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Re: HxH MadHouse Anime Discussion! (Use Spoilers for safety...)

Joking aside, I think it's pretty bogus we literally have no idea who Gon's mother is at this point.

The artifact in question is S class and it's pretty clear S or higher artifacts are well beyond the ability to recreate with aura by any particular individual. Note that the rejuenvation pills (S-10) are also S class and if you can create that on your own you'd never die from old age, which is a completely ridiculous power. Even if you're limited to one shot of 100, that's still way beyond the power of HXH characters seeing Netero at around 120 years old is basically impossibly old, and unlike his case, with these pills you'd have something like 120-130 (assuming people in HXH peak around 20-50) years of your prime if you took them at the right time.

In fact I don't think any of the artifacts are even supposed to usable in the game itself unless you're using it for game playing purposes. Otherwise anyone older than about 20 should immediately take the pills whenever they have more than 1 copy of the said card. Even if this card is limited to once per party (like the Alexandite), 100 years is a lot of time to buy the random cards and hope one of them magically becomes the pills again.

Re: HxH MadHouse Anime Discussion! (Use Spoilers for safety...)

Joking aside, I think it's pretty bogus we literally have no idea who Gon's mother is at this point.

The artifact in question is S class and it's pretty clear S or higher artifacts are well beyond the ability to recreate with aura by any particular individual. Note that the rejuenvation pills (S-10) are also S class and if you can create that on your own you'd never die from old age, which is a completely ridiculous power. Even if you're limited to one shot of 100, that's still way beyond the power of HXH characters seeing Netero at around 120 years old is basically impossibly old, and unlike his case, with these pills you'd have something like 120-130 (assuming people in HXH peak around 20-50) years of your prime if you took them at the right time.

In fact I don't think any of the artifacts are even supposed to usable in the game itself unless you're using it for game playing purposes. Otherwise anyone older than about 20 should immediately take the pills whenever they have more than 1 copy of the said card. Even if this card is limited to once per party (like the Alexandite), 100 years is a lot of time to buy the random cards and hope one of them magically becomes the pills again.

I think there's more conditions and restrictions that go along besides having the card limit and what you just said, which is just speculation from my part. When I first read this I thought to myself that most of these cards are seriously hacks, so why isn't anyone taking advantage of these? Plus you have people in the game that are willing to kill others just to have these cards, so risking your life to get the pills wouldn't be worthwhile unless you're Genthru, or a person of similar caliber that has the capability of protecting him/herself from harms way. I'm assuming it's more psychological, but everyone's goal (excluding gon and others) was getting the prize money along with the completion of GI.

Re: HxH MadHouse Anime Discussion! (Use Spoilers for safety...)

Originally Posted by ContractHunterMEMO

I think there's more conditions and restrictions that go along besides having the card limit and what you just said, which is just speculation from my part. When I first read this I thought to myself that most of these cards are seriously hacks, so why isn't anyone taking advantage of these? Plus you have people in the game that are willing to kill others just to have these cards, so risking your life to get the pills wouldn't be worthwhile unless you're Genthru, or a person of similar caliber that has the capability of protecting him/herself from harms way. I'm assuming it's more psychological, but everyone's goal (excluding gon and others) was getting the prize money along with the completion of GI.

Most of the item is limited by the fact that you can't bring them out of GI. For example the Blue Planet jewel Biscuit was looking for, she could GAIN it while inside GI, but then the only way to keep it is if she never leaves GI because she can't bring it back to the 'real world'. Therefore, although she could get Blue Planet inside GI, it doesn't do her any good so far as collecting it goes because she doesn't plan on spending the rest of her life in GI. Even an item like Golden Dust girl, which seems like a no brainer to make money, you can't take the gold outside of the game, and gold is useless inside GI so that works out.

Obviously quite a few items exist for gameplay purposes (Gon's necklace, for example), and those clearly should be usable in game.

But the item that really breaks this is the rejuenvation pills. Let's say your prime is 25 years old. It says reversing your age does not remove your knowledge. So if Netero is 125 and he took 100 of those, he'd be back to 25 and still retain all his awesome moves in his prime body. There is literally no drawback to consuming these pills to reduce your age to your prime age as soon as possible. The pills are S-10 and we don't know how many parties have it but it's at least 2 (it's not one of the bottleneck cards). Also all artifacts can be randomly obtained by using the 'random' card, even SS ones (though with very low chance, and Risky Dice cannot give you enough luck to get S or higher class artifacts). In fact, Biscuit was tempted to select the pills as one of the reward but this is incredibly dumb. They can simply duplicate that card the same way Archangel is duplicated (have a guy with only the said card in his book, have another guy cast Duplicate), and immediately consume however many pills she thinks is right. Yes she can't take the rest of them to the real world but I'm guessing she'll probably take at least 40 of those and you get 40 years of life back!

Of course in light of that Netero should've spend the next month taking all the Zodiac and whoever else he can round up to play Greed Island to get those pills. That'd certainly increase his chance of defeating Meryem far more than any possible action (he said he only has 50% of his prime's power). Heck, it's possible Gon might even already know how to get those pills (he got a lot of those cards), and if not it's almost certain Tsezguerra knows (he has the card). Yes I know people will be reluctant to share these secrets but if you're ordered by the chairman of Hunter's Association who needs it to save the world from an extinction level event, I'm sure Tsezguerra will be willing to offer the knowledge.

Re: HxH MadHouse Anime Discussion! (Use Spoilers for safety...)

They can simply duplicate that card the same way Archangel is duplicated (have a guy with only the said card in his book, have another guy cast Duplicate), and immediately consume however many pills she thinks is right. Yes she can't take the rest of them to the real world but I'm guessing she'll probably take at least 40 of those and you get 40 years of life back!

I think the big thing here is that Biscuit can do that whenever she wants, and she doesn't feel like her age is limiting herself currently. OTOH, she wants the blue planet now.

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Yes I know people will be reluctant to share these secrets but if you're ordered by the chairman of Hunter's Association who needs it to save the world from an extinction level event, I'm sure Tsezguerra will be willing to offer the knowledge.

Which is dumb, because:
1. it's not a extinction level event
2. Netero might not wish to get younger
3. Why the heck would Gon or Killua find a way to tell Netero those pills exists? They have no clue that they would be, in any way, needed, and Netero doesn't even know they exists.
4. Again, the hunting expedition was a low-budget effort, and Netero's actual power is pretty much nil except in some very specific cases when it comes to ordering hunters. The Hunter association didn't take the the Chimera Ant as a real threat, and they probably weren't completely wrong there.

Re: HxH MadHouse Anime Discussion! (Use Spoilers for safety...)

I think the big thing here is that Biscuit can do that whenever she wants, and she doesn't feel like her age is limiting herself currently. OTOH, she wants the blue planet now.

Which is dumb, because:
1. it's not a extinction level event
2. Netero might not wish to get younger
3. Why the heck would Gon or Killua find a way to tell Netero those pills exists? They have no clue that they would be, in any way, needed, and Netero doesn't even know they exists.
4. Again, the hunting expedition was a low-budget effort, and Netero's actual power is pretty much nil except in some very specific cases when it comes to ordering hunters. The Hunter association didn't take the the Chimera Ant as a real threat, and they probably weren't completely wrong there.

Or you can just take the pills while inside the game and take the Blue Planet as a reward.

I'm not sure where people get the idea it's not an extinction level event but we'll just have a guy carry a weapon banned for its destruction/terror potential just in case. Clearly any low-budget effort can also afford to buy a Rose on the side, a weapon capable of killing hundreds of thousands of people in one blast. I guess it could be the point is that the Rose is so widely available anyone and their brother can get their hands on it though the question then becomes how come humanity haven't become extinct yet. How does anyone even survive in a high-budget war at all? In what world are you supposed to underestimate your opponent but strap on a nuclear device just in case you lose?

The hunt for Beyond Netero is presumably a 'high-budget' operation as it involves all of the Zodiac. Does that mean everyone in the Zodiac straps on a Rose 'just in case'? I mean if you could afford to get a Rose for a 'low-budget' operation surely you can get them for 'high-budget' operation, especially if it takes place in the Outside World where obviously no native of the existing HXH world lives at. It seems like people treat the Rose as the equivalent of a suicide bomber. A suicide bomber doesn't kill hundreds of thousands of people in HXH (or real life, for that matter). You talk about political red tape and internal politics all that but apparently nobody thought what are the repercussions if the chairman of the Hunter's Association detonated a nuclear weapon? Pressure from the Pariston faction? How about the Hunter's Association being outright dissolved? It's basically a crime against humanity even for a terrorist group to use that (which is why this weapon was banned) let alone a well-identifiable party that clearly can be sacrificed by major nations if needed.

Re: HxH MadHouse Anime Discussion! (Use Spoilers for safety...)

Or you can just take the pills while inside the game and take the Blue Planet as a reward.

She doesn't need it right now though, and she can go back in the game whenever she wants, really. No need to rush.

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The hunt for Beyond Netero is presumably a 'high-budget' operation as it involves all of the Zodiac. Does that mean everyone in the Zodiac straps on a Rose 'just in case'? I mean if you could afford to get a Rose for a 'low-budget' operation surely you can get them for 'high-budget' operation, especially if it takes place in the Outside World where obviously no native of the existing HXH world lives at. It seems like people treat the Rose as the equivalent of a suicide bomber. A suicide bomber doesn't kill hundreds of thousands of people in HXH (or real life, for that matter). You talk about political red tape and internal politics all that but apparently nobody thought what are the repercussions if the chairman of the Hunter's Association detonated a nuclear weapon? Pressure from the Pariston faction? How about the Hunter's Association being outright dissolved? It's basically a crime against humanity even for a terrorist group to use that (which is why this weapon was banned) let alone a well-identifiable party that clearly can be sacrificed by major nations if needed.

It's exactly why it was OK to use it- it's a association that is neutral and belong to all nations, and they gave Netero the ok to do whatever he thought was necessary. Ig he had to use the rose in the Palace, the head of the hunter organization being the one to kill himself "excuse" that fact, as it's basically a show that the hunter organization doesn't take its suicide bombers as disposable tools.

The problem with Beyond Netero, though, is that he isn't in backwater dictatorial country, and politically using a WMD is very different there. Also, It's a political targetting on Beyond Netero, not a "got to suppress those other-species" attacks. Rules are different when it's "others".

Re: HxH MadHouse Anime Discussion! (Use Spoilers for safety...)

Most of the item is limited by the fact that you can't bring them out of GI. For example the Blue Planet jewel Biscuit was looking for, she could GAIN it while inside GI, but then the only way to keep it is if she never leaves GI because she can't bring it back to the 'real world'. Therefore, although she could get Blue Planet inside GI, it doesn't do her any good so far as collecting it goes because she doesn't plan on spending the rest of her life in GI. Even an item like Golden Dust girl, which seems like a no brainer to make money, you can't take the gold outside of the game, and gold is useless inside GI so that works out.

What are you talking about? After completing the game, you can bring any Numbered Item outside; and Bisque did bring the Blue Planet!

As of why didn't anyone take use of those epic GI artifacts even in the threat of Chimera Ants... I've always been wondering about that; or about why wasn't Gon saved with the help of Archangel's Death... Maybe, GI is a one-shot game - dunno how to call it more clearly - that is, a game that has only one winner and after that is closed for good...? Everyone would think that they might return here later, but actually after Gon&co. cleared the game, GI was destroyed? There were no hints to that tho, that's just a guess.