OT: The Worst Boxing Movie

Now it is all run by special interest groups and their campaign
contributions which all have strings attached. I doesn't matter whether
that campaign contribution goes to the Right or the Left, whoever gets
put in the White House, goes there owing a lot of favours to a lot of
people. That soul is sold long before inauguration.
And now with paper-less voting, I'm not so sure that voting matters any
more. Never in history have there been such huge discrepancies between
exit polls and 'counted' votes. And to think 'They' wouldn't do that to
The People, makes one very naive.... so think again.
First thing to do is to take the voting system back.
Then lose the Electoral College.
Only then does the Middle stand a chance. Right now the Middle is being
split in two by the same tactics as 1933 Germany.
Then it's time to cook up some spotted owl on the BBQ and take the
Hummer for a spin.

As someone whose ancestors inhabited the land subjugated by
The Evil Empire, Reagan gets a big Thumbs Up from me. The Cold
War was fought by many, but it was ultimately won by Reagan's
deep belief in the power of markets to bankrupt a nonsustainable
system. The debt he incurred in so doing has been more than
paid back in a more stable world with a noticable diminished
miltitary footing, notwithstanding today's excursion in the Middle
East. Clinton benefitted directly from the resultant peace dividend.
I also very much agreed with his ideas about economics and limited
government. Pity the Republican Congress didn't actually
manage to act that way as well.

Charlie -
Don't ever kid yourself. We get *exactly* the politics The Sheeple
want. Whether Left- or Right-, the politicians are merely responding
to the market forces of politics; they are doing what they need to
for reelection. It is The Sheeple that line up for "free" stuff
and elect people to get it for them. Robert Heinlein once suggested
a taxonomy that all humans are one of: Makers, Fakers, and Takers.
A depression portion of the population are Fakers and elect Takers
to do their stealing for them.

Don't forget that marginal tax rates were over 90% under Ike - the
raping of Other People's Wallets was well underway during his
presidency. He also bestowed the legacy of Viet Nam upon us which
was fulfilled by Kennedy and Johnson. Nixon, for all his sins,
had the stones to get us out of that mess. For this and his
improving relations with China, he should get some credit.

Again, I think you underestimate the pressure of The Sheeple. The desire
to have gasoline at a price people feel like paying, without regard to
the geopolitical consequences has driven 'internationalization' of our
policy to a noteworthy degree, for example.

Didn't good old Ike order the overthrow (Operation AJAX) of Iran's goverment
and its president (Time Magazine's Man or the Year 1951) Mossadegh in the
first weeks of his inaguration? This too in an effort to control the world
oil supply?
Dave

Sorry Doug, that is what happened. Kermit Rosevelt Jr. (Teddy's grandson)
led the infant CIA operation. It was then, as it is today about the oil. In
fact Truman refused to OK the operation but that didn't stop Ike upon his
taking office.
DAGS
http://www.answers.com/topic/operation-ajax
Dave

What a bunch of crap -- Mossadegh was ousted by Iranian military officers
loyal to the Shah. Eisenhower provides an excellent description of what
happened in his book "Mandate for Change" (pages 159-166).

No to express an opinion either way but....
On the off chance that those military officers were aided by
the CIA do you suppose Ike might have omitted that from his
book, particularly if that involvement was still classfied
at the time it was published?

Yup.
He he he - now you'll get better lookin', richer, and happier ... uh,
let me know if that works for ya, BTW ;)
Someday I'm gonna write a book called "Why The Right Is Wrong And The
Left Is Worse" In the mean time - vote Libertarian ...

I'd have to agree that phoney or not, W has to be on-scene with the
perhaps the biggest natural disaster this country has witnessed on
live TV ever. Those people are _still_ hurting like we can't imagine,
and there's only one person they want to see (like him or not) and
that's the President... and not some delegated cheerleader. They
don't want a token "Hey... I showed up three times since the
Hurricane" so I have to move on to other issues president.
OTH, while he has invoked a major energy-savings program at the white
house, he should've got on a train in a special series of cars, and
then once in the area he could comandeer a copter or whatever was
needed to get to all the parishes.

I wonder. Does he really have to go down there and hold hands once a
ewek or more frequently? If he had given the impression of giving even
a mild damn about things early on, he might have been able to save
about five trips, at 20,000 gallons (or more: that's just AF 1 jet
fuel) per trip.
It strikes me that people who call for caution in the use of whatever
item, should do their best to reduce their own use of the item being
conserved, particularly when said person is one of the largest, if not
the largest, single consumers in the world.

Thing is, if he had gone down right away, people would have been
(correctly) criticizing him for diverting resources away from rescue and
into protecting him. It was appropriate to stay the hell out of the way
for as long as he did; there was nothing to be gained by having to,
among all their other problems, suddenly have a presidential protection
detail going on. Yet the same people complaining that he didn't go down
right away, I guarantee, would be pointing out exactly that if he had
gone down right away.

They were already doing that kind of thing last week. After Katrina,
they were lambasting Bush for not going down to NO personally and for not
having been there making sure things were right before the storm. Then,
before Rita hit, when he *was* in Texas, good ol' David (impartial no bias
here) Gregory had the cajones to ask Bush if he thought that with Bush
being down there before the storm, he and his entourage were "getting in
the way" of the rescue workers.
There is no logic in the people opposing the president, only pure,
unadulterated hatred -- it doesn't matter what he does, it will be wrong.
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If you're gonna be dumb, you better be tough
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You'll see what you want to see and read what you want to read, of
course, but I heard of no one criticizing Bush for not being their
personally before the hurricane. And he was there, once his handlers
decided his vacation was over, fairly quickly, for a quick flyover on
his way home. The "hatred" you see for Bush stems from his use of
things like that flyover at 300 MPH or so as a way to say, "Been there,
done that" which a lot of the rest of us find unacceptable. At this
point, Bush is wasting fuel, though, as he is, IIRC, making trip #5 or
#7 (I lost track). One trip to each area should do it, but it hasn't.
He's either a slow learner or someone saw more photo ops.
Oh, yes: don't mistake contempt for hatred.

There is no logic in the people attacking the opposition to
the present administration. But there is a method.
Whenever they know that the facts are against them, which is
often the case, they resort to the classic tactic of a cheating
spouse and other persons with a morally indefensible positon.
They accuse the other of that of which they themselves are
guilty.
In the instant case, they are acting out of pure, unadulterated
hatred.

Not exactly. It just happens that a good many of the Political Goobers
that criticize the President happen also to have a very selective view
of just who is entitled to freedom and how they get it. Specifically,
these Political Goobers want to be the switchbox that decides who gets
freedom, who pays for it, and on what issues freedom ought to apply. For
example, they want people to be "free" to have abortions and
simulaneously want me to not be free to avoid paying for them. They want
people to be "free" to build and live 8 feet below sea level and then
want to enslave me to pay for the rebuilding of these *private* homes
and residences regardless of my objections to doing so. The list is
endless.
IOW, these people had long been violaters of the idea of *equal* freedom
for everyone. They want to decide who is free, just how much, and whose
freedoms will be compromised to reach their goals. This all took place
long before they started drooling all over themselves about this
administration.

So those who disagree with you and Georgie Boy are goobers. Well, I'd
guess gooberizing others shows a certain tendency to peanut-brainism of
the gooberizer.
It might really be getting close to the time you quit ascribing an
entire menu of beliefs and desires to people who are pesenting an
opinion on ONE area. I know it's difficult. Stereotypes die hard, and
stereotyping is a whole lot of fun and much easier than thinking, but
give it a try.

I don't agree with George on much of anything. I just dislike most
all his critics (especially the class of critics herein described)
far more than I dislike his ideas.

I did no such thing. I said "A good many of ..." This means I am
specifically addressing myself to a subset of W's critics. All I said
was that this subset of people opposed equal freedom long before GW showed up.
They've been doing it for a long, long time. If the shoe fits, wear it.
If it doesn't, you are not in the class being critized (by me), so take
a deep breath and relax. All this reflexive defense of George-beaters is
bad for your health.

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