One must wonder if those who place such faith in the United States understand that this self-declared interlocutor is also the main source of finance to Israel through both trade and cash. Israel, a relatively rich country, receives more American money than any needy developing country in the world.

Last time I checked Israelis weren't suicide bombing, kidnapping, or cutting off American heads. An enemy of an enemy is a friend. Go fuck them up Israel. I did read the article, and know it's all about Palestine, but no one in the middle-east likes Israel. If we didn't supply them the money, they would have to fend for themselves, which no one seems to want the middle-east to do. If Israel got bombed by oh say Iran, they would be the next Palestine, except Palestinians have disliked us since we created the Israeli state Post WWII. Except Palestinians stole the land from the Jews in the first place(which was a while ago true), but now they're angry it's happening again? How many times has Palestine violated the cease-fire? What is Israel supposed to do about that? It'd be ok, if the attacks were aimed at military installations, but instead their attacks are aimed towards residential establishments. Where would Palestine be if we let Israel do whatever they wanted? America is the only country holding Israel back from Palestine. Why does everyone want to criticize the West? Without the West, the world would not be as technologically or medically advanced as it is today. The West gets blasted for being anti-muslim. Last I checked, we were protecting muslims in Bosnia. You want peace? What western nation goes on one of their network TV's and talks about their goal being the death of every infidel non-believer?

Last time I checked Israelis weren't suicide bombing, kidnapping, or cutting off American heads. An enemy of an enemy is a friend. Go fuck them up Israel. I did read the article, and know it's all about Palestine, but no one in the middle-east likes Israel. If we didn't supply them the money, they would have to fend for themselves, which no one seems to want the middle-east to do. If Israel got bombed by oh say Iran, they would be the next Palestine, except Palestinians have disliked us since we created the Israeli state Post WWII. Except Palestinians stole the land from the Jews in the first place(which was a while ago true), but now they're angry it's happening again? How many times has Palestine violated the cease-fire? What is Israel supposed to do about that? It'd be ok, if the attacks were aimed at military installations, but instead their attacks are aimed towards residential establishments. Where would Palestine be if we let Israel do whatever they wanted? America is the only country holding Israel back from Palestine. Why does everyone want to criticize the West? Without the West, the world would not be as technologically or medically advanced as it is today. The West gets blasted for being anti-muslim. Last I checked, we were protecting muslims in Bosnia. You want peace? What western nation goes on one of their network TV's and talks about their goal being the death of every infidel non-believer?

Israel, pre WWII never had a "land". It wasn't until the Zionist movement that there was an attempt or movement to give Jews a home. It states in the Torah that the Jews aren't supposed to have a homeland until their Messiah comes.

Israel, pre WWII never had a "land". It wasn't until the Zionist movement that there was an attempt or movement to give Jews a home. It states in the Torah that the Jews aren't supposed to have a homeland until their Messiah comes.

The Torah refers to the 5 books of Moses. Outside of its central significance in Judaism, the Torah is accepted by Christianity as part of the bible comprising the first 5 books of the Old Testament. Since the old testament predates Jesus, isn't it safe to say that the Jews got their Messiah? They just didn't believe it at the time, but Christianity seems like a pretty popular religion followed by many worldwide.

The Torah refers to the 5 books of Moses. Outside of its central significance in Judaism, the Torah is accepted by Christianity as part of the bible comprising the first 5 books of the Old Testament. Since the old testament predates Jesus, isn't it safe to say that the Jews got their Messiah? They just didn't believe it at the time, but Christianity seems like a pretty popular religion followed by many worldwide.

Wager, while some Palestinians do engage in violence against the civilian population of Israel, that is not a justification for Israel to refuse to negotiate in good faith. The settlements are the single bigest impediment to peace, followed closely by the barrier and the checkpoints. In all the years that I have been following this situation, I have never seen a Zionist apologist come up with a just or ethical argument to support expanding the settlements. They are beyond the 67 borders, they violate the Geneva Convention and numerous UN resolutions and antagonize the Palestinians to no end. Currently Israel has commissioned expanding the settlements even more. Israel likes to claim they do not have a partner, but they continue to engage in behaviour that they know will inflame the situation. They are not behaving in good faith, and until they do so I do not see how any progress can be made.

I'll ask you, can you see an argument that can justify the existence, let alone the continued expansion, of the settlements?

Wager, while some Palestinians do engage in violence against the civilian population of Israel, that is not a justification for Israel to refuse to negotiate in good faith. The settlements are the single bigest impediment to peace, followed closely by the barrier and the checkpoints. In all the years that I have been following this situation, I have never seen a Zionist apologist come up with a just or ethical argument to support expanding the settlements. They are beyond the 67 borders, they violate the Geneva Convention and numerous UN resolutions and antagonize the Palestinians to no end. Currently Israel has commissioned expanding the settlements even more. Israel likes to claim they do not have a partner, but they continue to engage in behaviour that they know will inflame the situation. They are not behaving in good faith, and until they do so I do not see how any progress can be made.

I'll ask you, can you see an argument that can justify the existence, let alone the continued expansion, of the settlements?

They wouldn't need to suicide bomb, or use state of the art weaponry, because they're our ally. So of course, we're going to help our ally out. Just like how China trained Vietnamese soldiers during the Vietnam war. Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB8uNwcQB_0 I know it's youtube, but I didnt want to find the full version. Yes I know it's by Iraqis, and not Palestenians. I am positive that no Muslim country wants Israel there in the first place. Which leaves you talking about ceasefires and pointing the finger at who started it. Yes there's hurt from both sides, but do either truly want peace, or to be the victor? I'm betting that there will never be peace there. When has the middle-east been known for its peaceful ways? Never. The west wouldn't want Israel to fall, so we help them with military equipment, and apparently funding. Also, there is money being poured into every American military installation whose land it occupies. So, Iraq, Afghanistan, Africa, Europe, and NE Asia all receive money from the US. So, I guess I guess you could draw a line on where a needy/developing country lies.

They wouldn't need to suicide bomb, or use state of the art weaponry, because they're our ally. So of course, we're going to help our ally out. Just like how China trained Vietnamese soldiers during the Vietnam war. Video:

I know it's youtube, but I didnt want to find the full version. Yes I know it's by Iraqis, and not Palestenians. I am positive that no Muslim country wants Israel there in the first place. Which leaves you talking about ceasefires and pointing the finger at who started it. Yes there's hurt from both sides, but do either truly want peace, or to be the victor? I'm betting that there will never be peace there. When has the middle-east been known for its peaceful ways? Never. The west wouldn't want Israel to fall, so we help them with military equipment, and apparently funding. Also, there is money being poured into every American military installation whose land it occupies. So, Iraq, Afghanistan, Africa, Europe, and NE Asia all receive money from the US. So, I guess I guess you could draw a line on where a needy/developing country lies.

Hm. I'm no expert on the issue, being neither Palestinian, or Israeli. I don't see how you've established that you have a clue about the issue though. You've just asked questions. Perhaps my issue is just the fact that we support an ally. Also, in America not everyone agrees on issues. There are protests and demonstrations about everything from taxes that the current establishment are going to place on Americans, to anti-Israeli involvement. I'm sure Israelis hold different viewpoints from one and other as well about America's involvement with their own country. I didn't see anyone from the Israeli government parading about with the twin tower incident. I would like to see some links about the spying and attacking of our ships though. Your argument goes deeper to state that it is "wrong" to support Israel in the first place because of their treatment of Palestinians. I was just curious about the degree of "wrongness" that you seem to hold with the issue Scout.

Hm. I'm no expert on the issue, being neither Palestinian, or Israeli. I don't see how you've established that you have a clue about the issue though. You've just asked questions. Perhaps my issue is just the fact that we support an ally. Also, in America not everyone agrees on issues. There are protests and demonstrations about everything from taxes that the current establishment are going to place on Americans, to anti-Israeli involvement. I'm sure Israelis hold different viewpoints from one and other as well about America's involvement with their own country. I didn't see anyone from the Israeli government parading about with the twin tower incident. I would like to see some links about the spying and attacking of our ships though. Your argument goes deeper to state that it is "wrong" to support Israel in the first place because of their treatment of Palestinians. I was just curious about the degree of "wrongness" that you seem to hold with the issue Scout.

^ "Hm. I'm no expert on the issue, being neither Palestinian, or Israeli. I don't see how you've established that you have a clue about the issue though. You've just asked questions"

Sure, put my knowledge of the issue next to Medfreak's and i'd be considered ignorant. Put my knowledge of the issue next to an average American and i'm a genius.

"I would like to see some links about the spying and attacking of our ships though"

You mean you don't know? You Americans really need to search a whole lot deeper into Israel's relationship with your own country. Btw, i already knew that you had no video of Palestinians beheading Americans.

"Your argument goes deeper to state that it is "wrong" to support Israel in the first place because of their treatment of Palestinians. I was just curious about the degree of "wrongness" that you seem to hold with the issue Scout."

Genocide, Ethnic Cleansing, Apartheid. Under each of those mentioned comes a huge amount of sub-categories.......

^ "Hm. I'm no expert on the issue, being neither Palestinian, or Israeli. I don't see how you've established that you have a clue about the issue though. You've just asked questions"

Sure, put my knowledge of the issue next to Medfreak's and i'd be considered ignorant. Put my knowledge of the issue next to an average American and i'm a genius.

"I would like to see some links about the spying and attacking of our ships though"

You mean you don't know? You Americans really need to search a whole lot deeper into Israel's relationship with your own country. Btw, i already knew that you had no video of Palestinians beheading Americans.

"Your argument goes deeper to state that it is "wrong" to support Israel in the first place because of their treatment of Palestinians. I was just curious about the degree of "wrongness" that you seem to hold with the issue Scout."

Genocide, Ethnic Cleansing, Apartheid. Under each of those mentioned comes a huge amount of sub-categories.......

"It states in the Torah that the Jews aren't supposed to have a homeland until their Messiah comes." -sorry...I'm really tired and am either missing the joke or you mistook what I said...I was talking about Atheists?

and yes, Wager, Israel has spied on us...A LOT. But fuuuuck, so has every other ally. It happens all around. Everyone spies on everyone. No fucking news there.

But what REALLY is bullshit is when said material from spying is sold to "enemies"...

"It states in the Torah that the Jews aren't supposed to have a homeland until their Messiah comes." -sorry...I'm really tired and am either missing the joke or you mistook what I said...I was talking about Atheists?

and yes, Wager, Israel has spied on us...A LOT. But fuuuuck, so has every other ally. It happens all around. Everyone spies on everyone. No fucking news there.

But what REALLY is bullshit is when said material from spying is sold to "enemies"...

Nice article Seahawks. I didn't know about the China issue. I do like how you put enemies in quotations. Even though the majority of military weapons we sell to countries are outdated by American standards, they still shouldn't have sold any info even if it was to curb trade to Syria. They should have just bombed Syria instead. Scout, I never said anything about Palestinians beheading people. I'm just curious why you care in the first place what Israel does to Palestine? Why not the genocides in Africa? Why not the Uighurs (sp?) in China? Every country has its own forms of apartheid. Muslim countries and how they treat their women for example. I could go to the extreme and choose Afghanistan, but I don't see any calls for this to end. Can't turn off the bold for some reason. Ethnic cleansing, and Genocide. If they did commit genocide, then this whole ordeal would be a footnote in history. Every country with borders is guilty of ethnic cleansing and genocide sometime in their history anyway. Words like ethnic cleansing, genocide and apartheid can be bent in any fashion by the author. Who's to say what a people are, or a race, or an ethnicity?

Nice article Seahawks. I didn't know about the China issue. I do like how you put enemies in quotations. Even though the majority of military weapons we sell to countries are outdated by American standards, they still shouldn't have sold any info even if it was to curb trade to Syria. They should have just bombed Syria instead. Scout, I never said anything about Palestinians beheading people. I'm just curious why you care in the first place what Israel does to Palestine? Why not the genocides in Africa? Why not the Uighurs (sp?) in China? Every country has its own forms of apartheid. Muslim countries and how they treat their women for example. I could go to the extreme and choose Afghanistan, but I don't see any calls for this to end. Can't turn off the bold for some reason. Ethnic cleansing, and Genocide. If they did commit genocide, then this whole ordeal would be a footnote in history. Every country with borders is guilty of ethnic cleansing and genocide sometime in their history anyway. Words like ethnic cleansing, genocide and apartheid can be bent in any fashion by the author. Who's to say what a people are, or a race, or an ethnicity?

But that was exactly what your comment was suggesting. "Last time I checked Israelis weren't suicide bombing, kidnapping, or cutting off American heads. An enemy of an enemy is a friend".

Last time i checked Palestine was the issue and you commented first.

"Why not the genocides in Africa? Why not the Uighurs (sp?) in China? "

Why not Palestine?. I have to say, you really going through all the pro-Israel bullshit arguments like a hot knife through butter. Have you ever considered signing up as an Israeli cyber soldier?...I hear it pays well these days.

" I could go to the extreme and choose Afghanistan, but I don't see any calls for this to end".

Afghanistan is a whole different set of circs, unless you mean the NATO occupation.

" Every country with borders is guilty of ethnic cleansing and genocide sometime in their history anyway"

Oh well, i guess i can just back and forget all about it then.

Seahawks,

I wasn't attacking your comment, i was adding to it. Many "Torah" Jews believe that they're being punished by God because of the Atheist Zionist movement who have coveted, stolen and murdered their way through Palestine.

"Scout, I never said anything about Palestinians beheading people"

But that was exactly what your comment was suggesting. "Last time I checked Israelis weren't suicide bombing, kidnapping, or cutting off American heads. An enemy of an enemy is a friend".

Last time i checked Palestine was the issue and you commented first.

"Why not the genocides in Africa? Why not the Uighurs (sp?) in China? "

Why not Palestine?. I have to say, you really going through all the pro-Israel bullshit arguments like a hot knife through butter. Have you ever considered signing up as an Israeli cyber soldier?...I hear it pays well these days.

" I could go to the extreme and choose Afghanistan, but I don't see any calls for this to end".

Afghanistan is a whole different set of circs, unless you mean the NATO occupation.

" Every country with borders is guilty of ethnic cleansing and genocide sometime in their history anyway"

Oh well, i guess i can just back and forget all about it then.

Seahawks,

I wasn't attacking your comment, i was adding to it. Many "Torah" Jews believe that they're being punished by God because of the Atheist Zionist movement who have coveted, stolen and murdered their way through Palestine.