How Banner said it would be, in his words

Monday-after news, notes and views, on not much of a Monday after. You will be interested to see how Joe Banner said it would be, and compare that to post-Pittsburgh reality.

Steve Doerschuk

• Yesterday's game was going to be a defining moment one way or the other.Assuming you saw as much of it as you could stand, suffice it to say the definition that emerged is not printable.

Happy Monday. Happy sharp-stick-in-the-eye.• Joe Banner after a win over Cincinnati in 2012:"This is not something that gets transformed in a couple of minutes. Jimmy's leading a very long term vision of what he wants the franchise to be, so we're not going to do a number of things to just kind of fill in the moment. "We're going to lay the foundation for things that are going to get put in place, done right and then last a long time.""I think fairly quickly people are going to see progress. "I don't think it should take very long before you're all sitting here, and the fans watching the team are sitting there going, 'You know what? These guys know what they're doing. We're on the right track. We can start to enjoy this. We're going to end up in a really good place.' "I think you'll start to feel that reasonably quickly. I think you'll feel like there's a plan, this is well run, these guys know what they're doing, their priorities are exactly what they said they were."

Does that speak for itself?• Nose tackle Phil Taylor was ticked after last night's game. I don't know whether it was because the game was pitiful or because his role in it was so light.As he pulled on a black Cleveland Indians ball cap last night, he said, "I'm not taking no questions."The Browns opened the game with defensive ends Ahtyba Rubin and Desmond Bryant on the field, but no nose tackle.Fifteen Browns were listed on the defensive tackle sheet. Taylor wasn't one of them.Something odd is going on here, and it ties into what was not a good day for the defense. • If you watched Julian Edelman run around at QB for Kent State, you could see some magic. Why didn't Tom Heckert?Granted, Edelman has Tom Brady throwing to him, but some of what he did against Denver last night (nine catches, 110 yards, two TDs) is a lot of what the Browns need.• Put yourself in Brandon Weeden's shoes. Would you be taking your shoes off?• Bernie Kosar is 50 today, with shoes unfilled for more than 20 years.• The chances of someone other than Weeden starting against Jacksonville are equal to the chances of Greg Little being the Cleveland Indians' opening-day pitcher.Jason Campbell's head and ribs are in no shape to be in rough play on a cold day.• The Jacksonville game in 2009 saved Eric Mangini's job. His Browns won it in a season finale to complete an 0-4 finish ion a 5-11 year.The Jacksonville game in 2010 cemented Mangini's demise. Colt McCoy kept playing on a high ankle sprain and a nice lead was lost. A 24-20 defeat sank the Browns to 3-7.A week later, behind Jake Delhomme, they beat Carolina to improve to 4-7 (same as the current record), but it was too late.• The Browns are in a 1-5 skid and are a 7-point favorite to beat a team that has won two of its last three games. Oddsmaking is inherently odd?• • •