Taking away all filler such as Pikkon getting a ridiculous 50x stronger by taking his weights off and base Vegetto being stronger than Buuhan, I think the Kili sequence is the only think that might sort of hint it's a smaller boost.

With the massive power ups characters in DBZ went though, there's nothing for me to suggest that the Super Saiyans can't be 50x Piccolo, Goku had been well ahead of him on Namek, so was Vegeta after Dende heal him. So piccolo is just back in place in the Buu saga IMO.

They may have hit a wall in the initial transformation but when they raise and multiply their chi in MSSJ it seems like a much higher multiplier than 50X. Goku goes from suppressed to in the billions in front of Korin and Perfect Cell.

Meh, we have been trough this before. Elder Kai does not like transformations, i get that. He also didnt like the idea of using the Dragonballs, he was not right about that, so i dont take him seriously...You do..that's cool..Dont need to start the Elder>>>>>Skelter shit, i just don't thin he is that reliable.

It's not a theory. It's just how it is. It's not a fact that transformations are wrong. Elder Kai does not like them, Supreme kai didn't mind them.Since the Elder Kai was wrong about not using the Dragonballs, IMO, he was wrong about transformations as well...IT'S not like all he says is set in stone...He wanted Goku and Vegita to use the potaras against Boo, and they won without them, so he has been wrong before..

Dragonballs should not be used...If they had not used them, what would have happened?? Kid boo would have killed them all..including elder kai himself...

So...He was wrong in the they should not be used part, because they saved everybody...So he does not like transformations...That's his opinion..... Does not mean transformations are wrong...I agree he does not like them...But they are not wrong, they have done more good then Elder kai ever will.

Yes, but Gohan had his KI re-arranged. I agree that Goha fighting as Chou was the best thing ever.You have implied before that a saiyan can get that on his own...That's what i don't agree with...Gohan had to have his Ki re-arranged...That's not something a saiyan can do without elder kai...I agree that it's the best way to go, but i dont agree a saiyan can do that on their own.