lol, is a cartoon ffs, do you really care about the lives of a fictional character whose claim to fame is a story in 40 drawings or less?

Feb 23, 2013 at 8:47 pm · @Reply ·

Josh in OR

@BChad: Yes, I was aware of his opinions, back when he wrote Ultimate Iron Man. I didn’t buy that title, I haven’t bought his Ender’s Game comics, and since he hasn’t had any new contracted work with Marvel since he became one of the Board of Directors for NOM,I don’t have an issue with Marvel. There are many comic writers and artists who hold opinions I disagree with. They aren’t serving on the board of directors of a group actively working to deny or remove rights from gay people.

DC chose to work with OSC after his commitment to helping NOM in their quest for oppression of a minority, thus, DC is the target of my ire. *Shrugs* Not hard to understand, really.

@tidalpool: And you wasted how much time coming on here to mock people who enjoy comics. Who’s the bigger loser?

Feb 24, 2013 at 12:27 am · @Reply ·

BChad

@Josh in OR: Sorry to disappoint you but her joined NOM in April of ’09. Here is the announcement.

@BChad: So, let me ask you something. Do you understand the difference between “honoring a contract” and “hiring to write new and original stories”? Let’s look at that list, why don’t we.

Original, new work…: Ultimate Iron Man. Which was so poorly recieved and has been so utterly retconned since the writing (in 2005) that it may as well not even exist.

Ender’s Game crap: The only thing Marvel has published since the controversial decision to join NOM by the writer, and clearly published as part of a contract with the writer. The title published in June 2012 that you use to try to call me a hypocrite? Part 5 of an Ender’s Game prequel.

There’s a little thing involved with the Ender’s Game stuff that you are clearly unaware of (or disingenuously avoiding) called contract law. Marvel had two options upon Card’s publically joining NOM: Fire him immediately and give him MORE money after he sues Marvel for Breach of Contract…or honor their contract and not hire him for any new work.

Marvel chose the latter option, clearly, and unless they, like DC, hire him for new or original work…your point falls apart.

Feb 25, 2013 at 2:22 pm · @Reply ·

BChad

@Josh in OR: You’re very defensive. I never once called you a hypocrite at all, or even implied it. At worst I may have implied an unawareness of his further works at Marvel.

I have no knowledge of any contract he may or may not have at Marvel, or what it may contain. Nor have I once claimed that I did. You speak as though you obviously do. I only pointed out that they continued publishing his works up until 2012.

I guess Marvel is in quite the contract pickle with OSC seeing as how his comic work, Formic Wars wasn’t actually based on an existing novel and in fact was published before the novel Earth Unaware, which is the novelization of the prequel. So it was, in essence, original comic book work that was simply based in the Ender’s universe.

I’m not a Marvel fan as about 90% of my pull list is DC. I haven’t decided yet if I am going to drop them for publishing one two-part OSC story in what is billed as a digital comic (though it is getting a print version as well) that is apparently taking place outside of continuity, or just not buy this particular book.

I do love how you tried to insult me with the whole “disingenuously avoiding” thing even though I was nothing but polite if not direct up to this point. Your defensiveness and rudeness, however, come off as someone trying to swallow their guilt at not wanting to give up something they are (most likely) passionate about. I understand this feeling.

At any rate it saddens me this discussion went the way it did. Gay comic nerds are bit of a rarity and I’m usually excited to find another.

Feb 25, 2013 at 3:18 pm · @Reply ·

Josh in OR

@BChad: Apologies for getting snarky, man. I’ve been involved in a discussion about the OSC issue over on Comicbookresources.com and have been called a fascist, a McCarthyite, a champion of censorship and an opponent of the 1st Amendment for daring to express my problem with DC hiring OSC and my decision to not purchase his work – or anything DC produces – because of it.

That tends to make one a bit touchy. Especially since the same people calling me those names have tried to use the “Well, Marvel worked with him too!” line of argument.

The simple facts are that Marvel began it’s relationship with OSC before he joined the board of NOM and entered into a contract with him to produce Ender’s Game material based on the popularity of that brand. Since his becoming a board member of a hate group that actively seeks to dehumanize fellow human beings over an immutable trait, they have not, to my knowledge, contracted any new work. It’s all Ender’s Game crap, and nothing but. At that time that Marvel entered it’s relationship with OSC, he was simply a writer with a repellant personal belief system, and I’m not going to punish a publisher simply because they hire someone with whom I disagree. I can just avoid that artist’s work, or even enjoy it for what it is without caring what the writer or artist may think about liberals/gays/women/whatever.

DC, meanwhile, HAS entered a new contractual relationship with Card, to produce a story about their flagship character, and has banked on the man’s controversial actions to fuel publicity, a cynical (or stupid) decision that runs counter to their claim of being pro-equality. My pull list, prior to this, included several DC titles (Aquaman, Justice League, Batman, Batman & Robin, Nightwing, Stormwatch, Earth 2, Teen Titans, Superboy, Action Comics and others), and I was looking forward to seeing Man of Steel on the big screen like most other comic nerds (the cast is fantastic and Henry Cavill in tights? Yes, please!). Now, though, I don’t feel comfortable giving DC my money, knowing that said money will help support NOM through OSC’s connection to that body.

The moment Marvel gets involved with OSC on a new project (or a flagship character), I will not be giving them a free pass, here. I’ll drop them as well, making my pull list VERY light – leaving Morning Glories, Locke & Key, and one offs or tie-ins to properties I dig – which will only save me money.

@Josh in OR: Hah, no worries. I can’t even read the comments sections on mainstream comics sites without getting upset, grumpy, and or horrified, much less participate. So I totally get being on edge. Water under the bridge.

I’m so conflicted on the whole thing right now it’s not even funny. I’m extremely bothered by the fact that DC hired him to do this story, which I know I won’t be buying, but at the same time they have always been pretty up there with gay visibility in comics, not to mention having some awesome gay artists and writers. Marc Andreyko did such awesome stuff in Manhunter with Obsidian and his boyfriend. Batwoman still excels at the awesome.

I might be naive, but I honestly don’t think DC hired him for publicity. More than likely they just weren’t paying attention. Sadly I have noticed it’s a rare day that people pay attention to gay issues (beyond the stuff they see in the news and what have you) unless they are gay themselves. Should they have done their research better? Yeah, totally. But hiring someone like him for publicity goes against everything they have done previously. At least in my opinion.

I think if I don’t end giving up on DC, then I’m going to at least donate some money to a gay youth charity.