ND should do better next year, so there's some hope. Weis needs to really recruit defensive players and ditch their coordinators. First they couldn't score, then they couldn't stop anyone from scoring. As a USC fan, I enjoyed this a lot.

It couldn't happen to a nicer college program. Notre Dame's self promotion and back patting has always left me cold. Now they get what's coming to them and not even resurrecting Pat O'Brien from the grave could help them now. They have always struck me as the college equivalent of the Dallas Cowboys or N.Y. Yankees: the self proclaimed "America's Team" that America never asked for.

Charlie Weiss is a clueless loser and good luck to Notre Dame with him. B.T.W., when the Cougars get through with Ty Willingham and the Huskies no one will be phoning to get Ty back.

ND finished their campaign at 3-9. Wins against perennial powers UCLA, Stanford, and Duke. Oh wait this is football we're talking about....

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alwaysatnet, about the "Yankees" as being one of the 'America's teams' that was not asked for:

"America's Team" are the Dallas Cowboys' and to a (MUCH) lesser extent, Ted Turner's Atlanta Braves; the Yanks never insisted on being referred to in a 'national' sense. Any 'geographical' reference associated with the Yankees is local not national: i.e. their "BRONX Bombers" moniker. The only thing I can think of that "America-wise" sets the Yankees apart from any other American professional sports team, is that they are the only TEAM never to have any of their PLAYER'S NAMES on their uniforms; all other teams (esp. baseball) have at one time or another despite a number of them having "seen the light" and going back to the 'old school' traditional look. And speaking of "America's Team," what of the "Terrell Owens" type of showboating???....That doesn't fly with the Yankees; that crap came and went with Reggie Jackson (and Jackson's standing-at-home-plate "act" was one that many here didn't warm up to). Manny Ramerez and Barry Bonds can stand there with their arms raised showing up the other team/opposing pitcher and be beloved by the "locals," but you will NOT see that nowadays from the "Non-America" New York Yankees. De classe' RBI clowns such as Ramerez (who looks like a mariachi band castoff, what with his 'bellbottom' pants & shiny patent-leather spikes) obviously consider 'styling' at home plate to be de rigguer---however, again, that's not the case with "The Pinstripers."

America's team? Nah. That's the Cowboys (& Ted Turner's Atlanta Braves) -- again, in both cases, a SELF-PROCLAIMED "title." Here in N.Y., we simply call 'em: The Yankees or Yanks (the papers use the "Bronx Bombers" tag) or, once in a blue moon, the Hilltoppers (their original name). Yankees as "America's team?" Nah, aren't they now referred to as "The Evil Empire" by those not-so-darling-afterall, Boston Red Sox front office schmucks? Gee, now THERE'S class for ya.

Finally, the Yankees are the team that's "publically hated" yet (silently) loved by the opposing team's owners as they note that the ticket sales suddenly double when "THE NO-NAME TEAM" comes to town.

ND never claimed to be America's team, but the way they push around their tradition and reputation on the masses easily gives you the impression they want to be America's team. They get all their home games televised on national TV, get special treatment from the BCS (finish in the top 12 and they're in, AND get a share of the BCS money even if they don't make a BCS bowl), and their fight tune is so annoying....

I used to like ND as a kid (during the rocket Ismail era) and felt they got cheated out of a national title to Florida St. But ever since Lou Holtz left, I started to dislike them (the overhyped Rick Mier/Ron Poulus/Brady Quinn, the incompetence of Bob Davies, the firing of Willingham, they got into bowls they didn't deserve, Weis, etc.).

I'm glad that ND, Florida St, Penn St., Miami, Nebraska, Alabama and others have gotten a dose of the new reality in football. It'll be interesting to see how those guys cope while we get treated to college ball at its best.

I was referring to Notre Dame's 2-9 football squad. Their B-ball program isn't that hot either.

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Sorry, I was actually talking about their soccer team, just happened to catch a glimpse of their semi-final match on TV and thought they were impressive. Anyways, please pardon my interjections and carry on with your American Football and Russian Women talks!@!

Sorry, I was actually talking about their soccer team, just happened to catch a glimpse of their semi-final match on TV and thought they were impressive. Anyways, please pardon my interjections and carry on with American Football your and Russian Women talks!@!

I rest my case. USC (Southern California, not the disappearing South Carolina) did their job and wiped the floor with ND and UCLA. The Trojans are the REAL USC. Meanwhile, did South Carolina even make Martin Luther King a holiday? If they FINALLY did, just shows how evolutionary that part of the Bible belt is.

You simplify how far he went down though in the next two seasons though. He went 5-7 the next year and 4 of those losses were blow outs which are not suppose to occur at Notre Dame. His 3rd season he went 6-5 which was also a bad year considering the manner in which they were losing games. So he really had two bad seasons.

Willingham is not exactly tearing it up at Washington now either. He so far has gone 2-9 and 5-7. This year I would be surprised if they finish above .500 I think Willingham is overrated actually. He had 2 good seasons at Stanford, 2 okay ones and 3 bad ones.

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The trainwreck that is Willingham continues. After finishing up his 3rd straight losing season at Washington, he starts out this season 0-5. Hey pay me 1.5 mil/ year and I can give you the same results

The only potential win he has on the schedule is WSU, and that is not a gimme.

The trainwreck that is Willingham continues. After finishing up his 3rd straight losing season at Washington, he starts out this season 0-5. Hey pay me 1.5 mil/ year and I can give you the same results

The only potential win he has on the schedule is WSU, and that is not a gimme.

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It pains me to see how lousy the Huskies have become. The program Don James put on the map is just a shell of itself. The fans are great and the school is very strong academically. They deserve better.

Notre Dame fell once again. Weis got outcoached by Wanstadt (guy who has been getting booed by the team's fans the past few years)? :shock: Pitt didn't even have a lead in the game until the OT. ND's weak schedule still can't mask their weaknesses.

Michigan has clinched a losing season, their first since 1967. ABC, please do not televise the OSU-Michigan game. Both teams suck and the Big 10 is almost as lousy as the Big East and ACC.

I know, whenever I see a guy with a ND logo on his clothes, I say "I feel your pain." My Illini aren't that good anymore after they pulled off that upset of Ohio State last year. But they beat Iowa 27-24 (I think. But it's still a W.)

Michigan has clinched a losing season, their first since 1967. ABC, please do not televise the OSU-Michigan game. Both teams suck and the Big 10 is almost as lousy as the Big East and ACC.

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I'd have to say, the Big 10 is not "almost" as lousy as the Big East. They're worse than the Big East. Penn State will be in the national title game, which is a shame, because they're going to get crushed. Not good for anyone.

Penn State fans: understand that you should NOT want to be in that title game. See Ohio State last two years for explanation.

I'd have to say, the Big 10 is not "almost" as lousy as the Big East. They're worse than the Big East. Penn State will be in the national title game, which is a shame, because they're going to get crushed. Not good for anyone.

Penn State fans: understand that you should NOT want to be in that title game. See Ohio State last two years for explanation.

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Penn St is Penn St and Ohio St is Ohio St.

Why would they want to see Ohio State for explanation?

Penn State's been beating their bowl opponents for past couple of years.

He's not yet sure exactly what the role will be, although he strongly hinted he could get more involved in play calling -- a role he gave up before the season in an effort to become more of a coach to the entire team.

"I'm trying to do this head coach thing where you kind of delegate. But I think that when there's a problem and it's an area where you believe that you can be part of the answer, I think you'd better go help," he said Sunday evening.

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Irish are 5-4 heading into next week's game with Navy. And we all know what happened in last year's game. ND might not even make a bowl as they also have USC to play. Weis is milking Notre Dame real good.

Notre Dame losing at home to 2-8 Syracuse team. I guess that big fat contract to Weis after one year was not such good idea

OR Notre Dame's former coach Ty Willingham losing to WSU. It had to be the first time in college football history that a 0-10 team was a 9.5 point favorite in game. As bad as Washington happened to be, 1-10 WSU looked like a high school team out there. They had zero offense for 59 minutes of the game and then all the sudden the QB throws a bomb that is caught and they kick a FG and to send into OT. Of course WSU goes on to win while Willingham will go down as the worse coach in Pac 10 history (0-12)after he loses next week to CAL.

UW is so pathetic they make the Detroit Lions look like a real football squad. The Pacific Northwest is having a bad season with UW, WSU, and the Seahawks all vying for the title of "Worst Team in the State." I guess the Cougars won the Apple Cup, though that's the closest thing to bragging rights they'll get this year. Good luck recruiting for both schools because I doubt the talent pool from California is interested in going to either team.

Texas Tech is having a very bad night against Oklahoma (52-14 atm), so there's still more time for some other teams to eat crow.

Sometimes, you see a team rally around the fallen coach such as was apparently the case here with Syracuse's Greg Robinson in a ND-esque "win-it-for-the-Gipper" manner, i.e. a clear underdog playing an inspired game for THEIR lame duck coach who's getting the ax at the end of the season--the player's "gee, sorry coach" going away present. It happens from time to time. That said, it is indeed pretty gauling for Weis & Co. to lose to a very sub-par 2-8 Syracuse team....but then again soyizgood, while recognizing your distain/dislike for the Big East, Syracuse nevertheless represents yet another Big East Conference team (and in a down year no less) that has walked into South Bend and beaten ND on their own turf this year. I'm wondering what bothered you more: ND losing on its home field or yet another Big East team (again, in a down year) doing the dirty deed? ;-)

But that aside, why the Big East-phobia, generally-speaking? Was it because of nationally ranked Southern Cal getting beaten the other night by Seton Hall, one of the "little" Big East schools.....with a high school name to boot? Ouch! lol. Given that, I'm surprised that you don't "relate" and that you don't at least feel some fraternal empathy with ND fans. ;-) LOL~!

as for the Bruins, they too had to rebound from an upset loss to Michigan and I'm sure they'll win their next hurdle: Florida International. After that, the Bruins face Univ. of Texas whom I'm sure they'll beat. Hell, Notre Dame (which basketball-wise, IS a Big East team) beat Texas last night....and we know how lousy ND and the Big East is. Enjoy your Big East bashing pal...lol...but the warning signs are out there.......UConn....unranked Syracuse beating ranked Florida & Kansas back-to-back (what "unranked" team is the Pac-10 could you see pulling off that stunt?) .....Pitt....Marquette...G'Town....'Nova....De Paul .....

(read the ESPN tickers when they flash "Top 25" across the screen and quietly call out the conferences each team represents.....ACC, Big East, whatever, Big East, whatever, Big East and so on.... ) Not a flame; I mean I do enjoy you and your posts...but this does call for a razz of sorts....so without further adieu: :razz:

^^^ I don't have any disdain for the Big East when it comes to basketball. I actually liked Syracuse, Georgetown, and Seton Hall as a kid. I kind of warmed up to UConn when I flirted with the idea of studying out of state.

Actually, I have more disdain for the ACC. I can't stand Duke or North Carolina. Good thing they are typically the pits in football. There were times I liked Georgia Tech and Wake Forest at bball, but other than that the ACC is overhyped in bball and a joke at football (the WAC, MWC, PAC-10....even the Big East have better quality teams). Adding FSU, Miami, and BC ended up making that conference worse at both football and basketball....LMAO

USC's loss to Oregon State doesn't look so bad now. Florida's loss to Mississippi at home is actually worse.

Still, that East Coast media and F'in BCS will find a way to screw USC. In '03 the BCS ranked OU #1 AFTER losing 35-7 in the Big-12 title game. That despite USC being #1 on BOTH human polls, the BCS kept USC from even playing the title game. The BCS screwed the PAC-10 TWICE this decade from playing in the title game just so they could appease the Big-12 CHUMP (not even conference champ in either case).

^^^ I don't have any disdain for the Big East when it comes to basketball. I actually liked Syracuse, Georgetown, and Seton Hall as a kid. I kind of warmed up to UConn when I flirted with the idea of studying out of state.

Actually, I have more disdain for the ACC. I can't stand Duke or North Carolina. Good thing they are typically the pits in football. There were times I liked Georgia Tech and Wake Forest at bball, but other than that the ACC is overhyped in bball and a joke at football (the WAC, MWC, PAC-10....even the Big East have better quality teams). Adding FSU, Miami, and BC ended up making that conference worse at both football and basketball....LMAO

USC's loss to Oregon State doesn't look so bad now. Florida's loss to Mississippi at home is actually worse.

Still, that East Coast media and F'in BCS will find a way to screw USC. In '03 the BCS ranked OU #1 AFTER losing 35-7 in the Big-12 title game. That despite USC being #1 on BOTH human polls, the BCS kept USC from even playing the title game. The BCS screwed the PAC-10 TWICE this decade from playing in the title game just so they could appease the Big-12 CHUMP (not even conference champ in either case).

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Umm I'm sorry dude, but you've got it wayyyy twisted. USC is the overhyped team, if you haven't noticed ESPN playing them up as if they're the greatest team ever. They can't even win that garbage of a conference (The PAC-10), and no matter who they lose to, they will not drop out of the top 10. Remember when they lost to Stanford and people called it the greatest upset of all-time? They barely dropped out of the top 10 if that, while Michigan fell off the map when they lost to App State, who is in all honesty probably better than Stanford. And the Big 12 CHUMP? LMAO. More like the PAC-10 Chump. The Big 12 has 3 teams in the top 10 alone, and is making a case for the best conference over the SEC, so how the hell can you call them the CHUMP, while the PAC-10 is so weak that they don't even play a title game?And I'm sorry but USC's loss to Oregon State was as bad as the media made it out to be. Yeah Oregon State is about the win the PAC-10, but winning the PAC-10 is being the tallest midget: it just doesn't matter.

^^^ When I talk about the Big-12 chump, I'm referring to the two years that the the Chump (Nebraska and Oklahoma) played in the national title game despite not even playing the big-12 title game (Nebraska) or lost their big-12 game (Oklahoma got whipped and was still ranked #1 in the BCS). Those two chumps cheated Oregon and USC from playing in the title games.

BTW, conferences need 12 teams in order to hold a conference championship. The PAC-10 will not dilute quality of play just to make a few bucks *cough*ACC*cough*. If anything, conference championships often do as much bad for the conference as it does good because of the likelihood of upsets and messing up the bowl picture. It also tends to reward the 3rd best team in the conference over the CC runner-up for bowl choices. At least the PAC-10 everybody plays each other instead of dividing the conferences into divisions and protecting the top teams from playing each other.

The PAC-10 has more NCAA championships than ANY other conference. Our conference does pretty well in bowls, even on down years. USC actually wins BCS bowl games, unlike Chokelahoma or ObyeO St. Heck, we had one year earlier this decade where we had 3 teams finish in the TOP 7 and USC wasn't any of those three. The Big-12 screwed THREE PAC-10 teams from playing in either the BCS title match or a BCS bowl, so as far as I'm concerned the BIG-12 is the PAC-10's enemy. Other than Mack Brown's politicking, Texas is okay with me. I don't care about the rest of that conference that doesn't know how to play ANY defense.

ND didn't even get a first down until the very end of the thrid quarter. lol They are so sad. I am not an ND fan at all, but Charlie has got to go. If I were an ND alum and financial backer, I would be very vocal about firing him. I know, I know, he has six years or so left in his contact and buying him out would be very expensive but... how much longer can they allow this horrible play continue? And as I heard on tv last night, they play the 105th toughest schedule this year and can only muster a 6-6 season to date. With an easier schedule this year, this was supposed to be the season that would start their turn-around and would allow them to post a better record. I guess not.

Nice decision by Fat Charlie to can his offensive co-ordinator and take over the offense himself. He thought they had a few pushovers coming up and he would then claim to be working his "genius" on the program.