i think your forgeting the eye strikes/ear rips/breaks,knees arms & grapplesetc, a wing chun student ould have at his disposal. in a ring these sorts of moves are banned, but wt is still a true fighting art. in boxing footwork and the upper cut are its most favourable attributes (footwork more fluent than wt). in a real life situation(on the street a wing chung guy should win).wing chung anything goes boxing is just punches.

Wing Chun is definately a fighting art and very effective if trained correctly. The original poster, Crimson Tiger asked how to defeat WC so as a ex practitioner I will tell you. WC philosophy is to never step backwards,always go forward or stand your ground. Because of this they utilize a very rigid fighting stance. Attack his legs. Also attack at angles. Dont try to overtake the centerline as this is his territory and he will beat you at it. Attack his mobility as he has little anyways, attack his balance with forward momentum, make him move back, he isnt accustomed to it. Move him back attacking his legs, as he makes the step back, step to an angle and attack hard with forward momentum and keep going. He will fall.

Crimson Tiger I utilize a lot or trapping and boxing drills in my training and sparring, and have found them very usefull as suplementary skills. Someone mentioned that all styles overlap but with different emphasis. I completely agree. It sounds as if you are in a Japanese/Okinawan style. The pulling motion of the rear hand is basically the same as lop sao from wing chun. Nai han chi is basically all trapping and low line kicking. Makes sense seeing as it's roots lie in China...

As for strategy, I have noticed that the style of wing chun does not seem to have much promise in footwork. I believe other styles to have much better developed footwork patterns and drills. You have stated that your partner ties you up a lot on the in range; Wing Chun is more of a defensive emphasis, so don't let him defend. Trapping is easier to see and counter when A. he doesn't make contact with you. B. the Wing Chun guy makes the moves. Why do you think that Bruce Lee sought insight else where besides his traditional Wing Chun training? He was never shown the proper footwork, so he sought it else where. Good question.

Two main techniques you need to employ, both are similar.1. The WC principle of 'one hand out, one hand back'. Never throw a left-right combination to a WC guy, he'll catch the left and trap it with the right, then you're stuffed. Jab-jab-hook type combinations will work for you better.2. Guerrilla footwork. The classic ring work jump in, punch combo, jump out. WC will trap the legs at every opportunity. If you're not in close for long enough, you can't be trapped.

Stay mobile; don't get into a trading blows situation, because you'll end up trapped. Always withdraw your punches. From there it's down to speed & skill, you should be equal on strategy.

As a boxer who wants to be a WC person it can be very complicated. Im going to be focusing on the punching side not the kicking.

Never take directly infront of him because of the center line theory, he will beat you good. Never throw hooks or a one-two combination but what you should do is constantly fight him:-On angles, fight him at the wierdest angles and keep changing angles every 3 or less seconds.-You have to move in and camp there. You will have the advantages if you if your right into his face, they are not trained to move backwards so keep that in mind.-Once camped, start throwing uppercuts (Also, a good old stomping on the foot wont hurt you)

To all of you. If you train in many different styles then you can be an unstoppible force. Just look at one of the greatest MMA fighters that is now retired Bas Rutten. He has utilized many different styles and has made the best of them to work for him. I Have personal trained in wing chun under one of Ip ching's sucessors for 5 years. The art (wing chun) has so many great and wonderful principles that are also implemented in so many other styles not just WC. What Advice that im trying to give you here is this and its something that my teacher gave me many years ago. "It is not the style that is great but the person who studies the art." And as far as those in here that are saying "wing chun sucks!" Or "Boxing sucks!" You are all very 1 sided and really have no idea what you are talking about. You are just going with what you know and its not a bad thing its just an uneducated thing.

JKogas,A boxer against a WC guy (who has been trained prperly) does not stand a chance.In my opinion a boxer does not stand a chance with most MA, because boxing is limited.I would take out his knees before he even got close enough to throw a hook. Lets say i didnt use legs, then jabs go to the centre line which the WC guy will dominate, and hooks leave your centre line open for the WC to just pummel you.The weakpoint in WC is probably ground techniques. In H2H combat WC is not the best, because it is the artist not the art, but its principles are solid.I have seen you throw attacks against WC very often. All your posts excluding WC have been very informative.Whats with the WC bias. You might have met a load of WC fakes, but that does not mean that you can judge an art form that is old, proved to be effective, chosen by shaolin monks for practical defence above all other styles of kung fu, and that you have never practiced.