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Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Originally Posted by jimbo

The White House did not order a B & E. There is some question as to whether Nixon ordered it. The downfall of Nixon lay in the coverup and the lying about the issue. Nixon destroyed documents, most notably 26 or so minutes of a recording, and refused to give documents to Congress. Do you see a pattern here?

Several high level officials went to jail over Watergate, Nixon lost his job. Hopefully, the pattern will continue.

As for your assertion that a petty breakin in an office building compares to a botched program where 200 people were killed. I would have to disagree.

Primarily, Watergate was a cover up by the president of serious crimes aimed at subverting the democratic process.

In contrast, this is a case where documents have been declared priveleged to protect ongoing criminal investigations and probably the identities of undercover agents and confidential informants. The purpose of the underlying operation was to stem the flow of illegal, black market guns from the US to Mexican drug cartels.

Very similar.

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1. The protected communication must relate to a “quintessential and nondelegable
presidential power.” Espy and Judicial Watch involved the
appointment and removal and the pardon powers, respectively. Other core,
direct precedential decisionmaking powers include the Commander-in-
Chief power, the sole authority to receive ambassadors and other public
ministers, and the power to negotiate treaties. It would arguably not
include decisionmaking with respect to laws that vest policymaking and
administrative implementation authority in the heads of department and
agencies or which allow presidential delegations of authority.

2. The communication must be authored or “solicited and received” by a
close White House advisor (or the President). The judicial test is that an
advisor must be in “operational proximity” with the President. This
effectively means that the scope of the presidential communications
privilege extends only to the administrative boundaries of the Executive
Office of the President and the White House.

3. The presidential communications privilege remains a qualified privilege
that may be overcome by a showing that the information sought “likely
contains important evidence” and the unavailability of the information
elsewhere by an appropriate investigating authority. The Espy court found
an adequate showing of need by the Independent Counsel; while in
Judicial Watch, the court found the privilege did not apply, and the
deliberative process privilege was unavailing.

Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Originally Posted by Travis007

OHHHHHHHHH.... and what reliable sources? please share...

The L.A. Times, the Washington Post, and Politifact Texas all cite officials and/or official reports that the bullet was too badly damaged to be matched to a particular rifle. Not to mention the FBI ballistics report itself (which blows Molon Labe's sematic argument out of the water, BTW). This is essentially beyond dispute, and has already been pointed out at least once in this thread.

Originally Posted by Travis007

and "thinking'... really? I think we all do that..

I think you're wrong. When you include the parenthetical that I provided in the original, a preponderance of the evidence indicates that you're wrong.

Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Originally Posted by Karl

The L.A. Times, the Washington Post, and Politifact Texas all cite officials and/or official reports that the bullet was too badly damaged to be matched to a particular rifle. Not to mention the FBI ballistics report itself (which blows Molon Labe's sematic argument out of the water, BTW). This is essentially beyond dispute, and has already been pointed out at least once in this thread.

I believe you are right. The bullet was too badly damaged to be positively identified. But two weapons found at the crime scene were positively identified as coming from the F&F
guns. Does it really matter which gun fired the killing bullet?

Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Originally Posted by AdamT

Primarily, Watergate was a cover up by the president of serious crimes aimed at subverting the democratic process.

In contrast, this is a case where documents have been declared priveleged to protect ongoing criminal investigations and probably the identities of undercover agents and confidential informants. The purpose of the underlying operation was to stem the flow of illegal, black market guns from the US to Mexican drug cartels.

Very similar.

Nice try, Mr. I Love Obama, but even the president's own press secretary did not even try that angle. The angle being used is that these documents are INTERNAL executive branch communications basically about what not to disclose. LOL

“The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Originally Posted by AdamT

Primarily, Watergate was a cover up by the president of serious crimes aimed at subverting the democratic process.

In contrast, this is a case where documents have been declared priveleged to protect ongoing criminal investigations and probably the identities of undercover agents and confidential informants. The purpose of the underlying operation was to stem the flow of illegal, black market guns from the US to Mexican drug cartels.

Very similar.

Man... how do you do it?...

they are similar.. as F and F is about POLICY here on gun control to GET VOTES ..and people are dying.. like an American Border Patrol officer...

it had NOTHING to do with Guns in Mexico.. as Obama dont give a F about about that.. he is about CONTROLING and social re-engineering and us civilains losing our liberty.. its all about goverment,.

but they are not similar in this is FAR WORSE... and this marxist moron Kenyan Frank Marshall Hussein Obama said "he didnt know about it" so dont lie to us and say he was "trying to stem the tide of guns" when he said he had no idea of F and F...,so which line of BS you gonna try to jive us with now in your Pelosi bag of BS...

Priceless..you sound like Obama, you paint yourself into a corner or BS just like Obama... now which is it? he knew or didnt know?...

Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Originally Posted by jimbo

I believe you are right. The bullet was too badly damaged to be positively identified. But two weapons found at the crime scene were positively identified as coming from the F&F guns. Does it really matter which gun fired the killing bullet?

Not to me. But it must matter greatly to the right, since they keep insisting on repeating a known falsehood, which then makes their entire agenda on the matter suspect.

Re: Justice Dept says president has exerted executive privilege over Fast and Furious

Originally Posted by Karl

The L.A. Times, the Washington Post, and Politifact Texas all cite officials and/or official reports that the bullet was too badly damaged to be matched to a particular rifle. Not to mention the FBI ballistics report itself (which blows Molon Labe's sematic argument out of the water, BTW). This is essentially beyond dispute, and has already been pointed out at least once in this thread.

I think you're wrong. When you include the parenthetical that I provided in the original, a preponderance of the evidence indicates that you're wrong.

hahahaaaaa.. you said reliable source ( which you proved you have no idea what one is).. not yellow journalism out of liberal rags that are Obama cheerleading squads...