A MGTOWs lament: “The fact that slut walks exist make me wish I didn’t live on this planet anymore.”

First, women had to take back the day: Kathrine Switzer, one of the first women to run the Boston Marathon, in 1967, was attacked by a race official trying to pull off her numbers

So over on the MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) subreddit, the regulars are discussing the various ways they’re oppressed by a Nike-sponsored women-only nighttime 10k run called “We Own the Night.” Basically, it’s Take Back the Night with running, and Nike.

Well, a guy who calls himself “DegradedSerf” is having none of it. Because lesbianism? And a lack of women in the stage-construction business?

The two things I wanted to point out are the obvious lesbian connotations, there are DJs and dancing and what not until late, women only on a massive scale, and the fact that although the theme is claiming public spaces at night for females, I worked on assembling and deassembling all the stages, lighting, etc. etc. and there were no women working on the whole site.

You know, I hate to tell you this, fella, but there are places where there is lesbian dancing and “what not until late” every single night of the week. Also karaoke, sometimes. Google “lesbian bars.”

So anyway, “We Own the Night” is a sign of the End Times for normal manly men.

If you combine it with the slutwalk phenomenon now women have more rights and privileges than ever before and now a feature of the political and cultural landscape is these mass, semi-sexual, female only (eunuchs sometimes tolerated) demonstrations that public space, (physical and psychological) belongs to women and they intend to make it inimical to males and no expression of masculinity will be tolerated.

DegradedSerf’s lament about the slut walks inspired this little exchange:

Huh. I’ll admit, there are a number of things that sometimes cause me to think I don’t want to live on this planet any more. You know, like genocide, rape as a weapon of war, the millions of people on earth who are living in extreme poverty, that sort of thing.

And the main thing is that the logic has never been “they are disposable because they’re men.” The logic has always been “they are disposable because they’re poor/lower-class/from a devalued social group,” coupled with “but women aren’t good at fighting, so just send the men.”

Exactly.

And, once one looks within a single social class, the women always turn out to be more disposable than the men. Lower-class men are paid more, fed more, and treated better than lower-class women, and so on up the SE scale.

I was about to ask whether there is any such thing as male disposability that doesn’t apply to poor, or marginalised people of any gender, but PoM beat me to it.

Seems I’ve missed Tim – not even a committed troll. Booooo! Marky was boring, but at least he stuck around.
LOL at thinking any of us would “defect” to his shitty site. Whatchya got over there? A crappy video about MGTOW, and a bunch of desperate, “edgy” statements about how much I’m gonna get my panties in a bunch over your totally badass offensive-for-the-sake-of-offensiveness? D’awww, it’s like watching a puppy piss itself all over the floor.

In other news, I just found a whole bunch of CDs I forgot I had been given, and now I’m updating my music library with a whole lot of Bauhaus and Iggy Pop. 🙂

Definitely not. Generally I expect the absurdities (feminism want to enslave men! Feminists are eeeeevil boogeymen who hide under your bed) but when they actually argue something that is literally what feminists are fighting against, it just makes me facepalm so hard.

I hope Tim is reading this and is thoroughly embarrassed by the realization that feminists totally support the rejection of gender roles, and that he’s merely managed to make himself look like an ignorant tool who is easily influenced by the opinions of pathetic sensationalist assholes.

The only reason highly-privileged men think that “male disposability” is a thing is because they assume that all men live the lives of poor men, but all women live the lives of upper-class women. They forget about upper-class men, and erase lower-class women. That’s the only way the memes attached to “male disposability” work.

I see similar wanks even outside the manosphere. There’s a lot of “cops shoot/brutalize/hassle unarmed white men too!” Yeah. Poor, mentally ill or homeless white men. A white guy in a suit driving a luxury car is not typically getting pulled over for driving while male and then getting shot because he’s holding a cell phone that magically looks like a gun. Please.

… pop my head up here and risk a ban. ‘Male disposability’, it at least was a thing, there’s an anthropological explanation: if women were exposed to danger to the same extent in the form of hunting wild animals, disease and the elements, or encroachments from other tribes it would have meant the end of the group. When men died, other men could take their place and father more children. In this sense men were disposable, and women a resource that needed protecting.

The present-day manifestation is in the form of particularly high risk jobs, being considered too masculine for women, too undesirable for the middle class even when they involve high levels of remuneration.

If you want to push your BioTruffs ™, give a fucking citation for it. “I invented this story in my head about cavemen that could explain a sociological phenomenon in such a way that it excuses me, personally, from having any part in generating said phenomenon” is not evidence of any kind.

An update on the transphobic Caitlyn Jenner ad; I reported it and wordpress support said they would pull it (not sure if they mean from wordpress in general or just here). If it shows up again, please screenshot it and then report it using the “about these ads” link, and also email me. thanks!

Regarding the ”shitty toast” article, I personally find all the works of that particular author to be delightful and The Toast itself to be a charming website. I find it absurd to accuse that author of just taking two quotes and not offering any analysis. That’s not how she writes. She’s more of a humorist or a satirist than a serious essayist. And very often she structures her writings as lists or points. And that is what she’s done here. It’s a list of suffragettes that said some problematic things and were being sucky at times. Also she is a national treasure and a goddess.

“if women were exposed to danger . . . it would have meant the end of the group.”

Right, because childbirth wasn’t dangerous at all. From Prehistoric and Egyptian Medicine by Ian Dawson (2005): “in prehistoric times women were in particular danger during childbirth, and it is likely that about a third of women died in childbirth in some societies. Women, on average, had shorter lives than men in all historical periods before the nineteenth century.” (p. 7)

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