The ‘Attracted Woman’ Myth

A fairly regular bleat from the woe-is-me contingent of hapless beta male romantic losers who’d rather wallow in self-pity than engage the frightening prospect that deliberate effort can improve one’s sex life, is the recurrent assertion that Game – or any of its organic derivatives – will only work on women who are “already attracted to the man”.

This claim is an indicator that the claimant has either

a. no experience seducing women (as opposed to listening to women talk about other men seducing them, or watching women be seduced by other men), or

b. has had the stroke of luck to land Miss Right early in life, settle down, and thereafter be cursed (or blessed, depending on your POV) to view womankind through snow white-tinted glasses, which act as convenient amplifiers that facilitate the projection of male desire onto female sexuality.

First, a tiny caveat. Yes, there will be a particular woman, and a particular time, when a surge of immediate attraction will be powerful enough to propel her post-haste into a man’s bedroomy embrace. These scenarios exist.

Most times, though, a woman’s journey from meeting to fellating is more labyrinthine, less viscerally certain to occur to one or both parties invested in the hoped-for denouement. As any man who’s shivved a day in his life knows, women aren’t wired in the same way as men. Female arousal oscillates on a spectrum from fleeting curiosity to uncontrollable splooging. Fun fact: In the typical relationship, the men that women are dating or have even married will have begun their courtships, unknowingly for the most part, as nothing more than mildly interesting prospects making no more impression than that of a dim speck on the woman’s heart horizon.

The upshot is that in the sexual market, it’s men who have to work harder, and longer, and smarter, to win the love of a woman. Male desire is a rather simpler proposition; it’s on or off, and the switch is pulled within a second of visual inspection of the woman’s face and body.

The lesson here for the average man is that very few women you meet will be “already attracted” to you, and likewise very few women you meet will be instantly and irretrievably unattracted to you. A woman’s attraction is not a switch; it’s a burner that can burn hotter or colder depending on the skill of the man turning the knob.

The majority of women you will date will have felt a little something from the very beginning, but only a few of those women will reach your bed, if any. Dating is not fucking. Pleasantries are not fucking. Kissing is not fucking. Fucking is fucking, and to get there you have to make a woman MORE ATTRACTED to you, which is where the power of Game aka learned charisma, shines brightest, taking you from a dim speck on her heart horizon to a flaming sunRISE announcing a new lay.

It’s most helpful to think of game as a language… it is the female language of seduction.

Now the “natural” well that is a guy who has learned (or stumbled into) some phrases… better naturals can get buy ordering off the menu, finding bathrooms and making topical conversation etc.

But someone fluent… now that is where game takes the edge… A Game master is equivalent of studying a language through college, with full immersion and specialization in country in various regional dialects and idioms.

That is the difference between a natural and a student of game.

If you know some “natural” game, study and practice will make you better. If you know NO game at all… study and practice will make you better.

never met a natural that stayed a natural through different phases of their life without game study.

example:
high school sports guy that slays poon, but after hs spurts out to betadom

college frat guy slays poon through frat and college environment, then in real world spurts out.

bartender dude slays poon but after a few years spurts out and becomes old news.

most men have some ‘natural’ elements that have worked with women. but as I stated above ive found these natural elements anchored to specifc environements and situations. and theyre unable to intrinsically understand how to engage in new environments.

I always had the importance of game (for getting laid, not for all the other things it helps you with) explained as thus: there are a small number of girls who will just instantly be attracted to you that it would take an extreme lack of game to put off (the ‘guaranteeds’), women who will never be seduced by you for whatever reason, and women who are in between. The better your game, the more likely you’ll be able to score in the in between area, which is what separates men who get laid a lot from men who get laid occasionally (or never).

Well put, fightersword.
As to the relative size of the three categories, that’s sort of, in the big picture, the hand you are dealt. “Game” enables a man greater access to that “in-between” category; in a sense, it could be said that the greatest relative beneficiaries of game are those guys who weren’t born tall and good-looking, and hence, are subject to the smallest proportion of the “instantly attracted” segment and may, through dint of hard work, score some successes with the rest of the population of women with whom the gameless man would never get but a whiff.

I’ve always sort of just simply thought having great game means you can hit a good 3-4 points above what an average guy with your other traits would get. So if you’re a 7 as a man (which isn’t just looks as we know) you can pick up tens with good game and a bit of luck, whereas if you’re just mister rich and fancy your place in social hierarchy can do a lot for you but you’ll still need game for the best girls and a base level of game to be able to swing at your level (and also to not lose your spot as mister rich and fancy)

A base level of game is important for any girl though, because lacking that will actively harm you and cause you to miss out on some of not all of the ‘instantly attracted’ ones.

> “the stroke of luck to land Miss Right early in life” ——— On the exceedingly rare occasion when you cross paths with Natural Chemistry, then move quickly to seal the deal. You’re extremely lucky if you cross paths once per decade, and be prepared for the possibility of only once in an entire friggin lifetime. Move. Quickly. Don’t let it get away.

Arguably that’s the only legitimate purpose for practicing Game all those years – to KNOW [via experience] when the time is right, and then to have the tools at your disposal to MOVE QUICKLY and seal the deal. Any other reason for practicing Game is just a purposeless exercise in Nihilism.

Reverting to comfortable western husband-betadom after one manages to put a ring on it with average to adequate game, is nothing but an express-lane to divorce-court rape.

Game NEVER ENDS with your average western female.

Even if you´re a natural alpha who lets his guard down once too often.
Her herd mind is simply too inundated in toxic feminist ideology, let alone the whispers of her 2-4 divorced “girl-friends”.
Or 5-20 now with (((fuckbook))).

I didn’t say that Game ended. I said that in the VERY RARE INSTANCE when you cross paths with True Natural Chemistry, then you need to seal the deal quickly and get some progeny out of her. Game allows you to: A) Know from experience when you’re dealing with something special, and B) Possess the tools necessary to Carpe Diem.

i know what captain is talking about here. there are many women we meet who we can develop attraction with. but this isn’t simple attraction that we’re talking about. attraction has to be maintained and can easily disappear if you’re not careful. that is what we tend to have with most women we encounter and end up in relationships with.

the chemistry the captain is talking about is more complex than that and it comes with very little effort on anyone’s part. it’s an intense connection that is very difficult to describe but you know it when you feel it. can’t pass that up when you find it because as he says, it might only happen a once or twice in a lifetime if you’re lucky. and when you do find it, it just makes everything so much easier. sure, you always have to be on your toes with any woman. but someone who you have natural, effortless chemistry with is always going to be a dream compared to what you will end up having with someone else.

as mentioned before, game isn’t only about luring in and keeping women. it’s also about having the ability to choose a better woman for yourself instead of settling for whomever happens to cross your path.

My wife has given me a small brood of beautiful Huwhyte children and we’ve been together 10 years . . . and yet I still benefit daily from knowledge of Game and how her pretty little heart works.

I used to be one of those who just sort of stumbled through on luck and some successes without ever stepping back and analyzing or understanding what worked and what didn’t. Understanding Game just makes is all 100x times more enjoyable.

I can understand how, in the absence of the civil pact made among White men (i.e., one man, one woman), the genetic imperative quickly drives society to a polygamy / harem situation. Not just talking about getting laid, but wanting to bring more little Huwhyte shitlords of yours into the world.

Of course, I realize that what’s good for each man’s genes individually is not necessarily good for Whites collectively, and can be counter-productive when it comes to giving your posterity a strong culture in which to thrive. And I try to keep the old fable about The Dog and His Bone in the back of my mind.

The late Christopher Hitchens had some interesting points to make about this subject. Specifically, whatever her initial level of attraction to you, if you can make a woman laugh, you’re half way there. I certainly agree with that. Hardly a revelation, but well worth remembering.

> “I know no single woman in NYC who would ever do a man’s chores” ——— Which is why Troglodyte Cave Man Game works so well on these chicks. They’ve never crossed paths with a dude who is sufficiently masculine not to put up with their bullsh!t. And while you’re at it, throw in some corporal punishment for good measure.

All fine and solid advice for men in their 20s. It all changes in a few years though. An old man’s experience with women 35-40+:

The good news – I have never ‘dated’ a single one who wasn’t DTF almost immediately and believe me… I’m no George Clooney. It is incredibly (almost pathetically) easy to have sex with these women with little investment of time, money or emotional energy. This is true whether they are single or in relationships. Seems like they are all desperate for a good pounding and if you perform well, you WILL be genuinely appreciated … which really is kind of nice.
The bad news – You’re f*cking a 35(+) year old woman. Even the most attractive when viewed next to their younger counterparts are comparatively uninspiring. I’ve seen and dated plenty presentable (with clothes on) women in this age group but a truly hot 35(+) year old woman is a far, far, far, far rarer find in real life than HuffPo et al. would lead you to believe. In the past 3 years, I’ve been with a grand total of one, and this is NYC/Westchester not the sticks. Time is cruel and gravity always wins. Has she had kid(s)? Forget about it. Period.

If you can find one that excites you, you can pretty much have your fill of (mostly) substandard sex. Congratulations…?*slow golf clap* Even the hot one was not able to hold my attention for more than a few months. If you find a 35(+) yo woman who is genuinely as toned as a late 20s early 30s woman, she likely is a borderline narcissist who has little else going on in her life than working out/yoga/dieting/adhering to a stringent skin care regimen/taking selfies, and reading magazine articles about those things.

Very true. I’ve banged some genuinely hot women in their 30s-40s. Getting sex is very easy with them. Around here they seem to take care of themselves more, but, as you point out, they tend to be the yoga/spa/wine bar types.

“High SES locations have a much much higher percentage of”… poontang PERIOD. Poontang will always gravitate towards money & power. My question is whether these aging beauties have any kidz at all, or if they have a collective Total Fertility Rate of 0.0.

There’s also the question of whether looks correlate with IQ [which correlates with SES]. It could be that the smart just tend to be more beautiful than the stoopid. Although the Eskimos do ruin that correlation, if you add them to the mix.

The smart are often wealthy… and wealth attracting beauty… over time [generations] even ugly smart people get better looking. which is one reason why the chosen continue to add the likes of Ivanka and similar to their genetic legacy.

I think women are in fact ALWAYS attracted, even to beta/incel men. What happens is that the rational mind overrides the emotional hindbrain and keeps them from trouble. The default mode, saving blood glucose and thus preserving willpower for a woman, is “no.” The incel doesn’t make her do mental work, so causing her to burn through glucose, so unleashing the emotional brain to get what it wants.

By flipping the script, game causes women to get out of low-energy System 1 thinking, and into exhausting System 2 thinking. In this state, ego depletion takes over, and the emotional mind can now demand the sex it has wanted.

“I think women are in fact ALWAYS attracted, even to beta/incel men. What happens is that the rational mind overrides the emotional hindbrain and keeps them from trouble.”

There is some merit to what you’re saying wrt rational vs emotional (vs instinctual) mind sets but I disagree entirely that women ‘are always’ attracted to beta men. This makes no sense.

Beta men, in the academic context we speak of here, are not ‘attractive’ to women. At times, BPG (beta provider game) is an essential tool in the seduction cycle for an LTR and at time during inital phases before sex is achieved.

However, a beta male, or more qualified as ‘beta male behavior and attitude’ is NOT attractive to women. Women are mostly attracted to a man’s attitude in response to her, above all other factors. By definition a beta male exhibits attitude that does not trigger attraction in women. And this core tenant is what game is built on: teaching men alpha-esque behaviors to attract higher quality women.

To say women are always attracted to beta males but then rationalize their way out of it is simply not true.

I think alpha vs. beta somewhat comes down to whether you’re doing things on your terms or her terms. sex and relationships still happen, but men and women inevitably both strive to stack the deck in their favor.

i’ve ‘lost’ a fair number of girls for being too uncompromising. girls I wasn’t exactly doing backflips for, sure, but still good company and nice, steady discovery channel-style sex. I just did things entirely on my terms and eventually they had a nervous breakdown and left.

you can be very alpha the whole time, but at certain point a not-so-confident girl’s head can explode from feeling like you’re never hooked. one day she’ll just run off into the arms of a reassuring beta. it’s disgusting, but all you can is smile and say, “hey, I understand no hard feelings”, and know they’ll be back around.

in summary, betas do get laid, but not on their own terms. just go to any farmers markets or brunch cafes on a weekend morning and what do you see? legions of cute hot girls with their boyfriends in tow. where are the alphas? out fishing, the gym, the shooting range, hunting, sleeping, etc.

If you read the link, you’ll note that it indicates that men are attracted to type: straight men are turned on by naked women, gay men by naked men. Women, when tested scientifically, are pretty much turned on by seeing anything: naked men, naked women, bonobos having sex. Their vaginas moistened at all of the above. However, when asked what caused them to moisten, they responded only to “proper” things and denied being turned on by the “wrong” sex, either women for straights or men for lesbians.

So, an approaching beta moistens as much as an approaching alpha. The shit test is then raised as the default defense mechanism. When the alpha passes by causing her to get out of low-glucose-using System 1 thinking, the controls on the hindbrain are removed. The beta does NOT get her out of her comfort zone, so the rational mind has enough willpower to override the hindbrain.

It leads to the same result, but I think offers a better explanation of why.

@EA what you’re saying then is they lack discernment in their ability to evaluate potential dangers to that arise via mating and use shit testing as their only defense mechanism, which they have elevated to a fine art as a result. That is consistent with my own observations. Good point.

If you read the study, you find that men’s attraction is categorical: 20yo hottie will attract any heterosexual male. Not so for homosexuals, unless the hottie is a 15yo boy.

Women are a fundamentally different species, per Heartiste, with different primers and a different sexual mating strategy. Trying to ask me to use my judgment and imagine a woman to think the same way is a fundamental misunderstanding of the two sexes’ sexual imperative.

Female sexuality is strange; that was my lesson. I found it bizarre that women were turned on by things that simply would not turn a man on. The great thing about that study: women’s sexuality is a mystery to a lot or most women. They either lie or do not know at a rational level that they are turned on. Getting past that rational level is key to seduction.

Our problem is that the Fascists have always been in the DEM party – the Kennedys, LBJ, the Clintons, the Daleys, the Cuomos, etc. Whereas the GOP has [apparently] always been the party of nice guy losers & effete whining closeted Foam Party s0d0dmites. Which of course is why it’s so vitally important for the Eskimos to destroy The Donald, because (((they))) mustn’t allow the GOP to become a masculine party.

And they’ve run out of gas on that one. After Clinton they’ve been producing effete pretty boys: Kerry, Edwards, Bongo, Trudeau in Canada. That’s ineviable in a political environment that’s controlled by the mobile capital class: the figureheads are selected in a race to the bottom for the most pliant and compromised figures. And their footsoldiers are all-bark no-bite SJWs and undisciplinable BLM.

Our side is no better with its official lineup of cucks, but as opposed to the DEMs, we have Trump and we’ve created a deep a talent pool of cold-steel angry men.

CH. Just to be clear. I steal material from this site and use it in real life without any more shame than I feel about breathing.

Dallas Tonight: Maybe it is the beginning. Maybe all the guys I work with who compulsively stock up on 5.56 mm ammo to feed into their black rifles with high dollar night-vision systems are just ordinary good people who have seen the future and prepared themselves for it…

In the /pol/ thread, the ostensible FBI agent said that the Obama Administration & the Clinton Foundation are being run by Soros, via an organization out of the Bahamas, called “Tavistock”. Also mentions Sidney Blumenthal [Benghazi weapons -> ISIS] and our friendly neighborhood acquaintances from the Mossad/JIDF: http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/79480356/ama-about-the-clinton-case

CH thinks I’m a ‘game denialist’.
In reality, I’m a game non-exaggerationalist.
Game certainly has its uses, chief among them being to imbue guys who lack the social skills, balls, or whatever to approach attractive women (or any women, for that matter) the albeit phony confidence to do so.
You absolutely, positively CANNOT win if you don’t play and game gets them playing.

If “Game” also comprises owning your Inner Frame, then it enforces “Know Thyself”. Ergo you’re honest with yourself about your prospects with an HB9 who shows no signs whatsoever of having any natural chemistry with you. But then “Game” also provides ZFG, which causes you to think, “Yeah, I ain’t got no chance with her, but neither does any other guy, so why not open on her?” And finally, “Game” gives you the tools to choose from when you make your approach – Deep Shiv? Clever Shiv? Just Body Language & Kino & nothing more? Simply ignore her? Tell her to make you a cup of coffee?

Blacks are way too stupid to construct the Lies themselves. They look to their puppetmasters – the Children of the Father of Lies – for guidance in those matters. The SPLC, the ADL of BB, the Rosenthal NAACP, Phuckerberg, and of course the Paymaster Himself, Geoge Soros.

Underestimate the enemy at your peril.
The enemy have latched on to the victim card and will play it again and again, for all its worth. On an individual level and group level.
The way the mainstream media handles this issue becomes a type of positive feedback loop.
I have no doubt that there are (((forces))) behind the scene, asserting influence and pulling strings where they can.

“Where are you going, dear?” The screen door creaks as he exits into the blazing sun, muttering unironically (finally)….”rahowa”. — Twitter

From Johnny Cash, “The Wanderer”:

I went out walking
Through streets paved with gold
Lifted some stones
Saw the skin and bones
Of a city without a soul

[…]
I went drifting
Through the capitals of tin
Where men can’t walk
Or freely talk
And sons turn their fathers in
I stopped outside a church house
Where the citizens like to sit
They say they want the kingdom
But they don’t want God in it

[…]
I went out searching
Looking for one good man
A spirit who would not bend or break
Who would sit at his father’s right hand
I went out walking
With a bible and a gun

Fairfax county has a LOACH with a mini-gun and several armored cars. These things are not hard to dodge or outrun. They use a camera that is not a very good sight picture either. They are good for sending in to dangerous places with limited escape routes, like tunnels.

BTW, I learned recently from my brother that Bill Clinton has had a heart transplant. My brother knows the man who delivered the heart.

The Germans were cowed at first by the T-34 but they were trained to treat fear and danger as an engineering problem by deconstructing and analyzing the individual elements of the threat and creating a response that was feasible in the field. Before they had tanks or PAKs , panzerfausts, etc. anything which could deal with them effectively they did this: they first killed its accompanying infantry which was critical protection, then they threw flour into the view slits and periscopes to blind the crew, then they threw Molotov cocktails all over it and shot the crew as they came out.

Took a 6 month gig in a major metro area. Long story short I passed myself off as rich as I knew I would not be staying around. Rented a house with others and while others were away I invited my coworkers to the house and passed it off as mine.
Rented a fancy car and wore designer clothes. I am considered charming with average looks. I’m 40.

9 females work at this small firm – 3 hotties who are 24, 25 & 28 all in LTR.
Throughout the 6 months all 9 women made passes at me. Some even grabbed my hand in the office and pulled me away to a corner to ask me some bullshit question.
The 28 year old hottie who everyone views as a model employee, nice, shy etc told me after drinks that she ‘hardly sees her boyfriend anymore’ even though she lives with him. And looked at me to make a move.
She asked me if she was staying around.
The 24 year old started feeling me up at a work lunch. The 25 year old asked me over to her apartment one night while her LTR was away.

I am a recovering beta but I was still shocked & disgusted at how disloyal these bitches were and how whorish they were.
It allowed my world to perish and I will never forget it.

In time I got more into my hobbies and treated women as a passing interest. Got laid more with my indifferent attitude.

But never forget what women are like and how they act all good. They are capable of darkness.

Also thanks to CH. Took my girl (30) to Lockport Caves. At one point in the cave the tour guide plays a little joke and turns the lights out. Saying he blew a fuse. So everybody is in darkness for 30 seconds. I took the opportunity to grope my girl and laughed. She slapped me and laughed. Later in the day at a group function she pulled me aside and told me how cheeky I was for doing that. Later that night she jumped me when we were alone.

I would never have thought to do that a few years ago. This blog ahs opened up a new world. Great articles and great comments too. A true learning experience.

Yep yep, wife gets grabbed on the ass and/or boobs on regular basis. One time after a fight it led to some action in the laundry room while kids were playing iPads in the living room 😛
They sure do love it don’t they 😀