Why would it be a good idea to trust the "proof" of revenue when they are lying about other aspects of their site? Even if you can independently verify their revenue numbers, that doesn't mean that the revenue is not from their own gambling, and being dishonest about one thing is an indication they are going to be dishonest about other things as well.

To think otherwise is like believing someone who has a history of scamming when they say they aren't going to steal from you if you trust them with your money again.

I am surprised as to how many naive people are defending DaDice, and am surprised how much dust signature earning have such an influence on people. [/quote]

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Even if you can independently verify their revenue numbers, that doesn't mean that the revenue is not from their own gambling

Will you trust that if they prove funds solvency ? I guess not. And tell me how will you verify the revenue because admin can always gamble as mentioned by you, and on that basis no site should auction their site ?

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and being dishonest about one thing is an indication they are going to be dishonest about other things as well.

They were not proved dishonest yet, if you ok I don't show your my balls does't mean you don't have buddy. So yes you can say they had not proved but at the same side you can't all them scammer on that basis.

Yes if a member can prove they failed to process a withdrawal I will be happy to cal them scammer.

I don't understand how so many people have been promoting such a shady site without receiving negative trust. It seems that tomatocage, quickseller and Vod have been asleep at the wheel.

Of course it is a bad idea to bid on this. If you are going to spend 300 then it would be smart to start one from scratch instead of relying on shady operators to give you code that has gotten hacked and stolen from multiple times.

I don't understand how so many people have been promoting such a shady site without receiving negative trust. It seems that tomatocage, quickseller and Vod have been asleep at the wheel.

Of course it is a bad idea to bid on this. If you are going to spend 300 then it would be smart to start one from scratch instead of relying on shady operators to give you code that has gotten hacked and stolen from multiple times.

You can't be more wrong. The whole thing is a projected speculation because of the proof of solvency issue. Da Dice has never scammed anyone nor intended to.I understand that you are not aware of majority of the facts.

I don't understand how so many people have been promoting such a shady site without receiving negative trust. It seems that tomatocage, quickseller and Vod have been asleep at the wheel.

Of course it is a bad idea to bid on this. If you are going to spend 300 then it would be smart to start one from scratch instead of relying on shady operators to give you code that has gotten hacked and stolen from multiple times.

You can't be more wrong. The whole thing is a projected speculation because of the proof of solvency issue. Da Dice has never scammed anyone nor intended to.I understand that you are not aware of majority of the facts.

Thank you for your comment. ndnhc

>I understand that you are not aware of the majority of the facts.

This is something I was told by another scammer when he was trying to explain to me why I should not think he is a scammer. I am aware of the facts, and I fully understand that it would be a bad idea to trust any money with DaDice. This is apparently a common distraction tactic used by scammers to talk their way out of admitting guilt.

>Da Dice has never scammed anyone nor intended to.

This is exactly what every new user in the lending section and in the currency exchange section says when they say they are not scammers. It may *technically* be true, however that does not mean they will not scam given the opportunity. Not that I am assured that no one has been scammed by DaDice....if they have, they probably simply have not noticed.

From the looks of things, one of two things is happening

1) They are trying to fake a sale so that more players/investors will be willing to trust them with money. This is suggested by the fact that a new giveaway/promotion was started one day prior to the sale being announced, and is going to continue even though the site is for sale.

2) They are trying to sell their unprofitable site for an absurd amount of money so they can receive the money they were hoping to scam but were unable to do so. It seems that they allowed people to continue to invest additional money despite their claim they were no longer going to do so in order to get out of having to show proof of solvency

3) Maybe they do not care which one of the above they want to do as long as they can do either one of them

I do think you have a lot more involvement in DaDice then just being their "signature campaign operator". This is shown by the fact that you are now trying to sell their site for them, that you are answering questions in their thread, and clearly have intimate knowledge of their operations/financial situation.

I think you should stop promoting DaDice immediately because I think you promoting them and working for them is making you a scammer.

I don't understand how so many people have been promoting such a shady site without receiving negative trust. It seems that tomatocage, quickseller and Vod have been asleep at the wheel.

Of course it is a bad idea to bid on this. If you are going to spend 300 then it would be smart to start one from scratch instead of relying on shady operators to give you code that has gotten hacked and stolen from multiple times.

You can't be more wrong. The whole thing is a projected speculation because of the proof of solvency issue. Da Dice has never scammed anyone nor intended to.I understand that you are not aware of majority of the facts.

Thank you for your comment. ndnhc

>I understand that you are not aware of the majority of the facts.

This is something I was told by another scammer when he was trying to explain to me why I should not think he is a scammer. I am aware of the facts, and I fully understand that it would be a bad idea to trust any money with DaDice. This is apparently a common distraction tactic used by scammers to talk their way out of admitting guilt.

>Da Dice has never scammed anyone nor intended to.

This is exactly what every new user in the lending section and in the currency exchange section says when they say they are not scammers. It may *technically* be true, however that does not mean they will not scam given the opportunity. Not that I am assured that no one has been scammed by DaDice....if they have, they probably simply have not noticed.

From the looks of things, one of two things is happening

1) They are trying to fake a sale so that more players/investors will be willing to trust them with money. This is suggested by the fact that a new giveaway/promotion was started one day prior to the sale being announced, and is going to continue even though the site is for sale.

2) They are trying to sell their unprofitable site for an absurd amount of money so they can receive the money they were hoping to scam but were unable to do so. It seems that they allowed people to continue to invest additional money despite their claim they were no longer going to do so in order to get out of having to show proof of solvency

3) Maybe they do not care which one of the above they want to do as long as they can do either one of them

I do think you have a lot more involvement in DaDice then just being their "signature campaign operator". This is shown by the fact that you are now trying to sell their site for them, that you are answering questions in their thread, and clearly have intimate knowledge of their operations/financial situation.

I think you should stop promoting DaDice immediately because I think you promoting them and working for them is making you a scammer.

Strange. I mistook your identity. hmm, sorry, that may not be applicable to you.

Why should they fake a sale? AFAIK, if I were him, I wouldn't attempt it, since all this would be expected. At least those two who posted first. I have no idea where you came from.

Initial expenses are expected to be high. They do have the potential. Take say Quickseller bids, he buys the site, makes the address public, what happens? QS is not the only one around is it?

My question is, if you don't trust the current owners, or promoters why don't you let someone else take over?

Oh boy, perspective matters.

To me, I believe Da Dice has the funds. Your claim is based on just that. You assume they don't have the funds, and that is why it is a scam. What if they were holding the funds in fiat? What if they were holding funds in a different instrument altogether? What if the funds were invested somewhere safe instead of the volatile bitcoins?

If you had attacked PrimeDice right when they started, they couldn't have grown big.

I support DD because I believe they are wrongly accused, at least for the solvency thing that is the only solid thing you are claiming about. I have the right to, and I will continue my support.

I am a quite interested in this as it certainly seems like a much better site than the bit777 I was originally looking at, and at a lower price.

However the clouds over dadice's legitimacy give me pause. I'm trying to look for a reasonable explanation for why dadice would be willing to destroy its credibility both to serious players and a potential buyer if it truly did have the bankroll/solvency, but such an explanation eludes me. I don't think this is a fatal flaw, as with a new solvent management (who can prove solvency) this can be resolved), but it would be nice to hear the fully story, even if it was as simple as "We thought it was a white-lie to say we had 500 BTC bankroll, but then backed ourselves into a corner when people started demanding we prove it. However, we never missed a payment"

Regardless, what I'm most interested in is some actual data on the expenses to date, especially on knowing the ballpark of faucet costs. But the total spent away in jackpots, advertising and other operating costs would go a long way to establishing the sites value.

I am a quite interested in this as it certainly seems like a much better site than the bit777 I was originally looking at, and at a lower price.

However the clouds over dadice's legitimacy give me pause. I'm trying to look for a reasonable explanation for why dadice would be willing to destroy its credibility both to serious players and a potential buyer if it truly did have the bankroll/solvency, but such an explanation eludes me. I don't think this is a fatal flaw, as with a new solvent management (who can prove solvency) this can be resolved), but it would be nice to hear the fully story, even if it was as simple as "We thought it was a white-lie to say we had 500 BTC bankroll, but then backed ourselves into a corner when people started demanding we prove it. However, we never missed a payment"

Regardless, what I'm most interested in is some actual data on the expenses to date, especially on knowing the ballpark of faucet costs. But the total spent away in jackpots, advertising and other operating costs would go a long way to establishing the sites value.

PM sent.

Da Dice accept that they have a 500BTC bankroll. (the current amount shown of 850BTC+ is after-kelly).

A potential buyer has a lot of advantages if he choose to buy Da Dice.

It is preferred that the buyer is trustworthy in the community and/or has a proven track record.As I said, signing an address requires both of these conditions to be satisfied, which is not possible in many cases.1. All the bankroll should be held fully in Bitcoins.2. The bitcoins should be held in a few addresses. Also, the addresses should be fully controlled by the owner.

Also understand that:1. Proving the bankroll does not guarantee safety of the funds.2. Not providing a signed address does not make any site a scam. As already said, it is not possible in all cases, for instance, take a casino holding funds in fiat to counter volatility, or a site that has it in a different instrument, or invested in a safe place or something.It is not always able to disclose everything like that, and you are expected to value an individual's privacy.3. Proof of solvency is irrelevant for this auction because the new buyer is free to make his own decisions on this aspect.The buyer is free to make the bankroll address public.This is true, because even trustworthy sites like PrimeDice hesistate to make their cold wallet addresses public.4. Da Dice has never scammed anyone or attempted to.5. Any potential buyer will be made aware of all the facts. You don't have to hijack every Da Dice thread besides adding negative trust to make your point.6. Any potential bidders are very welcome to discuss anything with us.

I am a quite interested in this as it certainly seems like a much better site than the bit777 I was originally looking at, and at a lower price.

However the clouds over dadice's legitimacy give me pause. I'm trying to look for a reasonable explanation for why dadice would be willing to destroy its credibility both to serious players and a potential buyer if it truly did have the bankroll/solvency, but such an explanation eludes me. I don't think this is a fatal flaw, as with a new solvent management (who can prove solvency) this can be resolved), but it would be nice to hear the fully story, even if it was as simple as "We thought it was a white-lie to say we had 500 BTC bankroll, but then backed ourselves into a corner when people started demanding we prove it. However, we never missed a payment"

Regardless, what I'm most interested in is some actual data on the expenses to date, especially on knowing the ballpark of faucet costs. But the total spent away in jackpots, advertising and other operating costs would go a long way to establishing the sites value.