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speaking truth to the new powerTue, 31 Mar 2015 17:38:34 +0000hourly1http://wordpress.com/By: johnkawakamihttp://pando.com/2014/08/01/michael-malone-in-fifteen-years-the-face-of-silicon-valley-will-be-an-indian-woman/#comment-98560
Sat, 09 Aug 2014 06:04:32 +0000http://pando.com/?p=150048#comment-98560rbottoms Todd Dunning kpn320 I already feel like a robot implementing the wisdom of StackOverflow.:)
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Sat, 09 Aug 2014 05:38:32 +0000http://pando.com/?p=150048#comment-98559Todd Dunning rbottoms kpn320 The essence of America would be a green card visa, not a “guest worker” visa. The guest worker laws have, and always have, led to the creation of labor contracting companies. These contracting companies end up abusing workers.
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Fri, 08 Aug 2014 18:41:28 +0000http://pando.com/?p=150048#comment-98508Todd Dunning rbottoms kpn320 BTW, before anyone spends $20,000 getting a CS degree you better consider that programming as currently conceived is doomed.
Either IBM’s Watson or a clone learns how to do it replacing most human programmers in every language on every platform, or the singularity happens where humans become incapable of writing software on anything but the most rudimentary level.
We’re hopefully talking decades yet, but then the Apple II is about 40 years old.
Time goes by rather quickly don’t you think?

So what time there is left to make serious bank in software, it seems to me sending that work elsewhere is seriously stupid.

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Fri, 08 Aug 2014 18:26:28 +0000http://pando.com/?p=150048#comment-98507Todd Dunning rbottoms kpn320
You’re too young to remember, but back in the stone ago companies used
to train workers for positons that needed filling. why not take that
several billion dollars and keep workers current in new langauges.

You
must not be a programmer because the skill needed to learn learn C++,
and Java, and Objective-C, Perl, PHP. It’s not like shifting a COBOL programmer over to IOS.

Every
language invented in the last two decades is OOP, all that is required
is to learn the new methods for executing the same actions on a
different platform.

Find data, display it is the same thought process in almost every language.
Plus
year over year Apple and Microsoft make calling those functions more
powerful and less complicated to write. What took dozens of lines of
code four years ago to setup and prepare to send a message or a picture
to Facebook is now just, send object to Facebook.
Database support is built-in, XML parsing built-in, JSON parsing built-in, Sprites built-in, are sensing a pattern?

Most
jobs being filled are easy for any computer science grad to do the work
and certainly not a major challenge for them to learn any specific
requirement. What incomprehensible skill does it take to use Dreamweaver
to churn out shovelware?

It is a scam. There is no
shortage of people who have the required skills or who cannot be taught
them if it they are needed so badly.
And if Indians or
people from any other country are so good, going through the process of
getting a green card, then going on job interviews just like I use to
shouldn’t be a big risk. They should get scooped up in a second.
Already
here going to school? Graduate, apply for a regular visa, wait your
turn come here and get rich. The scam is that H1B program is supposed to
be bringing only the superstars here, in fact it is bringing average to
good programmers and we have plenty of those right here at home.

If you read the stories here and at that “other” blog, most of what is being built is junk.
Only
a tiny fraction of anything is new and believe me that little cadre
capable creating of NEW are not looking for work. Linus Torvalds does
not have to look for a job I assure you.
You are being suckered.

By the time you factor in the premium paid to pay a contractor through a 3rd party intermediary, transportation costs, and overhead, American firms are paying more for the Indian worker than if they just hired an American to do the job.
If I’m making $80hr then the firm is paying $120hr all for the privilege of not having to hire me full time. The wage is even inflated to cover the fact American firms don’t want to pay for health care.
I’m not taking a job without health insurance unless you pay me enough to buy it, so a $60hr job becomes an $80hr job which becomes a $120hr contract.
That’s seriously stupid.

Second, the jobs are advertised overseas 12-18 month in advance without any requirement to offer the job to an American or green card holder. The work goes straight to Mumbai and you never even see it much less get a chance to compete for it or train for it.
If I knew I had 18 months to learn multi-threaded programming for a particular piece of hardware in a particular language, I could buy all the components build the system and write the code to make it work before ever going to an interview. That is if I were 29 instead of 59.

Indians aren’t 10 feet tall.
They aren’t smarter or more dedicated as a group.
They do have a great PR department though because they have people like you convinced they can do what you do better and cheaper.

By the time you factor in the premium paid to pay a contractor through a 3rd party intermediary, transportation costs, and overhead, American firms are paying more for the Indian worker than if they just hired an American to do the job.
If I’m making $80hr then the firm is paying $120hr all for the privilege of not having to hire me full time. The wage is even inflated to cover the fact American firms don’t want to pay for health care.
I’m not taking a job without health insurance unless you pay me enough to buy it, so a $60hr job becomes an $80hr job which becomes a $120hr contract.
That’s seriously stupid.

Second, the jobs are advertised overseas 12-18 month in advance without any requirement to offer the job to an American or green card holder. The work goes straight to Mumbai and you never even see it much less get a chance to compete for it or train for it.
If I knew I had 18 months to learn multi-threaded programming for a particular piece of hardware in a particular language, I could buy all the components build the system and write the code to make it work before ever going to an interview. That is if I were 29 instead of 59.

Indians aren’t 10 feet tall.
They aren’t smarter or more dedicated as a group.
They do have a great PR department though because they have people like you convinced they can do what you do better and cheaper.

I disagree Richard. The H1B visa is the very essence of what makes America great. It allows the most talented and hard-working people to get here and help our companies thrive.
Because our schools are still run by burned-out white hippies they do not provide a skilled workforce as other countries have. Therefore we have to import. I have to outsource $7K of every month to Russia because I cannot find suitable mobile developers here in the Bay Area.

Without H1B, either the work doesn’t get done or you have to outsource which we all know is a pain in the ass. None of us have the time to wait for our so-called educational system to catch up.

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Fri, 08 Aug 2014 17:31:23 +0000http://pando.com/?p=150048#comment-98492kpn320 No difference at all between typical racist “humor”, and welcoming Indian women and anyone else with a green card to compete against me fairly.
The H1B visa program is a sham, a fraud, and an assembly line dedicated to sending work that Americans born in this country and immigrants who have acquired citizenship status could be doing here.

It doesn’t matter if the H1B job goes to someone from Mumbai or Dublin, the game is rigged so we don’t get a chance to compete fairly.

]]>By: rbottomshttp://pando.com/2014/08/01/michael-malone-in-fifteen-years-the-face-of-silicon-valley-will-be-an-indian-woman/#comment-98491
Fri, 08 Aug 2014 17:31:23 +0000http://pando.com/?p=150048#comment-98491kpn320 No difference at all between typical racist “humor”, and welcoming Indian women and anyone else with a green card to compete against me fairly.
The H1B visa program is a sham, a fraud, and an assembly line dedicated to sending work that Americans born in this country and immigrants who have acquired citizenship status could be doing here.

It doesn’t matter if the H1B job goes to someone from Mumbai or Dublin, the game is rigged so we don’t get a chance to compete fairly.