The declaration of independence lists inherent right granted all humans by virute of thier birth. If you are human, then those rights apply. You
don't need equal rights, becuase you already have them. People just think it's stupid that some in the Gay community throw thier sexuality in other
peoples faces. I don't see herto pride parades, ever.

If anyone is damaging the rights of a "gay person", it's the gay rights movement.

You don't need any hetero pride parades. No one is oppressing your heterosexuality. It is already everywhere, all over everything, everywhere you
look.

If you do not have the right to a civil partnership, then you do not have equal rights.

Originally posted by KingAtlas
seriously what kinda dude walks around shaking his butt and talking in a high voice OMG.....

I believe this would be a man who was born with what our society describes as a more "feminine" personality. I would never criticize a woman for
desiring to express the way in which she was born or a man who wanted to do the same.

Just because a person is capable of growing facial hair and has a larger muscle structure does not mean in their mind they are more interested in
things that society would deem as being more "masculine".

It is a very hard wall to break down.

I think that gays and lesbians must have a huge amount of willpower to rebel against what they are taught from birth is not the right way to be.

You hit the nail on the head! We are the only social minority that is born and raised by the opposition. We have to find our own way. I was raised
Roman Catholic with nine years of Catholic School, and a very traditional 'Ozzie and Harriet' style home. I was 34 years old before I came out. I
was even married and had a kid, trying to 'fit in'.

You don't need any hetero pride parades. No one is oppressing your heterosexuality. It is already everywhere, all over everything, everywhere you
look.

If you do not have the right to a civil partnership, then you do not have equal rights.

No one is oppressing your homosexuality either, I don't know anyone that gives a crap about who you're having sex with.

[edit on 11-7-2009 by aravoth]

If no one cared, it wouldn't be legislated against. Enough people cared in California to outlaw it. Enough people came onto this thread and others in
order to express their disdain for homosexuality. Your claim of nonchalance is false. Straight people do get awfully riled about this.

Originally posted by TwiTcHomatic
I look at it this way... you are free to have your opinion, I am free to have mine.

I just happen to be repulsed and sickened by two males being together... I can't help that any more than you can help being gay.

But, I am wrong for feeling that way? Then by the same token you are wrong for "feeling" that way.

No, I don't think you are wrong for feeling that way. Everyone should feel as they choose. But when your personal feelings are translated into
legislation that impedes the rights of others, then you are indeed wrong, in a free country.

That's a joke, right? Apparently this is your first 'gay' issues thread. ATS and the world is full of them!

What an injustice, people have opinions. And we can't have that can we? Lets label them all homophobes and claim that we don't have equal rights,
then we'll get a spot on the list for affirmative action, and we will be treated like a victimized minority. Great plan, genious actually!

That's a joke, right? Apparently this is your first 'gay' issues thread. ATS and the world is full of them!

What an injustice, people have opinions. And we can't have that can we? Lets label them all homophobes and claim that we don't have equal rights,
then we'll get a spot on the list for affirmative action, and we will be treated like a victimized minority. Great plan, genious actually!

You haven't addressed anything with this response.
If your sex life (involving two consenting adults) is legislated against, then you do not have equal rights.
What about that is so difficult for you to grasp?

You haven't addressed anything with this response.
If your sex life (involving two consenting adults) is legislated against, then you do not have equal rights.
What about that is so difficult for you to grasp?

Find me legislation that makes it illegal for 2 consenting adults to have sex. Post it here, please. Search for as long as you like, I am young and I
am willing to wait a loooong time.

I DON'T have the same rights as a straight man or woman. I could give a flying frak less whether or not you like or dislike my lifestyle, but I do
care if I have the right to openly defend my country (instead I had to hide who and what I was for 8 years), I do care if I have the right to marry
the person I love, I do care if I have the right to be the next of kin for the one I love.

Maybe you are Bi Sexual? I know I could never smooch with a man and raise a child with one. How did you have sex with your wife and run your fingers
over her skin if you did not have attraction for her? Or did your preference change over time? .

Personally I do not see it as a Choice. It is automatic. My body tells me what it finds pleasing. I do not see how other people do not get that. If
they would simply look at themselves and think of their wife or girlfriend or husband or boyfriend. What makes them have a physical attraction? It is
not a "choice" it is our bodies way of telling us what it wants.

I hope this does not sound racist but I am not attracted to MOST Asian women I meet. I am also not attracted to MOST Black women I meet. I AM
attracted to the majority of Hispanic women I meet.

That is not something I jotted down on paper and decided. It has ALWAYS been that way. The shape of the eyes the nose the lips. I think these kinds of
things are part of my genetics. Much like men and womens faces are vastly different in shape and appearance.

My bodies way of telling me where it finds pleasure is just to simply LOOK at different people. It is so very freaking COOL!

I have read about studies that show that people can recognize in a face if they find that person attractive or not in UNDER a second. Like HALF a
second of looking at a picture of a person and you can tell if you are attracted to them or not physically. That is amazing.

Just sit back and let your body tell you what it finds appealing. Heck even the difference between a higher voice or a lower voice can trigger arousal
in me! The difference between cologne and perfume. The feel of soft smooth skin of hairy rough skin. Different types of clothing turn me on! I find
leather to be a turn off even if it is a tight tiny mini skirt on a gorgeous supermodel. I just cannot stand leather. But satin or silk to me is very
appealing. The reason I do not like leather is not because of being against animal skin or something like that. I really cannot figure it out. I also
totally HATE leopard skin print. For no reason other than it is automatic.

You haven't addressed anything with this response.
If your sex life (involving two consenting adults) is legislated against, then you do not have equal rights.
What about that is so difficult for you to grasp?

Find me legislation that makes it illegal for 2 consenting adults to have sex. Post it here, please. Search for as long as you like, I am young and I
am willing to wait a loooong time.

They are denied the right to marriage, and they are denied this because they are in a homosexual relationship. It is considered a homosexual
relationship because it involves two members of the same sex who engage in sexual relations. Hence, the right to marriage is denied them because they
are copulating with a person of the same sex.

Therefore their right to marriage is legislated against based purely on their homosexual relations.

Being homosexual doesn't mean being gay. Being homosexual means you have a sexual preference for those of your own sex. Being gay means lattes,
i-phones, gaydar add ons for your i-phones, gaydar in general, Mini Coopers, A+F, pride, fake tans, fake hair, fake everything, shallowness,
shrillness, campness, bitchiness, the scene & all the rest of the gay crap.

Some of the sternest critics of the whole "gay thang" are homosexuals themselves. And quite right too. Gay rights & its vocal (and often publically
funded) community workers need a royal boot where the sun don't shine. The kids call things "gay" for a reason, but mainly cos the whole gay
lifestyle thing is just so naff. Being gay is an embarrassment.

That's no criticism of homosexuals ; I'm one myself.

And for every snowflake who agrees with you, there's half a hundred homosexuals who don't. That's why even today most homosexuals aren't open
about their sexuality. It's people like you ... those of the Queer today, Queer tmorro ... who are doing more to set back equality than even the most
conservative parts of the establishment.

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