Thursday, July 21, 2016

If I ran a con of any kind, I would forbid all discussion of "diversity". These idiot SF-SJWs have no idea how incredibly boring they are. No wonder no one is interested in reading their books except for each other:

Readercon isn’t exactly a bastion of racial diversity. And this panel was far from the only one this weekend to go downhill when attempts to bring up race and how it intersected with the panel discussion were met with less than adept reactions from white panelists.

I look to the newer fans in the audience and try to draw them into the conversation every single time I panel. So many new faces (particularly of color) were at Readercon this year. For many of them the problem wasn’t, “Well, Readercon only talks about books,” so much as it was, “Readercon seems unwilling to talk about books in a way that includes people like me.”

No one is perfect. No one can ever be perfect. But if con spaces are going to survive, if they are going to attract new attendees, then everyone involved, including panelists, has to be conscious of how they are engaging with each other and with the audience. New attendees can easily decide to spend their money and time at corporate-run media cons. It won’t be as intimate, they might not build the same friendships, but they will also be navigating spaces that are far less fraught. I go to Readercon because some dear friends run it, but for the last 4 years I have had at least one panel go sideways. At some point I will do the math in the moment, wish my friends well, and stop going if Readercon doesn’t get better for me and people like me....

As a community, we have to be willing to have the harder conversations, to have the nuanced discussions, to understand that someone wanting to apply an intersectional lens to a discussion isn’t the enemy but the one trying to make things more inclusive. Are the conversations at sci fi cons changing? God, I hope so.

If I’m on a panel that addresses craft, humans, sexuality, gender, robots that are treated like humans, or whatever else a panel description might contain, I’m going to do my best to broaden the discussion. To talk about the ways that race, class, etc. can impact the topic at hand.

Let's suppose instead of a rabid diversity advocate, we're talking about a rabid Trump advocate. This hypothetical Trump advocate is absolutely convinced that Trump is desperately needed in order to Make America Great Again. And now suppose that the Trump advocate is on a panel at a science fiction convention.

If I’m on a panel that addresses craft, humans, sexuality, gender, robots that are treated like humans, or whatever else a panel description might contain, I’m going to do my best to broaden the discussion. To talk about the ways that Donald Trump can impact the topic at hand.

What would Donald Trump do about aliens? How would Donald Trump address the issue of robots? What does Donald Trump have to say about sexuality?

Now, how many people would be happy to have the Trump advocate on the panel? How many would want to invite him back?

If I’m on a panel that addresses craft, humans, sexuality, gender, robots that are treated like humans, or whatever else a panel description might contain, I’m going to do my best to broaden the discussion. To talk about the ways that Donald Trump can impact the topic at hand.

What would Donald Trump do about aliens? How would Donald Trump address the issue of robots? What does Donald Trump have to say about sexuality?

Now, how many people would be happy to have the Trump advocate on the panel? How many would want to invite him back?

Actually, that'd probably be good for a laugh for at least a panel or two.

They are almost templated now, such that it makes me wonder if there isn't some SJW resource wherein you put your group name of choice and a few other variables, and it generates all the properly loaded language for you. A sort of SocJusZoom instead of LegalZoom.

perfect. But if con spaces are going to survive, if they are going to have to make groids and wetbacks more literate. There are no white men in the Detroit school system to blame for the city having a 47% functional illiteracy rate, but the head of the school board Otis Mathis did sue a historically black college for not giving him his degree just because he failed an English proficiency test 3 times despite being born in the US to US parents.

At some point I will do the math in the moment, wish my friends well, and stop going if Readercon

If BigGaySteve walks around at a Great Adventure Park with a shirt that says "White Privilege is Evolution that's why Asians have it also" while ZERO blacks are functionally literate to read it, dozens of whites say they like it, and one jewyjew couple makes jewyjew faces, what is the # of non Asian minorities that would go to a book convention nearby?

What does Donald Trump have to say about sexuality?

Put a "you can't turn 40yo" clause in the prenup.

assuming you're on a panel about robots that turns into black-sexuality, aka "Hard Mode," what's the polite thing to do?

Crack has no effect on robots.

A. Cops kill unarmed black men (seen on video beating up an Asian liquor store clerk 10 min before)..nothingB. Cops kill a black kid with a toy gun,(who removed the orange piece showing it was a toy as he pointed it at cops)...nothing

Lamestream seems to be ignoring the Kansas City white cop killed by 2 blacks on Tuesday.

The WNBA just fined some teams because they were showing up to league events wearing BLM shirts. Of course, they're claiming that they're being silenced, even though they're free to speak out as much as they like, just not using their employer's microphone.

I think people are starting to catch on that if you try to make nice with the diversity racket, it won't be satisfied with its own corner of your organization. It will spread until it dominates the whole thing, and companies like the NBA are starting to realize, "Ok, maybe we had to put up with this from a few of our big stars one night at the ESPYs, but we don't have to take it from a joke league that we run at a loss to keep girls off our backs. If they're just on our backs about BLM instead, what's the point?"

Within seconds of starting, the leader of the panel, Ellen Kushner, silenced Mikki Kendall (the one Black panelist) as she was speaking about the trope of the Strong Black Woman...

...There were more all-white panels than I remember from previous years. Microaggressions toward people of color became macro and played out in front of rooms full of people...

It sounds like an insensitive, and obviously racist, white panelist derailed attempts by a black panelist to swing the discussion into a lengthy complaint of how black women are sometimes portrayed. It also sounds like white attendees were less than supportive of the black "victim."

I predict we'll see more of this in the future as white people become increasingly tired of minority theatrics.

"Intersectionality" is when some left wing loon obsessively keeps injecting the subject of their fanaticism into unrelated discussions. It's a nonsense word that means "I want you to pretend my thread-hijacking tantrum is actually the real topic".

It's the magic password for crazies like Voz is quoting. They think it means they're not actually crazy.

Let's get this one right: progressives love diversity only insofar as it comes to them in a conveniently packaged form, such as "international shopping centre food court diversity".

As long as they can sample cultures from an a la carte menu of easy come, easy go choices, they can signal their supposed moral superiority while engaging in open consumerism.

Aaron Clarey recently made part of the journey: virtue signalling is a consumer product meant for a very specific market segment, and that market segment enjoys the delusory belief that it is protected by its beliefs while avoiding moral hazard for its actions.

I think it might be to get up, leave and resume the actual conversation somewhere else, for the sake of Newbs."

I'd say try to turn it into intersectional discussion of something even more esoteric. Try injecting Veganism into it and how that intersects with robots. Or Model Railroading. Or Egyptology. When confronted, simply explain that you want all potential viewpoints considered.

Better yet, try something more mainstream like Christianity and see how fast that gets shut down....

Never been to a Con. I figure until they hold one in a strip club where duelling is accepted as a form of dispute resolution as to who gets the next lap dance from a specific stripper, it's somewhat unlikely I'll attend. And I don't even like strip clubs. I'm trying to make it easy, see?

Never been to a Con. I figure until they hold one in a strip club where duelling is accepted as a form of dispute resolution as to who gets the next lap dance from a specific stripper, it's somewhat unlikely I'll attend.

See you at Dragoncon then.

"If you were the toriel cosplayer who gave me a blowjob at dragoncon, PLEASE inbox me. i think you took my wallet. it looks like an NES."

Look, here is the truth about the cons they are all dying of old age. There will be a few young defectives scattered about them here and there but by and large it's for aging Gen Xers on up.

I honestly don't know why she goes on about nuanced intersectionality of inclusive word-salad, word salad. When the biggest problem these cons have now is where do you empty the colostomy bag? They are pretty much all that old.

There is the specialized, over priced junk in the dealers room, you can find for half price with ten minutes on Google. That's always fun to look at.

The ones that doing well are big corporate cons and the animecons. Big ones have corporate sponsors and the animecons have good looking chicks with really low self esteem.

Any kind of familiarity with game will get you laid at an animecon. You will be a shark surrounded by minnows. Caveat; you will also be dealing with the worst White Knight Gammas under the sun, just keep that in mind.

Even the word diversity is starting to tickle my vomit impulses, I think today's latest claptrap from the UN's head of migration takes the cake though.I'm not usually one to promote capital punishment, I don't condone it but I would not protest if this man was charged for a capital offense, such as high treason.http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/21/europe-open-borders-economic-migrants/

VD's prediction of 8-10 years before civil war seems too optimistic, it looks like the globalists are pushing in the gears at a ever increasing rate. Not sure if democracy acts quick enough to prevent violent revolution with unchallenged insider instigators like Sutherland at the helm.

I will admit I am rather scared now, at the same time my bones long for war.I can't be the only one?

But if con spaces are going to survive, if they are going to attract new attendees, then everyone involved, including panelists, has to be conscious of how they are engaging with each other and with the audience.

That's true, and that's what they're doing. SJWs have some sort of disease that makes them think every time is a good time to start preaching their religion. They may pull in a few more people by doing that, but all that SJW preaching is going to cost them the current audience. It makes a lot more sense for cons to give people what they came for rather than have them think they've been kidnapped by Moonies.

VFM #8671 wrote:They are almost templated now, such that it makes me wonder if there isn't some SJW resource wherein you put your group name of choice and a few other variables, and it generates all the properly loaded language for you. A sort of SocJusZoom instead of LegalZoom.

I can't tell you how many panels I've been on/at that have done exactly your metaphor. I've been ambushed and just stuck while people make tasteless jokes about Christians/Conservatives/Trump/You (Vox)/You Name It. And turn the whole panel into that even if it's something like "Gaming and Fiction". It's awful to be at and uncomfortable for everyone there.

We all know such a person would never be invited back to speak, that you wrote about. The problem is whenever you take things and make a metaphor taking a different example -- the SJWs suddenly get stupid and "don't understand" and change the topic. Every time.

More benefits of die verse city. Illegals squat out 400 ZIKA anchor babies, each will cost more per year than their birth weight in gold. https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-cdc-says-400-pregnant-women-u-evidence-164418636--finance.html

"As a community, we have to be willing to have the harder conversations, to have the nuanced discussions, to understand that someone wanting to apply an intersectional lens to a discussion isn’t the enemy but the one trying to make things more inclusive. Are the conversations at sci fi cons changing? God, I hope so. "

As it turns out, the famous line where an American Army officer said he had to destroy a Viet Namese village to save a village was a lie invented by the press to help the Soviets. No Army man ever said it.

But apparently the SJWs actually believe this is sound and rational policy: the only way to preserve the science fiction convention is to abolish all science fiction talk, and preach the boring religious preening of social justice warrior drearwhine.

"What would Donald Trump do about aliens? How would Donald Trump address the issue of robots? What does Donald Trump have to say about sexuality?"

Your're funning, but I'd go for an "Alien robot sexuality + Trump" panel any day of the week if it had a couple of reactionary authors on it. Be surprised if it didn't fill a biggish room at DragonCon.

I saw these intersectionality SJWs in action on a panel at Dragon Con one time.

Went to a Harry Potter or Merlin panel with nephew, and all they could discuss were the homosexual themes in the shows, as if it was some kind of awe inspiring thing. An entire panel for an hour, and it was billed as discussing the season.

Actually read the quote after posting - I thought I couldn't care less - turns out I was wrong. The first sentence transported me to new vistas in the landscape of apathy. About two paragraphs in I got to the "dear God, put him out of my misery!" stage. Mercifully in the middle of the fourth paragraph I lost consciousness but not before a brief yet Arcadian vision of having a nuanced conversation with his face using a basketball bat flashed before my eyes.

What kills me is how these people just assume that a discussion panel being "pretty white" or "mostly white" is prima facie evidence that the panel was illegitimate.

Why not just set up "colored only" panels then? This is really getting dangerous. There's already a belief out there that an all-white jury cannot deliver real justice in a court of law. Whites are already second-class citizens but how long before it's formalized into law?

I attended CONvergence in the Twin Cities a few weeks ago. I was also a panelist, and knowing I would be teamed with SJWs I recorded those that I sat on. For some reason, the SJWs more or less behaved in public; it was only on Twitter when one of them backit me, and the others said nothing.

I got a sense from most attending that they weren't buying the SJW BS; the nods of approval when I said (summarized) "It's your game, your story, your creation- you do what you want, because you're don't have to do a damned thing you don't want to do." were the tells that only insiders were part of the SJW death cult.

The audience at the con, by and large, was aging and degenerating. All of the trends noted above applied here in full: pointless Dealer's Room, SJW signalling EVERYWHERE, and (at the con's closing) disclosure of a lower attendance than the previous year. (This is now a three year trend of decline.)

I'm torn between ceasing my attendance, and going full black knight next year instead of being covert about it so as to burst that bubble they're in.

Government defined diversity is crap! My ancestors are German, English, French, Scandinavia and American Indian. My Father resembled the guy on the nickel. And yet, I am classified as an old white guy by the Federal Government! Don't tell me that an African or Chinese or even an Eskimo is more diverse than I am!

Most writers are white and will therefore write from a white point of view. Want more black main characters? Get more succesful black writers.And SF is progressive. They talk about how alien intelligence compares to our ethics and morals. How to treat sentient robots and AI isntead of human races because the basic assumption is already that all humans are equal.

I thought this was a discussion about Science Fiction, not Fantasy or Magical Realism

SJW's are not just boring, they are totally clueless as well. I'm glad I've not attended any Cons for years, and avoided providing money or implied consent to ay of that crap. The $40 admission price for poking SJWs with the Hugo stick is an honourable exception, however.

Could be an interesting discussion. Do black robots also have a propensity for hair trigger violence like their human counterparts? Does a homo-robot have trouble plugging in to recharge because they favor the prong instead of the slot? Inquiring minds..