Genevieve Marie:Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I don't think McVeigh was a religious zealot. His reasons for the bombing had nothing to do with religious beliefs, anyway.

You know, I hadn't read up on McVeigh in awhile so this prompted me to pay a quick visit to his wikipedia entry. You know what's so striking about it? Quite a bit of his rhetoric, the rhetoric of a domestic terrorist who killed 168 people, sounds no different than what you'd hear on right wing radio or read on Free Republic or American Thinker.

Why do people think I can't be serious when I say that the Teahadists are really a genuine threat to America and a nascent fascist party? You think I'm just overly paranoid when I say they're just one charismatic leader and one national crisis away from putting a US Hitler in the White House?

Gyrfalcon:Genevieve Marie: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I don't think McVeigh was a religious zealot. His reasons for the bombing had nothing to do with religious beliefs, anyway.

You know, I hadn't read up on McVeigh in awhile so this prompted me to pay a quick visit to his wikipedia entry. You know what's so striking about it? Quite a bit of his rhetoric, the rhetoric of a domestic terrorist who killed 168 people, sounds no different than what you'd hear on right wing radio or read on Free Republic or American Thinker.

Why do people think I can't be serious when I say that the Teahadists are really a genuine threat to America and a nascent fascist party? You think I'm just overly paranoid when I say they're just one charismatic leader and one national crisis away from putting a US Hitler in the White House?

great... someone else who can inherit the label of antichrist.(for those that believe in such things) For the record, I think you're serious and i take it seriously.

Gyrfalcon:Genevieve Marie: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I don't think McVeigh was a religious zealot. His reasons for the bombing had nothing to do with religious beliefs, anyway.

You know, I hadn't read up on McVeigh in awhile so this prompted me to pay a quick visit to his wikipedia entry. You know what's so striking about it? Quite a bit of his rhetoric, the rhetoric of a domestic terrorist who killed 168 people, sounds no different than what you'd hear on right wing radio or read on Free Republic or American Thinker.

Why do people think I can't be serious when I say that the Teahadists are really a genuine threat to America and a nascent fascist party? You think I'm just overly paranoid when I say they're just one charismatic leader and one national crisis away from putting a US Hitler in the White House?

no Tea Party schmuck will ever threaten anything. if nothing else, they're a liability for the republicans. and yes you sound paranoid.

Insurgent:Serious Black: kingoomieiii: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: So human life begins when, exactly?

Let's go with "Cognition". Once the prefrontal cortex finishes its boot cycle and acquaints itself with your senses, you are a human.

This is around the end of the second trimester, when the brain forges its permanent connections to the nerves of the body.

I say it happens when you start masturbating or have sex, whichever comes first. If that happens when you're in utero, awesome, more power to you. If it happens when you're twenty, damn, that sucks giant monkey balls.

Let's go with "Cognition". Once the prefrontal cortex finishes its boot cycle and acquaints itself with your senses, you are a human.

This is around the end of the second trimester, when the brain forges its permanent connections to the nerves of the body.

I say it happens when you start masturbating or have sex, whichever comes first. If that happens when you're in utero, awesome, more power to you. If it happens when you're twenty, damn, that sucks giant monkey balls.

david_gaithersburg:Genevieve Marie: david_gaithersburg: Only you can tell us, so how racist are you?

A lot less racist than I was raised to be. Not necessarily by my parents, but by absorbing cultural attitudes and the prevailing attitudes of people around me. It wasn't until I was an adult and until I started actively reading perspectives from people of color on racism and until I started actively seeking out information about social and political inequality that I was able to start to unravel all the toxic ideas you absorb without realizing you're doing it.

Stuff like the idea that black people are needlessly resentful of a system that represents them just fine. Stuff like the idea that the criminal justice system is fair, and that America is a country that provides justice for all. Stuff like the idea that poverty is somehow tied up in the moral failings of the poor.

It took a lot of time and a lot of work to get through that much bullshiat.

.Growing up white in Baltimore I've only been a victim of racism.

You've never been a victim of anything in your soft, fat, spoiled little life, snowflake.

AverageAmericanGuy:If you could go back in time and kill Hitler when he was a child, some would look at you as a murderer, but others would consider you a hero.

Now, with the case of abortionists, we know they are performing abortions and they are, in some views, murdering innocents. Not too different from Hitler's death camps. So instead of having to consider in retrospect what you could have done to prevent the Holocaust, you are now presented in your life time a chance to put a dent into the holocaust of innocent babies.

Don't you think that some people would think such a person a hero? Why is this a surprise to anyone?

Wait, abortion is murder? Holy sh*t.

/no, not really.//anti-abortion groups value the potential for life over actual life

Bontesla:AverageAmericanGuy: If you could go back in time and kill Hitler when he was a child, some would look at you as a murderer, but others would consider you a hero.

Now, with the case of abortionists, we know they are performing abortions and they are, in some views, murdering innocents. Not too different from Hitler's death camps. So instead of having to consider in retrospect what you could have done to prevent the Holocaust, you are now presented in your life time a chance to put a dent into the holocaust of innocent babies.

Don't you think that some people would think such a person a hero? Why is this a surprise to anyone?

Wait, abortion is murder? Holy sh*t.

/no, not really.//anti-abortion groups value the potential for life over actual life

And as soon as it's born they demonize it as a burden on America. But it also serves as a means of punishing the mother for her evil, sinful ways. They value it as everything except a human life.

Serious Black:Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Serious Black: douchebag/hater: 1) Oh, bullshiat, subby2) The article is from Yahoo, that fount of 'just the facts, m'am' journalism? Oh, puleeze.3) Subby? Get back to me when fundamentalist Christians start flying 777s in mosques and Muslim office towers; then you might have a point. Until that you happens you're showing your stupidity in posting this.

Is that close enough?

I don't think McVeigh was a religious zealot. His reasons for the bombing had nothing to do with religious beliefs, anyway.

Is being a religious zealot a prerequisite for committing an act of terrorism?

Let's see, some guy was opposed to abortion and killed an abortionist so therefore people who espouse the same beliefs of the killer must be hounded by federal prosecutors? Wouldn't that be like prosecuting everyone who supported violent terrorist and abolitionist John Brown?

Genevieve Marie:Gyrfalcon: But last time I did, someone accused me of playing "the race card."

That one always makes me roll my eyes. My mother was born in 1953. Legal segregation was around until she was 11 years old.

I'm supposed to believe that when my mother was a kid, people thought black people were so inferior that sharing a restaurant or a theme park with them was intolerable... but in one generation an attitude so engrained that segregation couldn't be overcome without help from the national guard has totally disappeared, leaving behind a post-racial utopia?

Well, and those statistical studies on whether the same resume sent in to various companies with job vacancies doesn't lead to a 2:1 ratio of interview offers in favor of white sounding names than black/hispanic sounding names. When those studies come out roughly 1:1 then at least part of racism has run its course, while your assumed race massively handicaps your career the idea that racism is anywhere near resolved is laughable and ignorant.

Noam Chimpsky:Let's see, some guy was opposed to abortion and killed an abortionist so therefore people who espouse the same beliefs of the killer must be hounded by federal prosecutors? Wouldn't that be like prosecuting everyone who supported violent terrorist and abolitionist John Brown?

Hindsight bias. If history had turned out differently, we might not see slavery as an intrinsic evil today.

Serious Black:douchebag/hater: 1) Oh, bullshiat, subby2) The article is from Yahoo, that fount of 'just the facts, m'am' journalism? Oh, puleeze.3) Subby? Get back to me when fundamentalist Christians start flying 777s in mosques and Muslim office towers; then you might have a point. Until that you happens you're showing your stupidity in posting this.

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Is that close enough?

Every time this comes up, some moron posts a picture of the Federal building in OK City, completely ignoring the fact that Timothy McVeigh was not a religious zealot. In fact, he denounced religion. He hated the government, plain and simple.

BillCo:Serious Black: douchebag/hater: 1) Oh, bullshiat, subby2) The article is from Yahoo, that fount of 'just the facts, m'am' journalism? Oh, puleeze.3) Subby? Get back to me when fundamentalist Christians start flying 777s in mosques and Muslim office towers; then you might have a point. Until that you happens you're showing your stupidity in posting this.

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Is that close enough?

Every time this comes up, some moron posts a picture of the Federal building in OK City, completely ignoring the fact that Timothy McVeigh was not a religious zealot. In fact, he denounced religion. He hated the government, plain and simple.

Again I ask, is being a religious zealot a prerequisite for being a terrorist?

Serious Black:Noam Chimpsky: Let's see, some guy was opposed to abortion and killed an abortionist so therefore people who espouse the same beliefs of the killer must be hounded by federal prosecutors? Wouldn't that be like prosecuting everyone who supported violent terrorist and abolitionist John Brown?

Hindsight bias. If history had turned out differently, we might not see slavery as an intrinsic evil today.

That's why you don't prosecute mere supporters. Obama's buddy Ayers was a supporter of cop killing Black Panthers and other murderous terrorists. Even named his kids after the murderous activists that he liked. Ayers' wife dug that groovy Charlie Manson. I'm less sympathetic to Ayers' cause than these Kansans cause, so it would be totally appropriate for me to prosecute Ayers if I had the power, right?.

i propose we just cut to the chase and start feeding christians to the lions, then abortions will be legal and uncontested

problem solved

but first things first, we should censor any of their posts to prevent any corruption of our pure anti-christian minds

if we have to keep a religion around, because of the bleeding hearts, i suggest we tolerate islam, since it is the religion of peace (as i have no doubt has already been pointed out in this thread, yet again)

Serious Black:douchebag/hater: 1) Oh, bullshiat, subby2) The article is from Yahoo, that fount of 'just the facts, m'am' journalism? Oh, puleeze.3) Subby? Get back to me when fundamentalist Christians start flying 777s in mosques and Muslim office towers; then you might have a point. Until that you happens you're showing your stupidity in posting this.

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Is that close enough?

close enough for me

the christian text that the christian zealot mcvey was reading while he was just following orders:

"Don't imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth! I came not to bring peace, but a sword." ~cult leader

duh, the only logical and rational choice is if you can't afford a child is to put it down

that cable fee isn't going to pay for itself, and there aint no way i'm going to miss OW MY BALLS, so if it comes down to letting babby be born and miss my favorite show or just pluggin a cap in his dumb ass so that my life is more convenient

well do i have to explain to you the obvious outcome?

what really pisses me off is that silly age restriction that "doctors" currently have of when it's ok and when it's not politically correct

i want a second opinion:

shiat dude if they ain't old enough to vote then i say fark em

i propose the new late term age limit be 17, and anyone who disagrees with me is just as bad as those psychos in the the article

From an article I saw last week at THE RAW STORY."A chain of Catholic Hospitals has beaten a malpractice lawsuit by saying that fetuses are not equivalent to human lives. According to the Colorado Independent ( http://coloradoindependent.com/126808/in-malpractice-case-catholic-hos pital-argues-fetuses-arent-people ), in the death of a 31-year-old woman carrying twin fetuses, Catholic Health Initiatives' attorneys argued that in cases of wrongful death, the term "person" only applies to individuals born alive, and not to those who die in utero."

I drunk what:duh, the only logical and rational choice is if you can't afford a child is to put it down

Or you could use birth control, but the vast majority of people who are anti-abortion are also anti-birth control. Hmm...I guess you could poison the water supply with hormones or drugs that kill everyone's sex drives.

DaTheorist:Catholic Health Initiatives' attorneys argued that in cases of wrongful death, the term "person" only applies to individuals born alivewho can vote, and not to those who die in uterocause our lives to be inconvenient."

FTFY

you will look so dumb 40 years from now with your antiquated and hateful bigotry

Serious Black:douchebag/hater: 1) Oh, bullshiat, subby2) The article is from Yahoo, that fount of 'just the facts, m'am' journalism? Oh, puleeze.3) Subby? Get back to me when fundamentalist Christians start flying 777s in mosques and Muslim office towers; then you might have a point. Until that you happens you're showing your stupidity in posting this.

Genevieve Marie:But you know what? There was no institutional power behind the prejudice you experienced. You weren't being harassed by black cops, appearing before black judges, being taught by black teachers, and represented by black politicians. Your parents and grandparents weren't denied educational opportunities and housing opportunities and all of the other things that go into building security and comfort.

There's a very different power balance and history behind being white in a majority black area and being black in a majority white area. Even a very quick examination of American history should make that much very clear..Want to know how I know you have never lived in Baltimore, or Detroit?

I've lived in New Orleans. The demographics are similar.

New Orleans is 2:1 black to white. Baltimore is slightly over 2:1 black to white. Detroit is 8:1 black to white. That's basically the same racial makeup as the Dominican Republic.