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Re: Pacers/Celtics Postgame Thread 1/4/13

Boston still has the capability to be a good defensive team. They obviously haven't realized that potential this season consistently though.

To be fair to them, missing Avery Bradley hurt their defensive numbers a lot. This was Avery's second game off of injury and he was very disruptive defensively.

They do have the capability to play good defense. But they haven't done so far. Because Bradley was injured and because it's early in the season. Boston picks it up later in the season. That's why I believed that this was a prime opportunity to beat them. Come playoff time, they'll probably have a real defense.

All I'm saying, is that this wasn't the case tonight. Yes, they did a good job tonight. Especially, late in the 3rd and in the start of the 4th. But in the first half? No. West was just missing layup after layup. He was bad tonight. PG was missing a lot as well. We were missing almost every 3.

Simply put, we were awful tonight. Our awful shooting gave the Celtics the boost they needed to lock up on D in the second half.

But we shot ourselves in the foot first.

That's my opinion, at least.

Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

Re: Pacers/Celtics Postgame Thread 1/4/13

Memphis has Tony Allen. Boston has two guards that play good D. Bradley and Rondo.

I'm not surprised about our 3 point shooting, actually. Home court helps immensely. It's a tremendous boost for PG. He is an amazing shooter at home. He is only an average shooter away from home. He is not a Danny Granger level shooter. I'm confident that he will be, though

Tonight, all flags must burn, in place of steeples.
Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

I wouldnt call that justice, i would call someone breaking that f****** punks nose and giving him a dose of his own medicine justice. I agree with everything else in the thread though, lol. Sorry, a litte upset after having to watch that debacle.

Re: Pacers/Celtics Postgame Thread 1/4/13

Sorry for the ugly game, but congrats to OJ on his first points and block(lol), hopefully he gets a chance to help a little more and looks more like today's game (even though it was garbage time) than the summer league OJ we all saw. He more than doubled his season minutes tonight, so it's not a bad start, even if he just has to keep working in practice to improve and earn more time.

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Re: Pacers/Celtics Postgame Thread 1/4/13

I think David West wanted to, but he was on the bench, and my guess is he knows the consequences for leaving the bench in that kind of a situation and wisely stayed put. But if you watch the video he's clearly unhappy. I think he'd have had a more... noticeable... reaction for KG if he had been subbed in at the time.

Re: Pacers/Celtics Postgame Thread 1/4/13

Never did get a good look at this replay... wow... he literally just swung at Tyler's face. Heinson didn't think it was a flagrant.

It's not debatable that the foul was at a Flagrant 1.....but unless hitting the face of a Player while going for the ball...whether it is an accidental or not.....is an AUTOMATIC Flagrant 2....then I can see that it can be debatable as to whether that is a Flagrant 2 or not.

If it is possible to downgrade a Flagrant 2 afterwards....I would not be surprised if this is downgraded to a Flagrant 1.

Re: Pacers/Celtics Postgame Thread 1/4/13

The saddest thing about that flagrant was that even though KG blatantly punched Tyler in the face, the entire team was so dejected and thoroughly outmatched that no one was going to start anything. "I know our teammate just got smacked on purpose across the head by the biggest douchebag in the league, but can we just get this over with?"

Re: Pacers/Celtics Postgame Thread 1/4/13

KG is gonna gett ****** for that move. tyler will take him out. see u in may KG.

That was straight up aggravated battery. KG should be in handcuffs right now. I don't see how he can be shielded from violating the law of the land so blatantly on TV for all to see.

I'm absolutely sickened at the NBA right now. Tyler has taken too many of these hits. If they don't send a message that it better stop because it has absolutely no place in basketball then who will? What if Tyler took a shot at Garnett like that? That should be a minimum ten game suspension in my book and at least a $100,000 fine paid straight to Hansbrough for having to take the brunt of such a dirty, malicious hit.

And the Boston fans are actually defending it like the Miami fans did with the Haslem hit. I mean I love my team and all but I would never defend such behavior. That was an Artest like move by KG.

"At common law, an intentional unpermitted act causing harmful or offensive contact with the "person" of another."

"The following elements must be proven to establish a case for battery: (1) an act by a defendant; (2) an intent to cause harmful or offensive contact on the part of the defendant; and (3) harmful or offensive contact to the plaintiff."

"When a battery is committed with intent to do serious harm or murder, or when it is done with a dangerous weapon, it is described as aggravated."

Sure you could argue the aggravated part, but I don't see how he did not intend to try to do serious harm to Tyler by throwing that punch at him when he wasn't even slightly expecting it. Something obviously shields athletes from such punishments, but there is no doubt that was at least battery. This isn't fighting. Sucker punching a fellow basketball player during the play when he isn't expecting it is disgusting to the game. It's not like they squared up then a punch was thrown. KG caught him off guard like that on purpose, so he could deliver the most punishment possible with one blow. And KG got away with slapping Tyler earlier in the game.

Re: Pacers/Celtics Postgame Thread 1/4/13

That was straight up aggravated battery. KG should be in handcuffs right now. I don't see how he can be shielded from violating the law of the land so blatantly on TV for all to see.

I'm absolutely sickened at the NBA right now. Tyler has taken too many of these hits. If they don't send a message that it better stop because it has absolutely no place in basketball then who will? What if Tyler took a shot at Garnett like that? That should be a minimum ten game suspension in my book and at least a $100,000 fine paid straight to Hansbrough for having to take the brunt of such a dirty, malicious hit.

And the Boston fans are actually defending it like the Miami fans did with the Haslem hit. I mean I love my team and all but I would never defend such behavior. That was an Artest like move by KG.

"At common law, an intentional unpermitted act causing harmful or offensive contact with the "person" of another."

"The following elements must be proven to establish a case for battery: (1) an act by a defendant; (2) an intent to cause harmful or offensive contact on the part of the defendant; and (3) harmful or offensive contact to the plaintiff."

"When a battery is committed with intent to do serious harm or murder, or when it is done with a dangerous weapon, it is described as aggravated."

Sure you could argue the aggravated part, but I don't see how he did not intend to try to do serious harm to Tyler by throwing that punch at him when he wasn't even slightly expecting it. Something obviously shields athletes from such punishments, but there is no doubt that was at least battery. This isn't fighting. Sucker punching a fellow basketball player during the play when he isn't expecting it is disgusting to the game. It's not like they squared up then a punch was thrown. KG caught him off guard like that on purpose, so he could deliver the most punishment possible with one blow. And KG got away with slapping Tyler earlier in the game.

And this thread just jumped the shark.

Look its pretty obvious that KG was going to swipe at the ball and he completely misjudge what Tyler was going to do on offense. Thats all it takes in basketball, split second actions can end up with smashed faces. The ejection was warranted. But lets not act like KG was just being a thug. He held him up after the hit and you could tell after the hit he showed some concern for Tyler.

I hate KG, literally can't stand his personality and ego, but come on very rarely does he try to intentionally hurt another player.

Re: Pacers/Celtics Postgame Thread 1/4/13

It's not debatable that the foul was at a Flagrant 1.....but unless hitting the face of a Player while going for the ball...whether it is an accidental or not.....is an AUTOMATIC Flagrant 2....then I can see that it can be debatable as to whether that is a Flagrant 2 or not.

If it is possible to downgrade a Flagrant 2 afterwards....I would not be surprised if this is downgraded to a Flagrant 1.

To me I think it will depend on if his right hand was open or balled up in a fist. I can't really tell from the replay here but it sort of looks like a fist to me, but again I can't tell. If it's a fist I would not be surprised if they let it stand as a flagrant 2, if it was an open hand I could see it going down to a 1.

Basketball isn't played with computers, spreadsheets, and simulations. ChicagoJ 4/21/13

Re: Pacers/Celtics Postgame Thread 1/4/13

And just like that, goodbye central division first place....Chicago beat Miami tonight

It's JANUARY, and we're without two of our best players. We could easily get the lead back in a game and lose it in another. It's all bout how we finish, not our record in January. Least that's my take

Re: Pacers/Celtics Postgame Thread 1/4/13

To me I think it will depend on if his right hand was open or balled up in a fist. I can't really tell from the replay here but it sort of looks like a fist to me, but again I can't tell. If it's a fist I would not be surprised if they let it stand as a flagrant 2, if it was an open hand I could see it going down to a 1.

i think i saw a shank in the replay...

but seriously, bad play by KG but it's not exactly out of the realm of possibility that Tyler did something earlier on to bring down KG's wrath...there's a reason his nickname isn't "Friendly T"

Re: Pacers/Celtics Postgame Thread 1/4/13

To me I think it will depend on if his right hand was open or balled up in a fist. I can't really tell from the replay here but it sort of looks like a fist to me, but again I can't tell. If it's a fist I would not be surprised if they let it stand as a flagrant 2, if it was an open hand I could see it going down to a 1.

As I said....it's debatable. I am inclined to agree with graphic-er.....this wasn't as blatant or obvious as the Dexter Pittman flagrant on Hansbrough.

Re: Pacers/Celtics Postgame Thread 1/4/13

Look its pretty obvious that KG was going to swipe at the ball and he completely misjudge what Tyler was going to do on offense. Thats all it takes in basketball, split second actions can end up with smashed faces. The ejection was warranted. But lets not act like KG was just being a thug. He held him up after the hit and you could tell after the hit he showed some concern for Tyler.

I hate KG, literally can't stand his personality and ego, but come on very rarely does he try to intentionally hurt another player.

I just really don't see how you can say he made a play on the ball. That was a dirty play. By your logic if he was trying to get a cheap shot on him all he had to do was "act" concerned after the fact and it is okay. I mean just from the live angle, it is clear that he swings at Tyler to cause harm. That was not contact that is normal to basketball. His body language after the fact makes me believe it was intentional but he was going to play it off like he was going for the ball.

The live action angle shows that he swings at the ball with reckless force and disregard for Tyler's safety. KG wouldn't have swung that hard if he was just going for the ball. He was trying to swing as hard as he possibly could to punish Tyler. The fact that he hit him in the head doesn't change the fact he was reckless for swinging at him that hard in the first place. The slap earlier in the game shows that there was something already there. For me to believe he didn't have malicious intent with that swing after he slapped him already would be foolish.

My point is if you swing at someone with that much force while both players are moving, odds are you are going to make contact with more than the ball. I think that was KGs intent all along. The head shot was just the bonus.

Maybe I went overboard with the battery accusation, but after Haslem did get away with battery, I'm more sensitive to players taking head shots at a player with a concussion history in basketball, a sport where head shots have never been part of the game. The NFL protects its players from shots to the head more than the NBA, and football is a contact sport where they where helmets.

If you dive at a player head first aiming at the ball in the NFL, and hit that player in the head, you will get fined and possibly suspended. Since basketball is not a contact sport, if you recklessly swing at a ball and smash someone in the head very hard, you should get fined and possibly suspended more severely because basketball isn't a contact sport and players' brain safety is more important because there is no helmet to protect it.