The 'eintracht' vision that motorists are consumed by when approaching the Sainsburys next door to me is a local phenomenon and causes regular incidents, some involving cyclists and pedestrians

(I appreciate that in these PC times one cannot generalize that the majority of tunnel vision driving seems to be done by women in pursuit of Nectar points, so I wont)

Its not till you get on a bike you realise that most motorists have no awareness at all of what a cyclist experiences through inconsiderate driving

I've done much more driving than cycling recently as I've been without a bike (bloody thieves). It really isn't difficult to share the road with cyclists. They aren't going to slow you down that much to warrant dangerous driving. I have no problem with them taking the lane and setting off early from traffic lights. Perhaps it's jealousy from drivers that cyclists can travel faster in urban traffic and are healthier .

If someone opens a car door without checking that its clear. They are at fault 100%.

Car drivers are taught to be aware of other roads users. To think what will happen if someone makes a mistake. Motorbike learners are taught the same. They also learn defensive riding techniques. So they are aware of the problem of putting themselves in harms way.

I did not mean cyclists have to move out of the way of cars. My point was cyclists have to do the same to keep safe.

It has amazed me that some on here cant or wont see that. Taking into account how venerable cyclists are.

If someone opens a car door without checking that its clear. They are at fault 100%.

Car drivers are taught to be aware of other roads users. To think what will happen if someone makes a mistake. Motorbike learners are taught the same. They also learn defensive riding techniques. So they are aware of the problem of putting themselves in harms way.

I did not mean cyclists have to move out of the way of cars. My point was cyclists have to do the same to keep safe.

It has amazed me that some on here cant or wont see that. Taking into account how venerable cyclists are.

Great Freudian slip mate!

If that really is the case, all other road users should move aside and doff their caps every time they see a cyclist.

Cyclists having very little, if any protection when a accident happens. They should be more aware of the danger they can be in.

As an avid cyclist, this is probably the best advice any cyclist can take, cos let's face it not matter how much polystyrene you wear, or how many bright halogen lamps you adorn yourself with, you WILL con of second best in any collision.

It is of course incumbent upon all of us to take care of the most vulnerable and venerable in society. Of course, people should look out for themselves, but shouldn't we be concentrating stopping offenders rather than saying the victims should have taken more care?

It is of course incumbent upon all of us to take care of the most vulnerable and venerable in society. Of course, people should look out for themselves, but shouldn't we be concentrating stopping offenders rather than saying the victims should have taken more care?

Yes

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