Orlando Pace has frequently been the player the St. Louis Rams had to do without in training camp. So the seven-time Pro Bowl lineman has an idea what it's like for contract holdout Steven Jackson, absent for a second day on Saturday.

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Pace missed all of two training camps and most of a third due to contentious contract negotiations, starting with his rookie season in 1997 after being the first overall pick of the draft. He missed being with the team, but definitely didn't miss a routine that can be numbing.

Even though Pace should help the Rams’ offensive line and thus, Jackson and quarterback Marc Bulger, oddsmakers still aren’t crazy about their chances in 2008-09. Oddsmakers from online sports book SBG Global have listed the Rams’ odds to win the 2009 Super Bowl at 70/1.

Oddsmakers aren’t wild about St. Louis’s odds to win the NFC West Division either. While the Seattle Seahawks are 5/6 favorites to win the West this year, the Rams have 5/1 odds, which are fourth best in the division.

Still though, a healthy Pace will only help the St. Louis Rams in 2009.

``It's not about money, it's not about Pro Bowls and that type of thing, you just want to win because there's nothing like playing in the playoffs and the Super Bowl.''

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