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So I picked up my 192 today along with some Pocky and a Pepsi, and went through it (but there was a heck of a lot of kanji, so expect some parts to be off). It starts with a really nice full color page picture with it saying vol.22 12/19, I hope this is the cover as it is basically a picture of all of Griffiths new crew with him in the middle, everyone else is colored brown/tanish with Griffith being all white. Very nice indeed. The chapter starts of with the battlefield that the last one left off, you get retarted looking general #43, signaling his troops that if they don't want to die, they need to attack. Then they go and fight a bunch of kinghts with the kid from last chapter (muresama) and his band of fighters on the knights side. The kid kills one of the other side's fighters and the fighters mask falls off and the kid is shocked that it's not a Cushaan, but a Midland person. The battle then ensues for a few more pages and Mulesama and his group are about to get killed by 4 guys on horses, and then suddenly 4 arrows takes all their heads off, and he looks back and sees in the distance a bunch of archers (including one with a demon-bow that shoots 4 arrows at a time, don't know if he'll be a main Griffith-guy or not). After taking off some more heads with his arrows, the whole army looks back to see, a 2page spread of the main knights of griffiths army including some freaky looking helmet designs. They then pursue to rush down the hill with Zodd in the lead, slaughtering tons of people for a couple of pages. And yes, from the looks of it, the army is made of up all of demons (the crazy dog demons, with swords horizontally in their mouth that runs around cutting the feet off everything are scary-looking). After the slaughter the retarded looking general #43 and is even less intelligent side-general look up to see the knight army (which I'm guessing is Midland, being led by Griffith, Mulesama says "that is...", cut to a 1 page picture of Griffiths face behind the mask, and then another add for vol.22.

One thing I got confused about this is, is the mulesama kid and his posse part of the midland army? Or are they a 3rd group involved in the battle who are helping the Midland army?Also less of a question and just an observation, it's strange how the demon army appears and is led by Zodd, but when Griffith appears he is leading the human army of Midland. Does this go back to the Hawk of light foreseeing from waay back?

Just as Guts says to Zodd in the DC game, "planning on raising an army of monsters!"....very cool!!

It would really surprise me too see if Griffith will risk being known as the leader of monsters, because he would not seem so enlightening as the heralded "Hawk of Light". But then again...he IS after his dream and he won't give a shit what others think as long as he gets what he wants and using any means possible to boot.

Actually that's kind of why I think he was shown leading the humans, instead of charging with Zodd and the monsters. This way, people can still see him as the "Hawk of Light" and he can have his evil demon posse do all the underhand work behind the scenes.

So Zodd is like Guts was before, leading the "Neo-Raiding Team" type folks...

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We often went to the cinema, the screen would light up and we would tremble, but also, increasingly often, Madeleine and I were disappointed. The images had dated, they jittered, and Marilyn Monroe had gotten terribly old. We were sad, this wasn't the film we had dreamed of, this wasn't the total film that we all carried around inside us, this film that we would have wanted to make, or, more secretly, no doubt, that we would have wanted to live.

So I picked up my 192 today along with some Pocky and a Pepsi, and went through it (but there was a heck of a lot of kanji, so expect some parts to be off). It starts with a really nice full color page picture with it saying vol.22 12/19, I hope this is the cover as it is basically a picture of all of Griffiths new crew with him in the middle, everyone else is colored brown/tanish with Griffith being all white. Very nice indeed. The chapter starts of with the battlefield that the last one left off, you get retarted looking general #43, signaling his troops that if they don't want to die, they need to attack. Then they go and fight a bunch of kinghts with the kid from last chapter (muresama) and his band of fighters on the knights side. The kid kills one of the other side's fighters and the fighters mask falls off and the kid is shocked that it's not a Cushaan, but a Midland person. The battle then ensues for a few more pages and Mulesama and his group are about to get killed by 4 guys on horses, and then suddenly 4 arrows takes all their heads off, and he looks back and sees in the distance a bunch of archers (including one with a demon-bow that shoots 4 arrows at a time, don't know if he'll be a main Griffith-guy or not). After taking off some more heads with his arrows, the whole army looks back to see, a 2page spread of the main knights of griffiths army including some freaky looking helmet designs. They then pursue to rush down the hill with Zodd in the lead, slaughtering tons of people for a couple of pages. And yes, from the looks of it, the army is made of up all of demons (the crazy dog demons, with swords horizontally in their mouth that runs around cutting the feet off everything are scary-looking). After the slaughter the retarded looking general #43 and is even less intelligent side-general look up to see the knight army (which I'm guessing is Midland, being led by Griffith, Mulesama says "that is...", cut to a 1 page picture of Griffiths face behind the mask, and then another add for vol.22.

One thing I got confused about this is, is the mulesama kid and his posse part of the midland army? Or are they a 3rd group involved in the battle who are helping the Midland army?Also less of a question and just an observation, it's strange how the demon army appears and is led by Zodd, but when Griffith appears he is leading the human army of Midland. Does this go back to the Hawk of light foreseeing from waay back?

--bebpo

Thanks for your post! Still don't know what to make of all this but thanks!!

that's all I can say.Chapter 192 is the essnetial scene of berserk.It's a little bit boresome to me that there's been no fighting in the manga for a few chapters even though they are important.192 reminds me of the Hawks as many guys said.Well, it's likethe Hawks + devil things(or apostles) + no Guts?but two men lost many good things like love and friendship.Griffith is with only dream and Guts with only grudge.So sad~

Okay, I had written probably about a 3000 word reply before I left for dinner, only to come home having found my sister close the window that I was typing everything, but it's for the better so I can sum it up in a readable reply.

1) Watching the anime over after I bought that DVD boxset, I noticed a few things I didn't remember from the first time. Guts doesnt want to be in the Hawks at first, later admires Griffith for saving him and being so thoughtful of his teammates, but later finds himself hating Griffith for seeing that it wasn't care for his team as it was more making sure his dream comes true. Three scenes struck me in the first half of the eps: Zodd's first fight, foretelling Guts' death if he stays with Griffith; Griffith telling Charolette the Hawks aren't his friends, just people helping his dream and that the only friend he could have is one that is his equal; and lastly, Guts killing the prince-to-be and realizing that Griffith wasn't as pure as he thought.

2) The new Hawks I don't understand. The scene where Guts imagines Zodd having killed the boy parallels that Guts is the Zodd type character. They are both monsters that will take anyone down. They both have a dream: Zodd wants to find the greatest fighter on Earth and, I think, Guts' dream is to love and protect Casca. Think about it... right after he realizes Griffith is a sham, him and Casca become romantically involved. At anyrate, you think it's possible Guts becomes a Zodd type character, like his hatred for Griffith and want to destroy would let him take a Beherit and become an apostle so that he can destroy Griffith and Godhand? I thought at first this sounds outrageous, but like Griffith said, you have to do whatever is necessary to reach your dream. So then it comes full circle... Griffith and Zodd vs. Skully and Guts. So then they keep fighting until it happens again and we get two other heroes. Maybe not, hopefully Miura will try to sum it up sometime in the future.

3) I have no clue where anything is heading. That was my new theory after rethinking everything that's gone on lately. In my mind, this had to do with earlier posts in this section, but it doesn't seem to now, but oh well, tell me what you think about my idea.