Look guys. We PC gamers have triumphantly crowed that each new generation of consoles was heralding the "end of the console era." And we know that every new generation of consoles have sold more than the last generation.

But this time, we really, really mean it. It's really going to be the end of consoles, we pinky swear.

No, don't you see, you fool! If only you had built your very own gaming rig! You could have only spent a few hundred dollars each month to upgrade your memory, video cards, samoflanges, vibrating computer desk chairs, and more! You could have been a gaming god! How DARE you be happy sitting in your couch and play on a console attached to your 60" LCD, and then watch a movie with your loved ones! You need to be sitting in front of your super high definition 24" monitor with your surround sound headphones! You technophobe!

Is that Uncharted 3? It really doesn't look all that good. You only think it does because you're sitting 15 feet from the TV. I have the game and enjoyed it for the most part, but if you think it's the crowned achievement of graphics, then wow. Just wow.

PC gamers (like myself) should be happy that there is a new generation of consoles out with newer hardware, it means that lots of features that we have had access to might finally get used (Such as DX11). Games will look better, and since both the XBO and PS4 are x86 machines, it means that porting games just got that much easier, and maybe, just maybe, we'll see fewer console exclusive games

the_sidewinder:PC gamers (like myself) should be happy that there is a new generation of consoles out with newer hardware, it means that lots of features that we have had access to might finally get used (Such as DX11). Games will look better, and since both the XBO and PS4 are x86 machines, it means that porting games just got that much easier, and maybe, just maybe, we'll see fewer console exclusive games

So much this. There have been so many great looking games for the for the 360 and PS3 that were utter trash when ported to the PC.

IT COSTS $4000 TO BUILD A GAMING PC YOU IGNORANT RUBES. Then you are literally chained to a desk, there is NO WAY to plug it into a larger display and even if there was some crazy magic that let you, trying to use a mouse and keyboard on a couch is impossible, they just won't work that far away from the computer desk. Technology just hasn't solved these problems yet.

Cytokine Storm:IT COSTS $4000 TO BUILD A GAMING PC YOU IGNORANT RUBES. Then you are literally chained to a desk, there is NO WAY to plug it into a larger display and even if there was some crazy magic that let you, trying to use a mouse and keyboard on a couch is impossible, they just won't work that far away from the computer desk. Technology just hasn't solved these problems yet.

Meh. I admit that I'm getting a little schadenfreude from this, seeing Sony and Microsoft fanbois being targeted by the same lies they spread about the Wii a few years ago. But really, it's no truer for them than it was for the Wii.

Generations are about time of release, full stop. Nothing else has any real meaning.

Elegy:Look guys. We PC gamers have triumphantly crowed that each new generation of consoles was heralding the "end of the console era." And we know that every new generation of consoles have sold more than the last generation.

But this time, we really, really mean it. It's really going to be the end of consoles, we pinky swear.

This time, it's going to be different, we promise.

It's just the opposite. Each generations of consoles have been the ones that are "going to kill PC gaming!"

CynicalLA:Cytokine Storm: IT COSTS $4000 TO BUILD A GAMING PC YOU IGNORANT RUBES. Then you are literally chained to a desk, there is NO WAY to plug it into a larger display and even if there was some crazy magic that let you, trying to use a mouse and keyboard on a couch is impossible, they just won't work that far away from the computer desk. Technology just hasn't solved these problems yet.

I'll just stick to the nice and easy to use console.

Wrong on all accounts. Hopefully sarcasm.

It was. Last thread I tried over the top sarcasm as well but so many people bought into it, it made me have a sad.

In reality I do both, console and PC. I've got a pretty elaborate (but not that expensive) setup after years of tinkering - both my consoles and primary gaming PC are hooked up to the same 1080p projector - so most of my game playing takes place from the couch regardless of machine, at 120" of life-size goodness.Only time I really sit at a desk anymore is when I'm doing work.

Carousel Beast:Elegy: Look guys. We PC gamers have triumphantly crowed that each new generation of consoles was heralding the "end of the console era." And we know that every new generation of consoles have sold more than the last generation.

But this time, we really, really mean it. It's really going to be the end of consoles, we pinky swear.

This time, it's going to be different, we promise.

It's just the opposite. Each generations of consoles have been the ones that are "going to kill PC gaming!"

Is that Uncharted 3? It really doesn't look all that good. You only think it does because you're sitting 15 feet from the TV. I have the game and enjoyed it for the most part, but if you think it's the crowned achievement of graphics, then wow. Just wow.

Cytokine Storm:CynicalLA: Cytokine Storm: IT COSTS $4000 TO BUILD A GAMING PC YOU IGNORANT RUBES. Then you are literally chained to a desk, there is NO WAY to plug it into a larger display and even if there was some crazy magic that let you, trying to use a mouse and keyboard on a couch is impossible, they just won't work that far away from the computer desk. Technology just hasn't solved these problems yet.

I'll just stick to the nice and easy to use console.

Wrong on all accounts. Hopefully sarcasm.

It was. Last thread I tried over the top sarcasm as well but so many people bought into it, it made me have a sad.

In reality I do both, console and PC. I've got a pretty elaborate (but not that expensive) setup after years of tinkering - both my consoles and primary gaming PC are hooked up to the same 1080p projector - so most of my game playing takes place from the couch regardless of machine, at 120" of life-size goodness.Only time I really sit at a desk anymore is when I'm doing work.

Thank Jesus, I hate that stupid argument. I've been using my Sony 52" TV for years now and Steam's big picture mode makes it easy.

baufan2005:Graphics have jumped greatly but I find that both console and pc games are becoming way too easy. It's almost to the point of if you can't beat a level or certain challenge the ai will do it for you.

It hasn't changed much. Prettier pictures, but that's about it; nothing that matters. The PS4 is still nothing more than an upgraded PS1, and the XBone is still nothing more than an upgraded XBox; neither company has brought anything new to the table since their very first offerings.

Every console since NES has been exactly the same.

Nintendo's really the only one that has ever had significant differences across generations, and even they haven't managed that most of the time.

rufus-t-firefly:You mean launch titles aren't as 'good' as titles from a few years later? They tend to not push the limits of the system, while the later ones get all they can out of the console's hardware?

GET OUT.

"The Last of Us" is a perfect example of that. Game looks amazing for a PS3 title and I'm sure GTAV will look good as well.

Millennium:It hasn't changed much. Prettier pictures, but that's about it; nothing that matters. The PS4 is still nothing more than an upgraded PS1, and the XBone is still nothing more than an upgraded XBox; neither company has brought anything new to the table since their very first offerings.

But the same can be said for PC, only more so, even the user interface hasn't changed at all (mouse/keyboard) compared to at least new controllers for consoles.

I like controllers in general more than WASD setups, I just find it more comfortable, also, it's still less annoying to hook up a console to a TV than a computer. But really, why do people care so much? Buy the game on the platform you like, there are few enough console specific games these days that it really matters which you choose.

nmrsnr:Millennium: It hasn't changed much. Prettier pictures, but that's about it; nothing that matters. The PS4 is still nothing more than an upgraded PS1, and the XBone is still nothing more than an upgraded XBox; neither company has brought anything new to the table since their very first offerings.

But the same can be said for PC, only more so, even the user interface hasn't changed at all (mouse/keyboard) compared to at least new controllers for consoles.

I like controllers in general more than WASD setups, I just find it more comfortable, also, it's still less annoying to hook up a console to a TV than a computer. But really, why do people care so much? Buy the game on the platform you like, there are few enough console specific games these days that it really matters which you choose.

All new video cards come with a HDMI output just like consoles. And they sell wireless XBOX controllers for the PC.

Millennium:Prettier pictures, but that's about it; nothing that matters. The PS4 is still nothing more than an upgraded PS1, and the XBone is still nothing more than an upgraded XBox; neither company has brought anything new to the table since their very first offerings.

this is a load of horse shiat and if you don't actually know that, spending some time playing some of the best games from each console will show you exactly why you are wrong.

baufan2005:Graphics have jumped greatly but I find that both console and pc games are becoming way too easy. It's almost to the point of if you can't beat a level or certain challenge the ai will do it for you.

Back in the day they didn't measure the scope of a single-player game in terms of hours, because how long it took you to see the ending -- or even whether you'd see it at all -- was a function of how well you had mastered the gameplay.

Sure, Super Mario Bros. may be theoretically beatable in under 5 minutes, but I'm betting as a 10-year-old you spent hours and hours and saw dozens of Game Over screens trying to get past the Hammer Brothers. How many hours long in Super Mario Bros.?

CynicalLA:All new video cards come with a HDMI output just like consoles.

I didn't say it was hard, I said more annoying. Do people have computers that are constantly connected to their TVs? I have a laptop that I like to be able to use from my table, my couch, my bedroom, and I use my PS3 as a media center to stream my media to the TV when I want to watch video from my computer on the TV screen, having to plug it in to the TV every time I want to play games is a step I don't have to take with just a console. Not a huge hassle, but why bother when the PS3 is already there?

Cytokine Storm:IT COSTS $4000 TO BUILD A GAMING PC YOU IGNORANT RUBES. Then you are literally chained to a desk, there is NO WAY to plug it into a larger display and even if there was some crazy magic that let you, trying to use a mouse and keyboard on a couch is impossible, they just won't work that far away from the computer desk. Technology just hasn't solved these problems yet.

Except that Atari 400/800 owners (1979) weren't all that impressed with NES (1985). Ok, there was that thing called the Atari 5200 (1982) which was basically an Atari 400 without a keyboard. For what its worth, the intellivision was the "state of the art console" when the Atari was released. The lead design, Jay Miner (and presumably a few of his team), went on to create the Amiga. I'm sure Amiga users were no doubt amused by all pre-3d consoles (I learned my lesson with the 400/800 about buying into a computer that was "good at games").

The funny thing here is that consoles pwned PCs (i.e. IBM compatibles, other types were another story) until the 3dFX Voodoo came along: sprites, moving playfields, sane graphics: what's that? The only thing PCs had going was high resolution graphics (and then only by the 1990s, pre-[s]VGA was pretty sad) and that was rarely used due to glacial framerates (Myst worked well at those framerates, and largely designed that way because macs were worse).

This was linked in the article, and it's a good watch. I think this + kinect like motion sensing could make the most psychologically damaging, life sucking mmog imaginable. The kinect being there to animate your avatar's limbs, so that when you lift your arms in front of your face, arms of your avatar display. Etc. Throw some noise cancelling, surround headphones in. Sit in a chair made of acoustic foam in a room exactly 71f degrees. BAM holodeck, kinda.

You're absolutely correct that developers had to take some shortcuts to get good graphics out of the platform, but the thing PCs had going for them was the most complex input scheme in wide use, only made more complex and accurate by the adoption of the mouse. Just putting that on the record.

frepnog:Millennium: Prettier pictures, but that's about it; nothing that matters. The PS4 is still nothing more than an upgraded PS1, and the XBone is still nothing more than an upgraded XBox; neither company has brought anything new to the table since their very first offerings.

this is a load of horse shiat and if you don't actually know that, spending some time playing some of the best games from each console will show you exactly why you are wrong.

There was NOTHING like Doom on a console for a VERY long time. There was NOTHING like Magic Carpet. There was NOTHING like Decent. Nothing like Marathon. All of that pre-dates the voodoo. For a very long time, the PC was VASTLY superior to ALL the consoles until around the Xbox\PS2\Gamecube era, when the consoles finally caught up to a degree and then were outclassed again almost immediately by the PC.