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An anonymous reader writes "TurboTax from Intuit and H&R Block's own tax package have been perennial mainstays for U.S. citizens trying to use software to figure out just how much they owe the country, without reading the tens of thousands of pages of IRS forms guidance. With tax season just around the corner, the new online platforms from both providers raise an interesting question: can you trust your return information any more or less to an online platform than you do to the equivalent software on your computer?"

...whose name you know. More than once it incorrectly calculated taxes owed, leading both the Fed and State governments to send me a check, saying, "hey, you way overpaid your taxes."

I'm done with tax software. It's back to a human accountant. Her first consultation with us turned up a $3,400 deduction we had missed a couple of years back. That alone pays for a few years of returns and advice.

Her first consultation with us turned up a $3,400 deduction we had missed a couple of years back. That alone pays for a few years of returns and advice.

Most likely she found that deduction by running tax software. I use Turbo Tax, but I also keep up on tax law, and changes to the software, so that helps me find deductions a less informed person using the same software, would miss. Software is a tool, it can do more in the hands of a skilled user.

If you spend a day studying tax law and reading your software's manual, you will save more money than you earn at your job in a month. It is time well spent.

No. No, I won't save more money than I earn at my job in a month. There's not that much more to save. And I earn a lot. Enough that I've decided not to spend my leisure time becoming a tax accountant - you know, someone whose *job* it is to know taxes. Software doesn't mean shit, it's the person using it *and* their knowledge.

I could also paint my entire house, but I don't feel like doing that either.

I don't regard spending time learning tax regulations as time well spent. And, wrong again... she didn't find the deduction using tax software, but by looking at our returns, how we work, and then interviewing us. You know, employing skills that software doesn't do well.

I have heard circumstances like this multiple times. It really bothers me that we have invented a tax code that is on par with the game "go" as far as its ability to be computerized. There are extremely talented individuals making a living interpreting our tax code. Those same people could be doing something far more useful to society than they are now, but we have created an entire industry that sucks them away from more useful endeavors by cobbling together a tax code that is a mashup of bribes to interest groups, bribes to voters, authoritarian interference with our individual lives, and a glass ceiling protecting the one percent. If any highschool graduate can't just sit down with a calculator and pay the *exact* amount owed, we have done something wrong.

It's not an accident that tax codes are as complicated as they are. My company (one of the two mentioned) spends a ton lobbying Congress to keep the tax laws complicated enough that people cannot reasonably do it with pen and paper without missing something or spending far too long doing it. Yet they don't want to make it so complex that you have to seek professional help. It's a tricky balancing act and it tends to tip towards being too complex because, in that case, they can then direct you to their CPAs that use their expensive tax product and charge a referral fee on top of that. From the CPA perspective, the referral comes with a ton of the information already entered into the system, so they can complete more returns. I find it funny that I've had conversations with the CEO where he talks about how excited he is that his company can so radically simplify the tax experience with software while, at the same time, he's employing lobbyists to make the tax software necessary in the first place.

However even if there weren't intentional efforts to complicate the tax code, it would still be a lot more complex that you want it to be. Just like computer code that starts off elegant and simple and, through bug fixes, optimizations and new features becomes a tangled web of spaghetti code, the tax code will get more and more changes to close loopholes (bugs) and add new taxes/credits for various things (features). And business tax codes are even worse.

I'd be more upset about it if I didn't now have a ton of stock in a company that benefits from making the process simple for those willing to fork over ~$100 each year. That, and we get the software for free:-)

I am not sure what you are disagree about? Is it about the tax code should be complex? Or the country (U.S.) should make tax laws simply?

To me, the GP is talking about the company he is working for. The company is attempt to make money by lobbying the tax code to be very complex. As a result, laymen would need to find a way to file taxes -- hire a CPA or use tax software. The company will earn more revenue from people buying its software. Is it bad to make tax code more complex? I think it is. However, t

I heard that in other countries the government calculates the taxes and sends a bill. How can it make sense that the government that makes the rules leaves it to the people to figure out what/if they owe and only look at it after the fact? How does that make any sense at all?

I'm not following this. Software (I use TaxAct) is quite good at making sure to ask you a lot of detailed questions about your life events and situation. Software can make sure to ask these questions and not forget one like a human can. If you, the end-user, neglect to check a box that says (for example), "I donated a car this year", then that's your fault not the software's. If you're trying to say the accountant would ask "Hey, are you sure you didn't donate a car?" and you respond "Oh yeah...you're right, I did," then OK, the human is better at coaxing info out of you (or inducing you to lie.) Personally, I'll stick to software.

I use TaxAct too. Not the online version, but the standalone. However the first year I used it I filed online through them after preparing it locally. The following year I went to file online again and found someone else had beaten me to it. Someone who had information that could only have been obtained from access to my prior year's return. Took me most of a year and help from a senator's office to straighten it out.

Now, where did the perp get access? The laptop that I only boot into Windows once a year to

No. No, I won't save more money than I earn at my job in a month. There's not that much more to save. And I earn a lot. Enough that I've decided not to spend my leisure time becoming a tax accountant - you know, someone whose *job* it is to know taxes. Software doesn't mean shit, it's the person using it *and* their knowledge.

I could also paint my entire house, but I don't feel like doing that either.

I don't regard spending time learning tax regulations as time well spent. And, wrong again... she didn't find the deduction using tax software, but by looking at our returns, how we work, and then interviewing us. You know, employing skills that software doesn't do well.

This, a good tax accountant saves you more than doing it yourself because they know all the loopholes and deductions you can claim without being flagged for an audit.

Or even if flagged for an audit, as I was, they're able to justify the deductions... Yes, I really did go to grad school, even though the university never filed their paperwork to show my tuition. The supplies and equipment I donated to my church could be deducted, but I just had to get my minister to write a quick signed letter. The investment income I had that year wasn't all taxable, so it didn't all need to be declared as taxable income like the IRS claimed.

Totally disagree. You will save far more by doing it yourself. The reason is that you will save little by finding a deduction here or there. You will save far more by actually understanding the tax law, and restructuring your financial life to take advantage of that knowledge

Fine, let me know when you finish that 4 year degree and become a CPA (and how much it cost you). Then tell me how long it takes for you to become intimately familiar with the tax code and then tell me how long you spend keeping up on the changes to the tax code.

Meanwhile I'll continue to spend a whopping $140 per year (which I claim on next years tax return, as well as the petrol I used getting from my home to his office) to have someone who does this for a living do it all for me and spend my time doing something I'd like to.

So you think it's worth a 4 year degree, to save $140 a year... I'm sorry but after that I dont think it's a good idea to take tax advice from you.

BTW: $140 p/a is expensive for a personal tax return in Oz, but this guy is brilliant.

Illustrating again that if you're rich there's always a way out of your taxes, if you're poor you pay every cent.

You don't have to be rich to take advantage of the tax system. You just have to be non-stupid, and willing to do a little work. Setting up a personal corporation takes just an hour or two, and maybe $200. It will pay for itself many times over in the first year. The janitor my company uses is incorporated, which means we run no risk of having his contractor status challenged, or dealing payroll tax overhead, etc. So we are willing to pay him more than we would pay a non-incorporated individual. If you

It seems odd for me to use a tax service, since they'd just ask the same questions turbo tax asks, and the most difficult part for me is often just gathering up all the necessary paperwork. Not much time saved, plus added inconvenience of setting up appointments and such. I doubt they'll find any non-obvious savings, since I don't have a variety of investments, I don't day trade, I don't have unusual tax situations, etc.

If you spend a day studying tax law and reading your software's manual, you will save more money than you earn at your job in a month. It is time well spent.

For personal finances I don't feel this way. I suspect it would take the equivalent or more of the time spent working during that theoretical month to gain/maintain that knowledge, and (for me at least) would be an extremely boring and unpleasant chore. I'd rather take the hit and spend that time doing something I enjoy. Money isn't everything, or we'd all probably be lawyers;p

They do but none of them use Turbo Tax. Their stuff is A LOT more expensive than that. On a side note, modern pro tax programs all support an outsourcing button where all your shit gets sent to India to be computed. I recommend you verify with any accountant you use (in writing) that they do not outsource your tax forms.

get them to sign a form that you create stating this exactly. all work will be done by person (xyz), signed by him and this person sits in office (abc). something to that effect.

we have to stop this outsourcing shit before it gets even more out of hand than it already is. there are huge privacy issues at stake here and once it leaves the country, anything can happen to that info.

I assume most experts in their field use software that is relevant to their field of expertise. I also assume they use it more effectively than I would, given the fact that I use the software relevant to my profession far more effectively than a non-expert possibly could. I assume I'm not a special snowflake in that regard, and thus this is a reasonable generalization.

If you spend a day studying tax law and reading your software's manual, you will save more money than you earn at your job in a month. It is time well spent.

Wrong analysis. If we assume (and this is a big assumption) that I save as much as the professional I could hire would, then it doesn't ma

Truthfully, unless you go to a person who specializes in taxes, and has done so for years, I find that the online tax software is more efficiant than the human accountants. Many places, such as H&R Block, that sets up tax advisors in Walmart and places like that, hire out-of-work people, send them to school for a couple of weeks, hire them for about 3-4 months and pay them around $10 an hour. I know people who have done it. Many can hardly b

OK, how about three anecdotes? Last time I used TurboTax I got a polite letter from the IRS saying I owed $68,000. I ran over to an accountant who reviewed our return, ended up getting us a refund of over $5000 and more than payed for herself.

Turbo Tax is OK, but the tax code is so complicated that if you have anything other than 'normal' income (ie, W2's and 1099's) you may miss out on big problems or rewards. No more TT for me. Actually, the accountant does use some form of Intuit software, but it's far beyond my interests and abilities. And I agree with other posters. I could probably learn the stuff, but would rather start pulling out my toenails with pliers, thankyouverymuch.

What sort of deductions? Seriously, I can't think of anything significant that would apply to me that I don't know of. Certainly not enough that it could pay for a CPA's time. Sure, if I inherited parent's estate it would be complex and I'd try to get some help for that year, or if some other unusual situation came up, but for typical use the tax software will handle it.

don't bother using a 'send it away to india' cheap service. they will fuck your shit up worse than a $9 tax program.

if you want it done right, make sure it never gets sent offshore and its done by guys with white hair (ie, older guys). age does matter and experience is worth paying for. young guys don't know everything, but older guys generally more aware of how things work in the real world.

if you have anything other than trivial tax returns, find a real accoun

If you have the sort of tax situation where software can make/break that kind of deduction or over/underpayment, you really shouldn't be using tax software yourself anyway. You can probably (and should!) have a professional helping you to handle your taxes.

If you just need to file a 1040-EZ and don't want to print and mail in the paperwork yourself, it works just fine.

An audit requires a large amount of time and effort on the part of the victim. It's an extremely time consuming and frustrating process if you have _simple_ finances. The NSA spying is largely transparent and non-intrusive.

I have every bill and major receipt received since 2008. I keep them in a small filing cabinet, organized by category (current employment, old health insurance, car paperwork, etc.), and I cull the oldest crap when it gets too full.

I recently had to apply for a US security clearance, which involves filling out a nice big form detailing every residence you've had for the past decade, and in some cases they even want account numbers for utilities and such. I had mine accessible.

Mind you it doesn't say 'cloud' every 5 words, but it submits it all online and even auto fills in a lot of your data from government databases.Not sure how long it has been available for but many many years without incident.

Mind you it doesn't say 'cloud' every 5 words, but it submits it all online and even auto fills in a lot of your data from government databases.
Not sure how long it has been available for but many many years without incident.

So here in the Land of the Free, the IRS probably has the information it needs anyway (for fraud detection, and because Joe Worker's employer already reports it); but we can't let them destroy the free market, and capitalism itself, by making the process any easier. Instead, you just hand over your money and personal information to an 'Authorized e-File Provider' [irs.gov] and be glad that you live in the bestest ever country on earth.

Yeah, I mentioned that at work once. That in foreign countries your return is pretty much done for you, and you just sign off on it. If it isn't correct you provide proof and then send that amendment back in. I got an incredulous stare and an "Oh, that'd be great for the government. They could say whatever they wanted and people would just pay up."

*sigh*

A good many people have no idea that the IRS already has all your W-2s and could fill out a simple 1040-EZ on your behalf. Sure, when you're itemizing it would get a bit more complicated, but for the vast majority of folks who don't itemize, there is no reason that the IRS can't have everything filled out for you, and all you need to do is sign and return.

At risk of feeding the trolls, do you realize the category error you are making?

When I'm interacting with a given entity, state or private, yeah I definitely do expect to be able to do so through a website they provide or (if such is relevant to the situation) an API they provide for other front-ends and clients.

Having to hire an 'authorized e-file provider' in order to send a tax return to the IRS is like having to hire a third party to send in this post on my behalf. There isn't anything stopping me

I'm not saying the system isn't with its flaws, but saying you'd rather have the government do it for you "for free" just shows that 1) you're ignorant of how things work in the real world,

The point isn't about it being "for free" per se or not. It's that to get to the point of accepting a tax return online and reviewing its accuracy at a fundamental level, the IRS already has to (or at least, should be) correlate all the known information about the filer in the first place. Ie, you're already 99.9% of th

There's also the fact that (since the IRS doesn't actually write the tax code, merely implement it), providing it to the public, in a format designed to be as agnostic and machine-readable as possible, would be the closest thing to 'simplifying' that anybody without control of the tax code itself could actually do... The messy business of mapping real-world phenomena to specific boxes on the worksheet would still occupy an army of tax lawyers, for a relatively small number of people and firms; but for those

See, that's exactly how the U.S. should do it. It is moronic that we have to pay 3rd parties to submit data and money to the government. But we are responsible if the data is wrong, not the bad programmers.

Or doesn't know how to program. Not saying I'm one of those, but there is a place in this world for nurses and cooks and carpenters who know their trades quite well but not how to construct an algorithm in a computer.

Come on, we all know that if you use online tax software then the NSA can get access to your tax information! They spent BILLIONS of dollars in sophisticated backdoor technology so they can read all of our tax returns!

I realize it's a joke, but legally the government outside the IRS isn't allowed to look at your tax returns. If you are a pimp or a drug dealer, you must file taxes with your correct occupation, however these taxes are not admissible as evidence against you, and law enforcement doesn't have access to it to point you out as a drug dealer.

Theoretically anyway.

There's been some funny side effects to the law, such as a prostitute who argued that her services weren't as much as the government claimed and she didn't owe so many back taxes. Congress passed a law that only the cost of goods sold count against revenue for dealing drugs (you can't include the cost of advertising) - however breast implants are a legitimate tax deduction as long as they're so large that they're purely for professional good and not personal enjoyment. And of course Al Capone going to jail on tax evasion, of all things.

but legally the government outside the IRS isn't allowed to look at your tax returns

Unless you're buying health insurance in one of the new Obamacare exchanges. Or applying for a FHA mortgage. Or you happen to be the subject of an ongoing criminal investigation. Your State Government can access it too, if they have an income tax and wish to match up your State return to the Federal one. The IRS also shares returns with SSA.

There's also a multitude of Federal and State agencies that can access your tax account, if not your actual returns. The Department of State will check with the IRS before they issue or renew a passport, for the purpose of collecting foreign income taxes and denying passports to serious tax scofflaws. Child support enforcement agencies can seize refunds, so they've got a mechanism of communication with the IRS too.

I realize it's a joke, but legally the government outside the IRS isn't allowed to look at your tax returns. If you are a pimp or a drug dealer, you must file taxes with your correct occupation, however these taxes are not admissible as evidence against you, and law enforcement doesn't have access to it to point you out as a drug dealer.

Theoretically anyway.

I don't buy this.

Title 26, United States Code, Section 6103 states:

(i) Disclosure to Federal officers or employees for administration of Federal laws not relating to tax administration(1) Disclosure of returns and return information for use in criminal investigations(A) In generalExcept as provided in paragraph (6), any return or return information with respect to any specified taxable period or periods shall, pursuant to and upon the grant of an ex parte order by a Federal district court judge or magistrate judge under subparagraph (B), be open (but only to the extent necessary as provided in such order) to inspection by, or disclosure to, officers and employees of any Federal agency who are personally and directly engaged in—(i) preparation for any judicial or administrative proceeding pertaining to the enforcement of a specifically designated Federal criminal statute (not involving tax administration) to which the United States or such agency is or may be a party,(ii) any investigation which may result in such a proceeding, or(iii) any Federal grand jury proceeding pertaining to enforcement of such a criminal statute to which the United States or such agency is or may be a party,solely for the use of such officers and employees in such preparation, investigation, or grand jury proceeding.

(4) Use of certain disclosed returns and return information in judicial or administrative proceedings(A) Returns and taxpayer return informationExcept as provided in subparagraph (C), any return or taxpayer return information obtained under paragraph (1) or (7)(C) may be disclosed in any judicial or administrative proceeding pertaining to enforcement of a specifically designated Federal criminal statute or related civil forfeiture (not involving tax administration) to which the United States or a Federal agency is a party—(i) if the court finds that such return or taxpayer return information is probative of a matter in issue relevant in establishing the commission of a crime or the guilt or liability of a party, or(ii) to the extent required by order of the court pursuant to section 3500 of title 18, United States Code, or rule 16 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure.

With local TurboTax, you're just running closed source software. However, you can quarantine it such that it is unable to transmit anything over the tubes, and print the result, limiting the worst case scenario to incorrectly filled out forms.

With online tax prep, you're sending all your details to some online server somewhere, and hoping that they only do the computations and wipe all the data. But they won't. It'll be stored so next year it'll be "half filled in already for your convenience". If you value your financial privacy, you would not use an online tax service.

My take on this is to log in and provide hypothetical information under a pseudonym. I let it come up with whatever it will... then use that as a guide to hand fill in my official paper return.

I highly resent being compelled to share my financial state of affairs with anyone, even the government, as much as they resent my prying into their affairs - such as how they are spending that which they extracted from me.

Even more so, I resent being compelled to share personal private information to third par

All of your tax information like your W-2 and various 1099s are provided to you by other people. People who keep that data on their servers. I'm not sure what sort of "financial privacy" you think you have, but the US tax system doesn't allow for much, if any.

Risk. What's the worst that could happen? Well, your AGI can be used as a form of identity. So can your SSN. Your employment history as well is used as identity (you will be quizzed on this when applying for loans). You file any address changes and your current address, and your address history is used as identity (same deal).

Probability of any of these being hijacked is roughly identical. It's low: compound trustworthiness of the org

I don't keep any tax data on my PC for security reasons. Had an iMac a while ago that blew up and it was a pain to get the drive out before trashing the thing. Easier just to keep the data in the tax cloud.

I don't keep any tax data on my PC for security reasons. Had an iMac a while ago that blew up and it was a pain to get the drive out before trashing the thing. Easier just to keep the data in the tax cloud.

The fact that you couldn't get the drive out isn't a security issue, it's an Apple engineering issue.

You are going about the secure data destruction business all wrong... Once the computer is toast, anything between you and the platters is just 'collateral damage'. A rifle, angle grinder, or cutting torch will go right through an iMac without much difficulty.

A friend of mine made an interesting point to me a few years ago, and caused me to switch from online versions to the local ones you install on your system. With the local versions, you get to keep the data files. The online versions tend to purge from year-to-year, or at least after a couple years. If you want to refer to an older return, be it because you are being audited, or just to help figure out something on this year's forms, you'll have everything (worksheets, forms, etc.) with the local version, assuming you back up the software and data files. Online, you probably just have a PDF of whatever finally got submitted to the IRS, and that's it.

A word of caution, though. For reasons that, no doubt, have to do with fundamental difficulties in computer science, the rapid changes in the storage of integers and trivial floats; rather than being money-grubbing shitweasels, vendors of standalone accounting/tax-prep packages have a... spotty... record when it comes to compatibility of older files with newer clients.

I recently had the pleasure of migrating some antique version of Quicken to the present. The "Well, just open the old file with the new so

The officially-recommended(but not supported, or guaranteed to produce accurate results) solution was to take the oldest file, install an intermediate version a few years newer than that file, open the file with the intermediate version, allow it to convert, check the results manually, do the same with a second intermediate version, and then finally take the output from the second intermediate version and import it into the current version.

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I don't know about you, but the first time anyone recommended anything remotely similar to that for their software would cause me to terminate the program with extreme prejudice, take the CD's and shred them into tiny, sharp pieces and mail them to company wrapped up in a pipe bomb.

Oh, believe me, the only vestiges of politeness I preserved in that situation were for the poor sucker who had dutifully been typing her records in for years, and stood to lose them if they couldn't be migrated. Quicken... they can go to the special hell.

This was sort-of my understanding of the big popular tax software also,,,,, that if you use the online services or not, the package is still only going to function for one year. And it's no accident.

A friend spent a number of hours over a few weeks entering tax info into a (big-well-known) program they had purchased the previous tax-year, figuring they'd just print it out and mail everything in, because they couldn't e-file it because it wasn't a current version,,,, and guess what? "Sorry, you need an upg

For attackers trying to collect personal information -- for identity theft, for dirt, for spying -- can you imagine a better target than servers holding everyone's tax returns?

Remember, security needs to make an attack more costly than the data is worth to the attacker. What responsibility / liability do vendors have regarding security for these servers? A breach may not cost them very much.

Well the IRS still has the mother lode, the best target. But you're exactly right; if they are keeping all that info, they'll soon be the second best target. And when they get broken into, it'll be much much worse than the recent Adobe screwup.

(Thanks. If you could post a source besides a random PDF (which many people on/. will hesitate to download) and highly partisan, anti-Obamacare RedState, it would help your point and be informative for the rest of us.)

Or... you could go beyond your close-mindedness, trust that your web browser will simply open the PDF up for you (as mine does)... and maybe take with a grain of salt what the evil RedState has to say... doubly so when you do not know how I arrived at choosing that link (hint, it was a quick search and was the top relevant result).

Just for you, here is another link, but about the PDF above & a quote from the CEO of TrustedSEC who was testifying in Washington today:

The point was that PDFs are, thanks to Adobe, attack vectors (http://www.iceni.com/blog/2012-was-the-year-for-pdf-viruses-trojans-and-exploits/) and asking someone to open one is akin to asking them to run a binary email attachment. Your "trust me, I'm a doctor" response does not address that concern in the least.

RedState, Fox, etc. have lied to me consistently. I don't think it's close-minded to learn from that and disregard them. I think the Huffington Post or Daily Kos are prone to exaggeration and don't rely them either, but there's less outright lying and deceit.

For security and privacy, I'd say it's about equal. I don't recall any breaches of that data turning up, and if someone had breached it I'd think news would've turned up. That kind of breach is the kind the perps or someone in the know couldn't resist bragging about.

For legal compliance purposes, you have to trust the on-line services less. The IRS puts the obligation to have the information on you, regardless of who you used to prepare your return. You need to make sure you've got copies of both the return

If you know the Tax Code ok, or you actually have simple taxes*, software works fine.

You have to be somewhat familiar with the tax code because there's no easy way for us to translate tax law into simple English, so it's very easy for people to misinterpret one of the numerous questions the software asks. If you do that you a) don't get a deduction you deserve or b) do take a deduction and get screwed if you get audited. I'm a bit out-of-practice, but the student debt/tuition credit/HOPE credit/etc. nexus of Feds giving people tax breaks for paying for college in particular is very easy to screw up.

*Everyone I have ever met says they have simple taxes. Then they drop the annuity on the table and call it a W2. If you have any income besides interest on a bank account or a W2 you do not have a tax form H and R Block defines as "simple." You really need to read the paperwork that you are sent because many people take a chintzy $350 job helping their cousin cater a banquet, get a 1099, and are then surprised that I am legally required to put that on a Schedule SE and a Schedule C or C-EZ attached to a full 1040, and by the time you pay me for all those forms AND the self-employment tax you're losing money. The really big numbers at the top will tell you exactly what form it is. They'll be 1098, 1099, or W2.

I've been using TaxAct.com for 4+ years for personal taxes and it is fantastic. Super cheap and reliable.. All information from previous years is stored on their servers so each year it gets easier to file.
Unlike healthcare.gov, I trust their site, it works, is easy to use, cheaper than anything else, and they didn't the taxpayers a half billion dollars on the rollout.

... since almost inevitably the final result is e-filed, either by you or by your tax preparer.

YMMV, but a couple of things came to my mind.

First, if you're asking this question it's really likely that doing your own taxes isn't saving you anything. An accountant or similar preparer can do them faster, and almost always finds savings that you won't. Plus, at least in Canada, if the tax people come a knockin' it will be your preparer who deals with them, not you.

Last year, I declared my basement the Sovereign Kingdom of Ratzistan, and myself the Lord High Exalted Mystic Ruler for Life. Not only will I not be paying taxes any more, but I've just sent the US Government a bill for $100,000 for the easement of my front door where they insist on putting their so-called "mail" and "restraining orders" and such. I talked to a lawyer that I met on Craig's List and he says I got a great case and instead of taking a percentage, he charged me a flat fee of $1200 to set me up with all the proper documents. They look really nice, too with a gold foil trim and big official seal.

You laugh now, but when I get that $100,000 (well, it'll be $98,800, after I pay back the nice Italian guy at the bar who lent me the $1200 for the lawyer), I'm gonna buy myself a sweet gaming rig and drop the rest on the Broncos to win the Super Bowl. Then we'll see who's laughing.

One version of TurboTax a couple of years ago transmitted every entry I did on my machine in this software package to some outside entity.Add a number - firewall comes up asking for permission to connect. Move around - same thing.May have been some debugging feature but who the hell needs to see every move I do in some debug-log, if this was the case.

Do I trust the Co? Sure no, their attempts to tie you in and milk $$'s out of you are disgusting.

"can you trust your return information any more or less to an online platform than you do to the equivalent software on your computer?"

Well, the information on your tax return will eventually be sent to the Internal Revenue Service. You may not know this, but the IRS is part of the same United States Federal Government that also has the NSA spying on you. Once the IRS has the information, you are hosed.

I would not advise shorting the IRS. That is a very bad idea. They can be downright chippy about it. Prote

So I started using TaxSlayer.com because they offer cheap $9.95 federal filing and a discounted state filing and supported multi-state filing. Everything was great and it was a nice web interface, detailed access to the actual forms and good questions asked.

I am familiar with the tax forms enough to do my own semi-complicated taxes for a full time job and a side-business sole-proprietorship that includes complex self-employment schedules and amortization and appreciation of equipment purchases, entertainme

I tried TurboTax before, granted it was probably a decade ago. After several hours of trying to figure out how to correclty answer questions, gave up.

Just go to an accountant. You can get your taxes prepared and signed for $100-$200. The forms will be filled out correctly. You save a lot of time. You save money by having someone who knows the tax code get you more money back (or pay less taxes).