This position is initially a 10-month (February through November) position; salary is prorated for partial months of employment. Continuation of this position is contingent upon performance and availability of funding.

Go get er'!

P.s. Does this make it a less than "stopwatch holding/van driving position?" Do you just kinda stand off to the side and drool on yourself while the Head Distance Coach does his thing?

P.s.Does this make it a less than "stopwatch holding/van driving position?" Do you just kinda stand off to the side and drool on yourself while the Head Distance Coach does his thing?

I've been reading this thread and previous years threads for some time now. Here's my 2 cents:

First for young coaches, you need a lot more time to watch and learn than you think you do. See how the game is played. Watch training cycles. Observe inner office politics. Learn how to manage athletes. Don't rush things. Enjoy 'drooling on yourself' on the side. (I was a young, impatient coach way back when. I was in a hurry to move up the ranks. I should have listened more and spouted off less.)

Secondly, for you veteran coaches. Keep that young coach who holds your clipboard and fetches your coffee involved. Make them feel valued. Mentor them. Share with them. Listen to them and their point of view. Keep them in check and feeling valued as they 'drool on themselves'. We owe it to the sport. Mentoring is one of my favorite parts of the job. Pay it forward.

PDongregistered

RE: 2018 College Track & Field Open Coaching Positions Discussion1/21/2018 4:53PM - in reply to Which One?

P.s.Does this make it a less than "stopwatch holding/van driving position?" Do you just kinda stand off to the side and drool on yourself while the Head Distance Coach does his thing?

I've been reading this thread and previous years threads for some time now. Here's my 2 cents:

First for young coaches, you need a lot more time to watch and learn than you think you do. See how the game is played. Watch training cycles. Observe inner office politics. Learn how to manage athletes. Don't rush things. Enjoy 'drooling on yourself' on the side. (I was a young, impatient coach way back when. I was in a hurry to move up the ranks. I should have listened more and spouted off less.)

Secondly, for you veteran coaches. Keep that young coach who holds your clipboard and fetches your coffee involved. Make them feel valued. Mentor them. Share with them. Listen to them and their point of view. Keep them in check and feeling valued as they 'drool on themselves'. We owe it to the sport. Mentoring is one of my favorite parts of the job. Pay it forward.

Thank you for this comment, so true!

TheMidCoachregistered

RE: 2018 College Track & Field Open Coaching Positions Discussion1/22/2018 7:23AM - in reply to likeyournameGoldwait

P.s.Does this make it a less than "stopwatch holding/van driving position?" Do you just kinda stand off to the side and drool on yourself while the Head Distance Coach does his thing?

I've been reading this thread and previous years threads for some time now. Here's my 2 cents:

First for young coaches, you need a lot more time to watch and learn than you think you do. See how the game is played. Watch training cycles. Observe inner office politics. Learn how to manage athletes. Don't rush things. Enjoy 'drooling on yourself' on the side. (I was a young, impatient coach way back when. I was in a hurry to move up the ranks. I should have listened more and spouted off less.)

Secondly, for you veteran coaches. Keep that young coach who holds your clipboard and fetches your coffee involved. Make them feel valued. Mentor them. Share with them. Listen to them and their point of view. Keep them in check and feeling valued as they 'drool on themselves'. We owe it to the sport. Mentoring is one of my favorite parts of the job. Pay it forward.

Ya but also, the young coaches are doing years of volunteering or low pay. For a lot of us, that means years of financial struggle. As much as I enjoy being at practice, learning, and having a hand in this sport, it's hard. We have to keep telling ourselves it'll be worth it. It's hard not to rush when you live paycheck to paycheck and barely make enough to survive because you're working around a practice/comp schedule. But I totally agree. Especially with keeping the young coaches involved. I'm currently in a program where I wasn't kept involved, I wasn't updated with our recruits, our logistics, or our athletes and that killed my excitement pretty quickly. I wish there was a thread for these kinds of things. It would be a great way to be reminded that we're all going through it and just learn the thoughts of other young coaches

Young-ish coach

RE: 2018 College Track & Field Open Coaching Positions Discussion1/22/2018 8:00AM - in reply to TheMidCoach

P.s.Does this make it a less than "stopwatch holding/van driving position?" Do you just kinda stand off to the side and drool on yourself while the Head Distance Coach does his thing?

I've been reading this thread and previous years threads for some time now. Here's my 2 cents:

First for young coaches, you need a lot more time to watch and learn than you think you do. See how the game is played. Watch training cycles. Observe inner office politics. Learn how to manage athletes. Don't rush things. Enjoy 'drooling on yourself' on the side. (I was a young, impatient coach way back when. I was in a hurry to move up the ranks. I should have listened more and spouted off less.)

Secondly, for you veteran coaches. Keep that young coach who holds your clipboard and fetches your coffee involved. Make them feel valued. Mentor them. Share with them. Listen to them and their point of view. Keep them in check and feeling valued as they 'drool on themselves'. We owe it to the sport. Mentoring is one of my favorite parts of the job. Pay it forward.

Ya but also, the young coaches are doing years of volunteering or low pay. For a lot of us, that means years of financial struggle. As much as I enjoy being at practice, learning, and having a hand in this sport, it's hard. We have to keep telling ourselves it'll be worth it. It's hard not to rush when you live paycheck to paycheck and barely make enough to survive because you're working around a practice/comp schedule. But I totally agree. Especially with keeping the young coaches involved. I'm currently in a program where I wasn't kept involved, I wasn't updated with our recruits, our logistics, or our athletes and that killed my excitement pretty quickly. I wish there was a thread for these kinds of things. It would be a great way to be reminded that we're all going through it and just learn the thoughts of other young coaches

If you’re not being Involved, then you’re not gonna get anything from your time there. Now, if you’re showing you want to be involved and asking to take on responsibilities within the realm of which you’ll be able to without causing any potential violations then you should be allowed to do said things. Either they don’t trust you’re ready for that or they doing wanna go through the “trouble” of mentoring you which again would not be a good situation. Speak to the coach and ask him his thoughts on how you can become more involved and what can you do to gain his/her trust. If that doesn’t work unfortunately you’ll need to start over somewhere else.

In theory, You should be treated like a countable coach just without the pay and perks. Also, you can’t actively recruit but you can help with recruiting which I would think any coach would like to have and encourage.

I've been that young coach working 2-3 part time gigs around volunteer coaching to get my foot in the door. I thought I was smarter than most and let myself get involved in the oneupsmanship, talking behind other coaches' backs kind of thing. Conversely, I know a Big 10 Head coach who did it right. He was an assistant to a pretty good mid major coach while working midnights in a factory to support his family. He then moved up to assistant in the B1G and assistant in an SEC powerhouse. Along the way, he treated everyone with respect and courtesy and worked his ass off to get where he is now. Yet, I still see and hear people badmouthing him from time to time. That tells me a lot about their character and emotional intelligence as well as about my own lack of both items back in the day.

My point is that it's extremely hard to get into the business and can be far less than financially lucrative. Be ready for that and also some people to not treat you right. Even if you do the right thing, you might still get the short end of the stick so it pays to have a plan B outside of coaching. That's where I stubbed my toe as well. No plan B and lots of succeeding stress on a marriage.

I greatly appreciate most of my collegiate coaching stints, but realize that I often shot myself in the foot while simultaneously blaming others for those short comings. Perhaps another shot will come, but I do enjoy mentoring people whose goal it is to be become a collegiate coach. Good luck to anyone in this pursuit. Do it for the right reasons and you'll be able to sleep at night knowing you're a difference maker.

From Minot press release about his year at Eastbay:
During his year at Cal State East Bay, Del Monaco coached an NCAA provisional qualifier and a USTFCCCA all-region honoree. His coaching led to the first all-conference cross country honoree in school history and he also helped coach the Pioneers to their highest finish at the conference outdoor track championships in school history.

Do they not know that is is actually very easy to verify their fake news? They had the freshman runner of the year and All conference runner, about 5 years ago In sarah Perrin, and other all conference runners as well, way before he got their. Guess each new school likes to inflate and justify their new hires.

I've been that young coach working 2-3 part time gigs around volunteer coaching to get my foot in the door. I thought I was smarter than most and let myself get involved in the oneupsmanship, talking behind other coaches' backs kind of thing. Conversely, I know a Big 10 Head coach who did it right. He was an assistant to a pretty good mid major coach while working midnights in a factory to support his family. He then moved up to assistant in the B1G and assistant in an SEC powerhouse. Along the way, he treated everyone with respect and courtesy and worked his ass off to get where he is now. Yet, I still see and hear people badmouthing him from time to time. That tells me a lot about their character and emotional intelligence as well as about my own lack of both items back in the day.

My point is that it's extremely hard to get into the business and can be far less than financially lucrative. Be ready for that and also some people to not treat you right. Even if you do the right thing, you might still get the short end of the stick so it pays to have a plan B outside of coaching. That's where I stubbed my toe as well. No plan B and lots of succeeding stress on a marriage.

I greatly appreciate most of my collegiate coaching stints, but realize that I often shot myself in the foot while simultaneously blaming others for those short comings. Perhaps another shot will come, but I do enjoy mentoring people whose goal it is to be become a collegiate coach. Good luck to anyone in this pursuit. Do it for the right reasons and you'll be able to sleep at night knowing you're a difference maker.

Unfortunately, this sport is inundated with sh-ttalking about others... and at all levels. A LOT of insecure people out there.