wow every video i have seen of randons playing this are totally blown away..thats why you fruits are pissing your pants in here.and wot makes it worse for you is from wot you can see is more or less no lag.and your glowy wii dongs lag way worse.hahaha

Note the time from 1:09 to 1:13 with both ladies playing natal. There's still noticeable lag, about 1/2 second. This is the same they've been showing since last year.

Attached image shows both women with their legs in the air, yet both of their avatars are standing on the ground. I will note that the TV avatar of the woman on the left is starting to raise off the ground.

Microsoft, please show us something at E3 that will make this more than just fluff for the hardcore, because right now I'm still thinking this will just fit the casual market with some pointless bounce around hand and feet games. I barely have time to play all the good hardcore games out there, I'm not going to be wasting my time playing casual fluff games like this.

Where's the PSMove? It was suppose to come out a month ago and yet no one seems to give a flying phuck about it. The whole biased media keeps talking about Natal this, Natal that... SDF mobilize, we need to hype the move because right now, no one cares about it.

^^^^I think people see Move as too "samey" to the Wii and then they see Natal as doing something one step beyond so there reaction to Move is "meh". MS picked a good time to go with a controller free device and market it as an "evolution" of the Wii experience.

I predict after E3 you will see Sony start to shift more twords showing what the EYE can deliver on its own without Move but at the same time part of the Move experience(GT5 head tracking being the start). Then they start that path down the trademark and patent minefield MS has been laying down for the last couple years for controller free gaming.

y is it always so bright around where people stand look at the videos and by the way ( cgoodno) u are right that pic is what i saw that made me say what the hell was that .. and those who disagrre with that pick is blind come on if it wasnt what i saw ill say ok but i saw it in the video and it is real ms needs to fix it and come out when its ready like sony is doing if u rush it out and it aint right or does what u said it does than it will fail

I'm sick of seeing the same Natal "Riccochet demo" myself, but I guess I didn't come to this thread to complain about it because I realize that this is news coming out of Spain which for the most part is mostly a result of the Spanish media's first hands on time with Natal. sigh, I don't think this news is aimed at a informed gamer like me. I wonder why I even bothered to click on another Natal thread, the goddamm link is in Spanish! wtf is wrong with Spain, don't they know what English is?

It's such a shame microsoft is advertising their product in Spain, and I suspect they only announced that seperate Natal event at E3 so that everyone at the event has a chance to come on stage an try their brand new "Milo Riccochet" game for themselves. Hey, I'm not the brightest guy around but I think its a mistake that this is all microsoft will have to show at E3, maybe they should be working on other games too.

Natal has the "new, shiny" effect and im sure the casuals will eat it up, assuming its issues are resolved

and yeah, to the uninformed move looks like more of the same but once the hype slows down for both motion devices and they are judged purely on what they can do and games available, thats when i'll take notice

also, even though some of you are 360 fanboys are you really going to buy natal knowing what games are coming?

as a ps3 owner i asked my self the same question about move and i wont be buying it

No news here. The commentator says that they wouldn't let the journalist record the screen while people were playing, obviously there's still noticeble lag MS is trying to conceal (well, they managed to show us some lag and some hiccups around 1:10 anyway). Oh and MS graciously gave them the promotion video so people would have an idea what to expect from Natal (without specifying in the comments that it was only a target render vid).

They also said they only got to play Ricochet and were told it was still in developpement (so there's basically no improvement over last year E3 demo). Those two girls (MS VPs) were the only one demoing the entire presentation because "the technology is so advanced that if there were anything wrong with the demo they would be the only one to know how to fix it" (yeah right, what a pretext)

The journos didn't seem very impressed either, they say things we basically already heard : that its success will be depending on what developpers creat for it, another one is cut short while saying he's sure Nintendo is closely watching Natal [cut part : and they already have something to counter it] and the last one says that yeah it's another take on the wiimote but he can't really say if it's for the best.

You are one brave dude to say shyt like that on N4G. You will be bubble free before midnight. I don't see PS3 only guys speak so bluntly about Move with the fanboy war going on. I have a lot of respect for honesty. I will not bubble you for speaking against the move, I will do it because I respect you as a person of integrity and it is rare to find that with the people on the internet, let alone this site. Bubbles!

@ Bigpappy , Move is more in-line with what i'm interested in, but if the games suck I won't be buying it for myself (might still get it for the GF though..EA Sports active and stuff, she enjoys motion controlled games). There, happy?

@ Triella, thanks for the translation. Shame that MS is not allowing people to film it properly, and some of the conditions are sketchy. Maybe they just want to keep it under-wraps while they do the global PR tour (contradiction?)

"the only problem is getting tired" - alert! alert! short games on the horizon! if Natal is the future of consoles, then say goodbye to gaming marathon because you'll get tired real fast or maybe say goodbye to your school/job, because you can't wake up in the morning as you're too tired after playing games last night! your choice!

and it's been awhile since E3 2009 and all they have is the ball knocking game? have they been sleeping the whole year?

I have heard many accounts of natal falling down depending on the 'proportions' of the player shall we say, very thin people are fine, but the fatter you get the harder it is for the sensors to work out your movements. I'm very fat so unlikely to be buying one of these! Perhaps a 'large friendly' version will come out at some point.

@Murderdolls - if somebody takes up the whole of the field of vision of the scanners, how can they tell if the blob is waddling?!! I'm a missile targeting software developer for the military so trust me I know.

It can see 2 people at the same time (Rumored 4). How big are you guys? If you could fit through a door way, you are both to gig for natal. Your guys should be the people happiest for full body motion. Just be careful how much you play at once. If you can increase you activity level and have fun while doing it will increase you health and you will loose some weight. This is in the privacy of your own home and you buy the games that encourage you to play instead of watching Richard Simmons on a DVD. We have at least 6 months before this thing is on shelves, so there is a lot more info to come before decision time.

Yes. We will all like to see the games. E3 is not that far away, so hold on. With that said, none of those people playing ricochet look bored. It is a very simple game that you just get in and play (Like racket ball). I want that game for free with my launch Natal. I will bet that this demo will be in every Game Stop and Best BUY and other top retail stores before November. This and dash board navigation will be one of a package of mini games in the M$ kiosk for Natal. After E3 I will be able to say what it means for holiday sales.

It's like the obese people get special treatment and get disabled parking spots. I don't want to sound insensitive here, but the vast majority of people that are obese get it from inactivity.

This wasn't meant as a stab at OP, but for Natal might just make gaming an exercise. I liked Punch Out on the Wii and it would get me all sore. It is not cardiovascular, but still better than finger exercises all day.

all it showed was people playing the natal and clips of the what natal could possibly be. even the video showing the people playing natal doesn't actually show anything, either they are focusing screen or person never both unless the camera is far enough away. the only time they have it so both player and screen at a good distance, the angle it so the person blocks most of the screen

I'm not sure what your post was trying to accomplish but i suspect i was and imitation of a retarded fanboy. i can only agree that your post is correct on the accuracy and precision of the Move and that neither of the motion controls are revolutionary and that copying a design and improving upon it is the staple of progress.

Wow...completely agree with you. Both devices are improvemnts on older tech. I was actually waiting for some stupid fanboy to try to prove that Wii-Move is revolutionary like in a nother Natal article. Oh well too bad :)

Seeing as how both DOM and Cold are delusional and have horribly short attention spans, I figured they needed a good dose of reality. No one cares about Move huh? You must not subscribe to Game Informer. This month's issue had an article about Move. Did Natal get an article? Nope. Why? Because MS isn't trying to show us anything.

Nothing new. Yes there is something new compare to the E3 demo, there is no PC on the side of the xbox 360. This is still the same demo, we can notice the lag on the video (1'12' for example). And of course the ads video of E3. Nothing new. They still showing some gadget no real game. Even on wii, they've got demo tech much more funnier than this one.

I wait the E3 to have my final opinion how Natal will or won't revolutionized the future of Gaming.