OK. Sant Jordi here. I'm English orginally from Newcastle but living in Barcelona (hence my name here). I've been following the discussions here for a while. Not sure that I'll ever be a regular poster.

I come here because the subject interests me (I have a BSc in Biochemistry but work in a completely unrelated field), because my mother in law seems to be becoming a creationist and finally it's easier than working when you have a hangover (like today).

Cheers

Sant JordiPS don't forget to have a drink for me on Monday and/or give a rose to your lass or book to your man (Catalan tradition)

I teach middle school science in White Salmon, Washington. As a public school teacher you get some pretty interesting responses to teaching the evolutionary paradigm in biology. I have had a few parents invite me to their churches to hear, the now imprisoned, Kent Hovind speak. I declined, but I regret that now. I would have loved to see a true snake oil salesman do his show. As a teacher you continually have to take courses for professional development, this last spring I took a course at a local community college and was dumbfounded to hear my professor talking about the Great Nochian Flood, the speed of light slowing down, human footprints next to dinosaurs, and radiometric dating inconsistencies. He was a wacko YEC’er. I spent much of my time at TalkOrigins prepping for our next class where I crushed his pathetic talking points. From there I found the Pandas Thumb and this site as well.

I have found that 8th graders love to learn about the grand picture of life. The love to understand why nature works the way it does. Truly, nothing in nature makes any sense without an understanding of evolutionary theory. Now when students or parents question the wisdom of teaching evolution to their kids, I simply say that this is the best explanation given the observed evidence. I am greatly indebted to the many wise ones here that have shed light of the subject for me.

I must also admit that the antics of the folks at UD are such a crack-up. I just love seeing the gang here just totally crush their idiotic rantings.

To continue, at best I’m only going to make a very modest contribution towards making this board more informative and/or entertaining. As others have noted, what will make this board more interesting is another creobot, and after a short layoff, I definitely spent more time here once FTK got active.

She provided a measure of entertainment for a while, but man she got boring fast. In contrast, AFD kept me entertained for a couple of months. To me, the whole AFD thread climaxed with the Portuguese discussion, because it showed that not only did Dave understand nothing about science, he understood nothing about argument.

As Mr. Vibrating makes clear, it’s hard to have an argument if you don’t know what one is. FTK has tried to avoid getting into a scientific discussion, but in the course of arguing about not arguing, she has demonstrated that her understanding of evidence and logic is on par with Dave’s.

Do you develop extra rows of teeth once you become an icthyologist? :)

not only that, but you get teeth on your tongue, too!

Don't get many second dates, do ya?

--------------It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it. We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

...I just registered (de-lurked) at your request, read the rules, and would certainly not want to be considered vulgar in my very first post in this forum.

I stumbled upon The Panda's Thumb, and After the Bar Closes, just when the Kitzmiller decision was released, and have followed both, obsessively, ever since.

This forum has been a real treat, an antidote to the Bush era's theme of return-to-the-dark-ages. Any of you other old-timers remember the August 1972 issue of the National Lampoon? Same basic idea. Panda's Thumb occasionally supplies me with teaching material, and that's pretty good. But After the Bar Closes is, well, the ne plus ultra. Long live the Church Burnin' Ebola Boys!

...I just registered (de-lurked) at your request, read the rules, and would certainly not want to be considered vulgar in my very first post in this forum.

I stumbled upon The Panda's Thumb, and After the Bar Closes, just when the Kitzmiller decision was released, and have followed both, obsessively, ever since.

This forum has been a real treat, an antidote to the Bush era's theme of return-to-the-dark-ages. Any of you other old-timers remember the August 1972 issue of the National Lampoon? Same basic idea. Panda's Thumb occasionally supplies me with teaching material, and that's pretty good. But After the Bar Closes is, well, the ne plus ultra. Long live the Church Burnin' Ebola Boys!

You're just the sort of handsome devil we accept into our lovable band of rogues. Oh, we're modest too. You should post more, chief.

Hi, my name is deadman_932, and I'm a Cancer, I like long walks in the rain and holding hands. I'm a pretty good cook and I enjoy romance novels and watching Oprah on TiVo.

My favorite colour is ochre and I'm about 5'1" tall and I weigh 473 lbs. I find women really like exploring my folds for any leftovers they can find and my full beard that has many flavors of soup they can enjoy. I raise parasites for a hobby, and I'm currently the proud owner of a 27-foot-long tapeworm named Roger who lives in my lower intestine.

If you think I'm the kind of guy for you, leave me a PM, except if you're Richardthughes, because he's a pig that kept trying to grab my manboobs and rubbing all over me.

Hi, my name is deadman_932, and I'm a Cancer, I like long walks in the rain and holding hands. I'm a pretty good cook and I enjoy romance novels and watching Oprah on TiVo.

My favorite colour is ochre and I'm about 5'1" tall and I weigh 473 lbs. I find women really like exploring my folds for any leftovers they can find and my full beard that has many flavors of soup they can enjoy. I raise parasites for a hobby, and I'm currently the proud owner of a 27-foot-long tapeworm named Roger who lives in my lower intestine.

If you think I'm the kind of guy for you, leave me a PM, except if you're Richardthughes, because he's a pig that kept trying to grab my manboobs and rubbing all over me.

Hmmm... well I've commented once or twice here, but usually refrain.Thinking about it, I reckon I started coming here regularly when the UD thread started up (which coincided with my moving to Australia), prior to that I popped over occasionally from the Thumb (as I recall the first time might have been the ape promiscuity/semen discussion where a lot of the comments got 'walled' ) Since then it's been a (more or less) regular stop along with the Thumb and various ScienceBlogs.I'm afraid I don't comment much as I really don't have the strength to go panning for gold in the UD sewer, I guess I'll just titter from the sidelines.Keep up the good work! Nearly 500 pages of Uncommonly Dense - what a landmark achievement.

20 years as a Designer (print and web) and UI/Software Usability Analyst.

I just happened to stumble onto to the Pandas Thumb after doing some googling. I had gotten into debates regarding the adoption of creation ideas into the public school system and needed some hard scientific data to go along with the legal facts.

Science rocks and you all have my admiration and gratitude for defending not only science but, the unconstitutional intrusion of religion into our schools and government.

"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate." - Henry J. Tillman

--------------- Born right the first time.- Asking questions is NOT the same as providing answers.- It's all fun and games until the flying monkeys show up!

20 years as a Designer (print and web) and UI/Software Usability Analyst.

I just happened to stumble onto to the Pandas Thumb after doing some googling. I had gotten into debates regarding the adoption of creation ideas into the public school system and needed some hard scientific data to go along with the legal facts.

Science rocks and you all have my admiration and gratitude for defending not only science but, the unconstitutional intrusion of religion into our schools and government.

"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate." - Henry J. Tillman

SEE THAT RTH?

"IF YOUR NOT PART OF TEH POLUTION, YOU START TO PRECIPITATE"

THAT MEANS RAIN YOU NO.GLOBAL PRECIPITATION IS ALL TO DO WITH THE ALBINO EFFECT .....THAT'S WHERE SNOW IS NOT COVERED BY INUIT (POLAR BEARS ARE OK THO' COZ THEY ARE WHITE TOO..... NOT THAT I HAVE ANYTHING AGAINST ALBINO INUIT YOU UNDERSTAND)

NOW IF I RUN MY CHAINSAW ON DCA I CAN KILL TWO GEESE ON ONE LOG BIRDS WITH ONE STONE.

REDUCE CANCER IN CHAINSAWS AND PREVENT POLAR BEARS FROM EATING INUIT. YOU NO IT MAKES SENSE, HOMO.

--------------The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

clamboy, me. i've met a few o' yez, and i've posted here a few times, but mostly i (like some others) like to read and watch the well-edumicated make mincemeat outta the tards.

i'm a sign language interpreter and, if i weren't bound by my code o' professional conduct, could tell you some frightening stories of creationist bushwah ejaculations i have had to interpret in university-level classes. ew ew ew!!

Evening all. I have lurked around the endlessly fascinating E/C debate for a few years now. I post very occasionally, but I worry that if I got too involved the rest of my free time would evaporate and my missus would withdraw internet privileges.

Potted bio: Born in Zimbabwe, BA Physics, most of my working life (as a software developer) in London, except for 4 years in the SF Bay Area. I'm now writing trading software for a bank. I'm jolly good at spelling -- British, American and freestyle.

Okay, I visit here to see what the ID wackos are doing without having to pollute my brain by visiting UD or OE. My job (software engineer) has nothing to do with the whole evolution vs. creation issue, but I've followed it with interest for many years.

I have a BS in Biology and a long time interest in Astronomy, but I make my living with computers. I have family who are into Creationism, including a former brother-in-law who studied at the ICR. I started reading Panda's Thumb and some of the other blogs because of all the recent court activity over ID. I enjoy reading the discussions, and I really enjoy learning about all the latest discoveries. I don't post much myself 'cause I think the pros do a much better job than I could.

--------------"[A scientific theory] describes Nature as absurd from the point of view of common sense. And it agrees fully with experiment. So I hope you can accept Nature as She is - absurd."- Richard P. Feynman

I have a BS in Biology and a long time interest in Astronomy, but I make my living with computers. I have family who are into Creationism, including a former brother-in-law who studied at the ICR. I started reading Panda's Thumb and some of the other blogs because of all the recent court activity over ID. I enjoy reading the discussions, and I really enjoy learning about all the latest discoveries. I don't post much myself 'cause I think the pros do a much better job than I could. :)

DUNNO BOUT THAT. IF THAT WAS ARDENS POST IT WOOD BE HIS BEST POST EVER.

I have a BS in Biology and a long time interest in Astronomy, but I make my living with computers. I have family who are into Creationism, including a former brother-in-law who studied at the ICR. I started reading Panda's Thumb and some of the other blogs because of all the recent court activity over ID. I enjoy reading the discussions, and I really enjoy learning about all the latest discoveries. I don't post much myself 'cause I think the pros do a much better job than I could. :)

DUNNO BOUT THAT. IF THAT WAS ARDENS POST IT WOOD BE HIS BEST POST EVER.

WATCH OUT PPB. RTH IS WHAT WE CALL HERE IN THE ANTIPODES A SMOOTH BASTARD. NEXT HE'LL BE INVITING YOU OVER FOR DRINKS.

--------------The conservative has but little to fear from the man whose reason is the servant of his passions, but let him beware of him in whom reason has become the greatest and most terrible of the passions.These are the wreckers of outworn empires and civilisations, doubters, disintegrators, deicides.Haldane

Just a colt handguns were a great leveller in the wild west, rophynol is a great leveller in the dating scene.

:angry:

Ha Ha. This is you:

--------------It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it. We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

To paraphrase Winston Churchill - There is something about the outside of a emu that is good for the inside of a man.

--------------It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it. We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

I orignially found my way to PT while looking for material for teaching Biology for the first time. I work in a tiny highschool in a tiny town, so even though my training is mostly in chemistry (BS plus some graduate work), I teach all the science classes. I eventually found my way here, and stayed for the comic catharsis of watching the Davetards of the world demolished.

My thanks to the regulars here for all that you do. After a day of having to be diplomatic with students who argue that they aren't made of atoms, they're made of dirt, it's refreshing to see that level of ingnorance dealt with by people who don't have to pull their punches.

--------------"Creationists think everything Genesis says is true. I don't even think Phil Collins is a good drummer." --J. Carr

"I suspect that the English grammar books where you live are outdated" --G. Gaulin

We have way too much intellectual fiber to fall for that kind of tree-cle. Just leaf us alone. Don't expect us to root for concepts like that! Orthodoxy may have its problems, but don't expect us to branch out into the fringe zone. Just stop needling us. We cedar problems with your contentions, which will be left high and dry on the beech, to pine away, oak-A?

--------------It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it. We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)

Devilishly handsome Australian.Now living overseas.Two BA's.Got the second one in Russia studying Drama.Hated, loathed and detested science in school.Now (mainly thanks to the crew at PT) I am a science geek. I had no idea that there were so many talented people out there that could explain biology.I lurk around the science blogs continuously and love the discussions that take place.Trust me, I'm knot lying.That would really go against the grain.Thanks for letting me (wood) chip in.

As a forest ecologist, I'm really upset that I missed the tree-pun war. Unfortunately I don't think that trying to resurrect it would be very poplar.

What's a nice ecologist like me doing hanging out in a place like this? I grew up Catholic in the east Tennessee Bible belt. I've always been fascinated by Biblical literalists and our own little Scopes trial. Especially when as a MSc student in the Dept of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology at UT, when some candidates for student elections wanted to flag courses that taught evolution so that right-thinking people could avoid them.

Then I moved to Ireland. My interest in evo-creo reawoke when the Dover trial got some coverage in the papers here. I looked around to find out what this ID was and found Panda's Thumb and this dive. (Nice scotch, pity about the decor.) For the record, there's bugger all interest in ID over here. I've seen two opinion pieces in the paper supporting ID: one from a religion correspondent and one from a gobshite who enjoys being arrogant and contrary.

As a forest ecologist, I'm really upset that I missed the tree-pun war. Unfortunately I don't think that trying to resurrect it would be very poplar.

What's a nice ecologist like me doing hanging out in a place like this? I grew up Catholic in the east Tennessee Bible belt. I've always been fascinated by Biblical literalists and our own little Scopes trial. Especially when as a MSc student in the Dept of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology at UT, when some candidates for student elections wanted to flag courses that taught evolution so that right-thinking people could avoid them.

Then I moved to Ireland. My interest in evo-creo reawoke when the Dover trial got some coverage in the papers here. I looked around to find out what this ID was and found Panda's Thumb and this dive. (Nice scotch, pity about the decor.) For the record, there's bugger all interest in ID over here. I've seen two opinion pieces in the paper supporting ID: one from a religion correspondent and one from a gobshite who enjoys being arrogant and contrary.

Ah, God save the good work, and bless all here! Welcome and Have a Guinness on me!

--------------Come on Tough Guy, do the little dance of ID impotence you do so well. - Louis to Joe G 2/10

Gullibility is not a virtue - Quidam on Dembski's belief in the Bible Code Faith Healers & ID 7/08

If I may step in to make an unendurably pedantic comment, that subtitle should be "I wish to see thy face". Not 'thine'.

'My' is to 'mine' as 'thy' is to 'thine'.

I'm sorry, I'll find my own way out.

--------------"Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

If I may step in to make an unendurably pedantic comment, that subtitle should be "I wish to see thy face". Not 'thine'.

'My' is to 'mine' as 'thy' is to 'thine'.

I'm sorry, I'll find my own way out.

But, but, but, the song goes "Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord"

Surely we can allow the same poetic license here!

In English it used to be possible to use 'mine' before vowels.

Don't know if 'thine' worked the same way, but 'face' doesn't start with a vowel anyway.

[stony silence]

Well, you ASKED!

--------------"Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Ugh. Now I know what it feels like to be a creationist arguing with real biologists.

I dont think so. To feel like a creationist you have to invent a lie now, call him a lying atheist and claim victory. Try that, I have often done things like that on their threads and you will feel ... well like a real creationist. It has often been a lot of fun to me :p ( and actually to some of you too )

Ugh. Now I know what it feels like to be a creationist arguing with real biologists.

I dont think so. To feel like a creationist you have to invent a lie now, call him a lying atheist and claim victory.

Go ahead, go for it. I won't mind. You know, complete the experience and all.

Besides, it's all Richard's fault anyway.

--------------"Rich is just mad because he thought all titties had fur on them until last week when a shorn transvestite ruined his childhood dreams by jumping out of a spider man cake and man boobing him in the face lips." - Erasmus

Very well. As I infrequently lurker at this forum, I have finally decided to register.

I am a biologist from Germany (with the old diploma degree). Due to some personal developments, I have decided to teach at Haupt- and Realschule (some kind of high schools). Unfortunately this means back to university for me to study some additional Chemistry, Pedagogics and Didactics.

I did stumble over Panda's Thumb, when I looked for sources about the Evolution-Creationism debate in the States, as this topic gets increasingly important over here.

I did stumble over Panda's Thumb, when I looked for sources about the Evolution-Creationism debate in the States, as this topic gets increasingly important over here.

what kind of interest are you seeing in the evolution/creation discussions? from students? the media? the general populace?

we bees curious.

I am most interested on the ways the Creationists try to sneak Creationism into class rooms. There is some cooperation between fundamentalist Christian groups in Germany and the States and thus I believe that Creationists over here will use similar methods like they already do in the United States.

Additionally, I am interested in resources for teaching evolution in school. The schools I will teach in will have a large amount of students from the lower strata of society. Creationist ideas will be more predominat there than at the Gymnasium, which are more some kind of upperclass schools.

Although not quite the "lurker" as I do jump in from time to time. I don't have the educated scientific background most of the regular have. I was, however, motivated to purchase a Bio 101 book to refresh my basics and have gone on to read many of the books and papers referenced by the regulars. For that, I thank you.

Keep up the snark....I LOVE THAT!

--------------- Born right the first time.- Asking questions is NOT the same as providing answers.- It's all fun and games until the flying monkeys show up!

I'm not exactly a lurker, but this thread seemed like a good place to admit that Elizabeth and I just had lunch at Hackney's with the inimitable Richard T. Hughes. Always good to put a face with the name and witticisms of long-time AtBC posters. Thanks, Rich. Dinner's on us when you get to Manhattan KS next time!

--------------Flesh of the sky, child of the sky, the mindHas been obligated from the beginningTo create an ordered universeAs the only possible proof of its own inheritance. - Pattiann Rogers

I'm not exactly a lurker, but this thread seemed like a good place to admit that Elizabeth and I just had lunch at Hackney's with the inimitable Richard T. Hughes. Always good to put a face with the name and witticisms of long-time AtBC posters. Thanks, Rich. Dinner's on us when you get to Manhattan KS next time!

I'm not exactly a lurker, but this thread seemed like a good place to admit that Elizabeth and I just had lunch at Hackney's with the inimitable Richard T. Hughes. Always good to put a face with the name and witticisms of long-time AtBC posters. Thanks, Rich. Dinner's on us when you get to Manhattan KS next time!

Fun times - and great company. Please son't tell FtK how sexy I am.

I'm sure she has a mental picture, complete with a strategically placed bowl of fruit

--------------Church burning ebola boy

FTK: I Didn't answer your questions because it beats the hell out of me.

PaV: I suppose for me to be pried away from what I do to focus long and hard on that particular problem would take, quite honestly, hundreds of thousands of dollars to begin to pique my interest.

--------------It's natural to be curious about our world, but the scientific method is just one theory about how to best understand it. We live in a democracy, which means we should treat every theory equally. - Steven Colbert, I Am America (and So Can You!)