lol theres been a few of these Goku topics flying around, im a sucker to ignore.

First I feel pointing out goku hit namek with 180,000 power lvl. And his super Saiyajin was 3-4mill. You dont actually hear his full lvl, but you do know freeza hits over 2 mill. and goku experiencing this power for the first time was a bit noob with it, making him seem equal, when he was in fact much stronger. After this, the powerlvl ball park figure is pure speculation.

In the other discussion I briefly mentioned ss3 lvl and it being = to god. if you look at gotenks, or buu, who had the same lvl in power they could create anything their imagination brought them (special attacks, bending time and reality). So by my opinion ss3 was the strongest, I could never count ss4, I enjoyed gt, but I didnt agree with it. Or in fact Veggito would be the only thing stronger. (no gogeta, no "differnt debate :P"). Its how they used the power they have not experienced much of, and how far they take it.

It really feels dbz powers had the perfect design, while you can say something with the power of infinity could win. Goku had the potential to be infinite. Also looking at universes and which each belonged to. The Gods of Goku's universe were weaklings compared to him by the end of "DBZ". For any scale reference.

You could even say some sillyness like; a foe goku could not beat actually did show up, technically he could go sage mode sit in the center of the universe and pull the energy from reality, making a spiritbomb the size of who knows. instant transmission the to face. And if all else fails he could just instant transmission the world with a ball radar, and wish your ass goodbye. :P

Oh ya, and out of all this strength, dont forget that a little heart virus almost knocked him out.

Actually Gohan in his "mystic form" is stronger than SSJ3 Goku. Though SSJ Vegito is the strongest fused character in DBZ.

As far as raw power goes, I'd say you'd be hard pressed to find better than the top 3 DBZ fighters, namely Gohan, Goku and Vegeta.

However they are far easier to kill than people might think, they are not in any way immune to viruses/other non physical forms of attack(though they are resistant to mental attacks).

I'd say as far as a pain in the ass to kill would be end of series Alucard.

I've we're speaking based on his speed, physical strength, and ki power against same powered opponent, then I think I agree. There's seemingly no limit to how powerful he can actually get, especially considering SSJ is a multiplier and not a level up.

thats a funny chart, krillin could handle 90% of them. The most ultimate thing in dbz is shenlong? Your other universes should compensate to match the power of all mighty god power. If you have the power to end my reality I have the balls in my pocket to create it. What if you were wished immortal? yay discussions with no mutual answer.

thats a funny chart, krillin could handle 90% of them. The most ultimate thing in dbz is shenlong? Your other universes should compensate to match the power of all mighty god power. If you have the power to end my reality I have the balls in my pocket to create it. What if you were wished immortal? yay discussions with no mutual answer.

The pic only illustrate the type of power the character has, not to fight Goku...

Reality-warpers from Group I-Z can rewrite or destroy the laws of the universe in an instant and make them nigh invincible while they are at it. Wished to be immortal using the Dragon Ball? I can bend reality to make you more feeble than a baby while retaining your immortality and torture you until you beg me to erase you from existence. If you are still using the Dragon Ball argument, reality-warpers can just rewrite the natural laws and deny its ability to grant wishes.

BTW, Shenlong is not omnipotent as he claimed that there are wishes that cannot granted or laws that cannot bend/break.

3) Debates on the strongest anime character. "It's Goku. It's Goku right?" Rinse, and repeat several more times each passing year. Sometimes changing the answer on which characters might be stronger then Goku. Maybe this year we'll add Asura from Asura's Wrath. Technically an anime anyways.

This is probably the oldest anime debate I know. Goku vs. everyone. It would probably be more interesting if people started drawing their debates of Goku vs. everyone and showing both sides of winning and losing for him. Just to put some spice into this old debate. Maybe pick a Goku from different eras to make them more evenly matched, rather then the very end of DBZ where he's at his prime.

This. And besides, DBZ is probably one of the worst series I've ever seen... The first Dragonball was ok, but DBZ is so drawn out and over the top it's beyond ridiculous, I had to stop watching, it was either that or willfully going insane just for the sake of having seen all of it... Not a hard choice I assure you.

Had your statement been that Goku is the most over-the-top munchkin of all time, then you would had been 100% correct.

Absolute truth hes not omnipotent, he claimed his powers cannot succeed the powers of his creator. tho there is/was more then one "eternal dragon" I should have used that more basic term. And thus the point being its a rather difficult discussion on reality bending, when you're mixing universes, especially when were talking about beings with powers that have/can created their own dimensions, compared to beings that can end them. and for pure nonsense, I hope those reality warpers can write faster then the decimels of a second that it would take to annihilate them.

Absolute truth hes not omnipotent, he claimed his powers cannot succeed the powers of his creator. tho there is/was more then one "eternal dragon" I should have used that more basic term. And thus the point being its a rather difficult discussion on reality bending, when you're mixing universes, especially when were talking about beings with powers that have/can created their own dimensions, compared to beings that can end them. and for pure nonsense, I hope those reality warpers can write faster then the decimels of a second that it would take to annihilate them.

Quite franky.. If the reality warpers were good or evil, they would have already axed off the well-known fighters of the opposite order before they could get in the way.

The strongest character of all would be.. One who is immortal and can rewrite the world. Because.. Immortality really gains you nothing. Warping reality can be good, but what if you can die regardless? So it has to be both.