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I just posted on another thread about the UK Yamaha website showing details of the P-105.

The Pure CFIIIS sampling does not mention the number of layers. And it's strange that Yamaha does not mention this. Maybe it's the same number of layers as the P-95. I'd be surprised if it's 4 layers like the higher priced P-155.

There are now 4 round speakers and the output has gone up to 14W. I'm sure the sound from the speakers will be better than the earlier P-95.

The additional line level outputs could make the P-105 a good cheaper and lighter alternative as a stage piano (provided you are comfortable with GHS keys).

I just posted on another thread about the UK Yamaha website showing details of the P-105.

The Pure CFIIIS sampling does not mention the number of layers. And it's strange that Yamaha does not mention this. Maybe it's the same number of layers as the P-95. I'd be surprised if it's 4 layers like the higher priced P-155.

There are now 4 round speakers and the output has gone up to 14W. I'm sure the sound from the speakers will be better than the earlier P-95.

I agree- it seems odd that they don't mention the layers which lead me to believe they are just picking one. I hope to be able to try one out soon and post a review as well as my decision whether or not to upgradeThe speakers and the ability to line out though is a major plus.

Anotherscott, both the CP33 and CP300 have 3 stage dynamic AWM sampling.

Correct, thanks. I remember there being *some* spec difference between the CP300 and P155, but don't remember off-hand what it was; and I thought the CP300 had the same sound as the P155, but I'm not certain.

Originally Posted By: bsl100

Also you have sent the P95 sample in the above project. Was it 1 layer or 3 layers?

Dewster's testing says one layer. It sounded like more than one layer to me, but I sent dewster a file intended to make it easier to hear the shifts, and his analysis still came up with one layer.

That said, as I've discussed before, ears are more important than specs. The P95 may only be one layer, but I find it more musical sounding than, for example, the 4-layer PX-130. Other people feel differently, but I'm not the only person who prefers the sound of the P95 either. So just like gradedness, polyphony, triple sensor, escapement... none of that matters nearly as much as how it sounds to your ears and feels to your fingers, and it's not at all uncommon for a board that seems somehow inferior on paper to be the more pleasurable one to play.

The main difference is 128 polyphony in the CP300 vs 64 in the CP33. The P155 has Pure CF sampling with 4 layers.

We have a Clavinova CVP 503PE for home use which has the same 4 layer Pure CF sampling. Have been on the lookout for a lightweight DP for stage and church (for my daughter).

Had considered the CP33, but it's too heavy. The NP V80 is a choice as it has ensemble features (as the CVP) and it's lightweight. The P-105 is another choice as its still a managable 12kg and has 88 GHS keys (will not be too difficult to adjust to as compared to the CVP GH3 keys). It also has dedicated line outs and few pianist styles. Hopefully the sound will be better than the NP series. Will await reviews. Am hoping it will have at least 3 layers so that it's more expressive.

"Grand Piano 1: Sampled from a concert grand piano. It uses different samples depending on the playing strength and produces smoother tonal changes. Suitable not only for classical compositions but also for any style music."

On the P155, the Pure CF is explicitly 4-layer. On the YDP-V240, I read somewhere from Yamaha that the Pure CF is 3-layer. Not sure yet about the P105 but specs do indicate some difference from the P155.

The P105 has "Damper Resonance DSP" not featured on the P155 but does not have "Stereo Sustain Samples" or "Key-Off Samples" present on the P155.

Although I enjoyed listening to the demo, I don't think I would unscrew my P95, cragislist it for $250-280 and upgrade to the 105 just for one piano sound.I would be more inclined to purchase a PX850 and then maybe move the 95 at some point.

Possum95, I agree that the difference between the P-105 and P-95 does not justify an upgrade.

But, it would make sense to go for the P-105 as a first choice. The difference of $100 gets you a better sound engine, better speakers and output, 128 polyphony and Line level outs.

Though there is also a trade-off, you lose the MIDI outputs. The adapter you can buy to restore that functionality is $180. And if some years from now that adapter fails, and the company isn't around, you may be stuck. Since MIDI connectivity is important to me, I would not buy a P-105. But I'd consider the P-35.

Possum95, I agree that the difference between the P-105 and P-95 does not justify an upgrade.

But, it would make sense to go for the P-105 as a first choice. The difference of $100 gets you a better sound engine, better speakers and output, 128 polyphony and Line level outs.

Totally agree- especially for a first time buyer. I still might do it though, but I think that Casio is offering more in their upgrade with a different key touch.In addition I think there is more of a difference in the x50 to x30 privia models

IF you upgrade from a P95 that should really be to the next step up, and not just to a board with minor advantages. I.e. to instruments such as P155, MP6 etc., or comparable consoles if that's your cup of tea.