From gboswell at accd.edu Mon Nov 1 08:37:27 2004
From: gboswell at accd.edu (Glenn F. Boswell)
Date: Mon Nov 1 08:20:27 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] HAM list
Message-ID: <41864A27.6000601@accd.edu>
Jeremy, I'm a little late on this but count me in. I've only had my
license since May so I'm a real novice,but I'm real interested in the
open source movement in the Ham community.
Boz
--
Glenn Boswell "Boz" gboswell@accd.edu
San Antonio College Dept. CIS (210)-733-2866
Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
A free alternative to MS Office: http://www.openoffice.org/
(do not take personal just my point of view)
"We make a living by what we Get.
We make a LIFE by what we GIVE." anonymous
From storey at clamp.ws Mon Nov 1 08:52:07 2004
From: storey at clamp.ws (Storey Clamp)
Date: Mon Nov 1 08:39:31 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] HAM list
In-Reply-To: <41864A27.6000601@accd.edu>
References: <41864A27.6000601@accd.edu>
Message-ID: <41864D97.1000807@clamp.ws>
Jeremy, Please add me to the list.
Thanks, Storey Clamp, ex-W5NFJ, ex-J9ACJ, ex-KR6AU
From jhutchins at integralsecurity.com Mon Nov 1 09:06:36 2004
From: jhutchins at integralsecurity.com (Jonathan Hutchins)
Date: Mon Nov 1 08:53:33 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] can a modern IDE CD-ROM ruin an old IDE controller?
References: <20041031155010.70910.qmail@web53901.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00aa01c4c024$64972840$c302a8c0@hot.rr.com>
If both the cdrom and the hard drive were both set as master then the
firmware and/or data on the hard drive may have gotten corrupted. It might
help to update the firmware on your hard drive. (You want to make sure that
the power does not go out during the update.)
A low level format using dd or debug should take care of any bad data on the
hard drive. Please not that this will erase the hard drive.
The cable select uses regular ide cables. It is possible to have both
drives set as cable select. Basically the drives are determined by where
they are located on the cable.
There is a possibility that the cables may be bad. At least, they are the
least expensive part to replace.
Thanks,
Jonathan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Travis"
To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List"
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2004 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] can a modern IDE CD-ROM ruin an old IDE controller?
> Well, I did have master set on the CD-ROM and it was
> the only drive on the chain. I then put it on the
> secondary controller on another mobo, and the IDE
> drive which was master on the primary started acting
> weird! Now I've removed it and the drive is still
> acting strange. Note that the cable has been
> following the drive around; are the cable-select
> cables incompatible with the regular IDE cables?
>
> I've lost track of exactly what was in what computer.
>
> I started with CD-ROM in Dell Dimension. Worked fine.
>
> Then think I had both the IDE HDD and CD-ROM on the
> same cable in computer A, and it was acting weird, so
> I removed IDE HDD, still acting weird.
>
> Then I put both IDE HDD and CD-ROM in computer B, but
> on different channels. Both acting strange. Remove
> CD-ROM and the IDE HDD doesn't work.
>
> What do you think? Should I put the CD-ROM back in
> the Dell and never move it again? Or is the drive
> fuxored? I guess I could put the drive in computer C
> and test it out... or is the IDE HDD the
> cyberterrorist?
>
> So far the BIOSes haven't been the kind that probe the
> drive. They have had "AUTO" settings and it probes
> the drive during the POST or early boot sequence. The
> strings they probe with are really weird,
> unrecognizable. The CD-ROM probed in machine A but
> not B.
>
> I guess I'll buy a IDE controller on Ebay. They're
> getting hard to find... BTW, I hate broken hardware,
> ESPECIALLY on the mobo! I can't ditch the mobo
> because it has a special SCSI card that only works
> with the mobo (BIOS is on the mobo). This sucks.
>
>
>
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From kd5lsx at earthlink.net Mon Nov 1 10:51:08 2004
From: kd5lsx at earthlink.net (Joshua Davis)
Date: Mon Nov 1 10:33:56 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] HAM list
In-Reply-To: <41864D97.1000807@clamp.ws>
Message-ID:
Might as well put me in there too.
Joshua/KD5LSX
-----Original Message-----
From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org]On
Behalf Of Storey Clamp
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2004 8:52 AM
To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] HAM list
Jeremy, Please add me to the list.
Thanks, Storey Clamp, ex-W5NFJ, ex-J9ACJ, ex-KR6AU
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From agrayfox at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 10:56:29 2004
From: agrayfox at gmail.com (augie)
Date: Mon Nov 1 11:39:20 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] can a modern IDE CD-ROM ruin an old IDE controller?
In-Reply-To: <20041030235329.54745.qmail@web53905.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041030235329.54745.qmail@web53905.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1331203c041101095672c4c047@mail.gmail.com>
On Sat, 30 Oct 2004 16:53:29 -0700 (PDT), Travis wrote:
> Hey I pulled a CD-ROM out of a newer Dell and put it
> in another machine, and now the drives attached to
> that controller are reporting very strange probe
> strings. This has happened in two machines; I think I
> may have ruined the IDE controllers on two seperate
> motherboards thanks to this. These are 586-class
> motherboards by the way.
>
This is a wild guess!
Could it be one of the new CD-ROMs that has built in DRM and what
you're seeing is the queries that it is trying to send to your HD so
that it can report its activity to the vendor? I remember reading
about new hardware that would do this automagically, but that vendors
were supposed to give us an option to buy with or without this
feature.
Have you checked your network output to see if it's communicating with
or trying to contact the vendor?
HTH
Augie Grayfox
From scarolan at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 13:38:41 2004
From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan)
Date: Mon Nov 1 13:21:44 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] More IMAP Questions
In-Reply-To: <277020fc041031123479475459@mail.gmail.com>
References: <277020fc041030143752de9ff0@mail.gmail.com>
<277020fc041031123479475459@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <277020fc0411011138291be029@mail.gmail.com>
Hi Gang:
Maybe one of you can help me with some questions about IMAP. I have
set up an A name record for our domain to point to
linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com. I'm using 'linuxbox' because I don't
want to publish our FQDN on the public internet. I changed the
hostname of our linux server to match this and it it resolving
properly.
I have successfully set up the dovecot IMAP daemon and it works fine
with Evolution. It's using /var/spool/mail/username for INBOX and
/home/username/mail to store the mail folders. I can create new
folders and copy emails across from the local folders just fine.
What I'm wondering is this - how do I switch from using Yahoo's POP
mail server to using our own local server for receiving emails? In
other words, I can point an MX record at our server here but want to
be sure the local server is configured properly to receive the emails
before I do that. Here are a couple of things I need to consider:
* Email addresses are currently firstname@medicalresourceusa.com -
however our local usernames on the linux box are first initial, last
name, like this: scarolan. How do I tell dovecot that mail for
sean@medicalresourceusa.com is destined for username scarolan? Can I
just set up an alias so mail for sean@ goes to
scarolan@medicalresourceusa.com?
* Since our hostname is linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com will it cause
problems for mail being sent or received? I don't want the hostname
showing up in the email address. Also we want to make sure we are
compliant with reverse DNS lookups.
Any input is most welcome.
Sean
From scarolan at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 13:59:48 2004
From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan)
Date: Mon Nov 1 13:42:42 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Re: More IMAP Questions
In-Reply-To: <277020fc0411011138291be029@mail.gmail.com>
References: <277020fc041030143752de9ff0@mail.gmail.com>
<277020fc041031123479475459@mail.gmail.com>
<277020fc0411011138291be029@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <277020fc0411011159627c2107@mail.gmail.com>
Ok, here's a little more information that might be helpful:
Sendmail is our MTA and I have this set up in the virtusertable file:
sean@medicalresourceusa.com scarolan
Am I to understand that when the MTA receives email addressed for
sean@medicalresourceusa.com it will drop it into
/var/spool/mail/scarolan? At this point my IMAP server can access it
and allow me to manipulate it as I wish right?
From scs at worldlinkisp.com Mon Nov 1 14:12:33 2004
From: scs at worldlinkisp.com (Louis Warnholtz)
Date: Mon Nov 1 13:55:17 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Excel Query
Message-ID: <200411011412330750.0099A97D@mail.worldlinkisp.com>
Please respond off list to scs @ worldlinkisp dot com, if anyone can help.
Does anyone know where I can get (as in buy) an older copy of uSoft Excel ?
Am trying to help a gal get her feet on the ground and prepared to take an Excel course, and sharpen her marketable skills.
Need a older copy that will run on Win98SE, to use for tutorial practice session(s).
I've never used Excel, tried using Open Office, but it doesn't do the header and cell things that
her library four session intro course demonstrated and wanted them to learn.
Sorry about a uSoft question.
Thanks.
Lou Warnholtz
From sigemund at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 14:21:27 2004
From: sigemund at gmail.com (Mark)
Date: Mon Nov 1 14:04:22 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Reverse DNS and Email Filters
Message-ID:
This is not exactly a "LINUX" topic per se, but it's a
networking/internet/email topic.
Where I work, I set up a spam filter a while back. Around July. It's
a product called GWGuardian. Anyhow, it uses reverse DNS as its first
line of spam defense. Email from any server with an incorrect or
missing rDNS entry is rejected immediately. We've been living with it
for a while now like this, and for this time, a small portion of
legitimate email gets rejected because of bad rDNS. What usually
happens is that people have the problem of not getting an email coming
in for a while, and so the sender calls and blah blah blah, eventually
I find out about it, have to diagnose the problem (which is 95% rDNS),
talk to someone in network admin of the sender's company, explain to
them the problem and get them to fix their problem. I can whitelist
the ip of their mail server until they get the rDNS setup properly.
About a week ago, the guy I work with emailed the whole faculty (I
work at a school) and told them to send him whatever email addresses
weren't getting in. He didn't understand what the problem was and
thought it was a DNS problem on our end ("we'll get this problem fixed
once and for all", but if it's not our problem, how the f can I fix it
"once and for all"!?). . So now I've got a stack of emails with a
bunch of domains that aren't getting to us, and all but one are rDNS
problems.
What do I do? Do I turn off the reverse DNS filtering, even though
it's kind of the "first line of defense" against spam, just so I can
eliminate this problem, and save myself the trouble of talking to the
admins of all of these companies and having to worry about this in
future? Do I just whitelist the ips of all of these domains' MX
records and leave rDNS filtering on? Or do I just up and do the dirty
work, and go one at a time through this stack, tracking down whomever
I need to talk to and help them get themselves fixed up? Getting it
fixed is better for everyone, including the "health of the internet"
because rDNS stuff should be properly set. But it's SO MUCH WORK not
only convincing someone that the problem is on their end, but also
getting them to do anything about it. I'm kind of irate about it
because we had the same problem earlier in the year, with email being
rejected. Turns out the guy I work with (he's often at fault) hadn't
properly setup the rDNS after he said he had, and so we had email
bounce back. No one told ME what the problem was, I had to figure the
bloody thing out for myself. And now people are treating emails that
are rejected for this as a problem with our systems, and I have to do
the work for them too. It just really gets me steamed . . .
advice??
Mark
From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 14:33:56 2004
From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann)
Date: Mon Nov 1 14:16:47 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Reverse DNS and Email Filters
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <79ec289f041101123358601388@mail.gmail.com>
Question, is there a delay problem when contacting thru the DNS? I say
this because maybe what is happening is the MX record is not accepting
your DNS requests. I know for a fact that most MX's will only allow a
certain number of requests before they blacklist you. Try decreasing
the timeout period of your rDNS setup.
On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:21:27 -0600, Mark wrote:
> This is not exactly a "LINUX" topic per se, but it's a
> networking/internet/email topic.
>
> Where I work, I set up a spam filter a while back. Around July. It's
> a product called GWGuardian. Anyhow, it uses reverse DNS as its first
> line of spam defense. Email from any server with an incorrect or
> missing rDNS entry is rejected immediately. We've been living with it
> for a while now like this, and for this time, a small portion of
> legitimate email gets rejected because of bad rDNS. What usually
> happens is that people have the problem of not getting an email coming
> in for a while, and so the sender calls and blah blah blah, eventually
> I find out about it, have to diagnose the problem (which is 95% rDNS),
> talk to someone in network admin of the sender's company, explain to
> them the problem and get them to fix their problem. I can whitelist
> the ip of their mail server until they get the rDNS setup properly.
>
> About a week ago, the guy I work with emailed the whole faculty (I
> work at a school) and told them to send him whatever email addresses
> weren't getting in. He didn't understand what the problem was and
> thought it was a DNS problem on our end ("we'll get this problem fixed
> once and for all", but if it's not our problem, how the f can I fix it
> "once and for all"!?). . So now I've got a stack of emails with a
> bunch of domains that aren't getting to us, and all but one are rDNS
> problems.
>
> What do I do? Do I turn off the reverse DNS filtering, even though
> it's kind of the "first line of defense" against spam, just so I can
> eliminate this problem, and save myself the trouble of talking to the
> admins of all of these companies and having to worry about this in
> future? Do I just whitelist the ips of all of these domains' MX
> records and leave rDNS filtering on? Or do I just up and do the dirty
> work, and go one at a time through this stack, tracking down whomever
> I need to talk to and help them get themselves fixed up? Getting it
> fixed is better for everyone, including the "health of the internet"
> because rDNS stuff should be properly set. But it's SO MUCH WORK not
> only convincing someone that the problem is on their end, but also
> getting them to do anything about it. I'm kind of irate about it
> because we had the same problem earlier in the year, with email being
> rejected. Turns out the guy I work with (he's often at fault) hadn't
> properly setup the rDNS after he said he had, and so we had email
> bounce back. No one told ME what the problem was, I had to figure the
> bloody thing out for myself. And now people are treating emails that
> are rejected for this as a problem with our systems, and I have to do
> the work for them too. It just really gets me steamed . . .
>
> advice??
>
> Mark
> _______________________________________________
> Satlug mailing list
> Satlug@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>
--
Jeremy
From jeremymann at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 14:38:30 2004
From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann)
Date: Mon Nov 1 14:21:27 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Re: More IMAP Questions
In-Reply-To: <277020fc0411011159627c2107@mail.gmail.com>
References: <277020fc041030143752de9ff0@mail.gmail.com>
<277020fc041031123479475459@mail.gmail.com>
<277020fc0411011138291be029@mail.gmail.com>
<277020fc0411011159627c2107@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79ec289f04110112386f5589e0@mail.gmail.com>
Sean, you can do it with either VUsers are with a simple aliases file.
I find the simpliest approach is with the aliases file.
On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 13:59:48 -0600, Sean Carolan wrote:
> Ok, here's a little more information that might be helpful:
>
> Sendmail is our MTA and I have this set up in the virtusertable file:
>
> sean@medicalresourceusa.com scarolan
>
> Am I to understand that when the MTA receives email addressed for
> sean@medicalresourceusa.com it will drop it into
> /var/spool/mail/scarolan? At this point my IMAP server can access it
> and allow me to manipulate it as I wish right?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Satlug mailing list
> Satlug@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>
--
Jeremy
From sigemund at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 14:39:45 2004
From: sigemund at gmail.com (Mark)
Date: Mon Nov 1 14:22:39 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Reverse DNS and Email Filters
In-Reply-To: <79ec289f041101123358601388@mail.gmail.com>
References:
<79ec289f041101123358601388@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
Oh yeah, I increased the delay a while back, but all of these are ones
that I've verified don't have reverse DNS set up through
http://www.dnsstuff.com, which is a totally awesome site. You can do
all the same stuff with linux using dig and such, but it's so nice to
have it easier to use :)
On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:33:56 -0600, Jeremy Mann wrote:
> Question, is there a delay problem when contacting thru the DNS? I say
> this because maybe what is happening is the MX record is not accepting
> your DNS requests. I know for a fact that most MX's will only allow a
> certain number of requests before they blacklist you. Try decreasing
> the timeout period of your rDNS setup.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 14:21:27 -0600, Mark wrote:
> > This is not exactly a "LINUX" topic per se, but it's a
> > networking/internet/email topic.
> >
> > Where I work, I set up a spam filter a while back. Around July. It's
> > a product called GWGuardian. Anyhow, it uses reverse DNS as its first
> > line of spam defense. Email from any server with an incorrect or
> > missing rDNS entry is rejected immediately. We've been living with it
> > for a while now like this, and for this time, a small portion of
> > legitimate email gets rejected because of bad rDNS. What usually
> > happens is that people have the problem of not getting an email coming
> > in for a while, and so the sender calls and blah blah blah, eventually
> > I find out about it, have to diagnose the problem (which is 95% rDNS),
> > talk to someone in network admin of the sender's company, explain to
> > them the problem and get them to fix their problem. I can whitelist
> > the ip of their mail server until they get the rDNS setup properly.
> >
> > About a week ago, the guy I work with emailed the whole faculty (I
> > work at a school) and told them to send him whatever email addresses
> > weren't getting in. He didn't understand what the problem was and
> > thought it was a DNS problem on our end ("we'll get this problem fixed
> > once and for all", but if it's not our problem, how the f can I fix it
> > "once and for all"!?). . So now I've got a stack of emails with a
> > bunch of domains that aren't getting to us, and all but one are rDNS
> > problems.
> >
> > What do I do? Do I turn off the reverse DNS filtering, even though
> > it's kind of the "first line of defense" against spam, just so I can
> > eliminate this problem, and save myself the trouble of talking to the
> > admins of all of these companies and having to worry about this in
> > future? Do I just whitelist the ips of all of these domains' MX
> > records and leave rDNS filtering on? Or do I just up and do the dirty
> > work, and go one at a time through this stack, tracking down whomever
> > I need to talk to and help them get themselves fixed up? Getting it
> > fixed is better for everyone, including the "health of the internet"
> > because rDNS stuff should be properly set. But it's SO MUCH WORK not
> > only convincing someone that the problem is on their end, but also
> > getting them to do anything about it. I'm kind of irate about it
> > because we had the same problem earlier in the year, with email being
> > rejected. Turns out the guy I work with (he's often at fault) hadn't
> > properly setup the rDNS after he said he had, and so we had email
> > bounce back. No one told ME what the problem was, I had to figure the
> > bloody thing out for myself. And now people are treating emails that
> > are rejected for this as a problem with our systems, and I have to do
> > the work for them too. It just really gets me steamed . . .
> >
> > advice??
> >
> > Mark
> > _______________________________________________
> > Satlug mailing list
> > Satlug@satlug.org
> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
> >
>
> --
> Jeremy
>
From tbeck at dragon-designs.net Mon Nov 1 16:51:22 2004
From: tbeck at dragon-designs.net (tbeck@dragon-designs.net)
Date: Mon Nov 1 15:30:14 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] More IMAP Questions
Message-ID: <200411012251.iA1MpMD25414@ns3.hwcs.net>
You can use FetchMail and aliases for the mail
Sean Carolan wrote ..
> Hi Gang:
>
> Maybe one of you can help me with some questions about IMAP. I have
> set up an A name record for our domain to point to
> linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com. I'm using 'linuxbox' because I don't
> want to publish our FQDN on the public internet. I changed the
> hostname of our linux server to match this and it it resolving
> properly.
>
> I have successfully set up the dovecot IMAP daemon and it works fine
> with Evolution. It's using /var/spool/mail/username for INBOX and
> /home/username/mail to store the mail folders. I can create new
> folders and copy emails across from the local folders just fine.
>
> What I'm wondering is this - how do I switch from using Yahoo's POP
> mail server to using our own local server for receiving emails? In
> other words, I can point an MX record at our server here but want to
> be sure the local server is configured properly to receive the emails
> before I do that. Here are a couple of things I need to consider:
>
> * Email addresses are currently firstname@medicalresourceusa.com -
> however our local usernames on the linux box are first initial, last
> name, like this: scarolan. How do I tell dovecot that mail for
> sean@medicalresourceusa.com is destined for username scarolan? Can I
> just set up an alias so mail for sean@ goes to
> scarolan@medicalresourceusa.com?
>
> * Since our hostname is linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com will it cause
> problems for mail being sent or received? I don't want the hostname
> showing up in the email address. Also we want to make sure we are
> compliant with reverse DNS lookups.
>
> Any input is most welcome.
>
> Sean
> _______________________________________________
> Satlug mailing list
> Satlug@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
From firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com Mon Nov 1 16:54:29 2004
From: firestorm-v1 at satx.rr.com (Matt)
Date: Mon Nov 1 16:22:51 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] HAM list
In-Reply-To: <41864A27.6000601@accd.edu>
References: <41864A27.6000601@accd.edu>
Message-ID: <1099349670.1900.0.camel@zeus.matrix>
I'm still here although my radio presence is a bit nonexistent.
FIRESTORM_v1 (kd5yrn)
From scarolan at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 19:37:58 2004
From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan)
Date: Mon Nov 1 19:20:54 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] More IMAP Questions
In-Reply-To: <200411012251.iA1MpMD25414@ns3.hwcs.net>
References: <200411012251.iA1MpMD25414@ns3.hwcs.net>
Message-ID: <277020fc0411011737727db1ed@mail.gmail.com>
I'm not sure I understand properly - why would I need fetchmail when
I'm trying to get *away* from using POP3 email? The server that is
hosting the IMAP daemon is the same box that my users have their
accounts on, and the same box I want to use for receiving incoming
mail. When you mention an aliases file, would this be /etc/aliases?
If so, what's the virtusertable file in the /etc/mail folder for?
Forgive me for being a rookie, I have never used imap or anything
other than simple pop3 client-server stuff before.
From dubose at texas.net Mon Nov 1 19:52:11 2004
From: dubose at texas.net (dubose@texas.net)
Date: Mon Nov 1 19:34:17 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] HAM list
Message-ID: <20041102015127.7A5AD3952B4E@mail1.aus.texas.net>
> I'm still here although my radio presence is a bit nonexistent.
>
>
> FIRESTORM_v1 (kd5yrn)
>
>
BTW, this is being sent from the San Antonio EOC this evening...the ham radio
operator cadre is having their monthly meeting...you are welcome to attend. I
am hoping to have an EOC computer group meeting down here before Thanksgiving.
73,
Walt/K5YFW
From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Mon Nov 1 21:23:16 2004
From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher)
Date: Mon Nov 1 21:06:09 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] can a modern IDE CD-ROM ruin an old IDE controller?
In-Reply-To: <1331203c041101095672c4c047@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20041030235329.54745.qmail@web53905.mail.yahoo.com>
<1331203c041101095672c4c047@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <128bff2f04110119237ae2dab2@mail.gmail.com>
I would check your cables from the sound of it you been moving drives
around alot. IDE cables can get damage when you pull the cable and not
the head.
Zeb
From wmail at wricomp.com Mon Nov 1 23:25:40 2004
From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright)
Date: Mon Nov 1 23:08:45 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] More IMAP Questions
In-Reply-To: <277020fc0411011138291be029@mail.gmail.com>
References: <277020fc041030143752de9ff0@mail.gmail.com>
<277020fc041031123479475459@mail.gmail.com>
<277020fc0411011138291be029@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
On Mon, 1 Nov 2004 13:38:41 -0600, Sean Carolan
wrote:
> ... I can point an MX record at our server here but want to
>be sure the local server is configured properly to receive the emails
>before I do that.
Test your new mail server by sending to
sean@linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com instead of your regular domain. Using
the full name of the new host means mail will go directly there instead of
to your existing Yahoo MX record. That way you can check SMTP setup before
making changes in DNS.
You should also send mail from (and through) that box to another of your
accounts to verify the headers on outgoing mail have been rewritten
correctly. --Don
From wmail at wricomp.com Tue Nov 2 00:35:38 2004
From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright)
Date: Tue Nov 2 00:18:34 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] More IMAP Questions
In-Reply-To:
References: <277020fc041030143752de9ff0@mail.gmail.com>
<277020fc041031123479475459@mail.gmail.com>
<277020fc0411011138291be029@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 23:25:40 -0600, Don Wright wrote:
>Test your new mail server by sending to
>sean@linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com instead of your regular domain. Using
>the full name of the new host means mail will go directly there instead of
>to your existing Yahoo MX record. That way you can check SMTP setup before
>making changes in DNS.
For completeness, I should add that this might fail if the Yahoo MX record
uses a wildcard to get all hosts at your domain, thusly:
*.medicalresourceusa.com. IN MX 10 somehost.yahoo.com.
In either case you can add a specific MX record to your existing entries
so mail for linuxbox actually goes to linuxbox:
linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com. IN MX 10
linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com.
(all on one line)
Whoops! Just tried looking up linuxbox and it seems that Yahoo DNS is
setup with a wildcard for the whole domain. Something like:
*.medicalresourceusa.com. CNAME premium.geo.yahoo.akadns.net.
This means you'll first need to add an A record for your new host. Of
course rDNS will need to be negotiated with your ISP, but you should be
able to start testing without that. --Don
--
Price slightly higher west of the Rockies.
From solinym at yahoo.com Tue Nov 2 08:12:45 2004
From: solinym at yahoo.com (Travis)
Date: Tue Nov 2 09:55:41 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] can a modern IDE CD-ROM ruin an old IDE controller?
In-Reply-To: <1331203c041101095672c4c047@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20041102161245.52131.qmail@web53910.mail.yahoo.com>
I have never heard of that, but it would require
either hardware support on the motherboard or from the
OS, probably the latter. I'm sure my OpenBSD boot
floppies don't have that support. :)
__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page.
www.yahoo.com
From solinym at yahoo.com Tue Nov 2 08:38:37 2004
From: solinym at yahoo.com (Travis)
Date: Tue Nov 2 10:21:27 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Reverse DNS and Email Filters
In-Reply-To: <79ec289f041101123358601388@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20041102163837.64768.qmail@web53906.mail.yahoo.com>
--- Jeremy Mann wrote:
> Question, is there a delay problem when contacting
> thru the DNS? I say
> this because maybe what is happening is the MX
> record is not accepting
> your DNS requests. I know for a fact that most MX's
> will only allow a
> certain number of requests before they blacklist
> you. Try decreasing
> the timeout period of your rDNS setup.
This doesn't make any sense.
Records don't accept queries, BIND/named does.
BIND may do throttling, but I've never heard of that.
Even if they do, it makes sense, because your named
should cache the MX record once it gets it. You
shouldn't point your resolver library at someone
else's named, which is the only reason you might not
cache requests, and if you do you deserve to get
blacklisted. Also, there's no reason for a public DNS
server to do recursive queries.
Anyway, someone's outbound SMTP server should have
proper reverse DNS. This is virtually impossible for
people on DHCP; I know, I've tried. rDNS will almost
always be broken for DHCP users; using a dynamic DNS
provider won't help, because they don't have control
of your IN-ADDR.ARPA blocks. I currently use the
"smarthost" feature to relay through my ISP's SMTP
server.
Back to the question:
BOFH answer:
They should fix their DNS. You do not have to fix
this for them. You have no obligation to accept their
email until they fix it. Make a web page describing
how to check their DNS and point all complainers to
it. Have them verify that reverse DNS is set up
properly before allowing them to submit a complaint
for you to investigate. Explain your policy and why
you do it. Put the burden back on them to prove that
rDNS is set up properly; make them include a
transcript of that verification with their request
that you look into it. You can write a script for
them if you want to make it easy. Reject any requests
which do not carry output which shows that rDNS is
working fine.
Buck-Passing answer:
Hold a referendum among your users. The spam
filtering is for them, right? So make them choose and
then you have yourself morally protected. Make them
pick their poison, and live with the consequences of
their decision.
__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page.
www.yahoo.com
From sigemund at gmail.com Tue Nov 2 10:51:21 2004
From: sigemund at gmail.com (Mark)
Date: Tue Nov 2 10:34:16 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Reverse DNS and Email Filters
In-Reply-To: <20041102163837.64768.qmail@web53906.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <79ec289f041101123358601388@mail.gmail.com>
<20041102163837.64768.qmail@web53906.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID:
Jeremy,
I'm not following the first part of your email.
Anyhow, the guy I work with discussed it with the higher ups, and they
picked what had to be the most work for me, of course. Whitelist the
IPs for the MX records that don't have any rDNS setup. Then try to
get the senders to fix their problem.
I was in favor of that too, but after further thought, I think I
should just turn the damned thing off. Because how many email is
getting bounced with no one ever following up on it? And am I going
to have to do this for a stack of emails once a week?
I like the BOFH answer though :)
Mark
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:38:37 -0800 (PST), Travis wrote:
> --- Jeremy Mann wrote:
>
>
> > Question, is there a delay problem when contacting
> > thru the DNS? I say
> > this because maybe what is happening is the MX
> > record is not accepting
> > your DNS requests. I know for a fact that most MX's
> > will only allow a
> > certain number of requests before they blacklist
> > you. Try decreasing
> > the timeout period of your rDNS setup.
>
> This doesn't make any sense.
>
> Records don't accept queries, BIND/named does.
>
> BIND may do throttling, but I've never heard of that.
>
> Even if they do, it makes sense, because your named
> should cache the MX record once it gets it. You
> shouldn't point your resolver library at someone
> else's named, which is the only reason you might not
> cache requests, and if you do you deserve to get
> blacklisted. Also, there's no reason for a public DNS
> server to do recursive queries.
>
> Anyway, someone's outbound SMTP server should have
> proper reverse DNS. This is virtually impossible for
> people on DHCP; I know, I've tried. rDNS will almost
> always be broken for DHCP users; using a dynamic DNS
> provider won't help, because they don't have control
> of your IN-ADDR.ARPA blocks. I currently use the
> "smarthost" feature to relay through my ISP's SMTP
> server.
>
> Back to the question:
>
> BOFH answer:
> They should fix their DNS. You do not have to fix
> this for them. You have no obligation to accept their
> email until they fix it. Make a web page describing
> how to check their DNS and point all complainers to
> it. Have them verify that reverse DNS is set up
> properly before allowing them to submit a complaint
> for you to investigate. Explain your policy and why
> you do it. Put the burden back on them to prove that
> rDNS is set up properly; make them include a
> transcript of that verification with their request
> that you look into it. You can write a script for
> them if you want to make it easy. Reject any requests
> which do not carry output which shows that rDNS is
> working fine.
>
> Buck-Passing answer:
> Hold a referendum among your users. The spam
> filtering is for them, right? So make them choose and
> then you have yourself morally protected. Make them
> pick their poison, and live with the consequences of
> their decision.
>
>
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page.
> www.yahoo.com
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
> Satlug mailing list
> Satlug@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>
From solinym at yahoo.com Tue Nov 2 09:05:03 2004
From: solinym at yahoo.com (Travis)
Date: Tue Nov 2 10:47:53 2004
Subject: sendmail, was Re: [SATLUG] More IMAP Questions
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <20041102170503.73092.qmail@web53910.mail.yahoo.com>
I would avoid using sendmail. It has the longest
history of security problems of any piece of userland
software, and its configuration syntax is so obscure
they have m4 macros to write it. postfix is way way
way more secure, and I can't think of a single reason
to use sendmail for a new configuration, aside from
knowing sendmail already and being intellectually
lazy.
There will be another remote-root sendmail hole, I
give you my word. The last exploit I recall was a
"data driven" exploit that could be embedded in an
email and relayed from another, secure MTA, to a
vulnerable sendmail somewhere inside your network.
Very scary - having secure MTAs at your network
boundary is not enough!
Plus, it's easier to configure for a novice and has
good documentation online:
http://www.postfix.org/
If you intend to run a publicly-accesible sendmail
server, you should subscribe to bugtraq and read any
email containing the word sendmail. If you can't do
that, subscribe to CERT's email list.
Gotta run...
__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page.
www.yahoo.com
From scarolan at gmail.com Tue Nov 2 11:36:19 2004
From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan)
Date: Tue Nov 2 11:19:13 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] More IMAP Questions
In-Reply-To:
References: <277020fc041030143752de9ff0@mail.gmail.com>
<277020fc041031123479475459@mail.gmail.com>
<277020fc0411011138291be029@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <277020fc04110209362efc79f5@mail.gmail.com>
>Test your new mail server by sending to
>sean@linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com instead of your regular domain. Using
>the full name of the new host means mail will go directly there instead of
>to your existing Yahoo MX record. That way you can check SMTP setup before
>making changes in DNS.
Ok, I have made an A record that points to
linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com but when I try to send mail to:
scarolan@linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com
It doesn't get delivered into my local mail spool. What am I doing wrong here?
From scarolan at gmail.com Tue Nov 2 11:40:03 2004
From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan)
Date: Tue Nov 2 11:22:57 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] More IMAP Questions
In-Reply-To: <277020fc04110209362efc79f5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <277020fc041030143752de9ff0@mail.gmail.com>
<277020fc041031123479475459@mail.gmail.com>
<277020fc0411011138291be029@mail.gmail.com>
<277020fc04110209362efc79f5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <277020fc0411020940efed8a2@mail.gmail.com>
I think I figured out what's going on here - I have a catch-all on our
yahoo account that dumps all misaddressed mail into my inbox. That is
where the scarolan@linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com mail is going right
now.
I am guessing that if I pointed the MX records at the same box, this
address would have worked properly, putting the email into
/var/spool/mail/scarolan - is that right?
I wish I had a way to test this without changing the MX records - it
takes 24-48 hours for the DNS to update and i want to make 100% sure
it works before switching over.
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:36:19 -0600, Sean Carolan wrote:
> >Test your new mail server by sending to
> >sean@linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com instead of your regular domain. Using
> >the full name of the new host means mail will go directly there instead of
> >to your existing Yahoo MX record. That way you can check SMTP setup before
> >making changes in DNS.
>
> Ok, I have made an A record that points to
> linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com but when I try to send mail to:
>
> scarolan@linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com
>
> It doesn't get delivered into my local mail spool. What am I doing wrong here?
>
From wmail at wricomp.com Tue Nov 2 12:13:24 2004
From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright)
Date: Tue Nov 2 11:56:17 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] More IMAP Questions
In-Reply-To: <277020fc0411020940efed8a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <277020fc041030143752de9ff0@mail.gmail.com>
<277020fc041031123479475459@mail.gmail.com>
<277020fc0411011138291be029@mail.gmail.com>
<277020fc04110209362efc79f5@mail.gmail.com>
<277020fc0411020940efed8a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77jfo0dfdto8hb2jacdpqd74f40248uskn@4ax.com>
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 11:40:03 -0600, Sean Carolan
wrote:
>I wish I had a way to test this without changing the MX records - it
>takes 24-48 hours for the DNS to update and i want to make 100% sure
>it works before switching over.
You should be able to insert a separate MX record for
linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com to handle mail for that host only. The
existing MX record for medicalresourceusa.com should handle the rest of
your traffic. --Don
From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Nov 2 12:44:15 2004
From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann)
Date: Tue Nov 2 12:27:05 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Reverse DNS and Email Filters
In-Reply-To:
References: <79ec289f041101123358601388@mail.gmail.com>
<20041102163837.64768.qmail@web53906.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <79ec289f041102104449aa8acd@mail.gmail.com>
Sorry ;) After re-reading it I didn't say it right. What it does is
query the originating mail server to determine whether it is valid or
not.
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:51:21 -0600, Mark wrote:
> Jeremy,
>
> I'm not following the first part of your email.
>
> Anyhow, the guy I work with discussed it with the higher ups, and they
> picked what had to be the most work for me, of course. Whitelist the
> IPs for the MX records that don't have any rDNS setup. Then try to
> get the senders to fix their problem.
>
> I was in favor of that too, but after further thought, I think I
> should just turn the damned thing off. Because how many email is
> getting bounced with no one ever following up on it? And am I going
> to have to do this for a stack of emails once a week?
>
> I like the BOFH answer though :)
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:38:37 -0800 (PST), Travis wrote:
> > --- Jeremy Mann wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Question, is there a delay problem when contacting
> > > thru the DNS? I say
> > > this because maybe what is happening is the MX
> > > record is not accepting
> > > your DNS requests. I know for a fact that most MX's
> > > will only allow a
> > > certain number of requests before they blacklist
> > > you. Try decreasing
> > > the timeout period of your rDNS setup.
> >
> > This doesn't make any sense.
> >
> > Records don't accept queries, BIND/named does.
> >
> > BIND may do throttling, but I've never heard of that.
> >
> > Even if they do, it makes sense, because your named
> > should cache the MX record once it gets it. You
> > shouldn't point your resolver library at someone
> > else's named, which is the only reason you might not
> > cache requests, and if you do you deserve to get
> > blacklisted. Also, there's no reason for a public DNS
> > server to do recursive queries.
> >
> > Anyway, someone's outbound SMTP server should have
> > proper reverse DNS. This is virtually impossible for
> > people on DHCP; I know, I've tried. rDNS will almost
> > always be broken for DHCP users; using a dynamic DNS
> > provider won't help, because they don't have control
> > of your IN-ADDR.ARPA blocks. I currently use the
> > "smarthost" feature to relay through my ISP's SMTP
> > server.
> >
> > Back to the question:
> >
> > BOFH answer:
> > They should fix their DNS. You do not have to fix
> > this for them. You have no obligation to accept their
> > email until they fix it. Make a web page describing
> > how to check their DNS and point all complainers to
> > it. Have them verify that reverse DNS is set up
> > properly before allowing them to submit a complaint
> > for you to investigate. Explain your policy and why
> > you do it. Put the burden back on them to prove that
> > rDNS is set up properly; make them include a
> > transcript of that verification with their request
> > that you look into it. You can write a script for
> > them if you want to make it easy. Reject any requests
> > which do not carry output which shows that rDNS is
> > working fine.
> >
> > Buck-Passing answer:
> > Hold a referendum among your users. The spam
> > filtering is for them, right? So make them choose and
> > then you have yourself morally protected. Make them
> > pick their poison, and live with the consequences of
> > their decision.
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page.
> > www.yahoo.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> > Satlug mailing list
> > Satlug@satlug.org
> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
> >
> _______________________________________________
>
>
> Satlug mailing list
> Satlug@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>
--
Jeremy
From sigemund at gmail.com Tue Nov 2 14:08:30 2004
From: sigemund at gmail.com (Mark)
Date: Tue Nov 2 13:51:20 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Reverse DNS and Email Filters
In-Reply-To: <79ec289f041102104449aa8acd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <79ec289f041101123358601388@mail.gmail.com>
<20041102163837.64768.qmail@web53906.mail.yahoo.com>
<79ec289f041102104449aa8acd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
Actually, that's my bad again, I wasn't following Travis' email, not
yours. Just realized that. And gmail makes it so easy . . . *me must
pay more attention
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 12:44:15 -0600, Jeremy Mann wrote:
> Sorry ;) After re-reading it I didn't say it right. What it does is
> query the originating mail server to determine whether it is valid or
> not.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 10:51:21 -0600, Mark wrote:
> > Jeremy,
> >
> > I'm not following the first part of your email.
> >
> > Anyhow, the guy I work with discussed it with the higher ups, and they
> > picked what had to be the most work for me, of course. Whitelist the
> > IPs for the MX records that don't have any rDNS setup. Then try to
> > get the senders to fix their problem.
> >
> > I was in favor of that too, but after further thought, I think I
> > should just turn the damned thing off. Because how many email is
> > getting bounced with no one ever following up on it? And am I going
> > to have to do this for a stack of emails once a week?
> >
> > I like the BOFH answer though :)
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 08:38:37 -0800 (PST), Travis wrote:
> > > --- Jeremy Mann wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Question, is there a delay problem when contacting
> > > > thru the DNS? I say
> > > > this because maybe what is happening is the MX
> > > > record is not accepting
> > > > your DNS requests. I know for a fact that most MX's
> > > > will only allow a
> > > > certain number of requests before they blacklist
> > > > you. Try decreasing
> > > > the timeout period of your rDNS setup.
> > >
> > > This doesn't make any sense.
> > >
> > > Records don't accept queries, BIND/named does.
> > >
> > > BIND may do throttling, but I've never heard of that.
> > >
> > > Even if they do, it makes sense, because your named
> > > should cache the MX record once it gets it. You
> > > shouldn't point your resolver library at someone
> > > else's named, which is the only reason you might not
> > > cache requests, and if you do you deserve to get
> > > blacklisted. Also, there's no reason for a public DNS
> > > server to do recursive queries.
> > >
> > > Anyway, someone's outbound SMTP server should have
> > > proper reverse DNS. This is virtually impossible for
> > > people on DHCP; I know, I've tried. rDNS will almost
> > > always be broken for DHCP users; using a dynamic DNS
> > > provider won't help, because they don't have control
> > > of your IN-ADDR.ARPA blocks. I currently use the
> > > "smarthost" feature to relay through my ISP's SMTP
> > > server.
> > >
> > > Back to the question:
> > >
> > > BOFH answer:
> > > They should fix their DNS. You do not have to fix
> > > this for them. You have no obligation to accept their
> > > email until they fix it. Make a web page describing
> > > how to check their DNS and point all complainers to
> > > it. Have them verify that reverse DNS is set up
> > > properly before allowing them to submit a complaint
> > > for you to investigate. Explain your policy and why
> > > you do it. Put the burden back on them to prove that
> > > rDNS is set up properly; make them include a
> > > transcript of that verification with their request
> > > that you look into it. You can write a script for
> > > them if you want to make it easy. Reject any requests
> > > which do not carry output which shows that rDNS is
> > > working fine.
> > >
> > > Buck-Passing answer:
> > > Hold a referendum among your users. The spam
> > > filtering is for them, right? So make them choose and
> > > then you have yourself morally protected. Make them
> > > pick their poison, and live with the consequences of
> > > their decision.
> > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________
> > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page.
> > > www.yahoo.com
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > >
> > >
> > > Satlug mailing list
> > > Satlug@satlug.org
> > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> >
> >
> > Satlug mailing list
> > Satlug@satlug.org
> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
> >
>
>
> --
> Jeremy
> _______________________________________________
>
>
> Satlug mailing list
> Satlug@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>
From tbeck at mail.dragon-designs.net Tue Nov 2 19:36:33 2004
From: tbeck at mail.dragon-designs.net (Timothy Beck)
Date: Tue Nov 2 19:19:18 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] There was someone asking about Dynamic DNS setups
Message-ID: <1099445793.18677.1.camel@main.dragon-designs.net>
Check this link out, I'm adding it to my Info links because I thought it
was simple and straight forward, don't even need DyDNS even.
http://dag.wieers.com/howto/bits/bind-ddns.php
Just a random finding.
--
Timothy Beck
From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Tue Nov 2 23:41:53 2004
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks)
Date: Tue Nov 2 23:24:42 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] HAM list
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <200411022341.53352.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
Where is this list? Where do I join?
I've been meaning to get my license ofr a while now..
Tweeks
From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Tue Nov 2 23:42:53 2004
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks)
Date: Tue Nov 2 23:25:42 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] graphical logon on FC1
In-Reply-To: <000001c4bf61$7591f850$0301a8c0@triffid>
References: <000001c4bf61$7591f850$0301a8c0@triffid>
Message-ID: <200411022342.53827.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
On Sunday 31 October 2004 09:51 am, Al Castanoli wrote:
> There for awhile early (pre Solaris 2.0) Sun OSes hid init in /etc/5lib
> along with a bunch of other handy small programs but they were easy to
> symlink to, and I wrote those symlinks into install scripts for then
> current SparcSTATION 2 pizza boxen circa 1992.
Wow.. great stuff..
Were you actually involved in that?
Tweeks
From scarolan at gmail.com Wed Nov 3 06:38:27 2004
From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan)
Date: Wed Nov 3 06:21:22 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] More IMAP Questions
In-Reply-To: <277020fc041102113139894e2e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <277020fc041030143752de9ff0@mail.gmail.com>
<277020fc041031123479475459@mail.gmail.com>
<277020fc0411011138291be029@mail.gmail.com>
<277020fc04110209362efc79f5@mail.gmail.com>
<277020fc0411020940efed8a2@mail.gmail.com>
<77jfo0dfdto8hb2jacdpqd74f40248uskn@4ax.com>
<277020fc041102113139894e2e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <277020fc0411030438844e223@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 13:31:21 -0600, Sean Carolan wrote:
> > You should be able to insert a separate MX record for
> > linuxbox.medicalresourceusa.com to handle mail for that host only. The
> > existing MX record for medicalresourceusa.com should handle the rest of
> > your traffic. --Don
>
I got it working! You were right about sendmail being difficult and
arcane, but I found webmin to be very helpful in this matter.
From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Nov 3 08:03:12 2004
From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann)
Date: Wed Nov 3 07:46:04 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] HAM list
In-Reply-To: <200411022341.53352.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
References:
<200411022341.53352.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
Message-ID: <79ec289f04110306033a521fbf@mail.gmail.com>
Tom, the list isn't created yet. I wanted to see if there was an
interest and obviously there is.
On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 23:41:53 -0600, Tom Weeks wrote:
> Where is this list? Where do I join?
>
> I've been meaning to get my license ofr a while now..
>
> Tweeks
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Satlug mailing list
> Satlug@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>
--
Jeremy
From maquaro at yahoo.com Wed Nov 3 06:34:52 2004
From: maquaro at yahoo.com (Dale Offret Jr.)
Date: Wed Nov 3 08:31:41 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] HAM list
In-Reply-To: <79ec289f04110306033a521fbf@mail.gmail.com>
References:
<200411022341.53352.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
<79ec289f04110306033a521fbf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4188D06C.6080305@yahoo.com>
Jeremy Mann wrote:
>Tom, the list isn't created yet. I wanted to see if there was an
>interest and obviously there is.
>
>
>On Tue, 2 Nov 2004 23:41:53 -0600, Tom Weeks wrote:
>
>
>>Where is this list? Where do I join?
>>
>>I've been meaning to get my license ofr a while now..
>>
>>Tweeks
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Satlug mailing list
>>Satlug@satlug.org
>>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
Count me in as well, KD7SSL. Prior experience in Wyoming with
EchoStation attempting to create an AutoPatch machine for the SVARC group.
Dale Offret Jr.
maquaro yahoo.com
From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Wed Nov 3 09:41:29 2004
From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron)
Date: Wed Nov 3 09:24:14 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] AMD-64
In-Reply-To: <20041029184733.43342.qmail@web54310.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041029184733.43342.qmail@web54310.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1099496489.3866.31.camel@thomas.camerontech.com>
On Fri, 2004-10-29 at 11:47 -0700, Mary Yatti wrote:
> Has anyone tried Linux w/64 bit processor? If so, are
> there adequate drivers out there?
>
> I plan on venturing into 64-bit (AMD) real soon.
> _______________________________________________
> Satlug mailing list
> Satlug@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
Yes, I built an AMD64 3000+ server for a client. There were no
significant issues, Fedora Core 2 Just Worked(TM).
--
A: Because people read from top to bottom
Q: Why is top-posting bad?
Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT
From gm at winls.com Wed Nov 3 15:17:57 2004
From: gm at winls.com (George McQuade)
Date: Wed Nov 3 15:01:01 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] There was someone asking about Dynamic DNS setups
In-Reply-To: <1099445793.18677.1.camel@main.dragon-designs.net>
References: <1099445793.18677.1.camel@main.dragon-designs.net>
Message-ID: <1099516685.4044.15.camel@sat1>
Thanks for the pointer Timothy.
Counting your response, satlug.org has given us 4 possible alternatives
to achieve dynamic DNS tracking. We'll sit down and implement the one
most suitable for us and will report back to the list.
Sounds like this is a must for anyone who wishes to provide remote
assistance to a machine in the internet and want to save a phone call to
the customer to get his/her ip address or save the customer some $$ in
static ip charges from their ip vendor.
Thanks again
george
On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 19:36, Timothy Beck wrote:
> Check this link out, I'm adding it to my Info links because I thought it
> was simple and straight forward, don't even need DyDNS even.
>
> http://dag.wieers.com/howto/bits/bind-ddns.php
>
> Just a random finding.
> --
> Timothy Beck
>
> _______________________________________________
> Satlug mailing list
> Satlug@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
From zip at liberto.org Thu Nov 4 03:30:15 2004
From: zip at liberto.org (Andrew Hodel)
Date: Wed Nov 3 15:12:22 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] There was someone asking about Dynamic DNS setups
In-Reply-To: <1099516685.4044.15.camel@sat1>
References: <1099445793.18677.1.camel@main.dragon-designs.net>
<1099516685.4044.15.camel@sat1>
Message-ID: <4189F6A7.4060602@liberto.org>
On the subject of static IP's from ISP's
Since the days of DSL and Cable, being always on, I have never
understood the reason the ISP's charge more for a static IP. I can see
having 300 dial up users and saving money by buying only 290 IP's
(scale) because you can bet all the users won't be on at the same time,
or only buying as many IP's as DID's you have. But with an always
connected connection, you need 1 IP per customer, so why not make them
all static? If setup problems on the customer end is your answer, have
DHCP keep a static lease on all new MAC addresses.
Anyone have any idea why, other then just greedy bastards wanting more
money, and more trouble for the customer trying to host anything?
I hope ipv6 solves this, and gives even my SIP phone a static public
routable address.
Andrew
George McQuade wrote:
>Thanks for the pointer Timothy.
>Counting your response, satlug.org has given us 4 possible alternatives
>to achieve dynamic DNS tracking. We'll sit down and implement the one
>most suitable for us and will report back to the list.
>
>Sounds like this is a must for anyone who wishes to provide remote
>assistance to a machine in the internet and want to save a phone call to
>the customer to get his/her ip address or save the customer some $$ in
>static ip charges from their ip vendor.
>
>Thanks again
>
>george
>
>
>On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 19:36, Timothy Beck wrote:
>
>
>>Check this link out, I'm adding it to my Info links because I thought it
>>was simple and straight forward, don't even need DyDNS even.
>>
>>http://dag.wieers.com/howto/bits/bind-ddns.php
>>
>>Just a random finding.
>>--
>>Timothy Beck
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Satlug mailing list
>>Satlug@satlug.org
>>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>>
>>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Satlug mailing list
>Satlug@satlug.org
>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>
>
>
From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Wed Nov 3 15:39:54 2004
From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron)
Date: Wed Nov 3 15:22:43 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Dovecot? Cyrus? - Best IMAP server for Fedora Core 2
In-Reply-To: <277020fc041030143752de9ff0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <277020fc041030143752de9ff0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1099517994.3323.31.camel@thomas.camerontech.com>
On Sat, 2004-10-30 at 16:37 -0500, Sean Carolan wrote:
> Any suggestions as to a good IMAP server for Fedora Core 2? I tried
> installing dovecot via yum but got an error message about a missing
> library.
I just did a Courier IMAP installation for a customer on FC2 and was
very happy with the results. It's *fast* and does IMAP and POP3. the
only gotcha was that I had to make a small modification to the procmail
RPM to make it deliver to ~/Maildir instead
of /var/spool/mail/[username]. Contact me if you'd like to know more.
Thomas
From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Nov 3 15:40:48 2004
From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann)
Date: Wed Nov 3 15:23:36 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] There was someone asking about Dynamic DNS setups
In-Reply-To: <4189F6A7.4060602@liberto.org>
References: <1099445793.18677.1.camel@main.dragon-designs.net>
<1099516685.4044.15.camel@sat1> <4189F6A7.4060602@liberto.org>
Message-ID: <79ec289f0411031340358e3f7e@mail.gmail.com>
The answer I can come up with is they can have many more customers
than IPs. If everybody was static, they couldn't have as many
customers. If your computer is off and its got a static IP, it can't
be used by somebody else. This way they can jumble all these users on
a small subset of IPs.
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 03:30:15 -0600, Andrew Hodel wrote:
> On the subject of static IP's from ISP's
>
> Since the days of DSL and Cable, being always on, I have never
> understood the reason the ISP's charge more for a static IP. I can see
> having 300 dial up users and saving money by buying only 290 IP's
> (scale) because you can bet all the users won't be on at the same time,
> or only buying as many IP's as DID's you have. But with an always
> connected connection, you need 1 IP per customer, so why not make them
> all static? If setup problems on the customer end is your answer, have
> DHCP keep a static lease on all new MAC addresses.
>
> Anyone have any idea why, other then just greedy bastards wanting more
> money, and more trouble for the customer trying to host anything?
>
> I hope ipv6 solves this, and gives even my SIP phone a static public
> routable address.
>
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> George McQuade wrote:
>
> >Thanks for the pointer Timothy.
> >Counting your response, satlug.org has given us 4 possible alternatives
> >to achieve dynamic DNS tracking. We'll sit down and implement the one
> >most suitable for us and will report back to the list.
> >
> >Sounds like this is a must for anyone who wishes to provide remote
> >assistance to a machine in the internet and want to save a phone call to
> >the customer to get his/her ip address or save the customer some $$ in
> >static ip charges from their ip vendor.
> >
> >Thanks again
> >
> >george
> >
> >
> >On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 19:36, Timothy Beck wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Check this link out, I'm adding it to my Info links because I thought it
> >>was simple and straight forward, don't even need DyDNS even.
> >>
> >>http://dag.wieers.com/howto/bits/bind-ddns.php
> >>
> >>Just a random finding.
> >>--
> >>Timothy Beck
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>Satlug mailing list
> >>Satlug@satlug.org
> >>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Satlug mailing list
> >Satlug@satlug.org
> >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
> >
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Satlug mailing list
> Satlug@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>
--
Jeremy
From bryan.scott at gmail.com Wed Nov 3 16:54:48 2004
From: bryan.scott at gmail.com (Bryan Scott)
Date: Wed Nov 3 16:37:43 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] fsck & read only
Message-ID:
Hello,
I did something wrong. Recently I started getting errors from the hard
drive, well decided to reboot, and it would not come up without
running fsck. Well that ran and then I got a lot of questions about
repairing this and that and would I like to rewrite. Well I said yes.
and then I transfered the contents to a new drive, and it boots up but
it is now read-only. I do not understand. I can unmount all the
partitions and run fsck and all is well supposedly. I have also run
fsck from knoppix, and it all reports back good. but still read only.
Anyone have any ideas how I can make this drive read write again?
-Bryan
From pandemic at syn-recon.net Wed Nov 3 17:09:34 2004
From: pandemic at syn-recon.net (pandemic@syn-recon.net)
Date: Wed Nov 3 16:52:19 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] fsck & read only
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <4189652E.3050605@syn-recon.net>
Bryan Scott wrote:
> Hello,
> I did something wrong. Recently I started getting errors from the hard
> drive, well decided to reboot, and it would not come up without
> running fsck. Well that ran and then I got a lot of questions about
> repairing this and that and would I like to rewrite. Well I said yes.
> and then I transfered the contents to a new drive, and it boots up but
> it is now read-only. I do not understand. I can unmount all the
> partitions and run fsck and all is well supposedly. I have also run
> fsck from knoppix, and it all reports back good. but still read only.
> Anyone have any ideas how I can make this drive read write again?
>
> -Bryan
Assuming that your hard drive isn't fixing to totally die on you and
assuming you are using ext3...you may need to rebuild the journal. I
believe both lilo and grub let you specify to mark a partition as ext2
when you boot (in grub you need to pass the flag fs=ext2 ...or maybe
fs-sys=ext2 ??? could be wrong on this one). If you have a rescue image
I would just try mounting it rw as ext2 and see if that works..if it
does then you likely need to rebuild your journal.
Florian
From chuck at tetlow.net Wed Nov 3 19:29:33 2004
From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck)
Date: Wed Nov 3 19:12:22 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Linux is basis for world's fastest computer!
Message-ID: <1099531778.1111.2197.camel@laptop>
Today's focus: NASA blasts off with latest Linux supercomputer
from SGI
By Phil Hochmuth
Silicon Graphics is claiming the title of world's fastest
supercomputer with a Linux system it built for NASA.
Named Columbia, the supercomputer cluster is built with 10,240
Intel Itanium 2 processors and runs on 20 SGI Altrix server
platforms, which accommodate 512 processors per box. The
supercomputer, using only 16 of the 20 servers in the cluster,
was able to achieve 42.7 trillion calculations per second, or
teraflops; this surpassed the performance of the previous
supercomputer champs, Japan's NEC-based Earth Simulator (35.8
teraflops) and IBM's Blue Gene/L (36 teraflops).
SGI says the NASA Columbia supercomputer will allow the space
agency's research arm to perform tasks much faster than in the
past. For instance, computer models of space shuttle launches
can be performed hundreds of times in a single week, as opposed
to a month. These digital dry-runs are used to predict how
launches will go and anticipate problems. Weather modeling
applications running on the system will be able to predict a
hurricane's path up to three days earlier thanks to the Linux-
and Intel-based horsepower; this will give NASA better
information for launch timing, as well as let the agency warn
people in hurricane-prone areas.
With its history as a high-end Unix company, SGI introduced
Linux into its product line in 1999. It has pushed the platform
even harder than its own IRIX Unix operating system over the
years, as users have sought lower-cost Unix alternatives. SGI
introduced its first Linux supercomputer last year.
RELATED EDITORIAL LINKS
More on high-performance computing with Linux
http://www.linuxclustersinstitute.org/
From h_oudini at hotmail.com Thu Nov 4 17:32:16 2004
From: h_oudini at hotmail.com (Kase Saylor)
Date: Thu Nov 4 11:15:57 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Xchat (IRC) Problems
Message-ID:
I'm trying to access an irc for kdevelop using Xchat, but all I get is :
Connecting to irc.freenode.net (193.22.254.99) port 6667...
And that's it! Any help would be appreciated.
Kase
p.s. I've tried other networks and I get the same results.
FC3
From chuck at tetlow.net Thu Nov 4 12:11:01 2004
From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck)
Date: Thu Nov 4 11:53:43 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Public Access Terminal distribution
Message-ID: <1099591861.16349.2225.camel@laptop>
Hi guys,
I've got a situation where someone has a public access computer. The
people who have been using it keep screwing it up. Download and install
MSN, Realplayer, IE toolbars, spyware, adware, viruses, -- all kinds of
crap. The machine lasted less than a month and now Winblows is hosed!
But the only real purpose for the computer is web browsing. I was
thinking of putting Linux on it and locking it down tight. I remember
there was some distributions that came out for Kiosks -- machines that
the public can access. I seem to remember that some of the
considerations were: security had to be REAL tight, no login, NO
ability to modify configuration...
I was wondering if anyone had any experience with any of these Kiosk
distributions? Or can anyone make a recommendation???
Chuck
From h_oudini at hotmail.com Thu Nov 4 18:12:34 2004
From: h_oudini at hotmail.com (Kase Saylor)
Date: Thu Nov 4 11:55:48 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Xchat (IRC) Problems
Message-ID:
Nevermind. I found out that my company blocks IRC (ports 6667 - ??).
>
>I'm trying to access an irc for kdevelop using Xchat, but all I get is :
>
>Connecting to irc.freenode.net (193.22.254.99) port 6667...
>
>And that's it! Any help would be appreciated.
>
>Kase
>
>p.s. I've tried other networks and I get the same results.
>
>FC3
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Satlug mailing list
>Satlug@satlug.org
>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
From dubose at texas.net Thu Nov 4 12:17:01 2004
From: dubose at texas.net (dubose@texas.net)
Date: Thu Nov 4 11:59:01 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Public Access Terminal distribution
Message-ID: <20041104181615.B4478E1DD29@mail2.aus.texas.net>
How about an internal CDROM (no external CDROM) with Knoppix or Slax on it.
Walt
> Hi guys,
>
> I've got a situation where someone has a public access computer. The
> people who have been using it keep screwing it up. Download and install
> MSN, Realplayer, IE toolbars, spyware, adware, viruses, -- all kinds of
> crap. The machine lasted less than a month and now Winblows is hosed!
>
> But the only real purpose for the computer is web browsing. I was
> thinking of putting Linux on it and locking it down tight. I remember
> there was some distributions that came out for Kiosks -- machines that
> the public can access. I seem to remember that some of the
> considerations were: security had to be REAL tight, no login, NO
> ability to modify configuration...
>
> I was wondering if anyone had any experience with any of these Kiosk
> distributions? Or can anyone make a recommendation???
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Satlug mailing list
> Satlug@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>
From chuck at tetlow.net Thu Nov 4 12:38:00 2004
From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck)
Date: Thu Nov 4 12:20:44 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Public Access Terminal distribution
In-Reply-To: <20041104181615.B4478E1DD29@mail2.aus.texas.net>
References: <20041104181615.B4478E1DD29@mail2.aus.texas.net>
Message-ID: <1099593481.1107.2230.camel@laptop>
That's what I'm in the process of doing right now -- pulling down the
latest Knoppix to burn & take over there. But that's a short time fix.
Knoppix is a great distribution and has a LOT of programs on the CD. I
don't want them to have access to all that. Just a browser and maybe
GAIM so they can do instant messaging. Other than that -- I don't want
ANYTHING else.
That's why I'll use Knoppix as a stop-gap, but want a true minimalist
Kiosk distribution in the long run.
Chuck
On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 12:17, dubose@texas.net wrote:
> How about an internal CDROM (no external CDROM) with Knoppix or Slax on it.
>
> Walt
>
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > I've got a situation where someone has a public access computer. The
> > people who have been using it keep screwing it up. Download and install
> > MSN, Realplayer, IE toolbars, spyware, adware, viruses, -- all kinds of
> > crap. The machine lasted less than a month and now Winblows is hosed!
> >
> > But the only real purpose for the computer is web browsing. I was
> > thinking of putting Linux on it and locking it down tight. I remember
> > there was some distributions that came out for Kiosks -- machines that
> > the public can access. I seem to remember that some of the
> > considerations were: security had to be REAL tight, no login, NO
> > ability to modify configuration...
> >
> > I was wondering if anyone had any experience with any of these Kiosk
> > distributions? Or can anyone make a recommendation???
> >
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Satlug mailing list
> > Satlug@satlug.org
> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
> >
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Satlug mailing list
> Satlug@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
From dubose at texas.net Thu Nov 4 13:07:33 2004
From: dubose at texas.net (dubose@texas.net)
Date: Thu Nov 4 12:49:32 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Public Access Terminal distribution
Message-ID: <20041104190647.4287E3A9DFD0@mail1.aus.texas.net>
Well, you can always pull out the things you don't want on Knoppix and recompile
it. At least that's what I was told on this list when I asked about it last week.
I would REALLY like a demo on how to do this so I could customize a CD for our
EOC use.
That would make a GRAND program for a/some SATLUG meetings.
Walt
> That's what I'm in the process of doing right now -- pulling down the
> latest Knoppix to burn & take over there. But that's a short time fix.
>
> Knoppix is a great distribution and has a LOT of programs on the CD. I
> don't want them to have access to all that. Just a browser and maybe
> GAIM so they can do instant messaging. Other than that -- I don't want
> ANYTHING else.
>
> That's why I'll use Knoppix as a stop-gap, but want a true minimalist
> Kiosk distribution in the long run.
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 12:17, dubose@texas.net wrote:
> > How about an internal CDROM (no external CDROM) with Knoppix or Slax on it.
> >
> > Walt
> >
> > > Hi guys,
> > >
> > > I've got a situation where someone has a public access computer. The
> > > people who have been using it keep screwing it up. Download and install
> > > MSN, Realplayer, IE toolbars, spyware, adware, viruses, -- all kinds of
> > > crap. The machine lasted less than a month and now Winblows is hosed!
> > >
> > > But the only real purpose for the computer is web browsing. I was
> > > thinking of putting Linux on it and locking it down tight. I remember
> > > there was some distributions that came out for Kiosks -- machines that
> > > the public can access. I seem to remember that some of the
> > > considerations were: security had to be REAL tight, no login, NO
> > > ability to modify configuration...
> > >
> > > I was wondering if anyone had any experience with any of these Kiosk
> > > distributions? Or can anyone make a recommendation???
> > >
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Satlug mailing list
> > > Satlug@satlug.org
> > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Satlug mailing list
> > Satlug@satlug.org
> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Satlug mailing list
> Satlug@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>
From gwillden at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 13:20:44 2004
From: gwillden at gmail.com (Greg Willden)
Date: Thu Nov 4 13:03:31 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Public Access Terminal distribution
In-Reply-To: <20041104190647.4287E3A9DFD0@mail1.aus.texas.net>
References: <20041104190647.4287E3A9DFD0@mail1.aus.texas.net>
Message-ID: <345e55a5041104112027d9798@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 13:07:33 CST, dubose@texas.net wrote:
> Well, you can always pull out the things you don't want on Knoppix and recompile
> it. At least that's what I was told on this list when I asked about it last week.
>
> I would REALLY like a demo on how to do this so I could customize a CD for our
> EOC use.
>
> That would make a GRAND program for a/some SATLUG meetings.
>
It's very easy to add/remove/modify/upgrade/remaster a Knoppix CD. I
did it here at work a little while back. The instructions on how to
do it are quite good.
http://www.knoppix.net/docs/index.php/KnoppixRemasteringHowto
Regards,
Greg
--
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From steve.mcconnell at gd-ais.com Thu Nov 4 11:46:12 2004
From: steve.mcconnell at gd-ais.com (Mcconnell, Steve)
Date: Thu Nov 4 13:28:02 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Public Access Terminal distribution
Message-ID: <7408C3158945264B85D07250D7A2C801018A787F@satxmail.ad.gd-ais.com>
The way I have used in the past is as follows.
System Requirements:
* at least 1 GB of FREE RAM+Swap total (e.g. 256M ram, and 750M swap
AVAILABLE) (unless you use a different compression program - look in this
page for compressloop)
* 3 GB free on a Linux filesystem (ext2/3, xfs, etc.) formatted disk
partition
Instructions:
1. Boot from the Knoppix CD
2. Open a root shell:
* Menu: Kmenu->Knoppix->Root Shell
* Note: All commands below are run from this root shell.
3. Configure your Internet connection (we'll need this later). If you use
DHCP, it should already be configured.
* Note: Run ifconfig to check.
4. Find the partition you will use to work on. In this example it is
called hda1 . The partition should have a minimum of 3 GB free space
5. Mount the partition:
* mount -rw /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
* Note: Make sure that it is read/write or you will get errors
when you later chroot. To check: run mount
6. Create a root directory to work in:
* mkdir /mnt/hda1/knx
* If you put all your files here and it will be easy to clean up
7. If you don't have 1 GB RAM (cat /proc/meminfo (physical+swap)) then
you will need a swapfile:
* cd /mnt/hda1/knx ; dd if=/dev/zero of=swapfile bs=1M count=750 ;
mkswap swapfile ; swapon swapfile
8. Make 2 directories, one for your new Master CD, one for the source, on
a disk partition. Also, make additional directories under these named
KNOPPIX:
* mkdir -p /mnt/hda1/knx/master/KNOPPIX
* mkdir -p /mnt/hda1/knx/source/KNOPPIX
9. Now, copy the KNOPPIX files to your source directory :
* cp -Rp /KNOPPIX/* /mnt/hda1/knx/source/KNOPPIX &
* Note: This will take a little while
10. Copy the main HTML page for the startup page:
* cp /cdrom/index.html /mnt/hda1/knx/master/
11. Copy everything necessary files except the ~700 Mb KNOPPIX file.
* < 3.4: cd /cdrom/KNOPPIX;find . -size -10000k -type f -exec cp
-p --parents {} /mnt/hda1/knx/master/KNOPPIX/ \;
* 3.4: cd /cdrom;find . -size -10000k -type f -exec cp -p
--parents {} /mnt/hda1/knx/master/ \;
12. Now you can "chroot" into the copied KNOPPIX:
* chroot /mnt/hda1/knx/source/KNOPPIX
If you get a whole lot of /dev/null permission deniederrors, you should do
the following. This can happen if you save your Knoppix configure data to
the same partition that you are using here, AND if you start with Knoppix
with knoppix home=scan.
Check your mount status if you met the problem: mount /dev/hdaX on /mnt/hdaX
type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev) (replace X with your partiton number ) where
"nodev" means that you are not accessible on mounted filesystem and you can
not access /dev/null. And some scripts get output redirect to /dev/null...
To solve this you should mount the target partition before you do chroot
like this:
^d # control+d will exit the chroot
mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
You should then see:
mount /dev/hda1 on /mnt/hda1 type ext3 (rw)
If the /dev/null warnings persist then before the chroot do :
mount --bind /dev /mnt/hda1/knx/source/KNOPPIX/dev
You have to umount /mnt/hda1/knx/source/KNOPPIX/dev before building the CD
image or your /dev directory on the CD will be messed up!
then you can carry on and chroot.
* You are now chrooted. "/" is actually "/mnt/hda1/knx/source/KNOPPIX"
* To use the internet you need to mount proc mount -t proc /proc proc
* You must do this step before you chroot: now edit /etc/resolv.conf and
add your nameserver or cp /etc/dhcpc/resolv.conf to
/mnt/hda1/knx/source/KNOPPIX/etc/dhcpc/resolv.conf
* Also change smb.conf to your MS group if you want smbd support (MSHOME
is XP Home ed. usually, and WORKGROUP is 9x Windows.
* check your chrooted internet connection : ping google.com
* Update your package list with apt-get update
* Now you can change stuff.
* Warning: apt-get upgrade is a BAD IDEA. It will, quite probably,
render your KNOPPIX remaster unbootable, or broken in some way. A far safer
method is to only upgrade packages as necessary
o Before you can add stuff, you will probably need to remove some
packages. To get a list of packages installed, type this:
+ dpkg-query -l
o If you want that list sorted by size (this way you can get rid
of the biggies), type this:
+ dpkg-query -W --showformat='${Installed-Size}
${Package}\n' | sort -n
o To remove a package (and all packages dependant on it), type
this:
+ apt-get remove
o To check for orphaned packages, type this:
+ deborphan
o Want to save more space by getting rid of those pesky orphans
(how cruel!), type this (Warning, you won't be prompted yes/no to remove
these packages. When you press Enter after this command, those packages will
be gone):
+ deborphan | xargs apt-get -y remove
o If you're uncertain about the previous command and want to see
what will happen without making any changes, just add the -s option to the
apt-get command like this (you can do this with all of the apt-get commands,
and it's a good habit to use this option before mass operations like this
one):
+ deborphan | xargs apt-get -s -y remove
o Now the good stuff. If you wish to add a package, type this:
+ apt-get install
o What, don't know what packages to install? Type this. When the
list appears, you can peruse (over 13k lines!) or search for things using
/:
+ apt-cache search .* | sort | less
o When you're done removing and adding packages, a good way to
clean up is by typing this:
+ COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |grep ^rc |awk '{print $2} ' | xargs
dpkg -P
o Also, because the Debian package system keeps a cache of
downloaded packages, you may want to run the following to clear out those
spare files:
+ apt-get clean
o user settings are in /etc/skel
* Unmount /proc - very important! umount /proc
* Press CTRL+D to leave being chrooted.
Notes :
When testing X-based programs, you will have to export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0
When you want to autorun some programs, one can create a script and put it
in the directory /etc/rc5.d/ (This only loads items before X loads)
interesting stuff in /etc/init.d/knoppix-autoconfig :
* The X background file is /cdrom/KNOPPIX/background.gif (in knoppix
3.4: background.jpg)
* As well as floppyconfig, there is cdromconfig which will run
cdrom/KNOPPIX/knoppix.sh
interesting stuff in /etc/init.d/xsession :
* it ALSO sets background as /usr/local/lib/knoppix.gif
Now, onto creating the ISO file :
* we've finished customizing and ready to burn!
* first do some cleanup : remove .bash_history files, tmp files etc
* rm -rf /mnt/hda1/knx/source/KNOPPIX/.rr_moved
* Now we'll make the big KNOPPIX file which is a cloop compressed ISO
9660 filesystem : mkisofs -R -U -V "KNOPPIX.net filesystem" -P "KNOPPIX
www.knoppix.net" -hide-rr-moved -cache-inodes -no-bak -pad
/mnt/hda1/knx/source/KNOPPIX | nice -5 /usr/bin/create_compressed_fs - 65536
> /mnt/hda1/knx/master/KNOPPIX/KNOPPIX
the "www.knoppix.net" and "Knoppix.net filesystem" can be changed to what
you want to call the file. You will get an error that it doesn't conform to
ISO standards, you can ignore this.
In Knoppix 3.4 the create_compressed_fs script has been updated so be sure
to use it to obtain the best result. It has a new option -b (best), which
enables the best compression by using different compression schemes and
tries to optimize that way, but be careful, because that option is slow (10x
slower).
* if all went well, onto making the final CD-ROM Image :
* cd /mnt/hda1/knx/master
* rm -f KNOPPIX/md5sums; find -type f -not -name md5sums -not -name
boot.cat -not -name isolinux.bin -exec md5sum {} \; >> KNOPPIX/md5sums (this
will update the md5 hashes of the files included in the ISO, used for
integrity checking)
* for Knoppix <= 3.3: mkisofs -pad -l -r -J -v -V "KNOPPIX" -b
KNOPPIX/boot.img -c KNOPPIX/boot.cat -hide-rr-moved -o
/mnt/hda1/knx/knoppix.iso /mnt/hda1/knx/master (the ISO is stored in
/mnt/hda1/knx/knoppix.iso)
* For Knoppix >= 3.4 or other isolinux based distributions do:
mkisofs -pad -l -r -J -v -V "KNOPPIX" -no-emul-boot -boot-load-size 4
-boot-info-table -b boot/isolinux/isolinux.bin -c boot/isolinux/boot.cat
-hide-rr-moved -o /mnt/hda1/knx/knoppix.iso /mnt/hda1/knx/master (the ISO is
stored in /mnt/hda1/knx/knoppix.iso)
* all done!
-----Original Message-----
From: dubose@texas.net [mailto:dubose@texas.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 1:08 PM
To: satlug@satlug.org
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Public Access Terminal distribution
Well, you can always pull out the things you don't want on Knoppix and
recompile it. At least that's what I was told on this list when I asked
about it last week.
I would REALLY like a demo on how to do this so I could customize a CD for
our EOC use.
That would make a GRAND program for a/some SATLUG meetings.
Walt
> That's what I'm in the process of doing right now -- pulling down the
> latest Knoppix to burn & take over there. But that's a short time
> fix.
>
> Knoppix is a great distribution and has a LOT of programs on the CD.
> I don't want them to have access to all that. Just a browser and
> maybe GAIM so they can do instant messaging. Other than that -- I
> don't want ANYTHING else.
>
> That's why I'll use Knoppix as a stop-gap, but want a true minimalist
> Kiosk distribution in the long run.
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 12:17, dubose@texas.net wrote:
> > How about an internal CDROM (no external CDROM) with Knoppix or Slax
> > on it.
> >
> > Walt
> >
> > > Hi guys,
> > >
> > > I've got a situation where someone has a public access computer.
> > > The people who have been using it keep screwing it up. Download
> > > and install MSN, Realplayer, IE toolbars, spyware, adware,
> > > viruses, -- all kinds of crap. The machine lasted less than a
> > > month and now Winblows is hosed!
> > >
> > > But the only real purpose for the computer is web browsing. I was
> > > thinking of putting Linux on it and locking it down tight. I
> > > remember there was some distributions that came out for Kiosks --
> > > machines that the public can access. I seem to remember that some
> > > of the considerations were: security had to be REAL tight, no
> > > login, NO ability to modify configuration...
> > >
> > > I was wondering if anyone had any experience with any of these
> > > Kiosk distributions? Or can anyone make a recommendation???
> > >
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Satlug mailing list
> > > Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Satlug mailing list
> > Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Satlug mailing list
> Satlug@satlug.org http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>
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From twalker at world-net.net Thu Nov 4 15:54:12 2004
From: twalker at world-net.net (Tom Walker)
Date: Thu Nov 4 15:36:39 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Public Access Terminal distribution
In-Reply-To: <20041104190647.4287E3A9DFD0@mail1.aus.texas.net>
Message-ID: <200411042153.iA4LruZH013394@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net>
QNX used to have a one-floppy-disk-based demo distribution of their Internet
Anywhere tools. It would boot up into a ramdisk with graphical browser,
phone dialer, network, editor, etc. Enough drivers built in so it would run
on almost anything. Can't put my hands on mine right now, but I bet I'm not
the only one on the list to have seen the demo.
Second idea is a do-it-yourself disto, it might fit on a floppy disk, or
spend $40 for a 40 pin 16 - 32 meg IDE-Flash disk (if you can still find
one). Or, put kernel & root of FD0 and /usr of FD1. By using 1.7 meg format,
you can get a lot of compressed files for a ramdisk, and still be able to
store a few settings or make a few changes. Just my $.02 worth. I'd be happy
to see how much I could get done, just give some kernel/application
requirements.
-----Original Message-----
From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf
Of dubose@texas.net
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 1:08 PM
To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Public Access Terminal distribution
Well, you can always pull out the things you don't want on Knoppix and
recompile
it. At least that's what I was told on this list when I asked about it last
week.
I would REALLY like a demo on how to do this so I could customize a CD for
our
EOC use.
That would make a GRAND program for a/some SATLUG meetings.
Walt
> That's what I'm in the process of doing right now -- pulling down the
> latest Knoppix to burn & take over there. But that's a short time fix.
>
> Knoppix is a great distribution and has a LOT of programs on the CD. I
> don't want them to have access to all that. Just a browser and maybe
> GAIM so they can do instant messaging. Other than that -- I don't want
> ANYTHING else.
>
> That's why I'll use Knoppix as a stop-gap, but want a true minimalist
> Kiosk distribution in the long run.
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 12:17, dubose@texas.net wrote:
> > How about an internal CDROM (no external CDROM) with Knoppix or Slax on
it.
> >
> > Walt
> >
> > > Hi guys,
> > >
> > > I've got a situation where someone has a public access computer. The
> > > people who have been using it keep screwing it up. Download and
install
> > > MSN, Realplayer, IE toolbars, spyware, adware, viruses, -- all kinds
of
> > > crap. The machine lasted less than a month and now Winblows is hosed!
> > >
> > > But the only real purpose for the computer is web browsing. I was
> > > thinking of putting Linux on it and locking it down tight. I remember
> > > there was some distributions that came out for Kiosks -- machines that
> > > the public can access. I seem to remember that some of the
> > > considerations were: security had to be REAL tight, no login, NO
> > > ability to modify configuration...
> > >
> > > I was wondering if anyone had any experience with any of these Kiosk
> > > distributions? Or can anyone make a recommendation???
> > >
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Satlug mailing list
> > > Satlug@satlug.org
> > > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
> > >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Satlug mailing list
> > Satlug@satlug.org
> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Satlug mailing list
> Satlug@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>
_______________________________________________
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http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
From patl at satx.rr.com Thu Nov 4 17:41:01 2004
From: patl at satx.rr.com (J. Patrick Lanigan)
Date: Thu Nov 4 17:21:08 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Online account sharing
Message-ID: <418ABE0D.50807@satx.rr.com>
I know that I have seen some of you mention a site that shares login
info for free membership based web sites. I have never needed it before,
but I want to read an article on mysa.com and I can't remember that site.
Anyone have the URL?
Thanks,
Patrick
From wmail at wricomp.com Thu Nov 4 18:12:48 2004
From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright)
Date: Thu Nov 4 17:55:26 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Online account sharing
In-Reply-To: <418ABE0D.50807@satx.rr.com>
References: <418ABE0D.50807@satx.rr.com>
Message-ID:
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:41:01 -0600, "J. Patrick Lanigan"
wrote:
>I know that I have seen some of you mention a site that shares login
>info for free membership based web sites. I have never needed it before,
>but I want to read an article on mysa.com and I can't remember that site.
>
>Anyone have the URL?
http://www.bugmenot.com/
From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 18:13:47 2004
From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann)
Date: Thu Nov 4 17:56:36 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Online account sharing
In-Reply-To: <418ABE0D.50807@satx.rr.com>
References: <418ABE0D.50807@satx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <79ec289f04110416131a810f78@mail.gmail.com>
http://bugmenot.com/
Be sure to get the Mozilla/Firefox extension. Works like a charm!
On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:41:01 -0600, J. Patrick Lanigan wrote:
> I know that I have seen some of you mention a site that shares login
> info for free membership based web sites. I have never needed it before,
> but I want to read an article on mysa.com and I can't remember that site.
>
> Anyone have the URL?
>
> Thanks,
> Patrick
> _______________________________________________
> Satlug mailing list
> Satlug@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>
--
Jeremy
From pac at fortuitous.com Thu Nov 4 18:32:44 2004
From: pac at fortuitous.com (Phil Carinhas)
Date: Thu Nov 4 18:15:25 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Public Access Terminal distribution
In-Reply-To: <1099591861.16349.2225.camel@laptop>
References: <1099591861.16349.2225.camel@laptop>
Message-ID: <20041105003244.GB30537@mail.fortuitous.com>
On Thu, Nov 04, 2004 at 12:11:01PM -0600, Chuck wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I've got a situation where someone has a public access computer. The
> people who have been using it keep screwing it up. Download and install
> MSN, Realplayer, IE toolbars, spyware, adware, viruses, -- all kinds of
> crap. The machine lasted less than a month and now Winblows is hosed!
> I was wondering if anyone had any experience with any of these Kiosk
> distributions? Or can anyone make a recommendation???
You may want to look at http://thinstation.sourceforge.net/
to create a flashdisk distro. Otherwise you can mount disks
read-only.
-Phil Carinhas
--
.--------------------------------------------------------.
| Dr. Philip A. Carinhas | pac(at)fortuitous.com |
| Fortuitous Technologies Inc. | http://fortuitous.com |
| Linux Networking & Security | Tel : 1-512-351-7783 |
`--------------------------------------------------------'
From erichaugen at gmail.com Thu Nov 4 18:57:20 2004
From: erichaugen at gmail.com (Eric Haugen)
Date: Thu Nov 4 18:40:24 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Online account sharing
In-Reply-To: <79ec289f04110416131a810f78@mail.gmail.com>
References: <418ABE0D.50807@satx.rr.com>
<79ec289f04110416131a810f78@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <674b98ac04110416578539682@mail.gmail.com>
http://www.mailinator.net/ has been a favorite of mine.
Eric
On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 18:13:47 -0600, Jeremy Mann wrote:
> http://bugmenot.com/
>
> Be sure to get the Mozilla/Firefox extension. Works like a charm!
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:41:01 -0600, J. Patrick Lanigan wrote:
> > I know that I have seen some of you mention a site that shares login
> > info for free membership based web sites. I have never needed it before,
> > but I want to read an article on mysa.com and I can't remember that site.
> >
> > Anyone have the URL?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Patrick
> > _______________________________________________
> > Satlug mailing list
> > Satlug@satlug.org
> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
> >
>
>
> --
> Jeremy
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Satlug mailing list
> Satlug@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>
From jehaywood at compuserve.com Thu Nov 4 19:12:13 2004
From: jehaywood at compuserve.com (Jennie Haywood)
Date: Thu Nov 4 18:58:12 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Part time jobs
Message-ID: <418AD36D.1090700@compuserve.com>
Does anyone know of part time sysadmin jobs available? I'm a full time
student at UTSA, but have years of experience in sysadmin and
development - specifically AIX and Solaris. I can read crash dumps on
AIX and Solaris. I've also written device drivers for Linux (thus done
kernel debugging) specifically for Redhat and SuSe.
Any info or pointers would be greatly appreciated!
Jennie
From rhewitt at satx.rr.com Thu Nov 4 21:21:15 2004
From: rhewitt at satx.rr.com (rhewitt@satx.rr.com)
Date: Thu Nov 4 21:03:58 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] working with Samba and Redhat
Message-ID: <4e5b694e5f2d.4e5f2d4e5b69@texas.rr.com>
I have Redhat 9 and I just downloaded the latest version of samba from the samba.org site and I wqnt to upgrade the Samba on my redhat server. How do I install the new version on RedHat 9 the file I downloaded the tar.gz file. I want to set up a file server and an FTP server on my network. I will be working on the Samba part first and then the FTP site after.
I can be reached at rhewitt@satx.rr.com or I can be IM'ed at rjhewitt_30 on Yahoo. any help is welcome
Robert
if it's new Smash it, if it's old smash it
if it's Microsoft Run from it
From patl at satx.rr.com Thu Nov 4 22:06:38 2004
From: patl at satx.rr.com (J. Patrick Lanigan)
Date: Thu Nov 4 21:46:55 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] [OT] Online account sharing
In-Reply-To: <79ec289f04110416131a810f78@mail.gmail.com>
References: <418ABE0D.50807@satx.rr.com>
<79ec289f04110416131a810f78@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <418AFC4E.6030908@satx.rr.com>
Jeremy Mann wrote:
> http://bugmenot.com/
>
> Be sure to get the Mozilla/Firefox extension. Works like a charm!
Thanks everyone for the info.
-Patrick
From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Nov 4 22:53:51 2004
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks)
Date: Thu Nov 4 22:36:36 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Public Access Terminal distribution
In-Reply-To: <1099591861.16349.2225.camel@laptop>
References: <1099591861.16349.2225.camel@laptop>
Message-ID: <200411042253.51133.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
On Thursday 04 November 2004 12:11 pm, Chuck wrote:
> Hi guys,
[...]
> I was wondering if anyone had any experience with any of these Kiosk
> distributions? Or can anyone make a recommendation???
What about using a trimmed down Knoppix?
Tweeks
From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Nov 4 22:55:54 2004
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks)
Date: Thu Nov 4 22:38:39 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] working with Samba and Redhat
In-Reply-To: <4e5b694e5f2d.4e5f2d4e5b69@texas.rr.com>
References: <4e5b694e5f2d.4e5f2d4e5b69@texas.rr.com>
Message-ID: <200411042255.54177.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
I would recommend installing it from RPM instead...
On Red Hat systems.. stay with the system package manager whenever possible.
Less pain in the long run.
Tweels
From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Thu Nov 4 22:59:44 2004
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks)
Date: Thu Nov 4 22:42:29 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Public Access Terminal distribution
In-Reply-To: <200411042153.iA4LruZH013394@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net>
References: <200411042153.iA4LruZH013394@pimout1-ext.prodigy.net>
Message-ID: <200411042259.44297.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
On Thursday 04 November 2004 03:54 pm, Tom Walker wrote:
> QNX used to have a one-floppy-disk-based demo distribution of their
> Internet Anywhere tools. It would boot up into a ramdisk with graphical
> browser, phone dialer, network, editor, etc. Enough drivers built in so it
> would run on almost anything. Can't put my hands on mine right now, but I
> bet I'm not the only one on the list to have seen the demo.
We did a demo of it at XCSSA back in like 99... It's prettyl click.. but for
anything other than that demo.. there's a $2000 or so license fee you have to
pay for it. A friend of mine was going that route for a while.
I'll stick with Linux.
Tweeks
From h_oudini at hotmail.com Fri Nov 5 14:53:42 2004
From: h_oudini at hotmail.com (Kase Saylor)
Date: Fri Nov 5 08:36:56 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] working with Samba and Redhat
Message-ID:
I'm not sure about the specifics for samba, but I'll provide a little
general help. You say you downloaded a tar.gz file? Have you untarred it
yet? If not, do the following:
(from the command line)
>tar xvfz
This will create a new directory with all of the source files in it.
>cd
>ls
You should see a bunch of files. There is probably a file name README and
one named INSTALL. Read both of them. From the command line you can type
'more ', or you could just browse to the directory woth konqueror
and open the files with a text editor (like kate). The INSTALL file will
provide the info you need to install, however, many times the file is a
generic "this is how you build from source" type of file. I assume that
you've never done this (forgive me if my assumption is wrong), so it is
probably worth a read. If you don't want to read the file, you should be
able to do the following:
>./configure
You'll see all kinds of messages and, hopefully, when configure finishes
you'll get some message that you're ready to build. Then...
>make
Again you'll see a lot more messages, and depending on the amount of source
and the speed of your machine, this could take quite awhile. Again,
hopefully you won't see any errors and everything will build properly. If
so, you'll need to do the following:
>su
#make install
This will install all of the binaries, libraries, and whatever else.
#logout
Of course if you were already root when you started, you won't have to 'su'.
I hope this helps. Of course you could always just look for the RPM at
rpm.pbone.net and just install the RPM with (as root):
#rpm -Uvh
Great thing about rpm.pbone.net you can search for RPMs for your flavor of
Linux (i.e. RedHat 9).
Regards,
Kase
>
>I have Redhat 9 and I just downloaded the latest version of samba from the
>samba.org site and I wqnt to upgrade the Samba on my redhat server. How do
>I install the new version on RedHat 9 the file I downloaded the tar.gz
>file. I want to set up a file server and an FTP server on my network. I
>will be working on the Samba part first and then the FTP site after.
>
>I can be reached at rhewitt@satx.rr.com or I can be IM'ed at rjhewitt_30 on
>Yahoo. any help is welcome
>
>
> Robert
> if it's new Smash it, if it's old smash it
> if it's Microsoft Run from it
>
>
>
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From WrkWatchr at hotmail.com Fri Nov 5 11:56:59 2004
From: WrkWatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr)
Date: Fri Nov 5 11:40:51 2004
Subject: [SATLUG]
Federal Computer Week Online Poll - Is Linux Ready for broad
Government Use?
Message-ID: <001b01c4c360$d8c5e0a0$6c01a8c0@hplaptop>
Take the poll and enter your opinion. Provides an interesting view of
opinions regarding using Linux in government operations....
Roy
http://www.fcw.com/polling.asp
From bryan.scott at gmail.com Fri Nov 5 13:11:51 2004
From: bryan.scott at gmail.com (Bryan Scott)
Date: Fri Nov 5 12:54:39 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] fsck & read only
In-Reply-To: <4189652E.3050605@syn-recon.net>
References:
<4189652E.3050605@syn-recon.net>
Message-ID:
Thank you for your help. I looked for info on rebuilding the journal,
and I couldn't figure it out. So the trusty knoppix disk mounted it
for me then I ftp'd it all off.
Thank you for your help.
-Bryan
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:09:34 -0600, pandemic@syn-recon.net
wrote:
> Bryan Scott wrote:
>
>
> > Hello,
> > I did something wrong. Recently I started getting errors from the hard
> > drive, well decided to reboot, and it would not come up without
> > running fsck. Well that ran and then I got a lot of questions about
> > repairing this and that and would I like to rewrite. Well I said yes.
> > and then I transfered the contents to a new drive, and it boots up but
> > it is now read-only. I do not understand. I can unmount all the
> > partitions and run fsck and all is well supposedly. I have also run
> > fsck from knoppix, and it all reports back good. but still read only.
> > Anyone have any ideas how I can make this drive read write again?
> >
> > -Bryan
>
> Assuming that your hard drive isn't fixing to totally die on you and
> assuming you are using ext3...you may need to rebuild the journal. I
> believe both lilo and grub let you specify to mark a partition as ext2
> when you boot (in grub you need to pass the flag fs=ext2 ...or maybe
> fs-sys=ext2 ??? could be wrong on this one). If you have a rescue image
> I would just try mounting it rw as ext2 and see if that works..if it
> does then you likely need to rebuild your journal.
>
> Florian
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From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Fri Nov 5 14:53:08 2004
From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron)
Date: Fri Nov 5 14:35:50 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] working with Samba and Redhat
In-Reply-To: <4e5b694e5f2d.4e5f2d4e5b69@texas.rr.com>
References: <4e5b694e5f2d.4e5f2d4e5b69@texas.rr.com>
Message-ID: <1099687988.3589.22.camel@thomas.camerontech.com>
On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 21:21 -0600, rhewitt@satx.rr.com wrote:
> I have Redhat 9 and I just downloaded the latest version of samba from the samba.org site and I wqnt to upgrade the Samba on my redhat server. How do I install the new version on RedHat 9 the file I downloaded the tar.gz file. I want to set up a file server and an FTP server on my network. I will be working on the Samba part first and then the FTP site after.
>
> I can be reached at rhewitt@satx.rr.com or I can be IM'ed at rjhewitt_30 on Yahoo. any help is welcome
>
>
> Robert
> if it's new Smash it, if it's old smash it
> if it's Microsoft Run from it
>
Have a look at
http://us4.samba.org/samba/ftp/Binary_Packages/RedHat/RPMS/i386/9.0/ -
there is an RPM for the latest version of Samba. I would uninstall the
old version of Samba (rpm -e) and then install the new version (rpm -
ivh).
I would strongly recommend moving from RH9 (which is long ago end-of-
life) to Fedora Core 3 which comes out on the November 8th.
--
A: Because people read from top to bottom.
Q: Why is top-posting bad?
Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT
From tbeck at dragon-designs.net Fri Nov 5 17:11:12 2004
From: tbeck at dragon-designs.net (tbeck@dragon-designs.net)
Date: Fri Nov 5 15:50:15 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] working with Samba and Redhat
Message-ID: <200411052311.iA5NBCa14887@ns3.hwcs.net>
RH9 can still be updated and used, matter of fact, fedora-legacy is doing a great job of keeping things updated and very useable.
All patched, updates and so on are still available. Some people, such as myself, have their systems far to customized to make such radical changes when the behavior of FC is not the same as with the Kernel and so on.
Someone on this list once said: As long as it fits the job and works, don't mess with it.
Tim
Thomas Cameron wrote ..
> On Thu, 2004-11-04 at 21:21 -0600, rhewitt@satx.rr.com wrote:
> > I have Redhat 9 and I just downloaded the latest version of samba from
> the samba.org site and I wqnt to upgrade the Samba on my redhat server.
> How do I install the new version on RedHat 9 the file I downloaded the
> tar.gz file. I want to set up a file server and an FTP server on my network.
> I will be working on the Samba part first and then the FTP site after.
> >
> > I can be reached at rhewitt@satx.rr.com or I can be IM'ed at rjhewitt_30
> on Yahoo. any help is welcome
> >
> >
> > Robert
> > if it's new Smash it, if it's old smash it
> > if it's Microsoft Run from it
> >
>
> Have a look at
> http://us4.samba.org/samba/ftp/Binary_Packages/RedHat/RPMS/i386/9.0/ -
> there is an RPM for the latest version of Samba. I would uninstall the
> old version of Samba (rpm -e) and then install the new version (rpm -
> ivh).
>
> I would strongly recommend moving from RH9 (which is long ago end-of-
> life) to Fedora Core 3 which comes out on the November 8th.
>
> --
> A: Because people read from top to bottom.
> Q: Why is top-posting bad?
>
> Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT
>
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From snafu at urdirect.net Fri Nov 5 19:18:49 2004
From: snafu at urdirect.net (Donn D.)
Date: Fri Nov 5 18:57:10 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] OT: recording LPs to CD-R
Message-ID: <418C2679.2070200@urdirect.net>
something is buggin' me. I am starting to record my large LP collection
to CD-R. I have a Pioneer CD recording deck connected to my receiver.
I just got through burning my Armageddon LP (from 1975) to a blank
CD-R. Then I stuck in the CD-R into my linux box (FC2) to see how the
CD sounded. To my surprise, after starting the CD player (not xmms -
the other one), after a few seconds of searching it then displayed
"Armageddon" as the artist, AND it even displayed the proper song
titles while playing... I did not use any of the "cd-text" features of
my recording deck. I just set the turntable needle down on side one,
and started recording. Then side 2...
I can't figure how the hell a computer audio player (CD Player) could
possibly know who the group was and what the song titles were.
Especially since I recorded from an old 1975 LP, NOT from a CD. I am
used to seeing "Unknown Artist" and "Track 1" etc etc while playing CD-Rs...
From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Fri Nov 5 19:59:40 2004
From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler)
Date: Fri Nov 5 19:42:20 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] OT: recording LPs to CD-R
In-Reply-To: <418C2679.2070200@urdirect.net>
Message-ID: <200411060159.iA61xeSG008179@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
>
> something is buggin' me. I am starting to record my large LP collection
> to CD-R. I have a Pioneer CD recording deck connected to my receiver.
> I just got through burning my Armageddon LP (from 1975) to a blank
> CD-R. Then I stuck in the CD-R into my linux box (FC2) to see how the
> CD sounded. To my surprise, after starting the CD player (not xmms -
> the other one), after a few seconds of searching it then displayed
> "Armageddon" as the artist, AND it even displayed the proper song
> titles while playing... I did not use any of the "cd-text" features of
> my recording deck. I just set the turntable needle down on side one,
> and started recording. Then side 2...
>
> I can't figure how the hell a computer audio player (CD Player) could
> possibly know who the group was and what the song titles were.
> Especially since I recorded from an old 1975 LP, NOT from a CD. I am
> used to seeing "Unknown Artist" and "Track 1" etc etc while playing CD-Rs...
Ehhh, halloween spooky...This is really cool, see if it is reproducible.
-Borries
From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Fri Nov 5 21:00:11 2004
From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron)
Date: Fri Nov 5 20:42:53 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Federal Computer Week Online Poll - Is Linux Ready
for broad Government Use?
In-Reply-To: <001b01c4c360$d8c5e0a0$6c01a8c0@hplaptop>
References: <001b01c4c360$d8c5e0a0$6c01a8c0@hplaptop>
Message-ID: <1099710011.4032.4.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com>
On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 11:56 -0600, Wrkwatchr wrote:
> Take the poll and enter your opinion. Provides an interesting view of
> opinions regarding using Linux in government operations....
>
> Roy
>
> http://www.fcw.com/polling.asp
Wow - the majority who took this poll say "No." That really surprises
me. Linux is heavily used in the Fortune 500, I am amazed that some
people don't understand that it is not only ready for prime time, it's
probably the best thing to hit IT since Ethernet.
TC
From wmail at wricomp.com Fri Nov 5 21:06:37 2004
From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright)
Date: Fri Nov 5 20:49:20 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] OT: recording LPs to CD-R
In-Reply-To: <418C2679.2070200@urdirect.net>
References: <418C2679.2070200@urdirect.net>
Message-ID:
On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:18:49 -0600, "Donn D." wrote:
>I can't figure how the hell a computer audio player (CD Player) could
>possibly know who the group was and what the song titles were.
>Especially since I recorded from an old 1975 LP, NOT from a CD. I am
>used to seeing "Unknown Artist" and "Track 1" etc etc while playing CD-Rs...
AIUI, the CD database uses the total length of the CD and the lengths of
each track as keys to look up the album info. If your transfer process
created the same track lengths as the CD version of the album it would
retrieve the same info. (Many commercial CDs have been created from a good
copy of the LP because the master tapes were unavailable.) The data might
even have come from someone who transferred the LP just as you did. --Don
From snafu at urdirect.net Fri Nov 5 22:23:35 2004
From: snafu at urdirect.net (Donn D.)
Date: Fri Nov 5 22:01:54 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] OT: recording LPs to CD-R
In-Reply-To:
References: <418C2679.2070200@urdirect.net>
Message-ID: <418C51C7.9020004@urdirect.net>
Don Wright wrote:
>On Fri, 05 Nov 2004 19:18:49 -0600, "Donn D." wrote:
>
>
>
>>I can't figure how the hell a computer audio player (CD Player) could
>>possibly know who the group was and what the song titles were.
>>Especially since I recorded from an old 1975 LP, NOT from a CD. I am
>>used to seeing "Unknown Artist" and "Track 1" etc etc while playing CD-Rs...
>>
>>
>
>AIUI, the CD database uses the total length of the CD and the lengths of
>each track as keys to look up the album info. If your transfer process
>created the same track lengths as the CD version of the album it would
>retrieve the same info. (Many commercial CDs have been created from a good
>copy of the LP because the master tapes were unavailable.) The data might
>even have come from someone who transferred the LP just as you did. --Don
>
>
that makes sense, I guess. Still it is weird. As you know, records
have various space in between songs - from almost none to maybe 5 or 7
seconds. Sometimes I may hit the "new track #" button pretty quick
after a song ends, and sometimes I may wait a few seconds...
Still, I'm not complaining. Its pretty nice to get Artist info & Track
info when burning from LPs. Hope it was not a one time thing...
From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Sat Nov 6 06:00:49 2004
From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler)
Date: Sat Nov 6 05:43:34 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Federal Computer Week Online Poll - Is Linux Ready
In-Reply-To: <1099710011.4032.4.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com>
Message-ID: <200411061200.iA6C0nPh028531@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
>
> On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 11:56 -0600, Wrkwatchr wrote:
> > Take the poll and enter your opinion. Provides an interesting view of
> > opinions regarding using Linux in government operations....
> >
> > Roy
> >
> > http://www.fcw.com/polling.asp
>
> Wow - the majority who took this poll say "No." That really surprises
> me. Linux is heavily used in the Fortune 500, I am amazed that some
> people don't understand that it is not only ready for prime time, it's
> probably the best thing to hit IT since Ethernet.
The answer may be in who is reading this publication - any stats on this?
If it is read by Windows users, military functionaries, microsoft stock owners,
but not programmers, system analysts or IT management then I could understand
the result.
-Borries
From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Sat Nov 6 10:09:00 2004
From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron)
Date: Sat Nov 6 09:51:41 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Federal Computer Week Online Poll - Is Linux Ready
In-Reply-To: <200411061200.iA6C0nPh028531@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
References: <200411061200.iA6C0nPh028531@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
Message-ID: <1099757340.17102.10.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com>
On Sat, 2004-11-06 at 06:00 -0600, Borries Demeler wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 11:56 -0600, Wrkwatchr wrote:
> > > Take the poll and enter your opinion. Provides an interesting view of
> > > opinions regarding using Linux in government operations....
> > >
> > > Roy
> > >
> > > http://www.fcw.com/polling.asp
> >
> > Wow - the majority who took this poll say "No." That really surprises
> > me. Linux is heavily used in the Fortune 500, I am amazed that some
> > people don't understand that it is not only ready for prime time, it's
> > probably the best thing to hit IT since Ethernet.
>
> The answer may be in who is reading this publication - any stats on this?
> If it is read by Windows users, military functionaries, microsoft stock owners,
> but not programmers, system analysts or IT management then I could understand
> the result.
>
> -Borries
Yeah, it's definitely not a statistically valid sampling, so I'm not too
worried about it. It just sucks to see anything saying that Linux isn't
ready for something.
TC
From dubose at texas.net Sat Nov 6 12:26:33 2004
From: dubose at texas.net (Walt DuBose)
Date: Sat Nov 6 11:09:00 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Federal Computer Week Online Poll - Is Linux Ready
In-Reply-To: <200411061200.iA6C0nPh028531@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
References: <200411061200.iA6C0nPh028531@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
Message-ID: <418D1759.70303@texas.net>
Government computer csers are, as a whole, the most uninformed
computer users in the nation...all they know is MS because the
government is MS centric and they have been brainwashed into
believing that anything other than MS won't work.
Walt
Borries Demeler wrote:
>>On Fri, 2004-11-05 at 11:56 -0600, Wrkwatchr wrote:
>>
>>>Take the poll and enter your opinion. Provides an interesting view of
>>>opinions regarding using Linux in government operations....
>>>
>>>Roy
>>>
>>>http://www.fcw.com/polling.asp
>>
>>Wow - the majority who took this poll say "No." That really surprises
>>me. Linux is heavily used in the Fortune 500, I am amazed that some
>>people don't understand that it is not only ready for prime time, it's
>>probably the best thing to hit IT since Ethernet.
>
>
> The answer may be in who is reading this publication - any stats on this?
> If it is read by Windows users, military functionaries, microsoft stock owners,
> but not programmers, system analysts or IT management then I could understand
> the result.
>
> -Borries
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Nov 6 12:26:03 2004
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks)
Date: Sat Nov 6 12:08:46 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] working with Samba and Redhat
In-Reply-To: <1099687988.3589.22.camel@thomas.camerontech.com>
References: <4e5b694e5f2d.4e5f2d4e5b69@texas.rr.com>
<1099687988.3589.22.camel@thomas.camerontech.com>
Message-ID: <200411061226.03517.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
On Friday 05 November 2004 02:53 pm, Thomas Cameron wrote:
> http://us4.samba.org/samba/ftp/Binary_Packages/RedHat/RPMS/i386/9.0/ -
> there is an RPM for the latest version of Samba. I would uninstall the
> old version of Samba (rpm -e) and then install the new version (rpm -
> ivh).
And don't forget to add it to the up2date skiplist!!!
If you don't and you update the system files.. you could nuke nonRH RPM files.
Also.. some other people on this thread recommend using tar balls..
Don't ever use tarballs on a red hat system unless:
a) there's no red hat provided RPM based package available
b) OR you erase/remove any conflicting packages (do an rpm -qf for each of the
files your tar ball will conflict with if you want to be sure)
c) AND you add any such packages to the up2date skiplist in the config
(up2date-nox --config)
Tweeks
>
> I would strongly recommend moving from RH9 (which is long ago end-of-
> life) to Fedora Core 3 which comes out on the November 8th.
Ditto..
The "in place" upgrades work nicely..
well.. if you haven't installed a bunch of hacked up tar balls that is.. ;)
Tweeks
From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Nov 6 12:37:00 2004
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks)
Date: Sat Nov 6 12:19:43 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Federal Computer Week Online Poll - Is Linux Ready for
broad Government Use?
In-Reply-To: <1099710011.4032.4.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com>
References: <001b01c4c360$d8c5e0a0$6c01a8c0@hplaptop>
<1099710011.4032.4.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com>
Message-ID: <200411061237.00553.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
On Friday 05 November 2004 09:00 pm, Thomas Cameron wrote:
> Wow - the majority who took this poll say "No." That really surprises
> me.
Shouldn't...
The DOD has been in bed with MS since around '96. Their entire hacked up
exchange system (DMS) is based on Exchange 5.5 (last I checked)... They
violate their own security policies regularly with windows usage on SIPERNET.
For the most part.. Walt was right... Very few of the Military IT staff know
what their doing.. and as soon as they DO learn enough to become useful..
they churn out to the civilian sector for more $$.. often leaving some poor
little airman in charge of base IT infrastructure...
Sorry... got me going there..
Tweeks
From wmail at wricomp.com Sat Nov 6 12:57:49 2004
From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright)
Date: Sat Nov 6 12:40:33 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Federal Computer Week Online Poll - Is Linux Ready
In-Reply-To: <418D1759.70303@texas.net>
References: <200411061200.iA6C0nPh028531@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
<418D1759.70303@texas.net>
Message-ID:
On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 12:26:33 -0600, Walt DuBose wrote:
>Government computer csers are, as a whole, the most uninformed
>computer users in the nation...all they know is MS because the
>government is MS centric and they have been brainwashed into
>believing that anything other than MS won't work.
And folks said California wouldn't elect another Republican actor.
People generally follow their self-interest. We should just keep
presenting the alternative in a positive way.
--
MS: The great crippler of young computers.
From wmail at wricomp.com Sat Nov 6 13:16:32 2004
From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright)
Date: Sat Nov 6 12:59:15 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Federal Computer Week Online Poll - Is Linux Ready for
broad Government Use?
In-Reply-To: <200411061237.00553.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
References: <001b01c4c360$d8c5e0a0$6c01a8c0@hplaptop>
<1099710011.4032.4.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com>
<200411061237.00553.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
Message-ID:
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:37:00 -0600, Tom Weeks
wrote:
> Very few of the Military IT staff know
>what their doing.. and as soon as they DO learn enough to become useful..
>they churn out to the civilian sector for more $$.. often leaving some poor
>little airman in charge of base IT infrastructure...
Some of them get it. This is from a USMC Web site, talking about
technology for command, control, communication, and computers:
"Future capabilities demand systems that are:
? Highly mobile, modular and capable of true on-the-move communications
allowing the commander and his staff to operate from a place and at a
time of his choosing
? Easy to install, operate and maintain (IOM)
? Less manpower intensive
? Able to seamlessly support line-of-sight to global communications
? Integrated and based on open standards so the network can evolve in a
modular fashion, adding capability and merging legacy and new systems
? Jointly interoperable
? Designed with security built-in from the beginning
? Limited in their power consumption requirements."
http://hqpub.hqmc.usmc.mil/c4/C4_Campaign_Plan_7-06.pdf
http://hqinet001.hqmc.usmc.mil/c4/
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From afcasta at texas.net Sun Nov 7 11:07:39 2004
From: afcasta at texas.net (Al Castanoli)
Date: Sun Nov 7 11:15:41 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Federal Computer Week Online Poll - Is Linux Ready
forbroad Government Use?
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <000001c4c4ec$4cdc2bc0$0301a8c0@triffid>
Surely the desktops I maintained for the Marines were mostly Windows
boxen, but all their servers were running one version of UNIX or
another, but that only encompasses a 22 year career, so I may have
missed something. And the Marines stomping around Central America with
me in the early 1980's were running CP/M in preference to DOS, as
opposed to the Air Force guys who had DOS on those horrid bubble memory
cartridges in their GRiD Compasses.
The Marines were the only service stubborn enough to make Banyan Vines
work, and now they're embracing Novell's SuSE Enterprise Linux, because
they feel it gives them the best interconnectivity between the other
services' Exchange servers and their own UNIX servers.
All of the Marine IT staff I've worked with over the past 30 years know
what they're doing, and the Marine Sergeant who rode into Grenada with
me in 1983 was hand picked by CINCLANT.
As we are nearing Veteran's Day, would it be too much to ask if we laid
off bashing military IT folks, maybe? When they deploy on combat
operations, they're in as much danger as anyone else. It's the
contractors who stay in the rear with the gear.
Al Castanoli | afcasta@texas.net
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From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On
Behalf Of Don Wright
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2004 1:17 PM
To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Federal Computer Week Online Poll - Is Linux Ready
forbroad Government Use?
On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 12:37:00 -0600, Tom Weeks
wrote:
> Very few of the Military IT staff know
>what their doing.. and as soon as they DO learn enough to become
useful..
>they churn out to the civilian sector for more $$.. often leaving some
poor
>little airman in charge of base IT infrastructure...
Some of them get it. This is from a USMC Web site, talking about
technology for command, control, communication, and computers:
"Future capabilities demand systems that are:
. Highly mobile, modular and capable of true on-the-move communications
allowing the commander and his staff to operate from a place and at a
time of his choosing
. Easy to install, operate and maintain (IOM)
. Less manpower intensive
. Able to seamlessly support line-of-sight to global communications
. Integrated and based on open standards so the network can evolve in a
modular fashion, adding capability and merging legacy and new systems
. Jointly interoperable
. Designed with security built-in from the beginning
. Limited in their power consumption requirements."
http://hqpub.hqmc.usmc.mil/c4/C4_Campaign_Plan_7-06.pdf
http://hqinet001.hqmc.usmc.mil/c4/
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From wmail at wricomp.com Sun Nov 7 12:16:50 2004
From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright)
Date: Sun Nov 7 11:59:39 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Federal Computer Week Online Poll - Is Linux Ready
forbroad Government Use?
In-Reply-To: <000001c4c4ec$4cdc2bc0$0301a8c0@triffid>
References:
<000001c4c4ec$4cdc2bc0$0301a8c0@triffid>
Message-ID:
On Sun, 7 Nov 2004 11:07:39 -0600, "Al Castanoli"
wrote:
>The Marines were the only service stubborn enough to make Banyan Vines
>work, and now they're embracing Novell's SuSE Enterprise Linux, because
>they feel it gives them the best interconnectivity between the other
>services' Exchange servers and their own UNIX servers.
Good to have direct confirmation. I was keying on the phrase "open
standards" where one might have seen "industry standards". That's
generally an indicator of Linux/UNIX support. Comments about security,
scalability, and low power were also hopeful signs. --Don
From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Nov 7 18:09:23 2004
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks)
Date: Sun Nov 7 17:52:07 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Federal Computer Week Online Poll - Is Linux Ready
forbroad Government Use?
In-Reply-To: <000001c4c4ec$4cdc2bc0$0301a8c0@triffid>
References: <000001c4c4ec$4cdc2bc0$0301a8c0@triffid>
Message-ID: <200411071809.23451.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
On Sunday 07 November 2004 11:07 am, Al Castanoli wrote:
> As we are nearing Veteran's Day, would it be too much to ask if we laid
> off bashing military IT folks, maybe?
Sorry Al... That was a bit harsh. It's really not the LTs and military's
middle management's fault... It's the upper upper brass that get biased from
the powerful Washington MS lobby. Practically the whole DoD is running MS
active directory now.
I've met a lot of sharp Military IT folks. It's just that most of them that
are worth their salt and love the IT/Tech side, usually gravitate toward
either a cool InfoSec type position, or go for civilian work... heh.. often
times even coming BACK into doing military work as a contractor and making
triple what they made while in service.
I used to work at Brooks AFB, and have friends in contract positions all over,
and the latest I hear is that the Air Force (anyway) has seen this staffing
consistency issue, though, and has started staffing their IT with more static
contractor/GS/GG positions as of late though.
Open Source has had a very slow take rate, although has made some good inroads
on the InfoSec side of the house. Makes me want to attend that local
Security group meeting here in town on Tuesday night...
Tweeks
From imeinzen at gmail.com Mon Nov 8 23:00:29 2004
From: imeinzen at gmail.com (Ian Meinzen)
Date: Mon Nov 8 22:43:12 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] There was someone asking about Dynamic DNS setups
In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0411031340358e3f7e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1099445793.18677.1.camel@main.dragon-designs.net>
<1099516685.4044.15.camel@sat1> <4189F6A7.4060602@liberto.org>
<79ec289f0411031340358e3f7e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4603d9ee04110821007e463feb@mail.gmail.com>
I wonder, though, how many people actually release those IPs back for
any length of time. I'm willing to bet that more and more people have
firewall/routers hooked up to those connections, which are on 24/7.
I'm thinking it allows them to be lazier in their setup - just have
them plug into the uplink, and they get an IP - no tech support has to
look up their IP, no trying to verify the machine is using the proper
IP, etc. That would be more impetus to use DHCP than a small pool of
IPs. Just my (very late) thoughts.
Ian
On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 15:40:48 -0600, Jeremy Mann wrote:
> The answer I can come up with is they can have many more customers
> than IPs. If everybody was static, they couldn't have as many
> customers. If your computer is off and its got a static IP, it can't
> be used by somebody else. This way they can jumble all these users on
> a small subset of IPs.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 03:30:15 -0600, Andrew Hodel wrote:
> > On the subject of static IP's from ISP's
> >
> > Since the days of DSL and Cable, being always on, I have never
> > understood the reason the ISP's charge more for a static IP. I can see
> > having 300 dial up users and saving money by buying only 290 IP's
> > (scale) because you can bet all the users won't be on at the same time,
> > or only buying as many IP's as DID's you have. But with an always
> > connected connection, you need 1 IP per customer, so why not make them
> > all static? If setup problems on the customer end is your answer, have
> > DHCP keep a static lease on all new MAC addresses.
> >
> > Anyone have any idea why, other then just greedy bastards wanting more
> > money, and more trouble for the customer trying to host anything?
> >
> > I hope ipv6 solves this, and gives even my SIP phone a static public
> > routable address.
> >
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> >
> > George McQuade wrote:
> >
> > >Thanks for the pointer Timothy.
> > >Counting your response, satlug.org has given us 4 possible alternatives
> > >to achieve dynamic DNS tracking. We'll sit down and implement the one
> > >most suitable for us and will report back to the list.
> > >
> > >Sounds like this is a must for anyone who wishes to provide remote
> > >assistance to a machine in the internet and want to save a phone call to
> > >the customer to get his/her ip address or save the customer some $$ in
> > >static ip charges from their ip vendor.
> > >
> > >Thanks again
> > >
> > >george
> > >
> > >
> > >On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 19:36, Timothy Beck wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>Check this link out, I'm adding it to my Info links because I thought it
> > >>was simple and straight forward, don't even need DyDNS even.
> > >>
> > >>http://dag.wieers.com/howto/bits/bind-ddns.php
> > >>
> > >>Just a random finding.
> > >>--
> > >>Timothy Beck
> > >>
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> > >
> > >
> > >
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> --
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>
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From ASexton956 at worldsavings.com Tue Nov 9 10:52:30 2004
From: ASexton956 at worldsavings.com (Sexton, Art, ISD)
Date: Tue Nov 9 10:35:11 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Linux instead of Windows on system at 2nd home?
Message-ID: <033DDA6D0085F947A748BBCE2D16EAC80744D5E6@sa1ems7.worldsavings.com>
Recently we purchased a condo at the coast which we are putting into the
rental pool there. I will be putting a pc in the unit and, since it
will be being used by anyone staying there, I am leaning toward
installing linux instead of windows since I think it will be much less
prone to getting "screwed up" by those users. My only problem is that I
need to be able to run a real estate web application, Paragon, that
doesn't seem to run on alternate browsers even on windows boxes. So,
the questions to the group are:
What can I do to run this particular application?
What would you recommend as far as distro? (leaning toward Fedora)
I am going to install the usual office applications, email client, and
browser...what would you recommend for this?
Thanks in advance for all your help!
Art Sexton
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From eli at then7.com Tue Nov 9 11:10:58 2004
From: eli at then7.com (Eli)
Date: Tue Nov 9 11:00:20 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Linux instead of Windows on system at 2nd home?
In-Reply-To:
<033DDA6D0085F947A748BBCE2D16EAC80744D5E6@sa1ems7.worldsavings.com>
References:
<033DDA6D0085F947A748BBCE2D16EAC80744D5E6@sa1ems7.worldsavings.com>
Message-ID: <2634.208.191.193.99.1100020258.squirrel@208.191.193.99>
How about iexplore under crossover office?
~e
On Tue, November 9, 2004 10:52 am, Sexton, Art, ISD said:
> Recently we purchased a condo at the coast which we are putting into the
> rental pool there. I will be putting a pc in the unit and, since it
> will be being used by anyone staying there, I am leaning toward
> installing linux instead of windows since I think it will be much less
> prone to getting "screwed up" by those users. My only problem is that I
> need to be able to run a real estate web application, Paragon, that
> doesn't seem to run on alternate browsers even on windows boxes. So,
> the questions to the group are:
>
> What can I do to run this particular application?
>
> What would you recommend as far as distro? (leaning toward Fedora)
>
> I am going to install the usual office applications, email client, and
> browser...what would you recommend for this?
>
> Thanks in advance for all your help!
>
> Art Sexton
>
>
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From chuck at tetlow.net Tue Nov 9 11:27:40 2004
From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck)
Date: Tue Nov 9 11:10:16 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Linux instead of Windows on system at 2nd home?
In-Reply-To:
<033DDA6D0085F947A748BBCE2D16EAC80744D5E6@sa1ems7.worldsavings.com>
References:
<033DDA6D0085F947A748BBCE2D16EAC80744D5E6@sa1ems7.worldsavings.com>
Message-ID: <1100021261.16349.2284.camel@laptop>
Art,
Sounds like you have a situation somewhat similar to the one I talked
about last week. Mine is a "kiosk" need that required fewer
applications, but similar full public access. I still haven't figured
out how I'm going to do that one.
But from the sounds of that application, its something that was written
for IE. I've run into a couple of those too. A few I blew off and went
to a different company that was more standards based (making sure they
knew WHY I went to a competitor), but one I was stuck with.
I looked into it a bit and didn't find favorable results from trying to
run IE under Wine or Crossover. I finally installed VMWare and Win98.
Of course, Win4Lin would do the same thing. Whenever I have to go to
one of those companies now, I fire up Win98 in a Window and use IE.
And yes, that does make me vulnerable to IE bugs. In fact - I've caught
one already, wiped the Win98 install, and put it back clean. Luckily,
Win98 installs FAST when running in a virtual. But in all that time,
RedHat9 continued to putt right along -- no fuss, no muss, and NO data
loss!
Anyway, that's an idea for you.
Chuck
On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 10:52, Sexton, Art, ISD wrote:
> Recently we purchased a condo at the coast which we are putting into the
> rental pool there. I will be putting a pc in the unit and, since it
> will be being used by anyone staying there, I am leaning toward
> installing linux instead of windows since I think it will be much less
> prone to getting "screwed up" by those users. My only problem is that I
> need to be able to run a real estate web application, Paragon, that
> doesn't seem to run on alternate browsers even on windows boxes. So,
> the questions to the group are:
>
> What can I do to run this particular application?
>
> What would you recommend as far as distro? (leaning toward Fedora)
>
> I am going to install the usual office applications, email client, and
> browser...what would you recommend for this?
>
> Thanks in advance for all your help!
>
> Art Sexton
>
>
> *****************************************************************************
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> the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend
> any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated.
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From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Tue Nov 9 12:31:46 2004
From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler)
Date: Tue Nov 9 12:14:21 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Linux instead of Windows on system at 2nd home?
In-Reply-To: <033DDA6D0085F947A748BBCE2D16EAC80744D5E6@sa1ems7.worldsavings.com>
Message-ID: <200411091831.iA9IVk5n012852@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
My vote would be for VMWare, it's rocksolid under Linux. I use Win2k most
the time, but you can run multiple OS's simultaneously under the same
VMWare install. Furthermore, you can make VMware accessible only under
your own account, keeping Win exclusively for yourself. Set up a guest account
for everyone else with limited privileges, so they don't screw up your
computer. If the box is on a high-speed link you may think about
rsynching the box on a regular basis for backup.
-Borries
>
> Recently we purchased a condo at the coast which we are putting into the
> rental pool there. I will be putting a pc in the unit and, since it
> will be being used by anyone staying there, I am leaning toward
> installing linux instead of windows since I think it will be much less
> prone to getting "screwed up" by those users. My only problem is that I
> need to be able to run a real estate web application, Paragon, that
> doesn't seem to run on alternate browsers even on windows boxes. So,
> the questions to the group are:
>
> What can I do to run this particular application?
>
> What would you recommend as far as distro? (leaning toward Fedora)
>
> I am going to install the usual office applications, email client, and
> browser...what would you recommend for this?
>
> Thanks in advance for all your help!
>
> Art Sexton
>
>
> *****************************************************************************
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> the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend
> any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated.
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From erichaugen at gmail.com Tue Nov 9 16:15:23 2004
From: erichaugen at gmail.com (Eric Haugen)
Date: Tue Nov 9 15:58:04 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Linux instead of Windows on system at 2nd home?
In-Reply-To: <200411091831.iA9IVk5n012852@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
References: <033DDA6D0085F947A748BBCE2D16EAC80744D5E6@sa1ems7.worldsavings.com>
<200411091831.iA9IVk5n012852@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
Message-ID: <674b98ac041109141549f3d7cd@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 12:31:46 -0600 (CST), Borries Demeler
wrote:
> My vote would be for VMWare, it's rocksolid under Linux. I use Win2k most
> the time, but you can run multiple OS's simultaneously under the same
> VMWare install. Furthermore, you can make VMware accessible only under
> your own account, keeping Win exclusively for yourself. Set up a guest account
> for everyone else with limited privileges, so they don't screw up your
> computer. If the box is on a high-speed link you may think about
> rsynching the box on a regular basis for backup.
>
> -Borries
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Recently we purchased a condo at the coast which we are putting into the
> > rental pool there. I will be putting a pc in the unit and, since it
> > will be being used by anyone staying there, I am leaning toward
> > installing linux instead of windows since I think it will be much less
> > prone to getting "screwed up" by those users. My only problem is that I
> > need to be able to run a real estate web application, Paragon, that
> > doesn't seem to run on alternate browsers even on windows boxes. So,
> > the questions to the group are:
> >
> > What can I do to run this particular application?
> >
> > What would you recommend as far as distro? (leaning toward Fedora)
> >
> > I am going to install the usual office applications, email client, and
> > browser...what would you recommend for this?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for all your help!
> >
> > Art Sexton
> >
> >
> > *****************************************************************************
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> > the sender immediately. The contents of this e-mail do not amend
> > any existing disclosures or agreements unless expressly stated.
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From rct at gherkin.frus.com Tue Nov 9 16:25:19 2004
From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy)
Date: Tue Nov 9 16:08:04 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Linux instead of Windows on system at 2nd home?
In-Reply-To: <033DDA6D0085F947A748BBCE2D16EAC80744D5E6@sa1ems7.worldsavings.com>
"from Sexton, Art, ISD at Nov 9, 2004 10:52:30 am"
Message-ID: <20041109222519.AD9D8DBE3@gherkin.frus.com>
Sexton, Art, ISD wrote:
> (...) My only problem is that I
> need to be able to run a real estate web application, Paragon, that
> doesn't seem to run on alternate browsers even on windows boxes. So,
> the questions to the group are:
>
> What can I do to run this particular application?
If you've gotta have Internet Explorer, try Crossover Office from the
folks at Codeweavers. I use it to run our #$%@! timesheet application
here at the day job.
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From ub at paisd.net Tue Nov 9 19:20:24 2004
From: ub at paisd.net (Leif Johnson)
Date: Tue Nov 9 18:48:48 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] OT fiber link
Message-ID:
We just ran 100' of fiber between two buildings at an elementary school
here in Port Aransas. I can see light in the fiber with a flashlight so
the link appears good. I have two Allied Telison MC13 media converters
connected, but I can't get a link light on the fiber ports.
Does someone know of something funny with these converters that I should
be aware of?
Sincerely,
-Leif Johnson
Port Aransas ISD
100 Station St
Port Aransas Tx 78373
361 749-1200 ext. 316
From dave at coverstreet.com Tue Nov 9 20:55:05 2004
From: dave at coverstreet.com (Dave)
Date: Tue Nov 9 19:34:54 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] OT fiber link
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <1100055305.1375.200.camel@mojojojo>
On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 19:20, Leif Johnson wrote:
> We just ran 100' of fiber between two buildings at an elementary school
> here in Port Aransas. I can see light in the fiber with a flashlight so
> the link appears good. I have two Allied Telison MC13 media converters
> connected, but I can't get a link light on the fiber ports.
>
> Does someone know of something funny with these converters that I should
> be aware of?
It's been a while since I messed with any of these things, but according
to their web site, you may need to turn on the Link Test Mode or Normal
Missing Link Mode to make them sync up. I found this out at:
http://alliedtelesyn.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/alliedtelesyn.cfg/php/enduser/popup_adp.php?p_sid=LxlRO6qh&p_lva=1830&p_admin=&p_li=&p_faqid=765&p_created=991179935
Yeah, I'm bored tonight and had a few minutes. Since I'm sure that
link's never going to wrap right, the text of the page is:
What does the LNK TEST and NML button do on your media converters?
Question What does the LNK TEST and NML button do on your media
converters? Answer LNK TEST Mode
Link Test mode is often confused to be a test mode, when in reality, it
is often used to establish the initial fiber link for most of our media
converters. In fact, depending on the model you own, it is recommended
to leave your converters in Link Test mode in order to keep a solid link
established. As you'll discover in the NML mode description below,
keeping your converters in NML mode will force you to manually
re-establish connectivity when a fiber or copper link is temporarily
disrupted.
Details on the proper use of Link Test are as follows:
MC100 Series Media Converters
It is strongly recommended that if you are experiencing problems
establishing a fiber connection with these converters, that you set and
leave them operating in Link Test mode.
MC10 Series Media Converters
With this model of media converter, it is often necessary to establish a
connection using the Link Test feature. To do so, begin installation in
NML mode. Typically you will not have a fiber link until you then place
the converter(s) in LNK TEST mode. However it is not recommended to
operate in LNK TEST mode with the MC10 series media converters, so drop
them back down into NML mode to sustain the link and resume normal
operation.
NML Mode (Normal Missing Link Mode)
NML mode allows a media converter to pass the loss of a "Link Status" on
one port to the other port. If the media converter senses a loss of link
on the UTP/STP (copper) port it stops the Fiber Optic (TX) Transmitter
port from transmitting the Optical Carrier. The reverse is also true--if
the Fiber Optic port senses a loss of link at the fiber (RX) port it
forces the UTP/STP port to drop the link and will not allow it to
re-establish or re-negotiate a link until the fiber port has a valid
link. The net result is that a link failure from either link partner
will be sensed by the other partner as if they were directly connected.
This allows link-state of one media port to interact with the other
media port's link-state. When used with Managed Network Devices at both
ends of the data link this feature quickly insures that both ends of a
data link are notified of a link failure. The Managed Network Devices
can then take action to notify the Network Manager of the failure (Via
SNMP Agent) or if the Managed Network Device have the capability as with
Spanning Tree Protocol, to automatically redirect network traffic to a
redundant or alternate network route.
Hope that helps,
-Dave
From zip at liberto.org Tue Nov 9 19:55:16 2004
From: zip at liberto.org (Andrew Hodel)
Date: Tue Nov 9 19:37:19 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] OT fiber link
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <41917504.1010807@liberto.org>
There should be a lnk tst button on the devices, from what I read it
seems that there is a missing link feature on that model that will kill
the fiber link if the UTP link is not there. This is to let the other
end (switch) know that the UTP link is down. When you press the lnk tst
button it should give a link regardless of UTP port status. You may
also want to try and use a short piece of fiber that you know is good.
There could also be a duplex mode mismatch on the switches you are
connecting them to, if the switches are not auto mdi/mdi-x
look at:
http://www.alliedtelesyn.co.uk/site/files/supportdocs/at50291a.pdf if
you have more problems.
Andrew
Leif Johnson wrote:
>We just ran 100' of fiber between two buildings at an elementary school
>here in Port Aransas. I can see light in the fiber with a flashlight so
>the link appears good. I have two Allied Telison MC13 media converters
>connected, but I can't get a link light on the fiber ports.
>
>Does someone know of something funny with these converters that I should
>be aware of?
>
>Sincerely,
>-Leif Johnson
>Port Aransas ISD
>100 Station St
>Port Aransas Tx 78373
>361 749-1200 ext. 316
>
>
>
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From dave at coverstreet.com Tue Nov 9 21:15:32 2004
From: dave at coverstreet.com (Dave)
Date: Tue Nov 9 19:55:20 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Linux instead of Windows on system at 2nd home?
In-Reply-To: <033DDA6D0085F947A748BBCE2D16EAC80744D5E6@sa1ems7.worldsavings.com>
References:
<033DDA6D0085F947A748BBCE2D16EAC80744D5E6@sa1ems7.worldsavings.com>
Message-ID: <1100056532.1460.210.camel@mojojojo>
On Tue, 2004-11-09 at 10:52, Sexton, Art, ISD wrote:
> Recently we purchased a condo at the coast which we are putting into the
> rental pool there. I will be putting a pc in the unit and, since it
> will be being used by anyone staying there, I am leaning toward
> installing linux instead of windows since I think it will be much less
> prone to getting "screwed up" by those users. My only problem is that I
> need to be able to run a real estate web application, Paragon, that
> doesn't seem to run on alternate browsers even on windows boxes. So,
> the questions to the group are:
>
> What can I do to run this particular application?
>
I've never heard of the application, but if it only runs in IE, and not
any other browsers, it might be that it's just checking the User Agent
string the browser announces and just refusing anything that doesn't
present itself as "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows 98; .NET
CLR 1.1.4322)" or something similar. I've seen some poorly configured
proxies that wouldn't run unless they saw an IE user agent string, so
maybe that's all your app is looking for.
You can find plugins for Mozilla/Firefox, Opera, Konquerer and just
about any other browser to make them announce themselves as something
else. You might get lucky and all you'll need to do is have Firefox
announce itself as IE and your app might work. Here's a link to the
first thing I found off Google:
http://www.chrispederick.com/work/firefox/useragentswitcher/
Good luck with it,
-Dave
From scarolan at gmail.com Tue Nov 9 20:33:54 2004
From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan)
Date: Tue Nov 9 20:16:33 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Shell script to fill out a web-based form
Message-ID: <277020fc0411091833394f5cd6@mail.gmail.com>
This is a bit of an unusual request - can someone point me in the
right direction?
I'm wondering if it's possible to write a Linux shell script or maybe
another way to automate the following:
1. Pull up http://adwords.google.com in web browser
2. Log in with email address and password
3. Check one box on the subsequent screen
4. Click submit button
5. Log out of account
Would it be possible to do this with a shell script? Or do I need to
start up a browser to activate the commands? Or could I start the
browser from within the script and have it generate the keystrokes
necessary to effect the above actions? I'm wondering also if the
browser or program asking for the files from the server needs to spoof
the user agent so that google doesn't reject the request.
I've never ventured into this area before, so any suggestions are more
than welcome.
From zip at liberto.org Tue Nov 9 21:14:03 2004
From: zip at liberto.org (Andrew Hodel)
Date: Tue Nov 9 20:56:03 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Shell script to fill out a web-based form
In-Reply-To: <277020fc0411091833394f5cd6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <277020fc0411091833394f5cd6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4191877B.3060800@liberto.org>
I suppose you could do it with curl and post/get requests
would be quite a task to save sessions/cookies and keep login data, you
may want to see if google has an api for what you want to do.
Andrew
Sean Carolan wrote:
>This is a bit of an unusual request - can someone point me in the
>right direction?
>
>I'm wondering if it's possible to write a Linux shell script or maybe
>another way to automate the following:
>
>1. Pull up http://adwords.google.com in web browser
>2. Log in with email address and password
>3. Check one box on the subsequent screen
>4. Click submit button
>5. Log out of account
>
>Would it be possible to do this with a shell script? Or do I need to
>start up a browser to activate the commands? Or could I start the
>browser from within the script and have it generate the keystrokes
>necessary to effect the above actions? I'm wondering also if the
>browser or program asking for the files from the server needs to spoof
>the user agent so that google doesn't reject the request.
>
>I've never ventured into this area before, so any suggestions are more
>than welcome.
>_______________________________________________
>Satlug mailing list
>Satlug@satlug.org
>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>
>
>
From tmiller-lists at web-1hosting.net Tue Nov 9 22:38:36 2004
From: tmiller-lists at web-1hosting.net (Travis Miller)
Date: Tue Nov 9 22:21:09 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Shell script to fill out a web-based form
In-Reply-To: <4191877B.3060800@liberto.org>
References: <277020fc0411091833394f5cd6@mail.gmail.com>
<4191877B.3060800@liberto.org>
Message-ID: <41919B4C.3050202@web-1hosting.net>
Hello Sean,
My business partner is actually working for a company that does the very same
thing (and more) with Adwords. They use curl w/ PHP to do what is called
"screen scraping". Basically, you use curl to download the page, and then parse
it and create another request (GET or POST depending) to continue along the
process. I can't remember what the name of the company he is contracting for is
at the moment - I will try to remember to post tomorrow if you are interested.
- Travis
Andrew Hodel wrote:
> I suppose you could do it with curl and post/get requests
>
> would be quite a task to save sessions/cookies and keep login data, you
> may want to see if google has an api for what you want to do.
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
> Sean Carolan wrote:
>
>> This is a bit of an unusual request - can someone point me in the
>> right direction?
>>
>> I'm wondering if it's possible to write a Linux shell script or maybe
>> another way to automate the following:
>>
>> 1. Pull up http://adwords.google.com in web browser
>> 2. Log in with email address and password
>> 3. Check one box on the subsequent screen
>> 4. Click submit button
>> 5. Log out of account
>>
>> Would it be possible to do this with a shell script? Or do I need to
>> start up a browser to activate the commands? Or could I start the
>> browser from within the script and have it generate the keystrokes
>> necessary to effect the above actions? I'm wondering also if the
>> browser or program asking for the files from the server needs to spoof
>> the user agent so that google doesn't reject the request.
>>
>> I've never ventured into this area before, so any suggestions are more
>> than welcome.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Satlug mailing list
>> Satlug@satlug.org
>> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
From chuck at tetlow.net Tue Nov 9 23:09:38 2004
From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck)
Date: Tue Nov 9 23:52:14 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting Reminder
Message-ID: <1100063378.1113.3.camel@laptop>
Hi everyone,
Don't forget that tomorrow is the November meeting. Check the website
for details (we are still in the alternate building).
Jeremy has been working on attempting a presentation on using Linux to
control Ham radios and scanners. And we need to talk about our December
"Christmas" meeting. So, everyone bring their ideas on how to make that
a special Holiday meeting. See you tomorrow...
Chuck
From gwillden at gmail.com Wed Nov 10 08:40:03 2004
From: gwillden at gmail.com (Greg Willden)
Date: Wed Nov 10 08:22:47 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Shell script to fill out a web-based form
In-Reply-To: <277020fc0411091833394f5cd6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <277020fc0411091833394f5cd6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <345e55a5041110064059887649@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 20:33:54 -0600, Sean Carolan wrote:
> I'm wondering if it's possible to write a Linux shell script or maybe
> another way to automate the following:
>
> 1. Pull up http://adwords.google.com in web browser
> 2. Log in with email address and password
> 3. Check one box on the subsequent screen
> 4. Click submit button
> 5. Log out of account
>
> Would it be possible to do this with a shell script?
Could you do it with Python or Perl?
I know that they both have libraries to deal with web pages but I have
two questions or doubts in my mind.
1. Does google allow robots to access addwords.google.com?
2. Does urllib (for python) allow for logins? (probably yes)
Regards,
Greg
--
To know recursion, you must first know recursion.
From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Wed Nov 10 09:00:35 2004
From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler)
Date: Wed Nov 10 08:43:10 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] MySQL question
Message-ID: <200411101500.iAAF0ZGk032186@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
This is a little off-topic, but since there are probably a number
of MySQL programmers here, I dare to ask this question:
I have set up a reference database where one can submit a keyword
search using a syntax like this:
SELECT * FROM mytable WHERE field LIKE '%$keyword%';
This works as long as the keyword matches exactly (ignoring
case sensitivity). A problem arises when the keyword was
entered with an umlaut (?, ?, etc...), but the users wants
to search for it using "oe" or "ue" to substitute for the
umlaut.
Can someone tell me how I have to modify my search so MySQL
will also pick up a keyword containing a ? umlaut when the
keyword is spelled with "oe" instead?
Thanks for the help, -Borries
From ASexton956 at worldsavings.com Wed Nov 10 09:10:50 2004
From: ASexton956 at worldsavings.com (Sexton, Art, ISD)
Date: Wed Nov 10 08:53:28 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] MySQL question
Message-ID: <033DDA6D0085F947A748BBCE2D16EAC8074D9035@sa1ems7.worldsavings.com>
Perhaps I don't undertand this one but, based on what I think you want you could just create another keyword and search both:
In php
$keyword2 = str_replace('?', 'oe', $keyword);
SELECT * FROM mytable WHERE field LIKE '%$keyword%' or field LIKE '%$keyword2%';
Is that what you were looking for?
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Subject: [SATLUG] MySQL question
This is a little off-topic, but since there are probably a number of MySQL programmers here, I dare to ask this question:
I have set up a reference database where one can submit a keyword search using a syntax like this:
SELECT * FROM mytable WHERE field LIKE '%$keyword%';
This works as long as the keyword matches exactly (ignoring
case sensitivity). A problem arises when the keyword was entered with an umlaut (?, ?, etc...), but the users wants to search for it using "oe" or "ue" to substitute for the
umlaut.
Can someone tell me how I have to modify my search so MySQL will also pick up a keyword containing a ? umlaut when the
keyword is spelled with "oe" instead?
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From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Wed Nov 10 09:34:56 2004
From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler)
Date: Wed Nov 10 09:17:31 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] MySQL question
In-Reply-To: <033DDA6D0085F947A748BBCE2D16EAC8074D9035@sa1ems7.worldsavings.com>
Message-ID: <200411101534.iAAFYuDi003410@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
>
> Perhaps I don't undertand this one but, based on what I think you want you could just create another keyword and search both:
> In php
>
> $keyword2 = str_replace('?', 'oe', $keyword);
>
> SELECT * FROM mytable WHERE field LIKE '%$keyword%' or field LIKE '%$keyword2%';
>
> Is that what you were looking for?
Art, that was almost it! Just had to reverse the order of '?', 'oe' and it worked
as I wanted it to.
Thanks for helping me out here!
-Borries
From mdfilio at gmail.com Wed Nov 10 09:35:20 2004
From: mdfilio at gmail.com (M. Filio)
Date: Wed Nov 10 09:17:58 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] MySQL question
In-Reply-To: <200411101500.iAAF0ZGk032186@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
References: <200411101500.iAAF0ZGk032186@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
Message-ID:
> Can someone tell me how I have to modify my search so MySQL
> will also pick up a keyword containing a ? umlaut when the
> keyword is spelled with "oe" instead?
I haven't done language type work in MySQL, but I'm guessing that what
you're asking can't be readily done within MySQL and that your
$keyword will need to be preprocessed in your script before making the
query to account for those cases.
Another thing you can suggest to your users is to use wildcards in the $keyword.
Just provide a quick example over the input:
"key%_ord"
From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Wed Nov 10 11:01:50 2004
From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars)
Date: Wed Nov 10 10:45:11 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Gaming Server and Clients
Message-ID: <4191F51E.6010008@cis.sac.accd.edu>
The 3rd of December I would like to use two of our class rooms to host
an interactive game event. We have a machine that can be used as a
server, and there will be 32 clients. The problem is...I need help in
setting this up. I do not play games and therefore know nothing about
setting and running an event like this. Any volunteers?
Thanks,
Steve
p.s.
It should go without saying that this needs to be a total Linux solution.
From kell at spoonix.com Wed Nov 10 12:04:34 2004
From: kell at spoonix.com (K. Spoon)
Date: Wed Nov 10 11:19:24 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Gaming Server and Clients
In-Reply-To: <4191F51E.6010008@cis.sac.accd.edu>;
from skolars@cis.sac.accd.edu on Wed, Nov 10, 2004 at 11:01:50AM +0000
References: <4191F51E.6010008@cis.sac.accd.edu>
Message-ID: <20041110120434.A14751@inverness.spoonix.com>
On Wed, Nov 10, 2004 at 11:01:50AM +0000, steve kolars wrote:
> The 3rd of December I would like to use two of our class rooms to host
> an interactive game event. We have a machine that can be used as a
> server, and there will be 32 clients.
Are you looking for a game, or did you have something specific in mind?
A lot of games out on the market today use a Quake based engine, and as
such some of them have had their servers ported over to Linux (check out
http://www.icculus.org/).
> The problem is...I need help in
> setting this up. I do not play games and therefore know nothing about
> setting and running an event like this. Any volunteers?
If you need a hand, I'm available. :) I'm running a couple of Enemy
Territory servers for kicks and grins.
> It should go without saying that this needs to be a total Linux solution.
Client side as well?
--
K. Spoon
From zip at liberto.org Wed Nov 10 13:55:33 2004
From: zip at liberto.org (Andrew Hodel)
Date: Wed Nov 10 13:37:24 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] hardware developers out there?
Message-ID: <41927235.3020203@liberto.org>
Any hardware developers who have worked with either embedded linux
projects, sip hardware phones, hardware devices supporting DAC/ADC's w/
an IP stack, or the iax protocol?
Andrew
From swinston at global-gaming.com Wed Nov 10 14:17:40 2004
From: swinston at global-gaming.com (Steven Winston)
Date: Wed Nov 10 14:00:15 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Gaming Server and Clients
Message-ID: <20041110201740.GA26468@Linux.satx.rr.com>
What type of game do you want? I'd be happy to help you setup from
start to finish; there's plenty to choose from.
Ofcourse, we could always get you setup with our game... Now that the
Linux version is quite stable.
--
Steven Winston
Global Gaming Innovations, LLC
"Pok pok pok, P'kok!"
-- Superchicken
From lblodgett at macosx.com Wed Nov 10 14:32:55 2004
From: lblodgett at macosx.com (Larry Blodgett)
Date: Wed Nov 10 14:15:26 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] OT: Strange email bounces.
Message-ID:
I keep getting these bouncing emails. I AM NOT sending these yet they
keep coming.
Is someone spoofing my lblodgett@mac.com address?
Any helpful thoughts would be appreciated.
Larry Blodgett
lblodgett@macosx.com
The original message was received at Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:17:08 -0500
(EST)
from austtx-mx-03.mgw.rr.com [24.93.40.214]
----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<3dldrex@satx.rr.com>
(reason: 550 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias: 3dldrex@satx.rr.com)
----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to ms-mta-03-pix.satx.rr.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 550 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias: 3dldrex@satx.rr.com
550 5.1.1 <3dldrex@satx.rr.com>... User unknown
<<< 554 5.5.0 No recipients have been specified.
Reporting-MTA: dns; nymx05.mgw.rr.com
Received-From-MTA: DNS; austtx-mx-03.mgw.rr.com
Arrival-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:17:08 -0500 (EST)
Final-Recipient: RFC822; 3dldrex@satx.rr.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; ms-mta-03-pix.satx.rr.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias:
3dldrex@satx.rr.com
Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:17:10 -0500 (EST)
Received: from austtx-mx-03.mgw.rr.com (austtx-mx-03.mgw.rr.com
[24.93.40.214])
by nymx05.mgw.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAAKDEih002837
for <3dldrex@satx.rr.com>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:17:08 -0500 (EST)
Received: from ip70-185-68-206.ma.dl.cox.net (HELO David.com)
(70.185.68.206)
by austtx-mx-03.mgw.rr.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 15:16:04 -0500
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:16:01 -0600
To: "" <3Dldrex@satx.rr.com>
From: "Lblodgett"
Subject: Re: Thank you!
Message-ID:
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
boundary="--------sxgihdfiocjrrawwnchm"
X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine
X-Virus-Scan-Result: Repaired 34272 W32.Beagle@mm!cpl
From lblodgett at glorypath.com Wed Nov 10 14:54:58 2004
From: lblodgett at glorypath.com (Larry Blodgett)
Date: Wed Nov 10 14:37:29 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] OT Strange Email Bounces
Message-ID:
I apologize if the list gets this twice.
I keep getting these bouncing emails. I AM NOT sending these yet they
keep coming.
Is someone spoofing my lblodgett@mac.com address to send spam???????
Received: from ip70-185-68-206.ma.dl.cox.net (HELO David.com)
(70.185.68.206)
Any helpful thoughts would be appreciated.
Larry Blodgett
lblodgett@glorypath.com
The original message was received at Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:17:08 -0500
(EST)
from austtx-mx-03.mgw.rr.com [24.93.40.214]
----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
<3dldrex@satx.rr.com>
(reason: 550 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias: 3dldrex@satx.rr.com)
----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to ms-mta-03-pix.satx.rr.com.:
>>> DATA
<<< 550 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias: 3dldrex@satx.rr.com
550 5.1.1 <3dldrex@satx.rr.com>... User unknown
<<< 554 5.5.0 No recipients have been specified.
Reporting-MTA: dns; nymx05.mgw.rr.com
Received-From-MTA: DNS; austtx-mx-03.mgw.rr.com
Arrival-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:17:08 -0500 (EST)
Final-Recipient: RFC822; 3dldrex@satx.rr.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; ms-mta-03-pix.satx.rr.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias:
3dldrex@satx.rr.com
Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:17:10 -0500 (EST)
Received: from austtx-mx-03.mgw.rr.com (austtx-mx-03.mgw.rr.com
[24.93.40.214])
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Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:16:01 -0600
To: "" <3Dldrex@satx.rr.com>
From: "Lblodgett"
Subject: Re: Thank you!
Message-ID:
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
boundary="--------sxgihdfiocjrrawwnchm"
X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine
X-Virus-Scan-Result: Repaired 34272 W32.Beagle@mm!cpl
From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Wed Nov 10 16:15:02 2004
From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars)
Date: Wed Nov 10 15:58:56 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Re: Gaming Server and Clients
In-Reply-To: <20041110201740.GA26468@Linux.satx.rr.com>
References: <20041110201740.GA26468@Linux.satx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <41923E86.6000509@cis.sac.accd.edu>
Steven Winston wrote:
> What type of game do you want?
I do not know anything about games--you choose. The students are
interested in something that they all play against each other.
> I'd be happy to help you setup from start to finish; there's plenty
> to choose from.
> Ofcourse, we could always get you setup with our game... Now that
> the Linux version is quite stable.
Glad to have the help. Let's set up a time when we can get together.
>
> --
> Steven Winston
> Global Gaming Innovations, LLC
>
> "Pok pok pok, P'kok!"
> -- Superchicken
> _______________________________________________
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> Satlug@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>
>
From scarolan at gmail.com Wed Nov 10 16:25:05 2004
From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan)
Date: Wed Nov 10 16:07:44 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Shell script to fill out a web-based form
In-Reply-To: <41919B4C.3050202@web-1hosting.net>
References: <277020fc0411091833394f5cd6@mail.gmail.com>
<4191877B.3060800@liberto.org> <41919B4C.3050202@web-1hosting.net>
Message-ID: <277020fc041110142512857552@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, 09 Nov 2004 22:38:36 -0600, Travis Miller
wrote:
> Hello Sean,
>
> My business partner is actually working for a company that does the very same
> thing (and more) with Adwords. They use curl w/ PHP to do what is called
> "screen scraping". Basically, you use curl to download the page, and then parse
> it and create another request (GET or POST depending) to continue along the
> process. I can't remember what the name of the company he is contracting for is
> at the moment - I will try to remember to post tomorrow if you are interested.
Travis:
I'm *very* interested in getting my hands on a screen scraper that
would do that for me. Please send me any more info that you can.
thanks
Sean
From cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com Wed Nov 10 17:42:24 2004
From: cd_satl at futuretechsolutions.com (Charles D Hogan)
Date: Wed Nov 10 17:25:32 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] OT Strange Email Bounces
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <4192A760.7020609@futuretechsolutions.com>
From looking at the message, it appears as though a viri is spoofing
your address. I have one inbound only address that gets about 15 to 20
viri bounces a week. Can't really do too much about it, and not too much
to worry about.
Charles
Larry Blodgett wrote:
> I apologize if the list gets this twice.
>
> I keep getting these bouncing emails. I AM NOT sending these yet they
> keep coming.
>
> Is someone spoofing my lblodgett@mac.com address to send spam???????
>
> Received: from ip70-185-68-206.ma.dl.cox.net (HELO David.com)
> (70.185.68.206)
>
> Any helpful thoughts would be appreciated.
>
> Larry Blodgett
> lblodgett@glorypath.com
>
>
> The original message was received at Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:17:08 -0500
> (EST)
> from austtx-mx-03.mgw.rr.com [24.93.40.214]
>
> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> <3dldrex@satx.rr.com>
> (reason: 550 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias: 3dldrex@satx.rr.com)
>
> ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> ... while talking to ms-mta-03-pix.satx.rr.com.:
>
>>>> DATA
>>>
> <<< 550 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias: 3dldrex@satx.rr.com
> 550 5.1.1 <3dldrex@satx.rr.com>... User unknown
> <<< 554 5.5.0 No recipients have been specified.
> Reporting-MTA: dns; nymx05.mgw.rr.com
> Received-From-MTA: DNS; austtx-mx-03.mgw.rr.com
> Arrival-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:17:08 -0500 (EST)
>
> Final-Recipient: RFC822; 3dldrex@satx.rr.com
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.1.1
> Remote-MTA: DNS; ms-mta-03-pix.satx.rr.com
> Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias:
> 3dldrex@satx.rr.com
> Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:17:10 -0500 (EST)
> Received: from austtx-mx-03.mgw.rr.com (austtx-mx-03.mgw.rr.com
> [24.93.40.214])
> by nymx05.mgw.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAAKDEih002837
> for <3dldrex@satx.rr.com>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:17:08 -0500 (EST)
> Received: from ip70-185-68-206.ma.dl.cox.net (HELO David.com)
> (70.185.68.206)
> by austtx-mx-03.mgw.rr.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 15:16:04 -0500
> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:16:01 -0600
> To: "" <3Dldrex@satx.rr.com>
> From: "Lblodgett"
> Subject: Re: Thank you!
> Message-ID:
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
> boundary="--------sxgihdfiocjrrawwnchm"
> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine
> X-Virus-Scan-Result: Repaired 34272 W32.Beagle@mm!cpl
>
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>
>
From david.salisbury at momentumweb.com Wed Nov 10 18:10:06 2004
From: david.salisbury at momentumweb.com (David Salisbury)
Date: Wed Nov 10 17:52:47 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Apache issue
Message-ID: <071a01c4c782$d2410950$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk>
I've got a virtual hosting question on Apache if anyone's had any experience
with such a topic.
Here's what's happening, which is not quite what I want:
I've got a web server running just like it should, working fine. If you go
to it by its name or by IP address, everything is working fine. I've now,
where our DNS is housed, set up another web address (say,
www.anotherwebaddress.com, just an example, have no clue if that's a real
site) to point to this same IP address. I've added a block to
my httpd.conf, restarted apache, and wah-lah, www.anotherwebaddress.com
pulls up like I imagined. Problem is, now, if I reference the site by IP
address, it ALSO pulls up whatever www.anotherwebaddress.com pulls up! I
don't want it to do that, I want it to continue pulling up the original
DocumentRoot like it was before I added the block.
So it seems that adding that block is, in effect, changing the
DocumentRoot for the whole server. Anybody know a directive I can put in
that will short circuit that from happening, or at least know why it may be
happening?
Thanks,
David
From lug at eth0.us Wed Nov 10 19:18:51 2004
From: lug at eth0.us (John)
Date: Wed Nov 10 18:04:23 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Apache issue
In-Reply-To: <071a01c4c782$d2410950$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk>
Message-ID: <000001c4c784$6c7b0ab0$0401000a@deacnet.wfu.edu>
Apache will use the first virtualhost if no virtualhost is setup for the ip.
Try adding a separate virtualhost entry using an ip (like below).
See how that works out for you.
Regards,
John
-----Original Message-----
From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf
Of David Salisbury
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 7:10 PM
To: The San Antonio Linux User's GroupMailing List
Subject: [SATLUG] Apache issue
I've got a virtual hosting question on Apache if anyone's had any experience
with such a topic.
Here's what's happening, which is not quite what I want:
I've got a web server running just like it should, working fine. If you go
to it by its name or by IP address, everything is working fine. I've now,
where our DNS is housed, set up another web address (say,
www.anotherwebaddress.com, just an example, have no clue if that's a real
site) to point to this same IP address. I've added a block to
my httpd.conf, restarted apache, and wah-lah, www.anotherwebaddress.com
pulls up like I imagined. Problem is, now, if I reference the site by IP
address, it ALSO pulls up whatever www.anotherwebaddress.com pulls up! I
don't want it to do that, I want it to continue pulling up the original
DocumentRoot like it was before I added the block.
So it seems that adding that block is, in effect, changing the
DocumentRoot for the whole server. Anybody know a directive I can put in
that will short circuit that from happening, or at least know why it may be
happening?
Thanks,
David
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From country at the-cia.net Wed Nov 10 18:57:35 2004
From: country at the-cia.net (cb)
Date: Wed Nov 10 18:41:56 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] OT Strange Email Bounces
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <4192B8FF.8030608@the-cia.net>
Larry,
That is coming from someone who has your email addy in their email
addresses, and have a virus, it is sending out the email under your
name, and when it bounces it comes back to you. I get them all the
time too, and ignore them..
Glenn T.
Larry Blodgett wrote:
> I apologize if the list gets this twice.
>
> I keep getting these bouncing emails. I AM NOT sending these yet they
> keep coming.
>
> Is someone spoofing my lblodgett@mac.com address to send spam???????
>
> Received: from ip70-185-68-206.ma.dl.cox.net (HELO David.com)
> (70.185.68.206)
>
> Any helpful thoughts would be appreciated.
>
> Larry Blodgett
> lblodgett@glorypath.com
>
>
> The original message was received at Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:17:08 -0500
> (EST)
> from austtx-mx-03.mgw.rr.com [24.93.40.214]
>
> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> <3dldrex@satx.rr.com>
> (reason: 550 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias: 3dldrex@satx.rr.com)
>
> ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> ... while talking to ms-mta-03-pix.satx.rr.com.:
>
>>>> DATA
>>>
> <<< 550 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias: 3dldrex@satx.rr.com
> 550 5.1.1 <3dldrex@satx.rr.com>... User unknown
> <<< 554 5.5.0 No recipients have been specified.
> Reporting-MTA: dns; nymx05.mgw.rr.com
> Received-From-MTA: DNS; austtx-mx-03.mgw.rr.com
> Arrival-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:17:08 -0500 (EST)
>
> Final-Recipient: RFC822; 3dldrex@satx.rr.com
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.1.1
> Remote-MTA: DNS; ms-mta-03-pix.satx.rr.com
> Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias:
> 3dldrex@satx.rr.com
> Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:17:10 -0500 (EST)
> Received: from austtx-mx-03.mgw.rr.com (austtx-mx-03.mgw.rr.com
> [24.93.40.214])
> by nymx05.mgw.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAAKDEih002837
> for <3dldrex@satx.rr.com>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:17:08 -0500 (EST)
> Received: from ip70-185-68-206.ma.dl.cox.net (HELO David.com)
> (70.185.68.206)
> by austtx-mx-03.mgw.rr.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 15:16:04 -0500
> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:16:01 -0600
> To: "" <3Dldrex@satx.rr.com>
> From: "Lblodgett"
> Subject: Re: Thank you!
> Message-ID:
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
> boundary="--------sxgihdfiocjrrawwnchm"
> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine
> X-Virus-Scan-Result: Repaired 34272 W32.Beagle@mm!cpl
>
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From satlug at vinny.us Wed Nov 10 20:59:11 2004
From: satlug at vinny.us (Vinny)
Date: Wed Nov 10 20:43:54 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Apache issue
In-Reply-To: <071a01c4c782$d2410950$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk>
References: <071a01c4c782$d2410950$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk>
Message-ID: <4192D57F.5090006@vinny.us>
This is what I have. Note the "mainwebaddress" is the server name...
#-------Begin httpd.conf virtual host entry------
NameVirtualHost *
DocumentRoot /var/www/html
ServerName www.mainwebaddress.com
ServerAlias mainwebaddress.com
CustomLog logs/mainwebaddress.com_access_log combined
DocumentRoot /var/www/html/newwebaddress
Servername www.newwebaddress.com
ServerAlias newwebaddress.com
CustomLog logs/newwebaddress.com_access_log combined
#-------End httpd.conf virtual host entry------
Hope this helps
Vinny Huckaba
RCS Inc.
http://www.sawebhosting.com
David Salisbury wrote:
> I've got a virtual hosting question on Apache if anyone's had any
> experience with such a topic.
>
> Here's what's happening, which is not quite what I want:
>
> I've got a web server running just like it should, working fine. If you
> go to it by its name or by IP address, everything is working fine. I've
> now, where our DNS is housed, set up another web address (say,
> www.anotherwebaddress.com, just an example, have no clue if that's a
> real site) to point to this same IP address. I've added a
> block to my httpd.conf, restarted apache, and wah-lah,
> www.anotherwebaddress.com pulls up like I imagined. Problem is, now, if
> I reference the site by IP address, it ALSO pulls up whatever
> www.anotherwebaddress.com pulls up! I don't want it to do that, I want
> it to continue pulling up the original DocumentRoot like it was before I
> added the block.
>
> So it seems that adding that block is, in effect, changing
> the DocumentRoot for the whole server. Anybody know a directive I can
> put in that will short circuit that from happening, or at least know why
> it may be happening?
>
> Thanks,
> David
>
> _______________________________________________
> Satlug mailing list
> Satlug@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>
From dean.mccall at nvision2020.com Wed Nov 10 21:04:50 2004
From: dean.mccall at nvision2020.com (Dean McCall)
Date: Wed Nov 10 20:47:25 2004
Subject: FW: Fwd: [SATLUG] Gaming Server and Clients
Message-ID: <200411110247.iAB2lLY10560@alamo.satlug.org>
I asked a friend and here was his response...you can contact directly :)
dean
-----Original Message-----
From: Dolph Mathews [mailto:dolph@icadium.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 7:34 PM
To: Ed Preston; Dean McCall
Subject: Re: Fwd: [SATLUG] Gaming Server and Clients
They need to setup a gaming server on a linux platform? Or to run the
lan party (admissions, coordination etc)? For the latter, not all games
have a linux based server available, almost all have windows solutions.
As for running a lanparty, I've got a lan party website setup to help
prepare for an event at http://icadium.com/ikdm/lanparty.php ... Let me
know what you need, I'd be glad to help.
-Dolph
From mattvaldes at satx.rr.com Wed Nov 10 21:09:19 2004
From: mattvaldes at satx.rr.com (Matt Valdes)
Date: Wed Nov 10 20:52:22 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Apache issue
In-Reply-To: <071a01c4c782$d2410950$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk>
Message-ID: <000001c4c79b$d6186dc0$6400a8c0@Compaq>
As may have been explained in a previous post, you need a
block for the original address, as well as the new address (which you
already entered). The www.anotherwebaddress.com block should be listed
second.
This documentation is extremely helpful. It may fill in some blanks.
http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/vhosts/name-based.html
-Matt
-----Original Message-----
From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On
Behalf Of David Salisbury
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 6:10 PM
To: The San Antonio Linux User's GroupMailing List
Subject: [SATLUG] Apache issue
I've got a virtual hosting question on Apache if anyone's had any
experience
with such a topic.
Here's what's happening, which is not quite what I want:
I've got a web server running just like it should, working fine. If you
go
to it by its name or by IP address, everything is working fine. I've
now,
where our DNS is housed, set up another web address (say,
www.anotherwebaddress.com, just an example, have no clue if that's a
real
site) to point to this same IP address. I've added a
block to
my httpd.conf, restarted apache, and wah-lah, www.anotherwebaddress.com
pulls up like I imagined. Problem is, now, if I reference the site by
IP
address, it ALSO pulls up whatever www.anotherwebaddress.com pulls up!
I
don't want it to do that, I want it to continue pulling up the original
DocumentRoot like it was before I added the block.
So it seems that adding that block is, in effect, changing
the
DocumentRoot for the whole server. Anybody know a directive I can put
in
that will short circuit that from happening, or at least know why it may
be
happening?
Thanks,
David
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From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Wed Nov 10 21:12:14 2004
From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher)
Date: Wed Nov 10 20:54:51 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Apache issue
In-Reply-To: <4192D57F.5090006@vinny.us>
References: <071a01c4c782$d2410950$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk>
<4192D57F.5090006@vinny.us>
Message-ID: <128bff2f04111019127adcb751@mail.gmail.com>
you need to add the following for the main site
DocumentRoot /var/www/html
ServerName www.mainwebaddress.com
ServerAlias mainwebaddress.com
CustomLog logs/mainwebaddress.com_access_log combined
this would allow if you enter the IP address that Apache will send
them to the main site. This is also a fix for older browsers that
don't sed data correctly.
Zeb
On Wed, 10 Nov 2004 20:59:11 -0600, Vinny wrote:
> This is what I have. Note the "mainwebaddress" is the server name...
>
> #-------Begin httpd.conf virtual host entry------
>
> NameVirtualHost *
>
>
> DocumentRoot /var/www/html
> ServerName www.mainwebaddress.com
> ServerAlias mainwebaddress.com
> CustomLog logs/mainwebaddress.com_access_log combined
>
>
>
> DocumentRoot /var/www/html/newwebaddress
> Servername www.newwebaddress.com
> ServerAlias newwebaddress.com
> CustomLog logs/newwebaddress.com_access_log combined
>
>
> #-------End httpd.conf virtual host entry------
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Vinny Huckaba
> RCS Inc.
> http://www.sawebhosting.com
>
>
>
>
> David Salisbury wrote:
> > I've got a virtual hosting question on Apache if anyone's had any
> > experience with such a topic.
> >
> > Here's what's happening, which is not quite what I want:
> >
> > I've got a web server running just like it should, working fine. If you
> > go to it by its name or by IP address, everything is working fine. I've
> > now, where our DNS is housed, set up another web address (say,
> > www.anotherwebaddress.com, just an example, have no clue if that's a
> > real site) to point to this same IP address. I've added a
> > block to my httpd.conf, restarted apache, and wah-lah,
> > www.anotherwebaddress.com pulls up like I imagined. Problem is, now, if
> > I reference the site by IP address, it ALSO pulls up whatever
> > www.anotherwebaddress.com pulls up! I don't want it to do that, I want
> > it to continue pulling up the original DocumentRoot like it was before I
> > added the block.
> >
> > So it seems that adding that block is, in effect, changing
> > the DocumentRoot for the whole server. Anybody know a directive I can
> > put in that will short circuit that from happening, or at least know why
> > it may be happening?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > David
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Satlug mailing list
> > Satlug@satlug.org
> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
> >
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> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>
From me at jchampion.com Wed Nov 10 21:13:42 2004
From: me at jchampion.com (John Champion)
Date: Wed Nov 10 20:56:22 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] OT Strange Email Bounces
References:
Message-ID: <008601c4c79c$7811baf0$0200a8c0@blackhole1>
larry,
this is part of the latest beagle outbreak.
don't worry about it as the email is not coming from you.
just the same...make sure you're practicing safe software...update your
definitions on your windows boxes..just in case you happen to get a live
one.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Blodgett"
To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List"
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 2:54 PM
Subject: [SATLUG] OT Strange Email Bounces
> I apologize if the list gets this twice.
>
> I keep getting these bouncing emails. I AM NOT sending these yet they
> keep coming.
>
> Is someone spoofing my lblodgett@mac.com address to send spam???????
>
> Received: from ip70-185-68-206.ma.dl.cox.net (HELO David.com)
> (70.185.68.206)
>
> Any helpful thoughts would be appreciated.
>
> Larry Blodgett
> lblodgett@glorypath.com
>
>
> The original message was received at Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:17:08 -0500
> (EST)
> from austtx-mx-03.mgw.rr.com [24.93.40.214]
>
> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
> <3dldrex@satx.rr.com>
> (reason: 550 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias: 3dldrex@satx.rr.com)
>
> ----- Transcript of session follows -----
> ... while talking to ms-mta-03-pix.satx.rr.com.:
> >>> DATA
> <<< 550 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias: 3dldrex@satx.rr.com
> 550 5.1.1 <3dldrex@satx.rr.com>... User unknown
> <<< 554 5.5.0 No recipients have been specified.
> Reporting-MTA: dns; nymx05.mgw.rr.com
> Received-From-MTA: DNS; austtx-mx-03.mgw.rr.com
> Arrival-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:17:08 -0500 (EST)
>
> Final-Recipient: RFC822; 3dldrex@satx.rr.com
> Action: failed
> Status: 5.1.1
> Remote-MTA: DNS; ms-mta-03-pix.satx.rr.com
> Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias:
> 3dldrex@satx.rr.com
> Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:17:10 -0500 (EST)
> Received: from austtx-mx-03.mgw.rr.com (austtx-mx-03.mgw.rr.com
> [24.93.40.214])
> by nymx05.mgw.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAAKDEih002837
> for <3dldrex@satx.rr.com>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:17:08 -0500 (EST)
> Received: from ip70-185-68-206.ma.dl.cox.net (HELO David.com)
> (70.185.68.206)
> by austtx-mx-03.mgw.rr.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 15:16:04 -0500
> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:16:01 -0600
> To: "" <3Dldrex@satx.rr.com>
> From: "Lblodgett"
> Subject: Re: Thank you!
> Message-ID:
> MIME-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
> boundary="--------sxgihdfiocjrrawwnchm"
> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine
> X-Virus-Scan-Result: Repaired 34272 W32.Beagle@mm!cpl
>
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From ub at paisd.net Wed Nov 10 22:14:06 2004
From: ub at paisd.net (Leif Johnson)
Date: Wed Nov 10 21:42:22 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] OT fiber link
In-Reply-To: <41917504.1010807@liberto.org>
Message-ID:
Thanks Compadres:
It was a mismatch on the switches.
We got it working this afternoon.
Sincerely,
-Leif Johnson
Port Aransas ISD
100 Station St
Port Aransas Tx 78373
361 749-1200 ext. 316
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004, Andrew Hodel wrote:
|There should be a lnk tst button on the devices, from what I read it
|seems that there is a missing link feature on that model that will kill
|the fiber link if the UTP link is not there. This is to let the other
|end (switch) know that the UTP link is down. When you press the lnk tst
|button it should give a link regardless of UTP port status. You may
|also want to try and use a short piece of fiber that you know is good.
|
|There could also be a duplex mode mismatch on the switches you are
|connecting them to, if the switches are not auto mdi/mdi-x
|
|look at:
|http://www.alliedtelesyn.co.uk/site/files/supportdocs/at50291a.pdf if
|you have more problems.
|
|
|
|
|Andrew
|
|Leif Johnson wrote:
|
|>We just ran 100' of fiber between two buildings at an elementary school
|>here in Port Aransas. I can see light in the fiber with a flashlight so
|>the link appears good. I have two Allied Telison MC13 media converters
|>connected, but I can't get a link light on the fiber ports.
|>
|>Does someone know of something funny with these converters that I should
|>be aware of?
|>
|>Sincerely,
|>-Leif Johnson
|>Port Aransas ISD
|>100 Station St
|>Port Aransas Tx 78373
|>361 749-1200 ext. 316
|>
|>
|>
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|>
|>
|
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From lblodgett at glorypath.com Wed Nov 10 22:55:06 2004
From: lblodgett at glorypath.com (Larry Blodgett)
Date: Wed Nov 10 22:38:53 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] OT Strange Email Bounces
In-Reply-To: <4192A760.7020609@futuretechsolutions.com>
References:
<4192A760.7020609@futuretechsolutions.com>
Message-ID:
Thanks, Charles
On Nov 10, 2004, at 5:42 PM, Charles D Hogan wrote:
> From looking at the message, it appears as though a viri is spoofing
> your address. I have one inbound only address that gets about 15 to 20
> viri bounces a week. Can't really do too much about it, and not too
> much to worry about.
>
> Charles
>
> Larry Blodgett wrote:
>
>> I apologize if the list gets this twice.
>>
>> I keep getting these bouncing emails. I AM NOT sending these yet they
>> keep coming.
>>
>> Is someone spoofing my lblodgett@mac.com address to send spam???????
>>
>> Received: from ip70-185-68-206.ma.dl.cox.net (HELO David.com)
>> (70.185.68.206)
>>
>> Any helpful thoughts would be appreciated.
>>
>> Larry Blodgett
>> lblodgett@glorypath.com
>>
>>
>> The original message was received at Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:17:08 -0500
>> (EST)
>> from austtx-mx-03.mgw.rr.com [24.93.40.214]
>>
>> ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----
>> <3dldrex@satx.rr.com>
>> (reason: 550 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias: 3dldrex@satx.rr.com)
>>
>> ----- Transcript of session follows -----
>> ... while talking to ms-mta-03-pix.satx.rr.com.:
>>
>>>>> DATA
>>>>
>> <<< 550 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias: 3dldrex@satx.rr.com
>> 550 5.1.1 <3dldrex@satx.rr.com>... User unknown
>> <<< 554 5.5.0 No recipients have been specified.
>> Reporting-MTA: dns; nymx05.mgw.rr.com
>> Received-From-MTA: DNS; austtx-mx-03.mgw.rr.com
>> Arrival-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:17:08 -0500 (EST)
>>
>> Final-Recipient: RFC822; 3dldrex@satx.rr.com
>> Action: failed
>> Status: 5.1.1
>> Remote-MTA: DNS; ms-mta-03-pix.satx.rr.com
>> Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 5.1.1 unknown or illegal alias:
>> 3dldrex@satx.rr.com
>> Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:17:10 -0500 (EST)
>> Received: from austtx-mx-03.mgw.rr.com (austtx-mx-03.mgw.rr.com
>> [24.93.40.214])
>> by nymx05.mgw.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.8) with ESMTP id iAAKDEih002837
>> for <3dldrex@satx.rr.com>; Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:17:08 -0500 (EST)
>> Received: from ip70-185-68-206.ma.dl.cox.net (HELO David.com)
>> (70.185.68.206)
>> by austtx-mx-03.mgw.rr.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2004 15:16:04 -0500
>> Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:16:01 -0600
>> To: "" <3Dldrex@satx.rr.com>
>> From: "Lblodgett"
>> Subject: Re: Thank you!
>> Message-ID:
>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>> Content-Type: multipart/mixed;
>> boundary="--------sxgihdfiocjrrawwnchm"
>> X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine
>> X-Virus-Scan-Result: Repaired 34272 W32.Beagle@mm!cpl
>>
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From skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu Thu Nov 11 08:29:32 2004
From: skolars at cis.sac.accd.edu (steve kolars)
Date: Thu Nov 11 08:12:54 2004
Subject: FW: Fwd: [SATLUG] Gaming Server and Clients
In-Reply-To: <200411110247.iAB2lLY10560@alamo.satlug.org>
References: <200411110247.iAB2lLY10560@alamo.satlug.org>
Message-ID: <419322EC.3020606@cis.sac.accd.edu>
Dean McCall wrote:
>I asked a friend and here was his response...you can contact directly :)
>
>dean
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Dolph Mathews [mailto:dolph@icadium.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 7:34 PM
>To: Ed Preston; Dean McCall
>Subject: Re: Fwd: [SATLUG] Gaming Server and Clients
>
>They need to setup a gaming server on a linux platform? Or to run the
>lan party (admissions, coordination etc)? For the latter, not all games
>have a linux based server available, almost all have windows solutions.
>As for running a lanparty, I've got a lan party website setup to help
>prepare for an event at http://icadium.com/ikdm/lanparty.php ... Let me
>know what you need, I'd be glad to help.
>
>-Dolph
>
>
>
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>
Thanks.
From david.salisbury at momentumweb.com Thu Nov 11 10:57:38 2004
From: david.salisbury at momentumweb.com (David Salisbury)
Date: Thu Nov 11 10:40:19 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Apache issue
References: <071a01c4c782$d2410950$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk>
<4192D57F.5090006@vinny.us> <128bff2f04111019127adcb751@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01bc01c4c80f$941ed610$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk>
OK, thanks everyone for your help! The referenced document at apache.org
gave me the insight I needed, I must have read a different document before
when I was at apache.org, so thanks for that reference Matt. For the
record, I ended up with this:
ServerName web.originalserver.com
NameVirtualHost *
ServerName web.originalserver.com
DocumentRoot /doc/root
ServerName web.newserver.com
DocumentRoot /doc/root/newserver
Turns out I had never actually put a ServerName definition in the config
(had no need earlier) but the docs at apache.org cleared that up and now the
server is behaving as I had envisioned! Thanks again to everyone for the
help!
David
From scarolan at gmail.com Thu Nov 11 12:31:32 2004
From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan)
Date: Thu Nov 11 12:14:05 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] htdig errors - not indexing site
Message-ID: <277020fc0411111031d66b57@mail.gmail.com>
I'm having a problem with htdig, maybe one of you can point me in the
right direction. This is the default install of htdig on Fedora Core
2, version 3.2.0b5-7. Heres what I did:
Set up start url as http://www.medicalresourceusa.com
Set limit_urls_to so it includes store.medicalresourceusa.com
But every time I run rundig to build the database, I just get a pile
of robots.txt errors. The problem is, there is no robots.txt file on
the server! Very frustrating to say the least. I just wanted to know
if anyone else had experienced this. I suppose this might be a bug,
it being a beta version and all, but I didn't expect such a
show-stopper to make it into any version of the software.
From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Nov 11 13:39:34 2004
From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann)
Date: Thu Nov 11 13:22:11 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] htdig errors - not indexing site
In-Reply-To: <277020fc0411111031d66b57@mail.gmail.com>
References: <277020fc0411111031d66b57@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79ec289f04111111397a3aa4fc@mail.gmail.com>
Sean, can your run rundig with -vv and copy/paste here?
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:31:32 -0600, Sean Carolan wrote:
> I'm having a problem with htdig, maybe one of you can point me in the
> right direction. This is the default install of htdig on Fedora Core
> 2, version 3.2.0b5-7. Heres what I did:
>
> Set up start url as http://www.medicalresourceusa.com
> Set limit_urls_to so it includes store.medicalresourceusa.com
>
> But every time I run rundig to build the database, I just get a pile
> of robots.txt errors. The problem is, there is no robots.txt file on
> the server! Very frustrating to say the least. I just wanted to know
> if anyone else had experienced this. I suppose this might be a bug,
> it being a beta version and all, but I didn't expect such a
> show-stopper to make it into any version of the software.
> _______________________________________________
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--
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From david.salisbury at momentumweb.com Thu Nov 11 14:20:02 2004
From: david.salisbury at momentumweb.com (David Salisbury)
Date: Thu Nov 11 14:02:41 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Running your own DNS - Pros and cons?
Message-ID: <00ba01c4c82b$d6844c80$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk>
Does anybody have any input as to the idea of running your own (Linux-based,
of course) DNS server? Are there any glaring cons, or any outstanding pros,
that just make running your own DNS server the way to go or not to go?
David
From hstreit at swri.edu Thu Nov 11 15:42:55 2004
From: hstreit at swri.edu (H. Streit)
Date: Thu Nov 11 15:25:14 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting notes?
Message-ID: <4193DCDF.60105@swri.edu>
Dammit, I had my shirt on and everything. Then I looked at the site
and found out that the meeting was yesterday...sheesh.
Anything interesting go on?
From wmail at wricomp.com Thu Nov 11 22:50:44 2004
From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright)
Date: Thu Nov 11 22:33:18 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Running your own DNS - Pros and cons?
In-Reply-To: <00ba01c4c82b$d6844c80$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk>
References: <00ba01c4c82b$d6844c80$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk>
Message-ID:
On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 14:20:02 -0600, "David Salisbury"
wrote:
>Does anybody have any input as to the idea of running your own (Linux-based,
>of course) DNS server? Are there any glaring cons, or any outstanding pros,
>that just make running your own DNS server the way to go or not to go?
I read that as: you have only one or two client machines and you're asking
about running your own DNS server instead of using your ISPs servers to
look up URLs on the 'Net. (If you run more than a handful of machines,
especially servers visible from the Internet, you probably would ask
differently.)
Recommendation: Sure, do it, either on your main box or another machine
on your LAN. It can be a good learning tool. You shouldn't expect much
difference in performance unless your ISP has frequent DNS service outages
or you have an application that pounds on DNS unusually hard.
Get "DNS and BIND, 4th edition" (O'Reilly 2001) from your favorite
bookseller (Half Price Books often has these) and study the first few
chapters. If you don't set up a domain, BIND defaults to being a
caching-only name server - just what I think you want.
Hint: Don't offer DNS services to boxes outside your network as that's
just another hole in the firewall. Remember to change /etc/resolv.conf on
your machines to point to the new server. Post details of the distro
you're using if you have setup questions.
Playing with your own private domain opens up a whole new level of fun -
but that's for another message. --Don
From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Fri Nov 12 00:47:39 2004
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks)
Date: Fri Nov 12 00:30:20 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Running your own DNS - Pros and cons?
In-Reply-To: <00ba01c4c82b$d6844c80$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk>
References: <00ba01c4c82b$d6844c80$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk>
Message-ID: <200411120047.39395.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
On Thursday 11 November 2004 02:20 pm, David Salisbury wrote:
> Does anybody have any input as to the idea of running your own
> (Linux-based, of course) DNS server? Are there any glaring cons, or any
> outstanding pros, that just make running your own DNS server the way to go
> or not to go?
In Chapter 12 of Linux Troubleshooting Bible:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/076456997X/
I go over setting up master & slave BIND9 DNS servers.. securing & locking
them down (chrooting and restricting zone xfers), and other common t-shooting
issues...
I cold give a my BIND DNS class for the group.. but the last time I gave a
four hour server daemon presentation and my follow up quiz.. I think everyone
in MY group thought that they were back in school and were board out of their
skulls. ;)
Tweeks
From sigemund at gmail.com Fri Nov 12 08:28:50 2004
From: sigemund at gmail.com (Mark)
Date: Fri Nov 12 08:11:30 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Denying connections from certain referrers
Message-ID:
This is probably a really simple question, but I can't seem to google
it very well -- not getting the answer I'm looking for.
I want to block connections to my webserver that come from certain
referrers. I've been hosting a few videos of Yao Ming highlights for
some folks at a message board I frequent. Well, someone posted those
links on the hoopschina.com message board, and now they get downloaded
over five times a minute from people referred by that site. How can I
disable connections that come from that referral URL?
Thanks,
Mark
From lug at eth0.us Fri Nov 12 10:02:15 2004
From: lug at eth0.us (John)
Date: Fri Nov 12 08:45:22 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Denying connections from certain referrers
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <000f01c4c8c8$9d233080$0401000a@deacnet.wfu.edu>
Hotlink protection is the term you need to search for. Take a look at
http://www.unixcities.com/apache/index1.html which should give you an idea
of what you need to do.
Regards,
John
-----Original Message-----
From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf
Of Mark
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 9:29 AM
To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List
Subject: [SATLUG] Denying connections from certain referrers
This is probably a really simple question, but I can't seem to google it
very well -- not getting the answer I'm looking for.
I want to block connections to my webserver that come from certain
referrers. I've been hosting a few videos of Yao Ming highlights for some
folks at a message board I frequent. Well, someone posted those links on
the hoopschina.com message board, and now they get downloaded over five
times a minute from people referred by that site. How can I disable
connections that come from that referral URL?
Thanks,
Mark
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From jeremymann at gmail.com Fri Nov 12 09:21:50 2004
From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann)
Date: Fri Nov 12 09:04:25 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Denying connections from certain referrers
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <79ec289f041112072174ece87f@mail.gmail.com>
We do something of the same and I use a .htaccess file in that
directory. You can do something like this:
order allow,deny
deny from somedomain.com
allow from all
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 08:28:50 -0600, Mark wrote:
> This is probably a really simple question, but I can't seem to google
> it very well -- not getting the answer I'm looking for.
>
> I want to block connections to my webserver that come from certain
> referrers. I've been hosting a few videos of Yao Ming highlights for
> some folks at a message board I frequent. Well, someone posted those
> links on the hoopschina.com message board, and now they get downloaded
> over five times a minute from people referred by that site. How can I
> disable connections that come from that referral URL?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark
> _______________________________________________
> Satlug mailing list
> Satlug@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>
--
Jeremy
From channing-c at satx.rr.com Fri Nov 12 09:43:40 2004
From: channing-c at satx.rr.com (Channing)
Date: Fri Nov 12 09:26:11 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Running your own DNS - Pros and cons?
In-Reply-To: <200411120047.39395.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
References: <00ba01c4c82b$d6844c80$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk>
<200411120047.39395.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
Message-ID: <4194DA2C.8020004@satx.rr.com>
Tom Weeks wrote:
>On Thursday 11 November 2004 02:20 pm, David Salisbury wrote:
>
>
>>Does anybody have any input as to the idea of running your own
>>(Linux-based, of course) DNS server? Are there any glaring cons, or any
>>outstanding pros, that just make running your own DNS server the way to go
>>or not to go?
>>
>>
>
>In Chapter 12 of Linux Troubleshooting Bible:
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/076456997X/
>I go over setting up master & slave BIND9 DNS servers.. securing & locking
>them down (chrooting and restricting zone xfers), and other common t-shooting
>issues...
>
>I cold give a my BIND DNS class for the group.. but the last time I gave a
>four hour server daemon presentation and my follow up quiz.. I think everyone
>in MY group thought that they were back in school and were board out of their
>skulls. ;)
>
>Tweeks
>
>
>
While four hours is probably twice as long as most would want to spend
on a topic, I'd be interested if that was a serious proposal (provided
you were interested in cutting the time down).
Channing
From h_oudini at hotmail.com Fri Nov 12 16:23:04 2004
From: h_oudini at hotmail.com (Kase Saylor)
Date: Fri Nov 12 10:06:38 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] FC3 and nVidia FYI
Message-ID:
I'm sure no one on this would actually use Fedora, but just in case...
I recently installed FC3 and I'm very happy with the product overall. The
only "snag" I had was getting the nVidia driver to work. I installed the
latest driver from nVidia (1.0-6629) and when I started X, everything looked
great. glxgears was reporting over 2600 fps. Life was good. Then I rebooted
and the system locked up! Fortunately I found out that this had to do with
udev, and after doing the following, everything is working great again:
upgrade udev (I used yum update udev)
Then
cp -a /dev/nvidia* /etc/udev/devices
chown root.root /etc/udev/devices/nvidia*
I just thought I'd post this in the hopes that it might save someone else
some time if they are trying to use FC3 and nVidia.
Regards,
Kase
From chuck at tetlow.net Fri Nov 12 10:56:24 2004
From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck)
Date: Fri Nov 12 10:38:58 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting notes
Message-ID: <1100278586.1106.81.camel@laptop>
November's meeting.
For you Hams who missed the meeting Wednesday evening -- you didn't
completely miss out. Our Vice, Jeremy, was under the weather and
couldn't make the meeting. So, his presentation on Linux Ham Radio
will have to wait till another time.
In the meantime, Tom Weeks gave a very concise and through presentation
on the RedHat RHCT and RHCE certifications. Since this seems to be the
only Linux certification that is making headway and expanding, it was a
good subject. (Please, no flame wars from you LCI proponents. It just
doesn't seem to be catching on.)
After watching Tom's presentation on the certifications and what's
covered -- I've realized just how much I *DON'T* know. There is a whole
lot more to Linux than we typically use. And it appears that RedHat's
tests are very through in testing ALL these installations / aspects /
configurations / setups. Don't even THINK about going for that test
until you've throughly prepared!
Thanks for an excellent presentation Tom and for stepping up to the
plate on short notice. Now, to get down to studying...
Chuck
From chuck at tetlow.net Fri Nov 12 11:01:57 2004
From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck)
Date: Fri Nov 12 10:44:31 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] RedHat Fedore Core 3
Message-ID: <1100278921.1110.87.camel@laptop>
Also at Wednesday's meeting was one of our members with DVD-Rs of
RedHat's Fedora Core 3.
He was kind enough to provide one to me and I'm currently uploading an
ISO of it to my server. Its taking forever with this slow RR upload
speed. But as soon as its there, I'll pass out the URL and everyone can
have access to the ISO. It is 2.4 Gig by the way!
Sorry, I didn't get our member's name -- can someone please give credit
where its due??
And Jeremy -- if you're feeling up to it, I can get this to you in the
next couple days to put on your server too. Let me know if you want it.
Chuck
From hstreit at swri.edu Fri Nov 12 11:05:04 2004
From: hstreit at swri.edu (H. Streit)
Date: Fri Nov 12 10:47:20 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] RedHat Fedore Core 3
In-Reply-To: <1100278921.1110.87.camel@laptop>
References: <1100278921.1110.87.camel@laptop>
Message-ID: <4194ED40.2090508@swri.edu>
Chuck,
Thanks for the updates on the meetings. Out of curiosity, will the
fc3 dvd .iso have an md5sum? :)
Chuck wrote:
> Also at Wednesday's meeting was one of our members with DVD-Rs of
> RedHat's Fedora Core 3.
>
> He was kind enough to provide one to me and I'm currently uploading an
> ISO of it to my server. Its taking forever with this slow RR upload
> speed. But as soon as its there, I'll pass out the URL and everyone can
> have access to the ISO. It is 2.4 Gig by the way!
>
> Sorry, I didn't get our member's name -- can someone please give credit
> where its due??
>
> And Jeremy -- if you're feeling up to it, I can get this to you in the
> next couple days to put on your server too. Let me know if you want it.
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
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From chuck at tetlow.net Fri Nov 12 11:09:48 2004
From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck)
Date: Fri Nov 12 10:52:21 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] RedHat Fedore Core 3
In-Reply-To: <4194ED40.2090508@swri.edu>
References: <1100278921.1110.87.camel@laptop> <4194ED40.2090508@swri.edu>
Message-ID: <1100279391.1110.90.camel@laptop>
Well,
Since I created the ISO myself -- I guess I could create a MD5SUM of the
ISO. I hadn't yet. But I'll put my server working on that right now.
By the time that ISO finished uploading (another 15 hours according to
SCP) -- I'll have the MD5SUM there too.
Chuck
On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 11:05, H. Streit wrote:
> Chuck,
> Thanks for the updates on the meetings. Out of curiosity, will the
> fc3 dvd .iso have an md5sum? :)
>
> Chuck wrote:
> > Also at Wednesday's meeting was one of our members with DVD-Rs of
> > RedHat's Fedora Core 3.
> >
> > He was kind enough to provide one to me and I'm currently uploading an
> > ISO of it to my server. Its taking forever with this slow RR upload
> > speed. But as soon as its there, I'll pass out the URL and everyone can
> > have access to the ISO. It is 2.4 Gig by the way!
> >
> > Sorry, I didn't get our member's name -- can someone please give credit
> > where its due??
> >
> > And Jeremy -- if you're feeling up to it, I can get this to you in the
> > next couple days to put on your server too. Let me know if you want it.
> >
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From eli at then7.com Fri Nov 12 11:15:12 2004
From: eli at then7.com (Eli)
Date: Fri Nov 12 11:04:51 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] FC3 and nVidia FYI
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <33267.208.191.193.72.1100279712.squirrel@208.191.193.72>
thanks for the headsup. i'm sure a lot of ppl use fedora.
~e
On Fri, November 12, 2004 10:23 am, Kase Saylor said:
> I'm sure no one on this would actually use Fedora, but just in case...
>
> I recently installed FC3 and I'm very happy with the product overall. The
> only "snag" I had was getting the nVidia driver to work. I installed the
> latest driver from nVidia (1.0-6629) and when I started X, everything
> looked
> great. glxgears was reporting over 2600 fps. Life was good. Then I
> rebooted
> and the system locked up! Fortunately I found out that this had to do with
> udev, and after doing the following, everything is working great again:
>
> upgrade udev (I used yum update udev)
> Then
> cp -a /dev/nvidia* /etc/udev/devices
> chown root.root /etc/udev/devices/nvidia*
>
> I just thought I'd post this in the hopes that it might save someone else
> some time if they are trying to use FC3 and nVidia.
>
> Regards,
>
> Kase
>
>
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>
From hstreit at swri.edu Fri Nov 12 11:32:17 2004
From: hstreit at swri.edu (H. Streit)
Date: Fri Nov 12 11:14:32 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] RedHat Fedore Core 3
In-Reply-To: <1100279391.1110.90.camel@laptop>
References: <1100278921.1110.87.camel@laptop> <4194ED40.2090508@swri.edu>
<1100279391.1110.90.camel@laptop>
Message-ID: <4194F3A1.4010600@swri.edu>
Thank you!
Chuck wrote:
> Well,
>
> Since I created the ISO myself -- I guess I could create a MD5SUM of the
> ISO. I hadn't yet. But I'll put my server working on that right now.
>
> By the time that ISO finished uploading (another 15 hours according to
> SCP) -- I'll have the MD5SUM there too.
>
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 11:05, H. Streit wrote:
>
>>Chuck,
>> Thanks for the updates on the meetings. Out of curiosity, will the
>>fc3 dvd .iso have an md5sum? :)
>>
>>Chuck wrote:
>>
>>>Also at Wednesday's meeting was one of our members with DVD-Rs of
>>>RedHat's Fedora Core 3.
>>>
>>>He was kind enough to provide one to me and I'm currently uploading an
>>>ISO of it to my server. Its taking forever with this slow RR upload
>>>speed. But as soon as its there, I'll pass out the URL and everyone can
>>>have access to the ISO. It is 2.4 Gig by the way!
>>>
>>>Sorry, I didn't get our member's name -- can someone please give credit
>>>where its due??
>>>
>>>And Jeremy -- if you're feeling up to it, I can get this to you in the
>>>next couple days to put on your server too. Let me know if you want it.
>>>
>>>
>>>Chuck
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>Satlug mailing list
>>>Satlug@satlug.org
>>>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>>>
>>
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From hstreit at swri.edu Fri Nov 12 11:38:26 2004
From: hstreit at swri.edu (H. Streit)
Date: Fri Nov 12 11:20:41 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Gentoo, nVidia & 2.6.10-rc1 (Was: FC3 and nVidia FYI)
In-Reply-To: <33267.208.191.193.72.1100279712.squirrel@208.191.193.72>
References:
<33267.208.191.193.72.1100279712.squirrel@208.191.193.72>
Message-ID: <4194F512.2090208@swri.edu>
Speaking of nVidia...
Last night I emerged development-sources (2.6.10-rc1) and
nvidia-kernel. Now the friggin driver won't load...
# modprobe nvidia
FATAL: Error inserting nvidia
(/lib/modules/2.6.10-rc1/video/nvidia.ko):
Invalid module format
I've checked my .config file for any options that might break
"binary-only" modules. None are set that I can tell...
I've been researching this issue on and off today, and luckily I've
found that I'm not the only one...
Out of curiosity, any Gentoo users here have the same issue?
Have you found a fix? (I'm using the 'nv' driver from x.org for the
moment, no GL tho' :( )
Eli wrote:
> thanks for the headsup. i'm sure a lot of ppl use fedora.
> ~e
>
> On Fri, November 12, 2004 10:23 am, Kase Saylor said:
>>I'm sure no one on this would actually use Fedora, but just in case...
>>I recently installed FC3 and I'm very happy with the product overall. The
>>only "snag" I had was getting the nVidia driver to work. I installed the
>>latest driver from nVidia (1.0-6629) and when I started X, everything
>>looked
>>great. glxgears was reporting over 2600 fps. Life was good. Then I
>>rebooted
>>and the system locked up! Fortunately I found out that this had to do with
>>udev, and after doing the following, everything is working great again:
>>
>>upgrade udev (I used yum update udev)
>>Then
>>cp -a /dev/nvidia* /etc/udev/devices
>>chown root.root /etc/udev/devices/nvidia*
>>
>>I just thought I'd post this in the hopes that it might save someone else
>>some time if they are trying to use FC3 and nVidia.
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Kase
From jeremymann at gmail.com Fri Nov 12 12:31:19 2004
From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann)
Date: Fri Nov 12 12:13:52 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] RedHat Fedore Core 3
In-Reply-To: <1100278921.1110.87.camel@laptop>
References: <1100278921.1110.87.camel@laptop>
Message-ID: <79ec289f041112103120e5a84e@mail.gmail.com>
On 12 Nov 2004 11:01:57 -0600, Chuck wrote:
> And Jeremy -- if you're feeling up to it, I can get this to you in the
> next couple days to put on your server too. Let me know if you want it.
Sure Chuck. I'll put it up on the biochem FTP server.
--
Jeremy
From dev-null at theweeks.org Fri Nov 12 01:04:09 2004
From: dev-null at theweeks.org (dev-null@theweeks.org)
Date: Fri Nov 12 16:24:45 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] RHCE Study Links
In-Reply-To: <00ba01c4c82b$d6844c80$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk>
References: <00ba01c4c82b$d6844c80$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk>
Message-ID: <200411120103.39271.tweeks_at-theweeks-d0t-0rg>
Someone asked me to post the links from my presentation the other night.. as
well as links to my book.
RHCE Study Info
The Structure & Prep Guide:
https://www.redhat.com/training/rhce/examprep.html
RHCE Practice Site:
http://www.rhce2b.com/
The "Sucky" RHCE Book I Used In My 1 Week Classes:
"RHCE Red Hat Certified Engineer Linux Study Guide (Exam RH302), Third
Edition", M.Jang
ISBN: 0072224851
703 pages, 2002
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0072224851
NOTES:
Lots of errors throughout the Q&A sections.. but fun to find and correct if
you have a shard group & instructor. Covers ALL of the material plus comers
with useful practice tests for all sections of the RHCE. But really need
either a partner to help "break" machines to spec for you.. or an instructor.
This one is also by Jang.. but looks a LOT newer.. and that he got someone to
help him with his Jangrish:
"RHCE (TM) Red Hat (R) Certified Engineer Linux Study Guide (Exam RH302)",
M.Jang & Elizabeth Zinkann
ISBN: 0072253657
768 pages, 2004 (newer!)
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0072253657
NOTES:
-none- never looked at it.. but I am tempted to now.. :P
Then some of you were asking about my book:
(NOT targeted at the RHCE... just good for troubleshooting for IT admins who
are wanting to implement Linux in the enterprise)
"Linux Troubleshooting Bible"
ISBN: 076456997X
624 pages, 2004
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/076456997X
Well.. that's about it.. I need some shut eye.. nite.
Tweeks
From rshrove at satx.rr.com Fri Nov 5 11:46:58 2004
From: rshrove at satx.rr.com (Roy Shrove)
Date: Fri Nov 12 16:24:55 2004
Subject: [SATLUG]
Federal Computer Week Online Poll - Is Linux Ready for broad
Government Use?
Message-ID: <001a01c4c35f$72de57a0$6c01a8c0@hplaptop>
Take the poll and enter your opinion. Provides an interesting view of
opinions regarding using Linux in government operations....
Roy
http://www.fcw.com/polling.asp
From solinym at yahoo.com Thu Nov 11 18:13:09 2004
From: solinym at yahoo.com (Travis)
Date: Fri Nov 12 16:25:11 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] can a modern IDE CD-ROM ruin an old IDE controller?
In-Reply-To: <20041031155010.70910.qmail@web53901.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20041112021309.20411.qmail@web53901.mail.yahoo.com>
It was the cables, thanks all.
__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page.
www.yahoo.com
From jennifervg at yahoo.com Fri Nov 12 15:45:34 2004
From: jennifervg at yahoo.com (Jennifer Van Gorkom)
Date: Fri Nov 12 17:28:03 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] RHCE Study Links
In-Reply-To: <200411120103.39271.tweeks_at-theweeks-d0t-0rg>
Message-ID: <20041112234534.77867.qmail@web10801.mail.yahoo.com>
--- dev-null@theweeks.org wrote:
> This one is also by Jang.. but looks a LOT newer..
> and that he got someone to
> help him with his Jangrish:
> "RHCE (TM) Red Hat (R) Certified Engineer Linux
> Study Guide (Exam RH302)",
> M.Jang & Elizabeth Zinkann
> ISBN: 0072253657
> 768 pages, 2004 (newer!)
>
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0072253657
> NOTES:
> -none- never looked at it.. but I am tempted to
> now.. :P
>
> Tweeks
>
I have the 2004 edition and MANY of the errors that
drive you so nuts in the 2002 edition have been
corrected. The book also covers more material and so
matches the test better.
JenniferVG
__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page.
www.yahoo.com
From sigemund at gmail.com Fri Nov 12 22:55:40 2004
From: sigemund at gmail.com (Mark)
Date: Fri Nov 12 22:38:11 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Denying connections from certain referrers
In-Reply-To: <1100272064.1135.25.camel@laptop>
References:
<1100272064.1135.25.camel@laptop>
Message-ID:
Chuck, could you give me a bit of direction on how to do this. The
connections from china have finally started to innundate my server and
I just had to take it down.
Mark
On 12 Nov 2004 09:07:43 -0600, Chuck wrote:
> No way possible to block connections from a certain referral. How would
> your system know that Tom had the address directly while Dick & Harry
> used the referrer?
>
> But you can always block connections from the Orient. I've done just
> that on a lot on business systems here in town. There is just no reason
> that a local business would have someone in China visiting their website
> or sending mail. So - any connections are either an explorer bot
> looking for vulnerabilities; a actual hack attempt, or SPAM. I block
> the major networks belonging to that country and don't have to worry
> about that.
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 08:28, Mark wrote:
> > This is probably a really simple question, but I can't seem to google
> > it very well -- not getting the answer I'm looking for.
> >
> > I want to block connections to my webserver that come from certain
> > referrers. I've been hosting a few videos of Yao Ming highlights for
> > some folks at a message board I frequent. Well, someone posted those
> > links on the hoopschina.com message board, and now they get downloaded
> > over five times a minute from people referred by that site. How can I
> > disable connections that come from that referral URL?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mark
> > _______________________________________________
> > Satlug mailing list
> > Satlug@satlug.org
> > http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>
>
From bryan.scott at gmail.com Sat Nov 13 09:17:01 2004
From: bryan.scott at gmail.com (Bryan Scott)
Date: Sat Nov 13 08:59:34 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Backup SMTP Server (Secondary Mx) Postfix/Debian
Message-ID:
Hello All,
I have read lots of info on relayhosts for Postfix.
What I want to do is configure an offsite SMTP server to act as a
backup server and list it with a priority of >90 to have it act as a
backup MX.
Problem 1: Is it really as simple as I have read? Just add domain name
to relayhosts? Mod DNS to reflect existence of this new mx server. (It
just seems that I am missing something, or that I am missing some of
the built-in logic of the standard smtp server)
Problem 2: If the secondary smtp server holds mail til primary comes
back online, and I do not specify valid email accts on the backup,
will there be an attempt to deliver to primary then be rejected and
gone forever? ;
from bryan.scott@gmail.com on Sat, Nov 13, 2004 at 09:17:01AM -0600
References:
Message-ID: <20041113103642.A6395@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com>
On Sat, Nov 13, 2004 at 09:17:01AM -0600, Bryan Scott wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I have read lots of info on relayhosts for Postfix.
I answered from my experience with sendmail. How relayhosts works I honestly
do not know. In my setup, it is done all with DNS priorities and they each
are termini (terminuses) of the mail delivery systems.
>
> What I want to do is configure an offsite SMTP server to act as a
> backup server and list it with a priority of >90 to have it act as a
> backup MX.
>
> Problem 1: Is it really as simple as I have read? Just add domain name
> to relayhosts? Mod DNS to reflect existence of this new mx server. (It
> just seems that I am missing something, or that I am missing some of
> the built-in logic of the standard smtp server)
it takes upwards of 24 hours to get mail delivery to reroute to second mail server.
this has nothing to do with dns it is how the mail servers are
it stops delivery to the backup in case there is only a temporary outage
at the primary mail server.
(but, if this is true, wouldn't there alwyas be a 12 hour delay-- i mean how
do other mail servers learn to go to the secondary?)
But, there is a delay for whatever reason ....
>
> Problem 2: If the secondary smtp server holds mail til primary comes
> back online, and I do not specify valid email accts on the backup,
> will there be an attempt to deliver to primary then be rejected and
> gone forever? primary and left to sit on the secondary and die when the TTL runs
> out? Or.. will they sit there (on backup) forever
i think this is what will happen if you set it up to not forward, but case 1 will happen
if you set it up as proposed, but what is the proposed benefit in such a setup?
> because it thinks that it supposed to hold on to those mails because
> it suspects the primary is down and they need to be kept until the
> primary can accept them. My basic fear is that Spammers will mail to
> all sorts of invalid accts, and they typically would not be accepted
> by my primary smtp server, but the backup does not know better.
>
Entonces ... set up accounts on backup as you did on primary (?non?)
> Any pointers, help, or links would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Bryan
> _______________________________________________
> Satlug mailing list
> Satlug@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
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From bryan.scott at gmail.com Sat Nov 13 11:31:07 2004
From: bryan.scott at gmail.com (Bryan Scott)
Date: Sat Nov 13 11:13:35 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Backup SMTP Server (Secondary Mx) Postfix/Debian
In-Reply-To: <20041113103642.A6395@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com>
References:
<20041113103642.A6395@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com>
Message-ID:
Hi Joseph,
> > Problem 1: Is it really as simple as I have read? Just add domain name
> > to relayhosts? Mod DNS to reflect existence of this new mx server. (It
> > just seems that I am missing something, or that I am missing some of
> > the built-in logic of the standard smtp server)
> it takes upwards of 24 hours to get mail delivery to reroute to second mail server.
> this has nothing to do with dns it is how the mail servers are
> it stops delivery to the backup in case there is only a temporary outage
> at the primary mail server.
> (but, if this is true, wouldn't there alwyas be a 12 hour delay-- i mean how
> do other mail servers learn to go to the secondary?)
> But, there is a delay for whatever reason ....
That is strange. I had always believed that when a request was made
from smtp.otherdomain.com to my dns, it would ask for the mx records
and attempt delivery based on priority, so if it cannot find primary
my.mail.server mx 10 it would go to my.backup.mailserver mx 100. At
this point then it is all up to my servers to handle the routing and
such.
> >
> > Problem 2: If the secondary smtp server holds mail til primary comes
> > back online, and I do not specify valid email accts on the backup,
> > will there be an attempt to deliver to primary then be rejected and
> > gone forever? Actually, clients can be configured to check both mail servers from day 1
> (works with windows clients). In your scheme, there is no purpose in setting up
> a secondary server. it is nothing but another failed delivery attempt to primary.
> As you are aware, forwards which do not work result in failed messgae to sender.
> But, as I said, i don't know about relayhosts feature of postfix.
Again I am confused. I do not want my clients ever directly talking to
a backup. The backups purpose is to queue/hold mail until my primary
or primaries come back up online. All backups will be remotely hosted,
and there will be a matrixed setup to insure redundancy. I will have
backup SMTP servers at 2-5 locations. I hope that they will deliver a
failed message, but what I am unsure about is who's responsibility
this will become, the primary smtp server or the backup smtp server.
> > primary and left to sit on the secondary and die when the TTL runs
> > out? > Or.. will they sit there (on backup) forever
> i think this is what will happen if you set it up to not forward, but case 1 will happen
> if you set it up as proposed, but what is the proposed benefit in such a setup?
Well the benefit of this setup is to provide a means to queue my mail
and other domains as well unitl the primary is back online. If for
instance a frame circuit goes down and I lose the ability to
communicate with the outside world for 24 hours, I do not want my mail
bounced or sent back undeliverable in the case that I am down longer
than the TTL on the remote smtp server.
> > because it thinks that it supposed to hold on to those mails because
> > it suspects the primary is down and they need to be kept until the
> > primary can accept them. My basic fear is that Spammers will mail to
> > all sorts of invalid accts, and they typically would not be accepted
> > by my primary smtp server, but the backup does not know better.
> >
> Entonces ... set up accounts on backup as you did on primary (?non?)
Well since I hope to do this for more than 20 domains, it would become
a mgmt nightmare to ensure that all domains have all the proper
userid's configured.
BTW I wil not have any other means of mail transfer on the backups
other than SMTP, I do not want to allow pop, or imap on them. The only
allowed ports and protocols will be SSH and SMTP.
Thank you for your help, but I am still quite confused.
-Bryan
From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Nov 13 16:00:57 2004
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks)
Date: Sat Nov 13 15:43:31 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] RHCE Study Links
In-Reply-To: <20041112234534.77867.qmail@web10801.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041112234534.77867.qmail@web10801.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200411131600.57926.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
On Friday 12 November 2004 05:45 pm, Jennifer Van Gorkom wrote:
> I have the 2004 edition and MANY of the errors that
> drive you so nuts in the 2002 edition have been
> corrected. The book also covers more material and so
> matches the test better.
Hey Jen! Thanx for the info!
Guess I've found me new teaching guide.. ;)
Tweeks
From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Nov 13 16:09:05 2004
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks)
Date: Sat Nov 13 15:51:40 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Running your own DNS - Pros and cons?
In-Reply-To: <4194DA2C.8020004@satx.rr.com>
References: <00ba01c4c82b$d6844c80$8100a8c0@dsalisburydsk>
<200411120047.39395.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org> <4194DA2C.8020004@satx.rr.com>
Message-ID: <200411131609.05618.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
On Friday 12 November 2004 09:43 am, Channing wrote:
> While four hours is probably twice as long as most would want to spend
> on a topic, I'd be interested if that was a serious proposal (provided
> you were interested in cutting the time down).
Ok.. well.. first:
All my classes are real "hands on classes".. not lecture presentations. We're
talking each student with console access to a server, setting up and running
their own operational DNS server. Zone file construction and all.. so
there's that aspect that takes time..
Second:
We might be able to cut the class time down.. but that's going to increase the
class prerequisite knowledge of DNS theory. I usually like to start the
class with an overview of the history of DNS, BIND, the formation of the
internet and the diffs between the root and GTLDs resolver interaction and
the sometimes faulty whois databases.. I supposed I could kill the history
lesson.. but the clear understanding of the root level down functionality and
t-shooting faulty whois data should be key to anyone wanting to run their own
DNS server.
Anyone else have thoughts on this?
Tweeks
From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Nov 13 16:19:59 2004
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks)
Date: Sat Nov 13 16:02:31 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting notes
In-Reply-To: <1100278586.1106.81.camel@laptop>
References: <1100278586.1106.81.camel@laptop>
Message-ID: <200411131619.59546.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
On Friday 12 November 2004 10:56 am, Chuck wrote:
> Thanks for an excellent presentation Tom and for stepping up to the
> plate on short notice. Now, to get down to studying...
Thanx Chuck.. it was fun... Got me into thinking about going back for the
latest version to see what tricks RH has up their sleeves now. Although as
previously discussed... probably the only half way decent study guide for all
the core material (no pun intended) is this newer version if the one that I
mentioned:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0072253657/
And don't forget about the study site:
http://www.rhce2b.com/
Couple of important points... The RHCE only has a real world pass rate of
around 35-40%... And to really "KNOW" all the material.. you really need to
have been using Linux, every day, hopefully in an admin or IT type roll for
around 1 year or so... and have spent around 6 months beefing up on the vast
number of subjects, daemons, and subsystems that Red Hat ships with:
https://www.redhat.com/training/rhce/examprep.html
If anyone's interested in a formal one to three week course covering all of
the required knowledge... maybe we can organize something through SAC or the
like... :)
If so.. let myself AND Steve Kolars know off list...
L8ER...
Tweeks
From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Nov 13 16:20:40 2004
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks)
Date: Sat Nov 13 16:03:12 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting notes
In-Reply-To: <1100278586.1106.81.camel@laptop>
References: <1100278586.1106.81.camel@laptop>
Message-ID: <200411131620.40660.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
On Friday 12 November 2004 10:56 am, Chuck wrote:
> November's meeting.
>
> For you Hams who missed the meeting Wednesday evening -- you didn't
> completely miss out. Our Vice, Jeremy, was under the weather and
> couldn't make the meeting. So, his presentation on Linux Ham Radio
> will have to wait till another time.
BTW.. Jeremy.. get well soon.. I really want to see that HAM/Linux hacker
presenation! :)
Tweeks
From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sat Nov 13 16:23:06 2004
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks)
Date: Sat Nov 13 16:05:38 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] RedHat Fedore Core 3
In-Reply-To: <1100279391.1110.90.camel@laptop>
References: <1100278921.1110.87.camel@laptop> <4194ED40.2090508@swri.edu>
<1100279391.1110.90.camel@laptop>
Message-ID: <200411131623.06323.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
On Friday 12 November 2004 11:09 am, Chuck wrote:
> Well,
>
> Since I created the ISO myself -- I guess I could create a MD5SUM of the
> ISO. I hadn't yet. But I'll put my server working on that right now.
>
> By the time that ISO finished uploading (another 15 hours according to
> SCP) -- I'll have the MD5SUM there too.
Be sure to compare them against the authoritative MD5s:
ftp://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/fedora/linux/core/3/i386/iso/MD5SUM
Tweeks
From chuck at tetlow.net Sat Nov 13 18:39:38 2004
From: chuck at tetlow.net (Chuck)
Date: Sat Nov 13 18:22:07 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] RedHat Fedore Core 3
In-Reply-To: <200411131623.06323.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
References: <1100278921.1110.87.camel@laptop> <4194ED40.2090508@swri.edu>
<1100279391.1110.90.camel@laptop>
<200411131623.06323.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
Message-ID: <1100392779.1105.11.camel@laptop>
Yea, well -- that's the problem Tom.
I received that DVD from one of our members at the meeting. I created
the ISO myself from a working DVD. So, when I created the MD5 for that
ISO -- it doesn't match the MD5 for the ISO from Redhat.
Wouldn't really expect it to, would you?
Chuck
On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 16:23, Tom Weeks wrote:
> On Friday 12 November 2004 11:09 am, Chuck wrote:
> > Well,
> >
> > Since I created the ISO myself -- I guess I could create a MD5SUM of the
> > ISO. I hadn't yet. But I'll put my server working on that right now.
> >
> > By the time that ISO finished uploading (another 15 hours according to
> > SCP) -- I'll have the MD5SUM there too.
>
> Be sure to compare them against the authoritative MD5s:
> ftp://mirror.hiwaay.net/redhat/fedora/linux/core/3/i386/iso/MD5SUM
>
> Tweeks
> _______________________________________________
> Satlug mailing list
> Satlug@satlug.org
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From jjsa at gvtc.com Sat Nov 13 20:17:38 2004
From: jjsa at gvtc.com (Jim J)
Date: Sat Nov 13 19:54:32 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] usb card readers
Message-ID: <4196C042.5060508@gvtc.com>
I need some help trying to get a usb lexar card reader to work. I'm
running a stock 10.0 slackware box. Love that slackware. Anyway the
card reader is recognized in lsusb, but I cannot mount it. The logs are
giving me the following messages:
Current 00:00: sns = 70 2
ASC=3a ASCQ= 0
Raw sense data:0x70 0x00 0x02 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0a 0x00 0x00 0x00
0x00 0x3a 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
sda : READ CAPACITY failed.
sda : status = 1, message = 00, host = 0, driver = 08
Current sd00:00: sns = 70 2
ASC=3a ASCQ= 0
Raw sense data:0x70 0x00 0x02 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0a 0x00 0x00 0x00
0x00 0x3a 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
sda : block size assumed to be 512 bytes, disk size 1GB.
sda: Write Protect is off
sda: I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0
I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0
unable to read partition table
Device busy for revalidation (usage=1)
Device 08:00 not ready.
I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0
FAT: unable to read boot sector
Mount is giving me the usual non-helpful error message of wrong file
system type, bad option, bad superblock etc.....
Any ideas?
From pac at fortuitous.com Sat Nov 13 20:26:58 2004
From: pac at fortuitous.com (Phil Carinhas)
Date: Sat Nov 13 20:09:26 2004
Subject: [SATLUG]
[potash@flash.net: ComSoc Chapter's November Monthly Technical
Evening Meeting, Thursday , November 18, 2004]
Message-ID: <20041114022658.GB6557@mail.fortuitous.com>
i Here is this months IEEE CTS Chapter ComSoc / Signal Processing
announcement. I think its an interesting topic on broadband across the
globe.
See you there.
----- Forwarded message from Hanan Potash -----
The IEEE CTS Chapter ComSoc / Signal Processing Societies invites you to
attend the Chapter's November Monthly Technical Evening Meeting, Thursday
, November 18, 2004, between 6:30 PM and 9:00 PM CDT. The meeting will
once again be held on the campus of the University of Texas at Austin, in
the at the J C Thompson ConferenceCenter, Room 2.110, right off I35 and
Dean Keaton intersectio0n at the intersection of Dean Keaton and Robert
Dedman Dr. Parking will be in parking lot # 40 in the J C Thompson
Conference Center parking to the east of the conference center at the
intersection of Dean Keaton and Redbank. Also, parking will be available
in the LBJ Library parking lot. See Map Below.
Note Food is being catered in Room 2.1110 , JC Thompson Conference Center.
This is where we will be meeting.
Topic :
The choice and comparison internationally of Fiber vs DSL over Copper vs
Cable TV in providing Triple Play, IP Broadband Services VOIP, DATA and
IP-TV Video in the Last Mile.
Presentor: David Burnstien, Editor of DSL Prime Newsletter, NYC, NY.
Abstract:
What's real, and where.
Will Austin ever catch up with Paris, Shanghai, and Seoul?
Will have three parts, with questions throughout.
1- Remarkable results around the world. Japan is $22 for 15 meg, Korea's
at 70% and upping speeds to 50 meg+, Paris is 30 euros for 5 meg DSL +
phone + TV. 4G wireless is coming to Korea, and Wimax at 30 meg exciting
Arizona. The BBC is about to offer, for free to anyone in the U.K., every
show from last week or taped to run over the air next week. Bit Torrent
brings down the cost.
2- What's real, and where. 100 meg DSL, 30-100 meg wireless, DOCSIS cable
at 200 down, 100 up. HD TV compressed to fit, and distributed
inexpensively.
3- Making it real, here. Why Verizon is installing fiber, and SBC isn't.
What could change that? Will high speed wireless change everything?
Biography:
David Burnstein, editor of DSL Prime Newsletter. I've reported the birth
of an industry, the boom and bust in the U.S., and the shift to a lead in
Asia. It's a great job; I get to go around the world and ask questions of
the best in the business. I've learned a fair amount that way, wrote a
book (DSL, Wiley 2000, with Jennie Bourne), and seen my work picked up in
government reports and all.
Note: A breakfast with David Burnstien and the press will held at 8:30
A.M on Friday morning , November 19, 2004.
If you would like to give a presentation on a communications or signal
processing topic, please contact Howard Headrick, e-mail:
hfrjr@swbell.net.
MONTHLY MEETING NOTICE
The Chapter meets on the 3rd Thursday of each month at 6:30 PM until 9:30
PM. Please feel free to post meeting notices and invite guests.
SOCIETY MEMBERSHIP
We encourage you to join the Communications and Signal Processing
Societies at http://www.ieee.org/membership/join/. If you're already a
member, please encourage your associates to join one or both societies.
IEEE membership provides a variety of benefits to its members ranging from
technical publications to conferences to career development assistance to
financial services.
IEEE MEMBERSHIP RENEWAL AND UPDATE
Current members can renew their membership and update their information
(including e-mail address) at http://www.ieee.org/membership/coa.html.
CTS IEEE COM/SP SOCIETY OFFICERS
Howard Headrick Chairman hfrjr@swbell.net
Brandon Imboden Executive Vice-Chairman Brandon.Imboden@Broadwing.com
Scott Atkinson Vice-Chairman of Conferences scotta@ICSIconsulting.com
Les Johnson Vice-Chairman of Membership L.Johnson@IEEE.org
Hanan Potash Secretary potash@flash.net
Rick Talbot Treasurer rtalbot@austin.rr.com
Mark Brockman Dir, Student Activities & Speakers Bureau mark.brockman@sbc.com
CTS IEEE COM/SP SOCIETY DISTRIBUTION LIST
To be added to or deleted from the chapter mailing list, please send name
and e-mail address to Les Johnson@ieee.org
----- End forwarded message -----
-Phil Carinhas
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From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Sat Nov 13 22:11:29 2004
From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron)
Date: Sat Nov 13 21:53:49 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] usb card readers
In-Reply-To: <4196C042.5060508@gvtc.com>
References: <4196C042.5060508@gvtc.com>
Message-ID: <1100405489.5438.2.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com>
On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 20:17 -0600, Jim J wrote:
> I need some help trying to get a usb lexar card reader to work. I'm
> running a stock 10.0 slackware box. Love that slackware. Anyway the
> card reader is recognized in lsusb, but I cannot mount it. The logs are
> giving me the following messages:
>
> Current 00:00: sns = 70 2
> ASC=3a ASCQ= 0
> Raw sense data:0x70 0x00 0x02 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0a 0x00 0x00 0x00
> 0x00 0x3a 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
> sda : READ CAPACITY failed.
> sda : status = 1, message = 00, host = 0, driver = 08
> Current sd00:00: sns = 70 2
> ASC=3a ASCQ= 0
> Raw sense data:0x70 0x00 0x02 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0a 0x00 0x00 0x00
> 0x00 0x3a 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
> sda : block size assumed to be 512 bytes, disk size 1GB.
> sda: Write Protect is off
> sda: I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0
> I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0
> unable to read partition table
> Device busy for revalidation (usage=1)
> Device 08:00 not ready.
> I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0
> FAT: unable to read boot sector
>
> Mount is giving me the usual non-helpful error message of wrong file
> system type, bad option, bad superblock etc.....
>
> Any ideas?
What is the syntax of your mount command?
Should be something like:
mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb
or maybe
mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb
--
A: Because people read from top to bottom.
Q: Why is top-posting bad?
Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT
From jjsa at gvtc.com Sat Nov 13 23:22:26 2004
From: jjsa at gvtc.com (Jim J)
Date: Sat Nov 13 22:59:19 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] usb card readers
In-Reply-To: <1100405489.5438.2.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com>
References: <4196C042.5060508@gvtc.com>
<1100405489.5438.2.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com>
Message-ID: <4196EB92.8090100@gvtc.com>
Thomas Cameron wrote:
>On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 20:17 -0600, Jim J wrote:
>
>
>>I need some help trying to get a usb lexar card reader to work. I'm
>>running a stock 10.0 slackware box. Love that slackware. Anyway the
>>card reader is recognized in lsusb, but I cannot mount it. The logs are
>>giving me the following messages:
>>
>>Current 00:00: sns = 70 2
>>ASC=3a ASCQ= 0
>>Raw sense data:0x70 0x00 0x02 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0a 0x00 0x00 0x00
>>0x00 0x3a 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
>>sda : READ CAPACITY failed.
>>sda : status = 1, message = 00, host = 0, driver = 08
>>Current sd00:00: sns = 70 2
>>ASC=3a ASCQ= 0
>>Raw sense data:0x70 0x00 0x02 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0a 0x00 0x00 0x00
>>0x00 0x3a 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
>>sda : block size assumed to be 512 bytes, disk size 1GB.
>>sda: Write Protect is off
>> sda: I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0
>> I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0
>> unable to read partition table
>>Device busy for revalidation (usage=1)
>>Device 08:00 not ready.
>> I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0
>>FAT: unable to read boot sector
>>
>>Mount is giving me the usual non-helpful error message of wrong file
>>system type, bad option, bad superblock etc.....
>>
>>Any ideas?
>>
>>
>
>What is the syntax of your mount command?
>
>Should be something like:
>
>mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb
>
>or maybe
>
>mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb
>
>
>
I used the second command.
From wmail at wricomp.com Sun Nov 14 01:48:26 2004
From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright)
Date: Sun Nov 14 01:30:51 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] ICANN and Domain Theft
Message-ID: <98udp0p8rh1se2cbup4410u2rcv2rsoq06@4ax.com>
Just learned from my registrar that ICANN has a new domain transfer policy
that sounds like it makes it easier for someone to steal a domain. This is
from GoDaddy.com, your registrar should have similar info:
"We are sending customers an email regarding a new ICANN-enforced domain
name transfer policy, effective 11-12-04. It dictates that IF WE RECEIVE A
TRANSFER REQUEST (and your domain names are not locked) we must honor the
transfer, even if you do not confirm it."
[The act of locking a domain prevents certain changes - including
transfers. The account holder is supposed to be able to unlock/relock
their domains when changes are desired. -don]
Here is the story on Computerworld:
http://www.computerworld.com/developmenttopics/websitemgmt/story/0,10801,97475,00.html
And another take from Netcraft:
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/11/09/domain_transfers_and_hijackings_to_become_easier.html
What have the rest of you heard? --Don
From scarolan at gmail.com Sun Nov 14 09:50:00 2004
From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan)
Date: Sun Nov 14 09:32:38 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] FC3 and nVidia FYI
In-Reply-To: <33267.208.191.193.72.1100279712.squirrel@208.191.193.72>
References:
<33267.208.191.193.72.1100279712.squirrel@208.191.193.72>
Message-ID: <277020fc04111407507baee6da@mail.gmail.com>
On Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:15:12 -0600 (CST), Eli wrote:
> thanks for the headsup. i'm sure a lot of ppl use fedora.
>
> ~e
Sourceforge.net also runs their servers on Fedora Core 2. They just
switched from Debian.
From tmiller-lists at web-1hosting.net Sun Nov 14 10:01:24 2004
From: tmiller-lists at web-1hosting.net (Travis Miller)
Date: Sun Nov 14 09:43:45 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] ICANN and Domain Theft
In-Reply-To: <98udp0p8rh1se2cbup4410u2rcv2rsoq06@4ax.com>
References: <98udp0p8rh1se2cbup4410u2rcv2rsoq06@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <41978154.1030401@web-1hosting.net>
Its pretty much no big deal as long as you do one of two things:
1.) Keep your email address current so you can deny transfers
2.) Get your registry to LOCK the domain (you can usually do this from a control
panel).
I am personally in support of this change. As a Web Host Provider I have come
to several situations where a customer has changed their email address and can
no longer transfer their domain to a new registrar when they want to. The new
change will allow this type of transfer more easily. It also will require
people to keep their contact information more update. I believe that IF people
are made aware of the possibility of losing their domain because they don't keep
a valid email address for the owner/admin contact then they will be more apt to
actually keep the info current.
What this really comes down to is how well the relationship between the registry
and the domain owner is. As long as the registry stays in active contact with
the customer fairly often it shouldn't be hard to (1) keep contact information
valid and (2) have the customer know who they are with and not fall for some of
the more obvious domain theft tactics.
- Travis
Don Wright wrote:
> Just learned from my registrar that ICANN has a new domain transfer policy
> that sounds like it makes it easier for someone to steal a domain. This is
> from GoDaddy.com, your registrar should have similar info:
>
> "We are sending customers an email regarding a new ICANN-enforced domain
> name transfer policy, effective 11-12-04. It dictates that IF WE RECEIVE A
> TRANSFER REQUEST (and your domain names are not locked) we must honor the
> transfer, even if you do not confirm it."
>
> [The act of locking a domain prevents certain changes - including
> transfers. The account holder is supposed to be able to unlock/relock
> their domains when changes are desired. -don]
>
> Here is the story on Computerworld:
> http://www.computerworld.com/developmenttopics/websitemgmt/story/0,10801,97475,00.html
>
> And another take from Netcraft:
> http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2004/11/09/domain_transfers_and_hijackings_to_become_easier.html
>
>
> What have the rest of you heard? --Don
>
> _______________________________________________
> Satlug mailing list
> Satlug@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>
>
From tmiller-lists at web-1hosting.net Sun Nov 14 10:13:16 2004
From: tmiller-lists at web-1hosting.net (Travis Miller)
Date: Sun Nov 14 09:55:33 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Backup SMTP Server (Secondary Mx) Postfix/Debian
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <4197841C.4060203@web-1hosting.net>
Bryan Scott wrote:
> Problem 1: Is it really as simple as I have read? Just add domain name
> to relayhosts? Mod DNS to reflect existence of this new mx server. (It
> just seems that I am missing something, or that I am missing some of
> the built-in logic of the standard smtp server)
Yep, in my experience that is about it. At to relay_hosts on secondary, at MX
record with valid that is greater than the primary.
>
> Problem 2: If the secondary smtp server holds mail til primary comes
> back online, and I do not specify valid email accts on the backup,
> will there be an attempt to deliver to primary then be rejected and
> gone forever? primary and left to sit on the secondary and die when the TTL runs
> out?
Message-ID: <000001c4ca66$c35c5660$6600a8c0@Compaq>
-----Original Message-----
From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On
Behalf Of Jim J
Sent: Saturday, November 13, 2004 11:22 PM
To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] usb card readers
Thomas Cameron wrote:
>On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 20:17 -0600, Jim J wrote:
>
>
>>I need some help trying to get a usb lexar card reader to work. I'm
>>running a stock 10.0 slackware box. Love that slackware. Anyway the
>>card reader is recognized in lsusb, but I cannot mount it. The logs
are
>>giving me the following messages:
>>
>>Current 00:00: sns = 70 2
>>ASC=3a ASCQ= 0
>>Raw sense data:0x70 0x00 0x02 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0a 0x00 0x00 0x00
>>0x00 0x3a 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
>>sda : READ CAPACITY failed.
>>sda : status = 1, message = 00, host = 0, driver = 08
>>Current sd00:00: sns = 70 2
>>ASC=3a ASCQ= 0
>>Raw sense data:0x70 0x00 0x02 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0a 0x00 0x00 0x00
>>0x00 0x3a 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00
>>sda : block size assumed to be 512 bytes, disk size 1GB.
>>sda: Write Protect is off
>> sda: I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0
>> I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0
>> unable to read partition table
>>Device busy for revalidation (usage=1)
>>Device 08:00 not ready.
>> I/O error: dev 08:00, sector 0
>>FAT: unable to read boot sector
>>
>>Mount is giving me the usual non-helpful error message of wrong file
>>system type, bad option, bad superblock etc.....
>>
>>Any ideas?
>>
>>
>
>What is the syntax of your mount command?
>
>Should be something like:
>
>mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb
>
>or maybe
>
>mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb
>
>
>
>I used the second command.
_______________________________________________
That command should work.
Maybe try
Mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt/usb
Have you used the card before? It may not have a partition table or file
system. Also make sure the sd_mod module is loaded on your comp(not
assuming anything).
-Matt
From mtandrews at hotmail.com Sun Nov 14 03:19:50 2004
From: mtandrews at hotmail.com (maurice trevor andrews)
Date: Sun Nov 14 15:03:18 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] wireless mouse & keyboard
Message-ID: <200411140319.50468.mtandrews@hotmail.com>
Hello everyone, I was looking at buying a wireless board/mouse (by logitech)
combo for my machine running mandrake 9.2. Does anyone know if these work on
a linux machine. I am a rookie to the 3rd power about linux though I'm
learning more by the minute.
From wmail at wricomp.com Sun Nov 14 15:52:41 2004
From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright)
Date: Sun Nov 14 15:35:18 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] ICANN and Domain Theft
In-Reply-To: <98udp0p8rh1se2cbup4410u2rcv2rsoq06@4ax.com>
References: <98udp0p8rh1se2cbup4410u2rcv2rsoq06@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <8d9fp0d30bjsbrreju4rqfegbekp63hn83@4ax.com>
Another member sent this info to me. I do hope it's not as bad as some
claim, but humans being what they are...
http://www.dyndns.org/news/releases/archives/2004/11/451.html
Thanks, all! --Don
From wmail at wricomp.com Sun Nov 14 16:07:50 2004
From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright)
Date: Sun Nov 14 15:50:19 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] wireless mouse & keyboard
In-Reply-To: <200411140319.50468.mtandrews@hotmail.com>
References: <200411140319.50468.mtandrews@hotmail.com>
Message-ID:
On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 03:19:50 -0600, maurice trevor andrews
wrote:
>Hello everyone, I was looking at buying a wireless board/mouse (by logitech)
>combo for my machine running mandrake 9.2. Does anyone know if these work on
>a linux machine. I am a rookie to the 3rd power about linux though I'm
>learning more by the minute.
It should. The standard keyboard interface hasn't changed much since the
IBM AT days. Newer machines use USB, which is a big change, but most
Logitech gear comes with PS/2 adapters and works with both, in case your
distro doesn't like it one way. My wireless mouse looks like a standard
PS/2 mouse to Debian, etc.
You may not get the GUI tools that tell you the battery is low, or let you
use the extra Internet and multimedia push buttons, but that's not always
a deal-breaker. You could check the usual places[*] for additional Linux
support, of course. --Don
[*] Manufacturer's website, rpm finder sites, Google...
From snafu at urdirect.net Sun Nov 14 15:44:38 2004
From: snafu at urdirect.net (Donn D.)
Date: Sun Nov 14 15:52:09 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] wireless mouse & keyboard
In-Reply-To: <200411140319.50468.mtandrews@hotmail.com>
References: <200411140319.50468.mtandrews@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <4197D1C6.7070309@urdirect.net>
maurice trevor andrews wrote:
>Hello everyone, I was looking at buying a wireless board/mouse (by logitech)
>combo for my machine running mandrake 9.2. Does anyone know if these work on
>a linux machine. I am a rookie to the 3rd power about linux though I'm
>learning more by the minute.
>
>
I wondered the same thing earlier this year. I did a fresh install of
Fedora Core 2 linux on a new home-built box about 6 mos. ago, and my
Logitech Cordless Elite Duo (kb & optical mouse) just worked great right
off.
From WrkWatchr at hotmail.com Sun Nov 14 16:38:54 2004
From: WrkWatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr)
Date: Sun Nov 14 16:21:30 2004
Subject: [SATLUG]
The Chicago Mercantile Exchange is moving to Intel-based servers
running Linux
Message-ID: <00f401c4ca9a$b8f89650$6c01a8c0@hplaptop>
The decision to use Linux and move to fast Intel Corp. chips also led to a
reduction in trading time. The Merc credits its Linux deployment with
cutting the time it takes to process a trade by about 100 milliseconds to
the current 350 milliseconds. The goal is to reduce that to 100
milliseconds. Exchange officials say they believe that using faster Intel
chips will bring them halfway toward that goal and that application
optimization on the NonStop servers will take care of the rest.
But the Merc's interest in Linux was also sparked by a desire to save money.
Leveraging competition among vendors of Intel-based commodity hardware is an
important element of this strategy. "One of the things that we were trying
to do with Linux is to be totally agnostic and not get tied into a vendor,"
says Panfil
FOR THE REST OF THE ARTICLE:
http://www.computerworld.com/hardwaretopics/hardware/server/story/0,10801,96
842,00.html?SKC=software-96842
From afcasta at texas.net Sun Nov 14 19:30:54 2004
From: afcasta at texas.net (Al Castanoli)
Date: Sun Nov 14 19:13:40 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] wireless mouse & keyboard
In-Reply-To:
Message-ID: <000001c4cab2$c3447710$0301a8c0@triffid>
Don Wright wrote on Sunday, November 14, 2004 at 4:08 PM:
: On Sun, 14 Nov 2004 03:19:50 -0600, maurice trevor andrews
: wrote:
:>Hello everyone, I was looking at buying a wireless board/mouse (by
:>logitech) combo for my machine running mandrake 9.2. Does anyone know
:>if these work on a linux machine. I am a rookie to the 3rd power about
:>linux though I'm learning more by the minute.
:It should. The standard keyboard interface hasn't changed much since
the
:IBM AT days. Newer machines use USB, which is a big change, but most
:Logitech gear comes with PS/2 adapters and works with both, in case
your
:distro doesn't like it one way. My wireless mouse looks like a standard
:PS/2 mouse to Debian, etc.
:You may not get the GUI tools that tell you the battery is low, or let
you
:use the extra Internet and multimedia push buttons, but that's not
always
:a deal-breaker. You could check the usual places[*] for additional
Linux
:support, of course. --Don
:[*] Manufacturer's website, rpm finder sites, Google...
I'm using the "Logitech Deluxe Cordless Desktop", which was the cheapest
cordless kit at the PX. It has one PS2 connector for the mouse and a USB
connector with a PS2 adapter for the keyboard, so you can use it with a
laptop (I'm using it right now hooked up to an older Inspiron, with the
mouse plugged into the PS2 port and the keyboard plugged into the USB
port).
It works fine with Solaris 10/x86, Knoppix 3.6, and SuSE 9.1, because
it's read by the 'puter as a normal keyboard and mouse. They all pick
up the mouse as a generic PS2 wheel mouse and the keyboard as a standard
US one.
--
Al Castanoli
From afcasta at texas.net Sun Nov 14 20:10:26 2004
From: afcasta at texas.net (Al Castanoli)
Date: Sun Nov 14 19:53:06 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] The Chicago Mercantile Exchange is moving to Intel-based
serversrunning Linux
In-Reply-To: <00f401c4ca9a$b8f89650$6c01a8c0@hplaptop>
Message-ID: <000001c4cab8$49808850$0301a8c0@triffid>
Wrkwatchr wrote:
:The decision to use Linux and move to fast Intel Corp. chips also led
to a
:reduction in trading time. The Merc credits its Linux deployment with
:cutting the time it takes to process a trade by about 100 milliseconds
to
:the current 350 milliseconds. The goal is to reduce that to 100
:milliseconds. Exchange officials say they believe that using faster
Intel
:chips will bring them halfway toward that goal and that application
:optimization on the NonStop servers will take care of the rest.
:But the Merc's interest in Linux was also sparked by a desire to save
:money. Leveraging competition among vendors of Intel-based commodity
:hardware is an important element of this strategy. "One of the things
that :we were trying to do with Linux is to be totally agnostic and not
get tied :into a vendor," says Panfil
:FOR THE REST OF THE ARTICLE:
:http://www.computerworld.com/hardwaretopics/hardware/server/story/0,108
01,9:6842,00.html?SKC=software-96842
I interviewed for the Chicago Mercantile Exchange about a month ago, and
seriously considered taking a gig up there. The CME is hiring admins
experienced in Solaris and Linux to transition some of their legacy
systems over to Linux and the gig I was offered was for 18 months.
A lot of the interview included Cisco IOS and kernel tuning for certain
data bases and applications servers. Unfortunately, tomcat wasn't
mentioned - they want to continue using the vendors they have now.
In the same light, another large organization I interviewed with in
California is moving from Solaris to Linux for their Oracle servers,
since Oracle's moving to Linux for their developers network.
Unfortunately neither of these jobs were advertised, and neither is the
one I decided to take here in San Antonio. They were all presented to
me by folks I knew in the business.
--
Al Castanoli
From snafu at urdirect.net Sun Nov 14 21:02:46 2004
From: snafu at urdirect.net (Donn D.)
Date: Sun Nov 14 20:39:36 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] wireless mouse & keyboard
In-Reply-To: <000001c4cab2$c3447710$0301a8c0@triffid>
References: <000001c4cab2$c3447710$0301a8c0@triffid>
Message-ID: <41981C56.1090004@urdirect.net>
Al Castanoli wrote:
>I'm using the "Logitech Deluxe Cordless Desktop", which was the cheapest
>cordless kit at the PX. It has one PS2 connector for the mouse and a USB
>connector with a PS2 adapter for the keyboard, so you can use it with a
>laptop (I'm using it right now hooked up to an older Inspiron, with the
>mouse plugged into the PS2 port and the keyboard plugged into the USB
>port).
>
>It works fine with Solaris 10/x86, Knoppix 3.6, and SuSE 9.1, because
>it's read by the 'puter as a normal keyboard and mouse. They all pick
>up the mouse as a generic PS2 wheel mouse and the keyboard as a standard
>US one.
>
>
>
I have a question kind of indirectly related to this. I have my FC2 box
and my win2k box in the same room, on different desks, about 8' apart.
I am using the logitech cordless kb & mouse on my FC2 box, and a plain
jane corded kb & corded ps2 mouse on my win2k box. I was wanting to get
another logitech (or whatever) cordless kb & mouse for my win2k box.
So.... I was wondering if they would interfere with each other. I mean,
if I am using one machine, would that kb & mouse also affect the other
nearby machine...?
From kefoster at gmail.com Sun Nov 14 20:59:04 2004
From: kefoster at gmail.com (Kevin Foster)
Date: Sun Nov 14 20:41:34 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Thin Clients
Message-ID: <6c649da204111418597b9abbb7@mail.gmail.com>
Hello all,
This is my first post to SATLUG. I am originally from San Antonio but
currently live in Austin (Pflugerville). We are hoping to move back
in the near future, so I wanted to start following the Linux community
in SA. I have already seen a familiar face on the boards (Hey Boz!
Yes you Glenn!) A little background I am a Windows admin (no Booing!)
but I have been studying Linux/Unix for a little while with the help
of my co-worker. Recently, I have passed the RHCT and know enough to
get myself in deeper trouble. ;-)
Well on to my question. Thin clients? I am thinking about putting
at least three systems in my house for my family and friends to use
when they need. Basically I want them to be able to do the following:
Browse the web
Email
View and listen to Media attachments
Simple word processing
Simple educational games for our daughter
Also, I would like to be able to do this via wireless. Has anyone
played with thin clients that allow you to do this? I know I can use
laptops but was wondering if anyone else had tried any of the thin
client technology out there.
Thanks,
Kevin Foster
From jay_hidalgo at hotmail.com Sun Nov 14 21:29:25 2004
From: jay_hidalgo at hotmail.com (Jay Hidalgo)
Date: Sun Nov 14 21:12:31 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] wireless mouse & keyboard
Message-ID:
>From: "Donn D."
>Reply-To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List"
>
>To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List"
>Subject: Re: [SATLUG] wireless mouse & keyboard
>Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 21:02:46 -0600
>
>Al Castanoli wrote:
>
>>I'm using the "Logitech Deluxe Cordless Desktop", which was the cheapest
>>cordless kit at the PX. It has one PS2 connector for the mouse and a USB
>>connector with a PS2 adapter for the keyboard, so you can use it with a
>>laptop (I'm using it right now hooked up to an older Inspiron, with the
>>mouse plugged into the PS2 port and the keyboard plugged into the USB
>>port).
>>
>>It works fine with Solaris 10/x86, Knoppix 3.6, and SuSE 9.1, because
>>it's read by the 'puter as a normal keyboard and mouse. They all pick
>>up the mouse as a generic PS2 wheel mouse and the keyboard as a standard
>>US one.
>>
>>
>>
>I have a question kind of indirectly related to this. I have my FC2 box
>and my win2k box in the same room, on different desks, about 8' apart.
>I am using the logitech cordless kb & mouse on my FC2 box, and a plain jane
>corded kb & corded ps2 mouse on my win2k box. I was wanting to get another
>logitech (or whatever) cordless kb & mouse for my win2k box. So.... I was
>wondering if they would interfere with each other. I mean, if I am using
>one machine, would that kb & mouse also affect the other nearby machine...?
>
Jay Hidalgo Writes: :-)
I have two setups of Logitech Cordless Freedom Pro Optical (year old)
running on the same desk. My desk is about 6 feet wide, give or take... I
have to setup the kb/mouse on a windows box and change the channels of both
to something non-default. After the channels are different, it is like using
two of the same cordless phones in the house. And I ONLY use USB. Fedora,
FreeBSD, Mandrake, and Windows (of course) all support it. It is hard to
find a laptop with PS/2 anymore...
It is important that the batteries do not go completely dead or stay removed
from the unit for longer than a minute or two. If the batteries are removed,
the channel must be reset.
If you are worried about the battery level, just pay attention to the range
from the receiver. The lower the batteries go, the closer the kb must be to
the receiver. And the optical light stops blinking all the time on the mouse
when it gets low.
Optical mice are by far the best, but they eat batteries. My mouse gets used
about 6 hours out of the day. The batteries last two weeks.
Good luck!
-Jay Hidalgo
From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Sun Nov 14 21:44:23 2004
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks)
Date: Sun Nov 14 21:26:53 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] RedHat Fedore Core 3
In-Reply-To: <1100392779.1105.11.camel@laptop>
References: <1100278921.1110.87.camel@laptop>
<200411131623.06323.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
<1100392779.1105.11.camel@laptop>
Message-ID: <200411142144.23705.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
On Saturday 13 November 2004 06:39 pm, Chuck wrote:
> Yea, well -- that's the problem Tom.
>
> I received that DVD from one of our members at the meeting. I created
> the ISO myself from a working DVD. So, when I created the MD5 for that
> ISO -- it doesn't match the MD5 for the ISO from Redhat
>
> Wouldn't really expect it to, would you?
A copy of a copy should still match MD5SUMs (if it's a good copy).
If it's not... dump it and re DL it from RH.
Tweeks
From joe.speigle at jklh.us Sun Nov 14 21:28:56 2004
From: joe.speigle at jklh.us (joseph speigle)
Date: Sun Nov 14 21:45:24 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Backup SMTP Server (Secondary Mx) Postfix/Debian
In-Reply-To: ;
from bryan.scott@gmail.com on Sat, Nov 13, 2004 at 11:31:07AM -0600
References:
<20041113103642.A6395@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com>
Message-ID: <20041114212856.A14326@hovey.hoveymotorcars.com>
guys,
I apologize, i forgot to list-reply and instead this went straight to Bryan. I don't think it went through to the list, either, so here it is.
> Hi Joseph,
>
> > > Problem 1: Is it really as simple as I have read? Just add domain name
> > > to relayhosts? Mod DNS to reflect existence of this new mx server. (It
> > > just seems that I am missing something, or that I am missing some of
> > > the built-in logic of the standard smtp server)
> > it takes upwards of 24 hours to get mail delivery to reroute to second mail server.
> > this has nothing to do with dns it is how the mail servers are
> > it stops delivery to the backup in case there is only a temporary outage
> > at the primary mail server.
> > (but, if this is true, wouldn't there alwyas be a 12 hour delay-- i mean how
> > do other mail servers learn to go to the secondary?)
> > But, there is a delay for whatever reason ....
>
> That is strange. I had always believed that when a request was made
> from smtp.otherdomain.com to my dns, it would ask for the mx records
> and attempt delivery based on priority, so if it cannot find primary
> my.mail.server mx 10 it would go to my.backup.mailserver mx 100. At
> this point then it is all up to my servers to handle the routing and
> such.
to answer my own question, I believe the time mail servers wait to resend mail is programmed into the mail server code. Anyone? and then it goes to the secondary MX mail server.
> > >
> > > Problem 2: If the secondary smtp server holds mail til primary comes
> > > back online, and I do not specify valid email accts on the backup,
> > > will there be an attempt to deliver to primary then be rejected and
> > > gone forever? > Actually, clients can be configured to check both mail servers from day 1
> > (works with windows clients). In your scheme, there is no purpose in setting up
> > a secondary server. it is nothing but another failed delivery attempt to primary.
> > As you are aware, forwards which do not work result in failed messgae to sender.
> > But, as I said, i don't know about relayhosts feature of postfix.
>
> Again I am confused. I do not want my clients ever directly talking to
> a backup. The backups purpose is to queue/hold mail until my primary
> or primaries come back up online. All backups will be remotely hosted,
> and there will be a matrixed setup to insure redundancy. I will have
> backup SMTP servers at 2-5 locations. I hope that they will deliver a
> failed message, but what I am unsure about is who's responsibility
> this will become, the primary smtp server or the backup smtp server.
>
> > > primary and left to sit on the secondary and die when the TTL runs
> > > out? > > Or.. will they sit there (on backup) forever
> > i think this is what will happen if you set it up to not forward, but case 1 will happen
> > if you set it up as proposed, but what is the proposed benefit in such a setup?
>
> Well the benefit of this setup is to provide a means to queue my mail
> and other domains as well unitl the primary is back online. If for
> instance a frame circuit goes down and I lose the ability to
> communicate with the outside world for 24 hours, I do not want my mail
> bounced or sent back undeliverable in the case that I am down longer
> than the TTL on the remote smtp server.
>
> > > because it thinks that it supposed to hold on to those mails because
> > > it suspects the primary is down and they need to be kept until the
> > > primary can accept them. My basic fear is that Spammers will mail to
> > > all sorts of invalid accts, and they typically would not be accepted
> > > by my primary smtp server, but the backup does not know better.
> > >
> > Entonces ... set up accounts on backup as you did on primary (?non?)
>
> Well since I hope to do this for more than 20 domains, it would become
> a mgmt nightmare to ensure that all domains have all the proper
> userid's configured.
>
> BTW I wil not have any other means of mail transfer on the backups
> other than SMTP, I do not want to allow pop, or imap on them. The only
> allowed ports and protocols will be SSH and SMTP.
>
> Thank you for your help, but I am still quite confused.
>
> -Bryan
--
if you're christian, god bless; otherwise, good luck; and, if you dont believe in luck ...
From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Mon Nov 15 00:32:46 2004
From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron)
Date: Mon Nov 15 00:15:19 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] usb card readers
In-Reply-To: <4196EB92.8090100@gvtc.com>
References: <4196C042.5060508@gvtc.com>
<1100405489.5438.2.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com>
<4196EB92.8090100@gvtc.com>
Message-ID: <1100500366.5109.5.camel@thomas.camerontech.com>
On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 23:22 -0600, Jim J wrote:
> >
> >What is the syntax of your mount command?
> >
> >Should be something like:
> >
> >mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb
> >
> >or maybe
> >
> >mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb
> >
> >
> >
> I used the second command.
Hrm - what does:
fdisk -l /dev/sda
show?
--
A: Because people read from top to bottom.
Q: Why is top-posting bad?
Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT
From thomas.cameron at camerontech.com Mon Nov 15 00:35:30 2004
From: thomas.cameron at camerontech.com (Thomas Cameron)
Date: Mon Nov 15 00:17:57 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] wireless mouse & keyboard
In-Reply-To: <200411140319.50468.mtandrews@hotmail.com>
References: <200411140319.50468.mtandrews@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <1100500530.5109.7.camel@thomas.camerontech.com>
On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 03:19 -0600, maurice trevor andrews wrote:
> Hello everyone, I was looking at buying a wireless board/mouse (by logitech)
> combo for my machine running mandrake 9.2. Does anyone know if these work on
> a linux machine. I am a rookie to the 3rd power about linux though I'm
> learning more by the minute.
I am using a wireless Logitech mouse to compose this message on a Fedora
Core 3 host. It seems to be just peachy.
--
A: Because people read from top to bottom.
Q: Why is top-posting bad?
Thomas Cameron, RHCE, CNE, MCSE, MCT
From dtrimmer at commtechinc.com Mon Nov 15 08:33:02 2004
From: dtrimmer at commtechinc.com (Trimmer, Darren)
Date: Mon Nov 15 08:14:56 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] usb card readers
Message-ID:
> >
> >What is the syntax of your mount command?
> >
> >Should be something like:
> >
> >mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb
> >
> >or maybe
> >
> >mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb
> >
> >
> >
> I used the second command.
I had problems with my 1Gb USB drive in SUSE 9.1. It worked fine for
weeks then it all of a sudden stopped. I finally ended up having to
repartition and format the drive. Windows format did not work. I had to
use SUSE's fdisk to do it to SUSE's liking. I had to fdisk /dev/sda1 to
a fat16 partition. I use this because it is compatible with almost every
OS. I use this drive on many different systems. After all that, SUSE
automatically started to mount the drive again to
/Media/USB****************p1. The *'s are just a sequence of numbers.
Too long to remember.
From WrkWatchr at hotmail.com Mon Nov 15 08:56:24 2004
From: WrkWatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr)
Date: Mon Nov 15 08:40:42 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Thin Clients
In-Reply-To: <6c649da204111418597b9abbb7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <013501c4cb23$46b5a5e0$6c01a8c0@hplaptop>
Kevin,
You might ant to contact Sean Carolan from this group. He has a thin client
setup running at the business he works for.
Roy
-----Original Message-----
From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf
Of Kevin Foster
Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 8:59 PM
To: satlug@satlug.org
Subject: [SATLUG] Thin Clients
Hello all,
This is my first post to SATLUG. I am originally from San Antonio but
currently live in Austin (Pflugerville). We are hoping to move back
in the near future, so I wanted to start following the Linux community
in SA. I have already seen a familiar face on the boards (Hey Boz!
Yes you Glenn!) A little background I am a Windows admin (no Booing!)
but I have been studying Linux/Unix for a little while with the help
of my co-worker. Recently, I have passed the RHCT and know enough to
get myself in deeper trouble. ;-)
Well on to my question. Thin clients. I am thinking about putting
at least three systems in my house for my family and friends to use
when they need. Basically I want them to be able to do the following:
Browse the web
Email
View and listen to Media attachments
Simple word processing
Simple educational games for our daughter
Also, I would like to be able to do this via wireless. Has anyone
played with thin clients that allow you to do this? I know I can use
laptops but was wondering if anyone else had tried any of the thin
client technology out there.
Thanks,
Kevin Foster
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From demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu Mon Nov 15 09:28:08 2004
From: demeler at biochem.uthscsa.edu (Borries Demeler)
Date: Mon Nov 15 09:11:15 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Thin Clients
In-Reply-To: <013501c4cb23$46b5a5e0$6c01a8c0@hplaptop>
Message-ID: <200411151528.iAFFS8iW027053@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
>
> Browse the web
> Email
> View and listen to Media attachments
> Simple word processing
> Simple educational games for our daughter
>
> Also, I would like to be able to do this via wireless. Has anyone
> played with thin clients that allow you to do this? I know I can use
> laptops but was wondering if anyone else had tried any of the thin
> client technology out there.
Hi Kevin,
Yup, Linux is great for that. It doesn't matter what computer type
or network transport you use. It all works, as long as it is fast enough.
If you want to do thin client stuff over wireless, I would recommend
to go at least with the 54 mbit (G version). It is fast enough to do
this well. The server should have enough memory and probably should
be hardwired with a 100baseT or even gigabit connection to your
wireless router. Definitely run full-duplex. Our office network is
thin client here in my lab.
-Borries
---
Borries Demeler, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
The University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio
Dept. of Biochemistry, MC 7760
7703 Floyd Curl Drive, San Antonio, Texas 78229-3901
Voice: 210-567-6592, Fax: 210-567-1136, Email: demeler@biochem.uthscsa.edu
Please avoid sending me Word, Excel or PowerPoint attachments.
See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
From gwillden at gmail.com Mon Nov 15 11:23:44 2004
From: gwillden at gmail.com (Greg Willden)
Date: Mon Nov 15 11:06:12 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] IT job at SwRI
Message-ID: <345e55a504111509236724f0a2@mail.gmail.com>
Hi all,
My division at Southwest Research Institute is looking for someone
with experience in Windows and Linux. You must be a US citizen as the
job will require a security clearance.
Please contact me off-list if you would like additional information.
Thanks
Greg
--
To know recursion, you must first know recursion.
From zeb.fletcher at gmail.com Mon Nov 15 11:52:29 2004
From: zeb.fletcher at gmail.com (Zeb Fletcher)
Date: Mon Nov 15 11:34:58 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Solaris 10 = Free
Message-ID: <128bff2f04111509522db78cc@mail.gmail.com>
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041115/ap_on_hi_te/sun_solaris10
SAN JOSE, Calif. - After investing roughly $500 million and spending
years of development time on its next-generation operating system, Sun
Microsystems Inc. on Monday will announce an aggressive price for the
software ? free.
Sun, which has never completely rebounded from the tech collapse in
2001, hopes the no-cost of Solaris 10 will not only attract customers
but also expand the number of developers who write programs that work
on computers running the operating system.
The result, Sun believes, will be renewed demand for its servers and
services. The company also will charge subscription fees for Solaris
support and service programs that are typically sought by the
businesses and organizations that Sun targets.
"Hewlett Packard sells a printer at a low price and makes a lot of
money on printer cartridges. Gillette gives you the razor and makes a
lot of money on the blades," said Scott McNealy, Sun's chief
executive. "There are different ways to drive market penetration."
Solaris 10 will be unveiled Monday at an event in San Jose, though it
won't be formally released until the end of January. It will work on
more than 270 computer platforms running on chips from Sun, Intel
Corp. or Advanced Micro Devices Inc.
The price of earlier versions of Solaris typically ran between
hundreds and thousands of dollars ? depending on the system that was
being run by the software, said Tom Goguen, Sun's vice president of
operating platforms.
Sun also has promised make the underlying code of Solaris available
under an open-source license, though the details have not been
released. With access to the code, Solaris users will be able to take
advantage of its features when developing their own software and
systems.
The move stands in contrast to Microsoft Corp.'s Windows and other
proprietary operating systems in which the blueprints are released
only to select outsiders, if any.
And, depending on the final license, it could make Solaris more
competitive with open-source operating systems like Linux (news - web
sites) and distributors such as Red Hat Inc.
"When we open source, the one advantage we thought Red Hat had is
gone. Then we both have an advantage with respect to Microsoft,"
McNealy said. "(Sun has) a worldwide service and support organization,
which we think is way better than either company in the enterprise."
Solaris also will run programs written for the Linux operating system
without having to make any changes.
Though Sun also sells lower-end systems that run Linux, it believes
Solaris is a better value proposition. To strengthen its case, Solaris
10 will include security features that in the past were only part of a
trusted version sold strictly to government agencies and the military.
Sun, a star of the late 1990s tech boom, fell on hard times as
corporate spending shrunk and rivals like IBM Corp. and
Hewlett-Packard Co. started offering machines with less expensive
hardware and software.
The Santa Clara-based company has been trying to return to solid
footing for years, and McNealy said Solaris 10 is an important part of
the company's transformation.
"It's kind of the tent pole ? it just kind of holds up the whole
deal," he said.
Last month, Sun announced its second consecutive quarter of revenue
growth, though profits remain elusive. McNealy believes the company he
co-founded in 1982 has already turned the corner, though the
financials have yet to show it.
"There's always a lag with companies our size," McNealy said. "And
that's assuming we're not making dumb mistakes right now that I don't
know about."
From konetzed at fmlug.org Mon Nov 15 16:07:22 2004
From: konetzed at fmlug.org (Edward Konetzko)
Date: Mon Nov 15 15:49:48 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Thin Clients
In-Reply-To: <200411151528.iAFFS8iW027053@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
References: <200411151528.iAFFS8iW027053@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
Message-ID: <4199289A.5030201@fmlug.org>
I would have to recommend 802.11A, less frequency conflicts and it has
more channels open the b or g. Plus its the same 54mbs as G. A does
cost a little more since not to many people use it, but the fact that
not that many people use it is a good thing.
Borries Demeler wrote:
>>Browse the web
>>Email
>>View and listen to Media attachments
>>Simple word processing
>>Simple educational games for our daughter
>>
>>Also, I would like to be able to do this via wireless. Has anyone
>>played with thin clients that allow you to do this? I know I can use
>>laptops but was wondering if anyone else had tried any of the thin
>>client technology out there.
>>
>>
>
>Hi Kevin,
>
>Yup, Linux is great for that. It doesn't matter what computer type
>or network transport you use. It all works, as long as it is fast enough.
>If you want to do thin client stuff over wireless, I would recommend
>to go at least with the 54 mbit (G version). It is fast enough to do
>this well. The server should have enough memory and probably should
>be hardwired with a 100baseT or even gigabit connection to your
>wireless router. Definitely run full-duplex. Our office network is
>thin client here in my lab.
>
>-Borries
>---
>Borries Demeler, Ph.D.
>Assistant Professor
>The University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio
>Dept. of Biochemistry, MC 7760
>7703 Floyd Curl Drive, San Antonio, Texas 78229-3901
>Voice: 210-567-6592, Fax: 210-567-1136, Email: demeler@biochem.uthscsa.edu
>
>Please avoid sending me Word, Excel or PowerPoint attachments.
>See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
>
>_______________________________________________
>Satlug mailing list
>Satlug@satlug.org
>http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>
>
From pfrostie at yahoo.com Mon Nov 15 19:39:42 2004
From: pfrostie at yahoo.com (phrostie)
Date: Mon Nov 15 18:19:11 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Solaris 10 = Free
In-Reply-To: <128bff2f04111509522db78cc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <128bff2f04111509522db78cc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200411151939.42856.pfrostie@yahoo.com>
let me know when they give a link to down load the isos
On Mon November 15 2004 06:52 pm, Zeb Fletcher wrote:
> http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041115/ap_on_hi_te/sun_solari
>s10
>
> SAN JOSE, Calif. - After investing roughly $500 million and spending
> years of development time on its next-generation operating system, Sun
> Microsystems Inc. on Monday will announce an aggressive price for the
> software ? free.
>
> Sun, which has never completely rebounded from the tech collapse in
> 2001, hopes the no-cost of Solaris 10 will not only attract customers
> but also expand the number of developers who write programs that work
> on computers running the operating system.
>
>
> The result, Sun believes, will be renewed demand for its servers and
> services. The company also will charge subscription fees for Solaris
> support and service programs that are typically sought by the
> businesses and organizations that Sun targets.
>
>
> "Hewlett Packard sells a printer at a low price and makes a lot of
> money on printer cartridges. Gillette gives you the razor and makes a
> lot of money on the blades," said Scott McNealy, Sun's chief
> executive. "There are different ways to drive market penetration."
>
>
> Solaris 10 will be unveiled Monday at an event in San Jose, though it
> won't be formally released until the end of January. It will work on
> more than 270 computer platforms running on chips from Sun, Intel
> Corp. or Advanced Micro Devices Inc.
>
>
> The price of earlier versions of Solaris typically ran between
> hundreds and thousands of dollars ? depending on the system that was
> being run by the software, said Tom Goguen, Sun's vice president of
> operating platforms.
>
>
> Sun also has promised make the underlying code of Solaris available
> under an open-source license, though the details have not been
> released. With access to the code, Solaris users will be able to take
> advantage of its features when developing their own software and
> systems.
>
>
> The move stands in contrast to Microsoft Corp.'s Windows and other
> proprietary operating systems in which the blueprints are released
> only to select outsiders, if any.
>
>
> And, depending on the final license, it could make Solaris more
> competitive with open-source operating systems like Linux (news - web
> sites) and distributors such as Red Hat Inc.
>
>
> "When we open source, the one advantage we thought Red Hat had is
> gone. Then we both have an advantage with respect to Microsoft,"
> McNealy said. "(Sun has) a worldwide service and support organization,
> which we think is way better than either company in the enterprise."
>
>
> Solaris also will run programs written for the Linux operating system
> without having to make any changes.
>
>
> Though Sun also sells lower-end systems that run Linux, it believes
> Solaris is a better value proposition. To strengthen its case, Solaris
> 10 will include security features that in the past were only part of a
> trusted version sold strictly to government agencies and the military.
>
>
> Sun, a star of the late 1990s tech boom, fell on hard times as
> corporate spending shrunk and rivals like IBM Corp. and
> Hewlett-Packard Co. started offering machines with less expensive
> hardware and software.
>
>
> The Santa Clara-based company has been trying to return to solid
> footing for years, and McNealy said Solaris 10 is an important part of
> the company's transformation.
>
>
> "It's kind of the tent pole ? it just kind of holds up the whole
> deal," he said.
>
>
> Last month, Sun announced its second consecutive quarter of revenue
> growth, though profits remain elusive. McNealy believes the company he
> co-founded in 1982 has already turned the corner, though the
> financials have yet to show it.
>
>
> "There's always a lag with companies our size," McNealy said. "And
> that's assuming we're not making dumb mistakes right now that I don't
> know about."
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and danced the skies on Linux silvered wings.
http://pfrostie.freeservers.com/cad-tastrafy/
http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux
http://www.freelists.org/webpage/cad-linux-dev
From patl at satx.rr.com Mon Nov 15 20:21:58 2004
From: patl at satx.rr.com (J. Patrick Lanigan)
Date: Mon Nov 15 19:59:09 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Solaris 10 = Free
In-Reply-To: <200411151939.42856.pfrostie@yahoo.com>
References: <128bff2f04111509522db78cc@mail.gmail.com>
<200411151939.42856.pfrostie@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41996446.202@satx.rr.com>
phrostie wrote:
> let me know when they give a link to down load the isos
>
You can get it now:
http://wwws.sun.com/software/solaris/solaris-express/get.html
-Patrick
From kefoster at gmail.com Mon Nov 15 21:00:53 2004
From: kefoster at gmail.com (Kevin Foster)
Date: Mon Nov 15 21:11:05 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Thin Clients
In-Reply-To: <4199289A.5030201@fmlug.org>
References: <200411151528.iAFFS8iW027053@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
<4199289A.5030201@fmlug.org>
Message-ID: <6c649da204111519003799f78a@mail.gmail.com>
I am currently running 54 g at home and luckily I do not have any
interference, of course our next house could have some problems. I
will need to look into the cost of 802.11A, but at this time I need to
keep the cost down.
Thanks,
Kevin
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 16:07:22 -0600, Edward Konetzko wrote:
> I would have to recommend 802.11A, less frequency conflicts and it has
> more channels open the b or g. Plus its the same 54mbs as G. A does
> cost a little more since not to many people use it, but the fact that
> not that many people use it is a good thing.
>
>
>
> Borries Demeler wrote:
>
> >>Browse the web
> >>Email
> >>View and listen to Media attachments
> >>Simple word processing
> >>Simple educational games for our daughter
> >>
> >>Also, I would like to be able to do this via wireless. Has anyone
> >>played with thin clients that allow you to do this? I know I can use
> >>laptops but was wondering if anyone else had tried any of the thin
> >>client technology out there.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Hi Kevin,
> >
> >Yup, Linux is great for that. It doesn't matter what computer type
> >or network transport you use. It all works, as long as it is fast enough.
> >If you want to do thin client stuff over wireless, I would recommend
> >to go at least with the 54 mbit (G version). It is fast enough to do
> >this well. The server should have enough memory and probably should
> >be hardwired with a 100baseT or even gigabit connection to your
> >wireless router. Definitely run full-duplex. Our office network is
> >thin client here in my lab.
> >
> >-Borries
> >---
> >Borries Demeler, Ph.D.
> >Assistant Professor
> >The University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio
> >Dept. of Biochemistry, MC 7760
> >7703 Floyd Curl Drive, San Antonio, Texas 78229-3901
> >Voice: 210-567-6592, Fax: 210-567-1136, Email: demeler@biochem.uthscsa.edu
> >
> >Please avoid sending me Word, Excel or PowerPoint attachments.
> >See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Satlug mailing list
> >Satlug@satlug.org
> >http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
From jjsa at gvtc.com Mon Nov 15 21:40:50 2004
From: jjsa at gvtc.com (Jim J)
Date: Mon Nov 15 21:17:38 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] usb card readers
In-Reply-To: <1100500366.5109.5.camel@thomas.camerontech.com>
References: <4196C042.5060508@gvtc.com>
<1100405489.5438.2.camel@ml350.bankofamerica.com> <4196EB92.8090100@gvtc.com>
<1100500366.5109.5.camel@thomas.camerontech.com>
Message-ID: <419976C2.4020601@gvtc.com>
Thomas Cameron wrote:
>On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 23:22 -0600, Jim J wrote:
>
>
>
>>>What is the syntax of your mount command?
>>>
>>>Should be something like:
>>>
>>>mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb
>>>
>>>or maybe
>>>
>>>mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>I used the second command.
>>
>>
>
>Hrm - what does:
>
>fdisk -l /dev/sda
>
>show?
>
>
>
Would you believe it shows nothing. The prompt justs reappears with no
messages.
root@jims:/home/jimj# fdisk -l /dev/sda
root@jims:/home/jimj#
mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/cf
mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device
I'm stumped.
From mikeaw at gmail.com Mon Nov 15 21:51:10 2004
From: mikeaw at gmail.com (Mike Wallace)
Date: Mon Nov 15 21:33:33 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] RealPlayer and unsupported codec
Message-ID: <4154519d041115195165d0ae71@mail.gmail.com>
Silly question time. A certain radio station in town
*cough*KSYM*cough* has a real audio stream up on their web site.
However, when I tried to open the file, RealPlayer gives me this:
"The contect you are trying to play uses an audio codec that is
obsolete and no longer supported. Please contact the content provider
about using a supported codec."
I don't know about you, but wouldn't it be easier just to find the old
codec and use it? Is this possible? RealPlayer 10. Fedora.
-Mike
From mattvaldes at satx.rr.com Mon Nov 15 21:54:54 2004
From: mattvaldes at satx.rr.com (Matt Valdes)
Date: Mon Nov 15 21:37:55 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] usb card readers
In-Reply-To: <419976C2.4020601@gvtc.com>
Message-ID: <000001c4cb90$09de28a0$6600a8c0@Compaq>
-----Original Message-----
>From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On
>Behalf Of Jim J
>Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 9:41 PM
>To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List
>Subject: Re: [SATLUG] usb card readers
>
>Would you believe it shows nothing. The prompt justs reappears with no
>messages.
>root@jims:/home/jimj# fdisk -l /dev/sda
>root@jims:/home/jimj#
>
>mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/cf
>mount: /dev/sda1 is not a valid block device
>I'm stumped.
_______________________________________________
Jim,
I thought I sent this yesterday... but it looks like your card needs to
be partitioned and a file system needs to be created. This is somewhat
common to new cards.
-Matt
From patl at satx.rr.com Mon Nov 15 22:48:39 2004
From: patl at satx.rr.com (J. Patrick Lanigan)
Date: Mon Nov 15 22:25:49 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] RealPlayer and unsupported codec
In-Reply-To: <4154519d041115195165d0ae71@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4154519d041115195165d0ae71@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <419986A7.9050009@satx.rr.com>
Mike Wallace wrote:
> Silly question time. A certain radio station in town
> *cough*KSYM*cough* has a real audio stream up on their web site.
> However, when I tried to open the file, RealPlayer gives me this:
> "The contect you are trying to play uses an audio codec that is
> obsolete and no longer supported. Please contact the content provider
> about using a supported codec."
>
> I don't know about you, but wouldn't it be easier just to find the old
> codec and use it? Is this possible? RealPlayer 10. Fedora.
I tried it on my gentoo box, and indeed, realplay gave the same error.
However, I have the gxine pluggin for firefox installed and, when
clicking on the link, it wants to open by default in gxine. Gxine plays
it fine.
HTH,
Patrick
From rct at gherkin.frus.com Mon Nov 15 23:18:16 2004
From: rct at gherkin.frus.com (Bob Tracy)
Date: Mon Nov 15 23:00:45 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] RealPlayer and unsupported codec
In-Reply-To: <4154519d041115195165d0ae71@mail.gmail.com> "from Mike Wallace at
Nov 15, 2004 09:51:10 pm"
Message-ID: <20041116051816.24D11DBDD@gherkin.frus.com>
Mike Wallace wrote:
> Silly question time. A certain radio station in town
> *cough*KSYM*cough* has a real audio stream up on their web site.
> However, when I tried to open the file, RealPlayer gives me this:
> "The contect you are trying to play uses an audio codec that is
> obsolete and no longer supported. Please contact the content provider
> about using a supported codec."
>
> I don't know about you, but wouldn't it be easier just to find the old
> codec and use it? Is this possible? RealPlayer 10. Fedora.
Two options: (1) lump it; or (2) use RealPlayer 8. Trying to get the
content providers to upgrade is *usually* akin to beating one's head
against a brick wall -- you feel better when you stop. In most cases,
the content providers have decided to support RealAudio as an after-
thought: does KSYM provide a WindowsMedia feed?
--
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
Bob Tracy WTO + WIPO = DMCA? http://www.anti-dmca.org
rct@frus.com
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
From scarolan at gmail.com Tue Nov 16 07:02:17 2004
From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan)
Date: Tue Nov 16 06:44:52 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Thin Clients
In-Reply-To: <6c649da204111519003799f78a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200411151528.iAFFS8iW027053@biochem.uthscsa.edu>
<4199289A.5030201@fmlug.org>
<6c649da204111519003799f78a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <277020fc0411160502dca6f2b@mail.gmail.com>
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:00:53 -0600, Kevin Foster wrote:
> I am currently running 54 g at home and luckily I do not have any
> interference, of course our next house could have some problems. I
> will need to look into the cost of 802.11A, but at this time I need to
> keep the cost down.
Kevin:
I don't know if LTSP (www.ltsp.org) will work with wireless adapters,
although I suppose you could try it. Signal strength is of utmost
importance when you are running remote X sessions.
I would recommend setting up a real light-weight linux distro on each
of your client stations, and set them up to open a remote X session on
the server. This way you don't have to mess with etherboot or PXE to
try and get your thin clients to boot over the network.
regards,
Sean
From jeremymann at gmail.com Tue Nov 16 08:14:27 2004
From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann)
Date: Tue Nov 16 07:56:55 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] RealPlayer and unsupported codec
In-Reply-To: <4154519d041115195165d0ae71@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4154519d041115195165d0ae71@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79ec289f0411160614d5a9b2e@mail.gmail.com>
Mike, this is the older 1.x codec. RealPlayer (for Linux) doesn't
support this. However, you can compile MPlayer with the older Real
codec which works.
On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 21:51:10 -0600, Mike Wallace wrote:
> Silly question time. A certain radio station in town
> *cough*KSYM*cough* has a real audio stream up on their web site.
> However, when I tried to open the file, RealPlayer gives me this:
> "The contect you are trying to play uses an audio codec that is
> obsolete and no longer supported. Please contact the content provider
> about using a supported codec."
>
> I don't know about you, but wouldn't it be easier just to find the old
> codec and use it? Is this possible? RealPlayer 10. Fedora.
>
> -Mike
> _______________________________________________
> Satlug mailing list
> Satlug@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>
--
Jeremy
From WrkWatchr at hotmail.com Tue Nov 16 18:04:43 2004
From: WrkWatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr)
Date: Tue Nov 16 17:47:35 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] OT - Gmail Firewall Question
Message-ID: <002d01c4cc39$0a5cc2b0$6c01a8c0@hplaptop>
I have a problem accessing Gmail on a winblows box here at the homestead. I
have the Computer Associates AV/Firewall programs provided from RR running
in the background.
The only way I can log into Gmail is to disable both the FW and AV programs
to get the browsers to open the page. Otherwise the browser - both IE and/or
Firefox sit and repeatedly try to open the page. I don't ever get a 404
error or anything on the page, just repeated attempts at loading the page.
I have futzed (pls not the use of technical term :-)) with the various
settings on the CA programs to no avail. Gmail is the only page where I have
noticed this problem. Has anyone else experienced and overcome this
problem? Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Roy
From me at jchampion.com Tue Nov 16 20:18:13 2004
From: me at jchampion.com (John Champion)
Date: Tue Nov 16 20:00:39 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] OT - Gmail Firewall Question
References: <002d01c4cc39$0a5cc2b0$6c01a8c0@hplaptop>
Message-ID: <005c01c4cc4b$b528cce0$0200a8c0@blackhole1>
my daddy used to tell me that if you can't go over a fence...go around it.
and that's how we'll tackle your problem.
navigate to http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=12103 and
follow the instructions for your mail client and use pop to check/reply to
your email.
otherwise...fixing the firewall issue will involve figuring out what part of
the gmail transaction is being blocked and open that up.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wrkwatchr"
To: "'The San Antonio Linux User'sGroup Mailing List'"
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 6:04 PM
Subject: [SATLUG] OT - Gmail Firewall Question
I have a problem accessing Gmail on a winblows box here at the homestead. I
have the Computer Associates AV/Firewall programs provided from RR running
in the background.
The only way I can log into Gmail is to disable both the FW and AV programs
to get the browsers to open the page. Otherwise the browser - both IE and/or
Firefox sit and repeatedly try to open the page. I don't ever get a 404
error or anything on the page, just repeated attempts at loading the page.
I have futzed (pls not the use of technical term :-)) with the various
settings on the CA programs to no avail. Gmail is the only page where I have
noticed this problem. Has anyone else experienced and overcome this
problem? Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Roy
_______________________________________________
Satlug mailing list
Satlug@satlug.org
http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
From WrkWatchr at hotmail.com Wed Nov 17 06:47:18 2004
From: WrkWatchr at hotmail.com (Wrkwatchr)
Date: Wed Nov 17 06:30:33 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] OT - Gmail Firewall Question
In-Reply-To: <005c01c4cc4b$b528cce0$0200a8c0@blackhole1>
Message-ID: <000801c4cca3$92a578f0$6c01a8c0@hplaptop>
-----Original Message-----
From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On Behalf
Of John Champion
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 8:18 PM
To: The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] OT - Gmail Firewall Question
my daddy used to tell me that if you can't go over a fence...go around it.
and that's how we'll tackle your problem.
navigate to http://gmail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=12103 and
follow the instructions for your mail client and use pop to check/reply to
your email.
otherwise...fixing the firewall issue will involve figuring out what part of
the gmail transaction is being blocked and open that up.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
John,
I agree - disabling my firewall wasn't the top choice on my list either.
After a few emails to Gmail, that is what I was able to do. When I started
this adventure, I did not have pop3 access available to my Gmail account (if
you read the pop3 information, it is being incrementally implemented to
Gmail accounts and hadn't gotten to mine yet). While I never received a
response from Gmail Customer Service, I miraculously had pop3 and forwarding
implemented on my account soon after my inquiry to Gmail.
Thanks for your assistance. Problem solved and lesson learned - if you are
lacking an "advertised" service in Gmail - complain and it will show up!
Roy
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wrkwatchr"
To: "'The San Antonio Linux User'sGroup Mailing List'"
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 6:04 PM
Subject: [SATLUG] OT - Gmail Firewall Question
I have a problem accessing Gmail on a winblows box here at the homestead. I
have the Computer Associates AV/Firewall programs provided from RR running
in the background.
The only way I can log into Gmail is to disable both the FW and AV programs
to get the browsers to open the page. Otherwise the browser - both IE and/or
Firefox sit and repeatedly try to open the page. I don't ever get a 404
error or anything on the page, just repeated attempts at loading the page.
I have futzed (pls not the use of technical term :-)) with the various
settings on the CA programs to no avail. Gmail is the only page where I have
noticed this problem. Has anyone else experienced and overcome this
problem? Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Roy
_______________________________________________
Satlug mailing list
Satlug@satlug.org
http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
_______________________________________________
Satlug mailing list
Satlug@satlug.org
http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Nov 17 09:30:47 2004
From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann)
Date: Wed Nov 17 09:13:13 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Snort expert
Message-ID: <79ec289f0411170730263e553a@mail.gmail.com>
I'm trying to write a snort filter to detect VNC traffic. So far it
isn't working, so can somebody check my ruleset?
alert tcp $EXTERNAL_NET any -> $HOME_NET 5900:5920 (msg:"VNC Active on
Network"; flow:established; content:"RFB 0"; depth:5; content:".0";
depth:2; offset:7; classtype:misc-activity; sid:560; rev:6;)
--
Jeremy
From jeremymann at gmail.com Wed Nov 17 09:44:10 2004
From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann)
Date: Wed Nov 17 09:26:37 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Nevermind about Snort
Message-ID: <79ec289f041117074441bacb20@mail.gmail.com>
Snort already comes with a ruleset for VNC and it wasn't enabled.
--
Jeremy
From ruben50 at gmail.com Wed Nov 17 19:08:54 2004
From: ruben50 at gmail.com (Ruben G. Villanueva)
Date: Wed Nov 17 18:51:24 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] YUM question
Message-ID: <3dfab63404111717085393b93b@mail.gmail.com>
I have not been able to install RPMs through yum in a while. I keep
getting the following error eventhough i have run yum clean and
updated my GPG keys according to site information:
Downloading Packages
Getting kernel-2.6.9-1.3_FC2.i686.rpm
kernel-2.6.9-1.3_FC2.i686 100% |=========================| 16 MB 00:46
warning: rpmts_HdrFromFdno: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID 4f2a6fd2
Error: Could not find the GPG Key necessary to validate pkg
/var/cache/yum/updates/packages/kernel-2.6.9-1.3_FC2.i686.rpm
Error: You may want to run yum clean or remove the file:
/var/cache/yum/updates/packages/kernel-2.6.9-1.3_FC2.i686.rpm
Error: You may also check that you have the correct GPG keys installed
Please help,
--
Ruben G. Villanueva
4900 USAA Blvd. apt. 311
San Antonio, TX 78240
(210) 355-0881
From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Wed Nov 17 22:47:45 2004
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks)
Date: Wed Nov 17 22:30:13 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] YUM question
In-Reply-To: <3dfab63404111717085393b93b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3dfab63404111717085393b93b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200411172247.45805.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
On Wednesday 17 November 2004 07:08 pm, Ruben G. Villanueva wrote:
> I have not been able to install RPMs through yum in a while. I keep
> getting the following error eventhough i have run yum clean and
> updated my GPG keys according to site information:
First... try:
# rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY
(or whichever key is located by "locate GPG")
What keys did THEY tell you to use?
Tweeks
From ruben50 at gmail.com Thu Nov 18 08:16:17 2004
From: ruben50 at gmail.com (Ruben G. Villanueva)
Date: Thu Nov 18 07:58:48 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] YUM question
In-Reply-To: <200411172247.45805.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
References: <3dfab63404111717085393b93b@mail.gmail.com>
<200411172247.45805.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
Message-ID: <3dfab634041118061644c8a61f@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 22:47:45 -0600, Tom Weeks wrote:
> On Wednesday 17 November 2004 07:08 pm, Ruben G. Villanueva wrote:
> > I have not been able to install RPMs through yum in a while. I keep
> > getting the following error eventhough i have run yum clean and
> > updated my GPG keys according to site information:
>
> First... try:
> # rpm --import /usr/share/rhn/RPM-GPG-KEY
>
> (or whichever key is located by "locate GPG")
>
> What keys did THEY tell you to use?
>
> Tweeks
>
There was a GPG key on the website that is not there anymore.
--
Ruben G. Villanueva
4900 USAA Blvd. apt. 311
San Antonio, TX 78240
(210) 355-0881
From bamse at playstation2-linux.com Thu Nov 18 10:02:13 2004
From: bamse at playstation2-linux.com (Bamse)
Date: Thu Nov 18 09:49:03 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Upgrading Red Hat ES3 to Fedora C2...
In-Reply-To: <200411172247.45805.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
References: <3dfab63404111717085393b93b@mail.gmail.com>
<200411172247.45805.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
Message-ID: <419CC785.2000502@playstation2-linux.com>
Howdy...
I just wonder if anyone have "upgraded" Red Hat ES3 to Fedora C2.
I bought Red Hat ES3 for my wife who wanted to start a company and
needed a server.
The company never took off and now I have a server that I can not update
through the up2date tool since my support expired.
Best thing would be to install Fedora over RH ES, that way I don't have
to reformat any disks etc...
_Before_ I pop in the Fedora CD's and try the install, is there anything
I should know of ?
[Red Hat ES3]$ uname -a
Linux {HostName} 2.4.21-20.ELsmp #1 SMP Wed Aug 18 20:46:40 EDT 2004
i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
/Bamse
From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Nov 18 10:23:29 2004
From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann)
Date: Thu Nov 18 10:05:54 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] =?iso-8859-1?q?Re=3A=A0=5Bsatlug-officers?=
=?iso-8859-1?q?=5D=A0Information=A0request?=
Message-ID: <79ec289f04111808235b3bd753@mail.gmail.com>
Paul, if you post your questions to the main mailing list,
satlug@satlug.org, we will definitely walk you through whatever steps you
have to take. Some of us may even be able to make a house call if you are
still having problems.
Paul Morrison said:
> Officers:
>
> Some time ago some of your members gave a presentation at a meeting
> of the Alamo PC Organization. Since then, I knew that, eventually, I
> would need to know more about Linux. Unfortunately, my need for Linux
> knowledge has taken a huge leap forward, and I am afraid that an
> Installfest event may not be the answer to my requirements. Does your
> organization have a list of Linux consultants? I need to set up two
> systems with Linux running VMWare which in turn will run Windows. There
> are networking concerns for each of these systems. Any assistance that
> you can provide in my search for help would be appreciated. I will
> continue to follow your web site. Perhaps these new systems will
> provide the motivation to finally start attending your meetings.
>
>
> Paul Morrison
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Officers@satlug.org
> http://www.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/officers
>
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From johnshanks at gmail.com Thu Nov 18 14:48:30 2004
From: johnshanks at gmail.com (john shanks)
Date: Thu Nov 18 15:30:55 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Good Hosting
Message-ID: <545786a604111812486e031de4@mail.gmail.com>
I'm looking for a good hosting company. Does anyone know a good
place? I don't need a lot of bandwidth right now, but I want a place
that will be helpful while I figure things out.
--
http://liberalartsstudent.blogspot.com/
From jeremymann at gmail.com Thu Nov 18 16:32:11 2004
From: jeremymann at gmail.com (Jeremy Mann)
Date: Thu Nov 18 16:14:36 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Good Hosting
In-Reply-To: <545786a604111812486e031de4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <545786a604111812486e031de4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79ec289f0411181432398d745e@mail.gmail.com>
John, GoDaddy is pretty good and their cheap. I pay $9.95 a month for
mine and get a lot of perks. Multiple databases, I think 300 or 500
megs of storage... 3 email accounts.. Give them a try.
http://www.godaddy.com
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:48:30 -0600, john shanks wrote:
> I'm looking for a good hosting company. Does anyone know a good
> place? I don't need a lot of bandwidth right now, but I want a place
> that will be helpful while I figure things out.
>
> --
> http://liberalartsstudent.blogspot.com/
> _______________________________________________
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> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
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From jftitan at satx.rr.com Thu Nov 18 16:46:02 2004
From: jftitan at satx.rr.com (Joseph Forbes)
Date: Thu Nov 18 16:28:41 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Good Hosting
In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0411181432398d745e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200411182246.iAIMkDYn017916@ms-smtp-01-eri0.texas.rr.com>
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Could even look into www.powweb.com I have used them for over 3 years
only paying a flat rate of $7.75 monthly... With the execption that
if you pay for a year in advance you get a month of two free, plus no
setup fees. One thing about powweb is that they constantly improve
over the years. When I first signed up, I got only 100MB storage and
5 email accounts, today they give out 1GB of storage, and more than
enough in pop email accounts. For the same price. I believe if you
sign up for two years you get 4 months free.
The message boards are very helpful. Give them a look.
Joseph Forbes "Don't Forget to Salt the Fries!"
Network Security Administrator
SwapNEtwork eXtreme, www.swapnetx.com
- -----Original Message-----
From: satlug-bounces@satlug.org [mailto:satlug-bounces@satlug.org] On
Behalf Of Jeremy Mann
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 4:32 PM
To: john shanks; The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Good Hosting
John, GoDaddy is pretty good and their cheap. I pay $9.95 a month for
mine and get a lot of perks. Multiple databases, I think 300 or 500
megs of storage... 3 email accounts.. Give them a try.
http://www.godaddy.com
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:48:30 -0600, john shanks
wrote:
> I'm looking for a good hosting company. Does anyone know a good
> place? I don't need a lot of bandwidth right now, but I want a
> place that will be helpful while I figure things out.
>
> --
> http://liberalartsstudent.blogspot.com/
> _______________________________________________
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> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
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From pandemic at syn-recon.net Thu Nov 18 16:55:34 2004
From: pandemic at syn-recon.net (pandemic@syn-recon.net)
Date: Thu Nov 18 16:38:00 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Good Hosting
In-Reply-To: <545786a604111812486e031de4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <545786a604111812486e031de4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <419D2866.4040708@syn-recon.net>
john shanks wrote:
> I'm looking for a good hosting company. Does anyone know a good
> place? I don't need a lot of bandwidth right now, but I want a place
> that will be helpful while I figure things out.
>
Are you looking for a shared host or a dedicated server ?
GoDaddy is good for shared hosting. If your looking for a dedicated
server I'd look at ServerBeach (if you don't need support) or Rackspace
(if you need great support)
Florian
From chardon47 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 18 14:56:59 2004
From: chardon47 at yahoo.com (Bill)
Date: Thu Nov 18 16:39:23 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Good Hosting
In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0411181432398d745e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20041118225659.41628.qmail@web50801.mail.yahoo.com>
I have been using godaddy for years. Pretty good deal all around.
Jeremy Mann wrote:John, GoDaddy is pretty good and their cheap. I pay $9.95 a month for
mine and get a lot of perks. Multiple databases, I think 300 or 500
megs of storage... 3 email accounts.. Give them a try.
http://www.godaddy.com
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:48:30 -0600, john shanks wrote:
> I'm looking for a good hosting company. Does anyone know a good
> place? I don't need a lot of bandwidth right now, but I want a place
> that will be helpful while I figure things out.
>
> --
> http://liberalartsstudent.blogspot.com/
> _______________________________________________
> Satlug mailing list
> Satlug@satlug.org
> http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
>
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From chardon47 at yahoo.com Thu Nov 18 14:59:05 2004
From: chardon47 at yahoo.com (Bill)
Date: Thu Nov 18 16:41:29 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Good Hosting
In-Reply-To: <419D2866.4040708@syn-recon.net>
Message-ID: <20041118225905.18918.qmail@web50805.mail.yahoo.com>
Also, check out www.dotcom-productions.com
It is run by a buddy of mine up in British Columbia named Reg.
You can email him at reg@dotcom-productions.com and ask him about hosting. He can usually give you a good deal and he has lots of contacts if you want a dedicated server.
"pandemic@syn-recon.net" wrote:
john shanks wrote:
> I'm looking for a good hosting company. Does anyone know a good
> place? I don't need a lot of bandwidth right now, but I want a place
> that will be helpful while I figure things out.
>
Are you looking for a shared host or a dedicated server ?
GoDaddy is good for shared hosting. If your looking for a dedicated
server I'd look at ServerBeach (if you don't need support) or Rackspace
(if you need great support)
Florian
_______________________________________________
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http://alamo.satlug.org/mailman/listinfo/satlug
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"Some people try to turn back their odometers. Not me, I want people to know "why" I look this way. I've traveled a long way and some of the roads weren't paved." ~ Will Rogers
From wmail at wricomp.com Thu Nov 18 17:15:19 2004
From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright)
Date: Thu Nov 18 16:57:45 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Good Hosting
In-Reply-To: <79ec289f0411181432398d745e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <545786a604111812486e031de4@mail.gmail.com>
<79ec289f0411181432398d745e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID:
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:32:11 -0600, Jeremy Mann
wrote:
>John, GoDaddy is pretty good and their cheap. I pay $9.95 a month for
>mine and get a lot of perks. Multiple databases, I think 300 or 500
>megs of storage... 3 email accounts.. Give them a try.
>
>http://www.godaddy.com
Seconded. They have a (free) quick starter page template system to get you
online fast, and then pretty full DNS control for when you need it. The
webmail works, the control panels work, and I have very little complaint
about operations. Twice, at least, they have taken add-on features and
made them free to existing customers[1], not just for new clients.
Biggest peeve is the full help system is hard to search, so you can spend
a lot of time looking for answers. But I do recommend them to my friends
and clients.
Now if you need features they don't offer, let the list know and we might
have different advice. There's this local hosting company that's mentioned
on www.satlug.org, for example. --Don
[1] Yes, even the cheapskate domain-name-only clients, paying $10 per year
and getting about $30 in features.
From johnshanks at gmail.com Thu Nov 18 17:51:33 2004
From: johnshanks at gmail.com (john shanks)
Date: Thu Nov 18 17:34:40 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Good Hosting
In-Reply-To:
References: <545786a604111812486e031de4@mail.gmail.com>
<79ec289f0411181432398d745e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <545786a6041118155176d246c9@mail.gmail.com>
I'm just looking for a shared host. Thanks for the help, you seem
pretty unanimous.
GoDaddy looks pretty good, a couple of other people also recommended
1&1 to me. ( http://www.1and1.com/ )
Does anyone know anything about them?
--
http://liberalartsstudent.blogspot.com/
From r00t_rulz at lycos.com Thu Nov 18 20:02:25 2004
From: r00t_rulz at lycos.com (John Williams)
Date: Thu Nov 18 18:44:49 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Linux violates 228 patents...
Message-ID: <20041119010225.4F74586B0D@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com>
Would someone please explain this to me? What patents are they talking about? Is M$ going to continue the battle started by SCO? I found this article on reuters today....
"Linux violates more than 228 patents, according to a recent report from a research group, Microsoft Chief Executive Steve Ballmer said at the company's Asian Government Leaders Forum in Singapore."
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=technologyNews&storyID=6857946
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From country at the-cia.net Thu Nov 18 19:22:38 2004
From: country at the-cia.net (cb)
Date: Thu Nov 18 19:06:31 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Linux violates 228 patents...
In-Reply-To: <20041119010225.4F74586B0D@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20041119010225.4F74586B0D@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <419D4ADD.20608@the-cia.net>
MicroSloth is so scared of Linux they are doing anything they can to
keep it away from the public...
John Williams wrote:
>Would someone please explain this to me? What patents are they talking about? Is M$ going to continue the battle started by SCO? I found this article on reuters today....
>
>"Linux violates more than 228 patents, according to a recent report from a research group, Microsoft Chief Executive Steve Ballmer said at the company's Asian Government Leaders Forum in Singapore."
>
>http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=technologyNews&storyID=6857946
>
>
>
>
>
From scarolan at gmail.com Thu Nov 18 19:31:44 2004
From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan)
Date: Thu Nov 18 19:14:08 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Upgrading Red Hat ES3 to Fedora C2...
In-Reply-To: <419CC785.2000502@playstation2-linux.com>
References: <3dfab63404111717085393b93b@mail.gmail.com>
<200411172247.45805.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
<419CC785.2000502@playstation2-linux.com>
Message-ID: <277020fc04111817313a39fe3d@mail.gmail.com>
> _Before_ I pop in the Fedora CD's and try the install, is there anything
> I should know of ?
>
> [Red Hat ES3]$ uname -a
> Linux {HostName} 2.4.21-20.ELsmp #1 SMP Wed Aug 18 20:46:40 EDT 2004
> i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
We did not 'upgrade' from RHEL3 per se, but I did mix and match a lot
of RPMs. The core architecture seems to be nearly identical, the main
difference is that with RHEL you pay for updates and support, and with
FC you depend on mailing lists and user groups to solve your problems.
From scarolan at gmail.com Thu Nov 18 19:43:00 2004
From: scarolan at gmail.com (Sean Carolan)
Date: Thu Nov 18 19:25:26 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Upgrading Red Hat ES3 to Fedora C2...
In-Reply-To: <277020fc04111817313a39fe3d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3dfab63404111717085393b93b@mail.gmail.com>
<200411172247.45805.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
<419CC785.2000502@playstation2-linux.com>
<277020fc04111817313a39fe3d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <277020fc04111817437ac327a7@mail.gmail.com>
I should add to that - here's the reason why I was using Fedora Core
RPMs on my RHEL box - I found out that the "Desktop" edition of RHEL
was significantly crippled - the up2date repository channel for the
box set I bought didn't even have basic packages like mysqld and
others, presumably because someone who uses a desktop computer would
never need a database (!?!?)
Anyway after speaking with a sales rep at RedHat I decided that it was
not worth it for us to pay a bunch of money when I would be doing all
the support and customization work myself. So we switched to Fedora
Core 2 and have been happy campers since then. I have found it to be
pretty rock solid, and we throw a lot of tasks at our main server
everyday.
On my laptop I run Fedora Core 3 and just mount my home directory on
the server using autofs. Works great, the latest version of Evolution
is real slick and easy to use. Much nicer than MS Outlook in my
humble opinion.
From r00t_rulz at lycos.com Thu Nov 18 21:28:08 2004
From: r00t_rulz at lycos.com (John Williams)
Date: Thu Nov 18 20:10:33 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Linux violates 228 patents...
Message-ID: <20041119022808.A05A8E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com>
This just keeps getting better:
http://swpat.ffii.org/index.en.html
----- Original Message -----
From: cb
To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List"
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Linux violates 228 patents...
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:22:38 -0600
>
> MicroSloth is so scared of Linux they are doing anything they can to
> keep it away from the public...
>
>
>
> John Williams wrote:
>
> >Would someone please explain this to me? What patents are they talking about? Is M$ going to continue the battle started by SCO? I found this article on reuters today....
> >
> >"Linux violates more than 228 patents, according to a recent report from a research group, Microsoft Chief Executive Steve Ballmer said at the company's Asian Government Leaders Forum in Singapore."
> >
> >http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=technologyNews&storyID=6857946
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
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From me at jchampion.com Thu Nov 18 22:22:14 2004
From: me at jchampion.com (John Champion)
Date: Thu Nov 18 22:04:35 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Good Hosting
References: <545786a604111812486e031de4@mail.gmail.com>
<79ec289f0411181432398d745e@mail.gmail.com>
<545786a6041118155176d246c9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00d001c4cdef$5b170690$0200a8c0@blackhole1>
sorry to chime in late. i've been providing hosting to people for quite some
time now and i can honestly tell you that there are a lot of good and cheap
companies out there.
the best ones i know of are exa-byte.com, affordablehost.com, and there are
many others.
you can check on your choices at webhostingtalk.com
the things to look out for are folks promising unlimted bandwidth or
storage. odds are they are overselling.
also remember to check out service by doing simple google searches on them.
see what the complaints are and if there is a recurrent theme or if there
are just some cranks. also make sure that you aren't being hosted by a
spamhaus. there's nothing worse than being on a mailblock. it's murder
getting off of them.
and finally...and most importantly...make sure that your provider is able to
give you the level of support that you will need. some providers, like
myself, do this in their spare time, and don't have a staff. i cater to
people who just want things setup for them and that's it.
and surprisingly enough...i have a lot of customers in that category.
just be very careful. there are a lot of companies out there. some good and
some bad...and some very bad.
i hope this helps you out and good luck.
----- Original Message -----
From: "john shanks"
To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List"
Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 5:51 PM
Subject: [SATLUG] Good Hosting
> I'm just looking for a shared host. Thanks for the help, you seem
> pretty unanimous.
>
> GoDaddy looks pretty good, a couple of other people also recommended
> 1&1 to me. ( http://www.1and1.com/ )
>
> Does anyone know anything about them?
>
> --
> http://liberalartsstudent.blogspot.com/
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From tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org Fri Nov 19 00:21:38 2004
From: tweeksjunk2 at theweeks.org (Tom Weeks)
Date: Fri Nov 19 00:04:13 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] YUM question
In-Reply-To: <3dfab634041118061644c8a61f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3dfab63404111717085393b93b@mail.gmail.com>
<200411172247.45805.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
<3dfab634041118061644c8a61f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200411190021.38178.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
On Thursday 18 November 2004 08:16 am, Ruben G. Villanueva wrote:
> There was a GPG key on the website that is not there anymore.
You mean here?
http://www.fedora.us/FEDORA-GPG-KEY
Here.. follow this guy's lead and pull in all the popular keys:
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004-July/msg03750.html
(couple are broken.. just leave those out)
Tweeks
From ruben50 at gmail.com Fri Nov 19 08:42:32 2004
From: ruben50 at gmail.com (Ruben G. Villanueva)
Date: Fri Nov 19 08:25:00 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] YUM question
In-Reply-To: <200411190021.38178.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
References: <3dfab63404111717085393b93b@mail.gmail.com>
<200411172247.45805.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
<3dfab634041118061644c8a61f@mail.gmail.com>
<200411190021.38178.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
Message-ID: <3dfab6340411190642663dd402@mail.gmail.com>
I got it off the freshrpms.net website, but i will try these when i get home.
Thanks
--
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4900 USAA Blvd. apt. 311
San Antonio, TX 78240
(210) 355-0881
From gwillden at gmail.com Fri Nov 19 11:13:45 2004
From: gwillden at gmail.com (Greg Willden)
Date: Fri Nov 19 10:56:09 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Linux violates 228 patents...
In-Reply-To: <20041119010225.4F74586B0D@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20041119010225.4F74586B0D@ws7-1.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <345e55a5041119091335bbb087@mail.gmail.com>
On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:02:25 -0500, John Williams wrote:
> Would someone please explain this to me? What patents are they talking about? Is M$ going to continue the battle started by SCO? I found this article on reuters today....
>
> "Linux violates more than 228 patents, according to a recent report from a research group, Microsoft Chief Executive Steve Ballmer said at the company's Asian Government Leaders Forum in Singapore."
>
>
He is twisting the results of a study conducted by OSRM. The study
actually said that Linux _potentially_ infringes on X patents. There
is a big difference.
There is a really good description of this on Groklaw right now.
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20041118224916429
Clearly Microsoft has been found guilty of infringing many many
software patents. The Eolas patent comes to mind. However, there
have been no cases finding Linux to be infringing. First of all the
patent has to be proven valid, which many of them are not.
Stevie is spreading FUD again. That's all there is to it.
Greg
--
To know recursion, you must first know recursion.
From dcollins1 at satx.rr.com Fri Nov 19 16:12:38 2004
From: dcollins1 at satx.rr.com (danny collins)
Date: Fri Nov 19 15:55:13 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Good Hosting
In-Reply-To: <200411191800.iAJI0DY22405@alamo.satlug.org>
Message-ID: <000201c4ce84$e4fff0c0$0300a8c0@drdan>
Hi John,
I usually don't post but I use www.hostcaters.com
They are local and though they are not the cheapest they are
Very reliable and excellent customer service, you will also find
You can also inquire about them at webhostingtalk.com.
I've had their service since 1999.
That's me two sense.
Danny
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3. Re: YUM question (Tom Weeks)
4. Re: YUM question (Ruben G. Villanueva)
5. Re: Linux violates 228 patents... (Greg Willden)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 21:28:08 -0500
From: "John Williams"
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Linux violates 228 patents...
To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List"
Message-ID: <20041119022808.A05A8E5BC7@ws7-2.us4.outblaze.com>
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This just keeps getting better:
http://swpat.ffii.org/index.en.html
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From: cb
To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List"
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Linux violates 228 patents...
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 19:22:38 -0600
>
> MicroSloth is so scared of Linux they are doing anything they can to
> keep it away from the public...
>
>
>
> John Williams wrote:
>
> >Would someone please explain this to me? What patents are they talking
about? Is M$ going to continue the battle started by SCO? I found this
article on reuters today....
> >
> >"Linux violates more than 228 patents, according to a recent report from
a research group, Microsoft Chief Executive Steve Ballmer said at the
company's Asian Government Leaders Forum in Singapore."
> >
>
>http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=technologyNews&storyID=685794
6
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 22:22:14 -0600
From: "John Champion"
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Good Hosting
To: "john shanks" , "The San Antonio Linux
User'sGroup Mailing List"
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sorry to chime in late. i've been providing hosting to people for quite some
time now and i can honestly tell you that there are a lot of good and cheap
companies out there.
the best ones i know of are exa-byte.com, affordablehost.com, and there are
many others.
you can check on your choices at webhostingtalk.com
the things to look out for are folks promising unlimted bandwidth or
storage. odds are they are overselling.
also remember to check out service by doing simple google searches on them.
see what the complaints are and if there is a recurrent theme or if there
are just some cranks. also make sure that you aren't being hosted by a
spamhaus. there's nothing worse than being on a mailblock. it's murder
getting off of them.
and finally...and most importantly...make sure that your provider is able to
give you the level of support that you will need. some providers, like
myself, do this in their spare time, and don't have a staff. i cater to
people who just want things setup for them and that's it.
and surprisingly enough...i have a lot of customers in that category.
just be very careful. there are a lot of companies out there. some good and
some bad...and some very bad.
i hope this helps you out and good luck.
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Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 5:51 PM
Subject: [SATLUG] Good Hosting
> I'm just looking for a shared host. Thanks for the help, you seem
> pretty unanimous.
>
> GoDaddy looks pretty good, a couple of other people also recommended
> 1&1 to me. ( http://www.1and1.com/ )
>
> Does anyone know anything about them?
>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 00:21:38 -0600
From: Tom Weeks
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] YUM question
To: "Ruben G. Villanueva" , "The San Antonio
Linux User's Group Mailing List"
Message-ID: <200411190021.38178.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
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On Thursday 18 November 2004 08:16 am, Ruben G. Villanueva wrote:
> There was a GPG key on the website that is not there anymore.
You mean here?
http://www.fedora.us/FEDORA-GPG-KEY
Here.. follow this guy's lead and pull in all the popular keys:
http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-list/2004-July/msg03750.html
(couple are broken.. just leave those out)
Tweeks
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 08:42:32 -0600
From: "Ruben G. Villanueva"
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] YUM question
To: SATLUG Mailing List
Message-ID: <3dfab6340411190642663dd402@mail.gmail.com>
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I got it off the freshrpms.net website, but i will try these when i get
home.
Thanks
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4900 USAA Blvd. apt. 311
San Antonio, TX 78240
(210) 355-0881
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 11:13:45 -0600
From: Greg Willden
Subject: Re: [SATLUG] Linux violates 228 patents...
To: "The San Antonio Linux User's Group Mailing List"
Message-ID: <345e55a5041119091335bbb087@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 20:02:25 -0500, John Williams
wrote:
> Would someone please explain this to me? What patents are they talking
about? Is M$ going to continue the battle started by SCO? I found this
article on reuters today....
>
> "Linux violates more than 228 patents, according to a recent report from a
research group, Microsoft Chief Executive Steve Ballmer said at the
company's Asian Government Leaders Forum in Singapore."
>
>
He is twisting the results of a study conducted by OSRM. The study
actually said that Linux _potentially_ infringes on X patents. There
is a big difference.
There is a really good description of this on Groklaw right now.
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20041118224916429
Clearly Microsoft has been found guilty of infringing many many
software patents. The Eolas patent comes to mind. However, there
have been no cases finding Linux to be infringing. First of all the
patent has to be proven valid, which many of them are not.
Stevie is spreading FUD again. That's all there is to it.
Greg
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From ruben50 at gmail.com Fri Nov 19 17:29:52 2004
From: ruben50 at gmail.com (Ruben G. Villanueva)
Date: Fri Nov 19 17:12:15 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Mouse Stick
Message-ID: <3dfab63404111915293c291f72@mail.gmail.com>
Do you guys happen to know how to disable the mouse stick on a laptop
under linux. I was able to disable it on my winblows partition, am am
just lost under linus because it's not in the control center.
--
Ruben G. Villanueva
4900 USAA Blvd. apt. 311
San Antonio, TX 78240
(210) 355-0881
From patl at satx.rr.com Fri Nov 19 17:47:37 2004
From: patl at satx.rr.com (J. Patrick Lanigan)
Date: Fri Nov 19 17:24:05 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Mouse Stick
In-Reply-To: <3dfab63404111915293c291f72@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3dfab63404111915293c291f72@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <419E8619.2040804@satx.rr.com>
Ruben G. Villanueva wrote:
> Do you guys happen to know how to disable the mouse stick on a laptop
> under linux. I was able to disable it on my winblows partition, am am
> just lost under linus because it's not in the control center.
You can probably just comment out the block that pertains to it in:
/etc/X11/xorg.conf if you use X.Org as your X server.
-or-
/etc/X11/XF86Config-4 if you are still using XFree.
HTH,
Patrick
From satlug at pervy.custard.org Fri Nov 19 19:12:52 2004
From: satlug at pervy.custard.org (Cliff @ satlug)
Date: Fri Nov 19 17:55:12 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Meeting notes
In-Reply-To: <200411131619.59546.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
References: <1100278586.1106.81.camel@laptop>
<200411131619.59546.tweeksjunk2@theweeks.org>
Message-ID: <1100909572.5385.12.camel@cpe-065-184-036-022.nc.rr.com>
*grin* I like that - I walked into the exam cold and still passed the
rhel 3 exam with over 95%. I guess though I do have the 1+ yr
experience. Was a tough exam, with the volume of stuff to do even
without the multiple choice any more.
later tom :)
Cliff.
On Sat, 2004-11-13 at 17:19, Tom Weeks wrote:
> On Friday 12 November 2004 10:56 am, Chuck wrote:
>
> > Thanks for an excellent presentation Tom and for stepping up to the
> > plate on short notice. Now, to get down to studying...
>
> Thanx Chuck.. it was fun... Got me into thinking about going back for the
> latest version to see what tricks RH has up their sleeves now. Although as
> previously discussed... probably the only half way decent study guide for all
> the core material (no pun intended) is this newer version if the one that I
> mentioned:
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0072253657/
>
> And don't forget about the study site:
> http://www.rhce2b.com/
>
> Couple of important points... The RHCE only has a real world pass rate of
> around 35-40%... And to really "KNOW" all the material.. you really need to
> have been using Linux, every day, hopefully in an admin or IT type roll for
> around 1 year or so... and have spent around 6 months beefing up on the vast
> number of subjects, daemons, and subsystems that Red Hat ships with:
> https://www.redhat.com/training/rhce/examprep.html
>
> If anyone's interested in a formal one to three week course covering all of
> the required knowledge... maybe we can organize something through SAC or the
> like... :)
>
> If so.. let myself AND Steve Kolars know off list...
>
> L8ER...
>
> Tweeks
>
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From yatinhat at yahoo.com Fri Nov 19 16:33:15 2004
From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti)
Date: Fri Nov 19 18:15:38 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Fedora 3 doesn't work under VMWare
In-Reply-To: <200411181801.iAII19Y15229@alamo.satlug.org>
Message-ID: <20041120003316.27464.qmail@web50105.mail.yahoo.com>
Has anybody tried setting up Fedora Core 3 using
VMWare?
From satlug at pervy.custard.org Fri Nov 19 19:39:16 2004
From: satlug at pervy.custard.org (Cliff @ satlug)
Date: Fri Nov 19 18:21:38 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Fedora 3 doesn't work under VMWare
In-Reply-To: <20041120003316.27464.qmail@web50105.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041120003316.27464.qmail@web50105.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1100911156.5385.14.camel@cpe-065-184-036-022.nc.rr.com>
On Fri, 2004-11-19 at 19:33, Mary Yatti wrote:
> Has anybody tried setting up Fedora Core 3 using
> VMWare?
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Taken from Fedora Core 3 release notes - this may be what you are
looking for.
Cliff.
Note
VMware WS 4.5.2 is known to work on Fedora Core 3 after the following
workarounds are used:
o You must upgrade the kernel modules and configuration using the
unofficial vmware-any-any-* toolkit available from:
[5]http://platan.vc.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/
o After vmware-config.pl is run and the VMware modules are loaded,
the
following command creates the /sys/class/* nodes needed for udev:
cp -rp /dev/vm* /etc/udev/devices/
From yatinhat at yahoo.com Fri Nov 19 16:39:51 2004
From: yatinhat at yahoo.com (Mary Yatti)
Date: Fri Nov 19 18:22:14 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] OT: SATLUG XMas party
In-Reply-To: <200411181801.iAII19Y15229@alamo.satlug.org>
Message-ID: <20041120003951.99330.qmail@web50109.mail.yahoo.com>
Chuck,
When is the Xmas party? I haven't made it to any
recent meetings because I have class during that time.
I think that sandwiches, pizza, etc.. would be nice.
From corpustexn at yahoo.com Fri Nov 19 17:51:58 2004
From: corpustexn at yahoo.com (Tim)
Date: Fri Nov 19 19:34:21 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] run old software on new os
Message-ID: <20041120015158.69258.qmail@web50004.mail.yahoo.com>
Hi, everyone. I just recently subscribed to your list
and am happy to see a lot of activity. I currently
live in Corpus, and while the local group is OK, there
just isn't much going on other than updating machines.
I have a question that I feel should have an easy
answer, but I have been unable to find that answer. I
am currently using SUSE 9.2 pro. A game that I
discovered while using Mandrake 8.2 Tuxpuck, doesn't
compile on my new SUSE, or for that matter, anything
else I've tried. That includes
a Red Hat, Fedora, SuSE 9.0, and Mandrake 10. The
games version is tuxpuck-0.7.91. The list of errors
is substantial. I'm guessing what is going on is the
sdl installed is newer and not compatible with the
required version. This isn't terribly important,
obviously, but I read an interview with Linus
recently, and he mentioned that software from the 90's
will still work with modern Linux's. More recent
version of Tuxpuck have installed OK, but it is the
old version I enjoy. Please excuse my inability to be
concise and perhaps precise! I'm a construction
worker! Ha! Anyway, if anyone can point me in the
right direction I would appreciate it. I do my own
computers, and usually solve my own problems, but this
one has me stumped. Thanks.
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From wmail at wricomp.com Fri Nov 19 19:57:42 2004
From: wmail at wricomp.com (Don Wright)
Date: Fri Nov 19 19:40:01 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] OT: SATLUG XMas party
In-Reply-To: <20041120003951.99330.qmail@web50109.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <200411181801.iAII19Y15229@alamo.satlug.org>
<20041120003951.99330.qmail@web50109.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID:
On Fri, 19 Nov 2004 16:39:51 -0800 (PST), Mary Yatti
wrote:
>Chuck,
>
>When is the Xmas party? I haven't made it to any
>recent meetings because I have class during that time.
At the last meeting the date of Wed. Dec. 15 was selected.
>I think that sandwiches, pizza, etc.. would be nice.
Menu, if any, is still pending. Since a LAN party is also proposed,
system-friendly foods would be a plus.
From tx_kewtie at earthlink.net Fri Nov 19 20:04:14 2004
From: tx_kewtie at earthlink.net (Jesika)
Date: Fri Nov 19 19:46:19 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] OT: SATLUG XMas party
In-Reply-To:
References: <200411181801.iAII19Y15229@alamo.satlug.org>
<20041120003951.99330.qmail@web50109.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <419EA61E.3020005@earthlink.net>
Don Wright wrote:
>At the last meeting the date of Wed. Dec. 15 was selected.
>
Awww, bummer! I was figuring I could go, since I'm just about done with
school, but my finals are on the 15th. Oh well... next year!
Jesika
From pfrostie at yahoo.com Fri Nov 19 21:42:07 2004
From: pfrostie at yahoo.com (phrostie)
Date: Fri Nov 19 20:22:11 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] run old software on new os
In-Reply-To: <20041120015158.69258.qmail@web50004.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20041120015158.69258.qmail@web50004.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200411192142.07704.pfrostie@yahoo.com>
i think what you need to look at is called ldd
it will tell you have version the binary is built/linked against
try something like: ldd //tuxpack
it should give you a list of libs that includes versions.
On Sat November 20 2004 02:51 am, Tim wrote:
> Hi, everyone. I just recently subscribed to your list
> and am happy to see a lot of activity. I currently
> live in Corpus, and while the local group is OK, there
> just isn't much going on other than updating machines.
> I have a question that I feel should have an easy
> answer, but I have been unable to find that answer. I
> am currently using SUSE 9.2 pro. A game that I
> discovered while using Mandrake 8.2 Tuxpuck, doesn't
> compile on my new SUSE, or for that matter, anything
> else I've tried. That includes
> a Red Hat, Fedora, SuSE 9.0, and Mandrake 10. The
> games version is tuxpuck-0.7.91. The list of errors
> is substantial. I'm guessing what is going on is the
> sdl installed is newer and not compatible with the
> required version. This isn't terribly important,
> obviously, but I read an interview with Linus
> recently, and he mentioned that software from the 90's
> will still work with modern Linux's. More recent
> version of Tuxpuck have installed OK, but it is the
> old version I enjoy. Please excuse my inability to be
> concise and perhaps precise! I'm a construction
> worker! Ha! Anyway, if anyone can point me in the
> right direction I would appreciate it. I do my own
> computers, and usually solve my own problems, but this
> one has me stumped. Thanks.
>
>
>
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From bculpepper at satx.rr.com Fri Nov 19 20:47:00 2004
From: bculpepper at satx.rr.com (Bill Culpepper)
Date: Fri Nov 19 20:29:16 2004
Subject: [SATLUG] Good Hosting
References: <545786a604111812486e031de4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002701c4ceab$35947df0$6400a8c0@alaska>
I have just move my site over to www.jkahosting.com, they have share and
dedicated servers both and choice of linux or M$ servers. They are very
competively priced also with 24/7 support.
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