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Wow ChyrenB, you are bitter. The question was just asked to provoke thought. Like what a GM would be doing. I am one who hates it every time a team trades with New England on draft day, because NE always gets the better deal.

The whole idea of the trade is that is one extremely talented player more valuable that four very talented players.

The poll was attached for fun. Why tell people not to take it.

I just was wondering out loud if it was better to restock players or to get one good player.

Here's another fact for everyone, do you realize the Miami miracle cost us 350 value points on the draft chart, equivalent to the #55 pick (23rd pick of second round)

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> It is clear that the overwhelming majority of you
> guys agree with Treasure that the guys in the
> first round are NO MORE TALENTED than the guys in
> the 3rd or even 4th rounds.

So what!? When everybody on this board said that moving up for Dion Jordon was a great move I defended why he should be traded while he still had value.

Why do you care so much what a group thinks? You always start new polls trying to gather group hierarchy like it would ever change my mind. You are all about draft day 1. You believe it makes or breaks a team. OK. You dead ass wrong but you believe brother. My Favorite Miami Dolphin was had in the 5th round. Cameron Wake never even got drafted. He was banished to Canada before summoned by the Tuna. Dan Marino was practically a second rounder. Jason Taylor a third.

This was just for fun......a Pre draft what if that will probably never happen. Although Astro34 makes a good point...this is Coach Flores old Team.........

Next year we get a roof and despite the shade.......a lot more sunshine blown up our asses!!!!

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> astro34 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Wow ChyrenB, you are bitter.
>
> RESPONSE: No. Treasure and I have long time back
> and forth over this.
>
> The question was
> > just asked to provoke thought. Like what a GM
> > would be doing. I am one who hates it every
> time
> > a team trades with New England on draft day,
> > because NE always gets the better deal.
>
> RESPONSE: Which is why I said Hell No adding only
> the fact tbar ALSO our people are idiots.
> >
> > The whole idea of the trade is that is one
> > extremely talented player more valuable
> thafour
> > very talented players.
>
> RESPONSE: Is there a word missing here. Did I do
> it by quoting you?
> >
> > The poll was attached for fun. Why tell people
> > not to take it.
> > RESPONSE: I'm sorry. I did not mean to do
> that.
>
> > I just was wondering out loud if it was better
> to
> > restock players or to get one good player.
> >
> > Here's another fact for everyone, do you
> realize
> > the Miami miracle cost us 350 value points on
> the
> > draft chart, equivalent to the #55 pick (23rd
> pick
> > of second round)

And Astro, if I AM bitter, here is why. Bob Greise left Purdue in Msy of 1967 to come to the Dolphins. I left Purdue at the same time and have been a Dolphin fan ever since.

I remember getting new life when Dan Marino came here. Treasure, on the other hand insults Marino by keeping bringing up the fact that Marino never won a Super Bowl. The only Miami QB he respects was Ryan Tannehill.

Do you feel the same way?? That is the ONLY thing I have disagreed with him on. He is SO upset Tanny is gone.

We might want to look at someone else with the 73rd pick, and Adderley’s selection might be overkill at the safety position, but that quartet could be useful for the rebuild. Ok we’d likely give the Patriots their Gronk replacement with Hockenson, but as long as they weren’t moving up with us to get Brady’s replacement (eg Haskins, Lock) then I wouldn’t mind.

With that said, I do like our options at 13, so while this draft haul is nice, it’s hard to discount the value of someone like Jonah Williams or Brian Burns coming here.

ChyrenB.... Dan Marino never won a super bowl because his defense was bad. If he played for San Francisco at that time they would have won eight super bowls. He is hands down the best QB ever. Greise was also a great QB in that he got the most out of his players around him, lets not forget they did have the #1 defense in the league in our undefeated year.

With respect to the upcoming draft. If there is someone we really love at #13 then take him. If not get out of that spot and get a haul like I proposed. Rebuild the offensive and defensive lines with those picks. Take Tyree Jackson in the mid-rounds and maybe the kid from North Dakota state, Easton Stick, in the 7th or free agent.

If we rebuild the trenches this year we won't win much. Then next year take Justin Herbert with the #1 pick. He reminds me of Marino.

ChyrenB Wrote:
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> And Astro, if I AM bitter, here is why. Bob
> Greise left Purdue in Msy of 1967 to come to the
> Dolphins. I left Purdue at the same time and have
> been a Dolphin fan ever since.
>
> I remember getting new life when Dan Marino came
> here. Treasure, on the other hand insults Marino
> by keeping bringing up the fact that Marino never
> won a Super Bowl. The only Miami QB he respects
> was Ryan Tannehill.
>
> Do you feel the same way?? That is the ONLY thing
> I have disagreed with him on. He is SO upset
> Tanny is gone.

Wow you are reaching. Is that what you get out of my Marino comparisons? It's TRUE the ignorant only see what they want to see.

Disrespect Marino? I've met him. I have a small shrine to him in my den. MY FIRST SON IS NAMED AFTER HIM.

My point.....and I think you know it......but refuse to see it.....is you keep claiming the QB is everything. You want to sell our future for a first round back. And it HAS to be a first rounder.

What did that get us for 17 yrs?
THAT THE POINT. You see it, but refuse to acknowledge it. Tanny might not have been half the QB 13 was.....not many are.....but he had plenty to win it all with the right coaching and players to support him.

Dan Marino is gone. You will never see that again. You need to move on. You keep comparing every QB we get to him your never going to be happy.

Man I thought you were smarter then this.

Next year we get a roof and despite the shade.......a lot more sunshine blown up our asses!!!!

astro34 Wrote:
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> ChyrenB.... Dan Marino never won a super bowl
> because his defense was bad. If he played for San
> Francisco at that time they would have won eight
> super bowls. He is hands down the best QB ever.
> Greise was also a great QB in that he got the most
> out of his players around him, lets not forget
> they did have the #1 defense in the league in our
> undefeated year.
>
> With respect to the upcoming draft. If there is
> someone we really love at #13 then take him. If
> not get out of that spot and get a haul like I
> proposed. Rebuild the offensive and defensive
> lines with those picks. Take Tyree Jackson in the
> mid-rounds and maybe the kid from North Dakota
> state, Easton Stick, in the 7th or free agent.
>
> If we rebuild the trenches this year we won't win
> much. Then next year take Justin Herbert with the
> #1 pick. He reminds me of Marino.

BINGO. Nothing much to add here.

Next year we get a roof and despite the shade.......a lot more sunshine blown up our asses!!!!

I think there is a high probability to have a few trade partners if Lock is still available at 13. Murry is going to the Raiders. That's almost a sure thing unless Arizona grabs him instead of Haskins. Extra Multiple draft picks would be a big step in rebuilding this team.

Next year we get a roof and despite the shade.......a lot more sunshine blown up our asses!!!!

astro34 Wrote:
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> Another trade back scenerio:
>
> Trade #13 to the giants (they have 12 picks) for
> #17,95,132,143
>
> 1150 trade value points to a total of 1144. They
> get a better point value, i guess they could throw
> in one of their 7th round picks)
>
> Essentially moving back 4 spots and pick up an
> extra third, fourth and fifth round draft pick
>
> And we would not have to deal with New England
> .... unless they we trade back again

Many holes to fill on this team and it's rebuild time. Go for it with moving back 4 spots to get a few more picks, I'm ok with that.

Mike8272 Wrote:
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> astro34 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Another trade back scenerio:
> >
> > Trade #13 to the giants (they have 12 picks)
> for
> > #17,95,132,143
> >
> > 1150 trade value points to a total of 1144.
> They
> > get a better point value, i guess they could
> throw
> > in one of their 7th round picks)
> >
> > Essentially moving back 4 spots and pick up an
> > extra third, fourth and fifth round draft pick
> >
> > And we would not have to deal with New England
> > .... unless they we trade back again
>
> I'm honestly torn in this scenario. On the one
> hand I like the idea of acquiring more draft picks
> and only moving back four places. At 17 we will
> still have some very good options;
>
> - Charles Davis has Daniel Jones going 17, with
> the likes of TJ Hockenson (TE), Christian Wilkins
> (DT), Byron Murphy (C, Cody Ford (OG), Devin
> Bush (L, Dexter Lawrence (DT), DeAndre Baker
> (C, Greedy Williams (C being available.
> - Chad Reuter also has Daniel Jones going 17, with
> most of the above list available. However,
> Hockenson is gone, but Clelin Ferrell (EDGE) and
> Brian Burns (EDGE) are both available.
> - Peter Schrager has Clelin Ferrell going 17,
> again most of the above list are available.
> However, Burns and Hockenson are gone, but
> surprisingly Montez Sweat is available and goes to
> the Seahawks!
>
> I'll be honest, if we did trade back and
> Schrager's projections come true, I would be very
> happy coming away from the draft with Sweat and
> those extra picks. Equally I would be happy with
> Reuter's projection and taking Burns and getting
> those picks. Based on Davis' projections I'd
> probably take Devin Bush, though the other
> prospects are all appealing.
>
> With that said, the reason I am torn here is
> because if Haskins or Lock fall they could be the
> answer to our quarterback position long term. If
> the Giants are trading up for them, then either
> they are reaching and forcing the quarterback
> selection and we are smart to pass and trade back,
> or they are making the smart move and we are
> making the foolish move to pass and trade back. I
> would hate to think that we pass up the
> opportunity to draft Haskins or Lock and they end
> up being the next franchise quarterback in New
> York while we get another Tannehill or Henne.
> Granted I am not saying we should force the
> quarterback selection, but Lock and Haskins do
> look like they have the ability to start in the
> NFL, so I'd be torn passing on them but at the
> same time if we did like Brian Burns, Montez Sweat
> or Devin Bush (etc) plus more picks then I'd be
> happy enough with that haul.

Hi Mike, Just quoting your post so that it will show up (we are having problems with certain features on the board lately causing posts to turn up blank.

If we have the Opp to get Haskins at 13.......I'd be on that like white on rice. I see Arizona grabbing him or Murry. They also might be screwing with Chucky because he has such a woody for Murry. He might have to trade up 1 spot to get him.

Murry is either going to the Raiders or Chucky is taking bluffing to a new level.

I just really do not like Lock. He will bring failure IMO. I'd love to trade down that pick.

Next year we get a roof and despite the shade.......a lot more sunshine blown up our asses!!!!

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/06/2019 04:00AM by TreasurecoastPhinsfan.

Best G and C in draft
Ya Sin big strong cb opposite of Howard
Hanks brings great athleticism.
Wesley great route runner
Grier, I like better than Lock
Conway 3 year starter at LT. Good pass blk, fit at RT
Scarllett all up to him if he wants to play or not

Mike8272 Wrote:
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> astro34 Wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------
> -----
> > Another trade back scenerio:
> >
> > Trade #13 to the giants (they have 12 picks)
> for
> > #17,95,132,143
> >
> > 1150 trade value points to a total of 1144.
> They
> > get a better point value, i guess they could
> throw
> > in one of their 7th round picks
> >
> > Essentially moving back 4 spots and pick up an
> > extra third, fourth and fifth round draft pick
> >
> > And we would not have to deal with New England
> > .... unless they we trade back again
>
> I'm honestly torn in this scenario. On the one
> hand I like the idea of acquiring more draft picks
> and only moving back four places. At 17 we will
> still have some very good options;
>
> - Charles Davis has Daniel Jones going 17, with
> the likes of TJ Hockenson (TE), Christian Wilkins
> (DT), Byron Murphy C B, Cody Ford (OG), Devin
> Bush L B, Dexter Lawrence (DT), DeAndre Baker
> C B, Greedy Williams C B being available.
> - Chad Reuter also has Daniel Jones going 17, with
> most of the above list available. However,
> Hockenson is gone, but Clelin Ferrell (EDGE) and
> Brian Burns (EDGE) are both available.
> - Peter Schrager has Clelin Ferrell going 17,
> again most of the above list are available.
> However, Burns and Hockenson are gone, but
> surprisingly Montez Sweat is available and goes to
> the Seahawks!
>
> I'll be honest, if we did trade back and
> Schrager's projections come true, I would be very
> happy coming away from the draft with Sweat and
> those extra picks. Equally I would be happy with
> Reuter's projection and taking Burns and getting
> those picks. Based on Davis' projections I'd
> probably take Devin Bush, though the other
> prospects are all appealing.
>
> With that said, the reason I am torn here is
> because if Haskins or Lock fall they could be the
> answer to our quarterback position long term. If
> the Giants are trading up for them, then either
> they are reaching and forcing the quarterback
> selection and we are smart to pass and trade back,
> or they are making the smart move and we are
> making the foolish move to pass and trade back. I
> would hate to think that we pass up the
> opportunity to draft Haskins or Lock and they end
> up being the next franchise quarterback in New
> York while we get another Tannehill or Henne.
> Granted I am not saying we should force the
> quarterback selection, but Lock and Haskins do
> look like they have the ability to start in the
> NFL, so I'd be torn passing on them but at the
> same time if we did like Brian Burns, Montez Sweat
> or Devin Bush plus more picks then I'd be
> happy enough with that haul.