SP HL optimisation : Mastery reforge Vs Haste

Hello,

according to what i could see on a lot of top hl sp, they go for a mastery optimisation after the 2nd extra tick of Vampiric Touch with huge amount of mastery like 18-20.
I think this work good with the 4p T13 bonus.
They even reforge haste for mastery.
I just get the 4p T13 bonus yesterday and i wonder if i need to go for this mastery optimisation.

Stat weightings differ between different levels of gear...They also differ between different types of gear (eg VPLC)...They also differ between different kinds of fights..
They also differ depending on your raid composition (ie your buffs)...They also differ depending on your skill...They also differ depending on your lag...

If u do listen simcraft, you'll run out of mana, so you need SFiends more then u need crit.
Pity it does not happen.

To OP: mate, if u run with 2pcT12 + VLPC (or just the VPLC) go for a haste-crit build. If your rolling with 4pcT13 then mastery is.
I totally suggest you to skip the simcraft part because in a sim where you run out of mana and basically perform the wrong rotation is close to garbage to me.

If u do listen simcraft, you'll run out of mana, so you need SFiends more then u need crit.

lol what?

Generally speaking I listen to Simcraft, and I regularly do top parses. Simcraft is a tool, and if you understand it and why it gives the results it gives, it's incredibly useful. And for optimization purposes, there are no better alternatives.

If u do listen simcraft, you'll run out of mana, so you need SFiends more then u need crit.
Pity it does not happen.

To OP: mate, if u run with 2pcT12 + VLPC (or just the VPLC) go for a haste-crit build. If your rolling with 4pcT13 then mastery is.
I totally suggest you to skip the simcraft part because in a sim where you run out of mana and basically perform the wrong rotation is close to garbage to me.

With Shadowfiend, Replenishment, SWD, and Archangel there is no reason you should be going oom unless you are trying to multi dot 10 targets at once.

Generally speaking I listen to Simcraft, and I regularly do top parses. Simcraft is a tool, and if you understand it and why it gives the results it gives, it's incredibly useful. And for optimization purposes, there are no better alternatives.

Check it better guys, you actually need to run with unlimited mana option on to have a more accurate sim(wich is what happens because we always take damage in static fights like Ultraxion, so mana is unlimited no global wasted for >25% SW D).

Not the only one that found out that weird behaving. Furthermore the fact that it never clips MF to cast MBs (just think under a BL condition or with 4pcT13 how many 3xOrbs MB have been lost...) its pretty inaccurate, it makes the value of crit rise even higher at this point.

The very, and i mean VERY, best thing to do is to try to priorityze one stats, go in LFR and test it in a far more accurate way. It will take more time but there's no better way around.

"I do this and i top charts in my raid" is very hardly of any use.

p.s.: i don't mess with prio ques of simcraft because patch 4.3 gave us the best training dummy possibile +, the first boss of LFR DS + Ultraxion, first of second wing. Hence, my simcraft folder flew directly in the trash can.

Check it better guys, you actually need to run with unlimited mana option on to have a more accurate sim(wich is what happens because we always take damage in static fights like Ultraxion, so mana is unlimited no global wasted for >25% SW D).

Not the only one that found out that weird behaving. Furthermore the fact that it never clips MF to cast MBs (just think under a BL condition or with 4pcT13 how many 3xOrbs MB have been lost...) its pretty inaccurate, it makes the value of crit rise even higher at this point.

The very, and i mean VERY, best thing to do is to try to priorityze one stats, go in LFR and test it in a far more accurate way. It will take more time but there's no better way around.

"I do this and i top charts in my raid" is very hardly of any use.

p.s.: i don't mess with prio ques of simcraft because patch 4.3 gave us the best training dummy possibile +, the first boss of LFR DS + Ultraxion, first of second wing. Hence, my simcraft folder flew directly in the trash can.

Running a LFR encounter 50k times under the same conditions (buffs/duration) could do it, but I'll stick to Simcraft since I can't reasonably do that (and you probably can't too!). And your mana thing? It's wrong, there's a resource graph and in the sim I never run oom. The clipping part doesn't change that much.

Lol @ H2P guy, failed hard(didn't noticed his reply) :P. Mate, maybe you were refering to the SimC thing while obviously missing the "to me" in the end of the sentence, wich i can understand and forgive me if i'd rather join Al Qaeda and blow myself up against a coca cola vending machine then to use that tool. But that's just me, hope you can walk over that peacefully!
If you referring to the stat weight thing well, pal...you missed some stickies on your own forum :P

If your running out of mana at all short of H Yor'sahj (mana voids are annoying), you are doing something terribly wrong. Simcrafts results are very accurate if you know how to understand the information. If you are following SimCrafts results and running OoM, and SimCraft is not showing any OoM time, then it is YOU who are making mistakes, not he sim. Don't blame your own limitations and mistakes on a useful tool.

If your running out of mana at all short of H Yor'sahj (mana voids are annoying), you are doing something terribly wrong. Simcrafts results are very accurate if you know how to understand the information. If you are following SimCrafts results and running OoM, and SimCraft is not showing any OoM time, then it is YOU who are making mistakes, not he sim. Don't blame your own limitations and mistakes on a useful tool.