cases like this is a proportional response.

Do I think the war on drugs is a waste of time and resources? Absolutely

But I don't feel sorry for anyone arrested for it, especially selling it, because even though I don't think it's that big a deal everyone knows it's illegal and when you participate, again especially when you sell it, you run the risk of getting arrested.

Do I think the war on drugs is a waste of time and resources? Absolutely

But I don't feel sorry for anyone arrested for it, especially selling it, because even though I don't think it's that big a deal everyone knows it's illegal and when you participate, again especially when you sell it, you run the risk of getting arrested.

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But I don't feel sorry for anyone arrested for it, especially selling it, because even though I don't think it's that big a deal everyone knows it's illegal and when you participate, again especially when you sell it, you run the risk of getting arrested.

If you feel like it should be legalized, then you must disagree with the legitimacy of it being considered criminal, no? So why wouldn't you feel for someone that will forever be known as a felon who got caught doing something that you don't think should be criminal in the first place?

I'm sure people used to get ticketed all the time for driving 70mph when the speed limit was 55. They knew the law and they broke it. They got a ticket. THAT'S fine with me.

But sending someone to prison for shit like this? 1 ounce of weed? That doesn't seem proportional, especially knowing the adverse effects of alcohol and how they dwarf anything that's ever been proven regarding cannabis. Fucking Nancy Reagan and Richard Nixon can eat a dick.

If you feel like it should be legalized, then you must disagree with the legitimacy of it being considered criminal, no? So why wouldn't you feel for someone that will forever be known as a felon who got caught doing something that you don't think should be criminal in the first place?

I'm sure people used to get ticketed all the time for driving 70mph when the speed limit was 55. They knew the law and they broke it. They got a ticket. THAT'S fine with me.

But sending someone to prison for shit like this? 1 ounce of weed? That doesn't seem proportional, especially knowing the adverse effects of alcohol and how they dwarf anything that's ever been proven regarding cannabis. Fucking Nancy Reagan and Richard Nixon can eat a dick.

If it's their first offense and if the only item being sold was limited quantities of weed they probably will never see the inside of a prison.

If there were real drugs involved, or if they have been busted for doing this before, they deserve any time they get.

In your view, what is the difference between "legalizing" and "decriminalizing"?

perhaps a bit shortsighted, but when I hear legalizing, I envision government produced, regulated, and distributed products, like cigarettes. Burn regulators, arsenic, various phenolic compounds like benzene, and probably shwag quality? If I were a smoker, I'd rather get it from a buddy or grow my own than the man.

In contrast, i see decriminalizing simply no punishment for possession, or Starkville, even a ticket would be better than the cost of jailing someone for a non-violent offense.

I realize there holes in each argument.

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If it's their first offense and if the only item being sold was limited quantities of weed they probably will never see the inside of a prison.

If there were real drugs involved, or if they have been busted for doing this before, they deserve any time they get.

Spend, spend, spend! I wonder how much time and money the DEA spent on their 6 month investigation. I wonder how much time and money the Feds will spend prosecuting these kids.

And for what? What is the end game? Nothing. They got a little weed and X off the streets? Think there aren't alternatives out there already? Just get that occupancy level up in those prisons. Gotta make sure we're above 90%! Nothing changes. Nothing. It's done nothing but get worse.

So a kid gets busted with some arbitrary weight of MJ (I don't know what the Texas law is, but we'll say an ounce) that's above the threshold deemed for personal use. So that kid with 1.1 ounces is now a dealer. But it's his first offense. So he gets a light sentence (maybe a fine and community service). But that goes on his permanent record. He's been convicted of a crime. Welp. So much for getting my degree. Why go through the trouble if I won't be able to get a job now. Might as well deal drugs.

I just don't get it.

Meanwhile, if I'm 19 years old and get a DWI, all I get is a misdemeanor and some community service. Hell, I can do that TWICE with no real consequences. And that's putting the public in ACTUAL danger. WHAT THE FUCK!? Someone wake me up.

Spend, spend, spend! I wonder how much time and money the DEA spent on their 6 month investigation. I wonder how much time and money the Feds will spend prosecuting these kids.

And for what? What is the end game? Nothing. They got a little weed and X off the streets? Think there aren't alternatives out there already? Just get that occupancy level up in those prisons. Gotta make sure we're above 90%! Nothing changes. Nothing. It's done nothing but get worse.

So a kid gets busted with some arbitrary weight of MJ (I don't know what the Texas law is, but we'll say an ounce) that's above the threshold deemed for personal use. So that kid with 1.1 ounces is now a dealer. But it's his first offense. So he gets a light sentence (maybe a fine and community service). But that goes on his permanent record. He's been convicted of a crime. Welp. So much for getting my degree. Why go through the trouble if I won't be able to get a job now. Might as well deal drugs.

I just don't get it.

Meanwhile, if I'm 19 years old and get a DWI, all I get is a misdemeanor and some community service. Starkville, I can do that TWICE with no real consequences. And that's putting the public in ACTUAL danger. WHAT THE frick!? Someone wake me up.

I would wake you up but people that think like lashhog, phathog and dirkpiggler will still be around. I really thought most of this ideal would die off with the babyboomer generation but it is in full swing with people alive and well. Scary.

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If you feel like it should be legalized, then you must disagree with the legitimacy of it being considered criminal, no? So why wouldn't you feel for someone that will forever be known as a felon who got caught doing something that you don't think should be criminal in the first place?

I'm sure people used to get ticketed all the time for driving 70mph when the speed limit was 55. They knew the law and they broke it. They got a ticket. THAT'S fine with me.

But sending someone to prison for aMm like this? 1 ounce of weed? That doesn't seem proportional, especially knowing the adverse effects of alcohol and how they dwarf anything that's ever been proven regarding cannabis. fricking Nancy Reagan and Richard Nixon can eat a dick.

Just say no! (to drugs not legal to our government. But always say yes to getting help through the pharmaceutical industry!)

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Hopefully you too can make it through your partying stage without OD'ing or getting busted.

Just because muzz, ocelot and i think it should be legalized doesnt mean we are sitting at home with needles hanging out of our arms. My partying years are passed me as well. Congratulations for surviving. I still enjoy a nice homebrew and a spliff. That for sure doesnt make me an overdosing criminal partier.

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Joseph Casias has been legally using medical marijuana to deal with the gnawing pain caused by sinus cancer and an inoperable brain tumor pressing against his skull. He says he never used it when he was on duty as an associate at a Wal-Mart in Battle Creek, Mich, and he never went to work high.

But one morning he went to work and was fired for it.

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