Holy ****. They are clueless. WTF they don't think anyones going remember their first position?

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I watched as CSPAN played the audio of the floor vote on amending the platform. It needed 2/3 but from the sounds of it, it didn't have it, might even have lost. So instead of asking for a roll call vote, they just gavelled it in and claimed it was 2/3 in favor. It would have been embarrassing to have it fail.
I'm sure there is a link out there.....somewhere.

I watched as CSPAN played the audio of the floor vote on amending the platform. It needed 2/3 but from the sounds of it, it didn't have it, might even have lost. So instead of asking for a roll call vote, they just gavelled it in and claimed it was 2/3 in favor. It would have been embarrassing to have it fail.
I'm sure there is a link out there.....somewhere.

I watched as CSPAN played the audio of the floor vote on amending the platform. It needed 2/3 but from the sounds of it, it didn't have it, might even have lost. So instead of asking for a roll call vote, they just gavelled it in and claimed it was 2/3 in favor. It would have been embarrassing to have it fail.
I'm sure there is a link out there.....somewhere.

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I watched it too. Thee amazing part of it was the amount no's to yes's it was the same and they had to do it three times and then tried to say it was 2/3rds yea's. Which was crap and firmley back up the notion in my first post of how far extreme and unrecognizable the democratic party has become.

You can talk about all the common flip flop crap played by both parties.

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They had to do it three times and still cheated. Reminded me of the 1972 Olympic basketball game. If the Democrats wanted the platform the original way, they should be allowed to have it that way. Isn't that Democracy???

democratic candidates can say whatever they want and change their minds as many times they want because the blind will come, leading the naked to make sense of the utter stupidity and somehow convince all the others waiting for the government to hand them some benefit that it is sheer genius and bravery to take a stand and then reverse your stand.....

A "creator" isn't the same as "god," and Jefferson absolutely did not want "god" in government. If you knew anywhere near as much about the founders and our founding documents, you'd understand that.

Do you want to have a discussion about the reasons to use that wording and what the founders believed, both personally when it came to religion and, much more importantly, their views of how they wanted god and religion to fit with the government they were framing?

A "creator" isn't the same as "god," and Jefferson absolutely did not want "god" in government. If you knew anywhere near as much about the founders and our founding documents, you'd understand that.

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From that same document

>>>>When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.<<<<<<<http://history.hanover.edu/hhr/hhr93_1.html

>>>>When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.<<<<<<<Who is Nature's God?

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What do you think "Nature's God" means? Why do you think they said "Nature's God" rather than simply "God"?

And bringing it back to my original comment and the topic here (re "God" in thr Dem platform), what role do you think Jefferson, Madison et. al. wanted "God" to play in our government and our politics?