Look at West, Texas on Google Maps

And try to figure out what kind of fucking idiot would allow a middle school, a high school, a playground, an old folks home, an apartment building and a couple of dozen homes within a block or two of a fucking fertilizer plant?

No matter how this plays out, this town was so lucky that the explosion happened when the schools weren't filled with kids.

Gotta love Texas, the land without all those onerous Government regulations that would keep people from building schools next to an explosive waiting to happen.

2. I'm glad you got the order of things right. The plant and storage tanks were there before...

3. It is too bad that local planning/zoning officials cannot be sued over allowing the building of

apartments, houses, schools, etc. so close to an existing hazard. My guess is that they were under a lot of pressure from developers and local politicians to allow such developments or risk being portrayed as 'anti-business'.

20. Well you do have a right to your land...

...and the plant doesn't have the right to impact your land with say, an explosion hazard.

This is complicated by the fact that the plant almost certainly pre-dates zoning laws in the area...so it was there first, and impacting probably farmland.

Buuuut....it has probably been expanded in some way since zoning was put in place and houses were built near it....which should have required a building permit. In a perfect world, witholding a permit would have forced the plant to pull stakes and move to a more remote area. But, I suspect it was a major employer in town, and alot of things slipped through the cracks.

Kind of a 'group ignorance'. However, as I posted elsewhere in this thread, looking from the air, I would have never suspected such a massive explosion could have come from that plant...and I bet others were just as ignorant to the danger.

29. Were there any local planning or zoning laws?

39. Not really their fault.

I was listening to the radio this morning during a discussion about how the plant's federal reports described the "worst case scenario" as a 10-minute chemical emission that would be irritating but not fatal. The guest was talking about how this is the norm - plant managers report the worst that they expect to happen, not the worst that could happen. "Otherwise," he said, "no plants would ever be built."

This open corporate lie is a huge problem. When they're this brazen about mis-reporting for emergency planning, we clearly have a broken regulatory scheme and officials at every level who are complicit. This goes a lot farther than blaming officials in that town for allowing various things to be built in potentially dangerous areas.

42. The people who worked at the plant probably wanted to live close to it.

Not a good choice, but zoning laws are almost unheard of in Texas.

It's not the only state where things are like that. I saw a major gas station called Jimmy Carter's right next door to a large fireworks store in South Carolina. I picked up some fun stuff at the fireworks store, and the boiled peanuts from Jimmy Carter's were fantastic.

5. You know, it's not like this town was built yesterday,

And then there's that pesky fact that this kind of "planning" is rampant all across the nation, as we are told by those DUers living in such towns (outside of Texas.) This kind of town-planning is neither new nor particular just to Texas.

14. It's called complacency.

And it happens everywhere. You may continue to define it as "stupid" but I'd define it as what most people think about their neighborhood businesses, and nothing happening in all the time (read, decades) they've lived there. At least, not until today. This will change the minds of the survivors.

17. West, Texas, is incorporated.

However, the fertilizer plant located themselves just outside of city limits in order to avoid city taxes (they'd still be subject to county taxes, but those would likely be much less than for the town.)

I don't even pretend to know much about small town life, other than observing it when visiting family. Yet it is pretty easy to figure out how they think in "city planning", i.e., there usually isn't any when the town is just starting off and growing through the decades.

18. It looks like the old Main Street is south of the plant...

....and the town grew in a somewhat linear direction, probably because of how the interstate constrains growth in all directions.

Looking from above, the plant doesn't look that big...I certainly would never have known an explosion like that could happen, and I bet alot of other people didn't either.

Another way to look at this - its not that people foolishly built (on their own property) close to the plant...the problem is that the plant posed a danger that extended beyond its own boundaries. In my experience, the regulation of these types of danger is done at the state level (Dept of Health and Environment) - but mandated by the federal government. So, somebody dropped the ball, or the plant owners were not truthfull in their disclosures about the danger, blast radius, etc. I imagine this plant pre-dates alot of regulation, and some things slipped through the cracks.

One thing I'm fairly sure of - insurance companies that cover these plants are going to do a review of what type of risk they are taking on, based on this.

One thing I always worry about in these small towns - train derailment. There is a small town near me, where the train derailed just outside of town. Based on the footprint of destruction, it certainly would have destroyed alot of houses, if it had happened in town. I see a similar issue in this town.

21. From what I've read, the company had been in business for 55 years.

That puts their their start at around 1958. I have to wonder what the federal regulations were at the time for this kind of thing. Because that's also about eleven years after the bigger disaster of Texas City, also from the explosion of fertilizer.

Freight train derailments worry me as well, and I live in a big city (Houston.) In fact, I live next to a power right-of-way that's next to a double pair of tracks. I've seen some nasty stuff being hauled to and from the Ship Channel and the petro-chemical plants out there. And the richest part of town here (River Oaks) has that same pair of tracks curving around behind it. I suspect none of them know what's traveling on those tracks so near to them...

24. I imagine there were very few regulations in the 1950's

But there are today.

And the regulation I'm talking about is something as simple as a blast radius map and emergency action plan with the local fire dept (make sure they know what's in there and have the right chemicals to fight a fire, etc.). This may have been done...but it wasn't really looked at or followed when zoning and platting was done next to it.

My fear of derailment goes beyond chemicals...just the kinetic destruction of the cars flying off the track scares me.

26. That kind of regulation would be easy (and cheap) enough for most towns.

Perhaps more of them will look at what's in the backyards now and do something for their mutual safety.

The trains don't get up to speeds fast enough to do much more than make a jumbled mess if they derail here. I'm much more worried about leaks of stuff like vinyl chloride or hydrogen fluoride. Yet, I've also seen the local news get into a tizzy over a leak of liquified sulfur. I really wish they had at least one petroleum/chemical engineer on call for when such things happen.

Now, unless trains hit a large vehicle at a crossing (like a cement truck) they usually don't derail. However, I have heard of derailments caused by someone throwing a switch halfway, but they lock them down now.

36. Thanks for that link.

I'll have to read the rest of it at lunch. It reminds me of an accident we had on the freeways back in the 1970s, and I think it was also chlorine.

The worst "cloud" accident I recall wasn't from rail, but a hydrofluoric acid leak in Texas City. They evacuated people in time, but later aerial photos showed the path of the cloud. All vegetation along that route was dead.

40. Anhydrous ammonia also is transported by rail in tank cars

We seem to be seeing fewer breaches with release of chemicals like these in accidents/derailments thanks to federal regulations promulgated a few decades ago. To prevent a common cause of release--breach of the tank head by couplers of adjacent cars--new hazmat tank cars were required to have tank head protection (basically a shield) and existing tank cars were required to be retrofitted. I was involved in studies of those types of accidents and in pushing for those new regs at the time.

37. The regulation is likely in place

The disconnect comes when the local planning department doesn't understand that there is a blast radius map filed with the state....and they are generally (as I would be) ignorant of how dangerous that plant was. Its a disconnect and a communication issue (I deal with platting and zoning all the time). So, I can easily see how the development started to occur near the plant, without much of a second thought.

I can't remember the exact speeds, but I think a BNSF freight train runs at 52 mph, and Amtrak goes 73 mph...I'm going from memory. For obvious reasons, they have to slow down when entering a town...and occassionally something goes wrong, and things pile up.

6. I'm sure when all is said and done we'll find out ...

That regulations were lax.
That Inspections were few and far between and inspectors were underfunded.
The whole business friendly climate where employees are powerless, barely trained and poorly paid was a factor.
That the night shift was comprised of a couple Americans and a mix of legal and undocumented workers.

9. Add: Nonexistent or poorly managed safety protocols. n/t

11. From what I heard, the plant had been there since the 50's. It's quite likely that...

...almost everything else around that plant was, for whatever reason, built after the plant was. I agree it's an absolutely dangerous idea but, again, from what I know, it's not the case of a potentially dangerous plant being built in the middle of all these things, but land developers, school boards, etc. choosing to build so close to it.

I agree about government regulations and I have to say I'm quite curious to know what exactly the reasoning was in this case.

22. Zoning is obviously socialism

By attempting to protect the lives of local inhabitants you obviously surrender to communism, at which point you lose your guns and UN peacekeepers spirit you away. Only by placing as many schools and crowded public buildings near dangerous locations can The Spirit of America as The Founders Intended (TSATFI) be preserved.

23. It happens all over the country. I saw it yesterday in my town.

I was at our vet yesterday. Just down the street to the south is an enormous oil and solvent company. Two blocks to the north is a huge Con Agra food plant. Lots of houses and apartments between and around them.

32. I'm not trying to say

this is just a Texas problem. I'm trying to say that allowing the building of schools next to a fertilizer plant is stupid no matter where it happens.

I'm not familiar with California so I can't say for certain but I'll bet that if you went to the city of Richmond today, or at any point in the last 30 or 40 years, and said you wanted to build a school on Xylene street they'd probably shoot you down.

The high school was built after 1987 and whoever figured that putting it next to a fertilizer plant was a good idea likely never was the brightest bulb on the tree. I grew up in a farming community back in the 80's and everyone knew the dangers of fertilizer.

If there were proper regulations in place the town would have looked at them and just maybe someone would have noticed that building a school there isn't all that good an idea.

33. A gasoline pipeline exploded at the end of my street in L.A. in 1976; 4 dead, 16 injured

It was a gasoline pipeline from the Standard Oil refinery in El Segundo, struck by a backhoe during a street-widening project on Venice Bl. on the border of Palms/Culver City. None of us in the neighborhood had any idea that we had a gasoline pipeline running through our community. Minutes before the blast my wife returned home from shopping at the grocery store that was destroyed.