Actually, I need to be sitting down... because after Russia released the black boxes after having them in their custody, I expected to hear something from the flight cockpit voice recorder saying something about the nyborg screwing up their depth perception.

Of course, now, the data recorder will say incoming Ukrainian missle.. incoming Ukrainian missile! Got that... THE Ukraine has launched a missile at this plane.

zamboni:Actually, I need to be sitting down... because after Russia released the black boxes after having them in their custody, I expected to hear something from the flight cockpit voice recorder saying something about the nyborg screwing up their depth perception.

Of course, now, the data recorder will say incoming Ukrainian missle.. incoming Ukrainian missile! Got that... THE Ukraine has launched a missile at this plane.

Apparently, the "black" boxes are pretty tamperproof. And there were only two places in Europe considered secure enough to examine them; they ended up in Farnborough (of the air show fame), and were examined in Faraday cage conditions.

However, FTA:

"It did what it was designed to do," a European air safety official told CBS News, "bring down airplanes."

He probably said "aeroplanes".

/And the last thing, other than MH17, that I heard about Farnborough recently, is the no-show of the F-35. Oh dear.

Pretty vague report. My favorite spin on it is eturbonews, which illustrates the story with a picture of the airlock scene from 2001 and says explosive decompression kills you within a half second or so.

There have been many photos and videos seen of wreckage with obvious shrapnel holes - one most persuasive to me was a piece sitting against a tree in a village. It looked like the lower centre part of the cockpit window frames and part of the nose, with many small holes ripped outwards - as if the missile might have exploded just below the nose of the plane, blowing it apart, and reports say the cockpit area wreckage was found far from the main crash site.

zerkalo:OK. Now do we have access to the fuselage in order to trace back what kind of explosive was in that missile? Not that that would quiet the truthers...

Most x-to-Air missiles explode before contact and spread shrapnel or other bits of metal that ultimately shred the aircraft. There would be minimal to no explosive residue on the plane although there may be some on the shrapnel, however the shrapnel itself would be unique enough to provide an ID on the missile. It would be more likely to find one of these bits since they would be numerous and spread out, the missile body itself was more than likely found or 'will never be located' (wink wink comrade). It may settle the debate if it was an air-to-air or ground-to-air missile but since the Ukraine and Russia operate similar or the same systems it wouldn't be conclusive on who fired.

Ummm...if data is unreleased...they would not be able to know the data...that is not conspiracy theory...that is factThe media knows zero what happened to that plane. If a missle truly hit a fuel tank on that plane...there isn't a retrievable black boxFolks need to think before they write...Yikes. Think people...think

FloridaFarkTag:Ummm...if data is unreleased...they would not be able to know the data...that is not conspiracy theory...that is factThe media knows zero what happened to that plane. If a missle truly hit a fuel tank on that plane...there isn't a retrievable black boxFolks need to think before they write...Yikes. Think people...think

sillydragon:FloridaFarkTag: Ummm...if data is unreleased...they would not be able to know the data...that is not conspiracy theory...that is factThe media knows zero what happened to that plane. If a missle truly hit a fuel tank on that plane...there isn't a retrievable black boxFolks need to think before they write...Yikes. Think people...think

I'd a thought they'd hold back on releasing any conclusions until they at least had most of the human remains in the debris field and as much air craft evidence, since Russia was guaranteed to react. But since Russia is shelling from Russia, all pretense is done.

The only thing clouding this as a full act of war is the media consenus and it's black propaganda girlfriend, eating at a McDonald's in downtown Moscow.

cc_rider:sillydragon: FloridaFarkTag: Ummm...if data is unreleased...they would not be able to know the data...that is not conspiracy theory...that is factThe media knows zero what happened to that plane. If a missle truly hit a fuel tank on that plane...there isn't a retrievable black boxFolks need to think before they write...Yikes. Think people...think

sillydragon:FloridaFarkTag: Ummm...if data is unreleased...they would not be able to know the data...that is not conspiracy theory...that is factThe media knows zero what happened to that plane. If a missle truly hit a fuel tank on that plane...there isn't a retrievable black boxFolks need to think before they write...Yikes. Think people...think

Why doesn't Putin just say he did us a favor and read the black box, and emailed us the report. But unfortunately in the process the recording device got scratched, and the email got accidentally deleted.