Really? I think Vettel and Hulk would be a great pairing. I'd naturally be rooting for Hulkenberg, but Vettel would be undisputed number 1 in the team then surely, not just suspected number 1. Wonder if Ferrari already have their eyes on Hulk though, after they let Perez slip away.

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I think Wibbaz time is coming to an end.. maybe another season after the next?? I personally think they'l be bringing new blood in through there young drivers scheme.. we just have to wait and see i suppose.

That's a big if. Hulkster would still have to raise his own game quite a lot to challenge Vettel and still Vettel would have the advantage because he's been at Red Bull for about a million years already while Hulkster would be in a new team.

well... considering this and the fact that kers will be worth much more power from 2014 onwoard - webbo should probably think about the retirement ;P

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I think the whole team is better off with Mark as he's been there forever and is part of the machine. Make no mistake, its the machine that is responsible for the success, not one driver. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, ya know? But I don't think the young Germans would have any trouble on a teammate level. Seb already drives alongside someone as capable of winning each race as he is. I suspect you'd see some first corner contact when they sit on the front row though, as Seb won't be guaranteed to get there first without Mark in the other car

Hang on! Hulkenberg hasnt won a race yet, he has had an oppurtunity and blown it. Vettel had a chance to win at Monza 08 and took it. You cant count your chickens before they hatch. Being a promising midfielder dosnt mean you are already champion.

Hang on! Hulkenberg hasnt won a race yet, he has had an oppurtunity and blown it. Vettel had a chance to win at Monza 08 and took it. You cant count your chickens before they hatch. Being a promising midfielder dosnt mean you are already champion.

That's a big if. Hulkster would still have to raise his own game quite a lot to challenge Vettel and still Vettel would have the advantage because he's been at Red Bull for about a million years already while Hulkster would be in a new team.

Thats true. Imagine if Ferrari signed Hulk and Vettel for 2014? Both joining a new team hulk would beat vettel.

Hang on! Hulkenberg hasnt won a race yet, he has had an oppurtunity and blown it. Vettel had a chance to win at Monza 08 and took it. You cant count your chickens before they hatch. Being a promising midfielder dosnt mean you are already champion.

.......yes indeed calm down on the hype , and lets see him develop a bit more first

Hulk is nowhere near Vettels level just yet. Just compare there second seasons in reasonably similarly competitive cars. Vettel took every chance we had and took a win when it came his way. Hulk blew his chance of a win with two major mistakes and was being out done by his team mate for the first half of the year. Remember as well that 2012 Hulk was a lot more older and experienced than 2008 Vettel. Vettel has improved a huge amount since then.

That's a big if. Hulkster would still have to raise his own game quite a lot to challenge Vettel and still Vettel would have the advantage because he's been at Red Bull for about a million years already while Hulkster would be in a new team.

Thats true. Imagine if Ferrari signed Hulk and Vettel for 2014? Both joining a new team hulk would beat vettel.

I can't help but laugh when people say things like this with such conviction. What are you basing this on!?

That's a big if. Hulkster would still have to raise his own game quite a lot to challenge Vettel and still Vettel would have the advantage because he's been at Red Bull for about a million years already while Hulkster would be in a new team.

Thats true. Imagine if Ferrari signed Hulk and Vettel for 2014? Both joining a new team hulk would beat vettel.

I can't help but laugh when people say things like this with such conviction. What are you basing this on!?

Really? I think Vettel and Hulk would be a great pairing. I'd naturally be rooting for Hulkenberg, but Vettel would be undisputed number 1 in the team then surely, not just suspected number 1. Wonder if Ferrari already have their eyes on Hulk though, after they let Perez slip away.

Really? I think Vettel and Hulk would be a great pairing. I'd naturally be rooting for Hulkenberg, but Vettel would be undisputed number 1 in the team then surely, not just suspected number 1. Wonder if Ferrari already have their eyes on Hulk though, after they let Perez slip away.

Hulk needs to prove himself in that Sauber before he can think of going to a top team.

edit: and also lol, i've been seeing a lot of baiting in the thread titles around here lately.

on both the points you've raised.

I only noticed Hulk recently, and was impressed with a couple of drives. If he continues in this vein next season it would be nice to see him perform in a v good car in 2014.

Ferrari is out (they've gone way overboard in the no. 1 driver stakes with Alonso - I wouldn't wish being his team mate on anyone), McLaren have already signed Perez as their 'up and coming' driver and Lotus have RoGro as the 'up and coming' driver. That only leaves Red Bull unless something changes at the other top teams.

Really? I think Vettel and Hulk would be a great pairing. I'd naturally be rooting for Hulkenberg, but Vettel would be undisputed number 1 in the team then surely, not just suspected number 1. Wonder if Ferrari already have their eyes on Hulk though, after they let Perez slip away.

Diablo, that's more of a comment than a new topic to be honest, could you elaborate exactly why Vettel would be in trouble? Hulkenberg is no slouch but I just don't see what a triple world champion has to fear from any driver on the grid, especially when he has been at the team for 5 seasons by the time 2014 arrives.

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I think the whole team is better off with Mark as he's been there forever and is part of the machine. Make no mistake, its the machine that is responsible for the success, not one driver. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, ya know? But I don't think the young Germans would have any trouble on a teammate level. Seb already drives alongside someone as capable of winning each race as he is. I suspect you'd see some first corner contact when they sit on the front row though, as Seb won't be guaranteed to get there first without Mark in the other car

Evidence points to Webber as not being as capable of winning each race as Vettel is

Hang on! Hulkenberg hasnt won a race yet, he has had an oppurtunity and blown it. Vettel had a chance to win at Monza 08 and took it. You cant count your chickens before they hatch. Being a promising midfielder dosnt mean you are already champion.

You could argue that Vettel didn't have a SC so the rest of the field could catch back up to him

I think the whole team is better off with Mark as he's been there forever and is part of the machine. Make no mistake, its the machine that is responsible for the success, not one driver. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, ya know? But I don't think the young Germans would have any trouble on a teammate level. Seb already drives alongside someone as capable of winning each race as he is. I suspect you'd see some first corner contact when they sit on the front row though, as Seb won't be guaranteed to get there first without Mark in the other car

Evidence points to Webber as not being as capable of winning each race as Vettel is

I think they go into every round with as much chance as each other. Same with qualifying. One seems to capitalize on those chances more than the other.

I think the whole team is better off with Mark as he's been there forever and is part of the machine. Make no mistake, its the machine that is responsible for the success, not one driver. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, ya know? But I don't think the young Germans would have any trouble on a teammate level. Seb already drives alongside someone as capable of winning each race as he is. I suspect you'd see some first corner contact when they sit on the front row though, as Seb won't be guaranteed to get there first without Mark in the other car

Evidence points to Webber as not being as capable of winning each race as Vettel is

I think they go into every round with as much chance as each other. Same with qualifying. One seems to capitalize on those chances more than the other.

That's a big if. Hulkster would still have to raise his own game quite a lot to challenge Vettel and still Vettel would have the advantage because he's been at Red Bull for about a million years already while Hulkster would be in a new team.

Thats true. Imagine if Ferrari signed Hulk and Vettel for 2014? Both joining a new team hulk would beat vettel.

I can't help but laugh when people say things like this with such conviction. What are you basing this on!?

I can't help but assume they're just baiting each other.

I can't help but assume that diablo is trying to bait you. Always with the countdown for some reason.

For instance Webber was beating Seb for half of 2012 and suddenly he was great again. But now Hulkenberg is no were near Vettel's league, does this mean that Webber is in Seb's league or not? Or is he the worst driver 4eva and eva again.