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Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Copyright 2006 John Best

Monday, March 27, 2006

Neurodiversity Versus Northeastern

I have to thank Kathleen Seidel for showing us the alleged exchange between herself and Dr Deth. I say "alleged" because I never know what to believe from this group of anonymous child abusers.I can just picture Dr Deth laughing at Kathleen using anonymous blogs as references to support her deranged opinions about the science involved with the autism-mercury debate. Maybe I'll start a blog where I say I'm a surgeon so it looks like I'm some sort of expert to counter the opinions of people who think it's a good idea to keep poisoning children with mercury. If any of these bloggers she uses as expert references were really scientists who had some expertise to share, one would think they would use their names to give credibility to their sites.I especially like her using Prometheus as a reference. This guy went to the trouble of training his "Yes Men" in reasoning and argument so they could deflect opposing views for him by allegedly using logic. When one confronts Prometheus, they are immediately descended upon by a pack of howling "philosophers" decrying any slip in precise argument technique. They have to use this method since all their arguments are invalid by being devoid of the element of truth.It amazes me that anyone with an autistic child would turn down an offer to have an expert researcher come to her house to explain the science involved. This woman must really hate her child to ignore this information that might set her kid free of autism. It seems that, rather than being concerned with helping her child, Seidel is more concerned with trying any last gasp measure to discredit the scientists who do want to help our poisoned kids. That must be why she gets bogged down in discussing the lawsuits. Whether Dr Deth testifies or not is irrelevant to the scientific information he gives us that helps us learn how to cure autism. But, character assassination is one of those things you learn how to excel at when you enroll in Neurodiverse Writing 101.Kathleen must agree with Senator Judd Gregg from our state who repeatedly informs me that we have to protect our drug companies from going out of business. He says the same thing in every reply he sends me when I ask him to address the problem of autism. Maybe Kathleen is heavily invested in the drug market. She can't have any concern for what autism is doing to our property taxes here. They just keep going up to pay for the increased special education budget in the schools. One would think a property owner here would like to see the people who caused that problem pay for it instead of sticking the taxpayers with it. We are well aware that Judd Gregg doesn't give a damn how high property taxes go as long as he takes care of his pals in Pharma. Kathleen must subscribe to the same philosophy.The most amusing part of her little exchange with Dr Deth is the fact that she won't accept his proposed wager. Kathleen must expect that she will be proven wrong beyond all doubt very soon.

I'd love to tell you John but I have another bet going - a double or quits kind of thing - I can't tell you until you win me that one too :o)

What does usualy mean? Get a dictionary.

My abject apologies for my unforgivable placing of an erronous 'y' on the end of the word 'usual'. I should've anticipated it would've made the sentence unfathomable to someone such as yourself. Please rest assured I'm beating myself up about it.

"Kevin would never make things up in a sleazy attempt to make himself look sane."

...but John frequently does :o)

....but fails to make himself look sane :o)

Hey John - whats your opinion on that made up AWARES conference again? Care to exlain how I craftily corroborated my plan by planting a story on BBC news 4 years ago? Before my daughter was even diagnosed? Before I even knew you existed?

I'm not much given to overt crudities John but it seems to me that the phrase 'dumb fuck' was coined expressley to describe you.

Kevin; If I were you, I'd be deleting all of your posts now for calling me names. Maybe you're just angry at me for provoking you into calling your own daughter a monkey.I think you need some help with anger management. Maybe "Sanity Pending" will give you some free advice. I think someone who decides to leave poison in his daughter's brain would be the one who is having sanity problems.

"If I were you, I'd be deleting all of your posts now for calling me names."

I'm sure you would. Thats because you are essentially a coward who is afraid to stand by his own words. Look how you bleat every time someone quotes you from somewhere else.

"Maybe you're just angry at me for provoking you into calling your own daughter a monkey."

Remind me agan - and this time try and actually answer me - where is it I did that? I can link you stright to the place you originally compared my daughter to a trained monkey. I can link you through to the place where you offered to send my daughter excess bananas your wife had bought. I can link you through to the place where you said I could probably teach my daughter to swing from the trees.....should I go on?

"I think you need some help with anger management."

Whereas I think you just need help. Period.

And don't flatter yourself that you make me angry. You revolt me, yes. You make me despair for your poor boy trapped with you but you're not capable of inspiring anger in me John - you're too much of a clown for that :o)

Kevin; Why did you cut that last comment from me short? Are you afraid to face those words? You notice your insults have not been deleted. I'm not bleating, Kev. I'm just using humor to point out the idiocy of you and Neurodiversity with all of your stupid quote mining. You can't dream up any decent arguments to support your deranged nonsense so you keep trying character assassination. I had a good laugh reading "Sanity Pending"s" rants on your blog. Get some lessons in reading comprehension, Kev. I compared the act of teaching a monkey a simple task to illustrate the fact that you couldn't teach the monkey or an autistic kid to play poker. You transmuted that to an attack on your daughter instead of correctly interpreting it as an attack on your own stupidity. Of course, that was due to your penchant for using character assassination as your favorite argument technique. I don't need any help to deal with the likes of you Kevin. You provide me plenty of laughter. I take the chelation of my son seriously but poking fun at the whole notion of leaving mercury in children's brains is just too stupid to ignore. I just can't help myself from giving you and your wacky tribe all the shots you so richly deserve for falling for the propaganda that is aimed at you by the companies who poisoned your children. You're all too damn stupid to see the truth! How come no comment on my suggestion that you get some help from Andrews? LOL I can't stop laughing when I picture someone bringing their child to him for help. I won't have much time for blogging after tomorrow, Kev. Thanks for coming to visit. There was a void in my life since I got kicked out of AutAdvo and you and your wackos were kind enough to come here so I could laugh at you some more. Yuh, Kev. Celebrate the Neurodiversity. Don't help your kid. That's just what the drug companies want. What a simpleton.

Joe; Since I don't take issue with those quotes aside from what I already mentioned, it would seem that you should remove that mercury from your head so you can learn how to think straight. Then you might find yourself agreeing with what I had to say. Refusing to help children who have been poisoned and defending the criminals who caused the autism epidemic is proof of your inability to think logically and with compassion. You can play with the statistics all you want but you can't change the fact that autism went from zero to 1,600 in my state in 12 years with similar increases evrywhere else. You also can't manufacture those 75 year old autistics who don't exist. All you can come up with is some far-fetched claims about a few famous people who may have exhibited some autistic traits. Genius does not equate to autism. However, autism, by definition is a disability that hinders the person so afflicted. The increase in mercury has rendered kids today totally incapacitated and you prattle on with nonsense claiming they will progress as adults. You got less mercury and that's why you're not totally incapacitated. My son, JB's son and many others are proving you wrong. It's time you woke up and stopped and defending criminals, Frank.

John Best is a nit whit. He holds himself up as a prime example of neurotypicality. He says: "I will give my child a chance to be normal and if he cannot manage it then I will institutionalize him."

Well, I have seen the low end of normal. Mr. Best is certainly there, with the red neck scum. He is a fine example that there is a better way than "normal". He is a prime example that "normal" is bad. I want nothing to do with Mr. bests "normal".

He has it wrong. Mr. Best is the disease from which we must save ourselves. Thank you, Mr. Best, for being an example of what is wrong with the world.

Any Mouse; I'm aware you don't appreciate normalcy. You've shown us you'd rather hang around with perverts who like to send pictures of their grroins to people. Normal guys like me don't do deranged things of that nature.

Define normal, and then define abnormal. You can't. How dare you even try. And how dare you make judgements about people you don't know based on vague lables and things you don't understand.

I believe I said: "If YOU represent normal then I want nothing to do with normal". It was an insult, you retarded excuse for a human being. I know things are difficult for you, you pathetic redneck scum and how sad it must be for your son to have you as a father. I am sorry for your son, Mr. Best. You, however, should be prosecuted.

Stop misinterpreting what people say. Stop publishing hate literature against groups of people. Yes, I believe a site labled hating autism is hate literature. You should be imprisonned.

Any Mouse; Your warped opinions of normalcy are a great argument for curing autism. One definition of abnormal would be sending pictures of one's groin to people along with being idiotic enough to support someone so perverse. Hating autism and the wack jobs who claim it shouldn't be cured is not the same as hating people with autism, simpleton. Kathleen Seidel and Lietch and others in your tribe are the ones who hate autistic people. They are the morons who take sides with the drug companies who poisoned their own children. It is your tribe of wackos who advocate keeping children autistic so that they and their families have to suffer with this nightmare that turned our kids from normal into train wrecks. You are all child abusers as well as being morons.

Another definition of abnormal might be someone who drugs the hell out of their child and then threatens to institutionalize the poor child if the child does not live up to his idea of "normal". Oh, I am wrong. That would be a definition od criminally amoral.

Mouse; Your warped brain can't fathom that sane parents are treating the mercury poisoning to try to keep their kids from being locked away.Only simpletons who subscribe to neurodiversity would let their kid's brains rot instead of helping them. This site serves to educate people about the insanity that calls itself neurodiversity, a collection of wackos, weirdos and simpletons who abuse children through their utter stupidity.

Mouse; I think it is your friend who wants to mail pictures of his groin to people who is dysfuntional. It's not my fault you are all wack jobs. I just put your nonsense in perspective so it's easy for people to see that your philosophy harms children. The more I converse with you, the more evident it is that you need lots of help.

fore sam said:Jypsy;Leave it to you to find some freak to pervert the Bible.

John, did you listen to the message in the link? The man spoke the truth about homophobes perverting the *true message* of Christ. So sorry you can't understand that..."Mene mene tekel upharsin". You have been weighed in the balance and are found wanting.*

John, I don't know if you are aware of it, but you are persevorating on David Andrew's testicles. You mention them continuously. You are proving to everyone that you are gay.

I doubt you are aware of it. So you are an autistic homosexual in denial. You are like those gay bashers that go around thinking the more homosexuals they beat up the more it proves they are straight. Sorry, John, You are weird, gay and dangerous.

Kevin; You are lying to yourself in convincing yourself you are doing the right thing for your daughter. You are a negligent idiot in allowing your kid to suffer when you might be able to help her. Listening to a bunch of fools who are too stupid to help themselves is not in your kid's best interest. You (pl) should all have your kids taken away and given to parents who will help them. Stupidity is not a crime but, in the case of the Neurodiverse, I would make an exception for the sake of the children who you bunch of jackasses are leaving to rot.

I really liked it when John tried to impress us with his intelligence. Back when he tried to argue that MB12 helped with mercury toxicity or that APOE helped to rid the brain of mercury and kids with autism had more of that form, or that alpha-lipoic acid chelates mercury.

Where's the science illiterate John Best we all loved to hate?

Oh yeah, he's found a new hobby obsessing over male genitalia. Stick with what you know Best, I guess.

Don't go insulting my size now, I'm very sensitive about that and there are several factors that come in to play. I'm warning you, if you rub me the wrong way I'll jump up and spit at you so hands off you prick!

Mr. Best has said about deleting posts: "I will delete posts about perversion."

Perverse: "marked by a disposition to oppose and contradict"

I assume you deleted my post because, by simply repeating your words,, you realized the perversion they contained. That is, your own "Having to resort to insults doesn't say much for your side of the debate."

Personally I would rather John sticks around. JB Handley has launched a new site today and a new name 'putting children first' - I want to make sure that org and name gets associated with John as well :o)

And John replied:"As long as you morons want me to delete this, it shows that it's doing some good."

Tsk, you understand *nothing* of what is said to you. What I suggested was that you go and delete *yourself*. Do the world a favor.

He went on:"Why don't you delete the mercury from your brain?"

What, with your alpha lipoic acid? I got a catalogue here from a herbal company - says it's "a vitamin-like anti-oxidant that helps fight cell-damaging free radicals in the body. Free radicals can contribute to oxidative stress, which in turn may lead to premature aging of cells. ALA also revitalizes the underlying structure of the skin, so it can look healthier and more radiant."

I don't see anything there about removing mercury. You really should try oxytocin instead.

"The use of the term neurodiversity is not an attempt to whitewash the suffering undergone by neurodiverse people, nor to romanticize what many still consider terrible afflictions (see Peter Kramer's attack on so-called romanticizers of depression). [10] Rather, its use seeks to acknowledge the richness and complexity of human nature, and specifically, of the human brain. The more we study the brain, the more we understand that it functions, not like a computer, but more like a rainforest (see Gerald Edelman's work in this regard). [11] The "brainforest," in fact, may serve as an excellent metaphor to use in the neurodiversity field to talk about how the brain responds to trauma by redirecting neurological pathways, and how genetic "flaws" may bring with them advantages as well disadvantages. Disorders such as autism, ADHD, bipolar depression, schizophrenia, and dyslexia have been in the gene pool for a long time."

"I'm not learning anything from the mercury poisoned morons who defend the companies who poisoned them."

" the mercury poisoned morons "

No evidence to confirm this (regarding either the Hg-toxicity issue or the intellectual functioning level).

" who defend the companies who poisoned them "

No evidence at all that we were poisoned by anybody, certainly regarding anything to do with autism.

"I'm not learning anything from... "

Heh... from anybody, really. And that's the really pathetic thing, Best.... you have learned nothing from anybody throughout your life.

You see what doesn't fit with your very limited world view... and then you try your hardest to ignore it (even if it is correct... or maybe ESPECIALLY if it is correct) and then get angry and paranoid when people try to point things out to you.

DNA; There's plenty of evidence. Look around at neurodiverse blogs. They all defend the drug companies. That's what's pathetic. These brain damaged people aren't smart enough to realize that Haley, Cutler, GR, etc are trying to help, not harm people like those they defend. The dopes who tell me about a few old people born before 1931 are clutching at straws in a futile attempt to show ANY autism as proof that mercury isn't the cause of an epidemic. If they were right, they should have no trouble producing millions of old folk with autism. It seems you are the one with reduced reasoning capabilities if this hasn't dawned on you.

"It seems you are the one with reduced reasoning capabilities if this hasn't dawned on you."

Mr Best...

I have seen your so-called "evidence"... that fact remains that thimerosal did not cause your son to be autistic. There is no evidence to support that view. Simple as that. Many people come here to read what you write. Not because they agree with you, but to laugh at you. I know this... I see them doing it.

"Look around at neurodiverse blogs. They all defend the drug companies. That's what's pathetic. These brain damaged people aren't smart enough to realize that Haley, Cutler, GR, etc are trying to help, not harm people like those they defend."

Actually, I have seen those blogs too. The sad and pathetic thing here is that you are so convinced by the likes of Haley and Cutler, when in fact their mission is not to help people... rather, it is to sell stupid treatments which have no scientific value whatsoever.

Anon; Those who laugh at this are laughing at the stupidity of the neurodiverse tribe. The ND's who think it's funny are too stupid to realize they are harming themselves by defending those who caused their disabilities. Explain China, the Chicago practice with no vaccines , the Amish and the fact that there aren't millions of 75 year olds with autism or any of its' varieties. Explain why kids improve with chelation and methyl B-12 if it's not mercury. You're obviously not intelligent enough to leave your identity here because you know you can't defend your idiotic position.

If they were right, they should have no trouble producing millions of old folk with autism.

Let me explain the math. You're of course expecting to see 75-year olds who are autistic and can't speak. The others you probably do accept that they can be "missed" as autistic (if not as something else). The prevalence of classic autism in childhood is around 3 in 10,000 I believe (it has varied from study to study but I'll use this). I'll take a 50% figure for life-time lack of speech (which I've heard and I'm not even sure it's that high) so let's say 3 out of 20,000 are autistic and never learn to speak. Now, there are about 16 million people over 75 in the US. This means you should find about 2,400 individuals over 75 who are autistic and can't speak (not millions). To put this in perspective, you'd find about 80 such individuals in the Los Angeles area. These individuals could easily be dead, or in institutions, classifed as profoundly retarded. A portion of these are probably registered with CDDS. There are some autistics in the 60 and over category.

Joe; Your numbers are a little off. 1 in 166 equates to about 60 per ten thousand not 3. If these old autistics had existed 63 years ago when Kanner discovered this new condition of "train wrecks that couldn't be missed", we would've known about them. They would not have remained misdiagnosed for 63 more years. Sorry, no matter how you try to spin it, there is no saving your friends in the drug industry and the CDC. They poisoned our babies and they will go down.

BA-status is what I have, as well as a pending PgCertSpEd in applied educational psychology.

You can't even read properly, so how can you learn anything from anybody.

You're a dead loss academically and will never amount to anything useful in your life - simply because you are one of very few people who actually REFUSE to learn. Even the parent-list people think you're hopeless, and that's those who support the notion that mercury poisoning causes autism (and, incidentally, they think that you just cause trouble).

Even your autistic son has more will to learn than you do (and that isn't because of that crap you do to him... it's because he isn't an arrogant idiot like you are).

I'm out of here now, and I won't be posting again. I don't see the point. You are too paranoid and stupid to take anything on board, and that is a seriously bad blend of issues. You're okay to take the piss out of, but even that fun goes quickly these days... you're losing it, JBJr... you're losing even that quality.

Should I even bother to sign this? You won't believe it's me anyway! That is a ridiculous level of paranoia!

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Your numbers are a little off. 1 in 166 equates to about 60 per ten thousand not 3.If these old autistics had existed 63 years ago when Kanner discovered this new condition of "train wrecks that couldn't be missed", we would've known about them.

As I've explained, 1 in 166 is the prevalence of Asperger's, not of autism "that couldn't be missed". If you can't understand this, the argument can't proceed.

It would be very difficult to carry out an epidemiological study to find 75 y/o Asperger autistics. When I'm that age, Asperger's will be the last of my problems I'm sure.

After doing the numbers, I'm pretty sure non-verbal autistics that age are long dead. The life expectancy of institutionalized individuals is just not as high as that of the general population.

Andrews or whover; Are you just here to make yourself look dumb or will you answer these questions: "Explain China, the Chicago practice with no vaccines , the Amish and the fact that there aren't millions of 75 year olds with autism or any of its' varieties. Explain why kids improve with chelation and methyl B-12 if it's not mercury."? I think it will be a long wait.

""Explain China, the Chicago practice with no vaccines , the Amish and the fact that there aren't millions of 75 year olds with autism or any of its' varieties. Explain why kids improve with chelation and methyl B-12 if it's not mercury."?"

These have all been asked and answered elsewhere.... I'm just here to make you look stupid.

Sanity Pending; I just looked at Kev's blog. So maybe it was you here demonstrating your ignorance. If those questions have been answered by some neurodiverse knucklehead, why don't you share the answers so I can assess why they are inept. I know you're better at hurling insults than debating issues but do you think Dr Deth is laughing at Seidel if he bothered to read her moronic assessment of their exchange? BTW, please thank Kev for publicizing my views on homosexuality. The insanity of agreeing with those who poisoned our kids goes hand in hand with stating that homosexuality is not a perversion. It just shows how screwed up all of you are.