………he is not a woman and never will be,. Just another creep with a castration fetish and a addiction to female hormones looking for attention. Use the male facilities …that’s what they are for……… 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 countdown to the inevitable screaming match from the trannies screaming transphobia…Meh!

Again you are presumptuous. I have never in my 62 years experienced bigotry or discrimination from anyone because i was Gay except that is a so called trans person in the personage of none other than April Ashley which is why I have the attitude I do to this sad fetish that apparently hasn’t been the panacea these deluded people expected….peace of mind or body.

So by your logic, if someone from a demographic caused me upset, I should write off the entire group and seek them out on the internet to attack? You don’t see the foolishness in that?

So, you have never experienced bigitory, good for you. But others have, and it needs to stop.

Not only are you hiding behind a keyboard, but a thin excuse as well. Before you say I hide behind a keyboard also, I do not. I step out everyday and risk incidents such as this.

Btw, your hate seems only directed at trans women (even if someone did, I cannot see how a trans man could have a “castration fetish”) Again, you are showing your true colors by spending so much time and energy in pursuit of your nastiness.

Katie kool-eyes
Obviously you are one of these pedants who has to count on your fingers. No Ashley was and still is my attitudes raison de terre, but for all the intervening years I have not had any experience to change my mind. Every news item where Trans folk are concerned has been a litnay of whine and whinge and “Oh woe is me” ffs. Case in point amongst a myriad of others is the vile Chastity Bono who goes from one attention seeking stunt to another and who claims to be a man despite retaining her female bits except for a radical mastectomy. This, as I have opined before many times, is nothing more or less a sick castration fetish undertaken by some and a step too far for others, like Ms Bono and numerous others who parade as men having babies. The same applies to male to female where we have the sick spectacle of “chicks” with dicks, so don’t presume to preach crap to me; I have been around the block more times than you have had hot dinners and know well of what i speak .

Katie kool-eyes
Obviously you are one of these pedants who has to count on your fingers. No Ashley was and still is my attitudes raison de terre, but for all the intervening years I have not had any experience to change my mind. Every news item where Trans folk are concerned has been a litnay of whine and whinge and “Oh woe is me” ffs. Case in point amongst a myriad of others is the vile Chastity Bono who goes from one attention seeking stunt to another and who claims to be a man despite retaining her female bits except for a radical mastectomy. This, as I have opined before many times, is nothing more or less a sick castration fetish undertaken by some and a step too far for others, like Ms Bono and numerous others who parade as men having babies. The same applies to male to female where we have the sick spectacle of “chicks” with d1cks, so don’t presume to preach crap to me; I have been around the block more times than you have had hot dinners and know well of what i speak .

Chas Bono is a self appointed spokesperson for trans people, it doesn’t mean he’s an actual spokesperson for trans people, anymore than Stonewall are representative of the entire LGBT community. Also, as far as I know, he hasn’t had any children.

Would you like it if Rylan whateverhisnameis was considered representative of every single gay male?

What if someone who once met George Michael and had a bad experience, now loathed all gay men because of this, would you consider their homophobia rational?

@Joss…
…comparing Gay people with trannies is like comparing trees with whales. There simply is no comparison. The whole trans thing needs a radical rethink, and I would prefer , same as o lot of GLB people , not to be associated with their …. whatever it is!
“Women” with penis’ and “men” who give birth is hardly edifying. and only serves to paint GLBs with the same brush of revulsion felt by by most people at such perversion.

“…comparing Gay people with trannies is like comparing trees with whales.”

Good job I didn’t do that then isn’t it? I compared your prejudice with other people’s prejudice and one situation with another, in an attempt (obviously fruitless) to engender empathy from yourself.

However I did not compare one gay person with one trans person. I think it’s pretty obvious that George Michael and April Ashley have nothing in common. Ditto Rylan xfactorface and Chas Bono, [well actually they both are, (IMO irritating), reality tv celebrities but that’s tangential to my point].

@Joss…
… isn’t referring to Chastity Bone as “a TV celebrity” stretching the bounds of credulity just a tad. more like she is a perpetually attention seeking nut case who is trying to reverse the effects of being ignored by her equally attention seeking Mother and late Father…..

… however those who refer to me as paddy using lower case p are in fact being racist and deliberately so…. by assuming I am Irish and referring to Irish people as paddy. My tag is # Paddyswurds and if you feel the need to shorten that it is Paddy.

The comment wasn’t racist, but it was sectarian and this isn’t the place for that kind of argument. Paddy is objectionable for his transphobia. Which side of the Irish political fence he sits is irrelevant here.

@Joss…
….says an Englishman…. Like it or not referring to Irish people as paddy (or mick ) is considered racism in polite society although that is usually lost on the Sasanach who usually (privately) don’t even equate Irish with Human.!
Laziness with the caps lock is no excuse for racism….

………he is not a woman and never will be,. Just another creep with a castration fetish and a addiction to female hormones looking for attention. Use the male facilities …that’s what they are for……… 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 countdown to the inevitable screaming match from the pretends screaming transphobia…Meh!

Nice to see Leeds Uni are aware and supportive across all levels, including Security.

Shame about the students who acted that way. Hope they got an official reminder of the behaviour expected of them. It’s next to impossible to change a bigot’s mind, but one can legislate to punish them acting on itheir views.

This is a direct result of tuition fees and the liarbour policy of “education education debt”. I’m an alumni of Leeds, 25 years ago and an openly visible transwoman even back then. I never experienced this kind of abuse on campus. Might that be because in those days (with grants and stuff for people actually QUALIFIED to attend) students were a better “class” of people, more tolerant of difference and open to other possibilities than they are now when it’s all about having the family wealth to go and to hell with being clever.

The students’ union, the security staff, and especially Alexis herself, have all responded admirably to this horrible incident. But what happened here highlights the need for widespread awareness-raising of trans issues, especially considering that this occurred at a university where you might expect people to be more enlightened and accepting than the general population.

I’m pleased to see the Student Union have a clear policy in place, and (perhaps more surprisingly) the security staff were willing to deal with it swiftly and efficiently. Of course it’s sad that it happened in the first place, and shows that better education is needed to prevent such things from happening in the first place.

…. … .. .. and rightly so. The number of perverts dressing up as pretend women in order to get access to women in toilets and other areas reserved exclusively for women and girls is frightening. It is doubly right that he was thrown out if in fact he still has his male bits which a lot of these creeps do.
This is why we have segregated toilet facilities for men and women.

Well done misgendering her and advocating for violence against transgender people. The imagined danger to women of men dressing as women for perverted reasons is nowhere near the very real danger trans people face on a day to day basis.

The usual trannie tactic of accusing me of advocating violence. No where did is utter anything that could be construed by a rational being as violent. As for misgendering, a word not to be found in any English dictionary,; another trannie concept, i called him what he is and what he will still be if he is dug up in a thousand years. A man…end of. He was politely asked to remove himself from the ladies toilets as any man rightly would. He refused and had to be forcibly removed…that is hardly violence, except maybe on his part for not obeying the designated security of the school…. Also the school security had no proof that this was a “genuine trannie” and assumed rightly in absence of that that the dude was simply a pervert….

Where do you get the idea that anyone was politely asked to leave the toilets? The article states that she was attacked by two girls. The security were called to deal with the two offenders who attacked the trans woman. You seem to be asserting that she was in the wrong and was removed by security. That was not the case.

Paddy is a regular troll here. He didn’t even read the article apparently. Obviously, since the real story was that two students physically assaulted Alexis and Alexis very generously declined to press charges against them after she called Security and the Security officer informed the two students who assaulted Alexis that University policy specifically allowed Alexis the use of that bathroom.

I would have pressed charges. Touching a trans woman’s chest without consent is sexual assault.

@rosiehue…
…except that a man with moobies is not a woman and should not have invaded the privacy of a LADIES toilet… He is a DUDE and He is a pervert by definition of any man wishing to perv on women in a toilet….

Paddy, are you claiming to have first hand knowledge of this incident? Do you live in Leeds? Were you at the event where the incident occured? If not, then you know no more than the rest of us, through second hand sources,

And your definition of a perv and a pervert is objectionable, paddy. Alexis did not invade anything. She is the victim of a nasty attack, and you are compounding the nastiness with your small-minded attitude.

First off; don’t assume I am transgender, which you obviously do. Wether I am transgender or cisgender has nothing to do with scientific fact and decades of medical knowledge. You are, quite simply, wrong. Don’t derail discussions that call you on your obvious faults.

The headline of the article is that she was abused and shoved. Your comment is that it was done rightly so. That is advocating for violence. If you don’t see that, something is terribly wrong with you.

That a word is not in “any English dictionary” does not invalidate the word. Dictionaries are descriptive, not prescriptive. Dictionaries sometimes can’t keep up with the evolution of language. “Trannie” is not in “any English dictionary” either. Furthermore, it is an offensive word, which you surely know, as you are obviously only commenting to offend and cause harm. Not to understand of to have a meaningful discussion.

You also seem to misunderstand the difference between sex (male/female) and gender (man/woman).

@Rosiehue…
…wrong. A transistor radio is shortened to Tranny. ..According to my Concise Oxford Dictionary a Trannie is short for Trans dresser or Trans sexual. You obviously own a PC so use it . Google is a wonderful tool for the ill educated and ill informed and you fall into both categories….

An ageist comment if ever i saw one. You have no idea of how old i am or how far I will go or indeed if in fact I have already been far and this “attitude” has been of no consequence whatever. You made the classic trannie mistake of assuming anyone other than a trannie or someone into trannies would give a flying phuck what i thought of the whole trannie castration fetish thing. To answer your last part the only trannie I ever met that I was sure was a trannie is probably most to blame for my attitude to the trans fetish, and that was none other than April Ashley who turned out to be a vile bitter homophobe who berated me for being happy with being Gay and also happy with the partner who accompanied me to the event where I had the unfortunate luck to meet Ashley. I expected to meet a happy contented trans person but instead met a bitter, unhappy being who was neither man or woman and blamed the entire world for his woes…

The reason you give for your attitude is frank and honest, but can you see that it’s irrational?

I can and do give an unfavourable impression to other people sometimes when they meet me. I hope no-one will use any bad impression that they pick up from meeting me to form a ludicrous, hurtful generalisation that all other gay men like me are merely exercising some “fetish thing”.

Please, Paddyswurds, don’t take the damaging ignorance which most readers of this news site have to deal with in other people (as I’m sure you do too) and use it against another group. Accept that some people are not the gender which they were physically born as, and accept people’s right to be who they truly are.

@Brian-E …
… I would much prefer we in the GLB community weren’t associated with this particular group and their unending whine and whinge and frankly the sick spectacles of chicks with d!cks and pregnant men which does us no favours and only serves to paint us all with the same brush of disgust which for our particular condition is a false…. Thank you for your lone reasoned response.. unusual on a thread of this kind.
I do accept that ther exists a condition of body dismorphia but medical science has not yet worked out a successful means of treatment. Mutilation and castration clearly is not the answer because the only part of the body dismorphic is the brain . Mutilation and castration is only a cosmetic change and the body remains genetically and otherwise a man or woman. As i have said before If a trans person is dug up in a thousand years and is examined what do you think the result would be. Of course, they would be identified as what they were born.

You seem to have an awful lot of prejudice against a lot of people on the basis of one bad encounter. I don’t know who April Ashley is so there is no point in trashing her name around here, but I do wonder what her side of the story is. Perhaps she thought you were unpleasant.

So if I met a gay man who was rude to me, by your standards I could assume from that point on that all gay men were fetishistic pervert assholes who hate the Universe? You can’t see that shitty form of prejudice for what it is?

Relax babe. It’s just that idiot Paddy again. He met April Ashley once and now hates all of us. Should be something in the DSM that covers him lol. April Ashley disassociative transference disease lol.

Wrong on all counts except on Ashley. I looked forward to meeting “her” and was disappointed to meet a dour bitter homophobe who was at war with herself and the entire world. it certainly was not my attitude that made her be rude and openly homophobic as i was then quite shy and wall flowerish and had no opinion on her condition whatever. i was only 18 ffs. Perhaps she resented my obvious ease with my homosexuality and quite obvious good looks but that we will now never know….

If you construe what is my rational realistic opinion as hatred or prejudice you are completely wrong and are quite possibly being wilfully disingenuous. i have no emotional connection with this subject whatever. I am a realist and rationally describe as I clearly see what as reality…..

you’re so right paddy – i spent four years getting insulted by medics who questioned how i dressed and wanted to know every detail of my sex life, daily threats of violence, being thrown out of job after job and going through an operation which had a painful three month recovery period just so i could go into women’s toilets.

Talking shyte about the Law hardly advances your argument. I have stated nothing but fact. I didn’t, unlike some of the pretend women on this thread, call anyone name or be personally offensive in any way. I know a lot more about the Law and the Law on the internet than you will ever know were you to live to 100 years old….. You make a great companion to the troll Theotherone.

Hey, thanks for all your kind words. I’m good friends with the security staff, so I usually never have an issue, as I’m out to everyone! I expect this stuff to happen for a while until my hair grows out. It’s seriously irritating when this happen’s at Queen’s Court though…I mean, seriously?

I used to be the LGBT officer at Leeds Trinity, once upon a while ago, and thankfully we have a much stronger presence and voice than we did some years back. It is still disappointing to hear of incidents like this happening in this day ad age. Hopefully this was a one-off and those who started it will realise their mistake in due course.

This is a difficult one, because if I saw someone who looked male in the girls’ bathroom I’d be angry too.
Forcing someone who seems to be male to leave the women’s bathroom is acceptable, especially when you consider just how frequent rape and sexual assault is on campus.

It’s the main reason I support having gender neutral toilets as well as gendered ones.

HOW frequent is rape and assault on campus? It has never happened at the university I went to, and I can’t imagine it is any more frequent than any other place in an average town. You make going to university sound a very dangerous thing, which I really don’t think it is.

Gender neutral toilets are a good idea. I think there ought to be more of them everywhere, in shopping centres, clubs, bus stations, if only to stop this sort of nastiness. But in the meantime, a little common courtesy for all would help. There was no call for these girls to behave that way. Within all ladies toilets are private cubicles and nobody ought to see anything they shouldn’t see of anybody else. There is no need for this behaviour.

One in 4 university-aged women report experiences that meet the legal definitions of rape or attempted rape.

One in 5 women are raped during their university years.

ONE IN FOUR! Yes, I do feel that I have the right to get funny when someone who appears to be male comes into a female toilet. This is not a transphobic attack, this is simply several girls feeling very threatened and defending themselves from a perceived threat. Sexual assault is very prevalent and yes, uni is a dangerous time. Good for you, you don’t think it is. Why don’t you go and tell the rape/sexual assault survivors to shut up because university isn’t that dangerous? Obviously their experience is wrong.

Those statistics refer to Amerian colleges. I found them online, too. We’re talking about the UK, and being raped on campus is not an issue women worry about here. This IS a transphobic attack. They were NOT defending themselves from a perceived threat.

And don’t try to make out that I am unsympathetic to rape victims. But rape and sexual assault are NOT as common as you are making out. Women go to university, go to work, go to leisure facilities, every day without fear of rape. What do youi think we’re all doing, scuttling around like frightened rabits with a panic alarm and mace in either hand? Look around any unversity campus, any workplace, any high street. Women are not living in fear like you suggest. I think you need to calm down a bit.

I think it’s funny, Rosie, that you feel you get to say that rape isn’t something women in the UK worry about.

As a women I don’t want someone who looks like a man in my bathroom. There are reasons for having separate sex bathrooms and yes, I would find someone who appears to be male being in a bathroom for women scary and suspicious.

This lady was not attacked because she is trans, she was attacked because she looked male and was in the female bathroom.

In the UK the reported stats look like this:
Around 1 in 10 women (9.7%) said they had experienced some form of sexual victimisation (including rape) since age 16.

• Around 1 in 20 women (4.9%) said they had been raped on at least one occasion since age 16.

• The BCS estimates that approximately three-quarters of a million women (754,000) have been raped on at least one occasion since age 16. This includes approximately 61,000 victimised in the last year.

I don’t think it’s being brought up because of the victim was trans but because Ellie rightly or wrongly supposes that the two girls did not know she was trans and thought she was a man (I don’t really know why Ellie is so sure this is the case)

I don’t think that Ellie is arguing that all trans women are rapists who shouldn’t be allowed to wee with women but two different arguments seem to have been muddled together

“As a women I don’t want someone who looks like a man in my bathroom. There are reasons for having separate sex bathrooms and yes, I would find someone who appears to be male being in a bathroom for women scary and suspicious.”

I don’t think I’d become hysterical if I found a man in a woman’s toilet, unless his behaviour was suspicious in another way. I’d assume there was probably a good reason for him being there ie. broken mens; toilet attendant etc. If I was suspicious I’d leave asap and find a security guard. Confronting potential rapists is probably not recommended

@Elle…
….”Rosie” saying such is again proof that being Trans doesn’t make you think like a woman. No man no matter how mutilated his body can possibly think like a woman. He is a MAN! He wouldn’t have barged into a woman’s toilet while looking (by his own admission) like a man in drag if he thought like a woman….

Paddy – I’m not saying that I don’t view this young lady as female. I do because she IS female. I’m merely pointing out that if this lady looks male then the girls in question had every right to be angry and surprised at her being in the bathroom. If they didn’t know her gender identity then I think this was merely a case of exuberance.

Now, if they knew she was trans and still hurt her, then that is a totally different matter and I find that disgusting. That truly is a crime and deserves to be treated as such.

Your statistic is completely wrong, Paddy. Mature students make up a very significant number of university students in the UK. Lifelong learning is encouraged. You should try it sometime instead of assuming you know everything.

Paddy seems to be assumng I am trans because I have defended trans people. Assuming a great deal. I could be a gay man with a preference for a shade of pink, a lesbian woman with a nicely feminine name, a straight woman with a gay child who wants to understand his point of view. It is none of his business which I am. My opinion is just as valid as his and he should stick to what he knows.

And Ellie, you need to get help if you are really that scared of being attacked by men. It is far from normal to be that worried. The majority of straight men have no interest in committing sex crimes and trans women have no interest in doing anything to you at all.

So you would force a butch woman to leave the bathroom? Would you force Kadijah Farmer out of the bathroom because she doesn’t fit your criteria for not “seeming male?” What are you doing on an LGBT site again? Teaching, or learning?

We’re not talkign about a BATHROOM where somebody is going to take down their knickers in front of you. We’re talking about public toilets with seperate cubicles. The only thing the trans person would be doing outside of the cubicle is washing their hands, combing hair, fixing make up. How is that offensive or threatening?

Voicing your opinion on threads such as this is absolutely not allowed, don’t ya know Ellie. You will be bullied and screamed at and accused of being transphobic, and that is the least of the accusations you will get levelled at you especially by the less intellectual like theotherone and others….

Ellie, I completely understand your sentiments. I’m a transguy, and I get this treatment quite often because I’m not quite comfortable enough using the men’s room, but I obviously look like a guy. The college campus closest to me does not have gender-neutral bathrooms, so it is always a gamble going into either – both because women tend to be frightened of a guy in their space and because I have been sexually assaulted in the men’s room.

I mean no disrespect to Alexis, and I understand her sentiments too: a person should be able to use the bathroom proscribed for their gender identity. I also don’t quite agree with you, Ellie, that forcing a perceived man out of the bathrooms through violence is in order. The best course of action these girls could have taken was to report it to the campus security, and when the security officers showed up, Alexis could have explained her situation (thankfully, most of the cis-women at my school follow this rule). But I do appreciate your honesty.

but isn’t the point that they weren’t aware she was a transgender woman until it was explained to them?… and as Alexis herself says- she chooses to dress in a masculine way… there are bound to be times when people get confused.

Unisex toilets are the only way to go just to get rid of territorial pissing in a pot.

That Alexis thinks “everyone” knows about his condition is the sign of a deluded mind. I should think that the majority of students are completely unaware of his existence, and most of those that are are indifferent to him.

They challenged her and were met with the usual tirade of abuse and invective one gets from these deluded people when challenged…. They all think they look like Sofia Loren. Apparently they, for obvious reasons, abhor mirrors..

He was NOT attacked. His “breasts” were groped by the two girls when he started screaming transphobe at them and asserting that he was a woman which he clearly was not in either sound of his voice or visage!

Please, dear friends ! Respect transgender and transsexual persons for what they are.They are as beautiful as anyone else- and have the very same value !! ( A persons gender identity resides between the ears, not between the legs-

I have the same respect for all the deluded, be it religious trans or whatever, none, and i have zero emotional baggage invested in such delusion. I am first and last a realist. and everything I say on the this or any other delusion carries no emotion whatever …it is just rational opinion, like it or not. Abuse and invective won’t change my mind or opinion and such abuse just runs off me like water off a duck!.

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No woman should be “smacked around” as you so knowingly put it and in this case the pretend “woman” was NOT smacked around either although a man who has invaded the privacy of a womens toilet and refuses to leave deserves a smack…. I would do it myself and I abhor violence.

Perhaps they should have used their words instead of putting their hands on another person first. A little chat could have ended with all three being on friendly terms without the shoving and without needing to call the Security officer. That’s why we have laws against assault and battery, to encourage people to use their words instead of their hands on each other.,

Perhaps we should return to the Roma toilet plan where we all sit side by side and use a sponge on a stick dipped in the open sewer to cleanse ourselves in full public view. Why is this not surprising coming from you….? How can anyone predict behaviour?.
It is way too late once the pervert has gained access and is already attacking someone surely.

perhaps that isn’t a totally stupid idea. Then people would stop being hung up about genitalia. But I am rather sure those Roman toilets were only for men – that would be their concept of ‘real’ men. Women, slaves and eunuchs would have to go somewhere else.

I don’t mean hung up about genitalia in the sense Paddy implied. I’m not accusing anyone of ‘castration fetish’. I mean the way oeople get upset about the sight of genitalia. Thousands of years of conditioning – since Roman loos went out of fashion – have made us feel that such things should be hidden, but we all have genitalia. We should stop worrying about it. Then it wouldn’t matter who has what and this sort of thing might not happen so much.

Alexis does not look like a woman, does not have breasts and makes no way shape or attempt to be “trans” so at a busy night luje fruity thectwo girls probably thoughtvthey were up against a drunken straight idiot

Ink.. this is precisely the type of ignorance that we as trans people do not need to deal with, for all you know Alexis may be at the very start of her transition process and hence may not have the full resources at her disposal

Men should not be in woman’s toilets – end of .So-called ‘trans – woman’ , a man who deceives himself he has ‘changed sex’ through mutilation and his own self disgust from his unchangeable gender should perhaps use the disabled toilet and leave women in peace and unmolested .Feel even sadder for the people who go along with the Emperors New Clothes fantasy and call him a ‘she’ and a ‘woman’ – a sad parody and an insult to women . I’m with the female students in this .

Disabled people should have a better deal than they do, too. They are already the ‘third sex’ when it comes to toilet provision in public places. And you think trans people should be shunted off into the seperate facilities, too. Not good enough.

And your attitude to trans issues shows that you’re in need of educating along with Paddy and some others.

Not to mention vicious. What a deeply unpleasant excuse for a human. Or troll. Either way, an arrogant moron who presumes to know better than a considerable number of substantially more intelligent people on trans issues, all because a trans person hurt his feelings decades ago. It’s time to put your toys back in the pram and grow up, you infantile narcissist.

As a Trans women Ray would you like to come say that to me in person instead of from behind the cowerdly comfort of your computer screen. Very sad to see such ignorance arrogance and plain abuse from people. Take a long hard look at your self because all your bringing to the world is hate and bitterness and thats all youll get in return!

I am frankly disgusted by the way some gay people here have behaved towards trans people. The term is LGBT. We are ALL in the same fight against the prejudices of the sort of people trotting out that nonsense about satan etc. It is awful to think that a gay or lesbian person who has experienced prejudice themselves should pass on that prejudice to trans people. We are not a link in some descending chain of human worth. We are ALL equal. It’s time to behave that way. Some commentators on this page ought to be thoroughly ASHAMED of themselves.

The GLB struggle bears no relation whatever to what Trans people are going through. Why do you think it necessary to latch on to GLB community when there is no reason to do so. Form your own group and stay well away from the Gay community and then you can be as deluded as you like. In the meantime you must be prepared to be, in my case anyway, told the truth as i see it I accept your condition but i totally reject the idea that mutilation of your body will make you a man or a woman. It just simply is not so. Mutilation is cosmetic only and you will remain a woman in a mans body or vice versa. The truth in what i say was vividly represented by the Beatty idiot in California who got pregnant twice no less while sporting a hormone induced beard and claiming to be a man. Reality cannot be brushed under the rug just to be PC… well not for this rational being anyway!

No woman should be “smacked around” as you so knowingly put it and in this case the pretend “woman” was NOT smacked around either although a man who has invaded the privacy of a womens toilet and refuses to leave deserves a smack…. I would do it myself and I abhor violence.

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No woman should be “smacked around” as you so knowingly put it and in this case the pretend “woman” was NOT smacked around either although a man who has invaded the privacy of a womens toilet and refuses to leave deserves a smack…. I would do it myself and I abhor violence.

You are disgusting. You make me ashamed to be a gay man. Your views are vile. You’re no different than those neo-nazi fascists except you happened to be born gay. I bet if you were straight you’d be just as hateful towards gay people, but you aren’t so you take your hate out on people “lower down” than you. Disgusting sexist cisgendered bigot.

Cute. Again; decades of medical knowledge disagree with your petty assumptions. As you said yourself; google is a tool for the ill informed. How about you use it for once to figure out the difference between gender and sex.

It’s so sad you are so hateful and try to disguise at as being rational and truthful. Every expert will tell you you are wrong.

I am simply not interested in self aggrandising claptrap or indeed lectures from the severely deluded. I think that at this stage of my life I know what gender is, nor do I make assumptions. …. I have yet to mention sex so I am mystified as to what you are referring Decades of medical knowledge inserted industrial silicone in the Mammary glands of thousands of women, pretend women and even some men, resulting in the deaths of some and disfigurement of thousands….Medical knowledge is in constant flux and
upgrade as will be readily admitted by most Doctors….. Medical knowledge once “bled” the sick in the mistaken belief that it would cure the “ague”
Anyone who claims to be an expert is the one person one should run a mile from. There are people who believe the Earth is less than 10,000 years old and say my assertion of Evolution is wrong too.

you know all about telling me what you would do to me given half a chance though paddy:

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No woman should be “smacked around” as you so knowingly put it and in this case the pretend “woman” was NOT smacked around either although a man who has invaded the privacy of a womens toilet and refuses to leave deserves a smack…. I would do it myself and I abhor violence.

But why is the term LGBT? Beings trans isn’t a sexuality. It’s a gender identity. Why does being trans have anything to do with the struggles of the gay community?
I support equality for everyone, but why is being transgender connected to being bi-sexual, gay or a lesbian? They’re nothing the same.

A very small minority are Gay Bi or Lesbian. They are usually those who rejected being Gay in the first place and were so homophobic and self hating that they thought if as a man attracted to men they would be acceptable as a woman and so went the castration route. Same with homophobic women and they are even more tragic given that they are usually left with their unwanted Female genitalia… Fortunately we have yet to be assaulted with the unedifying spectacle of transplanted penis’

…Paddyswurds 4 MINUTES AGO REPORT 0
No woman should be “smacked around” as you so knowingly put it and in this case the pretend “woman” was NOT smacked around either although a man who has invaded the privacy of a womens toilet and refuses to leave deserves a smack…. I would do it myself and I abhor violence.

i always point out at this point that when you’re walking down the street and someone shouts ‘poof’ or ‘dyke’ at you they’re not reacting to your sexuality as such but to the way you look, how you measure up against a ‘real’ man or woman – gender is the route cause of homophobia.

The struggle of a trans person to be accepted for their true gender is very similar to the struggle of a LGB person to be accepted for who they are and whom they love. It’s a matter of our identity and being allowed to be who we really are. I think this similarity marks the problems of being LGB and the problems of being Trans in an unaccepting society out from other groups which experience discrimination.

I do agree with you that gender identity and sexual orientation have little or nothing to do with each other. But I think it makes sense to pool resources and for LGB people to stand in solidarity with Trans people since the latter are a tiny minority in comparison and their degree of acceptance in society is far less advanced.

I totally accept the concept of gender dysphoria but also reject totally the idea that body mutilation is the answer or cure. That that is a tragedy for those afflicted is clear but being disingenuous or administering what is also just short term placebo is not the answer. Perhaps one day drugs or the means to change genetic makeup will be discovered but I fear that would not necessarily satisfy these people.

and we all know what would make you happy right paddy? smacking some people:

…Paddyswurds 4 MINUTES AGO REPORT 0
No woman should be “smacked around” as you so knowingly put it and in this case the pretend “woman” was NOT smacked around either although a man who has invaded the privacy of a womens toilet and refuses to leave deserves a smack…. I would do it myself and I abhor violence.

Paddy, as you have said before, medical health is always being updated. And the latest update is that gender identity disorder is not a mental problem, but a disease. This issue starts in the womb, when the person isn’t even fully developed. The brain develops towards the sex/gender it believes the body will be, because of different causes. Some not as severe as others. But all in all, trans people are the gender they identify as. Just because they were born with the wrong parts and want that fixed, you criticize them. You clearly have not realized the flaw in your own argument. You admitted yourself that you may be wrong without realizing it. And by 2020, or about then, trans people will be able to actually fully transition, reproductive organs will be able to be made using their own DNA through stem cell research. I follow this science closely, and I believe it would be in your best interests to open up and be less closed minded about these things. I know who I am thank you.

Paddyswurds, have you ever heard of the intersex condition? Where anatomy/chromosomes/hormonal make-up are not binary? For instance, I am a chromosomal/anatomical female, and yet my hormone levels are that of a male (and no, I am not on any hormone replacement therapy. I have what is called congenital adrenal hyperplasia). It happens in 1 out of 66 adult females, and some of them are “transgender” because of it. There is also androgen insensitivity syndrome, Kleinfelter’s syndrome (XXY), Turner’s syndrome (XO), and many others. The intersex condition happens in about 1/1,660 individuals, most of which were born with it. Most lead happy lives as the gender they were proscribed at birth, but some do not, and some have the misfortune of not having a choice which binary sex their parents choose for them (in the case of genital ambiguity) at the time of birth.

Devian….
Thank you for a sensitive and informative comment without the usual emotional claptrap spouted by some on this thread. Yes i am aware of the condition and have read of the others you mention and I know it can be tragic when the wrong gender is chosen by parents or forced on them by insensitive doctors.
As i have stated several times in this thread, I do accept the conditions of body dysphoria and others. My problem is in acceptying that mutilating the body in an effort to become what is in the brain is not the answer and this is borne out by the fact that so many trans find that after transition they are not what they expected and often end up killing themselves because of the pain and complications experienced by many and an abiding sense of foreboding. This is why there is such a long and detailed counselling period before transition. t is rarely the answer. For this i have great sympathy but there is a small rump of trans who are militant and refuse to recognise reality

Whether we like it or not the majority of born-males and born-females would probably start at the sight of someone who does not look stereotypically masculine or feminine within their respective toilets. That’s far better than the verbal or physical abuse that was probably guaranteed a decade ago, but I can imagine trans people still notice the glaces. That’s the reality out there when you leave The Guardian bubble.

You can condemn these girls whilst simultaneously pointing out that the average person who knows little about LGBT, and at best only knows people who are LGB, hasn’t really been forewarned that this may happen. For years campaigns have been telling born-females to be assertively alert in toilets & parks against potential attacks. I’ve seen no campaigns telling born-females that transitioning individuals may use the same facilities, and not to worry. The government has really let trans people down.

…Paddyswurds 4 MINUTES AGO REPORT 0
No woman should be “smacked around” as you so knowingly put it and in this case the pretend “woman” was NOT smacked around either although a man who has invaded the privacy of a womens toilet and refuses to leave deserves a smack…. I would do it myself and I abhor violence.

I find it somewhat ironic when cispeople attempt to excuse their transphobia by claiming that transpeople using the same toilet are a risk to them when, in fact, it’s the transperson who is the one most likely to be attacked by the cisperson and not the other way around! As here!

Let’s face it though, folks: no matter how ‘educated’. ‘liberal’ and ‘enlightened’ privileged snobby upper class students might fantasize themselves to be – they’re still essentially the same sort of unsophisticated, unoriginal bigots who if they’d been around in the ’50s segregated deep south USA would similarly not want to share public facilities with someone else just because of the colour of their skin was different from theirs. It’s just that now, the groups that they are prejudiced against have changed.

And to those guys saying that we, as transwomen, deserve to be assaulted by other women if we use the toilet: I’m sure you’d be the first to beat us up if we came in and used the men’s!

Just like the Burqa controversy in France where no one knows whether the wearer is a male terrorist or a male bullied woman, how is anyone to know that a man in drag is a trannie or a pervert … especially one who admits to looking like a man in drag with short hair even. Ever heard of wigs? Set your emotional response aside and think rationally for a change if that is at all possible although the tone of this thread seems to indicate that trans folk are incapable of rational thought ….

Ignorant troll. I am clearly comparing the disguise aspect of the Burqa and drag and unless you have the intelligence of an amoeba you would know that….. BTW I am an avowed non believer in the supernatural or deities.

…Paddyswurds 4 MINUTES AGO REPORT 0
No woman should be “smacked around” as you so knowingly put it and in this case the pretend “woman” was NOT smacked around either although a man who has invaded the privacy of a womens toilet and refuses to leave deserves a smack…. I would do it myself and I abhor violence.

I’m not an ignorant troll and I know perfectly well that you are NOT a right wing Christian. I made a SIMILE. I said that you were LIKE one of those, comparing transexuals with suicide bombers the way the Christians compare gays and paedos, etc. Everyone else understood my meaning. You deliberately misread it.

Dear Katie ! I do like Your comment. I wish my English could have been better and thus enable me to write more about this topic. ( several decades since I was in school ). But I send You lots of love and good wishes from Oslo and Norway !

“no matter how ‘educated’. ‘liberal’ and ‘enlightened’ privileged snobby upper class students might fantasize themselves to be”
It’s you that seem to be the fantasist – Leeds Uni is hardly the playground of the upper classes.

…Paddyswurds 4 MINUTES AGO REPORT 0
No woman should be “smacked around” as you so knowingly put it and in this case the pretend “woman” was NOT smacked around either although a man who has invaded the privacy of a womens toilet and refuses to leave deserves a smack…. I would do it myself and I abhor violence.

I certainly do get it. I am apalled by his behaviour. There are some othes with the same attitudes, but his is by far the worst. I’ve not been a member here for very long but it hasn’t taken long to find out that some people are very unpleasant.

“I’ve not been a member here for very long” …. and the soonest you leave again the better. we have enough deluded fools on this site without idiots like you and the liar above who wants men to be allowed free egress to women’s private facilities without sanction. Next thing he will be asking leave to invade women’s refuges.

…Paddyswurds 4 MINUTES AGO REPORT 0
No woman should be “smacked around” as you so knowingly put it and in this case the pretend “woman” was NOT smacked around either although a man who has invaded the privacy of a womens toilet and refuses to leave deserves a smack…. I would do it myself and I abhor violence.

This whole thread is so making a mockery of women and how they should be protected from pervs and creeps who will use any and all means to invade their privacy…. Shocking given these people claim to be women. Again proof positive they are nothing of the sort and never ever will be….

You know what the theory is, regarding bullies… They have a subconscious need to overcompensate for a feeling of insufficiency in an area of their life — either because they’re friendless, impotent, or have, aha, small genitals.

Can we do nothing to ban that transphobic git from our forums? He is deliberately provocative, just to see reaction. I’ve taken to slagging him off on the gay forums, not very mature I know, but it gives me pleasure!!

i think, since he’s openly asking for violence against gender variant people and saying he would take part in this violence the moderators must ask themselves if he’s a worthwhile person to have around

With some of the comments on here, it is very clear how much discrimination transexuals face and encounter. Transexuals are NOT transvestites and of course transphobics always sling the ‘men dressing in frocks’ line as a slur against transexuals. I have many trans friends are they are not ‘men’ whether they still have their bits or not. Some people should try to educate themselves about the subject but unfortunately bigots never do that!

There used to be an even worse one than paddy with the capital ‘P’ – what was her name, the lesbian from the deep south with the victim complex who used to insult trans at every opportunity with the same language addressed to her by others. A real nasty piece of work.

Lovely wishes to You too, RosieHue ( and to Tara Hewitt )People like you give optimism to many, many suppressed persons ( transgender or not )around the World !
A warm hug from Helge V. T. —and Norway.

I don’t know whether to be surprised or not at doctors in a Gender Clinic being unsympathetic to patients. It seems as if this is what trans people have to put up with and nobody is in any hurry to change things.

Can somebody (other than Paddy) explain what a transvestite is as opposed to a transgender or transexual. I always thought the words were interchangeable, but clearly I am wrong. I would genuinely appreciate the clarification.

I’m not surprised you are confused because it is indeed complex. In simplistic terms a transvestite identifies as male but spends quite a bit of time expressing a deep feminine side as a woman. A crossdresser is sort of a less intensive tranvestite. A transexual identifies as the opposite of their birth sex, usually in the end living as the opposite of their birth sex (known as living full time). Transwomen usually take hormones and have operations to change thier bodies to match their true gender. If I had to draw the line I would say that as soon as you want to change you actual body in any way you are exhibiting some kind of transness.
Transgender is an umberella term that covers everone above but that also included those with no gender, both genders, or any mix & combination of gender that does not entirely match the birth gender.
Add to that intersex who may or may not idenitfy as transgender or transexual.

You’re mostly right about transvestites (being often described as a fetish) but I know several that don’t do it for sexual reasons, living more and more as female but definitely identifying as male. There doesn’t seem to be any hard and fast rules on categorisation which is why the issue is so complex. I think categorisation is best left to the individual.

Gwen got it for the most part, but there are non-op transgender people, such as myself and other. When talking about post-op, pre-op, or non-op, we speak about sexual reassignment surgery (SRS), and those who are pre- or post-op are definitely transsexual (across sex). Any others fall under the transgender umbrella.

For example, I am a non-op transgender man. I am not a transsexual, but I am still a man.

Some people have said that people who look like men shouldn’t be in the women’s toilets. But there are plnety of ciswomen who are slim and flat-chested and may look quite androgynous. should they be put out of the toilets for looking like a man? People really shouldn’t make assumptions.

OMGG another reason why ppls need to be made of the equality act, Alexis huni I hope yas never have another incident like this, The transphobia thing is jus ridiculous, I know in time things will get better fer trans folk. I mean look at the racist stuff of the 50’s nd such, then there was all the gay shit… things ARE getting better, all be it slowly.

To all ma transfriends out there chin up guys nd dolls, Karma will get the lil shits who bully

One can’t help think back to that horrid article in a national, supposedly liberal, newspaper, practically calling cisfemale feminists to arms against transwomen. Disgusting. Could this be an ugly ripple effect? Alexis, hold your head up, I assure you, you have many allies x

I would urge anyone suffering this kind of abuse to REPORT, REPORT, REPORT to the police….find a diversity officer and talk to them….also GIRES…..this goes for all kinds of abuse…..verbal….physical…..and written. Paddy has repeatedly written things that are transphobic and should similarly be reported….I HOPE THAT ALEXIS DOES WELL AT UNI AND GOES ON TO BE THE PERSON SHE DESERVES TO BE…..this kind of nasty behaviour needs to stop!!!!

Speaking as a Graduate of Leeds, and a trans woman too, I’m pleased the Union gets it. They managed to prevent an unpleasant situation from becoming worse (I also have nothing but praise for the Alumni dept at Leeds who have been faultlessly helpful to me)

Paddyswurds should be banned from commenting on trans stories. It’s disgusting the bile he writes on any trans news. He’s a trans troll. The hate he writes about trans issues is worse than any homophobe on this site and the pink news team need to address it.

I think homophobes have issues with their sexuality – which makes them phobic.

I think transphobes have issues with their gender identity. Sort you head out Paddy.

I so wish they would. He seems to have no self control where transwomen are concerned. Can’t help himself but utter reams of hate speech that would not be allowed for publication for any other minority. Pink News lift your game!

I understand their concern with one who appears more masculine being in the female bathrooms, but violence isn’t the way to handle anything until it’s self-defense. Alexis didn’t hurt them at all by being in there and most certainly didn’t display any signs of wrong intentions- those girls were wrong to lay their hands on her or anyone else.

The further down the road I go, the more ignorant people seem to come into my view. What does it matter if we are trans or no? What does it matter if we are gay, bi, lesbian, straight, or any of the various sexual preferences out there? It doesn’t matter because we are all human. I would like to see my GLB and trans friends have the same rights as I, a straight, ciswoman, do. That includes the right to urinate or defecate in a bathroom that reflects your gender identity without fear of being attacked. Who are we to say that a trans-woman is not a “real” woman? Who are we to say that a trans-man is not a “real” man? Who are we to say that they are wrong about their gender identity, that they are just confused? We are all human and we all came from the same place, whether you believe that to be a god or evolution. No one should feel inferior to another because of their sex, gender identity, sexuality, ethnicity, religious denomination, or even physical appearance.

Very GOOD ! Beautiful comment including us all – We need eachother, we must understand eachother, we must help eachother. Being generous to our neighbour , grants energy and happiness in return-
Thank You, Athene !
( Helge- Norway )

I think I see where Ellie gets her paranoi about being raped from. That blog is obsessive. No way are the women I know worried every waking and sleeping moment about being raped, tortured, murdered. What a ridiculous distortion of reality.

Have you noticed that Paddy has shut up now that the majority of people on here have supported the trans cause and exposed him for the troll he is. Well done to those who stood up to his nastiness at the start. Sorry I was away for a while and didn’t add my support from the beginning.

@Mark Y Silence people who disagree with you? Yeah that’s very democratic of you.
There is no way that Alexis should be in the ladies room full stop end of story. He is not female and neither is he transsexual he is not even trans anything (whatever trans means it’s a nothing term attempting to cover anything and everything) Alexis is a self confessed androgynous male who has no intention of ever having SRS do your research people before opening your mouth and shoving your foot in it.

As a female I expect to be able to deal with female body functions with privacy from males. Alexis can use the male facilities let his male colleagues deal with him why should women bear the burden? By the way I have zero issues with who I am or my sexuality before you clowns start making stupid accusations.

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