Have to wonder if the prospect of playing with his brother will give us a negotiating advantage??

if we are close in price sure it might but if someone is offering $8mil a year and we offer $4.5mil a year that's not going to happen. To get good starter quality talent you need to pay starter prices.

Have to wonder if the prospect of playing with his brother will give us a negotiating advantage??

if we are close in price sure it might but if someone is offering $8mil a year and we offer $4.5mil a year that's not going to happen. To get good starter quality talent you need to pay starter prices.

8 million a year isn't a typical starters price. It is Corner stone, building block price. Wilfork made 8 million a year. If Arthur Jones gets 8 million a year from any team you should be happy it isn't us.

Have to wonder if the prospect of playing with his brother will give us a negotiating advantage??

if we are close in price sure it might but if someone is offering $8mil a year and we offer $4.5mil a year that's not going to happen. To get good starter quality talent you need to pay starter prices.

8 million a year isn't a typical starters price. It is Corner stone, building block price. Wilfork made 8 million a year. If Arthur Jones gets 8 million a year from any team you should be happy it isn't us.

Then again, you may never be happy.

The top 32 DL in the league made between $5mil-$16mil. To good a top end starter that's what it costs. But, if you want more Kelly's Fanene's, and Soap you could pay $3-4mil per year then you'd be really happy. Sure they wouldn't do anything for the team but you'd be happy with such a great deal right?

Have to wonder if the prospect of playing with his brother will give us a negotiating advantage??

if we are close in price sure it might but if someone is offering $8mil a year and we offer $4.5mil a year that's not going to happen. To get good starter quality talent you need to pay starter prices.

8 million a year isn't a typical starters price. It is Corner stone, building block price. Wilfork made 8 million a year. If Arthur Jones gets 8 million a year from any team you should be happy it isn't us.

Then again, you may never be happy.

The top 32 DL in the league made between $5mil-$16mil. To good a top end starter that's what it costs. But, if you want more Kelly's Fanene's, and Soap you could pay $3-4mil per year then you'd be really happy. Sure they wouldn't do anything for the team but you'd be happy with such a great deal right?

So did Wilfork just make 8 million a year or not? Was he the highest paid d linemen in the league at the time of contract or not? Should BB pay Arthur Jones 8 million a year or not? You can't live on the fence and bash the personnel decisions the way you do. There are no mid level FA receivers who get you 80 receptions, 1,200 yards, 10 tds every year they play and never get shut down no matter what corner is covering them. Those are called elite receivers.. BB hasn't failed to get DT's he just already paid one 8 million a year and he was the best in the league. He couldn't just go out and sign more 8 million dollar a year dt's because this isn't Madden. It's real life and he has to build a team.

So did Wilfork just make 8 million a year or not? Was he the highest paid d linemen in the league at the time of contract or not? Should BB pay Arthur Jones 8 million a year or not? You can't live on the fence and bash the personnel decisions the way you do. There are no mid level FA receivers who get you 80 receptions, 1,200 yards, 10 tds every year they play and never get shut down no matter what corner is covering them. Those are called elite receivers.. BB hasn't failed to get DT's he just already paid one 8 million a year and he was the best in the league. He couldn't just go out and sign more 8 million dollar a year dt's because this isn't Madden. It's real life and he has to build a team.

He gave WIlfork $8mil how long ago? The market has increased $8mil isn't even close to the top of the FA chart anymore. You are talking closer to $12-14mil (See Peppers and Williams)

Yes BB should give A. Jones $5-8mil a year if that's what it takes to get him. I've never been on the fence about that since day 1.

You are right it's not madden as 31 other teams seem to be able to afford these types of players. Maybe you need to stop playing madden if you think Siliga is as good as Bryant. You can't just make them better, they either have the talent or they don't.

Btw, he hasn't failed? What do you call Haynesworth, Ellis, Kelly, and Fanene? Successes?

So did Wilfork just make 8 million a year or not? Was he the highest paid d linemen in the league at the time of contract or not? Should BB pay Arthur Jones 8 million a year or not? You can't live on the fence and bash the personnel decisions the way you do. There are no mid level FA receivers who get you 80 receptions, 1,200 yards, 10 tds every year they play and never get shut down no matter what corner is covering them. Those are called elite receivers.. BB hasn't failed to get DT's he just already paid one 8 million a year and he was the best in the league. He couldn't just go out and sign more 8 million dollar a year dt's because this isn't Madden. It's real life and he has to build a team.

Yes BB should give A. Jones $5-8mil a year if that's what it takes to get him. I've never been on the fence about that since day 1.

You are right it's not madden as 31 other teams seem to be able to afford these types of players. Maybe you need to stop playing madden if you think Siliga is as good as Bryant.

Btw, he hasn't failed? What do you call Haynesworth, Ellis, and Fanene? Successes?

They are chances every team takes. The team wasn't dependant on those players for survival. They were role playing veterans, the same kind of guys like Bryon Cox, Bobby Hamilton, Anthony Pleasant, Gerrard Warren etc... some work some don't.

Calling BB a failure because not all of the players he signed worked out is silly.

Have to wonder if the prospect of playing with his brother will give us a negotiating advantage??

if we are close in price sure it might but if someone is offering $8mil a year and we offer $4.5mil a year that's not going to happen. To get good starter quality talent you need to pay starter prices.

8 million a year isn't a typical starters price. It is Corner stone, building block price. Wilfork made 8 million a year. If Arthur Jones gets 8 million a year from any team you should be happy it isn't us.

Then again, you may never be happy.

The top 32 DL in the league made between $5mil-$16mil. To good a top end starter that's what it costs. But, if you want more Kelly's Fanene's, and Soap you could pay $3-4mil per year then you'd be really happy. Sure they wouldn't do anything for the team but you'd be happy with such a great deal right?

Equating Kelly with Fanene and Soap is just stupid. Just more proof it doesn't matter what the Pats do, you won't be happy.

So did Wilfork just make 8 million a year or not? Was he the highest paid d linemen in the league at the time of contract or not? Should BB pay Arthur Jones 8 million a year or not? You can't live on the fence and bash the personnel decisions the way you do. There are no mid level FA receivers who get you 80 receptions, 1,200 yards, 10 tds every year they play and never get shut down no matter what corner is covering them. Those are called elite receivers.. BB hasn't failed to get DT's he just already paid one 8 million a year and he was the best in the league. He couldn't just go out and sign more 8 million dollar a year dt's because this isn't Madden. It's real life and he has to build a team.

He gave WIlfork $8mil how long ago? The market has increased $8mil isn't even close to the top of the FA chart anymore. You are talking closer to $12-14mil (See Peppers and Williams)

Yes BB should give A. Jones $5-8mil a year if that's what it takes to get him. I've never been on the fence about that since day 1.

You are right it's not madden as 31 other teams seem to be able to afford these types of players. Maybe you need to stop playing madden if you think Siliga is as good as Bryant. You can't just make them better, they either have the talent or they don't.

Btw, he hasn't failed? What do you call Haynesworth, Ellis, Kelly, and Fanene? Successes?

Kelly was a success till he got injured for the first time in decades.

The reason Kelly was included was that he didn't last more than a couple games, not that he wasn't productive in those couple of games. Kelly's injury didn't come from being hit on a play or having bodies piled up on him. It came from non contact which means it's mostly due to age and at 33yr olds you do run a much higher risk of a players body falling apart at that age. That's why we got him so cheap to begin with, because of his age and the increased risk his body wouldn't hold up due to that. It's just one more example of a player they got for low cost because of a reason who in the end didn't work out. Doesn't matter why they didn't work out the end problem is the same, finding a replacement for something that should have been solved a long time ago.

True - there you go putting words in my mouth. You do that everytime I made a good point and you don't know how to counter. But please point out to me where I have called BB a failure. I have said he has failed in finding certain positions, something you can't deny, and failed putting too much faith in low cost players who don't end up working out because of various reasons known before siging (age, injury prone, locker room issues). I have said time and time again that he doesn't need to drastically change the system just tweak it and yet you instantly take that as saying he's a failure everytime I say that. Why so black and white in your world True? Why is it you either think everything is perfect or you must feel BB is a failure?

If you want proof about when I was happy with a PAts move go back to the 12' draft forums, I loved them moving up for Hightower and Jones. If you are looking for FA you have to go a bit further back but then again when was the last time we signed a FA player and they worked out well and lasted longer than a year? As for FA signings there hasn't been much to get excited about. Unlike some here I don't get giddy over the A. Wilsons and Armsteads of the world because I do have a decent eye for players and can see the issues surrounding them as I'm sure BB does too but as I said in BB eye the deal trumps the player and I'd rather have a good player than a good deal.

Ok Rtuinila and True I have a challenge for you. If BB has been successful in finding interior DL then list all the one he's found over the last 5 years (5 years because that's really when the rebuild started and really when BB started go hard into looking for interior DL every year). Here's the criteria I'll make it very easy, they needed to start more than 8 games for the Pats and be a player you consider at least an average starter around the league or better. That should be easy to come up with as BB has been looking for an interior DL to put next to Wilfork for a while now and his system at finding those players is successful according you guys, there must be lots of examples of players he's found that fit those very loose criteria.