Hey "Buddy," you seem to be argumentative and a bit disingenuous in the way you debate (troll?). Google some academic papers written by professors of English for many examples of the phrase "affect change." Good luck!

Hey "Buddy," you seem to be argumentative and a bit disingenuous in the way you debate (troll?). Google some academic papers written by professors of English for many examples of the phrase "affect change." Good luck!

It's a discussion forum. But why call me disingenuous? Everything I posted was an honest opinion. As in, I honestly believe that ""effect change" is the proper grammatical term.

Well, I tried, but with no luck. Maye you can give me a link. All my googles suggest that if you say "affect change" what you are saying is that change itself was changed. But if you effect change you bring about change. Not the same thing.

buddyholly and abraxas21, it will be great to have a coffee and listen to both of u Debating on this and that, i love reading both of u

i dont share some of ur thought/Opinions/ideas but still like reading other ppl...

Hug it out as long as it takes, people
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things were created to be used.
The reason why the world is in chaos is because things are being loved, and people are being used."

And yet you feel free to throw out terms like ''racist'', ''neocon'', ''yank'', ''nazi'' etc to refer to anyone who disagrees with you, while complaining about your own thin skin.

Anyway, glad to find you are firmly in the camp of western ideals, even if tolerance of other opinions is not yet incorporated.

i don't think i've ever called anyone here a "nazi" so i guess you just made that up. i fail to see what's so inherently offensive about terms like "neocon" or "yank". and then you say i have thin skin?

as for the term "racist", again, i fail to see what's so wrong with it. if people are racist they can expect i'll call them on it. i guess that in your world if you let bad things pass than we can pretend they don't exist. hence racists and idiots (usually both) are able to talk unpunished by the verbal condemnation of an active society.

i don't think i've ever called anyone here a "nazi" so i guess you just made that up. i fail to see what's so inherently offensive about terms like "neocon" or "yank". and then you say i have thin skin?

as for the term "racist", again, i fail to see what's so wrong with it. if people are racist they can expect i'll call them on it. i guess that in your world if you let bad things pass than we can pretend they don't exist. hence racists and idiots (usually both) are able to talk unpunished by the verbal condemnation of an active society.

I'm not offended. You can say what you want. Racist is a perfectly good word when used correctly. But you use the term ''racist'' for people who don't agree with you, when they are not being racist at all. As in your many inferences that abhorrence of Islamofascism is in fact a hatred of ''brown people'' (your words). Thus, in your innoncence, you probably actually believe that by branding something as racist you have made a valid point.

When you use neocon you usually mean it sneeringly, as in, ''someone with a different opinion than myself.'' As for yank, are you also OK with, say, wetback?

Frankly, I don't think you are in any position to judge who is or is not an idiot. Unless, of course, you claim that experience gives you an advantage over the rest of us.

Since this thread deals with political issues, I guess it's ok to talk about, well, political issues. Although it's a no brainer that american imperialism and islamofascism are equal threats to world peace, at least obama has toned down the idiotic cowboy style rhetoric of his predecessor. Too bad most of his compatriots are ill-equipped to understand his ideas. "W" was no political fool and knew that he had to be a demagogue to get votes. Sadly, a progressive country make this does not. It will be a long while before another leader like Obama comes along. Expect more Ah-nolds and Jesse Venturas though.

I'm not offended. You can say what you want. Racist is a perfectly good word when used correctly. But you use the term ''racist'' for people who don't agree with you, when they are not being racist at all. As in your many inferences that abhorrence of Islamofascism is in fact a hatred of ''brown people'' (your words). Thus, in your innoncence, you probably actually believe that by branding something as racist you have made a valid point.

like i said, i call someone a racist when i see he/she is a racist.

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When you use neocon you usually mean it sneeringly, as in, ''someone with a different opinion than myself.'' As for yank, are you also OK with, say, wetback?

i use neocon when i talk about neocons... to compare wetback with neocon is disingenuous.

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Frankly, I don't think you are in any position to judge who is or is not an idiot. Unless, of course, you claim that experience gives you an advantage over the rest of us.

typical of you. You talk dismissevely about me using what you think are offensive words and then you go an call me an idiot in a much veiled way, as if that were to make you appear somewhat intelligent even when you fail to realize the ironic contradiction behind your words.

typical of you. You talk dismissevely about me using what you think are offensive words and then you go an call me an idiot in a much veiled way, as if that were to make you appear somewhat intelligent even when you fail to realize the ironic contradiction behind your words.

Since this thread deals with political issues, I guess it's ok to talk about, well, political issues. Although it's a no brainer that american imperialism and islamofascism are equal threats to world peace, at least obama has toned down the idiotic cowboy style rhetoric of his predecessor. Too bad most of his compatriots are ill-equipped to understand his ideas.