I don't think being kind and civil is the reason. Authoritative environments close minds not open them. Subsequently, restricting freedoms, does not allow individuals to attain maximum performance in attaining ones dreams.

We need to look at divisive factors.

What makes us different?

What makes us the same?

It's not about the system it is about the application of the system in a fair level field where every participant has an equal chance.

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You are very confusing...so you think the moon landings may be faked, and you asked why there were no other moon trips, but the reflector I referred to was placed by a later moon landing? Make up your mind, otherwise there's no sense debating the issue. :whistling

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You are very confusing...so you think the moon landings may be faked, and you asked why there were no other moon trips, but the reflector I referred to was placed by a later moon landing? Make up your mind, otherwise there's no sense debating the issue. :whistling

The point in question are the cartoon like basic Apolo 11 pictures not the others.

There was a space race. The assertion is those pickies are fake, made up, not real. I thought the subject matter is obvious. Russians got to space first and US got to the moon first; so it is alleged?

Any comments to explain question 5 where beneath the thrusters there is no dispersion of soil yet we can see human foot prints all over the place.

So many questions and no answers. It begs the question how can the soil be so regular and flat in the same soil where foot prints are clearly visible?

Look again. Look at the ground under the lunar capsule Can see track marks and footprints but no disturbance under shuttle from thrusters when it landed? IS THIS POSSIBLE? HOW SO?

What does it take to think or ask questions if those photos and pickies are not really on the moon?

Look at size of the thruster in this pic?

Also no stars. In fact the sky is always full of stars and they are more visible out in the field where there is no polluting artificial lighting. In that pic there is no other light and still not one star. Really?

Here is another. Look how deep his foot prints are considering gravity is less than 2% of earth and he probably ways about 150kg or less.

Yet the lunar capsule hardly dents the soil. Once again when landing thrusters have not blown away any soil. Imagine a helicopter landing considerably lighter than capsule. It just raises more questions.

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Just science, physics and simple questions raised by others that I relate to with A-level maths and physics under my belt. Appreciate why they are raised. Some people are naturally inquisitive. Some things simply don't add up. Head scratch.

I'm also thinking it explains why so many people follow religions coz they say so. Get 10 people saying the same thing and the 11th joins without questioning the what why or how. It must be so.

Lemmings... :idea:

Why don't you all look at the pictures and just think about it. If satisfied then all well and good. If not then doesn't one want to dig for answers? Of course they do.

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I'm digging google for evidence. Found this but there seems to be not much interest in exposing USSR failures. How strange?

Conclusion of the Space Race

By landing on the moon, the United States effectively “won” the space race that had begun with Sputnik’s launch in 1957. For their part, the Soviets made four failed attempts to launch a lunar landing craft between 1969 and 1972, including a spectacular launch-pad explosion in July 1969. From beginning to end, the American public’s attention was captivated by the space race, and the various developments by the Soviet and U.S. space programs were heavily covered in the national media. This frenzy of interest was further encouraged by the new medium of television. Astronauts came to be seen as the ultimate American heroes, and earth-bound men and women seemed to enjoy living vicariously through them. Soviets, in turn, were pictured as the ultimate villains, with their massive, relentless efforts to surpass America and prove the power of the communist system.

With the conclusion of the space race, U.S. government interest in lunar missions waned after the early 1970s. In 1975, the joint Apollo-Soyuz mission sent three U.S. astronauts into space aboard an Apollo spacecraft that docked in orbit with a Soviet-made Soyuz vehicle. When the commanders of the two crafts officially greeted each other, their “handshake in space” served to symbolize the gradual improvement of U.S.-Soviet relations in the late Cold War-era.

Nothing on fake or failed first in space or space walks though. Seems Russians have infiltrated our BBC with their fake news stories too.