I also don't understand the big uproar about Vogel saying the Heat are "just the next team". That's pretty normal coach speak.

Just normal sports talk in general. Would people rather have him pissing his pants? "OMG we are doing two a days and watching more film because we are playing the mighty Heat"

No...you treat it like another series. Yes, you are playing the defending champs...but you don't change what has got you here.

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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.

I haven't listened to sports radio since the game. I broke my phone after JR Smith shot that 3.

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This was our year. We were supposed to win it all. Then JR had to party with Rhianna, Melo had to hurt his shoulder, Kidd had to suck, and Tyson had to get a bulging disc in his neck and everything went downhill.

I'm with Forenci, JR has to go. He teased me all season and he just doesn't get it. How do you play playoff games hung over? In a contract year? How do you do that?

He's gotta go. But we need a 2nd scorer in the worst way. You can't be a legit title contender in this league unless you have 2 scorers on your team. We have to find a way to get a 2nd scorer.

Maybe we package Chandler in a trade for a 2nd scoring option? We have to find a way to free up some money so we can get another scorer. Chandler was god awful in the playoffs this year. We were a better team with Kenyon Martin out there.

15 million for a guy who pretty much averaged 4 points and 7 boards a night in the playoffs is not gonna cut it. we need to move him while he still has some value and try to get a cheaper defensive Center and a 2nd scorer out of it.

I haven't listened to sports radio since the game. I broke my phone after JR Smith shot that 3.

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This was our year. We were supposed to win it all. Then JR had to party with Rhianna, Melo had to hurt his shoulder, Kidd had to suck, and Tyson had to get a bulging disc in his neck and everything went downhill.

I'm with Forenci, JR has to go. He teased me all season and he just doesn't get it. How do you play playoff games hung over? In a contract year? How do you do that?

He's gotta go. But we need a 2nd scorer in the worst way. You can't be a legit title contender in this league unless you have 2 scorers on your team. We have to find a way to get a 2nd scorer.

Maybe we package Chandler in a trade for a 2nd scoring option? We have to find a way to free up some money so we can get another scorer. Chandler was god awful in the playoffs this year. We were a better team with Kenyon Martin out there.

15 million for a guy who pretty much averaged 4 points and 7 boards a night in the playoffs is not gonna cut it. we need to move him while he still has some value and try to get a cheaper defensive Center and a 2nd scorer out of it.

Everyone else saw the playoffs as well. Chandler already has an injury history, combine that with a non-friendly contract and he doesn't have much value.

No it's not. Look at his value. He's not the same player anymore and there are a ton of players who can provide the same qualities for a cheaper price.

You can play moneyball at Center and use a rotation and get away with it. Think about it, if you used a Martin/Birdman rotation at Center you basically get Chandler production for a fraction of the cost.

All he does is play defense and rebound. He's absolutely useless on offense, you're playing 4 on 5 on offense, and even on defense he's not as great of a defender as he's made out to be. He's got a little finesse in him, he's not a paint protector and he can't defend the post vs physical big men.

He's way overvalued. We desperately needed size and we overpaid for him. He's not a bad player, he's a valuable player, but I think using a cheaper rotation at Center coupled with an actual legitimate 2nd scoring option would make this team better.

To be clear, I'm not saying Chandler is a bad player. He provides value. But his $/value is not good enough to warrant keeping him. If we can move him, find a slightly less effective but much cheaper alternative to the Center position, like using a rotation that I mentioned and use that money saved on a 2nd scoring option that we desperately need, then I think moving him is the right call.

Bc until we get a 2nd scoring option to take pressure off of Melo, we can't win in the playoffs. We can cross our fingers and hope Shump develops into that guy, but he's not reliable enough to be a 2nd scorer.

I don't see why that can't work in the NBA btw. What if you establish that you need a certain # of rebounds per game, points per game, blocks per game, steals per game, and turnovers per game to win X amount of games.