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A decent chapter if I ignore the fact that I now suddenly have no more interest in Karin's character thanks to her completely irrational reaction to meeting up with Sasuke again. I know Kishi doesn't do to well with romance. So I can sort of understand why he'd chose to take the quick comedic way out as oppose to devoting the time and effort into making Karin come around in a more believable manner. But unfortunately, it just killed what little likability I had develop for her.

Oh well. Still, I'm happy to see this plot's moving along. I almost got scared for a second that each of the former Hokage were going to end up in flashback mode for several chapters.

Decided to make an account just because of this chapter. My fav chapter in a long time (despite all the detractors)

Just wanted to posit the strong possibility that Sasuke's good-guy mode will be short lived.

There is no way that the story will end without a real sasuke/naruto clash. There has simply been too much build up and foreshadowing. It would be terribly poor story writing.

I have a feeling this latest twist is simply a "twist within a twist"

I bet there is more to the Tobirama story line; namely

1) Something that will explain Madara's illogical behaviour when he suddenly turned evil for the hell of it even after coming to a seeming agreement with the 1st. And the fishy circumstances of his 'death'. Perhaps even give a deeper reason for his malice.

2) Something that will serve to turn Sasuke against the leaf once again, and join forces with Madara.

After the kages arrive on the battlefield, I bet the manga will turn back into multiple week flashback mode. This time with Madara as the narrator. And he will probably recount a version of events that went on behind Harashima's back (involving Tobirama).

Maybe some more final lore involving the six paths will come into play to cause changes in sides one final time before the main battle starts.

I also have wild guess (one can hope?) that before said battle, Obito will have a change of heart as well from the final chit chat, and team up with Kakashi again.

Loved the Karin scene. Looking forward to seeing who is the real god of shinobi.

Anyway, I think it will be funny if this infinite tsukuyomi somehow allows Madara to control his victims, and if Sasuke is the only one that can break out of it with his EMS. Then Naruto ends up fighting Sasuke with Naruto under Madara's influence.

first off, it was pretty badass seeing the first 4 hokages sitting atop their stone heads... and yea, i totally agree this is not the happy-go-lucky ending of sasuke's plight. it would be very surprising to not have a naruto vs sasuke part 2. there's also almost no chance orochimaru is 'good' now. he has ulterior motives for sure. but for now, i just can't wait for the hokage to hit the battlefield. it's going to be pretty epic =)

Itachi was intent on letting Naruto reform Sasuke but it his final words really did impact him more than we initially thought. Sasuke's older brother is the spiritual successor to Hashirama. The manga might as well be called Itachi. He's the true protagonist.

The 4th got far less screentime than I initially thought, and Sasuke had no questions at all for him, but I guess he has a big scene coming in this battle. It seems that Kishi has used him as sparingly as possible throughout this series.

There's a slight difference though, Obito told him the truth mixed in with lies to make Madara and the Uchiha seem like the victims. Hashirama told him the real truth.

Name one lie that made the Uchiha seems more like the victims. If anything it's the opposite.

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2) Something that will serve to turn Sasuke against the leaf once again, and join forces with Madara.

I find that very unlikely, if Sasuke were to turn against Konoha once again I think it'd be his plan all along : he did take Hashirama's words to heart, a shinobi is someone who endure to achieve his goal. In this case he'd endure helping his enemy long enough to stop Madara in order to reach his goal.

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If whole village will forgive Sasuke just as easily without any kind of punishment, I'll down rate this manga for sure

They've even less of a reason to resent him, if you look at Sasuke's actions from a non-reader perspective he could even be considered one of the greatest hero of this generation behind Naruto.
Prepare yourself seeing scores of ex-prisoners from Oro's experiments recognizing their savior, the noble man who single handedly killed the terrible criminal Deidara, Orochimaru and Itachi and executed the traitor Danzo. The champion who took down the necromancer Kabuto and his horde of zombies, the hero who freed the souls of the 4 previous Hokage and brought them back to save the world in this hour of need. Hell, I heard he's best friend with Naruto the Great Light-Bulb, all this nonsense about defection was probably some elaborated S-class secret mission.
Oh and expect a few females swooning over his looks too because that happens a lot.

Name one lie that made the Uchiha seems more like the victims. If anything it's the opposite.

I find that very unlikely, if Sasuke were to turn against Konoha once again I think it'd be his plan all along : he did take Hashirama's words to heart, a shinobi is someone who endure to achieve his goal. In this case he'd endure helping his enemy long enough to stop Madara in order to reach his goal.

They've even less of a reason to resent him, if you look at Sasuke's actions from a non-reader perspective he could even be considered one of the greatest hero of this generation behind Naruto.
Prepare yourself seeing scores of ex-prisoners from Oro's experiments recognizing their savior, the man who single handedly killed the terrible criminal Deidara, Orochimaru and Itachi and executed the traitor Danzo. The champion who took down the necromancer Kabuto and his horde of zombies, the hero who freed the souls of the 4 previous Hokage and brought them back to save the world in this hour of need. Hell, I heard he's best friend with Naruto the Great Light-Bulb, all this nonsense about defection was probably some elaborated S-class secret mission.

Obito fed Sasuke the story that the Kyuubi was a natural incident. Because of that, it seemed like the Uchiha were suspected without any basis whatsoever. But in reality, Obito was behind it, and there actually were grounds for suspicion of the Uchiha.

I still believe that if Sasuke hadn't been fed this lie, he might have walked a different path.

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The betrayal you can see is trivial. What is truly fearsome, is the betrayal you don't see.

That's the one lie Obito said and Sasuke didn't even believe him. Moreover it didn't make the Uchiha looks anymore innocent since no living soul knew about Obito.

He did believe him. Sasuke bought the story that Itachi lied to him about the Kyuubi to keep him away from Obito. After all, Itachi had been lieing to Sasuke for all his life, so it's not that illogical.

True, they didn't know about Obito. But they knew that the Uchiha were said to be able to control the Kyuubi. They suspected that an Uchiha was behind the attack, and they were right. Now, if it had been a natural incident, then their suspicions of the Uchiha would be ungrounded. There is a difference.

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The betrayal you can see is trivial. What is truly fearsome, is the betrayal you don't see.

I really can't see the point of starting an endless yes-no conversation when your sole argument is a pic of Sasuke saying he doesn't believe what you say he believes but it doesn't really matter anyway because even if true it is irrelevant : If you were right Sasuke's decision would have been about this but it didn't even get into the picture. It was so unimportant that Minato didn't even mention it.

Haven't Posted in a couple weeks, but I had to log in for this chapter.

I was very much entertained by the flashbacks between Mardara and Hashirima, I would have loved to see an entire series (animated of course) of their story line.

As far as this chapter, I was excited and disappointed at the same time, this is due to two conflicts that I've had about the show for a long time.

1. The first conflict is that I always wanted Sasuke to come back to the "good" side, to see the errors of his ways and become a hero of the leaf village. Sasuke was never really a "bad" guy, even as a young kid, he had a determination to save his friends and never see his comrades die in front of him. Sure, he also had the drive to get stronger to kill his brother, but those feelings were justified in my opinion. This scenario of him going good had been dying down chapter after chapter until now.

2. The second conflict is that since the first season of Naruto, I have been waiting for the long awaited Naruto Versus Sasuke rematch. Good vs Evil. No compromise, just full out battling. This scenario became more and more likely by the chapters, but now seems to have taken a hit.

It's not so obvious how such a fight would happen now, my best case scenario would have been Sasuke staying "bad" , fighting Naruto and having his talking no jutsu convert him into some kind of hero...but that scenario isn't compatible with this current chapter.

I have no problem with Sasuke's answer, with all the information he has obtained now., this conclusion is the ONLY logical conclusion ( but are the uchihas known for logic anyway??). His brother loved the village and wanted nothing but to protect it, so would you do your brother honor by destroying it? Of course not, so yes his decision was logical, but this poses a problem for the rest of the storyline as we have speculated.

It is possible that we wont have a traditional naruto versus Sasuke fight....a different scenario might come up.

Either case, I cannot wait for the Hokages to enter the fight, we are now entering the "last war".

My only hope is with Orochimaru. He has to be planning to use the other three Hokages. No one is buying that he changed. His problem is to distract Hashirama. That can happen on the battlefield. Then he can use the other Kages against the Alliance so he is the last one standing at the end.

Otherwise they serve no other purpose since the odds are overwhelmingly on the Alliance's side. Obito will probably be dead by the time they get there.