It's funny but when I started writing this episode I thought I had a clear idea of what I was going to say and as you'll be able to tell as you listen I still don't have a grasp on the concept that some of my guests just seem to know innately.

Over the course of the 20 or so interviews I've done for this podcast I've noticed a few themes come up. One of them is the notion of a job vs what your work is.

In my recent interview with comedian Matt Ruby I mention how sometimes at my day job I have so many meetings that I can't do my work because my job gets in the way. (I said it reversed in the interview but the point comes accross). When I asked designer Stefan Sagmeister if he considered his design work his day job and the movie project side work he simply said no. He didnt distinguish between the two. Film maker and actor Tyler Nilson said in his interview "I don't feel like I have a job. I just get to hang out with my friends and make shit."

There's an interesting feeling I get when I talk to someone who has this mindset. I can't describe it but it's like my body is trying to make sense of the concept. I understand what that means but I can't wrap my head around it fully.

It's like their job is to create things or entertain people so every project they do is just their work. Whether Stefan Sagmeister is creating album art for a band or making his own film it's all his work. Tyler Nilson and his partners film commercials for others and for themselves make a short film that winds up awarded honours all across the film festival circuit. Neither differentiaites between the two types of work. Their job in life, the reason they 'are', is to create or entertain. The work just comes from that. Did that make sense? Like I said I'm still trying to really understand it.

So, if my job in life is to create and entertain then what I do from 9-5 is just a part of that. The other part of my work is when I'm not there and I'm creating my own books and songs. They aren't two different worlds they are all just a part of me.

Here's where you get to do some thinking

What are the purpose of the projects yiu are working on? Educate? Entertain? Bring people together? Make existing things better? Create new things?

Does what you do from 9-5 fit into the rest of your life and your personal projects?

If they are very differnt does that make you glad they are separate or is that a source of stress at all?

What small thing could you do today change that?

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