I realize that the following will not please everyone. Perhaps it won't please anyone. C'est la vie; Que Sera Sera.

1. I earnestly confess, repent for and apologize for unnecessary contentiousness, anger, self-defense, and lack of sufficiently turning the other
cheek in my postings.

Repentance is primarily between myself and God. However, I once belonged to a church where a glib "I'm sorry" was not sufficient . . . and I felt they
made a good point. Repentance is about Turning From a flawed, destructive, sinful choice and TO a constructive, redemptive choice.

And, as I noted in my title, the offenses were public, so I think the repentance ought to be as well.

I realize that no list of my flaws or sins would be complete ENOUGH for some hereon. Tough tacos. This is my current reality and what I can earnestly
own with authenticity to my personhood and my values.

I think "self-defense" is a good weather-vane. It has been my observation that when I or others get TOOOO wound up in self-defense, then there's
probably too much emotionality involved. It's probably past time to let the wolves take all the bones and think of themselves as victors rather than
join in increasingly bloody gnawing and sharp-fanged ripping asunder.

That does NOT automatically mean I'll never write another single word or sentence in my own behalf.

[color=9999CC]By way of Definitions . . .

I consider contentiousness too strong an element or component of arguing for the sake of arguing or for ego reasons or to prove that one's . . .
wellllll you likely get the idea.

I don't consider ALL ANGER to be wrong or evil. However, in a text based context over topics easily involved with intense passions . . . it's mostly a
great hazard.

I realize that my personality and style tend to foster other perceivers as labeling me as VERY ANGRY when I'm NOT angry at all.

Soooooo, it seems to me, I need to work extra hard at insuring that any occasional fitting anger is well and fittingly worded on ATS.

IF ATS is now decreeing that there are to be NO angry or angry appearing posts, then I'd appreciate it if someone would make that clear to me and I'll
do my best to make that adjustment, too.

For other things folks think or are convinced that I'm guilty of . . . I have no problem or little problem apologizing, repenting . . . even
publically, for things I authentically see myself as guilty of.

My own integrity to myself, to God and to others I relate to prevents me from apologizing for things I'm utterly convinced I"m NOT at all or
significantly guilty of.

I realize that mileage may vary.

We all have our own unique constructions on reality.

2. I don't know how many cheeks I'll have left to turn but I'll endeavor to earnestly do that in the future.

And, I'm not guaranteeing that all my postings . . . whenever I feel up to such again . . . will fit other folks' constructions on reality as "turning
the other cheek."

I don't see any Biblical mandate to always be a useless wimpy doormat.

Nevertheless, Christ meant what He said and I'll do my best to apply it in the ATS community in fitting, persistent, Redemptive, overcoming ways.

3. Springer's: "[color=33CCFF]Act with genuine and honest desire to discuss and share in a civil manner with respect for ALL points of view and you
have nothing to fear, ..."

Is MUCH easier for me to wrap my understanding and practical expectations around than all the other statements on that thread.

That's one of the more HOPEFUL sentences I've seen recently. I don't know how it will play out or be operationally manifested but at least that seems
practcial and doable--even for my strange cognitions and constructions on reality.

I do have a ton of '[color=9999CC]honest desire to discuss and share in a civil manner with respect for ALL' ATSers and thereby some significant
degree of respect for all their points of view.

Expecting me to say that I believe that all points of view are

in my view

EQUAL

would not be a fitting expectation, imho.

Anyway--FWIW, there you have it.

If this is in the wrong category, I trust it will be moved to a more fitting one. This seemed to fit the most, to me.
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I don't know you, but say you might as well have fun here and let other people have fun too. That should do it for anyone who still depises your guts
and wishes that reincarnated Vikings descend on your ancesteral graveyards for another go at the ole sod. Good to meet you, out there in the
cyberedpunkedspace.

I don't know you, but say you might as well have fun here and let other people have fun too. That should do it for anyone who still depises your guts
and wishes that reincarnated Vikings descend on your ancesteral graveyards for another go at the ole sod. Good to meet you, out there in the
cyberedpunkedspace.

Likewise.

I enjoy your spirit, pluck, spunk, wit.

I do enjoy ATS. Have enjoyed the vigorous back and forth.

With more than 3,000 hours of INTENSE no-holds-barred T-group experiences . . . most in leadership roles . . . I may have ENJOYED the fray overmuch
for this context.

This is a VERY different context with VERY different--near opposite rules. The adjustment has not been quick or easy.

Unfortunately many people these days never give correct respect when it's due, I think many don't know how to deal with something as pure as an
Apology, Even a man who says only "Sorry" has bought himself to justice in my eyes and deserves every respect for it.

Unfortunately many people these days never give correct respect when it's due, I think many don't know how to deal with something as pure as an
Apology, Even a man who says only "Sorry" has bought himself to justice in my eyes and deserves every respect for it.

Peace to you

AGREED AND LIKEWISE.

We live in an increasingly coarse, harsh, even brutal age getting worse, imho.

The good deed may seem like and even be like a candle in a hurricane . . . nevertheless . . . Praise God for the candle and the soul courageous enough
to light it or carry it.

I`ve got a pretty good hunch on why you may feel you need to appoligise and thats entirely up to you.

I have always loved your posts and your insights (even if fully understand or agree) and you have been a friend to me (a God send sometimes) that you
would be completely oblivious to.I think your passionate because you honestly care,which is more than I can say for many.

The T&Cs here can be tricky at times and thats going to happen when its enforced by humans who have their own biases to deal with,one motto of ATS is
that its user generated content,but its actually Admin and staff driven user content which is evolving with more control,such is life with the MSM.

To me if people can`t be civil or they are racist etc etc I think its better to not censor them, rather than have decent members talk with them even
if thats passionately or show them by example.

In my time here I`ve seen a Christian guy here censored and shut down because he was giving a warning to those who were chatting on a thread about
conjuring up spirits, as one of many examples.But how many times in sooo many threads can people slang off unabated toward Christians.

When this is heard or said so often we will mainly only hear "use the complaint button" so it seems to me in being Christian it will go against the
t&cs at times when speaking up on certain topics,because that sounds bigoted disruptive or whiny.

I`ve got a pretty good hunch on why you may feel you need to appoligise and thats entirely up to you.

I have always loved your posts and your insights (even if fully understand or agree) and you have been a friend to me (a God send sometimes) that you
would be completely oblivious to.I think your passionate because you honestly care,which is more than I can say for many.

The T&Cs here can be tricky at times and thats going to happen when its enforced by humans who have their own biases to deal with,one motto of ATS is
that its user generated content,but its actually Admin and staff driven user content which is evolving with more control,such is life with the MSM.

To me if people can`t be civil or they are racist etc etc I think its better to not censor them, rather than have decent members talk with them even
if thats passionately or show them by example.

In my time here I`ve seen a Christian guy here censored and shut down because he was giving a warning to those who were chatting on a thread about
conjuring up spirits, as one of many examples.But how many times in sooo many threads can people slang off unabated toward Christians.

When this is heard or said so often we will mainly only hear "use the complaint button" so it seems to me in being Christian it will go against the
t&cs at times when speaking up on certain topics,because that sounds bigoted disruptive or whiny.

Anyway my 2 cents and I love ya BO XIAN and glad to have you around

I agree with every line of your discerning and thoughtful post. I was trying to edit it to the more important parts for me to respond to and I ended
up leaving every word because every sentenced touched me deeply.

I think you have a very accurate understanding, perception of ATS and what routinely happens hereon. That level of understanding for this 'special'
'bird of rare plumage' is certainly very rare on ATS--and most welcome.

I don't think there's a solution to what you describe.

So, by His Grace, I do what I can to adjust and go on.

Besides, MOST of the time, it is pretty difficult to be TOOOO gracious and civil. LOL.

In terms of apology and repentance--I'd MUCH rather err on the side of overdoing that than underdoing it.

I've had enough in my life of 65 years of folks being tooooo insecurely ARROGANT to apologize about anything. THAT REALLY stinks, imho. So, I don't
want to be anywhere near THAT category.

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