The point is that feminists and liberals don’t make that argument, can you read coherently?

Yes, some world leaders and very radical feminists may throw around false statistics, some of them because they’re stupid and some of them to confuse us, but so do radical right wingers too. I think that a few radicals and stupid people shouldn’t represent all liberals, just like a few nut jobs on the right shouldn’t represent all right wingers.

My point is that feminists and liberals do make that argument because it’s a fairly popular feminist talking point, and just because you don’t like the implications of that doesn’t give you the right to merely attribute it all to the fringe of that group.

Don’t get me wrong, that’s not free license to not take people on a case by case basis. It doesn’t mean a few bad apples spoil the bunch either. It doesn’t even mean that you and your liberal/feminist friends all necessarily make that argument. All it means is that it’s a popular feminist bad argument. That’s it. That’s really it.

+nrgarcia1071 No it isn’t (although it may the position of some people who call themselves Marxists). Marxism is about the inner logic of capitalism, about generalized commodity production for exchange, value-relations and the capital-labour relation. (following the tradition of classical political economy from Petty->Smith->Ricardo).

+MaoTseFunkadelic but on of the major ideas in Marxism is the conflict between the proletariat and the bourgeois. The ruling and working class. Which is the idea we see pushed here and pushed all over the place

No, the ‘major’ idea of Marxism is a modification of Petty/Smith/Ricardo’s Labour Theory of Value, specifically that value is socially necessary abstract labour time (rather than concrete labour time), and that one special commodity, labour, produces more value than its own (i.e labour can produce more value than the value necessary to keep them alive). That is the origin of profit in a capitalist (rather than merely mercantile/commercial sense), and it is competitively compelled rather than arbitrarily imposed. Marxism is not about crude typologies and abstractions from semi-empirical groups, but about underlying relationships.

That is not the message we see here, again and again. The message we see here is that social divisions are an expression of arbitrary ‘discrimination’ and amorphous ‘power’ reproduced by ‘culture’. It is a circular and mystifying argument that has nothing to do with (and actually arose largely out of the post-structuralist reaction to) Marxism.

I love how Hannah is speaking nothing but facts and statistics, and sourcing all her information (not that she has to, this information is very easily accessible) and yet the comments and dislike bar are still stacked against her. People either say that “this proves nothing” or “men deal with the pay gap too” , and while that last quote might be true in some settings, the dominating situation is that on average women get payed less for the same job. Feminism is not “women bitching”, it is not even WOMEN. It is PEOPLE wanting EQUAL pay for dong EQUAL amount of work. But why bother type a truthful comment. Those who agree or disagree with me will continue to do so no matter what facts they are presented with.

1. Google released its statement on the 11th, so even if the video was recorded before Google released its response, they still posted it 7 days after that. At best, that’s grossly irresponsible journalism, and at worst it’s flat out lying.

2. This finding with Google should be showing us that maybe there is something to those calling BS on the wage gap.

nexus1g The finding is with google. You really think every company hiring in all positions has a “gender-blind” eye in the hiring process? This issue wouldn’t be such widely common debate if that were the case.

Konner, I’m not implying this is true across the board, but with a gender-blind compensation company like Google, there’s no way it can be sexist. However, there’s still a pay difference between men and women. If there was no valid reasons for the pay gap in the rest of the workforce, then Google should have no discernible pay gap, or at least a lessened pay gap.

Konner L. well then you must have been talking about i different video, because that was never demonstrated in this one. all hannah said, and im being generous, was that differences X, Y and Z do not apply, not that we are looking at an apples to apples comparison across the board.

I just see a bunch of ignorant trolls making stupid comments instead of sharing their arguments against this video. The pay gap isn’t universal, but it’s stupid to just say it doesn’t exist when companies have settled for paying women less.

Everything becomes “I’m the feminist I’m right” or “I’m an anti feminist and I’m right” but these issues aren’t black and white.

jetli80 s_xoxo my only argument to that is that these people typically are more like self employed people. They have enough say in what jobs they will take for me to say that, even though I know that a lot of them are managed by a company. This is basically a demand type deal like a modeling agency would be. Certain people will get booked and for more money. This is not a normal job where your cubicle mate might be making more or less than you for the same type of work.

No sources cited! Why should we trust ANY of what you have to say when 99.9999% of the western world live and work contradictory lives to the nonsense you’re spouting. Hey, if you don’t need to cite your sources, then neither do I.

@2:59, she says “All else being equal, men will still make more…”
when she says ALL ELSE BEING EQUAL, that implies the very thing you’re asking me to point out. She doesn’t say it explicitly, but she does IMPLY it VERY HEAVILY. Beyond that she doesn’t outright say it’s the ONLY factor (only implies it).
Now, time for you to return the favor… show me a timestamp where she points out ANY factor other than gender without immediately adding a “but…” statement as an addendum to the previous one.

Furthermore, if you say that the “wage gap” (really an EARNINGS GAP), merely existing is a problem, then answer this for me… is it a PROBLEM that someone who works more hours gets a bigger paycheck (assuming they hold the same position obviously)? Is it a PROBLEM that some people are better at negotiating pay? is it a PROBLEM that there’s a myriad of factors that effect pay rates that aren’t even mentioned?

PairsOfDuals – this Black Knight trash is a common Trump troll who tries to make friends on Pop Trigger.
And of course he is trailer trash, some elderly, weedy little hillbilly tapping away in his trailer.

So after 5 mins of research I found out google uses a program to set pay and it doesn’t take gender into account. Humans apparently don’t even set the pay. So this maybe evidence that women just suck at work.

futurestoryteller See, you don’t seem to understand what reading comprehension means. Your response to him saying businesses look to decrease costs and that if they can get the same productivity for cheaper they will, is to call it the dumbest thing you’ve ever heard. In my response I reiterated his point that businesses are there to make money and that if men were.more productive they should get paid more as in your blanket statement you were either referring to both his points being dumb or not clarifying which of his two points you thought were dumb. You again made a no content blanket statement on my response to which I asked the clarifying question, are you saying businesses aren’t supposed to reduce costs to make more profits as hiring an equally productive workforce foe cheaper would allow them to do.

She’s reapeatedly telling you to Google, and she mentions studies, so you could google for those things she mentioned? Ofc not.

Anyway, Swedes loves statistics and we have something called SCB, The Statistical Central Bureau, which keeps stats on pretty much everything.
And in that you can see every plumbers wage, based on the pretty much automated tax system (and other factors). And female plumbers get less money no matter their age compared to the same aged male coworkers. And then you can lok at Swedish studies of paygap, like kids and all that and see that everything Hannah said about the U.S is also true in Sweden, which have a lower pay gap than the U.S. Can still prove it tho.

Can still also google it. Also, most of SCB’s site is in English as well as English, but I did not find a way to get the actual statistics in Egnlish, but I am sure you are gonna figure that out. Since you already googled so hard on this subject yourself.

Jordan Coverson unfortunately I feel you’re falling for the trap that more hardcore conservatives lay on the issue of feminism, conflating the 3rd-wavers (who are a loud but TINY tiny fraction) with the rest of those, including myself, who call themselves feminists but don’t ascribe to that more extreme end of the spectrum.

+XantherNight
Perhaps, but it can be difficult to make that distinction.

Take Islam and BLM.
I believe the majority of Muslims are peaceful. However, due to multiple factors, a terrorist extremist group has broken off representing a minority among Muslims. They are louder, and receive more attention than the majority.
BLM however, almost across the board, loudly advocates for segregation, hate, and perpetual victimology. Can we really say that the outspoken BLM advocates are the minority of the group?

Because 3rd wave is the loudest currently, that is what feminism is tied to. That is not how it started, nor is it what it truly stands for, but that is what it is now. It may change in the future, maybe one day we will see a 4th wave. Only time will tell. One can stand for women’s rights, and be against feminism at the same time.

I am still unclear as to what rights women are lacking in our western society.