Re: After checking the elegibility protocols of the US Navy "Burial at Sea" ritual, I gotta ask: Was Osama Bin Laden a US official?

Maybe it was "Burial at Sea" ritual for someone else? like oh say Jackie Cooper

Cooper died on May 3, 2011 after a short illness, in Santa Monica, California

Cooper served in the United States Navy during World War II and remained active in the reserves for the next several decades, reaching the rank of Captain.[9] He was married three times: first to June Horne from 1944 until 1949, with whom he had one son, John "Jack" Cooper III (born 1946). He was married to Hildy Parks from 1950 until 1951 and to Barbara Kraus from 1954 until her death in 2009. Cooper and Kraus had three children—Russell (born 1956), Julie (1957–1997) and Cristina (1959–2009).[citation needed]

Cooper participated in several automobile racing events, including the record-breaking class D cars at the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah. He also drove in several SCCA road racing competitions. Cooper was named the honorary starter for the 1976 Winston 500 at the Alabama International Motor Speedway, which is now known as Talladega Superspeedway, in Talladega, Alabama.[12]

Cooper's autobiography, Please Don't Shoot My Dog, was published in 1982. The title refers to an incident during the filming of Skippy. Norman Taurog, while directing Jackie Cooper in a crying scene, ordered a security guard to take away his dog and pretend to shoot him backstage. This resulted in genuine tears, however even after Cooper found out that his dog was fine, he was left with ill feelings towards his uncle.[6] Cooper has a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, at 1501 Vine Street. yes that sounds more like it .. So where is Osama then ...HHHMMMM Maybe he already died years ago or maybe he is still In the middle east...Or In Washington or maybe just maybe There never was a real Osama? we may never know

Re: After checking the elegibility protocols of the US Navy "Burial at Sea" ritual, I gotta ask: Was Osama Bin Laden a US official?

According to the official version, he was "buried" at the sea with a Muslim ceremony, what definitely makes no sense as long as he was the official #1 enemy of America. If he was executed by the Seals and afterwards his body looked like a rag doll, why the ruthless US military would give a flying fuck to give him a proper Muslim burial??

Oh, the official explanation was "to prevent the rage of Muslims". Really???

Ok, yet according to the article, the Muslim burial was conducted by an AMERICAN official, translated by a "native speaker":

(...)According to another message from the USS Carl Vinson aircraft carrier's public affairs officer, only a small group of the ship's leadership was informed of the burial.

'Traditional procedures for Islamic burial was followed,' the May 2 email from Rear Admiral Charles Gaouette reads. 'The deceased's body was washed (ablution) then placed in a white sheet.

'The body was placed in a weighted bag. A military officer read prepared religious remarks, which were translated into Arabic by a native speaker. After the words were complete, the body was placed on a prepared flat board, tipped up, whereupon the deceased's body slid into the sea.'

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Re: After checking the elegibility protocols of the US Navy "Burial at Sea" ritual, I gotta ask: Was Osama Bin Laden a US official?

But the fact is that sea burials are strictly forbidden by Islam, except in VERY rare cases if it's IMPOSSIBLE by any means to return the dead body to land:

Rules About Burial of the Dead Body

620. It is obligatory to bury a dead body in the ground, so deep that its smell does not come out and the beasts of prey do not dig it out, and, if there is a danger of such beasts digging it out then the grave should be made solid with bricks, etc.

621. If it is not possible to bury a dead body in the ground, it may be kept in a vault or a coffin, instead.

622. The dead body should be laid in the grave on its right side so that the face remains towards the Qibla.

623. If a person dies on a ship and if there is no fear of the decay of the dead body and if there is no problem in retaining it for sometime on the ship, it should be kept on it and buried in the ground after reaching the land. Otherwise, after giving Ghusl, Hunut, Kafan and Namaz-e-Mayyit it should be lowered into the sea in a vessel of clay or with a weight tied to its feet. And as far as possible it should not be lowered at a point where it is eaten up immediately by the sea predators.

624. If it is feared that an enemy may dig up the grave and exhume the dead body and amputate its ears or nose or other limbs, it should be lowered into sea, if possible, as stated in the foregoing rule.

Sea burials are not allowed by Islam, let alone in a ceremony carried by the enemy, so whatever ritual was done to Bin Laden in the USS Carl Vinson, theoretically it was absolutely pointless, UNLESS it was NOT a Muslim ceremony...

According to the alleged secret emails, only a very select group of officials were allowed to watch Bin Laden's burial. Why???

Did the US Navy lower his body in the sea with a secret military ceremony?? If so, it was a HUGE breach in the eligibility protocols of the own US Navy, UNLESS he was on service of the US government.

Quoting: UndercoverAlien

Islam does indeed allow burial at sea as you may read above.

The US officer who "made religious remarks" may have been a Muslim, possibly a chaplain. It seems to me they wanted the "religious remarks" pronunced by a practicing Muslim and a native Arabic speaker.

Not that any of this matters. That wasn't Osama in that sack.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28299700

We're reading different things! The protocols for Muslim funerals clearly state that the body HAS TO BE BURIED IN THE GROUND, and sea burials only apply to exceptional cases when the person dies in the sea (not BL's case) and there are no means to return the body to land.

The official who made the bogus ritual was NOT a Muslim otherwise there would be no use for a translator, obviously.

And, that TOTALLY matters because a secret sea burial that breached both Muslims and US Navy protocols was carried out.

Trying to explain what happened based in all versions given by the US military is like trying to contain a cracking dam with your fingers.

Quoting: UndercoverAlien

Do we agree that Osama was not buried at sea that day? We were told a big old whopper lie. So there was not burial at sea, military or Islamic or military and Islamic.

All I was trying to say is that it is possible for a Muslim to be appropriately Islamically buried by the US military. The person who washes the body has to be a Muslim who knows the protocol. The blessing must be said by a Muslim. What I imagine is that they had a Muslim who knew the blessing who didn't speak Arabic. They also had a native Arabic speaker who wasn't a Muslim or didn't know the prayers. So the religious Muslim said the blessing or prayer and the Arabic speaker translated into Arabic.

Re: After checking the elegibility protocols of the US Navy "Burial at Sea" ritual, I gotta ask: Was Osama Bin Laden a US official?

I saw this article about alleged secret emails depicting details of Bin Laden's sea burial, and everything told and "revealed" about it so far, smells a lot of shenanigans.

Secret internal emails reveal Osama bin Laden was washed, wrapped in a sheet and slid into the sea for his burial in accordance with Islamic burial tradition - and no sailors saw it.

The heavily blacked out emails sent between U.S. military officers were obtained through the Freedom of Information Act and are the first public disclosure of government information about the al Qaida leader's death(...)

I checked the US Navy eligibility protocols for the "Burial at Sea" ceremony and this is what it says:

BURIAL AT SEA (BAS) is a means of final disposition of remains, that is performed on United States Naval vessels. The committal ceremony is performed while the ship is deployed, therefore, family members are not allowed to be present. The commanding officer of the ship assigned to perform the ceremony will make notification to the family of the date, time, latitude and longitude, once the committal service has been completed.

Eligibility: Individuals eligible for this program are: (1) active duty members of the uniformed services; (2) retirees and veterans who were honorably discharged. (3) U.S. civilian marine personnel of the Military Sealift Command; and (4) dependent family members of active duty personnel, retirees, and veterans of the uniformed services.

So according to the US Navy rules, Bin Laden was NOT eligible for such ceremony, or was he?

Quoting: UndercoverAlien

He did not get the Official Burial At Sea Ceremony performed by the US military...I saw his sheet covered body thrown off of a smaller fishing vessel (kind of like a jonboat) and no ceremony took place. They threw him off like he was a dead fish. There was no honor bestowed to him at all.

End of story...the military only honored the Muslim tradition of putting the body to sea. They said no prayers, they threw him overboard like the heap of trash he was.

I saw this video in the Navy Seal movie, which is on Netflix by the way.

Re: After checking the elegibility protocols of the US Navy "Burial at Sea" ritual, I gotta ask: Was Osama Bin Laden a US official?

Can we say Cover -up?

Quoting: NightWisp

Thats just plain creepy. Wtf?

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Re: After checking the elegibility protocols of the US Navy "Burial at Sea" ritual, I gotta ask: Was Osama Bin Laden a US official?

Here's something else I just dug up which is kind of interesting. The US Navy is not the government agency that has laws regarding burials at sea. Everyone's favorite environmental agency does as well.

I would imagine since the UN has their grubby little fingers in every cookie jar they can get their hands on, they probably also have some treaty or something about burial in international waters.

Here is part of US Code 40 CFR 229.1

(1) Except as herein otherwise provided, human remains shall be prepared for burial at sea and shall be buried in accordance with accepted practices and requirements as may be deemed appropriate and desirable by the United States Navy, United States Coast Guard, or civil authority charged with the responsibility for making such arrangements;(2) Burial at sea of human remains which are not cremated shall take place no closer than 3 nautical miles from land and in water no less than one hundred fathoms (six hundred feet) deep and in no less than three hundred fathoms (eighteen hundred feet) from (i) 27°30&#8242;00&#8243; to 31°00&#8242;00&#8243; North Latitude off St. Augustine and Cape Canaveral, Florida; (ii) 82°20&#8242;00&#8243; to 84°00&#8242;00&#8243; West Longitude off Dry Tortugas, Florida; and (iii) 87°15&#8242;00&#8243; to 89°50&#8242;00&#8243; West Longitude off the Mississippi River Delta, Louisiana, to Pensacola, Florida. All necessary measures shall be taken to ensure that the remains sink to the bottom rapidly and permanently; and(3) Cremated remains shall be buried in or on ocean waters without regard to the depth limitations specified in paragraph (a)(2) of this section provided that such burial shall take place no closer than 3 nautical miles from land.

Re: After checking the elegibility protocols of the US Navy "Burial at Sea" ritual, I gotta ask: Was Osama Bin Laden a US official?

I saw this article about alleged secret emails depicting details of Bin Laden's sea burial, and everything told and "revealed" about it so far, smells a lot of shenanigans.

Secret internal emails reveal Osama bin Laden was washed, wrapped in a sheet and slid into the sea for his burial in accordance with Islamic burial tradition - and no sailors saw it.

The heavily blacked out emails sent between U.S. military officers were obtained through the Freedom of Information Act and are the first public disclosure of government information about the al Qaida leader's death(...)

I checked the US Navy eligibility protocols for the "Burial at Sea" ceremony and this is what it says:

BURIAL AT SEA (BAS) is a means of final disposition of remains, that is performed on United States Naval vessels. The committal ceremony is performed while the ship is deployed, therefore, family members are not allowed to be present. The commanding officer of the ship assigned to perform the ceremony will make notification to the family of the date, time, latitude and longitude, once the committal service has been completed.

Eligibility: Individuals eligible for this program are: (1) active duty members of the uniformed services; (2) retirees and veterans who were honorably discharged. (3) U.S. civilian marine personnel of the Military Sealift Command; and (4) dependent family members of active duty personnel, retirees, and veterans of the uniformed services.

Re: After checking the elegibility protocols of the US Navy "Burial at Sea" ritual, I gotta ask: Was Osama Bin Laden a US official?

The reason is to prevent an exhumation of the body which is the same reason JFK Jr. was buried at sea. Dead men tell no tales.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15826044

Ok, no questions about it, but what I'm saying is: If it was just about dumping the body at the sea, why bother in carry out a secret ceremony???

Quoting: UndercoverAlien

They had to announce that the body was gone. They had to explain why no one could identify the body--it had been buried at sea.

They also had to keep up the pretense that Osama had been alive and leading a worldwide Muslim terror movement. So they had to publicly announce that Osama had received an Islamic burial.

There was no ceremony, just the announcement of the ceremony--just because they are lying liars doesn't mean they have no shame--the world must know they treated the imaginary corpse of the imaginary enemy with respect and religious sensitivity.

Re: After checking the elegibility protocols of the US Navy "Burial at Sea" ritual, I gotta ask: Was Osama Bin Laden a US official?

I think he is alive.

Quoting: anonimalle

Since people keep seeing him in Miami I think he is alive, retired and playing golf.That said, the whole symbolic burial at sea thing was quite confusing. What did they want the American people to take away from this?We kill him, then we dump him in the water? We don't have a tradition of this sort of thing, we might as well have shot him into space or said nothing about the disposition of his remains.

I heard that they didn't want him buried on land in fear that people would make his grave a holy site. People would pay tribute to a fallen martyer.

"If bin Laden were to be buried on land it would have thrown up the possibility of the place of burial being turned into a sort of shrine by Islamists. Also, there would be the problem of finding a country willing to accept the remains of the world's most wanted terrorist.

However, the possibility of his burial place becoming a place of worship may not have proved true since the Wahabi school to which bin Laden belongs, explicitly bars such practices and even monarchs and emperors belonging to that conservative section of Islam are buried in unmarked graves"

"The late King Fahd's funeral may have come as something of a shock to those unfamiliar with Saudi religious practices. One of the world's wealthiest and most extravagant monarchs - who in life resided in a string of lavish palaces - was buried in an unmarked grave in a public cemetery.

After a 23-year rule, there was no mourning period in Fahd's homeland, government offices stayed open and flags remained at full mast"

Re: After checking the elegibility protocols of the US Navy "Burial at Sea" ritual, I gotta ask: Was Osama Bin Laden a US official?

They even play the Soviet national anthem for them, in a ceremony that in total secrecy was never supposed to be revealed to the world.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 589518

Sport, do you REALLY think that the US and Soviet governments were enemies?? Do you REALLY believe in the whole cold-war shenanigans, or you realize it was all made up by Americans and Russians to justify the mass production of nuke weapons that were meant not to each other, but to a COMMON enemy from outer space???