i'm very offended that any of you would say i shouldn't be allowed to defend myself, and instead, i should have to entrust my own life to racist police departments who hate me simply for the color of my skin. that's what makes you gun control supporters racist.

i'm very offended that any of you would say i shouldn't be allowed to defend myself, and instead, i should have to entrust my own life to racist police departments who hate me simply for the color of my skin. that's what makes you gun control supporters racist.

Well, if you think that's what I was saying then your comprehension skills need some work. And if that's what you think then guns aren't going to save you from what is most likely a persecution complex.

What a dipstick. When I plan on taking a firearm to a gunshow, I make triple fucking sure that the firearm is empty before I put it in it's case. Gun safety is no joke and each one needs to be treated as if it is loaded at all times, real basic stuff that I was taught when I was about 6 or 7. The guy got what he deserved and I feel sorry for the other two caught in that dipshit's fire.

cancer, car deaths, aids, drinking driving are all bad things. No one is saying we should drop fighting all that and start taking peoples guns away.

but it is part of the problem. we are trying to deal with it.

Let us assert that people dying of unnatural causes is bad, and that steps should be taken to prevent that from happening. Let us define and isolate two factors in this scope:

1. Deaths from assault weapons.
2. Deaths from intoxicated driving.

I restrict Point #1 to assault weapons as that is what is being considered at the U.S. Federal level. Now let's look at some quick numbers:

1. Deaths from any type of rifle in 2011: ~367
2. Deaths from DUI accidents in 2011: 9,878

My assertion is that our focus on assault weapons is highly disproportionate to their impact on human life.

I wouldn't be just for banning those things. I would say ban all firearms.

Two can play that game. Deaths from driving while drinking 18 year old whiskey? ~ 300. I win!

I don't know how you plan to win this numbers game. What are they? There are 12000 HOMICIDES (that's intentional deaths. Not accidents, but intentional deaths), some number of suicides and a whole bunch of accidents from firearms. Total is over 30,000. In any case, while DUI deaths suck, they are not intentional (the killing part at least).

Last edited by juniper on Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:03 pm; edited 1 time in total

cancer, car deaths, aids, drinking driving are all bad things. No one is saying we should drop fighting all that and start taking peoples guns away.

but it is part of the problem. we are trying to deal with it.

Let us assert that people dying of unnatural causes is bad, and that steps should be taken to prevent that from happening. Let us define and isolate two factors in this scope:

1. Deaths from assault weapons.
2. Deaths from intoxicated driving.

I restrict Point #1 to assault weapons as that is what is being considered at the U.S. Federal level. Now let's look at some quick numbers:

1. Deaths from any type of rifle in 2011: ~367
2. Deaths from DUI accidents in 2011: 9,878

My assertion is that our focus on assault weapons is highly disproportionate to their impact on human life.

Yes but you forget the issue of dying from what is percieved as "chance occurence" and dying because another human takes your life. The other one is clearly worse, psychologically. But then when you awake to the fact that somebody can kill or harm you without actually shooting you, but by manipulating your predicament, it gets even creepier, because you don't know how to defend from that.

Without being aware of the full spectrum of it, one cannot make good judgement, and I think that is mcgruffs problem, because he has been conditioned that the government is unconditionally good. He cannot process the perspective of those who disagree, and argues semantics.

Some governments ARE better then the others, not perfect, but on the whole, good. Some are worse. The sleight of hand lies in the fact that Obama has BRANDED himself as good, when objectively he is the same shit as GWB was, and numerically, worse.

People get caught in the linguistics. After all, wasn't East Germany officially known as Deutsche Demokratische Republik?