AMD is faster in gaming, but if you want a more efficient.... erm no, hang on.. a cooler syste... No, not there either... A more stable... actually, no... erm..... cheaper? yes! the 820D is the cheapest available dual core solution! yes! Intel wins! Intel is great!

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Hey, I respect his dedication and abilities, but he ain't half blind much of the time.

To be perfectly fair, if the P-M is taken into account, things aren't <i>entirely</i> in AMD's favour. But until Intel really starts the ball rolling with a nice (desktop) line up based on that tech, it's all AMD ATM. If I was to buy a new <i>laptop</i> now, it'd be a P-M one.

Desktop-wise, I'm happy to sit here with my A64 system and see what happens in the next couple of years. I really don't care more for either company.

I care about ease of cooling (noise), value for money and performance. And yes, this is all (bar all the dually arguments, which are more logical extrapolation & [admittedly not very intensive] research) based on <i>personal</i> experience, before anyone starts shouting about me just 'following the pack'.

Seriously though, how many Intel V AMD threads are there going to be? My money's on Transmeta. :wink:

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I have a Prescott here...I use it for benchmarking. Using it full time would overheat my office and run up my electric bill.

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Heh heh. So far my 2.6C has been doing great with its fanless heatsink, and that's while running 2 instances of F@H 24/7 when I'm not gaming. (I think it's when I game that my PC gets a break!)

Hopefully Intel can pull something out of their arse soon, or ... well ... actually, I can't really think of anything bad to follow that up with. :\ (At least not with the way that Intel has been running their business lately.) With a little more $$$, AMD might finally increase their production capacity and start taking a chunk of the SOHO market share. If they did that, they might even do something inventive for a change. That'd be cool.

(Not that AMD sucks, but their R&D's imagination has been pretty lacking IMHO. Intel may suck right now, but at least they try interesting new things every so often.)

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Probably because some manager believes that Scotty still has promise, even though the engineers are all groaning. Of course another good question is why doesn't Intel just face facts and start implementing SOI? Likely an upper management decision...

یί∫υєг ρђœŋίχ <i>The <font color=red><b>Devil</b></font color=red> is in the details.</i>@ 198K of 200K!

I'm pissed. That something was supposed to be cedar mill. On 65 nanos, and better substrata, it was going to bring the TDP way down. So what's the new TDP? 9 watts less. BFD.

No, BF-HSF! :O

But seriously, not only am I not surprised, but actually, I'm kind of impressed. I mean at this point each die shrink is going to make leakage just that much nastier. So for Intel to have tackled their first version of the die shrink, without using SOI, and still manage to drop 10% of the heat? That's actually pretty impressive.

Still, I'd be a hell lot more impressed had they gone back to the Northwood design, reimplemented their new features, the few important fixes, and added their cache to that, used SOI, and released a new Uber-Northwood.<pre><font color=green> ∩_∩ Ω Ω(=¥=)</font color=green> - Cedrik says that you can't have everything.<font color=green>_Ū˘Ū_</font color=green></pre><p> یί∫υєг ρђœŋίχ <i>The <font color=red><b>Devil</b></font color=red> is in the details.</i>@ 198K of 200K!

Still, I'd be a hell lot more impressed had they gone back to the Northwood design, reimplemented their new features, the few important fixes, and added their cache to that, used SOI, and released a new Uber-Northwood.

Almost exactly how I feel, though the cache is part of the problem. I mean even a 25% cpu load can give a 100% cache load. I would want a faster fsb, instead.