Offensive Coordinator Thread (post Musgrave)

Good move... Maybe the young guy will see that we play much better offensively when we go at a fast pace... Carr is a rhythm thrower, no accident that he's way more effective when playing in an aggressive two minute/hurry up offense... The offense was way too stagnant in first halves this year... hopefully we'll lose a lot of that sideways shit to the flat as well...

It would be very weird if JDR lost/fired both coordinators after a 12-5 season. But, shit, Norton's such a weak link. At least have to bring somebody in who can help scheme/prepare a game-plan and help call plays and make adjustments in the booth.

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I've always been in the camp that winning and losing is mostly dependent upon the quality of the players you have ..., sure great coaches are a huge plus, but even the great Bill Belichick would have struggled to consistently win games with the piss poor rosters we've trotted out over the last decade plus. Just my opinion, but if we take a significant step backwards next year, it will be related more to injuries than changes in the coaching staff. That being said, I agree with you about Norton ..., nothing suggests he has what it takes to be a successful DC. If Jack/Red bring him back, you kinda have to expect more of the same ..., guys out of position, poor adjustments, and what often looks like a lack of preparation.

Good move... Maybe the young guy will see that we play much better offensively when we go at a fast pace... Carr is a rhythm thrower, no accident that he's way more effective when playing in an aggressive two minute/hurry up offense... The offense was way too stagnant in first halves this year... hopefully we'll lose a lot of that sideways shit to the flat as well...

So, Musgrave's O was 27th in average yards (in the air) per pass (7.48 yards). Yet, Musgrave's O led the NFL in the frequency of TDs among passes thrown over 20 yards (15%). Sure would be nice to get a real deep threat.

If there are going to be changes to the offense, it sure would be nice if they included: 1) less WR screens; 2) more Olawale; 3) more screens to midgets, and less shotgun draws; and 4) an acknowledgement that there is a position called TE, and once in while they actually catch balls.

If there are going to be changes to the offense, it sure would be nice if they included: 1) less WR screens; 2) more Olawale; 3) more screens to midgets, and less shotgun draws; and 4) an acknowledgement that there is a position called TE, and once in while they actually catch balls.

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One aspect of the offense I did like was the use of the 6th lineman or jumbo packages. I love the power football set. Bring in Lee Smith or Kirkland and play smash mouth.

If there are going to be changes to the offense, it sure would be nice if they included: 1) less WR screens; 2) more Olawale; 3) more screens to midgets, and less shotgun draws; and 4) an acknowledgement that there is a position called TE, and once in while they actually catch balls.

I look at it this way. he knows the system and can keep it going. This may be a good move. Could be a better play caller and is someone Carr trusts. Could give Carr more freedom to call his own plays and shit. Who knows he may be better situationally aware.

Honestly it does suck a bit Musgraves is gone. Will suck more if he goes to the donkeys but oh well. Lets hope this doesnt implode on us.

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Don't kid yourself, Derek was involved in this decision. I know that mostly Musgrave has sucked as an OC, so I'm inclined to think most of what happened here was in spite of him. Thus, you roll with what your QB wants on this. Let's not act like Musgrave was some genius out there. We'll see how it plays out next year, but I'm not losing sleep about this. More concerned with that shitty defense and how we fix that.

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Expect Raiders promote Jake Peetz to QBs Coach. Thought has league wide interest in his services for that post. Very high on young coaches.

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Now who thinks it was Musgrave's brilliant prowess on the greaseboard that was propelling this offense. If you do, I want some of that shit you're smoking just as a contact high to get through the off-season. You let dumb people like that go find another job when you know you have other hungry people who can do the same job in house. Have zero problems with this.

Downing earned himself a coaching internship a year later and signed his first coaching contract at age 21. He was with the Vikings until 2005 under Mike Tice, before spending the next three seasons with the St. Louis Rams.

He was hired as an offensive quality control coach by the Detroit Lions the same season they drafted Matthew Stafford No. 1 overall in 2009.

Downing was elevated to quarterbacks coach in 2011 and held that role with the Lions until 2013. Overall, he spent five season in Detroit working under Jim Schwartz.

He moved on to the Buffalo Bills in 2014 under Doug Marrone. They went 9-7 with EJ Manuel starting the first four games before Kyle Orton started the next 12 games and threw for 3,018 yards, 18 touchdowns and 10 interceptions.

Don't kid yourself, Derek was involved in this decision. I know that mostly Musgrave has sucked as an OC, so I'm inclined to think most of what happened here was in spite of him. Thus, you roll with what your QB wants on this. Let's not act like Musgrave was some genius out there. We'll see how it plays out next year, but I'm not losing sleep about this. More concerned with that shitty defense and how we fix that.

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Irvin says "it's a proven system, we all have to buy into the system."

I'm not broken up over this move, but I'd be lying if I said I saw this coming. Figured Norton would be on the street before Musgrave. Promoting a guy from within doesn't disrupt the continuity as much as going in a completely different direction, but I kinda wonder if this means Norton isn't going anywhere. Who knows ..., maybe Jack and Red aren't worried about disrupting the status quo, and this move means nothing with respect to changes with the defensive staff.

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He isn't. I think it would have all come out together if it was. Norton will get more of a pass because JDR is clearly involved in that side of the ball imo, and also we didn't have major pieces of the defense this year. If anybody gets clipped, I'd expect it to be the DB coach.

Downing earned himself a coaching internship a year later and signed his first coaching contract at age 21. He was with the Vikings until 2005 under Mike Tice, before spending the next three seasons with the St. Louis Rams.

He was hired as an offensive quality control coach by the Detroit Lions the same season they drafted Matthew Stafford No. 1 overall in 2009.

Downing was elevated to quarterbacks coach in 2011 and held that role with the Lions until 2013. Overall, he spent five season in Detroit working under Jim Schwartz.

He moved on to the Buffalo Bills in 2014 under Doug Marrone. They went 9-7 with EJ Manuel starting the first four games before Kyle Orton started the next 12 games and threw for 3,018 yards, 18 touchdowns and 10 interceptions.

He isn't. I think it would have all come out together if it was. Norton will get more of a pass because JDR is clearly involved in that side of the ball imo, and also we didn't have major pieces of the defense this year. If anybody gets clipped, I'd expect it to be the DB coach.