When someone buys a cpu they are gonna want to OC... why the hell would you get a quad and NOT OC it?? Im pretty sure a 3ghz Phenom beats a 3ghz athlon

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yeah i'm sure it would.. but the new 9500 phenom quad core only operates at 2.2 ghz

so why would you want something that slow?

if you understand how quadcores and true quadcores operate, you know that games aren't utilizing the full potential of the core.

to break it down for you it's like this.

if you had a stack of books and asked 2 kids to move them to the other side of the room, if each kid took 2 books each, and say it takes them 5 minutes to complete the task. It would equal the same time if you asked 4 kids to take 1 book each.

Dual cores actually work your cpu, because before the dual core, single core processors had to simulate real time by dividing the workload of each task in nanoseconds. Like if you were running a virus scan, copying a folder, listening to music, and playing solitare at the same time, the single core would have to work at one task, stop, work at the next task, stop...next task.. and try to simulate real time. Dual cores could split the workload in half by dedicating some of the bus speed to each task at hand. spliting the core into 4 is not improving performance UNLESS you increase the cache size. Much like having a 1000 MHZ FSB is not optimal if your RAM is running at 400mhz.

Thus, Quadcores may be better, faster in the future, however i'm not going to waste money on a quadcore that only runs a 2.2.GHZ - In which the 9500 Phenom operates at.

yeah i'm sure it would.. but the new 9500 phenom quad core only operates at 2.2 ghz

so why would you want something that slow?

if you understand how quadcores and true quadcores operate, you know that games aren't utilizing the full potential of the core.

to break it down for you it's like this.

if you had a stack of books and asked 2 kids to move them to the other side of the room, if each kid took 2 books each, and say it takes them 5 minutes to complete the task. It would equal the same time if you asked 4 kids to take 1 book each.

Dual cores actually work your cpu, because before the dual core, single core processors had to simulate real time by dividing the workload of each task in nanoseconds. Like if you were running a virus scan, copying a folder, listening to music, and playing solitare at the same time, the single core would have to work at one task, stop, work at the next task, stop...next task.. and try to simulate real time. Dual cores could split the workload in half by dedicating some of the bus speed to each task at hand. spliting the core into 4 is not improving performance UNLESS you increase the cache size. Much like having a 1000 MHZ FSB is not optimal if your RAM is running at 400mhz.

Thus, Quadcores may be better, faster in the future, however i'm not going to waste money on a quadcore that only runs a 2.2.GHZ - In which the 9500 Phenom operates at.

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Ok, couple of problems here. First, you are leaving out the L3 cache that Phenoms possess. That's another 2MB of cache. Second, you are leaving out the fact that Phenoms possess twice the L1 cache of the X2. Third, games aren't the only applications. Encode some video, do some heavy photoshopping, some rendering, CAD work, or just really heavy multi-tasking, and you'll quickly change your mind about the benefits of a quad core.

the new 9500 phenom is quad core but only at 2.2 GHZ and the core is 4x 512k cache.

better off getting the 6400 x2 which runs at 3.2 GHZ and has 2x 1024MB cache.

same cache but 1 GHZ slower???

do the math.

your games won't notice the difference between the two caches, and neither will you.

it's just hype dude.

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-_-.....the big difference is there are more cores which can do more work. Second, amd chips use HTT so they only benifit from so much cache. Third, there are architectural differences that make k10 faster clock per clock (even in a single thread) than k8.

Oh and you can't just look at cache to see the difference between cpus. It's also architecture, speed, interface, and other aspects including cache but not limited to cache.