Have you looked into trying smaller doses (~3g) or a different type (like Magnesium Creatine Chelate)? I hate to be that guy but at 137lbs test boosters and other more "exotic" types of supplements are entirely unnecessary.

what do yall think about stacking animal pak with animal pump? or m stak

For a beginner that doesnt like creatine bloat, pump will be an awesome pre workout/creatine supplement. M stak is a little more advanced and will require manipulation of your diet to get the best results. If you use Mstak, eat way more than you think you should. Make many of those excess calories come from protein, as Mstak will aid protein synthesis.

Ive used Mstak standalone, Ive stacked it with many products, and am going to use it again for I believe the 6th time coming up here in about a week. Its an incredible product if you know how to use it correctly.

Ive also used animal pump, and it is a solid preworkout/creatine. I am a creatine "non responder", and the added goodies in pump on top of the creatine really helped me. If you hate creatine bloat, pump is a solid choice. I love the Animal products. They are expensive, but I truly believe most of them are worth it. Pak is also is also my multi of choice.

Start with the basics first man, get a decent pre workout and a creatine an high protein and carbs diet, get a good multi that's not pak, hit the weights smart find a program you respond to. Universal has some decent products but there's way better stuff out there

For a beginner that doesnt like creatine bloat, pump will be an awesome pre workout/creatine supplement. M stak is a little more advanced and will require manipulation of your diet to get the best results. If you use Mstak, eat way more than you think you should. Make many of those excess calories come from protein, as Mstak will aid protein synthesis.

Ive used Mstak standalone, Ive stacked it with many products, and am going to use it again for I believe the 6th time coming up here in about a week. Its an incredible product if you know how to use it correctly.

Ive also used animal pump, and it is a solid preworkout/creatine. I am a creatine "non responder", and the added goodies in pump on top of the creatine really helped me. If you hate creatine bloat, pump is a solid choice. I love the Animal products. They are expensive, but I truly believe most of them are worth it. Pak is also is also my multi of choice.

Hope this helps!

dont take this the wrong way but you sound like a rep. one that trolls around on forums looking for their product. again no offense if youre not

Keepin it around 40/35/25...
F*** supplements, be a d*** man and get that **** naturally ya dig?!!

Start with the basics first man, get a decent pre workout and a creatine an high protein and carbs diet, get a good multi that's not pak, hit the weights smart find a program you respond to. Universal has some decent products but there's way better stuff out there

my problem is finding the right one

Keepin it around 40/35/25...
F*** supplements, be a d*** man and get that **** naturally ya dig?!!

If you want to stick with the basics, a good monohydrate creatine (optimum, allmax, etc) and beta alanine (SNS, NOW) are good. Preworkout, I like C4 (has creatine nitrates and a fulldose of Beta alanine at 2 scoops) and I also like Nutrex Hemo-rage (Im kind of a stim junkie. lol)

Opti men multi good, Adam good, annavate all good multis. There's tons of pre workouts around now, I'm enjoying new shock therapy at the moment, assault is a great one for mass, a lot of people love ultima for mass as well man. Then there's the concentrated stuff, I love c4 because of the taste and creatine nitrate a lot of begginers will enjoy jack3d for their first pre. If pump is what you want hemoval is amazing stack with a creatine and aminos to help add a little. Muscle pharm creatine blend has been a must have in my cabinet but I'm enjoying storm at the moment a lot! Xtend or amino energy or recover pro are great aminos for recovery. DAA is great into to test boosters. Mass hgh or powerfull are good natty things to try for growth, but I'd focus more on the other stuff first!

Start with the basics first man, get a decent pre workout and a creatine an high protein and carbs diet, get a good multi that's not pak, hit the weights smart find a program you respond to. Universal has some decent products but there's way better stuff out there

lol and i wanted to try the A+ stack with activate xtreme and anabeta elite

Keepin it around 40/35/25...
F*** supplements, be a d*** man and get that **** naturally ya dig?!!

Hey if you have the money go for it I'm tryin that now but one been lifting for 6 years and didn't touch supps aside from protein powder till like 3 years ago started taking a pre workout now I use lots of different things but the best gains you will see are the first couple years of training so be smart and build muscle that won't fade away after you drop the sup because if your not on a good nutrition plan and taking that stuff then after a 4 or 8 week cycle you just pissed away a hundred bucks

True, but for best results you need an 8 week cycle so you'd have to get it twice man. It'll help don't get me wrong but when you start getting other things it adds up quick that's why I was sayin start with the basics