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Subramanian,mAnikkavachakar's tiruvembAvai is indeed wonderful,as they express hymns of Peak devotion and jnAna.Yet AndAl's TiruppAvai is not just a வழிபாட்டு நூல்(Hymns) but also more imporatntly a வழிகாட்டு நூல்(Scripture)wherein AnDAL has clearly delineated the step by step method of Deliverance.This is the Reason that in the whole of Divya prabhandham(with 4000verses),it occupies a unique place and revered and accepted as such.Master TGN with a penetrating insight brings out this aspect in his talks spread over 45 days:He has categorized and grouped the 30 verses as follows:Verses 1-5:உய்வதற்கான மார்க்கம் (Path to Salvation)Verses 6-15:உறங்கியது போதாதோ!(Emerge out of Slumber!)verses 16-20:தட்டுங்கள் திறக்கப்படும் (Knock and it shall be Opened)Verses 21-30:வேண்டியதைப் பெறலாம்(Achieve all your desires)

TGN has said that in these 30 verses ANDAL has given the approach,the method and tools ,and all that is needed for a seeker.He has wonderfully brought all these aspects and has invoked the Benign presence of ANDAL to guide the seeker through this wonderful poem that he spontaneously composed:

வளந்தரும் ஆற்றலாம் வானத்தின் நீலம்

அளப்பரிய ஆற்றலது ஆண்டாள்-களமமைத்து

ஆண்டகதை யான்சொல்ல ஆர்வமொடு தான்கேட்டோர்

ஈண்டடைவர் மெய்யாம் இனிமை.

The prowess it is that yields plenitude and prosperity

vast as the infinite blue as the sky-Such is Andal’s field of spiritual energy

Where can I get Sage TGN's Andal Thiruppavai CD/BOOKs ? Few weeks back You sent me a link to his site and there is his house address is given in Anna Nagar .Should I get it there or can I can it at other places in Chennai ?

Has he given a talk on Thiruvenbavai?

I intend to listen to learn and listen to both these during the Margazhi time .

Om Peace .

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However many holy words you read, however many you speak, what good will they do you if you do not act on upon them? - Buddha

Atmavichar,Yes,you can buy them in that address.No,they will not be available at any other place.I need to inform you that you may find the CDs expensive.There is a valid reason why it is so.I suggest that you may visit the place one sunday and listen to the talk(Recorded)by TGN;you may also get to see him and hear his preamble.I think currently the talks on Tirukkural are on,and all are welcome.I suggest that you listen to his talk and see if you are interested;He will speak quite fast and it may take a while to get tuned to him.This is deliberate on his part,and designed so that the mind of the listener is under pressure to listen more keenly and not go on its own errands!Once this is learned,it will be quite a purposeful sadhana.The Other thing that I need to inform you is that it will be more like a html type of a presentation,with many threads of thought and people who are used to a linear presentation may find it distracting until they get used to it.If you need it for listening,I will lend you my copy of AndAl's TiruppAvai.You may listen and return it to me.I lend it to others for listening.Master has permitted this,and at the same time it is expected that unauthorised copies are not made.This is purely a matter of self discipline.If you find it useful,then you may decide to buy it;then we would realize that all the money in this world is not enough to get this treasure!It is truly priceless.Otherwise,if someone says that the set of CDs cost RS10,000 or so,one would be put off or wonder why it should be so expensive,etc.Then they will start doubting whether TGN is avaricious!He lives a simple life and is taken care of by two sisters who have dedicated themselves to this work and in his service.They are wonderful people.You may contact me on this mail id:niveditahr@rediffmail.com

Atmavichar,TGN has not given any talk on TiruvempAvai.You may visit tgn foundation.org and have a look in the audio section to have a feel of TGN's range of Talks-truly universal and vast pallette.Namaskar.

Thank for your explanation as between Tiruvembavai and Tiruppavai. Apart from what you have stated, Andal was herself a girland to seek Narayana as her husband (she did it in fact), Manikkavachagar was a male and bring about Nayaki - Nayaka bhavamis more difficult for a male. You may say all jivas are females and God is the only male. (purushtottaman). But still on daily life,I consider, it was a more difficult for a male devotee to pursue spiritual union with God treating Him as his (her) lover. This is moreevident in Tiru Chitrambala Kovaiyar. It is said about Sri Ramakrishna that when he had the bhava of Hanuman praying to Rama,he had even a small tail grown on his back and when he prayed to God in Nayaki bhava, he had even mensuration. I am not surethese stories are true but I have heard them somewhere.

Yes,you can buy them in that address.No,they will not be available at any other place.I need to inform you that you may find the CDs expensive.There is a valid reason why it is so.I suggest that you may visit the place one sunday and listen to the talk(Recorded)by TGN;you may also get to see him and hear his preamble.I think currently the talks on Tirukkural are on,and all are welcome.I suggest that you listen to his talk and see if you are interested;He will speak quite fast and it may take a while to get tuned to him.This is deliberate on his part,and designed so that the mind of the listener is under pressure to listen more keenly and not go on its own errands!Once this is learned,it will be quite a purposeful sadhana.The Other thing that I need to inform you is that it will be more like a html type of a presentation,with many threads of thought and people who are used to a linear presentation may find it distracting until they get used to it.

If you need it for listening,I will lend you my copy of AndAl's TiruppAvai.You may listen and return it to me.I lend it to others for listening.Master has permitted this,and at the same time it is expected that unauthorised copies are not made.This is purely a matter of self discipline.If you find it useful,then you may decide to buy it;then we would realize that all the money in this world is not enough to get this treasure!It is truly priceless.

Otherwise,if someone says that the set of CDs cost RS10,000 or so,one would be put off or wonder why it should be so expensive,etc.Then they will start doubting whether TGN is avaricious!He lives a simple life and is taken care of by two sisters who have dedicated themselves to this work and in his service.They are wonderful people.

Sri Ravi,

This in essence is, all about initiation, the importance, the value is commitment. Otherwise, we not really care much if there is no fear, respect, discipline, responsibility to oneself. i (pray) hope to get opportunity to visit chennai soon, and desire to visit His place, Bhagavan willing!

Thanks for bringing in occasionally the wonderful insights of Master TGN, it is deeply penetrating!

Subramanian,What you have heard about sri Ramakrishna is indeed true!As for ANDAL,there is absolutely no nAyaki-nAyaka bhava in andAl's tiruppAvai.TGN clearly brings this aspect.It is only in nAchchiar tirumozhi that ANDAL expresses nayaka-nayaki bhava,and her varanam Ayiram is one of the very first dream sequences where she dreams that she is married to lord Ranga mannAr.In TiruppAvai,she leads not just those ayarpAdi sirumigaL(girls),but calls upon the whole of humanity(vaiyaththu vaazhveergAl-and here TGN beautifully points out that this is a call that is timeless,it is meant for people in the past,present and all those to come in the Future as well).In TiruppAvai,ANDAL has ensured that her satsangha is available for all seekers.Truly a sublime and dazzling work,and TGN brings out so wonderfully how as a model teacher ANDAL carries everyone,be he a beginner or advanced aspirant,all together and inspires everyone that the Goal is within the reach of everyone and how not just the Goal but the path is sweet as well.She has so beautifully charted this out that she begins it by saying nei uNNOM pAl uNNOM(we will discard pleasures that come through taste),myittu nAm mudiyOm(pleasures that come thgrough sight) and towards the end she is saying AADAI UDUPPOM(dress ourself),and Muzhangai vazhiyAAra ...unBOM(we shall eat and taste) that in the sense of Total freedom ,enjoy this Living here and hereafter.Absolutely a charming journey, where the sou is wonderfully lead in a sweet and joyous way,l ends up revelling in parabhakti right here and now.Namaskar.

Nagaraj,Quite true and you have simply understood the nature of discipline,as any genuine seeker would.I will be too happy to take you and introduce you to TGN.TGN is utterly simple and unassuming and does not expect or permit any formalities like namaskaram,garland,etc.He treats others as equal even though he should be in his late seventies.Truly a Great soul.Namaskar.

Shouted, "Dad, look the trees are going behind!".Dad smiled and a young Couple sitting nearby, looked at the 24 year Old's Childish behavior with Pity.

Suddenly he again Exclaimed. "Dad look the clouds are running with Us!" .The couple couldn't resist & said to the old Man. "why don't you take your Son to a good Doctor?"The Old man smiled & Said "I did and we are just coming from the hospital, my son was blind from birth, he just got his eyes today."

Your eyes, so full of life,Force me to keep on living.Even the seas are thirstingTo get a drink from (the essence) your form.

How can anyone paint your picture?Or write a poem on you?Colours and words are not enough,To capture so much beauty.You are the heart-beat for my heart.You are the life that helps me live.

The scent of a blooming garden is in your breath,The softness of lotuses is in your arms.The brightness of sunrays on your face,You are as graceful as the deer.Your scarf has enough threadsto stitch up any torn heart.

I will be too happy to take you and introduce you to TGN.TGN is utterly simple and unassuming and does not expect or permit any formalities like namaskaram,garland,etc.He treats others as equal even though he should be in his late seventies.Truly a Great soul.

Thank you Sri Ravi, Bhagavan willing... would be very happy and glad to meet you as well!

" In your metaphysics you have denied personality to the Deity: yet when the devout motions of the soul come, yield to them heart and life, though they should clothe God with shape and color. Leave your theory, as Joseph his coat in the hand of the harlot, and flee."

at some point we have to undress our mind, what cease drom worrying what others may think, etc.. and heed to the heart...

Dear Sri Nagaraj,

I love this thought. And i cannot agree more! To live our mind aside,and jump without a cord... That thought alone is what make me feel so free... It is unbelieveble feeling,a wonder. Truly inspirational...Thank You!