The core pillar of Vedic Dharma is Matruvat Paradareshu – All women are my mother. Even husband and wife are supposed to love each other in same manner as a cow loves its newborn calf.

To regard a woman as deserving anything except the respect that we accord to our mother is a recipe for doom. To depict or exploit women for lustful purpose deserves harshest punishment as per Vedas. A society that commoditizes women is bound to breed terrorism, violence, hatred, tragedies, fear and death. The best example is the world today.

Western world, with its obsession for immoral lifestyle, is becoming a society of maniacs and psychopaths. The Muslim world is becoming breeding ground for terrorists and fanatics because women are not allowed to have competence and authority to act as first teachers of the child. Hindus are a society of contradictions. Though they know their foundations of Vedas vaguely, the genes of slavery for 1000 years and tendency to seek solutions from outside rather than inside make Hindus as hypocritical as the western world. Thus while Hindus would agree to consider woman as mother, many a fools would go to any length to prohibit for woman the right to recite Vedas or perform rituals. Due to such a mindset, it is a matter of utter shame that the land that preserved Vedas for millenniums cannot boast of better quality of life, status and education for women compared to men.

Vedic code of law asserts that punishment is more severe for the more capable. Thus it is perfectly in sync with natural laws that Bharat aka India is among the most spineless nations of the world. What more can you expect from the land of sages when half the female population is illiterate, gender ratio is significantly skewed, bigamy laws are virtually non-enforceable, rape does not carry death-penalty and even ministers indulge in such acts and even educated women are denied rights to study Vedas by those claiming to be defendants of Dharma. And that when symbolically woman is worshipped as Goddess in popular mythology!

Vedas however have a different stand. As per Vedic Dharma, the first and foremost criteria for success of a society is that women are accorded the high respect thatthey rightly deserve. Without that eventhe otherwise noble deeds would be fruitless. The Vedic Woman has to be respected as Mother. Period.

Saraswati, Mata, Usha, Aditi or Devi do not refer to some divine forms that no one ever witnessed. On contrary, they refer to the woman living on this earth. It is mark of a fool to discard the diamonds in his home and pray for pebbles to be showered from skies!

So instead of offering dhoop to a Durga sitting on a lion, society would be performing true worship of the divine if it works to make each woman among us into a brave warrior and leader. Instead of offering batasha to a Saraswati sitting on a lotus, we need to work towards nurturing Vedic experts from woman who enlighten the society and stay above the garbage of society like on a lotus. Instead of chanting ‘Jai Mata Di’, we need to proclaim loudly and proudly that we would respect ALL women as our mothers through thoughts, words and actions – regardless of age, caste, religion, geography etc.

The status of woman as MOTHER, in Vedic culture, is accorded not only to an aged lady or someone who has a physical child but to a female in general – be she a child, girl, youth or elderly. This is because a woman acts as mother in a variety to ways beyond biological motherhood. The family or society becomes worth civilized living because of presence of woman. Criminal or immoral tendencies are significantly reduced due to woman. If you review any statistics on crimes, narcotics, abusive language, violence etc, this fact would become evident. A woman brings us gift of noble innate qualities. It is upon all of us now to decide whether to benefit from them or plan our own destruction by refusing to respect the motherly woman.

Here are a few mantras from Vedas on glory of Woman – the Mother. May we take inspiration from them and accord all women the respect that they rightly deserve. And may all women inspire themselves to get rid of all ignorant acts and rise up to fulfill the great responsibility that they owe to the society.

Rigveda 10.17.10: O Mothers! Purify us with your compassion, understanding and enlightenment. The women cleanse us all from all our sins, corruption and defects. We come out firm, pure and noble from their blessed company.

Yajurveda 6.17: O pure and blessing Mothers! Cleanse us all from sins, immorality and pollution. Purge us from falsehood, hatred, jealousy and frustrations.

Rigveda 6.61.7: O enlightening Mother! You have the potential to destroy the evil. You have a character as pure as gold. You have the potential to destroy the clouds of frustrations and doubt. You are brave and you only aspire for our well-being and success! We are indeed blessed!

Atharvaveda 7.68.2: O enlightening Mother! May you always shower your blessings in form of peace, happiness and success. May you always be pleased with us and may we never conduct any act that excludes us from your blessing gaze.

Rigveda 1.113.6: O enlightening blessing Mother! May you inspire us into the path of valor and protection of nation, society and world. May you inspire us to conduct vigorous efforts for well-being of all. May you inspire us to conduct selfless noble deeds or Yajna. May you inspire us to seek economic prosperity for all of us through sustainable means. May you inspire us to enlighten the entire society with knowledge. May you do so for entire world regardless of false divisions of gender, geography, birth, beliefs, religions etc.

Rigveda 1.113.19: O life-giving enlightening Mother! May all noble people respect you and you guide them as mother. May you be the protector of society, nation and world. May you glow as the flag of all noble, virtuous and spiritual actions. May you eradicate the darkness of ignorance through the brilliance of your knowledge. May you teach us Vedic wisdom in actions and emotions. May you be mother for entire world and provide us new birth through knowledge and compassion. In this manner, lead us into the path of glory and prosperity.

Rigveda 7.75.2: O enlightening Mother! Inspire us into the path of the noble ones and gift us with success. Guide us into tremendous glory and enormous prosperity through virtuous deeds. With your blessings, may we desire for fame that comes through noble actions. And do it RIGHT NOW!

Rigveda 7.77.4:O enlightening Mother! Cleanse us of the feeling of enmity within us. Strengthen the path of generosity and eradicate all meanness from us. Thus, bring us prosperity and inspire us into the path of success through positivity.

Rigveda 8.18.6: O pure-hearted noble Mother! Gift us with intellect and emotional quotient. Get rid of our hypocrisy. Cleanse us of our sins and inspire us to conduct noble acts in all circumstances.

Rigveda 8.18.7: May the pure life-giving enlightening woman be respected as mother everyday so that she provides us with peace and eradicates all hatred from the society.

Rigveda 8.67.12: O Mother! You conduct noble actions and have a pure mind. Cleanse us of our sins and provide us path of success. Inspire us to lead a life full of progress, compassion and honesty.

Atharvaveda 7.6.4: We want tremendous power. Hence we please motherly pure woman with our noble words and actions. She is as patient as the wide sky. She shall remove our miseries and provide us shelter in all situations.

Rigveda 10.59.5: O life-giving Mother! Provide us with strong will-power and noble intellect. Propel us to prolong our lives with noble actions. May we enlighten the world as sun. May you nourish us with happiness.

Rigveda 10.59.6: O life-giving Mother! Bless us with eyes that see noble and life that conducts noble actions. May we always work for progress and enjoy bliss. May our intellect be always pure and virtuous.

Yajurveda 35.21: O patient Mother! May you provide us happiness and support. May you provide us fame and bliss. May you destroy our sins and purify us.

Yajurveda 6.36: O Mother! May the society appreciate your potential. May they seek your blessings from east, west, north, south and everywhere. And may you bless them with prosperity and happiness.

Yajurveda 11.68: O Mother! Protect us from infighting. Protect us from violence and hatred. Propel us to conduct noble acts of valor. May we together conduct virtuous acts alone.

Rigveda 1.22.11: May the noble mothers and wives of noble persons remain always prosperous and bless us with happiness and bliss.

Yajurveda 12.15: If you desire brilliance, approach the mother. With her blessing, be the scholar of all subjects. Do not aggrieve the mother. Enlighten yourself with pure blessings of the noble mother.

May these pearls of wisdom inspire us all to lay foundation of a society that respects and nurtures women to conduct their duties as mothers of entire humanity. May the women never deviate from this glorious path. May we never deviate from lowering our respect for the motherly woman. And may we all work together to annihilate – within and outside us – all those forces that attempt to cause such deviations.

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Namaste Agniveer! I agree that women deserve our good thoughts, words and deeds. You correctly explain the power women have in our lives. They are not objects, but teachers, soldiers, judges. Yet the opinion that women are property owned by someone, even if the opinion is then rejected, at least explains how they wrongfully become enjoyed by others. (Manu 8, 149)

Men are protectors and maintainers of women; women must be devoutly obedient, if not then beat them… 4:34 You can’t go to a mosque intoxicated or after having touched a woman… 4:43 A prayer is annulled by a passing woman, a dog and a monkey; Aisha complained that Muhammad had made women dogs…1.9.490, 493,498 Marriage gives a man the right to enjoy a woman’s private…

Dear Agniveerji, on your view of permitting women to Chant the vedas. As you know, the vedas use padam for chanting in three different tones. These should be chanted perfectly , along with the proper mantra and pronunciation. I have been learning the Yajur Veda for sometime now. It takes a lot of energy and effort to chant it properly. The main reason why women are not allowed to CHANT the vedas is because the Veda swaras generated from the nabhi or the abdomen can actually harm a woman. This can lead to complications during pregnancy and women anatomy is not designed to withstand strong vibrations from within. Now this is disputable. You may ask is there any scientific proof. Well, there is none! but it is more of an experience than a study.

Secondly Veda adhyayana demands that you learn from a Guru and this is difficult for a woman, to stay away from home and learn the Vedas and serving the Guru as well.

BUT WOMEN ARE “NOT” PROHIBITED TO READ THE COMMENTARIES OF THE VEDAS AND THEY ARE ALLOWED TO LISTEN TO THE VEDAS.

Finally, the very purpose of acquiring the vedas is to understand it’s meaning and implement and women have NO barriers to this.

If you accept that the 4 vedas have the complete knowledge about the creation, including sentinent and insentinent bodies, there would have been atleast a single sukta/manthra about not permitting women for vedic chanting. Instead we find a manthra in yajurved (second manthra of chapter 26)that says, vedas should be read and preached by all the four varnas, ladies, servants and even persons lower than shudras.

Women can and should chant the Vedas. There is no harm in it. It is rather most beneficial. If some body prohibits it for the woman, it is injustice. Such senseless prohibitions should go now. Maharshi Dayananda has very rightly declared that the Vedas are meant for the entire humanity, including women. There are many orthodox Hindu acharyas, and Shankaracharyas who are still nor ready to accept the truth and advocate in vain such insensible thing. Bhavesh Merja

Pranamji… This is total misundersyanding that Vedic mantras may harm womens health. I m regularly reading ved loudly in Sanskrit as it is n i m enjoying the Samskrit n meaning of Ved in sanskrit. It uplifted mi spiritually without any harm….. Its our Indians badluck that many misunderstanding about Ved, Yog, n pranayam r spread in society. Fortunatly Swami Ramdevji hs made it easy n accesable to all humans..

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I get you are a Muslim, so let me know if you can answer my questions.

I have some serious questions that I often pose to religious persons. But unfortunately people don’t give satisfactory answers.

How do you know if your God is the true God? How do you know if your religion is the true religion? Have you ever thought your religion maybe a false religion? What is unique in Quran that force you to believe in it? Why do you choose to believe in Islam as there are so many religions?

I have some serious questions that I often pose to religious persons. But unfortunately people don’t give satisfactory answers.

How do you know if your God is the true God? How do you know if your religion is the true religion? Have you ever thought your religion maybe a false religion? What is unique in your religious book that force you to believe in it? Why do you choose to believe in Hinduism as there are so many religions?

Stop spamming all the threads with the same questions. Pick one thread. These threads are not for your questions that have nothing to do with the article at hand. They have a topic that you are diverting from.

Your questions are indeed valid and most important of those that every thinking person can pose. I had all these questions and no so-called holy scriptures including the Puranas (4000yrs), Zend Avesta (3000yrs), Torah (2600yrs), Bible 2000yrs), Quran (1400yrs), Guru Granth (600yrs), etc. could satisfactorily answer these.

Incidentally, I became an atheist but still had not lost the hope of discovering the absolute truth.

Then one fine day I happened to land on Agniveer.com and perused through the articles dealing with the Vedas vis-à-vis all other scriptures and found out that the Vedas contain universal truths, universal values and universal justice in thought, belief and actions. I had no refutations to offer.

Thereafter, I read Swami Dayanand’s Satyarth Prakash cover to cover which changed my thoughts overnight. I became a different person. I quit my bad habits thereby replacing them with recommended habits and by and by I realised that I was an evolved person.

I credit my maturity to that one single book which I would happily place over the Gita any single day.

I would also appreciate Agniveer.com for reintroducing me to Swami Dayanand who can be considered to be the last known emancipated soul in recent history. I am using the word reintroducing because during my formative years in school, I found only a small paragraph which talked about the life and achievements of this great soul but Agniveer.com introduced me to that great soul in a real fashion.

@admin, please do not allow anybody to discuss any other book or religion except veda and hindu dharma. this sanatani is interested in islam more than any other religion. he is not intrested in veda so please tell him that it is vedic site. here is my question to [email protected], how many years old are veda? was there any other language before veda?

how many rishis have received veda? can anybody receive veda today? what is the historical evidence of veda? what will happen with the peoples who were on this earth before veda?

how many vedas are present on earth? if anyone claim to any new shloak that it is new veda and he is rishi then how could you check?

if a rishi can receive veda then why Maharishi has not received veda? what qualities maharishi moolshankar was missing? why there are contradictory mantras in veda? why there are different names of rishis in veda? who were kiktas? why veda ordering its followers to kill kiktas so brutally? who are ved nindak?

why there is no guidance regarding divorce in veda? is divorce necessary for human society? if yes then why it is not mentioned in veda and not practiced by hindu before HINDU marriage act?

@anti-agn ___________how many years old are veda__________ Veda are eternal. Universal truths are eternal. ____________was there any other language before veda___________ Vedic language is mother of all languages. ______________how many rishis have received veda_________ There is no limitation like that only 1 person can have the right to know the truth/Veda. Counting is impossible how many person received Veda or came to know the truth universal truth since eternity. _________can anybody receive veda today_________ Yes, people are receiving even today. Newton came to know about principal of gravitation. ____________how many vedas are present on earth__________ There are many universal truth like God is one, earth rotate around the sun, matter is inert, etc .etc. . Counting is not possible. _________why Maharishi has not received veda_________ Maharishi also received Veda . Maharishi also came to know that True God will not make a fuss about idol worship and formless worship or even non-worship. True God won’t crave for recognition from his own creation. Are u ready to discuss about Islam? I will prove you Islam is false. Mohammed was a looter, pedophilia, narcissist, child-abuser. Quran is full of absurdities.

@sanatani, you have intentionally skipped some questions ? First answer them then ill give you some more questions as i have already promised.

your answers are contradictory and have no meaning….it means everything is veda. where are rig. yajurveda? If we ask concept of God according to veda then you start refering to yajur, atharva etc.. if those Sanskrit books are veda then you want to say that those came on later stages of humanity’ and still Sanskrit is mother of all languages ? But yes you have not mentioned sanskrit in your answer..wow what a game of deceiving by using butiful words??? Listen common man is not intelligent enough to understand these game of words.

@anti-agni __________you have intentionally skipped some questions_________ I think you talking about them. _______why there are contradictory mantras in veda? why there are different names of rishis in veda? who were kiktas?_________ You are talking about books. Then I refer you agniveer article deals with same subject like Who wrote the Vedas? Several Rishis of a single Mantra etc .etc.http://agniveer.com/who-wrote-vedas/

__________who are ved nindak_______ The people who are against law against corruption, rape, child marry, sex with child girl, sex slavery, terrorism, killing of innocent, looting, theft etc. In simple words Who are against humanity are Ved Nindak.

Are u ready to discuss about Islam? I will prove you Islam is false. Mohammed was a looter, pedophilia, narcissist, child-abuser. Quran is full of absurdities.

@anti-agn ______________ you aren’t answering but refering___________ Answer is in the link. Click on the link. ________why are you saying them books_________ I did not understand this. Are these not book? Book comprises of papers. We can tear the papers. To confirm these are books try to tear. ___________Those books are not veda________ Veda Mantra written on Papers are not Veda but Ved Sahita. Ved Sahita can be destroyed. This is like someone says puen chieewed saes hjehd but did not understand meaning of it. Brother these very deep subject. Firstly we need to destroy Islam otherwise our country will be on the track of Pakistan, Afganistan. Islam has destroyed these country. My focus is on to do end of Islamism from the heart of people. We need to eradicate fear of people that there is God like Allah exist who makes fuss about idol worship and formless worship or even non-worship and who requires postmen/prophet to deliver the massage. True God won’t crave for recognition from his own creation.

Are u ready to discuss about Islam? I will prove you Islam is false. Mohammed was a looter, pedophilia, narcissist, child-abuser. Quran is full of absurdities.

@anti-agni Visitors come here not interested to discuss about truthseekr/falsehoodseeker/sanatan dharma / etc. etc who am I who are u.. but want to discuss about truth and universal truth, You are follower of Islam. If you think Islam is only true religion why do not you want to discuss Islam with me. And about my belief in Veda I believe whatever leads us to humanity, science is Veda. I am not talking bookish interpretation of Mantra. You have asked about How old are Veda. For me universal truths which are called in Sanskrit Veda are eternal. Are u ready to discuss about Islam? I will prove you Islam is false. Mohammed was a looter, pedophilia, narcissist, child-abuser. Quran is full of absurdities.

This is the main site Center for the Study of Political Islam http://www.cspipublishing.com/ See the bottom “Six Views of Islam” books the six being Islam’s doctrinal views on Jews, Christians, Polytheists/Hindus, Intellectuals, Military law enforcement and intelligence, and the sixth Political Islam.

I am genuinely not interested in influencing your stance in any way. I think the Arya Samaj has also expressed its desire to debate ZN, but if there is no response from the other side, then you cannot force a live debate on him. In as far as the Kandhamal violence is considered, Jerry needs to be enlightened about the dirty tricks employed by the Christian missionaries. They exploit the fissures in the Hindu societies by pitting one community against the other and also target Hindu leaders who are actively engaged in bringing back the tribals to their original faith. In Northeastern India, especially in Christian majority states of Nagaland, Mizoram, and Meghalaya, Hindus are not able to celebrate their religious festivals due to harassment by Christian terrorist groups. In Tripura, the NLFT has targeted Swamis and temples for attacks. They are also known to have forcefully converted Hindus to Christianity. The Baptist Church of Tripura is alleged to have supplied the NLFT with arms and financial support and to have encouraged the murder of Hindus, particularly infants. In Assam, members of the primarily Christian Hmar ethnic group have placed bloodstained crosses in temples and forced Hindus to convert at gunpoint. Search for Christian fundamentalism and find out more and see if you have it in you to castigate their actions. BTW, would you also be vocal enough to condemn the Christian fundamentalists who attacked the Hindus in Russia, Trinidad and Tobago, and even in the USA where dotbusters target Hindus?

The suggestion for starting a new website was first made when some posters claimed that their posts were being deliberately deleted. In any case, you will be dealt with appropriately, and in all likelihood, you will not face any ban here.

If you fail to understand the underlying philosophy of Hindu scriptures, then instead of claiming that the grapes are sour, try to identify the deficiencies of your intellect. In far as your suggestions are concerned, I think people have their own ways of dealing with things. Not everyone needs to follow your example. People decide which path they take. If you believe in fighting the lion in its den, that’s your call. Others might just want to waylay it and pounce upon it at an appropriate time. As I said, different people have different ways of doing things. What suits you need not necessarily suit me.

What constitutes divinity? Somebody claiming at the top of his voice that he is the son of God is what divinity all about?

I oppose your proposed moratorium on such debates citing the immaturity of Indians on the ground that people cannot stay immature for eternity. They have to grow up to the harsher and bitter realities sooner rather than later. Public debate is next logical step, but for obvious reasons, people are not keen on a full contact engagement fearing that things might get a bit rough and unsettling and understandably so. Hence, indirect and limited contact is the second best option under the circumstances.

@sanatani, how many years old are veda? was there any other language before veda?

how many rishis have received veda? can anybody receive veda today? what is the historical evidence of veda? what will happen with the peoples who were on this earth before veda?

how many vedas are present on earth? if anyone claim to any new shloak that it is new veda and he is rishi then how could you check?

if a rishi can receive veda then why Maharishi has not received veda? what qualities maharishi moolshankar was missing? why there are contradictory mantras in veda? why there are different names of rishis in veda? who were kiktas? why veda ordering its followers to kill kiktas so brutally? who are ved nindak?

why there is no guidance regarding divorce in veda? is divorce necessary for human society? if yes then why it is not mentioned in veda and not practiced by hindu before HINDU marriage act?

@anti-agni Brother, I am not forcing you to believe in Veda. It is your will to believe or not. But Brother, I will prove you Islam is false. Mohammed was a looter, pedophilia, narcissist, child-abuser. Quran is full of absurdities. First we will discuss how Islam is false. Then we will talk of Veda. If Veda also proven false we will campaign against them. But first is Islam need to be exposed. Are u ready to discuss Islam with me? My first condition is that we will not discuss other religion absurdities while discussing Islam because it deviates the actual discussion.

That is what is happening in the US. You don’t like the actions by Islamists being pointed out there so you call the article hate. People are free to investigate further what the article is saying and decide for themselves.

I may have misunderstood you, but definitely misrepresenting someone views and opinions is not my intention. There are fundamentalists in every fold, but my point is that the Islamic fold wins the competition hands down. In any case, if somebody makes fun of my faith, I definitely am going to make a strong retort, and this I believe is my right to do so. People have biases and this is not something new. Some biases metamorphose with time, others last a lifetime. Likewise, favoritism is also a very commonplace phenomenon. The reasons that you cite in support of your view (for discouragement of theological debates) is frivolous in that people are never perfect. Does that mean people should stop exchanging their views simply because theirs are half baked. It is only through such engagements in a peaceful atmosphere that there is a possibility that their scope of knowledge will widen as a result of such exposure. Or else, they will stay rooted to their conservative and bigoted views.

@Vicjags : brother, you have been putting forward your thoughts only as an observer of the various doctrines available, but you don’t associate with any (Maybe you need to study further), that outlook perfectly fine. but this has to last only till ones self inquisitions are not answered to ones logical satisfaction , You are not the same man today that you were before visiting this forum 🙂

Agniveer may write about Christianity when there are hardly any Christians in this site to defend themselves..

As suggested multiple times .. why don’t you take the initiative.

Seriously fellows you should roll your sleeves and start debating the real Islam in some of their sites.

What makes you think people are debating anything but real Islam here. FYI there has been an invitation to IRF(Islamic research foundation) for a debate with Agniveer, which has not been answered yet.

Challenge their views before their own fans.. If you can silence the forum and expose the logical deficiency of their beliefs to themselves, that’s the point of real victory.. The point here is that if a core of a faith system does not believe in logic, then free thinking and questioning is not encouraged or goes unanswered.Refer to the http://agniveer.com/god-crazy/ article on agniveer, request you to put forward your opinion there on that article.

I think you did not understand the “purva paksha” that i had mentioned earlier, it means two ideologies or individuals can go for a meaningful debate if each understand the others ideology convincingly.Only and only then is the other individual fit to find holes (with logic) into the others belief system and prove which system is superior.(per-requisite is that both should be willing to let go of falsehood and work towards the truth) For the same Reason Agniveer has put forward all the articles related to VEDIC perspective here .Anyone who understands them and comes back for a debate to find any logical lacuna in the same and PROVE that an alternative belief system is superior and has better logical and convincing answers to the difficult questions that life as a whole poses, they are welcome and this is irrespective of the fact of the divinity associated with the veda. the idea with which you don’t seem to have much concurrence with.

@vicjags :You have already made a conclusion about the core of Islamic faith system being irrational and illogical… Some of the smartest thinkers and philosophers from the medieval world had been Muslims..

Seems that you do not understand the difference between a faith and an Individual, Islam is not equal to a Muslim. and my opinion was on Islam and not Muslims.

Even for that matter of fact the scientists and mathematicians you refer to are within a few generations of Takeover by Islam . (as the free/critical though was still somewhat encouraged), besides Algebra and Arabic medicine(roots in ayurveda) have their origins in vedic systems, the Arabic numerals too originated from the Indian numeral system.( brother you need to learn a lot about your country and its history) I feel disappointed in myself in judging you the way i did.

N.B. it was too naive and childish of you to assume that i have not researched ISLAM and have not read and understood Quran (& related hadidths)

Q :Are you here to debate the validity and relevance of vedic KS against that of other KS or that of the efforts of Agniveer ? this is an close ended question, please answer accordingly your answer decides how we go further. As i do not find it a judicial & enriching investment of time to engage further if you are here to pin point an individual rather than the original underlying strata of the KS

@Vicjags: Thanks for answer to the close ended question in over 300 words.

That would be as stupid as saying religion ‘X’ has bad people therefore religion ‘X’ should be false…

yes, infact if you did make the same staement to which i responded in the very first place, but it was on the opposite note.

you tried to counter my arguemen of Islamic faith being irrartional with its concepts by saying

You have already made a conclusion about the core of Islamic faith system being irrational and illogical… Some of the smartest thinkers and philosophers from the medieval world had been Muslims..

so you were saying that Islam cannot be irrational and illogical because some of the smartest thinker & philosophers were muslims. 🙂

Well if you taking about PHILOSOPHERS and THINKERS(scient and mathematics is also a result of critical and analytical thought, my perspective and its just linguistics ) then you are talking about the likes of Rumi, who were the result of Sufi way of though , which everyone knows(document in history) originated by the influence of which earliery way of thought. You see you force me to resort to guess work as your as you dont put forward the exact context origination, and this has been everywhere in your posts the then you accuse people of misrepresenting you.

Brother Best of luck with your crusade against Agniveer. as its said “Satyam Eva Jayate” and yes we finish it here.

@Vicjags : Thought it would be self explanatory, but anyways let me rephrase it as “As per my opinion, many of the ideas and Philosophies in support of Islamic Theology as proposed by some well talented Muslim Philosophers and thinkers of medieval world seem to be perfectly logical and hence I don’t believe Islam can be judged based on how our modern day Muslims argue” Again , the basis and substrata on which this conclusion is drawn is at best know to only yo;. and who is debating Muslims here, did you not read and comprehend , you are juggling with words and repeating yourself over and over. Islam and its Theology is under question. So it comes back to “purva Paksha” for you Do EXPLICITY mentions what is so logical that you found in the thinkers in support of Islamic Theology i.e Quran in your future debates with other people. Muslim philosophers in 12th or13th century might have very well debunked the ideas that Agniveer holds today.. Again, a request please dont make claims in the air, it doest look good for a person who so much boasts of his logic Free Advice : Please be precise and in context, no need to use plethora of words with little substance for being seriously considered for a debate that you might engage with others in future.

The country is not mature enough to debate about what? Talks on comparative religion by Agniveer or by the ones delivered by Zakir Naik, Ahmad Deedat, SAN network, etc.? The country has had these kinds of debates for long in case you are not aware of it. In any case, there is always a first time. Now, there is an inherent catch in your argument. Save that enlightening lecture on communal harmony and national unity for the likes of Bukhari and Owaisi if only they are willing to lend an ear.

You never said that but only made a sweeping generalization. There is no such thing as moderate Islam (unless of course you are confusing Islam with Sufism). Muslims all over the world can be broadly classified into two categories in my book: Firstly are those that are in a minority in a particular region and will feign to be secular and accommodating for obvious reasons but harbor evil intentions of outgrowing the native population through unchecked population growth. In the second category are those who are in majority in a certain region and then go on to display their true character as muslims making the lives of minor religious groups a literal hell. BTW, if you strictly follow the fundamentals of Islam, you are already an extremist. The only reason they are opposing the radicals of their faith is simply because their asses are on fire or else it was all hunky-dory for them as long the kafirs were on the firing line.

Nobody here is condoning the malaise that afflicts the Hindu society. Nothing is being brushed under the carpet. We are all for a catharsis. Vicjags simply does not get. The muslims only reinterpret the Quranic verses to justify polygamy, sexual slavery, pedophilia, etc. You seem to be okay with it, isn’t it? So, you mean to say that Hindus should not respond to the likes of ZN or SAN and let them have a free hand at converting people. A critical study of the Kashmir imbroglio will give a crystal clear picture of what Islam and muslims are all about. We are all too aware of the dangers of a burgeoning muslim population. The recent incidents in Kokrajhar are just ominous signs of the impending doom that awaits us. Thank the Hindus (and not the muslims) for still keeping things in check. Actions always speak louder than words. The world has been witness to the “noble” acts of the muslims following in the footsteps of their role model, Muhammad. Forget about insulting others’ intellect; just make sure that you do not make a fool of yourself by posting all this garbage. Not sure where Sami gets his history from, but you for a certainty pick it up from garbage dump. You are probably not aware that the national motto is Satyameva Jayate “Truth alone triumphs.” You do not expect harmony sans honesty. Only honest intentions guided by truth ensure enduring peace. If false egos are hurt by valid arguments, so let it be. If you yearn for something substantial, you will have to bend your back to get it. Cosmetic peace will eventually crumble under the weight of deception. More baseless concocted assumptions about my true intentions and a poor attempt at character assassination.

“Not sure where Sami gets his history from, but you for a certainty pick it up from garbage dump. You are probably not aware that the national motto is Satyameva Jayate “Truth alone triumphs.” You do not expect harmony sans honesty.”

I think SDC I have been clear that brushing uncomfortable truths under the carpet does NOT lead to real peace, and that is why I do not think Hindus should be silent. Hindus should speak up for themselves always and frequently.

SDC Reviewing what you wrote, I see you mainly were speaking to the other person in your sentences. The purpose of such a tactic is not truth nor peace but to silence Hindus. Only to Hindus do proselytizers say be quiet. It serves not Hindus but the proselytizers who want Hindus to be mute and defenseless against aggression from them, and to white wash history so the proselytizers come out looking like angels.

Hindus, the violent jihad that you have suffered in India is known around the world. Muslims have documented the slaughter and so has it been known in the Western world. No one has the right to ask Hindus to pretend the violence they have suffered for centuries did not happen. There is no peace when the victims of violence have to pretend they never suffered violence to appease the very group that committed the violence against them. Hindus never be silent, Clearly there are people who want the silence of Hindus. it serves them, not Hindus. Those same people do not ask Christians and Muslim sites for their silence for the sake of peace. They seek only to render Hindus mute and defenseless against the aggression from others. Speak for yourselves always. Clearly no one else will for you, no Christian, no Muslim. No from them you get them saying be silent, don’t upset us, sweep it all under the rug and pretend nothing bad ever happened to you. Those Muslim extremists don’t need an excuse to slaughter, because they believe it is their duty to use violent jihad to subdue the entire world to Islam and that takes no provocation other than non-Muslims live and breath outside the political rule of Islam. Our ancestors did nothing to provoke jihadist violence, but they were still attacked. And your not speaking up about the violence committed against Hindus in the past or now will not stop those violent extremists Muslims from attacking you now or in the future. Real moderate Muslims should be the first to speak openly about the violence Hindus suffered, people slaughtered and temples destroyed, over the centuries at the hands of jihadists and not ever deny it but join with Hindus in honestly and openly speaking about the slaughter and atrocities Hindus faced at jihadist hands. That is the way to real reconciliation – acknowledgment by Muslims of what Muslims did to Hindus. Real moderate Muslims would never push the lie that Islam only spread peacefully and would never perversely expect the victims of jihad, Hindus and others, to push that lie as well.

Hindus speaking the truth of what happened and rejecting a lie is far from vengeance, it is the path to a better reconciliation. Germans were honest about their atrocities against Jews and others, and to day they are a better nation for it. Hindus as I said before real moderate Muslims would be the first to openly discuss the violence of the past against Hindus that Muslims themselves documented, and engage in reconciliation with Hindus. No one ever asks those who were the victims of violence to pretend it never happened. There is no real peace in that lie. Speaking up against falsehoods perpetrated by others against Hinduism is also just. That is about the lies spread yesterday, and lies spread and perpetuated today. Speaking up for yourself is a right, Hindus, and never allow yourself to be silenced by anyone which is what certain people from proselytizing religions want.

Hindus, the difference is any caste based discrimination has been openly discussed. It is acknowledged. It is not hushed up. No one says to the lower castes don’t speak of it, you’ll upset people, and if you speak of it you are for vengeance and not for progress, and you are against peace, and your speaking of discrimination will prevent people from better interpreting Hindu scriptures. And we all know Hindus and Hinduism has been criticized for that discrimination within Hinduism and from without Hinduism. The better interpretation of Hinduism, was not without hearing from vocal critics. Christianity also had many critics over the centuries. All atrocities committed by Christians has been openly discussed, in history books even. The progress of Christianity too was not without critics. Those who seek the silence of Hindus do not want Hindus to speak of the violence done against Hindus, they want us to pretend it never happened. That is the huge difference. They want the lie that Islam only spread peacefully, and Hindus to say nothing more. No honesty, no openness, no acknowledgement of the harm caused by jihadists. Us speaking of the violence we faced by Muslims does not in any way prevent Muslims from reinterpreting their religious scriptures today to something better, than it prevented Hinduism, or any other faith.

For those of you who are Christian, Mohammed from a Christian site and they can know it for certain what kind of man he was based on Islam’s own religious scriptures http://bibleprobe.com/muhammad.htm

“We apologize to anyone who may be offended by the history of the founder of Islam (Muhammad) below. And we are aware of the sensitivities involved. However, infinitely more damage has been done to Islam’s “believers” by Islam’s history of withholding the truth about its founder to them — – and the circumstances surrounding its inception — than any “damage” this true history below can cause.

As you will see below, Muhammad posed as an apostle of God. Yet his life is filled with lustfulness (12 marriages and sex with a child, slaves and concubines), rapes, warfare, conquests, and unmerciful butcheries. The infinitely good, just and all holy God simply cannot tolerate anything in the least unjust or sinful. What Muhammad produced in the Qur’an is simply a book of gibberish consisting of later evil verses abrogating (superseding) earlier peaceful verses. These verses in Arabic poetically “tickle” the ears of Arab listeners. Islam is a caustic blend of paganism and twisted Bible stories. Muhammad, its lone “prophet”, who made no prophecies, conceived his religion to satiate his lust for power, sex, and money. He was a terrorist. And if you think these conclusions are shocking, wait until you see the evidence mostly from Islamic historians below. 70% of what is here is from Muslim and ex-Muslim historians – back to the 8th century and the Qur’an itself. …”

Why Mohammed matters to Islam and Muslims “Muslims revere Mohammed as the perfect male. In the Islamic liturgical trilogy of the Koran, the Hadiths or sayings of Mohammed, and the Sira or Sunna or biography of Mohammed; the idealized Muslim and Arab man is presented to be Allah’s messenger – Mohammed. All Muslim males desire to emulate his example. ” http://western-civilisation.com/displayArticle.aspx?contentID=1291&subgroupID=37

“Every single Muslim that leaves this forum leaves with more hate for Hindus and this will lead to more bomb blasts, communal violence and death of innocents in future… This is the fate of India… INTELLECTUAL TERRORISM…”

The intellectual terrorism is this joker’s. It is his pure unfounded speculation that “every single Muslim” leaves this forum with more hate that will lead to them committing mass murder later. He has zero clue on how “every single Muslim” to this site reacts. This is completely made up in his mind for a sneaky purpose. This is how very low he thinks of Muslims, that their response to words that upset them is mass murder of people. What this joker’s real goal is to silence Hindus from speaking out by trying to instill fear that their speaking out will get Muslims to kill people. Never allow yourself to be silenced by such manipulative jokers like this scum.

Your gullibility is out of this world. “May be ALLAH SHOWED THE TRUE RELIGION TO THE WRONG MAN !!!!” If that be the case, then surely Allah is the wrong guy. If nothing can be said with certainty, then it questions might even be raised on the veracity of the story of resurrection of Jesus. When we delve into history, uncomfortable truths will come to the fore. There are skeletons in every cupboard. Religion and politics have never been separated from each other. BTW, we are more concerned about universal unity. After all, we all belong to one big family – Humanity. But the fact remains that aggressive evangelism will scuttle any effort to unify the world. The concept of one world-one religion that some groups adhere to will only cause more frictions.

The point of gullibility was brought into the picture only to emphasize the facetiousness of the assumption that Almighty could make revelations to a wrong guy. I am simply making the claim that if there be such an Allah that is so careless to be making revelations to a reckless character, then he is not the Almighty, the infallible. So, what’s the big deal? Your alternate hypothesis is all the more mind boggling. So, you mean to say that a revelation only degrades a person’s character. How sound is this argument? The corruption of power theory is not applicable in the field of spirituality. A person spiritually endowed is supposed to be all the more humble and down to earth. You are losing the plot here it seems in a desperate bid to show off your reasoning prowess. The supporting reasons you put forth in defense of your preposterous hypothesis are nonetheless hilarious. You do not need to resort to violent measures to establish monotheism. Take the example of Sikhism as a case study. Allah could have done well with someone of the stature of Nanak. You will have to teach yourself the meanings of the terms: paramatma/parabrahman, devatas, and bhagwan in order to be able to comprehend the monotheism enshrined in Sanatana Dharma. The interpretation deadlock does not even arise when you objectively assess Muhammad’s ways of preaching which are outright objectionable. Forget about interpretations, just stick to the evidences at hand. That alone should be enough. Finally comes the big one! Mr. Vicjags proposes that abuses make people gain some conscience. If that be the case, the creator could have done well to reveal more of abuses in the Bible so as to make Christians the more conscientious of the lot. Parents and teachers are hereby advised to abuse their wards to help them be conscientious. More baseless assumptions follow. I did not propose any universal unity of religion as a binding factor. The word I used was humanity. You also seem to have missed on the blitzkrieg thing I referred to in an earlier post explaining/justifying the need for an apt response to aggressive evangelism.

The conclusion drawn is again all yours, and you seem to be in the habit of drawing some baseless ones. There are myriad concepts of God, and often at times these concepts are poles apart. Depending upon the nature of revelations made overtime, one wonders if there truly is One creator. If at all he/she/it is one, then how come the revelations are so varied in nature? A few relevant questions crop up: Is it possible that some so-called prophets are self-made or were elevated to that rank to serve a vested interest? Or is it that the creator revealed itself in different forms at different times to different people? No one could answer these questions for a certainty. Hence, for all practical purposes, each of these concepts of God is taken as the embodiment of their respective Gods. If pandit Vicjags tries to imply that I am not conversant with the central theme of Agniveer, then he needs to know that I do not need to. I can always beg to differ. And by the way, you do not have to waste your valuable time making all this shit.

OK, agreed the Vedas consider the mothers as the embodiment of love. However, there is the ideology that can turn even the mothers to commit barbaric acts on their daughter. We must strive to save the ideals of motherhood by erasing the ideology responsible for it. Pl see the following link if you have not read it recently in Indian Express. The main stream dailies are wrapped in deafening silence for this heart breaking news.

It is a Good Idea. Today we are having “Sponsored” Doctors and the so-called self-styled experts who are actually PROMOTING the Idea of Masturbation by falsely claiming that it has NO ILL-Effects. These fools are spreading the lie like a Forest fire. You don’t need a doctor to see the effect of Celibacy. It’s positive effect is Immense. Swami Vivekananda is the torch-bearer of this fact; he exemplified it. As per Vivekananda Celibacy demands total abstinence from masturbation (including the purity of thought) for at least 12yrs. After these TOUGH 12yrs are through then there is NO chance to fall back.

I sincerely Hope that Agniveer could bring forth the Literature and fuse it with the Modern Science and set the tone for disapproval of the false claims of PAID Doctors cum Hired Experts.

Agniveer ji namaskar. one of my friend does masturbation. i told him not to do this and adhere to bhramcharya. but he give me stupgid explanations of western sexologists stating it pretty normal. plz write an article explaining how masturbation is bad and is an evil in indian society. aammmmggmmggwmmwjkwwmmppgpq

A man once consulted the Prophet Muhammad about taking part in a military campaign. The Prophet asked the man if his mother was still living. When told that she was alive, the Prophet said: “(Then) stay with her, for Paradise is at her feet.” (Al-Tirmidhi)

On another occasion, the Prophet said: “God has forbidden for you to be undutiful to your mothers.” (Sahih Al-Bukhari) One of the things I have always appreciated about my adopted faith is not only its emphasis on maintaining the bonds of kinship, but also the high regard in which women, particularly mothers, are held. The Quran, Islam’s revealed text, states: “And revere the wombs that bore you, for God is ever watchful over you.” (4:1)

It should be obvious that our parents deserve our utmost respect and devotion – second only to God. Speaking in the Quran, God says: “Show gratitude to Me and to thy parents; to Me is thy final Goal.” (31:14)

The fact that God has mentioned parents in the same verse as Himself shows the extent to which we should strive in our efforts to serve the mothers and fathers who sacrificed so much for us. Doing so will help us to become better people. In that same verse, God says: “We have enjoined on man (to be good) to his parents: in travail upon travail did his mother bear him.”

In other words, the debt we owe to our mothers is magnified due to the difficult nature of pregnancy – not to mention the nurturing and attention paid to us in infancy.

Another narration, or “Hadith,” from the life of the Prophet Muhammad again shows us just how much we owe to our mothers.

A man once asked the Prophet to whom he should show the most kindness. The Prophet replied: “Your mother, next your mother, next your mother, and then your father.” (Sunan of Abu-Dawood) In other words, we must treat our mothers in a manner befitting their exalted position – and, again, revere the wombs that bore us.

The Arabic word for womb is “rahem.” Rahem is derived from the word for mercy. In Islamic tradition, one of God’s 99 names is “Al-Raheem,” or “the Most Merciful.”

There exists, therefore, a unique connection between God and the womb. Through the womb, we get a glimpse of the Almighty’s qualities and attributes. It nurtures, feeds and shelters us in the early stages of life. The womb can be viewed as one manifestation of divinity in the world.

One cannot help but make the parallel between a Loving God and a compassionate Mother. As a matter of fact, by revering our mothers, we are paying respect to God.

Each of us should appreciate what we have in our mothers. They are our teachers and our role models. Every day with them is an opportunity to grow as a person. Every day away from them is a missed opportunity.

I lost my own mother to breast cancer on April 19, 2003. Though the pain of losing her is still with me and her memory lives on in my siblings and me, I sometimes worry that I might forget what a blessing she was for me.

For me, Islam is the best reminder of my mother’s presence. With daily encouragement from the Quran and the living example of the Prophet Muhammad, I know I will always keep her memory close to my heart. She is my rahem, my connection to the divine. On this Mother’s Day, I am grateful for the occasion to reflect on that.

If ever there were a reason to ban someone’s IP address, terrorist Najeeb’s is. We ought to have nothing against Muslims trying to make a reasonable case for Islam (although “reasonable case for Islam” is an oxymoron anyway). But this guy is a ghazi-shaheed-in-waiting. I wouldnt be surprised if this guy bombs a railway/aeroplane in the coming days.

Brother, Let this idiot Najeeb speak. He is only making himself appear pity, a dumb and fanatic. Plus he is giving us an advantage of self-unlocking his “biased” mentality. There are some Trojan-horses in here, these have -most probably- been hired ones. There are number of websites calling upon perverts to launch a verbal attack against Agniveer. A reasonable Muslim guy would seldom use a foul language, so we know whom we are talking to– a prospective jehadi element.

These jehadi elements have been GREATLY Disturbed by the success of Agniveer, they are feeling the HEAT, hence this sort of CHEAP propaganda!

At first I thought this guy Najeeb had some “genuine” doubts which needed to be redressed, but then, instead, HE CLEARED MY DOUBTS about him!!!

the vedic message for all humanity of considering all womenhood as mother solves all modern problem like rape, indescent remarks,gender bias, work place sexual assault etc etc.

also its superb to know how world oldest book vedas are 100% practical even today and respects all motherhood not even litrally but also practically then compared to later and self claimed updated works like quran.

Even if we agree that Muslim rulers killed Hindus or attached but can u tell us who is responsible for such bad condition of inida.No one except hindus. They are like dirty virus.

The “bad condition” of “inida” (sic) somehow justifies Muslim rulers killing Hindus? Shame on you for attempting to relate the two. Hitler would be considered an angel of peace when compared to the ideology you and your self-proclaimed prophet espouse.

Well, KalBhairav Brother, the last line of your comment has had me in a Laughter riot. Very innovative. Just to add my twist, I put it in a slightly different manner: “It would have put even Hitler -the Symbol of Hatred- to SHAME. (would stop short of commenting on last 4 words of yours, because as a matter of policy I prefer not to comment on the Prophet himself.)

Yes…on 2nd thoughts, on another day I too wouldnt have commented on the Prophet. It is just that sometimes his followers end up making puke-inducing statements like the terrorist Najeeb above that the Prophet becomes guilty by association.

I like your wording also. 🙂 Maybe I will use it next time a terrorist appears here or on any other online forum.

Completely true. Guru Gobind Singhji’s approach was needed 500 years before his arrival. Hindus are responsible for allowing Taqiah loving bunch of murderers who dont even spare their own family and their prophet’s family to live here, build mosques for them and give them equal rights.

And if Hindus are dirty virus, what are your views on Pakistan where every day one bomb explodes? What about Somalia with 100% Sunni population. Who is killing whom in Iran, Iraq, Sudan, Algeria.

Name one single peaceful prosperous country with Muslim majority. Dont give names of Middle East countries thriving on oil. For them oil was filth before non-Muslims came and taught them the use of it. And most of them are more liberal than the west. Saudi Arabia is among worst human rights offenders and home of all terrorist operators.

Dirty virus is causing nuisance all over the world – more the proportion, more the nuisance. Hindus are to be blamed for not planning to spray pesticide to get rid of them.

I literally challenge you to get your DNA tested for your linkage. I can bet that you could have DNA of any Indian Community. These Rapists and Spearhead-ers (slitters) converted many Indians like your ancestors, to Islam.

Please be rational and think from humanity point of view [ if humanity exists in ISLAM ].

If humanity exists in Islam, then please condemn massacres by Islamic extremists [ Terrorists ] in the Past 1000 years in India.

You are still free to comment whatsoever you wish, because India and Indians give the liberty to everyone at the expense of their “Life and Living”. I know that you would vomit bad/vulgar words, and I and prepared for these verbal assaults.

Brother Yeahme alias prashant when ur scripture is not able to teach u 2+2=4.then how can we teach u dat we sud respect the woman as our mother.anyways brother continue wid d culture of Arabia and Mohammad (he really need some blessings). Iraq and afghanistan has gone almost…next target is Iran den pakistan den arabia.brother just watch ur Allah is helpin The Kafirs hehe. OR MAY BE HE DOES NOT EXIST ANY MORE. I think Americans has bombarded on Allah as well. And may be he died.

1. Having many wives. 2. Killing of animals for test. 3. Want to sex with other wivies as Mohamand sex with his daughter in law. 4. Destroying Yag, and religious palces. 5. Attacking on other innocent people. As Ravan Attacked on Lanka King snached Lanka from him & Mohamad & his follower attacked on innocent people ruin them. As Arbi Gaji attacked on innocent people of India Destroy the culture of Bharat, Parkistan, Afganistan etc countries. It is shame for those people of these countries who consider them their roll modal and adopted their religion.and forget their great ancestors. And it is shame if someone protest like people of agniveer who are making effort to bring the people of their country to their actual & great religion . 6. Forcing people to recite his name & make it compulsory. 7. Issued Fatawa is someone disagree with their views should be killed. As Ravan kicked his brother and killed his sister husband & other people. Mohamad also issued the same Fatawa. In Ravan region no one is allowed to raised his finger to him. In Mohamad religion no one allowed to ask question.

@Najeeb Khan Miyan your own Islamic scriptures tell Muslim are URINAL WORSHIPERS every Friday they are really worshiping a URINAL. The Kaaba Black Stone which is shaped like PUSSY/URINAL and which Muslims face during Namaz was used by Qarmatians as Urinal for than 20 years now Muslims Kiss this URINAL and bow before it every Friday (YUCK). It is really great to be a true muslim you have to worship this URINAL 5 times a day.

Some people claim that Sanataj Dharam so confusing and contradict this shows they do not posses even a sense of choosing right & wrong. This is like one watch All the Ramayan and says he is confused who is on true path between Ram & Rawan. Here they are taking into account Puran, Kuran & Veda. And confused. They can not choose who is Ram & Rawan ( it is just for understanding). Rawan refers rape, killing innocent, destroy the yag, keeping may wives, killing of animals, kidnapping and all other immoral act. On the other side Ram refers Protecting innocent, Single wives, Brahamcharya, not forcing people to agree with him otherwise they will go into hell. here is Kuran & Puran in the contradiction of Veda. A wise man easy find out true way but foolish will always confused.

Superb Article, if we consider woman as a mother 80% crime will be stopped forever. But only noble people will be agree with you and people possess thinking of Ravana & Mohamad will always protest this great article. A lustful person who looks woman only for sexual pleasure will not agree with you. These people as I have seen some in above comments want to have sex with all the woman of world but never want their mother intimate with all the man of the world. And they claim they have given equal right to woman as to man but in realty woman are not allowed even to enter in Mandir or Masjid.In Islam man are allowed to have many wives but woman are not allowed the same. On the other hand Veda advised only one spouse for both man & woman. This shows there is no comparison with Veda.

Superb article. I fully agree with you. If we consider woman as a mother 80% crime will be stopped. But problem comes here that all the noble people will agree with you. But people possess thinking of Monster like Ravan, Mohamad, etc will not agree with you because these people are lustful and look woman only for sexual pleasure, not allowed woman to enter even in the Mandir or Masjid.and ironically claim that they have given woman equal right to man.These person are so lustful that they want to have sex with all the woman but do not want their mother should intimate with all Man of the world. If Islam gives man right to keep many wives it should also give woman to keep many husband at the same time. Islam is based on double standard. On the the other side Veda give equal right to man & woman. One woman for one Man and vice-versa.

fact is Hindu literature is so massive and confusing that no one can derive exact meaning and Hindus are confused cult and like orphans.

See You Say “All women are mothers” and later on prashant give explanation whcih is totally 20 lines.

See this i basic problme u all have first write something whcih no one can understand like Sanskrit in vedas,which even agniveer does not know and copy from Arya Samaj books.

Then decode two lines of sanskrit into 100 lines and finally confuse the society.

See from confusion comes consfusion and confused society.

See how Vedic people are only 50Cr on this planet and soon they will be vanished as they come out of confused root called Vedas.

See ISLAM has 1.5 billion followers and we are working hard to capture city by coity,country by country.Soon we will have half the population.Europe will be don in next 20 yrs,INdia with congress gov help we will have in 25hrs our mughalistan.

Problem with all you hindus is you are divided by heart and holy quran says that “those who worship idolsare divided by heart strike them hard and they will fetter”

We laugh on you all as we know that we are not the on responsible for demise of great Nation like India.

It is Hindus and no one else.

You will see very few Muslims in English school but all Hindus they are brai dead they do not understand that after getting western education you become like wetserners.

We respect gandhi Ji and all freedom fighters and we will protect india if somehow 5 Crores Hindus can be butchered.they are the ones who are killing our country.

They buy foreign cpomapny products and thius kill local indusrty.We muslims always buy from our own community ,even we take ayurvedic,yunanin medicine but try to avoid western.

Shame on you agniveer and shame on all the people in this.I never say ISLAm is best but at this time it is.I respect vedas but at this time I do not find any true interpretation of veda seven dayanand died without interpreting completely.

Shame on you all here ,rather then protecting India from corruption and wetsernets you all are reading this person articles.

Another idiotic person is truthofhinduism,he seems to be insane always quote from some refernces which are not authentic.

If you all really want to do somehthing do for INdia i.e My Bharat rather then all this Bull shit.

fact is Hindu literature is so massive and confusing that no one can derive exact meaning and Hindus are confused cult and like orphans.

See You Say “All women are mothers” and later on prashant give explanation whcih is totally 20 lines.

See this i basic problme u all have first write something whcih no one can understand like Sanskrit in vedas,which even agniveer does not know and copy from Arya Samaj books.

Then decode two lines of sanskrit into 100 lines and finally confuse the society.

See from confusion comes consfusion and confused society.

See how Vedic people are only 50Cr on this planet and soon they will be vanished as they come out of confused root called Vedas.

See ISLAM has 1.5 billion followers and we are working hard to capture city by coity,country by country.Soon we will have half the population.Europe will be don in next 20 yrs,INdia with congress gov help we will have in 25hrs our mughalistan.

Problem with all you hindus is you are divided by heart and holy quran says that “those who worship idolsare divided by heart strike them hard and they will fetter”

We laugh on you all as we know that we are not the on responsible for demise of great Nation like India.

It is Hindus and no one else.

You will see very few Muslims in English school but all Hindus they are brai dead they do not understand that after getting western education you become like wetserners.

We respect gandhi Ji and all freedom fighters and we will protect india if somehow 5 Crores Hindus can be butchered.they are the ones who are killing our country.

They buy foreign cpomapny products and thius kill local indusrty.We muslims always buy from our own community ,even we take ayurvedic,yunanin medicine but try to avoid western.

Shame on you agniveer and shame on all the people in this.I never say ISLAm is best but at this time it is.I respect vedas but at this time I do not find any true interpretation of veda seven dayanand died without interpreting completely.

Shame on you all here ,rather then protecting India from corruption and wetsernets you all are reading this person articles.

Another idiotic person is truthofhinduism,he seems to be insane always quote from some refernces which are not authentic.

If you all really want to do somehthing do for INdia i.e My Bharat rather then all this Bull shit.

fact is Hindu literature is so massive and confusing that no one can derive exact meaning and Hindus are confused cult and like orphans.

See You Say “All women are mothers” and later on prashant give explanation whcih is totally 20 lines.

See this i basic problme u all have first write something whcih no one can understand like Sanskrit in vedas,which even agniveer does not know and copy from Arya Samaj books.

Then decode two lines of sanskrit into 100 lines and finally confuse the society.

See from confusion comes consfusion and confused society.

See how Vedic people are only 50Cr on this planet and soon they will be vanished as they come out of confused root called Vedas.

See ISLAM has 1.5 billion followers and we are working hard to capture city by coity,country by country.Soon we will have half the population.Europe will be don in next 20 yrs,INdia with congress gov help we will have in 25hrs our mughalistan.

Problem with all you hindus is you are divided by heart and holy quran says that “those who worship idolsare divided by heart strike them hard and they will fetter”

We laugh on you all as we know that we are not the on responsible for demise of great Nation like India.

It is Hindus and no one else.

You will see very few Muslims in English school but all Hindus they are brai dead they do not understand that after getting western education you become like wetserners.

We respect gandhi Ji and all freedom fighters and we will protect india if somehow 5 Crores Hindus can be butchered.they are the ones who are killing our country.

They buy foreign cpomapny products and thius kill local indusrty.We muslims always buy from our own community ,even we take ayurvedic,yunanin medicine but try to avoid western.

Shame on you agniveer and shame on all the people in this.I never say ISLAm is best but at this time it is.I respect vedas but at this time I do not find any true interpretation of veda seven dayanand died without interpreting completely.

Shame on you all here ,rather then protecting India from corruption and wetsernets you all are reading this person articles.

Another idiotic person is truthofhinduism,he seems to be insane always quote from some refernces which are not authentic.

If you all really want to do somehthing do for INdia i.e My Bharat rather then all this Bull shit.

What sort of comment is this?? You respect Gandhiji, and talk of slaughtering 5 cr Hindus!! You refer to India as BHARAT, agree that Islam is NOT the Best, and end your comment with vande matram,YET you insist on converting the nation and have MUGHALISTAN!! You said you respect Veda!!: Vedas by which EDITOR– Our own “sinister” communist Historians, “propagandist” British historians, or the “suspect” Sunni Historians??? But I do agree with you on some points: 1. We have NOT developed our “cottage” industry, and are increasingly dependent on foreign supplies, Real Bharat is in it’s Villages, which -sorry to say- we Ignored; 2. We are NOT that cautious on the kind of education and “brain-washing” our children receive in Christian missionary schools; 3. Yes, We are somewhat divided, it was this division that allowed Britishers to milk us. BUT please note that though we seem to be divided, our CORE values remain the same. And We MUST appreciate Mission Agniveer that is working day and night to connect us to our roots and clearing the air about some MIS-CONCEPTIONS; 4. Regarding Corruption, Yes, our nation is ruled by Corrupt Congressis. BUT then Corruption is NOT Religion-endemic. Corruption is a Global phenomenon. At least we are NOT “supporting” terrorism like Saudi-Arabia; neither are we “exporting” terrorism like Pakistan; nor do we proscribe propagation of faith like Wahabis do.

Don’t distort the meaning of Vedas in order to proof urself right and illogical !!

YajurVeda 5:16 :-

The earth full of grain , rich in cows , covered with grass and greenery so pleasing to man, this earth with all her creature held fast all round by the waves of gravitation, and the heaven above well-sustained in position, Vishnu, Lord you maintain both of these and of course the divine word of the Veda.

I happy Hindus have respect for Mother can have two meaning, a women as motherly form, my wife also mother of my children. A women as specifically mother, It takes some intelligent to understand this. We should see women in the motherly form which is natural and easy to respect, and venerate.. By saying mother is less abstract to think and natural to respect.

In European history of art there was time the use paint proudly portraits of man offering money for sex, later generation though how barbaric and over painted the money scenes, in several cases. .So women is just there for sex satisfaction, and those days were very barbaric times. A man would boost in those days that a women must pay dowry in order to marry. Remember it was the 1930’s when women got the right to vote in America, and with passes of equal rights in 1960’s they freedom to work and educate. Which was far different from ancient Hindu culture as women was always free to lead and achieve.

Well even islam says that every man should respect women like a mother.. but.. in a slightly different way..in a way only Mohammad can.. here’s a hadith from Prophetic hadiths, from the Website http://www.al-islam.com … its a genuine saudi arab website so u cannot cry.. this is wrong and that is wrong!!

822 ‘A’ishah, may Allah be pleased with her, reported: Sahlah bint Suhail came to Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Messenger of Allah, I see on the face of Abu Hudhaifah (signs of disgust) on entering of Salim (who is an ally) into (our house), whereupon Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Suckle him. She asked: How can I suckle him as he is a grown up man? Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) smiled and said: I already know that he is a young man. ‘Amr has made this addition in his narration that he participated in the Battle of Badr and in the narration of Ibn Abu ‘Umar (the words are): Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) laughed.

well well well!!! what a joy to be a muslim man.. really!! so if u ogle at a woman.. then to defend herself from being ogled at.. and to change your heart forever she should suckle you!! wow… We should frequently visit muslims’ Homes.. what say?!…

but now u will say what if a girl is very young just 5 or 4 or 3 or 2 yrs old?? or may be even months old!! i mean.. she wont be able to suckle us!! 🙁 oh no!!……But Hey dont worry.. Allah (Subah ana abhi tala hai) and his yahoo messenger has a solution for this!! u can do MUFA’KHATHAT!!.. Yes!!!!… just bind her thighs tightly even if she is 2-3 months old.. and rub your Penis betn the thighs!!!…when u tell the muslims Mohammad did this to ayesha they say.. there is no sahih hadith about this… well mohammad married ayesha whan she was 6 & took her for a ride in bed when she was 9 (only mohammad knows what he did for 3 yrs).. so Mufa’kathat is not a big deal any way.. when u can **** a 9 year old kid why do a mufa’kathat?? waah allah waah!!! u r certainly Rehman e rahim!!!.. i wanna be a muslim yaar!!

Please respect all religions. Please don’t write bad words others even if they speak bad about your religion. How you behave shows what you have learnt from your religion. Allah and Bhagwan are indifferent. Allah is not some other God. God is only One personality.

A brief observation on visual neglect and/or anterograde amnesia and its socio-religious implications:

Vicjags probably suffers from the short-term memory loss syndrome (of Ghajini fame). He fails to recollect the “cheap character assassination tactics” employed by the Christian evangelists. It is interesting to note that Mac’s desperate attempts to link Sanatana Dharma to an evil cult of the fallen angels completely bypasses his impaired field of vision. He also fails to notice that this site is not solely devoted to discussions on theology alone.

The pertinent question that needs an answer is: why should historical figures who verily serve as the mascots of religious denominations and were instrumental in their propagation be above criticism.

Vicjags seems to be in the habit of claiming imaginary victories. He claims a purported victory when there was none to be had. I do not remember eating my words. Wishful thinking and chest thumping at its best. Now, it’s time for him to eat some of his own words. He concurred with Manish on the premise that God is one but he himself switched over to Christianity for reasons best known to him. So much for that enlightening lecture on the oneness of Almighty. I am quoting him: “but we shall continue to fight the battle in the intellectual arena and show the logical superiority of our Faith over their Hinduism .” Now, is this hypocrisy or not? I would think so, and probably of the most blatant kind. He also forgets to mention that he referred to some Hindus as slaves, so typical of an extremist Christian.

Another important point to note is that Vicjags wants us to play mute and dumb when Christian and Islamic evangelists have launched a blitzkrieg against Hinduism. I perfectly understood your point at the first instance but am simply flabbergasted by your naïveté. Your affectations knows no bounds it seems.

Such a foolishness. The verse is in praise of the Women folk who have the quality of motherliness in them. don’t forget your mother was also a wife and your wife is also a mother! The quality of Motherhood of the women can be observed even by her Man n appreciated. It is not so foolishly written by the Rishis. Simple minds cann’t grasp it!! Meanwhile be happy beating ur wife as prescribed to u by ur prophet.

“all women are my mother”..Is not indicating a Biological Motherhood..You BOOR..It simply says we should respect and care every woman as we would do for OUR Mother!..I am not a Priest..so don’t start quibbling over the semantics..use your brain (Or rather find your Brain)!

Islam is great? Goodness me! ===================== ● Wives can be beaten for Trivial and even accidental offences.(common thing in Islamic countries 4:34, 38:44) ● Men keeping sex-Slaves is okay (4:24=Sex-slaves- right hand possesses)

According to Muhammad,

● a woman lacks common sense they are mentally deficient.(Sahih Bukhari 2:624:541) ● Women are comparable to Dogs (Sahih Bukhari 1:9:490, Sahih Muslim 4:1032) ● Women are mere possessions (Sahih Bukhari 3:34:264) ● Women are to be treated as sexual objects (Sahih Bukhari 6:60:402) ● Minimum 4 witnesses are needed to indict a rapist.(who will bother testifying? That’s ● ● ● Why the female gets 100 lashes because she couldn’t prove that she was raped) ● Women are even Compared to the Devil (Sahih Muslim 8:1038) ● Islam permits a MAN to marry upto 4 women(polygyny sura 4:3..not polyandry)? [all are equally immoral..but still why this bias?] ● Woman’s witness is worth half of a man’s (Sahih Bukhari 1:6:301) ● Muhammad suggested marrying young women so they can be fondled (Sahih Bukhari 3:38:504) :Muhammad said, “Where are you going?” Abdullah said, “I have married a widow.” He said, “Why have you not married a VIRGIN to fondle with each other?” Is it a big surprise that Muhammad Himself screwed a 9-yr old Child!??

● A wife is cursed if she refuses to be screwed by her husband whenever HUSBAND WANTS it, even if with force.(freewill?) (Sahih Muslim 8:3366, Sahih Bukhari 7:62:121)

Islam is HELL..for women..And for MORAL men! Those Non-Muslims or WOMEN who laud Islam are either masochistic or Insane or Profoundly Ignorant or all of them!

Barbaric Islam is absolute Anti-thesis of Human-Civilization and Humanity..!

Yes, your hitting on a fundamental point. It is the one stick that every women has over every man, and women and most people admit to defeat to that one. So as mother, we must respect women. It is the fundamental. I know, I always admit defeat to this line of thought. too bad most women don’t know it, and don’t know how to put the fact forward they have this above, which man can’t compete against which man must also respect..

So if we look at every women as mother we would always respect women, it is fundamental.

Broadly speaking, you are correct. That is implied. However Vedas extol even couples to love each other as a cow loves its newborn calf. So respect for women as mother has a very generic application. It is not for specific persons but femininity in general.

Najeeb, dirt and filthiness is all you can think of. Do not think that Vedas use the same standards of incest and vulgarity done by many of your prophets and outlined in detail throughout the Quran and Hadiths.

The sooner you cleanse your mind from the filthy Quran the better you can become a better human being.

Najeeb Khan This article is for humans and not for those whose Namaj gets canceled when a dog or ass or pig or woman passes in front of them! [You want to know who are they? Please refer Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari to discover this species!]

whose translation are you using these are from shri Devi chand . i am really confused which is correct and which is wrong .i hv just saw those verses. devichand translation of yajurved. yajurved 6-17 Ye masters of knowledge, just as waters purify us, so do ye wash away this indescribable sin and ignorance of mine. O learned persons keep me away from the vice of false malice, and accusation of the innocent. May noble, virtuous deed save me from sin

Vedic mantras can have multiple meanings depending upon the context. This is the manner in which source of all forms of knowledge is embedded within the Vedas.

In these two mantras, ‘Aapah’ is the subject who is being addressed. ‘Apah’ is feminine plural and means something which is fluid, life giving and brings satisfaction. Thus it is used to denote water. It is also used to in many other contexts, for example in cosmology.

this is translation of yajurved 6-16 and there is no word aapah O sinner, demons pay homage unto thee. Get out ye evil spirited. I stand before such a devil for dishonouring him, rather I chastise such a despicable fellow with great disgust. I carry such a satan to the lowest depth of distress. O disciple, the discriminator between virtue and vice, and cultivator of goodness, understand all the intricate problems, fill the Earth and Sun with water rendered pure through thy yajna. Let the learned person know thy yajna performed with clarified butter. Let the Earth and Sun filled with the greasy substance of Homa attain to the air which carries up the water purified by thy yajna.http://www.aryasamajjamnagar.org/yajurveda/pages/p180.gif

in yajueved 6-31 there is no word aapah

ya in yajurved 6-17 there is aapah but seeing the context of the mantra is seems it has nothing with woman.

i hv check all other mantras given by you the thing is that in only few of them there is mention of aapah but you must notice that in those devi is also there. like u can see Yajurveda 12.35 —aapah devi mantra start with this. Yajurveda 8.26 —devirappahesh.

So as far as i know aapah only means water,pure.

please review these.

And please tell me whose translation is this as i think that the translator had taken a new approach as i had search these mantras in other pandit translation but nobody had translated them as this.

These are not translations. In fact Vedic mantras cannot be translated. They can at best be interpreted. And interpretations would differ depending upon the context. It would be impossible for any translator to be able to give all the interpretations of Vedic mantras at one place.

Apah does not mean water. It means something that is feminine, pure and satisfying. Because water also exhibits these properties, it is called Apah. So Apah is not inherent meaning of water but an implied one. By same spirit, Apah can mean noble women in societal context.

Similarly all Vedic words have to be interpreted as per their root meanings in different contexts. If Vedas could be translated verbatim, there would have been no reason why being a Yogi and scholar be necessary to understand Vedas.

For example, Ghrit does not mean clarified butter. Ghrit means something that is nourishing and greasy. In mundane terms, thus clarified butter can be implied to mean Ghrit. But it can also depict soft emotions depending on context.

The interpretations here are as per the eminent Sanskrit and Vedic scholar Pandit Ramnath Vedalankar who has been among the most respected names in this field with many a novel researches to his credit. You can review the following texts by him for more details: “Vedbhashyakaron ki Vedarth Prakriyayen”, “Vedic Shabdarth Vichar” and “Vedic Naari” for more on this. He has based his works on earlier interpretations by Swami Dayanand and Yaska Rishi as well as ancient texts like Nirukta, Nighantu and Dhatupath.

Well let me put my point in front of you again so that we can to get the picture clearly .

I point out two mantras from your given too far fetched interpretation . Yajurveda 6-17 and Yajurveda 6-31 and till now had given shri devichand interpretation and interpretation from online aryasamaj Jamnagar site.

Point was that the interpretation you had put and actual one havedifferences of world. In support of yours argument ,u said that in these two mantras Apah had been used which can be interpreted as women . [well only in one mantra aapah is used in 6-17 not in 6-31]

Now coming back to mantras given by you in support of your stance You said that in Yajurveda 12.35 implies Aapah to denote intelligent girls. If you see the text of mantras it runs as aapo devi pratti grabhanit. IF you see the interpretation from aryasamaj Jamnagar site it runs as follows Hey vidhuan manushyo jo [aapah]pavitra jalo ke tulye sampurn shubgun aur vidhyao mein vyapt buddhi [devi ]sundar roop aur swabhav wali kanya …………………………….[ you can see from the site yajurved bhasye page 400] So here aapo means pure having quality of water and for girls/women devi is used not aapo so your argument that aapo means women is vague . …………… To be continued

1. Nighantu only gives implied meanings. In reality, there are no synonyms in Vedic sanskrit. Apah can mean water but that does not mean that it can only mean water. But thats also incomplete, especially when Apah is in plural feminine.

2. YV 6.31 does not have word Aapah but the mantras in the chapter are on Apah. Hence the meaning from context.

3. As I said, mantras can have multiple interpretations. Devichand or Jamnagar or anyone for that matter cannot claim to be final or only interpretation on Vedas.

4. Would request you to review the texts referred in previous comment by Pt Ramnath Vedalankar on this.

Aapah can imply noble women and this meaning does not contradict any Vedic teaching but on contrary reaffirms meanings of other mantras as well. We find no reason why one should object to Apah meaning women when it is in plural feminine and in perfect sync with other Vedic mantras. Would request you to contact Pt Ramnath Vedalankar on this who has done tremendous research on Vedic Devis and is among the most scholarly person today on Vedic Sanskrit. You can get his details from his books.

1. You are free to review all the mantras and have your own views on them. We have not provided word by word translations of the mantras for sake of readability but have only provided essence to drive home the basic point.

2. Those willing to review the verbatim interpretations are referred to the texts mentioned at end of the post.

3. We never commented on anyone being authority or not. Vedic mantras can have multiple meanings and to gain complete understanding of even a single mantra would be a feat in itself. We only said that our interpretation is also in lines with rest of the Vedas and based on works of a renowned scholar whose references have already been provided.

4. You may refute him/ meaning provided or accept him, thats your choice. However we stand by the meaning and consider your objections to be at best frivolous and arising out of inability to understand the basic concepts and approaches to Vedas.

5. We never provide any novel meaning of any Vedic mantra. On contrary, we only provide interpretations by erstwhile scholars in a readable format.

We do not have luxury of getting into debates on such baseless issues considering our priorities. We would thus request you to contact the scholar directly (he is a contemporary scholar) to debate on this.

For sake of focus and purpose of the site we shall disallow any further comments on this topic. We are also deleting previous comments. You may feel free to promote your objections to our stand on a separate site in same manner as the apparently pro-Muslim site truthofhinduism.com is doing.

1.Well when i come in contact with your site i was very much imprseed by slogan truth and courage but when i saw your this post yesterday i was very much disappointed . 2.the point is that why to use deception to rive your point . 3.i think you had taken my stance in negative manner my stand is to let affirm for truth as its the basis of all things.you must always keep in your mind 4 th principle of aryasamaj. 4.If i accept your point in this way shri saynacharya ,shri ubbat .shri madhir bhasye must hv to be accepted, then why you reject it .

Mine point is not to debate rather always be seeker of truth ,from yesterday onwards you are only lying rather coming on concrete point you are taking irrelevent points.

you are free to delete mine comments but its kill the very essence of discussion and freedom of expression [which you had already deleted showing that you dont believe in freedom of expression ] i think mine this comment will also not be accepted .

Prashant When you have Christians and Islamic Jihadis converting your people into their religion on the basis of false translations by Griffith et al, your priority should be to make people aware of shortcomings of Griffith’s translations rather than that of Agniveer’s. If you are master of Sanskrit, please utilize your potential to refute other false translations which are the main cause today for mass conversions of Hindus.

When Agniveer have stated that their priorities are different, why are you asking again and again for discussion? For them, bringing back our lost Brothers and sisters (Muslims and Christians) is more important than convincing a person about their translation by giving him word to word meanings. Why do you want them to indulge in such a silly thing whether Apah is Sangya or Visheshan when Hindus are converting to Islam and Christianity in thousands every year? If you dont have courage to support them, fine, dont do that, but why are you weakening them knowingly or unknowingly?

And yes, you can disagree with whatever is written here but you should restrict yourself to your disagreement alone and not go beyond the limits by saying Agniveer is liar or he is making irrelevant points. Freedom of expression has no meaning when it causes damage to the world. And you are free anyway to start your own blog and start giving rebuttals to Agniveer’s articles as being done by many on internet. If you think it to be the first and foremost thing to do in your priority list, use your freedom of speech in your blog! You should not expect Agniveer to provide you platform for the same which will help Jihadis in their conversion agenda.

You can read Rigved Adi Bhashya Bhoomika to know the essence of Vedas. It would be helpful for you to discuss Vedas in right direction.

If every liberal entity on this earth says that ISLAM has something bad in it, then there must be some solid reasons. Please rework your religion and beliefs. I am sure, if you have sanity or morality then you would reconsider your religious beliefs.

With the help of Mongols/Turks/Some Bastard Indians, ISLAM got its wings to spread in India.

In a similar fashion, CONGRESS in India, is again trying to divide this country into pieces. India never got freedom because of CONGRESS but got broken into pieces. CONGRESS do the conspiracy of favoring one community and threatening other.

What happened in Gujarat-riots should be condemned. Whosoever was behind these riots should be punished. But why, only Narendra Modi be held responsible. Why not take action against the Congress for Godhara kand and Sikh-riots. Sikhs have been front-runners in saving most of the Hindus from the spears of Aurangzeb. The sacrifice of Gurus have been forgotten by most of the Sikhs.

I salute all the GURUs and specially Guru Teg Bahadur ji for saving Indian culture. I feel that all the muslim communities should accept apology for these massacres. They should also apologize for breaking INDIA which was made their homeland by considering them guests with Swords.

Lets says Narendra Modi was responsible for the riots then who was responsible for Godhra Riots. Why not Congress take the responsibility.

No-one stood-up against the abhorant act in Godhara. No Mulla talks about Godhara but they are concerned for the after-effects of this act [Reaction].

I reiterate that it was Indians who were killed in Godhara and Gujrat riots. Please do not do politics.

With the new emerging technologies like Internet/Mobile/Media, people all across the world are now becoming aware of the threats of a religion called “ISLAM”. Those who have already submitted cannot easily come out of ISLAM, as they have chances to get killed by fanatics.

Hindus because of their soft-corner and fearness in heart got the following things diluted:

AT LAST I WANT TO SAY Why you have deleted my comments.I was just prsenting the truth .i think you only believe in fraud and deception.

you HAVE DELTED mine only those comments which are more concroting

you should hv to clear mine doubt [if any is there] rather then doing this cheap thing. swami dayananand ji has aptly said that

“The man who resolves, to stick to the truth at all costs, steadily rises in virtues. When his virtues raise his reputation and prestige, he becomes all the more a devotee of truth. This devotion to truth becomes an unerring source of power and greatness.” Swami Dayanand

1. We deleted your comments because they were at best childish and only distracted the discussion from main theme.

2. This site is managed and controlled by Agniveer and we have full rights to decide what content to be allowed and what to be disallowed. Just as you would not allow anyone to sell meat from your home when you are a vegetarian. You may even disallow sale of vegetables because that is not why you built your house. So concept of freedom of expression does not apply here. You are free to start a new website and post whatever you want. We neither oppose it nor would try to curb your rights to do so in any manner.

But for a site that we own, we cannot allow content that we believe is distracting and misleading. Actually your are expecting us to curb our own freedom of expression by allowing distracting content that we do not subscribe to.

3. Had you only raised your doubts it would have been fine. But after providing adequate references, you still are pushing a trivial issue which is not our focus. We gave information on original researcher but still you are not keen to communicate with him or read his texts fully. You merely want to force your own thoughts which are rather naive and completely misleading. We cannot allow our site to act as a platform for just anyone to further his own personal agenda.

However as we said, why don’t you start your own initiative and counter us if we are wrong? Is it not too unfair to ask your opponent to allow you to preach against him in his own city when he is thoroughly convinced that you are misleading?

4. Your comments had no truth. They were simply childish. You gave one set of meanings of mantras and we gave another. We said that Vedas can be interpreted differently as per root words. We also gave you original references. We even asked you to review the references and even communicate with the original researcher. But seeking truth is not your objective. You only want to prove your own stand.

5. You quoted Swami Dayanand on truth. We abide by that and that is why we were forced to delete all your comments. Because they were deviating people from truth. Swami Dayanand never suggested that truth-seekers should allow deviants to use their platforms to promote their own brands of truth.

He writes in his preface of Satyarth Prakash: “All errors or omissions, typographical or otherwise, on being pointed out to us, will be rectified, but no heed will be paid to anything that is said or written through prejudice with the object of unnecessarily criticizing this book.”

We are simply following this dictum.

6. Finally, if indeed you are convinced about your brand of meanings, instead of wasting time writing distracting comments, please contact Pt Ramnath Vedalankar and challenge him for a debate. Also share your own qualifications that people consider you competent enough to be taken seriously. We, at Agniveer, are not available for debate on such trivial issues but would gladly be ready to modify our content if a competent scholar or Pt Ramnathji himself convinces us that this is wrong.

In general, on subjects relating to women and caste-system, we have made amply clear that we shall be very strict in moderating the comments.

But in case you are thoroughly convinced of your stand, please start a new site to promote your own approach to Vedas. That would be much more concrete and reasonable than expect us to allow you to promote your dogmatism.

Lastly, we never force anyone unethically to read our articles. We have a specific agenda and a concrete goal towards which we are working. We are responsible to Ishwar, ourselves and the society for fulfillment of these critical goals for which we believe we have competence to contribute concretely. We cannot allow ourselves to be distracted by every other person who has his or her own version of truth.

However, at best, we can provide you useful links to help you start your own website and express your own views freely. Please let us know on this.

We shall again moderate some of your comments that completely deviate the discussions from main essence of this very important article. We shall however love to see them on your own site. Let us know when you start it and we shall send you the original texts of your moderated comments.

The truth behind zeal of so-called Prashant to state truth has been exposed.

He is no Prashant but a follower of Anwar Zamal, a close ally of Zakir Naik, in false guise. He had earlier come on the site with another fake name: ‘YeahMe’ and after a few debates with some other visitors got into filthy abuses and sending hate mails.

We checked his IP address of Norway that matched with the earlier records.

We got suspicious after he quoted Swami Dayanand from a book that is actually written by Anwar Zamal to denigrate Swami Dayanand. He attributed this quotation to Rigvedadibhashyabhumika which proves that he has never ever read the book.

What he has been doing is to paste answers provided by someone in Anwar Zamal’s team who knows a bit of Sanskrit. However his language was strikingly similar to his old fake profile and quite queer for an educated person. This raised the doubt further.

Thus with sole intention of trying to score false points, he started raising childish meaningless questions in name of truth. And then another friend of his named Najeeb started hailing this childishness as defeat of Agniveer!

We understand that it is impossible to consider every woman as mother for someone entrenched in a culture that legitimizes sex-slavery and considering women as half-intelligent.

But still, we request ‘true’ truthseekers to come to fore with genuine truthfulness and not false garbs with malevolent intentions. We thank other visitors on the site to have supported the cause and taken it to such levels that so-called prominent scholars of neo-Islam are forced to adopt such devious means to counter the impact of Agniveer.

There have been several hacking attempts on Agniveer site. Then fake sites in name of Agniveer were created. Also fake profiles of Agniveer exist in facebook that counter the original site. Now this new style of cyber-terrorism!

This reaffirms our concerns that followers of this neo-islam justify use of Taqiah – falshood – to fulfill their hidden and not-so-hidden agendas. The only way to counter this is through Vedic wisdom of truth and rationality.

We request all visitors to support us in this noble cause in the same generous way that they have been doing so far. We are committed to maintain the faith of all of you.

Agniveer Brother, I also wish to acquaint you to another fact of interest to you. Just a few days back I chanced upon a debate in some Sunni forum (must be of Pak). One comment -particularly- drew my earnest attention. I give you this link to judge for yourself: http://islamic-forum.net/index.php?showtopic=11964

Namaste Prashant, Shri Agniveer is right.. In Vedas the meaning of the word can be interpreted according to the Context.. i have the Gujarati translation of the Rigved bhashyabhumika by Maharshi Dayanand.. and he has given “Bhowtik Arth”.. which means meaning of the Verse according to the Physics and “Bhavarth” which means the actual philosophical meaning referring to Parmatma.. the Word Agni was explained by Maharshi Dayanand as The Fire in the physical world.. and also interpreted as “The Guiding light or Margdarshak and even Energy” referring to Parmatma. So brother you can have multiple interpretations each one depending upon the Context.

What you want that we start presching the wrong things .Brother in my previos comment i have presented to quotes from rigvedbhasyebhumika itself. see them .

my point is that We should present the truth and be sticken to it as atlast its truth which win .

I hv cm across come this site just 3-4 days before i m annoyed that in presenting the good things you people are doing this then what you people do in analysing islami and christian. Really its a very big question.

I am now thinking of reviewing all the articles.

Really i m very much disappointed that these people are opposite to their movement of truth.

All persons should always be ready to accept truth and renounce untruth.

in order that the cause of truth may triumph and (that of) untruth may fail, it is the bounden duty of all men to conduct debates, whether written or oral, in a friendly spirit. Unless this course is followed, the human race can make no progress.

Now dont ask me from where these quotation are …..its better you people make up other theory.

Its further proves that you hv deliberately changing vedas meaning.

so ow you will coming with what claim…..yeah me ….Anwar zamal…..or new one.

Taqiya Guru Prashant aka Yeah me You are again exposed! The words you quoted from Rigvedadi bhashya Bhoomika are not of Swami Dayanand’s as you falsely claimed. They are written by Pandit Rajveer Shastri in “Upakramanika” of the book. Now if you have any shame, apologize first for your continuous lies which you have been spreading from the very first day you came on the site.

Namaste Yeahme aka Prashant aka whosoever, As pointed by Vajra, the quote is from a third-person foreword written 100 years after the particular book (Rigvedadibhashyabhumika) was written and 93 years after death of Swami Dayanand. This in itself provides clues to your intellectual intent as well as content. The particular quote was then lifted by Anwar Zamal for his own book ‘Dayanand – Kya Khoja Kya Paya’ or something similar. Now we come to know that even Mr Zamal does not know difference between book and its third-party foreword. Look what madarsa education does to one’s IQ.

Further, each time you spell the name of book wrongly to completely change its meaning. You miss the word ‘adi’ all together and that shows your profieciency in basic Sanskrit.

We however are completely in sync with you on your philosophy on truth and untruth. However as per commonsense as well as views of Swami Dayanand (whom you have suddenly started admiring, much to our pleasure), to debate one should ensure that the debator has no ulterior motives as well as should be intellectually competent. Your yet another attempt to show so-called proof demonstrates your intent. With several evidences to your intent (refer our previous comment), there remains no doubt about it. Now let us know of your intellect. Please send us your profile, qualifications, background, track record etc through Contact link to convince us why we should take you more seriously than a 10 year old kid on matters of Vedas as well as logical reasoning. We shall share it publicly once obtained and then facilitate for a face to face debate with a competent scholar on the topic.

Till then, we are banning you from further comments, in interest of primary theme of the article. However if you write a comment apologizing for your fraudulent conduct and revealing your honest identity, we would be keen to publish it. Dhanyavad Admin

How much more will you tell lies? Have you noticed you have been humiliated already and exposed as well??

Is this what Madarsa taught you?

Top 4 Lessons of Madarsa

Lesson1) Mecca is on the center of a SPHERICAL EARTH (Good Joke) Lesson2)Not sure if 2+2=3 or 4?(Fools Paradise) Lesson3)Killing animals in a torturous way in the name of God is scientifc?(Very Unscientific and immoral) Lesson4)Last but not the least, changing your name from Yeah Me into Prashant and doing Taqiah? (Very Stupid)

I request all members not to take this idiot seriously, its best to ignore him. All he knows how to create false claims and false names.

I’m sick and tired of you muslims’ redundant and unprovoked attacks on Hinduism!!! Look into the mirror for once! Everywhere It’s the same story: Muslims attacking and Denigrating every other religion they can have their mouths about! =========== Don’t you MUSLIMS HAVE CONSCIENCE? Or Have you sold to Allah(Satan incognito) in exchange for the virgin Houris in the his paradise? =========== Or have you killed it already? You worship the immortalized Alter ego of a Long-dead lecherous narcissist..who married as many as 13-15 women..just to have sex with them..and then when he couldn’t control his lust anyway..resorted to pedophilia..Married a 6 yr-old killed and consummated that marriage when she was 9 [Sahih Bukhari 7:62:64 and 65 and also Sahih Muslim 8:3310].. !

How dare you even open your stinging mouth about Hinduism you lout..!!

I mean I’m thoroughly disgusted to see every SLANDEROUS translation somehow coming from Devi Chand!!! How could he write such Gibberish in the Name of Vedic literature? How could he ..?

Is he even a Hindu? He was a betrayer, wasn’t he? As Chanakya Said, “foolish sons are Worse than the Dead sons”…For the first time I feel like Chanakya was Right!…

Please WRITE SOMETHING ABOUT HIM..In a NEW ARTICLE! MAKE IT CLEAR THAT HIS TRANSLATIONS ARE SCORN-WORTHY!…No matter What you do Agniveer they won’t listen unless you do something about Devi Chand!

Even if Devi Chand is/was a Hindu..That Liar was/is More damaging to the reputation of Vedas than MUSLIMS themselves..!

Even These gutter-minded pathetic Muslims know they can not Defend their Barbarisms (i.e. Islam) in an intellectual level so they have historically always resorted to Violence, Slandering and Smearing Others..Be it Religion or Be it Critics!!!!

We Hindus are weak DUMBHEADS that we Don’t publicly criticise Islam! Look ALI SINA, ROBERT SPENCER, GEERT WILDERS..They are doing it every second of everyday to save their countries from the clutches of Islam!!!

Islam is Full of VIOLENCE..QURAN ADMITS OF NO PEACE nothing even similar to Universal Peace and reconciliation with Non-Muslims!.. They are Threats to every Society be it western or Oriental..!

What Muslims don’t want to Understand:- ❶ Presuppositions that GOD is okay with Physical Abuse against Women(sura 4:34, 38:44) and overtly sanctions Polygyny(A man has 2 or more Wives)..(sura 4:3)..okay with men keeping sex-slaves (4:24..what right hand possesses=slave-girl) are intrinsically derogatory to Woman’s status in the society and also utterly debasing for THEM!.. ❷ The Idea that supposedly the creator of universe himself is approving of the Killings & Torture of Kafirs, is in itself a very strong…

[since the first message got cut] Cntd. ❷ The Idea that supposedly the creator of universe himself is approving of the Killings & Torture of Kafirs, is in itself a very strong motivation for those Terrorists who behead Innocent people..

Islamic Doctrine (-i.e. Muhammad’s astute plan to grab followers) not only Goads a *Sincere* adherent to be engaged in Violence against Innocents or Suicide Bombing, but also placates his conscience by tantalizing, alluring and Minutest description of an utterly Hedonistic celestial Brothel (With many virgins=Houris) aka Paradise…run by a Capricious, Schizophrenic Pimp(i.e. Muhammad’s Alter ego)! It doesn’t take a genius to figure this out..Does it?

Brother, We had a cursory glance through Devi Chand’s translations. We did not find anything objectionable. The meanings may be simplistic, and not provide full picture, and that would demand a more detailed work. But on face of it, nothing was demeaning as well. Please let us know if you found something of that sort and we can work in that direction.