So you think that they're going to be able to do on current and future titles, with a highly optimized and well coded APU, what a 7970/680 can not do even on all current titles?

Now, if they have an APU + some sort of midrange GPU in there, I'd find it more plausible, but I just have a hard time buying that they're going to be rendering things at a smooth 60fps at full 1080p when all the rumors about the hardware are that it's on the low-end side of things.

I guess we'll find out in a year or two.

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Well, just look at PS3. It's basically being powered by GeForce 7900 and most games look like 2012 titles on PC. I won't say in every aspect but to casual gamer, there won't be much difference...

Well, the highly optimized and well coded nature of the Xbox 360 allows it to do roughly what a card one generation superior to it can do (an 8800 GTX).

The difference between an APU and a 7970 is a lot bigger than the difference between a modded 7900 series chip and an 8800 GTX.

The PS3 & Xbox 360 are rendering games at 720p around 30fps... you don't need much GPU power to do that on the PC. An 8800 series card will still do that just fine on anything as long as the game is compatible with dx10 or earlier (and it will do a lot more than that in most cases e.g. Skyrim, anything UE3 powered).

I don't forget that developers can get more out of console hardware than the same stuff in a PC. But...

... 60fps 1080p is actually very demanding. You're not going to get 60fps minimum framerates in even all current titles without a multi-GPU setup. If you want 60fps minimum framerate in BF3, for example, you are either going to be using multiple GPUs or turning settings down.

So, unless they've got some GPU secret sauce in there that they're not announcing, even given the fact that they can get more out of console hardware than PC, I find it extremely unlikely that they're going to be churning out 1080p 60fps in anything demanding.

Next gen consoles are supposed to be the playground for Unreal Engine 4, and if you think that's going to run at 1080p 60fps on anything less than a high end graphics card, you're crazy. How high end, I don't know, but definitely something many tiers above an APU.

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I have a single 7950 on an amd 945. At stock I max everything out 1920x1200, 60FPS.

I have a single 7950 on an amd 945. At stock I max everything out 1920x1200, 60FPS.

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No. No you don't. Not unless you're one of those people who considers turning down the AA to still be "max" settings.

Maybe you max all your games at 60fps if you don't own some of the more demanding ones, but you're not getting 60fps minimum framerates in all the demanding games out there on a single card. BF3 multiplayer is the most obvious example.

No. No you don't. Not unless you're one of those people who considers turning down the AA to still be "max" settings.

Maybe you max all your games at 60fps if you don't own some of the more demanding ones, but you're not getting 60fps minimum framerates in all the demanding games out there on a single card. BF3 multiplayer is the most obvious example.

Lol w/e man... if you want to claim you've got a magic setup, go ahead. Arkham City, Sleeping Dogs, those are just two other recent examples of things that a single card doesn't do 60fps minimum framerate in (they don't even get close btw).

But hey maybe your card is a magic card that does far better than all the benchmarks say.

I wonder what the selling point will be? I mean A10 APU wont differ to much from the PS3 to be easily noticeable to the average user. I really hope its A10 APU and maybe a 7770 or something a long with it. If this turns out to be true I doubt most of the high end users (PC) will need to upgrade any time soon than.

Lol w/e man... if you want to claim you've got a magic setup, go ahead. Arkham City, Sleeping Dogs, those are just two other recent examples of things that a single card doesn't do 60fps minimum framerate in (they don't even get close btw).

But hey maybe your card is a magic card that does far better than all the benchmarks say.

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You just disregard the fact that I disproved your argument using actual facts.
You are just embarrassing yourself.

Back on topic, the SNES had a 3.58 MHZ processor. For a computer to emulate the SNES perfectly, it has to be over 300MHZ. This is not a very accurate example per say because of the taxing elements of emulating hardware, but gives us a good example of what a small amount of dedicated power can do.

Lol w/e man... if you want to claim you've got a magic setup, go ahead. Arkham City, Sleeping Dogs, those are just two other recent examples of things that a single card doesn't do 60fps minimum framerate in (they don't even get close btw).

But hey maybe your card is a magic card that does far better than all the benchmarks say.

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Bad example. Hes not running Physx. He will do 60FPS at 1920 all day in Batman:AC without that.

On topic: These are some nice specs if true. WiiU will have some competition in a year or so.

You just disregard the fact that I disproved your argument using actual facts.
You are just embarrassing yourself.

Back on topic, the SNES had a 3.58 MHZ processor. For a computer to emulate the SNES perfectly, it has to be over 300MHZ. This is not a very accurate example per say because of the taxing elements of emulating hardware, but gives us a good example of what a small amount of dedicated power can do.

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What facts? The "o wait those benchmarks are wrong my card actually does way better" facts?

Lol w/e man... if you want to claim you've got a magic setup, go ahead. Arkham City, Sleeping Dogs, those are just two other recent examples of things that a single card doesn't do 60fps minimum framerate in (they don't even get close btw).

But hey maybe your card is a magic card that does far better than all the benchmarks say.