This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!! : Libertarianhttp://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/This subreddit is for both philosophical and political libertarians of all kinds including, but not limited to the various "types" listed below. It is in no way aligned with the Libertarian Party. /r/Libertarian is a community to discuss free markets and free societies with free minds. As such, we truly believe in spontaneous order and don't formally regulate content (A practice encouraged by site reddiquette).http://www.reddit.com/B2cXH1Q9vYpmcx96.pngThis congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!! : Libertarianhttp://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/Thu, 29 Nov 2012 03:11:47 -0800<table> <tr><td> <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/"><img src="http://b.thumbs.redditmedia.com/RBEm2JmEqmLTH-Dg.jpg" alt="This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!" title="This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!" /></a> </td><td> submitted by <a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/stupdizbu"> stupdizbu </a> <br/> <a href="http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/28/15518240-congress-to-make-history-but-for-the-wrong-reason?lite">[link]</a> <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/">[264 comments]</a> </td></tr></table>This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78jp6qgoans314 on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78jp6q2012-11-29T05:03:15.036056-08:00How many laws were repealed?http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78mzzm[deleted] on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78mzzm2012-11-29T08:56:47.518978-08:00If they pass a law repealing another law, that is also called a law. Law in the legislative sense means a bill approved by Congress, not the common usage of the word, which is something like &quot;a rule to be obeyed.&quot;http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78r2lr[deleted] on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78r2lr2012-11-29T12:33:27.753038-08:00That still doesn't answer the question. How many laws were repealed.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78s8ci[deleted] on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78s8ci2012-11-29T13:34:10.047089-08:00I don't know. I only meant to make a point about legislation in general. I'd imagine that answer could be found somewhere like data.gov, but I'm guessing it would be a pain to sift through the data.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78w80mgoans314 on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78w80m2012-11-29T17:27:05.371074-08:00like the 21st amendmenthttp://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78qls2Corvus133 on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78qls22012-11-29T12:08:23.772248-08:00That answers the question I had written down but didn't submit. Thanks!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78m5l7Gadsden on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78m5l72012-11-29T08:10:07.020955-08:00As many dollars that were cut from the deficit.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78mwcrchiguy on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78mwcr2012-11-29T08:51:20.076764-08:00So 200 million?http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78nswkZifnab25 on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78nswk2012-11-29T09:40:48.984185-08:00200 billion, actually.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78qwd6chiguy on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78qwd62012-11-29T12:24:21.886247-08:00D'oh!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78jwz7Manhattan0532 on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78jwz72012-11-29T05:26:43.554424-08:00&gt; If government is doing bad things it's only the waste that keeps the harm from being greater. ~Milton Friedmanhttp://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kcxnthekaleb on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kcxn2012-11-29T06:07:40.637276-08:00I thought that having two different parties in both houses of congress would be a good thing, but the presidential reaction to this was to sign more executive orders.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kx7sSaintarium on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kx7s2012-11-29T06:50:59.820467-08:00exactly. When a branch advocates its power that power is not lost or unused, its picked it up by another branch. This has been happening for a long time congress has lost its clear war declaring power, its tight financial control and now its loosing its power to actually legislate....http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78mnpkthekaleb on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78mnpk2012-11-29T08:38:13.099414-08:00It was already ceding some of that to the SCOTUS.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kmyhIllinois_Jones on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kmyh2012-11-29T06:29:59.873369-08:00You know a system is corrupt when the only evaluation the people in charge receive is based on how busy they make themselves lookhttp://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78r4eh[deleted] on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78r4eh2012-11-29T12:36:06.308309-08:00Compared to the workers they are taxing, congressmen aren't very busy. Edit: Unless you add campaigning for reelection.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78t082richmomz on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78t0822012-11-29T14:15:38.771944-08:00Many of them hardly do anything but socialize (for both personal and professional reasons). Most of the actual work is done by clerks and interns, and voting is generally dictated by whatever their respective majority/minority leader tells them to do. The Congressmen that actually take their representative role seriously are few and far between.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78j7zjhugolp on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78j7zj2012-11-29T04:01:44.869672-08:00Everybody should keep in mind that every citizen has the obligation of knowing the law and not knowing it is no excuse when acused of crime. I guess almost everybody in the country knows these 200 laws. I wonder if the guys at msnbc know them.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kfsradrenah on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kfsr2012-11-29T06:14:09.906692-08:00I don't think the people who passed them know them...http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78qcwq[deleted] on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78qcwq2012-11-29T11:55:25.440131-08:00As nancy pelosi famously put it &quot;we have to pass the law before we know whats in it&quot;http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78nli3keyboardlover on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78nli32012-11-29T09:29:53.160401-08:00Also, 200 laws being passed should not make ANY Libertarian happy. ZERO is the only number I can live with.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78okslJoCoLaRedux on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78oksl2012-11-29T10:21:23.995861-08:00Being happy about Congress only passing 200 laws is like being happy that you only lost fifty bucks at the casino.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78rzaafucema on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78rzaa2012-11-29T13:20:33.902871-08:00Given the amount of money I have lost sometimes due to a bad run at the poker table, losing only 50 bucks can be a good thing.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78tb9yEtchii on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78tb9y2012-11-29T14:32:37.011399-08:007 out... =(http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78nwu7mascan on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78nwu72012-11-29T09:46:37.227308-08:00What about laws repealing laws?http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78o1drSeizure-Man on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78o1dr2012-11-29T09:53:08.657348-08:00http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3ryx8p/http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78xivbJack_Vermicelli on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78xivb2012-11-29T18:49:16.258480-08:00&gt; ZERO is the only number I can live with. How about -5? Or -200?http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78xkxpkeyboardlover on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78xkxp2012-11-29T18:52:50.035417-08:00Getting closer...http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78qst4SAugsburger on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78qst42012-11-29T12:18:58.244198-08:00So society never changes and laws never need to be updated? Not saying that Congress doesn't make up a lot of unneeded laws, but I think that the suggestion that laws never should be revisited seems absurd.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ta0pzxcv73 on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ta0p2012-11-29T14:30:36.845826-08:00How could anyone live with out new laws every year? It would be chaos in the streets!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ts8jkeyboardlover on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ts8j2012-11-29T14:58:47.915168-08:00I think the suggestion that congress can solve existing problems by creating *more* laws is pretty absurd personally.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78w2yqSAugsburger on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78w2yq2012-11-29T17:17:59.790817-08:00What does updating existing laws have to do with making more laws?http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78osxm[deleted] on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78osxm2012-11-29T10:33:12.548732-08:00what a moronic stance. Why are you such an extremist nutjob?http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78s7q0TheSpaghetti_Monster on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78s7q02012-11-29T13:33:14.274494-08:00ZERO huh? That's a little extreme. I could see maybe like 15 at the least, but some things do need laws.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ofx7MHOLMES on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ofx72012-11-29T10:14:28.485619-08:00[Read the Bills Act](https://secure.downsizedc.org/etp/rtba/)http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78nltyparkowork on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78nlty2012-11-29T09:30:21.971765-08:00They had to pass them to see what's in them. ZING!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78r6bp[deleted] on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78r6bp2012-11-29T12:38:48.477954-08:00They don't. As a tax accountant, I can promise you they have no idea what they are passing. It's super complicated even for someone who does taxes for a living.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78my4s[deleted] on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78my4s2012-11-29T08:54:00.649647-08:00Let's keep in mind that these are not &quot;laws&quot; in the sense we normally think of them. The vast majority are not criminal law and most do not restrict our liberties in any traditional sense. A bill which reduces regulation is a law. So is a bill that changes funding to schools. I'm not saying our legislation-crazy government is on the right track. Just want to add some perspective.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lwgjPopular-Uprising- on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lwgj2012-11-29T07:55:05.983034-08:00Isn't the going theory that the average person commits 3 felonies a day? Even if you're living as pure as you can and obeying every law that a human can possibly obey, you're almost certainly committing at least 1 felony a year. Given the statute of limitations for most felonies, it's likely that every single person could be jailed for months or even years any time the government decides that they want to investigate or prosecute them. We are all slaves with the illusion of some petty freedoms.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78n9li[deleted] on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78n9li2012-11-29T09:11:51.387965-08:00Yep, I smoked weed, drove my car with my interlock device and I had firearms in my vehicle, while on the Salt River Indian reservation last night. That's like 13 felonies or something.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78reg5David_Crockett on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78reg52012-11-29T12:50:32.827823-08:00interlock device?http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78rsj7[deleted] on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78rsj72012-11-29T13:10:37.716555-08:00It's an instrument installed in a car to prevent those who have been convicted of &quot;Driving under the influence[of alcohol]&quot;. Basically a breathalyzer that measures alcohol content of the driver, and if you pass the &quot;test&quot; you can drive. I got mine though, for driving under the influence of pot. I don't drink. :\ FMLhttp://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78rtnpDavid_Crockett on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78rtnp2012-11-29T13:12:17.298150-08:00So you can only drive a vehicle that has that installed? Seems you could easily circumvent that.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78rw5s[deleted] on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78rw5s2012-11-29T13:15:55.616112-08:00Well, since I'm so stubborn and not a drunkard, I drive my girlfriends car more often than my truck. The device has a mini-usb port to plug into a computer and I found the software to be able to disable the device all together, but there are change logs that I don't know how to alter. I could get into big trouble if I tamper with it. Hell, it took me a year and a half to get the thing installed after sentencing from the judge and during that time, I was driving with a suspended license.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78tejlowigotprcd on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78tejl2012-11-29T14:37:41.295861-08:00I don't get it. You were busted with pot but have to have controls on you car as if busted for Alc.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78uo7m[deleted] on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78uo7m2012-11-29T15:51:10.552171-08:00Yup, pretty much. I've met several other people who have had the same &quot;punishment&quot; too, under the same pretext. I asked the judge if I could opt out and do 500+ hours of community service instead. Still was handed to me. No accident, no alcohol in my system and no corpus delicti. Fucking waste of resources in my opinion. :\http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78rkilOfficerMudkip on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78rkil2012-11-29T12:59:24.470346-08:00Naw dude you were on Indian territory. Totally legal.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78m397ninjaviolinist on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78m3972012-11-29T08:06:24.292366-08:00&gt;the average person commits 3 felonies a day Source?http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78m50vSubjugator on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78m50v2012-11-29T08:09:14.261711-08:00There is a book called &quot;three felonies a day&quot;, but I'm not sure who the author is of the top of my head.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78omfhPatargh on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78omfh2012-11-29T10:23:49.318278-08:00The irony of me downloading this PDF straight to my iPad is uncanny.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78no3vZifnab25 on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78no3v2012-11-29T09:33:43.185063-08:00http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704471504574438900830760842.html &gt; Mr. Silverglate describes several cases in which prosecutors didn't understand or didn't want to understand technology. This problem is compounded by a trend that has accelerated since the 1980s for prosecutors to abandon the principle that there can't be a crime without criminal intent. ... case in point ... &gt; A Saudi student in Idaho was charged in 2003 with offering &quot;material support&quot; to terrorists. He had operated Web sites for a Muslim charity that focused on normal religious training, but was prosecuted on the theory that if a user followed enough links off his site, he would find violent, anti-American comments on other sites. In all fairness, I suspect a lot of this is simply the result of a thin court precedent regarding internet communication. If a guy in LA looks at a picture of a naked girl hosted from a website in NY, does that make every router linking the two guilty of &quot;trafficking in child pornography&quot;? Technically, yes. Does Comcast or AT&amp;T have criminal prosecution pending on the matter? I don't think so. But the whole reason we have a judiciary is to sort out law-as-written from actual criminal or civil culpability. Alternately, you could suggest a legislative patch, or even a full-blown repeal of certain laws, to address flat-out bad laws. But it's a bit silly to be worried about the simple size of the legal code, since any repair you planned to make (even a repeal) would technically only lengthen it.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78rxokanon47 on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78rxok2012-11-29T13:18:11.709403-08:00I let one of my relatives drive my car back to their house and didn't even think about the multiple loaded guns in the car from going to the shooting range earlier that day. It was legal for me to drive the car with loaded guns in the glovebox due to my ccw permit in that state, but a big no no for anyone that doesn't. I don't think its possible to own a car, gun or a computer and not commit felonies. People are human and your going to forgot something and it only has to happen once.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ni8uZifnab25 on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ni8u2012-11-29T09:25:00.840861-08:00&gt; I guess almost everybody in the country knows these 200 laws. A lot of these laws are &quot;Let's name the Post Office after the local Senator&quot; and &quot;Time to renew budget item / tax cut / bureaucratic function XYZ for another 2 years.&quot; So much of Congress's time is spent on doing the trivial (&quot;Let's pass a resolution celebrating Mother's Day!&quot;) or routine (&quot;Let's make sure driving across state lines to murder people is still illegal!&quot;) So when you hear &quot;Congress has ground to a halt&quot;, what they're really saying is &quot;Some judge isn't going to get appointed for the 47th court of appeals because Senator Jackass (R/D-Fly Over Country) is demanding his state get $10M in pork before he'll let it through.&quot; Case in point: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/02/report-shelby-blocks-all-obama-nominations-in-the-senate-over-al-earmarks.php &gt;&gt; According to the report, Shelby is holding Obama’s nominees hostage until a pair of lucrative programs that would send billions in taxpayer dollars to his home state get back on track. So unless you're a big fan of government spending and political extortion, this isn't exactly something to cheer over.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78r0o5BrutePhysics on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78r0o52012-11-29T12:30:39.584802-08:00This is definitely something to remember. Not every bill voted on is &quot;big omnibus of rights restriction&quot; bill. Some of these things are actually quite benign and relevant to keeping things running smoothly.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78oeqtMHOLMES on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78oeqt2012-11-29T10:12:47.768816-08:00That's not entirely true. It is what the state claims when it suits them, but judges should know better. Ignorance of a law is no excuse has to do with actual law, like don't hurt other people. Not bs arbitrary statutes. Ironically, when judges tells people charged with a victimless &quot;crime&quot;, or &quot;crime&quot; against the state, and they tell the accused that ignorance of the law is no excuse, it almost never would apply to the accused, but would apply to the judge, and fellow state agents, that are harassing the individual. &quot;Just following orders&quot; is no excuse to violating the rights of others.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78su89baddox on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78su892012-11-29T14:06:44.996691-08:00&gt; not knowing it is no excuse when acused of crime That's too bad, because it's probably physically impossible to know every law in the United States.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78m9keilluminutcase on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78m9ke2012-11-29T08:16:25.561868-08:00That's not true. You only need to know the laws that pertain to you. If you don't drive, you don't need to know how far behind someone you're supposed to travel, if you don't drill for oil, you don't need to know how much mercury you're allowed to use in the process, and if you're not a builder, you don't need to know how far apart beams in a wall need to be. You *can* know those things if you want, but you don't have an obligation.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78mbe1[deleted] on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78mbe12012-11-29T08:19:19.253274-08:00But what if you don't know there are laws about certain things, and you start doing them? You essentially have to know every law to be prepared for anything you might do.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78nrr6Zifnab25 on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78nrr62012-11-29T09:39:02.504391-08:00&gt; But what if you don't know there are laws about certain things, and you start doing them? That's why we have licenses. Before you can operate a car, you need a driver's license. And in order to get a driver's license, you need to demonstrate adequate knowledge of driving laws. Same thing with gun ownership in many states. For all people complain about licenses, its as much to protect the licensed individual as it is anyone else. Beyond that, there's a certain expectation of innate moral compass and a level of civics education. So &quot;How was I supposed to know car-jacking is illegal?!&quot; And even beyond that, courts tend to be more lenient towards first-time offenders, since a car-jacker might know he is committing a crime, but he wouldn't necessarily know it was such a terrible crime. That is why we have all sorts of rules about prohibition and flexible sentencing guidelines and optional community service and special sentences for children, rather than discrete &quot;Crime X gets punishment Y, the end&quot; laws.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78mex1illuminutcase on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78mex12012-11-29T08:24:44.786678-08:00&gt;You essentially have to know every law to be prepared for anything you might do. Knowing every law, no. Being prepared for anything you might do, yes. Trust me, you're never going to accidentally violate a land usage law by drilling for oil where you're not supposed to... *unless you actually drill for oil*. So if you decide to drill for oil in your back yard, you might want to know the laws. If you never plan on drilling for oil, you can sleep easy at night even if you don't know all of the laws, because there's no way you can violate them.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ms1w[deleted] on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ms1w2012-11-29T08:44:49.371227-08:00I know what you're saying but what I meant was this: What if one day I decide to just drill for oil in my backyard (or more realistically, in a ranch I own), without having any reason to think there are laws about it? I mean, it's my own property, so it's common sense that I should be able to do what I want, right? Maybe this example is a bit ridiculous, but I'm the point is that there are plenty of seemingly innocuous things you might do which inadvertantly break laws, or have laws written about them. Maybe you wouldn't have to read *all* the laws, but it seems like you might as well when the alternative is scouring the lawbooks before doing *literally anything.*http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78mzrpilluminutcase on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78mzrp2012-11-29T08:56:30.332720-08:00&gt;I mean, it's my own property, so it's common sense that I should be able to do what I want, right? Not really. Generally the rules are there to keep you from screwing other people's stuff up. If we're talking about drilling for oil, there are laws and regulations that keep you from doing things like poisoning the water system, leaking crude oil into streams, or blowing up yourself and all your neighbors. &gt;Maybe this example is a bit ridiculous It's not really. There are tons of really obscure things that you will NEVER encounter. You don't have to know those laws. Hugolp was saying you're obligated to know every law. You're not obligated to know them, you're just obligated to know the ones that pertain to you.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78nmakEricWRN on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78nmak2012-11-29T09:31:03.437932-08:00&gt;Generally the rules are there to keep you from screwing other people's stuff up. If Couldn't agree less. And while you did name a handful of select rationales for *some* laws, you seem to be overlooking the numerous laws that serve no other purpose than protecting special interest groups/ businesses, making the &quot;mob&quot; feel safer, and financing the government.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78mnmgwestayfree on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78mnmg2012-11-29T08:38:03.268300-08:00Pretty selfish way of thinking of you really get down to it. If a law is unjust and hurting a specific type of industry or a group of people, should &quot;outsiders&quot; know about it and maybe fight to assist those people in getting the unjust law appealed?http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78n2hiilluminutcase on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78n2hi2012-11-29T09:00:38.049601-08:00They can if they want. I was saying you're not obligated to know them. No one is going to bust down your door and arrest you because you don't know how long grocery stores are allowed to keep carrots on the shelf. But if you feel compelled to find out how long grocery stores keep carrots on the shelf, you can do that. If you disagree with that law, you can fight to get it changed. I'm not sure what I said to make you think I was implying that you shouldn't know other laws. I even said you &quot;You can know those things if you want.&quot; Maybe you just stopped reading after the first paragraph. In that case you probably won't see this paragraph either.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78pfxjimagineyouarebusy on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78pfxj2012-11-29T11:07:05.543884-08:00All I want to know, is at what point they think we will be done, having written sufficient laws to cover everything.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78qvbbSAugsburger on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78qvbb2012-11-29T12:22:46.340320-08:00Unless society stops changing, never. That is even if we ignore appropriations, which obviously need to be revisited every fiscal year. Laws will always need to be updated to reflect things that the original laws didn't consider. While I think Congress wastes a lot of time on trivial or stupid laws to suggest that there is some point that we will ever reach a point that we never need to amend existing laws seems silly.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78r5jiimagineyouarebusy on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78r5ji2012-11-29T12:37:43.746286-08:00You completely miss the irony and sarcasm in my comment.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78r5pg[deleted] on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78r5pg2012-11-29T12:37:58.206030-08:00If I knew every law, my brain would explode.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78k00xgodlameroso on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78k00x2012-11-29T05:35:26.683758-08:00Of course we need far more obscure laws to pass that way more people can be labeled criminals and keep our for profit prison corporations in business. Think of America before you commit that felony.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78mm7zurnbabyurn on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78mm7z2012-11-29T08:35:54.178803-08:00&gt;only passed 200 **changes** to laws I'm sure you still want better governance over no changes to governance. Did we happen to get all our laws right by 2010?http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78rlkcteejvalley on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78rlkc2012-11-29T13:00:52.563995-08:00As a fellow libertarian, your headline sounds ridiculous. We can't act like doing nothing about an economic mess is a good thing no matter how much we're turned off by big government. We should be passing more laws; fixing outrageous regulations, reducing taxes and loopholes, and most importantly providing more rights to the lesser groups in our society. Passing no laws is a bad thing, libertarian or not. Get it righthttp://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c793k4adarthhayek on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c793k4a2012-11-30T05:22:33.181434-08:00Doing nothing? They passed dozens of laws.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78onxqgrahampositive on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78onxq2012-11-29T10:25:58.764144-08:00I'm no fan of arbitrarily passing a ton of laws- and i think its entirely foolish to equate the efficacy of a legislative body with the number of laws it passes. That being said, I blame our dysfunctional congress for its inability to pass a balanced budget in recent history. Their ineptitude is crippling our country and retarding progress and recovery.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78vglvSubjugator on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78vglv2012-11-29T16:38:48.231901-08:00Their ineptitude is what caused the mess in the first place, I wouldn't hold my breath expecting them to fix it.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78pu7cwakko666 on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78pu7c2012-11-29T11:27:44.044758-08:00This article is missing one key data point: the size and scope of each bill being passed. I suspect that the main reason there are fewer total laws being passed is, at least in part, due to the fact that many of them are 1000+ page tomes all mashed together into singular omnibus bills. Thus, while less bills are being passed, I suspect that the same number of actual regulatory changes are, in fact, still being passed.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ixtyFaceh on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ixty2012-11-29T03:14:29.335541-08:00The joys of gridlock. Although I'm no fan of the GOP, they've been doing a suberb job of stopping congress from spending my money.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78k6lvorge on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78k6lv2012-11-29T05:52:18.338226-08:00You do realize that if they don't pass anything soon, your taxes will go up. Don't pretend that all they do is increase the size of gov.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78jfiyEtiennedeLaBoetie on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78jfiy2012-11-29T04:30:31.671326-08:00&gt;Although I'm no fan of the GOP, they've been doing a suberb job of stopping congress from spending my money. LOL...are you serious with that?http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78jgieFaceh on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78jgie2012-11-29T04:34:06.943524-08:00Haven't passed any spending increases, have they? Just business as usually.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78jin0EtiennedeLaBoetie on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78jin02012-11-29T04:41:28.519184-08:00&gt;Just business as usually. 'Business as usual' in Congress inherently consists of spending increases. Where have you been?http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78jlprFaceh on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78jlpr2012-11-29T04:51:58.900586-08:00I'm not under the illusion that they're *cutting* spending, but my impression was that most of the proposed spending increases, particularly by the Democrats, were not even seeing a vote.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78jmvaEtiennedeLaBoetie on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78jmva2012-11-29T04:55:46.447259-08:00Two things: 1) Observe the average Republican's response when someone proposes cuts to the military and/or agriculture subsidies. 2)No one has to 'propose' spending increases thanks to [this](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseline_%28budgeting%29) little gem.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lnt0Porojukaha on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lnt02012-11-29T07:40:28.633087-08:00You don't know many republicans do you? Observe the average Fox News sheep's response.... FTFY There are a lot of different types of republicans and lots of us don't watch Faux News.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lrnaEtiennedeLaBoetie on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lrna2012-11-29T07:47:09.546375-08:00Okay then, which Republicans are you referring to? There are a couple exceptions, but Republicans fit the above description pretty damn well.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78nbl3heterosapian on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78nbl32012-11-29T09:14:57.898356-08:00I think this is fairly accurate as well. Republicans are reckless military spenders, Democrats are reckless spenders everywhere else. If only there was another choice...http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78n053chiguy on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78n0532012-11-29T08:57:00.532707-08:00I think he's referring to republicans who are elected and affect policyhttp://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78mqyxwestayfree on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78mqyx2012-11-29T08:43:10.646136-08:00You are correct that the cuts the Democrats were proposing (as well as some Republicans) were only cuts to the proposed increases.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78khj1TitoTheMidget on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78khj12012-11-29T06:18:02.330017-08:00&gt;Haven't passed any spending increases, have they? How much have you read about the &quot;fiscal cliff?&quot; Because that's something that seriously needs to be addressed...we're about to see some pretty major tax hikes.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lp90Porojukaha on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lp902012-11-29T07:43:01.203001-08:00Because, as we all know from watching the progression of Greece, tax hikes are *really* the way to fix your problems, *especially* when you are cutting spending. Doesn't piss the average citizen off *at all* and it *totally* helps to fix the situation and is not at all counterproductive. That is why Greece is so mercifully stable today and not slowly being taken over by the Nazi party.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78mailTitoTheMidget on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78mail2012-11-29T08:17:57.648591-08:00...Which is why I'd like to see the government do something to stop the tax hikes from happening. Instead of, you know, doing nothing and letting them happen.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78nbsvCafeComLeite on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78nbsv2012-11-29T09:15:16.740457-08:00That's why you shoul cut both taxes and spending.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ly6nPopular-Uprising- on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ly6n2012-11-29T07:58:02.866008-08:00&quot;Obamacare&quot; itself raises taxes significantly. Almost all of those taxes will be paid for indirectly by the poor and middle classes.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78m9whTitoTheMidget on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78m9wh2012-11-29T08:16:58.371774-08:00Cool? What's your point as it relates to the fiscal cliff? I think we can all agree Obamacare will be expensive.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78l5ovwellactuallyhmm on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78l5ov2012-11-29T07:07:41.117918-08:00Spending increases have continued as usual, its the means of financing those increases that haven't been addressed.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78mvrmsunthas on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78mvrm2012-11-29T08:50:30.817939-08:00The Farm bill probably had an increase in it right? I know food stamps went up, did they cut that from farm subsidies?http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78khh0Dash275 on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78khh02012-11-29T06:17:54.009414-08:00Uh, just because they can't agree on anything doesn't mean tax money isn't being spent. They've been without a federal budget for about three years and they're still finding new ways to waste money.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kbiyyep45 on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kbiy2012-11-29T06:04:24.949885-08:00We're at historically low levels of spending growth, which is great, but unfortunately Obama will be able to take credit for that accomplishment as his own as evidence that he is, in fact, fiscally responsible. Kind of like how Clinton gets credit for the balanced budgets, and Gingrich gets know for being that wife-cheating scumbag (ironic, no?)http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lywtPopular-Uprising- on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lywt2012-11-29T07:59:13.841939-08:00When the majority of media doesn't report on something or reports falsely, people are misinformed. One of the first steps in controlling a population is controlling the flow of information.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78p962yep45 on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78p9622012-11-29T10:57:10.005830-08:00also, the culture. Our popular culture is currently heavily geared towards advancing a progressive point of view.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78pnfnPopular-Uprising- on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78pnfn2012-11-29T11:17:53.425958-08:00The culture is the way it is due, largely, to our education system. It was captured generations ago and is another major pillar in controlling the population.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lfo8Gemini4t on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lfo82012-11-29T07:25:57.504844-08:00Right, but Clinton never prosecuted Gingrich for fiscal irresponsibility, now did he?http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78nd8cheterosapian on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78nd8c2012-11-29T09:17:26.297580-08:00The first black president was actually impeached.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kt32[deleted] on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kt322012-11-29T06:42:48.833175-08:00They may have stopped spending your money on new things but they aren't making any headway on wasting less of your money on the same old shit. I, personally, wouldn't want our government to be deadlocked in its current state for the foreseeable future and would welcome some change.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78mr06Scraw on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78mr062012-11-29T08:43:13.624243-08:00Tell me about it. Those two wars were bargains.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78m2ozAmKonSkunk on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78m2oz2012-11-29T08:05:26.347554-08:00You mean like the $4 trillion Iraq war?http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78pbqgThe_richie_v on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78pbqg2012-11-29T11:00:55.151883-08:00Didn't they directly cost us money with this tactic by getting out credit rating downgraded?http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78luglPopular-Uprising- on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lugl2012-11-29T07:51:52.085263-08:00It's also sad that they claim that makes them the least &quot;productive&quot;.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78o9e3maineac on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78o9e32012-11-29T10:04:55.142572-08:00200 too many. Time to start repealing.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78jo8dEagleFalconn on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78jo8d2012-11-29T05:00:13.449536-08:00So...this means libertarians are now in favor of obstructionism? And preventing the passage of laws even when they are necessary? This place has been taken over by anarco-capitalists, hasn't it? God dammit. Time to find a new subreddit.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kbtpyep45 on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kbtp2012-11-29T06:05:06.040080-08:00Gridlock to a certain degree is very important. Its the entire point behind separation of powers.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ke1zEagleFalconn on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ke1z2012-11-29T06:10:16.511425-08:00Gridlock that led to negotiation is helpful. We have gridlock because there are a group of people who have been elected to office who think that compromise and negotiation are signs of weakness instead of the healthy function of a republic.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kownSaintarium on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kown2012-11-29T06:34:09.397252-08:00What? Separation of powers is about the interaction of the branches. The checks and balances exist to review the input/output of the other two. One branch failing to do their job, and giving the other two branches nothing to review is not a check or balance. This entire situation exists because were are missing a crucial check on congressional power. Namely that congress has sole power over its own procedures. Citizens have no (in term) recourse via either the executive or judiciary to challenge these. continually asking them to force themselves to behave, and then bemoan that nothing is getting done is hilarious. In the same way we should question executive orders and hold the office of the president accountable for administrative agency policies the congress should be held accountable for procedural rules they have chosen. A primary reason that we have a far to strong executive branch is because the legislative have fallen far short of there duty to check that power. Encouraging gridlock and the dismantling of the congress's effectiveness only serves to hurt liberty under threat from the other two branches. Gridlock like this is probably the worst assault on checks and balances in recent history! This right here is exactly the same type of government obstructiveness and bureaucracy we need to fight against. **government workers making up rules to not do their jobs!**http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78oabzmatthewjosephtaylor on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78oabz2012-11-29T10:06:19.885727-08:00Separation of powers is at its core about distrust of placing too much power anywhere in the system. Congress itself is split into two houses, so the concept goes deeper than just the 3 main branches. Unfortunately for us the founders didn't split power in the executive branch and so it all resides in one person, giving that branch an edge in the competition for power. What we need is a mechanism to 'gridlock' the president to stop them from assuming more and more power, going to war whenever the mood strikes them, imprisoning whoever they want and in general running around like a king. It's way past too late to introduce any sort of 'dual president' system, so a case could be made that the two congressional houses should be merged. I don't see that happening either, although the British have had some degree of success with reforming the House of Lords so it's not impossible. I think most people in r/Libertarian would be loathe to give congress even more power (by making the institution less discordant) just so it could fight the enhanced power presidents have acquired over time. So for the time being 'gridlock' is the best one can hope for in a bad situation.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ovgfSaintarium on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ovgf2012-11-29T10:36:52.414884-08:00Gah! you missed my point. it is well well within congress's power to curtail the executive branch (in the ways you pointed out), and this gridlock is stopping them from doing so. my contention is that procedural rules witch allow IMHO work stoppages are more harmful because it allows the executive the &quot;there not doing it so i will&quot; position. if challenged it will go to the courts... and if congress hasn't passed a low to disallow it the courts side with the executive.... this happened with the new liberal interpretation of the declaration of war we have now. see the massive harm inaction can have? Here's some proposals 1) I think an 85% attendance rate is more than generous for reps and congresspeople. The penalty for going below should be the triggering of an immediate election at that districts expense. That way the local populace involved will have a monetary incentive to insist there reps show up to work even if they didn't previously vote. 2) before being allowed to vote on any bill a rep or congressman should sign an affidavit saying that they (**They** not their staff) have read and understood the bill. Period no exceptions. A bill should be reviewed and voted on its merits not its signatories. Bills should take time and be fully polished before passing, or be so well worded and on topic to take few pages. having been found to have voted and not having read the bill should be prosecuted as perjury. unfortunately no one can impose these on congress, except congress.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78pshsmatthewjosephtaylor on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78pshs2012-11-29T11:25:13.915717-08:00I think I'm just viewing it from a more 'what is really possible' standpoint. It is in a sense 'within our power' for the group of me and my coworkers to decide not to eat the jelly-donuts brought into the office. However, it isn't realistic to expect that the donuts have much of a chance. :) I as an individual can resist the donuts better because the power of deciding what my body should do has been 'unified' in my head. It's just a 'law of nature' that the more concentrated power is the more powerful it is (which is why power naturally prefers to concentrate). Also, institutions evolve over time. Because of how it was setup it was natural (to a degree inevitable) for the presidency to gain the upper hand over congress. Similar to how our 'winner take all' type of voting leads to a two-party system. Therefore, the only real way for congress to 'stand up' to the presidency over time is for it to become more concentrated (more powerful) which is at its core an anti-Libertarian attitude. Better to keep congress weak/indecisive and focus on how to limit presidential power, and the power of the federal government as a whole. I share with you a desire to reform the system. However, I don't see the problem as congress-people 'abandoning their jobs'. Things are simply playing out as the rules of the game (the constitution and human nature) dictate that they would. It would be nice to think that somehow there is a mechanism (a law, or maybe magic) by which congress/the presidency would become enlightened leaders selflessly acting for the best interest of 'the country' as a whole. However, this is in my opinion a fantasy that merely serves to enhance the authority of those currently in power (similar to thinking that 'The King' was put there by God/gods).http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78jyqbBattlestarPotemkin on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78jyqb2012-11-29T05:31:43.582730-08:00The less the government does, the better things are. We don't want the government to rush to judgment and, oh, bail out banks or declare wars based on non-existent nuclear weapons programs. We don't want federal governments to mandate to local school districts how to teach to tests. We don't want want farm bills which are subsidies for big ag. We don't want defense contracts for Lockheed Martin for unnecessary equipment. &quot;Obstructionism&quot; is a term used by people whose only solution to any problem is for the government to pass laws just to pass laws. It's part of the TMZombification of America, where no one pays attention to substance and defers any thought to authority because they have no rational thought in their own head. &quot;Oh, this bill is called health care reform? Well, it's a bill, see, and it's about health care, see, and right in the title it says reform, see, so like, you know, it has to be the best thing ever and how the fuck could you oppose it?&quot; &quot;Hey, guys, this fucking idiot Rand Paul doesn't want to detain terrorists and he's gonna try to block the troops from getting paid. We should ban the filibuster because the terrorists need to die because 'murricka.&quot; And so on. The fact is, I don't want more laws. There are already enough laws. The only bills I want to see passed are those which repeal laws. The government is too complicated as it is. We don't need 2,000 page bills dealing with health care or finance that turn into thousands more pages of federal rules and regulations. The tax code is extremely complicated. And all of these rules and regulations are passed with the support of those who would be regulated (who, ironically enough usually write the bills anyway). While these are my feelings, I'm pretty sure many libertarians agree. We don't want bought off politicians making special deals for special constituents. I'd be hard pressed to see any law passed in the last, oh, two decades that was &quot;necessary.&quot; Maybe you could find one? Especially the ones that were passed with *urgency*, like the PATRIOT Act or the Afghan AUMF or the Iraq AUMF or No Child Left Behind or Dodd Frank or PPACA (AKA Obamacare) or any of the stimulus bills.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ki95TitoTheMidget on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ki952012-11-29T06:19:43.408823-08:00&gt;The less the government does, the better things are. Right now, government doing nothing is going to lead to *significant* tax hikes.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ksoxtheymos on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ksox2012-11-29T06:42:00.585496-08:00Tax hikes are better than just printing more money. There's no chance that congress will go over the &quot;fiscal cliff&quot;, though. They'll postpone the decision again. I'd bet on it.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78l9o0TitoTheMidget on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78l9o02012-11-29T07:15:02.711637-08:00&gt;There's no chance that congress will go over the &quot;fiscal cliff&quot;, though. They'll postpone the decision again. I'd bet on it. Me too. But that would require them doing something, which would piss a lot of people here off. Even though the alternative is worse.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78knonBattlestarPotemkin on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78knon2012-11-29T06:31:29.113288-08:00And there's no indication that taxes won't be raised when the government &quot;does something&quot; about the &quot;fiscal cliff&quot; anyway.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kungTitoTheMidget on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kung2012-11-29T06:45:50.252097-08:00They'd have to try pretty damn hard to raise taxes higher than doing nothing would raise them.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78l0ggBananaPeelSlippers on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78l0gg2012-11-29T06:57:30.100308-08:00We're talking about passing new laws, not balancing the budget, something states already are required to do. I agree we need laws and regulations, they just need to be good laws as regulation, rather than the shit we spew out presently.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lhm7crbiker on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lhm72012-11-29T07:29:29.540956-08:00We don't need more. I doubt there's been a necessary law passed in the last 20 years.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lm3mBananaPeelSlippers on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lm3m2012-11-29T07:37:27.324253-08:00So you would be against a law that makes a former law better, say one dealing with campaign finance reform?http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lnnncrbiker on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lnnn2012-11-29T07:40:13.396320-08:00I'd rather just repeal the initial one. Adding more government to fix problems caused by government doesn't make any sense to me.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lrzuBananaPeelSlippers on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lrzu2012-11-29T07:47:43.871036-08:00While i generally feel where you are coming from, i disagree with the blanket statement, we don't need any new laws, I love Gary Johnson's &quot;Dr. No&quot; approach, and i almost always vote against new laws when i get the chance on the state level, but lets be honest, writing law is one of the jobs of the legislature. It's our job as the electorate to elect an executive who will not sign bad laws and put in place a judiciary who will repeal bad laws, in addition to electing legislators who aren't immune to their constituents desires.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78klp4serpicowasright on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78klp42012-11-29T06:27:15.964011-08:00Government maleficence. These are taxes that shouldn't have been placed on us in the first place. What is expiring is just a pittance, a gift from your overlords.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ku6nTitoTheMidget on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ku6n2012-11-29T06:44:57.090604-08:00What's expiring are tax *cuts.* IF THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOTHING, TAXES **WILL INCREASE.** If the government does nothing, the payroll tax cut will expire, the Bush tax cuts will expire, the first of the Obamacare taxes will be enacted, the alternative minimum tax will increase, and tax breaks for businesses will expire. This isn't some instance of &quot;maleficence&quot; or &quot;expiring taxes,&quot; and you claiming it is demonstrates how little knowledge you have about the situation. Government doing nothing will lead to higher taxes in this case.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78l1veD33GS on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78l1ve2012-11-29T07:00:21.411816-08:00Tax cuts from a tax rate that prior administrations passed. Tax cuts that now will be perennially used as a bargaining chip by both sides. Tax cuts that one side wants to end for certain brackets. Ultimately, you are advocating government doing something to fix government problems that were created by the government with &quot;consequences&quot; that the government placed on us which is returning our tax rate to the rate of a prior government administration. Government doing something has lead us to this as it is. I don't think anybody wants their taxes to return to what they were during the Clinton years. I myself have never even paid taxes at a Pre-Bush Tax cut rate but the real question remains: What excuse will government use next to preserve these tax cuts today? Two years from now? 10 years from now? These tax cuts are here to stay, the only difference is that they are still considered &quot;temporary.&quot;http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78pddkhijh on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78pddk2012-11-29T11:03:24.451033-08:00i especially agree the less the government does, the better the people are! WWII would have been over before it began if every government had done nothing. DUH! WAKE UP!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78nha5grimm22 on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78nha52012-11-29T09:23:32.331826-08:00&gt;The less the government does, the better things are. http://i.imgur.com/jr6k9.jpghttp://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78jzokEagleFalconn on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78jzok2012-11-29T05:34:29.579235-08:00&gt; The less the government does, the better things are. Herbert Hoover called. He wants his one-liner political philosphy back.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78k9ucTheLync on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78k9uc2012-11-29T06:00:18.686424-08:00Yeah. That entire reply was a one liner. You know, in comparison to yours.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kc6vEagleFalconn on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kc6v2012-11-29T06:05:54.663692-08:00Government and running a nation is a hard, complicated task. The notion that the best government would do practically nothing is impractical at best and irrational at worst. I don't want any more government, regulation or laws than is strictly necessary, but that isn't the same as wanting as little as possible or none at all. As a result, I don't have much respect for the little to no government perspective and don't necessarily feel like it's worth writing a detailed reply.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kmvaBattlestarPotemkin on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kmva2012-11-29T06:29:47.876452-08:00Then why do you bother posting here?http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lrxq[deleted] on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lrxq2012-11-29T07:47:37.520228-08:00Free Association. Freedom of the individual. Learn it. Like it. Live it. The best thing about this sub is that it allows for open discussion. It's not an echo chamber. There are plenty of other intolerant subs and sites if that's what you're looking for.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78nnn4EagleFalconn on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78nnn42012-11-29T09:33:03.391500-08:00I still haven't had time to read your citations, but I should say that I don't equate libertarianism with &quot;little to no government.&quot; I equate it with &quot;as little government as is strictly necessary.&quot; Am I mistaken?http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78o4o8BattlestarPotemkin on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78o4o82012-11-29T09:57:54.329705-08:00It's either, really.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kscqEagleFalconn on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kscq2012-11-29T06:41:19.652301-08:00Because I enjoy being exposed to ideas I don't necessarily agree with. It's a rare thing in this political climate, but reasoned, respectful, intellectually honest discourse between people who do not agree is how we all learn, refine our ideas, and participate as good citizens in our democracy.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kuqpBattlestarPotemkin on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kuqp2012-11-29T06:46:01.895099-08:00Well you don't seem to be interested in thoughtful discussion when you dismissed my above comment with a strawman about Hoover (which was itself a gross misreading of history).http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kvzvEagleFalconn on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kvzv2012-11-29T06:48:33.444580-08:00I'll read your citations when I'm not on my phone. I'll acknowledge it wasn't the most graceful argument, but one only has so much time. Know this: I'll read them with an open mind and a willingness to be proved wrong.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c7910ktTheLync on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c7910kt2012-11-29T23:11:19.451739-08:00Yet another case of not understanding the Libertarian view. Also one of the things I hate the most about politics. It is the idea that one political belief should be implemented everywhere at every level. The idea here is that the **Federal** government does practically nothing. That's what it was designed to do, it has a set of roles written out. It isn't supposed to do anything else. Have an Authoritarian, Capitalist, Socialist, Communist, Democratic **State**. That's how the country is supposed to work. So no, a small government is not impractical or irrational, it just has to be taken into context.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78k58bBattlestarPotemkin on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78k58b2012-11-29T05:48:50.912611-08:00Herbert Hoover worked to increase the largesse and power of the state. Public school has failed you, son.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kns9TitoTheMidget on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kns92012-11-29T06:31:41.666192-08:00Yes and no. Hoover increased the role of government, but not in the same way that FDR did, like so many libertarians like to say. He did increase taxes and spending - taxes mostly on the rich (from 25% to 63%), and as a proportion of GDP government spending increased about 5% - larger than the increase under FDR, though that was partly due to GDP actively shrinking as spending rose under Hoover as opposed to stagnating by the time FDR took office. However, the New Deal consisted mostly of government programs, not of straight welfare spending or anything like that. (&quot;To dole our relief in this way is to administer a narcotic, a subtle destroyer of the human spirit. It is inimical to the dictates of a sound policy. It is in violation of the traditions of America. Work must be found for able-bodied but destitute workers&quot; - FDR) Hoover's take on programs was different - rather than having large infrastructure projects (I mean, aside from the Hoover Dam), he tried to rely on public-private cooperation and incentivizing private companies to do some of the crucial work that was needed. That failed miserably, in no small part because all the private companies were going broke.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ktbmBattlestarPotemkin on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ktbm2012-11-29T06:43:19.680959-08:00Hoover also strongarmed employers into not lowering wages, dooming more people into unemployment. And FDRs programs were all based on Hoover's programs, notably the Reconstruction Finance Corporation (which was one of the main finance arms of the New Deal). And spending/taxes/deficits rose both in absolute terms and as a percentage of GDP under Hoover. So it's hard to make the case that he sought a limited government approach to the Great Depression. That said, Hoover's spending was so bad that FDR campaigned against Hoover with the charge that Hoover was a big spender.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kvkaTitoTheMidget on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kvka2012-11-29T06:47:40.168198-08:00&gt;Hoover also strongarmed employers into not lowering wages, dooming more people into unemployment. He asked them not to. They were free to cut wages anyway, and many of them did. &gt;And FDRs programs were all based on Hoover's programs, notably the Reconstruction Finance Corporation (which was one of the main finance arms of the New Deal). Some were. &quot;All&quot; were not. &gt;And spending/taxes/deficits rose both in absolute terms and as a percentage of GDP under Hoover. So it's hard to make the case that he sought a limited government approach to the Great Depression. Yeah, I noted that.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78k6jnEagleFalconn on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78k6jn2012-11-29T05:52:10.038495-08:00Examples? I'm impressed with all that largesse and the poverty it relieved. Good thing they didn't name slums after him or anything.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kc5cBattlestarPotemkin on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kc5c2012-11-29T06:05:48.887311-08:00http://www.dailyreckoning.com.au/herbert-hoover-and-the-great-depression/2009/07/16/ http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard184.htmlhttp://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78k3i8AllWrong74 on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78k3i82012-11-29T05:44:35.116501-08:00I missed where everyone was advocating for obstructionism? We're libertarians. We're for a SMALLER government. This means the fewer laws the better (in our opinions). How is it obstructionism to be happy that fewer laws were passed (and not as happy as we would be if even FEWER laws were passed)?http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78k5v0EagleFalconn on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78k5v02012-11-29T05:50:27.876427-08:00Fewer laws are not the same as smaller government. Smaller government would require passing laws to (for example) kill programs that spend money. That would actually shrink government. Simply counting the number of bills passed, seeing that it's gone down, and calling that small government is like saying that closing your eyes means that a mugger can't see you. Just because you don't acknowledge a problem you have to solve doesn't mean it goes away. It means you lose the opportunity to manage it. Like it or not, our government has duties. You may think it has too many right now, but failing to do that business is failing to serve us.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kccxTheLync on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kccx2012-11-29T06:06:21.171541-08:00You seem to have this idea that every law passed is a step in the right direction. That's the entire problem here. It is usually a step towards more government. Don't act like the laws being passed shrink the power and reach of the government, they increase it. Every time a tax goes up, or a regulation gets passed, or a power due to 'national defense' gets passed, the government grows larger. Don't make up some magical productive Congress that passed 200 good laws. You wouldn't even need 200 laws to achieve the goals of shrinking the government. Having lower taxes for example of one industry is still special interest. Federal law should apply to all equally, and as a libertarian, minimally.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kpwpTitoTheMidget on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kpwp2012-11-29T06:36:12.923490-08:00&gt;You seem to have this idea that every law passed is a step in the right direction. I didn't read that from EagleFalcon's reply. I read it as him saying &quot;Hey, passing laws isn't ALWAYS bad.&quot; Which is a perfectly rational view.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kd7xEagleFalconn on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kd7x2012-11-29T06:08:19.174574-08:00In contrast, you seem to have the idea that every law passed is necessarily harmful to the functioning of the country. This is not a black and white issue.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kp5qmctoasterson on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kp5q2012-11-29T06:34:37.548403-08:00You are right that it isn't black and white. The problem is that Congress is perceived to pass either largely ornamental/irrelevant legislation, or outright harmful legislation in the eyes of libertarians. I can't find a good statistic to cite, but most of the recent legislation does seem to fall into these two categories: 1) Commemorative coins/post offices/stretches of highway 2) New or expanded spending, new or expanded programs, new or expanded federal agencies and bodies Source: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/browse?status=28,29 When 99% of the bills they pass fall into one of these two categories, I think most libertarians would rather that they simply don't pass anything at all.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78jsblTheSelfGoverned on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78jsbl2012-11-29T05:13:04.939817-08:00&gt;And preventing the passage of laws even when they are necessary? Define &quot;necessary&quot;. I suppose allocating funds is necessary, but isn't all necessary funds handled in the budget?http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78jwqxEagleFalconn on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78jwqx2012-11-29T05:26:00.954095-08:00No. There's the entire discretionary budget (non-Medicare/SS) which includes the military (which I understand to be one of the few government expenditures even anarco capitalists will support). Not to mention confirmation of appointments and the actual passing of the budget (which has been obstructed).http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78mx37Subjugator on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78mx372012-11-29T08:52:23.462840-08:00Where does the idea that libertarians or an-caps support the military keep coming from? I'm not trying to single you out, as you are far from the first person to post this recently. Libertarian and an-cap are anti-military, anti-standing army, because those things are inherently anti-liberty, and have been traditional positions for a long time.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78nkb1EagleFalconn on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78nkb12012-11-29T09:28:05.490309-08:00Agreeing with kwidjiboo. Even if you disagree about what the internal powers of the US Federal Government should be, my understanding is that it's universally agreed upon that one way or another, it's the only body that it makes sense to entrust the defense of the entire nation.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ncx1kwidjiboo on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ncx12012-11-29T09:16:56.165621-08:00Not to the degree that we currently have, but providing for the common defense is one of the few powers explicitly given to the federal government in the constitution. A lot of libertarians are also constitutionalists. They go hand in hand IMO, but no two people will agree on everything.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78q4ixSubjugator on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78q4ix2012-11-29T11:42:50.166036-08:00As constitutionalists, do they recognize that the constitution is anti-standing army?http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78qh0vkwidjiboo on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78qh0v2012-11-29T12:01:19.124755-08:00Not so much anti-standing army as relying on militias. If you're referring to Article 1 section 6 of the constitution, that was put there to prevent the President (a single person) from raising and being in control of an army during peace time. Kinda makes you wonder why we are constantly at war. With technology nowadays, militias could not get the training they require to use modern equipment, much less maintain it. So IMO a necessary evil, but I get your point and agree that could be an interpretation.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78r9o0Subjugator on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78r9o02012-11-29T12:43:39.663526-08:00Did you mean section 8? It allows for a standing navy, and not a standing army because at the time (I'm not sure about since), every prior republic had been overthrown by its own standing army.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lg1ucrbiker on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lg1u2012-11-29T07:26:40.190179-08:00I'd actually venture to say the number of ancaps has stayed the same, and due to elections this year, there is a huge influx of Romney/Obama apologists. Top it off with a bunch of people posting memes that would make the GOP proud.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78n8oorichmomz on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78n8oo2012-11-29T09:10:22.258332-08:00Obstructionism is an intended consequence of the government our founders designed. They didn't want to make it too easy for government to pass whatever laws it liked, lest it morph right back into the dictatorship we seceded from.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kinzDash275 on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kinz2012-11-29T06:20:38.589717-08:00&gt; This place has been taken over by anarco-capitalists, hasn't it? As an ancap, I can say that hasn't happened yet, although I'd like it to. Anarcho-capitalism needs to stage a &quot;take it back&quot; movement for the words libertarian and liberalism, because they belong rightfully to anarcho-capitalism. Read *For A New Liberty*, a book on natural rights propertarian anarchism. Rothbard calls it libertarianism.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78tq98nozickian on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78tq982012-11-29T14:55:38.338606-08:00If libertarianism really means anarcho-capitalism, what is the general term for someone who is for smaller government in all areas of life, socially liberal, fiscally conservative and for less intervention in foreign policy? It doesn't make sense not to have a term for that broad category of people that makes up 15% to 20% of the American electorate. When you come up with and popularize a term to call those people instead of libertarian, then everyone can start using libertarian to mean anarcho-capitalist. With respect to using liberal as a synonym for anarcho-capitalist, I have no idea what the hell you are talking about. When people who argued for less government control were called liberals, anarcho-capitalists did not exist. When the terms anarcho-capitalist and libertarian came to mean what they do now in America, liberal had been changed to mean something totally different. In a broad context, Rothbard could be considered a liberal in the classical sense of the word, but liberal has always been a fairly broad term and the idea that only anarcho-capitalists should be considered liberals is asinine. Your thoughts on this are what happens when you get too much of your history and politics from Rothbard. He has a tendency to highlight the origins of modern libertarian thought in various historical figures while downplaying their non-libertarian ideas. He gives you the impression that if he just had 15 minutes with them to explain a few things, they would fully endorse his anarcho-capitalist ideas. With the exception of people like Lysander Spooner, that's just not true. He is correct that the seeds of libertarian thoughts were contained in a wide variety of ideas throughout history, but it's very obvious that they were not libertarians. And yes, I have read For A New Liberty among several other Rothbard books.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78m0c1Popular-Uprising- on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78m0c12012-11-29T08:01:36.485621-08:00This libertarian is. Until congress starts repealing laws and reducing the impact of current laws, I'll settle for obstructionism. There's absolutely zero chance of the other two happening with the House and Senate split.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c793ikxdarthhayek on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c793ikx2012-11-30T05:17:33.215281-08:00I'm not an ancap. I think it's outrageous that Congress passes 200 laws per year.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kddxthe_ancient1 on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kddx2012-11-29T06:08:43.801333-08:00&gt; preventing the passage of laws even when they are necessary No law is necessary &gt;This place has been taken over by anarco-capitalists, No this place is being taken over by Statists like you... People that follow Non-Agression are Anti-Statist, you former replicraps come here and ruin the liberty movementhttp://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kuw5Saintarium on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kuw52012-11-29T06:46:19.033756-08:00So your saying your an Anti-Statist not a libertarian? The fight to gain, maintain, and preserve freedoms does not mean all states and/or government are inherently out of the question. They just have to be strictly controlled and used in the most efficient way to prevent undue burden.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lxd2the_ancient1 on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lxd22012-11-29T07:56:36.722600-08:00&gt;So your saying your an Anti-Statist not a libertarian? Anti-Statism is libertarian. &gt;The fight to gain, maintain, and preserve freedoms does not mean all states and/or government are inherently out of the question. All Governments are a violation of the Non Aggression principle, thus not libertarianhttp://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78mcf7Saintarium on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78mcf72012-11-29T08:20:55.877953-08:00&gt;All Governments are a violation of the Non Aggression principle, thus not libertarian So is the entire concept of owning property, yet that's ok?http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ki52EagleFalconn on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ki522012-11-29T06:19:28.001397-08:00No law? None of them? So the United States should not, ever, defend its borders or protect the rights of its citizens? Those too require laws. I would take that to mean you don't believe the Constitution is a valid document either. So you don't believe in government of any kind?http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lwxx[deleted] on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lwxx2012-11-29T07:55:54.318574-08:00&quot;defend its borders or protect the rights of its citizens&quot; After 236 years, we have plenty of laws that cover those bases pretty well. Not that new situations don't arise which require new legislation or a tweaking of existing legislation from time to time, but if you consider many of the laws passed in the last decade (many of which have severely degraded our rights), and the fact that a lot of the folks who passed them are still in office, you don't have to be a libertarian to come to the conclusion that congress' inactivity in this regard is probably a good thing.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78nlugEagleFalconn on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78nlug2012-11-29T09:30:22.974365-08:00Hey man, I'm brown. You don't have to tell me twice about the 'Patriot' Act. I just don't believe that it is sufficient to say that no laws should ever be passed, ever. Absolutism makes me uncomfortable.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ue3j[deleted] on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ue3j2012-11-29T15:34:08.066418-08:00Don't let the anarchists 'round here fool you. Most of them are only absolutist on paper. In reality, they stop at red lights, and they call the cops when they need one, just like the rest of us. Very few of them would have the slightest clue about how to survive in a lawless society; they comfortably make their absolutist judgements from behind a warm computer screen in a relatively safe neighborhood or college dorm. It's always good to hear from opposing, dissenting, and even extremist points of view. Even an absolutist can provide enlightenment and even some sound solutions from time to time; it just depends on how you listen.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kqifTitoTheMidget on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kqif2012-11-29T06:37:31.106397-08:00&gt;No law is necessary ABOLISH ALL MURDER REGULATIONS!!1!!!!1!!!11!11!1!! PEOPLE WILL VOLUNTARILY NOT MURDER!1!!11!!!!11!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ly5lthe_ancient1 on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78ly5l2012-11-29T07:57:59.827913-08:00So you believe murder regulations prevent people from murdering other people? Really? If there were no laws making murder illegal you would just go around killing people. That says alot about you...http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78m9ijTitoTheMidget on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78m9ij2012-11-29T08:16:21.971135-08:00Wow, nice straw man. No, I don't think murder laws are what stops people from killing other people. However, I think it's important that we, you know, have something in place to deal with the fact that people sometimes murder others.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kikybudguy68 on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78kiky2012-11-29T06:20:27.467252-08:00The system is setup so that only lawyers and bureaucrats can tell heads or tails from it thus make money.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78l9pmAshlir on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78l9pm2012-11-29T07:15:06.509560-08:00It's should be about quality not quantity.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lmzaPorojukaha on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78lmza2012-11-29T07:39:00.723833-08:00The problem is that likely none of these laws were good laws and a few of them were probably some of the worst pieces of legislation passed in recent memory.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78maa7Polymathic on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78maa72012-11-29T08:17:35.577490-08:00Between the hubris that causes people to believe that Congress embodies boundless expertise in every field of human endeavor, and the idea that passing legislation magically equals constructive activity, I'm not sure which is more destructive.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78mtpmlf11 on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78mtpm2012-11-29T08:47:19.744333-08:00This makes me very happy. Thank you.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78nfpegrimm22 on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78nfpe2012-11-29T09:21:12.567823-08:00I don't think MSNBC understands how our government is structured. The founding fathers made it so that the branches would be too busy squabbling with each other to actually get things done, and thus would grant citizens the ability to retain their liberty. If the left-wing FOX News wants increased government intervention in the lives of citizens, they are more than welcome to go to Europe.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78obyrMHOLMES on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78obyr2012-11-29T10:08:49.396807-08:00It is a bad thing. There are more laws in this country than anyone could read in their lifetime. There needs to be net repealing of laws each year.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78of17[deleted] on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78of172012-11-29T10:13:11.460194-08:00It's less about the amount of laws, and more about the obstructionism and complete lack of compromise that now dominates the Congress. The the other problem is that they laws they DO pass generally cater to the batshit insane fundies, the military industrial complex , or to Big Business.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78p359budguy68 on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78p3592012-11-29T10:48:12.178832-08:00CNN is calling them the &quot;Do nothing congress&quot; for not passing that many new laws. Their whole idea is that progress is made depending on how many laws are pass by congress. I don't even know why I use CNN as my news source. They are ass barkwardshttp://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78qqmxdangling_participles on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78qqmx2012-11-29T12:15:46.035085-08:00I've tried to float the idea that there should be a constitutional limit to the number of laws congress can pass in a year, but no one ever seems to take me seriously.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78sjim[deleted] on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78sjim2012-11-29T13:50:51.083737-08:00Meh. It's a cheap and easy news story. Tap into popular sentiment, throw a couple quick facts together and viola, you've got some rando linking to r/libertarian giving you a couple thousand easy page views.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78t6ciHoppsB on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78t6ci2012-11-29T14:24:57.191507-08:00The goverment doesnt even know how many total laws there are. You know most contries only make like 10-20 new laws a year, the only time when a country averages 200 or more laws is in the first 5 years of it's existence. We have WAY to many laws. Being a member of congress or senate should be a part time job where they get together for 1 month a year to vote on stuff, the pay they get should also be part time pay. I could seriously continue to rant but I think you get it.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78vioibootsmegamix on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78vioi2012-11-29T16:42:22.819223-08:00Not to me... that's 200 too many!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78w8k5[deleted] on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78w8k52012-11-29T17:27:58.002687-08:00Not enough corporate welfare being dolled out for MSNBC's tastes.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78wqn8ReasonReader on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78wqn82012-11-29T17:58:58.014980-08:00200 new laws, zero repealed? Fuck that.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78wu8f[deleted] on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78wu8f2012-11-29T18:05:11.560415-08:00Not every law effects freedoms or rights. 90% or more of laws passed are administrative - the point is that our government is not *governing*. Unless you're an anarchist that should not be music to your ears.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78zjqkWTFppl on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78zjqk2012-11-29T21:06:16.015209-08:00&gt;The lack of legislation passed by Congress in recent years has become frustrating to many lawmakers.http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c792uhhredawn on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c792uhh2012-11-30T03:44:52.899804-08:00i would like to hear of repeals...http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78jrr0TheSelfGoverned on This congress has 'only passed less than 200 laws' and msnbc sells that as a bad thing. To me, music to my ears!!http://www.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/13zlrb/this_congress_has_only_passed_less_than_200_laws/c78jrr02012-11-29T05:11:21.834746-08:00Repeatedly pushing the &quot;Yes&quot; button is their idea of hard work.