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<geekgirl>

When using LTSP with FAT clients. (edubuntu 14.04) the time indicator on the bar is not there on the clients. indicator-datetime is installed and I can see the option to put the time on the toolbar but it doesnt actually work. I have users complaining that the time is not displayed. Luckily that seems to be the only complaint they have so I must be doing something right if thats all they can dig up. ;)

15:05

<vagrantc>

anything in the user's ~/.xsession-errors showing why it might not be starting?

15:11

<geekgirl>

nothing about time indicator in there at all... Funny i tried to install in chroot and it said it was already installed. Maybe I need to purge it and redo because when I try to run that command from terminal on the client I get "not found"

15:13

<vagrantc>

is it in the chroot but not in the NBD image?

15:16

<geekgirl>

usually everything I install in chroot shows up on the image after the image update. so im confused. Am i missing something?

15:17

<alkisg>

geekgirl: what desktop environment are you using, unity or gnome-flashback?

And you're getting the bar on top? I think you're not supposed to get it at all...

15:20

14.04 uses upstart to initialize the xsession

15:20

<geekgirl>

It works quite well so far other than the time issue. I have it running in 2 libraries so far. putting it in 8 more. Yes I have a thin gray bar at the top.

15:21

<alkisg>

You do have the left sidebar? http://toastytech.com/guis/ubuntu114defaultunity.jpg

15:22

And do you have this file? /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/X11/Xsession.d/00upstart

15:22

<geekgirl>

Yes i have the left side bar. The bar at the top is there but it doesnt have anything on it. no time...no menu... I dont care about the menu (that would just confuse patrons) I was just looking for simple time fix.

xnox doesn't want to do that in 00upstart, so just for one '-z "$1"' condition, it breaks plain Xsession logins

16:44

<vagrantc>

alkisg: wow. that looks messy.

16:45

alkisg: is that triggered by spaces in session names or something?

16:45

<alkisg>

vagrantc: yes, unfortunately Ubuntu thinks that breaking Xsession is trendy, they say that they don't want to support passing an empty session (man Xsession allows it) even if it only costs them a -z check

16:45

vagrantc: no, the spacing part is another bug, we'll fix that too in the same commit though

16:46

<vagrantc>

ugh.

16:46

<alkisg>

Normally the session is determined at 50x11-common_determine-startup

16:46

Ubuntu wants to determine it at 00upstart

16:46

So we have to put a script before that

16:46

<vagrantc>

and this is only for 14.04 and earlier, yes?

16:47

<alkisg>

Only for 14.04... in 12.04 it was working, and 16.04 will have systemd :)

16:47

I haven't looked into the non-LTS versions

16:47

We can set $DESKTOP_SESSION, it doesn't cost us anything, LDM also sets that

16:47

But they say that we're not supposed to allow an empty (default) session

Can anyone think of a reason I would be able to pxe boot virtual clients but not physical clients?? When I try to boot with a physical client, server side syslog throws up "failed sending /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386/pxelinux.0 to client ip.

17:24

<alkisg>

Which tftp server?

17:24

<vagrantc>

alkisg: i also would prefer to have a separate non-upstream branch in which i merge new upstream versions independent of the debian dir

17:24

<dilophosaur>

dnsmasq

17:26

<alkisg>

dilophosaur: I've seen it fail with some bad PXE roms, while tftpd-hpa succeeded there

17:27

It was very rare, but you might want to try it

17:27

Does it work with ipxe on the real client?

17:27

!ipxe

17:27

<ltsp`>

ipxe: iPXE is the successor to the etherboot/gPXE project, and can be used to netboot clients that don't have a NIC ROM with a PXE stack. To add it to grub, see !grub-ipxe. To add it to the Windows boot loader, see !win32-loader. To download floppy, CD or USB images, visit http://ipxe.org or install the ipxe package.

17:27

<dilophosaur>

Interesting. I'll check that out.

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* vagrantc wonders if using git-remote-bzr to do the git merge and then pushing to bzr would work