And SG's that can score are a league wide problem right now. I sit and take MKG because I think long term he will be a very good fit, but acknowledge that in the short term with a useless PF and Andy the team would really only be scoring in transition.

If the Bobcats really want Thkmas Robinson, and the Cavs really want to trade up, then this should be an easy trade to pull the trigger on for Charlotte. They can pick up a pick and still get their guy at 4. It would be a win-win for both teams in my opinion. It would suck losing 24, but maybe we can package a veteran or two with 4 and keep 24. However that's probably just wishful thinking.

No big deal for Barnes. For scoring efficiency, he's only ranked behind the guy that everyone says can't do anything offensively. If they end up taking Barnes over either MKG or Beal, someone go back in time and just fucking kill me right now.

No big deal for Barnes. For scoring efficiency, he's only ranked behind the guy that everyone says can't do anything offensively. If they end up taking Barnes over either MKG or Beal, someone go back in time and just fucking kill me right now.

Maybe they are not trading up for Beal and considering trading back for Ross? Where should he be going? One of Portland's spots?

No big deal for Barnes. For scoring efficiency, he's only ranked behind the guy that everyone says can't do anything offensively. If they end up taking Barnes over either MKG or Beal, someone go back in time and just fucking kill me right now.

Maybe they are not trading up for Beal and considering trading back for Ross? Where should he be going? One of Portland's spots?

He's usually in the 10-15 range. Ford has him at 12 (Bucks) in the latest mock. I hope they aren't trading back but nothing would surprise me.

pup wrote:Maybe they are not trading up for Beal and considering trading back for Ross? Where should he be going? One of Portland's spots?

If they trade back at all then they should be drawn and quartered. They appear to be lucking out and have a good chance at 1 of 3 guys in this draft who have the possibility of being impact players in the league at positions where they have nothing.

This is not MLB or the NFL. You do not win by accumulating midrange talent.

pup wrote:Maybe they are not trading up for Beal and considering trading back for Ross? Where should he be going? One of Portland's spots?

If they trade back at all then they should be drawn and quartered. They appear to be lucking out and have a good chance at 1 of 3 guys in this draft who have the possibility of being impact players in the league at positions where they have nothing.

This is not MLB or the NFL. You do not win by accumulating midrange talent.

Also worth noting, the Bobcats are demanding Tyrus Thomas be included in any deal for #2 (3yrs at 26 million). Watching Tristan Thompson and Tyrus Thomas play on the same team could cause some sort of vortext that ends basketball as we know it.

I think if the Cavs trade down with MKG on the board or an easy swap with Charlotte for the #2 available, I may just give up on this franchise. It's one thing to screw the pooch on the late lottery/mid first round selections, it's quite another when you've got 3 picks in the top 4, two years running, and manage to fuck up 2/3 of them.

Barnes would have me ledging, but i'd still watch through splayed fingers. Anything less than that and i'm out.

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One of the major problems with dropping from 24 into the teens is that the new CBA/luxury tax still doesn't kick in until 2014. Due to the increased punitive damages teams are very likely willing to eat big salary for two more years (see the Wizards trade), knowing that they still have that window to pay the tax without any punitive penalties and they can makesure they have financial flexibility when the penalties are in place in 2014. IMO, 1 and 2 year bad deals are more valuable to hold onto now than ever before unless you are helping out a team chasing a FA (Dallas trying to trade Odom to the Clippers w/ Mo Gotti ending up a Laker style) or a team paying a shit ton of tax already (see The Lakers dumping Sad Odom last year).

Gradysmanldy wrote:Even Sacramento isn't dumb enough to pass on MKG.....right? That's a special brand of retard reserved for us?

I remember MKG being in a gaggle of kids who didn't work out with the Kings. And, well, its the Kings. How could they not give the world the spectacle of Jimmer and Barnes or Austin Rivers on the wings?

Mostly though I'm just speculating. The draft can go ninety different ways after the Hornets make it official, hell if know how its all going to pan out.

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I am thrilled with TRoss, not at 4 though, only if we don't get Beal. I have said in here twice that if we get "stuck" with MKG or Barnes at 4, trading up for TRoss would make me ecstatic. Dude is 6'7, some calling the sleeper of the draft. Do it. Somehow.

Trade down, and I am with all you guys. Hate it.

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Screw it, we should stand pat at 4. MKG looks like the best player available after Davis and signs point to him being there. Sure, we won't be able to score next year but we need to suck again anyway. I don't think it's worth sacrificing what should be a rotation player at 24. And even if Charlotte takes MKG, we can still negotiate with them.

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Isn't it possible that the Cavs let leak they had Ross in for a workout to throw off any scent of them either trying to still work with Charlotte or even just hoping someone they want falls to them?

I highly doubt they have ANY notion of taking Ross at #4. It would be an incredible waste of value in that spot when they could trade back with Portland more than likely and get 6 and 11. Aside from taking Drummond, it'd have me ledging.

That said, I think this time right now is the silly time. We truly have no idea how this is going to play out until MJ makes his call on that #2 pick. Until then or a pre-draft trade is can go 10 different directions.

I'd have it ranked:1)Beal2)MKG3)Trade down4)Barnes24)Drummond

I think the Cavs brass has it ranked:1)Beal2)Barnes3)MKG4)Drummond/Trade down (Tie and closer to MKG than not)

I hope I'm wrong.

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I think their intention is this: If they stay put at 4 and get MKG, then they want to try to trade into the 8-13 range and get Ross. I'd be stunned if Ross was even under consideration at 4, and he certainly won't last until 24. So they're either thinking trade down, or try to trade up.