re: Angels won't improve by adding Hamilton

quote:Shhhh. I love when people post shite purely based on name values without looking things up.

Torii was worth 2.1 more games than Hamilton last year according to Baseball Reference War.

Yawn, clearly Hunter is a better defensive player even with his no longer unbelievable defensive abilites that he had back in Minnesota, but Hamilton was clearly better.

Hamilton: 148 games 43 homers 60 walks .354 OBP .577 SLG .930 OPS

Hunter: 140 games 16 homers 38 walks .365 OBP .451 SLG .817 OPS

Do not just blindly recite WAR. Anyone with half a brain can see Hamilton was a superior player. FWIW, Hamilton had a higher oWAR last year by the way. Your entire argument is based on defensive metrics, which are fairly skeptical to believe in nature.

quote:Do not just blindly recite WAR. Anyone with half a brain can see Hamilton was a superior was better player. FWIW, Hamilton had a higher oWAR last year by the way. Your entire argument is based on defensive metrics, which are fairly skeptical to believe in nature.

Josh Hamilton had an OPS+ of 139 Hunter was at 132.

I never said Hamilton wasn't better, but it's not a slam dunk like some were acting.

Hunter is not a better defensive player than Hamilton right now at all. And Torii Hunter was my favorite Angel the last few years. He gave my daughter a big smile and waived to her when she said heyyy Torii last year. He's just getting old.

quote:Is the mean 100 on a year-by-year basis, since this is not adjusted by eras?

It's not only adjusted by league average each year, but by park factor.

I also think WAR is perhaps the worst idea in the history of sports analysis. It just leads to lazy and wrong-headed analysis. The kind of analysis of simply regurgitating received wisdom without thinking about it that the early sabermetricians hated so much.

Oh, and Hunter had a great year that he had about zero chance of duplicating. I do think people are ignoring the great year Hunter had, so its not like Hamilton adds a lot of production relative to last season, but he's still clearly an upgrade.

quote:I also think WAR is perhaps the worst idea in the history of sports analysis.

Wrong.

Its a great idea.

Its not their fault people want to use it as an end all be all. But people always do that. Frankly if people are gonna do it, Id rather them do it with WAR then BA or RBI's. I assume you were being hyperbolic.

No, I actually mean it. I think the One True Number method of analysis is inherently wrong. And it's turned thoughtful analysis into largely lazy and stupid analysis. No single development in sports has lead to more terrible analysis than the invention of WAR.

The world would be better off had it never been invented. It's not just wrong in execution, it's wrong in theory.

I have no thoughts on advanced statistics, as this thread has turned in that direction. I just wanted to state that Angels have seemed to put together the greatest slow pitch softball team ever assembled and will score runs comparable to that.

quote:No, I actually mean it. I think the One True Number method of analysis is inherently wrong. And it's turned thoughtful analysis into largely lazy and stupid analysis. No single development in sports has lead to more terrible analysis than the invention of WAR.

Well I disagree and I'm not gonna argue why, lazy people will always do lazy analysis, this is nothing new. WAR hasn't made it worse, it just changed the numbers they are using.