Are Carwin and Velasquez worthy of the honor? Sure, in the sense that they’re both incredibly talented, exciting to watch, and undefeated. But like many #1 contenders matches, timing is everything. From my angle, the winner of Carwin/Velasquez would have to fight the winner of Cro Cop/Dos Santos to truly determine who’s worthy of the next heavyweight title shot. Unfortunately, that would take too long, and the UFC needs to strike the Brock-iron while it’s hot.

Still, Shane vs. Cain will get the job done. After all, both possess the wrestling chops to avoid the smothering that Brock put on Heath Herring and Frank Mir, and Carwin in particular has the striking power to give Brock a bad night. (For the same reason, he’ll probably come out on top against Velasquez, who was repeatedly put on queer street by Cheick Kongo at UFC 99, and relied on his vast wrestling advantage to even the playing field — an advantage he wouldn’t have over Shane or Brock.)

And of course, Carwin vs. Velasquez is a more legitimate #1 contender fight than the upcoming welterweight match between Mike Swick and Martin Kampmann. The winner of that one gets a golden ticket to his own funeral. Good luck with the reconstructive surgery, guys.

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all carwin has to do to take the from brock is to come out to bonnie tylers "i need a hero" as his entrance music, impossible for him to lose after that, its science

Clayton- July 16, 2009 at 10:12 am

Marv, it looks a lot more like a dick than a sword.

I've seen a lot of swords and not one a SINGLE one of them had dick-like ridges and a fucking glans at the end.

That thing is 100% undeniably a cock with a handle on it.

Marv- July 16, 2009 at 9:23 am

You have issues if you look at a sword and your mind automatically comprehends this as "penis" or "huge cock."

gpd1389- July 16, 2009 at 7:12 am

Certain people need to get off Lesnar's nuts. He is a huge cock with a huge cock tattoo.

Barc- July 16, 2009 at 6:01 am

@ Goog
That 9th grade line was great. Well done. HAL is still a fag, and only about 2 of us even read the brainshit he puts on here.

I've been watching Carwin since his first fight in the UFC. You can't deny the power he's got... dude's spent a total of 12 and a half minutes in the cage in 11 fights. Gonzaga is a rough night for anyone, and Shane took 3 solid shots before he got rocked, Mr. Loupe. Go ahead and watch him put Neil Wain down, and picture a big dick on the guys chest. That's what I see in December, maybe January. Carwin's got more class than even GSP; and, he's willing to work harder than anyone I can think of to bring his skills up to match. I hope he kills Lesnar and then Fedor. I'm not holding my breath for that last one though.

Goog- July 16, 2009 at 5:20 am

@Ironclad

Just a few things:
"Faggot" has two g's.
Your is possessive. What you mean is "You are..." and the contraction for that is "you're". Maybe pay attention in 9th grade again next year. It's important to get the basics down.

Also... HAL would kick your ass. I'm a big pussy, but HAL would mangle you. I'd just direct all your anger at me if you know what's good for you.

"From my angle, the winner of Carwin/Velasquez would have to fight the winner of Cro Cop/Dos Santos to truly determine who's worthy of the next heavyweight title shot."

I think somethings wrong with your angle.. you should have it looked at and maybe get a new one. "Cro Cop" and "title shot" should never be in the same sentence again without being seperated by "will never get a". Dos Santos is several wins away from even thinking about a title as well and even if he beats Cro Cop that shouldn't put him much closer. What were you thinking on that one...

Cain has no chance against Lesnar, Carwin could be a threat. Lets pray that Cain doesn't get lucky and beat Carwin because I think he would get his ass handed to him by Lesnar and no one wants to see Lesnar win again.

rampageisgod- July 16, 2009 at 12:28 am

Fedor is only 32. He is far from irrelevant. He would dominate Lesnar. Lesnar would get desperate and try to use an F-5.

Cuntalope- July 15, 2009 at 11:45 pm

Lol if Carwin or Cain got hit with that same knee they'd be out cold, Lesnar took it and didn't have any effect. Carwin got rocked from the first punch Gonzaga threw, Cain in the Kongo fight how many times did he get caught. If Lesnar hits either even slightly its lights out, Brock actually has a decent chin unlike those fucks. So all you faggots hoping that Carwin/Cain are going to KO Lesnar are in for dissapointment. It's going to be the other wy round and then you'll have to hop onto someone elses bandwagon and hope that they have a tiny chance at beating Brock haha because you fags can't do it and have to get behind somone else like coward. Doesn't matter anyeway because no ones going to beat, he's too good. Heavyweight champion. A real belt not some cheap velcro toy belt like Fedor has. Someof you need to wake the fuck up out of dreamland and realise who just is the best heavyweight. Fedor was good like 2004, he's irelevant now.

lilpo0ts- July 15, 2009 at 11:28 pm

brock is a monster, with a cock on his chest. didnt he test positive for steroids before. mir almost kneed him out, props on the chin, but mir almost kneed him out..i feel like im lying...mir almost kneed him out...

if you dont think a big ass dude cant punch him in the face and knock him the fuck out you are seriously dillusional.

cain vs brock or carwin vs brock i see either of the 3 getting knock out in the 1st. i dont mean stopped i mean ktfo like nate quarry horizontal zombie ktfo

oh and the whole carwin same weight looks ripped and brock looks flabby...brock moves anyone in front of him like theyre behind him pushing him...he is a mac truck

rampageisgod- July 15, 2009 at 11:18 pm

We're allowed to not like Lesnar?

UFC fan- July 15, 2009 at 10:38 pm

I agree with IronClad:
either of these guys could beat cock chestner.
Cock chestner has NO skills.
HAL is most assuredly a fag.
Sadly Ironclad you left out his gay friend 831 son.

I hate that the 2 best have to fight brock, they both should get a shot at brock win lose or draw, and I bet cock chestner would lose to both of em, then all his queer fans could go away, like their buddy COOL!

UFC fan- July 15, 2009 at 10:38 pm

I agree with IronClad:
either of these guys could beat cock chestner.
Cock chestner has NO skills.
HAL is most assuredly a fag.
Sadly Ironclad you left out his gay friend 831 son.

I hate that the 2 best have to fight brock, they both should get a shot at brock win lose or draw, and I bet cock chestner would lose to both of em, then all his quuer fans could go away, like their buddy COOL!

IronClad- July 15, 2009 at 9:00 pm

Hal_13 was first to suck Lesnars ding dong tatty.

Either guy could beat Brock Lesnar standing. Lesnar has shit for hands stand up wise. That dude only hits people cuse he's got hulk mits. Man fuck lesnar, that piece of shit wouldnt stand a chance if it werent for sheer size and strength. That homo has nooooo skill, NONE. He's just a big ogre, trust me he will get KTFO if he stays on his feet. The only way to beat him is standing and trust me he will get figured out.

If only Fedor would come over and knock this fool out, itd take all of a minute to put that big dopey shit kicker right on his ass. Until that happens im rooting for Carwin or Velasquez.

Hal is a fagot and GOOG is his little puppy bitch. Your both retarted.

rampageisgod- July 15, 2009 at 7:40 pm

But you're right, a 1-1 record is deserving of a title shot but if Carwin wins he'll only be 4-0 and to give him a title shot is absolutely ridiculous.

rampageisgod- July 15, 2009 at 7:04 pm

Carwin vs Cain for the Heavyweight Can Crusher of the World title and a date with death when the get crushed by Lesnar and then they can go back to fight a sucession of random fat dudes, and build up more pointless hype to idiots like rampageisgod.

Yeah Heath Herring was a real challenge. If they would get destroyed by your crush Lesnar why are you bitching?

Cuntalope- July 15, 2009 at 6:59 pm

Brock actually beat a title contender and not some fat random english or bosnian guy to get his title shot. Did he get his shot early, yeah perhaps but you dumbfucks don't realise that Brock gets a ton of ppv buys which keeps this sport you guys reckon to love in business. So you should be thanking Brock for keeping this sport doing well and getting more exposure, but no you bitch. Typical.

Carwin and Cain haven't fought anyone apart from cans, or both of their last bouts against people who themselves haven't beat anyone but cans. Carwin vs Cain for the Heavyweight Can Crusher of the World title and a date with death when the get crushed by Lesnar and then they can go back to fight a sucession of random fat dudes, and build up more pointless hype to idiots like rampageisgod.

MMA-FAN- July 15, 2009 at 6:54 pm

Shane Carwin will either knock out Cain on the ground or on the feet, its just a matter of when. Carwin and Brock are the same height, same weight (except carwin is ripped at that weight and brocks flabby), same reach, and Carwin has one size bigger gloves. This will be the biggest test for Brock because now we get to see how he handles a guy the same size and possibly stronger than him. Definitely going to be exciting.

rampageisgod- July 15, 2009 at 6:48 pm

Cuntalope is a queer. He is bashing Carwin for getting on the fast track to fight Lesnar but he probably had no problem with Lesnar having a title shot after one fight.(hyperbole)

dude- July 15, 2009 at 5:53 pm

"The winner of that one gets a golden ticket to his own funeral. Good luck with the reconstructive surgery, guys." Lol!!!!

Cuntalope- July 15, 2009 at 4:25 pm

These 2 guys are all hype and will not win a title anytime soon. People piss and moan about Brock getting a title shot, maybe he should of done what these 2 fucks do and pad his record with Neil Wains and Denis Stojnics. Fucking all hype, whoever wins this is in for a world of pain.

Ill be pulling for Cain, at least he actually has a little bit of skill. Carwin is such a joke, hasn't fought anyone. Gonzaga is way over hyped, who beat a past his prime cro cop like 5 years ago and apart from that he's only beat cans. Now Carwin gets a title shot if he beats a 6-0 inexperienced rookie. What a fucking joke, he should be ashamed of himself and do the right thing and let someone decent like couture/nog winner have the title shot. But he won't do that because he is scum.

Clayton- July 15, 2009 at 3:53 pm

TheSlothmn: Absolutely. I mean, even if Lesnar turns out to be God's gift to the HW division, he has at most 2 years before he's cleaned it out on the UFC end. Then if he left the UFC, he'd have maybe an extra year before he had no choice but to fight the Hong Man Choi's of the world and the diaspora of UFC ex-champs.

TheSlothman- July 15, 2009 at 3:27 pm

Are we all ready to agree, the HW division (UFC,non UFC) is by far the weakest division in MMA.... the talent pool is just very shallow the world over. i understand people love the KO power but cmon...alot of these HWs are only relavent cus they tip the scales at 240 +....there are MANY cans to be had.....Roy Nelson is a top 10 HW in some rankings geez......tap out do to belly smother.

Bovice- July 15, 2009 at 3:26 pm

I see Carwin winning this one, and Carwin losing against Lesnar.

Clayton- July 15, 2009 at 3:20 pm

Goog, fair, but really, in any combat sport records are padded almost out of necessity. All things considered, Fedor's fight history is unarguably quite solid. I guess ultimately, this shows the power of unknowns involved when discussing a newer fighter who doesn't fit any accessible MMA stereotypes (Lesnar) and a fighter who plays the business end of the game by his own rules (Fedor), and the subsequent low value of discussing records and opponents.

Goog- July 15, 2009 at 3:06 pm

@ Clayton.

I'm cool with that. I'm also willing to disregard over half of Fedor's fights for the same reason, and that's a conservative number.

tallkitchenbags- July 15, 2009 at 2:05 pm

it cracks me up that fedor is in the driver's seat for the heavyweight fight that most people want to see. he isn't going to take any crap offer dana throws together and it must infuriate white.

Clayton- July 15, 2009 at 2:04 pm

Oh, come on. Herring is and always has been a joke but for a couple good showings. Every time he fights a superior grappler, which incidentally is almost every time he fights, he turtles up and shows a general lack of skill. If Every fighter in the division had Herring's skillset, Lesnar could fight well into his 90's and go something like 153984 - 0 as the heavyweight champ. Please, let's take him out of the discussion right now and discuss things that matter.

tallkitchenbags- July 15, 2009 at 1:58 pm

couture and herring are/ were pretty good wrestlers too and look what lesnar did to them. it wasn't competitive and it wasn't pretty.

tallkitchenbags- July 15, 2009 at 1:56 pm

lesnar will walk over either of those guys. his wrestling is better and he knocked out mir from an awkward position on the ground.

white is trying to build them up as legitimate fighters, but they are still green. the only heavyweight match anyone really wants to see is fedor/ lesnar, but white can't make that happen on his terms.

also, cain has weird nipples.

Goog- July 15, 2009 at 1:35 pm

Maybe it has those moments, but forget the division... look at the names. Mir, Couture, and Herring. Not exactly pushovers or irrelevant cans. I'm looking at who he actually fights, not who's in the weight class.

Kimbos Bread- July 15, 2009 at 1:28 pm

@ Goog

"...He's pounding the legit out of the top veterans in the best organization, but somehow being hated for it... attitude aside. Don't get it...."

This best organization you are referring to also happens to have a pretty choppy HW division.

Kimbos Bread- July 15, 2009 at 1:27 pm

@ Goog

"...He's pounding the legit out of the top veterans in the best organization, but somehow being hated for it... attitude aside. Don't get it...."

The best organization you are referring to also happens to have a pretty choppy HW division.

Kimbos Bread- July 15, 2009 at 1:16 pm

@ RickyRobbie

That's because GSP didn't get the wind kicked out of him twice in a 5 round fight like Cain did. Cain almost got KOed in the fist round of a 3 rounder.

Goog- July 15, 2009 at 1:02 pm

I like these comments alluding to the fact that these guys will nullify Lesnar's wrestling. He went... what?.... 106-2 as a top wrestler? Seems to work for him.

By the way, anyone notice how much less full Carwin is now that he's in a promotion with drug testing. That pic is old.

And I don't have a problem with Carwin in general, but I dislike the fact that he's getting the same thing Lesnar did and the world is on his nuts. Take a bigger guy with a wrestling background [not WWE] and have him walk into the UFC out of relative obscurity. Ta-da.... he's a big deal. Lesnar does the same thing with a short stint in WWE and he's not taken as legit. He's pounding the legit out of the top veterans in the best organization, but somehow being hated for it... attitude aside. Don't get it. What if Carwin were a stunt double before coming to the UFC? Would he be a big fake?

I don't blame Dana or Brock for capitalizing on his prior reputation. I'm not as big a fan of pushing Kimbo for being an internet "sensation", but understand the value on his name. Brock has always been a fighter and is kicking butt in this new adventure and I hope he smashes everything in sight for years.

zingnasty- July 15, 2009 at 1:02 pm

he also dominated despite getting injured, he won all 5 rounds with prob a torn groin for 3 of them

JPfighter- July 15, 2009 at 1:02 pm

This article just further highlights why Brock Lesnar is so important to the UFC, and how shallow the UFC HW division really is.

Biffmiester- July 15, 2009 at 12:52 pm

Um, GSP not finishing fights?? Out of his 19 wins, 6 have gone to the judges... he's finished off the rest.

RickyRobbie- July 15, 2009 at 12:48 pm

I hated that Rogan bashed Cain for not finishing Kongo, but nobody opens their mouth when it comes to GSP´s ability to finish.

El Famous Burrito- July 15, 2009 at 12:48 pm

Imagine this, if you will...

Cro Cop vs. Brock with Mazzagatti reffing.

Cro Cop pokes Brock in the eye, Mazzagatti doens't see it (obviously), and gets the TKO stoppage.

I do believe that fight would end with the first-ever referee fatality.

Payday- July 15, 2009 at 12:47 pm

Brown Pride tat on a dude that pale? What's next, Dana White with a "Hair Club For Men" tattoo?

Clayton- July 15, 2009 at 12:41 pm

Cro-cop would turn down the fight with Brock, anyway.

Ninjanate- July 15, 2009 at 12:34 pm

Who would be left from AKA after Swick?

Ninjanate- July 15, 2009 at 12:31 pm

Cro-cop is 2-2 in the UFC, where both Cain and Shane are 3-0. Junior, maybe, hes 2-0. To even suggest Cro-cop be in contender status after he was released ONE fight ago for losing 2 in a row.

Biffmiester- July 15, 2009 at 12:28 pm

Swick will take out Kampmann... but does he really want to, knowing what would be next for him in the beast that is GSP?

Horror Fighter- July 15, 2009 at 12:26 pm

Didn't Dana pull the ol' "Josh Who?" when talking about Barnett? I just dont see the Babyface Assassin back in the UFC. Which is too bad...

Hamma Fist Elbow Bam-Bam- July 15, 2009 at 12:25 pm

Are you fucking high? How do you say Carwin/Velasquez aren't worthy of being #1 contenders and in the same breath say Cro Cop is? The last guy he fought who wasn't a total can kneed him in the balls until he quit and the two non-cans he fought before that both beat his ass.

eelcozy- July 15, 2009 at 12:24 pm

I think Shane Carwin is Brock Lesnar's nightmare. Everytime Brock actually gets hit he looks pretty sad. He can't just out wrestle Shane, and it's only a matter of time until he nails him.

Shane can hit you with a girl jab and you almost die.

mikerip- July 15, 2009 at 12:20 pm

How the hell would Cro Cop be anywhere near contension for a #1 contender spot? He's gotten pummeled in the UFC by anyone who was not a total can.

Shatski- July 15, 2009 at 12:19 pm

Wonder if Dana said "probably" because he's waiting to see who wins at Affliction then try to snag one of those two, likely Fedor, since both of their contracts are up after that show. Wouldn't mind seeing Barnett in the UFC again, either.

CJvsCP- July 15, 2009 at 12:18 pm

Brock and Shane would be a good fight, I think Cain has some lessons to learn on standup and GSP will run right through swick or Kampmann. GSP needs to move up and fight Anderson if he wants to challenge himself.

HAL_13- July 15, 2009 at 12:18 pm

HOLY SHIT I WAS FIRST. THATS AWESOME.

HAL_13- July 15, 2009 at 12:17 pm

THE ONLY WAY EITHER ONE OF THESE GIRLS WILL TAKE THAT BELT FROM BROCK IS IF THEY WERE TO DO IT WWE STYLE, AND THEY BOTH JUMPED ON HIM. THEY WOULD STILL HAVE THEIR HANDS FULL EVEN IF THEY BOTH FOUGHT HIM AT THE SAME TIME. OTHER THEN THAT YOU CAN JUST FUCKING FORGET IT. NIETHER OF THOSE TO MEN ARE GOING TO BEAT BROCK AS LONG AS HE KEEP DOING WHAT HE IS DOING, AND ONLY GETTING BETTER.