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Ed-S: Bumped to diary. Much of the content is from Ace's but there's good work done here.

Some people have been asking for this change for a while, so I decided to make it as a seperate post. I know it's not a very big deal, but it's a very quick process so I figured why not.

I took Ace's Big Ten Recruiting Rankings and applied a simple method to project NR recruits in an effort to make the rankings more accurate. The vast majority of NR recruits will have rankings by the end of the recruiting cycle, so with this in mind I gave them the star values I deemed appropriate. If a NR recruit was given a 4-star ranking by one site, the NR is substituted for with a 3-star ranking. If a NR recruit is a 3-star to one site, he is given a 2-star ranking. The lone recruit who was an NR across the board was given 1.5 stars. This incorporates the fact that a site doesn't like the NR recruit as much, but remains relatively realistic, as there are hardly any recruits with a 2 star difference across sites. The NR is replaced by the projected ranking number, in parenthesis.

Big Ten+ Recruiting Class Rankings

Rank

School

#

Rivals Avg

Scout Avg

24/7 Avg

ESPN Avg

Avg Avg^

1

Michigan

17

3.76

4.06

3.76

3.88

3.87

2

Ohio State

9

4.00

3.89

3.78

3.78

3.86

3

Notre Dame

10

3.30

3.50

3.70

3.80

3.58

4

Penn State

8

3.44

3.19

3.31

3.44

3.35

5

Michigan State

7

3.29

3.14

3.14

3.14

3.18

6

Nebraska

4

3.75

3.50

3.25

3.50

3.50

7

Iowa

3

3.33

3.00

3.00

3.00

3.08

8

Wisconsin

3

3.00

3.00

3.00

3.00

3.00

9

Illinois

4

2.75

2.75

2.50

2.25

2.56

10

Northwestern

1

4.00

4.00

4.00

4.00

4.00

11

Minnesota

1

3.00

3.00

3.00

2.00

2.75

12

Indiana

0

-

-

-

-

-

13

Purdue

0

-

-

-

-

-

^The average of the average rankings of the three recruiting services (aka the previous three columns). The figure is calculated based on the raw numbers and then rounded, so the numbers above may not average out exactly (go16blue: to save time I just used the rounded numbers for the averages).

#1 Michigan - 17 Commits

Name

Position

State

Rivals

Scout

24/7

ESPN

Patrick Kugler

OL

PA

4

5

4

4

Shane Morris

QB

MI

4

5

4

4

Dymonte Thomas

S

OH

4

5

4

4

Kyle Bosch

OL

IL

4

4

4

4

Jake Butt

TE

OH

4

4

4

4

Chris Fox

OL

CO

4

4

4

4

Ben Gedeon

LB

OH

4

4

4

4

Mike McCray

LB

OH

4

4

4

4

Logan Tuley-Tillman

OL

IL

4

4

4

4

Wyatt Shallman

ATH

MI

4

4

4

3

Taco Charlton

DE

OH

4

3

4

4

David Dawson

OL

MI

4

4

4

4

Jourdan Lewis

CB

MI

4

4

4

4

Gareon Conley

CB

OH

3

4

3

4

DeVeon Smith

RB

OH

3

4

3

4

Jaron Dukes

WR

OH

3

4

3

4

Khalid Hill

TE

MI

3

3

3

3

All but two Michigan commits—Wyatt Shallman and Khalid Hill—get four stars from ESPN, with 11 earning a spot in the ESPN 150. Hill is now the only commit who doesn't receive a four-star rating from at least one recruiting service, while 11 are consensus four-stars-or-better.

UPDATE: Thanks to Twitter follower chris_connon for pointing out that David Dawson, Jourdan Lewis, and Jaron Dukes all got upgraded to four stars on Scout. Michigan now has a Scout average over 4 and the highest combined average of any B1G school.

#2 Ohio State - 9 Commits

Name

Position

State

Rivals

Scout

24/7

ESPN

Cameron Burrows

CB

OH

5

4

4

4

Jalin Marshall

ATH

OH

4

5

5

4

Marcus Baugh

TE

CA

4

4

4

4

Evan Lisle

OL

OH

4

4

4

4

Billy Price

DT

OH

4

4

4

4

Eli Woodard

CB

NJ

4

4

4

4

Ezekiel Elliott

RB

MO

4

4

3

4

Jayme Thompson

S

OH

4

3

3

4

Tracy Sprinkle

DE

OH

3

3

3

(2)

The Buckeyes got a commitment from in-state DE Tracy Sprinkle today, giving them their first non-four-star commit.

#3 Notre Dame - 10 Commits

Name

Position

State

Rivals

Scout

24/7

ESPN

Hunter Bivin

OL

KY

4

4

4

4

Steven Elmer

OL

MI

4

4

4

4

Malik Zaire

QB

OH

4

4

4

4

Mike McGlinchey

OL

PA

3

4

4

4

Colin McGovern

OL

IL

3

4

4

4

Jacob Matuska

DE

OH

3

3

4

3

Devin Butler

CB

DC

3

3

3

4

James Onwualu

WR

MN

3

3

3

4

Corey Robinson

WR

TX

3

3

3

3

Rashad Kinlaw

ATH

NJ

3

(3)

4

4

The Irish are also putting together a very solid class, with only Corey Robinson not getting four stars from at least one service.

#4 Penn State - 8 Commits

Name

Position

State

Rivals

Scout

24/7

ESPN

Adam Breneman

TE

PA

4

5

4

4

Christian Hackenberg

QB

VA

4

4

4

4

Greg Webb

DT

NJ

4

4

4

4

Garrett Sickels

DE

NJ

4

3

4

4

Ross Douglas

CB

OH

4

3

3

4

Brendan Mahon

OL

NJ

4

3

3

4

Curtis Cothran

DE

NJ

(2)

(2)

3

(2)

Andrew Nelson

OL

PA

(1.5)

(1.5)

(1.5)

(1.5)

The Nittany Lions add in-state lineman Andrew Nelson.

#5 Michigan State - 7 Commits

Name

Position

State

Rivals

Scout

24/7

ESPN

Jon Reschke

LB

MI

4

4

4

(3)

Shane Jones

LB

OH

4

3

3

(3)

Caleb Benenoch

OL

TX

3

3

3

4

Gerald Holmes

RB

MI

3

3

3

3

Jalyn Powell

S

OH

3

3

3

(2)

R.J. Shelton

RB

WI

3

3

3

3

Damion Terry

QB

PA

(3)

(3)

3

4

The Spartans add Shane Jones—who held a Michigan offer, but not a committable one post-McCray—and Damion Terry. Strangely, neither Jones nor Jon Reschke are ranked by ESPN.

I just had the priveledge of going to a relatively exclusive talk by Lloyd Carr sponsored by the Jewish Federation. There were probably 30 of us total, and it was held in the house of a guy who had the idea to host a series of talks/get togethers featuring important people in the jewish/local community. The reason he knows Lloyd is that his house was previously Yost's house, the Little Big House as Yost called it, and Lloyd went to visit once. It was an amazing experience, and truly once in a lifetime. Coach Carr was just as classy and smart as expected, and was very kind. We had a short chat about my school, and he (along with everyone these days) asked me where I was thinking about going to college. This question is asked so much that it usually annoys me, but it was Coach Carr so I was to happy to be talking to him to care. Anyways, on to the good stuff.

He started his talk by giving us a quick activity simulating the fundamental football play - the center-quarterback exchange. He walked us through a QB's cadence, and how complex everything is by saying what a QB would say, and having us all clap at the snap. We had some fun with that, and our group had quite a few false starts.

He then got into some stories he had, starting with some advice Bo gave him-the only people who should affect how he coaches are his assistants. The media and fans shouldn't affect it at all (in other words, haters gonna hate, go with your gut). He talked about his first game, and starting a Scott Dreisbach at QB ("Keep in mind that this kid haden't taken a single snap from under center, he had never played a single game.... In other words, we didn't have experience at the position." that last bit got some laughs), and how this advice helped his decision to keep Dreisbach in the game and eventually win it.

My favorite story was about his experience recruiting under Bo. He talked about one kid, a QB from Chicago, who the assistants were very exited about ("This was a kid who could really have stepped in and made an impact on the team"). Him and Bo went to his house on a visit, and the kid kept ordering his mom around like a maid. After only 5 minutes, Bo said "Well, Lloyd, its time for us to go." Lloyd was absolutely shocked that Bo would want to end the visit that early, but Bo had already gotten up so he went with him. Once they left, Bo asked him how they could expect the kid to respect them as coaches if he didn't even respect his own mother. Similarly, there would be many times when Bo liked a kid, but the assistants really didn't want to use an offer on him. Bo had his way though, and Lloyd said that by the end of that kid's 4 years he was a real player. He may not have been the most athletic, but he became a real contributer to the team because of his toughness and heart.

Then he opened it up to questions, and of course the first one was about RR and how he didn't really get those things that Bo had tought Lloyd. Lloyd did a good job of not really saying much about that specifically, but he did say that when he was coach Bo was always part of the program, and was there for him. Lloyd didn't want to be that guy, so he promised himself to stay out of it for 4 years ("Those 4 years are almost up." I'm not sure if Lloyd really meant he would make a lot more statements after the 4 years, but I'm sure he will become more involved in some way). He didn't really say how this affected RR, but the implication is that there were a lot of times when RR was disconnected with the University's history-whether it be past coaches, or whatever. The one thing he did say about RR was that he didn't really think his offense fit in the Big Ten. "If you look at the best teams in the Big Ten - Ohio State, Wisconsin, Iowa, Nebraska, Illinois, Penn State1, they are all big tough teams. When they line up, the goal is to wear down the other guy. Under RR, Michigan got smaller and faster. And during his 3 years, his teams consistently wore down half way through the year." I'll leave it up to you guys to judge that statement's validity, but I think its interesting to hear from Lloyd, especially because he's been so silent on the whole thing.

Last but not least, he talked about his charity work. He and his wife do (as we know) a ton for Mott, and plenty of other organizations. He said he chose what organizations to give his time and money to by trust and what they do, and he said he did all he did for these organizations because "Well, I've got nothing better do to" (jokingly).

I'm sure there are some things I'm leaving out, but those were the highlights. I hope you got something out of it, I know I always like when someone retells an account like this on mgoblog.