OK thanks. I was wondering if it had leaked today. I say Mr. Low Energy? If it was McCain I would think he would simply own up to it, right? What this
is showing is that there are some very large players in this chess match.

That’s absolutely dishonest. Who did Trump Jr and Manafort meet with for “dirt” then? Who was Manafort working for before during and after the
Campaign? Who was Flynn working for? Who did Sessions consult with?

The only true answer is Russian agents.

The fact you're bringing up Sessions shows how grossly uninformed you are.

A Senator met people from another country? Say it isn't so.

A Senator working with a Presidential Campaign that was then rewarded with becoming Attorney General?

I do say it is so.

You know really, your snide remarks do nothing for your arguments. You're just not very good at it. You may not agree with my conclusions here, but
to suggest that I'm not aware of the facts, that I have cited direct and primary sources for my contentions just makes you look petty if not stupid.

You seem intelligent ... you can argue with logic and facts ... being an ass while doing so is the advanced course.

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
One of the ironies in all of this is that some time back, Glenn Simpson wrote a book about opposition research and its role in politics:

Twenty-one years ago, a Wall Street Journal reporter and a popular academic pundit issued a stark warning: The proliferation of opposition
research in U.S. political campaigns was debasing American elections.

The alarm came in the form of a 339-page book, “Dirty Little Secrets: The Persistence of Corruption in American Politics.” The journalist was
Glenn R. Simpson, a respected investigative reporter; the professor was University of Virginia political scientist Larry J. Sabato. Their book
detailed the “dirty tricks” that, in the two decades since, have put America’s two major political parties at each other’s throats and led to
widespread disillusionment among voters.

Railing against “sleaze” in campaigns, political consultancies, and Washington journalism, the authors deplored opposition research as a
“gateway to acts that are not just offensive but duplicitous and sometimes illegal.” The proliferation of mud-slinging, they wrote, had turned
campaigns once fought over real issues into a “debate over irrelevancies” -- and led to blackmail and other crimes.

originally posted by: matafuchs
Who is the GOP candidate who originally called for this research? Has that been released yet?

This is all that's known:

The story began in September 2015, when a wealthy Republican donor who strongly opposed Mr. Trump put up the money to hire a Washington research
firm run by former journalists, Fusion GPS, to compile a dossier about the real estate magnate’s past scandals and weaknesses, according to a person
familiar with the effort. The person described the opposition research work on condition of anonymity, citing the volatile nature of the story and the
likelihood of future legal disputes. The identity of the donor is unclear.

The meeting with Donny Jr. is press fodder. There's no crime there. There might be an ethical question, but in this context, that's a joke.

Bob Mueller is no one's fool. He has had a staff of highly qualified attorneys working for months. Now I know that the media tells us that we
haven't seen anything from that so there's nothing there ... but come on. They aren't looking at Donny Jr., unless he's done something behind the
scenes. They are looking at Manafort and Kushner and probably (guessing here) tie backs to the Trump Organization corporate.

What law did the Democrats/Clinton Campaign break then in your analysis?

That’s absolutely dishonest. Who did Trump Jr and Manafort meet with for “dirt” then? Who was Manafort working for before during and after the
Campaign? Who was Flynn working for? Who did Sessions consult with?

The only true answer is Russian agents.

The fact you're bringing up Sessions shows how grossly uninformed you are.

A Senator met people from another country? Say it isn't so.

A Senator working with a Presidential Campaign that was then rewarded with becoming Attorney General?

I do say it is so.

You know really, your snide remarks do nothing for your arguments. You're just not very good at it. You may not agree with my conclusions here, but
to suggest that I'm not aware of the facts, that I have cited direct and primary sources for my contentions just makes you look petty if not stupid.

You seem intelligent ... you can argue with logic and facts ... being an ass while doing so is the advanced course.

Yeah except there was nothing unusual about his meetings with Russians and everyone in the Senate hearing knew that. In fact, literally everyone in
the room was aware when he said "I didn't meet Russians" he didn't literally mean he had NEVER been face to face with a Russian, because they had been
in meetings with Russians with him. None of them found that answer unusual at the time, because they knew what he meant. They just chose to politicize
it after the fact once they realized the way it would look as a soundbite and they could take advantage of it. It was extremely dishonest, since we
know for a fact they knew he'd met Russians before, as had all of them, as part of their job. That's the kind of crap you're falling for and bringing
up here. Jesus Christ, one of the big "gotcha" points was that Sessions had once been in the same building as the Russian ambassador, at a huge event
that there were thousands of people at.

Get real man. Do you still believe he's a racist too? I've got some beachfront property to sell you if you're interested.

originally posted by: burntheships
So breaking news that The Clinton Campaign Is directly behind the Russian Dossier!

Directly?
FIRST it was commissioned by a Republican Presidential Contender.
Up until April (Coincidentally when Cruz dropped out)
It was then shopped around and picked up by the DNC and Hillary Campaign.
The DNC/Hillary never used it and it isn't clear if the actual Dossier ever made it to Hillary's campaign.

Open questions are:
1) Who was the Republican that commissioned the report?
2) Did it get handed off from the DNC attorney to the DNC/HRC Campaign
3) If so, why was it not used?

If there was nothing unusual why did they pressure him to recuse himself? Why did he recuse himself at the expense of drawing President Trump's ire?
Your presentation doesn't add up to explain all the facts.

You're spouting knowledge you don't have. You don't know what each individual Senator though about Jeff Sessions.

Get real yourself "man" ... I look forward to something worthy of the intellect I think you have, not this tripe.

Back on topic, since Sessions "colluding" with Russia is decidedly off-topic in that it's a baseless fairy tale, my favorite part of this
debacle so far has been the DNC response:

"Tom Perez and the new leadership of the DNC were not involved in any decision-making regarding Fusion GPS, nor were they aware that Perkins
Coie was working with the organization," DNC Communications Director Xochitl Hinojosa said in a statement provided to CBS News.

Yeah, none of the new leadership was involved, because the leadership that was in place at the time was forced to resign for being corrupt. Great
point DNC. Great point.

They have been attempting (through anecdotal and unsubstantial evidence) to overthrow the lawful President of the United States. At a bare minimum,
this should be prosecuted as treason and sedition and collusion with a foreign power.

But, after the hysterical, overly emotional hissy fits you all threw for the last 1+ year, we won't be satisfied until all responsible are thoroughly
discredited/tarred and feathered

Can you see how the grandiose claims made by the left over the last year have been absolutely hysterical and frankly insane? DemUnderground, for
example, was throwing the words treason/sedition/collusion around on a daily basis until it came out that Mueller was investigating the Podesta Group.
It has now become a cricket-fest over there, but their silly posts will remain for all to see.

I should know, I ""joined"" that site almost two years ago.

edit on 10/25/2017 by JBurns because: Because "joined" sounds better than
"infiltrated"

originally posted by: matafuchs
Who is the GOP candidate who originally called for this research? Has that been released yet?

The way this rolled:

A) Senate Investigative Committee asked Fusion GPS to tell them who their client was when they contracted Steele.
B) Fusion GPS refused to give up their client
C) Senate investigative committee threatened (or did-not sure) to subpoena Fusion GPS's bank records.
D) Lawyer for DNC/HRC Campaign sent a letter releasing Fusion GPS from their client confidentiality agreement, freeing them to disclose that they were
one of the clients that paid for the work.

Open questions:
Who was the original GOP bankroller of the dossier before it was shopped around.
Will the Senate Committee continue to pursue THAT question?
Did the report ever make it to DNC HQ or HRC Campaign?
If so, then what was the decision process not to use it?

Grab the popcorn. The next couple of weeks should be pretty interesting.

These revelations could be the ace in the hole our new order needs to cement itself in power, for many generations to come.

That's an interesting vague but grandiose statement there friend. If you care to tie it back to our discussion, I'll be glad to respond, as it is ...

Parscale and Cohen were both scheduled to testify earlier this summer to the Senate Committee in private.
Both were cancelled without explanation by the committee, which means that Mueller was still digging deep and wanted to be able to vet their
statements against what he knew already.

Both are now scheduled to testify, I believe this week.

When Manafort testified, his house got raided by the FBI the next morning.

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