Spimer wrote:Besides, as we've seen, he forgets the names and faces of those who's killed so he forgot about Shinichi a long time ago.

I had forgotten about that part. How come you remember all of this, But yeah, Gin CONSIDERED shinichi to be dead, hence left him. But since we don't know what happened 17 years ago, everything is just a theory, who knows Rum was send to kill Kohji becuase he refused to give "Protection Money" which the Organisation asked. And while killing him, Amanda interrupted and he killed her as well knowing the fact that she had ties with FBI and CIA, and had seen him then and there killing Kohji.

Spimer wrote:Besides, as we've seen, he forgets the names and faces of those who's killed so he forgot about Shinichi a long time ago.

I had forgotten about that part. How come you remember all of this, But yeah, Gin CONSIDERED shinichi to be dead, hence left him. But since we don't know what happened 17 years ago, everything is just a theory, who knows Rum was send to kill Kohji becuase he refused to give "Protection Money" which the Organisation asked. And while killing him, Amanda interrupted and he killed her as well knowing the fact that she had ties with FBI and CIA, and had seen him then and there killing Kohji.

There are a lot of things in that case that don´t make much sense. First Amanda goes to Kohji´s room, they have a cup of tea and a snack, then se returns to her room and dies, while Kohji is assasinated too in his room.

We don´t even know if Amanda was meant to be killed. Actually, she might passed away naturally, she was really old after all. Although all indicates she was murdered by Rum.

But...who was murdered in first time¿? By logic it should be Amanda because killing her after escaping of Kohji´s room it´s reallyimprobable.

First, the police report stated that both Amanda and kohji's death was caused by "unknown" reason (natural death isn't unknown reason). Second, Kohji was in the list of APTX.Third, Rum involved in that case.

Isn't that mean RUM used APTX/Silver bullet?

Considering both of victim condition... Amanda was death with no external wound and Kohji had a lot of bruise in his body... so, i suppose Amanda died first.

@tantei sani mean she only know that while she was checking kudo's house... After she saw that Shinichi's kid cloth was missing. Then it can be explained why she changed his status in the list as "death" because at least she already have some thought about shinichi's shrunken body. If you read the conversation between ai and shinichi in manga vol 18 (sorry i don't know the number of file it is... Because i'm not read the DC in internet except the recent volume) You will know what i mean if you read Ai's deduction about shinichi.

Max1996 wrote:I don't have a lot of facts to back up the theory, but I think the shrinking effect is tied to Conan's blood type. Conan has a blood type of AB-, which is pretty rare, just like the shrinking effect of APTX4869. And yes, that is all that this theory is based on and yes, I am aware it's nothing but one big assumption without solid evidence, but it is a possibility.

EDIT: I thought it through, and realized that this theory IS backed up by a fact: Pretty much all members of the BO have no idea such a side-effect even exists. This means that between APTX4869 being forced down Shinichi's throat and APTX4869 being taken by Shiho, nobody else shrank after being given the poison (assuming that the poison has been given to other people)

EDIT 2: My bad, I thought it specified the blood type Conan had, but it did not. All that was said was that it's a rare blood type.

What do you think?

I think this is quite logical. Quite apart from what Conan's blood type actually is, it makes sense for the effects to differ according to blood type or some other properties in the blood, or immune system. There is also the comment made by Haibara (when Conan asked why Haneda Kohji's name came after his in the list of people who were given aptx) that maybe the list was not chronological but rather by blood type or something. That suggests that someone in the BO has an inkling that the victims' blood type is significant.

Is there a possibility that : - RUM was only meant to kill Kohji, using APTX which was why Kohji's name was in the list- During the time they were having tea perhaps RUM sneaked the drug in, but accidentally killed Amanda instead. She was never meant to be drugged using APTX and perhaps her name is deleted from the list because it would be bad to admit that the boss' second in command made a mistake.Not to mention RUM must have confirmed that she was dead while on the scene, so maybe they felt it was okay to omit her.

SAB wrote:Can someone clarify whether APTX "shrinks" the body or simply de-ages it by 10 years? Also if it de-ages, then does taking 2 pills reduce the age by 20 years?

I don't think it was ever specified exactly which one it is, though Shinichi believes it to be shrinking.

Ok thanks. I too thought it was shrinking because even Mary shrank despite her age, but de-aging by 10 years explains why Vermouth still retained her youth after 20yrs so I am not sure which one to choose lol.

The word used regarding the effect of APTX is 幼児化 (youjika) "Infantification", which means "turn to an infant / child".

As Haibara said, there's only been 3 instances of this happening (a mouse, Shinichi, herself). Whether Mary's case is due to APTX or not it's unconfirmed as of now so we can't include it on the list yet.

k11chi wrote:I'm not sure if that's the case. You have to remember that the final creator of the drug, Ai herself, took the drug in order to kill herself.

That is because the drug has a high chance of killing the victim, after all it wasn't complete yet, so it can also be used as a way to suicide, if Haibara thought it was meant to be a poison, it contradicts what she later said in episode 312, that the drug she was developing is something most people wouldn't find the use of.

Like killing? Who knows what she meant with that.

Many people would care if they knew about a poison that leaves no trace, what Haibara meant was that it is something that most people wouldn't care about it because it has nothing to do with them, I personally think the drug's purpose is something only the boss will get the benefit of.

Hmm... so in an interview with Gosho, the interviewer once asked whether the goal of BO was to achieve immortality through APTX, but Gosho denied it, and said it would seem that way, but currently something big is happening within BO... could it be a kind of coup d'etat (rebellion?) If it were only something that would benefit the boss, it would contradict with what Gosho already confirmed above then.