[QUOTE="The_Last_Ride"][QUOTE="XilePrincess"]If it was legitimately a medically necessary abortion, the female body has ways of shutting that kind of thing down.chaoscougar1

i don't think you know general biology... I don't think you watch the news... if you are refering to that senator that said something similar about rape, then yeah i caught that. But i don't watch everything that comes from the us...

[QUOTE="The_Last_Ride"] if you are refering to that senator that said something similar about rape, then yeah i caught that. But i don't watch everything that comes from the us... That was exactly what it was. I don't watch anything from the US either but when stuff happens it's all over the internet pretty fast. I don't need to actually watch the news to know what's going on down yonder.

I thought this might be a good thread for discussing the moral dilemmas about abortion, but no, it's just the daily hate on religious people thread. We've moved on from muslims to catholics today it seems.

[QUOTE="XilePrincess"][QUOTE="The_Last_Ride"] if you are refering to that senator that said something similar about rape, then yeah i caught that. But i don't watch everything that comes from the us... That was exactly what it was. I don't watch anything from the US either but when stuff happens it's all over the internet pretty fast. I don't need to actually watch the news to know what's going on down yonder. ok, so it was a sarcastic statement?

I keep on getting the impression of what I'm reading that Ireland is still a strong Catholic and conservative country. That couldn't be further from the truth. I live in Northern Ireland and I can tell you that the majority of the Irish population is against the Catholic church on many issues - abortion, sex outside of marriage, gay rights, priests being allowed to marry and the list goes on. Ireland is no longer the country it used to be in the 1930s - it's really not that different from the USA, the UK or any other modern Western liberal democracy. As for the story itself: awful. It's criminal that Irish and Northern Irish women have to go to Britain just to get an abortion. We can only hope it'll change some day when the politicians in Ireland and Northern Ireland quit hiding their heads in the sand on this issue.

Stupid People. They could have saved the women's life, instead of allowing both of them to die. I consider it borderline murder of the women on the hospitals part, they are trained enough to see that she and the baby were going to die. Stupid.

We should never have an abortion. The woman chose to get pregnant so she knew these types of things could occur.timothyrolls

Even if the fetus were a person, it would still not have any right to the woman's body. It belongs in her body only so long as she consents to the pregnancy. Whether she chose to get pregnant in the first place is irrelevant.

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"] I thought this might be a good thread for discussing the moral dilemmas about abortion, but no, it's just the daily hate on religious people thread. We've moved on from muslims to catholics today it seems. No, we're not condemning all religious people; we're specifically condemning religious people who are misogynist dipsh!ts.

[QUOTE="timothyrolls"]We should never have an abortion. The woman chose to get pregnant so she knew these types of things could occur.timothyrolls

Ironically posts like this prove that abortion can be a good thing.

I don't believe that implying that I should be dead right now is all that cool. You're on a forum and chose to post, you should know types of things like this could occur. And as he stated, he does not.

[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="jim_shorts"] I thought this might be a good thread for discussing the moral dilemmas about abortion, but no, it's just the daily hate on religious people thread. We've moved on from muslims to catholics today it seems. No, we're not condemning all religious people; we're specifically condemning religious people who are misogynist dipsh!ts.I hardly consider being pro life misogynist, though I do agree the pro life stance was taken too far in this case. It's a tragic yet isolated incident that some people in this thread are using to paint Ireland or Catholics as backwards. I'm certainly not Catholic myself, but these threads in which people hate on X group of people (usually muslims) get really old.

[QUOTE="michaelP4"]I keep on getting the impression of what I'm reading that Ireland is still a strong Catholic and conservative country. That couldn't be further from the truth. I live in Northern Ireland and I can tell you that the majority of the Irish population is against the Catholic church on many issues - abortion, sex outside of marriage, gay rights, priests being allowed to marry and the list goes on. Ireland is no longer the country it used to be in the 1930s - it's really not that different from the USA, the UK or any other modern Western liberal democracy. As for the story itself: awful. It's criminal that Irish and Northern Irish women have to go to Britain just to get an abortion. We can only hope it'll change some day when the politicians in Ireland and Northern Ireland quit hiding their heads in the sand on this issue.Err...Northern Ireland is British...

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="michaelP4"]I keep on getting the impression of what I'm reading that Ireland is still a strong Catholic and conservative country. That couldn't be further from the truth. I live in Northern Ireland and I can tell you that the majority of the Irish population is against the Catholic church on many issues - abortion, sex outside of marriage, gay rights, priests being allowed to marry and the list goes on. Ireland is no longer the country it used to be in the 1930s - it's really not that different from the USA, the UK or any other modern Western liberal democracy. As for the story itself: awful. It's criminal that Irish and Northern Irish women have to go to Britain just to get an abortion. We can only hope it'll change some day when the politicians in Ireland and Northern Ireland quit hiding their heads in the sand on this issue.Err...Northern Ireland is British... I know, I'm British as well, but there's Irish people here too. It's a long story LSJ... :P

[QUOTE="michaelP4"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="michaelP4"]I keep on getting the impression of what I'm reading that Ireland is still a strong Catholic and conservative country. That couldn't be further from the truth. I live in Northern Ireland and I can tell you that the majority of the Irish population is against the Catholic church on many issues - abortion, sex outside of marriage, gay rights, priests being allowed to marry and the list goes on. Ireland is no longer the country it used to be in the 1930s - it's really not that different from the USA, the UK or any other modern Western liberal democracy. As for the story itself: awful. It's criminal that Irish and Northern Irish women have to go to Britain just to get an abortion. We can only hope it'll change some day when the politicians in Ireland and Northern Ireland quit hiding their heads in the sand on this issue.Err...Northern Ireland is British... I know, I'm British as well, but there's Irish people here too. It's a long story LSJ... :P Oh I know that. My paternal grandfather's family was from County Down....considered themselves Irish...not British.

[QUOTE="michaelP4"]I keep on getting the impression of what I'm reading that Ireland is still a strong Catholic and conservative country. That couldn't be further from the truth. I live in Northern Ireland and I can tell you that the majority of the Irish population is against the Catholic church on many issues - abortion, sex outside of marriage, gay rights, priests being allowed to marry and the list goes on. Ireland is no longer the country it used to be in the 1930s - it's really not that different from the USA, the UK or any other modern Western liberal democracy. As for the story itself: awful. It's criminal that Irish and Northern Irish women have to go to Britain just to get an abortion. We can only hope it'll change some day when the politicians in Ireland and Northern Ireland quit hiding their heads in the sand on this issue.LJS9502_basic

Err...Northern Ireland is British...Is it? Great Britain is Wales, Scotland and England. North Ireland is part of the UK though.

I'm not sure if you call people from north Ireland British or not as they technically aren't.

I know, I'm British as well, but there's Irish people here too. It's a long story LSJ... :P Oh I know that. My paternal grandfather's family was from County Down....considered themselves Irish...not British. I'm impressed! And yeah, in NI, you have dual nationality. So you could be Irish or British, or even both.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="michaelP4"]I keep on getting the impression of what I'm reading that Ireland is still a strong Catholic and conservative country. That couldn't be further from the truth. I live in Northern Ireland and I can tell you that the majority of the Irish population is against the Catholic church on many issues - abortion, sex outside of marriage, gay rights, priests being allowed to marry and the list goes on. Ireland is no longer the country it used to be in the 1930s - it's really not that different from the USA, the UK or any other modern Western liberal democracy. As for the story itself: awful. It's criminal that Irish and Northern Irish women have to go to Britain just to get an abortion. We can only hope it'll change some day when the politicians in Ireland and Northern Ireland quit hiding their heads in the sand on this issue.toast_burner

Err...Northern Ireland is British...Is it? Great Britain is Wales, Scotland and England. North Ireland is part of the UK though.

I'm not sure if you call people from north Ireland British or not as they technically aren't.

I didn't say it was part of Great Britain...I said it was British...ie under British rule.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="michaelP4"] I know, I'm British as well, but there's Irish people here too. It's a long story LSJ... :PmichaelP4

Oh I know that. My paternal grandfather's family was from County Down....considered themselves Irish...not British. I'm impressed! And yeah, in NI, you have dual nationality. So you could be Irish or British, or even both.That must be tricky.....

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="toast_burner"]Is it? Great Britain is Wales, Scotland and England. North Ireland is part of the UK though.

I'm not sure if you call people from north Ireland British or not as they technically aren't.

toast_burner

I didn't say it was part of Great Britain...I said it was British...ie under British rule.British means an inhabitant of Britain. North Ireland isn't in Britain.

I drank some British tea......is the tea an inhabitant of Britain?

And here's a quote from Wiki in the Northern Ireland page....Northern Ireland was for many years the site of a violent and bitter inter-communal conflict the Troubles which was caused by divisions between nationalists, who see themselves as Irish and are predominantly Roman Catholic, and unionists, who see themselves as British and are predominantly Protestant.

Britain = England, Scotland and Wales UK = Britain + Northern Ireland So, you get the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Currently, NI is part of the UK, and so is British in the sense that it is ultimately governed by the British Parliament, follows British law, has British institutions like the NHS etc. On dual nationality: it's all about identity really. Anyone in NI is indeed a British citizen but what nationality they take is their choice, if they even want to be both. It's not that much different from the idea of Italian Americans, Irish Americans and so on. Some would say "I'm just American!" others would like to emphasise they came from a particular part of the world to settle in America.

[QUOTE="michaelP4"]Britain = England, Scotland and Wales UK = Britain + Northern Ireland So, you get the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Currently, NI is part of the UK, and so is British in the sense that it is ultimately governed by the British Parliament, follows British law, has British institutions like the NHS etc. On dual nationality: it's all about identity really. Anyone in NI is indeed a British citizen but what nationality they take is their choice, if they even want to be both. It's not that much different from the idea of Italian Americans, Irish Americans and so on. Some would say "I'm just American!" others would like to emphasise they came from a particular part of the world to settle in America. I already know all that. But NI is still under the British. You don't have to be in Britain to be British.

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="michaelP4"]Britain = England, Scotland and Wales UK = Britain + Northern Ireland So, you get the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Currently, NI is part of the UK, and so is British in the sense that it is ultimately governed by the British Parliament, follows British law, has British institutions like the NHS etc. On dual nationality: it's all about identity really. Anyone in NI is indeed a British citizen but what nationality they take is their choice, if they even want to be both. It's not that much different from the idea of Italian Americans, Irish Americans and so on. Some would say "I'm just American!" others would like to emphasise they came from a particular part of the world to settle in America. I already know all that. But NI is still under the British. You don't have to be in Britain to be British. Exactly. You could be British but live in America for example. The early settlers of the thirteen colonies considered themselves British.

[QUOTE="michaelP4"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="michaelP4"]Britain = England, Scotland and Wales UK = Britain + Northern Ireland So, you get the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. Currently, NI is part of the UK, and so is British in the sense that it is ultimately governed by the British Parliament, follows British law, has British institutions like the NHS etc. On dual nationality: it's all about identity really. Anyone in NI is indeed a British citizen but what nationality they take is their choice, if they even want to be both. It's not that much different from the idea of Italian Americans, Irish Americans and so on. Some would say "I'm just American!" others would like to emphasise they came from a particular part of the world to settle in America. I already know all that. But NI is still under the British. You don't have to be in Britain to be British. Exactly. You could be British but live in America for example. The early settlers of the thirteen colonies considered themselves British. They did indeed.