I listen to NFL radio quite a bit, and this still gets attention there at times.....just a lot of other news going on that drowns out the spotlight on this. One thing I found interesting was that several players are now wondering about the implication of this.....namely that the NFL teams were "wink, wink, nudge, nudge" told "unofficially" by NFL not to stray outside bounds of the salary cap in a non-salary cap year.

I don't expect this to be resolved in our favor......think that either the NFL will tell Dan and Jerry that this type of legal action could open up a far larger can of worms for the league (i.e. collusion to keep players salaries at certain levels even in uncapped year)......or NFL will merely do what they normally do, apply pressure and strong arm tactics to the situation.

After all that I have read on this.....both sides of the equation.....I still feel that we did nothing wrong in an uncapped season. Heck, we could have gone Steinbrenner on the NFL and really sent other owners through the roof. Bottom line is that we spent money above cap in an uncapped year, and moves were approved by the league. Whether or not there was a gentlemans agreement is irrevalent as there was no cap that year.

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rskin72 wrote:I don't expect this to be resolved in our favor......think that either the NFL will tell Dan and Jerry that this type of legal action could open up a far larger can of worms for the league (i.e. collusion to keep players salaries at certain levels even in uncapped year)......or NFL will merely do what they normally do, apply pressure and strong arm tactics to the situation.

There is a third option between the nuclear option and the bend-over-and-take-it option, and that's arbitration. We won't actually be going to court, so not risking bringing up anti-trust issues for the league, but we can not only get the cap space back, but be awarded damages as well. I think this is the most likely route, for those reasons.

rskin72 wrote:I don't expect this to be resolved in our favor......think that either the NFL will tell Dan and Jerry that this type of legal action could open up a far larger can of worms for the league (i.e. collusion to keep players salaries at certain levels even in uncapped year)......or NFL will merely do what they normally do, apply pressure and strong arm tactics to the situation.

There is a third option between the nuclear option and the bend-over-and-take-it option, and that's arbitration. We won't actually be going to court, so not risking bringing up anti-trust issues for the league, but we can not only get the cap space back, but be awarded damages as well. I think this is the most likely route, for those reasons.

I'm not sure the nuclear option would be off the table. Wouldn't Jerry and Danny be the first two guys who would like to see the cap go away? I'm not clear how the NFL isn't pointing the gun at their own head and daring Danny to pull the trigger.

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rskin72 wrote:I don't expect this to be resolved in our favor......think that either the NFL will tell Dan and Jerry that this type of legal action could open up a far larger can of worms for the league (i.e. collusion to keep players salaries at certain levels even in uncapped year)......or NFL will merely do what they normally do, apply pressure and strong arm tactics to the situation.

There is a third option between the nuclear option and the bend-over-and-take-it option, and that's arbitration. We won't actually be going to court, so not risking bringing up anti-trust issues for the league, but we can not only get the cap space back, but be awarded damages as well. I think this is the most likely route, for those reasons.

I'm not sure the nuclear option would be off the table. Wouldn't Jerry and Danny be the first two guys who would like to see the cap go away? I'm not clear how the NFL isn't pointing the gun at their own head and daring Danny to pull the trigger.

I'm not sure the cap would be the only casualty of losing their anti-trust exemption. Losing that could kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.

Deadskins wrote:There is a third option between the nuclear option and the bend-over-and-take-it option, and that's arbitration.

I actually think this will get resolved at the owners meeting starting today or tomorrow. Dan and JJ will force the owners to take a vote to make this cap hit official. The NFL won't get the required votes and the cap his will quietly go away. This is the best case situation for the NFL. The Skins and Cowgirls have already felt some punishment, by having to alter their FA plans. The NFL got their pound of flesh (vice the the arm and leg) they wanted and the Skins and Cowgirls get their cap back and come out looking like they won.

I think this just goes away.

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Deadskins wrote:There is a third option between the nuclear option and the bend-over-and-take-it option, and that's arbitration.

I actually think this will get resolved at the owners meeting starting today or tomorrow. Dan and JJ will force the owners to take a vote to make this cap hit official. The NFL won't get the required votes and the cap his will quietly go away. This is the best case situation for the NFL. The Skins and Cowgirls have already felt some punishment, by having to alter their FA plans. The NFL got their pound of flesh (vice the the arm and leg) they wanted and the Skins and Cowgirls get their cap back and come out looking like they won.

I think this just goes away.

I hope you're right, but I don't think Goodell would go for it. It would make it appear Danny and Jerry won. I think he's going to press it and end up with a bigger loss and more egg on his face.

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Ummm... Godell doesn't have the power of veto over the owners... THEY employ HIM. Additionally, he was just doing the bidding of that ass, Mara. If I'm Danny, I not only want the cap restored, and I want Mara penalized somehow for this obvious attempt to cripple division rivals.

Deadskins wrote:There is a third option between the nuclear option and the bend-over-and-take-it option, and that's arbitration.

I actually think this will get resolved at the owners meeting starting today or tomorrow. Dan and JJ will force the owners to take a vote to make this cap hit official. The NFL won't get the required votes and the cap his will quietly go away. This is the best case situation for the NFL. The Skins and Cowgirls have already felt some punishment, by having to alter their FA plans. The NFL got their pound of flesh (vice the the arm and leg) they wanted and the Skins and Cowgirls get their cap back and come out looking like they won.

I think this just goes away.

That's step #1 and it may in there, if not it's on to arbitration (step #2) if neither option gets this resolved step three would be to take the league to court.

The only hold up to the owners resolving by a vote is the $1.6M the owners may have to give back, and what to do about the 2012 cap (considering it would have been around $114M if the room hadn't been taken from the teams.

Deadskins wrote:There is a third option between the nuclear option and the bend-over-and-take-it option, and that's arbitration.

I actually think this will get resolved at the owners meeting starting today or tomorrow. Dan and JJ will force the owners to take a vote to make this cap hit official. The NFL won't get the required votes and the cap his will quietly go away. This is the best case situation for the NFL. The Skins and Cowgirls have already felt some punishment, by having to alter their FA plans. The NFL got their pound of flesh (vice the the arm and leg) they wanted and the Skins and Cowgirls get their cap back and come out looking like they won.

I think this just goes away.

That's step #1 and it may in there, if not it's on to arbitration (step #2) if neither option gets this resolved step three would be to take the league to court.

The only hold up to the owners resolving by a vote is the $1.6M the owners may have to give back, and what to do about the 2012 cap (considering it would have been around $114M if the room hadn't been taken from the teams.

A source with knowledge of the situation tells PFT that the Cowboys and Redskins have filed a formal grievance against the NFL, the NFL Management Council, and the NFL Players Association challenging the agreement to remove and redistribute cap space allocated to the Cowboys and Redskins in exchange for increasing the total salary cap for 2012 to $120.6 million per team.

Not many details currently are known about the grievance. The other 30 teams will receive a full briefing this week, at the league meetings in Florida.