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I was listening to NPR today and they were interviewing a retired Boston cop , he thinks that there may be a need to look at how and on what authority the Boston police department took over 20 blocks of homes and searched each one without warrants .

I questioned this too, (I think MissP called me Rand Paul). I couldnt believe they were going through so many houses without warrants...and what would happen if a resident refused entry. OR what would happen if the polic saw a bag of cocaine on the table during one of the searches. But I read later that the searches were really only "voluntary", and that a resident could in fact refuse it. Although I dont think anyone did of course.

I questioned this too, (I think MissP called me Rand Paul). I couldnt believe they were going through so many houses without warrants...and what would happen if a resident refused entry. OR what would happen if the polic saw a bag of cocaine on the table during one of the searches. But I read later that the searches were really only "voluntary", and that a resident could in fact refuse it. Although I dont think anyone did of course.

I think the scope of the thing is whats in question , the police dept enacted something akin to marshal law in a large portion of Water Town , its a matter of law , not one of did everyone agree with the decision to do it , and on who's authority .

I think they'd have to yank all of your out and put fake ones in since it looks like a truck hit you.

Yeah but it looks like someone thought your face was on fire and tried to put it out with a hatchett and then the hatchett broke so they used a shovel, but then your nose swole on up and stayed that way.

Yeah but it looks like someone thought your face was on fire and tried to put it out with a hatchett and then the hatchett broke so they used a shovel, but then your nose swole on up and stayed that way.

I don't think you should make fun of someone with Zerit-induced lipoatrophy followed by large amounts of dermal fillers on a forum about AIDS. Bad form, dear. Your teeth, on the other hand, indicate a life spent in a meth lab.

Yeah but it looks like someone thought your face was on fire and tried to put it out with a hatchett and then the hatchett broke so they used a shovel, but then your nose swole on up and stayed that way.

She has the upper hand: she's younger and, unlike you, still has both testicles.

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Says the queen who goes around taking (at least) 6 years off her REAL age.

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I think the scope of the thing is whats in question , the police dept enacted something akin to marshal law in a large portion of Water Town , its a matter of law , not one of did everyone agree with the decision to do it , and on who's authority .

I just thought it was an intriguing interview .

There was no "marshal law". The shelter in place request was voluntary - you could see folks walking about Boston on TV throughout. At least outside the crime scenes on Boyleston St. And in areas of Watertown.. The residents of greater Boston, were happy to help out, and allow the police to capture the bad guys. Monday morning quarterbacking from1,000 miles away seems a bit unnecessary. Everyone I have spoken with from the area are filled with praise for law enforcement.

There was no "marshal law". The shelter in place request was voluntary - you could see folks walking about Boston on TV throughout. At least outside the crime scenes on Boyleston St. And in areas of Watertown.. The residents of greater Boston, were happy to help out, and allow the police to capture the bad guys. Monday morning quarterbacking from1,000 miles away seems a bit unnecessary. Everyone I have spoken with from the area are filled with praise for law enforcement.

Wasn't there a recent court case about letting police into your home without a warrant and the police finding something illegal??? I suppose I will have to google it. I remember some case like that. I think it had to do with if police enter your home for a domestic disturbance issue, or something like that.

The person who had this concern is a retired boston police officer , not a 1000 miles away .

I've not thought out completely to have a solid opinion but I do hope that law enforcement follows the law so that when they catch bad guys its a clean prosecutable case .

Well -- once I hear a complaint from one of the citizens involved, vs. an arm chair monday morning quarterback, I'll start to give this a little thought. Millions and millions of people were watching the whole thing unfold -- including, I would guess, folks from orgs. like the Civil Liberties Union -- if there were any legal questions, I think they would have made front page news everywhere. There will always be some folks with axes to grind against the gov't who will see evil no matter what it does.

I wonder if this self-reported "retired' Boston cop is, at all related to the suspects mother?? You know this was all a set-up by the gov't.

Well -- once I hear a complaint from one of the citizens involved, vs. an arm chair monday morning quarterback, I'll start to give this a little thought. Millions and millions of people were watching the whole thing unfold -- including, I would guess, folks from orgs. like the Civil Liberties Union -- if there were any legal questions, I think they would have made front page news everywhere. There will always be some folks with axes to grind against the gov't who will see evil no matter what it does.

I wonder if this self-reported "retired' Boston cop is, at all related to the suspects mother?? You know this was all a set-up by the gov't.

In contrast, I think there will be a lot of discussion about the lockdown, when people have time to discuss it cooly. Think longish, intellectual articles. The discussion is hardly limited to legal or constitutional issues. Its a startling new development in the US's "war on terror". Other countries have not, to date, responded in this way. Theres been some media chatter already comparing the lockdown to how Israel, France, and English have dealt with terror.

I've heard arguments that the Israeli's will examine the crime scene, clean up the blood, and go back to normal quickly, and without excessive drama in the response. There are those who say, perhaps the US can sometimes overreact to terrorism, which, they argue, feeds the terrorist troll - who's objective is to provoke mayhem and reaction.

These two trolls got a LOT of bang for their acts.

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On the other hand, if I had been in Boston I would have appreciated the city officially giving me leave to stay at home, and keep my kids at home. If there are mysterious deadly maniacs running around, its only human.

Also, it is a combination of citizen observation and massive police attention, that found Jahar. If the lockdown had stayed in effect, the homeowner wouldn't have found him, and he may well have died in the boat. No answers. Or rallied and gone on a rampage. But, the police were close already, and could move quickly I suppose in part because of the freed up public space...

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I think that's healthy skepticism, Remy. As long as it does not veer off into loony conspiracies. One of reasons the story isn't cohesive is that the story isn't known yet, so there simply a lot of speculation by police, government, FBI, the media, and the blogosphere.

For example - a one hour shoot out was reported to get Jahar. There was the dramatic "artists rendering" of him shooting out of the boat. Hundred of bullets fired his way. Now its reported, he was unarmed. So, the story is incomplete.

Every citizen needs some critical skills as to public information - media, government, etc.

Remember the bogus Jessica Lynch heroic story.

You might enjoy Ken Burns The Central Park Five - about the vested interests in believing the false story about the guys who were wrongly convicted of rape and murder.

I suppose I'm in the minority because I applaud people like that cop in Boston who said what a great job the police dept did but also raised some questions .

You nalled it. What is remarkable is the ever increasing inability of the US and Americans to consider nuanced reasoning, where seemingly contradictory observations may have value. People seem to want black and white binaries... I believe Senators are fleeing government because of this..

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I guess most cultures are filled with people who like the black and white answers. Obviously its not just Americans.

Maybe its that these decades, Americans are asking A LOT of questions, and facing some stark challenges (and not always badly... ) so its part of the process that people grumble about the lack of clear answers, and pine for them.

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“Under Kissinger a plan was hatched that two to three billion people on our planet would have to be [killed],” Farrakhan proclaimed in his weekly address. ”But the people that Kissinger — and the U.S. government agreed with Mr. Kissinger — these people who would be killed would be in the Third World. But since this culling has many third world people in industrialized countries, in would start as well in the industrialized countries.”

From there, Farrakhan became more specific, asking some odd questions and waging pointed accusations at the U.S. government:

“Could this be why, in Africa, AIDS is slaughtering black men and women by the tens of thousands, particularly in those areas where the mineral resources of that area is necessary to keep America in power in this 21st century? Could it be that this is why black women in America are said to be the number one carrier of the [AIDS] virus? Could this be that 30 years ago when the birthrate of blacks was outstripping the birthrate of whites — so much so that demographers said by 2050 blacks would either be equal to the population of whites or greater than their population — and they didn’t stand still on those figures? They went to work with eugenics and Planned Parenthood and pills that aborted children. And it was concentrated in the black community. At that time, the Hispanics were not the ones that were the majority of the minority populations. It was the blacks.”

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Is this serious? You never know when MP starts a topic:)I read this Kissinger theory some years ago and thought it was just another weird conspiracy theory.It would be terrible if it should be true, I hope it isn't.Kissinger is quite a media star here, because he was born in Germany and speaks fluent german.I wouldnt put it past him.

Is this serious? You never know when MP starts a topic:)I read this Kissinger theory some years ago and thought it was just another weird conspiracy theory.It would be terrible if it should be true, I hope it isn't.Kissinger is quite a media star here, because he was born in Germany and speaks fluent german.I wouldnt put it past him.

Do you know who Farrakhan is? If not, Google him. He' a crackpot. But yes one supposes he believes his own conspiracy rants...

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I think the US government invented AIDS and spread it around the world on purpose.

I believe that wholeheartedly. They also flooded the inner cities with crack cocaine so that Black and Latino minorities could be destroyed.

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"I have tried hard--but life is difficult, and I am a very useless person. I can hardly be said to have an independent existence. I was just a screw or a cog in the great machine I called life, and when I dropped out of it I found I was of no use anywhere else."

I believe that wholeheartedly. They also flooded the inner cities with crack cocaine so that Black and Latino minorities could be destroyed.

I knew a guy who was a medic during the Vietnam conflict who claimed that the CIA were stuffing body bags headed back to the US with Asian heroin - to flood the inner cities with heroin so that Black and Latino communities could be destroyed. (RIP Buddy)

"...health will finally be seen not as a blessing to be wished for, but as a human right to be fought for." Kofi Annan

Nymphomaniac: a woman as obsessed with sex as an average man. Mignon McLaughlin

HIV is certainly character-building. It's made me see all of the shallow things we cling to, like ego and vanity. Of course, I'd rather have a few more T-cells and a little less character. Randy Shilts

How very sad that less than 2 weeks after the bombings, this thread has turned into a strike on the gov't and law enforcement, rather than the bombers or remembering the victims. I suppose we would we talking about the inept gov't if they hadn't caught them. Either way some folks here would be putting on their tinfoil and calling it "nuanced thinking".M

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) says that the Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated the Obama administration and frankly I must agree! Between that and the fact that al Queda has set up camps with the drug cartels in Mexico I'm simply beside myself.

After the war, the Kosovo Liberation Army (KLA) took unwanted dangerous Serbs (including POWs and recent kidnaps) to a Yellow House harvested their organs, killed them and sold the organs on the black market. So I'm remembering the Symbionese Liberation Army and Patty Hearst and "homegrown" terrorism of the 60's and 70's.

I fully agree that Al Qaeda is implicated in organ harvesting and has a sleeper program to produce sleeper agents, Americanized children who will become doctors and nurses in America and use American bodies for their true value - meat.... First, organ harvesting, hush hush, but eventually the master plan is revealed. Al Qaeda will be secretly in charge of the medical/defense conglomerate that has the contract for organ harvesting in American prisons. (A venture capital investment by Mid-East monarchies, cause they know Peak Oil is true and they will need revenue.) Johar switched his major to Nursing, recently..

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Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) says that the Muslim Brotherhood has infiltrated the Obama administration and frankly I must agree! Between that and the fact that al Queda has set up camps with the drug cartels in Mexico I'm simply beside myself.

"I have tried hard--but life is difficult, and I am a very useless person. I can hardly be said to have an independent existence. I was just a screw or a cog in the great machine I called life, and when I dropped out of it I found I was of no use anywhere else."