Such absolute bullshiat. I hate the smell as well, but don't try and claim that exposure levels in the parts per billion will cause long term adverse affects in otherwise healthy people. The amount of enviromental pollutants with equal or greater concentrations must be in the thousands.

Not so CSB:Wife and I were at Cedar Point last summer. Stopped by one of the CLEARLY MARKED smoking areas, sat down and lit up. Guy next to me does the "cough cough" thing, shoots me a dirty look and storms off.

Smoking seems so anachronistic to me. It's just one of those things I associate with the 1950s.

We never see smokers in our area. And smoking is banned just about everywhere we go, including our university campus. However, during our recent visit to England, we saw smokers everywhere. It was really weird.

Not so CSB:Wife and I were at Cedar Point last summer. Stopped by one of the CLEARLY MARKED smoking areas, sat down and lit up. Guy next to me does the "cough cough" thing, shoots me a dirty look and storms off.

MagSeven:iheartscotch: Pretty soon there's gonna be a painted red square on the ground and that's where you'll have to smoke. But only one smoker at a time. And it costs $5 per visit.

And someone will still walk over to you in your square and pretend to cough.

Of course; it will be the sworn duty of anyone who sees someone standing in a red smoking square. How else will the smoker know how horrible, baby murdering, puppy kicking, and dumper of newborn kittens in a gunny sack into a river that they are?

Honestly surprised more complexes don't just put it in the lease that tenants can't smoke.

Fiancé was a leasing agent for a while... the amount of damage a smoker does to an apt in a year's time is astounding. Freshly painted walls are yellow and gummy; duct work, even after cleaning, is gummy and nasty and reeks of smoke; plastics throughout the apt need replacing; carpets and padding often need to be just torn out and replaced since cleanings don't always work, and so on and so on.

It got to the point where one particular apt had to be stripped down to studs because 2 years after the fact the place was still untenable because of two heavy smokers who lived there a couple years ago. They smoke so heavily that they stained the insulation and drywall opposite.

Meanwhile everyone living near a busy street is breathing fumes from exhaust and airborne road grime particles. This is the big conspiracy -- tobacco is an easy scapegoat to place blame for health problems actually caused by the automotive-oil-chemical cartel. Once tobacco is illegal and eradicated people will still be breathing the floating debris from millions of dirty vehicles kicking toxic dust into the atmosphere.

/ no one thinks about all of the fine road dust, road dust consisting of ALL the chemicals spilled upon said roads, that gets scattered into the air with every passing tire. I will probably be killed just for knowing about this and farking it to fark.

Until smoking is made illegal, then too bad for you non smokers. It's a legal item. But since the state and local governments love the tobacco taxes they collect, it'll be a cold day in hell when tobacco cigarretts are banned.

I'm supposed to step ten feet away from any residential or other unit at my apartment complex to smoke. I don't really get bothered by it, as I tend to be a courteous smoker anyway, asking others around me if they mind, even if legal. However, the state also made that the law for bars, among other places. A place near me is non-smoking indoors, but they created a heated, enclosed serving and dining area outside where smoking is invited. I miss complete choice, but I guess you gotta compromise from time to time.

British:BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.

This. Last I checked, drinking wasn't so great for you, but it seems favored upon on FARK.

The difference between alcohol and cigarettes is that alcohol, as horrible as its health consequences can potentially be, has largely reversible effects. A person can be an extreme alcoholic who drinks a fifth of vodka a day for years, but as long as he stops short of the point of actually causing irreversible damage (ie, cirrhosis or peripheral neuropathy), he can make the decision to quit drinking and, within 6 months to a year, his body can largely recover and return to its former state.

For smoking, on the other hand, literally every cigarette causes a little bit of irreversible lung damage that lasts a lifetime. A person who smokes and then quits will be better off than someone who continues to smoke but he will never be able to return to the same healthy state that someone who never smokes is at. This is why at clinic appointments, the doctor will never bother to ask you the total number of drinks you've ever had in your life but he/she WILL ask you to report the exact number of cigarettes you've ever smoked (they're called pack years).

/that and the fact that there's no such thing as "second hand drinking"//unless you count drunk driving but that's a whole nother can of worms

CrazyCurt:Meanwhile everyone living near a busy street is breathing fumes from exhaust and airborne road grime particles. This is the big conspiracy -- tobacco is an easy scapegoat to place blame for health problems actually caused by the automotive-oil-chemical cartel. Once tobacco is illegal and eradicated people will still be breathing the floating debris from millions of dirty vehicles kicking toxic dust into the atmosphere.

/ no one thinks about all of the fine road dust, road dust consisting of ALL the chemicals spilled upon said roads, that gets scattered into the air with every passing tire. I will probably be killed just for knowing about this and farking it to fark.

Vehicles serve a function in society; smoking doesn't. Furthermore, removing any harmful chemical from the equation is a step in the right direction--might as well start with the ones that are most easily removed, and the ones whose presence serves no purpose.

the_vegetarian_cannibal:For smoking, on the other hand, literally every cigarette causes a little bit of irreversible lung damage that lasts a lifetime

Remember when they thought nerve and neuron damage was irreversible, too? The lungs exist. They were formed once. That provides evidence that they can be re-formed. Maybe you don't know how to do it, but does that mean that it's impossible?

MurphyMurphy:But we can still smoke in the office, in airplanes and the movie theater, right?

I mean, as long as we don't go crazy with this whole thing...

Only non smokers know how bad the smell is, smokers want to act persecuted but even being around smokers puts off an odor. What I still find amazing is that smokers think they can mask the smell or that we can't tell they smell like an ashtray.

ShuyaNanahara:BlippityBleep: ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.

Other than life expectancy?

okay, but if somebody chooses to risk living a few years shorter then it's their own damn business imo. but really, look at a physically active person who quits smoking at some point compared to lots of nonsmokers out there and i'm sure the prior smoker would still live longer. i'd say a lifetime of junk food and inactivity are worse than smoking for a while, but nobody taxes the living shiat out of junk for some reason.

steamingpile:MurphyMurphy: But we can still smoke in the office, in airplanes and the movie theater, right?

I mean, as long as we don't go crazy with this whole thing...

Only non smokers know how bad the smell is, smokers want to act persecuted but even being around smokers puts off an odor. What I still find amazing is that smokers think they can mask the smell or that we can't tell they smell like an ashtray.

i find it amazing how much people gripe about cigarette smoke and completely gloss over other airborne contaminants that are way worse for you.

drewogatory:Such absolute bullshiat. I hate the smell as well, but don't try and claim that exposure levels in the parts per billion will cause long term adverse affects in otherwise healthy people. The amount of enviromental pollutants with equal or greater concentrations must be in the thousands.

This. I'd like to see the actual levels of actual harmful chemicals in adjoining units, compared with the PEL or TLV (the limit at which somebody can be exposed for a lifetime without PPE) for that substance. I'm betting none of the ones they detected exceed the limit, and I'd make a side bet that some of the detected compounds were from some other source (formaldehyde from chipboard furniture, etc).

I don't doubt that some smoke and smell gets through, what I do doubt is that it is enough to cause harm

That being said, if a landlord wants to ban it on their property, I'm good with that. Hell, the house I rent now, and the three places before that had no smoking clauses in the lease.

BlippityBleep:ZeroPly: Who the f*ck is stupid enough to still be smoking, yet smart enough to have any sort of opinion on a public health issue?

hate to burst your weird little bubble, but there are plenty of healthy smokers out there who could physically outperform you in any category.

You know one of the things I love about smokers as a medical student? Whenever an attending doctor tries to quiz one of us by asking us what is a major risk factor of "blah blah blah disease", we can respond with "smoking cigarettes" and it will almost always be a correct answer. Smoking is a risk factor for literally every major disease: COPD, diabetes, high blood pressure, heart attacks, strokes, cancers (and not just lung cancer), etc., etc.

buzzcut73:drewogatory: Such absolute bullshiat. I hate the smell as well, but don't try and claim that exposure levels in the parts per billion will cause long term adverse affects in otherwise healthy people. The amount of enviromental pollutants with equal or greater concentrations must be in the thousands.

This. I'd like to see the actual levels of actual harmful chemicals in adjoining units, compared with the PEL or TLV (the limit at which somebody can be exposed for a lifetime without PPE) for that substance. I'm betting none of the ones they detected exceed the limit, and I'd make a side bet that some of the detected compounds were from some other source (formaldehyde from chipboard furniture, etc).

I don't doubt that some smoke and smell gets through, what I do doubt is that it is enough to cause harm

That being said, if a landlord wants to ban it on their property, I'm good with that. Hell, the house I rent now, and the three places before that had no smoking clauses in the lease.

/Nonsmoker these days//Yay E-Cig

they should ban alcohol in apartments too while they're at it. dang loud people and their drunken orgies!