I enjoyed the episode, but may have been the weakest of the season. Coincidentally enough, it may also have been one of the biggest departures from the book. Though I wonder about the Arya-Melisandre interaction... when Melisandre says "we will meet again"... was that made up fr the show, or something Martin made them privy to?

Highlights of the episode for me:

- The Blackfish quote I mentioned earlier- Climbing the wall (even if it had a bunch of extra drama added in for TV)- Varys and Littlefinger reflecting on spoiling each others plans. Love when these 2 share the screen.- Littlefinger's speech and subsequent tie-in back to climbing the wall

canaan wrote:Because she's not going to marry the Tyrell boy like she wanted and has to marry tyrion.

not sure how much of this is spoilery but to be safe:

Spoiler:

Tyrion is extremely ugly in the books and was really messed up in the attack in the siege where he lost almost half his face instead of a cool scar that Peter Dinklage, who isn't really at all ugly, has. Besides being a dwarf there is really nothing wrong with Tyrion in the show.

canaan wrote:Because she's not going to marry the Tyrell boy like she wanted and has to marry tyrion.

not sure how much of this is spoilery but to be safe:

Spoiler:

Tyrion is extremely ugly in the books and was really messed up in the attack in the siege where he lost almost half his face instead of a cool scar that Peter Dinklage, who isn't really at all ugly, has. Besides being a dwarf there is really nothing wrong with Tyrion in the show.

Spoiler:

Yeah reading through the books now, the show really bothers me, because he's supposed to be ugly and even before the battle his legs are supposed to be twisted and otherwise deformed. None of that in the show, he's just a dwarf. I guess they determined that it would make him more likeable more quickly this way though.

I have a question too...why were they climbing the wall? Why would some of the wildlings have climbed the wall many times in the past? Do they just like to look at the southern areas beyond the wall or do they carry out guerrila-style raids on the Night's Watch?

largegarlic wrote:I have a question too...why were they climbing the wall? Why would some of the wildlings have climbed the wall many times in the past? Do they just like to look at the southern areas beyond the wall or do they carry out guerrila-style raids on the Night's Watch?

When they reach the top of the wall, they are supposed to attach ropes to send down to build ladders, so the rest of the Wildlings can climb up.

canaan wrote:Because she's not going to marry the Tyrell boy like she wanted and has to marry tyrion.

Thank you

Was that Loris' ship leaving as she was crying or was it the ship that Littlefinger was supposed to have her sail away with him on?

His narrative was talking about opportunity lost and that's what made me think she was crying because she told him no, expecting to marry Loris (sp?) but now that she has to marry Tyrion, she regretted not going with Littlefinger.

canaan wrote:Because she's not going to marry the Tyrell boy like she wanted and has to marry tyrion.

Thank you

Was that Loris' ship leaving as she was crying or was it the ship that Littlefinger was supposed to have her sail away with him on?

His narrative was talking about opportunity lost and that's what made me think she was crying because she told him no, expecting to marry Loris (sp?) but now that she has to marry Tyrion, she regretted not going with Littlefinger.

I wonder how they are going to handle Sansa leaving Kings landing. I don't know why they didn't just stick with the Dontos storyline like in the books. It was mysterious, and had a better payoff. They even had an actor to play Dontos in season 2.

Maybe they will have it in season 4, but if they did that, why not do that from the start? Maybe they didn't want to stick with it for 2-3 season?