Post by shoreterp on Jan 22, 2013 15:43:22 GMT -4

I disagree with the statement that he is the greatest linebacker of all times. I have others that I believe are better (lol)!! ...But he prolly is the greatest linebacker of all times for the Ravens.... he is an awesome player....

I would say Ray is the best middle linebacker of all time. Lawrence Taylor was an outside linebacker, even though he lined up at defensive end most of the time. He's the only one I would put ahead of Ray.

Post by bluecrabber on Feb 4, 2013 16:44:10 GMT -4

It's hard to understand how people can be so easily swayed and take a mindset about something.. Many people are absolutely convinced that money can take care of anything..

And then you have the habitual liars that just have to make up stories.. I met a guy the other day and of course the subject of the Superbowl came up. This guy went off on a tirade immediately about how Ray Lewis should be in prison and that he saw Ray stabbing the guy. He claims he was in a hotel room in Atlanta and watching the entire event.

You would think if this guy really was in Atlanta and a witness, he would have been located by police. Somehow I doubt he could tell who was doing what to whom at 4 am in the morning looking out a hotel window hundreds of feet away. Fact is, pretty unlikely this blowhard was even in Atlanta..

Post by speedergurl68 on Feb 5, 2013 8:27:44 GMT -4

5 Common Misconceptions About Ray Lewis' Murder Trial:

(CBS Detroit) Ray Lewis seems poised to ride into the sunset like Jerome Bettis if the Ravens win in the linebacker’s second championship game. Lewis looms large in a Super Bowl without superstars and gets the reflected glow of the big game. That spotlight exposes some gnarly fissures on him; some scabbed over scars of whispers and rumor. Self righteous types cluck their tongues to this day and mouth the word: “Murderer.”

His trial was thirteen years ago, so memories faded. When facts fall out of the mouths of commentators, there is a fast and loose quality to them. I have read articles recently shaded to indicate Lewis’ implication in the murder and some that are flat out false.

There is prejudice here. It is undeniable that many associate Lewis’ case with the Simpson case. They fill in the parts they don’t know with details from OJ’s eventual acquittal.

Here are five common misconceptions about the murder case involving Ray Lewis:

1. Ray Lewis was involved in a murder – Ray Lewis was an eventual witness in a murder case. He was charged with the murder of Jacinth Baker and Richard Lollar along with his two companions Reginald Oakley and Joseph Sweeting. The murder charges stemmed from a vicious fight in Atlanta streets following a Super Bowl Party in 2000. Eventually, the case ended with the defendants acquitted for reasons of self defense. In the eyes of the court, no murder took place.

2. Ray Lewis’ friends went to jail to protect him – This is in a lot of blogs and opinion pieces. It’s just not true. No one in this case went to jail.

3. Ray Lewis refused to testify against his friends in the murder trial – It’s the opposite. Ray Lewis started the trial at the table with Oakley and Sweeting. He flipped, pleading down to an obstruction of justice charge in exchange for testimony. Lewis was the state’s star witness. Some sources say the three men were no longer friends because of the alleged betrayal. Ironically, the only person to serve any sentence in this case at all was Lewis. Had he not flipped, he likely would have walked away with the same acquittal as the other defendants.

4. The murders were never solved – This is written a lot, along with something to the effect that no other suspects were ever arrested. It doesn’t seem to be in dispute that Oakley and Sweeting killed Baker and Lollar. The jury found that it was self defense after only a few hours of deliberation.

5. Ray Lewis is a murderer – Ray wasn’t involved in the fight that killed the two men. His companions were. Lewis wanted no part of the fight, but not for some moral or noble reason. He wanted to avoid the conflict because he was concerned it might hurt his NFL career. Throughout the process, Lewis seemed consumed with protecting his then burgeoning NFL superstar status. He made them promise silence in the limo afterward and lied to police the morning after. He flipped on his buddies to avoid scrutiny

"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear.I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain." - Bene Gesserit Litany Against Fear

Post by shoreterp on Feb 6, 2013 13:10:02 GMT -4

For God's sake people, can't we move on at some point? This occured 13 years ago, it went through the court system, they did not have evidence to convict, he pleaded quilty to not telling the police everything he knew, and that's the end of it. Move on...

So glad Ray got to finish his carreer the right way, with his second Lombardi

Post by ravens20 on Feb 6, 2013 14:10:54 GMT -4

Yes I would say murdering and torturing dogs is worse than lying to the police.

At this point-

They are both on the same level.

They've both been through the system and paid their dues....

Can we ever move on?

On the same level? He lied to the police, that's it. The guys who actually killed the other two claimed self defense and they were acquitted. Vick tortured and murdered dogs. I can't believe someone would equate that to lying to the police. But I guess that's your opinion, and you're certainly entitled to it, so we'll have to agree to disagree.

Post by einebierbitte on Feb 6, 2013 15:14:28 GMT -4

You can't compare Vick to Lewis or Lewis to Burress or Burress to all the other "questionable characters" that play in the NFL. They all come with their own set of circumstances.

If Baltimore wasn't in contention for the Superbowl, none of this would have come up.

If Philidelphia hadn't put together such a great team of talent (too bad they couldn't work it the right way)...no one would be grumbling about Vick....

etc. etc. etc....

By gones should be bygones..... What they do or did doesn't or shouldn't affect us. After all they are the ones that have to live with what they did or didn't do. By the way... Vick served his time, and was allowed to come back to play. Enough said.

my book says WHO CARES?

isn't going to change anything.... is it?

I am the girl that when my feet hit the floor in the morning, the devil shudders in his lair and says... Oh Crap She's up!!!!!!

On the same level? He lied to the police, that's it. The guys who actually killed the other two claimed self defense and they were acquitted. Vick tortured and murdered dogs. I can't believe someone would equate that to lying to the police. But I guess that's your opinion, and you're certainly entitled to it, so we'll have to agree to disagree.

Did you READ anything other than the 2nd line of that post?I get it. and agree with itNEXT?

Post by ravens20 on Feb 7, 2013 0:13:31 GMT -4

On the same level? He lied to the police, that's it. The guys who actually killed the other two claimed self defense and they were acquitted. Vick tortured and murdered dogs. I can't believe someone would equate that to lying to the police. But I guess that's your opinion, and you're certainly entitled to it, so we'll have to agree to disagree.

Did you READ anything other than the 2nd line of that post?I get it. and agree with itNEXT?

Yes, the question was, "is Vick more or less reprehensible than Ray Lewis?" I think it's important to take into account more than "they've both been through the system."

Post by arik on Aug 16, 2014 8:55:16 GMT -4

Hi, You make a good point regarding the prosecutor believing they have enough evidence to initially charge Ray Lewis with murder. If you're bringing that up then you must trust their judgement. After more facts came to light they decided that they no longer had enough evidence to charge Ray with murder, hence the plea to a lesser charge. Does Steeler nation have some inside information that the prosecution was not privy to?

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