See that's fine with me. To me the draft is all about raw talent. I don't really like finished products. I'm not a fan of high floor low ceiling guys. They translate to average players in the NFL.

Ideally you want both great measurables and refined talent, but to me athleticism translates to the NFL. Skill can be taught.

I'm not advocating that you always go with a raw freak, but when you do find one, I think you go through the diligence of digging into him and seeing if he's a piece of clay you can work with. And if he is, I'm all for it.

I feel that Ansah is like JPP in the sense that he's a piece of clay that will work out in the NFL and pay huge rewards under the right coaching and program. In our program, Ansah would flourish. We know how to develop pass rushers.

I agree, with the draft you are looking at 2-3 years into the future. Sometines freak physical tools can make a difference.

Sure it is nice if guys contribute early, but really you are rolling the dice with what they can be down the track.

If we drafted Ansah (and I do think we are the best situation for him), he will not get a lot of reps in his first year. He will sit behind Tuck and learn, while getting situational reps and probably featuring in our NASCAR packages.

The added plus is that by having a guy with Ansah's physical tools and (albeit raw) instincts breathing down his neck, Tuck is really going to be pushed to perform each week. You can also be sure Tuck would work his tail off in the offseason.

Damn, I really want Sheldon Richardson so bad. Dude is such a beast. I really wish we had a chance at him but sadly we don't.

We have four teams ahead of us changing their defensive fronts (Philadelphia, Cleveland, New Orleans and Dallas), so that is going to change how the draft unfolds. I am also expecting some players to really excel at the combine next week.

I want Zeke or Tank in rounds one or two, if that happens I don't much care about the rest of our picks as we should be able to snag a good DB and OL or DT with our other two day 1&2 picks. But those two are just perfect to line up opposite JPP moving forward.

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JPP is a better and more productive player than Brandon Graham

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Is Shaun Hill a top 10 QB? Definitely not. Is he a top 20 one? Almost certainly.

Eh. I dunno. Ansah is a safer pick to me. Sounds crazy I know, but DTs bust so often in the NFL I rather get a DE. Plus I feel DE impacts the game more.

He is, but Sheldon is special. His athleticism for the position is insane. DE impacts the game more because good DT's are harder find, for some of the reasons that have been mentioned (including they bust more). But if you can get a great DT that opens up A LOT for your exterior pass rush. To me that makes a great DT more valuable than great DE.

I'd definitely go Richardson if he's there over Ziggy, and I absolutely LOVE Ziggy and have since I watched him months ago.

I'm just nervous with DTs. I've seen so many sure fire DTs in the past turn to nothing. We can list em. The last 2 sure fire DTs to make it were Suh and McCoy, and only now has McCoy finally started bringing in a return (due to health).

And those 2 were like the 2 best DT prospects of the past 10 years. And the funny thing is a 4th round DT in the same draft class, Geno Atkins, is better than both of them.

DT is so hard to scout. You just never know what youre gonna get with them. If he's the pick I won't be upset with it, he's been growing on me alot lately, but I still take Ansah over him.

i LOVE how we A) need front 7 and B) this is a front 7 heavy draft. Easily my favorite aspect of football. I just love the front 7, idk haha. It's great talking about all this. So many prospects and possibilities

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Originally Posted by PalmerToCJ

BTW, if it's 3rd and 97... I'm throwing a screen pass to Brian Leonard and he will convert.

There is even good depth at WR, TE and RB if after free agency these became needs.

Bear in mind though, that we are not likely to get immediate starters in the draft, our philosphy is generally building with the idea 2-3 years in the future with the rookies competing with veterans for playing time.