so soon it will be time to ask all non americans to leave as we will be very busy cleaning house so please you will all find exits to east and west and the south. i think our canadian friends if they want to stay may if they like

Millions of gun owners are going to do exactly what they are told to do when push comes to shove. That is a fact that you will just have to accept. Just because someone is a gun owner does not keep them from also being a sheeple. If you can't see it, you are delusional.

Maybe thousands will not comply. Those will be your heros. You will see them on TV in the news, just like Dorner.

Many of those people in this video were smiling, laughing, cheering and having a good time. They really have no clue what they are getting themselves into. The clueless will scatter like cockroaches when TSHTF in their faces. I doubt you'll be able to truly count on many of those people at that rally when the body count skyrockets, unless they get a mortality clue real fast. Take a look as some Syria videos from Liveleak if you need a lesson on how nasty war looks. Will they still be smiling when their little daughter's brains are splattered all over their faces?

The real operators know better than to show up and put their faces in the DHS facial recognition database that everyone there did.

But some people have to make a show of support for the cause, right? Those will become the first martyrs. Say a prayer for their families.

Good luck, keyboard hero.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34318818

Musch of what you say is sadly true. But do not underestimate the speed of the awakening that we see. When an idea reaches critical mass it seeps in everywhere.

But maybe all this talk about guns is a diversion? What do TPTB have to fear from people with handguns and semi-automatic weapons? They own the american people anyway, they control the economy completely and the military with its superior weaponry. What you really should focus on is all the other unconstitutional bills that are being signed. I bet Obama will back down on this gun grab and the majority will go back to sleep. And wake up in a police state. Where their AR15s are as effective as kitchen cutlery.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26491065

Here's my understanding of the motive for gun control now: TPTB are getting ready to crash the US economy. They are going to bleed it dry first, then pull the plug. They understand there will be chaos and riots everywhere. That's why they are going to head for their guarded bunkers, to stay safely underground for awhile so nobody can get to them easily.

They learned from Israel, Afghanistan & Iraq that isolated above-ground compounds are vulnerable to attack from their enemies by indirect actions such as impr0vised m0rtars, impr0vised r0ckets, and home-made UAVs, etc. But they are virtually untouchable in underground guarded bunkers with self-contained air supplies to guard from forest fires, ch3m attacks, etc. They can get military or merc units to guard them up above their lairs.

But they are not so afraid of criminals with guns, because those types will run around looting and murdering usually only locally. What they do fear however are smart patriots who are armed and organized. They fear them the most, that they will come after them in vengence or for regime change. So it is a self-preservation move of desperation to disarm the law-abiding citizens before they pull the plug on the economy and the nation. But it will be done.

They know that they will not achieve all their gun right's violations by legislation and EO's alone, so they want chaos, riots and general rebellion to break out in order to institute a defacto Marshall law throughout the nation. Then they will have the excuse they need to completely trash what's left of the US Constitution and go grab the guns directly with the US & UN militaries as well as Blackwater mercs.

They can funnel as many foreign militaries (incl. the Chinese and Russians) as they want into the country to fight the "d0mestic terr0rist patri0ts" as long as they just give them baby blue helmets to wear. This War of Federal Aggression could go on for 10 or more years if they need it to. No other nation is going to come to the aid of the patri0ts. They will be on their own, until they are wiped out or surrender.

It's sad, but how can a bunch of disorganized patri0ts go up against the combined militaries of at least half of the US military, half of the US police forces, most of DHS and the other alphabets, plus several other militaries coming in from all around the world hiding under blue helmets? I'm sure those armies will be promised lots of worthless money and other goodies for their "humanitarian aid" to TPTB here. And the Lame-stream media will dutifully broadcast their scripts as instructed to keep everyone around the world turned against the "d0mestic terr0rists."

Once the nation is disarmed and the "rebellion" is purged, the Corporate slavery will begin and the NWO can begin consolidating nations in earnest. Canada and Mexico will be next, along with maybe Cerntral and South America, unless Brazil gets brave and somehow gets Russia and China to help it intervene and stall progress in South America. Then the American Union will merge with the EU and the NWO will be finally realized.And it all hinges on America's guns.

The Age of Man is almost finished.

Only God can save us now.

Peace

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34318818

Thank you for your views.

I think there is one thing they fear more than patriots on the streets with guns. And that is patriots on the streets with their guns at home.

Massive civilian and peaceful protests, where you give the police and military lots of love, will break the Devil's neck. Demand only a few things that focuses on the cause of all evil. Demand the constitution back. Demand that the power over the dollar is handed back to the people. Demand an end to the monopoly in mass media.

No guns. 100 percent non-violent. Just millions of loving people demanding a better world.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26491065

The Torahless elite do NOT know love, they are son's of belial and are REPROBATE. Take your fake "christian" love everybody bullshit elsewhere.

Next you will say, love the person murdering or raping you???

Yes, we should love YHVH supremely, and our neighbors as ourselves, but you must have never read how YHVH and His Mashiyach are going to deal with the Torahless???

No guns. 100 percent non-violent. Just millions of loving people demanding a better world.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26491065

This is total idiocy. You can't win over everyone and there will always be those who will bow to the money or safety of working with the best gangsters of the age. Peaceful protest doesn't amount to jack shit any more because they know that the protestors don't have any balls behind them.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33800373

Learn from history. A violent revolution is almost always followed by a violent government.

Most dictators fall during the peaceful stage of the revolution. And a violent revolution is bound to fail if the peaceful stage is skipped.

TPTB WANT you to take to arms NOW. If you start massive peaceful protests and show your love for the police and military, then you win. Without the police and military on your side, no one will remember the second american revolution.

The arab uprisings last year toppled omnipotent dictators without much violence. They succeded because they won over the hearts and minds of the military. In Syria they skipped that stage. And are about to be exterminated.

If you call for a violent uprising at this point, I call you a shill.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26491065

you are not speaking of us sure there some arabs here but most here well just look at the crowd.

not to me i grew up with a contitution in my home and as i traveled much of life i have alwys taken a copy with me.our contituion means something so dear to us you must not have the same or you would understand

this has encouraged me to contact my local sheriff and figure out where he stands. I am just as concerned as everybody else, btw I do not own guns. but I do so under the knowledge that my neighbors and friends and possibly strangers across the block do own guns and would protect me.

the very idea of doing this infringes on our RIGHTS not privileges and the public works serve us. we don't serve them. I encourage everybody to at least shoot an e-mail or phone call and inquire on their stance.

Quoting: SteamrolledGobias

Wow!

Please tell me you are not the "Man of The House"

Please Tell Me you "Do Not Have a Family" that will need to depend on you wtshtf

this has encouraged me to contact my local sheriff and figure out where he stands. I am just as concerned as everybody else, btw I do not own guns. but I do so under the knowledge that my neighbors and friends and possibly strangers across the block do own guns and would protect me.

the very idea of doing this infringes on our RIGHTS not privileges and the public works serve us. we don't serve them. I encourage everybody to at least shoot an e-mail or phone call and inquire on their stance.

Quoting: SteamrolledGobias

Wow!

Please tell me you are not the "Man of The House"

Please Tell Me you "Do Not Have a Family" that will need to depend on you wtshtf

The tree of liberty must be refreshed fromtime to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

~Thomas Jefferson

That time is very near.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30850836

That is not the way, there are onky 3000 people, there are millions in New York alone, and the army and police far outnumber these people, if they start a militia campaign they will not make it, perhaps they will be the first to die and made an example of, this will not end well.

Surely there must be another way? Do you really think it is worth being imprisoned or worse, dying for?

The tree of liberty must be refreshed fromtime to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

~Thomas Jefferson

That time is very near.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30850836

That is not the way, there are onky 3000 people, there are millions in New York alone, and the army and police far outnumber these people, if they start a militia campaign they will not make it, perhaps they will be the first to die and made an example of, this will not end well.

Surely there must be another way? Do you really think it is worth being imprisoned or worse, dying for?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34563074

We are acting just like the germans did when Hitler took over and they were ultimately held accountable for his crimes for allowing it to happen.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed fromtime to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

~Thomas Jefferson

That time is very near.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30850836

That is not the way, there are onky 3000 people, there are millions in New York alone, and the army and police far outnumber these people, if they start a militia campaign they will not make it, perhaps they will be the first to die and made an example of, this will not end well.

Surely there must be another way? Do you really think it is worth being imprisoned or worse, dying for?

The tree of liberty must be refreshed fromtime to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

~Thomas Jefferson

That time is very near.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30850836

That is not the way, there are onky 3000 people, there are millions in New York alone, and the army and police far outnumber these people, if they start a militia campaign they will not make it, perhaps they will be the first to die and made an example of, this will not end well.

Surely there must be another way? Do you really think it is worth being imprisoned or worse, dying for?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34563074

We are acting just like the germans did when Hitler took over and they were ultimately held accountable for his crimes for allowing it to happen.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11118

we kept our mouth shut and complied back then.millions of innocent died as a result.no one wants to do the same mistake.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed fromtime to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

~Thomas Jefferson

That time is very near.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30850836

That is not the way, there are onky 3000 people, there are millions in New York alone, and the army and police far outnumber these people, if they start a militia campaign they will not make it, perhaps they will be the first to die and made an example of, this will not end well.

Surely there must be another way? Do you really think it is worth being imprisoned or worse, dying for?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34563074

Why do you say that?So by your logic we just give up and become slaves to the scumbag banksters.Not me.I'd rather die fighting on my feet than bowing on my knees to these scumbags.

No guns. 100 percent non-violent. Just millions of loving people demanding a better world.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 26491065

This is total idiocy. You can't win over everyone and there will always be those who will bow to the money or safety of working with the best gangsters of the age. Peaceful protest doesn't amount to jack shit any more because they know that the protestors don't have any balls behind them.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33800373

Learn from history. A violent revolution is almost always followed by a violent government.

Most dictators fall during the peaceful stage of the revolution. And a violent revolution is bound to fail if the peaceful stage is skipped.

TPTB WANT you to take to arms NOW. If you start massive peaceful protests and show your love for the police and military, then you win. Without the police and military on your side, no one will remember the second american revolution.

The arab uprisings last year toppled omnipotent dictators without much violence. They succeded because they won over the hearts and minds of the military. In Syria they skipped that stage. And are about to be exterminated.

And meanwhile as we fight among each other... The Rothschild's, Rockefellers,Soros, etc just laugh at us, Wait's for the rubble to clear, then continues their world take over. It doesn't matter who wins for them...they are UNTOUCHABLE.

It just pisses me off that these people ALWAYS get away with it.

Quoting: Tanarus

Yeah, but little do they know that then all the good people will be gone and they'll be left with all the crap.

Yup theyll be The Lords of Shit. Then they'll destroy eachother over the remains. How bright is that?

The tree of liberty must be refreshed fromtime to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

~Thomas Jefferson

That time is very near.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30850836

That is not the way, there are onky 3000 people, there are millions in New York alone, and the army and police far outnumber these people, if they start a militia campaign they will not make it, perhaps they will be the first to die and made an example of, this will not end well.

Surely there must be another way? Do you really think it is worth being imprisoned or worse, dying for?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34563074

good god go clean up your country please your mess is bigger than ours. i hardly think we should be listing to you

I just don't want good american people who have abided by law all there lives, paid taxes and upheld their consitution to die.

What these people are suggesting is a resistance against government and again, we need a governement to be entrusted with fixing the citites and helping its residents, but if they refuse, then surely April the 19th will go down in history as the start of civil disobedience in modern times?

If they have FEMA camps, the order to arrest and detain without trial, killing of any American anywhere in the world, drone attacks and nearly 60million hollow point rounds, military drills in cities, do you not think they too are fully prepared for any such resistance?

Maybe if people just went on strike from work, and had a peaceful resistance like Gandhi, it would be more effective, rather than set deadlines for refusing guns, just look at how they went after Dorner, they were intent on burning the place down, and were not interested in arrest.

The governement and military as well as the police are organized, and well experienced in meeting resistance, they have supplies and manpower to work 24 hours a day, whereas the so called militia is a band of men and women who are not.

That is why I do not think it a good idea, they are outnumbered and outskilled, and I am not trying to offend them, I just don't think they have thought it through. They will become fugitives.

I'm not american I have no vested interest whether or not guns are restricted or outlawed. In fact I probably stay out of this thread as I'm sure some of will tell me in your very eloquent way, but fuck it.

Bollocks, this is the same crap posted online since Waco. Same bluster right wing militant doom mongering. Have you ever thought that if you put as much effort making a rational cogent argument on the topic you may get more support from the middle ground. Have any of you actually made, signed or written a petition and sent it to the people that make the laws. Have any you you thought about using peaceful means to get the message across as oppose to threats of violence. This is the very reason some areas of America would like to see assault weapons band.

A lot of you seem to be ready to trample all over the other amendments and democratic process to protect 2nd amendment while ignoring the rest of them and bring war and death to your streets. You seem to think you and your family would be immune to the violence you seem so hell bent on bring upon yourself. Civil war or unrest is no joke look at North Africa and the Middle East hundreds of thousands dead and hurt.

It seems very hard to find unbiased poll results on the topic of gun control, but you have to try and keep faith in democracy and the process that are there to protect the constitution. You the very people reading this thread need to start, not just sign petitions if you wish to protect your beliefs. There's enough people all ready in this thread to get the ball rolling.

The tree of liberty must be refreshed fromtime to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

~Thomas Jefferson

That time is very near.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30850836

That is not the way, there are onky 3000 people, there are millions in New York alone, and the army and police far outnumber these people, if they start a militia campaign they will not make it, perhaps they will be the first to die and made an example of, this will not end well.

Surely there must be another way? Do you really think it is worth being imprisoned or worse, dying for?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34563074

good god go clean up your country please your mess is bigger than ours. i hardly think we should be listing to you

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33639397

Sir, I think that the mess in our country has a lot to do with the drugs trade, who's ultimate destination is your country. The fast and furious guns that were being pumped into this country came from yours and the gang wars that have taken the lives of nearly 100,000 innocent people is also linked to your country.

Prior to the declaration of the war on drugs, there were far fewer deaths and a relatively safer environment, and six years on, the war has not been won, drugs and guns are still available and the people still live in fear of being caught in the crossfire.

Oath Keepers? Are they a white supremacist organization? Sure sounds like it to me.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17972344

dream on--- I am black and besides, who the hell cares what color we are--- we are all together to protect ourselves from tyranny. In this we are no longer dems, repubs or whatever--- we are patriots

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21681843

Thank you for posting these significant "truths":

- it doesn't matter what color we are- we are all together to protect ourselves from tyranny- In this we are no longer dems, repubs or whatever--- we are patriots

Let's stop allowing them to control us by dividing us. Stay focussed on the only real truth: we are all Americans and, as Americans, we all must protect and defend that which states we are all free and equal in the eyes of our Creator - the USConstitution!