On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 11:09:14 Brian Stafford wrote:
| Berend De Schouwer wrote:
|
| > Hi,
| >
| > I've been looking at getting Balsa to display some of the envelope,
| > either by adding a "View->Envelope Headers" option, or by displaying
| > the raw message. I'd like to add this to better track bounced mail
| > and spam.
|
| Hi folks,
|
| I've been following this discussion with some confusion but now the
| penny has dropped. Having been involved with MTA development, the
| term "envelope" was confusing me since it refers to the sender and
| recipient information exchanged between MTAs in the SMTP protocol.
| Since the envelope is discarded when the message is delivered I couldn't
| see how a MUA such as Balsa could possibly view the envelope.
My mistake. I should know better. I got frustrated after
I couldn't get all the info I /know/ is in the mailbox.
The 'envelope' I wanted is referred to in libmutt as the
ENVELOPE structure, which contains the headers, but lacks
'Received:'.
| Other MUAs such as Netscape simply have a "View All Headers" option
| I believe this is the correct terminology. This seems to be the
| only effect of Mutt's 'h' command (which is described as
| "display message with full headers").
|
| I would request that we therefore stop referring to headers such as
| Received: as part of the message envelope, they are not. Sometimes
| parts of the envelope are added to the message headers by the MTA which
| delivers a message, notably the Return-Path: header.
| (Received: is a trace header added to the message, not the envelope,
| by an MTA which relays or delivers the message. It is to allow analysis
| of the path taken by a message in transit.)
Duly noted.
| > Envelope headers is available in Mutt, by pressing 'h', which
|
| Full headers, not Envelope headers.
This is what caused the confusion: Balsa has a view->all headers,
but it only adds some headers, not all. I particular it doesn't
show Received: which /is/ in the mailbox.
This, and the added confusion that in libmutt/mutt.h, there is an
ENVELOPE structure.
| I hope this is of some clarification if anybody else has been confused on
| this one.
Again, I apologize.
| Regards
|
| Brian
|
|
|
Kind regards,
Berend
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