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Re: The Former Player Thread

I'm not sure he would be our 3rd string center. I've never backed down from defending Ian, because I see Ian for what his role is, i.e. defense and rebounding, and really don't care what he does offensively, but if we assume that Plumlee will continue to have a similiar impact defensively, I think Miles would be a better option.

His defense was really really good. I kept wondering why they didn't try him on LA, because there for a while he was just turning and shooting over Morris. Probably because Morris would have to guard Robin Lopez, but IMHO I'd rather him beat you than LA.

Assuming his defense stays somewhat consistent, he's already filling the role that Ian does. I think his ability to not only catch the ball, but catch a lob pass and either dunk it or control it and come back down and gather himself before going back up starts moving him in front of what Ian is capable of doing.

If I jumping the gun on his defensive ability, so be it, but I don't think that type of thing just comes and goes like the offensive end. There were still areas of improvement, no doubt, but it's pretty encouraging to see someone have such a large impact on their very first given opportunity.

He might have started out as 3rd string, and maybe stayed there the entire year, but it's not as easily accepted IMHO, than what it was two days ago.

It's not that I disagree with what you said. If Miles keeps this up then he could certainly leapfrog Ian in the rotation. I'm just not sure that he would get the chance to play if he was here. We really didn't seem willing to give him a chance last year. Then again, you never know.

Miles is in a good situation for him right now and I'm glad about that. We're in a very good situation as a team as well so overall I'm happy

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Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

Re: The Former Player Thread

It's not that I disagree with what you said. If Miles keeps this up then he could certainly leapfrog Ian in the rotation. I'm just not sure that he would get the chance to play if he was here. We really didn't seem willing to give him a chance last year. Then again, you never know.

Miles is in a good situation for him right now and I'm glad about that. We're in a very good situation as a team as well so overall I'm happy

He didn't get time last year simply because he wasn't ready, when he did get time you could tell he wasn't. If he was ready to get time this year I have no doubt he would get it.

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Well, at least now I don't feel so nuts for seeing potential in the guy. Good for him.

Absolutely agree with this.. People like to look at things in hindsight.
Miles was never going to get PT here in Indiana, I'm so happy he's doing well!
He's has put in massive work.. But Ian gives us what we need, a defensive Center whose
A freak of an athlete. I don't know you about you guys, but he's been so damm impressive
on the defensive end.. He's gotten down the verticality rule to a TEE..
We don't need Ian to score, that's not what he's in there for.. He's there to protect the paint.
For all we know Miles would have never been this good in IND.. Just be happy for him and besides
he's going to look for a paycheck, money we don't have as we're trying to resign Lance.

Glad the trade worked out for both teams.. But we needed a big to stretch the floor as West takes a
Breather.. Scola has been a magnifent addiction for us.

If anything this solidifies the notion that Bird is an elite talent evaluator.
I won't be losing any sleep over Miles.. Trust Bird and he's guided this franchise in a
magnificent direction..

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Re: The Former Player Thread

Plumlee could always rebound and block shots, and is an awesome physical specimen. It's not that surprising to me that he's looking good. If he keeps up this level of play, he's gonna run away with the Most Improved Player award.

I'm far more impressed with Plumlee again, than Bledsoe. 13pts and 13rbs tonight. He's averaging 15.5pts and 14rbs on the season now! I think he'll keep it up, and prove all the doubters wrong. Dude is legit.

Plumlee may look clean cut but his play is dirty..I love it! And the fact that he is producing immediately gives Len time to heal his ankle and get use to the speed of the pro game. We have a pretty tough road trip coming up which should be a good test of the kids merit. I'm just hoping that his play so far doesnt turn out to be some type of abberation.

Miles Plumlee is why we are 2-0......who'd of thunk it :-? Your goal is to get great players. It doesn't matter if they are drafted or late bloomers, just take them anyway you can get them and it looks like we have gotten lucky already this year and some people want to throw it away. I am not thinking about players we don't have.

Re: The Former Player Thread

By the way, Perry Jones, III, the player most Pacers fans seemed to want at #25, has looked awful so far.

Yep. Perry Jones III had a number of red flags. He has talent but he was always a risky pick. Miles was much more safe and that's one of the reasons that we got so much flak for him. It turns out that all this criticism was probably unfair.

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Autonomy must return into the hands of the people.

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Re: The Former Player Thread

I'm not like pissed or anything that Bird let go of Plumlee in that Scola deal, but damn...thats the kind of guy that would be able to solidify us as a top rebounding team, and the type of guy you keep around for as long as you can afford him. 2 games, but he isn't showing any signs of slowing down. If anything Scola will show his true value in the playoffs when he makes the correct play in a pressure situation. But Plumlee is literally Foster 2.0

Re: The Former Player Thread

My goodness. Just because a player comes into his own in an altogether different role on a different team and in a different dynamic does not mean that he would have done that here. It is the oppurtunity game. And he did not have it here. He also didn't have the luxury to play center. Should we have shipped Hibbert? Should we have not signed West?

Don't look at this players in a vacuum. There are so many variables at play here. Just wait. Miles will be good. But that doesn't mean that this was a bad trade. It is a long season.

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Plumlee looks pretty good in a small sample size, but I feel like some people are acting like we gave up a young Dwight Howard.

He's in a better situation for him in Phoenix than he would've gotten here. They play in an uptempo system and can afford to give a lot of minutes to a young player on a rebuilding team, whereas we're looking to contend. However, was Plumlee going to help our bench scoring? Was he going to be a guy that when we sub West out, we lose only a half step?

Re: The Former Player Thread

Plumlee looks pretty good in a small sample size, but I feel like some people are acting like we gave up a young Dwight Howard.

He's in a better situation for him in Phoenix than he would've gotten here. They play in an uptempo system and can afford to give a lot of minutes to a young player on a rebuilding team, whereas we're looking to contend. However, was Plumlee going to help our bench scoring? Was he going to be a guy that when we sub West out, we lose only a half step?

People are saying he's like a Jeff Foster, but I disagree. I think a better comparison of his potential would be a cross of David Lee and Kenneth Faried with better defense. He may have been good in our system, but the Suns system is perfect for him. He needs to play in an uptempo system or develop a better post game.

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Re: The Former Player Thread

Gerald Green is alive and well in the desert. His second straight game with five or more threes on 50% or better shooting (21-point and 18-point efforts). Unfortunately, he still has more turnovers than assists on the season.

Shockingly, Brandon Rush's two foul, two turnover debut performance couldn't save Utah from a 16-point drubbing at the hands of the Nets, but it's good to see him back. He'll be good again, I promise.

Tyler Hansbrough played an efficient 15 minutes against the Heat, recording 8 points (6/7 FTs, 1/2 FGs) and 7 boards. D.J. Augustin had three turnovers...and that was the extent of his contribution on the night.

Re: The Former Player Thread

Gerald Green is alive and well in the desert. His second straight game with five or more threes on 50% or better shooting (21-point and 18-point efforts). Unfortunately, he still has more turnovers than assists on the season.

Shockingly, Brandon Rush's two foul, two turnover debut performance couldn't save Utah from a 16-point drubbing at the hands of the Nets, but it's good to see him back. He'll be good again, I promise.

Tyler Hansbrough played an efficient 15 minutes against the Heat, recording 8 points (6/7 FTs, 1/2 FGs) and 7 boards. D.J. Augustin had three turnovers...and that was the extent of his contribution on the night.

Tyler almost got in a fight with Anderson. I wonder what Tyler did to **** him off. It was like Anderson went out of his way to be offended by Tyler rebounding a shot with no one around. I want to see these two fight.