In the past I have felt and stated that Venan listen to its players and when there have been problems they've been fixed pretty quick. It feels like that's stopped yes they reduced the wave increases then they removed the caps and increased the waves again. I understand that Venan needs to make money.

When 1.5 came out everyone was burning in the portals and the new raids to get new gear and enchants. I'm not party to your numbers but I know those from my guild and people aren't burning because they don't need any gear or enchants they would only burn to save the raid. Nobody wants to do that. The CV raids can't be completed reasonably without massive burn, and people are dissatisfied with solve and bronze.

If you want a big community with many players who buy gs occasionally and some who buy regularly then players need to be motivated through achievable goals (gold raids) and a long term goal (new gear/enchant). Otherwise the player base will diminish in size and the competitive nature of the community will diminish and so will you profits.

Please get the raids at a more sustainable level and get some new valour gear and raids out there.

Fizz_Eric wrote:I'm a little confused. It feels like basically you guys decided to carry through with whatever you wanted in the first place while going about it in a roundabout way to trick us into it.

This seems to be it exactly! And of course the defensive answer is "It's their game, they can do what they want with it," but then again, doesn't it matter if we -- the players and payers -- LIKE the changes?

Do you have metrics to support the need for harder waves? Makes no sense to me why you would go back to 1.6 numbers when everyone was so upset and you needed to fix immediately!

Do you really want upset gamers?

Ps, I think you think this game will be balanced after all guild members reach Lvl 5 guild loyalty. But I am going to have to politely disagree. While you might get better raid metrics this way, I assure you, many, including me, will most likely be upset with you.

Thank god I am going on vacation for 10 days and will hopefully be back when this chaos is resolved

Oh I made a beautiful rant on this same topic in "Did Venan get it right this time" page 4. Too long to retype it here. Too sum it up.....1…quit whining Venan is trying to appease such a large variety of players that they are bound to make errors. 2…Gold was too easy to start with, it is supposed to be achieved by busting your arse. 3…Yes raids are longer but if committing for 3-4 hrs is your problem then you must love watching paint dry also. Energy regens whether you are watching it or not. Dump your e, come back in an hour an do the same. 4 hr long raid ~30 mins of RL commitment unless you want to burn shields. 4…Chat is dead?…not even close. Thank you Venan for a great game. Mini rant over

:/ sigh. I just recently became able to do FS, but we weren't doing it as a guild, so I never got a chance to fight in FS. Does this mean I won't be able to see the Sentinel again unless I start a new character? Because I remember him having really amazing artwork and it would be a waste for it to only be used once...