topic Re: Presidential Impeachment Inquiry in General Chathttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1680695#M266754
<P>One of the big problems is most white, middle class, middle age and above LOVE Donald Trump and will hear nothing said against him. &nbsp;There is also the huge issue with Black Lives Matter and White Lives Matter, the latter being primarily White Supremisist groups like KKK. &nbsp;As Mr T is soooo decisive, my personal opinion is some serious unrest will occur before too much longer that will be racially motivated. &nbsp;Things are not all they seem under the star spangled banner...</P>Wed, 16 Oct 2019 20:39:11 GMTadrianscotter2019-10-16T20:39:11ZPresidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1679688#M266585
<P>The big story in the US at the moment is the Impeachment Inquiry being conducted by the House of Representatives into whether President Trump should be impeached.</P>
<P>No president has ever been impeached whilst in office.</P>
<P>The inquiry centers on Trump's attempts to use his office to get the President of Ukraine to investigate business dealings of the son of one of Trump's opponents in the 2020 election. It is stated Trump threatened to withhold military support if Ukraine didn't 'dish the dirt'.</P>
<P>It's going to be an interesting week ahead.</P>
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<P>&nbsp;</P>Sun, 13 Oct 2019 21:33:48 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1679688#M266585artmo2019-10-13T21:33:48ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1679696#M266586
<P><SPAN>I am pretty sure Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon were both impeached while in office? </SPAN></P>
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<P>The Democrats wont bring it for a vote in the House for obvious reason. Accuse the other side of that which you are guilty springs to mind. It just smacks of desperation to me. I think they must realise that they are going to lose in 2020. At least that is the way I read it.</P>
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<P>Trump is doing his best though to cause headaches for his campaign for reelection with the ridiculous tariffs and leaving the Kurds to be slaughtered by Turkey in Syria. Even with the big mistakes he is making the Democrats are just a complete mess and have shifted so far left that they are unelectable.&nbsp;There was one person who might have stood a chance against Trump but they didn't want anything to do with them.</P>
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<P>To impeach someone you need to have a valid reason other than simply disliking them and that is the big problem for Democrats and why they are not following the standard procedures because it is a red herring and they have no valid cause. They are desperately hoping some mud will stick.</P>
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<P>My prediction is this will just be like Russia gate and all the others that have occurred before. After trying to Impeach they will move onto the next thing and will be out of office for another four years possibly eight or twelve.</P>Sun, 13 Oct 2019 22:44:58 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1679696#M266586john100012019-10-13T22:44:58ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1679699#M266587
<P>Nixon resigned before he could be, the two that were whilst in office were Clinton of course and one I had to look up, which was an Andrew Johnson in 1868.</P>
<P>Isn't Wiki wonderful... assuming it's not been hacked by the Chinese.&nbsp;<img class="lia-deferred-image lia-image-emoji" src="https://community.plus.net/html/images/emoticons/rolleyes.gif" alt="Roll_eyes" title="Roll_eyes" /></P>Sun, 13 Oct 2019 23:09:44 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1679699#M266587Minivanman2019-10-13T23:09:44ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1679705#M266588
<P>Yes, correction, Johnson was impeached but Clinton was tried by the Senate and acquitted by 55 votes to 45. He went on to complete his full term of office.</P>
<P><A href="https://www.businessinsider.com/nixon-clinton-johnson-impeachment-timelines-history-2019-9#on-december-19-1998-the-house-impeached-clinton-for-two-of-the-articles-perjury-and-obstructing-justice-the-votes-were-228-206-and-221-212-also-largely-along-party-lines-17" target="_blank">https://www.businessinsider.com/nixon-clinton-johnson-impeachment-timelines-history-2019-9#on-december-19-1998-the-house-impeached-clinton-for-two-of-the-articles-perjury-and-obstructing-justice-the-votes-were-228-206-and-221-212-also-largely-along-party-lines-17</A></P>
<P>.</P>Mon, 14 Oct 2019 01:07:49 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1679705#M266588artmo2019-10-14T01:07:49ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1679719#M266589
<P>Not to labour the point because American politics does not interest me that much, but Clinton was impeached by the House of Representatives but was cleared by the Senate because they could not get that two thirds majority.&nbsp;</P>
<P>Regardless of crooks, liars and tweets the top job is as safe as houses, well white ones anyway.&nbsp;<img class="lia-deferred-image lia-image-emoji" src="https://community.plus.net/html/images/emoticons/wink.gif" alt="Wink" title="Wink" /></P>Mon, 14 Oct 2019 08:12:33 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1679719#M266589Minivanman2019-10-14T08:12:33ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1679732#M266591
<P>No US president has ever been forced out of office by being impeached.&nbsp;</P>
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<P>Given the mess the 'Democrats' are in they couldn't even impeach Trump for selling weapons to Russia.&nbsp; They remind me of the Labour party and LibDums in UK, both in a huge mess and basically un - electable,&nbsp; and the Lib Dems have shown themselves to be totally deficient in the 'democratic' department but very liberal with their fairy dust promises.&nbsp;</P>Mon, 14 Oct 2019 09:02:04 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1679732#M266591wotsup2019-10-14T09:02:04ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1679797#M266602
<P>Only one way to get rid of Trump, take him on a guided tour of Dallas.&nbsp;</P>
<P>Ouch, I know.&nbsp;<img class="lia-deferred-image lia-image-emoji" src="https://community.plus.net/html/images/emoticons/rolleyes.gif" alt="Roll_eyes" title="Roll_eyes" /></P>Mon, 14 Oct 2019 11:42:39 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1679797#M266602Minivanman2019-10-14T11:42:39ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1680139#M266624
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<P>Only one way to get rid of Trump, take him on a guided tour of Dallas.&nbsp;</P>
<P>Ouch, I know.&nbsp;<img class="lia-deferred-image lia-image-emoji" src="https://community.plus.net/html/images/emoticons/rolleyes.gif" alt="Roll_eyes" title="Roll_eyes" /></P>
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<P>Surely not!&nbsp; The Texans and the Floridian both love the guy because he supports the 2nd Amendment and has said he won't change it.&nbsp; I pity the government that tries to remove their access to firearms as ours did.&nbsp; Civil unrest wouldn't even begin to cover it.&nbsp; I have friends in Florida and in Texas that have openly said this 'they will need to pry my firearms from my cold, dead hands before I give them up'.&nbsp; Incidentally, one of those is an active female cop in Florida.</P>Tue, 15 Oct 2019 11:19:32 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1680139#M266624adrianscotter2019-10-15T11:19:32ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1680156#M266628
<P>Strange part of the constituation that because from what I understand it was placed there in order to make it easy to raise a militia at short notice?</P>
<P>No big on American history (or much else <img class="lia-deferred-image lia-image-emoji" src="https://community.plus.net/html/images/emoticons/wink.gif" alt="Wink" title="Wink" />) so stand to be corrected on that.&nbsp;</P>Tue, 15 Oct 2019 12:01:39 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1680156#M266628Minivanman2019-10-15T12:01:39ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1680169#M266632
<P>Not only that but a 'well regulated' militia.&nbsp; Hah!, Most of the people I know couldn't organise a boozy session at the local bar if you catch my drift <img class="lia-deferred-image lia-image-emoji" src="https://community.plus.net/html/images/emoticons/smiley.gif" alt="Smiley" title="Smiley" /></P>Tue, 15 Oct 2019 12:47:21 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1680169#M266632adrianscotter2019-10-15T12:47:21ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1680226#M266645
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<P>Surely not!&nbsp; The Texans and the Floridian both love the guy because he supports the 2nd Amendment and has said he won't change it.&nbsp; I pity the government that tries to remove their access to firearms as ours did.&nbsp; Civil unrest wouldn't even begin to cover it.&nbsp; I have friends in Florida and in Texas that have openly said this 'they will need to pry my firearms from my cold, dead hands before I give them up'.&nbsp; Incidentally, one of those is an active female cop in Florida.</P>
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<P>I know what you mean. I play tennis with a surgeon from a large Florida Hospital. He carries a gun which he leaves in the locker room when he changes into his hospital scrubs.</P>Tue, 15 Oct 2019 14:01:12 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1680226#M266645artmo2019-10-15T14:01:12ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1680231#M266647
<P><img class="lia-deferred-image lia-image-emoji" src="https://community.plus.net/html/images/emoticons/rolleyes.gif" alt="Roll_eyes" title="Roll_eyes" /></P>Tue, 15 Oct 2019 14:14:35 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1680231#M266647Minivanman2019-10-15T14:14:35ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1680496#M266707
<P>The Democrats held another debate last night. Very lack lustre due to there being 12 candidates on stage and poor moderating. Many of the 12 would not be known in their own kitchens. Little came from the debate and this will be the case until the number of candidates is reduced to a more manageable number.</P>
<P>The front runners of the night were Elizabeth Warren, Jo Biden and Bernie Sanders.</P>
<P>.</P>Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:06:20 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1680496#M266707artmo2019-10-16T11:06:20ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1680552#M266714
<P>I have to wonder about the Democrat party in the US, I really don't know what they want to achieve, pretty much like our own labour party.&nbsp; Neither of them are prepared to commit to anything until they know which way things are going, neither of them seem to believe in their own thing.&nbsp; A sad, sad state of affairs for both countries.</P>Wed, 16 Oct 2019 13:40:31 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1680552#M266714adrianscotter2019-10-16T13:40:31ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1680605#M266731
<P>Last night's debate exposed a number of serious differences in policy between the candidates. I think this will be better once some of the candidates are eliminated. The November debate could be interesting.</P>
<P>At the moment they are competing amongst themselves but they need to sort things out and start challenging Trump.</P>
<P>.</P>Wed, 16 Oct 2019 16:12:53 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1680605#M266731artmo2019-10-16T16:12:53ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1680695#M266754
<P>One of the big problems is most white, middle class, middle age and above LOVE Donald Trump and will hear nothing said against him. &nbsp;There is also the huge issue with Black Lives Matter and White Lives Matter, the latter being primarily White Supremisist groups like KKK. &nbsp;As Mr T is soooo decisive, my personal opinion is some serious unrest will occur before too much longer that will be racially motivated. &nbsp;Things are not all they seem under the star spangled banner...</P>Wed, 16 Oct 2019 20:39:11 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1680695#M266754adrianscotter2019-10-16T20:39:11ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1680726#M266762
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="4626"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR />
<P>The front runners of the night were Elizabeth Warren, Jo Biden and Bernie Sanders..</P>
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<P>Elizabeth Warren won't say whether she'll increase taxes.</P>
<P>Jo Biden says he didn't do anything wrong in the Ukraine.</P>
<P>Bernie Saunders says he is in good health despite having a heart attack very recently.</P>
<P>Is there no Emily Maitlis equivalent in the US who can tell the candidates what they stand for?</P>Thu, 17 Oct 2019 00:00:26 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1680726#M266762Jonpe2019-10-17T00:00:26ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1680731#M266765
<P>In post #13 I did mention poor moderation.</P>
<P>Elizabeth Warren stated she would take 2 cents in the dollar from the top earners.</P>
<P>What did Biden do wrong in Ukraine?</P>
<P>Saunders looked and performed well in the debate but it is unlikely his heart attack will not influence voters. He is also too far to the left for most democrats.</P>
<P>.</P>Thu, 17 Oct 2019 01:06:57 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1680731#M266765artmo2019-10-17T01:06:57ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1681053#M266840
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="4626"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR />
<P>What did Biden do wrong in Ukraine?</P>
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<P>Trump's 'friends' are still trying to find something I think.</P>Fri, 18 Oct 2019 00:54:00 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1681053#M266840Jonpe2019-10-18T00:54:00ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1695610#M269822
<P>The US House of Representatives has voted to impeach Trump. He will be only the third president to be impeached whilst in office.</P>
<P>This is, however, as far as it will go. The Senate has to vote on it and they will not vote to impeach. The Senate is controlled by the GOP and in an election year the senators will not want to rock any boats.</P>
<P>.</P>Thu, 19 Dec 2019 08:30:45 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1695610#M269822artmo2019-12-19T08:30:45ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1695627#M269825
<P>From what I understand they don't have the numbers to carry this through.</P>
<P>He'll get his wrist slapped and still gain a second term. Just wait and see.</P>
<P>&nbsp;&nbsp;</P>Thu, 19 Dec 2019 10:56:49 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1695627#M269825Minivanman2019-12-19T10:56:49ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1695635#M269828
<P>Its a proper pyrrhic victory for the stupid democrats,&nbsp; seems that it is not only in UK that the left has gone</P>
<P>stark raving bonkers.&nbsp; It will not get through republican controlled senate and all it has done is harden the</P>
<P>attitude amongst Trump supporters that the democrats are a sore loser bunch and have too much of a sense of</P>
<P>entitlement that they should be in the white house..&nbsp; The Democrats are actually doing the same as the remainers</P>
<P>did in UK - trying to overturn the vote of 2016 because they did not like the result,&nbsp; and look how that turned out</P>
<P>the voters turned on the remainers and the USA electorate will turn on the anti-democratic Democrats...</P>
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<P>They have shot themselves in both feet with a .45 Magnum and virtually ensured that Trump will get back in,</P>
<P>just like our own Trump did.. Voters love leaders with an actual personality ....</P>Thu, 19 Dec 2019 11:47:48 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1695635#M269828wotsup2019-12-19T11:47:48ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1695660#M269835
<P>Trump's public rating has actually increased this week. This is what happened to Clinton's rating after his impeachment attempt.</P>
<P>The Democrats really need to resolve who will be their candidate in 2020 and they need to do it fast if they stand any chance of success. They have an uphill struggle.</P>
<P>.</P>Thu, 19 Dec 2019 14:12:24 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1695660#M269835artmo2019-12-19T14:12:24ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1695692#M269837
<P>Whether real or imagined many are led to believe that world is in far more danger than it really is, either because of social or political upheaval such as Brexit on the home front, or global warming internationally causing some sort of&nbsp; collective hysteria.</P>
<P>Groupthink? That was the Orwellian sounding term coined back in the 70s by an American <SPAN>psychologist&nbsp;I think it was and serves to get guys like Trump into the white house and Boris into number ten as we search for some sort of certainty and stability.</SPAN></P>
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<P><SPAN>Not a good way to select and elect a leader of nations as once these populist are in power they can be hard to get out - especially when they start changing the rules or more insidiously, peoples opinions which is why we must also defend democracy even if we do not agree with the result, and multi party participation even when likes Corbyn, Boris, Farage and that little Munchkin north of the border drive us to distraction.&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>As for Trump, 'should we be bovvered'.&nbsp;</SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN>Well yes, no... or maybe.&nbsp;&nbsp;<span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":smiling_face_with_smiling_eyes:">😊</span></SPAN></P>
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<P>&nbsp;</P>Thu, 19 Dec 2019 16:40:14 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1695692#M269837Minivanman2019-12-19T16:40:14ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1695700#M269843
<P>The truth is out there.&nbsp;<span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":slightly_smiling_face:">🙂</span></P>
<P><A href="https://politics.theonion.com/poll-finds-54-of-americans-approve-executing-trump-but-1840514848?utm_source=TheOnion_Daily_RSS&amp;utm_medium=email" target="_blank">https://politics.theonion.com/poll-finds-54-of-americans-approve-executing-trump-but-1840514848?utm_source=TheOnion_Daily_RSS&amp;utm_medium=email</A></P>Thu, 19 Dec 2019 17:26:50 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1695700#M269843Minivanman2019-12-19T17:26:50ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1695774#M269861
<P>Quite likely Trump will get in for a second term.....the only question is......</P>
<P>Will that be good or bad news for the UK ?</P>Fri, 20 Dec 2019 08:44:46 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1695774#M269861gleneagles2019-12-20T08:44:46ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1696000#M269908
<P><A href="https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/12/the-real-impeachment-scandal/" target="_blank">https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/12/the-real-impeachment-scandal/</A></P>
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<P>What a bitter and vicious woman Pelosi is,&nbsp; but with her actions she has more or less guaranteed Trump a second term, the democrats in USA are in the same mess as Labour and Libdums in UK,&nbsp; so consumed with hatred that 'they lost' in 2016 that they cannot see the wood for the trees.</P>Sat, 21 Dec 2019 11:31:52 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1696000#M269908wotsup2019-12-21T11:31:52ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1696074#M269923
<P><A href="https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/12/19/this-is-an-abuse-of-the-power-of-impeachment/" target="_blank">https://www.spiked-online.com/2019/12/19/this-is-an-abuse-of-the-power-of-impeachment/</A></P>
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<P>Just about sums up the petty democrats,&nbsp; just like our remainers they never thought they should respect 2016 vote..&nbsp;</P>Sat, 21 Dec 2019 19:58:22 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1696074#M269923wotsup2019-12-21T19:58:22ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1706798#M272554
<P><A href="https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2020/02/of-course-president-trump-was-acquitted/" target="_blank">https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2020/02/of-course-president-trump-was-acquitted/</A></P>
<P>Looks like aty least another 5 years of Trump then - stupid democrats have guarranteed it</P>
<P>with their lunatic actions..&nbsp; An American legal expert even suggested that if</P>
<P>a president is subject to an impeachment charge then their previous terms of office</P>
<P>are deleted from the record - so Trump could be around&nbsp; for another 9 years,&nbsp; and</P>
<P>Boris Johnson for another 20 if the lefties don't wise up and stop their habit of</P>
<P>committing political suicide.</P>
<P><A href="https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/supreme-court-extend-trumps-term/" target="_blank">https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/supreme-court-extend-trumps-term/</A></P>Sat, 08 Feb 2020 09:41:15 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1706798#M272554wotsup2020-02-08T09:41:15ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1706813#M272556
<P>I'd say that on both side of&nbsp; the Atlantic things are pretty well wrapped up for the next four or five years with Trump on one side and Boris on the other.&nbsp;</P>
<P>The markets are going to love it of of course it it offers them some sort of stabilty.&nbsp;</P>
<P>As for Europe and the EU, well we'll just sat back and watch it all disintegrate, literally.</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>Sat, 08 Feb 2020 11:12:42 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1706813#M272556Minivanman2020-02-08T11:12:42ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1706821#M272557
<P>It's been a while since there was a president that suffered from high-velocity lead poisoning, just a random but not totally unrelated thought......... <span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":smiling_face_with_sunglasses:">😎</span></P>Sat, 08 Feb 2020 11:45:20 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1706821#M272557twocvbloke2020-02-08T11:45:20ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1706832#M272560
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<P>It's been a while since there was a president that suffered from high-velocity lead poisoning,</P>
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<P>The NRA is behind Trump, so are most of the people with guns - so 1 republican gets killed and</P>
<P>millions of democrats get shot ...... single brain cell cry baby dummy spitting Pelosi would be the first.</P>Sat, 08 Feb 2020 12:06:02 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1706832#M272560wotsup2020-02-08T12:06:02ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1706858#M272564
<P>The Democrats were not able to get a result due to the lack of witnesses stepping forward.</P>
<P>The result has not done the Democrats any favours. They have yet to select a candidate to stand against Trump. Buttigieg is not known well enough in the country and Sanders is too left wing. One possibility, if Biden doesn't get the nomination, is Bloomberg. He is highly regarded throughout the country and has indicated his willingness to stand.</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>Sat, 08 Feb 2020 14:18:55 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1706858#M272564artmo2020-02-08T14:18:55ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1706866#M272565
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="4626"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR />
<P>The Democrats were not able to get a result due to the lack of witnesses stepping forward.</P>
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<P>Mainly because there was nothing to witness.....................and it wasn't an impeachable act by Trump anyway</P>
<P>The democrats have gone as loopy as Labour and libDums&nbsp; have in UK - as I said both seem hell bent on</P>
<P>commiting political suicide.&nbsp; What they have done with this impeachment fiasco is mobilise Trump support and</P>
<P>probably convince some undecided voters that the Washington swamp still hasn't been drained enough.</P>
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<P>We think that remainers are bad for not accepting the 2016 vote in UK,&nbsp; but that is exactly what democrats in USA</P>
<P>have done - they still haven't accepted the result of their 2016 vote either....they are acting as though only they are</P>
<P>entitled to be in government and Trump is not really president.</P>Sat, 08 Feb 2020 15:42:00 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1706866#M272565wotsup2020-02-08T15:42:00ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1707012#M272600
<P>There is a slight difference in that in the UK more people voted Leave than Remain, whilst in the US more people voted for Mrs Clinton than Mr Trump; it was the electoral college system that resulted in Trump becoming president.&nbsp; Rather than tearing up presidential speeches perhaps they should campaign to make presidential elections more democratic.</P>Sun, 09 Feb 2020 10:57:33 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1707012#M272600Jonpe2020-02-09T10:57:33ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1707029#M272606
<P>On the other hand there are around 150 million voters in USA,&nbsp; so the extra 2.5 million who voted for Democrats ( Clinton ) in 2016 was around 1.5% of electorate,&nbsp; much less than the 4% gap between leave and remain that the remainers said was, tiny or miniscule or not enough and did their best to overturn.&nbsp; The electoral college system only applies to presidential elections, it is to try and even up the influence of smaller less populous states against the larger states and cities.&nbsp;</P>
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<P style="margin-bottom: 0cm; line-height: 100%;"><A href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Electoral_College</A></P>
<P style="margin-bottom: 0cm; line-height: 100%;">&nbsp;</P>
<P style="margin-bottom: 0cm; line-height: 100%;">&nbsp;</P>
<P style="margin-bottom: 0cm; line-height: 100%;"><A name="cite_ref-10" target="_blank"></A> The Electoral College system is a matter of ongoing debate. Supporters of the Electoral College argue that it is fundamental to American <A href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalism" target="_blank">federalism</A>, that it requires candidates to appeal to voters outside large cities, increases the political influence of small states, preserves the two-party system, and makes the electoral outcome appear more legitimate than that of a nationwide popular vote.</P>
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<P>Proportional Representation combined with the normal "First past the post" with the numbers of voters for many elections would have resulted in some very different outcomes had the UK's voting system not been based on Bums on Seats...</P>Sun, 09 Feb 2020 11:49:09 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1707037#M272611twocvbloke2020-02-09T11:49:09ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1707054#M272615
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="61582"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR />
<P>...the 4% gap between leave and remain...</P>
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<P>THe difference between leave and remain votes was 1 269 501 which was only 2.7% of the electorate and approximately 1.9% of the population.</P>Sun, 09 Feb 2020 12:49:42 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1707054#M272615rEUnite2020-02-09T12:49:42ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1707058#M272618
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR />
<P style="margin-bottom: 0cm; line-height: 100%;">&nbsp;</P>
<P style="margin-bottom: 0cm; line-height: 100%;">preserves the two-party system, and makes the electoral outcome appear more legitimate than that of a nationwide popular vote.</P>
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<P>So it's all about fooling the people into thinking they live in a democracy. <span class="lia-unicode-emoji" title=":grinning_face:">😀</span></P>Sun, 09 Feb 2020 13:19:44 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1707058#M272618Jonpe2020-02-09T13:19:44ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1707060#M272619
<P>I'm sure many of you have read this but it's always worth repeating.&nbsp;</P>
<P><EM>‘Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…’</EM></P>
<P><STRONG>Winston S Churchill, 11 November 1947</STRONG></P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>Sun, 09 Feb 2020 13:27:35 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1707060#M272619Minivanman2020-02-09T13:27:35ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1707073#M272622
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="76951"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR />
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<P>THe difference between leave and remain votes was 1 269 501 which was only 2.7% of the electorate </P>
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<P>It was around 4% of the people who voted, not my fault if some people cannot be bothered to vote.........</P>
<P>Unless voting is made compulsory there is no way to get a true result, and even then maybe a lot of spoiled</P>
<P>ballot papers to avoid a fine.</P>Sun, 09 Feb 2020 14:56:46 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1707073#M272622wotsup2020-02-09T14:56:46ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1707074#M272623
<P>I think voting should be compulsory, but incentivise it rather than make it a drudgery, like being given a fiver to vote as a reward or something...</P>Sun, 09 Feb 2020 15:06:53 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1707074#M272623twocvbloke2020-02-09T15:06:53ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1707075#M272624
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="76951"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR />
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR /><LI-USER uid="61582"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR />
<P>...the 4% gap between leave and remain...</P>
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<P>THe difference between leave and remain votes was 1 269 501 which was only 2.7% of the electorate and approximately 1.9% of the population.</P>
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<P><STRIKE>@RobC</STRIKE> <LI-USER uid="76951"></LI-USER>&nbsp;</P>
<P>But 3.78% of the people who bothered to vote.</P>
<P>Either way, a majority voted to leave - get over it.</P>
<P>I forgot to mention an episode of Politics Live a few days ago where your friend Layla Moron was still harping on about staying in the Customs Union and Single Market - strewth, when are you people going to realise what's happened.</P>Sun, 09 Feb 2020 15:12:17 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1707075#M272624RobPN2020-02-09T15:12:17ZRe: Presidential Impeachment Inquiryhttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1707081#M272626
<BLOCKQUOTE><HR />you wer<LI-USER uid="61582"></LI-USER>&nbsp;wrote:<BR />
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<P>THe difference between leave and remain votes was 1 269 501 which was only 2.7% of the electorate</P>
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<P>It was around 4% of the people who voted, not my fault if some people cannot be bothered to vote.........</P>
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<P>In your <A href="https://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1707029#M272606" target="_self">post</A> I was replying to, <STRONG>you</STRONG> compared the ‘4%’ gap between leave and remain votes with 1.5% <STRONG>of the electorate</STRONG> in the US in 2016. I was simply making the comparison a little more legitimate. You were comparing <A href="https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apples_and_oranges" target="_self">apples with oranges</A>.&nbsp;</P>Sun, 09 Feb 2020 15:40:44 GMThttps://community.plus.net/t5/General-Chat/Presidential-Impeachment-Inquiry/m-p/1707081#M272626rEUnite2020-02-09T15:40:44Z