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Possibly Job, Elihu, or a contemporary of Job wrote the things in Job 40:v 15-18. A peculiar thing to write about:

Job 40:15-18 NIV[15] “Look at Behemoth, which I made along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox. [16] What strength it has in its loins, what power in the muscles of its belly! [17] Its tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of its thighs are close-knit. [18] Its bones are tubes of bronze, its limbs like rods of iron.

Just thought this would make some interesting conversation... I found it interesting that the description has an uncanny resemblance to that of a dinosaur, and this was written several thousand years ago. What do you think? Do the descriptions match with any animals we know today?

Just thought this would make some interesting conversation... I found it interesting that the description has an uncanny resemblance to that of a dinosaur, and this was written several thousand years ago. What do you think? Do the descriptions match with any animals we know today?

Which dinosaur? There were thousands of different species of dinosaur, so why only that particular one?

Possibly Job, Elihu, or a contemporary of Job wrote the things in Job 40:v 15-18. A peculiar thing to write about:

Job 40:15-18 NIV[15] “Look at Behemoth, which I made along with you and which feeds on grass like an ox. [16] What strength it has in its loins, what power in the muscles of its belly! [17] Its tail sways like a cedar; the sinews of its thighs are close-knit. [18] Its bones are tubes of bronze, its limbs like rods of iron.

Just thought this would make some interesting conversation...

Indeed it does. I personally have always found it interesting that YECs will often trumpet that this passage "proves" that man existed alongside dinosaurs, but they are always very, very careful to ignore the next creature discussed in Job, immediately after the behemoth.

Job 41:12-34 NIV

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12 “I will not fail to speak of Leviathan’s limbs, its strength and its graceful form.13 Who can strip off its outer coat? Who can penetrate its double coat of armor?14 Who dares open the doors of its mouth, ringed about with fearsome teeth?15 Its back has[c] rows of shields tightly sealed together;16 each is so close to the next that no air can pass between.17 They are joined fast to one another; they cling together and cannot be parted.18 Its snorting throws out flashes of light; its eyes are like the rays of dawn.19 Flames stream from its mouth; sparks of fire shoot out.20 Smoke pours from its nostrils as from a boiling pot over burning reeds.21 Its breath sets coals ablaze, and flames dart from its mouth.22 Strength resides in its neck; dismay goes before it.23 The folds of its flesh are tightly joined; they are firm and immovable.24 Its chest is hard as rock, hard as a lower millstone.25 When it rises up, the mighty are terrified; they retreat before its thrashing.26 The sword that reaches it has no effect, nor does the spear or the dart or the javelin.27 Iron it treats like straw and bronze like rotten wood.28 Arrows do not make it flee; slingstones are like chaff to it.29 A club seems to it but a piece of straw; it laughs at the rattling of the lance.30 Its undersides are jagged potsherds, leaving a trail in the mud like a threshing sledge.31 It makes the depths churn like a boiling caldron and stirs up the sea like a pot of ointment.32 It leaves a glistening wake behind it; one would think the deep had white hair.33 Nothing on earth is its equal— a creature without fear.34 It looks down on all that are haughty; it is king over all that are proud.”

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If apologists are to insist that the first creature discussed is referencing an actual historical beast, then they would also seem obliged to say the same thing about the second creature, and yet they never seem to do so. Can't imagine why not. *cough*

I considered those three, but then the description of the tail being like a cedar tree doesn't make sense for those three animals.

I'm not out to prove anything, it just seems interesting, as well as the part of the scripture mentioning a leviathan. It's just a possibility that dinosaurs and animals we have today existed in parallel.

I considered those three, but then the description of the tail being like a cedar tree doesn't make sense for those three animals.

I'm not out to prove anything, it just seems interesting, as well as the part of the scripture mentioning a leviathan. It's just a possibility that dinosaurs and animals we have today existed in parallel.

Parallell universes perhaps. On this earth in this universe not so much. How about addressing Pianodwarfs post.

I think you've watched one too many episodes of the Flintstones. The last dinosaurs died out like, 100 million years ago, or something like that, long before the animals we have today. But, you're not arguing that dinosaurs and animals today lived together, you are saying that dinosaurs and humans have lived together which is far from the truth.

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I considered those three, but then the description of the tail being like a cedar tree doesn't make sense for those three animals.

I'm not out to prove anything, it just seems interesting, as well as the part of the scripture mentioning a leviathan. It's just a possibility that dinosaurs and animals we have today existed in parallel.

Parallell universes perhaps. On this earth in this universe not so much. How about addressing Pianodwarfs post.

You're right, it's worth looking at. It seems like the description of a dragon, which seems really quite strange, in contrast to the behemoth, which there are some creatures that could fit the criteria.

But the dragon like description is very interesting. We've found no fossil like it, and so it's very mysterious, this contrast between a seemingly mythical dragon and a a behemoth with a familiar description.

However, they describe the behemoths behaviour as well, as dwelling in the river, and grazing on the land like an ox. Perhaps they observed this for themselves.

I think you've watched one too many episodes of the Flintstones. The last dinosaurs died out like, 100 million years ago, or something like that, long before the animals we have today. But, you're not arguing that dinosaurs and animals today lived together, you are saying that dinosaurs and humans have lived together which is far from the truth.

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The thing is, can we be sure of that? Because there's also the entirely different topic of the age of the earth. I'd encourage all of us to look up the young earth theory as well as conventional theories of the planets age. It might be an eye opener into what creation scientists think of the geology of the earth, as well as their viewpoint on wildlife and nature

The thing is, can we be sure of that? Because there's also the entirely different topic of the age of the earth. I'd encourage all of us to look up the young earth theory as well as conventional theories of the planets age. It might be an eye opener into what creation scientists think of the geology of the earth, as well as their viewpoint on wildlife and nature

Ugh, no thank you! While it's a different topic there is no evidence to support a "young earth theory".

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The thing is, can we be sure of that? Because there's also the entirely different topic of the age of the earth. I'd encourage all of us to look up the young earth theory as well as conventional theories of the planets age. It might be an eye opener into what creation scientists think of the geology of the earth, as well as their viewpoint on wildlife and nature

Ugh, no thank you! While it's a different topic there is no evidence to support a "young earth theory".

How about the discovery at the time of the aftermath of the eruption of Mount St. Helens that, contrary to previous ideas about how fine layers of sediment were made, and in what length of time they were formed, showed that within even an hour, distinguishable layers of sediment were made by 8 meters of ash.

It just illustrates that some geological processes can take much less time than we think, and therefore, it becomes less certain of how long these things take, and therefore, the age of the earth is more uncertain.

May I ask, before we go any further, what kind of evidence you would need to adjust your worldview to that of an ancient earth? Because if you refuse to accept evidence, or don't have the ability or wherewithall to alter your worldview, there's not much point to conversing with you.

May I ask, before we go any further, what kind of evidence you would need to adjust your worldview to that of an ancient earth? Because if you refuse to accept evidence, or don't have the ability or wherewithall to alter your worldview, there's not much point to conversing with you.

Hi, i see what you mean, and I reckon to change my ideas, I would have to find out firstly the degree of accuracy of dating methods ( apart from carbon dating, which is pretty accurate to a few thousand years)

There is a ton of stuff about the good points and the bad points of using dating methods, because the accuracy of these are always under scrutiny, because of the questioning of the original ratio of the parent to daughter isotope ratio in lava, the discussion of whether radioactive decay has always been constant throughout time, that sort of thing.

Sorry I went on so much, but that is probably how I would reconsider my world view

I considered those three, but then the description of the tail being like a cedar tree doesn't make sense for those three animals.

Why not? It says that it "sways like a cedar", not that it was as big or as strong as a cedar.

But from the context, it seems much more likely that Behemoth is just plain mythical.

When it says sway like a cedar, I thought it represented a heavy, slow movement of a large tree swaying in the wind, not the somewhat small tails other creatures have to swat insects(And for the hippo's kinda nasty habit of propelling its poo everywhere...)