The Walking Dead season 4, episode 8 brought numerous surprise twists and a whole lot of emotion for the final new show of 2013.

The episode kicked off with the Governor talking to his people. He argues that Rick and company need to be killed. “People who destroyed the camp I was in with Martinez – they live in a prison. They’ve got walls, fences, plots of land – we could live there.”

He reveals that he captured Michonne and Hershel. The group seems hesitant about this attack but are quick to say that they’re in. The only person who isn’t interested in war is the Governor/Brian’s girlfriend, Lily.

Hershel and Michonne aren’t interested in a fight either. The former tries to convince Brian (“Don’t call me that,” he tells Hershel when addressed as Governor) that they can live together in the prison peacefully. Brian insists otherwise and doesn’t care about Hershel’s own daughters who he’d be putting in danger.

Rick and Daryl decide to tell Tyreese about Carol murdering his girlfriend Karen, but their discussion is interrupted by the arrival of Brian and his team. He asks Rick if they can have a talk and shows off his Hershel/Michonne bait. Brian’s take it or leave it deal? Give him the prison by sundown.

Back at Lily and Meghan’s campsite, a zombie emerges from the area the little girl is digging in. She appears to get bit. And to think: If Brian hadn’t gone to pick a needless fight, she would’ve been safe. Once again, he has lost a daughter.

The Governor reminds Rick that the sun is setting quick. At the fences, Carl is tempted to just kill the Governor. Rick continues talking. He suggests that they live together, but Brian resists. He asks the others in Brian’s group what they want, and they show signs of their allegiance wavering. Rick adds that things will be hard but they’ll make it work.

Under his breath Brian calls Rick a liar then slashes Hershel’s neck. Gun fire from both sides begins. Brian grabs Hershel and decapitates him. Michonne escapes. Lily brings Meghan’s body to Brian, and he shoots her in the head before she turns into a zombie. Interestingly, Brian seems so invested in his prison battle that he doesn’t care about Meghan’s death.

Brian issues the order to move in with the tanks. What happens over the next few minutes is a series of quick attacks. Chief among them: Little girls on Team Rick kill two of the enemies, and Rick and Brian have a physical brawl which ends in Michonne putting her Katana through Brian. Lily delivers the fatal blow to her love interest moments later.

Finally, Rick finds Carl but the father and son discover that Judith – their daughter/sister – is gone.

The prison is now destroyed and inhabited by zombies, so the second half of season 4 should see everyone moving to a new location. The twist will be welcomed by viewers who have grown tired of seeing the prison be the center point of the storyline. It looks like concerns about the illness that had been plaguing the prison will no longer be a factor either.

The Walking Dead season 4 returns in February 2014. What did you think of tonight’s midseason finale? And was it one of the best episodes of the series?

A promo for The Walking Dead midseason premiere shows that the prison inhabitants have definitely moved on from the prison:

The Walking Dead is so intense it broke the Hypable home screen. It shows the whole article haha.

Ultron

Hershel <//3 And I knew Judith would die! But I thought for sure beth would be carrying her out and then she would get shot just like Lori did in the comics. It was so sad though :( But so good. That little girl was a G!! And I like screamed with joy when Michonne stabbed the Governor. SO HAPPY. I bet Rick will try and bring Carol back now that they have lost so much of the group. Or something of that sort. After all, Carol taught those children to shoot! It's thanks to her that they are alive and were able to take care of themselves and save others. You go Carol.

donlark50

R.I.P. — He and Rick were/are my favorite characters on the show.

Liderc

Very intense episode, glad they went for it. Pretty much called the death of Hershel (as did about the whole internet), but I didn’t think the Governor would get killed so quickly.

But I’m kind of glad in a way? I feel like they need to find a new story for them to go on and this is a great way. Now the whole group is split up, we get rid of that freakin’ prison and now Rick and Carl think Judith is dead, although I’m sure she’s still alive.

Funnily enough, the first thing I thought of is how hilarious it would be to see baby Judith as a walker, just crawling over to Rick and Carl trying to bite their ankles lol. I don’t know why, it just instantly popped in my head.

Ultron

That would be hilarious! Idk, I think she’s dead. She died in the comics so I think she’s gone

KayNewEngland

Naahh, Carol was hiding in the bushes and snatched her when no one was looking…

CuriousOfTWD

What about Beth? is she dead?

Lauren Spellman

No, the commercial for the second half of the season showed her so for now she is okay

axl

do u even watch the show??? Beth ran off with Daryl after he kills the man in the tank, she comes to him running and says she couldn’t find the kids and he suggest to fly the place

Stop

Why are you such a troll? Get out of your mom’s basement and do something with your life.

humanbeing

You know what would be a very interesting (although expensive) media experiment? To film a trailer for the rest of the show’s season that featured a number of characters seemingly perfectly fine, as a red herring, and then killing off a number of those characters. The audience would never see it coming, since they would trust that the trailers were showing the truth. Although that might be taking the idea of surprising an audience a little too far, because it would create a lack of trust between the show creators and the audience.

Ultron

if only..haha

Liderc

rofl, nailed it.

humanbeing

Carol died in the comics, too; still alive in the show, although banished. Sophia is dead on the show, still alive in the comics. In the comics Lori and Judith were killed simultaneously (if I remember correctly, Lori got shot while running and trying to shield Judith from gunfire and fell on top of Judith and killed her); on the show, Lori dies in childbirth and Judith lives; if they had wanted to kill Judith they could have done it right then and there. In the comics, Andrea is still alive, in the show she’s dead. There is plenty of room for new interpretations in this series, otherwise there would be no surprises whatsoever, right? At this point the show and the comics are only on vaguely similar paths, and they diverged quite some time ago, so that they exist as their own separate entities now.

HotshotGG

This is not literally based in the comics. It’s only loosely based on.

Ultron

very good point.

Dayton DePetro

Yes, you do make a good point. The show is vaguely connected to the comics, the show only follows the same story line and shows how the group progresses and moves on, but either than that, the deaths are sort of at-limb, and really, anything could happen after watching the people die after just exactly who it was that killed them. I don’t think most people would expect Lizzie and Mika to show up out of the blue and save Tyreese, but really, after watching the show for a while, you may notice a series of weird patterns. For example, in season two Otis shoots Carl, Shane shoots Otis, and Carl shoots Shane. This pattern progresses with the Governor, or Brian, too. There is a very weird sequence of events in the show considering everyone was expecting the show to just pretty much glide off of the comics. Like you said, Carol is still alive in the show, but banished. I think that based on these weird clues and unexpected side-scenes, I think that Carol will make a come-back, possibly even targeting revenge on rick, and most likely she won’t be alive, maybe just attacking one of the members of the group, probably Tyreese, after he finds out Carol was the killer, resulting in another violent, waste-all-ammo death like when Carl sees the walker stumbling around after he finds Judith’s crib full of blood. Or, quite possibly, she is still alive, like a Female-Governor, alone and stalking the prison. A Tyreese and Carol showdown may start, like the Michonne and Governor rivalry starting mid-way through season three.

donlark50

I’ve heard the idea of Carol taking out revenge from other people. I don’t see that happening at all. She doesn’t have a bad heart. That would be a complete change of character for her , so unless she’s had a psychotic breakdown due to being tortured or raped, etc while she’s been away, that’s most likely not going to happen.

Dayton DePetro

What about her longing for Daryl?

axl

yeah sure…she just got passed all the zombies and got outta that prison crawling!

Shaye

Did anyone notice the female walker they zoomed in on walking towards the prison at the end? Looked a great deal like Lori to me. Even had the tattered plaid shirt dangling around her legs.

Liderc

I thought that as soon as I saw her, and why would they focus on her? Was very interesting. Glad someone else noticed.

ZucchiniBlossom

Just for the shock value.

annie

no one noticed, u were the greater observer of the night! u should feel proud of yourselve for being so intelligent

Natalie

It was Clara from the woods.

fqualeepcafal1987

at GATVERcom, you can watch all previous episode of walking dead

Megan

It was Clara from the first episode this season that tried to kill Rick. Took me awhile to realize it!

My friend told me that in the comics Judith died in that same scene…so…I don’t know what to believe.

axl

believe THIS u are a stupid asshole if you even embrace the idea of her being alive…u don’t even need evidence from the comic to know she was eaten by a zombie, her chair was full of blood

YouareagiantA-hole

I would tell you that you have problems and need to seek professional help for your anger issues but you’re already too broken to be fixed.

axl

jajaja u made my day asshole! I just get angry at stupid brainless ppl like u COMMON SENSE

YouareagiantA-hole

Common sense that you’re an idiot? Don’t worry it’s on display for all to see.

axl

see my dick going inside ur mouth bitch!! wanna have a baby with me so the loss of a tv baby isn’t such a hard punch to take for ya?…u apparently need to get ur hopes up to deal with shit and I have to remind u this is just a horror series, seriously if u can’t even accept the unshown death of a baby in a tv show what do u expect to happen to you when ur people start to die? ya know, your mommy and daddy… I’ll seek profesional help if I were u, u need to learn to deal with loss

YouareagiantA-hole

Oh, I think she’s dead. But thank you for proving my point that you’re broken beyond repair.

axl

thank u for suckin my dick bitch, you do it pretty decently, though I’ve had better…your mommy for instance
I love to be right all the time

axl

type faster bitch I’m getting tired of waiting for ur brain to form a response

Natalie

Wow, you are such an inconvenient asshole.

axl

acceptance is BLISSS

UmIDK….

omg what if that girl who just lost her child kidnapped judith that would be a kool episode to watch rick kick her ass XP

Beck

I’m not either. They always ALWAYS show a death.

Ultron

Well…not necessarily. Jim’s death in season 1 wasn’t shown, just assumed.

CliveRogan

It’s a TV fact that if there isn’t a body, there wasn’t a death. Unless you’re watching Sherlock when you can’t be certain even then.

Lauren

So Lori’s body wasn’t shown, does that mean she’s still alive? I think so.

CliveRogan

It’s not a body on screen, it’s a body in the story. A lot of shows and films will have discretion with actually showing the death and in some cases the body and only featuring people’s reactions to it, but in those situations it’s made clear the body is there. If it’s not, the person’s probably still alive.

Kristen

I’m 99% sure that Lizzie and the other little girl have her safe. After they saved Tyreese they quickly ran off, prompting him to say something about them needing to go in the other direction. Why include that little bit of dialogue if it wasn’t significant? And I can’t imagine them forgetting Judith when they carrying her earlier in the episode. I’d just love to see Tyreese surviving in the woods with a bunch of little girls and a baby!

axl

yeah I’m sure Tyresse is carying the crying baby in his arms while the Little girls shoot zombie after zombie…someone should remind them to take the baby chair full of blood next time!

Kristen

If she was dead FOR SURE they would have shown her on Talking Dead’s ‘in memoriam’ segment. Fact that they didn’t means you can’t rule out her being alive.

axl

yeah I’m sure Kirkman wants to keep the suspense going, and I’m pretty sure we need to evaluate whether she’s still alive based on a memorial video from a talk show…yep I’m thinkin I don’t really need to watch the show anymore if we have Talkin’ dead memorials to see who dies

Josh

calm down dude were just discussing it

axl

it’s called common sense based upon the evidences display on the ACTUAL show bitch!

7Starrchasers

Judith dies during childbirth in the comics..so yeah..she’s dead. :(

killer_tape

In the comics, Judith dies along with Lori during the prison shootout. It’s actually Lily who kills them.

thinktank

thanks for spoiling the comics I was reading. appreciate it.

Ultron

Uhh my full comment below isn’t showing for some reason..unless it is and I just can’t see it

shelly

So much unnecessary death…..People are not your enemies- walkers are!!!!!

donlark50

Maybe now that the Gov. is out of the picture, the group will actually be able to focus on this priority :) … Did anyone attacking the prison actually survive that mess? Lily made it didn’t she — what about her sister?

Angélina Eang

She escaped. Or kind of because she looked quite dizzy when she walked away.

donlark50

Ok; thnx :) .. I like her character a lot. She kinda reminds me of Maggie – Good heart/spirit. Hope she ends up on team Rick.

Angélina Eang

Yeah, I love her too and so I wished she stood her a little bit more to the Governor even though I can’t really blame her because she was surrounded by all these people supporting him.

I hope she ends up with him too. Seeing how everyone departed on different ways, I’m pretty sure she is going to encounter at least one of Prison’s teams. She is good natured and from her look, you could tell she was willing to accept Rick so yeap :D It will be cool to have her ^^

alexacadia

haven’t seen anyone say this yet but my wild goose theory was that she stumbled into judith and took her, so that would be a way for her to find rick :)

Angélina Eang

I don’t think she is the one who took Judith because when she left dizzily, she was next to the tank and next to the fences when she was heading to the garden. Judith car seat was next to the entry of block. But maybe, what do I know ?

And yeah, I firmly believe that Judith is alive because I really don’t think that the kids who carried her let her in her baby seat car when zombies were coming. I mean, they are kids, ok, not senseless morons. And I know she died in the comics but in the comics, her mother died with her and Carol was dead long before too so comic shouldn’t be a reference.

alexacadia

oh yeah, i agree totally… i was just saying that’s my crazy, wishful theory to keep her on the show, sorry :P

Angélina Eang

Oh no, no need to apologize lol. I’m sorry if I came harsh ! It’s cool to talk with people on the show. My friends don’t like all horror/gore stuffs like zombies so I’m pretty much all alone when I am spazzing on an episode which sucks so I’m glad that I find this site, it’s cool :)

alexacadia

nah it’s okay i just know some people get super intense when they hear theories that they don’t agree with so i was making sure i didn’t offend you. same here, though, i love that i don’t have to annoy people with my zombie excitement anymore and i can share it with fellow fans!

Angélina Eang

There aren’t a lot of The Walking Dead’s fangirls out there though. The same can be said about video games, it sucks :)

Daren Ferreira

That’s hardly true. There are tons of TWD fangirls out there. My sister is a huge one (well, she’s actually tiny, but still a huge fan).

If you watch the episode again pay close attention to when Lizzy shoots the woman and runs off. Tyrese yells to let her know she’s going the wrong way. She ran in the direction of Judith’s car seat. Which would indicate she ran and took Judith out of the seat, because it’s too hard to carry.
We sill find out in a few months I suppose.

Angélina Eang

There are a lot ? Out of my girl friends, one must tolerate zombie stuffs and I didn’t see a lot of fangirls in sites so I figured that obviously, there would be more fanboys but it’s cool to know there are still fangirls XD.

Yeah, I read tons of comments and even watched a picture where we see Tyresse holding something in his arm and it looks like we see the head of Judith but yeah, we will find out in Feb. I cried so hard when Rick and Carl saw the car seat. The fact she may be alive give me hope somehow.

Angélina Eang

I agree with you and somehow, this is what makes TWD so good to me. Because war never changes … (LOL, can’t help the Fallout reference)
Humans will always fight with each other. I don’t know, we always say that animals are stupid but really, humanity is the stupidest thing in the world. We will never learn.
I’m confident that if zombie apocalypse was to happen in real life, this is what it will look like because we will fight for our survival.

donlark50

It’ll probably look more like the TV series “Jericho” (TWD is only thing that has come close to that series for me — def worth checking out :)

… When people talk about “zombie apocalypse” in real life happening, it’s because people seemed to be “dumbed down” and act kinda like “zombies” these days. See the “black friday” pushing and shoving videos.

Angélina Eang

Oh gosh’, you watched Jericho ??
I loved that show. I’m still bummed that there are only two seasons and I have yet to buy the comics for season 3.
Ever since I have been a huge fan of Fallout, I keep craving for apocalypse stuffs so Jericho and The Walking Dead are a feast to me :D

LOL, when I talked of real life zombie apocalypse, I didn’t mean in a funny way but really, people change when it comes to survival. You talked about Jericho and this example poped in my head : the mayor of Jericho and the mayor of the town next to them (can’t remember B. something ?) were close friends before but with the bombs the mayor of B. that had to protect his citizens changed and wanted to destroy Jericho to steal all their cultures and assets. I loved how they showed that no matter how good you can be, when it comes to survival, you are just a beast and you can lose your humanity.

humanbeing

Eh, it happens quite a bit in post-apocalyptic stories…when people should be co-operating with each other, they instead turn on each other and fight for the leftover scraps of the world. It happens in the Mad Max movies, in The Stand, etc. Usually a point is made in stories like that that mankind is worse than the supposed “monsters”, because while the monsters may be killing people because of some primal instinct, humans are killing each other not only for resources or territory, but also because of petty jealousies, desires for revenge, lust for power, and so on, things the “monsters” aren’t even aware of.

Brian

Such an intense episode. I don’t know if I can call it the best yet, as there have been many great episodes in the series, but it was definitely near the top. As emotional as it was, and as much as I hated it, I think just about everyone saw Herschel’s death coming in this episode (or sometime in the near future), but I was quite surprised by the death of The Governor. I truly enjoyed his character, and the job that Morrisey did portraying him, but it was far past time for his storyline to end.

All in all, phenomenal episode, fantastic job of setting up the second half of the season, and just a great all around job by the crew and cast. Can’t wait til February!

Chris Wyman

The Governor should have been gutted the first time. We had to watch basically what little was known of him before he became the Governor and then re-become the Governor. It was kind of a mindless rehash of what we’ve already seen. I’m not saying that I hated it, but couldn’t they have found someone else to push them out of the Prison? Ohh well, it was fine, I guess. I really love the show.

donlark50

Yes…Love it even more now. I just hate the fact that we have to wait so long to see the next episode :(

Does anyone know how many seasons the show has been renewed for? Hope it doesn’t end anytime soon.

leslie

I heard Season 5 has been approved, haven’t heard past that.

Chris Wyman

it will be around a long time. there are a lot of characters left to see and a lot of questions

donlark50

I usually see where things are going but I definitely didn’t expect this. Not sure what to expect next Feb. — I imagine they’ll all regroup ..perhaps a survivor from the Governor’s group will seek revenge now ? I didn’t see Lily get killed and can’t imagine her being a threat. That was such a mess though, I didn’t notice whom (if any) from that group survived.

Since Carol was likely covering for the psychotic kid and not responsible for the murders, perhaps the group will reunite with her and she’ll forgive Rick for abandoning her? Who knows. It’s going to be interesting.

axl

psss how stupid r u ppl? really, the Little girl just crawled outta her baby chair and survived in a middle of a zombie infested prison, really??? Daryl almost got supprised by a zombie while shootin’ at a tank, and he’s the ultimate fighter, get the fuck over it!!, that baby was eaten!!! she’s DEAD, besides I don’t think Kirkman is that stupid as to let his characters go into the Woods with a crying baby among them, it’d be much too boring and a predictable way of attracting zombies to them

Jose

Obviously the people above were joking about Judith crawling out of the prison. I’ve seen your comments and I can only assume you’re an ignorant person. I believe Judith died, but maybe not. People are entitled to an opinion, it doesn’t make them “stupid”. You’re obviously a very insecure person who has no self esteem and tries to fill that hole in your life by being rude to others. If you think everyone is so “stupid” then why stay and comment. You should consider being more mindful of what you say to other people, and not be so incredibly rude. Let go of that anger, nothing positive will result from it

axl

and u should go back to mexico JOSE! or u could just stay and lawn my yard, God knows I need a latin boy to pick uo all mu dog’s shit. BTW I don’t think your name is JOSE or Youragiant A-hole or Kirsten or whatever ur name is, your all the same person, u might have multiple personalities…it was weird that every time someone dissapeard someone else show uo to defend them, lol I think I don’t need to post comment with different names to feel secure or safe or protected…yeah that seems even more STUPID, and really that was my last comment for the night, I’ll come back with a different name if u keep doing it too jajajajaj

Jose

My name is Jose, I have no reason to hide who I am. I don’t think I’m too smart, I’m just calling it like I see it. I’m not the same person that you were talking to before, we have completely different ways of approaching a person like you. And btw I’m not from Mexico, but you probably don’t care because all you try to do is hurt people. But to be honest I’ve known too many people like you for anything that you say to have any effect on me. I used to be kinda like you and think that the way to win an argument was to just try to insult the other person as much as possible, but then i realized how pathetic that was. If you want to come back with a different name that’s alright, I’m not trying to attack you. I’m just giving you some much needed advice. Be nicer

HAHA You are jose

lol so you’re jose

axl

JAJAJAJ SURE HE IS, HOW DARE U DOUBT HIS REAL IDENTITY ON A GUESTROOM SITE

axl

sure JOSE/NATALIE/ITHINKYOURAGIANT A-HOLE and kirsten…ect etc etc give yourself three or four likes for that last comment and go to bed….the only holes that needs to be fill is your ASSHOLE bitch don’t play the shrink with me u whore, I’ AM a shrink, just to let u know the real world has gone to hell too…and one more thing ur therapy didn’t work for u continue to be here insulting me as well…I think ur pathetic and STUPID and a fuckin mexican or have mexican parents which disgust me with a passion, who on their right minds would name their american boy JOSE? ignorant immigrants
and if you are so coverd about ur real identity why don’t u come to Facebook and have a real chat with me U COWARD

just to show ppl I was the one askin for ur adress and you made me ‘bring it’ first when u were supposed to bring it YOURSELF, how much of a real coward u really ARE

Jose

Hahahahahaha i have to give it you, you crack me up. I wasn’t insulting you, i was attempting to have a conversation with you. Listen my parents aren’t from mexico and I’m not American. I’m an immigrant too, but obviously I’m not ignorant. You should really think before you type something though because you say “come find me on Facebook” but I have absolutely no idea what your name is. You call me a coward and yet you’re the one hiding behind all those insults. I can only assume your some teenager who just hit puberty and is letting out all his anger on people. That would definitely explain your spelling, because I’ve seen children with better grammar. I’m one person, not the one you were talking to before. The only reason i defend them is because of how much what you said to them bothered me. I will agree with you on one thing, I’m going to be because I don’t necessarily enjoy talking to children. Goodnight, have a nice life

axl

I won’t even read all that comment ‘JOSE’ just try to buy urself some glasses ASAP u really can’t read shit properly, I SAID ‘GIVE ME UR FACEBOOK ADDRESS’, THROUGH A PM WULD BE GOOD TOO, I POSTED MY HOTMAIL ACCOUNT AND I WAS SUPPOSED TO ADD U ON FACEBOOK, I NEVER SAID GO TO FACEBOOK AND SEARCH MY NAME U BLIND IGNORANT STUPID IMMIGRANT ASSHOLE

donlark50

It’s probably a good idea to learn how to actually WRITE in English before you go around admonishing people for their reading skills. My 6 year old can communicate more clearly than you!

axl

yeah JOSE she can also suck my dick better tan her mother…I’ll give you that u IMMIGRANT

donlark50

You seem unhappy. Usually miserable people lash out at others like you’re doing. You should get some help for that.

Axl’s gay

Nah he’s just doing this to get attention, it’s what we call “attention whores” I believe.

axl

really just like u posting with different names and replying to your own posts? not to mention giving them LIKES, LOL ur so pathetic I’m really lost interest in this stupid fight, I suggest u to send me that link if u want me to keep u entertained

axl

u should follow ur own advise and see a shrink for that multiple personalities problema u have honey

axl

what happen? u never sent me that link to ur Facebook account, I was hoping to continue a fight like real men but it’s too much to ask from a ‘man’ with multiple personalities that it’s too much of a coward to bring it on once and for all

axl

yeah JOSE go to sleep, it’s past ur bedtime, this is how ppl write nowadays u ignorant oldsuck…and btw I would have assumed u had issues urself cause u were clearly too pissed off at something ur read on a guestbook that wasn’t even directed at u in the first place…I will just give you this advice for next time MIND UR OWN FUCKIN BUISNESS FROM NOW ON AND LET OTHER ASSHOLES FEND FOR THEMSELVES, THEY DON’T NEED AN INMIGRANT TO DEFEND THEM

Bradley

Jose please stop replying to this guy, if you play online games alot theres a thing called “Don’t feed the troll” where if some guy is raging his ass off in public just to get attention he’ll keep doing it until no one gives a single fuck anymore.

donlark50

Lol. Good point. It’s fun to kick trolls around on occasion though. ;)

JOSE

yeas Jose please stop giving him more attention by using multiple names and go over the same shit over and over and over it’s getting boring

jose

yeah JOSE the only ass getting kicked is yours, the guy clearly wants you to write him and e-mail to continue being the center of attention DON’T DO IT even if he made you look like you are a big coward, don’t feed his whore attitude

JOSE

yeah JOSE if you are a big NERD LIKE ME you play lots of games to be able to relate your lifeless existance to real life people and what’s on their minds…they’re great to learn about the human mind

donlark50

You remind me of “the governor” on the WD .. A lot of HATRED inside and psychotic tendencies. Seriously dude, get some help before you hurt someone.

axl

btw again, u keep pressing the like button to ur own comments as well, that is so pathetic, and u need to go buy urself some glasses, I was the one who was jokin about Judith crawling outta her chair…just saying u think ur too Smart but can’t even read propertly

donlark50

I always find it humorous when someone with less than 2nd grade spelling and grammar questions the intelligence of other people.

axl

I gave u a like too, jajajaj so to make ur job eassier here

axl

i’m really sorry, you are right, could you all forgive me?

Josh

thx God,buddah,Allah, and whoever else for people like you. excellent wording, couldnt have said it better myself

donlark50

The Baby didn’t die. You’ll see next Feb. They took her on the Bus. You’ll also see that Carol didn’t murder those two people. She was just covering for the little girl with psychotic tendencies. (the kid was the one mutilating the rats, etc) ..

Mark my words. You’ll feel like the stupid one when the second half of season 4 starts.

ShawnLa

Why would there be baby parts. If one walker could eat ALL of Lori, then Im sure a baby would be a quick snack for a walker or two.

Angélina Eang

But when the walker ate Lori, there were some kind of flesh laying on the floor right ? Because this is where Rick finds the marriage ring. It has been a long time since I watched the episode but I’m pretty sure I’m right.

Perso, after all my experiences in movies/series, when a death isn’t shown, it isn’t meant to be death. I mean, I remember in the first season when they walked throught a bunch of cars and in one of them, there was a baby seat with blood and some flesh. Obviously, they couldn’t have shown the corpse of the baby eaten because of the TV but the flesh was a big hint that the baby was dead.

I cried so much during that scene because I didn’t think right and thought that she really died but I don’t think she is dead. I read the comics and so I know she died with her mother when they tried to escape the prison but the TV serie is so damn different. Lot of characters that died in the comics are still alive like Carol so we shouldn’t think that the comic is a reference.

Justin

It said tyreese was interrupted when the governor shot the tank but remember there was like a disected rat, saying a psychopath is living with them, whats that about?

donlark50

I now believe Carol was covering for that little girl. The girl probably killed those people.

Braeden Montague

She is off and on as a psycho… She may have killed Karen and David but could she really drag them away? Plus she got that walker away from Glenn that was brave, but then she drags her foot around in his blood, and then she saves Tyresse’s life. It’s off and on with her. I honestly just think she’s confused…

john

yes, the kid who kills those two and carol finds out, so carol drag the body and burn them to get rid of the evidence

humanbeing

To be honest, I’ve seen moments from Rick, Carl, Shane, Daryl, and a number of other characters that border on insanity. I sometimes think every character on the show is a little insane now, due to the events they’ve lived through. Rick talked to dead people on a phone (and saw images of his dead wife watching him), Daryl had a hallucinated conversation with his brother, Shane basically had a nervous breakdown when he shaved his head after leaving Otis to die, and Carl has shot fleeing teenagers in the back. Insanity is kind of a relative term in the world of TWD. I do believe that Carol would be much more likely to cover up the impulsive actions of the two little girls than to do the deed herself; it makes sense that she would want to spare them from Tyreese’s rage, so she took their “sins” upon herself.

axl

Time for maggie to have sex with some other dude other than glenn

donlark50

Why?

donlark50

I wonder how many people screamed “Nooooo!” out loud when Hershel got killed. I definitely did NOT want to see that happen. He was the moral grounding force for the group and probably the wisest person there. I knew Brian was going to kill one of the two but I figured he was fixing to swing his sword at Mich-one. She’s a cool cat too but Hershel has done more for the group than anyone.

7Starrchasers

Haha I was actually one of those people….literally screamed…He didn’t deserve to die like that..beheaded, really?!?! I for one hope Brian’s dead, because lets face it, how long can he and Rick face off like this????

donlark50

No doubt! That was all kinds of messed up.

The only way Brian will survive is as a Zombie and maybe not even that. The Sword through his back isn’t survivable ..but didn’t they come back and put a slug in his head for good measure? So much went on in this episode that I’m tempted to watch again in case I missed anything.

Kendra Baird

I think it’s safe to say that Brian is dead for good now. There’s no way he could have survived that sword wound. Also, they also had a scene where his girlfriend (I think her name is Lily) came by and shot him in the head after he shot her daughter to keep her from turning.

Xander

I didn’t scream out no so much as “KILL THAT FUCKER DEAD!” at the governor.

Dayton DePetro

It is very obvious that Michonne was not going to die. After all, you’d think that’s what he’d do, and actually Hershel wasn’t expected to die, either. But Michonne had turned into a, as the producers called it, a “Female Daryl”. At the beginning of the season, it was crystal clear that Michonne had unfinished business in the show, and too much of that business was not finished yet. Over all, Michonne had too much ground to clear, as with Hershel, even if he was probably the wisest, had no sign of doing anything outstanding in this season, or really, the entire show.

donlark50

Well, he did kind of save the lives of half the group this season via his mad medical skills. But other than that, nothing really outstanding ;P

Michonne is a helluva warrior though. I agree that she’s made invaluable contributions as well, just not on par with ole Hershel.

Anthony Caputa

I see your point. Everyone seems focused on whose brought the most value to the group so far, while the writers were probably focused on who is going to bring the most emotional impact to the audience if they die, and who has the most value left to give if they continue living.

Ivana Cvetanovic

Indeed, saving a bunch of people’s lives during an outbreak is ‘nothing outstanding’… It’s as cool as swinging a sword around or a bow, right?

Dayton DePetro

Well, really, Hershel didn’t save anybody’s life. Excluding Sasha and Glenn, all of his patients died, and the people he managed to hold on to life longer didn’t get better, just suffered for more days only to find themselves choking on their own blood later

Ivana Cvetanovic

Wait, so he saved Glenn and Sasha. or he didn’t save anyone? Which is it?

Anyway, none of them really did anything important, by that logic. Darryl, Rick, Michonne etc. kill a bunch of walkers, but there are always more coming. And most of the living characters end up dead, sooner or later. How many people are still alive vs how many have died?

Dayton DePetro

It’s been a while. Anyways, I just looked up my name on Google and found the picture of ole’ Hershel and it took me back to this page. Okay. Back on topic.

He saved Glenn and Sasha, and I guess he did save Lizzie, too. When I said “anything important” I just must have worded it wrong. What I meant was anything important to the story line of the show. When I bought the season pass for season 4 of TWD on Amazon, I read the description and it had said that season four is trying its hardest to push people to the breaking point and go into the past life of the characters. I remember reading a reply to one of my posts saying “I agree. Michonne still needs to reveal why she was so rattled holding baby Judith” which is indeed true. The writers needed Michonne and the fans needed Daryl.

Tony

I think the words “Son of Bitch” came out of my mouth, and there were definite feelings of “this fucker needs to die like yesterday.”

dzhariy

When Brian had failed to cut off the Hershel’s head first time I had a hope Hershel can be cured… Before I’ve watched the episode, I’ve guessed Rick and Brian will kill each other in a fight. Hershel’s death was a surprise for me.

donlark50

I guess it’s a good time to go play the “Walking Dead” game for the first time now. Going to be going through some WD withdrawls for the next few weeks/months.

alexacadia

yes, do it!!! that game is amazing, it’s really more of an interactive movie than a game so it’ll fill the hole of the show :)

Daren Ferreira

Is it a FPS or 3PS?

alexacadia

i’m sort of video game-challenged so forgive me if i’m wrong, but it isn’t a shooter game or anything. like you are the character, lee… it’s a point and click adventure that’s mostly dialogue-centric. you make your own decisions and go through the story, the only action is just clicking a few simple keys at certain points.

Guest

At least the group has an effin TANK now ;) (then again, maybe it’s foobar after that grenade?) … I’d certainly rather roll around in that thing than in a flimsy car. Perhaps they could equip it with a flame thrower and go barbeque some walkers :)

ShawnLa

It caught fire after the grenade, pretty much destroying any electronics that it contains so its foobar now.

Jim

I have a feeling Carol will be back sooner or later.

donlark50

Hope so.

Devours_Flesh

HMmm seems you people forgot Rick dies in the comic books a few issues in.

donlark50

Why would that matter? This is not the comic book series. It’s a heck of a lot different.

humanbeing

I think you might be confused. Rick is still alive and kicking in the comics. Do you mean Shane, perhaps? He died in both the comic and the show, but bit the dust quite a bit earlier in the comics, and was less of a developed character than he ended up being in the show.

Sandy

I didn’t realise I like Hershel as much as I obviously did. The tears started flowing when he got the knife to the neck and didn’t stop til the end of the episode. Though I did take a short break from crying while I called out to Daryl to rurn around. If he’d died this episode, I may have cried all night. Good episode.

donlark50

As a 30-something yo guy, I don’t cry that easily but I feel ya:) Almost felt like it when that happened. Certainly screamed out loud, which I rarely do with stuff I’m watching :P I don’t think they’ll do anything to Daryl – He’s the series “heart throb” – I’d say him, Rick and Carl are in it for the long run. Who knows though, this series has a way of throwing you for a loop !

yevon

I am sorry about my English grammar, but the more and more, the series become more terrible. The director creating a stupid flood which can kill everyone in only several days, forced Carol kill someone and have to leaving, let he Governor kill Caesar and Pete too easily to make him become leader of that new group. They do everything, kill everyone, only to trying make the TV series more look like the comic. But thank god, at least they don’t shoot down Rick’s baby as the comic do.

Ultron

I don’t think Carol actually killed those people at all. All the signs are seeming to point toward the little girls doing it and Carol covering up for them.

Cyril Sneer

I’m enjoying this season but I do find some of the actions scenes not particularly credible. I find it highly unlikely the Governer would’ve had chance to slash Hershel’s neck before someone would’ve popped a cap between his eyes. Almost every gun in the prison would’ve been zeroed in on him and the second he raised that sword, he would’ve been shot down. Not to mention later he stands in front of the tank when the gun fight is going on – in reality, he would’ve been shot full of holes.

There have been other instances that lack credibility, like Tyreese escape from the car when it got stuck and surrounded by the biggest herd of zombies I have seen. Tyreese was literally surrounded and yet he was able to stand there hacking away without so much as a scratch.

TWD is my fave show, but at times it feels rather slap dash and the writing at times leaves a lot to be desired.

Glad Michonne survived, she is a personal fave of mine, I just wish she would smile some more and crack a few more jokes – she has a lovely smile!

donlark50

I don’t find the situation with Brian killing Hershel to be unrealistic. The people back behind the prison gate weren’t exactly military trained. They are also not used to long distance shots, usually having close quarters combat. Daryl even mentioned to Carl that it was a LONG shot and was going to be hard to hit when Carl wanted to take the shot right away. They were told to stand down and let Rick speak: The clip was put in slow motion for dramatic effect but the actual swing of the sword would have been very quick. Notice that Rick was the only guy able to place a bullet within Brian after the shooting started (at close range with his handgun) …..

As for the situation with Tyreese when he was surrounded ; That seemed slightly more unbelievable — but then again, the man is a literal MONSTER himself – Huge as a boulder and would have had huge amounts of adrenalin pumping through him. You’d be amazed what the human body can accomplish in such a fight-or-flight situation :)

Angrygraduate

50 yards, long shot my ass

Liderc

I understand your concerns, but you have to remember they were VERY far away from the governor. None of them had a rifle, those are assault weapons. They aren’t actually very good at long range shots, especially in the hands of poorly trained people (and a kid). Carl did have an old rifle, but it probably doesn’t even have a rifled barrel, making it even more inaccurate. (I could be wrong, it looks old though)

Why does this all matter? Because if they shoot, they could have hit Rick. Daryl knows this, and knows that Carl accidently shooting his own dad isn’t worth the risk.

Also, they’re probably thinking about the fact that despite Hershel being killed, they still have a tank at the gate. If they kill the Governor, the people are going to move the tank in anyways.

It was obviously set up for a bit of drama, and I do agree about Tyrese’s previous situation, but it’s all done to create tension. Sometimes real life isn’t as fun as TV drama. Carl shoots Governor, people surrender. Doesn’t make for much of a finale.

margieo

Thanks for the rifle/assault weapon information.

Daren Ferreira

Just so you know the max effective range of an M-16/AR-15 is about 800 Meters. That’s 1/2 mile. I’m pretty sure the Gubna was only about 200 yards away.. maybe less. I would have been able to shoot his finger off without a scope and I’m no marksman.

Bonzo

Wow happy now all you people who were moaning, Walking Dead still rules

Dayton DePetro

@donlark50:disqus, It is very obvious that Michonne was not going to die. After all, you’d think that’s what he’d do, and actually Hershel wasn’t expected to die, either. But Michonne had turned into a, as the producers called it, a “Female Daryl”. At the beginning of the season, it was crystal clear that Michonne had unfinished business in the show, and too much of that business was not finished yet. Over all, Michonne had too much ground to clear, as with Hershel, even if he was probably the wisest, had no sign of doing anything outstanding in this season, or really, the entire show,

margieo

I agree. Michonne still needs to reveal why she was so rattled holding baby Judith (episode 3?).

Dayton DePetro

That’s one of the most parts of why I posted that comment, that and the fact that there was no way season four could go on without the governor, and Michonne needed to kill him, too, but when rick was getting strangled I most expected it to be Carl that shot the governor therefore saving his dad. That makes more sense to me.

Dayton DePetro

I could quite possible see Carol being the one who took in Judith

Anthony Caputa

Did anyone else feel like this was the episode we should have received at the end of season 3? It just feels like the climax we should have seen at the end.

Ultron

I don’t think so. I think Hershel got some much needed character development in these last 8 episodes. I didn’t really like him all too much before that but after these pasts few events I really started to love him. Especially with his confrontation with maggie about exposing himself to the diseased people.

Shanana

Save for Herschel dying in this one, I agree this was the “war” I had expected. I hated how Season 3 ended, felt like a let down from all their talk of “war.” They chickened out. But now that I had seen this, well, I think they were able to make it up for that bummer S3 ending. This makes it more emotional when Herschel’s character died.

Jrod

Meaning that Hershel died I feel that this show just got more intense and Rick is going to go crazy and just kill everyone.

manny

Not Hershel!! Thats what I screamed when he got hacked!! Im still pissed that it came to that!! What now?

Agacant

I was only able to watch it this morning…but thanks to this spoiler at the top of the page I already knew Hershel was a goner. Thanks a lot.

In all seriousness though, as long as we still have Maggie, Glenn, and Daryl I’ll keep watching.

Davo

as long as it turns into another “lost” I’m sure the storyline will always be entertaining and not to a point of ridiculous lol

Alexis

Holy crap that was an amazing episode. The two girls saving Tyreese was such a bad ass moment, maybe my favorite of the episode. February can’t come soon enough.

numan khan

I am very sad for Hershel but I still have hope that rick and the group will still stay alive.”FUCk The GOVERNOR”!

Sulai Wong

It sucks that all major characters are dying. Hershel’s death ruined the show. After going through so much and loosing a leg and being the one always giving the extra mile it was not fair. This is messed up. They should put as if this was a nightmare. HEY AMC YOU NEED TO FIX THIS NOWWWW

Jackson Black

How about the baby?? Typically used to represent new hope in the face of desperation, and AMC feed it to zombies. Is there anyone they won’t kill?

Personally, I think its great!

Shane

Anyone else surprised by Lori being seen as a zombie walking from OUTSIDE the prison at the end of the episode? She was the zombie they did a dramatic zoom in of at the end. She even had that stupid plaid shirt she always tied around her waist.

kelli

i was just upset when hershal died as i was when dale died, both great wise men who kept the group together! sooo excited to see what this season holds!

Sushil Kevin Salins

Did anyone notice lori as a walker at the end ?? was interesting …

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