New Mexico ‘Church’ Becomes First in Mennonite Church USA to Appoint Openly Lesbian ‘Lead Pastor’

ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. — A “church” in New Mexico has become the first in the Mennonite Church USA to appoint an open lesbian as “lead pastor.”

Albuquerque Mennonite Church, which affirmed homosexual relationships a decade ago, made the announcement on Monday that it had chosen Erica Lea as its new leader.

It remarked that Lea has a “strong call to connect with and serve people affected by current immigration policies and racial, social and economic discrimination—as well as a call to provide a beacon and safe haven for the LGBTQ community.”

“We look forward to finding more ways of articulating and sharing an Anabaptist faith that can flourish in locally derived expressions of Jesus’s call to discipleship, peacemaking and justice,” said search committee member Andrew Clouse. “We think Erica is well-equipped to help us do this.”

Lea has heretofore mainly led professing Baptist assemblies, but did serve as an interim pastor for Houston Mennonite Church, Mennonite World Review reports. She has been at Calvary Baptist Church in Washington, D.C. for the past three years.

According to the site Sojourners, Lea plans to move to New Mexico to take the role at Albuquerque Mennonite Church after she “marries” her female partner in November.

“It’s like the Grand Canyon distance between becoming open and affirming and actually calling an LGBTQ pastor who is out,” she told the outlet. “A lot of churches struggle to make that movement. … I want LGBTQ people and women to be celebrated and encouraged in pastoral and ministry leadership roles.”

She also asserted to the Mennonite World Review that “it is quite possible that the Spirit might be calling them (homosexuals and transgenders) to these types of roles.”

Lea is a graduate of Truett Seminary at Baylor University in Texas, and also has a background in ecofeminism, which “sees a relationship between the serious environmental damage done to the earth and the repression of women.”

While Lea is the first openly lesbian “lead pastor” to be appointed by a Mennonite Church USA congregation, in 2014, the Mountain States Conference approved the ministerial license of Theda Good, a Colorado woman who identifies as a lesbian, to serve as as pastor of nurture and fellowship at First Mennonite Church of Denver.

As previously reported, the development prompted a Mennonite Church in Ohio to leave the denomination in part due to concerns over the lack of discipline against those who engage in homosexual behavior.

“We felt that Mennonite Church USA and [our church] were going in different directions concerning scriptural authority and holiness,” Ross Miller, pastor of Hartville Mennonite Church in Lake, told reporters.

“We felt there needed to be church discipline, and there hasn’t been,” he said, referencing disappointment that the Ohio Conference failed to pass a resolution urging the denomination headquarters to address the Mountain States’ actions, as well as a statement from an executive board member that he felt was less than satisfactory.

According to 1 Timothy 3, leaders of the Church are to be men and are to be examples of holiness, including in their own homes.

“A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach, not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; one that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity,” it reads. “For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the Church of God?”

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Ed Byerly

Sorry… but NOT a real Christian church. Plus, there is NO such thing as a practicing Lesbian Christian, or a Homosexual Christian… anymore than there is a practicing Murderer Christian or a Terrorist Christian, etc.

Bob Johnson

So Torquemada wasn’t a Christian. Good to know that.

Amos Moses – He>i

given his history … or what we know of it ….. its questionable ……..

jaycubed

What’s with the “blackface”?

Amos Moses – He>i

yeah … dont know what that means … but it sounds racist …………..

jaycubed

You don’t know what “blackface” means?

Amos Moses – He>i

oh … and what is with the “greenface” …………

jaycubed

It’s a prickly nut – a chestnut. As my avatar it represents me.

You didn’t answer me, do you know what “blackface” means?

Amos Moses – He>i

again …. sounds racist … are you a racist ….. why do you think i am not black …. why does it make a difference ….. again …. are you a racist …………maybe you are just a “racialist” …………

jaycubed

Projecting again I see. I have made no comment about what “Race” You are. I have no particular
concern about what “Race” You are. I respond to your comments &
presence.

You seem obsessed with calling people racist, while hiding behind a “blackface” avatar.

Amos Moses – He>i

i see …. so it is that you are at least a racialist …. and your comment that “I respond to your comments & presence.” …. well thats just a lie …… it is exactly about my comments that you seem to deem that i am not speaking as a black man or woman would or should …. in YOUR opinion ………. and that is racist or at least racialist …..

i call people racist when their behavior is racist … as yours is now ….. or their OPINION or position they hold has racists ORIGINS …… and they choose not to acknowledge it ….. or even outright deny it …..

and anyones race here is IRRELEVANT ….. and the FACT that race has not even been brought up in this story by me or anyone else as far as i know ….. makes your racism even more apparent …..

jaycubed

Lying again I see. I have never brought up Your race at all, not even in response to Your attempts at provocation or Your insulting comments. You have accused me of racism about a dozen times above for asking about Your avatar. You remain the one obsessed with race, not me. I have still never asked about Your race because it is irrelevant to the issue.

So, I decide to do a survey of friends. Some, mostly white but with one African American male, looked at your avatar image – some read some of your comments. The response was universal – Your avatar image is racist.
I called up an old girlfriend cross country – she is black & owns a nightclub/restaurant with a predominately African American clientele – and asked if she thought an image of “Rochester” was racist? She asked, “Does he have those bugged out eyes?” I replied yes. She said . “Racist”. Several patrons old enough to know who we were talking about agreed.
The black gentleman who actually looked at your site stated that almost any African American would look at the constant repetition of such an offensive “blackface” character & would immediately go somewhere else.

I suspect that the real reason for Your plastering this site with such an image is to drive black people away. Your racism is obvious. as are your racist “dog-whistles”.

jaycubed

And don’t try the, “It’s a tribute to Edmund Lincoln Anderson”, ploy. You didn’t use a picture of Edmund Lincoln Anderson, You used a picture of “Rochester” as Your avatar, not Edmund Lincoln Anderson.

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored ………….

jaycubed

I would have to say, “Bingo ! ”

Your avatar is intentionally racist for a racist purpose regardless of Your race. It fulfills its purpose in driving African American viewers from Your site.

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored, ignorant and irrelevant ………. FYI … i have no site ………

jaycubed

“FYI … i have no site” Amos Moses – He>i

Whenever anyone opens a discussion page at this site they find your avatar plastered all over. Maybe every 3rd or 4th image seen is your “blackface” image.

Why don’t You quit lying and admit that Your motives are to provoke others with an offensive image so that You can fling unfounded charges of racism. That appears to be Your schtick as evidenced by Your numerous posts here.

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored ……….

jaycubed

You realize that when You say “ignored” it’s obvious You really mean, “I have no answer to that.”

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored …….

jaycubed

Just like I said.

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored ……….

jaycubed

You do realize that when You say – “ignored ……..” You are ipso facto a Liar.

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored … see … i do not have to block you …. i can still read whatever you write …. and at the SAME TIME …. IGNORE what you said even though i read it ….. and then let you know that i read and now disregard what you said …. and that is IGNORING ….. not just the limited use of that word that you want to use ………. Oh …. and IGNORED AGAIN ………

jaycubed

R O T F L O L !

I’ll bet You can’t let another person have the last word either.

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored …………

jaycubed

Still R O T F L O L !

See!

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored ……….

jaycubed

Still R O T F L O L !

I rest my case.

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored ………..

Amos Moses – He>i

FYI ….

Edmund Lincoln Anderson (September 18, 1905 – February 28, 1977) was an American comedian and actor.

Anderson got his start in show business as a teenager on the vaudeville circuit. In the early 1930s, he transitioned into films and radio. In 1937, he began his most famous role of Rochester van Jones, usually known simply as “Rochester”, the valet of Jack Benny, on his radio show The Jack Benny Program. Anderson became the first Black American to have a regular role on a nationwide radio program. When the series moved to television, Anderson continued in the role until the series’ end in 1965.

After the series ended, Anderson remained active with guest starring roles on television and voice work in animated series. He was also an avid horse-racing fan who owned several race horses and worked as a horse trainer at the Hollywood Park Racetrack.

Anderson was married twice and had four children. He died of heart disease in February 1977 at the age of 71.

Amos Moses – He>i

“You didn’t answer me”

because it is irrelevant and a stupid racist question … why would i ………..

jaycubed

Nothing racist about it. I simply asked if You knew what “blackface” was and you started whining about racism.

Since You still don’t seem to know what “blackface”is, I will tell You.

“Blackface” is the racist caricature of African Americans for comedy. It was originally created by white actors who performed in “blackface”, a crude exaggeration of “Negro” features.
On the advent of movies & television, white actors were no longer able to play black roles so actual “Black” actors were hired to fill those “blackface” roles.
The characters remained racist stereotypes since the purpose of “Race” music & media was to convince white people that Their “Negroes” were happy to be subservient to whites.

Edmund Lincoln Anderson, better known as “Rochester” was a black man playing a “blackface” character, for which he was paid quite well.

Just to pull a quote from the same page you cadged from Wiki below concerning “Rochester”:
“. . . referencing minstrel shows, where white actors in blackface reinforced low stereotypes of laziness, ignorance, illiteracy, weakness
for drinking, gambling, and carousing, and general unfitness for any
position of responsibility. Jack Benny’s November 1, 1936 broadcast was
entitled Doc Benny’s Minstrel Show, in which the entire cast performed a minstrel show in a “black” dialect.

I remember Rochester, he turned white when he got scared.
The whole thing sounds pretty racist to me.

Amos Moses – He>i

too bad you did not read any further …..

According to Jack Benny’s posthumous autobiography, Sunday Nights at Seven, the tone of racial humor surrounding Rochester declined following World War II, once the enormity of The Holocaust was revealed. After the war, Benny and his writers made a conscious effort to remove all stereotypical aspects from the Rochester character. The changing times became very apparent in 1948, when a 1941 script was re-used on The Jack Benny Program. The script including several African-American stereotypes — for example, a reference to Rochester carrying a razor — and prompted some listeners, who were unaware the script was reused, to send in angry letters protesting the stereotypes. Thereafter, Benny insisted that his writers guarantee that no racial jokes or references should be heard on his show. Benny often gave key guest-star appearances to African-American performers such as Louis Armstrong and The Ink Spots, and Benny himself made numerous personal appeals on his show, asking listeners to reject racism in favor of fraternity and peaceful relations between all races of the world.

FURTHER ……….

In 1943, when Benny brought his entire radio show cast to Canada at his own expense to perform for those in the various branches of the Canadian services, Anderson and his wife received a warm welcome. Stateside, an incident was defused by Benny when, according to reporter Fredric W. Slater, Rochester was denied a room at the hotel where Benny and his staff were planning to stay in Saint Joseph, Missouri. When it was announced that Anderson could not stay there, Benny replied: “If he doesn’t stay here, neither do I.” The hotel allowed Anderson to remain as a guest.

Anderson, as Rochester, demonstrates to John Forsythe how Benny pinches a penny on Bachelor Father, 1962
It was not the only time a hotel refused Anderson a room. Soon after he became part of the permanent show cast, the program went on location to New York. When a couple from the South complained about staying in the same hotel as Anderson, the hotel manager tried to get him to find a room somewhere else. Hilliard Marks, the show’s producer and also Jack Benny’s brother-in-law, told the manager that Anderson would leave the hotel the next day. When he did, Jack Benny and the entire radio show cast and crew totaling 44 people, joined Anderson in checking out of the hotel.

so your objections are noted ….. i do not care about them ……… and your position is racist on its face ……….

jaycubed

I read that too. What’s your point, that Jack Benney was a real mensch or
that the overt racism of the “Rochester” character decreased over time
(as did society’s overt racism). Neither seem relevant to the discussion
at hand.

Amos Moses – He>i

nor do any of your comments ……… ignored …………

SFBruce

Your claim that there’s moral equivalence between murder, terrorism and homosexuality is absurd. Obviously, you’re perfect free to follow your conscience when it comes to your own sexual life, but the idea that two adults who choose to form a life together is the same as murdering completely innocent people to advance a political agenda is crazy.

Amos Moses – He>i

they are choosing death for themselves, their “partners”, and society in general ….. and the moral equivalence is that they ignore God and His commandments ……. all of them ……… including murder ………….

SFBruce

If I understand you, you go even further than Ed Byerly, since you seem to be saying that not only is there moral equivalence between homosexuality and murder, but that all gay people commit murder. And that’s even more ridiculous.

Amos Moses – He>i

they make choices and then expect no consequences to those choices ….. and the science is that they choose an early death for themselves and their “partners” …. is that ridiculous …. sure …. it is an absolutely stupid choice to make …… well over 90% will not live past age 65 ………… slow death is still death and premature death at that …………

brucewang

Ridiculous, you’re using old data from the 80s when AIDS was rampant.

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored ….. the age of the data means nothing ….

brucewang

So now you’re giving me “ignored” messages which are annotated, to make them just a little bit LESS ignored than usual? Of course the data means something. You think people are dying of AIDS at the same rate they were in the 80s?

Garbage Adams

That is nonsense, and I’m 100% sure you can’t produce a study from the last ten years that shows anything like that.

Amos Moses – He>i

and what does ten years tell us …. nothing new … ignored

Garbage Adams

Ten years? Are you kidding? With the development of new drugs the numbers change DRAMATICALLY. There are FAR more people living with HIV now than there used to be.

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored ….. data has no freshness date …….

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored …………….

Garbage Adams

Please show recent data that backs up your claim. Homosexuals don’t die early just because.

Amos Moses – He>i

there is no freshness date on data …. fail ….. and i gave you several studies that give ongoing confirmation …. you know …. PEER REVIEW of the findings ….. and of course it is not “just because” ….. their BEHAVIOR is the factor …. homosexual BEHAVIOR ……….

Garbage Adams

Yes there IS a “freshness” date on data, unless you are also going to say that people still die of malaria and smallpox as much as they ever did. So this is a fail, all right, but it’s all yours. Homosexual “behavior” itself does no damage, as long as the parties involved are in committed monogamous relationships.

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored ………… apples and jackhammers ……….

Garbage Adams

I see. So you are saying people still get malaria and smallpox, that data doesn’t change when we develop vaccines and drugs.

Amos Moses – He>i

this was given to you TWO DAYS AGO ….. are you IGNORING it because you cannot deal with the TRUTH ……. is 2015-2016 FRESH enough for you ……

“More than half of the MSM diagnosed with syphilis in 2015 were also infected with HIV”

2016 Public Health England (PHE) syphilis report
(Men who have sex with men (MSM) represented 90% of all syphilis cases in 2015)

But syphilis is in no way confined to big names, nor is it a sexually transmitted infection (STI) of the past. The 2016 Public Health England (PHE) syphilis report has shown that infection rates are on the up, with disproportionate rates in London. In 2015, the capital accounted for 56% of all cases in England, with a 22% increase in diagnoses in the year 2014-15. Since 2010 the number of cases of syphilis in Londoners has increased by 163%, with a 22% increase in the year from 2014 to 2015. The borough of Lambeth has the highest rates, closely followed by the City of London and Southwark.

Men who have sex with men (MSM) represented 90% of all syphilis cases in 2015, with a 232% increase in diagnosis over the last five years, said the report. More than half of the MSM diagnosed with syphilis in 2015 were also infected with HIV, and over half additionally tested positive for a separate STI. Rates in heterosexuals remain stable but are higher than ideal.

It’s 2016. Safe sex campaigns and targeted prevention efforts are in place. Sexual health care is free and accessible to both high and low risk groups. So what is going on?
The basic science can’t be sugar coated. More condomless sex leads to higher rates of syphilis, (and gonorrhoea, chlamydia, HIV … the list goes on). Untreated syphilis means the disease continues to be passed on and leads to potentially horrifying long-term medical complications. Action is needed now to address the reasons behind these patterns, particularly in MSM, the group most affected.

Garbage Adams

I didn’t ignore it. You are being deceptive and dishonest with what it says. When you say MSM you know very well you’re zeroing in on a promiscuous demographic. What you’re NOT doing is using the same statistics to talk about monogamous people. And how funny that’s what you WOULD do if you were talking about straight people.

Amos Moses – He>i

batmang is gone …. and it seems you are on the same road ….. see you in the funny papers ………

Garbage Adams

I don’t know who you mean, but I’ve seen plenty of people at odds with you around here. I wonder why.

Amos Moses – He>i

they reject truth … thats why ………. FYI …. there are many that do not ….. but i do not care one way or the other …………

Garbage Adams

I don’t think it’s THEM rejecting truth.

Amos Moses – He>i

you are entitled to YOUR opinion of it ………..

Garbage Adams

I don’t care about opinions. I only get behind something when it’s based in fact.

Amos Moses – He>i

when you get some please let us know …… you have yet to present any ……..

Garbage Adams

I present it all the time, but you are openly contemptuous of authoritative sources, and that includes the dictionary. That makes reasoning with you especially difficult.

jumpstart

“get behind”, we get it, but we don’t want it.

Garbage Adams

That’s the great thing about science, it’s right even when you reject it.

jumpstart

He’s a few clowns short of a circus.

Garbage Adams

Is that why you just showed up?

Ed inOhio

Yes, they actually do die earlier. Have you forgotten “aids”, etc., as an example. Their rate of suicide is also higher. The death rates are readily available.

Garbage Adams

AIDS killed people at a far faster rate in the 80s when it was the “gay disease”. AIDS these days has an entirely different demographic. Heterosexuals get AIDS. Christians get AIDS. People with HIV live longer with better drugs.

Suicides for homosexuals I don’t dispute, but that’s got a lot to do with persecution and shame from religious groups.

Amos Moses – He>i

“Suicides for homosexuals I don’t dispute, but that’s got a lot to do with persecution and shame from religious groups.”

because all the black americans who were persecuted from slavery to today commit suicide at the same rate ……. what a steaming pile of ….. well ….. steam ……………… fact is they KNOW what they are doing is WRONG and they feel shame with or without “religious groups” …… and they cannot deal with that truth ……..

Garbage Adams

Let me know the next time a religious group attacks you for being black.

Amos Moses – He>i

blacks were attacked all the time for being black ….. read a history book ….. and FYI …. it is A LOT EASIER to tell if a person is BLACK …..

Garbage Adams

People can’t change the color of their skin.
They can’t change the sexuality they were born with either.

Neither should be attacked. For the simple reason that neither is anything that anyone can do anything about.

Amos Moses – He>i

“People can’t change the color of their skin.” ….. true …..

“They can’t change the sexuality they were born with either.” ….. lie …….

Garbage Adams

OK, then I guess the APA and at least ten other organizations like it are lying.

Amos Moses – He>i

they are deceived …… and by extension …. not truthful ………..

Garbage Adams

They study it and work with it and report on it. No, they are not deceived. They know precisely what they are doing.

Amos Moses – He>i

“They study it and work with it and report on it. No, they are not deceived. They know precisely what they are doing.”

The CDC study it and work with it and report on it. No, they are not deceived. They know precisely what they are doing.

or is that a lie …. or is it NTS Syndrome ………..

Amos Moses – He>i

” then I guess the APA ….. are lying”

then I guess the CDC is lying …….. on numerous reports ….

Garbage Adams

That proves it then. NOT.

Amos Moses – He>i

so you got nothing …. and you do the same thing you accuse me of …. the APA doctors or the CDC doctors ….. you say the CDC is lying or deceived ….. but it is all “science” and they cannot both be right ….. and you revere “science” ….. except when it does not suit you ….. gee ….. sounds like NTS Syndrome ………

Garbage Adams

I don’t oppose the CDC. I oppose the way you are dishonest with it.

Amos Moses – He>i

so i cut and paste dishonestly … i see …. and all i did was give you THEIR words …. and stats …. and data ….. and the title of the article it came from …. so it should be EASY as CAKE for you to find it and to refute it from within the study itself ……… BUT …… nothing …. you are a hypocrite and a liar ……. but this is not news ….. you have a worldview that steals from God and when His creation does not go your way ….. you make outlandish claims with NO PROOF to show your claims ……… hypocrite ………

jumpstart

It’s all about denial. Take a visit to an aids ward. I visited a friend there. More denial….but eventually.

Garbage Adams

When, in 1985?

jumpstart

They can choose to stop a BEHAVIOR. My dad swore he was born an alcoholic, but he worked very hard at not driving drunk.

Garbage Adams

So why is it “love” for straight people but “behavior” for homosexuals? Careful, your double standards are showing…

Easy there junior. I do not bully or shame any homosexuals. Take a time out in your safe spot.

Garbage Adams

You preach hellfire all the time. That’s all I really need to know about you. That you believe it is bad enough. That you threaten others with it is inexcusable. I don’t even like sharing oxygen with people like you.

So it is the Word of God that offends you. Before I came to the Lord for my salvation I felt the same way.

Garbage Adams

Good lord, if the word of God is anything like you imagine it to be we are all doomed.

jumpstart

Actually Garbage, the Bible is very clear. ALL have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God, that includes you and me. The wages of sin is death. You can choose your path you just can’t determine the consequences. But denial is your bible and you worship it.

Garbage Adams

Even if we are to believe it, does it mean we are to hate and judge and condemn as Doug does? Where does your Bible say this?

jumpstart

All garbage from Garbage Adams. Refuse to accept responsibility for aberrant behavior. The horizon doesn’t look too rosey Garbage. Looks like you might have to explain your sexual proclivities to a Muslim. I don’t want to be there when you call them intolerant.

Garbage Adams

What sexual proclivities of mine are you talking about, and just because a Muslim has backwards and intolerant beliefs about homosexuals doesn’t mean you don’t also.

jumpstart

Last numbers that I read were somewhere between 35 and 52, but I don’t want to be intolerant. Why did they shut down the gay bath houses?, I can’t remember.

Ed inOhio

The point is: sin is sin. God actually said that homosexuality was an abomination. A church that preaches a different gospel is a FALSE church. A false doctrine is from satan. We are supposed to test everything against scripture to discern truth. Anything less than truth is unacceptable.

SFBruce

Two points.

1. Surely you’re aware of the fact that while many conservative Christians believe in a literal interpretation of the infallible Bible, they don’t all agree on what that literal truth is.

2. I know that the belief that all sin is equal is fairly common among some Christians, but I don’t buy it. Do you really think having a gay couple living next door represents the same kind of danger as a terrorist? Or a serial murderer?

Garbage Adams

It’s DEEPLY crazy and thank you for pointing it out.

Tonya Elise

EVERYONE
IS BORN INTO SIN . Trans-people are Not the same as that. REMEMBER God does Not make mistakes.
Trans people are not living a lie. They are just trying to get by in life.
Jesus was the imcbodiment of LOVE. Some “so-called Christians have so much HATE.
Not having the education or information leads to Fear. Fear leads to HATE, Have leads to
Volence ( Murder and hurting someone). ________________________________________________________
John 14:6 King James Version (KJV)
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto
the Father, but by me.
*** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone ! _
Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)
7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye,
but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
__
That has to do with Gay men << Romans 1:18-32…
Trans-gender is not about sexuality. Gender is
Not sexual preference ….. AGAIN . What sins have
you done? Judge not me for any sin i know i have
done. … Those without sin cast the first stone.
Not saying you are judging me, i am just making a
point to those who would. John 3:16 and i am saved
from eternal Damnation. JESUS it the embodiment of
LOVE. He loved everyone so much he died for EVERY
Sinner on earth. Yes, even sinners. My gender is not
a sin. God made me who i am.
Satan is Hate. God is Love . I ask you (so-called) Christians To whom do you serve. Hate *Satan* or ( love ~God~)?

Allan Trenholme

Not everyone reads, follows and obeys God’s Word. Its easy to see who knows the scriptures and the power of God. God bless you Ed.

Bethany Lewis

Amen. Homosexuality is a sin, just like fornication, adultery, theft, etc. Anyone who labels themselves as someone living in ongoing, unrepentant sin is not a Christian. Also, women are not to be pastors.

I Tim. 2:11-13 – Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. …

Tonya Elise

EVERYONE
IS BORN INTO SIN . Trans-people are Not the same as that. REMEMBER God does Not make mistakes.
Trans people are not living a lie. They are just trying to get by in life.
Jesus was the imcbodiment of LOVE. Some “so-called Christians have so much HATE.
Not having the education or information leads to Fear. Fear leads to HATE, Have leads to
Volence ( Murder and hurting someone). ________________________________________________________
John 14:6 King James Version (KJV)
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto
the Father, but by me.
*** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone ! _
Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)
7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye,
but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
__
That has to do with Gay men << Romans 1:18-32…
Trans-gender is not about sexuality. Gender is
Not sexual preference ….. AGAIN . What sins have
you done? Judge not me for any sin i know i have
done. … Those without sin cast the first stone.
Not saying you are judging me, i am just making a
point to those who would. John 3:16 and i am saved
from eternal Damnation. JESUS it the embodiment of
LOVE. He loved everyone so much he died for EVERY
Sinner on earth. Yes, even sinners. My gender is not
a sin. God made me who i am.
HATE IS Satan's Tool. LOVE IS GOD'S Blessing upon ALL people . Even the sinner. To whom do you serve . So-called Christians the hate. That is a sin right there."""" Love thy Neighbor as thy self """"""

brucewang

No True Scotsman fallacy. They aren’t any less Christian just because you disagree with them.

Tonya Elise

EVERYONE
IS BORN INTO SIN . Trans-people are Not the same as that. REMEMBER God does Not make mistakes.
Trans people are not living a lie. They are just trying to get by in life.
Jesus was the imcbodiment of LOVE. Some “so-called Christians have so much HATE.
Not having the education or information leads to Fear. Fear leads to HATE, Have leads to
Volence ( Murder and hurting someone). ________________________________________________________
John 14:6 King James Version (KJV)
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto
the Father, but by me.
*** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone ! _
Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)
7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye,
but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
__
That has to do with Gay men << Romans 1:18-32…
Trans-gender is not about sexuality. Gender is
Not sexual preference ….. AGAIN . What sins have
you done? Judge not me for any sin i know i have
done. … Those without sin cast the first stone.
Not saying you are judging me, i am just making a
point to those who would. John 3:16 and i am saved
from eternal Damnation. JESUS it the embodiment of
LOVE. He loved everyone so much he died for EVERY
Sinner on earth. Yes, even sinners. My gender is not
a sin. God made me who i am. WHO do you serve Satan and Hate? God is love i serve him.

Ed inOhio

Transgender is a liberal lie of mental confusion. Liberals promote the idea instead of trying to show the truth!

Garbage Adams

Is that your medical opinion? What are your medical credentials?

InTheChurch

Another church that has left the presence of God. See ya.

Amos Moses – He>i

……… would not want to be ya’ …………

TheEditor2866

InTheChurch, allow me to switch your sentence around a bit. Another church that the Presence (the Spirit) of the Lord has left.

InTheChurch

I like that one too

Trilemma

This trend is going to continue. Younger people are more open to this than older. As the older people die, the greater will be the proportion of people open to this. Today’s apostasy will be tomorrow’s orthodoxy.

Amos Moses – He>i

nope … it will still be apostasy ……..

Faithwalker

So true….

byronmullet

Amen! “When the Son of man comes, will He find faith on the earth?” (Luke 18:8) “Because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall grow cold.”Matthew 24:12

Trilemma

When Martin Luther taught salvation by faith alone it was apostasy. Now it’s orthodoxy. It’s only a matter of time till a lesbian pastor is not considered apostasy.

Amos Moses – He>i

nope .. it was always orthodoxy …. and it was not ML that taught it ….. it was scripture …. and the apostasy was that of those who opposed what he said and what scripture said ….

Trilemma

Well, yes, I agree. The church with its indulgences was apostate. But we’re looking back with the benefit of hindsight. Some future generation may look back at what’s going on today and say that the church with its condemnation of homosexuality was apostate. Now, that may never happen but it seems to be the direction things are headed.

It wouldn’t matter if 99.99% of the people who call themselves “Christian” say they approve of homosexuality. Christianity is not poll-driven, it’s God-driven.

“Trendy Christian” is an oxymoron.

Trilemma

Christianity has always been poll driven and based on the prevailing popular interpretation of the Bible.

jumpstart

Oh boy I can smell a ton of hasty generalizations coming.

Faithwalker

ecofeminism?….okay

Kevin Conner

“A lot of churches struggle to make that movement.” I wonder why! Does she even read the bible? It’s pretty clear on that. It is pretty darn hard to misinterpret. Although I don’t have a degree in ecofeminism. It’s also sad that Baylor offers a degree like that. Even sadder people pay money for it. I guess all of her church followers must be gay as well.

Steven Masone

Romans 1:26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error. 28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done.”

1 Timothy 1: We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. 9 We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, 10 for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine 11 that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.”

fishing4truth

No one can serve two masters; Lesbianism and the LGBT movement are incompatible with Scripture and a Spirit filled walk before the Lord Jesus Christ. See what Scripture says below:

Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes And clever in their own sight! (Isaiah 5:20-21)

That is why God let go of them and let them do all these evil things, so that even their women turned against God’s natural plan for them and indulged in sex sin with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sex relationships with women, burned with lust for each other, men doing shameful things with other men and, as a result, getting paid within their own souls with the penalty they so richly deserved. So it was that when they gave God up and would not even acknowledge him, God gave them up to doing everything their evil minds could think of. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness and sin, of greed and hate, envy, murder, fighting, lying, bitterness, and gossip. They were backbiters, haters of God, insolent, proud, braggarts, always thinking of new ways of sinning and continually being disobedient to their parents. They tried to misunderstand, broke their promises, and were heartless—without pity. They were fully aware of God’s death penalty for these crimes, yet they went right ahead and did them anyway and encouraged others to do them, too. (Romans 1)

RWH

I know that I am going to get into trouble with this statement, but isn’t it about time that we stop minding each others business? These are Mennonites. They have different doctrinal practices that they arrived at through discernment and prayer. I may not agree with their belief in pacifism where they refuse to fight or join the military. There are too many people who would cut these people off, or to equate them with the most horrific practices. This does not help the cause of Christ but instead promotes bitter rivalries. It gives the impression that we hate anyone that is not like “us,” and it gives the impression that we jump for glee when harmful things happen to them.

This particular church has no problems with a lesbian pastor who is most likely in a loving relationship with another lesbian. Let them be. You don’t agree with them; don’t attend their church, but don’t wish evil on them. Let us mind our own sins rather than the sins of others. All it does is to water and feed an arrogance within ourselves.

Bethany Lewis

Mennonites still should follow the Bible, just as any denomination should. I don’t see where anyone is wishing evil on them…but their eternal souls are at stake. Living in deliberate, intentional sin is not living as a Christian.

RWH

Perhaps you should be reading the other comments about this and about the daughter who married against her father’s wishes. Those comments sound awfully judgmental and condemning to me. As far as eternal souls being at stake, you don’t know that, and neither do I. Scripture doesn’t address same sex people who live in loving relationship. It does address promiscuity. Otherwise, where is the condemnation for Mary and Martha, or for Ruth and Naomi. The passage of love that Ruth showed for Naomi is often used at weddings, yet this is a same-sex love. Too many people judge to conclusions on the most minimal of facts.

Bethany Lewis

Mary and Martha were sisters, not lovers, and Ruth and Naomi were mother-in-law and daughter-in-law, not lovers! They were not in a same-sex relationship.

The Bible clearly condemns homosexuality. I Cor. 6:9-11 – “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.”

So yes, eternity is at stake for someone living in deliberate sin….”will NOT inherit the kingdom of God.” Then it says such were some of you, but you were washed….”

Bethany Lewis

So there is hope when someone confesses and repents and leaves a lifestyle of sinning behind.

RWH

Well, you can quote scripture till the cows come home. First of all, the NT writers did not have a concept of what homosexuality was, and the word was not changed in the KJV until the nineteenth century. Secondly, you don’t know what type of relationship the woman has–or even if she has a spouse. Secondly, are you serious? A person steals something, and his relationship with Christ is terminated just like that? So, according to you, people can lose their salvation if they get drunk? I don’t think that the verse applies as you think it does, especially when Paul was dealing with the context of temple pagan worship.

Again, the context in which these verses were written determines a lot of their meaning. And they are not talking about people who sincerely love and care about each other. Do you really think that Christ sent his disciples out by twos if He didn’t think that they were going to bond? It was probably not a sexual relationship, but it was a caring one.

Again, you’re attitude towards judgmental-ism and condemning people to hell in a flippant manner doesn’t hold water, and it is the exact sort of attitude I addressed in my first comment. Christ does not look at the outward appearance but looks inward toward the heart. That is certainly something that neither you nor I can do. I believe in giving people the benefit of the doubt. It is unfortunate that you can’t bring yourself to do the same.

Amos Moses – He>i

“First of all, the NT writers did not have a concept of what homosexuality was” ……… lie ……

“I don’t think that the verse applies as you think it does, especially when Paul was dealing with the context of temple pagan worship.” ….. lie ….

“the context in which these verses were written determines a lot of their meaning.” ….. true …. so why are you lying about the passage presented ………..

Bethany Lewis

If you read what I wrote, RWH, I didn’t say one sin or even many, terminates one’s salvation! We need to confess and repent each day of the sins we’ve commiteed. But living in an “ongoing, disobedient, continual pattern” of sin shows what is in the person’s heart. Of course we all sin every day! But God help us if we live in a deliberate pattern of sin, no matter what sin it is. And yes, I will quote Scripture till the cows come home, because all Scripture is inspired by God.

Amos Moses – He>i

keep up the good work … glad you are here ……..

Bethany Lewis

Same to you, Amos Moses! Far too few people are defending biblical truth nowadays!

Garbage Adams

1) Not a lie. Very true.
2) Not a lie. Context is important.
3) He isn’t.

That was easy.

Amos Moses – He>i

ignored …. again …….

Garbage Adams

LOL

TheEditor2866

Bethany, thank you for pointing out to RWH the family relationships Mary and Martha and Ruth and Naomi had! That kind of love is phileo (brotherly) love. Sigh…

Bethany Lewis

Exactly.

brucewang

Philo love is great, but it’s not all we need as human beings.

Bethany Lewis

He didn’t say it was. He was agreeing with me that Mary/Martha and Naomi/Ruth had phileo love.

brucewang

But you would deny eros to people of the same sex, for whom it is the only way they can experience it.

Bethany Lewis

No it isn’t! God can deliver them from the slavery to this sin.

brucewang

It’s not a sin, and although God might be able to do many things, He can’t turn a homosexual into a heterosexual, that’s impossible. The largest “ex-gay” organization in the world, Exodus International, even shut their doors, admitted fraud, and apologized.

Bethany Lewis

So you say God can’t do anything He wants? Such a low view of God you have. He inspired His Word and gives us as Christians commandments to live by.

brucewang

Well, He never has. Homosexuality is the hand you are dealt. You cannot change.

LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

Through Christ many have changed. There is Deliverance.

Bethany Lewis

He never has what? Given us the power to obey Him?

Bethany Lewis

The Holy Spirit indwelling true believers gives us the power to obey Him.

LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

Through deliverance there is change.Although very few receive deliverance. God is able to deliver but he will not force deliverance on people who reject it.

LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

Ruth was the daughter-in –law of Naomi.Ruth was married to Naomi’s son.Naoni lost her two sons and her husband.When she went back to her Country Ruth went with her.Boaz was a Kinsman redeemer. Ruth married Boaz .(a man). They had a son named Obed.You really should read the story. It’s a very good story.

Mary and Martha were sisters. Again please read the story.Martha got upset with her SISTER for not helping her. Mary was spending time with Jesus and Martha thought Mary should be helping her.

Strange that you would think two sisters were same sex partners.Strange that you thought A mother-in-law/Daughter-in-law were same sex partners.

If someone told you they were both same sex partners. They were wrong. Sometimes it is best to read the stories to understand what they are about.

RWH

I am very aware of the story as I have taught the Bible as Literature. The fact remains that Ruth and Naomi were not under the protection of a man but rather set up a household by themselves. They very much were same sex partners. Jewish custom dictated that male members of the extended family take women like Ruth and Naomi into their household. Rather, they chose to go against the grain. The problem is that you keep on reading the word SEX into the picture. May I suggest that you get your mind out of the gutter.

Bethany Lewis

Come on… in your comment above you said “yet this is a same-sex love.” Lady in Christ didn’t say it, you did!

LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

Than you should understand they had NOTHING to do with Homosexuality (SAME SEX PARTNERS)

RWH

And are you going to give Erica Lea the same benefit of the doubt? Or are you going to conjure up all sorts of images in your mind of what they might possibly be doing?

LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

You say something, than you get all bent out of shape if someone says something about what you said.You have a big problem. I will pray for the Christians whom you are giving a such had time to on this Christian site.I will pray God will protect Christians from you.

RWH

No, I’m trying to get across the important idea that I don’t reduce people to labels and then demean them on the basis of that label. I know how to work and play well with others in the giant sandbox. You need to stop reducing others to a collection of sexual body parts. You don’t like the idea that a so-called lesbian assumes the pastorate of a church of another denomination. Ignore her and go your own way. All you do is to make your self look ugly and to energize others as ugly as you. In short, stop getting your pants in a wad over stuff that most people don’t care about. A gay couple in my neighborhood could tell stories of the ugliness that some of their neighbors have exhibited. And what do they have in common? They claim to be good Christians. All they have accomplished is to make themselves look ugly in front of their neighbors.

A few years ago, one of my student workers who was a professed “Christian” excitedly told me that another one of my student workers was in a “lesbian relationship.” She was crushed when she found out that she did not receive any brownie points, especially when I questioned her motives in sharing this piece of information intended to damage the reputation of a fellow worker. What was really sad was the fallout that she received when others in the office found out that she tried to get another student in trouble. She instantly found herself on the receiving end. Unfortunately, it didn’t faze her as she felt that she was doing God’s will in denouncing others before the authorities.

This type of attitude comes in many stripes and flavors, and unfortunately, I detect this very same attitude in you. In other words, I question you motives. They may go over well in your neck of the woods, but they do not go over well where I live and work. You might want to focus on praying for yourself rather than me. Anyone who creates a hostile environment where I work gets shown out the door.

An individual or two in the system where I have worked have lost jobs over things they wrote about others on venues such as Facebook.

LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

I will still Pray for the Christians whom you have been and are giving a hard time too on Christian sites. I will Pray God will Protect them from you. I am adding this to me weekly prayer time.

Good night.

RWH

Well, it’s nice to know that I hit a bulls eye when I made my assessment of you. Within the past year, this news site published a story of a lady in a workplace with the same prissy attitude as you have toward another worker–that is using this pious idea of prayer which was actually a put-down of the other worker, all in the hope that he would see “the light.” She lost her job because the courts deemed that she created a hostile workplace nicely wrapped in a pseudo pious veneer.

LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

Good night pleasant dreams.

mr goody two shoes

The reason there pacifist is because during the peasants revolt in Germany they were almost wiped out. They blamed Luther and Lutherans for it. But the letter Luther sent to Squash the rebellion arrived after they were about wiped out. Luther was shocked as they were the army was so heavy handed. Luther received the blame any way .Some dummy in elca almost 500 years latter apologized for Luther and Lutherans. And now elca and them are buddies . .

Heidi K.

She said “the spirit” not the HOLY SPIRIT!

ZappaSaid88

Why was the Amish woman expelled from her community? Too Mennonite! (wait for it…)

BuckeyePhysicist

Thy humor doth maketh me laugheth.

mr goody two shoes

Old Amish are
Mennonites. There are many different sects of Mennonites.

Jon Miiller

I’ve been a part of the Mennonite Church my whole life and I can tell you there is no Biblical authority in MC USA. Churches are leaving in droves. MC USA once had some 150,000 members and now they are down to 70,000. The Mennonite church will not survive their denial of God’s word.

Bethany Lewis

Amen. I’m not Mennonite, but have attended some churches and know lots of wonderful Mennonites, but many of their churches have watered down theology.

jumpstart

Friend graduated from a Mennonite College in Fresno Ca. He told me that it has turned into a liberal scum pot and he won’t donate to them anymore. The great apostasy is upon us.

“And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.” – I Corinthians 6:11

LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

Amen.

TheEditor2866

‘Nuff said!

Tonya Elise

EVERYONE
IS BORN INTO SIN . Trans-people are Not the same as that. REMEMBER God does Not make mistakes.
Trans people are not living a lie. They are just trying to get by in life.
Jesus was the imcbodiment of LOVE. Some “so-called Christians have so much HATE.
Not having the education or information leads to Fear. Fear leads to HATE, Have leads to
Volence ( Murder and hurting someone). ________________________________________________________
John 14:6 King James Version (KJV)
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto
the Father, but by me.
*** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone ! _
Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)
7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye,
but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
__
That has to do with Gay men << Romans 1:18-32…
Trans-gender is not about sexuality. Gender is
Not sexual preference ….. AGAIN . What sins have
you done? Judge not me for any sin i know i have
done. … Those without sin cast the first stone.
Not saying you are judging me, i am just making a
point to those who would. John 3:16 and i am saved
from eternal Damnation. JESUS it the embodiment of
LOVE. He loved everyone so much he died for EVERY
Sinner on earth. Yes, even sinners. My gender is not
a sin. God made me who i am. Satan is HATE … God is LOVE . to whom do you serve now ?????

Elca

So Tanya, you identify as Trans-gendered or Gender Fluid person; can you say what was your gender at birth?
Also, since you are ” Fluid” am I to assume you are likely to change your gender in the future as you ” feel ” and ” desires” ?
It is your right to do so, others are doing it, using Pseudo-Science to justify their actions.
What do you say to the 14 year old and 22 year old who change back to the gender at birth?

Evermyrtle

I am completely in the dark about this sex business, one day a male. the next day or month, a female, what do they do with the parts that really label them as a certain sex? Do not all of the parts, need to match, those inside the body as well as outside the body?? The word “GROSS” is alive and well, in these days when we cannot tell if we are male or female!!!!

Matilde Tavares

Calling evil good & vice versa is not hate, but simply misinformation & blatant distortion of Truth, a serious problem in the foundation propaganda of LGBT agenda. You are not born it, as enough scientific reports are available right up to few months ago about NO existence of “gay gene”. It is a case of mistaken identity, which started when Satan lied to Eve ; when she believed the lie about her identity, it got them expelled from garden & its lifelong free benefits . Nothing new under the sun, and someone deceived dies not know he/she deceived till presented with the Truth.

jumpstart

NAMBLA is total depravity nothing normal about their behavior. . But they “Just want to help little boys experience their sexual needs and desires.” and NAMBLA beasts were created that way and that’s the way god created them and we shouldn’t be so hateful. God gives us the free will to make choices about our behavior, but God does not let us determine the consequences, that’s His department.

Garbage Adams

Nobody supports NAMBLA. Nobody. You make it sound like it’s a legit organization with backers. It isn’t.

Chet

1000 thumbs up!

Evermyrtle

True, but you see we are of the world that is described in 2 Timothy 3:1-17, especially notice verse13. We are fast becoming worse and worse when following GOD’S commandments.In accepting homosexuality we are bypassing GOD’S WORD and applying the teachings of word of Satan!!

EVERYONE
IS BORN INTO SIN . Trans-people are Not the same as that. REMEMBER God does Not make mistakes.
Trans people are not living a lie. They are just trying to get by in life.
Jesus was the imcbodiment of LOVE. Some “so-called Christians have so much HATE.
Not having the education or information leads to Fear. Fear leads to HATE, Have leads to
Volence ( Murder and hurting someone). ________________________________________________________
John 14:6 King James Version (KJV)
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto
the Father, but by me.
*** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone ! _
Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)
7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye,
but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
__
That has to do with Gay men << Romans 1:18-32…
Trans-gender is not about sexuality. Gender is
Not sexual preference ….. AGAIN . What sins have
you done? Judge not me for any sin i know i have
done. … Those without sin cast the first stone.
Not saying you are judging me, i am just making a
point to those who would. John 3:16 and i am saved
from eternal Damnation. JESUS it the embodiment of
LOVE. He loved everyone so much he died for EVERY
Sinner on earth. Yes, even sinners. My gender is not
a sin. God made me who i am.

Sorry but all that is LGBT is a lie and a sin and yes I also am a sinner saved by the Blood Atonement and Holy Spirit of Christ Jesus. Because of that I am a child of God. I am a new creation in Christ. The sins I used to do, I do them no more.

God does not create sin nor tempt anyone to sin therefore no one is born to be a sinner of a certain stripe. We are born into sin but our sins are our choices and not the fault of God. God did not make you to be a transgender. You are living a lie propagated by Satan and the only answer and cure is becoming born again in Christ as He teaches in John 3. I pray you take this to heart and in Christian love because that is how it is intended.

jumpstart

Amen. God gives us the free will to choose our path, but He does not give us the right to determine the consequences of our choice. He warns us in Proverbs 6:16-19. There are behaviors that our perfect loving God cannot tolerate. He wouldn’t be perfect if He did.

Chet

What evidence can you cite from the Holy Bible of such condition before the Lord Jesus Christ walked this Earth? Chapter and verse, please…

jumpstart

OT is very clear about what to do with a man who dresses as woman and a woman who dresses as a man.

Garbage Adams

Let me guess. Kill them?

jaycubed

Well, you guys just got the Antichrist elected President.
.

LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

Just because you hate someone dose not make them the Anti-Christ. Remember the ones who hated Obama, they too said he was the Anti-Christ.

jaycubed

I say Trump is the Antichrist because of his behavior, not the color of his skin. I fear him and his followers for Your desire to destroy the world for your Beliefs.

I say that most of the readers of this site are followers of the “False Prophets” as noted in Revelations because of Your behaviors, not because You claim to be “Christian”

You reject God’s commands on how to determine a false prophet and what to do if a person makes a prediction or prophesy in God’s name and it does not come true. If you actually believed in God’s Law You would be out stoning to death for their repeated false prophecies in God’ Name:

If They actually Believed in God’s Word they would be begging for forgiveness and demanding to be stoned to death to fulfill God’s Law.
——
* At least those of them still alive, I didn’t bother checking.

LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

I don’t think the Anti-Christ has been revealed yet. But I believe he is alive and well waiting for his day. But as for who……………………..
It could be you. The Anti-Christ will hate Christ and hate his followers like you do…………….

jaycubed

If Revelation is true, than it is obvious that the U.S. is Babylon and that Trump is the Antichrist; making you & your ilk the followers of False Prophets as evidenced by the behavior of all the parties mentioned.

LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

I believe Revelation is true…………

Ron Godwin

All I can say my friend is so far Trump has not murdered 60+ MILLION people and call it CHOICE! Sadly however those Dems most certainly HAVE and they will stand before God and be judged as well as everyone that puts those people in charge. As their hands are stained with the blood of all those dead unborn children as well.

Also, don’t buy into your own liberal insanity from your liberal news casters and Holly Wood nuts they all hate Trump because he stands for a better moral way to live than they ever want.

He PRAYS with his people before EVERY meetings, Maybe Obama did but praying to Allah just has not teeth since Allah is NOT THE REAL GOD OF HEAVEN AND EARTH.

Revelations IS real but to sit there and try to figure it out when you do not know the Lord is like going to a nuclear submarine knowing nothing about how it runs and telling them you will be taking over with the maintenance of the nuclear power plant with NO instructions that you can understand and one screw driver with the tip broke off.

Please my friend I beg you to repent of your sins, trust in Jesus Christ ALONE (Not your own understandings they are flawed as was mine so long ago), and put your life in the hands of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ NOT in your own “power” as you will stand before God that way and be doomed..

Elca

People who are outraged at the LGBT agenda gaining a strong hold in Christendom but has accepted women in Positions of Headship in the Church of Jesus Christ are Hypocrites.

No!. But it is harder to be against the Feminist agenda than it is to be against the LGBT agenda in these days. It is popular rhetoric in Christendom.
I remember when the Feminist agenda was attacked in the 70’s and 80’s but slowly Christendom began to acquiesce to the Cultural pressures to allow women to be and do what she ” feels and please'” even if it is contrary to the Tradition of scripture and the Written Word of God.
What ground do we stand on , since we have accepted this ” sin ” of Feminism as normal? Do you not see the hypocrisy in that position?
Also,it is a matter of time before most in Christendom also capitulate to the LGBT agenda, just like they did to the Feminist agenda. Just a matter of time…
Then it too will become an acceptable norm as a more vile and outrageous agenda captures our attention.

What is acceptable to mankind does not matter if it goes against God and His Holy Word. God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. He and His Word are eternal and unchanging. If you think that you can defend yourself before God by saying that everyone else is doing and saying this or that, you are sadly mistaken and the consequences of that could very well be an unpleasant experience for you.

Elca

I am not justifying the LGBT agenda, that’s not the point.
I am pointing out the hypocrisy in Christendom, for before the LGBT agenda, we had to contend with the Feminist agenda and it seems you are now quite comfortable with that being the norm.
I am presenting to you a “Slippery Slope” that Christendom has entered since the 80’s with a cultural conformist doctrine , twisting the Unchanging Word of God to conform to a trend in the Culture.

It will happened; and if the Church of Jesus Christ do not repent for that apostasy ( the feminist agenda) that gave rise to the LGBT agenda then what do you think? would it a pleasant experience for you and most? Lord, Lord in your name i was the head of… and you said you forbid it, but I chose to be…such a contradiction and deception, but it is prevalent in Christendom.
The inevitability will set in, this too will be the Norm. Why??? we started the compromised game with the feminist agenda, from then, any thing else goes…Sad but true.

Please get yourself right before God for the end of that time is drawing near.

jaycubed

After asking You if You Believed four specific Gospel Verses quoting Jesus were true you replied in a cowardly fashion:
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There are two things I will say here and then I am done with you.

1) Jesus is God and He never lies. He and His Word are always true.
2) It amazes me that you and others like you that do not believe in God and therefore have no idea about Him and who He is, think that you actually are the ones that know it all when it comes to telling us Christians that we are wrong in our belief and understanding of Him and His Holy Word. I have put up with your blasphemy and hatred all I intend to. Do not contact me or reply to me again. Doug Bristow
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My reply:
I have no hatred for you, that is your projection*, but it is apparent that not only are you a brazen liar & Blasphemer – You Are A Coward ! –
You deny and run away from Jesus’ Direct Word and deny Jesus’ Power.
In order to “be done with (me)” you have to deny Your own Faith in Jesus and in the Gospel.
You Reject Jesus’ Word, Lie about it, and then run away like a coward with your tail tucked in. You refuse to defend Jesus & His promises.
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* I certainly have contempt for your ideas, behaviors & way of life. But nothing like hatred.

jumpstart

What is the difference between hatred and contempt?

jaycubed

Hatred is personal. It is focused on who or what the person IS.

Contempt is social. It is focused on what the person Does.

I have contempt for the self-righteous people intent on destroying all life on Earth to prove Their god exists. Because that’s what Their God wants.

Elca

Ok…

Tonya Elise

EVERYONE
IS BORN INTO SIN . Trans-people are Not the same as that. REMEMBER God does Not make mistakes.
Trans people are not living a lie. They are just trying to get by in life.
Jesus was the imcbodiment of LOVE. Some “so-called Christians have so much HATE.
Not having the education or information leads to Fear. Fear leads to HATE, Have leads to
Volence ( Murder and hurting someone). ________________________________________________________
John 14:6 King James Version (KJV)
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto
the Father, but by me.
*** Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free,
nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.***__
I AM CREATED BY GOD > I am trans-gender and i am still a Christian.
Judge not lest ye be judged. The Trans-gender people have been around
since before Jesus was on earth. John 3:16 i am saved. Your Judgement
on my is a Sin. Let those without sin cast the first stone ! _
Matthew 7:1-3King James Version (KJV)
7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged:
and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye,
but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
That has to do with Gay men << Romans 1:18-32…
Trans-gender is not about sexuality. Gender is
Not sexual preference ….. AGAIN . What sins have
you done? Judge not me for any sin i know i have
done. … Those without sin cast the first stone.
Not saying you are judging me, i am just making a
point to those who would. John 3:16 and i am saved
from eternal Damnation. JESUS it the embodiment of
LOVE. He loved everyone so much he died for EVERY
Sinner on earth. Yes, even sinners. My gender is not
a sin. God made me who i am.. hate is of Satan.. Love is of God. to whom do you serve. So-called Christians with so much hate. Christians are SINNERS TOO.

jumpstart

God let you choose your behavior, but He didn’t let you choose the consequences. We all have a choice, that includes you. You are in total denial.

Tonya Elise

Str people do not have to worry about being murdered for
being Str. If you go to a night club having fun with friends str.
people have not worries and get drunk. But, the bigger picture
the LGBT is not out to pervert anyone or try to get more to join.
most Pedophiles are Straight. More Rapist and sexual deviants are
Str. And most talk about the LGBT for doing this. Most of the LGBT
are Gentle people just trying to get by. If you are worried if you
children will become LGBT the you need to teach then and Love them
no matter what the end is. It is not always a choice. Some time LGB
is created. A woman get raped a few times. and /or is a Abused many
times by Men would be a likely become Lesbian or bisexual. A man is
abused by a woman or mother and is emasculated and treated like crap
by women Might be a likely become Gay or Bisexual. OR Maybe a
Pedophile parent help Create a LGB. Religion. Hate is Satan’s tool.
Love is God’s Blessing to all sinners. “Judge not lest Ye be Judged” .
< . Let those without sin Cast the first stone. <<< . If you serve
HATE Satan is you Master. If you give love you are on God's Team.
Whose you Master now??? This is NOT a or should not be a Government
Party issue. This only thing they need to do is protect ALL Americans.
OK. Marriage : you do not need to call it " Marriage" call it a
"Civil Union" in Europe they have had this for yrs and they have no or
not many problems with the people. LGBT is Not a Mental issue,
no more than a Wife/spouse abuser has. 90% or more, people have
some sort of Despression issues and this a a Mental problem.
Gender-noncomforming or (Trans-people) is Not a Mental issue.
That is a Hormonal thing that happened before birth of the baby.
It is not a DNA thing either. Most people that really HATE the LGBT
hate a Mental Issue and/or are jealous that they are alone. WHO DO YOU SERVE ? Satan is hate.. God is LOVE ???

jumpstart

You are logically incoherent.

Ken

Dude, you are babbling. Get some help.

Matilde Tavares

She should become a politician, not a minister as thisbusba serious misrepresentation of Jesus

jumpstart

There is a Mennonite College in Fresno that has turned into a liberal scum pot.

Garbage Adams

Which means what?

jumpstart

Look at the high suicide rate of transgenders. Doesn’t support the happy normal transgender lifestyle.

Garbage Adams

Could that be because of all the people shrieking at them about what evil sinners they are?

Lynn Miller

Feminism has destroyed the Mennonite Church USA. They have been ordaining women as pastors against God’s instructions – for years. Mennonite universities are about as liberal as they come and have produced quite a few people who are unable to recognize truth. The Bible is not their standard. They advocate for feminism, homosexuality, liberal ideology and globalism. Some Mennonite women at a recent convention were worshipping our Father God but called Him ‘mother god’ and ‘Sophia’. New Age apostasy and false doctrine disguised as ‘love’. Praise God that many churches are leaving the denomination.

Asandra Bouman

Being a tomboy does not mean that you are a lesbian. I was a carpenter for 10 years. I am not a lesbian.

The Christian world missed the point in the Word of God.

My point is that everyone thinks Jesus is returning to live on earth with us. That is not what was predicted to happen. The scribes lied.

Amos 5. The Day of the Lord

18 Woe to you who long
for the day of the Lord!
Why do you long for the day of the Lord?
That day will be darkness not light.

2 Peter 3:10 King James Version (KJV)

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

God can undo everything and go back to GENESIS 1:1-3 when everything is void of spiritual light.

If you already embrace the sins of the world, then satan is your father. John 8:44.
Matthew 10:15; 2 Peter 2:6

Doom is at our door. The world has crossed the threshold of spiritual darkness. It made sin into law regarding same sex marriage.

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