The purchase cost of the vehicle is included in most of the analyses I've seen. It is usually called depreciation.I prefer costs per km because it is easier to work out, both vehicles have an odometer. Also easier to apply to a particular journey. My motor vehicles in particular don't get used for commuting, so the km done varies a lot from month to month.

tinhorn wrote:If people only view cycling as a form of transport and that only then the cost savings will only be marginal - though still cheaper 99% of the time.

-1. For me: car = $2,500 per year to commute (minimum) and bus = $1,400 per year. I have spent less than $100 this year so far to commute, which includes clothing. For someone who is prepared to keep it simple, the cost savings can be significant.

[url]http://books.google.com.au/books?id=yVw0z-Vm1IAC&dq=divorce+your+car&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=w-soSrneGaXmtQORspDeCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4[/url divorce your car says that a car costs more to run that the time you save running it. figures really. But if you own five bikes...

Not to mention all the indirect benefits and savings, such as:- Personal savings due to fewer doctor's bills- Government savings on road maintenance due to less wear and tear on roads (so perhaps our taxes could be better directed? Yeah I know, I'm a dreamer)- Others (I'm sure there are others, but can't be bothered thinking what they are right now - had a busy week)

All I know is bicycles cause less stress on our transport infrastructure, take up less room, etc. so there are heaps of indirect savings as well as the obvious ones.

“Newspapers are unable, seemingly to discriminate between a bicycle accident and the collapse of civilization”- George Bernard Shaw.

I decided last year to do without a car. It's been the best decison I have made in a long while. I have lost 30kg. I am fitter than I have been for decades, and healthier than most of my middle aged peers ... and I have money. I always have money.

It's not just petrol, servicing, rego, fines, car washing, insurance, depreciation, finance and other car related expenditure that makes the difference either. Depending on a bike changes the way you do things. Take shopping for instance. A whole industry has been built around the realisation that there is more margin for service stations in selling lollies, milk and bread than petrol ... and they charge what they like. Motorists stress out over the board price for petrol but once they are in the service station they barely seem to care about the price of whatever else they pick up when paying for the fuel. They regard this 'impulse buying' as convenience.

I haven't been in a service station (or 'convenience store') since I got rid of the car. And I don't habitually buy the stuff I would buy at a convenience store if I were driving a car either. No pineapple doughnuts and bad coffee for me. Nor have I been to a 'drive thru' either. Getting out of the car helped break my burger habit.

I can see a huge difference in outcome if one takes into account of traffic jams for short distance commutes vs long distance commutes with no congestion.

Can't put a price to health. The comparison ends there as far as I'm concerned. However, if you do want to compare - do take medical bills in years to come into account. I wish I didn't wait till this late age to start cycling!!

I decided last year to do without a car. It's been the best decison I have made in a long while. I have lost 30kg. I am fitter than I have been for decades, and healthier than most of my middle aged peers ... and I have money. I always have money.

It's not just petrol, servicing, rego, fines, car washing, insurance, depreciation, finance and other car related expenditure that makes the difference either. Depending on a bike changes the way you do things. Take shopping for instance. A whole industry has been built around the realisation that there is more margin for service stations in selling lollies, milk and bread than petrol ... and they charge what they like. Motorists stress out over the board price for petrol but once they are in the service station they barely seem to care about the price of whatever else they pick up when paying for the fuel. They regard this 'impulse buying' as convenience.

I haven't been in a service station (or 'convenience store') since I got rid of the car. And I don't habitually buy the stuff I would buy at a convenience store if I were driving a car either. No pineapple doughnuts and bad coffee for me. Nor have I been to a 'drive thru' either. Getting out of the car helped break my burger habit.

Apparently the real cost of operating a car is about 86c per kilometre that you drive it. So my round trip to Uni would cost me $43 each day I drive, which would make $1,806 per semester, plus $110 parking for a total of $1,916 per semester. Considering that train tickets for the same period cost $210 for me plus $105 for the bike (I travel off-peak in mornings) totalling $315 per semester, I make a $1,601 saving every semester. That's $12,808 saved by the end of my degree. So I can justify spending nearly $13,000 on bicycle stuff for the next 4 years,

This one hit home recently when I busted the rear wheel on my Elan X Country bike. I've been using the Malvern Star 3-speed for everything, and am constantly concerned because... lets just say it needs work and is NOT in prime mechanical condition at the moment.

hartleymartin wrote:Apparently the real cost of operating a car is about 86c per kilometre that you drive it.

This number actually depends on lots of different factors.

My current car cost me $0.57 per km in the first year of ownership for depreciation only. Add fuel, maintenance, rego, insurance and parking and the total came to about $1.25/km for that year (2004). It progressively got cheaper as the k's were racked up, but now the thing is mostly just sitting in my garage. Since May 2008, it's only done about 1,500 km.... costing me well over $1.00/km now in rego & insurance alone. I can't bring myself to sell it because in the current market I'll get nothing for it... but it breaks my heart to see it just sitting there unused. Quoting Natalie Imbruglia, "I'm torn." It's the first car I've owned since it was new. All previous cars have been 2nd hand.

As of this morning, my current bike has cost me a little bit over $2/km... but I've only had it since June... and that figure assumes that there's no resale value, since I'll be riding it until it falls apart.

Fletcher wrote:There is some merit to this idea of owning two bikes. I would probably sulk like an infant if my bike was out of action for a week. Resorting to the car would be, well, just completely unacceptable.

I just can't help to think owning a second bike purely as a spare is insane.For a week you can hire a bike , for a week you can go by public transport.or even ask a colleague for a lift or...There are probably more options....

The only time i 'loose' my bike for a few day's is for a service...(and i do have sick-leave.....evil laughter; whoehaha )

The dutch have one word to describe the aussie MHL, this word is ;SCHIJNVEILIGHEID !!

I do believe it is handy to have a spare bike for the times your main bike is out of action. Time like this can include when you ware something out- you have no spare tubes- you have no spare brake - your main bike is in the shop for work- etc

Your spare bike should really be your old bike or in my case my old bike that is the spouses bike.

As for comparing costthese really need to be compared using both the per-km and per-week costMy cost is when only using commuting is 15c per kmand cost of it's life so far $8.96 per week

Both of these have included maintance, accessiories and the replacement cost.

when using both it would be impossible to compare with a motor vehicle that is barely nearing three years of age.

Donald

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beauyboy wrote:I do believe it is handy to have a spare bike for the times your main bike is out of action. Time like this can include when you ware something out- you have no spare tubes- you have no spare brake - your main bike is in the shop for work- etc

Ahum , i am sure you can convince yourself that you need a spare bike,but please don't use ; I have no spare tubes as an excuse...Evrybody should always have them , no excuses there...it just takes a bit of organising to have them in stock.Not that difficult

The dutch have one word to describe the aussie MHL, this word is ;SCHIJNVEILIGHEID !!

That is true but many do not keep spares. But also I said a spare bike should only be a spare when it is your old bike or it is your spouses bike. Buying a bike for simply the perpose to have a spare is wasteful. My main point is that when you replace your first bike ( as most of us do) keep it for the times when you do not have spare parts.

Donald

BCC give us some more bikeways fore safe travel!!!!Upgrade the NCL now QR!!!!!!http://nakedcyclistbrissy.blogspot.com/My views do not represent any organisation I may be apart of unless otherwise stated

BCC give us some more bikeways fore safe travel!!!!Upgrade the NCL now QR!!!!!!http://nakedcyclistbrissy.blogspot.com/My views do not represent any organisation I may be apart of unless otherwise stated

I got my first bike in 10 years about 6 weeks / 520kms ago. I picked up a discounted Fuji Absolute from the LBS. Nothing particularly flash, but comfy and easily the best bike I've ever owned!

I had a realisation one day that:

1. While I love my MX5 for weekends away, it's a crap car for parramatta road (especially once I've set up the suspension how I like it)2. The drive from home (Newtown) to work (Homebush, atm.) takes me about 50 minutes at peak hour, and more to get home.3. Assuming no major wind, it's the same time or FASTER to ride a bike to work as to drive, but I arrive feeling awake and ready to go, rather than frustrated.

However, I would say that running a bike isn't particularly cheap. In the beginning at least while you acquire a floor pump, lights, lock, helmet, shoes, more shorts, etc. it's even more expensive than the normal car associated costs. That said, the cost of owning a car has to include the depreciation involved in owning it. So even if you completely write off the cost of buying the bike as soon as you get it from your LBS it's still WAY cheaper than the 5k+ p.a. it costs just to own a newish car. Then factor in that most cars are purchased using finance, where as bikes you can generally stump up the cash for and the gap is even wider. For me, the benefits to health and life style are easily worth the sunk cost of the bike itself, and the convenience factor of the bike as personal transport in my area far outweigh the cost of the bike by themselves.

So based on the economics, I think I will probably end up getting a better bike later (if i stick with it, all signs point to yes!) and keeping the existing one, since even in the short period I've had it I've managed 2 punctures; 1 completely shredded tyre; and 2 wheels in need of truing up. The last bit kept me in the car when I would much rather have been on the saddle.

I agree...but i've got three bikes,a Raleigh,a Malvern Star and a Giant.They are all very different and therefor not much good for spare parts as such.I also have a 1970 VW Kombi and use it to commute to my night job until now.OK i'll probably hop back into the Kombi on wet nights....

A new vehicle I own has depreciated over $6000 a year for the past four years, this is real money out of your pocket as you realize when you come to sell, this plus insurance and rego whether you use the car or notIf you can give up the second car you can buy 3 bikes and still be way in front

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