If I could figure out how to post pics with my cell phone I would post my 2 Saiga 12's. One lightweight for regular shooting and one completely decked out "tacticool" yet not full of crap, actually very realistic and I have them both running 100% on any amino from Walmart bulk pack cheap ammo to anything more powerful. All low brass to all high brass up to 3"

JERRY

March 31, 2013, 09:49 AM

"Tricked out" means clunky and heavy to me. I take the clean, simple, and practical route.

nothing over the top like post #8 (no offense Girodin), but nothing plain jane either....

post # 10 (kyhunter) is in the league i'm speaking about......short bbl, some sort of light or laser to aid with targeting, PG, callapsable or folding stocks, shell saddles.....

jim243

March 31, 2013, 10:32 AM

http://i620.photobucket.com/albums/tt284/bigjim_02/SAM_0826.jpg

Hunterdad

March 31, 2013, 01:11 PM

Not sure of this is tactical enough. Riverside (Stevens 520) 12ga Take-Down

This is how I had it before I switched back to factory furniture and ditched the side-saddle. The gun has been going with me in the woods more and more, so I want less weight. It also just feels more... handy?...with a traditional stock. As for the forend, I decided to put the factory one back on because I just like the feel and look a little better. But, this is as tricked out as it gets. I'm looking at another 870 just to play around with, so it'll get this furniture and side-saddle.
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/Name890/8701012.jpg

Mr RevolvingGarbage, did yours come with the buffer intact or did you have to replace it?

orphanedcowboy

April 3, 2013, 01:20 PM

Just added some accessories to the wife's 930 hd

http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/04/04/y4ehy2uq.jpg

RevolvingGarbage

April 3, 2013, 02:51 PM

Mr RevolvingGarbage, did yours come with the buffer intact or did you have to replace it?

Actually Blaisenguns, I posted that picture for a laugh on April Fools Day :D

It is really just my Tokyo Marui SPAS-12 Airsoft shotgun. It is spring powered, fires 3x 6mm .20g BB's at about 290 FPS per shot, and holds 30 BB's in a magazine that slides into the receiver and looks just like a 12 gauge shell.

Its really cool, but not as cool as an actual Franchi SPAS :(

blaisenguns

April 3, 2013, 03:35 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by blaisenguns View Post
Mr RevolvingGarbage, did yours come with the buffer intact or did you have to replace it?

Actually Blaisenguns, I posted that picture for a laugh on April Fools Day

It is really just my Tokyo Marui SPAS-12 Airsoft shotgun. It is spring powered, fires 3x 6mm .20g BB's at about 290 FPS per shot, and holds 30 BB's in a magazine that slides into the receiver and looks just like a 12 gauge shell.

Its really cool, but not as cool as an actual Franchi SPAS

Well you sure fooled me! :what: That appears to be a very good quality airsoft gun.

Girodin

April 4, 2013, 12:40 AM

nothing over the top like post #8 (no offense Girodin),

I take no offense. This gun is not my go to gun, and not even my go to shotgun. I have other semis and a handful of pumps and I feel like I have a decent grasp of some of the pros and cons between them all. I do think that it is a viable fighting shotgun, but probably not for everyone (I wouldn't recommend it for everyone), more on that later. I will say I actually donít think thereís anything really over the top about that gun though. There is nothing on it that is not on it for a reason. There are, however, a few changes I would make were I building it today or if I were to get serious about this gun again. Letís have a look:

The quad rail serves a couple purposes. First it allows me to mount the optic and the light. Some people will say that you donít need an optic on a shotgun. I have a bunch of shotguns without them. For an across the room defensive shotgun a RDS wonít hurt anything but may not be worth the price of admission for most folks. For a broader use tactical or fighting gun it is actually really nice to have. It is probably faster than a bead in close, better in low light, and much better for slugs. It adds capability. Whether it is an addition someone needs or will even find useful depends on how he or she plans to use that gun. Second the quad rail allows for a light to be mounted. A light is a must for a fighting gun as far as I am concerned. I like a good durable light, thus the surefire, and I like to be able to activate it whether I have the gun shouldered on my strong side or support side. Third the quad rail allows me to use a C clamp type grip that I like with my support hand and not get burned on a hot gas tube or anything else.

What would I change? The quad rail adds more weight than I would like it too. Itís not excessive or unbearable. That gun is only slightly heavier than some ARs with optic and lights that I've used. That said I could do what I wanted with just an ultimak and I likely will go in that direction one day when I get back to doing more with that gun. The light has a tape switch, which allows activation with either hand the way I like. It is not pictured. The surefire on it is a serviceable light but is an older model and a small lighter one that is just as functional could be used. The aimpoint on it is one I had available. I think that one day I will either put an RMR or an aimpoint micro on it. These sights weigh less and are something I generally prefer depending on exact use to the pro. The pro is a very good buy though and works well.

Apart from the rail, light, and optic the only other things on it are the magwell, the charging handle, the magpul stock, the sling and the stubby VFG.

The magwell is probably one of the best additions Iíve made to an S12. It makes reloads faster and much more consistent. It also makes them much easier on a closed bolt. JTE may be coming out with a new magwell and I would seriously consider changing to that one if they do. The magwell is a very functional and useful addition. Most people canít smoothly reload an S12 on a closed bolt, if they can even do it at all. The magwell makes doing so a breeze.

Charging handle: The big knob simply makes it easier to grab. I could live without it but it is a nice enhancement with the only downside being a rather slight increase in weight. One could live without it, but I like it.

The stock does a couple things. One it allows a cheek riser that in turn allows one to actually have a cheek weld with the RDS (which is mounted lower than it is in that picture). Without the cheek riser just about any optic on any mounting solution Iíve seen is going to be too high. A good cheek weld is essential to shooting very well. The stock also adjusts which is nice. I can adjust it to accommodate a plate carrier, or winter versus summer clothing (it ranges from -5 to 105 winter to summer at my house). It also accommodates different sized shooters. I like it more than my other gun with a traditional AK stock.

The sling could easily be detached. That said I find the sling a useful addition. It makes transitioning to a handgun easier and allows for shooting the afore mentioned handgun with two hands instead of one when one transitions. It also allows one to sling the gun which can be useful for any number of reasons (note it is a convertible single point/two point sling).

The VFG, I use it as a point to index off. One could do the same thing with a hand stop or an AFG. Itís not essential but I do like having something to index off. I have been playing around with different options on this gun and some others. Iíve had it bare, with an AFG, a VFG, and with a hand stop. One day I may totally settle on just what I like and then set them all up that way, but I havenít yet.

In sum, there is nothing there that doesn't do something and nothing to crazy. I have another S12 that is much more stripped down. The only thing I like about it more is the weight. Itís not that the gun pictured above is unmanageable or anything. And in fact the weight is surely part of what helps to make it a very soft shooter. However, If I were going to get more serious with that gun again I would make changes to shave some weight as I generally like to keep a gun lighter is possible. Dumping the quad rail for an ultimak, using a lighter optic/mount, using a lighter light/mount, would make a difference. If I were really serious about it I might even SBS the thing. Iím actually leaning more towards SBSing a MKA 1919 to be honest. It has a number of advantages vis-ŗ-vis the saigas.

JERRY

April 9, 2013, 09:58 PM

ive order the six round shell saddle for my 18.5" maverick 88. so far i have the recdoil reducer breachergrip and a generic light holder with a generick s&w light mounted on it.....

my 870 (magnum express) is a 20" gun but i havent done anything to that other than a +2 mag ext. in the years ive had it.

oh, Girodin, by over the top i didnt mean that in a bad way, i meant as far as cost goes. most folks can afford a $250.00 short bbl shotgun and add another $100.00 in add-ons to make it "tactical". yours im sure is a wee bit more than $350.00, i think....

breakingcontact

April 10, 2013, 05:36 PM

"Tricked out" means clunky and heavy to me. I take the clean, simple, and practical route.

Agreed.

I have tactical fatigue. Tactics are something you have or do not something you buy. I'm not against an add on or two, but at some point its too much. Sometimes less really is more.

Hate to see the shotgun crowd going like the AR crowd where the challenge is to cover it in rails and attachments or rail covers to cover up the rails you added. Then more rails on top of attachments and rail covers.

theblakester

April 10, 2013, 07:57 PM

Agreed.

I have tactical fatigue. Tactics are something you have or do not something you buy. I'm not against an add on or two, but at some point its too much. Sometimes less really is more.

Hate to see the shotgun crowd going like the AR crowd where the challenge is to cover it in rails and attachments or rail covers to cover up the rails you added. Then more rails on top of attachments and rail covers.

Haha that's awesome. I like my light mount bc it's very low profile. I have extra ammo too, maybe because I'm paranoid about running out of ammo.. But that's it.

mac66

April 11, 2013, 01:31 PM

My tactical single shot, when tactics require you to stash a shotgun away in your truck, cabin etc. Tactical barrel is for bashing people on the head. Tactical pouch holds 20 tactical shells. Tactical dime is used to take down the fore stock.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/mac66/105_9678.jpg

Girodin

April 11, 2013, 04:33 PM

but at some point its too much. Sometimes less really is more.

This is where getting out and using one's guns is important. In addition to learning skills sets that are often much more important that just owning equipment, you get a chance to figure out what additions really are useful and which ones are just dead weight or worse actually impede effective use of the weapon.

oh, Girodin, by over the top i didnt mean that in a bad way, i meant as far as cost goes. most folks can afford a $250.00 short bbl shotgun and add another $100.00 in add-ons to make it "tactical". yours im sure is a wee bit more than $350.00, i think....

Just a little a bit more that that. The optic is about $400 :o.

I agree one can get a very functional shotgun for a pretty reasonable price. This is IMHO THE main reason why shotguns are so popular for HD and pump guns in particular. Good serviceable pumps like the mossberg clone the maverick 88 or a pardner pump or hawk 98X guns can be had for about $200 NIB and less for used but mechanically sound guns. What is a useful addition at that point depends largely on a couple factors. First, intended use. A HD gun doesn't need all the same capabilities that a general fighting shotgun does. For example, my house isn't tiny but there are no 100 yard slug shots to be made anywhere in it. A HD gun has more limited uses and generally the range at which it will be used is rather short. The second major factor in equipping a gun is what equipment you know how to use and can use effectively. Adding things you don't know how to make use of is simply adding weight for the most part.

For a HD gun I like the following. A good light and mounting solution that allows me to readily work the light and has a momentary on off switch. A light is a must. Most critiques of a light only serve to show that the person making the critiques doesn't understand how to properly use it. On the other hand seeing things in the dark often requires a light. A good light and mounting solution is often as much or more than a decent pump shotgun.

The next thing I like is a method of carrying more ammo on the gun. 7-8 rounds may be enough to deal with a threat. That said, I'm not clairvoyant. I can't guarantee that it will be. I'd rather have rounds and not need them. How and where I carry those extra rounds depends on the exact gun in question. In general I like a quality side saddle. Right now I'm a fan of the Ares Gear ones. In general, I don't like the butt cuff holders. They are cheap and easy to put on but have draw backs. They interfere with shooting the gun from my support shoulder. They also aren't in a very good spot to access and load the ammo on a tube fed gun.

Beyond that there are things that add capability but are very far from essential for most HD roles. In one is having to choose where to spend money one would be better served by spending it on instruction and training than further mods or equipment.

All that said, if Beneli M2s cost what a pump gun cost very very few people would bother with owning a pump. Same deal for ARs.

Why is your light so far out on your mag tube?
Wouldn't you want it positioned where you can reach it?

It has since been moved to as far back on the tube as it can be. That pic was taken the day I mounted that light, and I was worried about the shadow of the barrel obscuring too much light (Always used a light on a pistol so never had that problem). Turns out after some experimenting in the dark, I didn't need to be worried as it only obscured a tiny half circle at the very top of the beam.

breakingcontact

April 12, 2013, 10:49 PM

Nice duracoat job on that 930 SPX.

BLACK-N-TAN

April 13, 2013, 10:53 AM

Thx... 1st attempt at a 6 color multicam style camo.. Came out pretty good but im sure the next one would be better now that I know how to layer everything

loose noose

April 13, 2013, 12:13 PM

Just my little model 1100 that I shot DX up at Trinidad Colorado, in 1996. I've also got the 32" trap barrel, as well as a 26" Skeet barrel for it. Kind of my all around gun so to speak.

182712

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RX-178

April 13, 2013, 09:10 PM

I've got one that's tricked out to a considerable degree. I'll post pictures when I can.

It's tricked out to the point of... if I ever had to do it over again, I probably wouldn't, but I've gotten used to it, and I like it, heavy-weight and all, so I'm keeping it tricked out.

breakingcontact

April 14, 2013, 01:16 PM

I like that 1100! Nice.

max popenker

April 15, 2013, 10:13 AM

I'll play, too

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/5383/60730143.jpg

shrewd

April 15, 2013, 10:16 AM

a plain Jane mossy 590 with ghost ring sights

I REALLY want the magpul stock and foreend, but it hasn't come out yet so I run it with the super long stock. This is it halfway through a day long shotgun course where I ran it hard

ZVP

April 15, 2013, 03:54 PM

I can't get a picture to stick but my Westernfield s just about like #8 but with a 20" bbl and slip-on recoil pad.
Apparentlly many of us are following the old style Wood/Metal build-up! The basic H/D Shotgun. I have seen many examples across the net both chopped to size and bought to size with aftermarket parts.
There is nothing like a "Classic" Pump-gun to bet your life on...
No frills, no gizmos.
Simple 5 in the magazine, feed as you go.
BPDave

wish it was mine...
http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab266/tims_albums/nfa2.jpg (http://s870.photobucket.com/user/tims_albums/media/nfa2.jpg.html)

bigdaa

April 21, 2013, 10:22 AM

Freakin' Bonnie and Clyde Barrow special!

bigdaa

April 21, 2013, 10:27 AM

It has changed a bit since I took that pic. These days it has a Slidefire stock and a tromix shark break in place of the thread protector. (the tromix break does WONDERS on the recoil.)
I checked that brake out. Looks like a great breaching tool to boot. It looks hefty, too, but I bet you wouldn't notice it on your rig with a full, large drum.

CGRifleman

April 21, 2013, 07:32 PM

My primary HD weapon is a handgun... but I like to keep my options open.

breakingcontact

April 25, 2013, 02:14 PM

I know a lot of guys are against slings on home defense shotguns, but I just added a VTAC buttstock sling adapter and really like how the shotgun carries with it worn across the body.

-If you needed both your hands, the gun is against your chest flat and the sling isn't going to get snagged on anything.

-You don't need to unsling the shotgun to mount it to your shoulder this way.

http://www.vikingtactics.com/images/14_slingacc/vtac-mk3_slingacc.jpg

JERRY

April 25, 2013, 11:48 PM

Nothing wrong with the sling, but in a home invasion incident you have handled the attack or will be out of ammo and time before you have to resort to slinging your shotgun.

Bobson

April 26, 2013, 02:40 AM

My tactical single shot, when tactics require you to stash a shotgun away in your truck, cabin etc. Tactical barrel is for bashing people on the head. Tactical pouch holds 20 tactical shells. Tactical dime is used to take down the fore stock.

The new Ithica shoots great. Fit and finish is excellent, and on a par with older generations. The parkerized finish is a practical choice. For left handed shooters (like my Son and oldest daughter) bottom eject is nice. The gun has sling swivels (though it lacks a sling mount behind the trigger which some folks seem to like for a single point sling) I have not installed the tac light/bracket combo yet.

Pro's:
Action is slicker than any 870 or Mossberg I've shot
VERY reliable (as are the 870's and Mossbergs)
VERY LIGHT
Easy to load magazine
Excellent setup for left handed shooters. (the safety is reversible for lefties.)

Cons:
Fixed Barrel (seems to be a solution in search of a problem that never existed) and makes cleaning a bit of a pain
Single slide bar (I've NEVER had problems with it, but some might be leery of it)
Bottom eject makes the so called "tactical reload" different than what many are used to doing.
Lack of aftermarket crap to hang on the gun (if that's your thing)

I understand there is nothing special about my Mossy 500 shotgun, but it is mine and does the job. I grew up on a 500 and am use to the tang saftey and slide release. They work best for me being a lefty. I've added a nylon 12ga shell holder to the buttstock and a sling. It sits ready with 00 buck. I've only recently shot it with slugs and am planning a trap shoot with a friend to break in the 28" bbl.

I purchased this combo for $299 on sale last year from Davidsons...that is probably the only thing tactical about this shotgun. :) I've owned an O/U, single shot, Rem 870 security, and still have SxS 12ga for a wall hanger. I might be interested in a 930 but otherwise this one shotty does everyting I need it to do. I would like to get a 20ga combo like this for my kids to learn on.

Many would argue that less is more on an HD shotgun, jpwilly. Nice shotgun.

Sebastian the Ibis

April 28, 2013, 06:43 PM

870 tactical, with a Houge stock set and a loop for a single point sling.

Just about perfect!

ZVP

April 29, 2013, 04:22 PM

When buying or building, owners seem to put function in last place. They look at all the goodies first and it going BANG last.
Your platform for building needs to be reliability. Simple function in either Pump or auto configuration is the prime factor in choosing a brand or Model to start with.
My prime consideration was contract sales. Who and why did they choose a model/brand to go with? What was the prime point? Function above all else! Ease of maintaince and ability to digest everything in spite of what gunk was thrown at it.
That magic Mil Spe'c scenerio that counts when the chips are down and lives are on the line, is where the only real decision could be made. The chosen tests and functional reliability expected needed to be both realistic and bordering along the lines of pure torture! Evidentlly the Gov't has always been able to assemble a set of circumstances to test the metal of any gun. Mud dunkings and temprature extremes set the outer limits of sanity and the battlefield.
This is where you look to find the platform to buy or build upon!
Aside from buying a full combat ready Shotgun a new buyer must select his own Spec's required in his own battle enviornment. A homeowner must defend his "ground" under just as realistic circumstances as a soilder. Carpet lint is no worse a foe than is sand. The H/D Shotgun must function in as a jumbled dirt and jam inducing scnerio as a Military Contractor does.
So just what are the biggest foes to you on your Battlefield?
You need to evaluate all situations that you'll encounter facing a Bad Guy in your livingroom and down the hall. What overall length permits a quick turn in the hall, in the laundry room, or in the Garage? I'd opt for a fairly short barrel 18" to 20" long. OAL with a conventional synthetic or wood stock will be about 40". more than functional. No need for a pistol grip only or folding stock.
How much power do you need? Realistically, a 12 or 20 ga will cover most all needs and ammo is abundant in both gauges. Slugs or Buckshot, Phesant loads for those who must...
Chokes are of little concern at close indoor ranges.
Accessories? Here it gets dicey! You can overburdon youtself with lights, scopes and bayonets or go with a smooth pumpgun with a short barrel.
I chose the smooth route. I wanted as little to get in the way as possible yet have 6 shots at the ready. Feed as you go. I figgure I would turn the lights on and not try to shoot by flashlight. I wanna see my opponent and hit him fast and hard in the center with "00" Buckshot!
A full battle Shotgun may make sense house clearing for a Police Dept but they go through extensive training with all acessories. Stocks collapsed, stocks open, etc. Police and Military orginazitions take the time to train seperate scenerios with each weapon system.
The Honeowner might walk through the house on Saturday morning while everyone is gone shopping, and then maybe only once every 6 months at that. House clearing is more a mental excersize than a physical one on that given Saturday morning. Frankilly the average guy dosen't train hardly at all! It'd be great if you could train weekly as the Pro's do but it's unpratical untill you face the moment and wish that you had!
So the best thing to do is send everyone shopping more often and make that quick 10 minute run through the house. 10 minutes that may save your family!
Training need not take hours but every time you run through it, you find holes in your home defense stratigy. That's what'll count when the moment happens and you need to preform.
Set up your gun for your House, set your house up for defense. and finally set your mind to defend!

BPDave

v8stang289

April 29, 2013, 10:01 PM

My '63 model Wingmaster with a 20" cylinder bore barrel

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg214/v8stang289/rem870.jpg

breakingcontact

April 30, 2013, 11:46 AM

^nice!^

Nothing wrong with the sling, but in a home invasion incident you have handled the attack or will be out of ammo and time before you have to resort to slinging your shotgun.

It's not really "slinging" in the traditional sense, it's not over my shoulder, it's across the chest in front of me.
I like having the option to free up my hands, but still have the gun in front of me ready to go. Or to take one hand off to open/close a door. The sling still supports the shotgun. Understand why some consider a sling a deficit but I prefer them.

I agree overall that simple is better.

PabloJ

May 1, 2013, 09:28 AM

My '63 model Wingmaster with a 20" cylinder bore barrel

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg214/v8stang289/rem870.jpg
Those older 'Wingmasters' are actually very nice shotguns. Looked over seventies or earlier 12ga high polish blue with smooth-bore 18.5" or 20" barrel and rifled sights marked 2&3/4" shells or shorter. I very much like that kind of stuff.
I pretty much stay away from new ones with plastic folding stocks, breeching choke devices,....."kids" now have stuff that serves no practical purpose other then adding weight, cost and ugliness to the shotgun.:rolleyes:

JERRY

May 1, 2013, 09:30 AM

seems there are more "just" shotguns than there are tactical ones....at least in this thread anyway.

Pyzon

May 1, 2013, 10:25 AM

Hunterdad- Nice Stevens for sure. Who makes that bag and where could I find one ? That is exactly what I have been looking for for my cut down 520 and 620, as it does not scream GUN like most others.

And pps, I am a big fan of the Ithaca's as well, but that is the first extended mag tube I have seen. Can you tell me where I could find such a setup ?

Thanks for the sweet pics !

Pyzon

bigdaa

May 1, 2013, 10:30 AM

seems there are more "just" shotguns than there are tactical ones....at least in this thread anyway.
How so, Jerry?

I mean, to me a tactical is a short barreled riot gun and or a high capacity rig, but I admit to being behind the times in terminology.

JERRY

May 1, 2013, 11:51 AM

bigdaa, i mean simply a short bbl shotgun while not a field gun is still too bland by today's standard to be a tactical one.

Inebriated

May 1, 2013, 08:45 PM

Tactical is practical, man. Whatever gives you an advantage in the task at hand, makes whatever you're using "tactical". Not the label on the package.

For me to use my 870 and sit in a room and wait for police, I don't need a light, sling, side-saddle, optic, bayonet, collapsible stock, and cupholder. Just a gun that works. If I'm clearing houses, going into bear country, guarding a group of prisoners, going into combat, bugging out, camping, hunting, etc, the gun will have what it needs to do that task the best.

jpwilly

May 2, 2013, 12:25 AM

bigdaa, i mean simply a short bbl shotgun while not a field gun is still too bland by today's standard to be a tactical one.

We should start a "bland" non-tactical shotgun thread then! :rolleyes:

bigdaa

May 2, 2013, 12:41 AM

^

Hahahahahahahaha

I got the bland covered thrice. :)

CaptainChaos

May 2, 2013, 12:11 PM

I am a big fan of the Ithaca's as well, but that is the first extended mag tube I have seen.

Scatterguns Technology helped with the top gun providing the one shot extension with ring swivel.
The bottom gun got the TruLock Breaching choke tube for the RemChoke smooth barrel.
Both guns were given rifle site barrels for slug work.

The Wingmaster had suffered storage damage in the form of corrosion, so it received a Cerakote spray finish.

Both guns were given foregrips that DO NOT COVER THE LOAD PORT WHEN IN THE REARWARD POSITION.

Note: I ran into an issue with the SpeedFeed. When I made use of a stock swivel, it's mounting screw impeded with the carrier spring and follower negating the function of the lower speed feed tube. I still have a bit more to go in grinding down the screw so it won't impinge. Keep that in mind if you are contemplating a purchase.

Doug S

May 5, 2013, 12:32 PM

It's not very "tactical", but here is my Maverick 88...http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp42/dmattaponi/053-1.jpg (http://s396.photobucket.com/user/dmattaponi/media/053-1.jpg.html)

ZVP

May 8, 2013, 01:11 AM

Just like my H/D Shotgun, except mine is more spares without a sling (I'm afraid of snags)and I only have a bead.
I guess we are in the minority because we follow function rather than hope Gizmos work! I don't think a $200 lazer can replace firing the equivelent in pratice shells! Planning and pratice have no price tag.
I was once told that a good combat gun frrls like a bar of soap so I have deburred, sanded and steel wooled everything to make mine "smooth" feelin! No sharp edges.
BPDave

ZVP

May 8, 2013, 02:27 AM

The other day while finishing the barrel chop on my Westernfield, I found all the sore spots in my bad left sholder. I did a lot of hand work finishing the muzzle.
WHen I reassembled the gun and loaded the ammo sling, I really felt how muzzle light and sholder heavy those 5 rounds made the gun! Fot kicks, I removed the scabbard and bingo! bck to a quick sholdering gun!
Seeing this, I played around with a fully loaded magazine (1oz slugs) and put one up in the chamber. Now that's only maybe 10oz of weight but it really changed the balanc3e and PAIN I felt while handling the gun!
Wanting to further experiment, I loaded different counts of rounds and spare ammo on the gun. My gun is pretty light and balanced. You can feel any changes in balance quickly!
My best and most painless load was one in the chamber, 2 in the magazine and no extras. What a perfect balance and weight!!! Now I know this is not the ideal or even gets near to todays race guns and super preformance set-ups ut I am trying to build and set-up the ideal gun for "Me" with my physical limitations and frequentbouts with severe pain.
It just goes to show you that you CAN set up a personal gun by simple trial and error and just trying to see what works?
I'll probablly never shoot a 9 round long barreled fighting gun but now I do have one set up for an old disabled guy... Bad guys beware!
BPDave

I purchased it in late 04 or early 05. Added a Vang safety, Surefire fore end, tac-star side saddle, and cut the stock down to about a 12.5" LOP and made the grip more aggressive with a woodburning pen. Hasn't changed much since.

I'd like to have the bbl threaded for chokes, so I can use a smaller shot for something other than noise, or tighten up the patterns with the cheap 00B, but I've been planning on having it done since late 04, or early 05...

I find it ironic that Mossberg will hang all kinds of useless crap on a production scattergun, but doesn't offer "defense" bbls with screw in chokes.

MCMXI

July 14, 2013, 12:16 AM

Here's two of my "tactical" Remingtons. I have a couple more 870s and a Winchester '97 "Riot" shotgun.

It shoots. I reckon I could scare off (or eliminate) varmints with it if I needed to. I guess I could even take game with it.

theblakester

February 18, 2014, 09:49 PM

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Just thought id see if we could get this going again...
Mossberg 500 Persuader/ZMB. 20 inch bbl. 7+1 capacity. 3gungear Velcro side saddle. The mount for the light is a lite mount technologies mount that u can get from brownells. The light was $60 off eBay but it's held up to a number of slugs/buckshot. The outer beam of the flashlight hits the fiber optic front sight and lights it up well in the dark.
Im in an apt so I shoot Hornady #4 buck with "versatite" wad (same thing as federals flight control) that's marketed by hornady as a varmint round. Hornady also makes a 00 with their versatite wad (those are on the side saddle) marketed as their FPD line.

The cool thing about these two buckshot loads is that they are about 1/8 of an inch shorter than a standard 2 3/4 inch buckshot round. So in my shotgun I can actually fit 8 in the tube with these shells as opposed to 7.

Tejicano Loco

March 10, 2014, 03:36 AM

I only have four scatterguns, all in 12 gauge ;

This is my SBS, 870 Remy, and Saiga S-12...
http://i61.tinypic.com/24ot5cg.jpg

Lately, my Wingmaster sits at HD duty. I got tired of carrying around 13 rounds in the woods during deer season, so my Express was stripped down and I haven't cared to put everything back on.
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3457/13069275484_08ba8e3065_z.jpg

roadliner

March 20, 2014, 11:33 PM

Since this photo was taken, the stocks were interchanged. The 500's top mounted safety doesn't work well the the pistol grip stock.