Hitler's failure in the Battle of Britain led directly to his invasion of the Soviet Union a year later which spelled the beginning of the end for the Fuhrer. Some would say militarily, the Soviets were doing a pretty good job on their own after Stalingrad (although they probably would have trouble withstanding the initial onslaught without American support).

Some would say that militarily America did not so much save Europe in the Battle of Normandy (with British help of course) from Hitler as much as it saved it from Stalin.

Kidspatula,
Are you saying everything about _ing _ung is crap? OK, the lack of aliveness or full contact sparring in many _ing _ung schools speaks for itself. But it is not clear to me that one can dismiss all of _ing _ung as crap. For instance, some of the techniques can be useful.

Are we saying that the straight blast is utterly useless simply because it lacks power? What it lacks in power, it makes up for with speed. A straight blast may not knock the guy out but it can cause damage in several locations quickly. It can be especially useful if the guy you are fighting is expecting a cross and instead you surprised him with the straight blast followed by a cross or throw. I agree with AAAhmed46 in that it can be good if they updated a few things.

You are a spunky one. To say everything about a martial art sucks and that there are no redeeming values or any useful techniques in a martial art is a rather extreme position. I for one feel that a little wing chun can be a useful setup for other techniques whether muay thai or BJJ especially if your opponent is not expecting it. But anyway, that is just my view.

Don't get me wrong. I agree with you that muay thai is a better overall system. Kind of like a BBA with summer internships is better job preparation than a two year associate. But to say that a 2 year associate is useless is extreme.

Kidspatula,
Are you saying everything about _ing _ung is crap? OK, the lack of aliveness or full contact sparring in many _ing _ung schools speaks for itself. But it is not clear to me that one can dismiss all of _ing _ung as crap. For instance, some of the techniques can be useful.

Are we saying that the straight blast is utterly useless simply because it lacks power? What it lacks in power, it makes up for with speed. A straight blast may not knock the guy out but it can cause damage in several locations quickly. It can be especially useful if the guy you are fighting is expecting a cross and instead you surprised him with the straight blast followed by a cross or throw.

This is exactly the way a martial artist should be discussing the subject.
It is also my point exactly and i totally agree. :zicon_ram