I like Ted Ginn (the title of this, after all), so go ahead and dump. I'll take it.

We took a guy in the first round who was a late-second round prospect. We did not get Jerry Rice out of it. But, we got a guy who does have hands if not the most disciplined mind, and speed that no CB can handle. Revis is the best in the league this year. He destroyed the Mosses, the Smiths, the Ocho-stinkos. He owned them. The only guy who smoked him...was Ginn. If you even recall, he had help on Ginn's TD, and that dude was as toasted as Revis.

It's the same thing everyone seems to ignore as it has been for two seasons.Whatever we ask him to do, he does pretty decently. Rush, Receive, Return, doesn't matter. He's hit the home run from all of them.

I wonder how many All-purpose yards other Dolphins who are treated with far more affection have their first three seasons? Hmmm? Well, I guess we find out, since I have little to do today and feel a bout of print-diarrhea approaching.

Here are the Dolphin's first-3 round draft choices for the last quarter-century, and what they did with the Dolphins in their first three years or less:

Big whoop. It's not like being ranked 3rd on a list that has Chambers at number 2 is all that great.

Well, I thought that was kind of the point. Ginn has caught far more flak than all the other WRs on that list, probably more than them combined. No one seems to give a 'whoop' that the guy has done pretty well and yet is vilified like he's useless. I mean, McDuffie would be my #1 on that list, Ginn second. But OJ also had a pretty decent QB throwing the ball to him.You can say Penny, Henne, or whomever, but McDuffie had the best back there.

So far Ginn has produced more than anybody on that list, but is viewed by some as a total bust. I just find it ridiculous that most of his critics don't give a 'whoop'. As far as myself and my own 'whoops', I think number two on a list that's headed by McDuff is pretty darned good myself.

I'm a proponent for sitting one of those 11 linebackers we carry and bringing 5 receivers.

I agree.

Also, Iowa, could you shrink your sig. a little? Thanks.

No one is saying they wont carry 5 WRs, but do you really think one of Bess, Ginn, Cam, or Hartline will be a #5 WR that gets on the field for 3 plays a game? Wouldnt it make sense to include one of them in a deal to get a #1 WR or acquire more draft picks in a very deep draft? Or do you think it is the 4 of them plus Turner or a new #5 WR?

Eagles fans were cheering as Michael Irvin lay on the ground temporarily paralyzed after suffering a neck injury that I believe ended his career.

So them bashing their QB doesn't say much about the QB.

Exactly right. NFC east might be the consistantly best & toughest division & the Eagles are always right there. I dont know about him whining or how elite he is but I would not mind having McNab all these years.

Big whoop. It's not like being ranked 3rd on a list that has Chambers at number 2 is all that great.

Well, I thought that was kind of the point. Ginn has caught far more flak than all the other WRs on that list, probably more than them combined. No one seems to give a 'whoop' that the guy has done pretty well and yet is vilified like he's useless. I mean, McDuffie would be my #1 on that list, Ginn second. But OJ also had a pretty decent QB throwing the ball to him.You can say Penny, Henne, or whomever, but McDuffie had the best back there.

So far Ginn has produced more than anybody on that list, but is viewed by some as a total bust. I just find it ridiculous that most of his critics don't give a 'whoop'. As far as myself and my own 'whoops', I think number two on a list that's headed by McDuff is pretty darned good myself.

I'm not following your logic. That lists includes players that were busts. Chambers was a surprise, but he, like Ginn, drops passes like their in style. McDuffie was good, so of course he goes to the top.It's a bad list...and Ginn is on top of the bads.

Big whoop. It's not like being ranked 3rd on a list that has Chambers at number 2 is all that great.

Well, I thought that was kind of the point. Ginn has caught far more flak than all the other WRs on that list, probably more than them combined. No one seems to give a 'whoop' that the guy has done pretty well and yet is vilified like he's useless. I mean, McDuffie would be my #1 on that list, Ginn second. But OJ also had a pretty decent QB throwing the ball to him.You can say Penny, Henne, or whomever, but McDuffie had the best back there.

So far Ginn has produced more than anybody on that list, but is viewed by some as a total bust. I just find it ridiculous that most of his critics don't give a 'whoop'. As far as myself and my own 'whoops', I think number two on a list that's headed by McDuff is pretty darned good myself.

I'm not following your logic. That lists includes players that were busts. Chambers was a surprise, but he, like Ginn, drops passes like their in style. McDuffie was good, so of course he goes to the top.It's a bad list...and Ginn is on top of the bads.

The guy lays out a perfect example of why Ginn has been our best WR taken in the first 3 rounds in the past 25 years, and all you do is shoot it down? Clearly you are the one not seeing Pawfects point, not the other way around.

The point is, those are all of the WR's we've taken in the first 3 rounds in the past 25 years, and Ginn has put up the most all-purpose yards out of any of them, along with taking the most flak.

So why is a guy, who has been the most productive WR we've taken in the early rounds of the draft in a quarter century, getting beat down so badly?

Seems like people hate just to hate... spread some love... WAY 2 B PAWFECT!

I'm not following your logic. That lists includes players that were busts. Chambers was a surprise, but he, like Ginn, drops passes like their in style. McDuffie was good, so of course he goes to the top.It's a bad list...and Ginn is on top of the bads.

The guy lays out a perfect example of why Ginn has been our best WR taken in the first 3 rounds in the past 25 years, and all you do is shoot it down? Clearly you are the one not seeing Pawfects point, not the other way around.[/quote]

No kiddin! I clearly said "I'm not following your logic." Nor am I following yours. Miami has drafted jack squat for receiver in the last 25 years...Ginn's gets the most flak? No, when Chambers was here I was calling for his head. When Green was drafted people were irate. Ginn is the best of bunch of busts...there really is no point there.

I'm not following your logic. That lists includes players that were busts. Chambers was a surprise, but he, like Ginn, drops passes like their in style. McDuffie was good, so of course he goes to the top.It's a bad list...and Ginn is on top of the bads.

The guy lays out a perfect example of why Ginn has been our best WR taken in the first 3 rounds in the past 25 years, and all you do is shoot it down? Clearly you are the one not seeing Pawfects point, not the other way around.

The point is, those are all of the WR's we've taken in the first 3 rounds in the past 25 years, and Ginn has put up the most all-purpose yards out of any of them, along with taking the most flak.

So why is a guy, who has been the most productive WR we've taken in the early rounds of the draft in a quarter century, getting beat down so badly?

Seems like people hate just to hate... spread some love... WAY 2 B PAWFECT!

Ginn takes the most flak because he is the only WR on that list taken as a top-10 pick of the entire draft........and although his all-purpose yards are tops, his receiving skills are still very raw.

I agree that Ginn has usefulness to the Dolphins and would be upset if he were cut/released as he is the only WR on the team that can consistently beat DB's deep........I really hope that he and Henne can get a connection going next season to take full advantage of Henne's arm strength and Ginn's speed......could be a dynamic duo if they can get on the same page with the deep ball.

No kiddin! I clearly said "I'm not following your logic." Nor am I following yours. Miami has drafted jack squat for receiver in the last 25 years...Ginn's gets the most flak? No, when Chambers was here I was calling for his head. When Green was drafted people were irate. Ginn is the best of bunch of busts...there really is no point there.

No kiddin! I clearly said "I'm not following your logic." Nor am I following yours. Miami has drafted jack squat for receiver in the last 25 years...Ginn's gets the most flak? No, when Chambers was here I was calling for his head. When Green was drafted people were irate. Ginn is the best of bunch of busts...there really is no point there.

The guy lays out a perfect example of why Ginn has been our best WR taken in the first 3 rounds in the past 25 years, and all you do is shoot it down? Clearly you are the one not seeing Pawfects point, not the other way around.

The point is, those are all of the WR's we've taken in the first 3 rounds in the past 25 years, and Ginn has put up the most all-purpose yards out of any of them, along with taking the most flak.

So why is a guy, who has been the most productive WR we've taken in the early rounds of the draft in a quarter century, getting beat down so badly?

That Ginn is 3rd on that list shows how bad a list it is.

There simply is no disputing that.

Jay Fiedler was the best QB we had for a decade. Does that mean he was a franchise QB?

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Chambers did not have 18 TDs in his first three seasons. He had 21 receiving touchdowns. (Ginn had 5)

pawfectgent wrote:

What I do know is that for the last twenty-five years, Ginn has been the most productive WR we have taken in the early rounds of the draft in his first three seasons.

I'm going to have to completely disagree with you here.

If you're a kick returner on a bad team, as Ginn was, then you're going to quickly rack up "Total Yards" stats. So the significance of a returners yardage totals on a bad team is not as great as it may appear to be to some. And obviously "Total Yards" has absolutely no bearing on the productivity of Ginn as a wide receiever.

Chris Chambers was far and away a more effective and impactful player (let alone receiver) in his first three years - and I'm taking Ginn's return game into account when I say that. But let's compare only their receiving statistics directly for a second:

Ginn's return totals do not make up the vast difference in productivity here, because the overwhelming majority of Ginn's return efforts just got us back around the 20 on a kickoff return, which is not uncommon... and Chambers TD totals alone might outweigh every statistic Ginn has put up combined. So in my opinion Chambers was clearly more productive in his first three seasons.

Then we have the perfect fan blog-point. Some see things one way, some the other. I have been a supporter of TGs' and still am, others haven't been or still aren't. Does he frustrate me when he doesn't come through? Absolutely. It's like going for a snack and the item you wanted is all gone, jar is empty, no bread, etc.