America's Failure to Learn from 9-11 (thetyee.ca)No bombing of innocent people can be excused, be it Guernica, London, Dresden, Hiroshima or New York and Washington. But until humankind learns how to, in Lyndon Johnson's words "reason together," we will have the horrors of war and deaths of the innocent.

When you look at 9-11 or any bombed city, one can see that while there is never a good reason, there is an explanation.

But let's step back here for a moment. Who in the Muslim world was pissed off enough to perpetrate 9/11?

Proletariats of the Muslim world are mostly too poor and not equipped to pull off 9/11. And, I'm terribly sorry, but I don't know anyone on the left with the money or the kind of training needed to have pulled off such a complex terror operation. Nobody.

There is, however, plenty of evidence that elites living in USA's cold war era alliance countries, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia, financed 9/11 terror.

That's right, there is zero evidence that any group of lowly proles in Afghanistan or Iraq had anything to do with 9/11. No matter how many times theyve been attacked and invaded by foreign armies, Afghans have never sought vengeance against innocent people living in the empire countries. It is a CIA-lamestream newz media myth that Muslims were pissed off enough about the appalling situations in any of Egypt, the West Bank or Gaza enough to have schemed and plotted such a terrible "surprise" attack against symbols of American capitalism on 9/11/01. 19 guys with cell phones and all orchcestrated by Usama bin Laden on the other side of the world? It's laughable. It would be laughable if it wasn't so sad that so many people here in the West would believe such an absurd fairy tale.

There is, however, quite a lot of evidence that "al-Qa'eda" is just the CIA's proxy terrorists from the 1980s-90s and previously referred to by lapdog newz media as simply 'the mujahideen', holy warriors and even "freedom fighters".

And their freedom fighters became experts in terrorism: car bombings, making improvised explosive devices, and yes, even hijacking passenger planes. They were trained by the CIA, US Army and British SAS over the years. And those same people have zero interest in social justice or social democracy or even chasing the infidel armies from their lands. These so-called freedom fighters have murdered innocent Muslims and infidels alike over the years. Their relationship with the CIA and Western world has been a lot like belonging to the mafia and Murder Inc. Their is no trust, no rhyme or reason to belonging to the Gladio Gang and friending it up with Western world intelligence agencies for guns, money, and-or the dope delivery business. The people who perpetrated 9/11 are not social democrats or even liberal-minded. The terrorists who did 9/11 certainly don't give a shit about some poor slob in Gaza whose house was bulldozed in the middle of the night. Let's not laugh too long or hard over this silly baloney.

They were definitely not proles in the way that any of us on the left think of proletariats or freedom fighters getting one back against a vicious empire. This CIA "blowback" narrative may sound nice and romantic and logical, but it is totally absurd and flies in the face of reality.

Of course the alternative is that 9/11 was an inside job. It's highly likely.

Thank you to the 9/11 truth seekers who have uploaded so many posts in Babble. I just finished reading back over the many threads you folk have posted here over the years and I thank you also for your persistence. I'm new to 9/11 truth, having stumbled over it through the occupy movement. This is my question: I understand mainstream media's participation in the cover-up and censorship of 9/11 but help me to understand why alternative media sources are participating as well? Rabble.ca why did my 9/11 search on your site lead only to results in babble and nothing in any of your main sections? Why did I have to dig for this information? 9/11 Truthers, why is the censorship happening in alternative media?

Hmm, sorry, should have dug a little further, just found an article with accolades to the babblers bringing forward the truth about 9/11. What else can be done? Even after my short foray into this, I can only conclude that 9/11 begs us to examine the degree of censorship that occurs across the globe in both mainstream and alternative media.

Yes, why is it happening? I just googled the absurd phrase "war on terror" and received more than 2600 hits. The U.S. Military dictatorship and its bribelings in Ottawa et al are still using the 9/11 canard to threaten and attack other countries militarily ten years later. The situation is deteriorating globally not improving. We now have a colder war on our hands, and the threat of an outbreak of nuclear war is just as great now than most times during the cold war.

I find some of us on the left tended to swallow whatever it is the right led them to believe about 9/11. And we've interpreted the right's version of 9/11 events in a way that only lefties can. Some of us were duped into believing that they were pious Muslims who orchestrated and carried out the 9/11 terror attacks. Some of us lefties naturally assume that the 19 hijackers were fed up with US-Israeli mistreatment of Palestinians over the years. They think to themselves that the hijackers must have been proletariats on a whole who were merely retaliating for wrongs done to them and their's in the recent past. They were riteous lefties in disguise and lobbing one back against a vicious empire, or an eye for an eye sort of thing. Some of us lefties have ingested and digested the imperialists' own "blowback" theory. That must have been the case, they think to themselves. And there is a dearth of evidence to support that point of view. There is very little evidence to indicate their cold war proxies turned against them. There is overwhelming evidence, however, that al-Qa'eda is really al-CIA'da, al-Special Forces, al-MI6 and even Al-Gladio/NATO then and now. It can't be, they say. It's as if they were born after the cold war not before.

After reading that long list of fascists and insiders who benefited from 9/11, ask yourself how many Muslims, Iraqis and Afghans benefited? Yes, who benefited?

Did a handful of U.S. Military and U.S. shadow government CIA and NSA officials conspire to mass murder thousands of American citizens and other nationals on 9/11? The time has come to consider that, yes, there are mass murderering psychopaths in high places, and they don't have any more respect for American lives than for those human lights they snuff out in oil-rich countries. Murder Inc. and Gladio gang will murder anyone barring their way to riches and dictatorial power, whether they are desperately poor people in the third world or white, middle and upper class American citizens who made the mistake of going to work on 9/11.

And I suspect the idiots will insist that Elvis bin Laden and Sunni mercenaries of anticommunist jihad were like that with the Ayatollah, too. My god they've completely lost their minds. I guess Ahmadinejad calling it an inside job rattled Qaeda mercenaries pretty good. Al-CIA'duh quickly rebuked Ahmadinejad at that point. NATO and their Qaeda allies will have to go in and destroy Iran now because they know that Tehran will never be a subserviant outpost of the empire.

Hey, thousands of people were all involved in the 9/11 plot to destroy the World Trade Center through controlled demolitions, according to Fidel, and not one of them has ever confessed or ratted on the others.

Compared with that, this "civil disobedience" campaign would be a piece of cake!

Actually, 7WTC was home to the CIA's largest field office. 7WTC was also home to the secret service, U.S. Military, and NYC's Emergency Planning Dept(terrorism) with a bird's eye view to it all on 9/11. If anyone could have pulled it off, they had the talent and wherewithal.

M. Spector apologizing profusely for and declaring innocence on behalf of the U.S. Military and CIA on 9/11, architects of false flag at Gulf of Tonkin and even operation Mongoose? And we thought we knew him. All of this in the absence of a real investigation into the worst terrorist attacks, and worst building collapse(s) in a heavily populated city in US history. In the absence of a real investigation which Spector's own personal god Ralph Nader supports. Perhaps a few hail Ralphs and pennance for M.S. are in order.

Operation Northwoods proposals included hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. It stated:"The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere."

TRUTH: They hath committed false flag and mass murder in their black little hearts, and actually, several times before.

I've never noticed Nader stating categorically that he does not support the 9/11 Truth movement.

And according to your twisted logic, that's apparently enough to justify counting him among the "9/11 Truth movement" nitwits.

If you think you can explain in engeering and scientific terms the mysterious collapse of 7WTC, there are 1600+ engineers who are fully capable of running you through the mill on why your uncritical support of US Government's dereliction of duty in that regard is folly.

1600+ engineers and architects demanding that FEMA and the NIST do their jobs are not saying it was an inside job. But the ongoing cover-up certainly does not create an appearance that the corrupt regime in Washington is interested in upholding US Constitutional law regarding either full investigations of federal crimes or US building and safety code violations.

They don't know that, and neither do any of us.

The law is the law and it requires that the NIST does its job, and that's all.

And so far they've refused to do their jobs. Why?

Spector, there is slim next to no proof whatsoever that the invisible army of darkness ever existed. They have no proof of the indenties of the hijackers. None. No proof whatsoever has been provided to the public regarding the U.S. Military's alleged murder of Usama bin Laden who once fought for the CIA in Afghanistan, Bosnia and so on after the end of cold war.

And, you've been posting your off-topical commentaries in the Indefinite U.S. fascism thread. 9/11 truth is here in this thread. It helps keep things neat and tidy that way.

Get ready to be propagandized. We will hear how their cold war allies in Pakistan "double-crossed" them. The CIA, ISI and the "freedom fighters" were caught in bed together in a ménage à trois, and they want us to believe that only the CIA got fucked in the deal, which is slightly different than their previous verson of things where nobody got fucked and yet there was a baby from hell produced, Al-CIA'duh!

The Glasnost will still be half full after this bit of Canadian newz media lapdoggery on Monday night.

Behind a mysterious December 22 Associated Press story about "finding of fact" by a District judge in Manhattan Friday that Iran assisted al Qaeda in the planning of the 9/11 attacks is a tapestry of recycled fabrications and distortions of fact from a bizarre cast of characters. ...

The only real effect of the case is to promote right-wing political myths about Iran. One of the peculiarities of such cases is that the witnesses are not subject to cross examination in court. The witnesses have every incentive, therefore to indulge in false testimony, knowing that there will be no one to challenge them.

"A Fabricator of Monumental Proportions"

The lawyers and the "expert witnesses" behind the accusation of Iran in regard to 9/11 hoped to sell the press and public on recycled claims first made by Iranian "defectors" several years ago that they had personal knowledge of Iranian participation in the 9/11 plot. The lawyers produced videotaped affidavits by three such defectors who were identified, with a dramatic flourish, as Witnesses "X," "Y" and "Z."

In a ferocious legal battle pitting government lawyers against victims of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks, the Justice Department is fighting to block thousands of individuals and businesses from taking $6.6 million in frozen al-Qaeda assets seized from an alleged terrorism financier.

Frozen by the U.S. Treasury Department in 2007, the money is sought by the attorneys for 6,000 individual victims and insurers who suffered billions in losses from the attacks on the World Trade Center. ...

The story of al-Qaeda's Chicago brokerage account is one of the more peculiar and tantalizing threads of the 9/11 story, showing that al-Qaeda had a robust financial network in the United States years after the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon.

Al-CIA'da with financial connections in the USA. The cover-up continues.

Lol! That was hi-larious. Sadly I will likely never read that book. Because like the 9/11 Commission cover-up, Extremely Loud & Incredibly Close is a work of fiction. And I think millions of us are fed up with what has been a decade of the official 9/11 fiction.

I wanted to say I'm sorry, for treating you bad the past couple years. I was in my mid-twenties and I was.. going through a lot of stuff. I think I never really processed 9/11. I want you to know I've changed.

At this time, there is still no word from the FBI or New York city officials how they were able to discover nearly intact passports from the World Trade Center site on the day of 9/11 but have yet to account for nearly 1,000 human bodies.

In the New Yorker article, Jane Mayer quotes you as saying, "I actually had hopes for Obama." What's your opinion on the Obama administration's stated support for whistle-blowers and, more generally, his counterterrorism record?

Worse than Bush. I have to say that. I actually voted for Obama. It's all rhetoric for me now. As Americans we were hoodwinked. He's expanding the secrecy regime far beyond what the Bush even intended, interestingly enough. I think Bush is probably like, "Whoa."

Former NSA official Thomas Drake spent tens of thousands on lawyers and lost his government pension worth $1 million bucks. That was his reward for telling the truth.

And some people ask why there aren't more 9/11 whistleblowers than there are.

"Is there any truth in the allegations that informed circles made substantial profits in the financial markets in connection to the terror attacks of September 11, 2001, on the United States?

'Examination of the option trading leading up to September 11 reveals that there was an unusually high level of put buying. This finding is consistent with informed investors having traded options in advance of the attacks...'

Well I will just have to give credit to former PM Paul Martin for stating that an investigation is needed if A&E's for truth have raised concerns. Martin did say, in 2008, that although explosives may have been used, it was obvious from what he saw on TV *something inaudible to me* and sounded like he said we saw the planes "doing that". Doing what, Paul Martin? What did you see the planes doing?

I know what I saw. I saw two massive steel frame towers still standing after the impacts as they were designed to. And I neglected to see a single plane fly into 7WTC before that tower collapsed and after which there were reports describing a number of explosions. Apparently the gubmint guys weren't interested in what numerous eye witnesses to the events have to say. Because in their minds Occam's razor means to conjure up the weakest explanation defying accepted laws of nature and fob it off to the public.

How many criminal investigations begin and end with ignoring dozens of eye witness testimonies that don't jive with the official fairy tale?

The mother of all terrorist attacks as the genesis fable for globalizing liquid war today has been one long and ongoing cover-up.

Well I will just have to give credit to former PM Paul Martin for stating that an investigation is needed if A&E's for truth have raised concerns. Martin did say, in 2008, that although explosives may have been used, it was obvious from what he saw on TV *something inaudible to me* and sounded like he said we saw the planes "doing that". Doing what, Paul Martin? What did you see the planes doing?

Thanks mmphosis. Apparently that is a different video with some of Martin's response cut off before the camera person was told by security people to stop asking difficult questions about the mother of all US Military Government black ops on 9/11.

And I still think whomever wrote the closed caption s/w for TubeYou should be lined up against a cement wall at dawn. Sorry but I just had to share that.

Thanks mmphosis. Apparently that is a different video with some of Martin's response cut off before the camera person was told by security people to stop asking difficult questions about the mother of all US Military Government black ops on 9/11.

The video I linked to was reportedly shot in Ottawa. This one is from Halifax:

Well apparently I can't hear worth a darn. Because according the beta CC output Paul Martin jr aka Art Vandalay of Art Vandalay-Liberian Steamship Enterprises clearly said: "...once all those planes to him. And I think we all did/do."

I mean who in hell is Anders Bjorkman when we have steamship experts like Paul Martin commenting, really?

So there it is, Paul Martin Junior's expert opinion on how two planes demolished three trade centre buildings on 9/11. Eventually. Not right away but apparently the planes had very bad intentions which frightened the buildings so much that they collapsed some time later on in delayed reactions unique to steel frame buildings ablaze with sporadic, fuel-starved fires and only on 9/11/01.

We can still demand a real investigation according to the highly credentialed Martin. But there is no need to in his expert opinion as former leader of the Libranos and one-time obedient lapdog for Warshington. Because, and afterall, "once all those planes to him", which were all two of them that did what they did, it should have been glaringly obvious to everyone. It's a slam dunk. Say no more. Hush-hush. And I think his handlers telling us to stop asking questions is proof positive that we are barking up the wrong tree with questioning the gaping holes in the 9/11 Commission Cover-up's findings.

Yes apparently they are. And all of this government spying on the lives of Americans and Homeland stupidity has only cost taxpayers about $8 trillion dollars since 9/11. The truth is that their fear of ordinary Americans is the real reason for this Orwellian police state next door to Canada.

There is something disturbing in the nature of post 9/11 public discourse. Incessantly, on a daily basis, Al Qaeda is referred to by government officials, members of the US Congress, Wall Street analysts, etc. as an underlying cause of numerous World events. Occurences of a significant political, social or strategic nature --including the US presidential elections campaign-- are categorized by referring to Al Qaeda, the alleged architect of the September 11 2001 attacks.

What is striking is the extent of media coverage of "Al Qaeda related events", not to mention the mountains of op eds and authoritative "analysis" pertaining to "terror events" in different part of the World.

Routine mention of Al Qaeda "fanatics", "jihadists", etc. has become --from a news standpoint-- trendy and fashionable. A Worldwide ritual of authoritative media reporting has unfolded. At the time of writing (March 24, 2012), "Al Qaeda events" had 183 million entries on Google and 18,200 news entries.

A panoply of Al Qaeda related events and circumstances is presented to public opinion on a daily basis. These include terrorist threats, warnings and attacks, police investigations, insurgencies and counter-insurgencies, country-level regime change, social conflict, sectarian violence, racism, religious divisions, Islamic thought, Western values, etc.

In turn, Al Qaeda - War on Terrorism rhetoric permeates political discourse at all levels of government, including bipartisan debate on Capitol Hill, in committees of the House and the Senate, at the British House of Commons, and, lest we forget, at the United Nations Security Council.

All of these complex Al Qaeda related occurrences are explained --by politicians, the corporate media, Hollywood and the Washington think tanks under a single blanket "bad guys" heading, in which Al Qaeda is casually and repeatedly pinpointed as "the cause" of numerous terror events around the World. (SNIP)

Unknown to the American public, the US spread the teachings of the Islamic jihad in textbooks "Made in America", developed at the University of Nebraska:

the United States spent millions of dollars to supply Afghan schoolchildren with textbooks filled with violent images and militant Islamic teachings, part of covert attempts to spur resistance to the Soviet occupation.

The primers, which were filled with talk of jihad and featured drawings of guns, bullets, soldiers and mines, have served since then as the Afghan school system's core curriculum. Even the Taliban used the American-produced books,..

The White House defends the religious content, saying that Islamic principles permeate Afghan culture and that the books "are fully in compliance with U.S. law and policy." Legal experts, however, question whether the books violate a constitutional ban on using tax dollars to promote religion.

AID officials said in interviews that they left the Islamic materials intact because they feared Afghan educators would reject books lacking a strong dose of Muslim thought. The agency removed its logo and any mention of the U.S. government from the religious texts, AID spokeswoman Kathryn Stratos said.

"It's not AID's policy to support religious instruction," Stratos said. "But we went ahead with this project because the primary purpose

is to educate children, which is predominantly a secular activity."

Published in the dominant Afghan languages of Dari and Pashtun, the textbooks were developed in the early 1980s under an AID grant to the University of Nebraska -Omaha and its Center for Afghanistan Studies. The agency spent $ 51 million on the university's education programs in Afghanistan from 1984 to 1994." (Washington Post, 23 March 2002)

Fethullah Gulen, whose organizations' net worth is estimated to be somewhere between $22 billion and $50 billion, owns and operates over three hundred Madrasas around the world, including Pakistan, Central Asia, and the Caucasus. While Gulen's suspicious and secretive Madrasas have been shut down and or restrained in countries such as Russia, Uzbekistan, and Turkmenistan, based on these governments' justified suspicions that his schools had more than just education on their agendas, his rapidly and secretively expanding charter school empire here in the US has gone quite unnoticed and unacknowledged.

The United States has formally sent to trial Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, alleged Pakistani mastermind of 9/11 terror attacks, along with four other suspected al Qaeda militants involved in its planning.

They could face the death penalty if found guilty. The five Guantanamo Bay inmates will be tried by a military commission on charges including terrorism, hijacking, conspiracy, murder and destruction of property, the Pentagon said Wednesday.

"If found guilty"? lol! Well sure the inquisition will find them guilty. It's a forgone conclusion. What other verdict would a kangaroo court produce?

"The time is long overdue for investigative journalists to challenge such references to unsubstantiated terrorism. They can do so with confidence by becoming knowledgeable about the growing body of evidence refuting the official claims about the growing body of evidence refuting the official claims about the events of 9/11.."

In a January 18th interview, Prime Minister Stephen Harper told Mansbridge that he thinks that "the evidence is...overwhelming" and that it "is just beyond dispute at this point" that Iran's purpose is to develop nuclear weapons. When pressed about Iran's insistence that it has no intention to build nuclear weapons, Harper said "I think there is absolutely no doubt they are lying".2

Harper's claims are all-too-reminiscent of US Former Secretary of State Colin Powell's February, 2003, statement at the UN that, with "facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence",3 there was no doubt in his mind that Saddam Hussein was working to obtain key components to produce nuclear weapons.

Harper is a vicious, vicious toadie. Intelligence? Like yellowcake, aluminum tubes and biological WMD that Iraq was supposed to have?

Our snivelleing, grovelling obedient lapdog in phony-majority government will say anything for a pat on the head and a good boy biscuit.

Harper is an embarrassing embarrassment to all Canadians. It's shameful. Harper is a national disgrace.

"with David Frum, Jonathan Kay and Webster Tarpley. This debate is especially relevent coming as it does as the little Ribbentrops of the NATO foreign ministeries escalate their campaign for a near-term attack on Syria and/or Iran.."

Author Jonathan Kay is an embarrassment to the very idea of investigative news journalism. He posits that because General Smedley Butler was able to blow the whistle on a fascist conspiracy to overthrow the FDR government in the 1930's due to independent news media operating freely in America, the same news media is present to accommodate whistleblowers today.

Watergate was leaked by the media, so therefore any 9/11 government conspiracy would necessarily also be leaked to and by the news media.

But Kay makes no mention of the increase in concentration of news media in the hands of a few in the 30 or so years between Watergate and 9/11. He neglected to mention that thousands of news media corporations in America would eventually be owned by five largest corporate owners by the 1990s. Just five. Wouldn't it be easier to control the news and therefore what Americans are thinking with such high concentration of ownership of the news media?

In fact Jon Kay neglects to mention that Adam Smith and Karl Marx were among the first to point out the fact that capitalists conspire to rig markets in their favour. Monopoly capitalism is a real conspiracy. The goal for every capitalist is to eliminate the competition. One former visiting Soviet dignitary asked his American hosts how US news media could be forced to all report nearly exactly the same news stories as if on queue. The Soviet dignitary said that it was remarkable because in the USSR the state had to threaten their news journalists to achieve similar results.

CIA: We can't release the photos because they are fakes, and truthers would only point out that the photos were photoshop'd, like all of the forged photos and fake film footage of Elvis bin Laden before.

In a bitter irony, in all these countries, US intelligence is covertly coordinating the activities of Al Qaeda affiliated groups. Officially counterterrorism consists in fighting the "Islamic jihad" Unofficially through covert operations, Western intelligence supports their "assets" including terror entities on the US State Department list.

Moreover, these various terrorist organizations are now being used in US-NATO covert military operations against sovereign countries (e.g. Libya and Syria). According to Israeli intelligence sources:

"NATO headquarters in Brussels and the Turkish high command are meanwhile drawing up plans for their first military step in Syria, which is to arm the rebels with weapons for combating the tanks and helicopters spearheading the Assad regime's crackdown on dissent. Instead of repeating the Libyan model of air strikes, NATO strategists are thinking more in terms of pouring large quantities of anti-tank and anti-air rockets, mortars and heavy machine guns into the protest centers for beating back the government armored forces."(DEBKAfile, NATO to give rebels anti-tank weapons, August 14, 2011)

We were initially led to believe that Obama and other members of his administration personally watched bin Laden's killing. White House "situation room" photos featured an apparently shocked Hillary Clinton seemingly watching events live - even though it was subsequently admitted by CIA director Leon Panetta that there had been no live feed during the raid. Several other significant revisions were made to the original account of the raid...

On May 8, The New York Times headlined "Rare Double Agent Disrupted Bombing Plot, US says."

Most likely it's double-dealing official lies and misreporting. According to Times-speak, a Saudi intelligence agent "infiltrated (a) terrorist group and volunteered for the mission, American and foreign officials said Tuesday."

Washington claims he provided an "innovative bomb" designed for "aviation attack." The Times reported the story without checking for reliability. If official sources say it, accounts follow true or false.

The agent is back in Saudi Arabia, The Times said. CIA agents were involved.

What's true or false isn't clear. What's certain is another false flag for reasons similar to previous ones. They repeat well-timed for strategic advantage.

They're manufactured to look real. Media scoundrels headline them. Most people don't know they've been had. The scam repeats because it works. No wonder America gets away with murder and much more.