THE safety of hundreds of cyclists was threatened during a major sports event when drawing pins were thrown on to the road and more than 1,000 route signs vandalised.

Organisers of UK Cycling’s New Forest Spring Sportive were forced to take drastic action at the start of the two-day event when the participants were put in jeopardy by the reckless actions of the vandals.

Marshals had to sweep up the tacks off the road in Boldre – but some tyres were still punctured.

Riders have also spoken of one group of people in the road, shouting at the passing cyclists and deliberately obstructing them as they passed.

And event organisers also found that more than 1,000 direction and safety signs had been removed or defaced, forcing safety teams to replace them before the 1,850 cyclists set off.

Heavy rain added to the organisers’ problems, forcing them to cancel the second day as the hosting field in Brockenhurst became waterlogged.

Martin Barden, director of UK Cycling, said there were no injuries but he was “appalled” at the action of the vandals.

He said: “A small minority of people have taken to vigilante lengths to stop the events. Their behaviour is unacceptable.

“[They] have tried to ruin the day for everyone and tried to endanger cyclists.

“Luckily that hasn’t happened, due to sheer luck, but the attempt to injure a cyclist has been there.

“I think it is appalling. It’s all been reported to the police.

“It is a very small-minded type of attitude. If we hadn’t been on top of it, it could have caused serious harm.”

Mr Barden added that some cars were also being driven at slow speeds, causing a slow-moving roadblock.

But he said that most cyclists were unaware of any problems and that many had enjoyed the day, despite the weather.

He also said that the majority of the New Forest residents were welcoming to the cyclists for the fifth annual event.

Nic Stevenson, 29, who took part in the event said despite the best efforts of the organisers, there was still some evidence of signage being tampered with.

If road markings had not been painted on the road surface, he said, there could have been problems as some directions were pointing the opposite way.

Nic, who grew up in Highcliffe and now lives in London, also spoke of a group of 12-15 people between the first and second feed station, who were in the road shouting at cyclists as they went by.

“There were a couple of younger women and what appeared to be families there – they looked to be local people”, Nic said.

“We got the impression someone was trying to pick a fight.

“They were definitely trying to provoke people.

“They were shouting things like “We don’t want you in our forest”.

“There wasn’t any violence but it was definitely intimidating and talking to other people, they had also come across the same group.

“However, there was a marshal in place before you got to them, warning you to slow down, so the organisers had really done their best.

"And I saw a police car heading in that direction as well once we were through, although I don’t know the reason why.”

Nic added: “With something like this people tend to remember the worst bit not the best bit.

“There were a lot of signs out saying “we welcome the sportive riders here” and people cheering riders on.

“Many will never have been to the New Forest before and could have been return visitors.”

The event had attracted criticism in the week leading up to it, with some residents of the New Forest claiming that cyclists were an increasing nuisance as they flocked to the park to enjoy its breathtaking views.

Mr Barden said that the number of participants had been kept low out of respect to those living there.

“We could have had 10,000 people here but we reduced the figures. We did it consciously to be considerate to the local residents. The same courtesy has not been extended the other way, in some parts,” he added.

Ian Wild, chairman of Boldre Parish Council, said he thought that the vandals’ actions were “reprehensible”.

“It could have caused accidents and could have potentially been very serious.

Anyone who cycled over the tacks could have been injured. If someone had done that, that’s reprehensible,” he said.

Over an 86-mile circuit cyclists were able to visit Lymington, Brockenhurst, Lyndhurst, Landford, Hale, Godshill, Hyde and Sway. There was also a shorter route of 58 miles.

Earlier this week Dr Julian Lewis, MP for New Forest East, wrote to transport minister Norman Baker calling for a formal licensing system for cycle events to be introduced.

He was unavailable for further comment yesterday.

Before the weekend’s event, a spokesman for the New Forest Equestrian Association said that there was a big risk to horses and riders from such events, especially when cyclists came up quickly and silently from behind.

Mr Barden said that the Forest ride event would now be rescheduled for later in the year.

Someone call Channel 4, that would be far better tele than their usual trash.

"Get of my land!"
Any chance of a civil war generated by cyclists and Horsey types.
It would be a bit unfair, as the Cyclists will vastly outnumber them.
So the Horsey's could call in the yachties as reinforcement.
Someone call Channel 4, that would be far better tele than their usual trash.l'anglais

"Get of my land!"

Any chance of a civil war generated by cyclists and Horsey types.

It would be a bit unfair, as the Cyclists will vastly outnumber them.

So the Horsey's could call in the yachties as reinforcement.

Someone call Channel 4, that would be far better tele than their usual trash.

Score: 0

purbeckgirl
10:05am Mon 15 Apr 13

I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?

I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?purbeckgirl

I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?

Score: 0

BoscVegas
10:29am Mon 15 Apr 13

1,000 signs does seem a bit excessive. and I bet its the organisers don't bother collecting them all afterward. Gotta love the effort that went into sabotaging it though - british eccentricity at its best.

1,000 signs does seem a bit excessive. and I bet its the organisers don't bother collecting them all afterward. Gotta love the effort that went into sabotaging it though - british eccentricity at its best.BoscVegas

1,000 signs does seem a bit excessive. and I bet its the organisers don't bother collecting them all afterward. Gotta love the effort that went into sabotaging it though - british eccentricity at its best.

Score: -2

scrumpyjack
10:41am Mon 15 Apr 13

purbeckgirl wrote…

I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?

Can't say I have experienced the same.

But then I do not feel I own the road and "feel some sympathy" for other road users.

[quote][p][bold]purbeckgirl[/bold] wrote:
I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?[/p][/quote]Can't say I have experienced the same.
But then I do not feel I own the road and "feel some sympathy" for other road users.scrumpyjack

purbeckgirl wrote…

I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?

Can't say I have experienced the same.

But then I do not feel I own the road and "feel some sympathy" for other road users.

Score: 1

[deleted]
10:53am Mon 15 Apr 13

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How on earth will this amount or even many more cyclists have any effect on any of the inbred genetic waste that vandalised this event?
1800 cyclist leaving the start in small bunches would equate to about 20 cyclists per mile of the 86 mile course.
The cycle is practically noisless and produces no emissions. With an average speed of 17-25 mph, it is slower than cars and presents no hazard to wildlife.
Even at a low speed of 18mph, a sudden puncture in the front tyre could cause major injuries. These cretins need to be caught and punished to the fullest extent of the law.
These morons have been bleating to the forrest councils and MP's to ban any type of event in the forest and have been (mostly) treated with the utter contempt they deserve. Because they cant get thier way they resort to dangerous levels of vandalism.
This has mostly been stirred up by the rather vile Anita Gresham-Hale who made up anti cycling posters while her smiling other face takes money from local cycling firms for advertising on her web site.
The mentality of these ignorant nutters is far beyond any logic. They scream ruddy blue murder that speed litis are to high and speeding vehicles are killing precious wildlife. If a car or more precicly thier car is held up for a few seconds by a cyclist, it is the end of thier forest. Perhaps they would prefer it if all the cyclists drove thier cars along the route.
Before the event we had a rather idiotic release from an MP stating that cyclists case untold injury and hazard to horses and wildlife. The Forest Journal warned of "Carnage". The Echo warned us that locals would die because ambulances would be delayed. Bystanders would be trampled by horses fleeing in a stampede of terror and the wildlife would be decimated.
What is the upshot - nothing. No horses were hurt in the running of this event. No people were hurt in the running of this event.Gooby!

How on earth will this amount or even many more cyclists have any effect on any of the inbred genetic waste that vandalised this event?

1800 cyclist leaving the start in small bunches would equate to about 20 cyclists per mile of the 86 mile course.
The cycle is practically noisless and produces no emissions. With an average speed of 17-25 mph, it is slower than cars and presents no hazard to wildlife.

Even at a low speed of 18mph, a sudden puncture in the front tyre could cause major injuries. These cretins need to be caught and punished to the fullest extent of the law.

These morons have been bleating to the forrest councils and MP's to ban any type of event in the forest and have been (mostly) treated with the utter contempt they deserve. Because they cant get thier way they resort to dangerous levels of vandalism.

This has mostly been stirred up by the rather vile Anita Gresham-Hale who made up anti cycling posters while her smiling other face takes money from local cycling firms for advertising on her web site.

The mentality of these ignorant nutters is far beyond any logic. They scream ruddy blue murder that speed litis are to high and speeding vehicles are killing precious wildlife. If a car or more precicly thier car is held up for a few seconds by a cyclist, it is the end of thier forest. Perhaps they would prefer it if all the cyclists drove thier cars along the route.

Before the event we had a rather idiotic release from an MP stating that cyclists case untold injury and hazard to horses and wildlife. The Forest Journal warned of "Carnage". The Echo warned us that locals would die because ambulances would be delayed. Bystanders would be trampled by horses fleeing in a stampede of terror and the wildlife would be decimated.

What is the upshot - nothing. No horses were hurt in the running of this event. No people were hurt in the running of this event.

Score: 0

PUZZLED ONE
11:02am Mon 15 Apr 13

I hope they got permission from the appropriate authorities before putting up more than 1,000 direction and safety signs, and then removed them afterwards.

I hope they got permission from the appropriate authorities before putting up more than 1,000 direction and safety signs, and then removed them afterwards.PUZZLED ONE

I hope they got permission from the appropriate authorities before putting up more than 1,000 direction and safety signs, and then removed them afterwards.

Score: 0

bluto999
11:06am Mon 15 Apr 13

purbeckgirl wrote…

I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?

I feel no sympathy at all with this criminal activity.
Why would it be better to close the roads?

[quote][p][bold]purbeckgirl[/bold] wrote:
I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?[/p][/quote]I feel no sympathy at all with this criminal activity.
Why would it be better to close the roads?bluto999

purbeckgirl wrote…

I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?

I feel no sympathy at all with this criminal activity.
Why would it be better to close the roads?

Score: 0

Hugo808
11:12am Mon 15 Apr 13

purbeckgirl wrote…

I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?

Sorry to break it to you but there is no minimum speed limit on UK roads. Cyclists are no harder to get past than anything else travelling slower than you.

It's a sad sign of the times that when people try to get around without polluting the place someone will get self righteous and put a stop to it.

Cycling is the only sane method of transport and the council tries to encourage it but who would want to risk running afoul of the mindless motorist. Not me.

[quote][p][bold]purbeckgirl[/bold] wrote:
I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?[/p][/quote]Sorry to break it to you but there is no minimum speed limit on UK roads. Cyclists are no harder to get past than anything else travelling slower than you.
It's a sad sign of the times that when people try to get around without polluting the place someone will get self righteous and put a stop to it.
Cycling is the only sane method of transport and the council tries to encourage it but who would want to risk running afoul of the mindless motorist. Not me.Hugo808

purbeckgirl wrote…

I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?

Sorry to break it to you but there is no minimum speed limit on UK roads. Cyclists are no harder to get past than anything else travelling slower than you.

It's a sad sign of the times that when people try to get around without polluting the place someone will get self righteous and put a stop to it.

Cycling is the only sane method of transport and the council tries to encourage it but who would want to risk running afoul of the mindless motorist. Not me.

Score: 1

MandinVerwood
11:18am Mon 15 Apr 13

PUZZLED ONE wrote…

I hope they got permission from the appropriate authorities before putting up more than 1,000 direction and safety signs, and then removed them afterwards.

Of course they do. These events take months of planning and approval from the council & police is given first.

Then I have also seen the people take down the signs and clean up afterwards too.

So if the proper authorities have given permission and are making money out of this too, what rights does it give a mindless few to destroy other peoples property or put people at risk?

[quote][p][bold]PUZZLED ONE[/bold] wrote:
I hope they got permission from the appropriate authorities before putting up more than 1,000 direction and safety signs, and then removed them afterwards.[/p][/quote]Of course they do. These events take months of planning and approval from the council & police is given first.
Then I have also seen the people take down the signs and clean up afterwards too.
So if the proper authorities have given permission and are making money out of this too, what rights does it give a mindless few to destroy other peoples property or put people at risk?MandinVerwood

PUZZLED ONE wrote…

I hope they got permission from the appropriate authorities before putting up more than 1,000 direction and safety signs, and then removed them afterwards.

Of course they do. These events take months of planning and approval from the council & police is given first.

Then I have also seen the people take down the signs and clean up afterwards too.

So if the proper authorities have given permission and are making money out of this too, what rights does it give a mindless few to destroy other peoples property or put people at risk?

Score: 0

MandinVerwood
11:22am Mon 15 Apr 13

There were also reports on the Southampton daily echo, that a local cyclist out for a ride and not associated with the event, became a victim of the tacks put down, it caused them to crash and a broken collar bone was the result. This then involved an ambulance call out on top of that.

There were also reports on the Southampton daily echo, that a local cyclist out for a ride and not associated with the event, became a victim of the tacks put down, it caused them to crash and a broken collar bone was the result. This then involved an ambulance call out on top of that.MandinVerwood

There were also reports on the Southampton daily echo, that a local cyclist out for a ride and not associated with the event, became a victim of the tacks put down, it caused them to crash and a broken collar bone was the result. This then involved an ambulance call out on top of that.

Score: 3

Franks Tank
11:26am Mon 15 Apr 13

So 2000 cyclists come to the forest for a day out and see signs ripped down and tacks spread across the road.
What, I ask you, do you think the impression they took away with them was?
What do you think they are now telling their friend, family and work colleges about their experiences?
Where do you think all these people might reconsider coming for their holiday later in the year?
I hope the proprietors of the small businesses, guest houses, tea rooms and pubs will still be happy to shake the hand of these parochial nimbys during the low season.
New tourist slogan for the Forest should be "COME TO THE NEW FOREST, BRITAINS UNFRIENDLY NATIONAL PARK".

So 2000 cyclists come to the forest for a day out and see signs ripped down and tacks spread across the road.
What, I ask you, do you think the impression they took away with them was?
What do you think they are now telling their friend, family and work colleges about their experiences?
Where do you think all these people might reconsider coming for their holiday later in the year?
I hope the proprietors of the small businesses, guest houses, tea rooms and pubs will still be happy to shake the hand of these parochial nimbys during the low season.
New tourist slogan for the Forest should be "COME TO THE NEW FOREST, BRITAINS UNFRIENDLY NATIONAL PARK".Franks Tank

So 2000 cyclists come to the forest for a day out and see signs ripped down and tacks spread across the road.
What, I ask you, do you think the impression they took away with them was?
What do you think they are now telling their friend, family and work colleges about their experiences?
Where do you think all these people might reconsider coming for their holiday later in the year?
I hope the proprietors of the small businesses, guest houses, tea rooms and pubs will still be happy to shake the hand of these parochial nimbys during the low season.
New tourist slogan for the Forest should be "COME TO THE NEW FOREST, BRITAINS UNFRIENDLY NATIONAL PARK".

Score: 2

Franks Tank
11:30am Mon 15 Apr 13

+++STOP PRESS+++STOP PRESS+++STOP PRESS+++
More than 2000 cars are expected to bring Lyndurst to a standstill and turn it into a "no go zone" every weekend throughout the summer.
Anyone else see this story?

+++STOP PRESS+++STOP PRESS+++STOP PRESS+++
More than 2000 cars are expected to bring Lyndurst to a standstill and turn it into a "no go zone" every weekend throughout the summer.
Anyone else see this story?Franks Tank

+++STOP PRESS+++STOP PRESS+++STOP PRESS+++
More than 2000 cars are expected to bring Lyndurst to a standstill and turn it into a "no go zone" every weekend throughout the summer.
Anyone else see this story?

Score: 2

uvox44
11:31am Mon 15 Apr 13

sadly given the anti-cyclist rants you see on here this is not surprising - it's about time some motorists got used to the fact that cyclists are here to stay , and in increasing numbers , as people realise that two wheels offers a sane alternative to pollution, traffic congestion, health issues and road damage.
And to answer the , wholly predictable, cyclists are all lycra terrorists who jump red lights, cycle on pavements and generally cause accidents brigade- no they're not, there are a minority of bad cyclists who do far less harm than the minority of bad motorists, so please change the record...

sadly given the anti-cyclist rants you see on here this is not surprising - it's about time some motorists got used to the fact that cyclists are here to stay , and in increasing numbers , as people realise that two wheels offers a sane alternative to pollution, traffic congestion, health issues and road damage.
And to answer the , wholly predictable, cyclists are all lycra terrorists who jump red lights, cycle on pavements and generally cause accidents brigade- no they're not, there are a minority of bad cyclists who do far less harm than the minority of bad motorists, so please change the record...uvox44

sadly given the anti-cyclist rants you see on here this is not surprising - it's about time some motorists got used to the fact that cyclists are here to stay , and in increasing numbers , as people realise that two wheels offers a sane alternative to pollution, traffic congestion, health issues and road damage.
And to answer the , wholly predictable, cyclists are all lycra terrorists who jump red lights, cycle on pavements and generally cause accidents brigade- no they're not, there are a minority of bad cyclists who do far less harm than the minority of bad motorists, so please change the record...

Score: 4

Capricorn 1
11:38am Mon 15 Apr 13

Hugo808 wrote…

purbeckgirl wrote…

I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?

Sorry to break it to you but there is no minimum speed limit on UK roads. Cyclists are no harder to get past than anything else travelling slower than you.

It's a sad sign of the times that when people try to get around without polluting the place someone will get self righteous and put a stop to it.

Cycling is the only sane method of transport and the council tries to encourage it but who would want to risk running afoul of the mindless motorist. Not me.

Hugo 808 wrote- It's a sad sign of the times that when people try to get around without polluting the place someone will get self righteous and put a stop to it.

So all those 1850 taking part got to the start, and journeyed back home, by cycle?

[quote][p][bold]Hugo808[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]purbeckgirl[/bold] wrote:
I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?[/p][/quote]Sorry to break it to you but there is no minimum speed limit on UK roads. Cyclists are no harder to get past than anything else travelling slower than you.
It's a sad sign of the times that when people try to get around without polluting the place someone will get self righteous and put a stop to it.
Cycling is the only sane method of transport and the council tries to encourage it but who would want to risk running afoul of the mindless motorist. Not me.[/p][/quote]Hugo 808 wrote- It's a sad sign of the times that when people try to get around without polluting the place someone will get self righteous and put a stop to it.
So all those 1850 taking part got to the start, and journeyed back home, by cycle?Capricorn 1

Hugo808 wrote…

purbeckgirl wrote…

I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?

Sorry to break it to you but there is no minimum speed limit on UK roads. Cyclists are no harder to get past than anything else travelling slower than you.

It's a sad sign of the times that when people try to get around without polluting the place someone will get self righteous and put a stop to it.

Cycling is the only sane method of transport and the council tries to encourage it but who would want to risk running afoul of the mindless motorist. Not me.

Hugo 808 wrote- It's a sad sign of the times that when people try to get around without polluting the place someone will get self righteous and put a stop to it.

So all those 1850 taking part got to the start, and journeyed back home, by cycle?

Score: -1

Gooby!
11:45am Mon 15 Apr 13

Capricorn 1 wrote…

Hugo808 wrote…

purbeckgirl wrote…

I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?

Sorry to break it to you but there is no minimum speed limit on UK roads. Cyclists are no harder to get past than anything else travelling slower than you.

It's a sad sign of the times that when people try to get around without polluting the place someone will get self righteous and put a stop to it.

Cycling is the only sane method of transport and the council tries to encourage it but who would want to risk running afoul of the mindless motorist. Not me.

Hugo 808 wrote- It's a sad sign of the times that when people try to get around without polluting the place someone will get self righteous and put a stop to it.

So all those 1850 taking part got to the start, and journeyed back home, by cycle?

No not all of them. Some are locals. Some live close enough to cycle to the event. Some camp in the area some bring thier families, stay in local accomodation for a few nights. Some drive in, do the event, stop for a nice meal and to warm up, chat to their buddies in a pub. A few drive in, do the event and leave? Is that a problem?

Many tourists drive in, go for a ride on many of the marked routes, bring a pic nic and leave.

Is there a point you are making?

[quote][p][bold]Capricorn 1[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Hugo808[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]purbeckgirl[/bold] wrote:
I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?[/p][/quote]Sorry to break it to you but there is no minimum speed limit on UK roads. Cyclists are no harder to get past than anything else travelling slower than you.
It's a sad sign of the times that when people try to get around without polluting the place someone will get self righteous and put a stop to it.
Cycling is the only sane method of transport and the council tries to encourage it but who would want to risk running afoul of the mindless motorist. Not me.[/p][/quote]Hugo 808 wrote- It's a sad sign of the times that when people try to get around without polluting the place someone will get self righteous and put a stop to it.
So all those 1850 taking part got to the start, and journeyed back home, by cycle?[/p][/quote]No not all of them. Some are locals. Some live close enough to cycle to the event. Some camp in the area some bring thier families, stay in local accomodation for a few nights. Some drive in, do the event, stop for a nice meal and to warm up, chat to their buddies in a pub. A few drive in, do the event and leave? Is that a problem?
Many tourists drive in, go for a ride on many of the marked routes, bring a pic nic and leave.
Is there a point you are making?Gooby!

Capricorn 1 wrote…

Hugo808 wrote…

purbeckgirl wrote…

I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?

Sorry to break it to you but there is no minimum speed limit on UK roads. Cyclists are no harder to get past than anything else travelling slower than you.

It's a sad sign of the times that when people try to get around without polluting the place someone will get self righteous and put a stop to it.

Cycling is the only sane method of transport and the council tries to encourage it but who would want to risk running afoul of the mindless motorist. Not me.

Hugo 808 wrote- It's a sad sign of the times that when people try to get around without polluting the place someone will get self righteous and put a stop to it.

So all those 1850 taking part got to the start, and journeyed back home, by cycle?

No not all of them. Some are locals. Some live close enough to cycle to the event. Some camp in the area some bring thier families, stay in local accomodation for a few nights. Some drive in, do the event, stop for a nice meal and to warm up, chat to their buddies in a pub. A few drive in, do the event and leave? Is that a problem?

Many tourists drive in, go for a ride on many of the marked routes, bring a pic nic and leave.

Is there a point you are making?

Score: 2

[deleted]
11:52am Mon 15 Apr 13

[deleted]

[quote][p][bold]uvox44[/bold] wrote:
sadly given the anti-cyclist rants you see on here this is not surprising - it's about time some motorists got used to the fact that cyclists are here to stay , and in increasing numbers , as people realise that two wheels offers a sane alternative to pollution, traffic congestion, health issues and road damage.
And to answer the , wholly predictable, cyclists are all lycra terrorists who jump red lights, cycle on pavements and generally cause accidents brigade- no they're not, there are a minority of bad cyclists who do far less harm than the minority of bad motorists, so please change the record...[/p][/quote]it's because you are so self righteous. it can 't be that healthy as the vast majority of lycra louts you see are over weight and bald.BoscVegas

uvox44 wrote…

sadly given the anti-cyclist rants you see on here this is not surprising - it's about time some motorists got used to the fact that cyclists are here to stay , and in increasing numbers , as people realise that two wheels offers a sane alternative to pollution, traffic congestion, health issues and road damage.
And to answer the , wholly predictable, cyclists are all lycra terrorists who jump red lights, cycle on pavements and generally cause accidents brigade- no they're not, there are a minority of bad cyclists who do far less harm than the minority of bad motorists, so please change the record...

it's because you are so self righteous. it can 't be that healthy as the vast majority of lycra louts you see are over weight and bald.

Score: 0

Capricorn 1
11:53am Mon 15 Apr 13

Sorry about the **** up on the multiple quotes.

Yes- there is a point.

The suggestion was that this was somehow a pollution free event though having so many people coming from all over the place means that that would not be the case.

Sorry about the **** up on the multiple quotes.
Yes- there is a point.
The suggestion was that this was somehow a pollution free event though having so many people coming from all over the place means that that would not be the case.Capricorn 1

Sorry about the **** up on the multiple quotes.

Yes- there is a point.

The suggestion was that this was somehow a pollution free event though having so many people coming from all over the place means that that would not be the case.

Score: -1

Gooby!
12:05pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Capricorn 1 wrote…

Sorry about the **** up on the multiple quotes.

Yes- there is a point.

The suggestion was that this was somehow a pollution free event though having so many people coming from all over the place means that that would not be the case.

With that logic, name an event that is totally pollution free?

[quote][p][bold]Capricorn 1[/bold] wrote:
Sorry about the **** up on the multiple quotes.
Yes- there is a point.
The suggestion was that this was somehow a pollution free event though having so many people coming from all over the place means that that would not be the case.[/p][/quote]With that logic, name an event that is totally pollution free?Gooby!

Capricorn 1 wrote…

Sorry about the **** up on the multiple quotes.

Yes- there is a point.

The suggestion was that this was somehow a pollution free event though having so many people coming from all over the place means that that would not be the case.

With that logic, name an event that is totally pollution free?

Score: 2

[deleted]
12:09pm Mon 15 Apr 13

[deleted]

[quote][p][bold]BoscVegas[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]uvox44[/bold] wrote:
sadly given the anti-cyclist rants you see on here this is not surprising - it's about time some motorists got used to the fact that cyclists are here to stay , and in increasing numbers , as people realise that two wheels offers a sane alternative to pollution, traffic congestion, health issues and road damage.
And to answer the , wholly predictable, cyclists are all lycra terrorists who jump red lights, cycle on pavements and generally cause accidents brigade- no they're not, there are a minority of bad cyclists who do far less harm than the minority of bad motorists, so please change the record...[/p][/quote]it's because you are so self righteous. it can 't be that healthy as the vast majority of lycra louts you see are over weight and bald.[/p][/quote]Better than ignorant, fat, judgmental, un-educated and boring... oh, and wrong!
But hey, I wont hold it against you.Gooby!

BoscVegas wrote…

uvox44 wrote…

sadly given the anti-cyclist rants you see on here this is not surprising - it's about time some motorists got used to the fact that cyclists are here to stay , and in increasing numbers , as people realise that two wheels offers a sane alternative to pollution, traffic congestion, health issues and road damage.
And to answer the , wholly predictable, cyclists are all lycra terrorists who jump red lights, cycle on pavements and generally cause accidents brigade- no they're not, there are a minority of bad cyclists who do far less harm than the minority of bad motorists, so please change the record...

it's because you are so self righteous. it can 't be that healthy as the vast majority of lycra louts you see are over weight and bald.

You really couldnt stoop much lower than this apart from physical abuse which has happened in the past,i actually feel ashamed that any human being could attempt to inflict injury and worse on someone else over what really is petty mindedness

You really couldnt stoop much lower than this apart from physical abuse which has happened in the past,i actually feel ashamed that any human being could attempt to inflict injury and worse on someone else over what really is petty mindednessretry69

You really couldnt stoop much lower than this apart from physical abuse which has happened in the past,i actually feel ashamed that any human being could attempt to inflict injury and worse on someone else over what really is petty mindedness

Score: 1

Hewhoshallnotbenamed
12:28pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Having been a victim of drawing pins being scattered on the road, not at this event but another organised event, this mindless act is lucky not to cause serious harm to someone.

I suffered from a broken collarbone, broken arm, cuts and bruises over my face and concussion, I spent 2 nights in hospital whilst they kept me in for monitoring. My life was saved by my Helmet, which is a compulsory measure at these events. The damage to my helmet caused it to split in two, it also buckled my wheel on my bike costing me in excess of £400 to fix. I now have insurance on my bike and myself if such an event should happen again.

I also drive for my living, which means travelling right across the country usually racking up 20,000 miles a year, I see all kind of idiots on Bikes and Cars, and unfortunately its the minority of people on both that cause issues for the others and tarnish each others reputation, this country is miles behind some of our European counterparts where they actively encourage safe cycling.

Having been a victim of drawing pins being scattered on the road, not at this event but another organised event, this mindless act is lucky not to cause serious harm to someone.
I suffered from a broken collarbone, broken arm, cuts and bruises over my face and concussion, I spent 2 nights in hospital whilst they kept me in for monitoring. My life was saved by my Helmet, which is a compulsory measure at these events. The damage to my helmet caused it to split in two, it also buckled my wheel on my bike costing me in excess of £400 to fix. I now have insurance on my bike and myself if such an event should happen again.
I also drive for my living, which means travelling right across the country usually racking up 20,000 miles a year, I see all kind of idiots on Bikes and Cars, and unfortunately its the minority of people on both that cause issues for the others and tarnish each others reputation, this country is miles behind some of our European counterparts where they actively encourage safe cycling.Hewhoshallnotbenamed

Having been a victim of drawing pins being scattered on the road, not at this event but another organised event, this mindless act is lucky not to cause serious harm to someone.

I suffered from a broken collarbone, broken arm, cuts and bruises over my face and concussion, I spent 2 nights in hospital whilst they kept me in for monitoring. My life was saved by my Helmet, which is a compulsory measure at these events. The damage to my helmet caused it to split in two, it also buckled my wheel on my bike costing me in excess of £400 to fix. I now have insurance on my bike and myself if such an event should happen again.

I also drive for my living, which means travelling right across the country usually racking up 20,000 miles a year, I see all kind of idiots on Bikes and Cars, and unfortunately its the minority of people on both that cause issues for the others and tarnish each others reputation, this country is miles behind some of our European counterparts where they actively encourage safe cycling.

Score: 2

Franks Tank
12:29pm Mon 15 Apr 13

retry69 wrote…

You really couldnt stoop much lower than this apart from physical abuse which has happened in the past,i actually feel ashamed that any human being could attempt to inflict injury and worse on someone else over what really is petty mindedness

There are actually reports of physical intimidation at one of the more remote spots on the route.

[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote:
You really couldnt stoop much lower than this apart from physical abuse which has happened in the past,i actually feel ashamed that any human being could attempt to inflict injury and worse on someone else over what really is petty mindedness[/p][/quote]There are actually reports of physical intimidation at one of the more remote spots on the route.Franks Tank

retry69 wrote…

You really couldnt stoop much lower than this apart from physical abuse which has happened in the past,i actually feel ashamed that any human being could attempt to inflict injury and worse on someone else over what really is petty mindedness

There are actually reports of physical intimidation at one of the more remote spots on the route.

Score: 0

[deleted]
12:30pm Mon 15 Apr 13

[deleted]

[quote][p][bold]Gooby![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BoscVegas[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]uvox44[/bold] wrote:
sadly given the anti-cyclist rants you see on here this is not surprising - it's about time some motorists got used to the fact that cyclists are here to stay , and in increasing numbers , as people realise that two wheels offers a sane alternative to pollution, traffic congestion, health issues and road damage.
And to answer the , wholly predictable, cyclists are all lycra terrorists who jump red lights, cycle on pavements and generally cause accidents brigade- no they're not, there are a minority of bad cyclists who do far less harm than the minority of bad motorists, so please change the record...[/p][/quote]it's because you are so self righteous. it can 't be that healthy as the vast majority of lycra louts you see are over weight and bald.[/p][/quote]Better than ignorant, fat, judgmental, un-educated and boring... oh, and wrong!
But hey, I wont hold it against you.[/p][/quote]haha thankfully your response proves my point.
so since your not gunna hold it against me perhaps we could meet for a pint and you could bore me with stories of how you bike cost £2k, how you are doing your bit for the environment and how the IBS you get from eating only organic lentils really isn't that bad.BoscVegas

Gooby! wrote…

BoscVegas wrote…

uvox44 wrote…

sadly given the anti-cyclist rants you see on here this is not surprising - it's about time some motorists got used to the fact that cyclists are here to stay , and in increasing numbers , as people realise that two wheels offers a sane alternative to pollution, traffic congestion, health issues and road damage.
And to answer the , wholly predictable, cyclists are all lycra terrorists who jump red lights, cycle on pavements and generally cause accidents brigade- no they're not, there are a minority of bad cyclists who do far less harm than the minority of bad motorists, so please change the record...

it's because you are so self righteous. it can 't be that healthy as the vast majority of lycra louts you see are over weight and bald.

so since your not gunna hold it against me perhaps we could meet for a pint and you could bore me with stories of how you bike cost £2k, how you are doing your bit for the environment and how the IBS you get from eating only organic lentils really isn't that bad.

Score: 0

[deleted]
12:40pm Mon 15 Apr 13

[deleted]

[quote][p][bold]BoscVegas[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Gooby![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BoscVegas[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]uvox44[/bold] wrote:
sadly given the anti-cyclist rants you see on here this is not surprising - it's about time some motorists got used to the fact that cyclists are here to stay , and in increasing numbers , as people realise that two wheels offers a sane alternative to pollution, traffic congestion, health issues and road damage.
And to answer the , wholly predictable, cyclists are all lycra terrorists who jump red lights, cycle on pavements and generally cause accidents brigade- no they're not, there are a minority of bad cyclists who do far less harm than the minority of bad motorists, so please change the record...[/p][/quote]it's because you are so self righteous. it can 't be that healthy as the vast majority of lycra louts you see are over weight and bald.[/p][/quote]Better than ignorant, fat, judgmental, un-educated and boring... oh, and wrong!
But hey, I wont hold it against you.[/p][/quote]haha thankfully your response proves my point.
so since your not gunna hold it against me perhaps we could meet for a pint and you could bore me with stories of how you bike cost £2k, how you are doing your bit for the environment and how the IBS you get from eating only organic lentils really isn't that bad.[/p][/quote]What a sadcase you are, it's Colin isn't it? using that silly username again eh? The amount of bile that appears in every post on here from your bedsit, give it a rest ffs!!Arthur Maureen

BoscVegas wrote…

Gooby! wrote…

BoscVegas wrote…

uvox44 wrote…

sadly given the anti-cyclist rants you see on here this is not surprising - it's about time some motorists got used to the fact that cyclists are here to stay , and in increasing numbers , as people realise that two wheels offers a sane alternative to pollution, traffic congestion, health issues and road damage.
And to answer the , wholly predictable, cyclists are all lycra terrorists who jump red lights, cycle on pavements and generally cause accidents brigade- no they're not, there are a minority of bad cyclists who do far less harm than the minority of bad motorists, so please change the record...

it's because you are so self righteous. it can 't be that healthy as the vast majority of lycra louts you see are over weight and bald.

so since your not gunna hold it against me perhaps we could meet for a pint and you could bore me with stories of how you bike cost £2k, how you are doing your bit for the environment and how the IBS you get from eating only organic lentils really isn't that bad.

What a sadcase you are, it's Colin isn't it? using that silly username again eh? The amount of bile that appears in every post on here from your bedsit, give it a rest ffs!!

Score: 0

retry69
12:43pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Franks Tank wrote…

retry69 wrote…

You really couldnt stoop much lower than this apart from physical abuse which has happened in the past,i actually feel ashamed that any human being could attempt to inflict injury and worse on someone else over what really is petty mindedness

There are actually reports of physical intimidation at one of the more remote spots on the route.

so i understand completely sickening

[quote][p][bold]Franks Tank[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]retry69[/bold] wrote:
You really couldnt stoop much lower than this apart from physical abuse which has happened in the past,i actually feel ashamed that any human being could attempt to inflict injury and worse on someone else over what really is petty mindedness[/p][/quote]There are actually reports of physical intimidation at one of the more remote spots on the route.[/p][/quote]so i understand completely sickeningretry69

Franks Tank wrote…

retry69 wrote…

You really couldnt stoop much lower than this apart from physical abuse which has happened in the past,i actually feel ashamed that any human being could attempt to inflict injury and worse on someone else over what really is petty mindedness

There are actually reports of physical intimidation at one of the more remote spots on the route.

so i understand completely sickening

Score: 0

[deleted]
12:45pm Mon 15 Apr 13

[deleted]

[quote][p][bold]BoscVegas[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Gooby![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BoscVegas[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]uvox44[/bold] wrote:
sadly given the anti-cyclist rants you see on here this is not surprising - it's about time some motorists got used to the fact that cyclists are here to stay , and in increasing numbers , as people realise that two wheels offers a sane alternative to pollution, traffic congestion, health issues and road damage.
And to answer the , wholly predictable, cyclists are all lycra terrorists who jump red lights, cycle on pavements and generally cause accidents brigade- no they're not, there are a minority of bad cyclists who do far less harm than the minority of bad motorists, so please change the record...[/p][/quote]it's because you are so self righteous. it can 't be that healthy as the vast majority of lycra louts you see are over weight and bald.[/p][/quote]Better than ignorant, fat, judgmental, un-educated and boring... oh, and wrong!
But hey, I wont hold it against you.[/p][/quote]haha thankfully your response proves my point.
so since your not gunna hold it against me perhaps we could meet for a pint and you could bore me with stories of how you bike cost £2k, how you are doing your bit for the environment and how the IBS you get from eating only organic lentils really isn't that bad.[/p][/quote]NAh! I am too busy on my £4k road bike or my £5k mountain bike or getting excited about the £7.5k enduro bike I have just ordered.
I have enough friends. Most of them are interesting, have an active life and do fun things while getting involved.
Thanks for the concern over my diet, very thoughtful.
My diet is great because I expend so many calories on the bikes, I can eat lovely steak whenever I please. I can have cake and all sorts of goodies without getting fat and ugly. Because I am fit enough to cycle over 100 miles cross country in one day, I can eat basically anything I like and not get to be a porker. I do tend to avoid junk food but that is because it doesnt taste good and I like to cook a great meal. Far more interesting than sitting in pubs all the time with bad watery beer. By the way, Organic lentils are delicious!
Anyway, I am busy boring people with the new racing suspension on my track car...Gooby!

BoscVegas wrote…

Gooby! wrote…

BoscVegas wrote…

uvox44 wrote…

sadly given the anti-cyclist rants you see on here this is not surprising - it's about time some motorists got used to the fact that cyclists are here to stay , and in increasing numbers , as people realise that two wheels offers a sane alternative to pollution, traffic congestion, health issues and road damage.
And to answer the , wholly predictable, cyclists are all lycra terrorists who jump red lights, cycle on pavements and generally cause accidents brigade- no they're not, there are a minority of bad cyclists who do far less harm than the minority of bad motorists, so please change the record...

it's because you are so self righteous. it can 't be that healthy as the vast majority of lycra louts you see are over weight and bald.

so since your not gunna hold it against me perhaps we could meet for a pint and you could bore me with stories of how you bike cost £2k, how you are doing your bit for the environment and how the IBS you get from eating only organic lentils really isn't that bad.

NAh! I am too busy on my £4k road bike or my £5k mountain bike or getting excited about the £7.5k enduro bike I have just ordered.

I have enough friends. Most of them are interesting, have an active life and do fun things while getting involved.

Thanks for the concern over my diet, very thoughtful.
My diet is great because I expend so many calories on the bikes, I can eat lovely steak whenever I please. I can have cake and all sorts of goodies without getting fat and ugly. Because I am fit enough to cycle over 100 miles cross country in one day, I can eat basically anything I like and not get to be a porker. I do tend to avoid junk food but that is because it doesnt taste good and I like to cook a great meal. Far more interesting than sitting in pubs all the time with bad watery beer. By the way, Organic lentils are delicious!

Anyway, I am busy boring people with the new racing suspension on my track car...

Score: 0

[deleted]
12:56pm Mon 15 Apr 13

[deleted]

[quote][p][bold]Gooby![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BoscVegas[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Gooby![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BoscVegas[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]uvox44[/bold] wrote:
sadly given the anti-cyclist rants you see on here this is not surprising - it's about time some motorists got used to the fact that cyclists are here to stay , and in increasing numbers , as people realise that two wheels offers a sane alternative to pollution, traffic congestion, health issues and road damage.
And to answer the , wholly predictable, cyclists are all lycra terrorists who jump red lights, cycle on pavements and generally cause accidents brigade- no they're not, there are a minority of bad cyclists who do far less harm than the minority of bad motorists, so please change the record...[/p][/quote]it's because you are so self righteous. it can 't be that healthy as the vast majority of lycra louts you see are over weight and bald.[/p][/quote]Better than ignorant, fat, judgmental, un-educated and boring... oh, and wrong!
But hey, I wont hold it against you.[/p][/quote]haha thankfully your response proves my point.
so since your not gunna hold it against me perhaps we could meet for a pint and you could bore me with stories of how you bike cost £2k, how you are doing your bit for the environment and how the IBS you get from eating only organic lentils really isn't that bad.[/p][/quote]NAh! I am too busy on my £4k road bike or my £5k mountain bike or getting excited about the £7.5k enduro bike I have just ordered.
I have enough friends. Most of them are interesting, have an active life and do fun things while getting involved.
Thanks for the concern over my diet, very thoughtful.
My diet is great because I expend so many calories on the bikes, I can eat lovely steak whenever I please. I can have cake and all sorts of goodies without getting fat and ugly. Because I am fit enough to cycle over 100 miles cross country in one day, I can eat basically anything I like and not get to be a porker. I do tend to avoid junk food but that is because it doesnt taste good and I like to cook a great meal. Far more interesting than sitting in pubs all the time with bad watery beer. By the way, Organic lentils are delicious!
Anyway, I am busy boring people with the new racing suspension on my track car...[/p][/quote]haha enjoyed that, well played.BoscVegas

Gooby! wrote…

BoscVegas wrote…

Gooby! wrote…

BoscVegas wrote…

uvox44 wrote…

sadly given the anti-cyclist rants you see on here this is not surprising - it's about time some motorists got used to the fact that cyclists are here to stay , and in increasing numbers , as people realise that two wheels offers a sane alternative to pollution, traffic congestion, health issues and road damage.
And to answer the , wholly predictable, cyclists are all lycra terrorists who jump red lights, cycle on pavements and generally cause accidents brigade- no they're not, there are a minority of bad cyclists who do far less harm than the minority of bad motorists, so please change the record...

it's because you are so self righteous. it can 't be that healthy as the vast majority of lycra louts you see are over weight and bald.

so since your not gunna hold it against me perhaps we could meet for a pint and you could bore me with stories of how you bike cost £2k, how you are doing your bit for the environment and how the IBS you get from eating only organic lentils really isn't that bad.

NAh! I am too busy on my £4k road bike or my £5k mountain bike or getting excited about the £7.5k enduro bike I have just ordered.

I have enough friends. Most of them are interesting, have an active life and do fun things while getting involved.

Thanks for the concern over my diet, very thoughtful.
My diet is great because I expend so many calories on the bikes, I can eat lovely steak whenever I please. I can have cake and all sorts of goodies without getting fat and ugly. Because I am fit enough to cycle over 100 miles cross country in one day, I can eat basically anything I like and not get to be a porker. I do tend to avoid junk food but that is because it doesnt taste good and I like to cook a great meal. Far more interesting than sitting in pubs all the time with bad watery beer. By the way, Organic lentils are delicious!

Anyway, I am busy boring people with the new racing suspension on my track car...

haha enjoyed that, well played.

Score: 0

[deleted]
1:03pm Mon 15 Apr 13

[deleted]

Anita Sibley, who runs the Vizzit New Forest website has stired this all up with local media. Her claims of carnage, and "what if" have all be unproven. But what she has achieved is vandalism and serious road safety issues with tacks being thrown around the forest.
And it gets better... By day she promotes tourism, 13.5 million NF visitors a year, and even advertises cycling businesses on her website. And then she stirs up all of this as it suits her personal agends. She has publicised signs claiming 6000 speeding cyclists, despite having all the correct facts.
and now even better... Her twitter account shows that she has taken part in chariety cycling events around the NF.charliethebikemonger

Anita Sibley, who runs the Vizzit New Forest website has stired this all up with local media. Her claims of carnage, and "what if" have all be unproven. But what she has achieved is vandalism and serious road safety issues with tacks being thrown around the forest.

And it gets better... By day she promotes tourism, 13.5 million NF visitors a year, and even advertises cycling businesses on her website. And then she stirs up all of this as it suits her personal agends. She has publicised signs claiming 6000 speeding cyclists, despite having all the correct facts.

and now even better... Her twitter account shows that she has taken part in chariety cycling events around the NF.

Score: 0

[deleted]
1:07pm Mon 15 Apr 13

[deleted]

[quote][p][bold]charliethebikemonger[/bold] wrote:
Anita Sibley, who runs the Vizzit New Forest website has stired this all up with local media. Her claims of carnage, and "what if" have all be unproven. But what she has achieved is vandalism and serious road safety issues with tacks being thrown around the forest.
And it gets better... By day she promotes tourism, 13.5 million NF visitors a year, and even advertises cycling businesses on her website. And then she stirs up all of this as it suits her personal agends. She has publicised signs claiming 6000 speeding cyclists, despite having all the correct facts.
and now even better... Her twitter account shows that she has taken part in chariety cycling events around the NF.[/p][/quote]What a two faced, nasty little NIMBY.Gooby!

charliethebikemonger wrote…

Anita Sibley, who runs the Vizzit New Forest website has stired this all up with local media. Her claims of carnage, and "what if" have all be unproven. But what she has achieved is vandalism and serious road safety issues with tacks being thrown around the forest.

And it gets better... By day she promotes tourism, 13.5 million NF visitors a year, and even advertises cycling businesses on her website. And then she stirs up all of this as it suits her personal agends. She has publicised signs claiming 6000 speeding cyclists, despite having all the correct facts.

and now even better... Her twitter account shows that she has taken part in chariety cycling events around the NF.

What a two faced, nasty little NIMBY.

Score: 0

kingstonpaul
1:09pm Mon 15 Apr 13

How depressing. Why do the comments after an incident like this have to degenerate into tribal factionalism?
Come on people, grow up, try and get on, and respect that the Forest is there for a multitude of users, whether it's two-wheels, four-wheels, four-legs, two-legs, etc

How depressing. Why do the comments after an incident like this have to degenerate into tribal factionalism?
Come on people, grow up, try and get on, and respect that the Forest is there for a multitude of users, whether it's two-wheels, four-wheels, four-legs, two-legs, etckingstonpaul

How depressing. Why do the comments after an incident like this have to degenerate into tribal factionalism?
Come on people, grow up, try and get on, and respect that the Forest is there for a multitude of users, whether it's two-wheels, four-wheels, four-legs, two-legs, etc

Score: 1

Dorset Logic
1:11pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Have I missed a point here somewhere - does this event happen every day?

If they don't want a national park with people enjoying outdoor activities, then let it lose it status as such. Build loads of houses and slap down the concrete. Don't worry the baby boomers who want everything for themselves only got another 10 years.

Have I missed a point here somewhere - does this event happen every day?
If they don't want a national park with people enjoying outdoor activities, then let it lose it status as such. Build loads of houses and slap down the concrete. Don't worry the baby boomers who want everything for themselves only got another 10 years.Dorset Logic

Have I missed a point here somewhere - does this event happen every day?

If they don't want a national park with people enjoying outdoor activities, then let it lose it status as such. Build loads of houses and slap down the concrete. Don't worry the baby boomers who want everything for themselves only got another 10 years.

Score: 1

[deleted]
1:11pm Mon 15 Apr 13

[deleted]

[quote][p][bold]BoscVegas[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Gooby![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BoscVegas[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Gooby![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BoscVegas[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]uvox44[/bold] wrote:
sadly given the anti-cyclist rants you see on here this is not surprising - it's about time some motorists got used to the fact that cyclists are here to stay , and in increasing numbers , as people realise that two wheels offers a sane alternative to pollution, traffic congestion, health issues and road damage.
And to answer the , wholly predictable, cyclists are all lycra terrorists who jump red lights, cycle on pavements and generally cause accidents brigade- no they're not, there are a minority of bad cyclists who do far less harm than the minority of bad motorists, so please change the record...[/p][/quote]it's because you are so self righteous. it can 't be that healthy as the vast majority of lycra louts you see are over weight and bald.[/p][/quote]Better than ignorant, fat, judgmental, un-educated and boring... oh, and wrong!
But hey, I wont hold it against you.[/p][/quote]haha thankfully your response proves my point.
so since your not gunna hold it against me perhaps we could meet for a pint and you could bore me with stories of how you bike cost £2k, how you are doing your bit for the environment and how the IBS you get from eating only organic lentils really isn't that bad.[/p][/quote]NAh! I am too busy on my £4k road bike or my £5k mountain bike or getting excited about the £7.5k enduro bike I have just ordered.
I have enough friends. Most of them are interesting, have an active life and do fun things while getting involved.
Thanks for the concern over my diet, very thoughtful.
My diet is great because I expend so many calories on the bikes, I can eat lovely steak whenever I please. I can have cake and all sorts of goodies without getting fat and ugly. Because I am fit enough to cycle over 100 miles cross country in one day, I can eat basically anything I like and not get to be a porker. I do tend to avoid junk food but that is because it doesnt taste good and I like to cook a great meal. Far more interesting than sitting in pubs all the time with bad watery beer. By the way, Organic lentils are delicious!
Anyway, I am busy boring people with the new racing suspension on my track car...[/p][/quote]haha enjoyed that, well played.[/p][/quote]Played?
Nope.
Some of us are just that cool!Gooby!

BoscVegas wrote…

Gooby! wrote…

BoscVegas wrote…

Gooby! wrote…

BoscVegas wrote…

uvox44 wrote…

sadly given the anti-cyclist rants you see on here this is not surprising - it's about time some motorists got used to the fact that cyclists are here to stay , and in increasing numbers , as people realise that two wheels offers a sane alternative to pollution, traffic congestion, health issues and road damage.
And to answer the , wholly predictable, cyclists are all lycra terrorists who jump red lights, cycle on pavements and generally cause accidents brigade- no they're not, there are a minority of bad cyclists who do far less harm than the minority of bad motorists, so please change the record...

it's because you are so self righteous. it can 't be that healthy as the vast majority of lycra louts you see are over weight and bald.

so since your not gunna hold it against me perhaps we could meet for a pint and you could bore me with stories of how you bike cost £2k, how you are doing your bit for the environment and how the IBS you get from eating only organic lentils really isn't that bad.

NAh! I am too busy on my £4k road bike or my £5k mountain bike or getting excited about the £7.5k enduro bike I have just ordered.

I have enough friends. Most of them are interesting, have an active life and do fun things while getting involved.

Thanks for the concern over my diet, very thoughtful.
My diet is great because I expend so many calories on the bikes, I can eat lovely steak whenever I please. I can have cake and all sorts of goodies without getting fat and ugly. Because I am fit enough to cycle over 100 miles cross country in one day, I can eat basically anything I like and not get to be a porker. I do tend to avoid junk food but that is because it doesnt taste good and I like to cook a great meal. Far more interesting than sitting in pubs all the time with bad watery beer. By the way, Organic lentils are delicious!

Anyway, I am busy boring people with the new racing suspension on my track car...

haha enjoyed that, well played.

Played?
Nope.
Some of us are just that cool!

Score: 0

madras
1:23pm Mon 15 Apr 13

As a young lad I spent many happy Sundays riding around the new forest, breakfast runs, all days. Great area that should be shared with all. But then I like to think we were also aware of all the other people who liked to enjoy the forest. And this was before the mountain biking thing caused the forest tracks to be closed...

As a young lad I spent many happy Sundays riding around the new forest, breakfast runs, all days. Great area that should be shared with all. But then I like to think we were also aware of all the other people who liked to enjoy the forest. And this was before the mountain biking thing caused the forest tracks to be closed...madras

As a young lad I spent many happy Sundays riding around the new forest, breakfast runs, all days. Great area that should be shared with all. But then I like to think we were also aware of all the other people who liked to enjoy the forest. And this was before the mountain biking thing caused the forest tracks to be closed...

Score: 0

Gooby!
1:26pm Mon 15 Apr 13

madras wrote…

As a young lad I spent many happy Sundays riding around the new forest, breakfast runs, all days. Great area that should be shared with all. But then I like to think we were also aware of all the other people who liked to enjoy the forest. And this was before the mountain biking thing caused the forest tracks to be closed...

eh? I have never seen a closed forest track (unless it is for "forest operations"). Especially not one closed because of mountain bikes.

University studies have shown that a well ridden mountain bke does no more damage than a walker.

Horses cause far more damage to trails and tracks.

[quote][p][bold]madras[/bold] wrote:
As a young lad I spent many happy Sundays riding around the new forest, breakfast runs, all days. Great area that should be shared with all. But then I like to think we were also aware of all the other people who liked to enjoy the forest. And this was before the mountain biking thing caused the forest tracks to be closed...[/p][/quote]eh? I have never seen a closed forest track (unless it is for "forest operations"). Especially not one closed because of mountain bikes.
University studies have shown that a well ridden mountain bke does no more damage than a walker.
Horses cause far more damage to trails and tracks.Gooby!

madras wrote…

As a young lad I spent many happy Sundays riding around the new forest, breakfast runs, all days. Great area that should be shared with all. But then I like to think we were also aware of all the other people who liked to enjoy the forest. And this was before the mountain biking thing caused the forest tracks to be closed...

eh? I have never seen a closed forest track (unless it is for "forest operations"). Especially not one closed because of mountain bikes.

University studies have shown that a well ridden mountain bke does no more damage than a walker.

Horses cause far more damage to trails and tracks.

Score: 0

litespeed
1:32pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Thanks to all the police and wiggle support workers who made this such a great event. Its a shame some mindless idiots sought to sabotage or injure other human beings
From what i saw there were many more people along the route supporting the riders and offering encouragement than there were protesters. On balance more people enjoyed having the event than protested against it.
There is room for cars, horses and cyclists in the area. People just need to get on with their lives and I truly hope that the catch those idiotic fools who sought to ruin an event and injure participants.

Thanks to all the police and wiggle support workers who made this such a great event. Its a shame some mindless idiots sought to sabotage or injure other human beings
From what i saw there were many more people along the route supporting the riders and offering encouragement than there were protesters. On balance more people enjoyed having the event than protested against it.
There is room for cars, horses and cyclists in the area. People just need to get on with their lives and I truly hope that the catch those idiotic fools who sought to ruin an event and injure participants.litespeed

Thanks to all the police and wiggle support workers who made this such a great event. Its a shame some mindless idiots sought to sabotage or injure other human beings
From what i saw there were many more people along the route supporting the riders and offering encouragement than there were protesters. On balance more people enjoyed having the event than protested against it.
There is room for cars, horses and cyclists in the area. People just need to get on with their lives and I truly hope that the catch those idiotic fools who sought to ruin an event and injure participants.

Score: 2

[deleted]
1:33pm Mon 15 Apr 13

[deleted]

[quote][p][bold]Gooby![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BoscVegas[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Gooby![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BoscVegas[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Gooby![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]BoscVegas[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]uvox44[/bold] wrote:
sadly given the anti-cyclist rants you see on here this is not surprising - it's about time some motorists got used to the fact that cyclists are here to stay , and in increasing numbers , as people realise that two wheels offers a sane alternative to pollution, traffic congestion, health issues and road damage.
And to answer the , wholly predictable, cyclists are all lycra terrorists who jump red lights, cycle on pavements and generally cause accidents brigade- no they're not, there are a minority of bad cyclists who do far less harm than the minority of bad motorists, so please change the record...[/p][/quote]it's because you are so self righteous. it can 't be that healthy as the vast majority of lycra louts you see are over weight and bald.[/p][/quote]Better than ignorant, fat, judgmental, un-educated and boring... oh, and wrong!
But hey, I wont hold it against you.[/p][/quote]haha thankfully your response proves my point.
so since your not gunna hold it against me perhaps we could meet for a pint and you could bore me with stories of how you bike cost £2k, how you are doing your bit for the environment and how the IBS you get from eating only organic lentils really isn't that bad.[/p][/quote]NAh! I am too busy on my £4k road bike or my £5k mountain bike or getting excited about the £7.5k enduro bike I have just ordered.
I have enough friends. Most of them are interesting, have an active life and do fun things while getting involved.
Thanks for the concern over my diet, very thoughtful.
My diet is great because I expend so many calories on the bikes, I can eat lovely steak whenever I please. I can have cake and all sorts of goodies without getting fat and ugly. Because I am fit enough to cycle over 100 miles cross country in one day, I can eat basically anything I like and not get to be a porker. I do tend to avoid junk food but that is because it doesnt taste good and I like to cook a great meal. Far more interesting than sitting in pubs all the time with bad watery beer. By the way, Organic lentils are delicious!
Anyway, I am busy boring people with the new racing suspension on my track car...[/p][/quote]haha enjoyed that, well played.[/p][/quote]Played?
Nope.
Some of us are just that cool![/p][/quote]it's not cool to refer to yourself as cool though. but don't worry because I still want to be your friend. you can tell me how much some more of your possessions cost and I can qasp in wonderment. what kettle have you got?BoscVegas

Gooby! wrote…

BoscVegas wrote…

Gooby! wrote…

BoscVegas wrote…

Gooby! wrote…

BoscVegas wrote…

uvox44 wrote…

sadly given the anti-cyclist rants you see on here this is not surprising - it's about time some motorists got used to the fact that cyclists are here to stay , and in increasing numbers , as people realise that two wheels offers a sane alternative to pollution, traffic congestion, health issues and road damage.
And to answer the , wholly predictable, cyclists are all lycra terrorists who jump red lights, cycle on pavements and generally cause accidents brigade- no they're not, there are a minority of bad cyclists who do far less harm than the minority of bad motorists, so please change the record...

it's because you are so self righteous. it can 't be that healthy as the vast majority of lycra louts you see are over weight and bald.

so since your not gunna hold it against me perhaps we could meet for a pint and you could bore me with stories of how you bike cost £2k, how you are doing your bit for the environment and how the IBS you get from eating only organic lentils really isn't that bad.

NAh! I am too busy on my £4k road bike or my £5k mountain bike or getting excited about the £7.5k enduro bike I have just ordered.

I have enough friends. Most of them are interesting, have an active life and do fun things while getting involved.

Thanks for the concern over my diet, very thoughtful.
My diet is great because I expend so many calories on the bikes, I can eat lovely steak whenever I please. I can have cake and all sorts of goodies without getting fat and ugly. Because I am fit enough to cycle over 100 miles cross country in one day, I can eat basically anything I like and not get to be a porker. I do tend to avoid junk food but that is because it doesnt taste good and I like to cook a great meal. Far more interesting than sitting in pubs all the time with bad watery beer. By the way, Organic lentils are delicious!

Anyway, I am busy boring people with the new racing suspension on my track car...

haha enjoyed that, well played.

Played?
Nope.
Some of us are just that cool!

it's not cool to refer to yourself as cool though. but don't worry because I still want to be your friend. you can tell me how much some more of your possessions cost and I can qasp in wonderment. what kettle have you got?

Score: 0

[deleted]
1:41pm Mon 15 Apr 13

[deleted]

"What a two faced, nasty little NIMBY.”
funny that... She goes by two names, also Gresham-Hale. She has made a gigantic fuss, drawing in issues from the firebrigade regarding access, without the fire services having a problem with this event.
The whole thing is fabricated... and this by someone who is paid by NF businesses to promote tourism.
Oddly she seems to be a lot less vocal now.charliethebikemonger

"What a two faced, nasty little NIMBY.”

funny that... She goes by two names, also Gresham-Hale. She has made a gigantic fuss, drawing in issues from the firebrigade regarding access, without the fire services having a problem with this event.

The whole thing is fabricated... and this by someone who is paid by NF businesses to promote tourism.

Oddly she seems to be a lot less vocal now.

Score: 0

charliethebikemonger
2:01pm Mon 15 Apr 13

"eh? I have never seen a closed forest track (unless it is for "forest operations"). Especially not one closed because of mountain bikes.”"...

the NF only has a dozen or so miles of legal off road. There is miles and miles of gravel roads where cycling is banned.

"eh? I have never seen a closed forest track (unless it is for "forest operations"). Especially not one closed because of mountain bikes.”"...
the NF only has a dozen or so miles of legal off road. There is miles and miles of gravel roads where cycling is banned.charliethebikemonger

"eh? I have never seen a closed forest track (unless it is for "forest operations"). Especially not one closed because of mountain bikes.”"...

the NF only has a dozen or so miles of legal off road. There is miles and miles of gravel roads where cycling is banned.

Score: 1

portia6
2:22pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Dorset Logic wrote…

Have I missed a point here somewhere - does this event happen every day?

If they don't want a national park with people enjoying outdoor activities, then let it lose it status as such. Build loads of houses and slap down the concrete. Don't worry the baby boomers who want everything for themselves only got another 10 years.

Good point Dorset Logic! Some locals
really are small-minded, I can't believe
that they would stoop to throwing tacks
on the roads. The Forest will just be
like a deserted town and businesses
will suffer!

[quote][p][bold]Dorset Logic[/bold] wrote:
Have I missed a point here somewhere - does this event happen every day?
If they don't want a national park with people enjoying outdoor activities, then let it lose it status as such. Build loads of houses and slap down the concrete. Don't worry the baby boomers who want everything for themselves only got another 10 years.[/p][/quote]Good point Dorset Logic! Some locals
really are small-minded, I can't believe
that they would stoop to throwing tacks
on the roads. The Forest will just be
like a deserted town and businesses
will suffer!portia6

Dorset Logic wrote…

Have I missed a point here somewhere - does this event happen every day?

If they don't want a national park with people enjoying outdoor activities, then let it lose it status as such. Build loads of houses and slap down the concrete. Don't worry the baby boomers who want everything for themselves only got another 10 years.

Good point Dorset Logic! Some locals
really are small-minded, I can't believe
that they would stoop to throwing tacks
on the roads. The Forest will just be
like a deserted town and businesses
will suffer!

Score: 1

Frank Spencer
2:26pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Really depressing to read about these foolhardy goings on. Particularly the potential danger caused to the wildlife and other users by putting tacks down on the roads. Most of the quieter roads are well used by the ponies, cattle etc. Yes it is also dangerous to walkers, horse riders, dog walkers and children but the wild animals are the ones most likely to suffer if they get one or more tacks stuck in them and don't get attention. There are some real unpleasant idiots locally it would appear.

Really depressing to read about these foolhardy goings on. Particularly the potential danger caused to the wildlife and other users by putting tacks down on the roads. Most of the quieter roads are well used by the ponies, cattle etc. Yes it is also dangerous to walkers, horse riders, dog walkers and children but the wild animals are the ones most likely to suffer if they get one or more tacks stuck in them and don't get attention. There are some real unpleasant idiots locally it would appear.Frank Spencer

Really depressing to read about these foolhardy goings on. Particularly the potential danger caused to the wildlife and other users by putting tacks down on the roads. Most of the quieter roads are well used by the ponies, cattle etc. Yes it is also dangerous to walkers, horse riders, dog walkers and children but the wild animals are the ones most likely to suffer if they get one or more tacks stuck in them and don't get attention. There are some real unpleasant idiots locally it would appear.

Score: 1

PigWhistle0709
2:41pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Gooby! wrote…

madras wrote…

As a young lad I spent many happy Sundays riding around the new forest, breakfast runs, all days. Great area that should be shared with all. But then I like to think we were also aware of all the other people who liked to enjoy the forest. And this was before the mountain biking thing caused the forest tracks to be closed...

eh? I have never seen a closed forest track (unless it is for "forest operations"). Especially not one closed because of mountain bikes.

University studies have shown that a well ridden mountain bke does no more damage than a walker.

Horses cause far more damage to trails and tracks.

I regularly cycled across the Forest for more than two years between village A and B, mostly on the road but saving about three miles by riding through an inclosure. At the time, any gravel and possibly muddy track could be cycled on. A few years later restrictions were introduced that meant only certain waymarked gravel tracks could be used, so you could still cycle on the Forest but not necessarily if you wanted to get to where you had to be. This seems to be the track closing event refered to.

[quote][p][bold]Gooby![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]madras[/bold] wrote:
As a young lad I spent many happy Sundays riding around the new forest, breakfast runs, all days. Great area that should be shared with all. But then I like to think we were also aware of all the other people who liked to enjoy the forest. And this was before the mountain biking thing caused the forest tracks to be closed...[/p][/quote]eh? I have never seen a closed forest track (unless it is for "forest operations"). Especially not one closed because of mountain bikes.
University studies have shown that a well ridden mountain bke does no more damage than a walker.
Horses cause far more damage to trails and tracks.[/p][/quote]I regularly cycled across the Forest for more than two years between village A and B, mostly on the road but saving about three miles by riding through an inclosure. At the time, any gravel and possibly muddy track could be cycled on. A few years later restrictions were introduced that meant only certain waymarked gravel tracks could be used, so you could still cycle on the Forest but not necessarily if you wanted to get to where you had to be. This seems to be the track closing event refered to.PigWhistle0709

Gooby! wrote…

madras wrote…

As a young lad I spent many happy Sundays riding around the new forest, breakfast runs, all days. Great area that should be shared with all. But then I like to think we were also aware of all the other people who liked to enjoy the forest. And this was before the mountain biking thing caused the forest tracks to be closed...

eh? I have never seen a closed forest track (unless it is for "forest operations"). Especially not one closed because of mountain bikes.

University studies have shown that a well ridden mountain bke does no more damage than a walker.

Horses cause far more damage to trails and tracks.

I regularly cycled across the Forest for more than two years between village A and B, mostly on the road but saving about three miles by riding through an inclosure. At the time, any gravel and possibly muddy track could be cycled on. A few years later restrictions were introduced that meant only certain waymarked gravel tracks could be used, so you could still cycle on the Forest but not necessarily if you wanted to get to where you had to be. This seems to be the track closing event refered to.

Score: 0

PigWhistle0709
2:46pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Dorset Logic wrote…

Have I missed a point here somewhere - does this event happen every day?

If they don't want a national park with people enjoying outdoor activities, then let it lose it status as such. Build loads of houses and slap down the concrete. Don't worry the baby boomers who want everything for themselves only got another 10 years.

A point you might have missed is that the Forest survived pretty well without getting covered in houses and concrete for close on 1 000 years without a National Park Authority, which therefore seems somewhat superflous...

[quote][p][bold]Dorset Logic[/bold] wrote:
Have I missed a point here somewhere - does this event happen every day?
If they don't want a national park with people enjoying outdoor activities, then let it lose it status as such. Build loads of houses and slap down the concrete. Don't worry the baby boomers who want everything for themselves only got another 10 years.[/p][/quote]A point you might have missed is that the Forest survived pretty well without getting covered in houses and concrete for close on 1 000 years without a National Park Authority, which therefore seems somewhat superflous...PigWhistle0709

Dorset Logic wrote…

Have I missed a point here somewhere - does this event happen every day?

If they don't want a national park with people enjoying outdoor activities, then let it lose it status as such. Build loads of houses and slap down the concrete. Don't worry the baby boomers who want everything for themselves only got another 10 years.

A point you might have missed is that the Forest survived pretty well without getting covered in houses and concrete for close on 1 000 years without a National Park Authority, which therefore seems somewhat superflous...

Score: 0

samjdavis
3:02pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Can we get rid of all the horses in the New Forest too?

They are a nuisance and slow down my journey no end.

The point of life is to get from A to B as quick as possible, so lets please make this happen.

Can we get rid of all the horses in the New Forest too?
They are a nuisance and slow down my journey no end.
The point of life is to get from A to B as quick as possible, so lets please make this happen.samjdavis

Can we get rid of all the horses in the New Forest too?

They are a nuisance and slow down my journey no end.

The point of life is to get from A to B as quick as possible, so lets please make this happen.

Score: -1

PigWhistle0709
3:05pm Mon 15 Apr 13

As for the main topic, it may be a fine deviding line between those who visit the Forest, some of them on or bringing bikes with them, to see what it has to offer and by doing so enjoy themselves and those who visit for a massed sporting event in a convenient open space, bringing their cycles, paying extra to a third party for the privelige and also by doing so enjoy themselves but that line is still clear.

The independents would appear to have some interest in the Forest as well as in cycling, rather than just in cycling. They would spend as much per capita on accomodation, meals, etc., and would be spread out both geographically and in time, instead of all being on the same route at the same time on the same day.

It is therefore hardly Nimbyism to argue for the version that provides greatest benefit to both residents and visitors by minimising disruption and, it now appears, opportunities for the provocation of confrontation.

The only reason anyone could have for joining the massed event and paying a fee has to be competition (not a race, claim the organisers) when the same activity can be had singly or in small (family or friends) groups for free.

It should be clear which variety of visitor the Forest could therefore get by without.

As for the main topic, it may be a fine deviding line between those who visit the Forest, some of them on or bringing bikes with them, to see what it has to offer and by doing so enjoy themselves and those who visit for a massed sporting event in a convenient open space, bringing their cycles, paying extra to a third party for the privelige and also by doing so enjoy themselves but that line is still clear.
The independents would appear to have some interest in the Forest as well as in cycling, rather than just in cycling. They would spend as much per capita on accomodation, meals, etc., and would be spread out both geographically and in time, instead of all being on the same route at the same time on the same day.
It is therefore hardly Nimbyism to argue for the version that provides greatest benefit to both residents and visitors by minimising disruption and, it now appears, opportunities for the provocation of confrontation.
The only reason anyone could have for joining the massed event and paying a fee has to be competition (not a race, claim the organisers) when the same activity can be had singly or in small (family or friends) groups for free.
It should be clear which variety of visitor the Forest could therefore get by without.PigWhistle0709

As for the main topic, it may be a fine deviding line between those who visit the Forest, some of them on or bringing bikes with them, to see what it has to offer and by doing so enjoy themselves and those who visit for a massed sporting event in a convenient open space, bringing their cycles, paying extra to a third party for the privelige and also by doing so enjoy themselves but that line is still clear.

The independents would appear to have some interest in the Forest as well as in cycling, rather than just in cycling. They would spend as much per capita on accomodation, meals, etc., and would be spread out both geographically and in time, instead of all being on the same route at the same time on the same day.

It is therefore hardly Nimbyism to argue for the version that provides greatest benefit to both residents and visitors by minimising disruption and, it now appears, opportunities for the provocation of confrontation.

The only reason anyone could have for joining the massed event and paying a fee has to be competition (not a race, claim the organisers) when the same activity can be had singly or in small (family or friends) groups for free.

It should be clear which variety of visitor the Forest could therefore get by without.

Score: 0

Freddddd
3:13pm Mon 15 Apr 13

I participated to the sportive. The rain and the wind made it pretty challenging. The absence of direction ( I got confused as signs got taken off by vandalls) made it even more challenging and I missed a turn. Animals did not care at all about me and seemt pretty relaxed. I participate to many sportives, mainly for charities, but this one was far too crowded and can understand some locals are irritated. There were too many cyclists and my car nearly got stuck in the mud on the car park as someone did not bother to move her 4x4 to clear the way, I had to go around the car park in reverse, ploughing the field (more torque). However I got a really bad impression of the locals. As a French and Breton I also sailed to the isle of Wright and the Brits laugh a lot about Essex chavs and Newcastle inhabitants, but I am afraid "commoners" in New Forest or people on the isle of Wright (though you have many "Chelsea like" that made it much worst) did not look better to me, they just have more money and bigger cars than in the North. At least I know where not to spend my bank holidays in May. On the opposite you have areas like Sevenoaks, Edenbridge or Cornwall full of nice and charming people. Drivers are more respectful of cyclists in France too but I did not have any issues with them on Saturday. I admit some areas in France are the same, but you should think before insulting cyclist and putting nails or stuff like that that will harm ponies' feet. I probably will not go to New Forest soon, if that can make you happy.

I participated to the sportive. The rain and the wind made it pretty challenging. The absence of direction ( I got confused as signs got taken off by vandalls) made it even more challenging and I missed a turn. Animals did not care at all about me and seemt pretty relaxed. I participate to many sportives, mainly for charities, but this one was far too crowded and can understand some locals are irritated. There were too many cyclists and my car nearly got stuck in the mud on the car park as someone did not bother to move her 4x4 to clear the way, I had to go around the car park in reverse, ploughing the field (more torque). However I got a really bad impression of the locals. As a French and Breton I also sailed to the isle of Wright and the Brits laugh a lot about Essex chavs and Newcastle inhabitants, but I am afraid "commoners" in New Forest or people on the isle of Wright (though you have many "Chelsea like" that made it much worst) did not look better to me, they just have more money and bigger cars than in the North. At least I know where not to spend my bank holidays in May. On the opposite you have areas like Sevenoaks, Edenbridge or Cornwall full of nice and charming people. Drivers are more respectful of cyclists in France too but I did not have any issues with them on Saturday. I admit some areas in France are the same, but you should think before insulting cyclist and putting nails or stuff like that that will harm ponies' feet. I probably will not go to New Forest soon, if that can make you happy.Freddddd

I participated to the sportive. The rain and the wind made it pretty challenging. The absence of direction ( I got confused as signs got taken off by vandalls) made it even more challenging and I missed a turn. Animals did not care at all about me and seemt pretty relaxed. I participate to many sportives, mainly for charities, but this one was far too crowded and can understand some locals are irritated. There were too many cyclists and my car nearly got stuck in the mud on the car park as someone did not bother to move her 4x4 to clear the way, I had to go around the car park in reverse, ploughing the field (more torque). However I got a really bad impression of the locals. As a French and Breton I also sailed to the isle of Wright and the Brits laugh a lot about Essex chavs and Newcastle inhabitants, but I am afraid "commoners" in New Forest or people on the isle of Wright (though you have many "Chelsea like" that made it much worst) did not look better to me, they just have more money and bigger cars than in the North. At least I know where not to spend my bank holidays in May. On the opposite you have areas like Sevenoaks, Edenbridge or Cornwall full of nice and charming people. Drivers are more respectful of cyclists in France too but I did not have any issues with them on Saturday. I admit some areas in France are the same, but you should think before insulting cyclist and putting nails or stuff like that that will harm ponies' feet. I probably will not go to New Forest soon, if that can make you happy.

Score: 1

cycletourer
3:25pm Mon 15 Apr 13

scrumpyjack wrote…

purbeckgirl wrote…

I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?

Can't say I have experienced the same.

But then I do not feel I own the road and "feel some sympathy" for other road users.

Does that include closing the roads around Schools twice a day when you have a large quantity of people using them.Got no problems with that.Ease congestion and everyone can walk to school.The NHS is now saved from obesity.

[quote][p][bold]scrumpyjack[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]purbeckgirl[/bold] wrote:
I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?[/p][/quote]Can't say I have experienced the same.
But then I do not feel I own the road and "feel some sympathy" for other road users.[/p][/quote]Does that include closing the roads around Schools twice a day when you have a large quantity of people using them.Got no problems with that.Ease congestion and everyone can walk to school.The NHS is now saved from obesity.cycletourer

scrumpyjack wrote…

purbeckgirl wrote…

I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?

Can't say I have experienced the same.

But then I do not feel I own the road and "feel some sympathy" for other road users.

Does that include closing the roads around Schools twice a day when you have a large quantity of people using them.Got no problems with that.Ease congestion and everyone can walk to school.The NHS is now saved from obesity.

Score: 1

macjames
3:30pm Mon 15 Apr 13

I ran the last New Forest Half Marathon which took me much longer than this bike ride would've, had closed roads and heaps of support and feed stations across the route.

Why are people happy to wait for me run through the forest but wouldn't be happy for me to cycle? I'm the same guy doing something very similar.

I ran the last New Forest Half Marathon which took me much longer than this bike ride would've, had closed roads and heaps of support and feed stations across the route.
Why are people happy to wait for me run through the forest but wouldn't be happy for me to cycle? I'm the same guy doing something very similar.macjames

I ran the last New Forest Half Marathon which took me much longer than this bike ride would've, had closed roads and heaps of support and feed stations across the route.

Why are people happy to wait for me run through the forest but wouldn't be happy for me to cycle? I'm the same guy doing something very similar.

Score: 1

Mrspud28
3:33pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Inbred brainless locals at work here I'm afraid. They clearly don't realise the importance of tourism in the new forest.

Inbred brainless locals at work here I'm afraid. They clearly don't realise the importance of tourism in the new forest.Mrspud28

Inbred brainless locals at work here I'm afraid. They clearly don't realise the importance of tourism in the new forest.

Score: 1

Gooby!
3:43pm Mon 15 Apr 13

PigWhistle0709 wrote…

As for the main topic, it may be a fine deviding line between those who visit the Forest, some of them on or bringing bikes with them, to see what it has to offer and by doing so enjoy themselves and those who visit for a massed sporting event in a convenient open space, bringing their cycles, paying extra to a third party for the privelige and also by doing so enjoy themselves but that line is still clear.

The independents would appear to have some interest in the Forest as well as in cycling, rather than just in cycling. They would spend as much per capita on accomodation, meals, etc., and would be spread out both geographically and in time, instead of all being on the same route at the same time on the same day.

It is therefore hardly Nimbyism to argue for the version that provides greatest benefit to both residents and visitors by minimising disruption and, it now appears, opportunities for the provocation of confrontation.

The only reason anyone could have for joining the massed event and paying a fee has to be competition (not a race, claim the organisers) when the same activity can be had singly or in small (family or friends) groups for free.

It should be clear which variety of visitor the Forest could therefore get by without.

No - for competition you need a race licence. You need a whole different set of equipment and far more dedication. A sportive such as this allows you to meet like minded people, enjoy the scenery. It is a distance you can set yourself a challenge and next time go for the longer distance or even improve your time. Serious cyclists indulge in thier sport regularly and this gives an oppertunity to follow a new route and see things you dont see every weekend. It is also (in some way) a celebration of cycling. Many people adopt this challenge and obtain charitable sponsorship. People get fitter and the whole event is fun.

This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals. It was prepared legally and operated legally. This is the nations park and should be available to the people of the nation to enjoy in whatever way they see fit as long as it is within the constraints of the law (as this was). Cyclists have the right to enjoy this type of event. We have the right to enjoy it without persecution and harassment from idiot locals who can not get the event stopped by democratic and legal means. Many of our grandfathers died to protect these rights.

I have not yet met one single operator of a small business who has said we could do with less business! what a stupid thing to say.

[quote][p][bold]PigWhistle0709[/bold] wrote:
As for the main topic, it may be a fine deviding line between those who visit the Forest, some of them on or bringing bikes with them, to see what it has to offer and by doing so enjoy themselves and those who visit for a massed sporting event in a convenient open space, bringing their cycles, paying extra to a third party for the privelige and also by doing so enjoy themselves but that line is still clear.
The independents would appear to have some interest in the Forest as well as in cycling, rather than just in cycling. They would spend as much per capita on accomodation, meals, etc., and would be spread out both geographically and in time, instead of all being on the same route at the same time on the same day.
It is therefore hardly Nimbyism to argue for the version that provides greatest benefit to both residents and visitors by minimising disruption and, it now appears, opportunities for the provocation of confrontation.
The only reason anyone could have for joining the massed event and paying a fee has to be competition (not a race, claim the organisers) when the same activity can be had singly or in small (family or friends) groups for free.
It should be clear which variety of visitor the Forest could therefore get by without.[/p][/quote]No - for competition you need a race licence. You need a whole different set of equipment and far more dedication. A sportive such as this allows you to meet like minded people, enjoy the scenery. It is a distance you can set yourself a challenge and next time go for the longer distance or even improve your time. Serious cyclists indulge in thier sport regularly and this gives an oppertunity to follow a new route and see things you dont see every weekend. It is also (in some way) a celebration of cycling. Many people adopt this challenge and obtain charitable sponsorship. People get fitter and the whole event is fun.
This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals. It was prepared legally and operated legally. This is the nations park and should be available to the people of the nation to enjoy in whatever way they see fit as long as it is within the constraints of the law (as this was). Cyclists have the right to enjoy this type of event. We have the right to enjoy it without persecution and harassment from idiot locals who can not get the event stopped by democratic and legal means. Many of our grandfathers died to protect these rights.
I have not yet met one single operator of a small business who has said we could do with less business! what a stupid thing to say.Gooby!

PigWhistle0709 wrote…

As for the main topic, it may be a fine deviding line between those who visit the Forest, some of them on or bringing bikes with them, to see what it has to offer and by doing so enjoy themselves and those who visit for a massed sporting event in a convenient open space, bringing their cycles, paying extra to a third party for the privelige and also by doing so enjoy themselves but that line is still clear.

The independents would appear to have some interest in the Forest as well as in cycling, rather than just in cycling. They would spend as much per capita on accomodation, meals, etc., and would be spread out both geographically and in time, instead of all being on the same route at the same time on the same day.

It is therefore hardly Nimbyism to argue for the version that provides greatest benefit to both residents and visitors by minimising disruption and, it now appears, opportunities for the provocation of confrontation.

The only reason anyone could have for joining the massed event and paying a fee has to be competition (not a race, claim the organisers) when the same activity can be had singly or in small (family or friends) groups for free.

It should be clear which variety of visitor the Forest could therefore get by without.

No - for competition you need a race licence. You need a whole different set of equipment and far more dedication. A sportive such as this allows you to meet like minded people, enjoy the scenery. It is a distance you can set yourself a challenge and next time go for the longer distance or even improve your time. Serious cyclists indulge in thier sport regularly and this gives an oppertunity to follow a new route and see things you dont see every weekend. It is also (in some way) a celebration of cycling. Many people adopt this challenge and obtain charitable sponsorship. People get fitter and the whole event is fun.

This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals. It was prepared legally and operated legally. This is the nations park and should be available to the people of the nation to enjoy in whatever way they see fit as long as it is within the constraints of the law (as this was). Cyclists have the right to enjoy this type of event. We have the right to enjoy it without persecution and harassment from idiot locals who can not get the event stopped by democratic and legal means. Many of our grandfathers died to protect these rights.

I have not yet met one single operator of a small business who has said we could do with less business! what a stupid thing to say.

Score: 0

cycletourer
3:49pm Mon 15 Apr 13

macjames wrote…

I ran the last New Forest Half Marathon which took me much longer than this bike ride would've, had closed roads and heaps of support and feed stations across the route.

Why are people happy to wait for me run through the forest but wouldn't be happy for me to cycle? I'm the same guy doing something very similar.

These are Cyclist.Just that word is enough to put hatred their way.It's something we get use to unfortuantly.

[quote][p][bold]macjames[/bold] wrote:
I ran the last New Forest Half Marathon which took me much longer than this bike ride would've, had closed roads and heaps of support and feed stations across the route.
Why are people happy to wait for me run through the forest but wouldn't be happy for me to cycle? I'm the same guy doing something very similar.[/p][/quote]These are Cyclist.Just that word is enough to put hatred their way.It's something we get use to unfortuantly.cycletourer

macjames wrote…

I ran the last New Forest Half Marathon which took me much longer than this bike ride would've, had closed roads and heaps of support and feed stations across the route.

Why are people happy to wait for me run through the forest but wouldn't be happy for me to cycle? I'm the same guy doing something very similar.

These are Cyclist.Just that word is enough to put hatred their way.It's something we get use to unfortuantly.

Score: 1

hadvar
4:35pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Whatever else is said, surely putting tacks on the road is going to harm the wildlife that these people are claiming they want to protect. Completely hatstand. William I probably didn't torch every village twixt Test and Avon to produce a new hunting ground. He probably did so after a 10 minute conversation with the locals...

Whatever else is said, surely putting tacks on the road is going to harm the wildlife that these people are claiming they want to protect. Completely hatstand. William I probably didn't torch every village twixt Test and Avon to produce a new hunting ground. He probably did so after a 10 minute conversation with the locals...hadvar

Whatever else is said, surely putting tacks on the road is going to harm the wildlife that these people are claiming they want to protect. Completely hatstand. William I probably didn't torch every village twixt Test and Avon to produce a new hunting ground. He probably did so after a 10 minute conversation with the locals...

Score: 0

Dorset Logic
4:47pm Mon 15 Apr 13

PigWhistle0709 says...
2:46pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Dorset Logic wrote:
Have I missed a point here somewhere - does this event happen every day?

If they don't want a national park with people enjoying outdoor activities, then let it lose it status as such. Build loads of houses and slap down the concrete. Don't worry the baby boomers who want everything for themselves only got another 10 years.
A point you might have missed is that the Forest survived pretty well without getting covered in houses and concrete for close on 1 000 years without a National Park Authority, which therefore seems somewhat superflous...

Erm true, but the bike and the car are only recent additions in those 1000 years so what really is your point, also the population is growing so we need to build somewhere - what is your point.

PigWhistle0709 says...
2:46pm Mon 15 Apr 13
Dorset Logic wrote:
Have I missed a point here somewhere - does this event happen every day?
If they don't want a national park with people enjoying outdoor activities, then let it lose it status as such. Build loads of houses and slap down the concrete. Don't worry the baby boomers who want everything for themselves only got another 10 years.
A point you might have missed is that the Forest survived pretty well without getting covered in houses and concrete for close on 1 000 years without a National Park Authority, which therefore seems somewhat superflous...
Erm true, but the bike and the car are only recent additions in those 1000 years so what really is your point, also the population is growing so we need to build somewhere - what is your point.Dorset Logic

PigWhistle0709 says...
2:46pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Dorset Logic wrote:
Have I missed a point here somewhere - does this event happen every day?

If they don't want a national park with people enjoying outdoor activities, then let it lose it status as such. Build loads of houses and slap down the concrete. Don't worry the baby boomers who want everything for themselves only got another 10 years.
A point you might have missed is that the Forest survived pretty well without getting covered in houses and concrete for close on 1 000 years without a National Park Authority, which therefore seems somewhat superflous...

Erm true, but the bike and the car are only recent additions in those 1000 years so what really is your point, also the population is growing so we need to build somewhere - what is your point.

Score: 0

Drifterjoe5
5:00pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Absolute disgrace, what these small mided people did not only endangered cyclist, but also the wildlife and livestock in the forest. If you are slowed down on a country road by a cyclist then good, speeding cars kill people and animals. If it takes you 10 minutes longer in your 4x4 to get to you champagne party on your yacht it wont kill you. Some cyclists are unsafe but at the end of the day the only life they really endanger is their own, but when you drive too fast in the forest you put others at risk. These people forget the income that visiting cyclist generate for the New Forest.
Slow down, enjoy the view & get over yourself your journey is not more important than my life!!

Absolute disgrace, what these small mided people did not only endangered cyclist, but also the wildlife and livestock in the forest. If you are slowed down on a country road by a cyclist then good, speeding cars kill people and animals. If it takes you 10 minutes longer in your 4x4 to get to you champagne party on your yacht it wont kill you. Some cyclists are unsafe but at the end of the day the only life they really endanger is their own, but when you drive too fast in the forest you put others at risk. These people forget the income that visiting cyclist generate for the New Forest.
Slow down, enjoy the view & get over yourself your journey is not more important than my life!!Drifterjoe5

Absolute disgrace, what these small mided people did not only endangered cyclist, but also the wildlife and livestock in the forest. If you are slowed down on a country road by a cyclist then good, speeding cars kill people and animals. If it takes you 10 minutes longer in your 4x4 to get to you champagne party on your yacht it wont kill you. Some cyclists are unsafe but at the end of the day the only life they really endanger is their own, but when you drive too fast in the forest you put others at risk. These people forget the income that visiting cyclist generate for the New Forest.
Slow down, enjoy the view & get over yourself your journey is not more important than my life!!

Score: 1

andydixon
5:13pm Mon 15 Apr 13

I really don't understand the attitudes of the minority of locals. What is their point? We live in the New Forest so no-one else can come here? We pay road tax so we own the road? It's our forest so we can pollute it with dangerous tacks? Everyone identified as involved with using threatening behaviour or littering/vandalism should be promptly prosecuted.
As for Miss Sibley, I suspect her nose was put out of joint as she hadn't organised the event.

I really don't understand the attitudes of the minority of locals. What is their point? We live in the New Forest so no-one else can come here? We pay road tax so we own the road? It's our forest so we can pollute it with dangerous tacks? Everyone identified as involved with using threatening behaviour or littering/vandalism should be promptly prosecuted.
As for Miss Sibley, I suspect her nose was put out of joint as she hadn't organised the event.andydixon

I really don't understand the attitudes of the minority of locals. What is their point? We live in the New Forest so no-one else can come here? We pay road tax so we own the road? It's our forest so we can pollute it with dangerous tacks? Everyone identified as involved with using threatening behaviour or littering/vandalism should be promptly prosecuted.
As for Miss Sibley, I suspect her nose was put out of joint as she hadn't organised the event.

Score: 0

[deleted]
5:15pm Mon 15 Apr 13

[deleted]

I think CharlietheBikeMonger hit the nail on the head. (If you can pardon the expression!).
I think Dr Julian Lewis, MP and his friend Dr Tony Hockley have not helped the situation with their comments, and should also know a lot better than to stir things up in this way. I think that Dr Lewis has also made comments which go against the interests of the New Forest as a whole and also of government policy. We are told we should all get out there and exercise more. Then he is trying to stop people doing just this. He should know better. It is very clearly not a race. You can't use the argument that cyclists speed and then hold car traffic up in the same argument. Which one is it?
"Dr Tony Hockley, of the New Forest Equestrian Association (NFEA) said he "deplored" any actions like putting tacks or pins on the road."
"It is unlikely to be anyone in the horse-owning community responsible as tacks can be extremely dangerous to horses and the consequences can be severe," he said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-ham
pshire-22150824
I disagree. If you read the kind of inaccurate, bigoted drivel that is published in the following thread on the NFED website from start to finish, also contributed to by Dr Hockley (Tony Sway). You can see a lot of hate in the comments. Encouraging each other to get involved and also to try and disrupt the event:
"4,000 event cyclists expected in New Forest 13th/14th April" Started by Desi (Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:36 pm)
http://www.nfed.co.u
k/phpBB3/viewtopic.p
hp?f=9&t=1690
"Perhaps we all need to have a 'National get your trailer out and give it a run' weekend on 13/14th April"
~ lucandnig (Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:56 am)
"I found one of the arrow signs on the floor this morning. I put it back on the post, but hope i've put the arrow in the right direction."
~ malarkin (Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:58 pm)
"I'm much less scared on a bike than on a horse!"
~ TonySway - Dr Tony (Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:42 am)
I am convinced that "Desi" is Anita Sibley. I could be wrong, and I apologise if that is the case, but it seems this Desi is also a resident of Sway, like Ms Sibley.
"I do hope everyone (Cyclists and Drivers) take care on that nasty narrow double bend on Arnewood Bridge Road (B3055) near Linnies Lane, The cyclists will be turning left out of Wooton Lane Tiptoe on to this road and heading towards Sway. It's a perilous bend at the best of times."
~ Desi (Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:47 pm)
Anita Sibley aka Gresham Hale has a lot to answer for. I believe she could possibly go under the name Desi who posts on the NFED website. The NFED seem to have started this horrible situation and stirred it up with inaccuracies, and frankly bigoted comments. If someone did break a collar bone as a result of these tacks and also because of the threatening behaviour experienced by some of the New Forest cyclists then I think the police should interview Ms Sibley and members of the NFED and NFEA as well.
Anita Sibley has also tried to stop runners from using the New Forest. She accused them of causing a stampede! (25 October 2012)
http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/archive/2012/
10/25/New+Forest+New
s+%28newforest_news%
29/10004621.Runners_
blamed_for_stampede/
It seems for some people unless you ride a horse you are not welcome to the New Forest.
How much damage to the New Forest's reputation and of it's tourism industry have these people done?ForestGrump

I think CharlietheBikeMonger hit the nail on the head. (If you can pardon the expression!).

I think Dr Julian Lewis, MP and his friend Dr Tony Hockley have not helped the situation with their comments, and should also know a lot better than to stir things up in this way. I think that Dr Lewis has also made comments which go against the interests of the New Forest as a whole and also of government policy. We are told we should all get out there and exercise more. Then he is trying to stop people doing just this. He should know better. It is very clearly not a race. You can't use the argument that cyclists speed and then hold car traffic up in the same argument. Which one is it?

"Dr Tony Hockley, of the New Forest Equestrian Association (NFEA) said he "deplored" any actions like putting tacks or pins on the road."
"It is unlikely to be anyone in the horse-owning community responsible as tacks can be extremely dangerous to horses and the consequences can be severe," he said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-ham
pshire-22150824

I disagree. If you read the kind of inaccurate, bigoted drivel that is published in the following thread on the NFED website from start to finish, also contributed to by Dr Hockley (Tony Sway). You can see a lot of hate in the comments. Encouraging each other to get involved and also to try and disrupt the event:

"Perhaps we all need to have a 'National get your trailer out and give it a run' weekend on 13/14th April"
~ lucandnig (Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:56 am)

"I found one of the arrow signs on the floor this morning. I put it back on the post, but hope i've put the arrow in the right direction."
~ malarkin (Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:58 pm)

"I'm much less scared on a bike than on a horse!"
~ TonySway - Dr Tony (Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:42 am)

I am convinced that "Desi" is Anita Sibley. I could be wrong, and I apologise if that is the case, but it seems this Desi is also a resident of Sway, like Ms Sibley.

"I do hope everyone (Cyclists and Drivers) take care on that nasty narrow double bend on Arnewood Bridge Road (B3055) near Linnies Lane, The cyclists will be turning left out of Wooton Lane Tiptoe on to this road and heading towards Sway. It's a perilous bend at the best of times."
~ Desi (Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:47 pm)

Anita Sibley aka Gresham Hale has a lot to answer for. I believe she could possibly go under the name Desi who posts on the NFED website. The NFED seem to have started this horrible situation and stirred it up with inaccuracies, and frankly bigoted comments. If someone did break a collar bone as a result of these tacks and also because of the threatening behaviour experienced by some of the New Forest cyclists then I think the police should interview Ms Sibley and members of the NFED and NFEA as well.

Anita Sibley has also tried to stop runners from using the New Forest. She accused them of causing a stampede! (25 October 2012)

It seems for some people unless you ride a horse you are not welcome to the New Forest.

How much damage to the New Forest's reputation and of it's tourism industry have these people done?

Score: 0

andydixon
5:21pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Strangely enough, my girlfriend and I had a day of cycling in the New Forest planned for the summer.
Somehow, I suspect we will be looking for somewhere more friendly.

Strangely enough, my girlfriend and I had a day of cycling in the New Forest planned for the summer.
Somehow, I suspect we will be looking for somewhere more friendly.andydixon

Strangely enough, my girlfriend and I had a day of cycling in the New Forest planned for the summer.
Somehow, I suspect we will be looking for somewhere more friendly.

Score: 0

[deleted]
5:28pm Mon 15 Apr 13

[deleted]

[quote][p][bold]ForestGrump[/bold] wrote:
I think CharlietheBikeMonger hit the nail on the head. (If you can pardon the expression!).
I think Dr Julian Lewis, MP and his friend Dr Tony Hockley have not helped the situation with their comments, and should also know a lot better than to stir things up in this way. I think that Dr Lewis has also made comments which go against the interests of the New Forest as a whole and also of government policy. We are told we should all get out there and exercise more. Then he is trying to stop people doing just this. He should know better. It is very clearly not a race. You can't use the argument that cyclists speed and then hold car traffic up in the same argument. Which one is it?
"Dr Tony Hockley, of the New Forest Equestrian Association (NFEA) said he "deplored" any actions like putting tacks or pins on the road."
"It is unlikely to be anyone in the horse-owning community responsible as tacks can be extremely dangerous to horses and the consequences can be severe," he said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk
/news/uk-england-ham
pshire-22150824
I disagree. If you read the kind of inaccurate, bigoted drivel that is published in the following thread on the NFED website from start to finish, also contributed to by Dr Hockley (Tony Sway). You can see a lot of hate in the comments. Encouraging each other to get involved and also to try and disrupt the event:
"4,000 event cyclists expected in New Forest 13th/14th April" Started by Desi (Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2013 5:36 pm)
http://www.nfed.co.u
k/phpBB3/viewtopic.p
hp?f=9&t=1690
"Perhaps we all need to have a 'National get your trailer out and give it a run' weekend on 13/14th April"
~ lucandnig (Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:56 am)
"I found one of the arrow signs on the floor this morning. I put it back on the post, but hope i've put the arrow in the right direction."
~ malarkin (Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:58 pm)
"I'm much less scared on a bike than on a horse!"
~ TonySway - Dr Tony (Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:42 am)
I am convinced that "Desi" is Anita Sibley. I could be wrong, and I apologise if that is the case, but it seems this Desi is also a resident of Sway, like Ms Sibley.
"I do hope everyone (Cyclists and Drivers) take care on that nasty narrow double bend on Arnewood Bridge Road (B3055) near Linnies Lane, The cyclists will be turning left out of Wooton Lane Tiptoe on to this road and heading towards Sway. It's a perilous bend at the best of times."
~ Desi (Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:47 pm)
Anita Sibley aka Gresham Hale has a lot to answer for. I believe she could possibly go under the name Desi who posts on the NFED website. The NFED seem to have started this horrible situation and stirred it up with inaccuracies, and frankly bigoted comments. If someone did break a collar bone as a result of these tacks and also because of the threatening behaviour experienced by some of the New Forest cyclists then I think the police should interview Ms Sibley and members of the NFED and NFEA as well.
Anita Sibley has also tried to stop runners from using the New Forest. She accused them of causing a stampede! (25 October 2012)
http://www.dailyecho
.co.uk/archive/2012/
10/25/New+Forest+New
s+%28newforest_news%
29/10004621.Runners_
blamed_for_stampede/
It seems for some people unless you ride a horse you are not welcome to the New Forest.
How much damage to the New Forest's reputation and of it's tourism industry have these people done?[/p][/quote]Interesting stuff! I have frequented the new forest all my life and i am ashamed that i have been that naive not to know such things went on,its like something out of novel,i need to investigate.retry69

ForestGrump wrote…

I think CharlietheBikeMonger hit the nail on the head. (If you can pardon the expression!).

I think Dr Julian Lewis, MP and his friend Dr Tony Hockley have not helped the situation with their comments, and should also know a lot better than to stir things up in this way. I think that Dr Lewis has also made comments which go against the interests of the New Forest as a whole and also of government policy. We are told we should all get out there and exercise more. Then he is trying to stop people doing just this. He should know better. It is very clearly not a race. You can't use the argument that cyclists speed and then hold car traffic up in the same argument. Which one is it?

"Dr Tony Hockley, of the New Forest Equestrian Association (NFEA) said he "deplored" any actions like putting tacks or pins on the road."
"It is unlikely to be anyone in the horse-owning community responsible as tacks can be extremely dangerous to horses and the consequences can be severe," he said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk

/news/uk-england-ham

pshire-22150824

I disagree. If you read the kind of inaccurate, bigoted drivel that is published in the following thread on the NFED website from start to finish, also contributed to by Dr Hockley (Tony Sway). You can see a lot of hate in the comments. Encouraging each other to get involved and also to try and disrupt the event:

"Perhaps we all need to have a 'National get your trailer out and give it a run' weekend on 13/14th April"
~ lucandnig (Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:56 am)

"I found one of the arrow signs on the floor this morning. I put it back on the post, but hope i've put the arrow in the right direction."
~ malarkin (Posted: Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:58 pm)

"I'm much less scared on a bike than on a horse!"
~ TonySway - Dr Tony (Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:42 am)

I am convinced that "Desi" is Anita Sibley. I could be wrong, and I apologise if that is the case, but it seems this Desi is also a resident of Sway, like Ms Sibley.

"I do hope everyone (Cyclists and Drivers) take care on that nasty narrow double bend on Arnewood Bridge Road (B3055) near Linnies Lane, The cyclists will be turning left out of Wooton Lane Tiptoe on to this road and heading towards Sway. It's a perilous bend at the best of times."
~ Desi (Posted: Thu Apr 11, 2013 10:47 pm)

Anita Sibley aka Gresham Hale has a lot to answer for. I believe she could possibly go under the name Desi who posts on the NFED website. The NFED seem to have started this horrible situation and stirred it up with inaccuracies, and frankly bigoted comments. If someone did break a collar bone as a result of these tacks and also because of the threatening behaviour experienced by some of the New Forest cyclists then I think the police should interview Ms Sibley and members of the NFED and NFEA as well.

Anita Sibley has also tried to stop runners from using the New Forest. She accused them of causing a stampede! (25 October 2012)

http://www.dailyecho

.co.uk/archive/2012/

10/25/New+Forest+New

s+%28newforest_news%

29/10004621.Runners_

blamed_for_stampede/

It seems for some people unless you ride a horse you are not welcome to the New Forest.

How much damage to the New Forest's reputation and of it's tourism industry have these people done?

Interesting stuff! I have frequented the new forest all my life and i am ashamed that i have been that naive not to know such things went on,its like something out of novel,i need to investigate.

Score: 0

manyogie
5:30pm Mon 15 Apr 13

A small minority?
With over a 1000 signs damaged, that does'nt sound like the act of a 'small minority to me, anyway, these days, the minority rule!

A small minority?
With over a 1000 signs damaged, that does'nt sound like the act of a 'small minority to me, anyway, these days, the minority rule!manyogie

A small minority?
With over a 1000 signs damaged, that does'nt sound like the act of a 'small minority to me, anyway, these days, the minority rule!

Score: 0

loadabull
5:42pm Mon 15 Apr 13

I know I posted my concern the other day, but I think that whoever is responsible for this, is incredibly cowardly and nasty.
What a hideous person they must be, to think that it is acceptable to scatter tacks onto the road. Once again one lunatic is likely to have destroyed any chance of dialogue between the parties concerned. The Forest is big enough and if well organised and marshalled the events should not be an issue.

I know I posted my concern the other day, but I think that whoever is responsible for this, is incredibly cowardly and nasty.
What a hideous person they must be, to think that it is acceptable to scatter tacks onto the road. Once again one lunatic is likely to have destroyed any chance of dialogue between the parties concerned. The Forest is big enough and if well organised and marshalled the events should not be an issue.loadabull

I know I posted my concern the other day, but I think that whoever is responsible for this, is incredibly cowardly and nasty.
What a hideous person they must be, to think that it is acceptable to scatter tacks onto the road. Once again one lunatic is likely to have destroyed any chance of dialogue between the parties concerned. The Forest is big enough and if well organised and marshalled the events should not be an issue.

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Bob49
5:46pm Mon 15 Apr 13

"It seems for some people unless you ride a horse you are not welcome to the New Forest.

How much damage to the New Forest's reputation and of it's tourism industry have these people done?”"

and damage to the many walkways and footpaths as well.

For those who naively believe there isn't a 'them and us' mentality amongst some living out there then actions like these should suggest to them otherwise.

I suspect that had this been the result of activity from hunt saboteurs then certain sections of the media would have gone into meltdown in their negative portrayal of those responsible, but as this is the 'horsey set' little will be said.

"It seems for some people unless you ride a horse you are not welcome to the New Forest.
How much damage to the New Forest's reputation and of it's tourism industry have these people done?”"
and damage to the many walkways and footpaths as well.
For those who naively believe there isn't a 'them and us' mentality amongst some living out there then actions like these should suggest to them otherwise.
I suspect that had this been the result of activity from hunt saboteurs then certain sections of the media would have gone into meltdown in their negative portrayal of those responsible, but as this is the 'horsey set' little will be said.Bob49

"It seems for some people unless you ride a horse you are not welcome to the New Forest.

How much damage to the New Forest's reputation and of it's tourism industry have these people done?”"

and damage to the many walkways and footpaths as well.

For those who naively believe there isn't a 'them and us' mentality amongst some living out there then actions like these should suggest to them otherwise.

I suspect that had this been the result of activity from hunt saboteurs then certain sections of the media would have gone into meltdown in their negative portrayal of those responsible, but as this is the 'horsey set' little will be said.

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Frank Spencer
6:21pm Mon 15 Apr 13

PigWhistle0709 wrote…

As for the main topic, it may be a fine deviding line between those who visit the Forest, some of them on or bringing bikes with them, to see what it has to offer and by doing so enjoy themselves and those who visit for a massed sporting event in a convenient open space, bringing their cycles, paying extra to a third party for the privelige and also by doing so enjoy themselves but that line is still clear.

The independents would appear to have some interest in the Forest as well as in cycling, rather than just in cycling. They would spend as much per capita on accomodation, meals, etc., and would be spread out both geographically and in time, instead of all being on the same route at the same time on the same day.

It is therefore hardly Nimbyism to argue for the version that provides greatest benefit to both residents and visitors by minimising disruption and, it now appears, opportunities for the provocation of confrontation.

The only reason anyone could have for joining the massed event and paying a fee has to be competition (not a race, claim the organisers) when the same activity can be had singly or in small (family or friends) groups for free.

It should be clear which variety of visitor the Forest could therefore get by without.

Does this case also apply to other sporting events like the running and horse riding events. I take part in the marathon and was thinking about doing the horse and bike event coming up soon. Am I getting the right message that the sloths in the New Forest are up in arms about fit people sharing the space? I know we do get the roads closed for the running events, should this be extended to other sports too?

[quote][p][bold]PigWhistle0709[/bold] wrote:
As for the main topic, it may be a fine deviding line between those who visit the Forest, some of them on or bringing bikes with them, to see what it has to offer and by doing so enjoy themselves and those who visit for a massed sporting event in a convenient open space, bringing their cycles, paying extra to a third party for the privelige and also by doing so enjoy themselves but that line is still clear.
The independents would appear to have some interest in the Forest as well as in cycling, rather than just in cycling. They would spend as much per capita on accomodation, meals, etc., and would be spread out both geographically and in time, instead of all being on the same route at the same time on the same day.
It is therefore hardly Nimbyism to argue for the version that provides greatest benefit to both residents and visitors by minimising disruption and, it now appears, opportunities for the provocation of confrontation.
The only reason anyone could have for joining the massed event and paying a fee has to be competition (not a race, claim the organisers) when the same activity can be had singly or in small (family or friends) groups for free.
It should be clear which variety of visitor the Forest could therefore get by without.[/p][/quote]Does this case also apply to other sporting events like the running and horse riding events. I take part in the marathon and was thinking about doing the horse and bike event coming up soon. Am I getting the right message that the sloths in the New Forest are up in arms about fit people sharing the space? I know we do get the roads closed for the running events, should this be extended to other sports too?Frank Spencer

PigWhistle0709 wrote…

As for the main topic, it may be a fine deviding line between those who visit the Forest, some of them on or bringing bikes with them, to see what it has to offer and by doing so enjoy themselves and those who visit for a massed sporting event in a convenient open space, bringing their cycles, paying extra to a third party for the privelige and also by doing so enjoy themselves but that line is still clear.

The independents would appear to have some interest in the Forest as well as in cycling, rather than just in cycling. They would spend as much per capita on accomodation, meals, etc., and would be spread out both geographically and in time, instead of all being on the same route at the same time on the same day.

It is therefore hardly Nimbyism to argue for the version that provides greatest benefit to both residents and visitors by minimising disruption and, it now appears, opportunities for the provocation of confrontation.

The only reason anyone could have for joining the massed event and paying a fee has to be competition (not a race, claim the organisers) when the same activity can be had singly or in small (family or friends) groups for free.

It should be clear which variety of visitor the Forest could therefore get by without.

Does this case also apply to other sporting events like the running and horse riding events. I take part in the marathon and was thinking about doing the horse and bike event coming up soon. Am I getting the right message that the sloths in the New Forest are up in arms about fit people sharing the space? I know we do get the roads closed for the running events, should this be extended to other sports too?

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ashleycross
6:22pm Mon 15 Apr 13

It is shocking that Dr Lewis is making no effort to ban cars from the forest roads that they are ruining. This would create the much needed cycleway so clearly in demand for the area.

It is shocking that Dr Lewis is making no effort to ban cars from the forest roads that they are ruining. This would create the much needed cycleway so clearly in demand for the area.ashleycross

It is shocking that Dr Lewis is making no effort to ban cars from the forest roads that they are ruining. This would create the much needed cycleway so clearly in demand for the area.

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O'Reilly
6:27pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Cripes!! this story could have been lifted from the Beano. Sounds like the kind of thing Dennis the Menace would get up to.

Cripes!! this story could have been lifted from the Beano. Sounds like the kind of thing Dennis the Menace would get up to.O'Reilly

Cripes!! this story could have been lifted from the Beano. Sounds like the kind of thing Dennis the Menace would get up to.

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[deleted]
6:41pm Mon 15 Apr 13

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[quote][p][bold]uvox44[/bold] wrote:
sadly given the anti-cyclist rants you see on here this is not surprising - it's about time some motorists got used to the fact that cyclists are here to stay , and in increasing numbers , as people realise that two wheels offers a sane alternative to pollution, traffic congestion, health issues and road damage.
And to answer the , wholly predictable, cyclists are all lycra terrorists who jump red lights, cycle on pavements and generally cause accidents brigade- no they're not, there are a minority of bad cyclists who do far less harm than the minority of bad motorists, so please change the record...[/p][/quote]knobeaststandman

uvox44 wrote…

sadly given the anti-cyclist rants you see on here this is not surprising - it's about time some motorists got used to the fact that cyclists are here to stay , and in increasing numbers , as people realise that two wheels offers a sane alternative to pollution, traffic congestion, health issues and road damage.
And to answer the , wholly predictable, cyclists are all lycra terrorists who jump red lights, cycle on pavements and generally cause accidents brigade- no they're not, there are a minority of bad cyclists who do far less harm than the minority of bad motorists, so please change the record...

knob

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eaststandman
6:55pm Mon 15 Apr 13

ashleycross wrote…

It is shocking that Dr Lewis is making no effort to ban cars from the forest roads that they are ruining. This would create the much needed cycleway so clearly in demand for the area.

Clearly none of you were born, live or work in the New Forest.

Very few motorists or cyclists (who have all arrived in the forest by car by the way) have the ability to abide by the highway code.

Maybe all the 'inbred' visitors to the forest either by car or cycle could take their litter home - that would be less polluting!

[quote][p][bold]ashleycross[/bold] wrote:
It is shocking that Dr Lewis is making no effort to ban cars from the forest roads that they are ruining. This would create the much needed cycleway so clearly in demand for the area.[/p][/quote]Clearly none of you were born, live or work in the New Forest.
Very few motorists or cyclists (who have all arrived in the forest by car by the way) have the ability to abide by the highway code.
Maybe all the 'inbred' visitors to the forest either by car or cycle could take their litter home - that would be less polluting!eaststandman

ashleycross wrote…

It is shocking that Dr Lewis is making no effort to ban cars from the forest roads that they are ruining. This would create the much needed cycleway so clearly in demand for the area.

Clearly none of you were born, live or work in the New Forest.

Very few motorists or cyclists (who have all arrived in the forest by car by the way) have the ability to abide by the highway code.

Maybe all the 'inbred' visitors to the forest either by car or cycle could take their litter home - that would be less polluting!

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[deleted]
7:01pm Mon 15 Apr 13

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[quote][p][bold]eaststandman[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]uvox44[/bold] wrote:
sadly given the anti-cyclist rants you see on here this is not surprising - it's about time some motorists got used to the fact that cyclists are here to stay , and in increasing numbers , as people realise that two wheels offers a sane alternative to pollution, traffic congestion, health issues and road damage.
And to answer the , wholly predictable, cyclists are all lycra terrorists who jump red lights, cycle on pavements and generally cause accidents brigade- no they're not, there are a minority of bad cyclists who do far less harm than the minority of bad motorists, so please change the record...[/p][/quote]knob[/p][/quote]correct Knob is a very good word for those who refuse to share the road with other people.5 minutes in a petrol station well spent,10 seconds on a journey respecting another persons life a waste of time.Again Knob perfect word.cycletourer

eaststandman wrote…

uvox44 wrote…

sadly given the anti-cyclist rants you see on here this is not surprising - it's about time some motorists got used to the fact that cyclists are here to stay , and in increasing numbers , as people realise that two wheels offers a sane alternative to pollution, traffic congestion, health issues and road damage.
And to answer the , wholly predictable, cyclists are all lycra terrorists who jump red lights, cycle on pavements and generally cause accidents brigade- no they're not, there are a minority of bad cyclists who do far less harm than the minority of bad motorists, so please change the record...

knob

correct Knob is a very good word for those who refuse to share the road with other people.5 minutes in a petrol station well spent,10 seconds on a journey respecting another persons life a waste of time.Again Knob perfect word.

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Dorset Logic
7:08pm Mon 15 Apr 13

I think they need a new wind farm.

I think they need a new wind farm.Dorset Logic

I think they need a new wind farm.

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Dorset Logic
7:11pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Wonder which committee was behind this. Middle England, home of the good

Wonder which committee was behind this. Middle England, home of the goodDorset Logic

Wonder which committee was behind this. Middle England, home of the good

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GAHmusic
7:14pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Can we stop calling the New Forrest NF for short please, some of us still remember the first time NF was used years ago by racists.

Can we stop calling the New Forrest NF for short please, some of us still remember the first time NF was used years ago by racists.GAHmusic

Can we stop calling the New Forrest NF for short please, some of us still remember the first time NF was used years ago by racists.

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retry69
7:16pm Mon 15 Apr 13

GAHmusic wrote…

Can we stop calling the New Forrest NF for short please, some of us still remember the first time NF was used years ago by racists.

Obviously not taking this serious

[quote][p][bold]GAHmusic[/bold] wrote:
Can we stop calling the New Forrest NF for short please, some of us still remember the first time NF was used years ago by racists.[/p][/quote]Obviously not taking this seriousretry69

GAHmusic wrote…

Can we stop calling the New Forrest NF for short please, some of us still remember the first time NF was used years ago by racists.

Obviously not taking this serious

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GAHmusic
7:17pm Mon 15 Apr 13

And concerning cyclists v car drivers it is the bad ones we all want rid of not every single one, we all at least seem to agree on that so we need to stop grouping good and bad together when ranting and I bet a air of calm and tranquility will decend upon these threads :-)

And concerning cyclists v car drivers it is the bad ones we all want rid of not every single one, we all at least seem to agree on that so we need to stop grouping good and bad together when ranting and I bet a air of calm and tranquility will decend upon these threads :-)GAHmusic

And concerning cyclists v car drivers it is the bad ones we all want rid of not every single one, we all at least seem to agree on that so we need to stop grouping good and bad together when ranting and I bet a air of calm and tranquility will decend upon these threads :-)

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cycletourer
7:30pm Mon 15 Apr 13

GAHmusic wrote…

And concerning cyclists v car drivers it is the bad ones we all want rid of not every single one, we all at least seem to agree on that so we need to stop grouping good and bad together when ranting and I bet a air of calm and tranquility will decend upon these threads :-)

Agree and there are alot of bad on both sides.I see more bad road users on bicycles than i do in car users.Around the Charminster and Talbot Village area is very poor when it comes to bad cycling where you have a lot of students both foreign and home.

[quote][p][bold]GAHmusic[/bold] wrote:
And concerning cyclists v car drivers it is the bad ones we all want rid of not every single one, we all at least seem to agree on that so we need to stop grouping good and bad together when ranting and I bet a air of calm and tranquility will decend upon these threads :-)[/p][/quote]Agree and there are alot of bad on both sides.I see more bad road users on bicycles than i do in car users.Around the Charminster and Talbot Village area is very poor when it comes to bad cycling where you have a lot of students both foreign and home.cycletourer

GAHmusic wrote…

And concerning cyclists v car drivers it is the bad ones we all want rid of not every single one, we all at least seem to agree on that so we need to stop grouping good and bad together when ranting and I bet a air of calm and tranquility will decend upon these threads :-)

Agree and there are alot of bad on both sides.I see more bad road users on bicycles than i do in car users.Around the Charminster and Talbot Village area is very poor when it comes to bad cycling where you have a lot of students both foreign and home.

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ForestGrump
8:02pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Further to my criticism of some members of the NFEA. I think it pretty ironic they have this as their objectives:

"To preserve the tradition of freedom to ride in the New Forest without charge or restriction of access.

To liaise with the Forestry Commission, English Nature and other statutory bodies in the conservation of the New Forest and its wildlife.

To represent all who seek to ride in the New Forest."

So why are they trying to restrict the freedoms of cyclists? Seems a tad hypocritical no? I applaud their objectives, I don't object to any point and support them. But what is good for one...

Further to my criticism of some members of the NFEA. I think it pretty ironic they have this as their objectives:
"To preserve the tradition of freedom to ride in the New Forest without charge or restriction of access.
To liaise with the Forestry Commission, English Nature and other statutory bodies in the conservation of the New Forest and its wildlife.
To represent all who seek to ride in the New Forest."
So why are they trying to restrict the freedoms of cyclists? Seems a tad hypocritical no? I applaud their objectives, I don't object to any point and support them. But what is good for one...ForestGrump

Further to my criticism of some members of the NFEA. I think it pretty ironic they have this as their objectives:

"To preserve the tradition of freedom to ride in the New Forest without charge or restriction of access.

To liaise with the Forestry Commission, English Nature and other statutory bodies in the conservation of the New Forest and its wildlife.

To represent all who seek to ride in the New Forest."

So why are they trying to restrict the freedoms of cyclists? Seems a tad hypocritical no? I applaud their objectives, I don't object to any point and support them. But what is good for one...

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Turtlebay
8:16pm Mon 15 Apr 13

"Gooby! says... This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals."

No Gooby, it also belongs to the people who live here and own their own property. The properties do not belong to the National Park and were mostly already occupied BEFORE the New Forest became a National Park. It was forced on us.

"Gooby! says... This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals."
No Gooby, it also belongs to the people who live here and own their own property. The properties do not belong to the National Park and were mostly already occupied BEFORE the New Forest became a National Park. It was forced on us.Turtlebay

"Gooby! says... This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals."

No Gooby, it also belongs to the people who live here and own their own property. The properties do not belong to the National Park and were mostly already occupied BEFORE the New Forest became a National Park. It was forced on us.

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ForestGrump
8:20pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Intereseting point Turtlebay, but do you own the roads as well?

Intereseting point Turtlebay, but do you own the roads as well?ForestGrump

Intereseting point Turtlebay, but do you own the roads as well?

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Mocov1
8:20pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Freddddd wrote…

I participated to the sportive. The rain and the wind made it pretty challenging. The absence of direction ( I got confused as signs got taken off by vandalls) made it even more challenging and I missed a turn. Animals did not care at all about me and seemt pretty relaxed. I participate to many sportives, mainly for charities, but this one was far too crowded and can understand some locals are irritated. There were too many cyclists and my car nearly got stuck in the mud on the car park as someone did not bother to move her 4x4 to clear the way, I had to go around the car park in reverse, ploughing the field (more torque). However I got a really bad impression of the locals. As a French and Breton I also sailed to the isle of Wright and the Brits laugh a lot about Essex chavs and Newcastle inhabitants, but I am afraid "commoners" in New Forest or people on the isle of Wright (though you have many "Chelsea like" that made it much worst) did not look better to me, they just have more money and bigger cars than in the North. At least I know where not to spend my bank holidays in May. On the opposite you have areas like Sevenoaks, Edenbridge or Cornwall full of nice and charming people. Drivers are more respectful of cyclists in France too but I did not have any issues with them on Saturday. I admit some areas in France are the same, but you should think before insulting cyclist and putting nails or stuff like that that will harm ponies' feet. I probably will not go to New Forest soon, if that can make you happy.

What a pity that one of our French neighbours won't be joining us for the May bank holiday! How will we cope?

[quote][p][bold]Freddddd[/bold] wrote:
I participated to the sportive. The rain and the wind made it pretty challenging. The absence of direction ( I got confused as signs got taken off by vandalls) made it even more challenging and I missed a turn. Animals did not care at all about me and seemt pretty relaxed. I participate to many sportives, mainly for charities, but this one was far too crowded and can understand some locals are irritated. There were too many cyclists and my car nearly got stuck in the mud on the car park as someone did not bother to move her 4x4 to clear the way, I had to go around the car park in reverse, ploughing the field (more torque). However I got a really bad impression of the locals. As a French and Breton I also sailed to the isle of Wright and the Brits laugh a lot about Essex chavs and Newcastle inhabitants, but I am afraid "commoners" in New Forest or people on the isle of Wright (though you have many "Chelsea like" that made it much worst) did not look better to me, they just have more money and bigger cars than in the North. At least I know where not to spend my bank holidays in May. On the opposite you have areas like Sevenoaks, Edenbridge or Cornwall full of nice and charming people. Drivers are more respectful of cyclists in France too but I did not have any issues with them on Saturday. I admit some areas in France are the same, but you should think before insulting cyclist and putting nails or stuff like that that will harm ponies' feet. I probably will not go to New Forest soon, if that can make you happy.[/p][/quote]What a pity that one of our French neighbours won't be joining us for the May bank holiday! How will we cope?Mocov1

Freddddd wrote…

I participated to the sportive. The rain and the wind made it pretty challenging. The absence of direction ( I got confused as signs got taken off by vandalls) made it even more challenging and I missed a turn. Animals did not care at all about me and seemt pretty relaxed. I participate to many sportives, mainly for charities, but this one was far too crowded and can understand some locals are irritated. There were too many cyclists and my car nearly got stuck in the mud on the car park as someone did not bother to move her 4x4 to clear the way, I had to go around the car park in reverse, ploughing the field (more torque). However I got a really bad impression of the locals. As a French and Breton I also sailed to the isle of Wright and the Brits laugh a lot about Essex chavs and Newcastle inhabitants, but I am afraid "commoners" in New Forest or people on the isle of Wright (though you have many "Chelsea like" that made it much worst) did not look better to me, they just have more money and bigger cars than in the North. At least I know where not to spend my bank holidays in May. On the opposite you have areas like Sevenoaks, Edenbridge or Cornwall full of nice and charming people. Drivers are more respectful of cyclists in France too but I did not have any issues with them on Saturday. I admit some areas in France are the same, but you should think before insulting cyclist and putting nails or stuff like that that will harm ponies' feet. I probably will not go to New Forest soon, if that can make you happy.

What a pity that one of our French neighbours won't be joining us for the May bank holiday! How will we cope?

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[deleted]
8:50pm Mon 15 Apr 13

[deleted]

[quote][p][bold]Gooby![/bold] wrote:
How on earth will this amount or even many more cyclists have any effect on any of the inbred genetic waste that vandalised this event?
1800 cyclist leaving the start in small bunches would equate to about 20 cyclists per mile of the 86 mile course.
The cycle is practically noisless and produces no emissions. With an average speed of 17-25 mph, it is slower than cars and presents no hazard to wildlife.
Even at a low speed of 18mph, a sudden puncture in the front tyre could cause major injuries. These cretins need to be caught and punished to the fullest extent of the law.
These morons have been bleating to the forrest councils and MP's to ban any type of event in the forest and have been (mostly) treated with the utter contempt they deserve. Because they cant get thier way they resort to dangerous levels of vandalism.
This has mostly been stirred up by the rather vile Anita Gresham-Hale who made up anti cycling posters while her smiling other face takes money from local cycling firms for advertising on her web site.
The mentality of these ignorant nutters is far beyond any logic. They scream ruddy blue murder that speed litis are to high and speeding vehicles are killing precious wildlife. If a car or more precicly thier car is held up for a few seconds by a cyclist, it is the end of thier forest. Perhaps they would prefer it if all the cyclists drove thier cars along the route.
Before the event we had a rather idiotic release from an MP stating that cyclists case untold injury and hazard to horses and wildlife. The Forest Journal warned of "Carnage". The Echo warned us that locals would die because ambulances would be delayed. Bystanders would be trampled by horses fleeing in a stampede of terror and the wildlife would be decimated.
What is the upshot - nothing. No horses were hurt in the running of this event. No people were hurt in the running of this event.[/p][/quote]Well said 'Gooby'. These people are utter morons. Perhaps if they tried doing a bit of exercise themselves they'd appreciate the enjoyment and the harmless impact it has on the forest, wildlife and other users. In fact i dread to think what impact drawing pins might have should they get stuck in a horses hoof. I have to say, i've been utterly astonished recently by the ridiculous comments and articles i've read from people complaining about the everyday countryside pursuits like pony drifts, hunting and now cycling. If people don't like these pursuits then move out of the countryside into a city! Im planning on running the new forest half marathon in sept, will i need to reinforce my running shoes in case of drawing pins??!!louuuuuu

Gooby! wrote…

How on earth will this amount or even many more cyclists have any effect on any of the inbred genetic waste that vandalised this event?

1800 cyclist leaving the start in small bunches would equate to about 20 cyclists per mile of the 86 mile course.
The cycle is practically noisless and produces no emissions. With an average speed of 17-25 mph, it is slower than cars and presents no hazard to wildlife.

Even at a low speed of 18mph, a sudden puncture in the front tyre could cause major injuries. These cretins need to be caught and punished to the fullest extent of the law.

These morons have been bleating to the forrest councils and MP's to ban any type of event in the forest and have been (mostly) treated with the utter contempt they deserve. Because they cant get thier way they resort to dangerous levels of vandalism.

This has mostly been stirred up by the rather vile Anita Gresham-Hale who made up anti cycling posters while her smiling other face takes money from local cycling firms for advertising on her web site.

The mentality of these ignorant nutters is far beyond any logic. They scream ruddy blue murder that speed litis are to high and speeding vehicles are killing precious wildlife. If a car or more precicly thier car is held up for a few seconds by a cyclist, it is the end of thier forest. Perhaps they would prefer it if all the cyclists drove thier cars along the route.

Before the event we had a rather idiotic release from an MP stating that cyclists case untold injury and hazard to horses and wildlife. The Forest Journal warned of "Carnage". The Echo warned us that locals would die because ambulances would be delayed. Bystanders would be trampled by horses fleeing in a stampede of terror and the wildlife would be decimated.

What is the upshot - nothing. No horses were hurt in the running of this event. No people were hurt in the running of this event.

Well said 'Gooby'. These people are utter morons. Perhaps if they tried doing a bit of exercise themselves they'd appreciate the enjoyment and the harmless impact it has on the forest, wildlife and other users. In fact i dread to think what impact drawing pins might have should they get stuck in a horses hoof. I have to say, i've been utterly astonished recently by the ridiculous comments and articles i've read from people complaining about the everyday countryside pursuits like pony drifts, hunting and now cycling. If people don't like these pursuits then move out of the countryside into a city! Im planning on running the new forest half marathon in sept, will i need to reinforce my running shoes in case of drawing pins??!!

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englandman05
9:21pm Mon 15 Apr 13

the roads are busy enough, how about a cross country route, making use of the miles and miles of forest that's available...

the roads are busy enough, how about a cross country route, making use of the miles and miles of forest that's available...englandman05

the roads are busy enough, how about a cross country route, making use of the miles and miles of forest that's available...

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ForestGrump
9:22pm Mon 15 Apr 13

What I don't understand is if horse riding and cycling is such a dangerous combination. Why do we allow Horse and Cycle rides in the New Forest?

Are we not mad? Apparently the Rt. Hon. Desmond Swayne MP will be starting it. So I suppose it must be safe!

I am not knocking the great causes this event supports, just wondering why the horses aren't spooked by all the bikes at this event. Or is it just Sportive bikes and riders that send horses doolally?

It is for charity, so please do sign up!:

http://www.horseorcy
cle.co.uk/

What I don't understand is if horse riding and cycling is such a dangerous combination. Why do we allow Horse and Cycle rides in the New Forest?
Are we not mad? Apparently the Rt. Hon. Desmond Swayne MP will be starting it. So I suppose it must be safe!
I am not knocking the great causes this event supports, just wondering why the horses aren't spooked by all the bikes at this event. Or is it just Sportive bikes and riders that send horses doolally?
It is for charity, so please do sign up!:
http://www.horseorcy
cle.co.uk/ForestGrump

What I don't understand is if horse riding and cycling is such a dangerous combination. Why do we allow Horse and Cycle rides in the New Forest?

Are we not mad? Apparently the Rt. Hon. Desmond Swayne MP will be starting it. So I suppose it must be safe!

I am not knocking the great causes this event supports, just wondering why the horses aren't spooked by all the bikes at this event. Or is it just Sportive bikes and riders that send horses doolally?

It is for charity, so please do sign up!:

http://www.horseorcy
cle.co.uk/

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Gooby!
9:44pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Turtlebay wrote…

"Gooby! says... This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals."

No Gooby, it also belongs to the people who live here and own their own property. The properties do not belong to the National Park and were mostly already occupied BEFORE the New Forest became a National Park. It was forced on us.

Really? The roads are yours? Do you have some sort of "right" to them that other occupants of this country do not have. This ride was not cross country, this ride was not on mountain bikes across the commons. It was on the road.

I have no problem with the new forest not being a National Park. It is then land for building. You can live with that.

[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote:
"Gooby! says... This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals."
No Gooby, it also belongs to the people who live here and own their own property. The properties do not belong to the National Park and were mostly already occupied BEFORE the New Forest became a National Park. It was forced on us.[/p][/quote]Really? The roads are yours? Do you have some sort of "right" to them that other occupants of this country do not have. This ride was not cross country, this ride was not on mountain bikes across the commons. It was on the road.
I have no problem with the new forest not being a National Park. It is then land for building. You can live with that.Gooby!

Turtlebay wrote…

"Gooby! says... This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals."

No Gooby, it also belongs to the people who live here and own their own property. The properties do not belong to the National Park and were mostly already occupied BEFORE the New Forest became a National Park. It was forced on us.

Really? The roads are yours? Do you have some sort of "right" to them that other occupants of this country do not have. This ride was not cross country, this ride was not on mountain bikes across the commons. It was on the road.

I have no problem with the new forest not being a National Park. It is then land for building. You can live with that.

Score: 1

PigWhistle0709
1:18am Tue 16 Apr 13

Gooby! wrote…

PigWhistle0709 wrote…

As for the main topic, it may be a fine deviding line between those who visit the Forest, some of them on or bringing bikes with them, to see what it has to offer and by doing so enjoy themselves and those who visit for a massed sporting event in a convenient open space, bringing their cycles, paying extra to a third party for the privelige and also by doing so enjoy themselves but that line is still clear.

The independents would appear to have some interest in the Forest as well as in cycling, rather than just in cycling. They would spend as much per capita on accomodation, meals, etc., and would be spread out both geographically and in time, instead of all being on the same route at the same time on the same day.

It is therefore hardly Nimbyism to argue for the version that provides greatest benefit to both residents and visitors by minimising disruption and, it now appears, opportunities for the provocation of confrontation.

The only reason anyone could have for joining the massed event and paying a fee has to be competition (not a race, claim the organisers) when the same activity can be had singly or in small (family or friends) groups for free.

It should be clear which variety of visitor the Forest could therefore get by without.

No - for competition you need a race licence. You need a whole different set of equipment and far more dedication. A sportive such as this allows you to meet like minded people, enjoy the scenery. It is a distance you can set yourself a challenge and next time go for the longer distance or even improve your time. Serious cyclists indulge in thier sport regularly and this gives an oppertunity to follow a new route and see things you dont see every weekend. It is also (in some way) a celebration of cycling. Many people adopt this challenge and obtain charitable sponsorship. People get fitter and the whole event is fun.

This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals. It was prepared legally and operated legally. This is the nations park and should be available to the people of the nation to enjoy in whatever way they see fit as long as it is within the constraints of the law (as this was). Cyclists have the right to enjoy this type of event. We have the right to enjoy it without persecution and harassment from idiot locals who can not get the event stopped by democratic and legal means. Many of our grandfathers died to protect these rights.

I have not yet met one single operator of a small business who has said we could do with less business! what a stupid thing to say.

A race licence may very well be needed for a competition but if it is in effect a competition there's no difference if you can get away with saying it isn't one. The 'whole different set of equipment and far more dedication' is up to the individual whether in an officially recognised race / competition or out on their own for the day.
Everything else you menrtion - setting challenges, seeing new scenery, setting a new distance and improving your time and enjoying a new route on which you will see things you don't see every weekend - do not require that you do it at the same time as a few thousand others and pay some organisation for 'permission' to do it. You could just organise it for yourself.
I 'celebrate' my cycling mostly on my own and indulge in it regularly, get fitter as a result and find it 'fun' (except when a winter howling gale is head-on, I admit) but don't do it for sponsorship - it's my mode of transport. Maybe I'm not serious about it, then.
This wasn't a National Park until recently, it still is Crown Land and was / still is in part administered by the Forestry Comission and the Court of Verderers. It did not need a third layer of interference (NFNPA) and throughout has been available to any who wish to visit it. You always could come here and ride your sporty bike as much as you like, but it seems you chose not to until someone suggested you could do it in a crowd. Your very definition of it as a sport suggests competition.
If you read again you will see that I did not suggest less business, just that one variety is preferable to another, and it'snot a stupid thing to say just because you are abusive enough to say it is.

[quote][p][bold]Gooby![/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PigWhistle0709[/bold] wrote:
As for the main topic, it may be a fine deviding line between those who visit the Forest, some of them on or bringing bikes with them, to see what it has to offer and by doing so enjoy themselves and those who visit for a massed sporting event in a convenient open space, bringing their cycles, paying extra to a third party for the privelige and also by doing so enjoy themselves but that line is still clear.
The independents would appear to have some interest in the Forest as well as in cycling, rather than just in cycling. They would spend as much per capita on accomodation, meals, etc., and would be spread out both geographically and in time, instead of all being on the same route at the same time on the same day.
It is therefore hardly Nimbyism to argue for the version that provides greatest benefit to both residents and visitors by minimising disruption and, it now appears, opportunities for the provocation of confrontation.
The only reason anyone could have for joining the massed event and paying a fee has to be competition (not a race, claim the organisers) when the same activity can be had singly or in small (family or friends) groups for free.
It should be clear which variety of visitor the Forest could therefore get by without.[/p][/quote]No - for competition you need a race licence. You need a whole different set of equipment and far more dedication. A sportive such as this allows you to meet like minded people, enjoy the scenery. It is a distance you can set yourself a challenge and next time go for the longer distance or even improve your time. Serious cyclists indulge in thier sport regularly and this gives an oppertunity to follow a new route and see things you dont see every weekend. It is also (in some way) a celebration of cycling. Many people adopt this challenge and obtain charitable sponsorship. People get fitter and the whole event is fun.
This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals. It was prepared legally and operated legally. This is the nations park and should be available to the people of the nation to enjoy in whatever way they see fit as long as it is within the constraints of the law (as this was). Cyclists have the right to enjoy this type of event. We have the right to enjoy it without persecution and harassment from idiot locals who can not get the event stopped by democratic and legal means. Many of our grandfathers died to protect these rights.
I have not yet met one single operator of a small business who has said we could do with less business! what a stupid thing to say.[/p][/quote]A race licence may very well be needed for a competition but if it is in effect a competition there's no difference if you can get away with saying it isn't one. The 'whole different set of equipment and far more dedication' is up to the individual whether in an officially recognised race / competition or out on their own for the day.
Everything else you menrtion - setting challenges, seeing new scenery, setting a new distance and improving your time and enjoying a new route on which you will see things you don't see every weekend - do not require that you do it at the same time as a few thousand others and pay some organisation for 'permission' to do it. You could just organise it for yourself.
I 'celebrate' my cycling mostly on my own and indulge in it regularly, get fitter as a result and find it 'fun' (except when a winter howling gale is head-on, I admit) but don't do it for sponsorship - it's my mode of transport. Maybe I'm not serious about it, then.
This wasn't a National Park until recently, it still is Crown Land and was / still is in part administered by the Forestry Comission and the Court of Verderers. It did not need a third layer of interference (NFNPA) and throughout has been available to any who wish to visit it. You always could come here and ride your sporty bike as much as you like, but it seems you chose not to until someone suggested you could do it in a crowd. Your very definition of it as a sport suggests competition.
If you read again you will see that I did not suggest less business, just that one variety is preferable to another, and it'snot a stupid thing to say just because you are abusive enough to say it is.PigWhistle0709

Gooby! wrote…

PigWhistle0709 wrote…

As for the main topic, it may be a fine deviding line between those who visit the Forest, some of them on or bringing bikes with them, to see what it has to offer and by doing so enjoy themselves and those who visit for a massed sporting event in a convenient open space, bringing their cycles, paying extra to a third party for the privelige and also by doing so enjoy themselves but that line is still clear.

The independents would appear to have some interest in the Forest as well as in cycling, rather than just in cycling. They would spend as much per capita on accomodation, meals, etc., and would be spread out both geographically and in time, instead of all being on the same route at the same time on the same day.

It is therefore hardly Nimbyism to argue for the version that provides greatest benefit to both residents and visitors by minimising disruption and, it now appears, opportunities for the provocation of confrontation.

The only reason anyone could have for joining the massed event and paying a fee has to be competition (not a race, claim the organisers) when the same activity can be had singly or in small (family or friends) groups for free.

It should be clear which variety of visitor the Forest could therefore get by without.

No - for competition you need a race licence. You need a whole different set of equipment and far more dedication. A sportive such as this allows you to meet like minded people, enjoy the scenery. It is a distance you can set yourself a challenge and next time go for the longer distance or even improve your time. Serious cyclists indulge in thier sport regularly and this gives an oppertunity to follow a new route and see things you dont see every weekend. It is also (in some way) a celebration of cycling. Many people adopt this challenge and obtain charitable sponsorship. People get fitter and the whole event is fun.

This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals. It was prepared legally and operated legally. This is the nations park and should be available to the people of the nation to enjoy in whatever way they see fit as long as it is within the constraints of the law (as this was). Cyclists have the right to enjoy this type of event. We have the right to enjoy it without persecution and harassment from idiot locals who can not get the event stopped by democratic and legal means. Many of our grandfathers died to protect these rights.

I have not yet met one single operator of a small business who has said we could do with less business! what a stupid thing to say.

A race licence may very well be needed for a competition but if it is in effect a competition there's no difference if you can get away with saying it isn't one. The 'whole different set of equipment and far more dedication' is up to the individual whether in an officially recognised race / competition or out on their own for the day.
Everything else you menrtion - setting challenges, seeing new scenery, setting a new distance and improving your time and enjoying a new route on which you will see things you don't see every weekend - do not require that you do it at the same time as a few thousand others and pay some organisation for 'permission' to do it. You could just organise it for yourself.
I 'celebrate' my cycling mostly on my own and indulge in it regularly, get fitter as a result and find it 'fun' (except when a winter howling gale is head-on, I admit) but don't do it for sponsorship - it's my mode of transport. Maybe I'm not serious about it, then.
This wasn't a National Park until recently, it still is Crown Land and was / still is in part administered by the Forestry Comission and the Court of Verderers. It did not need a third layer of interference (NFNPA) and throughout has been available to any who wish to visit it. You always could come here and ride your sporty bike as much as you like, but it seems you chose not to until someone suggested you could do it in a crowd. Your very definition of it as a sport suggests competition.
If you read again you will see that I did not suggest less business, just that one variety is preferable to another, and it'snot a stupid thing to say just because you are abusive enough to say it is.

Score: -1

PigWhistle0709
1:35am Tue 16 Apr 13

Dorset Logic wrote…

PigWhistle0709 says...
2:46pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Dorset Logic wrote:
Have I missed a point here somewhere - does this event happen every day?

If they don't want a national park with people enjoying outdoor activities, then let it lose it status as such. Build loads of houses and slap down the concrete. Don't worry the baby boomers who want everything for themselves only got another 10 years.
A point you might have missed is that the Forest survived pretty well without getting covered in houses and concrete for close on 1 000 years without a National Park Authority, which therefore seems somewhat superflous...

Erm true, but the bike and the car are only recent additions in those 1000 years so what really is your point, also the population is growing so we need to build somewhere - what is your point.

My point is - I seem to have assumed you had basic knowledge of the Forest - that the place was established when Bill the Conqueror said "that's mine" and, with a few changes in attitude from preserving the deer for hunting to preserving the oaks for shipbuilding (back in the day, from our point of view), it has remained the same since.
My point, and my point again (since you ask twice) is to agree with your apparent first view that the Forest shouldn't be covered in houses and concrete - as you suggest the baby boomers would allow - but to disagree with your second that as we now have cars, bikes and an increasing population we should build on the thing and destroy that close on 1 000 years of relativly very stable environment that attracts both those who want to experience it and those who want to use it as a convenient open space.

[quote][p][bold]Dorset Logic[/bold] wrote:
PigWhistle0709 says...
2:46pm Mon 15 Apr 13
Dorset Logic wrote:
Have I missed a point here somewhere - does this event happen every day?
If they don't want a national park with people enjoying outdoor activities, then let it lose it status as such. Build loads of houses and slap down the concrete. Don't worry the baby boomers who want everything for themselves only got another 10 years.
A point you might have missed is that the Forest survived pretty well without getting covered in houses and concrete for close on 1 000 years without a National Park Authority, which therefore seems somewhat superflous...
Erm true, but the bike and the car are only recent additions in those 1000 years so what really is your point, also the population is growing so we need to build somewhere - what is your point.[/p][/quote]My point is - I seem to have assumed you had basic knowledge of the Forest - that the place was established when Bill the Conqueror said "that's mine" and, with a few changes in attitude from preserving the deer for hunting to preserving the oaks for shipbuilding (back in the day, from our point of view), it has remained the same since.
My point, and my point again (since you ask twice) is to agree with your apparent first view that the Forest shouldn't be covered in houses and concrete - as you suggest the baby boomers would allow - but to disagree with your second that as we now have cars, bikes and an increasing population we should build on the thing and destroy that close on 1 000 years of relativly very stable environment that attracts both those who want to experience it and those who want to use it as a convenient open space.PigWhistle0709

Dorset Logic wrote…

PigWhistle0709 says...
2:46pm Mon 15 Apr 13

Dorset Logic wrote:
Have I missed a point here somewhere - does this event happen every day?

If they don't want a national park with people enjoying outdoor activities, then let it lose it status as such. Build loads of houses and slap down the concrete. Don't worry the baby boomers who want everything for themselves only got another 10 years.
A point you might have missed is that the Forest survived pretty well without getting covered in houses and concrete for close on 1 000 years without a National Park Authority, which therefore seems somewhat superflous...

Erm true, but the bike and the car are only recent additions in those 1000 years so what really is your point, also the population is growing so we need to build somewhere - what is your point.

My point is - I seem to have assumed you had basic knowledge of the Forest - that the place was established when Bill the Conqueror said "that's mine" and, with a few changes in attitude from preserving the deer for hunting to preserving the oaks for shipbuilding (back in the day, from our point of view), it has remained the same since.
My point, and my point again (since you ask twice) is to agree with your apparent first view that the Forest shouldn't be covered in houses and concrete - as you suggest the baby boomers would allow - but to disagree with your second that as we now have cars, bikes and an increasing population we should build on the thing and destroy that close on 1 000 years of relativly very stable environment that attracts both those who want to experience it and those who want to use it as a convenient open space.

Score: 0

PigWhistle0709
1:50am Tue 16 Apr 13

Frank Spencer wrote…

PigWhistle0709 wrote…

As for the main topic, it may be a fine deviding line between those who visit the Forest, some of them on or bringing bikes with them, to see what it has to offer and by doing so enjoy themselves and those who visit for a massed sporting event in a convenient open space, bringing their cycles, paying extra to a third party for the privelige and also by doing so enjoy themselves but that line is still clear.

The independents would appear to have some interest in the Forest as well as in cycling, rather than just in cycling. They would spend as much per capita on accomodation, meals, etc., and would be spread out both geographically and in time, instead of all being on the same route at the same time on the same day.

It is therefore hardly Nimbyism to argue for the version that provides greatest benefit to both residents and visitors by minimising disruption and, it now appears, opportunities for the provocation of confrontation.

The only reason anyone could have for joining the massed event and paying a fee has to be competition (not a race, claim the organisers) when the same activity can be had singly or in small (family or friends) groups for free.

It should be clear which variety of visitor the Forest could therefore get by without.

Does this case also apply to other sporting events like the running and horse riding events. I take part in the marathon and was thinking about doing the horse and bike event coming up soon. Am I getting the right message that the sloths in the New Forest are up in arms about fit people sharing the space? I know we do get the roads closed for the running events, should this be extended to other sports too?

I think so - there is little difference in the risk from perfectly legal traffic to cycle racers and to runners, so let massed cyling events - if we have to have them - be organised by (say) the NPA, or Forestry Commission, with closed roads and other safety arrangements in place and any profits accruing going to the public rather than the private sector. This would necessaily be done in full consultation with all concerned- 'stakeholders' is I understand the popular expression - and hence be more likely to reduce the potential for confrontation we have seen reported here

[quote][p][bold]Frank Spencer[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]PigWhistle0709[/bold] wrote:
As for the main topic, it may be a fine deviding line between those who visit the Forest, some of them on or bringing bikes with them, to see what it has to offer and by doing so enjoy themselves and those who visit for a massed sporting event in a convenient open space, bringing their cycles, paying extra to a third party for the privelige and also by doing so enjoy themselves but that line is still clear.
The independents would appear to have some interest in the Forest as well as in cycling, rather than just in cycling. They would spend as much per capita on accomodation, meals, etc., and would be spread out both geographically and in time, instead of all being on the same route at the same time on the same day.
It is therefore hardly Nimbyism to argue for the version that provides greatest benefit to both residents and visitors by minimising disruption and, it now appears, opportunities for the provocation of confrontation.
The only reason anyone could have for joining the massed event and paying a fee has to be competition (not a race, claim the organisers) when the same activity can be had singly or in small (family or friends) groups for free.
It should be clear which variety of visitor the Forest could therefore get by without.[/p][/quote]Does this case also apply to other sporting events like the running and horse riding events. I take part in the marathon and was thinking about doing the horse and bike event coming up soon. Am I getting the right message that the sloths in the New Forest are up in arms about fit people sharing the space? I know we do get the roads closed for the running events, should this be extended to other sports too?[/p][/quote]I think so - there is little difference in the risk from perfectly legal traffic to cycle racers and to runners, so let massed cyling events - if we have to have them - be organised by (say) the NPA, or Forestry Commission, with closed roads and other safety arrangements in place and any profits accruing going to the public rather than the private sector. This would necessaily be done in full consultation with all concerned- 'stakeholders' is I understand the popular expression - and hence be more likely to reduce the potential for confrontation we have seen reported herePigWhistle0709

Frank Spencer wrote…

PigWhistle0709 wrote…

As for the main topic, it may be a fine deviding line between those who visit the Forest, some of them on or bringing bikes with them, to see what it has to offer and by doing so enjoy themselves and those who visit for a massed sporting event in a convenient open space, bringing their cycles, paying extra to a third party for the privelige and also by doing so enjoy themselves but that line is still clear.

The independents would appear to have some interest in the Forest as well as in cycling, rather than just in cycling. They would spend as much per capita on accomodation, meals, etc., and would be spread out both geographically and in time, instead of all being on the same route at the same time on the same day.

It is therefore hardly Nimbyism to argue for the version that provides greatest benefit to both residents and visitors by minimising disruption and, it now appears, opportunities for the provocation of confrontation.

The only reason anyone could have for joining the massed event and paying a fee has to be competition (not a race, claim the organisers) when the same activity can be had singly or in small (family or friends) groups for free.

It should be clear which variety of visitor the Forest could therefore get by without.

Does this case also apply to other sporting events like the running and horse riding events. I take part in the marathon and was thinking about doing the horse and bike event coming up soon. Am I getting the right message that the sloths in the New Forest are up in arms about fit people sharing the space? I know we do get the roads closed for the running events, should this be extended to other sports too?

I think so - there is little difference in the risk from perfectly legal traffic to cycle racers and to runners, so let massed cyling events - if we have to have them - be organised by (say) the NPA, or Forestry Commission, with closed roads and other safety arrangements in place and any profits accruing going to the public rather than the private sector. This would necessaily be done in full consultation with all concerned- 'stakeholders' is I understand the popular expression - and hence be more likely to reduce the potential for confrontation we have seen reported here

Score: 0

andydixon
3:03am Tue 16 Apr 13

I have a suggestion. We need to implement a border. Let those that want to live in the forest do so and close them off. We can live the urban life with our supermarkets, shops etc. They can forage and ride horses and drive 4x4's around to their hearts content. Only allow people through (strictly on foot or horse, no tatty bicycles) with jerry cans to top up their fuel and charge tax for the 'border-crossing'.
P.s. Horsey types being innocent as they are worried about thumb-tacks? Have you seen what they hammer the shoes on with? It's a shame all wildlife, and indeed pets aren't so resiliant.
"Shame" is an appropriate word. I hope those responsible are reading this and feel some.

I have a suggestion. We need to implement a border. Let those that want to live in the forest do so and close them off. We can live the urban life with our supermarkets, shops etc. They can forage and ride horses and drive 4x4's around to their hearts content. Only allow people through (strictly on foot or horse, no tatty bicycles) with jerry cans to top up their fuel and charge tax for the 'border-crossing'.
P.s. Horsey types being innocent as they are worried about thumb-tacks? Have you seen what they hammer the shoes on with? It's a shame all wildlife, and indeed pets aren't so resiliant.
"Shame" is an appropriate word. I hope those responsible are reading this and feel some.andydixon

I have a suggestion. We need to implement a border. Let those that want to live in the forest do so and close them off. We can live the urban life with our supermarkets, shops etc. They can forage and ride horses and drive 4x4's around to their hearts content. Only allow people through (strictly on foot or horse, no tatty bicycles) with jerry cans to top up their fuel and charge tax for the 'border-crossing'.
P.s. Horsey types being innocent as they are worried about thumb-tacks? Have you seen what they hammer the shoes on with? It's a shame all wildlife, and indeed pets aren't so resiliant.
"Shame" is an appropriate word. I hope those responsible are reading this and feel some.

Score: 1

portia6
3:08am Tue 16 Apr 13

Property prices in Brockenhurst are
very expensive I hear.

Property prices in Brockenhurst are
very expensive I hear.portia6

Property prices in Brockenhurst are
very expensive I hear.

Score: 1

Dorset Logic
9:01am Tue 16 Apr 13

always thought the forest was full of horse ....

always thought the forest was full of horse ....Dorset Logic

always thought the forest was full of horse ....

Score: 1

ForestGrump
9:03am Tue 16 Apr 13

I think the fact that the Rt. Hon. Dr Julian Lewis MP has not stood up publicly and condemned these vicious vandals, and saboteurs is shameful.

As someone described by David Cameron as having a "formidable reputation in the field of defence and disarmament". Why has he not stood up for the rights for people to be able to enjoy peaceful relaxation on his doorstop?

Should questions be asked about his excessive drawing pin usage in his office?

Seriously, criticism should be levelled at the man for failing to spot, deter or discourage dangerous actions be it: removing or defacing signage, driving slowly in front of the cyclists, threatening abuse and of course the tacks thrown over the road, which could have killed someone.

Obviously these actions are nowhere near the scale of the dreadful events in Boston. But surely we should all stand up for the freedoms of people to enjoy peaceful enjoyment and their chosen sport. The principle is the same.

Also, the word "commercial" has been bounded around like it is a dirty word. Let us not forget that UK Cycling Events are a local company, based in Fordingbridge. They do these events all over the country. They employ local people and they are even advertising vacancies right now. Their events have been celebrated all over for the way they are run and managed. Why can't us locals celebrate their enterprise?

I find Dr Lewis's silence deafening. A poor show from someone defending our country when he can't defend the rights of people on his own doorstep.

"First they ignore you,
then they laugh at you,
then they fight you,
then you win."
~ Mahatma Gandhi

I think the fact that the Rt. Hon. Dr Julian Lewis MP has not stood up publicly and condemned these vicious vandals, and saboteurs is shameful.
As someone described by David Cameron as having a "formidable reputation in the field of defence and disarmament". Why has he not stood up for the rights for people to be able to enjoy peaceful relaxation on his doorstop?
Should questions be asked about his excessive drawing pin usage in his office?
Seriously, criticism should be levelled at the man for failing to spot, deter or discourage dangerous actions be it: removing or defacing signage, driving slowly in front of the cyclists, threatening abuse and of course the tacks thrown over the road, which could have killed someone.
Obviously these actions are nowhere near the scale of the dreadful events in Boston. But surely we should all stand up for the freedoms of people to enjoy peaceful enjoyment and their chosen sport. The principle is the same.
Also, the word "commercial" has been bounded around like it is a dirty word. Let us not forget that UK Cycling Events are a local company, based in Fordingbridge. They do these events all over the country. They employ local people and they are even advertising vacancies right now. Their events have been celebrated all over for the way they are run and managed. Why can't us locals celebrate their enterprise?
I find Dr Lewis's silence deafening. A poor show from someone defending our country when he can't defend the rights of people on his own doorstep.
"First they ignore you,
then they laugh at you,
then they fight you,
then you win."
~ Mahatma GandhiForestGrump

I think the fact that the Rt. Hon. Dr Julian Lewis MP has not stood up publicly and condemned these vicious vandals, and saboteurs is shameful.

As someone described by David Cameron as having a "formidable reputation in the field of defence and disarmament". Why has he not stood up for the rights for people to be able to enjoy peaceful relaxation on his doorstop?

Should questions be asked about his excessive drawing pin usage in his office?

Seriously, criticism should be levelled at the man for failing to spot, deter or discourage dangerous actions be it: removing or defacing signage, driving slowly in front of the cyclists, threatening abuse and of course the tacks thrown over the road, which could have killed someone.

Obviously these actions are nowhere near the scale of the dreadful events in Boston. But surely we should all stand up for the freedoms of people to enjoy peaceful enjoyment and their chosen sport. The principle is the same.

Also, the word "commercial" has been bounded around like it is a dirty word. Let us not forget that UK Cycling Events are a local company, based in Fordingbridge. They do these events all over the country. They employ local people and they are even advertising vacancies right now. Their events have been celebrated all over for the way they are run and managed. Why can't us locals celebrate their enterprise?

I find Dr Lewis's silence deafening. A poor show from someone defending our country when he can't defend the rights of people on his own doorstep.

"First they ignore you,
then they laugh at you,
then they fight you,
then you win."
~ Mahatma Gandhi

Score: 1

johngoodger
10:05am Tue 16 Apr 13

The New forest is a National Park for the benefit of all - not a private domain just for people who actually live there.
Let's have many more events like this one which was excellently organised.
no noise, No emissions just people out to enjoy themselves.

The New forest is a National Park for the benefit of all - not a private domain just for people who actually live there.
Let's have many more events like this one which was excellently organised.
no noise, No emissions just people out to enjoy themselves.johngoodger

The New forest is a National Park for the benefit of all - not a private domain just for people who actually live there.
Let's have many more events like this one which was excellently organised.
no noise, No emissions just people out to enjoy themselves.

Score: 1

Arthur Maureen
1:25pm Tue 16 Apr 13

Turtlebay wrote…

"Gooby! says... This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals."

No Gooby, it also belongs to the people who live here and own their own property. The properties do not belong to the National Park and were mostly already occupied BEFORE the New Forest became a National Park. It was forced on us.

Your a proper inbred aren't you, admit it.

[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote:
"Gooby! says... This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals."
No Gooby, it also belongs to the people who live here and own their own property. The properties do not belong to the National Park and were mostly already occupied BEFORE the New Forest became a National Park. It was forced on us.[/p][/quote]Your a proper inbred aren't you, admit it.Arthur Maureen

Turtlebay wrote…

"Gooby! says... This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals."

No Gooby, it also belongs to the people who live here and own their own property. The properties do not belong to the National Park and were mostly already occupied BEFORE the New Forest became a National Park. It was forced on us.

Your a proper inbred aren't you, admit it.

Score: 1

jadealana
1:59pm Tue 16 Apr 13

Obviously the people who done this need to seriously get a life!! And some friends! They obviously have nothing in their lives and are extremely bored and have a pointless existence because why else would anyone do such a nasty, perfectic act likes this? What is going on with the world!?

Obviously the people who done this need to seriously get a life!! And some friends! They obviously have nothing in their lives and are extremely bored and have a pointless existence because why else would anyone do such a nasty, perfectic act likes this? What is going on with the world!?jadealana

Obviously the people who done this need to seriously get a life!! And some friends! They obviously have nothing in their lives and are extremely bored and have a pointless existence because why else would anyone do such a nasty, perfectic act likes this? What is going on with the world!?

Score: 1

Village Idiot
5:12pm Tue 16 Apr 13

You lot give me the screamin' ad-dabs. You winge and whine about car drivers, that you're saving the planet by riding your bike but drive 60 miles to get here!
The New Forest is not, I repeat, not a National Sports Stadium, it's a National Park for the quiet enjoyment of all, not renegade cyclists in lycra, head down a** up scaring the wildlife. If you don't like people taking a different attitude to you then don't bother coming down here with your big city ways trying to change what you wanted to enjoy in the first place. The lovely, peaceful surroundings!
Go break a spoke!!!

You lot give me the screamin' ad-dabs. You winge and whine about car drivers, that you're saving the planet by riding your bike but drive 60 miles to get here!
The New Forest is not, I repeat, not a National Sports Stadium, it's a National Park for the quiet enjoyment of all, not renegade cyclists in lycra, head down a** up scaring the wildlife. If you don't like people taking a different attitude to you then don't bother coming down here with your big city ways trying to change what you wanted to enjoy in the first place. The lovely, peaceful surroundings!
Go break a spoke!!!Village Idiot

You lot give me the screamin' ad-dabs. You winge and whine about car drivers, that you're saving the planet by riding your bike but drive 60 miles to get here!
The New Forest is not, I repeat, not a National Sports Stadium, it's a National Park for the quiet enjoyment of all, not renegade cyclists in lycra, head down a** up scaring the wildlife. If you don't like people taking a different attitude to you then don't bother coming down here with your big city ways trying to change what you wanted to enjoy in the first place. The lovely, peaceful surroundings!
Go break a spoke!!!

Score: -1

Arthur Maureen
7:43pm Tue 16 Apr 13

Village Idiot wrote…

You lot give me the screamin' ad-dabs. You winge and whine about car drivers, that you're saving the planet by riding your bike but drive 60 miles to get here!
The New Forest is not, I repeat, not a National Sports Stadium, it's a National Park for the quiet enjoyment of all, not renegade cyclists in lycra, head down a** up scaring the wildlife. If you don't like people taking a different attitude to you then don't bother coming down here with your big city ways trying to change what you wanted to enjoy in the first place. The lovely, peaceful surroundings!
Go break a spoke!!!

Actually, I rode like many others to the forest for the race you numbskull. It's morons like you and your inbred folk who roam the forest thinking your some kind of feudal masters of what you see.. your just a jumped up troll who likes to jump up and down when he sees others taking enjoyment.. and as for the 'scaring the wildlife' comment, are you for real?! If your lot are not knee deep in fox guts or not wringing the neck of some poor creature it's considered a bad day!!! See you soon back in 'your' forest yer redneck, make yourself known and I will tell you this in person. Arthur

[quote][p][bold]Village Idiot[/bold] wrote:
You lot give me the screamin' ad-dabs. You winge and whine about car drivers, that you're saving the planet by riding your bike but drive 60 miles to get here!
The New Forest is not, I repeat, not a National Sports Stadium, it's a National Park for the quiet enjoyment of all, not renegade cyclists in lycra, head down a** up scaring the wildlife. If you don't like people taking a different attitude to you then don't bother coming down here with your big city ways trying to change what you wanted to enjoy in the first place. The lovely, peaceful surroundings!
Go break a spoke!!![/p][/quote]Actually, I rode like many others to the forest for the race you numbskull. It's morons like you and your inbred folk who roam the forest thinking your some kind of feudal masters of what you see.. your just a jumped up troll who likes to jump up and down when he sees others taking enjoyment.. and as for the 'scaring the wildlife' comment, are you for real?! If your lot are not knee deep in fox guts or not wringing the neck of some poor creature it's considered a bad day!!! See you soon back in 'your' forest yer redneck, make yourself known and I will tell you this in person. ArthurArthur Maureen

Village Idiot wrote…

You lot give me the screamin' ad-dabs. You winge and whine about car drivers, that you're saving the planet by riding your bike but drive 60 miles to get here!
The New Forest is not, I repeat, not a National Sports Stadium, it's a National Park for the quiet enjoyment of all, not renegade cyclists in lycra, head down a** up scaring the wildlife. If you don't like people taking a different attitude to you then don't bother coming down here with your big city ways trying to change what you wanted to enjoy in the first place. The lovely, peaceful surroundings!
Go break a spoke!!!

Actually, I rode like many others to the forest for the race you numbskull. It's morons like you and your inbred folk who roam the forest thinking your some kind of feudal masters of what you see.. your just a jumped up troll who likes to jump up and down when he sees others taking enjoyment.. and as for the 'scaring the wildlife' comment, are you for real?! If your lot are not knee deep in fox guts or not wringing the neck of some poor creature it's considered a bad day!!! See you soon back in 'your' forest yer redneck, make yourself known and I will tell you this in person. Arthur

Score: 1

Village Idiot
7:56pm Tue 16 Apr 13

Arthur Maureen wrote…

Village Idiot wrote…

You lot give me the screamin' ad-dabs. You winge and whine about car drivers, that you're saving the planet by riding your bike but drive 60 miles to get here!
The New Forest is not, I repeat, not a National Sports Stadium, it's a National Park for the quiet enjoyment of all, not renegade cyclists in lycra, head down a** up scaring the wildlife. If you don't like people taking a different attitude to you then don't bother coming down here with your big city ways trying to change what you wanted to enjoy in the first place. The lovely, peaceful surroundings!
Go break a spoke!!!

Actually, I rode like many others to the forest for the race you numbskull. It's morons like you and your inbred folk who roam the forest thinking your some kind of feudal masters of what you see.. your just a jumped up troll who likes to jump up and down when he sees others taking enjoyment.. and as for the 'scaring the wildlife' comment, are you for real?! If your lot are not knee deep in fox guts or not wringing the neck of some poor creature it's considered a bad day!!! See you soon back in 'your' forest yer redneck, make yourself known and I will tell you this in person. Arthur

Numbskull, moron, inbred, troll, redneck!
Impressively descriptive of someone you've never met. Still I suppose you may say the same about my comments of some of you.
Having had published books of walking in the New Forest over the past 40 years I believe I have a right to my views without you reverting to name calling. I abhor hunting and do not own land within the New Forest, so am not feudal either.
Still, it takes all manner of folk to generate this amount of stupidity that you have brought upon yourself and the other cyclists with your 'holier than thou' attitude. Hey ho. I'm off to buy some more tacks, for my horseshoes!

[quote][p][bold]Arthur Maureen[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Village Idiot[/bold] wrote:
You lot give me the screamin' ad-dabs. You winge and whine about car drivers, that you're saving the planet by riding your bike but drive 60 miles to get here!
The New Forest is not, I repeat, not a National Sports Stadium, it's a National Park for the quiet enjoyment of all, not renegade cyclists in lycra, head down a** up scaring the wildlife. If you don't like people taking a different attitude to you then don't bother coming down here with your big city ways trying to change what you wanted to enjoy in the first place. The lovely, peaceful surroundings!
Go break a spoke!!![/p][/quote]Actually, I rode like many others to the forest for the race you numbskull. It's morons like you and your inbred folk who roam the forest thinking your some kind of feudal masters of what you see.. your just a jumped up troll who likes to jump up and down when he sees others taking enjoyment.. and as for the 'scaring the wildlife' comment, are you for real?! If your lot are not knee deep in fox guts or not wringing the neck of some poor creature it's considered a bad day!!! See you soon back in 'your' forest yer redneck, make yourself known and I will tell you this in person. Arthur[/p][/quote]Numbskull, moron, inbred, troll, redneck!
Impressively descriptive of someone you've never met. Still I suppose you may say the same about my comments of some of you.
Having had published books of walking in the New Forest over the past 40 years I believe I have a right to my views without you reverting to name calling. I abhor hunting and do not own land within the New Forest, so am not feudal either.
Still, it takes all manner of folk to generate this amount of stupidity that you have brought upon yourself and the other cyclists with your 'holier than thou' attitude. Hey ho. I'm off to buy some more tacks, for my horseshoes!Village Idiot

Arthur Maureen wrote…

Village Idiot wrote…

You lot give me the screamin' ad-dabs. You winge and whine about car drivers, that you're saving the planet by riding your bike but drive 60 miles to get here!
The New Forest is not, I repeat, not a National Sports Stadium, it's a National Park for the quiet enjoyment of all, not renegade cyclists in lycra, head down a** up scaring the wildlife. If you don't like people taking a different attitude to you then don't bother coming down here with your big city ways trying to change what you wanted to enjoy in the first place. The lovely, peaceful surroundings!
Go break a spoke!!!

Actually, I rode like many others to the forest for the race you numbskull. It's morons like you and your inbred folk who roam the forest thinking your some kind of feudal masters of what you see.. your just a jumped up troll who likes to jump up and down when he sees others taking enjoyment.. and as for the 'scaring the wildlife' comment, are you for real?! If your lot are not knee deep in fox guts or not wringing the neck of some poor creature it's considered a bad day!!! See you soon back in 'your' forest yer redneck, make yourself known and I will tell you this in person. Arthur

Numbskull, moron, inbred, troll, redneck!
Impressively descriptive of someone you've never met. Still I suppose you may say the same about my comments of some of you.
Having had published books of walking in the New Forest over the past 40 years I believe I have a right to my views without you reverting to name calling. I abhor hunting and do not own land within the New Forest, so am not feudal either.
Still, it takes all manner of folk to generate this amount of stupidity that you have brought upon yourself and the other cyclists with your 'holier than thou' attitude. Hey ho. I'm off to buy some more tacks, for my horseshoes!

Score: 0

Turtlebay
8:21pm Tue 16 Apr 13

Arthur Maureen wrote…

Turtlebay wrote…

"Gooby! says... This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals."

No Gooby, it also belongs to the people who live here and own their own property. The properties do not belong to the National Park and were mostly already occupied BEFORE the New Forest became a National Park. It was forced on us.

Your a proper inbred aren't you, admit it.

I was merely pointing out that New Forest is not wholly owned by the National Park authorities, there are many private dwellings there. And yes, some are private roads that have not been adopted by the council, so their maintenance is paid for the residents. Not all though before you assume the worst.

[quote][p][bold]Arthur Maureen[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote:
"Gooby! says... This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals."
No Gooby, it also belongs to the people who live here and own their own property. The properties do not belong to the National Park and were mostly already occupied BEFORE the New Forest became a National Park. It was forced on us.[/p][/quote]Your a proper inbred aren't you, admit it.[/p][/quote]I was merely pointing out that New Forest is not wholly owned by the National Park authorities, there are many private dwellings there. And yes, some are private roads that have not been adopted by the council, so their maintenance is paid for the residents. Not all though before you assume the worst.
Arthur, perhaps you'd enjoy having access to your house blocked whilst 2000 cyclists ride past? Hmm?Turtlebay

Arthur Maureen wrote…

Turtlebay wrote…

"Gooby! says... This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals."

No Gooby, it also belongs to the people who live here and own their own property. The properties do not belong to the National Park and were mostly already occupied BEFORE the New Forest became a National Park. It was forced on us.

Your a proper inbred aren't you, admit it.

I was merely pointing out that New Forest is not wholly owned by the National Park authorities, there are many private dwellings there. And yes, some are private roads that have not been adopted by the council, so their maintenance is paid for the residents. Not all though before you assume the worst.

Arthur, I suspect what the villiage idiot is saying is meant firmly 'tongue-in-cheek'. At least I certainly hope so! Either that or his name is truly fitting!
Turtlebay, good for you that you own your own NF (so apt!) property. Did the cyclists do any damage within it? Did they come jumping your fences and pulling wheelies on your front lawn? If not, but you don't like them anyway then I hope you can provide your number plate so that if you ever park in MY local town car park or in MY street then i can hammer nails through your tyres and give you a good slap when you get a puncture. Seems fair justice as most people don't fall off a car that's been maliciously vandalised. Maybe next tuesday would be a fitting time.

Arthur, I suspect what the villiage idiot is saying is meant firmly 'tongue-in-cheek'. At least I certainly hope so! Either that or his name is truly fitting!
Turtlebay, good for you that you own your own NF (so apt!) property. Did the cyclists do any damage within it? Did they come jumping your fences and pulling wheelies on your front lawn? If not, but you don't like them anyway then I hope you can provide your number plate so that if you ever park in MY local town car park or in MY street then i can hammer nails through your tyres and give you a good slap when you get a puncture. Seems fair justice as most people don't fall off a car that's been maliciously vandalised. Maybe next tuesday would be a fitting time.andydixon

Arthur, I suspect what the villiage idiot is saying is meant firmly 'tongue-in-cheek'. At least I certainly hope so! Either that or his name is truly fitting!
Turtlebay, good for you that you own your own NF (so apt!) property. Did the cyclists do any damage within it? Did they come jumping your fences and pulling wheelies on your front lawn? If not, but you don't like them anyway then I hope you can provide your number plate so that if you ever park in MY local town car park or in MY street then i can hammer nails through your tyres and give you a good slap when you get a puncture. Seems fair justice as most people don't fall off a car that's been maliciously vandalised. Maybe next tuesday would be a fitting time.

Score: 1

ForestGrump
10:04pm Tue 16 Apr 13

Village Idiot wrote…

You lot give me the screamin' ad-dabs. You winge and whine about car drivers, that you're saving the planet by riding your bike but drive 60 miles to get here!
The New Forest is not, I repeat, not a National Sports Stadium, it's a National Park for the quiet enjoyment of all, not renegade cyclists in lycra, head down a** up scaring the wildlife. If you don't like people taking a different attitude to you then don't bother coming down here with your big city ways trying to change what you wanted to enjoy in the first place. The lovely, peaceful surroundings!
Go break a spoke!!!

LMLCAO (the LC stands for "lycra clad").

Genius, I repeat, Genius, Sir!

Monty Python have nothing on you.

You have made my day. Thank you.

[quote][p][bold]Village Idiot[/bold] wrote:
You lot give me the screamin' ad-dabs. You winge and whine about car drivers, that you're saving the planet by riding your bike but drive 60 miles to get here!
The New Forest is not, I repeat, not a National Sports Stadium, it's a National Park for the quiet enjoyment of all, not renegade cyclists in lycra, head down a** up scaring the wildlife. If you don't like people taking a different attitude to you then don't bother coming down here with your big city ways trying to change what you wanted to enjoy in the first place. The lovely, peaceful surroundings!
Go break a spoke!!![/p][/quote]LMLCAO (the LC stands for "lycra clad").
Genius, I repeat, Genius, Sir!
Monty Python have nothing on you.
You have made my day. Thank you.ForestGrump

Village Idiot wrote…

You lot give me the screamin' ad-dabs. You winge and whine about car drivers, that you're saving the planet by riding your bike but drive 60 miles to get here!
The New Forest is not, I repeat, not a National Sports Stadium, it's a National Park for the quiet enjoyment of all, not renegade cyclists in lycra, head down a** up scaring the wildlife. If you don't like people taking a different attitude to you then don't bother coming down here with your big city ways trying to change what you wanted to enjoy in the first place. The lovely, peaceful surroundings!
Go break a spoke!!!

LMLCAO (the LC stands for "lycra clad").

Genius, I repeat, Genius, Sir!

Monty Python have nothing on you.

You have made my day. Thank you.

Score: 0

Arthur Maureen
11:11am Wed 17 Apr 13

Turtlebay wrote…

Arthur Maureen wrote…

Turtlebay wrote…

"Gooby! says... This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals."

No Gooby, it also belongs to the people who live here and own their own property. The properties do not belong to the National Park and were mostly already occupied BEFORE the New Forest became a National Park. It was forced on us.

Your a proper inbred aren't you, admit it.

I was merely pointing out that New Forest is not wholly owned by the National Park authorities, there are many private dwellings there. And yes, some are private roads that have not been adopted by the council, so their maintenance is paid for the residents. Not all though before you assume the worst.

Get over this concept of you forest dwellers and the rest of the world!! you just live there, big deal! to make such a big thing of the ocassional weekend when events like these are held is petty, xenophobic and gives a really bad impression to others contemplating visiting the forest of the folk living within. You own your house, yes but fortunately the common land, roads etc etc NO and long may that continue.

[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Arthur Maureen[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Turtlebay[/bold] wrote:
"Gooby! says... This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals."
No Gooby, it also belongs to the people who live here and own their own property. The properties do not belong to the National Park and were mostly already occupied BEFORE the New Forest became a National Park. It was forced on us.[/p][/quote]Your a proper inbred aren't you, admit it.[/p][/quote]I was merely pointing out that New Forest is not wholly owned by the National Park authorities, there are many private dwellings there. And yes, some are private roads that have not been adopted by the council, so their maintenance is paid for the residents. Not all though before you assume the worst.
Arthur, perhaps you'd enjoy having access to your house blocked whilst 2000 cyclists ride past? Hmm?[/p][/quote]Get over this concept of you forest dwellers and the rest of the world!! you just live there, big deal! to make such a big thing of the ocassional weekend when events like these are held is petty, xenophobic and gives a really bad impression to others contemplating visiting the forest of the folk living within. You own your house, yes but fortunately the common land, roads etc etc NO and long may that continue.Arthur Maureen

Turtlebay wrote…

Arthur Maureen wrote…

Turtlebay wrote…

"Gooby! says... This is a national park, it does not belong to the locals."

No Gooby, it also belongs to the people who live here and own their own property. The properties do not belong to the National Park and were mostly already occupied BEFORE the New Forest became a National Park. It was forced on us.

Your a proper inbred aren't you, admit it.

I was merely pointing out that New Forest is not wholly owned by the National Park authorities, there are many private dwellings there. And yes, some are private roads that have not been adopted by the council, so their maintenance is paid for the residents. Not all though before you assume the worst.

Get over this concept of you forest dwellers and the rest of the world!! you just live there, big deal! to make such a big thing of the ocassional weekend when events like these are held is petty, xenophobic and gives a really bad impression to others contemplating visiting the forest of the folk living within. You own your house, yes but fortunately the common land, roads etc etc NO and long may that continue.

Score: 0

ForestGrump
11:52am Wed 17 Apr 13

The sad thing is that not every resident of the New Forest is opposed to it. Far from it!

It just seems that those who shout loudest are heard. Now the world can get to hear about how appalling a small minority (just like a small minority of cyclists) of New Forest residents can behave.

It is very sad. It is also extremely sad that not one New Forest MP has expressed their displeasure of these violent acts. Do they lack backbone? Moral fibre? Or do they really approve of the violence? We can only guess.

Do they want the New Forest to appear like some "Deliverance" like, no go backwater? It would appear so to me. Very sad. And absolutely dreadful for anyone relying on tourism. Which is about the only industry the area has. Shameful.

Dreadful news for the local people that need work. Delightful for anyone who have the luxury of owning a holiday home in the Forest, which it seems the MPs are really representing. 40% of property in Burley is a second home... The locals will have to go further and further to get work. Which is ironic when we could encourage more events like this. Oh, but then it would disturb the privileged few. Sorry forgot about that.

The MPs response? Roll tumbleweed soundtrack...

The sad thing is that not every resident of the New Forest is opposed to it. Far from it!
It just seems that those who shout loudest are heard. Now the world can get to hear about how appalling a small minority (just like a small minority of cyclists) of New Forest residents can behave.
It is very sad. It is also extremely sad that not one New Forest MP has expressed their displeasure of these violent acts. Do they lack backbone? Moral fibre? Or do they really approve of the violence? We can only guess.
Do they want the New Forest to appear like some "Deliverance" like, no go backwater? It would appear so to me. Very sad. And absolutely dreadful for anyone relying on tourism. Which is about the only industry the area has. Shameful.
Dreadful news for the local people that need work. Delightful for anyone who have the luxury of owning a holiday home in the Forest, which it seems the MPs are really representing. 40% of property in Burley is a second home... The locals will have to go further and further to get work. Which is ironic when we could encourage more events like this. Oh, but then it would disturb the privileged few. Sorry forgot about that.
The MPs response? Roll tumbleweed soundtrack...ForestGrump

The sad thing is that not every resident of the New Forest is opposed to it. Far from it!

It just seems that those who shout loudest are heard. Now the world can get to hear about how appalling a small minority (just like a small minority of cyclists) of New Forest residents can behave.

It is very sad. It is also extremely sad that not one New Forest MP has expressed their displeasure of these violent acts. Do they lack backbone? Moral fibre? Or do they really approve of the violence? We can only guess.

Do they want the New Forest to appear like some "Deliverance" like, no go backwater? It would appear so to me. Very sad. And absolutely dreadful for anyone relying on tourism. Which is about the only industry the area has. Shameful.

Dreadful news for the local people that need work. Delightful for anyone who have the luxury of owning a holiday home in the Forest, which it seems the MPs are really representing. 40% of property in Burley is a second home... The locals will have to go further and further to get work. Which is ironic when we could encourage more events like this. Oh, but then it would disturb the privileged few. Sorry forgot about that.

The MPs response? Roll tumbleweed soundtrack...

Score: 1

ForestGrump
11:58am Wed 17 Apr 13

Oh, just to make it clear. I live in the New Forest, pay council tax. My wife rides ponies, I cycle and we both drive cars.

We will be also be expressing our displeasure with the current MPs come voting time.

Oh, just to make it clear. I live in the New Forest, pay council tax. My wife rides ponies, I cycle and we both drive cars.
We will be also be expressing our displeasure with the current MPs come voting time.ForestGrump

Oh, just to make it clear. I live in the New Forest, pay council tax. My wife rides ponies, I cycle and we both drive cars.

We will be also be expressing our displeasure with the current MPs come voting time.

Score: 1

Trolley Cub
1:29pm Wed 17 Apr 13

Times were when the poor lived in the country and the rich lived in the local manor,grand estate or castle.
Then the poor were removed and told to go live in the towns and cities.
In the south of England you have to be basically rich to live in the country, especially in the New Forest.
Obviously these protesters are outraged because they think that just because they live in the New Forest no one else has the right to be there.
Having lived in a town in the general area,I've experienced the backward, congenitally ignorant,sickening attitude these people come out with.
This ridiculous fracas says alot about the remaining state of the nation, especially in that part of the South.
Lets be honest,it has nothing to do with cyclists but it does seem very strange that at the moment the UK has some of the best cyclists sportsman in the world.
Other countries have major cycling sporting events that attract millions of viewers and tens of thousands of spectators,why not the New Forest, you are an embarrassment,shame on you!

Times were when the poor lived in the country and the rich lived in the local manor,grand estate or castle.
Then the poor were removed and told to go live in the towns and cities.
In the south of England you have to be basically rich to live in the country, especially in the New Forest.
Obviously these protesters are outraged because they think that just because they live in the New Forest no one else has the right to be there.
Having lived in a town in the general area,I've experienced the backward, congenitally ignorant,sickening attitude these people come out with.
This ridiculous fracas says alot about the remaining state of the nation, especially in that part of the South.
Lets be honest,it has nothing to do with cyclists but it does seem very strange that at the moment the UK has some of the best cyclists sportsman in the world.
Other countries have major cycling sporting events that attract millions of viewers and tens of thousands of spectators,why not the New Forest, you are an embarrassment,shame on you!Trolley Cub

Times were when the poor lived in the country and the rich lived in the local manor,grand estate or castle.
Then the poor were removed and told to go live in the towns and cities.
In the south of England you have to be basically rich to live in the country, especially in the New Forest.
Obviously these protesters are outraged because they think that just because they live in the New Forest no one else has the right to be there.
Having lived in a town in the general area,I've experienced the backward, congenitally ignorant,sickening attitude these people come out with.
This ridiculous fracas says alot about the remaining state of the nation, especially in that part of the South.
Lets be honest,it has nothing to do with cyclists but it does seem very strange that at the moment the UK has some of the best cyclists sportsman in the world.
Other countries have major cycling sporting events that attract millions of viewers and tens of thousands of spectators,why not the New Forest, you are an embarrassment,shame on you!

Score: 1

ForestGrump
1:48pm Wed 17 Apr 13

I agree, Sir. I think it has nothing whatsoever to do with cycling. It could have been any group.

I personally think it is a backlash to the anti-hunting, country sports laws etc.

"If we can't do our sport, let's not let anyone else have fun".

I could be wrong but that's what I believe.

I agree, Sir. I think it has nothing whatsoever to do with cycling. It could have been any group.
I personally think it is a backlash to the anti-hunting, country sports laws etc.
"If we can't do our sport, let's not let anyone else have fun".
I could be wrong but that's what I believe.ForestGrump

I agree, Sir. I think it has nothing whatsoever to do with cycling. It could have been any group.

I personally think it is a backlash to the anti-hunting, country sports laws etc.

"If we can't do our sport, let's not let anyone else have fun".

I could be wrong but that's what I believe.

Score: 1

Alfonso999
2:21pm Wed 17 Apr 13

I hope the unidentified cyclist who has broken their collar bone will make a speedy recovery. Has he/she been identified yet? I understand South Central Ambulance Service don't appear to have this accident logged. Interested also to hear from anyone else who saw these alleged reported tacks on the road in Boldre. The organiser states on a video that the police have the registration number of the person who allegedly pulled down 1,000 signs (sounds more like an organised chain gang),so the culprit should be nidentified shortly. If any or all of these things are true it is appalling and not to be condoned.Whatever the truth they came in very handy for the organiser by deflecting from the disaster going on at New Park as reported on FB with participants' cars sinking in the mud and the organisers tent under water.The weather was great on Sunday it was just the lack of car parking due to the mud at New Park and the torrential rain on Saturday. Far easier to blame the dissenting locals me thinks.

I hope the unidentified cyclist who has broken their collar bone will make a speedy recovery. Has he/she been identified yet? I understand South Central Ambulance Service don't appear to have this accident logged. Interested also to hear from anyone else who saw these alleged reported tacks on the road in Boldre. The organiser states on a video that the police have the registration number of the person who allegedly pulled down 1,000 signs (sounds more like an organised chain gang),so the culprit should be nidentified shortly. If any or all of these things are true it is appalling and not to be condoned.Whatever the truth they came in very handy for the organiser by deflecting from the disaster going on at New Park as reported on FB with participants' cars sinking in the mud and the organisers tent under water.The weather was great on Sunday it was just the lack of car parking due to the mud at New Park and the torrential rain on Saturday. Far easier to blame the dissenting locals me thinks.Alfonso999

I hope the unidentified cyclist who has broken their collar bone will make a speedy recovery. Has he/she been identified yet? I understand South Central Ambulance Service don't appear to have this accident logged. Interested also to hear from anyone else who saw these alleged reported tacks on the road in Boldre. The organiser states on a video that the police have the registration number of the person who allegedly pulled down 1,000 signs (sounds more like an organised chain gang),so the culprit should be nidentified shortly. If any or all of these things are true it is appalling and not to be condoned.Whatever the truth they came in very handy for the organiser by deflecting from the disaster going on at New Park as reported on FB with participants' cars sinking in the mud and the organisers tent under water.The weather was great on Sunday it was just the lack of car parking due to the mud at New Park and the torrential rain on Saturday. Far easier to blame the dissenting locals me thinks.

Score: -1

Alfonso999
4:25pm Wed 17 Apr 13

ForestGrump wrote…

I think the fact that the Rt. Hon. Dr Julian Lewis MP has not stood up publicly and condemned these vicious vandals, and saboteurs is shameful. As someone described by David Cameron as having a "formidable reputation in the field of defence and disarmament". Why has he not stood up for the rights for people to be able to enjoy peaceful relaxation on his doorstop? Should questions be asked about his excessive drawing pin usage in his office? Seriously, criticism should be levelled at the man for failing to spot, deter or discourage dangerous actions be it: removing or defacing signage, driving slowly in front of the cyclists, threatening abuse and of course the tacks thrown over the road, which could have killed someone. Obviously these actions are nowhere near the scale of the dreadful events in Boston. But surely we should all stand up for the freedoms of people to enjoy peaceful enjoyment and their chosen sport. The principle is the same. Also, the word "commercial" has been bounded around like it is a dirty word. Let us not forget that UK Cycling Events are a local company, based in Fordingbridge. They do these events all over the country. They employ local people and they are even advertising vacancies right now. Their events have been celebrated all over for the way they are run and managed. Why can't us locals celebrate their enterprise? I find Dr Lewis's silence deafening. A poor show from someone defending our country when he can't defend the rights of people on his own doorstep. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." ~ Mahatma Gandhi

[quote][p][bold]ForestGrump[/bold] wrote:
I think the fact that the Rt. Hon. Dr Julian Lewis MP has not stood up publicly and condemned these vicious vandals, and saboteurs is shameful. As someone described by David Cameron as having a "formidable reputation in the field of defence and disarmament". Why has he not stood up for the rights for people to be able to enjoy peaceful relaxation on his doorstop? Should questions be asked about his excessive drawing pin usage in his office? Seriously, criticism should be levelled at the man for failing to spot, deter or discourage dangerous actions be it: removing or defacing signage, driving slowly in front of the cyclists, threatening abuse and of course the tacks thrown over the road, which could have killed someone. Obviously these actions are nowhere near the scale of the dreadful events in Boston. But surely we should all stand up for the freedoms of people to enjoy peaceful enjoyment and their chosen sport. The principle is the same. Also, the word "commercial" has been bounded around like it is a dirty word. Let us not forget that UK Cycling Events are a local company, based in Fordingbridge. They do these events all over the country. They employ local people and they are even advertising vacancies right now. Their events have been celebrated all over for the way they are run and managed. Why can't us locals celebrate their enterprise? I find Dr Lewis's silence deafening. A poor show from someone defending our country when he can't defend the rights of people on his own doorstep. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." ~ Mahatma Gandhi[/p][/quote]Anyone know the address of UK Cycling in Fordingbridge? Can't seem to find it.Their registered address is Poole.Alfonso999

ForestGrump wrote…

I think the fact that the Rt. Hon. Dr Julian Lewis MP has not stood up publicly and condemned these vicious vandals, and saboteurs is shameful. As someone described by David Cameron as having a "formidable reputation in the field of defence and disarmament". Why has he not stood up for the rights for people to be able to enjoy peaceful relaxation on his doorstop? Should questions be asked about his excessive drawing pin usage in his office? Seriously, criticism should be levelled at the man for failing to spot, deter or discourage dangerous actions be it: removing or defacing signage, driving slowly in front of the cyclists, threatening abuse and of course the tacks thrown over the road, which could have killed someone. Obviously these actions are nowhere near the scale of the dreadful events in Boston. But surely we should all stand up for the freedoms of people to enjoy peaceful enjoyment and their chosen sport. The principle is the same. Also, the word "commercial" has been bounded around like it is a dirty word. Let us not forget that UK Cycling Events are a local company, based in Fordingbridge. They do these events all over the country. They employ local people and they are even advertising vacancies right now. Their events have been celebrated all over for the way they are run and managed. Why can't us locals celebrate their enterprise? I find Dr Lewis's silence deafening. A poor show from someone defending our country when he can't defend the rights of people on his own doorstep. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." ~ Mahatma Gandhi

I hope the unidentified cyclist who has broken their collar bone will make a speedy recovery. Has he/she been identified yet? I understand South Central Ambulance Service don't appear to have this accident logged. Interested also to hear from anyone else who saw these alleged reported tacks on the road in Boldre. The organiser states on a video that the police have the registration number of the person who allegedly pulled down 1,000 signs (sounds more like an organised chain gang),so the culprit should be nidentified shortly. If any or all of these things are true it is appalling and not to be condoned.Whatever the truth they came in very handy for the organiser by deflecting from the disaster going on at New Park as reported on FB with participants' cars sinking in the mud and the organisers tent under water.The weather was great on Sunday it was just the lack of car parking due to the mud at New Park and the torrential rain on Saturday. Far easier to blame the dissenting locals me thinks.

Yes, it was a shame about the weather, and it looks like it still must be wet as the Mopley RC Showjumping Day on Sunday, April 21, 2013 has been cancelled also due to the wet ground conditions still at New Park.

[quote][p][bold]Alfonso999[/bold] wrote:
I hope the unidentified cyclist who has broken their collar bone will make a speedy recovery. Has he/she been identified yet? I understand South Central Ambulance Service don't appear to have this accident logged. Interested also to hear from anyone else who saw these alleged reported tacks on the road in Boldre. The organiser states on a video that the police have the registration number of the person who allegedly pulled down 1,000 signs (sounds more like an organised chain gang),so the culprit should be nidentified shortly. If any or all of these things are true it is appalling and not to be condoned.Whatever the truth they came in very handy for the organiser by deflecting from the disaster going on at New Park as reported on FB with participants' cars sinking in the mud and the organisers tent under water.The weather was great on Sunday it was just the lack of car parking due to the mud at New Park and the torrential rain on Saturday. Far easier to blame the dissenting locals me thinks.[/p][/quote]Yes, it was a shame about the weather, and it looks like it still must be wet as the Mopley RC Showjumping Day on Sunday, April 21, 2013 has been cancelled also due to the wet ground conditions still at New Park.ForestGrump

Alfonso999 wrote…

I hope the unidentified cyclist who has broken their collar bone will make a speedy recovery. Has he/she been identified yet? I understand South Central Ambulance Service don't appear to have this accident logged. Interested also to hear from anyone else who saw these alleged reported tacks on the road in Boldre. The organiser states on a video that the police have the registration number of the person who allegedly pulled down 1,000 signs (sounds more like an organised chain gang),so the culprit should be nidentified shortly. If any or all of these things are true it is appalling and not to be condoned.Whatever the truth they came in very handy for the organiser by deflecting from the disaster going on at New Park as reported on FB with participants' cars sinking in the mud and the organisers tent under water.The weather was great on Sunday it was just the lack of car parking due to the mud at New Park and the torrential rain on Saturday. Far easier to blame the dissenting locals me thinks.

Yes, it was a shame about the weather, and it looks like it still must be wet as the Mopley RC Showjumping Day on Sunday, April 21, 2013 has been cancelled also due to the wet ground conditions still at New Park.

Score: 0

ForestGrump
6:03pm Wed 17 Apr 13

Alfonso999 wrote…

ForestGrump wrote…

I think the fact that the Rt. Hon. Dr Julian Lewis MP has not stood up publicly and condemned these vicious vandals, and saboteurs is shameful. As someone described by David Cameron as having a "formidable reputation in the field of defence and disarmament". Why has he not stood up for the rights for people to be able to enjoy peaceful relaxation on his doorstop? Should questions be asked about his excessive drawing pin usage in his office? Seriously, criticism should be levelled at the man for failing to spot, deter or discourage dangerous actions be it: removing or defacing signage, driving slowly in front of the cyclists, threatening abuse and of course the tacks thrown over the road, which could have killed someone. Obviously these actions are nowhere near the scale of the dreadful events in Boston. But surely we should all stand up for the freedoms of people to enjoy peaceful enjoyment and their chosen sport. The principle is the same. Also, the word "commercial" has been bounded around like it is a dirty word. Let us not forget that UK Cycling Events are a local company, based in Fordingbridge. They do these events all over the country. They employ local people and they are even advertising vacancies right now. Their events have been celebrated all over for the way they are run and managed. Why can't us locals celebrate their enterprise? I find Dr Lewis's silence deafening. A poor show from someone defending our country when he can't defend the rights of people on his own doorstep. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." ~ Mahatma Gandhi

[quote][p][bold]Alfonso999[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]ForestGrump[/bold] wrote:
I think the fact that the Rt. Hon. Dr Julian Lewis MP has not stood up publicly and condemned these vicious vandals, and saboteurs is shameful. As someone described by David Cameron as having a "formidable reputation in the field of defence and disarmament". Why has he not stood up for the rights for people to be able to enjoy peaceful relaxation on his doorstop? Should questions be asked about his excessive drawing pin usage in his office? Seriously, criticism should be levelled at the man for failing to spot, deter or discourage dangerous actions be it: removing or defacing signage, driving slowly in front of the cyclists, threatening abuse and of course the tacks thrown over the road, which could have killed someone. Obviously these actions are nowhere near the scale of the dreadful events in Boston. But surely we should all stand up for the freedoms of people to enjoy peaceful enjoyment and their chosen sport. The principle is the same. Also, the word "commercial" has been bounded around like it is a dirty word. Let us not forget that UK Cycling Events are a local company, based in Fordingbridge. They do these events all over the country. They employ local people and they are even advertising vacancies right now. Their events have been celebrated all over for the way they are run and managed. Why can't us locals celebrate their enterprise? I find Dr Lewis's silence deafening. A poor show from someone defending our country when he can't defend the rights of people on his own doorstep. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." ~ Mahatma Gandhi[/p][/quote]Anyone know the address of UK Cycling in Fordingbridge? Can't seem to find it.Their registered address is Poole.[/p][/quote]The BBC and other media reported that they were in Fordingbridge.
You could try asking them:
http://www.ukcycling
events.co.uk/contact
/ForestGrump

Alfonso999 wrote…

ForestGrump wrote…

I think the fact that the Rt. Hon. Dr Julian Lewis MP has not stood up publicly and condemned these vicious vandals, and saboteurs is shameful. As someone described by David Cameron as having a "formidable reputation in the field of defence and disarmament". Why has he not stood up for the rights for people to be able to enjoy peaceful relaxation on his doorstop? Should questions be asked about his excessive drawing pin usage in his office? Seriously, criticism should be levelled at the man for failing to spot, deter or discourage dangerous actions be it: removing or defacing signage, driving slowly in front of the cyclists, threatening abuse and of course the tacks thrown over the road, which could have killed someone. Obviously these actions are nowhere near the scale of the dreadful events in Boston. But surely we should all stand up for the freedoms of people to enjoy peaceful enjoyment and their chosen sport. The principle is the same. Also, the word "commercial" has been bounded around like it is a dirty word. Let us not forget that UK Cycling Events are a local company, based in Fordingbridge. They do these events all over the country. They employ local people and they are even advertising vacancies right now. Their events have been celebrated all over for the way they are run and managed. Why can't us locals celebrate their enterprise? I find Dr Lewis's silence deafening. A poor show from someone defending our country when he can't defend the rights of people on his own doorstep. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." ~ Mahatma Gandhi

I think the fact that the Rt. Hon. Dr Julian Lewis MP has not stood up publicly and condemned these vicious vandals, and saboteurs is shameful. As someone described by David Cameron as having a "formidable reputation in the field of defence and disarmament". Why has he not stood up for the rights for people to be able to enjoy peaceful relaxation on his doorstop? Should questions be asked about his excessive drawing pin usage in his office? Seriously, criticism should be levelled at the man for failing to spot, deter or discourage dangerous actions be it: removing or defacing signage, driving slowly in front of the cyclists, threatening abuse and of course the tacks thrown over the road, which could have killed someone. Obviously these actions are nowhere near the scale of the dreadful events in Boston. But surely we should all stand up for the freedoms of people to enjoy peaceful enjoyment and their chosen sport. The principle is the same. Also, the word "commercial" has been bounded around like it is a dirty word. Let us not forget that UK Cycling Events are a local company, based in Fordingbridge. They do these events all over the country. They employ local people and they are even advertising vacancies right now. Their events have been celebrated all over for the way they are run and managed. Why can't us locals celebrate their enterprise? I find Dr Lewis's silence deafening. A poor show from someone defending our country when he can't defend the rights of people on his own doorstep. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." ~ Mahatma Gandhi

The BBC and other media reported that they were in Fordingbridge. You could try asking them: http://www.ukcycling events.co.uk/contact /

No response. Just wondered if anyone knew...

[quote][p][bold]ForestGrump[/bold] wrote:
[quote][p][bold]Alfonso999[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]ForestGrump[/bold] wrote: I think the fact that the Rt. Hon. Dr Julian Lewis MP has not stood up publicly and condemned these vicious vandals, and saboteurs is shameful. As someone described by David Cameron as having a "formidable reputation in the field of defence and disarmament". Why has he not stood up for the rights for people to be able to enjoy peaceful relaxation on his doorstop? Should questions be asked about his excessive drawing pin usage in his office? Seriously, criticism should be levelled at the man for failing to spot, deter or discourage dangerous actions be it: removing or defacing signage, driving slowly in front of the cyclists, threatening abuse and of course the tacks thrown over the road, which could have killed someone. Obviously these actions are nowhere near the scale of the dreadful events in Boston. But surely we should all stand up for the freedoms of people to enjoy peaceful enjoyment and their chosen sport. The principle is the same. Also, the word "commercial" has been bounded around like it is a dirty word. Let us not forget that UK Cycling Events are a local company, based in Fordingbridge. They do these events all over the country. They employ local people and they are even advertising vacancies right now. Their events have been celebrated all over for the way they are run and managed. Why can't us locals celebrate their enterprise? I find Dr Lewis's silence deafening. A poor show from someone defending our country when he can't defend the rights of people on his own doorstep. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." ~ Mahatma Gandhi[/p][/quote]Anyone know the address of UK Cycling in Fordingbridge? Can't seem to find it.Their registered address is Poole.[/p][/quote]The BBC and other media reported that they were in Fordingbridge. You could try asking them: http://www.ukcycling events.co.uk/contact /[/p][/quote]No response. Just wondered if anyone knew...Alfonso999

ForestGrump wrote…

Alfonso999 wrote…

ForestGrump wrote…

I think the fact that the Rt. Hon. Dr Julian Lewis MP has not stood up publicly and condemned these vicious vandals, and saboteurs is shameful. As someone described by David Cameron as having a "formidable reputation in the field of defence and disarmament". Why has he not stood up for the rights for people to be able to enjoy peaceful relaxation on his doorstop? Should questions be asked about his excessive drawing pin usage in his office? Seriously, criticism should be levelled at the man for failing to spot, deter or discourage dangerous actions be it: removing or defacing signage, driving slowly in front of the cyclists, threatening abuse and of course the tacks thrown over the road, which could have killed someone. Obviously these actions are nowhere near the scale of the dreadful events in Boston. But surely we should all stand up for the freedoms of people to enjoy peaceful enjoyment and their chosen sport. The principle is the same. Also, the word "commercial" has been bounded around like it is a dirty word. Let us not forget that UK Cycling Events are a local company, based in Fordingbridge. They do these events all over the country. They employ local people and they are even advertising vacancies right now. Their events have been celebrated all over for the way they are run and managed. Why can't us locals celebrate their enterprise? I find Dr Lewis's silence deafening. A poor show from someone defending our country when he can't defend the rights of people on his own doorstep. "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." ~ Mahatma Gandhi

The BBC and other media reported that they were in Fordingbridge. You could try asking them: http://www.ukcycling events.co.uk/contact /

No response. Just wondered if anyone knew...

Score: 0

andydixon
9:10pm Wed 17 Apr 13

I loved the comment about "Would you like 2000 cyclists riding past your house"
Absolutely classic! WAY better than anything Monty Python came up with. "Is it a cyclist? I believe so dear, he is on one of those penny parthings with both wheels the same size. Is he alive? No Dear, he isn't moving much and just fell off his saddle but that's because I tacked the road. Oh well, finish him orrff quickly with the range rover before anyone sees. LOL.
Remember, a lot of us town dwellers have far more than 2000 noisy, polluting cars a day passing our houses. ONE OF THEM IS PROBABLY YOURS. If you wish to swap your cars for cycles to come and visit our areas on a daily basis from monday to friday, I would really appreciate it. It would allow us to ride our bikes or walk around in comfort, quietness and safety. Possibly, one day the roads will be safe enough for you to come and ride your horses here.

I loved the comment about "Would you like 2000 cyclists riding past your house"
Absolutely classic! WAY better than anything Monty Python came up with. "Is it a cyclist? I believe so dear, he is on one of those penny parthings with both wheels the same size. Is he alive? No Dear, he isn't moving much and just fell off his saddle but that's because I tacked the road. Oh well, finish him orrff quickly with the range rover before anyone sees. LOL.
Remember, a lot of us town dwellers have far more than 2000 noisy, polluting cars a day passing our houses. ONE OF THEM IS PROBABLY YOURS. If you wish to swap your cars for cycles to come and visit our areas on a daily basis from monday to friday, I would really appreciate it. It would allow us to ride our bikes or walk around in comfort, quietness and safety. Possibly, one day the roads will be safe enough for you to come and ride your horses here.andydixon

I loved the comment about "Would you like 2000 cyclists riding past your house"
Absolutely classic! WAY better than anything Monty Python came up with. "Is it a cyclist? I believe so dear, he is on one of those penny parthings with both wheels the same size. Is he alive? No Dear, he isn't moving much and just fell off his saddle but that's because I tacked the road. Oh well, finish him orrff quickly with the range rover before anyone sees. LOL.
Remember, a lot of us town dwellers have far more than 2000 noisy, polluting cars a day passing our houses. ONE OF THEM IS PROBABLY YOURS. If you wish to swap your cars for cycles to come and visit our areas on a daily basis from monday to friday, I would really appreciate it. It would allow us to ride our bikes or walk around in comfort, quietness and safety. Possibly, one day the roads will be safe enough for you to come and ride your horses here.

Score: 1

Dorset Logic
1:04pm Thu 18 Apr 13

It's coming to me.
I'm getting,

A strong smell of silk cravat,
Mixed with a tinge of Subaru Forester,
colluding with a slight dose of Wallflower intertwined with cat repellent.
Notes of a strong Daily Mail belief in ones perceived rights being infringed
and a strong nose that leans towards a sadness that one didn't think of the idea themselves and take the cash.
All this is melded with an overpowering bouquet of Xenaphobia which doesn't break down or mellow with age.

It's coming to me.
I'm getting,
A strong smell of silk cravat,
Mixed with a tinge of Subaru Forester,
colluding with a slight dose of Wallflower intertwined with cat repellent.
Notes of a strong Daily Mail belief in ones perceived rights being infringed
and a strong nose that leans towards a sadness that one didn't think of the idea themselves and take the cash.
All this is melded with an overpowering bouquet of Xenaphobia which doesn't break down or mellow with age.Dorset Logic

It's coming to me.
I'm getting,

A strong smell of silk cravat,
Mixed with a tinge of Subaru Forester,
colluding with a slight dose of Wallflower intertwined with cat repellent.
Notes of a strong Daily Mail belief in ones perceived rights being infringed
and a strong nose that leans towards a sadness that one didn't think of the idea themselves and take the cash.
All this is melded with an overpowering bouquet of Xenaphobia which doesn't break down or mellow with age.

Score: 0

Alfonso999
3:34pm Thu 18 Apr 13

Did someone suggest reintroducing the Poll Tax or did I miss something?Why make comments personal?

Did someone suggest reintroducing the Poll Tax or did I miss something?Why make comments personal?Alfonso999

Did someone suggest reintroducing the Poll Tax or did I miss something?Why make comments personal?

Score: 0

ekimnoslen
1:27pm Sat 20 Apr 13

purbeckgirl wrote…

I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?

Why do they not ride on the footpaths in the usual way?

[quote][p][bold]purbeckgirl[/bold] wrote:
I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?[/p][/quote]Why do they not ride on the footpaths in the usual way?ekimnoslen

purbeckgirl wrote…

I don't condone the tactics used I feel some sympathy - cyclists in a large group can be impossible to get past in a car, take up the whole road and then make rude gestures when you do pass them safely. Surely for an event of 1850 people the organisers should pay for the roads to be closed?

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