i hate racist aussies they are crazy sick evil white australians are so useless worthless good for nothing?

The old 'racisim' accusation, has no effect on Australians anymore... The trouble is if an Australian expresses an opinion or a concern about people from other countries settling here, who never want to learn english, never want to work, want to practice the barbaric parts of their culture ,,, like forced marriage, female circumcision, hate against the western world... then Australians speak out and are branded racist... Instead of Australians being told we have to accept migrants cultures, perhaps migrants should be informed of our expectations from them.... For those migrants who come here, make an effort to learn English, get a job, and embrace Australia, we say welcome....

<quoted text>The old 'racisim' accusation, has no effect on Australians anymore... The trouble is if an Australian expresses an opinion or a concern about people from other countries settling here, who never want to learn english, never want to work, want to practice the barbaric parts of their culture ,,, like forced marriage, female circumcision, hate against the western world... then Australians speak out and are branded racist... Instead of Australians being told we have to accept migrants cultures, perhaps migrants should be informed of our expectations from them.... For those migrants who come here, make an effort to learn English, get a job, and embrace Australia, we say welcome....

If you want immigrants from China, learn at least SOME Mandarin, first. It is a two way street. Asians are not into forced marriage and FGM and honor killings. And where ever the immigrants are from if they are educated chances will be they wont follow such barbaric practices.

If Australia wants immigrants from Asia and the eastern world it should become more eastern, and understand what fairness means. One sided expectations are not fair. Assimilation should be a two way process, with all cultures learning from each other and adopting each others better practices.

Australia should shape up or the only immigrants you'll get will be the ones who will be OK to be your DOORMAT, and those usually will be of poor quality and education and low self esteem. Or you will get Muslims who will lie.

IN SHORT THE BETTER IMMIGRANTS WILL CHOOSE A BETTER HOST COUNTRY.If you can't do that, if you can't SHAPE UP- stick to WHITE AUSTRALIA POLICY or settle for bad immigrants. The choice is yours.

<quoted text>If you want immigrants from China, learn at least SOME Mandarin, first. It is a two way street. Asians are not into forced marriage and FGM and honor killings. And where ever the immigrants are from if they are educated chances will be they wont follow such barbaric practices.If Australia wants immigrants from Asia and the eastern world it should become more eastern, and understand what fairness means. One sided expectations are not fair. Assimilation should be a two way process, with all cultures learning from each other and adopting each others better practices.Australia should shape up or the only immigrants you'll get will be the ones who will be OK to be your DOORMAT, and those usually will be of poor quality and education and low self esteem. Or you will get Muslims who will lie.IN SHORT THE BETTER IMMIGRANTS WILL CHOOSE A BETTER HOST COUNTRY.If you can't do that, if you can't SHAPE UP- stick to WHITE AUSTRALIA POLICY or settle for bad immigrants. The choice is yours.

I think the consensus is that we don't want immigrants at all. We have our own troubles and I'm sure that as a Chinese national you can understand that.

The Chinese are notoriously racist and unwelcoming in their own country to migrants. Why would you expect a welcome here when we get none there?

<quoted text>I think the consensus is that we don't want immigrants at all.

Sure about that? Your govt seems to be going the other way!

Anyway, my point still stands.

-IF- you want immigration, good people will be attracted to certain countries only (where there is fairness, justice, equality), while the bad will go anywhere. If Australians are supremacist racist xenophobes, who expect ONLY outsiders to ASSIMILATE, then only a certain kind of immigrants will go there,(poor quality immigrants, those rejected by all others).

<quoted text>The old 'racisim' accusation, has no effect on Australians anymore... The trouble is if an Australian expresses an opinion or a concern about people from other countries settling here, who never want to learn english, never want to work, want to practice the barbaric parts of their culture ,,, like forced marriage, female circumcision, hate against the western world... then Australians speak out and are branded racist... Instead of Australians being told we have to accept migrants cultures, perhaps migrants should be informed of our expectations from them.... For those migrants who come here, make an effort to learn English, get a job, and embrace Australia, we say welcome....

I agree completely! This bulls--- of playing the race card really must be told to get off. However, I do want to say that as long as immigrants respect the country, learn English and participate with good citizenship, they have every right to cherish their culture privately just as Jewish communities keep their religion and their Hebrew language studies. Be a citizen in public and an ethnic in your temple or your cultural associations.

<quoted text>If you want immigrants from China, learn at least SOME Mandarin, first. It is a two way street. Asians are not into forced marriage and FGM and honor killings. And where ever the immigrants are from if they are educated chances will be they wont follow such barbaric practices.If Australia wants immigrants from Asia and the eastern world it should become more eastern, and understand what fairness means. One sided expectations are not fair. Assimilation should be a two way process, with all cultures learning from each other and adopting each others better practices.Australia should shape up or the only immigrants you'll get will be the ones who will be OK to be your DOORMAT, and those usually will be of poor quality and education and low self esteem. Or you will get Muslims who will lie.IN SHORT THE BETTER IMMIGRANTS WILL CHOOSE A BETTER HOST COUNTRY.If you can't do that, if you can't SHAPE UP- stick to WHITE AUSTRALIA POLICY or settle for bad immigrants. The choice is yours.

There are many thousands of Chinese immigrants to this country, their culture and food has been accepted widely in this country... We have Chinatowns in all our capitol cities.... How many thousands of Australian immigrants live in China,.. But I will agree that too many times, we take people other countries don't want, maybe that is why racisim is taking hold in this country at the moment, our laws and do-gooders force us to keep people who are criminals and mentally ill. who don't work and never will... If I was moving to live in a non english speaking country, I would ensure I learnt the language and learnt something about the culture... in my own country I speak English...

<quoted text>Sure about that? Your govt seems to be going the other way!Anyway, my point still stands.-IF- you want immigration, good people will be attracted to certain countries only (where there is fairness, justice, equality), while the bad will go anywhere. If Australians are supremacist racist xenophobes, who expect ONLY outsiders to ASSIMILATE, then only a certain kind of immigrants will go there,(poor quality immigrants, those rejected by all others).

Of course the government wants immigrants - the government will always be in favour of cheap labour as long as it's in bed with big business. Other than these it's only the brainwashed who imagine that multiculturalism is 'wonderful'. Time and again this cultural fantasy has been proven wrong and as a Chinese national, having no multicultural policies in place whatsoever, you should be aware that what you expect is nothing short of hypocrisy. The Chinese government has never demonstrated an interest in 'fairness' or multiculturalism but in Australia, the desire to close the borders has very little to do with being a racist or xenophobe and much more to do with economic realities. In China it's just pure racism.

As such, how could you possibly put yourself forward as a 'good immigrant' even knowing that you're not wanted here? It follows that you've absorbed your racist culture and that you would practice your beliefs here. I've seen it time and time again. What makes you think you're a 'good immigrant' when you come from a country that practices institutionalized racism? What makes you different from a 'bad immigrant' who does the same?

You cannot have your cake and eat it. China is supremely racist, xenophobic and closed-minded. You expect westerners to assimilate to your culture. You cannot expect any different treatment here and to do so makes you a cultural imperialist which is contrary to even the government's expectations.

It seems a bit is unfair to ask all immigrants to learn English. Its PRACTICAL, but unfair.

Solution-

The world should move towards a planetary standard language with rational rules to reduce vagueness and ambiguity. The script should be more phonetic like Devnagri script is, but with english alphabets plus added vowels and consonants to be more consistent with human speech.

English has only 5 vowels but humans can pronounce 13 (refer the hindi alphabet where every phonetic symbol represents exactly one atomic human sound (vowel can be pronounced on there own, consonants need accompanying vowel)

The planetary standard language should have words from all contemporary languages like English, Mandarin, Hindi, Spanish, Arabic, French etc etc. All words should be defined exactly and properly.

Smart minds can easily make a language that is much more efficient and less error prone while communicating, than the contemporary languages in use.

Maybe it is time people of the world came together and created a COMMON language for ALL humans - A MODERN LANGUAGE created scientifically, for MODERN SCIENTIFIC TIMES.

<quoted text>There are many thousands of Chinese immigrants to this country, their culture and food has been accepted widely in this country... We have Chinatowns in all our capitol cities.... How many thousands of Australian immigrants live in China,.. But I will agree that too many times, we take people other countries don't want, maybe that is why racisim is taking hold in this country at the moment, our laws and do-gooders force us to keep people who are criminals and mentally ill. who don't work and never will... If I was moving to live in a non english speaking country, I would ensure I learnt the language and learnt something about the culture... in my own country I speak English...

Agree, yes many Chinese in Aus already.

But it is not do gooders. Immigration is to get labour, nothing to do with do gooding. Do gooding is just a front to get cheap labor.

Boat people are just cheapest labor possible, cheap and near free, for whom you don't have to pay travel fair. And they will do any job, in the hot desert or mine for hours for peanuts while being abused and ill treated.

International Students are suckers too, you get them to pay air fair, pay PR fee (you call it tution fee), get job pay rent and taxes AND get abuse and discrimination at work. You labour govt is inhumanly shrewd about labour.

But if they were WISE they would know that cheap mostly equals bad quality. And society will suffer as a result.

<quoted text>Agree, yes many Chinese in Aus already.But it is not do gooders. Immigration is to get labour, nothing to do with do gooding. Do gooding is just a front to get cheap labor.Boat people are just cheapest labor possible, cheap and near free, for whom you don't have to pay travel fair. And they will do any job, in the hot desert or mine for hours for peanuts while being abused and ill treated.International Students are suckers too, you get them to pay air fair, pay PR fee (you call it tution fee), get job pay rent and taxes AND get abuse and discrimination at work. You labour govt is inhumanly shrewd about labour.But if they were WISE they would know that cheap mostly equals bad quality. And society will suffer as a result.

'boat people' as cheap labour - are you serious? Boat people are a drain on the economy and use resources meant for Australians eg9% of Afghan adults are employed and 94% receive benefits.They cost taxpayers millions of dollars each year.

85% of 'boat people' and 'refugees' are on welfare benefits after 5 years in Australia.

<quoted text>Agree, yes many Chinese in Aus already.But it is not do gooders. Immigration is to get labour, nothing to do with do gooding. Do gooding is just a front to get cheap labor.Boat people are just cheapest labor possible, cheap and near free, for whom you don't have to pay travel fair. And they will do any job, in the hot desert or mine for hours for peanuts while being abused and ill treated.International Students are suckers too, you get them to pay air fair, pay PR fee (you call it tution fee), get job pay rent and taxes AND get abuse and discrimination at work. You labour govt is inhumanly shrewd about labour.But if they were WISE they would know that cheap mostly equals bad quality. And society will suffer as a result.

First, people who arrive by boat cost this government billions of dollars. They do not come cheap. Do your research. They won't do 'any job' either, many of them end up on welfare. And Australia does not treat its workers badly. If you want to see that done, take a look at your own back yard.

International students who come here claiming to want to 'study' only do it for PR. No one 'gets them' to do anything, this is a Chinese fantasy for Chinese who want to play victim. Claiming that they're 'forced' to do it for PR is rank BS. These students, and their families who pay for their degrees are opportunistic sleaze. There's been more than enough plagiarizing, cheating, lying and ruining this education system through the degrees they buy. No one wants any more of them either; they like to bring their families, friends, and entourages with them and they are closed group. They do nothing for this country.

There is no such thing as a good immigrant unless it's an immigrant from a culture that is similar to the one from which they immigrate. That does not include Asia.

<quoted text>Of course the government wants immigrants - the government will always be in favour of cheap labour as long as it's in bed with big business. Other than these it's only the brainwashed who imagine that multiculturalism is 'wonderful'. Time and again this cultural fantasy has been proven wrong and as a Chinese national, having no multicultural policies in place whatsoever, you should be aware that what you expect is nothing short of hypocrisy. The Chinese government has never demonstrated an interest in 'fairness' or multiculturalism but in Australia, the desire to close the borders has very little to do with being a racist or xenophobe and much more to do with economic realities. In China it's just pure racism.As such, how could you possibly put yourself forward as a 'good immigrant' even knowing that you're not wanted here? It follows that you've absorbed your racist culture and that you would practice your beliefs here. I've seen it time and time again. What makes you think you're a 'good immigrant' when you come from a country that practices institutionalized racism? What makes you different from a 'bad immigrant' who does the same?You cannot have your cake and eat it. China is supremely racist, xenophobic and closed-minded. You expect westerners to assimilate to your culture. You cannot expect any different treatment here and to do so makes you a cultural imperialist which is contrary to even the government's expectations.

My confused defensive friend, are we talking about China or Australia. Racism is the least of my country's problems. If you ARE going ahead with immigration, and you are (your govt is), then would you rather have good people coming in or bad?

And I never said we expect Australia to be assimilate to my culture. That is what you people keep saying. I like a lot of things in Aussie culture and society. But if you have no idea what multiculturalism means, then DO NOT go for immigration from other cultures. Keep to your own culture. Your attempts at multi culturalism will only fail, if you are not capable of it yet. You obviously can't select good immigrants by differentiating them from the bad. And that is not good for anybody in the long run.

<quoted text>If you want immigrants from China, learn at least SOME Mandarin, first. It is a two way street. Asians are not into forced marriage and FGM and honor killings. And where ever the immigrants are from if they are educated chances will be they wont follow such barbaric practices.If Australia wants immigrants from Asia and the eastern world it should become more eastern, and understand what fairness means. One sided expectations are not fair. Assimilation should be a two way process, with all cultures learning from each other and adopting each others better practices.Australia should shape up or the only immigrants you'll get will be the ones who will be OK to be your DOORMAT, and those usually will be of poor quality and education and low self esteem. Or you will get Muslims who will lie.IN SHORT THE BETTER IMMIGRANTS WILL CHOOSE A BETTER HOST COUNTRY.If you can't do that, if you can't SHAPE UP- stick to WHITE AUSTRALIA POLICY or settle for bad immigrants. The choice is yours.

I can't agree with you, I spent 7 years in China and no one did me any favors with regard to language or customs. I learnt basic mandarin and some of the customs, I was the one that was out of line and I had no expectation that Chinese people change to suite me. I must say that China is the only country I have been to that I felt was a superior culture to my own and to expect any one to fall in line with my way of thinking would be the height of ignorance.

<quoted text>'boat people' as cheap labour - are you serious? Boat people are a drain on the economy and use resources meant for Australians eg9% of Afghan adults are employed and 94% receive benefits.They cost taxpayers millions of dollars each year.85% of 'boat people' and 'refugees' are on welfare benefits after 5 years in Australia.

And I see our illustrious Government are about to allow another 2000 to settle here, as Christmas Island is full, and they can't be sent to Nauru or Manus, why??? so another hundred million for centerlink, welcome packages and agencies bending over backwards to find housing...

<quoted text>My confused defensive friend, are we talking about China or Australia. Racism is the least of my country's problems. If you ARE going ahead with immigration, and you are (your govt is), then would you rather have good people coming in or bad?And I never said we expect Australia to be assimilate to my culture. That is what you people keep saying. I like a lot of things in Aussie culture and society. But if you have no idea what multiculturalism means, then DO NOT go for immigration from other cultures. Keep to your own culture. Your attempts at multi culturalism will only fail, if you are not capable of it yet. You obviously can't select good immigrants by differentiating them from the bad. And that is not good for anybody in the long run.

Racism is only one of your country's problems LOL that is true. I think many people have a pretty good understanding of what 'multicultural' means here. I certainly do, I've spent a lifetime studying it. You haven't and I'm not convinced that you do understand it: more importantly, multiculturalism fails on its own merit - it has nothing to do with 'understanding' it 'yet' or otherwise. If you enjoy multiculturalism so very much why not introduce it in China? It will be a big hit I'm sure.

There are no good immigrants except for the immigrants who immigrate from cultures that are similar to ours. That does not include China and that is how you separate the 'good' from the 'bad'. It's too difficult to try to get cultures who are not already familiar with this one to live here without practicing their own brand of racism, nepotism and unfair practices. It causes social and economic problems that are far-reaching and against the majority interest.

<quoted text>Sure about that? Your govt seems to be going the other way!Anyway, my point still stands.-IF- you want immigration, good people will be attracted to certain countries only (where there is fairness, justice, equality), while the bad will go anywhere. If Australians are supremacist racist xenophobes, who expect ONLY outsiders to ASSIMILATE, then only a certain kind of immigrants will go there,(poor quality immigrants, those rejected by all others).

You have got the right idea, absolutely!

But you must know a very crucial point about Aussies. They DO NOT have the level of IQ and the level of education of modern progressive countries of our current times.They think they know, but they don't because there is nothing to compare them self to in the southern region.Their Universities are reasonable, but anything below that is just pretending.They believe that because they are rich, they must be better then others. That they are only rich because of a small population on a waste land mass and the minerals in the ground and not because they are extraordinary intellectually gifted, never cross their mind.The unavoidable truth is that they simply don't have a chance of keeping Asians and the rest of the world out because of the intellectual capacity of millions of well educated willing migrants.They just simply cant comprehend that there are many times more University graduates EVERY year in Asia alone then the whole Australian population at current. The modern migrant doesn't need to take up arms to conquer an low populated country, all they need is their Brain and education.

<quoted text>My confused defensive friend, are we talking about China or Australia. Racism is the least of my country's problems. If you ARE going ahead with immigration, and you are (your govt is), then would you rather have good people coming in or bad?And I never said we expect Australia to be assimilate to my culture. That is what you people keep saying. I like a lot of things in Aussie culture and society. But if you have no idea what multiculturalism means, then DO NOT go for immigration from other cultures. Keep to your own culture. Your attempts at multi culturalism will only fail, if you are not capable of it yet. You obviously can't select good immigrants by differentiating them from the bad. And that is not good for anybody in the long run.

Many Australians also do menial jobs at low wages, I have worked with many people from different cultures, many asian women, most good, hard workers... I did notice there was racisim between the Philipino girls and the Korean girls, the Philipino girls told me the Korean girls were lazy and they didn't like them...I never noticed, but maybe the racisim was inbuilt before they even got here... I am sorry if you or someone you know had a bad experience here... Just remember a lot of Australians are also struggling...

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