Paul, a former Republican Texas congressman with libertarian leanings who ran for the presidency three times, did not mention Sarvis in his letter supporting Cuccinelli, reports Politico. Instead, he praised Cuccinelli as someone who will "stand up to the politicians of both parties in Washington."

Sarvis is seen as a potential spoiler who could take votes from the Republican state attorney general, who in the past has spoken out against gay marriage and abortion. However Paul remains popular among libertarians, so his endorsement could lead some back to the Cuccinelli side.

But Paul said Cuccinelli stands for many of the same views libertarians hold.

"Ken Cuccinelli has always stood for smaller government and limited government," wrote Paul in an open letter. "He has consistently and unapologetically worked with the Liberty movement in Virginia. His stand against Obamacare shows he is willing to stand up to Washingtons continued abuses on our individual liberties."

And Paul quoted libertarian activist Donna Holt, who called Cuccinelli "the most pro-liberty legislator and attorney general we have ever had in Virginia."

I have recently wondered if the Libertarian that always crops up in high profile races, was a plant. There was a relatively safe Congressional race, centered in Paradise Valley, that was lost to Kyrsten Sinema (the first proudly bisexual Rep in Congress!) due to the Libertarian siphoning votes from a good Conservative, Vernon Parker. Vernon Parker, a Black Conservative who is a former mayor of Paradise Valley, AZ, would have won the seat if the Libertarian hadn’t taken 10,000 votes from him. Conservatives/Libertarians shooting themselves in the foot.

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posted on 10/13/2013 8:40:56 AM PDT
by originalbuckeye
(Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy)

I have to wonder the same thing as of late. I’m not positive if he was Libertarian or simply something else, but he jumped into the race last-minute in then-CD8 in southern AZ. The guy siphoned off just enough votes so that after a week of counting/recounting, and finding “missing” ballots, hard-core leftist dupe and Sinema BFF Gabby Giffords ended up “winning.”

Libertarians pop up in races where the GOP nominates RINOs. Cuccinelli is not the normal VAGOP candidate - people like McDonnell and George Allen (both corrupt to the core) are. Their popularity is almost entirely a function of the GOP refusal to represent its own base.

Constitution Party and a few others are okay, as their platform stands now, I’d not vote for the Libertarian Party though, without referencing it right off, they stood for gay marriage, pro-choice and open borders.

First of all, I agree with you that Cuccinelli is a decent candidate. If I were a Virginian, I would be supporting his candidacy too.

However, I disagree with your claim that "third parties just help the Democrats." I think that I can speak for a lot of third party voters in saying that the choice is often not between a 3d party protest vote and a liberal Republican nominee. The choice is between making a 3d party protest vote vs. staying home and not voting at all.

I'm disgusted by the arrogance of the RNC for acting that they somehow own my vote, and that somebody is "stealing" it. I don't owe them my vote, nor do you. They have to do something to earn it. Running candidates like Bush, Dole, Bush, McCain, and Romney does little to earn my vote, though in a couple of instances there (Romney 2012), I DID vote for the RINO candidate because the alternative was so bad. When the choice is between a RINO candidate and a Clinton-style mainline Democrat (as opposed to the hard left radical Obama, to me that's no choice at all.

Ultimately, social liberalism and fiscal conservatism are incompatible in the long run. The former destroys any chances for the latter.

That depends what you mean by "social liberalism." If by social liberalism, you mean that people have the right to make stupid and self-destructive lifestyle choices, and then get bailed out through government healthcare and other social programs, they are incompatible. If you simply mean that people have the right to make self-destructive lifestyle choices themselves but then can't count on the public dole to bail them out, there is no inconsistency at all.

Making the war on drugs part and parcel of conservatism has been about as productive as bringing back the Prohibition Party.

Thank you, Ron! Very, very happy you did not go the easy way and simply vote Libertarian.

Blind party voting is what got us PortaJohn McLame, which got us Bawreck Oblahma. Frankly the entire Rebumblican Party stagnated so badly because nearly every non-liberal refused to consider alternatives...no matter how badly they stank or how much they acted like Rats once in office.

Once again, if in the absence of a third party candidate I (and other third party voters) would chose not to vote at all, in what sense is the third party "helping the Democrats?"

The third party isn't "taking my vote away" from the liberal Republican candidate (as if he were entitled to it somehow), it's giving me an opportunity to vote for somebody who actually represents my views when the only other alternative is staying home.

Blaming third parties for their losses is just the RNC's way of failing to own up to the fact that they have consistently been running lousy candidates in the general elections since 1988.

Don’t need a second of time to think about NOT supporting the anti-life pot smoking gay marriage libertarian party, you got that right and they are open borders too and have nothing to do with Ron Paul.... except to their dope smoking youth followers.

Don’t need a second of time to think about NOT supporting the anti-life pot smoking gay marriage libertarian party, you got that right and they are open borders too and have nothing to do with Ron Paul.... except to their dope smoking youth followers.

2-3 McAuliffe TV ads air against Cuccinelli ---whose ads are fewer and far between---might we suppose that McAuliffe is spending easily ten, twenty, fifty times what Cuccinellu is on advertising?

Oh yeah---McAuliffe's got zillions at his disposal.

McAuliffe is apparently polling well---and prolly receiving much campaign cash---from the "dearly departed" b/c a lawsuit Democrats filed says the [VA State Board of Elections] is rushing to complete the purging of dead voters in time to have the desired effect on the upcoming gubernatorial election.....to make sure that those who no longer live here dont vote here."

(cackle) The "dearly departed" are also Hillary voters----the buzz is Terry is 2016 Hillary's place-keeper. If elected, grave-robber Terry will insure she has the votes to win. (That's after he rapes the VA state treasury.)

The desperate Clintons are no doubt financing their old buddy McAuliffe.......b/c the Clintons have three (count 'em) three tax-exempt foundations worth millions to siphon off money from.

NY POST EXCERPT ----The Bill Clinton Foundation has spent more than $50 million on travel expenses  Bill Clintons foundation has spent more than $50 million on travel expenses since 2003, an analysis of the nonprofits tax forms reveal.....includes $4.2 million in 2011 for the William J. Clinton Foundation (to which Hillary and Chelsea are attached); $730,000 for the Clinton Global Health Initiative; and $7.2 million for the Clinton Health Action Initiative (CHAI).

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How many ways can the conniving Clintons use their name to launder tax-free money?

<><> The William J. Clinton Family Foundation......

<><> the Clinton Global Health Initiative......

<><> the Clinton Health Action Initiative (CHAI).

More importantly, what is the connection between Corzine's MF Global, Teneo (which paid Bill Clinton $50,000 per month), The Clintons multiple tax-exempt foundations, and Muslim money-Laundering?

As we all know, the Democrat party is a thriving criminal enterprise.

Billy Boy Clinton was grinning like a simpering fool at the annual meeting of the (cough) "Clinton Global Initiative Foundation". Notwithstanding the bombshell news that (1) the Clinton Foundation had employed a Muzzie terrorist....and.... (2) the Clinton Foundations were outed by the NYT for multi-million dollar shady dealings.

Yessir, a Muslim terrorist was working at the Clinton Foundation AND conducting Mideast terrorist activities at the same time. And now the opportunistic Clintons transmongrified themselves into the hallowed "Clinton Family Foundation."

The "Holy Family."

The Muzzie connection is crucial----huge piles of new money available to "help the needy" and to keep democrats in power.

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NOTE WELL: The Clintons' foundations shady proclivities are unveiled in the recent NYT story. Corruption, greed, entitlement, nepotism, cronyism. The Clintons didn't have a pot to *** in in Arkansas---never even had a home to call their own. Now they're multi millionaires.......the connivers have perfected the scam WRT gaming the govt system for themselves.

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Candidate McAwful's a triple threat---he was lacerated for his poor debating skills- he worships abortion---and he's a Democrat ***-licker, lying-in-wait to profit from his high-level govt connections.

Alex Trebek: "The state that transformed itself from a cradle of American liberty to the laughing stock of the country when its voting populace chose to be fooled into thinking a corrupt, gladhanding, empty-suited hustler and ripoff artist was somehow preferable over a seasoned, serious conservative Attorney General."

Contestant: "What is Virginia?"

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McAuliffe was clueless WRT this shady investment deal---just wanted to "help the poor."

MCAULIFFE'S DIRT PILE: Candidate McAwful's a triple threat---(1) he was lacerated for his sophomoric debating skills, (2) he worships abortion, and, (3) he's a Democrat ***-licker, lying-in-wait to profit from his high-level political connections.

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<><>McAuliffe made a campaign promise to exempt existing abortion clinics from having to comply with state health and safety standards. Recently, a number of clinics in the state were closed after they failed to live up to state standards.

Last year, according to Women Speak Out, more than 80 violations were discovered inside Virginia abortion facilities. But that doesn't seem to stop McAuliffe from defending them. This clearly shows his concern is for the well being of the abortion industry and not women.

Here's what he said: "I can do what I talked about, issue a guidance opinion by March to keep the remaining health centers open. I can do that myself as Governor. That's why I said I'll do that by March to keep the remaining, uh, Norfolk is closed. Fairfax is closed, or closing, so there will be 18 left. Only one of those 18 actually meet the, the requirements so they'll all close if I don't do that. "

"But I will issue what's called a guidance opinion by mid-March which will say that these regulations, I have, the General Assembly wasn't definitive with the Board of Health as to the rules, I can give a guidance opinion to the Board of Health to grandfather in those remaining clinics to keep them open. That's why this election is so important, and I will do that."

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<><> SEC investigating illegalities in company co-founded by Terry McAuliffe / By David Sherfinski

The SEC is investigating the green car company founded by Va gubernatorial candidate Terry McAuliffe over concerns that it allegedly (illegally) guaranteed returns for its investors. The SEC has subpoenaed bank records of GreenTechs funding arm, the McLean-based financing company Gulf Coast Funds Management, LLC.

Documents attached to a July 31 letter from Sen. Charles E. Grassley also raise more questions on the extent of the interaction between officials at the two companies and Alejandro Mayorkas, the director of US Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) in DHS.

DHS is investigating whether Mr. Mayorkas assisted in approving an investor visa application submitted by Gulf Coast, even after the application was denied and an appeal was rejected.

Mr. Mayorkas, Obamas pick to be the next No. 2 at DHS, testified last week that the extent of his interaction with Mr. McAuliffe was one meeting in which he heard his complaints about investor visas being held up.

Mr. Grassley said it went further than that.Contrary to the impression left by your answer, documents indicate that both before and after that meeting, you actually engaged in nearly a dozen contacts with Gulf Coast Funds Management between 2010 and 2013, including direct communications with Gulf Coasts attorneys, the Iowa Republican wrote to Mr. Mayorkas. That one meeting with Mr. McAuliffe was clearly not the extent of your interaction on that matter.

Officials at the two companies and did not immediately respond to requests for comment Friday. A spokesman for the McAuliffe campaign noted that Mr. McAuliffe left GreenTech in 2012 and that he has no knowledge of any investigation. News of the SEC investigation was first reported Friday by The Wash/Post.

The documents include forwarded e-mails from Mr. McAuliffe to Douglas Smith, an official in DHSs office of the Private Sector, that were forwarded to Mr. Mayorkas and an e-mail from Mr. Mayorkas himself saying that face-to-face meetings for particular cases are not appropriate.As the Director of this Agency, I do not adjudicate cases and am not the proper audience for a telephone call or a meeting about a particular case, he wrote to Gulf Coasts general counsel earlier this year. I will forward your e-mail to the appropriate individual in the Agency.

USCIS handles cases involved in the EB-5 program, where foreign investors put up between $500,000 and $1 million for American companies in exchange for legal status.

Govt attorneys wrote that such a meeting would violate the Administrative Procedures Act. I think it also raises an impartiality issue if we entertain pre-decisional meetings of this sort with particular applicants and petitioners, USCISs Ethics Officer wrote. It is not a concern to have meetings with particular industries, trade groups, bar associations, etc., on systemic issues that are not case specific, so long as we are willing to meet with all.

Gulf Coast is run by Anthony Rodham, the brother of former Secy of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, and is the finance arm of GreenTech Automotive Inc. Mr. McAuliffe founded GreenTech in 2009 and quietly stepped down as chairman in Dec  a fact only revealed in April in response to an inquiry from a Politico reporter.

<><> Wall to wall media coverage about an $18K gift to Cuccinelli, but this corrupt scumbag carpetbagger McAuful has skimmed tens of millions of dollars from corrupt deal after corrupt deal (the Clinton-era Global Crossing heist is just the start) and not a peep from the press.

How do you pretend to know that other 3rd party voters would stay home or NOT vote Republican, if there were no 3rd party candidate?

Because most third party voters know perfectly well that their candidate is not going to win the Presidency (or any other high Federal office). By definition, that makes third parties protest votes for people who know that Crook/Moron (D) or Moron/Crook (R) is going to be President, but who can't bring themselves to bother voting for either.

The bottom line remains that Bush I, Dole, McCain, and Romney can go on pretending that third party candidates cost them the election, when the fact remains that people wouldn't be voting for those third party candidates (or staying home) if the GOP fielded halfway decent candidates to begin with.

Incidentally, there are third party breakaways on the Left as well: Ralph Nader and his Greens. Gore blamed them for his loss in 2000. Chances are, most of those people wouldn't have voted for Gore either, even if there were no Nader and no Green party.

That attitude serves ONLY to accelerate the decline and destruction of America. It does NOTHING toward sending any entrenched establishment a message.

Lately, establishment Republicans have done almost as much to accelerate America's decline as have Democrats, so I fail to see your point.

Does it really matter to me (or to you) whether amnesty for illegal third world immigrants is signed into law by a Democrat or a Republican? The net result is exactly the same. Or if the banks and wall street firms get another taxpayer-funded bailout under a Republican lead TARP vs. a Democrat-led "stimulus"?

There is a third party in VA guaranteed to elect McAuliffe. Cuccinelli has no chance; he has trailed throughout the campaign. He has avoided immigration as an issue, arguing that is a federal and not a state matter. I am sure will find out on the night Nov. 5 that VA is still stuck on stupid.

>> Gary Johnson and the Libertarian Party are a joke and have nothing to do with Ron Paul who in 2008 endorsed the Constitution Party NOT the Joke Libertarian Party. <<

Ron Paul was the LP's nominee for President in 1988, I'd hardly say he has nothing to do with them. He ran as a Republican to get elected to Congress, but he has close ties to the LP and most "big L" card-carrying Libertarian Party members are big Ron Paul fans who would love to run him for President again.

Yes, Paul's pro-life, and most of the LP is pro-choice, but the scary thing is that Paul is probably more conservative than the average Paulbot who worships him. I'd be willing to bet that at least 70-80% of the people who voted for Gary Johnson were Paulbots. I know several Paulbots who voted for Gary Johnson, including one who lied and claimed he was going to support Romney in the general, then admitted later that he pulled the lever for Johnson.

Ron Paul tried to stay neutral in the 2008 presidential election. He finally endorsed the Consitution Party nominee only because Bob Barr wouldn't shut up and kept trying to cash in on Paul's personality cult by retroactively claiming he was Ron Paul's BFF when the two served in Congress together. Paul knew it was BS, and endorsed the Constitution Party candidate just to make it explicitly clear he was NOT supporting Barr.

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