RedPhoenix122:Weaver95: somedude210: Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.

There have also been some GOPers admitting they lost.

I'd be more impressed if they admit they lost and accept that this isn't the way to go

I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?

"Don't retreat, reload!"

More like, "the got-damn liberal media didn't tell the American people that it was the Tea Party that was standing up to the Demoncrats and RINOs!"

Yes. They actually said that. That the Tea Party was the only group capable of standing up to powerful, monied corporate interests. The group bankrolled by Adelson and the Kochs.

The only time the tea party stood up to big business was to ask what their agenda would be.

Regardless of political ideology, there is a segment of humanity that believes strong feeling is an acceptable substitute for logic, reason, hard work, planning, etc. If you feel something very strongly, and act according to those strong feelings, then you will be vindicated. The Tea Party, which draws heavily from a fundamentalist Christian base, has become a cluster of those sorts of people. They feel strongly about their ideology, and nothing- not reasoned argument, practical compromise, nor reality- will sway them.

When they inevitably are confronted by reality, the response is always the same: someone they thought was an ally did not have a strong enough feeling. So you need to reject those who are weak of faith, and further, you must become all the more fervent in your faith. Strength of belief is all that matters.

Aldon:The country lost 24 billion +The GOP lost a lot of chips with the American public (the sane ones).The tea party has been marginalized, their last "victory" was the elections of 2010.

Frankly President Obama won. He stayed tough yet presidential and the GOP underestimated him again. Just like they cannot understand all of Obama's gains in worldwide diplomacy without invading or bombing every country as his first move. Obama wins against the shortsighted thinkers again. He might even whip the tea party up in so much of a tizzy that they implode.

Obama might have won this, but as has been pointed out further up in the thread, America as a whole lost anyway. The fact that this fight took place was already a big loss for the country.

You can arguably exclude Idaho (not a state) and Kansas, which was barely a state in 1861 and was in many ways a proxy war state between the two sides. Arizona was under confederate control. That leaves 7 of the 30 remaining Tea Party crazies who weren't from secessionist states.

The derp is strong there.

Kentucky/Missouri were also pretty much split between Union/Confederacy. You want to exclude Kansas, you should exclude those two as well.

And yet both states declared for the confederacy. No state was unanimous.

Smoking GNU:Aldon: The country lost 24 billion +The GOP lost a lot of chips with the American public (the sane ones).The tea party has been marginalized, their last "victory" was the elections of 2010.

Frankly President Obama won. He stayed tough yet presidential and the GOP underestimated him again. Just like they cannot understand all of Obama's gains in worldwide diplomacy without invading or bombing every country as his first move. Obama wins against the shortsighted thinkers again. He might even whip the tea party up in so much of a tizzy that they implode.

Obama might have won this, but as has been pointed out further up in the thread, America as a whole lost anyway. The fact that this fight took place was already a big loss for the country.

If by lost you mean set the Teatards up to try this winning strategy again in a few months so the public gets a reminder of just how irrational these chucklefarks are, then yes he lost.

ShadowKamui:somedude210: Weaver95: I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?

how do you go further right than "actively trying to disassemble the government"?

Hugo Boss uniforms

At least the Nazis had style; they knew how to intimidate. When someone wearing a bad colonial costume with teabags hanging off it bangs on your door in the middle of the night, "shiat your pants in terror" will probably not be your first reaction.

ArkPanda:ShadowKamui: somedude210: Weaver95: I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?

how do you go further right than "actively trying to disassemble the government"?

Hugo Boss uniforms

At least the Nazis had style; they knew how to intimidate. When someone wearing a bad colonial costume with teabags hanging off it bangs on your door in the middle of the night, "shiat your pants in terror" will probably not be your first reaction.

My first reaction is, "so let's see if these Stand Your Ground laws are as good as the conservatives say they are"

I've become known for shooting down the stupid things my friends post on Facebook. It takes way too much of my time.

My wife's family is all from TN. Miraculously, her immediate family are all fairly moderate. Her extended family starts to get a bit conservative, but we don't interact with them more than once on rare occasion, and usually we spend time catching up instead of discussing politics.

Heliovdrake:Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism, and thats what we saw last night. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld P.retenders. Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

/What do you think? I'm trying to pander better to the GOP, I want to start a blog and sell merch on it to the rubes, this is my first real go at pandering to them. Do I have enough vitrol, or should I crank up the hate, or subtle racism?

I think you should pepper it with obscure homo-erotic euphemisms. Oh, and rape references. That's pretty much all you're missing.

The GOP/Teabaggers are a football team that just decided to punt on first & goal. And now they're high-fiving each other for their brilliant tactic.

That is a terrible analogy. So by your logic, destroying the US and world economy is now considered the equivalent of "touchdown"?

I don't think that. The teabaggers think that defunding Obamacare is a TD. Get it? They had this big goal of somehow defunding or repealing Obamacare, which was a stupid goal. But their tactics were even more idiotic. They failed to accomplish their goal, they got a worse deal than what they would have gotten if they'd just accepted the Senate's CR back in September, they increased the federal debt (that thing they claim to care SO MUCH about) unnecessarily by $24 billion, AND on top of all of that everyone hates them.

Granted, I'm not sure where destroying the economy falls in a football analogy. Maybe they have the ball at 1st and goal, but they've threatened to dynamite the whole stadium and everyone in it, including themselves and their own fans, if they don't score their TD. But instead of running plays, they let the play clock wind down and get called for delay of game penalties and they finally punt, and Obama returns it 100 yards for the TD.

Is that better? Maybe there isn't a good sports analogy here, but it made sense to me at the time.

Weaver95:somedude210: Weaver95: I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.

There have also been some GOPers admitting they lost.

I'd be more impressed if they admit they lost and accept that this isn't the way to go

I guess we wait and see. I wonder if they'll conclude they weren't conservative enough and should move more to the right?

That was up running on the FR literally minutes after the announcement. I checked.

Prime:I'm going to go with America lost. We will recover, but there will be some long-term repercussions.The massive trashing of the GOP and tea party brands will be a plus. I wonder what they'll rename themselves.

Heliovdrake:Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism, and thats what we saw last night. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld P.retenders. Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

/What do you think? I'm trying to pander better to the GOP, I want to start a blog and sell merch on it to the rubes, this is my first real go at pandering to them. Do I have enough vitrol, or should I crank up the hate, or subtle racism?

cubic_spleen:What's utterly laughable is that anyone thinks the area to the Right of the GOP is still within 'Conservative' territory.

According to the modern GOP:

Franco: Too tolerant of dissent.Hitler: Soft on immigration. Also, a socialist.Stalin: Soft on crime, esp. ones like "reading". Also, a commie.Bush: Libbiest lib that ever soshalizmed. Either 1 or 2, doesn't matter.Reagan: Only Real American President evar. Never compromised, never raised taxes, never tolerated immigrants, never surrendered!

Ambivalence:Heliovdrake: Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism, and thats what we saw last night. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld P.retenders. Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

/What do you think? I'm trying to pander better to the GOP, I want to start a blog and sell merch on it to the rubes, this is my first real go at pandering to them. Do I have enough vitrol, or should I crank up the hate, or subtle racism?

I think you should pepper it with obscure homo-erotic euphemisms. Oh, and rape references. That's pretty much all you're missing.

As a woman, I'd like to suggest some reference to abortion/baby killing.

Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

He caused the shutdown to save his job, but if you think a US politician's salary is their primary benefit, you've been living under a rock for too long.

He still gets to be a senator if h eloses the speakership

I meant what I said. His job was on the line, not just his speakership. Hell, considering how he ended up siding with Democrats to crush the TP part of the House, his job may STILL be on the line unless he ups his DERP at the next round of this bullshiat in jan/feb 14.

A) "I think the sequester happens and it will be in some ways a yawn."B) "I think it's really sad to see the president of the United States exploiting the murder of children and using it to push his own extreme anti-gun agenda."C) "I'll work with Martians."D) "I'm pretty certain Mitt Romney actually French-kissed Barack Obama."

Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

He caused the shutdown to save his job, but if you think a US politician's salary is their primary benefit, you've been living under a rock for too long.

He still gets to be a senator if h eloses the speakership

I meant what I said. His job was on the line, not just his speakership. Hell, considering how he ended up siding with Democrats to crush the TP part of the House, his job may STILL be on the line unless he ups his DERP at the next round of this bullshiat in jan/feb 14.

Which one, this job or the job awaiting him as a consultant at a top lobbying firm when he finally does leave?

Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

He caused the shutdown to save his job, but if you think a US politician's salary is their primary benefit, you've been living under a rock for too long.

He still gets to be a senator if h eloses the speakership

I meant what I said. His job was on the line, not just his speakership. Hell, considering how he ended up siding with Democrats to crush the TP part of the House, his job may STILL be on the line unless he ups his DERP at the next round of this bullshiat in jan/feb 14.

Which one, this job or the job awaiting him as a consultant at a top lobbying firm when he finally does leave?

Who would want Boehner as a lobbyist? He's gotten absolutely nothing of consequence done during his tenure as speaker, unless you count presiding over and losing two debt-limit fights.

urbangirl:Ambivalence: Heliovdrake: Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism, and thats what we saw last night. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld P.retenders. Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

/What do you think? I'm trying to pander better to the GOP, I want to start a blog and sell merch on it to the rubes, this is my first real go at pandering to them. Do I have enough vitrol, or should I crank up the hate, or subtle racism?

I think you should pepper it with obscure homo-erotic euphemisms. Oh, and rape references. That's pretty much all you're missing.

As a woman, I'd like to suggest some reference to abortion/baby killing.

Continue to keep on trying to force Reality to conform to your bass-ackwards way of "thinking", rightards. It only reminds all the sane people why you're unfit to be in public, let alone holding office.

Ambivalence:Heliovdrake: Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism, and thats what we saw last night. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld P.retenders. Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

/What do you think? I'm trying to pander better to the GOP, I want to start a blog and sell merch on it to the rubes, this is my first real go at pandering to them. Do I have enough vitrol, or should I crank up the hate, or subtle racism?

I think you should pepper it with obscure homo-erotic euphemisms. Oh, and rape references. That's pretty much all you're missing.

Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism. We as a nation dropped the soap in the PRISON showers that is the halls of congress, by electing the RINO's thats what we saw last night. They took our nation away from us, against our will. The will of the people Said no, but the traitor RINO's said YES. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld P.retenders have sold themselves into SLAVERY to OBAMA. Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

Regardless of political ideology, there is a segment of humanity that believes strong feeling is an acceptable substitute for logic, reason, hard work, planning, etc. If you feel something very strongly, and act according to those strong feelings, then you will be vindicated. The Tea Party, which draws heavily from a fundamentalist Christian base, has become a cluster of those sorts of people. They feel strongly about their ideology, and nothing- not reasoned argument, practical compromise, nor reality- will sway them.

When they inevitably are confronted by reality, the response is always the same: someone they thought was an ally did not have a strong enough feeling. So you need to reject those who are weak of faith, and further, you must become all the more fervent in your faith. Strength of belief is all that matters.

I do agree with you - I've seen it often enough. Faith has no place in government. The less empirical they get, the more bizarre the results, and I've yet to see an emotionally-driven policy produce rational results. I don't care how much these assholes clapped, Tink was always going to die.

Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

Boehner spent $24B of our money to save his $49k a year speakership salary premium

He caused the shutdown to save his job, but if you think a US politician's salary is their primary benefit, you've been living under a rock for too long.

He still gets to be a senator if h eloses the speakership

I meant what I said. His job was on the line, not just his speakership. Hell, considering how he ended up siding with Democrats to crush the TP part of the House, his job may STILL be on the line unless he ups his DERP at the next round of this bullshiat in jan/feb 14.

Which one, this job or the job awaiting him as a consultant at a top lobbying firm when he finally does leave?

I generally assume they go hand in hand...that he sort of accumulates chips for sending pork to industry friends, then when he leaves, cashes them in for the rest of his life. I figure it's an ongoing process, not an "i got to the Speakership, now I'm done" process.

Heliovdrake:Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism, and thats what we saw last night. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld P.retenders. Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

/What do you think? I'm trying to pander better to the GOP, I want to start a blog and sell merch on it to the rubes, this is my first real go at pandering to them. Do I have enough vitrol, or should I crank up the hate, or subtle racism?

That's good enough to win damn near any election in Tex-ass.

You could crank up the hate and racism but, by simply being a Repugnican, you've already got those voters.

Weaver95:I think the first hurdle the GOP faces is admitting that they lost in the shutdown fight in the first place. I've seen plenty of republicans who are convinced that the shutdown was a win for their party.

That's not the impression I got from reading last night's posts on John Boehner's FB page.

born_yesterday:cubic_spleen: What's utterly laughable is that anyone thinks the area to the Right of the GOP is still within 'Conservative' territory.

According to the modern GOP:

Franco: Too tolerant of dissent.Hitler: Soft on immigration. Also, a socialist.Stalin: Soft on crime, esp. ones like "reading". Also, a commie.Bush: Libbiest lib that ever soshalizmed. Either 1 or 2, doesn't matter.Reagan: Only Real American President evar. Never compromised, never raised taxes, never tolerated immigrants, never surrendered!

You forgot to mention how much Mussolini liked socialist mass transport (i.e. trains).

Heliovdrake:Conservatism cant fail you, only YOU can fail conservaism, and thats what we saw last night. We need to distance ourselves from the RINO SCUM who voted with the socialist democrats, Rush and Glenn already get it, they know the majority of the G.odless O.ld P.retenders. Now is the time, rally our troops and kick out the GOP in 2014! Patch up as many holes as we can in the USS USA by blocking anything the dictator in chief wants until 2016 when we can get our MAN into office, I feel bad for the mess he'll have to deal with, and Im sure the smell will never come out of the carpet in the oval office!

/What do you think? I'm trying to pander better to the GOP, I want to start a blog and sell merch on it to the rubes, this is my first real go at pandering to them. Do I have enough vitrol, or should I crank up the hate, or subtle racism?

For one thing, there is the issue of your spelling. It's as if you used a spellchecker. That's a dead giveaway.