Reader Comment: Hunting no 'sport'

Wednesday, November 3, 2010 at 7:46pm

There's not much "sport" in sitting in a tree stand, with a high-powered rifle, or 12 gauge with deer slugs, waiting for a big buck to come and sniff the buck lure you sprinkled on the ground, below your tree stand. All those items, (except the buck), are available and on sale at Walmart's Sporting Goods Dept.

And certainly there is no "sport" involved in a deer-vehicle collision.

121 Comments on this post:

By:bnakat on 11/4/10 at 1:26

@Loner: Alas, you finally have a comment published, and it is unrelated to your disdain for the State of Israel. Neither were your unsubstantiated claims that the Tea Party movement is financed by a wealthy cabal lifted from a post and used. However, your contempt for deer hunters was recognized as newsworthy.

Your use of such terms as rifle, 12 gauge, and firearms possibly qualified you for a substitute LTE. The editorial board of "The City Paper" seems to be, shall we say, "left leaning," and therefore would oppose guns. An alternate explanation could be that the ubiquitous Mr. D'Argent suggested that they use your post instead of one of his diatribes on guns.

One of your statements appears a bit odd, to wit "And certainly there is no "sport" involved in a deer-vehicle collision." Now, I understand your main point in the post was to dispel the notion that hunting deer with guns is a sport. But whence comes the idea that anyone, for sport , kills deer with a vehicle?

This is intended as banter, not discourse material; just observations to get your New York juices flowing.

By:dargent7 on 11/4/10 at 4:29

bnakat: You seem to thrive on using high fallutin' vernacular to make exactly, what point?
That you're an avid hunter?
Hunters don't use high powered rifes with scopes?
Maybe venture into a Dick's Sporting Goods store or a Bass Pro Shop to see the arsenal of weapons available.
You can even bring one into your favorite bar.

By:bfra on 11/4/10 at 5:06

Loner has presented far better & more interesting comments than this one. I thought this comment, amusing, but not anything to take the place of a LTE. But, at least, he wasn't using the CP, for a FREE promotion of a book (a silly book at best), as Eddie A did.

By:govskeptic on 11/4/10 at 5:41

Shot through a living room window screen with shotgun once to kill
a hugh turkey, was that bad?

By:bfra on 11/4/10 at 5:49

gov - Depends on the owner of the screen, the location and hunting laws in the area!

By:dargent7 on 11/4/10 at 5:57

Loner's gone Hollywood. Next we'll see him on Geraldo, The View, and ShowBiz Tonight.
Then "60 Minutes" will come knocking and find out all about his past drug usage and all that mail he still has in his attic.

By:Blanketnazi2 on 11/4/10 at 7:14

Out of all comments, this is the one NCP posts? Silly. Hey, Loner - I thought of you last night because our local PBS station had a piece about a winery in upstate NY. They specialized in fruit wines.

By:Loner on 11/4/10 at 7:22

Good morning, Nashville!

Well, I am indeed flattered to see one of my posts elevated to this level. I quit sending in LTE's, because the NCP seemed to be looking for local writers, not out-of-staters. Perhaps I should try again.

Thank you, Bnakat, for the kind words. For the record, I am not anti-Israel per se, I question the efficacy and wisdom of the US-Israel special reloationship and I believe that Zionism has failed to deliver, as promised...Israel is an apartheid, militant. nuclear-armed, police state....that was not in the original design.

As for the Tea party movement, the Koch brothers and Rupert Murdoch have been generous benefactors for the so-called "populist" Tea party agenda. This is tycoon-based populism. Like all candidates, the Tea Party people are beholden to special interests.

I did not mean to suggest that some people might try to hit deer with their motor vehicles for "sport"....although there probably are a few miscreants who do just that. I threw that in because I was trying to find the "sport" aspect in herd thinning; certainly no sport in car-deer collisions and there is little sport in the modern methods of deliberately "harvesting" deer. Perhaps the comment was
unnecessary and distracting from the main point...it could have been left out, I suppose...this was just a post, I did not clean it up, as I might for an LTE submission.

Darge, thanks for the support....I expect that Oprah will be calling me this morning...I'll hold out for a new motorcycle as my price for appearing on her show. That, or a Selmer Mark VI tenor sax.

Thanks for the words of encouragement, Bfra; we often disagree, but we manage to keep it civil, through mutual respect.

I may have to break out the NY State champagne this morning....I'm king for a day in Nashville.

By:Loner on 11/4/10 at 7:30

BN: Was the piece produced by WXXI, our PBS affiliate in Rochester, NY?

The Four Chimneys winery makes organic wines, some fruit-flavored, was that the winery in the PBS piece? Four Chimney wines contain no sulfites; but, to me, their wines are mediocre in taste etc. The folks that run that winery are all pretty cool, their winery is located on a beautiful site in the Finger Lakes region.

I was thinking champagne, BN, even before I read your wine comment...we must be sending ESP messages to each other. Where have you been lately....I missed your comments.

By:dargent7 on 11/4/10 at 7:38

Speaking of winerys, I'm going to an event at Kix Brook's Arrington Winery tonight.
Anyone who wants a peice of me can come, greet, and meet.

By:Blanketnazi2 on 11/4/10 at 7:38

Hey, Loner. I didn't catch the name of the winery. It';s run by a couple who were fruit farmers and decided to open a winery instead. btw, i've been working a lot more these days and don't have as much time to "play." i miss you guys! 8~)

By:house_of_pain on 11/4/10 at 7:40

d7, you better break out your "flame" shirt & duster for that event.

By:gdiafante on 11/4/10 at 7:47

Congrats loner, I thought that was a fine post.

By:Loner on 11/4/10 at 7:50

Bnakat, here is a link to a well-documented piece by Frank Rich, of he NY Times; the article exposes the Koch Brother's and Rupert Murdoch's behind the scenes manipulation of the "grass roots" movement.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/29/opinion/29rich.html

Jane Mayer wrote an expose for the New Yorker on this subject, entitled Covert Operations, here is the link:

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer

That should "substantiate" my claim....enjoy!

By:bfra on 11/4/10 at 7:54

d7 - If it is a "special" event, get there early, or you will be walking a looooong way! House's duster suggestion was also good.

By:Loner on 11/4/10 at 7:59

Thank you, Gdiafante. I appreciate that.

Keep schlogging, BN...I hope that you are raking in the dough...so to speak. As for wines, my current favorite is a white wine from Keuka Springs Winery..it's called Vignoles....it is so tasty, that it almost qualifies as a breakfast wine.....citrus-like nuances of flavor that excite the palate and stimulate the taste buds...it's a rather complex taste...very sophisticated, yet clearly on point.

Maybe I should write for a wine mag.....nah, too elitist....I'll write for this community of fine posters instead....nuthin' elitist here......well, maybe Bnakat, just a tad.....but, we need that for balance.

By:Funditto on 11/4/10 at 8:04

Congratulations Loner!!!!!! I know this is a banner day for you.

By:Funditto on 11/4/10 at 8:07

D7 - dress warm. I heard there may be a flake or two on the Cumberland Plateau

By:Loner on 11/4/10 at 8:16

Correction: The official name of that winery is Keuka Springs Vineyards.

It features a beautiful outdoor tasting area that overlooks the East Branch of Keuka Lake (the bifurcated or "crooked lake")' near Penn Yan, NY.

The view is fantastic and it's OK to buy a cold bottle and walk through the vineyards themselves, sipping the finished product...they'll even loan you a couple of wine glasses and pull the cork for you...friendliest winery I have found yet.

They also have live music there on occasion....on a warm sunny afternoon, sipping an ice cold Vignoles, with that special person and listening to good music - with a panoramic view of one of the finest Finger Lakes...to me, it does not get any better on this planet......heaven should be so nice.

By:Loner on 11/4/10 at 8:17

Here is the link:

http://www.keukaspringwinery.com/

By:Loner on 11/4/10 at 8:21

Thank you, Funditto...yes, I am quite gratified and honestly surprised. Did this get published in the hard copy, or is this online only? My ego is just itching to know the extent of my "15 minutes of fame".

By:HokeyPokey on 11/4/10 at 8:24

hell, everyone knows since they outlawed lynching, all we have left is huntin'

and wife beating.

By:Funditto on 11/4/10 at 8:26

I never see the hard copy. I'll look for one today and let you know.

By:bfra on 11/4/10 at 8:27

Loner - Enjoyed you link to Keuka Spring Winery. The picture section, offers a good view of the setting. Thanks!

By:house_of_pain on 11/4/10 at 8:28

Thanks for the link, Loner. I'll be ordering a bottle or 2.

By:bfra on 11/4/10 at 8:32

This is a hoot:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101103/ap_on_en_ot/us_bush_book

By:Loner on 11/4/10 at 8:33

Tell 'em, Loner sent you....just tell them you heard it from that old, white-haired, bearded, hippie dude with the black do-rag...the scrawny Willie Nelson look-alike....they'll know who you mean...the Vignoles freak.

By:dargent7 on 11/4/10 at 8:38

The CP hard copy comes out on Monday's only.
They stopped printing the LTE's 8 months ago.
This last week was the Tenth Anniversary edition.
I offered to send one to "Loner" but Sing Sing doesn't allow foreign mail to be received by inmates.

By:girliegirl on 11/4/10 at 8:39

Loner, we've never had "over-population" on this earth in pre-man history because we had predators to "handle" that for us. Do some research, and yes, I now own an entire library on the topic thanks to my father's passing. Deer have no predators, therefore w/o culling they often succumb to wasting disease....to the point that parks in TX (it's been on the news there) have let hunters come onto the property and HUNT. Talk about gross! The news showed Bambi walk right up to the guy w/the rifle, and them "bam" ...it dropped to the ground. None of the other deer fled a the noise either. Amazing. They were so tame....so sad.

By:dargent7 on 11/4/10 at 8:42

"pain": I have no idea what a "flame" shirt and duster are, but I'll wear my Detroit Lions jersey with a Red Wing T-Shirt underneath.
That should be enough to scare off any troublemakers.
Anybody got a used Randy Moss jersey they want to sell?

By:gdiafante on 11/4/10 at 8:43

"Red Wing T-Shirt underneath."

You are dead to me.

By:Loner on 11/4/10 at 8:45

I read your link, Bfra. Sounds like Junior Bush finally spilled his guts. His regrets about invading and occupying Iraq were purely operational ones; he did not regret his decision to pre-emptively invade Iraq, that is to say starting an elective war based on flimsy allegations, while the War in Afghanistan was far from resolved...no regrets there it seems.

Bush the Younger clings to the idea that he was surprised to learn there were no WMD in Iraq...he prefers to be remembered as a gullible dupe, as opposed to Darth Vader. The guy is probably full of crap on that....he played dumb, but much of that was an act.

Flip Wilson, a black comedian in the 70's, used to say, "the devil made me do it." Junior Bush seems to be saying, "Cheney made me do it".

Back to the subject of deer hunting; I read an article yesterday about the dear deer population getting so overwhelming they are beginning to cause vast over population problems over the nation.

Looks like it would be better if everyone got a gun and started eating more deer meat. Git the population down and save more automobiles.

A high powered rifle would be best. That way you wouldn't mess up the meat with a bunch of lead pellets from a shotgun in it. They can break you teeth if you chomp down too hard.

By:bfra on 11/4/10 at 8:52

Loner - Have read a few excerpts from his book, when I see them online and they are all dumb. He was soooo hurt, boo hoo, by Kayne West's put down. Who does he think he is fooling?

By:bfra on 11/4/10 at 8:53

Hunt deer with a shotgun????? Who?????

By:slacker on 11/4/10 at 8:55

Good comment loner.
bfra, some people use slugs.

By:Loner on 11/4/10 at 8:55

Moss is a rolling stone, gathering no moss....from the Patriots to the Vikings and now to the Titans....round and round and round he goes, where he stops, nobody knows....on Randy Moss, no moss grows.

Remember, football, more than most any other team sport, is in fact a TEAM sport...if Moss proves to be too slippery and the Titan's slip and slide to NFL infamy.....it could be a moss-related incident.

The disgruntled Moss may slip out of town sooner rather than later.

By:yogiman on 11/4/10 at 8:59

I meant deer population, folks, not the human bunch. They are great in helping the automotive industry, though. Sometimes even the medical industry and the funeral services. Killum, damnit, killum.

By:slacker on 11/4/10 at 9:00

meaning shotgun slugs, not ''Mongo''

By:yogiman on 11/4/10 at 9:02

Thanks, slacker. I was gonna tell bfra some people melt all of those pellets into a single ball and put it back in the pellet holder. Then they call them slugs.

By:bfra on 11/4/10 at 9:02

slacker - Not if they are experienced hunters. Good way to just wound the deer and let it suffer a slow death. Most use 30-30 or 30-06.

By:slacker on 11/4/10 at 9:06

bfra true. Or my patented chase them off a cliff method.

By:bfra on 11/4/10 at 9:07

yogi - Then they wouldn't get pellets to break their teeth, now would they?

By:bfra on 11/4/10 at 9:08

LOL slacker!

By:gdiafante on 11/4/10 at 9:10

It's so refreshing to see such compassion for the deer.

And I think I'll take your advice and apply it to life in general. Next time I see a human suffering with disease, I'm going to shoot them...don't worry, it'll be a clean shot.

We wouldn't want them to suffer, would we?

By:slacker on 11/4/10 at 9:11

Darge, I'm out of Moss jerseys, but I can put you in a ''Crazy legs Hirsch'' jersey for a modest sum.