Casey Anthony Indictments “A La Carte”

Surprisingly State Attorney Linda Drane Burdick reported to Judge Perry last week that the State of Florida will rest their case Friday, June 10th, tentatively. I’m not in total agreement with her prediction but I assume it’s possible if Jeff Ashton is hogtied to his seat and gagged, there’s a good chance that this case will carry on swimmingly without his constant interruptions which are time consuming and uncalled for. In my opinion, Jeff Ashton hasn’t brought much to the table in helping Linda Drane Burdick. I’d say he’s more of a nuisance and a good source of entertainment if this was Saturday night’s SNL.

In my last post I posed the question “who killed Caylee”. After about 9 days of testimony all I’ve learned is that Casey is a liar. I learned that she isn’t very law savvy and she doesn’t know when it’s best to keep her mouth shut. If she had a shard of knowledge of the law she would have asked for a lawyer once she was sure that lead detective Yuri Melich knew she didn’t work for Universal Studios. We also heard testimony as to the evidence of a trash bag found in the trunk, its contents and how it properly changed hands. A few experts chimed in with little persuasive information but nothing that I recall as bombshell testimony.

If the trial continues on this useless path and we don’t know beyond a reasonable doubt that it was Caylee Anthony’s villainous, evil mother Casey Anthony who indeed is the murderer then perhaps we should brood over the other charges on the menu.

Casey Anthony Indictments A La Carte

Casey Anthony is charged with first-degree murder, aggravated child abuse, aggravated manslaughter of a child and four (4) counts of providing false information to police.

Florida Prosecutors Burden: What They Must Prove With Admitted Evidence To Win Their Case

The Florida Supreme Court’s website includes the current jury instructions that are to be used in Florida criminal trials. From these instructions you can find each prong of the case, or element of the crime, that must be shown by the reasonable doubt standard. Just surf through.

You can read the section under Homicide and get an idea of the prosecution’s duty here, it’s in somewhat of an outline format but easy enough for following along with the current proceedings.

“There are two ways in which a person may be convicted of first degree murder. One is known as premeditated murder and the other is known as felony murder.

“To prove the crime of First Degree Premeditated Murder, the State must prove the following three elements beyond a reasonable doubt:

“1. (Victim) is dead. (State will have to put in evidence that Caylee Marie Anthony is dead.)

“2. The death was caused by the criminal act of (defendant). (State will have to put in evidence that Casey caused Caylee’s death and this was by a criminal act.)

“3. There was a premeditated killing of (victim). (State will have to put in evidence that this was premeditated.)

“Definitions.

“An “act” includes a series of related actions arising from and performed pursuant to a single design or purpose.

“Killing with premeditation” is killing after consciously deciding to do so. The decision must be present in the mind at the time of the killing. The law does not fix the exact period of time that must pass between the formation of the premeditated intent to kill and the killing. The period of time must be long enough to allow reflection by the defendant. The premeditated intent to kill must be formed before the killing. The question of premeditation is a question of fact to be determined by you from the evidence. It will be sufficient proof of premeditation if the circumstances of the killing and the conduct of the accused convince you beyond a reasonable doubt of the existence of premeditation at the time of the killing. ”What are jury instructions?

Jury instructions take the actual statutes and place them into a format for the jury to use in their deliberations, as they assess the evidence presented to them. There is a charge conference between the lawyers and the judge (at least that’s what we do here in Texas), where the jury instructions are debated by the lawyers and after arguments, finalized by the judge. The charge will include the instuctions as well as question like you hear on Law n Order all the time: “how do you find” type of thing.

For example, here is the Florida statute for murder which can result in a life sentence or the death penalty which you can see dovetailed into the Jury Instructions for Homicide (above):Florida Statutes 782.04

Murder.—
The unlawful killing of a (1)(a) human being:
When perpetrated from a premeditated design to effect the 1. death of the person killed or any human being;
When committed by a person 2. engaged in the perpetration of, or in the attempt to perpetrate, any:
Trafficking offense prohibited by s. a. 893.135(1),
Arson, b.
Sexual c. battery,
Robbery, d.
Burglary, e.
Kidnapping, f.
Escape, g.
Aggravated h. child abuse,
Aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled i. adult,
Aircraft piracy, j.
Unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging k. of a destructive device or bomb,
Carjacking, l.
Home-invasion m. robbery,
Aggravated stalking, n.
Murder of another human o. being,
Resisting an officer with violence to his or her p. person,
Felony that is an act of terrorism or is in furtherance of an act q. of terrorism; or
Which resulted from the unlawful distribution of any 3. substance controlled under s. 893.03(1), cocaine as described in s. 893.03(2)(a)4., opium or any synthetic or natural salt, compound, derivative, or preparation of opium, or methadone by a person 18 years of age or older, when such drug is proven to be the proximate cause of the death of the user,

is murder in the first degree and constitutes a capital felony, punishable as provided in s. 775.082.

In all cases under this section, the procedure set (b) forth in s. 921.141 shall be followed in order to determine sentence of death or life imprisonment. (emphasis added)

The unlawful killing of a human (2) being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual, is murder in the second degree and constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
When a person is killed in the perpetration of, or in the (3) attempt to perpetrate, any:
Trafficking offense prohibited by s. (a) 893.135(1),
Arson, (b)
Sexual (c) battery,
Robbery, (d)
Burglary, (e)
Kidnapping, (f)
Escape, (g)
Aggravated (h) child abuse,
Aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled (i) adult,
Aircraft piracy, (j)
Unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging (k) of a destructive device or bomb,
Carjacking, (l)
Home-invasion (m) robbery,
Aggravated stalking, (n)
Murder of another human (o) being,
Resisting an officer with violence to his or her person, (p) or
Felony that is an act of terrorism or is in furtherance of an act of (q) terrorism,

by a person other than the person engaged in the perpetration of or in the attempt to perpetrate such felony, the person perpetrating or attempting to perpetrate such felony is guilty of murder in the second degree, which constitutes a felony of the first degree, punishable by imprisonment for a term of years not exceeding life or as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated without (4) any design to effect death, by a person engaged in the perpetration of, or in the attempt to perpetrate, any felony other than any:
Trafficking offense (a) prohibited by s. 893.135(1),
Arson, (b)
Sexual (c) battery,
Robbery, (d)
Burglary, (e)
Kidnapping, (f)
Escape, (g)
Aggravated (h) child abuse,
Aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled (i) adult,
Aircraft piracy, (j)
Unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging (k) of a destructive device or bomb,
Unlawful distribution of any substance (l) controlled under s. 893.03(1), cocaine as described in s. 893.03(2)(a)4., or opium or any synthetic or natural salt, compound, derivative, or preparation of opium by a person 18 years of age or older, when such drug is proven to be the proximate cause of the death of the user,
Carjacking, (m)
Home-invasion robbery, (n)
Aggravated (o) stalking,
Murder of another human being, (p)
Resisting an officer with (q) violence to his or her person, or
Felony that is an act of terrorism or (r) is in furtherance of an act of terrorism,

A weapon is a “deadly weapon” if it is used or threatened to be used in a way likely to produce death or great bodily harm.

“Willfully” means knowingly, intentionally, and purposely.

“Maliciously” means wrongfully, intentionally, and without legal justification or excuse. Maliciousness may be established by circumstances from which one could conclude that a reasonable parent would not have engaged in the damaging acts toward the child for any valid reason and that the primary purpose of the acts was to cause the victim unjustifiable pain or injury.

Give in all cases if 1(e) is alleged.

“Child Abuse” means [the intentional infliction of physical or mental injury upon a child] [an intentional act that could reasonably be expected to result in physical or mental injury to a child] [active encouragement of any person to commit an act that results or could reasonably be expected to result in physical or mental injury to a child].

Judge Belvin Perry Jr., Strickland’s boss, had asked Strickland to take on the Caylee Anthony case in the beginning.

Now Judge Perry will preside over the trial and its hearings. He’s also the judge who presided over the Grand jury in Oct. 2008 which indicted Casey Anthony on first degree murder charges charges. He’s heard testimony from state’s witnesses, and is familiar with most of the aspects of this case.

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I could only catch bits of the dog handler’s testimony and saw some of the cross as my laptop kept freezing up. Then, everytime I watch it on HLN, they go to commercial when the defense gets up……… so frustrating, but I felt that baez did damage his credibility a bit at the end, what are the thoughts of the others of you here.

Also, the FBI guy I thought did some damage to the state bec he was pretty neutral at times, again what are the thoughts of the others of you.

blam: Well, my take is that today was good and bad for both sides. The chemist definatley helped the defense. Bloise admits to drying evidence and essentially altering it. That may help the defense. The dog handler seemed a little to eager and was being very difficult. The Judge may as well be on the SAO. The big hurt for defense today is Jason Forgery saying he knew what the smell was. So, now we have 6 I believe that have testified to the smell. The numbers are adding up and the Jury must be wondering how so many people could claim it is human decomp.

The defense needs a plan to debunk this smell testimony. Any LE from anywhere could make this claim accross this country. LE and SAO everywhere must be watching closely to see if they now can just claim they smelled it so therefore , that is proof. I really really really hope the defense can debunk this non scientific testimony.

Okay, based on the local news reports, I would say the defense takes the day. Altering evidence may linger in the headlines for awhile. I also think that if the defense can recall jason later, they can point out that Gurus turns his head and fluffs even when there is no alert. He should be careful about the details.

The video that has the floating body looks to me to be obvious that the helcopter people are directing the find. IMO

So what exactly is Dr V doing? I mean an FBI Chemist is conflicting with his testimony. Some are trying to say it is apples to oranges because it came from different parts of the trunk, but I am not buying it. The state specifically did not send that cannister to Dr R because they didin’t want different results. I can understand that the state was happy with Dr V findings, but the findings were not what one would expect, so why not get a second opinion. Why is the state using the body farm, when the fbi is available to them?

What is the cost difference? Is the FBI more expensive than the body farm? How can LE have the power of the purse available at their finger tips when the FBI is available? I heard it was Yuri that sent the carpet sample to the body farm. Why not the FBI? Let me get this straight, we will send it to the body farm for odor analysys since the FBI doesn’t do that, but while its there and this guy is being paid tons of money, lets have him check it for Chloroform and adipocere….. Seems to me to be purchased evidence. MOO

I am afraid the Judge is going to allow the jury to open the cannister of death and pass it around. That smell may have concentrated a hundred times over by now. I open my thermos bottle from last years camping trip and sure enough, it still smells like coffee. The smell from the fall of 08 is bound to have concentrated over the last 3 years.

There is also the possiblility that the smell isn’t there because it never was there. It would be an oj moment in that event. Very risky move for the State. Very risky move for the Judge. Furthermore, what jurors are decomp experts.

Another point to make is that anyone can say it smells like human decomp because they are using the word like. I could say it looked like a tennis ball, but it was not a tennis ball. That word like changes the whole situation. One needs to say it was the smell of human decomposition to make it valid. When CA says it smelled like a dead body in the car, she is saying “like” . GA is the one that says it smelled of decomposition. IIRC… These play on words should be brought out.

Okay, re the smell……….. we say the count now is 6 that smelled it and it was the odor of decomposition, but what about the police officer (I think it was a woman) who arrived that night and went through the garage and testified that she walked right past the car. And she didn’t mention all this smell, at all. Does anyone remember that? I know I didn’t dream that.

NTS I just dont see how they even allow the jury to smell the”cannister”. Have any of them ever smell decomp before? How can they let them smell it if they don’t know what they are smelling? But with this judge I am sure it will be let in. The only person on that jury that may even have a clue what they are smelling would be the nurse.

@notthatsmart….I don’t think the state would risk the jurors opening the can, I think it would open them to appellate issues. I think it has been said that would allude to the jurors being investigators and are not allowed? I could be wrong. Then again, I do just wonder…if there is no smell there and the state knows the judge wont allow it, so they hype it up knowing they cannot be called in their BS. I agree as well, that why not run all evidence through the FBI, does seem off key, and yes..bought evidence in essence. And I can imagine they didn’t want the FBI chemist testifying to that smell evidence because I don’t feel like he was playing into the states hands, just giving an honest testimony, and they knew this. And all the inflammatory words they use, yes…count on them to be the word masters with their twisting and turning at ever corner of what should e the truth…but will turn away from the truth because it doesn’t support their theory.

Want to know something strange – I can’t get caylee’s death certificate to come up under the death certificate search in the orange county comptroller’s office. I was in there searching deeds and decided to search her death certificate while I was there and it says no records found. Anybody know why that is?

Kathy,
I don’t know, I thought it was strange too
I’m on my laptop now, was on my desktop earlier and tried to post the name I want you to search from here and it still won’t post I don’t understand lol, it’s not a bad name lol, I can’t understand why it won’t accept it?
========================== Steph,
It must have something to with the link. Some of the County links will not allow you to post them.
JB

Misty –
It is tied with the checks, but it’s fraudulent use of personal identification information and without looking it up which I’m feeling really lazy right now lol, personal id I would think would be an ID card so fraud use would be using someone elses you would think but if they weren’t her checks maybe they could get her if she used her own but you wouldn’t think the store would accept her own id with someone elses name on the check

Steph…go in through Footnote.com….type in Caylee’s name and press search….the next page will pop up and it will want you to sign up…don’t….just look where it will say Social Security Death Index–free…….. And her page will pop up. There is picture of her there also.

so what about dc police interview being sealed? It can not stay sealed now can it? I wonder why they sealed it that day. Also, they were allowed to do an investigative subpoena, but I don’t know if they ever did it.

Hi Gas Can,
I’m sorry you can’t see what you’re typing?? What font are you using?
Some ppl aren’t having problems.. It looks like white chalk on a blackboard.
I’ll contact WordPress and see if there’s a way to get rid of the Facebook Log in. WordPress added this feature today so maybe they need feedback because I don’t like it either..
It’s confusing..
I’m so sorry..I’ll see what I can do.

NTS and Kathy!! I didn’t get to see any of today’s trial as I was in the air today enroute and then on the highway. I just got settled in for a look here at the mission! From what you two have said about Reichenbach’s testimony…I have to say it’s about darned time someone with a scientific brain with an iota of common sense stepped up and told the truth. I don’t care how unromantic or UNexciting it is…..science is science. I have been saying that over and over….and other than you guys here (for the most part) everyone seemed to be drinking the fantasy kool aid that made them believe that this “shokcing chloroform evidence” was a nail in Casey’s coffin. It was this ridiculously unscientific testimony of Vass’s that made me believe he was a wacko out for a buck rather than a serious scientist. I’m sure he’s smart…..so smart, in fact, that he isn’t willing to look a gift horse in the mouth….even if it means stretching the truth to sell a vacuum cleaner.

Thank you Omar! That’s exactly what I was thinking. Reichenbach was succinct and to the point. How refreshing!

BTW, I’m liking LKB’s latest mantra, she tells the InSession Talking Heads “you’re drinking too much of the prosecution’s Hater-Aide” LOL Ain’t that the truth.. It’s like Jim Jones all over again…

gascangeorge!! I feel so bad.. Try “shift ++” Maybe it will make the font larger. I just emailed WordPress Support…waiting for a response. This is RIDICULOUS!!
I’m OLD!! I don’t like change !! LOL 😦 And not everyone has a Facebook account or maybe they don’t want to associate WordPress with it?? It should be an option, not a default!

So I just counted 3 people who can’t read their fonts…You, Hazaka, and Damagdpets.
Hang in there sister!! lol

Hi all..JB ugh! having problems with my computer..so using celll phone. Appreciate if you can get this through. i read comments about FBI instead of Vass doing test. since dont have access to my computer cant give a link..But the University of Central Fl UCF..did the tests FIRST and found NEGATIVE results. Then sent to Vass. I have posted the link a few times..I have yet to hear Baez ever bring it up?

Hi Snoop,
Good to see you! I’ll see what I can find from UCF. Hmm.. that figures. That’s why JA went with Vass.
I know one thing..JB is the hardest working attorney I’ve ever come across. I love his tenacity. And he is good. I think he’s doing an excellent job. Mr. Bean should take notes. haha..At least Baez didn’t screw up the stink cans. I hope JP doesn’t resort to can sniffing… OMG. Just another act for the circus!

Yes Snoop! Here they are.. I’m glad you reminded me. I have a feeling JB will use this when the DT presents their case. This is compelling and shows desperation on the part of the SAO’s
Very desperate maneuver!

Submitted on 2011/02/26 at 1:12 am
Also lest we not forget that Michael Sigman from UCF, whom was recommended by Dr Vass before Vass’s involvement.. Collected and tested samples from the trunk and could not conclusively demonstrate that human decomposition had previously been in trunk of casey’s car.
Submitted on 2011/03/25 at 8:31 pm
Zuben..I have continually brought up..Even within the last few days..I continue to
remind everyone..if it was so PREVALENT to Vass..it would be amazing to me that
UCF tested gasses and found nothing of decomposition.
I was relatively surprised that no one
as found interest in it ..everytime I commented..which has been quite a few times.
I just thought no one was interested in the test.LOL
I thought of it as REAL interesting! Although the testing was different.Also know
that Vass is the one who recommended the scientist who tested at UCF. When he
didn’t find anything ..then the body farm tested.
Submitted on 2011/03/25 at 9:32 pm
Good point Snoop. The dates that Vass and UCF got the samples were about the same, within a day or so, right? I think the state hired double experts hoping to find something, anything. They decided to go with the one that was most willing to play the game. They just didn’t bargain on Vass not holding up to cross exam. JB, I agree that I tend to favor the underdog when they are bashed so shamelessly and unfairly, IMO. I don’t think that Baez is too far out of his league though. Yes, he may have much less experience, years under his belt but I think he is doing a fine job of learning what he needs to learn in order to examine and cross examine the witnesses. He is quite an intelligent man with the capability of understanding what he is questioning about. Perhaps that is what tired Vass out, ya think?

Hello all,, trying to catch up,, had to blow the dust off my VCR and been recording every day.
I’m so glad to see so many new open minded folk here!!
Here’s my rant for Tuesday ……
Perhaps I’m missing something other than Perrys obvious bias but what’s the difference between JB wanting to bring Vasses failed attempt to locate human remains at the Manson Ranch in and the state wanting to bring the video of Gurus & his “successful” find of human remains in?
Is there no difference besides one bolsters the credibility of a witness and the other makes a witness look like a nut job?
Now if Vass would have sniffed out a mass grave at the Ranch, think Perry would have allowed the state to force the jury observe the footage??

Dunno if any of yens have morel mushrooms in your state, but up here in Indiana, mushroom hunting is huge in the spring months.
In the summer I’m a metal detecting junkie..lol
Anyhow the last time I went mushroom hunting I jokingly said, “Damn…. What I wouldn’t pay Vass to invent me a mushroom detector!”
Which got me thinking of carbon monoxide detectors radon detectors ..etc…
And we all own these things and they certainly work, only detecting one thing, so this sniffer machine isn’t too far fetched, only it would have to be programmed to detect every compound emitted by a decomposing
body at different intervals.
So maybe , just maybe Vasses grave sniffer is valid, however he did not use his grave sniffer in this case…why?? Because he DID and just did not document it because it gave him negative results, because 90% of the compounds were not there.
Think about it, if he has patents on this grave detector, then it must be somewhat valid….. So why not sniff the trunk or the carpet sample?

JB, maybe you could change back to the other layout that has the white background for those that are having trouble seeing the white on dark background text box.

I really hope Baez brings up the infrared video again to point out Forgey is lying or else if he isn’t, that LE is blind and not even using their more provable tools to their best advantage. They didn’t even need that dog to find the body. All they had to do is open their eyes. But I’m really sure that dog is trying to go away from the body and Forgey is pulling him back in the right direction. And yes, he may have a phone in the other hand. I hope someone on the defense team reads here. After all, we’re getting paid the same as them, we deserve equal respect and attention. 😉 I’ll be missing a lot of the trial today so keep me posted all.

I too think that JB nicely took care of Vass. All he had to do is damage his credibility w/ the jury and I think he did that………….. didn’t he basically say that your database doesn’t include all your findings? Dah, then that would lead one to conclude that it includes the findings that make your study favorable to what you want the conclusion to be. So, 5 hours of listening to the state drone on about all this, only to have theirarmor chinked at in minutes in the cross exam. Sure am hoping that some on the jury see it the way we do.

Now, question? why do those who want to see Casey convicted hate JB so much that they refer to him as “bozo”. I understand that they are tranferring their hatred towards Casey onto him, but is there anything else? I mean it seems so over the top. Thanks for anyone responding to that.

I am ready for this morning, hoping my laptop doesn’t freeze which would force me to watch that terrible channel HLN, which cuts to a commercial every time the defense gets up. How biased is that.

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Indygal said: Think about it, if he has patents on this grave detector, then it must be somewhat valid….. So why not sniff the trunk or the carpet sample?

The patent office only looks to see if you are the first to submit an idea/concept. They do not verify that your proposed solution works or is even viable.

In fact, that is why Vass’s “Fart Sniffer” results should never have been submitted. The machine has never been tested/verified under strict controls to confirm it does what it Vass says it does. Imagine if they send Casey to death row largely on this evidence, then the Forensics Community ultimately determines it does not work (either at all or in all cases).

JP (Hon. Judge Belvin “I’m with the DA” Perry ® ) should be ashamed for allowing it in a courtroom.

Trex –
Basically what I gather about this guys “machine” is that he can say it does anything because it’s his invention, and nobody else invented it and knows exactly what it does or exactly how it works so they can’t dispute it, I mean they can try and dispute it but there is no other exact machine in the world to compare it to. And since it isn’t patentend or it wasn’t tested out by anyone else nobody but vass and his team really know how it works and if it really works at all – is that right?

Steph,
Yes, that’s basically it. New technologies, generally get tested by many scientific labs under strict control conditions to verify its viability, accuracy, etc. Then membership societies of recognized experts in the field will review the test results and decide whether they will endorse the technology. In this case, we have Dr Vass and one guy in Greece saying this science works (trust us). And Vass has not submitted any of his testing methodologies or results for review.

And regardless that Dr Vass plays dumb about royalty payments, he will be a rich man if every/most CSI lab around the world were to adopt the technology.

Trex –
I don’t understand how they can allow that in either, I worked in a research dept for a while doing research studies on drugs that were not approved yet, new drugs that were not on the market that only a handful of patients were on – drug studies, the fda had not approved them and some would never be approved, most were years away from being approved. I know it’s not the same thing, but I cannot imagine those drugs being allowed in a courtroom – nobody had ever heard of them for one thing, they were “top secret” lol, the patients had to sign waivers so they couldn’t sue etc. But my point is, is that it’s in its infancy, there are steps you have to take to get something on the market, and before it’s on the market it should not be used as an example or used in a court case!

And one other thing re Dr. Vass’ testimony: remember when JB was almost finished and then went tothe def. table and came bk for one more question (kind of like Columbo used to do) and asked: “and you are no a member of a scientific community that can scrutinize your research, are you?” (this is def. a paraphrase.)… and he answered no he was no. That was a huge statement and plus for the defense. I feel it neutralized much of Dr. Vass right there.

Steph 313,
I think JB did a pretty good job in drawing the jury’s attn to the fact that Vass worked in a research lab/ not a foresnic’s lab, and that in a research lab his focus was to write papers, etc………… from my viewpoint I think he did a good job in showing the distinct diff. in the 2 types of labs and why Vass was NOT the guy to put their “faith” in. IMHO.

I don’t believe that that dog has never falsly alerted, no dog is fool proof, do you know how many shows on ID channel I’ve watched where they’ve brought in cadaver dogs and those dogs have hit on spots and they dug and ended up with animal remains? I don’t believe these ppl.

Steph,
Ok, my workaround is related to IP address filtering. JB said he is using IP address as a filter to fend off trolls. I can tell you how to change your IP address. But the fact that you just replied, indicates you are not being filtered on IP.

Hmm. That’s a head scratcher. I don’t know why “posting a name” would be an issue. Maybe it’s close to a filtered keyword (like a curse word).

Steph,
IIRC, Omar had a problem with posting a comment one day. The comment included a link from Orange county. Out of frustration she emailed the comment so I could post it for her. Same thing happened.. so I took out the link and it worked.
Could this be the problem? Why don’t you email it to me…and I’ll try to post it.

Oh, NCase has an “industry standard”………… which the state likes, of course, but Dr. Vass goes roque w/ his database and only one scientist in the world accepts histheory, i.e. no industry standard for him, Now, which way is it? Can’t have your cake and eat it too!

ahh..I’d say Det. Osborne was a dud. No fireworks from her… I don’t think it proved their was no zanny. What about the Blackjack phone Casey lost? Albeit convenient, she did own one and it is mssing.
Another thing ..Osborne admits she doesn’t know much about cell phone data functions.

JB,
I think she said she could not recall if the laptop was powered on when she received it. My guess is Lee powered off when he got it from TL (to save the battery). And she said she removed the hard drive to copy it. So it’s possible she never tried to power it up.

she’s is going to concede that the searches done on the 16th were CA doing it. the point she was trying to get to it that there was nothing on the cmputer prior to the 16th in ref to Zenaida. such as no emails to her from Casey. that was her point.

JB –
Really it’s the first name? It’s just a personal thing I wanted her to look into, nothing to do with the case, I don’t know how to email you. The guy lives across the st from me, and my neighbor lives next to him, he held a gun to her head and is in prison for that, he gets out in a month – he has said that he was in prison before for murder but that it wasn’t his fault, I wanted to know what exactly his charges were. We both have kids and it’s a little scary that he lives here and especially after what he has done to her. I want her to get a pfa on him before he gets out. I’ve tried to look up his charges but can’t get access to new jersey court records. I was asking kathy if she could check for me.

TRex,
I’ll have to find it… I believe it was Zuben who found testimony stating that the night it was retrieved the laptop appeared to have crashed. lol.. I don’t know what they call it.. is it the “black screen of death”

blam,
I understood that but I still don’t get the relevence. Casey didn’t just pull that name ZFG out of a hat.
She gave Richard Grund this name as her new babysitter when Caylee was about a year old.
If she did know a ZFG, she wouldn’t have to search her info.

another thought just hit me. regarding the shovel. Here in Miami the ground may look like grass, but underneath is generally coral rock. And trying for Casey to dig a hole to bury Caylee to keep her there, even for a while, is not an easy thing for her to do. Given her weight and strength. I don’t think she could do that. It would require some shoulder strength if the thought is she buried her under the playhouse for a while before she disposed of the body. Comments?

Steph,
What I mean … I don’t want to use this website to post someone’s name that has nothing to do with this case. Even the people who are involved and whose names have been published on the news sites, I try to use initials.

okay, so now I am more confused……. if possible and trying to get “unconfused.” Re ZG, didn’t JB say in the opening statement that ZG didn’t exist and never did? I thought the prosecutor there was going to emails, tring to show that there were never any emails to ZG. So, I am open to education, trust me. I want to get this thing clear in my mind. I don’t think she did it, but I admit I am muddled at points.

JB –
It’s ok I understand, for legal issues, I wasn’t even thinking about that when I tried to post it. If Kathy says it’s ok I’ll email her personally about it. I would just like to know for understandable reasons.

Not sure if he said ZG never existed. I think he meant she wasn’t involved. You know…KC went to HS with relatives of a Zenaida Gonzalez. So there’s a ZG close to KC’s age that she may have known.
lol..its really hard to explain.
The regulars who I’ve been in discussion with for the past couple of years think Kc did know a ZG.

not muddled re Casey’s guilt. I don’t think at all that she murdered Caylee, but I can’t figure out from A (drowning) to Z (body discovered)…………… it’s the Z part that I am confused over. There has to be 2 people involved her and they weren’t Casey……. at least that’s where my brain is now. I appreciate education.

blam,
I’m trying to follow the trial right now so I can’t recall much about ZG. If you search ZG in the search box you’ll find lots of discussion about her.
There 9 in the Orlando area. One who’s office was broken into June 6th..there’s another one associated with AD who got a traffic ticket in mid-May 08…just lots of stuff. Too much to mention in one comment.

misty, I know there was no premeditation as the state said. I believe there was an accidental drowning, but then after that……….. okay, now I am trying to put the pieces together. I accept (meaning it makes sense) that GA is heavily involved and comes up w/ a plan and that would involve many things,but then Casey realizes that she has put all her trust in his hands, at some point she realizes that she is out on a limb w/ no way to get back to the trunk (if you get my poor comparison) and she knows that GA turned on her ……….. but putting all the pieces together to come up w/ the body in Area A is what is confusing the heck out of me.

::sigh:: It’s soooo frustrating to watch this trial knowing what I know to be garbage and to see this shit entered as if it’s truth.

JB is doing a good job!! key word search for “chloroform” August 20, 2008?? OMG!!
This has no Evidentiary value!!
Is she saying RM’s computer had no referencing of chloroform??? She needs to go and take another course! lol Speculation?? She dare NOT say that chloroform was to be used on the woman to get her into bed.

Good job Baez!! over-written is possible. That could be with any of the computers she inspected.
Dang he’s good!! WTG JB!!

To clear up confusion: I think the last witness was asked in August 2008 to check Ricardo’s computer for keyword searches for chloroform. And she found none. She didn’t look at Casey’s laptop. I believe another computer expert is up next.

Steph,
Yes, she did say August 2008. But the Discovery document submitted by Melich says “March 17 was the first time Chloroform search was performed.” Not sure if there were subsequent searches. It also states George was working at that time.

But IIRC, George worked just minutes from the house. Could he have slipped away from work for a time unnoticed to go home? Did cops check this possibility?

hi nts,
good question…they don’t know!! If KC has a friend over to the house…anyone could google anything.
Also remember what Zuben found about chloroform being used to kill fleas?? According to some emails the A’s were having problems with fleas…which I’m sure they did with all of the sand and the pool.
You have to use a lot of sand underneath those kiddie pools so that’s logical to me.
Too many variables…and chloroform is not the murder weapon and we don’t even know if a murder occurred!!

so if it takes about a day, maybe sooner in the FL heat, to start decomposing, for the dogs to alert to deomp, that would show why the digs didn’t alert to the pool frokm the 16th, which I can see George putting her in or near her playhouse, Casey had records showing she wasn’t even home, when the time the decomp would be taking place? placing her even FURTHER away from Caylee’s body?

So, the relevance of the chloroform is that the picture (Def #1) shows an ad of Chloroform in some form/fashion (the male/female couple at a restaurant? or some such) and Casey sees it on Myspace and then does a search to figure out WTH? is he posting this for??????????? Is that thejist of what this is all about? / pls. advise if i am on the right track?

Perfectly stated nts,
you know what I find the most idiotic bullshit about the states’ theory …Why would a 22yo who’s so sharp she leaves no dna or fingerprints would get on a home computer or personal laptop to search something that she wants to use to kill her 2 year old daughter???
Yes a 2yo daughter…now, not to sound so terribly cruel, isn’t there other ways to kill a small child?? Something..you wouldn’t have to search on the family computer??? I’m sure there is…needs no explanation.
Again I say …… BOGUS!!! The prosecution must think the jury is a panel of fools.

Maybe she was looking up how to make chloroform because after seeing that pic on RM’s myspace she was afraid RM would make chloroform and use it on her or someone else. So she looked up how to make it to see if he had the stuff to make it, or how easy it was to make?

Steph…she wasn’t necessarily searching “how to make chloroform?” You know how when you put one word in, you get all the suggestions. Yes…she may have looked at the page.
And don’t forget…There’s no evidence that KC made up a batch of chloroform..LOL That’s why this is just a waste of time.

LOL..Steph..
You’re SOOOO funny!! Why would you say something so ridiculous?? Who said she made chloroform.
You need to look it up and find out how to make it,..
I have it on this site …if you search chloroform here..
As a matter of fact..we have a lot things on this site that hasn’t been touched yet.

GA had 4 shovels in the shed so if Casey needed a shovel she would have broke in the shed to get one, just like she broke in to steal the gas, unless like JB mentioned a lil while ago, Casey used the shovel to break in the shed to steal the gas.
Tony told LE in one interview that he waited in the driveway and KC came back with the gas cans,
later in another interview, he changes his story and says he used his tire iron to break in himself.
Maybe LE lied to him and told him we know you stole the gas, confess or we’ll arrest you for burglary or they could have blackmailed him (hanging marijuana charges over his head) to get him to falsly confess to this because LE also think Casey used the shovel to break in the shed.
A valid explanation as to why KC borrowed the shovel other than an attempt to bury Caylee is the last thing LE want to uncover.

or maybe George sent Casey to borrow the shovel,,, to incriminate her,,,
Casey probably wouldn’t question her dad if he told her to go fetch a shovel from the neighbor.

JB –
I never said she made chloroform, I don’t think she made chloroform – when the search results were talked about they made it sound like they could tell that it was specifically typed how to make chloroform – I know how google brings up other results, but that’s not how they were making it sound like it was typed.

hey Indygal! So nice to see you!!
Oh girl …u know it!! YOu know LE was intimidating poor little Tony big time! LE talked him into doing a sting operation on Lee..remember? Which was a complete FAILURE!!

I think ..LE did a background check on Tony and his friends. Do you remember what we learned from the sting video?? About the rip off? One of Tony’s roomies was rip-offed for about $5000 worth of “product”

Steph,
Well that’s the point…EVERYONE just speculates that she looked how to make it..
BUT…in the big picture..it really doesn’t matter because there is NO CAUSE of death so all of this is a moot point anyway…

about tony and the gas stealing incident and the shovel to break into the shed – BB said in his statement that he thought he saw a truck but couldn’t remember, that could be tony’s jeep – but the dates don’t match up from when he claims casey borrowed the shovel to when casey ran out of gas – could BB be wrong about the date she borrowed the shovel?

============================ Steph,
the truck ur referring to is a green Chevy s-10..like the same truck club named “Neck Breakin”
I also recall BB being off on his dates, something about going to Home Depot?? He said he’d have to find the receipt??? Remember that? So yes of course BB could be wrong.

lol..Of course Steph–
I haven’t gone by what I’ve heard from this trial since day one…I’m going by what we’ve researched here. lol
That goes without saying…
Holy cow!! Moi? Believe the media? Not in the Anthony saga.. 😀

oh well,
g2g…bbl…
I trust no one posts any personal info on strangers while I’m gone.

BB’s whole testimony would have to be not credible at all if casey used the shovel to break the shed, because he also said he saw her car backed into the garage on the same day. And if it was tony’s jeep he saw that was the truck he couldn’t remember – then casey’s car wouldn’t have been there because her car was elsewhere out of gas. BB was already mixed up about his dates, he couldn’t remember what day exactly, and he was very unclear about the truck he thought he saw so it is possible.

MWM,
Oh..they just been drinking up the “Hater Aide” You k now if he said KC may be innocent, people would change the channel. No one wants to believe that they are being lied to ..but as you and I KNOW, they are.

No Steph,
Ur wrong…He saw the s-10 the same day he saw KC’s car… Now he did say he had his days mixed up..in his defense…
So no…all he said was KC borrowed a shovel…as a matter of fact, KC googled a shovel
So now what does this mean?? NOTHING.

JB –
In BB’s statement he says he saw a small truck the cops put the words s-10 in his head BB never says s-10, BB says he is very unclear about what he saw. He also says he saw casey’s car backed into the garage on the same day she borrowed the shovel. If you are suggesting that she borrowed the shovel to break into the shed to steal the gas then how can her car be in the garage when tony drove her to the house?

JB-
he just said it, a query for how to make chloroform, it was typed in, whoever used the computer did type those exact words in so I wasn’t wrong, and it was explained that it was typed in like that.

================================ He doesn’t say in context it was typed? Does he? In other words..was it after she typed in chloroform? The expert doesn’t even know. He can’t tell why or when she typed those words into search.
That’s very important.
JB

I am pretty sure that Tony broke into the shed at a later date than when the shovel was borrowed. I am pretty sure he said he used a tire iron. IIRC. The shovel has nothing to do with breaking into the shed the day she borrowed the gas cans. IMO

Another I T guy that will do everything in his power to make the information on a computer fit his own theory. We have them here where I work. People without an open mind. They could spend hours trying to figure out why they can’t connect to the internet, when their cable is unplugged underneath the desk. Stays there til midnight to make his software fit.

Steph: to tell you the truth, I like her a lot and I think she is a good prosecutor. It to me is like, I will present the case and let the chips fall where they may. JA on the otherhand looks animated and eager to win. The bordom that she emits shows me her lack of enthusiasm to win the case. I am not sure by human nature that she appears to believe in her own case. Just the same, it is her duty to present the case to the jury, doesn’t mean she believes kc is guilty in her heart of hearts. IMO

NTS –
I don’t like her, she gets on my nerves, I hate the way she says ok after everything lol. I bet if we could go back in this trial and count the number of times she says ok it would be in the 1000’s lol, it’s not just the boredom, I think she comes across cold, even to her own witnesses.

“If you are suggesting that she borrowed the shovel to break into the shed to steal the gas then how can her car be in the garage when tony drove her to the house?”

good point,, and again like you said a while ago, maybe BB has his dates and stories mixed up.

IIRC ( could be wrong ) BB said he was laying on his couch looking out the window when he seen the truck.
or maybe that was one of the times he seen her car backed in ???

Anyway my point is, he lived right by her and seen her car regularly, so for him to put a date or time for that matter on it is very unlikely. What would make someone remember details about somthing that at the time was not so out of the ordinary?

All I know is that whatever the reason for borrowing the shovel, Casey did not murder Caylee and there is NO WAY she dumped the body on Suburban because it was not there in July, August or September.

So even if she borrowed the shovel to try to bury Caylee, there had to be an accomplice after the fact.

I cannot wait til the defense throws it all out there on the table….Ooooooooh it’s gonna be good!! 🙂

NTS….
I feel the same about LDB….
she is very boring , reminds me of the Clear Eyes guy….lol
but she does seem to not be scared of the truth.
I first noticed this in Laura Buchannans depo,
it’s like she is doing her job, working for the state…. but does not believe in what she’s fighting for.
Maybe thats why she comes off so drab, because she is not passionate about what she’s doing.

I agree with you, I’ve been through BB’s statement a few times and I feel he was a bit confused, he did say that he saw her car backed in on the same day she borrowed the shovel, but you are right he was used to seeing her car there and if she was there to borrow the shovel probably figured her car had to be with her. He was very unclear about the truck her saw. He said he thought he saw a truck but was unsure, never said the make of the truck, the police said the make of the truck. Who knows if he even saw a truck, he could be mistaken.

So after all these computer searches in March, we still don’t know who was sitting at the computer. Did George skip out of work during these times? Was one of Casey’s friends at the computer while Casey was in the other room or backyard? Was one of Casey’s friends thinking of making Chloroform as a date rape device? We will hopefully hear the explanation when Defense presents its case.

Was Casey dating Ricardo Morales in March? He was the guy with the “Win her over with Chloroform.” image on his Myspace page. Was there more to Ricardo and Chloroform?

And freakin HLN keeps a steady drum beat “Vass jumped back 2 feet when he saw the Chloroform level.” Meanwhile HLN seems to have forgotten that the FBI Chemist said it was a normal level consistent with household chemicals (aka Arm and Hammer).
HLN (wHores, Liars and Nonsense)

JB-
he just said it, a query for how to make chloroform, it was typed in, whoever used the computer did type those exact words in so I wasn’t wrong, and it was explained that it was typed in like that.

He doesn’t say in context WHEN it was typed? Does he? In other words..was it after she typed in chloroform? The expert doesn’t even know. He can’t tell why or when she typed those words into search.
That’s very important.. You can see that right? OMG…I don’t know Steph..lol lol
JB

Hi guys!
I missed everything today. I have to go start watching the videos. I’m listening to the idiots on HLN saying that the prosecution was the winner today, blah, blah, blah….their opinions are worth squat. I don’t know why I even aggravate myself by turning them on. Bleeeech.

When was the Shovel movie made? Students at Full Sail make short films several times a year as part of a class project since it’s a production school. Maybe one of her friends made it, or maybe it was something one of her friends told her to watch?

My younger brother has a lot of friends that go to that school and they’re all very “artsy” I guess the current word for it would be hipster? That’s what they like to call themselves anyway, and most of those kids (my brother’s friends) would find that Chlorophorm picture funny.

I would hate to know what I’d be accused of if my computer were ever searched. I’m a writer so I research some off the wall stuff…nothing currently illegal, but seeing the witch hunt going on in this case you never know.

Maybe I am missing something. Why would KC, or anyone for that matter, Google the word shovel? To see what one looks like? To get operating instructions? Help me, please.

I am also trying to tie together all the searched items into some kind of theme. Usually, when I start doing a lot of searching at one time, everything is somehow related. I don’t see a connection between “chloroform” and “ruptured spleen”.

Did they actually say that someone returned to the “how to make chloroform” website 84 times? Wouldn’t it been easier to print it out?

Okay I just looked up the shovel movie. It doesn’t look like anybody at Full Sail had anything to do with it, but it may have been something they were talking about? It won at Tribeca Film Fest so that would probably be something students at an art school would be interested in.

Also here in Orlando we have a place called Enzian theater; it’s in Winter Park fairly close to where KC lived so she could have been looking up the film because it was playing at Enzian and wanted to know what it was about. I look the movies up before I go there because as much as I love artsy or foreign films there are some things I just can’t sit through.

Yellow Dog: Maybe she didn’t type in shovel, maybe it was GA? He could have been looking to purchase a new one? He sounds pretty OCD from everything that’s been said about him. Maybe instead of just going to Home Depot and picking one out he decided to research them first?

Or maybe all of the strange searches were KC trying to find something funny to post on her myspace or facebook? Maybe she was looking for a song that had one of those words in it?

Personally, I don’t put a whole lot of weight on these searches. I google weird stuff all the time. Any time a question pops into my brain, I google for the answer. If someone that didn’t know me searched my history on my computer, they probably think I was a tad strange. But, for me, google is a teaching tool. And last time I checked, everything Casey searched was perfectly legal. (unless I missed something in court today) JMO

GasCan & Melzy – I’ve known some pretty shady cops and some even get shadier when they become ex-cops. In fact, that’s the reason they became ex-cops. I can see how some of those search terms could be used in a set-up.

Still not sure what all the self defense Googling is about and why whoever did it would return to the chloroform page 84 times.

Do you think perhaps KC was using chloroform as a sleep aid for herself or possibly using it during the day also?
Kind of like self-medicating. I thought it interesting about the story from the 1800s about a man who, apparently, was addicted to it. Could this be a reason for KCs somewhat unusual approach to reality?

ok…so I guess neck breaking, hand to hand combat, homemade weapons, etc…were all made to research doing that to a two year old? you have to be kidding me!….lol…and they want a person of average intelligence to apply that so called logic?

Part of the reason that Houston police took the psychic seriously is that they initially found some evidence corroborating her claims, including blood on the ground and the smell of decomposition on the property. The psychic also seemed to know the layout of the house and other details that weren’t public knowledge.

Mysterious? Not really: The blood was from an unrelated drunken incident that had occurred weeks earlier; and the smell was from rotting meat in a broken freezer.

Next…besides being the name of a movie made in 2006, it is the male equivalent of a hoe according to the urban dictionary. So would you say Casey might call Rico a shovel because he treated her like a hoe selling her baby’s pictures.? Just kidding. Really they mean a shovel is a clumsy player that gets no respect, like Perry and the prosecutors. Another definition of shovel, BS as in the state of Florida is shoveling all the way to an acquittal. Another definition…the solution to any problem.

or maybe it was Lee in his pursuit of his PI, police officer want to be theme. Hand to Hand combat? I would say more in line to that. Or hasn’t it been said GA was or is into deviant sex? people that are into that choking related to sex do that kinda stuff…maybe seeing how far someone could go in that dept and still remain safe? I don’t know, heck I can see that before you can sell me she was looking for ways to kill a two year old, they are not exactly big and powerful.

Misty: I am thinking of the song “everybody was kung fu fighting” Yeah, this computer search thing is a big joke. No one hits a site 84 times. I think the guy made it clear that the search engines begin doing their own searches the second you start typing in there search bar. Its all about the money and who has paid for those keywords. Garbage in Gabage out.

ruptured spleen, internal bleeding, head injury ….maybe something happened to her and she was looking up symptoms? I have done that a zillion times as I am battling an unknown autoimmune problem. I have all sorts of weird symptoms and I can assure you there are similar searches on my comp! Just like with this case, you will find searches for chloroform now, and how to make meth, or a variety of other stuff related to a bizarre list of ingredients…lol…I guess someone could easily put them all together and make something innocent look nefarious!

Neck breaking, hand to hand combat, interneal bleeding, ruptured spleen, head injury, homemade weapons, kung fu, self defense, ect, yeah she knew this was going to be a tough battle, so she had to prepare herself. lol

I think George put something into the trunk on June 24. The next day, the 25th, is when Casey starts mentioneding te smell . She was at Hopespring on 24th, George admits to seeing her & talking with her.
He says he took something out of the trunk. Did he put something in? Even if just small amount of “fluids”. He is ex-LE. I also believe he intentionally put the duct tape on post-mortem to frame Casey. By the 24th he knew it couldn’t stay hidden. Family members were asking about Caylee. (Pleseas). He must haveknown he had to frameCasey to save himself. Plus if everyone sees her as a liar no one will believe he sexually abused her. A frame job would be perfect. 2 birds, one stone.

I also believe he knew it was Casey who took the gas cans. He may have even given permission. Then he comes home, breaks the lock, calls 911, makes a false report. (Another part of his alibi) This way the police officer sees the back yard and it makes it seem he has nothing to hide. Also makes Casey looks even worse. Then he knew she would be back in a day or two, probably made plns to meet. He knew this would be his window of opportunity to finish the frame.

NTS – I was thinking of that Kung Fu Fighting song when I was typing my previous comment and now I can’t get it out of my head.

Misty – As far as self defense and two year olds, when my daughter was about four she came running towards me down the aisle in the local Office Depot. I picked her up but her feet were still moving and she accidently kicked me in the groin. I gently put her back down and proceeded to curl up in a ball on the floor. She thought she had killed me. Luckily, my wife was there to distract her while I regained my senses.

Do you think perhaps KC was using chloroform as a sleep aid for herself or possibly using it during the day also?
Kind of like self-medicating. I thought it interesting about the story from the 1800s about a man who, apparently, was addicted to it. Could this be a reason for KCs somewhat unusual approach to reality?

If the sexual abuse allegations are correct…all of these terms that were googled could have been Casey trying to figure out how best to protect herself. Including the chloroform. She could easily have gotten GA off of her by knocking him out with chloroform. This is IF these terms mean anything at all. It could also be the prosecution looking for evidence of something evil where none existed.

This KC computer search thing is really bugging me. We have several computers in our household. Whenever I am doing a search on how to kill someone, I make it a point to use my personal laptop. Don’t you think KC would do the same, instead of using the “family” computer? Or would she think that her searches would just kind of blend in with the other searches that her twisted family did?

I was thinking the SAME thing about why wouldn’t Casey have used her own personal computer. And medical stuff like ruptured spleens, etc….isn’t her mother a nurse? or seriously, you could find searches on my comp looking up medical info as well…this means nothing IMHO..also, I buy pure food grade hydrogen peroxide at the health food store to make stuff at home that’s alternative medicine nature, guess someone could think I make explosives I suppose if your trying to make something sinister from something innocent. All harmless. This is BS!

Hi JB — well — today I was not home, but on my laptop and was able to see what I was posting ….now…back on pc ….. it’s a stab in the dark…. plus, not too sure if my ‘moniker’ will ome up …but …. hug, Hazaka 555

OOOOh —- somehow ….. the stie “knew me” …. but … again, can’t see what I’m typing ,… so ,… one qwuick thing … this forensic styff (and I now a bit about it ) is more tyhan HOOEY — but .. I don’t wnt to go into “mod3ration” , 🙂 wht a load of rap.,…. and another guy looking to make money on his invention — loved how jb mentioned it!!! 🙂

Another term KC (or someone at that house) searched for was “meningeal artery”. I can’t think of any reason why KC would want to know anything about that. In fact, I doubt if she knows how to spell it. (I know I didn’t when I just Googled it)

It seems to me that the state just throws all this out there and implies that it was all stuff that KC looked for without offering an disclaimer that it could have been any one of the Anthony’s. They can’t prove who was sitting at the keyboard. It could have been one of George’s friends, if he has any.

Also, does the state have any more witnesses to call that have some invention to sell? Is the state getting a kickback for all of the free advertising they are giving these people? Maybe these things will be cutting edge in the forensic community someday, but right now they don’t appear to be ready for prime time.

I have been following this trial as much as I can, but the other night I learned something new and I wonder if anybody else has. Casey used Zannie the Nannie as the babysitter. Well Zannie Nannie is a new language that means putting your child asleep by giving them xanax. That fits in with her tattoo Bella Villa, the shirt Caylee was wearing Big trouble comes in small packages. very bazaar. I wonder if the state lawyers, Linda Burdick and Jeff Ashton know this. I see alot of people think she’s innocent, come on, go back to the first 31 Days, she claims to be with Caylee, lied to her mother and friends, and going out partying. Everyone knows if your baby is missing for 5 min. we panick, and what about her mom’s 911 call, and Cindy and George saying about the car smell. If Caylee accidently drowned why wouldn’t anyone call 911. Why would you get rid of Caylee? That is so ridiculous. She killed her daughter and I hope she gets lwp so she can live her Bella Villa.

I can;t remember who first remarked on Roy Cronk being a bail bondsman bounty hunter, and where they could find that info. I was just reading Roy Kronks disposition of Jan 6th 2009 and in it he volunteer’s that he was one! It is on page 9, lines 6-7. He also says that what he got out of his past work experience was “situational awareness” and that was why he was able to spot the skull (when the police officer could’t – my interpertation of his statement)

So frustrated by not being able to see what I am typing on this site! Does anyone know how to change the grey color in the comment box or my cursor color on this site? I am typing grey on grey whan I try to leave a reply. Thanks for any help offered