A ZR1 doesnt need to launch that high it has torque something the M3 doesnt have.

You failed to see the point which was why the M3 needs drag rubber with the DCT due to the programmed launch. If the ZR1 had to launch at a much higher RPM it would just spin on street tires.

Sometimes I wonder about how educated you guys are with the results of your thought processes. And secondly, the M3 makes a ton of torque by virtue of its gearing but I don't want to make your head explode.

Duh the point being an M3 offers ZR1 performance with a blower for less money and includes rear seats, more trunk space, and a DCT trans.

Based on what? Your opinion? LOL.

Some people like cheaply built American cars with inferior technology. I'm more of a BMW guy than Chevy and don't have to give up any performance advantage to 99.9% of ZR1's in the world. Win-win in my book.

based on what? roughly $5k difference once totals are tallied? and lose all warrany and OEM feel/problems vs dedicated built car problems? the simplicity of a OEM car has much more to offer than a BUILT BMW that you MUST seek one of very few capable builders

if your talking overall package, sure the M3 has merits the ZR1 does not, but if you want big power reiable, for little money, from a new car, the ZR1 is in another league

Waiting on your M3 that does as stated... Till then its Unicorn theory!!!

Not really considering the bevy of results we already have. If you think a car with more power is going to not be faster all that is a unicorn is your critical thinking ability as it doesn't seem to exist.

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer

OK so the vid of the stock car on stock tires, that wasnt stock or because it didnt need 6200rpm to find some tq its not being launched?

This sentence is a grammatical and incoherent mess. Try to phrase what you are trying to say in a manner people can understand it.

Not really considering the bevy of results we already have. If you think a car with more power is going to not be faster all that is a unicorn is your critical thinking ability as it doesn't seem to exist.

This sentence is a grammatical and incoherent mess. Try to phrase what you are trying to say in a manner people can understand it.

based on what? roughly $5k difference once totals are tallied? and lose all warrany and OEM feel? the simplicity of a OEM car has much more to offer than a BUILT BMW that you MUST seek one of very few capable builders

if your talking overall package, sure the M3 has merits the ZR1 does not, but if you want big power reiable, for little money, from a new car, the ZR1 is in another league

Note that as the facts get more clear he states talking about build quality or finding used parts to build an M3 cheaper or that there are no vids to support his claims. Kinda fun to watch the hamster running on the wheel.

You failed to see the point which was why the M3 needs drag rubber with the DCT due to the programmed launch. If the ZR1 had to launch at a much higher RPM it would just spin on street tires.

Sometimes I wonder about how educated you guys are with the results of your thought processes. And secondly, the M3 makes a ton of torque by virtue of its gearing but I don't want to make your head explode.

You can talk educated all you want you need to look at your self your making a excuse for the M3 because it has to launch high.

There different cars 2 the M3 is just not in a ZR1 's league as far as performance goes.

Note that as the facts get more clear he states talking about build quality or finding used parts to build an M3 cheaper or that there are no vids to support his claims. Kinda fun to watch the hamster running on the wheel.

One of the reasons people choose an M3 over a Z06 say to begin with is the reasons I stated regarding usability, technology, and build quality.

There are plenty of results to support my claims, the VF kit ran 10.6 that's a fact I don't know what else to tell you.

What's funny is watching you attempt to debate or attempt to string together back to back coherent sentences like it's a struggle. Which for you it actually seems to be.

You can talk educated all you want you need to look at your self your making a excuse for the M3 because it has to launch high.

There different cars 2 the M3 is just not in a ZR1 's league as far as performance goes.

It isn't an excuse, it's a fact. Different type of powerband and technology, not apples to apples. So put it in context to understand it.

Originally Posted by Mr.Squeeze

There different cars 2 the M3 is just not in a ZR1 's league as far as performance goes.

Yet it runs the exact same ET as a stock ZR1 with a blower? And now it's not in its league? Even though it does that for less money? Sure makes the M3 look damn impressive. I love how you guys talk down on it but the M3 consistently overachieves. The ZR1 barely improves on the Z06 and frankly they had to lower the displacement to boost it. ZR1 isn't even all that better than a Z06 for far more money.

no we didnt, we just established that for basically the same price, you get a BMW that wont beat a stock ZR1, so its not the same league, its inferior

We just established with video proof the person saying an M3 isn't in the ZR1's league that the M3 runs the exact same ET. I don't know what you are having trouble processing. He undermined his own point, it's like he smacked himself in the face.