Stats will never show what a defensive linemen does in the 3-4. Shaun Ellis didn't control the line of scrimmage the way Seymour did. Ellis did a good job, no doubt, but he is part of the run defense problem...not the biggest part, obviously, but a part of it.

Not saying that Ellis is as good as Seymour in the 3-4. But dont you think that kind of the reason that Ellis didnt dominate the line is because he was the only threat on the line? When Seymour had Warren, and Wilfork with him. When Warren didnt play against us the 2nd time, thats when we beat them. Though Seymour ended up coming out, but still we were winning when he did. Seymour is injury prone too, he played only 2 full seasons during his career. Atleast he is sort of injury prone. Plus Seymour is more built for the 3-4, Ellis is a better pass rusher, but Seymour is better verse the run, he is bigger then Ellis. Ellis gained weight though, I heard he weighed in over 295 at the begginning of the season, Seymour is over 310. Man though, if I could take one person from the Pats defense it would be Seymour in a heart beat!

Not saying that Ellis is as good as Seymour in the 3-4. But dont you think that kind of the reason that Ellis didnt dominate the line is because he was the only threat on the line? When Seymour had Warren, and Wilfork with him. When Warren didnt play against us the 2nd time, thats when we beat them. Though Seymour ended up coming out, but still we were winning when he did. Seymour is injury prone too, he played only 2 full seasons during his career. Atleast he is sort of injury prone. Plus Seymour is more built for the 3-4, Ellis is a better pass rusher, but Seymour is better verse the run, he is bigger then Ellis. Ellis gained weight though, I heard he weighed in over 295 at the begginning of the season, Seymour is over 310. Man though, if I could take one person from the Pats defense it would be Seymour in a heart beat!

Yeah...exactly...

I'm not bashing Ellis, I think he's a good player...and he's been more than adequate in the 3-4. But he still isn't a perfect fit for it....and contrary to what everyone is saying I heard he actually slimmed down in the offseason? Correction?

I think Ellis is a fine starter for us and should continue to be for another couple years. But he is 30 years old...and we could definitely use a bigger body to rotate in with Ellis...in my opinion.

are u kidding me. brnahs can do everything well. i didn;t knwo that being good at everything and having a balanced attack was a bad thing. btw okeye is nice but people are overrating him cuz he's a 20 year old senior and you probably only watched him the is the bowl game. he just had a really good game but there are some games where he doesn;t do much but i would love to have okye as well but no way in hell is he better than bransh.

are u kidding me. brnahs can do everything well. i didn;t knwo that being good at everything and having a balanced attack was a bad thing. btw okeye is nice but people are overrating him cuz he's a 20 year old senior and you probably only watched him the is the bowl game. he just had a really good game but there are some games where he doesn;t do much but i would love to have okye as well but no way in hell is he better than bransh.

"Branch just is not a big time playmaker. He is not an explosive penetrator and will not make many plays on his own. He also needs to continue to refine his technique as he can rely on his size too much to make plays."--Robert Davis

"Branch just is not a big time playmaker. He is not an explosive penetrator and will not make many plays on his own. He also needs to continue to refine his technique as he can rely on his size too much to make plays."--Robert Davis