>>102037331
At the end of episode 26 where exactlyis Shinji?
How does he get home?
What does he eat?
Was Rei his mom? Or a clone?
Was it all in his mind?
What's an Eva, isit a Freudian thing?
Is Shinji real?
Is there a bus to take Shinji home?
Where's home?
Scratch that, even if there was a bus WHERE THE FUCK WOULD SHINJI GO?
I mean, is this how you end a series?
Where does the series go from there?

>>102037382
Eva-01 contained the fruit of life (the soul of an Angel) and the fruit of knowledge (the soul of a human). Having both of them makes Eva-01 a God. I can go more in-depth on this if you'd like. The Spear of Longinus is an object that can collapse AT fields. By merging with the Spear, Eva-01's AT field could expand and collapse every AT field on earth.

>>102037599
The line is intentionally silent because from Ritsuko's perspective (the silent line is shown being spoken from Ritsuko's perspective) it doesn't matter what he said. Everything he said to Ritsuko, she would interpret as a lie.

>>102037610
The outcome is the same, but the intentions are different. SEELE wanted to evolve humanity to a point where they would no longer require a physical form. Shinji just wanted everyone to be alone.

>>102037709
1. He is still inside the sea of LCL, but in the process of leaving it and returning to the physical world.
2. He gets home by desiring the presence of other people in order to exist.
3. Rei was a clone of his mother containing the soul of Lilith.
4. It all actually happened, but parts of it were shown from inside his mind.
5. An Eva is a clone of Lilith/Adam with the soul of a human.
6. Yes.
7. A metaphorical bus.
8. Earth.
9. Some dank ass island in the middle of nowhere.
10. Yes.
11. Rebuild.
12. It did.

>>102038397
SEELE's plan is in direct opposition to Gendo's plan because by merging all life on Earth, Gendo & Yui would become the same entity. Gendo desires to interact with Yui again, not to merge with her.

Yui decided to stay inside Eva-01 so that even if all life eventually receded back into the sea of LCL or simply died out, she would exist as a monument that just one person decided to exist outside of it as an individual. It's not necessarily intended for aliens, it's sort of her declaration that existing inside the sea of LCL is the worst possible outcome.

>>102038594
Ok. Actually, that reminds me that I've never really understood how Gendo would do that. He had Adam, he also had Lilith. For some reason he also needed to get rid of the Lance (also don't get why). After merging with Rei/Lilith what would happen?

>>102039014
It's not really clear what he intended Rei to do once she merged with Adam & Lilith since Rei said "Nah fuck it imma help Shinji instead", but we do know the end goal would be reuniting him with Yui. He needed to get the Lance of out the picture because it could collapse AT fields, and it was vital to SEELE's plan to unite all life on earth in the sea of LCL.

If Unit 01 was built from Lillith, why does it still have a core? Why does it have such strength and the ability to regenerate?
Why is it functionally identical to the Adam based EVAs?
How come Rei II can pilot unit 00, when Rei I's soul is in it? I thought you could only pilot if your mother's soul was in it.

>>102039222
The cores are a design choice by Nerve for the purposes of science. When pilots get inserted into the core, their soul merges with the soul inside of the Eva. This is how pilots are able to control the Evas. All Evas have insane power and the ability to regenerate provided the soul inside the Eva is in control instead of the pilot.

A pilot's ability to pilot an Eva is based on how compatible the pilot's soul is with the Eva's soul. A mother's soul is perfect because a mother is naturally compatible with their child. As for Rei 2's compatibility with Rei 1, that should be fairly obvious.

>>102039633>"So I remember saying to Anno, "It's a robot story,
so let's make the lead character a boy." And just about that time, I
was watching the NHK [public TV channel] program "Brain and Heart"
and learned about the existence of the A10 nerve, and I told Anno
about the idea that popped into my head at that time. That was the
idea where "the dead mother is inside the robot, which is operated by
mental/psychical bonding with the child. "

It's less of a genetic/personality compatibility thing than it is giving birth to and bonding during early childhood.
A maternal bond is very different from, say the bond with your clone.

>>102037382
They need either Eva 01 or Lilith to generate the 3rd impact with the forbbiden fusion of adam and lilith. Actually, you can merge Any Angel with lilith or Eva 01. The spear of longinuss is just for ritual shit, something about A.T. field.>>102037489
He wanted instrumentality but in EoE plans changed when Eva 02 and Eva 01 launched.>>102037599
I think is I love U>>102037610
Seele was planning on taking lilith and Eva 01 so gendo couldn't start his own instrumentality. The problem here was that shinji reached Eva 01 so they rushed everything and what changed everything was that rei merged with lilith merging the soul and body of Rei while giving the freedom of choice to Rei and for some reason Kaworu (maybe when he died being so closed something happened or it's rei showing something that would make shinji stop shouting and focus). So shinji was given the decition to continue with instrumentality or not.>>102037675
I don't take that piece of shit cannon>>102037709
26 is surreal EoE>>102039222
The core is somewhat of a plothole as they drop it on the angels at mid-end of the series and the ablity to regenerate and the strenght comes from the compatibility between yui and shinji that asuka doesn't accept

The functionality is just moving and attacking which alla angels do.

I would say it is ritsuko's mother soul inside the eva, that is why there is such little compatibility with eva 00 and so the eva rejects the pilot. But any souls is compatible with an eva

>>102040033
It's the concept that your mother is the first person you interact with that makes a mother's soul perfect for an Eva unit, but isn't entirely required. Rei & Kaworu can theoretically pilot any Eva with 100% synchronization because they have the souls of Lilith & Adam respectively, but even without that knowledge Rei is able to pilot Unit-00 because of her natural compatibility with herself, something wouldn't be possible without her being a clone. Of course, this doesn't come without some hiccups, which we can see when Unit-00 goes out of control once Rei 2 & Rei 1 become aware of each other.

>>102039487
Gendo want to use it to reunite with Yui using instrumentality but it is unclear if that means all humanity is going to shit also. The manga makes it more clear as it says that he wants to become god or the equivalent to shinji god

>>102039845
I thought it was related to being in contact with the LCL. Since LCL is the physical essence of all life or something like that, it would be plausible that it makes people not physically age.

>>102040521
I think it makes more sense to say that Ritsuko's mother is inside Eva 00 as Eva 00 tries to attack Gendo when it goes berserker. And the hiccups could be she expressing herself but I agree both theories are plausible. Also, there is also a plothole as Rei should be able to pilot Eva 01 far better than Shinji as Yui's spirit is inside (and Rei is a clone of yui) and Eva 01 is made from lilith. So she should be even better than Kaworu as the only thing that Kaworu has with Eva 02 is that it is made from adam, but it has Kyoko's soul inside it. Maybe Yui rejected strongly any other than shinji but Yui's motives are a fucking mess.

>>102040894
LCL is the "soup of life" or what is theorised as the water that contained everything so that life could start in the water. Don't try to make much sense of Rebuild 3.33. You will only make bigger the ruse

>>102040913
Yui's motives are very clear: protect Shinji and give control of the fate of the world to him. In fact out of the cast Yui has the most clarity of purpose and that drives the whole plot forward.
The most likely soul to be in Eva 00 is a part of Lilith's soul, salvaged from Rei-I after Naoko strangled her. The two biggest supports to this theory: when we see 00 going berserk, when she looks at Ritsuko she sees her with Dr Akagi's red hair, and obviously she would hold a grudge against her; she wasn't really rebelling agaisnt Gendo. And in Rei's introspection scenes she always sees that EXTREMELY CREEPY deformed little Rei, one time even muttering: "Who's that? Me? The me inside the Evangelion?"
Rei probably can't synch very well with 01 in part because of rejection from Yui once she met her son, but more probably because it doens't matter what flesh she's made of, it's the soul that matters and Yui doesn't feel any affinity towards Lilith. Kaworu, as the 17th and first angel, is an exception: he has bullshit-plot powers.

>>102038594
Actually canon coming from Anno external to the serie states that seele's plans were a bit more sinister: they wanted to trigger instrumentality only for themselves, become gods inside 01 (or possibly inside the Eva serie, each in a different one) and fuck everyone else. So no instrumentality for either Gendo or Yui. Gendo wanted something similar, but only for he and Yui.

>>102039014
Gendo needed to get rid of the Lance because it is the one weapon that can be used to penetrate AT Fields and kill a being ascended to godhood.
His plan was to merge with Rei/Lilith, then have Rei guide Instrumentality according to his will, because he thought he had total dominion over Rei. What fucked him up is that Rei loved Shinji more than Gendo and rejected his plans. And he needed Adam because... idk, maybe because contact with the adam embryo was necessary to arouse Lilith from sleep? Maybe her body didn't have any energy and she needed Adam as a source. This is purely speculation though, personally I think Anno just decided that Gendo with an Adam embryo on hishand was cool.

>>102041310
I would say that the rejection of the Eva and that Rei never gets any powerfull is from the fact that it is Naoko but I agree there is more evidence but the "Who's that me" is from the battle with armisael. But I that is already settled as not settled.

And now that I think about it, Yui did rejected the dummy plug but those were just vessles without the soul of Lilith. Kaworu bipassed the soul of Kyoko (asuka's mom) without problems so rei shouldn't have any problems wiith it. Also, if yui wants to protect shinji, why the fuck would she put him in the Eva? She should sycronize better with rei which is a clone of Yui and the fact that, again, she has fucking Lilith's soul in her body. And yui respects shinji's decisions so why would she forze him to fight with Zeruel? The manga explains everything far better and shows that Yui's motives are quite selfish and she wants shinji for herself.

>>102042228
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Instrumentality>>102041728
The same wiki states, in the page for the game, that Anno was heavily involved for the script and the Classified Information inside the game, so I think it should be considered as canon as it gets without being actually a part of TOS.

I decide to go with it because it makes sense. I don't care for the muh aliens plot, Angels really don't need their origin explained; but it's cool to have a little insight into what the fuck were Seele and Gendo actually doing.

>>102042228
http://wiki.evageeks.org/Seele>Seele's objectives are greatly expanded upon in the game Neon Genesis Evangelion 2. The Classified Information and the Seele ending of the game discuss a very different form of Instrumentality than seen in the series - Seele intend for Instrumentality to only be for their own council members. Rather than forming a sea of LCL, Seele wish to be merged inside an Evangelion unit with its own S² Engine, after destroying the Spear of Longinus. By placing their own souls within the body of a godlike being, and destroying the only weapon that can harm the body, they would effectively create an immortal God with human soul which would represent the pinnacle of human existence.>inb4 evageeks
Just google Neon Genesis Evangelion 2 plot if you are not convinced

>>102042232
Yui rejected the dummy plug and wanted Shinji piloting her because that was the right battle for her to absorb the Fruit of Life, and she probably needed Shinji's power for that. Remember how she didn't reject it against Bardiel? Probably she didn't give a fuck in that instance because it wasn't important.
And are you kidding? Piloting an Eva IS Yui's way of keeping Shinji safe. Even in battle with the Angels the inside of an Eva is probably the most safe spot in the world - remember that no Angel has shown to be more than an annoyance to a properly rustled Eva... basically you are piloting a god. Besides, Yui didn't just want to mamoru Shinji: she wanted for him to grow enough to be ready to accept the fate of humanity, and that she tried to achieve through battle with the Angels. (She failed miserably because he was such a whiny faggot.)
As for similarities between Rei and Kaworu: there's no indication they have the same powers aside from both having a similar AT Field. Maybe Lilith cannot control Evangelions at all; or maybe Rei-III wasn't aware herself of the full extent of her powers.>>102042248
01 ate Zeruel's Core - the "Fruit of Life" granting infine energy and an eternal body. With a human soul, she also possessed the "Fruit of Knowledge". That made her a complete and perfect being, fit to begin Instrumentality.

>>102041815>>102042248>>102042796
I believe I can shed some light on this subject. This is gonna be a long one so grab some popcorn. Lilith is the progenitor of mankind and has absolute control over human souls while Adam is the progenitor of Angels and has absolute control over Angel souls. So it stands to reason that by merging, you would create a being with absolute control over human & Angel souls. This doesn't seem terribly important until you realize the difference between a human soul and an Angel soul.

The human soul is something intangible that is composed of perspectives. Essentially, the soul is equivalent to identity, and identity is created by input from other humans. While humans may be physically weak in comparison to Angels, they are engrossed in their mental state and spiritualism. Humans exert intellectual power, thus they possess the Fruit of Knowledge.

The Angel soul is the complete polar opposite of the human soul. It is the core that each Angel possesses, and acts as their one weak point, as destroying the core will destroy the Angel's soul. Angels have little to no personality and interact with no other Angels because of this. They are incapable of experiencing emotion and are capable of existing entirely alone unlike humans who require the presence of other humans to exist. Because they lack emotions and their soul is a physical part of their body, the only thing that can determine their identity and set them apart from other Angels is their body, which is why each Angel is so wildly different from the others. Angels exert physical power, thus they possess the Fruit of Life.

Back to Lilith & Adam, by merging the two together, they are able to exert global influence both physically and mentally. On the subject of Eva-01, its core was completed when it absorbed Zeruel's S2 organ, allowing it to possess the soul of an Angel (the Fruit of Life) & Human (the Fruit of Knowledge) simultaneously.

>>102042796>Shinjis power
what power? Rei has the SOUL OF AN ANGEL which could control perfectly eva 01. And you do have a point as it is implied that an eva is the safest place to be (they put comatose asuka in there) but that only applies whenever they are not in combat as in combat there were various situations where shinji almost died. And why would yui would make shinji experience all that shit just for a lesson? It seems very convoluted.

>>102043370
I hjave read the manga... A bit ago. Didn't like some of the rewrites; I consider the anime a more reliable source.
By "Shinji's power" I don't mean he has some sort of superpower. His power is just his high affinity with 01, due to the fact they re mother and son. I meant that it's likely Yui can't muster the strength to move 01 without the umbilical cable if she's not connected with Shinji.
As to why would she be an asshole to her son, that's kinda the point of Eva: because life hurts and often the people who love you and mean well hurt even more.
Honestly the best answer as to why Yui permits Shinjo to enter ombat with the Angels is because plot must happen.

>>102043938>Shinjo to enter ombat with the Angels is because plot must happen
And because this was such a popular anime and it is confirmed that Anno changed his mind in almost every episode (sauce from asuka's voice actress) there are going to be some plotholes like in any other work that is meticulously analysed.

And re-read the manga now that it is over, all charcters are explained far better than in the series adn shinji is not a pussy ass all the time. The characters in general explain their motives to be assholes and Yui's motives are much more clear. The ending is very polarized but I think it was better.

What if Anno is working on the new End of Evangelion right now but he's waiting till the end of this year to announce it? What if it's released corresponding to significant dates in the original to achieve maximum deepness? And at the end of the year anyone who was following it could put it all together and would be the only to find out how deep the rabbit hole goes. For example, what if in 4.0 consensual sexual acts happened between Misato and Shinji? But that contradicts the original because it didn't happen. So if it's released at the time of it's happening, does it count as the latest source? If it's live it would be more believable right? I'm trying to think of the unseen as true but as soon as it's seen then it becomes something else. So the question is, What is left to be seen in the last of Evangelion that could be true about the original?

>>102046969
Seele grows concerned with Gendo's scheming and decides to kill everyone and secure Eva 01 for themselves, so they send in the Eva serie
While his staff stands heroically, Gendo fuses Adam with Rei so she can fuse with Lilith and trigger Third Impact accordign to his plans, Rei goes "no fuck you" and betrays him to reach Shinji
Meanwhile according to Seele's plans the Eva serie has captured 01 and is using her as a catalyst for the 3I
Giant ghostly Rei appears, takes control of the 3I only to give it back to a terrified Shinji, who has to make a decision regardign the fate of humanity
Initially he decides that being human causes everyone suffering so everyone is tang and their soulsstart flowing in the Black Moon in Lilith's hands
In a moment of introspection Shinji realizes that avoiding suffering has no point if you cease existing, so according to his will everyone who wishes to return to a human shape, can; their role fulfilled, Lilith and the Eva Serie die, the tanged humanity falls on Eart, as (presumably) does the Black Moon with every soul inside
Eva 01 endlessly wanders space, a powerless god with a human soul, as an eternal testimony to the existence of humanity
On Earth only Shinji and Asuka are shown as being strong willed enough to revert back to their human shapes. You'd think that meant they solved their neuroses through the whole mess but noooooo.

>>102046969
Okay so Shinji is all sorts of depressed because of his guilt over having killed Kaworu and because his identity is a product of the people around him. Meanwhile, SEELE begins the final phase of their plan to merge all life on earth into a sea of LCL. The JSDF assaults Nerv HQ under orders from SEELE as Gendo sets out to initiate the final phase of his own plan to reunite with Yui. Misato rescues Shinji and convinces him that he has to at least try to go on living, Gendo kills Ritsuko, and Rei decides to abandon Gendo in favor of Shinji. Asuka becomes aware of her mother's soul inside of Eva-02 and kicks some ass before dying. Rei merges with Lilith/Adam and acquires godlike powers. Shinji has a mental breakdown and Rei/Kaworu give him control over their godlike powers. Shinji decides everyone on Earth is better off being alone and merges all life on Earth into a sea of LCL just like SEELE wanted. Inside the sea of LCL all minds become one and Shinji begins an examination of himself. Through a combination of peering into another possible reality and recalling the memories of himself and others, Shinji decides that living with fear and pain is preferable to living comfortably and alone inside the sea of LCL. The ability to leave the sea of LCL is given to all life that still exists on Earth, and Shinji chokes Asuka in order to determine whether or not she desires his presence in her life. Asuka places her right hand on Shinji's cheek, signifying that Shinji is something she needs in order for Asuka to be herself. Shinji cries because that's some heavy shit and Asuka comments on how disgusting the two of them are. FIN.

>>102047919>thinking it is only the grill ending I care>strawman
EoE was unecesarily sutile or just 2deep4u shit. And the ending didn't felt like any sort of closure and it left me with a bad taste. It is also laughable how people started analysing asuka's last words off a bad traduction (it is not How disgusting, it is I feel sick). I would have to agree that I personaly prefere closure over open endings but I still think this open ending was complete bullshit. And also, not giving information and make it hard to undestan it!=minimalistic plot or sutile plot. You can use these devices but it is stupid in a genre that the lore is very important to get what the fuck is happening. The manga has the same characters with well explained shit.

>>102048817
But the manga ending doesn't work. It's crap - merely having characters say it the final words without reaching the conclusion is pointless.
Even EoE, and NGE does it far better. The manga ending is a pure joke of shit writing.

>>102052594
What conlusion? It shows why shinji suffers and why he wants the world as it was before evenbetter than episode 26, he finally grows up and starts a new life with the only thing leaving open is that maybe shinji remembers it all or maybe not. Everything else was explained previously and all characters reached some sort of closure. EoE didn't reach a conclusion and it is just a crap 2deep4 you ending.