Obamacare installs new scrutiny, fines for charitable hospitals that treat uninsured people

Charitable hospitals that treat uninsured Americans will be subjected to new levels of scrutiny of their nonprofit status and could face sizable
new fines under Obamacare.

A new provision in Section 501 of the Internal Revenue Code, which takes effect under Obamacare, sets new standards of review and installs new
financial penalties for tax-exempt charitable hospitals, which devote a minimum amount of their expenses to treat uninsured poor people. Approximately
60 percent of American hospitals are currently nonprofit.

Charging fines to non-profits who provide health services to those who actually can't afford it, even under Obamacare?

Wow.

In his press conference today Obama said Obamacare was to 'help' the middle class last time I check most middle class already had health
insurance.

Considering there is no middle class anymore, I don't think that's quite true. It'll be even less true once these provisions take place though.
Businesses will either start dropping wages, or positions all together to compensate the loss.

There's no public option with Obamacare, which means it's a 100% handout to the insurance lobby.

Effectively he's saying " if you don't pay this super rich corporation their premiums, even if you can't afford it, we'll go after the
institutions that do support and help you."

So what you're saying is that we should just depend on charity to handle our sick and poor?

Thankfully a lot of people, the president included, disagree with you.

Yeah well forming a little gangs and use government to force corporate products on people, and steal from the majority to pay for that corporate
product doesn't mean he or his party gives a crap about people.

Think government entitlements takes care of the poor people?

That was hilarious.

I am saying people need to take care of themselves not outsource to government to pay for their existence, and newsflash charity has been taking care
of people long before the US government was an inkling in anyone's eyes.

Why would they lose their tax exempt status? Because they're putting forth the minimum amount towards their patients or because they're
milking the medicaid cash cow?

You're trying to make the argument that these 'charitable' hospitals won't send you a bill if you go see them. That, somehow, we have free health
care in this country. Just walk in, get treated, the charity of the hospital will take care of us. What do we need health care reform for? This
country's fine, people don't go bankrupt from going to the hospital.

I am saying people need to take care of themselves not outsource to government to pay for their existence...

A million dollars in medical bills? Eh...you can handle it. Lost your job and your kid is sick? Eh...you can handle it.

You need to learn to be socially responsible, you already sound like you've got a handle on personal responsibility.

I see and hear everyone bitching about Obamacare. I have yet to see any of these same people offer up ways to fix it. I'm not talking about, "Go
back to how it was." kind of answers either. Our healthcare system in this country NEEDED some tweaking, and obviously Obamacare has serious flaws.

So, until someone wants to offer up some creative ways to fix what was dumped on us in a REAL way, I don't want to hear it. We get it, we all feel it
too -- Obamacare isn't going to work out.

Government involvement is what created the mess so they sure the hell don't have any solutions to fix it.

Between regulation,taxation,malpractice law suits, and unionization of nurses. the added cost for what it takes to educate doctors, and nurses.

There are any number of reasons for the rise of the cost of healthcare that also includes the devaluation of the dollar, but most people will just
stop at those bloody evil corporations, insurance corporations are just out to screw people over.

Nay I say the people who have screwed us over THE MOST is the very people who constantly cry how they are out to 'help' us...

This will be hard to do that as the Supreme court when striking down that Obama care could not go after local governments and penalizing them for not
expanding Medicaid so non profit hospital will still be looking after those that can not be mandated and can not afford Obama care without Medicaid
expansion.

Originally posted by MystikMushroom
I see and hear everyone bitching about Obamacare. I have yet to see any of these same people offer up ways to fix it. I'm not talking about, "Go
back to how it was." kind of answers either. Our healthcare system in this country NEEDED some tweaking, and obviously Obamacare has serious flaws.

So, until someone wants to offer up some creative ways to fix what was dumped on us in a REAL way, I don't want to hear it. We get it, we all feel it
too -- Obamacare isn't going to work out.

I have in old threads and posts.

At this point;

1. repeal entirely.

2. legislate laws addressing one existing problem at a time.

for example, many States were already addressing the 'pre-existing' conditions problem.

The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, Public Law 111-148 (124 Stat. 119 (2010)) (the “Affordable Care Act” ), enacted section 501
(r) of the Code, which imposes additional requirements on charitable hosp ital organizations. Section 501(r)(1) states that a hospital organization
described in section 501(r)(2) will not be treated as a tax-exempt organization described in section 501(c)(3) unless the organization meets the
requirements of section 501(r)(3) through 501(r)(6). The Affordable Care Act did not otherwise affect the substantive

standards for tax exemption that charitabl e hospital organizations are required to meet under section 501(c)(3). Section 501(r)(2)(A) defines a
hospital organization as: (i) an organization that operates a facility required by a stat e to be licensed, registered, or similarly recognized as a
hospital; and (ii) any other organization t hat the Secretary determines has the provision of hospital ca re as its principal function or purpose
constituting the basis for its ex emption under section 501(c)(3). Section 501(r)(2)(B)(i) requires a hospi tal organization that operates more than
one hospital facility to meet the requirements of section 501(r) separately with respect to each hospital facility. Section 501(r)(2)(B)(ii) provides
that a hospital organization will not be treated as described in section 501(c)(3) with respect to any hospital facility for whic h the requirements
of section 501(r) are not separately met. Section 501(r)(3) requires a hospital organization to conduct a CHNA at least once every three years and
adopt an im plementation strategy to meet the community health needs ident ified through the CHNA. T he CHNA must take into account input from persons
who represent the broad interests of the community served by the hospital facility, includi ng those with special knowledge of or expertise in public
health. The CHNA must also be made widely available to the public. Section 4959 imposes a $50,000 excise tax on a hospital organization that fails to
meet the CHNA requirements for any taxable year. A hospital organization must report the amount of any excise tax imposed on it under 5

Well, you know, that after the scandal with the IRS going after those that do not fall for the government BS is very possible that our corporate
government will make life very hard for those states that are not to follow many parts of the Obamacrap care.

I still believe that states will have the say so on any matter that have to do with treating uninsured people, because is not a federal government
issue but local government issue.

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