WWI Digest 188
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) 12 July 1916, Buc, Paris
by u1a00518@wvnvm.wvnet.edu
2) Off topic
by MEBA@cso.com
3) Re: Off topic
by GRBroman@aol.com
4) Re: Fokker works numbers...
by t_eisen@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Eisenhour)
5) Revell's 1/28 D VII
by "Joseph J. Gentile, III"
6) A7V
by Brian Nicklas
7) Re: Large scale FT-17
by lsmodels@ix.netcom.com (MIKE AND LAURIE WEST) (by way of BOEKE@bucknell.edu (Joseph R. Boeke))
8) Re: Fokker works numbers...
by drinker@fast.net
9) Re: Fantasy of Flight Museum
by bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael)
10) Re: Fantasy of Flight Museum
by hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart)
11) Re: Fokker works numbers...
by shingend@ix.netcom.com (Mark Shannon)
12) Victor Chaplin's plane markings
by u1a00518@wvnvm.wvnet.edu
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 07:38:25 -0400
From: u1a00518@wvnvm.wvnet.edu
To: wwi
Subject: 12 July 1916, Buc, Paris
Message-ID: <199607121138.HAA27503@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Fine day. Out for work in early a.m. but wind prevented flying. Off with Willis
for Paris by 7:30. Left ring to be fixed at jewelers. Stopped at Hotel Moscow to
engage room for Sat. night. Went to see Capt. Parker but found him out of town.
Saw Mr & Mrs Guerquin. Dined with a Miss Wilson when Willis took me to see an
awfully nice Amer. girl. Reminded me of Sally Beecher a lot. Back at school by 5
but no work on account of wind.
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 07:02:25 -0500
From: MEBA@cso.com
To: WW1 Modelers
Subject: Off topic
Message-ID: <199607120702.HAA26746@cso.com>
Sort of off topic, but might be of interest to those early armor
heads on the list. Just seen at the Squadron Just Arrived page:
APMAAA BOOKS FROM RUSSIA
Armor Books
WW-ZA0042 Early Russian Tanks (SC) $10.97 $12.98
Russian text with english captions on photos, covers Russian Renault,
T-18, T-19, T-12/24. 110 B&W photos, sideview & 4-view drawings, 5
color sideviews, 64 pages,
Enjoy!
Hey, just thought of something...maybe this book has interior details
on the Russian Renault!
Matt
meba@cso.com
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:31:35 -0400
From: GRBroman@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Off topic
Message-ID: <960712093134_154405836@emout10.mail.aol.com>
In a message dated 96-07-12 08:10:11 EDT, you write:
>Hey, just thought of something...maybe this book has interior details
>on the Russian Renault!
>
Hi Matt, I just got some pictures from a friend on holidays. He
went to the OTF convention in D.C. and took a route through all of the
museums en (and off) route. He had about 6 pictures of Renualts taken at
Fort knox. One has the interior completely restored. I am getting copies
made this week. Also discovered one in the Virginia Military Museum that has
all the shell racks intact. I am negotiating with the staff for pictures of
that one. BTW, Bob Horton is compiling a list of WWI artillery and Armor in
the States with its location and condition. If anybody has some info to
share, you can pass it to me and I will give it to Bob. He is also working
on an article or two on German "Archie". I will try to talk him into letting
me post it when he is done. Glen
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 07:27:58 -0700
From: t_eisen@ix.netcom.com (Thomas Eisenhour)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Fokker works numbers...
Message-ID: <199607121427.HAA18399@dfw-ix2.ix.netcom.com>
Mark wrote:
>
>In the scale you say you're working in, one marking that wasn't
>mentioned but is visible on new Dr. I's is a dark line at the mid
>point of the leading edge of each wing -- extending through to the
>'bumpers'(I don't know what else to call them, the protector caps on
>the leading edge to protect the wing in shipping?).
I believe Alex Imrie calls the little biscuit-shaped things stacking
pads.
If you have Imrie's book and the Windsock Dr. I datafile special you
can go nuts detailing the Dr. I. (Now if only Imrie would do one on the
Pfalz D.XII!)
Tom Eisenhour
t_eisen@ix.netcom.com
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 11:04:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Joseph J. Gentile, III"
To: wwi
Subject: Revell's 1/28 D VII
Message-ID: <199607121604.LAA25357@Walden.MO.NET>
Hello all,
Has anyone seen the inside of this kit yet. If so, a brief report would be
most appreciated. The only glimpes have seemingly been artist renditions of
Franz Buchners aircraft from Jasta 13.
Joe
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 96 13:38:33 EDT
From: Brian Nicklas
To:
Subject: A7V
Message-ID: <199607121737.NAA29007@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
Just thought I'd pas word that I managed to get a copy of
the book "The German A7V Tank and the Captured British Mark IV
Tanks of World War I" on an Inter-Library Loan.
I thought I'd get a good look before I bought one.
Looks like I may buy after all, at a first look.
Lotsa detail in this one.
Maybe I'll finish my Tauro kit after all.
(But first the Drachen balloon, which is progressing
quite nicely!)
Brian
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Date: 11 Jul 1996 11:32:58 GMT
From: lsmodels@ix.netcom.com (MIKE AND LAURIE WEST) (by way of BOEKE@bucknell.edu (Joseph R. Boeke))
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Large scale FT-17
Message-ID: <4s2opa$5vm@dfw-ixnews10.ix.netcom.com>
In hdsf@leonardo.net (Brian B.
Chin) writes:
>I have read in British modeling magazine about the new 1/15 scale
>Renault FT-17 tank. Can someone please tell me the manufacturer and
>where to purchase a copy.
The kit is made byADV/Azmut in France. It is a very nice kit in
resin and white metal. I have one in stock and at a discount . I will
get the price for you and get back to you with it and postage charges.
Adv also makes two figures to go with it in resin .They are sold
seperately.
Mike West/Lone Star Models
lsmodels@ix.netcom.com
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 96 16:58 EDT
From: drinker@fast.net
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Fokker works numbers...
Message-ID:
wasn't
mentioned but is visible on new Dr. I's is a dark line at the mid point
of the leading edge of each wing -- extending through to the 'bumpers'
(I don't know what else to call them, the protector caps on the leading
edge to protect the wing in shipping?). It is sometimes painted over
by personal markings. The color is thought to be either black or red.
Interesting..... Would you mind quoting the reference for these lines
and some photos where this is seen?
The "bumps" are indeed stacking pads. Some Dr-1's appear without them.
Sometimes evidence that the wings were re- covered.
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 19:36:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: bucky@postoffice.ptd.net (Mary-Ann/Michael)
To: wwi, Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: Fantasy of Flight Museum
Message-ID: <199607122336.TAA04772@ns1.ptd.net>
I was looking over the magazine selection at my local news stand and found
something called Aviation Illustrated. Only the second issue. Lots of WWII
stuff, but there was a nice article on Henry Farre. There was also some info
on a new museum in Fla. called Fantasy of Flight. It is located in Polk
City, Fla. Seems like there are some flight simulators of WWII aircraft.
There also appears to be a trench strafing scene witha Nieuport 17 attacking
the Huns. The plane has the rooster insignia of Rocques. Anyone on the list
close enough to give a report?
Mike Muth
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 18:00:59 -0700
From: hartc@spot.Colorado.EDU (Charles Hart)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Fantasy of Flight Museum
Message-ID:
Mike wrote:
>I was looking over the magazine selection at my local news stand and found
>something called Aviation Illustrated. Only the second issue. Lots of WWII
>stuff, but there was a nice article on Henry Farre. There was also some info
>on a new museum in Fla. called Fantasy of Flight. It is located in Polk
>City, Fla. Seems like there are some flight simulators of WWII aircraft.
>There also appears to be a trench strafing scene witha Nieuport 17 attacking
>the Huns. The plane has the rooster insignia of Rocques. Anyone on the list
>close enough to give a report?
This museum showcases the collection of Warbird collector Kermit
Weeks. He owns a couple of original WW I types, including a Sopwith 1 1/2
strutter, which I think is under restoration. From what I have seen
published on this museum (I think that it opened earlier this year) the
displays focus on making one feel as if they were right thereon the flight
line.
Charles
hartc@spot.colorado.edu
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 18:12:28 -0700
From: shingend@ix.netcom.com (Mark Shannon)
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Fokker works numbers...
Message-ID: <199607130112.SAA17738@dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com>
You wrote:
>
> wasn't
>mentioned but is visible on new Dr. I's is a dark line at the mid
point
>of the leading edge of each wing -- extending through to the 'bumpers'
>(I don't know what else to call them, the protector caps on the
leading
>edge to protect the wing in shipping?). It is sometimes painted over
>by personal markings. The color is thought to be either black or red.
>
>
>Interesting..... Would you mind quoting the reference for these lines
>and some photos where this is seen?
>
>The "bumps" are indeed stacking pads. Some Dr-1's appear without them.
>Sometimes evidence that the wings were re- covered.
>
A couple of photos in Imrie, along with descriptions in the appendices
of the factory markings. I'm afraid I'm not working at my best, I've
been fighting a sinus and ear infection, and today I just had to have
my air-conditioning compressor replaced (That puts paid to trying to
buy some highly desired kits for a while!). Ouch!!!!
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Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 22:43:29 -0400
From: u1a00518@wvnvm.wvnet.edu
To: wwi
Subject: Victor Chaplin's plane markings
Message-ID: <199607130243.WAA01590@pease1.sr.unh.edu>
OK, I think I can put this to rest. Here are some quotations from Cross &
Cockade, Vol 2, No 1.
"Six Nieuport 11's arrived during the first week of May. Three were equipped
with the 80 hp LeRhone rotary engine, and the other three were powered by the
110 hp LeRhone rotary. This was the best French fighter in service at the time,
having appeared on the front only four months previously. Its top speed was
close to 100 mph at sea level, and its fuel supply allowed an endurance of two
hours. THENAULT assigned the 110s to BILL THAW, De LAAGE de MEUX, and himself;
while KIFFEN ROCKWELL, VICTOR CHAPMAN, and JAMES McCONNELL were given the 80 hp
machines. According to a letter written by VICTOR CHAPMAN, some of the airplanes
were camouflaged with mottled light and dark brown, bearing landscape imitations
in light and dark green; the same type of camouflage then being used on camions,
tents, cannons, etc. His own plane, an 80 hp model, was a SOLID CREAM COLOR,
which he said was something new they were trying out (this is the plane in the
photo with the broken windshield-- Bradley). It required daily washing, however.
BERT HALL described his Nieuport 11 as being painted sky blue on all bottom
surfaces."
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"(Chapman) came down at Vadelaincourt to have his wound dressed and returned to
the field at Bar-le-Duc about 3:30. Since a patrol was scheduled for 4:00
o'clock, CHAPMAN wanted to take part, but Capt. THENAULT forbade him. For his
courage the Captain assigned him a new NIEUPORT 11 with the 110 hp LeRhone
engine to replace his damaged 80 hp machine. He was happy with this airplane,
and two days before his death, SCRAPED THE CAMOUFLAGE PAINT OFF THE FUSELAGE and
had his mechanic paint it PALE GRAY in order to make it less visible."
(Thus, to make an obvious point, the SOLID CREAM Nieuport in the photo with the
broken windshield is NOT the Nieuport in which he was killed-- Bradley).
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"This is the only mention, in BOELCKE's published writings on an encounter with
anything resembling the ESCADRILLE AMERICAINE, but two points seem to cast doubt
on the escadrille actually having been N.124. First, the German pilot's
description of American flags being painted on the fuselage seems unlikely.
BALSLEY carried a large white star on his fuselage and on his wheels in honor of
his home state of Texas. JAMES McCONNELL had "MAC" painted in white letters on
his fuselage, later to be replaced by a white footprint, the symbol of a society
he presided over while at the University of Virginia. BERT HALL carried the word
"BERT" on one side of his fuselage with a mirror image of the same word on the
other side of the fuselage. CHAPMAN carried NO MARKING. (I had heard somewhere
that he may have painted a "C" on his fuselage-- Bradley). One of the Nieuports
bore a large "R", probably KIFFIN ROCKWELL'S. NORMAN PRINCE's machine carried a
large "P", and a single playing dice with one dot appeared on JOHNSON's machine.
It seems unlikely that any of these symbols could have been mistaken for a U.S.
flag."
Hope this helps. Still no mention of the serial number on Chapman's plane.
--Bradley
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