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As fas as my understanding goes, this is in connection with the Gurmukhs who follow sikh religion and for whom the only Guru is Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. He/she should recite Gurbani from Sri Guru Granth Sahib only and lead his/her life according to Guru's(SGGS) teachings. For him/her all other Bani is Kachhi Bani.

In Gurbani, Kacha, Kachi-- it means that is frail, that is false, that will not last, that is subject to life and death, that is not true, ....

i believe that Guru Ji is telling us here(the tuk under consideration from the first post), that bani of those who are not realized yet, who are not aware of 'THE TRUTH/SACH'- is also not Sach(pakki), is misleading as they themselves are still lost in koor.

Gurbani is Guru Ji's bani- so is pakki, FOR EVER, we understand it or not, IT IS NOT SUBJECT TO CHANGE.....Gyan comes with Guru Kirpa, same way we are able to read Gurbani with ONLY GURU KIRPA, same way we are able to understand it with only Guru Kirpa, and we cannot evenimagine HOW and THROUGH WHOM Guru Kirpa is going to happen- AS GURU IS EVERYWHERE- SACH

Guru Sahib Tells us-

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First Mehl:​

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scu qw pru jwxIAY jw irdY scw hoie ]​

such thaa pur jaaneeai jaa ridhai suchaa hoe ​

One knows the Truth only when the Truth is in his heart.​

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kUV kI mlu auqrY qnu kry hCw Doie ]​

koorr kee mul outhurai thun kurae hushaa dhoe ​

The filth of falsehood departs, and the body is washed clean.​

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scu qw pru jwxIAY jw sic Dry ipAwru ]​

such thaa pur jaaneeai jaa sach dhurae piaar ​

One knows the Truth only when he bears love to the True Lord.​

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nwau suix mnu rhsIAY qw pwey moK duAwru ]​

naao sun mun rehuseeai thaa paaeae mokh dhuaar ​

Hearing the Name, the mind is enraptured; then, he attains the gate of salvation.​

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scu qw pru jwxIAY jw jugiq jwxY jIau ]​

such thaa pur jaaneeai jaa jugath jaanai jeeo ​

One knows the Truth only when he knows the true way of life.​

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Driq kwieAw swiD kY ivic dyie krqw bIau ]​

dhurath kaaeiaa saadh kai vich dhaee kuruthaa beeo ​

Preparing the field of the body, he plants the Seed of the Creator.​

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scu qw pru jwxIAY jw isK scI lyie ]​

such thaa pur jaaneeai jaa sikh suchee laee ​

One knows the Truth only when he receives true instruction.​

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dieAw jwxY jIA kI ikCu puMnu dwnu kryie ]​

dhaeiaa jaanai jeea kee kish punn dhaan kuraee ​

Showing mercy to other beings, he makes donations to charities.​

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scu qW pru jwxIAY jw Awqm qIriQ kry invwsu ]​

such thaa pur jaaneeai jaaaathum theerath kurae nivaas ​

One knows the Truth only when he dwells in the sacred shrine of pilgrimage of his own soul.​

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siqgurU no puiC kY bih rhY kry invwsu ]​

sathiguroo no push kai behi rehai kurae nivaas ​

He sits and receives instruction from the True Guru, and lives in accordance with His Will.​

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scu sBnw hoie dwrU pwp kFY Doie ]​

such subhunaa hoe dhaaroo paap kutai dhoe ​

Truth is the medicine for all; it removes and washes away our sins.​

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nwnku vKwxY bynqI ijn scu plY hoie ]2]​

naanuk vukhaanai baenuthee jin such pulai hoe ​

Nanak speaks this prayer to those who have Truth in their laps. ||2||​

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so we need to become Sachyara- BANI IS PAKKI - FOREVER, FOR ALL, EVERYWHERE..........................

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SPNer

Does it also mean that, even for a Sikh, without Guru's Kirpa, bani is unripe (kacchi) since its only with Guru's kirpa we can acquire gyan (spiritual understanding of gurmat).

Respected Sister Kaur-1 Ji,

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

In my opinion reading bani is the first step to get kirpa of Waheguru and by the Kirpa of Waheguru one is able to read/follow Gurbani. Though both appear contradictory, even then both are interdependent.

Gurbani is not unripe, the essence of bani is not different for persons at different levels of spirituality. For the beginner like me it is sachi bani and for the persons who have progressed on the path of spirituality it is sachi bani too.

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Guru Nanak was born to a Hindu family in 1469. Had there been application forms to fill chances are he would have referred to himself as Hindu. His successors and followers would probably have called themselves Nanakpanthis. There is general agreement that Sikhism remained a...

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