I meant that more from a salary-matching perspective in trade, as opposed to actual dollar value.

If the Raps are gung-ho to make a trade and Calderon isn't generating enough return, I could see them turning to Lowry as the trade asset instead.

I actually thought that Memphis might value decent young players on super cheap contracts, that Boston could offer (Sullinger, Bradley, Melo). Davis & Sullinger could be good insurance for Gasol & Randolph. Such a deal would also make Arthur expendable, possibly to be used in a subsequent trade for a wing (ie: I wonder if Arthur to Denver for Chandler could work for both Denver & Memphis).

That is where I now want no part of Gay. If Lowry is gone, getting Gay makes even less sense than it could now be argued.

My point is more this: why trade a lottery pick for a guy in his prime with 2 years left on his deal if you aren't going to use him properly or play him in a system that benefits him? You aren't going to change a guy like Lowry. He is what he is. Lowry is, in fact, playing some of the best ball of his career and no one is happy with him. That's fine but it makes you wonder what the hell Colangelo was thinking when he did this deal in the first place.

Couldn't agree more. Devlin and Jack Armstrong went on for a couple of minutes during last night's broadcast on how bad Lowry has been coming off the bench. I checked the game logs for the last 15 games, the ones where he's the backup, and he's averaging 16.5 points and 8.8 assists per 36 minutes (my calculations). And he's shooting 45% from three. That's GOOD! I also compared his Per 36 minutes stats with Damian Lillard, for example, he seems to be everybody's favourite, and Lowry's are better across the board. Lowry's played well this year considering the circumstances. We need to move on from the Calderon era. And I want a crappy point guard to back Lowry up (wait, we already have one). I'm tired of point guard controversies.

Couldn't agree more. Devlin and Jack Armstrong went on for a couple of minutes during last night's broadcast on how bad Lowry has been coming off the bench. I checked the game logs for the last 15 games, the ones where he's the backup, and he's averaging 16.5 points and 8.8 assists per 36 minutes (my calculations). And he's shooting 45% from three. That's GOOD! I also compared his Per 36 minutes stats with Damian Lillard, for example, he seems to be everybody's favourite, and Lowry's are better across the board. Lowry's played well this year considering the circumstances. We need to move on from the Calderon era. And I want a crappy point guard to back Lowry up (wait, we already have one). I'm tired of point guard controversies.

To them, Lowry was bad because he is not Jose Calderon.

Matt and Jack, i think more Jack in particular, i think, both have affinity for guys who are team-oriented, nice and clean cut guys. And Jack is very old school. So i guess to them, Lowry's bullish, aggressive type of play wont get it done.

Matt and Jack, i think more Jack in particular, i think, both have affinity for guys who are team-oriented, nice and clean cut guys. And Jack is very old school. So i guess to them, Lowry's bullish, aggressive type of play wont get it done.

I don't completely agree with your assessment. I think a lot of people - myself included - see the primary responsibility of a PG to be that of a true floor general, who initiates the offense and gets the entire team going in the team's offensive flow. Obviously Calderon is much better and getting more out of each player and the 5-man unit than Lowry. I think PGs like Lowry are better served as 2nd unit PGs, where their scoring ability can often take centre stage. The problem with the starting PG being too scoring-centric, is that sometimes the rest of the team's offense stagnates and it winds up being 1-on-5 offensively.

I agree that it's an old-school approach, but I think it's more the pass-first VS score-first style of PG debate. I don't think the "nice and clean cut guys" factors into their analysis though.

Couldn't agree more. Devlin and Jack Armstrong went on for a couple of minutes during last night's broadcast on how bad Lowry has been coming off the bench. I checked the game logs for the last 15 games, the ones where he's the backup, and he's averaging 16.5 points and 8.8 assists per 36 minutes (my calculations). And he's shooting 45% from three. That's GOOD! I also compared his Per 36 minutes stats with Damian Lillard, for example, he seems to be everybody's favourite, and Lowry's are better across the board. Lowry's played well this year considering the circumstances. We need to move on from the Calderon era. And I want a crappy point guard to back Lowry up (wait, we already have one). I'm tired of point guard controversies.

I don't completely agree with your assessment. I think a lot of people - myself included - see the primary responsibility of a PG to be that of a true floor general, who initiates the offense and gets the entire team going in the team's offensive flow. Obviously Calderon is much better and getting more out of each player and the 5-man unit than Lowry. I think PGs like Lowry are better served as 2nd unit PGs, where their scoring ability can often take centre stage. The problem with the starting PG being too scoring-centric, is that sometimes the rest of the team's offense stagnates and it winds up being 1-on-5 offensively.

I agree that it's an old-school approach, but I think it's more the pass-first VS score-first style of PG debate. I don't think the "nice and clean cut guys" factors into their analysis though.

jose may be nice, but clean cut? LOL looks like he just woke up & drove to work all the time LOL as for the style debate i think there could be arguements made for & against both.. i dont think either is the answer but if i had to role someone out there every night that is currently on our team id prob go with jose.. with some roster modification Lowry would be the better long term..that is if we could land a legit all-star calibre player to be the Top Dog, Lowry would be a good 2nd or 3rd option.. also any offense that keeps the ball moving would be ideal since Lowry can be a black hole when he goes ISO

jose may be nice, but clean cut? LOL looks like he just woke up & drove to work all the time LOL as for the style debate i think there could be arguements made for & against both.. i dont think either is the answer but if i had to role someone out there every night that is currently on our team id prob go with jose.. with some roster modification Lowry would be the better long term..that is if we could land a legit all-star calibre player to be the Top Dog, Lowry would be a good 2nd or 3rd option.. also any offense that keeps the ball moving would be ideal since Lowry can be a black hole when he goes ISO

I don't completely agree with your assessment. I think a lot of people - myself included - see the primary responsibility of a PG to be that of a true floor general, who initiates the offense and gets the entire team going in the team's offensive flow. Obviously Calderon is much better and getting more out of each player and the 5-man unit than Lowry. I think PGs like Lowry are better served as 2nd unit PGs, where their scoring ability can often take centre stage.

I don't completely agree with your assessment either. Lowry has done a better job of getting his teammates involved in the last 15 games. His better assists totals attests to that. The wing players have been productive with Lowry on the floor. What Jose does as well as almost anybody in the league is to get the bigs involved. He's excellent at that. But with more time I believe Lowry will improve on that. Never to Jose's level, but you can't have everything.

You can go through each team's GM to get an idea of how long they've been there and what they have done. A quick look through and you will see BC's new motto is: "Hey! It could be worse! I'm not Geoff Petrie!"

You can go through each team's GM to get an idea of how long they've been there and what they have done. A quick look through and you will see BC's new motto is: "Hey! It could be worse! I'm not Geoff Petrie!"

I think its fairly obvious that im a Lowry fan, even during his Memphis and Houston days. The guy goes all out, balls out when he plays. It may have disadvantages but IMO those are highly outweighed by what he brings to the table.

I say let him play his game, get talent with (not around) him and see what he can do. Its his first year on a team that has no identity plus he essentially entered a situation that he just left with his former team (PG controversy). Really doesnt help the guy out positively.

The problem is, the team keeps coddling Jose when there is a PG controversy, and where has Jose taken this team? How bout letting Jose get the ugly brunt of the PG controversy stick this time and let the other guy win for a change. Cant get any worse.

Couldn't agree more. Devlin and Jack Armstrong went on for a couple of minutes during last night's broadcast on how bad Lowry has been coming off the bench. I checked the game logs for the last 15 games, the ones where he's the backup, and he's averaging 16.5 points and 8.8 assists per 36 minutes (my calculations). And he's shooting 45% from three. That's GOOD! I also compared his Per 36 minutes stats with Damian Lillard, for example, he seems to be everybody's favourite, and Lowry's are better across the board. Lowry's played well this year considering the circumstances. We need to move on from the Calderon era. And I want a crappy point guard to back Lowry up (wait, we already have one). I'm tired of point guard controversies.

i just read an article saying the raps are moving closer to a GAY deal...which in itself is nothing new but at the end of the article it mentioned that the Grizz would get a young player & a future pick from the raps & Jose to be flipped to a 3rd team yet to be found, also mentioned is the Grizz had attempted to include Ross in the deal & was told by raps that Ross was Untouchable! makes me wonder if maybe that young player is Demar & not Davis... or maybe both?

My problem with Lowry

golden wrote:

These arguments along the lines of "we-need-this-guy or we-need-that-guy to make Lowry effective", just don't make any sense. First of all, Lowry simply isn't elite enough on offense or defense to start planning your entire roster around. You would just be repeating the exact same mistake you made with Bargs for the last 3+ years with Lowry. Secondly, I thought great players were supposed to make lesser players better, and not vice versa?

I like Lowry.... My problem is his DEFENCE.....he takes too many gambles! He leaves his opposing PG open many times in order to try to get steals.

I personally would trade him to boston for Bradley (a VERY GOOD defensive player) & Green/Sullinger or a 1st round pick (If boston is willing)

That would be a good trade for us

Lowry is NOT elite......he's clearly NOT the player we're looking for....he is what he is

Maybe we can use the pick to get a player through the draft (a PG) that can learn under Calderon for a season or 2

We dont have the talent to run with Lowry and he doesnt run the offence well enough to be our starting PG of the future

He would play very well with a team like boston because they have good talent to surround him

For the Raps he's currently just a back-up PG and he's better than just a backup.....Doc Rivers, KG and PP might be what he needs to take the next step

PLUS

He's injured too often for my liking! He plays soooo hard.....He seems out of shape to me.......Whats not to say he gets injured again? Then what?

I personally think its obvious BC made a mistake giving up our 1st round pick for him....especially since we're rebuilding and it looks like we're heading to the lottery AGAIN

thank BC for not being one of those GM's who's scared to go out on a limb... BC may make some bone head moves as far as free agents but hes done a pretty good job in the draft except Bargs obviously

bargs was the right pick. he, is the one who failed not bc there.

I don't mind bc as a gm. I do think sometimes his swing for the fences all in is a bit over the top but I do prefer that to a gm who comes in and just works the draft every year while taking millions of dollars.

So with the game in ATL is it imprtant we start Lowry to assert himself back to the starting PG or do we continue playing Calderon to start to try and boost his value? I really dont think it can go up anymore its the best its ever going to get and that GSW game was the old Calderon....