A new player ,will see this cool zandalari or human kul tiran race, wants to play it, buys the game, comes to the conclusion he can never play it unless spending a LOT of time to unlock it, how the hell can any allied race be of any positve way to pull in new players, be so disgustingly poorly implemented??

Don't you get a boosted character if you buy the game these days? So that's only the latest content and THEN the new race. I don't see the problem here.

"Is it true, the devils end up like you?
Something safe for the picture frame?"

A new player ,will see this cool zandalari or human kul tiran race, wants to play it, buys the game, comes to the conclusion he can never play it unless spending a LOT of time to unlock it, how the hell can any allied race be of any positve way to pull in new players, be so disgustingly poorly implemented??

Maybe the assumption is that players want to play the game, AKA if they pay for access, it's because they have no problem with going through the content...?

Wild thought on these forums to be sure, but I'm willing to bet that's the case. I say this as someone not at all impressed with the way they're unlocked, but then I'm also at a stage where I'm enjoying another game far more so I'm not the target demographic right now.

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Originally Posted by eduwneso

let's be fair, it's not like everyone leveled up the new races in other expansions, as it happens with allied races, the ones who want to level them up, do it, the ones who don't want to, pay. No time-gating will make people or stop them to pay a race change, and this is a fact. Comparing allied races with new races from other expansions and saying something like "this is just so people race change or buys a boost" it's not valid since it did happen before, it's happening now and it will keep happening. The difference would be the heritage armor, one can like it or not ofc, I like the velf heritage armor and didn't boost or race change him not only because of the money, but because I wanted that heritage armor.

I don't want to sound like a full time job whiteknight, but people need to get things right before they talk, are allied races a cash grab? of course they are, but at least it's not mandatory to pay for that race change or boost, the same as older races.

I paid to make my doggie DK a human, I was 2 lazy to level up one, it's the fault of blizzard? no it's mine because it's my money and my time and I chose how to spend it, not them, it's also not the fault of allied races, it's a nice system built on a world who punish people that don't want to invest X hours leveling them up, but being an mmo, it's really punishing you? or just working as intended? this last question is more personal for the player, and not something in blizzard's hands. unless they want to power up and extend the instant gratification to leveling up too, apart from itemization.

Amen.

So many MMO-C posters are clearly "over" the game, but just unable to move on. They take any and all designs as an affront and personal insult to children in the 3rd world + their own mother just so they can be outraged.

In the end, the game is designed around the idea that if you pay, you want to play. Simple.
Do they grab cash from players too impatient to level a new character? Sure, but then that player doesn't get rewarded with the Heritage armor. And in the end it's that player's decision to spend additional money or not.

Maybe the assumption is that players want to play the game, AKA if they pay for access, it's because they have no problem with going through the content...?

Wild thought on these forums to be sure, but I'm willing to bet that's the case. I say this as someone not at all impressed with the way they're unlocked, but then I'm also at a stage where I'm enjoying another game far more so I'm not the target demographic right now.

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Amen.

So many MMO-C posters are clearly "over" the game, but just unable to move on. They take any and all designs as an affront and personal insult to children in the 3rd world + their own mother just so they can be outraged.

In the end, the game is designed around the idea that if you pay, you want to play. Simple.
Do they grab cash from players too impatient to level a new character? Sure, but then that player doesn't get rewarded with the Heritage armor. And in the end it's that player's decision to spend additional money or not.

Yeah, the thing is, that you are not forced to race change or boost them, as you did before with the new races, it's exactly the same, the difference is that there are more now. And please, you don't need to "grind" to get them, even the most casual player, has them unlocked by now. Hell, I only played a lot the first 3 weeks of BFA, and cleared a lot of WQ the first 3 or 4 days, after that I just raid and I got everything to exalted, I connect, I do anything I want to do to get some Ilvl, maybe something fun with a friend, but mainly I only connect to raid with my guildies and we have tons of fun, and I'm ok with that, I have time for other games and my social life.

Now, that pushing back zandalari has something behind? yeah. Blizzard said that it was because of KT and it made sense, but I agree that they took into account the MAU's 2, yet that doesn't mean they did it entirely for the MAU's, it was a factor out of many others.

You wanted your zandalari at start? and bought the expansion for them? then I'm sorry it's your fault you "wasted your money" because they have said since beta of BFA I think that they wouldn't come out at launch, and anyone who has the time to come here at a fan forum and post something about "omg I paid since the start expecting to have them and I didn't, I paid only for them!" I'm sorry but I don't think you were really interested in them, you didn't even look for information about them in the forums, but you could connect to the forums to post your opinion?

Blizzard did bad pushing back zandalari even if it made sense, because they announced at the blizzcon of 2017 that they would be on launch and should have gone with it, but they did apologize and gave information with enough time that they wouldn't be avaliable at launch.

As Taliesin and Bellular said, please try to think more and criticize the right things at the right time, that's the best, for us players and the game.

EDIT: I know this has nothing to do with this thread, but if you pay for origin access (15€ here in EU a month) it has Anthem in it. I will chill and have fun with a couple of friends playing it, and since I don't think I will play it more than a month, 15€ since like a good price for a little of fun with some friends ^^

THey should just end this trash MMO... Wildstar, Marvel Heroes, Warhammer online all down...

I am still playing it, my guild are still playing it, and we're still having fun -- otherwise, we wouldn't still be playing it.
So no, they shouldn't just "end this trash MMO".

Why are you even here commenting on this MMO if you think it's so bad? Oh wait, it's because you're negative, depressing and like arguing. Your post history is just you throwing around insults and negativity. You don't have a single ounce of positivity in you.

THey should just end this trash MMO... Wildstar, Marvel Heroes, Warhammer online all down...

Or you could do the mature thing and move on...?

Last night doing a faction assault, the areas were packed with players. The game is made for them, not the likes of you to whom the game is clearly dead.

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I am still playing it, my guild are still playing it, and we're still having fun -- otherwise, we wouldn't still be playing it.
So no, they shouldn't just "end this trash MMO".

Why are you even here commenting on this MMO if you think it's so bad? Oh wait, it's because you're negative, depressing and like arguing. Your post history is just you throwing around insults and negativity. You don't have a single ounce of positivity in you.

Exactly.

The game is made for people who want to play it. That's what makes the crowd of negative Nancies so miffed, since in their world the game exists on the graces that it pleases THEM.

Its a MMO and not a survival shooter game with skins.
Anything instant access in WoWs past was a huge failure, why would you ever want something that never worked out well in any MMO?

This is just on the same silly level as hardware topics about WoW FPS problems vs Shooter FPS problems, yes lets compare static games with MMO architecture, some players should just stick to mobile games.