Man, I'm so glad Ben's contract wasn't extended. I'd be whining all over about his decline and about the impossibility to win the ship with him. He simply hasn't been his old self for 2-3 seasons and will never be again. But geez, that old Ben was a helluva playa!

Man, I'm so glad Ben's contract wasn't extended. I'd be whining all over about his decline and about the impossibility to win the ship with him. He simply hasn't been his old self for 2-3 seasons and will never be again. But geez, that old Ben was a helluva playa!

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Probably will help Joe D. decide on whether to offer Sheed a new contract.

we loss to the bulls in the regular season as some sort of payof that joe and paxson worked out for them taking his contract issue off our hands.... GRIN

but in all seriousness, i can't think that ben given a do over wouldn't have taken the money and ran..... sure money is great and all, but when you make as much as they make what really besides prestigue do you get with a couple extra million and the hit he's taking in respect and status is not worth the money now i bet.

Probably will help Joe D. decide on whether to offer Sheed a new contract.

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Joe runs this team like a corp payroll dept.

Wanted: Veteran Big Man. Experience: At least 8 years and 1 all-star appearance. Duties: Spot mins against big centers, rebound and score a few points when needed. Must be able to mentor young up and comming frontcourt players. Salary:$3-$6 Million, depending on experience and skills.

I am watching the Bulls - Jazz game and it looks like Big Ben has pulled a Pudge and bulked down.

He looks smaller in the upper body and arms than he did with us in his prime.

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I've noticed he looked different as well, couldn't pinpoint it really, but he does look smaller. I thought it was just the disconnect i had from him now that he's not on the Pistons anymore.

As for Sheed. I think Joe D offering him another contract depends on where the team is at (contending/rebuilding). His talent esp his offensive skills will keep him effective for a long time in the league. Even if we signed/traded him, i think he would actually bring us good (but not equal) value back.

I don't see Joe giving up Sheed unless we're in total rebuild mode or he wants to leave. As long as Sheed is committed to this team, he'll stay.

On the other hand Milicic scored 14 points, which Wallace hasn't done in 11 months.

On the other other hand Milicic came up as a -18 in +/-, while Wallace was -11.

On the fourth hand it seems that Memphis now has the attitude that they paid for Darko's services and they'll leave him on the court as their only big man until he physically collapses, whereas Chicago's trying desperately to unload Ben, playing him minutes he doesn't deserve over Noah just to maintain the fiction that he's still an impact player.

On the other hand Milicic scored 14 points, which Wallace hasn't done in 11 months.

On the other other hand Milicic came up as a -18 in +/-, while Wallace was -11.

On the fourth hand it seems that Memphis now has the attitude that they paid for Darko's services and they'll leave him on the court as their only big man until he physically collapses, whereas Chicago's trying desperately to unload Ben, playing him minutes he doesn't deserve over Noah just to maintain the fiction that he's still an impact player.

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What a sad end one of american dreams: from undrafted to all-star. Chancey stayed in pistons for less money(he could have gotten more easily) but the most important thing is - he is happy.

I would really like to think he is just is not working out as much anymore. When you get old; i.e. over 30 (LOL) you start to lose the muscle tone pretty fast unless you keep at on a regular and rigorous basis and the older you get the faster you lose it and the harder it is to replace it.

Chancey stayed in pistons for less money(he could have gotten more easily) but the most important thing is - he is happy.

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That simply ain't true. There was absolutely no market for CB last off season and JoeD may have given him even more than would have been needed to make him stay. As for Ben, I can imagine he was or still juicin'- but he's definetely not the only one in the league.