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Re: You ARE a MGTOW when. You are NOT a MGTOW when. (IMO)

Originally Posted by EternalBachelor

I don't believe it is possible for a MGTOW man to ever be "triggered".

There are two commonly accepted meanings to the word "triggered". I agree that a MGTOW man shouldn't be triggered in the sense that MWC meant it, because we should be resistant to having our feelings hurt by the speech of women and blue pillers.

There is a second, equally valid definition of triggered which is when someone who has been through a traumatic event encounters stimuli that reminds them of that traumatic event. The common example is of the veteran who reacts strongly to the sound of fireworks because it triggers memories of combat. I have had memories of an auto accident triggered when I drove past the site of the accident weeks later. I think it quite possible that the events surrounding a divorce could be sufficiently traumatic to cause some men to be triggered later on in their lives and I would not fault them for that.

Re: You ARE a MGTOW when. You are NOT a MGTOW when. (IMO)

I dont think he was a troll, he was more of a missionary visiting the wild lands to convert the heathen.

Bringing all these stray sheep back to the plantation...

The problem with most firm believers is that they cannot deal with contrary arguments. Because deep down they fear that they belief is not so firm...

I'd say that was definitely the case with his other threads they could have gone either way depending on how you read them. This one though seems more inflammatory seeking to piss people off or cause debate. In either case he/she has failed and just outed themselves for us.

As soon as people start taking about a male need to provide or create (we do) but in the context of needing to also hand the fruits of that labor to women and society freely (we don't) I know exactly what they are talking about. They're talking about

Re: You ARE a MGTOW when. You are NOT a MGTOW when. (IMO)

I still have one unresolved question about Mr. Chains: Was he a deliberate fraud, or did he believe himself to be preaching the true gospel of MGTOW? Did he say to himself, “Here is a social phenomenon (MGTOW) which I will pervert and corrupt for my own agenda.” Or was his fervid vision of MGTOW—free of “nihilism” and following the “steep uphill path of virtue”—based upon a genuine sense of conviction?

Re: You ARE a MGTOW when. You are NOT a MGTOW when. (IMO)

Considering the general weakness of intro, I think that he/she was intending to deceive. My theory is that a true believer tradcon would be talking about their wonderful experiences with "godly" women in their intro. After all, the intro is your chance to make an impression and spread the word if you are a true believer.

Re: You ARE a MGTOW when. You are NOT a MGTOW when. (IMO)

Originally Posted by Mystic Rodent

I still have one unresolved question about Mr. Chains: Was he a deliberate fraud, or did he believe himself to be preaching the true gospel of MGTOW? Did he say to himself, “Here is a social phenomenon (MGTOW) which I will pervert and corrupt for my own agenda.” Or was his fervid vision of MGTOW—free of “nihilism” and following the “steep uphill path of virtue”—based upon a genuine sense of conviction?

But it's threads like the OP or a covert trad-con trying to redefine whaf MGTOW is or isn't in a thread unrelated tp MWC is exactly why I will not identify as a MGTOW. It sounds too culty to me.

I saw a few too many ghosts in this thread saying that it meant that we don't deal with women at all. That doesn't represent me.

I'll go with red pill or manosphere. There are times where this forum was and as good.as or even abetter for dating advice than red pill Reddit or a purple pill forum.

I'm a bachelor, so I'm not going to identify completely with ghosts. But enough so red pill wise to identify with them than I do on a purple pill home of mine in the manosphere.

Anyway, this transparent MenWithoutChains troll shit show has already been going on too long for me. Purposely trying to alter the definition of mgtow for their agenda with their laughable wannabe Sermon On The Mount OP of this lame thread.

As John Deer said in one of their two intro threads, " if it talks like a duck, walks like a duck, it's a female or feminist.".

Re: You ARE a MGTOW when. You are NOT a MGTOW when. (IMO)

Its "men going their own way". Your way is completely different than mine. If all you do is come up with silly rules as to who can classify themselves as mgtow or not then you're just wasting your time.

Re: You ARE a MGTOW when. You are NOT a MGTOW when. (IMO)

Originally Posted by Mystic Rodent

I still have one unresolved question about Mr. Chains: Was he a deliberate fraud, or did he believe himself to be preaching the true gospel of MGTOW? Did he say to himself, “Here is a social phenomenon (MGTOW) which I will pervert and corrupt for my own agenda.” Or was his fervid vision of MGTOW—free of “nihilism” and following the “steep uphill path of virtue”—based upon a genuine sense of conviction?

I think Mr. Chains is playing games. Laying low, popping up, changing his story every week. If he's on the moral high ground, why does he have to be so damned sneaky all the time?

Re: You ARE a MGTOW when. You are NOT a MGTOW when. (IMO)

Back to the topic of MGTOW, a post I saw on Tumblr a while ago summed it up for me. The core of it is this: “[…] as the wimmminz like to point out, MGTOW is kinda sad and tragic. The tragedy of it is this: men need to love. It’s our nature. But GYOW means never loving a woman. That’s the litmus test. That’s the core of it. That’s what it’s about. GTOW [sic] is about Love. Let me bold it: GYOW is to never give your love to a woman. Because for a man, love is being willing to accept an obligation of care. To go your own way, you must turn your back on love. Even the hope of it.”

Re: You ARE a MGTOW when. You are NOT a MGTOW when. (IMO)

Only reciprocal love of the external. Of which many voiced their doubts of it having existed in the first place. Men can love other endeavors. Men need to love (= feel fulfillment in their life) in order to not grow bitter. But men do not need to love women in order to do so. THAT is something the ladies tend to not see.

And I hope, for a good chunk of em, they can feel and do the same. 'Cause for every man that goes his own way, there has to be a woman alone as well. That one is in fact a zero sum game.

Shame is a womans primary weapon. Watch for it, and call it out wherever you see it. Few women know how to handle a man immune to shame.

Re: You ARE a MGTOW when. You are NOT a MGTOW when. (IMO)

But GYOW means never loving a woman.That’s the litmus test. That’s the core of it. That’s what it’s about. GTOW [sic] is about Love. Let me bold it: GYOW is to never give your love to a woman.Because for a man, love is being willing to accept an obligation of care. To go your own way, you must turn your back on love. Even the hope of it.”

Not true at all. Ive loved plenty of women. So much that i would be put in the 'overfed' category of MGTOW {which i know doesnt really exist, just something that hit me recently}. It's more about learning that love is just a manipulation tactic employed by women to control men, IMO.

I would argue that most MGTOW men have already loved... and learned that the love is not reciprocated, and they were just being used. This is an important aspect of MGTOW, as it not only separates us from the "incels" {no offence meant to these poor souls}, but proves we comes from a place of experience... and NOT the desire to be part of the latest 'club' or 'fad', or being convinced {brainwashed} by someone else.

I didnt join MGTOW because i'm afraid of love or women. That is what this Tumblr post is implying. Experience with women made me MGTOW years before i knew there was a website about it. Dont get me wrong, if this post means something for you, that's great. I just dont enjoy tumblr warriors attempting to explain my lifestyle choice.

as the wimmminz like to point out, MGTOW is kinda sad and tragic.

There is nothing sad or tragic about saving yourself from exploitation. Normal people call that a personal victory. I see this all the time now. The first sentence is a complete lie that some can see and call out, while others spread this lie without really analyzing what is being said, because SOME words may ring true SOMETIMES in the post. The little bit of truth from the statement that MGTOW will never love AGAIN would make more sense. However, it isnt written as such and is filled with shaming. Very well laid out shaming, mind you... disguised as concern or understanding, and an instant finger-point at the men who have gone their own way as sad and tragic, like 'these men will never know love' like we havent been there before many times and been punished thoroughly for it. Again, implying we're just incels who cant get laid.

"Sad and tragic" is what feminism is doing to the entire human race. I'm not taking the blame for that, no matter how much they try to shift it towards us {like this Tumblr post has}.

Forgive my rant and threadjacking. Im a dick like that.

I refuse to be a part of the Three Ring Circus: Engagement ring. Wedding ring. Suffer ring.