canaan wrote:Im leaning towards Troy Loney, tfrizz, or ulf. slappy's rationale for a red to be in on the red vote as a cover is the most viable, second being to off cbear...the spiel of offering to die is just a gameplay move, imo, nothing more.

Doesn't it seem like more than the typical independent gameplay move when coupled with "and by the way, you literally gain nothing from keeping me alive because I can help you when I'm dead?" There's a gameplay move and then there's this, which is basically a full surrender move. I mean, in theory someone could just flat out give up in Cbear's spot, but that seems to defeat the purpose of playing the game.

Troy Loney wrote:he was one of the votes on rylan that made the day one vote close, and the seer went after him on day two before he was killed.

He really came in at an opportune time to swing the vote to Rylan, basically tieing it. Then when that didnt look like it was going to take root he went the route of Kraftster, with the claim of MRandall "knowing something". I didnt care for how it played out.

The timing of his switch to Kraftster is what breaks this reasoning for me. If he was trying to bring Rylan's count closer to obhave's (his vote made it 6-4) then why jump away when it reaches 6-5?

The same goes for ulf. If he was red, why vote for obhave? If was 6 (obhave) to 5 (Rylan) when he voted, so why not vote for Rylan and tie it at 6? It doesn't make sense...

So basically everyone who tried to even the obhave/rylan vote is going with "obhave got killed first last game and that's not fair". Not what I would do if I were blue because I wouldn't try to protect someone like that.

Troy Loney wrote:So basically everyone who tried to even the obhave/rylan vote is going with "obhave got killed first last game and that's not fair". Not what I would do if I were blue because I wouldn't try to protect someone like that.

Troy Loney wrote:So basically everyone who tried to even the obhave/rylan vote is going with "obhave got killed first last game and that's not fair". Not what I would do if I were blue because I wouldn't try to protect someone like that.

Who's everyone, I know that is the Caanan defense.

Ditto for myself and Shaf.And since nobody had any kind of hint that any player was red at that juncture, a vote on one person is as good as the next, unless there's some other outside force. obhave's outside force was she got voted off day 1 last game.

Troy Loney wrote:he was one of the votes on rylan that made the day one vote close, and the seer went after him on day two before he was killed.

He really came in at an opportune time to swing the vote to Rylan, basically tieing it. Then when that didnt look like it was going to take root he went the route of Kraftster, with the claim of MRandall "knowing something". I didnt care for how it played out.

The timing of his switch to Kraftster is what breaks this reasoning for me. If he was trying to bring Rylan's count closer to obhave's (his vote made it 6-4) then why jump away when it reaches 6-5?

The same goes for ulf. If he was red, why vote for obhave? If was 6 (obhave) to 5 (Rylan) when he voted, so why not vote for Rylan and tie it at 6? It doesn't make sense...

This is a pretty good point on canaan. Unfortunate for you, though, because you are probably the next best target. I don't include ulf in the group that slappy laid out earlier, but looking at the vote (I had forgotten that it got to 6-2 in favor of obhave), you almost have to believe that Troy, tfrizz, or LITT is red because at that point it was looking like a runaway and a red would have wanted to buy a defense for later.

Troy Loney wrote:he was one of the votes on rylan that made the day one vote close, and the seer went after him on day two before he was killed.

He really came in at an opportune time to swing the vote to Rylan, basically tieing it. Then when that didnt look like it was going to take root he went the route of Kraftster, with the claim of MRandall "knowing something". I didnt care for how it played out.

The timing of his switch to Kraftster is what breaks this reasoning for me. If he was trying to bring Rylan's count closer to obhave's (his vote made it 6-4) then why jump away when it reaches 6-5?

The same goes for ulf. If he was red, why vote for obhave? If was 6 (obhave) to 5 (Rylan) when he voted, so why not vote for Rylan and tie it at 6? It doesn't make sense...

This is a pretty good point on canaan. Unfortunate for you, though, because you are probably the next best target. I don't include ulf in the group that slappy laid out earlier, but looking at the vote (I had forgotten that it got to 6-2 in favor of obhave), you almost have to believe that Troy, tfrizz, or LITT is red because at that point it was looking like a runaway and a red would have wanted to buy a defense for later.

save canaanlynch tfrizz

That is a good way to look at it. I would like mac to eventually make an appearance. But since it doesn't look like anyone is going to join me on voting one of the rylan voters off,