"As for it being different this time, it is different every time. The question is in what way, and to what extent" - Tom McClellan

"An economist is someone who sees something happen, and then wonders if it would work in theory" - Ronald Reagan

"What we see depends mainly on what we look for" - John Lubbock

"The eye sees only what the mind is ready to comprehend" - Henri Bergson

“Answers are easy; it’s asking the right questions which is hard” - Dr. Who - 1977

"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common - they don't alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views (which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering)" - Dr. Who - 1977

so you are expecting a move up to (Y)? i have a small rst that says one more higher high possible in short term, and still have larger ED on my chart in tact. if we were to go to one more high, and hit your (Y), what is the larger count at that level? is the the end of an A up of intermediate 4? or is that where my 4 would be?

It would complete wave C of a larger 4th triangle of intermediate degree.

And yes, the hourly count idea would suggest one more higher high (probably into opex), and then, initially, a full retracement to the 780 cash level - bounce - and then we'll re-examine the situation.

The 875 level remains the key to both counts with a move above this level suggesting that something else is going on.

"As for it being different this time, it is different every time. The question is in what way, and to what extent" - Tom McClellan

"An economist is someone who sees something happen, and then wonders if it would work in theory" - Ronald Reagan

"What we see depends mainly on what we look for" - John Lubbock

"The eye sees only what the mind is ready to comprehend" - Henri Bergson

“Answers are easy; it’s asking the right questions which is hard” - Dr. Who - 1977

"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common - they don't alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views (which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering)" - Dr. Who - 1977

what retracement would invalidate your triangle and put the ending diagonal into focus? what price on the spx would do that? not sure what the correct question to ask is. if your count is the end of intermediate 4 then you would be forecasting new lows on intermediate 5 correct? more importantly, how would you distingiush whether we are completing minor 4 and heading to minor 5 of intermediate 3 vs. your idea that we are finishing intermediate 4 going to intermediate 5?

what retracement would invalidate your triangle and put the ending diagonal into focus?

Moving below .618 times the length of Wave C in Wave D would then call the triangle into question (for those out there who don't know, an Elliott Triangle has 5 "waves" to it: A-B-C-D-E).

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what price on the spx would do that?

We won't know that until we know that wave C is complete.

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if your count is the end of intermediate 4 then you would be forecasting new lows on intermediate 5 correct?

Yes, after wave D down and wave E up to complete the 4th wave structure.

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how would you distinguish whether we are completing minor 4 and heading to minor 5 of intermediate 3 vs. your idea that we are finishing intermediate 4 going to intermediate 5?

What it really comes down to is what one would believe to be a "reasonable expectation" when it comes to both time/price and fundamental/sentiment characteristics that make each price pattern (wave) structure. But to answer your question directly, it could be that of minor degree if the bigger picture is one of Supercycle degree or greater, but realistically, it's probably better to count the whole structure as that of intermediate as it would "fit better" given the current circumstances, and keep such higher degree considerations on the back burner...at least for now.

"As for it being different this time, it is different every time. The question is in what way, and to what extent" - Tom McClellan

"An economist is someone who sees something happen, and then wonders if it would work in theory" - Ronald Reagan

"What we see depends mainly on what we look for" - John Lubbock

"The eye sees only what the mind is ready to comprehend" - Henri Bergson

“Answers are easy; it’s asking the right questions which is hard” - Dr. Who - 1977

"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common - they don't alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views (which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering)" - Dr. Who - 1977

"As for it being different this time, it is different every time. The question is in what way, and to what extent" - Tom McClellan

"An economist is someone who sees something happen, and then wonders if it would work in theory" - Ronald Reagan

"What we see depends mainly on what we look for" - John Lubbock

"The eye sees only what the mind is ready to comprehend" - Henri Bergson

“Answers are easy; it’s asking the right questions which is hard” - Dr. Who - 1977

"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common - they don't alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views (which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering)" - Dr. Who - 1977

OK...we now have minimal price expectations met, and bear divergence across the board (daily and all lesser time frames) using the Hist MACD as a guide.

875 cash remains the line in the sand for any further "throw over", so let's call wave "C" of the daily triangle now complete at 870 (or nearly so), with a wave "D" giving us a downside Fibonacci target of 750 cash.

"As for it being different this time, it is different every time. The question is in what way, and to what extent" - Tom McClellan

"An economist is someone who sees something happen, and then wonders if it would work in theory" - Ronald Reagan

"What we see depends mainly on what we look for" - John Lubbock

"The eye sees only what the mind is ready to comprehend" - Henri Bergson

“Answers are easy; it’s asking the right questions which is hard” - Dr. Who - 1977

"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common - they don't alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views (which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering)" - Dr. Who - 1977

Taking the daily count idea one step further, I have now adjusted the support and resistance lines for the triangle based on the basic Fibonacci sequence of .618 retracements, and then outlined the preferred path (in gray) in which price "should take" to complete Intermediate Wave (4).

Any break below the 750 cash level by 3% or more would put Gelf's count idea front and center and worthy of salute!

"As for it being different this time, it is different every time. The question is in what way, and to what extent" - Tom McClellan

"An economist is someone who sees something happen, and then wonders if it would work in theory" - Ronald Reagan

"What we see depends mainly on what we look for" - John Lubbock

"The eye sees only what the mind is ready to comprehend" - Henri Bergson

“Answers are easy; it’s asking the right questions which is hard” - Dr. Who - 1977

"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common - they don't alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views (which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering)" - Dr. Who - 1977

The completed corrective Elliott Wave structure is shown below, with the rising wedge pattern, as well as the Hist MACD, both suggesting that the 780 cash level should be challenged during this retracement period. If, however, the Hist MACD is able to break to lower lows than those seen at the end of March, then the next price target will be the .618 forecasted target of 750.

"As for it being different this time, it is different every time. The question is in what way, and to what extent" - Tom McClellan

"An economist is someone who sees something happen, and then wonders if it would work in theory" - Ronald Reagan

"What we see depends mainly on what we look for" - John Lubbock

"The eye sees only what the mind is ready to comprehend" - Henri Bergson

“Answers are easy; it’s asking the right questions which is hard” - Dr. Who - 1977

"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common - they don't alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views (which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering)" - Dr. Who - 1977

hi dave, still looking like both of our roadmaps are still in process. i have to say i am more in the camp of your triangle idea than my ending diagonal idea. what are your thoughts from here now that we have broken the smaller upward sloping ending diagonal. what would you expect from here based on your roadmap. what would alter the picture to make my ending diagonal the main focus?

what are your thoughts from here now that we have broken the smaller upward sloping ending diagonal. what would you expect from here based on your road map.

Sorry again for the slow reply.

Technically speaking, Monday's sell off moved many of the MCO's to their zero lines which would suggest some sort of bounce on Tuesday (which we got). This bounce would then be part of a larger price pattern snapback to or towards the ascending wedge (in process), falter, and then a resumption lower to the intended 780 target.

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what would alter the picture to make my ending diagonal the main focus?

Since both of our wave structures would be that of 3 wave affairs, the demarcation point between the two would come at the 750 cash level, + or - 3%.

"As for it being different this time, it is different every time. The question is in what way, and to what extent" - Tom McClellan

"An economist is someone who sees something happen, and then wonders if it would work in theory" - Ronald Reagan

"What we see depends mainly on what we look for" - John Lubbock

"The eye sees only what the mind is ready to comprehend" - Henri Bergson

“Answers are easy; it’s asking the right questions which is hard” - Dr. Who - 1977

"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common - they don't alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views (which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering)" - Dr. Who - 1977

Dave, any chance you can do an updated Elliott count for the SPX andthe Dow Trannies? Also, if my want list is not getting too long here, doyou find any correlation between the inverse ETF's (like the SDS) and its"Elliott counts" to the SPX? I realize, one should not try and count an ETF,but it becomes quite appealing to do so. The month long congestion area on the SDS weekly, between 55 and 63, intrigues me. Curious as to "how" it could be counted. Thanks in advance Dave!

"As for it being different this time, it is different every time. The question is in what way, and to what extent" - Tom McClellan

"An economist is someone who sees something happen, and then wonders if it would work in theory" - Ronald Reagan

"What we see depends mainly on what we look for" - John Lubbock

"The eye sees only what the mind is ready to comprehend" - Henri Bergson

“Answers are easy; it’s asking the right questions which is hard” - Dr. Who - 1977

"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common - they don't alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views (which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering)" - Dr. Who - 1977

A lot sure has changed since your last post of Elliott count - any update possible now that most are calling this "a new bull market"? It's getting very crowded on the 'bull' side and seems like a US dollar rally is brewing as well - both signs of some 'real' weakness for equities ahead!

"As for it being different this time, it is different every time. The question is in what way, and to what extent" - Tom McClellan

"An economist is someone who sees something happen, and then wonders if it would work in theory" - Ronald Reagan

"What we see depends mainly on what we look for" - John Lubbock

"The eye sees only what the mind is ready to comprehend" - Henri Bergson

“Answers are easy; it’s asking the right questions which is hard” - Dr. Who - 1977

"You know the very powerful and the very stupid have one thing in common - they don't alter their views to fit the facts, they alter the facts to fit their views (which can be uncomfortable if you happen to be one of the facts that needs altering)" - Dr. Who - 1977

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