Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
I can't give Paul a win in a debate that he doesn't have any control in.

If he wants to win a debate...he needs to be more commanding. He sits, he waits, he gets ignored, he gets called in, gives his same canned answer he
gives at every debate in a very awkward and stuttering fashion, and he goes back to sitting, and waiting....wash, rinse, repeat.

It's hard to say who is "winning" this debate. Gingrich squashed the ex-wife story...Romney has successfully stayed on his spinning
platform...Santorum is attacking like an animal...and Ron Paul is giving his consistant answer.

Originally posted by Grimpachi
When Ron Paul says things like need to get out of South Korea that's where he loses me as a veteran and having served their I know the importance of
why we need to be there and so should he.

So you disagree with your brothers in uniform?
He gets the most active duty donations than everyone else combined

No I dissagree with Ron Paul. I don't care where his money comes from. That should not be the point.

Rather have money donated to a candidate from Vets then corporations and banks. And I believe campaign donations speak highly of the man. Most vets
are sick of war (obviously I'm guessing , those that are not stationed in SK).

Really though, We need to be there? Why?

To maintain peace?

What happens when our economy collapses because we overstretched ourselves protecting other nations? What happens then, peace wise?

Either we get out now and try to maintain our own boarders or we continue to overstretch our military arms/ eventually financially self destructing
because of it. Either way, we will eventually leave. I'd rather have our own nation remain stability.

I'm not singling you out, I just don't get why people think we can continue to play world police, without compromising our own national security.
It's not our job to play world police. We do not need bases in almost every country on earth....

We can't afford it anyways. If things don't change, it's going to get worse here at home.

If we leave South Korea North Korea will attack and they will win unless we go back to war. We have promised to defend South Korea pulling out is not
a option. When I was there there were at least three times that North Korea threatened war. The DMZ is a cease-fire scenario technically they are
still at war. Still like your cheap cars and electronics and that is only possible because we have troops there. That is only part of the reason but
it is enough of a reason.

The idea that I should vote for Ron Paul because other people in the military vote for Ron Paul is antiAmerican. I served my country but I did not
give up my right to have my own opinion. The opposite should be true. I have my own idea of why Ron Paul is popular with military. He is not as
popular with veterans.

Ron Paul just made a point that we should bring our troops home and put them on our borders which is unconstitutional. Somebody should call him out on
that.

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
I can't give Paul a win in a debate that he doesn't have any control in.

If he wants to win a debate...he needs to be more commanding. He sits, he waits, he gets ignored, he gets called in, gives his same canned answer he
gives at every debate in a very awkward and stuttering fashion, and he goes back to sitting, and waiting....wash, rinse, repeat.

It's hard to say who is "winning" this debate. Gingrich squashed the ex-wife story...Romney has successfully stayed on his spinning
platform...Santorum is attacking like an animal...and Ron Paul is giving his consistant answer.

edit on 19-1-2012 by OutKast Searcher because:
(no reason given)

Newt answered the ex-wife question well, but I wouldn't go as far as saying he squashed the story. What makes you think it basically doesn't exist
anymore, and isn't a problem? The interview hasn't even aired on the west coast. Not sure about the east.

Originally posted by Grimpachi
When Ron Paul says things like need to get out of South Korea that's where he loses me as a veteran and having served their I know the importance of
why we need to be there and so should he.

So you disagree with your brothers in uniform?
He gets the most active duty donations than everyone else combined

No I dissagree with Ron Paul. I don't care where his money comes from. That should not be the point.

Rather have money donated to a candidate from Vets then corporations and banks. And I believe campaign donations speak highly of the man. Most vets
are sick of war (obviously I'm guessing , those that are not stationed in SK).

Really though, We need to be there? Why?

To maintain peace?

What happens when our economy collapses because we overstretched ourselves protecting other nations? What happens then, peace wise?

Either we get out now and try to maintain our own boarders or we continue to overstretch our military arms/ eventually financially self destructing
because of it. Either way, we will eventually leave. I'd rather have our own nation remain stability.

I'm not singling you out, I just don't get why people think we can continue to play world police, without compromising our own national security.
It's not our job to play world police. We do not need bases in almost every country on earth....

We can't afford it anyways. If things don't change, it's going to get worse here at home.

If we leave South Korea North Korea will attack and they will win unless we go back to war. We have promised to defend South Korea pulling out is not
a option. When I was there there were at least three times that North Korea threatened war. The DMZ is a cease-fire scenario technically they are
still at war. Still like your cheap cars and electronics and that is only possible because we have troops there. That is only part of the reason but
it is enough of a reason.

The idea that I should vote for Ron Paul because other people in the military vote for Ron Paul is antiAmerican. I served my country but I did not
give up my right to have my own opinion. The opposite should be true. I have my own idea of why Ron Paul is popular with military. He is not as
popular with veterans.

Ron Paul just made a point that we should bring our troops home and put them on our borders which is unconstitutional. Somebody should call him out on
that.

Yeah, I find little DEBATE in these so-called debates. There is not debate on principled views and Ron Paul is the only one that HAS any so they
should all be debating Ron Paul and not each other on who said what in what "debate".

I was going to stay out of this, but what the heck.
Why in the hell do you suppose it is YOUR duty to "protect" South Korea? Or OUR duty? How do you benefit besides getting a paycheck?
You are protecting the interests of BIG CORPORATIONS, not your own interests, or those of your family, unless you work for these corporations
directly. And of course, those same corporations serve only themselves, not the interests of Americans in general.
South Korea can afford their OWN damn protection.

WIN - bring the troops home and get the Department of Defense to DEFEND our borders.

That would be unconstitutional. You can use National Guard troops on the borders but not federal troops unless he's willing to declare war. Two
people you really want to see federal troops on our borders? I have seen so many threads where people were afraid just that yet people are cheering
for that because Ron Paul said that. That is insanity.

If we leave South Korea North Korea will attack and they will win unless we go back to war. We have promised to defend South Korea pulling out is not
a option. When I was there there were at least three times that North Korea threatened war. The DMZ is a cease-fire scenario technically they are
still at war. Still like your cheap cars and electronics and that is only possible because we have troops there. That is only part of the reason but
it is enough of a reason.

The idea that I should vote for Ron Paul because other people in the military vote for Ron Paul is antiAmerican. I served my country but I did not
give up my right to have my own opinion. The opposite should be true. I have my own idea of why Ron Paul is popular with military. He is not as
popular with veterans.

Ron Paul just made a point that we should bring our troops home and put them on our borders which is unconstitutional. Somebody should call him out on
that.

i was a Korean linguist in the army.

South Korea is not a push over. North Korea is not as all powerful as you say, most of North korea is starving... not figuratively, LITERALLY starving
- many to death!

North Korea has been propped by China, and it has ALWAYS been a proxy war between the US and China... that is not something you will hear on the
nightly news.

Did you hear the crowd's reaction to the question about his ex-wife???

Sure, the talking heads will talk about it...but it will never be a debate question again, it won't be an interview question without him giving the
same exact answer, and none of the candidates will pick it up as an attack because of how the crowd reacted.

I thought the story was a big joke after they hyped it up so much and then it came out to just be more dirt about his marriages. So in my opinion...I
don't think it was much of a story to begin with.

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