Mr. Tact wrote on Jun 15, 2012, 20:08:Is Win 8 even being targeted for PCs? I thought it was a tablet only OS.

Its a tablet OS that they're trying to fool PC buyers into purchasing. This has 'worst PC software product of all time' written all over it.

That's the biggest point that has me scratching my head. It's not like the vast majority of people have giant touchscreens hooked up to their computers at home. Is this somehow supposed to drive them to buy one? And if they don't have one, what's the fucking point?

How about you actually TRY windows 8 before thinking everyone but you got it wrong?

Metro is REQUIREDMetro is what you LOGIN to.Metro is what you will be FORCED to go through to even *get* to the Windows ExplorerAnd when Windows explorer closes, you are back IN METRO (and this happens more often than you think)

So yeah, Windows 8 has 2 UI's.. but you need to go through Metro at all times.

avianflu wrote on Jun 15, 2012, 13:49:Beamer I wish it were that simple; I've been using the "preview" and you'll get dumped into Metro at various points using the "classic desktop" and it is annoying.

All you can really do is learn the new keyboard shortcuts since anything else will slow you down.

I had heard they were fixing the document issue.

I do agree with everyone saying that it's way premature to combine two form factor OSs, especially bringing one down to the other, but I don't think this is the disaster people make it out to be. I think it's worth no more than $15, if that, so clearly I'm not high on it, I'm just not joining the "hee hee hee BALLMER!" group.

Since Windows 3.1 and Dos 5.0 , Windows 8 will be the first MS OS, I will never ever bother to install and even try.

Nice one Microsoft, at least you did something unique for a change, you produced a windows worthy of worst software launch title in history. Don't even lie to us about volume sales, if people want touch, they will buy Android or Apple iPads, stay the hell away from this segment.

Your argument is "Yeah Metro is useless but guys I'm sure you can avoid it! Here look at the screenshot they've left 75% of the existing UI as is!". Why didn't they just leave all of the existing UI in place and allow us to disable the super sized start menu app store (Metro) then?

Beamer wrote on Jun 15, 2012, 07:31:Did you guys see that Microsoft made some changes to the desktop side earlier this week?

On that note, why does EVERYONE seem to think Metro is the only thing Windows 8 is? It has a desktop side that looks exactly like Windows 7, less Aero and a Start button (two weird decisions.) I'm not high on Windows 8, but it drives me mad when people ignore that it has two UIs (not that such things ever sound like a good idea.)

It doesn't have "two UIs". It has Metro grafted on top of the existing desktop. There's no way to disable Metro.

Metro is a moronic UI overthink. Why would a desktop user want a massive UI that fills his entire 30 inch screen? I'll be skipping this iteration of Windows, thanks.

That said, I could probably survive the loss of the start button. As it is I pin all needed applications to my taskbar. I no longer use Windows Explorer, only access the start menu for control panel (which I really should just pin to the task bar too).

Doesn't seem so end of the world to me. Metro looks great for tablets and terrible for desktops, but if you don't have to use it and if the other aspects make it run better than Windows 7 I'll upgrade (assuming I can get that $15 upgrade - for anything else I won't.) I don't think bridging the desktop/tablet gap makes any sense right now, but I think people panicking as if they'll be doing everything on giant, oversized squares are really kind of missing the point. If you have a desktop you'd probably never once use that after the startup screen.

Beamer wrote on Jun 15, 2012, 07:31:Did you guys see that Microsoft made some changes to the desktop side earlier this week?

On that note, why does EVERYONE seem to think Metro is the only thing Windows 8 is? It has a desktop side that looks exactly like Windows 7, less Aero and a Start button (two weird decisions.) I'm not high on Windows 8, but it drives me mad when people ignore that it has two UIs (not that such things ever sound like a good idea.)

It doesn't have "two UIs". It has Metro grafted on top of the existing desktop. There's no way to disable Metro.

Metro is a moronic UI overthink. Why would a desktop user want a massive UI that fills his entire 30 inch screen? I'll be skipping this iteration of Windows, thanks.

That said, I could probably survive the loss of the start button. As it is I pin all needed applications to my taskbar. I no longer use Windows Explorer, only access the start menu for control panel (which I really should just pin to the task bar too).

I bought Windows 7. Why would I bother buying Windows 8 if it's just the existing desktop UI with Metro dog turd coiled on top.

Did you guys see that Microsoft made some changes to the desktop side earlier this week?

On that note, why does EVERYONE seem to think Metro is the only thing Windows 8 is? It has a desktop side that looks exactly like Windows 7, less Aero and a Start button (two weird decisions.) I'm not high on Windows 8, but it drives me mad when people ignore that it has two UIs (not that such things ever sound like a good idea.)

The only way I'll even possibly consider getting Win8 is if it comes on a new laptop (I'm about due for a new one in the next 6 months or so). The only way I'll actually use it is if there is a way to disable Metro entirely.

eRe4s3r wrote on Jun 14, 2012, 21:48:Unless you fancy RSI within 2 years touch screens will never be more than a gimmick in actual work environments so no fear of anyone upgrading to W8 Whoever thought its smart to have to physically move your entire arm/shoulder to touch something on a screen needs to be smacked, very VERY hard.

Yeah the only people who think touch screen interfaces are conducive to productivity are apple fanboy tech "journalists" who don't actually do any real work dependent on computers.

as a happy owner of a macbook pro I agree whole heartedly that touch screen needs to die on the power user end.

eRe4s3r wrote on Jun 14, 2012, 21:48:Unless you fancy RSI within 2 years touch screens will never be more than a gimmick in actual work environments so no fear of anyone upgrading to W8 Whoever thought its smart to have to physically move your entire arm/shoulder to touch something on a screen needs to be smacked, very VERY hard.

Yeah the only people who think touch screen interfaces are conducive to productivity are apple fanboy tech "journalists" who don't actually do any real work dependent on computers.

nin wrote on Jun 14, 2012, 21:24:The company I'm at is just now moving to Win7/Office 10 (we have a ton of custom in house software we've had to migrate/rewrite/virt term). Win8? Not even being discussed.

Same where I work. I can't see them ever migrating to Win8, honestly; it'll be out before we even finish migrating completely to Win7.