I had a chance to ride behind a 2003 or 2004 VLX in GA a few weeks back. It had ~1500lbs of ballast and the wedge.

I came down on a heelside jump and I got knocked senseless. As the driver came around to pick me up he said that I landed in the "trough" of the wake.

I've never noticed this trough on my 205V (unless I don't have enough weight in it yet to make one)

I have notice that people complained about the trough of pre '07 Air Nautique 210's.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about and does your 205V hull make a trough at the bottom of the wake?

Thanks,
beatle78

mccobmd

09-21-2007, 03:27 PM

Are you talking in between the wakes or outside. My X1 has the 205 hull and if you are too far back there is a second wake coming up and a trough on the bottom of that that goes back up. Mine does it with no weight in ballast. I thought that was peculiar to this hull. I'll be interested to see if others have noticed. I chalked it up to an inboard since this is the first I've owned.

beatle78

09-21-2007, 04:44 PM

yah I'm talking about the outside bottom of the wake.

basically the VLX wake "dipped" from the lake level before the wake ramp started. I was riding at 70' speed.. not sure.

I have never noticed a trough on the 205V even with over 2000 lbs. I have seen what you are talking about on other boats.

mccobmd

09-22-2007, 02:07 AM

I haven't added ballast since I get all the air I want without it. I am riding a rope length about 65' at 20MPH and it's not much of a problem. My wife ski's at 75 ft 29mph and also avoids it.

swatguy

09-24-2007, 02:29 AM

Very little trough there on my X-Star, but if you don't make it all the way across, the 205V's wake will kick your #$%^ It is hard and kicks up and will destroy you. Not so much so on the Nauty 210 or the VLX,

On the outside part after clearing the wake.....Well not sure why you experienced that on a Bu as they have some of the longest transitions and landing zones. The Nauty's on the other hand have a much shorter transition and are way steeper. if you don't land on the downside in the sweet spot you def feel it in your knees. My guess is that you actually landed just past the wake and on the flat spot right where the wake begins to form from the flat spot so it was like you landed flat and got shocked by the force

03 35th Anniversary

09-24-2007, 05:43 AM

I came down on a heelside jump and I got knocked senseless.
That is one of the main reasons I went to footing.........

beatle78

09-24-2007, 08:26 AM

That is one of the main reasons I went to footing.........

hmmm.... somehow footin' seems like it would hurt much worse....

beatle78

09-24-2007, 08:28 AM

Very little trough there on my X-Star, but if you don't make it all the way across, the 205V's wake will kick your #$%^ It is hard and kicks up and will destroy you. Not so much so on the Nauty 210 or the VLX,

On the outside part after clearing the wake.....Well not sure why you experienced that on a Bu as they have some of the longest transitions and landing zones. The Nauty's on the other hand have a much shorter transition and are way steeper. if you don't land on the downside in the sweet spot you def feel it in your knees. My guess is that you actually landed just past the wake and on the flat spot right where the wake begins to form from the flat spot so it was like you landed flat and got shocked by the force

oh ok, that could be. Whatever it was I felt like I landed on pavement!

I'll tell ya, my new LF Witness 140 is the softest landing board I've ever had (had Substance and Fish). I've come down a few times on the top of the 205V wake bracing for a beating and it busted right through the water so butter smooth... ahhhhhh

Thank you MC!!!!!

wakescene

09-24-2007, 04:01 PM

Trough's tend to occur in 2 situations:

1. Shallow water. The wake cannot form properly in less then 5 feet of water. This creates major troughs and can actually hurt the riders knees.

2. Narrow, heavily weighted boats. Nauti's, MC 205's/XStars etc. It's mainly in hull design but plowing thru the water like they do can cause a push effect and in essence creates a trough just before the creation of the actual wake.

I have seen and ridden both situations, neither are fun!

99xstar

09-24-2007, 10:47 PM

Would be real interested in seeing pics of this, if anyone has them. I have not noticed this on my 99 xstar, but I ride at ~65' and not back at 70'.

swatguy

09-24-2007, 11:03 PM

Well here's some of my 2000 X-Star with my running ballast. Pics are about 3yrs old. Doesn't seem to be much trough if any. Looks pretty smooth til the transition.

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beatle78

09-24-2007, 11:05 PM

yah, my point it that I never saw any "trough" on my 205V. :)

See swatguy's pics. I don't see any trough in them.

OUR HULL RULES :)

sand2snow22

09-24-2007, 11:18 PM

No matter what boat, if you land in the flats with too much weight on your front foot it can hurt!!

beatle78

09-25-2007, 08:04 AM

No matter what boat, if you land in the flats with too much weight on your front foot it can hurt!!

hehe, yah this is true!

swatguy

09-25-2007, 11:00 AM

No matter what boat, if you land in the flats with too much weight on your front foot it can hurt!!

Pretty much how I tore m y ACL/MCL and Meniscus off the d-up Jul 1st.:(

sand2snow22

09-25-2007, 12:04 PM

Pretty much how I tore m y ACL/MCL and Meniscus off the d-up Jul 1st.:(

I feel you, I did my right ACL when I was 18 and my left ACL/Meniscus when I was 22. Both playing soccer. Main reason I'm such a puss when trying to learn new tricks, I don't want to do another ACL.