I don't know about you, but I'm not part of that 2%, nor do I know anyone who is, but I make a decent paycheck and I pay my taxes. If there are 2% of the population who has 90% of the wealth...well..so far it's not affecting me or anyone else I know. Money does NOT equal happiness.

Originally Posted By: MacBozo

Go back to the corporate tax thread. It specifically points out that no job creation occurred from it previously. If it didn't work then, it won't work now.

From it, I'm guessing corporate tax? Wait..I'm lost because you talk about individuals but then switch to corporations. I guess I better read that other thread even though, once again, I feel like we are going off topic.

Originally Posted By: MacBozo

I suppose you'd rather pay 10 times welfare for incarceration of folks who are denied a living wage through no fault of their own?

There seems to be discontent among blacks from a small real life sampling I've experienced. My job takes me to many different areas of town, and as a result I get to experience many different real life view points, not just what I read here or what I get through the media.

Not the only one, but the most recent situation, I went on a call the other day at a pawn shop, make as many good iMacs out of 9 non-functioning ones as possible, was able to get 2. It's in a part of town affectionately called Uzi Alley. Bars on the windows of the shops in the area, heavy steel doors. A nice elderly black gentleman owns the shop, but I worry going there even during the day, only park on the main drag, not in back, and make sure that I have left before dark. A white guy with a pony tail and laptop bag walking around there turns some heads. Since I don't carry it's really kind of unnerving, I do get stared at.

Two different friends of the owner that stopped by while I was there both expressed their disappointment with Obama, and what alternatives there may be the next election. He doesn't seem to be hitting his core supporters even.

Like I said I get around to a lot of different parts of town, and this isn't the first conversation I've heard recently along those lines.

Pardon me, John, but perhaps you need to re-read my comment. I said up front and in closing that my example was an oversimplification. And as such tax discontent becomes a far more general condition wherein taxes or just more taxes become one in the same. No quick assumptions and no misquotes. In fact, no quotes at all. And I did acknowledge that the real tax code we are burdened with is not acceptable. So take a chill pill. In fact, take two — they're small.

Good grief! Yes John, I responded to you. I addressed you. I mentioned you by name, because I was addressing your comments — not Michael's. So indeed, what were you to think? Why, that I responded to you. I addresses you. I mentioned you by name, because I was addressing your comments. Who'd a thunk?

I mentioned you by name, because I was addressing your comments.[/i] Who'd a thunk?

Which goes BACK to what I posted in response:

Originally Posted By: John Rougeux

Steve,when and where did I say that I object to taxes? Seriously...please show me. I DID say this:

Originally Posted By: John Rougeux

So...that's one example. But it shows that it goes from big corporations to the ordinary person out there...we don't like to pay taxes.

and this:

Originally Posted By: John Rougeux

Paying more taxes means less money in your bank. Less money means less able to purchase what you want or travel or whatever.

Now please, show me where I said I objected to taxes? I don't like to pay MORE, but nowhere does it say that I objected to paying ANY taxes.

So please do me a favor, READ my posts before making a quick assumption, it's a bit sophomoric, to quote someone who shall be unnamed.

I know how taxes work and I know how they are needed to keep a country running.

And perhaps you were talking about this single sentence you posted?

Originally Posted By: steveg

And as such tax discontent becomes a far more general condition wherein taxes or just more taxes become one in the same.

Can you dumb this down for me please? Because I surely do not want to misunderstand you.

Again, taxes weren't part of the original discussion, but it seems to have thrown it off on a tangent.

Just to be PERFECTLY clear, I have NO problems with taxes. I don't LIKE paying more, but obviously, if I have to, I have NO choice, unless I want to go to prison.

Michael threw in a link to his thread about corporations using off shore accounts to avoid taxes. That is how things went this direction. I guess when you can't argue the others, why not go with something you know?

I think a flat tax should be the way to go. You pay x% of your income, period. BUT, problem with that is that who would want to go out there and earn more money when you have to pay whatever % in taxes?

I'm baffled by the question. The answer is obvious... the more you earn, the more you have.

Studies have shown John there were people like that. However the VAST majority of the failures were due to greedy lenders who'd approve a dead dog for a loan to get the fee. In addition, many of the "over-reachers" were misled by loan agents convincing them they could afford it... but the vast majority was down right fraud by some lenders who bundled the toxic loans and lied (committed fraud) on forms about clients credentials.

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