: It seems to me that [[:Category:Saints]] would be fine, but we might also make a [[:Category:Angels]] for the articles for the types of angels.

: It seems to me that [[:Category:Saints]] would be fine, but we might also make a [[:Category:Angels]] for the articles for the types of angels.

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: I'm wondering, though, if the various sorts of angels shouldn't all just be included in this one article, with redirects from the various names of angels pointing here. Is there a substantial amount of material for each sort such that it couldn't be included in [[Angels]]? &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|{{User:ASDamick/sig}}]] 19:31, 9 Aug 2005 (EDT)

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: I'm wondering, though, if the various sorts of angels shouldn't all just be included in this one article, with redirects from the various names of angels pointing here. Is there a substantial amount of material for each sort such that it couldn't be included in [[Angels]]? &mdash;[[User:ASDamick|<font color="blue"><b><i>Dcn. Andrew</i></b></font>]] <sup>[[User_talk:ASDamick|<font color="red">talk</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Randompage|<font color="blue">random</font>]]</sup> <sup>[[Special:Contributions/ASDamick|<font color="black">contribs</font>]]</sup> 19:31, 9 Aug 2005 (EDT)

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I knew also about the fourth dimension, the fourth element (ancients called it "fire", so it's not the latest in scientific discovery), and the many-many dimensions that string-theory attributes to our Universe, the Dirac matrixes and all that (that's what Discovery Channel's for, after all) ... I just wanted to make a paralel : i.e., just like the image of the family (father, mother, son), or that of the sun (disc, light, heat) are used by the very same apophatical Fathers for the Trinity (without harming the Mistery of the Holy Trinity -- "Eu nu ucid corola de minuni a lumii", to quote my namesake). [P.S. : if anyone doesn't like my comparisson he's got my "blessing" to simply delete it at will]. And there's a fifth element also, namely the state of agregation into which atoms enter when they are at a temperature around 0K (-273.15 centigrade).

I knew also about the fourth dimension, the fourth element (ancients called it "fire", so it's not the latest in scientific discovery), and the many-many dimensions that string-theory attributes to our Universe, the Dirac matrixes and all that (that's what Discovery Channel's for, after all) ... I just wanted to make a paralel : i.e., just like the image of the family (father, mother, son), or that of the sun (disc, light, heat) are used by the very same apophatical Fathers for the Trinity (without harming the Mistery of the Holy Trinity -- "Eu nu ucid corola de minuni a lumii", to quote my namesake). [P.S. : if anyone doesn't like my comparisson he's got my "blessing" to simply delete it at will]. And there's a fifth element also, namely the state of agregation into which atoms enter when they are at a temperature around 0K (-273.15 centigrade).

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Oh, I don't have a problem with the metaphor at all. I think it's quite a nice comparison. I just was afraid that it would be taken too literally. Do you think I went overboard on the science stuff? I think I'll tone it down a bit.

Oh, I don't have a problem with the metaphor at all. I think it's quite a nice comparison. I just was afraid that it would be taken too literally. Do you think I went overboard on the science stuff? I think I'll tone it down a bit.

P.S. Plasma ''is'' a new discovery, entirely different from fire (though the two could be compared, I suppose). Plasma only exists on the sun or other superheated bodies. Also, I believe that the ancients proposed these elements as components that make up matter, not as different phases of the same substance. Although, really, you're right, the parallels between the four elements and four phases of matter are really pretty amazing. Sorry, I like to be picky and had to object. Don't mind me.[[User:Gabriela|Gabriela]] 21:47, July 27, 2006 (CDT)

P.S. Plasma ''is'' a new discovery, entirely different from fire (though the two could be compared, I suppose). Plasma only exists on the sun or other superheated bodies. Also, I believe that the ancients proposed these elements as components that make up matter, not as different phases of the same substance. Although, really, you're right, the parallels between the four elements and four phases of matter are really pretty amazing. Sorry, I like to be picky and had to object. Don't mind me.[[User:Gabriela|Gabriela]] 21:47, July 27, 2006 (CDT)

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:Gabriela, "''be cool'', stay in school" -- You didn't offend or hurt anyone. ("''Just relax'': that's what Jesus would do" -- well, not quite, but stil...) And Your comments were pretty pertinent, very good, and well-written. I had nothing to object to them. (If You want to re-arrange, re-edit, re-phrase, re-write anything, it's perfectly OK {as in Okay, not as in -270cg :-) }).

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:Gabriela, "''be cool'', stay in school" -- You didn't offend or hurt anyone. ("''Just relax'': that's what Jesus would do" -- well, not quite, but still...) And Your comments were pretty pertinent, very good, and well-written. I had nothing to object to them. (If You want to re-arrange, re-edit, re-phrase, re-write anything, it's perfectly OK {as in Okay, not as in -270cg :-) }).

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:P.S.: I knew that we, Orthodox, believe in "one single source", but I think that was meant with regard to the Holy Trinity, not to the Author of ''The Celestial Hierarchy'' :-) -- he wasn't "the only source", as You've put it, that gives us this information. (What about St. Gregory, the Bishop of Rome?) [[User:Luci83ro|Luci83ro]] 09:31, July 28, 2006 (CDT)

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:P.S.: I knew that we, Orthodox, believe in "one single source", but I think that was meant with regard to the Holy Trinity, not to the Author of ''The Celestial Hierarchy'' :-) -- he wasn't "the only source", as You've put it, that gives us this information. (What about St. Gregory, the Bishop of Rome?) [[User:Luci83ro|Luci83ro]] 09:32, July 28, 2006 (CDT)

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Plasma ''is'' a new discovery David Bohm and he said that Plasma is every place and to top it off he said the plasma on this side of the world knows what the plasma on the other side is doing. Quantum theory and Bohm-diffusion well look here the limit is called Sub-Quantum-Physics they see it but can't touch it. Look at it this way Act 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

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How big is the house that holds Heaven the THRONE with Earth as a footstool

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::Hmm... Not sure what to say about all of this, especially because there seems to be some piece of discussion missing. Maybe these thoughts need to be more clearly expressed, but personal theories about the meaning of angels don't really have a place here. We're talking about angels in Orthodox theology. — [[User:FrJohn|<b>FrJohn</b>]] ([http://www.orthodoxwiki.org/User_talk:FrJohn&action=edit&section=new talk])

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:::It seems to me like this user is just saying nonsense for the hell of it, as a strange prank of sorts. On one hand, it seems harmless enough because he's not really defacing the wiki, but it's also rather pointless and annoying. Maybe he should be warned. [[User:Gabriela|Gabriela]] 22:35, October 1, 2006 (CDT)

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Am I the user who's saying nonsense for the hell of it? If so, then please forgive me; but I REALLY meant it when I said that ANYONE who doesn't like my additions and/or alterations can feel free to change them, or simply delete them, as he/she pleases. I have really nothing against it. :( [[User:Luci83ro|Luci83ro]] 20:58, October 6, 2006 (CDT)

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::::No, Luci83ro, I didn't mean you at all. I think you've very much contributed to the article. I was talking about the user MIG who posted the above comment on this page: "...he said the plasma on this side of the world knows what the plasma on the other side is doing. Quantum theory and Bohm-diffusion well look here the limit is called Sub-Quantum-Physics they see it but can't touch it...". Anyway, I was just saying that I thought ''that'' comment was completely incoherent nonsense. Not you at all. [[User:Gabriela|Gabriela]] 22:48, October 6, 2006 (CDT)

Is it possible to get pictures on the different pages of angels? They are short articles, and I think pictures would enhance them. --<font color="teal">[[User:Iliada|Iliada]]</font><font color="teal" size="100px"></font> 19:07, March 16, 2009 (UTC)

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:Yes, you might help![[User:Wsk|Wsk]] 21:45, March 16, 2009 (UTC)

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Ok, I am trying to get some. I just need permission from certain people. --<font color="teal">[[User:Iliada|Iliada]]</font><font color="teal" size="100px"></font> 00:33, March 17, 2009 (UTC)

:Come to think of it, why don't we just copy that section in the wikipedia article into this orthodoxwiki artcle? xD But personally, I prefer to follow St John of Damascus' order/scheme/hierarchy since he's also the patron saint of orthodoxwiki... furthermore, in the [http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Angels&diff=prev&oldid=8895 original version of this article back in 2005], the order of the 9 choirs of angels in the Sources and External Links is the same as the order in St John of Damascus' [http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf209.iii.iv.ii.iii.html ''An Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith''], i.e. First Hierarchy (Seraphim, Cherubim, Thrones), Second Hierarchy (Dominions/Dominations/Lordships, '''Virtues'''/Authorities, Powers), Third Hierarchy ('''Principalities''', Archangels, Angels), which is what [http://orthodoxwiki.org/index.php?title=Angels&diff=97096&oldid=95864 my edit] reflected...---[[User:Preciouspearlfan|Preciouspearlfan]]

I'm wondering, though, if the various sorts of angels shouldn't all just be included in this one article, with redirects from the various names of angels pointing here. Is there a substantial amount of material for each sort such that it couldn't be included in Angels? —Dcn. Andrewtalkrandomcontribs 19:31, 9 Aug 2005 (EDT)

I knew also about the fourth dimension, the fourth element (ancients called it "fire", so it's not the latest in scientific discovery), and the many-many dimensions that string-theory attributes to our Universe, the Dirac matrixes and all that (that's what Discovery Channel's for, after all) ... I just wanted to make a paralel : i.e., just like the image of the family (father, mother, son), or that of the sun (disc, light, heat) are used by the very same apophatical Fathers for the Trinity (without harming the Mistery of the Holy Trinity -- "Eu nu ucid corola de minuni a lumii", to quote my namesake). [P.S. : if anyone doesn't like my comparisson he's got my "blessing" to simply delete it at will]. And there's a fifth element also, namely the state of agregation into which atoms enter when they are at a temperature around 0K (-273.15 centigrade).

No offence taken

Oh, I don't have a problem with the metaphor at all. I think it's quite a nice comparison. I just was afraid that it would be taken too literally. Do you think I went overboard on the science stuff? I think I'll tone it down a bit.

P.S. Plasma is a new discovery, entirely different from fire (though the two could be compared, I suppose). Plasma only exists on the sun or other superheated bodies. Also, I believe that the ancients proposed these elements as components that make up matter, not as different phases of the same substance. Although, really, you're right, the parallels between the four elements and four phases of matter are really pretty amazing. Sorry, I like to be picky and had to object. Don't mind me.Gabriela 21:47, July 27, 2006 (CDT)

Gabriela, "be cool, stay in school" -- You didn't offend or hurt anyone. ("Just relax: that's what Jesus would do" -- well, not quite, but still...) And Your comments were pretty pertinent, very good, and well-written. I had nothing to object to them. (If You want to re-arrange, re-edit, re-phrase, re-write anything, it's perfectly OK {as in Okay, not as in -270cg :-) }).

P.S.: I knew that we, Orthodox, believe in "one single source", but I think that was meant with regard to the Holy Trinity, not to the Author of The Celestial Hierarchy :-) -- he wasn't "the only source", as You've put it, that gives us this information. (What about St. Gregory, the Bishop of Rome?) Luci83ro 09:32, July 28, 2006 (CDT)

Sup people
Plasma is a new discovery David Bohm and he said that Plasma is every place and to top it off he said the plasma on this side of the world knows what the plasma on the other side is doing. Quantum theory and Bohm-diffusion well look here the limit is called Sub-Quantum-Physics they see it but can't touch it. Look at it this way Act 7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

How big is the house that holds Heaven the THRONE with Earth as a footstool

Hmm... Not sure what to say about all of this, especially because there seems to be some piece of discussion missing. Maybe these thoughts need to be more clearly expressed, but personal theories about the meaning of angels don't really have a place here. We're talking about angels in Orthodox theology. — FrJohn (talk)

It seems to me like this user is just saying nonsense for the hell of it, as a strange prank of sorts. On one hand, it seems harmless enough because he's not really defacing the wiki, but it's also rather pointless and annoying. Maybe he should be warned. Gabriela 22:35, October 1, 2006 (CDT)

Am I the user who's saying nonsense for the hell of it? If so, then please forgive me; but I REALLY meant it when I said that ANYONE who doesn't like my additions and/or alterations can feel free to change them, or simply delete them, as he/she pleases. I have really nothing against it. :( Luci83ro 20:58, October 6, 2006 (CDT)

No, Luci83ro, I didn't mean you at all. I think you've very much contributed to the article. I was talking about the user MIG who posted the above comment on this page: "...he said the plasma on this side of the world knows what the plasma on the other side is doing. Quantum theory and Bohm-diffusion well look here the limit is called Sub-Quantum-Physics they see it but can't touch it...". Anyway, I was just saying that I thought that comment was completely incoherent nonsense. Not you at all. Gabriela 22:48, October 6, 2006 (CDT)

Ok, I am trying to get some. I just need permission from certain people. --Iliada 00:33, March 17, 2009 (UTC)

Hierarchies

It would probably be useful to note the variation in the hierarchies among Orthodox sources as noted here. —Fr. Andrewtalkcontribs(THINK!) 17:16, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Come to think of it, why don't we just copy that section in the wikipedia article into this orthodoxwiki artcle? xD But personally, I prefer to follow St John of Damascus' order/scheme/hierarchy since he's also the patron saint of orthodoxwiki... furthermore, in the original version of this article back in 2005, the order of the 9 choirs of angels in the Sources and External Links is the same as the order in St John of Damascus' An Exact Exposition of the Orthodox Faith, i.e. First Hierarchy (Seraphim, Cherubim, Thrones), Second Hierarchy (Dominions/Dominations/Lordships, Virtues/Authorities, Powers), Third Hierarchy (Principalities, Archangels, Angels), which is what my edit reflected...---Preciouspearlfan