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Re: digico consoles

Digico d5 sound crap. The eq doesn't do what it should, the compressors and fx are cheap rubbish. The A to D is really poor.
Add to that it's a pain in the arse to use, but that may be because you're fighting to make it sound good and it just won't do it.
They're made by Soundtrax who could never make a decent analogue console so why would they make a decent digital. They sound like mp3 through an adat with behringer dynamics and alesis fx.
I don't like digital anyway but at least with a PM5D you have a reasonable basic sound and good quality tools on board. With a soundcraft Vi6 you get their proven track record with mic pre-amps and eq, DBX graphics and lexicon FX.

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Digico consoles are the very standar of clasical music and theatre production, and it is a top console for pop, alternative and rock touring. I've seen Foo Fighters, Bjork, The Killers, Peter Gabriel, U2 using Digico.

You could say you don't like it, or you prefere other, but there's no way you can say it sounds bad.

And for WW to know, the main difference between live consoles preamps is THD+3 and dynamic range.

And it is really hard to say A-D are crap.

So, could anybody say that major touring bands are wrong using Digico so easily?

Re: digico consoles

Digico consoles are the very standar of clasical music and theatre production, and it is a top console for pop, alternative and rock touring. I've seen Foo Fighters, Bjork, The Killers, Peter Gabriel, U2 using Digico.

You could say you don't like it, or you prefere other, but there's no way you can say it sounds bad.

And for WW to know, the main difference between live consoles preamps is THD+3 and dynamic range.

And it is really hard to say A-D are crap.

So, could anybody say that major touring bands are wrong using Digico so easily?

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Point taken, however, it may well be that they were using the Digico because it was a festival and that was what was provided?

Most top bands have show files for Digidesign, Yamaha, Digico and as has been stated here and in many other forums any decent engineer can get a great sound on any of these desks. Then you start comming down to personal preferences, mine is for the Dshow as it is the one I know the best, I also own it and I like the fact that it's an all in one solution with good enough effects to pull off the show without resorting to racks of outboard.

My experience with the Digico's is more limited, however, I've been able to mix good show's on them, hate the effects, IMHO Alesis Midiverb level, (the inclusion of the Waves effects engine demonstrates that they are aware this has been a problem for them). Yamaha's, always a standby, for me they don't set the world alight, but the effects are useable and they get the job done.

I'd love to really like the Midas, however, it's inclusion of only one band of EQ control available at a time is in my personal view a terrible ergonomic decision.

Most top bands have show files for Digidesign, Yamaha, Digico and as has been stated here and in many other forums any decent engineer can get a great sound on any of these desks. .

Actually, don't; Top bands prepare so hard and spend time and money for their shows they only use the gear they work with. Also, when you are touring you don't have much time for doing a new sound chek.

My experience with the Digico's is more limited, however, I've been able to mix good show's on them, hate the effects, IMHO Alesis Midiverb level, (the inclusion of the Waves effects engine demonstrates that they are aware this has been a problem for them).

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Just finished an install at a new 700-seat roadhouse venue where they went with a digico SD9 package.

I haven't driven the thing for a show, but just in the little playing that I did do, I'm impressed with the overall "sound" of the desk.

I'm not a huge fan of the touchscreen interface, but thankfully there are one-touch methods to eliminate the need to do everything on the touchscreen. The touchscreen also has been tuned so that you need a definitive touch to activate any menu. A blessing and a curse. It keeps random windows from popping up if you accidentally lay your hand near the screen. But it also means that to activate any window, you need a fairly firm press...meaning that if you're rushing, it may not catch your first press. Again, not having driven the desk in a show situation, I'm not sure if this is actually an issue or not...

My last reservation despite all the good things is that its windows based. For lots of technical reasons, I've never fully trusted devices that use the real-time windows implementations. Despite that, I have USED many devices that are, but always have a sense of fear in the back of my mind.

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I for one dislike the waves bundle for live. I end up dialling in parameters that aren't necessary which causes me to neglect what I'm doing there which is mixing the show!!! Don't get me started on the mouse.

I'm with Jason on this

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