I installed it with a CCM 3way and I got it down to the last setting and was ripping balls all over the place. PLus with my qevs it was crazy. the trigger pull was like 1mm and couldn't short stroke it at all. It was too awesome. thats the closest to a e trigger that it can be. The only bad thing is that u cant really use a stock 3 way you have to get a new 3way. so it was a good invest meant to install on my cocker