WWI Digest 1135
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) rot- wasRe: Nieuport "Outlines"
by KarrArt@aol.com
2) Re: Boom Blues
by "Charles Duckworth"
3) RE: rot- wasRe: Nieuport "Outlines"
by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador"
4) The mad scanner strikes again ALB C.III
by Mike Dicianna
5) Re: The mad scanner strikes again ALB C.III
by KarrArt@aol.com
6) Re: Backhausen Update + dark rib tapes
by REwing@aol.com
7) RE: Backhausen Update + dark rib tapes
by "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador"
8) RE: Backhausen Update + dark rib tapes
by Shane Weier
9) RE: Nieuport "Outlines"
by bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer)
10) Fishing for Roland (C.II) drawings
by mgoodwin@ricochet.net
11) Re: Roland C.II Walfisch
by mgoodwin@ricochet.net
12) another profile....
by Joey Valenciano
13) announcing...
by Ernest Thomas
14) Re: Backhausen Update + dark rib tapes
by mbittner@juno.com
15) Toko Nieuport 11 Decals
by mbittner@juno.com
16) Re: announcing...
by mbittner@juno.com
17) Fw: FS WINDSOCK DATAFILES
by "The Bittners"
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:19:53 EDT
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: rot- wasRe: Nieuport "Outlines"
Message-ID: <2384f626.35bfd84a@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-07-29 21:13:19 EDT, you write:
<< radiative heating would be
due to the absorption of photons at all wavelengths and by far the vast
majority of solar photons are in the longer wavelengths. properties in the
visible portion of the spectrum (low reflectivity, since it looks black
becuase it doesn't reflect any colors) can differ substantially in the UV
or intrared (IR) portions of the spectrum. example: sodium metal is
opaque in the visible and transparent in the UV. lesson: don't give
anybody a sodium umbrella--they get sunburned when sunny and just burned
when it rains.
an interesting experiment you suggest--let the list know the results if you
try it... >>
I was musing one day about rotting fabric. What triggered this was that I
noticed that in cheap, printed American flags, the area where the red stripes
are will completely rot away. In this particular case, it may be a chemical
reaction to the dye itself- maybe said rot would occur even in darkness, but
it started me thinking about deterioration in general.( hmm..... I wonder if
lozenge material would selectively rot according to what color individual
blocks happened to be)
Well, anyway, as a painter, UV is my great enemy and I like the idea of a
sodium umbrella!
Robert K.
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:36:20 -0500
From: "Charles Duckworth"
To:
Subject: Re: Boom Blues
Message-ID: <199807300233.VAA29390@mail.primary.net>
Alberto and Steve
Thanks will let you know how it your recommendations come out.
Charlie
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 21:48:01 -0500
From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador"
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'"
Subject: RE: rot- wasRe: Nieuport "Outlines"
Message-ID: <01BDBB3A.903C2540.panz-meador@vsti.com>
yeah, i think red dyes are pretty unstable relative to other colors. easy
to understand why--they reflect the low-energy part of the spectrum (red)
and absorb every other part of the solar spectrum. conversely, by this
reasoning, blue dyes would be pretty stable, since they reflect the blue
(and probably purple/UV) part of the spectrum and only absorb the
lower-energy red-orange-yellow photons.
phillip
-----Original Message-----
From: KarrArt@aol.com [SMTP:KarrArt@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 1998 9:32 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: rot- wasRe: Nieuport "Outlines"
In a message dated 98-07-29 21:13:19 EDT, you write:
<< radiative heating would be
due to the absorption of photons at all wavelengths and by far the vast
majority of solar photons are in the longer wavelengths. properties in
the
visible portion of the spectrum (low reflectivity, since it looks black
becuase it doesn't reflect any colors) can differ substantially in the UV
or intrared (IR) portions of the spectrum. example: sodium metal is
opaque in the visible and transparent in the UV. lesson: don't give
anybody a sodium umbrella--they get sunburned when sunny and just burned
when it rains.
an interesting experiment you suggest--let the list know the results if
you
try it... >>
I was musing one day about rotting fabric. What triggered this was that I
noticed that in cheap, printed American flags, the area where the red
stripes
are will completely rot away. In this particular case, it may be a chemical
reaction to the dye itself- maybe said rot would occur even in darkness,
but
it started me thinking about deterioration in general.( hmm..... I wonder
if
lozenge material would selectively rot according to what color individual
blocks happened to be)
Well, anyway, as a painter, UV is my great enemy and I like the idea of a
sodium umbrella!
Robert K.
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 20:07:41 +0000
From: Mike Dicianna
To: wwi
Subject: The mad scanner strikes again ALB C.III
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980729200741.006a6ffc@proaxis.com>
http://www.proaxis.com/~dicianna/albatrosciiinose2
http://www.proaxis.com/~dicianna/albatrosciiinose1
Picked up the 4 issues of Over the Front (1993). Major article on the
Albatros C.III in Volume 8, Number 1. Found some great shots of the nose
details of this aircraft. Figures, I already built mine before getting
this research material.
My gift to all of you. Files are kind of big. Download and enjoy.
I will leave them on my webspace for a couple of weeks or so.
Mikedc
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:20:25 EDT
From: KarrArt@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: The mad scanner strikes again ALB C.III
Message-ID: <60d9c49b.35bfe67a@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-07-29 23:10:24 EDT, you write:
<< http://www.proaxis.com/~dicianna/albatrosciiinose1 >>
Neat shots! I can smell the wood grain!Thanks
Robert K.
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 23:23:02 EDT
From: REwing@aol.com
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Backhausen Update + dark rib tapes
Message-ID: <98346f76.35bfe717@aol.com>
<< p.s. the pfalz E series, when in CDL, also featured these tapes on the
corners of the fuselage as well as chordwise on the wings. a very
attractive scheme... >>
Didn't the Pfalz E planes have a dark (black?) colored cord running along
the wing ribs? I seem to remember seeing a photo of an E.III with little
ridges on it. Did the French also use the cord technique?
TIA,
-Rick-
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:40:42 -0500
From: "Dr. Phillip Anz-Meador"
To: "'wwi@pease1.sr.unh.edu'"
Subject: RE: Backhausen Update + dark rib tapes
Message-ID: <01BDBB41.EC57FE60.panz-meador@vsti.com>
-----Original Message-----
From: REwing@aol.com [SMTP:REwing@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 1998 10:28 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Re: Backhausen Update + dark rib tapes
<< p.s. the pfalz E series, when in CDL, also featured these tapes on the
corners of the fuselage as well as chordwise on the wings. a very
attractive scheme... >>
Didn't the Pfalz E planes have a dark (black?) colored cord running along
the wing ribs? I seem to remember seeing a photo of an E.III with little
ridges on it.
[panz-meador] yup
Did the French also use the cord technique?
[panz-meador] don't think so (?)--francophiles out there?
TIA,
-Rick-
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 14:03:17 +1000
From: Shane Weier
To: wwi
Subject: RE: Backhausen Update + dark rib tapes
Message-ID: <199807300419.OAA06720@mimmon.mim.com.au>
Rick asks:
> Didn't the Pfalz E planes have a dark (black?) colored cord
running along
>the wing ribs? I seem to remember seeing a photo of an E.III with
little
>ridges on it. Did the French also use the cord technique?
I don't think it was a cord. Many early airplanes had narrow battens of
wood tacked along the *outside* of the fabric to hold it to the ribs
rather than stitching and taping. This certainly applies to some of the
early M-S monoplanes, some Farmans and so on. The wood strip was
painted black - hence the black lines at the rib positions
Shane
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:06:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: bshatzer@orednet.org (Bill Shatzer)
To: wwi
Subject: RE: Nieuport "Outlines"
Message-ID: <199807300506.WAA25059@ednet1.orednet.org>
Shane writes:
>Mike,
>
>>Dark colour was used because it offered greater protection from uv.
>>Why they ignored the ribs is anybodies guess...I suspect there was less
>>stress on the fabric there.
>Okay, that makes some sense at least. And the technique was maybe
>discarded because the planes usually got busted before the fabric
>failed. Only, it seems odd to protect the longerons and wing edges
>against UV and not the ribs, when it is virtually mandatory to tape the
>ribs and unusual to tape the longerons at all.
>A mystery
And, the mystery deepens when one considers the light-colored
(aluminum?) outlined wing edges evident on many of the
camouflaged Nieuport 17s.
Still, the aluminum dope was purported to provide excellent
protection of the fabric against sunlight deterioration so
perhaps the same principle was at work here.
Cheers and all,
--
Bill Shatzer - bshatzer@orednet.org
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:31:27 -0700
From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net
To: wwi
Subject: Fishing for Roland (C.II) drawings
Message-ID: <35C0052F.7B9D@ricochet.net>
Who would like to qualify for the next Good Joe award by sending me a
scan of up-to-date C.II drawings, or loaning me a datafile? I've decided
to do my penance for a recent off-topic project by torturing myself with
a Merlin Walfisch. Also, if there are optional exhaust manifolds in the
Blue Max kit, I'm offering a couple bucks for any spares/leftovers.
Solicitously,
Riordan
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Date: Wed, 29 Jul 1998 22:59:38 -0700
From: mgoodwin@ricochet.net
To: wwi
Subject: Re: Roland C.II Walfisch
Message-ID: <35C00BCA.607C@ricochet.net>
Martin Soilleux-Cardwell wrote:
> All this talk of colour schemes is all very interesting but does anyone know
> about armament and dates of service - my original question?
Linke-Hoffman built aircraft - designated C.IIa- featured relocated wing
struts, a wooden strip on the trailing edge of the wings instead of wire
alternate exhaust manifold, a forward firing machine gun (necessitating
a redesigned crash pylon), and bomb racks for 4 12.5kg bombs. It first
appeared at the Front in August of 1916 and was beginning to be
withdrawn by November of that year, after which time it was used in
training squadrons.
(From Profile #249)
Riordan
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Date: Thu, 30 Jul 1998 13:06:03 +0800
From: Joey Valenciano
To: wwi
Subject: another profile....
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980730130603.00b4cf18@philonline.com.ph>
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I'm checking out those scans of yours right now.
Did you get the 2 Fokker D.III profiles I sent?
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