Does anybody remember the reason given for the establishment of the DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY during the Carter Administration? Anybody? Anything? No? Didn't think so.

Bottom line... we've spent several hundred billion dollars in support of an agency the reason for which not one person who reads this can remember. Ready? It was very simple, and at the time everybody thought it very appropriate.

The Department of Energy was instituted August 4, 1977 to LESSEN OUR DEPENDENCE ON FOREIGN OIL. Pretty efficient, huh?

And now its 2008, 31 years later, and the budget for this necessary department is at $24.2 billion per year, they have 16,000 federal employees, and approximately 100,000 contract employees and LOOK AT THE JOB THEY HAVE DONE!

This is where you slap your forehead say "what was I thinking?"

Ah yes, good ole bureaucracy. And now we are going to turn the banking system over to them? God help us.

Does anybody remember the reason given for the establishment of the DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY during the Carter Administration?

I seem to remember skyrocketing oil prices and an embargo, maybe that had something to do with it. The Yom Kipper war was a couple years before but the embargo had a long lasting affect, Carter sought to respond to it.

Eight days after being sworn in Reagan decontroled the price of oil and we once again were at the mercy of the middle east oil cartel. Remember? Government is the problem? In February the department was reorganised to orient itself more torwards nu-caler energy. April of 86 all regulations on price of interstate gas lifted, another brilliant move leading later to Enron.

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When has government ever improved anything with their involvement

Brilliant, why don't we all live in caves. School was obviously a waste in some circumstances. Check out Somalia, no government there.

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We should be placing our trust in God

Or perhaps one of the 26 ghosts inhabitiing our bodies have become lost and need to be re associated with our physical persons. We need to hire a Pii Ma to have a Sukwan to call the spirits back to our bodies. Or maybe we could trust in the government which our forefathers created and we should be participating in.

Or perhaps one of the 26 ghosts inhabitiing our bodies have become lost and need to be re associated with our physical persons. We need to hire a Pii Ma to have a Sukwan to call the spirits back to our bodies. Or maybe we could trust in the government which our forefathers created and we should be participating in.

I was wondering where you came up with all this nonsense you have been posting on here.
Its those 26 ghost inside you huh?

Civecat, I have tons of faith in my forefathers. I'm pretty sure my family and new state didn't even trust the newly formed government. For in my State Constitution you will find this:

[Art.] 10. [Right of Revolution.] Government being instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security, of the whole community, and not for the private interest or emolument of any one man, family, or class of men; therefore, whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.

June 2, 1784

I'm pretty sure my family trusted in God that year as much as it does today. Not its new government to make things right. Yes, participation is 100 percent correct. But the word is participation, to actively work in or with, not to give absolute power to.

The point of this post is that our country's leaders have been preaching independence from foreign oil for 30+ years! A department was put together by a democrat no less, to do exactly what Obama is claiming he will do now. Billions of US $$ have been spent on this department and we are not any closer to independence.

In fact every presidental candidate for the past 30 years has been preaching the same thing (dems & repubs) and we're no closer.

This also ties in with this massive bailout that Detroit wants. I can remember when the new energy dept was put together and there were mandates to the auto industry to improve fuel efficiency. For a short time we actually saw a few cars produced (mostly by Toyota and other foreign manufacturers) that got double the gas mileage that the average Detroit produced vehicle did. Detroit never seemed to get the message, and yet they want a bailout now. Bad business should not be rewarded. The only reason Obama is supporting this bailout is due to the large amount of money he received from the UAW.

When government gets involved it will invariably cost a lot more a lot more money than if private industry takes care of the same function.

And I'm not responding to your other whacky comments. They don't make any sense.

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Brilliant, why don't we all live in caves. School was obviously a waste in some circumstances. Check out Somalia, no government there

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Live in caves?....You first.
School, a waste in some circumstances?........Yes, yours.
Somalia............My point exactly. Our government got involved and screwed it up. Let's take a look at other government involved "improvements" in our lives shall we?

Social Security.........Government involved itself in our retirement. Now older people can look forward to retiring and living on pet food.

Welfare..........Drug dealers and illegal immigrants living on tax dollars while vets go homeless. Abuses of the system and no hope of getting out of same.

As cowgal pointed out the Dept of Energy has sucked up billions and given back nothing. Government involvment again.

Now you want them to run the auto industry, control large banks and financial institutions and to dish out our constitutional rights to us as they see fit?

Schools?.........Just take a look at our institutions of lower learing and tell me they are improved. Violence, drugs and lack of productivity, lower pay for teachers. Government involvment yet again

My original question still stands. When has government improved anthing with it's involvement. Do you have a reasonable intelligent answer or just more remarks about living in caves?

When government gets involved it will invariably cost a lot more a lot more money than if private industry takes care of the same function.

You have put your finger on exactly the change people want. We tried that experiment. People want government to do those things we can't do for ourselves. Regulate markets, save flooded cities, health care as good as the rest of the modern industrialized countries. The free market left unfettered sometimes runs amuck, creating monopolies and subverting out political process.

The economic pricipals of the last 30years have been proven wrong, in 1929 and today.

Finally you show your true colors. Please make sure you give full credit to Mr. Karl Marx for liberating his ideas. These econimic theories have long since proven to be more disasterous than a free market system. Yes we have our ups and downs but what you are suggesting is Marxism and has been proven many times a failure. Your progressing though. Your at least showing what you really are the more frustrated you become. The truth shall set you free!

I have done everything possible to get my kids involved in hunting. Every time out whether it be scouting, camping or during the actual hunt, I will challenge them to find their way back without using any electronics (GPS). Also without a compass. They know by now that I am going to challenge one of them, so right off the bat when leaving our vehicle or camp they will start picking out land marks to help them out. Makes me and them feel confident that if we were to somehow separate that they...