According to an .ini file pulled from leaked Motorola USB drivers, the XT1058 will be accompanied by a device XT1060, which appears to be the CDMA variant of the XFON. The .ini file lists out chipsets and models numbers for devices to be picked up when using Motorola’s RSD lite application. For the XT1060 we’re seeing a chipset labeled “MSM8960CDMA,” a Snapdragon 4 Pro dual-core variant, similar to what we saw in the benchmark for the XT1058. We’re assuming it’s the Pro here clocked at 1.7GHz with the Adreno 320 GPU, and not the lower-regular version with the Adreno 225 GPU.

So this news shouldn’t surprise anyone, since manufacturers almost always try to keep phones as similar as possible these days when launching them on multiple carriers. This just means that Verizon (or even Sprint) isn’t going to see a wild change in processor when compared to the AT&T XFON.

MOTO needs to come out with a Quad-Core or they will be getting so far back they won’t recover,

VZWIndirect

So Motorola made a smaller, less powerful Nexus 4 copy?

Shoulda been the XFAIL instead.

NIGHTSCOUT

Releasing a dual-core phone, and trying to sell it as a top-end device, will be an automatic FAIL

jhouk

It’s articles and message threads like this that make DL truly entertaining to read. While Samsung and HTC fans are at each other’s throats to claim smartphone supremacy, Motorola fans are battling to defend the merits of Mid Range.
Anyway… Motorola reception? Dual core? 720p? 4.3″ screen? I’ve already got the Droid X2 so I’d have to take a pass on this one.

kg215

You do realize a dual core snapdragon is many times more powerful than the old dual cores in the phones like the Droid X2 right? Even a single core of the s4 would be many times more powerful than that. Same with the gpu. I agree though that if this is the only Motorola offering for awhile then PASS PASS PASS.

jhouk

I’m with you kg. Just pokin’ fun.

rodney11ride

with the exception of not having 4G lte…

rodney11ride

with the exception of not having 4G lte…

S.Scott Turgeon

My guess is as I’ve seen all the Verizon Motorola phones prices go down this will probably replace the Droid Razr m as a entry level device 99 dollars or less. I love my Droid Razr M contrary to what some people do I like my phone to talk and this phone sounds better than most peoples phones in their homes.
I’m sure this phone will be no exception because the radios in Motorola phones are second to none.
This isn’t a quad core 1080 P monster but I’m hoping Motorola will step it up, They are a really great company the buyout and the merger I think put things on hold and they lost their way and I think they’re exclusivity with Verizon helped them in the beginning but it hurts them now.
With AT&T I owned the Razr z9 with Verizon the Droid X was the best phone I ever had in my life the. The Droid Razr not so bad,the Droid Razr M I love!
They need a phone, a signature phone on all four carriers and it needs to be MAJOR!

ranlil

Dumb question…. If I’m off contract and want to purchase through VZW and keep unlimited, am I still paying subsidized rate plus the phone? Or is the rate adjusted for being off contract? I can handle a $200-$300 phone.

jackle

Only way to get the discounted phone price is to sign a new contract which would forfeit your unlimited data. In order to keep unlimited you have to buy the phone at full retail to avoid a contract extension, which will be like $700 for anything new.

Patrick Hermey

dont forget that verizon has the payment plan. one or two bills up front and then they split the remainder across the first twelve months. thus letting you keep the unlimited.

flosserelli

Even if you pay full retail for the phone, you don’t get a discount on the monthly service (if that is your question)

Henry Babcock

Awesome. Just give me 1)excellent Moto reception and 2)good battery life like 2500mah+ for these specs (the two major shortcomings of my G.Nexus), stock android without some moronic button layout like the S4 and One, and I’ll very gladly buy this for as much as $400. Anything less would be gravy. Keep my unlimited data and be good for at least another year.

4.5″+ screen preferred, but I’ll take 4.3 and the small form factor, with near bezel-less sides. 2gb ram please. At least 32gb storage. Of course SD would be nice but is highly unlikely. Other specs sound fine for this, S4 Pro will be plenty fast with 720p which is plenty good res for <4.6" screen/ better battery life/ better performance.

Overall this sounds like exactly what I want right now.

If I like it enough but want larger/higher specs, I can always sell it and upgrade to the full size/flagship XFON when it arrives in a few months.

Bionic

Haters gonna hate

Henry Babcock

Looks great to me (see my long post), just hoping it arrives on Verizon by early July. Then the full size xfon maybe in Sept/Oct. This sound about right?

Bionic

Yeah August sept oct is a good guess on the x phone timeline. Sadly not soon enough, especially if its sporting a year old CPU

Google CFO/Senior VP Patrick Pichette was not kidding when he said upcoming products were “not really to the standards that what Google would say is wow”…

Avery Dejuan Herron

I can get likes on this comment for no reason!

anguy

To the people who say this will be weak phone, look at those benchmarks again. This phone is right now SECOND fastest Android device after Nvidia console. Surely it is also because of having HD instead of full hd, but do you really believe it matters on 4-4.3 inch device?

ddevito

This phone better have or do something that knocks our socks off or this acquisition was Google’s biggest mistake since it’s inception.

jak_341

Most investors already say that. Of all the patents, none have proved useful. A lot of money investment sites say Google will be spinning it off sometime later this year. Especially if the rumors that Google is no longer involved in XPone development and has handed the reins back to Moto.

Guest

The next flagship phone for Motorola on Verizon will not be out until September at the earliest. Can’t imagine the phone that went through the FCC in May for AT&T is that phone. Highly doubt it takes them 4 months to change the radios. I don’t ask details on phones just when the next top of the line phone will be out for Verizon. And September is it as long as everything goes smoothly.

Geoff Johnson

Why is the title “Verizon XFON”, but the article only talks about it being available on AT&T?

LionStone

Second paragraph talks about a CDMA version… Verizon.

Pengwn

I don’t see why everyone is complaining over this device. One of the leaked details for Motorola’s lineup were two devices, a mid-range and flagship device. The specs on this phone are totally mid- range leaving the flagship phone to be leaked.

All we really know of this X phone is a codename. That’s it.

nvitone23

“All *you* really know of this X phone is a codename.” 😉

Rodeojones000

Assuming it’s priced as a mid-range device this’ll probably be my next phone. I have zero interest in the S4 or the One (assuming it ever comes to VZW). I’ll gladly use this phone for a bit until Google/Motorola finally release a flagship device or Verizon gets another Nexus.

Sounds like myself. This new Moto phone looks like a fun device to have for a while, or to use as a backup if Motorola decides to launch their flagship later in the year or into next year. Course, the only thing we don’t know is the price, but it shouldn’t be that terrible for a ~4.5″ device, hopefully.. which is just the screensize I like.

coolsilver

I’ve fallen off the X Phone hype. I’m looking at options for Samsung GS4 Google Edition. Just want something to be announced so I can rule out the X Phone completely.
Edit: I am buying off contract, I want beast phone that will be nice past two years. So downvote if you wish.

Jason Scofi

the keyword is nice past 2 years. this will be obsolete within a year. however, with the money you save (300 vs SGS4GE $600, you could buy the updated version of this phone next year, and still come in spending the same amount of money over 2 years.) two $300 phones vs one $600 phone

coolsilver

Very true. Though if this is going to have the “Google Experience” aka Nexus-like the GS4 will have… you won’t be buying a new phone for new software like the old smartphone model before android changed all that. IT will strictly be a hardware update. If the hardware is good it will last past a year or more. I already have a collection of obsolete phones. I don’t want to increase that by two-fold buying new all the time. Even if I used swappa, it still be hassle in my eyes.

kg215

yeah but then you gotta use the midrange device for a full year and the second midrange device won’t blow the SGS4 Google Edition away in terms of hardware (if it is better at all).

Pdiddy187

Where is Bionc on this topic? Blowing Sarge?

LiterofCola

you’re an idiot

nvitone23

If its snappy, then who gives a rat’s @$$ how many cores it has! You don’t even know the other specs. Give it a chance before you bash it! What difference will it make? One one-hundredth of a second?! Jeez…

Ian Smith

i think we’re all trippin about the cores because we all know what lag on android can be like. settle down buddy.

nvitone23

I’m quite alright to be honest, but everyone gets hung up on the number of cores like an optimized dual core processor is out of the question. An optimized dual core processor can outperform a quad core processor. If we are all gonna just look at the number of cores, then you may as well just buy the S4 simply for its gimmicky features and ignore what really matters. In the end, a quad core processor can just be another gimmick.

pappy53

You are right about dual-cores. Just look at the iPhone 5. It has a dual-core, and is as fast as just about anything out there, and has zero lag.
My Maxx HD had a little stutter, so I installed Nova Launcher. That improved it a lot. I don’t know if a quad-core would make a difference in it, as I have read that the S4 is lagging with the quad.

guest

damn dual core cellys, they still make those? thought we would be on mega cores by now, lol.

chris125

S4 it is then. What a let down

nvitone23

Remember, the X-Phone is coming out later, we are likely looking at VZW’s version of the “ghost”.

Releasing a phone takes time whether you like it or not. You don’t have to believe him, but just know that Sarge had always said it would be released mid to late Q3. If you choose to believe every last rumor that other sites put out there, you’re definitely gonna be disappointed. All those sites had it set in stone that it was gonna be on display for I/O and guess what? Motorola wasn’t even mentioned once. Have patience and you will get what you want. It IS coming.

Ian Smith

uhhh are you Sarge?

nvitone23

No, I am not, but I too have been in communication with him, so know that he is, in fact, real, and not just someone Bionic made up.

To prove your identity, please submit your SSN, bank account numbers and passwords, as well as all of your social media credentials to me, the president of the Bank of Nigeria.:P

Bionic

What is not to believe exactly? I have been telling you guys that there are two versions of X phone. This is one of them.

Ian Smith

well, for one thing: there’s no proof. but i sure hope everything you are saying is true – my gnex needs to be replaced soon. we’ll see in a few months.

Bionic

we’ll see, sarge has been quiet lately about motorola not to mention he is going through personal issues, so information is at a premium right now.

kg215

Well you could just be someone who is making a bunch of stuff up, that is what is not to believe. Sure you could be telling the truth right now but how are we supposed to verify it. Even somewhat well known blogs/journalists make stuff up all the time too and you aren’t even at that level. I hope you end up being right, and Motorola releases a high end phone after this but not holding my breath.

It’s crazy how this counts as a mid range device now lol Android is moving fast

Rune

If I can purchase this mid-range device through Google for $200-$300, while retaining my grandfathered unlimited data on Verizon, all of my expectations will be met. Would I like better specs in a new phone? Sure, but to get what we want (on-contract price for an off-contract phone) sacrifices must be made.

Rodeojones000

I’m 100% in agreement with you here.

sc4fpse

Exactly. Price, specs, unlimited data. While I would settle for a compromise on either of the first two, I would rather compromise on the specs, especially after paying full-price on release day for my GNex so I could save my unlimited data. But honestly, coming from my Galaxy Nexus, psychologically, these specifications aren’t much of a compromise. I would be very happy with this for $300 max.

Bigwavedave25

Aw, that sucks. I “renewed” my contract on release day for the GNex and had no issues keeping my unlimited data. At least you are free to go now, I still have another 8 months to go.

I do agree with both of you, would gladly trade some specs (that are still an upgrade from my current) for the ability to keep unlimited data!!

sc4fpse

Yeah, I’m free to go. But that doesn’t matter to me — I’m not leaving Verizon’s coverage and LTE network. Period. This plus unlimited data is so important to me that I’m actually still paying to maintain my unlimited data even while I’m overseas for an extended period of time (like, possibly years). I realize it’s quite likely they’ll cut off unlimited data at some point and I’ll have wasted lots of money, but in the event they don’t, I want to be prepared for when I return to the states.

Bigwavedave25

Not a bad plan at all, I totally understand your logic. Verizon is the best where I live and I have no intentions of swapping our plan either, full price here we come.
Hope you make it back safe.

sc4fpse

Thanks. 🙂

SA_NYC

Wow, that is hard core.

radiohead14

no verizon tramp stamp also please

Azn_Android

Speaking of tramp stamps, am I the only one who find the Motorola logo on this phone HIDEOUS? Like oh god this is worse than LG’s ugly logo or Samsung’s huge ass logo. ATLEAST CENTER THE DAMN THING. It angers the OCD in me. Hopefully that logo only remains for the prototypes… I really miss the type of logo they’ve been using in the Razr series (the metal band with Motorola written on it in black letters). Atleast that can be used as a notification light. /rant.

radiohead14

better yet.. no branding on the front at all.. just a small motorola logo on the back is sufficient.

I can ONLY afford to pay the bill. Not that I’m complaining about getting 4G in the woods, though.

michael arazan

Considering My Grand Fathered unlimited data is $30 a month, I can afford it on Vzw still.

Jason Scofi

i whole heartedly agree. IF you are on a family plan, there is work arounds for keeping unlimited data and getting a new phont at 2yr pricing. you have someone else on your plan upgrade, and then they revert back to using their old phone, and u activate that new one.

Kevin Hill

As long as we see a Adreno 320 GPU, it won’t really matter. Programs usually utilize only two cores, and the operating system is becoming more reliant on the GPU. Two cores is just enough to work perfectly, for a cheap price with still amazing battery life.

Sam Bithoney

It sounds good, until you realize still paying for the subsidy cost of your old VZW plan for that unlimited data. If they do sell this unlocked, and T-Mobile is an option for you, you can be in for about $30 less a month with them.

Alex Mette

I’ve got my verizon bill down to $49 for my line on a family plan. I always assumed when my contract runs up that I’d switch carriers (especially now that there’s a stock S4), but now I’m starting to question whether that’s the right choice. I can’t imagine a plan getting much cheaper than $49, especially with unlimited data.

As long as you are in good standing with Verizon and the phone has been released you can walk into any Verizon store and buy the phone at full retail and have them finance the phone in your bill similar to TMobile without effecting your contract. I know this is not as good as buying it on the Google Play store but it is a descent solution for me and will have to do as I can see myself leaving Verizon.

LiterofCola

What makes you certain that this is gonna be a mid-range phone?

S2556

The specs are leaked already and with a 720P display and dual core processor it is indeed mid-range. Could have been a high end smartphone last year but not this year, Looks like a very solid mid-range device though.

SA_NYC

Midrange just doesn’t seem like something that would be a fit with folks on this site…can’t say I’m not pretty bummed, after all these months of waiting and hoping.

S2556

Yeah I feel the same way.

Tyler Cameron

All it needs is a quad-core processor and it’d be high end.

j

Only idiots would complain about mid-range specs for a MID RANGE PHONE.

EC8CH

welcome to the internet

kg215

I think people didn’t know/want it to be a mid range phone. Doesn’t mean that it is definitely going to be midrange or that there won’t be a high end Motorola device too but it is disappointing if this is the main Motorola phone, low price or not.

i wanted to give you a point but your simple english was a deal breaker :/

ToddAwesome

you serious Clark?

Tim242

I’m with you there. I don’t know why these people like their screen space wasted.

Sean Wood

Obviously i’m the only one that has an issue paying for a device that’s advertised to have screen size X and in all actuality it’s size X-1/2inch… it’s wasted space… It’d be different if more developers were making apps that dropped them out to dots to utilize the full screen.. gaming and typing suck with on screen buttons.. I was always hitting them and backing out of the game or inadvertently going back to the home screen on my G-Nex…and NO i’m not particularly fond of actual physical buttons I really prefer just regular capacitive off screen buttons… Currently have the S3 and the home button is a speed bump but atleast I can utilize the full 4.8″ screen realestate I paid for.

Jason Scofi

the buttons go away on the gnex during videos/movies.

Sean Wood

That’s right…. SOME…
Google should just buck up and make it default in the OS that if you go into any app other than the launcher the onscreen buttons drop down to the “dots” format rather than making it optional for developer implementation…

tomn1ce

they should make them customizable or bake LMT/or PIE into the OS so we can do as we please with the nav buttons. That would be nice…I use LMT on my G-Nexus with no major issues.

MichaelFranz

mhmm…still a qualcomm device, wonder if the bootloader unlock method will work for this…

EC8CH

I love the Google Nexus design style, and for a mid range phone seems like pretty respectable specs, plus with the lightest skin possible seems like the next best thing to an actual nexus device.

I hope they keep this up and release a flagship level device along these lines later in the year.

Big question left for me is how open will it be when it lands on Verizon.

Sexy, and stockish phone from Moto is a great thing. So, it is mid-tier, there is a market for that, and though many of here won’t buy the device, it should sell well, and that is great. Moto needs to be profitable, not just satiate us geeks.

I don’t see why they can’t have a top-tier phone that does both. Not to demean mid-tier phones, but I really am hoping for a google/moto spec monster of a flagship. Something more on par with the S4 and One. That is what I would be emptying my wallet for.

nvitone23

In time, you will get what you want. The two phones after the X-phone will be beasts.

Futbolrunner

Just like that Bionic? I’ve been waiting for Moto to push a beast device, but it’s been years.

nvitone23

Yea well, they definitely F’ed up the Bionic, no question. But I don’t know if you can exactly blame them for not putting out anything recently, as their whole company was in trouble. Google bought them out and they SHOULD be on track now. At least you are seeing something come out of them. That’s a good sign of what is to come…

kg215

Yup Motorola has almost always been behind the competition. Screens, Cameras, Processors, etc. Motorola has always been ahead (IMO) in build quality and reception but you have to pair that with hardware/software that people want.

I am not sure how much I buy into the whole Bionic/Sarge bit, but it does make a bit of sense that if they were going to make a mid-tier, and top-tier device, the mid-tier would likely be released first.

Tim242

He keeps calling it the mini. No company has ever released a mini version first.

nvitone23

doesn’t mean it’s not possible…

EC8CH

I really don’t understand why it matter what comes out first.

With this phone you can see the direction Moto is taking on a mid tiered device. At some point they will need to release a flagship phone, and if they follow the same path as this device, moving toward a more stock ui and more Nexus like exterior design, I for one will be happy.

nvitone23

And honestly, how many people are going to buy a “mini” phone knowing that an upgraded one is out? If you do the “mini” first, people will buy it, not knowing an upgraded one is coming. That way, you sell more of the “mini” devices.

Do people know another one is coming, though? Moto has never released a phone, then released a better version soon after. Cough, Razr, cough.

kg215

The problem with that strategy is you will infuriate consumers and Motorola does not have too many of those to spare. When you sell a ton of products then you can trick people like that and be okay, Motorola needs to win back a lot of people first.

Brian Menius

Yeah, and the Grizzlies have never made it to the Western Conference Finals before.

… oh.

Tim242

You are comparing a fluke for a basketball team to responsible business practice?

Brian Menius

You are really trying to back up a baseless reason for why Motorola can’t possibly do what’s implied here?

Tim242

What came first, the RAZR Max, or the RAZR M? S3, or S3 mini? S4, or S4 mini? One X, or One S, V, SV? Companies release the “flagship” first.

Brian Menius

Sure- I don’t dispute that. I was merely pointing out that “it’s never been done this way before” isn’t a justifiable reason for why it won’t be done that way this time around. Maybe they’ll still release the flagship first. Maybe they won’t.

The Razr M was available for purchase 3 weeks before the RAZR HD. Also it is very possible that Moto is holding off a flagship until the 800 is available in 2H2013. As such they can release a mid-range device to show their direction and start generating buzz. They can get some serious good will and word of mouth advertising by nailing a mid range device.

jak_341

In a time where quad core is the norm and octo core is coming, Motorola is pushing dual core with a 2012 chip? Are they trying to become irrelevant?

EC8CH

Maybe the core count spec is becoming a marketing gimmick?

Big EZ

Not every phone has to be top tier. This is a mid range device.

Eric

Not every consumer cares about quadcore and other high-end specs…of course we are different since most of us commenting here prefer flagship devices with great specs.

He said there would be two. A mid-range device (which he seems to have described perfectly) and a high end device that we haven’t seen yet.

Dylan Patel

He didn’t describe it perfectly. He constantly said it would have the S4 Pro which it definitely does not.

Butters619

We’re assuming it’s the Pro here clocked at 1.7GHz with the Adreno 320 GPU, and not the lower-regular version with the Adreno 225 GPU.

Uh yes it does. The other leak had evidence of the S4 Pro

Dylan Patel

Look at the part number. That tells you it is a S400…

Butters619

MSM8960 could be either the 8960 (S4) or 8960T (S4 Pro). There is no Snapdragon 400 with that model number.

Dylan Patel

MSM890 is the S400 look at Qualcomm’s namings.

Butters619

You can wikipedia this or look at their freaking specs if you don’t believe. 8960 is either S4 or S4 Pro. Trust me on this one

Dylan Patel

They changed their naming scheme…. Wikipedia page has not been updated…. It is using the S400 which took the 8960 name. Read up on their announcement of the S 200, 400, 600, and 800 and you would see I am right.

why? the OS is optimized for dual-core anyway. the snappiest and least laggy device i have ever used is the Nexus 10, which is a dual-core.

ScoobySnack

All the quad-cored devices I’ve owned or toyed with have kicked ass- vanilla Android or not. The dual-cored have sucked- slow, lagging, disappointing. I haven’t used a Jelly Bean dual-core Nexus device yet, so maybe bloatware is the issue.

This XFON doesn’t appear to be running vanilla Android and is only running a dual core. I recommend avoiding it.

nvitone23

According to Sarge, it is Blur, however the new Blur for Motorola’s devices will be 95% vanilla Android with only 5% of Motorola’s influence.

Ronaldo

SARGE!!!!!!!

EC8CH

You rang?

Jason Scofi

i want to agree. although i have hated my experince on my transformer prime and infinitys.

That said. If Google wants Motorola to make a splash a premier flagship device would probably need to be at least quad core if for nothing else marketing. Your typical user won’t want to hear… “We have less cores but they’re optimized”… Lol. They just wouldn’t know the difference so would end up going with the device which on paper looks better. Now if these dual core phones are for the mid tier line up they look good. If the rumors about “being able to customize the device for what you want” are true maybe the dual core chip set is just a starting point. Only time will tell.

Radgatt

I’m waiting to hear something official at this point.

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