Given Boyette's history, and tweets I can see her not being on the "same page" no matter how that was determined. However, I've never heard or seen anything about Young that suggests a lack of "commitment or passion." (Of course, there were those who questioned her talent level....)

With Young it may be that Stocks had a sitdown with her about her future with the team. Maybe she offered her an extension but Young indicated she'd like to go to ATL (as Nerd so rudely put it "ever had a girlfriend?") People always want to know why things happen, and since we are rarely given complete explanations, that's where speculation comes in.

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In fact, against the Dream she seemed to often get into Angel head.

I think you can hate somebody as an opponent but respect them as a teammate. Part of it may have been how well Young defended McCoughtry. If that's not the case, then Cooper really messed up, huh?

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It's an odd situation for Young to end up back in Atlanta and I guess private matters might be driving factor. Not sure why the Dream wanted her because we already have lots of wings, unless it was sort a tryout to decide if we ought to try to sign her for next season. Or maybe it is insurance in case Angel decides she likes taking summer's off (or gets traded). BTW - my biggest and most disliked business opponent later became a team mate and we got along quite well so it can happen.

BTW - Angel's Ice Cream shop got top billing on the first page of the Living Section in today's Atlanta Journal in an article about where to go for the best ice cream.

There's things potentially more lucrative happening for Young in ATL (reality tv), but she can still have basketball as a safety net with the Dream.

For Cooper, he probably figured Young would help with a playoff push this year more than Hooper. Cooper is obviously in win-now mode. Can you blame him? He's got this hot PG, an all star SG, a ROY candidate, and a decent center, but thin at post. He doesn't want this season to go to waste, but things better start clicking again.

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Amber Stocks was playing her 18 to 40 minutes a game (average 29 minutes) this year, so it seems like she didn't think she was that bad either. There would have to be some other side to the story for a coach to force a player that they were playing 29 minutes a game into a trade.

Clearly, the Sky (10-16) are trying to pull off a difficult feat: win now while building for the future. Sky coach and general manager Amber Stocks doesn’t seem too bothered by the degree of difficulty.

“There definitely are challenges with that,” Stocks told the Sun-Times, “however, I wouldn’t say it’s hard to do both.”

They can just have the Dream play the lottery for them, while they enter the playoff race. What's Slooty's opinion of the playoffs? "It's a whole new season."

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That sentiment goes against conventional wisdom. Usually, teams decide to either go for wins or look to the future because it’s not easy to do both simultaneously.

But Stocks isn’t seeing things that way, and she likes how her team is approaching the task at hand.

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“The players that we have on this team are very focused, and we’re all on the same page as far as our commitment and our passion,” Stocks said. “That helps everybody see the same picture and have similar goals in mind."

I dunno... something tells me Stocks may have noticed Boyette retweeting and liking the notion of her getting traded. That would indicate everyone not being on the same page on commitment, or it may have been obvious even without the tweeting.

I would say Amber Harris has struggled with commitment and focus throughout her glorious WNBA career. Now that Boyette has been traded, she really needs to buckle down and hone that focus or she may become the next Amber Harris with all that unrealized potential.

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“It comes down to the details, no matter how you slice it,’’ Stocks said. ‘‘My focus is on the details and leading, coaching, guiding, managing us to win possessions. When you win possessions, then the results take care of themselves and you win games, then advance to the playoffs.”

Just because a person re tweets something does not mean that they are not on the same page as their teammates. Players re tweet things all of the time. Imani has to develop more offensively. For big players, it takes time.

Amber Stocks was playing her 18 to 40 minutes a game (average 29 minutes) this year, so it seems like she didn't think she was that bad either. There would have to be some other side to the story for a coach to force a player that they were playing 29 minutes a game into a trade.

Could be that Stocks is really myrtle. Trade deadline was her last chance to get rid of Young.

Or maybe Young is the real Poison Pill. Dream haven't won a game since we got her, Sky were on a 3 game losing streak and haven't lost since the trade. Stocks may have known that putting Young in the deal would be addition by subtraction for the Sky and destruction by addition for the Dream.

One interesting note - I don't remember seeing Angel at any games this season, but now she's been to both games since Young joined the team.

Amber Stocks was playing her 18 to 40 minutes a game (average 29 minutes) this year, so it seems like she didn't think she was that bad either. There would have to be some other side to the story for a coach to force a player that they were playing 29 minutes a game into a trade.

Could be that Stocks is really myrtle. Trade deadline was her last chance to get rid of Young.

Or maybe Young is the real Poison Pill. Dream haven't won a game since we got her, Sky were on a 3 game losing streak and haven't lost since the trade. Stocks may have known that putting Young in the deal would be addition by subtraction for the Sky and destruction by addition for the Dream.

One interesting note - I don't remember seeing Angel at any games this season, but now she's been to both games since Young joined the team.

Pure speculation but it could be a mentality thing not a quality of play thing. Young 1st time head coach comes to a new team in turmoil, they struggle out the gate I could see some vets (especially one that has been with the team for a long time) "wanting to help the coach and young players" with a lot of advice and direction that maybe the coach didn't want or solicit, and younger players not sure who to listen to, etc. Combine that with the same coach thinking the young player behind the vet (Copper) shows a lot of promise and wants to increase that players minutes without stepping on a vets toes, so trade the vet somewhere they want to go and everybody wins. Again just pure speculation but maybe similar to what happened with SA and Currie. Just best for everyone involved to go in a different direction.

Could be that Stocks is really myrtle. Trade deadline was her last chance to get rid of Young.

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I never thought of that angle. If so Stocks has a really poor self image. It seems like a weird trade to me, so presumably more behind-the-scenes stuff than we'll probably ever know. And until the draft happens, hard to know how it all turns out.

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For Cooper, he probably figured Young would help with a playoff push this year more than Hooper.

wrong

Care to give us the right answer?

You saying Young won't be as much help as Hooper or that the assumption about what Cooper was thinking was wrong.

Cooper didn't want Young.

Well he obviously wanted her more than Hooper for a playoff push. Can't figure out that Young is better than Hooper? That's a problem. Does anybody think Boyette alone is worth a 2018 first round pick? Hasn't really backed up that notion.

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She's 30 years old

I guess McCoughtry won't be back.

sigur3 wrote:

her contract is expiring

Why is that a problem? If she does great she can get an extension seeing that she probably wants to be in ATL for obvious reasons. If she's not all that then she can carry on. Young has the short term value, and Boyette may have the long term value if they're patient enough. But to say he didn't want Young is inaccurate.

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the Dream have like 16 wing players already.

They wanted to match Chicago's 16 wing players. Nevermind that they swapped wing players so they maintained the same level of wing players.

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But if the Dream wanted Boyette, they had to take Young as well.

Yeah, I bet he had to have his arm twisted to take one of CHI's starters when he's making a playoff push. Let's see, Young got 15 min tonight to Boyette's 3 min.

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Yeah, I bet he had to have his arm twisted to take one of CHI's starters when he's making a playoff push. Let's see, Young got 15 min tonight to Boyette's 3 min.

Chicago clearly wanted to get some value for that contract. Young got 10 minutes tonight btw - you were reading Dantas' stat line. Trading for her made little sense to me since they want Hayes and Sykes out there as much as possible. As for Boyette, Cooper did say that the trade was done to improve their rebounding. But after two games where he played her 16 minutes, there's now two games where she is the last post off the bench and gets 3 minutes. Does this mean he is not happy with her?

Yeah, I bet he had to have his arm twisted to take one of CHI's starters when he's making a playoff push. Let's see, Young got 15 min tonight to Boyette's 3 min.

You are not grasping how a package deal works. Chicago has been trying to trade Young since the beginning of the season, but had no success. Why? Because nobody wanted her straight-up, for the reasons I listed. A minuscule sample size of minutes does not magically go back in time and change that Boyette was the main part of this deal. You can speculate all you want, but these are the facts.

and I'm not replying to the rest of your attempts to break up my post and take what I said out of context. Troll harder next time.

So, Chicago gets Dolson, Copper, and Coates in exchange for EDD. Dolson is an All-Star, Copper could be their long-term solution at SF, and Coates has potential. Having Dolson and Coates is what encouraged the Sky to trade Boyette in a deal that probably nets them a lottery pick in a strong draft. Could it be that EDD demanding a trade is the best thing that ever happened to the Sky?

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Yeah, I bet he had to have his arm twisted to take one of CHI's starters when he's making a playoff push. Let's see, Young got 15 min tonight to Boyette's 3 min.

You are not grasping how a package deal works. Chicago has been trying to trade Young since the beginning of the season, but had no success. Why? Because nobody wanted her straight-up, for the reasons I listed. A minuscule sample size of minutes does not magically go back in time and change that Boyette was the main part of this deal. You can speculate all you want, but these are the facts.

and I'm not replying to the rest of your attempts to break up my post and take what I said out of context. Troll harder next time.

Really, she is the perfect fit then for the Dream - which is a team of players nobody else wanted in a city nobody wants to play in.

So, Chicago gets Dolson, Copper, and Coates in exchange for EDD. Dolson is an All-Star, Copper could be their long-term solution at SF, and Coates has potential. Having Dolson and Coates is what encouraged the Sky to trade Boyette in a deal that probably nets them a lottery pick in a strong draft. Could it be that EDD demanding a trade is the best thing that ever happened to the Sky?

Hard to imagine a team trading away a superstar and coming off of it as well as the Sky have.

So, Chicago gets Dolson, Copper, and Coates in exchange for EDD. Dolson is an All-Star, Copper could be their long-term solution at SF, and Coates has potential. Having Dolson and Coates is what encouraged the Sky to trade Boyette in a deal that probably nets them a lottery pick in a strong draft. Could it be that EDD demanding a trade is the best thing that ever happened to the Sky?

Hard to imagine a team trading away a superstar and coming off of it as well as the Sky have.

It's hard to believe, but the team is working so much better without a "star" on the team. Everything seems balanced on the Sky. I'll be interesting to see how Coates fits into the rotation next season.

Yeah, I bet he had to have his arm twisted to take one of CHI's starters when he's making a playoff push. Let's see, Young got 15 min tonight to Boyette's 3 min.

You are not grasping how a package deal works. Chicago has been trying to trade Young since the beginning of the season, but had no success. Why? Because nobody wanted her straight-up, for the reasons I listed. A minuscule sample size of minutes does not magically go back in time and change that Boyette was the main part of this deal. You can speculate all you want, but these are the facts.

and I'm not replying to the rest of your attempts to break up my post and take what I said out of context. Troll harder next time.

There's nothing more trolly than posting "wrong" without explanation, and then coming up with that over an hour later. Yikes. Simple question: does Young help a playoff push more than Hooper does? If so, it would be inaccurate to say as you did "Cooper didn't want Young".

I never said or implied that Young was the main reason for this trade. I said she is more useful than Hooper. Now that's a fact.

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So, Chicago gets Dolson, Copper, and Coates in exchange for EDD. Dolson is an All-Star, Copper could be their long-term solution at SF, and Coates has potential. Having Dolson and Coates is what encouraged the Sky to trade Boyette in a deal that probably nets them a lottery pick in a strong draft. Could it be that EDD demanding a trade is the best thing that ever happened to the Sky?

Hard to imagine a team trading away a superstar and coming off of it as well as the Sky have.

Well, Connecticut got three players for Charles. How are they doing?

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Team USA must be kicking the shit out of themselves with the season Sloot is having.

TBH - I suspect they are so arrogant that they don't really care about it or even know about it.

I also doubt Sloot wanted to wait to 2020 to possibly make an Olympic team.

Plus Geno didn't have the ability or the desire to look into the future to see Sloot playing well in the present day. Sloot wasn't showing out like this in the camps, I'm sure.

And what motivated Sloot to finally play up at this level? Could it be Cappie? Even though the team wasn't winning, Cappie was facilitating like she's never done before. Probably was leading the league in assists early on. Can Sloot maintain this level? That's the question.

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So, Chicago gets Dolson, Copper, and Coates in exchange for EDD. Dolson is an All-Star, Copper could be their long-term solution at SF, and Coates has potential. Having Dolson and Coates is what encouraged the Sky to trade Boyette in a deal that probably nets them a lottery pick in a strong draft. Could it be that EDD demanding a trade is the best thing that ever happened to the Sky?

I doubt it because i dont see them making the WNBA finals or go really far the next 3 years with this format

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Team USA must be kicking the shit out of themselves with the season Sloot is having.

TBH - I suspect they are so arrogant that they don't really care about it or even know about it.

I also doubt Sloot wanted to wait to 2020 to possibly make an Olympic team.

Plus Geno didn't have the ability or the desire to look into the future to see Sloot playing well in the present day. Sloot wasn't showing out like this in the camps, I'm sure.

And what motivated Sloot to finally play up at this level? Could it be Cappie? Even though the team wasn't winning, Cappie was facilitating like she's never done before. Probably was leading the league in assists early on. Can Sloot maintain this level? That's the question.

I think it's mostly just being the focal point of the offense now. Larger role, better numbers.

All of us basement dwellers were saying Team USA needed to take a young PG, but Geno insisted on riding the veterans and letting the next coach deal with the fallout.

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Simple question: does Young help a playoff push more than Hooper does? If so, it would be inaccurate to say as you did "Cooper didn't want Young".

These two things have nothing to do with each other. Cooper did not want to trade for Tamera Young. You can keep nitpicking and arguing timelines with someone who knows people on both sides of the trade if you want, but your assumptions are incorrect. Sorry!

Simple question: does Young help a playoff push more than Hooper does? If so, it would be inaccurate to say as you did "Cooper didn't want Young".

These two things have nothing to do with each other. Cooper did not want to trade for Tamera Young. You can keep nitpicking and arguing timelines with someone who knows people on both sides of the trade if you want, but your assumptions are incorrect. Sorry!

Simple question: does Young help a playoff push more than Hooper does? If so, it would be inaccurate to say as you did "Cooper didn't want Young".

These two things have nothing to do with each other. Cooper did not want to trade for Tamera Young. You can keep nitpicking and arguing timelines with someone who knows people on both sides of the trade if you want, but your assumptions are incorrect. Sorry!

So are you saying the conversation went like this:

Cooper "Boyette and your 2nd for Dream No. 1 and Hooper"

Stocks "No. You have to take Young too."

The trade was initiated by Chicago actually. And the 2nd-round pick was a sweetener to ensure that it actually got done.

Simple question: does Young help a playoff push more than Hooper does? If so, it would be inaccurate to say as you did "Cooper didn't want Young".

These two things have nothing to do with each other. Cooper did not want to trade for Tamera Young. You can keep nitpicking and arguing timelines with someone who knows people on both sides of the trade if you want, but your assumptions are incorrect. Sorry!

So are you saying the conversation went like this:

Cooper "Boyette and your 2nd for Dream No. 1 and Hooper"

Stocks "No. You have to take Young too."

The trade was initiated by Chicago actually. And the 2nd-round pick was a sweetener to ensure that it actually got done.

So the trade negotiations were more like?
Amber Stocks: I'm willing to give you Imani Boyette for A'ja Wilson or Kelsey Mitchell
Michael Cooper: Give me a 2nd round pick, and it's a deal!

Good as Sloot is, I don't think she will turn Hungary into an Olympic threat.

Well that's a relief. It kinda reminds of when people thought it was the end of the world when Becky Hammon played for the Russian national team. We still have all those young PG candidates we were talking about before Slooty got hot. And now we even have Plum and the rest of the world doesn't. Watch out, world!

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Shades wrote:

Well, Mimi Faust wants her. So yeah, Young definitely wanted to play for ATL.
The city you're describing sounds more like CHI.

She was at the game last night. Until July 31, I had never heard of her. I need to get out of the basement more often I guess.

That observation might help clarify things to less observant.

You can get cable in the basement. In fact, it wouldn't be a basement in the disparaging way Curt Miller intended if the basement didn't include internet.

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Hungry has Sloot and no one else. I wouldn't expect them to make any waves even in the Euros.

Who does Quigley play for?

Also Hungary but they can only choose 1 of them

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So, Chicago gets Dolson, Copper, and Coates in exchange for EDD. Dolson is an All-Star, Copper could be their long-term solution at SF, and Coates has potential. Having Dolson and Coates is what encouraged the Sky to trade Boyette in a deal that probably nets them a lottery pick in a strong draft. Could it be that EDD demanding a trade is the best thing that ever happened to the Sky?

I doubt it because i dont see them making the WNBA finals or go really far the next 3 years with this format

That team that made the finals also had Fowles. They made the finals under the old format and I don't think they would have made it under the one the current Chicago team faces.

I could be wrong but teams can not trade away both their first and second round picks, Atl may have already traded their 2nd round pick (not sure of this either), so for Chicago to get Atl's first round pick they had to send back their 2nd round pick.

I believe something similar happened with the Zahui B trade, NY sent their first round pick to Dallas (#10) for Zahui B, but because NY had already traded their 2nd round pick for Schimmel to Atl (#22) Dallas had to send back their 2nd round pick to NY (#14) so the trade could happen.

There's still no exact date for [Coates'] return but the Sky are hoping for September. The Sky would need to make the playoffs to extend their season and they currently hold the last playoff spot. The WNBA regular season ends September 3rd.

I guess they're not aware of pilight's claim that a player must be signed by August 20 to qualify for the playoffs.

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