also the most disgraceful actions by a franchise in recent sports history

nyjunc

05-22-2008, 05:52 AM

This would just go away a bit if the Pats and their fans would just suck it up, admit they cheated and move on . They keep trying to convince us they didn't do anything wrong and keep blaming other factors. This was a HUGE story, what did you expect the media to do? I am tired of the excuses. You cheated, you got caught and they gave you a little penalty all while destroying evidence so the public never knows what really went on. Just be thankful the league destroyed the tapes b/c I have a feeling there was alot worse stuff on those tapes for them to do that.

McCool

05-22-2008, 06:15 PM

This would just go away a bit if the Pats and their fans would just suck it up, admit they cheated and move on . They keep trying to convinve us they didn't do anything wromng and keep blaming other factors. This was a HUGE story, what did you expect the media to do? I am tired of the excuses. You cheated, you got caught and they gave you a little penalty all while destroying evidence so the public never knows what really went on. Just be thankful the league destroyed the tapes b/c I have a feeling there was alot worse stuff on those tapes for them to do that.

AMEN!

TomBradyWoot

05-24-2008, 11:24 PM

all while destroying evidence so the public never knows what really went on. Just be thankful the league destroyed the tapes b/c I have a feeling there was alot worse stuff on those tapes for them to do that.
And the rest of the league.

But we'll ignore that part.

nyjunc

05-25-2008, 08:35 AM

And the rest of the league.

But we'll ignore that part.

If other teams were doing it they were smart enough to stop when the league caught the Pats in '06 but the Pats thought they were above the law and they got caught. Was the rest of the league also practicing w/ players on IR too?

Layfield

05-25-2008, 03:01 PM

And the rest of the league.

But we'll ignore that part.
This is interesting. People like you act that everyone else cheats as well. The fact is that you can insinuate that everyone else does it all you want but there has been zero evidence of it.

If the patriots team beat up a bunch of boyscouts would you say its ok because everyone else does it?

By the way if everyone else really does steal signals therefore its not bad, then the patriots are the worst cheaters ever to get caught in 2006 and 2007 before any of the other 31 cheaters got caught.

Coral Reefer

05-26-2008, 02:25 AM

:lol:

Love these Pats fans who you can bet aren't just loggin on to this site but I'm sure any other teams site to post any Boston based arguments meant to dismiss any negativity towards the Pats in this mess THEY created.

If you guys did nothing wrong, why even bother carrying on such a crusade and do you really think you are changing the views of fans from any other franchise but your own?

MR NFLFAN

05-26-2008, 01:47 PM

If other teams were doing it they were smart enough to stop when the league caught the Pats in '06 but the Pats thought they were above the law and they got caught. Was the rest of the league also practicing w/ players on IR too?

Posted by ESPN.com's Mike Sando
Sen. Arlen Specter said former Patriots video assistant Matt Walsh indicated he saw the Jets taping signals at one point during a Jets-Patriots game, but Walsh did not say anything about it at the time. Specter also thinks the NFL hasn't done enough to investigate the Patriots' taping practices in 2003, 2004 and 2005, even though Walsh told Specter he observed, from the stands, the Patriots taping signals after Walsh had left the organization as an employee.

Hey Arlen and Roger why no investigation of the jets?

How about the righteous acting Jets fans who quote Walsh's statements like they come from God himself. I guess there is no "if's" about weather other teams were doing it

Posted by ESPN.com's Mike Sando
Sen. Arlen Specter said former Patriots video assistant Matt Walsh indicated he saw the Jets taping signals at one point during a Jets-Patriots game, but Walsh did not say anything about it at the time. Specter also thinks the NFL hasn't done enough to investigate the Patriots' taping practices in 2003, 2004 and 2005, even though Walsh told Specter he observed, from the stands, the Patriots taping signals after Walsh had left the organization as an employee.

Hey Arlen and Roger why no investigation of the jets?

How about the righteous acting Jets fans who quote Walsh's statements like they come from God himself. I guess there is no "if's" about weather other teams were doing it

I just love this. Pats fans will tell us over and over what a liar Matt Walsh is but then he says the Jets also spied and now we are supposed to believe him?

MR NFLFAN

05-27-2008, 09:04 AM

I just love this. Pats fans will tell us over and over what a liar Matt Walsh is but then he says the Jets also spied and now we are supposed to believe him?

Actually this thread topic was about how this was mishandled by the media until you jumped in all high and mighty and tell us "This would just go away a bit if the Pats and their fans would just suck it up, admit they cheated and move on".
I guess jets fans can't suck it up and admit your own team also cheated.
In the end it turned out it wasn't Walsh who was a liar it was bad reporting.
This is a huge story and it should also be investigated.

nyjunc

05-27-2008, 09:39 AM

Actually this thread topic was about how this was mishandled by the media until you jumped in all high and mighty and tell us "This would just go away a bit if the Pats and their fans would just suck it up, admit they cheated and move on".
I guess jets fans can't suck it up and admit your own team also cheated.
In the end it turned out it wasn't Walsh who was a liar it was bad reporting.
This is a huge story and it should also be investigated.

No, this thread was another whiny Pats fan thread w/ the "world is against the Pats" attitude as if media is trying to drag down the Pats. The story was a huge story- what did you expect the media to do?

There's no proof the Jets cheated, the Pats tried to bring that up last yera and the league found the Jets did nothing wrong but keep deflecting if it makes you feel better. If the jets did do it I'm sure at some point I would have tried to make excuses like the Pats fans have but at some point you have to accept it and move on.

SpurzN703

05-27-2008, 10:04 AM

And the rest of the league.

But we'll ignore that part.

Any proof to back your claim up?

MR NFLFAN

05-27-2008, 01:10 PM

No, this thread was another whiny Pats fan thread w/ the "world is against the Pats" attitude as if media is trying to drag down the Pats. The story was a huge story- what did you expect the media to do?

I started this thread with nothing more than a link. Post #3 was the first real whiny post and that came from you. The initial story line of illegal video tapes is one thing but from that point on the media blew everything up. Reporting a walk thru tape with not one ounce of proof just some lame anomyous source one that hadn't seen any such tape. If that wasn't trying to drag down the Pats then I have a nice bridge to sell you.

There's no proof the Jets cheated, the Pats tried to bring that up last yera and the league found the Jets did nothing wrong but keep deflecting if it makes you feel better. If the jets did do it I'm sure at some point I would have tried to make excuses like the Pats fans have but at some point you have to accept it and move on.

Investigation hogwash.
Obviously Walsh isn't talking about last year since he hasn't been with the pats since 2002. This was before that time.
The league clearly hadn't spoken to Matt Walsh then so that investigation should be reopened. And you talk about excuses. Perhaps next time before you step up on your pulpit to throw sh*# at pats fans you might want to check your own house because its far from squeaky clean in the Jersey swamp.

nyjunc

05-27-2008, 02:38 PM

I started this thread with nothing more than a link. Post #3 was the first real whiny post and that came from you. The initial story line of illegal video tapes is one thing but from that point on the media blew everything up. Reporting a walk thru tape with not one ounce of proof just some lame anomyous source one that hadn't seen any such tape. If that wasn't trying to drag down the Pats then I have a nice bridge to sell you.

Investigation hogwash.
Obviously Walsh isn't talking about last year since he hasn't been with the pats since 2002. This was before that time.
The league clearly hadn't spoken to Matt Walsh then so that investigation should be reopened. And you talk about excuses. Perhaps next time before you step up on your pulpit to throw sh*# at pats fans you might want to check your own house because its far from squeaky clean in the Jersey swamp.

Again, this was another Pats excuse thread.

It's pure comedy how Pats fans refuse to believe anything Walsh had to say about the Pats but he says something negative about the Jets and you believe him. AGAIN- which is it? Is Walsh telling the truth or not?

BobDole

05-27-2008, 02:38 PM

well. that was the most biased and least credible article i have ever read. fantastic.

nyjunc

05-27-2008, 02:40 PM

Pats fans should be thankful the media that's out to get them is ignoring the IR story.

MR NFLFAN

05-27-2008, 02:59 PM

Pats fans should be thankful the media that's out to get them is ignoring the IR story.

Why according to you Walsh can't be believed. Oh thats right he can when he reports crap about the Pats but not the jets.

:up:

nyjunc

05-27-2008, 03:21 PM

Why according to you Walsh can't be believed. Oh thats right he can when he reports crap about the Pats but not the jets.

:up:

The difference is I never called him a liar like you guys have. I believe he did tell the truth about seeing a Jets cameraman but he has no idea what they were doing. Maybe we did cheat too? I don't know, there's no evidence to back that up. When there is I will be embarrassed and admit the Jets cheated and it will be worse since we didn't win if we were found to have cheated.

MR NFLFAN

05-27-2008, 05:26 PM

The difference is I never called him a liar like you guys have. I believe he did tell the truth about seeing a Jets cameraman but he has no idea what they were doing. Maybe we did cheat too? I don't know, there's no evidence to back that up. When there is I will be embarrassed and admit the Jets cheated and it will be worse since we didn't win if we were found to have cheated.

"You guys?"
Please go and find where I called him a liar. Also while your at it find where I denied the Pats illegally video taped or said it was no big deal. You've made statements that if pats fans would just suck it up and admit they cheated. I've haven't tried to defend the Pats wrong doing yet all I hear from you is I'm making excuses. The way I feel about Walsh's statements is you either believe his statements in entirety or you don't. My point about posting his statements regarding the jets video taping was that I find it funny the press hasn't picked up on anything the man has said unless in involves the Patriots. We've heard all about the IR incident but almost nothing about the reports of the jets video taping.
That fact supports my original post about how the media has had a witch hunt agenda with the reporting of spygate.

nyjunc

05-28-2008, 06:03 AM

I apologize then, it's just everywhere I turn Pats fans are whining about something in an effort to somehow justify what the Pats did was ok. The media has to cover something like this the way they did, it's a HUGE story. I don't know what you expected? Last year the complainst of the Pats against the Jets were covered but these latest allegations by Wlash happened w/ a previous regime so it's a non-story. It's a non-story anyway b/c all Walsh said was he saw a Jets cameraman and assumed he was doing the same thing he was. There's not much to that but there is something to the IR story which has basically been ignored. The Pats have been the darlings of the league all decade which is why they destroyed the tapes and slapped them on the wrist last year.

Itsdahumidity

05-28-2008, 11:46 AM

"You guys?"
Please go and find where I called him a liar. Also while your at it find where I denied the Pats illegally video taped or said it was no big deal.

Ask and Ye shall receive:

2/01/08

"Belichick broke the video tape rule for sure but I think the whole spygate thing and the advantages of the tapes was really blown out of proportion big time.

3/10/08

As to your question about Matt Walsh I can't give you an answer. I'd like to know a bit more back ground on the man but my initial feeling is he's not the most credible man.

Call it what you want (i.e. defelction..whatever) but to me if you have shown a past history of deceit and lies I'm not going to just take you at your word.3/19/08

Being fired for secrectly taping conversations with Pioli and stealing league properity along with lying about his actual position with the Patriots and a non exsistant confidentiality agreement doesn't pass my smell test either.

Posted by ESPN.com's Mike Sando
Sen. Arlen Specter said former Patriots video assistant Matt Walsh indicated he saw the Jets taping signals at one point during a Jets-Patriots game, but Walsh did not say anything about it at the time. Specter also thinks the NFL hasn't done enough to investigate the Patriots' taping practices in 2003, 2004 and 2005, even though Walsh told Specter he observed, from the stands, the Patriots taping signals after Walsh had left the organization as an employee.

Hey Arlen and Roger why no investigation of the jets?

How about the righteous acting Jets fans who quote Walsh's statements like they come from God himself. I guess there is no "if's" about weather other teams were doing it

I think it's funny that you bolded those statements and not these.

"Specter also thinks the NFL hasn't done enough to investigate the Patriots' taping practices in 2003, 2004 and 2005, even though Walsh told Specter he observed, from the stands, the Patriots taping signals after Walsh had left the organization as an employee."

MR NFLFAN

06-01-2008, 05:39 PM

I think it's funny that you bolded those statements and not these.

"Specter also thinks the NFL hasn't done enough to investigate the Patriots' taping practices in 2003, 2004 and 2005, even though Walsh told Specter he observed, from the stands, the Patriots taping signals after Walsh had left the organization as an employee."

Goodell already stated that Belichick told him he had "misinterrupted" the rule and had taped since he became HC in NE back in 2000. The commisioner made that statement a day or so prior to the SB so it wasn't anything we hadn't heard already.

I bolded that because it brought a new insight to other teams who possibly had "misinturrupted" the same rule. If the senator wanted to speak to walsh for enlightenment he certainly seems to have ignored the bolded line. I find it funny you think 4 month old information is news?

Bumpus

06-02-2008, 10:17 AM

Care for some whine with your cheese?

Sweet, sweet nectar.

Some of my favorites from the article:

Lets get this out of the way first -Bill Belichick and the Patriots broke the rules. There is no disputing that. They were punished for it.
:lol: ... and now on to blaming someone else ... :lol:

THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS CHEATED AND ALL THEIR CHAMPIONSHIPS ARE NOW TAINTED.
Gee, that is such fun to say.

You can’t turn around these days without someone howling about the integrity of the game, about tainted championships, about lifetime suspensions.
Yeah, because integrity has no importance at all. The bottom line is winning at any cost, right?

Matt Walsh - Disgruntled ex-Patriots employee who was fired from his job for recording conversations with his superiors. ‘Nuff said

Arlen Specter- Disgruntled Eagles fan, who is also trying to strongarm the NFL into granting more favorable terms to Comcast, one of his key campaign contributors. He apparently believes everything he hears from Mark Schlereth on ESPN and what he reads in the New York Times, which may not be such a great idea. (See below.)

Greg Bishop, New York Times - You can detect a clear pattern in his stories. Let’s see, a puff piece on Charley Casserly in April leads to a piece in May with a “longtime N.F.L. team executive.” Think they’re not one and the same?

Another puff piece on Michael Levy in March leads to the Times getting the 8 Tapes from Walsh before the NFL did and also an exclusive interview with Matt Walsh.

Why in the world would the New York Times write a piece on Drew Bledsoe? (March 10) Well, on February 22nd, Bishop got a “a former Patriots player” to talk about the Patriots taping signals as far back as 2000. Is it too much of a stretch to consider that Bishop wrote the article on Bledsoe’s wine and coffee business ventures as payola for the info in the Feb 22nd article?

Mark Schlereth, ESPN - Prior to the Patriots, his Denver Broncos were considered a mini dynasty of their own. Now, relegated to a footnote Schlereth has tried to discredit the Patriots at every turn...
More of the let's try and shift the blame to anyone else...

Had Tomase not published his story, perhaps this thing would be a dead issue by now.
Had your coach not intentionally ignored a directive from the NFL, perhaps your organization would not be up the creek it is.

Can you sit there and realistically say that had it been Tony Dungy, Jon Gruden or Herman Edwards that did this that the stories and commentary would be as nasty and personal?
Again, let's try and shift the blame. Were any of these three men caught cheating by the NFL? Hmmm? Didn't think so.

...With Belichick, it’s because he is a cheater...
:lol: Well, he is, isn't he?

Which brings us to the best part:

It all added up to the The Most Miserable 18-1 Season in History but it clearly hasn’t stopped there.
:) Have a nice day.