Comments on: 2014 Mets Top Prospects: No. 6 Wilmer Flores, 2Bhttps://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/02/2014-mets-top-prospects-no-6-wilmer-flores-2b.html/
Mon, 11 May 2015 23:08:00 +0000hourly1https://wordpress.org/?v=4.9.4By: yonkersmetshttps://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/02/2014-mets-top-prospects-no-6-wilmer-flores-2b.html/#comment-1264108
Sat, 08 Feb 2014 00:42:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=147304#comment-1264108I couldn’t help but laugh as I read this knock-fest and then I thought to myself, pete, when are you going to get to the part that justifies why he’s ranked 6th in our system? Never came. I’m not a big fan of this kid and I become less of a fan of his the more I read about him. Best bet is to give him some playing time and see what we can get for him in a trade later.
]]>By: Bennyhttps://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/02/2014-mets-top-prospects-no-6-wilmer-flores-2b.html/#comment-1263937
Fri, 07 Feb 2014 21:39:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=147304#comment-1263937No, I didn’t miss the point! You’re the one who is contradicting yourself stating, “No one can be accurately judged on 100pa’s,” yet that’s exactly what you’re doing!

“Plus you’re really reaching if you think a 700ops is clutch.”

Getting a walk in a clutch moment is not really something to be fond of, which is what you’re bringing to the table when speaking of OPS. Slugging is also not as important, since it doesn’t matter how he drives in the run, as long as he does. His BA is above average during these situations, which means he is coming through with hits in these situations.

Nothing Wilmer Flores did last year in the majors says anything about what he can do. No one can be accurately judged on 100pa’s.

Plus you’re really reaching if you think a 700ops is clutch. For a pitcher maybe, but for a position player it’s going to range from below average to average.

]]>By: 87xelAhttps://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/02/2014-mets-top-prospects-no-6-wilmer-flores-2b.html/#comment-1263758
Fri, 07 Feb 2014 18:57:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=147304#comment-1263758Zimmerman, Sandoval…think I just threw up in my mouth.
]]>By: mad methttps://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/02/2014-mets-top-prospects-no-6-wilmer-flores-2b.html/#comment-1263087
Fri, 07 Feb 2014 11:28:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=147304#comment-1263087We can add to that if they actually did get to the playoffs Ike nor duda are capable of hitting good pitching their power comes from feasting on mistakes/bad pitching
]]>By: pumazhttps://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/02/2014-mets-top-prospects-no-6-wilmer-flores-2b.html/#comment-1262928
Thu, 06 Feb 2014 22:32:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=147304#comment-1262928excellent point, we should not concern ourselves with 10-15 home runs being light, its not the home runs, its the productive at bats and rbi situations which count. it is also conceivable every player in the lineup sans tejada could hit 10-15+ home runs and if they signed drew, and legares starts, that’s legit.
]]>By: Andrew Herbsthttps://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/02/2014-mets-top-prospects-no-6-wilmer-flores-2b.html/#comment-1262888
Thu, 06 Feb 2014 21:41:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=147304#comment-1262888I think we should let Flores get some time at 1st. I want to see what he can do. We need to find a place for him in the lineup.
]]>By: Matlackhttps://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/02/2014-mets-top-prospects-no-6-wilmer-flores-2b.html/#comment-1262832
Thu, 06 Feb 2014 20:50:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=147304#comment-1262832Yeah, me too. It’s nice to have some plus defensive options for that spacious park and its nooks and crannies. I think the brass sees CBY as a call option to either sell high mid-season or offer a QO if he does a bang-up job, or allow the 7.25mm premium to expire worthless. In 2 of the 3 outcomes, they will extract surplus value. Not a terrible way to look at it, in my view. He’ll likely play everyday, whether in RF, CF, or both.

Pleasure talking baseball with you.

]]>By: EzRiderhttps://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/02/2014-mets-top-prospects-no-6-wilmer-flores-2b.html/#comment-1262791
Thu, 06 Feb 2014 20:26:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=147304#comment-1262791I won’t disagree with anything you said. I was really rooting for Kirk as i am now with DenDekker. MDD and CBY would make for the perfect platoon or if they send Lagares down (for whatever crazy reason) and EYjr/DenDekker platoon.
]]>By: Matlackhttps://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/02/2014-mets-top-prospects-no-6-wilmer-flores-2b.html/#comment-1262774
Thu, 06 Feb 2014 19:57:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=147304#comment-1262774Yes.
]]>By: Matlackhttps://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/02/2014-mets-top-prospects-no-6-wilmer-flores-2b.html/#comment-1262771
Thu, 06 Feb 2014 19:55:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=147304#comment-1262771Yes it is. He certainly looks the part, and is a terrific athlete. MLB pitchers figured him out easily, though, and he can’t adapt. Hate to say it, because I like the guy, but his ceiling may be 5th outfielder on a second division club. Quintessential 4A guy. I’m a lot higher on den Dekker, who may be quite a useful player as the long side of a platoon and defensive replacement. Seems like a very intelligent baserunner, too.
]]>By: Matlackhttps://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/02/2014-mets-top-prospects-no-6-wilmer-flores-2b.html/#comment-1262767
Thu, 06 Feb 2014 19:45:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=147304#comment-1262767Generally agree, though I would say the pitch recognition issues are somewhat a function of the length and movement of the swing. He can either load, or have hands out of the hitting position, but not both. If his hands are in the hitting position to start, then I think he may have slightly more time to hone pitch recognition skills. In theory, anyway.
]]>By: EzRiderhttps://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/02/2014-mets-top-prospects-no-6-wilmer-flores-2b.html/#comment-1262759
Thu, 06 Feb 2014 19:38:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=147304#comment-1262759Well the quickness is to be determined and it would all rely on his first step read of the ball off the bat. His ranginess could be further helped by playing alongside someone like Lagares. We’ve all watched Pujols, Chipper and Holiday play LF. They all were limited but made 90% of the plays. (I’m not officially comparing him to them, those were the names that popped up as out of place LF’ers).

But i do see where you are coming from.

]]>By: EzRiderhttps://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/02/2014-mets-top-prospects-no-6-wilmer-flores-2b.html/#comment-1262747
Thu, 06 Feb 2014 19:25:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=147304#comment-1262747It’s a shame. I like the Football mentality he plays with coupled with speed (20+SB), power(15-20 HR) and defense for all three OF spots. I just wish he could have cut down on the SO and he would have been a perfect LH platoon partner for CBY and all around fourth OF. I’m afraid DenDekker may be sliding into this class also. I really want to see him go to AAA and work on his all around game. I really think the injuries are slowing these kids progression.
]]>By: Hodges14https://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/02/2014-mets-top-prospects-no-6-wilmer-flores-2b.html/#comment-1262738
Thu, 06 Feb 2014 19:03:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=147304#comment-1262738I’ll give Duda a pass. He’s never had an extended period of time at first base but Davis has had more than enough chances.
]]>By: mr. belvederehttps://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/02/2014-mets-top-prospects-no-6-wilmer-flores-2b.html/#comment-1262737
Thu, 06 Feb 2014 19:00:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=147304#comment-1262737and why does 1B have to be a power first? Ike and Duda are terrible
]]>By: ThatGuyWhoLeavesCommentshttps://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/02/2014-mets-top-prospects-no-6-wilmer-flores-2b.html/#comment-1262735
Thu, 06 Feb 2014 18:58:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=147304#comment-1262735I don’t think Flores will play 1B unless both Duda and Ike completely stink it up. And even then I think they’ll let Duda and Satin platoon over Flores.

I think you let Flores play SS during ST and hope he can beat out Tejada. If he can’t, then you put Flores at SS every day in AAA and if Tejada can’t hack it, call up Flores and let him play. Worry about the defense later.

]]>By: mr. belvederehttps://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/02/2014-mets-top-prospects-no-6-wilmer-flores-2b.html/#comment-1262736
Thu, 06 Feb 2014 18:58:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=147304#comment-1262736did you see Ike and Duda play last year? Ike was an automatic out and Duda hit like a pitcher with RISP last year…Flores and/or Murphy is not ideal at 1B but they are both way better than Ike and Duda…and it’s more important to have Murphy and Flores getting all the AB’s
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Thu, 06 Feb 2014 18:55:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=147304#comment-1262733Realistic if he gets reps at the position in AAA first.
]]>By: ThatGuyWhoLeavesCommentshttps://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/02/2014-mets-top-prospects-no-6-wilmer-flores-2b.html/#comment-1262732
Thu, 06 Feb 2014 18:53:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=147304#comment-1262732I just think he’d be the equivalent of putting Murphy or Duda in LF. If he doesn’t have the range or quickness or SS, no way he can run something down in the gap.
]]>By: oleosmirfhttps://metsmerizedonline.com/2014/02/2014-mets-top-prospects-no-6-wilmer-flores-2b.html/#comment-1262727
Thu, 06 Feb 2014 18:46:00 +0000http://metsmerizedonline.com/?p=147304#comment-1262727“if Flores can do .275/.340/.420”

I would love to see that too, but given his minor league walk rates, he would need to bat about .305 to get to .340…

I wish you guys would understand that a .280/.325 hitter with 10-15 HR would be a considered a very poor offensive 1B and that despite their issues last season, one of Duda or Ike is likely to surpass that in 2014.

Now once Flores adds some bulk and can’t play 2B anymore, by all means move him to 1B, but until then you have to take advantage of his ability to play 2B. It’s that big of a deal.