and the regular users just pay 300€ just to unlock some features. That's really starnge. everything is here but totally limited in LE, you just have to pay 300€ to use the features as you want. In fact, the complete version didn't give you more features, it just give you the right to use them without limitation. that's the worse case I seen.

I'm normally an Ableton fan, but the effects limitations are a very bad joke. I would recommend every budget sequencer I can think of (P5, Garageband, Sonar Home Studio, Tracktion, Reaper, etc.) over this.

i always hoped for a smaller live-version, but this is too small.
i wouldn't use it for producing so the instrument/fx limitations wouldn't be such a big problem for me, but the limitation to only 8 scenes and no midi(-clock) for external synths makes it nearly unusable, i think.

I find it strange the plugin/effects limitations aren't significantly higher than what you already get in the bundled Live Lite. I keep Live Lite around for testing and occasionally fiddling about with it, I'd have considered an upgrade to LE if they did something like limit the number of tracks (like a total 8 tracks, split between audio/MIDI as you like, or even limiting you to just the session view) but offered unlimited plugins/instruments/effects.

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Good as a scratchpad, or for working in that 'loop' stylee that dont really need plugins, as quite a lot of people do.

For 1/3rd the price of Live, its a fairly decent entry-level offering, with the same kind of limitations as most company's entry-level gear. They could be a bit more generous, on plugin limits though. And reinstate ReWire.

If you wanted to up your plugin count, the usual subhost provisions (eXT et al) should be more than adequate.

whyterabbyt wrote:Good as a scratchpad, or for working in that 'loop' stylee that dont really need plugins, as quite a lot of people do.

For 1/3rd the price of Live, its a fairly decent entry-level offering, with the same kind of limitations as most company's entry-level gear. They could be a bit more generous, on plugin limits though. And reinstate ReWire.

If you wanted to up your plugin count, the usual subhost provisions (eXT et al) should be more than adequate.

I do agree about the VST limitation, and even more serious in my opinion, leaving out rewire. With ReWire I imagine a lot of users of alternative hosts would grab it for it's looping capabilities, and rewire it into their main host. But they've now missed that potential market.

I get the overall impression that this is aimed as an alternative to Sequel, and I suspect/hope they go all out on the advertising into that noob market.

Again on the price, it's better imho than Acid Music Studio (which only allows 16-bit recording/audio) or Sequel (which has no plugin ability whatever). So at least a good offering from Ableton, and nice to see them recognise another layer of the market