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The Anti-War Campaign Petition signed by Ladan Afrasiabi and Ramsey Clark send shivers down my spine as they are the biggest IRI supporters.

It is needles to say that Ladan Afrasiabi has been working in tandem with Hooshang Amirahmadi promoting IRI interests and Ramsey Clark whose role in bringing Khomeini to power is known to all Iranians. Ramsey Clark is one of the defense attorneys for Saddam Hussein and has called for Washington to be put on trial;

I oppose war against Iran because of innocent people getting hurt and I believe in the fact that Iranian problem must be solved by the Iranian people . We can and we will overthrow the killer mullahs, but in the process we need the moral and political support of the international community. I sense Islamic Republic of Iran being behind this petition.

The IRI regime sooner or later will drag the Iranian nation into a devastating war, it is not because the US government is a Warmonger, but rather mullahs provocation to instigate a war. The mullahcracy regime is and has been unable to govern Iran.

The Iranian nation is suffering economically, socially, politically from the injustices imposed by the mullahs upon them.

The Islamic thugs have been conducting clandestine nuclear activities for the past 18 years. The Iranian Talibans have been

supporting international terrorism for the last 27 years. They have killed, maimed, tortured and imprisoned hundreds of thousands of Iranians since coming to power in1979. Unable to solve any of Iranian internal problems, the mullahs are seeking a war to blame their shortcomings on it as they did with Saddam Hussein?s invasion of Iran provoked by Akoond Khomeini.

The Iranian people are the most pro-American nation in the Middle East if not in the world. The Iranian Talibans have 70 million sworn enemies at home! The only reason the mullahs are seeking nuclear weapons is to be able to suppress and kill dissidents while the world would remain silent fearing their atomic bombs and their terrorist network throughout the world.

Make no mistakes about it, the mullahs will use the nuclear arms to annihilate Israel and demolish any western or regional government preventing them from exporting their revolution and brand of Islam. The Iranian people need your help to rid themselves of their terrorist rulers.

This petition is an anti-American propaganda. The US government is not waging a campaign of sanctions, hostility, and falsehood against the people of Iran. On the contrary President Bush in his 2006 State of the Union speech said:

?The same is true of Iran, a nation now held hostage by small clerical elite that is isolating and repressing its people. The regime in that country sponsors terrorists in the Palestinian territories and in Lebanon -- and that must come to an end. The Iranian government is defying the world with its nuclear ambitions -- and the nations of the world must not permit the Iranian regime to gain nuclear weapons. America will continue to rally the world to confront these threats. And tonight, let me speak directly to the citizens of Iran: America respects you, and we respect your country. We respect your right to choose your own future and win your own freedom. And our nation hopes one day to be the closest of friends with a free and democratic Iran."
His message is loud and clear to our nation and is appreciated. The Iranians need the international assistance to regain their liberty.

Once again I reiterate my anti-war position but I feel that this petition is backed by desperate despots in Tehran.

Shortly I shall organize a worldwide petition drive asking the world community to help Iranians in their quest of freedom, meanwhile I condemn this Anti-Iranian/Anti-American petition by the likes of Ramsey Clark.

Any where I see the name of that traitor Ramsey Clark, I feel to throw up!

The Attorney General of Jimmy Carter who according to his own confession had given the name of 2000 Iranian high officials to be executed by the Mullahs regime to Dr. Ebrahim Yazdi in France, can never be forgotten by the Iranians at large.
How & what kind of a beast he must have been that as guardian of justice can commit that kind of atrocity towards another friendly nation?!
Therefore no matter what is written in that petition, just bearing the signature of Ramsey Clark is enough to keep all the Iranian compatriots & nationalists away.

With your permission, I've put a link on President Bush's statement below. It is time put an end to the appeasing activities by IRI supporters outside Iran. I support what you have written below 100% and I have no doubt that millions of Iranians are with you as well.

Isn't it true that Ladan Afrasiabi the same woman who attended the 2002 conference in Esfehan/Iran? A conference that many say was for technology transfer from U.S. to Iran and weren't there allegations that she met with some top regime's authorities? Isn't it also true that Ladan Afrasiabi is the sister of Kaveh L. Afrasiabi who published an article on NIAC and wrote to Goli Ameri and encouraged U.S. to have dialogue with Iran and encouraged Goli to go against Iran Freedom Act bill? And isn't it also true that Goli who is also in close relation with AIC, NIAC and IAPAC followed his advice?

We may want to put together our own petition but not the devious and non-transparent kind they have where you can't even browse the list of signatories which reminds me of their organizations' conniving past polls.

I also strongly denounce and condemn the below shameful anti-Iranian and anti-American petition whose sole purpose is to extend the wicked life of terrorist regime of Iran.

The comments of Dr. Etebar on the IRI sympathies of some who oppose preemptive American war with Iran, including Ramsey Clark, is well taken. It is a microcosm of the same problem American paleo-conservatives faced when arguing a persuasive case against Bush's neo-conservative preemption of Iraq (for reasons very apparent now)---how to bring legitimate and rational analysis of the dangerous deficiencies and recklessness of neo-conservative policies into public discourse without linkage to the usual suspects in the antiwar movement.

General Anthony Odom, a Defense Intelligence Agency chief under Reagan, termed the Iraq invasion "the greatest strategic blunder in American military history." Pat Buchanan, Paul Craig Roberts, and General Anthony Zinni ex of CENTCOM underscore Odom's observations---yet none of these men--or myself--wish to be linked with the obvious Reds, Pinks, and IRI assets heavily present in much of the American antiwar movement where it now comes to American policy on Iran.

It is also worth noting that the dangers of foreign interventionism and global militarism in American foreign policy were historically voiced by the Old American Right--not the Left. LewRockwell.com or the paleo-conservative BATR--Old Right news service have plenty of archival evidence on this for ActivistChat readers.

Meanwhile, a coherent policy on Iran continues to elude America's neo-conservative policy elite. How can the IRI be neutralized and eventually eliminated, while avoiding a series of political, economic, and military disasters that eclipse the mess neo-conservatives have already made of Iraq? Will we witness the killings of massive numbers of Iranian civilians in American airstrikes? Will the IRGC be introduced actively in cross-border insurgency warfare in Iraq? Will the hardened/dispersed nuclear sites in Iran be harder to eliminate than the American and Israeli air forces estimate? Will Asian banks--especially China's--dump some of the 2 trillion dollars in American debt they presently possess onto an international currency market in a retaliatory action that will cause the dollar and the global economy to plummet? Will oil surge to $130-$260 a barrel if a tanker is sunk in the Strait of Hormuz courtesy of a Sunburn missile? Is the United States ready for terror activities within its own borders at the hands of IRI cell groups already in place? What happens if the political blowback caused by an American and/or Israeli strike on Iran results in the destruction of the present governments in Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan? And has the United States thought about what would replace the IRI regime in Tehran if the latter is effectively eliminated? If American boots on the ground become necessary in the aftermath of aerial preemption, will occupying Iran and its 70 million inhabitants be easier than in Iraq? And will the American public support a reinstitution of the Military Draft if aerial preemption produces the effects of the "law of unintended consequences?" To what extent is potential American military action in Iran driven by oil bourse politics and Israel? All of this must be examined by the American Congress before it is too late.

One thing is sure--if the crowd that produced American policy in Iraq is calling the shots on Iran policy, all of us are in big trouble in the weeks ahead. _________________Mark Dankof
http://www.MarkDankof.com

The comments of Dr. Etebar on the IRI sympathies of some who oppose preemptive American war with Iran, including Ramsey Clark, is well taken. It is a microcosm of the same problem American paleo-conservatives faced when arguing a persuasive case against Bush's neo-conservative preemption of Iraq (for reasons very apparent now)---how to bring legitimate and rational analysis of the dangerous deficiencies and recklessness of neo-conservative policies into public discourse without linkage to the usual suspects in the antiwar movement.

General Anthony Odom, a Defense Intelligence Agency chief under Reagan, termed the Iraq invasion "the greatest strategic blunder in American military history." Pat Buchanan, Paul Craig Roberts, and General Anthony Zinni ex of CENTCOM underscore Odom's observations---yet none of these men--or myself--wish to be linked with the obvious Reds, Pinks, and IRI assets heavily present in much of the American antiwar movement where it now comes to American policy on Iran.

It is also worth noting that the dangers of foreign interventionism and global militarism in American foreign policy were historically voiced by the Old American Right--not the Left. LewRockwell.com or the paleo-conservative BATR--Old Right news service have plenty of archival evidence on this for ActivistChat readers.

Meanwhile, a coherent policy on Iran continues to elude America's neo-conservative policy elite. How can the IRI be neutralized and eventually eliminated, while avoiding a series of political, economic, and military disasters that eclipse the mess neo-conservatives have already made of Iraq? Will we witness the killings of massive numbers of Iranian civilians in American airstrikes? Will the IRGC be introduced actively in cross-border insurgency warfare in Iraq? Will the hardened/dispersed nuclear sites in Iran be harder to eliminate than the American and Israeli air forces estimate? Will Asian banks--especially China's--dump some of the 2 trillion dollars in American debt they presently possess onto an international currency market in a retaliatory action that will cause the dollar and the global economy to plummet? Will oil surge to $130-$260 a barrel if a tanker is sunk in the Strait of Hormuz courtesy of a Sunburn missile? Is the United States ready for terror activities within its own borders at the hands of IRI cell groups already in place? What happens if the political blowback caused by an American and/or Israeli strike on Iran results in the destruction of the present governments in Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan? And has the United States thought about what would replace the IRI regime in Tehran if the latter is effectively eliminated? If American boots on the ground become necessary in the aftermath of aerial preemption, will occupying Iran and its 70 million inhabitants be easier than in Iraq? And will the American public support a reinstitution of the Military Draft if aerial preemption produces the effects of the "law of unintended consequences?" To what extent is potential American military action in Iran driven by oil bourse politics and Israel? All of this must be examined by the American Congress before it is too late.

One thing is sure--if the crowd that produced American policy in Iraq is calling the shots on Iran policy, all of us are in big trouble in the weeks ahead.

Dear Mark,
You have presented many problems, blames, questions and no solution or recommendations. Certainly U.S. made number of big mistakes in Iraq . Now assume you are in charge,
What do you suggest for freeing Iran?
What is your strategy for freeing Iran?
Please educate us.
Regards,
Cyrus

I would begin by asking the question I cannot answer with good qualitative inside data: What percentage of Iranians inside and outside Iran truly want to get rid of the IRI regime? What percentage of these would take up arms to get rid of the Mullahs, if provided? Who is present in the Iranian expatriate community to organize an effective, broad-based resistance to the IRI? What is the true present state of their organization? Does the Iranian expatriate movement have a unified position on the political alternative to the IRI? What percentage of the 70 million people living in Iran would honestly back that alternative with direct participation in an independence movement?

In the last analysis, the answers to these questions can only be provided by the Iranian people themselves. Actions taken by an American President without the explicit consent of Congress, and perceived to be primarily motivated by American/Israeli/and British corporate interests--to the exclusion of the restoration of a free, autonomous, and independent Iran--would be disastrous._________________Mark Dankof
http://www.MarkDankof.com

The organization StopWarOnIran.org and its circulating petition of protest against a possible war between the Islamic Republic of Iran (IRI) regime and the West (see http://stopwaroniran.org/statement.shtml ), is yet another example of the Pink/Red portion of the constituency that contributed to the overthrow of Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlavi in 1979. Mr. Ramsey Clark, the former United States Attorney General, who in the best tradition of American humorist Will Rogers has never met a Leftist or Communist he didn't like, has re-emerged as a spearhead of this latest attack upon the Persian Monarchy and the memory of the Shah. Worse yet, Mr. Clark and his fellow-travelers have maintained a complete silence regarding the criminal character of the IRI regime, and its continuing assault upon the human rights of the men, women, and children of Iran--a record which includes the murder of independent journalists, the assassination of political dissidents at home and abroad, the systematic denial of the rights of Iranian women, the routine torture and execution of minors, the employment of the tenets of Islamic fundamentalist theocracy to destroy the foundations of a Constitutional Republic rooted in democratic freedom of _expression, and now the "election" of Mr. Ahmadinejad last summer as President--a personal participant in mass murder as an especially zealous past member of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), who now struts his credentials as a Holocaust denier and one committed to "wiping Israel off the map."

And the distorted history of the Pahlavi era in Iran presented by StopWarOnIran.org and its petition cannot be corrected in a single letter. I would simply refer those interested in the real history of this era to the Shah's final memoirs in his book, Answer to History. Can anyone believe that a fair reading of the history of Iran between 1953 and 1978, whatever its shortcomings and failures, can possibly be compared to what Islamic fundamentalism has wrought in our Nation for the last 27 years?

But even more important for the luminaries who serve as signatories for this petition--ranging from QueerJustice.org to the Communist Party, USA of Wisconsin--the following question must be asked: What would the fate of these Leftists and Reds be if they resided in the Islamic Republic of the Mullahs? The alliance of Red (Communist) and Black (Islamic Mullahs) which overthrew the Shah in 1979 had its primary Marxist component in the form of the Mujaheddin-e-Khalq (MKO) terrorist organization. But once the Mullahs were triumphant, what happened to the MKO and its sympathizers in post-Revolutionary Iran at the hands of the Islamic theocrats? The answer to this should be a wake-up call to Mr. Clark and his allies to re-examine their own strategy and motives in giving the Islamic Republic of Iran (IRI) regime a free pass from the critical standards they seem to apply exclusively to the Shah's reign--which itself ended at the hands of a conspiracy of British Petroleum, the Ball/Brezinzski crowd at the Trilateral Commission, and the Bilderberg Group in 1978 which ushered in the reign of terror of Khomeini as a chosen tool of the global corporate interests Mr. Clark claims to oppose. This last fact is also conveniently ignored by the other denizens of StopWarOnIran.org.

Now I freely admit that war between the United States and Iran is frought with risk and potential tragedy beyond human comprehension, including the danger of a mushrooming expansion of such a conflict into a 3rd World War. I also acknowledge that American conservatives like Pat Buchanan and my friend, Mark Dankof, have also sounded the alarm on the dangers of the use of a preemptive military policy against Iran. But it is equally true that the deterioration of the situation between the West and Iran which might end in such a cataclysm is the direct result of a collective policy of wholesale appeasement of the Islamic Republic of Iran (IRI) on the part of Western governments, mass media, and academics. This is the central truth of the matter that has now resulted in the present diplomatic standoff and impasse. And had this policy of appeasement been replaced with one of principled, unified opposition to the Mullahs and their sick ideology over a period of many years, the Islamic Republic of Iran would have already been consigned to the ashheap of history. The people of Iran would be free. The world would not be faced with the terrible choice of either preemptive war or nuclear capability in the hands of a cabal of corrupt religious fanatics. There would be a regime in place in Iran which reaffirms the Monarchy with the accompanying foundational vision for human rights which characterized Cyrus the Great and the Achaemenids, along with a freely elected Majlis and Prime Minister operating under the 1906 Constitution of Iran.

Finally, do Mr. Ramsey Clark and his ilk want Islamic fundamentalists who believe in the totalitarian Doctrine of the Jurisprudent to possess the capability to manufacture a nuclear weapon? And if such a capability is attained--and later used--by the Mullahs, will the resulting mass death and destruction to the innocent of the world not be the primary moral fault of those who turned a blind eye and deaf ear to the crimes of Islamic theocracy, and who failed to implement a collective global policy of economic and political blockade of such a criminal regime by the world's civilized governments as an alternative to what now seems to be an inevitable war?

Oh, yes. There is another question on my part. What are the significant international sources of funding for StopWarOnIran.org? Arab regimes? Russia? Communist China? Others? Will they be fairly identified? Or will they continue to operate in the darkest of shadows as they did 27 years ago?