Sorry about that, i thought i got kicked from this forum, alot of folks outright hate this idea, enough to ban me for life from several forums, but i supposed we are all programmed to continue in zealotrious denial.

Nevertheless I didnt think id get kicked for life from 75% of above mentioned forums, anyway back to your questions

DSOTM = the pink floyd album "dark side of the moon", there was a rumor you start it on the third lions roar(or the first) and the album plays through with lyrics that detail an illuminati message(i use the word illuminati in the respect that the person who sees it is usually not illuminated, thus only those with eyes to see can decipher the message, its actually very simple once you have your bearings on symbolism and their methods, usually puns, play on words, or certain masonic hand signals, an easy one to spot is the "pyramid" or "diamond" of the two thumbs and the rest of the hand forming a triangle)

The Wizard of Oz itself was written by an admitted occultist(and many believe he was an insider), you can see in the writing some of the double binds(essentially artificial confusion) he uses with the scarecrow needing a brain(but always having the best ideas) the cowardly lion(who when needed is the bravest), and the tinman who needs a heart(but is constantly the most emotional character).

Anyway, Pink Floyd's THE WALL, most likely what all hippies, beatniks, hells angels, and influential song writers abroad hail as the single album that has a complete map of human experience, and within it...

Who knows? Maybe roger waters and david gilmour are innocent men, but through some trickery/sleight of hand the entire album is corrupt with government propaganda to freemasonic symbolism(it seems like the movie "the wall" was the template for the album, rather than the other way around).

Like history can only tell, the human race is a broken record(litterally, and figuritively) of hanging out on Earth doing mostly nothing, and also annihilating one another whilst building ever more complex and dangerous technology.

Think about it, there has never been "world peace"... ever... in all of human history there is no point at which the whole world was working together and/or just not killing eachother. Couple that with the fact that we already had the technology to destroy the Earth...

...100 years ago.

Now we litterally have enough nuclear armaments to put out our entire solar system...

But, i digress, back to why Wall E and The Wall match up as they do.

Its very simple, they want you to know, the "walls" are at the End. Their psychological walls must be taken down before 2012, It is a part of Freemasonic spiritual law(funny that about wal and law, or realize and real-eyes, or history, his-story? why not, it is but a thought made action right?)

The freemasons are horrible people, so horrible the only reason they still enact "fair warning" on the general populace they are brainwashing is to hopefully catch the smart ones, use them or kill them as they see fit.

Forgive my rambling, it takes alot of context to get this idea across. You must understand that the reason the illuminati became so prevalent was because over many years people had been planted in newspapers and any other form of promotion. As influential writers and role-models for the public(I E the public would follow like sheep) they were in a unique position to rile up the people at will, thus the government could get away with any war it wanted, which is quite the profitable business if you dont lose.

Not only that, but the people worked hard knowing if they didnt they could very well be bombed.

Then, the widespread use of radio became its own propaganda machine. So powerful it even denied the inventor for 30 years...

look up the Marconi/Tesla case, The supreme court ruled for tesla because his patent of the "tesla coil" was the first wireless power transmission system, and could not only project radio waves, but also power lightbulbs, and if large enough even for miles away...

In any case it wasnt long before the ability to create one massive network of propaganda arose in the form of the television...

The cathode ray tube, ever wonder why it has a maltese cross at one end?
Do you really think they invented it for "your" entertainment/news? Or if they did do that, who do you think has the money to keep it going?
Here's one for ya, Hollywood, otherwise known as "ancient druidic wand used to cast spells on the audience"... look what came out of hollywood then and now.

Sorry, NOW, back to the Wizard of Oz, Judy Garland plays Dorothy, and in a song in the movie references "the side of the moon you cannot see"
Judy Garland dies, 1969, the year Apollo 11 touches the face of the moon...

Dark side of the moon comes out 1973... and wouldn't you know it a "rumor" with aparently no origin says if you play it with the Wizard of Oz 1939 a strange effect is had.

This would mean the album was written as a score, with enough bells and whistles to keep the populace with only part the "true" meaning. And why is it that there arent alot of people who "get" pink floyd?

Well, maybe it was all part of the plan, honestly i cant tell you all the messages that are embedded, its not as simple as that.

I can tell you that the E(5th letter of the alphabet, 22nd from last) V(roman numeral, 22nd letter of the alphabet, and 5th from last) and trinity theme is damn prevalent.

EVE is the name of the female robot of the film, she is based on a cell phone, and is opened by a robotic arm that types in a 5 digit code(in the form of a pentagram, have to watch closely), a GREEN symbol on her chest irepresents the TRINITY of the godhead(with stem its just a christian cross) the opening is followed by the stock sound "the matrix" used as the "glitch" soundeffect...
In The Wall/WALLE synced vid of the song "mother"(EVE, biblical)(all of the above is happening as the song starts with a DIAL TONE)

In the opening scene of "the matrix" what do we see?

TRINITY running from three agents, in order to escape she has to make it to a "telephone booth"(which happens to be green) she stands in front of a brick wall, and before traveling through to the "real world"... holds up her hand.

the 5's WALL (E) EVE
the trinity within EVE, holds the plant that brings the humans "back to earth" she is based on a phone!
the three agents, trinity within the telephone booth and... brick wall.

The 5th of November?
The premise of the movie? The government should fear the people, and "there is no such thing as coincidence"?

When you are watching the vids, you might want to keep track of the song name, for instance Another brick in the wall pt 1's ending is when WALL E becomes a part of his "wall" in the form of... a "brick"...

Hidden in plain sight is the moto, its been that way for a long time.
It would help you to know that a hexagon is infact actually a cube in 2 dimentions with center point as foreground and background, and the cube is a huge symbol.

Well thx for the very thurough explanation.....I dont have time to make as detailed of a reply as I'd like but I will say this....

W/re to Floyd, especially Waters who I have ALL his solo work & have seen at least 3 times now....always catch him when he stops in town....will never miss a show of his...thus I am quite familair w/all the Floyd work as well.....are you saying the that there's hidden meaning in this work that actually is supporting of the "institutions"?

I would have to say to the contrary, Waters has always been one who speaks out AGAINST the institutions....after all, this is EXACTLY what the Wall speaks to.....the manipulation (or attempts of) by the powers that be & the need & want to break away from all that...attempting to step out of the mold & be an individual. & of course much of his work (not so much Gilmour as far as solo stuff goes anyway) speaks to this....how about Radio KAOS...or even Amused to Death. Both solo albuns from Waters which also speak to this in part as well.

If I am reading you correctly here, I must say, I'm not so sure you have Waters properly pegged.....in fact I know you don't if this is how you understand his work & the message he tries to convey. Have you ever heard Waters in an interview? If so, you must agree that he is very much opposed to supression of the masses & works very hard towards the rights of individuals. After all, he was a product of the controlling British school system & this is where much of his muse comes from.

Very good stuff here though....when I have time I'd like to comeback & speak moreso to some of the other issues/points you've raised....some truly good stuff indeed...tyvm!!

& to think here I was just about ready to remove myself from this "group"....I say "group" b/c it seems there's really only a few here (at best) who post on a regular basis...speaking of which....was that your alias that got banned for a coupla weeks....was it Leonardo? Is that another one of your ally's? If so, you may know that I was not in favor of that....needless censorship.....typical over reaction by one who has a few issues...& sad to know that someone like this has the power to ban someone....a very sad statement of the parnoia that exists in our society.

Anyway....was just curious & thot I'd ask....& thx again for the very well written reply....much appreciation for your thots & views.

Cheers Mate!

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Give it a rest already BA....I din't reply to your last post b/c I aint gonna waste anymore time on you....u aint worth what lil time I do have to post on such a silly forum as this.

& quite frankly.....I wasn't even posting to you....so butt out already....u sure seem as if u r quite lonely & thus seek any attn at all...wether it be negative or positive.

So get over it already.....me, Leonardo & whatever silly lil issues u have that u can not resolve on your own....I'm sorry for all your insecurities but I dont have the time nor want to deal w/em. I aint your analyst...but perhaps that'd be a career w/good job security....note to self...lol

At any rate....pls, as stated b4......IGNORE ME & I'll do the same for you....trust me, u will be happier....unless of course u thrive off negative attn....& if that's the case....sorry, you wont be gettin any from me....as I already told ya...so pls......GO AWAY already. TYVM!!

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wow...guess I sure have been told.....wadda lost being you are....& for that, I am sorry for you.

& so that u r clear.....u will be ignored as being marginalized is even given you too much credit...so go ahead & reply to any comments of mine if it makes you feel any better.....wont change the facts....which are clear u have no comperehension of.....so go forth & continue to spew your hilarious spin....& censor the earth for all I care.....after all.....we need folks like you to protect us...LMAO!!!

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As a famous Nazi Propaganda agent once said "if we lead the people there will never be a question on who is in charge, nor will their be a question of what they believe to be the truth."
-cant remember who said this one, wish i did.

If roger waters isn't a part of the freemasons, then he is surely a product of mind control, how many artists rose to the top only to sell their soul? Well, maybe it was forcibly taken from them rather than given up.

Id like to quote another famous propaganda agent...
"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists."
-- J. Edgar Hoover

Mind you this was hoover, who was meeting with frank costello and esentially setting up the mob/US drug running. No joke's here, if you want to know exactly what the NWO is i suggest the poem

"hadda be playin on the jukebox"
-by Alan Ginsberg. Along with Jack Karouac(spelt wrong, cant figure it at the moment...), and William Burroughs these three political poets and writers esentially shaped the "beatnik" intellectual persona, and without them we never would have seen the 60's and 70's so active when it came to wartime policy.

These people fought for peace before the "counter-culture" became commercialized.

Now the counter-culture is exactly what they tell you it is on TV, ironic no?

But anyway, back to Roger waters, im sorry that i have to tell you the people you admire are not on your team, i didnt even want to believe it when i found out, i was and still am a huge Floyd fan, you can imagine that it is no easy task to understand that the major media icons of today's youth(IE the counter-culture) is just another Mickey Mouse Club mind control machine...

This is the problem with a country that has no chance against its own military/industrial complex. Especially when it owns the oil that runs the world.

There is another saying, "there is a thin line between entertainment and war", and to be true about it we are at war now... and there is nothing stopping our military... a few small groups of 9/11 "truthers" who really did nothing but follow the enemy into the enemies trap so that everyone else could conclude that fire can bring down steel buildings... so that they would see in Popular Mechanics the words that detail the "conspiracy theories" and enough dehumanization to play on the guilt of the readers heart(I E by being a conspiracy theororist and not believing the official reports you are desecrating the graves of the 2000 innocent people who died on 9/11, thus you are not human, thus any normal person does not need to give creedance to your opinion that the US did it all)

Just to note: Who owns PM? why a US military defence contractor, AKA the Hearst Corporation, which owns many a newspaper and magazine and who's top-ranking officials are bilderbergers and Bohemian Grove members...

Its all the same stuff thats been happening for ages, wars are only fought to keep the population from reaching a point that it could overthrow the powers that be... the powers that create the illusion of seperate entities and forces, all the while a part of the same grand scheme to keep the people under control.

Its a sick world out there, truly we have underestimated the ambition of human wickedness.

If you want more just look at Eminem's music vids, "white america" is a good one to start...

count how many times you see the red/white brainwashed stripes the kids wear these days, or the pyramid and eye that is right off the bat in the first 10 seconds...

Its all symbolism and propaganda, for the purpose of keeping the populace in a prison they cannot even see, a prison for the mind so that it cannot see truth, and cannot discern reality.

It is a known fact that within the first 5 minutes of watching television(that is the FIRST time you ever watch TV) the human brainwave patterns change from alpha to beta, and soon afterward(45 minutes) reaches full-on theta brainwave patterns(IE information is being absorbed without inner judgement). This means that your subconscious for the first time is absolutely open to have foreign ideas implanted within it, and it works so well most people NEVER understand that they were being jipped.

You can see that TV rots away any vestige of attention span that may have existed before its appearance, Nowadays the news has 3 tickers, a fast talking robot newscaster(watch the news in a language you dont understand, the speech pattern and rythm is the same, a strange oddity dont you think?) and plenty of randomly crappy CGI anims, all there to confuse and warp the perceptions of the viewer.

Its simply the roman games all over again, the gladiators who battle in the arena and die for the publics distraction, whislt the corrupt government runs amuck and conquers the world.

Nothing has changed because they have had us by the balls for hundreds of generations and more. It only takes 300 years of devoted service and "faith" in an idea to genetically program the human to accept what his forefathers did, and this was 6000 years ago!

Just look how easy it was in the fabulous time of peace known as "the dark ages" where inbetween disease, famine, rats, and modly bread there was a daily challenge in staying alive. Who happened to be in charge?
The Catholic Church, instituted by only those who could read and write, the roman royal bloodlines...

Exactly as the Egyptian pharoahs and kings made their way into the Roman heirarchy, and as the European royal lines came to possess america...

thats why we have the "eye of horus" on top of a pyramid on the back of the dollar bill, its the most root symbol of populace control that there is.

Like i always say, if you want to understand the Occult you need look no farther than the american government, these people have gotten real good at it.

Hope this helps, but truly watching the vids with the right eye is an amazing journey, watching any movie with the right eye can be quite the adventure.

This is because the person seeing the message for the first time runs into a strange quandry, the movie is also written FOR him/her. You see the "trinity" is a very real concept, the father, the mother, and the "holy ghost"

You are the holy ghost, that is the individual self is the holy ghost. You can see it in the first WALL E vid, where rogers says "is something eluding you sunshine, is this not what you expected to see?"

"if you wanna fight out whats behind these cold eyes, youl just have to claw your way through this disguise."

Hes talking to you. The person begining to understand that the world is not as it seems, it is as it is.

Alright thats enough for now, i hope you can see for yourself what i mean, Its a long, complicated story full of holes, history is. I find one massive problem however, and it is that there is no definite "begining" of human history, its like the human race randomly awoke to consciousness and began killing eachother without thought of consequence. We never sought a balance as every other being on this planet does(minus ants, which tempts me to believe we may have a common trait), to the contrary infact we have only ever seemed to want to destroy our own planet, and anyone can see that self-hatred drives the propaganda of today.

Jackass/bam margera is even glorifying it outright, whereas usually its there but hidden or given reason.

wow...guess I sure have been told.....wadda lost being you are....& for that, I am sorry for you.

& so that u r clear.....u will be ignored as being marginalized is even given you too much credit...so go ahead & reply to any comments of mine if it makes you feel any better.....wont change the facts....which are clear u have no comperehension of.....so go forth & continue to spew your hilarious spin....& censor the earth for all I care.....after all.....we need folks like you to protect us...LMAO!!!

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I'm new here, but I have been around the threads already, read my fair share of responses.

Most people who post here aren't even capable of coherent English, let alone have a rational thought process.

BA, has been somewhat holding this place together as the proverbial voice of reason. I might have lashed out at him for misunderstanding one of his posts, but as far as I can tell, he is intelligent enough to convey rational though in combination with coherently structured sentences. His vocabulary is also on a higher plane then the average poster, which infers that his IQ(or his "Intelligent Quotient") is higher than most.

In laymen terms, this simply means he is one of the "smarter" posters here. With that said, I think it's him that is actually worth spending time debating -- for reasons I don't have to explain.