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Funny you say this, while I actually love the super bright rings on the X5 and 5 Series, my spouse hates them & says they look cheap, tacky & 'Japanese aftermarket'...and much, much prefers the creamy yellow, halogen factory Corona Rings on the F01. Different strokes for different strokes.

I agree with your spouse and that's exactly what came to my mind when I first saw a new X5 driving at night. It's the same issue with the LCI e92, the light displacement looks like it's all over the place and basically floods out the xenons making them look like aftermarket lights.

That's why I wanted to know if these aftermarket replacements will give that "aftermarket" look at night.

OK So I've waited awhile before I posted since I wanted to give Mtec a chance to see if they could correct the issue but I am sorry to say I'm getting errors on both lights and they are not as bright as most of you would like them to be.

When I first got them I only got an error on one side so they sent me a replacement and then all was fine for about a week.

I then started to get errors for both sides. These are the new ones also so I don't think this is the way to go...atleast it's not for my car.

OK So I've waited awhile before I posted since I wanted to give Mtec a chance to see if they could correct the issue but I am sorry to say I'm getting errors on both lights and they are not as bright as most of you would like them to be.

When I first got them I only got an error on one side so they sent me a replacement and then all was fine for about a week.

I then started to get errors for both sides. These are the new ones also so I don't think this is the way to go...atleast it's not for my car.

I ordered the same LED kit beamlord installed on his car (btw, thanks for all your help) which I received today. The install was simple but what a difference a pair of bulbs make. I've very impressed with the lights and best part is there's no error codes!

I ordered the same LED kit beamlord installed on his car (btw, thanks for all your help) which I received today. The install was simple but what a difference a pair of bulbs make. I've very impressed with the lights and best part is there's no error codes!

Here's a few pics I posted over on the other forum;

Stock:

LED:

Looks good!

I am still fokin amazed that BMW did nit see fit to begin using LEDs on their Flagship model 7 Series??? I means It's "common sense". I mean they did the exact opposite: 3's, 5's, 6's then the 7.... WTF?
Just one more mod I have to do when I snag my 10' ///M Sport F01 soon...

So some bad news....I decided to remove the bulbs because the bulbs aren't bright enough as DRL's. Sucks but it looks like the only real fix to get LEDs is going down the OEM route. If anyone wants to buy the bulbs off me just PM me.

So some bad news....I decided to remove the bulbs because the bulbs aren't bright enough as DRL's. Sucks but it looks like the only real fix to get LEDs is going down the OEM route. If anyone wants to buy the bulbs off me just PM me.

Looks like 20 watts per side anD that wasn't bright enough? Seemed brighter than the OEM ones.

Didn't see it in earlier posts but has anyone tried to just retrofit the LED AE bulbs out of an F10?

Looks like 20 watts per side anD that wasn't bright enough? Seemed brighter than the OEM ones.

Didn't see it in earlier posts but has anyone tried to just retrofit the LED AE bulbs out of an F10?

In the sun you can barely make out the angel eyes, when you get a bit of shade you can make them out. I believe someone explained it's the color of the bulbs and that's the reason why they wash out when it's bright out.

In the sun you can barely make out the angel eyes, when you get a bit of shade you can make them out. I believe someone explained it's the color of the bulbs and that's the reason why they wash out when it's bright out.

Yeah I think I wrote about that. It's pure physics. The 4-5k light is percieved just as daylight by our eyes, which means unless the light source is considerably brighter, you do not see them in the daylight as you would see yellowish lights with even less luminance.
Anyway, it's a matter of personal choice of course. The LED's are absolutely beautiful at dusk/dawn, on rainy days, in the shade. But they're barely visible in sunlight on a bright day. So one has to choose what's best for his car.

Yeah I think I wrote about that. It's pure physics. The 4-5k light is percieved just as daylight by our eyes, which means unless the light source is considerably brighter, you do not see them in the daylight as you would see yellowish lights with even less luminance.
Anyway, it's a matter of personal choice of course. The LED's are absolutely beautiful at dusk/dawn, on rainy days, in the shade. But they're barely visible in sunlight on a bright day. So one has to choose what's best for his car.

Yup, it sucks, guess we can't have the best of both worlds because in cloudy, during the evening and at night the lights look amazing.

Yup, it sucks, guess we can't have the best of both worlds because in cloudy, during the evening and at night the lights look amazing.

Here's what the LCI lights look like during the day;

While a reasonable explanation, it still doesn't make sense to me. The F10 LED angel eyes are clearly visible during the daylight and I assume that they are in the same color range (5K?).

Since both are LED it can only translate into wattage or efficiency of the light transmission into the rings (as it seems that the F10 has a different design with the LED's placed at the bottom of the AE's). Why can't the F10 light output simply be replicated with LED?

I would really like to find a good LED solution as it seems that the AlpineMSS HID setup is causing all kinds of problems. Hoping for a solution that you can install and forget.

I believe the halo rings are designed differently in the LCI headlamp housings so maybe that's why the light is projected much brighter.

The issue with the AlpineMSS is basically it's a HID bulb and not an actual LED bulb so not only does it run hot but overtime your rings and housing might turn yellow from all the heat that it generates. I know owners of other models with this kit have had concerns about the heat.

I believe the halo rings are designed differently in the LCI headlamp housings so maybe that's why the light is projected much brighter.

The issue with the AlpineMSS is basically it's a HID bulb and not an actual LED bulb so not only does it run hot but overtime your rings and housing might turn yellow from all the heat that it generates. I know owners of other models with this kit have had concerns about the heat.

Exactly. It's the design of the rings that's key to light conductivity. The "old" ones are not effective and you lose most of the luminance of the LED's, plus the daylight argument.

Obviously, if your light source is bright enough, you will see it fine in the daylight even if it has the same Kelvin number as daylight.