On a similar subject, the owners of Chosspile (or Harties) have contacted us and are not happy about climbers accessing to climbing from the dam wall side. This is a bit shorter, but please go through the main entrance and pay the R40. A few of us may save a bit of effort and money, but this may result in all of us losing a great climbing venue if we are told no climbing any more. There is a big need for more sport climbs near JHB and PTA, as seen by the overcrowding at the crags, and one less would be a disaster, not to mention the thousands of Rand and hundreds of hours spent to put up the climbs going to waste. There is also the great history of climbs such as Fossil Fuel which will all be lost.

I am not two phased about the money. What I would be concerned about is the safety of my car. I was always worried about the dodge drifters that spend the day there drinking and partying down the bottom.

Is is safe ?. Have you heard of any climbers cars been broken into at all ?

I'm just re-posting a post by Neil into this separate thread (it was on the 'Boven parking thread) in order to draw the necessary attention - I have no insights into the ownership / safety situation, sorry.

This is a good question. Some time back when we were dealing with the Snake Park saga, at this time we confirmed solid access. It seems the area above is owned by about 5 people, one of which also owners the picnic site. He is a member of the Joberg Hiking Club and is on our side. He has persuaded the other owners to allow us there. We need to support him in return.

Doesn't realy matter which section the guy owns does it? I mean if he presuaded the other owners to allow climbers to utilize the crags what does it matter which part he owns? All we can do is give the guy some support in return. I personally never had any problems with the car at the picnic area.