Post by jadedragon on Dec 7, 2018 20:41:37 GMT

I'm with new protag all the way. Even tho I do think expanding upon how Hawke was introduced in DAI can work. Literally have Dorian who has that Thedas version of a cell phone contact stone allow him to contact the Inquisitor. Which prompts the CC to make our inquisitor in game for the final moments against Solas. I think that should be a last ACT thing and not a mid act like Hawke was.

But to everyone saying " Inquisitor story isn't finished", Well name one protag who isn't dead whose story is finished? The Warden could have had a sequel to their story because witch hunt ended with you learning that Flemeth is a bigger threat then you thought then either stab Morrigan or Follow her in the mirror. Even if it's the Orleasan Warden if ours is dead that moment still happens because Bioware has made all DLC canon events. Now our Warden if alive is looking for a cure for the calling sounds pretty important considering how huge that would impact Thedas and the blight. Warden story is not done.

Hawke could possibly be dead in the fade somehow survived and is trapped on the run in the fade or is somewhat involved in the Warden Civil War. The Warden Civil War plot being the biggest. Not to mention between DA2 and Inquisition Hawke was obviously busying working with the Warden Alley so again still adventuring still having a story. Hawke story is not done.

And of course we know about the Inquisitor. I have nothing against duel protag. But those that just want the Inquisitor changes the core of the dragon age series which judging my three games is about how new heroes influence the Thedas during the Age of Dragons. Tevinter's sets up to good of a chance to make a new protag that could help us dive deeper in the culture how Origins did. Every Protagonist in the series life is going to go own between games and we can't control that. Nobodies story truly ends the perspective of which we play from game to game is what changes and that is what has made Dragon age world building stand out amongst RPGs. You build on top of your world with a new hero each game

You're confusing a hero being open to have another story with a story not being completed. The main threat that the Warden has to face was the Blight which they stopped. The main threat Hawke had to face was surviving which they did. The heroes of those stories combated the antagonist of those stories and were victorious bringing conclusion. Meanwhile the mission of the Inquisitor and the Inquisition was to seal the Breach and stop those responsible. They did the first part, but the man responsible for everything is still operating at large so the second part is not complete. To add to that is again the conversation in Trespasser that makes the Inquisitor aware of this new threat and antagonist. The new possible story you are arguing could happen for the Warden or Hawke has already happened for the Inquisitor so they need to conclude it.

Huh, here I thought the core of the series was telling the best stories possible. Not sacrificing that to follow some unofficial arbitrary rule that they've already considered breaking in the past. I guess you think all Mass Effect games should involve Shepard since by your argument they were the core of the series. And sure, go ahead and continue that tradition...once you properly conclude the current story.

I think your confusing yourself. How are you going to claim me confusing our heroes for another story when you just did it for the Inquisitor. Don't twist things to fit your narrative because the Inquisitor completed the main goal just as much as Warden or Hawke. Main goal of base game Origins Stop the Blight kill the Archdemon, accomplished. DA2 Stop Arishok and put a stop to Mage/Templar conflict in Kirkwall. accomplished. DAI stop the Breach and Cory. Accomplished. Sure Solas played a role in the breach but don't confuse the literal words of "stop those responsible" as the core of the goal. The most repeated and clear Goal of DAI was stopping Cory even more so then the Breach which was stopped in the 1st Act. But in the heart of base game DAI it was to stop Cory that is clear as day and Cory is clear as day no longer a threat. Solas was not the objective of DAI. Even trespassers the goal wasn't Solas even though he was involved the goal was to Stop the Qun mini invasion. Do you want to know when Solas became a objective for the Inquisitor? After Trespassers when the objectives for DAI and all its DLC was completed. So the hunt for Solas is literally a entirely different mission, does it involve the Breach somewhat yes but can we not say that The Warden hunting for a cure for the Blight is not just as similar of a ties missions? The Warden is looking for a cure to something that is connected to one of the major threats in all of Thedas so we can argue that The Warden whose job as a Warden is normally Blight related business is still acting according to its order. Just as the Inquisition has handled mostly dealings with different pantheons in Thedas who pose a threat.

Trespassers threat once again was not Solas because Solas was just in the early phase of his plans. He didn't become a threat until the convo with him. So like I pointed out Witch Hunt and Trespassers do the exact same thing. Tie up the story of our Protag, find the mage companion who left us after the main mission. Find out information about a bigger plot and proceed to investigate it either via taking the grimoire or going thru the Mirror, Hunting Solas as a disbanding Inquisition or Chantry control inquisition. Also lets not forget the Inquisition not being a Independent public Organization is just as important as what happens to the Inquisitor themselves. The Inquisition is itself as much as the protagonist of the story as the PC. So its disbanding is symbolic to the Story of the Inquisition as we know it ending. And no Mass Effecting switching from Shepard wasn't a problem even though considering how Mass Effect has done since moving from tradition is a pure example, but The way Dragon Age is set up it changes so much of the system of companionship and romance unless you want to sacrifice new characters for returning ones. Again im not oppose to the Inquisitor returning because I like Hawke coming back just not how it was handled. If the Inquisitor returns the final Act of DA4 that's fine but they should in no way be the standalone Protagonist. For one youll have to write all the Romances back or else your going to have a lot of fans feel shafted that the Solas romance story arc continues while others may get what a codex entry? The Tradition of Dragon Age has what has been working for the series if its not broke why fix it? Of all things that is wrong with the series changing Protags has never been a issue. The fact so many call for Wardens, Hawkes, and Inquisitor return because of our attachment to these past heroes are a testament to the good writing and stories bioware does. It makes me look forward to what new hero they can get me attached too.

Post by 10k on Dec 7, 2018 20:47:47 GMT

Not just romances. In fact, romances are only one facet of a much larger problem: Baggage in general.

Playing the Mass Effect trilogy, I didn't feel like ANY of my choices, yes including who I romanced, mattered much. I felt Shep was railroaded into filling whatever role this particular story needed, regardless of the character I spent the last game or two crafting. And in the end, my Shepard felt so ruined the entire trilogy left a bad taste in my mouth. I do NOT want a repeat of that with my Inquisitor. I'd rather the story be finished, done with, and move on to a fresh character without a connection to previous games.

But would you say the Inquisitor story is finished, given what happened in Trespasser DLC?

Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 7, 2018 20:50:59 GMT

Not just romances. In fact, romances are only one facet of a much larger problem: Baggage in general.

Playing the Mass Effect trilogy, I didn't feel like ANY of my choices, yes including who I romanced, mattered much. I felt Shep was railroaded into filling whatever role this particular story needed, regardless of the character I spent the last game or two crafting. And in the end, my Shepard felt so ruined the entire trilogy left a bad taste in my mouth. I do NOT want a repeat of that with my Inquisitor. I'd rather the story be finished, done with, and move on to a fresh character without a connection to previous games.

But would you say the Inquisitor story is finished, given what happened in Trespasser DLC?

It was until that DLC ruined everything by unraveling the ending they did have with nothing to replace it.

Post by Syv on Dec 7, 2018 20:53:19 GMT

I have no idea how some folks could literally say " my inquisitor's story is done. " No, the game shows you that actually it's not the case, like at all. No matter whant you d'like. Whether the inquisition is disbanded or not. It is quite clear, the inquisitor is going after Solas. No she / he isn't going to spend some unlimited holidays somewhere where she / he could rest with his / her girlfiend / boyfriend.

The inquisitor knows that Solas is going to threat the world, while he already saved it several times, it was not to see it destroyed just after by the same guy that lied to him, was part of his team and took advantage of his organisation's actions to push his agenda. Knowing the inquisitor was the most involved with him, no, there is just no way that his story is done. Regardless of what Bioware will choose in the end.

So I could understand that some people might want another character for different reasons. But no, the inquisitor's story isn't done. He has to be involved. There is no logic claiming the inquisitor's story is done.

Post by witchcocktor on Dec 7, 2018 20:57:16 GMT

I have no idea how some folks could literally say " my inquisitor's story is done. " No, the game shows you that actually it's not the case, like at all. No matter whant you d'like. Whether the inquisition is disbanded or not. It is quite clear, the inquisitor is going after Solas. No she / he isn't going to spend some unlimited holidays somewhere where he could rest with his / her girlfiend / boyfriend.

The inquisitor knows that Solas is going to threat the world, while he already saved it several times, it was not to see it destroyed just after by the same guy that lied to him, was part of his team and took advantage of his organisation's actions to push his agenda. Knowing hthe inquisitor was the most involved with him, no, there is just no way that his story is done. Regardless of what Bioware will choose in the end.

So I could understand that some people might want another character for different reasons. But no, the inquisitor's story isn't done. He has to be involved.

But does the Inquisitor need to be involved to the point of being the protagonist?

Does Inquisitor need to be there for Tevinter infighting, Tevinter and Qunari war, titans, whatever the game is going to throw at us while we aren't searching for Solas? The Inquisitor LITERALLY sets up the new protagonist in the ending scene of Trespasser '' then we'll find people he doesn't know '' *stabs Tevinter*

Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 7, 2018 20:58:16 GMT

I have no idea how some folks could literally say " my inquisitor's story is done. " No, the game shows you that actually it's not the case, like at all. No matter whant you d'like. Whether the inquisition is disbanded or not. It is quite clear, the inquisitor is going after Solas. No she / he isn't going to spend some unlimited holidays somewhere where he could rest with his / her girlfiend / boyfriend.

The inquisitor knows that Solas is going to threat the world, while he already saved it several times, it was not to see it destroyed just after by the same guy that lied to him, was part of his team and took advantage of his organisation's actions to push his agenda. Knowing hthe inquisitor was the most involved with him, no, there is just no way that his story is done. Regardless of what Bioware will choose in the end.

So I could understand that some people might want another character for different reasons. But no, the inquisitor's story isn't done. He has to be involved.

But does the Inquisitor need to be involved to the point of being the protagonist?

Does Inquisitor need to be there for Tevinter infighting, Tevinter and Qunari war, titans, whatever the game is going to throw at us while we aren't searching for Solas?

Post by vertigomez on Dec 7, 2018 20:59:22 GMT

Not just romances. In fact, romances are only one facet of a much larger problem: Baggage in general.

Playing the Mass Effect trilogy, I didn't feel like ANY of my choices, yes including who I romanced, mattered much. I felt Shep was railroaded into filling whatever role this particular story needed, regardless of the character I spent the last game or two crafting. And in the end, my Shepard felt so ruined the entire trilogy left a bad taste in my mouth. I do NOT want a repeat of that with my Inquisitor. I'd rather the story be finished, done with, and move on to a fresh character without a connection to previous games.

But would you say the Inquisitor story is finished, given what happened in Trespasser DLC?

Just interjecting with my POV- my Inquisitor's story is about as done as any other protagonist. She sealed the Breach, disbanded the Inquisition. My Hawke is, uh, existing in Kirkwall which is all they ever wanted. My Warden's off killing darkspawn or something. Realistically none of them would be okay with Solas's plan, and all of them - as well as 99% of side characters we've ever met - would oppose him. I just don't see any reason to single my Inquisitor out in this regard considering she doesn't feel any more strongly about Solas than the others do.

Post by rras1994 on Dec 7, 2018 21:00:48 GMT

But does the Inquisitor need to be involved to the point of being the protagonist?

Does Inquisitor need to be there for Tevinter infighting, Tevinter and Qunari war, titans, whatever the game is going to throw at us while we aren't searching for Solas?

Yes.

Even though the DLC ended witrh saying to find people Solas doesn't know? And he knows the Inquisitor so well he's able to manipulate them to stop Cory and to stop the Qun Invasion as well as take your power and your hand, while confidently letting you know he has spies in your organisation, knows everything you do and also know the Qun has infiltrated your organisation?

Post by phoray on Dec 7, 2018 21:02:16 GMT

I have no idea how some folks could literally say " my inquisitor's story is done. " No, the game shows you that actually it's not the case, like at all. No matter whant you d'like. Whether the inquisition is disbanded or not. It is quite clear, the inquisitor is going after Solas. No she / he isn't going to spend some unlimited holidays somewhere where he could rest with his / her girlfiend / boyfriend.

The inquisitor knows that Solas is going to threat the world, while he already saved it several times, it was not to see it destroyed just after by the same guy that lied to him, was part of his team and took advantage of his organisation's actions to push his agenda. Knowing hthe inquisitor was the most involved with him, no, there is just no way that his story is done. Regardless of what Bioware will choose in the end.

So I could understand that some people might want another character for different reasons. But no, the inquisitor's story isn't done. He has to be involved.

But does the Inquisitor need to be involved to the point of being the protagonist?

Does Inquisitor need to be there for Tevinter infighting, Tevinter and Qunari war, titans, whatever the game is going to throw at us while we aren't searching for Solas? The Inquisitor LITERALLY sets up the new protagonist in the ending scene of Trespasser '' then we'll find people he doesn't know '' *stabs Tevinter*

Boom, bang.

I only need my Inky there for the Solas resolve.

Let's keep the classes and add a dual protagonist, eh?We want to out clever Solas, not out last his stupidity. #DA42020

Post by Iakus on Dec 7, 2018 21:08:56 GMT

Not just romances. In fact, romances are only one facet of a much larger problem: Baggage in general.

Playing the Mass Effect trilogy, I didn't feel like ANY of my choices, yes including who I romanced, mattered much. I felt Shep was railroaded into filling whatever role this particular story needed, regardless of the character I spent the last game or two crafting. And in the end, my Shepard felt so ruined the entire trilogy left a bad taste in my mouth. I do NOT want a repeat of that with my Inquisitor. I'd rather the story be finished, done with, and move on to a fresh character without a connection to previous games.

But would you say the Inquisitor story is finished, given what happened in Trespasser DLC?

Yes. Yes I would. At least as an active participant. Any further work of the Inquisitor's would be pulling strings in the background.

Post by Iakus on Dec 7, 2018 21:12:56 GMT

I have no idea how some folks could literally say " my inquisitor's story is done. " No, the game shows you that actually it's not the case, like at all. No matter whant you d'like. Whether the inquisition is disbanded or not. It is quite clear, the inquisitor is going after Solas. No she / he isn't going to spend some unlimited holidays somewhere where he could rest with his / her girlfiend / boyfriend.

The inquisitor knows that Solas is going to threat the world, while he already saved it several times, it was not to see it destroyed just after by the same guy that lied to him, was part of his team and took advantage of his organisation's actions to push his agenda. Knowing hthe inquisitor was the most involved with him, no, there is just no way that his story is done. Regardless of what Bioware will choose in the end.

So I could understand that some people might want another character for different reasons. But no, the inquisitor's story isn't done. He has to be involved.

But does the Inquisitor need to be involved to the point of being the protagonist?

Does Inquisitor need to be there for Tevinter infighting, Tevinter and Qunari war, titans, whatever the game is going to throw at us while we aren't searching for Solas? The Inquisitor LITERALLY sets up the new protagonist in the ending scene of Trespasser '' then we'll find people he doesn't know '' *stabs Tevinter*

Post by Syv on Dec 7, 2018 21:16:39 GMT

I have no idea how some folks could literally say " my inquisitor's story is done. " No, the game shows you that actually it's not the case, like at all. No matter whant you d'like. Whether the inquisition is disbanded or not. It is quite clear, the inquisitor is going after Solas. No she / he isn't going to spend some unlimited holidays somewhere where he could rest with his / her girlfiend / boyfriend.

The inquisitor knows that Solas is going to threat the world, while he already saved it several times, it was not to see it destroyed just after by the same guy that lied to him, was part of his team and took advantage of his organisation's actions to push his agenda. Knowing hthe inquisitor was the most involved with him, no, there is just no way that his story is done. Regardless of what Bioware will choose in the end.

So I could understand that some people might want another character for different reasons. But no, the inquisitor's story isn't done. He has to be involved.

But does the Inquisitor need to be involved to the point of being the protagonist?

Does Inquisitor need to be there for Tevinter infighting, Tevinter and Qunari war, titans, whatever the game is going to throw at us while we aren't searching for Solas? The Inquisitor LITERALLY sets up the new protagonist in the ending scene of Trespasser '' then we'll find people he doesn't know '' *stabs Tevinter*

Boom, bang.

So you admit that the inquisitor has to be involved in some way ? So... his story isn't done..... Like I said, we'll see what bioware has chosen. " the inquisitor's story is done " makes no sense. Boom, bang. No that's not the case, and obviously in DA4, he will be involved, and will play a big role.

And, personally I want him back as the protagonist. But I wouldn't mind another character or a dual protagonist.

Post by witchcocktor on Dec 7, 2018 21:16:50 GMT

But does the Inquisitor need to be involved to the point of being the protagonist?

Does Inquisitor need to be there for Tevinter infighting, Tevinter and Qunari war, titans, whatever the game is going to throw at us while we aren't searching for Solas? The Inquisitor LITERALLY sets up the new protagonist in the ending scene of Trespasser '' then we'll find people he doesn't know '' *stabs Tevinter*

Boom, bang.

I only need my Inky there for the Solas resolve.

I think that's mostly fair, but honestly I don't know how much Inquisitor needs to be shown otherwise. Inquisitor could potentially just order his henchmen (us) to capture Solas and bring him to them, and then they'll cast their final judgment, their final Inquisitorial Act based on the decision made in Trespasser. Otherwise the Inquisitor being this mysterious figure giving out orders through Dorian, Leliana, Cassandra, Harding or whomever, might be enough, and also kind of cool. Add some kind of a feature where we can dictate what kind of orders our Inquisitor gives, that'd be enough personally.

Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 7, 2018 21:22:52 GMT

Even though the DLC ended witrh saying to find people Solas doesn't know? And he knows the Inquisitor so well he's able to manipulate them to stop Cory and to stop the Qun Invasion as well as take your power and your hand, while confidently letting you know he has spies in your organisation, knows everything you do and also know the Qun has infiltrated your organisation?

That can mean new allies aka companion roster among others.The Inquisitor also continuously surprised Solas to the point he sees us as a threat to his plans as seen when he won’t fully answer the questions.Hence the secret Inquisition we see later.

Post by The Elder King on Dec 7, 2018 21:27:20 GMT

Teaser/announcement trailers, in regards of Bioware, are not always related to actual game content, or they shown a version of it. From at least ME2 that happened for every game.

One thing, regardless of who the protagonist will be, I think Solas’ plot might be more preminent in the story then some people believe, in terms of ‘space’ related to quests and such, if the decision to focus on the hashtag isn’t any indication.

Post by patriciachr34 on Dec 7, 2018 21:28:54 GMT

Well, in my opinion, it would not be beneficial for the new protagonist to have a direct connection to the Inquisition. If I were Solas, I would have my spies watching the former Inquisition members very closely. The former Inquisition members would probably anticipate this. Therefore, to be effective, the new protagonist must be an outsider.

Post by Artemis on Dec 7, 2018 21:56:47 GMT

I'm for a brand new character. I don't want female Lavellan Solas-romancers to get special content that no one else gets. Every character should meet Solas from the same level. If you're going to gait romances and keep the most important and interesting ones straight, the least you can do is not let that shit carry through into the next game.