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Thursday, November 18, 2010

A Bloody Disgrace

What a day

P166/2010 a Proposition that will go down as a pivotal moment in the Decaying Shambles that is the States of Jersey.

We have about 35-40 States members who just don't care. I kid you not, they just don't care.

I will admit that my emotions are running very high at the moment. I have been shocked many times by this shower of crap but today takes the biscuit.

18th November 2010

This is the date when the States Chamber totally endorsed corrupt Government there can be no other way of looking at it.

What is the point of Deputies and Senators researching the proposition, win the debate hands down but then to loose the proposition because of 37 morons dragging the good politicians, the people of Jersey , the Islands reputation down into the Gutter.

It gives me no pleasure that these 37 are quite happy to turn a blind eye to Child Abuse carried out by the States of Jersey

It gives me no pleasure that these 37 are quite happy to let TLS and his gang get away with this shambolic style of Governance

It gives me no pleasure that they are prepared to do this because they don't like Graham Power & Lenny Harper

In there warped and socially corrupt minds it is Lenny and Graham who are the Criminals not the Child Abusers, oh no not the Child Abusers, we must turn a blind eye there, protect Jerseys reputation at all costs.

Yes the Jordans are in court at the moment and I thank Lenny and Graham for that.

The beauty is that this debate is now recorded and will be up on Hansard at a latter date. It should be read by all

There comes a time when you just have to say sorry

It takes a real man to be able to do it

It was nice seeing some good friends today and for them this fight goes on.

The 37 I will assure you this

Your pictures are going up on this blog with some text

You are a danger to me, you are a danger to every child being born , you are a disgrace to the chamber, you have no backbone.

I heard it online. The case put forward was compelling, honest, decent and dignified. There were so few apologists for the Chief Minister it was frankly embarrasing. Those that spoke in favour of Bob Hill's proposition were well researched and spoke with compassion. It came down to a small technical point - that given the findings in Napier, namely that his suspension was unlawful - should the Chief Minister apologise. The evidence was overwhelming and the argument was clearly one but still the silent majority managed to ignore the points put forward. They were, in my opinion, no better then the person who is aware of child abuse happening in the next room, but deliberatly chooses to ignore the cries in the hope that it will just go away. This is perhaps the lowest point in Jersey's political history. We have sunk to new depths and Rico I think your right when you say that the next catastrophic child abuse disaster in Jersey is waiting to happen.

I would like to thank Deputy Paul le claire for getting up today and acting lika a decent proper politician( rare in jersey) Should it come down to me giving him a little push on the blog, maybe not, but chatting with the Deputy last night I knew he would do the right thing.

He had his worries, we all have our worries.

The last thing I said to the Deputy was that if we let this all get brushed away then in 40 yrs time we could have another scandal.

Reporting appeared to be pretty good, except for one legal spokesperson, in playing down what Stuart had said about adding weight to his argument, he said it was quite normal for someone to get bail when they appealed otherwise he would have served a sentence before the appeal. Bong!!

What he did not relate, which is no doubt what Stuart was thinking of, was nobody reported on the fact that Stuart applied for bail pending appeal (yesterday) but this was flatly rejected by Magistrate Shaw.

That's the issue, so obviously Stuart was denied what is considered to be normal procedure, he should not have been jailed at all, that's not to say it will no happen at a later date.

Deputies Hill, Wimbley, Pitman, Tadier, Higgins Le Claire and Constable Crowcroft gave at least three hours of speeches with substance.Senators Le Sueur and Le Marquand gave no more than one hour of negative tripe, yet won the vote.

An absolutely disgraceful day in The States Chamber. Shame on you 37!!And just to let you 37 know. Its not over and complete....

I listened to a bit of states assembly via the cTV link the other day and good old Terry, I will answer but wont actually answer the question Le Sueuer was on. It was nothing to do with napier or hdlg, it was very mundane, in fact I cant actually remember what it was about it really was a mundane question that only required a yes or no answer.

He didnt answer yes or no, just gave one of his usual responses which are basically of the Cover My Back type, whereby if he was wrong it wouldnt matter because he hasn't actually answered the question but if he was right then its all good.

I switched it off after hearing the response as it was exactly the same sort of garbage he gave to the JEP when they tried to ask him some tough questions. I say that in Jest as they didnt follow up on any of his non answers.

I really despise the fact that he his our chief minister, it doesnt even boil down to his stance on napier and his love for the AG etc. It boils down to the fact that I think he is a wimp. He doesnt have the courage of his on convictions because he never has the courage to answer a question by himself. Its all the "I have sought advice" crap. He is meant to be the Chief Minister and should, I think, not need advice. He should as a pilar of society answer questions with a yes or no and then, if you dont like the answer fine ask a bit more, let him be scrutanised a little otherwise what is the point of having a chief minister. Actually, what is the point?!

I did write more but I think my rant above is enough to bore people with, just needed an outlet.Sorry!!!

In the long term today was a massive victory. Our government totally exposed themselves and were offered the chance to put this all to bed, but they declined. The States is a cess-pit of snakes with just a few exceptions and those snakes I am sure are going to wish they had done the right thing.

It certainly was a shallow victory inasmuch as the shame that will now be heaped on Jersey's government will have implications far and wide and for a long. long time.

Again, all credit to the likes of Daniel Wimberley, Trevor Pitman, Mike Higgins, Monty, Simon Crowcroft and Francis Le Gresley for putting forward a clear cut case for this proposition to be a 100% 'pour' vote.

Sadly, the inablility of the CM to stand up and be a real man, and just make an apology means that this whole affair will rumble on and on, because the inadequecies of the whole affair were so well researched and exposed there can be no doubt where the rights and wrongs lie.

The corrupt politicians who have not actually committed child abuse and murder have roped themselves together with the paedosphiles and murderers, so they will share in their punishment. You have to take one side or the other, you can not stand in the middle. Bridget Shaw has chosen the wrong side.

I have been so disgruntled with what has been going on in the States of Jersey in the last few weeks that I have been lost for words. However, Ben Shenton said something in Tuesday's paper that quite shocked me. Not the content, everybody who follows local politics suspects there is too much of that about, but that he openly said so.

I have dashed off a letter to the JEP about it, but, on consideration, I have decided to blog it as well:-

Senator Ben Shenton(JEP, 26th October) has really hit the nail on the head, as to why there is so much dissatisfaction with our government amongst the general public. Two telling phrases, that were worth banner headlines rather than quietly tucking away on page 9: “The States Assembly is becoming more and more irrelevant as the seat of government” and “the real decisions are made outside of the States”.

(a) to request the Chief Minister to inform States members in a Reportpresented to the Assembly, or in a Statement to the Assembly, of theaction he has already taken and the action he intends to take in respectof the report dated 10th September 2010 into the suspension of theformer Chief Officer of the States of Jersey Police prepared for theChief Minister by Mr. Brian Napier QC (‘the Napier Report’) and, inparticular to provide information in respect of the following matters –

(i) what action, if any, the Chief Minister has taken in respect ofthe destruction by the Chief Executive to the Council ofMinisters of the original notes he took during the suspensionmeeting and what guidelines, if any, the Chief Minister hasissued regarding the records of suspension meetings in thefuture;

(ii) whether he accepts the conclusion set out in paragraphs 45,67, 72 and 107 of the Napier Report that action was taken ona basis which was contrary to the advice of the Law Officersand what action, if any, he has taken or proposes to take inrespect of that matter;

(iii) whether he accepts the conclusion set out in paragraphs 49–53, 55, 58–66, 107 and 108 of the Napier Report that the suspension process did not meet the requirements of the Disciplinary Code for the Chief Officer, issued under Article 9(1) of the Police Force (Jersey) Law 1974 as part of the Chief Officer’s terms and conditions, and what action, if any, he has taken regarding the apparent breach of the process specified in the Code;

(iv) why there has been no formal presentation of the report to members and no opportunity to discuss the findings with the author?

(v) what training, procedural and other corrective measures, if any, he has taken in order to ensure that personnel issues, and in particular disciplinary issues, are managed appropriately in the future;

(vi) whether any disciplinary proceedings have been taken as a result of the findings of the Napier Report and, if so, to update members on the outcome of those proceedings;

(b) to request the Chief Minister to issue a formal apology to the retired Chief Officer of the States of Jersey Police in relation to the failure of those involved, as identified in the Napier Report, to deal with the Chief Officer’s suspension in accordance with the procedures set out in the Disciplinary Code;

(c) to request the Chief Minister to present the Napier Report to the States in accordance with the provisions of Standing Order 37.

Tellingly, on CTV last night the 'accredited' media could not find a single person in the street who supported the persecution of Mr Syvret. I am sure that if they had found just one who said 'the bugger deserves everything he gets', they would have published it.

It appears that popular opinion is firmly on Mr Syvret's side. This groundswell must be built on for the coming elections.

If I was TLS I would be pleading with my advisors to negotiate a way out of this mess with the back benchers who will not let this drop. Surely he wants to move on from this with some self respect intact so ensure that at the end of his time as Chief Minister he is viewed as somebody who is good to his word in respect of an open, transparent and inclusive government. Similarly should'nt Bob Hill and other's be asking themselves the same question? How can we find some common ground with the COM? Politics is as they say - the art of the possible.

The news yesterday made me feel physically sick. It seems to be a case of a triumph of evil over good.

Stuart should be held up as a shining example of an honest, decent, citizen who acts in the public interest. The treatment he has been given is on a level with the worst banana republics that have ever existed.

So, it appears that Jersey is a safe haven for the paedophiles, the murderers, the tax evaders and just about any criminal, or spiv going. Not a place for the decent people like Stuart. I think he should rethink his living arrangements.

Another classic speech from Deputy Jeune, this is the level of member we have in the States God help us. She doesn’t understand much.

Members will be aware of what I have said in this assembly before in that Jersey has not always failed children in its care and there are those who will state that what is now known as hdlg for them gave them safety and security when they needed it most and almost 60 years later good relationships between those children and some of the house parents and those in charge still exist, having said that sir I thank the CM for his comments to this proposition and I trust all members have read them. What I don’t understand sir is and I hoping that the proposer will be able to clarify in his summing up is why a senior manager attended a meeting I’m assuming not knowing what it was about, not knowing who he was going to see and therefore didn’t take somebody with him normal senior manager good managers will check why am I being called to this meeting what is it for who’s going to be there and if you don’t know and you get there and there is more than one person and your alone you’d say I’m adjourning this meeting until I’m able to come with a witness rep or whatever were told this was a highly commended senior person to me it’s just basic management I don’t understand and I’d be very grateful if that could be clarified, and it’s been said that no disciplinary action was taken but we all I believe understand that that’s because the former chief officer of the Police resigned before that could take place and what I don’t understand is why if the individual felt so aggrieved why he hadn’t resigned earlier, well that’ll be clarified whether he resigned or retired but why 2 years or when the incident took place why he didn’t resign and take a case of constructive dismissal though appropriate channels and I’d be really grateful if I could understand that.

the whole world is run by corrupt governments and jersey is no exception, as a tiny island the power the deputys have to just feed the people with there bullshit propaganda and a shut up and just do as i say attitude,we as people have a rite to know what goes on and a choice to decide what we gona do about it! to live in fear of keeping ones mouth shut and to be happy with the concrete jungle is not enough for those of us who seek the truth,GOVERNMENTS ARE THE LARGEST CULT!dont be brainwashed by what they tell yourico keep up the good work, proud of you brother!oh tryd to write this on your blog but wouldnt acceptxxx

One point I might add, and its a very sad point, is the good old Jersey public tar everyone in government with the same brush. We have some excellent States Members, but, we also have 30+lunatics sucking every last ounce of integrity out of Jersey.

These issues go to the heart of everything. This 30+ cannot be trusted anymore with delivering good governance to the good people of Jersey.

As the dust of P166 settles its devastating effect will be felt for a very long time. Yes we all new it would be defeated, yes it bloody hurt by the utter majority of the defeat but believe it or not

THE PROPOSITION P166 WON

No other proposition has exposed the shameful incompetent establishment part as this one.

What the public should be in arms about is that these 30 or so FSL are paid by taxpayers for their duties to the Island as a whole.

You would of thought they would at least take the time to make themselves aware of issues I would like to see each and everyone of them defend their position then we would see how clued up they really are on the issues they vote on.

A worthwhile exercise would be to see if we can find a voting pattern of the above named FSL sheeple.

Members will be aware of what I have said in this assembly before in that Jersey has not always failed children in its care and there are those who will state that what is now known as hdlg for them gave them safety and security when they needed it most and almost 60 years later good relationships between those children and some of the house parents and those in charge still exist--------------------------------------------------Some of the children were encouraged to abuse other children in the home.

The nuclear fallout of P166 has only just started. VFC has put the brilliant opening speech of Deputy Hill up. Like I have said before P166 was always going to loose but my god it did it's job and so much more.

I firmly believe that no other Proposition has exposed the totally toxic chamber like P166 has, and the reason for this is very simple. P166 was asking for some truth, honesty and integrity, it was asking for a proper functioning government with checks and balances, it was asking this from our Chief Minister, it was brilliant in its simplicity.

Yet they failed on all counts but one

He just cant' Apologise

Believe me when I say

With this Attitude and this level of Governance the child in the care of the States of Jersey are not safe.

Would you be a Whistleblower in this climate when you have seen what is allowed to go on.

"The Farce Blog had a bloody good go and bringing me down. They attacked me for fighting for Abuse Victims, and pulling the politicians up who were responsible for the cover-up. They even started trying to scare me off by threatening my job online and then they crossed the line but thats for another blog"

They crossed the line, what line did the cross. Please don't feel like you have to answer this as i know you have more pressing issues. In a funny kind of way its like a cartoon over here where everyone is chasing each other.

They chase him because they have nothing better to do with their time. Or should I say his time.

Rico perhaps you'd like to do a blog about the death treats, intimidation and abuse you have received in the time youve been blogging about child abuse in Jersey. And tell the story about Andy James. Decent people will be truly shocked.

To be honest the stuff that comes my way and gets said about me on the other blog is Kids stuff, I can handle it. When certain things get taken out of my control, then I have to do what Im advised to do, that is why I needed access to the Blog. Believe me what I receive is nothing compared to what Deputy Labey went through.

I have never ever understood why my search for the truth concerning the child abuse scandal, the utter lack of integrity shown by our politicians etc etc has to do with my Job.

I don't question people just for the sake of it. The people on my blog hold public office, they affect me, they are open to public scutiney, they must be asked searching questions, they must be challenged. If my Media is not up to that challenge then I am..

What must be asked is why would someone want to threaten my job, why would someone feel the need to do that, what is that person hiding what are they afraid of..

The Farce blog has two moderators apparently. Now these two are in sole control of their blog, no comment can go up without them knowing, its that simple. They allowed the disgusting Labey episode to happen they have also allowed comments to go on about me and my job, not 1or 2 but many, I needed those comments. Why, when all I question is the good governance of Jersey. I do this based on hard research and fact .

Like I say I can handle it. It would be very easy for me to stop all this walk away and whistle dixie for the rest of my life.

Not a chance.

Fear has won the day for far to long in Jersey

I will tell the story one day. Andy James do you really exist. You say I have been attacking a member of your family on this blog. Please contact me here and tell me your problem. Your comment wont be published unless you want it to be.

I have e-mailed Deputy KEVIN LEWIS to ask him why he was marked as "not present" for the P166/2010 vote and will let you know when/if I get a reply.

On that note I have created 2 folders with the pictures of "the dangerous ones" in them. the first is named "FSLM" and the second is called "The silent Assassins" Kevin Lewis is in the latter.

The "FSLM" has 33 candidates and taken from there is 18 silent assassins. Those are the politicians who say or do next to nothing in the States but vote with the establishment party "under the radar" so to speak.

"Andy James do you really exist. You say I have been attacking a member of your family on this blog. Please contact me here and tell me your problem. Your comment wont be published unless you want it to be."

That's a dignified response. Fair play. I hope you get an answer. It would be poor form if you didnt.