I think the twitter followers example puts things in perspective on how UNIMPORTANT Cyborg is. It's unscientific, but for someone that claims to be the #1 womens fighter in the world, yet Ronda & Miesha are much more well known in social media circles. Hell, Liz Carmouche who no one outside of this forum knew about 6 months ago has almost as many followers.

Cat Zingano had 5k followers prior to her fight with Miesha. She's up to 18k, and by the time TUF 18 airs and we get to the finale I'll bet she'll be close to 100k. You can say its the Zuffa marketing bandwagon, or power of media or whatever spin you want to put on it, but it's simple....if the vast majority of "casual fans" don't know who you are, how do you expect to demand big money?

Back to the Gina Carano issue. She's been out of the sport for 4 yrs, struggled to make 135 back then and would struggle to make 145 NOW. Not to mention she pulled in over $500k for her role in Fast/Furious. She wouldn't make anything near that in mma. There is absolutely nothing to lure her back to the sport.

I think the twitter followers example puts things in perspective on how UNIMPORTANT Cyborg is. It's unscientific, but for someone that claims to be the #1 womens fighter in the world, yet Ronda & Miesha are much more well known in social media circles. Hell, Liz Carmouche who no one outside of this forum knew about 6 months ago has almost as many followers.

Cat Zingano had 5k followers prior to her fight with Miesha. She's up to 18k, and by the time TUF 18 airs and we get to the finale I'll bet she'll be close to 100k. You can say its the Zuffa marketing bandwagon, or power of media or whatever spin you want to put on it, but it's simple....if the vast majority of "casual fans" don't know who you are, how do you expect to demand big money?

Back to the Gina Carano issue. She's been out of the sport for 4 yrs, struggled to make 135 back then and would struggle to make 145 NOW. Not to mention she pulled in over $500k for her role in Fast/Furious. She wouldn't make anything near that in mma. There is absolutely nothing to lure her back to the sport.

I like how you claim it's unscientific; yet, use it as an example to show how popular the other three girls are, while at the same time using it as an example to show how unimportant Cyborg is , Flound probably has a word for that. It's common knowledge that UFC is very heavy on the media promotion side of things, yet Cyborg is holding her own with none of that. Along with other small factors.

The simple answer to that simple statement is, Womens' mma on the whole is to shallow to ignore and claim her to be irrelevant, a fighter of Cyborgs talent.

can you understandthat being flagged because of being over T/E ratio and being accused of steroids using are two different charges?
No matter if one is que consequence of the other, overeem' steroids tests were negative, NEGATIVE. So you CAN'T FORMALLY / LEGALLY charge anybody of using them.
And that is why he has never been charged with such allegations

14/1 can only be caused from Steroids! You really think that 1 man produces the same amount of Testosterone as 14 men naturally? It is impossible!

The average male produces a T/E ratio around 1:1. The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) uses a 4:1 standard for positive tests, and NSAC uses 6:1 as its cutoff, a number used by WADA up until 2006

I like how you claim it's unscientific; yet, use it as an example to show how popular the other three girls are, while at the same time using it as an example to show how unimportant Cyborg is , Flound probably has a word for that. It's common knowledge that UFC is very heavy on the media promotion side of things, yet Cyborg is holding her own with none of that. Along with other small factors.

The simple answer to that simple statement is, Womens' mma on the whole is to shallow to ignore and claim her to be irrelevant, a fighter of Cyborgs talent.

Cyborg is holding her own with none of that? Without looking it up, please name the last 3 girls she's fought.

Cyborg is holding her own with none of that? Without looking it up, please name the last 3 girls she's fought.

That has nothing to do with the subject we're on ie fighters subjective popularity, but if you wanna change the subject, some really ugly chick, that was a replacement fight for Gomes, some Asian chick that looked like she didn't belong in there, then some other chick where she defended her title she won from Marleos. I think I know where you're going with this though,.... more circular reasoning.(if you compare twitter followers she's holding her own, in the #s)

scenario B) ronda gets beaten down, just like gina carano.. the beauty and the beast enter the cage and the beast wins.

This is what I suspect; although, I won't make any claim of it being the legit reason; that, it's why Zuffa offered up a Lowball payday. See it's quite possible that Zuffa in making a financial investment in a fighter, ie Rousey, find it in their best interest to protect that investment. Having your investment get shitkicked right outta the gate is not good for the bottom line.

It's almost like Cat is "somewhat" tailor picked for Rhonda to beat, I mean why not just throw McMann in there, why, because they need to protect their investment. Kinda like how it worked out that Condit would be the guy to face GSP after his long layoff.

That has nothing to do with the subject we're on ie fighters subjective popularity, but if you wanna change the subject, some really ugly chick, that was a replacement fight for Gomes, some Asian chick that looked like she didn't belong in there, then some other chick where she defended her title she won from Marleos. I think I know where you're going with this though,.... more circular reasoning.(if you compare twitter followers she's holding her own, in the #s)

Wait, so if it has nothing to do with the subject why don't you address that with the individual that posted everyones twitter followers. I was simply responding to that post. Oh wait, that was you!

No, actually it was renjr84. I responded to his statement that there was somehow a correlation between the number of twitter followers and presumptive speculation that it equals a "super fight". It's all there in black n white on the previous page.

No, actually it was renjr84. I responded to his statement that there was somehow a correlation between the number of twitter followers and presumptive speculation that it equals a "super fight". It's all there in black n white on the previous page.

Ya well that's your conversation with him, I addressed "YOU", it's there in black and white couple posts up.

This is what I suspect; although, I won't make any claim of it being the legit reason; that, it's why Zuffa offered up a Lowball payday. See it's quite possible that Zuffa in making a financial investment in a fighter, ie Rousey find it in their best interest to protect that investment. Having your investment get shitkicked right outta the gate is not good for the bottom line.

Interesting you should assume all these scenarios, because the Fact is while at SF this fight was on the Desk, but Cyborg F-cked the whole thing up by pissing Dirty. Ronda adapted and in the process, realized 135 was where she belonged all along. We can gaze into our "crystal balls" and predict till the cows come home. It doesn't change the fact that there is plenty of talent in the BW division for the foreseeable future and their name ain't Cyborg

And i responded to YOU as you can see. YOU post twitter followers, I respond referencing twitter followers and yet i'm somehow changing the subject. Ahhhh...gotcha!

LOL, You responded by referencing twitter followers, I provided a rebuttal for that circular reasoning, you didn't respond to that, and at the same time changed the subject to "who has she fought". I responded to that as well, now you've gone back to the subject I addressed by not addressing it. D'oh !!

LOL, You responded by referencing twitter followers, I provided a rebuttal for that reasoning, you didn't respond to that, and at the same time changed the subject to who has she fought. I responded to that as well, now you've gone back to the subject I addressed by not addressing it. D'oh !!

Dude, you're all over the place. I don't even think you know what the f**k you're talking about. You know what the dead giveaway was? The fact that you posted the thread and hadn't read the actual article you posted. That's genius.

Dude, you're all over the place. I don't even think you know what the f**k you're talking about. You know what the dead giveaway was? The fact that you posted the thread and hadn't read the actual article you posted. That's genius.

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Nice try, I've yet to talk about the article...at all. This discussion was about each fighters potential popularity, until you changed the subject. You see, yes I included the article, but I also posted the thread title. Maybe you're confusing my posts with renja's, oh wait you are.

Nice try, I've yet to talk about the article...at all. This discussion was about each fighters potential popularity, until you changed the subject.

That's odd. Because that's why i've been talking about (popularity), and yet you couldn't catch that? You stated

Womens' mma on the whole is to shallow to ignore and claim her to be irrelevant, a fighter of Cyborgs talent.

so as a point of reference I did a quick fact check with you (presuming you are actually a step above the casual mma fan) to see if you knew who Cyborg has fought recently. Afterall, if she's on the verge and/or worthy of "Super Fight" status, it should be known especially in the mma circles that her resume is up to par. I'm sorry if you found that confusing.