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Yeah, heck they could quote Dish's CEO and claim they didn't have that many viewers on Dish anyway so the impact isn't that much.

It is clear this isn't a normal channel carriage dispute: these two owners have made it personal and neither wants to compromise. So the odds are high Dish customers just won't get to watch AMC shows (unless they go elsewhere.)

Leaving the viewers out, and just looking from a company point of view, hard to see it any way except that it hurts AMC more than Dish. At least short term. You never know how many new customers each year will choose DirectTV instead of Dish because they want to be able to get AMC. But in the short term I have to guess this hurts AMC's ad rates ( though we'll probably see those numbers this coming season.)

Great points!! That, IMOSHO, is why AMC is "dissing Dish" (try saying that ten times fast ), as they know they will lose viewers come October.

But Dish also knows in the future they will lose potential customers. I upgraded my receiver a year ago and would pick DTV if I had to do it again today b/c of AMC/IFC. We may switch in the future, but the benefit/PIA of a DVR is that we have a lot on there to watch. In possible anticipation of a switch, we are making an effort to watch DVR'd content. It's good to "clean house" every so often!!

JOY

Walking a fine line between intellectual curiosity and information overload!

All of the dialog here has made me checkout a few programs on AMC that I had never watched. Not sure I am into Breaking Bad. I'll give it a few more episodes. The wife clearly is not into it. I ordered the BluRay of Season 1 of Mad Men from the Dish Blockbuster and we like it. Since it started in 2007 we have a lot of BluRays to go through before we are ready for the 2012 season. Dish did give me a credit to download the HD version for Hell on Wheels from iTunes and I really like that show. With all of the new shows starting this fall, I have way more material to watch than what my schedule allows so whether AMC and Dish reach agreement is not really an issue for me.

Just a quick word on Breaking Bad. For me, the only thing that worked was going to Season 1, Episode 1. A bit doubtful after that, but an ep or two more, I was hooked. I had tried jumping in middle season 3 and it didn't take.

I have about 18 episodes of BB recorded from their event right before they pulled the plug. I am missing a few but can get them through Blockbuster. It is on the backburner now as I am more into Mad Men and Hell on Wheels.

According to a CBS News story (http://m.cbsnews.com...9&videofeed=999), it is expected for AMC Networks and Dish to reach a settlement before a September 19 trial date. However, I think it is important to remember that anything can happen.

According to a CBS News story (http://m.cbsnews.com...9&videofeed=999), it is expected for AMC Networks and Dish to reach a settlement before a September 19 trial date. However, I think it is important to remember that anything can happen.

That article has several wrong things in it... The most egregious is saying that "Dish has blacked out AMC channels since July"...

Dish has NOT blacked out AMC channels. Dish and AMC did not renew their contract to carry once the contract expired.

Off-topic, but CBS can't threaten to drop Dish exactly... I mean, CBS doesn't own and operate ALL of even a majority of the CBS affiliates out there... so they don't have a say in that.

IF CBS attaches other channels it does own to the OTA dispute, then they will look bad for doing so in customer's eyes since customers frankly want the commercial skipping feature.

So... CBS' best chance is in court, IF they can win an injunction there... but CBS will never win in the court of public opinion.

Even people like me that see their beef about the AutoHop feature wouldn't support CBS taking the ball and going home over it.

Meanwhile, back to topic... it will be interesting to see IF the Voom lawsuit proceedings have any effect on getting AMC back.

The funny thing is AMC's actions in many ways support what Dish said about how Rainbow (the former AMC operation name) ran Voom... asking for money but not spending it on the programming they say... so in some ways the recent AMC dispute hurts the Voom suit more than Dish's behavior I think.

CBS is available OTA in most large areas. Only change for me might be to order the dual OTA tuner for my 722K. My 722 already has OTA. I can see where it might bother the Hopper people since there is currently no OTA module. Who knows, Dish is pretty creative. They might even speed up the development and give the OTA modules away free or at low cost.

CBS is available OTA in most large areas. Only change for me might be to order the dual OTA tuner for my 722K. My 722 already has OTA. I can see where it might bother the Hopper people since there is currently no OTA module. Who knows, Dish is pretty creative. They might even speed up the development and give the OTA modules away free or at low cost.

Keep in mind, though, IF CBS pulls its owned channels... then that means the EPG data is gone too... so you would have to set manual timers, and some Dish receivers do not have that feature any longer.

Keep in mind, though, IF CBS pulls its owned channels... then that means the EPG data is gone too... so you would have to set manual timers, and some Dish receivers do not have that feature any longer.

In light of the way that Dish has handled the AMC situation and tried to keep customers happy, it wouldn't surprise me if they continued to upload the EPG data.

On another note, we just finished watching the last disc of Season 1 of Mad Men and have Season 2 on our BB Queue. One could always hope that by the time we get caught up that AMC might be back on Dish. Not a hill to die on but it would be nice.

Emmys and Oscars are designed for actors and the like to pat each other on the back.

Not only that... but of the two shows on AMC garnering those nominations... Breaking Bad is in its final season and Mad Men has almost been canceled once already due to dispute with the showrunners over cost.. so don't hold your breath thinking Mad Men will be around much longer.

AMC wants to lock providers into a 3-5 year contract most likely (a guess on my part based on other channel deals we have read about recently)... by which time you could find yourself locked into paying for AMC and none of those award winning shows are on the air to justify that higher contract.

Not only that... but of the two shows on AMC garnering those nominations... Breaking Bad is in its final season and Mad Men has almost been canceled once already due to dispute with the showrunners over cost.. so don't hold your breath thinking Mad Men will be around much longer.

I believe that it was determined that Mad Men would run a maximum of seven seasons,

JOY

Walking a fine line between intellectual curiosity and information overload!