MSF Doctor: At Least Half Of Insurgents Are Foreigners And Jihadis

Those who still downplay the role of the foreign Salafist/Jihadist insurgents in Syria should notice the reliable western witness who has experience on the ground is talking to a well known news agency:

Jacques Beres, co-founder of medical charity Medecins Sans Frontieres, returned from Syria on Friday evening after spending two weeks working clandestinely in a hospital in the besieged northern Syrian city.

In an interview with Reuters in his central Paris apartment on Saturday, the 71-year-old said that contrary to his previous visits to Homs and Idlib earlier this year about 60 percent of those he had treated this time had been rebel fighters and that at least half of them had been non-Syrian.

"It's really something strange to see. They are directly saying that they aren't interested in Bashar al-Assad's fall, but are thinking about how to take power afterwards and set up an Islamic state with sharia law to become part of the world Emirate," the doctor said.

While many of these foreigners are paid with Saudi money they have also developed criminal ways to get money:

An epidemic of kidnappings has broken out in Syria, with rebels using ransoms to fund their military operations and common criminals taking the opportunity to cash in....A student at Aleppo University who gave his name as Mohammed said that the same FSA group that was hunting down the gangs of kidnappers was also running its own operations to raise "funds for the revolution."

This unit, known as the Abu Bakr al-Siddiq brigade, kidnapped the "son of my uncle's business partner," said Mohammed, who claimed the group demanded almost $74,000 for his release.

A former Catholic clergyman said that he fled Aleppo when fighting reached his home and a number of acquaintances were kidnapped.

It appears that after 18 months of conflict and bloodshed that led to
over 20,000 casualties, the United States and its allies in the
international community were only able to learn how to better pretend they are a constructive force. In reality, they still are working exclusively on different tactics that would allow them to defeat a number major segments of the population of Syria in favor of anyone who will help the United States and its allies install a more compliant leadership in Damascus.

People are dying in Syria because there is very little learning taking place.

I am certain that the strategy is being designed by someone in the west.

The attacks upon the airfields stink of a western strategy. The jihadis, if left alone, will put bombs in front of mosques, when the faithful are coming out.

Equally, continuing to fight in Aleppo, when they've obviously lost, smells of someone who doesn't care about the people. Any normal general would say, OK, we've lost. In order to give the people a chance, we'll pull out. But no, they continue. The people of Aleppo continue to be tortured, just to please a losing side.

By the way it might be interesting to say something about the killing of the British Iraqi family at Annecy. It looks like a political assassination. According to reports, a D-notice has been imposed on British media, preventing British media from talking about the connections of the male victim with the intelligence services.

The "officer" says the killed cyclist had just passed him, meaning he must have arrived at the scene only some seconds later.
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From Wikipedia:A DA-Notice or Defence Advisory Notice (called a Defence Notice or D-Notice until 1993) is an official request to news editors not to publish or broadcast items on specified subjects for reasons of national security. The system is still in use in the United Kingdom.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DA-Notice

The rebels don't really care about winning..It appears their task now is to destroy neighborhoods and cities as much as possible.They deliberately hide in civilian areas and take pot shots at the Syrian army, knowing very well the army will rain hell on their hideouts.

It seems the strategy here is to bleed Syria economically..In terms of human cost, most of the rebels are dead. You see, these guys have a very short lifespan..Syria has become a meat grinder for them jihadis.

Easy to find out, check all the private flights manifest say 2-3 hours after the murder and you will find the murderer and what nationality he is and where the destination he was going.

I don't think that's how hitmen operate..If anything, they lay low for a couple of days before they bail out. And they certainly won't be flying from the country they perpetrated the crime.There're sure other means of travel other than ones that involve passports and travel documents that can be traced.They know the authorities will be on the case looking of possible suspects within the next 2 -3 hours as you've mentioned. But who knows?

Whatever it is, it looks like a professional hit..The place of the hit is also very significant.A village in the forest with NO CCTV etc. etc.

From Wikipedia:
A DA-Notice or Defence Advisory Notice (called a Defence Notice or D-Notice until 1993) is an official request to news editors not to publish or broadcast items on specified subjects for reasons of national security. The system is still in use in the United Kingdom.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DA-Notice

About the French Killings. yeah, soon as I read the "ex-raf-dude-on-bike" line I went "hello . . . he ain't there by accident". Then both the French AND UK prime monsters came out saying they'd get to the bottom of it - that sealed it for me. Extra judicial killing here for sure. And now the D notice. Take a look what the bloke has worked on -

. . . .Mr Al-Hilli earned up to £28 ( wot ??!! Thats chicken feed aint it) an hour as a freelance engineer and his CV reveals he worked on projects including designing a 'plasma generator' for a company called Surrey NanoSystems Ltd. Before that he helped design a satellite for Surrey Satellite Technology, based in Guildford, and ten years ago he worked for another company engineering parts for the 'aircraft, military and medical industries'. It is understood that Mr Al-Hilli has been known to British intelligence officials for around 20 years . . . . quote from Daily Mirror.

Looks like Presstv's got a little scoop on the murdered guy..Apparently he was a nuclear scientist working on a top secret project for the UK government..

Now speaking about nuclear scientists and 'whackings', I wonder who could be behind it..?????

The thing is, countries that indulge in the ugly acts of 'whackings' and sabotage inevitably expose themselves to same tactics from their opponents..Now I'm not saying which country could be behind it but y'all see where this is heading?

if this was a Mossad hit they are really scraping the bottom of the barrel. I guess good hitmen are hard to find since a bunch of them got their pictures taken at the Dubai airport during the assasination of Mahmoud al-Mabhouh keeping them from traveling freely and those guys weren't all that James Bond like anyway.

really messy, cartridges left at the scene, one child untouched, the other beaten nearly to death which some speculate is because the shooter ran out of bullets.

the scenario originally advanced by the daily mail of the family happening upon something serious going down (wrong place, wrong time) is a pretty good one imo. of course there could always be something extra sinister but ya gotta ask, why so messy and so public? he could have had a heart attack or fallen off the balcony like so many brits do on vacation.

I've also been following the Al-Hilli family shooting in France, has got alot of coverage in British and Irish papers. It stinks to high heaven. Just to give a summary for anyone who hasn't been watching it:

News broke of a British family murdered in France in an apparent shooting. Saad Al-Hilli, a British man of Iraqi descent was found in his BMW along with his wife Ikbal, daughters Zainab and Zeena and his mother-in-law. The two daughters aged 7 and 4 survived, one in critical, the other badly injured. Apparently there car was ambushed in a remote area, by a motorcycle and a 4 wheel drive. It seems like it was professional.

Witnesses reported hearing just 30 seconds of gunfire and police on the scene found 15 spent bullet casings, with no stray bullets.

Saad was killed with one bullet to the forehead before being shot a second time in the head as were his wife and mother in law. A French cyclist rode onto the scene and was shot 5 times. A British cyclist arrived a short time later and discovered the bodies.

Then it was revealed the Saad Al Hilli had been spied on by British MI6 in 2003:

Officers thought to be from Special Branch maintained constant surveillance on the aeronautical engineer and his family, regularly following Mr Al-Hilli – who fled Iraq as a boy – and his brother whenever they drove off. Last night Philip Murphy, a neighbour in the wealthy village of Claygate, Surrey, recalled how police asked if they could use his driveway to spy on the massacre victims' mock-Tudor house. 'I thought they were from Special Branch. They would sit there all day in their parked car just looking at the house.' The surveillance happened as the invasion of Iraq by US and British forces began in March 2003.

Saad who fled Iraq as a teenager, after his parents fell out with the Baath government worked for the defence industry through the Surrey Satellites Technology Limited (spy satellites) and worked closely on a project for the European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company, they make the Eurofighter jet and the Airbus commercial plane. In the 1980's he worked in the Rutherford Lab working on a particle accelerator to make nuclear material.

The British cyclist who found the bodies in France is an officer in the Royal Air Force. The French cyclist who came upon the scene and was killed was an employee of Crezus with supplies equipment to nuclear power plants.

My random speculation on all this leans towards Mossad taking out an Iranian back channel for its nuclear program.

1) Motorbike and 4 wheel drive is a similar MO to the assassinated Iranian scientists, who were mainly killed by motorbikes driving up besides cars and planting a magnetic bomb. The 4 wheel drive was likely there to block the road and get Saad's BMW to stop.

2) Saad Al Hilli, was from a prominant Shia family in southern Iraq. Could have been an Iran connection through that. Family was certainly Anti-Baathist.

3) I don't think MI6 were informed. Despite some claims I haven't heard any reporting on a D-Notice being issued and all newspapers are covering this. The Royal Air Force Officer on the scene is a mess for them. If he was involved, he wouldn't have called the police and remained at the scene. He could have just been spying on Hilli's movements. MI6 agents are usually given titles in the Royal Navy or Aiforce depending on what branch of the military they were recruited from. But if MI6 were involved a D-Notice would have been out the day of the shooting not this leaking of embarrassing information day by day.

however, it would be bad style for any secret service to wipe out a whole family when going after one guy and as dan of steele says there would be preferred less messy methods for secret service professional killers if the intention was not to make it very obvious.

It is very unusual for two heads of state to swear to find the killers also ...

if this was a Mossad hit they are really scraping the bottom of the barrel. I guess good hitmen are hard to find since a bunch of them got their pictures taken at the Dubai airport ...
Posted by: dan of steele | Sep 9, 2012 8:55:08 AM | 19

You will notice this criminal incident didnt affect israels reputation...we still have the Harper regime of canada expellnig the irania ambasador, not israels! US still takes its marching orders from zionist israel, australias regime still wont acknowledge zionist criems in palestine like aerial bombardment of Gaza...no call for a no fly zone there... In capitalist societies we see the Golden Rule: he who has the gold makes the rules.

The Adlène Hicheur case sounds interesting, although much more likely he was slipping secrets to Algeria than anything to do with terrorism, & the French simply wanting to avoid the subject of what he was working on...
Terrorism really is your generic charge for something western authorities don't wish to discuss these days.

This current mess sounds more to do with the structure of middle-east exile groups, with the hit/massacre done as an example.
Enormous amounts of money float through these things, they are generally heavily involved in back-channel intelligence & "NGO's", and tend to have a cult-like structure.

An example of this extremity (killing of the whole family) is generally only done to those who are considered to have betrayed their cause, & as an example to others in the group (or linked groupings) and is pretty rare, especially having the killings take place out in the open in a major western country.
However, considering how out-of-control the whole intelligence/NGO/exile group situation is in the west these days, this could of been done for something which would be considered minor in the "old" days, ie. just not following the party line; refusing to participate in some action, etc.

Is this the new norm? Are we going to see more of what was generally carried out in the middle-east/africa (ie. over there) coming back to western countries.
Looking at the whole "intelligence/NGO/exile group/think tank" situation these days, & the sheer amount of impunity these self-proclaimed elites enjoy, it seems very likely.

*Jacques Beres, co-founder of medical charity Medecins Sans Frontieres, returned from Syria on Friday evening after spending two weeks working clandestinely in a hospital in the besieged northern Syrian city*

so the *doctors without borders* is treating nato backed jihadists in syria
while in the nato backed jihadists attack on ez yugo, it expelled the greek branch for
the *crime* of treating the serb victims of nato
*The 1999 winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, France's Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) or Doctors without Borders, (DWB)recently expelled the Greek arm of DWB because the Greeks showed compassion by treating those injured in Yugoslavia during NATO's bombing campaign, just as they showed compassion when Greece was the first country to go to Turkey's aid following the tragic earthquake. However, administering to a dying Serbian child is in violation of the inhumane US-led sanctions which prevent any medical assistance to the Serbian people*
The 1999 winner of the Nobel Peace Prize, France's Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) or Doctors without Borders, (DWB)recently expelled the Greek arm of DWB because the Greeks showed compassion by treating those injured in Yugoslavia during NATO's bombing campaign, just as they showed compassion when Greece was the first country to go to Turkey's aid following the tragic earthquake. However, administering to a dying Serbian child is in violation of the inhumane US-led sanctions which prevent any medical assistance to the Serbian people*http://tinyurl.com/3bg49b6

Didn't realise you mob were commentin on the al-Hillali killings in this thread. I watched its different slants of obfuscation on the englander TV newsfeeds last (sunday) night. ITV news had a lot about him being a satellite engineer and accused the Iranians of hiring organised crime to top them, but the way it was done (double tap to the back of the head -kill the kids) reeks of the genocidal zionists who never met an arab they didn't want to murder. ITV also ranted something about missing secret papers.
BBC was big on 'Brit police investigating Iraqi deaths' pretending it was a bog standard domestic murder while showing lots of englander policemen hangin round the family home clutching smg's. Yeah right - the 'too and from' coppers always carry automatic weaponry when carrying out routine murder inquiries.

It's gotta be a fukusi killing just from the way they are pointing the finger everywhere else and the family are all being called foreigners despite the fact the kids were born in england. If they were 'heroes' i.e. killed cos dad was working for fukusi, the englanders would have claimed them all as englanders, not 'brits' like the scotsman tennis player, but englander like the south africans who play cricket n rugby fer england.

The BBC have got no shame last night they claimed al-Hilli was an Iraqi who was brought to england in 2004, when in fact he was a british citizen who came to england in the 70's while still a kid.
By making the victims out to be foreigners, the english media will quash most concerns about them not receiving 'justice'.

Foreign Policy magazine cheers al Qaeda while NPR praises “brave” American doctors who save the terrorist’s lives.
The world turned upside down or is it now finally right side up?
This shouldn’t be a surprise to any reader at this site, the fact that some 30 or so American doctors have flown over to Turkey to work on the border patching up al Qaeda and other Islamist terrorists injured during their destabilization campaign in Syria. It’s admitted that these mercs are some of the same ones who attacked, killed and maimed US service men and women in Iraq and Afghanistan and yet, there are our doctors, privileged select members of the community, patching them up and fixing their wounds on foreign soil as they terrorize and murder innocent people across the border in Syria.
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I am still stuck on this not finding the little girl for 8 hours, not opening the car doors, the girl hiding "under the skirt" of her mother ...

1) she is a 4 year old - that is quite big.
2) for being able to hide under the skirt of her mother, her mother would need a very traditional Islamic dress indeed. Is that likely for a dentist planning to go back to work?
3) not opening the car doors for not compromising the crime scene sounds weird - were people in the car shot through the car windows?
4)The whole scene as described, car doors locked, one girl outside, everybody else on their seats, one empty child seat, too small for a seven year old, sounds strange.

"Police had believed only one child was involved with the scene because only one child seat was found in the car.

The investigators said there were several reasons why the youngest girl was not found earlier, including that police were told not to disturb the scene before the arrival of forensic investigators; and they did not want to compromise the ballistics investigation by opening the car doors because some of the windows had cracks made by the bullets.

Earlier reports said a helicopter with thermal imaging was also used, but did not detect the girl, who may have been concealed under the bodies.

Officials at the scene also tried to look through the car windows, but could not detect any movement."

Did they believe the car was booby trapped. Is that why they are looking for explosives now? Why did that Ex-RAF officer not open the car doors, were they locked from inside? He helped the girl outside of the car ...

"somebody" - Sounds like the police investigators could of been told what to expect before they set up at the scene, ie. everyone dead, so they just didn't bother making a real search.
That would have to come from somewhere pretty high-up for them not run a real search, as police in this kind of situation generally pull out all stops - massacre's in their own backyard is not good for their reputation, & generally heads roll if there is anything sloppy.

Would not be pointing fingers at the local's, but as a guess on how these things go down, would be looking for anyone who doesn't fit the picture arriving early to oversee things, ie. someone from DGSE, etc. arriving before the bodies have been identified.
They'd likely head to a regional authority first, read them the riot act, tell it was a matter of national security, terrorism etc., everyone is dead, & for them to secure the scene rather than investigate.

RE. not finding her via thermal imaging, if they were seriously looking, & this search sounds like it was done hours after her mother was killed, there should of been a clear difference between the girl & the background - bodies lose 1.5 degrees celcius per hour after death, & the girl should of shown pretty clearly if they were being intensive about the search.

KenM, no 30, it sounds incredible that the Ex-RAF guy helped the older girl outside the car in a professional way, opened the door to the driver's seat to switch the engine off, but did not open the door to the back seats to have a look and if he did it sounds incredible he could have missed a four year old girl at the feet of her mother even if she did not have the seat belt on and even if she slid across the girls body - a Mercedes is a big car but there would not be that much room to slide. It is also incredible that a four year old girl manages to make no sound no matter how frightened she is - especially if she is frightened but maybe the Ex-RAF guy is part deaf I am prepared to believe that.

It is also incredible that if the Ex-RAF guy dialled 999 anybody else but local police and ambulance would arrive if there was no secret service foreknowledge. I think by law in most countries even if someone is proclaimed dead a doctor has to arrive to make sure. No 999 would assume the description was correct and send just the police with no doctor, and no doctor would accept a closed car.

Al Nusra Front for the People of the Levant
- an Islamist paramilitary group formed late in 2011 during the Syrian Uprising. the major Qaeda affiliate operating in Syria. The group claims responsibility for the 2012 Aleppo bombings, the January 2012 al-Midan bombing, the March 2012 Damascus bombings the murder of journalist Mohammed al-Saeed and possibly the 10 May 2012 Damascus bombings.

Abdullah Azzam Brigades
-designated by US as a Foreign Terrorist Organization, a militant organization based in both Lebanon and the Arabian Peninsula, rocket attacks on Israel

Al Baraa ibn Malik Martyrdom Brigades
-Al-Bara bin Malek Brigades is a specialized cell of suicide bombers within Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's al-Qaeda Organization in the Land of the Two Rivers. The Brigades have launched numerous suicide operations against U.S. and Iraqi government targets

also-
Jabhat al-Nusra
- has links to Al Qaeda, though denies being a part of the transnational terrorist group, appears to be gaining in strength and numbers. Unknown until it burst onto the scene in January, claiming responsibility for a handful of spectacular bomb attacks in cities across Syria.

and some Libya influence-
Liwaa Al-Umma
-"Banner of the Nation" from Libya. Commanded by Mahdi al-Harati in Syria, an Irish-Libyan member of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group. He was also the commander of the Qatari-trained Tripoli Brigade in the Libyan civil war. Before the Libyan civil war he was an Arabic teacher in Dublin, where he lived with his Irish-born wife and family. Harati decided to form the group following discussions with supporters of the Syrian opposition during a fact-finding mission to Syria in early 2012. The group does not actively try to recruit Libyans and according to Harati, about 90% of its 6,000+ members are Syrians, with the remaining 10% a mixture of Libyans, Egyptians, Palestinians, Sudanese and other Arabs.

also-
Ahrar al-Sham
-Ahrar al Sham draws its members from followers of a conservative strain of Islam known as Salafism; its followers see themselves as fighting in part for the right to preach their doctrine and the fall of a government that jailed them for doing so.

al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades
The Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, a Palestinian terrorist group, were supposedly dismantled in Palestine in 2003, but they still exist. The leader of the Al-Aqsa Brigades in Syria is Abu Jihad Zidani.

Also there are many fighting groups aligned on some scale with the Free Syrian Army.

@brian
I believe they are not motivated to help Israel but to help themselves, not so different from what Christians have done. Israel, for its part, is actually better off with Assad than with a radical Islamic government.

@brian #35, you always insist on this point; but if you think of it it's quite normal in the context of a certain frame of mind, let's call it "ideological": we had the same dynamics among Christian confessions and among Marxist groups: the guy nearest to you is the "most dangerous" enemy; it's not "stupid", is simply a different view (which I certainly don't endorse, btw!)

for a religious extremist, "saving the Palestinians" is obviously subordinated to the type of society that will follow their liberation from Israel: if a lay, multicultural state should follow, they would feel they have fought in vain

and btw, they aren't fighting for the sake of Israel, they are fighting (mercenaries aside) for establishing Sharia law in Syria - if this makes Israel happy (and I'm not sure it does) it's not their problem

I mean, you talk as if you had decided what their real duty is; they simply have a different agenda, come to terms with it

Just watched an Oz 60 minutes segment on Syria. Same old, same old. Brave beleaguered FSA nonchalantly shooting at nothing The cameraman only points at the shooters and the fake journalist doesn't bother to ask who they are shooting at. Too funny for words if it wasn't so pathetically sad. If they are still promoting the bayoneted babies stories, then they must still think they have a chance to move in for the kill.