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Linux. GNU. Freedom.Thu, 15 Feb 2018 18:04:15 +0000hourly1https://wordpress.org/?v=5.0-alpha-42199By: factotum218https://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-110762
Sun, 21 Mar 2010 04:26:01 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-110762If word processing, email, chat, and remote access is all you need for a work environment you have quite a bit to learn.

A basic Linux system, workstation as some call it, is fantastic. Start dabbling into more specialty nor niche tasks and shits the bed.

If only more attention and manpower could be focused on the applications themselves instead of the hype campaigns of new distribution "features" and reinvention of half-baked wheels every couple years.

I've been a Linux admin for almost a decade all the while giving it a go on the desktop once in a while. To be honest I feel like I've been coming back to the same desktop over and over again for the last 8 years. It's almost as if Adobe was in charge. Why run Photoshop CS4 when 4 or 5 does just as well.

]]>By: joamhttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-109996
Wed, 20 May 2009 23:30:23 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-109996linux sucky sucks sux0rs
]]>By: L2UseWindows[censored]https://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-109965
Fri, 15 May 2009 19:33:34 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-109965LOL. O M F G!. You should really research WELL before you post your misguided comments on the internet. Then leave a comments section on it to. Lets point out your fails. Since you state in your comparison that his is a corporate environment lets roll on how the real IT boys do it.

[The rest of this comment has been removed due to the choice language chosen by this intellectual individual. I kept adding "[censored]" tags, but when I passed 20 of them, I realized that the comment just didn't make much sense anymore, and probably was best to just remove it. If you want to keep comments open here, let's try something novel and new: keep the language intellectual and semi-smart, so I can at least take you seriously. If you want respect, then act like it. Your fanboi comments aren't getting you anywhere, and belittling me or using foul language will just get your comment removed. So, let's try again, shall we?] -- The administrator

Installation
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Questions for you:
How many percent of the worlds population who uses Internet have access to a 100Mbit/s network?
Where can one find the "easy" command "ufw"? In some manual prolly, right?

"Kickstart, Pressed and the hybrid Kickseed".. WTF!? Unstable*, unstable, unstable. Not even a feature, more like a bug.

Security
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Xp - No firewall software!? WTF? Yes there is, and if you don´t like it, install another. [..]listening on all interfaces.. - Modified truth. They do not listen on all interfaces by default, some do and they can easily be shut off. "After installing these machines, I need them ready for the corporate environment"??! Who says, maybe you are a 13-year old Colombian girl (probably so). Stop using your own scenario as default! Your whole argument is based upon a sysadmin/developer/IT-technician perspective. Like always with Linux you disregard the NORMAL users and that´s why you are loosing the battle.

Remote administration
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Once again you selected something YOU need. You already use Linux so what is exactly your point? If you are aiming to be taken seriously, maybe you should try to explain how a normal user with no programming/administrator-experience can set up and use Linux successfully. That´s my challenge for you!

"both for the user and the administrator".. nope.. you have proven nothing about the USER, like always. What you have said is that if you are you, Linux is better. But you see, the rest of the world is not you. The main issue with Linux people is that they think everyone has the same experience as they do and that is the only thing you have proven with this post. Step out of your "Itworksforme"-box for once for christs sake...

]]>By: farmboyhttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-107361
Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:32:24 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-107361i didn't know there was Ubuntu not until i was surfing in dell 3 days ago and they have computers with Ubuntu.

with Ubuntu 8.04 almost all of the program needed by an average user is installed with it at no cost! plus i don't get to worry about virus!

i am still learning Ubuntu's environment.

Ubuntu is the best choice for home computing! Ubuntu you're great!!!

but i read a very a comment above regarding installation, yeah why installation in Ubuntu is complicated? like go to terminal type this and that. is there a way to simplify that part?

]]>By: Anthonyhttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106488
Sat, 16 Aug 2008 20:34:50 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106488You should let your software detect Mac OS x86, which is what I'm using.
]]>By: lukyhttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106349
Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:45:41 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106349Was it worth it?
]]>By: Try againhttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106336
Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:15:05 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106336"Second, I have much better things to do with my time, then bicker back and forth about why one is better than the other and vice versa."

Hmm...this seems to contradict the point of your original post. Please prove to me how Linux will be the ultimate benefactor.

]]>By: Adrianhttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106326
Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:22:41 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106326Congratulations, you made a fool of yourself.
]]>By: machpizzahttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106320
Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:13:34 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106320It's good to see you come around, Aaron. You used to be so against LHB!
]]>By: Aaronhttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106313
Mon, 11 Aug 2008 04:21:49 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106313@Bobert- No, I won't be continuing this discussion further. The response issued by LHB is good. Solid arguments, and well executed. Further, LHB also proved, beyond a shadow of a doubt, many of my arguments through the response. So, while you see "epic FAIL", I see success. However, at any event, I won't be responding in kind. First, I'm really not interested in a "Bible Bash", so to speak. Flame wars are annoying, and immature. Second, I have much better things to do with my time, then bicker back and forth about why one is better than the other and vice versa. As it stands, I will continue to keep LHB in my feed reader, as it provides valuable insight into Linux desktop usability (through other posts and various planets that is). This sort of criticism will make the Linux desktop stronger, so bad press, or good press, is still press, and Linux will be the ultimate benefactor.

Ok, so it's been 4 or 5 days now. Are you going to reply to LH's response to your challenge or what?

I can understand if you're embarrassed about your epic FAIL, but at least some sort of acknowledgment would be nice for those of us who have been following the comments here and at LHB.

By not acknowledging LH's response, you're only making your cause look worse. After all, YOU are the one who issued the challenge.

]]>By: mehttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106280
Sat, 09 Aug 2008 19:51:06 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106280I guess the biggest issue with Linux promoters (I admit I'm one of them) is, that most of them carry arguments, which 99% of the users just don't care. Sometimes it sounds like a commie speech...THAT is the reason why Linux sucks on the desktop. On the server, Linux is already king because the user base is totally different from the desktop user base. That said, as long as the developers don't code for the mass, but still for themselves and their likes, Linux will fail on the desktop for sure. Another mistake is the release current cycle. Distributors adopted the Microsoft approach, which is fine if you intend to sell software, but is certainly wrong if you distribute it for free. The distributors job would be testing new application releases and system improvements and release it by the time. No package-cycle is necessary for that. Radical changes can be tested in a test branch and integrated afterwards into the stable branch. Today, you create a dev-branch put in all the kinky stuff and polish it upon you think it's stable. The difference is the way it gets stable, today you take the unstable thing and make it stable, what's needed is, that you just improve and extend the stable branch with new things. That's a totally different world.
]]>By: vihttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106277
Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:44:28 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106277So, you say productivity software... What about a decent native Linux text editor at the level of PSPad?
]]>By: paulhttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106274
Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:58:00 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106274Unfortunately you made a complete fool out of yourself. Your complete lack of knowledge about windows makes your whole comparison worthless. The question remains tho, where do you get all those wrong impressions from? Maybe you have listened to the wrong FUD for too long?. Go check reality without mixing up technology and idealism and retrofitting your findings to your weltbild. Thanks.

BTW: There are a lot of *unix lovers* like you out there and they are the worst thing for unix ever.

"//I also wanted to comment that I find it amusing that the linuxhaters blog is hosted on a Linux system.. If they truly hated it or thought it not ‘worthy’, you’d think they would drink their own Kool-Aid and find a Windows-Based Blog provider..//

Way to totally miss the entire point of the LH blog, old fart."

Did you fail English Zippy? Way to miss the operative word 'IF'...

]]>By: Meishttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106237
Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:30:44 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106237Side note, please update your site software, I am using IE8 not IE7.
]]>By: Meishttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106236
Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:29:26 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106236Wow, just wow. I work at an almost all Windows campus and boy are yo uever wrong.
1) The unattended installer that is BUILT-IN to Windows XP allows you to set everything from system settings to autoadding to a domain to post install commands, and all from a plain text config file (Vista uses an XML file). Using Windows PE (free from Microsoft) you can boot from USB, cd/dvd-rom, or network to get to a stripped down "live" version of Windows which from the you can launch an over-the-network or from cd install of XP or Vista, which unattended over-the-network does not take all that long.
2) Linux's "security" comes from a lower userbase mostly, not an inherent nature. Virus have and do currently exist for Linux. In a corporate environment, using Active Directory, users are by default NOT administrators. As for firewall, good system admins know you don't use local client firewalls on ANY machine inside the network, no matter what OS. You use one or more HARDWARE firewalls to protect the network as a whole. SP2, as has already been mentioned, has its firewall on by default (another feature, btw, which is completely configurable in the WINNT.SIF unattend file).
3) Microsoft would include Office with Windows if people like you wouldn't stomp your feet and cry about monopolies every time Microsoft wants to add something.
4) As far as remote administration goes SMS (now SCCM) is your greatest friend. This simple tool, from Microsoft, integrates into the very useful mmc and allows all sorts of remote tracking, management, and software install (using built in Windows capabilities, it merely puts a different interface to them). As far as scripting languages, built in to XP are: VBScript, C#Script, JScript, and Batch scripting at least. We automatically push out all our software installs to our users with nothing more than batch and VBScript. Heck, using WINNT.SIF to allow a post install command and set number of automatic logins, we merely give a username and password to the machine to the domain and name the machine, everything else is scripted and automated (including updates) for every Windows install and are done seamlessly over the network.

So, really, before you speak on a topic, please at least be familiar with the subject your talking about.

]]>By: Simonhttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106234
Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:04:45 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106234@Aaron:
Instead of wasting your time censoring the comments to get a family-friendly blog (your problems with the f-word are such a laugh), you'd better spend your time writing another blog post "Sorry linux hater obviously I was wrong and didn't make a point. Next time I'll try better."
]]>By: freetardhttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106232
Fri, 08 Aug 2008 18:39:38 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106232@pboyington

//I also wanted to comment that I find it amusing that the linuxhaters blog is hosted on a Linux system.. If they truly hated it or thought it not ‘worthy’, you’d think they would drink their own Kool-Aid and find a Windows-Based Blog provider..//

Way to totally miss the entire point of the LH blog, old fart.

]]>By: Aaronhttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106228
Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:59:52 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106228@beerfan- You have the freedom to express your feelings as you wish. You do not have the freedom to choose your consequences however. This blog is family-friendly.
]]>By: beerfanhttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106227
Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:42:32 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106227It's odd to see such a large percentage of censored comments in response to a post by someone who claims to value freedom. Perhaps censorship is only bad when other people do it, eh?
]]>By: Joshua Hhttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106225
Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:37:11 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106225okay there are lots of technical errors in this post. the first comment you made is inherently wrong. first off, any "system administrator" should know that you can make "hands off" installers. and about the serials?
why would you have a single use serial for a corporate environment? you get the multi-use key and make a hand's off install on multiple discs, then all you do is insert the disc in each PC and let the install run.
remote administration is also, by default, pre-installed on windows XP and vista. I could continue, but obviously your not the "system admin" that you claim to be, you learn these basics in any A+ or Cisco class, which obviously you have yet to take.
]]>By: mehttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106213
Fri, 08 Aug 2008 16:30:11 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106213"It seems he knows a bit about Linux, but mainly just feeds off of planets looking for criticisms to target."

Well, then you haven't read his blog careful enough. He knows a lot of Linux and if you read his blog careful enough, you will see, that he is not a Windows user, but a Mac OS X user. His critic is maybe very rude and harsh, but valid, though. The style he point to those things is probably just a way to stand out from the crowd. He doesn't just say Linux is crap, he points to the areas where the fish stinks, that means he actually still loves Linux, but he thinks it's nevertheless not useable at the moment...

That's how I read his blog.

]]>By: Johnhttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106207
Fri, 08 Aug 2008 09:38:27 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106207I agree with the majority that the 'Linux Hater' is anything but. I use Linux as a server, but cannot recommend it to my friends as a desktop solution...at least not yet. There are too many issues that need worked out yet. Have you ever tried to install a program on Linux? If you have, it's clear it's nowhere near the simplicity of Windows program installation. If we are really being honest about it, Linux will never make prime time until package installation is on par with Windows. Additionally, Linux needs a way to easily run Windows apps. Sorry, WINE doesn't cut it. Once those issues are fixed, Linux will have a fighting chance.
]]>By: tinkertimhttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106191
Fri, 08 Aug 2008 06:25:24 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106191So many of your points start with (or include) "Because I am a system administrator" , or , "Being a system administrator" and I feel that you are losing site of the point that the LH is trying to make.

Most people are _not_ system administrators. They do not care about software freedom, they do not (ever) want to see a command line and they (really) want their programs to just work.

In order for that to happen, they need to install their operating system. Windows makes this easy, Ubuntu is getting there. Don't make the mistake of seeing a desktop machine as a server that happens to be running a window manager, many make that mistake and that's why Microsoft remains king of the desktop world.

As someone who writes software (yes, free software) I appreciate what the LH has to say. Why? Its not just him saying it, its a rather colorful summary of what _many_ people have to say.

]]>By: gushttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106190
Fri, 08 Aug 2008 05:59:31 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106190At least he doesn't censor his crowd.
]]>By: machpizzahttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106174
Fri, 08 Aug 2008 03:30:39 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106174I always wince when I find a loud-mouthed open source advocate such as the OP who is so filled with stereotypical preconceptions and regurgitated propaganda. The amount of hypocrisy in Aaron's post is embarrassing to those who are actually interested in the future of F/OSS.

To Aaron: Please practice what you preach and learn how to use Google's search engine.

No firewall software?! Are you using a RTM or SP1 disc? XP has come with its own firewall since Service Pack 2, in bloody 2004!

"updates will be continuous throughout my use of XP"
But you were just bragging about your distro's update system...

]]>By: Rui Miguel Silva Seabrahttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106166
Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:16:24 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106166While an apologist will say we should look at LinuxHater as a Bug Report with a vengeance, I say the following:

Some of his descriptions and suggestions point to a highly knowledgeable person on a variety of subjects.

Now... is he just so stubbornly selfish that he does not want to put his knowledge to a good and productive use, or is "he" just a front for a highly organized mob of payed trolls?

Seriously, if it takes this long to explain how you make Ubuntu useful something might not be quite ok here, like perhaps some usability issues?

Also you don't seem to be very knowledgeable in what windows can do. You can script the hell out of it (and not only c#, you can use ruby if you feel so inclinded). You can automate the install with MS provided tools, you can slipstream things in the windows installer so you don't have to work so hard to make it usable after that.

If you make an analysis make it fare and talk about what you know. And document yourself about what you don't. Don't spread FUD. Every time you spread FUD you kill a kittie.

I use linux, I wrote kernel drivers and user apps for linux, so there is no doubt about me being a MS fanboy. And neither is linuxhater. He didn't say anywhere that he supports windows and apple. You made that up and obviously don't understand enough about linux to understand his more technical posts.

PS. Get yourself informed. Read Stevey Yegge's blog (just to give an example). He shows how to write windows scripts in Ruby, or how to setup your favourite linux environment in windows with cygwin and emacs.

PS2. When you work remotely a lot the choice of the OS you use personally stops being a show-off of leetness and starts being a problem of taste. When you use emacs in windows like Stevey above does OS selection is like Coke vs Pepsi.

]]>By: sighhttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106157
Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:43:39 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106157Boy, anytime someone makes a cogent argument in favor of Linux all the trolls come out to feed. When one person makes a sensible argument and everyone else resorts to name calling and Linux sux comments it's clear they are threatened. They must know deep down that Linux is more than a passing fad. They must know that windows and osx while convenient operating systems have serious flaws. They must know that that Linux model of freedom will slowly chisel away at the proprietary world. Freedom is a scary thing and many people react negatively in support of fascism even when freedom is probably better for them.

Is Linux perfect? No. But neither is windows or osx. Is one better than the other? Yes - but that depends on your needs. Saying Linux sux and pointing to what doesn't work only proves that it doesn't fit your needs or that you simply lack the patience to change or the ability. Linux is perfect for me because I can do everything I want to and it doesn't cost me a dime. I flat out hate the windows and osx models. I can't stand dealing with all the issues involved with running windows (like dealing with AV and all other malware issues and surfing the web to find a app every time I have something I want to do, and on and on), and I hate the osx model of the apple way or the highway. Others love that and more power to them. For me, however, they both suck, period.

Use what you want. Live and let live.

]]>By: Arcterexhttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106156
Thu, 07 Aug 2008 18:00:20 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106156Just a note.... windows provides it's mmc (computer management) infrastructure which allows you to connect and do pretty much anything on the system to remote systems. Just run mmc.exe and select action -> connect to another computer, and type in the ip or hostname, login details, and suddenly you can do pretty much anything. I believe that the mmc system can have plugins as well so this can all be extended.

Speaking as someone who manages linux boxes for a living, this *rocks* compared to having to ssh in and do things for a lot of cases. I only discovered this functionality a few months ago, when I had to deal with a server room full of windows machines.

The folly of linux people is often bashing windows/mac/etc about problems that they have without knowing there are solutions already there. Like that windows has an update server type system where you can locally download patches from MS and then push them out to any number of windows boxes. Much easier than sshing into each ubuntu system and running apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade. I think RHEL provides something like this as well.

I'm all for linux and feeding trolls (and I love linux hater's blog), but people need to educate themselves about the systems they are bashing or criticizing (and I'm not talking about Aaron here, but more linux people in general) or else they come of just sounding like stupid little kids talking crap and really bring down the linux "community" on a whole.

]]>By: MrBurnshttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106155
Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:58:07 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106155let's take a look at each of your arguements

First, let’s look at the installer itself: As many others pointed out, you are completely off base. The unattended install has been around since the NT days. Any IT guy worth his salt (in the scenario you described) would be using this procedure.

Second, let’s compare security on the operating systems: Linux definitely has the overwhelming edge here. However you are mistaken about a few items. 1) The firewall is enabled by default on XPSP2 and later. 2) I don't care whose OS you are running the software updater needs to be run. 3) Any IT guy worth his salt would not set the users up with admin rights. Again with unattended install, the local admin account can altered.

Now on to productivity software: Now this is completely STUPID. For years, everyone bitched at MS for including applications with the OS as a way of stifling competition and now you hold that against the OS! Linux users and FOSS has been holding this against MS from the start. This argument is screams hypocrite. If MS had everything on it that you stated, the FOSS community(as well as commercial equivalents) would be in a frenzy.

BTW - I use Windows, Linux, and OS X at work. Each has its uses. At home, I dual boot Windows and Fedora and trying to get OS X to work 🙂

]]>By: qensehttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106137
Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:41:41 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106137Aaargh! I can't stand that blog! Although it's probably satire, I just can't stand unfounded arguments. The stupidity of the commenters! Anyway, this is a good blog post, and actually I think you've beaten him.
A weird habit the defenders of Windows(fake or real) have is that every time you use a third-party application at Linux they say "Windows does that out of the box! Losers!", but when there is a functionality Linux has got out-of-the-box, whereas Windows needs a third-party application, they consider that as a valid argument.
]]>By: lemonheadhttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106136
Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:40:16 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106136really you should try harder LH got you squashed in like 10 minutes.
disccl: i love and use linux but my secretary IS NOT ready for it. it'd be better if you admit linux is not ready for the secretary desktop and try to figure it out than trying to defend it. we know what linux is good for and where its bad.,...
]]>By: killerwhalehttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106134
Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:35:32 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106134EDITED BY ADMIN FOR VULGARITY

Wow ... just ... wow. You have no [censored] clue about administering Windows. I'd fire you in a heartbeat if you were a "system administrator" at my company.

]]>By: William Kiddhttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106133
Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:32:14 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106133It's a shame nobody cares about default installs. Users are way more concerned about what they can achieve with the system, and in that point, Windows wipes the floor with Ubuntu or any desktop Linux for that matter.

You see, the thing is Windows is exactly what an OS should be: a platform for others to build upon and to release their software for. Ubuntu includes all that software by default because there's no such thing as a platform in Linuxland. It's way, way more a sign of a serious and vital shortcoming than any advantage. It's a pity Linux enthusiasts are not able to recognize this fact after all these years.

Have you heard of Remote Installation Service or Unattended Setup ? ... just put an windows XP CD and see the SUPPORT\TOOLS folder before you open your mouth. If you install all your machines with XP then you can sure go out with your girl every evening instead wasting time writing this [censored]. This post surely proves you are [censored].

YOU COMPARE AN 8 YEAR OLD OPERATING SYSTEM WITH AN 8 WEEK OLD OPERATING SYSTEM.

Ridiculous, zealouts like you do more harm to linux than anyone. If you weren't so determined to let YOUR fanboyism get in the way of the a sensible argument you may have had some credibility.

So the article you should have written would be Vista SP1 versus the 'buntu .... but then every single point on your list would have been in windows favour ... doh!

]]>By: Jeanhttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106126
Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:37:54 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106126The problem with LH's blog isn't the blog itself. While the guy is a bit inflammatory, he does point out the problems in Linux. However, some of the commentors are obvious trolls, I usually ignore them.

Personally, I use Linux a lot, I like the OS, but you must admit, it does have serious problems blocking it from the Desktop. Some are not entirely of its own design - drivers not released by manufacturers, but others are.

It's good if Linux users stop looking at Linux if it was the OS to end all OSes, take a look at the other OSes, see what they do well (instead of denigrating them for using different licenses or for just being what they are), and try to beat them. Not copy them. Beat them. Impossible? Hardly. And try to standardise a little. That's another major problem. Stop re-inventing the wheel, do some compromises and join efforts. Zealotry must stop, now.

Lets fix some misconceptions:
Linux is for not for smart people. It's for people who want to mess around with their system.
2. Linux is an epic failure. You keep comparing it to a 7 years old OS, and still fail. absolutely amazing.. almost a decade has passed, and Linux is yet to catch up on the basics. It's a waste of time. Move along.

Aaron, were I your employer, I'd fire you in an instant over this blog post. You're simply not qualified to do your job.

[censored]

]]>By: Foyerhttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106116
Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:44:26 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106116You just absolutely have no idea. All you do is spreading lies and ignorance, which has been proven a zillion times in the comments by now.
]]>By: CuteBoyhttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106115
Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:26:20 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106115Of course XP is trash, we all know that; it's been garbage for 7 years now. Why not compare the most recent OS of each; Vista is far superior to any Linux distro and the garbage associate with it.
]]>By: Shakhttps://pthree.org/2008/08/05/linux-must-be-laughable/#comment-106114
Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:04:33 +0000http://pthree.org/?p=647#comment-106114As a Windows user trying his best to move away (I've been using Ubuntu VMWare installs everyday for the past 3 months) I have to say it's good to read something like Linux-hater. Whether intentionally or not whenever I try to improve my Linux skills via the community or self-help I end up feeling frustrated and stupid over things I feel to be obvious flaws and counter intuitive but are passed over by the experts (from my point of view only because they're used to the system rather than it being the best way of doing things). As such my impression is that Linux is only for clever people.

Unfortunately the fact is that when reading blogs I relate more to LH than I do ones like yours. In fact I couldn't get past the second paragraph before getting lost and missing the point you were trying to make. Ironically it's this lack of accessibility which is the whole problem with Linux, and LH both notes this and tackles it practically - although I may not agree with him on everything I do understand it because he writes for people who aren't superusers.

Perhaps LH is unfair and biased, but in a world where Linux is often made to look like a sliver bullet it's nice to be understood by someone who clearly knows what I'm going through.

Perhaps one day when I'm of the Linux elite I can scoff at him. Till then he's in my subs list.