They are still going to try to push through a trillion dollar health care bill no matter what their constituents want. It makes me sick.

Amnorix

02-18-2010, 04:00 PM

There isn't a single democrat who deserves to be re-elected in 2010.

Thank you for your wise insight. What evidence do you have to support the thought that Republicans are any better at running the federal government than Democrats?

vailpass

02-18-2010, 04:06 PM

Thank you for your wise insight. What evidence do you have to support the thought that Republicans are any better at running the federal government than Democrats?

Who said anyone currently serving is worthy of their position? IMHO all should be scrutinized on a case-by-case basis no matter which side of the aisle they call home.

bluehawkdoc

02-18-2010, 05:16 PM

Who said anyone currently serving is worthy of their position? IMHO all should be scrutinized on a case-by-case basis no matter which side of the aisle they call home.

I agree. Dem or Rep, if you don't vote the will of the people who voted you into office: GTFO!

Chief Henry

02-18-2010, 05:31 PM

They are still going to try to push through a trillion dollar health care bill no matter what their constituents want. It makes me sick.

So much for the televised meeting Barry wanted later this month with the Republicans.

Taco John

02-18-2010, 05:41 PM

They are still going to try to push through a trillion dollar health care bill no matter what their constituents want. It makes me sick.

Don't worry about it. They're just scrambling to save their jobs. About 90% of everything from now until November is for show.

patteeu

02-18-2010, 09:19 PM

Thank you for your wise insight. What evidence do you have to support the thought that Republicans are any better at running the federal government than Democrats?

LOL, I didn't say anything about the Republicans. I'd say that any Republican who voted for porkulus or the health care boondoggle deserve to be turned out as well. Most of the others deserve a chance in the majority where their votes matter.

If I had to choose between getting rid of everyone or letting a single current democrat have two more years, getting rid of everyone is the easy choice.

Saul Good

02-18-2010, 10:09 PM

LOL, I didn't say anything about the Republicans. I'd say that any Republican who voted for porkulus or the health care boondoggle deserve to be turned out as well. Most of the others deserve a chance in the majority where their votes matter.

Let's add the prescription drug bill and McCain Feingold to the list.

ChiefaRoo

02-18-2010, 10:10 PM

Thank you for your wise insight. What evidence do you have to support the thought that Republicans are any better at running the federal government than Democrats?

the 1994 Congress moron.

whoman69

02-19-2010, 09:38 AM

the 1994 Congress moron.

What makes the 1994 Congress any different than the 2000 Congress?

whoman69

02-19-2010, 09:47 AM

There isn't a single democrat who deserves to be re-elected in 2010.

So the Republicans that blocked anything from going through should be? There is all this talk about how the people didn't want healthcare. Revisionist thinking. It was one of the biggest subjects of the past elections. The fact that the Republicans presented the healthcare package with hyperbole about socialism and death panels doesn't make them any more fit to run the government. Their own package only takes account for 7% of people without insurance, nothing more than a bandage on a gaping wound. Neither side really put forth any ideas to stem the real problem, spiraling healthcare costs.

Congress spent the whole year trying to get healthcare passed without result which meant they could do nothing about energy, outsourcing, tax reform. Why is it that Bush was able to push through his agenda without a supermajority while Obama can't with one? Answer, the Dems didn't require a supermajority to pass everything on their plate.

Congratulation Republicans, you cockblocked the government for the last year without offering any new ideas on your own. Its your own governing that caused the problem in the first place. We should trust you again?

whoman69

02-19-2010, 09:51 AM

Let's add the prescription drug bill and McCain Feingold to the list.

Until bribery in the form of campaign contributions are taken out of the question with public financing of elections, the people who write the checks will always write the policy.

Campaign contributions are a first ammendement right? Since when is bribery a first ammendment right. I have no problem with lobbyists in Washington as long as they don't write the campaign checks.

stevieray

02-19-2010, 09:52 AM

. Its your own governing that caused the problem in the first place.

:rolleyes:

HonestChieffan

02-19-2010, 09:59 AM

So the Republicans that blocked anything from going through should be? There is all this talk about how the people didn't want healthcare. Revisionist thinking. It was one of the biggest subjects of the past elections. The fact that the Republicans presented the healthcare package with hyperbole about socialism and death panels doesn't make them any more fit to run the government. Their own package only takes account for 7% of people without insurance, nothing more than a bandage on a gaping wound. Neither side really put forth any ideas to stem the real problem, spiraling healthcare costs.

Congress spent the whole year trying to get healthcare passed without result which meant they could do nothing about energy, outsourcing, tax reform. Why is it that Bush was able to push through his agenda without a supermajority while Obama can't with one? Answer, the Dems didn't require a supermajority to pass everything on their plate.

Congratulation Republicans, you cockblocked the government for the last year without offering any new ideas on your own. Its your own governing that caused the problem in the first place. We should trust you again?

No one has said we should not reform HC. Thats just more silly baseless talk. Republicans have been proposing HC ideas all along. What we should be thankful for is the blockage of the current two HC bills that the people clearly oppose in large numbers. To assert that the R's dont want HC reform is absurd. Equally to say the people want the two crap bills the dems have moved forward is equally absurd.

Like many O supporters/liberals you seem to believe that only the ideas of the left have merit and any effort to stop them are just a party thing. That is why we will see massive changes in November. Your party leadership cannot read the tea leaves.

Your guy with Pelosis help smashed through Cap and Trade. That is a bad bill. Its a tax. Its based on the false science of Al Gore and will harm every family and business in the country...and would lead to further costs and as result more outsourcing. If you want to deal with business leaving the US then you have to do something that may be good for business. Your guy is clearly anti business and has shown no interest in changing his stand.

Dont blame the republicans for not supporting bad legislation. Thank them for it. If we have an example of legislation from Nancy, Harry, and the White House that has merit, the Republicans will back it.

Radar Chief

02-19-2010, 10:09 AM

So the Republicans that blocked anything from going through should be? There is all this talk about how the people didn't want healthcare. Revisionist thinking. It was one of the biggest subjects of the past elections. The fact that the Republicans presented the healthcare package with hyperbole about socialism and death panels doesn't make them any more fit to run the government. Their own package only takes account for 7% of people without insurance, nothing more than a bandage on a gaping wound. Neither side really put forth any ideas to stem the real problem, spiraling healthcare costs.

Congress spent the whole year trying to get healthcare passed without result which meant they could do nothing about energy, outsourcing, tax reform. Why is it that Bush was able to push through his agenda without a supermajority while Obama can't with one? Answer, the Dems didn't require a supermajority to pass everything on their plate.

Congratulation Republicans, you cockblocked the government for the last year without offering any new ideas on your own. Its your own governing that caused the problem in the first place. We should trust you again?

:spock: Republicans “cockblocking”? LMAO You’re ridiculous. Dems could’ve gotten through whatever they wanted and all Republicans could do is complain about it. :bong:

whoman69

02-19-2010, 01:11 PM

:spock: Republicans “cockblocking”? LMAO You’re ridiculous. Dems could’ve gotten through whatever they wanted and all Republicans could do is complain about it. :bong:

To do that 100% of Dems would have to vote for it because of Republicans linking it to a supermajority necessary. There has never been any intention to have a supermajority resolve everyday topics the way the Republicans have insisted. Where was all this cockblocking when Bush was the pres? He pretty much got passed what he wanted passed.

Radar Chief

02-19-2010, 01:20 PM

To do that 100% of Dems would have to vote for it because of Republicans linking it to a supermajority necessary. There has never been any intention to have a supermajority resolve everyday topics the way the Republicans have insisted.

Doesn't change a word I posted, beyond the addition of cry me a river.

Where was all this cockblocking when Bush was the pres? He pretty much got passed what he wanted passed.

Hello, judicial nominations?
Are you freak’n serious with this dipshitery?

whoman69

02-19-2010, 03:03 PM

Doesn't change a word I posted, beyond the addition of cry me a river.

Hello, judicial nominations?
Are you freak’n serious with this dipshitery?

I already mentioned the judicial nominations, so the only dipshit here is you. I stated that Bush did not even put in nominations for half of the judicial positions. Its also a fact that there were more open positions when Clinton took office than when Bush did. Dems were just following the procedures put in place by the Republicans when Clinton was in office. So sure Dems will try to use their muscle to effect the diatribe, but they did so with a higher percent of people in office and did not do it to anywhere near the frequency the Republicans have.

Radar Chief

02-19-2010, 03:34 PM

I already mentioned the judicial nominations, so the only dipshit here is you.

Oh, so you realize what a hypocrite you’re being. Good.
And I didn’t call you a dipshit, I was trying to leave open the possibility you were kidding. Though you’re certainly earning the title now. :thumb:

Norman Einstein

02-20-2010, 04:02 AM

To do that 100% of Dems would have to vote for it because of Republicans linking it to a supermajority necessary. There has never been any intention to have a supermajority resolve everyday topics the way the Republicans have insisted. Where was all this cockblocking when Bush was the pres? He pretty much got passed what he wanted passed.

Then why was the dems talking about it so much? Why were they making such a big deal out of it? Why did they shit the bed when Brown won in Mass?

patteeu

02-20-2010, 08:53 AM

So the Republicans that blocked anything from going through should be? There is all this talk about how the people didn't want healthcare. Revisionist thinking. It was one of the biggest subjects of the past elections. The fact that the Republicans presented the healthcare package with hyperbole about socialism and death panels doesn't make them any more fit to run the government. Their own package only takes account for 7% of people without insurance, nothing more than a bandage on a gaping wound. Neither side really put forth any ideas to stem the real problem, spiraling healthcare costs.

Congress spent the whole year trying to get healthcare passed without result which meant they could do nothing about energy, outsourcing, tax reform. Why is it that Bush was able to push through his agenda without a supermajority while Obama can't with one? Answer, the Dems didn't require a supermajority to pass everything on their plate.

Congratulation Republicans, you cockblocked the government for the last year without offering any new ideas on your own. Its your own governing that caused the problem in the first place. We should trust you again?

:deevee:

Saul Good

02-20-2010, 12:51 PM

So the Republicans that blocked anything from going through should be? There is all this talk about how the people didn't want healthcare. Revisionist thinking. It was one of the biggest subjects of the past elections. The fact that the Republicans presented the healthcare package with hyperbole about socialism and death panels doesn't make them any more fit to run the government. Their own package only takes account for 7% of people without insurance, nothing more than a bandage on a gaping wound. Neither side really put forth any ideas to stem the real problem, spiraling healthcare costs.

Congress spent the whole year trying to get healthcare passed without result which meant they could do nothing about energy, outsourcing, tax reform. Why is it that Bush was able to push through his agenda without a supermajority while Obama can't with one? Answer, the Dems didn't require a supermajority to pass everything on their plate.

Congratulation Republicans, you cockblocked the government for the last year without offering any new ideas on your own. Its your own governing that caused the problem in the first place. We should trust you again?

You had a Democrat in the White House.
You had a massive Democrat majority in the HOR.
You had a Democrat supermajority in the Senate.
You still couldn't come up with a piece of legislation worthy of passing, and you blame the Republicans.

I wish the Democrats would run national ads whining about this. It just proves how feckless they are. No matter how big of a majority you give them, they aren't going to do anything worthwhile, but they will spend trillions while making the problems worse.

This country is going to hammer the Democrats in November. Why should anyone vote for them? They have absolutely nothing to offer other than the money of others.

ChiefaRoo

02-20-2010, 05:29 PM

What makes the 1994 Congress any different than the 2000 Congress?

They sent Clinton good budgets that created a surplus. Remember that?

HonestChieffan

02-20-2010, 05:47 PM

They sent Clinton good budgets that created a surplus. Remember that?

They had excellent house leadership

ChiefaRoo

02-21-2010, 12:34 PM

They had excellent house leadership

Yeah, HC I miss that time. Those guys really had it together for a few years and after they came to power and repudiated Clinton's HC program he wisely moved to the center and signed some good bills. The beginning of the end is when Newt was targeted and left office and Monica Lewinsky was a huge distraction. They should of censured the guy and left it at that. Impeachment caused them to take their eye off the ball.

If you recall Clinton did raise taxes early in his term which Obama will bring us back to when the Bush tax cuts sunset but overall the mid 90's was a good economic time and we grew out of our defecit spending eventhough is was only shortlived.

BigChiefFan

02-21-2010, 12:44 PM

Some of you still just don't get it. It's the American people's rights versus the federal government's rights. There is no Republican party and Democrate party, only in name. It's the same agenda, by BOTH SIDES for a majority of the politicians.

acesn8s

02-21-2010, 01:11 PM

There isn't a single democrat who deserves to be re-elected.FYP

acesn8s

02-21-2010, 01:12 PM

Thank you for your wise insight. What evidence do you have to support the thought that Republicans are any better at running the federal government than Democrats?none vote them out too!

acesn8s

02-21-2010, 01:23 PM

:spock: Republicans “cockblocking”? LMAO You’re ridiculous. Dems could’ve gotten through whatever they wanted and all Republicans could do is complain about it. :bong:This.

Nothing got done because the Dems couldn't even agree on how to screw things up.

acesn8s

02-21-2010, 01:28 PM

You had a Democrat in the White House.
You had a massive Democrat majority in the HOR.
You had a Democrat supermajority in the Senate.
You still couldn't come up with a piece of legislation worthy of passing, and you blame the Republicans.

I wish the Democrats would run national ads whining about this. It just proves how feckless they are. No matter how big of a majority you give them, they aren't going to do anything worthwhile, but they will spend trillions while making the problems worse.

This country is going to hammer the Democrats in November. Why should anyone vote for them? They have absolutely nothing to offer other than the money of others.They also say that the record cold temps are caused by global warming.

Saul Good

02-21-2010, 02:04 PM

They also say that the record cold temps are caused by global warming.

They're like somebody who sings while wearing headphones. They can't really hear themselves, so they have no idea how awful they sound.

go bo

02-21-2010, 03:47 PM

There isn't a single democrat who deserves to be re-elected in 2010.yeah, but what's "deserves" got to do with it?