The FISA memo bomb has been dropped. It pretty much confirmedeverything Republicans had been talking about in interviews for thepast two weeks. If you watched cable news last week you pretty muchknow everything thats in the memo. Is that why the information wasa little  I dont know  underwhelming? For being billed as a memofull of classified information, I struggled to find anything in itthat could be considered damaging to national security. That makesthe Democrats, FBI and DoJ look kind of ridiculous in trying toblock its release.

But it also makes Republicans look a little ridiculous in all thebuild up and hype that led up to Fridays release. Now, dont get mewrong, the information within the memo is interesting. The GOP isaccusing the FBI and DoJ of lying to the FISA court in order to geta warrant for former Trump advisor Carter Page. They claim that theSteele Dossier was listed in the initial FISA application, but theroles of Fusion GPS, the DNC and the Clinton campaign were nevermentioned. If thats true then the FBI and DoJ were knowingly tryingto pass off partisan opposition research as actual intelligence, ANDthey hid the truth from the court, not once, but four times.

This all looks really bad, but its also only half of the story.Democrats have written their own rebuttal memo, and a vote for itsrelease is expected later today. We can also expect to hear from theFBI AND DoJ at some point as well. Will The Great Memo Wars of 2018reveal anything new, or will it descend into a giant liar liarpants on fire slap fight? Either way, more transparency is stillthe answer. So get ready for a flood of memos. This is either goingto be very enlightening, or brutally painful.

2) Powerful Super Bowl Ads

A beautiful newborn baby cries and fidgets in her hospital bed. Sheis perfect. A nurse lifts her up to comfort her. Its revealed thatthe child is missing both legs below the knee and one arm.

She is still perfect.

Toyota hit the ball out of the park with its compelling Super Bowlcommercial about Paralympic Gold Medalist Lauren Woolstencroft. In60 seconds, we saw her birth, her struggles to use her mechanicallimbs, her failures, and her victories.

People who believe in eugenics see no quality of life for those bornwith deformities. How can they possibly think that after watchingLauren thrive and go on to win eight gold medals?

In that one minute, Toyota showed the world that all life matters.Its important to note that no cars are mentioned in the ad, becausethat wasnt the point. Toyota is transitioning into a mobilitycompany and they wanted to show that the technology they aredeveloping will help humanity.

Dodge also opted to showcase their new technology, but the carmakerwas heavily criticized for their commercial.

People were outraged that Dodge would use MLKs words to sell cars.I dont see it that way.

I think anytime Martin Luther King Jrs words are broadcast andremembered is a good thing.We need to hear his words, especially now.

Yes, Dodge is selling their new Ram, but they are also selling whatyou can do with that vehicle: Serve others.

In 120 seconds, the Toyota and Dodge commercials conveyed themessage that advancements in technology can be used for goodits upto us to use it that way.

3) The Gender-Neutralization of "O Canada"If progressivism is a disease, Canada is terminally ill with it. TheU.S. prognosis is probably critical condition.

On Wednesday, Canadas Senate approved changing a line in theEnglish version of their national anthem, O Canada, to make itgender neutral. The second line of the anthem will now be Truepatriot love in all of us command rather than the oppressive,insanely offensive old version, True patriot love in all thy sonscommand.

Now that their anthem isnt sexist anymore, Canadians can finallyfeel free to sing it again.Somehow, I doubt the Canadian senators checked with the peoplebecause thats not how progressives operate. I bet most Canadianswouldve preferred leaving the anthem alone. Theyve had the songthat way for over a century and no one died of sexism because of it.

Canadian feminist author Margaret Atwood was one of the peoplebehind this effort. She wrote the novel The Handmaids Tale. You canlook that one up for insight into her feelings on tradition, faith,and conservatism. Shes real subtle.

This is the dark side of progressivism everywhere  it presumes toknow whats best for the people. But its always the agenda of afew, forced on the majority. Or sometimes the agenda, or feelings ofjust one individual. Progressivism thinks it is promoting morefreedom, when often it is tyranny. So, you get things like MichelleObama dictating to your local school what cafeteria food it canserve. Or one mother in Webster Parish, Louisiana who recently gotstudent-led prayer banned at her daughters high school.

Respect for tradition as a stabilizing, enriching agent in societyis one of the key diverging points of the Left and Right in the U.S.Decades of progressivism chipping away at things like religion, theflag, the Constitution, and patriotism in general, all the way toObamas apologizing tour of a presidency, has created an enormousbacklash from heartland Americans. To the point that a whole sectionof Trumps State of the Union speech was a lecture on respecting theflag, anthem, and motto. Its just sad that weve sunk so low thatthe State of the Union has turned into a pep rally about who hasmore team spirit.

Its easy to laugh at those Canadians for wimping out on theiranthem. But progressivism is a persistent disease, so dont think itcant happen here.

--Dems & the media want Trump to be more like Obama, but then he'dhave to audit liberals & wire tap reporters' phones.

If that’s true then the FBI and DoJ were knowingly tryingto pass off partisan opposition research as actual intelligence, ANDthey hid the truth from the court, not once, but four times.

You can't re-authorize a FISA warrant unless you can prove that you aregetting evidence.

If it was re-authorized (and it was), that's because the surveillancewas bearing fruit. What does it matter who paid for it, as long as it'sgetting results?

If a criminal phones in a tip to the police, do the police ignore itbecause of where it came from?

--"Politicians can be cheered for the promises they make. Our country willbe judged by the promises we keep. That is the measure of ourcharacter, that's who we are. Out of many, One." - Joseph P. Kennedy III1-30-18

If that’s true then the FBI and DoJ were knowingly tryingto pass off partisan opposition research as actual intelligence, ANDthey hid the truth from the court, not once, but four times.

You can't re-authorize a FISA warrant unless you can prove that you aregetting evidence.If it was re-authorized (and it was), that's because the surveillancewas bearing fruit. What does it matter who paid for it, as long as it'sgetting results?If a criminal phones in a tip to the police, do the police ignore itbecause of where it came from?

If thats true then the FBI and DoJ were knowingly tryingto pass off partisan opposition research as actual intelligence, ANDthey hid the truth from the court, not once, but four times.

You can't re-authorize a FISA warrant unless you can prove that you aregetting evidence.If it was re-authorized (and it was), that's because the surveillancewas bearing fruit. What does it matter who paid for it, as long as it'sgetting results?If a criminal phones in a tip to the police, do the police ignore itbecause of where it came from?

If that’s true then the FBI and DoJ were knowingly tryingto pass off partisan opposition research as actual intelligence, ANDthey hid the truth from the court, not once, but four times.

You can't re-authorize a FISA warrant unless you can prove that you aregetting evidence.If it was re-authorized (and it was), that's because the surveillancewas bearing fruit. What does it matter who paid for it, as long as it'sgetting results?If a criminal phones in a tip to the police, do the police ignore itbecause of where it came from?

Post by Ubiquitous1) The Memo is ReleasedThe FISA memo bomb has been dropped. It pretty much confirmedeverything Republicans had been talking about in interviews for thepast two weeks.

Actually, it pretty much disproved everything Republicans have beensaying.

Swill

Post by UbiquitousIf you watched cable news last week you pretty muchknow everything thats in the memo. Is that why the information wasa little  I dont know  underwhelming? For being billed as a memofull of classified information, I struggled to find anything in itthat could be considered damaging to national security. That makesthe Democrats, FBI and DoJ look kind of ridiculous in trying toblock its release.But it also makes Republicans look a little ridiculous in all thebuild up and hype that led up to Fridays release. Now, dont get mewrong, the information within the memo is interesting. The GOP isaccusing the FBI and DoJ of lying to the FISA court in order to geta warrant for former Trump advisor Carter Page. They claim that theSteele Dossier was listed in the initial FISA application, but theroles of Fusion GPS, the DNC and the Clinton campaign were nevermentioned. If thats true then the FBI and DoJ were knowingly tryingto pass off partisan opposition research as actual intelligence, ANDthey hid the truth from the court, not once, but four times.This all looks really bad, but its also only half of the story.Democrats have written their own rebuttal memo, and a vote for itsrelease is expected later today. We can also expect to hear from theFBI AND DoJ at some point as well. Will The Great Memo Wars of 2018reveal anything new, or will it descend into a giant liar liarpants on fire slap fight? Either way, more transparency is stillthe answer. So get ready for a flood of memos. This is either goingto be very enlightening, or brutally painful.2) Powerful Super Bowl AdsA beautiful newborn baby cries and fidgets in her hospital bed. Sheis perfect. A nurse lifts her up to comfort her. Its revealed thatthe child is missing both legs below the knee and one arm.She is still perfect.Toyota hit the ball out of the park with its compelling Super Bowlcommercial about Paralympic Gold Medalist Lauren Woolstencroft. In60 seconds, we saw her birth, her struggles to use her mechanicallimbs, her failures, and her victories.People who believe in eugenics see no quality of life for those bornwith deformities. How can they possibly think that after watchingLauren thrive and go on to win eight gold medals?In that one minute, Toyota showed the world that all life matters.Its important to note that no cars are mentioned in the ad, becausethat wasnt the point. Toyota is transitioning into a mobilitycompany and they wanted to show that the technology they aredeveloping will help humanity.Dodge also opted to showcase their new technology, but the carmakerwas heavily criticized for their commercial.The commercial featured a new Dodge Ram truck helping bring suppliesand volunteers to communities hit by natural disasters. Thecontroversial part? Dodge used Martin Luther King, Jrs speech onserving in the background.People were outraged that Dodge would use MLKs words to sell cars.I dont see it that way.I think anytime Martin Luther King Jrs words are broadcast andremembered is a good thing.We need to hear his words, especially now.Yes, Dodge is selling their new Ram, but they are also selling whatyou can do with that vehicle: Serve others.In 120 seconds, the Toyota and Dodge commercials conveyed themessage that advancements in technology can be used for goodits upto us to use it that way.3) The Gender-Neutralization of "O Canada"If progressivism is a disease, Canada is terminally ill with it. TheU.S. prognosis is probably critical condition.On Wednesday, Canadas Senate approved changing a line in theEnglish version of their national anthem, O Canada, to make itgender neutral. The second line of the anthem will now be Truepatriot love in all of us command rather than the oppressive,insanely offensive old version, True patriot love in all thy sonscommand.Now that their anthem isnt sexist anymore, Canadians can finallyfeel free to sing it again.Somehow, I doubt the Canadian senators checked with the peoplebecause thats not how progressives operate. I bet most Canadianswouldve preferred leaving the anthem alone. Theyve had the songthat way for over a century and no one died of sexism because of it.Canadian feminist author Margaret Atwood was one of the peoplebehind this effort. She wrote the novel The Handmaids Tale. You canlook that one up for insight into her feelings on tradition, faith,and conservatism. Shes real subtle.This is the dark side of progressivism everywhere  it presumes toknow whats best for the people. But its always the agenda of afew, forced on the majority. Or sometimes the agenda, or feelings ofjust one individual. Progressivism thinks it is promoting morefreedom, when often it is tyranny. So, you get things like MichelleObama dictating to your local school what cafeteria food it canserve. Or one mother in Webster Parish, Louisiana who recently gotstudent-led prayer banned at her daughters high school.Respect for tradition as a stabilizing, enriching agent in societyis one of the key diverging points of the Left and Right in the U.S.Decades of progressivism chipping away at things like religion, theflag, the Constitution, and patriotism in general, all the way toObamas apologizing tour of a presidency, has created an enormousbacklash from heartland Americans. To the point that a whole sectionof Trumps State of the Union speech was a lecture on respecting theflag, anthem, and motto. Its just sad that weve sunk so low thatthe State of the Union has turned into a pep rally about who hasmore team spirit.Its easy to laugh at those Canadians for wimping out on theiranthem. But progressivism is a persistent disease, so dont think itcant happen here.

Post by Ubiquitous1) The Memo is ReleasedThe FISA memo bomb has been dropped. It pretty much confirmedeverything Republicans had been talking about in interviews for thepast two weeks.

Actually, it pretty much disproved everything Republicans have beensaying.

Swill must be having a psychotic break.... the sudden reality that hisreligion is false has caused a break with reality.Time to seek professional mental help for that. We can't put a band-aidon it here for you, if we did it would just be a matter of time andyou'd be up on the 32nd floor with a rifle if we did that.

Non-answer noted. Swill gave you the facts, and you've said absolutelynothing to refute them.

--"Politicians can be cheered for the promises they make. Our country willbe judged by the promises we keep. That is the measure of ourcharacter, that's who we are. Out of many, One." - Joseph P. Kennedy III1-30-18

Post by Ubiquitous1) The Memo is ReleasedThe FISA memo bomb has been dropped. It pretty much confirmedeverything Republicans had been talking about in interviews for thepast two weeks.

Actually, it pretty much disproved everything Republicans have beensaying.

Swill must be having a psychotic break.... the sudden reality that hisreligion is false has caused a break with reality.Time to seek professional mental help for that. We can't put a band-aidon it here for you, if we did it would just be a matter of time andyou'd be up on the 32nd floor with a rifle if we did that.

Non-answer noted. Swill gave you the facts, and you've said absolutelynothing to refute them.

No facts! thus no refutation.. Simple enough for you asshole?

--Machiavelli wrote:It is necessary for the state to deal in lies and halftruths,because people are made up of lies and half truths. Even Princes.' Andcertainly, by definition all Ambassadors and politicians

Post by Ubiquitous1) The Memo is ReleasedThe FISA memo bomb has been dropped. It pretty much confirmedeverything Republicans had been talking about in interviews for thepast two weeks.

Actually, it pretty much disproved everything Republicans have beensaying.

Swill must be having a psychotic break.... the sudden reality that hisreligion is false has caused a break with reality.Time to seek professional mental help for that. We can't put a band-aidon it here for you, if we did it would just be a matter of time andyou'd be up on the 32nd floor with a rifle if we did that.

Non-answer noted. Swill gave you the facts, and you've saidabsolutely nothing to refute them.

No facts! thus no refutation.. Simple enough for you asshole?

You're simple enough for all of us, all by your lonesome.

--"Politicians can be cheered for the promises they make. Our country willbe judged by the promises we keep. That is the measure of ourcharacter, that's who we are. Out of many, One." - Joseph P. Kennedy III1-30-18

Post by Ubiquitous1) The Memo is ReleasedThe FISA memo bomb has been dropped. It pretty much confirmedeverything Republicans had been talking about in interviews for thepast two weeks.

Actually, it pretty much disproved everything Republicans have beensaying.

Swill must be having a psychotic break.... the sudden reality that hisreligion is false has caused a break with reality.Time to seek professional mental help for that. We can't put a band-aidon it here for you, if we did it would just be a matter of time andyou'd be up on the 32nd floor with a rifle if we did that.

Non-answer noted. Swill gave you the facts, and you've said absolutelynothing to refute them.

No facts! thus no refutation.. Simple enough for you asshole?

Precisely. With no facts with which to refute my statement, Scottyjust resorted to insults and a nonsensical rant.

There is nothing in the memo to prove the major claims of theRepublicans that the dossier sparked the FBI/Mueller Russiainvestigation, the House Russia investigation, the Senate Russiainvestigation or the Page surveillance. In fact, the memo glaringlyignores the *sequence* of events which, when laid out in order, provethe dossier had nothing to do with any of it except as a secondarypresentation.

Btw, all three major Russia investigations have independently provedthe veracity of much of the dossier. Iow, Steele was right all along.

Swill

--"Democrats are the party that says government canmake you richer, smarter, taller, and get the chickweedout of your lawn.Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work,and then they get elected and prove it." - P.J. O'Rourke

Post by Ubiquitous1) The Memo is ReleasedThe FISA memo bomb has been dropped. It pretty much confirmedeverything Republicans had been talking about in interviews for thepast two weeks.

Actually, it pretty much disproved everything Republicans have beensaying.

Swill must be having a psychotic break.... the sudden reality that hisreligion is false has caused a break with reality.Time to seek professional mental help for that. We can't put a band-aidon it here for you, if we did it would just be a matter of time andyou'd be up on the 32nd floor with a rifle if we did that.

Non-answer noted. Swill gave you the facts, and you've said absolutelynothing to refute them.

I went back to read the entire thread and Swill came up short on FACTS,you see I usually go directly to the facts and answer them so I waswondering why you said I didn't answer the "facts", and I find therewere none to answer. That's probably why I was pulling his chain. Hadhe listed any facts I would run to them and happily show Swill where hewas wrong. I do it all the time. ;)

I notice that none of you have the balls to leave his post intact. Iguess it's easier to ignore what is said if you just snip out the partsthat don't agree with your world view.

--"Politicians can be cheered for the promises they make. Our country willbe judged by the promises we keep. That is the measure of ourcharacter, that's who we are. Out of many, One." - Joseph P. Kennedy III1-30-18

Post by Ubiquitous1) The Memo is ReleasedThe FISA memo bomb has been dropped. It pretty much confirmedeverything Republicans had been talking about in interviews for thepast two weeks.

Actually, it pretty much disproved everything Republicans have beensaying.

Swill must be having a psychotic break.... the sudden reality that hisreligion is false has caused a break with reality.Time to seek professional mental help for that. We can't put a band-aidon it here for you, if we did it would just be a matter of time andyou'd be up on the 32nd floor with a rifle if we did that.

Non-answer noted. Swill gave you the facts, and you've said absolutelynothing to refute them.

I went back to read the entire thread and Swill came up short on FACTS,you see I usually go directly to the facts and answer them so I waswondering why you said I didn't answer the "facts", and I find therewere none to answer. That's probably why I was pulling his chain. Hadhe listed any facts I would run to them and happily show Swill where hewas wrong. I do it all the time. ;)

I notice that none of you have the balls to leave his post intact. Iguess it's easier to ignore what is said if you just snip out the partsthat don't agree with your world view.

They also haven't pointed out where I was wrong. They complain thatmy facts weren't right, but they haven't corrected me. Justcomplained. That's what their best at. They don't have anything elsebut whine and geez . . .

Swill

--"Democrats are the party that says government canmake you richer, smarter, taller, and get the chickweedout of your lawn.Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work,and then they get elected and prove it." - P.J. O'Rourke

Post by Ubiquitous1) The Memo is ReleasedThe FISA memo bomb has been dropped. It pretty much confirmedeverything Republicans had been talking about in interviews for thepast two weeks.

Actually, it pretty much disproved everything Republicans have beensaying.

Swill must be having a psychotic break.... the sudden reality that hisreligion is false has caused a break with reality.Time to seek professional mental help for that. We can't put a band-aidon it here for you, if we did it would just be a matter of time andyou'd be up on the 32nd floor with a rifle if we did that.

Non-answer noted. Swill gave you the facts, and you've said absolutelynothing to refute them.

I went back to read the entire thread and Swill came up short on FACTS,

Then you can tell us where I got my facts wrong.

Go ahead, we'll wait.

you see I usually go directly to the facts

You haven't used a fact since you started posting on Usenet.

and answer them so I waswondering why you said I didn't answer the "facts", and I find therewere none to answer. That's probably why I was pulling his chain.

Liar. You had a knee jerk reaction to something I wrote. So goahead, tell us where I got my facts wrong about the memo. Quote andexplain each point if you like.

Hadhe listed any facts

Here's a fact for you. There's nothing in the Nunes memo that provesthe Republicans' major claims about the three Russia investigations orthe Page surveillance and certainly nothing in it that vindicatesTrump.

I would run to them and happily show Swill where hewas wrong. I do it all the time. ;)

You haven't done it yet. Go ahead. I'd like to see you use someverifiable facts if only to use some red marker on my calendar.

Swill

--"Democrats are the party that says government canmake you richer, smarter, taller, and get the chickweedout of your lawn.Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work,and then they get elected and prove it." - P.J. O'Rourke

Post by Ubiquitous1) The Memo is ReleasedThe FISA memo bomb has been dropped. It pretty much confirmedeverything Republicans had been talking about in interviews for thepast two weeks.

Actually, it pretty much disproved everything Republicans have beensaying.

Swill must be having a psychotic break.... the sudden reality that hisreligion is false has caused a break with reality.Time to seek professional mental help for that. We can't put a band-aidon it here for you, if we did it would just be a matter of time andyou'd be up on the 32nd floor with a rifle if we did that.

Post by Ubiquitous1) The Memo is ReleasedThe FISA memo bomb has been dropped. It pretty much confirmedeverything Republicans had been talking about in interviews for thepast two weeks.

Actually, it pretty much disproved everything Republicans have beensaying.

Swill must be having a psychotic break.... the sudden reality that hisreligion is false has caused a break with reality.Time to seek professional mental help for that. We can't put a band-aidon it here for you, if we did it would just be a matter of time andyou'd be up on the 32nd floor with a rifle if we did that.

Back to insults when you lose a debate?Like saving money with Geico, not surprising.Swill

Feeling better are you ?

good for you.

I have yet to see anyone win or lose a debate, they just get tired andgive up. I post the truth all the time, how is that winning? I think Ijust break even doing that. I suppose you could say the people thatignore the truth are the losers but really they're just the victims ofLiberalism.

--"Democrats are the party that says government canmake you richer, smarter, taller, and get the chickweedout of your lawn.Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work,and then they get elected and prove it." - P.J. O'Rourke

Post by UbiquitousIf you watched cable news last week you pretty muchknow everything thats in the memo. Is that why the information wasa little  I dont know  underwhelming? For being billed as a memofull of classified information, I struggled to find anything in itthat could be considered damaging to national security. That makesthe Democrats, FBI and DoJ look kind of ridiculous in trying toblock its release.But it also makes Republicans look a little ridiculous in all thebuild up and hype that led up to Fridays release. Now, dont get mewrong, the information within the memo is interesting. The GOP isaccusing the FBI and DoJ of lying to the FISA court in order to geta warrant for former Trump advisor Carter Page. They claim that theSteele Dossier was listed in the initial FISA application, but theroles of Fusion GPS, the DNC and the Clinton campaign were nevermentioned. If thats true then the FBI and DoJ were knowingly tryingto pass off partisan opposition research as actual intelligence, ANDthey hid the truth from the court, not once, but four times.This all looks really bad, but its also only half of the story.Democrats have written their own rebuttal memo, and a vote for itsrelease is expected later today. We can also expect to hear from theFBI AND DoJ at some point as well. Will The Great Memo Wars of 2018reveal anything new, or will it descend into a giant liar liarpants on fire slap fight? Either way, more transparency is stillthe answer. So get ready for a flood of memos. This is either goingto be very enlightening, or brutally painful.2) Powerful Super Bowl AdsA beautiful newborn baby cries and fidgets in her hospital bed. Sheis perfect. A nurse lifts her up to comfort her. Its revealed thatthe child is missing both legs below the knee and one arm.She is still perfect.Toyota hit the ball out of the park with its compelling Super Bowlcommercial about Paralympic Gold Medalist Lauren Woolstencroft. In60 seconds, we saw her birth, her struggles to use her mechanicallimbs, her failures, and her victories.People who believe in eugenics see no quality of life for those bornwith deformities. How can they possibly think that after watchingLauren thrive and go on to win eight gold medals?In that one minute, Toyota showed the world that all life matters.Its important to note that no cars are mentioned in the ad, becausethat wasnt the point. Toyota is transitioning into a mobilitycompany and they wanted to show that the technology they aredeveloping will help humanity.Dodge also opted to showcase their new technology, but the carmakerwas heavily criticized for their commercial.The commercial featured a new Dodge Ram truck helping bring suppliesand volunteers to communities hit by natural disasters. Thecontroversial part? Dodge used Martin Luther King, Jrs speech onserving in the background.People were outraged that Dodge would use MLKs words to sell cars.I dont see it that way.I think anytime Martin Luther King Jrs words are broadcast andremembered is a good thing.We need to hear his words, especially now.Yes, Dodge is selling their new Ram, but they are also selling whatyou can do with that vehicle: Serve others.In 120 seconds, the Toyota and Dodge commercials conveyed themessage that advancements in technology can be used for goodits upto us to use it that way.3) The Gender-Neutralization of "O Canada"If progressivism is a disease, Canada is terminally ill with it. TheU.S. prognosis is probably critical condition.On Wednesday, Canadas Senate approved changing a line in theEnglish version of their national anthem, O Canada, to make itgender neutral. The second line of the anthem will now be Truepatriot love in all of us command rather than the oppressive,insanely offensive old version, True patriot love in all thy sonscommand.Now that their anthem isnt sexist anymore, Canadians can finallyfeel free to sing it again.Somehow, I doubt the Canadian senators checked with the peoplebecause thats not how progressives operate. I bet most Canadianswouldve preferred leaving the anthem alone. Theyve had the songthat way for over a century and no one died of sexism because of it.Canadian feminist author Margaret Atwood was one of the peoplebehind this effort. She wrote the novel The Handmaids Tale. You canlook that one up for insight into her feelings on tradition, faith,and conservatism. Shes real subtle.This is the dark side of progressivism everywhere  it presumes toknow whats best for the people. But its always the agenda of afew, forced on the majority. Or sometimes the agenda, or feelings ofjust one individual. Progressivism thinks it is promoting morefreedom, when often it is tyranny. So, you get things like MichelleObama dictating to your local school what cafeteria food it canserve. Or one mother in Webster Parish, Louisiana who recently gotstudent-led prayer banned at her daughters high school.Respect for tradition as a stabilizing, enriching agent in societyis one of the key diverging points of the Left and Right in the U.S.Decades of progressivism chipping away at things like religion, theflag, the Constitution, and patriotism in general, all the way toObamas apologizing tour of a presidency, has created an enormousbacklash from heartland Americans. To the point that a whole sectionof Trumps State of the Union speech was a lecture on respecting theflag, anthem, and motto. Its just sad that weve sunk so low thatthe State of the Union has turned into a pep rally about who hasmore team spirit.Its easy to laugh at those Canadians for wimping out on theiranthem. But progressivism is a persistent disease, so dont think itcant happen here.

Post by Ubiquitous1) The Memo is ReleasedThe FISA memo bomb has been dropped. It pretty much confirmedeverything Republicans had been talking about in interviews for thepast two weeks.

Actually, it pretty much disproved everything Republicans have beensaying.

Personally I think the only way to get to the truth is to release thecourt transcripts.

Certainly and both sides know that will never happen. So, wot's, uh,the deal? Political football. The gop has no intention of allowingthe public to view both sides of the story and make up its own mind.That would conflict with their policy of telling their members whatthey're supposed to think.

Post by UbiquitousIf you watched cable news last week you pretty muchknow everything thats in the memo.

Or you could just read it for your self and make up your own mind.It's been quoted in full in *dozens* of publications.<https://www.google.com/search?q=nunes+memo+text&rlz=1C1CHWL_enUS727US727&oq=nunes+memo+text&aqs=chrome..69i57.3710j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8>

Swill

--"Democrats are the party that says government canmake you richer, smarter, taller, and get the chickweedout of your lawn.Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work,and then they get elected and prove it." - P.J. O'Rourke

Post by MattBPersonally I think the only way to get to the truth is to release thecourt transcripts.

Certainly and both sides know that will never happen. So, wot's, uh,the deal? Political football. The gop has no intention of allowing

Transcripts are for trial courts. Appelate courts work mostly by passing piecesof paper around. Does the FISA court have oral arguments or does it put it onpaper? Unless the judges write out opinions to explain their decisions, there'snothing to explain their decisions: if so, all you get are the requests and aapproval or disapproval.

The judges are not answerable to Congress. They decide for themselves theirprocedures.

I don't see how warrant requests could be executive privilege, so Congressshould have access to all the requests, which they then selectively quote.

Post by Ubiquitous1) The Memo is ReleasedThe FISA memo bomb has been dropped. It pretty much confirmedeverything Republicans had been talking about in interviews for thepast two weeks.

Actually, it pretty much disproved everything Republicans have beensaying.

Personally I think the only way to get to the truth is to release thecourt transcripts.

Certainly and both sides know that will never happen. So, wot's, uh,the deal? Political football. The gop has no intention of allowingthe public to view both sides of the story and make up its own mind.That would conflict with their policy of telling their members whatthey're supposed to think.

I think they should release it. Then if it does hurt the FBI show thepublic how.

I believe the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act should be mademore public and how congress actually oversees it also made morepublic.

Post by UbiquitousIf you watched cable news last week you pretty muchknow everything thats in the memo.

Or you could just read it for your self and make up your own mind.It's been quoted in full in *dozens* of publications.<https://www.google.com/search?q=nunes+memo+text&rlz=1C1CHWL_enUS727US727&oq=nunes+memo+text&aqs=chrome..69i57.3710j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8>

You do know you are responding to a different poster not mehere....right???

Post by UbiquitousIf you watched cable news last week you pretty muchknow everything thats in the memo.

Or you could just read it for your self and make up your own mind.It's been quoted in full in *dozens* of publications.<https://www.google.com/search?q=nunes+memo+text&rlz=1C1CHWL_enUS727US727&oq=nunes+memo+text&aqs=chrome..69i57.3710j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8>

You do know you are responding to a different poster not mehere....right???

Yes, that's why I interjected it below their writing. Sorry for theconfusion if you thought that was aimed at you.

Swill

--"Democrats are the party that says government canmake you richer, smarter, taller, and get the chickweedout of your lawn.Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work,and then they get elected and prove it." - P.J. O'Rourke

Post by UbiquitousIf you watched cable news last week you pretty muchknow everything thats in the memo.

Or you could just read it for your self and make up your own mind.It's been quoted in full in *dozens* of publications.<https://www.google.com/search?q=nunes+memo+text&rlz=1C1CHWL_enUS727US727&oq=nunes+memo+text&aqs=chrome..69i57.3710j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8>

You do know you are responding to a different poster not mehere....right???

Yes, that's why I interjected it below their writing. Sorry for theconfusion if you thought that was aimed at you.

No problem I always like raw data. People should read it forthemselves not just believe the press biased interpretation..