Just been perusing the OPC site and find the number of GT3RS & GT4 's for sale at hugely inflated prices infuriates me .....
They have for sale :
GT3RS 11 @ 195-235k
GT4 19 @ 85-100 k

How can Porsche justify this ( apart from Avarice) .

They posture about offering the cars to good customers and then before you can blink they have them in their showrooms as 'used' ......
This is blatant profiteering and Porsche themselves MUST have made offers to the initial customers , I can't believe they haven't ....!

I would buy one of either but I'm an not going to pay through the nose ....

I had one of the very first Cayman S to come to the UK and said I would have loved a big engine, loaded car to compete with a 911.

The principle of paying around 20k above list for a GT 4 is just too much ....

I get the feeling that Porsche are at least contributing , perpetuating the rise in values and people chasing any perceived asset by encouraging this trade on the forecourt.

I bought a 997 gt3 from a dealer who when I discussed trading the car in for my gt4 they refused to pay more for the car even though the value of the car had risen and they would be selling for the new market value. I sold the car elsewhere.

After picking the gt4 up and told them I was disappointed with the car compared to the gt3, they offered list for it back but no more.

The whole gt cars and Porsche Main dealerships is a bit of a joke.

Porsche NewsMotoring Editor

Joined: 08 Feb 2008Posts: 6835

Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:05 pm Post subject:

Can't disagree with both of those statements, one for our investigative arm to uncover as you would almost think it's a price cartel of sorts.... _________________>Competitive Porsche Insurance <

3 of the cars have less than 500m on the clock but each have had 2 owners ..it just makes a mockery of the whole affair , it's almost as if Porsche Uk are saying that they ( and everyone ) know these cars are at a reasonable price "WE can't have Joe Public getting a good deal" , so they 'buy' the cars themselves ,or the Exec's best pal buys it, then sell it back to the dealership....
If I recall when the 991.1 GT3's were being flipped for decent profit by individuals , there was a noise from dealers saying that these people would not get any further allocation , but the have all these cars on there premises now which are obviously being turned over for the profit that they can reach ....
They are totally complicit in this scam ....

I agree that I think they must be breaching the consumer laws somewhere along the line l is there a challenge to be made in here ?

Skelts ,
Totally agree with your comments on the OPC trade in pricing scam as well , I had the same laughable offer on my 997.2 GT3 they offered around 20 k less than it was worth so I politely declined and went elsewhere also ...( different OPC where decent value given)
I enquired last year about a 991.1 GTS ( new) they had in the showroom , they asked me what I thought my car was worth in the deal (997.2 Turbo S at 7k miles ) i replied that I wanted them to make the offer then we could progress from there ...hum haw .' It's difficult as there are none in the OPC network to compare with ' ,to which I replied , ' yes ,they are quite sought after at the moment ,so what is your offer ?' ...
60k .....!
So the conversation went distinctlySouth where I to.d the smarmy git that he needed to remove his robbing b45tards mask and treat customers as with the respect they deserve and not try to con them out of their cars ....
I still go back to service my cars there but the 'sales exec' doesn't come near me feel I am browsing their stock ...👹👹

There still are no 997.2 Turbo S in their OPC network ....so I am keeping mine .......

Crikey, if those are the prices with so many of the market walking, imagine how high they would be without McLaren et al!_________________

DRZ911Suzuka

Joined: 13 Mar 2013Posts: 1110Location: Belfast

Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 5:24 pm Post subject:

GT4 wrote:

Bigfra wrote:

It's shocking. No wonder so many folk are moving to mclaren etc

Crikey, if those are the prices with so many of the market walking, imagine how high they would be without McLaren et al!

Totally agree - McLaren now has a broad enough range, especially on the second-hand market, which will start to keep Porsche (more) honest.

Exclusivity with the 911R is one thing, but to keep on strangling supply of the GT3, and playing into the hands of investors, flippers, mega-rich and their own dealerships, will ultimately result in enthusiasts looking elsewhere and considering other marques. A certain amount of arrogance with Porsche's GT distribution strategy especially as the 991.1 GT3 engine fiasco has not yet run its course in terms of question marks over long-term reliability.

Excuse my ignorance, but do GT cars, particularly the 991.1, carry the same warranty terms as the rest of the 911 range and can the warranties be extended up to 15 years _________________991 Gen 1 C4S PDK Carrara White
Yamaha R1 and BMW R100RS

I'll pay 80 bags (= 2 x trunks) for a GT4 but no more _________________Me? The 13th Duke of Wybourne? Here? In a sixth form girl's dormitory? At three o'clock in the morning? With my reputation? What were they thinking of?

Excuse my ignorance, but do GT cars, particularly the 991.1, carry the same warranty terms as the rest of the 911 range and can the warranties be extended up to 15 years

In UK/Europe : yes. From some things that I have read, I don't think that it is the case globally though._________________Colin

Black 997 GT3 3.8 CS - Acquired for the 2012 season and beyond
Black 996 GT3 Mk2 - Gone, but will never be forgotten

OutliarSpa-Francorchamps

Joined: 04 May 2014Posts: 270Location: Hampshire

Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2017 6:22 pm Post subject:

I can understand your frustrations... I really think this policy will come back to bite Porsche. Judging by these comments the process has started...

Porsche seem to have forgotten that these GT cars only leave a halo over the rest of the marque's range, if people still dream - one day - of owning them. But now that everyone knows they are practically impossible to buy until available second hand at inflated prices, they are just YouTube and forum car p@rn.

It's good for McLaren, so I guess we should all thank them for that.

Checking out the YouTube channel for Harry's Garage last night, I got sucked into watching 2/3 videos more than I'd intended... one was the part 2 story of his replica 993GT2. I think if I had the money for a special car, I'd spend it modifying my 993 into something individual like that. Now that's got me dreaming...._________________1996 993 C4
Ducati 996

SkeltsSilverstone

Joined: 06 Sep 2009Posts: 142

Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2017 11:45 am Post subject:

911TEL wrote:

3 of the cars have less than 500m on the clock but each have had 2 owners ..it just makes a mockery of the whole affair , it's almost as if Porsche Uk are saying that they ( and everyone ) know these cars are at a reasonable price "WE can't have Joe Public getting a good deal" , so they 'buy' the cars themselves ,or the Exec's best pal buys it, then sell it back to the dealership....
If I recall when the 991.1 GT3's were being flipped for decent profit by individuals , there was a noise from dealers saying that these people would not get any further allocation , but the have all these cars on there premises now which are obviously being turned over for the profit that they can reach ....
They are totally complicit in this scam ....

I agree that I think they must be breaching the consumer laws somewhere along the line l is there a challenge to be made in here ?

Skelts ,
Totally agree with your comments on the OPC trade in pricing scam as well , I had the same laughable offer on my 997.2 GT3 they offered around 20 k less than it was worth so I politely declined and went elsewhere also ...( different OPC where decent value given)
I enquired last year about a 991.1 GTS ( new) they had in the showroom , they asked me what I thought my car was worth in the deal (997.2 Turbo S at 7k miles ) i replied that I wanted them to make the offer then we could progress from there ...hum haw .' It's difficult as there are none in the OPC network to compare with ' ,to which I replied , ' yes ,they are quite sought after at the moment ,so what is your offer ?' ...
60k .....!
So the conversation went distinctlySouth where I to.d the smarmy git that he needed to remove his robbing b45tards mask and treat customers as with the respect they deserve and not try to con them out of their cars ....
I still go back to service my cars there but the 'sales exec' doesn't come near me feel I am browsing their stock ...👹👹

There still are no 997.2 Turbo S in their OPC network ....so I am keeping mine .......

Terry

Tel,

Well I'm glade its not just me, I remember the figures exactly. There was an identical car for sale in their own network colour, mileage, etc. identical. I know mine was immaculate, i'm quiet fastidious with my cars so It probably would have been in better condition overall, yet they offered me £20k less than the list on the other car.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on your 997.2 turbo S, I'm possibly about to push the button on purchasing one Monday.

3 of the cars have less than 500m on the clock but each have had 2 owners ..it just makes a mockery of the whole affair , it's almost as if Porsche Uk are saying that they ( and everyone ) know these cars are at a reasonable price "WE can't have Joe Public getting a good deal" , so they 'buy' the cars themselves ,or the Exec's best pal buys it, then sell it back to the dealership....
If I recall when the 991.1 GT3's were being flipped for decent profit by individuals , there was a noise from dealers saying that these people would not get any further allocation , but the have all these cars on there premises now which are obviously being turned over for the profit that they can reach ....
They are totally complicit in this scam ....

I agree that I think they must be breaching the consumer laws somewhere along the line l is there a challenge to be made in here ?

Skelts ,
Totally agree with your comments on the OPC trade in pricing scam as well , I had the same laughable offer on my 997.2 GT3 they offered around 20 k less than it was worth so I politely declined and went elsewhere also ...( different OPC where decent value given)
I enquired last year about a 991.1 GTS ( new) they had in the showroom , they asked me what I thought my car was worth in the deal (997.2 Turbo S at 7k miles ) i replied that I wanted them to make the offer then we could progress from there ...hum haw .' It's difficult as there are none in the OPC network to compare with ' ,to which I replied , ' yes ,they are quite sought after at the moment ,so what is your offer ?' ...
60k .....!
So the conversation went distinctlySouth where I to.d the smarmy git that he needed to remove his robbing b45tards mask and treat customers as with the respect they deserve and not try to con them out of their cars ....
I still go back to service my cars there but the 'sales exec' doesn't come near me feel I am browsing their stock ...👹👹

There still are no 997.2 Turbo S in their OPC network ....so I am keeping mine .......

Terry

Tel,

Well I'm glade its not just me, I remember the figures exactly. There was an identical car for sale in their own network colour, mileage, etc. identical. I know mine was immaculate, i'm quiet fastidious with my cars so It probably would have been in better condition overall, yet they offered me £20k less than the list on the other car.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on your 997.2 turbo S, I'm possibly about to push the button on purchasing one Monday.

Skelts,

If you are considering the Turbo S , I don't think that you will be disappointed mate....!
I find it is probably the most rounded car I could have bought .....I so.d a 997.2 GT3 them bought this .....and that was a great car , but for different reasons ..

It does everything anyone could ask with the greatest degree of ease possible ....it can pootle around town or blast the cobwebs away at the slightest notice ....
It looks fantastic from all angles and gives me a satisfying glow each time I come back to it ...it never ceases to please me ....!

On the road it is so compliant in all modes , ( sport plus aside ,when it's just like Concorde must have been !) ....I find myself finding excuses to take the long way to anywhere I go just to spend longer in it ...
The PDK transforms the car I think...it's so suited to the car. I am a fan of this box rather than the previous tiptronic, I had a turbo tip and couldn't get on with it , but to be honest , I probably didn't give that long enough or try hard enough with it ....

In an effort to make mine a little bit different visually and aurally , I have fitted 19" BBS CHRs which seem to give it a better stance, visually anyway rather than the 5 stud turbo II's wheels ( which I love also), which I prefer to the c/Ls but that is preference ...
I have fitted a Kline inconel exhaust with 200 cel cats to it to try to gain a slightly different , more throaty sound and the Kline has achieved that for me.Having said that, the OEM exhaust sounds pretty good when you give it the beans but somehow I think as its a turbo and the sound is slightly muffled , it's always a quest to try to make it something different.
The only issue I have had since fitting the Kline us that I have had alarms due to efficiency losses twice when pooling along ...I don't think the efficiency is optimum at low cruising speeds, but that may not be the cause but was the common denominator when the alarms registered.
All in all ...I am pleased with the car and haven't missed the GT3 at all on a driving experience PoV as the Turbo suits me better as a DD......

If you buy it , you will not regret it ...I am sure ....

Have a search for recent thread by Pzero..... He has recently purchased an S also ... He has put up a great write up ....

3 of the cars have less than 500m on the clock but each have had 2 owners ..it just makes a mockery of the whole affair , it's almost as if Porsche Uk are saying that they ( and everyone ) know these cars are at a reasonable price "WE can't have Joe Public getting a good deal" , so they 'buy' the cars themselves ,or the Exec's best pal buys it, then sell it back to the dealership....
If I recall when the 991.1 GT3's were being flipped for decent profit by individuals , there was a noise from dealers saying that these people would not get any further allocation , but the have all these cars on there premises now which are obviously being turned over for the profit that they can reach ....
They are totally complicit in this scam ....

I agree that I think they must be breaching the consumer laws somewhere along the line l is there a challenge to be made in here ?

Skelts ,
Totally agree with your comments on the OPC trade in pricing scam as well , I had the same laughable offer on my 997.2 GT3 they offered around 20 k less than it was worth so I politely declined and went elsewhere also ...( different OPC where decent value given)
I enquired last year about a 991.1 GTS ( new) they had in the showroom , they asked me what I thought my car was worth in the deal (997.2 Turbo S at 7k miles ) i replied that I wanted them to make the offer then we could progress from there ...hum haw .' It's difficult as there are none in the OPC network to compare with ' ,to which I replied , ' yes ,they are quite sought after at the moment ,so what is your offer ?' ...
60k .....!
So the conversation went distinctlySouth where I to.d the smarmy git that he needed to remove his robbing b45tards mask and treat customers as with the respect they deserve and not try to con them out of their cars ....
I still go back to service my cars there but the 'sales exec' doesn't come near me feel I am browsing their stock ...👹👹

There still are no 997.2 Turbo S in their OPC network ....so I am keeping mine .......

Terry

Tel,

Well I'm glade its not just me, I remember the figures exactly. There was an identical car for sale in their own network colour, mileage, etc. identical. I know mine was immaculate, i'm quiet fastidious with my cars so It probably would have been in better condition overall, yet they offered me £20k less than the list on the other car.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on your 997.2 turbo S, I'm possibly about to push the button on purchasing one Monday.

Skelts,

If you are considering the Turbo S , I don't think that you will be disappointed mate....!
I find it is probably the most rounded car I could have bought .....I so.d a 997.2 GT3 them bought this .....and that was a great car , but for different reasons ..

It does everything anyone could ask with the greatest degree of ease possible ....it can pootle around town or blast the cobwebs away at the slightest notice ....
It looks fantastic from all angles and gives me a satisfying glow each time I come back to it ...it never ceases to please me ....!

On the road it is so compliant in all modes , ( sport plus aside ,when it's just like Concorde must have been !) ....I find myself finding excuses to take the long way to anywhere I go just to spend longer in it ...
The PDK transforms the car I think...it's so suited to the car. I am a fan of this box rather than the previous tiptronic, I had a turbo tip and couldn't get on with it , but to be honest , I probably didn't give that long enough or try hard enough with it ....

In an effort to make mine a little bit different visually and aurally , I have fitted 19" BBS CHRs which seem to give it a better stance, visually anyway rather than the 5 stud turbo II's wheels ( which I love also), which I prefer to the c/Ls but that is preference ...
I have fitted a Kline inconel exhaust with 200 cel cats to it to try to gain a slightly different , more throaty sound and the Kline has achieved that for me.Having said that, the OEM exhaust sounds pretty good when you give it the beans but somehow I think as its a turbo and the sound is slightly muffled , it's always a quest to try to make it something different.
The only issue I have had since fitting the Kline us that I have had alarms due to efficiency losses twice when pooling along ...I don't think the efficiency is optimum at low cruising speeds, but that may not be the cause but was the common denominator when the alarms registered.
All in all ...I am pleased with the car and haven't missed the GT3 at all on a driving experience PoV as the Turbo suits me better as a DD......

If you buy it , you will not regret it ...I am sure ....

Have a search for recent thread by Pzero..... He has recently purchased an S also ... He has put up a great write up ....

Good luck on Monday mate ....

Terry

Terry,

Thanks for the comments, I'll keep you posted. There are 2 Turbo S cars I'm considering.

jotakingSpa-Francorchamps

Joined: 01 Jun 2012Posts: 271

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:19 am Post subject:

back to the OP...

Just been on the Rennlist site and seen this post regarding allocation!

"I had put three deposits down with three different dealers.
Got a call from two dealers for me to put my spec in. The one dealer I gave a nice spec that I like with white paint. The other dealer I am shooting for the fence. PTS, euro delivery heavy option.
My "plan" is to drive the white one, and IF/WHEN the PTS car comes through at a much later date....I can sell the white one. I got lucky last time with a PTS car, maybe not so much this time.

OH.. both cars at MSRP.

Third dealer crickets."

This just makes my blood boil!!!

BigfraMonza

Joined: 22 Aug 2012Posts: 151

Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:59 am Post subject:

jotaking wrote:

back to the OP...

Just been on the Rennlist site and seen this post regarding allocation!

"I had put three deposits down with three different dealers.
Got a call from two dealers for me to put my spec in. The one dealer I gave a nice spec that I like with white paint. The other dealer I am shooting for the fence. PTS, euro delivery heavy option.
My "plan" is to drive the white one, and IF/WHEN the PTS car comes through at a much later date....I can sell the white one. I got lucky last time with a PTS car, maybe not so much this time.

OH.. both cars at MSRP.

Deffo easier in the states to get one. I am still in limbo at the moment as I have had no phone call to tell me anything yet apart from I'm on the list

3 of the cars have less than 500m on the clock but each have had 2 owners ..it just makes a mockery of the whole affair , it's almost as if Porsche Uk are saying that they ( and everyone ) know these cars are at a reasonable price "WE can't have Joe Public getting a good deal" , so they 'buy' the cars themselves ,or the Exec's best pal buys it, then sell it back to the dealership....
If I recall when the 991.1 GT3's were being flipped for decent profit by individuals , there was a noise from dealers saying that these people would not get any further allocation , but the have all these cars on there premises now which are obviously being turned over for the profit that they can reach ....
They are totally complicit in this scam ....

I agree that I think they must be breaching the consumer laws somewhere along the line l is there a challenge to be made in here ?

Skelts ,
Totally agree with your comments on the OPC trade in pricing scam as well , I had the same laughable offer on my 997.2 GT3 they offered around 20 k less than it was worth so I politely declined and went elsewhere also ...( different OPC where decent value given)
I enquired last year about a 991.1 GTS ( new) they had in the showroom , they asked me what I thought my car was worth in the deal (997.2 Turbo S at 7k miles ) i replied that I wanted them to make the offer then we could progress from there ...hum haw .' It's difficult as there are none in the OPC network to compare with ' ,to which I replied , ' yes ,they are quite sought after at the moment ,so what is your offer ?' ...
60k .....!
So the conversation went distinctlySouth where I to.d the smarmy git that he needed to remove his robbing b45tards mask and treat customers as with the respect they deserve and not try to con them out of their cars ....
I still go back to service my cars there but the 'sales exec' doesn't come near me feel I am browsing their stock ...👹👹

There still are no 997.2 Turbo S in their OPC network ....so I am keeping mine .......

Terry

Tel,

Well I'm glade its not just me, I remember the figures exactly. There was an identical car for sale in their own network colour, mileage, etc. identical. I know mine was immaculate, i'm quiet fastidious with my cars so It probably would have been in better condition overall, yet they offered me £20k less than the list on the other car.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on your 997.2 turbo S, I'm possibly about to push the button on purchasing one Monday.

Skelts,

If you are considering the Turbo S , I don't think that you will be disappointed mate....!
I find it is probably the most rounded car I could have bought .....I so.d a 997.2 GT3 them bought this .....and that was a great car , but for different reasons ..

It does everything anyone could ask with the greatest degree of ease possible ....it can pootle around town or blast the cobwebs away at the slightest notice ....
It looks fantastic from all angles and gives me a satisfying glow each time I come back to it ...it never ceases to please me ....!

On the road it is so compliant in all modes , ( sport plus aside ,when it's just like Concorde must have been !) ....I find myself finding excuses to take the long way to anywhere I go just to spend longer in it ...
The PDK transforms the car I think...it's so suited to the car. I am a fan of this box rather than the previous tiptronic, I had a turbo tip and couldn't get on with it , but to be honest , I probably didn't give that long enough or try hard enough with it ....

In an effort to make mine a little bit different visually and aurally , I have fitted 19" BBS CHRs which seem to give it a better stance, visually anyway rather than the 5 stud turbo II's wheels ( which I love also), which I prefer to the c/Ls but that is preference ...
I have fitted a Kline inconel exhaust with 200 cel cats to it to try to gain a slightly different , more throaty sound and the Kline has achieved that for me.Having said that, the OEM exhaust sounds pretty good when you give it the beans but somehow I think as its a turbo and the sound is slightly muffled , it's always a quest to try to make it something different.
The only issue I have had since fitting the Kline us that I have had alarms due to efficiency losses twice when pooling along ...I don't think the efficiency is optimum at low cruising speeds, but that may not be the cause but was the common denominator when the alarms registered.
All in all ...I am pleased with the car and haven't missed the GT3 at all on a driving experience PoV as the Turbo suits me better as a DD......

If you buy it , you will not regret it ...I am sure ....

Have a search for recent thread by Pzero..... He has recently purchased an S also ... He has put up a great write up ....

Good luck on Monday mate ....

Terry

Terry,

Thanks for the comments, I'll keep you posted. There are 2 Turbo S cars I'm considering.

Pics will be good if you pull the trigger on it .....I'll put a bet on that if you test drive ... you buy ..!!
Get it in sport plus on open clear road then 'push to go'....... intoxicating .....

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