There were a bunch of people dressed up as batman and they all looked pretty dorky but this one group came in and two of there guys dressed up and they looked pretty sweet, the dude had an awesome batman suit, pretty much looked exactly like the film and the other guy dressed up as Bane and he looked pretty badass....I was praying he wouldnt sit by me. Might of wet myself.

I don't know what was scarier, Bane or the Massive Boner I had walking to my car after the movie.

Bane's definitely scarier. I think we all had massive boners after the movie.

I really think Nolan is done. I could see him trying to do something no one else has, which is make Robin badass, but I really think he is done. But I hope that ending was foreshadowing and not just some cute little joke.

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Brilliant letting one of Scott Pioli's henchmen have his own team to ruin. One of the premier GM jobs in the NFL and it gets handed to a stupid **** who makes three facepalm moves for every good one. Awesome. Just like handing a new Mercedes to a 16 year old girl who's already been in three wrecks.

First, you should know that nowadays Dick Grayson’s actual full name in the comics is Richard John Grayson. John Grayson was Dick Grayson’s father, the father who eventually died along with Dick’s mother, Mary, leading to Dick being taken in by Batman and later becoming Robin. In adulthood, Dick left Bruce’s side and set out on his own with the new masked identity Nightwing.
Second, you should know that in adulthood, Dick Grayson became a street cop as his daytime identity. This helped him know the city better, learn more about crime and criminals in his area, and so on.

Now, we’ve only seen a very little bit about the film character John Blake, but what we’ve seen is that he’s a young cop whom the trailers depict assisting Batman in the fight against Bane, and Blake is shown having some sort of involvement with an orphanage/boys home.

So, a cop named John who assists Batman, who uses a symbol that upside-up looks like Nightwing’s emblem and upside-down looks like a robin bird. To top it all off, this is the final Batman film, the end of the legend, and I think Nolan wants to create a complete Batman mythology that touches on the most iconic elements of the Batman mythos. So I feel the inclusion of some sort of nod to Dick Grayson is something Nolan might really want to include.

So, is John Blake really Dick Grayson, using a new last name because he was adopted from that orphanage? Will this be the “realistic” depiction of Robin/Nightwing for Nolan’s Batman universe? I think so, and I think the above evidence supports the theory pretty well.

My only real problem with the movie was the score. It almost never stopped except for one notable scene which happened to be the best scene. It was a bit distracting and did muddle quite a bit of the dialogue.

Nolan and Zimmer like to do that. They did in in Inception too. But I didn't find the score distracting. As for dialogue, there were two lines of Bane that I absolutely couldn't decipher. Otherwise, it wasn't too bad.

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Brilliant letting one of Scott Pioli's henchmen have his own team to ruin. One of the premier GM jobs in the NFL and it gets handed to a stupid **** who makes three facepalm moves for every good one. Awesome. Just like handing a new Mercedes to a 16 year old girl who's already been in three wrecks.

God I could talk about this film till night time tomorrow lol. My friends and I were discussing the "perfect ending" and I was like....A perfect ending would of been that ending and then at the end of the Credits Batman 4 just started right up hahaha

Brilliant letting one of Scott Pioli's henchmen have his own team to ruin. One of the premier GM jobs in the NFL and it gets handed to a stupid **** who makes three facepalm moves for every good one. Awesome. Just like handing a new Mercedes to a 16 year old girl who's already been in three wrecks.

I just read a story about that. That guy is just the worst kind of human being.

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Brilliant letting one of Scott Pioli's henchmen have his own team to ruin. One of the premier GM jobs in the NFL and it gets handed to a stupid **** who makes three facepalm moves for every good one. Awesome. Just like handing a new Mercedes to a 16 year old girl who's already been in three wrecks.

Honestly, I'm on the fence about the final film. It's a good movie, but at the same time I feel just like The Dark Knight, Bruce Wayne seems to be regulated to the background almost. This is more so John Blake's story. Which was fine, but I was just a little surprised he was featured so prominently. I think he has more screen time than Batman. I had a feeling that since he was played up to be a big character in the advertising, that the "passing the torch" thing would happen, and as the film went on and on it became more obvious.

I wish there was almost more chemistry between Batman and Catwoman like there was in the comics. It depends how people like their chemistry between Batman and Catwoman though. For me, until the very end it seemed like there wasn't a hint of a romance at all. Catwoman was just another person helping out that had a good heart underneath her life of crime. I guess it was better than being forced though. Anne Hathaway had a good performance though.

Honestly I thought the "Robin" name at the end was a joke or something or just a tip of the hat to the people that kept asking Nolan about Robin. Especially since his name is John Blake and not Dick Grayson. I like how he took up his legacy at the end, but...I just seem him as another guy that is taking up the mantle. Not the Robin I've come to know. I guess I wasn't a fan of the retconned origin story for a previously established character.

Bane was fantastic. Too bad he was regulated towards the background in the final few minutes of the film. I really loved his conviction and presence though. Talia stabbing Batman and Catwoman saving Batman weren't that shocking to me when it happened, but whatever. Talia's backstory was a surprise though and I liked how it played out.

All in all a good movie like I said. Seeing the trilogy at the same time was nice. Didn't see The Man of Steel trailer. I was kind of ticked about that. If I had to rank them though I still like Batman Begins the best and as of now it's a tie between The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises.

Well done Christopher Nolan. These last eight years have truly been a marvel and this incarnation of Batman was indeed awesome.

There were a bunch of people dressed up as batman and they all looked pretty dorky but this one group came in and two of there guys dressed up and they looked pretty sweet, the dude had an awesome batman suit, pretty much looked exactly like the film and the other guy dressed up as Bane and he looked pretty badass....I was praying he wouldnt sit by me. Might of wet myself.

Was anyone dressed like Joker? I know when I go to Oriole games they will be playing a team like the Blue Jays and you will see douchers with Redsox or Yankee gear on.

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Honestly, I'm on the fence about the final film. It's a good movie, but at the same time I feel just like The Dark Knight, Bruce Wayne seems to be regulated to the background almost. This is more so John Blake's story. Which was fine, but I was just a little surprised he was featured so prominently. I think he has more screen time than Batman. I had a feeling that since he was played up to be a big character in the advertising, that the "passing the torch" thing would happen, and as the film went on and on it became more obvious.

I wish there was almost more chemistry between Batman and Catwoman like there was in the comics. It depends how people like their chemistry between Batman and Catwoman though. For me, until the very end it seemed like there wasn't a hint of a romance at all. Catwoman was just another person helping out that had a good heart underneath her life of crime. I guess it was better than being forced though. Anne Hathaway had a good performance though.

Honestly I thought the "Robin" name at the end was a joke or something or just a tip of the hat to the people that kept asking Nolan about Robin. Especially since his name is John Blake and not Dick Grayson. I like how he took up his legacy at the end, but...I just seem him as another guy that is taking up the mantle. Not the Robin I've come to know. I guess I wasn't a fan of the retconned origin story for a previously established character.

Bane was fantastic. Too bad he was regulated towards the background in the final few minutes of the film. I really loved his conviction and presence though. Talia stabbing Batman and Catwoman saving Batman weren't that shocking to me when it happened, but whatever. Talia's backstory was a surprise though and I liked how it played out.

All in all a good movie like I said. Seeing the trilogy at the same time was nice. Didn't see The Man of Steel trailer. I was kind of ticked about that. If I had to rank them though I still like Batman Begins the best and as of now it's a tie between The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises.

Well done Christopher Nolan. These last eight years have truly been a marvel and this incarnation of Batman was indeed awesome.

The Man of Steel trailer was really nothing. It was shots of a teenager then a dude flying. That's it. No mention of plot, characters, etc. Just a 30 second teaser.

Am I the only one who thinks batman is still alive? I remember twice in the movie they talked about how that thing had auto pilot on it. I could easily have seen batman use the auto pilot and eject.

Not to be a nitpicking prick but i wish they gave some sort of closure to what happened to the joker, like is he in jail or dead. That isnt a biggie but I thought it would have been cool.

When Blake said to the commissioner you put all those criminals away on a lie what exactly did he mean by that? Did he mean because they painted Harvey dent to be a hero and batman to be the villian when really it was the opposite.

Also in the begining of the movie how did Blake know Bruce Wayne was batman. Also how did Bane know it was him too?

OVerall it was a real good movie i thought it got a little long after bane took the city hostage i think that part could have been better but still i thought it was good.

Am I the only one who thinks batman is still alive? I remember twice in the movie they talked about how that thing had auto pilot on it. I could easily have seen batman use the auto pilot and eject.

Not to be a nitpicking prick but i wish they gave some sort of closure to what happened to the joker, like is he in jail or dead. That isnt a biggie but I thought it would have been cool.

When Blake said to the commissioner you put all those criminals away on a lie what exactly did he mean by that? Did he mean because they painted Harvey dent to be a hero and batman to be the villian when really it was the opposite.

Also in the begining of the movie how did Blake know Bruce Wayne was batman. Also how did Bane know it was him too?

OVerall it was a real good movie i thought it got a little long after bane took the city hostage i think that part could have been better but still i thought it was good.

They showed Bruce alive in France with Selina Kyle. Who I would never imagine I would say wanted to see more from, Hathaway was great in the role. Bane knew because he was given the knowledge from Talia and the League of Shadows.

We are supposed to believe Blake just can tell what Batman/Bruce Wayne's real mask is ala Rachel's speech at the end of Batman Begins.

Here are my thoughts, and I'm no movie buff - not even close. I haven't been to the movies since seeing District 9 before this and all the discussions on this site about director rankings and actor rankings go way over my head - I'm just not that into it. All I do is re-watch The Wire a million times, Game of Thrones, Thursday NBC, re-watch Arrested Development. My movie scope is the opposite of vast. But I do appreciate a good story, regardless of the vehicle used to display it.

The Dark Knight was one of the most entertaining movies I had ever seen, and later became one of my favorites when I re-watched a dozen times and saw Batman Begins (right up there with Naked Gun and Star Wars). Begins I liked but wasn't huge on. It WAS because of the Joker, but the rest of the movie was also very good. The plot was fine, there were a few stunners, and just enough Batman. It felt like a Batman movie AND a police drama with enough realism to it that made its messages and themes extremely interesting and thought-provoking.

This movie to me, was no Dark Knight, and after a first watch, not even close. It was fairly entertaining. It was OK. I knew it wouldn't live up to my expectations just because TDK was so damn good, so I lowered them and even with that left slightly, slightly dissatisfied. Maybe it was because of midnight, maybe I'll like it more the second time. I probably missed a lot. But it wasn't 'great' after a first watch. Good, OK. We'll go with 'good.'

Keep in mind that I'm only a fan, and this is only my opinion. Here are my issues with the movie:

First off all, it renders The Dark Knight pointless in the scheme of the trilogy. Yes you can point to things that happened that set up this movie, but realistically this was a sequel to Begins and everything that happened in the Dark Knight was inconsequential. Batman becomes the villain but save for one time where he has to run from the police, he's on the same side as the cops for the long haul. Yes I'm sure you movie guys will point to the very important character development in TDK, but this movie didn't really have anything plot-wise to do with it besides the jail stuff/lie/Harvey Dent which I think you can spin to be important, but really wasn't. The bottom line was the league of shadows was back for their cause/to carry out its plan in honor of Rhas. Harvey Dent was on the small scale - TDK scale - the smaller scope that I enjoyed more that I'll touch on later.

JGL's character, save for a couple of cool action sequences (the ricochet was sick), is relegated to a BUS MONITOR TEACHER AIDE at the most crucial point in the film. Yes at the end it kinda makes sense and makes him a little worth it, but when you think about all he did before that, what was the point? I feel like all he was there for was to become Robin at the end. He also should have died a bunch of times and really has no business fighting crime as Robin. Wayne's transformation to Batman made sense. It was organic. He learned to become a freaking ninja and had Fox doing all the gadgets and stuff. What the hell is JGL? A trained idealistic police? I don't know. This movie could have worked without him. This was a waste in my opinion - I would have rather seen another villain for such a big-time actor.

The slick thing about the Dark Knight was that it did depict terrorism and terrorist themes, but there was just enough comic-book-ish-ness to not feel TOO terrorish, mainly because of the Joker, and also because the things the Joker was trying to accomplish weren't at the scale of 'we need the President.' It was a battle in Gotham for the GOODNESS OF the PEOPLE of GOTHAM, not a battle for the infrastructure of an entire US City. It made sense that the police spearheaded the effort in TDK and Batman fit in perfectly.

This film on the other hand felt like a blatant terrorist film that Batman happened to be in. I guess Batman Begins was similar but the train was a personal thing for Wayne and most of the movie was about how Batman began, with only the final sequence being a 'save Gotham.' And again, it wasn't the insanely large SCOPE of terrorism that this was. One man does not make that much of a difference in stopping a Nuclear bomb. I guess I can buy it a litttttttttle because Fox actually made the bomb so there's that connection, but the scope of the attacks would call for the military, and there were reasons why they couldn't get involved I think (something about Bane threatening to detonate it if people left/came? I think?), but the scope of terror was just too damn much for a super hero/police film. What I mean is, that type of terrorism a well-thought-out plan by a well-trained, idealistic, extremist, willing-to-die for their cause group is something that is a very real and scary possibility (stock exchange, sporting event, and the worst, nuke). The movie does a good job of making us think about it and I think the movie tries to do this. But with that scope, where the hell does a guy dressing up like a bat fit in? In the scope of a comicy, fake but with realistic attributes Gotham city, Batman beating up bad guys and saving Hospitals and Ferries is fine. In this one, it just didn't really feel right.

I had no issues with Catwoman (except that they didn't show her ass enough and I wasn't able to bang her) but nothing surprised me about her so it was very bleh. If JGL's character maybe wasn't in the film they could have gone back and done some more stuff on her. She's so ******* hot.

Bane's death sucked. There's no way around it. I have no idea how to make it better but it sucked. I liked Bane, but he was too talkative and the movie just lacked a villain that I either HATED or wanted to understand more (the Joker did both). Bane should have done something really ****** up to get us to hate him more early in the film. He was pretty likeable and understandable because of his backstory and his backstory was pretty good so there's that. Also it was stupid how Batman was ******* dominated in the sewer but then somehow won, after probably being a little tired coming back to Gotham from the ******* desert and being there so long, in their second fight. Not a big deal but it wasn't like Luke Skywalker who had to finish his training and was just more confident and ready the second time he faced Vader.

Taila was eh and expected. Her death was a little weird too because we really didn't have any connection to her other than as an extension of Liam Neeson. I didn't have a problem with her I just wish I didn't read any predictions beforehand because I knew it was coming - Bane as the singular most important true villain was never going to be the case.

Two things I never thought I'd like (they were both inevitable) but actually did:
1) When he finally gets up the well. It was pretty uplifting - more for the guys cheering him on than him.
2) Alfred at the tombstones (just very good, that's when you know a story's characters have captivated you - when the payoff that you knew was coming still moves you in some way).

I was very upset there was no Joker cameo especially when they gave us stupid Scarecrow for no good reason and that Joker was in that ******* jail!

Here's my one question:
Did the end with him surviving have something to do with the AUTOPILOT they kept talking about? I didn't catch the last thing with Fox? What was said/what did Wayne leave that surprised Fox?

EDIT: ah, dabears10 answered my question with the post below. I like that slick ending. Dropping a nuke in the ocean is pretty dumb but it works, and it's believable that he simply dropped out of The Bat way, way, before it detonated. I guess. Still, it's cool that Fox finds that out and he's alive and gets to bang Anne Hathaway.

Here are my thoughts, and I'm no movie buff - not even close. I haven't been to the movies since seeing District 9 before this and all the discussions on this site about director rankings and actor rankings go way over my head - I'm just not that into it. All I do is re-watch The Wire a million times, Game of Thrones, Thursday NBC, re-watch Arrested Development. My movie scope is the opposite of vast. But I do appreciate a good story, regardless of the vehicle used to display it.

The Dark Knight was one of the most entertaining movies I had ever seen, and later became one of my favorites when I re-watched a dozen times and saw Batman Begins (right up there with Naked Gun and Star Wars). Begins I liked but wasn't huge on. It WAS because of the Joker, but the rest of the movie was also very good. The plot was fine, there were a few stunners, and just enough Batman. It felt like a Batman movie AND a police drama with enough realism to it that made its messages and themes extremely interesting and thought-provoking.

This movie to me, was no Dark Knight, and after a first watch, not even close. It was fairly entertaining. It was OK. I knew it wouldn't live up to my expectations just because TDK was so damn good, so I lowered them and even with that left slightly, slightly dissatisfied. Maybe it was because of midnight, maybe I'll like it more the second time. I probably missed a lot. But it wasn't 'great' after a first watch. Good, OK. We'll go with 'good.'

Keep in mind that I'm only a fan, and this is only my opinion. Here are my issues with the movie:

First off all, it renders The Dark Knight pointless in the scheme of the trilogy. Yes you can point to things that happened that set up this movie, but realistically this was a sequel to Begins and everything that happened in the Dark Knight was inconsequential. Batman becomes the villain but save for one time where he has to run from the police, he's on the same side as the cops for the long haul. Yes I'm sure you movie guys will point to the very important character development in TDK, but this movie didn't really have anything plot-wise to do with it besides the jail stuff/lie/Harvey Dent which I think you can spin to be important, but really wasn't. The bottom line was the league of shadows was back for their cause/to carry out its plan in honor of Rhas. Harvey Dent was on the small scale - TDK scale - the smaller scope that I enjoyed more that I'll touch on later.

JGL's character, save for a couple of cool action sequences (the ricochet was sick), is relegated to a BUS MONITOR TEACHER AIDE at the most crucial point in the film. Yes at the end it kinda makes sense and makes him a little worth it, but when you think about all he did before that, what was the point? I feel like all he was there for was to become Robin at the end. He also should have died a bunch of times and really has no business fighting crime as Robin. Wayne's transformation to Batman made sense. It was organic. He learned to become a freaking ninja and had Fox doing all the gadgets and stuff. What the hell is JGL? A trained idealistic police? I don't know. This movie could have worked without him. This was a waste in my opinion - I would have rather seen another villain for such a big-time actor.

The slick thing about the Dark Knight was that it did depict terrorism and terrorist themes, but there was just enough comic-book-ish-ness to not feel TOO terrorish, mainly because of the Joker, and also because the things the Joker was trying to accomplish weren't at the scale of 'we need the President.' It was a battle in Gotham for the GOODNESS OF the PEOPLE of GOTHAM, not a battle for the infrastructure of an entire US City. It made sense that the police spearheaded the effort in TDK and Batman fit in perfectly.

This film on the other hand felt like a blatant terrorist film that Batman happened to be in. I guess Batman Begins was similar but the train was a personal thing for Wayne and most of the movie was about how Batman began, with only the final sequence being a 'save Gotham.' And again, it wasn't the insanely large SCOPE of terrorism that this was. One man does not make that much of a difference in stopping a Nuclear bomb. I guess I can buy it a litttttttttle because Fox actually made the bomb so there's that connection, but the scope of the attacks would call for the military, and there were reasons why they couldn't get involved I think (something about Bane threatening to detonate it if people left/came? I think?), but the scope of terror was just too damn much for a super hero/police film. What I mean is, that type of terrorism a well-thought-out plan by a well-trained, idealistic, extremist, willing-to-die for their cause group is something that is a very real and scary possibility (stock exchange, sporting event, and the worst, nuke). The movie does a good job of making us think about it and I think the movie tries to do this. But with that scope, where the hell does a guy dressing up like a bat fit in? In the scope of a comicy, fake but with realistic attributes Gotham city, Batman beating up bad guys and saving Hospitals and Ferries is fine. In this one, it just didn't really feel right.

I had no issues with Catwoman (except that they didn't show her ass enough and I wasn't able to bang her) but nothing surprised me about her so it was very bleh. If JGL's character maybe wasn't in the film they could have gone back and done some more stuff on her. She's so ******* hot.

Bane's death sucked. There's no way around it. I have no idea how to make it better but it sucked. I liked Bane, but he was too talkative and the movie just lacked a villain that I either HATED or wanted to understand more (the Joker did both). Bane should have done something really ****** up to get us to hate him more early in the film. He was pretty likeable and understandable because of his backstory and his backstory was pretty good so there's that. Also it was stupid how Batman was ******* dominated in the sewer but then somehow won, after probably being a little tired coming back to Gotham from the ******* desert and being there so long, in their second fight. Not a big deal but it wasn't like Luke Skywalker who had to finish his training and was just more confident and ready the second time he faced Vader.

Taila was eh and expected. Her death was a little weird too because we really didn't have any connection to her other than as an extension of Liam Neeson. I didn't have a problem with her I just wish I didn't read any predictions beforehand because I knew it was coming - Bane as the singular most important true villain was never going to be the case.

Two things I never thought I'd like (they were both inevitable) but actually did:
1) When he finally gets up the well. It was pretty uplifting - more for the guys cheering him on than him.
2) Alfred at the tombstones (just very good, that's when you know a story's characters have captivated you - when the payoff that you knew was coming still moves you in some way).

I was very upset there was no Joker cameo especially when they gave us stupid Scarecrow for no good reason and that Joker was in that ******* jail!

Here's my one question:
Did the end with him surviving have something to do with the AUTOPILOT they kept talking about? I didn't catch the last thing with Fox? What was said/what did Wayne leave that surprised Fox?

EDIT: ah, dabears10 answered my question with the post below. I like that slick ending. Dropping a nuke in the ocean is pretty dumb but it works, and it's believable that he simply dropped out of The Bat way, way, before it detonated. I guess. Still, it's cool that Fox finds that out and he's alive and gets to bang Anne Hathaway.

I didn't get as much terrorism motif from this movie at all. I was getting a lot 99% 1% type stuff with Catwoman and more political stuff like tyranny of the majority and the like. Something I was more interested in, was that were there citizens of Gotham that joined Bane's side because he was talking about taking all of Gotham's rich people back to the people?

Also, I would argue that each movie doesn't have to be an extension of a previous movie. TDK really doesn't have much to do with Begins at all. This movie has a lot more to do with the Dark Knight than the TDK had with Begins.

I really believe the plot in this one was more engaging, but didn't have any character that could have been nearly as engaging as Ledger's Joker. Watching the trilogy again just shows how awesome the Joker is as a character.

One of the complaints people had after the Dark Knight is that Two-face had about 20 minutes of relevance before death. Dent was of huge relevance in this movie and it really showed on the ever enjoyable Gary Oldman's performance.