Woman Charged Over New York Firefighter Ambush Gun

Woman Charged Over New York Firefighter Ambush Gunfirefighter-ambush-gun/comments?type=story&id=18084774

Dec. 28, 2012

Authorities have charged a woman for allegedly providing a convicted killer with the Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle he used when he ambushed four volunteer firefighters and an off-duty cop at a fire scene in upstate New York on Christmas Eve, federal prosecutors said.

Woman Charged Over New York Firefighter Ambush Gunfirefighter-ambush-gun/comments?type=story&id=18084774

Dec. 28, 2012

Authorities have charged a woman for allegedly providing a convicted killer with the Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle he used when he ambushed four volunteer firefighters and an off-duty cop at a fire scene in upstate New York on Christmas Eve, federal prosecutors said.

Quoting: Indysmindy

Why the hell did a convicted killer have an AR-15 in the first place???

Woman Charged Over New York Firefighter Ambush Gunfirefighter-ambush-gun/comments?type=story&id=18084774

Dec. 28, 2012

Authorities have charged a woman for allegedly providing a convicted killer with the Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle he used when he ambushed four volunteer firefighters and an off-duty cop at a fire scene in upstate New York on Christmas Eve, federal prosecutors said.

Quoting: Indysmindy

That would be like charging a women for provoking a rapist because she was wearing slutty clothes...

Woman Charged Over New York Firefighter Ambush Gunfirefighter-ambush-gun/comments?type=story&id=18084774

Dec. 28, 2012

Authorities have charged a woman for allegedly providing a convicted killer with the Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle he used when he ambushed four volunteer firefighters and an off-duty cop at a fire scene in upstate New York on Christmas Eve, federal prosecutors said.

Quoting: Indysmindy

Why the hell did a convicted killer have an AR-15 in the first place???

Maybe the US really should re-consider its gun laws..

Quoting: Canadian_Bacon

This is too weird!! He just got out of prison, why would she give him weapons?

Woman Charged Over New York Firefighter Ambush Gunfirefighter-ambush-gun/comments?type=story&id=18084774

Dec. 28, 2012

Authorities have charged a woman for allegedly providing a convicted killer with the Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle he used when he ambushed four volunteer firefighters and an off-duty cop at a fire scene in upstate New York on Christmas Eve, federal prosecutors said.

Quoting: Indysmindy

Why the hell did a convicted killer have an AR-15 in the first place???

Maybe the US really should re-consider its gun laws..

Quoting: Canadian_Bacon

Because the woman illegally gave it to him. It was against the law for her to give him the rifle, it was against the law for the felon to posses it, it was against the law for the felon to use it in the commission of a felony, it was against the law to murder the fireman, it was against the law to shoot at the police and it was against the law to set fire to the house to draw the fireman to the scene.

Woman Charged Over New York Firefighter Ambush Gunfirefighter-ambush-gun/comments?type=story&id=18084774

Dec. 28, 2012

Authorities have charged a woman for allegedly providing a convicted killer with the Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle he used when he ambushed four volunteer firefighters and an off-duty cop at a fire scene in upstate New York on Christmas Eve, federal prosecutors said.

Quoting: Indysmindy

Why the hell did a convicted killer have an AR-15 in the first place???

Maybe the US really should re-consider its gun laws..

Quoting: Canadian_Bacon

Because the woman illegally gave it to him. It was against the law for her to give him the rifle, it was against the law for the felon to posses it, it was against the law for the felon to use it in the commission of a felony, it was against the law to murder the fireman, it was against the law to shoot at the police and it was against the law to set fire to the house to draw the fireman to the scene.

What law shall we pass to prevent this?

Quoting: Copperhead

thats the best yet for removing assualt rifles from the general population.

Woman Charged Over New York Firefighter Ambush Gunfirefighter-ambush-gun/comments?type=story&id=18084774

Dec. 28, 2012

Authorities have charged a woman for allegedly providing a convicted killer with the Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle he used when he ambushed four volunteer firefighters and an off-duty cop at a fire scene in upstate New York on Christmas Eve, federal prosecutors said.

Quoting: Indysmindy

Why the hell did a convicted killer have an AR-15 in the first place???

Maybe the US really should re-consider its gun laws..

Quoting: Canadian_Bacon

Because the woman illegally gave it to him. It was against the law for her to give him the rifle, it was against the law for the felon to posses it, it was against the law for the felon to use it in the commission of a felony, it was against the law to murder the fireman, it was against the law to shoot at the police and it was against the law to set fire to the house to draw the fireman to the scene.

Woman Charged Over New York Firefighter Ambush Gunfirefighter-ambush-gun/comments?type=story&id=18084774

Dec. 28, 2012

Authorities have charged a woman for allegedly providing a convicted killer with the Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle he used when he ambushed four volunteer firefighters and an off-duty cop at a fire scene in upstate New York on Christmas Eve, federal prosecutors said.

Quoting: Indysmindy

Why the hell did a convicted killer have an AR-15 in the first place???

Maybe the US really should re-consider its gun laws..

Quoting: Canadian_Bacon

Because the woman illegally gave it to him. It was against the law for her to give him the rifle, it was against the law for the felon to posses it, it was against the law for the felon to use it in the commission of a felony, it was against the law to murder the fireman, it was against the law to shoot at the police and it was against the law to set fire to the house to draw the fireman to the scene.

What law shall we pass to prevent this?

Quoting: Copperhead

thats the best yet for removing assualt rifles from the general population.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31038269

I'd rather remove the mental defectives from the general population. Spengler should have been put to death for the murder of his Grandmother back in 1980 (with a claw hammer by the way) or kept in prison for life. If he was kept off the streets this would have never happened.

Why the hell did a convicted killer have an AR-15 in the first place???

Maybe the US really should re-consider its gun laws..

Quoting: Canadian_Bacon

Because the woman illegally gave it to him. It was against the law for her to give him the rifle, it was against the law for the felon to posses it, it was against the law for the felon to use it in the commission of a felony, it was against the law to murder the fireman, it was against the law to shoot at the police and it was against the law to set fire to the house to draw the fireman to the scene.

What law shall we pass to prevent this?

Quoting: Copperhead

thats the best yet for removing assualt rifles from the general population.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 31038269

I'd rather remove the mental defectives from the general population. Spengler should have been put to death for the murder of his Grandmother back in 1980 (with a claw hammer by the way) or kept in prison for life. If he was kept off the streets this would have never happened.

Quoting: Copperhead

You're right. Why didn't he get death penalty? NY doesn't have death penalty? Plus, if the lady was a neighbor, wouldn't you think she would be trying to protect herself since he was her neighbor (aware he was getting out)? I think he might of snuck in or something and stole the weapons.

Woman Charged Over New York Firefighter Ambush Gunfirefighter-ambush-gun/comments?type=story&id=18084774

Dec. 28, 2012

Authorities have charged a woman for allegedly providing a convicted killer with the Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle he used when he ambushed four volunteer firefighters and an off-duty cop at a fire scene in upstate New York on Christmas Eve, federal prosecutors said.

Quoting: Indysmindy

Why the hell did a convicted killer have an AR-15 in the first place???

Maybe the US really should re-consider its gun laws..

Quoting: Canadian_Bacon

Because the woman illegally gave it to him. It was against the law for her to give him the rifle, it was against the law for the felon to posses it, it was against the law for the felon to use it in the commission of a felony, it was against the law to murder the fireman, it was against the law to shoot at the police and it was against the law to set fire to the house to draw the fireman to the scene.

What law shall we pass to prevent this?

Quoting: Copperhead

The problem is that your gun laws are too loose...No need to pass a new law..Just re-vamp the current ones..

I'm totally aware that all the actions that lead up to the event are against the law.. I don't believe she just "gave" him the gun...

Woman Charged Over New York Firefighter Ambush Gunfirefighter-ambush-gun/comments?type=story&id=18084774

Dec. 28, 2012

Authorities have charged a woman for allegedly providing a convicted killer with the Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle he used when he ambushed four volunteer firefighters and an off-duty cop at a fire scene in upstate New York on Christmas Eve, federal prosecutors said.

Quoting: Indysmindy

Why the hell did a convicted killer have an AR-15 in the first place???

Maybe the US really should re-consider its gun laws..

Quoting: Canadian_Bacon

Are you really that fucking dumb. Criminals don't obey the law. So if they ban guns all the people that shouldn't have them will turn them in? How's that work in Canada? Did all the criminals turn in banned weapons? If you say yes your not only fucking retarded your a lying piece of shit. When it comes to our constitutional right keep your two sense to yourself.

Woman Charged Over New York Firefighter Ambush Gunfirefighter-ambush-gun/comments?type=story&id=18084774

Dec. 28, 2012

Authorities have charged a woman for allegedly providing a convicted killer with the Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle he used when he ambushed four volunteer firefighters and an off-duty cop at a fire scene in upstate New York on Christmas Eve, federal prosecutors said.

Quoting: Indysmindy

Why the hell did a convicted killer have an AR-15 in the first place???

Maybe the US really should re-consider its gun laws..

Quoting: Canadian_Bacon

Are you really that fucking dumb. Criminals don't obey the law. So if they ban guns all the people that shouldn't have them will turn them in? How's that work in Canada? Did all the criminals turn in banned weapons? If you say yes your not only fucking retarded your a lying piece of shit. When it comes to our constitutional right keep your two sense to yourself.

Quoting: Oscanator 24421278

Wow such hostility...Let me guess you own an assault rifle and think your tough??

Woman Charged Over New York Firefighter Ambush Gunfirefighter-ambush-gun/comments?type=story&id=18084774

Dec. 28, 2012

Authorities have charged a woman for allegedly providing a convicted killer with the Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle he used when he ambushed four volunteer firefighters and an off-duty cop at a fire scene in upstate New York on Christmas Eve, federal prosecutors said.

Quoting: Indysmindy

Why the hell did a convicted killer have an AR-15 in the first place???

Maybe the US really should re-consider its gun laws..

Quoting: Canadian_Bacon

Because the woman illegally gave it to him. It was against the law for her to give him the rifle, it was against the law for the felon to posses it, it was against the law for the felon to use it in the commission of a felony, it was against the law to murder the fireman, it was against the law to shoot at the police and it was against the law to set fire to the house to draw the fireman to the scene.

What law shall we pass to prevent this?

Quoting: Copperhead

The problem is that your gun laws are too loose...No need to pass a new law..Just re-vamp the current ones..

I'm totally aware that all the actions that lead up to the event are against the law.. I don't believe she just "gave" him the gun...

Where her guns locked up???

Was the ammo stored in a different spot?? also locked up??

What did she need the AR-15 for???

Is she military or combat trained?? You don't hunt with an AR...

See where im going here......

Quoting: Canadian_Bacon

I hunt with my ar. I hunt ground hog, coyotes, and wolves. And I know a few that also hunt whitetails with them. And our second amendment has nothing to do with hunting.

Woman Charged Over New York Firefighter Ambush Gunfirefighter-ambush-gun/comments?type=story&id=18084774

Dec. 28, 2012

Authorities have charged a woman for allegedly providing a convicted killer with the Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle he used when he ambushed four volunteer firefighters and an off-duty cop at a fire scene in upstate New York on Christmas Eve, federal prosecutors said.

Quoting: Indysmindy

Why the hell did a convicted killer have an AR-15 in the first place???

Maybe the US really should re-consider its gun laws..

Quoting: Canadian_Bacon

It's already illegal for him to have it, and for her to provide it to her.

Passing more laws won't make it any more illegal.

Enforce the laws we have. Don't use made-up excuses to add bad laws on top of them.

Woman Charged Over New York Firefighter Ambush Gunfirefighter-ambush-gun/comments?type=story&id=18084774

Dec. 28, 2012

Authorities have charged a woman for allegedly providing a convicted killer with the Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle he used when he ambushed four volunteer firefighters and an off-duty cop at a fire scene in upstate New York on Christmas Eve, federal prosecutors said.

Quoting: Indysmindy

Why the hell did a convicted killer have an AR-15 in the first place???

Maybe the US really should re-consider its gun laws..

Quoting: Canadian_Bacon

It's already illegal for him to have it, and for her to provide it to her.

Passing more laws won't make it any more illegal.

Enforce the laws we have. Don't use made-up excuses to add bad laws on top of them.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30670070

Can you americans fuckin read????Where in my post did i ever say Pass more laws or ban guns??

I guess this just goes to show that your tax payer money does not go for education...

Woman Charged Over New York Firefighter Ambush Gunfirefighter-ambush-gun/comments?type=story&id=18084774

Dec. 28, 2012

Authorities have charged a woman for allegedly providing a convicted killer with the Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle he used when he ambushed four volunteer firefighters and an off-duty cop at a fire scene in upstate New York on Christmas Eve, federal prosecutors said.

Quoting: Indysmindy

Why the hell did a convicted killer have an AR-15 in the first place???

Maybe the US really should re-consider its gun laws..

Quoting: Canadian_Bacon

Are you really that fucking dumb. Criminals don't obey the law. So if they ban guns all the people that shouldn't have them will turn them in? How's that work in Canada? Did all the criminals turn in banned weapons? If you say yes your not only fucking retarded your a lying piece of shit. When it comes to our constitutional right keep your two sense to yourself.

Quoting: Oscanator 24421278

Wow such hostility...

Let me guess you own an assault rifle and think your tough??

And apparently you can read either... I never said ban guns..

Quoting: Canadian_Bacon

No I do t think I'm tough I know I am and don't need any weapon to make me that way. And that's where it starts with more restrictions, then registration and then confiscation. We don't need anymore laws, just enforce the ones we have. Under Obama illegal gun crime conviction is way down. For Christ sake under his watch his administration sent illegal weapons to the Mexican drug cartels. And they want tougher laws on the law abiding citizens, that's what pisses me off the most, fucking hypocrites!.

Why the hell did a convicted killer have an AR-15 in the first place???

Maybe the US really should re-consider its gun laws..

Quoting: Canadian_Bacon

Because the woman illegally gave it to him. It was against the law for her to give him the rifle, it was against the law for the felon to posses it, it was against the law for the felon to use it in the commission of a felony, it was against the law to murder the fireman, it was against the law to shoot at the police and it was against the law to set fire to the house to draw the fireman to the scene.

What law shall we pass to prevent this?

Quoting: Copperhead

The problem is that your gun laws are too loose...No need to pass a new law..Just re-vamp the current ones..

I'm totally aware that all the actions that lead up to the event are against the law.. I don't believe she just "gave" him the gun...

Where her guns locked up???

Was the ammo stored in a different spot?? also locked up??

What did she need the AR-15 for???

Is she military or combat trained?? You don't hunt with an AR...

See where im going here......

Quoting: Canadian_Bacon

I hunt with my ar. I hunt ground hog, coyotes, and wolves. And I know a few that also hunt whitetails with them. And our second amendment has nothing to do with hunting.

Quoting: Oscanator 24421278

And how do the kill look after being taken with a .223 round?? Pretty fucked up i bet... So i assume you hunt just for fun?? do you eat the kill??

Woman Charged Over New York Firefighter Ambush Gunfirefighter-ambush-gun/comments?type=story&id=18084774

Dec. 28, 2012

Authorities have charged a woman for allegedly providing a convicted killer with the Bushmaster AR-15 assault rifle he used when he ambushed four volunteer firefighters and an off-duty cop at a fire scene in upstate New York on Christmas Eve, federal prosecutors said.

Quoting: Indysmindy

Why the hell did a convicted killer have an AR-15 in the first place???

Maybe the US really should re-consider its gun laws..

Quoting: Canadian_Bacon

It's already illegal for him to have it, and for her to provide it to her.

Passing more laws won't make it any more illegal.

Enforce the laws we have. Don't use made-up excuses to add bad laws on top of them.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30670070

Can you americans fuckin read????Where in my post did i ever say Pass more laws or ban guns??

I guess this just goes to show that your tax payer money does not go for education...

Why the hell did a convicted killer have an AR-15 in the first place???

Maybe the US really should re-consider its gun laws..

Quoting: Canadian_Bacon

It's already illegal for him to have it, and for her to provide it to her.

Passing more laws won't make it any more illegal.

Enforce the laws we have. Don't use made-up excuses to add bad laws on top of them.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30670070

Can you americans fuckin read????Where in my post did i ever say Pass more laws or ban guns??

I guess this just goes to show that your tax payer money does not go for education...

A fine breed of superior idiots...

Quoting: Canadian_Bacon

So what do you mean by "rethinking our gun laws"

Quoting: Oscanator 24421278

Well to start, NO FULL AUTOS!!To own the same weapon here in canada it falls under "restricted" meaning the laws are different than the laws for you average rifle..

To possess a restricted weapon you must be a member of a shooting club or range and make regular visits.. Otherwise they can revoke your license..Your current spouse or ex of the previous 2 years must also sign the application..You must obtain a authorization to transport anytime you want to take the weapon out of your home..Magazines are limited to a max of 10 rounds..

Maybe the US should look at other countries guns laws as an example..

I'm not saying ban guns as i believe you have the right to own one as long as your responsible and nut a fucking nut job..

Clearly the owner of this weapon was not a responsible gun owner and therefor she should of never had the weapon to begin with...

Because the woman illegally gave it to him. It was against the law for her to give him the rifle, it was against the law for the felon to posses it, it was against the law for the felon to use it in the commission of a felony, it was against the law to murder the fireman, it was against the law to shoot at the police and it was against the law to set fire to the house to draw the fireman to the scene.

What law shall we pass to prevent this?

Quoting: Copperhead

The problem is that your gun laws are too loose...No need to pass a new law..Just re-vamp the current ones..

I'm totally aware that all the actions that lead up to the event are against the law.. I don't believe she just "gave" him the gun...

Where her guns locked up???

Was the ammo stored in a different spot?? also locked up??

What did she need the AR-15 for???

Is she military or combat trained?? You don't hunt with an AR...

See where im going here......

Quoting: Canadian_Bacon

I hunt with my ar. I hunt ground hog, coyotes, and wolves. And I know a few that also hunt whitetails with them. And our second amendment has nothing to do with hunting.

Quoting: Oscanator 24421278

And how do the kill look after being taken with a .223 round?? Pretty fucked up i bet... So i assume you hunt just for fun?? do you eat the kill??

Quoting: Canadian_Bacon

Oh my god, You know nothing about firearms do you. 223 is a very popular varmint round. They don't allow pest control in Canada? Here farmers will pay a bounty on ground hogs and coyotes. And you asked what the kill looks like, well using ballistic tips there isn't much left of a ground hog, and a coyote or wolf you aim for the head or neck. And no I don't eat ground hog, coyotes or wolves. We have seasons on them to keep there numbers in check. I personally don't use 223 for deer hunting I was just telling you I know of people that do and they are very successful.

Because the woman illegally gave it to him. It was against the law for her to give him the rifle, it was against the law for the felon to posses it, it was against the law for the felon to use it in the commission of a felony, it was against the law to murder the fireman, it was against the law to shoot at the police and it was against the law to set fire to the house to draw the fireman to the scene.

What law shall we pass to prevent this?

Quoting: Copperhead

The problem is that your gun laws are too loose...No need to pass a new law..Just re-vamp the current ones..

I'm totally aware that all the actions that lead up to the event are against the law.. I don't believe she just "gave" him the gun...

Where her guns locked up???

Was the ammo stored in a different spot?? also locked up??

What did she need the AR-15 for???

Is she military or combat trained?? You don't hunt with an AR...

See where im going here......

Quoting: Canadian_Bacon

I hunt with my ar. I hunt ground hog, coyotes, and wolves. And I know a few that also hunt whitetails with them. And our second amendment has nothing to do with hunting.

Quoting: Oscanator 24421278

And how do the kill look after being taken with a .223 round?? Pretty fucked up i bet... So i assume you hunt just for fun?? do you eat the kill??

It's already illegal for him to have it, and for her to provide it to her.

Passing more laws won't make it any more illegal.

Enforce the laws we have. Don't use made-up excuses to add bad laws on top of them.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30670070

Can you americans fuckin read????Where in my post did i ever say Pass more laws or ban guns??

I guess this just goes to show that your tax payer money does not go for education...

A fine breed of superior idiots...

Quoting: Canadian_Bacon

So what do you mean by "rethinking our gun laws"

Quoting: Oscanator 24421278

Well to start, NO FULL AUTOS!!To own the same weapon here in canada it falls under "restricted" meaning the laws are different than the laws for you average rifle..

To possess a restricted weapon you must be a member of a shooting club or range and make regular visits.. Otherwise they can revoke your license..Your current spouse or ex of the previous 2 years must also sign the application..You must obtain a authorization to transport anytime you want to take the weapon out of your home..Magazines are limited to a max of 10 rounds..

Maybe the US should look at other countries guns laws as an example..

I'm not saying ban guns as i believe you have the right to own one as long as your responsible and nut a fucking nut job..

Clearly the owner of this weapon was not a responsible gun owner and therefor she should of never had the weapon to begin with...

Quoting: Canadian_Bacon

Check, full autos banned in 1934 and needed a $200 transfer tax. Fully banned from transfer in 1988.