How all of this will work together

Remote users will listen in on the Talk conference room. Questions can be asked via IRC in which a response will given over Talk. Gobby will be used to take notes on what is being discussed and can be viewed in real-time.

End result

2009-06-14
FAD - Documentation Meeting at Clemson
== Meeting attendees ==
Eric Christensen - Sparks
Ian Weller - ianweller
John McDonough - jjmcd
Paul Frields - stickster
Zach Oglesby - zoglesby
Clint Savage - herlo
David Nalley - ke4qqq
Lee Brewer - uclugLee
== TOPIC - What went wrong? What went right? ==
=== What went wrong ===
* Changing Release Notes data 11111
* Two days before F11 was released, the release notes beats on wiki were still changing
* Audio change
* Networking issue
* Expect full-timers to include info
* Secret cabal-driven freezes that aren't communicated 1111111
* (leading to people not knowing about freezes occurring and when RN data needed.)
* this is also a comms problem on our part.
* Too many rogue documents. 1111
* Getting RPMs pushed - going through f13 takes as much time as building the rpm 11111
* We need to be able to push packages ourselves (i.e. need instructions, guidelines, etc.)
* Not enough packagers in Docs
* Only f13 and stickster know how to push RNs -- need more co-maintainers
* Could use more clarity understanding on what is implied by freezes, trans, etc 11
* Need more interaction with L10n 11
* Bugs not being filled out in timely manner 111
* Many RN bugs arrive at the last minute that were known early on -indeed (SEE ABOVE)
* Need to centralize where bugs are filed (too many choices -- BZ, Trac instances...) 11111
* BZ even has too many subchoices (components, etc.)
* Poor notations on where/how bugs/issues should be filed 1
* Wiki search SUCKS BIG TIME!! 111
* No good documentation on moving things from wiki to DocBook/Publican stores 11
* Could use more consistency in wiki markup 1111
* Need better documentation on what we want to use from DocBook markup 111
* No good process for dealing with orphan documents 11
* RN documents are not all in one place (about-fedora, readme's, etc.) 11
* Lack of understanding of release schedule process 11
* Publican and Fedora/GNOME lang codes not consistent 1
* Not at all clear how login lang selected is used
* Translators having too much work. 1
* Release notes are ill-defined 11111
* Too long for normal users to read
* Beats have inconsistent levels of content
* Need some separation
* We don't know anything about visit statistics for docs.fp.o 111
* We need a more rigorous freeze on wiki release note beats 11
* Notes to f-docs-l, f-trans-l f-dev-l several times before each milestone
* BZ URL ulink default in Publican is unhelpful at best 11111
* Not clear if remaining (obsolete? unmaintained?) docs need conversion to Publican (strikes me as part of undefined orphan process) 1111
* docs.fp.o site sucks (Mo knows) 11111
* Need solution for people to install a doc just for their lang, in their format
* No CMS, no easy publishing, high barrier to participation
* No real indexing...
=== What went right ===
* DOCS PEOPLE ROCK
* Many more docs/guides available than ever before!! (we rocked!)
* The wiki didn't asplode, but should have. (yay!)
* Everything seemed a lot more organized this release
* + Packaging is easier than it sounds
* + The install guide is awesome
* ++ Some folks really rolled up their sleeves and helped - zoglesby, laubersm, rudi
* much better collaboration this release cycle
* felt far less rushed than F10
* stickster and quaid got out of the way and Sparks got run over
* Brisbane folks represented, yo
* Red Hat relicensed guide material in a way where we can generate community presence around them
TOPIC - F12 and Beyond
Voted for these goals in order of decreasing priority:
* Better communication and interaction with other teams and program manager 1111111
* Docs Leader should attend/audit/log/read other project meetings
* L10n
* Design
* Websites
* Appoint liasions to other sub-projects rather than overloading DPL with meetings
* Release schedule needs to include items for announcements to other teams
* Docs Project sit down (virtually) with poelcat and grok the schedule and release process
* docs.fp.o site sucks (Mo knows) 11111
* Zikula
* Zikula IS *THE* SOLUTION.
* Track record
* Participation by their upstream in Fedora == BIG +
* Package all the pieces.
* Train the people
* Migrate all the EOL guides/docs into it.
* Tagging/categorization of documents by Lang, Release, Format (, subject matter?)
* Eight modules remaining to be packaged (no review BZs yet)
* Pervasive bundling of libraries
* Need to package some PHP libraries to make this happen
* SHA-256 library
* Puppetization of configs has started, but is incomplete
* Infrastructure is blocking on modules/packaging
* Zikula will help with infrastructure testing/tuning
* Need guide for wiki and DocBook markup 11111
* Clean up Help:Editing
* Move many Docs wiki pages to Archive: and start over!
* Create a getting "started guide" that tells you the what and how and provide links to short howtos
* Two docs:
* Quick Start Guide on the wiki
* Documentation Guide in formal repo
* Release Notes Issues
* We need a more rigorous freeze on wiki release note beats 11111
* RN documents are not all in one place (about-fedora, readme's, etc.) 1111
* Two documents... one for "normal users" and one for "advanced users".
* Normal users = front-end features -- Created by Mktg & Docs
* Links to the RN section (Advanced users) for those that want to know more.
* Advanced users = back-end features + front-end features -- Created by Docs
* Schedule
* Marketing completion of talking points/tour
* Tour should provide a link to upgrade page
* Docs editing content
* Has to be ported to the appropriate container (Zikula, website..., tupperware(TM), ziplock(R) bag?)
* Screen shots have to be done
* Translated
* We don't know anything about visit statistics for docs.fp.o 1111
* Release notes are ill-defined 1111
* One target for bugs, consistent pointers across Publican, wiki, docs website, etc. 1111
* Need to understand release schedule and what is implied by freezes, trans, etc 1111
* Note each line item/milestone on the wiki and explain what are the action items to complete it
* Getting RPMs pushed - going through f13 takes as much time as building the rpm 111
* Need to have process and deal with old/orphaned/rogue wiki documents 111
* (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Sparks/BZ_and_Guide_Table)
* Improve understanding and communication with L10n 111
* No good documentation on moving things from wiki to DocBook/Publican stores 11
TOPIC - A non-translator's introduction to the POT/PO model
* Nearly every programming language has a gettext library
* (opened up readme.pot in Gobby)
* <![CDATA[blah]]> will make the string hidden from gettext in XML
* msgid and msgstr
* some tags are left in the msgid (such as <filename/>)
* translated, untranslated, and fuzzy
* it uses an algorithm to decide on whether a new string is fuzzy or brand new
TOPIC - Packaging instruction
# yum install fedora-packager
Zikula modules
Content
Version 3.0.3 - source tagged in SVN here:
http://code.zikula.org/content/browser/tags/version-3.0.3
This is already being worked on by Lukas
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492091
CoType - SUPERSEDED BY CONTENT, dawg
Version 1.0.0 - download here:
http://www.elfisk.dk/index.php?module=Folder&func=view&mode=folder.view&folderid=52
the source is probably in SVN somewhere, but not sure where.
crpTag - Everyone
*** DONE! ***
I'd take the head: http://code.zikula.org/crptag/browser/trunk, but just in
case it is non functional perhaps we could package 0.1.3 too?
http://code.zikula.org/crptag/browser/tags/crpTag_0.1.3
MediaAttach - BZ
SVN Head: http://code.zikula.org/mediaattach/browser/trunk/MediaAttach
mediashare - Paul
SVN Head: http://code.zikula.org/mediashare/browser/trunk
INCLUDES: phpPicasa - http://www.cameronhinkle.com/
V3.3 http://cameronhinkle.com/downloads/LightweightPicasaAPIv3.zip
menutree - Lee-nener nener
Version 2.0.1: http://code.zikula.org/bianor/browser/tags/menutree/2.0.1
MultiHook - BZ
SVN Head: http://code.zikula.org/multihook/browser/trunk/MultiHook
scribite - BZ
Version 3.1: http://code.zikula.org/scribite/browser/tags/scribite/3.1
Custom Modules (no public source (yet))
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FASAuth
FedoraDocs
Static_Docs
Custom Theme (no public source)

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