He is going to see his day in court. He has zero support left. He is gooorne.

If he had zero support, it wouldn't have taken the NEC 13 hours to decide to recall him. Listen to the press interview: Ace actually said there were members who didn't want him out. Remember is not only JZ - there's a whole faction within the ANC that is in his camp. And he still has a massive supporter base under the rural voters, especially in KZN.

Read the thread, especially Beaver's post. He is not gone yet; he needs to resign. Which he can just refuse to do (and already has a couple of times over this last week).

I just watched a very interesting analysis on News24. The political commentator said that even if a motion of no confidence in him is passed through parliament, he needs to resign, I.e such a motion will not automatically remove him either. It will however create a constitutional nightmare..... and we all know how faithful he is towards the constitution.

Of course he might just resign tomorrow and that's the end. But there are still ways it could go wrong.

He will have his day in Court tough, I agree. If the PP goes ahead with the charges.

I'm not so sure of this. I live and work in rural KZN, from among the folks who work here, they tend to say that they no longer support him and are happy to have CR as President.

But yes, if JZ does decide to resign, it would probably only be tomorrow.

I just saw another interview with a political commentator, who made another worrying observation....

He's saying that the ANC recalled Zuma, without giving him clear indications as to why he's being recalled. In fact, in the press briefing Ace went so far as to state "president Zuma did nothing wrong". Which fits in nicely with JZ's question to Cyril, where JZ specifically asked Cyril "what did I do wrong".

So now the NEC is effectively answering that question by saying "you didn't do anything wrong, but we're recalling you nonetheless".

So JZ can then simply ask "so why are you recalling me then". Then refuse to resign.

If they had to bring up corruption and state capture as reasons, then half of the MPs must also be fired (including Ace, who drafted the letter and delivered it to JZ).

The ANC created a huge mess for themselves. They better hope JZ resigns without a further word on this matter.

I think this whole saga cost them a good 3-5% in votes in 2019. Even more if things go horribly wrong and the opposition manages to get parliament dissolved; we will then have to have an election within 90 days, which the ANC can ill afford right now. Even more so considering the fact that their attention will be divided between the JZ saga and campaigning.

He is going to see his day in court. He has zero support left. He is gooorne.

If he had zero support, it wouldn't have taken the NEC 13 hours to decide to recall him. Listen to the press interview: Ace actually said there were members who didn't want him out. Remember is not only JZ - there's a whole faction within the ANC that is in his camp. And he still has a massive supporter base under the rural voters, especially in KZN.

Read the thread, especially Beaver's post. He is not gone yet; he needs to resign. Which he can just refuse to do (and already has a couple of times over this last week).

I just watched a very interesting analysis on News24. The political commentator said that even if a motion of no confidence in him is passed through parliament, he needs to resign, I.e such a motion will not automatically remove him either. It will however create a constitutional nightmare..... and we all know how faithful he is towards the constitution.

Of course he might just resign tomorrow and that's the end. But there are still ways it could go wrong.

He will have his day in Court tough, I agree. If the PP goes ahead with the charges.

I'm not so sure of this. I live and work in rural KZN, from among the folks who work here, they tend to say that they no longer support him and are happy to have CR as President.

You're back in KZN now? Lucky you if so.

Because I was a sales rep for just about the whole of the province, I've found he doesn't have much support South of Durban. Or even as far north as Umhlanga.

From around the Mandini area to Richardsbay, and inland to about Greytown, he still has massive support.

If Buthelezi handed over the reigns of Inkhata to a much younger, charismatic Zulu guy 15 years ago, things would've been very different today.

He is going to see his day in court. He has zero support left. He is gooorne.

If he had zero support, it wouldn't have taken the NEC 13 hours to decide to recall him. Listen to the press interview: Ace actually said there were members who didn't want him out. Remember is not only JZ - there's a whole faction within the ANC that is in his camp. And he still has a massive supporter base under the rural voters, especially in KZN.

Read the thread, especially Beaver's post. He is not gone yet; he needs to resign. Which he can just refuse to do (and already has a couple of times over this last week).

I just watched a very interesting analysis on News24. The political commentator said that even if a motion of no confidence in him is passed through parliament, he needs to resign, I.e such a motion will not automatically remove him either. It will however create a constitutional nightmare..... and we all know how faithful he is towards the constitution.

Of course he might just resign tomorrow and that's the end. But there are still ways it could go wrong.

He will have his day in Court tough, I agree. If the PP goes ahead with the charges.

I'm not so sure of this. I live and work in rural KZN, from among the folks who work here, they tend to say that they no longer support him and are happy to have CR as President.

You're back in KZN now? Lucky you if so.

Because I was a sales rep for just about the whole of the province, I've found he doesn't have much support South of Durban. Or even as far north as Umhlanga.

From around the Mandini area to Richardsbay, and inland to about Greytown, he still has massive support.

If Buthelezi handed over the reigns of Inkhata to a much younger, charismatic Zulu guy 15 years ago, things would've been very different today.

Live between Mkuze & Hluhluwe, proper Zululand. The Zulu's that I work with do not want him anymore. He seems very unpopular.

My cousin, born and raised in Mandini, and can speak Zulu fluently (you wouldn't think it's a white oke speaking if you don't see him), to this day can't pronounce Hluhluwe without covering you in spit

Ah yes, I forgot those who left are 'traitors'. I did my service, and then left because I knew what was going to happen. Zuma going can only be good. You don't think returning souties will be good for SA, doos?

Ah yes, I forgot those who left are 'traitors'. I did my service, and then left because I knew what was going to happen. Zuma going can only be good. You don't think returning souties will be good for SA, doos?

Did you do your military service?

Yep G1K1. I'm 49. Nothing was going to happen and nothing has happened. Also, I was just pulling your poes hairs.

Ah yes, I forgot those who left are 'traitors'. I did my service, and then left because I knew what was going to happen. Zuma going can only be good. You don't think returning souties will be good for SA, doos?

Did you do your military service?

Yep G1K1. I'm 49. Nothing was going to happen and nothing has happened. Also, I was just pulling your poes hairs.

Fair enough. Easy to say that nothing was going to happen in hindsight... I want die kinders to really experience SA for a bit, they've only been there on holiday for a bit.

They haven't even visited Gauteng which is the family background area. Bit sad, but as long as Malema and that lot stay away from power then maybe SA will be okay.

I'm sure there must be reasons, so how has the SA constitution managed to box itself into a system of government in which its electorate have no say in who will be the next person with seemingly unfettered dictatorial powers to 'represent' and rape the country?

Bit of a drawback of the parliamentary system in general when you have one dominant party is it not?

Even more so when that one party puts itself ahead of the country, and the individual members are not allowed to vote outside party line in something like a motion of no confidence.

That's the norm everywhere, and putting party ahead of country is also rather common - see Cameron's decision for calling a EU referendum.

Will Ramaphosa taking the mantle as President in the next couple of days bring up constitutional issues further down the line? Like when he wants to run for his second full term?

Any ideas? Or has this been covered.

I don't think Ramaposa will take over as president. Parliament has to vote in a new president, and I think the ANC will nominate a woman as a candidate to serve as president of the republic until 2019 elections. I think if Ramaposa takes over right away, he will not be able to stand for the 2023 election.