I was hoping a Z would at least act as a stand-in for a new Elite Pro, but sounds more like a slightly beat Elite Pro? I play wooded courses mostly, and have never had much success getting a Leopard to straighten out, whereas it's easy with an XL... okay, well some days it's easier than others....

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Disc Golf (n): A game in which a round plastic object is thrown into trees until it is beat in to resemble its preferred flight characteristics, at which point it is thrown into a lake.

I can't flip Star Leopards at full power and Champ flips a couple of degrees.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.

My problem isn't so much getting Elite Pros straight but in finding new ones. I have never thrown a Z XS but I am under the impression they have a harder fade like an Eagle especially when powered down which is why I don't like Eagles.

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Disc Golf (n): A game in which a round plastic object is thrown into trees until it is beat in to resemble its preferred flight characteristics, at which point it is thrown into a lake.

Yes the Z XS does fly kinda like an Eagle when powered down. Have you tried the ESP XL's? the domier ones were straight and glidey. I haven't thrown one in a while but it may be a good replacement for the Elite Pros which are OoP.

I've never tried an ESP XL because a) I get thrown off by the different stability number and b) every ESP disc I have tried has been a bunch of feces. Speaking of which, I've noticed that the go-to comparison with the XL on this thread is the aptly-acronymed Avenger SS, which might be the stupidest disc I've ever thrown.

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Disc Golf (n): A game in which a round plastic object is thrown into trees until it is beat in to resemble its preferred flight characteristics, at which point it is thrown into a lake.

are you sure you haven't been throwing ESP FLX. The A-SS is a good disc if you know what you're doing. And actually I've always admired DC for changing the flight rating for different plastics. Plastic does have a big effect on flight. ESP isn't bad. FLX I don't really like but I guess it's good for guys playing in cold climates.

keltik wrote:are you sure you haven't been throwing ESP FLX. The A-SS is a good disc if you know what you're doing. And actually I've always admired DC for changing the flight rating for different plastics. Plastic does have a big effect on flight. ESP isn't bad. FLX I don't really like but I guess it's good for guys playing in cold climates.

I beg to differ about FLX ASS. That ASS flexes all over being flippy as hell. One of the yuckiest drivers ever if given any power. For a total newbie maybe without other growth potential than as a roller. Which any disc will become eventually if thrown often and long enough. Might be decade for some discs but the FLX ASS is a roller out of the box.

Flat shots need running on the center line of the tee and planting each step on the center line. Anhyzer needs running from rear right to front left with the plant step hitting the ground to the left of the line you're running on. Hyzer is the mirror of that.

JR, I don't think you quite understood Keltik's post. He correctly guessed my poor opinion of A-SS was due to me throwing the FLX incarnation. Also, just bought another slightly (I hope) used EP XL on Ebay for $7 shipped. They are terrible and I recommend nobody buy them ever....

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Disc Golf (n): A game in which a round plastic object is thrown into trees until it is beat in to resemble its preferred flight characteristics, at which point it is thrown into a lake.