Re: Closest Dealer(50 miles away) sure is proud of OEM oil filter

Originally Posted by WILLSXX

How about the filter? Oil starvation maybe?

Are you arguing about something?
I have no idea why that motor grenaded. I don't agree that it's automatically an oil related failure though. That's the point I was trying to make a few posts back.
Edited: Reread the link and yes, it certainly sounds like oil related to me. Imagine what would have happened if he had a $2 Walmart filter on that thing though.

Re: Closest Dealer(50 miles away) sure is proud of OEM oil filter

But it seems real rare to hear of these motors grenading and that always begs the question why?

Maybe a previous owner neglected it and caused the situation? Or could it be attributed to something as simple as a choice of oil or filter?

Like you I always hear the "this is the brand I use for no particular reason" story and just thinking maybe there is a reason to be picky maybe?

You're talking to a guy who uses Castrol Full Synth superbike oil at 10 bucks a quart and OE filters. I believe it does make a difference but at the same time, I doubt anyone can prove that their engine suffered because of cheap oil and Fram filters.
I agree with the "Why" aspect though. The dude in the link you posted mentioned that the engine had already been apart. When we pry into statements for further info, sometimes there is more to the story.
I never met anyone that blew up a motor because of cheap oil. I HAVE known people to **** up perfectly fine motors by tinkering with them though.

Re: Closest Dealer(50 miles away) sure is proud of OEM oil filter

Originally Posted by SSUXX

When we pry into statements for further info, sometimes there is more to the story.
I never met anyone that blew up a motor because of cheap oil. I HAVE known people to **** up perfectly fine motors by tinkering with them though.

True, I think when it comes to oils at least for me I like to think that using a "better oil" avoids thing like this, maybe your right and it doesn't make any difference only gives us some peace of mind thinking it makes a big difference.

Re: Closest Dealer(50 miles away) sure is proud of OEM oil filter

Originally Posted by SSUXX

Are you arguing about something?
I have no idea why that motor grenaded. I don't agree that it's automatically an oil related failure though. That's the point I was trying to make a few posts back.
Edited: Reread the link and yes, it certainly sounds like oil related to me. Imagine what would have happened if he had a $2 Walmart filter on that thing though.

yah, if it was filter related, maybe it wouldnt have happened if he had a $2 Wall Mart filter, It's obvious that you think that if you pay more, your getting more, just because a filter say's Honda on it, it doesn't mean it's the best filter out there, and just because a filter is less expensive than a Honda filter that doesn't mean it's of a lesser quality.

I will agree that you cant go wrong using OEM filters , there's absolutly nothing wrong with them, but there are better filters out there for less money, specificly the Purolator Pure Ones and the Mobil 1's and the Wall mart filter is , believe it or not, (you wont) comparable to an OEM filter, but hey if it gives some one piece of mind to use a OEM filter, by all means go for it, I know how that feels, I feel good knowing there are Purolator Pure Ones on all of our engines.

SSUX I'm sure niether one of us will ever have an oil or filter related failure,
OEM or Purolator Pure one's their both good enough,

Re: Closest Dealer(50 miles away) sure is proud of OEM oil filter

Which top range filters are we referring to? The Fram one's that blew off of race bikes, causing the riders to crash or the other one's (WIX, Puro) that are made in Taiwan by the same MFG?

I'd hardly claim Fram as a top range filter. They are universally known to be complete rubbish. I think you also need to check your manufactures.
I'm not saying Honda filters are bad. I'm just saying there are better ones for less money.

Re: Closest Dealer(50 miles away) sure is proud of OEM oil filter

Originally Posted by brianm767

Isn't that one of the best links? I love teh ideal of buying Purolator filters at Pep Boys,

Oh and just so you know, I tried both the PL14612 and the PL14610, they both fit, but the PL14612 is about 1/2" longer and it puts it right against the header, too close in my opinion, so I use the slightly shorter 12,

Thanks for the information. I probably would have bought the longer one first up.

Re: Closest Dealer(50 miles away) sure is proud of OEM oil filter

Originally Posted by brianm767

yah, if it was filter related, maybe it wouldnt have happened if he had a $2 Wall Mart filter, It's obvious that you think that if you pay more, your getting more, just because a filter say's Honda on it, it doesn't mean it's the best filter out there, and just because a filter is less expensive than a Honda filter that doesn't mean it's of a lesser quality.

I will agree that you cant go wrong using OEM filters , there's absolutly nothing wrong with them, but there are better filters out there for less money, specificly the Purolator Pure Ones and the Mobil 1's and the Wall mart filter is , believe it or not, (you wont) comparable to an OEM filter, but hey if it gives some one piece of mind to use a OEM filter, by all means go for it, I know how that feels, I feel good knowing there are Purolator Pure Ones on all of our engines.

SSUX I'm sure niether one of us will ever have an oil or filter related failure,
OEM or Purolator Pure one's their both good enough,

No, I don't agree we need to pay more to get better quality. I like OE filters because they are OE, not because they say "Honda" on them.
I remain curious what makes the less expensive alternatives "Better" though.

Re: Closest Dealer(50 miles away) sure is proud of OEM oil filter

I’m not sure whether you are serious or not. If you are, some aftermarket filters are better because of: better filter medium that filters smaller particles, larger filter medium surface area, better construction, more consistent bypass valves etc. If you really believe the “OEM is better” argument that many people trot out, why modify anything. All the components are perfect. The OEM Suspension , tyres, chain, ECM, exhaust system, seat, screen, bar position, peg height, luggage system, oil, head lights, ride height… and on and on and on…..is designed by Honda specifically for the bike. Why change any of it?
A part is not the best simply because Honda supplies it.

Re: Closest Dealer(50 miles away) sure is proud of OEM oil filter

Originally Posted by OZDave

I’m not sure whether you are serious or not. If you are, some aftermarket filters are better because of: better filter medium that filters smaller particles, larger filter medium surface area, better construction, more consistent bypass valves etc. If you really believe the “OEM is better” argument that many people trot out, why modify anything. All the components are perfect. The OEM Suspension , tyres, chain, ECM, exhaust system, seat, screen, bar position, peg height, luggage system, oil, head lights, ride height… and on and on and on…..is designed by Honda specifically for the bike. Why change any of it?
A part is not the best simply because Honda supplies it.

As I mentioned before, I have a little bit of inside info regarding filter suppliers for Automatic Transmissions. This is not to say I know more than the next guy but I do know where these filters come from. The very reasons you state for why an aftermarket filter is better than OE can be used as an arguement against them. The filter element may be finer but this can cause the filter to clog easily, the element to get sucked in towards it's center and the pleats to collapse, reducing it's filtering effectiveness. Perhaps a more consistant bypass valve is necessary to keep oil moving through the motor? How do you even know the bypass valve is "Better" , BTW?
As for the "OEM is better" comment, none of the examples you note have anything to do with anything I said. I believe OE oil filters are best-that's it. Has nothing to do with seats, pegs, etc. There are many examples where OE IS INDEED better. I don't care who you are- aftermarket wheel bearing suck. The OE bearings last way longer.