I don't mind them at all, even the ones who do "hit on me". I just handle them as if they were a girl with a crush on me. The only gay people I don't like are the hardcore flaunters, the ones who get called "an asshole" and then react with "YOU'RE SAYING THAT JUST BECAUSE I'M GAY YOU FLAMING HOMOPHOBE". Luckily, not many flaunters around here.

So in Human Behavior class today we learned about nature vs nurture and I can safely say that my recent statement that gays are not born gay has to be true assuming that there isn't a biological factor involved. Think about it. Everything happens for a reason. I honestly don't understand the argument "gays are just gay because they're gay and stuff". It's just a very juvenile argument with nothing to support it. I think people support this "argument" for the simple reason of they don't want to be "homophobic" or whatever. As stated in some earlier posts of mine, some people give gays special treatment to not come off as a "homophobe". The way I see it, this is a pretty good example of such an action. Gays could very well be "born" gay. But not in the way most of you think. The only reasonable explanation behind a person being born gay would be if there was a "gay gene" or something similar (one guy posted an article about brain shape determining whether someone is gay). You guys can believe whatever you want if that helps you sleep at night, it doesn't make it true.

So in Human Behavior class today we learned about nature vs nurture and I can safely say that my recent statement that gays are not born gay has to be true assuming that there isn't a biological factor involved. Think about it. Everything happens for a reason. I honestly don't understand the argument "gays are just gay because they're gay and stuff". It's just a very juvenile argument with nothing to support it. I think people support this "argument" for the simple reason of they don't want to be "homophobic" or whatever. As stated in some earlier posts of mine, some people give gays special treatment to not come off as a "homophobe". The way I see it, this is a pretty good example of such an action. Gays could very well be "born" gay. But not in the way most of you think. The only reasonable explanation behind a person being born gay would be if there was a "gay gene" or something similar (one guy posted an article about brain shape determining whether someone is gay). You guys can believe whatever you want if that helps you sleep at night, it doesn't make it true.

There are both strong biological factors at birth and environmental ones shortly after that effect sexuality - of course no-one is "born gay" but no one literally claims such things either. Here's one study that hints towards biological factors:

There are both strong biological factors at birth and environmental ones shortly after that effect sexuality - of course no-one is "born gay" but no one literally claims such things either. Here's one study that hints towards biological factors:

I'm pretty damn sure it's not solely one thing, many factors contribute to the process.

I believe that being gay can be an act of nature and nurture as well as a personal choice. I'll explain all three.

Nature: It could very well be that gays are born with a different set of genes or other biological factors that contribute to being gay. Don't look past it. Some people have posted some pretty good articles based on the idea that gays are born differently biologically.

Nurture: Let's say you don't have any biological factors that make you gay. What if you were raised by gay parents at a very young age. You could adopt the belief that being in a gay relationship is what love actually is depending on other environmental factors (such as straight friends). I'm not saying it's wrong to love another man/woman.

Personal choice: Let's say you're a man and you've been in several relationships with other women. All of them have been just plain nasty to you (slept with other guys, wanting money - not love, etc.) and you pretty much just say "fuck it" and decide to start dating other men. Sure, it would be an adjustment. In fact, it would be a huge adjustment. It doesn't mean it's not possible, though. Believe it or not, there have been straight men that turn gay for personal reasons. The said example is just one of probably several.

I just thought I'd clear things up a little just in case someone didn't understand what I was getting at.

Personal choice: Let's say you're a man and you've been in several relationships with other women. All of them have been just plain nasty to you (slept with other guys, wanting money - not love, etc.) and you pretty much just say "fuck it" and decide to start dating other men. Sure, it would be an adjustment. In fact, it would be a huge adjustment. It doesn't mean it's not possible, though. Believe it or not, there have been straight men that turn gay for personal reasons. The said example is just one of probably several.

I just thought I'd clear things up a little just in case someone didn't understand what I was getting at.

Sorry, but you can't choose what you're attracted to, it just doesn't work that way (Look up sexuality "correction" and see how many "ex-gay" people have suffered from depression or attempted suicide), you can realise or come to terms with the fact that you find men or women sexually or romantically attractive, but you don't suddenly "turn gay".

I believe the term is flaming queen, and I don't like them either. They make us look bad by perpetuating stereotypes. And being gay is not a choice. Do you really think I want to be a discriminated against minority? "Hmm, I feel like being hated by my entire family this week, I think I'll be gay." That is not how this works.

I believe the term is flaming queen, and I don't like them either. They make us look bad by perpetuating stereotypes. And being gay is not a choice. Do you really think I want to be a discriminated against minority? "Hmm, I feel like being hated by my entire family this week, I think I'll be gay." That is not how this works.

The best response to make when someone says homosexuality is a choice is "When did you choose to be straight?"

6th March 2012
Last edited by Flash; 6th March 2012 at 07:08PM.
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Well, I've always been heterosexual I have no clue how it came to my sexual identity but it did. Homosexuality is no different if you feel an attraction to a man or a girl to girl than that's pretty hot. I also find it odd how heterosexual males find gays disgusting, but females find it cute.

I believe that being gay can be an act of nature and nurture as well as a personal choice. I'll explain all three.

Nature: It could very well be that gays are born with a different set of genes or other biological factors that contribute to being gay. Don't look past it. Some people have posted some pretty good articles based on the idea that gays are born differently biologically.

Nurture: Let's say you don't have any biological factors that make you gay. What if you were raised by gay parents at a very young age. You could adopt the belief that being in a gay relationship is what love actually is depending on other environmental factors (such as straight friends). I'm not saying it's wrong to love another man/woman.

Personal choice: Let's say you're a man and you've been in several relationships with other women. All of them have been just plain nasty to you (slept with other guys, wanting money - not love, etc.) and you pretty much just say "fuck it" and decide to start dating other men. Sure, it would be an adjustment. In fact, it would be a huge adjustment. It doesn't mean it's not possible, though. Believe it or not, there have been straight men that turn gay for personal reasons. The said example is just one of probably several.

I just thought I'd clear things up a little just in case someone didn't understand what I was getting at.

your nurture argument stands no ground, as milkandcooki pointed out
your personal choice argument is just as bad. if you think that everyone can change their attractions, I suggest that you might be in some denial, and projecting your own traits onto others

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i don't know why it's been acceptable in this forum to post bullshit without evidence and not get banned

Sorry, but you can't choose what you're attracted to, it just doesn't work that way (Look up sexuality "correction" and see how many "ex-gay" people have suffered from depression or attempted suicide), you can realise or come to terms with the fact that you find men or women sexually or romantically attractive, but you don't suddenly "turn gay".

I never said a person can "suddenly" turn gay. Sorry if it seemed that way.

I believe that being gay can be an act of nature and nurture as well as a personal choice. I'll explain all three.

Nature: It could very well be that gays are born with a different set of genes or other biological factors that contribute to being gay. Don't look past it. Some people have posted some pretty good articles based on the idea that gays are born differently biologically.

Nurture: Let's say you don't have any biological factors that make you gay. What if you were raised by gay parents at a very young age. You could adopt the belief that being in a gay relationship is what love actually is depending on other environmental factors (such as straight friends). I'm not saying it's wrong to love another man/woman.

Personal choice: Let's say you're a man and you've been in several relationships with other women. All of them have been just plain nasty to you (slept with other guys, wanting money - not love, etc.) and you pretty much just say "fuck it" and decide to start dating other men. Sure, it would be an adjustment. In fact, it would be a huge adjustment. It doesn't mean it's not possible, though. Believe it or not, there have been straight men that turn gay for personal reasons. The said example is just one of probably several.

I just thought I'd clear things up a little just in case someone didn't understand what I was getting at.

Is anything more than a suggestion. Also, I fail to see the moral distinction between casting such a belief over a group or just one person.

your nurture argument stands no ground, as milkandcooki pointed out
your personal choice argument is just as bad. if you think that everyone can change their attractions, I suggest that you might be in some denial, and projecting your own traits onto others

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i don't know why it's been acceptable in this forum to post bullshit without evidence and not get banned

No, my argument was just fine. I never said "all gay people are gay because their parents were". If you could read, I said it all depends on other environmental factors. If you're home-schooled in a house with two gay parents, yes you will probably be gay since that is what you've seen love as. Also, people CAN change their attractions. People have turned gay before. It's not "oh you're one or the other your whole life". I'm not in one bit of denial. I admit when I'm wrong or have been defeated and this is not one of those times.