I'm for this, with a path to citizenship five or ten years down the road. We need to stop pretending these people don't exist, or that they deserve to live in the shadows and off the books. It is wrong to exploit their lack of labor rights simply because they have no legal recourse, and it is wrong to have INS go in and break up families and send people who want to be American citizens "home" just because. We can't keep these people out, we've tried.

I have respect for the people who come here legally, but it is hard to not have respect for someone who sets out through the desert, facing dehydration and death, spending every peso to their name paying some murderous cartel coyote to get them past the checkpoints for a slim chance at the American dream. If that person isn't crooked or criminal then I'd say they passed the test, a fine addition to our country. And since we can't stop them, we should at least learn their names and give them some residency paperwork.

violentsalvation:TuteTibiImperes: Let's make this easy and just get on with amnesty already.

I'm for this, with a path to citizenship five or ten years down the road. We need to stop pretending these people don't exist, or that they deserve to live in the shadows and off the books. It is wrong to exploit their lack of labor rights simply because they have no legal recourse, and it is wrong to have INS go in and break up families and send people who want to be American citizens "home" just because. We can't keep these people out, we've tried.

I have respect for the people who come here legally, but it is hard to not have respect for someone who sets out through the desert, facing dehydration and death, spending every peso to their name paying some murderous cartel coyote to get them past the checkpoints for a slim chance at the American dream. If that person isn't crooked or criminal then I'd say they passed the test, a fine addition to our country. And since we can't stop them, we should at least learn their names and give them some residency paperwork.

so what laws can we just get around then? how many other countries have an issue w/ illegal immigrants, and what do they do?

Is it THAT hard to come over her legally? or are they doing it to avoid the costs of being a citizen? Or because they are criminals?

violentsalvation:TuteTibiImperes: Let's make this easy and just get on with amnesty already.

I'm for this, with a path to citizenship five or ten years down the road. We need to stop pretending these people don't exist, or that they deserve to live in the shadows and off the books. It is wrong to exploit their lack of labor rights simply because they have no legal recourse, and it is wrong to have INS go in and break up families and send people who want to be American citizens "home" just because. We can't keep these people out, we've tried.

I have respect for the people who come here legally, but it is hard to not have respect for someone who sets out through the desert, facing dehydration and death, spending every peso to their name paying some murderous cartel coyote to get them past the checkpoints for a slim chance at the American dream. If that person isn't crooked or criminal then I'd say they passed the test, a fine addition to our country. And since we can't stop them, we should at least learn their names and give them some residency paperwork.

violentsalvation:I'm for this, with a path to citizenship five or ten years down the road. We need to stop pretending these people don't exist, or that they deserve to live in the shadows and off the books.

Well, they deserve to live in their home country, until they get their visitation papers approved.

Hey mang, they cut the line. They're lawbreakers! Nevermind that we created the line in the first place by creating quotas on how many people from each country can enter each year. LAWBREAKERS! MISCREANTS!

You Are All Sheep:violentsalvation: TuteTibiImperes: Let's make this easy and just get on with amnesty already.

I'm for this, with a path to citizenship five or ten years down the road. We need to stop pretending these people don't exist, or that they deserve to live in the shadows and off the books. It is wrong to exploit their lack of labor rights simply because they have no legal recourse, and it is wrong to have INS go in and break up families and send people who want to be American citizens "home" just because. We can't keep these people out, we've tried.

I have respect for the people who come here legally, but it is hard to not have respect for someone who sets out through the desert, facing dehydration and death, spending every peso to their name paying some murderous cartel coyote to get them past the checkpoints for a slim chance at the American dream. If that person isn't crooked or criminal then I'd say they passed the test, a fine addition to our country. And since we can't stop them, we should at least learn their names and give them some residency paperwork.

so what laws can we just get around then? how many other countries have an issue w/ illegal immigrants, and what do they do?

Is it THAT hard to come over her legally? or are they doing it to avoid the costs of being a citizen? Or because they are criminals?

There is a chance many become criminals because they can't get a decent job because they don't have residency paperwork because it takes an inordinate amount of time and money to gain full citizenship and while this might be the "Land of the Free", you still have to make money somehow to survive.

Cold_Sassy:Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license. They're not even supposed to farking be here, and drain resources from people who have a legitimate claim to them. This is bullsh*t..

You're right. It's not like they pay sales/consumer taxes, add labor to the economy, do jobs no one else wants, pay rent, purchase or consumer goods, and all without having access to things like social security, unemployment, or any other federal or state benefits.

Read the article to find out why getting rear ended by an uninsured illegal alien was better that by an insured illegal alien with a valid driver's licence. And why the federal government wanted that so my insurance rates to go up.

violentsalvation:I have respect for the people who come here legally, but it is hard to not have respect for someone who sets out through the desert, facing dehydration and death, spending every peso to their name paying some murderous cartel coyote to get them past the checkpoints for a slim chance at the American dream. If that person isn't crooked or criminal then I'd say they passed the test, a fine addition to our country. And since we can't stop them, we should at least learn their names and give them some residency paperwork.

1. The feds don't really "have a problem" with it, they're just saying it won't be a DHS-recognized form of ID. Big deal.

2. CA passed a law requiring something to be put in place without thinking about the practicalities of implementation? Color me shocked.

3. Those of you who equate illegal immigration to an actual "crime" are idiots. No one's rights are being violated by someone being here without proper approval and documentation. It's a procedural violation, and should be handled as a civil rather than criminal matter. However, I'm willing to concede your point if you all agree that things like not getting a proper permit for your deck or waiting too long to re-register your car should also result in a SWAT team bearing down on you to send your lilly white ass to PMITA prison.

I do not know what the answer is but the whole situation is a colossal fark up.

We spends hundreds of millions of dollars funding agencies whose purpose is to stop people from entering the country illegally.

Then we spend hundreds of millions of dollars on agencies to help the illegal immigrants once they arrive.

It is so ridiculously counter intuitive that only the government can do it

My 2 cents

1 find a way to secure the border2 once the border is secure figure out plan to either deport or grant amnesty to those here.3 adjust the immigration numbers to ensure an adequate work force. I mean someone needs to work to pay taxes to support the lazy Americans not working.4 try to ensure that Mexico continues to grow economically to lesser the need for thier citizens to leave.

That is my rough plan. If anyone from the Obama Administration has any questions, hit me up on Fark, I am sure we can figure something out.

pueblonative:Cold_Sassy: Illegal immigrants do not deserve a driver's license. They're not even supposed to farking be here, and drain resources from people who have a legitimate claim to them. This is bullsh*t..

You have more of a claim to resources because your mom shot her crotchfruit out on the right side of the border?

BitwiseShift:Read the article to find out why getting rear ended by an uninsured illegal alien was better that by an insured illegal alien with a valid driver's licence. And why the federal government wanted that so my insurance rates to go up.

Exactly this. It has nothing to do with making Illegals citizens, or a pathway to amnesty. It has EVERYTHING to do with Insurance rates, plain and simple.

Nutsac_Jim:If someone broke in to your house, can they be prohibited from being removed by asserting that you want them out of your house 'just because' ? No. It is because they have no permission to be there.

The problem being that you share the house with 300 million roommates and you want to be able to kick their friends who were invited out.

Why don't we just do away with the concept of citizenship altogether and just open our borders to anyone and everyone to come here and do as they please? Which is another way of asking when we lost our farking minds about illegal immigration? It isn't a left vs right issue and never has been.

violentsalvation:TuteTibiImperes: Let's make this easy and just get on with amnesty already.

I'm for this, with a path to citizenship five or ten years down the road. We need to stop pretending these people don't exist, or that they deserve to live in the shadows and off the books. It is wrong to exploit their lack of labor rights simply because they have no legal recourse, and it is wrong to have INS go in and break up families and send people who want to be American citizens "home" just because. We can't keep these people out, we've tried.

I have respect for the people who come here legally, but it is hard to not have respect for someone who sets out through the desert, facing dehydration and death, spending every peso to their name paying some murderous cartel coyote to get them past the checkpoints for a slim chance at the American dream. If that person isn't crooked or criminal then I'd say they passed the test, a fine addition to our country. And since we can't stop them, we should at least learn their names and give them some residency paperwork.

So if I broke into your house house and stole something valuable from you'd be ok with it and have respect for me because it's kind of a tough thing to do and there are consequences if I get caught?

pueblonative:You have more of a claim to resources because your mom shot her crotchfruit out on the right side of the border?

So I should just be able to go to Mexico and become a Mexican citizen if I want? Of Germany, or Great Britain?

Mein Fuhrer I Can Walk:Yes, how dare they make licenses for non-citizens visually distinct from licenses for citizens and legal residents.

This is the part of the article I can't understand. People are afraid the marking on the license will be a 'Scarlet Letter' for the person carrying it? It should. They are doing something illegal. The thing I don't understand is how these people can walk around with their giant balls. They basically go into a government building, admit that they are there illegally and ask for a driver's license? Shouldn't they get deported as soon as they walk in the building?

I find it intriguing that the people most concerned with invasive plants coming in and taking over are often big supporters of immigrants. And those people who don't give a damn about invasive species are overly paranoid about human immigration.

nunyadang:I do not know what the answer is but the whole situation is a colossal fark up.

We spends hundreds of millions of dollars funding agencies whose purpose is to stop people from entering the country illegally.

Then we spend hundreds of millions of dollars on agencies to help the illegal immigrants once they arrive.

It is so ridiculously counter intuitive that only the government can do it

My 2 cents

1 find a way to secure the border2 once the border is secure figure out plan to either deport or grant amnesty to those here.3 adjust the immigration numbers to ensure an adequate work force. I mean someone needs to work to pay taxes to support the lazy Americans not working.4 try to ensure that Mexico continues to grow economically to lesser the need for thier citizens to leave.

That is my rough plan. If anyone from the Obama Administration has any questions, hit me up on Fark, I am sure we can figure something out.