What Does It Mean To Be Off The Market?

Maxim #98: Marriage is no escape from the sexual market and the possibility that you may be outbid by a competitor with higher value.

Corollary to Maxim #98: Singleness is no guarantee of full sexual market participation.

Expert level commenter Whiskey left a comment about the Tiger Woods affair on a blog I read (at the moment I can’t recall the blog) in which he stated plainly that each woman with whom Woods had a tryst was one less woman available on the dating market to other men. His point was that twelve (in reality, triple that number) Tiger mistresses (or whores, or skanks, or courtesans, whatever you want to call them the concept is clear) means twelve beta men go without a woman at all. Some of the commenters took Whiskey to task, noting, perhaps not illogically, that a woman living as the sex toy of a billionaire golfer is not necessarily off the market. There are six other days in the week, after all. The typical fuckhole might see Woods once a month, which leaves her plenty of time to date other men.

Comforting thoughts, but I’ll throw my experiences with and observations of these kinds of women in the ring and lend support to Whiskey’s point of view. On a ledger sheet, sure, these provisional paramours have lots of downtime to date other men. But a woman’s emotional contours are hardly amenable to the ledger. Unlike men, most women are averse to boffing multiple concurrent partners. It is simply not in the nature of women to be psychologically equipped to handle with grace and steadiness the crass rutting with Cock A one day and Cock B the very next day. Women don’t operate like that. They see a cock they like, they want to be with that cock, and if they succeed all other cocks recede to invisibility, at least until either their preferred cock leaves for good or they grow weary of that cock.

What I am describing is not a slut apologia. The infamous cock carousel that spins like a possessed Stephen King-ian carnival ride in our major urban centers is open for business. But it’s a turgid carousel of consecutive rides, one women normally jump off of before clambering back on to sit on a new, fresh horsey. They aren’t attempting to straddle all the horsies at once.

Now some women of the craving simultaneous schlong variety do exist. But they are extremely rare. Aside from prostitutes (who medicate their perforating souls with the salve of money, drugs, and complete submission to the pimp), only the foulest sluts and most rapacious sociopaths are constitutionally capable of concurrent cock hopping for pleasure and personal gain. Some of these stone cold sluts were likely positioning themselves in Tiger’s target acquisition periphery, and he clumsily obliged like the stiffly off-putting former beta droid he is. But it is also likely that some of his mistresses genuinely fell for the tingly feelings his power and fame gave them, and they forsook all other men to focus solely on Tiger, even if it meant seeing him just once a month.

So Whiskey’s observation has merit. If a man is alpha and unburdened by moral considerations, he will have mistresses and flings and hotel bar hookups. And in turn, those mistresses and flings will drift off the dating market, de facto if not maritally de jure. When an alpha captures a woman’s heart, even if for only a few times a year, her yearning focuses like a laser beam onto him to the exclusion of more available betas in her midst. She will be happier daydreaming of her unavailable lover than talking in real life with second rate suitors.

Maxim #101: For most women, five minutes of alpha is worth five years of beta.

The Tiger Woods bimbo eruption has clarified the seedy underbelly of the sexual market within which we all operate, no matter how many Hallmark platitudes we recite to the contrary to assuage our pestering fears. People get wrapped up in the salacious gossip and revel in the downfall of a celebrity, but behind the jokes and snark of the gawking masses percolates a silent unease. Women spare fleeting thoughts that the men who love them might trade up to a younger hotter model if offers suddenly emerged. Men hide a slow moving but deep river of envy for any alpha male who makes the news by monopolizing enough women to sexually nourish the IT department of a large corporation.

Yes, in 2009 America, there are men who rule over harems. And there are many more men who are eunuchized by this dirty little reality.

Some of the quotes from Tiger’s flings are a case study in female rationalization.

Jamie, 26, who bears a striking resemblance to Elin, recalled: “Tiger and I went back to the room and just started making out.

“It just went from one thing to the next. We ended up having crazy sex for two hours. I remember him picking me up and putting me against the wall. And that’s when it turned into wild sex. It was really good.

“Later I said to him, ‘I don’t know a whole lot about your marriage situation. I know it is very fresh. I know you just got married. I mean, is it going OK?’ He said, ‘Yes, it’s fine, she’s in Sweden with her family’.”

She’s banging a dude who just got married and she asks if his marriage is going OK. No one is that stupid. She asked because by asking she absolves herself of any guilt or accountability for what she is doing. This is how women think. They are submissive, empty vessels to their core.

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TIGER Woods was rated as “horrible in bed” by one of his lovers, it was revealed yesterday.

JFK’s women said he was horrible in bed, too. He piled into them for two minutes, spent himself, and left, wham, bam, thank you ma’am. Didn’t stop ’em from coming back and spreading themselves again whenever he wanted it.

Though we men think we would like polygamy, the society is better off with monogamous marriage. With monogamous marriage most of the men are paired with most of the women. If we were allowed to have multiple wives 25% of the men would have all the women. Men like Tiger and celebrities and the rich would have multiple wives and the average guys would be alone and frustrated.
Societies with that many angry men are crime ridden and volatile. Case in point is any Islamicist country like Taliban controlled areas of Afghanistan.

So monogamy or serial monogamy as practiced in America is better for the most men. But not necessarily the Alpha males.

It is simply not in the nature of women to be psychologically equipped to handle with grace and steadiness the crass rutting with Cock A one day and Cock B the very next day. Women don’t operate like that.

I have expended much effort over the years trying to convince others of this; apparently women just need to embrace their sexuality and liberation from patriarchal controls and they can boff multiple people in a week. And somehow that would also make more sense from a marriage point of view or something, because the women would have ‘gotten it out of their system’ like a reformed rake.

I also read that comment that Whiskey left on that blog, (funny thing I cant remember it either) and at first I too was thinking to myself he’s wrong. But I looked back on my experiences and I realised that there were women I had hooked up with in the past that were involved with more alpha guy’s than myself. They were quick to feel guilty about the fact that they were sleeping with me even though they saw this guy once or twice a month. At first I felt that these women were crazy, but then I realised that indeed their psyche was definitely hooked into this guy and that my presence was peripheral. I just learned to step up my game and meet other women that I then took off the market.

On a side note I could see why he two minute pumped and dumped Jamie Grubbs, I don’t find her the least bit attractive, I really don’t see how Tiger and a supposed George Clooney hit it. I suspect she she falls into that foul rapacious blown out vag type.

Is it only me that thinks tiger is not happy being black? I always had a feeling that he strives to be white, i never liked him, because he looked so completely boring, i had a friend that worked within golf business, so he had occasions to meet him and told he was the nicest, but he doesn’t transmit all of that through the telly. He looks very boring and stiff and pretentious, and he acts like he is ashamed of his roots. i cannot see him having 12 mistresses, what a pokerface.

“Rihanna admits she prefers ‘high-risk’ men”
One might think Rihanna would welcome a drama-free relationship after her romance with Chris Brown came to such an abrupt and violent end. But one would be wrong.

When Glamour U.K. asked the singer what she looks for in a man, she made one thing clear — no nice guys.

“Definitely the high-risk (type),” the Grammy winner said. “I don’t like cream puff, corny guys. Usually they are the nice guys, the ones that won’t hurt you. They’ll pull out the chair for you and the whole nine yards. Everything is perfect and boring … I like the risk. I like the edge. That’s the thrill for me.”

…each woman with whom Woods had a tryst was one less woman available on the dating market to other men.

I disagree. The number of women willing to go back and forth between two or more cocks can surprising. However, there is an upper limit and for most women its two. Of the two there will always be a struggle to decide which is the keeper, typically the most accessible but that doesn’t mean he’s the guy she’s most emotionally invested in. The exception has become the woman that rides only one cock in a given period and no other cocks. From what I understand, Jungers was engaged to another man while she was fucking Tiger and you’ve pointed out, Grubbs was banging Clooney and Tiger at the same time. The pornstars go without saying, one of whom was married.

These women would not have been in the same dating market as Joe Average so to say they are one less available to the dating market presumes a flat market. It doesn’t work that way.

I gave her the benefit of a doubt after the Chris Brown incident and assumed (for her sake) that she’d picked the wrong guy and might learn something.
She didn’t, which means the next time she gets slapped around by some stupid tough guy and has her bruised and bloodied face plastered over the media I will laugh and laugh.
Whatever musical talents she has, she’s stupid as a rock and the same thing that happens to most stupid people will happen to her. This includes having some ‘high-risk’ man clean out her bank account leaving her washed up, strung out and broke and still looking for a new high-risk guy she can’t land anymore.

One might think Rihanna would welcome a drama-free relationship after her romance with Chris Brown came to such an abrupt and violent end. But one would be wrong.

Rihanna is only 21 and for some women it takes them a long history of being emotionally battered (or sometimes physically battered) for them to stop being so stupid. I would also like to add that RiRi’s father wasn’t around because her parents got divorced due to her daddy’s drug problems. When Dad’s are not there physically (or if the Dad is physically present but still mentally absent) to teach their daughters about the game of life and especially the game of men, those same little girls often grown up to gameless girls who make bad choices in men over and over and over again.

It’s the same old saying: 1% of guys get 90% of all the women. Whiskey is just reinforcing a truth of a current, topical event, with albeit, a different description. Truths need such reinforcing because current society is propagandized to be dullards. They need constant reminding that the sky is blue.

One of Tiger Woods’ mistresses reportedly had an abortion. That’s throwing away the winning fetal lottery ticket. That’s killing The Golden Egg – from The Goose that lays The Golden Egg.

Women operate in a world without logic and are functionally illiterate to the process. They don’t need logic in a world where they can get paid $5,000,000 – not only for the fucking, but – to keep quiet about that fucking.

Also, one of Woods’ mistresses has a text/phone call where Woods asks her about the status of her cock bullpen and she states plaintively that she’s “been on only two real dates in two months” since accepting the Tiger Penis

This makes men presume females dumb for many reasons: Such as, going without sex when actually they are holding out to snag the money as the winner of a mad competition with a herd of other stampeding vaginas.

It doesn’t matter to women Tiger Woods is a goofy-looking Beta dork and an asshole. It doesn’t matter that he’s “emotionally distant! *sniff*” – what matters is he’s paid billions for a socially worthless game.

Congressional Medal of Honor winners can’t even get Tiger Woods’ level of action. That’s what men find stupid, not that mistresses reserve their lubrication for the worthless.

“Rihanna is only 21 and for some women it takes them a long history of being emotionally battered (or sometimes physically battered) for them to stop being so stupid.”

I guess the tragedy is that the really dumb ones learn this after having a few alpha babies, are in their early to mid thirties, and now are desperately scrambling to find a beta provider.

Word to the wise: Never marry a woman with children. No matter how “moral” and “virtuous” you may think you are or made to feel you are willfully signing up to be a beta provider. Put another way….you were not her first choice.

Word to the wise: Never marry a woman with children……Put another way….you were not her first choice.

This not necessarily true. I’m a single mother. I have the option right now of getting back together with the father of my child (and actually getting married, rare for too many black women) who makes pretty good money as a Marine currently serving in Afghanistan. i could be a happy stay-at-home Mom. But the bottom line is that the marriage would be a disaster cause I don’t love him, he doesn’t love me, and the only glue that sticks us together is our child. I believe there’s someone better out there for me, not *perfect*, not necessarily *Alpha*, but someone who I would be a much better fit for than my childs father.

Any woman will spread her legs if she gets the chance to bang a man who is much higher in status than any other men in her life.

This is why Game works so well even with girls who are “off the market”. Once you become a true sex-market bargain in her eyes, all bets are off the table. She can rationalize it to herself later on (as a “mistake” if she is with a beta bf/hubbie, or as “revenge” for all the nights she dreamed of her asshole alpha lover).

So Whisky and you are right – Tiger’s sperm containers became less available to most men. Yet, they never really were “off the market”. They were in idling mode. As any woman always is.

Being “off the market” is a female fantasy. It relates to their experience that once they age, they get dropped from the alpha’s platter. They are actually forced off the market (at least for the small section of the male population that women compete for) and rationalize it to themselves that it is “time to settle”. Mix that with the female need for Lovers AND Providers, and they can brew themselves a funny “romantic” mix of high status ladies men DECIDING that they stop putting out offers and leave the market place – for HER.

And that’s the whole reason for the “moral” outrage about Tiger. He violated that female fantasy that has become socially accepted. He ass-raped that romantic fantasy just by following the powerful laws of nature that rule all of us (like the women he banged). But given the combined interest of keeping up the lies that keep our society from declining into chaos, he sure won’t get away for that without losing a large part of his wealth.

When an alpha captures a woman’s heart, even if for only a few times a year, her yearning focuses like a laser beam onto him to the exclusion of more available betas in her midst. She will be happier daydreaming of her unavailable lover than talking in real life with second rate suitors.

*sigh* Personally experiencing this right now. I thought about him all night.

So, here is the real question: Exactly how do I *stop* thinking about him?

I thought i was just a particularly stubborn woman but since you have the phenomenon of obsessing over unavailable alpha’s seems you should have some advice for the women about what to do to get over it.

It takes real intelligence to realize that everyone is different and everyone is the same at the same time. This type of paradoxical thinking is outside the realm of 99% of people; you included apparently.

“Why do women believe everything is especially unique to them? Why does each woman think she has a unique attraction mechinism that is unique to them?”

Golden Pussy Syndrome. Their only chance to keep you as a provider is to convince you that they are different, unique, and worth putting up with. In reality they are barely different from the 10,000 women that look and act like them in the nearest metropolitan area.

There are alpha women out there, ones who can snag an alpha male for 1+ years, but even they can rarely keep him from seeing others on the side.

“I believe there’s someone better out there for me, not *perfect*, not necessarily *Alpha*, but someone who I would be a much better fit for than my childs father.”

The question is, who’s the best fit for the child? If there are no substance abuse, mental health, horndog or violence issues, my advice would be marry the guy for the good of the child and hope love will grow as it often does in similar situations (and do what you can to make that happen).

It’s not glamorous or calculated to make you feel like a special snowflake or the heroine of a romantic novel, but quite frankly I doubt if you’ll do better holding out for a more exciting guy.

Also remember, if your child is male, the chances of some other guy bonding with him well enough to be accepted as an authority figure are small and if your child is female there’s a non-trivial chance that your perfect guy will try to tap her keg when she hits puberty and is prettier than you…

It’s really quite shocking how little some women care about whether you are married or not. One night one guy introduced me to these girls at a bar by saying I was getting married that week. I was appalled at how it increased their interest in me.

Every woman thinks her pussy is irreplaceable, when in reality past a certain level of cleanliness and packaging they’re all interchangeable and highly fungible.

Not to mention that there are billions of pussy support mechanisms to choose from and they’re all chasing a small subset of males, regardless of the propaganda they use to make themselves feel like something more than interchangeable pieces of meat and to keep the sucker AFCs giving them attention without getting sex in return.

So just make yourself into a member of the alpha subset, or at least an apparent member, stop caring about how any individual woman feels about you, and stop giving women free attention.

It’s not easy if you’re an indoctrinated middle class western male but then to paraphrase a great American an ounce of sweat is worth a gallon of pussy.

A very important post. Both by Whiskey and as elaborated here. The downfall of monogamy and traditional mores /rise of feminism leads not to a nice, every one’s cool and fulfilled and self-actualized and all that bullshit scenario, but to harems and brutality and stagnation. Sure, it’s just a different kind of brutality, some panty-waste pedant might say. But the fact of the matter is that Western brutality, if it is that, basically made the world, whereas Eastern brutality hasn’t invented shit in what, 700 years?

A lot of women chase unrealistic dreams where they have faith giving them high cards, real life god men of flesh and blood.
I hope you are not doing a mistake, i don’t know anything about your kids father, but you haven’t told anything bad about him, why don’t you love him? i understand if you don’t want to explain this, just as a thought for yourself, maybe you are young and you are chasing flashing lights, but they only gives you happiness in misery.

Why do women think it’s an honor for a man to be having sex with them? It’s not a real relationship, ladies. It’s just a biological urge being fulfilled. These women are absolutely pathetic. What is there to brag about in sleeping with someone famous? Money or not, what about the value of yourself? I’m confused, really, by the whole groupie syndrome. Admire someone for their talent, sure, but don’t throw your body into the mix.

It’s no surprise that Tiger Woods was rated as “horrible in bed” by one of his lovers because complaining about men is the way women brag.

Other examples:
“I can’t go to a bar and have a quiet drink with my friends because men keep hitting on me.”
“I wear frumpy clothes and a fake wedding ring, but men still won’t leave me alone.”
“I’m so mad at my boyfriend. He gave me a pearl necklace, and I already have two.”

What’s really odd though, and still without explanation from almost everyone who talks about all this is why the so-called “alpha men” continually put themselves in a situation where they could be married in and in their minds forced to cheat on the side. These girls are totally aware the Bill Clintons and Tiger Woods’ of the world have too much available pussy to ever practically turn it all down, breaking this down to nothing more than a statistics game. Instead these men need to be honest and come out with the fact that they will be having sex with other girls for no other reason than the bell curve demands it, and if the chick they’re with doesn’t like it, move on ’til you find one that does, which shouldn’t take too long accordingly. Also, whenever it comes out that Tiger was getting in to some weird S&M, piss and shit stuff because all other forms of sex have gotten boring for him, don’t surprised. Also don’t be surprised that his wife Elin was probably only ever willing to do it missionary and gave him just one blowjob ever and it was long before the wedding date.

An as an aside, thedcam maxim #231: Only on this blog could the sentence “The infamous cock carousel that spins like a possessed Stephen King-ian carnival ride in our major urban centers is open for business” ever appear.

Alpha PUAs are basically crack cocaine, addictive and temporarily fun, but they’ll ruin you and not care about what happens to you. They could not be more clear about this.

Quality men (of the kind that make good husbands and fathers) are an acquired taste but will ultimately make your life better, not worse.
Do you really think he ever left a woman better off than she was before she knew him?

If you choose to let your brain guide your life choices, chances are things will work out well. Think with your pussy and you’re on your way to becoming a spiritual crack-whore. Enjoy the highs but expect no sympathy when the ride is over and you’ve wrecked your life.

This blase advice is right up there in intelligence with “girl you don’t need him!” Cute, but not very helpful.

I think I might be forced to buy one of those “how to get over him in 90 days” type books.

Do you really think he ever left a woman better off than she was before she knew him?

I think there are probably women who still fantansize about him and smile when certain memories come to mind, but are any of them *better off*? Hmmm, that would be a tough call. They might be more adventurious in bed now and they can take that adventurism right on into their marriages with hapless betas! <———-this was sarcasm

Seriously, I think any relationship that leaves you smarter about the way men and real life works shouldn't be counted as a loss. Even if you got your heart shattered into a million pieces.

@cliff: i seem to recall a line from “The Game” – a slogan to the effect, “always leave them better than you found them.” maybe it was just that,a line, or something aspirational which would always collide with a female’s desire for monogamy and commitment. whatever the case, it did leave me with the idea, at least, that pickup need not equal caddishness.

on topic: this is an insightful expounding of female hypergamy, discussed many times before, with examples ripped from the headlines. but i kinda agree with DF here that it’s more malleable in practice than stated. think of all the married wives who cheat, for example (linking this back to the cuckoldry discussion from the other week.) high status women without moral scruple (the female equivalent of the alpha player), knowing their status, enjoying the attention, and casting a beady eye for the highest alpha to snag, probably do ride the carousel on more than one horse at a time. because they can.

“It’s really quite shocking how little some women care about whether you are married or not. One night one guy introduced me to these girls at a bar by saying I was getting married that week. I was appalled at how it increased their interest in me.”

Tell me about it.

Last New Years Eve, I scored 3 phone numbers and a make-out even AFTER telling women I am married. I was just upfront about it, telling them, “you know, I’m married. Does that matter to you?”

That black blood is some powerful stuff! The african genes must somehow open up a pathway to our more primitive reptile brain or something! Tiger is a mere “Cablanasian” and yet he has been doing all this crazy shit. I sure as hell dont have any sympathy for his scuzzy race-mixing wife and her PC family. She’s getting what she deserves-which is humiliated. She’ll get what she DOESNT deserve,which is a huge windfall,later on. She can take her blonde,blue eyed self back home and her beetle browed ugly brown kids will be the toast of Sweden! I have a feeling Tigers “father” genes are similarly “africanized” so he wont miss the kids too much!

“Why do women think it’s an honor for a man to be having sex with them? It’s not a real relationship, ladies. It’s just a biological urge being fulfilled. These women are absolutely pathetic”

Likewise, why do middle aged cougars think they are “hot” because they can find dudes in their 20s to bang them? Most guys of that age will fuck about anything, so what is so special about that? Talk about being in denial….

By the way, I have limited experience with the sort of women Tiger seems to have kept as mistresses (nightclub hostesses, exotic dancers, etc.). I don’t think any are like, school teachers, right? I could be wrong…

There is a certain type of woman, “groupie” types, who I think actively seek out pro athletes and rock stars.

Pro football players fly them out to all sorts of fun places, they hook up with record executives sometime with long-term mistress arrangements, etc.

From all the stories I’ve seen and what I’ve observed, these women do the approach for the most part. They are extremely bold, and even will go up to the basketball player and whisper in his ear, “My place or yours?” Works for the night, but not if you wanna be with him for life.

(Some of these types of baller-hunters have done total about-faces with my Guy after they saw him roll up in one of his high-end cars… it’s hilarious in how obvious it is… they are sniffing out the money and status – girls of this type hang together and compete over guys a lot.)

OK I’m blabbering now… but I know for me, I’d rather have 100% (or 90%) of a guy who is 70% Alpha, than 10% of a guy who is 100% Alpha .

I could be wrong… but this is my take on the Tiger situation right now.

About a month ago I helped put together a social event between students at my university and those at a neighboring one. I had 3 targets, but there were plenty of other guys orbiting them and running their best “pussy on a pedestal game”. Number closed them all separately. Already fucked 2 of them and still working on the 3rd.

For those men who meet sweet girls and actually believe they’re innocent, one of the fuckees is a devout Christian studying to become a minister in one of the denominations that actually allows females in the ministry. At least she’s not molesting little boys.

I bet all of these mistresses probably APPROACHED Tiger first. He doesn’t seem like he has enough Game to do the hunting. They offered it up and he was like OK.

When you’re someone of Tigers’ status you don’t need to bother approaching.

If one of these women is hotter in bed and younger than Elin, he probably won’t leave his wife… why? Because a woman who lets a man, no matter how Alpha, get her easily comes across as cheap. Once Tiger is no longer on top of his golf game, will she leave him then too? What if his accident crippled his golf arm? Would a ho-wife stick by him?

You’re assuming they care about his game and not his money or fame. Tiger Woods will always be Tiger Woods even after he’s done with golf. Plus he’s got money up the ass. That’s enough incentive to want to stay with him. You think Michael Jordan has any problems getting laid?

“Likewise, why do middle aged cougars think they are “hot” because they can find dudes in their 20s to bang them? Most guys of that age will fuck about anything, so what is so special about that? Talk about being in denial….”

They don’t see it for what it is. Men in their early 20s are often quite low in status but on the up slope. Older woman catch them at relatively equal status on their down slope. Some men of course never move beyond that but others see their status move up in their late 20s and early 30s. In my early 30s even before I knew what any of this was, I was pretty cocky and confident compared to my 20s. I was confident in my 20s but not cocky.

While the maxims appear to make sense they belie a huge risk. Anytime you concentrate large quantities of resources (ie, money, wealth, pussy) even larger risks follow.

So, in Tigers case his 12 pussies off the market seemed like he was cornering the market. In reality, it will cost him double digit milions today ($50 million)….and hundreds of millions over time. Now you say thats peanuts; well it is, FOR HIM. This has shaken him, and his game will suffer for sure.

For most men it translates into divorces, alimony, 12 angry ex-boyfriends, career loss, disease, or death. Everything gets multiplied, and the risks are exponential.
You cant fuck 9 women, and show up for a board meeting, trade billions or argue a huge case.

You cant corner any market for long. The other side of the market will get even…..always. Whether its an ex-wife, sponsor, stiffed hotel bell-hop, or gold digger.

In Tigers case…..he will be sentenced to a life of monagamy….that is if he wants family values endorsements again.

So thats one billionaire getting zero excess pussy for next 40 years. I believe the market balance is restored.

Beta Provider doesn’t “count” as a competing man in a woman’s eyes…”Bob the lawyer” might as well be a bank account number…

Yep. Not every attractive woman is sleeping with George Clooney and Tiger Woods. Most have boring, no Game, beta boyfriends. Among young, attractive hipster and SWPL chicks there is this whole geek-chic ideology that tries to talk up the worst of the worst betas. They cheat at the drop of a hat.

Women will sometimes sleep with one guy who she is sexually attracted while sleeping with another guy who provides material goods, help around the house and/or emotional comfort for her, and they will sometimes try out a new guy before letting go of the old one, but women who sleep with more than two men at a time are vanishingly rare.

Rhianna will find another abusive male because that is what she likes. After having working with abused women vis-a-vis various government social programs in High school and slightly beyond, I found that abusive women sought out abusers and actually rejected men they viewed as beta—god, decent men who would never hit a woman.

When Rhianna gets her ass beaten to death, she’ll get exactly what she wants and deserves. Fuck her and her fake sob story.

one can observe this in the behavior of a man or woman who is cheating on their partner. a cheating woman comes to loathe her husband because she is enthralled by her interloper while a cheating man can maintain attraction to his wife and mistress at the same time.

but i had never thought of it in the way he put it, good job.

on another note, tiger is de facto alpha but he has no game. *he is paying a very high price per extramarital lay*. when have we ever witnessed a shellacking of this magnitude before by a celeb’s ex-lovers? many high powered, wealthy men have multiple mistresses; its a testament to tiger that he goes after waitresses, strippers, and pr0nstars, all women who would sell out in an instant.

also, should high-powered celebs have some sort of training on how to handle these types of situations and multiple mistresses? burning underwear and phone bills, having triple-secured email addresses and such.

“One of the alleged mistresses of Tiger Woods has been accused of giving the golfer a taste of his own medicine by two-timing him with actor George Clooney.

Jaimee Grubbs, 24, was with the heartthrob actor as recently as two months ago, Us Weekly magazine claimed today.

The cocktail waitress told an American television programme last night that she had been with Woods as recently as mid-October.

The magazine quoted a source who claimed that Clooney and Grubbs’ relationship, while clandestine, was still not exactly a secret.

‘The two had been seen out together in public long before the Tiger Woods scandal went down, but because nobody knew who Jaimee was at the time, nobody really made a note of it. All of her friends knew they were hooking up,’ the source was quoted as saying.”

This does tend to knock down whiskey’s thesus, at least as far as “Tiger’s harem” is concerned.

You can be the best at a sport, the best looking, best comedian, best actor, best talker, best gamer, best pua. Whatever a person can excel at and grow in will increase their eligibility to get whatever they want.

Will people care about what/who you are when you have those things? Not really. They only care about the end result for the most part.

Tiger is the best at golf. He is a rich, rich man. He can do whatever he wants. He earned it and is above the law.

How many of you can say the same about yourself?

He has a flat out gorgeous wife and has had countless affairs around the world in five star accommodations. He takes what he wants, when he wants because he knows deep down he deserves it because he is the best. That is the true law of nature.

Think about when you were in a rut and you hated yourself and your success with women or whatever else. Your lack of success hindered future successes because you felt like you didn’t deserve that. (A true beta emotion).

Survival of the fittest. Darwinism. This is constantly in play everywhere in society. People can comment and analyze all they want…but the best people will always be entitled to whatever they want as long as they are the best and they know they are the best (whether reality or fantasy).

Think of times when your social value was at it’s highest and you had amazing reactions from women. Think of times when your perceived value was lower and how this affected your success.

It is what it is. Adapt or fuck off and bitch somewhere else. Go Tiger. We all know if Tiger wasn’t a successful golfer that his wife would be cheating on him before/after/during marriage because she would be higher value than him. Don’t believe me? Look around. Divorce rate…hello.

I wonder the same about why men hide what they do – even CH wrote a post on the Spearhead about how he hid the fact he was seeing multiple women from at least two women. And how he lost one of them when he couldn’t play it off when she questioned (just one moment of Beta was enough to shatter all his Alpha moves)?

**If Tiger can get so many women, what made Elin wife material?**

For those of girls who prefer to be the wife rather than the mistress, this is the key question. Even if he’s cheating on you, you will always be his WIFE.

I think what made Elin special was that she initially rejected his weak approach – he had someone ask her out for him. This instantly sorted her into the “wife material” category vs. “mistress/pump & dump” category.

I bet all of these mistresses probably APPROACHED Tiger first. He doesn’t seem like he has enough Game to do the hunting. They offered it up and he was like OK.

If one of these women is hotter in bed and younger than Elin, he probably won’t leave his wife… why? Because a woman who lets a man, no matter how Alpha, get her easily comes across as cheap. Once Tiger is no longer on top of his golf game, will she leave him then too? What if his accident crippled his golf arm? Would a ho-wife stick by him?

Tiger was not out alph’ed by anyone. He has more money than George Clooney can dream of. The only trump card is his marriage and proof of marital affairs which the court system will deem appropriate for his wife to be entitlted to when marriage comes to a blissful/miserable end.

Do you think Tiger really cares? If he cared what she had to say he wouldn’t have cheated on his wife in the first place.

Girls can be very different. I have had things blow up in my face with church girls that using exactly the same moves that had worked fantastic with girls I had met in the bar.

Try and kiss a 9 on the first date. Boom! Try and kiss an 8 on the second date. Boom! Change things up. Try dating a 7.5 for a couple months without kissing her. Still totally into me, buying me stuff, helping me find a job. Go out with another 7.5. Try to kiss her on the third date. Boom! I think PA has mentioned that you can get away with a lot more betatude with sexually inexperienced girls. I would add that more betatude is frequently required with certain kinds of girls.

On the other hand, the best policy with girls from the bar seemed to be pedal to the metal. Go as fast as they’ll let you go.

Bill Simmons from ESPN had a short interview with Tiger back in ’06. It makes sense that people who are thrust into the limelight are forced to adapt and essentially become more adept socially. It’s easy to carry this line of reasoning into your everyday interactions with girls….more interactions, more practice = more results. Anyway, here’s the quote.

“This seems like a good time to mention my theory about celebrities: Take the dorkiest people on the planet, make them famous, and within four or five years, they wouldn’t be dorky anymore. Why? As soon as they became famous, their entire lives revolve around awkward interactions with people who are either (A) terrified to meet them, (B) kissing up to them, (C) interviewing them or (D) just as famous as they are. They become conditioned to it after a while. Eventually, their confidence swells and they morph into someone else — in any situation, in any room, they’re usually the alpha dog, and they know it. The perfect example is Clay Aiken, the dorky crooner from “American Idol” who slowly morphed into this generation’s Barry Manilow. Ever see Aiken on a talk show now? He’s as smooth as Merv Griffin in his prime. That’s what fame brings, a distinctive poise from being in control all the time. Eventually, you can’t help but become secure and self-assured. It’s inevitable.

So when people call Tiger Woods “dorky,” even if he might have been a little dorky once upon a time, that side was killed off long ago. He’s totally in control at all times. He maintains eye contact when he talks and listens. He’s always smiling. He seems totally at ease in any situation, as though nothing could ever rattle him. He’s measured in his responses, almost like a good politician, never wanting to say the wrong quote. Basically, he’s like any other famous person. I fired a steady stream of questions at him while we traded golf shots, trying to keep him interested, trying to get a feel for him and playing off his answers.”

“He has a flat out gorgeous wife and has had countless affairs around the world in five star accommodations. He takes what he wants, when he wants because he knows deep down he deserves it because he is the best. That is the true law of nature.”

“Tiger is the best at golf. He is a rich, rich man. He can do whatever he wants. He earned it and is above the law.”

Then why would he be stupid enough to cede half of his power to a woman by marrying? He is not above the law because the law will take half of his net worth for his shenanigans. Had he remained single, like George Clooney, he wouldn’t be dealing with this shit.

“One of the alleged mistresses of Tiger Woods has been accused of giving the golfer a taste of his own medicine by two-timing him with actor George Clooney.

Jaimee Grubbs, 24, was with the heartthrob actor as recently as two months ago, Us Weekly magazine claimed today.

The cocktail waitress told an American television programme last night that she had been with Woods as recently as mid-October.

The magazine quoted a source who claimed that Clooney and Grubbs’ relationship, while clandestine, was still not exactly a secret.

‘The two had been seen out together in public long before the Tiger Woods scandal went down, but because nobody knew who Jaimee was at the time, nobody really made a note of it. All of her friends knew they were hooking up,’ the source was quoted as saying.”

This does tend to knock down whiskey’s thesus, at least as far as “Tiger’s harem” is concerned.

It seems like Daily Mail in that article is trying to create a narrative that it has no proof of. Just because the chick banged George Clooney too doesn’t mean she “two-timed” Tiger or that Clooney “out-alphaed” Tiger. If Tiger expected monogamy from his plaything or if she dissed Tiger or cut him off to exclusively be with Clooney then maybe that narrative would be true. But she was not his only mistress, furthermore she doesn’t even seem to have been his MAIN mistress. I’m pretty sure as long as Tiger got to bang it out whenever he wanted, he didn’t really care if Clooney got some too.

You are totally undermining the already shaky world model of the pickup artist… what do you have to say for yourself

If we follow this model, then every extremely desirable woman (read: really hot) will have someone she is seeing. When you, a stranger come up, most likely 95% of these women will have “a boyfriend”.

One the one hand, pickup artists say “boyfriend shmoyfriend” and will attempt to cock her at the first opportunity, leaving the poor chap in the dust. And chances are, that “poor chap” is way richer and more influential than the player prowling the bars trying to get in her pants.

On the other hand, if a chick goes to a bar without her boyfriend, or even with, she is looking for new possibilities. Clubs – also, although I think that’s just more dance floor grinding -> take her home kind of place.

So how do you explain the apparent CONTRADICTION between your post, which basically says women will stick to 1 guy at a time, and pickup artist ideology, which says FUCK HER BEHIND HER BOYFRIEND’S BACK IT IS WHAT A REAL MAN WOULD DO?

[editor: some women with BFs are open to being approached because they already have one foot out of the relationship. PUAs are fooling themselves if they think they can easily steal women who are deeply in love and/or infatuated with their BFs.]

@anonI will admit that I am as prone as any woman to the ‘biker type’ – carefree and seemingly on top of the world quasi-alpha. But I … I learned better. When it came to choosing a male for me, I made a list of qualities that I needed in my mate for life.

> Then why would he be stupid enough to cede half of his power to a woman by marrying?

Its been said before, but maybe he doesnt care that much. Hes nearly a billionaire, some say, but it could be a useless by-product of loving the game and being king.

Obviously, while it could be best to write a pre-nup in some cases, it is or at least seems a bit anti-romantic (at least in some cases) and most would prefer to avoid it. I might well not bother, if I were him. Why not risk 500 mil, if you dont give a damn? What else would you risk it on, if you dont like gambling or investing? Whats the use of investing at that point, unless you really enjoy it more than other things you could be doing?

Among young, attractive hipster and SWPL chicks there is this whole geek-chic ideology that tries to talk up the worst of the worst betas. They cheat at the drop of a hat.

this is something that needs addressing. he has talked about feminine dudes who are successful with alternative chicks, but those guys are usually running some form of alpha game. there’s a whole other phenomenon of girls settling for, or in some cases seeming to prefer, very beta, effeminate, SWPL guys. the conventional wisdom here is that all women instinctually crave alphas and that things have gotten worse for the average man because average women now eschewing betas for casual hookups with alphas.

those two things don’t go together at first glance. so what is the explanation?

But did he do it just to one-up Woods? Just based on her appearance, I literally would not have sex with that girl for free, for nothing, no strings attached, no one has to know, etc. I would rather jerk it and imagine someone attractive.

Word to the wise: Never marry a woman with children……Put another way….you were not her first choice.

This not necessarily true. I’m a single mother. I have the option right now of getting back together with the father of my child (and actually getting married, rare for too many black women) who makes pretty good money as a Marine currently serving in Afghanistan. i could be a happy stay-at-home Mom. But the bottom line is that the marriage would be a disaster cause I don’t love him, he doesn’t love me, and the only glue that sticks us together is our child. I believe there’s someone better out there for me, not *perfect*, not necessarily *Alpha*, but someone who I would be a much better fit for than my childs father.”

This encapsulates what’s wrong. In a civilized world, you two would shut the fuck up about not loving eachother and raise the god damn child. The child’s welfare is way more important than that of your vagina or your baby-daddy’s penis.

I read this today in collegehumor’s weekly “dating bloopers/confessions” article. This could top buying a girl skittles.

“My boyfriend sent me a text one morning saying there would be a big surprise waiting for me when I got home. I spent the rest of the day wondering what it was, entertaining fantasies of him buying me flowers, doing the dishes, etc…Ten exhausting hours later I walk in the door to find him standing there, pants around his ankles, saying “look baby! I shaved my balls! Doesn’t it look bigger?”
-Anonymous

> Word to the wise: Never marry a woman with children. No matter how “moral” and “virtuous” you may think you are or made to feel you are willfully signing up to be a beta provider. Put another way….you were not her first choice.

EXCEPTION: Widows.

If the mother can say to her children: “Daddy died of cancer/in in the line of duty/ defending our country”, then she might be acceptable.

I wouldn’t raise another dude’s kids… but I wouldn’t doubt a widows’s character a priori.

I try to like women, but, they are just too boring/stupid/self centered to keep my interest.

Guys like Tiger, BTW, are just parasites on the betas, who not only support him to enjoy watching him win (despicable beta trait) but will be the ambulance drivers who pick his drunk body out of the street.

This used to be an excellent blog. That’s not to say that it isn’t still okay, even good on occasion, but it’s far from where it used to be.

It wasn’t long ago when there were 1000 comment posts, and when 600-700 comment posts were regular occurrences. That was when he would post in the comments a couple of times each day, when each post was a solid blog, outstandingly written, and with quality insight. Now it’s a semi-witty or irrelevant post about dietary habits or whatever, various political thoughts, and an occasionally good post. – you don’t even give answers to ‘A test of game’ – it’s your answers that make it interesting, not the scenario-writing.

The regular readers and contributors have gone, and I’m really not surprised, as many of the posts just seem phoned in. I know I don’t have to read it, I know I can vote with my feet (browser), I know it’s freedom of expression. Still – a shame, because a year ago this was the best stuff on the net.

[editor: you might be right. maybe i need to recharge my creative juices. beer? drugs? dumping the ltr? must consider.]

I hope you are not doing a mistake, i don’t know anything about your kids father, but you haven’t told anything bad about him, why don’t you love him?

Without going into too much detail, my daughters father made a series of decisions that ultimately led to my losing respect for him and his ability to make decisions. He didn’t cheat on me, not that I know of and that he has ever admitted to, but he did other things that I feel were unforgivable. (I’m still trying to forgive, really, I am) I don’t need the man that I love to be rich or famous or an Alpha but I do need to be able to lay my head down at night next to a man that I have respect for and that I know puts his family’s (specifically his wife and children) welfare and happiness first. I don’t trust my childs father to do that. His decision making and emotional stability is too shaky for me.

Also, since our child has been born he’s been to Iraq twice and now he’s in Afghanistan. I don’t want to be a military spouse, where I’m married and have all the responsibilities that come along with that but I’m essentially alone almost all the time anyway.

I’ve been single since he and I broke up so there is no parade of men in and out of my bedroom and life in front of my daughter. I would like to raise her to be a much better woman than I’ve been and to have the morals and values to get married to someone to loves, respects, and wants to live her life with BEFORE having children. I grew up in a family where marriage b4 kids is scarce so I didn’t have any role models for how this whole family thing was supposed to be done. I take my daughter to church, want her to stay a virgin until marriage, and like I said, basically be a much better woman than her mother knew how to be. I think the best thing I can do for her is to explain that her father and mother love her, were waaaay too young and immature to be having kids, but didn’t know any better. Hopefully she’ll understand and wont make the same mistake.

I’ve been saying the same thing for awhile- women prefer one cock at a time.

I really started thinking hard about this about a year ago after a string of dates with women who showed all of the classic signs of high interest when they were with me, but were otherwise total flakes and/or wouldn’t allow me to escalate.

One situation that really drove the point home was when I started messing with my buddy’s ex. I had her in my bed fingering her dripping wet pussy a couple of times just to get shut down. “You have no idea how much I’d love to, but I just can’t…….”

Later I came to find out that he was still banging her at the time. I had a rockstar townhouse downtown with a rooftop jacuzzi and two nice cars in the garage, he had a big ass house on a lake with a pool, gameroom, dock with a badass wakeboarding boat, M3 in the garage, etc. The difference between the two of us was that he was subsidizing her rent. Ain’t sayin’ she a golddigga……

Anyway, the lesson here is to learn how to spot these chicks who are window shopping while they pine for some married rich dude. I’ve had my share of them over the past couple of years so I can sniff them out a mile away.

In addition to the paradox of PUA’s claim “the boyfriend doesn’t matter” (which is often the case) versus the “alpha got that pussy on lock down”, I think it should be noted that this also flies in the face of the idea that game is the end all be all.

Game is great and you can call Tiger a “paper alpha” all you want, but at the end of the day he has higher sexual market value than all of us combined.

If all you’re looking for is to get laid with hot women, 2 is a better bet. You have a much better chance at succeeding and you’re going directly after your goal. The world’s 600 best golfer probably doesn’t get any pussy from it but the world’s 600th best PUA gets laid like a champ.

Most women aren’t smart (I’m a woman, I’m, by most definitions ‘smart’ – but women with advanced degrees in math are RARE). I have little to talk about with most women, as I dislike irrational thinking that extends from circular logic. Thus most of my friends are men.

I will admit that I am as prone as any woman to the ‘biker type’ – carefree and seemingly on top of the world quasi-alpha. But I actually knew better – OK, I learned better, but the lesson was a one-off. Most women I know never seem to have that sink in… One bad relationship to another, usually with married men, or men that are so obviously just getting sexed up.

When it came to choosing a male for me, I made a list of qualities that I needed in my mate for life. Most of them had to do with similar/identical values but also a few interests that are non-optional. It took me a long time to find him, and a lot of Saturday nights alone as I do not compromise. I was willing to spend the rest of my life alone rather than with someone that was not going to be exactly right. However, here we are 16 years later and still walking shoulder to shoulder.

I say it can happen. I also say it is as rare as diamonds in beach sand.

Tiger Woods ‘women’ are bone-heads. I would posit that so are his women (if, indeed, he is not an all-out fabricator). At least when it comes to rational thought.

As I said, most women are irrational and riding that ‘cock carousel’ (very good!!!) and completely unaware that they are being taken for a ride…

Jamilla wrote:
“This not necessarily true. I’m a single mother. I have the option right now of getting back together with the father of my child (and actually getting married, rare for too many black women) who makes pretty good money as a Marine currently serving in Afghanistan. i could be a happy stay-at-home Mom. But the bottom line is that the marriage would be a disaster cause I don’t love him, he doesn’t love me, and the only glue that sticks us together is our child. I believe there’s someone better out there for me, not *perfect*, not necessarily *Alpha*, but someone who I would be a much better fit for than my childs father.”

You prove my point.

He was your first choice since you had his kids. He is also your first choice to marry but you will not because of his choices you mentioned in a previous response above. Now…you are looking for a beta provider with the expectation that he must be willing to spend his resources raising someone else’s children.

Tiger Woods would have been a better looking woman than he is as a man.

He has beta-face. His features will probably allow him to father a pretty daughter, but an effiminate-looking boy.

Its all there: chipmunk cheeks, oversized eyes, sensual cupid’s bow mouth, rounded forehead, high brow, narrow chin. Those are the features that make a pretty girl. Tiger is stuck with them. If he were a golf caddy with a soft voice, he’d need serious game to bed 7+ females, but he is rich and famous.

I find it interesting that the same features that make men handsome (flat, low brow, large square chin, intense eyes, large mandible, bold nose, lots of flat planes and sharper angles…………..), tend to make women look mannish and is considered a impediment to their other charms (nice bodies). The features that make women look uber-effminate, look beta on men. God, selection, whatever……..has played a trick on us all. Billy Joel and his cute daughter are a perfect example of this. They look exactly alike, but she is cute. He’s a good guy and all, but has never been considered sexy.

BTW—–“fuckhole” needs to get into the national slut-shaming lexicon. Use it in anger sometime, you’ll make her jaw drop.

Steve J- contrary to popular belief on blogs such as this, there is a little more to life than racking up triple digit numbers in the bedroom.

How many Tigers and Dale Jrs and Clooneys and Bransons are there out there? Not many. The good news is that most women will never have access to these men. You don’t HAVE to be the #1 anything to have high enough status that women will beat down your door to get with you.

The problem with the whole PUA culture is that it breeds complacency in other areas of life. “I can fuck as many women as I want, why should I bother trying to be #1?” is a common attitude. It’s akin to saying “I can pay my bills with my job. Why should I save/invest?”

You limit yourself to two options. Become the next Tiger or learn how to talk women out of their panties. I don’t limit myself to two options. I add a third, and it reads something like this:

3) Work to build my empire while simultaneously learning what makes women (and people in general) tick. This includes knowledge and even use of “game”.

When you are 50 years old what’s the difference between having fucked 30 women and having fucked 200 women? Not much.

When you are 50 years old what’s the difference between having thrown up your hands saying “I’ll never be Tiger Woods, might as well learn game” and having led a balanced life that includes establishing your share of wealth/status/power?

This article in the Wall Street Journal really points out some painful truths about women, which are pertinent to this thread and the previous thread.

I include it here because the WSJ requires a password.

Read it and think.

Wives Who Kiss and Tell, and Tell, and Tell
By ERIC FELTEN

Pity the man whose wife writes a memoir.

Consider Elizabeth Weil’s husband, Dan. On Sunday, in the New York Times Magazine, Ms. Weil previewed a memoir she is writing about their effort to improve their marriage. She doesn’t stint on the frisky bits—or rather, what she proclaims to be the insufficiently frisky bits. The conjugal part of their equation is apparently “not terribly inventive.” Ms. Weil derides their “safe, narrow little bowling alley of a sex life” and tells us that she and her husband “hadn’t been talking to each other while having sex. And not making eye contact either.” One thing’s for sure: If that hesitation to make eye contact suggested a certain reticence, Ms. Weil has overcome it.

Dan’s wife is just one of the legion of women scribblers eager to divulge the intimate details of their marriages. The hot new genre is the tell-all of sexual disappointment written by women having their Peggy Lee moment: “Is That All There Is?” Male writers are well behind this curve, retaining some vestigial hesitation to expose their wives in print. This reflects a basic social norm: No husband I know speaks out of school about his wife. You wouldn’t trust any man who did. Say what you will about the male half of the species—famous for its promiscuous and predatory proclivities—but they can be remarkably discreet about the intimate aspect of marriage. Whether this is stoicism or a residual chivalry, it is a core part of the male code. Consider Tiger Woods’s alleged transgressions: Perhaps the most appalling of them is the report that he prattled on to one of his cookies about how she connected with him in a way his wife did not. As if cheating weren’t bad form enough.

Women, by contrast, seem to be at somewhat greater liberty to share private matters. This can be reflected in trivial indiscretions. DoubleX, a blog on Slate, asked its contributors for their Christmas wish lists. First up was Rachael Larimore, who proclaimed “All I want for Christmas is for my hubby to get a vasectomy. And he is!” I’m sure that made his day. Still, that’s nothing compared to what gets aired in coffee klatches, where, according to writers such as Sandra Tsing Loh, the ladies get together to talk about how their husbands haven’t touched them in years.

Ms. Loh, who published a memoir about mommyhood last year, is one of those writers whose husbands you have to pity. In her 2008 book, “Mother on Fire: A True Motherf%#$@ Story About Parenting!,” she laments that her “salt of the earth” spouse, Mike, is too even-keeled and practical to give her the steamy loving she craves. You can guess where that was heading. This summer Ms. Loh began chronicling her divorce in the pages of the Atlantic Monthly, sharing with all and sundry that, after the thrill of a hot and heavy extramarital affair, she decided not to go to all the trouble—the “arduous home- and self-improvement project”—of falling back in love with her boring old spouse. “I would not be able to replace the romantic memory of my fellow transgressor with the more suitable image of my husband,” she wrote. Poor Mike. One would think that having a wife cat around would be enough of an assault on his manhood. But just to twist the blade she has to explain to anyone willing to pick up a magazine that his marriage failed because he couldn’t cut it in the passion department.

Perhaps the most savage example of this genre is Julie Powell’s recent “Cleaving.” Her first book, 2005’s “Julie & Julia,” was something of a stunt project—Ms. Powell chronicled her attempt to work her way through Julia Child’s “Mastering the Art of French Cooking.” The book was a huge success, as we know, making her name and fortune. What to do next? Ms. Powell decided to embark on a double-stunt: apprenticing with a butcher and indulging in “rough and tumble” infidelity. “Cleaving” is an excruciating read, in no small part because of the humiliation it heaps upon her cuckolded husband. Eric Powell, to whom she has been married for years, is spared no embarrassment. By contrast, the man with whom she has a kinky and obsessive affair is identified with only a “D.” For him, she is discreet.

In response to critics repulsed by her tawdry exhibitionism, Ms. Powell recently wrote she finds it odd some people don’t like her penchant to “overshare.” She asks: “Do you want to read a memoir by a person who undershares?” Well, frankly, yes.

Elizabeth Weil explained in the New York Times Magazine that she has chosen, for her memoir stunt, to march herself and her husband through all the varieties of modern marriage counseling. That gives her two tranches of material to talk about: (1) the various schools of couples therapy; and (2) the intimate details of her relationship with her husband, as revealed in all the therapeutic settings. But you do have to wonder how much Ms. Weil understands about what makes counseling, or relationships for that matter, work. One of the first psychoanalysts she and her husband visit starts their session by “closing a double set of soundproof doors.” It’s a nice, concrete expression of the private space needed for love and marriage to have a chance. Too bad Ms. Weil didn’t get the hint.

Discretion isn’t everything—Tiger Woods, after all, seems to have managed his affairs discreetly for a while—but it is an antidote to our collective overdose on Too Much Information. If Ms. Weil would really like to improve her marriage, here’s a good place to start: Don’t write about it in the New York Times.

Single mothers are an immediate deal-breaker. There’s a reason that rule NUMBER ONE is “no single mothers.” And that’s for just dating, to say nothing of marriage.

Only a complete sucker asshole is going to look after some other man’s leavings. Single mothers are either the completely delusional type, like this Jamila, who is irrationally overconfident in her ability to snag a “good” man after having given birth to another man’s bastard, and is still dragging the little out-of-wedlock tyke around as baggage for the next sucker to be saddled with. The other type is the obese, chopped-hair, resigned type (who used to delude herself into thinking she could find another man), but is not just an amorphous marshmallow of failure and self-loathing.

Single motherhood is one of the top banes of our society. The evidence of the havoc it wreaks upon children is immense and oft-cited. The legions of needy mouths it creates for the expanding federal teat makes it a big-government gorge-fest. And finally, the hordes of half-filled-potential, bitter, fat, stretched-vag, used-up women it leaves in its wake, many with unrealistic expectations about what men and the world “owe” them, makes me sick.

I wish we were back in the olden days…shame unmarried, out-of-wedlock mothers so much that they fall off the face of the earth. A strong, dominating society has no real use or place for these soiled doves, who are both an affront to the ideal environment for raising strong children, and to the ideal role of women in society. A pox on them.

Now…you are looking for a beta provider with the expectation that he must be willing to spend his resources raising someone else’s children.

I’m looking for a Christian man who is committed to his faith, of good character (peaceful, patient, loving, kind), and who also wants marriage and more kids. Everything else besides those characteristics is negotiable. Currently, I’m in school to become a nurse and can expect to make a very nice income from that degree alone. I also have plans for a business.

I don’t care how much a guy makes because in all likelyhood I’ll end up making way more money than him anyhow. I want someone who is supportive to my ambition but understands that I put God first, family second, and then career. One of the main reasons that I am so committed to making money is so that in case I marry a man who makes virtually nothing compared to me I would still be able to stay home for a while with my children, and the income from my business will be able to support the lifestyle that we as a family would be accustomed to.

Every women who works hard isn’t some hard b*tch who doesn’t care about children or having a genuine give-and-take relationship with a flesh and blood man.

“Yes they do…all they have do is ask. The current “hookup culture” allows below avg to avg women to slut it up beyond their wildest dreams with Alpha males, thus making it harder for your avg guy.”

There are alpha males on just about every street in the world. There are relatively few Super Mega Alpha Billionaire Celebrities out there.

So you want to be an “average” guy? Good luck with that.

What’s with the idea that you will never be able to compete with the alpha’s? What’s the plan? Learn some game to level the sexual playing field? That’s great, but instead of devoting 20 hours a week to gaming women, why not devote half of that to BECOMING a well rounded, desirable male?

Is this a side effect of the laziness of Gen x/y? I’ve never understood the lack of ambition in the under 40 crowd…..

unlearning genius said “Amen! So you want two marshmallows tomorrow as opposed to one today.”

Life is about balance. The guy who wastes his entire existence trying to fuck as many different women as possible is just as bad as the guy who works too much and has no social life.

I realize that this blog is geared toward a few relatively specific topics, but it seems that the benefits of having wealth/status/power are often downplayed while the concept of game is overhyped.

Yea, you can learn game in a year and it might take you 10-20 years to amass a kingdom, but the prudent thing for the enlightened male to do is work on both. Chances are you are gonna be around long after you care to be chasing women all day long, so you might as well prepare yourself.

Just read some of Tiger’s exchange w/ Jaimee Grubbs, and I must say his text game is better than the vast majority of dreck that gets posted here. Read and learn.

Oct. 1, 6:06 p.m.
Jaimee: is it orange county time yet?
Tiger: oh stop🙂
Jaimee: hahaha I know … but you canceled on me last time so the anticipation is killing me … im finding myself watching sports center … haha j/k it isn’t that bad
Tiger: its never been that bad
Jaimee: very true … I only watch football
Tiger: Figured you would say that. Big black guys.
Jaimee: u are my first, last and only black guy! U should feel special
Tiger: why do I not believe that?
Tiger: [later, in response to Jaimee’s mention of a date who was “full of himself”] you kinda like that for some reason which is weird why you decided on me.
Tiger: having an asian mother and a military father you cannot and will not ever be full of yourself
Jaimee: I have fun with u, you always make me smile and I am not afraid to be myself or say anything to u … the day I met u I thought u were going to kick me out a few times but for someone reason you didn’t and u have told me numerous times I talk to much but slowly as I get to know u iI think your absolutely amazing
Tiger: you are wrong I’m bone thugs in harmon

Oct. 15, 6:40 p.m.
Jaimee: Something wrong babe?I was excited to sepnd time with u this week
Tiger: I will you Sunda night. Its the only night in which I am totally free but I have to leave at 530 Monday morning to drive up to the valley for an outing for one of my sponsors. See you at 8 pm on Sunday in newport
Tiger: don’t text me back till tomorrow morning. I have to many people around me right now

Oct. 18, 3:40 p.m
Tiger: send me something very naughty
Jaimee: some things are worth waiting for lol … besides im at work
Tiger: go to the bathroom and take it
Jaimee: haha ur too much

Helena Andrews…typical vapid career bitch. Ticks of her list of material, consumerist “achievements” that attempt to fill the feminist void in her soul.

This is the oldest story in the book, it’s been told a million times of the successful careerist who can’t find a man. Even the black version of this tired tale has been turned into several movies…apparently it’s a tried a true formula, as someone has optioned her book.

Also, I hate how the media always clamors about all of these black people who are “post-racial,” but the entire focus of the story is their being black, as opposed to just another boring, vapid, career grrrrl in the city (which they are). Take away the sprinkle of identity-politics sass and this is just a tale of millions of try-vag’d bints. It’s all here: the overemphasis on fashion and wardrobe, the laying-it-on-thick about how “fulfilling” the career is, the ever-loyal dog instead of a man.

Let’s be real: these women get off on convincing themselves that they are “too accomplished” to find a man, that men have not had as much success as they have in life. This is utter bullshit. It’s almost a certainty that there are more accomplished 29 year old men that women in the workplace–“good” jobs, salaries, etc. These women pretend that they are too accomplished as a way of dulling the pain that no one wants them. Their male counterparts are all living the blessed single life rather than take the plunge with an icy bitch, or all in relationships with women who maintain a modicum of a feminine gender role.

T is on the warpath tonight…what else. These feelgood articles always try to portray these women as just like other “successful” urban grrrls, but a light skimming reveals that they haven’t lost the dinginess of unappealing urban culture…the lackadaisical attitude towards men, the black female bitchiness, the idea that all relationships are with a cock-carousel of “boos.” The veneer of bitchiness is a coping mechanism that fools these broads into thinking they get respect, but at most they get grudging acceptance and are left alone for fear of some kind of lawsuit. Professional, careerist bitch is one of the most loathed archetypes in our society, and I do love it when women convince themselves that it is a desirable role to play. Good luck finding that man of yours, toots.

Lastly, “Born in California, grew up on Catalina Island and in Los Angeles. Her mother is a lesbian. She has seen her father once, when she was 6 months old. When Helena was 7, her mother decided to move to Spain, but the girl’s grandmother kidnapped her.” This is not a normal life, and this kind of helter-skelter childhood, bankrupt of any kind of an anchoring, traditional upbringing, is bound to screw someone up. Case in point: Helena Andrews. Let’s stop writing articles about these fringe cases.

@str8up
“Is this a side effect of the laziness of Gen x/y? I’ve never understood the lack of ambition in the under 40 crowd…..”

First of all you seem like a fairly level headed guy, the type of guy who has probably NEVER been so bad with women/social life that he would even find a need for this type of culture.

You have to consider a lot of the guys in the PUA culture are guys who NEED to be here, myself included. I’m a smart guy, at 23…I already had an MBA. I work as a consultant, I’ve worked with Microsoft, Apple, Visa, Coca Cola etc. I’ve managed large global, multi million dollar projects and I’m only 26. I’m at a point in life where I’m tired of being smart, tired of working hard, tired of being seen as boring…I just want to lose my virginity.

I recently told my boss to fuck off recently and as of 1/15/09, I won’t even have a job anymore and it was the best decision I’ve ever made.

Most of us are fairly successful…how else do you think all these “PUA gurus” can actually run massively successful businesses, charge guys hundreds or thousands of dollars just for a “bootcamp.

A guy like you probably can’t relate to the types of guys who read these blogs.

What again is your basis for complaining about the way things are now?

I for one would certainly rather fuck Tiger as Mistress # 173 for a few months if the alternative is lifelong marriage to some beta and few if any other sex partners. Ick. The thought of that just made me throw up in my mouth a little.

I for one would certainly rather fuck Tiger as Mistress # 173 for a few months if the alternative is lifelong marriage to some beta and few if any other sex partners. Ick. The thought of that just made me throw up in my mouth a little.

Not to worry — you will still be able to get a few weeks worth of debauched sex with men who will never love you.

And, given the information disseminating throughout the internet, you needn’t worry about some lesser men considering you as anything more than a cum-bucket.

Thanks for the kind words. I think the comment was on Ferdinand Bardimus’ blog, or perhaps the Spearhead.

With Woods, if you look at his women, and throw out the two porn stars and the “Tool Academy” reality show contestant Grubbs, the rest could have made perfectly good girlfriends/wives. Woods is now up to 13 confirmed mistresses, while Married, which meant he monopolized 14 women including his wife. Throw out (again) the two porn stars / semi-hookers, and the reality show gal Grubbs, and that makes 11 women so far (with more sure to come) he took off the market.

Not all in fact were “slutty.” One was a 20 year old waitress, there were a bunch of waitresses, including a local to Woods house IHOP waitress, a BBC news reader, a nightclub marketing manager, an event promoter, and so on. While it seems probable that the porn stars and perhaps Grubb were not particularly exclusive to Woods, the rest seem to have been. As noted, one laments she has put herself off the market to chase Tiger Woods.

Mohammed bin Laden, Osama’s father, famously had 22 wives. He’d “divorce” one when he got bored (after first siring a kid with her) and give her to a lower or higher ranked employee depending on how well she’d pleased him. So the employee got a used sex toy and the big man’s spawn who he hated and feared. This happened to bin Laden at age 9. Tiger is not that different in kind from Mohammed bin Laden. A few big shots can monopolize easily 20 women or more. [I’m sure Tiger’s count will reach into that number and perhaps more.]

None of these women will be suited for marriage or LTR to any “ordinary” guy after tasting the fame of Tiger Woods. You’ll notice Monica Lewinsky is still single — the market for ex-famous guy mistresses is small for marriage-minded men.

“Men like Tiger and celebrities and the rich would have multiple wives and the average guys would be alone and frustrated.”

Well they don’t marry them, but they sure as heck churn through throngs of them and keep them aroused with promises of permanent coupling. This philandering also convinces many other females fluttering in the vicinity that they have a chance too. Thus females really starve the average males around them due to their many starry-eyed assumptions about what they have access to, and put on the air of exclusivity only to increase their chances of looking good for mister big shot. This is only made worse in an economy that caters to women (well, hot ones) and allows them to skirt from job to job on a whim because women begin to lose respect for money. This as well as allowing them to stay in a childlike pubescent state for longer than ever. Call it the counterpart to the male Peter Pan scenario, but many women who appear to lack empathy, ditch old flings like kleenex and indulge in wild female cravings (shoes, fashion, toy dogs… etc.) are just women who have no fear of losing anything because jobs are really given to them on a platter and know when one well runs dry they can hitch a ride to another in a heartbeat.

See our country has harems, they’re just virtual. It’s all masked under the cover of serial monogamy. Hunky guys and sweet girls are always crooning about hooking up, because they know that serial monogamy is the reality. The hunky guys get access to the cute girl’s clique of females, thus creating a hidden harem. The girls may date other males, but often they are of equal quality and in low frequency. This serial monogamy is supposed to confer the best of both worlds to both the alpha males and the many females circling them. This is because for one thing the female is allowed to maintain respectability in the eyes of others by attaching herself psychologically to a handful of choice men. Conversely the alpha gets to conquer the various women under the cover of relationships, thus disguising the true number of women he owns (and shares with his alpha pals) to the beta males who slave away at maintaining order to society.

The betas slave so hard, sacrificing their bodies, state of mind and life for a rare chance to feel like an alpha that the serial monogamy veil is needed so that the beta doesn’t abandon his post due to feeling cheated. Beta operate on the hope that with time they’ll earn enough raw capital to snag a woman of high caliber, or more likely the hot chick’s dumpy friend that works on Saturdays. But this is a false promise oftentimes. The female that is so valued to the beta is often considered leftovers by the alpha. The female herself merely resents being left in the male wastelands and often compromises herself with marriage to a naive male. The beta often overvalues a female and due to sex starvation attempts to please the female by performing social scripts such as marriage. The beta probably even knows that these social scripts are meant to keep people such as him in line and noncompetitive, but with the promise of steady sex according to a Hollywood blueprint, this is ignored. A life of paranoia, sexual frustration and divorce is likely as the beta discovers that married life is a sick trap. Marriage in contemporary society is merely meant to coddle women full of regrets with a door prize. The same female ill fit to polish the alpha’s shoes.

The beta in this situation is so thirsty for a drink of water he would drink the saliva that women spat on the ground. However the awful pickings left to the betas is compounded by the heaven given to the alphas. This is because by the time the beta earns enough confidence/social nods/money to get a female of high sexual value to respect him the females of his generation have already gathered the bile of looseness from the alphas they truly pursue. If the betas were to see the true number of females the alphas were harvesting, and the true magnitude of sexual thrills that were given to the alpha for free – in the form of threesomes, anal sex and circus positions – they would kill the alpha and many females in torrents of jealousy. They would see that women as an entity have essentially doomed the many men to a life of misery and pornography as the society slowly transitions back to a fiefdom.

Right now the society is at a precipice. The entire reason sites like this exist is because of growing bitterness at the flowering of sexual escapades in a shameless society, yet, fewer and fewer males gaining access to this transcendence. Females are using their newfound freedoms to ostracize many men for cheap female fantasies of scoring perfection. The constellation of media programs give the average human a measure of what to expect from success when dealing with the opposite sex. In measures of beauty and in quantity. Media has become such a powerful tool because of its potential to showcase your sexual strengths. Advertising yourself is extremely important in this new media ocean. Money offers some sexual currency… but fame offers the whole bank account.

Beautiful females will always have the market strength of beauty on their side, that is not the dilemma. Acquiring money through beauty was always the case then as is it the case now. Money, as we all know, is only one form of status, the other two are looks and leadership.

No the dilemma is that females when given access to capital – much like the capital of employment – they then take it for granted. They fall back on choosing looks and leadership in the males they want, looks being the more available of the two. With money being less important to females men have less and less opportunity to fall back on that status marker to buy sex. The bitter winds of rejection most males experience in high school is practically what is taking place in the outer world.

In high school the teen girls didn’t really think about a guy’s earning potential when seeking dates. No girl would go out with a guy because he got a perfect score on his SAT. That is too abstract and almost abnormal in the mating game. Teen girls went after males that looked good and were leaders that’s it. Money was a third element left to the far off world of adults. This harsh requirement also explains the complete contempt many males and a few grotesque females feel about High School. Sexual prominence couldn’t be earned like money. You were either born looking hot or had a commanding presence, or not. The few males with these natural charms received all the attention from the female cliques, and extended that ego boost into harassing the less fortunate males around them.

Tv is the main sexual competitive device for teens. As TV shows and internet vids accept more and more pornographic material as mainstream for High Schoolers the females become more receptive to ever more extreme forms of sex, which incidentally makes the alphas drool with smugness because they know they’ll receive the lions share of it. Conversely the beta males merely get to wallow in loneliness, self-hatred and weight gain as their fantasy conquests get destroyed by a few plucky pretty boys. But the breaking point of this skewed status arrives in the form of school shootings. This is when a particular beta’s exclusion from the sex rumors become too much. The high likelihood of the treasured females indulging in group sex at the behest of alpha males is the ultimate sign of the beta male’s exclusion from the human race. Group sex with multiple females is as much a sexual event as a psychological one, as the attractive females set aside differences to become impregnated by a chosen man, representing his place at the top of the hierarchy and also representing the death of many males below him.

Now take the teenage girls from this High School example and extrapolate them into the modern economy, and that is the source of the pain in the modern male. Many of these professional women walking around looking all hot and cute still have that teen girl inside of them making decisions. On top of that pornography is telling the alphas all the proceeds they can get in the new sexual Veldt. The betas can do nothing but sit back, watch and groan.

All of this lost potential, paralyzed by steely females, merely deepens the psychosis on the part of the beta male. Men need sex in order to feel strong. Women have no counterpart to this. They may like money, but they don’t lust over it in their minds thousands of times a day. They may like shopping, but they don’t dream about raiding the store night after night. They may like boys, but they don’t pleasure themselves while thinking about breaking into the boys cabin at summer school. Men need sex. Without it the same chain of events that occur in a High School saturated with fickle sexually open girls, their arrogant male studs and abandoned males will occur on a national scale. The High School shooting is merely the teenage equivalent of the vengeance that may occur if the sex orchards do not distribute their fruit more equally.

“Societies with that many angry men are crime ridden and volatile. Case in point is any Islamicist country like Taliban controlled areas of Afghanistan.”

Women now expect their men to be polished and perfect before they have this fruitless, yet incredibly hot sex with them. This was not the case in the past. You could even say that women are demanding looks out of males at an equal rate that men demand. Many men strive, genetically, to play catch up.

In America at least the sexual dynasties are controlled by the many women who exclude themselves to a pitch perfect type of male. In time the virtual harems will harden into actual ones. What you are seeing is the prelude to a final form.

In this scenario women will openly get impregnated by these athletes and movie stars and not care as they can simply demand high paying jobs to pay for their kids (or trick the huge sea of betas into marrying them.) But even more awful is what happens when many women realize that they don’t even need movie stars. Instead women will begin to pool money together and give the proceeds to choice men that they want to be impregnated by. It’s really the same thing as a movie star, it just gifts the male for being born with looks. This is the ultimate result of fantasy prone females being given the level of the economy. The total abolition of the utilitarian male for the ornamental one. This effect is being seen with teachers banging younger male students. The females, free to choose, are plucking males they like the look of, because obviously they have no money or leadership. This is the future, and it is bleak for most males, even worse for the society as violence fills the widening sexual void.

She’s getting what she deserves-which is humiliated. She’ll get what she DOESNT deserve,which is a huge windfall,later on. She can take her blonde,blue eyed self back home and her beetle browed ugly brown kids will be the toast of Sweden! I have a feeling Tigers “father” genes are similarly “africanized” so he wont miss the kids too much!

It is particularly fortunate that Tiger’s mother-in-law is a former Swedish minister of immigration. The lesson, if she’s able to learn it, is sure to bear fruit through her.

Most people who comment here are incapable of including many variables into their algebra. They simply are mentally incapable of including unknowns into their mental maps. This of course precludes the possibility of planning for and being prepared for unknown contingencies.

I’m of the opinion that most people enter an adult phase of mental life. That’s a bad thing. In all animal species other than human, only the pre-adult stages include play and learning. You can’t teach an old dog new tricks, and the religious will believe forever more regardless of evidence the rules that were taught to them at age 5. Most people believe that the social rules they learned at age five will remain relevant at 85.

Change is very difficult for most people to emotionally accept. Moreso most people don’t have the mental capacity to include unknown variables into their mental maps.

A moral view towards human relations disregards game theory. Morality is one game. People who posit that society is crumbling unless we shore up family values, that women need to be shamed into monogamy, that rakes and cads that cat around are harming the backbone of social good, are merely positing one game. They are the communists. The socialists. The get along and don’t stick out and don’t do your own thing and fit in crowd.

Such moralistic thinking is inflexible. You learn it by age five, and nothing after that changes, or can or should change. The term for ossified nerons is neurosis.

Game theory and evolutionary strategies are the way to understand society. Wherever there is social parnership and co-operation you will also find indidualist opportunism. Game theory and evolotion. Niches.

Being a rake and a cad or a slut is the best solution to certain niche markets. Morality is the socialist counterpoint to it.

For women, the band together and nag and shame sluts and cads, trying to get men to commit to being providers. They downplay the importance of sex, and shame the free expression of sex and youthful beauty. Men with little sexual opportunity do the same.

The whiskeys of the world are socialists. I’m an opportunistic entrepreneur.

People act in their best interest. When you are in the position of a Tiger Woods or George Clooney or a Hugh Hefner, all the social shaming of all the housewife wannabe’s in the world makes no never mind to you. Do you think Hugh worries about who is going to care for him in his invalid old age?

An alpha knows that getting people to love and care for him is easy, and can be attained at any stage in his life. He currently has several applicants for the job. He does not benefit by the social contract of security. His risk taking has brought him the rare rewards of the priveledged few. No woman could possibly bargain security for his fidelity – it’s a bogus offer. He doesn’t need her security. Why offer fidelity? There is nothing to be gained in return for it. Someone to wipe your ass when you are old? Get over yourself. An alpha has such petty concerns easily handled. He can get new women easily. Security is not something you can offer him – he doesn’t need it.

I wonder who will be taking care of these women, the ones touched by alphaness, as they get older? Right now, men earn more $$$ but women have more of the national wealth, courtesy of their husbands (who die and leave them the money.)

Our more and more frank society is pulling the mask off the women. In many cases, they pull it off themselves.

The twin epidemics of single mothers and dual career couples are evidence, loud and clear, that the betas are catching on.

“Such moralistic thinking is inflexible. You learn it by age five, and nothing after that changes, or can or should change. The term for ossified nerons is neurosis.

Game theory and evolutionary strategies are the way to understand society. ”

“Moralistic thinking” IS an evolutionary strategy, just not the one you happen to prefer. Remember your E.O. Wilson? Human beings aren’t altruists, they’re reciprocal altruists. They aren’t collectively going to get shat upon as they get the short end of the stick at the expense of “opportunistic entrepreneurs.”

And so the rules will change once again when this reaches a critical mass. Nature has culture on a leash, culture can’t run away too far.

JB, you aren’t groking me, even though I was explicit. Socialism is one game, among many. It is inescapable that socialism will be one competing game.

That’s my whole fucking point.

Game theory is how to understand society. There will always be niches, always be cads and sluts, and social shaming does not affect alphas, because they don’t need that particular social contract. They are above and beyond it.

I have 2 friends who are deliberately ruining their marriages, they keep saying oh i think i really messed up my life with that guy, while the guy doesn’t beat them, he is earning money, he is not an alcoholic and doesn’t disappear from time to time, and he is a good father, still, some women can find the strangest excuses why everything is going to hell, Dave from Hawai type of wife then, the constantly disappointed house dragon.

but,

Jamila.

If the man doesn’t hold up his end of the deal, to be a good father and husband, then you have no obligation to stay with him.

“Game theory is how to understand society. There will always be niches, always be cads and sluts, and social shaming does not affect alphas, because they don’t need that particular social contract. They are above and beyond it.”

Social shaming affects a critical mass of women, which is the whole intent of the strategy. It is not to eliminate “cads and sluts” but to act as negative feedback mechanism to prevent runaway effect.

Also, I don’t appreciate you reframing this phenomenon as “socialism”, it is hardly appropriate. Social behavior isn’t “socialism”, unless you want to posit this label for all social customs and controls.

JB, I’m not reframing. Yes, any system where the greater social good is considered more important than the individuals desires is a socialist concern. Just because socialism has emotionally loaded connotations and political implications has no bearing on the definition of it. Socialism is any form of socially organized behavior that values the greater tribes needs over the individuals. It’s neither good nor bad, it’s just one strategy.

Any society that doesn’t have some forms of socialism will get it’s ass wiped by societies that do. Plain and simple.

And yet capitalism keeps winning in the long term as well.

It’s game theory. Some people will play the game as communist agitators, some will play the game as industrialists. Depending on what is in your best interest, your value system will adjust accordingly. That is a stupid mental map. There are no values. Only games.

Socialism – acting for the greater good – is merely a strategy. Morals are merely a strategy. It is impossible to get everyone to participate in socialism, precisely because if the majority play that game, it opens up unexploited niche markets for those who do not.

That women have competing sexual strategies points this out perfectly. They seek a provider, yet fuck the bad boys.

Grokking my point is pretty simple. Morals are a game strategy played out by groups. They are socialist, and essential. No society can not have them, or that society would lose in the game of war. And no society can get rid of sluts and cads. If you can be a cad, you win much greater rewards than being a wage slave good little social soldier.

JB, by “game theory” I mean what a google or wikipedia search would turn up.

Social shaming is a game people play, as it is in their best interest to play that game. Women tend to not know this, and follow their internal programmed gut feelings, blindly. They are merely playing a game strategy. They act all in your face with social shaming, but it’s only a social strategy, to gain resources from men, to keep men in line, to keep men faithful and providing to them and their children.

Men do the same.

What people often can’t relate to is that anything that is important is only important to someone. Any book that was written was always written by someone. There is no big parent in the sky inscribing rules. There is only strategy.

You get to choose your strategy. Women can play wife or whore, or alternate. Or try some other game – as they are more often lately. Men can play provider or cad.

There are no Morals, only strategies. Morals are a group strategy, and are not capitalized.

In fact, it is easy to argue that a successful society is a bad idea, as it tends to wipe things out worse than only marginally successful societies, which are long term more stable. The neanderthals lived for a 1/4 million years, after all. No worries about them nuking themselves with all their success.

People here who argue that it’s in the best interest if women would only get back to their previously popular mating strategies of relying on men for material goods have not adapted their mental map to the fact that people act in their best interest, as best they see those interests. Don’t argue with women – just out strategize them. Don’t explain to them that cuckoldry is similar to rape. To them it isn’t. Simply watch your back and your options and don’t marry.

A man should not try to beat women at their game of social shaming and social control. He’s better off controlling resources and pushing women’s buttons the best he can.

I don’t think he’s out of my league. But I’m working my behind off in school, just starting working, and am raising a child. I could do better than him as far as stature in society goes. My mind keeps going back to him because (1) he was a very sexy, confident man and (2) he’s the last guy I was with intimately. Most of his attraction and greatness is in my mind.

(3) I just started working for the same company that employs him even though we work at different locations and (4) I said I wasn’t having sex again until I got married so that might mean that he’ll *always* be my last frame of reference, considering there is no guarantee that I’ll ever get married.

JB, I’m not following your question. Are you asking me what I think might happen? What could happen? What should happen?

I don’t care to speculate on any of those. I know what my choices and options are, and am happy with my decisions so far. I’ve taken huge risks, and gained good rewards. Life sucked before taking those risks. This is not prescriptive – but it’s a common strategy. Risk taking males, when they win, win.

I don’t care to speculate on how to build utopia, because there are too many unknown variables for one, and for two you can’t socially create a society. It builds itself up from varying competing interests. It’s impossible to get everyone to agree on what the social interests are – there are always competing interests. Special interests.

I’m taking care of my special interests. It’s not prescriptive or proscriptive or predictive.

JB, the curveball and the monkeywrench in the prediction machine is technology. No one a hundred years ago would have predicted the social changes caused by the pill, for instance. No hunter gatherer predicted the social changes caused by the agrarian lifestyle.

All things staying as they are, we can predict the same similar cycles. But there are unknowables coming our way.

Did you ever watch Space 1999 as a kid? They didn’t even have an internet on that show.

And as to what is the ultimate male strategy, game theory would predict that there is not and can not be a best strategy. If most people succeed at A, then it follows that opting for B will be a better niche strategy for others.

You cannot comment of the quality of his women as you do not know. He posts some pictures, but is under no obligation. Also, if you notice a recent picture that is kind of older looking the woman looks like she doesn’t have makeup on and is all natural looking. She is higher than a 6 and can almost guarantee if you saw her in real life you would probably think she was an 8. Rating is all objective anyway. Your 6’s may be different than others…but I’m not here to argue rating scales. I’m here to battle ignorance.

I’d imagine him as someone who is a fair height and probably decent looks as well. Someone who has some style and knows what women look for. He is probably fairly self aware and all these things are things that make you better with women.

zyxxyz you can’t comment on something that you simply do not know. Knowledge and ideas like his come through experience and do not happen overnight. I cannot comment on how many approaches and the regular stream of women he gets, but I will say that he has had a decent share and is funny and does just fine…at the very least.

[editor: some women with BFs are open to being approached because they already have one foot out of the relationship. PUAs are fooling themselves if they think they can easily steal women who are deeply in love and/or infatuated with their BFs.]

Now that is something I wholeheartedly agree with and seems to jive with my reality. If a woman is looking for new possibilities, then sure you have a chance. But if she is not looking and is already in love, there’s very little you can do. This should be COMFORTING to someone in an LTR. I wish more PUAs would honestly admit this and not market how easy it is to steal someone’s gf and that married men need to buy their products so they can keep their wife.

There are admittedly women who can’t keep it in their pants, even when they are in a relationship. But you’d agree you don’t want such a woman for an LTR anyway (what does “taming” her involve, do we even know). Saying this is not expressing a “M/W complex” as PUAs say, it’s just giving enough credit to women to say they know what’s going on and are responsible for what happens, rather than paint them as automatons who respond to a certain stimulus by putting out, regardless of whether they are in love. There are sluts who choose to be sluts, there are women in love who choose not to open the door to anyone else, and there are women in between.

The big question I have is … the HOTTIES always seem to be seeing someone. What % of the time would you say, a hottie who is seeing someone is in love with them? From your experience. That should determine how often you would succeed if you tried to poach her away.

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Maxim #98: Marriage is no escape from the sexual market and the possibility that you may be outbid by a competitor with higher value.
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Maxim #101: For most women, five minutes of alpha is worth five years of beta.
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Get your wife pregnant, screw her in the ass and otherwise keep her entertained, or she’ll develop feelings for someone else who will. And, of course, you “made” her do it (yes, you put a gun to her head and forced her to do all kinds of things with a basketball team and their drinking buddies that she wouldn’t be caught dead doing with you in order to “feel alive,” you know). Making her go “Unnngh!” is more important than wedding vows, disease, illegality or keeping a roof over her pretty little head– and she’ll take half your stuff (plus alimony, child support for your non-offspring and anything else she can) if you let her interest lag. (Tell me I’m wrong.)

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Maxim #98: Marriage is no escape from the sexual market and the possibility that you may be outbid by a competitor with higher value.
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Maxim #101: For most women, five minutes of alpha is worth five years of beta.
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Get your wife pregnant, screw her in the ass and otherwise keep her entertained, or she’ll develop feelings for someone else who will. And, of course, you “made” her do it (yes, you put a gun to her head and forced her to do all kinds of things with a basketball team and their drinking buddies that she wouldn’t be caught dead doing with you in order to “feel alive,” you know). Making her go “Unnngh!” is more important than wedding vows, disease, illegality, shame or keeping a roof over her pretty little head– and she’ll take half your stuff (plus alimony, child support for your non-offspring and anything else she can) if you let her interest lag. (Tell me I’m wrong. Ladies, you may commence the hatin’… )

Hey relationship counselor, can I apply your Peter Pan I-believe-I-can-fly theory to other aspects of my life? Positive visualization and a can do attitude can conquer all?

It’s the height of egotism and arrogance to assume that a person has power over their desires. What a body/mind schism – you can’t get more neurotic than that. To assume that your thoughts and feelings are choices is the delusion of mental maps gone wild with grandeur.

You are not the center of the universe, and even your body and mind and thoughts is not under your control.

No one can choose who they are physically attracted to, or who they love. They choose who to be companionate with. Who to get used to. Who to rely on. You can’t choose to get a raging boner from a fat ugly chick, no matter how much companionate activity you’ve acted out with her.

I’m speaking from experience. I’ve been in relationships where I thought it was my duty to stay, and did everything I could to enjoy it. I’d pray every many times a day to be able to accept and enjoy it. Didn’t work. When you don’t feel into the lifestyle or the person, you don’t. No shame or blame or sense of duty will make you want it. You can’t choose what you want.

We are not in control, and this new age Peter Pan crap about how our minds create our reality is egocentric crap. Ok, T.M. levitator, if your mind creates your reality, create us a rocket ship with your visualization power. Huh? Only scientists have been able to do that so far? Maybe the rest of us aren’t believing hard enough!

And that my dear post-modern-new-age-western-man, is exactly why people like you should not try to ape the great traditions of the East – you just don’t have the mental, spiritual or physical stamina to do so.

All men would be high testosterone leaders with large cocks, if that was the most successful mating strategy.

All men would be near sociapath in their Machiavelian social abilities, if that were the most successful mating strategy.

The fact that most men are beta providers with a sense of social conformity and justice proves that this is most often the most successful mating strategy. That this same group tends to have sex just a few times a week for brief periods would fit in well with this strategy/biochemical caste system.

The fact that men and women have widely varying libidos fits into the idea that there is a caste system, a game theory system of mating options. There is no one size fits all strategy, for either men or women.

Some of us have higher than average libido and lower than average sense of the need to fit into to social roles. We become the rakes and rogues. We can be hugely successful.

CEOs are very often sociopaths. Hugely successful at what they are successful at.

And family men are successful at what they are successful at – building dynasties of little mini mes.

Its just weird when the low libido men and women try to coach the high libido men and women on life strategy.

And that my dear post-modern-new-age-western-man, is exactly why people like you should not try to ape the great traditions of the East – you just don’t have the mental, spiritual or physical stamina to do so.

When I go out with my girl, the married age women often look at her with contempt and disgust. Because that is the shame game women play against sexual competitors. You see, my girl is dressed hot and out with a white guy. White guys here are considered the prize – high status – jackpot – prince charming. Women get jealous at other women who by dint of her glaring sexuality is getting a high status man. Makes em enraged.

They want to get sex out of the equation.

Especially ibus who have cut their hair and are playing the matron game. Any hint that competing sexuality could again enter the picture enrages them.

That’s why women are so catty.

But a male ibu?!!!!!

Obviously you guys can’t compete. Why else would you try to shame women about their sexuality?

Those housewives obviously are pissed that they can’t compete, sexually, with my girl.

A while back there was discussion of women being attracted to men who cheat on them.

Some commentors mentioned that a man should act as if he could easily cheat, but not follow through. That this would have the same ennervating effect on the relationship as actually having extra-marital sex.

I said there is no such thing as acting as if. A woman will be able to smell it on your skin if you are faking it. Women are attracted to amoral men. And risk takers. To cads.

There are two competing sexual strategies. The good little social soldier provider of stability and resources, and the risk taking alpha cad.

Women want the cad. The real cad. The man who is not bound by morals. They want his genes. The only reason they want the man who is bound by morals is because that’s the man she can shame into not straying.

Whiskey wants to position the beta-providers as the backbone of society, and the cads as thugs.

Look to the European aristocratic class. They are just descendants of the conquering class. The guys who marched in with swords and little armies and took the land and made the peasants pay taxes. Those who were able to rise socially until they dominated others.

Cinderella wants the prince. The prince hires tax collectors so he can buy new drapes, so that he can be fed grapes by the 16 year old hotties in his kingdom.

The Alpha class is not just thugs. The ruling class is also managerial. They tend to have above average abilities in some areas – not just thug strutting abilities.

And the beta-provider class are not all upstanding scientist citizens.

The fact that women know deep down in their groins that it’s a wise strategy to have babies from cads shows that cads have a contribution to make. Us backdoor men, us hackers of the social game, entrepreneurs, rakes and cads, are more than mere thugs. We are the risk takers who often rise to positions of dominance, and spread our genes widely. Of course women fuck us, over the get-along do good crowd.

You’ll notice Monica Lewinsky is still single — the market for ex-famous guy mistresses is small for marriage-minded men.

True, whiskey — Ms. Lewinsky was a keeper from the start and would have otherwise made another man very happy. It is solely the fact that she had “relations” with President Clinton that has kept her from securing a “marriage-minded” man.

“Women want the cad. The real cad. The man who is not bound by morals. They want his genes. The only reason they want the man who is bound by morals is because that’s the man she can shame into not straying.”

xplat, i know people like you. all talk no action. you=alpha? could you really win any kind of status competition with other men, apart to emigrating to a country where you’re non-poverty translates to auotmatic advantage?

Whiskey wants to position the beta-providers as the backbone of society, and the cads as thugs.

Don’t get me wrong — I generally think whiskey’s sensationalist commentary blasts full-speed into the realm of the absurd, but this is pretty much true. It is the beta-providers who are the “backbone” of society, though this, of course, does not mean that alphas contribute nothing.

A note:

Us backdoor men, us hackers of the social game, entrepreneurs, rakes and cads, are more than mere thugs. We are the risk takers who often rise to positions of dominance, and spread our genes widely. Of course women fuck us, over the get-along do good crowd.

“Us”? Yeah, right. I’m going to have to concur with Avinguda Diagonal, here…

Are you saying that women don’t tend to get wet for the bad boys and cads and back door men? That they tend to get wet for the stable providers?

See:

I’m going to have to concur with Avinguda Diagonal, here…

And then see:

xplat, i know people like you. all talk no action. you=alpha? could you really win any kind of status competition with other men, apart to emigrating to a country where you’re non-poverty translates to auotmatic advantage?

11 minutes
“Any woman will spread her legs if she gets the chance to bang a man who is much higher in status than any other men in her life.”

Really? Think carefully: you are saying that every single individual woman on planet Earth will do this. How could you possibly know that? What reasoning or statistical evidence do you have to back that up? Well, you have nothing of course.

Vigilante
“Tiger is the best at golf. He is a rich, rich man. He can do whatever he wants. He earned it and is above the law.”

Can Tiger Woods murder someone live on CNN and get away with it? No? Then he isn’t above the law.

“It is what it is. Adapt or fuck off and bitch somewhere else.”

Whatever. I want no part in your nihilistic dystopian society, and neither does any other civilized person. You can keep it all to yourself.

vaporrub
“Men need sex in order to feel strong.”

It doesn’t have anything to do with strength, physical or otherwise.

xsplat
“Morals are merely a strategy.”

Yeah, if you’re a sociopath (which is exactly what your average PUA is).

“Don’t argue with women – just out strategize them. Don’t explain to them that cuckoldry is similar to rape.”

It isn’t similiar, you fucking retard. It isn’t even in the same category.

“It’s the height of egotism and arrogance to assume that a person has power over their desires”
“It’s egotistic crap to think you are in control of even your self. It’s an error of category.”

No, actually it’s the projection you’re currently engaging in that’s the height of egotism and arrogance. Don’t try to drag everyone else down to your pitiful level.

Whatever. I want no part in your nihilistic dystopian society, and neither does any other civilized person. You can keep it all to yourself.

Is your purpose to sit around chatting about what people should or shouldn’t do? If so, you emotions and opinions are impotent. You wring your hands about things you have no power or control over. Because you want to start with what should be, and have no respect for the measurable real world real life facts of how things actually are.

People are making descriptive statements about how things are, and you counter with nothing other than what amounts to “I don’t like it and it makes me feel bad and you are a bad person for saying that or even thinking it”.

Nothing more meaningful than social shaming.

As if anyone gives a fuck about your stupid opion.

Let’s take a vote. Anyone care what 1 among many idiots feels is important?

You are nothing but an emoter. Emote away. You may as well be in a vaccuum, for all the difference to the world your emoting makes.

xsplat
“People are making descriptive statements about how things are”

About how they think or wish things are. Even if they are factually talking about things the way they are, that still doesn’t mean anyone has to accept them. Unless you’re such a loser that you just obediently go along with the status quo.

“You are nothing but an emoter. Emote away. You may as well be in a vaccuum, for all the difference to the world your emoting makes.”

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“Women want the cad. The real cad. The man who is not bound by morals. They want his genes. The only reason they want the man who is bound by morals is because that’s the man she can shame into not straying.”
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Damn straight. As Scarface said, “In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the women.”

Maxim #2: Women are turned on by displays of male power. Striking in anger or contempt or disciplinary scorn is one such form of power.
Maxim #3: Whenever an attractive girl tells you she hates assholes, or describes her experience in the past dating assholes and claims to avoid them now, or recites a laundry list of asshole-y things guys do that she disapproves of, you can bet your weight in gold bricks that she needs you to be an asshole to her.
maxim #4 in a series: Trust no one missing a sense of humor.(1st posted)
Maxim #6: Never Make It Easy For A Girl
Triple Post with Corollary:
Maxim #7: Your girl will thank you for your steadfast devotion to your belief in yourself
Maxim #7: The sweeter and more innocent a girl seems, the greater the likelihood she has been in a gangbang.
Corollary: Always assume she is a whore. It helps kick the legs out from under the pedestal you will be tempted to put her on, and it is more often than not true.
Maxim #7: The greater the age difference between the older man and the younger woman, the tighter his game will need to be, barring compensatory attributes.
Maxim #8: Marriage is a social mechanism designed to exchange sex for indentured servitude.
Maxim #10: It’s pussy wetness uber alles.
Maxim #11: The greater the sexual market value disparity between the husband and his depreciating wife, and the more kids they have, the more life the husband has sucked out of him.
Maxim #12: If you are comfortable with your game being splashed across a JumboTron for thousands of people to read, then you are doing it right.
Double post:
Maxim #13: Calling a girl out on her lie accomplishes nothing.
Maxim #13: When the love is gone, women can be as cold as if they had never known you.
Maxim #15: Female cultural equality = male dating inequality. Female cultural inequality = male dating equality. You cannot have both. So sayeth human nature.
Maxim #17: Be narcissistic. There is no greater divergence than that between a woman’s stated disapproval of male narcissism and the rapidity with which she jumps into bed with a male narcissist.
Maxim #18: The two fundamental propositions upon which all game theory rests are male choosiness and female abundance. All alpha males have these two mindsets in common.
Corollary to the above: Male choosiness and female abundance do not necessarily have to be true for the strategy of behaving as if they are true to be effective at seducing women.
Maxim #19: The alpha male thinks and acts more like a woman than a man in matters of seduction. He understands his adversary’s psychology, and uses it to shatter her defenses.
Maxim #20: The gina tingle is the principal moral code to which women subscribe. All other moral considerations pale in comparison.
Maxim #21: Never talk about getting into a relationship even if the girl says that’s what she’s looking for.
Maxim #25: Withholding sex is the tactic of a woman who has already lost. It is mutually assured destruction.
Maxim #26: If a woman says the word “sex” in conversation with you or about you, no matter the context, it means she’s thinking about having sex with you.
Double Post:
Maxim #27: Pussies are more pliable in the company of competing pussy.
Maxim #27: You have to make marriage an attractive alternative for MEN — not women — if you want the institution to thrive.
Maxim #30: When in doubt, ask yourself “WWJD?” What Would a Jerk Do? Then do that.
Maxim #33: NO girl wants to be thought she isn’t a special little snowflake.
Double Post:
Maxim #39: Never tell a girl how much you make, even if you’re loaded. In case of marriage, keep separate accounts.
Maxim #39: If you want a wife stay clear of investing much in girls who constantly remind you they like to have “fun fun fun” and “get bored easily”.
Single Post with Corollary
Maxim #41: The more experience you have with women, the more you’ll know which women have experience with men.
Corollary to #41: It is the inexperienced beta male who is most often in the dark about a woman’s sexual history and liable to be victimized by the cheating slut.
Maxim #42: Xenophobia is good for diversity.
Maxim #44: Women will not hold it against you for trying to get into their panties on the first night. In fact, they will respect you more for your boldness and willingness to follow your manly desires.
Maxim #49: If you plan on cheating and get caught, act like a total dick who did nothing wrong. Your girlfriend will then wonder if it’s something she did.
Maxim #51: Commanding women to do your bidding will give you a bigger beta margin of error.
Maxim #52: Girls need to test men for their grace under pressure.
Maxim #55: If she’s hot, why would she bother with online dating?
Double Post:
Maxim #59: High IQ is no inoculation against beta delusion. If anything, high IQ obstructs clear thinking about women’s nature.
Maxim #59: The longer you are away from seducing new women, the harder it will be to seduce one when you want.
Double Post:
Maxim #66: The worst thing to happen to America was women’s suffrage.
Maxim #66: As men are becoming ever bigger pussies and betas in their dealings with women, they are losing the leverage to shape and push women’s child-like and selfishly amoral political opinions in logical, just and long-term oriented directions.
Maxim # 71: When a girl signals that she doesn’t enjoy blowjobs or sex, do not spend one second more with her. Your libido is too important to gamble on such a girl.
Maxim #75: If you get sexually rejected, don’t admit it to yourself, and especially don’t admit it to the girl.
Maxim #77: Women will screech louder the closer your words get to damaging or exposing vulnerabilities in their sexual market value.
Maxim #84: Respect the momentum.
Maxim #93: The rare older woman-younger man pairing is like a lab experiment gone wrong. It violates the natural order of things, and leaves its practitioners emotionally twisted and in a constant mental race to hyperrationalize their subpar mate choice.
Single Post with Corollary:
Maxim #98: Marriage is no escape from the sexual market and the possibility that you may be outbid by a competitor with higher value.

Corollary to Maxim #98: Singleness is no guarantee of full sexual market participation. Maxim #101: For most women, five minutes of alpha is worth five years of beta.
Single Post with Corollary:
Maxim #328: Underneath the veneer of civilized discourse we act in ways that are brazenly self-interested in the short term.
Addendum #328a: Seeking short term status is a matter of self-interest.
Double Post with Corollary
Maxim #666: All kneel before the god of biomechanics, by sword or by surrender.

Maxim #666: When a woman has incentive to lie, she will choose lying over honesty EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Corollary to Maxim #666: Treat woman like Soviet Russia — Trust but verify.
Highest Maxim Post#:
Maxim #2008: Socialists gain when single women who refuse to settle vote. They lose when single women forget to vote on their way to the mall.

When a woman pressures you mercilessly to marry her, bullying to the point of threatening a break up – this is the shit test of ALL shit tests. Treat it as such – If you fail this shit test, you are RUINED. FOR…LIFE..

The Sixteen Commandments Of Poon

I. Never say ‘I Love You’ first
II. Make her jealous
III. You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority
IV. Don’t play by her rules
V. Adhere to the golden ratio
VI. Keep her guessing
VII. Always keep two in the kitty
VIII. Say you’re sorry only when absolutely necessary
IX. Connect with her emotions
X. Ignore her beauty
XI. Be irrationally self-confident
XII. Maximize your strengths, minimize your weaknesses
XIII. Err on the side of too much boldness, rather than too little
XIV. Fuck her good
XV. Maintain your state control
XVI. Never be afraid to lose her

I. Never say ‘I Love You’ first
II. Make her jealous
III. You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority
IV. Don’t play by her rules
V. Adhere to the golden ratio
VI. Keep her guessing
VII. Always keep two in the kitty
VIII. Say you’re sorry only when absolutely necessary
IX. Connect with her emotions
X. Ignore her beauty
XI. Be irrationally self-confident
XII. Maximize your strengths, minimize your weaknesses
XIII. Err on the side of too much boldness, rather than too little
XIV. Fuck her good
XV. Maintain your state control
XVI. Never be afraid to lose her

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AND MEN CALL WOMEN DRAMA QUEENS????

With this long list of “rules” boy, I assure you, you will be feeding off of drama for the rest of your lives….

“Any woman will spread her legs if she gets the chance to bang a man who is much higher in status than any other men in her life.”

one and only:

“Really? Think carefully: you are saying that every single individual woman on planet Earth will do this. How could you possibly know that? What reasoning or statistical evidence do you have to back that up? Well, you have nothing of course.”
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Oh, Anonymous, I couldn’t sleep last night. I tossed and turned yearning for a kind word from you, yearning for your approval. All night long I feared you would gather a gaggle of like minded harpies and harangue me!

And that, by the way, is the essence of NLP, and can be practiced on the spot in any situation. Associate positive feelings towards what you want to re-inforce. With words, with actions, with lifestyle. Over and over create a web and network of positive associations until she is inextricably linked and bound to you in good feelings.

That’s how to puppet a girl.

She’ll be untying your shoes when you get home and bringing you tea on command in no time.

Self professedly wise crone – all men who’ve broken up with a girl know that nothing is more vicious than a spurned female.

You are deliberately ignoring the truth and power of my strategy.

When a girl accuses me with “You want to fuck her, don’t you!”. I answer Of course I want to fuck her! I’m a man

That is the kind of tactic used when making women jealous on purpose. Simply holding your ground about reality and not letting a woman get all pissy if you don’t pretend to believe in her lala land dreams of my little pony happy time.

A woman can not only threaten, but have real life backups to her threat.

A man who acts in fear of her and gives over power to her and becomes under the sway of a womans emotions, puppeted by them like a good little boy, is on the way to not making his woman as in love or as powerfully turned on by him anymore.

A man must not only pass the shit tests, but dominate the relationship. Not only dominate the relationship, but improve her life. And not only that, but create a fun passionate life that she does not want to leave.

Yes, a woman will bring call forth her various arsenals from time to time. A man must be willing to meet the brinksmanship games with brinkmanship. He must be truly willing to lose. He can not submit.

If you fail to see that, no problem. It doesn’t matter. Only men need to know this.

wise crone obviously thinks black women are SO successful at attracting and keeping quality men, a fact everyone can plainly see is true, that we all need advice from the hood on how to maintain relationships.

1. didn’t say nuthin’ here ’bout black folk
2. not offerin’ any advice to women on how to attract and keep men
3. plain ole readin’ compretension would aid you in seein’ dat i’m offerin’ advice to men who dream ’bout provokin’ da female jealousy and anger.
4. scroll up an read again.
5. tis late. go to sleep.
6. early to bed, early to rise, an all dat…

“I think you should spend more time focusing on how the hot little asians I date are also not valid humans. They’re all skanks and whores, right?”

Sorry if I was a bit strong with you there, my man, but it seems as if you ‘hump and dump’ these chicks and leave them with children to raise as single moms, them you’re behaviour is treating these chickita’s like they are ‘skanks and ho’s’.

Anonymous, now you are trying to learn personal details about my life, when clearly everything you say is an attack. Why should I give you ammo? You haven’t said one thing on this forum that is not designed to attack and shame.

No matter what I say, you’ll try to turn it into an attack. The only reason I bother with you is same reason a cat bothers with a toy mouse.

I’m guessing you are a woman who is pissed of that you are losing appeal in the sexual marketplace. It angers you that life isn’t fair. You are making one final last stand against nature, before you give up and live in quiet hermitage.

“A man must not only pass the shit tests, but dominate the relationship. Not only dominate the relationship, but improve her life. And not only that, but create a fun passionate life that she does not want to leave.

Yes, a woman will bring call forth her various arsenals from time to time. A man must be willing to meet the brinksmanship games with brinkmanship. He must be truly willing to lose. He can not submit.”

A relationship that only exists as a power struggle is poisonous and dysfunctional.

“I’m guessing you are a woman who is pissed of that you are losing appeal in the sexual marketplace. It angers you that life isn’t fair. You are making one final last stand against nature, before you give up and live in quiet hermitage.”

Nope, not a woman, and I am just a realist on these issues, such as the reality of who is going to raise and provide for children when their daddy is not around to take care of them.

Coming from NYC, I have seen, and worked with, generations of ‘youts’ who are seething that they do not have a father in their life (and often an absentee mother), where many of them form surrogate families with gangs and other forms of ‘street’ culture.

Again, I am sorry for attacking you, and I was wrong to ask for personal details. I can definately agree to disagree with you, since you have been respectful with me.

Phil, now that you are talking to me as if I’m an adult, and not some child you want to scold, I’ll tell you that although I’ve been offered several times, I’ve refused to dump babies all over the place to be raised in substandard environments.

I’m enough of a cad that I’d make a cuckold out of a suitable dad, but otherwise it’s abortion or abortifactants.

I’ve been married though, and did my best to be the good guy. I’ll never do that again unless i want to – no matter how much people tell me I should.

The cad lifestyle is one of higher risks than the provider lifestyle. Some of the situations put myself into I won’t share on the internet, or even among friends.

– In the backseat of a cop car with a girlfriend of one year, in the philippines, her telling them that i abused her, and all colluding to extort cash from me or send to jail, indefinitely.
– a girl who would, upon entry to my apartment, check the place for signs of other girls and missing condoms, brandishing a knife if I hadn’t hid all the cutlery.
– girls pounding on the apartment door, for over an hour.
– a girl writing in indelible marker all over the interior and exterior walls of my apartment.
– girls threatening breakup or dating others, or flirting with others in front of me
– girls acting generally pissy

and on and on.

High risk, high reward lifestyle. Not for everyone.

The reason girls fuck guys like me is that deep down in the prehistory of their consciousness, they know their kids might grow up to be as successful with women as I am, and therefore pass along their genes.

The live fast die young lifestyle, heavy into risk taking, is not and can not be practiced by most people. It’s a strategy. Doing it well has simples rules, best pointed out so far by ch.

“biktopia
Is it only me that thinks tiger is not happy being black? I always had a feeling that he strives to be white, i never liked him, because he looked so completely boring, i had a friend that worked within golf business, so he had occasions to meet him and told he was the nicest, but he doesn’t transmit all of that through the telly. He looks very boring and stiff and pretentious, and he acts like he is ashamed of his roots. i cannot see him having 12 mistresses, what a pokerface.”

Although I think you have a good point here, I also think Tiger is that way naturally. I think it’s the hallmark of good golfers is to be analytical and in control. It’s the nature of the game. Then again, Tiger seems to be more fun than all of us ever imagined. However, insecurity about Tiger’s race is more a question of what society has projected on to him than how he would feel innately given the absence of that societal projection. On top of it, golf is probably the whitest sport and has one of the wealthiest fan bases.

People want the illusion: be a cad/ho while seen as not. It’s why Tiger is such a disappointment to everyone; he got caught, that’s his failing. Everyone liked that he’s responsible, nice, squeaky-clean, etc. while they consider such “beta” junk “loser material” that doesn’t get a second look in their own lives. Keeping up appearances, you know; it’s a must. Tiger’s just F-ed it up, poor bastard.

Before this mess i thought Tiger was doing alright, although i didn’t understand why some guys thought he was all that, and i also thought he faking himself to fit in, well, he fell much harder then i would have ever imagined. i guess, Tiger misunderstood the meaning of “hole in one” and went for a minigolf trip instead,,, i will never be able to look at golf the same way ever again,,

No, because I have no motivation to do so. I know I could act as if I love him and go through the motions in the hope that the feelings begin to flow from them, but I don’t care to put that much work into it at this point. A few years ago, maybe. But now? No way.

I was a romantic seeking marriage once. It’s women who gave me no other choice than to become what I am.

Don’t play the victim role, it is so beta. There are plenty of good women out there, but you, for whatever reason were not attracted to them and made bad relationship choices. I’m not trying to denigrate you because I’ve been there and done that.

If you truly want to get married, there are plenty of good women out here for you to marry.

Jamilia, I describing a process of learning, that has nothing to do with victimhood. And no, I no longer want to get married. It has nothing to do with “good” women being available.

The setup of marriage is one of giving too much power over to women, which lessens attraction.

I prefer to maintain attraction. Therefore I will never marry.

Plus, I am a pragmatist. Women age and otherwise change, and it’s stupid and irresponsible to think you can predict the future of your interest in the same person. I chose lust based relationships of interest, not companionate based relationships of security.

Marriage holds absolutely no attraction to me.

I’m a firm believer that the man, in order to maintain sexual charge in the relationship, must be in a position of more power than the woman, and have higher status than her and more options than her. I disagree that there is anything more moral or just or better about a relationship based on equality and long term commitment. I think the later is for people who value security more than happiness.

If you actually want passion and security, there is no choice, in my opinion, but to be a student of human behaviour, and a manipulator of it. And then you have to take risks, because security is an illusion. A false goal. Even if you stay married everything changes. Why not allow for change with othe partners then? What’s so lala special about lifetime monogamy?

Nothing, that’s what. Nothing. New love is great. Love is easy. People fall in and out of love and that’s just fine.

And people use this idea of “good” to mean a woman who is not bound by female nature. In that sense there is not one good girl. Women are bound by female nature, which is easily studied.

I have enough experience to know of the universal commonalities of women. There is no “good” woman of which you speak. Us primates are not “good”. We are animals deep down, and stupid on top.

As for compatability, and mutual kindness, some people find it. But those that stay together for a lifetime very often are not strictly monogamous. And those that are most often are not passionate. Lifetime monogamy CAN not work for most people. It isn’t that people make bad mate choices, it’s that the choice of lifetime monogamy is the wrong choice for them. MOST people are not built for it, and only believe in it because love is such a strong feeling.

Its the romanticism of children, largely, and where it isn’t it’s the value of security over passion.

And in all the posts above where I talk about my sexual strategy as that of the cad, and immoral, I’m only talking that way because the dominant view of what is moral is fem-centric.

Actually, I’m not immoral at all. I’m not a cad at all. I treat women very well. I just refuse to take their agenda as the only valid one.

My agenda is youth and beauty and passion and sex, and that’s what I’m persuing.

And I get what I want, and I’m happy. The girl I’m with now tells me she loves me at least twenty times a day, even though we spend nearly all our waking ours together, and have for the past 7 months. She’s gaga over me, and I have to admit I’m very pleased with her. Life is good.

The reason I like to write with a provocative edge, such as talking as if I’m an amoral cad, is that if you write something ina way that people agree with, it just glosses past them, doesn’t juggle their brain, and you therefore have not done your job as a writer. You have not persuaded. Nor entertained or educated.

It’s true, that from a fem-centric perspective of providing security and family, I’m amoral. Being explicit about that and standing my ground about it was intented to make people so uncomfortable that they would be forced to face the fact of competing agendas.

Fem centric agenda is not THE moral agenda. It’s merely a game-theory strategy played out by women and beta-provider supplicants. Nothing more.

Anonymous, you say that people want the illusion, and Tiger is seen as falling from grace because he does not live up to social expectations.

That’s partly true – but it misses that there are competing expectations and desires.

Women want the man to be a provider, and if they see Tiger publicly humiliating the nature of man as provider, they get angry. And yet they throw their sex at him, not caring if he is married or not, and publicly proclaim that they had sex with that married man – no shame because he’s so high status.

There is no one thing women want. They want the provider, and they want the cad. It’s two things they want. They also try to turn the cad into the provider.

But never forget it’s the cad they want first. Not the provider. The actual cad. Not the illusion of the cad.

Tiger didn’t have to give any illusion to the girls who wanted to fuck him. He didn’t have to lie to them about being married. They wanted him to be a cad.

you don’t want any part of my society? good, you weren’t chosen for a reason.

Your narcissistic name says it all. Let me tell you something one and only, you are a dime a dozen. You are taking a literal translation of a clear exaggeration to establish a point. NO, Tiger Woods cannot kill someone live on CNN, but O.J. Simpson clearly killed his wife with indisputable evidence and got away with it. Clearly money, wealth and status does have a strong power in this world.

OH and I am no nihlist. I believe in principals. Clearly you believe in something. What do you believe in? I really don’t care because your logic is very skewed and you cannot understand the subtleties of sarcasm and an exaggeration. Good luck with women you beta bitch.

Vigilante, I’m sure one-among-many is a woman; men are too ashamed to be deliberately obtuse. Women use shame to make arguments against people, therefore invalidating the persons point, while men use arguments to invalidate arguments, therefore building or lessening a reputation of clear thinking.

No male could get to adulthood with one-among-many’s deliberate anti social stupidity and still retain any desire to speak in public.

That, and women tend to want to socially create reality. You could say that doing so is a female social role. It is so deeply rooted in their gossipy little psyches that the truly believe that reality is socially created. Talk of socio-biology enrages them, and they simply refuse to accept it. They tune it out and if pressed tell you well, it may be true, but even if it is, ignore that and focus on higher brain functions and get over biological urges and get back to creating reality purely through mental-social-gossip.

Women are emotionally driven and at worst completely illogical. One-among-many is one-among-many idiots who only want to invalidate arguments, and have antipathy for truths that go against their personal and group agendas.

And I hope that by now on this thread people have started to notice some of the more fem-centric agendas, and how it is that women CAN NOT see any logic or moral arguments against their agendas.

Anonymous-coward, it does not follow that adhering to male centered values of enjoying sex and youth and beauty equates with treating women like shit.

I’m sure you WANT it to follow. I’m sure you emotionaly NEED it to follow. I’m sure you would not want to live in a world where it did not follow. I’m sure you can’t cognize any other reality than libertines being abusers, and don’t want to.

You are an emotional thinker. Nuther words, stupid. Deliberately and anti-socially obtuse.

1) If all men do anything it opens up niche markets to be exploited. For instance if all men choose to be providers in exchange for a sex and kids, it opens up the niche market of the backdoor man, who women prefer because they know that man’s genes are reproductively more successful than the providers genes, and therefore hermale kids will be more reproductively successful.
2) If all men refuse to be providers, and either battle it out between them for women or abstain, it opens up the niche market of the provider, and the sneaky fucker.
3) If all men collude to enforce strict monogamy, it opens up the niche market of the prostitute and the rapist.

And on and on.

You can’t socially create reality. It is build from the ground up by competing interests. Utopia always turns out differently than planned, because there are always competing agendas.

“Rihanna admits she prefers ‘high-risk’ men”
One might think Rihanna would welcome a drama-free relationship after her romance with Chris Brown came to such an abrupt and violent end. But one would be wrong.

When Glamour U.K. asked the singer what she looks for in a man, she made one thing clear — no nice guys.

“Definitely the high-risk (type),” the Grammy winner said. “I don’t like cream puff, corny guys. Usually they are the nice guys, the ones that won’t hurt you. They’ll pull out the chair for you and the whole nine yards. Everything is perfect and boring … I like the risk. I like the edge. That’s the thrill for me.””

– If her next lover beats her face in again then I am going to laugh so hard.

“Jamila

@Cliff

Cliff Arroyo
“Exactly how do I *stop* thinking about him?”

Do you have a brain? Use it.

This blase advice is right up there in intelligence with “girl you don’t need him!” Cute, but not very helpful.

I think I might be forced to buy one of those “how to get over him in 90 days” type books.

Do you really think he ever left a woman better off than she was before she knew him?

I think there are probably women who still fantansize about him and smile when certain memories come to mind, but are any of them *better off*? Hmmm, that would be a tough call. They might be more adventurious in bed now and they can take that adventurism right on into their marriages with hapless betas! <———-this was sarcasm

Seriously, I think any relationship that leaves you smarter about the way men and real life works shouldn't be counted as a loss. Even if you got your heart shattered into a million pieces."

– This is why women should be treated as being intellectually on par with children.

Oh man, too bad superior people have to foot the tax bill, by upholding the welfare state, to provide for these little monkeys, and for the sub-humanoid “daddy’s” who spawned their worthless, criminal asses.

Don’t worry too much though — the (global) economy is imploding as we speak, and there won’t be a welfare state for these animals to rely on anymore.

So the ‘playas’ and their skank-ho bitches will have to resort eating out of garbage cans like they do in the ‘turd world’! After all, ‘you are what you eat’.

I like Tiger. He shows cool, solid text game. But he did one thing wrong: he flinched when he next met wifey, and at that sign of weakness, the hoes started boiling out of the woodwork. Chumped.

What he should have done was ask the wife why the hell he should keep her around anymore when she’s out of control. And at the same time simply file for divorce (including custody) while the lacerations and golf clubs were still fresh in everyone’s memories … Whatever he did can then be explained in the court of public opinion by a loveless, violent spouse.

Let’s say she sees reason. If they can agree on a deal, they can publically reconcile and he can tear up the divorce papers in front of the cameras. The press would be extatic with the drama. Or if she doesn’t, simply go ahead with the plan. Through the whole thing, the hoes would either have kept quiet or spun their words another way.

But that’s water under the bridge. At this point, I think he’ll have to eat whatever comes, pay her off, stay low key for a couple of years, maybe go for an edgier image once the divorce is done. Get new sponsors, do a photo shoot with Terry Richardson and some svelte white riders. Might be a happier life overall.

he’s been sticking to game posts lately, nothing wrong wit that. Most of his readership comes for game posts. When he writes the inflammatory posts, people complain too. R should just write for the heart. I hope that from the heart are less hate filled rants but whatever…

[editor: familiar and predictable… the death of romantic love. my entire existence is a hymn to romantic love and here i am falling out of love with myself. the time has come to shake things up. perhaps a mysterious leave of absence. or maybe late night carousing, writing when i’m drunk like i used to do when i first started this blog. must… not… allow.. fire… in…. belly… to extinguish.]

Oh, NO! Please don’t do that!

Slow cooker is longer lasting than a flash in the pan. There is nothing wrong with familiar and predictable, when what is associated with it is so good!

[editor: you might be right. maybe i need to recharge my creative juices. beer? drugs? dumping the ltr? must consider.]

Why change something working so well for you only to please a bunch of strangers?

Pupu’s take on this is that the posts here continue to be excellent. But his view has become familiar and predictable to the regulars. In other words, this blog has migrated from an ideal lover to a great boyfriend, at least for the regulars. There is nothing wrong about it. These days, Pupu prefers the great boyfriend to the ideal lover. So people change, who knows it is not forever.

[editor: familiar and predictable… the death of romantic love. my entire existence is a hymn to romantic love and here i am falling out of love with myself. the time has come to shake things up. perhaps a mysterious leave of absence. or maybe late night carousing, writing when i’m drunk like i used to do when i first started this blog. must… not… allow.. fire… in…. belly… to extinguish.]

@ xsplat: Men and women used to enforce strict moral values and people who broke those values were severely punished. Women were ostracised and men had to defend themselves at the point of sword or over the barrel of a gun.

In Uganda today there was recently a man stoned to death for adultery and the girl he cheated with received 500 lashes. Those sort of deterrents generally keep people adhering to society’s values.

After all, which chick has a pussy worth dying for?

@ CH: If you want to liven things up then do a controversial post. Perhaps something political because that always pisses off half the posters and causes the other half to clap you on the back, metaphorically.

I would take great pleasure kicking that first beta in the ass, so he will get crushed by that ugly cunt of his. I bet he won’t even have the balls to retaliate, but cry on the shoulder of his girlfriend who will undoubtedly slip her number to me and then fuck me later on their bed. Too bad she seems hideous based on her hair and outfit.

The only thing that impresses me about this website is how many sociopaths congregate here to spew their venom towards females. Congrats!

Just an FYI: not all females are attracted to alphas and not all women cheat. Some of us refuse to dishonor our husbands and victimize our children just for the sake of screwing a narcissistic piece of shit.

I do need to be able to lay my head down at night next to a man that I have respect for and that I know puts his family’s (specifically his wife and children) welfare and happiness first. I don’t trust my childs father to do that.