The wealthy are wealthy because they made choices in life which proved fruitful. They chose to reduce cost and expenditures, sell more and invest in other like minded businesses.

The wealthy don't like spending their money, none of us do. Not one of us here like losing money, much less see others spend our money, so it is safe to say we don't like paying taxes.

Now let's look at what expenditures were reduced. The work force is an expenditure, quality is an expense, so to is taxation.

So when you reduce your work force and increase your production and sell more, you increase profits. Simple right? Of course it is, or not!

Your costumers are the work force. The man and woman who works 40 hours a week, and is suppose to be paid a living wage which allows them to help you shoulder the tax burden, after all... Without taxation, you have no government to provide roads and bridges to get your product to the store, much less the costumer.

So if you reduced the wage earner, knowing that they were the ones who helped lift your burdens, why are you crying about being the only ones left holding up the world?

Robert, is it rape first and pillage second, or pillage first and then rape?

I'm updating a capitalist business model and I want to make sure I have it correct.

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Robert, everything you wrote after "Robert Heilbroner" was a waste of bandwidth.

I gave you the extra credit points because you had the correct answer, but unfortunately, you lost those, and then some, with the rest of your post.

BTW, you may want to do some research to verify this, but capitalism hasn't died.

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Since I've blocked most everyone, like RH, I'm much happier too. I've said it before. Arguing with idiots is a waste of time and energy. They never learn cause they already know everything.

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Since relieving myself of the burden of caring about what clueless forum posters write I have been much happier.

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Good:

Please. Robert Heilbroner was a follower of hard socialism, not mixed economies.

So of course if you are to look at what he wanted as socialism and what we have today as capitalism, capitalism won. But it didn't win, both died and now we are arguing about how much of each flag do we dress what remains in.

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Bonus point time- Name the famous socialist/economist who wrote the following:

"Less than 75 years after it officially began, the contest between capitalism and socialism is over: capitalism has won... Capitalism organizes the material affairs of humankind more satisfactorily than socialism."

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Behold the fate of those who do not provide the basics for the masses.

No one is saying that this is a good thing, only that the US came uncomfortly close to joining the ranks of Nazi Germany's allies. Why? Because the workers here remembered the sufferings under the robber Barron's, which grew the unions, which at the time were largely made up of first generation Americans from Germany.

Revolutions don't always work the first time, but if they keep happening, they catch fire and stay light.

Right now we still have a moist pile of wood... But the greed of the right and the uncompermizing ideals of the libertarian parties will dry that moistur up and before long, you will make this nation radical enough to not stop with strong unions which you might be able to best down...

We Americans are good at adapting things... Scary good. Get the wrong people into power as a result of your greed and you won't recognize this nation, nor will you be able to win it back with the use of blood or pen.

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Damn them Robber Barons!

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Good:

So you have read someone and play to his play book. Great for you. There is a reason why his ideals were rejected and why liberalism as he would have it is no better than communism.

His ideals were born out of the same era as hard socialism, communism and capitalism. None of these systems can survive on their own.

Nazi germany, the soviet union and the US proved this with the fall of first the robber Barron's, the nazi party and then the soviet union.

Mixed economies where by the basic needs of people are met, with enough left over to generate demand to make more stuff is the only way to keep people employed.

If you follow Mises's ideals as uncompermizing-ly as he spoke them, you will have the same failure as we had with the robber Barron's.

The libertarian ideals he and his followers approve of would have us do away with worker protections which will bring about high unemployment, children working in mines or other places, in conditions which will have both losing life and limb, because it makes someone else profit.

His ideals are the robber Barron's, get away with what ever you can, rape and pillage the people for what ever they are worth and you are a good capitalist.

Sorry, humanity evolved beyond that and we aren't returning to the days of rule by the gold in your pocket.

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"The captain is the consumer…the consumers determine precisely what should be produced, in what quality, and in what quantities…They are merciless egoistic bosses, full of whims and fancies, changeable and unpredictable. For them nothing counts other than their own satisfaction…In their capacity as buyers and consumers they are hard-hearted and callous, without consideration for other people…"

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