I thought the "Is it the REDBULL or is it VETTEL ?" had merit to it, only the posters wrongfully claimed it was trolling. the OP had valid data to back up his claim and i think was just there to discuss.

I thought the "Is it the REDBULL or is it VETTEL ?" had merit to it, only the posters wrongfully claimed it was trolling. the OP had valid data to back up his claim and i think was just there to discuss.

why was it locked?

I guess because the only purpose of the thread was to bash Vettel? I think had the OP not have been trying to bait Vettel fans for the last few days the thread may have been given the benefit of the doubt. These calls are always tricky though.

However, there is something that has negatively surprised me, and it's the merger of the thread "You have to admire Kimi" with the general Kimi thread and its qualification by P-F1 Mod as Admiration thread, a concept that I thought did not exist on PF1 and rightly so.

It must be said that this thread had been kept in an absolutely civilized way. Now I don't think the official thread is the right place for continuing the discussion, specially if you are not FOR the OP's opinion.

Could it bne possible that you clarify the rules on that matter and when a thread could be classified as "Admiration thread"? If you ask me, I would prefer NOT to have Admiration threads on this forum, drivers official websites are a better place for them.

Has anyone else noticed the forum getting a bit resource hungry on the computer?

I tried to do something yesterday, something I've done before no problems only this time I had PF-1 open as well as my normal firefox tabs and the computer locked out.

Same again this morning I have my usual few tabs open, a few programs running in the background as usual but PF1 is sloooowing it all down. But if I open a different website or indeed forum and close PF1 it's fine

However, there is something that has negatively surprised me, and it's the merger of the thread "You have to admire Kimi" with the general Kimi thread and its qualification by P-F1 Mod as Admiration thread, a concept that I thought did not exist on PF1 and rightly so.

It must be said that this thread had been kept in an absolutely civilized way. Now I don't think the official thread is the right place for continuing the discussion, specially if you are not FOR the OP's opinion.

Could it bne possible that you clarify the rules on that matter and when a thread could be classified as "Admiration thread"? If you ask me, I would prefer NOT to have Admiration threads on this forum, drivers official websites are a better place for them.

Porsan, I think that P-F1 Mod referred to that thread as the "Admiration" thread just as a shortening of its original name, "You have to admire Kimi". We do not have Admiration threads, just official ones; and in principle, official threads are open for discussion of different points of view, that is, they are open for admiration and for criticism.

The only difference is that we are more strict with the "no trolling" rule in official threads that in other threads. And just to clarify this matter, we are more strict with all type of trolling, whether it is directed to the driver or team the thread is dedicated to or to their rivals.

PS All of the above is, of course, subject to the boss's approval And thanks for your kind words towards us!

However, there is something that has negatively surprised me, and it's the merger of the thread "You have to admire Kimi" with the general Kimi thread and its qualification by P-F1 Mod as Admiration thread, a concept that I thought did not exist on PF1 and rightly so.

It must be said that this thread had been kept in an absolutely civilized way. Now I don't think the official thread is the right place for continuing the discussion, specially if you are not FOR the OP's opinion.

Could it bne possible that you clarify the rules on that matter and when a thread could be classified as "Admiration thread"? If you ask me, I would prefer NOT to have Admiration threads on this forum, drivers official websites are a better place for them.

Porsan, I think that P-F1 Mod referred to that thread as the "Admiration" thread just as a shortening of its original name, "You have to admire Kimi". We do not have Admiration threads, just official ones; and in principle, official threads are open for discussion of different points of view, that is, they are open for admiration and for criticism.

The only difference is that we are more strict with the "no trolling" rule in official threads that in other threads. And just to clarify this matter, we are more strict with all type of trolling, whether it is directed to the driver or team the thread is dedicated to or to their rivals.

PS All of the above is, of course, subject to the boss's approval And thanks for your kind words towards us!

Quick question/suggestion - I've just been informed by another forum member that some possibly racism words will result in a ban. After reviewing the forum rules, the nearest I can find is this:

Quote:

1 Trolling, spam, inappropriate content and abuse will result in a series of disciplinary actions being taken against you. First a warning, then a temporary ban [both of which can be bypassed if necessary], and finally a permanent ban for persistent offenders. For those who missed the earlier warnings, the 'Flavio Thong' photo is inappropriate. Also, please note allegations of fanboyism and trolling are not appropriate. Report them, fine. DO NOT call them out in the threads.

If you have seen my posts I am referring to, you will see that the words are not aimed at anyone, so is not abuse but could be taken as inappropriate content (although due to the nature of the thread, is not inappropriate to the discussion itself)

If you look at this as needing disciplinary actions, fair enough. But at the same time, now the swear filter has been removed, would it be worth tweaking rule 1 to include a list of inappropriate language or specific words in a kind of appendices further down the rules thread to be referenced if needs be?

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Hey Mods, I was just wondering if you would be able to slowly outlaw two things said on these forums as for me as a reader, they often deter me from reading any further into a thread.

The first of which is when someone claims that a thread is a "<insert driver's name> bashing thread." Whether or not it is, it is equally annoying to read, and I'm sure I speak on behalf of most forum members when I say that.

Secondly, I've seen a few people jump the gun when they talk down about the merit of one driver, by saying "did you feel that way when <insert driver's name> won?" Implying that they are only talking down the merit of a driver based on their distaste for said driver.

Even a reply on the subject in general would be appreciated. Cheers.

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Misinformed, I believe the first thing you mentioned is already banned - accusations of bashing are against the rules, and that extends to threads.

I don't think we could or should do anything against your second point though. We want to keep things as civil as possible but a forum is for debating at the end of the day, and I think if we started deleted things like that we'd be overstepping the boundaries and heading into censorship territory.

Quick question/suggestion - I've just been informed by another forum member that some possibly racism words will result in a ban. After reviewing the forum rules, the nearest I can find is this:

Quote:

1 Trolling, spam, inappropriate content and abuse will result in a series of disciplinary actions being taken against you. First a warning, then a temporary ban [both of which can be bypassed if necessary], and finally a permanent ban for persistent offenders. For those who missed the earlier warnings, the 'Flavio Thong' photo is inappropriate. Also, please note allegations of fanboyism and trolling are not appropriate. Report them, fine. DO NOT call them out in the threads.

If you have seen my posts I am referring to, you will see that the words are not aimed at anyone, so is not abuse but could be taken as inappropriate content (although due to the nature of the thread, is not inappropriate to the discussion itself)

If you look at this as needing disciplinary actions, fair enough. But at the same time, now the swear filter has been removed, would it be worth tweaking rule 1 to include a list of inappropriate language or specific words in a kind of appendices further down the rules thread to be referenced if needs be?

We'll look into it for you.

Zoue wrote:

why, if I want to paste a table, does the formatting look fine in Preview mode but go to hell in a hand cart the minute I post?

Hey mods, big shout out for a generally great job by all you guys in keeping the forum afloat. Can't imagine it's an easy job!!My query is could we have some sort of sticky called The Question Thread? I often have the odd question or two, but they don't warrant starting a brand new thread, and they seldom have anything to do with current topics.

No disprespect but I feel you guys are a little too trigger-happy on the lock-button.Perfectly fine if the thread itself is, or the post in it are, breaking some forum rules, but not when it's a personal opionion like:viewtopic.php?f=3&t=5023&p=176456#p176456

"This feels too much like clutching at straws. Locked."

I have nothing to do with the mentioned thread, it's just an example of a thread that IMO could have been allowed to run it's own course. If it doesn't have anything worth discussing it will be on page 17 pretty soon and out of "harm's way".

It was borderline trolling, and the thread was going nowhere. The crucial word there being 'borderline', hence I didn't directly say it. Sadly threads like that tend to be the ones that snowball into bigger arguments, so while we've left some of the contentious threads active in the hope the debate remains civil, I elected to nip that one in the bud.

I accept my wording could have been better, however, and for that I apologise.

The FIA has closed the loophole that allowed Red Bull to use engine mapping to gain a performance improvement, after the issue was highlighted hours before the start of last week's German Grand Prix in Hockenheim.

Following the controversy at the previous race in Monaco where the floor of the Red Bull car was judged to be illegal, world motorsport's governing body the FIA have ruled that the front wheel hub did not comply with Formula 1 regulations despite the design having been on the car since the start of the season.

On 3 occasions in one season they have been found to be borderline and in one case illegal, is this trolling, by asking the view of fellow posters? Would this years constructors championship be tarnished by this?

I feel Mod you are overly trigger happy to just say this post is a troll or spam... I do wonder sometimes if people forget the way Red Bull conduct themselves.

You just cited the reason we locked the thread - 3 broken rules just became one. The thread wasn't going anywhere, mainly as a result of this. You will notice we didn't elect to sanction you for the thread, despite its troll-like appearance, for the reasons you pointed out for opening the thread in the first place.

I did report the below-quoted post, but I would really like to see how you mods deal with such behavior and attacking on the forum

If he is allowed to attack other members in such a way, I think we should tell all the members that the red line extends even further in terms of not respecting your fellow forumers.

Now let's see how this goes

MistaVega23 wrote:

F1nsider wrote:

He is almost single handedly putting them at the 4th in standings, generated so much hype about the team, gained them millions and millions of fans and put Lotus under the spot lights so many times this year, being on the podium almost half of the races. And there's no doubt of his contribution of them getting the newly sponsorship signed with Coca-Cola

Millions and millions of fans? Dream on.

Podiums in almost half the races? If you think 7 is 'almost half' of 19 then you need your head checked.

And no doubt of his contribution to Lotus getting the new sponsorship deal with Coca-Cola? Yes because he absolutely LOVES doing PR work, doesn't he?

Fanboys.

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F1nsider - I was not the moderator who dealt with your report but hopefully they will able to be respond to your post soon. I must warn you though that we treat any private correspondence between a moderator and forum member as confidential so that will limit how well your query may be answered. This is not a public courtroom.

F1nsider - I was not the moderator who dealt with your report but hopefully they will able to be respond to your post soon. I must warn you though that we treat any private correspondence between a moderator and forum member as confidential so that will limit how well your query may be answered. This is not a public courtroom.

To be fair I posted this reply immediately after reporting the post. I'm not criticizing any mod's action. And I hope I won't need too. But I think those kind of users we can do without. I can understand the hatred some members have towards drivers, but why direct that directly at their fans and attacking them

I've seen some good members go from this forum for much smaller reasons, I just hope his actions are not left unpunished

EDIT: I know each forum has its own rules which I respect. But I think other members need to know the limits here so they can self moderate. If someone like the poster I reported just simply got perma-banned or something, who would know why did he get that? That's if anyone noticed that he disappeared.

I think it's just fair. And I'm not asking for a public trial, but we've seen this happening a lot, and personally I got my fair share of attacks but I didn't even bother to report and i see the same members roaming around freely attacking other members without consequences