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Tell that to my previous post. No one around here wants to work. They just live off the state. It's a joke that it's 'human nature' to 'work hard'. Human nature is to live like a parasite off your family until someone complains about it.

well, yes sasuke, people who are/feel persecuted by their society won't want to work to contribute to it

"I'll go," said Chagataev. "But what will I do there? Build socialism?"
"What else?" said the secretary.

sasuke you are too much. your argument against people wanting to work for their society is "well look at all these black people who dont work!" do you have even a passing knowledge of the history of blacks in america.

"I'll go," said Chagataev. "But what will I do there? Build socialism?"
"What else?" said the secretary.

I like how you make fun of us capitalists while suggesting an ideology that actually reduces human progress to a standstill. Look at the cooperative native americans and african tribes, they were really technologically inclined Look at the USSR, they made it so the farmers didn't keep their food, it was all taken away. The farmers didn't work and grocery store's shelves were bare. When they finally did experiment with giving the farmers a plot for their family, the farmers only grew crops on that plot. The government was like "Well, why is this plot producing more than the average American farm, but the rest of the farm is in shambles?"
"Oh, that's my plot. Yeah, it's all for me and my family."

Capitalism allows so much more advancement, and yes it does weed out the nonproductive members of society, god forbid people who don't/can't work actually be poor. And don't go claiming the USA has capitalism, the USA is only capitalist in theory, the revolving door lobbyists and corporations getting handouts and all that other crap is actually socialist but socialist to rich people, not to everyone. So in essence you could say we are socialist, God, just not the kind you or I or anyone with a personal net value under one million would like.

"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." - Time Enough For Love, by Robert Heinlein

Yes. A natural disaster is the fault of capitalism. That's even worse than not knowing the history of black people.

Originally Posted by God

sasuke you are too much. your argument against people wanting to work for their society is "well look at all these black people who dont work!" do you have even a passing knowledge of the history of blacks in america.

Yes.

Blacks got shipped to America where they were slaves and worked all day on farms for no pay at all.

Nothing I'm doing here is wrong, so please, instead of telling me to just shut up, provide some reason to how I'm wrong if you disagree. I won't just sit back and let some loser over the internet tell me what to do. If you think what I say/said is stupid or of no value, then go cry emo kid.

Capitalism allows so much more advancement, and yes it does weed out the nonproductive members of society, god forbid people who don't/can't work actually be poor. And don't go claiming the USA has capitalism, the USA is only capitalist in theory, the revolving door lobbyists and corporations getting handouts and all that other crap is actually socialist but socialist to rich people, not to everyone. So in essence you could say we are socialist, God, just not the kind you or I or anyone with a personal net value under one million would like.

That is capitalism though. In a capitalist society a heredity upper-class will always emerge based on unearned inherited wealth, they will use this wealth to buy positions in the government and take care of their own. They will exploit ethnic/cultural differences to make their population easier to control. It's inevitable in the same way that Centralized Communism(aka State Capitalism[this is not really communism/socialism remember!]) will lead to corruption. Corruption and exploitation of weaker countries resources are inevitable products of a society which values capital and individual advancement over helping others and the betterment of society as a whole. Notice, this is not HUMAN nature, but the nature of a certain type of society.

"I'll go," said Chagataev. "But what will I do there? Build socialism?"
"What else?" said the secretary.

Look at the cooperative native americans and african tribes, they were really technologically inclined

Of course the cooperative native american tribes generally had a higher standard of living than say... europeans in the Victorian era. They didn't have to worry about their children being sent into workhouses in degrading, dangerous conditions to fuel the Great Machine of Capitalism. They weren't big proponent's of slavery (we're talking about the Native Americans in what would become the continental United States, if we were to add in the Maya, Aztec and Inca, then teh technological development of Native Americans soars) I've never been a Native American living before European encroachment, but my guess is that they were a lot more satisfied, happier, and other positive things than the average American in a capitalistic society.

Nothing I'm doing here is wrong, so please, instead of telling me to just shut up, provide some reason to how I'm wrong if you disagree. I won't just sit back and let some loser over the internet tell me what to do. If you think what I say/said is stupid or of no value, then go cry emo kid.

People have been pleanty specific. Your a retard, trying to debate among people who know what they are talking about. That's the whole point of what anyone has said to you. Weither you understand that or not, just leave this thread alone. You have no place in it

Hasn;t Global Warming been at least Partially debunked? There's a hole in the Ozone layer because the sun shines on one part of the world for half the year, this eats away at the Ozone and when the position of the earth moves enough, the hole heals and another one is formed in a different spot, repeat as needed.

Yes, but then there is a general weakening all around, as caused by biological sources. So, what this does, it is makes those holes much more pressed to heal up in time, and as time goes on it eats away at the entire ozone layer.