Dream – Sprinkled

We are studying what will happen at impact location, and how other areas will be affected.

I feel some water sprinkle on me as the event occurs.

That is all that happens to me.

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I am in North Carolina.

I like to analyze things.

I had been studying what would happen in my area since an asteroid had been predicted to hit the Atlantic / Caribbean area.

I was looking at place of predicted impact, height of wave, rate of travel of tsunami, how far inland the wave would go as it went up the east coast, ie distance of inundation inland vs distance from impact.

In case that happened, I wanted to mentally prepare, so I could figure out what next to do.

This must have stimulated the dream.

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I feel like I got my answer in the dream. I am far away enough from the target area, and far enough inland to avoid being killed or seriously damaged.

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However, any asteroid that is a major event like predicted would affect many people, and I would still have concern for their welfare and safety.

God would also expect me to help others if they were hurt near me.

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This is just a dream, but I felt reassured that God would take care of me no matter what happened, even if it was close to me.

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It is my prayer that all sincere believers in the Lord will only be “sprinkled” when bad times come.

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It amazes me that no matter how anchored we are in our Lord, all of us, every one of us, at some point need reassurance that we are doing the “right” thing and that we will be OK.

It seems that we would get to a point where we would no longer need these reassurances. But, at least for me, I continue to need them along the way, no matter how well I have delved into studies, or how many hours I have prayed.

Every one of us seems to reach that point of wanting to be told it is all going to be OK.

You are correct in that some object is coming, but all one has to do to know that is to read the events of the 2nd trumpet judgment:

“The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.”

I have always believed that the “something like a huge mountain” which John saw is most likely a future asteroid. I believe that the reason that it is “all ablaze” is because he is seeing it in the vision as it is coming though the earth’s atmosphere. In regards to the details of the object, speed of impact, size, angle, location, etc., we can conclude that it will be sufficient enough to kill all of the creatures in that body of water, which will equal a third of all the creatures in all of the sea, as well as destroying all of the ships that will be in that body of water, equaling a third of the ships on the earth.

I believe that the result of the impact of this object, which is left to the readers conclusion is that, gigantic waves will be produced beyond what the world has seen. The energy that will be produced will impact the very bottom to the surface of whatever body of water that is impacted and therefore, nothing whether on the surface or at the very bottom or in between will be able to survive that amazing turbulence of the water.

What is also not mentioned in the Scripture is the fatality rate which is left up to the readers conclusion. Since all of the ships in that body of water will be destroyed, then how many people will be on those ships, both military, commercial and pleasure craft? Likewise, we saw the destruction caused by the 40 ft. waves as a result of the Tsunami of Japan and how many died, then what will be the result of waves that are hundreds of feet high do? And it won’t just affect one area, but the shore of every continent in that body will be impacted from north, south, east and west. That being said, many of the inhabitants of those cities and towns on every coast will be completely destroyed with waves of that magnitude and not only on the coast, but also the cities and towns a hundred miles or more inland.

And this is just the 2nd trumpet judgment!

The good news is that, I believe that before the seal, trumpet and bowl judgments begin, the Lord will have appeared and gathered the dead and living believers to meet him in the air and take us back to the Father’s house before the wrath of God begins.

So be alert as you look forward to and anticipate his return, continuing in faith and in prayer and loving all people as he commanded us, looking for every opportunity to glorify him with good works, but always remembering that we are saved by grace through faith in the shed blood of Christ and not by our own efforts, it is the gift of God and not by works.

The Apostle John says that it was not just “A Mountain” that crashed into the sea, but “A Large Mountain”..I would say it will be around 6 Miles across!..So when the tip of the Mountain hits the sea, the other end will be where Airliners fly….around 32,000 feet!…If it does hit the Atlantic. The tsunami that would hit the U.S East Coat would be around one mile high!…but the resultant impact would be far greater than that!…Worldwide Fires,massive Weather changes, earthquakes, Volcanos and the like….It will be a catastrophic experience worldwide!

I’m pretty sure that if the object was 6 miles across, there would be no need for any other judgments from God and that because, something that size would destroy the earth, completely filling the atmosphere and blocking out the sun. All plant and animal life would die, as well as most of humanity. It would also keep the beast from his 3 1/2 year reign and that because there would be nothing left to reign over. So, I believe 6 miles across would be a little much. Remember, after the end of the great tribulation, Jesus still needs to return to end the age and rule from Israel from the throne of David in order to fulfill prophecy and so we can’t have complete destruction of the earth. In any case, the object will be big enough to do the damage that Scripture says it will.

It would be interesting to have the math done based on different sizes of the object, speeds, angles of entry and so on, to see what height the waves would be, how fast they would be traveling and how far inland they would travel. In any case, there will definitely be a large number of fatalities associated with this judgment and that in fulfillment of Isaiah 13:12

“I will make people scarcer than pure gold, more rare than the gold of Ophir.”

NASA only knows about 90% of what is heading towards us. And what they know of what is headed towards us they are less than 100% certain. Many asteroids have pockets of moisture that, when hitting the light (heat) of the sun, outgases, which operates as little rockets that can change its course.

=Nasa’s advice on asteroid hitting Earth: pray=

Mr Bolden told US lawmakers that prayer was all that the US or anyone could currently do about unknown asteroids and meteors that may be on a collision course with Earth.

“An asteroid of that size, a kilometer or bigger, could plausibly end civilization,” White House science advisor John Holdren told legislators at the same hearing.

(CNN) — One of the most dangerous asteroids on record zipped close by Earth last month. It made headlines on Thursday, when reports said that there’s a chance it could strike our planet in less than 20 years. Such a collision could unleash a force as powerful as a couple of thousand atomic bombs.

The space agency is 99.998% certain that when it whooshes back around the planet in 2032, it will simply sail past us again.

Well, Scripturally speaking, Mystery Babylon is not going be destroyed by a large rock from heaven. Here is what the verse actually says:

“Then a mighty angel picked up a boulder the size of a large millstone and threw it into the sea, and said: ‘With such violence the great city of Babylon will be thrown down, never to be found again.’ ”

So the throwing of the large millstone into the sea is being used as an example or, in like manner, of the swift violence that Mystery Babylon is going to suffer. To further demonstrate that Mystery Babylon is not destroyed by a large rock from space, we read the following:

“And the ten horns that you saw, they and the beast will hate the prostitute. They will make her desolate and naked, and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire, for God has put it into their hearts to carry out his purpose by being of one mind and handing over their royal power to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled.”

So the destruction that Mystery Babylon, that great city, will suffer, will be by God’s doing through the beast and the ten kings, which would demonstrate that it is not by an object from space. The angel just used that act of throwing the millstone into the sea as an example of the swift violence that she is going to suffer.

I Personally believe that Mystery Babylon is gong to be destroyed by being nuked at the command of the beast and the ten kings. After all, the world will believe him to be God and the ten kings and all nations and rulers will be at his command. The reason I believe this is because of the following:

“The sound of harps, singers, flutes, and trumpets will never be heard in you again. No craftsmen and no trades will ever be found in you again.
The sound of the mill will never be heard in you again. The light of a lamp
will never shine in you again. The happy voices of brides and grooms
will never be heard in you again.”

The Scriptures above demonstrate that the city will never be inhabited again and therefore, there must be something that is causing that. 80% of San Francisco was burnt down as a result of the 1906 earth quake and the resulting fires, but today it is a thriving metropolis. So, when Mystery Babylon is destroyed, the city that sits on seven hills, there must be something that is going to keep people from going in and rebuilding in order to inhabit her. A nuclear strike would do just that, causing nuclear contamination so that no one could go back in and live there. That is just my own personal take on it though.

Any and all the natural disasters on earth are brought about, necessitated and are tied to the way man has utilized or abused the water resources of the planet, and the eternal cycle created perpetuate this system that is at the center of the planetary life of earth.

Eden, or Ed-eni- where in Hebrew roots for the word, its surmised to mean pleasure, however, the Ed also means the mighty, in both Hebrew and Sanskrit, where eni refers to spring. Hence Edeni, also means mighty water spring. And the narrative attests to this meaning, for its said that from Eden flowed forth the spring that bifurcated into the four heads of waters that navigate the entire planet.

I just couldn’t help but see the similarity of the water sprinkle of your dream, and the re-establishment of the river of life that is caused forth in the return of the Messiah as King of glory, for He would first renew the heavens and the earth, that have been waxen old and corrupted by the habitation and activities of evil creatures.

The problem I have is that the probability of an asteroid strike on Earth is 100% but the probability of it happening within say 10 years is a lot less. My reaction to “we will get hit” is a lot more relaxed than my reation to “we will get hit within two years”. So apart from the “” “only God knows” answer, does anyone have any time span predictions? I would hate to run out of money too soon.

I look at this one event in light of other events going on in america and in the world. it seems like “soon” is a good guess, but I personally expect other things to be going on first which are not happening yet.

I would the asteroid to stop something that is going on on a national level.

something like collapsed economy, race riots, or other riots, or it would be a direct punishment from God for forcing Israel to sign an agreement to divide Jerusalem.

the current administration has only 2 years left to force this agreement, to pacify the muslims.

there are however so many current atrocities and abominations going on already, that an asteroid hitting us would do the righteous victims a favor, and put a stop to them

we will see soon enough how this all plays out….this asteroid would be an extinction event, so spiritual readiness is more important that physical readiness.

I would like to suggest a book to read called “IMPACT” by Gerrit Verschuur, and one particular Chapter within it called”Reconstructing the Crime”.It gives a very vivid detailed account of what the effects of a Comet or Asteroid crashing into the Sea would do.It matches with all the prophetic things that are going to happen to the Earth very well!

The Earth will be hit directly by an Asteroid by 2028, then after that a Comet will either hit the earth too, or it will be overcome by it’s toxic gasses as it passes through our atmosphere, and not actually collide with earth!

Just joking, never stop working. But the things is … how many Christians under 50 have pension schemes? You see it just doesn’t fit does it? The average house price in UK is $0.5 M so what hope do the young have with this elite system. do you say “get back to work to them?”

Steve – I must live in the moment. I live in the U.S. so it is not much different than the U.K., housing here is crazy. Most of my live I could never afford one, so in my retirement years I am renting and don’t see any change in that scenario.

But I live in the here and now, with an awareness that something is coming to a close. And for me, that can be relative, close, near, soon, could mean this year, this decade, but most likely in my lifetime. So I do what I need to do to keep a roof over my head and food on the table now and in the foreseeable future. When I can, I help others to do the same.

Nothing will ever be “taken” from me, because in the end, I believe, all I ever truly have is my relationship with God. I had it coming into this world, and it is all I will take with me going out of this world.

But when I can live in the moment, I have no regrets of the past of the “if only”s nor fears of the future of the “what if”s. That doesn’t mean that each day is easy, but it helps keep things in perspective.

The real problem here is that they were saying “within my lifetime” a hundred years ago. And David Wilcocks etc are just froth. So does anyone really have a date clue? Conchita will wait for the warning and then say the miracle is within a year. Well when I see the warning I could say that.

no one can say withing my lifetime unless the bible signs are there…..100 years ago, Israel had not become a nation again., for example…there was no technology to create the mark of the beast, there was none to create mass world destruction with nuclear weapons yet….

jesus said it would be as the days of noah…..nephilim would show up, mating with humans, human hybrid offspring contaminated with satan seed,

he also said knowledge would increase, so look at the computers we have….

so go reread revelation and then look around…is this the generation you see described there?

read jesus in matt 24…look at the signs he gives…..do you see them now?

if, with careful study, you see things coming to pass that was predicted, then get ready to see your own generation not make it to the finish line of 80 years old.

Matt. 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The STONE which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

MATT 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

MATT 21:44 And whosoever shall fall on this STONE shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
Stone 4348 = stumbling stone – stumbling block (2)
1) a stumbling block, i.e. an obstacle in the way which if one strikes his foot against he stumbles or falls; that over which a SOUL STUMBLES i.e. by which is caused to sin – The soul is Spiritual

MATTHEW 7:24- Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a ROCK:

MATTHEW 7:25- And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a ROCK .

MATTHEW 7:26- And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:

MATTHEW 7:27- And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

MATTHEW 7:28 – And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:

MATTHEW 7:29- For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.

Matt. 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this ROCK I will build my church; and the GATES OF HELL l shall not prevail against it.

Rev. 6: 15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the MOUNTIANS

REV 6:16 And said to the mountains and ROCKS, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

REV 6:17- For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

Rock 4073 petra “”feminine of the same as 4074″”;
AV — rock (16) – a rock, cliff or ledge 1a) a projecting rock, crag, rocky ground 1b) a rock, a large stone
1c) a metaph. a man like a rock, by reason of his firmness and strength of
1) Peter meaning “a rock or a stone”, was originally called Simon which means “hearer”.

Mountains 3735 probably from an obsolete oro (to rise or “rear”, perhaps akin to 142, compare 3733);
AV — mountain — mount — hill
1) a mountain; a proverbial phrase, used by rabbinic writing, to remove mountains, i.e. to accomplish the most difficult, stupendous, incredible thing
142 – 142 » airo – take up — take away– away with — lift up (4)
1) to raise up, elevate, lift up
2) to take upon one’s self and carry what has been raised up
3) to bear away what has been raised, carry off

John was “raised up” in Rev. 4 and Jesus told him to walk his MOUNTIAN up to the top to see the whole panoramic view of the “mystery of the Revelation of Jesus Christ’ Rev, 1:3
And yes today we believer’s are to walk up our mountain and conquer it before it crushes us.
Bottom line: Their are only 2 kingdoms in which a believer can walk in. That the Worlds Kingdom or Jesus Christ Kingdom. Real believers are the Rocks that build their house upon the ROCK of revelation not on the sand. Rock by Rock or faith to faith. Until we become on solid ground

Both these kingdoms are Spiritual rocks =foundations – for which mankind lives in or on. Are you going to let Babylon be your downfall. Babylon is the whole world. Its gone insane. Like a great mountain of unbelief and full of Darkness in this world right now as I speak. We are the great light of the Mountain of God. That keeps us from all harm. We remove mountains, i.e. to accomplish the most difficult, stupendous, incredible things –

We were all born with a great Mountain to conquer. And we can only do that by the power of the Mountian of God where Jesus Christ died, and rose again. And then that great stone was rolled away and Christ Raptured back to God himself. Jesus has rolled our great mountains out of the way if we would just believe Him and do what the Word says to do.

Check out the word Rock or Mountains and see what it is. I layed it out for you for easy reading. The World is hiding behind a false Rock in the dens of the world and it will not save them. But we are hid in the cleft of Christ and their mountains and rocks of darkness cannot over come us who believe. We are Sealed unto the day of Redemption Eph. 4:30 Christ has already put us away into his Kingdom and nothing can hurt us. Not even death as Apostle Paul says. Our death will be a sweet release into Eternity.

The world should be astonished by our doctrines of light.
For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.
Hell – wrath – tribulations cannot prevail over the Rock of Revelation just like Peter had.
You can read it in a natural sense. But I prefer the Spiritual 6th. sense of the Revelation of Christ.

Through nearly 20 years of testing, Brother Yun led China’s church. Many signs, wonders and miracles followed his ministry in China. Brother Yun is a preacher and evangelist to China and the world since 1974.

Brother Yun wrote, “During the times of strongest revival in China, miracles were so commonplace that we didn’t even think about them much. They were as natural as breathing air. They helped millions of people into the kingdom of God…This was not considered strange, because The Lord Jesus promised us (Mark 16:16-18).”

Christianity without the power of God is no Christianly at all…This is a tragedy, as such powerless churches end up relying on human wisdom to see ‘results.’ The fruit of such half-baked gospel invariably produces a harvest of half-baked believers, most of whom will fall away at the first sign of trouble” (Brother Yun).

Brother Yun’s assessment of the Western Church: Sardis.

Yes indeed, most will fall away when the time of great testing begins. It will come upon them as a thief in the night. They are not spiritually prepared for what is coming:

“Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast. For, behold, the Lord cometh out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain” (Isaiah 26:20-21).

I suggest reading an assessment from a man of God who was not educated in the West (Theology) but by the Spirit in Chinese prisons.

You have a bit time left in order to read Brother Yun’s experience and ministry (testimony), which may give you some comfort during the months ahead.

There are two books; his autobiography, “The Heavenly Man” and “Living Water.”

Yes I know, their offspring are running the world, but the statement is “it will be like in the days of Noah, People were eating, drinking, marrying and being given in marriage.. then the end will come”

The Nephilim have always been around this is specifically talking about the end. People were ignoring the signs then the end came.

“This is no coincidence because the heavenly sign of September 29, 2011 [Rev. 12:1-5] is as special and unique (never occurred before or again) as the heavenly signs that occurred with His conception and birth. These heavenly signs occurred on a Hebrew Feast day or a special day of fasting (a day of sorrows turned to joy) for God’s chosen people.

The heavenly sign of Revelation 12 occurred on September 29, 2011.

Therefore, we are within the 7 years of Tribulation and the Great Tribulation begins in the very near future as we read Matthew 24:15-22 (Amplified Bible).”

Blood Moons: Passover and Feast of Tabernacles occurring in 2014 and 2015.

“Now, brothers and sisters, we do not need to write you about times and dates [seasons; related to end-time events]. You know very well [accurately] that the day the Lord comes again [day of the Lord; the time of Christ’s return and the judgments associated with it] will be a surprise, like a thief that comes in the night [come like a thief in the night].

While people are saying, “We have peace and we are safe [Peace and safety/security],” they will be destroyed quickly [suddenly]. It is like pains that come quickly to a woman having a baby. Those people will not escape.

But you, brothers and sisters, are not living in darkness and so that day will not surprise you [or overtake you] like a thief.

You are all people who belong to the light [L children/sons of the light] and who belong to [children/sons of] the day. We do not belong to the night or to darkness. So we should not be like other people who are sleeping [C spiritually], but we should be alert [awake] and have self-control [sober].

[For] Those who sleep sleep at night. Those who get drunk get drunk at night. But we belong to the day, so we should control ourselves [be sober].

We should wear faith and love to protect us [put on the breastplate/body armor of faith and love], and the hope of salvation should be our helmet [Is. 59:17].

God did not choose [appoint; destine] us to suffer his anger [L for wrath] but to have [receive; gain; possess] salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus died for us so that we can live together with him, whether we are alive [L awake] or dead [L asleep] when he comes” (1st Thess. 5:1-10).

““This is no coincidence because the heavenly sign of September 29, 2011 [Rev. 12:1-5] is as special and unique (never occurred before or again) as the heavenly signs that occurred with His conception and birth. These heavenly signs occurred on a Hebrew Feast day or a special day of fasting (a day of sorrows turned to joy) for God’s chosen people.”

Rebut:
As I have often said here and on other sites, one of the most common errors that I see today is when expositors interpret what is meant to be literal as symbolic. The other one is, they correctly interpret it is symbolic, but instead of applying the symbolic meaning that God provides, they provide their own or someone elses. That being said, the woman is said to be clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and wearing a crown of twelve stars. Gen.37:9-10 is God’s answer to these symbols, which identify who the woman of Rev.12 is.

In Joseph’s dream, he saw the sun, moon and eleven stars bowing down to him. His father Jacob then says, will your mother, and I and your brothers truely come and bow down before you?

Sun = Jacob

Moon = wive(s)

Stars = Jacob’s twelve son’s (twelve tribes of Israel)

Since the woman is said to be clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and is wearing a crown of twelve stars, she represents the nation Israel as a whole. She/Israel gives birth to a male child, which is a collective name for the 144,000 who recognize that Jesus is their Messiah and are the first fruits to God out of Israel (ergo gives birth to) and who will then be caught up to his throne. After they come out of the woman, she flees and is cared for out in the desert for that last 3 1/2 years of Daniels last seven leading up to the return of the Lord to end the age. In other words, the woman’s fleeing out into the desert is initiated by the abomination being set up, which according to Daniel 9:27 takes place during the middle of that last seven years. All that being said, since we have yet to see that man of lawlessness make his covenant with many, then that last seven years has not yet begun.

On top of all that, prior to the event of the male child being caught up to God and to his throne, which is in the middle of the seven, we would have had to already have seen all of the seals and trumpet judgments, as they take place chronologically before the 7th trumpet. Subsequently, the same 3 1/2 years spoken of as a time, times and a half a time and as 1260 days, is the same time period that the beast is given authority to conquer and make war against the great tribulation saints, who by the way are not the church, but a different group introduced in Rev.7.

You said:
““Now, brothers and sisters, we do not need to write you about times and dates [seasons; related to end-time events]. You know very well [accurately] that the day the Lord comes again [day of the Lord; the time of Christ’s return and the judgments associated with it] will be a surprise, like a thief that comes in the night [come like a thief in the night.”

Rebut:
In the Scripture above you are quoting 1 Thes. 5:1-2, which is not in reference to Jesus return to end the age. Another error that expositors make is making Jesus return to the earth to end the age synonymous with the resurrection and catching away, when they two separate events. The resurrection and catching away is when Jesus descends from heaven and the dead believers rise, with the living believers being changed and caught up with them to meet the Lord in the air, where he then takes us back to the Father’s house that where he is we may be also (John 14:1-3). On the other hand, sometime after the last plague, which is the 7th bowl judgment, Jesus will visually and physically return to the earth to end the age and begin his millennial reign. Two different events!

You said:
“While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.”

Rebut:
The Scripture above is what happens sometime after the resurrection and catching away of the church, which is in reference to the wrath of God via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments and all that the beast and the false prophet will be doing.

You said:
“But you, brothers and sisters, are not living in darkness and so that day will not surprise you [or overtake you] like a thief. ”

Rebut:
Regarding the above, in other words, they will not escape, but you brothers will. And how will they escape? By the resurrection and catching away, which Paul just previously explained to them.

You said:
” God did not choose [appoint; destine] us to suffer his anger [L for wrath.”

Rebut:
The above is correct! And since we are not appointed to suffer God’s wrath, then we must be removed from the earth before the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments beging. That is, we must be removed prior to the 1st seal being opened.

You said:
“Jesus died for us so that we can live together with him, whether we are alive [L awake] or dead [L asleep] when he comes”

alive = believers who are still alive at his coming whose bodies are changed into those glorified bodies and caught up.

dead = Those who will have died before his appearing and whose bodies will be resurrected and reuntied with their soul/spirits that will be coming back with Jesus.

So, why would you think that the resurrection and catching away would take place after the 7 trumpets? These, along with the seals and bowl judgments are all the wrath of God. It is Jesus who is opening the seals, which lead into the bowls, which conclude God’s wrath. Since we are not appointed to suffer God’s wrath, if the resurrection and catching away were to take place after the trumpet judgments, we most definitely would be exposed to God’s wrath.

If there is any doubt on your part as to whether the trumpets are God’s wrath or not, let’s look at just the 5th trumpet/1st woe: An angel opens the Abyss and out come demonic beings who are commanded to torment the inhabitants of the earth with the stings like that of a scropion for five months. The only ones who are exempt from this trumpet judgment are those who will have been sealed with the seal of God, which would only be those 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel. Everyone else is exposed! Then you have trumpet 6, the second woe, where a third of the inhabitants of the earth are killed. This is the wrath of God and therefore, we cannot be here for that. When Scripture says that “We are not appointed to suffer God’s wrath” it means any and all wrath which comes from God, which would include the seals, trumpets, bowl judgments, condemning judgment and the Lake of fire.

Add in the Jubilee count (49 years + 1) into the mix of years developed above.

Begin with 1917 and the Balfour Declaration:

“His Majesty’s government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.”

“The initial draft of the declaration, contained in a letter sent by Rothschild to Balfour, referred to the principle ‘that Palestine should be reconstituted as the National Home of the Jewish people’ (Stein, Leonard (1961). The Balfour Declaration. New York: Simon and Schuster. p. 470.)

1917 is a Jubilee year.

50 years later = 1967 and another Jubilee year.

“The liberation of Jerusalem in 1967 marked the first time in thousands of years that the entire city of Jerusalem, the holiest city in Judaism, was under Jewish sovereignty. The destruction of Jerusalem was a watershed event in Jewish history that began thousands of years of mourning for Jerusalem, so, it follows, that the reunification of Jerusalem should be a joyous celebration that begins the process of reversing thousands of years of destruction and exile. Jerusalem is central to the Jewish tradition. Jews face in the direction of Jerusalem and all of the prayer services are filled with references to Jerusalem.

Yom Kippur (Hebrew: יוֹם כִּפּוּר or יום הכיפורים), Also known as Day of Atonement, is the holiest day of the year for the Jews. Its central themes are atonement and repentance. Jews traditionally observe this holy day with a 25-hour period of fasting and intensive prayer, often spending most of the day in synagogue services. Yom Kippur completes the annual period known in Judaism as the High Holy Days (or sometimes “the Days of Awe”).

Blood Moons: Passover and Feast of Tabernacles, occurring in 2014 and 2015.

Does the Day of The Lord begins very soon after the last Blood Moon, Feast of Tabernacles, 2015 (Hebrew calendar – Tishri, 5776)?

On the Hebrew civil calendar, 5776 begins Tishri September 14, 2015.

I think and believe “The Day of the Lord” does begin after Tishri 5776.

“But you have no need to have anything written to you, brothers, about the times and dates when this will happen; because you yourselves well know that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. When people are saying, “Everything is so peaceful and secure,” then destruction will suddenly come upon them, the way labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and there is no way they will escape.

But you, brothers, are not in the dark, so that the Day should take you by surprise like a thief; for you are all people who belong to the light, who belong to the day.

We don’t belong to the night or to darkness, so let’s not be asleep, like the rest are; on the contrary, let us stay alert and sober. People who sleep, sleep at night; and people who get drunk, get drunk at night. But since we belong to the day, let us stay sober, putting on trust and love as a breastplate and the hope of being delivered as a helmet.

For God has not intended that we should experience His fury, but that we should gain deliverance through our Lord Yeshua the Messiah, who died on our behalf so that whether we are alive or dead, we may live along with Him” (1st Thess 5:1-10, CJB).

To all – Most of you are Blind, wretched, and naked and don’t know it.
Marianne – you are so carnal and believe you are so spiritual with your dreams. The dreams brings “attention to you” which you love . But you also got to have helpers to help you “help yourself” to even stand – Someday you will stand alone as we all will. May God have mercy upon you then. And your little santa helpers. When a revelation from the Word comes to you. You all reject it mostly. You mostly all living in a fantasy future land. And are missing the NOW message of today. Israel was just like this forum. They could not understand John or Jesus. A New day was upon them. And Israel failed the WORD test of the NOW message of John and Jesus and then Paul and the Apostles. Israel still looked to the future as well, and just dismissed all the “New Wine Spiritual Revelation of their day” except for the chosen few. Oh how I would not of wanted to be in their shoes in 70 A.D. When the mountains did shake and rumble and wiped out Israel by their Rome Caesar they said we have no god but Caesar. They were looking for Messiah and picked Caesar. What a dead church, so blind, and naked when the “Word of Revelation of God” was walking right among them. They said HE was mad, a devil. yeaaaa

Jesus told his disciples that THIS generation will not pass till they = apostles see the son of God coming in his great glory. Matt. 24 is already fulfilled and you could learn from it in our last day. But you will not have it. You all love your fantasies , and goblins, beasts, 7 year tribulation periods, 2 prophets coming you all think. And then you have no idea of what the “Rapture” even is. You all think the beast is just one man coming in the stone Temple and then Jesus coming and through him out and takes over for a while in the stone temple. Then after 3 1/2 more years . Then their is going to be a great big stone temple building coming down to earth and ploppimg on the ground in Israel. You all get raptured out and and then you come back on a white horse with Him. And you all wondering who the Babylon is today. Oh and then Babylon is going to be destroyed. You all are still sucking on your bottle. Just like Israel did when Jesus came. Most of you are all the same as them. Israel was so far off from the truth. And that is what destroyed them. They “”did not have an ear to hear”” let alone to see the Spiritual meaning that the Prophets gave to them with “Thus saith the Lord. There scholar’s were just dead men walking. And the whole of Jerusalem fell on them in 70 A.D. Where was their Messiah at. It was a little to late to do the right now.

You all have despised the Word of Truth. So be it to you. You will never understand or drink the New Wine unless you repent and seek Him with your whole heart. When is the last time you got drunk on a revelation of the Word of God by your own studies. The “”Revelation of the Word”” will come when the comer sells out everything. Cause he’s got to have it. By what the Spirit saith unto the church. Not what the Nico – latian spirit. It is what seduces the fleshy soul and mind. – Man teaching Mans doctrines. = death.

Aaah…… Tom York, the Amilennialist! Your group of false teachers always reminds me of a little girls tea party; no real tea, no real guests and no real pastries and you look at prophecy the same way.

Tom said:
“Jesus told his disciples that THIS generation will not pass till they = apostles see the son of God coming in his great glory.”

First, I would suggest that you go back and take English class all over again, and pay attention this time. Prior to Jesus stating the above prophecy, he likened his coming to end the age, as when we see the fig tree and all of the trees blossoming, then we could know that summer is near. In the same way, WHEN YOU SEE ALL OF THESE SIGNS TAKING PLACE, THEN KNOW THAT THE END IS NEAR. When Jesus said, “This generation” grammatically speaking, it would have to be the generation where those signs appear. He was not saying “this generation” referring to the one he was living in, but the one where those signs appear. To interpret the Scripture your way, would be to force the signs into Jesus’ generation, instead of the signs determining that last generation.

Tom said:
” Matt. 24 is already fulfilled and you could learn from it in our last day.”

Matthew 24 [B]HAS NOT[/B] been fulfilled. The only fulfillment that has taken place is that the temple has been destroyed. The rest of Mt.24 is directed to the question of “what will be the signs of your coming and the end of the age” Jesus’ return ends the age of human kingdoms and begins his physical, millennial reign on earth from the throne of king David, from Jerusalem in fulfillment of prophecy. All of the prophecies regarding Christ were fulfilled literally, therefore, there is no reason to apply a spiritual meaning to the prophecies that are yet to be fulfilled.

Tom said:
” You all think the beast is just one man coming in the stone Temple and then Jesus coming and through him out and takes over for a while in the stone temple. ”

This is exactly what Scripture says is going to take place Tom:

“He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.”

Did you get that?

And

“All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.”

The above Scriptures have not yet been fulfilled, but will be fulfilled 3 1/2 years after that man of lawlessness makes his covenant with the many for that last seven year period. Neither has the abomination that causes the desolation been fulfilled, but will be in the middle of that seven year period, just as Scripture proclaims.

Tom said:

“You think then their is going to be a great big stone temple building coming down to earth and plopping on the ground in Israel.”

No, not stone Tom! The New Jerusalem is made out of pure gold ; )
“The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass.”

No Tom, the New Jerusalem is not going to come down out of this present heaven and plop down on this present earth. For according to Scripture, John says the following:

“Then I saw [B]“a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away,[/B] and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.”

So as you can see from the Scripture above Tom, this present heaven and earth will have passed away (departed), then the new heaven and new earth will have been created prior to the New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God.

Tom said:
“You all get raptured out and then you come back on a white horse with Him.”

Yes Tom, that is exactly what the word of God proclaims, as can be garnered from the following Scripture:

“I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. [B]The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean.[/B]

And who are those armies?

“They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—[B]and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”[/B]

In case you are thinking that those on white horses are angels, it would be an improper designation to refer to angels as “his called, chosen and faithful followers,” for these titles are referring to his faithful followers, that is, believers in Christ.

Tom said:
“You all have despised the Word of Truth.”

I believe that it is you who have despised the Word of Truth with your prepackaged, preconceived teaching born from false teachers, which you replace with the truth while labeling it as the truth.

Where Scripture states that the Lord himself will descend from heaven and the dead in Christ will rise first and then we which remain and are still alive will be caught up to meet him in the air, this promise is for the entire church and not just a minuscule slice of it. Jesus said, “I will build my church and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.” Well, the church is still in the process of being built and when the Lord descends from heaven, then all who have died in Christ will rise first and then the living believers will be changed, in a moment and will be caught up with them, where the Lord will take us back to the Fathers house (John 14:1-3) just as he promised. Those who are not watching, who are not anticipating his return, will remain here and will be subjected to the wrath of God, which will be carried out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments.

“For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.”

You Tom, as well as many others, are fulfilling the above Scripture. You have been lead away from the truth by this false teaching and the world is continually filling up with false teachers and false teaching.

It will happen in a moment, in the blink of an eye, when the last trumpet is blown. For when the trumpet sounds, those who have died will be raised to live forever. And we who are living will also be transformed.

Marianne.You do indeed have a different concept of the tribulation and rapture from me.

That’s what I like about coming here, Steve, we can be naked or not, we can agree or not, we can understand or not – but there is very little pouting and stomping of feet in temper tantrum like fashion, though it does happen on occasion when someone implodes.

MATTHEW 13:10 † And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

MATTHEW 13:11 † He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

MATTHEW 13:12
» 12 † For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.

MATTHEW 13:13
» 13 † Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

MATTHEW 13:14
» 14 † And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

MATTHEW 13:15
» 15 † For this people’s heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

MATTHEW 13:16
» 16 † But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.

MATTHEW 13:17
» 17 † For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

God died for the whole world. But at the same time HE knew the whole world would not except Him. He is Alpha and Omega. Judas could only go so far amen. Baalam could make a alter just like Moses and make sacrifices like Moses but he sure did not have Christ in him as Moses did. He was a false prophet and could would not hear when God spoke through his own donkey. You cannot mix heathenism doctrines into the true doctrines of Christ. That is what the CC church did and the majority of the church today just cannot figure it out.
We all have to become fools for Christ sake and pour out all our thoughts to be able to see Gods mysteries of today. Every age has its mysteries. Bar none.

This statement is the conclusion to the Parable of the Wedding Feast. Jesus spoke this parable to show what the kingdom of heaven will be like when the end of the age comes. In the parable, the king sends his servants out to gather the wedding guests to the wedding feast. But those invited refused to come, some because they were too busy with their own worldly pursuits and some because they were positively hostile toward the king. So the king commands his servants to go out and invite anyone they find, and many come and fill the wedding hall. But the king sees one man without wedding clothes, and he sends him away. Jesus concludes by saying that many are called/invited to the kingdom, but only those who have been “chosen” and have received Christ will come. Those who try to come without the covering of the blood of Christ for their sins are inadequately clothed and will be sent into “outer darkness,” i.e., hell.

Just as Noah remained upon the earth within the ark designed by God – we who are “in Christ” (ark) are not removed from the earth.

We are to remain in the house as wise virgins (Matthew 25:1-10), until the indignation passes over (Isaiah 26:20).

Just as in the land of Egypt – the Israelites did not experience any of the plagues including the Death Angel, which passed over their homes because they had faith in the application of the blood of a lamb. Savvy?

“He cast on them the fierceness of His anger, Wrath, indignation, and trouble, by sending angels of destruction among them.

He made a path for His anger; He did not spare their soul from death, but gave their life over to the plague, and destroyed all the firstborn in Egypt, the first of their strength in the tents of Ham.

But He made His own people go forth like sheep, and guided them in the wilderness like a flock; and He led them on safely, so that they did not fear; But the sea overwhelmed their enemies” (Psalm 78:49-53).

We are to put on as a helmut the hope of our salvation (deliverance). I am not appointed to Wrath become of the helmut (mental awareness, comprehension, abiding faith) of my salvation.

“The way of the Lord is strength for the upright, but destruction will come to the workers of iniquity. The righteous will never be removed, but the wicked will not inhabit the earth” (Proverbs 10:29-30).

“Seek the Lord, all you meek of the earth, who have upheld His justice. Seek righteousness, seek humility. It may be that you will be hidden in the day of the Lord’s anger” (Zephaniah 2:3).

Note: We are hidden in the day of the Lord’s anger not removed.

“In that day you shall not be shamed for any of your deeds in which you transgress against Me; For then I will take away from your midst those who rejoice in your pride, and you shall no longer be haughty in My holy mountain.

I will leave in your midst a meek and humble people, and they shall trust in the name of the Lord.

The remnant of Israel shall do no unrighteousness and speak no lies, nor shall a deceitful tongue be found in their mouth [Rev. 14:4-5]; For they shall feed their flocks and lie down, and no one shall make them afraid” (Zephaniah 3:11-13).

“For yet a little while and the wicked [tares] shall be no more; Indeed, you will look carefully for his place, but it shall be no more [Matthews 13:29-31].

But the meek shall inherit the earth, and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace. The wicked plots against the just, and gnashes at him with his teeth” (Psalm 37:10-12).

Exactly. You will see everyday that self importance is at the root of all mans problems, even in the church and education. It is a honey trap that ‘all’ fall for. One day the magnetic field will fail and Christ will return to raise our consciousness. All that is dead will die and all that is living will live. (those who have will be given etc.)

Yea Steve – The same tribulation that killed all of Noah’s age. “Translated” the 8 individuals to the other side. That is what most believers call today a Rapture into heaven. “But no”. It was a “translation into another new world” with new dimensions. Noah Like John in Revelation 4 was “translated” into another dimension of time and saw things he had never seen before. You see your “Revelation of Christ” is your Translation. As we grow more and more into maturity. Time just starts fading away from the old worldly flesh man. The Brand new Birth translates you “from” the other side of hell and into the Heavenlies. You go from a life of a time element and then when born again you go into Eternal elements. Time is no more. Rev.10:6 Cause you have become a Eternal Son of God. And Sealed in by the Holy Spirit unto the day of your redemption. Eph. 4:30. And then God starts us all over again on this same planet. To shine in the Saviors Character . Same thing happened in N.T. same thing in ” our day” is happening. Most all of Christianity today mixes up the Rapture making it like a Resurrection. That is not right. The Rapture is being “Translated” into another Kingdom while you are living right here on earth. Translated is the true word for what people call the rapture today. That is what happened to Enoch and Elijah. Remember the Bible says ” In Adam all men die” The flesh man is going NO WHERE but back to Clay where he came from. Enoch and Elijah were translated into the “Kingdom of God” as Paul says in Ephesians we are seated in the Heavenlies. Yet we living on Earth and our flesh man will have to go back to the grave of clay. But the real you is your Celestial man that lives inside of you. That is the real you and that man is the one that is going in the Resurrection. Why – Because you have had a “translation in this life” from sin and death into Eternal life. So simple yet so profound for scholars of this day.

Enoch and Elijah became ‘translated” into a brand new world cause they understood the mystery for their day. But they still had to die. Or the bible contradicts itself.
All this “left behind” phoney baloney is making good money for a lot of people. But in the end it will be just like Israel in 70 AD. Because they listened to their scholars that actually said we have no king but Caesar. =denominations of clergy over the common minds. This false doctrine Could very well crush their faith into oblivion. Its never good to believe a lie when it comes to the Bible. Rome is still at it and joining all pagan religion with himself while I write this post.

The Rapture theory is only 180 years old. I have read how is slowly it crept into the Pentecostal and Charismatic realms. And now most all Denomination’s believe it. Its a false Heresy from the pits of hell.
God would have to repent for the millions that He let burn on the crosses and children sliced to pieces in the arena’s of Rome. Are we better than our Master or the Apostles and all the millions that died under the Caesar’s and the Popes of the dark ages.

Look today and they are cutting off Christians heads today. Right now as we speak. The news is having a special this coming weekend about the martyr’s dying over seas and the middle east. I just heard where a family with 4 children would not deny Jesus Christ. The children even got on their knees and would not confess a Muslim doctrine but said they believe in Jesus Christ. They cut all for of their heads off. And we over here thinking we gonna get out of such things. God help our blinded eyes. This is why Im so passionate for Gods truth. Trying to awake the slumbering church that is in America.

Tom said:
“The Rapture theory is only 180 years old. I have read how is slowly it crept into the Pentecostal and Charismatic realms. And now most all Denomination’s believe it. Its a false Heresy from the pits of hell.
God would have to repent for the millions that He let burn on the crosses and children sliced to pieces in the arena’s of Rome. Are we better than our Master or the Apostles and all the millions that died under the Caesar’s and the Popes of the dark ages.”

Look today and they are cutting off Christians heads today. Right now as we speak. The news is having a special this coming weekend about the martyr’s dying over seas and the middle east. I just heard where a family with 4 children would not deny Jesus Christ. The children even got on their knees and would not confess a Muslim doctrine but said they believe in Jesus Christ. They cut all for of their heads off. And we over here thinking we gonna get out of such things. God help our blinded eyes. This is why Im so passionate for Gods truth. Trying to awake the slumbering church that is in America.”

Rebut:
Your statement above shows that you have no understanding Tom. The believers at the onset of the church, the believers who have suffered throughout the church age, and the people who are suffering in those countries presently, are suffering common trial and tribulation, which all believers should be prepared to do. Trials, tribulation, persecution and death, come at the hands of the world with the powers of darkness orchestrating in the background. But what is coming is something different, something prophesied of old, which is the day of the Lord. This is when God himself will be pouring his wrath out via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments on those who have rejected his Son and continue living in the sinful nature. That being said, God is not going to pour out his wrath on those who have already received his Son and are continuing in faith and since his wrath is going to be upon the entire earth, he will remove all believers just as Scripture states in 1 Thes.4:16 and 1 Cor.15:51-53.

The problem is that people don’t understand that there is a difference between common trial and tribulation vs. the wrath of God.

So to recap, as believers we are exposed to and are to be prepared to go through trial, tribulation, persecution and even death at the hands of men and the powers of darkness. But, we are not appointed to suffer the wrath of God and that is what is coming. If you are not watching and anticipating Christ’s appearing to remove us from the earth, then you just may get your wish of remaining here and that because, Jesus told all believers to watch for his appearing. You on the other hand are teaching the opposite and so you will be held accountable for that, unless you repent of these false teachings.

Tom said:
““The Rapture is being “Translated” into another Kingdom …….The flesh man is going NO WHERE but back to Clay where he came from.”

I thought it best to remind you that Christ rose on the third day in the same body that he was crucified in and is sitting at the right hand of God in that same resurrected body. Scripture also states that Christ is the first fruits of those who rise from the dead and that we will also be resurrected in the same bodies that we are buried in, but with heavenly upgrades. For regarding the resurrection, Scripture states the following:

“Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned.”

Regarding his body, Jesus said to his disciples:

“They were startled and frightened, thinking they saw a ghost. He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.” (Luke 24:37)

When Jesus appeared to the disciples behind locked doors, they thought that he was a spirit, but he reasures them by showing them his hands and feet, that is, the nail marks, as proof that it was him in the same body that he was crucified in. He then finishes by telling them that “a spirit does not have flesh and bone as you see I have.” The flesh man is going somewhere, but in a new upgraded body of flesh and bone upgraded for heaven. Regarding this John said, “We know not what we shall be, but when we see him, we shall be like him.” Since Jesus resurrected in the same body that he was crucified in and is still in that body, we also will be resurrected in the bodies that we will be buried in and some of the upgrades will be, a body that no longer decays, one that will be raised a glorified body and a body that will be raise in power (1 Cor.15:42-44)

Anyone who does not believe that Jesus resurrected in the same body that he was crucified in, is not believing in his resurrection, nor in ours to come. In fact, the Greek word “Anastasis” is translated as “Resurrection” and is defined as the following:

Thanks Steve – but i don’t do dates. Jesus said “are time is always” in the Now. America could be judged at any minute to me. With all the things going on she cannot last to long before something drastic will happen.

Every Person that has lived and every Nation on this planet will be judged by how they walked according to the “Word of the Lord”. The great white throne judgment is going on right now. It’s the living word in the midst of our heart and soul. Man’s heart is the great white throne. It excepts the Word or rejects the Word. The chosen few that live by that Word and Love the Word and have a thirst for it will “shed their snake skin off ” and become New Creation’s, and have no worries of a body, and soul death. All others that will not “shed their snake skins” and do not have the Love of God in them are destined for a body and soul death. When I was a sinner I heard the “Word of God” and it condemned me = “judged me guilty” and I had to go to the alter and Jesus rescued me. Their will not be a line standing with a “great big stone seat where God is sitting”. That is a fairy tale as well from the CC.

Rev. 1 show’s the “Deity of Christ” with His White Robe and Hair symbolize this as the Word of authority to all. Like in Europe some judges still wear white wigs which declare judgment seat.
The White throne judgement seat is during our life we live while on earth.
Every generation has to walk by the light that God gave that generation.

Judgement begins in the House of God. The soul that sinneth will surely die, and that is the 2nd. death. Of the body , soul, and mind.
Matt. 28:10 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to “destroy both soul and body” in hell.

There are only 2 kinds of Seed. Serpent seed or Gods Seed. Only 2 are sown on this planet into the hearts of men and women who will freely chose one or the other. If you have Christ seed living in you we have no need to worry about the future. This day is a NOW message not a future message. Living in the future is as bad as living in the past. You cannot change things. So live every day as it could be your last day on this planet. Meaning your judgment “”time”” is over. You either were Eternal or Not Eternal.

This again is amilennialism and is a false teaching. Scripture makes it very clear of the chronological order of events. The day of the Lord begins with Jesus descending from heaven and the dead with living believers being gathered to him. After that, the man of lawlessness will be revealed, making his covenant for one seven year period. From there, the wrath of God will begin via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, with Jesus returning sometime after the 7th bowl to end the age. Next, the beast and the false prophet will be thrown alive into the lake of fire and Satan will be thrown into the Abyss where he will not be able to influence mankind during the same thousand years in which Christ will literally be ruling from the throne of king David from Jerusalem. At the end of that thousand years, Satan will be let out for a short time, just as Scripture states (Rev.20:3,7) and will gather together Gog and Magog from the four corners of the earth, where they surround the camp of God’s people, the city that he loves (the present city of Jerusalem) where they are killed by God with fire out of heaven (Rev.20:9). Then after this, Satan will be thrown into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet will have been thrown a thousand years earlier, where they will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.(Rev.20:10)

Tom, my advise to you is, you had better decide whether or not you are going to continue to believe in these false teachings or believe in what the word of God actually teaches. Because the issues that you are teaching on are eternal life threatening and by your teaching you are guilty of attempting to turn people away from the truth of God’s word. That being said, it is impossible for us to be currently living in the milennial period and that because none of the characteristics listed in Scripture are present. For example, Jesus said regarding that time:

“He will judge between the nations and will settle disputes for many peoples.
They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not take up sword against nation, nor will they train for war anymore. (Isa.2:4)

I don’t believe that I have to convince anyone that the above characteristics do not, nor has it ever existed on the earth and therefore, it is still a future age. For when in the history of the earth have the nations not taken up weapons against one another and not trained for war? The answer would be, never! And this just one example. The milennial period will not begin until after Jesus descends to the earth after the great tribulation has completed when he ends the age. Then he will establish is milennial reign. But there are many prophecies to go through before the world gets to the thousand year kingdom.

“Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.”

There is nothing in the Scripture above that would lead one to spiritualize or symbolize the context. What it says, is what is literally going to happen. Rev.20:5, states that “the rest of the dead did not come to life (resurrect) until the thousand years were ended.” These are the unrighteous dead that will have been accumulating in Hades from the beginning of history and will, at the end of the thousand years, be resurrected out and will literally stand before God at the great white throne judgment where they will account for every their sin. They are resurrected at the end of the thousand years because they do not belong to the first resurrection. True believers do not appear at the great white throne judgment and that because our sins have already been paid for by Christ. When we are judged at the beama seat of Christ, it will be to gain or lose rewards for our works and not for sin.

Does the Scripture above sound like the great white throne judgment is “man’s heart?” I’m just exposing the lies that Tom is perpetrating, which is what all Christian’s should be doing in order to uphold the truth of God’s word, because this is just pure distortion of the truth!

“There are only 2 kinds of Seed. Serpent seed or Gods Seed. Only 2 are sown on this planet into the hearts of men and women who will freely chose one or the other. If you have Christ seed living in you we have no need to worry about the future.”

But the seeds became interbred/mixed. Some have only serpent seed and no hope but most have both seed and need to find the truth about what they are. If they fail then this is the end time judgement.

I am not a Biblical scholar by any means. The Bible does dictate that we can not know the time of the return of our Lord, but we can know the season. I read somewhere that 100 years ago there were no real signs of our Lord’s returning. Yes, He will come as a thief in the night, but we are not in darkness, we are children of light, so that day should not overtake us. We should watch for the signs and be sober. We have been appointed to receive salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ. (1Th 5:9 KJV) People today who are in the 80’s and older who are believers are no longer looking for signs. They are listening. Listening for the sound of the trumpet.

The Bible speaks about the various signs that we will know He is near, “knocking” at the door. Today one hardly has to open a newspaper (if one still does that) or turn on a news station and somewhere nature has ravished a corner of the planet, either through earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes. Or, nation rising against nation and kingdom against kingdom. We are slaughtering each other, abroad, and here at home. Most of the time when mentioning these as part of the signs people will mock and snicker stating, “Yeah, yeah, tell me something new. Those have been happening for ages.” Famines and pestilences? Maybe that, too. But, just when did people start starving in Africa, or right here in the United States? When did the ebola virus break out in Africa? Wasn’t that just this year? It is the frequency, I believe, which is what should make us take notice. “All these are the beginning of sorrows.” (Mat 24:8 KJV)

The first sign was the Declaration of Balfour at the end of WWI in 1917 and adopted by the League of Nations in 1922. This declaration was a letter from British Foreign Minister Arthur James Balfour to British Baron Lord Lionel Walter Rothschild. The Turks had sided with the Germans so when the Germans “lost” the war, so did the Turks and the German and Turkish territories were divided up, part of which included the Ottoman Empire containing the homeland of the Jewish people which the Romans had declared to be Palestine after the Jewish revolt in 135 AD. The Balfour Declaration was the public support of of a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Then there was the Treaty of Versailles in 1919 which mandated Britain be entrusted with the temporary administration of Palestine. Both Arab and Jewish inhabitants felt betrayed. Others believed the Declaration itself that the return of Christ was just around the corner.

And here we are today. As Marianne has suggested, watch for the division of Jerusalem.

I’m not a history scholar either. There is probably someone who could support something that happened before WWI and the Balfour Declaration and another person could point to something after. But, to me anyway, 1917 and all the events that have occurred AFTER the Balfour Declaration certainly point to major changes in the Middle East, and the beginning of signs. For all I know Jesus could return tonight, or perhaps it will be in the next millennium. But I live my life today that He is coming in my lifetime. I’m not 80, but I’m no spring chicken, either. In many ways I wish it will be sooner than later. And, it can’t be soon enough.

I try to understand it all so much myself, maybe even cheat a little. A date would sure be nice. But, putting history and anything scholarly behind me, I just plain feel it in my bones. And so I live my life accordingly. A life I would choose to live, even if in some way we KNEW His return was 1,000 years away. To know Him more every day. To live my life more like Him, every day. And living my life isn’t just about the things I do and say, but it is also about my thoughts and my intentions. He lives in the very depths of my core and of every fiber of my being. And, I have a long way to go to get there. Yes, I will be judged. And I will answer for all the times I acted, and judged others, and for all those times I didn’t act.

Talk about bickering and battling . . . I saw a program on, the History Channel, I believe it was, where monks have been feuding for decades, even centuries at a church in Bethlehem. The program depicted how if one monk swept an area too far over from his own distinct area, the area he “invaded” would cause others to come out swinging, usually with brooms, but a fight would break out. All because one servant of God, sweeping an area near where Christ was born, wasn’t staying within the lines. A 1700 year old church in Bethlehem, where resident clerics—from the Greek Orthodox and Armenian Orthodox churches and the Franciscan order of the Roman Catholic Church, who care for the church, fight with each other on almost a daily basis, because they are jealous of the other.

Denise.

“Feuding monks at the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem don’t just cast the first stone—they stockpile rocks in anticipation of future altercations. Several holy men landed in the hospital two Christmases ago after a fight broke out over the dusting of church chandeliers. The occasional brawls at the 1,700-year-old basilica, believed to mark the birthplace of Jesus Christ, reflect the difficulty of housing three Christian denominations under a single roof.”

Yea I agree with you Steve. We are all born by the Spirit of God coming into our little body when we were born. That is Gods life. And sooner or later the human has to make a choice and decide which Spirit is he going to nurture to maturity. The Spiritual man or the flesh man. = Tree of life or death. You can pervert the original Life source by just wanting you own way and you start loving sin = doubt. Then you slowly start manifesting a “character that is foreign and hates God’s will”. And then your ‘translation’ becomes a manifested sinner which is a citizen of hell or Sheol. Sooner or later you will not even retain God in your thoughts. And you become like beasts of the fields. Rom. 1 tells it pretty plain. You will never want to shed you snakeskin. “that is the Mark of the Beast. When men and women cannot retain God in their thinking. Look at America today. You will see it everywhere. If your are spiritual. Yet they say the believe in god. But its the god of this world they seek.

Adam was a true seed Son of God to begin with. And He remained that way. He had the “Revelation of Gods Word ” and could overcome the Blood issue. Even though he sinned as well. He was a chosen vessel. This is why they had 2 different children at birth=twins. One was Serpent seed – the other was of Gods seed through Adam. Sin will always bring forth perversions of sons of gods. They are called fallen angels. The stars that fall to the ground.

To understand your “election” also think of Abraham getting in a hurry and listening to Sara. That he should go into her servant maid. Well Abraham just like Adam did the same thing. And it produced an Ishmael. A wild man just like Cain. He had twelve princes. Then came Issac the real son of promise that God chose for them and he had twelve princes. Now we know today and see them clearly – Christians and Sinners are completely different in their soul cravings. But God made if possible that all could come and receive a new heart and soul restoration by their own free will. But like I said in the other post. Jesus Died and rose for the whole world. But HE KNEW the whole world would not except him. Only God is the Alpha and Omega and knows the beginnings from the end of each life. So your election is a very precious treasure from God. Guard it at all times. By living by faith=revelation. Seeking him always with a attitude of Love and Praise.
God saw it fit to create Darkness and Light –

To keep it simple, The serpent seed (fallen angels) is an alien gene pool that is trying to overcome the indigenous gene pool by interbreeding. If you find your ‘original meek spirit’ you will see the truth. The serpent seed is arrogant and aggressive and feeds from the tree of death. They think that they will complete their take over of Earth but Jesus has other plans for them… like fire from the sky.

Well many are mixed seed now so I hope. But that is a question that I have pondered for months. I think those are the ones that Jesus was trying to save with his warnings of temptation. i.e. follow the spirit not the deception of the mind.

Personally, I don’t need to wait to see a comet, asteroid or other object from space hitting the Atlantic Ocean or anywhere on Earth to prepare for “The Day of The Lord.”

We would expect such “wrath” to occur once that Day begins and before His return.

Your right about the timeline (generation and Jubilee years), knowing that all things, including “The Day of the Lord” will be competed before His return (Matthew 24).

That Day sure seems to begin after the current “Blood Moon” cycle (ending Feasts of Tabernacles, 2015).

“And I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth, blood and fire and columns of smoke. The sun shall be turned to darkness, and the moon to blood, before the great and awesome day of the Lord comes.

And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved. For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those who escape, as the Lord has said, and among the survivors shall be those whom the Lord calls” (Joel 2:30-32, NKJV).

DJ – Yes, the Day of the Lord and His return are separate events, I was not clear and I sometimes inappropriately intertwine the two.

I have often wondered about the four blood moons and the forth that occurs around on the Feast of Tabernacles (9/28/15). Just like I “feel things in my bones” I really feel the year of 2015 to be a huge awakening and turning point for many. I don’t have a sense of “what” just that it “is.”

And, though I feel it will be a trying time, I don’t have a sense of doom and gloom but a sense of awe, wonder, and excitement, and, maybe not new beginnings, but definitely different ones.

Hey Steve here is your question and answer
Question
Well many are mixed seed now so I hope. But that is a question that I have pondered for months. I think those are the ones that Jesus was trying to save with his warnings of temptation. i.e. follow the spirit not the deception of the mind.

Answer:
There are 3 classes of people in the World. The Believer, Make Believer, and the Sinner. 3 is perfection – The world is filled with all 3.

The seed is a “Spiritual seed now” dear brother. The Original Seed is and was always Christ the Word. Moses had Christ in him. The Apostle Paul said it and I believe it.
As I try to explain it. Jesus Christ was the pure UN-adulterated Son of God.= No sex birth and he came from heaven to earth=sinless. By the spoken word. He was the pure seed that took Adam’s place for us. The make-believers are fakes but God knows who they are cause they want to walk with Christ yet they love the world and its philosophies of religion . And the un-believers never did want nothing to do with the real God or His Character. They love the world only.

Remember also in Noah’s day. Noah was the only one that did not have tainted blood. In other words he never mixed it with whoredoms and God was with Him and Noah received the Grace of God. So the Serpent Seed actually went across the flood with Noah through the woman of his sons wives. But like I said they all blended into mankind. Remember we were all at one time fallen creations. Noah and his wife did produce a “Christ seed” just as Adam and Eve begot Abel. They begat Shem.

Satan was humanity that fell to the ground as a snake because of his sin. The snake became the symbol of mankind in his lost condition of sin. Remember the scriptures about the snake was cursed and upon his belly he shall eat dust all the days of his life. He was a human and I myself believe it was Adam. And after the fall of Adam a Spoken word son out of the earth. Adam and Eve had little babies that crawled upon their bellies upon the ground. Till they grew up and chose their path of Character they loved the most. One was humble and gave the right sacrifice the other was just the opposite. A killer and a proud man that wanted to rule his world.

Remember in the last post to you. The snake can shed it skin and it becomes new again. God can take us human’s and renew or old creation as well. As I think of the prophets speaking of the worm turning into a Butterfly. He was a worm at one time. But “translated” into a butterfly. He was raptured as they call it today. But when you see the butterfly you also see the worm that is attached to him. The worm was earthy born on a limb and no worm is cute. Yet morphed into something else better. Translated and Transformation is steps of Nature. That’s why in Romans 1 that Paul said Nature itself proves their is a God that made all things. But they would not believe it. And went their own way back to the beastly carnal nature of the cunning and poisonous snake “character” they were before. Cain could not shed his nature or character. He was just a worm all his live. But WHY – he was just a snake offspring to begin with. As was Judas. God had to make a em-perfect man so that the Godly man would shine in righteousness over the flock. It takes night and daylight to complete one day. God created it all to be that way. To prove His Love for us that lived in this darkness for a time.

I hope you getting something out of these little teaching bro. Steve. They are not for everyone I know. But they are a few that are seeking more. That’s who I’m after. When 90% of all Christians in America think their is no “absolute” then the whole of the church is blind, wretched and naked. Just read Rev. 3:14 to the end. I’m not putting no buddy down and Jesus is the one that said it not me. I just see the darkness that has covered America just as it did in Egypt. Yet their is a Goshen to live in till we out of here. And I ain’t talking about no rapture. I have already been “translated” into the Love of Jesus Christ and His word. Translation is the true word for the rapture.

I am living in the Heavenlies right now. Ephesians 2 proves it to all that want to see the light. Jesus died on the cross “as the serpent on the pole”. That ought to wake somebody else up on this forum. Moses serpent on the pole was just a “shadow of of Christ taking the cross” that why God put on a flesh body to save His only begotten Children from sin. And healing our snake bitten curse away for us so we can be Eternal just like Him. And getting us up off our belly ridden sin. Jesus “translated” and lifted us up and stood us up on our feet again likened unto Him. Like He did to Himself after the death and burial and resurrection He “Translated ” back to God into Heavenly places forever. It was finished. We are not just laying down for satan to kick us around and eat dust all our life till we die.

Watch the NFL, NBA and Kickboxing (cage fights) to get a clue of controlled aggressive behavior. Also – look for the “all seeing eye” sign given and people sticking their tongues out. Here is an example:

Tom Genesis 6:4
“There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men”

notice “and also after that”. The serpent gene was not carried on the ark by Noah’s wife it was carried by the giants who also survived. How did they survive? They are serpent aliens. You should drop aggressive language like ‘whoredoms’ and just understand who the serpents and giants are and where they came from.

The choice the mixed genes make will be on taking the sign of the beast or not i.e. those not raptured.

Marianne, I love how these boards progress (transgress?) from one subject to another as our thoughts and hearts lead us. Here we go from your dream about asteroids, to Giants, and then some.

I usually don’t have dreams of any real significance, let alone anything that made much sense. Recently, though, I did have a dream – I was at some sort of tumbler or washer (seriously, I had this dream) and I realized the stones inside weren’t just any old rocks being scrubbed, they were diamonds, all sparkling. And there were all shapes and sizes,

As these rocks began to come out of this washer / tumbler machine down this ramp, there began to emerge these milky ones, not like the very clear ones. Then this voice said to me, “Even the cloudy ones have merit. They are valuable too.”

Bro Steve – Cain was the first anti-christ that rebelled against God and was Marked as anti-christ. Serpent seed and had a devilish Character. Giants have nothing to do with that. This was way before the Giant thing. And I did not say it was Noah’s wife but it was the son’s wife’s that carried the spirit of anti-christ across the abyss. And also Ham must have been one himself. He finally manifested what was in him. Their is not enough room to explain it all. ON one post. God bless.
Palisade

Cain and Abel were the two blood lines (you can work out what happened to Eve for this to be the case yourself).

you say “but it was the son’s wife’s that carried the spirit of anti-christ across the abyss”
No it wasn’t. I have no idea why do you think that or why you ignore the Bible quote “There were giants in the earth in those days (of Noah); and also after that” The giants carried the serpent seed. You are just ignoring Biblical evidence to support your opinion of the “son’s wives ” carrying the serpent seed. I have no idea why.

The Giants/Nephelim means shining ones or serpents, they are the product of sons of God / fallen angels and wo(men). After the purifying flood they once again cross bred with humans to reintroduce the serpent seed.

Or did you think God said to Noah “build an ark but make sure there are some satanists on board” or did God make Adam and Eve with serpent seed as a part of them?

Steve I agree with most of what you say. I was just saying that Cain was of the Serpent in the beginning. He was the 1st marked man and you can trace it all down through the bible. Eve was the first one in the transgression as Paul says. Adam feel in sin to save his bride. Being a type of Christ. They produced Twins and one was Cain a Marked man and other was killed by Cain. With no remorse, or nothing. Cains line were the great builder’s of Nations that ruled the common people. And you can see in Nimrod the Babylon it produced.

The serpent seed are reprobates period. Cain gave sacrifice to God as well as did Abel. Abel had faith = a Revelation — Cain never had no faith to begin with by not having a revelation of Gods will. Like I said he had No repentance, Remorse, did not want Gods grace. Even though he sacrificed to God at one time he was just a religious man as Nimrod, Pharaoh’s etc. God gave him the chance and he turned it down to become his own ruler. Its plain as day in the Scripture’s. Then God marked him. He could not change from that point on.

As for Eve’s transgression Adam who was a “Son of God” took her sins on himself. He was not deceived – He like Jesus loved his bride and took her sin upon himself. That is why Paul said Eve was in the transgression. Adam was a “Son of God”. And he knew God’s will. Adam and Eve are with Christ now. But Cain is not and never will be. He took the “Mark of the Beast” There are really only 2 seeds period. The unbeliever and religious make -believer are really just one. They going to the same place. John said in his epistles their were many anti-christ in his day. What about our day.
If you die a anti-christ you got the “Mark of the beast”. Its to simple for people to understand. They think it is in the future somewhere.

“so that no one may buy or sell unless he has the mark, which is the beast’s name or the number of its name.”

First, Cain was not an antichrist, for regarding the definition of this John says, “who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Messiah. Such a man is the antichrist. How could Cain have denied that Jesus was the Christ, when he was speaking with him? Cain merely committed the sin of murder, but did not deny God. Also, Cain did not receive the mark of the beast and that because it hasn’t come into use yet. The system that the mark will use is here, that is, electronic crediting and debiting of ones’ bank account. The debit card is the precursor to the mark, which will be some type of sub dermal device. In God’s timing, when that antichrist comes, then his mark will also be revealed. The inhabitants of the earth are already being conditioned to buy and sell electronically via the debit card, but when the antichrist comes and his mark as well, then he will make cash, checks, credit and debit obsolete, leaving only that subdermal device that will be implanted on or in the right hand or forhead, which will allow an individual to perform electronic crediting and debiting to their bank account. This is exactly why we have been seeing the push to pay debits by either automatic deduction or by electronic payment via phone, by computer or some other device. By making cash, checks, credit and debit obsolete, then only that mark will remain, forcing the inhabitants to receive it in order to be able to continue buying and selling (crediting and debiting).

We will continue to see the world moving towards a cashless society in preparation for that mark that is coming. The system that allows individuals to electronically credit and debit their accounts is already here. When an individual scans their debit card through the scanner in order to make payment, the debit card directly links the payment to that persons bank account, allowing his/her account to be credited or debited. Therefore, the system and the devices are already in place, for the mark will utilize these same devices, accessing individuals bank accounts and will also probably have an individuals medical information on it as well.

The mark of the beast is not to be spiritualized or allegorized, but will be a literal device in or on the skin of the right hand or forhead. I only hope Tom that if you are ever standing in line to receive your device to be implanted, that at that time you will think back on this post and realize that Scripture was speaking literally and not spiritually or symbolically. Neither is the the mark of the beast symbolic for the observance of the Sabbath on Sunday, as the mark has nothing to do with the Sabbath day. And here is God’s warning regarding the mark:

“A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.”

God graciously reached out to acknowledge Cain’s mental, physical and spiritual condition. God was offering a way back onto the paths of righteousness (Psalm 25:10).

The Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry, and why has your face fallen? If you do well, will you not be accepted?And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is for you, but you must rule over it” (Genesis 4:6-7, ESV).

Our response to envy, anger and other sin (demonic oppression) that wants to rule over us is the issue and important lesson to comprehend and apply. It is playing out in NYC, Ferguson, and around the world.

Yea DJ I agree with everything you said but this line.
You said – Good lesson but overlooked in a rush to condemn Cain for his condition from birth.
“my reply is below”
We seen the end of Cains chance to become a believer and walk in God’s favor. It was not Gods fault it was Cain’s who did not want to be a servant but a ruler in his life over other men. = Nico-laitans spirit was on him. And Christ said He hated that spirit. And as we see. He became that and built cities and civilizations that rebelled against God. And Governments were set up to rule over the people. How can anybody deny that fact.

Every person born has a chance for to know Gods will. But most will not chose it over their own will. Making them Anti – to the Will of God. And they will never have peace, or God’s love. For Cain all that was left was nothing but war all the days of his life and then his seed is still here as we still see wars, and killing, and murders. Cain was the first Anti- to God. The Bible is full of why their are wars and hatred in the N.T epistles. Yes Eve sinned but Adam a “Son of God” covered her sins and we have to realize she came out of the ribs of Adam by the “spoken word of God” not through sex birth. And Adam became her headship. She’s in heaven today. Eve submitted to her Husband = type of Christ and they both were forgiven. Now the sex birth can produce only 2 kinds of seed. Good or Bad. It can be traced in the Bible.

The last thing here – God gives grace to all men . But the majority will reject it. Just look at the hour we are in today. I can say as John said. there are many Anti-christ today. Most of the world is in anti-christ thinking.

Nimrod was a giant. Thus, he became a Post-Flood member of the offspring of the Nephilim. The offspring of the sons of god all rebelled. Yes Eve sinned but she was not of serpent genes.

Do you think Adam was a fallen angel (son of God) or do you think that Cain was a fallen angel or do you think he was a Giant. Where do you see the Nephilim fitting into this?
I cannot follow what point you are making you keep saying you agree with everyone but it doesn’t seem as though you really do.
Thanks

Leatherneck and dmcal52 and all.
Leatherneck said:
And he will cause “ALL” both small and great “TO RECEIVE A MARK” on his HAND, or FOREHEAD. Those who refuse to “WORSHIP THE BEAST” and take “THE MARK” will be PUT TO DEATH
Also you said:
The IMAGE of the BEAST is not yet IN THE TEMPLE . Therefore, it is yet FUTURE.
THE ALL- both small and great = Yes “all of the population from Adam’s time to now.” Have to respond to “Gods Calling and Covenants”. You either “reject it” and die. – or receive it and have Eternal life.

THE MARK OF SATAN = Their are only 2 kingdoms both and only 2 marks you can receive – Satans “kingdom of the world” or “Gods Kingdom of Heaven”. – they both in O.T and N.T
1. Satan’s Kingdom worship their flesh and human spirit and soul desires. Completely carnal desires and then die having “loved this carnal world they lived in”. They “love their world of sin” so much they will die for it. The soul that sinneth shall surely die. Eze, 18:4 That means your whole man. Your flesh and soul and spirit = the 2nd. death. Any who will not retain God in their thinking will be rejected by God. You can read their Character and attributes in 5 scriptures Rom. 1:28-32. They can not go to heaven.
They gave “their temple” over to worship “the god of this world”. = They gave their Mind, body, and Soul to it. = all 3 courts of the Temple. Letting satan use their “Temple” for his own will. Their love is only for worldly lust of the “beastly appetites “. Carnality goes to the grave. Jesus came to Lift us out of that situation by His N.T message. “Satan lives in human temples.”
The “Mark of the beast” is adding converts every day right now.

2. THE MARK OF GOD- Then theirs the “Mark of God”- Who’s Temple we are. You need to read the following scriptures Col. 3:13-16 Gal. 5:22-25.
THE TEMPLE= Mark 14:58 We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is “made with hands”, and within three days “I will build another” made “without hands”. = This is pretty simple and self explanatory that the “New Temple” is the Bride. The Spiritual body of Believers in N.T. AS soon as Jesus rose from the dead that old temple way became obsolete. But He gave Israel another 40 years like in Moses day to let them get to the promise land of the N.T.. But over a million did not make it through and died in the temple mount with their great Sanhedrin . Thousands upon thousands did not make it . Their caucuses laying in the fields and rivers and everywhere. 70 AD was a massacre of the likes of Hitlers days.
They were still looking for their ‘Messiah” and He had already come as a thief in the night. Same thng is this generation. The still think its all future.
1 Cor. 3: 16 ¶ Know ye not “”that ye are the temple of God””, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1 Cor. 3:17 If “any man defile” the temple of God, him shall God destroy; “”for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are””.
1 Cor. 6:19 What? know ye not that “your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you”, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
The Holy Ghost comes with Believing until you receive it. Not just believing.
Eph. 2: 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an “”holy temple IN the Lord””: ((Same temple can be filled with satan as well))
22. In whom “”ye also are builded together for an “habitation of God” through the Spirit. ((Christ made your Temple the Holiest of Holies to live and dwell inside of you)). “”NOW not Future””. We are His Tabernacle.
Rev. 21:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle = habitation , and them that dwell in heaven.
The Above is the New Testament Temple. Not made by hands of men. Making are works meaningless if we do not possess the Holy of Holies. = Holy Spirit.

THE HAND= equals servitude to someone. The right hand of God is the “Power of God in your servitude to HIM”. That makes it all happen. Obedience is better than sacrifice. What a man loves the most he will give all his servitude and power to attain it.

THE FOREHEAD=Just means your mind. Thinking. The “Mind of Christ” has to be a transformed in you as Paul says. Rom. 12: 1-2. Your mind and heart speaks volumes of your “human character or godly character”. As I have already declared above. Satan can only “pervert” what God has given. If you chose to not retain God in your thinking. You will become a perverted soul and mind. Satan will take over your flesh man with the mind and heart. And you will be un-able to see the truth any longer. We have all been chosen. But that does not mean every person is going to be saved by Christ. If the prodigal son had not returned to the Father. He would have went right on into mind perversions and soul perversions till they took him over. But his name was on the Book before the foundation of the world. He was a son to begin with. Sons of God are the Chosen few of Matt. 13:10-11
Rom. 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be “ye transformed by the renewing of your mind”, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. The Mind is the top of the tree. That is where the best fruit are in a natural tree. Its time is complete then. We are in that hour of the Mind of God or the Mind of the Beast. Forehead

WORSHIP THE BEAST= You buy and sell out the Truth and the Holy Spirit for just fellowship. You will not give up your ” OLD LIFE SOURCE” and would sell you soul to the devil for advantage. Esau sold his birth right for a morsel of meat or drink. Worshiping your beast is real easy and just do whatever you want to do and don’t worry about it. And that’s why it is such a great blessing to be chosen by Gods will. Worshiping the beast is worship of yourself. And things created by your own hands. And you give your life to that. You sell God out for a good position and money. For popularity, for to be popular etc etc. For perversion of all kinds. They love that more than Gods heaven life food.

PUT TO DEATH= The beastly kingdom will also want to put the “Children of God to death”. Why? – cause their conversation and “Lifestyle of God’s Holiness dwells in them” and condemns the worldly man for being lovers of the world. . And like Cain they cannot take it being condemned and convicted and are not worthy of being rulers. They want their own way. Even if it means war and men die. Look at the Nations- they have all had war. They cannot help themselves. Its a jealous spirit on them. Jealousies are crueler than the grave. Death is Final. It’s over. You will never rise again. Your life was you judgment seat. God does not have to raise you up to tell you all you sins. He already knows them. He knows the hairs on your head. When you die you judgment will be clear. Its heaven or death.

THE IMAGE= Sinners hate the Image that Christians portray. And its all about their thinking and living in another dimension that sinners cannot understand. All believers have to cross that gulf into the other dimensions of our Heavenly Father. Its by the Holy spirit we are “taken up” into those dimensions. But the sinner is “taken up” in other dimensions by drugs, sex, power, hate, and perversions, and become beastly in Character. And that is their heaven on earth. But will not receive eternal life unless Gods reveals to them the Truth. Perversion’s will create a hell to the unbeliever cause he is helplessly lost yet he LOVES TO manifest things that comforts his fleshly appetites for a season. So there are the two dimensions of Non-believer and the Real -believer. If the Holy Spirit or Word life has “never taken you up” into other dimensions. Their is a good chance you are just religious. Your “Image”= Character – is your “mark of the beast” or the “mark of the lamb” living in you. The Only thing you taking with you is your “Character”. It stops at the grave or goes on into Eternity. You was a beast to begin with and would not repent at Gods Voice. God is a “Just God” always period.

FUTURE= God never taught us to live in the Future tense. We serve God in the Present Tense. A day at a time. Living in the Future is as bad as living in the past tense. I teach a “NOW message”. Its been hard to get rid of all the traditions I had about the Bible. I thought as most of you do NOW. After the Resurrection Jesus revealed Himself to many for 40 days. Why? Because they were still perplexed about the PRESENT MESSAGE to preach and teach. We all have to walk the Emmaus Road till our eyes are opened to truth, and have to reject the fables and traditions of men. Only Christ the anointing can help us. But most seem to resist it in the beginning. Jesus taught them a History lesson till they seen the light and their eyes were opened. The Book Of Revelation has to be understood . Its a summary of all that Christ has done for the N.T church. All the players in the book Of Revelation. Are history. It is about 70 ad and the coming of God in Judgment in that day. It was the Romans battle of destroying the O.T and bring in the N.T. God uses enemies go get his purposes done.
BUT if you could just understand Book then Heb. 13:8 will open your eyes to this time as well. God is experienced in the ages gone by. And Never changes. Cause He is right every time.

You said:
“THE ALL- both small and great = Yes “all of the population from Adam’s time to now.” Have to respond to “Gods Calling and Covenants”. You either “reject it” and die. – or receive it and have Eternal life.”

Your spiritual interpretation is the problem. “The All” is in reference to those inhabitants who will be present on earth when the beast and his mark are revealed. The mark has nothing to do with Adam or anyone else and that because it hasn’t come into use yet. It is a literal mark that, just as Scripture states, that will be put on the right hand or forehead and without out it, just as Scripture says, no one will be able to buy or sell except the one who has the mark. Furthermore, there is only one calling that one needs to be concerned about and that is saying “Yes” to the gospel, Jesus crucified, buried and resurrected. The mark is associated with that coming antichrist, the man of lawlessness. Only those living during the time of the antichrist and the emergence of his mark will be affected by it and it therefore has nothing to do with people of the past, for it is a future event which is coming quickly. The mark is not a metaphor.

You said:
“THE TEMPLE= Mark 14:58 We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is “made with hands”, and within three days “I will build another” made “without hands”. = This is pretty simple and self explanatory that the “New Temple” is the Bride. ”

Rebut:
You have absolutely no understanding of Scripture at all. First of all, Jesus did not say, “We heard him say, ‘I will destroy this temple made with human hands and in three days will build another, not made with hands.’ ” This was said by those false witnesses who misquoted him and were trying to trap him. Here is what Jesus actually said:

“The Jews then responded to him, “What sign can you show us to prove your authority to do all this?” Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days.” They replied, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and you are going to raise it in three days?” But the temple he had spoken of was his body.

As you can see from the Scripture, when Jesus said, “Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days,” he was speaking of the destruction of his body by crucifixion, that is, his death on the cross. Regarding his “raising the temple again in three days” this was in reference to his bodily resurrection three days after they crucified him. His reference to the “Temple” was not a reference to the Bride, but his own body.

You said:
“THE HAND= equals servitude to someone. The right hand of God is the “Power of God in your servitude to HIM”. That makes it all happen. Obedience is better than sacrifice. What a man loves the most he will give all his servitude and power to attain it.”

Rebut:
Regarding the above, this again is plainly the allegorizing of Scripture, when what is required is a liter interpretation. The mark of the beast is going to be a literal device that will replace the debit cards function of accessing ones bank account allowing the user to credit or debit his or her bank account. Your interpretation is allegorical and pure conjecture. Instead of believing what Scripture says, you replace it with what you have been taught by false teachers. The reference to the right hand and forehead is literal and the mark will be a literal device that will go in one of those locations. I know, for I have been watching the evolution of the system that the mark of the beast will use for over 30 years, starting with the first ATM’s and followed by the UPC codes, Point of sale systems (POS) and now the ability for individuals to be able to credit and debit each others bank accounts via phones, computers and other devices.

You said:
“WORSHIP THE BEAST= You buy and sell out the Truth and the Holy Spirit for just fellowship. ”

Rebut:
Again, the reference to “buying and selling,” which is crediting and debiting, is speaking of literal buying and selling and is not to be taken as a metaphor, as you have applied to it. Buy making cash, checks, credit and debit obsolete, it will force the inhabitants of the earth to either receive the mark or reject it. Anyone who rejects it will not be able to access their bank accounts to either credit or debit them and that because it will be done electronically and the mark will be the access key just as the debit card is now. To prove my point, let’s take a step back. If cash, checks and credit were made obsolete and the only acceptable form of buying and selling was through use of the debit card, then anyone who refused to accept having a debit card, would not be able to perform crediting or debiting on their bank accounts. The debit card is the precursor to the mark and that will come about when that antichrist is revealed, for it is his mark.

You said:
“PUT TO DEATH= The beastly kingdom will also want to put the “Children of God to death”. Why? – cause their conversation and “Lifestyle of God’s Holiness dwells in them” and condemns the worldly man for being lovers of the world. . And like Cain they cannot take it being condemned and convicted and are not worthy of being rulers. They want their own way. Even if it means war and men die. Look at the Nations- they have all had war. They cannot help themselves. Its a jealous spirit on them. Jealousies are crueler than the grave. Death is Final. It’s over. You will never rise again. Your life was you judgment seat. God does not have to raise you up to tell you all you sins. He already knows them. He knows the hairs on your head. When you die you judgment will be clear. Its heaven or death.”

Rebut:
Scripture is clear in that, all who will not worship the beast, who will be an actual being proclaiming himself to be God, nor worship his literal image nor receive his actual mark, will be an enemy of the beast and his kingdom and many great tribulation saints will be killed because they will instead keep their testimony of Jesus and the word of God and will not worship the beast, his image nor receive his mark. All of the above is to be interpreted literally.

You said:
“THE IMAGE= Sinners hate the Image that Christians portray”

The image is literally what Scriptures says that it will be, which will be a likeness made in honor of the beast whose fatal wound will have been healed. I personally believe that this image is synonymous with the abomination of desolation.

You said:
“FUTURE= God never taught us to live in the Future tense.”

Rebut:
Tom, what do you think prophecies are? They are information regarding events that are revealed by God to happen at a later time. Here are a couple of examples:

“Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.”

“Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door. Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened.

The first one is of course a prophecy given approximately 700 years before God fulfilled this and Mary brought for Jesus, just as prophesied. From Isaiah’s time, this was something to look forward to in the future. Likewise, in the second Scripture, Jesus is telling the reader that when they those future signs, then they can know that the end of the age is near. For believer’s, though we are to live one day at a time, we are also to be watching and prepared for his future appearing where we will be gathered to meet him in the air.

I could go on and on, but until you abandon these false teachings that you have been taught by the amilennialists and start reading and believing what the word of God says instead of what they are telling you it says, then the truth of Scripture will continue to elude you.

A good rule of thumb when reading Scripture is that, if the literal sense makes good sense, then don’t seek any other sense.

Personally, I haven’t even wanted to have a “smart” phone. All people do is have their heads down all day looking into the abyss for, Lord knows what. Now people can just waive these phones (with B of A or Wells Fargo) and their purchase is paid for. I don’t want a chip, anywhere, regardless of my mindset. 🙂

When cash, checks, credit and debit cards are made obsolete with only the mark left to access one’s bank account, then the only choice will be to receive the mark or reject it. At that time, those who reject it will do so because they know what God’s word says regarding those who receive it and of course they will reject it, the beast and his image out of love for God. On the other hand, those who receive it, will do so because they will love their lives and their self preservation more than God. Remember what Jesus said, “Whoever loses their life for my sake and gospel shall find it, but whoever saves his life will lose it.” Those who will receive the mark will do so to preserve their own lives and thereby seal their fate and that according to Rev.14:9-12.

“Let those of us who are mature think this way, and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal that also to you. Only let us hold true to what we have attained…keep your eyes on those who walk according to the example you have in us.

For many, of whom I have often told you and now tell you even with tears, walk as enemies of the cross of Christ.

Their end is destruction, their god is their belly [Romans 14:17] and they glory in their shame [Jeremiah 9:23-24], with minds set on earthly things.

But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, who will transform our lowly body to be like His glorious body, by the power that enables Him even to subject all things to himself” (Philippians 3:15-21, ESV).

“Therefore, if you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth. For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God.…” (Colossians 3:1-3).

“And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect” (Romans 12:2).

However, I can’t find as much Scripture on the hand?

But….

If folks understood the “all seeing eye” symbol on the Great Seal of the US (printed on the back of the dollar), then maybe they would realize all the buying and selling that is occurring around the world (currency exchanges and world trade) accomplished with “the mark of the Beast” every day.

Please, don’t tell anyone. It’s a secret. Those printing money and the Central Banks around the world don’t want anyone to know the source of their power (Lucifer aka Satan).

Did you know that the collective height of all the buildings in the reconstructed World Trade Center, including the One World Tower is 6660 feet? Yes, 666 x 10 = 6660. It is 10 times 666!!

Yes indeed, we are buying and selling (world trade) with the mark of the Beast.

A chip in the hand or forehead would make transactions easier – without a credit/debit card and without cash/coins. So, don’t get a chip!

Obviously you haven’t been keeping up with currentl technology. These chips already exist and are being used. They now very small and in some case wafer thin, so yes, a chip or some type of sub dermal device in the right hand or forehead, just as Scripture claims.

Steve said Tom please follow the points below.
Your post below. You said

Nimrod was a giant. Thus, he became a Post-Flood member of the offspring of the Nephilim. The offspring of the sons of god all rebelled. Yes Eve sinned but she was not of serpent genes.

answer about Cain
Remember Eve and Adam had to reap what they sowed. That is why Cain was born. It had to be that way cause it was the will of God. He knows the Beginning from the end. This was in the “plan of salvation” from the beginning. The darkness always makes the stars to shine.

Answer about Nimrod
I do not see no where that Nimrod was a giant. But he did become “Renown” . All I do know is that he married a very petty white women. They found coins with Nimord’s picture on it. He was a Black man. And a great hunter. Till he finally hunted down men that did not pay his tax for guarding their little communities from the wild beast of that day. Their is no doubt this man was of the serpent seed. In the New testament this would be a Nico-latian – conquer of the laity – common people – Nimrod like Cain was a very intellectual man and could build great building’s and civilization as Nimrod learned.
Most of the believers in that day were plain and were farmers, sheep herders etc. etc. Living off the land.

Your Question
Do you think Adam was a fallen angel (son of God) or do you think that Cain was a fallen angel or do you think he was a Giant. Where do you see the Nephilim fitting into this?
Answer: I believe that Mankind all became fallen angels. But the difference is that Once a Son of God always a Son of God. Like I said Adam was not deceived – but Eve was. And Adam had the Revelation of the sacrifice of Blood that could redeem Him and Eve. It was the blood that had the life in it. We all live off of dead substance. Cain wanted something pretty and did not have a revelation what so ever. Abel believed what Adam taught him. And He gave a blood sacrifice. Adam knew the life gene was polluted by having Cain. When you eat of the “tree of carnal knowledge” this is what happens. But satan will be their and say “But thou shalt not surely die. Millions of Christians and most sinners still believe satans first sermon.

¶ And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
GENESIS 4:26- And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.
Amen thank you Lord.

I do believe that the seed of satan had to cross over on Noah’s Ark by the flood cause their were still plenty of Giants in the land after that. Its plain to see in the OT. In Moses day they Israel was scared of the giants that were in the promise land. BUT they defeated them under Joshua.

One more thing. I do not believe that just a “Spirit alone”can impregnate a woman with seed to have a baby. You can masturbate with a spirit but not have a baby with just a spirit. Many think that satan’s spirit manifested into flesh and bone. Which is an out right lie. That would make satan a equal to God himself. God is the only Creator – satan can only pervert what God has created. Satan can pervert someone and turn them into a fallen creation of sin. But only God is the Creator alone. N.T said do not be carried away with old wise fables etc.
Hope this has helped you some Bro. Steve

Marianne I think I agree with you on that one. To my little simple mind I would you explain it again in another short way. I believe we were all Sons of God to begin with. It all has to be Gods life source. Most do not know our destiny while growing up. But God does. God is the author and finisher of our salvation. He has to “reveal our own salvation” to us. I had nothing to do with it. I was happy as a sinner. But went to church one night and I just answered the call. It seemed the Preacher was just talking to me alone thou many were their that needed saved as well. But I found out it was the ” Word of God” that put me under conviction and I just had to go to the alter. So do you agree on that. God just knew who would serve Him and who would not. Our names were on the Book of life before we were born but we have to hear and answer his call. What a blessing to know. Tom

Dj.- Steve – dmcal52- and all others –
A Rebuttal of the Mark of the beast.
The Mark of the beast is proved by scripture

2 Peter 1:20, “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation”
Revelation is defined as “to reveal, a disclosure,” it does not mean to hide. Yet, that is what most people believe about the book of Revelation…that its meaning is hidden, and that we must resort to “private interpretation.” However, the ‘meaning’ of the book of Revelation is interpreted and revealed by scripture itself.
Remember, the prophesies in this book were written to those living in the first century (Revelation 1:1,4,11). How could God bless his people all this time for keeping these prophesies if they did not understand them (Revelation 1:3; 22:7,9)? The fact is, they did understand them. These prophesies are not left to private interpretation, but the meaning is revealed to everyone, even those who were alive in the first century (Revelation 22:10).
2 Corinthians 4:3, “But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:”

What is a Mark?
A Mark (seal, sign, token, frontlet) is placed upon the forehead or hands, either as a sign of a curse or as a sign of redemption.
· Genesis 4:15: God places a mark on the covenant breaking Cain, so nobody would kill him.
· Exodus 28:36-38: Priests of God wore a gold plate upon their forehead, symbolizing the redeemed man.
· Exodus 13:9,16, Deuteronomy 6:6,8; 11:18: A mark upon the forehead and hand was a symbol of total obedience to God’s Law.
· Solomon 8:6: A seal upon the heart and arm is symbolic of a love for someone.
· Isaiah 49:16: God has graven His people on the palms of His hands as a sign that he would not forget them.
· Ezekiel 9:4: A mark upon the forehead was indicative of their allegiance to the Lord in the midst of abomination.
· Revelation 13:16-17: The Beast places a mark on the hand or forehead of his followers also. This mark is his name (which represents ones character).
· Revelation 14:9-11; 16:2; 19:20: Those who receive the mark of the Beast (worship something other than God) will be tormented. Which means…
· Revelation 9:4: Those who do not have the seal of God in their forehead will be tormented. The Beast’s mark is contrasted to God’s mark!
· Revelation 20:4: Those who do not receive the Beasts’ mark will be the keepers of God’s commandments and have the testimony of Jesus.
· Revelation 15:2: To keep the Word of God is to overcome and be victorious over the mark, or name, or character, of the Beast.
· Revelation 3:12: The name of God will be written upon those who overcome.
· Revelation 7:3; 14:1; 22:4: Where will the name of God be written? It will be sealed in their foreheads!
· Revelation 19:13: What exactly is the name of God that’ll be written in their foreheads? It is The Word Of God! (See also John 1:1,14). In other words, Scripture, God’s Word, will be in their hearts, minds, and souls!

A Name represents ones Character
Biblically, a name represents one’s character. This is why God changed the name of his servants (Genesis 17:5,15; 32:28; 35:10, 2 Samuel 12:25, Acts 13:9), and told parents what to name their unborn child (Genesis 16:11; 17:19, 1 Chronicles 22:9, Isaiah 7:14, Hosea 1:4,6,9, Matthew 1:21,24, Luke 1:13,31), and why men have chosen one name over another for their child (Judges 6:32, Genesis 35:18, Luke 1:59-60), and why name’s of cities have been changed (Genesis 28:19): to reflect their character!
God wants to seal his name, his character, his Law in us (Isaiah 8:16). God’s character is God’s Law, and is described in the Word of God. God’s Law will be written in our hearts and minds (foreheads), Hebrews 10:16, Ezekiel 11:19; 36:26.

The Beast is Man’s Government
The Beast wants to put his character in us as well. The Mark of The Beast, like all scripture, is given so that we may understand God and how to serve Him better. The Mark of The Beast teaches us that the Lord demands uncompromising obedience and unswerving dedication. The Beast represents the archetype of the tyrannical state, which is opposed to God’s Word and God’s Law.
In scripture, the Beast is defined as kings (Daniel 7:17, Revelation 17:10-12), and man-made kingdoms (Daniel 7:18,23, Revelation 16:10) that have power to make war and kill (Revelation 11:7; 17:14). The Beast is the government, with rulers and armies, that are against God and his servants (Revelation 19:19). Jesus said, “He that is not with me is against me” (Matthew 12:30, Luke 11:23). So rulers that enforce laws contrary to God’s Law, are the Beast.
Followers of the Beast receive his mark of ownership; submission to ungodly, anti-Christian law. The mark in Revelation is not to be taken literally. It’s an allusion to the Old Testament symbol of man’s total obedience to God, and stands as a warning that a society’s God (whether the true God or the state) demands complete commitment in all areas of life. Christians cannot compromise (2 Cor.6:14-18). The state is not absolute, it’s under authority of Christ (Psalm 2, Matthew 28:18); it’s an instrument of God (Romans 13:1-7). It has no license to do whatever it likes. It’s ordained purpose is for a rod of correction; to speak the Word of God, to punish evil,

The way that people are currently able to access their bank accounts and perform crediting and debiting to it, is via the magnetic strip on the debit card. This is the precursor to the mark, as the mark will use the same type of technology, which is electronic crediting and debiting, just as is being done with the debit card. The only differences will be that instead of using a piece of plastic with a magnetic strip to access ones account, the individual will have his/her own personal device implanted under the skin. This technology is already being used on animals that have been implanted with chips that have information regarding the animal, such as the name of the dog, his owners address, etc. I don’t have to prove this and that because it has already been in use for some time now. Therefore, I don’t why you would be so suprised regarding computer chips being implanted under the skin, since it is already in used with pets, animals and livestock. They have even implanted thousands of Saguaro cactus out here in the Saguaro Cactus National Monument and that because there are people who drive into the park and steal these cactus for their landscaping buisnesses.

Some would say this will never happened, but it is happening. They are already using RFID chips in product packaging:

If the above link does not work, then just type in RFID in the search field of Bing or Google and you can read all about it. Notice how small the chips are: just a dot on the tip of a human finger and wafer thin. When that antichrist and his right hand man the false prophet comes, he will force all of the inhabitants of the earth to receive their own personal chip. If you don’t like the word chip, it will be some object that will go under the skin of the right hand or forehead of each person, so call it whatever you like. So, instead of one getting his/her debit card out to make a purchase, he will simply have his/her personal chip scanned, which, like the debit card, will debit the indivduals bank accout in real time. Now the way that the false prophet will force the inhabitants to receive this sub dermal device will not be by physical force, but by making cash, check, credit and debit obsolete, leaving only his mark as the only way to buy or sell. To me it is like the proverbial line being drawn in the sand in that, by making his mark the only way for people to be able to buy or sell, they will either receive it or reject it. Those who reject it will be those who fear and love God and know what the consequences will be for anyone who receives the mark. On the other hand, those who receive it, will be those who do not fear God nor acknowledge him and will seek to perserve their own lives at any cost. Not only is that true, but remember that Scripture states that they will worship the beast as god and so I am sure that there will be many who will receive his mark as a form of worship to him.

This is exactly why we have seen for years the push to eliminate remitance by mail and to pay via automatic deduction or via phone, computer or via other devices and that because it is making way for that coming mark. By the time the antichrist is revealed, the technology for the mark will be ready for use (if it isn’t already) and then the next phase of this electonic crediting and debiting system will be fulfilled with the emergence of that mark.

When one reads the Scripture regarding the mark without applying a preconceived interpretation to it, then the literal meaning can be understood. It is when a spiritual or symbolic meaning is applied to the Scripture that it loses its intended meaning and readers are therefore decevied. If it is read at face value, then that is what is meant in the Scripture, verbatum.

Steve -I’m praying that you and others will read this message with the Holy Spirit in your mind to understand . I wrote it with the Holy Spirit moving through me.

The whole human race was in the fall. As I have said. Because of sin. = unbelief – and it was the 1st. Adam just one man that loved his bride and went into sin for her and caused the whole fall of mankind. BUT then the 2nd. man Adam =One man called Jesus Christ brought us up out of the fall. Bought us back out of the pawn shop that Adam and Eve put us in. That is your “translation” back into the Heavenly Kingdom of God. = Garden

It is sooo simple to understand. You either got the “Char–acter of God” or you got the “Character of the world” living in you. These preaches and so called intellectual ingenious people got it so messed up it’s pitiful. They are scared to death of the Chips, tatto’s, or some kind of device etc. etc. and miss it all together. Yet in reality all we have to have is the “Holy Spirit” Controlling you and living in you. Then you not going to be lost. You are not going to except the “Mark of the Beast” either. Gods Son’s are protected and not even death can separate us from the Lord. Most all are believing myth’s and fables of men that do not possess the Holy Spirit if they teach you otherwise. Everybody in American is waiting on a device or a chip. That will make them a anti-christ. They have heard that for so long – How can a Device of any kind deceive you Brother when you got GOD LIVING IN YOUR SOUL – The world in American has fallen for this false doctrine. Listen up -When they made American’s have to get a S.S # – do you realize even then the Christian’s were already brainwashed and would not get one saying it was the “Mark of the Beast” – If we do not know we are secure in Christ by the “Sealing of the Holy Spirit” till the day of our redemption Eph. 4:30 then maybe we all need to check our faith out again. Do you know you possess the Holy Spirit which is GODs = Spirit living in you. You are secure.

The Disciples were so secure along with thousands and thousands of follower’s of Jesus. Was they looking for a chip that was planted in them somewhere. No the Romans looked at their “Character” and knew they were followers of Christ.
We have made the Gospel so complex. That it actually takes your thoughts away from the truth. Just like living in the Future you had better know TODAY what you got living in you. Our time is always. Along with having the Holy Spirit you also get the Lord’s Inheritance with it. HELLO out their. When we gonna get it. The Majority says in the Future. I say and Apostle Paul and the N.T say’s we got it all right NOW. Its by faith. Revelations was fulfilled in the Disciples time. Jesus thought it good to get John to write it down for “future ages”. For us to learn from. HELLO anybody home. We going through the same thing now they went through 2,000 years ago. So we learn from that who are enemies are in THIS DAY. Yet they had the “Mark of the Beast” in that day. It was Roman and Israel the false church that came to “one mind” to kill the true believers. Its the same today. Have you watched the news of the ” risen Caesar Roman Pope and Islam and the Christians of this time “uniting all over the world” even in America. This will come out bad for the real Christians I guarantee you. We already have Kings and Rulers all over the world that persecute Christians. They have killed over 300,000 already in this world in the last few years. Mostly in the middle east. BUT do you hear anything about that” of course not. Did they go in a rapture without death. NO. But we just don’t get it do we. How many went into a rapture in Disciples days without death. NONE

– The Nations are the Beast and religions of Anti-christ that do not want Christians in their country. WHY – Cause the nations are all ruled by satans seed mostly Nico-latians. They love having power over the people and they lie and cheat and steal- sounds like satan don’t it. And get by with it. They hate Jesus cause Jesus is the truth period. And people that have truth cannot be deceived.

Knowing the TRUTH and being FILLED with the SPIRIT won’t keep you from dying or put you in a rapture without tasting of death.. But it will keep you from going to hell cause you already have Eternal life in You Now. Wake up and shake yourself off and know that you are filled with God’s Spirit. God’s promise is that once we are the Seed of God and we accepted our “ELECTION” through Christ. HE guarantee’s you that HE will never take away your ELECTION. = Cause you are the real SEED and you will never DIE but once – but the sinner will have to die twice. But if you not a Christian and Have NOT the Holy Spirit Character= Then you have the Mark of beast. Your “ELECTION” will be destroyed and you gone forever and perish. Its that simple but its not taught much in America. Now taking he Mark of the Beast will not happen until “you decide” you not going to worship or follow or retain Christ teachings in your life. I pray we all will accept the Love of Jesus and know your are secure in Christ. . Only the Lord know’s when a man crosses the line into the Mark of satan. But your “image” or exact copy” and servitude. Tells us of your Character in whom you chose to serve. Not some device stuck in your arm or hand or forehead.

Do yourself a favor and read the following Scripture and leave your spiritual interpretation out of it and just read it as it appears.

“He also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.”

When I read this, I agree with what it says, verbatim. That is, I believe according to the Scripture that the “He” is the false prophet and that because that is who was previously introduced as that second beast who comes up out of the earth and is later identified in Rev.16:13, 19:20 as the false prophet. According to the Scripture it states that he causes all people to receive a mark on the right hand or forehead. I believe just exacty that, a literal right hand and literal forehead. I also believe according to the scripture, that unless anyone has the mark they will not be able to buy or sell. This is the part of the Scripture that those who spiritualize ignore.

Now, the only way that you can come to your conclusion, is to ignore the Scripture and apply your spiritual interpretation, which takes away the true meaning of what is being said. As I keep saying, the problem here is the spiritualizing of Scripture where it is not required. Interpreting Scripture that is meant to be understood literally as spiritual or symbolically, is one of biggest deceptions of Satan. Regarding this book of prophecy, God says the following:

“And I solemnly declare to everyone who hears the words of prophecy written in this book: If anyone adds anything to what is written here, God will add to that person the plagues described in this book. And if anyone removes any of the words from this book of prophecy, God will remove that person’s share in the tree of life and in the holy city that are described in this book.”

When you replace the literal meaning of Scripture with a spiritual interpretation, you “take away” the words of this book and that because you are changing the meaning. My point is, I can do no wrong by believing what the Scripture says, but you on the other hand are not believing what it says, but are applying a different meaning other than what is written. So, if I was to stand before the Lord and he asked me to read that verse and then he asked me what it meant, I would say, that it means exactly what it says Lord. You on the other hand would not be able to do that, because you have applied a spiritual meaning to the mark, the right hand, the forehead and the meaning of not being able to buy or sell with the mark, ergo, they no longer have the meaning that God intended.

Your type of interpretation reminds me of those who believe in a post trib: they say that the whole world is going to be Christianized, that is, made righteous, to make way for the Lord’s return. Yet, the burden of proof is on them and that because the world is getting more and more evil and not more righteous. In the same way, the burden of proof is on you who spiritualize the mark of the beast and that because the system for the mark has been evolving before our very eyes and will continue to evolve until that antichrist comes. We will continue to see a push to get rid of making payments by mail and more used of electronic crediting and debiting until that antichrist comes and with him the emergence of that mark.

I’m curious, let’s say that you continue believing and applying this spiritual interpretation regarding the beast and his mark. Then sometime in the future, on the news you see that a man has made a seven year covenant with Israel and others and you begin to see the emergence of a device that is to be implanted in the right hand or the forehead and its purpose will be to allow the user to credit and debit his/her bank account just like with the debit card. My question is, after starting to seeing the literal fulfilllment of these things, would you continue trusting in your spiritual interpretation regarding the Scripture or would you recognize that you were wrong and abandon your spiritual interpretation realizing that the events are taking place literally?

Tom said:
“They have heard that for so long – How can a Device of any kind deceive you Brother when you got GOD LIVING IN YOUR SOUL”

Rebut:
Who said that those who belong to God are going to be the one’s receiving the mark. It will be those whose names have not been written in the book of life from before the world began who will receive the mark and they don’t have God living in their souls. There are going to be different groups of people during that time and one of them will be the great tribulation saints. These will not receive the mark, but those who do not belong to God will receive it.

Tom said:
“When they made American’s have to get a S.S # – do you realize even then the Christian’s were already brainwashed and would not get one saying it was the “Mark of the Beast”

Rebut:
If they did this, they were in error of Scripture and that because the SSN is a piece of paper and has nothing to do with the right hand or forehead. Neither does it prevent anyone who doesn’t have it from buying or selling. It would be just a matter of ignorance of Scripture. In order to claim prophecy you have to have all the pieces to the puzzle present. They have done the same thing with claiming past men as the anichrist and that without them having all of the characteristics of the antichrist.

Tom said:
“The Disciples were so secure along with thousands and thousands of follower’s of Jesus. Was they looking for a chip that was planted in them somewhere. No the Romans looked at their “Character” and knew they were followers of Christ.”

Rebut:
No Tom, the disciples were not looking for a chip and that because the book of revelation was written after most of them were dead. On top of that, most of the information in the book of revelation is geared toward believers in the future, which would be us who are seeing these things coming on the world scene. Again, this beast will be proclaiming himself to be God and will be given authority to rule over every tribe and people and language and nation. And all the people who belong to this world will worship the beast. They are the ones whose names were not written in the Book of Life before the world began. True believers will not receive the mark, but those other people will most certainly receive it.

Tom said:
“We have made the Gospel so complex. That it actually takes your thoughts away from the truth. Just like living in the Future you had better know TODAY what you got living in you.”

Rebut:
The book of Revelation is about the future leading up to the return of Christ to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom. The gospel is not complex, for it is Christ crucified, buried and resurrected. What is so complex about that?

Tom said:
“Revelations was fulfilled in the Disciples time. Jesus thought it good to get John to write it down for “future ages”. For us to learn from. HELLO anybody home. ”

Rebut:
As I said earlier, you need to have all prophecy regarding an event present in order to claim fulfilllment. That being said, regarding the wrath of God events that will be taking place which are mentioned in revelation, have you seen or is there a record of the a third of the earth and a third of the trees having been burnt up? Have we seen that obect “like a huge mountain all ablaze” thrown into the ocean killing a third of all the sea creatures and destroying a third of the ships on the earth? Have many people died by drinking the waters from that object that falls on the springs of fresh water? Have we seen the Abyss opened and demonic beings torment the inhabitants of the earth with tails and stings like scorpions? Have we seen a third of the population of the earth killed by those 200 million mounted troops? Have we seen any of the bowl judgments? That would be, No to all!

The coming of the antichrist is directly related to the physical, visual return of the Lord to the earth to end the age. That anitchrist will make his covenant in the middle of the seven and then 3 1/2 years later he will set up that abomination. This will cause the desolation of Jerusalem where thehy will flee out into the desert where God will have a place prepared for them, which is where they will stay until the Lord returns 3 1/2 years. I have just mentioned a few of the requirements to be able claim that the events of revelation have been completed of which none of them have been fulfilled, that is unless you spiritualize everything.

Tom said:
“The Nations are the Beast and religions of Anti-christ that do not want Christians in their country.”

Rebut:
The beast is that angel that of the Abyss who will be let out at the opening of the Abyss at the 5th trumpet. He will kill the two witnesses as prophesied and will possess the antichrist, that man of lawlessness. In the book of revelation, the beast is identified as both that last day kingdom and the ruler of that kingdom. And all the people who belong to this world will worship the beast. They are the ones whose names will have not been written in the Book of Life before the world began. During this time, Satan, through the beast, will be getting what he has wanted from the beginning and that is to be worshiped. And the people of the earth will give him that by worshiping the beast, his image and by receiving his mark.

I went back to my original post and I can see how it could be misconstrued that I was saying that he makes his covenant in the middle of the seven. I think that I was just typing too fast. Here is my original post:

“That anitchrist will make his covenant in the middle of the seven and then 3 1/2 years later he will set up that abomination.

This is what I meant to post:

“That anitchrist will make his covenant for one seven and then 3 1/2 years later he will set up that abomination.”

Tpm said:
“But if you not a Christian and Have NOT the Holy Spirit Character= Then you have the Mark of beast. ”

Rebut:
As previously stated, not having the Holy Spirit does not equal receiving the mark. Neither has anyone received the mark by observing the Sabbath day on Sunday, as some believe. The mark will be a literal device that will go into the literal right hand or forehead and will become the only way to be able to buy or sell and by receiving it will be a form of worship to that antichrist. The mark of the beast has not yet come upon the world scene and therefore has nothing to do with the faithful of the past and that because it hasn’t existed at any other time in history, but will come about at the very end when that antichrist is revealed.

Tom, I beleive that you have been listening to the teachings of Hank Hennigraff too much. You need to understand that Revelation is to be read literally unless a symbolic interpretation is required and those are obvious. For not everything in Revelaiton requires a spiritual or symbolc interpretatioin. You distort the true meaning of Scripture with your erroneous interpretations. If God says that the sky is blue, you had better believe it and stop running around trying to figure out what color the sky is!

Tom, just to let you know, I am not responding with all that I have just to be agrumentative, but to proclaim the truth of God’s word. I am one who is zealous for the truth and accuracy of God’s word and so I correct, rebuke and contend for the truth of God’s word when I see others destorting and circumventing it. My hope is that you would put aside this form of interpretation that you have been taught and are now teaching and reconsider the truth of God’s word. The consequences for distorting the word of God are eternal. Think about it!

dmcal52
said
“That anitchrist will make his covenant in the middle of the seven and then 3 1/2 years later he will set up that abomination. This will cause the desolation of Jerusalem where they will flee out into the desert where God will have a place prepared for them, which is where they will stay until the Lord returns 3 1/2 years.”

Daniel 12:11
“From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days”

Is the covenant not made at the start of the seven and the abomination set up in the middle of the seven?

No, Dmcal52 did not say that the antichrist will make his covenant in the middle of the seven, but that he will make his covenant at the beginning of the ‘seven’ and in the middle of that seven he will cause the daily sacrifice and offerings to cease and set up that abomination. When he makes his covenant thats when the seven year period begins. My claim is based on Dan. 9:27

“He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’ In the middle of the ‘seven’ he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.”

Your Scripture of 1,290 days, is 30 days longer than the 1260 days mentioned and that because it will most likely have to do with judgments or whatever other business will be going on during that time after the Lord returns. Here is that Scripture and by the way, you left out the mention of 1,335 days.

“From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.” (Dan.12:11-12)

If it was that urgent of a message, really important – then Allen and those at IHOP would post it by now – free.

I wonder if Allen still thinks America’s (US) “Founding Fathers” (George Washington, Ben Franklin, James Mason, James Madison, Thomas Jefferson and others) were Christians (accepted Jesus was their Messiah and Lord).

Tell me what Allen says and I’ll save 50 dollar bills that have this printed on them.

Does Allen know that the George Washington Monument is the tallest structure dedicated to the Beast (666)?

The GW Monument (pagan, Egyptian obelisk) is 555 ft (6660″) in hight and 55 ft (666″) by 55 ft (666″) at the base.

You think Almighty God is pleased with this pagan Egyptian (obelisk) symbol (666) in the nation’s Capital?

Let Allen know – America is not one nation (one people) under God.

We are a nation under GOD (god in capital letters), so all people (illegal and legal citizens) have the freedom to worship their god.

Most people in America worship Baal and Ashlar – but they just don’t know the religious, demonic source. It goes back to Babylon.

Tell Allen – NYC will receive a nuke. This is likely to occur in 2015. It will be delivered by the same people who brought about 9/11.

Let Allen know we are in the last days. The Lord Is standing at the door as Judge (James chapter 5).

Well, I can tell you right away that America has nothing to do with Mystery Babylon, so if that is what Allen and IHOP are pitching it is already false. For America is not a city nor does it sit on seven hills. Also, it is not only America’s demise that is coming, but the entire world, for that is what the day of the Lord is all about. The wrath of God upon all nations and the dismantalling of human goverment.

Literalism vs. Spiritualism – Part 1
Which passages of Scripture like Obama said should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is okay and that eating shellfish is an abomination? Or we could go with Deuteronomy which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the the faith.

That is, the Bible actually does not say that slavery is OK – neither does it say that a child should be stoned if he strays from the faith. But due to the dire lack of Biblical literacy in Western society too few people would even recognize this.

Can we take the Bible’s message “literally”? After all, if we do, we all stand condemned because it literally tells us that despite everything being originally created “good” and “very good”, mankind rejected God’s best and exchanged it for Satan’s grand lies: You can make your own rules and be your own god – that is: (( you can invent and maintain your own religion!)) Ever since that original lie was swallowed there has been something not quite right about this world.

And if a person was to look close enough at Jesus of Nazareth in the pages of the Bible they would marvel at how different He is and was to Israel’s religion and wonder how any person could be so good and righteous with a ministry that was infallible proof of HIS authority. Yet Israel would put him to death because of his oddness. For the church then they said HE spoke in “false heresy. And they just could not get the Spiritual revelation. They proved themselves by themselves as the Bible says. By eating from the “tree of knowledge”. They just could not see the Mysteries of Jesus Christ was hidden and completely foreign to them. And most ALL of their great leaders of the Sanhedrin were deceived. “” So think about that for awhile””.
We Americans today are just as Israel was in Jesus Day. I never heard of that before. Its go to be wrong. It don’t line up with Dr. so and so etc. etc.
It is then perhaps incomprehensible to post-moderns how the Jesus of the Bible could be called “good” if He was intolerant – which He clearly was, since He did not tolerate hypocrisy, injustice, or sin. Similarly, post-moderns find the Jesus of the Bible abhorrent because He judged others and even condemned some. In fact, He made the audacious claim that He would ultimately judge the whole world!
St.John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Col. 16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
A. These dietary restrictions served a symbolic purpose for a time. But that time ended when God did away with the Old Covenant and established the New Covenant- The Old Covenant was abolished Paul said.
B. But still today Many thousands of Christians still believe this passage has to be literally interpreted in the N.T.

Actually, the only time symbolism and literalism clash is when disagreements on specific passages occur, such as in the Bible.
A proponent of literalist can say Jesus was really the “Son of God” while a symbolists might say everyone is the “son of God” as we are his children. Which is correct? Well, it’s up to you to decide. It has to be a “Spiritual Revelation” to really know what it means. The Holy Ghost is your guide.

John 16:13 Howbeit when HE, the “”Spirit of truth“”, is come, HE (the Spirit) will ““guide you into all truth““: for HE shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall HE speak: and HE will shew you things “to come“.

A. Jesus message was for “His generation” as well as ours today. We all but forget that Jesus Message was foremost for “His Little Flock” to “come out of her my people” and be not partakers of her sins.Rev. 18:4 = of unbelief cause they did not possess what they confessed in Jesus day. Jesus revelation was by the “Spirit of God” was the greatest and was for all the generations to come. His Message was Spiritual all the way” It Fulfilled all Prophesy of Himself. And of Israel. And it seemed so “contrary to all the doctrines” of the O.T Church age of that day”. Same today.

B. It was the end of the “era” and the O.T became obsolete.” Cannot we see the “spiritual affect” of today is the same. It’s just like in Jesus Day. The trained Pharisee’s and the others were so carnal minded with their laws. It was the “Leaders of the Sanhedrin” that were the great, intellectual scholar’s that missed him by their literal understanding, and it went right on down to the common people that way. Paul was a member of the Sanhedrin and one of them. But Jesus had him on the Book of Life with the chosen of the “little flock” that would believe his “Revelation“. And It took him 12 to 15 years to understand the Message of the “Revelation” of Jesus Christ. He did not learn it from man’s intellectual conception of truth. But by the Holy Spirit. Paul said he had to unlearn himself from all mens doctrines to get the real “Revelation by the Spirit” to understand the Mysteries of God and the Lamb.

John 15:24-26 If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. ((Israel as a whole hated Jesus revelation by the spirit as well)). It was so contrary to their myths of literalism. = Law’s
25. But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, “”They hated me without a cause.””

26. But when the ““Comforter is come“”, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the “”Spirit of truth,”” which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: ((It takes the Spirit to know the Truth)) So wait upon your ministry till you get the truth validated by the Spirit of Christ.

Matt.5:3 Blessed are the “poor in spirit“: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. (Not poor in intellectual wisdom). You can be a genius but not many will come into the Kingdom of God according to Paul. God has to “reveal” truth to you by the Spirit that is in the scripture you study. The poor are the ones that yearn for truth, and are lowly in Spirit, and they thirst for true meaning of the Word of truth.

John 7:15-18 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, ((having never learned?))
16. Jesus answered them, and said, (My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.)
A. Like Paul – intellectual concepts do not move me and Is dung to me. It’s means nothing without Spiritual meaning by Revelation of the Spirit not flesh. Gods Word is Spiritual. A man without the Spirit will never understand the mysteries of God. Its been proven over and over again. They Just cant get it. They become bound by their “own doctrines of devils” which bring the “Spirit of error”. The Spirit of God is the only remedy for release from a carnal mind. That just will not except anything contrary to the multitudes that think just like them. Israel could never discern their own Prophet’s and Jesus said the killed them all. They might not kill you today. But they will sure cut your head off spiritually. By thinking you are a crazy man. They thought Jesus was a MAD man. He was sooo different in Doctrine than they.

Here is an example that I go way out of the ball park on to just try and tap into you mind what literalism really is.
Jh. 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
a. Is God a actual loaf of Bread. It ridiculous to think that. amen – Jesus disciples actually at one time thought that they had to eat Jesus body and drink his blood. And the 70 would not walk with Him anymore over that.

JOHN 6:34 Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread.
JOHN 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
a. So the literalist has to believe he will never hunger and never thirst.

17. If “any man will do his will“, (he shall know of the doctrine,) whether it be of God,——- or of man

Jh. 7: 24 Judge not “”according to the appearance“”, but judge righteous judgment. ((Many things in scripture are not what it seems or portrays)).
It takes a patient man to listen to God’s Holy Trumpet.
Is the trumpet a literal trumpet. I could go on and on- But this is enough.

1101 » to mix, mingle, confuse, confound- to mingle, confuse, and last but not least it means “” to fade away” The world today is dissolving as we read this post.

What was the Tower of Babel. It was going to be the world center for Nimrod. And all races. Meaning a “One world takeover. That is why “God came down” and confused them. Yes “God came down” but how many saw him in that day. Good question.
One of the words in that text means pulpit and or gateway. If we cannot see the Perplexity = Jesus told us of. Then we are as bad as Israel itself before it was completely destroyed by the Roman Empire. 70 A.D.
Perplexity means the Nations of this world in Jesus days and our Days had no answer’s for their problems. But they would not seek God to get any either.
Palisade

You can make this claim Marianne, but you’re not coming to this conclusion by the information that God provides for us contained in the Scripture. For example, how can mystery Babylon be world wide and America be apart of it, when the woman is said to be the CITY that ruled over the kings of the earth and that city is said to sit on seven hills. The information that God has provided in Scripture is so that we can figure out who or what is being spoken of. To claim that Mystery Babylon is world wide, including America, would be to plainly ignore the clues that God gives us. We have to utilize the information given to us contained in Scripture and not just apply whatever we fancy.

In this case, all of the information written in Rev.17 & 18 paints us a picture of Mystery Babylon, that is, who she is and that is how we can come to true a conclusion based on Scripture.

“They are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while. The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.”

The seven heads, as the angel reveals, represent seven hills/mountains where the woman sits and who is a city. The seven heads also represent seven kings. It is important to pay attention to the Scripture. As the angel reveals regarding these kings, five have fallen. This infers that at the time that John is receiving this information from the angel, that five of those seven kings have fallen, that is, they have ruled in succession and have come and gone. Then the angels says, “one is”, that is, at the time that the angel was revealing this information to John king number six was currently ruling. Then the angels says, king number seven has not yet come, but when he does come, he must remain for only a little while, meaning that his reign would be future to John, but short in duration. Then the angel mentions an eighth king and he is counted with the other seven. And for those of you who don’t believe that the word beast is referring to an actual person the verse says, “The beast who once was, and now is not is an eighth “king.”

All that said, to answer your question, unlike those ten kings who rule concurrently with the beast, these seven kings rule in succession, that is, they ruled one after another.

You said:
“I do not see the pope wearing pearls either.”

The reference to her dressed in purple and scarlet, and glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls, is referring to the luxury that she has given her self, that is, the woman. To see what I am talking about, go out to the search engine “Bing” and type in “Catholic purple and scarlet” and then click on “Images of Catholic purple and scarlet.” Here you will see God’s reason for the mention of purple and scarlet which is to point us to who Mystery Babylon is, as well as the mention of gold and her luxury. Just scan all the pictures and you will see what I am taking about.

You said:
“the way I see it, the woman, mystery Babylon is NOT the beast…she just sits on top of it. if the woman is the roman catholic church, then who is the beast she rides?”

You are correct in that, Mystery Babylon is not the beast, but is riding it. The beast she rides is first identified as Satan:

“The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.”

“He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.”

Just FYI, the word “Beast” is used in place of “dragon” in Rev.17:4
they referring to the same beast.

Satan as the dragon/beast is the one who is behind what is taking place regarding Mystery Babylon

Ten horns of the beast = Ten kings who rule concurrently in the future

Seven heads = seven hills and seven kings who ruled successively.

These are the characteristics of the beast. There is nothing mentioned in the Scriptures regarding any other part of the dragon being symbolic of anything. The mention of the seven crowns is referring to those seven succession of kings.

Again, they are seven kings, not popes. The eighth king that belongs to those succession of kings is the beast which comes up out of the Abyss who will be the one who controls/possesses the antichrist. There are certain monikers that identify that beast within Scripture as can be seen below:

“Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come.”
(1 John 2:18)

“They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer).
(Rev.11:11)

“Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.” (2 Thes.2:3)

“And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. (2 Thes.2:8)

“The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction.”

“Now when they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up from the Abyss will attack them, and overpower and kill them.

“The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.”

Once was = Was not in the Abyss, but out in the world

Now is not = Is not in the world, but is now is in the Abyss

And yet will come = The beast will come up out of the Abyss

And the following is his destruction along with the false prophet:

“But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

On the contrary Marianne. I have always been clear in that, the beast and the woman are two separate entities. Obviously the beast is what the woman is riding. We know that the word beast/dragon is used first to represent Satan and is also used to represent that last day ruler, the antichrist, who will be controlled by the beast who comes up out of the Abyss. The woman is that false religious system who whose headquarters is that city that sits on seven hills/mountains. The phrase “The woman who rides the beast” is in reference to her association with the beast for her own purposes. It’s a merger! The beast will be proclaiming to be God and the woman will be that pagan system with her leader as the false prophet. That being said, why are saying that I am mixing the beast and woman?

The issue that we have been butting heads on is that, you continue to apply a spiritual or symbolic interpretation where a literal one is required. If you were receiving and proclaiming the Scripture correctly, then I would be in agreement with you. If the literal sense makes good sense, then don’t seek out a spiritual or symbolic meaning. Here are some examples:

“And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.”

“A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. 2She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. 3Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. ”

In the first Scripture there is nothing in the context that would lead the reader to seek after a spiritual meaning, but that it is meant to be understood literally. That is, as Jesus returns to the earth an angel is literally going to have the key to the Abyss, just as the angel had at the 5th trumpet which he will use to open the Abyss with. The angel here in Rev.20 is also said to be holding a great chain. Regardless of whether the key is coporeal or incoporeal is irrelavant and that because it does not change the fact the angel is going to use it to open the Abyss. Likewise, it does not matter whether the chain is coporeal or incoporeal, because Satan is going to be bound with it. The material make-up of the both the key and the chain do not constitute the need to interpret the Scripture spiritually. For by doing so, it takes away the actual meaning of the Scripture, that being that Satan is literally going to be bound in the Abyss for a literal thousand years. That the thousand years are literal is also substantiated by the fact that the words ” a thousand years” is used consistently to denote the amount of time that Satan is going to be bound for, as well as how long the saints are going to rule with Christ for.

Now regarding the second Scripture, a woman is clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and is wearing a crown of twelves stars on her head. The reader should immediately recognize this Scripture as symbolic and that because the language is obvious. So, since the reader knows that this is meant to be symbolic, it requires finding out what the symbols mean within the context. In this case in order to find out who the woman is, one would need to find out the literal meaning behind the sun, moon and stars.

When a person incorrectly applys a symolic or spiritual interpreation to Scripture that God meant to be understood as literal, then that person is distorting and circumventing the word of God.

Dmcal – Really what you are saying is for me to explain all the above for you in the Spiritual realms . So you can pick out all the parts etc etc. Yet If I did you are set in “cement” to “literalism in your heart” why would I bother.

No Tom, I am not asking for you to explain those things in the spiritual realms, because my point is that none of them are spiritual, but are literal or symbolic:

““And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.”

Angel = a literal Angel

Key = A literal Key (Regardless of its properties)

Abyss = The literal Abyss located within the earth

Great chain = A literal Great chain (regardless of its properties)

Angel seizes Satan = A literal seizing of Satan

Satan bound a thousand years = A literal thousand year binding of Satan in the Abyss.

So, in the example above, I am in agreement with what the written word states. You on the other hand would have a completely different interpretation of each of those listed above and that is where the problem lies. So, the question then becomes, who told you to change what literally appears in print and assign a spiritual interpretation to them? Don’t you understand that when you do this and teach it, you are teaching a false teaching?

Scripture states that the Lord himself will descend from heaven and believers, dead and living will be resurrected, changed and caught up to be with the Lord, but you say, No, to the literal and spiritualize the Scripture. Once you have done this and the person believes, they are no longer looking for and anticipating the appearing of our Lord. Don’t you understand that you will be held accountable for that?

The historically, most well known city that was literally built on seven hills, is the city of Rome. “Come and visit the seven hills of Rome” has been and is one their main tourist catch-phrases. The angel also said to John,

“The woman you saw is that great city that rules over the kings of the earth.”

At the time that John was receiving this information from the angel, Rome was that city that ruled over the then known world. Here is another clue that God gave us regarding this woman, “The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and was glittering with gold, precious stones and pearls.” If you have ever watched anything on the Vatican, these are the exact colors that are worn by the catholic liturgy. On the search engine “Bing” type in “Catholic purple and scarlet” and then click on “Images” on the very top left of the screen. You will also notice all of the items of gold used in their rituals in various pictures.

These are clues which God gaves us to point us to Rome and this skewed version of Christianity which would become Mystery Babylon, the Mother of all Prostitutes. It is said that the woman is committing adultery with the kings of the earth, which is true of her past, is taking place now and will especially take place in the future after she comes back into the power that she used to have and has been waiting to regain, which will be provided via the beast that is coming. The word here in the verse for “adultery” is the Greek “Porneuo” which of course is speaking in the figurative, which is defined as,

“(figuratively) to be unfaithful to Christ, while posing as His true follower.

Let’s take the title of “Mystery Babylon” off the table for a moment and let’s look at Roman Catholicism as she is. She is claiming to be the true church of Christ, yet the rituals and practices that stem from Babylon can be seen in her. Here is a brief list of some of those practices:

* Queen of heaven worship

* Mother and son worship

* The Eucharist

* St. Peter’s obelisk

When emperor Constantine claimed to have a vision from God and became the first pope, he then subsequently deemed Christianity as the official religion of Rome. This is where the skewed version of Christianity took place. At that time the people of Rome worshiped a pantheon of god’s which were just transferred over and renamed or overlaid with the names of saints. The same thing was done regarding Queen of heaven and mother and son worship, which was overlaid upon Mary and Jesus.

The Eucharist is Rome’s version of breaking bread and the drinking of the wine that Jesus gave us as something that we could participate in which symbolized his body that was broken for us and the drinking of the wine which is of course representing his blood that was shed for us. Because of the edicts of the different counsels of Rome, as well as Ex-Cathedra (from the seat), the elements of the bread and the wine were deemed by Rome to be the Lord’s literal flesh and blood that was being consumed, being combined in the form of the Eucharist. According to Catholic dogma, at the time that an individual partakes of the Eucharist, the mystery of transubstantiation take place. The definition of this is where the appearance of the Eucharist remains the same, but the substance is mysteriously transformed into the literal flesh and blood of the Lord. And according to Catholic dogma, anyone who says that it is just a symbolic act, is anathema, that is, accursed.

Both queen of heaven and mother and son worship stem from Babylon beginning with Semiramis and Tamuz, Isis and Horus and then took on other names with different people and different time periods. This practice of mother and son and queen of heaven worship is what we are seeing in Roman Catholicism today when we see the pictures and statues of Mary cradling baby Jesus. The queen of heaven worship was overlaid on Mary, her being without original sin or any sin, a perpetual virgin, co-mediator, co-savior, mother of god, queen of heaven and assumed up into heaven, etc. Regarding Mother and son worship, this pagan practice even found its way into Israel, as can be seen in the account of Ezekiel 8:14:

“Then he brought me to the entrance of the north gate of the house of the Lord, and I saw women sitting there, mourning the god Tammuz. He said to me, “Do you see this, son of man? You will see things that are even more detestable than this.”

Babylon’s “Queen of Heaven” worship is also demonstrated in Jeremiah 7:17-18:

“Do you not see what they are doing in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes to offer to the Queen of Heaven. They pour out drink offerings to other gods to arouse my anger.”

Most of the pagan practices which stemmed from Babylon can be found in the church of Rome. Now, what about that 19th century B.C. obelisk that is sitting out in the middle of St. Peter’s square, which was used for sun worship and possibly phallus worship. What kind of abomination is that this object should be sitting out on the front porch of what is supposed to be the church of Christ? There is no excuse what-so-ever for that being there, for it is surely not glorifying God. If anything it would be a dishonor and an abomination to God. But we’re not talking about the true church of Christ here, but a counterfeit, Mystery Babylon, the woman who rides the beast.

I personally believe that one of the future pope’s is going to play the part of that second beast, the false prophet described in Rev.13. He already has over 1.2 billion devotees, just think what will happen to that number when he begins to perform those miracles, signs and wonders.

We had this conversation once before, a few years back, on another of Marianne’s boards here. I don’t recall the subject title at the moment. There are MANY cities that claim to be built on 7 hills, according to Wikipedia. It’s somewhere around 60 cities, which include: Rome, Georgia, USA; Seven Hills, Ohio, USA; Tehran, Iran; Athens, Greece; Moscow, Russia; and, yes, Rome, Italy, which is the most well known.

I agree with you, Dmcal, the Bible references to Rome, and the present day Vatican’s use of the prescribed colors and use of gold objects stand out. And, Pope Francis seems to be ever so well liked by the Catholic congregation, not so sure many of the Bishops and Cardinals are so happy with him, speaking out as he does on subjects. Maybe this Pope, maybe another.

I always thought it, well, interesting, not sure how else to say it – that Rome crucified Jesus, only to turn around a few centuries later and declare Christianity the official religion of Rome.

Also, there are obelisks in major cities around the world, including Egypt (of course), France, Israel, Italy, Poland, Turkey, United Kingdom and in the United States. Though more known as having an Egyptian origination, they are also alluded to the Assyrian culture, Ancient Rome, Byzantine, and pre-Columbian.

The detective in me wants to “figure it all out.” Quickly, and NOW. I want to know! And I feel secure in that our Lord will provide me with the information I need to know at the time I need to know it. So while a piece of my brain remains scanning the horizon for “clues” – for the most part, when I find myself “spinning” – I retreat into prayer and meditation with Him.

I would agree with your post. My point regarding the obelisk is that, regardless of whether there are other obelisks around the world and as you pointed out, there are. My point was/is that this is the system that is claiming to be the true church of Christ while having an obelisk that was created and used for pagans for pagan worship. There is absolutely no reason, no apologetic that can be given to justify that object being there. This is just one characteristic announcing who she really is, but no one even questions that. Roman Catholicism is that woman who rides the beast and for lack of better words, she is paganism wearing Christian clothing.

“Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits…” (Rev. 17:9).

Well, unless you’re reading the NIV or Easy-to-Read, then we see “7 hills” and not 7 mountains.

Once again – it is not literal “hills” or “mountains” but a representation that is much larger in scope, influence and power than “Rome” and the Universal Church.

The Beast is worldwide – within all cultures and civilizations through institutions, societies that do not honor Almighty God or His Son as the Messiah. This is known as the wisdom of man (6) on a worldwide scale (6-6-6).

Did you know that the UN (headquarters in NYC with its Egyptian obelisk in Central Park) is a worldwide institution, organization with membership of nations with representation on 7 continents? This UN presence includes Antarctica.

Trusting this reply posts as I await your rely while watching college football.

I am well aware that there are obelisks around the globe. My point is that there is an obelisk that was used for pagan sun worship sitting out in front of what is claiming to be the true church of Christ. Do you understand the difference? Along with the other pagan practices that I posted regarding the church in Rome, the mention of the obelisk was to accentuate her pagan characteristics. Regardless if there are other obelisks around the world, it should be obvious that the church in Rome IS NOT the true church of Christ, but a counterfeit. It certainly would not glorify God, but if anything, it is blasphemous!

What is your thinking on this, that since there are other pagan obelisks around the world, it is not big deal if the church has one too?

It is a big deal that there are pagan Egyptian obelisks relocated to Rome (Vatican), London, NYC and Paris.

You seem to focus on the Universal Church placing an Egyptian obelisk in St. Peter’s Basilica, yet ignore the painfully obvious larger symbol built to the Beast (666).

Yes, the Universal Church is the false church. An obelisk as a center piece in their plaza is just one obvious symbol of the false, pagan church.

There are many symbols within the traditions of the Universal Church, worshiping Mother Goddess (Isis, Ashtar). Therefore, it is fitting that an oblisk from Egypt (Isis & Horus demonic work) be located in the center of their plaza.

These Egyptian obelisks have inscriptions.

If you decide to open this link, you can read the inscription upon the Egyptian obelisk located in NYC.

Here is another passage that describes the works of those who worship the Beast:

Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter’s clay: for shall the work say of him that made it,
He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it,
He had no understanding?” (Isaiah 29:16, KJV)

Funny, the verse from Isaiah was quoted in the movie, “National Treasure” – a tribute to Freemasons in the US, produced by Disney.

Time is very short.

You best focus on enduring and overcoming until His return (Rev. 12:11).

As I said DJ, my purpose is to point out that the entity that claims to be the true church of Christ, Roman Catholicism, has a pagan obelisk out on its front porch, which is revealing her true nature.

Also, obelisks have nothing to do with the mark of the beast, for it will be a means of buying and selling just as the Scripture reveals:

“He also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, so that they could not ‘buy or sell’ unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

As I stated in many other posts, the mark will be the replacement for the debit card. In the future, when that antichrist comes, this system that the mark will use for buying and selling (crediting and debiting) will have already been set up and in fact is already set up. People us it every day without knowing it. The system with its VeriFone devices already allows people to buy and sell via the debit card. When that antichrist comes his mark will replace cash, checks, credit and debit, leaving only that mark. When that happens, the only way for anyone to be able to credit and debit their bank account will be if they have that mark, ergo, he forces them. This mark will some how be linked to the name or the number of that beast. On the other hand, it is complete conjecture to imply that the mark has anything to do with obelisks and their dimenstions.

DJ said:
“Once again – it is not literal “hills” or “mountains” but a representation that is much larger in scope, influence and power than “Rome” and the Universal Church.”

Rebut:
Oh, but it is literal DJ! The seven heads are the symbol, where the hills/mountains, which the symbolism is representing. According to your interpretation, it would symbolism representing symbolism.

Symbol Literal

Seven heads = Seven hills/mountains

Seven heads also = Seven kings

DJ said:
“that is much larger in scope, influence and power than “Rome” and the Universal Church.”

Rebut:
I don’t think you understand the magnitude of this. Roman Catholicism currently has over 1.2 billion followers. I’d say that is pretty influential, wouldn’t you? Now, what do you think is going to happen to those numbers if the false prophet is indeed one of the future Pope’s and he begins to perform those miracles, signs and wonders, even causing fire to come down out of heaven in the sight of the inhabitants of the earth? That’s is correct! That 1.2 billion is going to increase greatly to multiple billions, pulling in all of the splinter sects claiming to be the church of Christ, such as Mormonism, JW, Scientology, Christian Science, as well as those who are not religious. This will mean that since the False prophet will be performing those miracles, signs and wonders on behalf of the first beast, and the fact that he will be the leader of that last day religious system, the beast will have all of those religious people in his hip pocket and that because of all that the false prophet will perform in order to give the first beast credibility of his claim of being God.

DJ said:
“The Beast is worldwide – within all cultures and civilizations through institutions, societies that do not honor Almighty God or His Son as the Messiah. This is known as the wisdom of man (6) on a worldwide scale (6-6-6).”

Rebut:
Scripture is clear in that, the word “beast” is referring to that last day kingdom, as well as the king of that last day kingdom. Here is one Scripture that demonstrates this fact:

“But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. “The two of them” were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. ” (Rev.19:20)

Notice that the Scripture infers that both the beast and the false prophet are persons, individuals, referring to “the two of them.” Furthermore, it is said that “they” are both thrown “ALIVE” into the lake of fire. Therefore, regarding your claim above, the beast cannot be symbolic for all cultures, civilizations and societies, but is representing that last day kingdom and its ruler. While it is true that beasts kingdom will affect all of the inhabitants of the earth, the inhabitants themselves are not the beast. That being said, the beast and false prophet are literal persons who will be thrown alive into the lake of fire when Jesus returns to end the age. Here is another verse of Scripture that demonstrates that the beast and the false prophet are individual persons:

“And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.”

Regarding the Scripture above, the devil is an actual individual and the beast and the false prophet are portrayed in the verse with him as individual persons.

“After them another “KING” will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings. “He” will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be delivered into ‘HIS’ hands for ‘a time, times and half a time.’ ” (Dan.7:25)

“The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for “forty-two months.” He opened his mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. He was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation.”

The beast and false prophet are both literal beings who will perform all that is written of them and who will be destroyed in the Lake of fire when the Lord returns to the earth.

I think that you are confused here. The mention of the mountains/hills is only to identify where the woman, that city, sits, the headquarters of Mystery Babylon . The kings have nothing to do with the mountains/hills, that is, they are not one king per hill. The seven heads have two symbolic meanings, one being the seven hills/mountain that she sits on and the other is seven kings who rule successively, which shows where that eighth king who is the antichrist comes from.

dmcal – Brother you are so far out into left field you might never get up to hit the ball. Its impossible to read all the scriptures literally and get the symbolic meanings right. Most all of Israel could not do it and you cannot do it either. If literalism could not understand Jesus and His ministry then. What about now.

Jesus took 40 days after His ascension to prove Himself as ascended. And had come back to them with revelation of the truth . He actually had to show Himself to most of His little flock of 120. And a few others. He eat with his disciples after He rose, He came into their room and showed Thomas he really rose from the dead. He went to the harlot woman first to show back His love for her. For Jesus Knew that she probably loved Him more than all the others. She was at the Tomb first. Then their is the Emmaus Road. Jesus taught those two. From Moses up to that Present time. = they got a history lesson from the risen Lord. Must have been a long sermon. But they knew he was Christ and had risen when he had broken the Bread to them. Now stop right their for a minute. He first gave them the “Spiritual Bread from Heaven” – then he gave them the “literal bread” from the earth. So that tells us plainly its by “revelation” of the Holy Ghost. Faith is a Revealing to our soul and mind.

NOW all the above proves that the disciples only knew him ((“Literally while He was alive”. HELLO< HELLO ))- The disciples were even arguing who was going to be the greatest among all of them. Sounds pretty carnal and Jesus was going to the Cross in a few days or so. They really did not understand it at all.
But after the 40 days of Spiritual enlightenment by Jesus Christ. Then they went to upper room 10 days later at PENTECOST. They finally were filled all the way up with the Mighty Power of the Holy Ghost and understood the Message they had to preach and teach.

Jesus had to do these things just right. In order to not cause attention to His little flock. So they would not get wiped out by the Roman Beast as well. After Pentecost all those in the upper room along with the 11 Disciples were not afraid anymore and became bold and they said let us "continue in the word." The Holy Spirit was now in them and they had power even over death. And were not afraid. And most important they were preaching the Revelation of Christ had rose again . With Power and the Word to back it up.

The last time I heard you David- you believed in the "One God", and you said as I remember that you had received the "Holy Ghost". And was really ecstatic over it. Tell me do you still believe their is only "ONE GOD" and are you still full of the "Holy Spirit". Have you let the "Holy Spirit guide you" to all truth. Or have you let satan came back and take away your revelation of then. That is exactly what happens to most people. They get cleaned up. But have no Holy ghost in them. And the result is they will receive 7 more evil spirits than before. Making that man even more a two fold child fit for hell. I'm not saying this is you. I hope it is not you.

This is a good point and the context should reveal the truth concerning what is meant in the Scripture. For example, there are some who would argue that Jesus resurrected spiritually, yet multiple Scriptures support a bodily resurrection. Even the very word translated “Anastasia” translated “Resurrection” means a physical standing up again. The problem arises when an expositor ignores the context and other Scriptures and applies a spiritual interpretation to and that because of a preconceived, prepackaged, pretaught formula of interpretation.

Tom said:
“dmcal – Brother you are so far out into left field you might never get up to hit the ball. Its impossible to read all the scriptures literally and get the symbolic meanings right. Most all of Israel could not do it and you cannot do it either. If literalism could not understand Jesus and His ministry then. What about now.”

Rebut:
It would only appear to you that I am out in left field and that because you hold to a spiritual interpretation, but in actuality, I am simply repeating and expounding on the answers that God has already provided from his word. From your response you would be inferring that we could know what the word of God is saying and therefore, we could not perform the following Scripture:

“All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.”

If what you say is true, then how could the men and women of God teach, rebuke, correct and train if in fact we could not know what the Scriptures are saying?

Tom said:
“He went to the harlot woman first to show back His love for her. For Jesus Knew that she probably loved Him more than all the others.”

Rebut:
The above is a weak shot at trying to infer that Israel is the harlot, that is, Mystery Babylon. Sorry, but Israel and Jerusalem does not fit the criteria of Mystery Babylon, for Jerusalem is not a city famous for being built on seven hills, although many try to force that characteristic on her. 2nd, Israel did not nor does she rule over the kings of the earth. While it is true that when Israel turned to foreign god’s to worship them at different stages of Israel’s history and God referred to her as a prostitute, she is not the woman in view here in Rev.17 & 18. The woman of Rev.12 is clearly identified as Israel and God is going to care for her out in the desert for that last 3 1/2 years until Christ returns to end the age. Furthermore, according to Scripture, the city of Jerusalem will be occupied all the way through to the end of the thousand year reign of Christ, where Mystery Babylon will be destroyed and no one will ever inhabit that city again.

Tom said:
“NOW all the above proves that the disciples only knew him ((“Literally while He was alive”. HELLO< HELLO ))- The disciples were even arguing who was going to be the greatest among all of them. Sounds pretty carnal and Jesus was going to the Cross in a few days or so. They really did not understand it at all."

Rebut:
You are correct Tom, the disciples did not understand a lot of things, but we do today and that because we have the full word of God, which they didn't have. I would probably have to say that we know much more than they did (excluding Paul) and that because we have information from all of the writers at our fingertips. Where Jesus spoke parables to Israel according to the prophecy, we are blessed to have the answers to those parables.

Marianne – “Sons of God” all have Celestial and Terrestrial bodies while living in this world. When we rise. The Celestial is our New Body for Eternity because “flesh and blood body is earthy” . The Flesh and blood body ain’t going no where but back to dust. You will have no retrains then because you have shed the flesh man off for good. Jesus said I and the Father are one – Jesus also said ” I came from God and I go back to God =Spirit. After you go back to God you are limitless in what you can do. Your New Celestial body is without the fallen flesh and blood system that come from the Earthly Son of God Adam who feel.

We will be as God is. Because we where always a part of Him before the Creation of the World you was in God. We can come to earth in a Body and eat just like Jesus did. Or we do not have to eat. Its a Supernatural Body. Equal with God.

The Celestial man was your real body to begin with. We were all Spirit beings with God before our beginning then took on a flesh body. Making us experiencing the same thing that the man Jesus Christ did yet He did it without sinning in the body.

Jesus Christ had to die in the flesh. To experience all of what mankind had to experience. Death of the flesh is the last enemy we will conquer. Remember this important note here. A fallen sinful flesh body – will always have to go back to dust.

Now behold a Mystery is opened below.
Yet what happened in the case of Jesus being God and Flesh both. Why did not they find the body of Jesus. This is a mystery to most all people. And still is. “”Jesus never sinned ever in HIS flesh body so therefore it could rise with Him. He came “”right out of heaven”” by the Spoken Word of God. And right into a incubator called Mary the virgin. So that is why they could not find the body of Jesus Christ and never will. As He chose to show his hands and feet to Thomas and sit and eat fish with His disciples . He also revealed himself to many believers in that day. But the worldly was not privy to that.

Please get this: – The New Creation of the Born again man or woman. Was through the “Spoken word of God” and sex desire had nothing to do with the Heavenly Word of God. Your New Creation man is a “Word Man”. The word is what created you as well. The good news is that the “Heavenly Word of God” came right to us yet while we were sinners. This is why our old sinful body will decay and go back to dust. Yet the fall does not effect our Celestial man either. We have been “translated” into the Heavenlies while here on earth by our “Spoken Word Birth” before the foundation of the world was laid. That is the real Rapture of the Bride. The Spoken Word revived us and lifted us up into a Brand New Creation. We do not even live in Time – for we have Eternity “Now” living in us as Celestial beings. Eternity has no time. Rev. 10:6 – That is your translation and rapture, and quickening, and en morphing, transformation, and all of it is in the New Birth. I feel real sorry for the “left behind bunch” that will still be waiting on Jesus to come in the clouds. God has never ever come like man thinks. He comes as a “thief in the night”. Was Abraham waiting to see The Son of God =Jesus the Prince of Salem- to come to him personally and have supper with him. Abraham called Him Lord. What a blessing to behold.

“Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six” (Rev. 13:18).

“Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation, and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain. If anyone has an ear, let him hear…” (Rev. 13:7-9).

“Many will be purged, purified and refined, but the wicked will act wickedly; and none of the wicked will understand, but those who have insight will understand” (Daniel 12:10).

“This third I will put into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on my name and I will answer them; I will say, ‘They are my people,’ and they will say, ‘The LORD is our God'” (Zachariah 13:9).

Yea Steve that is part of it. I’m writing on it now and I’m on page 11. But got company. Talk at you tomorrow Lord willing.

PS – No I’m not sending you 11 pages. I started today about 1:00 pm. and just now quit typing – I put alot of time and pages in some of these post. They are like books and then I try and wittle it down. But its hard to do. Im thinking about making this project into a little book and pass it around my town at different churchs I know. Wrote a couple few in my day believe me.
tom

REV 13:8
“All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast–all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.”
Do you remember this dmcal or are you still tying too fast?

Yes, I pretty much knew what verse you were quoting, but you completely misquoted it. Here is the first verse you quoted:

“Those written in the Book of Life who were slain when the world was created” means men who are indigenous to Earth.”

The second one that you quoted it the correct one. So, I don’t know why you quoted it incorrectly the first time. For the verse says nothing about those who were written in the book of life being killed before the world began, for it is Jesus who was slain before the world began, meaning that it was determined that Christ would die for the sins of the world before the world ever began. The Codex Sinaiticus has it as the following:

“And all that dwell upon the earth will worship him, those whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world.”

The verse is demonstrating that those who worship the beast will be those whose names were not written in the book of life before the world began. There is another verse in Rev.17:8 which pretty much conveys the same information:

“The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come.”

Just rubbish.
you said
“Jesus who was slain before the world began, meaning that it was determined that Christ would die for the sins of the world before the world ever began”
no
Christ is in us all and that is who was killed at the creation of the world. The Christ in us died at creation. It wasn’t a prophecy that Jesus would be killed sooner or later. You really don’t get this at all. It is a comment about the negative consequences of creation and matter. Good grief.

Ehh what does that mean (show up later)? … we died spiritually. Jesus came back to remind us of what happened at creation and bring us back to life. That is what the Bible is about. John 14:6 “I am the way and the truth and the life.

Steve, what you are talking about borders on Mormonism. Mankind does not exist prior to being born. You come into being at the time of birth. There is no such thing as preexistence for mankind. Jesus on the other hand, being God, existed as God before he was born in the flesh. He told the religious leaders, “Before Abraham was, I AM.” He is the “I AM” who spoke with Moses. He told the religious leaders that Abraham rejoiced to see his day and he saw it and was glad. This is in reference to when the Lord and the two angels met Abraham at his tent prior to destroying Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities. But as for mankind, we do not exist prior to being born, for Scripture does not support that idea.

I’m sorry Steve, but the Scripture is very clear on this, that it was Jesus who was slain from the foundation of the world, meaning that it was determined before man ever came into being that he would be a sacrifice for us.

“the Lamb that was slain from the foundation of the world.”

You keep saying that in your posts that “I don’t really get this at all” yet all I have been doing is proving my claims backed up with Scripture. You on the other hand are distorting Scripture. The verse has nothing to do with people being slain.

The Lamb was slain from the begining at the creation. How plain can english get? You don’t understand what it is telling you about creation. Never mind, you never will until the creation ends. Then the Lamb will return.

So … the Lamb (spirit) was slain at creation. 2000 years ago for the first time the lamb returned and Satan said “oh cr*p the Lamb has overcome the material death”. and Jesus said .. that’s right and soon it will happen over the whole world when the Lamb will return and creation will be no more.

illuminati will cut off the food supply, they will create great famine .population control. heard some prophecy regrading to china, china might fight against anti-christ until the final moment ( euphrates river dry up , a major end time sign ) china might have their own money system(not nwo system) , food supply… in the end time.
any thought ?

Point is this – Forget about simplistic 7 hills of Rome or Cincinnati or other city.

To suggest these are literal 7 hills is as inappropriate as to say they are 7 physical mountains.

7 Mountains represent 7 continents because the Beast covers the world, which resides on all 7 continents.

BTW – this reply is not really for your reading pleasure. People follow your replies and comments.

Okay, what organization resides within all 7 continents?

Is it the Vatican?

No.

The UN.

Is the UN the Beast?

No. The UN is a significant tool; instrument of the Beast.

Satan is the Prince of this world (spiritual). He covers all cultures, organizations, institutions that do not give honor and praise to Almighty God and His Son as our Messiah via demonic powers and principalities.

Next and I’ll repeat –

The rebuilt World Trade Center complex of buildings (collective height) is 6660 ft (666 x 10). The One World Tower is 1776 ft in hight, looking like 2 pyramids (up/down) with an Islamic minaret on top. Oh, maybe the One World Tower is a representation of an ancient tower.

Looks like NYC (within its own Egyptian obelisk in Central Park) is home to World Trade when you realize the worldwide scope of Mystery Babylon, advancing liberty to sin, drinking and living for the belly, and aspiring happiness via financial success.

Next and I’ll repeat –

The largest pagan symbol to the Beast (666) is the GW Monument (pagan, Egyptian obelisk): 555 ft (6660″) in hight and 55 ft (666″) by 55 ft (666″) at the base.

The Beast (666) is not a nation or a family or a religion but a construct. The Masons are significant players.

The Beast is international in scope with significant power (economic, institutional, political, military, culture/media and religion) to move Satan’s global agenda and strategic plan – aka The Beast.

Finally –

I respectfully suggest investigating the Great Seal of the US more closely. It was designed by Ben (33 degree Mason) with a Latin phrase identifying the birthing of a NWO (1776) on a graphic representation of the Great Pyramid.

The Great Pyramid (represented on the Great Seal of the US) is 5776 inches in hight with capstone in place.

Ben provided a calendar – if you know the Kabbala, Hebrew calendar and who represents the “all seeing eye” floating in the capstone on the Great Seal of the US.

Building of the NWO began in 1776, which is placed on the 1st of 13 steps on the pyramid of the Great Seal of the US.

We read in the Kabbala that the number of years before the 7th millennium is 240 years.

1776 (birth of a NWO, “The Year of Light”) + 240 years (Kabbala reference) = 2016 (Hebrew year 5776, matching the hight of the Great Pyramid).

The NWO (Satan’s realm) becomes fully operational when the capstone (“all seeing eye”) is applied to top of the symbolic pyramid of the Great Seal of the US.

The “son of perdition” (guess who and you know him as Bozo) will be seated as the ruler of their NWO soon after the very unique cycle of blood moons and a sackcloth sun ends (Feast of Tabernacles, 2015), which begins the Hebrew year 5776.

You know Barry’s wife is a man in woman’s cloths. You’ve realizes he is guy and the leader of the most powerful nation on earth. You do seem to seem to know but call him Bozo. So cute, giving a dis-alarming name.

The Hebrew civil calendar year 5776 (Gregorian, 2016) begins in September 2015 (Gregorian).

This year (2015) just happens to be the end of the Blood cycle.

The sackcloth sun is over Rome (seat of the False Church) and Jerusalem on March 20, 2015.

FYI – A nuke will be applied to NYC in the near future by the same clan that implemented 9/11. The Harbinger crowd (Masonic clan) know and expect 2015 to hold a traumatic, devastating event. I think this event users in the NWO. Just an educated guess.

illuminati will cut off the food supply, they will create great famine .population control. heard some prophecy regrading to china, china might fight against anti-christ until the final moment ( euphrates river dry up , a major end time sign ) china might have their own money system(not nwo system) , food supply… in the end time.
any thought ?

I agree that china will oppose the AC. the AC is described by some as charming, but daniel gives a different picture….the AC fights with everyone

…the king of north and south oppose him, and also the kings of the east…he is very unpopular…..china has its own gold and currency, it is not afraid of USA or any other country…it will attack and control what it conquers.

the illuminati is intentionally destroying the food supply now, to create a soon to be shortage.

In order to answer your question, we must look for that answers within the context of that Scripture:

“When the Lamb opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come!” I looked, and there before me was a black horse! Its rider was holding a pair of scales in his hand. Then I heard what sounded like a voice among the four living creatures, saying, “Two pounds of wheat for a day’s wages, and six pounds of barley for a day’s wages, and do not damage the oil and the wine!”

First, it is obvious that this 3rd seal rider represents literal famine. Notice that the rider is holding a pair of scales. This would denote the need to accurately weigh food products in times of scarcity, which is what the reference to two pounds of wheat for a day’s wages and six pounds of barley for a day’s wages is demonstrating, that is, a lot of money for very little food. Notice also the following statement

“and do not damage the oil and the wine!”

That the above verse immediately follows the reference to the scarcity of the wheat and barley, this would infer that those crops will some how be damaged, which is the cause of the food shortage and therefore, famine. So, in regards to the illuminati, Scripture states that those food groups will suffer some type of damage during those days and thereby causing a food shortage and therefore, famine.

The 4th seal seems to be a culmination of the 2nd and 3rd seals being war/civil unrest and famine/disease, that is, the 4th seal is the results of the previous seals, which kill a fourth of the earth’s immediate population. And since Jesus is the One opening the seals, they are also a part of God’s wrath.

The oil and the wine would represent where they come from, olives and grapes. Since the Scripture is mentioning literal barley and wheat, I would believe that the olives and grapes are also literal. I have heard of other interpretations, but until God reveals what it represents, I will just keep it in my spiritual cupboard, which is what I do with anything that God hasn’t revealed to me.

Regarding the above, I don’t do videos, but I study and ask God to give me understanding to what he has not yet revealed to me, otherwise, I would just be adopting as Scripture what others are teaching.

Since the Scripture only says, “And do not damage the wine and the oil” within the context, we would be hardpressed to come to any concrete interpretation based just on those few words. What we do know is that, since Barley and Wheat are mentioned literally, it would follow that the oil (olives) and wine (grapes) are being spoken of literally as well. For it would be in keeping with Scripture to refer to the first two as literal and the other two symbolically. The other thing to remember is that these seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will affect the entire world and not just any one given place.

If you don’t watch video presentations from a subject expert how do you expect to learn?

The video is from a subject expert – geometry and archetecture.

These two subjects are critical in the understanding of sacred geometry and the applied archetecture of The Beast, which are built into the obelisk, pyramid, modern buildings, city streets (Washington DC, Paris, and the Vatican), and arches and monuments around the world.

Do you read any books written by subject experts? Or, are you the expert?

Do you have a college degree?

How did you earn a college degree without reading books written by subject experts?

Today, professor include video presentations in their lectures, supplementing books and articles.

Forget the college question and earning a degree – maybe you attended ASU or USC, which to say you received a college degree. 🙂

I’m not a prophet – never said I had the gift of prophecy. Nice try.

I know a couple of Christians who have the gift of prophecy.

Do you personally know anyone with any gift of the Spirit?

“But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills” (1st Corinthians 12, NKJV).

I’ve been graciously given the gift of discerning spirits, which leads to expelling demons and matters of spiritual warfare, and another gift of the Spirit, thank you Lord.

While I’ve receive healing (sight and another healing that is less obvious), to date I’ve not ministered physical or mental healing to anyone.

Do you know anyone that has experienced deliverance, ministered deliverance and helped/teach other Beleivers do the same?

Yes, please do investigate St. Peter’s Basilica with its Egyptian obelisk and sundial.

Also do the same investigation on London, Paris, NYC and the GW Monument and Washington DC. Unless, you’re a Freemason and know this already.

Investigation may require watching a video presemtation from a non-Christian who is a subject expert.

You said:
“If you don’t watch video presentations from a subject expert how do you expect to learn?”

Rebut:
Because Videos and websites are not the word of God, but the teachings of men. My source of information comes directly from the word of God and all of the related tools at my desposal, not myths, fairytales or heresay. In short, I don’t let other men tell me what the word of God is saying, but study it for myself. This is why I can recognize false teachers and false teachings regarding any given subject pertaining to Scripture and there is a lot of it out there.

You said:
“These two subjects are critical in the understanding of sacred geometry and the applied archetecture of The Beast, which are built into the obelisk, pyramid, modern buildings, city streets (Washington DC, Paris, and the Vatican), and arches and monuments around the world.”

Rebut:
As I stated in an earlier post, Scripture demonstrates that the beast is identified as a kingdom and as a king. I have already provided the Scriptures in proof of that. Therefore, those calculations regarding the beast and obelisks are of no concern to me. Scripture does not make any reference to the beast in reference to obelisks or buildings. My concern is what Scripture has to say about any given subject, not about what it doesn’t say.

You said:
“Do you read any books written by subject experts? Or, are you the expert?”

I read books that provided information, such as history on any given subject, such as the succession of popes and the history of Roman Catholicism, who the real first pope was, their involvement with the inquisitions, etc. I have read many books written on the subject of Revelation and that just to see if the author is in agreement with what Scripture says. The problem that we have today is that, expositors go out to websites or read book and then apply those teachings and call them the word of God. Last year sometime, there was what you would call an expert, with a doctorate, who was an archaeologist and who was escavating below the temple mount. He reported that he had found Jesus family tomb including Jesus remains and thereby said, “now we know that the type of resurrection that Christ spoke of and which also the first certury church believed is a spiritual resurrection opposed to a bodily resurrection.” Are those the kinds of experts you are speaking of? Needless to say, by claiming that the resurreciton of Christ was spiritual and not bodily, he has denied the Lord who bought him.

You said:
“Do you have a college degree?

How did you earn a college degree without reading books written by subject experts?”

Is a college degree a requirement for being a Christian, having the Holy Spiriit and understanding the truth of God’s word? I trust in Scripture, not in men.

You said:
“The Day of The Lord begins after the last Blood Moon, occurring on Feast of Tabernacles, 2015 and the sackcloth sun (Hebrew calendar – Tishri, 5776).

Rebut:
See, this is what I am talking about. Your reference to the “Blood Moon” I am assuming is related to the 6th seal, where the sun will be darkened like sacloth and moon will be turned blood red and the stars in heaven will fall to the earth. These events described in the 6th seal are not going to be your common eclipses, but something unprecedented. As I stated before, the context doesn’t even tell us how long this darkness of the sun and the moon being blood red will last. Furthermore, these events of the 6th seal all happen in close proximatey and they must all be present when the sixth seal begins. That means, sun darkened, moon turned blood red, stars (asteroids, meteorites, etc.) falling to the earth, a great earthquake, heaven rolling back like a scroll allowing the inhabitants of the earth to see God sitting on his throne, for fear of God,the inhabitants call to the mountains and rocks to fall on them and hide them from his face.

All of these things must be present and in close proximately of each other in order to claim that this is the 6th seal, not some random blood moon eclipse, which will pass and lead to nothing prophetic.

According to Scripture, the Day of the Lord begins with the appearing of the Lord where the dead and living will be gathered to him in the air, which is then followed by the antichrist being revealed and God’s wrath via the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments taking place.

If you see the 3rd seal as regional and economic – then there is evidence the 3rd seal opened after the 2nd seal (Arab Spring). Barry’s riding out, crown (Nobel prize) for pease and secret peace-plan meeting (all inclusive from 2008-2010) was the 1st seal.

If ya don’t see seals 1-3 that way, then ya keep searching for the 1st, 2nd and 3rd seals and a sign, missing the Blood Moon cycle and the solar eclipse (sackcloth sun) on March 20, 2015, and the sign in the heaven on Feast of Tabernacles, 2011.

Now back of the sprinkles, which could represent “showers of blessings”.

The 3rd seal, just as with all the other seals and the trumpets and bowl judgments affect the entire earth and not just Israel. The Scripture is clear in that, it is the shortage of the basic food grains that cause the famine.

“If ya don’t see seals 1-3 that way, then ya keep searching for the 1st, 2nd and 3rd seals and a sign, missing the Blood Moon cycle and the solar eclipse (sackcloth sun) on March 20, 2015”

And when the above does not bring about the 6th seal, then what will that make you, A false prophet? For if you are going to proclaim the darkening of the sun and the moon turning blood red, then we must also see the rest of the 6th seal which is the stars falling from heaven to the earth and the heaven rolling up like a scroll and the kings, the generals, the princes, and all people hiding in the caves and calling to the mountains to fall on them to hide them from the face of him who sits on the throne. These things all happen in close proximately one another.

The event of the 6th seal is not going to be your typical eclipse, but will be an unprecedented event that will be caused directly by God. Furthermore, Scripture does not state how long this darkening of the sun and the moon being turned blood red lasts. There are other events that involve the sun, moon and stars as well such as the 4th trumpet, where the sun, moon and stars are darkened by a third so that the earth will only eceive two thirds of the light that it normally does for both day and night.

Since you placed such a great value on the obelisk in St. Peter’s Basilica – there is modern obelisk placed within Washington DC with strong, powerful symbolism – but you don’t seem willing to recognize it.

I don’t care to why, except to observe it an obvious oblivious issue.

One more time –

The rebuilt World Trade Center complex of buildings (collective height) is 6660 ft (666 x 10). The One World Tower is 1776 ft in hight, looking like 2 pyramids (up/down) with an Islamic minaret on top. Clue.

Looks like NYC (within its own Egyptian obelisk in Central Park) is home to World Trade when you realize the worldwide scope of Mystery Babylon (demonic selfish religion) who rides the Beast (system), advancing liberty to sin, live for the belly, and aspire to happiness via financial success.

You seem want to discuss the significance of obelisk if the discusses fits your paradigm.

Once again for anyone reading this thread –

The largest pagan symbol to the Beast (666) is the GW Monument. The monument is a pagan, Egyptian obelisk.

This obelisk is 555 ft (6660″) in hight and 55 ft (666″) by 55 ft (666″) at the base.

The Beast (666) is not one nation or one family or one religion but a construct.

The Masons (formerly Knights Templar) and Universal Church are significant players, building, advancing this 666 construct.

Construct:

“Concepts that are considered constructs by this definition include that which is designated by the symbol “3” or the word “liberty” [or “666”].

Scientific hypotheses and theories (e.g. evolutionary theory, gravitational theory), as well as classifications (e.g. in biological taxonomy) are also conceptual entities considered to be constructs.

A construct in the philosophy of science is an ideal object, where the existence of the thing may be said to depend upon a subject’s mind. This, as opposed to a real object, where existence does not seem to depend on the existence of a mind.”

You said:
“Since you placed such a great value on the obelisk in St. Peter’s Basilica – there is modern obelisk placed within Washington DC with strong, powerful symbolism – but you don’t seem willing to recognize it.”

Rebut:
Is Washington DC claiming to be the true church of Christ? That would be a no! Therefore, I am not concerned about other obelisks around the world, only the one that is sitting out in the entry way of the institution that is claiming to be the true church of Christ. My purpose for this is identify Rome and her pagan religious system as Mystery Babylon.

Furthermore, your information regarding the obelisks dimentions are all conjecture and have nothing to do with the mark of beast. The mark is the name of the beast or the number of his name and is directly linked to buying and selling.

You said:
“The Beast (666) is not one nation or one family or one religion but a construct.”

Regarding the above, Scripture would disagree, for the beast represents both a kingdom and the king who will reign over it. In regards to the beast referring to that last king, see the following:

“The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come.”

” The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction.”

So, we have the angel telling John that the beast that he saw once was, now is not and yet will come, that is, the beast once was out in the world, he is now not in the world, but is currently in the Abyss and he will come out of the Abyss at a future time. Then the angel tells John that that beast who once was, and now is not is an eighth “KING” who belongs to the other seven kings. So, please quite telling me that the beast is not a king, because I just provided Scripture proving the fact that he is a king, that is, an actual person who will rule over the earth.

Regarding the Gravatar, thank you for compliment, but unfortunately, I’m sure that DJ meant it as a jab at me. I don’t agree with alot of things that these guys are claiming, because they are flights of fancy! People go out and get their teachings from websites and books and then apply that as being the word of God, instead of Scripture being the source of truth. By all of these false teachers and teaching we are seeing the fulfillment of the following:

“For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.”

This is why I am always in disagreement with these guys and that because they erroneously apply these false teachings and they call it God’s word.

Though our focus is on our Lord and Savior, here, and maybe saying this is a bit selfish – but, before we all depart this plane / planet, it would be really cool if all of us, Marianne, Dru, Steve, Tom, James, Susan, Dmcal, John, I know I am missing a lot of names here, . . . . but I would love to sit down at a table with all of you, regardless of our differences and samenesses, and share some bread and wine with all of you.

I think that is a great idea….i have often wanted to meet people in person, rather than just internet contact. and I have fancied a heaven awaits reunion of sorts…we are all so far apart….wish there was a way to come together and meet. I think we would sit at the table and have enough ideas to debate issues til Jesus comes back!