 will never do things like Microsoft, because its Microsoft.
I mean what is the point?

People at Zune forum do not care about what  does, they just enjoy what they own.
Sure its like bragging that your wife is better that mine. It is meaningless!

The subject is relevant to this thread because PING is obviously Apple's retort to the Zune platform's (long-standing) social networking integration, only there's no subscription model to match the Zune Pass (yet).

Please go back and read our previous posts, as I have made it extremely clear that the 10 songs a month are MP3/DRM-free, which means that they will play on any device that supports the MP3 file format... Forever.

And you are still not understanding that I get that. I am asking what of the million of songs that you RENT? You have not answered. CAN THEY PLAY ON DEVICES OTHER THAN A ZUNE! That is all I want to know!

A sad day for those who try to argue against the stereotype of blind Apple fanboyism. Every second during which MobileMe or Ping remain online serves as further proof that Apple is not an internet company by any stretch of the imagination.

iTunes, the App store, and the iBook store are online, and appear to be doing well. And I think MobileMe is nice, too. Especially remote wipe and find my phone.

And you are still not understanding that I get that. I am asking what of the million of songs that you RENT? You have not answered. CAN THEY PLAY ON DEVICES OTHER THAN A ZUNE! That is all I want to know!

What Aren't You Comprehending Here?

No They Can't... No more than Apps purchased from Apple's App Store can play back on Android, WebOS, Symbian/etc. devices, or books purchased from Amazon's Kindle store can be read in Apple iBooks.

No They Can't... No more than Apps purchased from Apple's App Store can play back on Android, WebOS, Symbian/etc. devices, or books purchased from Amazon's Kindle store can be read in Apple iBooks.

Can we stick with MUSIC not Software!!? All software can not be used on multiple platforms. We all understand that!. But if you want to talk about software sure! Apple has a lot more devices currently that support their iOS applications. Are there Zune applications? Yes? No? if so, I bet they can only be used on Zune correct? my iOS applications can be used on my iPad, iPhone,iPod Touch,and maybe soon Apple TV. But again I was really trying to stick to music and you dragged me down the rabbit hole!

The subject is relevant to this thread because PING is obviously Apple's retort to the Zune platform's (long-standing) social networking integration, only there's no subscription model to match the Zune Pass (yet).

: Please! That is nonsense!
Zune started social networking. What a joke!

If it is as you say, isn't Zune itself a retort to iPod, and Windows a repay to Mac ( you started it, see ? )?

Can we stick with MUSIC not Software!!? All software can not be used on multiple platforms. We all understand that!. But if you want to talk about software sure! Apple has a lot more devices currently that support their iOS applications. Are there Zune applications? Yes? No? if so, I bet they can only be used on Zune correct? my iOS applications can be used on my iPad, iPhone,iPod Touch,and maybe soon Apple TV. But again I was really trying to stick to music and you dragged me down the rabbit hole!

The Zune Pass is a music rental service, with the 'option' of keeping 10 DRM-free/MP3 songs a month if the subscriber so chooses.

Any/all songs downloaded as a rental will be readily available to the subscriber as long as the subscription is maintained, and any songs downloaded as part of the 10 free songs a month are the subscriber's for life.

Please... look up the definition of the word 'RENT', and all will be revealed.

you are wrong! There is an amazon kindle app for ipad and iphone where you can read your amazon kindle books on ipad, iphone, or ipod touch

As I am holding my iPad in my hands at this moment, N O N E of the books I have purchased through the Kindle app can be read in iBooks, nor can A N Y of the books I have purchased through Apple's iBook Store be read via my iPad's Kindle app... The formats are Proprietary.

Please go back and read our previous posts, as I have made it extremely clear that the 10 songs a month are MP3/DRM-free, which means that they will play on any device that supports the MP3 file format... Forever.

Those ten songs a month, any of them have a name that one might know of?

Abandoning an Apple iDevise... That's a pretty tall order on the assumption scale!

Ten years ago, we had Steve Jobs, Bob Hope and Johnny Cash. Today we have no Jobs, no Hope and no Cash.

The Zune Pass is a music rental service, with the 'option' of keeping 10 DRM-free/MP3 songs a month if the subscriber so chooses.

Any/all songs downloaded as a rental will be readily available to the subscriber as long as the subscription is maintained, and any songs downloaded as part of the 10 free a konth are the subscriber's for life.

Please... look up the definition of the word 'RENT', and all will be revealed.

: So?
You like it don't you?
Many people here do not.: Why that bothers you?

My wife is not the richest woman in the world, but i chose her, go figure why she pick me, understand what i mean?

The Zune Pass is a music rental service, with the 'option' of keeping 10 DRM-free/MP3 songs a month if the subscriber so chooses.

Any/all songs downloaded as a rental will be readily available to the subscriber as long as the subscription is maintained, and any songs downloaded as part of the 10 free songs a month are the subscriber's for life.

Please... look up the definition of the word 'RENT', and all will be revealed.

Oh I know rent, which is why i bought my house, not rent it. I and many other millions out there rather own our music and buy it when i want to buy it. not say "oh i need to get my 10 songs for the month" even if i rather not have those songs. Look I love music that is why I use services like Pandora to explore more music and that I have. And the beauty of Pandora is I can play it virtually anywhere I like. I can play it on my iDevices, my computer, my Apple TV (using AirFoil currently). No need to download and sync across ONE device (Zune and Zune only). I just play it and its free to discover new music. If I like a particular song or artist enough that I will never get tired of. Than I buy it!

That's Nice... but I still prefer the ZUNE Marketplace's social networking implementation better at this point, if for no other reason than Apple's iTunes Store model is not well set up to support the kind of true music sharing/socializing system that the ZUNE Marketplace currently utilizes.

As I am holding my iPad in my hands at this moment, N O N E of the books I have purchased through the Kindle app can be read in iBooks, nor can A N Y of the books I have purchased through Apple's iBook Store be read via my iPad's Kindle app... The formats are Proprietary.

End of Story

Than you doing something wrong!! I have bought Amazon books and have the Kindle App for iPad and I read them just fine. Check yourself again! The only thing you said that is true is that Amazon's eBooks are proprietary. Apple's iBooks use open ePub. Now if the book publishers put some DRM shrink around that "open" ePub format, well that is not Apple's fault. Blame the content creators. But your Amazon eBooks are by no way "open"!! Look it up

I will not join Ping until it uses my nickname and not the name on my credit card. I read it also changes the name on your reviews from your nickname to the one on your credit card. Major fail, Steve! Do you want me to take my credit card off my iTunes account so I can use a faux name to protect my privacy?

you better had because i'm sure your the only person in the world on itunes with that name

As I am holding my iPad in my hands at this moment, N O N E of the books I have purchased through the Kindle app can be read in iBooks, nor can A N Y of the books I have purchased through Apple's iBook Store be read via my iPad's Kindle app... The formats are Proprietary.

: So?
You like it don't you?
Many people here do not.: Why that bothers you?

It looked to me that post was about clearing up misconceptions, not getting people to like it. I think there is a difference between the two. Holding up false facts as reasons for not liking something just looks silly. I think it behooves everyone on all sides of this discussion to make sure to at least try to know the facts they put forth rather than just throw them in the ring. Double checking using the internet is a good way to do so, it often only takes a couple minutes to verify many facts.

It looked to me that post was about clearing up misconceptions, not getting people to like it. I think there is a difference between the two. Holding up false facts as reasons for not liking something just looks silly.

And I agree. And I also understand that user DaHarder felt he had a better model that fit him, but it was his last comment in his first post that said "too bad we got your money" that set me off. Like as if saying we are idiots for buying music. I make sure I like a song before I buy it. More than likely I have heard it on the radio, pandora, or some other medium.

you are wrong! There is an amazon kindle app for ipad and iphone where you can read your amazon kindle books on ipad, iphone, or ipod touch

Wow! You're really going to accuse DaHarder (a "retired USAF aerospace/structural engineer") of being wrong? .... I agree, btw ... you know, maybe the problem isn't that he can't read them on "his iPad" .... maybe he just can't read, I mean, let's face it, we're all aware, by the way he posts, he can't understand. ......

Apple, bigger than Google, √ ..... bigger than Microsoft, √ The universe is unfolding as it should. Thanks, Apple.

The Zune Pass is a music rental service, with the 'option' of keeping 10 DRM-free/MP3 songs a month if the subscriber so chooses.

In other words, you have to pay every months instead of paying for what you want to pay, no thanks.
I may be interested if Apple have renting service. "May" not "am". But I wouldn't buy a device I don't want to buy just because I can hear a million songs on that device "alone" for a certain period of time, providing I pay every months. Seem like a stupid decision.
What I would really like to see is a lossless song purchase in iTunes.

I have heard people talking about you don't have to use your real name, you don't need credit card information. Can anyone tutor me how to subscribe to iTunes and Ping without giving away credit card information? (I want to use Apple gift cert., not credit card, but that will be later when I get my first iPhone.)

Hello everyone It quit easy to make sure your ping account is not your name. Are you reading carefully. When you sing up, Dont put your real Name its that simple. Even if you have sighed up with your reall Name it is possible to go back and change it to what you want.
Example. Say your name is Larry Bird and you dont want that on there to everyone.
1) Go to my profile on ping.
2) Go to edit profile.
3) Where you see your name change it. For example First name Twitch second name J.
And there your have it. TWITCH J is my ping name. For the apple fanatics like myself.

Right, but you might have clipped out my addendum that addressed this part, albiet indirectly.

However, if you read closely, he said iBooks, not the iDevices themselves. Not that I think it makes much of a difference in the end, it doesn't look like Amazon is going to let other software makers. DaHarder seems to have missed that it is Amazon that's non-standard and proprietary with their book format, Apple is using a more widely used, non-proprietary file format, anyone can publish an ePub with a variety of software.

Right, but you might have clipped out my addendum that addressed this part, albiet indirectly.

However, if you read closely, he said iBooks, not the iDevices themselves. Not that I think it makes much of a difference in the end, it doesn't look like Amazon is going to let other software makers. DaHarder seems to have missed that it is Amazon that's non-standard and proprietary with their book format, Apple is using a more widely used, non-proprietary file format, anyone can publish an ePub with a variety of software.

It's just funny when Daharder was associated with "misconception". Otherwise, I agreed completely with your original post.

It looked to me that post was about clearing up misconceptions, not getting people to like it. I think there is a difference between the two. Holding up false facts as reasons for not liking something just looks silly. I think it behooves everyone on all sides of this discussion to make sure to at least try to know the facts they put forth rather than just throw them in the ring. Double checking using the internet is a good way to do so, it often only takes a couple minutes to verify many facts.

There's is only 3 millions download of iTunes 10, the only one that has Ping, at the moment. So that's 33%. Please improves your reading comprehension.

How do you get reading comprehension out of this situation? Well except for your lack of it, 1 million users out of a possible 160 million is 0.6%.

There are several ways of looking at it.

There are 160 million iTunes users, and only 3 million of them have upgraded? Quite low considering Apple has decided to class this as a major release.

Another view point, I downloaded it once, and will then install it on four Macs, so how valid is this 3 million download figure?

There also seems to be the problem of spam users, so this 0.6% seems to be quite generous.

Either way, getting a 0.6% uptake of a new major service I think is poor. Personally I haven't signed into ping, and have no intension of signing into it, like Facebook etc, I can't see the point of it