IBM 170 | Internet Business Success Story with Ashish Goyal

In this episode of Internet Business Mastery, we have an internet business success story with coaching student, Ashish Goyal.

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This guest disturbed me. The main point of medical school is to graduate competent doctors into the world. Weeding out incapable medical students, regardless of the financial wealth that they were born into, who are not able to pass the test is also the point.

It doesn’t matter how hard they worked during their unlimited attempts to succeed, if they are not capable, then they fail the test. That’s the point. They should find another field, and help keep the cost of medical school low.

The weed out process starts in undergrad and continues through residency. The board exam, just like the Bar for lawyers, is not an easy test.

Also, the questions are not simple one level questions, they are usualy 3 step questions where you have to know/remember multiple pieces of information for one answer. There is a technique to these tests and that was the point of the interview.

They shouldn’t go to medical school if they aren’t prepared for the risk of not becoming a doctor. Medical school isn’t there so that students can feel “actualized”, it’s purpose is to graduate competent doctors into society.

I don’t care how hard or how long Junior worked, if he’s not cutting muster, then he fails, and that’s life. He shouldn’t get infinite chances and then by sheer dumb luck graduate.

Sorry, but all you make is an illogical point.
Once an individual has passed an exam (any exam)….they have shown that they now “know” it. They can’t un-know it or know it any less than someone else who passed first time.

Think of a driving test.
Do you have any proof that those who pass a driving test first time are better drivers later on in life? I’ll wager no evidence exists to that effect.

You know what? If anything, someone who has had to work extra hard to get over the line in one particular area might well have benefited from all the extra work they’ve put in.

Finally, your comment isn’t related to this course at all. Your comment is actually about the medical profession, who obviously deem it fine to allow more attempts at the exam.

So….you are a better judge than the medical field?
What is your field, anyway?

Once an individual has passed an exam they show, if it’s the first try, that they now “know” it. But if it’s the tenth try, maybe they’re showing that they now “know” it, but maybe they just know how to “pass” the test.

Would you want a doctor who has failed the exam ten times making life or death decisions for you or your family?

Driving (class d) is rather limited in it’s complexity, and more people should fail until they exhibit the maturity it takes to share the road with others.

With some rethinking, I am probably being too harsh. As Ryan stated above, perhaps “the weed out process starts in undergrad and continues through residency” and the test is just a obstacle, and if that’s the case, then I have a problem with the process and the test, than I do with the product or the students who would benefit from it.

(When listening) I felt that “fake it till you make it” mindset had permeated into the medical field and that Ashish was just capitalizing on that mindset. That touched a very sensitive nerve. The mindset is fine for start-ups or any pursuit that merely affects the actor, but it’s not fine for graduating doctors into society, where the impact vastly more far reaching.

I can see why you might have a problem with a physician practicing if he or she is not competent and qualified to do so. Please rest assured that the medical community has addressed this in significant detail. There are TONS of exams that we have to go through in order to practice as physicians, and for some of them you are only allowed to take them a LIMITED number of times. After that, the medical field deems you unqualified to proceed.

For the pediatric board exam I took, I did fail the first time. That was the first board exam that I’ve ever failed in my entire life and I failed due to an inability to find study material that worked well for me. I also only failed by 7 to 9 questions out of over 300. The second time I did so well on the exam that the ABP actually asked ME to help them write questions for their exam.

I think this just goes to show that with some hard work you can overcome obstacles in life to do what you are truly passionate about in life.

The boards were definitely a challenge, as was the creation of my online business… but they were nothing compared to the challenges I faced when I took one year off and worked in the slums of India. “It was the best of times, it was the worst of time,” but I made it through a year of hardship and created an organization that helped thousands of people along the way. I’m so excited to have the opportunity to re-launch it bigger and better with all of the tools and skills that I’ve developed over the past couple of years.

I just had to jump in and defend Ashish even though its off topic. Mark is making the assumption that that one exam determines whether someone is a good doctor or not. I’m sure we all remember kids at school who were good at passing exams versus others who were equally competent but got stricken by exam nerves or just weren’t good at taking exams. The teaching profession has long realised that exams are only one method of assessment and in fact I for one am the sort of person who can memorise content to pass an exam and then promptly forget the lot as I walk out the exam room. Mark should be glad I didn’t choose medecine as my profession :)

Thanks for the thoughts Lesley. Also, for your emailed feedback regarding the SBP site! It’s great that this podcast has connected me to so many people from around the world… UK, Germany and now Australia!