Comments on Keuka Lake Vineyards: Hybrids Providing More Mileage In Dry StyleTypePad2009-08-26T21:39:46ZLenn Thompsonhttp://lennthompson.typepad.com/lenndevours/tag:typepad.com,2003:http://lennthompson.typepad.com/lenndevours/2009/08/keuka-lake-vineyards-hybrids-providing-more-mileage-in-dry-style/comments/atom.xml/Evan Dawson commented on 'Keuka Lake Vineyards: Hybrids Providing More Mileage In Dry Style'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341d0dbb53ef0120a55bea37970b2009-09-09T13:05:14Z2009-09-09T13:05:14ZEvan Dawsonhttp://www.lenndevours.comStaci, We've really enjoyed pouring that Vignoles for friends. Very nicely done. Even in tasting Anthony Road's Vignoles TBA next...<p>Staci,</p>
<p>We&#39;ve really enjoyed pouring that Vignoles for friends. Very nicely done. Even in tasting Anthony Road&#39;s Vignoles TBA next to the Riesling TBA, it&#39;s clear how much natural acidity Vignoles has. I hope my rather flippant remark didn&#39;t offend you.</p>
<p>Thanks for clearing up the Millot mystery. Must have seen a tasting sheet misprint. Very inky wine; probably needs its own post in the future. Cheers!</p>Staci Nugent commented on 'Keuka Lake Vineyards: Hybrids Providing More Mileage In Dry Style'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341d0dbb53ef0120a55bd86c970b2009-09-09T12:44:36Z2009-09-09T12:44:36ZStaci Nugenthttp://www.klvineyards.comI can understand why Evan might think acid was added to our Vignoles - it certainly has an amazing amount...<p> I can understand why Evan might think acid was added to our Vignoles - it certainly has an amazing amount of natural acidity. The 2008 clocks in at 11.5 g/L. No acid adjustments needed! No sir-ee.</p>
<p>And with the Leon Millot, we spell it with the &#39;ot&#39; as far as I&#39;ve ever noticed. I just rushed out and checked our tasting room notes. They cleared. Not certain where the &#39;et&#39; came from, perhaps a stray misspelled reference.</p>
<p>Cheers, Staci</p>Thomas Pellechia commented on 'Keuka Lake Vineyards: Hybrids Providing More Mileage In Dry Style'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341d0dbb53ef0120a52c0027970b2009-08-28T20:18:06Z2009-08-28T20:18:06ZThomas Pellechiahttp://www.thomaspellechia.comEvan, I have no idea from where a reputation for French hybrids being sweet emanates. The premise that Vignoles is...<p>Evan,</p>
<p>I have no idea from where a reputation for French hybrids being sweet emanates. </p>
<p>The premise that Vignoles is sweet is correct, as most of them are produced that way--as well as many Vidals. The balancing act required to produce Vignoles in a dry style turns some winemakers off to the effort. The acids in that grape generally are formidable. But sweet Seyval isn&#39;t a normal practice--they range from dry to semi-sweet. Same with others. I&#39;ve been consuming dry versions of French-American and Cornell hybrids for 25 years, both whites and reds. </p>
<p>With all hybrids I have my likes and I have my dislikes, completely subjective. That is no measure of superiority or inferiority--it is a measure of aesthetics. </p>
<p>In the end, it&#39;s all about preference. Like Jim, I think light beer is deplorable tasting stuff, but it&#39;s not inferior to other beer--it&#39;s just deplorable tasting stuff to Jim and to me. Since many people drink it, it can&#39;t possibly be considered inferior by them. I may not agree or understand their choice, but I certainly don&#39;t feel superior to them. </p>
<p>This superior/inferior thing is partly responsible for wine still being regarded in the U.S. as an elitist product.</p>Evan Dawson commented on 'Keuka Lake Vineyards: Hybrids Providing More Mileage In Dry Style'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341d0dbb53ef0120a582908f970c2009-08-28T18:41:44Z2009-08-28T18:41:44ZEvan Dawsonhttp://www.lenndevours.comThomas, you wrote: "I don't know what all the fuss is about, really. You either like a wine or you...<p>Thomas, you wrote: </p>
<p>&quot;I don&#39;t know what all the fuss is about, really. You either like a wine or you don&#39;t. Why should the grape&#39;s parentage be of concern other than academic and to identify characteristics? What am I missing?&quot;</p>
<p>Hybrids have a reputation for being sweet wines. Certainly, if you read comments like the one posted above by jim, hybrids have a reputation for being inferior wines. Surely this is not new to you. Thus, when a trend emerges showing more wineries making hybrids in dryer styles, it&#39;s worth discussing. And in the context of the discussion about the NY Wine and Food Classic, it&#39;s timely.</p>Thomas Pellechia commented on 'Keuka Lake Vineyards: Hybrids Providing More Mileage In Dry Style'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341d0dbb53ef0120a5814c14970c2009-08-28T14:20:55Z2009-08-28T14:20:55ZThomas Pellechiahttp://www.thomaspellechia.comKeep in mind that when you use the word "hybrid" that some so-called native American varieties are hybrids, too, although...<p>Keep in mind that when you use the word &quot;hybrid&quot; that some so-called native American varieties are hybrids, too, although not by man, but by nature, and with vinifera in their bloodline: i.e. Catawba, Isabella... </p>
<p>It would be more informative to refer to hybrids either as French-American hybrid, Cornell (or other) University hybrid, field hybrid, et al.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t know what all the fuss is about, really. You either like a wine or you don&#39;t. Why should the grape&#39;s parentage be of concern other than academic and to identify characteristics?</p>
<p>What am I missing?</p>
<p>Peter, the name Seyval Blanc was applied to separate the Seyve-Villard 5-276 from its many red and white counterpart Seyve-Villard hybrids.<br />
</p>jim commented on 'Keuka Lake Vineyards: Hybrids Providing More Mileage In Dry Style'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341d0dbb53ef0120a526cdd0970b2009-08-27T20:16:54Z2009-08-27T20:16:54ZjimSave your time Michael, that's like a Belgian brewmaster saying I need an education in the area of Natural Light.<p>Save your time Michael, that&#39;s like a Belgian brewmaster saying I need an education in the area of Natural Light.</p>Michael Gorton commented on 'Keuka Lake Vineyards: Hybrids Providing More Mileage In Dry Style'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341d0dbb53ef0120a57d7ddf970c2009-08-27T19:29:21Z2009-08-27T19:29:21ZMichael Gortonhttp://undertakingwine.com/I must admit, I need an education in this area of hybrid grapes.<p>I must admit, I need an education in this area of hybrid grapes.</p>Peter Bell / Fox Run commented on 'Keuka Lake Vineyards: Hybrids Providing More Mileage In Dry Style'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341d0dbb53ef0120a57cb0dc970c2009-08-27T16:12:00Z2009-08-27T16:12:00ZPeter Bell / Fox Run"Leon Millet" appears to be a spelling error, much like "Gewurtztraminer", not exclusive to this fine winery. I can claim...<p>&quot;Leon Millet&quot; appears to be a spelling error, much like &quot;Gewurtztraminer&quot;, not exclusive to this fine winery.</p>
<p>I can claim to be the only person to have noticed a local winery happily selling one of their whites as &quot;Seval Blanc&quot; (sic).</p>
<p>Then there was the Rhone-style wine that debuted when I was living in Australia called Nine Popes, which the owner explained on the back label was the English term for Chateauneuf-du-Pape.</p>David Falchek commented on 'Keuka Lake Vineyards: Hybrids Providing More Mileage In Dry Style'tag:typepad.com,2003:6a00d8341d0dbb53ef0120a525a688970b2009-08-27T15:41:56Z2009-08-27T15:41:56ZDavid FalchekOne of my favorite images is the crippled, caged pigeons Dr. Konstantin Frank kept at the winery, telling visitors their...<p>One of my favorite images is the crippled, caged pigeons Dr. Konstantin Frank kept at the winery, telling visitors their deformities were caused by consumption of hybrid grapes. <br />
A fleck of truth, of course. High ethyl carbamate levels in hybrids were a concern. But research by NYSAES&#39;s Don Splittstoesser ended those fears. </p>