after obtaining at least one stage of enlightenment i have tried multiple times the drug cannabis. It induces at least some form of anxiety and my mind has found it unavoidable, during influence of the drug i feel this abnormal anxiety and perhaps( no certainty/insight because recollection is unable of being perfect) i have gone through stages of enlightenment again? does anybody have experience with drugs while having some form of attainment. or any form of losing insight?44

i have much confidence in this conclusion because before enlightenment the drug was more enjoyable and pleasing but now it brings undesirable feelings.

The re-enlightenement could probably be just the spotting of suffering links and related

Cannabis is similar but also very different then most other drugs, while like other drugs it shuts things down functions in ur body it also opens them up, Canniboids are natural and we have Cannabis receptors.

I feel there might be some bias opinions because its drug use but try and keep an opened mind

Last edited by xtracorrupt on Fri Oct 26, 2012 12:27 pm, edited 1 time in total.

You should see a teacher of the method you practice and let them tell you how enlightened you are rather than judging it for yourself, if thats whats going on. If you are using pot and you feel its affecting your mental stability, why are you doing that?

A monk asked Unmon, "Not a single thought arises: is there any fault or not?"Unmon said, "Mt. Sumeru."~Case 19, The Book of Equanimity

im not judging my enlightenment because i have no need for so, it was in form of realization/insight however i can't officially define it. I use the drug because it has because incorporated in my lifestyle and refusing it would be a matter of judgement therefore entitling that i require not to do it. i find it difficult to understand how the buddha would strictly restrict drugs usage because of loss of mindfulness, when much information can be gained from the matter.

i have learned much from switching to an suffering/anxiety free realm into a one again stress present realm.

i have learned that i became ignorant and doubtful because off difficulty recollecting memories induced by the drug

and that concentration is elevated when one is focused on a natural interest rather then a attachment imposed interest

if cannabis is making me suffer i will probably lose interest in it naturally anyhow

and by saying refusing would be a form of judgement because i would be judging that i shouldn't partake in this activity because i am attached to one of the percepts(example)

if i truly have no attachment, then i have no need for anything therefore i have no need to abstain from cannabis, I'm not even saying i will use it again, but I'm saying if i become interest i have no reason to deny myself access

xtracorrupt wrote:if cannabis is making me suffer i will probably lose interest in it naturally anyhow

and by saying refusing would be a form of judgement because i would be judging that i shouldn't partake in this activity because i am attached to one of the percepts(example)

The precept you are referring to is about keeping a clear mind so that you have some chance that your practice of buddhism will bear fruit, not so that you can prove that you can cut corners and beat the system.Lose the drugs. You will end up happier for it and may actually end up finding something real.

A monk asked Unmon, "Not a single thought arises: is there any fault or not?"Unmon said, "Mt. Sumeru."~Case 19, The Book of Equanimity

In case you aren't trolling, I'll give you advice you should listen to. You are clearly deluded, thinking that you're enlightened. Enlightened people don't feel suffering. You are experiencing suffering because of cannabis. You are on the way to a full blown psychosis, and, if you inform yourself, you'll see that cannabis is to blame. You're not enlightened. Get off cannabis imediatly. You only get tired of cannabis when it hurt you really, really, really bad. I say because I know from experience.

So, before that, get away from cannabis and consult with a psychiatrist as soon as possible.

He turns his mind away from those phenomena, and having done so, inclines his mind to the property of deathlessness: 'This is peace, this is exquisite — the resolution of all fabrications; the relinquishment of all acquisitions; the ending of craving; dispassion; cessation; Unbinding.' (Jhana Sutta - Thanissaro Bhikkhu translation)

Modus.Ponens wrote:In case you aren't trolling, I'll give you advice you should listen to. You are clearly deluded, thinking that you're enlightened. Enlightened people don't feel suffering. You are experiencing suffering because of cannabis. You are on the way to a full blown psychosis, and, if you inform yourself, you'll see that cannabis is to blame. You're not enlightened. Get off cannabis imediatly. You only get tired of cannabis when it hurt you really, really, really bad. I say because I know from experience.

So, before that, get away from cannabis and consult with a psychiatrist as soon as possible.

xtracorrupt wrote:and by saying refusing would be a form of judgement because i would be judging that i shouldn't partake in this activity because i am attached to one of the percepts(example)

Of course people hooked to drugs will probably argue the reality away, that there is no problem with the drugs, that it would be wrong not taking them and finding all sorts of crude reasons for sticking with their addiction. This isn't attainment, it's attachment.

Your confusion about cannabis indicates you're not "elightened" (or getting re-"enlightened") by any Buddhist sense of the word, and unless your using the cannabis for a legitemate medical problem (or occasionally and moderately for recreation), it will only hinder progress on the path.

Also, remember, contrary to legend, it can be addictive and is intoxicating to most.

Modus.Ponens wrote:In case you aren't trolling, I'll give you advice you should listen to. You are clearly deluded, thinking that you're enlightened. Enlightened people don't feel suffering. You are experiencing suffering because of cannabis. You are on the way to a full blown psychosis, and, if you inform yourself, you'll see that cannabis is to blame. You're not enlightened. Get off cannabis imediatly. You only get tired of cannabis when it hurt you really, really, really bad. I say because I know from experience.

So, before that, get away from cannabis and consult with a psychiatrist as soon as possible.

I agree entirely.

“No lists of things to be done. The day providential to itself. The hour. There is no later. This is later. All things of grace and beauty such that one holds them to one's heart have a common provenance in pain. Their birth in grief and ashes.” - Cormac McCarthy, The Road

Learn this from the waters:in mountain clefts and chasms,loud gush the streamlets,but great rivers flow silently.- Sutta Nipata 3.725

i have tried multiple times the drug cannabis. It induces at least some form of anxiety and my mind has found it unavoidable, during influence of the drug i feel this abnormal anxiety

Anxiety when smoking pot is actually very common. Marijuana affects different people in different ways, and if it gives you a lot of anxiety then maybe the drug isn't for you. Otherwise if you continue to smoke it, you could develop an anxious and paranoid personality.

xtracorrupt wrote:if cannabis is making me suffer i will probably lose interest in it naturally anyhow

and by saying refusing would be a form of judgement because i would be judging that i shouldn't partake in this activity because i am attached to one of the percepts(example)

if i truly have no attachment, then i have no need for anything therefore i have no need to abstain from cannabis, I'm not even saying i will use it again, but I'm saying if i become interest i have no reason to deny myself access

This notion of not making a preference because that would be showing that one is attached is unfortunately a delusion I am familiar with. It's a kind of false equanimity, whereby you don't fully care what happens, you don't fully take responsibility and you consider yourself enlightened because you are not as caught up in it all as the people around you. It is an easy way out of getting to grips with life. In Zen, it is known as a kind of an "emptiness sickness".

And just a note of encouragement, if the experience you have had has given you enough clarity to realize that you dont like being chemically impaired, thats a good thing. Good luck on your journey and keep up the good work

A monk asked Unmon, "Not a single thought arises: is there any fault or not?"Unmon said, "Mt. Sumeru."~Case 19, The Book of Equanimity

theres appears to be much misinterpretation, i would have responded earlier but i was unable to navigate through the forum

i had been using cannabis for severals years beforehand and i had always found it somewhat enjoyable, i am not pretty sure i was not addicted as i had always been taking long breaks commonly and the drug is not physically addictive unlike other substances like nicotine and alcohol. What i was trying to say it the drugs experience was completely different after first stage enlightenment, the experience seemed awful and i became attached to certain things. The re-enlightenment could have been a misconception i do not have full memory of the events because the drug effects your memory, i was just putting it out their as a possibility and was wondering for similar experiences.

i have already stopped taking drugs completely because it is a selfish and it makes me lose my mindfullness

Modus.Ponens wrote:In case you aren't trolling, I'll give you advice you should listen to. You are clearly deluded, thinking that you're enlightened. Enlightened people don't feel suffering. You are experiencing suffering because of cannabis. You are on the way to a full blown psychosis, and, if you inform yourself, you'll see that cannabis is to blame. You're not enlightened. Get off cannabis imediatly. You only get tired of cannabis when it hurt you really, really, really bad. I say because I know from experience.

So, before that, get away from cannabis and consult with a psychiatrist as soon as possible.

it appears as if your overreacting to the situation and have made all these assumptions which are unable to be proven

It sounds like you have tasted some fruit of your practice. These pleasures are more enjoyable that the mundane pleasures (ie euphoria that comes from using cannabis). As a result, the mundane pleasures are starting to lose their appeal to you. Good job!