Original Quill wrote:It's of no importance. A government shut-down only closes down the Military.

That's a good thing, right?

So naive

We need the US to be a counter balance to Totalitarian super power states

I mean people like you Quill seriously do not live in the real world

This proxy war has been going on since the second World War and in reality, this military spending has prevented any further world wars. As the realty is, there is Totalitarian nations. That without the US puting them in check, would take advantage. We have already seen them try to be underhanded, by influencing fake news.

This is why you are naive, as the realityis neither Russia or China can face the US militarilly and thus tries to undermine its people and sadly its working. They want to have their own way and influence many countries and they are succeding. The US military capabilities is the last line of defense against this.

Original Quill wrote:It's of no importance. A government shut-down only closes down the Military.

That's a good thing, right?

So naive

We need the US to be a counter balance to Totalitarian super power states

I mean people like you Quill seriously do not live in the real world

This proxy war has been going on since the second World War and in reality, this military spending has prevented any further world wars. As the realty is, there is Totalitarian nations. That without the US puting them in check, would take advantage. We have already seen them try to be underhanded, by influencing fake news.

This is why you are naive, as the realityis neither Russia or China can face the US militarilly and thus tries to undermine its people and sadly its working. They want to have their own way and influence many countries and they are succeding. The US military capabilities is the last line of defense against this.

We need the US to be a counter balance to Totalitarian super power states

I mean people like you Quill seriously do not live in the real world

This proxy war has been going on since the second World War and in reality, this military spending has prevented any further world wars. As the realty is, there is Totalitarian nations. That without the US puting them in check, would take advantage. We have already seen them try to be underhanded, by influencing fake news.

This is why you are naive, as the realityis neither Russia or China can face the US militarilly and thus tries to undermine its people and sadly its working. They want to have their own way and influence many countries and they are succeding. The US military capabilities is the last line of defense against this.

Those are correctable errors. Frankly, I've never seen AT&T or General Motors being very provident...especially, given that they have the added burden of profit.

But if your answer is 'NO', you've got to hold the line.

Tell me El Presidente, why can't you buy a new Studebaker, yet you can buy a new Ford?

You seem to have lost the point. The dichotomy is between government and corporate capitalism.

The Republicans have no offer to move anything along. All they offer is three more weeks, whereupon we'll be right back where we are now...with Republicans asking for three more weeks.

I say everybody go home, lock the capital doors, and come back in six months and see if anybody has changed his or her mind. If not, go home for another six months.

Look, I've bought and sold lots of real estate, and sometimes you can't do the deal. Maybe the disagreement is over the value difference; maybe the parties just don't like each other. You've got to leave open the possibility that the deal can never be done. Let the voters deal with the impasse come this November.

Tell me El Presidente, why can't you buy a new Studebaker, yet you can buy a new Ford?

You seem to have lost the point. The dichotomy is between government and corporate capitalism.

The Republicans have no offer to move anything along. All they offer is three more weeks, whereupon we'll be right back where we are now...with Republicans asking for three more weeks.

I say everybody go home, lock the capital doors, and come back in six months and see if anybody has changed his or her mind. If not, go home for another six months.

Look, I've bought and sold lots of real estate, and sometimes you can't do the deal. Maybe the disagreement is over the value difference; maybe the parties just don't like each other. You've got to leave open the possibility that the deal can never be done. Let the voters deal with the impasse come this November.

In the meantime, have a pool party.

Tell me El Presidente, why can't you buy a new Studebaker, yet you can buy a new Ford?

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Tell me El Presidente, why can't you buy a new Studebaker, yet you can buy a new Ford?

You seem to have lost the point. The dichotomy is between government and corporate capitalism.

The Republicans have no offer to move anything along. All they offer is three more weeks, whereupon we'll be right back where we are now...with Republicans asking for three more weeks.

I say everybody go home, lock the capital doors, and come back in six months and see if anybody has changed his or her mind. If not, go home for another six months.

Look, I've bought and sold lots of real estate, and sometimes you can't do the deal. Maybe the disagreement is over the value difference; maybe the parties just don't like each other. You've got to leave open the possibility that the deal can never be done. Let the voters deal with the impasse come this November.

In the meantime, have a pool party.

Tell me El Presidente, why can't you buy a new Studebaker, yet you can buy a new Ford?

You can sure as shit buy you some new Firestone tires for that Ford Explorer of yours, now can't you? And if you don't know that story, let me tell you all about the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire! Hell, they even wrote a song about that one.

If you want the TLDR on that, it's that corporations have so much money that human life doesn't matter. Pick a side, compadre.

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Well, Failing Cheeto-Faced Ferret-Wearing Shit Gibbon told the Democrats in Congress to send him a bill and he would sign it. They did and he refused to sign it, so, Trump is solely responsible for the shutdown.

_________________"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest."- Denis Diderot

It's incredible how dumb the Republicans think the people are. Here are the facts:

1. Republicans hold all three branches of government, including both Houses of Congress, yet they can't manage a simple thing like a budget;2. Republicans claim that the Democrats are to blame because the Senate requires 60 votes on budget matters and they only have 51 Republican senators;3. But, what they don't tell the people is that 5 Republican senators also voted against the budget, so it's all on their shoulders;

It finally fell to pussy-grabber, what the answer is. Change the 60-vote rule. They've got a majority in the Senate, put up that question. They did it for Supreme Court approvals. They have the majority, they can do whatever they want.

The Republicans don't want DACA, even though 80% of the public is in favor of it. The reason they don't want DACA is because Hispanics vote Democratic. The Republicans don't want them as voters.

Original Quill wrote:It's incredible how dumb the Republicans think the people are. Here are the facts:

1. Republicans hold all three branches of government, including both Houses of Congress, yet they can't manage a simple thing like a budget;2. Republicans claim that the Democrats are to blame because the Senate requires 60 votes on budget matters and they only have 51 Republican senators;3. But, what they don't tell the people is that 5 Republican senators also voted against the budget, so it's all on their shoulders;

It finally fell to pussy-grabber, what the answer is. Change the 60-vote rule. They've got a majority in the Senate, put up that question. They did it for Supreme Court approvals. They have the majority, they can do whatever they want.

The Republicans don't want DACA, even though 80% of the public is in favor of it. The reason they don't want DACA is because Hispanics vote Democratic. The Republicans don't want them as voters.

Original Quill wrote:It's incredible how dumb the Republicans think the people are. Here are the facts:

1. Republicans hold all three branches of government, including both Houses of Congress, yet they can't manage a simple thing like a budget;2. Republicans claim that the Democrats are to blame because the Senate requires 60 votes on budget matters and they only have 51 Republican senators;3. But, what they don't tell the people is that 5 Republican senators also voted against the budget, so it's all on their shoulders;

It finally fell to pussy-grabber, what the answer is. Change the 60-vote rule. They've got a majority in the Senate, put up that question. They did it for Supreme Court approvals. They have the majority, they can do whatever they want.

The Republicans don't want DACA, even though 80% of the public is in favor of it. The reason they don't want DACA is because Hispanics vote Democratic. The Republicans don't want them as voters.

is there any evidence available for this claim?

Just out this morning...Washington Post/ABC poll. But the popularity of fixing DACA has been on-going for about a year. It is asked about almost every poll.

Original Quill wrote:It's incredible how dumb the Republicans think the people are. Here are the facts:

1. Republicans hold all three branches of government, including both Houses of Congress, yet they can't manage a simple thing like a budget;2. Republicans claim that the Democrats are to blame because the Senate requires 60 votes on budget matters and they only have 51 Republican senators;3. But, what they don't tell the people is that 5 Republican senators also voted against the budget, so it's all on their shoulders;

It finally fell to pussy-grabber, what the answer is. Change the 60-vote rule. They've got a majority in the Senate, put up that question. They did it for Supreme Court approvals. They have the majority, they can do whatever they want.

The Republicans don't want DACA, even though 80% of the public is in favor of it. The reason they don't want DACA is because Hispanics vote Democratic. The Republicans don't want them as voters.

Well, old boy, since the Pussy Grabber appears to have made such a monumental balls-up of the governance of the, er, United States of America, I think that I might humbly suggest that you allow your former colonial masters to re-assume control of your country; admit that the War of Independence was just a silly mistake and that you should declare our dear Lizzie as your Head of State and accept the appointment of a United Kingdom Viceroy as your Supreme Governor.

I would be quite happy to accept this role and onerous duty in return for a personal Humvee and free hot dogs for life. Oh, and a complimentary season pass to Busch Gardens....

Tell me El Presidente, why can't you buy a new Studebaker, yet you can buy a new Ford?

You can sure as shit buy you some new Firestone tires for that Ford Explorer of yours, now can't you? And if you don't know that story, let me tell you all about the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire! Hell, they even wrote a song about that one.

If you want the TLDR on that, it's that corporations have so much money that human life doesn't matter. Pick a side, compadre.

I asked the question twice, and didn't get an answer.

It's been so long since I asked it, I think I forgot why I asked it?

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Lurker wrote:Well, Failing Cheeto-Faced Ferret-Wearing Shit Gibbon told the Democrats in Congress to send him a bill and he would sign it. They did and he refused to sign it, so, Trump is solely responsible for the shutdown.

Congress hasn't passed shit.

Why are so many Americans on this forum so poorly informed?

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Original Quill wrote:It's incredible how dumb the Republicans think the people are. Here are the facts:

1. Republicans hold all three branches of government, including both Houses of Congress, yet they can't manage a simple thing like a budget;2. Republicans claim that the Democrats are to blame because the Senate requires 60 votes on budget matters and they only have 51 Republican senators;3. But, what they don't tell the people is that 5 Republican senators also voted against the budget, so it's all on their shoulders;

It finally fell to pussy-grabber, what the answer is. Change the 60-vote rule. They've got a majority in the Senate, put up that question. They did it for Supreme Court approvals. They have the majority, they can do whatever they want.

The Republicans don't want DACA, even though 80% of the public is in favor of it. The reason they don't want DACA is because Hispanics vote Democratic. The Republicans don't want them as voters.

Well, old boy, since the Pussy Grabber appears to have made such a monumental balls-up of the governance of the, er, United States of America, I think that I might humbly suggest that you allow your former colonial masters to re-assume control of your country; admit that the War of Independence was just a silly mistake and that you should declare our dear Lizzie as your Head of State and accept the appointment of a United Kingdom Viceroy as your Supreme Governor.

I would be quite happy to accept this role and onerous duty in return for a personal Humvee and free hot dogs for life. Oh, and a complimentary season pass to Busch Gardens....

Fancy the job of my Attorney General?

While California was never part of your empire, you can have it. That move right there would solve a great deal.of our problems.

_________________Disobedience is the true foundation of liberty. The obedient must be slaves.

Original Quill wrote:It's incredible how dumb the Republicans think the people are. Here are the facts:

1. Republicans hold all three branches of government, including both Houses of Congress, yet they can't manage a simple thing like a budget;2. Republicans claim that the Democrats are to blame because the Senate requires 60 votes on budget matters and they only have 51 Republican senators;3. But, what they don't tell the people is that 5 Republican senators also voted against the budget, so it's all on their shoulders;

It finally fell to pussy-grabber, what the answer is. Change the 60-vote rule. They've got a majority in the Senate, put up that question. They did it for Supreme Court approvals. They have the majority, they can do whatever they want.

The Republicans don't want DACA, even though 80% of the public is in favor of it. The reason they don't want DACA is because Hispanics vote Democratic. The Republicans don't want them as voters.

Well, old boy, since the Pussy Grabber appears to have made such a monumental balls-up of the governance of the, er, United States of America, I think that I might humbly suggest that you allow your former colonial masters to re-assume control of your country; admit that the War of Independence was just a silly mistake and that you should declare our dear Lizzie as your Head of State and accept the appointment of a United Kingdom Viceroy as your Supreme Governor.

I would be quite happy to accept this role and onerous duty in return for a personal Humvee and free hot dogs for life. Oh, and a complimentary season pass to Busch Gardens....

Fancy the job of my Attorney General?

Actually, we offered the job to Bonnie Prince Charles in 1775. He turned it down. So what has changed that Liz I (Scotland) & II (England) would accept?

Attorney General is fine, but I would prefer Steward of the Liquor Cabinet.

Well, old boy, since the Pussy Grabber appears to have made such a monumental balls-up of the governance of the, er, United States of America, I think that I might humbly suggest that you allow your former colonial masters to re-assume control of your country; admit that the War of Independence was just a silly mistake and that you should declare our dear Lizzie as your Head of State and accept the appointment of a United Kingdom Viceroy as your Supreme Governor.

I would be quite happy to accept this role and onerous duty in return for a personal Humvee and free hot dogs for life. Oh, and a complimentary season pass to Busch Gardens....

Fancy the job of my Attorney General?

While California was never part of your empire, you can have it. That move right there would solve a great deal.of our problems.

Absolutely right, my friend. The main problem was that the railway hadn't been invented back then and because British buttocks are physiologically incapable of withstanding more that 50 miles on horseback without becoming terminally numb, we never got as far as California.

I must say, though, that having been there I quite like it...if only because Santa Barbara is somewhat more exotic and exciting than Milton Keynes!

(Ps: Let's face it, anywhere is more exotic and exciting than Milton Keynes........)

Fred Moletrousers wrote:Well, old boy, since the Pussy Grabber appears to have made such a monumental balls-up of the governance of the, er, United States of America, I think that I might humbly suggest that you allow your former colonial masters to re-assume control of your country; admit that the War of Independence was just a silly mistake and that you should declare our dear Lizzie as your Head of State and accept the appointment of a United Kingdom Viceroy as your Supreme Governor.I would be quite happy to accept this role and onerous duty in return for a personal Humvee and free hot dogs for life. Oh, and a complimentary season pass to Busch Gardens....

Fancy the job of my Attorney General?

No !! I'll do it. Give me the job! - in exchange for a couple of delicious corndogs, slice of apple pie, and a dram of american whiskey.

I would make random crotch-grabbing by males compulsory as no one cares when the president does it. However I would make wardrobe malfunctions at superbowl an imprisonable offence.

Hey I'm just going by public reaction to said deeds.

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Well, old boy, since the Pussy Grabber appears to have made such a monumental balls-up of the governance of the, er, United States of America, I think that I might humbly suggest that you allow your former colonial masters to re-assume control of your country; admit that the War of Independence was just a silly mistake and that you should declare our dear Lizzie as your Head of State and accept the appointment of a United Kingdom Viceroy as your Supreme Governor.

I would be quite happy to accept this role and onerous duty in return for a personal Humvee and free hot dogs for life. Oh, and a complimentary season pass to Busch Gardens....

Fancy the job of my Attorney General?

Actually, we offered the job to Bonnie Prince Charles in 1775. He turned it down. So what has changed that Liz I (Scotland) & II (England) would accept?

Attorney General is fine, but I would prefer Steward of the Liquor Cabinet.

Age, old boy, age. Her Maj is brilliant and would sort things out tout suite, as the Froggies would say (the buggers still haven't got over Agincourt!) but she's getting on a bit. I'll do it, though....but Steward of the Liquor Cabinet is out.A definite no-no. That goes with the Viceroy's job!

You could, of course, apply for the appointment of Steward of the Stool; an ancient and honourable Tudor position that meant that the holder was responsible for wiping the royal... (you just don't want to know the rest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Fred Moletrousers wrote:Well, old boy, since the Pussy Grabber appears to have made such a monumental balls-up of the governance of the, er, United States of America, I think that I might humbly suggest that you allow your former colonial masters to re-assume control of your country; admit that the War of Independence was just a silly mistake and that you should declare our dear Lizzie as your Head of State and accept the appointment of a United Kingdom Viceroy as your Supreme Governor.I would be quite happy to accept this role and onerous duty in return for a personal Humvee and free hot dogs for life. Oh, and a complimentary season pass to Busch Gardens....

Fancy the job of my Attorney General?

No !! I'll do it. Give me the job! - in exchange for a couple of delicious corndogs, slice of apple pie, and a dram of american whiskey.

I would make random crotch-grabbing by males compulsory as no one cares when the president does it. However I would make wardrobe malfunctions at superbowl an imprisonable offence.

Fred Moletrousers wrote:Well, old boy, since the Pussy Grabber appears to have made such a monumental balls-up of the governance of the, er, United States of America, I think that I might humbly suggest that you allow your former colonial masters to re-assume control of your country; admit that the War of Independence was just a silly mistake and that you should declare our dear Lizzie as your Head of State and accept the appointment of a United Kingdom Viceroy as your Supreme Governor.I would be quite happy to accept this role and onerous duty in return for a personal Humvee and free hot dogs for life. Oh, and a complimentary season pass to Busch Gardens....

Fancy the job of my Attorney General?

No !! I'll do it. Give me the job! - in exchange for a couple of delicious corndogs, slice of apple pie, and a dram of american whiskey.

I would make random crotch-grabbing by males compulsory as no one cares when the president does it. However I would make wardrobe malfunctions at superbowl an imprisonable offence.

Fred M. wrote:You could, of course, apply for the appointment of Steward of the Stool; an ancient and honourable Tudor position that meant that the holder was responsible for wiping the royal... (you just don't want to know the rest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Actually, that particular job has been resurrected, only today they call it "Trump-rimming".

It is shared by the Republican Speaker of the House and Republican Majority Leader in the Senate, although the Vice President, as President of the Senate, can nose his way in for ceremonial occasions.