cptrios:DamnYankees: This kid must be scared beyond his mind right now. Not that we need to feel bad for him, but just from a sociological point of view, imagine how farked he must feel.

I know you're getting a ton of crap for this, but it's a completely valid thought...I get the feeling that this kid was in thrall to his older brother and is at best a reluctant participant. It doesn't mean we should feel sorry for him, but it means that it might be possible to take him alive and get to the bottom of all of this.

Let's hope so. Not because I want blood (them both being dead would suffice for that), but because I want answers. I want the WHY behind this.

BraveNewCheneyWorld:It was more than one or 2 people here claiming that they were domestic right wingers.

Oh come on, man. Half of Fark this last week was people saying "I bet they were teatards/sovereign citizens/jihadists/Columbine wannabes/schizo kids/OWS radicals." You don't need to argue or prove that lots of people were saying this stuff.

But what you don't seem to understand was that all of this was admitted speculation. None of these people were claiming to have inside information or 100% certainty, they were just trying to guess the outcome based on the MO.

It's strange to see someone get all huffy and offended when people speculate. I imagine you standing next to a roulette table, screaming "LOOK, IT WAS 17. ALL OF YOU IDIOTS WHO THOUGHT YOU KNEW WHAT NUMBER IT WOULD BE SHOULD GO FARK YOURSELVES AND BE ASHAMED OF YOUR LIES."

Joe Blowme:Fissile: Wait, I'm confused. Aren't Chechens some of the "good Muslims" that Murica aided and abetted in attacking the Russians? Didn't the US of Murica repeatedly condemn the Russians for dropping cluster bombs on these "good Muslims"? It appears that these Chechens made their way here from Turkey. Isn't Turkey a "good Muslim" country that is a solid friend to Murica, and, even more importantly, a good friend to Israel? Wasn't Bin Laden armed by Murica when he was killing Russians? Sure is funny how the "good Muslims" that the US encourages to attack the Russians always seem to end up turning on Murica.

Because they are like unicorns.... they dont exsist

They don't make the news. Why would they? They're just living their lives like the rest of us.

But don't let a little thing like logic and reason get in the way of rampant idiocy. What fun would that be?

Yeah waaay too fast, but do you think that's a terrible idea? I mean, there are thousands of ways to make explosive devices in America so it's a stupid drop in a proverbial bucket but still. I forget if you side with background checks for firearms or not.

- It's something organized, a terror cell with funding from overseas. This is the worst scenario, because it means we're strapping our boots back on for another Asian land war. But I think this is also the least likely scenario. This just doesn't seem professional enough for something like that.

- These two had horrific experiences from their childhoods that they've held onto for all these years, and now want the decadent West to feel their pain. More plausible.

- They're alienated youths with psychotic tendencies, and are holding a grudge again "normal" society. No political motive. Essentially, Borat going all Columbine. Definitely plausible, given that dude's pathetic Facebook post.

jrodr018:dumbobruni: dittybopper: Rwa2play: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Rwa2play: GoldSpider: WTF Indeed: What do you mean? The bombers are Caucasian.

True, and evidently they were able to acquire guns without a background check.

If true, wow the NRA's gonna see hell for that~! So will those 45 Senators that voted down the background checks (watered down as it was).

Yep, I said something like that way back on thread #1. If these guys used background check-less channels to get their weapons and ammo, the schadenfreude meter on the Senate is going to implode.

Ohhhhhhhh that's gonna be fun if that were true.

Massachusetts has strict gun laws. It's illegal to purchase a gun from a private person without a "background check" in the form of a FID card. In fact, it's illegal to *POSSESS* a gun without a FID.

There are only two possibilities: Either they possessed the guns legally, and had a Massachusetts FID showing that they passed a background check, or they possessed the guns illegally. It's as simple as that.

In other words, Massachusetts law is already much stricter that what was proposed and failed in the Senate the other day. If anyone tries to make political hay out of it, saying that's why we need universal background checks, it's likely to backfire.

/BTW, national concealed carry reciprocity garnered more "Yes" votes in the Senate (57) than the background check (54).

yukichigai:Bit'O'Gristle: Shoutingsilence: The more I think about the stranger the situation gets. Why would the two most wanted men in America rob a convenience store? Possibly to cause a distraction so the rest of their cell can escape? Ugh, my brain is too tired to think logically after watching this madness unfold.

/My guess would be (as to the reason for such idiocy) They were out of money, every law enforcement agency, federal agency, and redneck hunter was after their ass, and they felt trapped and desperate for cash and transport. They had close to 0 chance to get away, hence why they were wearing bomb vests. They won't be captured alive, and they know it. I'm sure that in most if not all police officers minds now, you see this surviving guy, you light him up, and keep shooting until he stops twitching. They wouldn't admit that publicly of course, but I would bet all the money in my pockets against all the money in your pockets that the local and state police are loaded for bear and spoiling for a fight.

You'd be wrong. The scanner has been filled with chatter from officers making sure every person on the ground has "less lethal" ammo if they have long guns.

Footchase on Willow Park near Dexter. That's in the search area. Black hoodie... not right but who knows.

/Wonders what "less lethal" ammo might be for a AR-15 or M-4 or shogun would be. And why, in this current situation, you would desire that in your weapon in this circumstance. Not like you're expecting officers to fire rubber bullets at a guy firing "lethal" rounds at you.

cptrios:DamnYankees: This kid must be scared beyond his mind right now. Not that we need to feel bad for him, but just from a sociological point of view, imagine how farked he must feel.

I know you're getting a ton of crap for this, but it's a completely valid thought...I get the feeling that this kid was in thrall to his older brother and is at best a reluctant participant. It doesn't mean we should feel sorry for him, but it means that it might be possible to take him alive and get to the bottom of all of this.

And what makes you think compassionate crap like that has any place in a Christian nation?

To The Escape Zeppelin!:DamnYankees: FarkinNortherner: While the death and injury toll has been terrible, incompetent terrorists really are my favourite sort.

These guys seem pretty competent. They did what they intended to do.

But what they intended to do was pretty stupid. There are tons of high value, poorly guarded targets in the US yet terrorists insist on trying to kill random people directly. Blow up a bridge, a dam, derail a train, sink a ferry. Unless they had some lasting vendetta against track and field events I don't understand what they hoped to accomplish.

Um, you are aware of the word terrorism and what it means, right? I think they accomplished precisely what they meant to.

Was watching the breaking news around 1-2AM CDT about the MIT shooting, then they broke in about the gas station robbery, and then the seeming-confinement of the pair was when I went to bed, thinking it was over but not necessarily 'convenient criminal coincidence' at the time.

And then I wake up and see that not only is i NOT over yet, but the suspects are brothers, Chechians, AND that all of the craziness really was related to them, being that they're the Marathon Bomber suspects...AND THE YOUNGER BROTHER RAN THE OLDER ONE OVER?!?!?

Add me to the WTF column. This is some strange shiate,

/holy farkballs, they just announced they've got the younger brother cornered//and someone else of interest in custody!