Earlier Page Design

Earlier page design was a lot better than the current state. Why we changed to this one. We are missing so much here. Specially the new visitors wont be able to get to the all the content that this Wiki has to offer.

Thanks for the feedback! The wiki maintainers team have agreed that there was too much content on the main page, so we removed much of the content for developpers. Could you please tell us what you are missing on this page? Is there some specific content you would like to see here? We will probably be able to add it in again. --Marko Knöbl 12:55, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I can figure out everything, but I feel The complete intro section was very useful "Introduction to Openmoko,Meet the original core team, Software Distributions New Framework Initiative License, Why Openmoko?" --Kunaldeo 17:18, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I added a link to Why Openmoko in the "New to Openmoko?" box. I think this is a useful page, thanks for pointing this out! Please note that most of the section "Introduction to Openmoko" and the link to "Software Distributions" are still present. On the mailing list some have said that the contents of "Meet the original core team" and "license" are too specific for content of the main page, and I agree with that. I can't say anything about "New Framework Initiative" as I'm not a developer. Probably someone else can check if a link to this page is useful? --Marko Knöbl 20:48, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Design notes

Please try to keep these elements in the top part of the screen (above the fold): Page title, motto, welcome statement, objective project definition, product picture, search box (not there yet !).

Please try to keep also on the page (not necessarily above the fold): links to other official information sources (trac, mailing lists, etc.), language chooser, more elaborated mission statement (historical overview), philosophical position, top level navigation within the wiki.

2007.2 link

In the software categories
The link to the 2007.2 distribution goes to a picture of the software stack. That is not very appealing. Maybe this link should point to a software description (as the link to ASU, FSO, Qtopia does).

Thanks for pointing this out! I changed the link. --Galadh 22:23, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Nav Bar on left

The Nav bar on the left is out of date, incorrect and has duplications.

Software is linked to a Developers page?
There are two community links/
There is a Press Coverage on the left and in the new part
What exactly is Technical, the whole site is technical.

There are many more items that make the nav bar on the left confusing, unproductive, incorrect and it needs to be fixed or wacked. Brenda seems to be attached to it or afraid to change it as this has come up before and all we got were lame excuses as to why it is like it is.

Please change it or remove it.

I've made a few suggestions to the sidebar on its talk page. I think this discussion is probably best kept there. --KB Jørgensen 19:11, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Translations

The continuous updating of pages result as an impossible-to-solve game to people who likes to localize wikie's pages.

Also, people visiting the site, may find outdated pages, thinking the project is dead or not so alive.

Please, consider to use a translation friendly wiki like anwiki (www.anwiki.com) used for build Ulteo's site (www.ulteo.com).

Alternatively, you can consider to find a way to comunicate to guests and translators if a page is outdated or not and put a link to the right english page.

Thank you and excuse my poor english: I can assure you I speak a more correct italian ;)
--panta 11:17, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I have added language Hindi in the template, but its not getting reflected here.
--Kunaldeo 08:39, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Love the new design!

Link to Jokes

I think the link to Jokes does not fit the box "New to Openmoko?". People who are new to this project won't get most of these jokes. May I delete this link? --Marko Knöbl 11:20, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I deem the link frontpage worthy because humor a good way to go deeply to the heart of things that can hardly be said otherwise (but not sidebar worthy of course it is not an essential navigation page). I added the link in that box because it belongs somewhere visible and I had no idea as to where else to put it, so any alternative placement suggestion should be considered. And it is true that even I don't get all the jokes, but newbies should get about half of them if they have the geek hacker subculture. What do you other guys think ? MinhHaDuong 14:57, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanation! If we really want this on the main page I'd rather put it into the "for Users" box under "Openmoko community". Would that be okay? --Marko Knöbl 13:02, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Boasting freedom

I think it would be a good idea to provide a link near the top where people can learn more about the 'freedom' that's boasted about. Many site visitors (including GNU/Linux users) will not be aware of the benefits and importance of what we mean by "freedom" for software users.

Descripts of "rebuild the house" and linking "open source" to a page about getting source code are ways to get programmers interested, but I think it would be very unlikely for a non-hacker visitor to openmoko.org to discover how giving source code to hackers helps them, and why software freedom affects their lives.

The no-work way to fix this would be to make the big word "free", or an eary mention of "freedom", a link to an existing explanation such as gnu.org's[1] or FSFE's.[2]

When someone has time, this could be replaced with a page on openmoko.org with a more specific explanation of how why freedom is essential for mobile phones and mobile computing, and what benefits this leads to. Ciaran 23:22, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

duel licensing

Any plans to duel license the wiki content under both CC-by-sa and GFDL?? Perhaps?????????? Wikademia

Earlier Page Design

Earlier page design was a lot better than the current state. Why we changed to this one. We are missing so much here. Specially the new visitors wont be able to get to the all the content that this Wiki has to offer.

Thanks for the feedback! The wiki maintainers team have agreed that there was too much content on the main page, so we removed much of the content for developpers. Could you please tell us what you are missing on this page? Is there some specific content you would like to see here? We will probably be able to add it in again. --Marko Knöbl 12:55, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I can figure out everything, but I feel The complete intro section was very useful "Introduction to Openmoko,Meet the original core team, Software Distributions New Framework Initiative License, Why Openmoko?" --Kunaldeo 17:18, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I added a link to Why Openmoko in the "New to Openmoko?" box. I think this is a useful page, thanks for pointing this out! Please note that most of the section "Introduction to Openmoko" and the link to "Software Distributions" are still present. On the mailing list some have said that the contents of "Meet the original core team" and "license" are too specific for content of the main page, and I agree with that. I can't say anything about "New Framework Initiative" as I'm not a developer. Probably someone else can check if a link to this page is useful? --Marko Knöbl 20:48, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Design notes

Please try to keep these elements in the top part of the screen (above the fold): Page title, motto, welcome statement, objective project definition, product picture, search box (not there yet !).

Please try to keep also on the page (not necessarily above the fold): links to other official information sources (trac, mailing lists, etc.), language chooser, more elaborated mission statement (historical overview), philosophical position, top level navigation within the wiki.

2007.2 link

In the software categories
The link to the 2007.2 distribution goes to a picture of the software stack. That is not very appealing. Maybe this link should point to a software description (as the link to ASU, FSO, Qtopia does).

Thanks for pointing this out! I changed the link. --Galadh 22:23, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Nav Bar on left

The Nav bar on the left is out of date, incorrect and has duplications.

Software is linked to a Developers page?
There are two community links/
There is a Press Coverage on the left and in the new part
What exactly is Technical, the whole site is technical.

There are many more items that make the nav bar on the left confusing, unproductive, incorrect and it needs to be fixed or wacked. Brenda seems to be attached to it or afraid to change it as this has come up before and all we got were lame excuses as to why it is like it is.

Please change it or remove it.

I've made a few suggestions to the sidebar on its talk page. I think this discussion is probably best kept there. --KB Jørgensen 19:11, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Translations

The continuous updating of pages result as an impossible-to-solve game to people who likes to localize wikie's pages.

Also, people visiting the site, may find outdated pages, thinking the project is dead or not so alive.

Please, consider to use a translation friendly wiki like anwiki (www.anwiki.com) used for build Ulteo's site (www.ulteo.com).

Alternatively, you can consider to find a way to comunicate to guests and translators if a page is outdated or not and put a link to the right english page.

Thank you and excuse my poor english: I can assure you I speak a more correct italian ;)
--panta 11:17, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

I have added language Hindi in the template, but its not getting reflected here.
--Kunaldeo 08:39, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Love the new design!

Link to Jokes

I think the link to Jokes does not fit the box "New to Openmoko?". People who are new to this project won't get most of these jokes. May I delete this link? --Marko Knöbl 11:20, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I deem the link frontpage worthy because humor a good way to go deeply to the heart of things that can hardly be said otherwise (but not sidebar worthy of course it is not an essential navigation page). I added the link in that box because it belongs somewhere visible and I had no idea as to where else to put it, so any alternative placement suggestion should be considered. And it is true that even I don't get all the jokes, but newbies should get about half of them if they have the geek hacker subculture. What do you other guys think ? MinhHaDuong 14:57, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your explanation! If we really want this on the main page I'd rather put it into the "for Users" box under "Openmoko community". Would that be okay? --Marko Knöbl 13:02, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Boasting freedom

I think it would be a good idea to provide a link near the top where people can learn more about the 'freedom' that's boasted about. Many site visitors (including GNU/Linux users) will not be aware of the benefits and importance of what we mean by "freedom" for software users.

Descripts of "rebuild the house" and linking "open source" to a page about getting source code are ways to get programmers interested, but I think it would be very unlikely for a non-hacker visitor to openmoko.org to discover how giving source code to hackers helps them, and why software freedom affects their lives.

The no-work way to fix this would be to make the big word "free", or an eary mention of "freedom", a link to an existing explanation such as gnu.org's[1] or FSFE's.[2]

When someone has time, this could be replaced with a page on openmoko.org with a more specific explanation of how why freedom is essential for mobile phones and mobile computing, and what benefits this leads to. Ciaran 23:22, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

duel licensing

Any plans to duel license the wiki content under both CC-by-sa and GFDL?? Perhaps?????????? Wikademia