Canon EOS M50

I am still trying to decide whether this camera offers me much over the M5 - I do miss the fully articulating screen I did a trial run of images converting in Adobe converter to .dng then importing into LR 6 - didn't seem to add too much time to work flow.

Dlee13 wrote in post #18646968No problem glad to help and this issue is what actually pushed me to sign up for CC.

I was a Lightroom-only user (don't need Photoshop), so the 400% price increase for CC was unacceptable to me -- plus, I do not trust Adobe after they broke their promise to continue offering a perpetual license for LR. I tried out DxO's PhotoLab, and found it did everything I used in LR with results at least as good.. Unfortunately, it does not yet support the M50 I just bought, but I expect that to happen in the future. For now, the RAW to DNG convertor and LR6 works fine. I never owned a camera that wasn't supported in the version of Lightroom I owned, so I never had a need to try the RAW to DNG app before now -- it works well, and doesn't add too much to my work flow.

So far I'm pleased with the M50, too, although I have not spent a great deal of time with the camera. It certainly corrects the things that were lacking for me with the original EOS M -- poor auto focus performance, no viewfinder, and cumbersome ergonomics. I tried out the M50 last week at the park with our niece's young children, and was very happy with the results once I figured out the best AF settings.

The M50 should meet all my needs for those times I do not want to pack the full size 5D3 and/or 7D2 plus the big lenses. I may pick up the EF-M 55-200mm lens, too, which should give me a very flexible, compact kit along with the EF-M 15-45mm, EF-M 22mm f/2 and Speedlite 270EX. I also own the EF 40mm f/2.8 pancake, which combined with the EF to EF-M adapter (whenever it finally ships) should give me a decent compact portrait option, too. I also used the original M occasionally as a 2nd body when hiking with one of my full sized cameras, and the M50 should work in that situation very well, too.

roseyposey wrote in post #18647022I am still trying to decide whether this camera offers me much over the M5 - I do miss the fully articulating screen I did a trial run of images converting in Adobe converter to .dng then importing into LR 6 - didn't seem to add too much time to work flow.

I doubt there is even a slight difference in raw files between the two. One major advantage of M50 is the addition of AWB-W which does affect raw and video files.

artsf wrote in post #18647078I doubt there is even a slight difference in raw files between the two. One major advantage of M50 is the addition of AWB-W which does affect raw and video files.

AWB doesn't effect raw files, except for the JPG previews built in to them. I do love the AWB-W though. I first had it on my 80D and found the indoor colours so much nicer than with my (at the time) 5D3.

dave_bass5 wrote in post #18647242AWB doesn't effect raw files, except for the JPG previews built in to them. I do love the AWB-W though. I first had it on my 80D and found the indoor colours so much nicer than with my (at the time) 5D3.

WB info is recorded to raw files. Whether you are using DPP or LR, the deafult setting for WB ‘as shot’, you can change it but chances are you didn’t have the calibrated gray card in any of the shots. Not only indoor and mixed light images are much better with AWB-W, they are also a bit better than when using the gray card itself in my experience. This is because most of the time we are not interested in 100% accurate WB unless we shoot product photography, AWB-W is a perfect balance of accuracy and pleasing tones and it is obviously optimized for skin tones. It substantially speeds up workflow. Most of the time, I could not adjust Canon 6d’s WB in post to perfectly match 5div’s AWB-W. Furthermlre, none of Canon dslrs and mirrorless cameras have the capability of recording video raw files so AWB becomes fundamentally important and cannot be fully adjusted in post even with IQ degradation.

artsf wrote in post #18647495WB info is recorded to raw files. Whether you are using DPP or LR, the deafult setting for WB ‘as shot’, you can change it but chances are you didn’t have the calibrated gray card in any of the shots. Not only indoor and mixed light images are much better with AWB-W, they are also a bit better than when using the gray card itself in my experience. This is because most of the time we are not interested in 100% accurate WB unless we shoot product photography, AWB-W is a perfect balance of accuracy and pleasing tones and it is obviously optimized for skin tones. It substantially speeds up workflow. Most of the time, I could not adjust Canon 6d’s WB in post to perfectly match 5div’s AWB-W. Furthermlre, none of Canon dslrs and mirrorless cameras have the capability of recording video raw files so AWB becomes fundamentally important and cannot be fully adjusted in post even with IQ degradation.

Yeah, the info is recorded in the raw data as a starting point, but that's all. For video its hard coded. if you have a camera that can run Magic Lantern then you can shoot in raw video mode, so the cameras are capable of it, but Canon choose not to let us use it. But thats not for this thread.

AWB-W is mainly used for indoors under tungsten lighting, not much use for outdoor shots unless there are tungsten lights involved. Obviously you can keep it on, but its designed to neutralise the yellow cast that indoor lighting can give. Ive never really use a grey card (although i have owned two), as i prefer the images to look how i want them and not necessarily how i see them, although sometimes thats the same result. This is one reason i like shooting with a LCD screen, as its already showing me how the shot will look before its even left the camera.

I wish that there was a mid range zoom lens with a constant f/2.8 aperture. I know that I can use EF and EFS mount lenses but, a lens like the 17-55mm f/2.8 IS would be rather large to mount on the M-50...

Considering the size of the EF-M 18-55mm with its f/5.6 aperture, I'm not sure they can make a decent sized constant f/2.8 zoom lens with a similar range. At the very least, the focal range would have to be restricted to around a 2x zoom (similar to Sigma's f/1.8 crop lens). Personally, small sized native lenses are all that I want with this platform, as the M50 is a compact supplement to my full sized bodies. That probably means using prime lenses for anything with a fast aperture.

Right now my native lenses are the 22mm f/2 pancake and 15-45mm, and I am using the adapter with my EF 40mm f/2.8 pancake -- which is still quite compact. I am planning on adding the EF-M 55-200mm for some additional reach. I'm up in the air regarding the EF-M 11-22mm, as I don't use my EF 16-35mm f/4 that much on my 5D3 -- so 15mm is probably as wide as I need with the M50 the vast majority of the time.

Scott M wrote in post #18652824Considering the size of the EF-M 18-55mm with its f/5.6 aperture, I'm not sure they can make a decent sized constant f/2.8 zoom lens with a similar range. At the very least, the focal range would have to be restricted to around a 2x zoom (similar to Sigma's f/1.8 crop lens). Personally, small sized native lenses are all that I want with this platform, as the M50 is a compact supplement to my full sized bodies. That probably means using prime lenses for anything with a fast aperture.

Right now my native lenses are the 22mm f/2 pancake and 15-45mm, and I am using the adapter with my EF 40mm f/2.8 pancake -- which is still quite compact. I am planning on adding the EF-M 55-200mm for some additional reach. I'm up in the air regarding the EF-M 11-22mm, as I don't use my EF 16-35mm f/4 that much on my 5D3 -- so 15mm is probably as wide as I need with the M50 the vast majority of the time.

I agree, it seems psychics is getting in our way. Even the 128-150 hits f/6.3 very quickly. It seems a zoom that is small and fast is beyond what the companies can do. F/6.3 seems to be a common number in the Mirrorless world when it comes to zooms, I cant images we will see a f/2.8 zoom any time soon in M mount.

Saying that, if Canon really are going to be releasing a full frame Mirrorless camera they will have to come up with much better lenses for it, and not rely on adapted lenses IMO.

A few recent shots with my M50 and big ‘ol heavy 70-300L

This first one I wouldn’t have got with my 5D4, and it was shot at arms length over my head from ther back of a crowd. Heads are one thing, but iPads and phones above heads make me angry lol. So the flip out screen won the day. It was also very, vey sunny and even if I could have seen the LCD on the 5D4 it would have looked blank.

Bought the 2 lens kit used for $599 from someone who received it as a gift. Bought it for the wife for when she travels. Does a pretty decent job for photos. Linking a few images she took when testing it out last weekend.

dkangel wrote in post #18656269Bought the 2 lens kit used for $599 from someone who received it as a gift. Bought it for the wife for when she travels. Does a pretty decent job for photos. Linking a few images she took when testing it out last weekend.

Yesterday, my M50 completely locked up on me while we were at Greenfield Village. All buttons were unresponsive, the back LCD screen was still actively showing the camera's view, and flipping the ON/OFF switch to OFF had no affect. I had to pull the battery and re-insert it to resolve the issue.

I've had an opportunity to play with the Canon M50 for awhile now, and for the most part I am quite pleased with the camera. I put it to kind of a stress test on Sunday at the zoo, using the camera with my EF 70-200L f/4 IS lens via the EF to EF-M adapter. The combo worked well in most instances, although I did fail to get any shots of the highly activate wolverine in focus -- the tracking just couldn't seem to keep up with him. I can usually nail the shot of the wolverine with my dSLRs, so I may have found the limitations of the M50's auto focus system. It's much better than the original M, but still not as good as my 5D3 and 7D2 dLSRs.

Image quality is excellent, as is to be expected with Canon's latest 24MP APS-C sensor and latest Digic8 processor. The ergonomics are much better than the original M and more "dSLR-like". I am still struggling with moving the auto focus point around on the M50, though -- I am so used to using the joystick on the 5D3 and 7D2 for this. You can use the touch screen to set the AF point, but I'm finding this cumbersome compared with the joystick I'm used to.

The M50 does eat through batteries quickly. I rarely need to swap batteries with the dSLRs during a day trip, but I burned through a battery pretty quickly while at Greenfield Village on the 4th of July while taking under 100 shots and I didn't shoot any video. I think it was mainly from leaving the camera on -- while it's set to go into sleep mode after a minute, it's easy to touch something while walking and bring it out of sleep mode. I tried to remember to actually turn the camera off while walking around at the zoo, and did not need to swap batteries during that outing (although I only took around 50 shots).

I just ordered a used EF-M 55-200mm lens. With this lens, I should have a very versatile, compact kit for those times I do not want to bring along the bigger equipment. I'll have a focal range of 15mm to 200mm (24mm to 320mm equivalent field of view in 35mm terms), a couple of faster prime pancake lenses for lower light requirements (22mm f/2 native lens and 40mm f/2.8 via an adapter), and the compact Canon Speedlite 270EX with the ability to bounce the flash. The M50 does have a built in flash, which I've used a couple of times just as a convenient fill flash -- but that's about all it's good for, like most built-in flashes.

Be aware that the EVF sensor can trigger the IS in lenses, even when the camera is asleep. At least, it does with my 70-300L. I now get in to the habit of turning the camera off when not in use. I do have the sleep function set to 30secs though, just in case i forget to turn it offIve had almost 400 shots from one charge, but thats with quite a few short (3-4) bursts. Typically i can get over 200 shots though.

I do love this little camera.its been about 8 weeks now, and ive been to quite a few events where i would have taken my 5D4 over my 80D, but im more than happy taking the M50. I think its the lens selection that makes me use the M50 so much, but i do find the IQ to be more than good enough for me.....so far.

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