Right, but you implied I wasn't one either. Fact is I can derive the orbit using just that data whereas you can't. I don't know if I'll ever discover anything huge, but that's not the point. I am a skilled amateur astronomer nonetheless and I do make the occasional interesting observation.

As astronomers have known for over two hundred years, all that is needed to make an initial orbital determination is three astrometric observations of the object's position, the time of those observations, and the observer's position. Carl Friedrich Gauss developed the initial method allowing for determination with just that amount of information in 1801.

Quoting: Astromut

congratulations dipshit, you calculated the orbit of something that orbits the Earth everyday. In the amount of time it took you to answer me you could have plagerised by looking at sites as this [link to www.n2yo.com] and slightly changing your numbers because you're so damn smart.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1504077

Dude its time for you to shut your face. Just admit that Astro is a skilled astronomer and you have not a single clue on how to do any of this. He is literally schooling the shit out of you. Just walk away, you have seriously lost...

As astronomers have known for over two hundred years, all that is needed to make an initial orbital determination is three astrometric observations of the object's position, the time of those observations, and the observer's position. Carl Friedrich Gauss developed the initial method allowing for determination with just that amount of information in 1801.

Quoting: Astromut

congratulations dipshit, you calculated the orbit of something that orbits the Earth everyday. In the amount of time it took you to answer me you could have plagerised by looking at sites as this [link to www.n2yo.com] and slightly changing your numbers because you're so damn smart.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1504077

Dude its time for you to shut your face. Just admit that Astro is a skilled astronomer and you have not a single clue on how to do any of this. He is literally schooling the shit out of you. Just walk away, you have seriously lost...

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461566

yep and I could log in to my account and get you to believe a bunch of bullshit too. He calculated the orbit of a sattelite, seirously? you know how many sites have real time tracking of sats? I bet you believe you'll get a great ass job from O'bama too huh?

As astronomers have known for over two hundred years, all that is needed to make an initial orbital determination is three astrometric observations of the object's position, the time of those observations, and the observer's position. Carl Friedrich Gauss developed the initial method allowing for determination with just that amount of information in 1801.

Quoting: Astromut

congratulations dipshit, you calculated the orbit of something that orbits the Earth everyday. In the amount of time it took you to answer me you could have plagerised by looking at sites as this [link to www.n2yo.com] and slightly changing your numbers because you're so damn smart.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1504077

Dude its time for you to shut your face. Just admit that Astro is a skilled astronomer and you have not a single clue on how to do any of this. He is literally schooling the shit out of you. Just walk away, you have seriously lost...

As astronomers have known for over two hundred years, all that is needed to make an initial orbital determination is three astrometric observations of the object's position, the time of those observations, and the observer's position. Carl Friedrich Gauss developed the initial method allowing for determination with just that amount of information in 1801.

Quoting: Astromut

congratulations dipshit, you calculated the orbit of something that orbits the Earth everyday. In the amount of time it took you to answer me you could have plagerised by looking at sites as this [link to www.n2yo.com] and slightly changing your numbers because you're so damn smart.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1504077

Dude its time for you to shut your face. Just admit that Astro is a skilled astronomer and you have not a single clue on how to do any of this. He is literally schooling the shit out of you. Just walk away, you have seriously lost...

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461566

yep and I could log in to my account and get you to believe a bunch of bullshit too. He calculated the orbit of a sattelite, seirously? you know how many sites have real time tracking of sats? I bet you believe you'll get a great ass job from O'bama too huh?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1504077

already admitted I didn't know shit too man. Astro knows that I admitted it. I'm just not giving him credit for shit cause he calculated the orbit of a sattelite. How is that skilled?

Your all falling for the deception that NASA KNOWS will keep you looking in the wrong direction.

NASA would NEVER post ANYTHING confirming a for sure impact because they know that WE are lurking daily for DOOM and if in fact they confirm it... the nation will panic into apocalyptic doom and fear. People would stop paying bills, stop paying taxes... and stop dishing money into their military money pits - therefore funding their rat holes and food storage would no longer exist.

NASA still denies what we KNOW they are hiding = Nibiru/Planet X/WoodWorm/ a billion other names but same big ass object/planet/star bla bla bla.

The illuminate use Hollywood to reflect the future. We learned this by going back AFTER 9/11 happened to see all the signs they gave that 9/11 was going to happen.Now we are at a point where we KNOW they throw it in our faces before it happens... unlike 9/11 - we can now pick out that will happen.

As astronomers have known for over two hundred years, all that is needed to make an initial orbital determination is three astrometric observations of the object's position, the time of those observations, and the observer's position. Carl Friedrich Gauss developed the initial method allowing for determination with just that amount of information in 1801.

Quoting: Astromut

congratulations dipshit, you calculated the orbit of something that orbits the Earth everyday. In the amount of time it took you to answer me you could have plagerised by looking at sites as this [link to www.n2yo.com] and slightly changing your numbers because you're so damn smart.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1504077

Dude its time for you to shut your face. Just admit that Astro is a skilled astronomer and you have not a single clue on how to do any of this. He is literally schooling the shit out of you. Just walk away, you have seriously lost...

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461566

yep and I could log in to my account and get you to believe a bunch of bullshit too. He calculated the orbit of a sattelite, seirously? you know how many sites have real time tracking of sats? I bet you believe you'll get a great ass job from O'bama too huh?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1504077

Yes, I calculated the orbit of that satellite. The orbital elements I gave are unique to my observation, though pretty close to the actual numbers. It's a testament to how accurate I was despite only having a single night's observation from a single observer, myself, to go on. Nonetheless, the data is unique to me and is directly derived from the astrometric measurements I gave you. Anyone can confirm it for themselves. That wouldn't be the case had I simply "plagiarized" the site you mentioned. If I plagiarized it, then show that the orbital data I provided does not match the observations I provided, otherwise you're just making false accusations. I guess I should call it "brain envy," but really, it's defamatory in nature.

Please can someone answer why this satellite was only used 5 days before falling back down and appears to be launched by Opto-Matic?

So can I just go out in my backyard and launch something and to hell with what happens to it?

Quoting: Miggy

What the heck are you talking about? If you're talking about the time span of observations, that simply means they've only been observing it for 5 days, it doesn't mean it "fell down." As for "Otto matic," it's their way of saying the orbit was automatically determined from the astrometric data by the computer. Lots of objects on JPL are determined "otto matically." Even Elenin.

All I know is that the darn satellite trackers seemed to take us for a ride when we tracked UARS.

Quoting: Taralily

"Real time" satellite tracking websites are just showing the output of calculating the satellite's current position from its latest 2 line element set "in realtime." In other words, garbage in, garbage out. It's not like they're watching every satellite in the sky simultaneously and showing the positional data. That just doesn't exist. They're just showing you where it should be according to its orbit. Orbital drag is generally not accounted for by these sites, so the resulting solution that you're watching won't be quite right for satellites that are close to re-entering, nor will it show you the moment at which re-entry begins.

Please can someone answer why this satellite was only used 5 days before falling back down and appears to be launched by Opto-Matic?

So can I just go out in my backyard and launch something and to hell with what happens to it?

Quoting: Miggy

What the heck are you talking about? If you're talking about the time span of observations, that simply means they've only been observing it for 5 days, it doesn't mean it "fell down." As for "Otto matic," it's their way of saying the orbit was automatically determined from the astrometric data by the computer. Lots of objects on JPL are determined "otto matically." Even Elenin.

Quoting: Astromut

Astromut really admire your patience, I would've been loosing it by now.

The you tube vid where attention seeking, donate to Paypal please, 'MaryGreeley' talks of comet doom, has the following in the description box...

Please can someone answer why this satellite was only used 5 days before falling back down and appears to be launched by Opto-Matic?

So can I just go out in my backyard and launch something and to hell with what happens to it?

Quoting: Miggy

What the heck are you talking about? If you're talking about the time span of observations, that simply means they've only been observing it for 5 days, it doesn't mean it "fell down." As for "Otto matic," it's their way of saying the orbit was automatically determined from the astrometric data by the computer. Lots of objects on JPL are determined "otto matically." Even Elenin.

Quoting: Astromut

Astromut really admire your patience, I would've been loosing it by now.

The you tube vid where attention seeking, donate to Paypal please 'MaryGreeley' talks of comet doom, has the following in the description box...

'This is just too strange. The producer on the JPL website for both 2011 SE58 and Elenin are both the same. Otto Matic a fake name.'

She deleted my comment asking her to do more research before Scaremongering. Now she's blocked me.

peace out

Quoting: markemai

Yeah man, that's why I generally try to avoid getting into debates in youtube comments. The woo-woos have complete censorship power and they'll use it the instant they feel your debunking threatens their credibility. Some of them clearly know that they're wrong, but that doesn't matter to them.

As astronomers have known for over two hundred years, all that is needed to make an initial orbital determination is three astrometric observations of the object's position, the time of those observations, and the observer's position. Carl Friedrich Gauss developed the initial method allowing for determination with just that amount of information in 1801.

Quoting: Astromut

congratulations dipshit, you calculated the orbit of something that orbits the Earth everyday. In the amount of time it took you to answer me you could have plagerised by looking at sites as this [link to www.n2yo.com] and slightly changing your numbers because you're so damn smart.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1504077

Dude its time for you to shut your face. Just admit that Astro is a skilled astronomer and you have not a single clue on how to do any of this. He is literally schooling the shit out of you. Just walk away, you have seriously lost...

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1461566

Wow, that is some great ass kissing right there.

Are you astromut's number 1 fan or just his boyfriend?

Astromut is an arrogant dick, and anyone who likes arrogant dick is a home

Don't worry, astromut said on another thread he did not mind the insults, and he loves the ass kissing so between the two of us, he will get both what he wants and what he deserves

first off good troll OP, and to the people that believe this asteroid is going to hit us i feel sorry that you are so mentally unstable.

a condition code ranges from 0-9 based on "orbital uncertainty" so if its a 1 they are very certain of its orbit, and in the case of this asteroid its an 8 so they arent sure of its orbit, this has nothing to do with the torino scale... morons

as much as you fear mongering idiots love this doom and gloom shit, you need to start believing nasa instead of redneck kids on youtube and brain dead morons posting this shit on their blogs

this asteroid is going to be 5.6 LD away from us so stfu.

i bet some of you idiots gave money to that guy that said the world was going to end on march 29th or whenever that was

Please can someone answer why this satellite was only used 5 days before falling back down and appears to be launched by Opto-Matic?

So can I just go out in my backyard and launch something and to hell with what happens to it?

Quoting: Miggy

What the heck are you talking about? If you're talking about the time span of observations, that simply means they've only been observing it for 5 days, it doesn't mean it "fell down." As for "Otto matic," it's their way of saying the orbit was automatically determined from the astrometric data by the computer. Lots of objects on JPL are determined "otto matically." Even Elenin.

Quoting: Astromut

Astromut really admire your patience, I would've been loosing it by now.

The you tube vid where attention seeking, donate to Paypal please 'MaryGreeley' talks of comet doom, has the following in the description box...

'This is just too strange. The producer on the JPL website for both 2011 SE58 and Elenin are both the same. Otto Matic a fake name.'

She deleted my comment asking her to do more research before Scaremongering. Now she's blocked me.

peace out

Quoting: markemai

Yeah man, that's why I generally try to avoid getting into debates in youtube comments. The woo-woos have complete censorship power and they'll use it the instant they feel your debunking threatens their credibility. Some of them clearly know that they're wrong, but that doesn't matter to them.

Condition codes, in the orbit determination parameters table refers to MPC "U" parameter: orbit uncertainty estimate 0-9, with 0 being good, and 9 being highly uncertain.In other words it refers to the accuracy of the orbit parameter.Nothing to do with the Torino scale.The Torino scale IS the scale of impact probability NOT the condition code.

first off good troll OP, and to the people that believe this asteroid is going to hit us i feel sorry that you are so mentally unstable.

a condition code ranges from 0-9 based on "orbital uncertainty" so if its a 1 they are very certain of its orbit, and in the case of this asteroid its an 8 so they arent sure of its orbit, this has nothing to do with the torino scale... morons

as much as you fear mongering idiots love this doom and gloom shit, you need to start believing nasa instead of redneck kids on youtube and brain dead morons posting this shit on their blogs

this asteroid is going to be 5.6 LD away from us so stfu.

i bet some of you idiots gave money to that guy that said the world was going to end on march 29th or whenever that was