The phalanx: MRAs and MGTOW

A recent post I made on Facebook about my belief that the MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) movement is indirectly helping the Men’s Rights Activist movement certainly generated some interest and interesting opinions.

This topic provoked some serious thought about not only how I see myself, as I’m connected and a part of both movements to different degrees, but also both communities in their entirety, especially within the context of Australia although I hope the same can be said worldwide.

First (and I need to tread carefully here), I was brought to both movements from a place of sheer disbelief and pain at the way I was treated personally. I never wanted the Red Pill. I say this with absolute conviction. I would have been quite content being in the horrible situation I was in prior to all this. One day I hope I am free to write in full about the situation, however a lot can be inferred by the issues most important to me.

Six months on, my life has taken a completely new direction. One I never foresaw, which is ultimately far more fulfilling than I had thought possible when my journey started. My passion, energy and activism have all led me toward the path I now walk.

My primary identity in all this is as a Men’s Rights Activist. I realised very early on that my personal fight for justice depended on a system that was and continues to be totally against me because of what is between my legs, rather than in my heart or head. I also realised from 25 years involvement in Martial Arts with some of the most skilled and respected teachers in Australia that one of the best ways to help yourself is in the service of others. This is not some flippant statement. In the same way a teacher learns as much from his students as he teaches them in Martial Arts, helping others is not an entirely selfless act, but nor is it selfish. The benefits to both teacher and student in growth, self-development, and self-esteem are evidenced by the fact that the greatest masters I have known are still operating on the basis that they too are students well into old age (I hope none of them are offended).

On Facebook I created Men’s Rights Perth, became contributing editor and admin on a variety of Mens Rights, Fathers Rights, Genderless Domestic Violence, Family Law Reform and Suicide Prevention and Awareness pages. I have done and continue to do my best to actively help people online and in real life, all out of a homeless shelter. My greatest challenge will be to create a domestic violence shelter for men in Perth. This is not possible to do without the help of amazing people committed to helping others in much the same way. Too many to list, you know who you all are.

When I first started, I was also quickly drawn to MGTOW, from the get go. Without explaining in detail, I found myself soon with an amazingly passionate supporter and fellow activist I fell in love with.

MGTOW fast-tracked my education, and continues to be important to me along with mutual support from and for many prominent MGTOWs.

Now, whilst I believe MGTOW is important to the MRA movement in its entirety and even personally, the distinction must be very clear and very well drawn between MGTOW and MRA. MGTOW has no leadership or agenda. It has no political cause or care. It is simply a tool for individual self-preservation. The MRA movement is a lot more formalised, has leadership, has agendas, and absolutely relies on each other, as one of my friends put it, it can be likened to a phalanx.

There is a reason for this analogy. The phalanx formation in warfare (or riot control) is defensive. We are constantly under attack and the only way we can move forward is TOGETHER.

Many of our agendas are all under attack by the same enemy; radical feminism.

So if, like me, you consider yourself an MRA, look to those you respect in the movement and fight alongside that have been in the fight a lot longer. Take the advice they give, even if it is not what you want to hear. We are a small but growing army, and rely on unity to make every inch of ground we take. We do NOT fight for ourselves but each other. Our personal story and pain is always subordinate to Men’s Rights. We often remind each other how we don’t care about feelings, get up and hold formation. There is no room for prima donnas or bitching. The rule is GTFO. Get on or get out. Whether or not you like everyone or any particular MRA is of secondary concern.

Let’s keep it tight, the next couple of years I believe will be pivotal as MGTOW too provides the means for the changes we all want. Every small win is a win for us all. Likewise every loss.

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Shrek6

G’Day Scott. Welcome to AVfM. Good to see a Sandgroper here shouldering up with the rest of us. And great to hear you are putting together an online community. Not sure how successful you will be at achieving this in Sleepy Hollow, but I know there are enough men there to warrant such a community.

By the way. Here at AVfM, there are a great many MGTOWs. Some like me are here often, but many of them drop in when it suits them.

Too often do we see idiots coming here spouting their stupid ideas as to what it means to be ‘going your own way’ and they spell out specifications, rules and ideology. Thankfully our ‘Mistress at Arms,’ shows them the door with her size 6.5 boot up their Khyber Pass to help them on their way out.

There are MGTOWs who don’t involve themselves in the MHRM, but there are many who ‘choose’ to get involved, because they have skin and blood in the game. I too choose to be involved and do all I can within the constraints of my chosen lifestyle.

I wish you well and hope that your community builds exponentially greater in size, so that you can join with others throughout this once beautiful land and raise a merry ruckus so that the govt will finally sit up and take notice.

Tell me. Have you tried to have The Red Pill movie aired in Perth yet?
That is one way to test the waters and gain supporters. It will also give you an indication as to the size and strength of your opposition.

PlainOldTruth

Call it the lightning rod technique. Works.

menrppl2

way to keep your eye on the ball, and focus on what matters

notinline

20 years ago, before I knew anything about mgtow, mra, etc…. I asked myself what I went to work at my job for.. ..WHAT FOR??….To make more money for someone else than they paid ME??…..To serve a society of injustice that had very little interest in justice??….To serve a society that held so many beliefs that are antithetical to my own??
I then started to work for things that I thought MATTERED but it sure didn’t make me any money.
Good that many folks are waking up.

PlainOldTruth

According to some, such as Paul Joseph Watson, today’s young adults increasingly despise the entire political correctness cult ESTABLISHMENT (which includes, prominently, feminism). Every aspect of this political correctness establishment is loaded with lies, false historical narrative, bio-denialism, fake data, and bogus “science,” just like the subset of it we know as feminism.

Chris

Generation Z is supposed to be the most conservative since WW2.

Max

My 14 year old son certainly is.

Kronk

Look up Aaron Clarey for more on that…

notinline

Yep, watched a bunch of his vids last year..Especially appreciated his views about things not being peoples’ fault because the politicians had screwed stuff up so very badly…telling foks to go ahead and get on welfare because those paying the tab were the ones who screwed it up in the first place …..TRUE

Kronk

Yeah I don’t know how I feel about that; those ‘paying the tab’ end up being you and me while the corrupt politician also collects a fat salary to continue their malfeasance.

Better to be self sufficient, perhaps even even off the grid?

‘The government cannot give anything away that it did not first take from somebody’

Chris

I recall watching a video of a woman who disguised herself as a man and assumed a male identity for several months. At one point, she was asked if men would rebel against the system. Her reply was that men didn’t even possess words or language to express their grievances. That got me to thinking about the novel 1984, how the language itself was being dumbed down to point people wouldn’t even have the means to express sentiment for rebellion.

That’s one of the most powerful weapons that the whole manosphere has provided, the actual words and language to express grievances, and access to other people who feel the same way, share the same experiences. In that manner the Feminists and PC speech crowd were right, words and language matter. Before if an individual man attempted complaint, he was immediately told to shut up and man up, and he did, because that’s just the way it is.

Now that the language exists, the list of grievances can be compiled, men are getting organized, and plans for redress formulated. Worst for the forces of gynocentrism, men refuse to shut up and man up silently anymore.

Bora Bosna

Such language for men to express themselves has always been vilified by societies throughout history, called “slang” or “vulgar” or “cursing” etc. It has always been pushed to the sidelines, back alleys, dirty holes. This completely disproves anthropologists’ claims of “androcentrism” in the past.

Theseus

This woman (Nora Vincent), that assumed the identity of a man for several months, when interviewed at the end, emphatically stated that men are not privileged and that they need our compassion and sympathy.

This should be required red pill viewing along with the Cassie Jay’s movie. Both women (Cassie and Nora) had a pre-conceived world view that was completely shaken after they dug deeper into the world men’s issues. Just as importantly both women come across as completely honest, sincere, and likable.

Kronk

Both of those women, born into that ingrained (but erroneous belief system) are that way only because men allow it to continue (generation after generation) by their almost complete apathy. And yet, we only come here to write about it instead of fixing the problem once and for all…

Can it be said that men actually want it this way?

Qui tacet consentire videtur, ubi loqui debuit ac potuit (He who is silent, when he ought to have spoken and was able to, is taken to agree)

Graham Strouse

Nora Vincent impressed the heel out of me. I remember that project & her considered reaction. It must not have been easy.

PlainOldTruth

Quite right. The unity message is crucial. Unity through self-mastery in multiple; the opposite to conformity to the state/corporation/cult collectivist entity.

Marcos F.A.

Congratulations for your activism, especially with people in real life.
I stopped pay attention in MGTOWs a while ago when they have begun with things such MGTOW 2.0, MGTOW+, MGTOW levels and gradations and all sort of crazy theories with too much specific and strict rules on how to be a “real MGTOW”, which contradicts the purpose of the OWN part in “Men Going Their Own Way”.
Is it still happening? Can someone link me some decent MGTOW sites?

I know, right? Why would men like us leave one herd just to join another? IMO, that is not going one’s own way. Others may disagree but then it means that all men can go their own way, whatever the path is.

Marcos F.A.

I support the idea a man should ignore any pressure made over him just and only because he is a man, especially when it comes on how men should give especial treatment to women, and do as he pleases (as long it does not trespass general society’s rules everyone must obey, of course). If MGTOW is about to stick with this basic principle, I would gladly identify myself as one of them.

What you are describing is the MGTOW Club, which is not to be confused with MGTOW per se.

MGTOW per se is just the consequence of radical feminist conditions that have impacted males in a damaging way. Simple cause and effect.

And as long as the cause continues to operate, so will the effect.

Saracen III

“Get on or get out”. Fair enough.
Just so I know where the phalanx is headed: are we advocating the abolition of Alimony?

TheWanderer

I don’t see the point in alimony. Women are able to sustain themselves, and if they can’t. Daddy government is always willing to come running in.

Although, I would rather the government not have a role in how peoples lives should be lived etc as possible. I’m all for small government.

Kronk

“The point” is a transfer of wealth scheme with the male as the payor and female as the payee (after the corrupt government gets their cut of course) and you can look up Title IV-D of the Social Security Act for more information on how the corrupt government makes MILLIONS each year from divorces that they encourage!

YES! it is a conflict of interest and
YES! it is illegal and
YES! it happens anyway and
that is because we allow it to.

TheWanderer

I should have added “I don’t see the point in alimony anymore” I could see it back then, although I don’t know, I wasn’t born then so who knows. But we aren’t in that time period anymore so I believe we should abandon Alimony.

I’m not fond of Child Support either, especially with how it tries to undermine the father to make it almost impossible for him to pay, or make him pay for an unreasonable amount that he can’t even pay for that is way beyond his earning potential. Then they throw him in jail. It’s insane.

Kronk

There was never a point to alimony because both the man and the women AGREED that she would stay home and he would go make money. That agreement IN NO WAY extended beyond the marriage else no man would sign up to ever get married in the first place.
In other words, she did work too, but at the house. Just because it was not paid by money, does in no way infer that ALL OF A SUDDEN now she gets money just because she wants a new boy-toy?

How in the hell do we allow this to continue???

Saracen III

There was originally valid reason for alimony. Before No-Fault Divorce / Birth Control / Abortion-on-Demand, an unexpected pregnancy could blow a hole in a woman’s life. She would become instantly unmarriageable and, cruelly, unemployable. The co-offending male could often be induced to marry the lass, but how to keep him there? For the poor there were humorless dads with axe-handles. For everyone else there were the divorce courts – you pay, whether or not you stay. Alimony was the secret sauce that made a man look twice at his paramour, and thrice at his bride-to-be.

When Birth Control came along there was no immediate reason to take alimony off the books. There were still scumbags who would abandon a faithful wife with four young ‘uns for the waitress in the next town, because breasts.

But the Olde Way is long gone, and it is staying gone. In law and in practice the female has total say over whether she becomes and stays pregnant. Alimony now enforces payment for broken contracts. The $40 Bn/year divorce industry is a sweet gravy-train of sorrow. Kill Alimony and it will die for lack of fuel.

Shrek6

With all due respect Mate, but I have to disagree with you forthrightly, because you have spouted a one sided pile garbage and I just have to respond.

Oh wait, so there were only “scumbags who would abandon a faithful wife” back in the good ol days huh?

And, “She would become instantly unmarriageable and, cruelly, unemployable.”
Please, give me a break. Someone get me a bucket, because this guy is dribbling all this crap about the poor little women of the past who were so down trodden.

So the majority of divorces/separations were caused by some dick who wanted younger skirt and of course back then the women were just angels.

Please take that vomit and post it on a femtard website, because that’s where it belongs.

Throughout the whole of human history, women have never once been more morally upright than men. Not once!

So tell me, how many of those “Scumbags” were actually driven out of their homes desperately trying to find someone to love them, by a foul stinking abusive bitch?
And how many of them ended up on the streets with not a bloody thing to their names?
Oh and by the way, even back then the women were still looked after if they were homeless and destitute. The men however, were kicked to the streets and told to get a job.

No my friend, Alimony and child support or child maintenance, has always been an extortion racket.
Why?
Because women have been able to work for easily the past 100 years. Plus they have had family to assist them back then too.

Even in my country where there was no crappy no fault (read as ‘Man’s fault’) divorce, women have been able to find work for all of the last century. Heck, after WWII there weren’t enough men around to fill the bloody jobs. Someone had to do them. So any woman who wanted to work and earn money, was able to do so and guess what else?
They got a cheap tax rate.

Hey, for many years after I started work, I was forced to pay a single man’s tax. That’s right. I had to suffer being penalised for not doing my civic duty and take on an abusive parasite and turn my life to shit. Never heard of a woman having to pay single woman’s tax, but I could be wrong too. After all, I’m just a man with his brains in his scrotum and simply can’t resist some young skirt.

Kronk

My green friend, you took the response right out of me and I’m sure said it much better. As well, I’m not sure any ‘respect’ is due to that poster. I, for one, am damn sick and tired of idiots coming here on a MENS WEBSITE and telling us all how shitty we all are!

When will people like Saracen III FINALLY admit that when he writes, “There were still scumbags who would abandon a faithful wife with four young ‘uns for the waitress in the next town, because breasts” that this ‘innocent’ waitress was cheating on her husband at home?!?!?

“Virtually every aspect of what I call the ‘bad divorced dad’ image has turned out to be a myth, an inaccurate and damaging stereotype. Not only is this myth seriously inaccurate, it has led to harmful and dangerous social policies.” Sanford L. Braver with Diane O’Connell, Divorced Dads: Shattering the Myths (New York: Tarcher/Putnam, 1998), p. 6.

But somehow only the male is at fault?

Shrek6

No Kronk, it’s only ever men who cheat. Remember!

The question to ask all these idiots is. Exactly who do they think these men are cheating with?
Animals?
Some mythical creature?

Nope. Just women. Bloody women who are supposed to be all innocent and chaste. They are no better than the dogs they are allowing to mount them. And there are many of them, going by the rates of paternity fraud in most Western Countries.

Guestronomy

A small corection of your statment
“Because women have been able to work for easily the past 100 years”
I am not aware of any point in history where women were unable to work, apart from the late victorian ban on women and childern working in some dangerous jobs like mining (lobbied for by mostly rich women) I am aware that the used to be a taboo against working in all but a few jobs among the upper class. to demonstrate that they were better than the common women,

Shrek6

Yes you are of course correct. Indeed, women have been working for hundreds if not thousands of years. And unfortunately the slavery of children was born out of this mentality of putting everyone to work, especially if the numbers of men dropped for some reason

I was referring mostly to this era of modern society. I think the only exception would have been the great depression, but that only lasted a short while, then once the slaughtering started with all the men sent off to war, the women were all put to work.
There were some restrictions due to war coupons and some foods kept exclusively for the war effort.

However, I was really only interested in the era post wars where women were able to make a sizeable income.

Before birth control, there was no such thing as an unexpected pregnancy. It was the expected result of sex. Women who had sex with men to whom they weren’t married were one of two things: Prostitutes, or the kind of potential wife who would likely cuckold her husband. The former was honestly paid for her services but the latter expected to be “paid” (supported) by one man while having other men’s children – and of course she expected her husband to support them too. This was in a world where most men could barely afford to support their own offspring, let alone their wives’ lovers’ children. Such women became “instantly unmarriageable and, cruelly, unemployable” for good reason – they were destructive to the family unit, which is the foundation of every successful civilization.

You might want to rethink your framing of them as hapless victims of circumstance, and consider that they were merely “suffering” the consequences of their own destructive behavior. Before no fault divorce wronged wwives were paid alimony by the husbands who were found to be “at fault.” (Wronged men were not, based on the assumption that they could support themselves.) Wives who broke the marriage contract were appropriately sent packing with nothing but the clothes on their backs.

Shrek6

There has never been a need for alimony or child support. Both are part of an extortion racket set up by the govt to benefit mostly women and also govt to a lesser degree, but to also keep very many men oppressed and down trodden, so that they are in a manageable position.

This has all been part of a plan of big govt to use whatever means it could, to emasculate and oppress men to the point where they would either be so disenfranchised they would have no desire to fight due to lack of patriotism, or they are forcibly restrained by the govt and cannot fight.

I don’t give a toss if a woman has spent 20 years only doing domestic work, but then ends up divorced (usually by her own hand) she is now in need of money. So she can get off her fat arse and go get a job. If she was not lazy at home, she would have accumulated many skills that can be used within some manufacturing plants, or at the very least as a cleaner.

It’s time we start pointing the finger at these lazy women and start telling them the same things we tell men who refuse to work.

Child support is easily fixed. If you have kids, you are 50% financially liable for most of the costs attached to raising that child. And guess what? Compared to what the child support agencies steal from men, it actually costs approximately 25% of that amount to raise a child each fortnight.

Split the costs. If the woman can’t pay her half, then the child lives with the father 100% until she gets off her arse and gets a job. And vice versa!
Access for visits should be very frequent and if this access is stopped by the custodial parent, it should be met with imprisonment of a minimum of one year no parole. Punishment should be severe to prevent any form of alienating child abuse.

No one should be paying any money to help pay for the roof over another parents head, or for the electricity or any other service, OR for food and clothing. You get a job and pay for your own.
School uniforms are different. Both pay for that expense!

You pay for the food for your own house, but split the costs of the kids for education, medical and other essentials. Outside of that, you get off your arse, get a job and pay all your own expenses, including that of the child when that child is with you 50% OF THE TIME!

Abolish all alimony AND child support.

Kronk

The Master speaks!

I could not agree more!

TheWanderer

That makes more sense, I wasn’t sure if it was needed back then so I wasn’t sure. So I definitely retract that bit, I would rather it be gone completely, and I am in agreement with you. I don’t think you should be paying for her, she should be paying for her own crap with her decision to divorce.

Kronk

Are you aware that if you are stupid enough to get married in Florida they have LIFETIME vagimony against men?!
Yup, your kids are all dead and gone, you are now 85 y/o and still paying the gold-digger! For the crime of getting married you PAY UNTIL DEAD!!!
I’m not sure how anybody justifys this blatant theft but nobody cares enough to do anything about it so, yeah-

For several years now a few good-men have tried to stop this crime against males but the gynocentric governor keeps shooting it down because he knows the female voted him in to office.
Yes you read that correctly, he LITERALLY cares more for his job than what is fair, moral and just.

In a competitive mindset, yes, I would think men should want some men out of the picture. But men know they are lying to women when it comes to nature, but how feminists want all women to believe it is men who are to blame instead of nature. So, in another competitive way, perhaps more and more men are starting to see that one can be a real man—competing for that coveted spot(s), but also see the goodness in not losing their bearings over women when it comes to honesty as a component of attained manhood.

At least, this would be a dream come true for me. It gives us something to look forward to.

Ciara A

Oh brother.

Shrek6

So what are you saying?
Showing a little frustration or just being a smart arse?

I find MGTOW to be as hilarious as Feminism. It’s an extreme ideology, from the get-go. I sympathize with the reasons, but the insistence on polarization is more harmful than useful, to anyone. Feminism does it with the title – empowering the feminine solely. MGTOW does it with the title too – a separation from women.

Whenever I see someone posting about their wife being shitty, or women being crazy, or what have you, I’ll post #MGTOW to mock them. 😀

You find feminism hilarious? In what way I wonder, – is it the political power, the governmental funding, or what? Maybe you’rr just saying that you are kinda above it all and that such small things don’t reach you elevation?
I think you have a veiw on feminism that I would like to hear.

MGTOW don’t polarize; they just don’t engage. PigTOW polarize. PigTOW have been running amok for the past couple of years but the MGTOW have figured them out. PigTOW are being pushed back into the margins where they belong.

You’re the mod who removed my website link, right? It is libel to call it “spam”. It is 100% full of authentic content and has zero spam in it. To mock my site in -my own post- that you edited is both libel and abuse [of power]. I ask that you to revert that action and offer an apology.

MGTOW is nothing like feminism. It isn’t even opposite or in contrast to feminism. MGTOW is something completely different, but for the men involved, it is something very positive.

If you are referring to some ideological MGTOW, then I suggest you read Suzy’s post and go do some research. But be careful you don’t respond with anything derogatory about us MGTOW, or you might find a hostile response from one of us. That is of course, if we so choose to treat with you.

Karl Dawg

Mister Koss you need to educate yourself on what a MGTOW really is, I won’t do it for you and while you’re at it learn something will ya or mock off.

discussted

Ummm i dont think you really know what MGTOW is after what you posted. some MGTOW posting stupid things on their forums about women is no worse as you posting something really dumb about MGTOW on an MRA forum. It doesnt make you care less about men or women and it doesnt make MGTOW anything like feminism or extreme. Its all shit posting and people trying to figure things out while they judge.

So, i suggest you read up and learn about what MGTOW is, even if some of their users dont fit your pre conceived notions and initial judgements.

MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) is a broad social phenomenon that arose as a result of radical feminism, which defines women as a political sex class and men as an enemy class.

MGTOW happened due to the implementation of radical feminist ideas within the culture at large – a natural effect of that cause. Numerous men, on a very deep level, have realized that the social contract is broken, and that they had better start looking out for number one. Hence, they are “going their own way”, like Atlas shrugging off the burden of upholding civilization.

That’s MGTOW, more or less. Essentially, it is an open-source cultural idea. Of course, some people appear to think that MGTOW is a woman-obsessed YouTube-based cult centered around such personalities as Barbarosssaa, Stardusk, Sandman, etc…etc….

But that’s another story.

Jesse James

MGTOW is clearly misunderstood by you. Yes, the negative gained by it’s increase is a net loss of viable men producing children, more wealth than they need (for tax and family), and a loss of men in the protection of society and women as a whole.

Me personally, I was in the American service for ten years. I went in with the pro-woman, pro-patriot, pro-America is the savior of the world mentality………and I left with a kid I was not allowed to see except one week per year when it was convenient, and I could be tortured before, during, and after seeing my kid. I saw men and women abuse each other, me, and others just to get ahead. Followed the past few years by many of their bosses, and therefore I am assuming them, getting hammered in corruption cases. Now, I think we are possibly the bad guys. Not just those we are attacking. WW2 may have been for the right reasons, but most everything after not so much.

So regardless of how much weight a man carried for his country if you will, like a Navy SEAL, to a lowly pencil pusher, they are all treated the same by their country upon divorce. If a Navy SEAL’s risk taken grants them less rights than a criminal, then what does that say about the government they serve?

If you, women, and governments the world over want the benefit of men’s labor and intellectual prowess, it behooves YOU to treat them with respect. But you can’t do it. You’re brainwashed.

I don’t think it’s necessarily extreme, so much as it is poorly defined…much like feminism. Acronyms and -isms only work if everyone in the commmunication loop is using the same diction & has fairly similar experiences. Codes are handy if you’re trying to confuse an enemy, not so much if you’re trying to communicate with a civilian.

Kronk

“Our personal story and pain is always subordinate to Men’s Rights.”

If more men believed that perhaps we would not have to come here anymore nevertheless, as it is today, most men will gladly throw you and me (even their own sons!) under the bus just to get some vagina to smile at them!

Sick bastards every one of them…

Tome Jorgev

The way I look at it, the MRA has always been the carrot, has always tried to get society and women to change their attitude towards men by appealing to their compassion, their better nature. (Fat lot of good that did them)

MGTOW is the stick. The MRA can finally say “Look, you should try looking at things our way otherwise THAT (points at MGTOW) is ganna keep happening more and more often”.

This article is is interesting, but totally “manospheric” in its political mindset. The growth of mainstream (post-manospheric) anti-feminism in the last 3 – 4 years seems to have escaped the author’s purview. That is a consequential omission, given that around 85% of self-described anti-feminists do not consider themselves a part of the so-called “manosphere”.

However, you would not know this from reading the article, which speaks purely in the language of manospheric discourse and seems oblivious to more recent developments. The “manosphere” is only one entity on a much larger political map.

Graham Strouse

The language is kind of an issue. When a word or catch-phrase can hold too many meanings, it means nothing at all. Feminism has had this affliction for a long time and it seems like the MRM is starting to catch it. MGTOW means one thing to a guy whose been fucked by a divorce, is bleeding half his wealth to pay alimony & isn’t allowed to see his kids. To most people, it just sounds like a very silly acronym, or possibly a shoulder-fired missile you’d use to take out a T-55 tank. Precision in language matters when you’re trying to convey a message and influence people. When you use your in-group code to talk to the out-group, most likely they’ll think that you’re weird, offensive, or an idiot, even if they largely agree with you. I started out studying philosophy and modern English poetry in college and it was like the Tower of Babel…or more usually Babble. If you want to win people over and to just fucking win you need to communicate with folks in language that they can both understand. I gotta say, even though I am personally very cautious when getting into relationships with women, for a number of reasons, many of which y’all likely understand, I’d never call myself a MGTOW. I’d probably just get strapped to the turret of an M2 Bradley by an addled infantry officer who figured that TOW and MGTOW were basically the same thing and then someone would try and fire me at a Russian tank, which would suck, because I already have concussion issues…

Stay safe, sane is optional,

Graham

bloke

Referring to observations made from John Calhoun’s mouse utopia experiment,later reproduced amongst rats: the social and behavioural implications regarding our burgeoning human population maybe a harbinger for us. Social phenomenon like “the beautiful ones”, violence between sexes and amongst own sex,pansexualism,neglecting or violence towards young is all observable in humans.
Humans have agency therefore have the ability to modify our environment,mice don’t.
Humans are following an inevitable course as demonstrated by those experiments,and despite our agency to adapt,perhaps overpopulation is the overarching factor in observable social phenomenon such as the MGTOW and MRA response to feminism( amongst other observable social pathologies.)
In the rodent experiments, those who showed adaption ability were called”velocity mice”.
Men have had to adapt to increasingly gynocentric,overpopulated conditions that don’t seem to favour them with movements like MGTOW and MRA’s. In this sense,I consider these groups to be the “velocity mice” who are creatively adapting ,and whose response has been validated by other mammals via Calhoun’s experiments..

crydiego

It is time for all men’s groups to realize that we have already won and we have to move on from there. The giant feminist over reach is ending like a burning Zeppilen and men need to be a part of the new order. Feminism is now a recurring joke and we must join with honest women and move forward.
The Voice For Men could now be called The Voice Of Men.

Serge Ibaka

Hell no.

crydiego

Hell no should be on our t-shirts because we now can say it out loud, – and say it together. Feminism isn’t an organization anymore, rather, it is a political machine with only children and fools dressed as vaginas as followers. It is time to force equality in ALL laws, in the courts and in real life.

crydiego

This article is so great. People are beginning to and it is time for the voices of men to be in the mix. My new mantra will be something I read recently, “You’re not a feminist, you’re an ass-hole.”