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Jerry must have hired someone new in the front office

But even with the 2009 draft debacle i've NEVER heard anyone say this Cowboy's team lacked talent..

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Roycaice, I actually agree with the point you were making in general, that JJ can't do everything, scout everything, and do all the work of running a franchise. But on the "Cowboys have talent" question: both Heath Evans and Trent Dilfer have made the case, over the years, that the Cowboys lack talent beyond a handful of stars.

In this point of view, Cowboys have a top end. They lack bodies "in the middle", and because of this lack of "near starter to better than average" talent -- call it a lack of depth if you will -- they break down by the end of campaigns and sink in December.

Lack of depth is a common fan complaint. IMO, we have depth issues on both sides of the line, some caused by injury, and others caused by legal entanglements.

It's pretty silly how JJ gets all the blame and none of the credit. Frankly I love JJ as an owner. He hasn't always been perfect. He has meddled when you wish he wouldn't. And he has a penchant for talking to the media to much.

Having said that...he cares about winning, he spends on the franchise and it appears as though he's getting better at letting the football guys do their thing.

You're talking out of both sides of your mouth. You imply that all the bad aspects of this team in the past are his fault because "it's his baby" but say that we have talent now in spite of him. You can't fault him for the bad but deny him for the good. Well you can but you'd be two faced... and nobody wants that. It seems that you may have an agenda... hmmmm. Do you?

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Yes i do.....To see this team win....THAT'S IT!!! Not afraid to call good good, and bad bad. Won't pump it when it needs to be smacked around, and will give props where props are due. That's my agenda........

Roycaice, I actually agree with the point you were making in general, that JJ can't do everything, scout everything, and do all the work of running a franchise. But on the "Cowboys have talent" question: both Heath Evans and Trent Dilfer have made the case, over the years, that the Cowboys lack talent beyond a handful of stars.

In this point of view, Cowboys have a top end. They lack bodies "in the middle", and because of this lack of "near starter to better than average" talent -- call it a lack of depth if you will -- they break down by the end of campaigns and sink in December.

Lack of depth is a common fan complaint. IMO, we have depth issues on both sides of the line, some caused by injury, and others caused by legal entanglements.

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I think they're somewhat right. They lack depth and part of it is because of drafts like 2009.

It would seem to me that if you were 'overruling' an offensive coach like Garrett, he would not want a defensive player in the first place. And that you would go with defensive players instead of offensive players.

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Because Garrett's philosophy, per his own words is to draft the best player available. Maybe Garrett and Tom thought that, like Spencer, he could play in a different scheme, because he was the best play available.

Obviously, people have their opinion on what happened. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong.

However, the end result is that we traded down and took Frederick and got an extra 3rd rounder.

So let's say that Garrett and Ciskowski did want to draft Floyd, were they right?

Are we really upset about the deal? Frederick is an immediate starter, Williams looks like a potential starter.

You could also view it as that if we didn't have that extra 3rd round pick, maybe we don't get Wilcox as well. Maybe we just take Williams instead.

I like Ciskowski, but if I'm Jerry or any GM...I'm taking Kiffin and Marinelli's advice on a D-Lineman over Ciskowski (and Garrett) any day.

Now, if Garrett didn't like the character, work ethic of a draft picks and we still went over his head, then I would have more of an issue. But I don't see that as an issue with Frederick, Escobar, Wilcox, Williams, etc.

As Parcells once famously said, I'm not interested in being fair, I'm interested in being right. So I couldn't care less if the Head Coach is overruled on a personnel decision as long as the decision is the right one. And I think that so far we've made the right decision, in spades.

YR

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Hey, I haven't been able to keep up with this thread, but I wanted to respond to your post. I agree that that the trade could work out well for us and that the early returns (i.e. Frederick, Williams) look fine with the caveat that it's still too early to judge the results of the trade. My post wasn't intended to back up any of the arguments postulated in this thread, but rather it was a comment on what actually transpired on April 25th. Judging from the tenor of your post as well as others you've made in the thread, and the content of most of the posts in the thread, people are more interested in discussing something different than my primary interest. That's fine. But for that reason, and the fact that this thread is basically dead, I'll refrain from posting the material I've gathered from Fisher/Sturm on this topic.