So now are we throwing out the best start in order to make someone look bad---Dempster may not end the season with an under 4 ERA but he will probably keep the Sox in most of his starts. I find it pretty refreshing to hear him talk like an ordinary guy--not too high and definitely not low. He's been around the block and he knows how to pitch.

Hopefully Aceves has another decent game tonight---don't you Softy and Bill?

Softy-I'm sorry money seems to be your hang-up; life would be so much fun if you didn't worry about something you have no control over and you're not writing the checks anyway.

I'm not jealous of people who have less money than I have and play a "blue collar" sport.

I've noted that you state Dumpster "will have an ERA under 4.5". I find that dubious, at best.

I find it ultra creepy you have a BDC note book(especially the way you move goal post. You don't make 8 figures as a lawyer in a poor state like NC. If you make 6 you should pay your self on the back. But it is okay you're jealous, just stop with the class warfare speil.

$33M for 3 years was way too much for me, but here's another Dumpster Derby guy:

Lohse: ERA 2.08 IP 13.0 H 11 BB o K 7

How about this guy I mentioned had we traded Doubront or not signed Dempster?

Paul Maholm: ERA 0.00 (3-0) IP20.1 H 11 5 K 20

or a 6th starter I mentioned...

J Saunders: ERA 2.08 IP 17.1 H 16 BB 7 K 10

or the 1 big named FA I said I'd be OK with signing?

A Sanchez ERA 1.42 IP 19 H 10 BB 8 K 21

Interesting take, Moon.

You didn't find it necessary to denegrate Dempster - or entire social strata - as the facile one did. You didn't necessarily agree with the OP, but you made your point based on the very issue that the OP made. The facts of other players ... that's it. Sure, you may have mentioned there were choices you had thought of, but you didn't need to tear apart the guy to make your point.

$33M for 3 years was way too much for me, but here's another Dumpster Derby guy:

Lohse: ERA 2.08 IP 13.0 H 11 BB o K 7

How about this guy I mentioned had we traded Doubront or not signed Dempster?

Paul Maholm: ERA 0.00 (3-0) IP20.1 H 11 5 K 20

or a 6th starter I mentioned...

J Saunders: ERA 2.08 IP 17.1 H 16 BB 7 K 10

or the 1 big named FA I said I'd be OK with signing?

A Sanchez ERA 1.42 IP 19 H 10 BB 8 K 21

Interesting take, Moon.

You didn't find it necessary to denegrate Dempster - or entire social strata - as the facile one did. You didn't necessarily agree with the OP, but you made your point based on the very issue that the OP made. The facts of other players ... that's it. Sure, you may have mentioned there were choices you had thought of, but you didn't need to tear apart the guy to make your point.

I have nothing against Dempster, but I did have serious doubts and was against his signing. I am hoping I was very wrong. It wouldn't be the first time.

BTW, I was not for signing Lohse, even at a fraction of his $33M deal.

I was not for Sanchez either, but did say that if we were going to spend all this money, I'd have rather signed a very helpful player like Sanchez for 5 years than 3-4 guys for 1-3 years (Victorino, Dempster, Drew and Ortiz). So far, the first do have done very well as has Sanchez, but the final results of those signing and my suggested ideas are a long way away.

i like dempster he wasnt signed to be the ace, just solidify the rotation...i want to see Lee traded for...then we will be in serious contention....right now were treading water while our veteran players start their yearly breakdown (ironic that 34 yr old Lee is always pitching 200+ innings and clay cant seem to ever...)

I don't think we'll see Dempster, Lackey or Buch traded but I think there's a strong possibility Lester and Doubrount will be moved.

Gallarado for the Brewers could be a possible target. I realize he had a DUI situation--perhaps a change of venue might benefit both Lester and Gallarado. Similar contract to Lesters.

I could also see Doubrount going to the Twins as part of a deal for closer Glenn Perkins. That would have to include some other good prospects.

I think Bailey is an ideal set-up guy and they need to use him frequently. I would look to have Taz, Ue and Miller go for the closer role or split it. Those three guys have strengths Bailey doesn't have. Factor in all three don't have to pitch every day--Bailey has to pitch often to stay sharp.