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Tangentially related, I never understood why turning in the same paper for different classes is "plagerism". A, it's not. You wrote the paper. You can't plagerize yourself. B, the teacher is cheating you if they make you do the same assignment twice for a different grade.

Let us find out how I can possibly restate the same idea from a previous assignment slightly differently in as many words and ways as physically possible, while maintaining at least some level of legibility and flow in the paper.

We should attempt to reword previous statement or arguments from other works using a vast vocabulary from the current writer's venacular. Is this possible in a physical sense? I say maybe. The struggle is when the author tries to maintain a sentence structure that is easily digestible and understandable by the reader, yet is still different from the previous text. Even when scrutinized by the careful eye of an academic grader.

Right? I rewrote the same research paper on the history and content of net neutrality from 8th grade computer studies to my college level junior research paper. I just updated my sources and added new content each time.

I completely agree. They're still my ideas. If the same arguments can be made for two different situations, having used them once already isn't a good reason to not use them again. I think it's just an effort/work/time spent expectation they have.

But I also I can usually get around this by adding my first paper as a reference in the second.

This actually happened to me in highschool, the teacher gave the same assignment at the start and end of the year and I just looked up my old assignment and turned it in. We did online submissions that went through this giant database of other student's papers, mine lit up like a firework for copying my own submission months earlier. The teacher turned me in.

I argued it and it escalated to my school principle, who said it wasn't against the rules to "plagerize" yourself, but clearly it wasn't the intent of the assignment. The teacher had to accept my submission.

Needless to say she was still pissed and graded it 10 percent lower, citing "my standards for writing proficiency are higher for a end of year student than start of year student." Somehow both sides felt cheated- my teacher wanted to flunk me (didn't like me), and I got a lot lower grade than expected. Oh well

Self-plagiarism isn't about stealing the work and representing it as your own, it's about presenting past effort as current effort. They are two different sides the the same coin that is a lazy student.

The point of assignments is to put forth the effort and then receive formative feedback (or summative feedback if it is a final assessment for the subject). If you aren't putting forth the required effort (i.e., you are reusing an old assignment) then you don't deserve any marks at all because you didn't follow the assignment instructions.

They say that's an extreme sport. Shout out to my English teacher whose mom was the science teacher that had after English and letting me finish the science homework during her class. Legit said, "go ahead and finish, I know how she can be sometimes."

What a legend. One of my teachers informed my next teacher I was doing the homework the class before. But it was a free period, like I don't do Irish so it was always free for me to do whatever. Would legit plan to do homework then.

The teacher i did the homework for basically told me that Irish teacher was full of shit and didn't care.

I was undiagnosed 2 years ago. Feel great now. But I’m going to die young from all the heart attacks for trying to get shit done at the last minute. Never again will I do a 10 page paper in 8ish hours straight. Gotta stop that shit.

you really don't know much about ADHD then. We not only work better under pressure - 95% of the time weonly work under pressure, and will do everything else to avoid doing something we don't want to, all the way till the last minute. And it's not an excuse, it's a disorder.

He's not talking about ADHD, he's talking about the excuse: "I work better under pressure."

...and he's likely referring to the fact people say they work better under stress, when the reality is stress physically screws you over. Increased blood pressure, higher blood sugar, tense muscles, gastrointestinal issues, etc. To say someone works 'better under stress' is a cop-out when you put that into perspective.

It's more accurate we, like he said, don't work at all unless an absolute deadline is around the corner. As a procrastinator myself, I know that if I worked on something focused, well-rested, and with no deadline I do better work than the last-minute scramble.

I do all the above and still manage to work because my survival instincts finally kick in and I get a massive adrenaline boost which enables me to get a passing grade most of the times. But I've been badly burned on numerous occasions and it seems like I have yet to learn from my past mistakes.

One time i had a book report due on a Friday. I woke up that day realizing i was screwed. I haven't even chosen a book. So i did the logical thing. I faked sick.

Cool, now i have until Monday.

Sunday night, still haven't chosen a book yet. Set an alarm for 6:00 Monday morning.

That morning i chose a book, bs'ed the report (made up the entire story), and decided on a project. I made a comic book of the plot. I made comics in my free time (i read the caption underpants book, George and Harold were my idols). Did everything in about an hour. Got a 95.

I wrote most of my papers the night before they were due, and I usually receive As. But writing is probably my greatest strength as a student. If I would have waited to study for a math test until the night before, I probably would not be a college graduate right now. So I guess I’m saying my secret was being really good at that one thing. I believe everyone has at least one thing they’re really good at.

In an English 101 class in college, I had a professor who understood students like this, as she did the same thing. Doing it last minute gave motivation. As long as some thinking went into it before that last minute, projects usually work out fine.

I am like this. I know when it's due, but I can't be bothered with it until the day before or even the day of. Granted, I don't sit around doing nothing. I think about it at work, or at home in between video games. Make mental notes of what may need to be looked up. Explore what I know versus unknown.

When I start, I usually have a general feel of where I want the project to head. I got a writing award in that class, and I even got compared to Hitler when I wrote about population control, which I took as a compliment since that is where my head was at when I started writing. (Subject to write about was "hot button topics")

Point being it's okay to wait to the last minute. Just don't go in blind.

For me, it was the urgency of the situation that made me focus better and just get it done. Without the deadline approaching, i could never focus. Once I knew i had mere hours until the deadline, it was laser like focus on the task at hand.

Yeah my friend’s teacher for I think history would not let anyone get 100%. My friend even got like a 99 and an extra credit point but the teacher didn’t count the extra credit point and said that “you already did well so you don’t need the extra point”

My first year in university I had this one class. I didn’t miss a single class during the semester. On the last day the professor was going over the breakdown of how our grade was calculated and said that the maximum score you could get for attendance was 95% “because no one is perfect”. I literally had perfect attendance but couldn’t get a perfect score because apparently no one is perfect.

Technically speaking, teachers still can and do often set expectations at a reachable level (called "zone of proximal development") so that 100% can be achieved while still being able to support those A+, 100% achievers with supplementary info on what wasn't assigned to them but is expected at higher levels of learning in that same skill set.

Not some american teachers. 99% encompasses a huge effort range from "Didn't make any mistakes I could point out" to "went well above what was asked for, might as well be a professional paper on the subject rather than a random homework assignment"

It's probably true. It's just that there's no way that 90% of the general population leaves it until the night before and you pull an all-nighter while you furiously work on your laptop in the dark for 5 hours straight

Because you don't spend two entire weeks doing something, you spend parts of those two weeks to work on it over time. A lot more low stress and gives you time to fix mistakes. Sounds a lot smarter than rushing something because of poor time management.

Not always. My AP US History teacher told a girl in my class "See, now this project is the perfect example of someone who started it early and took their time", even though I did it in 2 days. To be fair, he also told her I went downhill after that and said I was a "Lazy Larry"

I procrastinated as much as if not more than the normal student, but my point is, if an assignment should ACTUALLY take you weeks, you can't finish it in one morning. All i'm getting at. You may be able to put something together than looks somewhat complete and satisfies the requirements, but it will probably still look a bit thrown together.

I have to disagree, as in my own experience that last minute Rush has gotten some of my highest grades (with th exception of my senior project as I was making a video game so I took as much time as possible to do as much as I could.) if you don't work well in long drags then you're gonna put it off and crunch at the end and do better.

Yeah, my speech teacher did this. She would give us usually 1 week for a speech, which was plenty. I did them ALL the night before (my speech class was my first class, so I had no time to get them done the same day). Sometimes she would give us 2 or even 3 weeks if we had other things to do, and almost every time she gave us more than 1 week we would only have 3 kids actually done. Everyone just forgot and never did their speeches. It made it easy for me, I could slack and still get a good grade because I actually did it lol

The older I get the more I realise how much I must have pissed my teachers off with this shit. Handing in work I clearly started the night before, still scraping a C or B, then totally ignoring them when they told me how good I'd do if I put some effort in.

L

Did this to perfection one year. Had a term paper that said if you haven't started it by halfway through the semester you will not get a passing grade. Challenge Accepted. I started at midnight of the day it was due. I had a rough draft peer reviewed copy and final draft done and ready to turn in 20 minutes before class and I got an 89. Thank you adderall.

I remember the one time I actually wrote a paper the day it was assigned and turned in the rough draft 3 weeks before it was due, my professor added a bunch of other stuff we needed and I ended up getting a 70. I haven't started a paper until a week before the due date since.