Speaking of the Bremain/Brexit thing -absurd names anyway- what do you all think of this?

It's hardly my expertise but if you look at the numbers a Brexit appears to be quite absurd. More than half of the UK's exports and imports are with EU countries. After a Brexit this trade will remain subject to the exact same rules and regulations which are vilified now by the Brexit campaign. It doesn't matter whether one likes them or not, whether they are good or bad, the fact is that they will remain applicable. Those rules include the free movement of people from all countries inside the EU. All countries, and all people inside those countries.

It's simple, if the UK wants to close their borders to certain singled out immigrants, they're also closing their borders to the trade with the EU. That would unquestionably be a disaster for the UK. Again, that is the case regardless of how one considers this. Good or bad idea, it is and will remain applicable.

The only thing that would really change is that instead of having a moderate impact on the decision making that leads to those rules and regulations they would have none whatsoever. How is that an improvement?

What's more, the isolation of the UK after a Brexit would almost certainly lead to a successful secession of Scotland. It was already very close before and a Brexit would push the issue over the edge. And then you're left with an England with hardly any manufacturing (yay, Thatcher) and with a City who would dwindle in importance due to its isolation leaving the financial economy (a contradiction in terms but that's another discussion) equally crippled.

Speaking of the Bremain/Brexit thing -absurd names anyway- what do you all think of this?

It's hardly my expertise but if you look at the numbers a Brexit appears to be quite absurd. More than half of the UK's exports and imports are with EU countries. After a Brexit this trade will remain subject to the exact same rules and regulations which are vilified now by the Brexit campaign. It doesn't matter whether one likes them or not, whether they are good or bad, the fact is that they will remain applicable. Those rules include the free movement of people from all countries inside the EU. All countries, and all people inside those countries.

It's simple, if the UK wants to close their borders to certain singled out immigrants, they're also closing their borders to the trade with the EU. That would unquestionably be a disaster for the UK. Again, that is the case regardless of how one considers this. Good or bad idea, it is and will remain applicable.

The only thing that would really change is that instead of having a moderate impact on the decision making that leads to those rules and regulations they would have none whatsoever. How is that an improvement?

What's more, the isolation of the UK after a Brexit would almost certainly lead to a successful secession of Scotland. It was already very close before and a Brexit would push the issue over the edge. And then you're left with an England with hardly any manufacturing (yay, Thatcher) and with a City who would dwindle in importance due to its isolation leaving the financial economy (a contradiction in terms but that's another discussion) equally crippled.

On the 'plus' side though, they'd have Boris Johnson as PM

The popularity of the 'Brexit' option seems to be not much different than the Trump phenomena (or the old Quebec separatists). That is to say, they hold their opinion DESPITE all the facts. That facts that you and I agree to, they will call propaganda and lies. In their alternative reality, those facts just don't exist.

Btw, from what I've been reading about the British polls is that the growing support for Brexit is coming mostly from Labour voters.

As far as I can see, the one thing that is ultimately driving the 'Brexit' thing is hatemongering against Muslim immigrants. Nothing else makes any sense at all.