The Culture and Media Institute is a project of the Media Research Center, a conservative media watchdog organization. The institute states that its mission "is to preserve and help restore America's culture, character, traditional values, and morals against the assault of the liberal media elite, and to promote fair portrayal of social conservatives and religious believers in the media.

I guess murdering mothers that don't uphold traditional values and morals the way you want them to is the next logical step in restoring American culture.

I'm unclear how this is indicative of "The Left"(cue scary music...now)in any context unless I'm missing something. I'm a mom and a grandmom and I'm not sure how the little girl with the penis cup would be funny in any context,but maybe I suffer from being a humor challenged feminazi too.

Note how potentially criminal the logic here is.
The "stage mom" allows her "daughter" to drink from such a cup, so she should be murdered (and having her stage daughter taken from her).

*However* this implies that according to Nolte the real mother deserves the same fate, because she allowed her real daughter to drink from such a cup for the sake of filming this episode. Maybe Nolter did not even intend this, but it is what it is.

That picture is utterly reprehensible, and Angry Boys ought to be boycotted until its management apologizes. The photo was vile, both those who created and filmed the scene and the girl's mother ought to be castigated for this. And I do think the mother should be investigated by Social Services, since she clearly is giving fame too high a priority.

But none of that justifies Nolte's call for her to be murdered. The man seems to have gone on some sick vigilante riff, only to pull it when he started catching flak over how insane he sounded.

I'm unclear how this is indicative of "The Left"(cue scary music...now)in any context unless I'm missing something. I'm a mom and a grandmom and I'm not sure how the little girl with the penis cup would be funny in any context,but maybe I suffer from being a humor challenged feminazi too.

It's all so confusing,lol.

It's simple: HBO, like the rest of 'Big Hollywood', is part of the left-wing plot to "corrupt the youth and hand America bound hand and foot to her enemies". Such at least is the mind of Breitbart.com, a site whose talent seems to have died with its namesake.

It's simple: HBO, like the rest of 'Big Hollywood', is part of the left-wing plot to "corrupt the youth and hand America bound hand and foot to her enemies". Such at least is the mind of Breitbart.com, a site whose talent seems to have died with its namesake.

I disagree -- they're absolutely carrying on in the same style as Andrew Breitbart. They're just inept at it and keep getting caught doing sleazy things, but the level of morality and simple decency is about the same.

Note how potentially criminal the logic here is.
The "stage mom" allows her "daughter" to drink from such a cup, so she should be murdered (and having her stage daughter taken from her).

*However* this implies that according to Nolte the real mother deserves the same fate, because she allowed her real daughter to drink from such a cup for the sake of filming this episode. Maybe Nolter did not even intend this, but it is what it is.

"Stage mom" means a mother whose kid or kids work in show business. The real kid's real mom.

I disagree -- they're absolutely carrying on in the same style as Andrew Breitbart. They're just inept at it and keep getting caught doing sleazy things, but the level of morality and simple decency is about the same.

I agree with you entirely, I'm just saying that they've become the 'gang that couldn't shoot straight'.

One can object to this however Nolte's rhetoric is way out of line. Words have meaning and power and can inspire those with weaker minds to commit violent crimes. Especially given the reactionary and extremist nature of the Breitbart audience. Nolte should be fired immediately or suspended for 30 days. Of course that will not happen and they will instead point and laugh. This is what's now acceptable "conservative" behavior.

Looking closer at the picture, IIRC there is a fertility festival in Japan this time of year with lots of genital shaped objects involved. I doubt there is anything even slightly sinister in anyone's mind about this in Japan.

Perhaps our culture should worry more about how something like this affects the kids than how insulted or embarrassed the adults feel?

About the same way it has affecting the MILLIONS of Asian that see this kind of thing in many fertility rituals every year. This time of year especially. Just because our 'culture' decided to represent fertility as a fucking bunny and eggs rather than a may pole (phallic symbol) with little girls dancing around it and to make everything natural 'dirty', doesn't mean everyone shares their views.

Not saying this is what is happening here, but outside the our borders many people don't freak about nudity and fertility. YMMV

Looking closer at the picture, IIRC there is a fertility festival in Japan this time of year with lots of genital shaped objects involved. I doubt there is anything even slightly sinister in anyone's mind about this in Japan.

Looking closer at the picture, IIRC there is a fertility festival in Japan this time of year with lots of genital shaped objects involved. I doubt there is anything even slightly sinister in anyone's mind about this in Japan.

Looking closer at the picture, IIRC there is a fertility festival in Japan this time of year with lots of genital shaped objects involved. I doubt there is anything even slightly sinister in anyone's mind about this in Japan.

About the same way it has affecting the MILLIONS of Asian that see this kind of thing in many fertility rituals every year. This time of year especially. Just because our 'culture' decided to represent fertility as a fucking bunny and eggs rather than a may pole (phallic symbol) with little girls dancing around it and to make everything natural 'dirty', doesn't mean everyone shares their views.

Not saying this is what is happening here, but outside the our borders many people don't freak about nudity and fertility. YMMV

All I see is a pack of adults whining about how viewing something like this offends their moral sensibilities, or forces them to feel embarrassed. I see nothing demonstrating concern for the kids as a priority. Frankly, this will harm the kid in no way, unless the adults around her make sure she feels traumatized. In cultures where fertility rites are practised from day one, the kids grow up normal.

I don't have a TV so I've never seen it. My guess from my time in Japan is that is what they did for shock value here.

Here's what I think may be the explanation for the scene, from the Wikipedia article on the characters in the show:

Jen Okazaki is a softly spoken Japanese wife and mother of three, who moved with her family from Japan to Santa Barbara, California in the United States for a better life. She focuses mainly on her son Tim Okazaki to become a skateboarding champion. She decides that Tim's career can be better promoted from Tokyo, so she moves with the family back to Japan. Jen markets him not only as a cute Japanese boy, but also as a homosexual. She owns a successful empire shaped around Tim's skateboarding success called, "GayStyle Enterprises", in which she sells penis-shaped whistles, perfume dispensers, water bottles, and scrubbing brushes.

My daughter auditioned and was selected for a part in a movie called "Another Happy Day" with Ellen Barkin and Demi Moore. The movie featured some really disturbing themes about drug abuse, domestic violence, self mutilation, and copious amounts of profanity in the script. When the movie came out we told Grandma and Grandpa not to even watch it because we knew they would have freaked out.

I do think that water bottle was way over the top, but there is a very good chance the girl's parents had no idea about that detail when she auditioned for the part.

But penis humor is a major premise of “Angry Boys.” Out Magazine reported that the show features a Japanese mother exploiting her teenage son “to create a merchandising empire of cock shaped products.” In one episode, according to Out Magazine, the mother (played by a male, the creator and director of the show, Chris Lilley) unscrewed a pink plastic penis and shook it over parmesan cheese.

I skimmed the comments. Lots of outrage about the scene being on TV, no outrage of the pictures being on Breitbart.com. So it's OK to post what they consider to be outrageous porn there for them to comment on?

I skimmed the comments. Lots of outrage about the scene being on TV, no outrage of the pictures being on Breitbart.com. So it's OK to post what they consider to be outrageous porn there for them to comment on?

Really unlikely she's a pedophile. The people who buy their kids 'juicy couture' clothing are also not pedophiles, nor are the ones who enter them into gross beauty pageants.

Pedophiles like having sex with children. I guess some people get confused about that.

The ends justify the means in fighting back against the evil left, Patriot. Why quibble about specific words and their meanings? Pedophiles, fags, fairy boys, all the same. Let em know you're watching and you won't let them destroy America.

The ends justify the mean in fighting back against the evil left, Patriot. Why quibble about specific words and their meanings? Pedophiles, fags, fairy boys, all the same. Let em know you're watching and you won't let them destroy America.

Whats more damaging? A girl drinking from a stupid looking cup, or a public call for murder? Let me take the .0001 second to sort that out. The writers of angry boys could not have written a better distraction from their bad taste in imagery.

I'd like to make a motion: I move that it be hereby resolved that any mention of the "New Black Panthers" be deemed identical to shouting "Squirrel!", unless the mention is made with 48 hours of the group performing an actual newsworthy act. Whether an act is 'newsworthy' shall be determined by Charles Johnson.

I'd like to make a motion: I move that it be hereby resolved that any mention of the "New Black Panthers" be deemed identical to shouting Squirrel!", unless the mention is made with 48 hours of the group performing an actual newsworthy act. Whether an act is 'newsworthy' shall be determined by Charles Johnson.

Lilley, too, is riotously priapic. Phil Olivetti in We Can Be Heroes leers about his hefty endowment, and Jonah in Summer Heights High draws bulbous penises all over the school buildings. Angry Boys, which exposes the strutting imposture of masculinity, is even more obscene.

Or is it? Once again, Lilley delights in creating discomfort, with qualms about inadequacy undercutting the fertile riot we expect. Dan Sims brands a mongrel dog a “fag” because its hindquarters wiggle as it shows off its testicles; he chastens Nath’s frantic wanking, and tries to dent his brother’s erection by hurling a shoe at it. One of Lilley’s new creations, a Los Angeles rapper called S.mouse, brags about his “motherfucking dick” and his “big black balls”, though it is all loud, empty braggadocio, as his discontented girlfriend hints.

Back home, a beach bum called Blake Oakfield – played by Lilley as a sad pseudo-Californian wannabe, a surfer, who, like Mishima’s sailor, has fallen from grace with the sea – is actually a gelding. His balls were amputated after he was shot in the groin during a pub brawl, and he claims to be investigating the possibility of acquiring a decorative prosthetic pair to plump out his Speedos; meanwhile, he needs daily testosterone supplements and relies on a sperm donor to beget his kids. He seems to be wishing his own emasculation on others, since he initiates new members of his surfie gang by tying chunks of bleeding meat to their genitals and sending them out beyond the breakers to attract sharks.

The most fiendishly penis-fixated of Lilley’s personae is a woman: this is the ambitious Japanese matriarch Jen Okazaki, who forces her teenage son Tim to pretend he is gay to boost his career as a skateboarding champion. “We know you love cock,” she tells the wilting lad, coaxing him to ogle the pendulous nuts of a pin-up in a porn mag. Jen is a castration complex in human form. For her, the male organ is a merchandising opportunity and, to exploit her son’s popularity, she manufactures a line of fleshly pink fetishes for a gay clientele – a cock-shaped whistle that enjoys being blown, a penile drinking bottle that enables you to rehearse fellatio while hydrating, a disciplinary scrubbing brush with a bristly phallic knob, a dildo that somehow doubles as a dispenser for grated cheese. Unlike Sir Les Patterson’s frisky trouser snake, the members Jen sells have all been chopped off the body and rendered harmless, feminised by the anaphrodisiac household tasks they perform.

OK, yes, but this is an Australian show, and it's meant to be an edgy comedy. Based on that, I assume the scene is actually meant to be transgressive, not commonplace.

More than likely you are correct. Just wanted to point out that this is commonplace in many Asian cultures (from India on through). When I saw the pictures of the girl my first thought was an Asian spring fertility celebration.

I think it's perfectly normal to criticize this and almost guaranteed to get a reaction. I certainly would never watch anything like this either. However, the calling for someone to be "murdered" by John Nolte at Breitbart is a far greater moral sin. The least of which being way out of line.

What I'm confused about is that the writers/makers of Angry Boys immediately become "The Left" particularly since the people involved in the making of the show are Australian.

And it seems to me like a giant part of hyping this as "outrage" is taking a frame and de-contextualizing it. Having not seen the show this is pulled from, how does one know what led up to that still and how would it change the meaning of the image.

Also, the Penis = Only Sex assumption the outrage is derived from is basically a projection by the Breitlings. Lots of cultures find dicks funny--particularly the entire image of the disembodied penis--and dick humor is just pushing-social-norms ridiculousness...bawdiness.

Did you have any worries about how American audiences would react to blackface? It’s kind of a huge deal here.
Yeah, and it's actually a big deal in Australia as well. The idea is that I play multiple characters. That's what I've always done. Part of what I like to do is to push the boundaries and try new things. When I came up with the idea of the boys' heroes on the wall, I thought, Well, they're going to be into hip-hop. They're going to want a rapper to come to their party, so I have to play a black guy. And I just thought, It's going to provoke people, it's going to be headlined — and certainly everyone in Australia fell into that trap. It was all over the place, like, "Blackface! He's doing it!" Like, Australians definitely don't walk around dressed up in blackface going "Ha-ha." We're exposed to American culture and stuff, so we get it. I think I wanted to do it because I thought it was a challenging, new, interesting idea, and mostly I just thought it was a really funny character. I think once you get through 30 seconds of S'Mouse you realize there's more to the character than just a blackface joke. Like, obviously that's not the joke. You see that he's this vulnerable guy who's living at home with his dad and he gets exposed by the documentary for not being the big tough guy he's making himself out to be. There's a lot more going on. It's a character. The funny thing is, I played a Chinese student in We Can Be Heroes, I played a Tongan boy in Summer Heights High, and I play a Japanese woman also in Angry Boys, but the only one that people talk about is S'Mouse. It's kind of funny that there's only certain races that it's an issue — yes, it's that history with blackface — but, I don't know. There's no comparison. I think it's a bit stupid that you would shut yourself off to being able to do that.

"There are a lot of things that haven't been hammered at because Rick and Mitt have been going at each other," the retired mutual fund manager said before he made his comment directed at the president. He later told ABC News that he regretted his words immediately after he said them.

Hoping for violence was the instinct. Common sense kicked in too late.

I find these child beauty pageants offensive not because of any sexualization, but because the parents are treating their kids as possessions and objects to be manipulated in order to bring the parents fame or to address some perceived failing in their own lives.

BTW, if you view a 4 year old girl as a sex object because of the way she is dressed, then you're the problem.

I'd like to make a motion: I move that it be hereby resolved that any mention of the "New Black Panthers" be deemed identical to shouting "Squirrel!", unless the mention is made with 48 hours of the group performing an actual newsworthy act. Whether an act is 'newsworthy' shall be determined by Charles Johnson.

A Denver artist has created a portrait of Florida shooting suspect George Zimmerman using more than 12,000 Skittles — the candy that 17-year-old Trayvon Martin was carrying when Zimmerman fatally shot him.

The 3-by-4-foot portrait was done by 31-year-old Andy Bell, an art student about to graduate from Metropolitan State College in Denver.
Bell titled it "Fear Itself." He tells The Denver Post he's not judging Zimmerman but commenting on the divided opinions about the case.

He says, "It's a symbol of what happens when you let fear rule your life."
The candies are glued to plywood and varnished. The portrait is hanging at RedLine Gallery in Denver.

Zimmerman has said he shot in self-defense. He's charged with second-degree murder.

I find these child beauty pageants offensive not because of any sexualization, but because the parents are treating their kids as possessions and objects to be manipulated in order to bring the parents fame or to address some perceived failing in their own lives.

BTW, if you view a 4 year old girl as a sex object because of the way she is dressed, then you're the problem.

I certainly don't view them as sex objects (shudder) but I just can not help but connect the dots of child sex predators and dressing children up in clothing way beyond their years in a sex appeal design sense. Then broadcasting the images. Not wise.

I certainly don't view them as sex objects (shudder) but I just can not help but connect the dots of child sex predators and dressing children up in clothing way beyond their years in a sex appeal design sense. Then broadcasting the images. Not wise.

Exactly.

It's why child beauty pageants and reality shows based around children in beauty pageants, or that horrifying Dance Moms dreck make me hurl.

I'm surprised HBO would allow the the ethnic stereotype. Australians have different sensibilities about this stuff but Americans get really touchy. The show seems crude and offensive but in the spirit of free speech, social commentary and comedy I fully support it. Good for them.

I certainly don't view them as sex objects (shudder) but I just can not help but connect the dots of child sex predators and dressing children up in clothing way beyond their years in a sex appeal design sense. Then broadcasting the images. Not wise.

People who abuse kids by publishing pictures and videos of them in poses designed to elicit sexual responses or worse, have sex with kids should be thrown in a padded cell for the rest of their lives. Law enforcement agencies should put piles of money and manpower towards finding and prosecuting these turds.

People who feel they 'own' their kids and use them for their own stupid purposes should suffer ostracization and their views should be denormalized.

Satan is portrayed as the homosexual lover of Saddam Hussein and is portrayed as a sensitive, loving and caring being though the One who cast him into Hell clearly tells the Truth about him: that Satan's only interests are to steal, kill and destroy [John 10:10]. Hussein waves his disembodied male member around. And it was not a cardboard drawing like most other images of the movie -- it was of photographic resolution. The most foul of the foul words was clearly spoken by the children at least 131 times and many other times in a muffled or garbled way as well as in rapid uncountable succession in song [Col. 3:8]. The three/four letter word vocabulary was used at least 119 times, also mostly by children. God's name in vain was used 11 times without the four letter expletive and 6 times with it [Deut 5:11]. And many times the child characters were saying things like "What's the big deal" (about the foul language). "Suck my --", "Let's ([homo]sexual intercourse)", and repeated questions about a female private organ were but a very few of the vulgar expressions used by the kids.

Angels were portrayed as females - nude, very nude. God was called many vulgar and hateful names. Satan was glorified. Jesus was equated with sexual anatomy. A child was graphically incinerated by igniting his flatulence, then another kid tried to beat out the flames with a stick concerned about the stick catching fire. Body parts dripping with blood were ripped from a child by a surgeon who expressed flippant, shallow concern. The dead child was then seen with an exploded chest. The dead child, after being rejected from Heaven (by nude female angels) and cast into Hell (which is a violation of Scripture in and of itself), was then presented as a ghost trying to influence the other kids. An all-male chorus line wore pink bikini briefs. Homosexual acts were described. Decomposing burned bodies were cast as live occupants of Hell. "Big brother" electronic shock control of a child was used to prevent his use of foul language (each time he cussed he was shocked -- he used this shock later to defeat Hussein by shouting every known and several unknown foul words). A man committed suicide by jumping out of a window. And throughout the movie was script to promote licentious belittlement of wholesome life and entertainment: rationale to lessen even further the threshold of acceptance. [Rom. 16:17 - 18]

These are but a very few of the examples of ignominy in this sinematic cyanide. And the kids in the audience loved it, almost as much as the adults with them. Many of the children seemed to be laughing because their fathers expected them to laugh, looking up at their fathers, laughing nervously and loudly just so dad would know they were laughing along with him, not likely knowing at what it was they were laughing half the time. As long as dad was laughing. That was reason enough. May God have mercy on us. [Luke 17:2]

That is all I will say about the content this extraordinarily vulgar, vile, and repugnant movie. Other examples are just too vulgar and vile to even try to describe without being as vulgar and vile.

CAIRO (Reuters) – The race for the Egyptian presidency took a dramatic turn on Saturday when the authorities disqualified front-runners including Hosni Mubarak’s spy chief, a Muslim Brotherhood candidate and a Salafi cleric whose lawyer warned that “a major crisis” was looming.

The NBP's just one of those symbols of the GOP's defeat in '08 that the wingnuts have been nursing a grudge against. Remember that, back in the day, the "fact" that Holder had dropped charges against the NBP was supposed to be "proof" that Obama's administration was coming out against white people.

The NBP's just one of those symbols of the GOP's defeat in '08 that the wingnuts have been nursing a grudge against. Remember that, back in the day, the "fact" that Holder had dropped charges against the NBP was supposed to be "proof" that Obama's administration was coming out against white people.

The continuation of that is that Holder not arresting them for their bounty on George Zimmerman shows that the and Obama are biased.

Did not know...I don't travel to the fever swamps very often. I generally encounter the milder forms of wingnuttery that turn up in phonecalls to NPR's On Point.

I don't venture into the fever swamps often myself, I just frequent places where the denizens of the swamps like to dredge up some of the craziest shit and post it to "wake us up." What's scaring me more than anything is that the wingnuts I run into are starting to nod along.

The continuation of that is that Holder not arresting them for their bounty on George Zimmerman shows that the and Obama are biased.

As much as I disagree with them putting a bounty on Zimmerman, it was a stupid move, I don't remember the bring him in dead or alive part. From what I remember wasn't the bounty for information about his location?

As much as I disagree with them putting a bounty on Zimmerman, it was a stupid move, I don't remember the bring him in dead or alive part. From what I remember wasn't the bounty for information about his location?

As much as I disagree with them putting a bounty on Zimmerman, it was a stupid move, I don't remember the bring him in dead or alive part. From what I remember wasn't the bounty for information about his location?

As much as I disagree with them putting a bounty on Zimmerman, it was a stupid move, I don't remember the bring him in dead or alive part. From what I remember wasn't the bounty for information about his location?

I actually don't know what the phrasing of the NBP's bounty was.

Other folks seem to have assumed that there was some kind of "harm" component, because it's been part of the general refrain of "George Zimmerman is in hiding and a victim because people put out a bounty on him." Which is, I guess, what I've been picking up on.

I'd like to make a motion: I move that it be hereby resolved that any mention of the "New Black Panthers" be deemed identical to shouting "Squirrel!", unless the mention is made with 48 hours of the group performing an actual newsworthy act. Whether an act is 'newsworthy' shall be determined by Charles Johnson.

Match up the letters. The "E's" are different. I am sure there are some other differences.

The original bounty was for the capture of Zimmerman. Dead or Alive was not mentioned.
The NBP did put a crosshair target over Zimmerman's picture on their home page. I find myself simultaneously abhorring that as I did Palin's crosshairs, and wondering if the right-siders who saw it would use the Palin excuses. As it turned out I never saw anyone make a comment either way.

Is this another case of Fox airing a fake piece of media? I found a vid of a NBPP spokesperson saying she wants him dead or alive but she wasn't speaking as a spokesperson at that moment according to her.

It sounds to me that the NBPP is a violent organization not in the image of the original Black Panthers, and has been classed as a hate group but if Fox News put out a fake document as true, they need to be slapped.

"Another controversy occurred in 2012 after the NBPP offered a $10,000 bounty for the "legal citizen's arrest" of George Zimmerman, the alleged perpetrator of the shooting of Trayvon Martin. The group also stated that it believed in "a life for a life". The bounty offer was condemned and repudiated by Martin's family and others, including the Rev. Jesse Jackson."

OK, I've been convinced. My memory told me it was for a citizen's arrest, I hadn't heard it had escalated to a dead or alive bounty and I simply do not trust anything from FOX and all I found were stills from Fox news stations until I followed Sergey's link and listened to the whole thing.

I guess my anticipation of catching Fox in another lie got the better of me and I saw a fake where there was none.

"The Secret Service was embroiled in a new row Saturday after it was revealed that about 12 agents protecting US President Barack Obama in Colombia were sent home amid rumors of a sex scandal.

Just hours after Obama arrived late Friday in Cartagena, under lockdown for the Summit of the Americas meeting with heads of state from across the region, the scandal erupted.

"There have been allegations of misconduct made against Secret Service personnel in Cartagena, Colombia prior to the president's trip," Secret Service special agent in charge Edwin Donovan said in a statement Friday.

"Because of this, those personnel are being relieved of their assignments, returned to their place of duty, and are being replaced by other Secret Service personnel."

I worry for this President, a lot. All the time. The only thing that keeps that worry at a manageable level is that I've generally always had trust that the Secret Service are very good at their jobs. Should I fear that... maybe they're really not? Or maybe they're not trying their best?

I worry for this President, a lot. All the time. The only thing that keeps that worry at a manageable level is that I've generally always had trust that the Secret Service are very good at their jobs. Should I fear that... maybe they're really not? Or maybe they're not trying their best?

I worry for this President, a lot. All the time. The only thing that keeps that worry at a manageable level is that I've generally always had trust that the Secret Service are very good at their jobs. Should I fear that... maybe they're really not? Or maybe they're not trying their best?

Maybe they (the secret service men) used to be on David Vitters and Eliot Spitzers details and just thought ,,, what the hell!!!

I noticed a strange fact when I started baking my own bread a few years ago. Real bread (when stored properly) doesn't mold. It dries out in a few days and requires toasting to revive it. After that you can make croutons. The preservatives in store bought bread make it last longer which allows it to eventually mold.

I noticed a strange fact when I started baking my own bread a few years ago. Real bread (when stored properly) doesn't mold. It dries out in a few days and requires toasting to revive it. After that you can make croutons. The preservatives in store bought bread make it last longer which allows it to eventually mold.

Yeah, I recently stated making my own too—found a "no knead" recipe that I really like. Now it creeps me out that store bought bread lasts so long without going moldy. It's unnatural, big time.

Yeah, it does. I think it just seems like it doesn't because 1.) it tastes better so we eat it faster it, and/or 2.) it dries out faster, so it either gets thrown out or turned into croutons or whatever before it has a chance to mold.

The no-knead bread is different though. It's a traditional yeast + flour mixture, but the resulting dough is very loose, almost soupy. It's left out in a covered bowl for 12-24 hours, turned onto a floured surface & folded over a couple of times, slapped into a heated covered cast iron pot, then baked in a hot oven.

It's very rustic--thick crunchy crust and the inside has "tooth", i.e. it's chewy not mushy like the store bought white bread. One of these days I'm going to get some sourdough starter and try adding it. I tried making my own...major #FAIL.