QuoteReplyTopic: TEN Best Pix for 2010 Oscars?? Posted: June 26 2009 at 12:04pm

It's called a prediction. Duh.

Originally posted by JoBloMovieGoer

Once again, moviewizeguy is engaging in behaviors he has endlessly (and falsely) criticized other Forum members for: Only one of the titles he listed above as supposed Best Picture contenders has even been released yet (let alone completed production). He can't possibly have seen even 10% of the films he is, in essence, endorsing as 2009's very best -- Pardon me for asking, but doesn't that consitute "pre-judging movies sight unseen"?

I actually rated Star Trek a 10/10. It's an excellent film but I didn't put it on my list because I don't think the Academy will nominate it. They usually never nominate these type of movies. And by "these type," I meant popcorn movies that the majority enjoyed.

RESPONSE from Head RAZZberry: Everyone (with the possible exception of moviewizeguy) has tacitly acknowledged that the the main point of expanding this year's Best Picture Oscar race to 10 titles was to accommodate "popcorn movies" as well as the "art-house" titles which have tended to dominate the Academy Awards for at least the last decade...

Also, your retort to JoBloMovieGoer doesn't address the issue he raised -- How is your presuminmg something is "Oscar caliber" sight unseen any more defensible than Forum members predicting something is a contender for our awards, usually based on at least seeing promotional materials for the film being discussed? At least half of the films you listed earlier are not only months away from release, some of them are actually still in production -- In other words, you obviously can't have seen even a single frame of footage from any of them, yet you seem to have already formed an opinion about them...

This is why I sugguested they divide the catagory into drama and comedy. That way, the most deserving drama can win, as well as a crowd pleasing blockbuster.

I have a problem with splitting the categories because there is simply too much gray area between what is comedy and what is drama. The Best Picture award should be just that...the year's best movie regardless of category. However, AMPAS has managed to step up to the plate and come up with the most ridiculous possible solution to a problem that really didn't exist in the first place.

Nine times out of ten, in art as in life, there is no truth to be discovered, only an error to be exposed.--H.L. Menken

Everyone (with the possible exception of moviewizeguy) has tacitly acknowledged that the the main point of expanding this year's Best Picture Oscar race to 10 titles was to accommodate "popcorn movies" as well as the "art-house" titles which have tended to dominate the Academy Awards for at least the last decade...

Seeing how they did expand the nominations, I still wouldn't think Star Trek would get in. If there had been 10 noms last year, I would find it petty hard to believe Iron Man would be nominated. Even though I found Iron Man to be better than Doubt, I believe Doubt would have been nominated over Iron Man. That was my logic.

Also, your retort to JoBloMovieGoer doesn't address the issue he raised -- How is your presuminmg something is "Oscar caliber" sight unseen any more defensible than Forum members predicting something is a contender for our awards, usually based on at least seeing promotional materials for the film being discussed? At least half of the films you listed earlier are not only months away from release, some of them are actually still in production -- In other words, you obviously can't have seen even a single frame of footage from any of them, yet you seem to have already formed an opinion about them...

Oh, come on. This argument is ridiculous! Of course I may sound like a hypocrite but this is just predictions. I'm not saying the movies are good. I'm just predicting which movies would be released. I was addressing to the people who believe that there aren't going to be 10 very good movies to be nominated. I gave them 10 movies that could possibly get nominated, having them think, "Hey. Well, I may be wrong. There really might be 10 good movies this year that can be nominated."

Again, you really didn't address the issue, MWG. AMPAS is going to nominate 10 movies, but that doesn't invalidate the suggestion some of us made that they probably won't find 10 worthy movies. Since that is the topic at hand, your prediction becomes a de facto endorsement of those movies. The decision to nominate 10 movies makes the whole process more of a farce than it already is, and creates a high probability that a movie that doesn't have much support is going to win regularly. Evidently, AMPAS has more or less invalidated the legitimacy of their own preliminary nominating ballots.

In any event, there is exactly zero difference between anyone on this board predicting that a movie will be bad, and you predicting that a movie will be good.

Nine times out of ten, in art as in life, there is no truth to be discovered, only an error to be exposed.--H.L. Menken

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