besides us hitting for random numbers unless were in full 359 gear..... the shit goes on and on if you play a pally you should know how random it is yourself. my dps varies from 4k-13k that shit is to unreliable. and yes i am hit and expertise cap and yes i do have a fair rotation.

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Originally Posted by Ghostcrawler

If you are trying to AE tank and a bad dps is attacking the wrong target and dies, we call that justice.

Blizzard: Ring of Frost has a 1.5 second cast time, oh and Spellsteal has a 6 second cooldown.
Mages: WHAT THE FUCK BLIZZARD? YOU GUYS SUCK THAT SHIT ISN'T NEEDED YOU FUCKING HATE MAGES.
Blizzard: Ring of Frost no longer has a cast time, and Spellsteal no longer has a cooldown.

Do the math. Ring of frost is an entirely avoidable cc unless you use a cc to force people into it. With a 1.5 second cast time, and a 3 second activation time, deep freeze and dragon's breathing people in the ring is dead. They would have .5 seconds to get out.

Spellsteal will cost 7k mana. Most classes have tons of garbage buffs that get stolen before the one that you actually want to dispel.

Blizzard: Ring of Frost has a 1.5 second cast time, oh and Spellsteal has a 6 second cooldown.
Mages: WHAT THE FUCK BLIZZARD? YOU GUYS SUCK THAT SHIT ISN'T NEEDED YOU FUCKING HATE MAGES.
Blizzard: Ring of Frost no longer has a cast time, and Spellsteal no longer has a cooldown.

again how does that make mages op. you quote me then say nothing about what i asked.

Do the math. Ring of frost is an entirely avoidable cc unless you use a cc to force people into it. With a 1.5 second cast time, and a 3 second activation time, deep freeze and dragon's breathing people in the ring is dead. They would have .5 seconds to get out.

Spellsteal will cost 7k mana. Most classes have tons of garbage buffs that get stolen before the one that you actually want to dispel.

Get Challenger and we'll talk.

Originally Posted by rhomi

again how does that make mages op. you quote me then say nothing about what i asked.

This, very much so. If you think blizz favors any class, TRY THAT CLASS. Once you realize how wrong you are, come back and post. Every class has a counter. I've played a bit of each class, in most environments, they all have strengths and weaknesses.

Not sure how you are approaching this, a general QQ thread about someone else being stronger than you pvp wise, or why some other guy is ripping you apart in the dps meters, or what. Then again, you could just be asking so you can play that class. Mages, shadow priests, hunters are pretty solid right now (range is king atm). But the truth comes from who is setting behind the keyboard, not what class they happen to be playing.

then say something other then we are op, all i hear is a bunch of nothing. what makes us op. not 1 person in 3 pages has listed anything that makes us op just a bunch of whining about something that nobody has shown.

The title is innacurate, as Blizz doesn't "favor" any particular class. Certain classes will do well for a long time, and people will take this as favoritism. In reality, classes stay powerful because Blizz can't find a good way to weaken one aspect of their fighting style without making others weak. Frost Mages do very well in PvP, but they are quite weak in a raiding scenario. This a problem, and puts Mages in a good position while Blizz tries to rework them to be viable in both settings.

No class is "favored", but certain classes ARE generally better off than others. Mages (mainly Frost) have been extremely powerful in PvP (at least, 1v1 and low-level Arena), as opposed to someone like Priests, who have been in an 'eh' position. Warriors and Frost DKs are also in a good place, and while Hunters are weak in Arena, they are great in BGs.

If you were to change the title of the thread to "Which class has been strongest in Cata?", than it would be Mages.

then say something other then we are op, all i hear is a bunch of nothing. what makes us op. not 1 person in 3 pages has listed anything that makes us op just a bunch of whining about something that nobody has shown.

But Frost DKs? I don't even understand the nerfs, I play 1900+ arena, I can 1v1 most people, but that doesn't mean I'm OP. 2v2 and you're not beating a Frost DK? You're doing it wrong. Frost DKs aren't actually that powerful compared to other classes, and yet we see even more nerfs, clearly the problem is that so much seems to be based on lower ratings, but when you get to 2500+ and people can play their class. Welp, it balances out better up there.