Sarcastic wrote:If Despres and Bortuzzo chip in, it will certainly help. What worries me is the amount of ice time guys like martin and niskanen get. I'll be rooting for them, but their lack of size and clear cut skill isn't something that can really change. That's where we need Bylsma to come in with a plan.

I liked Grossman a lot. According to many Flyers fans, he was their best D in the playoffs. I think we could have really used him ourselves, to be honest.

Sarcastic wrote:I think our D is, again, a question mark and I refuse to see the Pens as a clear cut threat to win the cup until it proves itself. I said it many times in the past that I want to see one more scoring D (to replace martin or niskanen) and one big mean sob who can push people out of the crease.

Martin was 53rd in the league among D scoring. I don't think D scoring is an issue with him (considering how many D are behind him).

Sarcastic wrote:I think our D is, again, a question mark and I refuse to see the Pens as a clear cut threat to win the cup until it proves itself. I said it many times in the past that I want to see one more scoring D (to replace martin or niskanen) and one big mean sob who can push people out of the crease.

Martin was 53rd in the league among D scoring. I don't think D scoring is an issue with him (considering how many D are behind him).

So Statistically he's in #2 range for scoring where Letang should be in the top 20 or so prorated.

Martin is so frustrating because when he's good he's really good but when he's off his game he's hands down the worst player on the team. Reminds me of Gonchar in that regard. Hopefully his last three years end up like Gonchar's where he plays the best hockey of his life coming up. We will see pretty quick today if he is still making stupid pinches on the other side and keeps backing into his own end giving up the blue line while giving the shooter a screen.

Sarcastic wrote:I think our D is, again, a question mark and I refuse to see the Pens as a clear cut threat to win the cup until it proves itself. I said it many times in the past that I want to see one more scoring D (to replace martin or niskanen) and one big mean sob who can push people out of the crease.

Martin was 53rd in the league among D scoring. I don't think D scoring is an issue with him (considering how many D are behind him).

So Statistically he's in #2 range for scoring where Letang should be in the top 20 or so prorated.

Martin is so frustrating because when he's good he's really good but when he's off his game he's hands down the worst player on the team. Reminds me of Gonchar in that regard. Hopefully his last three years end up like Gonchar's where he plays the best hockey of his life coming up. We will see pretty quick today if he is still making stupid pinches on the other side and keeps backing into his own end giving up the blue line while giving the shooter a screen.

Letang was 17th in the league for D-man scoring last year, just as a reference.

There's nothing wrong with our D scoring. They're pretty much on par with the rest of the league.

Really? A second assist argument? So, we should just not count anyone else's assists either, because they may be secondary. Malkin shouldn't have won the Art Ross, he may have had too many secondary assists

Well, listen, if both the GM and the coach publically admit he wasn't good last year, I think I'm going to take their word for it. As i said, I will be rooting for him and all that. But he needs to be better and i'm sure he knows it.

MRandall25 wrote:Really? A second assist argument? So, we should just not count anyone else's assists either, because they may be secondary. Malkin shouldn't have won the Art Ross, he may have had too many secondary assists

Sarcastic wrote:Well, listen, if both the GM and the coach publically admit he wasn't good last year, I think I'm going to take their word for it. As i said, I will be rooting for him and all that. But he needs to be better and i'm sure he knows it.