Only need to know backstory: eBay username lchange1 is making Dork bootlegs.

Thanks to daisydeadpetals and 4ibanez for gathering this information and the research. Thanks to sistinas for photos.

Making these fake copies is extremely profitable. Each Dork sells for $500 the cheapest, and making a vinyl is way cheaper than that.

There is a way to know that a Dork EP is fake. While the legit Dorks have one set of serial etched near the center of the vinyl, the fake ones have two; one of them is made by the factory that manufactured the vinyl, and the other set is manually etched with the original serial.

AFI Series recommends to abstain from buying Dork EP copies from eBay unless you cna be absolutely sure that the copy is legit and that you trust the seller. "Return policy" sellers would be better as you can return in original condition for a refund if it's a boot.

So I remember there was a list written (allegedly) by Jade of songs he was listening to back in 2005. Some of the titles no one knew. And then DU came out months and months later and we went back and found the tracks resembled early titles of DU tracks.

So I was wondering if anyone (Alli?) remembers them.

Kill Caustic was 'Ether' for example.

EDIT: Found them.

Ok. So can we line these up with potential BlaqkAudio pre-release track titles?

In the light of AFI posting, yet again, more cryptic videos and sending postcards to whom I think are DF members, both which will likely point out to a new release by the band and perhaps more rounds of secret shows, I thought I'd revive too, like the band, this board a little.

Sooo... Any thoughts on the videos and postcards? Am I the only one thinking they might regress a little more to their darker, but not necessarily harsher, material?

They arrplaying a number of classics on tour now and a few rare gems and some unplayed ones now newly played like reivers music now the world and midnight sun. Also paper airplanes! Heres midnight sun! https://youtu.be/6Oyhe6cpyvw

In the light of AFI posting, yet again, more cryptic videos and sending postcards to whom I think are DF members, both which will likely point out to a new release by the band and perhaps more rounds of secret shows, I thought I'd revive too, like the band, this board a little.

Sooo... Any thoughts on the videos and postcards? Am I the only one thinking they might regress a little more to their darker, but not necessarily harsher, material?

"I couldn't be more excited that Davey is joining the American Idiot cast to play St. Jimmy. Not only is he a good friend of mine, but I feel that he also brings the perfect energy and air of menace to the part,” says composer/co-author and lead singer of Green Day Billie Joe Armstrong. “The audience is going to freak out.”

Hmmm... thoughts?

I know the album, but I've never seen American Idiot the show, and I've been kinda curious. My roommate saw it and said she loved it... maybe I'll go check out Davey... haha.

For the past few weeks I have been in communicating with AFI's original bassist Vic Kenyon (AKA Vic Chalker) and did an interview with him for the AFINewsHQ about his days in AFI 1991-1992. He gives some awesome information about their original demo and TONS of other, never before heard, stories and cool stuff

I know this should go into the interview/reviews section, but no one checks there so I am putting it in here.

Enjoy...

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B: Were you the original bassist for AFI?

VK: yes. adam, davey, mark and i all got together in adam's parents'garage to write and play some music. mark had bought some peaveyguitar and amp, i bought some jukey bass from a fly by night musicstore in santa rosa and adam had drums which i believe were his dads.i recall davey and i shared adam's dads' bass amp for vocal and bassduties until it was blown out.

B: When you were in AFI, did AFI stand for A Fire Inside?

VK: i seem to remember AFI standing for A Bunch of Fucking Idiots. not thenicest thing to call yourself, but i really like to have cuss words ina band name. i do believe it was emulating EMF to the degree that theF didn't stand for frequency. having fuck in your band name challengesyou in flyer making and promotion, which is nice. davey really wantedto call the band 'bananas in the rough' but we call kind of thoughtthat was a little to big-hair-ish. sorry dave if i ruined your newsecret band name.

B: Can you describe how you came to join the band?

VK: not really. it's been quite some time. i'm pretty sure, though, westarted off talking about starting a band and before i knew it,everyone had instruments and we were all playing together. I use theterm playing together loosely because it took a few months before wewere actually playing the same notes although we were all playing atthe same time.

B: Other than Ny-Quil, were you involved in writing any of the music or song lyric/song titles? If so, which ones?

VK: this is a tough question because so much of music is collaborative innature. many times, many bands will have a riff that evolves to a songby jamming it out over and over. mark was a pretty prolific songwriter and would come to practice with a song written in it'sentirety, from the intro to the end with stops and accents alreadyplanned out. i would bring some riffs and we would either work themout into a song or ditch them by the roadside. i've always been a fanof letting the vocalist work out the words and the melody which is oneof the reasons that davey wrote the lyrics to nyquil (as well as mostsong that mark didn't write the words for). although i could be havinga revisionist memories here, i seem to recall writing red hat as kindof a break-up song that was a real departure from any of the previousAFI songs.

B: Can you recall the titles of any songs (if any) that you performed live that were never recorded? Any cover songs that you can remember playing live or recording?

VK: i don't recall to many song names. mark would be the authoritative onthis subject because he wrote most of them. for covers, we played'california uber-alles' at the talent show in the 11th grade. that wasa different time and place where the only bands that played wereeither silver surfer, guitar virtuoso types or metal bands doingvocal-less covers of metallica songs. needless to say we didn't win,but i thought we killed it and left the crowd kind of speechless. atthat point in time, DK wasn't an easily accessible band and i thinkeveryone thought we were these young militants from the theme of thesong. another song i recall playing (which was one of my favorites)was 'nutrition' by the dead milkmen. it's a really spunky song andkind of a non sequitur when you consider the content contrasted withthe punk songs we were playing at that time. mark was a fan of minorthreat and we covered a ton of minor threat songs in practice. we wereall huge angry samoan and decendents fans and attempted to play any oftheir songs when we could figure them out. i'm not sure if we playedit live, but i really enjoyed playing 'bikeage' by the decendents atpractice.

B: What was your relationship with the members of the band like, how did youknow them?

VK: i just saw davey at a wedding a few weeks ago and he reminded me thati was the first person to befriend him in high school. i don'tremember that but i'll take his word for it since his brain is alittle sharper than mine. we met in a transitional english class asfreshman (freshman weren't allowed to take honors classes, but wesegued into honors the subsequent year) and immediately became skateor die buddies. mark and i were in advanced math classes and artclasses together and eventually the three of us met up. adam and markwere neighbors and had known each other since childhood and markintroduced us to adam. davey, mark and i were all fringers and adamwas more of a prep at that time but we all got along well and managedto become good friends. i think the music was just another excuse totry to create something together and it ended up working out well.

B: Were there any other members of AFI that the general public does not know about (even if they were in it for a short time)?

VK: davey's dad? no, not to my knowledge.

B: What was the line up of AFI when you were in the band?

VK: the OG members, adam, davey, mark and me.

B: Do you remember your first/last live show with AFI? Anything crazy ever happen at your shows?

VK: do you mean like actually being able to finish a song without fuckingup? um... i could be confusing this with some I13 show or a loosechange show, but i seem to remember there was a crew of dudes thatloved to shoot around with no clothes on. they referred to the act as'nudie-rudey,' and, while it was essentially streaking, would run onstage while someone was playing, much to the chagrin of the band.there was also a psuedo-dance/posturing called the scarecrow robot,but i'll leave that to the readers imagination. maybe one day ayoutube clip will come out to describe it in all its glory.

B: What were your favorite AFI songs back them and what were your favorite songs to play live?

VK: that's a good question and i'd have to remember the actual song titles(which i don't) to answer this question. we really only had maybe10-15 songs, including covers, so can i say all of them?

B: Did you record any songs with AFI?

VK: we recorded our first demo with dave raitt. yes, that is bonnieraitt's brother. his son, bay raitt (who i think won an oscar for hiswork on gollum in the LotR movies), was in the same class as the fourof us and he had convinced us that his dad was an awesome engineer,although our demo didn't turn out too great. granted making a shittydemo takes more effort than from just the engineer, it was probablyone of the muddiest, low ended, speaker destroying demos i have everheard. i think we recorded four or five songs, which hopefully willnever see the light of day, in the course of a day. mastered them onthe spot and left with the demo. about three days later, adam's carspeakers had been destroyed from the lowest of low ends coming fromthat tape.

i also played bass on the dork ep. i was working at taco bell at thetime and had pulled an all-nighter when we drove to triangle sound (ithink) in lakeport. i didn't have a bass amp so i plugged right intothe console. everyone else worked on the overdubs while i sleptoutside. later after geoff replaced me, he overdubbed all of thetracks, which probably sounded a million times better.

B: Do you have any old recordings anywhere?

VK: not of AFI. i wish i had kept a few copies of dork, it could helpedpay for college!

B: Are you in this picture?

VK: i know that mock turtleneck anywhere! from left to right, adam, davey,mark, then me. i guess we are such nerds we did it in alphabeticalorder without knowing it.

B: Do you have any pictures of you playing live?

VK: not with AFI, no. although i know there are some circulating somewhere.

there was one more i didn't recall that adam reminded me of, our firstreal show. my memory of those times is a little cloudy, but i havebeen corrected. phil's house was our first "house party," kind of likea warm up show. our first real show was at the lakeport fairgrounds in(surprise!) lakeport. we didn't have a method of taking all of thedrums and equipment and the whole band to the show so a family friendvolunteered to take us there in his van. he was this real nice guynamed art who had become a paraplegic at a young age when he dove intoa shallow pool and broke his neck, hence having the van to carry hiswheelchair around. we were all stoked in the back of the van, ready toplay our very first show, when art started pulling coors lights out ofa cooler in between the driver and passenger seats while driving thewindy highway between ukiah and lakeport. at first everyone was like,whatever, it's only a beer. but then one beer turned into two, three,then eight. no one wanted to drive back with art so we all foundalternative rides for the ride home and made art schlep ourinstruments home. i felt bad at the time, but, in reality, i shouldn'thave because no ride is worth the possible consequences of drivingwith a drunk driver.

B: Why did you leave the band?

VK: i didn't leave, i was kicked out. my recollection was adam's neighbortelling me that he had heard us practice. upon my telling him i wasn'tthere and him telling me he had heard a bass, i knew the gig was up. ithink a day or two later, they handed me my papers. they had everyright to kick me out. i was a total flake (as are 99% of mostmusicians, hence why only the hard workers make it), i would show upto practice late, if at all. i didn't have the motivation to writemusic, i was preoccupied with other things besides playing music. itwas a very pivotal point in my life where i was being pulled in anumber of directions without any goals. speaking of being a flake,this reminds me of the time that i was recruited by I13 to play basswith them. adam was playing drums, N13 and jade were playing guitar. ishowed up to practice about 3 or 4 hours late, played one song andthen that was that. it was an awesome song (i think the spirit of '76)but they didn't need a bass player without a watch, either (inserttiming joke here).

B: Do you listen to current AFI? What is you favorite AFI album since your leaving of the band?

VK: to be honest, i haven't listened to an AFI album in its entirety for along time. even at the point of getting kicked out of the band, mymusical tastes were diverging from everyone else. i've followed themat shows and watched their music change and evolve. to be honest, i'mtorn between the dark hardcore when mark was writing most the musicand the poppy stuff that jade is writing now. i'm a sucker fordynamics and production and i think the music they are making now ifind most appealing.

B: Any other memories about your band mates or experiences you had with AFI that you can think of?

VK: you know, we spent a whole lot of time together as teenagers growinginto adults. there were a lot of interpersonal as well as groupdynamics that helped shape my life as far as making and keepingfriends. trying to think back it is such a blur that it's hard to pulla rabbit from the hat. i do have one funny memory that i can share. iwas the only one in AFI without a car and one of the other dudes wouldcome pick me up for school. at that time, we would eat donuts andcoffee everyday before classes started. each person would take turnsbuying donuts or bringing coffee. my number one style was to bringiced coffee that i would make the night before, but mark would alwaysbring his hot and fresh. one day, he had brought us all coffee andwhile he was pouring the coffee, began extolling the virtues of MSG tous. he then explained that MSG makes everything taste betterand that he had put MSG in the coffee. needless to say, it was thesaltiest, crappiest coffee that had ever touched my tongue. we allwent a few hours without coffee until we were ablet to procure someoff campus. with that said, i'm lucky enough to see many of the AFIersfrequently. there are a lot of memories between the past and currentcrew. for a full summary of experiences, i think that we'll have towait for my memoirs.

I know no one looks at the AFI thread anymore and probably by the time anyone sees this it will be too late LOL

But I am interviewing Jade at the AFI/Green Day show here in AZ. I have 10 minutes with him and am open to some questions. I have a bunch already but I am going to pick some from suggestions I get. So speak now....

I rather enjoyed this one. I have no idea what in the hey Davey is wearing, but he seems a lot nicer than he has been lately. He's funny again! And I'm a little sad they didn't give Jade a mic. BOO. YAY Blaqk Audio though.

but i've been listening to crash love a heap lately and i think its fair great, except veronica sawyer smokes, thats a shit song, but all the same i think the albums great. specally the bonus track; fainting spells. anyway, i dunno theres songs on DU that grab Me and after seeing afi after this tour the Crash Love songs grab me so yeh. not too sure

Anyone seen this. It like the Jesus is my Homeboy, but Davey, Etc. Had it on old computer and lost it. New g/f's mom owns an actual tshirt printing place, so the time is now. Hope someone has it. I've searched around the net and cant find it anywhere. Thanks guys.

According to Davey on ask AFI, its not a full clothing line, just tees and it will just be available from the website for now. Oh, and apparently Jade did the music that's looped in the background of the site.