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Re: Does Apache Have a 'Rule' Problem, or does the Incubator sometimes just make it look that way?

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Sat, 26 Nov 2011 02:51:43 GMT

Amen, brother! If it's not checked into the website, it doesn't count
as documentation that's actually useful to most people.
Being more successful (and we've certainly gotten better) at getting
sufficient consensus on the right way to do something and then clearly
writing it down once at a stable URL would be a huge win for all sorts
of our processes.
- Shane, who himself is often guilty of answering the question on email
and failing to do the right thing to update the doc and point to that as
the proper (and permanent URL'd) answer
On 2011-11-24 10:18 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> Coordination problems (getting everyone here on the same page)
> require community documentation and constant pointers to said
> documentation in order to be fully resolved.
>
> Whenever we find ourselves making contradicting statements over
> time, the healthy thing to do is to put together such a document
> on the wiki or on the site that explains what happened and how
> we resolved it.
>
>
> Simply referring to past emails here is inconclusive at best
> unless they are comments from the chair.
>
> YMMV
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Benson Margulies<bimargulies@gmail.com>
>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2011 10:14 AM
>> Subject: Does Apache Have a 'Rule' Problem, or does the Incubator sometimes just
make it look that way?
>>
>> When the hot air manufacturers start ragging on us, one of the usual
>> tags that they paint is 'rules' and 'bureaucracy'. If you read
>> general@, you will see a fairly regular occurrence that feeds this
>> perception.
>>
>> Someone poses a question about NOTICE files, or IP, or release structure.
>>
>> If they are lucky, they get 3 disagreeing responses in short order.
>> Why lucky? Because that gives them a clue that perhaps none of them
>> are the right answer. If they are unlucky, they get a one answer,
>> confidently worded. And then they put in hours of work based on that
>> answer.
>>
>> Time passes. A release, or even a graduation vote arrives. Suddenly,
>> some crusty veteran arrives on the scene to tell them that what
>> they've done is wrong, or inadequate, or purple.
>>
>> This is not precisely wonderful from a PR standpoint.
>>
>> What can we do as a PMC to improve this?
>>
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