I can definitely relate my back problems to feeling unsupported, and shoulder problems as having to carry the weight of the world on my shoulders! I'm going to go through this list and see what else I notice...

posted August 09, 2007 07:58 AM
Very dangerous, irresponsible, and denial based information.So, someone has an incurable infection like A.I.D.S.So they follow the advice and "think" they are cured and go out and blissfully infect more folks.Yes, I know of folks who believed that new age crap thinking, and were horrified to discover they still had it and had given it to others.

And what about other proven by tests, x-rays and so forth things?I am disabled and the x-rays, numerous MRIs, and other tests confirm it all. It is not in my mind nor created or caused by my mind or feelings.

I know folks missing limbs and all the affirmations will not make them grow new ones.

Yes a person can imagine they have something and it will mimic the real thing but it will not be it, only in their mind, All tests will show they do not have anything.

That kind of information is a disgusting slap in the face to someone like me, (and many others too), who is not imagining my body woes and did not ask for them nor cause them, no more than a baby born with birth defects did.

It is irresponsible to give folks with real disease and illness not imaginary, all that fake advice and cures.

Oh that it were that easy to cure!But that is giving false hope to the gullible, possibly causing them to not seek real medical advice, diagnosis and care.Or worse, turning folks loose with infections they pass to others because they la la la believe they are cured.

Be it all on the heads of irresponsible jerks like those who give such advice. May they reap the damage they cause because gullible folks were injured, infected, made worse, or die because of following such idiotic advice.

------------------"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~

posted August 09, 2007 08:14 AM
I have known folks with A.I.D.S. who believed that if they had sex with a virgin free of A.I.D.S., that it would cure them!Some are dead and the "virgins" soon will be.I have known folks with cancer who went for such ridiculous advice and flocked to every quack faith healer, and took new age advice telling them they were cured or it was all in their minds or a conspiracy by doctors to get money.All those folks are dead despite following all that new age crackpot advice and the faith healers.Such folks dispensing such crap advice and snake oil fake cures should be sued and prosecuted for the harm they have caused others. To those here at LL who have previously told me my disabilities are my fault, and or all in my head, or because I deserve them,I really do not care what you think and if you become afflicted I hope you get the compassion and understanding you have denied others with your holier than thou imagined sense of high spirituality.

I did a reading for a man who complained of sudden dizziness. My advice led him to a doctor that afternoon and he was in surgery within hours.He had a blockage in his carotid and would have died any moment if he had not had the immediate surgery. By Ms Hays thinking I should have told him this instead! .

quote: Dizziness=Flighty, scattered thinking.

Or this crap!

quote: Stroke=Giving up, rejecting life. "I'd rather die than change."

I have had strokes and am not afraid of change! I have not given up despite hardship! I am a survivor! I enjoy my life despite problems! I want to keep living! I take time to smell the roses and totally do enjoy the simple pleasures of life, both before having strokes and after!I am the happiest I have been in my life to date despite all I have endured!Ms Hays is a fool and dispensing potentially dangerous false and insulting information.I could comment on all her narrow minded flawed statements but I will not.Rants over.

------------------"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~

posted August 09, 2007 03:52 PM
Zala! You gave me a good laugh with your responses!

I get quite angry over these new age o0ne size fits all cure alls and causes.

Yeah, for the truly psychosomatic ailments, NOT having any type of physical basis, such advice may be somewhat useful. However in the psychiatric sense, those physical woes can also be caused by physical chemical imbalances in the brain.

In the case of unfounded phobias or non physically explained hypochondria, those could be perhaps past life memories.

Then there is Münchausen syndrome by proxy.A child can in essence become brainwashed into believing they are gravely ill because of a parent with this. However some parents will actually poison the child or abuse them to bring on real symptoms.

quote:Just goes to show that one needs to shift their Common Sense into high gear when reading stuff on the internet.....

------------------"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~

posted August 09, 2007 11:18 PM
Oh yes I agree with what you're saying... I myself have been angry when I was sick with chronic fatigue and chemical sensitivities, and hearing things that seemed to place all of the blame on me. Things like cancer, strokes etc are not to be taken lightly and who's to argue with what a medical test result may be showing? It would be dangerous to rely on something like this - I always say play things EXTREMELY safe when it comes to your health and ALWAYS place yourself in the right hands.

Sometimes there does appear to be a synchronicity between symptoms and the emotions though (however other ones I've looked at don't seem to fit - it said that a sore/stiff neck means I'm not flexible about seeing other points of view, which couldn't be further from the truth). I'm wondering how often people find the synchronicities? And are there really people out there who rely on affirmations to heal themselves? I think it can be a useful part of healing but NOT to be replaced by sensible treatment.

Please don't think I'm promoting the Louise Hay approach as a cure-all, because that's definitely not the case!

------------------"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~

posted August 10, 2007 05:27 PM
I feel I must respond with somewhat of a different perspective here. First off, Louise Hay does advocate medical support for those with HIV. To imply otherwise is irresponsible, at the least. She was one of the first to respond to the hiv infected gay community with love and acceptance, and the work she did with them in the 80's enabled many souls to die with dignity and love that they otherwise may not have had. In fact, her organizations actively provide azt and other hiv suppressing medications to sufferers here in the u.s. and overseas. While i do not personally find help in all of her teachings, I know that she has helped many, many people accept themselves with love. I understand why some people may feel affronted by her concepts, but it might be prudent to recognize that perhaps just as many have found comfort in them. I do believe that I have some hand in everything in my life, positive and negative, but i also believe that those who don't feel that way are just as valid in their beliefs as i am in mine. Whatever gets us through this life with dignity and kindness works. Just my two cents.

posted August 10, 2007 06:33 PM
Then she should stick to helping with real treatments and comforting,not insulting and lying to folks about cause and cures.The sites/she, said CAUSES of the specified illnesses or disease etcetera,and made strong implications that if you do the affirmations yippie yahoo you will be healed!Look how ridiculous the following are!

I do wonder now....if those I have known who havedied from A.I.D.S., after giving it to others, had read her books and taken her advice!They were going on heavily about metaphysical causes and cures, acting all spacey about it allbelieving they were cured. She may have good intentions but I wonder how may folksshe has inadvertently killed or made worse who followed her causes and cures.

If mind and affirmations could cure my eyes I would have perfect vision by now and my body would be completely healthy!

quote:Eye Problems Astigmatism -Fear of "seeing" the self.Cataracts -Inability to see joy ahead.In Children -Not wanting to see what's going on in the family.Farsighted -Fear of the present.Nearsighted -Fear of the future.

That is just bigoted, meanspirited nasty vile and cruel. While she is at it let her attack the blind, the amputeees,the people we have lost to cancer, and so forth.What a sleeze bag she is.I know many folks with cerebral palsy and MS her words would hurt them greatly or make them angry.If she wants to make statements of cause of illness and cures, she needs legally,I would think to have a degree in psychiatry, and look at the imaginary phobias and hypochondriacs,and stop addressing physical illness andphysical illness causes.

------------------"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~

posted August 10, 2007 06:42 PM
Some things can have a non physical cause.For example:

quote:Stuttering Insecurity, lack of self- expression. Not being allowed to cry.

However even that can be due to stroke or injury etcetera.I feel revolted and horrified reading most of what she believes and advocates.Yeah, lets all go back to the days when women were told any ailment was their imaginations, allcaused by hysteria! And why medicine is still behind when it comes to women's health.

With all the illnesses I have had and things I still have....By Ms Hays reckoning I must be one of the lowest most evil horrible un-evolved weak minded crazy,delusional etcetera person...on earth!It is hard enough dealing with life and illness without a fool like her being very cruel and demeaningand insulting to folks.I wonder if folks here at LL who have been nasty or unkind to me about my health used her wordsas proof to judge me. Very unkind.Very un-compassionate.And her trying to couch it as being helpful...talk about someone with a mental problem, what adelusional person she is if she believes her drek in full. I do not know which is the most repulsive,and dangerous, the snake oil salesman who know he/she is lying, or someone like her who may inher delusions believe she is offering sensible advice.

Can mind affect real disease and illness? Of course it can, but DOES NOT CAUSE IT ANDnicey nice affirmations WILL NOT automatically CURE IT.

It makes me sad and angry that she is making money http://www.louisehay.com/off the suffering of folks andpreying on their desperate hopes for cures.

------------------"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~

posted August 10, 2007 09:00 PM
i love Louise Hay. her books and affirmations have helped me tremendously. after reading her work and applying her principles, some serious health issues i had cleared up and disappeared. she really helped me to understand the connection between mind and body, which i believe is paramount. i suppose it's all in your perspective...

a quote from one of the websites listed above ~ "Understanding the illness can help you address the cause and thereby riding the body of the disease. That doesn't mean that you can forgo mainstream medicine all together."

Louise really does help us learn to love and accept ourselves, and this, i believe, is integral to real and lasting healing. her words provide a comforting blanket of love as well. it is very soothing to read her work. the way it manifested for me, and what i think her intention is, is that once you become more connected to your body via your thoughts, your intuition about appropriate treatments increases, and you begin a healing path conducive to you personally.

i'm sure there are wide and varied perspectives on her concepts, but i do believe that she has helped a lot of people with her work. her books are some of my favorites in my collection -- i peruse them often.

posted August 16, 2007 02:43 PM
Ohhhhh I love her stuff. For me, it hits home. It goes hand in hand with the N.E.T. program my Chiropractor uses. In where they believe emotions affect the body on almost every level. Inwhich they help me identify and resolve the issue at hand that's affecting my mind and/or body. Usually when I leave I am given a affirmation to use. In most cases its helped me better understand myself. When i first encountered N.E.T. my Finace's father used it on me while giving me and adjustment ... i was flabbergasted when i left ... how could he know so much about me, when he didnt KNOW me or KNOW of the problems i was facing. I told him how amazed i was with his work and swore he was psychic to know so much about me, wherein he replied, "The human body is like a big book, and to read that book, you have to know the language" ...

I still dont own one of her books, but i do use the net alot to research her work regarding specific problems.

In my profession as an ICU RN, I see the manifestations of mind/body medicine all of the time..

For example:

People who have coronory artery bypass grafts, have literally cut off the flow of life force (blood) to the center of their be-ings (the heart.)I have spent time with these folks are most are very sad.... A dear friend of mine recently had a heart attack and got away with angioplasty and stents...but has not heeded my warnings of his serious Uranus transits going on now and the sham of a marriage he is in...wants out, in love with another woman, but...

Another friend of mine married when she was 14, (her mom married her off) to a military doctor who is 20 years her senior. My friend is beautiful and she was clearly the trophy wife...she gave all to her husband, family, and when she got in her 40's developed cervical cancer---kept telling her she was denying her femaninity as she had lost herself...so her female organs retaliated!!!

Alot of patients I see with lung problems have alot to say, but can not...so their pent up emotions, thoughts, etc sit and brew and eventually they can not breathe...

posted August 29, 2007 09:24 PM
What about folks who are happy and do not fit her "causes" yet still have illness?She is so off base it is unbelievable for me personally.

------------------"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~Everything changes.Fear not the changes.}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~

quote:But, from a spiritual perspective, from the very highest vantage point, we come to the realization that these two are in fact one. And for the enlightened person, there is Heaven on Earth... period. The inner heaven has born fruit, and transfigured the world in such a way that even suffering does not technically exist for them, - or, rather, it is not suffering as such, or as we understand it, but, something necessary and natural to the realization of harmony, which is neither good nor bad, there or not there, and which does not touch them, for they hold no thought of it. It is as if suffering were a caterpillar, compassion a butterfly, and, while the eyes of the body still see caterpillars, the third eye sees only butterflies. The future has come. "Behold, the Kingdom is upon you."

That rather succinctly reflects my outlook on living! Paradise is within humanity's grasp. Or the realization of it. I see it everywhere! It is here but most ignore it. As to suffering..exactly! A week ago I lost part of my eyesight due to an ocular stroke. It impacts my life, even posting now takes an effort now it did not before. I cannot type like normal folks due to physiological glitches, but have learned to use one finger quite adeptly. Part of seeing heaven on Earth is going with the flow and adjusting accordingly. Life is still beautiful to me and I treasure it all. My vision troubles have led me into new ways of seeing things both inside and out.Do I want my vision restored? Of course I do!But why bemoan it? The big black area looks like a storm cloud with a silver lining. I find myself meditating on that. It could have been far worse, if it had hit my brain, I could have died.Some here say I deserve my afflictions. Some say I caused them by incorect thought.I say nay to such fools!I am blessed!Few understand, and either give pity which serves no purpose but to make them feel better, or say I deserve it or have incorrect thought.See "stroke" here; http://www.paganspath.com/healing/ailments.htmSo far from my way of thinking!Compassion is fine, It means for example, understanding that I may not reply to folk's posts or e-mails immediately. or have spelling errors, not thinking I am ignoring anyone but showing respect for my limitations and granting me time to reply when I am able.I am the happiest I have ever been in my life to date! Most folks cannot understand that.OK....going now! Taking in those snippets of Heaven on Earth this late evening!

------------------"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~Everything changes.Fear not the changes."My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~

posted September 02, 2007 06:32 PM
Faye..as far as people who are happy, I would have to say that people are the masters of disguise and do not often display their true lives to people even those close to them, so the objective observer may deem an individual "happy" when actually he/she is dying inside... Or maybe they are hiding from their own problems and do not admit their issues to themselves so when submerged, emotional issues often mainfest as physical issues...

Tho I do not agree with everything she has to say, from my experience both professionally and personally I totally support mind/body medicine!!!

MiaMammy..I would guess maybe some leftovers from past life issues, probably. Children do not usually get diagnosed with asthma until in the late toddler stages at the earliest, when their immune systems have matured and begin to display immune-allergic response. As I said previously, asthma, lung problems (I have asthma as well so I am speaking from personal experience here) are usually a manifestation of the individual not being able to say what they want to say, not being able to speak up for themselves. Look to your birtchart as well, often Saturn in the 3rd or in Gem is manifested as this as well.

posted September 02, 2007 06:42 PM
O, and also Miamanny, my 15yr old was born with a sever heart defect, so Ms. Hay's assertations here would hot hold water. I think the author is refering to physcially mature individuals, ie: adolescents-adults.

I have chalked her heart defect to a past life issue. She has often told me that her previous life was as a soldier in the Civil War, so maybe she was shot in the heart???

posted September 07, 2007 07:37 PM
Well injury and birth defects are behind the majority of mine also, so MS Hayes causes do not fit either. Damage to my eyes by being a premmie, born with heart defects, other birth defects such as hunch back and club feet, and more birth defects, hit by car, industrial accidents, flash fire to face, and the list goes on. But no one bothers to ask usually, they simply judge the present book by its cover. To put it bluntly, 99% of my current problems of the body can be traced to injuries, and birth defects.I do believe in the mind body connection and that is one reason why I am not worse off. I did not get the mumps, measles or chicken pox even though I was never vaccinated. My mother tried exposing me to other kids so I could get it all and get over it. No dice. I can handle poison ivy with no ill effects too.When cut or burned I heal within hours. Even when I almost got my thumb severed off, I had it sewn back on and set without pain killers. Within 4 days you could barely tell anything had happened.

------------------"Heaven doesn't want me and Hell is afraid I'll take over and start a rehab for the damned!"~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~~ if you keep doing what you did, you'll keep getting what you got.~Everything changes.Fear not the changes."My body is physically disabled, but I am not my body nor am I its disabilities!"}><}}}(*> <*){{{><{~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~

posted April 28, 2009 10:25 PM
Its difficult to understand metaphysically how illnesses occur. But I do know that illness can occur because of our beliefs about ourselves. These perceptions or schemas we have built early on in life. Freud knew about the unconcious mind and how it affects us mentally and emotionally. We are not even aware that we have developed these patterns. How to undo patterns that causes us harm is not an easyquestion to answer ?

Louise Hayes cannot give us the answer because the mystery is not revealed to her.I do know that there is something to what she is saying.

posted June 19, 2009 03:23 PM
Anyone who actually reads "You Can Heal Your Life" will know that Louise Hay by NO means implies that hers is the only process, path or ideology. Nor does she disavow "western" medical care in favor of any other form of treatment or care. What she does do is illuminate the ENORMOUS power the way we think and use our thoughts and brains CAN influence better lives and likewise, better health. In "eastern" medicine and concepts, Ayurveda, TCM, Oriental Medicine, Reiki, et al... there is one common thread, that all disease, or rather "dis-ease" (the state of not being bodily, mentally, spiritually "at ease".... all "dis-ease" begins with a thought. Louise Hay is simply writing her experience and bringing out these concepts in a way that "western" minds can understand them. Clearly some "dis-ease" progresses past the point of healing by means of energy (Reiki to name but one) or even medicinal practices employed in various "eastern" methods. "Western" medicine has its place... Louise Hay does not pretend otherwise. To those here who have tried to imply that she has, perhaps a more thorough reading of this book will enlighten you further. A Buddhist (Zen) friend of mine said it best.... that though some forms of Buddhism feel their path is quicker, the point is not that we all take the SAME path, but rather that we TAKE A PATH... perferrably with an open mind and heart so it will be a GOOD PATH.