The Jimmy Savile scandal caused public revulsion, but experts disagree about what causes paedophilia - and even how much harm it causes

In 1976 the National Council for Civil Liberties, the respectable (and responsible) pressure group now known as Liberty, made a submission to parliament's criminal law revision committee. It caused barely a ripple. "Childhood sexual experiences, willingly engaged in with an adult," it read, "result in no identifiable damage The real need is a change in the attitude which assumes that all cases of paedophilia result in lasting damage."

It is difficult today, after the public firestorm unleashed by revelations about Jimmy Savile and the host of child abuse allegations they have triggered, to imagine any mainstream group making anything like such a claim. But if it is shocking to realise how dramatically attitudes to paedophilia have changed in just three decades, it is even more surprising to discover how little agreement there is even now among those who are considered experts on the subject.

A liberal professor of psychology who studied in the late 1970s will see things very differently from someone working in child protection, or with convicted sex offenders. There is, astonishingly, not even a full academic consensus on whether consensual paedophilic relations necessarily cause harm.

So what, then, do we know? A paedophile is someone who has a primary or exclusive sexual interest in prepubescent children. Savile appears to have been primarily an ephebophile, defined as someone who has a similar preferential attraction to adolescents, though there have been claims one of his victims was aged eight.

But not all paedophiles are child molesters, and vice versa: by no means every paedophile acts on his impulses, and many people who sexually abuse children are not exclusively or primarily sexually attracted to them.

Here's the deal. Women are women. They look, smell, and have hair like women. Girls are girls. They look, smell, and have no hair like girls. Girls are beautiful for all sorts of reasons, but when they turn into women, the magic begins. A male cannot be a real man until he loves or makes love to a woman, and loves her for the woman, rather than the girl, she is. Hope that clears things up, try the veal, tip your waiter.

I always tell these sick liberals who still pretend to oppose pedophilia that I can get them to fess up to their support for sexual activity involving children. I then ask them if they support laws that dismiss sex between two minors, and ask them if they support handing out condoms and other birth control methods to children.

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posted on 01/07/2013 11:05:15 AM PST
by fwdude
( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)

In all fairness, society has tried to gradate sexuality with minors: adults with young children, extremely bad; adults with older children, or older children with young children, or young children with young children, bad; older children with older children, questionable; and as soon as children turn 16 or 18, they can do what they want, depending on where they live.

While most people are satisfied with these grades of offense, more or less, they obviously have some real problems.

To start with, minor children are to a great extent legal chattels of their parents. The law sees them both as property and as having considerable monetary value to their parents.

So a stranger having sex with children is often considered not just rape, since minors cannot legally agree to have sex; but it is also considered as theft and vandalism. And if pregnancy or disease results there could be significant and extensive costs, both financial and personal.

Add on top of that children maturing at very different rates, and the law can seem bizarre, in that one person may not be physically, emotionally or financially ready to have sex until their 20’s, which others might be in many ways mature at age 16 (at least according to several states.)

To start with, minor children are to a great extent legal chattels of their parents. The law sees them both as property and as having considerable monetary value to their parents.

Your posit fails to account for the current state of humanity, where children do not have parents, are treated as cattle by the state and have no monetary value until they are working age...until then, you can abort them, dispose of them and leave them in childcare as much as you like.

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posted on 01/07/2013 11:13:46 AM PST
by Erik Latranyi
(When religions have to beg the gov't for a waiver, we are already under socialism.)

Step one was to make homosexuality the “norm”. Then they sell it to the kids through TV (e.g. Glee), young adult fiction, and music. Make all types of “sexuality” cool and just a part of your unique behavior like the choice of shoes.

Then when they get them thinking about nothing but sex and how anything and everything is “ok”, then the child molesters move in because now “all love is equal” now.

“I always tell these sick liberals who still pretend to oppose pedophilia that I can get them to fess up to their support for sexual activity involving children.”

The thing is that they cant! If they are all for gay marriage and for normalizing all of the other sexual kinks that are at your usual gay parade then they have no ability to draw a line anywhere on anything. What would be their rationale, that THIS particular thing is immoral? Immoral according to whom? The church that they rejected and attacked because they saw homosexuality as immoral? Without that it’s all just a question of time before those freaks start to assert their “rights” as an “oppressed minority” like the homos did.

LGBT is itself outrageous. Lesbian and gay, ok that’s been around forever. But they had to add bisexual (How is that deserving of political protection?) and especially “transgender”. So the movement includes people with a very clear and serious psychological disorder.

And regarding child abuse, don’t forget you already have parents deciding their little kids are “transgender”.

I came across a show (cant remember the name, and I think on Showtime) where the plot of the episode was partially about how the dad’s “transgender” son (he wore a dress the whole episode) was involved in a playground incident where he was caught trying to kiss another boy. It was later found that this other boy WANTED to kiss the “transgender” kid!

This is the normal end of homosexual “Rights”. Anyone who advocates “homosexual” rights is embracing man/child sex. You destroy the whole premise that there exists “choice” in sexual activity which is ALWAYS a chosen behavior when it goes against nature-—it is worldview of human nature. Is there a God—or are we just base animals who have no moral aspect and no Reason—Homosexual “Rights” destroys all moral religions in the minds of children who are forced to think Sodomy is a “Right” and “Good” will realize that the Bible is cr*p.

Public Schools and MSM is normalizing perversion-—through BF Skinner techniques to flip the natural, normal sexual development of children.

Sex Ed in schools was designed by Lukacs and the Cultural Marxists like Marcuse to destroy Christian Ethics—which will destroy Western Civilization and return it to the pagan/occult/Nazi worldview where human beings are means to an end. (Immoral in USA Law and Judeo-Christian Ethics.

Think about it-—we NEVER had sex ed in schools until 1970 in the USA-—Europe got it earlier to destroy Christian Ethics and worldview . Weimar Republic was the first to destroy the innocence of children—and they had homosexuals found boy scout groups in the late 1800’s.

Sugar John Maynard Keynes-—look him up-—he bragged about his homosexual orgies where he passed around little boys-—even castrated some and laughed. These are the Leftists, Marxists, Freemason, Fabian Socialist, Hollywood Producers, Bolsheviks—mentality-—is has always been about getting the boys. Look at Glee and giggle. Sodomy is so cute and such an elevated activity-—just like it was in Ancient Greece and Afghanistan today—where women are just good for breeding and used to incubate a baby and then sell it to two men to condition and shape into their homosexual worldview-—which HAS to be done-—this conditioning to pervert the mature, normal development of children. Sexual objects can be taught and reinforced-—perversions always—but easy to corrupt vulnerable, trusting children whose reality becomes what they view. They accept it—won’t question what they learn as children—it is embedded. That is why Jerry Brown and the homosexuals are training now in Kindergarten—to shape the reality of YOUR children and grandchildren with the help of all media.

Children exposed to the idea that Sodomy is “good” will have the worldview of Afghanistan boys-—they will not embrace the Christian Worldview which formed Western Civilization which created the Age of Reason and the Enlightenment-—because their ideology is irrational and unnatural-—throws out Common Sense and destroys Truth—Laws of Nature.

It is an “orientation” which is genetic——is garbage-—just like any “behavior” can not be controlled by moral character as even Stoics proved. The founder of the Communist, homosexual movement was sodomized as a boy and loved it and the normalization of perversion which includes sex with boys (endgame)—was founded-—and promoted by the Hollywood pederasts (Corey Feldmen) to make young people believe (emotionally) that sex is “good” outside marriage-—with any Tom, Dick and Harry, if it is consensual. Disregard all Truth, of course, and all the Wisdom from more than 2000 years of history which proves that no restraint in sex, destroys cultures. Particularly vulnerable are children exposed to sexual perversion and Sex Ed as Lukacs and the Marxists knew in the 30’s to destroy Christian Ethics which they did in Europe and is finishing up in America-—to collapse culture—collapse Reason-—so that we are so dumbed down and involved in meaningless acts which destroy all relationships and the intellectual/emotional development of children and corrupts them-—as it is reinforced in most media.

This is the “Ends” of the Leftist/Marxist movement to corrupt and destroy Christian Ethics. It has always been a War between God and Man.

So many of people do not understand that when you put “Gay Pride” in the schools and normalize homosexuality by showing boys “kissing” as “Good”—you are destroying Judeo-Christian morality and inserting the old pagan, Luciferian worldview where homosexual orgies and sodomy with boys was elevated activity-—above heterosexuality—as in Ancient Greek culture, Samurai, Middle Eastern and Asian cultures. This godless activity—was prevalent in ALL cultures-—it was the Jews and then the Christians that removed homosexuality/pederasty and Slavery as “Good”

We are in a Worldview War-—Culture War-—and our children’s minds are being corrupted as I speak even in Kindergarden and every time you even watch Sesame Street with Elmo teaching little boys what is “normal”.

Their almighty criterion is "consent," which is as changeable as a legislature. Otherwise, how can there be different legal ages for "consent" to sexual conduct in different states (Massachusetts sets it at 15!!!!)

Again, ask liberals if they oppose sexual activity among children, considering that they campaign endlessly to provide contraception and abortion (without parental consent) to them. Their eventual answer, if you keep the pressure on them, will be revealing.

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posted on 01/07/2013 12:04:23 PM PST
by fwdude
( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)

You know like it already is in every other place on this planet EXCEPT America.. Few places (except in america) even record child abuse let alone pedophilia.. That is the cases that even GET reported..

Only in America do people really care about pedophilia..
If a country(person) supports ABORTION.. pedophilia is chump change.. nobody dies..

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posted on 01/07/2013 12:06:35 PM PST
by hosepipe
(This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)

One more point to add to what has already been said. There are desires and there are actions. I may desire to eat 20 candy bars in one sitting. However I choose not to do so. It seems pretty obvious to me that the writer of the original article has no concept of what should be a fairly obvious point. One of the functions of being a civilized society is to create a situation where every desire is not acted upon. It seems to me that there are supposedly educated and intelligent people who cannot grasp this fairly fundamental point.

I just don’t see how it could not hurt them? Unless they are lumping all what could be considered sex with children together? There is a vast difference between a child under the age of 13 and a grown man or an 19 yo man and a 16 yo girl....

Actually, just the opposite is true, and even *more* insidious. That is, in one way or another, children are assigned as property to one or more adults. Children without a “legal guardian” are in effect, runaway slaves.

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