Not really to their own when they take such things "really seriously" so they start killing family members because "we had to, she brought dishonour on the family!" It happens way too often for comfort.

or like in feudal japan when you disgrace your ancestors you have to commit sudoku.

Not really to their own when they take such things "really seriously" so they start killing family members because "we had to, she brought dishonour on the family!" It happens way too often for comfort.

Killing crosses the line. But anything legal I really cannot touch.

---------- Post added 2013-01-03 at 10:26 AM ----------

Originally Posted by Gamdwelf

or like in japan when you disgrace your family you have to commit sudoku.

You mean seppuku? Or are those puzzles an eternal hell for you as well?

I don't remember honestly. But the thought of 8 year olds doing anything past "Spin the Bottle" kind of turns my stomach.

It may turn your stomach, but that's a case for a parent to come in and guide them, not for the law to come in and label them sex offenders.

Met the ghost of Stephen Foster at the Hotel Paradise
This is what I told him as I gazed into his eyes
Ships are made for sinking, whisky made for drinking
If we were made of cellophane we'd all get stinking drunk much faster...

It's one of society's double standards. Women are thought of as "sluts" for too much sex, whereas men are scrutinized for both too much or too little.

Who is going by societies standards. I think this is this womans business, but whether she is a guy or a girl, it still imo disgusting. It has nothing to do with being a prude and more to do with over all general values of a community, and any that support this type of behavior, i can more than understand not wanting anything to do with this.

James Bond isn't a Hero either.

If at first choice is given, and then it was taken away, then it was never really a choice to begin with, similarly the same can be said true for any kind of rights or freedoms, these can never be privileges bestowed upon the few and denied to the many for it is a practice of tyranny. Never trust any man who feels you should beg nor ask to be treated fairly or to be respected.

Not advocating sex with a 13-year old, but having sex when both partners are 13 doesn't sound like the end of the world for me, though I still want to keep the age of consent at 15 years.

Also, I'm quite surprised how conservative people are about sex, I started pleasuring myself when I was like what, 10-11 years old? Then again, Swedes are generally known for being fairly casual about sex.

Who is going by societies standards. I think this is this womans business, but whether she is a guy or a girl, it still imo disgusting. It has nothing to do with being a prude and more to do with over all general values of a community, and any that support this type of behavior, i can more than understand not wanting anything to do with this.

Yeah, I can agree to that. It's not black and white, but there are cases where it's a symptom of something really wrong going on. Basically should be evaluated on a case-to-case basis.

Hmmm i dont know, actually i think its pretty normal for kids to start exploring sexuality, but there is a difference between innocent exploration and having watched porn and wanting to emulate it.

[if you are sensitive dont read past this]

I do recall the first... thing i ever licked was when i was 8 or 9? me and a girl friend were playing a game we made up when alone (our parents were good friends and would go out, so we both stayed together, we were same age) it basically consisted of catching a fish (with a blanket, like throw it on top of the other person) and then you would "eat" the fish, which in 99% of the times would be playbitting on tummy and stuff, but sometimes with giggling and twisting around you go to other parts.
Was 100% innocent though, i had no idea what sex was till.... 12? but its normal to be curious about each others bodies i think.
And kids will kiss and things like that, its normal i think.

Also worth noting that sexual precociousness can be an indicator of sexual abuse.

Never sexually abused, just emotionally. My 'precociousness' must just be nine years of Catholic School.

---------- Post added 2013-01-03 at 10:38 AM ----------

Originally Posted by Kurioxan

Hmmm i dont know, actually i think its pretty normal for kids to start exploring sexuality, but there is a difference between innocent exploration and having watched porn and wanting to emulate it.

[if you are sensitive dont read past this]

First time I was kissed (not relationship) by a girl I was actually very young (8). It was some game she and her friends were doing. Was literally a run-by kissing. I just stood there as the entire group of boys just laughed at my utter confusion.

I think the first time I ever kissed a girl I was maybe 4 years old. I remember it vividly, where it was, and I was totally convinced I was in love at the time. That emotion stayed with me as a platonic ideal for more than a decade afterwards.

Met the ghost of Stephen Foster at the Hotel Paradise
This is what I told him as I gazed into his eyes
Ships are made for sinking, whisky made for drinking
If we were made of cellophane we'd all get stinking drunk much faster...

Hence a very good case for proper sexual education and controlling children's access to porn before they can be properly educated.

Really? Is it normal? Does everyone does that?

I feel weird now. I mean, more weird than usual.

yeah it is normal to start exploring sexuality young, even though you have no idea what sexuality IS.
Most kids will start naturally masturbating between 8-12, will touch themselves around 4-6 (not masturbation, but scratching and stuff) which is why a lot of parents quickly go "dont do that", which in my view can cause problems as it makes a normal behaviour "dirty" but that is a whole other topic

Silly dares, silly games, accidents and so forth.
My first time... 14, although i deeply regret it and it scarred me for a couple of years.

Nothing like a pool of blood to arouse you, hm mhm hmmmm. and we didnt have much clue what we were doing, was more of curiosity and getting aroused which lead to it.

And no, you arent weird, everyone is different and depends on culture and contact.
Hard to explore it if you never had friends who dared or did games with.