I love Stephen Jackson, but let's be honest, he's turned into a liability on offense this season. He's only hit 1 3pt shot in the last seven games going 1-14 during that stretch and over the course of the year he's not been much better shooting 25% for the season. He's shooting much better on 2pts shots (.500) mostly by attacking the rim, but the majority of his offense is coming from that failing 3pt shot (116 3pt shots vs 108 2pt shots). I'm not sure what value Jackson adds to the team this year, especially if the Spurs are looking to swap him for a big man.

A few on this board would rather see Manu traded over Jackson. What exactly is it that Jackson brings to the table that would make him more valuable than a healthy Manu? If the Spurs trade for a big man, the bulk of the front court minutes would go to Leonard, Duncan, and 'Big man X'. The job of containing the two elite SFs standing in the way of a Spurs championship (Durant and Lebron) goes to Leonard and possibly 'Big Man X' if it happens to be a Josh Smith type 4. Leonard has really shown me in the last month and a half that he deserves those minutes with his efficient high level of play. I'll be honest, I was willing to let go of Leonard to try to bring in an elite front court player like Garnet, but with Leonard's great play and Jackson's miserable offensive performance I've had to re-evaluate that position.

So what is it with Stephen Jackson this year that makes you like him over Manu? I haven't seen him shut anyone down ala Bruce Bowen and his offensive game is in the toilet. His PER is a dismal 8.3. Now I take advanced stats with a grain of salt, but that is just glaringly inefficient play. I have a feeling he's just hit the age wall on his career.

Well, I've been saying this since the end of the playoffs last season. His value on the team is extremely overrated. I would not want him over Manu, because Manu, when he's on, brings more to the table. I'm at a loss as to why people have these rose-colored glasses on when it comes to Jackson. I think they've got this hope that he's going to win a critical game for the Spurs down the stretch, but that happened 10 years ago, last I checked.

Well, I've been saying this since the end of the playoffs last season. His value on the team is extremely overrated. I would not want him over Manu, because Manu, when he's on, brings more to the table. I'm at a loss as to why people have these rose-colored glasses on when it comes to Jackson. I think they've got this hope that he's going to win a critical game for the Spurs down the stretch, but that happened 10 years ago, last I checked.

I agree and last I checked you still think Bonner will turn it around though in the playoffs and win us a game and that happened neveruary 2080 or so. I agree with what you said but dude showed up huge in a few playoff games last year while the guy you support never seems to show up at all in the playoffs yet you defend him.

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You could let it pick your brain for weeks and months, just replay it over and over, won't do you any good at all. When someone loses a loved one and they do that it only brings forth anguish. I feel acceptance is sometimes the key, it happened, now you have to react to it. Giving up is not an option.

I agree and last I checked you still think Bonner will turn it around though in the playoffs and win us a game and that happened neveruary 2080 or so. I agree with what you said but dude showed up huge in a few playoff games last year while the guy you support never seems to show up at all in the playoffs yet you defend him.

Actually, what I defend is his role on the team. No matter what, people blame Bonner for the shortcomings in the playoffs when it's way more than that. I don't support witch hunts or ganging up on a supposed scapegoat. He's simply not as horrible as people make it seem. However, I don't really care if he's traded as long as it brings in a positive. Now granted, sometimes I play up my support of the guy just for giggles, and I do think he'll do well in the 3pt shootout despite some "expert" opinions.

Actually, what I defend is his role on the team. No matter what, people blame Bonner for the shortcomings in the playoffs when it's way more than that. I don't support witch hunts or ganging up on a supposed scapegoat. He's simply not as horrible as people make it seem. However, I don't really care if he's traded as long as it brings in a positive. Now granted, sometimes I play up my support of the guy just for giggles, and I do think he'll do well in the 3pt shootout despite some "expert" opinions.

Look I can see where you are coming from but to me he is a guy who does not help us when it matters, which is why I am not a huge fan of him! Yes it is not his fault we lose a series but he could help more being he is such a high % shooter in the season! Why can't he keep near that number up? The playoffs are way more than Bonner yes, but if we had a guy who got his mins and did something would that not help in the playoffs?

I wish him and Blair would both be magically traded for some hero playoff performer, but I know I am dreaming at this point. I hope he does well in the shootout as well! GET EM! I hope he shoots threes with us in the playoffs as well and makes them at higher than 32%! I would wish him all the best. I wish someone would step up though in place of that so we would not have to rely on that from him! AGREED! He is not the curse but he is obvioulsy not the ANSWER to a run!

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You could let it pick your brain for weeks and months, just replay it over and over, won't do you any good at all. When someone loses a loved one and they do that it only brings forth anguish. I feel acceptance is sometimes the key, it happened, now you have to react to it. Giving up is not an option.

We all know that NBA's regular season is BS(Especially for last 5-6 years). It's really meaningless, no need to argue about that. All the thing will be decided when PO time comes.

And when PO comes, we need the guys who can step forward. We made mistake about this in past. We thought that Bonner would shoot 3 in PO like he did in regular season. We thoguht that Blair's size woouldn't be problem in PO since it didn't be in regular season. And we were wrong. When PO came, they became liability.

That's why S-Jax regular season stats doesn't bother me. When PO comes, I want S-Jax to shoot 3 instead of Bonner. POs are the place which player characters and defenses shows up. And S-Jax have both.

Kind of remember horry being the same way...until playoff time... who is pretty much the only guy thay coud hit a three against the thunder? Jackson. He is in a slump...we will need his toughness come playoff time.

I love Stephen Jackson, but let's be honest, he's turned into a liability on offense this season. He's only hit 1 3pt shot in the last seven games going 1-14 during that stretch and over the course of the year he's not been much better shooting 25% for the season.

Kind of remember horry being the same way...until playoff time... who is pretty much the only guy thay coud hit a three against the thunder? Jackson. He is in a slump...we will need his toughness come playoff time.

My thoughts exactly!

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I think he's going to be a star. And as time goes on, he'll be the face of the Spurs, I think.--- Coach Pop on Leonard

Think about this. Timmy's personality and influence we see easily in Leonard, but perhaps some of Jax toughness and tenacity are also there. In his own strange way, Jack may be a major locker room factor, even. A very positive one, at that.

In a short answer, no, he goes nowhere before season's end. Wonder what the heat game would have been like with just Leonard added to the mix. Remember, the Spurs were actually missing FOUR starters and two of their first three subs that game. Take six of any other team's top eight away and .....

Jack's value to this team, much like so many of the others' goes far beyond tangible. Can't see changes that unbalance things between now and playoffs. More likely an expanded role for Baynes and Nando post all star break. Just an old farts $.02.

I wouldn't worry that Cap'n Jack is slowed by his broken finger, it is what it is. That finger will still bother him, but we can live with it now.

Cap'n Jack is going no where. He brings MUCH needed TOUGHNESS to Spurs even with his broken finger.

What Cap'n Jack brings is something intangible on the defensive end. Occasionally he brings it on the offensive end, but his value on the D end sure compensate for some weak offense from his broken finger.

In the PO you can guarantee that Cap'n Jack will not be FADED!! He will BRING IT! That is his value. He is PROVEN last year and in the past PO.

Well I really hope that Jackson steps up his game when they count more, but I just have a real bad feeling that he's hit the age wall (see Bowen, Bruce circa 08-09). All the heart in the world won't make up for the fact that you just can't bring it anymore. If it is his finger that is killing his shooting percentage then there is hope. He played well for us last season and in the playoffs.

Look I can see where you are coming from but to me he is a guy who does not help us when it matters, which is why I am not a huge fan of him! Yes it is not his fault we lose a series but he could help more being he is such a high % shooter in the season! Why can't he keep near that number up? The playoffs are way more than Bonner yes, but if we had a guy who got his mins and did something would that not help in the playoffs?

I wish him and Blair would both be magically traded for some hero playoff performer, but I know I am dreaming at this point. I hope he does well in the shootout as well! GET EM! I hope he shoots threes with us in the playoffs as well and makes them at higher than 32%! I would wish him all the best. I wish someone would step up though in place of that so we would not have to rely on that from him! AGREED! He is not the curse but he is obvioulsy not the ANSWER to a run!

Look all you have to tell the weird Bonner lovers is to look at the stats in the playoffs. Bonner sucks. He sucked when the Big 3 played good in the playoffs. It doesn't matter. SJax has good playoff stats. He had a rough Clipper series but that was the only negative last year in the playoffs. Bonner's thing is a every year playoff problem. Pop played him 2 minutes and 0 minutes the last two playoff games. What does that say? SJax played significant minutes. People seem to tie Bonner's success on how the big 3 play in the playoffs. The guy can't be counted on either way. Bonner's ring in 2007 was as a bench warmer. SJax's ring was as a starter. Bonner has no skins in the wall in the playoffs. Move SJax, I don't care. If the deal makes sense do it but Bonner and Blair are ahead in my book to be traded. Bonner is first of course. Again look at the stats people! Bonner blows in the playoffs!

Bonner and Blair in years past were 1st to second players off the bench. Since recent pickups, Diow, Jackson they are now relegated to the end of the bench. Their worth is no less now than in years past. Since you'all like statistics, show me one end of bench player on any team that excells come play off time.

I thought they should of traded him in the preseason and you all didnt want that... So hows he doing?

he stunk in the regular season last year and was shooting 60% from the 3 for us in the playoffs. Jackson's a Robert Horry type who turns it up in the postseason. Jax is probably more clutch than 2 of the Big 3 (take ur pick on that). if he can turn it up in the playoffs, he'd be a steal for his last year and giving us cap space. if he sucks, we can just let him go. we have enough depth to cover for him if he stinks anyway.

he stunk in the regular season last year and was shooting 60% from the 3 for us in the playoffs. Jackson's a Robert Horry type who turns it up in the postseason. Jax is probably more clutch than 2 of the Big 3 (take ur pick on that). if he can turn it up in the playoffs, he'd be a steal for his last year and giving us cap space. if he sucks, we can just let him go. we have enough depth to cover for him if he stinks anyway.

Ya but he stunk it up with the Bucks and some with the Spurs last season before the POs and he has had all season to get out of it for the Spurs this yr. Ya if he stinks come POs Spurs should look at other FAs. He could be a Horry but no he aint no big 3 even in the clutch.

I don't know...perhaps the broken finger poses an issue to SJax's shot. So he should be commended for his effort on the other part's of his game? It's not like the Spurs are losing games because of him. Far from it...

Plus let's add the personal issues that is going on in his family. In some respects, the fact that he's giving the team any positives is fairly amazing.

Ya but he stunk it up with the Bucks and some with the Spurs last season before the POs and he has had all season to get out of it for the Spurs this yr. Ya if he stinks come POs Spurs should look at other FAs. He could be a Horry but no he aint no big 3 even in the clutch.

How did he stink it up with the Bucks? Because they benched him because the coach hated him? He blasted the Spurs in a Bucks uniform for like 32 points last year! The guy was clutch in the playoffs except the Clipper series. You just don't like him period.

How did he stink it up with the Bucks? Because they benched him because the coach hated him? He blasted the Spurs in a Bucks uniform for like 32 points last year! The guy was clutch in the playoffs except the Clipper series. You just don't like him period.

How did he stink it up with the Bucks? Ha. You can say that cuz he was benched but You dont know that his % is as bad as last season? Oh and I dont look at 1 game to what he did in a season like you... Ya his clutch didnt get the team to the finals did it? Ya I dont like him cuz his % sux!

I must say after reading all the back and forth that I agree. Jax aint goin' anywhere. He's playin' Robert Horry style.

+ 1 trillion

doesn't matter if he stinks in the regular season as long as he chips in the playoffs. no one here (except MB ) would say Horry should've been traded in the regular season when he was our most clutch in the playoffs.

How did he stink it up with the Bucks? Ha. You can say that cuz he was benched but You dont know that his % is as bad as last season? Oh and I dont look at 1 game to what he did in a season like you... Ya his clutch didnt get the team to the finals did it? Ya I dont like him cuz his % sux!

I looked at the whole year last year. So it's up to one bench player to get to the Finals?? He played very well the last playoff game. What was his shooting % than? What was Bonner's?

I looked at the whole year last year. So it's up to one bench player to get to the Finals?? He played very well the last playoff game. What was his shooting % than? What was Bonner's?

Please do not Bring Bonner up in this convo and playoffs.

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Originally Posted by Jose_TheGenius

61% from 3 point land in the playoffs

let's trade him for someone who does well in the regular season and sucks in the playoffs i guess!

Basically what I came in to say.

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Win or lose this is a game -
You could let it pick your brain for weeks and months, just replay it over and over, won't do you any good at all. When someone loses a loved one and they do that it only brings forth anguish. I feel acceptance is sometimes the key, it happened, now you have to react to it. Giving up is not an option.

They already have one named Matt Bonner lol. Thanks for posting the truth..........:applause

:applause:applause

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Win or lose this is a game -
You could let it pick your brain for weeks and months, just replay it over and over, won't do you any good at all. When someone loses a loved one and they do that it only brings forth anguish. I feel acceptance is sometimes the key, it happened, now you have to react to it. Giving up is not an option.

One word.. Playoffs. Remember last year in the must win in OKC when Jackson is the only Spur who played like he had a set. His value is measured solely in postseason play.... end of story. makes love to pressure

One word.. Playoffs. Remember last year in the must win in OKC when Jackson is the only Spur who played like he had a set. His value is measured solely in postseason play.... end of story. makes love to pressure

Nice Post. I can't wait until Thursday evening when all this trade BS is over even if there are changes because right now, its obvious that no one here has a clue of what's going on, if anything. Its not that I mind if the Spurs make trades, they'll do whatever works for them, but those involved in outside speculation are just pissin' in the wind and I'd rather stand aside.

Something is up with SJax because he didn't make the flight to Sacto, so that makes 3 games he's missed because of personal reasons, and when you consider the amount of time he had off for the all star game, whatever is going down seems serious, sure hope everything is ok with him.

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Something is up with SJax because he didn't make the flight to Sacto, so that makes 3 games he's missed because of personal reasons, and when you consider the amount of time he had off for the all star game, whatever is going down seems serious, sure hope everything is ok with him.

Good heads up. Almost forgot that. I think his family hails from Port Arthur, TX.

If that is the case, then I truly am ashamed of what I said. My sister died way too young and it does take a long time to get functioning. I figured it was something rap album related. Normally, the media gets wind of family deaths and reports so it didn't even cross my mind.