No and sometimes. Once you get above forty or fifty percent slope you still have to send someone out there with a chainsaw to do the falling and set chokers by hand._________________The older I get, the more certain I become of one thing. True and abiding cynicism is simply a form of cowardice.

Botch, you make the mistake a lot of people make. "If I just couch my words in civil, 'elegant' terminology, people will listen and respond in kind." But that elegance really isn't elegant, and we can see through the veneer to the tedious, repeated argument below the surface.

Something that'srude: Going into a piano shop and playing Für Elise. Guess what everyone plays when they come into a piano shop? Gess how many times the owners and employees have had to hear that song? Do you really think it would make a difference if the notes were very well played?

Nope. It's as grating as grating can be, because it's the same damn song over and over and over.

Interesting analogy. But the shop-owner wouldn't abuse the customer. And no one here owns the shop anyway.

The shop owner wants you to buy things, so they'll be nice and complain later.
No one here hopes to sell you things, and I doubt you have plans to pay everyone for their time listening patiently to you.

And this forum, while owned by Tat, is collectively policed by the unmoderated members. It works well that way._________________::lesser crisis mode::

Botch, you make the mistake a lot of people make. "If I just couch my words in civil, 'elegant' terminology, people will listen and respond in kind." But that elegance really isn't elegant, and we can see through the veneer to the tedious, repeated argument below the surface.

Something that'srude: Going into a piano shop and playing Für Elise. Guess what everyone plays when they come into a piano shop? Gess how many times the owners and employees have had to hear that song? Do you really think it would make a difference if the notes were very well played?

Nope. It's as grating as grating can be, because it's the same damn song over and over and over.

Interesting analogy. But the shop-owner wouldn't abuse the customer. And no one here owns the shop anyway.

The shop owner wants you to buy things, so they'll be nice and complain later.
No one here hopes to sell you things, and I doubt you have plans to pay everyone for their time listening patiently to you.

And this forum, while owned by Tat, is collectively policed by the unmoderated members. It works well that way.

actually, we're the gang hanging out in the bar next to the piano store, who will not only start yelling at the umpteenth repeat of "fur elise" but criticize anything else you play and also make fun of the way you dress and occasionally even make passes at your mom (and/or your dad). although to be fair, if you play really well, we will applaud. and maybe even buy you a beer._________________aka: neverscared!
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Botch, you make the mistake a lot of people make. "If I just couch my words in civil, 'elegant' terminology, people will listen and respond in kind." But that elegance really isn't elegant, and we can see through the veneer to the tedious, repeated argument below the surface.

Something that'srude: Going into a piano shop and playing Für Elise. Guess what everyone plays when they come into a piano shop? Gess how many times the owners and employees have had to hear that song? Do you really think it would make a difference if the notes were very well played?

Nope. It's as grating as grating can be, because it's the same damn song over and over and over.

Interesting analogy. But the shop-owner wouldn't abuse the customer. And no one here owns the shop anyway.

The shop owner wants you to buy things, so they'll be nice and complain later.
No one here hopes to sell you things, and I doubt you have plans to pay everyone for their time listening patiently to you.

And this forum, while owned by Tat, is collectively policed by the unmoderated members. It works well that way.

actually, we're the gang hanging out in the bar next to the piano store, who will not only start yelling at the umpteenth repeat of "fur elise" but criticize anything else you play and also make fun of the way you dress and occasionally even make passes at your mom (and/or your dad). although to be fair, if you play really well, we will applaud. and maybe even buy you a beer.

A+ analogy, this is my favorite so far. The actual shop owner is hiding in the back room, probably drinking heavily and occasionally laughing._________________Samsally the GrayAce

This dick joke has really spiralled out of control._________________Once, at a local NOW meeting where I was the only male among about a dozen women, a feminism trivia contest was held. I came in third.

S'all good, stripey. Sam is just too good a name to have one, I guess. I'll never be insulted if I get called Sam or Sammy. Not as fond of Sally because it just doesn't happen enough to be used to it._________________Samsally the GrayAce