Typical Obama. In a previous speech, he says we are not the blue states of America, or the red states of America, but the United States of America. Then in this speech, he essentially trashes that. When he speaks to struggling people, he talks about the rich, calls them fat cats. Then when he is around rich people he soothes them with talk about he really likes business people. All Obama wants is to be re-elected, fly around in that big jet, be called President, be the most interesting person in the room, eye candy on The View. He really doesn't like the business of actually, you know, governing.

Typical Obama. In a previous speech, he says we are not the blue states of America, or the red states of America, but the United States of America. Then in this speech, he essentially trashes that. When he speaks to struggling people, he talks about the rich, calls them fat cats. Then when he is around rich people he soothes them with talk about he really likes business people. All Obama wants is to be re-elected, fly around in that big jet, be called President, be the most interesting person in the room, eye candy on The View. He really doesn't like the business of actually, you know, governing.

You, on the other hand, Althouse are a bit of a pussy with your lack of opinion or reaction to what you saw on the tapes. Analyze it with some passion - tell us is this what you want a president to say to special interest groups. Was Obama validating what Romney said -that many people like to act like victims. Hell, Obama said they were victims of the fed govt and white privilege.

I really like how he changed the '1000 years' at the end to be '300 years.' Clearly, premeditated race-baiting with the prepared text providing cover. It foreshadow's Biden's 'gonna put you in chains' remarks.

“They may need help with basic skills — how to show up to work on time, wear the right clothes, and act appropriately in an office."

Seriously? They're not learning this in the public schools we've provided for them? If one government program fails the people, hey, no problem. We'll just institute another expensive program destined to fail the people. And send the bill to our kids!

We learned nothing from this video that we didn't already know about Obama.

True, but we aren't the intended audience. This is one more pressure point against the buffering that the media has done to protect Obama from a half dozen narratives that in the aggregate would nail the coffin shut on him. At some point, hopefully before the election when it will do some good, there may be enough pressure to make the buffering unsustainable. Libya may have been the start.

White liberals are still going to be willing to kiss black ass to appear "hip" and un-racist.

Liberal talking heads are still going to lie right in your face.

The man is a known whitey-hater- this just confirms what intelligent and honest people knew already, and those that don't want to know will spin up yarns in their own heads to save their vision of the unicorn rider.

It reveals a man who thinks that blacks, to this day, are poor because they are deprived of opportunity, and that this is entirely due to white racism. No thought is given to the role of family or cultural dysfunction -- in fact he thinks that mere counseling will be sufficient to overcome self-inflicted ills.

He has has a breathtakingly naive understanding of economics and business. He views everything as zero-sum. Lastly, he sees government as the main engine of change and opportunity.

This is only news to people who do news for a living, but they don't care anyway. So it will have no effect. The level of corruption, dishonesty and incompetence of the man in the job for the last 3 1/2 years is all one should need. The handling of Fast and Furious and the embassy attacks are each worse scandals than Watergate. Obamacare alone will probably be the most damaging policy since James Buchanan was getting some nasty.

Simple divisiveness, hypocrisy, and bigotry are just irritating tics by comparison. It's nothing. Besides he's a little bit Black, so it doesn't count.

This does expose the media for their love affair with the secret "47%" tape. The video tonight proves that Obama can pander to his audiences as bad or worse than Romney.

On substance he talked a lot about the war in Iraq and the problems, death and costs there. Yet we've spent four years doubling down on Afghanistan with more costs, death, etc. And I don't have a clue what his strategy is there.

Why doesn't anyone in the media question him on the Afghan war? This thing is a mess.

Just watched Rachel Maddow dismiss this as nothing new and RACIST. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/10/02/maddow_on_obama_tape_right_wants_you_to_believe_hes_way_more_black_than_he_seems_to_you_now.html So I don't think it will change many minds.

Guys- and y'all are guys- NO ONE CARES about this video, no one. Even NYT has rejected it. Rachel Maddow on MSNBC has slammed it. The list-service was active via WH and K-street. I started the service.

YOU CANNOT WIN. EVERY-UNFORCED ERROR WE MAKE, WE WILL CIRCLE THE WAGONS.

By the way, I think of racism as being done in conjunction with structured or systemic inequalities in society, so I wouldn't usually think of white people as suffering from racism by black people, but we probably don't want to turn this thread into a debate about semantics.

Fast and furious will cost Obama at least 3% out of the 8% that is the Hispanic vote, but that's not the only reason he will lose, although it is enough. You will be seeing a lot of media bullshit pretending there is no problem there in the next week, because that's what happens when there actually is a problem.

By the way, I think of racism as being done in conjunction with structured or systemic inequalities in society, so I wouldn't usually think of white people as suffering from racism by black people, but we probably don't want to turn this thread into a debate about semantics.

I'm a magic liberal! I wave a wand and pffft! black racism disappears!

I'm not denying that black people can't be bigoted or prejudiced. Racial bigotry and racial prejudice are a thing and anyone can do them.

But I think at some point it is useful to distinguish between the systematic difference between a racially privileged class (whites) engaging in behavior that is part of entrenched and racially-marked economic, social, and political inequalities versus what oppressed people (blacks, others) are doing in America.

Some people think that there is no difference between racial prejudice by a white person and by a black person, which completely ignores the power differential that often exists between those two groups of people in America.

This often leads to absurd results, like white people who think that the racial calculation in America is tipped in favor of black people over them. Because someone called them cracker, or something.

I'm done for the night. Have fun y'all.

I'll check back tomorrow morning and respond to anything that would be productive.

The words are one thing - politicians pander, and Obama is clearly pandering here. But the proverbial "gangsta" accent? Very odd, almost Freudian in its weird remove from what we've come to see as his fluid, erudite cool. People knock Romney as being alien or detached from regular folks - well, clearly Obama's the alien in this contest, the disconnected, thereless there. Who is this guy? How can we know, if he himself doesn't have a clue?

Just remember phx, Obama was raised by white people thousands of miles from where that accent lives. He's a fake, but you are obsessed with winning, so he could lie right to your face about anything or everything, and you would still want him to win. That's what happened last time, didn't it?My choice may not win, but I won't be the sucker either way. You already are.

Andy, you learned that in school just like most of us did. I do have a problem with the way some white people complain of "reverse racism" and of course being called a "cracker" doesn't have the same sting as being called a "n"

This really is not a topic that the campaign needs to be centered around, jobs, national security, debt, energy independence...

all right bagoh20, man to man...I really don't care that much who wins. I think the USA is bigger than any President, and we always survive them whoever. It's true the threats are bigger than ever, and this time we may not survive, but I don't think that's going to be up to Romney or Obama.

This stuff about Obama's accent, "Jolson Jolson Jolson!" - doesn't even measure a blip on my radar of "terrible things powerful people do to threaten me".

I can understand that. The guy has done a great job. You're just being logical. You want 4 more years of this. Too bad we can't get this great performance from all of our Presidents. Even if the next President could only match half of Obama's record breaking accomplishments, I'd be happy. Very happy.

Both men have a history. One has a very long history of managing big things successfully and, well, the other one does not, so your opinion is a little hard to understand.

By almost every measure Obama has done the worst job of managing a recession since the 40's, yet you find him not responsible, and assume Romney will fail, and of course then will be responsible. It seems a little unbalanced.

By the way, I think of racism as being done in conjunction with structured or systemic inequalities in society, so I wouldn't usually think of white people as suffering from racism by black people, but we probably don't want to turn this thread into a debate about semantics.

Here's the problem with the systemic inequality argument --- how is systemic inequality immoral, and why should whites sacrifice their privilege to fix it?

The argument that racism is a matter of personal morality involves direct antecedents to standard Judeo-Christian moral precepts to treat all men as equally the children of the same God. To rid one's mind of racial prejudice is part of the moral improvement of one's conscience. It is a step in the way to sanctity or at least a moral life.

This moral admonition to eliminate racism binds ALL mankind, including the oppressed minorities, who are also bound to work to eliminate prejudice from their heats. Because, it is NOT the results of prejudice that are evil --- it is the intention itself.

The systemic inequality argument seeks change not at the level of the individual moral agent, but at a societal level. Why should any white person buy into it, when it seeks to lessen his power? It, unlike the moral view, doesn't say that the oppressed & the oppressor are each bound by the same moral law. A white person who agrees to it has no guarantee that his rights will be respected when the minorities achieve power parity or superiority. The moral view rests on the moral dictum that the personal conscience is the seat of morality. The systemic view rests on a much, to me, more dubious view that somehow individuals are embedded en masse in a moral social matrix, but yet as individuals they bear some moral responsibility for the outcomes that social matrix produces. It's not clear to me how individuals in that matrix have any moral agency at all.

In truth, the "systemic inequalities" argument is not spoken of honestly outside of lefty circles because it is simply an identity politics power play that parasites off of the misunderstanding that "moral" opponents of bigotry have that the Left speaks a common language.

One has a very long history of managing big things successfully and, well, the other one does not, so your opinion is a little hard to understand.

The thing that's really amazing is that the Obama campaign/administration (same thing, really) is able to get so many lefties to carry water in their leaking buckets, even though Obama has been a disastrous failure as a "progressive". He's expanded warrantless surveillance on American citizens, he's prolonged and expanded our involvement in Middle Eastern wars, he's shoveled money to various banks, investment firms and corporations at an alarming rate, Gitmo is still open, &c.

Nothing that has happened in the last 3.5 years has caused me to change my opinion that, for most people, politics is not about ideas, it's about tribalism.

Alll in all, a plus for Obama because it diverts attention from his incompetent management of the government and of the nation's fiscal and foreign affairs. Diversion from the core issues always benefits Obama. This is diversion.

On my journey from the far Left to the (so far middling) Right, it saddens me to look around and see how few honest Lefties there are anymore. I mean, many of them from the 60's were batshit crazy, but at least they were consistent malcontents.

Now, you just get the impression that they want to suck up to get on some government or non-profit gravy train....

Young H.....Ralph Nader seems to be one of the few honest lefties around. He may have crazy views, but he is consistant. And the political left hated him in....was it 2004?....because they thought he would take votes away from Kerry.

Strother Martin(Cool Hand Luke)--"What we've got here is failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it. I don't like it any more than you men." PHX...n'est-ce pas.

This video doesn't show anything we already didn't know. Zero is a big pander bear. What politician isn't? In other words, who cares.

More damning is what it shows about how far the liberal press will actually go to prop up their Boy King. This Sullivan character who claimed to have posted the transcript, but instead just used the prepared statements issued by the campaign...If I were his boss, I'd fire him on the spot. No. First, I'd make him write an apology to all the readers for lying, not misleading, not misspeaking, LYING, about what was said.

The other news services are almost as culpable, with their selective editing. It's like they really don't see how damaging to their own credibility is when they get caught doing this stuff. The saddest part is that they don't see what they've done wrong, because a "greater good" was served. That always works out well. Just ask any Jihadist, or Inquisitor. So when the legacy of Breitbart consumes them they will be left suffocating in the Eigth Circle, Second Bolgia.

He's expanded warrantless surveillance on American citizens, he's prolonged and expanded our involvement in Middle Eastern wars, he's shoveled money to various banks, investment firms and corporations at an alarming rate, Gitmo is still open, &c.

That all makes sense if you consider Obama's main goal is to just not have any trouble for himself.As long as he can do something on the QT, he'll do it. He wants a quiet space where he can perform his presidenting.

Those who voted for Obama the first time around are most likely in denial anyway, so they would try to ignore all the uncomfortable truths of this clip.

It's "Pharaoh syndrom", the more you are proven wrong, the more you dig in. I think that Obama can win only for this reason. Those who voted for him were so much wrong, that it's hard to take in. So any "October surprise" will only work for Obama at this stage.

Some people think that there is no difference between racial prejudice by a white person and by a black person, which completely ignores the power differential that often exists between those two groups of people in America.

To try and put forward that well-worn argument in this context is just hilarious.

We are talking about video of a man who is currently THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. How much power does a black person need to have before his saying blatantly racist shit is worthy of concern and criticism?

Synova said... Where was the "Never underestimate people's ability to ignore proof of what others have been trying to tell them for years."

All during the last pres. election I told people that they really didn't know what this guy-Obama- was all about. Do a little research into his state voting record. Do a little research into his community organizing. But no.So now I just point and laugh because it really just comes down to the producers and the folks that want to keep their free stuff. The decievers.

Alll in all, a plus for Obama because it diverts attention from his incompetent management of the government and of the nation's fiscal and foreign affairs. Diversion from the core issues always benefits Obama. This is diversion.

Didn't watch it, don't plan to. The video was likely overhyped by Drudge, but the old network media won't go near it. If they saw a video of Barry stabbing someone to death, they'd just say the victim had it coming. It can't be repeated enough about what a disservice our 'free' press is doing to us.

I already know what I need to know about Obama. I work in the private sector, and I vote.

My vote was "Big bowl of nothing." Another choice would be "Right-wing desperation."

I didn't see anything I didn't know already, except more proof the Right won't bother to look at Romney - just like the Left didn't bother to look at Obama - just like the people in Washington don't look at the bills they pass, so they're all deliberately screwing us, and the rest of you play along, pretending you're engaged in this thing called "politics," which no American has actually seen since probably Bush v. Gore.

The so-called "smart" kids on the Right - Drudge, Hannity, Reynolds, Malkin, etc. - are a clown car of idiots and liars.

Mitt Romney has said much dumber things than this and our assorted "trusted" news gatherers response?

Hearing Obama give a shout out to his long time pastor and "friend", the Rev. Wright, knowing that just months later he would throw Wright under the bus for political expediency, reminds us how much Obama is a typical politician: a shameless, self-serving, pandering chameleon who tailors his speech and manner according to his audience. If nothing else, this betrayal of Rev. Wright should have provided a clue to Obama's supporters--black or white--that they could not put any faith in Obama's integrity, courage, loyalty, or ability to stand fast in the face of public opprobrium.

No one who wishes to see the American status quo continue need have any fear of Obama. He is not going to impose socialism on us, or incite an uprising of the poor majority against the rich minority, or withdraw all our troops from abroad, or cut our war budget, or do anything that really needs doing; he is going to maintain the power of the elites, the same elites whom Mitt serves, and whether Obama or Romney wins in November, we will notice only a change in style and show, but almost none in governance, policies, or outcomes.

I didn't see anything I didn't know already, except more proof the Right won't bother to look at Romney - just like the Left didn't bother to look at Obama - just like the people in Washington don't look at the bills they pass, so they're all deliberately screwing us

CE: I get this. And my vote for Romney isn't because I don't see his flaws. Believe me I do. But Obama and his group and so ambitious about 'changing' America into something I cannot recognize. The are selling socialism, but we'll get something more like organized crime, I think. I just don't have the heart for 4 more years of this.

I think Romney will do less harm in the next term. And during that time, we need to think about what to do next - to save liberty and freedom. Because the path we're on won't just take our liberty - it will destroy us economically.

But I think at some point it is useful to distinguish between the systematic difference between a racially privileged class (whites) engaging in behavior that is part of entrenched and racially-marked economic, social, and political inequalities versus what oppressed people (blacks, others) are doing in America

You know what's sad though? The media spent more time in the lead up to this tape on Twitter trying to downplay and debunk it than they spent trying to find out why our ambassador died until they were scooped several times over by smaller outfits and international outfits. It wasn't until CNN went for the throat that the NYT and WaPo felt it was OK to hit the administration on intelligence failures that got people killed.

But, they did not even wait for the full video to release before deciding it wasn't worth talking about.

This is a video, mind you, they all had but did not report on. This is a story about the media falling down on its job. Where's the fact check of the speech that shows that Bush gave billions to New Orleans with no strings attached? That Bush has done more than anyone else to fight AIDS in Africa?

The reason no one cares to fact check this? Because it would be damning for Obama. It has nothing to do with race or racism, and all to do with the fact the man gave a terrible, fact-free speech.

CE: I get this. And my vote for Romney isn't because I don't see his flaws. Believe me I do. But Obama and his group and so ambitious about 'changing' America into something I cannot recognize.

That you think Romney and Co. aren't out to do the same thing is what bothers me - that you buy their line as well.

I put this quote here, yesterday, and it was ignored as it will be again today:

Marion G. Romney—a first cousin of George who was a former member of the First Presidency of the Church, its highest authority—famously related the instructions he’d received from the Mormon prophet:

“Always keep your eye on the president of the church, and if he ever tells you to do anything, and it is wrong, and you do it, the Lord will bless you for it.”

Now, knowing Romney is part of the "church" hierarchy, what part of that says "Romney's not going to change America into something we cannot recognize"? Nothing. It is just more evidence - deliberately held back by the Right - that he is the devoted follower of a proven con man, that you are putting your faith into yet another snake in the grass, for more "Hope And Change," when the problem stays the same:

The Crack Emcee said......"That you think Romney and Co. aren't out to do the same thing is what bothers me -"

On the one hand, we have a self-professed 'community organizer' and on the other hand we have someone with a verifiable track record of bringing the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympic Games back on track ... the decision should be clear, the 'community organizer' is the choice ...

Big bowl of nothing to anyone who actually - oh, I don't know - did their homework before voting?

Wait - you fucking puss, are you actually claiming I haven't been on Obama's ass for more than his term? Boy, you must be, both, stupid and new around here. But - even worse - you don't even recognize I'VE BEEN ON ROMNEY JUST AS LONG. Your ignorant punk ass thinks all of this is new to me. Well it ain't - along with online ignorance, it's all old news.

The Chocolate Crackhead is s racist, resentful, thin-skinned asshole who couldn't run a hotdog stand.

I can imagine there will be all sorts of footage that will be uncovered if the jugged ear jesus gets safely re-elected. To me it just shows how differently someone with an (R) next to their name is treated in the press. This won't get nearly the air play it should by the legacy media but its always been this way as long as I can remember.

Once upon a time there was a Presidential Candidate who, because of a bump in the Economy, suspended his campaign and went back to Washington DC and did exactly nothing. After days of doing nothing, he was back on the campaign trail. Nothing had changed.

On the one hand, we have a self-professed 'community organizer' and on the other hand we have someone with a verifiable track record of bringing the 2002 Salt Lake City Olympic Games back on track ... the decision should be clear, the 'community organizer' is the choice ...

"Back on track" from what? The Salt Lake City Olympic Games were a wholly-owned Mormon enterprise - what were the problems Mitt jumped in to solve? Let me help you out:

It started (started) with a oh-so-religious BRIBERY SCANDAL.

And guess what? Everyone involved in that is now giving money to Mitt's campaign - even the convicted - isn't that grand?

Sounds like we have more than one "community organizer" to deal with, here, hmmm?

"Once upon a time there was a Presidential Candidate who, because of a bump in the Economy, suspended his campaign and went back to Washington DC and did exactly nothing."

-- You're leaving out the part about Harry Reid and other Democrats specifically asking McCain to come back to DC (and not asking Obama, note), then, when he arrived, withdrawing from the meetings they had promised him and breaking off negotiations.

McCain was ill-served by believing that the other side had the country's best interests at heart and went back to D.C. to meet with them as they asked. They then stuck a knife in his back.

High praise from one who, in all credulity, likened Sarah Palin to George Patton and Winston Churchill.

Considering I'm into facts, and she has a solid record of continuing to pick winners and the charges against her (whether they be the charge she's "stupid" or corrupt) never appear to be true - along with the charge I'm a misogynist or hate religious people - I'd say, yeah, even Patton and Churchill would be proud to have her by their sides.

The handling of Fast and Furious and the embassy attacks are each worse scandals than Watergate.

Gotta disagree. Having defense contractors violate federal law and stating he will pay their fines WHEN they are sued (not if, since a suit would be inevitable) is the worst. It is open and explicit corruption.

They believe that because black people don't have the power to oppress others they can't be racist.

I'm not electing Romney to be the pope, just the president. He's human which means by nature he is fallible. The two major parties have a monopoly on the process, so next year the president will be Obama or Romney. For myself, when I look at facts and numbers, I choose Romney. And I will not give him a blank check, Bush lost my support for his pre-emptive war doctrine and his "compassionate" conservatism. If Romney fails to deliver results after four years I'll vote him out.

This current president is the very definition of a "tragic mulatto." This is not a man who had a typical black American experience. Because of his identity crisis he felt the need to join a black church and "blacken" himself up. He had no stable home life, and as a mother I do feel some empathy for that. I suppose that's a racist comment I just made, oh well.

R/V: Incorrect. Small sections of the speech were covered, the entire video was not aired. In addition, for the future, the talking point is that the segments were available in 2007, not 2008. Just, so you know, you can parrot the right (but not accurate) talking point.

Madison Man, I agree with what Matthew Sablan said at 9 am. Funny though, that you couldn't remember that, but I'm not surprised. You hear only what you want to hear. Remember only what you want to remember.

More damning is what it shows about how far the liberal press will actually go to prop up their Boy King

I went to Foxnews.com, cbsnews.com, cnn.com, and nbcnews.com. Exactly one site (guess which one) even showed it prominently. 2 of the other 3 didn't show it at all, and the one that did show it on the bottom right had the headline "Obama video: October surprise or old news?"

It's not even about propping up anymore. The media have completely gone to one side of the debate. How can we have a free country if the media are completely in the tank for one side?

"-- You're leaving out the part about Harry Reid and other Democrats specifically asking McCain to come back to DC (and not asking Obama, note), then, when he arrived, withdrawing from the meetings they had promised him and breaking off negotiations.

McCain was ill-served by believing that the other side had the country's best interests at heart and went back to D.C. to meet with them as they asked. They then stuck a knife in his back."

I'd forgotten. IIRC they voted down a bill he supported, that they implied they'd support, and left looking like a fool. Very humiliating.

MM, I hope you were being facetious about a 'bump' in the road. The media terrorized the public over that crash.

Big bowl of nothing to anyone who actually - oh, I don't know - did their homework before voting?

Wait - you fucking puss, are you actually claiming I haven't been on Obama's ass for more than his term? Boy, you must be, both, stupid and new around here. But - even worse - you don't even recognize I'VE BEEN ON ROMNEY JUST AS LONG. Your ignorant punk ass thinks all of this is new to me. Well it ain't - along with online ignorance, it's all old news.

The comment was directed at Althouse, you solipsistic dumbass.

The Chocolate Crackhead is s racist, resentful, thin-skinned asshole who couldn't run a hotdog stand.

Romney's rich, Obama is rich, the Kennedy's are rich, how many poor men were elected to high office in modern America? Who cares, it's actually a plus to me. Maybe Romney will forgo a salary and save the taxpayers some money.

I know you aren't trying to bring up Romney's religion as if it exempts him from becoming president. Oooh spooky Mormons!! There is a scary Mormon in the senate, Romney was a Gov. and he managed fine. He has a record and I am okay with it. The majority view regarding Obama's faith is that it is off limits, bringing it up brought charges of racism.

I only made that comment about Bush because you seem to think Romney voters are sheep. I'm not even a Republican so I don't know if your comments were directed towards me I only wanted to respond. I have no label for my political ideology, I simply say it's center right. I started out as voting for Anyone But Obama, but now I am pro-Romney.

What facts and numbers did you show me?, I missed them. I am talking about how he governed his state, I am talking about his personal success. I'm talking about this current president abusing his election win and D majority by pushing through his new healthcare tax that we don't need. Also his class warfare rhetoric and hostile nature towards people who share his economic class. Why do people pretend as if he and his wife were living in squalor vs. Romney the fat cat? My husband and I could not afford his old Chicago neighborhood, Martha's Vineyard, or private schools. The difference between the president and myself is that I don't begrudge someone their success and legally earned wealth.

Third parties, you and I both know they have no chance in 2012. I believe they need to start at the bottom and build a loyal base in order to be taken seriously. You are talking fantasy and hypothetical, the reality is my support for a third party for the top of the ticket will make no difference. You go ahead and use your private vote for what you choose so you can place yourself above us "sheep" who aren't as awake as you are. We choose to work within the system that is available.

I know you aren't trying to bring up Romney's religion as if it exempts him from becoming president.

If you can prove Joseph Smith found golden plates anywhere - after being repeatedly busted for that very scam - I'll say it's a religion. If you can't, it's a cult and, yes, I say we shouldn't allow their members to hold power.

Clear?

Oooh spooky Mormons!!

No, it's "Oooh goofy Mormons!!"

There is a scary Mormon in the senate,...

No, there's some pickled asshole there, who helped Mitt Romney's bogus supplement business by writing a dishonest law (DSHEA - look it up). He also helped steal the downtown Salt Lake land where the main Mormon temple is - is that honest or what? God, I LOVE people who steal,...

Romney was a Gov. and he managed fine.

His state is now an economic basket case.

He has a record and I am okay with it.

Yeah - he wrote ObamaCare.

The majority view regarding Obama's faith is that it is off limits, bringing it up brought charges of racism.

I never heard a word about Rev. Wright, Obama being a Muslim, or him repeating he's a Christian for the last four years, right?

I only made that comment about Bush because you seem to think Romney voters are sheep.

No, I think they're cowards, which is kinda like a sheep but not as tasty.

I'm not even a Republican so I don't know if your comments were directed towards me I only wanted to respond.

Yeah, it's fun isn't it?

I have no label for my political ideology, I simply say it's center right.

I'm a conservative Republican. I wish there were more.

I started out as voting for Anyone But Obama, but now I am pro-Romney.

You must find flip-flopping REALLY ATTRACTIVE.

What facts and numbers did you show me?, I missed them.

I didn't show any - you said YOU were consulting them.

I am talking about how he governed his state, I am talking about his personal success.

His state is broke and he's rich.

I'm talking about this current president abusing his election win and D majority by pushing through his new healthcare tax that we don't need.

All based on Romney's, so what's your point?

Also his class warfare rhetoric and hostile nature towards people who share his economic class.

FINALLY you say something that makes some sense. Thanks.

Why do people pretend as if he and his wife were living in squalor vs. Romney the fat cat?

For the same reason the Ann Romney claimed they lived on tuna and noodles - I'm sure you'll be railing about her dishonesty real soon, huh?

My husband and I could not afford his old Chicago neighborhood, Martha's Vineyard, or private schools.

I can't afford to even be talking to you.

The difference between the president and myself is that I don't begrudge someone their success and legally earned wealth.

The difference between the president and myself is HE'S GOT MY JOB!

Third parties, you and I both know they have no chance in 2012.

Did somebody bring up Third Parties?

I believe they need to start at the bottom and build a loyal base in order to be taken seriously.

I believe you're talking about something no one ever brought up.

You are talking fantasy and hypothetical, the reality is my support for a third party for the top of the ticket will make no difference.

I believe you're off in La-La-Land.

You go ahead and use your private vote for what you choose so you can place yourself above us "sheep" who aren't as awake as you are.

O-kay.

We choose to work within the system that is available.

Because lately - used as you do - it's been serving us sooooo well,...