PUTIN TO OBAMA: Here's Why We're Intervening In Ukraine http://www.businessinsider.com/vladimir-putin-and-barack-obama-talk-2014-3/comments
en-usWed, 31 Dec 1969 19:00:00 -0500Tue, 26 Sep 2017 16:18:41 -0400Erin Fuchs and Brett LoGiuratohttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/53280a84ecad045120a6d9e6GGFranklyTue, 18 Mar 2014 04:57:40 -0400http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53280a84ecad045120a6d9e6
The U.S.A has no business over in Ukraine overthrowing that government, no business in Syria butting into a civil war there, no business in Afghanistan extending war, no business in Iraq time is past to end that war. The U.S is all over the world with its bases everywhere starting war. It has destroyed the middle east and is behind the coup in Ukraine with the goal of putting in a puppet. It doesn't give a crap about Ukrainian people which is why an elected president was overthrown in favor of a planted thug government. Now the U.S wants at Russia's oil & gas also to use the people as global corporate slaves. I'm not interested in the propaganda being pumped out in the media news outlets. We, the U.S.A need to mind our business and work on the problems at home rather than advancing the global corporate agenda in the so-called "new world order" its just plain old wrong trying to control the world and it will end badly for America---just as it has for every other greedy, corrupt, empire under the forces of decay. Ukraine & Russia are symbiotic there's no reason to be there unless enslaving Russia taking its oil & gas is the goal.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5316150069bedd4b2f222343Points to ConsiderTue, 04 Mar 2014 13:01:36 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5316150069bedd4b2f222343
Keep in mind that the hard right from Western Ukraine hates everything communism stands for, which means they really hate everything Obama and John Kerry stand for, not what Putin ideologically stands for (they just need to get over their inferiority complex vis a vis the ghost of the Soviet Union). They are using Obama and Kerry. That's all. Ultimately, the Democrats and the EU socialists will rue the day they decided to "take the Ukraine away from Russia's influence".http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5316132c69bedd042022234ePoints to ConsiderTue, 04 Mar 2014 12:53:48 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5316132c69bedd042022234e
If the hacks in the western press really want to see the Ukrainians decide things for them, they'd ask why the current parliament consists only of representatives from the western Ukraine. Thugs chased the representatives from the east and south of the country away (or threatened the lives of those who then remained and switched their vote in order to stay allive).
Someone who cares about Ukrainians deciding for themselves is going to look at the representation in parliament as an issue 1000 times more important than the Russians "guarding their bases" in the Crimea (they will let locals take over more and more guard duty there - even if you are really angry about this and unable to see parallels with what the US has done so many times, the "taking of Crimea" is not necessarily permanent and not as important as the curretn parliament having nobody from the east and south).
Here is some critical perspective: This scenario basically ALREADY happened in 2004.
The US neocons (I'm a US veteran and highly conservative so my use of this epithet matters as a gauge to how well the GOP will do in elections if they continue to push neocon candidates) staged a successful Orange Revolution back then. John McCain was probably so happy he would have been peeing in his pants. Their newly installed government got a lot of American-style laws passed, including some feminist ones. Ukraine was turning American.
But then the idiots in Washington told their puppet to push for NATO membership. The people of Ukraine didn't want WW3 over that and voted him out. Going to NATO was a bridge too far and idiots like John McCain didn't know that.
In 2010, they chose a government that would be friendly with Russia because Russia had the gas and the money to help, not to mention cultural closeness with half the Ukrainian citizens (don't listen to the nonsense on Twitter about Ukraine being only 17% Russian).
So what just happened already happened in 2004. What will probably happen is that Kiev residents will tire of the neo-Nazis and even the western press might look at that angle. In May, a candidate will win who wants friendship with Russia...unless the neo-nazis deliberately provoke Russia into war knowing they'd be sidelined in the elections.
The oligarchs control Ukraine anyway. The coup was financed by one called Porashenko (sic).
These oligarchs are probably calming things now. They'd be on the phone with Putin. A deal with one or two of them who are now in the east, probably happened on the phone, in Russian, with Putin last night.
In the end, Washington might lose Ukraine the same way they lost it after their "victory" with the Orange revolution.
And, if they win, it might not be so bad to have hard right conservatives in the Ukrainian west who won't give left wingers a chance there. They won't be letting Ukraine join the socialist EU except for an initial treaty to allow citizens to travel more freely there.
Ideologically over the next decade, Russia and Poland and Western Ukraine could end up together politically against left wingers in western Europe and the USA. It's silly the way they hate each other now based on the history of the Soviet Union and the meaningless alliance Putin and Yanokovich had with old people who wanted to stay "communist" in name only.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5314d10ceab8eac171606185kellydorsey8Mon, 03 Mar 2014 13:59:24 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5314d10ceab8eac171606185
There were several World Wars before the UN and none after.
Or do we use the Bush "Patriot Surveillance Act"/DHS logic - there have been no 9/11s since Bush visaed the first one a dozen years ago.
Or do we mention that the FBI stopped all multi-thousand death US terror attacks for 80 years - until Bush ignored their reports and refused to act against domestic "one way" Arab pilot training.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5314c19a6bb3f7534c3af1b7Rhoda GravelMon, 03 Mar 2014 12:53:30 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5314c19a6bb3f7534c3af1b7
This is without a doubt the worst "report" I've ever read in BI. The only "facts" I could find were that Obama & Putin had a 90 minute phone conversation & that a nameless US official said that "members of the President's national security team met today to receive an update on the situation in Ukraine and discuss potential policy options," He also added that President Obama did not attend the meeting. Of 13 paragraphs 3 sentences were extracted from a dubious transation of a Russian government press release about this phone call. The other 11 paragraphs were anonymous interpretations of what somebody said that Obama said. I suppose to learn the real content of this phone conversation I'll have to wait until Snowden leaks the NSA transcripts. It does not contain a single quote from Putin or Obama's phone call. This article is a highly slanted propaganda fluff piece with less factual information than a report on Lindsey Lohan's latest drunk driving arrest or Paris Hilton's most recent shopping spree. In summa, this article is a piece of crap & in response I shall cancel my subscription to BI forthwith.
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Nobody is interested in the "west" anymore.
We love Russia and the Native Americans.
The EU and USA are totally bankrupt.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53145dd0eab8eae53860618bbrighteducationMon, 03 Mar 2014 05:47:44 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53145dd0eab8eae53860618b
Poland loves Russia Scotland and the UK generally. Poles hate the NAZI German EU which will soon be eliminated at the ballot box.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53145d27eab8ea7b3560618bbrighteducationMon, 03 Mar 2014 05:44:55 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53145d27eab8ea7b3560618b
If a majority want to join Russia then the Crimea is Russian. The Ukraine will become Russian because most people want to be Russian and this applies to Syria, Scotland and Switzerland too. Russia is OK and the EU is totally detested by everyone. The USA sucks too.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53145c6169bedd3006de77fbbrighteducationMon, 03 Mar 2014 05:41:37 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53145c6169bedd3006de77fb
The fascist EU AUTOmaidan Volkswagen based hooligan NAZI Germans invaded UKraine and staged a coup. Russia must deploy to ensure protection of civilians in the whole of the Ukraine, not just the Crimea. The EU is breaking up and nobody likes the EU anywhere.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5313bc5ceab8ea00532a4297mandinkaSun, 02 Mar 2014 18:18:52 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5313bc5ceab8ea00532a4297
The good news here is that France surrendered today so that they won't be invadedhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/5313a91969beddcc4c087b66lockpiattSun, 02 Mar 2014 16:56:41 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5313a91969beddcc4c087b66
Someone needs to explain to the lame duck Obama no cares what he says because we all know he lies on every issue. He does not understand that Putin knows the UN rules [Obama does not evidently] and they can not act as Russia will veto any action and have their proxies veto any statement. PERIOD.
<a href="http://articlevprojecttorestoreliberty.com/history-of-political-parties.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" >http://articlevprojecttorestoreliberty.com/history-of-political-parties.html</a>http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5313759d69bedd3305087b6bValeriuSun, 02 Mar 2014 13:17:01 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5313759d69bedd3305087b6b
The exact same thing was said by Hitler when he started the WW2http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5313743b69beddbc05087b61C DSun, 02 Mar 2014 13:11:07 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5313743b69beddbc05087b61
The people of Ukraine "" not he Obama administration. So shut the F--- up. The people of Ukraine have the right to be sucked into an economic union that has failed just as the so-called euroskeptics said it would 20 years ago--that's what he really means. This is about pulling former Soviet satellite countries into "the fold".http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531363596da811017fd5e3afgeorge4Sun, 02 Mar 2014 11:59:05 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531363596da811017fd5e3af
Russia is still relatively poor country with gdp at about $18k per person. Yes billionaires are abound in Moscow, which means that there is not much left in the hands of people outside of Moscow and St Pete.
Russia has 2x more violent crime that USA (which has very diverse population).
Will not argue with the rest of your post.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5313604eecad049f0f99abadzeeterblog zeeterSun, 02 Mar 2014 11:46:06 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5313604eecad049f0f99abad
Putin has the audacity to act like America? Who does he think he is? America will respond, they have to, it's their MO. It's good and useful, for the Military Industrial Complex of Companies, to have a worthy$$$ enemy. They are so excited, along with the 1% who can each count another $billion, if/when active war occurs regardless of who is involved, as America is by far the world's number one supplier of armaments. Cha-ching!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531353d56bb3f7d14f8e65a8kellydorsey8Sun, 02 Mar 2014 10:52:53 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531353d56bb3f7d14f8e65a8
"..the existence of real threats to the lives and health of Russian citizens and compatriots on Ukrainian territory.." ..
was solved by the 'fleeing to Russia' Yanukovych example.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53134bd869bedd6773087b5ePutin is HitlerSun, 02 Mar 2014 10:18:48 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53134bd869bedd6773087b5e
When has russia ever respected anything "democratic"? They are still an autocratic nation ruled by the corrupt totalitarian despot Putin. russians are a weak minded people and like sheep they need to be led and told what to do because they lack the fortitude and intelligence to act on their own. Putin is the new Hitler, and like his hero he wants to take over Europe. His greedy land grab started in Georgia and now he set his eyes on the Ukraine. Where will he go next? Likely one of russias neighbors.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5313408becad04521999abaajohojo37601Sun, 02 Mar 2014 09:30:35 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5313408becad04521999abaa
You're asking to point to something that hasn't happen, catastrophe-perhaps-averted, such as World War III, international pandemic, and the like. In terms of problems confronted, South Korea might be grateful for the UN's efforts and I certainly like my Samsung TV.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53133a516da8111c4ad5e3acRosettaStoned is an idiotSun, 02 Mar 2014 09:04:01 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53133a516da8111c4ad5e3ac
Hey the village idiot is back, and he is spewing his liberal idiot bullshit as usual.
Why don't you go back to your mom's basement and play video games?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531335af6bb3f7fa698e65aatheo.anonymousSun, 02 Mar 2014 08:44:15 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531335af6bb3f7fa698e65aa
RUSSIA HAS DECLARED A WAR AGAINST UKRAINE.
(I still cant believe in it)
Using the unstable situation in Ukraine, Russia sent troops to sovereign Ukrainian territory - the Crimean peninsula .
Since the collapse of the USSR, Russia wanted the Crimea .
And now, when all Ukrainian citizens are tired of fighting with the dictator Yanukovych, Russia cynically , without declaring a war, summed up its troops to the Ukrainian border. Seized all the admin building and blocked all the airports, road and rail fares.
The same time the Russian media says that their army helps Ukraine to restore the peace and order! That's not true! Russia occupies Ukrainian territory!
We need URGENT help! Please picket Russian embassy in your country!
We all ordinary citizens must unite now. We ask all our friends and relatives throughout the world to support us and participate in a peaceful march against the war in the main street/square of your city (or at the Russian Embassy) tomorrow at 14:00. Let's stop Putin and keep the peace!
If it is impossible for you, but you want help us, please share the information about situation in Ukraine with your friends and relatives! And pray for Ukraine! Thanx for your support!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531323dbeab8ea23182a4295snedlySun, 02 Mar 2014 07:28:11 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531323dbeab8ea23182a4295
Slap them with sanctions and Putin will shut off the gas to Europe. Europe isn't going to freeze to death over the Ukraine. Russia is the #1 oil and gas exporter in the world. Take their stuff off the market with sanctions and the price of energy will skyrocket and the whole world economy will go down the tubes. Putin is in the drivers seat. Obama is pushing hard to retain control of the Senate and if he tanks the economy the Senate and the world dictatorship, disguised as his climate change agenda, go poof so there isn't much he can do besides run off at the mouth. If Putin was smart he would leave the Ukraine alone and let the west throw away billions on the corrupt basket case instead of spending his own. Move in later and pick up the pieces after they get tired of destroying each other.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53131dc76bb3f72b188e65a6snedlySun, 02 Mar 2014 07:02:15 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53131dc76bb3f72b188e65a6
Qadaffi was NOT mass murdering his citizens. He only said he would butcher only those who took up arms against him. The US and NATO misquoted him so as to justify an air war. In Libya no one mentions Qadaffi's name because it might be construed as being a supporter and the militias will end up at your house and haul you away. That BS about hoards of black mercenaries is just that BS. As in Syria our press is more than willing to print propaganda to support our dirty deeds. Even after years of sanctions Libya under Qadaffi had the number one economy and rights in Africa. They had no debt. The banks were full of money. He was investing money all over Africa. He built the great man made river. It really pissed off Europe when Qadaffi footed 300 million of the 400 million cost for a communications satellite for Africa. Cost the Europeans 500 million a year. Qadaffi supported Nelson Mandela when no else would. There's more if you care to look. Now it's all gone bust and with the militias running wild everyone is careful what they say and do. Women previously had plenty of rights and before the war Libya was to get a UN award for their work in this area, but those rights are now long gone. The women will not admit this or they will end up missing or in a militia jail being tortured. For quite awhile they claimed the Qadaffis stole 200 billion which made great headlines but was untrue. After the war none of the gold reserves or cash were missing. Business Insider ran headlines on every page claiming Qadaffi was destroying the oil fields. More BS. Very little damage was done, they were back up and running pretty quick. Thanks to militias and unrest they are pumping squat, for months now, and are on the verge of going broke and the whole country just a step away from another civil war. Look it up. Qadaffi was not the nicest guy on the planet but since the time of Reagan we have used him and Libya as our whipping boy with a lot of juicy propaganda to back it up.
Contrary to reports, Qadaffi did not claim responsibility for the Lockerbie bombing. He only took responsibility for actions of his people. They "proved" Libya did the bombing with a shirt and a piece of a timer found well away from the debris field. Except for those who want to believe the trial verdict, no one could believe the 3 judge panel could convict with so flimsy evidence. Read the Wikipedia on it. It matches much of the reporting on the subject. It is widely believed that Iran did it to avenge the Iranian airliner with 150 people on board our cruiser the US Vincennes shot down a few months earlier claiming it thought it was going to attacked. Pure bull on the cruisers part. The radar signature and other info said it was civilian.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5312ea10eab8eadd13f0786aooohlalalarrySun, 02 Mar 2014 03:21:36 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5312ea10eab8eadd13f0786a
Ahhh, the UN.... Obama tells Putin to solve the issue through the mighty UN... That's what we do, right?
And yes, the great UN, who solves so many problems.... can anyone name one problem or crisis the UN has solved?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5312e99deab8eafe18f07866SHSun, 02 Mar 2014 03:19:41 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5312e99deab8eafe18f07866
You should keep yourself updated.
Russia is not as self sufficient as USSR was of course, but now Russian and private business is much more flexible and adaptable, it will quickly take over empty niches and thank those who left.
Besides, to survive 10%inflation and credit at 20% Russian economy has to be highly effective, competitive and hard working -and it is. While in US economy survives only economy thanks to endless flow of fresh printed money at close to zero interest rate.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5312d3b8ecad042c7d8cf12bRocky FjordSun, 02 Mar 2014 01:46:16 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5312d3b8ecad042c7d8cf12b
Obama speaks in generalities and obfuscations, aka realpolitik, where official statements of state and outright lies are the same thing. Repeated a few times in the propaganda media and it becomes the official if not historical truth. Russia has 1000 times more justification for going into the Crimea and/or Ukraine proper than the US ever had for any of its wars since 1991, including twice in Iraq, Afghanistan [when the 9/11 terrorists were Saudis], Libya, now in tatters and violence as well as Iraq, and Syria by proxy. None of these fiascos were justified, only colonial missions to capture resources and markets. Russia's interest have some purpose of human decency behind it, an idea which US officials can never feel.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5312c1936da8110920e13c9eTheMinerSun, 02 Mar 2014 00:28:51 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5312c1936da8110920e13c9e
Russia had been raped and pillaged twice in the last century, first by way of its externally manufactured 'Russian Revolution' creating the 'Soviet' and again by the IMF and western funded privatization predators during the collapse of the 'Soviet'. These events were thrust upon the Russians by external forces, the 'Soviet Union' was not Russian, it was a social experiment by economic elites - read Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution by Anthony Sutton to get a glimpse of the true reality. Russia under Putin is Russian again, the 'Soviet' may still linger as a cultural remnant but it is no longer the driving ideology. The Russians are a civilized and intelligent people who have occupied the same stretches of land for many hundreds of years, the 'Soviet' was however not inherently Russian, but an altogether antithetical beast created by those who needed Russia destroyed and/or deformed.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5312bbfe6bb3f725268cf12aCarlosCarlosSun, 02 Mar 2014 00:05:02 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5312bbfe6bb3f725268cf12a
"Do not want to join the west"
Man.... what a bunch of idiots. They rather join the broken Russian economy?
Talk about the dumbest group you can imagine!
Anyway, if these folks want to be part of Russia, then so be it. Who cares... Russia is pretty much broken and in major decline.
To believe Russia is a major military power is to ignore reality.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5312baf26bb3f70f208cf13dCarlosCarlosSun, 02 Mar 2014 00:00:34 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5312baf26bb3f70f208cf13d
Just because a population speaks Russian does not mean they want to be part of Russia.
Russia is pretty much a broken country.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5312ba7decad04cc308cf129CarlosCarlosSat, 01 Mar 2014 23:58:37 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5312ba7decad04cc308cf129
If Russia was so confident about their ability to annex part of Ukraine, then why are its troops hiding the fact that they are Russian troops by removing their identification?
This is likely one of the first times I've heard of ground troops removing all identification of the who they are.
Anyway, complete bogus. Sure, Russia believes Ukraine is their play ground and has every right to intervene. One thing however they forget in this game, the Ukrainian army is much larger than the Georgian army. So it can get real nasty for Russia. Besides, do the Russian really think they are in Pro-Russian territory in Crimea. They are going to be hit with a lot of Guerilla warfare if they think they can set quitely in Crimea. You think the Tartars will accept annexation?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5312b76969bedd2177f07865Нина МSat, 01 Mar 2014 23:45:29 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5312b76969bedd2177f07865
Украина , Крым 01.01.2014 г. - если бы это были войска России с любыми намерениями( хоть плохими ,хоть не очень ) они были бы в опознавательной форме и БТРы были бы с номерами . На самом же деле Была банда - целью которой было вывезти награбленное с Украины , не войска России - а наемные группировки под руководством Путина , нафаршированные зброеей выполняли задание по вывозу ценностей . А политика ,языки ,русские паспорта -отвлекающий маневр - так делают профи -воры.
Зачем Путину это нужно - Значит что-то компромментировало его деятельность -что -то то что несовместимо с деятельностью Президента .
Скорее - Шлейф наркоторговли по побережью моря -вот следы этой деятельности и затирала банда в форме и БТРы без номеров . Кто же руководитель - Ну не Янукович -точно - он подчиненный .
Что -же все таки вывозили в эти дни с Крыма - золото , деньги или наркокомпромат на Путина .http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5312ae71ecad04ac7e8cf132Bubba ShawnSat, 01 Mar 2014 23:07:13 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5312ae71ecad04ac7e8cf132
Putin has the troops already placed inside. The President is not going to do anything about it.
China and Japan are really watching Obama's reaction to these events. Next week Japan will change their Constitution and start ramping up the military because they know the "hope and change" Obama doesn't have the stomach for a fight.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53129dbaecad04064b8cf129mike zukaSat, 01 Mar 2014 21:55:54 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53129dbaecad04064b8cf129
"Democracy" and "self determination" , like leverage, is a two edged sword that cuts both ways. 97% of the people in the Crimea speak Russian as their first language. 65% of the people in East Ukraine speak Russian as a first language. In a referendum, the population will opt for "Independence" before seeking reunion with Russia. Another major miscalculation by the O'bummer Administration who was unprepared ..... as usual.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531294576da811065ae13c9eRosettaStonedSat, 01 Mar 2014 21:15:51 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531294576da811065ae13c9e
Thank heavens conservative idiots voted for a weak Bush twice - he really put Putin in his place when he fought Georgia in 2008.
"Russia must reverse the course it appears to be on," Bush said in the Rose Garden of the White House.
That sure taught Putin!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53128c7869bedd2156f0786cBenskySat, 01 Mar 2014 20:42:16 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53128c7869bedd2156f0786c
This has all the earmarks of the confusion "diplomacy" can bring to the table. It is historical fact that US diplomats had given Hussein plausible permission to invade Kuwait with subtle nuances in their language, "warning" him not to invade. Joe Biden told Putin not to "give the appearance of a Russian invasion," which could mean on one hand "don't wear Russian insignias when you do." You won't believe how hard it is to translate "intent" into Russian. I do it daily and get into some trouble, once or twice weekly.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53128a4669bedde049f0786aTeddyBallGameSat, 01 Mar 2014 20:32:54 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53128a4669bedde049f0786a
The Crimea is part of the Ukraine in the only a strict political sense. The fact is, the people there are NOT Ukrainians and never were. The vast majority of the citizens in the Crimea speak Russian only, their culture, history and traditions are Russian. They identify with Russia and do not want to "join" the west. We would be hypocrites to say they do not have the same right of self-determination as do their Ukrainian neighbors. BTW, I'm an Irish kid born and raised in NJ and have no dog in the fight.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53128a116da8116314e13cacObozo is the worst president everSat, 01 Mar 2014 20:32:01 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53128a116da8116314e13cac
Woah...you mean that Sarah Palin was right when she said that Russia would invade Ukraine because Obozo is a weak president?
And the liberal idiots mocked her. Wow, it must really suck to be made a fool by a woman.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/53128a06ecad041d098cf131jamesxxxxxxxxxxxxSat, 01 Mar 2014 20:31:50 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53128a06ecad041d098cf131
Uhm, I'm sorry - you are grossly mistaken.
Russia's 'Billionaires' are 100% natural resource mafia - who bought off Boris Yeltsin in the 1990's who enabled them to buy the countries natural wealth at pennies on the dollar.
Russians Billionaires are *rapists* who take all of the countries wealth - and ship it to Cyprus, America, Switzerland, or London.
Their 'natural resources' are the only thing they have - and they've given them all to dirty oligarchs.
$50 BILLION was spent on the most corrupt event in all of human history - the usually 5% kick-back to Putin's friends was replaced with 75% kickback, meaning about $35 Billion dollars in wealth transfer from public coffers to Putins thugs. The mayor of Moscow is of course a Billionaire by taking bribes for construction. Bloomberg lost money working as mayor of NYC.
Prisons?
Yes - Americans who commit drug crimes go to jail. There is a legal system in place. Unlike in Russia - where there is no rule of law, and sentences are determined by the tyrant Putin. We just witnessed his arbitrary release from jail of several dissidents - either there are laws or one man makes them up - take your pick.
You can argue any way you want:
------> People are fleeing Russia and it's population is dwindling - only the old remain. Where are they going? To the West.
So figure that out.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53128755ecad047d7c8cf12ayour mistakenSat, 01 Mar 2014 20:20:21 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53128755ecad047d7c8cf12a
What did those dumbass southerners still waving around confederate flags?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531286ec6bb3f797748cf128Your mistakenSat, 01 Mar 2014 20:18:36 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531286ec6bb3f797748cf128
Moscow has the most billionaires on earth, Taxes are a flat 13% and they have a budget surplus. Their debt to GDP is 10%. They have the most natural resources on earth out of any country.
Their President even includes their legislative branch in decisions regarding war and invasion.
The prison population is a fraction of USA. They also have less violent crime.
I suggest you compare this to the reputation of the USA.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531286b4eab8ea4c2bf07864your mistakenSat, 01 Mar 2014 20:17:40 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531286b4eab8ea4c2bf07864
Moscow has the most billionaires on earth, Taxes are a flat 13% and they have a budget surplus. Their debt to GDP is 10%. They have the most natural resources on earth out of any country.
Their President even includes their legislative branch in decisions regarding war and invasion.
The prison population is a fraction of USA. They also have less violent crime.
I suggest you compare this to the reputation of the USA.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531282536da811fd06e13ca0amusedSat, 01 Mar 2014 19:58:59 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531282536da811fd06e13ca0
On 14 October 1993, the Crimean parliament established the post of President of Crimea and agreed on a quota of Crimean Tatars represented in the Council of 14. However, political turmoil continued. Amendments to the constitution eased the conflict,but on 17 March 1995, the parliament of Ukraine intervened, scrapping the Crimean Constitution and removing Yuriy Meshkov (the President of Crimea) along with his office for his actions against the state and promoting integration with Russia. After an interim constitution, the current constitution was put into effect, changing the territory's name to the Autonomous Republic of Crimea. The previous constitution was approved by Ukaraine after parliament inserted a new sentence into this constitution that declared that Crimea was part of Ukraine. Ergo your an idiot.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531280176bb3f734608cf125jamesxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSat, 01 Mar 2014 19:49:27 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/531280176bb3f734608cf125
Russia is already sinking.
They are not re-investing in their oil wealth.
The population is falling as people are fleeing the country.
If oil prices fall at all - it will collapse.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53127fa969bedd4d22f07869jamesxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSat, 01 Mar 2014 19:47:37 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53127fa969bedd4d22f07869
A) The Americans did not 'invade' Libya - in fact, there were no soldiers on the ground, other than probably a few air controllers.
B) Libya was involved in a horrific war, during which an unelected tyrant was mass murdering his own citizens - often with the help of hired cockroaches from Sub Saharan African Chad ... murderers for hire.
C) Find your way to Libya and ask yourself what people though of Gaddafi. Outside Tripoli, and a few tribesmen - you'll find only hate and scorn. It's now been well established that Gaddafis private female guards were his harem - and girls as young as 15 were forced to have sex with him.
When you defend child raping tyrants and also have to lie about it - you really should consider where you stand in life.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53127e6cecad041c698cf125jaemsxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSat, 01 Mar 2014 19:42:20 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53127e6cecad041c698cf125
There's nothing worse than self-hating, morally ambiguous cockroaches.
Were you to have to spend one week under the thumb of Putin, in a Siberian camp from the crime of nothing - you'd be crying like a baby for the Americans to save you.
Get a passport and visit E. Europe - and talk to anyone above the age of 60: they will give you an earful for your poisoned cynicism. Your mere mention of moral relativity in the face of what they have would get you beat up and left in the back of an alley.
Poland - for example - just coming out from the thaw of Soviet Imperialism, is flourishing - thanks to America, NATO etc.. Sadly, we could not do more to protect them from the communist thugs during the cold war.
S. Asians right now are crying for American intervention as China breathes down their neck and claims territory 5 000 miles away as their own.
Whenever anyone has to face the cold, dark stare of actual tyranny - their BS moral ambiguity fades away instantly and they realize very quickly what matters.
Putin's Russia is better than the USSR - but not much better. He's a thug, incompatible with modern values.
And of course - Russia is dying as it's populations flees - #1 destination: North America.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53127e10ecad041d698cf125Alligator BreathSat, 01 Mar 2014 19:40:48 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53127e10ecad041d698cf125
Yawnhttp://www.businessinsider.com/c/53127ce5ecad04e15b8cf12cjamesxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxSat, 01 Mar 2014 19:35:49 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53127ce5ecad04e15b8cf12c
Garbage.
There was no 'elected president' - because there was no country.
The citizens of south New Jersey can't just go and elect a 'President' and declare themselves to be their own country, and neither can Crimea.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53127a106bb3f7bc488cf127Debra 7778Sat, 01 Mar 2014 19:23:44 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53127a106bb3f7bc488cf127
Do to the Russians apparatchiks what the US did to Iran's Mullahs: Slap a freeze on their assets, to make them PERSONALLY suffer for the adventurism of their boss. Targeted financial assassination, if you will, just like in the case of Magnitzky's murder. Congress should start on it now. The template is already in place. Let it roll: Halving the net worth of every apparatchik involved, disallowing him from traveling to the west, nixing the chances of sons and daughters from studying in the west, etc. Let then suffer personally for this.http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53125e706bb3f727718cf125sufian1977Sat, 01 Mar 2014 17:25:52 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53125e706bb3f727718cf125
How dare Putin invades the Ukraine, only the United States can invade other countries. LIBYA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53125d5869bedd211cf07867ha haSat, 01 Mar 2014 17:21:12 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53125d5869bedd211cf07867
"Obama did not attend"
Was he playing golf?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53125b3269bedd2918f0786eCalgary SkepticSat, 01 Mar 2014 17:12:02 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53125b3269bedd2918f0786e
Russia can't send troops in to any country it wishes whenever it feels like it. Do they think they're America?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53125a7ceab8ea1879f07867amusedSat, 01 Mar 2014 17:09:00 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/53125a7ceab8ea1879f07867
Crimea is 58.32% self proclaimed Russians. Crimea is an autonomous parliamentary republic within Ukraine. On 26 February 1992, the Verkhovniy Sovet (the Crimean parliament) renamed the ASSR the Republic of Crimea and proclaimed self-government on 5 May 1992. On 17 March 1995, the parliament of Ukraine intervened, scrapping the Crimean Constitution and removing Yuriy Meshkov (the President of Crimea) along with his office for his actions against the state and promoting integration with Russia. During the second round of the 1994 Crimean presidential elections, Yuriy Meshkov won with 72.9 percent and elected as the republic's only president.
Why no outrage when the Ukraine threw out a elected president?http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5312592decad04b15b8cf127yea basicallySat, 01 Mar 2014 17:03:25 -0500http://www.businessinsider.com/c/5312592decad04b15b8cf127
same s#!* we would say when we were invading a country
"Our first priority is to get help to those who have been injured, and to take every precaution to protect our citizens at home and around the world from further attacks."
-president bush 2001 proceeding the war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
As much as it sucks, i don't think we really have a leg to stand on. Same shit, different super power.