I hope they ( D.N and A.V ) have learnt somthing from Crawfords inability to effectivley use an enforcer. Like it or not ( I like it ) Fighting and intimidation are huge parts of the game, intimidation more so. Not having a bona-fide heavy wieght is a liability. A willing middle wieght such as Brad May is necessary but not enough. YOU need some one that is capable of putting the fear of God into the other team.

couldn't agree more, Crow failed to use this as a strategy throughgout his time here. There's a lot of muscle in the western division. Always been my belief that what ever the other coach throws over the boards you best be able to match or better

Hmm, we lost Brookbank, Jovo, Bert, Allen and Ruutu, all of which were willing to drop the gloves, but picked up Mitchell, Bouck might make the team, Kesler dropped'em nicely with Iginla and Bieksa is one tough kid. We have some big bodies but I don't see Pyatt, Bulis or Chouinard necessarily being "tough".

We definitely need at least one more player who can fight, I think it's a toss-up between a genuine enforcer or just a tough roster player who is willing and able. I would've liked Brown back, maybe we now sign Strudwick on a two-way for defensive/wing depth?

IMO there is no point having a goon who can't contribute in anyway other than fighting. The true goon is a thing of the past. Guys like Laraque, Simon or McCarty who can conrtribute the odd goal or play a checking role while still doing battle with the teams other heavyweight are still a major asset. But those guys are few and far between.

I would much rather Nonis pick up another guy who can contribute to the team toughness than a useless goon. Any suggestions on who might fill the bill AND be availible via trade?

Bartman wrote:IMO there is no point having a goon who can't contribute in anyway other than fighting. The true goon is a thing of the past. Guys like Laraque, Simon or McCarty who can conrtribute the odd goal or play a checking role while still doing battle with the teams other heavyweight are still a major asset. But those guys are few and far between.

I would much rather Nonis pick up another guy who can contribute to the team toughness than a useless goon. Any suggestions on who might fill the bill AND be availible via trade?

Your not related to Crawford are you ?

Every team IMO players better against other tough teams if they have a policman themselves. They all stand taller take more risks and are not put off their game. It would be nice if we had a 15 goal scorer who can beat the crap out of Laraque, but sorry to say they're like hens back teeth virutally none existant. Look down the team rosters and every one has a tough guy, they promote a feeling of confidence. Why did Gretsky insist on the trade to include McSorley when he went to LA, why did Gretsky just pick up Laraque. George score 2 goals last season and 6 the season before

Fred wrote:Flames are bulking up with an enforcer Godard, does that force DN hand ? to do like wise

This signing will be similar to the signing of Brannt Myhres last year by the Flames -- a tough guy to patrol the ice in Omaha, and to be in the system in the event of some expected shenanigans, but not a guy who will be in the lineup day-to-day (or ever, as was the case with Myhres). Calgary's roster is too complete, and featuring too many expensive NHLers, to make a regular place for a one-dimensional goon.

Every team IMO players better against other tough teams if they have a policman themselves. They all stand taller take more risks and are not put off their game. It would be nice if we had a 15 goal scorer who can beat the crap out of Laraque, but sorry to say they're like hens back teeth virutally none existant. Look down the team rosters and every one has a tough guy, they promote a feeling of confidence. Why did Gretsky insist on the trade to include McSorley when he went to LA, why did Gretsky just pick up Laraque. George score 2 goals last season and 6 the season before

For the most part I agree with you. Teams play better knowing they'll be taken care of if things get ugly and the other team has some toughness. I just believe that that can be addressed thru team toughness. I'd rather have a Bryan Allen or two who can hold his own if things get tough than a Kristoff Oliwa who can't do anything except fight.

We ARE lacking in the toughness dept. but I don't want to see us add another waste of roster spot like a Brookbank.

Why did Gretzky insist on McSorley?...It was a different time.

Why did Pheonix trade for Laraque?...He's not a scorer but he has decent hockey sense and can play a bit at both ends of the rink.

To put this into perspective, the Canucks had three players with over 100 PIMs last season (Bertuzzi [120], Ruutu [142], Allen [118]), though none are renowned for being fighters. As we all know, all three have left this offseason.

Edmonton and Calgary had several scrappy players who aren't "enforcers," but I didn't consider their lineups especially intimidating...Although, they have tougher players than the Canucks current roster. Minnesota needed Boogaard because the rest of its lineup was incredibly soft. Even so, Lemaire sat Boogaard for nearly 20% of the team's games.

Though I love enforcers, I think the role is less important than people give it credit for. I believe the Canucks need to improve team toughness, but--unless they get an elite pugilist like Boogaard--signing a one-dimensional fighter isn't going to help the team very much.