Harold, are you the official investigative reporter for all things Vajrayana in the West? Over the years it's seemed like your research into potential Vajrayana charlatans has been such a full-time preoccupation for you, I wonder if you even have time to practice?

Funny, when people like henry from the old E-Sangha (and also a member here) used to have a website on 'frauds' that went into oblivion and as I recall, there were threats to sue him I think, no one tossed him this question? Or was it because he was a Mod back then?

Don't refuse to answer any questions about it when you are asked to explain it.

I mean, anyone who cares if someone is a tulku or not. It's no different than saying I dreamt I was a millionaire last night and then going out and spending the money.

All I am am saying about Lama Tashi Dhondup is that he seems to have the qualities of a realized teacher, at least as far as my deluded mind can judge these things. Whether or not he's a tulku doesn't matter. That's just someone's opinion about what he did in a previous life. Who should care about something like that?

Are you for real? You think are you an expert but yet you have no grasp of simple terminology such as tulku, rinpoche, heart son, etc., what does any of this have to do with your Dharma practice? Do these games create the causes and conditions for enlightened mind?

I don't think it is so bad what Harold is doing. We all believe the Guru is paramount in Tibetan Buddhism. Now, many of us might be aware there are many "Guru's" who don't deserve the title but, at the same time, there are many who don't know that. For them, it is a good thing people like Harold are out there. Even if it means our precious Buddhism might get scrutinized in ways we are not really comfortable with. Also, Harold claims to have 23 years of experience with investigating Cults and Con Artists so he has probably seen the damage both can do. That damage can just as easily be done by someone wearing a Tibetan skin as by someone wearing a white skin.

I agree that some prudent investigation ought to be done by persons who wish to take instruction from someone, but this appears more than that. Why spend so much time on this, Harold? There's more that can be done with your life than this! Lucky you that you're retired from policing (I'm still at the grind); use the time wisely!

Harold, are you the official investigative reporter for all things Vajrayana in the West? Over the years it's seemed like your research into potential Vajrayana charlatans has been such a full-time preoccupation for you, I wonder if you even have time to practice?

Funny, when people like henry from the old E-Sangha (and also a member here) used to have a website on 'frauds' that went into oblivion and as I recall, there were threats to sue him I think, no one tossed him this question? Or was it because he was a Mod back then?

I guess I never put that question to Henry because most of the time he made posts directly pertaining to Dharma practice and much less frequently about charlatans; plus, the people on his list were virtually all people that were wellll known among Western Buddhists to be full of it. So I was able to tune out most of his fanaticism.

But throughout the years of E-Sangha, then FreeSangha, and then Dharmawheel (and I think now maybe Vajracakra as well), whenever Harold has ever dropped by to post it has always, in every instance, been to raise a stink about some new person that that nobody's even heard of and who he doesn't even have any more than a negative hunch about... He just gets this feeling that they're up to something phony and diabolical and haunts these websites to hunt for evidence, and it's just kinda weird. I get it if you're minding your business, doing your practice, living your life, and you happen to come across someone who's clearly up to no good and harming people... You might feel an ethical and moral obligation to blow the whistle, especially considering what the tantras say about the devastating effects inauthentic "vajra masters" can have on people. But to go searching them out on some never-ending witch hunt? Just rubs me the wrong way I guess.

Pema Rigdzin wrote:...you're minding your business, doing your practice, living your life, and you happen to come across someone who's clearly up to no good and harming people... You might feel an ethical and moral obligation to blow the whistle, especially considering what the tantras say about the devastating effects inauthentic "vajra masters" can have on people. ...

That brings up a question I've been pondering for a while. When you do come across a bogus "vajra master" in your local area, what is the right course of action to follow?Dorje Chang Buddha III has followers in my area and he turns up here occasionally. Flyers for his talks and local monthly meetings appear in the library and announcements are made in the newspaper.

This area has little or no overt Buddhist presence, obviously people don't know the difference, and most probably don't care. So what to do?Write indignant letters to the editor? Rip down the flyers? Crash the meetings? Post nasties on the internet?Do nothing, leaving others to their karma? After all, this guy is a well known fraud, at least in internet circles. Any suggestions?

Pema Rigdzin wrote:...you're minding your business, doing your practice, living your life, and you happen to come across someone who's clearly up to no good and harming people... You might feel an ethical and moral obligation to blow the whistle, especially considering what the tantras say about the devastating effects inauthentic "vajra masters" can have on people. ...

That brings up a question I've been pondering for a while. When you do come across a bogus "vajra master" in your local area, what is the right course of action to follow?Dorje Chang Buddha III has followers in my area and he turns up here occasionally. Flyers for his talks and local monthly meetings appear in the library and announcements are made in the newspaper.

This area has little or no overt Buddhist presence, obviously people don't know the difference, and most probably don't care. So what to do?Write indignant letters to the editor? Rip down the flyers? Crash the meetings? Post nasties on the internet?Do nothing, leaving others to their karma? After all, this guy is a well known fraud, at least in internet circles. Any suggestions?

I'd invite some brawny local pals around for some beers and bourbon and then when they were tanked I would suggest dropping past the centre where the talk was being given (tell them there will be some good looking women/men, depending on their proclivities, there) before going to the local bar where you will treat them to a few more brews. Then, once there, I would challenge DJ3 on his views using some nasty underhanded swipes, and when the thing turned ugly, unleash my pals on the unsuspecting Buddhist geeks. If that doesn' stop DJ3 coming to town again, nothing will!

Yudron wrote:Wow! He's still around? Amazing.

Of course he's still around, he's Dorje Chang, he'll be around forever!

I'll consider a serious reply to your conundrum "justsit" once I finish my practice. Off the top of my head I would invite a real teacher and advertise in exactly the same spots where DJ3 advertises so that, hopefully, some of his students would come to see the real teacher and maybe understand for themselves that they are being dupped.

I'd invite some brawny local pals around for some beers and bourbon and then when they were tanked I would suggest dropping past the centre where the talk was being given (tell them there will be some good looking women/men, depending on their proclivities, there) before going to the local bar where you will treat them to a few more brews. Then, once there, I would challenge DJ3 on his views using some nasty underhanded swipes, and when the thing turned ugly, unleash my pals on the unsuspecting Buddhist geeks. If that doesn' stop DJ3 coming to town again, nothing will!

To Gregkavarnos - Global Moderator re your above statment

Is it policy on this website that you can subject VIOLENCE as a solution to a problem ,even as a joke????

You also missed out on the fact that I promoted assisting people to break the precept on intoxicants and the precept regarding harsh (wrong) speech and the fact that I also recommended to fan the flames of desire in order to motivate the thugs.

gregkavarnos wrote:I'll consider a serious reply to your conundrum "justsit" once I finish my practice. Off the top of my head I would invite a real teacher and advertise in exactly the same spots where DJ3 advertises so that, hopefully, some of his students would come to see the real teacher and maybe understand for themselves that they are being dupped.

Is this a reference to Dorje Chang Buddha III? If so, she's female. At least I think she is.

gregkavarnos wrote:I'll consider a serious reply to your conundrum "justsit" once I finish my practice. Off the top of my head I would invite a real teacher and advertise in exactly the same spots where DJ3 advertises so that, hopefully, some of his students would come to see the real teacher and maybe understand for themselves that they are being dupped.

Is this a reference to Dorje Chang Buddha III? If so, she's female. At least I think she is.