Posted
by
timothyon Saturday February 26, 2011 @06:13PM
from the please-hold-for-next-representative dept.

wiredmikey writes "The operator of an online business that assisted over 2,000 identity thieves in over 5,000 instances of fraud pleaded guilty to charges of conspiracy to commit wire and credit card fraud this week. The Belarus man operated a service that helped fellow online thieves use stolen information by providing English language calling services to trick banks in the United States. The service helped counteract security measures put in place by financial institutions to prevent fraud when account holders try to make transfers or withdrawals from their accounts. In exchange for a fee, the two men provided the services of English- and German-speaking individuals to persons who had stolen account and biographical information to defeat the security screening processes."

I'm not sure that they have to all stay in the country, but what this whole thing really illustrates quite clearly is that it's that much more difficult to ensure that our laws are being respected when the work is being done overseas. The US does not have the power to enforce its laws in India anymore than the French have the right to enforce their laws in Mexico, which leads to all sorts of complications.

Unfortunately even a company that's just looking to cut the cost of labor can find itself in a position where the employees are not complying with the law in the US and have to solve that.

The easiest solution is to just not go offshore, but it isn't the most efficient, given that it's often times quite efficient to have some tech support done on the other side of the world. A problem sent in at just before closing time can be solved and answered somewhat before the customer gets up in the morning without making somebody stay up all night.

The answer is simple. Look at the telemarketing industry. Regardless of how offshore they want to make it, the FTC holds the US companies liable for the actions of the foreign companies servicing them. All the FTC cares about is the product that makes the money. The company that owns that product gets "owned" by the FTC.

Just write laws to hold US companies liable for foreign companies they pay to represent them.

"this whole thing really illustrates quite clearly is that it's that much more difficult to ensure that our laws are being respected"...in what country is stealing money by defrauding a bank legal?... it's not like you can't rip people off from a US based call center..

did you read the article?

"This case was a model of international cooperation, and serves as a warning to anyone who thinks they can hide behind the anonymity of the Internet and outside the United States to commit fraud. With our partners at

Large companies will find a way around it. Smaller companies will not be able to compete using those rules. It's always been that way. Look at how Cisco, Microsoft etc. ships stuff to Cuba and Iran, Korea etc. while smaller suppliers that don't have that kind of network get locked out of the business.

All they would have to do is put a few local people that pick up the phone, listen to the person 5 seconds and then say, sorry I can't help you with that, let me connect you to my colleague in India, he'll fix

Look at how Cisco, Microsoft etc. ships stuff to Cuba and Iran, Korea etc. while smaller suppliers that don't have that kind of network get locked out of the business.

A network? Most likely a trading company that smaller businesses can use as well.Saudi Arabia does (did?) not like if you did business with Israel and even had a law that would ban you from doing business.Here is how my dad did business with both countries 20 years ago. (nothing military)1) Export to Arabic countries directly. Even visit the c

If you need to call then that many times, you should change providers. I have called mine 2 times for technical reasons.The first time to get immediately the confirmation something was down and they were looking in on it. The second time because I had an issue with my router, which they helped diagnose the issue was on my side. Even offered to send in the router, so they could look at it, because it was something very uncommon.

That is all in the last 10+ years. The second time I let him do ALL the checks I

I NEVER give out information over the phone to people that call me our my business. I explain as politely as possible that since I can not verify they are who they say they are (or what company), Ill have to contact them with the number I have on file. Much of they time they try to argue with "but why would I?" or "but I am, you can believe me, Chase bank is a very good bank!". I generally pay my bills on time, so most of the time it's not a big deal, even if I am late on a payment for what ever reason, I k

I assume you are not talking about product information.This is the ONLY way to go. Even so that if the police calls.

And IF the police calls, only give information if they have the right papers with them (a court order). I have already told police that I would put the information aside and hand it over the moment they have the court order, so their case won't blow up in court, because the evidence is thrown out as being unlawfully obtained. This is how the standard is in Belgium.