SOLD OUT. House Passes Bill (269-161) to Enslave Our Children and Grandchildren

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WHY THE WHOLE DEBT DEAL....IS A FARCE for the SHEEP to CONSUME.

The BASE FOUNDATION OF SPENDING is raised every year AUTOMATICALLY....so when they say they are cutting...they really aren't.They are "cutting" from ANTICIPATED BASELINE BUDGET INCREASES that happen every year with no action required.

When a cut is not a cutBy Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) - 08/01/11 12:15 PM ET

"No plan under serious consideration cuts spending in the way you and I think about it. Instead, the "cuts" being discussed are illusory, and are not cuts from current amounts being spent, but cuts in projected spending increases. This is akin to a family "saving" $100,000 in expenses by deciding not to buy a Lamborghini, and instead getting a fully loaded Mercedes, when really their budget dictates that they need to stick with their perfectly serviceable Honda. But this is the type of math Washington uses to mask the incriminating truth about their unrepentant plundering of the American people."

Re: SOLD OUT. House Passes Bill (269-161) to Enslave Our Children and Grandchildren

1) Obama will have no part in the next debt deal....he's gone in 2012 regardless of this deal. So that point is moot.Even ACORN fraud won't save his ass this time.

2) Yes...it would have been nice for the "Stealing Christmas" plan....but the Socialists are having no part of that. You would never get them to agree to that.Best to take what you can until the Republicans have actual control. Chose your battles....the ones that can be won....and MOST ALL can be won after 2012.

3) The Super Congress, unfortunately, has a precedent....so I will bet $$$ they get away with it again.

Again....2012 is the time.....patience for now.

"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat."Sun Tzu

Quoting: Burt Gummer

I just wish I was as sure that he'll be gone in '12.

Patience is a virtue though.

Quoting: THX 1138

I have seen and heard enough from MANY people / businesses to know that he will lose by a LANDSLIDE come 2012.If I were a bookie....I could make a mint on this.

Quoting: Burt Gummer

You keep dreaming. You have completely alienated all the people in the middle. Sure protecting the rich at all costs and taking a even harder turn to the right will rally you're base. But you repulicans dont get you wont win a general election with your base, even moreso with the gang of idiots you have lined up.... The sad thing is the democrats are TERRIBLE, Obama has been an awful corporatist excuse for a president, and yet instead of trying to compromise with the disillusioned middle you just keep trying to attack the poor/elderly/minorities. And with the rapidly growing hispanic population that repugs have fought tooth and nail against continue to grow, well this might be the LAST chance this country has for a Republican president again.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 916081

On the contrary...Obama has 100% alienated those people....even CEO's who voted for him in 2007.

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I just wish I was as sure that he'll be gone in '12.

Patience is a virtue though.

Quoting: THX 1138

I have seen and heard enough from MANY people / businesses to know that he will lose by a LANDSLIDE come 2012.If I were a bookie....I could make a mint on this.

Quoting: Burt Gummer

You keep dreaming. You have completely alienated all the people in the middle. Sure protecting the rich at all costs and taking a even harder turn to the right will rally you're base. But you repulicans dont get you wont win a general election with your base, even moreso with the gang of idiots you have lined up.... The sad thing is the democrats are TERRIBLE, Obama has been an awful corporatist excuse for a president, and yet instead of trying to compromise with the disillusioned middle you just keep trying to attack the poor/elderly/minorities. And with the rapidly growing hispanic population that repugs have fought tooth and nail against continue to grow, well this might be the LAST chance this country has for a Republican president again.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 916081

On the contrary...Obama has 100% alienated those people....even CEO's who voted for him in 2007.

Spare me having to repost that list again. :grnrolleyes:

:getwell:

Quoting: Burt Gummer

Obama has alienated those in the middle? Or CEO's? I know you are a "job creators" first type of person but surely you cant think this hard turn to the right is following a MAJORITY? Even if you are the biggest CORPORATIST on the planet you cant actually believe CEO's are strongly against Obama (enjoying the same record low taxes and record high profits that pretty much ALL of corporate America has enjoyed for the last 10 years) regardless of any rhetoric a select few have spouted, Obama is one of you, corporatist to the bone. Regardless you cant actually believe a handful of irrationally disgruntled CEO's will lead to some kind of landslide in a general election can you?

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I have seen and heard enough from MANY people / businesses to know that he will lose by a LANDSLIDE come 2012.If I were a bookie....I could make a mint on this.

Quoting: Burt Gummer

You keep dreaming. You have completely alienated all the people in the middle. Sure protecting the rich at all costs and taking a even harder turn to the right will rally you're base. But you repulicans dont get you wont win a general election with your base, even moreso with the gang of idiots you have lined up.... The sad thing is the democrats are TERRIBLE, Obama has been an awful corporatist excuse for a president, and yet instead of trying to compromise with the disillusioned middle you just keep trying to attack the poor/elderly/minorities. And with the rapidly growing hispanic population that repugs have fought tooth and nail against continue to grow, well this might be the LAST chance this country has for a Republican president again.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 916081

On the contrary...Obama has 100% alienated those people....even CEO's who voted for him in 2007.

Spare me having to repost that list again.

Quoting: Burt Gummer

Obama has alienated those in the middle? Or CEO's? I know you are a "job creators" first type of person but surely you cant think this hard turn to the right is following a MAJORITY? Even if you are the biggest CORPORATIST on the planet you cant actually believe CEO's are strongly against Obama (enjoying the same record low taxes and record high profits that pretty much ALL of corporate America has enjoyed for the last 10 years) regardless of any rhetoric a select few have spouted, Obama is one of you, corporatist to the bone. Regardless you cant actually believe a handful of irrationally disgruntled CEO's will lead to some kind of landslide in a general election can you?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 916081

Why CEOs can't stand Obama [link to articles.moneycentral.msn.com] "Corporate leaders are slamming the president over taxes and the uncertain effects of his policies, and the executives' siege mentality is holding back the economy."

Re: SOLD OUT. House Passes Bill (269-161) to Enslave Our Children and Grandchildren

Had they followed Ron Paul's very learned advice, and the Tea Party's 100,000 cuts found in the government's own book of wasteful spending, the pain would be much less, and over quickly. They also found agency after agency, some useless to start with, agencies with so much redundancy built in that each one had as many as dozens of smaller duplicate agencies doing the same jobs.Trillions in cuts, right now.

The country's moral would have skyrocketed, and businesses would have begun hiring in earnest, seeing that Congress was willing to make the same kind of cuts that any American would make. Common sense.

Ron Paul serves on the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, the Joint Economic Committee, and the House Committee on Financial Services, and is Chairman of the House Financial Services Subcommittee on Domestic Monetary Policy and Technology, where he has been an outspoken critic of current American foreign and monetary policy.There is no one who knows as much about what is going on and how to fix it as Ron Paul. He is the most respected and honest man in Washington DC.

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You keep dreaming. You have completely alienated all the people in the middle. Sure protecting the rich at all costs and taking a even harder turn to the right will rally you're base. But you repulicans dont get you wont win a general election with your base, even moreso with the gang of idiots you have lined up.... The sad thing is the democrats are TERRIBLE, Obama has been an awful corporatist excuse for a president, and yet instead of trying to compromise with the disillusioned middle you just keep trying to attack the poor/elderly/minorities. And with the rapidly growing hispanic population that repugs have fought tooth and nail against continue to grow, well this might be the LAST chance this country has for a Republican president again.

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 916081

On the contrary...Obama has 100% alienated those people....even CEO's who voted for him in 2007.

Spare me having to repost that list again. :grnrolleyes:

:getwell:

Quoting: Burt Gummer

Obama has alienated those in the middle? Or CEO's? I know you are a "job creators" first type of person but surely you cant think this hard turn to the right is following a MAJORITY? Even if you are the biggest CORPORATIST on the planet you cant actually believe CEO's are strongly against Obama (enjoying the same record low taxes and record high profits that pretty much ALL of corporate America has enjoyed for the last 10 years) regardless of any rhetoric a select few have spouted, Obama is one of you, corporatist to the bone. Regardless you cant actually believe a handful of irrationally disgruntled CEO's will lead to some kind of landslide in a general election can you?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 916081

Why CEOs can't stand Obama [link to articles.moneycentral.msn.com] "Corporate leaders are slamming the president over taxes and the uncertain effects of his policies, and the executives' siege mentality is holding back the economy."

ONE OF MANY ARTICLE ON THIS :getwell:

:cluenort:

Quoting: Burt Gummer

Well i knew it wouldn't take long before you start spamming "witty" pictures. You are showing anecdotal evidence from a select few, the fact is the bush tax cuts have NOT been repealed. STILL ENJOYING RECORD LOW TAX RATES AND PROFITS. Besides, you are deflecting, how in the hell does a handful of angry CEO's effect a general election??????? You really think the majority of Americans support your corporatist viewpoint? While the average American is struggling to get by? Worried about some millionaires bitching because Obama MAY effect their record profits? Are you on a different fucking planet?

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On the contrary...Obama has 100% alienated those people....even CEO's who voted for him in 2007.

Spare me having to repost that list again.

Quoting: Burt Gummer

Obama has alienated those in the middle? Or CEO's? I know you are a "job creators" first type of person but surely you cant think this hard turn to the right is following a MAJORITY? Even if you are the biggest CORPORATIST on the planet you cant actually believe CEO's are strongly against Obama (enjoying the same record low taxes and record high profits that pretty much ALL of corporate America has enjoyed for the last 10 years) regardless of any rhetoric a select few have spouted, Obama is one of you, corporatist to the bone. Regardless you cant actually believe a handful of irrationally disgruntled CEO's will lead to some kind of landslide in a general election can you?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 916081

Why CEOs can't stand Obama [link to articles.moneycentral.msn.com] "Corporate leaders are slamming the president over taxes and the uncertain effects of his policies, and the executives' siege mentality is holding back the economy."

ONE OF MANY ARTICLE ON THIS

Quoting: Burt Gummer

Well i knew it wouldn't take long before you start spamming "witty" pictures. You are showing anecdotal evidence from a select few, the fact is the bush tax cuts have NOT been repealed. STILL ENJOYING RECORD LOW TAX RATES AND PROFITS. Besides, you are deflecting, how in the hell does a handful of angry CEO's effect a general election??????? You really think the majority of Americans support your corporatist viewpoint? While the average American is struggling to get by? Worried about some millionaires bitching because Obama MAY effect their record profits? Are you on a different fucking planet?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 916081

HANDFUL????

I also noticed how....when you lost the argument....since I proved you to be full of crap.....you tried to changed the discussion angle.

Re: SOLD OUT. House Passes Bill (269-161) to Enslave Our Children and Grandchildren

1) Obama will have no part in the next debt deal....he's gone in 2012 regardless of this deal. So that point is moot.Even ACORN fraud won't save his ass this time.

2) Yes...it would have been nice for the "Stealing Christmas" plan....but the Socialists are having no part of that. You would never get them to agree to that.Best to take what you can until the Republicans have actual control. Chose your battles....the ones that can be won....and MOST ALL can be won after 2012.

3) The Super Congress, unfortunately, has a precedent....so I will bet $$$ they get away with it again.

Again....2012 is the time.....patience for now.

"Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat."Sun Tzu

Quoting: Burt Gummer

I just wish I was as sure that he'll be gone in '12.

Patience is a virtue though.

Quoting: THX 1138

I have seen and heard enough from MANY people / businesses to know that he will lose by a LANDSLIDE come 2012.If I were a bookie....I could make a mint on this.

Quoting: Burt Gummer

You keep dreaming. You have completely alienated all the people in the middle. Sure protecting the rich at all costs and taking a even harder turn to the right will rally you're base. But you repulicans dont get you wont win a general election with your base, even moreso with the gang of idiots you have lined up.... The sad thing is the democrats are TERRIBLE, Obama has been an awful corporatist excuse for a president, and yet instead of trying to compromise with the disillusioned middle you just keep trying to attack the poor/elderly/minorities. And with the rapidly growing hispanic population that repugs have fought tooth and nail against continue to grow, well this might be the LAST chance this country has for a Republican president again.

Re: SOLD OUT. House Passes Bill (269-161) to Enslave Our Children and Grandchildren

I am beyond pissed off right now. Just so that they can concentrate on their fucking re-election campaigns. What a bunch of fucking parasites they are! And the sad part of this whole damn debacle is that, a lot of these idiots will be back in office in after 2012. What the fuck is it going to take for the masses to wake the fuck up? And when they do wake the hell up it will be to goddamn late. 12 trillion more dollars added onto the deficit for the next 10 years.

Hey to all of you that read this, if you have children, please please please, tell them that I am sooooo sorry for all the shit and debt they will inherit.

Quoting: AlphaRecon

Amen brother and to the OP! Those assholes don't give a shit about anyone except protecting the ruling political/economic class. I'm never disappointed because it's exactly what I expected. They're still a gaggle of fuckheads though!

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Obama has alienated those in the middle? Or CEO's? I know you are a "job creators" first type of person but surely you cant think this hard turn to the right is following a MAJORITY? Even if you are the biggest CORPORATIST on the planet you cant actually believe CEO's are strongly against Obama (enjoying the same record low taxes and record high profits that pretty much ALL of corporate America has enjoyed for the last 10 years) regardless of any rhetoric a select few have spouted, Obama is one of you, corporatist to the bone. Regardless you cant actually believe a handful of irrationally disgruntled CEO's will lead to some kind of landslide in a general election can you?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 916081

Why CEOs can't stand Obama [link to articles.moneycentral.msn.com] "Corporate leaders are slamming the president over taxes and the uncertain effects of his policies, and the executives' siege mentality is holding back the economy."

ONE OF MANY ARTICLE ON THIS

Quoting: Burt Gummer

Well i knew it wouldn't take long before you start spamming "witty" pictures. You are showing anecdotal evidence from a select few, the fact is the bush tax cuts have NOT been repealed. STILL ENJOYING RECORD LOW TAX RATES AND PROFITS. Besides, you are deflecting, how in the hell does a handful of angry CEO's effect a general election??????? You really think the majority of Americans support your corporatist viewpoint? While the average American is struggling to get by? Worried about some millionaires bitching because Obama MAY effect their record profits? Are you on a different fucking planet?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 916081

HANDFUL????

I also noticed how....when you lost the argument....since I proved you to be full of crap.....you tried to changed the discussion angle.

Re: SOLD OUT. House Passes Bill (269-161) to Enslave Our Children and Grandchildren

I am beyond pissed off right now. Just so that they can concentrate on their fucking re-election campaigns. What a bunch of fucking parasites they are! And the sad part of this whole damn debacle is that, a lot of these idiots will be back in office in after 2012. What the fuck is it going to take for the masses to wake the fuck up? And when they do wake the hell up it will be to goddamn late. 12 trillion more dollars added onto the deficit for the next 10 years.

Hey to all of you that read this, if you have children, please please please, tell them that I am sooooo sorry for all the shit and debt they will inherit.

Quoting: AlphaRecon

Maybe stop having children as its not really fair on them that they inherit a huge horrible mess . and they suffer the consequences of a third world country .

I totally would not bring children into this world but a billion third worlders will .

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Why CEOs can't stand Obama [link to articles.moneycentral.msn.com] "Corporate leaders are slamming the president over taxes and the uncertain effects of his policies, and the executives' siege mentality is holding back the economy."

ONE OF MANY ARTICLE ON THIS :getwell:

:cluenort:

Quoting: Burt Gummer

Well i knew it wouldn't take long before you start spamming "witty" pictures. You are showing anecdotal evidence from a select few, the fact is the bush tax cuts have NOT been repealed. STILL ENJOYING RECORD LOW TAX RATES AND PROFITS. Besides, you are deflecting, how in the hell does a handful of angry CEO's effect a general election??????? You really think the majority of Americans support your corporatist viewpoint? While the average American is struggling to get by? Worried about some millionaires bitching because Obama MAY effect their record profits? Are you on a different fucking planet?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 916081

HANDFUL????

I also noticed how....when you lost the argument....since I proved you to be full of crap.....you tried to changed the discussion angle.

:pw3ndsm: :smlaugh:

Quoting: Burt Gummer

FOR REALITY!

Quoting: Burt Gummer

Lost what argument? "I have seen and heard enough from MANY people / businesses to know that he will lose by a LANDSLIDE come 2012." You still haven't explained how a few disgruntled CEO's will effect a general election in 2012????

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Well i knew it wouldn't take long before you start spamming "witty" pictures. You are showing anecdotal evidence from a select few, the fact is the bush tax cuts have NOT been repealed. STILL ENJOYING RECORD LOW TAX RATES AND PROFITS. Besides, you are deflecting, how in the hell does a handful of angry CEO's effect a general election??????? You really think the majority of Americans support your corporatist viewpoint? While the average American is struggling to get by? Worried about some millionaires bitching because Obama MAY effect their record profits? Are you on a different fucking planet?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 916081

HANDFUL????

I also noticed how....when you lost the argument....since I proved you to be full of crap.....you tried to changed the discussion angle.

Quoting: Burt Gummer

FOR REALITY!

Quoting: Burt Gummer

Lost what argument? "I have seen and heard enough from MANY people / businesses to know that he will lose by a LANDSLIDE come 2012." You still haven't explained how a few disgruntled CEO's will effect a general election in 2012????

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 916081

BEGONE TROLL.YES...it's over....you lose.

I'm not reposting that CEO list.That snippet article was enough for anyone who cares to see how full of sh*t you are.

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But shouldn't the World be relieved that they have been saved? Let's celebrate the fact that this is a "monumental" day in history hahaha (quoted from c-span).

Congrats Obama.. I guess we'll be seeing him through 2016?

But this is a serious question for you who have followed this a lot more than this Canadian... The debt reduction plan has cuts of $70ish billion over what time frame?

What is a "reasonable" debt for the U.S. to carry? Are they happy with maintaining a 14B Deficit, as in, is 14Billion their new "zero"?

We all know that the U.S. will hit $20 Billion within the next few years.. What are your thoughts on that?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1465600

It's 14 trillion with a T so it's much higher than that and I'm sure by the time that the 2 trillion in cuts that they're supposed to do over the next decade, will barely make a dent in our debt considering it'll probably be about 30 trillion by the time 2021 comes along. I just can't believe how worthless these people are. It really baffles me that these are the best people this country has to offer to keep our country going.

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HANDFUL????

I also noticed how....when you lost the argument....since I proved you to be full of crap.....you tried to changed the discussion angle.

:pw3ndsm: :smlaugh:

Quoting: Burt Gummer

FOR REALITY!

Quoting: Burt Gummer

Lost what argument? "I have seen and heard enough from MANY people / businesses to know that he will lose by a LANDSLIDE come 2012." You still haven't explained how a few disgruntled CEO's will effect a general election in 2012????

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 916081

BEGONE TROLL.YES...it's over....you lose.

I'm not reposting that CEO list.That snippet article was enought for anyone who cares to see how full of sh*t you are.

Handful. Pffft.

:libreach:

Quoting: Burt Gummer

Again how do disgruntled CEO's effect the general election in 2012? A grassroots "think of the billionaires" campaign? Are you really that dense?

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Had they followed Ron Paul's very learned advice, and the Tea Party's 100,000 cuts found in the government's own book of wasteful spending, the pain would be much less, and over quickly. They also found agency after agency, some useless to start with, agencies with so much redundancy built in that each one had as many as dozens of smaller duplicate agencies doing the same jobs.Trillions in cuts, right now.

The country's moral would have skyrocketed, and businesses would have begun hiring in earnest, seeing that Congress was willing to make the same kind of cuts that any American would make. Common sense.

Ron Paul serves on the House Committee on Foreign Affairs, the Joint Economic Committee, and the House Committee on Financial Services, and is Chairman of the House Financial Services Subcommittee on Domestic Monetary Policy and Technology, where he has been an outspoken critic of current American foreign and monetary policy.There is no one who knows as much about what is going on and how to fix it as Ron Paul. He is the most respected and honest man in Washington DC.

:RonPaulmrch:

Quoting: Texas Uncensored

Thank you! It's always nice to hear from people who aren't brainwashed. I'm voting for Ron Paul in 2012 even if it means a split vote and Obama wins in 2012. At least, I will be able to trudge through life with a clear conscience. There's a reason why the diametrically opposed, establishment politicians and the MSM are scared to death of him. It's no longer a mystery to me.

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The winners are the debt holders. The losers are the American tax payers. The villains are members of congress who keep spending my money. The heros...where are the heros?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69144

Ron Paul, who exposed the scam.

The Tea Party members, who exposed trillions in wasteful spending, tried to make those cuts but were ignored, while the REpubs and Dems did business and theater as usual.

I saw an interview. Tea Party members were asked why they were holding their ground. They responded that they were sent to represent the people, to uphold the Constitution, and to get the spending under control. They were there to do their jobs, and they didn't care about re-election.They said that there had been attempts to bribe them to change their votes. The bribes were turned down.They held their ground, and our ground.

WOW! How long has it been since the criminal power structure got told NO? Well, that's too long, and the Tea Party told them where to shove their bribes.

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So when did this website get filled with Right wing nazis? Did Trin really sell it undercover or what?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1490327

The nazis were actually left-wing socialists and fascists. Read Mein Kamp if you don't believe me. In Hitler's own words.

SO FUCK OFF... ASSHOLE!

Quoting: 21SchizoidMan

Have you ever met a dumb ass statist who knew their history or their roots. lmao! Morons! The Nazis were considered slightly right of the comuunists, still doesn't mean they were right wing. Same thing happened during the Spanish revolution. Marco was just as left wing as the radical union Bolsheviks. In reality, there were almost no differences in their ideology. It was gang warfare - liberal vs. liberal. Stupid statists! Throughout history, the most brutal fascists were left wing. They don't get it because they are still being brainwashed by left wing revisionist history. Poor bastards!

Re: SOLD OUT. House Passes Bill (269-161) to Enslave Our Children and Grandchildren

I'm going to have to agree with Kalin. Default would have been very bad for us. It may not have been as bad as some fear, but it also could have been worse. I'm glad we bought a LITTLE more time myself. Some of us are still trying to get out of the cities.

It just delays the inevitable, that's the damn truth, but when the 'inevitable' could = 'death' for many people, then I would opt for the artificial pacemaker rather than just die haha. Next year I'll be chanting 'bring on the default' because I'll be better prepared, but then again that's like wishing death upon many.

If our parents and their parents had been paying more attention when it actually mattered then we wouldn't be here to begin with.

Quoting: GUANO

Default was the best option between that and what was done today.

It is your comment about your parents and grandparents that is so far from the truth, that it is shocking. That is, if your parents are older than 50, and grandparents of 70ish or more.

You see, the grandparents were the generation who fought WW2 and Korea. The women ran the factories, built the planes, the trucks, the tanks. Some served near combat, and flew supply planes into combat areas.Then, they came back and were part of an economy recovering, and then prospering.

Your parents, if boomers, were drafted to fight in Viet Nam. The wives, mostly teenagers, stayed behind, and raised the babies alone. There were millions of your parents generation who realized how crooked the government was, and how wrong the policies, and took to the streets and marched and protested on college campuses. They faced down armed national guard in one place or another, daily, on the news, in your face BOLD.It stopped a war, was the catalyst for the War Powers Act, ended the draft, lowered the voting age, created more equality for women, and helped unseat a crooked president - who was a natural born citizen BTW.

So, don't blame your parents or your grandparents. Now that you have viewed the debates - you did, right? - nd you realize how crooked it is, how much do you think any one individual can do, like you too? You now know that your parents and grandparents have done a lot already, and continue to exert their opinions and actions in attempts to make their voices heard. Millions of them have again marched and protested en masse. Millions of them started without realizing it, what became the Tea Party.And their new popularly funded representatives did exactly what they were sent to Washington DC to do.

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The winners are the debt holders. The losers are the American tax payers. The villains are members of congress who keep spending my money. The heros...where are the heros?

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69144

Ron Paul, who exposed the scam.

The Tea Party members, who exposed trillions in wasteful spending, tried to make those cuts but were ignored, while the REpubs and Dems did business and theater as usual.

I saw an interview. Tea Party members were asked why they were holding their ground. They responded that they were sent to represent the people, to uphold the Constitution, and to get the spending under control. They were there to do their jobs, and they didn't care about re-election.They said that there had been attempts to bribe them to change their votes. The bribes were turned down.They held their ground, and our ground.

WOW! How long has it been since the criminal power structure got told NO? Well, that's too long, and the Tea Party told them where to shove their bribes.

Quoting: Texas Uncensored

"Represent the people"? But according to every poll I have seen, most of the people wanted a mix of cuts and increased revenue from taxes, perhaps from repealing the $2.1 trillion revenue loss that resulted from Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy.

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Everyone didn't want it to pass, but new it was it's part of there large scam. There is only one major way to try to change it. Voting the right people in, Ron Paul.

Quoting: ^ThewoundedAngle^

Yes, the FREEMASON Ron Paul will ride in on a white steed in his superhero costume to save the day! Singlehandedly he will fix EVERYTHING that is wrong in this country.

Never mind that for the past 222 years EVERY U.S. presidential election has been "won" by the guy who had more British royal blood in his veins. ... . THIS time will be different! The "NONplayer" Ron Paul will sweep into office and SHOW 'em! He will show them all!! [/sarcasm] [/Paultard fantasy tape]

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"IF" people REALLY want to balance the budget, but keep defense spending intact there are THREE ITEMS THEY HAVE TO CUT OUT VIRTUALLY ENTIRELY (since about 1/2 of what we spend is borrowed)

1) Social Security needs to be eliminated2) Medicare needs to be eliminated3) All farm programs and subsidies for ag products need to be eliminated4) Medicaid needs to be eliminated5) Social Services such as Section 8 and Food Stamps need to be eliminated

If you ELIMINATE ALL the above virtually all other government programs would still need to be cut by about 1/2 to 2/3 "IF" one leaves defense alone ... then and only then will the budget be balanced.

WHO among you is in favor of cutting entirely you and your parent's/grandparents Social Security and Medicare? Come on ... Raise your hands!! (can't balance the budget without eliminating it if you protect the Defense budget)

Re: SOLD OUT. House Passes Bill (269-161) to Enslave Our Children and Grandchildren

"IF" people REALLY want to balance the budget, but keep defense spending intact there are FIVE ITEMS THEY HAVE TO CUT OUT VIRTUALLY ENTIRELY (since about 1/2 of what we spend is borrowed)

1) Social Security needs to be eliminated2) Medicare needs to be eliminated3) All farm programs and subsidies for ag products need to be eliminated4) Medicaid needs to be eliminated5) Social Services such as Section 8 and Food Stamps need to be eliminated

If you ELIMINATE ALL the above virtually all other government programs would still need to be cut by about 1/2 to 2/3 "IF" one leaves defense alone ... then and only then will the budget be balanced.

WHO among you is in favor of cutting entirely you and your parent's/grandparents Social Security and Medicare? Come on ... Raise your hands!! (can't balance the budget without eliminating it if you protect the Defense budget)

Re: SOLD OUT. House Passes Bill (269-161) to Enslave Our Children and Grandchildren

I'm going to have to agree with Kalin. Default would have been very bad for us. It may not have been as bad as some fear, but it also could have been worse. I'm glad we bought a LITTLE more time myself. Some of us are still trying to get out of the cities.

It just delays the inevitable, that's the damn truth, but when the 'inevitable' could = 'death' for many people, then I would opt for the artificial pacemaker rather than just die haha. Next year I'll be chanting 'bring on the default' because I'll be better prepared, but then again that's like wishing death upon many.

If our parents and their parents had been paying more attention when it actually mattered then we wouldn't be here to begin with.

Quoting: GUANO

Default was the best option between that and what was done today.

It is your comment about your parents and grandparents that is so far from the truth, that it is shocking. That is, if your parents are older than 50, and grandparents of 70ish or more.

You see, the grandparents were the generation who fought WW2 and Korea. The women ran the factories, built the planes, the trucks, the tanks. Some served near combat, and flew supply planes into combat areas.Then, they came back and were part of an economy recovering, and then prospering.

Your parents, if boomers, were drafted to fight in Viet Nam. The wives, mostly teenagers, stayed behind, and raised the babies alone. There were millions of your parents generation who realized how crooked the government was, and how wrong the policies, and took to the streets and marched and protested on college campuses. They faced down armed national guard in one place or another, daily, on the news, in your face BOLD.It stopped a war, was the catalyst for the War Powers Act, ended the draft, lowered the voting age, created more equality for women, and helped unseat a crooked president - who was a natural born citizen BTW.

So, don't blame your parents or your grandparents. Now that you have viewed the debates - you did, right? - you know that your parents and grandparents have done a lot already, and continue to exert their opinions and actions in attempts to make their voices heard. Millions of them have again marched and protested en masse. Millions of them started without realizing it, what became the Tea Party.And their new popularly funded representatives did exactly what they were sent to Washington DC to do.

What have you done?

Quoting: Texas Uncensored

PLEASE educate yourself and stop posting this inane drivel all over this forum.

You think TPTB stopped the Vietnam War because of the protests?! LMAO! I know EXACTLY when, why, and how that war was stopped, and it had NOTHING to do with any of the BULLSHIT that you read in newspapers or saw on the news.

Political "debates" are 100% staged theatre.

I don't have the time to continue smashing your baseless bullshit from one end to the other. Besides, it's like shooting fish in a barrel so isn't even a challenge.