Women Understand the Concept of Hand

When privy to the secretive, gated world of women, you learn that the idea of relationship leverage — aka “having hand” — is as well-known and accepted among women as it is among pickup artists and naturals. Women are no innocent angels, passively idling their time like pretty mannequins until a good man sweeps them off their feet. Oh no, they are as devious as any hardcore male player with hundreds of notches. The difference is that women channel their deviousness into screening for alpha males and steering relationships in the direction (marriage) they want them to go in. Your average beta male channels his manipulative tactics — or what passes for them — into impressing girls on the first few dates. After that, he’s on auto-pilot. Against the combined relationship management weaponry of your typical woman, the beta male stands no chance.

Having hand is, in fact, so central to women’s interests, that when god created woman, he said “Let there be hand!” And there was. I swear, it’s in the Bible.

Case in point. I was chatting with a girl who was working the angle with some putatively high value guy she likes, but with whom (according to her) she had not yet banged, or even formally dated. They had met at a party, and it had been all texting since then.

So she was showing me text messages that she exchanged with him earlier in the day, hoping for my advice. The text ratio was 4:1 against her favor (i.e., she sent four to every one of his). She thought it would be a good idea to sext him — send him racy sexual texts — and she later admitted that the reason for the sexts was to “get hand” over him by teasing him about what he was missing, and getting him to dance to her tune. Apparently, she has a history of cockteasing beta males into lavishing attention and glorious pursuit on her.

I read one of her sext exchanges.

HER: well we will c what is waiting for us next time. could b good. im wearing those kneehighs u said u liked.

[ten minutes later, after no immediate response]

HER: and fyi, i might be a voyeur. but dont get any ideas.

[twenty minutes later, after no reply]

HER: sorry if im teasing u. im a flirty girl.

[two hours passed]

HIM: Okay!

And he never responded again that night.

That, my friends, is a pure alpha move. She dropped the stinky, sweaty, sexy beta bait in the form of sexts, hoping he’d bite (which is something most men would do), and instead he returned fire with a hilariously ambiguous (and glibly spelled-out) “Okay!”. What’s a girl to make of this? Well, everything. And nothing. And then everything again. That one word text sent her hamster spinning so fast its fur was flying out in tufts. Naturally, she wanted to know my opinion.

“Where should I go with this? What does it mean?”

“It means he’s dating other women and isn’t desperate for sex, so you can’t use that on him. Or he knows how to play the game.”

“But I wasn’t playing a game!”

“Yes you were. You just don’t realize it.”

“So now what?”

“You’re texting him way too much. Every text you send him that he doesn’t reply to makes him think less of you. Stand down. No man who writes ‘okay’ deserves your reply. No more texting, even if it means you never see him again.”

“That’s going to be tough to do. We really hit it off.”

“Sounds like you hit it off with a player!”

“You think he’s a player? Sheesh, yeah, he probably is.”

“Yup. Trust me on this. Stop contacting him from here on out. Then there’s a good chance he’ll reach out to you. If that happens, you’re back in the driver’s seat. You’re back to having hand.”

“Oh, yes, every woman wants to have hand!”

“You bet.”

[lingering high five]

***

Women are quite well aware of the power of having hand, and just about everything a woman does in a dating or relationship context that you suspect is a tactic designed to give her hand, IS a tactic to give her hand, whether intentional or subconsciously coincidental. The good news for my super manly male readers is that men’s hand is FAR MORE DEVASTATING than women’s hand, because men so rarely use, or even comprehend, the concept of having hand. So when a man flips the seduction script and uses the same hand-getting tactics on women, the surprising force of it hits a woman’s ego, superego and id so hard her vagina blossoms like a field of spring tulips after a rainstorm.

I don’t know if my female friend above eventually sealed the deal with her lust interest, but I can tell you with certainty that had he wanted to, Mr. ‘Okay!’ could have easily sealed the deal with her. And at his leisure, on his time, under his discretion. Because his pimp hand was strong. And one strong pimp hand trumps a hundred daintier ho hands.

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That would make a great fucking ad, wouldn’t it? Girl hanging out with her girlfriends tells them “I’m going out with this guy tonight, but I think he might be a loser.” She sends a text “What time is the play?” Cut to: guy dweebishly getting over excited he got the text. He tries to respond. No reception. He freaks out, thinking he’s ruining it. Her: “What time are you picking me up?” She’s visibly annoyed. Her: “Hello? Are you there?” Guy: at his phone, still no reception. She turns to her friends. “I was wrong. This guy is definitely a stud.”

Haha that’s pretty funny, but a mainstream commercial will never depict reality. If they did, there would be far less men who are brainwashed into being a white knight, and this blog would not exist. Instead what would happen is an AT&T commercial would show how that beta male with Verizon lost the girl for not being attentive, while some other guy gets her for having AT&T and responding right away.

From my experiences, when foreign when start with the sex talk, it’s about actually wanting to bed you instead of having to do with “power” or “control” or any of those other uniquely ugly things American women are all about.

The only chicks who blatantly sext guys they haven’t fucked are either very young and/or down to fuck.

I assume she’s not 12, so this chick was DTF. Chicks who are not DTF don’t tease blatantly & will text a different game like, “I’ll text you if I can make it tonight” etc.

The game playing was merely her attempt to reset her value, relatively to his, and rope him into a relationship. Her hamster recognized the alpha’s higher value, and tried to match or increase her value over his by employing the weapon that works on most guys: sex.

This concept of Value Equilibration unlies every male-female interaction in the mating game and explains why betas throw resources at chicks and why chicks throw sex at alphas. One party recognizes the higher value of the other party and tries to offer things of perceived value in order to reestablish a value equilibrium.

“So when a man flips the seduction script and uses the same hand-getting tactics on women, the surprising force of it hits a woman’s ego, superego and id so hard her vagina blossoms like a field of spring tulips after a rainstorm.”

This one beautifully poetic phrase should be engraved in the forehead of every young dude, backwards, so he can see it in the mirror every morning and remind himself of the perils of being mesmerized by the mere presence of boobs.

“She dropped the stinky, sweaty, sexy beta bait in the form of sexts, hoping he’d bite (which is something most men would do),”

One of great achievements of PUA community was identifying these girl baits, really false screens to screen out who is Alpha and who is not, and also to SET FRAMES designed to give her HAND over you permanently, as long as relationship lasts

2. Physically she puts her hands all over on you as soon as you meet (the goal here is to find out how desperate you are. Mystery’s proper response: ‘Whoa, hands off the merchandise, this shit ain’t free)

3. The “coy, aloof, mysterious” act – She gives you minimal talk, and you feel the ball is totally in your court. You feel pressure to start talking and somehow ‘impress’ her, otherwise she’s going to be her flighty ingenue self and float away to be won by another guy

4. The “jealous ex” restraining order routine, – “Did I ever tell you about my jealous, possessive ex that I considered/had to get a restraining order against him?” Goal: to somehow plant the frame that you have just met a of special snowflake irresistable sex goddess to men… and aren’t you lucky

5. The “I have a million guy friends” routine – corrolary to the jealous ex act, where she tells you how she’s best friends with the whole police department/ football team / fraternity. The temptation is for you to permanently start wondering what exactly she’s doing when she’s not around

6. “We’re not going to have sex tonight” — Setting up from the beginning that she is prize and you are not

7. “I have a boyfriend” — the classic. The high status guy won’t even address it, but such alphas are few and far between. Start questioning about this, and she knows you’re a chump. Next.

8. The Alpha Daddy /Pampered Princess Routine: She rattles off her pedigree / comfortable upbringing / alpha father’s accomplishments… with the implicit question: Do you, eager suitor, really have what it takes to be in MY league?

“7. “I have a boyfriend” — the classic. The high status guy won’t even address it, but such alphas are few and far between. Start questioning about this, and she knows you’re a chump. Next.”

One time at a club I was chatting with some girl. Flirting a bit as usual, but not really interested in getting anywhere with her. At one point she says “I have a boyfriend”. Without skipping a beat — literally I wasn’t even thinking at this point — I immediately responded “pfft, no you don’t”. She kinda looked down and away and said “…yeah, you’re right”.

I never get the “I have a boyfriend” shit test so I can’t even say if this is an effective brush off of that sort of comment. Just an anecdote for your general consumption; use at your own discretion.

Now, me and my friends have a thing where if one of us loses a bet or game of foosball, they have to open whatever set any other guy points out for the rest of the night. We call it that too, “open that set.” It’s closing time in this bar, and there’s one last cute blonde with her tall friend talking to some tall, bearded motherfucker.

Tyler and I chat for a second before I say, Tyler, that is the last hot girl in the whole place. Go open that set.

I will never forget what he did next.

He turned around, looked the girl in the eye and just held out his hand.

And she took it. She giggled a little bit first and demured, but he held his frame and she took his hand.

He pulls her in, bearded mofo fades away instantly, and within two minutes not only is the girl hanging off him but her friend is laughing and touching him all over.

That fucking hand is the most magical thing I’ve seen in my life. I drop that thing everywhere I go now. Super hot babe in a packed bar, swarmed by uglier friends and guys buzzing by trying to get her attention? Turn, hold out the hand, wait till she takes it and now she’s dancing in your arms thinking “who is this cocky motherfucker.”

Try it. Do it. Even the ones that resist, you can watch them squirm and see how hard it is for them to say no. Most comply, you’ve skipped the stupid “open” step and it’s on.

The ultimate opener has been discovered. Take this power. It’s yours now.

Women are creatures of habit just like most men. I used to run a gag on several women in my office when I worked in Manhattan. If they were in another cubicle and I couldn’t see them, or if on the phone, I’d suddenly blurt out in the middle of a sentence, “Wow, that’s a nice outfit you’ve got on today!” or “Hey, I really like what you’ve done with your hair.”

Now, we can’t see each other, but instantly, they will say, “Thank you.” Little girls are taught by age 11 to thank everyone that says they are wearing a pretty dress. They spend their lives doing this, until it’s left on autopilot.

I don’t know if this counts as a neg, but everyone always laughs at a woman who thanks a man that compliments her when everyone knows he can’t even fucking see her.

That always made me crack up how consistently they fell for that. Exploiting the conventions of social courtesy and manners is a great way to leverage.

I’ve noticed something like this too. I was at the mall last year and I was goofing off with some friends, when I suddenly got the idea to give high fives to girls. I was like “hi five!” and she did it. “hi five!” another girl did it. “hi five!” another, and another, and another.

the last one, the most attractive one yet, held out a little, but I pressed on “hi five! hi five! hi five!” I looked her straight in the eye, she relaxed her face, released a smile, and gave me a hi five.

“yessss!”

I should do more handshakes and hi fives from now on. I usually do, but this post makes me realize the patterns I’ve seen over the years.

There is. But you’d have to read a lot of old school PUA teaching to fully understand why it works and it’s not really important to understand it in depth.

Consider it basically a combo of “assume a positive response”, frame control (“nothing weird just happened what are you talking about?”), and triggering pre-programmed responses (same as if you hold a glass up and say “cheers!” to pretty much anyone they’ll clink their glass, it’s just a pre-programmed response).

I say offensive stuff all the time on purpose just to push the limits. People around me gasp and girls will raise an eyebrow but then I just stick my hand out for a handshake like whatever I said is totally normal and they mentally glitch and fall into handshake/introduction mode and completely forget what just happened.

There were some good videos of a guy named Darren Brown who used mental glitches in people to do stuff like get them to give him their wallet then forget they gave it to him etc. I think it’s all connected with NLP concepts but the whole NLP thing is pretty creepy to me. It’s interesting and trippy to see it in action but I wouldn’t want to go around doing it to everyone. I look at it as an emergency parachute to get out of sticky situations, vs something to wield around 24/7 in every interaction.

Extend hand game… I’ve tried this in another context…If I want to ask a girl to dance, walk over to her, look at her. If she doesn’t move, raise your eyebrow and cock your head. Immediately she gets up.

I totally agree. It’s almost what I’m currently experiencing. A guy most girls would find attractive (especially after he starts speaking, which is, as far as I can judge, prerequisite to real alphaness) started to show much more interest in me after I, tired after writing him another novel likely to be left without an answer, had restricted the number of messages I send him to 2 or 3 per month and tried to reverse the PM ratio in my favour (which is, given my garrulousness, is already a challenge). Dude, I apparently need an appointment with you to get some more advice and words of wisdom. Still astonished to discover how much of what you write here is true – even though there are some points I just can’t agree with (bear in mind, however, that no one’s perfect and we all are more or less prone to mistakes).

“…HER: well we will c what is waiting for us next time. could b good. im wearing those kneehighs u said u liked.
[ten minutes later, after no immediate response]
HER: and fyi, i might be a voyeur. but dont get any ideas.
[twenty minutes later, after no reply]
HER: sorry if im teasing u. im a flirty girl.
[two hours passed]
HIM: Okay!…”

I’m admiring and appreciating this work of art as I would the finest Goya or Titian.

You’re not high value enough to them. Usually this is a result of too much push and not enough pull, or simply pushing too fast or too much compared to your value level. The higher value you are to her, the more you can push (like the “Okay!” guy or an abusive guy to a girl with a daddy complex who can run “quit bothering me, fuck off” game and have the girl chase him).

If you tease a girl with a push like “we are NOT sleeping together tonight ;)” and she responds like “okay. (shrug)” you pushed before you had enough value to push.

You can’t be Alpha all the time. Aloofness is like catnip, but cats eventually tire of the stuff. Eventually make a time to meet up (out of the blue is best), wow her with the date (e.g., home-cooked dinner with wine, seeing a movie she wants to see (Hunger Games?), taking a walk in the park), and show that you’re interested by genuinely being nice and attentively listening: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/01/24/cold-reading-is-a-potent-seduction-tactic/

Then when it’s time for coitus, get up from your chair (assuming you’re home) and offer your hand whilst not uttering a word. Take her hand and walk towards the bedroom, again without uttering a word. You just went from down-to-earth guy wanting to get to know her to I-don’t-give-a-fuck Alpha. I’ve done this a lot and it works everytime. Never forget the push-pull.

Try to not get distracted by the content (i.e., the words themselves) of the text exchange (which is a tall order, indeed, considering their laconic brilliance). Rather, work to recognize the underlying principles at work.

Don’t give up– doing things wrong is an integral part of your training.

I ran into a girl I’ve been gaming for several months last night after a text exchange where we were going to meet up Saturday but she was working or going out of town. The exchange was short.

When we ran into each other by accident Friday, she was basically all over me.

One of the most interesting things she said to me was when we last met up for drinks a few weeks ago, I gamed her, teased her, listened to her, then got up and left after she offered to pay for drinks.

I forgot about this as I had somewhere else to go.

She brought this up last night saying “Last time we me up I turned around and you were gone. I had something important to say to you.

Me: If it was so important you would have chased after me.

Her: Laughing, no it was important, you always leave so quickly.

Me: I had to make sure you paid for those drinks…

This type of banter while writing it out sounds like it’s out of a 30’s romantic comedy. But she couldn’t wait to meet up next week.

Damn, I thought I was sort of high value but my stalkers and gf’s never send me texts like that. Maybe the corporate deathburger isn’t the way to a woman’s heart. Or I never noticed…hmm, some girls did just happen to share boudoir photos with me, or tell me “I’m trying on sexy stuff” which at the time I beta jumped at but otherwise, I guess I need to do better.

This is old school advice, the toughest to do in some cases, but it is so powerful. And it WILL work if there is anything there.

For example, I knew a guy in college whose high school sweetheart broke up with him his sophomore year.

She was at another college – and she wanted to see other guys. She gave him the talk.

From that day forward, he never contacted her once. To try to get over her, he hooked up left and right, but even that isn’t enough of a distraction the first few months. A few times I remember him being wasted at 2 am after the bar closed, hovering around the phone in his dorm room. But he never picked up.

1 year later, she called.

Today they’re married

[heartiste: yes, total radio silence will often do the trick, but then this guy has to ask himself “how many dudes did my wife fuck during her yearlong sabbangital?” and then he has to ask himself “do i feel special, punk? well, do i?”]

That’s teaching women to play coy, and by “The Rules”. I’m not sure if that’s productive.
If they get the “hand’ in the relationshhip, this relationship is doomed to failure. The ethical way to treat a woman is to torture her hamster to near exhaustion. When a woman tames her hamster, she loses a part of her femininity, and toughens the weak spots that are gonna make her submit to her man.

Let’s assume a miracle happens and a woman on this board follows your advice to the letter, she will most likely catch the obama kind of guy who gets an erection when the woman is a challenge. He will quickly be impressed by her strong empowered personality and start submitting to her whims and let her be in charge.
It’s a lose-lose situation. A tamed husband is a beta. And beta means no tingles.

Alphas are attracted to personality indicators of faithfulness. I’m not sure if playing hard to get is the optimal strategy for a female. Being sweet, supportive and emotionally stable are more efficient to get a strong masculine guy to commit.

Nope. The alpha mating strategy is specifically aimed at focusing effort on women with a strong potential for UNfaithfulness. As Roosh always advices; if she’s too much of a hassle, just move on to easier prey.

[heartiste: that’s a legit point, with a major qualification. alphas who love the sexytime will indeed focus on girls who look more likely to put out (i’ve done the same — 3 date rule and all that), but when the time(s) comes to settle down, or screen for a potential girlfriend, signs of easiness or sluttiness will work against a girl’s chances. it’s a bit of a tightrope that girls have to walk, but them’s the breaks. no one said life was fair.]

I was making out with a little itallian girl a 10 about a year ago. I know about game and all that for years now but she kept telling me to “take charge.” So I pulled her hair and spanked but she kept on. I just stopped. She ran off. Those words haunt me.

Coyness can be seen as the process by which women gain and maintain hand, to keep you chasing.

Relatedly, you can also get girls who will purposefully take time before texting you back. I’ve had it happen before (3 times) where the girls actually admitted to me it was a strategy on their part, in an attempt to seem less interested and not needy, and to not let me think I had “won yet”. Women very much understand the concept of hand.

It’s in their wiring.

Though, as reactions to you and Rollo show, they are loathe to actually have it pointed out.

Theres an inidian girl im gaming. Couple of questions i have. We met, hit it off, got the number. We’ve been texting for a few weeks. I’ve made at least three attempts to have her come meet up with me for a 1st date (obviously not phrasing it that way)…she maneuvers around my suggestions each time, and counters by saying I should come see her at her restaurant again. I met her while she was working in this random restaurant i had lunch at.

Question is, she’s balking at coming to hang out outside her comfort zone, which leads me to assume 1 of 2 things.

1.) Attention whore, milking the interaction for validation.

2.) She needs more comfort, seeing me again in person before taking the leap to drive down for a date.

*She is Indian, and their culture seems to be a bit more conservative…she doesnt drink, and told me its illegal for women to in her culture (yikes). So keep that in mind.

Any advice? I sorta feel like i’m being played… but her different culture causes me to question my own conclusions.

Go to her restaurant with some friends (guys girls doesn’t matter). She probably needs comfort cause of her culture. Going with friends is a way of appeasing her needs without supplicating because you’re not there JUST to see her. Shoot the shit, build a little more comfort but don’t push for a meet-up, just bail after you guys are done eating. Wait a day or whatever and get the txt convo going (joke that her food gave you food poisoning lol) then push for a meet-up again.

…. she maneuvers around my suggestions each time, and counters by saying I should come see her at her restaurant again …….

Maneuvering and countering your moves three times tells me she is gaming you, either for validation or to gain hand at the restaurant where she works (maybe she gets a cut or she is in some way related to the owners) or both. If you feel like you are being played, then you probably picked up something in her attitude.

She will lower her marriage value in her community if she is known to drink. She may drink among close friends/family but will not let it be known.

Disagree. Most guys don’t study pick-up, and most girls do study “The Rules” or some variation of that book. It is mostly entirely conscious on our part, the idea of “hand.” Girls are brought up to believe men only want sex and thus have to play the game to keep a man interested, because once he fucks her, he’ll lose interest. PUA is underground, whereas every relationship section of every bookstore in existence is female-oriented, filled with books telling them to play hard to get. “The Rules”, “Why Men Love Bitches”, and books by Steve Harvey all basically say the same thing – that a man values a woman who makes him wait for sex. We have no idea these actions backfire with you players and make us look “bitchy.”

[heartiste: i don’t really buy this cultural conditioning argument. it’s more likely all the relationship books that women read are simply regurgitated reflections of their innate biological drives, feeding them information they already feel on a visceral subconscious level. women are naturally attuned to gaining and keeping hand in LTRs because it is more important to women, from an evolutionary view, to secure the best possible mate and extract his resources as long as it takes to nurture children to self-sustaining adulthood. this means women have to be good at screening out betas early on (shit tests) and enticing alphas into commitment (coyness, hand).]

Or it could be that some women are simply control freaks. If wanting LTR hand were innate for all women, why would such titles sell so many millions of copies as if their contents were at all revelatory? Either some kind of confirmation bias was at work (in which case the same logic could be applied to players and game material – both advocate emotional manipulation and domination over the other, emotionally dumber sex) or the tactics actually work to help women readers prone to acting needy and “beta” in their relationships to stop.

YaReally says “most girls” seek the upper hand subconsciously, but most girls are not 8+’s and know that some strategizing is in order to hold onto their mates. A girl’s perception of her own lower value may cause her to play subtle mind games – pretend to have less time for the guy, not return texts, etc. If she cares enough about him to do these things, he’s already alpha in her mind. Why would she enter an LTR with someone she saw as beta in the first place?

I responded to a surprisingly well-written post on a dating site. She’s mid-thirties; I’m mid-fifties. We’ve exchanged a few texts; my last was “We should meet; how about Thursday night at time / place.” Her reply: Well, my weekdays are busy with the kids but my weekends are free. She didn’t make a counteroffer of time / place.

Well, first off now I know she’s a single mom with kids at home, so my interest has waned considerably. Second, her emails aren’t of near the quality of her original post, so I may search around and see if she “borrowed” it. I hadn’t replied yet; it’s been a day and a half.

Thanks to this post and thread, my reply (as of a few minutes ago) was

It has been hypothesized that female orgasm evolved to facilitate recruitment of high-quality genes for offspring. Supporting evidence indicates that female orgasm promotes conception, although this may be mediated by the timing of female orgasm in relation to male ejaculation. This hypothesis also predicts that women will achieve orgasm more frequently when copulating with high-quality males, but limited data exist to support this prediction. We therefore explored relationships between the timing and frequency of women’s orgasms and putative markers of the genetic quality of their mates, including measures of attractiveness, facial symmetry, dominance, and masculinity. We found that women reported more frequent and earlier-timed orgasms when mated to masculine and dominant men—those with high scores on a principal component characterized by high objectively-measured facial masculinity, observer-rated facial masculinity, partner-rated masculinity, and partner-rated dominance. Women reported more frequent orgasm during or after male ejaculation when mated to attractive men—those with high scores on a principal component characterized by high observer-rated and self-rated attractiveness. Putative measures of men’s genetic quality did not predict their mates’ orgasms from self-masturbation or from non-coital partnered sexual behavior. Overall, these results appear to support a role for female orgasm in sire choice.

I’m sure there is something a masculine man can do to have beautiful daughters.

Let’s assume a super masculine muscular square jawed alpha gets married (big time chump) and he gets lucky and has two handsome sons. Now he wants a daughter.
Then he stumbles upon your comment and he now knows he’s too testosteroney to have a daughter, and his spermatozoids on steroids will fuck up his daughter’s future prospects.

His only chance is to get fat. He better get some oestrogen-filled jiggling manboobs in order to counterbalance his god-given genetics.
At worst, he will have a slightly less masculine son.

I’m sure I’m onto something here. On the other hand, If you only care about having a son, hit the gym hard, raise your T-levels, juice it up… You will get fucked if you have a daughter but you can’t get an omelette without breaking eggs.

Can someone tell me if I’m onto something, or just how exactly stupid I am?

Individual differences in women’s facial preferences as a function of digit ratio and mental rotation ability

“The results indicated that (a) femininity scores decreased with decreasing 2D:4D, (b) masculinity scores increased with faster MR, (c) women preferred a more masculine male face for an STM than for an LTM, and (d) preference changes over the menstrual cycle varied systematically with 2D:4D. When compared with women with high 2D:4D ratios, low 2D:4D women (e) preferred a more masculine LTM, (f) recalled less parental bonding, (g) had shorter intimate relationships, and (h) reported more menstrual irregularity. The results are interpreted as support for an interactive hormonal theory of physical attraction.”

“Women vary with respect to monogamous/polyandrous inclinations, as indexed by the Sociosexual Orientation Inventory (SOI). Possible sources of SOI variation include variation in perceptions relating to the utility of different mating tactics and variation in one’s degree of masculinity/femininity, among other things. In three studies with undergraduate participants SOI, an index of self-perceived attractiveness and two measures of masculinization, namely scores on the Vandenberg Mental Rotation test (V-MRT) and 2D:4D digit ratios, were measured. Self-perceived attractiveness predicted SOI in the first study, but not in the second study. Right 2D:4D did predict SOI in the second study. In the third study, both self-perceived attractiveness and right 2D:4D predicted SOI, and so did V-MRT scores. However, the strongest single predictor of SOI in Study 3 was the reported amount spent on alcohol during the average month (LoL) ”

“We recruited two groups of women who differed in their number of lifetime sex partners in order to investigate several hypotheses related to female sociosexuality. Specifically, we explored whether women who engage in casual sex have low mate value, are especially likely to have come from stressful family environments, or are masculine in other respects besides their interest in casual sex. Women with many partners were not lower than other women on direct or indirect indicators of mate value. Nor were they more likely to recall adverse family environments during childhood. On several measures related to masculinity, women with many sex partners were elevated compared with other women.”

Fertility in the cycle predicts women’s interest in sexual opportunism

“Research over the past decade has documented clear, robust changes in women’s sexual preferences and interests across the ovarian cycle. When fertile, women are particularly attracted to a number of masculine male features (e.g., masculine faces, voices, scents and bodies) and other traits, and especially when they evaluate men’s “sexiness” rather than their attractiveness as long-term partners. The current research extended this line of research by examining changes in women’s self-reported sexual interests across the cycle. We asked 68 normally ovulating women in committed romantic relationships to fill out questionnaires about their sexual preferences and interests (at that time, not in general) twice across their cycles: once when fertile and once during the luteal phase. Relative to during the luteal phase, fertile women expressed (a) greater emphasis on the physical attractiveness of a partner; (b) greater arousal at the sight or thought of attractive male bodily features; (c) greater willingness to engage in and interest in sex with attractive men, even ones who they do not know well (interest in sexual opportunism). These findings importantly extend our understanding of women’s fertile-phase sexuality.”

“Many studies have demonstrated that women express stronger attraction to androgen-related traits when tested near ovulation than when tested at other times in the cycle. Much less research, however, has directly addressed which hormonal or other physiological signals may regulate these temporal shifts in women’s attractiveness judgments. In the present study, we measured women’s preferences for facial cues of men’s testosterone concentrations on two occasions spaced two weeks apart, while also measuring women’s salivary estradiol and testosterone concentrations at each testing session. Changes in women’s estradiol concentrations across sessions positively predicted changes in their preferences for facial cues of high testosterone; there was no such effect for changes in women’s testosterone concentrations. For the subset of women who had a testing session fall within the estimated fertile window, preferences for high testosterone faces were stronger in the fertile window session, and change in estradiol from outside to inside the fertile window positively predicted the magnitude of the ovulatory preference shift. These patterns were not replicated when testing preferences for faces that were rated as high in masculinity, suggesting that facial cues of high testosterone can be distinguished from the cues used to subjectively judge facial masculinity. Our findings suggest that women’s estradiol promotes attraction to androgen-dependent cues in men (similar to its effects in females of various nonhuman species), and support a role for this hormone as a physiological regulator of cycle phase shifts in mating psychology.” (But, but, but, attraction is just a social construct!!!!)

“Consistent with this, two experiments demonstrated that people prefer partners who are extremely kind and trustworthy when considering behaviors directed toward themselves or their friends/family, but shift their preferences to much lower levels of these traits when considering behaviors directed toward other classes of individuals. In addition, both sexes preferred partners who direct higher levels of dominance toward members of the partner’s own sex than toward any other behavioral target category, with women preferring levels of dominance toward other men as high as — or higher than — levels of kindness and trustworthiness. When asked to rate traits for which the behavioral target was left unspecified, furthermore, preferences were very similar to self-directed preferences, suggesting that previous trait-rating studies have not measured preferences for partners’ behaviors directed toward people other than oneself. These findings may provide a basic contribution to the mate preference literature via their demonstration that ideal standards for romantic partners are importantly qualified by the targets of behavioral acts.”

(So whenever a feminist tries to argue against women wanting alpha/dominant men by referring to studies where both women and men show preferences for kind men, throw this study in their face. Also can be used to argue against feminists who say that there is no difference in men and women’s attraction to kindness in their partners.)

When I ignore a girl after a few days, she starts acting really bitchy, and then clingy, saying things like “If you don’t want to see me just tell me. You can tell me, its cool”. Any ideas of a response?

I said just, “Nah, you’re cool”. But then she just started acting awkward.

Of course everyone here has seen the Huffington Post article by the 34 year old Natasha Scripture in New York who can’t find a good man (while trashing a 51 year old she was set up on a date with by a matchmaker for having had a slight speech impediment, for wearing bell bottom jeans on the date and for having a career as only a science textbook writer).

A lot of manosphere denizens are in the comment section which is already close to 1600 comments.

From the XV. Maintain your state control commandment: “You are an oak tree. You will not be manipulated by crying, yelling, lying, head games, sexual withdrawal, jealousy ploys, pity plays, shit tests, hot/cold/hot/cold, disappearing acts, or guilt trips.”

You were right /r9k/, i always thought it was not true.
I had some faith in women, until now.
So i knew this girl (very cute) for 2 years, i was friendzoned for like 1 and a half.
I read on here that woman only care for money and power.
Just the other day i decided to prove you guys wrong, i told this girl that i have been friendzoned by that i just got a large in heritance ( i don’t).
Yesterday, she was acting very strange and telling me that she likes me more than a friend and that her feelings had grew from our friendship. One thing led to another we got drunk and had sex ( i was not a virgin but i do not have experience so i know i was bad).
Today in the morning she was very happy to see me telling me that it was one of the most fun nights she ever had.
So i told her that i did not have an inheritance at all, she went crazy. She literally started to scream and was angrier than i ever seen her before.
She was blaming me and told me that i was leading her on (what) and she threatened to say i raped her to everyone.
So /r9k/ fuck you, you were right. I feel like complete shit since i never expected her to do something like this of all people. She is cute and generally shy, so today out friendship ended.

I love how they’re all about sisterhood and solidarity until they want to use rape accusations as a weapon against some guy. Fuck all those *actual* rape victims as they sit in the emergency room bleeding and sobbing! Look at MEEEEEEEEE!

The “gold digger” may have genuinely become sexually interested in him because of his money. As in, panty wet interested.

Men view money as distinct from personality. Women view money as a trait of the whole man.

Now I know that a lot of men are very precise in their demand that a woman love him for the “real me”. The news is that women don’t love in the same way that men do. Don’t project your masculine notions of intimacy onto females. Men are not more attracted to rich women, and so must strain to imagine that wealth can be felt to be a personality trait. To see women clearly requires a leap out from male solipsism. Females don’t untangle your finances from your deep personal essence, and love your ineffable wonder. They see a whole picture. If you’ve worked on your whole picture, you will still be lovable without cash. But cash is always additive.

The gold digger wasn’t only after your cash. She was more interested in you – but only if you had cash.

Women – difficult to understand, because really, who would want to understand? At first they seem quite vile. After disillusionment comes being jaded, and after that you just see them dispassionately as they are.

I’ve written before that “False rape claims are common because of women’s primal instinct to demand provisioning”

False rape allegations are a good example of women using the law to help gain hand as a group over men.

You might argue that the tactic is merely pathological. However underlying the seeming pathology is a common strategy. Keep men afraid of the wrath of the spurned woman.

The “you break it, you buy it” attitude towards vagina is a female centric notion that is instinctive. Just as a newborn butterfly can instinctively migrate to a single tree thousands of miles away, women instinctively know that men must be forced, by any and all means necessary, into a “you break it you’ve bought it” mentality. Provisioning is the instinctive cost of pussy.

False rape accusations are just one extreme way to enforce this policy. “He didn’t call me afer. Rape!”

Another common motivation is to claim rape in order to re-establish good girl cred and get back into the worthy-of-being-provisioned category. I didn’t gang bang the hockey team because I’m a slut, it was rape!

And now we see this “you were leading me on with misrepresentation” false rape claim. Women demand compensation for pussy – if they don’t get it, it’s rape.

or I say it like this, females have been wargaming various social, sexual, group, dating dynamic scenarios since before they could talk. Like imagine suzy and jenny in first grade going over how to manipulate tom into giving them his kit-kat bar while figuring how much they can get away with by crying to not have to do homework. They’ve already played out the game in their head and you, as a guy, can’t compete with their database of what is or isn’t acceptable. Oh, they understand hand.

oh yeah, and male hand is quite devastating to girls because you see what they do to get a guy they like. Whether it’s a young hottie sending sexts to Chris Pine or an old cougar making a fool of herself to get face time on a reality dating show. The flip side of the battle of the sexes is that girls don’t have that much good experience or tools to get guys aside from just showing up. What works on betas, just showing up and showing interest, doesn’t work on mr. alpha (or mr. I think you’re not attractive, buh bye).

What’s funny about things like that is the girl will always say ‘it’s not that you don’t have the inheritance, it’s that you lied’. Which we know is BS b/c if you had lied about some other sort of thing that was roughly SMV-neutral (‘hey, did you know my cousin has 90 pairs of shoes’) she would not care when you revealed the lie.

“Actually the inheritance was real. I claimed it was fake to smoke out whether you were a golddigger. Bye.”

She will likely smell that it’s a lie you are telling in hopes of getting a 2nd lay, so you must maintain the frame of ‘b/c you revealed your true colors, I do NOT want you again.’ If possible, have another, hotter girl she knows about.

Which should be genuinely true, since it’s not worth the risk of a FRA. If you do sleep with her again, I would suggest making a video or recording of her begging you for sex (and then getting it or going down on you). This serves several purposes:

1. Deters FRA
2. She will be reluctant to publicly badmouth or betray you lest you publicly share the sex video
3. It’s a very dominant frame

Near the end, the final climactic scene where Draper’s new wife, the French-Canadian hottie who works for him leaves work early upset that over the weekend, Don had told her he didn’t like her surprise party.

He leaves work to follow up on her and when her arrives, she’s home, in her lingiere cleaning the house.

She’s pissed and the scene is filled with sexual tension.

She starts cleaning up by getting on her hands and knees and wiggling her ass provocatively at him.

When he responds and tries mounting her like a chimp, she shakes him off.

She calls him “old” and says he probably couldn’t get it up….

He stands firm, then grabs her, throws her on the floor and just bangs her….

She wanted that all along.

This is the ultimate shit test. The idea that he could be beta and apologize or he could walk away. But in this scene, played perfectly he maintains hand.

Watch…would be worth a separate post if anyone can download that scene or transcribe it….

My girl said she was going to a uni frat party with her friends in 2 days she assumed I wouldn’t want to go although she invited me anyway (ticket price $30)

Said I wasn’t interested and wasn’t cool with her going. She got all upset and asked me what would happen if she went. I said that my attitude towards her would change and probably wouldn’t be hanging out with her anytime soon.

After some deliberation and her crying she said she wanted to hang out with me the night of the party and just do something together.

Do you plan on marrying this girl? If yes, you played it well. But be warned, if you’re planning on marrying a girl who wants to hang out at frat house instead of spending the evening with you, her interests are not be aligned with yours. And if you often find yourself playing it like this that’s a red flag. She might cry now but in the long run she will resent you.

However, If you don’t plan on marrying the girl, then you should have said I don’t want to go, period. But you don’t tell her you’re not cool about her going. You let her do whatever she wants. And then you do whatever you want.

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