You are the god particle!!

Guess I was being lazy. It's hard to go through 8 pages of posts so I was hoping you would restate yourself. I was also trying to change the
tone of our interaction with eachother.

Well, I suppose I should inform you of some thing's you might want to know about me.

I don't like dishonest people and I view dishonesty as proclaiming a truth without backing up that truth.

I don't like arrogant people and I view arrogant people as those pompous buffoons who will blatantly ignore explicit evidence against their
beliefs.

I don't like ignorant people and I view ignorant people as those who purposefully don't bother to learn anything at all.

I don't like Liars and I view these people who just general make BS up that doesn't exist on purpose towards their own agendas and beliefs.

I don't like lazy people, if I say I've already explained something in a thread I'm discussing an issue with and you repeatedly demand of me to
repeat that explanation, then your lazy and I will treat you accordingly.

Look, there may not be scientific data to back some of this stuff up and I am not of a scientific mind. The only way I can really learn about
this stuff, since I can't ever seem to comprehend physics in general no matter how hard I try, is by discussing it with people who may know better
than I or have their own ideas.

Great, so you piss on me while admitting you don't know nothing about any of this personally. Another trait I dislike. Yet you want me to change *MY*
tone? How about you change your unfounded opinion?

Could you imagine if I required proof every single time I got into a discussion with someone (in "real" life) about physics, philosophy?
Sometimes I think it's just too much to always require hard evidence if people are just trying to converse and learn from eachothers
experiences/understandings/knowledge.

Look, it's quiet easy; Reality is reality and whatever is real to reality is proven to be real to reality. Science doesn't have all the answers and
often times if not most times the answers it arrives to are proven wrong time and time again, but over a larger period of time certain answers keep
popping up that seem to just work, so we base theories and technologies upon those certain answers, because they seem to work.

Despite the appearance of seemingly working however, this does not invariably make it true or factual in explanation. As I've been telling the OP,
correlation does not imply causation. Take his argument of dark matter. Despite the invented form of matter and thus the predicted observations, the
correlation of it's predictions does not mean dark matter is inherently the causation of the observation, if you can understand that. Dark matter is
an invented requirement, not an observed truth.

The point is, what may appear true today may not be what is true tomorrow, so unless it can be proven true over and over again through constant
falsifiability, then there is no reason to continuously believe it to be true. Science is never about absolutes as it constantly forces itself to
recheck it's "facts".

Never believe someone who claims to have an absolute truth, they're idiots of the highest degree.

So I understand how you may call the OP's a logical fallacy, I'm just hoping that you and others can just join in the conversation even if
you disagree without calling people liars just because they are posing ideas that may not have scientific data to back it up.

He was called a liar for a very specific reason, he lied to me. I don't call people names without reason, I do have certain morals. I treat people
how THEY want to be treated. You want to lie, you get treated as such, etc.

Pretty reasonable way to live if you ask me.

There's no harm in discussing ideas such as these even if they are completely false (which also can't be proven). As someone I know always
says, "there's a point where discussions like these stop applying to your life". So it doesn't hurt a soul to imagine, wish, or believe that
"you" are the Higgs Boson.

There is a distinct difference between speculative discussion and proclaimed truth. The OP exclaims a truth, not a speculative possibility. When I see
a proclaimed truth, I demand evidence for such before I accept that truth. Without evidence, then what right do we have to blindly believe in
something unproven? It's idiocy.

I agree this guy is a quack, but your whole ATSIS is BS. Most of this site is ATSIS, including yourself. Everyone here believes they just know
something that sets them apart from everyone else for some fulfillment of self importance. Leave this guy alone and come up with something of quality
then!

I am inclined to say the same thing back to atcwatcher.

As in, "atcwatcher leave sirnex alone and don't denigrate his ATSIS as BS unless you have a better idea".

Originally posted by sirnex
The point is, what may appear true today may not be what is true tomorrow, so unless it can be proven true over and over again through constant
falsifiability, then there is no reason to continuously believe it to be true. Science is never about absolutes as it constantly forces itself to
recheck it's "facts".

This is exactly why we must admit that the mind does not exist in a scientific way.

Science is not “only” concerned with empirical evidence (debatable) but it does require that the foundations of any scientific study be based on
observable and measurable information.

Science is fundamentally built on observation of patterns.
It assumes the world is predictable and requires a measurable result.

However, in order to be predicted or measured an event must be linear (or at least simple enough to be broken into linear pieces).

Some issues can NOT be observed directly.
This means that from a scientific standpoint they are only theoretical.

The mind is the common denominator of abstract thought.

A concept like the mind can obviously be studied in a scientific way (psycholinguistics is very interesting) but the most important recognition of any
neuroscientist when discussing purely cognitive issues is that they are making assumptions based on a combination of logic and observation of
correlations between brain activity and observable behavior (regardless of whether this behavior is speculated as physiological or psychological).

This means that we can theoretically discuss concepts like the mind but we are making logical inferences based of our own conscious experience.

The reason science works out so well is because we seem to have similar conscious experiences that form the ability to communicate but we cannot
“feel” the consciousness of another person.

Im sure you could but let me remind you be for you diss him.. he called me a nut.

he was fair and said what he felt was right..

This topic is not about pesonality or about right or wrong as some wish it to be to prove a point.

here is a basic fact.

you will die

care to argue about that aspect of this topic? Or maybe sirex with his grate abundence of knowlegde can tell me or the others what happens after
death or even befor he was born.. do you know what? HE CANT

as i sit reading his crap i do ponder why on eart he keeps coming back

i do not like people who are dishonest he says?
I like to know the facts he says

dont bullshizzle me he says

may i remind YOU and HIM and everyone ELS on this topic

YOU DID NOT MAKE YOU HAPPEN did you? NO

but yet people sit here and wish to bull# me about symantics of IF BUTS WHENS MAYBES

when your entire life is based on IF BUTS AN MAYBES

what a crock of crap.

you see I KNOW I KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT

people like ME gave birth to your entire understanding of LIFE

Go ahead prove me wrong...

EVERYTHING I LIST IS FACT not a theory EVERYTHIING I CONNECT ARE BASED ON FACTS

get back to me when YOU have a theory instead of TROLLING and pointing out CRAP because you CAN NOT UNDERSTAND IT.

It really makes me laugh.. the same guy who can not understand and even ASKED if probability is REAL comes on here trying to what? prove hes some how
SMARTER becuase of his own ignorace

Originally posted by sirnex
The Higgs Boson does not create matter at all. The Higgs Boson is the force carrier that gives mass to matter.

He talks as if this is a fact, but it is a theory. So he uses theory to disprove theory.

Are you kidding or are you flipping retarded? Yes, I'm asking seriously. The OP claimed that the higgs boson creates matter. Yet I'm
absofckinglutley wrong when I correct him.

DUDE, THIS IS HIS ASSERTION, not mine. Comprehend what you read, you will sound less ignorant. That is the honest truth. Look up the higgs boson,
nothing about it claims creation of matter. Go learn something for a change.

Matter is usually referred to anything that has mass. If the Higgs Boson is the force carrier that gives mass to matter, than it is equally
true that the Higgs Boson is needed in order to create matter.

This is not what the higgs boson is about!!!! Are you capable of learning or do you just run around fcking saying whatever you want and calling it a
truth?! READ ABOUT THE HIGGS BOSON!!! Nothing about it states ANYTHING about creation of matter, it's a PROPERTY of matter.

.because technically the material world would not exist without the Higgs Boson. Logically speaking, YOU would not exist without the Higgs
Boson. Which logically speaking means that YOU ARE THE HIGGS BOSON which proves the OP is correct.

Logic my right nut. Correlation does not imply causation, unless your a gold winner of the special Olympics. Nothing about the OP's assertion is
implied nor proven, hence his blatant ignoring of my inquiry to quote an explicit statement made by science that proves his case. Idiot, learn to read
and comprehend what you read. Yes I called you and idiot because you are acting like an idiot. No it's not an insult, it's an observation of your
conduct. Change that conduct if that observation offends you.

Your brain isn't there to be a flipping paper weight, USE IT!

Then you need to read more.

It's my life's work to learn every aspect of every opinion. I have never come across ANY viable proven mechanism for the creation of matter and
certainly nothing the OP has quoted gives rise to such creation. NO, the higgs boson DOES NOT create matter you ignorant tool, go look up the higgs
boson and learn something before you blindly and ignorantly agree with the OP's assertion!!!

Now if we take into account we are made from the "99.9999" space what is the 1.1111 %?

Didn't you claim to be a mathematician?

Your sums don't add up!

That's the funny part. Claims and is are two separate things. He claims to be a mathematician that ignores variables. Really, he is a ignorant tool,
not a mathematician as I don't know any mathematician that simply and rightfully states they can ignore all variables of an equation.

I honestly think that the original poster has a god complex. They really can't accept the fact that the world would still keep spinning, even if they
would be removed from the picture, which is an utter form of narcissism.

I honestly think that the original poster has a god complex. They really can't accept the fact that the world would still keep spinning, even if they
would be removed from the picture, which is an utter form of narcissism.

-v

Yep, exactly what I think as well, just narcissism in it's purest form. I can never understand why people wish to feel so special or believe they
are. Just sounds like idiotic arrogance. Perhaps a cockroach is more important to the universe than we are. Did they ever think of that? No... Of
course not, they're narcissists, why would they think any differently?

Or maybe sirex with his grate abundence of knowlegde can tell me or the others what happens after death or even befor he was born.. do you know
what? HE CANT

Your right, I can't. Neither can you, so what is the point? Or are you going to act like a little hypocrite and claim that only YOU know what
happens?

people like ME gave birth to your entire understanding of LIFE

No, people like you gave birth to the Special Olympics.

EVERYTHING I LIST IS FACT not a theory EVERYTHIING I CONNECT ARE BASED ON FACTS

Your assertion on the nature of the higgs boson is not a fact nor have you shown it to be a fact. A logical fallacy does not make a fact, it gives
birth to a moron.

It really makes me laugh.. the same guy who can not understand and even ASKED if probability is REAL comes on here trying to what? prove hes
some how SMARTER becuase of his own ignorace

You and I already worked out that probability only arises if we don't act upon or measure the equation. In order for probability to exist, we have to
ignore all extant variables. It's illusory and nothing else.

Originally posted by 13579
2nd Your body on a scale compared to the vastness of the universe could also be clased as a sub atomic patical.

Your body when compared to the subatomic particles it's made of, has a scale of the Universe. So you can equally call humans "universes". You can
call a virus a black hole, and your stomach a nebula, with your flatulence being an equivalent of Magellan Clouds.

Dwelling in the absurd (which seems to be your hobby) is a sign of dark times coming upon our society. I wrote about this in
www.abovetopsecret.com...

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