Sweet, now even easier to totally f**** up the entire lake, instead of just one side.
Wakesurfing = rollerbalding, razor scootering, bodysurfing.....get over it people, or just go tubing like you used to.

Slalom skiing is the only way to leave the lake nice and calm. You might as well sell your boat and get on with life...

I just saw that episode 2 video, I had NO idea this was what they were going to show, but we just did this for fun on our Z3. Side to side in seconds, I will post video. We were just messing around, but it looked great.

We ride on a small lake, if there are a couple wakeboats who somewhat know how to drive we can still get good water. Throw one wakesurfer on the lake and the whole thing is bumped out in 10 minutes. Tottal disrespect, no better/worse than getting 'snaked' when real surfing.

On a good note I have heard there is legislation being proposed with mandatory rope lengths due to the dangers of riding too close to the boat. Makes sense to me.

On a good note I have heard there is legislation being proposed with mandatory rope lengths due to the dangers of riding too close to the boat. Makes sense to me.

I'm sure there are more injuries related to wakeboarding, skiing, and tubing than surfing. If somebody is an idiot to surf behind an outboard or sterndrive AND get injured or killed...blame the boat operator. What state are you referring to when you say "legislation" because it's not federal I'm sure.

I'm sure there are more injuries related to wakeboarding, skiing, and tubing than surfing. If somebody is an idiot to surf behind an outboard or sterndrive AND get injured or killed...blame the boat operator. What state are you referring to when you say "legislation" because it's not federal I'm sure.

There is no doubt more people get hurt wakeboarding than surfing. Most people are switching to surfing because it is easier on the body.

I would think that you being in the whole wakesurf scene would be ontop of all latest and greatest regarding what competitors are putting in/using.. This isnt new news, where are you getting your info from LOL

I would think that you being in the whole wakesurf scene would be ontop of all latest and greatest regarding what competitors are putting in/using.. This isnt new news, where are you getting your info from LOL

Maybe I spoke/typed unclearly. I meant on the centurions I have seen, the "quickfill" was not all the way on the sides, more in the middle. I am sure it still works very well, but having quickfill ballast like that all the way in the corner seems like it would be much better for wakesurfing. If all things were equal between 2 boats, and one's tanks were more in the middle, and the other on the outside, I would think I would want the ones with the outside tanks, that is all I was saying. Then again, if the demo showed the best wake from the ones in the inside, who would care, right?

I do try to keep up on all of it, but honestly, so many boats and stuff going on, stuff can slip through the cracks.

dont centurions have pretty deep v bottoms in comparison? even if the ballast tanks are not as far to the sides as MB or whatever it would significantly affect the boat's ability to lean over still... BUT then again i don't wake surf and can count how many boat shows i have been to on one hand

As for the surf gate, if it is like the pics and patent shown on the first page of the thread, it reminds me of the flow through tail holes that were experimented with on those early year 2000 wakeboards. i think it was J-star and or Gator that used them. they were short lived and almost unseen... like the byerly "can-opener" board on steroids

Ragboy "was not all the way on the sides, more in the middle"
Did you miss the picture I posted??
not sure how you can say the tanks are more to the middle
all of theCenturions that have the quick fill tanks are in the back on each side

Maybe I spoke/typed unclearly. I meant on the centurions I have seen, the "quickfill" was not all the way on the sides, more in the middle. I am sure it still works very well, but having quickfill ballast like that all the way in the corner seems like it would be much better for wakesurfing. If all things were equal between 2 boats, and one's tanks were more in the middle, and the other on the outside, I would think I would want the ones with the outside tanks, that is all I was saying. Then again, if the demo showed the best wake from the ones in the inside, who would care, right?

I do try to keep up on all of it, but honestly, so many boats and stuff going on, stuff can slip through the cracks.

Seriously, what are you talking about. The only thing towards the middle of my 244 is the engine/gas tank/center ballast. Have you actually lifted up the engine compartment and taken a look? Here, I will post Kevin's pick of an Enzo hull again. Please take a look at where the quick fill tanks are (the two things on both sides of the engine) and let me know how much farther to the side they are suppose to be.

I was in a dealership with a rep, he showed em to me. It wasn't a big deal, and it didn't "bother" me or anything, it was just an observation. It could be the rep was wrong, it wouldn't be the first time I have asked a manufacturer rep a question, not just centurion, and they got it wrong. Or did they move farther out in 2012?

Either way, it was just an observation that the farther out the better, and if they are all the way out on the enzo, that's great. But the rep went to the back of the boat, and showed me the inlets and also described the locations of the tanks.

I was in a dealership with a rep, he showed em to me. It wasn't a big deal, and it didn't "bother" me or anything, it was just an observation. It could be the rep was wrong, it wouldn't be the first time I have asked a manufacturer rep a question, not just centurion, and they got it wrong. Or did they move farther out in 2012?

Either way, it was just an observation that the farther out the better, and if they are all the way out on the enzo, that's great. But the rep went to the back of the boat, and showed me the inlets and also described the locations of the tanks.

You have 3 choices... Strbrd side, Middle, Port side...Where..Where "more in the middle" are you gonna put all that ballast? Engine...Middle, Gas tank,,,Middle, Vdrive and other mechanical shiz....Middle Now where more in the middle where you thinkin? LOL Cmon Garcia I give you more credit than this to think where its all gonna have to go. You never have been accurate on Enzos

Seriously, what are you talking about. The only thing towards the middle of my 244 is the engine/gas tank/center ballast. Have you actually lifted up the engine compartment and taken a look? Here, I will post Kevin's pick of an Enzo hull again. Please take a look at where the quick fill tanks are (the two things on both sides of the engine) and let me know how much farther to the side they are suppose to be.

I do like the fact that its on the outside of the boat, so its in the perfect spot for wakesurfing. That is the one thing that never turned me on with the purevert systems in the centurion or MB, they are more towards the inside. If this was 500 lbs in that corner, super efficient wakesurf ballast.

You have no idea what you are talking about, the tank area is outlined in the image below for the quickfill/purevert tanks on the centurion hull, if you take into account the profile of the hull you could not get the tanks any closer to the side of the boat, you want sacs under your seat why would you not want them under the floor of the seat base? For wakeboarding flip two switches, wait thirty seconds and you have 500lbs. on each side for 1,000lbs. total. For surfing flip the switch on the side you want to add to and 30 seconds later you have 500lbs. on that side. Although I am sure you are much happier waiting for your tige to load the ballast tank with a pump.

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Maybe I spoke/typed unclearly. I meant on the centurions I have seen, the "quickfill" was not all the way on the sides, more in the middle. I am sure it still works very well, but having quickfill ballast like that all the way in the corner seems like it would be much better for wakesurfing. If all things were equal between 2 boats, and one's tanks were more in the middle, and the other on the outside, I would think I would want the ones with the outside tanks, that is all I was saying. Then again, if the demo showed the best wake from the ones in the inside, who would care, right?

I do try to keep up on all of it, but honestly, so many boats and stuff going on, stuff can slip through the cracks.

Again more propaganda trying to put Centurion in a negative light since tige does not offer the convenience of Quickfill/Purevert if they did you would be broadcasting that it was the best thing since sliced bread. Funny thing is you are saying the Centurions you have seen have the tanks towards the center but, the picture above shows the only mold they use and you can clearly see that the orange line or center of the boat shows the tanks as far away as they can be. Tell me how you can even see where the tanks are located in the Centurions you have seen considering the tanks are under the floor, again propaganda.

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I was in a dealership with a rep, he showed em to me. It wasn't a big deal, and it didn't "bother" me or anything, it was just an observation. It could be the rep was wrong, it wouldn't be the first time I have asked a manufacturer rep a question, not just centurion, and they got it wrong. Or did they move farther out in 2012?

Either way, it was just an observation that the farther out the better, and if they are all the way out on the enzo, that's great. But the rep went to the back of the boat, and showed me the inlets and also described the locations of the tanks.

They did not move further out, again you could not have seen them under the floor to begin with unless that "rep" split the deck from the lower hull and was holding it up for you to see under it. The tanks are as far to the outside of the boat as possible, it would make no sense for them not to be, of course unless you were trying to start a rumor right?

Not at all, just tired of the propaganda he spreads about other boat brands not just Centurion. Keep in mind that you may not be taken in by his slant on things not Tige but, the person that is new to WW looking at boats and the users here for advice might be, just presenting the facts.

I got the email of the 2nd video . It doesn't show anything more than the first . I'm not sure what they are trying to do with the delayed introduction . Trying to build hype I guess I'm not all that interested. I'm not planning on a new wakeboat and dont have any problems with wakesurfing now. I would like to see the new Supra coming out maybe a Mojo clone?

Sweet, now even easier to totally f**** up the entire lake, instead of just one side.
Wakesurfing = rollerbalding, razor scootering, bodysurfing.....get over it people, or just go tubing like you used to.

Not at all, just tired of the propaganda he spreads about other boat brands not just Centurion. Keep in mind that you may not be taken in by his slant on things not Tige but, the person that is new to WW looking at boats and the users here for advice might be, just presenting the facts.

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I agree with both of you guys. I don't think that they are in the "center" of the boat but it is also plain as day that they are not in the back corner of the rig like a sack ina locker is.

I'm staying out of your little Tige vs. Centurion/MB pissing match - but there is some validity to both sides.

looks like they will be running it for the red bull wake open this weekend. haven't seen anything on their website yet. of course everyone on wakeworld is aware, but otherwise it seems like malibu is doing a poor job at marketing this new feature.

looks like they will be running it for the red bull wake open this weekend. haven't seen anything on their website yet. of course everyone on wakeworld is aware, but otherwise it seems like malibu is doing a poor job at marketing this new feature.

did one of those videos say the average time to switch sides to surf is 40 minutes? The competition needs to jump on that. It takes us about the same time for one surfer to finish and the next to be ready to go, about 4 minutes i'd guess. Thats on the rare occasion someone wants to surf goofy.

Pretty neat. Selectively push the boat sideways. For Brian to switch across the boat needed to switch across the gates at the same time. Hmm, I wonder if a tracking device for the rider is in the works.

I saw a video of a surfer going wake to wake like Brian Grubb did over a week ago on a Tige Z3. No Surfgate necessary.I don't know when Brian did his transfer but it has been done already on other boats. So game changer I don't think ? Something new attempted maybe closer to the truth. Don't get me wrong I'm not knocking it I think it's a great idea,but other boats can duplicate it without the Surfgate.

Clean doesn't equal push. I've seen some tall clean waves that didn't have as much push as smaller less clean waves. I still think it's a great idea,but would have to try it myself to see how effective it really is.

You guys are missing the main points... What the video lacks is information... the system is AMAZING...Safer, tons more comfortable, easier, etc....

The boat does not have to be leaned.... It drives completely flat and straight... So the difficult turns with a weighted boat are no longer an issue... Picking up a rider is safer (you have much more control than with a listed boat) any driver can pull a surfer. No more pulling up to the dock to take a break and having to worry about the weight causing issues when trying to dock (for not so good drivers) I'm sure everyone who have wake surfed have banged the dock pretty hard.

ALSO, The weight can now be distributed throughout the boat as you please... you don't have to put it all in one corner... Your crew can sit anywhere... No more uncomfortable cramming in the corner. I know I HATED that part... No more of the "Move over to the right a little more, move back some"... Now that it doesn't just have to be on one side, you can slam the boat even more... Instead of just 500 lbs in the right rear locker , you can now have 500 lbs in both lockers, getting the boat deeper and causing a bigger wave, etc.

No more having to drain sacks in the lockers when you want to switch riders. If one surfer rides regular and the other rides goofy, all you have to do is flip the switch.... No more draining, shifting bag sides and re-filling....

i saw a video of a surfer going wake to wake like brian grubb did over a week ago on a tige z3. No surfgate necessary.i don't know when brian did his transfer but it has been done already on other boats. So game changer i don't think ? Something new attempted maybe closer to the truth. Don't get me wrong i'm not knocking it i think it's a great idea,but other boats can duplicate it without the surfgate.

I saw a video of a surfer going wake to wake like Brian Grubb did over a week ago on a Tige Z3. No Surfgate necessary.I don't know when Brian did his transfer but it has been done already on other boats. So game changer I don't think ? Something new attempted maybe closer to the truth. Don't get me wrong I'm not knocking it I think it's a great idea,but other boats can duplicate it without the Surfgate.

Yes you are... that much is obvious. Your motive is transparent to all.

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Clean doesn't equal push. I've seen some tall clean waves that didn't have as much push as smaller less clean waves. I still think it's a great idea,but would have to try it myself to see how effective it really is.

Yes, please go demo it and write up a review. We're all dying to know what you think of it. I'll wait anxiously for your throughts and a complete comparison to the greatest surf machine ever built... the Tige RZ2.

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Adam have you ridden the wave? Or are you a kool-aid drinker?

This statement is dripping with irony. Robert, aren't you like the biggest kool-aid drinker on the forum? Or did mhunter take that crown from you?

You guys are missing the main points... What the video lacks is information... the system is AMAZING...Safer, tons more comfortable, easier, etc....

The boat does not have to be leaned.... It drives completely flat and straight... So the difficult turns with a weighted boat are no longer an issue... Picking up a rider is safer (you have much more control than with a listed boat) any driver can pull a surfer. No more pulling up to the dock to take a break and having to worry about the weight causing issues when trying to dock (for not so good drivers) I'm sure everyone who have wake surfed have banged the dock pretty hard.

ALSO, The weight can now be distributed throughout the boat as you please... you don't have to put it all in one corner... Your crew can sit anywhere... No more uncomfortable cramming in the corner. I know I HATED that part... No more of the "Move over to the right a little more, move back some"... Now that it doesn't just have to be on one side, you can slam the boat even more... Instead of just 500 lbs in the right rear locker , you can now have 500 lbs in both lockers, getting the boat deeper and causing a bigger wave, etc.

No more having to drain sacks in the lockers when you want to switch riders. If one surfer rides regular and the other rides goofy, all you have to do is flip the switch.... No more draining, shifting bag sides and re-filling....

It IS a game changer. No doubt about it.

i haven't rode or seen it but this is the points that i was thinking about as well. i showed my wife the video and her eyes lit up and she said "now we can surf with out all the time and hassle it takes to get the boat weighted and set up" that tells me its a game changer and i may have a boat payment next year.

just a thought, malibu could have a button where both tabs come out and you would have brakes as well. lol

To answer a couple of points Adam is a marketing guy,his job is to sell the sizzle! I just got done surfing behind a Tige Z3. It was weighted as follows front 400 lbs full on both sides .Surf side rear 100% full 600lbs .Off side rear 25% full. I surfed both sides and it had tons of push even 12' behind the boat.It took apprx 5-6 minutes to switch sides and that's without a transfer pump. The boat had a 5 to 7 degree list,you could hardly tell it was surf weighted. The off side was washed a bit but looked surf ready. I'm not skilled enough to transfer from one wake to the other,but how many people are? As far as docking I don't know anyone who docks surf weighted. As far as the bs line no more pulling up to the dock weighted,didn't he say his boat was weighted evenly? Now that some of the sizzle is gone consider how much drad(poor fuel economy) this system creates. Secondly how many people would actually want to switch sides in seconds,since their usually switching riders.These are legit questions and facts.Now let the beatings continue!

Cwb4me- you miss the whole point of this thread. This boat is not about tige or traditional boat ballast systems. We know the traditional pump systems work great. This thread however is about a whole new kind of sytem to create a surf able wave. All boats create drag especially ones filled with heavy ballast systems. Yes this system might have flaws but we don't know that yet all your doing is speculating. Through failure comes progression and props to Malibu for not being afraid o try something new and outside the box.

So, how do you go from wakeboarding to wakesurfing in seconds? This whole thing still doesn't make 100% sense in my head. When I wakeboard, I don't have 1000 lbs. on one side. I have 1500 lbs. across an 8 foot beam in the back, and depending on whose boat I maybe have a total of 400 lbs in each rear locker. Then I have 650 lbs. in the middle of the boat, and maybe an additional 300 lbs. even across the bow. If I have that weight when I wakeboard, and then I drop to surfing speed, the surf wake is quite disappointing because I don't have that much list to a boat. These tabs make the wake long, and help push it out. These tabs do not drop the boat deeper in the water, or create more depth displacement. I do not see how this will make a wave with more & better push when running with wakeboard weight. I see it greatly helping with shape and length, however, I don't see this actually making the transition from wakeboarding to wakesurfing in a matter of seconds/the time it takes to adjust perfect pass.

To answer a couple of points Adam is a marketing guy,his job is to sell the sizzle! I just got done surfing behind a Tige Z3. It was weighted as follows front 400 lbs full on both sides .Surf side rear 100% full 600lbs .Off side rear 25% full. I surfed both sides and it had tons of push even 12' behind the boat.It took apprx 5-6 minutes to switch sides and that's without a transfer pump. The boat had a 5 to 7 degree list,you could hardly tell it was surf weighted. The off side was washed a bit but looked surf ready. I'm not skilled enough to transfer from one wake to the other,but how many people are? As far as docking I don't know anyone who docks surf weighted. As far as the bs line no more pulling up to the dock weighted,didn't he say his boat was weighted evenly? Now that some of the sizzle is gone consider how much drad(poor fuel economy) this system creates. Secondly how many people would actually want to switch sides in seconds,since their usually switching riders.These are legit questions and facts.Now let the beatings continue!

Don't fall while your reaching...

Do you get paid by Tige? If so, I'm curious if they realize you damage the brand more on these boards than you help.

So, how do you go from wakeboarding to wakesurfing in seconds? This whole thing still doesn't make 100% sense in my head. When I wakeboard, I don't have 1000 lbs. on one side. I have 1500 lbs. across an 8 foot beam in the back, and depending on whose boat I maybe have a total of 400 lbs in each rear locker. Then I have 650 lbs. in the middle of the boat, and maybe an additional 300 lbs. even across the bow. If I have that weight when I wakeboard, and then I drop to surfing speed, the surf wake is quite disappointing because I don't have that much list to a boat. These tabs make the wake long, and help push it out. These tabs do not drop the boat deeper in the water, or create more depth displacement. I do not see how this will make a wave with more & better push when running with wakeboard weight. I see it greatly helping with shape and length, however, I don't see this actually making the transition from wakeboarding to wakesurfing in a matter of seconds/the time it takes to adjust perfect pass.

Sounded like grubb or someone in the last video said it was "stock ballast only" plus the surf gate. So I am assuming its 1250 lbs unless the 2013 stock ballast has increased from 2012. So if thats true, then that wave was very nice for only having 1250 lbs in it. If you hit the switch to put the surf gate back to neutral or whatever for wakeboarding, then you will have your wakeboarding wake with stock ballast in seconds. I am sure the idea is to weight your boat for wakeboarding, then if you want to surf, add the gate to your side. Not sure how good the surf wave will be by adding the gates if you are running 4k lbs for wakeboarding, that remains to be seen.

and robert, how many people want to switch sides while riding? probably a lot, but even if nobody wants to do that, it would be great to be able to switch riders in a few seconds and still be able to switch sides. I don't surf, but my buddies that do HATE having to change sides due to pumps and bags and such. This product claims to eliminate that, you should be happy, maybe the 2014 tiges will get "surf tabs" just like it.

Sounded like grubb or someone in the last video said it was "stock ballast only" plus the surf gate. So I am assuming its 1250 lbs unless the 2013 stock ballast has increased from 2012. So if thats true, then that wave was very nice for only having 1250 lbs in it. If you hit the switch to put the surf gate back to neutral or whatever for wakeboarding, then you will have your wakeboarding wake with stock ballast in seconds. I am sure the idea is to weight your boat for wakeboarding, then if you want to surf, add the gate to your side. Not sure how good the surf wave will be by adding the gates if you are running 4k lbs for wakeboarding, that remains to be seen.

I am guessing that its stock ballast plus the wedge and a couple of guys on the boat. Not sure if my point came across as clearly as I wanted, but when I surf we put an enzo sac in plus some weight in the bow or underneath compartments depending on the boat. So we end up running stock (1250 lbs. depending on the boat) + another 1600-2000 lbs on one side. I would never wakeboard like that, so maybe this is something that is useful for the average joe who likes stock ballast and doesn't like to complicate things? To me it just seems that anyone who is really into surfing or really into wakeboarding that this is good for shape and length, but is not "game-changing" for those of us that really like to dial our setups in (nor is it a few second switch).

I guess I shouldn't have used the T word because now you guys are missing my point.
1 This boat is weighted-So you have to drain it to dock unweighted.
2 This boat creates drag to produce it's surf wake-this is much more drag than a weighted boat which means it uses more fuel.
3 Different boats don't have to be listed heavily to produce a nice wake- So those boats aren't hard to drive and retrieve riders.
4 I said it was a good idea- I was just pointing out it's not for everybody. Not everyone is going to go out and buy a new boat to switch surfers in seconds. Patience can save you tens of thousands of dollars!