Re: All 3 priests specs for WotLK.

Lets say, I think you're quite underestimating Dispersion in PVE Content. Maybe it doesn't sound like a big deal giving a talent point for bit, but finally I must admit that it has some utility.

Espacially considerung the new "alchemy debuff", you could have some mana problems or health Problems too. I consider this skill as some kind of priest bubble. (-90%dmg) For example in encounters like archimonde, you get a "second Chance" by surviving de flame debuff...

Re: All 3 priests specs for WotLK.

imo, take only 2/3 pain and suffering. if you really get THAT unlucky or resisted for 18 seconds and MF doesn't refresh SW:P then w/e, but 66% chance is enough for me. if you really need the 20% less dmg returned from sw:d fine, but i wouldnt really waste the 3rd pt =/

Re: All 3 priests specs for WotLK.

you made an interesting point, but I think SW:d could withoud skilling it (0/3) kill yourself easily.

However only the live experienve will show us, if these -20% are really needed.

But you should also consider, that you may not be spamming mind flay every time during those 18 seconds. So you could be "unlucky". I wouldn't ignore improves shadowform too, because there will be encounters where its pretty useful, but here we must also get some life experience...

Lets say, there will be some space for personal tuning finally in the shadow build depending on your gear / spell rotation, and sometimes even on the encounters of WotLK...

I dont know bout holy or disc, but shadow i know...
you must not...
you didnt take imp spirit tap, bad call
you didnt get dispersion, definitly worth one point
and why 5 points in shadow weaving, wasted point, only needs 4 points.

Re: All 3 priests specs for WotLK.

Not sure why everyone is putting points into imp fortitude and leaving points out of Imp PWS in their shadow pve specs. Kinda stupid...Theoretically you only need 1 person in the raid with Imp fort, why on earth would you nerf your shield to give extra health when someone else can do it.

Re: All 3 priests specs for WotLK.

Shadow Priest PvE Build:

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?prie...12305150501351
Note: Skipping imp. shadow form in favor of imp VE. This may change depending on how much AoE damage there is and how much pushback it causes. (RoS is the only fight I can think of where imp. shadow form would be more useful) also you could take some point out of meditation for this instead.
Shadow weaving - 4/5, as no-one needs 5/5.
Dispersion - this'll be useful in various situations. Every boss in BT has an AoE ability where being almost invincible for 6 seconds would come in handy. (oops fel rage, etc)
Pain and suffering - probably going to want full points here. SW feedback will be a Bad Thing with the changes to Shadow Power and spirit. You really want to regen the full amount lost by SW via VE as soon as it casts.

Dischttp://talent.mmo-champion.com/?prie...00000000000000
Bubble-spec. Based on instant-casts and crit heals to mitigate damage rather than heal it. This spec has low-power heals, but the mana pool is huge. The only issue is i'd like to put inspiration in there for the armor bonus. Oh and it has spirit buff too.

Re: All 3 priests specs for WotLK.

Originally Posted by Calaba

Shadow Priest PvE Build:

http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?prie...12305150501351
Note: Skipping imp. shadow form in favor of imp VE. This may change depending on how much AoE damage there is and how much pushback it causes. (RoS is the only fight I can think of where imp. shadow form would be more useful) also you could take some point out of meditation for this instead.
Shadow weaving - 4/5, as no-one needs 5/5.
Dispersion - this'll be useful in various situations. Every boss in BT has an AoE ability where being almost invincible for 6 seconds would come in handy. (oops fel rage, etc)
Pain and suffering - probably going to want full points here. SW feedback will be a Bad Thing with the changes to Shadow Power and spirit. You really want to regen the full amount lost by SW via VE as soon as it casts.

Dischttp://talent.mmo-champion.com/?prie...00000000000000
Bubble-spec. Based on instant-casts and crit heals to mitigate damage rather than heal it. This spec has low-power heals, but the mana pool is huge. The only issue is i'd like to put inspiration in there for the armor bonus. Oh and it has spirit buff too.

Re: All 3 priests specs for WotLK.

Originally Posted by hellar

dispertion for pve. when am i goin to need that?

When you run out of mana. In WOTLK each player can only use one pot per boss fight, as of the current beta patch. This means personal efficiency and regen methods will become much more important. A well timed Dispersion in between shadowfiend CD's will make the difference between you going OOM and you continuing the pwn. It'll also be great for any fights with random AOE, pop it right when the AOE is about to begin, and you'll take a lot less damage.

Re: All 3 priests specs for WotLK.

Originally Posted by jhemfl

Am I missing something why Imp fort? ....why?

Someone in the raid needs to have it, as this talent scales with Fort rank, and so it will be VERY, VERY powerful at lvl 80. Also as Meditation and inner focus are very useful and it's used to get there, at least for shadow. For Holy it's useful for survival purposes too, although I'd skip it. I skipped it for Disc as that build has spirit buff and very high stamina to start with.

Re: All 3 priests specs for WotLK.

Originally Posted by Calaba

Someone in the raid needs to have it, as this talent scales with Fort rank, and so it will be VERY, VERY powerful at lvl 80. Also as Meditation and inner focus are very useful and it's used to get there, at least for shadow. For Holy it's useful for survival purposes too, although I'd skip it. I skipped it for Disc as that build has spirit buff and very high stamina to start with.

Yea, a healer will have that, why on earth would anyone skip stun, fear and silence resist over that

Re: All 3 priests specs for WotLK.

Originally Posted by jhemfl

Yea, a healer will have that, why on earth would anyone skip stun, fear and silence resist over that

A DPSer needs none of those things. Being stopped from Mindflaying for 3 seconds shouldn't cause any problems at all. DoTs still tick for the duration regardless, and SW and MB continue their cooldowns. Meanwhile, having imp.fort could mean your tank doesn't die while all your healers are stunned/feared/silenced.
The only way having this talent will make a difference between a wipe and a kill, is if you can land a PW:S, and heal (which you shouldn't be doing anyway) having resisted the stun/fear/silence. (Any boss which uses these abilities and has a hard enrage timer is probably badly tuned, as it's depending upon the RNG on resists instead of gear, and can be PvP trinketed against so it's a poor mechanic anyway.)
Besides which, everyone now has boss mods which say when the boss is going to silence, so you can land the PW:S just as it happens.

Re: All 3 priests specs for WotLK.

Originally Posted by Calaba

A DPSer needs none of those things. Being stopped from Mindflaying for 3 seconds shouldn't cause any problems at all. DoTs still tick for the duration regardless, and SW and MB continue their cooldowns. Meanwhile, having imp.fort could mean your tank doesn't die while all your healers are stunned/feared/silenced.
The only way having this talent will make a difference between a wipe and a kill, is if you can land a PW:S, and heal (which you shouldn't be doing anyway) having resisted the stun/fear/silence. (Any boss which uses these abilities and has a hard enrage timer is probably badly tuned, as it's depending upon the RNG on resists instead of gear, and can be PvP trinketed against so it's a poor mechanic anyway.)
Besides which, everyone now has boss mods which say when the boss is going to silence, so you can land the PW:S just as it happens.

Re: All 3 priests specs for WotLK.

Originally Posted by jhemfl

What the hell are you talking about? Do you play WoW?

Do you do anything outside of PvP?

It's a 15% resist chance. 15%! For 5 talent points! It isn't all that powerful in PvE, really. It's useful if you're healing and a silence/fear/stun hits, you *could* get a *lucky* resist. How many times per fight is a boss going to silence you do you think? 5, 6 times? and you'll resist this... once, on average, at the expense of 5 talent points.

Re: All 3 priests specs for WotLK.

Originally Posted by Calaba

Do you do anything outside of PvP?

It's a 15% resist chance. 15%! For 5 talent points! It isn't all that powerful in PvE, really. It's useful if you're healing and a silence/fear/stun hits, you *could* get a *lucky* resist. How many times per fight is a boss going to silence you do you think? 5, 6 times? and you'll resist this... once, on average, at the expense of 5 talent points.