When young people and blacks start voting their economic interests maybe I will. Until then I will enjoy the cheap lawn care, restaurant food, and car washing.

All subsidized by the taxpayers and those with medical insurance who must foot the bill for illegal immigrants’ children’s education, their health care, and their social and economic cost as criminals in our society. A cost which continues generation after generation.

]]>By: tommy1http://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/26/new-congress-cant-wait-to-pass-amnesty-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-159613
Thu, 28 Dec 2006 13:05:35 +0000http://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/26/new-congress-cant-wait-to-pass-amnesty-bill/#comment-159613Hispanics are not conservative in any real sense. They have a nearly 50% rate of out-of-wedlock births for heaven’s sake. How “family friendly” can they be? They are going to vote for the party that promises them the most big government goodies, not the party that preaches personal responsibility. The children of Hispanic immigrants are almost certainly less conservative than their parents. Even a Republican as left-leaning as Schwarzenegger has done no better than attract about 35% of the Hispanic vote and do we really want big government Californian Republicanism to be the wave of the future?

One positive is that hispanic voters are Catholic and more likely to be socially conservative
You keep hearing that but I have met very few republican hispanics. Those that were, were hardcore. But they were also strong middle class. Of the upper class or the poor hispanics I meet, none are social conservatives.

EF on December 27, 2006 at 9:33 AM

We no longer need to speculate how Mexican immigrants will vote once they become citizens and have the political power to choose politicians that suit them. These “social conservatives” fancy the ACLU types like Villaraigosa.

]]>By: MReginehttp://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/26/new-congress-cant-wait-to-pass-amnesty-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-158396
Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:38:09 +0000http://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/26/new-congress-cant-wait-to-pass-amnesty-bill/#comment-158396I come from a family of conservative hispanics, a few generations in America. In general I am sympathetic to recent mexican migrants and every one I have encountered would make a fine citizen and neighbor. However the indifference of the government to control the borders and establish an orderly, timely and legal migration process is most frustrating.

The beneficiary in my view is employers for the lower wages and workers that likely have fewer job mobility options due to legal status. Target the borders and employers first and then improve the legalization process when those are fixed.

One positive is that hispanic voters are Catholic and more likely to be socially conservative.

You keep hearing that but I have met very few republican hispanics. Those that were, were hardcore. But they were also strong middle class. Of the upper class or the poor hispanics I meet, none are social conservatives.

]]>By: georgejhttp://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/26/new-congress-cant-wait-to-pass-amnesty-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-158152
Wed, 27 Dec 2006 12:44:44 +0000http://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/26/new-congress-cant-wait-to-pass-amnesty-bill/#comment-158152Unless employers and landlords are imprisoned for hiring or renting to illegal aliens, any Amnesty program will simply double the number of illegal aliens in 15 years. It will result in continued wage erosion that will affect most Americans, thanks to competition from illegals, it will result in higher taxes to support the support infrastructure (schools and hospitals, etc.) and in higher insurance costs (illegal aliens do NOT bother to carry auto-insurance for the most part).

Amnesty is BAD public policy all by itself because if promises a reward for breaking the law. But without sanctions against landlords and employers it becomes a disaster for all residents of the United States.

I’m not surprised that the Democrats will do this. They continue to prove that they put the fortunes of the Party above America’s national security. They are traitors.

]]>By: Bill Chttp://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/26/new-congress-cant-wait-to-pass-amnesty-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-157964
Wed, 27 Dec 2006 06:15:41 +0000http://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/26/new-congress-cant-wait-to-pass-amnesty-bill/#comment-157964Wow. I just came back to catch up with this thread. I did not think this issue would arouse this high level of discussion.

Credit to Slublog, you have done yeoman’s work in defending your position. Just so you know I don’t disagree with your position on immigration but someone telling another what a word they used should mean and, therefore, not be used drives me batty. Funny thing is, I used to be with the WSJ on immigration. It does not affect me in a negative way. 9/11 changed my perspective.

I believe there won’t be amnesty but there will be some sort of work permit program and a program for allowing long time illegals to gain citizenship. At least that is what I hope happens. As long as we get a handle on who is coming and going.

My biggest fear is that we get a series of terrorist attacks and it is linked to a border crossing. Right now I can’t get too worked up about the people who suffer from economic dislocation caused by illegals. When young people and blacks start voting their economic interests maybe I will. Until then I will enjoy the cheap lawn care, restaurant food, and car washing.

One positive is that hispanic voters are Catholic and more likely to be socially conservative. Once they get in they will probably do what all the other immigrant groups that have come behind them- lock the door.

I’m willing to admit – the plan is not perfect, but I tried to strike a balance between the ‘deport them all now’ and the ‘amnesty for everyone’ views on the issue.

You’ll run into big problems when you try to compromise the rule of law. Exceptions are hard to justify.

I’m still waiting for a city to declare itself a sanctuary for polygamists or tax evaders like several cities have declared themselves sanctuaries for illegal aliens; just to see if the feds will take action to enforce those laws while they refuse to enforce our immigration laws…exceptions are hard to justify.

]]>By: Resolutehttp://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/26/new-congress-cant-wait-to-pass-amnesty-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-157837
Wed, 27 Dec 2006 03:56:09 +0000http://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/26/new-congress-cant-wait-to-pass-amnesty-bill/#comment-157837You misunderstand me. I simply am annoyed by politcal correct reasons for redefining words. I have nothing invested in this particular word nor would I likely even use it, because I agree it is offensive. But it is offensive to illegal aliens not to Mexicans in particular since the point the word is to highlight a specific illegal act they engaged in not a class of people. It may appear in reference sources as applying to Mexicans but this is the result of the politcally correct process of redefining words – which you are enganged in – and clearly not the original meaning of this self-explanatory compound word.
]]>By: shooterhttp://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/26/new-congress-cant-wait-to-pass-amnesty-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-157833
Wed, 27 Dec 2006 03:49:21 +0000http://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/26/new-congress-cant-wait-to-pass-amnesty-bill/#comment-157833Hey, could a couple of you take a break? The rest of us can’t get a word in edgewise.

Really now, C’mon, you all know the thread/topic has a comment limit per person Maybe it’s an unwritten rule, but I’m just guessing that 25 to 30 comments each, and an argument between just a few of you totaling something like 60 or 70 posts has got to be approaching that ‘limit’.
Makes it tough to read if I don’t want to get involved with the side topic you found so captivating.

Maybe we need IM on this thing? MM? all that extra dough you’re making subbin’ for big O’…

Actually, since Atta had applied for an extension, he was given a de facto extension. The student visa issue is one that needs to be addressed, but since most illegal immigrants don’t apply for such visas, I did not mention them in the policy I outlined.

Is there anyone here in the US illegally who you believe it would be ok to deport prior to carrying out a crime?

Most of my day has been spent chasing my daughter (who is nine months old), keeping her from sticking electrical cords in her mouth or listening to her scream when she realized that she hadn’t seen mommy in hours.

Cabernet…take me away…

Slu, sugar, when I left the hospital with my first, twelve years ago, I left the two day supply of diapers that they foist on you and took the IV pole. I’ve been mainlining Valium ever since.

I love that country song, “Mr.Mom”. You have my sympathies. Truly.

]]>By: Mellenhttp://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/26/new-congress-cant-wait-to-pass-amnesty-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-157745
Wed, 27 Dec 2006 01:59:07 +0000http://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/26/new-congress-cant-wait-to-pass-amnesty-bill/#comment-157745Enough talking! We have called written and steamed over this. It is time to take action. We need to refuse to file federal taxes until the border is SECURED. It is our right as Americans and the only one that counts. Without it , what right do they have to our money?
]]>By: Slubloghttp://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/26/new-congress-cant-wait-to-pass-amnesty-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-157739
Wed, 27 Dec 2006 01:47:01 +0000http://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/26/new-congress-cant-wait-to-pass-amnesty-bill/#comment-157739Personally, though, I think student visas should be limited to those who have been accepted to a course of study at an accredited public or private post-secondary institution or diploma-granting secondary school.
]]>By: Slubloghttp://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/26/new-congress-cant-wait-to-pass-amnesty-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-157736
Wed, 27 Dec 2006 01:42:57 +0000http://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/26/new-congress-cant-wait-to-pass-amnesty-bill/#comment-157736

Mohammad Atta was in the country illegally. Are you saying we should wait until the illegal alien carries out a crime before we deport?

Actually, since Atta had applied for an extension, he was given a de facto extension. The student visa issue is one that needs to be addressed, but since most illegal immigrants don’t apply for such visas, I did not mention them in the policy I outlined.

I’ve been debating immigration reform on Hot Air again. Like Cetera says, it’s a hard habit to break. I had never really put all of my thoughts for immigration reform in one place, so I did so in that thread…….

]]>By: Slubloghttp://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/26/new-congress-cant-wait-to-pass-amnesty-bill/comment-page-2/#comment-157727
Wed, 27 Dec 2006 01:32:24 +0000http://hotair.com/archives/2006/12/26/new-congress-cant-wait-to-pass-amnesty-bill/#comment-157727Perhaps you missed the part where I cited numerous sources that noted the racial aspects of the word. Allow me to repeat them, with links.