denanna123 wrote:I've had nothing but great experiences with CH spirits and spells, very powerful and active. I can't see spirits and have yet to achieve astral travel but from the somewhat limited communication I do have with my companions I can say for sure that no one's been bound against their will!

The only negative thing I have to say is that the physic readings I've had (admittedly only 2)from CH have not been very accurate, but your mileage may vary!

Have you gotten any more readings from creepy hollows since then? I would say my readings are bad/not very accurate or just confusing and make no sense.

Dasadon wrote: I don’t like the paradigm of CH. White, dark, black arts. Living entities Vs. spirits. Astral, spiritual, physical. I don’t know if these are specific to CH [...]

Based on CH terminology The Seelie court is not white arts they are dark arts. The Unseelie are not dark arts they are black arts.

Hi Dasadon

I respect people's different viewpoints and respect is also one of the principles of this forum.

I do find these comments interesting. I have been buying from these kind of metaphysical sellers for 5 years and have noticed that they vary somewhat in how they categorise the different spirits.

I had come across the idea of astral beings whose whole lives are spent there before learning about CH's Living Entities. But the fact is there are differing viewpoints on the nature of astral / spirits etc and there always have been. I find it hard to say with absolute certainty that one approach is 100% right and others must therefore be wrong.

That not just about tolerance or respect for diversity it's also because of the uncertainty of knowledge, philosophically or scientifically speaking. Every belief we hold is fundamentally just a working theory. Some work better than others. We all have our favourites.

Some use Light / Grey /Dark, where CH currently labels them in the shop as White /Dark. I think some use Neutral instead of Grey. In the old CH encyclopedia some were labelled Grey and are now called Dark.

I think what matters is that each seller is trying to give us useful information about each type of spirit. Although they use different labels and may change the names for those labels over time the labels are just a convenience really. I also think what one seller calls Dark can be different in energy from what another seller's Dark spirits are like. Plus the way they are bound / 'contracted' might make a difference from one seller to the next as to what their spirits are like.

So to me it's only natural that there are these differences in terminology and it doesn't follow that a particular seller is in the wrong or ignorant if they each describe a spirit with same name in different ways.

Another interesting thing for me is that different, very experienced, respected conjurers may be in contact with slightly different races / tribes of a well known type of spirit, so what each offers can have different powers / characteristics, or have agreed to manifest on a different basis for one conjurer than they do for another.

Don’t be scared. This island is full of noises, strange sounds and sweet melodies that make you feel good and don’t hurt anyone. Sometimes I hear a thousand twanging instruments hum at my ears, and sometimes voices that send me back to sleep even if I had just woken up—and then I dreamed of clouds opening up and dropping such riches on me that when I woke up, I cried because I wanted to dream again. Caliban, The Tempest, Shakespeare