Mundell – Scotland is not a partner of the United Kingdom

Scottish Secretary of State David Mundell has controversially claimed that Scotland is not a partner in the UK, but is merely a part of the UK.

The Conservative MP’s comments came during a debate in the House of Commons which covered the so-called Power Grab which will see Westminster seize control of devolved issues for up to seven years.

During the debate Mr Mundell took issue with a description of Scotland as an equal partner in the United Kingdom. Responding he said: “Scotland is not a partner of the United Kingdom, Scotland is a part of a United Kingdom.”

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The comments from the Secretary of State echo remarks he made during the independence referendum when Mr Mundell agreed Scotland had been “extinguished” after the 1707 Act of Union.

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These latest remarks are certain to spark controversy and will do little to dampen a growing sense of outrage over what many perceive to be a lack of respect for Scotland and her parliament by the UK government.

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12 thoughts on “Mundell – Scotland is not a partner of the United Kingdom”

So Fluffy the despicable denier of his own country’s existence has finally come out as the traitor we all knew him to be.

How does he explain his job title then? Where’s the Sec of State for Yorkshire then? Or Rutland? Surely its time he accepted the logic of recognising the obsolescence of himself and his job in charge of a non existent country?

No chance!..Mundell the human nemotode will cling on for grim death like the politcal parasite he really is.

This from wildernessofpeace.wordpress.com just for the quotes . I’ve not included the comments .

3 OCTOBER, 2016
Some Partnerships Are More Equal Than Others

I was struck by this portion of David Torrance’s latest article:

Nicola Sturgeon is fond of claiming that, during the first independence referendum, Scots were repeatedly assured by senior Unionists that the UK was a “partnership of equals” and therefore the fact Scotland voted Remain had to be recognised in the forthcoming negotiations. Now it’s a superficially compelling point, but in reality those campaigning for a No vote back in 2012-14 said no such thing.

Sure, there was lots of talk about the UK being a “family of nations”, but that isn’t the same thing as arguing that Scotland and England (and indeed Wales and Northern Ireland) somehow occupy the family home on an equal basis. The only senior Unionist to use the phrase “partnership of equals” was the former prime minister Gordon Brown, but he was talking about his (unfulfilled) proposals for a quasi-federal UK rather than the status quo.

In fact the two politicians who used that phrase most frequently were Alex Salmond and Nicola Sturgeon, usually to describe how they envisaged Anglo-Scottish relations post-independence, but subsequently the line has been attributed to their opponents, so successfully that many of my Unionist chums genuinely believe that David Cameron, Nick Clegg, et al described the UK in those terms.

Really, Mr Torrance? Nobody campaigning for a No vote in 2012-14 said anything like that? Nobody at all? Nobody advocating a No vote in the 2014 Scottish Independence Referendum campaign used language that could conceivably be construed as suggesting the UK was an equal partnership – not a possibility, not a dream, but the actual state of affairs?

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The overwhelming majority of Scots believe in the UK and want to remain part of this 300 year long equal partnership.
– Ruth Davidson, 5th November 2011

There is more that brings us together than tears us apart. A future in which Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England continue to flourish side-by-side as equal partners.
– Theresa May, Scottish Conservative Party Conference, 24th March 2012

Today we are equal partners in the United Kingdom.
– Alistair Darling, John P. Mackintosh Lecture, 9th November 2012

The UK is a union of belonging and sharing. It is a union of equals and partnership: not a contractual union or marriage of convenience.
– Johann Lamont, 22nd March 2014

If a backbench opposition MP is a “senior Unionist,” then what does that make the UK Government’s party leader in the Scottish Parliament, the then-Home Secretary (and current Prime Minister) of the United Kingdom, the leader of the official No campaign, and the then-leader of the then-second largest party in the Scottish Parliament?

Actually, it wasn’t just party leaders, campaign leaders, and Prime Ministers against independence who’ve said similar things over the years:

Scotland at present is in a commanding position as an equal partner in our great Imperial organisation. I am afraid that that position of importance would be greatly diminished by the establishment of a Parliament in Edinburgh, and for that reason I am strongly opposed to it.
– George Younger, 1st Viscount Younger of Leckie, former MP for Ayr, 15th May 1914

The position of my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister, the Government and this party is absolutely clear. We are determined to maintain Scotland’s full place as an equal partner in the United Kingdom and to create no bodies which would fragment or undermine that position.
– Ian Lang, former MP for Galloway & Secretary of State for Scotland, now Baron of Monckton, 26th February 1992

Still today Scotsmen – and Scotswomen – figure prominently in the political community from which our government is drawn. There are five Scots in my cabinet. They’re not there on sufferance, or in token representation of Scotland. But because union has given the English and the Scots equal freedom to rise to the top of our national affairs.
– John Major, 22nd February 1992

In conclusion, Scotland’s place is as a full and equal partner in the United Kingdom.
– Raymond Robertson, former MP for Aberdeen South, 11th July 1994

We are all in the same club, because the United Kingdom is our United Kingdom. Scotland, like Wales, is an equal partner in the United Kingdom.
– Robert Key, former MP for Salisbury, 14th May 1997

I believe in each of the constituent parts of our United Kingdom—Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland and England—having equal status.
– Jim Wallace, 9th February 2011

Has the Secretary of State considered the recent study by the National Institute of Economic and Social Research, which shows that even if it formed a sterling zone with the UK, a separate Scotland would experience volatile public finances, inherit debts at either 70% or 80% of GDP, and face tougher constraints on levels of tax and borrowing than it does as an equal participant in fiscal union with the UK?
– Willie Bain, 22nd February 2012

The choice before the people of Scotland is straightforward: whether to leave the United Kingdom or to continue in a partnership of equals in a Union with England, Wales and Northern Ireland.
– Margaret Curran, 15th January 2013

This has been a partnership of equals, although one of the countries is very much smaller in population than the other.
– Patrick Cormack, 30th January 2014

It is a decision for the people of Scotland and we will respect that decision, but for me it is unthinkable that Scotland would not be part of the union of nations that has been so successful in these islands, a union into which I was born and where nations stand together as equals.
– Roy Kennedy, 16th June 2014

Whatever the post-Scottish referendum arrangements are, the UK already looks more like a constitutional partnership of equals in what is in essence a voluntary multinational association.
– Wilf Stevenson, now Baron of Balmacara, 24th June 2014

That’s an awful lot of pro-UK Members of Parliament, Secretaries of State, Lords, and Prime Ministers referring to the United Kingdom as a “partnership of equals,” or the four nations as “equal partners.” Hopefully Mr Torrance will see fit to correct his article.

EDIT: Mr Torrance was kind enough to acknowledge this post on Twitter:

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First Andrew Marr, now David Torrance? Scottish politics really is topsy turvy!

EDIT 2: My first post on indyref2.scot has just been published. It’s a further commentary on Mr Torrance’s article: it’s a wee bit more opinionated than this piece, but I figure he’s robust enough for different strokes.

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29 THOUGHTS ON “SOME PARTNERSHIPS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS”

You have assembled a highly impressive collection of Unionist numpties who have said that Scotland is an equal partner in the UK. There is only problem: They are all talking pure garbage. It is not true and we all know it.

Mundell, not being the brightest, is also talking garbage, both yesterday and during the Indy Ref 1. Scotland IS a partner ( I prefer to use shareholder) in the UK but NOT an equal one.
If we were an equal partner we would have the same number of MPs as England or our MPs would have special veto rights. We would live in a Confederation. We do not and have never done so.

Scotland`s nationhood is not in doubt outside the wilder shores of Unionism. Every UK Prime Minister since Harold Wilson ( at least) has recognised that Scotland has a right to secede from the Union. Scotland is not merely a part of the Union. It cannot be compared to Leeds or Manchester.

Perhaps its just me being a pedant, but actual words have meaning and may have been chosen carefully for purpose or effect.

Strictly, the statement that “Scotland is not a partner OF the UK” is NOT the equivalent of “Scotland is not a partner IN the UK” .

If the former is rejected, then to the contrary “Scotland IS a partner OF the UK”. This statement would would imply that Scotland (element 1) and the UK (a separate, element 2) are partners in a third element, unstated.

Time those Scots who support London rule realised that what that establishment says and what it does are very different things.
So much for May’s precious precious UNION.
What union?
Right from the very beginning Scots were lied to by London trying to con them into thinking they had a say in how the union was run.
They may have had,in the past,some say but no impact.
Now,not even a say.
The union was always about benefitting England at Scotland’s expense and at least the London establishment are now being open about this in their pursuit of global ambitions for Greater England.
What’s in this “union” for us?

He just keeps digging his own grave in Scotland doesn’t he , has there ever been such an inept , feeble , traitorous , Secretary Of State for Scotland , a misnomer if ever there was one .Of course the undoubted reward is a seat in the HoL . He has been told to shut up by his mistress ,to prattle on the sidelines while they get on with the real job of shutting down the Scots .He is allowed to huff and puff and bluster when required . He will be greatly rewarded , he is doing a great job of meeting all requirements !

One other thing that comes to mind from the Tory statements about Scotland not being an entity.
Why did Cameron and the Westminster establishment agree to be bound by the outcome of our 2014 referendum?
I don’t see them doing that for Manchester,Yorkshire etc which are definitely not internationally recognised as state/country entities.
Scotland is but for the moment has state representation through the Westminster parliament with our CONSENT.
CONSENT.