Depends on what you consider a five. Some people would only consider a Hitachi a five and others (like myself) take Hitachi out of consideration when rating other products so they have a fair shot. LOL! But if strong is what you're after, Hitachi is the king of that. Other wand vibrators will also be your strongest toys. They are external use though, and I don't know if that's what you're looking for.

I prefer the Eroscillator to the Hitachi. The Hitachi is just too loud for me, and it's a complete turn off. Might actually be used only as a vibrating massager for my back. I know the Eros is expensive, but it's really worth it.

And for answering the question why there isn't more toys rated 5 is that the top powerful toys aren't usually battery powered but directly plugged in an outlet in order to deliver POWER.

Individual reviewers might rate something a five, but unless the majority do, it's going to pull down the average.

(I'm always amused when some reviewer accidentally gives a Vroom or Bee level to something like a glass dildo. Since that's the only rating it has, it'll show up in the information box for that item for the future. )

And people rate vrooms differently. There are lots of products that have "4 vrooms" that might be weaker or stronger than each other - since they have different motors / construction and 1-5 has a bit of wiggle-room in each "class".

I almost think the system needs to be expanded to 1-10 instead or at least something to take care of wands.

The two small Rock Star Vibes are very powerful - I think its Joni and Patti? I'll be doing a video review today of them with the rest of the Rock Star line. When I hold them in my hand and have my elbow on the desk, I can feel the vibrations in the desk about 6" away from my elbow.

And depending on how much you need, consider 4-vroom toys. For instance, MiMi and Tango/Salasa are very powerful, but I don't rate them as 5 vrooms because I guess I save
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Do a "refine by" with 5 vrooms.

There are some.

And depending on how much you need, consider 4-vroom toys. For instance, MiMi and Tango/Salasa are very powerful, but I don't rate them as 5 vrooms because I guess I save that for wands and such.

This link might work

There are 71 5 vroom toys on there. I think that's quite a lot.

Also, remember that vrooms are subjective. The Tango and Salsa are the exact same motor - so why one is 5 and one is 4 vrooms, I dunno.

Vrooms should NOT be subjective. I don't understand this. Either it's the strength of a Hitachi or, if you rather, significantly more powerful than every other toy or it's not. The simple answer in terms of vroom discrepancy is that the reviewer hasn't tried the Hitachi or anything similar.

Vrooms should NOT be subjective. I don't understand this. Either it's the strength of a Hitachi or, if you rather, significantly more powerful than every other toy or it's not. The simple answer in terms of vroom discrepancy is that the
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Vrooms should NOT be subjective. I don't understand this. Either it's the strength of a Hitachi or, if you rather, significantly more powerful than every other toy or it's not. The simple answer in terms of vroom discrepancy is that the reviewer hasn't tried the Hitachi or anything similar.

I agree. I don't take anything out of the equation when I'm rating vrooms. I now use my MiMi as a standardizing tool. (I rated my MiMi as 4 vrooms) When I do my reviews I not only rate the vrooms, I also state what level it is comparable to on the MiMi. (And whether it's buzzier, rumblier or about the same frequency of vibrations.)

I really have to be careful when reading people's reviews as far as vrooms ratings go. I usually take those with a grain of salt unless it's someone whose opinion of power I know and share. I also think it all depends on what you've experienced in toys. If you've only ever experienced a 1 vroom toy, you'll think a 3 vroomer is out of this world.

The subjective nature of vroom ratings is frustrating to me when I'm reading reviews, so I just do my homework on the actual reviewer. It shouldn't be subjective, but there's no way to standardize them. (Unless we all get a tool that you can point at a toy and get a read out of how strong it is, kind of like those laser/infrared thermometers.)

I can't really think of a way to get the vroom levels totally standard unless one toy or a set was picked as standard. I don't think that would ever work, because it would exclude newer reviewers and plenty of seasoned ones who might not have the same tastes.

When I write reviews, I try to compare the vrooms to other toys. MiMi is my gold standard for a top level 4-vroom. However, although the Fresh was a teeny bit weaker, I didn't feel it was a full drop to 3 vrooms. Thus, Wiggle Room.

And as I said, the 1-5 has wiggle room. The Hitachi is NOT the standard for a "5". Some might use it as such, but it's not universal. Stainedclear, a reviewer I love, doesn't include wands in her 1-5 scale and says so. Wands are superpowered and no other vibes are going to touch that.

I don't have the Hitachi, but I have the Fairy and it's stupidly stronger in raw power than MiMi, yet MiMi is about my top cap for "normal" toys so far (Uma is a wee, wee bit stronger). I am never going to find THAT much power in a not-massager.

I use the description that Eden provides to rate vrooms as well, just like I do for bees.

1. Very mild, extremely low level vibration, great for newbies, foreplay and extra sensitive areas.
2. A lower-level intensity that provides light stimulation but can be still felt in most internal and external spots.
3. Moderate vibration, good for overall body usage, average in intensity and probably suitable for most individuals.
4. Strong and easily felt vibrations that powerfully stimulate but are not "earth-shaking&qu ot;
5. This car's outta control! Extremely strong, highly intense powerful vibration, probably too intense for most.

Those descriptions make vrooms subjective. Why ? Because anatomy differs. And so does experience. Not to mention different frequencies and types of vibration feeling stronger. Like the question "Is the Eroscilator a 5 vroom toy ?" You can look at it different ways and everyone will have a different answer.

I wanted a strong toy, so I read a lot of reviews and read different points of view - both from people who thought a toy was strong, to those who thought it was weak. I imagine if a standard was picked, everyone would disagree anyway, because people do physically experience the sensations differently and THAT makes it "subjective" no matter what unless you gave everyone the same anatomy. It might be the pitch or material or the toy being a certain size in relation to someone's parts, there are too many factors.

I agree. I don't take anything out of the equation when I'm rating vrooms. I now use my MiMi as a standardizing tool. (I rated my MiMi as 4 vrooms) When I do my reviews I not only rate the vrooms, I also state what level it is comparable
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I agree. I don't take anything out of the equation when I'm rating vrooms. I now use my MiMi as a standardizing tool. (I rated my MiMi as 4 vrooms) When I do my reviews I not only rate the vrooms, I also state what level it is comparable to on the MiMi. (And whether it's buzzier, rumblier or about the same frequency of vibrations.)

I really have to be careful when reading people's reviews as far as vrooms ratings go. I usually take those with a grain of salt unless it's someone whose opinion of power I know and share. I also think it all depends on what you've experienced in toys. If you've only ever experienced a 1 vroom toy, you'll think a 3 vroomer is out of this world.

The subjective nature of vroom ratings is frustrating to me when I'm reading reviews, so I just do my homework on the actual reviewer. It shouldn't be subjective, but there's no way to standardize them. (Unless we all get a tool that you can point at a toy and get a read out of how strong it is, kind of like those laser/infrared thermometers.)

I really need to feel a Mimi that isn't broken. LMFAO

I usually wind up reading reviews and assuming that what people rate a toy is one more room than I would rate it. So all these 5-vroom toys are what I'd rate 4.. maybe.

I can't really think of a way to get the vroom levels totally standard unless one toy or a set was picked as standard. I don't think that would ever work, because it would exclude newer reviewers and plenty of seasoned ones who
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^ Yep.

I can't really think of a way to get the vroom levels totally standard unless one toy or a set was picked as standard. I don't think that would ever work, because it would exclude newer reviewers and plenty of seasoned ones who might not have the same tastes.

When I write reviews, I try to compare the vrooms to other toys. MiMi is my gold standard for a top level 4-vroom. However, although the Fresh was a teeny bit weaker, I didn't feel it was a full drop to 3 vrooms. Thus, Wiggle Room.

And as I said, the 1-5 has wiggle room. The Hitachi is NOT the standard for a "5". Some might use it as such, but it's not universal. Stainedclear, a reviewer I love, doesn't include wands in her 1-5 scale and says so. Wands are superpowered and no other vibes are going to touch that.

I don't have the Hitachi, but I have the Fairy and it's stupidly stronger in raw power than MiMi, yet MiMi is about my top cap for "normal" toys so far (Uma is a wee, wee bit stronger). I am never going to find THAT much power in a not-massager.

I use the description that Eden provides to rate vrooms as well, just like I do for bees.

1. Very mild, extremely low level vibration, great for newbies, foreplay and extra sensitive areas.2. A lower-level intensity that provides light stimulation but can be still felt in most internal and external spots.3. Moderate vibration, good for overall body usage, average in intensity and probably suitable for most individuals.4. Strong and easily felt vibrations that powerfully stimulate but are not "earth-shaking&qu ot;5. This car's outta control! Extremely strong, highly intense powerful vibration, probably too intense for most.

Those descriptions make vrooms subjective. Why ? Because anatomy differs. And so does experience. Not to mention different frequencies and types of vibration feeling stronger. Like the question "Is the Eroscilator a 5 vroom toy ?" You can look at it different ways and everyone will have a different answer.

I wanted a strong toy, so I read a lot of reviews and read different points of view - both from people who thought a toy was strong, to those who thought it was weak. I imagine if a standard was picked, everyone would disagree anyway, because people do physically experience the sensations differently and THAT makes it "subjective" no matter what unless you gave everyone the same anatomy. It might be the pitch or material or the toy being a certain size in relation to someone's parts, there are too many factors.

But you can't really take it out of the equation because then someone who is comparing the Hitachi to the G-ki for example (which I recall having some 5-vrooms ratings) is going to come on the site and think they're the same strength. Of course plug-in styles are stronger but that scale is what we're given to work with and we have to make everything fit on it. You take anything out of the equation and you're not giving a broad picture. As a consumer, that is what is useful to me and not everyone takes time to read multiple reviews or even to read one.

The descriptions do make ratings more subjective than they should be because how the hell does one person know what's going to be "good for most people?" And what does "can be still felt in most internal and external spots" even mean? That scale is not very useful IMO.

The problem is, even if you broke it down to something like RPM, even toys with the same specs are going to vary - different motors, materials, tickness, shape.

Vrooms give you a general rating, and I don't expect any more from them. Kind of like how a toy can be 5-stars, but not be a 5-star toy for ME. Or how a 2-star toy can have someone it worked great for.

As a reviewer, you can read the reviews of others to get an idea of what different people need and how they rate things - giving you a picture of what the "average" person needs. I've learned quite a lot that way. Research before writing helps consumers.

If a customer doesn't want to do their own research, they get what they get. It's like any product. You can rate a computer as "slow, moderate, fast" - but it's up to the customer to read reviews and look at specs and see if it will work for THEM.

Vrooms and reviews are OPINIONS, and that's always a degree of risk that the customer should accept and understand. And not doing any research about a product and taking one opinion on it as if it's completely perfect is ALWAYS going to be a risk, no matter if you're buying a sex toy, bike lock, or chainsaw.

I understand your frustration, and I'm not trying to say you're wrong - but there's really no way to get what can only exist as a general opinion rating to be more than that.

I prefer the Eroscillator to the Hitachi. The Hitachi is just too loud for me, and it's a complete turn off. Might actually be used only as a vibrating massager for my back. I know the Eros is expensive, but it's really worth it.

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I prefer the Eroscillator to the Hitachi. The Hitachi is just too loud for me, and it's a complete turn off. Might actually be used only as a vibrating massager for my back. I know the Eros is expensive, but it's really worth it.

And for answering the question why there isn't more toys rated 5 is that the top powerful toys aren't usually battery powered but directly plugged in an outlet in order to deliver POWER.

I, too, prefer the Eroscillator to the Hitachi. They both have plug-in power but the Eroscillator let's you apply it to a smaller, more sensitive area.

08/09/2012

Mr. John

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I have not found any on this site? If you know of any good ones could you suggest some to me? Thanks.

My wife's all time favorite toy is the Eroscillator 2 deluxe with the grapes attachment. It has all the power she needs.