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Star

I like this ^! You know why? Because, again, to me its a window into what's likely to come. First off, it was written by Phillip K. Dick. As you are well aware, the movie Minority Report (predictive programming, proper) was based on his work. Here we are, 15+yrs after the movie's release and we are living in a Minority Report world.https://www.activistpost.com/2013/08/10-signs-we-live-in-minority-report.html

Iam curious though....what will your reaction be when all this comes to pass? Will you finally feel vindicated, as in your beliefs, and that us Christians had been so duped, having believed a gigantic lie (bible's historicity) all along? Even better, how do you think you will react when an other-worldly being appears in the skies and vindicates/corroborates the 'recent discoveries'? How will you be able to tell the difference between what's true and what's false? Between the PTB's psyops and an other worldly being?

I too believe that there will be some discovery that changes the way we have come to understand the last two thousand years but unlike you I believe it will be the catalyst that brings down the system and not a tool of it.

If some being or entity shows up I guess I’ll have to see what it says. I suppose truth will be known as such when it is spoken, but all I could do would be to use reason and logic to the best of my ability without forgoing intuition and come to the best conclusion I can if such revelations occur.

If events start happening that mimicked the book of Revelation, how would you know if it wasn’t a projection of some sort? I believe it’s possible the “trumpet sound” phenomenon that has been occurring for that past few years world wide are tests for the very thing you speak of.

"But the "strategic" PSYOPS scheming didn't die. What if the U.S. projected a holographic image of Allah floating over Baghdad urging the Iraqi people and Army to rise up against Saddam, a senior Air Force officer asked in 1990?"

Not to detract from the usage of holographic images by the US being a possibility.
However, Muslims would reject that. The Creator can not be part of his Creation, according to Islamic theology.
Plus, if you can see God then you have empirical evidence of God hence there is no 'test of faith', the matter will already have been settled.
However, I wonder about those who think he can be seen and who will end up worshiping the anti-Christ when he performs some super miracles.
Here is a thought, what if he, the False Messiah, does use holographic images to advance his miracles.......just you think it.
He will start off saying he is the messiah and end up saying he is God, according to our sources.

Star

Thanks for your response because I’ve always wanted to ask that, of a “non-believer”, and try to understand how they think they will react. Moreso, those who neither believe in God nor Satan, how they think they will react when all of a sudden, they are confronted by this otherworldly, dazzling being, that their senses cannot deny.

I too believe that there will be some discovery that changes the way we have come to understand the last two thousand years but unlike you I believe it will be the catalyst that brings down the system and not a tool of it.

Well, it will be prudent of you to ask all the important questions regarding the ‘discovery’: why now? Who discovered it? The experts throwing their their weight behind the discovery in affirmation…what are their biases, affiliations/societies to which they belong?etc etc
If it’s a catalyst that brings down the system, what system do you expect to fill the vacuum? Maybe you should revisit VC’S article on the movie 2012.

When hell breaks loose on Earth, several important monuments are shown being destroyed. These scenes are not only spectacular to watch but they also represent the fall of important institutions as the world enters the Age of Aquarius. In one scene, the famous Brazilian monument “Christ the Redeemer” is shown falling down in a matter similar to the way statues of Saddam Hussein fell after the Gulf Warhttps://vigilantcitizen.com/moviesandtv/the-hidden-symbolic-meaning-of-the-movie-2012/

Are you really sure about this? If in this day and age people can believe MSM lies about Faraway-stan (a distant land, that is), unquestioningly accepting what is said, one can only imagine what will happen when an ET shows up, regaling us all with a revisionist history of the universe. We’ll swallow it all….hook,line and sinker?

If events start happening that mimicked the book of Revelation, how would you know if it wasn’t a projection of some sort? I believe it’s possible the “trumpet sound” phenomenon that has been occurring for that past few years world wide are tests for the very thing you speak of.

Yes, I too believe the trumpet sounds are a dry run. I’ll take you back circa 2011/2012…Harold Camping…remember him? He said the world was going to come to an end with massive, rolling earthquakes worldwide. Well, none of it panned out and people had a field day, deriding him, with comments such as…”I waited for the trumpets heralding the second advent but didn’t hear nothing…”

Anyway, how would I tell a psyop from the real thing? Well, for me, the bible is all I have and it’s the only thing against which all truth is to be tested. It’s the only safeguard that i have. So personally, whatever comes out of that entity’s mouth, if it doesn’t line up with the Scriptures, I will know that God has nothing to do with it. We can argue about giants, Paul, Israel, etc but my red line is the Decalogue/Moral Law, and any entity impersonating Christ would have much to say about said Law. Also, even though we argue a lot about it, the bible does clearly mention events that can help one differentiate. For example the resurrection of the dead, around the world, is something that cannot be pulled off by any mortals-men or angels-.

However, Muslims would reject that. The Creator can not be part of his Creation, according to Islamic theology.
Plus, if you can see God then you have empirical evidence of God hence there is no 'test of faith', the matter will already have been settled.

However, I wonder about those who think he can be seen and who will end up worshiping the anti-Christ when he performs some super miracles.
Here is a thought, what if he, the False Messiah, does use holographic images to advance his miracles.......just you think it.
He will start off saying he is the messiah and end up saying he is God, according to our sources.

Oh, really??^^^
Yes, i have thought about this and all i can say is that it won't be an easy time to be alive because miracles are easy bait, factor in, all this happening after an economic collapse when everyone is desperate. Prosperity gospel preachers are a real pain so i don't even want to imagine what the false messiah has up his sleeve...

Note; i'm not much of a movie person, moreso the dystopic and sci-fi genres aren't really my thing. I liked the movie because i really like Emily Blunt but also i thought the storyline was very interesting in regard to predictive programming but it also drew the curtain on how the elite operate. I actually thought Matt Damon's character was fictionalised account of some of the rumours surrounding Obama's road to the White house.

Star

Well, it will be prudent of you to ask all the important questions regarding the ‘discovery’: why now? Who discovered it? The experts throwing their their weight behind the discovery in affirmation…what are their biases, affiliations/societies to which they belong?etc etc
If it’s a catalyst that brings down the system, what system do you expect to fill the vacuum? Maybe you should revisit VC’S article on the movie 2012.

When hell breaks loose on Earth, several important monuments are shown being destroyed. These scenes are not only spectacular to watch but they also represent the fall of important institutions as the world enters the Age of Aquarius. In one scene, the famous Brazilian monument “Christ the Redeemer” is shown falling down in a matter similar to the way statues of Saddam Hussein fell after the Gulf Warhttps://vigilantcitizen.com/moviesandtv/the-hidden-symbolic-meaning-of-the-movie-2012/

I think the discovery may involve ( or something similar or perhaps at least some of these)

A) the early life of Christ that is conspicuously missing from the Gospel
B) that women played a much much more vital role in the ministry of Christ than previously believed
C) proof that much of what is written in the New Testament about Christ is myth
D) Proof that the whole of the old testament is myth and allegory and that "Yahweh" is not real sentient being
E) the true intentions of Paul and confirmation that the "Holy Spirit" as mentioned in Acts and afterwards was made up by certain apostles to legitimize their teachings

It will also be revealed that this is known by both the Catholic Church and the Orthodox Church and that it has been suppressed by them leading to their collapse, in the process this will defeat the hyper-literalist Protestants, causing a chain reaction that leads to a mass awakening in consciousness that leads to the rejection of Church and State and we enter into a system of Anarchism based off the ethical teachings of Christ.

Are you really sure about this? If in this day and age people can believe MSM lies about Faraway-stan (a distant land, that is), unquestioningly accepting what is said, one can only imagine what will happen when an ET shows up, regaling us all with a revisionist history of the universe. We’ll swallow it all….hook,line and sinker?

I'm not sure of anything but I suppose that actual truth cant be denied, despite all the centuries of corruption the core light of the teaching of Christ still shines and I believe that if that truth were to be told by some entity that we would recognize it. Those with ears to hear anyway.

Also, even though we argue a lot about it, the bible does clearly mention events that can help one differentiate. For example the resurrection of the dead, around the world, is something that cannot be pulled off by any mortals-men or angels-.

Star

Well, I think the bible’s historicity is very important and it lends credibility to the text as a whole. If its historically inaccurate, the next logical question is, what else isn’t accurate? The beauty of the bible is that it’s a unit made up of many books and if you discredit one part, you inevitably or inadvertently find yourself discrediting other parts. An example would be the argument that Luke, the author of Acts and companion of Paul, may have embellished certain aspects of Paul’s life. Therefore, if someone clings to that argument, it inadvertently puts the gospel of Luke into doubt because if Acts contains fabrications why would his gospel account be devoid of them? Not stopping there, since the gospels mirror each other, one ends up not only doubting Luke’s account but the other three accounts aswell.

Another example would be the prophecies. Micah 5:1-3 listed the place that would become Christ’s hometown. Now, if you say that the Jerusalem of 1-33A.D wasn’t the same as that of the Davidic era, what gives? Your exact words: ”I am saying there is no evidence of ancient Israel from a BC perspective.” Therefore, if you are fully convinced of your hypothesis then you cannot accept those prophecies because it simply doesn’t make any sense and it doesn’t stop there. If you doubt the old oracles, what reason do you have to believe the ones relating to the future?

I also think that the book you mentioned, from which you also quoted, is attempting to do what HolyBlood HolyGrail was attempting to do. These are precarious times and there are forces moving to discredit Scripture from every possible angle. We talked about it in another thread, that when Dan Brown’s book came out in 2006, a couple years later a Havard professor was ‘gifted’ with a parchment that seemed to prove Brown’s fictional account and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if ‘evidence’ was found to prove Finklestein & Silberman’s assertion.

Your thoughts have actually given me a window into what to expect should project Bluebeam be activated, if its going to play out the way we’ve been told. Just to recap:

"The first step in the NASA Blue Beam Project concerns the breakdown [re- evaluation] of all archaeological knowledge. It deals with the set-up, with artificially created earthquakes at certain precise locations on the planet, of supposedly new discoveries which will finally explain to all people the "error" of all fundamental religious doctrines. What is important to understand in the first step is that those earthquakes will hit at different parts of the world where scientific and archaeological teachings have indicated that arcane mysteries have been buried. By those types of earthquakes, it will be possible for scientists to rediscover those arcane mysteries which will be used to discredit all fundamental religious doctrines. This is the first preparation for the plan for humanity because what they want to do is destroy the beliefs of all Christians and Muslims on the planet. To do that, they need some false 'proof' from the far past that will prove to all nations that their religions have all been misinterpreted and misunderstood."

All who value their eternal interests should be on their guard against the inroads of skepticism. The very pillars of truth will be assailed. It is impossible to keep beyond the reach of the sarcasms and sophisms, the insidious and pestilent teachings, of modern infidelity. Satan adapts his temptations to all classes. He assails the illiterate with a jest or sneer, while he meets the educated with scientific objections and philosophical reasoning, alike calculated to excite distrust or contempt of the Scriptures. Even youth of little experience presume to insinuate doubts concerning the fundamental principles of Christianity.

So, something's coming and its going to knock our socks off. We may not have the nitty gritty details but it is coming and if its going to play out exactly like that ^^, you can be sure that they've already gotten the ball rolling, like Finklestein's book, to ease us into what's up ahead.
If iam not settled into what i have now, i will as soon become flotsam and jetsam, spiritually, because when that day comes, the world's best papyrologists will be paraded and the societies to which they belong will altogether affirm the 'proof'. If iam anchorless now, how will i deny the evidence of the senses? For me to deny those discoveries, i will have to maintain an unshakeable faith in the bible as it currently is.

There are a couple problems with including the quote about project Bluebeam. The first problem is that Bluebeam has not been declassified and it is not proven that it is an actual project of some kind from what I remember when I was researching this. I even remember reading the quote that you are citing and there is no known author for this quote, which does create some issues.

In addition to this, the worldview of whoever wrote this pretty clearly has a religious disposition that is inclined to believe that materialism is a threat more than likely because of a perceived connection between materialism and antichrist. I would not argue that materialism is not a threat in some respects. However, because I cannot see how they are forming this conclusion from an original source, I question whether this is the only conclusion there is to gain from wherever this came from.

Is it possible that this conclusion is formed because of the choice to ignore other information? Since there is no source for this and the person who wrote it isn't known, we can only speculate what this means.

So with every decision or belief, this perspective leads in a particular direction that I believe is more concerning than materialism. This is what I had mentioned about trading one form of ignorance for another. The choice to ignore the archeology is like a bridge to materialism because it does not answer the question of where something like the Septuagint came from. Evidence of a Jewish community begins surrounding the time when the Septuagint was created, which was originally meant to include the book of Maccabees that introduced another period of some degree of conquest. History books also indicate that this time included a number of forced conversions to Judaism, which increased the population and the historical presence of a group that does not have a presence prior to this.

So if you ignore the information that archeology is presenting because you believe that the Bible will be strong enough to overcome this "persecution", there will be nothing left but materialism at some point. This is a primary concern that I am trying to introduce with this subject. If this is ignored long enough, it will default into another form of ignorance because knowing that there is no evidence is not the same as knowing why there is a claim that has no evidence to support it.

Is it possible that what this reference to Bluebeam is really saying is that someone is still trying to control whether anyone finds out how these things came to be by controlling the field of archeology? So what we should be concerned with is not the potential for materialism, but the potential that even with archeological efforts there will still be some way to keep humanity in the dark by writing our textbooks to include that archeology proved that such and such never happened rather than that archeology was able to prove what did happen.

Knowing that there is no evidence of ancient Israel from a BC perspective is not the same thing as knowing why there is a claim that the area was known throughout history as Israel with significant historical markers like the exodus and the reign of Solomon. With the introduction of Islam, we can confidently conclude that there was a minimum of 1300 years of a solid presence of people who believed in a Biblical narrative and there has been no evidence of Solomon within this time period. That is a major red flag.

Islam does not teach that the Bible is inaccurate to say that Solomon existed so they would have no motivation to not reveal evidence that proves the existence of Solomon, which should be the easiest evidence to find in the region. They say that the Bible is accusing Solomon of occult practices which he is not guilty of, so the fact that there is no article that would have been used by Solomon. Not one cup, knife or fork is a problem at this point that has nothing to do with Finkelstein. He could simply be a man who isn't willing to risk his own integrity in investigating something that cannot be proven with evidence. 1300 years of occupation by Abrahamic religions couldn't do this either.

So where did the Septuagint come from that originally made these claims to a Greek audience? There is no cuneiform version of this document and there are sketchy stories about how it translated. There is a claim of 70 elders. There was the historical letter of Aristeas that the encyclopedia says was more than likely written by the 2nd century BC Jew impersonating a pagan to try to advertise accepting the Septuagint as truth that should be followed. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Letter-of-Aristeas

So there is no true point of origination for a book that so many have been taught to see as infallible even though they can't be given a clear answer of where it came from and the history of the Masoretic version is even worse. This does place the source of origin for the Bible on an equal level with the quote about Bluebeam that you are using and even something like the Kybalion which claims to have been written by three initiates even though they won't give their own names to be questioned.

Finally, is archeology wasting its time and could all of these questions be answered a lot more quickly if we're able to access the documents stored in the Vatican? So can materialism ever be a true conclusion to the absence of evidence if its foundation is still dependent on a large absence of evidence that could be useful to this discussion?

So my hypothesis is that the same people who created the Septuagint, which inspired deception and impersonation of pagans are the same people who created the Vatican archive. What I am saying is that the documents that created the Septuagint were more than likely stolen which is why the translators of the Septuagint are not identified and the original sources or history of these sources is not available. What I am saying is that this hinders people who believe and creates oppression so that you could say the work of the Protestant movement never finished its effort to be free of the darkness inflicted by the Vatican.

What I am also saying is that there are other ways around the stranglehold the Vatican has on the information it won't release that can be found by science and archeology. For example, we read about laws in the Old Testament, but what if we come into a greater understanding of the laws of the universe. Instead of demanding that we abide by laws that control the carnal nature of man, we would have an understanding of the presence of God that could make this requirement fall away like scales from our eyes.

Let's say we could understand through Quantum physics why there are boundaries that prevent solid objects from dissipating like a bag of marbles when we touch them. Why can't we move through the atomic makeup of a solid object the way we move atoms to an fro every time we move across a room? I am probably making a really bad description of possibilities within string theory, but my intention is to find a more practical way of explaining what it means if the world is made up of microscopic energy boundaries.

If the world is made up of miniature energy boundaries, then this would represent a law that has the potential to demonstrate the presence of God. I feel like this would also bring up questions about whether knowing something this marks the presence of the antichrist for most people as well. As though knowing these boundaries means that somehow they can be manipulated as we would imagine the antichrist to be motivated to do so that it is somehow dangerous to know that the world is held within these boundaries.

However, this is entirely what I mean when I call this a law that demonstrates the presence of God, which is comparable with former laws that were meant to guide the carnal man. Because something like this cannot be changed because of an awareness of it, this is comparable to a law meant to govern the carnal man that cannot be changed. If we can communicate an awareness of a law that governs the boundaries of the universe, this is the same as communicating an awareness of the presence of God because boundaries that cannot be changed do not exist without God.

Alternately, in theory, the ability to change these boundaries through an awareness of them would prove that God doesn't exist. However, there is no reason to believe that this is something to be concerned with. This is no different than knowing everything we know about plant life that makes it easy for many people to already accept that God created the Heavens and the earth. Knowing plant biology has not been able to allow us to manufacture plants from nothing, and this would be related to knowing the presence of laws that supersede those that seek to guide the carnal man as well.

Recognizing these laws determined through science points to the presence of God in a more unifying way. Religious books merely point to the existence of God. However, it has always been the presence of God that has motivated anyone to believe that the Bible is accurately teaching about the existence of God to begin with. As a result, these are the reasons I do not believe I have anything to fear in the pursuit of archeology regardless of how it may change what I have believed prior to its revelation.

Will remain only those who's faith is experience, not only theories, churches and doctrines. Either you know Jesus is real and for real because you experienced it or you screwed. That will thin out the harvest.

Veteran

Will remain only those who's faith is experience, not only theories, churches and doctrines. Either you know Jesus is real and for real because you experienced it or you screwed. That will thin out the harvest.

Star

Aaaah, the land that prosper from milk and honey despite their enemies attacks! The land that was given to the Israelic people from GOD and that never sould be divided! The Glory, the beauty, the incredible.. ISRAEL!

You are angered when someone blasphemes Jesus and want them to go to Hell forever... but Jews are blissfully ignorant of the fact that Jesus Christ is God. Ha ha ha but soon they will know... and by God will they mourn ! They will mourn as for an only son.

Star

You are angered when someone blasphemes Jesus and want them to go to Hell forever... but Jews are blissfully ignorant of the fact that Jesus Christ is God. Ha ha ha but soon they will know... and by God will they mourn ! They will mourn as for an only son.

I would NOT want them to go to Hell if they were merely ignorant of the deity of Christ. .... If that were truly the case, I would have compassion for them; I would pray that their eyes were opened to the truth & that they believe & get saved from Hell.

The thing is, according to the Bible, (which is my final authority) and what I personally experienced with Jews in Israel, 99% of Jews LOATHE Jesus Christ.

Most of them are reprobates, and have heard the truth, heard the Gospel and it isn’t so much that they do not understand it or haven’t realized WHO Jesus is——-they simply REJECT it. Deep down, they know exactly Who Jesus is....they simply HATE HIM.

They are assumed to believe the Torah, but they do NOT.

They do not believe ANY of the Bible, they are liars that do not love or follow the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob.

Star

I would NOT want them to go to Hell if they were merely ignorant of the deity of Christ. .... If that were truly the case, I would have compassion for them; I would pray that their eyes were opened to the truth & that they believe & get saved from Hell.

Allow me to clarify:
I’m not saying that just because a person is a Jew they automatically cannot be saved. (God is not a respecter of persons.).......

Saul was a Jew who hated Christians & murdered and persecuted them severely. That changed when he met Jesus Christ on the road to Damascus.....there he was circumcised in the heart & in the spirit, and Jesus gave him a new name to go along with his new heart—-Paul.
He believed, he was saved and went on to be one of the most tirelessly loyal Christians this world has ever known. Paul was an admirable apostle, who forsook his Jewish heritage to serve the Lord.

So don’t think I just hate Jews for being Jews. I do not.

But I DO hate those who hate God.....in fact, God commands us to. There IS such a thing as righteous hatred:

20 For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.

21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?

22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

.........and I am VERY thankful that Jesus shed His precious blood to wash away my sins. I am beyond grateful everyday for it, for without it, I would never be redeemed. The wages of my sins would surely send me to Hell. I know it is by HIS righteousness & HIS stripes that I am saved.

Star

Allow me to clarify:
I’m not saying that just because a person is a Jew they automatically cannot be saved. (God is not a respecter of persons.).......

Saul was a Jew who hated Christians & murdered and persecuted them severely. That changed when he met Jesus Christ on the road to Damascus.....there he was circumcised in the heart & in the spirit, and Jesus gave him a new name to go along with his new heart—-Paul.
He believed, he was saved and went on to be one of the most tirelessly loyal Christians this world has ever known. Paul was an admirable apostle, who forsook his Jewish heritage to serve the Lord.

So don’t think I just hate Jews for being Jews. I do not.

But I DO hate those who hate God.....in fact, God commands us to. There IS such a thing as righteous hatred:

20 For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.

21 Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?

22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

.........and I am VERY thankful that Jesus shed His precious blood to wash away my sins. I am beyond grateful everyday for it, for without it, I would never be redeemed. The wages of my sins would surely send me to Hell. I know it is by HIS righteousness & HIS stripes that I am saved.

Star

You have read the Bible and so you know they didn't just kill the prophets but also their own Messiah... because they refused to change their reprobate ways. And so God dealt brutally justly with them.

The Jews have been slaughtered scattered mocked and kicked around the world for 2000 years before they burnt up in the ovens over Europe. Trust me God is placated with the punishment He has inflicted on them.