I’ve been in a very tough spot for the last 24 hours or so. Let me get everyone up to speed. As most of you know, when I set out to revitalize warring, I made a lot of big changes, but I also kept many things the same. The changes that I made were intended to resolve some issues that I had noticed in the past, but not all of these issues were fully resolved, and some new ones came up. It is of course impossible to create a perfect system, but I tried my best to anyways.
Angle-shooting in warring has been far more prevalent than I would like, which is really disappointing to me. My hope was that our team leaders (particularly those that are ancient mods) would prioritize the success of warring overall than the success of their own team. I generally consider myself to be a pessimistic, but in this particular case, I was overly optimistic.
One such issue had to do with the format of wars themselves. 6 hearts, a popular format throughout the history of DGZ warring, has an issue in that having your worst members “dodge” matches with the other team could be used to achieve a massive advantage. I made it very clear to the team leaders that I expected them to not actively encourage this as a strategy. Telling the worst members not to play is antithetical to the purpose of warring, to give people as means to improve at competitive Yugioh.
Recently, I was made aware of the fact that, going directly against what I told him, muh 100 godzillion told Markus (who he perceived as a weaker player on his team) to make up an excuse to avoid playing in the upcoming war vs Detox. See the screenshot below as evidence:
Word of this plan to dodge escaped Sigimuri’s discord shortly and greatly upset the other team leaders. I am now forced to take action to remedy this situation. I directly asked muh 100 godzillion if he told Markus to dodge to see whether or not he would be honest with me about it. He denied it and said to the contrary that, “I specifically told my members not to dodge.” As a result of violating my trust, muh 100 godzillion has been removed from staff and war council, effective immediately.
In regards to warring itself, I think the only fair thing to do, given that Sigimuri no longer has a team leader, is to dissolve the team, allowing for its members to rejoin warring and be placed on another team if they want to. There will be 9 teams, and any team that would have played Sigimuri in the future schedule will be instead given a win. To make it fair, The Gentleman’s Club will also be retroactively given a win over Sigimuri in round 1.
I want everyone to know that I do not make these kinds of decisions lightly, and I’ve been painfully deliberating the whole day about how to best resolve this. Prior to this, muh 100 godzillion was a good staff member who helped bring new people to the site, so I am very disappointed that this is entire fiasco came up. In addition, the timing of this “scandal” is exceptionally poor, as I was planning to shortly announce an online DuelistGroundz cash tournament series, and I now fear about what this says about our ability to run a fair online tournament that the community has confidence in. I still plan to do said cash tournament series, but I will be much more careful about how exactly we do everything to make sure that we avoid another disaster, as the stakes will be significantly higher then.
In addition, although warring has been successful on some metrics, it has been nowhere near as successful as I would have liked. The rules were too complicated and confusing, the double-format setup was weird, there was too much angle-shooting, it’s taken way more effort on my part than I would have liked, and the overall satisfaction with the program hasn’t been particularly high from the participants. I originally had planned to do warring and cash tournaments concurrently, but instead I now plan to pivot to cash tournaments completely. This warring season will finish as planned, but it will be the last one for now, and I may change some rules mid-season as needed to make sure that everything goes smoothly. The prizes will still be the same, and if you weren’t on team Sigimuri, not much has really changed.
I hope that everyone is understanding as to the difficult situation that I was placed in and respects my decision. Let me know if there are any questions.

Technically I made this account ages ago, but I believe I have a total of like four posts. I figured I'd make an intro just to briefly say what my deal is.
I'm 17, just graduated high school, and I have barely played since the WCQ after my freshman year, but I have gone to regionals probably like one or two tines a year since then, borrowing entire decks. I've topped a couple, generally always get my invite, and then went on with my life as someone who is kind of ok at but doesn't really play yugioh. However, this year I decided to actually go to nats since I only live around 6 hours from Chicago. The one thing holding me back is that I don't know what a lot of the cards do, which is why I came here. I made an account on the Discord, NJK21, in order to hopefully join a war team that will help break down the current format as a mid season addition. I'm probably going to be fairly active at least until the WCQ (although I work a lot, and I'm actually headed up to Chicago this weekend with one of my high school activities), and after the WCQ I am thinking about picking up the game again in college. A large part of the reason I quit is that my local community isn't good enough to help an okay player get better (I'm the only one in my town who has even got their invite this year, and many of them went to multiple regionals) and a lack of premier events, and I'm moving to NYC for college so those problems won't really be an issue.
Oh and I might pick up mafia if I find the time.
Edit: Somehow managed to double post this, shout out to mobile. If any mod wants to delete one that would be cool, I don't know if I can.

I don't think either deck is broken
HHG - Twister and their deck becomes 3 bricks and their Birdface/Sonic Ducks become bad, Gravity Behemoth is literally a monarch that doesn't lose to E-Con (comparable to how Monarchs lost to BoM/Tsukuyomi IRL) and people are behind, and Soul Exchange still exists. Wild Tornado, Security Olb, etc. all exist as well. Deck is pretty fair tbh. Harpie Lady 1 is pretty good and Order to Charge as well, but those cards aren't HHG, and also aren't broken.
Three Star Demotion - Paying 2000 LP makes you vulnerable to E-Con OTK shots (literally summon monster take their beatstick attack is game so now they're forced to always have some kind of Vigilance / E-Con etc.), a good burn deck should insta-win vs them as well, after the first summon their entire deck is full of bricks unless if they open the combo cards (like the LP gain, of which they often only play 2) , deck loses to Mirror Wall / any destruction card. Also Relinquished just shits on this deck. It's a good aggressive deck and tier 1, but it's not "broken".
Relinquished isn't broken either.
My real issue is you can't build to beat the field because:
1. versatile cards don't exist (Saku / MST / etc.)
2. no side-decking
And it's not like dgz warring where you can predict what your opp will play either.
There's literally no way to build to beat Tea burn, outside of playing the 1000 LP skill. A beatdown deck with outs to sets / backrow / burning land will still lose.
HHG also isn't even a good out to burn because Burning Land is nuts.
If I had to name a broken deck in the sense that it's overpowered, it would probably be GK (Chief, Recruiter, Soul Exchange, E-Con, build to stall early game and outgrind people with those 4 cards + Oracle), or burn with Big Shield Gardna (either Tea or Weevil burn). Maybe the stall deckout deck if build right. These decks are legit retarded and impossible to beat consistently without a side deck, and if you main to beat them, you'll lose vs other decks. I think those decks are all by far more problematic that HHG, TSD, Relinquished ever will be.
But I realize this is just personal taste at this point.

sorry you don't like zoo but the vast majority disagrees, maybe you just have a mental block with decks that make you learn playbooks of combos or something but for most of us pure zoo mirrors are actually the most fun we've had in current format for quite a while

is it weird if i would actually prefer to have a tensu in hand instead of cattle call 9 times out of 10?
it is neat that you can chain cattle call to ghost ogre on your rat though. think people are locking themselves in the mindset of "you need nonzoodiac beast warriors for cattle call to be worth" and they aren't realizing that you can chain the card to mbaas/chalice/ogre, which is a far better use of the card imo

today i was over at my moms house and she was getting mad at me for vaping and i was just really not having it. i wasn't having any of that oppressive bullshit that white fascist bitch was trying to feed me. she was trying to tell me that vaping is gay. can you fucking beleive it? out of all the things my mother has done to me, this has just been the worst. she has gone too far. i just want to vape in peace ok? i want to fill up my vape with nazi tears and inhale it, then, i want to annoy people by exhaling it, so they get to smell all the nazi smells that were just inside my dirty mouth. jesus fucking christ if some fascist wants me to not vape here again i might just move to canada and drink milk out of bags, and no im not fucking done there. im gonna go on my favorite yugioh board and express all my deepest sexual feelings with joseph stalin but also 16 year old girls on the intere-.... WAIT A SECOND, i WOULD if it weren't for that fuckinng tankie allen pennington removing politics from discord. how am i supposed to post homoerotic communism memes now? what else is a duelist/tumblr poster/mafia player supposed to do other than suck a bunch of dicks after getting mad and moving to canada? *inhales from vape* seriously? do i just post about how spirit of the game doesn't matter at fucking all in a game about bluffing? i'm done. time for me to leave my basement and get a tattoo that looks like a beyblade.

Exarion didn't get banned
Exarion is in between pre-CRV and post-CRV, but it is now decided that it's not included in pre-CRV anymore (since the format where Exarion was legal but CRV wasn't was between 0 and 2 weeks and didn't have any significant tournaments, so the format barely existed if at all).

Why talk specifically about optimal scenarios... I mean, sure, it'll cause no problem every now and then, but sometimes it'll also just completely flop just like Jazz said it can.
Besides, why would you use a deck that has both reaper and dustshoot in it??? Dustshoot is good in aggressive decks, and reaper is a defensive/controlly card.
The real question is: do you want to play Zoo, or do you want to play Goat, because going in the middle leads to pretty mediocre decks that lose in both matchups.

DAY HAS BEEN HAMMERED, NO MORE POSTING
Final Votecount
Winter (3) : Nelrick, Francis, Zero
Nelrick (2) : Winter, Silver
WINTER was voted to death. HE WAS VANILLA TOWN.
Night 3 starts now and ends at 9:30 PM CST on Sunday June 11th.

Because you will always draw Reaper before Dustshoot every game right.
1) how many dustshoots/reapers each do you think these decks are playing?
2) drawing dustshoot late is going to suck regardless of if you're playing reaper or not, cutting reaper doesn't get you anywhere in that regard

gotta put my former sensei on blast here for a minute but this hasn't been true for a while now, it seems dead to you because you havent been making any attempts to involve yourself with the new channels for activity ie warring and discord yet (no offense)
it's way easier to figure out what you should be trying to do in current format when you're looking at hard results-based data instead of basically just crapshooting between a bunch of different historical precedents. while you've been preoccupied with trying to make the coveted v-hero lightning strike twice with a 1-off card interaction, finding some gold here and some dirt there, in discord we've been watching the warring metagames unfold from a top-down perspective; as a result i feel confident exploiting the statistically worst matchups of literally every single deck in either current or goat format right now, in a much more comprehensive way than just looking for a unique card that my opponents might not be able to read as consistently
also dgzcord solved pre-banlist zoodiac mirrors, get on our level

Im going to ramble a bit.
Anyone bar a few people calling you and jazz cancer are hypocrites, id just call them out on their bullshit. We have all been in that position (bar a few). I actually would not care if slick or insert person here with anger issues did. But a lot of people doing that is a different issue since i can only say that in your position i would leave.
But what even is cancer in a community? I can only imagine my DNF days of people intentionally being awful or annoying. But neither you or jazz are there. Markus can be that but he is also young and i was awful young too so ill buckle up and get my karma.
Then i imagine is being toxic? Frankly im so used to it that i couldnt care less what you call me. I imagine there will be some situations where ill insult you right back but as long as we know its just a game and stay gucci afterwards i dont mind. I do think there is a line (remember when ACP said there was no line? fuck him) like using anything outside here as a way to get each other (as much as what crei did to klevis was funny it indeed crossed a line). But callin me any names i couldnt care less. but im aware thats just me, and others would be put off from being repeatedly being called idiot. We also have to realize its impossible to completely eliminate. At some point an "you fucking idiot sigh" will slip back. As long as its not constant id say it should be fine.
I honestly dont have a solution on being less toxic because i believe that people dont change innerly, we do it externally for outside reasons but we are still the same assholes inside, we just dont flip out in a supermarket because we dislike being raped in jail. But in a forum like this with barely any rules we act our worst. Thats just the internet to be honest. And here of all sites its hard to change that tradition. On the contrary turning some random mafia site into a cock fighting ring would be just as hard. Tradition is really hard to change even if we realize how awful it is because deep down we came to accept it, so when someone asks for a change, we may say "yeah sure" but really we dont care.
You would have to give slick some shock therapy for it to change his events with scumwood.
So i dont think you guys are cancer, anyone calling you is a hypocrite. Feel free to play here. I dont remember anything you 2 have done to be bad. I do remember mark callin me out for having a vendetta against him but i think i told him no, hopefully we cool.

Not going to make this some long drawn out thing but this site definitely shaped my young adult life and broke me out of the world's biggest naive bubble so after ten years I'd just like to say thank you dg.

actually going by the definition of meme most things we would encounter, especially during online communication, would qualify as a meme.
maybe youd understand that if you enjoyed normal human things like music.

sorry guys the internet left me again but its back now i think
im the one who asked for a sub
it looks like i can post now
6 pages of content in like almost 40 hours, im halfway through and so far I want to kill everyone that has posted
Literally everyone goes 'i disagree with x with no reasoning, i think y is scum with no reasoning', the only person so far that has posted reasoning is tyranno and somewhat malcolm, and tyranno is on the chopping block. I am very discouraged to keep reading.
Calling them as i see them, Soph, you should die for being a fuckign idiot. You posted absolutes with no reasoning, you are asked for a reason and you flat out deny. I am forced to decide if you're dumb or scum now.
Beast, same goes for you. You say you like some people and you dislike some people. WHY? You say you disagree with me. WHY? Why the fuck would i care about one liners that make no sense because they have 0 context. How the fuck would I be able to figure out if you are town or scum from that? Why are you making my life so difficult?
Lets read deeper into this shitshow

I am fucking serious about digbic and that'd be true whether I was town, scum, werewolf, or serial killer.
This is a yugioh forum right? How would you like it if people went into yugioh threads and posted nothing but crap about pokemon or my little pony, or anything but what the topic was about? If in a deck garage thread some just kept talking about how MTG was such a better card game and not giving any advice? If you were trying to play shrades but someone just kept talking when it was their turn to act the word out? All those examples are not using threads for their intended purpose or not playing the game the way it's supposed to be played, and that's exactly what digbick did. They had ZERO game relevant post right up until the time they died. They gave us no reads to go off. They placed no votes. They made no effort to live and defend their VERY IMPORTANT role. They are not playing mafia. And if you are posting in a mafia game thread but not playing, then that is not cool. This wouldn't be allowed in other sections, why the fuck is this allowed here?
And it's not like this was just a bad game or we bum rushed him to death, he does this ALL THE TIME. And makes zero effort to change this fact. As do certain other people, at least from what I've seen. I do not want to play with these types of people, I do not want these types of people in games I host, and I feel sorry for whoever gets them on their team even when I'm just spectating. They make the game unfun and hard to balance, you can't tell me anyone else with the role wouldn't have put up a fight before they went down. Town is already disadvantaged by getting a player like that, they got super disadvantaged by having that player get a power role, and the disadvantage goes off the charts when that player lets themselves die with the role, without giving reads, or attempting to play at all. This should be a punishable offense, and the rules should be updated to reflect this. Getting rid of players like this who make no effort to change their ways benefits the mafia section as a whole, personal feelings and attachments to those players aside.

Anyway
to sum up
If town doesnt care i cant care.
I still think Malcolm is scum. His posts since my call out are the bickering with faint about the vig where he is obviously right but game solving wise that discussion is completely null they are basically discussing game theory which is the easiest way a scum can go by
Faint's posts are all over the place logic wise but if malcolm is scum, Faint is never scum because Faint is the first person to call out Malcolm. Even if I disregard my read on malcolm, from a scum POV i cant see Faint deciding to take the initiative and poke the malcolm bear, he would obviously get annoyed and respond and all faint would do is bring attention to himself. That said i do find it weird that he chose to ignore malcolm's question on me/the vig.
Wunter kept saying he would post a list and kept postponing it, then when he posted insight it was just a soft push on one person, who responded, and Wunter backed down immidiately. The same wunter that last game as town conveyed problem solving day 1 and found scum, and proceeded to tunnel on him all game long. It seems very off to me to go from that to:
-okay maybe this guy is scum
-okay, here is a bullshit post providing 0 insight or strong opinions on anything ever in life!.
-Good post, I will back down for now!
like what is this life you're living
All that while Soph's posts are depressingly stupid. 'I dont think you're scum but you're the best lynch because info!' Please. I need my eyeballs to experience art and watch porn stop making me want to pluck them out with a pitchfork

GAME ANNOUNCEMENTS/REMINDERS:
- Self Voting is allowed - had discussed this w/ PSK in pms but this is to clear it up. I had it this way initially.
- Remember not to attack players, but the ideas instead; calm yourselves down before mashing the keyboard buttons, etc.
- Flavor is purely flavor and zero game relevant information will be included in flavor, barring death scenes if you consider that, but the role flips will be separated, of course. The flavor relevancy was mentioned in the Host Notes in the OP but may have been a little unclear, but the formatting from my posts so far have been flavor and then vote counts or game relevant info. I format flavoring as I have done it now, and is generally the only time I format posts like that. If you want to skip the flavor, that's fine, the game relevant stuff is at the end of my post and is clearly separated. Otherwise, enjoy the flavor - it's done differently.
I think that's it for now. Enjoy playing the game, guys!

Alright, so Ferguson was a mistake. I guess I'm going to go The Hill, instead. Maybe I can enjoy the Italian Culture once again, as if I don't see it enough down here...
...which I actually don't, surprisingly, besides the food...
...ANYWAY...
...The Hill!
Now, what all is at the Hill, you ask? Well, we've got...
Having had enough of The Hill (and from being creeped out by the ghost of Yogi Berra), I decide to drive nearby to Forest Park and see if things can get better from there...
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Vote Count 1.02
Jazz (L-4) Mascis, Malcolm, Sophocles
Malcolm (L-5) confuse rei, TheGoldenTyranno,
Wunterslaus (L-6) Jazz
Not voting: Solstice, Nelrick, SageRhapsody, Digbick, Wunterslaus, Winter Multi, iSlickz
Majority is 7.
I will be posting some game announcements/reminders shortly, getting some ducks in a row.

kay i couldnt sleep so i read somewhat and i regret it
islickz and jazz you are both being babies. Jazz is a little bit more.
apparently day ends in like 24h from now? lol Yeah i dont care what you guys do ill be back
Also before I forget, please, i ask this as a personal flavor for the future if you host a game please make sure there is very clear distinction between relevant information and flavor and dont make it a book I keep going back to reread it because ive missed info and its a fucking vanilla game.
Jazz your post says you disagree on me on my read on sage. I have not said sage was scummy i just said his posts were horrible. Unfortunately horrible =/= scum.
On malcolm, you say that he has pressured and asked questions. That is as far from the truth as it gets. The fact that he says he did doesnt make it the truth lmao
islickz, ive told you 100 times. Posting a trust list day 1. Isnt. a. fucking. scum. tell. That worked once, 4 years ago. This is the last warning. The next time I see you mention this in a thread, I will be policy lynching you. Its fucking annoying reading the same fucking idiotic nonsense line over and over and over again, telling you its nonsense, you ignoring it then doing it again. And for the record ive posted a list as well today. I also posted one last game day 1 when I was town. Not only are you not using your brain, you are not using your eyes as well.
Mascis, I am talking to you beyond your and my allignment. What you do is annoying and doesnt help the game. This goes beyond me getting a read or you being an amazing super duper player. In my opinion it goes against the spirit of the game to constantly post 1 liners that have 0 game relevance. It 'ruins' the game and it ruins my opinion of you as a person. Same goes for other people who do the exact same thing but you have gone out of your way this game to do such. Imagine if everyone posted like that. The community would be dead within 2-3 games.
I post A LOT of bullshit that have no place in serious discussion. But in between, i try to be relevant. Why cant you be a good person? Why cant you be cool like me?
I dont expect you to post 20 essays of utmost relevance. But I do expect you to make an effort, which is what I expect from everyone wanting to play this game.

Alright, so I pondered a bit on where to go to start my morning. I could have chosen downtown, University City, or the fucking airport out of all places. But no, I instead chose to go to the wonderful, playful, historic...
A little jumpstart to my day would never hurt, right? What is there in Ferguson? Well, there is...
...But wait, what is on the side of that building? Is it...HOLY SHIT!
MOTHERFUCKING HARAMBE!
"Waddup, Harambe?"
...
"Hello?..."
...
"...Oh, he must be sleeping. Let me just rub him on the head..."
"HEY, WHITE BOI!"
I turned around to see some protesters everywhere. Uh oh, is it a riot?
"THIS IS A RIOT, GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE, MAN!"
Oh shit, it is! I hurry back to my car as they start throwing beer bottles and other random shit at me; the funniest thing being Harambe's dislodged head. May you rest in peace, oh wonderful gorilla.
Some racial tension still lingers in this area, so it's probably for the best I leave while I still can.
I decide to turn around and head somewhere else. Maybe the zoo? The Hill? I'm hungry for some Italian cuisine anyway...
Vote Count 1.01:
Jazz (L-4) Mascis, Winter Multi, Malcolm
Tyranno (L-6) iSlickz
Malcolm (L-4) confuse rei, TheGoldenTyranno, Jazz
Wunterslaus (L-6) Sophocles
Not voting: Solstice, Nelrick, SageRhapsody, Digbick, Wunterslaus
Majority is 7.