I work with so many 20-year-olds in NYC that I want to kill KILL KILL!

/maybe a little more of kill.. KILL KILL KILLL.... seriously how did they ever make it through college.. It amazes me? Half of these kids that are sent to me and I have to hire don't know what a shoelase is no lest the jist of what ad work is like../old guy in the ad bis... kill KILL KILL KILL Wahhhhhhhhhhhhh

AlwaysRightBoy:I work with so many 20-year-olds in NYC that I want to kill KILL KILL!

/maybe a little more of kill.. KILL KILL KILLL.... seriously how did they ever make it through college.. It amazes me? Half of these kids that are sent to me and I have to hire don't know what a shoelase is no lest the jist of what ad work is like../old guy in the ad bis... kill KILL KILL KILL Wahhhhhhhhhhhhh

It seems to me Bill Hicks had some advice that would completely solve your anxiety issues.

Lenny_da_Hog:AlwaysRightBoy: I work with so many 20-year-olds in NYC that I want to kill KILL KILL!

/maybe a little more of kill.. KILL KILL KILLL.... seriously how did they ever make it through college.. It amazes me? Half of these kids that are sent to me and I have to hire don't know what a shoelase is no lest the jist of what ad work is like../old guy in the ad bis... kill KILL KILL KILL Wahhhhhhhhhhhhh

It seems to me Bill Hicks had some advice that would completely solve your anxiety issues.

Is there any hope for the future of anyone not born into wealth, or lucky enough to pull off a multi million dollar company? Is the average person always just going to be miserable until the day they die?

Sometimes I think it would be more humane to relax restrictions on assisted suicide, but I quickly realize that won't solve anything any more than any other action we take. Miserable from cradle to grave seems to be the default for a grand majority of people.

You have to have your priorities, and decide what you can live without, is all. And what you want to have.

My sister has five kids, a full-time job, a dog, and a mostly worthless husband (he works, and that's about it). The kids all have various sports activities, homework, piles of clothes, and demands on her attention. She tried for a while; but now she takes time to sleep, eat, and read by not cleaning the house every day, or cooking dinner every night. The kids get take-out or pizza or chicken nuggets for dinner.

If people don't like it (it drives my mom crazy), well, too bad. She's busy and wants to have fun with her kids now and to live to see all her grandkids someday, so something has to give, and since my BIL won't do his share of the chores, it's live in a messy house and don't cook for five finicky kids all the time. And she's a lot less stressed than many of these women with fewer kids who are trying to live the perfect suburban dream.

A lot of the "quality of life" complaints derive from the hell that men put up with at home from their wives who complain about the men being at work all the time and never helping at home. It's as if they don't understand the concept of division of labor.

I work hard to support the family, my job is to continue increasing my pay so as to make my family comfortable. Your job as a stay-at-home wife is to take care of the daily routine of the house. Washing the dishes, dear, is your job, no matter how much you think I should do it because you're "tired" and have been "busy all day".

Housework is tough. No one said it wasn't. But so is earning a living. Everyone has a job to do. Quitcherbiatchin.

I agree. It has something to do with the "get up at 6am, drive to work at 8am to get there by nine, work 'til 5 or 6pm, then get home at 6:30-8:30pm, then try to LIVE a little bit before you realize you gotta go to bed soon because you need to repeat what you just did" philosophy. No family for me, thanks.

The assembly line at the Ford plant in the very early days was so fast, workers would become psychotic and attack each other. Henry Ford slowed the line and the violence quickly subsided.

IMHO, all the gains of TR's Progressive Republicans and the various unions over the years have essentially been eliminated. Now we're seeing the elimination of basic civil rights with the number of insane SCOTUS rulings, shiat like that AZ law and the Hobby Lobby nonsense.

Give it another decade and we'll envy the Chinese for their civil and worker's rights!

Pichu0102:Is there any hope for the future of anyone not born into wealth, or lucky enough to pull off a multi million dollar company? Is the average person always just going to be miserable until the day they die?

Sometimes I think it would be more humane to relax restrictions on assisted suicide, but I quickly realize that won't solve anything any more than any other action we take. Miserable from cradle to grave seems to be the default for a grand majority of people.

Think of life like a video game.

You can grind all your life and have a relatively simple path. Just keep grinding, money and experience will come in, eventually you'll be living better than you were when you started the game. But you don't have much to your name except what you earned from grinding.

You can alternatively flail wildly, enjoy yourself, and end up with no experience and no money.

The ideal path is to save some of that money, invest it in better tools that will increase your ability to earn money and experience. Yeah, maybe you have to grind a little harder, but as time wears on, you earn more from the better tools and eventually the grinding becomes easier and leveling up becomes faster.

Or you can buy your way into the game, dominate it without spending any time, just money. Very few people start here, and it's a waste of time to concentrate on these guys unless they are directly griefing you.

Ok so if that's normal for an American worker, what's normal for an American Postal Worker?

True story: working at postal sorting facility, we had a co-worker who was super nice and friendly to everybody until one day he didn't come in. We discovered that he'd killed and dismembered his girlfriend (parts of her were never found) and carried the body around with him for a couple days before being discovered.

Farkingwhatever:I agree. It has something to do with the "get up at 6am, drive to work at 8am to get there by nine, work 'til 5 or 6pm, then get home at 6:30-8:30pm, then try to LIVE a little bit before you realize you gotta go to bed soon because you need to repeat what you just did" philosophy. No family for me, thanks.

I got up at 6, left the hotel at 7, worked until 6, then drove until I got to the next hotel at 11:30 so I can do the same thing at another business tomorrow. So at least you go home at night... mine only sees me from Thursday nights til Sunday afternoons, and then I'm usually in my home office getting reports finished and prepping for two weeks out. On the other hand, I love what I do. I'd just like more time to exercise, especially when Taco Bell is basically my kitchen five days a week.

AverageAmericanGuy:Pichu0102: Is there any hope for the future of anyone not born into wealth, or lucky enough to pull off a multi million dollar company? Is the average person always just going to be miserable until the day they die?

Sometimes I think it would be more humane to relax restrictions on assisted suicide, but I quickly realize that won't solve anything any more than any other action we take. Miserable from cradle to grave seems to be the default for a grand majority of people.

Think of life like a video game.

You can grind all your life and have a relatively simple path. Just keep grinding, money and experience will come in, eventually you'll be living better than you were when you started the game. But you don't have much to your name except what you earned from grinding.

You can alternatively flail wildly, enjoy yourself, and end up with no experience and no money.

The ideal path is to save some of that money, invest it in better tools that will increase your ability to earn money and experience. Yeah, maybe you have to grind a little harder, but as time wears on, you earn more from the better tools and eventually the grinding becomes easier and leveling up becomes faster.

Or you can buy your way into the game, dominate it without spending any time, just money. Very few people start here, and it's a waste of time to concentrate on these guys unless they are directly griefing you.

Yeah, you do all that, and then some asshole hacks your account, steals what he wants, sells the rest, and deletes all your toons except for the level one blue haired gnome you rolled for the 20 man raid on Hogger. So you get so depressed you delete the entire game. Game over, man, game over.

I remember one warrant officer I used to work for, whose total technical inability was only equalled by his ability to somehow take credit for every piece of work done by his subordinates. To describe this man as a back-stabber would have been an insult to back-stabbers.When I found out a few years later that he was dying of "cancer" (read AIDS), I felt incredibly guilty. Here the man was dying a slow, miserable death, when I could've given him a quick one.

AverageAmericanGuy:Pichu0102: Is there any hope for the future of anyone not born into wealth, or lucky enough to pull off a multi million dollar company? Is the average person always just going to be miserable until the day they die?

Sometimes I think it would be more humane to relax restrictions on assisted suicide, but I quickly realize that won't solve anything any more than any other action we take. Miserable from cradle to grave seems to be the default for a grand majority of people.

Think of life like a video game.

You can grind all your life and have a relatively simple path. Just keep grinding, money and experience will come in, eventually you'll be living better than you were when you started the game. But you don't have much to your name except what you earned from grinding.

You can alternatively flail wildly, enjoy yourself, and end up with no experience and no money.

The ideal path is to save some of that money, invest it in better tools that will increase your ability to earn money and experience. Yeah, maybe you have to grind a little harder, but as time wears on, you earn more from the better tools and eventually the grinding becomes easier and leveling up becomes faster.

Or you can buy your way into the game, dominate it without spending any time, just money. Very few people start here, and it's a waste of time to concentrate on these guys unless they are directly griefing you.

Even that seems like a useless dream. Slowly try to save up money, and all of a sudden everything now has fees or restrictions that make you end up forfeiting your paycheck, which leads to needing to take an advance to survive on, which puts you in debt that you have to use your next paycheck on, and borrow more money on top of already quickly growing interest...

I just feel it's strange so many people are miserable and in those or similar situations, and don't just give up and wait to die from hunger or something else. I mean, at that point, you have nothing to lose, and no hope that your life will go any direction other than continuing down, so what makes most people who live so miserably keep on functioning? Inertia?

Deacon Blue:Yeah, you do all that, and then some asshole hacks your account, steals what he wants, sells the rest, and deletes all your toons except for the level one blue haired gnome you rolled for the 20 man raid on Hogger. So you get so depressed you delete the entire game. Game over, man, game over.

JMHO, but I think it makes things simpler not to own more toys* than I have time to play with. I wonder about the wisdom of people who buy an RV or boat for $25k-100k that they might use two weeks a year. But it's not just that, people have so much crap that it no longer fits in their homes. They need to rent storage space for all the crap they have but can't throw away or donate. But shop 'til you drop if that's your thing. I have chosen to simplify. YMMV

Pichu0102:AverageAmericanGuy: Pichu0102: Is there any hope for the future of anyone not born into wealth, or lucky enough to pull off a multi million dollar company? Is the average person always just going to be miserable until the day they die?

Sometimes I think it would be more humane to relax restrictions on assisted suicide, but I quickly realize that won't solve anything any more than any other action we take. Miserable from cradle to grave seems to be the default for a grand majority of people.

Think of life like a video game.

You can grind all your life and have a relatively simple path. Just keep grinding, money and experience will come in, eventually you'll be living better than you were when you started the game. But you don't have much to your name except what you earned from grinding.

You can alternatively flail wildly, enjoy yourself, and end up with no experience and no money.

The ideal path is to save some of that money, invest it in better tools that will increase your ability to earn money and experience. Yeah, maybe you have to grind a little harder, but as time wears on, you earn more from the better tools and eventually the grinding becomes easier and leveling up becomes faster.

Or you can buy your way into the game, dominate it without spending any time, just money. Very few people start here, and it's a waste of time to concentrate on these guys unless they are directly griefing you.

Even that seems like a useless dream. Slowly try to save up money, and all of a sudden everything now has fees or restrictions that make you end up forfeiting your paycheck, which leads to needing to take an advance to survive on, which puts you in debt that you have to use your next paycheck on, and borrow more money on top of already quickly growing interest...

I just feel it's strange so many people are miserable and in those or similar situations, and don't just give up and wait to die from hunger or something else. I mean, at that point, you have nothing to lose ...

If you can't manage debt, then grinding away without taking on debt is probably the best thing for you.

Lenny_da_Hog:AlwaysRightBoy: I work with so many 20-year-olds in NYC that I want to kill KILL KILL!

/maybe a little more of kill.. KILL KILL KILLL.... seriously how did they ever make it through college.. It amazes me? Half of these kids that are sent to me and I have to hire don't know what a shoelase is no lest the jist of what ad work is like../old guy in the ad bis... kill KILL KILL KILL Wahhhhhhhhhhhhh

It seems to me Bill Hicks had some advice that would completely solve your anxiety issues.

You laugh, but with modern technology 4 hours a day accomplishes a shiat ton more than 8 or 12 used to. There's no John Henry that can out-harvest a combine.

He's not laughing. He's a true believer.

So am I. Romans lived the farkin' life through slavery. That's immoral and wrong. However, now we have machines and robots. Slaves that have no ability to be free nor sentience to appreciate freedom even were it granted. Constructs, devoid of all but the purpose to which they're set.

We could all live like the richer castes of Roman society with a few simple changes to our societal philosophy. Let the machines do the crap work and focus on self actualization. Make money into a thing that is only used for recreation and ornamentation. The basics, like food and water and shelter, can easily be free with minimum human labor.

In my ideal world, we'd all be guaranteed a life like in a free to play MMORPG. Tunic, hut, basic medical, hygine and all the nutraloaf you can eat. That's farkin' it. Pretty good for a homeless dude. Pretty shiat for anyone else. So, what we would do next is make all things like cooking, textiles, the arts, basically all the same shiat we do now, extra. That would cost money. You want decent food? Cough up some coins? Want coins? Offer up some value to another person. Carve a nice walking stick, sell it to a man who needs one, buy yourself a burger. You've earned it.

It would be hard at first, but ideally we'd have a hybrid of capitalism and communism. An actual working society where we work a bit for others and a lot for our own pet projects. Minimize this idea that you have to do drudgery, because you really don't.

You laugh, but with modern technology 4 hours a day accomplishes a shiat ton more than 8 or 12 used to. There's no John Henry that can out-harvest a combine.

He's not laughing. He's a true believer.

So am I. Romans lived the farkin' life through slavery. That's immoral and wrong. However, now we have machines and robots. Slaves that have no ability to be free nor sentience to appreciate freedom even were it granted. Constructs, devoid of all but the purpose to which they're set.

We could all live like the richer castes of Roman society with a few simple changes to our societal philosophy. Let the machines do the crap work and focus on self actualization. Make money into a thing that is only used for recreation and ornamentation. The basics, like food and water and shelter, can easily be free with minimum human labor.

In my ideal world, we'd all be guaranteed a life like in a free to play MMORPG. Tunic, hut, basic medical, hygine and all the nutraloaf you can eat. That's farkin' it. Pretty good for a homeless dude. Pretty shiat for anyone else. So, what we would do next is make all things like cooking, textiles, the arts, basically all the same shiat we do now, extra. That would cost money. You want decent food? Cough up some coins? Want coins? Offer up some value to another person. Carve a nice walking stick, sell it to a man who needs one, buy yourself a burger. You've earned it.

It would be hard at first, but ideally we'd have a hybrid of capitalism and communism. An actual working society where we work a bit for others and a lot for our own pet projects. Minimize this idea that you have to do drudgery, because you really don't.

What you're describing doglover is basically a semi-scarcity or early post-scarcity economy. Think about it this way: What happens when our ability to produce exceeds our ability to consume to such a point that there's simply no need for every single person to work in order for us to be able to afford to feed and shelter every single person on a basic level?

We've already hit that point with food, the world produces enough food for everyone to be as fat as americans, but there isn't enough money in the world for everyone to buy their share of food. So we let them starve.

Why? Because American culture isn't anti-welfare, that's a common misunderstanding. American culture is Pro-Suffering. That's why for all the talk about family values we offer fark all in the way of actually giving people time off so they can actually be with their family.

People USED to make enough money and have enough time off to actually spend time with their families or on civic involvement, that's why parents and especially grandparents talk so much about the freemasons, the elks, bowling leagues... they had the TIME to do this shiat.

You laugh, but with modern technology 4 hours a day accomplishes a shiat ton more than 8 or 12 used to. There's no John Henry that can out-harvest a combine.

He's not laughing. He's a true believer.

Hey, ummm...the boss wants five copies of that report you just finished, as soon as possible.

Ohh, sorry. The printer's broken, you can't just open the file on your computer, hit "print" five times, then have a cup of coffee while you wait for all the paper to come out.Copy machine's down, too.

But we found your original copy and here's a typewriter, have at it. Oh yeah, no printer means no AutoCAD renders, either, doesn't it? Well, there's a lightbox table and plenty of sketching paper. You want a compass, straightedge, and slide rule too, or are you good with just freehanding it?

Oh did I forget to mention he wants it in the other office, the one halfway across the country? No, you know him, he won't accept an emailed master copy, take it to Kinkos, and have them do it on their copy machines...type it up by hand and mail it, chop chop.

/I expect by now you understand office automation's productivity increases...

You laugh, but with modern technology 4 hours a day accomplishes a shiat ton more than 8 or 12 used to. There's no John Henry that can out-harvest a combine.

He's not laughing. He's a true believer.

Hey, ummm...the boss wants five copies of that report you just finished, as soon as possible.

Ohh, sorry. The printer's broken, you can't just open the file on your computer, hit "print" five times, then have a cup of coffee while you wait for all the paper to come out.Copy machine's down, too.

But we found your original copy and here's a typewriter, have at it. Oh yeah, no printer means no AutoCAD renders, either, doesn't it? Well, there's a lightbox table and plenty of sketching paper. You want a compass, straightedge, and slide rule too, or are you good with just freehanding it?

Oh did I forget to mention he wants it in the other office, the one halfway across the country? No, you know him, he won't accept an emailed master copy, take it to Kinkos, and have them do it on their copy machines...type it up by hand and mail it, chop chop.

/I expect by now you understand office automation's productivity increases...

The problem is not that, the problem is that mentality is applied to work that must be done by people.

It's easy to say that since now we have such amazing productivity tools, it takes less people to complete a assignment. To certain extent it does, but now we've swung so far to one end, we expect more work out of one person that would be better completed with two.