WASHINGTON, D.C. - Our southern border is long and U.S. border patrol agents work to fight illegal activity like illegal immigration, drugs and now according to an FBI consultant, the border could be an attractive region for ISIS thanks in part to powerful drug lords.

"Drug dealers have found a way to move money without it being followed,” said Tyrone Powers, Former FBI Agent. “They found a way to move people in and out and they found a way to move product."

That product powers refers to is tons and tons of meth, heroin and pot transferred through a labyrinth of tunnels from Mexico.

Drugs that are headed for the streets of the U.S.

But these tunnels could easily be an underground highway for ISIS to spawn its brutality here.

"The stronger they get over there, the more power they have so I can definitely see, in the future, collaboration between terrorist groups and drug dealers to our south," said Senator Lindsey Graham, South Carolina, 2016 Presidential Candidate

"It's individuals they bring into this country, maybe at some point, suicide bombers which is really scary and then weapons of mass destruction," said Powers.

"What's been going on in Mexico creates an opportunity for any organization to try to take advantage of it, whether it's ISIS or Al Shabbab," said Brandon Behlendorf, Terrorist Targeting Strategist." ~

"What's been going on in Mexico creates an opportunity for any organization to try to take advantage of it, whether it's ISIS or Al Shabbab," said Brandon Behlendorf, Terrorist Targeting Strategist." ~

The obama traitor absolutely refuses to seal off that border!
The answer as to the why that is , is so damn obvious to any that are not blinded...
Dem party and muzzies are allied. And the obama is a muzzie.... -- Tyr

red state

06-28-2015, 01:37 PM

You know...it could very well be that a declaration of War could be put into place if the (PROVEN) muSLUM terrorist start jumping back and forth across the border to kill. I'm sure the corrupt Mexican gov. and the drug lords will sanction this activity as they do drugs, slave trafficking and other evils. Of course, we'd have to have a REAL President who is a REAL American before a blame thing is done cuz this one (the so-called ONE) will allow farms, ranches and homes to be burned and OUR citizens killed before shutting down that awful border to a $#!T hole of a country and gateway for a lot of other $#!Thole countries looking to plunder & abuse US.

Could even see the start of WWIII out of a American Continental War cuz I'm sure there are plenty (like Russia) who would love the opportunity to revive strong holds South of us. Sides were chosen during WWI over something minor and possibly even stupid and it happened again, for a good reason, during WWII.

IF Mexico allows that crap and if it does happen (and I truly believe is a threat already) WE will be engaging in a worthwhile effort and a legitimate cause for plunging into a war and possibly one that pulls in others on both right and wrong sides.

Perianne

06-28-2015, 04:00 PM

WASHINGTON, D.C. - Our southern border is long and U.S. border patrol agents work to fight illegal activity like illegal immigration, drugs and now according to an FBI consultant, the border could be an attractive region for ISIS thanks in part to powerful drug lords.

"Drug dealers have found a way to move money without it being followed,” said Tyrone Powers, Former FBI Agent. “They found a way to move people in and out and they found a way to move product."

That product powers refers to is tons and tons of meth, heroin and pot transferred through a labyrinth of tunnels from Mexico.

Drugs that are headed for the streets of the U.S.

So, Donald Trump was right.

Noir

06-28-2015, 04:08 PM

Never mind the boarders if the US, they're on the streets of London!

Pictured here during London Pride, a concerned citizen told the police who didn't seem concerned!!!

Like everything else, where the ignorant, and hate filled have to complain about a FLAG.

I'd like to ask ANYONE who now dislikes Trump....Like Bush....To demonstrate, with documented evidence, where TRUMP has lied about anything in any of his recent speeches, after announcing he is running?

He may be highly hated, or disliked. BUT....the man is telling us all THE TRUTH.
Anyone care to prove otherwise?

LongTermGuy

06-28-2015, 06:11 PM

Like everything else, where the ignorant, and hate filled have to complain about a FLAG.

I'd like to ask ANYONE who now dislikes Trump....Like Bush....To demonstrate, with documented evidence, where TRUMP has lied about anything in any of his recent speeches, after announcing he is running?

He may be highly hated, or disliked. BUT....the man is telling us all THE TRUTH.
Anyone care to prove otherwise?

*If I caint have Ted Cruz...I will take Trump In a heart Beat! I dont care about his hair...*I care about what he can do....he is tough as nails and has balls...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maKmGMA1Vjk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKqCEuv5c6M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNMZ7sFGKps

Kathianne

06-28-2015, 07:14 PM

*If I caint have Ted Cruz...I will take Trump In a heart Beat! I dont care about his hair...*I care about what he can do....he is tough as nails and has balls...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maKmGMA1Vjk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKqCEuv5c6M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNMZ7sFGKps

Do you know his heathcare stance?

aboutime

06-28-2015, 07:23 PM

Do you know his heathcare stance?

Here it is for you Kathianne: http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2015/06/28/sotu-tapper-trump-on-healthcare-trade-climate-abortion-and-same-sex-marriage.cnn

Noir

06-28-2015, 07:39 PM

Here it is for you Kathianne: http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2015/06/28/sotu-tapper-trump-on-healthcare-trade-climate-abortion-and-same-sex-marriage.cnn

Er...
Trump: "Bomb the oil fields in Iraq"
Host: "I don't think the Iraqi government will be happy with that"
Trump: "Who cares?"

:salute:

aboutime

06-28-2015, 07:42 PM

Er...
Trump: "Bomb the oil fields in Iraq"
Host: "I don't think the Iraqi government will be happy with that"
Trump: "Who cares?"

:salute:

Excuse me Noir. Should I call you Kathianne too? Go FLY your flag.

LongTermGuy

06-28-2015, 07:47 PM

Do you know his heathcare stance?

Already starting to nit-pic? > I dont give a crap...*I do know it would be better than anything..ANYTHING obama has done or will do...

....Borders...veterans....Military...muslim problem....Jobs...are "big Plus`s with Trump"...and he will take action......

Noir

06-28-2015, 07:50 PM

Excuse me Noir. Should I call you Kathianne too? Go FLY your flag.

You're excused,
If you'd prefer to think of me as a Kathianne you have my blessing,
and the emote cache doesn't have my flag so I'll have to make do with yours
:salute:

LongTermGuy

06-28-2015, 07:53 PM

Er...
Trump: "Bomb the oil fields in Iraq"
Host: "I don't think the Iraqi government will be happy with that"
Trump: "Who cares?"

:salute:

I dont think he gives a F#uk about what the "stinking muslims think"..Problem is they dont think......especially Iraq ....the cowards...and all the hardware and wasted money time and energy trying to help and train them....Yes "Bomb the oil fields in Iraq"....we can fix it up quickly (Big oil co`s)...he already gave his ideas on that already....stop the money flow to the Terrorists...

aboutime

06-28-2015, 08:17 PM

I dont think he gives a F#uk about what the "stinking muslims think"..Problem is they dont think......especially Iraq ....the cowards...and all the hardware and wasted money time and energy trying to help and train them....Yes "Bomb the oil fields in Iraq"....we can fix it up quickly (Big oil co`s)...he already gave his ideas on that already....stop the money flow to the Terrorists...

Noir got upset with Trump saying bomb the Iraq oilfields because that would take OIL from Iran. Noir probably admires Iran...but forgot how they treat GAYS.

Noir thinks like Obama. Iran is no problem, the USA is the problem. Right Noir?

Noir

06-28-2015, 08:54 PM

Noir got upset with Trump saying bomb the Iraq oilfields because that would take OIL from Iran. Noir probably admires Iran...but forgot how they treat GAYS.

Noir thinks like Obama. Iran is no problem, the USA is the problem. Right Noir?

All right indeed.
I should just give you my password so you can log in and post for me every now and then, would give me more time in the day to jig to some Yusuf Islam, pleasure the local dockmen and say grace for our Lord and Saviour (blessed be unto him) Moore.

On a *slightly* more serious note - a foreign policy of 'I don't care - bomb them' may be the cut of your jib, and may only be sound bite politics, but I think it's unsatisfactory.

aboutime

06-28-2015, 09:20 PM

All right indeed.
I should just give you my password so you can log in and post for me every now and then, would give me more time in the day to jig to some Yusuf Islam, pleasure the local dockmen and say grace for our Lord and Saviour (blessed be unto him) Moore.

On a *slightly* more serious note - a foreign policy of 'I don't care - bomb them' may be the cut of your jib, and may only be sound bite politics, but I think it's unsatisfactory.

Thank you Barrack.

Kathianne

06-28-2015, 09:52 PM

Here it is for you Kathianne: http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2015/06/28/sotu-tapper-trump-on-healthcare-trade-climate-abortion-and-same-sex-marriage.cnn

So tell me what Trump's stand is on healthcare? A link to a video doesn't move the conversation.

tailfins

06-28-2015, 10:04 PM

CNN is such a CNN... Bon Appétit! http://www.kolobok.us/smiles/standart/blum2.gif

We call them the Communist News Network or the Castro News Network. I think on this forum you'll see many FOX News viewers. Either that or AM talk radio.

aboutime

06-28-2015, 10:07 PM

So tell me what Trump's stand is on healthcare? A link to a video doesn't move the conversation.

Do you want me to just make something up Kathianne. You asked a question, and I found a link that would normally have answered it. I'm not a fan of Trump. But he hasn't lied, as far as I can tell from the reading, and listening I have done about him.

Does that qualify as MOVING the conversation? Or should I try to bluff my way with unknown facts?

Kathianne

06-28-2015, 10:12 PM

Do you want me to just make something up Kathianne. You asked a question, and I found a link that would normally have answered it. I'm not a fan of Trump. But he hasn't lied, as far as I can tell from the reading, and listening I have done about him.

Does that qualify as MOVING the conversation? Or should I try to bluff my way with unknown facts?

Who spoke of his 'lying?' Not me. You really should watch the accusations.

The question in the first place was not directed to you, though you have every right to answer it. Are you saying you didn't watch the video, but linked it as an answer?

You jumped in, I asked you for a summary of his position. You don't have to answer, but really get with the program.

BTW, I resent your use of 'name calling' towards Noir, by using my name. (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?50332-Isis-Expansion-Along-U-S-Borders&p=745443#post745443) That is crap.

Drummond

06-28-2015, 10:20 PM

Er...
Trump: "Bomb the oil fields in Iraq"
Host: "I don't think the Iraqi government will be happy with that"
Trump: "Who cares?"

:salute:

Er ....

Noir, how about representing Trump's thinking a little more completely ?

He doesn't think that Iraq has a Government that's worth a damn. He regards those (- nominally -) 'in charge' to be corrupt.

Bombing the oilfields in Iraq .. you fail to mention context (those on the Left so very often have trouble with that). Perhaps this'll help point you in the right direction ?

The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) group has lost control of “at least three large oil fields” in Iraq, depriving the militants of a crucial source of income, a German newspaper report said Thursday.

In the face of a large-scale Iraqi counteroffensive, the extremist group now controls just a single oil field in the country, the Sueddeutsche Zeitung said in its Thursday edition, citing the BND federal intelligence services.

Ousted from the strategic northern city of Tikrit by Iraqi security forces and militias just over a week ago -- in Baghdad’s biggest victory to date after the militants overran large parts of the country last June -- the militants now have only “five percent” of the extraction capabilities they had before, according to the BND report seen by Sueddeutsche Zeitung.

The group had lost “at least three large oil fields,” the daily said, adding that satellite images from last month showed the group had set fire to two of them -- the Himrin and Ajil fields -- in the face of the advancing counteroffensive.

“In the eyes of the BND, that is proof that IS [ISIS] itself does not believe in a quick recapture (of lost territory),” the newspaper said.

ISIS has only held onto the northern Qayara oil field, which has a total output capacity of around just 2,000 barrels a day, according to the German intelligence services.

Given a mixture of the Iraqi Government's perceived corruption, AND the fact of ISIS's obvious interest in exploiting them to fund itself, Trump's conclusion doesn't seem so very unreasonable after all.

And besides, I have to observe ... this is quite a turnaround from the usual Leftie line, one which has long since asserted that America only really invaded Iraq for Iraq's oil ! If the US was so motivated to go for an oil grab, why don't they RE-invade Iraq, NOW ? After all .. they'd be working to defeat ISIS, so they could easily defend the invasion on those grounds .. with the prospect of oil-grabbing at the end of it !

Jihad: In the latest edition of its propaganda rag, the Islamic State says it has enough cash to buy a nuclear weapon from Pakistan and smuggle it into the U.S. through Mexico. This is the sum of all fears, and it's not overblown.

The new issue of "Dabiq," IS' English-language webzine, includes a chilling article, "The Perfect Storm," that claims the group has amassed enough funds to purchase a "nuclear device" from Pakistan.

"The Islamic State has billions of dollars in the bank, so they call on their wilayah (province) in Pakistan to purchase a nuclear device through weapons dealers with links to corrupt officials in the region," the magazine says. The weapon could be smuggled through drug-running routes from Islamist-controlled Nigeria to Central America to Mexico "and into the U.S.," it adds.

Far-fetched? Not when you consider that IS has the means to buy nukes or dirty bombs, and the opportunity to smuggle them through our porous borders.

A Rand Corp. study says IS has more than $2 billion in assets from seized oil fields and refineries, kidnap ransoms and taxation. The think tank figures the terror group now controls fields with a production capacity of more than 150,000 barrels a day. It smuggles this oil out in tanker trucks and sells it at steeply discounted rates to buyers in Syria, Turkey, Kurdistan and elsewhere.

Despite falling world oil prices that have slowed IS' energy revenues to about $2 million a week, the terror group is still raking in more than $1 million a day in extortion and taxes alone. IS has also stolen some $500 million from state-owned banks in Iraq.

This is far more cash than al-Qaida had access to before 9/11. And IS is more ambitious — and fanatical enough to actually detonate a nuke inside a U.S. city.

...

Drummond

06-28-2015, 10:31 PM

I dont think he gives a F#uk about what the "stinking muslims think"..Problem is they dont think......especially Iraq ....the cowards...and all the hardware and wasted money time and energy trying to help and train them....Yes "Bomb the oil fields in Iraq"....we can fix it up quickly (Big oil co`s)...he already gave his ideas on that already....stop the money flow to the Terrorists...:clap::clap::clap:

Exactly the point. Between the relative uselessness of Iraq's supposedly legitimate forces and ISIS's gains (or likelihood of more of them) why waste time in cutting off their oil funding capabilities ?

Which then begs the question: why hasn't the US put far more effort into neutralising ISIS as a threat ?

[Hint .. Obama's in charge ..]

Kathianne

06-28-2015, 10:34 PM

Which then begs the question: why hasn't the US put far more effort into neutralising ISIS as a threat ?

[Hint .. Obama's in charge ..]

Your hint would have been my answer.

Drummond

06-28-2015, 10:38 PM

We call them the Communist News Network or the Castro News Network. I think on this forum you'll see many FOX News viewers. Either that or AM talk radio.

... and Balu, that's even true of me. I use a favourite Atlanta Internet radio feed which gives me Conservative programming that Fox has its hand in producing.

Drummond

06-28-2015, 10:40 PM

Your hint would have been my answer.:clap::clap:

... just as I'm also sure it's mine ...

aboutime

06-28-2015, 10:49 PM

Who spoke of his 'lying?' Not me. You really should watch the accusations.

The question in the first place was not directed to you, though you have every right to answer it. Are you saying you didn't watch the video, but linked it as an answer?

You jumped in, I asked you for a summary of his position. You don't have to answer, but really get with the program.

BTW, I resent your use of 'name calling' towards Noir, by using my name. (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?50332-Isis-Expansion-Along-U-S-Borders&p=745443#post745443) That is crap.

Oh, my God. You really said that? From now on. I will just remain quiet. Get with the program? I resent you talking to me like a child. Get with the program?
Jeez. This crap is really getting deep. If that's how you interpreted what I said. My apologies. And I will no longer feel comfortable trying to reason with you.

You call it crap? Really? Not worth trying anymore.

Drummond

06-28-2015, 10:50 PM

All right indeed.
I should just give you my password so you can log in and post for me every now and then, would give me more time in the day to jig to some Yusuf Islam, pleasure the local dockmen and say grace for our Lord and Saviour (blessed be unto him) Moore.

On a *slightly* more serious note - a foreign policy of 'I don't care - bomb them' may be the cut of your jib, and may only be sound bite politics, but I think it's unsatisfactory.

A quick question or 2 for you, Noir - and if you can break away from pleasuring the local dockmen (YOUR assertion) long enough to answer, so much the better.

You've surely (even through the fog of BBC propaganda) understood what almighty menace ISIS is. Hopefully, you've also noted Kathianne's material as to what they may use funding to acquire.

You regard Trump's suggestion of bombing oilfields as 'unsatisfactory'. Do you consider the alternative, that of ISIS realising its dreams, as MORE 'satisfactory' ?

Denying ISIS funding they can convert into a means of killing so many more people .. you DISAPPROVE of that being done to them ????

Kathianne

06-28-2015, 10:52 PM

Oh, my God. You really said that? From now on. I will just remain quiet. Get with the program? I resent you talking to me like a child. Get with the program?
Jeez. This crap is really getting deep. If that's how you interpreted what I said. My apologies. And I will no longer feel comfortable trying to reason with you.

You call it crap? Really? Not worth trying anymore.

You use my name as a smear (http://www.debatepolicy.com/showthread.php?50332-Isis-Expansion-Along-U-S-Borders&p=745443#post745443) and you are the victim? Yes AT, that is crap.

aboutime

06-28-2015, 10:57 PM

You use my name as a smear and you are the victim? Yes AT, that is crap.

Kathianne. PLEASE, PLEASE read what I said again. I did not use your name as a smear, and NO...I am not claiming to be anyone's victim.
If you took my words any other way. Perhaps you should read them again...in the proper context. The very last thing I would want to do is anything...as you said.
THAT IS CRAP if you believe that. And if you do. I will no longer attempt to reason, or try to communicate in any way with you. My apologies for daring to expect otherwise.

Kathianne

06-28-2015, 11:00 PM

Kathianne. PLEASE, PLEASE read what I said again. I did not use your name as a smear, and NO...I am not claiming to be anyone's victim.
If you took my words any other way. Perhaps you should read them again...in the proper context. The very last thing I would want to do is anything...as you said.
THAT IS CRAP if you believe that. And if you do. I will no longer attempt to reason, or try to communicate in any way with you. My apologies for daring to expect otherwise.

I don't see any other way to take it, I took it as it was written. Hint: If you don't want problems like this, don't use others names. Find a word that captures what you mean.

LongTermGuy

06-29-2015, 12:57 AM

Pay attention...WATCH

"I like Donald Trump’s candor and he doesn’t mince words and he tells it like it is. He makes a lot of sense and has an incredible track record to back him up. He’s a shrewd businessman and negotiator --- and the multi-billion dollar empire he built under his watch is spectacular. We need that kind of talent and leadership in the White House. If Trump applies his knowledge and experience to running our nation it could become phenomenal for America. He does business with the Chinese and other countries around the world all the time and he knows just how to deal with them. He knows what it takes to be successful......

"Hello, I’m Doctor Chester Wilk. I’m deeply concerned at the direction our nation is going and I prepared this video to express my concerns. I have another video on the YouTube entitled: “The Democrats are Destroying America.” In which I provide 38 reasons why President Obama and the Democrats are hurting our nation and I cannot think of one positive thing which Pres. Obama has ever initiated. And that’s scary. I see Donald Trump as a true patriot who loves America so deeply that he is willing to run for president and save it from economic disaster. From his prestigious position if he becomes president it will actually be a sacrifice on his part because he needs to be president about as much as he needs to get the mumps. But he is a great American and a patriot and he cannot just sit back and watch America self-destruct before his eyes under the Obama administration ‘ And that’s why I’m convinced that Donald Trump will run unless he sees a candidate that he believes can do the job. I believe he will win hands down if he runs (and most likely will)"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkkeWfueqAI

LongTermGuy

06-29-2015, 01:11 AM

Pay attention...WATCH

"I like Donald Trump’s candor and he doesn’t mince words and he tells it like it is. He makes a lot of sense and has an incredible track record to back him up. He’s a shrewd businessman and negotiator --- and the multi-billion dollar empire he built under his watch is spectacular. We need that kind of talent and leadership in the White House. If Trump applies his knowledge and experience to running our nation it could become phenomenal for America. He does business with the Chinese and other countries around the world all the time and he knows just how to deal with them. He knows what it takes to be successful......

"Hello, I’m Doctor Chester Wilk. I’m deeply concerned at the direction our nation is going and I prepared this video to express my concerns. I have another video on the YouTube entitled: “The Democrats are Destroying America.” In which I provide 38 reasons why President Obama and the Democrats are hurting our nation and I cannot think of one positive thing which Pres. Obama has ever initiated. And that’s scary. I see Donald Trump as a true patriot who loves America so deeply that he is willing to run for president and save it from economic disaster. From his prestigious position if he becomes president it will actually be a sacrifice on his part because he needs to be president about as much as he needs to get the mumps. But he is a great American and a patriot and he cannot just sit back and watch America self-destruct before his eyes under the Obama administration ‘ And that’s why I’m convinced that Donald Trump will run unless he sees a candidate that he believes can do the job. I believe he will win hands down if he runs (and most likely will)"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkkeWfueqAI

`Thanks Doc for setting it straight...for the rest of you, you should listen to your elders!`

red state

06-29-2015, 01:56 AM

Anyone is better than HELLary
Gov. (especially FED Gov. is NOT a business
Trump supported Obama I believe (as did the mutually dissappointed & former B.O. supporter Gene Simmons)
Supporting or using MITTENS Romney is NOT a good note (with me anyway) to play as he was a very sour note indeed & no different than McSHAME in the end as both men helped to get B.O. in office. I have respect for both Trump and Romney but only to a point.

Noir

06-29-2015, 07:32 AM

Kathianne. PLEASE, PLEASE read what I said again. I did not use your name as a smear, and NO...I am not claiming to be anyone's victim.

Am I to believe then that you wanted to call me Kathianne as a compliment?...to both of us or just Kathianne?

A quick question or 2 for you, Noir - and if you can break away from pleasuring the local dockmen (YOUR assertion) long enough to answer, so much the better.

You've surely (even through the fog of BBC propaganda) understood what almighty menace ISIS is. Hopefully, you've also noted Kathianne's material as to what they may use funding to acquire.

You regard Trump's suggestion of bombing oilfields as 'unsatisfactory'. Do you consider the alternative, that of ISIS realising its dreams, as MORE 'satisfactory' ?

Denying ISIS funding they can convert into a means of killing so many more people .. you DISAPPROVE of that being done to them ????

Dock men only come by night :rolleyes: I've got a whole afternoon!

I assume Trump had prepared for this interview, and i'm sure he knew ISIS would come up, and his big response to open questioning of his plan was 'I don't care'... he's got plenty of time to find better arguments (maybe you could tweet him some) unless you find such responses endearing, at which point we irreconcilably disagree.

jimnyc

06-29-2015, 07:41 AM

Am I to believe then that you wanted to call me Kathianne as a compliment?...to both of us or just Kathianne?

Dock men only come by night :rolleyes: I've got a whole afternoon!

I assume Trump had prepared for this interview, and i'm sure he knew ISIS would come up, and his big response to open questioning of his plan was 'I don't care'... he's got plenty of time to find better arguments (maybe you could tweet him some) unless you find such responses endearing, at which point we irreconcilably disagree.

How much has your area contributed? Especially to the fight against terrorism? And I mean other than your own homegrown terrorists.

Noir

06-29-2015, 08:03 AM

How much has your area contributed? Especially to the fight against terrorism? And I mean other than your own homegrown terrorists.

I can forward this question to friends that toured Iraq and Afghan for an appropriate response.
I imagine the reply post will contain more swearing than is usually within my posts, but i'm sure you'll understand.

jimnyc

06-29-2015, 08:04 AM

I can forward this question to friends that toured Iraq and Afghan for an appropriate response.
I imagine the reply post will contain more swearing than is usually within my posts, but i'm sure you'll understand.

That doesn't answer my question. I'm having trouble finding much about Northern Ireland's contribution, can you link me to a few articles then?

jimnyc

06-29-2015, 08:11 AM

I see a handful were sent from Belfast. I wonder why Noir didn't join the fight if so interested?

Noir

06-29-2015, 08:20 AM

I see a handful were sent from Belfast. I wonder why Noir didn't join the fight if so interested?

So wait a minute, you condemn America all the time for things going on here. You condemn us Christians and say we should get rid of the bible. Then you condemn Trump for how he responded to an ISIS question - so I turn it around, ask YOU about ISIS and where you live, and why perhaps you didn't join to fight. Hell, I've seen an ISIS member in Ireland (linked below), so I think all questions are fair, especially considering the questions you like to ask about other things. Fair play, as you say, no?

ISIS living and preaching hatred in Ireland warns top Muslim leaderhttp://www.irishcentral.com/news/ISIS-living-and-preaching-hatred-in-Ireland-warns-top-Muslim-leader.html

Drummond

06-29-2015, 09:59 AM

Dock men only come by night :rolleyes: I've got a whole afternoon!

I must, of course, defer to your superior knowledge of such things, Noir.:rolleyes:

I assume Trump had prepared for this interview, and i'm sure he knew ISIS would come up, and his big response to open questioning of his plan was 'I don't care'... he's got plenty of time to find better arguments (maybe you could tweet him some) unless you find such responses endearing, at which point we irreconcilably disagree.

I think he could've talked tougher than he did. But his reasoning made quite a bit of sense.

And really, Noir, you should be prepared to give an answer on the following point (especially as you still have some of this afternoon left to you, in between getting the latest propaganda fixes from BBC News, that is ..)

Noir. Given the choice between bombing Iraqi oilfields, thus stopping ISIS from getting masses of money they can then spend on WMD's .. and NOT doing any such thing, therefore ALLOWING them to obtain those weapons .. which would you go for ?

And if you tell me 'it can't, or won't, happen' .. that I'm being alarmist .. state the basis for your certainty, that doesn't in truth amount to a gratuitous game of Russian Roulette !!

Drummond

06-29-2015, 10:11 AM

So wait a minute, you condemn America all the time for things going on here. You condemn us Christians and say we should get rid of the bible. Then you condemn Trump for how he responded to an ISIS question - so I turn it around, ask YOU about ISIS and where you live, and why perhaps you didn't join to fight. Hell, I've seen an ISIS member in Ireland (linked below), so I think all questions are fair, especially considering the questions you like to ask about other things. Fair play, as you say, no?

A problem common to Ireland and Mainland Britain is that, though on the face of it, Muslim leaders say they don't relate to terrorism, and some 'condemn' it outright, when it comes to having Muslim communities actually ACT to OPPOSE the so-called 'militants' amongst them, cooperation with the authorities is notable for being entirely absent.

Not too long ago, an open letter was written by a Conservative Minister here in the UK, broaching that issue. All that came of it was PROTESTS from Muslim communities about it !!

All right indeed.
I should just give you my password so you can log in and post for me every now and then, would give me more time in the day to jig to some Yusuf Islam, pleasure the local dockmen and say grace for our Lord and Saviour (blessed be unto him) Moore.

lol, hahahaha. Good one.

Drummond

06-29-2015, 10:27 AM

That doesn't answer my question. I'm having trouble finding much about Northern Ireland's contribution, can you link me to a few articles then?

Well, Jim ... to be completely fair, Northern Ireland would've contributed to the British Army's efforts, and the British Army DID play its part (even if only a minor one, when compared to the US) .. we did administer Helmand Province, for example.

As to Northern Ireland specifically, you have to go via the British Army's website. I think this'll help -

http://www.army.mod.uk/infantry/regiments/24000.aspx

On the 26 February 2011, the 1st Battalion The Royal Irish Regiment Battlegroup conducted its largest Air Assault operation since the crossing of the Rhine in 1945, when it conducted Operation Tora Zhemay VI in Zaborabad, Helmand Province.

The Royal Irish Regiment is the only infantry regiment to have received a Conspicuous Gallantry Cross in recognition of the bravery, sacrifice and service of The Ulster Defence Regiment and the Home Service Battalions of The Royal Irish Regiment.

The Regiment is the last remaining Irish infantry regiment of the line. The 1st Battalion, based in Ternhill, Shropshire, is a Light Mechanized Battalion and forms part of 16 Air Assault Brigade.

The 2nd Battalion is an Army Reserve battalion, which is also part of 16 Air Assault Brigade, and has its headquarters in Portadown, Northern Ireland with company locations across the Province. 1 Royal Irish Battlegroup returned in April 2011 from their third tour in Helmand Province, where they served in the Nad ‘Ali region.

From its origins in 1689 right up to the present day the Royal Irish Regiment and its antecedent regiments have been engaged in the front line of British international military engagements.

Our antecedent regiments have played a significant role in world affairs for over 300 years from Waterloo, the Indian Mutiny and the Boer War to the battles of the Somme, Dunkirk, Normandy and Korea. More recently the 1st Battalion has been on operations in Bosnia, Kosovo, Sierra Leone, the Gulf, Iraq and Afghanistan. The Regiment has a proud and distinguished record of service in several operational theatres.

It's woefully inadequate on detail, granted. But this may be in part because of intelligence sensitivities ... maybe there's detail that hasn't been officially declassified. [The Brits tend to take their sweet time in doing such things, even if they CAN ..]

Well, Jim ... to be completely fair, Northern Ireland would've contributed to the British Army's efforts, and the British Army DID play its part (even if only a minor one, when compared to the US) .. we did administer Helmand Province, for example.

As to Northern Ireland specifically, you have to go via the British Army's website. I think this'll help -

http://www.army.mod.uk/infantry/regiments/24000.aspx

It's woefully inadequate on detail, granted. But this may be in part because of intelligence sensitivities ... maybe there's detail that hasn't been officially declassified. [The Brits tend to take their sweet time in doing such things, even if they CAN ..]

Yeah, I did some searching on my own, and saw that some from Belfast and such contributed, and Bless them for joining the effort. I know that the UK sent like 50k altogether, much more than anyone else and behind the USA who sent 150k. I never doubted for a single second that the UK was involved, I was unaware of how much that NI actually contributed though (and he does consider them a totally different place...).

I guess my point was, none of our backyards are perfect. It's easy to toss stones from a place that has a population of less than 2 million. I just hope all of those guns help if/when ISIS really does try anything over there.

Yeah, I did some searching on my own, and saw that some from Belfast and such contributed, and Bless them for joining the effort. I know that the UK sent like 50k altogether, much more than anyone else and behind the USA who sent 150k. I never doubted for a single second that the UK was involved, I was unaware of how much that NI actually contributed though (and he does consider them a totally different place...).

I guess my point was, none of our backyards are perfect. It's easy to toss stones from a place that has a population of less than 2 million. I just hope all of those guns help if/when ISIS really does try anything over there.

Thanks for this post.

I think, with the best will in the world to Noir and whatever nationalist pride he may feel for his country (though if he's Left wing, that may not be a massive amount !) .. the UK's authorities will consider Northern Ireland to be 'on the fringes' of the UK. I think that this thinking overspills into the military .. which is why there's mention of only the one active Irish regiment making any notable contribution.

I've done a bit of digging around. Now ... the link I'm posting is to another discussion site, apparently an Irish military equivalent of this (I've never seen it before). I think it's Southern Irish, rather than Northern Irish ... even so, it seems that even the Southern Irish (who have a record for neutrality when it really matters NOT to be !) aren't militarily inactive in trouble spots ... see ....

The Government at today’s meeting (16th July 2013) approved a proposal from the Minister for Justice, Equality and Defence, Mr Alan Shatter, T.D. for the deployment of a contingent of the Permanent Defence Force for service with the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force (UNDOF) in Syria.

The Minister will proceed later this week to seek Dáil Éireann approval for the mission. This will complete the Triple Lock mechanism of UN, Government and Dáil approval before deploying members of the Defence Forces overseas as part of an International United Nations Force.

The United Nations Disengagement Observer Force (UNDOF) was established on 31 May 1974 by the United Nations Security Council Resolution 350 (1974), following the agreed disengagement of the Israeli and Syrian forces in the Golan Heights in May 1974.

The escalation of the conflict in the Syrian Arab Republic has affected the UNDOF area of operations significantly in recent months. If approved by Dáil Éireann, the role of the Defence Forces contingent will be to provide a mobile Company as Force Headquarters Reserve in UNDOF to cater for reinforcement, escort and other operations throughout UNDOF’s Area of Responsibility.

Speaking following the Government decision, the Minister said: “UNDOF remains an important element in ensuring some level of stability in the region.” He added “It is important that UNDOF has at its disposal all necessary means and resources to carry out its mandate safely and securely. The support of troop contributing countries, such as Ireland, to UNDOF, allows the mission to continue implementing its mandate in a safe and secure manner.” He went on to say that “the proposed deployment of an Irish contingent to UNDOF, if approved by Dáil Éireann, would bring the strength of the mission up to the authorised level of 1,250.”

END

OK, I note that it's part of a UN action. Still, it's a military presence where none need have been sent - for what that's worth.

Drummond

06-29-2015, 11:07 AM

No, just a cute dog I found on the internets.

No matter - well worth the 'add' ...

jimnyc

06-29-2015, 11:08 AM

^^ Yep, I was wrong, and now eating my words. The thing is, when I originally did my searches I searched for NI and Iraq/Afghan stuff. I knew full well that the "UK" was involved, but being a stupid foreigner, I wasn't sure how your military works, or if they had their own and such. I continued to search. I don't care if it's only 1 person that was sent, I thank them. It was more of a point than anything, even if I failed.

And just for an Fyi, I see the UK as little brothers and sisters, a kind of America afar. Our best allies even if not always in perfect agreement. I have no issue with the UK and never did. The UK did one HELL of a job in Iraq, and held more than just one town down. I'd like to say that America and her citizens thank you for that, more than you know - but this SHOULD be something we all gain from - seeing terrorists and such put down.

Drummond

06-29-2015, 11:25 AM

^^ Yep, I was wrong, and now eating my words. The thing is, when I originally did my searches I searched for NI and Iraq/Afghan stuff. I knew full well that the "UK" was involved, but being a stupid foreigner, I wasn't sure how your military works, or if they had their own and such. I continued to search. I don't care if it's only 1 person that was sent, I thank them. It was more of a point than anything, even if I failed.

And just for an Fyi, I see the UK as little brothers and sisters, a kind of America afar. Our best allies even if not always in perfect agreement. I have no issue with the UK and never did. The UK did one HELL of a job in Iraq, and held more than just one town down. I'd like to say that America and her citizens thank you for that, more than you know - but this SHOULD be something we all gain from - seeing terrorists and such put down.:clap::clap::clap::clap:

Very appreciated, Jim - thanks !!

Where military activity's concerned .. I've mixed feelings about what we achieve. I've two things to say, I think ...

The first may not bring me a great deal of agreement here ! I happen to feel not a little bit of pride in the British military. Wipe all thoughts of Monty Python's 'Camping It Up' squaddie sketch from your minds, even though it's hilarious (!!) ... I rate the British Army's sheer toughness, and professionalism, as second to none.

That we're so small in size as a military force in the world is down to politics, not a lack of fighting spirit when it really matters. And we have one quality that distinguishes us, I think, and in all honesty might be regarded as UN-American .. we approach military actions like machines. To me, that's the best possible way to get fighting consistency and sheer ruthlessness deployed when you need it to be. Have an enemy face a coldly implacable fighting machine, unyielding, immovable, in its determination to get a job done .. what could be worse for the enemy's morale ?

My second comment IS a lament that our fighting forces are so small - UK forces, in my view, should be double or triple their real size. I regret enormously that our contribution to the War on Terror was so comparatively feeble. Forces ranged against us are becoming a bigger threat. We should UPsize to meet that. But, I don't think we will.