Russia's Ghost Army in Ukraine

originally posted by: stirling
Thought I heard this story weeks ago.....Its no surprise they lie about the presence of their soldiers......
I think they pulled the same kind of disinformation when they went into Afghanistan and Chechnaya ......Deny deny deny.....
Its almost standard Russian war doctrine.....

It's been in the news for awhile, yes. This is the first time these individuals have been interviewed by a western media outlet, however. Also, you
are absolutely correct. It's straight out of the Soviet playbook from Afghanistan, and subsequently Chechnya and eventually Georgia/South Ossetia.

2 proxy civil wars going on now. Syria and Ukraine. And for some reason Main stream media sees one side as more "democratic" for peace than the
other?

In Syria.
Arab Sunni rebels and ISIS vs Shia and Christians vs Kurds. Where both Saudi Arabia and Turkey is supporting Arab Sunni rebels and ISIS. And US is
supplying weapon on Sunni miss dropping them to ISIS, making a big noise about ISIS threat but for some reason it is not really dealt with. Are US
bombings really this incompetent or is it to get support for the military industrial complex?

In Ukraine.
A US puppet created by manipulation attacking the Russian inhabitants in eastern parts when republics within Ukraine do not want to stay in Ukraine.
Russians of course pushing their interests in eastern Ukraine. The puppet change in Ukraine did effect Russian ability to modernize their army to some
extent.

I'm sorry, but this simply isn't an accurate representation of current events.

Arab Sunni rebels and ISIS vs Shia and Christians vs Kurds

The Christians have been slaughtered by ISIS for the most part, and the conflict has largely been Sunni VS Shia for hundreds of years.

Where both Saudi Arabia and Turkey is supporting Arab Sunni rebels and ISIS.

No argument from me here.

Are US bombings really this incompetent or is it to get support for the military industrial complex?

The U.S and it's allies are providing air support and logistics as well as material support for not only the Iraqi government, but for the Peshmerga
as well. The kurds have been kicking ass and taking names ever since, and have been the most effective ground force to fight ISIS since the expansion
of the latter. Given the fact the American people clearly haven't the will power for another ground war (although it would seem the troops do),
Supplying the kurds and aiding them is the next best option. So far, it's been working.

In Ukraine.
A US puppet created by manipulation attacking the Russian inhabitants in eastern parts when republics within Ukraine do not want to stay in Ukraine.

When did anyone attack the eastern Ukraine? Nobody touched eastern Ukrainians. It wasn't until the Russians annexed Crimea and then moved into eastern
Ukraine that the Ukrainians THEMSELVES fought back to keep the territorial integrity of their eastern border. They were forced out of their own
military bases at gunpoint by the Russians in Crimea. Lets not pretend there was some sort of Nazi invasion, because there wasn't.

The puppet change in Ukraine did effect Russian ability to modernize their army to some extent.

Regardless of who's puppet you think Poroshenko or Yanukovych is (both were marionettes), This had no impact on Russia's ability to modernize it's
military. That process still continues to this day.

I remember reading somewhere that you live in the Netherlands. Is that correct? If so, are you Russian? I am just curious. How would you describe
yourself politically?

No, I'm not an NSA agent. I'm just curious how one person could be so blatantly brainwashed by a particular narrative while completely disregarding
what is going on in front of them. I mean, it's not like I expect you to shout "RAH RAH USA!", but you can't even see past the propaganda to call
a Russian spade a spade. Is there a reason for that? Do you just hate america so much that Putin is like Voltron to you or are you just daft?

Yes I`m Dutch, I can translate anything in Dutch or Fries to English for you if needed (in case you wouldn`t believe me being Dutch, find a Dutch
person and he can confirm it).

I don`t think you will find anyone speaking Fries having Russian roots, there are only a couple of hundred thousand who speak that in The Netherlands
and have very local roots.

I`m not political, not right or left, both sides have too much crap going on for them.

I don`t hate America, I just hate Western foreign policy, so even my own government it`s foreign policy (they are the lapdog of America), but it would
be odd to keep referring to Dutch politics being behind the war in Syria and the Ukraine (people would think I`m nuts if I was saying that)...they
support it all, and are just as guilty according to me by simply supporting the policies which has led to the destroying of counties which are
effecting many millions of people.

Everyone only keeps thinking about the dead, but there are people who mourn about them, and how many people are suffering now from war trauma`s
because of it ?

Syria : 18 million population

Libya : 6 million population

Iraq : 36 million population

Ukraine : 44 million population

...and there`s more.

I don`t support millions and millions of elderly, children, woman, men and animals having to suffer because a few hundred elites and a few thousand of
their puppets like to control the World. I`m convinced they don`t serve ordinary people but only themselves.

When did anyone attack the eastern Ukraine? Nobody touched eastern Ukrainians. It wasn't until the Russians annexed Crimea and then moved into
eastern Ukraine that the Ukrainians THEMSELVES fought back to keep the territorial integrity of their eastern border

Come on now, you can't really believe that can you? It was Kiev's so called "Anti-terrorist Operations" that really kicked off the bloodshed. The
UAF started shelling "terrorist" positions in the east, which just happened to include hospitals, schools and apartment blocks. The rebels never
attacked the west, they just decided they wanted autonomy from Kiev.

When did anyone attack the eastern Ukraine? Nobody touched eastern Ukrainians. It wasn't until the Russians annexed Crimea and then moved into
eastern Ukraine that the Ukrainians THEMSELVES fought back to keep the territorial integrity of their eastern border

Come on now, you can't really believe that can you? It was Kiev's so called "Anti-terrorist Operations" that really kicked off the bloodshed. The
UAF started shelling "terrorist" positions in the east, which just happened to include hospitals, schools and apartment blocks. The rebels never
attacked the west, they just decided they wanted autonomy from Kiev.

Your narrative is a joke. Look at the eastern portions of Ukraine prior to the invasion of Crimea.

Look, I'm tired of having this conversation. If Russia is so god damned concerned with russian speaking people, maybe they can go home? THE BORDER IS
RIGHT THERE.

Both of them are fierce anti-Putin critics who are Kyivpost and Moscow Times favourites.

Pavel Felgenhauer

Felgenhauer initially described retaking South Ossetia from Georgia as a Russian logistical nightmare, and claimed that Russia would face a
prolonged and difficult war against Georgia's "quite good military". After the Russian Army routed the Georgian Army in five days, Felgenhauer claimed
that Russia's invasion was pre-planned.Felgenhauer's view of the 2008 South Ossetia War was criticised by Gordon Hahn, a senior researcher at the
Monterey Terrorism Research Monterey and Education Program, in a Russia related mailing list where he stated that "Pavel Felgenhauer’s conspiracy
theory has several major holes in it.

Committee 2008 is an umbrella organization of the Russian democratic opposition, formed in January 2004 in response to what they saw as the
growing authoritarianism of President Vladimir Putin. The Committee's aim is to ensure free and fair presidential elections in 2008 and to prevent an
appointment of a chosen Kremlin successor.

On 8 December 2008 she was awarded the Freedom Defenders Award by the United States Department of State.

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President Salvador Allende, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or Adolf Hitler – once again raises doubt about the basic premise of democracy:
that the people are capable of choosing their own leader. Unfortunately, only people in wealthy countries are truly capable of electing their
leaders in a responsible manner.

I think that Govt's have political reasons for doing what they do .Doesn't really matter where the compass needle points .Canada is the same ,ie
.

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commemorated on federal war memorials or in Remembrance Day services. Those who survived the war are not entitled to veterans' benefits. Although the
soldiers and the war is largely forgotten, a monument to the Mackenzie–Papineau Battalion can be found in Victoria, British Columbia. A national
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