I logged on with roughly 600k on my main character 'The Hatchetman'.
After spending my full 160 BA, I started buying my buyable BA. After buying and using it all (to fight), I now have "Cash: $662,209". Granted, I got up to ~720k after spending my first 160, but I still managed massive clan points, along with roughly four times the XP i would have gained spending my 160 alone. End result: Still made money (albeit not as much), massive CP, and tons of extra XP.

I'm sure someone is going to look at me and say "You've got the NUB, your income is way beyond that of non-NUBers!" But my BA also costs well over that of people playing without a bonus. Anyone running an NCB at the moment will suffer a loss to their cash should they choose to buy full BA everyday, but thus is the cost of making a run for the top...

I had a little over 2mill in cash a couple of days ago, used almost all my normal BA and bought every BA and I'm currently on 2.5mill, yes it is pretty worth it if you can use mre than a couple of sets of BA.

I wasn't saying i profited from buying BA. If you read closer, you will see that I simply said that I was still logging off with more money than i came on with. Meaning, you will make less money than you could, but you wouldn't LOSE anything as you still have more money upon exit than you do upon entry, and anybody able to log on twice a day should definitely have no problem.

Let's be very clear here: Yes, you can end up with a net amount of positive cash in a whole day, ostensibly augmenting your loss from buying BA with the gains from normally accrued BA.

But there is absolutely no way one can state: "I bought all of my BA, burned it within a half hour or so, and had more cash from rewards when done than when I started." It's simple math. If your average battle rewards are $200 in cash and the cost of your BA is $450 in cash, there is no way you can make money off that.

If you DO end up with more cash after burning your purchased BA, there are only three things I can think of to cause that:

-- You burn your purchased BA over several hours, such that your cash is growing also from naturally accruing BA fight rewards.
-- Someone is farming you very, very poorly and giving you lots and lots of wins during the time you are fighting.
-- Money was transferred to you during that time via rentals, auctions, another person, etc.

I see what you are saying, and you are right - non-NCB includes NUBers and NORMers, and for those, you will definitely still make money if you can log in enough. I would say you need more than just two sets of 160 to offset the BA cost, at least I do. Then again, I spend my purchased BA during high-experience times too, which really wallops the cash. Ammo cost can drain the cash flow too, so YMMV.

And Hatchet, as soon as you send me 60 million bucks, I'll buy two more minions. *smile*

Near the end of my NUB I was buying every bit of BA I had, and was still making about 2 mil/week. These days I barely scrounge up enough cash to buy my BA during wacky exp times and be able to rent some corns.

Before buying BA I had roughly 9,660,000 CB2.
After buying BA I had 9,164,064 (861 per BA * 576 BA)

After fighting and burning all the BA I now have 9,227,557

So, in essence my BA cost me 432,443 after fight rewards and 495,936 before. So, I only made 63,493 burning all my BA.

I fight well above my PR and max my rewards. The NCB BA costs are just about at the ridiculous stage. Especially when NUB chars are buying full BA and still netting 2 mil a day.

I am all for being fair to the new guys and giving them a chance at the top, I am not however cool with NUB players selling massive amounts of CB2 to us old timers merely to make some cash and then move on. The older players cannot compete in the market or with upgrades to our gear because of NCB BA costs and normal money gains.

And yes I fully realize the advantage that I have had by being here longer and being able to put NW into my stuff over time, however it took a LONG time for that to take place without USD involvement. AND, any older player who comes back after a hiatus (like me) has to spend enormous amounts of USD to start a NCB character and compete with brand new players.

I am not sure what I want to happen if anything, sometimes a good rant is just that a good rant.

for the record... I have no intentions of selling CB cash at any point. I don't plan to be in the running for the top, as it would be nearly impossible at this point, but I am going to use the bonus granted to gain a nice foothold in the game. Also, about me being too new to know about how Sutekh could hire 2 minions and be at the top, the idea was pointed out in chat by Bast.

I do it with on set of BA. I average $650 per win, and my BA costs me ~$800 each. buying 576 of this costs me a little over 460k. 576 + my original 160 = 736. 736 BA * $650 per win = $478,400. So I, at the very least, break even. That's if it only takes me 10 minutes or less. Buying/spending full BA usually takes me about an hour and 20-30 minutes. That's 8 or 9 BA refreshes (which is another 64-72 BA for me), which means another ~$41k - 47k. Add the lower end (~$41k) to what my total gain was (~478k) and you get roughly $519k. Subtract what i payed for BA (~$460k), and you get a net ammount of ~$59k more than you started with...

And I say 2 full sets because I realize my fight rewards are higher than average as most of the people on my list have score of over twice my PR.

I remember during mu NUB when I was fighting scores almost 3 times my PR I was making rediculous amounts of money. During regular time it was 800-1000 a fight, and I think my highest during money time was something like 1532. Crazy, definetly miss those days :D

NCB BA costs are brutal! At the end of my NCB Ba cost was 1148 each. I was spending over 1m every 2 days on BA. If you want to run an NCB for all it's worth have a good strat idea and a BIG nest egg. But now that my NCB has ended I am enjoying making $ from buying BA. Granted not a lot but I fight enough "free" sets of BA that I come out ahead at the end of the day.

Although on the other side, without investing any money at all, you can make enough to buy BA during wacky exp time and surpass 1 mil mpr with little difficulty. I have not hit 1 mil yet but I have ~2 months left to do ~400k mpr.

I would guess around 1.6 million right now, or higher. Bast reached around 1.55 million with some BA buying, some staggered minion buying, and getting great clan rewards.

If you stick single minion, use RoE, find targets, and join a nice clan, heavy fighting plus all BA purchases could land you close to 1.75 million, I should think. Then, invest another 30 million in a minion and be close to 2 million MPR. *smile*

Ok, point taken. But MPR purchases are never massive. They're only 10% of the XP of your largest minion. How much MPR is that really going to add?

I wish we had better data on calculating MPR.... we'd need a single minion with a lot of XP to really narrow it down..... possibly someone who's been keeping track of it as he built his character, and who might buy another minion at some point.

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