system.However, for those who can not run Slacko due to a PC too old or other, I prepared a version of CheckMate based Racy.
I will try a Mate on Racy too.

Just for the record, Slacko has newer gcc, glibc and backend libs than Racy, so it would probably be better to stick with Slacko, rather than go with Racy. Racy is just Wary with newer kernel and newer Xorg.

If you want to go with something newer than Slacko, then Precise Puppy, would be the one; but it is still in beta, as far as I know.

Just for the record, Slacko has newer gcc, glibc and backend libs than Racy, so it would probably be better to stick with Slacko, rather than go with Racy. Racy is just Wary with newer kernel and newer Xorg.

If you want to go with something newer than Slacko, then Precise Puppy, would be the one; but it is still in beta, as far as I know.

In fact, I made a base with racy to allow older PCs can run the derivative. If I do, it will be just for LXDE, mate or gnome require more dependencies and I awayls break the system...
Upup seems to be a good idea, but few PCs can make it work right?
I'm really tent by Upup.

what do you think about that, Slacko, or Upup?_________________I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite Linux distrbution on the Citadel.

In fact, I made a base with racy to allow older PCs can run the derivative.

Oops, my apologies; I misunderstood your original post. But if you want to make a Puplet for older hardware, why not go with Wary instead of Racy?
Wary has the older kernel and thus has drivers for older hardware.

Upup tested fine for me on an 8 year old Pentium 4 machine, but if you're content with using Slacko, there's nothing wrong with that.

I would like to say that you are making a large contribution to the Puppy community with the LXDE and Mate desktops. In my humble opinion advances in the Puppy infrastructure have outstripped development of the user interface. Perhaps now a group will coalesce to help you give Puppy a face lift. This is all my opinion but I think both the LXDE and Mate desktops have a fresher, more modern look and feel, and I do believe that is important to users. Specifically I am glad to see a working recycle system. There are issues of course, but there are lots of clever people here. Maybe there could even be something ready to go simultaneously with the Slacko 5.3.4 release. Look at how quickly forum members helped Jejy69 refine the LXDE desktop.

I am sure everyone understands that I am not criticizing Slacko or any other Puppy in any way. IMO Slacko is the best-built Puppy ever, at least since I've been around. All the advances in the infrastructure have made it that way. That makes it the perfect foundation for an updated ui. Can I stop saying IMHO now?

Considerations:

1. Menus need work in both LXDE and Mate. A small hack could be made I think to PPM to copy the desktop file to the proper location for the LXDE menu, etc. Mate has most programs in the Other category.

2. Size:. LXDE is small enough as is--128MB was a target because that is the largest ISO that will load into a machine with 256MB RAM. Maybe size doesn't matter so much anymore though. Maybe there are clever people who can mix and match features of the LXDE and Mate desktops to create something unique and effective for Puppy.

3. The yelp help browser is a consideration. I personally hope that Help would work in every program that has it. Yelp will work I believe, but I think it now requires webkit--maybe that is a problem--maybe there are other solutions.

4. Layout of the desktop, desktop icons, etc. Possible inclusion of a launcher to complement a desktop with fewer icons.

One little story. My daughter,who has seen me working on Puppy for thousands of hours, walked by and saw Mate and said, "Wow, that's cool!"

Ok, here's a screen shot of Mate with a slightly modded application menu file from CheckMate. I then used the built in menu editor to change icons. Not finished yet but so far so good. Only 10 in the Other category and a few double entries.

Tman : I had so far failed to update the libraries with Wary. But that's it, I just manage to get a decent result. I had to update many libs, Glib, GTK 2.24.10, GDK, pixbuf, X11 etc ...
The old PCs can then perhaps turn checkmate, with latest LX apps.
For now, I have issues with geany, and the murrine engine for GTK, several themes, not displayed correctly, with a pink color, for "selected object".
For other, I think to continue with Slacko, I have less trouble with compilations.
Wary is hard for me... No Wifi, low resolution...

Playdaz :

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I would like to say that you are making a large contribution to the Puppy community with the LXDE and Mate desktops

Thanks .

I totally agree with you, several of my knowledge have not been able to adapt to the environment JWM. In fact, A simple trick, many are accustomed to right click on the desktop to change wallpaper, or a simple copy and paste may seem tedious in rox.
JWM bar can be hard to customize, to add shortcuts, whereas with Mate for example, a simple moving icon is enough. I think LXDE is a good alternative light matter, and the user knows how to navigate.

I take your remarks into account, thank you!

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One little story. My daughter,who has seen me working on Puppy for thousands of hours, walked by and saw Mate and said, "Wow, that's cool!"

Thou shalt thank your daughter, it motivated me if it pleases!

Rg66 : Thanks, if you want, you can send me your menu, I will integrate it in the next release. _________________I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite Linux distrbution on the Citadel.

Other than the menu issues, the GeNome theme has a small issue. When you right click on the clock, one of the window selectors or one of the workspace icons on the panel, the text is the same colour as the background. You can just barely see it when it's highlighted.

Oh, and just like Checkmate, ROX is still the default for a lot of things.

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