i think pretty much this nerf only very slightly affects his lvl1-5which is not where he starts obliterating everything in his lane anyway

even 5 more ms nerf on each later levels would probably not do that much too, just think about it

While I don't think many of us would be sad to see Brood go for good, going from 378 to 337.5 at lvl 1 is a quite sizeable nerf that makes harassing her easier and lowers her kill threat by a lot. Keep in mind it also affects spiders. And her early game influences when she reaches 6, which is pretty important for how likely she just dies in her kill attempt.

If you throw a slow on the spiders you can probably run quite easily away now at lvl 2-3.

its more of just dislike having heroes that just simply wins drafts by being lastpicked

when it happensmakes dota feels bit of.. pickish

but i duno i gues its hard either way

I don't think there should be too many viable instant-draft wins from lastpick and still think Brood Huskar and Meepo are too hit or miss, but I'm okay if there's like two that are different enough that you can easily have one covered and can ban the other one. And lvl 1-2 strength is a huge difference nowadays.

On July 30 2018 21:53 ahswtini wrote:i have a feeling there'll be one more patch next week

Why do you think so? Imo they covered most of the heroes that had high impact at the Summit, so I'd be really surprised if there was another patch. I was really worried before the Summit that this is going to be a snowball patch aka TI 4, but Fnatic kinda proved me wrong.

On July 31 2018 00:13 VvvV1251 wrote:Pudge's nerf is ok, now u have to level hook, overall his impact in the early game is reduced, however nothing much is changed due to rot being untouched.

Ta's nerf is .... well in the first place it damage with deso+meld is enough to shred through everyone, even the tanky heroes aren't that tanky vs it if she get ahead.

Ta's nerf mainly means that she needs lvl 18 before she can oneshot waves. It might also make her miss some kills she else would have gotten. I'm surprised that IF didn't touch the talent and instead nerfed the ultimate, going from 300 to 500 damage on a spammable spell is huge (and allows her to oneshot waves in the first place) and armor (the other talent) is really weak on TA since refraction is so much of her EHP.

The Frog is clearly a core player only. Bounty nerfs, jungle creep xp and gold nerf, all targeted at supports who pull and patrol bounties for gold and xp. Finally CM is viable in lane after years of being in the dumpster and BAM, eat some nerfhammer!

On July 31 2018 00:13 VvvV1251 wrote:Pudge's nerf is ok, now u have to level hook, overall his impact in the early game is reduced, however nothing much is changed due to rot being untouched.

Ta's nerf is .... well in the first place it damage with deso+meld is enough to shred through everyone, even the tanky heroes aren't that tanky vs it if she get ahead.

Still think pudge should do 1/4/4 in most cases. Maybe 1/4/2 into more hook?

What people complained about with recent TA was that she could do the old naga thing of farming jungle and lanes at the same time and stop pushes by cutting the wave safely. One-shotting supports and easily taking out cores is expected from her and what she she should be about.

On July 31 2018 00:13 VvvV1251 wrote:Pudge's nerf is ok, now u have to level hook, overall his impact in the early game is reduced, however nothing much is changed due to rot being untouched.

Ta's nerf is .... well in the first place it damage with deso+meld is enough to shred through everyone, even the tanky heroes aren't that tanky vs it if she get ahead.

Still think pudge should do 1/4/4 in most cases. Maybe 1/4/2 into more hook?

What people complained about with recent TA was that she could do the old naga thing of farming jungle and lanes at the same time and stop pushes by cutting the wave safely. One-shotting supports and easily taking out cores is expected from her and what she she should be about.

yea the ta problem was u needed gem to push a wave past the river, the rest is her usual kit

its more of just dislike having heroes that just simply wins drafts by being lastpicked

when it happensmakes dota feels bit of.. pickish

but i duno i gues its hard either way

Without that move speed she is so vulnerable at level 1 and 2. It's a lot harder to get EXP if you can't reliably just run away. She will have to spend money on regen, survival items, or boots. Less exp, less gold overall.