Since many of us are waiting for the deluxe version of Mark Lewisohn's All These Years to read the book, I suggested starting a separate spoiler thread for those who want to discuss the standard edition (and those who can't to hear about). It sounds like reviewers will be allowed to discuss the book as early as next week, so I figured I'd start the thread sooner than later.

Spoil on!

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18 September 20136.20pm

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Cool. Thanks Parlance.

This thread will be 65,000 pages long and be getting added to in 2020 with folks avoiding it in the run up to the third volume.

Now all I have to do is get every newspaper, magazine, website and person to post about All Those Years only in this thread for the next few years. No bother.

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19 September 201311.36am

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If I have understood Joe's post in the other thread correctly, this will be the place to discuss the book for those reading it. I hope you don't mind my change to the title too much parlance.

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Having just spent all my money on ebay (latest is the Anthology DVD set) it will be a while before I can afford this book - so I'm more than happy to hear anything new as soon as details are allowed to start flowing.

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20 September 20133.04pm

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Same. It won't be until next year..maaaaybe...before I can buy this book and I can't go on until then without any details and spoilers.

Julia
Lennon was killed when she was knocked over by a car as she crossed the road in 1958.

Although she had given Lennon up age five, at the time of her death the pair had reconciled, leading Lennon to later tell how he felt he had lost her twice.

In his new book Tune In the first of a three-part biography of the group, author and Beatles' historian Mark Lewisohn said the incident caused the “most tremendous heartbreak” for Lennon.

“For John, who’d grown up without Julia
from the age of five, losing her again at 17, with such appalling finality, was the most tremendous and irreconcilable heartbreak,” he writes.

“He became more embittered, more cynical, more harsh, more uncompromising, more edgy, more volatile than ever.”

Lewisohn has taken a decade to research and write the 1,000-page book, which follows the group through childhood to 1962.

Lennon had an unorthodox and sometimes controversial relationship with his mother, who taught him to play banjo and bought him his first guitar.

She had given him to her sister, Mimi, to raise but from about the age of 14, Lennon started to spend more time with his mother, eventually moving into the home she shared with her new partner, John ‘Bobby’ Dykins, and their two young daughters.

However in 1958, Dykins was charged with drink driving. He was banned from driving and lost his job. It was this incident, writes Lewisohn, that led Julia
to travel to her sister’s on the day of her death and ask her if Lennon could move back in as they were struggling financially. As she walked home she was hit by the car and died instantly aged 44.

The driver – Eric Clague – was a learner who should not have been on the road unaccompanied. Lennon believed he was drunk but there was no mention of alcohol at the inquest, and he was never charged.

“Coming to believe the driver who killed his mother was a ‘drunk off-duty cop’, his respect for authority, and especially the law, crumbled and would only ever worsen.

“Where most people saw law and order, John would only see rank hypocrisy”.

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20 September 20137.04pm

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He was banned from driving and lost his job. It was this incident, writes Lewisohn, that led Julia
to travel to her sister’s on the day of her death and ask her if Lennon could move back in as they were struggling financially.

That adds an even more heartbreaking element to the story. Just as Julia
would have been closer than ever to her son, she was taken away.

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20 September 20137.17pm

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OK, I have to say that I've never encountered the words "spoiler alert" in conjunction with a work of non-fiction before. Most peculiar...

Someone said 'What were you gonna do when it's all finished,' and I said 'I don't know but it'd be good fun being a DJ.' And since then I've become a DJ, only by word of mouth, you know. SO any minute now you'll read, 'Ringo leaves to become a DJ' but it's not true. - Ringo Starr

20 September 201310.21pm

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vonbontee said
OK, I have to say that I've never encountered the words "spoiler alert" in conjunction with a work of non-fiction before. Most peculiar...

Quite fitting seeing as how the world had never encountered anything like the Beatles before.

Someone said 'What were you gonna do when it's all finished,' and I said 'I don't know but it'd be good fun being a DJ.' And since then I've become a DJ, only by word of mouth, you know. SO any minute now you'll read, 'Ringo leaves to become a DJ' but it's not true. - Ringo Starr

20 September 201311.52pm

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vonbontee said
Yeah, what a great band they are! I hope they never break up...

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