However we do have distributers and exhibitors who decide which movies goes in theaters and ends up on DVDs etc. We are a smaller market so some untransparent censorship could be going on.

But then again could we actually censor anything in the country of Muhammed cartoons.

Snap. The BBFC haven't censored anything, they've ruled it uncertifiable. The BBFC are not censors, they are a classification board.

Isn't it semantics?

In essence it's censorship. They can suggest cuts so certain classifications apply to the creators and they can refuse to classify so you can't buy it in stores.

In Denmark thats just not possible. Anything can be released and sold with or without rating and not everything gets rated (depending on audience size not content) - it's just guidance and consumer information.

While I applaud the transparecy at least in BBFC it's de facto censorship just voluntary. It's not hard censorship by any means, but you won't see the same cuts in Denmark or DVD's not getting a classification and therefore not in stores.

We have 2 banned movies according to wikipedia (citation needed) and they are very old. One weird one I don't know about from 1937 and funnily enough The Ten Commandments (1956) the Charlton Heston one. They pretty much are unbanned now.

Isn't The Devils still banned?

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I'm amazed people are getting riled up over the banning of this film. Take China; I remember reading about the films made in their own native country were banned and the filmmakers restricted from working for years because those films conflicted with their political agendas. The banning of films like those should always be criticized, most of them are truly about something and have artistic merit. Whereas The Human Centipede 2 is about a psycho who sexually degrades and tortures innocent victims for the whole duration of the film. Yeah, really something to get up in arms about isn't it? So go ahead and import the film if you want, just be glad you CAN do that here unlike in Australia whose border customs would seize its arrival and slap you with a heavy fine or worse yet even maybe prosecute the sellers and buyers. Just think about that.

PS: If you truly, actually wanna see this film not because of some futile anti-censorship statement that no-one other than your bedroom mirror reflection is paying attention to but because you actually consider films like these entertainment. Admit it, you must be a bit of a cunt really. Just saying.

Except that HC2 is available on DVD in Australia so your argument is moot.

And I'll admit to being a cunt for having actually enjoyed horror films where people are degraded and terrorised in the past if you'll admit your a cultural fascist and a self-righteous, mary whitehouse loving pussy.

Isn't throwing pointless insults around rather than having a reasonable debate fun?

I had a look at the BBFC website to see what films had been rejected in recent years.

There's "Murder Set Pieces" and "Grotesque" - which were rejected for the same reasons as HC2 (but are available on Amazon.) A fetish film that seems to have forgotten to demonstrate that consent was given by the participants and a few video guides on growing cannabis and magic mushrooms.

"The inevitable consequence is that people who use their hard earned money to watch films about a mad scientist setting fire to his penis while eating a big plate of microwaved human excrement are somehow seen as being a bit weird."

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I'm amazed people are getting riled up over the banning of this film. Take China; I remember reading about the films made in their own native country were banned and the filmmakers restricted from working for years because those films conflicted with their political agendas. The banning of films like those should always be criticized, most of them are truly about something and have artistic merit. Whereas The Human Centipede 2 is about a psycho who sexually degrades and tortures innocent victims for the whole duration of the film. Yeah, really something to get up in arms about isn't it? So go ahead and import the film if you want, just be glad you CAN do that here unlike in Australia whose border customs would seize its arrival and slap you with a heavy fine or worse yet even maybe prosecute the sellers and buyers. Just think about that.

PS: If you truly, actually wanna see this film not because of some futile anti-censorship statement that no-one other than your bedroom mirror reflection is paying attention to but because you actually consider films like these entertainment. Admit it, you must be a bit of a cunt really. Just saying.

Except that HC2 is available on DVD in Australia so your argument is moot.

And I'll admit to being a cunt for having actually enjoyed horror films where people are degraded and terrorised in the past if you'll admit your a cultural fascist and a self-righteous, mary whitehouse loving pussy.

Isn't throwing pointless insults around rather than having a reasonable debate fun?

My argument isn't moot because HC2 isn't available anywhere yet, it hasn't got a release date, let alone Australia. But that's what they do, they seize imported goods and prosecute those involved if they're on their prohibited lists. We don't, so I'm grateful for that.

I love horror films immensely, and when I say 'films like these' I certainly don't mean other PROPER horror films, hell I'd even regard films like Martyrs, Inside and Last House on the Left a hundred notches above something like The Human Centipede flicks. Why? because those films were made to terrify and frighten audiences whereas Human Centipede is made for the sole purpose of disgusting the audiences, nothing more. Tom Sixx said "Apparently I made an horrific horror-film, but shouldn't a good horror film be horrific?" Good horrific films are - keyword - HORROR films, not horrid as in make a film where he'd have audiences react if were watching the 2 Girls 1 Cup video. And apparently that's what he's done. He made a sequel that's pushes the envelope too far solely to revolt the viewer, and that doesn't qualify as good, its just a petulant waste of celluloid

And as for 'cultural fascist mary whitehouse loving pussy', what typical pseudo-liberal child talk coming from someone who's defending a dumb film just because its banned. I'm neither liberal nor conservative but I have no problem with the BBFC's banning of this film. And I'm serious, if you regard films where its literally never-ending sexual degradation including barb-wire rape, sandpaper masturbation and forced feces-eating as your kind of entertainment - fuck you. I can't think of a single intelligent answer anyone could give as to why that kind of shit would be enjoyable.

Yeah I'm being serious. How do you know what we're missing out on, if you haven't seen it? For all we know it could be "brilliantly acted" and "well written", but my point is that we aren't able to watch it so don't actually know.

I'm amazed people are getting riled up over the banning of this film. Take China; I remember reading about the films made in their own native country were banned and the filmmakers restricted from working for years because those films conflicted with their political agendas. The banning of films like those should always be criticized, most of them are truly about something and have artistic merit. Whereas The Human Centipede 2 is about a psycho who sexually degrades and tortures innocent victims for the whole duration of the film. Yeah, really something to get up in arms about isn't it? So go ahead and import the film if you want, just be glad you CAN do that here unlike in Australia whose border customs would seize its arrival and slap you with a heavy fine or worse yet even maybe prosecute the sellers and buyers. Just think about that.

PS: If you truly, actually wanna see this film not because of some futile anti-censorship statement that no-one other than your bedroom mirror reflection is paying attention to but because you actually consider films like these entertainment. Admit it, you must be a bit of a cunt really. Just saying.

Except that HC2 is available on DVD in Australia so your argument is moot.

And I'll admit to being a cunt for having actually enjoyed horror films where people are degraded and terrorised in the past if you'll admit your a cultural fascist and a self-righteous, mary whitehouse loving pussy.

Isn't throwing pointless insults around rather than having a reasonable debate fun?

My argument isn't moot because HC2 isn't available anywhere yet, it hasn't got a release date, let alone Australia. But that's what they do, they seize imported goods and prosecute those involved if they're on their prohibited lists. We don't, so I'm grateful for that.

I love horror films immensely, and when I say 'films like these' I certainly don't mean other PROPER horror films, hell I'd even regard films like Martyrs, Inside and Last House on the Left a hundred notches above something like The Human Centipede flicks. Why? because those films were made to terrify and frighten audiences whereas Human Centipede is made for the sole purpose of disgusting the audiences, nothing more. Tom Sixx said "Apparently I made an horrific horror-film, but shouldn't a good horror film be horrific?" Good horrific films are - keyword - HORROR films, not horrid as in make a film where he'd have audiences react if were watching the 2 Girls 1 Cup video. And apparently that's what he's done. He made a sequel that's pushes the envelope too far solely to revolt the viewer, and that doesn't qualify as good, its just a petulant waste of celluloid

And as for 'cultural fascist mary whitehouse loving pussy', what typical pseudo-liberal child talk coming from someone who's defending a dumb film just because its banned. I'm neither liberal nor conservative but I have no problem with the BBFC's banning of this film. And I'm serious, if you regard films where its literally never-ending sexual degradation including barb-wire rape, sandpaper masturbation and forced feces-eating as your kind of entertainment - fuck you. I can't think of a single intelligent answer anyone could give as to why that kind of shit would be enjoyable.

So your argument basically boils down to "I don't like the sound of this, I've never seen it myself but I've decided that it's a disgustimng piece of shit and you are a depraved pervert for even considering watching it" ...

However we do have distributers and exhibitors who decide which movies goes in theaters and ends up on DVDs etc. We are a smaller market so some untransparent censorship could be going on.

But then again could we actually censor anything in the country of Muhammed cartoons.

Snap. The BBFC haven't censored anything, they've ruled it uncertifiable. The BBFC are not censors, they are a classification board.

Isn't it semantics?

In essence it's censorship. They can suggest cuts so certain classifications apply to the creators and they can refuse to classify so you can't buy it in stores.

In Denmark thats just not possible. Anything can be released and sold with or without rating and not everything gets rated (depending on audience size not content) - it's just guidance and consumer information.

While I applaud the transparecy at least in BBFC it's de facto censorship just voluntary. It's not hard censorship by any means, but you won't see the same cuts in Denmark or DVD's not getting a classification and therefore not in stores.

We have 2 banned movies according to wikipedia (citation needed) and they are very old. One weird one I don't know about from 1937 and funnily enough The Ten Commandments (1956) the Charlton Heston one. They pretty much are unbanned now.

Isn't The Devils still banned?

Dunno about that - those two are the only ones mentioned on wikipedia - the other one is called: "Ryska Snuvan" - don't know what that means.

But I doubt any fictional movie is going to get banned in Denmark we are the country that first legalized picture porn and it seems that it takes much to offend us which actually hurts is internationally where we tramble over other people feelings ergo the cartoon scandal.

It's said that the overall everyday humor in Denmark is so caustic and sarcastic in nature many people have problems when first encountering this.

I'm amazed people are getting riled up over the banning of this film. Take China; I remember reading about the films made in their own native country were banned and the filmmakers restricted from working for years because those films conflicted with their political agendas. The banning of films like those should always be criticized, most of them are truly about something and have artistic merit. Whereas The Human Centipede 2 is about a psycho who sexually degrades and tortures innocent victims for the whole duration of the film. Yeah, really something to get up in arms about isn't it? So go ahead and import the film if you want, just be glad you CAN do that here unlike in Australia whose border customs would seize its arrival and slap you with a heavy fine or worse yet even maybe prosecute the sellers and buyers. Just think about that.

PS: If you truly, actually wanna see this film not because of some futile anti-censorship statement that no-one other than your bedroom mirror reflection is paying attention to but because you actually consider films like these entertainment. Admit it, you must be a bit of a cunt really. Just saying.

Why reply to me?

I'm just making the point, that it is de facto censorship compared to other systems that are mere ratings and consumer information.

Haven't even seen HC1 nor intend to see HC2 so really don't care if I'm able to see it or not, but in principle I think that people should have that opportunity and no governing body should make that more difficult.

Freedom of speech isn't a relative term - either you have it or you don't and critisizing one instance, that doesn't seem as life and death as situations in police states do, do not exclude the other.

It's a right that easily could dissappear even though this isn't the worst thing it's a slippery slope exactly with the argument we don't want to offend that leads to self censorship and ultimately more widespread censoring of opinions or even facts to alliviate certain groups feelings whatever they may be.

One of the reasons is it's a very immaterial right that you don't really appreciate when it's there, but you very much feel if you don't or run into measures that limits it.

In Denmark we have a very debated law of anti blasphemy that de facto limits freedom of speech regarding religions, but how do you decide whether a point in a religious discussion is a serious argument that critisizes religion if religious feelings are offended by that argument as religion is based on belief and feelings and not rational discourse.

All I know is that if this isn't being shown, where does that leave my sophomore effort "How To Destroy A Tyrannosaur's Vagina In Five Easy Steps"?

I don't know, but I think it explains why I've had trouble getting a distributor for "The Baby Who Ate His Way Out"

"The Baby Who Ate His Way Out" but that comes out November 18th....it's distributed by Summit....

Any ways, personally I found HC1 to be really dull, the trailer was more exciting than the actual film in the end (didn't help I was watching on megavideo trying to get as much in before I ran out of time) But after reading the plot for the 2nd, it definitely sounds like a lot more happens 0_0. I think the BBFC know that even if stuff is banned it'll still get watched, so I interpret 'banning' it as just a way of saying this is pretty damn extreme, a bit too extreme to see on the shelf in Asda or HMV.

If you want to see the film, you'll still see the film. Personally I highly doubt I will. But with the internet being the way it is banning has kind of become pointless anyway, it's just a way of making an example, if they didn't ban it then people would just keep trying to make movies to one up it. I obviously haven't seen the movie so I can't say for sure, but it does sound like the only reason it has been made is to gross people out and push boundaries. If they let a film like this through without making an example then another film would come along even worse and see if that can be banned instead, then where would the line be drawn? This is my own personal opinion but I can't help but feel the film was made to be banned in a way, he wanted to test the censorship, like that one kid in school that pushes the teacher to see how far they can go, then they moan when they get a detention.

But either way, whether banning it was right or not, it won't stop people watching.

And as for 'cultural fascist mary whitehouse loving pussy', what typical pseudo-liberal child talk coming from someone who's defending a dumb film just because its banned. I'm neither liberal nor conservative but I have no problem with the BBFC's banning of this film. And I'm serious, if you regard films where its literally never-ending sexual degradation including barb-wire rape, sandpaper masturbation and forced feces-eating as your kind of entertainment - fuck you. I can't think of a single intelligent answer anyone could give as to why that kind of shit would be enjoyable.

I think I kinda of love you I am very much each to their own in things but I do find it really hard to get my head round someone sitting down for an evenings entertainment and putting nasty sick shit like this on. I'm glad they haven't given it a cert. Download it if you must and good luck to you but I don't want that fucked up shit being given the okay as entertainment.

I thought the first one sounded pretty depraved I didn't think it would get a second helping let alone anyone actually wanting to see it. Sometimes people really fucking scare me.

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I'm going to side against the BBFC on this one.

The first film wasn't as bad as I'd expected and definitely wasn't that goty, it was mainly just a disgusting (and original) concept.

With part 2, is's clear that the decision wasn't based on actual gore content but the fact that the film places the viewer in the protagonist's shoes regarding the sexual violence, which is a big BBFC no-no and why they're stricter on video games.

It's contradictory for them to say that they only ban based on potential harm to "average viewer" because the average viewer who would find the film that repulsive would; A) switch it off, or B) leave the cinema.

I don't think there is a shread of evidence to suggest a horror film, no natter how disgusting, can harm a well rounded adult. There were sexual deviants and nut cases raping and murdering way before the first film and I think it's quite worrying that the BBFC are starting to flex their muscles like this again.

Although the film might not hold as much artistic merit as the director maight have you believe, I'm surprised it hasn't at least been awarded a cinema certificate. As it is a horror film with made with buckets of fake blood and concenting adults the BBFC sould let right minded adults watch what they want to no matter how good/bad it is.

It it involved scenes of real animal cruelty, real violence and child abuse then by all means BBFC, ban this sick filth!

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So how does the BBFC justify putting up a certificate for 'A Serbian Film' (admittedly with 4 minutes of cuts) which is a lot more realistic and horrific than the fantasy world of the Human Centipede films ? I don't get it...does it depend what mood they are in on the day. The spokesman's statement for the BBFC condones a lot of subversiveness, most of which appears in 'A Serbian Film' so what gives?

I think the difference between A Serbian Film and THC2 (or what we've heard of it) is that ASF contains an element of actual drama - to anyone who has seen it it's pretty obvious that the film has been made with the intention of showing that the ghastliness it depicts its genuinely terrible and horrific (although I think most of us knew that baby-rape wasn't a good thing beforehand) as shown through the eyes of the protagonist. Whether or not it's effective in this is another debate altogether.

Tom Six's new creation sounds as if it's sole purpose is to show scenes of degradation solely so the main character can crack one off. While I don't agree with a blanket ban for reasons others have already stated, I can see where they're coming from*.

*Which is more than can be said for "Dr Martin", fnarr fnarr badum-tish.

I'm glad that Sallys abuse and certain long-standing forumites' obsession with offensive but semi-erudite word-play didn't cause this thread to get pulled. Both sides have made decent points.

I can understand someone saying that their right to watch this, ahem, film shouldn't be obstructed in any way but as notmyrealusername implied, because of what it is we are watching, there needs to be a line. Harsh, but true. We don't want rape and murder and nutjob psychos in our world, but we have them nonetheless. And because we try to make our world a better place I firmly believe that there should be limits; if only to help protect our children. What will be next? Children raping children whilst eating Granny's faeces, gunnning down blind people and raping them whilst shitting on the heads? Then torturing their parents and then raping them. Then making them eat their shit? What does it say about us? How have we come to this? Sure, there will always be sick sick people in this world. There always have been. But there hasn't always been access to this kind of depravity.

And to all you super-liberals, please don't say it isn't depraved. You wanna watch it? fine, knock one out/yourself out, but don't get all angry when the majority think you a little 'sick' to the rest. What if Hitler had made these films (using actors)? He might have called it 'art' too. Maybe I'm straying away from the main point here. Just don't get surprised when the governing body decide to pull the plug. I'll leave you with this; if there was a rally, in favour of non-descrimination laws/censorship or what ever u feel like calling them todat, such as the ones used by BBFC when running the rule over film releases, and they were calling for marchers to protest, in your town.....would you turn up? What about if the march went past your office? And your boss' house? What if they were carrying giant movie screens showing the film in all it's uncut glory? What if they were filming you and all your buddies and streaming it live all over world? Still show up? I guess I'd admire u a little bit if u did, but I'd question why your belief in the film outweighed most of the civilised world thinking you were a sick nutjob.

I don't want ANYTHING to be banned. But people, we have to have limits. As to the Serbian Film being allowed because it had references to the war and had German actors in it, jesus. Is that what most of the people watching it were thinking about when watching bleeding anus'? Can't something just be INFERED? Maybe difficult to do, but try?? Listen to me? 35 and a prude. This thread deserves to run though as we are dealing with a very important subject; I'm just not sure this movie is the best medium for discussing it.

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And because we try to make our world a better place I firmly believe that there should be limits; if only to help protect our children. What will be next? Children raping children whilst eating Granny's faeces, gunnning down blind people and raping them whilst shitting on the heads? Then torturing their parents and then raping them. Then making them eat their shit? What does it say about us? How have we come to this? Sure, there will always be sick sick people in this world. There always have been. But there hasn't always been access to this kind of depravity.

And to all you super-liberals, please don't say it isn't depraved. You wanna watch it? fine, knock one out/yourself out, but don't get all angry when the majority think you a little 'sick' to the rest. What if Hitler had made these films (using actors)? He might have called it 'art' too. Maybe I'm straying away from the main point here. Just don't get surprised when the governing body decide to pull the plug.

Well said Dev; I strayed a bit there. Anyone know if Pasolino was raped and shat on after being murdered? Were Nazis involved? Nazis......I hate Nazis......

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No, you're thinking of that Nazi guy from E17 now......I mean once is tragic, but repeatedly? thats Hi-larious

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Yeah, that's real fine expensive gear you brought out here, Mr. Hooper.'Course I don't know what that bastard shark's gonna do with it-might eat it I suppose. Seen one eat a rockin' chair one time. Hey chieffy, next time you just ask me which line to pull

Yeah, that's real fine expensive gear you brought out here, Mr. Hooper.'Course I don't know what that bastard shark's gonna do with it-might eat it I suppose. Seen one eat a rockin' chair one time. Hey chieffy, next time you just ask me which line to pull

Yeah, that's real fine expensive gear you brought out here, Mr. Hooper.'Course I don't know what that bastard shark's gonna do with it-might eat it I suppose. Seen one eat a rockin' chair one time. Hey chieffy, next time you just ask me which line to pull

I may have misread but I think there are several posts in the thread which also refer to the first film not having seen it? Although, that said Hughes, I think you can quite happily refer to it as a sick idea without having seen it given the central act of the film is enough to put a lot of people off watching it. Even that concept can be considered sick - you don't need to view that to think that IMO.

It's not one I want to see, personally, although one assumes it is relatively tame, sick idea aside, if the SyFy channel can show it. I've even seen it referred to as slightly humourous?

My point remains, how can people comment on the first film when they have not even seen it!

The end of the day sick or not, I had no excitement with this sequel considering I did not like the first. Not because it was sick (I have seen sicker) but because it was overhyped and not that good.

What they have done is put a ban on this film which will make horror fans want to watch. I am a full horror fan who now needs to see what the fuss is about, like I did with Serbian Film. And like most horror nasties, I will be disappointed by the end result!

I may have misread but I think there are several posts in the thread which also refer to the first film not having seen it? Although, that said Hughes, I think you can quite happily refer to it as a sick idea without having seen it given the central act of the film is enough to put a lot of people off watching it. Even that concept can be considered sick - you don't need to view that to think that IMO.

It's not one I want to see, personally, although one assumes it is relatively tame, sick idea aside, if the SyFy channel can show it. I've even seen it referred to as slightly humourous?

But elab in the original you do not actually see anything. Yes the concept is sick but I saw more gore and violence in the 15 rating Scre4m.