I LOVE this program (I obviously mean V/M)! It's really something NEW! Low score, but I expected it: the judges don't like this program, it's strange, you either hate or love it, I'm surely in the second group All I can say about I/K score: , but, guys, think that we are in Russia: they gave 72 to V/T with three falls!!

Yes, loved V/M program as did the Russian audience but because it's so incredibly difficult & risky, it will take time to smooth things out. I heard the Canadian commentator Tracy Wilson say that they (the judges) often don't know what to do with V/M material or how to judge it properly. It should have received a 106. But by Worlds it will be a 112+.

Okay, I quite like I/K's program — as in the movement and performance and theme. I hated the dialogue. I found it terribly distracting. When the talking started I found myself forgetting to watch I/K because I was trying to follow the scene on the soundtrack. Obviously that's a problem for a dance.

I like the Shibutanis' new FD. Much more memorable than last year. Will be interesting to see it later in the season.

Virtue and Moir's FD is looking better and better. I adore this program. Still some places where you can see it needs miles to smooth it out, which I actually like, because it means they're really pushing themselves and the scores will only grow. One part I think looked particularly rough still was the final lift where she's standing on his thighs...getting in and out of it is not quick and smooth enough yet. But I thought the lift where she flips up to sit on his shoulders then down already looked much improved from Skate Canada. I'm just so excited about this program.

I heard the Canadian commentator Tracy Wilson say that they (the judges) often don't know what to do with V/M material or how to judge it properly.

V/M have scored 112 points in a FD before,they're Olympic and two time world champions, the judges know exactly what to do with their programs. Perhaps the judges just weren't as impressed with it as everyone else seems to be.

V/M have scored 112 points in a FD before,they're Olympic and two time world champions, the judges know exactly what to do with their programs. Perhaps the judges just weren't as impressed with it as everyone else seems to be.

You see, I think the judges are impressed - those PCS are quite strong. But the program isn't at the "lets throw +3s at it" stage yet. I think Tracy is just an uber and/or politicking (though I'm a uber too, so grain of salt time)

You see, I think the judges are impressed - those PCS are quite strong. But the program isn't at the "lets throw +3s at it" stage yet. I think Tracy is just an uber and/or politicking (though I'm a uber too, so grain of salt time)

I agree. Their PCS is where it should be and judges do seem to like it. Tracy's comment is just an example of national politicking -- V/M's program is so beyond every other team's that judges don't know what to do with it. Actually, they do because V/M is already receiving sky high PCS.

When I read this thread I expected better FD from Shibutani's. I always liked their lifts but now they are looking ordinary. Look at V&M's lifts. Going with music and character of the dance. For me Shibutani's dance will not challange P&B, W/P, B&S and C&L.

Yes, loved V/M program as did the Russian audience but because it's so incredibly difficult & risky, it will take time to smooth things out. I heard the Canadian commentator Tracy Wilson say that they (the judges) often don't know what to do with V/M material or how to judge it properly. It should have received a 106. But by Worlds it will be a 112+.

I hope!! But I don't think the judges underscored them, there were little mistakes, and the speed, the unison, the passion could be better... This program can grow, it has room to become the best Carmen on ice ever, it deserved 103, I understand it! The fact that it's so difficult and risky makes it so difficult to perform it well... It's just their second competition this season, let's wait and the 110s will come!