SpockAug 15, 2013

junkmail5 - We all have a clear message to you: "You can only vote once legally now."

lessismoreAug 14, 2013

If the US Gov't can listen to my phone calls, read my emails, release my tax returns to the media, export guns to drug cartels in Mexico, then I believe a law requiring someone to prove who they are when they vote is not beyond the powers of government.

lessismoreAug 14, 2013

junkmail5.... if this is all to solve an imaginary problem, then what's the problem, because you say there is no problem. So, in actuality, this doesn't make any difference at all...just ensures the possibility to prevent future fraud in elections. As Obama would say....we must think ahead to solve the problems of the future.

Why wait until corruption runs into our elections process when you can prevent it from happening now...and into the future with something as simple as "prove that you are who you say you are".

junkmail5Aug 14, 2013

IBNOrmal

...uh... yeah... what does that have to do with anything?

All those women would not have a valid ID for purposes of voting under this new law, therefore it makes sense they were included in that 612,955 number.

Though even if you excluded all of em (why you would I don't see but if you did) you'd still have several hundred thousand left without ID but as registered voters.

All to solve an imaginary problem there's no evidence of, at cost of many millions of dollars to us taxpayers.

Not to mention all the OTHER terrible ideas in the law unrelated to ID.

IBnormalAug 14, 2013

junkmail5, did you actually read the State of Election report that is included in your accurate link below? Of the 612,955 adults 67% are women who may have changed their name due to marriage or divorce?"shows that almost 67% of the voters for whom the State Board of Elections could not determine that they have a DMV-issued identification are women. In our analysis, the State Board attempted to match on voters’ name and some other identification element(driver license, SSN or date of birth). If a name discrepancy exists between a person’s voter registration record and his or her DMV customer record, then it is possible that these individuals could be grouped with those voters for whom no DMV-issued ID could be matched. Women are more likely to change their last name based on marriage or divorce and if they have failed to update either their voterregistration information or driver license information with a name change, then this fact could account for the higher percentage of fem

robertbsmith1Aug 14, 2013

"I love the hypocrisy on display here. Republicans used every fraudulent trick in the book to win state elections in 2012, including voter fraud, fraudulent absentee ballots...."

They learned from the best, the dems!

junkmail5Aug 14, 2013

If those stats are true, then 1 in 11 registered voters in NC do not have an ID, which is alarming,(unbelievable). And, 82% of those who do not have an ID voted in recent elections, which, is even more alarming,(past belief)! Junkmail5, you make an excellent case for voter photo ID!IBnormal

the fact large numbers of NC voters get by just fine without ID is proof they need ID?

IBnormalAug 14, 2013

"So 612,955 adults in NC live in caves?

Because that's the actual number without such ID.

Of those by the way 506,763 have voted in recent elections."junkmail5

If those stats are true, then 1 in 11 registered voters in NC do not have an ID, which is alarming,(unbelievable). And, 82% of those who do not have an ID voted in recent elections, which, is even more alarming,(past belief)! Junkmail5, you make an excellent case for voter photo ID!

junkmail5Aug 14, 2013

If you don't have a photo ID you must be living in a cave.- NCKen

So 612,955 adults in NC live in caves?

Because that's the actual number without such ID.

Of those by the way 506,763 have voted in recent elections.

Versus the roughly 0 cases of actual fraud you can point to that disenfranchising those half-million real people will fix.

12345_hereAug 14, 2013

No photo ID= no welfare check, no alcohol sales, no food stamps, no vote! NCKen

Works for me.

Offshore

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Did either of you read the other 54 pages of the 57 page bill? What do you have to say for the widespread changes there. this wasn't a one issue bill. It allowed the Rich and Corporations to hijack elections and the representatives

ncvotingreferendumAug 13, 2013

You need to look at section 1 of the 24th amendment, it’s the part that says you can’t assess a poll tax on any citizen wishing to vote or deny them the right to vote for not paying any poll tax or other tax. I think the “other” tax could be likened to the $10 fee to acquire a state issued I.D. that you are requiring the citizens of your state to have in order to vote by signing this bill into your state legislation. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out the illegalities of your actions that you try to justify by saying you have a voter fraud problem. In 2012, there were 6,947,317 ballots cast in the general and two primary elections in the state of North Carolina. With nearly 7 million votes cast the state Board of Elections said there were only 121 “alleged” cases of voter fraud which means “alleged” voter fraud accounted for 0.00174 percent of total ballots cast in 2012. This doesn’t appear to be the problem you keep making it out to be.

OffshoreAug 13, 2013

No photo ID= no welfare check, no alcohol sales, no food stamps, no vote!NCKen

Works for me.

NCKenAug 13, 2013

If you are too stupid to get a photo ID you are too stupid to vote. If you don't have a photo ID you must be living in a cave. This is all a big joke perpetuated by the Democrats who count on illegal votes to get elected. I see that the NAACP is against this. What can't black people get photo IDs? What's the problem there? Every state needs to enact this. With the millions of illegal aliens that Obama is letting in to vote for the Democratic Party candidates, we need to protect the sanctity of each and every vote. No photo ID= no welfare check, no alcohol sales, no food stamps, no vote!

dmarion2Aug 13, 2013

The biggest problems in politics have nothing to do with the "integrity" of the voters or anything else to do with elections in particular. The biggest problems in politics have much more to do with the "integrity" of the politicians who get elected - or the lack thereof!

downtownerAug 13, 2013

I love the hypocrisy on display here. Republicans used every fraudulent trick in the book to win state elections in 2012, including voter fraud, fraudulent absentee ballots for neighbors, voting for dead people, voting for their dead dogs, felons voting, and bussing in southern evangelicals from church. Not to mention throwing out democratic voter applications and intimidating people at the polls. Now that the Republicans have power they want to outlaw all the fraud that they used last election to win. How hypocritical. Well I guess even the law wont stop a good conservative sheep from trying to cheat now will it. I'll cya at the Republican precincts next election so I can challenge your constitutional right to vote simply because I can. I can legally do that now thanks to this new law. Thanks!!!

marsupial75Aug 13, 2013

Because there isn't any documented evidence produced here of widespread voter fraud within the state, let's think about the logic of it: If there is in fact widespread voter fraud occurring among Democrats, then why are there so few elected Democrats on the state level now? In the last election, NC went to Romney, McCrory won by a landslide, and Republicans swept both houses of the GA. I'm not accusing Republicans of cheating, but you would think that if Democrats were cheating, we would expect more of them to be winning elections in the state.

sammy750Aug 13, 2013

This new voters ID law is the Republican RAPE of the people.

12345_hereAug 13, 2013

It is so nice to see the "Supporters" of the bill doing nothing but insulting those that find issues with having Constitutional rights taken away.

GOPtakersSocietyAug 13, 2013

This hurts republicans more than democrats. Those long lines are going to hurt people that have to get back to their jobs. People without jobs will be the ones that can hang around long enough to vote.

PackFanForLife

hmmmm I work, I vote and I'm not a GOP voter....wow I must be like a unicorn....rare, unseen Mythical voter.....

GOPtakersSocietyAug 13, 2013

I assure you, the numbers will be MUCH HIGHER. GOOD LUCK REPUBLICANS!!!

InnocentBystander22

make sure they vote in the mid-terms as well in 2014, that's what got them to control the house!!!!!

GOPtakersSocietyAug 13, 2013

I don't have any sympathy for the whiners. Most of my life I only had ONE day to vote. We still have a lot of days set aside , too many really.

Danny22

aw, poor Danny22 I can only surmise that the 22 denotes your age, so.... you been "Most of your life" so....4 years wow the horror

Danny22Aug 13, 2013

I don't have any sympathy for the whiners. Most of my life I only had ONE day to vote. We still have a lot of days set aside , too many really.

Danny22Aug 13, 2013

I will be glad that you can't register and vote on the same day. Verifications cannot be done on election day. The Voter lines shouldn't be held up while slackers catch up.

dontstopnowAug 13, 2013

What would you people who complain about these changes do if you actually had to forage for food and kill your own meat to eat. Guess you would starve because going to the polls with an ID to vote and voting in a whole week makes you have an "I CAN"T do it" attitude. What a bunch of lazy people you have become.

monamiAug 13, 2013

"This bill is about more than an ID but of course that is the the excuse McCrory and others who did not read it uses to defend it."

Exactly. But look how many people rationalize this bold voter supression act by saying "it's just about requiring an ID!" Do they really believe that or have they not read the details?

It's shameful and flat-out dirty, as it much of the legislation churned out (it was ready-to-go, thanks to ALEC) this session.

deborah59Aug 13, 2013

If you have to show an I D to cash a check, buy liquor, board an airplane, rent a video, check out a library book, shouldn't you be required to show an I D to vote for the people who are in charge of running the State & Federal Government ?

free2bmeAug 13, 2013

This bill is about more than an ID but of course that is the the excuse McCrory and others who did not read it uses to defend it. This bill is too drastic/restrictive, like everything else the NC Republican GA has done. they are hiding questionable laws behind the big name of something that is not too bad. Just more of the deceptive practices we have seen from them this 7 months and more reason to vote them out.

12345_hereAug 13, 2013

"Geez people. What is wrong with showing some kind of ID to vote? Got something to hide perhaps? Oh! I guess all those democratic men of god can just forget that whole separation of church and state thing!!!!--TurboProp

I am guessing that you did not actually read the full bill above. If we have Photo ID's why should same day registration be ended? If we are worried about getting people to vote, why are we ending voter registration days, while giving Dark corporations and Rich people more opportunity to hide money behind candidates without disclosure?

Why are we making absentee balloting so hard for relatives ,especially the elderly, that cannot stand in poll lines due to weakness or deformity?

this bill is all about Malevolence to the principles established in the United States Constitution.

pappybigtuna1Aug 13, 2013

Go ahead and patronize the law breakers, all of you are aware of the bus loads of people voting multiply times.

If you vote in a crook you get a crook, this is what you can expect.

Glad to see the change - becomes a level playing field. Fear that seems to be spewing from the "No ID" people

bowens44Aug 13, 2013

"This hurts republicans more than democrats. Those long lines are going to hurt people that have to get back to their jobs. People without jobs will be the ones that can hang around long enough to vote."

It's this kind of ignorance that makes conservatives look so foolish

426X3Aug 13, 2013

Geez people. What is wrong with showing some kind of ID to vote? Got something to hide perhaps? Oh! I guess all those democratic men of god can just forget that whole separation of church and state thing!!!!

InnocentBystander22Aug 13, 2013

So I guess now with all these "fair" election changes in nc, republicans will have even less of an excuse or whine and moan when clinton wins nc hands down in 2016. It will be funny to see the faces of all the republicans who think this law will stop or hurt the minority vote, truthfully this will inspire EVEN MORE minorities to vote. Every sunday minority church pastors across the state are advising their members on the new election laws, don't believe me, just wait in see in three years how many minorities voted in 2016 compared to 2012. I assurr you, the numbers will be MUCH HIGHER. GOOD LUCK REPUBLICANS!!!

floydthebarberAug 13, 2013

There isn't a single thing in this whole article that will ensure better voting integrity (except maybe the paper ballots provision which is reasonable). All these laws are designed to do is put up roadblock after roadblock to normal, law-abiding citizens.

If signing an absentee ballot is good enough to count then so should signing a paper ballot in person at one's precinct. ID's are an indirect poll tax (time, money, effort required to obtain) and I'm happy the ACLU and NAACP are taking legal action.

TruthBKnown Banned Again03Aug 13, 2013

This hurts republicans more than democrats. Those long lines are going to hurt people that have to get back to their jobs. People without jobs will be the ones that can hang around long enough to vote.

bowens44Aug 13, 2013

"You have over a year and 8 (EIGHT) different options of ID you can use! Are you kidding me? Are you really going to fight this?"

voter ID is a very small and probably least significant part of this attack on the rights of the citizens of North Carolina. This law will be struck in it's entirety before the 2014 election

HockeyPlayerXAug 13, 2013

" I can not wait to vote these people out to get some decency returned to the great state of NC." ... I have seen what you people call "decency"...outrageous taxes, advocating for the rights of criminals over victims, racism, forcing people out of jobs in order to promote your special interest causes, and more importantly, murdering babies indiscriminately for convenience. You can keep it. And good luck on voting them out, for every one of you, there are about about 1.6 of us, statistically speaking.

42_wral_mods_suck_i'm_goneAug 13, 2013

Be sure to thank the GOP for that LOOONG wait in line on election day.

HockeyPlayerXAug 13, 2013

"This bill will never become reality. " ?? Are you suggesting that this bill is imaginary? I can assure you, it is not. In fact, it has been signed into law. You might want to catch up on the news ...

free2bmeAug 13, 2013

hockey player and no freebies--whine, whine, whine all you want to. This bill will never become reality. The sad part is I just hope it does not bankrupt this state defending it. I can not wait to vote these people out to get some decency returned to the great state of NC.

tonygrfoAug 13, 2013

AMEN and AMEN, HockeyPlayerX!!!!

HockeyPlayerXAug 13, 2013

" It just shows you how lame the arguments are. Just get a photo and get out of the stone age." ... but, aren't they supposed to be the "progressive" ones?

HockeyPlayerXAug 13, 2013

"Is it just me or do Republicans don't care about anyone who happens to be poor, elderly, disabled, gay/lesbians or even minorities for that matter?" ... Nope, it is just you. We care about them, in as much as we care about anyone else. We just don't see why any of those people should receive special treatment, or why they should be absolved of their responsibilities as individuals. And we certain don't believe that they, or anyone else, should be allowed to commit voter fraud.

TruthBKnown Banned Again03Aug 13, 2013

"Your ignorance is showing, it has already been ruled constitutional by the Supreme Court."

Bingo.

TruthBKnown Banned Again03Aug 13, 2013

"Is it just me or do Republicans don't care about anyone who happens to be poor, elderly, disabled, gay/lesbians or even minorities for that matter?"

It's just you. You drank the democrat/liberal koolaid. Period.

The YodaAug 13, 2013

Unless it's free for -everyone- it's a direct violation of the US Constitution. That's just one of the items that'll cause it to get thrown out by the courts. whi9nes junkmail5

Your ignorance is showing, it has already been ruled constitutional by the Supreme Court.

junkmail5Aug 13, 2013

Sorry but everyone one I know between the age of 18 and 80 have valid ID

Buying sudafed isn't a constitutional right, so I can't understand why people think mentioning an ID requirement for that has ANYTHING to do with voting.

Plus, it's even FREE for some.PackFanForLife

Unless it's free for -everyone- it's a direct violation of the US Constitution. That's just one of the items that'll cause it to get thrown out by the courts.

PanthersFan45Aug 13, 2013

"Otherwise, most voters only have to state their name and address when they come to the polls to vote in person."

Which is how it has always been at my voting precinct. You don't even need your voter ID card (current paper one). Just say your name and they ask for your address. Even during a presidential election typically between 50-60% actually show up to vote. Records change constantly, people move, become deceased, change marital status, etc ....... a Photo ID just makes things more modern and easier to track. Cost is less than a cup of coffee, hardly a money problem to upgrade. The arguments against it are hilarious ..... if only those same people fought like this with drivers licenses when Photo's became the norm. It just shows you how lame the arguments are. Just get a photo and get out of the stone age.

wildlifeAug 13, 2013

It's a new day... change is here,cry and whine all you want. The new high Governer will get what he wants weather the Libs like it or not,let them take it to court it just proves how uneducated and ignorant they really are.Wake up I think the sun is finally rising. Thank you Governor.

notexactlyAug 13, 2013

Free2beYou are the puppet, if you think the dems have not wasted billions. all you complainers blame the GOP for what the dems have done over a century. Why cant you guys just own it. Just want to complain and blame.

Can't_Be_BannedAug 13, 2013

You have over a year and 8 (EIGHT) different options of ID you can use! Are you kidding me? Are you really going to fight this? If you cant procure one of those 8 different forms in over a year you really dont want to vote that bad. No excuses. Take charge of yourselves for once and do it instead of waiting for someone else to do it for you. Never underestimate the power of learned helplessness