great news, the hackers have won again. iphones can be used with any carrier anywhere in the world using the GSM network<br>here is the linky<br><br>no more AT&T contracts on 1.1.3 iphones & the new 8 gig unit<br><br>stick that in your pipe and smoke it steve<br><br> whenever i see a [color:red]r</font color=red>[color:blue]a</font color=blue>i[color:purple]n</font color=purple>b[color:orange]o</font color=orange>[color:green]w</font color=green> i know god is having gay sex

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so it's not ok to have internet explorer with every windows machine but its ok for AT&T to be the only phone provider to be used with an iphone.<br>iphones belong to the owner but to apple to dictate how people use them, that is what the hack is about, freedom of choice of service provider.<br><br> whenever i see a [color:red]r</font color=red>[color:blue]a</font color=blue>i[color:purple]n</font color=purple>b[color:orange]o</font color=orange>[color:green]w</font color=green> i know god is having gay sex

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[color:blue]so it's not ok to have internet explorer with every windows machine</font color=blue> - Well its the way that MS went about "buddying IE with Windose <-- then their apparent corporate threats to its vendors Dell, HP yada yada that if they included any other browser with their hardware they risk losing their MS license <-- Racketeering and anti trust.<br><br>Apple does too buddy Safari with OSX - but it does not threaten itself, if Apple so decided to include another browser <-- big difference <br><br>[color:blue]but its ok for AT&T to be the only phone provider to be used with an iphone.</font color=blue> _ Sure its is and to be honest if you look into Treo or Palm or blackberry,, higher end phones they to have exclusive contracts with providers {for} certain phone options and features <--- really old news and frankly surprise that people bitch about Apple??? Like they were the first or something, crazy consumers or just uninformed ones??<br><br>Bottom line;<br>Apple and At&T - got together and developed the iPhone with certain features as a "team" so to speak and one of those features is "visual voice mail" At&T invested a ton of cash to bring these iPhone features, hence they got an exclusive from Apple <-- keep in mind that the other cell providers were asked as well but they either did not have the capitol to invest infrastructure or the ability to bring in some of the iPhones features. Simply they decided to not support Apples "Visual Voice Mail"<br><br>Sure you can hack the iPhone but your gonna lack some features the phone provides<br><br>

[color:green]Sure you can hack the iPhone but your gonna lack some features the phone provides</font color=green><br>carp please do tell, what features does a hacked iPhone miss out on. From all reports the only feature missing from an NON AT&T set up is video voicemail. This is a no brainer, because its only a feature that will chew up bandwidth and 'time' from your monthly allowance.<br>If AT&T were the carrier with such a vested interest in the iPhone then why are they not the sole carrier in the 3 other countries where iPhones are in operation. AT&T did nothing more than sign a grubby & lucrative deal with apple which borders on collusive tendering.<br>I'd put video voicemal in the same catagory as inbuilt cameras in laptops. Greta fun for kids but the novelty soon wears thin.<br>If there are more feature missing from a hacked iPhone i am interested.<br><br><br><br> whenever i see a [color:red]r</font color=red>[color:blue]a</font color=blue>i[color:purple]n</font color=purple>b[color:orange]o</font color=orange>[color:green]w</font color=green> i know god is having gay sex

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<blockquote><font size=1>In reply to:</font><hr><p>Why would steve care. Apple still make money on the sale of the phone. Apple just would not get any more on the phone's service contract.<p><hr></blockquote><p>so, then why wouldn't apple be interested in more units out the door, connected by the consumer to which ever telco they care for. (worldwide as well)<br>It doesn't make good business sense, in my opinion.<br><br> whenever i see a [color:red]r</font color=red>[color:blue]a</font color=blue>i[color:purple]n</font color=purple>b[color:orange]o</font color=orange>[color:green]w</font color=green> i know god is having gay sex

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Not to sure if you know what your talking about ??<br><br>[color:blue]From all reports the only feature missing from an NON AT&T set up is video voicemail. This is a no brainer, because its only a feature that will chew up bandwidth and 'time' from your monthly allowance.</font color=blue> <-- do you mean "Visual Voice Mail??" <-- its not a video voice mail - and its free from At&T - its the very feature that lacks when you hack the iPhone.<br><br>[color:blue]I'd put video voicemal in the same catagory as inbuilt cameras in laptops.</font color=blue> - sorry but again you don't know what you are talking about - [color:blue] Greta fun for kids but the novelty soon wears thin.<br>If there are more feature missing from a hacked iPhone i am interested.</font color=blue> - Well I will agree that the iPhone does NOT have video voice mail ,, please show me a phone that has video voice mail???<br><br>[color:blue]If AT&T were the carrier with such a vested interest in the iPhone then why are they not the sole carrier in the 3 other countries where iPhones are in operation.</font color=blue> - At&T is NOT a major provider in those countries - Simply its a US deal<br><br>Now - lets talk about "visual voice mail" that only the iPhone has and At&T provides = lets put kids aside unless they are professionals.<br><br>Professionals - in my industry gets voice mail on their cell phones daily. Currently on my Nextel service on a Moto phone I have to sit and listen through many messages before getting to the important calls - This is great that I can scroll through all the garbage voice mail without having to waste my time listening in turn from 1 thru 20 as a small example.<br><br><br><br><br><br><br>

Basically I can send a "video voice mail/visual voice mail" with my RAZR. I just use the built-in video camera to record it and send it as an MMS (Multimedia Messaging System). Similarly, if I'm on a 3G network range, as is the recipient of the call having a built-in video cam on their phone, I can make a video call. The only drag is, it sucks up the bandwidth and costs a bit more than a regular call. And it just wouldn't be all that comfy. Haven't done it, to be honest, though. However, the whole idea of video calls will break through eventually. More than anything, I think the 'visual voice mail' is just a crafty marketing gimmick by Apple and AT&T in the meantime.<br><br>And yeah, I have had the regular voice mail on my phone since it became part of a regular service here in Finland some 10 years ago. Used to have a personalized answering message with me just saying 'Hi!' in it but my grandma always thought it was really me answering the phone and she'd always start talking as that was the case. Hilariously she'd end it up every time as she caught on 'oh, it's not him, it's a machine...' *click* <br><br>

Apple went to other carriers, but ATT was the only one willing to invest in the servers for visual voice mail. VVV was one of the big points of the phone (I love it). If the other carriers were willing to make the investment you would probably see the phone unlocked to them too.<br><br><br>Salus populi suprema lex

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