That is 2 top-6 forwards, and one top-pairing d-man and a 2nd to 3rd pairing d-man, oh, and Vitale. Other than that, the others we drafted was never to been seen. And that Crosby guy have been playing parts of the last 2 seasons for us, so I guess he is at least kind of good.

Make no mistake about it, Shero's draft record has been poor, at best. That being said, he's also turned several of his draft pick busts into quality trade returns/playoff rentals. You have to credit the man for at least partially fixing his mistakes. And let's be honest, Shero is a trading genius.

Make no mistake about it, Shero's draft record has been poor, at best. That being said, he's also turned several of his draft pick busts into quality trade returns/playoff rentals. You have to credit the man for at least partially fixing his mistakes. And let's be honest, Shero is a trading genius.

Make no mistake about it, Shero's draft record has been poor, at best. That being said, he's also turned several of his draft pick busts into quality trade returns/playoff rentals. You have to credit the man for at least partially fixing his mistakes. And let's be honest, Shero is a trading genius.

The man can sell!!! He is like Don Ready from the Goods...

There's still some guys in the system that could one day prove to be NHL contributers too.

BennettKhunhackel (sp?)D'AgostiniAgostinoBryan Rust (though I'm one of a few who believes in this kid)MorrowUherHarringtonplus some others.

I agree it's tough to look past some of the absolute busts that Shero has taken early though, i.e. Keven Vellieux, CPZ, etc...

That is 2 top-6 forwards, and one top-pairing d-man and a 2nd to 3rd pairing d-man, oh, and Vitale. Other than that, the others we drafted was never to been seen. And that Crosby guy have been playing parts of the last 2 seasons for us, so I guess he is at least kind of good.

That is 2 top-6 forwards, and one top-pairing d-man and a 2nd to 3rd pairing d-man, oh, and Vitale. Other than that, the others we drafted was never to been seen. And that Crosby guy have been playing parts of the last 2 seasons for us, so I guess he is at least kind of good.

We didn't draft two of those players.

I think he was making the point that all of these active roster players, CURRENTLY ON THE PENS, stemmed from the 05 draft.

Make no mistake about it, Shero's draft record has been poor, at best. That being said, he's also turned several of his draft pick busts into quality trade returns/playoff rentals. You have to credit the man for at least partially fixing his mistakes. And let's be honest, Shero is a trading genius.

That's how the cap era is supposed to work.

I don't think you can compare drafting Sidney Crosby and Kris Letang in the same year and with having late picks consistently since 2006 and say that we've drafted poorly. Teams that make the playoffs each year don't build with within the system nearly as much as teams that don't. I don't see Landon Ferraro or Brendan Smith lighting the lamp in Detroit right now...

Make no mistake about it, Shero's draft record has been poor, at best. That being said, he's also turned several of his draft pick busts into quality trade returns/playoff rentals. You have to credit the man for at least partially fixing his mistakes. And let's be honest, Shero is a trading genius.

That's how the cap era is supposed to work.

I don't think you can compare drafting Sidney Crosby and Kris Letang in the same year and with having late picks consistently since 2006 and say that we've drafted poorly. Teams that make the playoffs each year don't build with within the system nearly as much as teams that don't. I don't see Landon Ferraro or Brendan Smith lighting the lamp in Detroit right now...

Detroit always has great scouting and picks- i think Zetterberg was a 6 or 7th rounder

Make no mistake about it, Shero's draft record has been poor, at best. That being said, he's also turned several of his draft pick busts into quality trade returns/playoff rentals. You have to credit the man for at least partially fixing his mistakes. And let's be honest, Shero is a trading genius.

That's how the cap era is supposed to work.

I don't think you can compare drafting Sidney Crosby and Kris Letang in the same year and with having late picks consistently since 2006 and say that we've drafted poorly. Teams that make the playoffs each year don't build with within the system nearly as much as teams that don't. I don't see Landon Ferraro or Brendan Smith lighting the lamp in Detroit right now...

Detroit always has great scouting and picks- i think Zetterberg was a 6 or 7th rounder

More of the Detroit finding world class in the bottom rounds. No. They got super lucky on those picks. If Zetts was considered to have the potential to be that good he would have went much much much much earlier and gotten picked by another team or the Redwings themselves. Just because they've taken fliers on guys and it worked doesn't mean it was great drafting. It was a shot in the dark that found its mark.

I don't think you can compare drafting Sidney Crosby and Kris Letang in the same year and with having late picks consistently since 2006 and say that we've drafted poorly. Teams that make the playoffs each year don't build with within the system nearly as much as teams that don't. I don't see Landon Ferraro or Brendan Smith lighting the lamp in Detroit right now...

Detroit always has great scouting and picks- i think Zetterberg was a 6 or 7th rounder

More of the Detroit finding world class in the bottom rounds. No. They got super lucky on those picks. If Zetts was considered to have the potential to be that good he would have went much much much much earlier and gotten picked by another team or the Redwings themselves. Just because they've taken fliers on guys and it worked doesn't mean it was great drafting. It was a shot in the dark that found its mark.

If it happens once, it's luck. If it happens time and again, it's great drafting. Few, if any teams, in recent history have had the draft success, specifically in the later rounds, that the Red Wings have had -- Datsyuk, Zetterberg, Lidstrom? Come on!

Pavel Bure wrote:More of the Detroit finding world class in the bottom rounds. No. They got super lucky on those picks. If Zetts was considered to have the potential to be that good he would have went much much much much earlier and gotten picked by another team or the Redwings themselves. Just because they've taken fliers on guys and it worked doesn't mean it was great drafting. It was a shot in the dark that found its mark.

Pavel Bure wrote:Yep Detroit knew those guys would be very good that's why they just let them sit there till later rounds. Of course what was I thinking.

So, you're saying they should have taken a player or players early in the draft just because the knew/thought they would be good/great -- even if they knew no other teams had them on their board, let alone had scouting reports on them? You don't take someone in the early rounds you know will last until the later rounds. It's not difficult to understand.

I'm not saying the Red Wings knew these players would become elite talents. But they also heavily scouted Europe in a way few other teams did and likely saw something others didn't see. These players weren't on the radar, and as such, the Wings were willing to wait until later in the draft to take them, rather than take them early, when no one else even had them on the board.

You can't honestly think that their late round draft success is based 100% on luck. They've done it too frequently for this to be the case.

Pavel Bure wrote:Yep Detroit knew those guys would be very good that's why they just let them sit there till later rounds. Of course what was I thinking.

So, you're saying they should have taken a player or players early in the draft just because the knew/thought they would be good/great -- even if they knew no other teams had them on their board, let alone had scouting reports on them? You don't take someone in the early rounds you know will last until the later rounds. It's not difficult to understand.

I'm not saying the Red Wings knew these players would become elite talents. But they also heavily scouted Europe in a way few other teams did and likely saw something others didn't see. These players weren't on the radar, and as such, the Wings were willing to wait until later in the draft to take them, rather than take them early, when no one else even had them on the board.

You can't honestly think that their late round draft success is based 100% on luck. They've done it too frequently for this to be the case.

That's what I'm saying. People act like the Wings knew these guys were going to be top tier talent. They didn't but I will say they knew they were worth a shot in the dark which is what the later rounds of the NHL are.

Pavel Bure wrote:That's what I'm saying. People act like the Wings knew these guys were going to be top tier talent. They didn't but I will say they knew they were worth a shot in the dark which is what the later rounds of the NHL are.

Pavel Bure wrote:That's what I'm saying. People act like the Wings knew these guys were going to be top tier talent. They didn't but I will say they knew they were worth a shot in the dark which is what the later rounds of the NHL are.