Please note before reading this that this is my own opinion, and we might not share the same views.Yep, that's right!

Both have made some seriously bad attempts at joining the smartphone scene, but without any luck.Microsoft have made the software Windows 7 Phone, and Nokia have made a wide variety of touch-phones, where only some can download applications from a market called the Ovi market, which I without knowing, guess is pretty emtpy.

After what I've read this new smartphone should compete with Apple's iPhone, and Google's Android OS.That sounds successful doesn't it? Really? No?

They say they will split up the work so Microsoft will make the software, and Nokia will make the hardware (what else? ).

I only see two "small" issues with their plan. Firstly, Microsoft doesn't make very good software, compared to other companies. Secondly, Nokia doesn't make very good hardware compared to other companies in this field.

What do you think? I think this is probably the worst plan to dominate the smartphone market, ever!The only thing that would make me like this would be a freaking epic product that supports Flash and Java, and it's limited by the software.

Firstly, Microsoft doesn't make very good software, compared to other companies.

Well, a lot of their software is not very good, but you can't ignore that Windows (especially Windows 7 [for pc]) is one of the best os's on the market today, the only real limitation is the hardware you're using (unlike som other companies who censors and removes applications they don't want their customers to use).

Won't say anything about nokia since I haven't used their phones since the 3330 was a new phone.

But I do agree on the smartphones, I don't think this is a good thing to do and it will probably fail.

Please note before reading this that this is my own opinion, and we might not share the same views.

I share your views. Microsoft is a successful crap maker. Nokia should have gone on working on Meego with Intel AND should have provided J2SE For Embedded on its N900. Microsoft and Nokia will make some crapphones together Android would have been a better option than Windows Phone.

The problem with Microsoft is that they're trying to stick their Windows OS where it's not appropriate.

Its pretty clear that in future a ton of the computing devices and tasks done on the desktop will be portable and this is a serious threat to Microsoft's desktop dominance. They'll push very hard to get a strong foothold in the mobile market.

I've had a fair bit of experience with MS Access and Visual Basic for Applications. I seriously dislike Microsoft, for a number of reasons. But I will grant that the IDE for building forms and reports for database applications is stronger than, say, the NetBeans graphical interface. Visual Studio is also very well done. It's a mixed bag, really.

They're a lot more likely to enable C# than any sort of Java implementation, don't you think? Maybe it depends which of the dueling MS fiefdoms has been tasked.

I was riding home on BART the other day and over half the people were staring at various phones, and it seemed like half of those were playing games. It's a huge market, still growing. Huge opportunity lost if MS doesn't get going there, I would think.

If it doesn't work for you, but it works for everyone else, then it's obviously your own fault.

No it is not my fault, the same key works fine with Windows XP, Mac OS X and Linux. I'm not the only one in this case. Vista and 7 have a lot of bugs especially in their file system implementation even though 7 has less bad performances.

Well, that's not a lot of information, but I'd be willing to bet this is a faulty driver (perhaps in conjunction with multiple USB and/or plug-and-play devices creating a conflict). And issues like this are not really related to the kernel of a given OS.

I don't recall being a specialist in any of fear, uncertainty or doubt. I thought I usually gave people advice about what's definitely working usually...?So what's this vendor's broken kernel level driver got to do with the stability of Windows NT - I'm dying to know. Y'know, I bet it was those same shithead coders that wrote them that also made those ATI drivers that crash all my games on Ubuntu.

Well, this seems like the general trend. Cellphone manufacturers no longer make the OS, but rather get the OS from another company, after all these modern phones are almost like PC's so why wouldn't it evolve like the PC market? You don't see HP making their own OS, or Microsoft making their own computers. Soon you will be able to decide what OS you want on your phone when you buy it. This is true even today, as many manufacturers offer phones with different OS's.

Apple is unique in this aspect, and will probably continue to be so.

But I think Nokia is just following the trend. It's a correct decision for them to make, considering the situation they are in. But they shouldn't have locked themselves in with just one OS vendor, however, they probably got a sweet deal on Windows Phone 7 OS. In the short term it might save them, but in the long run it might hinder them.

Remember that the mobile market is not a single market - it's several. Apple has the gadget whore techophile gadget cornered with their beautiful and well-behaving devices, but their high price point will keep them there. Android is going for a wider audience, but I think there is still room for Windows devices to be marketed as the cheapest devices. Right now it's very expensive to get any smart phone - if they could pull it down to be closer to the price range of what non-smartphones are currently going for then they might be able to carve out part of the market.

Well, that's not a lot of information, but I'd be willing to bet this is a faulty driver (perhaps in conjunction with multiple USB and/or plug-and-play devices creating a conflict). And issues like this are not really related to the kernel of a given OS.

I'm sceptical as these keys were working even with XP. If you're right, they introduced a regression in their drivers for Vista and 7.

They say they will split up the work so Microsoft will make the software, and Nokia will make the hardware (what else? ).

I only see two "small" issues with their plan. Firstly, Microsoft doesn't make very good software, compared to other companies. Secondly, Nokia doesn't make very good hardware compared to other companies in this field.

I disagree with you. I personally loathe M$, but by all accounts, their new mobile OS (can't remember what they're calling it - W7?) is really good. I've read a few reviews and they were all positive. Nokia have a tonne of experience producing hardware. They ship more if it than anyone else and most of it is pretty solid. Their challenge is that they have targeted the low end of the market. They need to move up the complexity scale and that will be a challenge.

I think they will probably fail but that's because I think that iPhone and Android will be hard to compete with - they already have a large part of the market and represent two different segments of the market. That makes it hard for a newcomer to compete - they have to be significantly better in some way or find a niche that the two incumbents do not currently cover.

While I would like to deride M$ products, it appears the facts (rather than what our prejudices would like us to believe) are that they've done a reasonable job in this area. Still think they'll fail thou - for marketing, not technical reasons.

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