What more proof do we need that Nole is doping!

After 3 exhausting and grueling matches, especially the one against Ryan Harrison, he is able to outlast Stan the man, widely known as the fittest guy in the history of the sport. And not just outlast him but beat him in a fairly one sided final set.

If this is not incontrovertible evidence that he is doping, then I don't know what is.

After 3 exhausting and grueling matches, especially the one against Ryan Harrison, he is able to outlast Stan the man, widely known as the fittest guy in the history of the sport. And not just outlast him but beat him in a fairly one sided final set.

If this is not incontrovertible evidence that he is doping, then I don't know what is.

They do not blood test nearly enough. I mean, the guy with the biggest sudden increase in stamina I have ever seen just said that he has not been blood tested in 7 months. The players who complain about the testing being too strict are just plain liars.

It has never been explained why Roger Federer repeatedly skipped the ATP event held in Moscow. I believe we have an answer now.

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The explanation generally accepted by the public is that he did not want to get humiliated by Safin. However, the visa denials issued to Federer over the years cite sanctions from RNAA (the Russian National Anti-doping Agency), as well as reports from hotels that refused accommodations due to personal character and manner of behaviour.

After 3 exhausting and grueling matches, especially the one against Ryan Harrison, he is able to outlast Stan the man, widely known as the fittest guy in the history of the sport. And not just outlast him but beat him in a fairly one sided final set.

If this is not incontrovertible evidence that he is doping, then I don't know what is.

All topplayers are suspicious imo, but some more than others. I would be least surprised if Djoko was caught and after him Federer. For some reason I don't believe Nadal really is doping, but that's probably naive...

They do not blood test nearly enough. I mean, the guy with the biggest sudden increase in stamina I have ever seen just said that he has not been blood tested in 7 months. The players who complain about the testing being too strict are just plain liars.

A few weeks ago on a radio show I heard a recently retired to 20 player, what he said was that probably a lot of players are doping but only the ones 100 and above in the ranking, he said that when you cross the 100 rank you get tested often and that if you start winning tournaments he saw it impossible to dope and play, he also said that he didn't think that there were silent bans. He was very open talking about it and it didn't seem that he was lying. He also said something like it didn't matter how much you doped, that you could be the incredible hulk but if you don't have the shots, the technic and you don't train a lot there is no way you can be a to 10.

After 3 exhausting and grueling matches, especially the one against Ryan Harrison, he is able to outlast Stan the man, widely known as the fittest guy in the history of the sport. And not just outlast him but beat him in a fairly one sided final set.

If this is not incontrovertible evidence that he is doping, then I don't know what is.

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I knew Novak was doping ever since his 5 set win over Stepanek in 2007 USO, according to the ladies Radek's stamina is legendary yet Novak outlasted him no problem.

Another red herring thread to divert attention from the 17-slam doping cheater.

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My, my... this I expected not from you SoBad. For one quite witty and eloquent, although with a deep rooted dislike (almost hatred?) of Federer, it suits you not to lessen his 14 sl-, sorry, 17 slams with such accusations

After all, whatever you type here to antagonize Federer fans, you know perfectly well that out of your hero and Federer, the most suspect regarding doping would be the former. At least in general opinion. We could then discuss it with facts over the last several years.

No matter how much you'd love for Roger to be more suspect (oh, and hated), you can fool everyone else in whichever manner you prefer, but in life you cannot fool yourself.

A few weeks ago on a radio show I heard a recently retired to 20 player, what he said was that probably a lot of players are doping but only the ones 100 and above in the ranking, he said that when you cross the 100 rank you get tested often and that if you start winning tournaments he saw it impossible to dope and play, he also said that he didn't think that there were silent bans. He was very open talking about it and it didn't seem that he was lying. He also said something like it didn't matter how much you doped, that you could be the incredible hulk but if you don't have the shots, the technic and you don't train a lot there is no way you can be a to 10.

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That's what I like about tennis. Doping or not, you got to have the skills. It's not all about strength or endurance. There is no substitute for talent.

unfortunately, it's not anymore .. it's become a matter of strength and endurance with all those pushers out there ..

no matter how much talent u r full of, u won't stand a chance against a pusher if u yourself lack the ability of pushing .

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Total BS. Djokovic is not a pusher at all btw. Only on TT, the definition of pusher is: "a guy who doesn't win every point with his serve". Djoko has superlative defensive AND offensive skills. And only on TT, Fed's limitations in terms of defensive skills become the utmost quality for a tennis player to the point where players who DO have superlative defensive skills should be somehow banned to exercise them. Right. This is such an outrageous point of view for any tennis fan that it gets really hard to take the Fed worshippers seriously as genuine fans of the sport itself. (You've been federized, all right, time to find an antidote to the brainwashing...)

Please answer honestly: you really dont find federer's tennis more fun and incredible to watch than djoker's?
The way he builds his offense also which djoker has no idea about btw is also something special dont you think?

Total BS. Djokovic is not a pusher at all btw. Only on TT, the definition of pusher is: "a guy who doesn't win every point with his serve". Djoko has superlative defensive AND offensive skills. And only on TT, Fed's limitations in terms of defensive skills become the utmost quality for a tennis player to the point where players who DO have superlative defensive skills should be somehow banned to exercise them. Right. This is such an outrageous point of view for any tennis fan that it gets really hard to take the Fed worshippers seriously as genuine fans of the sport itself. (You've been federized, all right, time to find an antidote to the brainwashing...)

The explanation generally accepted by the public is that he did not want to get humiliated by Safin. However, the visa denials issued to Federer over the years cite sanctions from RNAA (the Russian National Anti-doping Agency), as well as reports from hotels that refused accommodations due to personal character and manner of behaviour.

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And Nadal has never been to Moscow because there are no good gambas restaurants, no?

Outside of actual incriminating doping evidence, that's the key question, and no one has addressed this systematically. I have no clue as to the answer - I assume this is the domain of physiotherapists and such.

As long as we can't even answer this question in a scientific way, it seems silly to toss around doping allegations. I wouldn't be too surprised if tennis was as dirty as 90's/2000's era baseball, but assuming the worst is just as dumb as assuming the best.

Djokovic went from being the guy on tour with the worst stamina and endurance to being the guy with the best stamina and endurance seemingly overnight. That just doesn't happen without a little "help".

Djokovic went from being the guy on tour with the worst stamina and endurance to being the guy with the best stamina and endurance seemingly overnight. That just doesn't happen without a little "help".

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The guy just made huge efforts in the gym and changed his diet.
Lots of guys I know in the gym and some guys I run semi-marathon with and who lost 15 Kgs in less than a year (lots of training and lots of nutrition change) quickly gained in stamina and endurance. They are not doping, just taking some whey and they used to take bcaa complexes during their first months of diet.
And those guys are not professionals.
I just imagine Djoker made the same or even more siginificant efforts, at the pro level, and it works for him.

A few weeks ago on a radio show I heard a recently retired to 20 player, what he said was that probably a lot of players are doping but only the ones 100 and above in the ranking, he said that when you cross the 100 rank you get tested often and that if you start winning tournaments he saw it impossible to dope and play, he also said that he didn't think that there were silent bans. He was very open talking about it and it didn't seem that he was lying. He also said something like it didn't matter how much you doped, that you could be the incredible hulk but if you don't have the shots, the technic and you don't train a lot there is no way you can be a to 10.

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It's obvious you cannot win simply with doping, you need to have technique. But if you take 2 players with equal skill and one of them dopes... he can run faster, and doesn't get tired after 3 hours, while another one is clean - who do you think will win?

Look at Lance. He was tested more frequently that tennis players and he was never caught. If you have money to buy designer drugs and hire good doctors then you're not likely to get caught.

The guy just made huge efforts in the gym and changed his diet.
Lots of guys I know in the gym and some guys I run semi-marathon with and who lost 15 Kgs in less than a year (lots of training and lots of nutrition change) quickly gained in stamina and endurance. They are not doping, just taking some whey and they used to take bcaa complexes during their first months of diet.
And those guys are not professionals.
I just imagine Djoker made the same or even more siginificant efforts, at the pro level, and it works for him.

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And you don't think he trained hard before 2011?
It's funny how these players try to explain their miraculous results. Like Nadal's grip change that added 10 MPH to his serve. Did he just discover a new service grip after 10 years on tour?

OK when he's on ******** mode you're right
but didnt you enjoy the way he played vs Tomic and vs Raonic?

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The second set vs Tomic was very enjoyable. But I still prefer watching Nadal and Djoko: more energy, better return game. With Fed, it's all about the serve or attacking quickly. Nothing wrong with that but he lacks patience and consistency in longer points.