Daniele and I talk about what history is, the massive tangle of podcasters and public figures that all lead back to a certain Joe Rogan era of podcasting and how that launched my and Daniele’s and Duncan’s careers, how even the most interesting stories in history can still fall away, how history over-privileges war stories, how differences in consciousness affect how history is told, the problems with identity, how fascism feeds identity and vice versa, why disagreement isn’t valuable, and how our non-religious upbringings affected us.