I don't believe making the playoffs can effect their draft position unless they make the Super Bowl.

Logical

12-28-2004, 08:42 PM

I don't believe making the playoffs can effect their draft position unless they make the Super Bowl.

You are correct, record is the only thing that counts towards draft position unless you make the Super Bowl.

Mr. Laz

12-28-2004, 08:52 PM

You are correct, record is the only thing that counts towards draft position unless you make the Super Bowl.

i pretty sure it does make a difference

a several years back Dallas picked ahead of us because we made the playoffs even though they had a better record and you know we didn't make the super bowl. :(

unless they have changed it???? :shrug:

Logical

12-28-2004, 09:00 PM

i pretty sure it does make a difference

a several years back Dallas picked ahead of us because we made the playoffs even though they had a better record and you know we didn't make the super bowl. :(

unless they have changed it???? :shrug:

The team with the lowest winning percentage at the end of the previous season drafts first in the NFL Draft.
• The rest of the teams are placed in order from lowest winning percentage to the highest.
• The Super Bowl winner drafts last, even if they do not have the highest winning percentage.
• The Super Bowl loser drafts next to last.
• Strength of schedule for the previous season is the first tie-breaker for teams with the same winning percentage.
• Divisional and conference records are the next step in the tie-breaking procedure.
• As a last resort, a coin toss is used to determine the order of selection for teams with the same winning percentage.
• If a playoff and non-playoff team end the season with the same winning percentage, the non-playoff team selects before the playoff team. http://football.about.com/library/weekly/bl_draftbasics.htm

Frankie

12-28-2004, 10:36 PM

I swear every time we have the same record with a bunch of other teams we are always the last to pick among them. :banghead:

Isn't "head to head" the first tie breaker? If that's the case, Houston, Carolina and New Orleans have beaten us this season. Wouldn't we then pick ahead of them?

philfree

12-29-2004, 06:11 AM

When one studies the win% of the each team and then the records of the teams with the most wins he finds that the top 6 teams opponents win% is less then .500. DV has said from day one in KC that strength of schedule is one of the major factors in making the playoffs. We had one of the toughest schedules in the league this yeas at .550, top 5.

PhilFree :arrow:

nascher

12-29-2004, 06:20 AM

If a playoff and non-playoff team end the season with the same winning percentage, the non-playoff team selects before the playoff team.

htismaqe

12-29-2004, 10:03 AM

So the tie-breaker that we need to be concerned about is strength of schedule...but is a higher SoS better, or worse?

If the season ended today, we would either pick 13th or 18th, depending on the answer to the above question.

BigChiefFan

12-29-2004, 11:04 AM

Looks like we will pick in the top 15, but damn this is confusing. I sure hope we land some impact players in the draft where ever we end up picking.

Mr. Laz

12-29-2004, 11:05 AM

So the tie-breaker that we need to be concerned about is strength of schedule...but is a higher SoS better, or worse?

If the season ended today, we would either pick 13th or 18th, depending on the answer to the above question.

higher SOS means you pick lower

btw- i check into so more and the playoffs don't overrule the win/loss records.

so we can slide down to around 22nd i believe

BigChiefFan

12-29-2004, 11:08 AM

higher SOS means you pick lower

btw- i check into so more and the playoffs don't overrule the win/loss records.

so we can slide down to around 22nd i believeAn 8-8 team that picks 22nd? :cuss: :cuss: :cuss: No wonder Carl was jumping around after the Titans game? LOL.

Mr. Laz

12-29-2004, 11:12 AM

I don't believe making the playoffs can effect their draft position unless they make the Super Bowl.
You are correct, record is the only thing that counts towards draft position unless you make the Super Bowl.

your both right ... dont know what i was thinking :banghead:

htismaqe

12-29-2004, 11:15 AM

So our only hope is to lose and have everybody else ahead of us win this weekend?

I may be rooting for San Diego this weekend, if the difference between winning and losing is TEN PICKS.

:cuss:

Mr. Laz

12-29-2004, 11:18 AM

Isn't "head to head" the first tie breaker? If that's the case, Houston, Carolina and New Orleans have beaten us this season. Wouldn't we then pick ahead of them?
nope...

as far as i know the ONLY 2 tiebreakers in determining the order of the draft is SOS then a coin flip.

Lzen

12-29-2004, 11:25 AM

http://football.about.com/library/weekly/bl_draftbasics.htm

That link is nice and all. But how do we know if it's legitimate info?

higher SOS means you pick lower...

By lower, do you mean better draft position than teams you're tied with recordwise?

Mr. Laz

12-29-2004, 11:50 AM

By lower, do you mean better draft position than teams you're tied with recordwise?

notice that every team has the same win/loss record at 8-8. But team #1 gets to pick 5th because their SOS is lower at .100.

in otherwords:

Team #1 supposedly played weaker opponents(ie SOS) and still ended up with the same record(8-8) so the NFL considers them the weaker team.

team #3 opponents have a higher win/loss record(ie SOS) and still ended up 8-8 so they must be a little be better to win against harder competition.

Cntrygal

12-29-2004, 01:16 PM

Dallas thought they would be getting a top 10 from us. :D

Rausch

12-29-2004, 01:25 PM

So our only hope is to lose and have everybody else ahead of us win this weekend?

I may be rooting for San Diego this weekend, if the difference between winning and losing is TEN PICKS.

:cuss:

Will the Chargers bench Tomlinson and co. since they've already locked up their division?.... :hmmm:

htismaqe

12-29-2004, 01:28 PM

Will the Chargers bench Tomlinson and co. since they've already locked up their division?.... :hmmm:

Thanks for reminding me that we're ****ing screwed...

:cuss:

bricks

12-29-2004, 02:02 PM

Thanks for reminding me that we're ****ing screwed...

:cuss:

ROFL ROFL this is hilarious. Seriously, its funny how people think they are automatically going to get a better player in the draft cause of higher selection in the draft. Not always the case.

htismaqe

12-29-2004, 02:12 PM

ROFL ROFL this is hilarious. Seriously, its funny how people think they are automatically going to get a better player in the draft cause of higher selection in the draft. Not always the case.

It's not automatic.

But with Carl Peterson in charge, having a higher pick enhances our chance of actually getting a player that can contribute...

Iowanian

12-29-2004, 02:17 PM

The Chiefs need a "96esque" draft.............first 4 picks started D in 1997, and led the team to a very good season.

htismaqe

12-29-2004, 02:19 PM

The Chiefs need a "96esque" draft.............first 4 picks started D in 1997, and led the team to a very good season.

Those guys were all 2nd-year players.

In essence, we need to hope that Key Fox and Junior Siavii (in addition to Allen) become forces next year...

Frankie

12-29-2004, 02:23 PM

I hate to belabor the point. But SHOULDN'T head-to-head results count? It just doesn't make sense to me that 3 teams (Jags, Titans and the winner of the Saints/Panthers game) with potentially equal records with us get to draft ahead of us when they have bettered us on the field.

Frankie

12-29-2004, 02:27 PM

Those guys were all 2nd-year players.

In essence, we need to hope that Key Fox and Junior Siavii (in addition to Allen) become forces next year...

Then let both play substantially this week. I'm all for that.

Mr. Laz

12-29-2004, 02:33 PM

I hate to belabor the point. But SHOULDN'T head-to-head results count?

maybe it should, but it doesn't

bricks

12-29-2004, 03:17 PM

It's not automatic.

But with Carl Peterson in charge, having a higher pick enhances our chance of actually getting a player that can contribute...

Not really. There's a lot of high draft picks that have been busts, or teams that draft high and end up with jack. The Bengals, and the Cardinals are evidence of that. Can't look at it that way. Peterson or no Peterson, it doesn't matter. You can get a good player anywhere. Take '96 as an example, the Chiefs drafted what? In the Mid rounds? To only end up with players like Jerome Woods, Reggie tongue, John Browning, Donnie Edwards, and Joe Horn. It depends all, on who's available, who fits your team, how the scouts evaluate. I think it boils down to luck and timing.

Mr. Laz

12-29-2004, 03:34 PM

I think it boils down to luck and timing.
:rolleyes:

yep, the patriots have won 2 out of the last 3 super bowls because they are lucky

and the chiefs are one of the unluckiest team in recent history

arizona,bungals and the chiefs ...why are we so unlucky :deevee: :deevee:

Ultra Peanut

12-29-2004, 03:34 PM

Actually in a miracle scenario they could tie which if we would lose would have us drafting before both of them.Vlad, bastion of hope!

Ultra Peanut

12-29-2004, 03:35 PM

Those guys were all 2nd-year players.

In essence, we need to hope that Key Fox and Junior Siavii (in addition to Allen) become forces next year...And Jeris McIntyre converts to CB and becomes an All-Pro!

bricks

12-29-2004, 03:37 PM

:rolleyes:

yep, the patriots have won 2 out of the last 3 super bowls because they are lucky

and the chiefs are one of the unluckiest team in recent history

arizona,bungals and the chiefs ...why are we so unlucky :deevee: :deevee:

ROFL My sympathies. God will love us someday :thumb: Our bad luck will run out

Mr. Laz

12-29-2004, 03:48 PM

ROFL My sympathies. God will love us someday :thumb: Our bad luck will run out
GOD hates us :sulk: :sulk:

bricks

12-29-2004, 03:56 PM

GOD hates us :sulk: :sulk:

Maybe he thinks were a**holes? :shrug:

Ultra Peanut

12-29-2004, 04:36 PM

No, but he does think you're one.

bricks

12-29-2004, 04:38 PM

No, but he does think you're one.

Oh yeah. How do you know? Have you had a talk with him recently?

Ultra Peanut

12-29-2004, 04:49 PM

Oh yeah. How do you know? Have you had a talk with him recently?Your momma.

bricks

12-29-2004, 04:51 PM

Your momma.

ROFL ROFL that's right. she also told me that you forgot to take off your crusty diapers.

bricks

12-29-2004, 05:13 PM

You been a Chiefs' fan long?

been a Chiefs fan for 12 years Vlad.

htismaqe

12-29-2004, 05:26 PM

Not really. There's a lot of high draft picks that have been busts, or teams that draft high and end up with jack. The Bengals, and the Cardinals are evidence of that. Can't look at it that way. Peterson or no Peterson, it doesn't matter. You can get a good player anywhere. Take '96 as an example, the Chiefs drafted what? In the Mid rounds? To only end up with players like Jerome Woods, Reggie tongue, John Browning, Donnie Edwards, and Joe Horn. It depends all, on who's available, who fits your team, how the scouts evaluate. I think it boils down to luck and timing.

You're right.

After looking at that list, it's obvious that it doesn't matter where we end up.

Unless we get a top 5 pick, ala Thomas or Smith, Peterson will **** it up.

Logical

12-29-2004, 06:32 PM

Will the Chargers bench Tomlinson and co. since they've already locked up their division?.... :hmmm:

I doubt it Marty is old school like Cowher. Each game is played on its own merits with these type coaches.

bricks

12-29-2004, 08:19 PM

You're right.

After looking at that list, it's obvious that it doesn't matter where we end up.

Unless we get a top 5 pick, ala Thomas or Smith, Peterson will **** it up.

I sure hope we don't get a repeat scenario like we did with ala Ryan Sims.

CanadaKC

12-29-2004, 09:44 PM

Maybe we'll be lucky like the Seahawks, Ravens, and Steelers in recent drafts ...when suprisingly the player they wanted...a la Trufant, Suggs, and Roethlisberger fell into their laps.