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J.P. Peterson Annoyed With Joe

Call Joe a masochist, but Joe got a great laugh out of the prolonged on-air beating he took yesterday afternoon from radio host J.P. Peterson on WQYK-AM 1010.

Joe’s used to getting slapped around in the comments section here, but this clubbing was special.

Peterson said, “I take offense” to the way JoeBucsFan.com blasted Jeff Faine for his disinterest in attending Josh Freeman’s ongoing team training sessions in Tampa. Joe had called Faine a lousy captain after Faine said on air Tuesday night that he passed on joining his teammates.

Jeff Faine: I was actually invited. I guess they wanted me to come snap the ball a little bit and block air. But I decided my time was best served in the weight room than making sure that our snaps were still good. They’re definitely putting in some work. These guys are out there throwing the ball. It’s good. It’s great for our young receivers and our young franchise quarterback to be able to get together and throw the ball around the yard a little bit and spend a little time together. They’ll hopefully be able to basically supplement what we’d normally be doing. But of course it definitely isn’t replacing the amount of work we’d normally be putting in, and that’s something that’s definitely going to be missed this upcoming season.

J.P. Peterson: Pretty good participation level?

Faine: “From what I’ve been told from Josh, I checked in with him earlier today actually, great turnout. These guys were lifting, doing a little running and doing some routes and what not. So it’s been good.”

Peterson said Faine doesn’t miss OTA days, wants to play football, and the wrath of Joe and fans should be at the NFL for locking out players, not at a center who is passing on a rather meaningless May workout.

Peterson cited Faine’s multimillion dollar businesses and said Faine “has got better things to do,” noting that Faine is on a rigorous workout program to prepare for the 2011 season and has lots of responsibilities as an entrepreneur, like other players have with family and off-field commitments.

Peterson fielded calls and texts from listeners who sided with Joe, and Peterson said he believes some of the anger at Faine is misguided jealousy because Faine is a highly paid player and makes a pile of cash in the private sector.

Frankly, Joe couldn’t care less what Faine does off the field. Joe’s a capitalist, too, and admires Faine’s business acumen.

For Joe, this comes down to Faine accepting a captain’s role with the Bucs. Either you’re captain and fully devoted to the team, or you’re not. In Joe’s eyes, Faine has used terrible judgement — and shown poor leadership sense — with his public comments about Freeman’s workouts and by passing on attending.

Then, Faine all but says this week that his presence at these workouts is meaningless. For Joe, that’s not captain-speak, and it shouldn’t be accurate, given the veteran wisdom Faine should be able to impart.

This is a unique offseason. That can’t be argued. Is Faine meeting his leadership duties as captain during these wacky, lockout times? No. And Joe will defend his honor and try to convince Peterson during a brief on-air, steel cage match today at 3:45 p.m.

Why hasn’t anyone pointed out that in Faine’s first response, he says his time is better served in the weight room. He implies that all he would be doing is snapping the ball and blocking air. However, in his next response he says that they have been lifting during the workouts. Is that not done in the weight room? Is it really that cumbersome to lift weights with the guys that voted him Captain?

I dont have a problem with vets feeling that way – the ones that can get away with missing OTAs / camp etc. (strahan, favre, there are plenty) usually do. My issues are: why be so public/ vocal about it? No good can come out of it so keep that much to yourself.

But like I said, honestly, Faine really does have better things to do.

There is no defense of what Faine has said so far as a Captain…. ProFootballTalk even said the same thing…. Freeman is the leader of this team and Faine can sit his entrepreneur a$$ down on the bench while hungry players like Zuttah come in and take the job seriously!!!!

I don’t agree with Joes’ position on Rodger G., but he is dead-on concerning Faine. A captain has certain responsibilities and if he accepted those he needs to fullfill them. What a huge dissappointment.

And in terms of JP….I know there was a reason I never listened to him before now I certainly won’t in the future. What a sellout.

Don’t worry Fine won’t last the whole season anyway. His tenure is almost up anyway, screw him. Joe I may not agree with you on Ruud but dammit you stand by your work and that’s integrity. Give him help…

It’s a very interesting debate. JP is a smart guy and I enjoy listening to him when Duemig goes off on a tangent. I don’t think for a minute JP is worried about upsetting Faine. The comments weren’t exactly outrageous. But Joe’s point is very well taken and of course PFT took it way out of bounds. The media has changed an awful lot over the past few years. Don’t know if it’s for the better, but it’s certainly interesting.

Agreeing isnt the reason we gather here. But respecting each other when we disagree is why we remain here. I’ve had my opinion changed several times, and frequently softened, by listening to my peers here. And that’s always cool! But even when I feel totally opposite of some of them, I’ve come to give them credence, and reassess my own opinion. Wished I’d learned that sooner in life!! But that’s respect earned when you realize how passionate everyone is about football. Ya just gotta respect that!

I haven’t always agreed with Joe, although I do more often than not. But he is true in his opinions, and also seems motivated solely by his passion for the game. That is integrity! He is dead on about this issue. Faine is failing his responsibilities as Captain – by not being the good example. In fact, he is exactly the opposite of the example you want for a very young team.

Mr. Faine, you are a weak link. Time to go. And take J.”missing link” P. With you. good luck selling ugly clothes. That rarely results in the million dollar career you don’t have time for.

On topic, I’m going to say I do agree that Faine shoudl be a better captain. No, I do not think he should be released for not participating, but when I think about Brooks, Barber, Lynch, Sapp, Nickerson…a slew of our old captains and leaders…I don’t think one of them would NOT show at these practices nearly every day.

| do agree Faine is setting a bad example for being a captain. Personally, I’m not certain he even wants to be here at this point.

As to Peterson:

Peterson said Faine doesn’t miss OTA days…

No…not the manditory practices…but Faine makes a habit of missing the voluntary workouts and camps.

I like Faine as a player, and I think he’s better at center than Zuttah…when he’s healthy. It’s not like he’s the first player to feel this way about voluntary practices…but he should be there as a captain. If nothing else, he could help Zuttah become better as his heir aparent.

It’s May and he’s not a skill position. There is nothing wrong with him just concentrating in the weight room with his trainer and just gaining strength 4-5 months before a season if it happens. NFL Players have no job security and can be cut without notice, nothing wrong with him being an Entrepreneur in Orlando while staying in shape. Some people lack perspective, throwing the ball around in May won’t give any team a competitive advantage

Not bad Joe. Felt compelled to comment. I’d give you a slight edge in the debate with JP. Glad you said you everbody want Faine to be there because his influence is valuable. That’s not debatable and I don’t hink JP could come back on that.

Let Joe be perfectly clear: Joe has zero ax to grind with JP. Joe’s known JP for years, long before this site was ever launched. JP is a solid pro and a cool guy. Hell, the two of us swilled some adult beverages at a Lighting playoff game recently.

In fact, JP was the first local sports radio host to put Joe on the air. Joe respects the hell out of JP. We just disagree with this issue, nothing more than that.

Some people lack perspective, throwing the ball around in May won’t give any team a competitive advantage

This is obviously from someone who has never coached. May and June are when you get ready for the season. This is the time that a Center and Quarterback work on footwork and timing. Yes there is timing with a center and quarterback. That is what makes Jeff Saturday and Payton Manning so good. Faine only has time for the things in the community that he is required by contract to do. Other than that he is working on his resturant or clothing lines not his craft. He has dropped in ability since he left New Orleans. Now we know why they didn’t put up much of a fight for him.

Joe is right, Jeff Faine has his outside businesses which occupy his time and he freely admits it.

Usually when someone is voted to a position of leadership they are expected to have additional responsibilities which require more time and effort to help the cause of those they are leading. Faine apparently believes being a CAPTAIN means he can spend more time working on his own self-interests while calling out the owners and whining about player benefits. THAT IS NOT A LEADER.

To any Bucs players who read this site please do not vote for Faine in 2011. I remember hearing that Faine was more interested in keep his weight down so he could have a bodybuilder’s physique than maximizing his football ability when he was with the Browns which along with his injury prone status (which hasn’t gone away) led them to give up on him only a few years after they spent a 1st round pick on the guy. Personally I’m not in favor of electing Narcissists as team captains, but that’s me.

Joe, sorry I missed the 3:45 deal. Can you post it later or link it. Dude, you rock, and we totally got your back bro. How much you wanna bet that Rah/Dom/Glaz see this thing the same we you and your legions see it. JP is lining up on the wrong side of the ball with his buddy Jeff. It would be one thing if we were a bunch of dumb inbred NASCAR hillbillies, with more money than sense, but you followers are pretty sharp and in the know.

Did anybody see what that dumbass Drew Brees said today? PFT posted it. He says it’s 50% – 50% as always and no less. No negotiations, that’s it. He said the owners are capitalizing on Upshaw’s death. The NFL players need a new leader and Brees is the wrong man for the job. For some strange reason I think it should be 50-50 after expenses, but that just doesn’t make sense in the world these guys live in, DeSmith, Brady & Brees. I guess making $90 Mil instead of $100 Mil just will not cut it. I feel so sorry for these guys. It is just so unfair what the Owners are trying to do. How can anybody survive making $10+ Mill per year. Now I know where AB was coming from. Brees may have to start shopping at Walmart and eating Mickey D’s. Bummer.

I find JP to be the top talk radio talent in Tampa. I couldn’t agree with him more on his position here.

As Joe has stated, the main reason that Faine isnt participating is the Union prefers that players not practice because it slightly lessens the overall legaue urgency to get a deal done. When you accept a job as Union head, you are signing up to protect the leagues interest.

One flaw in this argument by Faine: there is no Union they decertified which maintaining this position after decertification supports the owners contention that the decertification was a SHAM (legally significant) to side-step the lockout (see the players want to keep working at the team facilities while negotiations continue because the teams will have to pay the workout money/bonuses). The owners don’t want to pay a dime to anyone without a better deal with the players.

CApt Tim, I have grown to respect you but your statement that the owners have nothing to gain by this lockout b/c of their favorable lease and low salary overhead is wrong. The owners are fighting to shift 1 BILLION dollars of prior CBA player designated money back to the owners. 1/32nd of that 1 billion would go to the Glazers – ANNUALLY. If my math is correct – that is an extra 31.25 million in revenue sharing money to the Glazers each year, assume that there is a 10 year labor agreement – that is 312.5 million to each individual owner that they wouldnt otherwise see over a 10 year period. Double that for thirty years. THere is a lot in this for the Glazers buddy.

I thought that was what you meant by constantly calling him “Union-First” Jeff Faine etc in these Buc practice articles. I also vaguely recalled an article where you referenced this being a reason that FAine wasn’t a huge fan of these player arranged practices. If I am wrong I apologize.

Joe has to defend Faine a little bit here to be fair. You had mentioned that Faine was “injury prone.” That may be but to faine’s credit, prior to 2009, Faine rarely missed a start. He almost always answered the ball.

The past two seasons haven’t been the case. Throw in the fact that he is 30, and, well, that’s a troubling pattern for a center.

JP is no where near the best. He never says anything negative about anyone the brief times I’ve listened to him. He is dead wrong on this issue. What kind of captain doesn’t join his teammates to offer some type of leadership. I could careless what his other interests are. His priority should be with his team. This is terrible selfish act and sets the wrong example for his younger teammates. As far as I’m concerned Faine can drive himself, his other business interests, and Thomas and get the hell out of my town. Go play and root for someone else.. We don’t need either of you.

@ Thomas… If your union rep argument is true, then the NFLPA must be heated at Drew Brees, who’s name is part of the lawsuit against the NFL. He organized his team’s workouts and has made it very public. I could be wrong, but I thought I saw D. Smith at one team’s workouts the other day on NFL network.

Joe- I’ll once again lift my Thomas inspired moratorium on commenting to proclaim my solidarity with you. There is NO DOUBT Captain Faine’s poo-pooing of #5’s attempts to keep this team together in the face of this horrid lockout is at the very least a small but symbolically significant betrayal of the tight “us young lowly players against the world” team ethos Raheem and the young but hungry and talented players on this team have been trying to foster. ANYONE in their right mind can’t help but wonder if Faine’s most primary concern lies elsewhere than in than furtherance of this teams progress on the field.

Bottom line is I don’t want I guy who is more concerned with his other business interests being the starting center for my team. When you have an active playing career football should be your all consuming first priority or your not trying to win a Super Bowl. If Faine can’t put his little clothing boutique on the back burner until he’s done trying to win a championship then I don’t want him snapping the ball to my QB who CLEARLY has his main priority as being the best football player he can be. At this point natural talent means less to me than the hunger. I’m guessing one of the Larsen\Zuttah duo has quite a bit more hunger to be great right now than fashionista Faine and one of those two is my vote for starting center of 2011.

JP is the #1 radio talent in Tampa, hands down, his show makes everything else look like amateur hour…that said.. I’m with Joe on this one. Faine is a team leader, or at least should be so it wouldn’t hurt too much to show up and get together with the guys if for no other reason, to get the pulse, face to face of all of the guys that he reps as the player rep for the team. I would be taking it easy if I was any of these guys though. I feel for them because the ones that get injured, and there will be injuries if any meaningful practice occurs will be royally screwed unless you are a Josh Freeman. Hurt on your own time = cut, hurt on team time = paycheck

I like the argument that Faines philosophy is all wrong. It’s a waste of time, not going to help, or not going to work when talking about the bucs. But mention the saints and Faine seems to change his tune. That alone makes for a poor captin. He makes it seem he doesn’t care as much about his team As he does for a division rival. Regardless of work stoppage, labor talks, weight lifting, or anything else, this type of thinking is worrisome from a team captin.

Gitarlvr- we miss your post! You should the ban. Thomas 2.2″ isn’t that bad. Jhe just plays devil’s advocate on every issue. He’s consistent, and you know what to expect. I wouldn’t really want him to leave either, would you? I sure had fun ripping him and Eric after our 10-6 season. And at least Thomas stayed and took his beating( although he did bring a B.S. Bushel with him to explain how this calamity occurred, lol)

So don’t let him end up running you off. That would make him
To happy- and we don’t want that!

But the Glazers where thriving under the previous agreement, and had no reason to damage fan loyality, in order to take money from the players.

This llockout is being forced by the Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyders of the world. They have grossly overpaid bad players. Repeatedly!! They owe huge Debts that are beyond their means. So naturally- they use the economy as a reason to yank money from the players.

The Glazers were fine the way they were. They were managing their money fine. What they didn’t want was to risk losing fans- which is exactly what the “golden goose” killing owners are risking

May 26th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
Joe is right, Jeff Faine has his outside businesses which occupy his time and he freely admits it.

Usually when someone is voted to a position of leadership they are expected to have additional responsibilities which require more time and effort to help the cause of those they are leading. Faine apparently believes being a CAPTAIN means he can spend more time working on his own self-interests while calling out the owners and whining about player benefits. THAT IS NOT A LEADER.

To any Bucs players who read this site please do not vote for Faine in 2011. I remember hearing that Faine was more interested in keep his weight down so he could have a bodybuilder’s physique than maximizing his football ability when he was with the Browns which along with his injury prone status (which hasn’t gone away) led them to give up on him only a few years after they spent a 1st round pick on the guy. Personally I’m not in favor of electing Narcissists as team captains, but that’s me.

Hold up now…I never heard those tales so I don’t know the whole story, but if you are putting the guy down for wanting to stay in shape, that’s just wrong. Aside from his strength helping him ingame, his conditioning is intended to keep him from suffering after he leaves the NFL…which if only a few years away now.

May 27th, 2011 at 2:32 am
I like the argument that Faines philosophy is all wrong. It’s a waste of time, not going to help, or not going to work when talking about the bucs. But mention the saints and Faine seems to change his tune. That alone makes for a poor captin. He makes it seem he doesn’t care as much about his team As he does for a division rival.

He did play for the Saints.

I don’t know if it’s natural for him to take an interest in them, to speak highly of them because of his relationships he must still have with some of them, or if it’s a bad thing for us.

Maybe he’s wishing he could go back. There are a couple players one that team I would want in trade for him, lol.

So, I guess if we get a good player in return, Dominick should be talking trades. Otherwise, I don’t hold him talking good about the Aint’s a big deal.

Frankly, what if Ronde had talked highly of the Giants when Tiki was there? (and he probably did)

It’s not a big deal in the overall scheme of things. However, in regard to the lockout, the CBA and his general attitude because of those things…I think he has issues.

I agree and do not think Faine will be on the Bucs’ roster this season. I’d rather see them give Faine’s money to Barrett Ruud and I’m not his biggest fan either. There are some good players on the team that could use a bump in salary. Blount, Williams and Williams come to mind.