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YouTube is completely useless for deniers since they always have their heads in the sand. Even with their eyes open (I hope the sand is not too gritty) they can’t see what is happening all around them.

This is absolute and undeniable proof that the AGW hysteria industry is getting desperate.
Antarctica has gotten cooler in the last 30 years and has recently set records for Ice Extent.
This little iceacle breaking off is an absolute non-issue.
Here is a article that puts it in perspective.
Not that AGWers will even read it but….
http://icecap.us/index.php/go/political-climate
Oh and here is a map of the Active Volcanoesin the reageon that is the actual cause of the little break off.
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/antarcticvolcanoes2.jpg
And the warming map showing the overall cooling.
http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/antarctic_temps_avh1982-2004.jpg

And here:
http://wattsupwiththat.wordpress.com/2008/01/22/surprise-theres-an-active-volcano-under-antarctic-ice/

You guys can’t convince me that you are really stupid, blind and illiterate.
It is just against the odds.
The Antarctic ice mass has been growing for years.
And there is NO evidence of ANY melting of the ice at this site.
Hello!!!!! Ice DOESNOTMELTWHENITISBELOW 0 Degrees.

Check the temps for that regeon.

Good Grief!!!! I had a much higher opinion of you guys before this sill farce.

You are the one who is stupid, blind and illiterate. Go and read the latest reports on the information coming from the GRACE satellites. These reports show conclusively that the ICEMASS over the Antarctic is DECREASING substantially.

Please refer to the joint press release from the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC), which is part of the Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences at the University of Colorado at Boulder; the British Antarctic Survey (BAS), based in the United Kingdom; and the Earth Dynamic System Research Center at National Cheng Kung University (NCKU) in Taiwan. Entitled Antarctic Ice Shelf Disintegration Underscores a Warming World, this is the basis for all of the news stories currently doing the rounds. You may find it enlightening. See: http://nsidc.org/news/press/20080325_Wilkins.html

It is the total amount of ice in the Antarctic that is important since loss of ice there will raise sea levels quite considerably. Where it is happening does not matter it is the TOTAL loss which is important.

Of course such results do not support your biased views of reality. You are one sick person.

You are incorrect Ian. You cannot look at the Antarctica as one entity. It is several, each with different climate conditions and variables.

Secondly, you have to look at how much ice mass has possibly been lost, remembering that it is *only* the newer Grace measurements which support this belief. Even if the Grace measurements are definitive, the loss of ice mass is tiny, and possibly just a measurement error.

So pardon me if I don’t work myself up into a self-righteous lather as you are wont to do.

“Even if the Grace measurements are definitive, the loss of ice mass is tiny, and possibly just a measurement error.”

Wrong. The Antarctic is losing 36 cubic miles (150 cubic kilometres) of ice each year. Hardly “tiny” or “just a measurement error.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11640662/

Paul, your calling this “tiny” is like calling the Empire State Building puny or Mount Everest short. Also, you and your ilk continue to declare anything which goes against your “denialist” message as having instrumental errors. Excuses, excuses. Just grow up and take your being wrong like a man!

So the question remains, can scientists precisely measure a 150 cubic km loss of ice mass out of 27,000,000? What is their margin of error? And please don’t try and tell me there is no margin of error.

A hundred years at this rate would inundate all land within a half-foot of sea level. This rate, however, is going to accelerate with increasing GHG concentrations, which will lead to the rise in sea levels of maybe a metre. As 100 million people live within a metre of sea level, this will result in mass destabilization and a refugee crisis which will dwarf all the refugee crises in human history COMBINED.

“So the question remains, can scientists precisely measure a 150 cubic km loss of ice mass out of 27,000,000? What is their margin of error? And please don’t try and tell me there is no margin of error.

Even if accurate, the loss is tiny.”

Good point, Paul. One would have to be exceedingly credulous to think anyone could accurately measure that volume accurately. The tolerance of even the best measurement techniques would render the accuracy of the desired measured value useless.

We’re talking about 0.006% here! With such an infiniteslimaly small change, coupled with cummulative measurement errors, for all they know, the ice volume is actually increasing. Basic metrology.

I appreciate the measurements that scientists are attempting to accomplish but rarely, if ever, are the measurements placed in their proper perspective.

If the population of Canada decreased by 150 people in one year, we would say the population is stable or, even more likely, that measuring Canada’s population that precisely was not possible. If the Antarctic (presumably) loses 150 cubic km in one year, looming disaster is immediately predicted.

The ice melts during the Antarctic summer when temperatures in certain regions of the continent are actually ABOVEZERO! (Hmmm, a novel idea. Ice melting when the temperature is above the freezing point!) The Wilkins Ice Shelf is near the Antarctic Peninsula, which is the continent’s northernmost region. Also, temperatures often climb above zero along the coasts of Antarctica where the ice sheet isn’t many hundreds or thousands of feet thick.

If you hadn’t realized parts of Antarctica aren’t completely frozen throughout the year, it’s time you took an introductory atmospheric science class or read a textbook.

The interior ice is increasing in thickness, but the area of ice over the Antarctic continent is decreasing due to the melting and calving caused by warming temperatures. Can’t you get this through your head?

Hi
Sorry for my English but look carefully pictures…Something strange. It look that the ice (snow) as bean cut straight!(maybe Alien! or USA!):)
If you check other ice shelf, the ice don’t collapse like this….i think it’s a another story to make people scared of…And it’s not the the first time the Wilkins Ice Shelf collapse so……Media still afraid people!” Look and analyze by yourself before believing anything! Thanks!

I tend to follow the larger scientific community, since I know very little in this field. To someone who is inexperienced, some piece of data might seem much more significant than it actually is.

To those in the field who disagree, it is a good thing there are people like you. To those not in the field who disagree, please consider the consequences if your instinct is wrong.

For those “scientific” arguments presented here:

The freezing point of water is 0 C only when it is pure. Also, cracks are not necessarily caused by thawing, but by temperature variations.

The margin of error regarding the receding ice has nothing to do with the whole of Antarctica!

The average temperature in Antarctica might indeed decrease, but the average says nothing of distribution. It is kinda like average GDP, which seems so useful, but it says nothing of wealth distribution.

“If a man is offered a fact which goes against his instincts, he will scrutinize it closely, and unless the evidence is overwhelming, he will refuse to believe it. If, on the other hand, he is offered something which affords a reason for acting in accordance to his instincts, he will accept it even on the slightest evidence.” (Bertrand Russell)

Old ice melting is certainly a sign that the melt is going further and further each year. The disintegration of the shelf is also an indication that it is being eroded from below as warmer water circulates beneath it. On reading the press release from the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) (here: http://nsidc.org/news/press/20080325_Wilkins.html), it is my impression that the scientists are most concerned with the loss of a “brake” of ice that has held back the glaciers by providing protection from the direct assault of the open sea. Should the Wilkin shelf disappear, any glacier thus exposed would start to deteriorate in the same way as the dramatic retreat that has been observed in Greenland over the past few years. That’s when sea-level rise becomes an issue.

Democracy is utterly dependent upon an electorate that is accurately informed. In promoting climate change denial (and often denying their responsibility for doing so) industry has done more than endanger the environment. It has undermined democracy.

There is a vast difference between putting forth a point of view, honestly held, and intentionally sowing the seeds of confusion. Free speech does not include the right to deceive. Deception is not a point of view. And the right to disagree does not include a right to intentionally subvert the public awareness.

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