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Murray & Parros practicing with the team (no contact) Oct. 25

Mind you, it goes both ways. How is your evaluations of Doug Murray so different than two experienced NHL coaches, who kept using him in a regular role, despite him being "not good enough to play in the NHL"?

Murray was traded from a playoff team and saw his ice time increasingly getting reduced with age, even with the pens. He's still a bottom pairing d-man, but you need to put things into perspective.

Diaz, on the other, received MORE minutes from his first season. More not less.

Both are bottom pairing D-men, let's not kid ourselves. I think Diaz is still better and with Tinordi looking upwards and Emelin returning, Murray could be the odd man out.

Murray was traded from a playoff team and saw his ice time increasingly getting reduced with age, even with the pens. He's still a bottom pairing d-man, but you need to put things into perspective.

Diaz, on the other, received more minutes from his first season. More not less.

Both are bottom pairing D-men, let's not kid ourselves. I think Diaz is still better and with Tinordi looking upwards and Emelin returning, Murray could be the odd man out.

So we have a bottom-pairing d-man out of the lineup. Following that argument, you would think we have an above-average D. Then, how come everyone is pissing on it as soon as Price lets bad goals or counterperforms? And everyone who's objective here will know that it's exactly what happens...

So we have a bottom-pairing d-man out of the lineup. Following that argument, you would think we have an above-average D. Then, how come everyone is pissing on it as soon as Price lets bad goals or counterperforms? And everyone who's objective here will know that it's exactly what happens...

There are so many contradictions here it's not even funny.

If the team had 9 bottom pairing D-men, one would still be out of the lineup.

The habs have defensive depth, doesn't necessarily mean it's quality, but it has depth.

Mind you, it goes both ways. How is your evaluations of Doug Murray so different than two experienced NHL coaches, who kept using him in a regular role, despite him being "not good enough to play in the NHL"?

What are you even talking about?! Just lay off the hate sauce. It's making you e-drunk.

Actually Tinordi's competition is Murray since they have the potential to deliver the same type of value to the team: size, toughness, shutdown, PK minutes. One can argue that Tinordi can even replace Diaz during Emelin's absence since Diaz doesn't offer any shutdown value as a 4th defenseman being paired with Markov.

In the short term (1-2 yrs), the Habs defence can look like this if Markov, Emelin and Diaz resign (Shutdown -SD & Offensive - OF):

Tinordi (SD) - Subban (OF)
Beaulieu (OF) - Emelin (SD)
Gorges (SD) - Dietz/Nygren (OF) - where Emelin or Gorges will be either #4 or #5 depending on current play and we trade the #5 for a cheaper option

The guy was at least 50% less effective in his second game. You guys spend too much time analyzing the tools, and not enough on analyzing the toolbox to put it all together. What's worst in this is that, some here that are advocating to keep Tinordi in the NHL are still whining about Price coming in this league too quickly.

Guys of Tinordi's size and style aren't generally even ready for the big show before 23-24 years old, minus some exception. The kid is 21.

For what it's worth, Tinordi is not even the most impressive rookie out there on D. It would be Pateryn.

That is great news, two young D with size ready to play in the NHL with Beaulieu just about ready. Dietz seems to be impressing, hopefully he does well on the farm.

Actually Tinordi's competition is Murray since they have the potential to deliver the same type of value to the team: size, toughness, shutdown, PK minutes. One can argue that Tinordi can even replace Diaz during Emelin's absence since Diaz doesn't offer any shutdown value as a 4th defenseman being paired with Markov.

In the short term (1-2 yrs), the Habs defence can look like this if Markov, Emelin and Diaz resign (Shutdown -SD & Offensive - OF):

Tinordi (SD) - Subban (OF)
Beaulieu (OF) - Emelin (SD)
Gorges (SD) - Dietz/Nygren (OF) - where Emelin or Gorges will be either #4 or #5 depending on current play and we trade the #5 for a cheaper option

The habs want more than one of these types of players in the line-up. Murray is not going to be taken out of the line-up for Tinordi, unless Boullion outplays him.