I have seen these kind of documentaries over and over and the agriculture sections are simply to irrelevant in the UK. The farming standards here are far beyond even our European neighbours. In fact we have some of the highest standards for animal welfare in the world.

(Original post by DiddyDec)
I have seen these kind of documentaries over and over and the agriculture sections are simply to irrelevant in the UK. The farming standards here are far beyond even our European neighbours. In fact we have some of the highest standards for animal welfare in the world.

You've never been to one of these factory farms have you... You would not be saying stuff like that.

(Original post by DiddyDec)
I have been on factory farms in the UK and the standards are actually better than your average farmer because they are much more heavily scrutinised by the general public.

There is no "better". So-called standards and humane killings are a joke.

By definition alone, slaughter and slavery are radically cruel and can never be humane even if animals live on free-range/freedom/organic/cage-free/antibiotic-free/hormone-free/grass-fed/local farms, or are murdered with a 'knife and a prayer' in accordance with ancient religious blood-draining customs.
If animals go into slaughterhouses alive and come out chopped up into hundreds of pieces, how could anyone claim that they aren't being mistreated, abused, tortured and terrorized?

(Original post by daydreamer4life)
There is no "better". So-called standards and humane killings are a joke.

By definition alone, slaughter and slavery are radically cruel and can never be humane even if animals live on free-range/freedom/organic/cage-free/antibiotic-free/hormone-free/grass-fed/local farms, or are murdered with a 'knife and a prayer' in accordance with ancient religious blood-draining customs.
If animals go into slaughterhouses alive and come out chopped up into hundreds of pieces, how could anyone claim that they aren't being mistreated, abused, tortured and terrorized?

Before this conversation goes any further. You need to look up the definition of murder.

(Original post by DiddyDec)
Before this conversation goes any further. You need to look up the definition of murder.

If being "politically correct" is your biggest concern, then there is no point in discussing the topic further with you.

Whether it's murder or kill, you are still taking the life of someone who doesn't want to die.

Victimizers and oppressors always deny that victims suffer, feel pain or are intelligent.
This allows enslavement and killing(I would use the term murder but I'm going to use terminology you might actually comprehend) do happen nonchalantly and guilt-free.
The victimizers' mind-set goes like this: "You don't count because you're stupid. You don't matter because you're dumb. I laugh at your suffering. I'll kill you when I want to. I'll sell you and your family. You're worthless. You don't think the way I do. Prove to me why I should be kind to you. Prove to me that you deserve to be free."

So even though victims always look and act differently from each other ( lobsters, cows, pigs, blacks, women, Christians, Muslims, Jews, witches, Gypsies, Rwandans, etc.), they've suffered equally because of the victimizers' mind-set.

It's so trite that a few people with common sense have to continually explain why the majority of people shouldn't be enslaving and killing (murdering) innocents en masse.
This bothers me: Why do oppressors think they're more important than THE OPPRESSED? Why do tormentors believe they're more important than THE TORMENTED? What kind of sociopath thinks killers(murderers) are more important than THE KILLED (MURDERED)?

(Original post by daydreamer4life)
If being "politically correct" is your biggest concern, then there is no point in discussing the topic further with you.

Whether it's murder or kill, you are still taking the life of someone who doesn't want to die.

Victimizers and oppressors always deny that victims suffer, feel pain or are intelligent.
This allows enslavement and killing(I would use the term murder but I'm going to use terminology you might actually comprehend) do happen nonchalantly and guilt-free.
The victimizers' mind-set goes like this: "You don't count because you're stupid. You don't matter because you're dumb. I laugh at your suffering. I'll kill you when I want to. I'll sell you and your family. You're worthless. You don't think the way I do. Prove to me why I should be kind to you. Prove to me that you deserve to be free."

So even though victims always look and act differently from each other ( lobsters, cows, pigs, blacks, women, Christians, Muslims, Jews, witches, Gypsies, Rwandans, etc.), they've suffered equally because of the victimizers' mind-set.

It's so trite that a few people with common sense have to continually explain why the majority of people shouldn't be enslaving and killing (murdering) innocents en masse.
This bothers me: Why do oppressors think they're more important than THE OPPRESSED? Why do tormentors believe they're more important than THE TORMENTED? What kind of sociopath thinks killers(murderers) are more important than THE KILLED (MURDERED)?

Murder can only be committed by a human on another human.

There is no point trying to preach to me. I both support UK agricultural and I am a keen hunter whether it be on horseback or with a rifle.

Yes indeed. You do seem a lost cause. Killing for sport is even worse because you're being selfish. You don't hunt for food to survive. You hunt for the thrill of the kill. To receive a "rush". A super-shot of adrenaline. It's bloodlust and dominance. It's arrogance and selfishness. It's hatred and brutality. It's dishonor and viciousness. It's just plain obscene.

I bet you support the badger and fox cull too

Anyway, if you don't want my opinion, Don't get into a discussion with me.

(Original post by daydreamer4life)
Yes indeed. You do seem a lost cause. Killing for sport is even worse because you're being selfish. You don't hunt for food to survive. You hunt for the thrill of the kill. To receive a "rush". A super-shot of adrenaline. It's bloodlust and dominance. It's arrogance and selfishness. It's hatred and brutality. It's dishonor and viciousness. It's just plain obscene.

I bet you support the badger and fox cull too

Anyway, if you don't want my opinion, Don't get into a discussion with me.