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Now if man is slave to emotions such as sympathy and compassion, and if this was the flaw hindering man from having totally mastery of his world...wouldn't cruelty in some form then be a godly trait? Or at least a demi-godly trait?

Maybe I should read some more Nietzsche, I'm starting to think he might be an alright guy

I envision a world where people dawning long white robes and elaborate headdresses run rampant down the streets, waving their arms in the air while screaming "we've gone mad, we've gone mad", like defrocked monks breaking the silence of ages past.

Unbalanced emotions, moods, and urges are the result of a 'message from God' (the Self) being identified with unconsciously and acted out concretely by the Ego.
The 'message' can be found in these distasteful things if they are analyzed and looked at honestly.

When relatively unprovoked emotions, moods and urges are directed towards other people (for instance, when one 'falls in love'), it is the result of such a 'message' (or archetypal symbol) being projected from the psyche upon external reality. The object of your love (or hate) is actually only a convenient stage whereupon you have projected a part of yourself. By consciously apprehending this and assimilating the 'symbol' or 'message' into your being, you further along the Individuation process (or 'knowledge and conversation of the holy guardian angel'; or 'communion of the Holy Spirit'; etc)

Anyway, I'm fairly similar to Azdaja, except I say the 'Self' is independent of existance - it's effectively outside the universe, and it is this that gives all beings consciousness. Sort of like Plato's realm of the Forms.

Yes, I find myself believing in the platonic forms (that exist in a higher dimension). (The white, Aryan man represents the closest copy of the eternal form 'man!') I suppose primitivism dubs the Form of the Good 'God,' the Form of Strength 'Mars,' the Form of Compassion 'Jesus,' and so forth. The more complex deities with constructed biographies represent a comglomeration of forms. A prayer to God/or gods is just an appeal to those characteristics within ourself we feel we must manifest to prevail/advance in a particular circumstance. The feeling of being 'blessed and watched over' occurs when one's actions are pure and approach formic perfection.

Hmmm, I've always wondered if women get anything from Nietzsche. He is rather deeply misogynistic, as is much of Western philosophy. I wonder if this could be looked past?

To tell you the truth that doesn't really bother me at all, though I don't know about other women. That is just another thing that would make it more interesting to read. If misogyny in writing was something that bothered me much, I also would not be able to enjoy Shakespeare or Sophocles, or much of any writing from the past.

Let me ask you, does a man have to be a misogynist to get anything out of Nietzsche?

I envision a world where people dawning long white robes and elaborate headdresses run rampant down the streets, waving their arms in the air while screaming "we've gone mad, we've gone mad", like defrocked monks breaking the silence of ages past.

To tell you the truth that doesn't really bother me at all, though I don't know about other women. That is just another thing that would make it more interesting to read. If misogyny in writing was something that bothered me much, I also would not be able to enjoy Shakespeare or Sophocles, or much of any writing from the past.

Let me ask you, does a man have to be a misogynist to get anything out of Nietzsche?

I'll keep this short:
In answer to you question, of course not! The GENERALLY 'lower sense for rank' and objectivity regarding comparative human worth among women, though, is extremely depressing. (In this way I chuckle, in spite of myself, when he vents his spleen re women.)

I don't paint everyone with the same brush, though! I have the HIGHEST regard for the females who frequent these types of board and/or share the approximate ideals implied here! (Even so, I am wary when they might want to exhibit maternal instincts that compromise the spirit of these ideals! But I imagine you, and most women, have felt 'All men are bastards' sentiments at times. So let's say we are equally guilty)

I don't want to move this thread anymore off topic but, suffice to say, some of the women here have restored my faith in the gender. (I was starting to think racial pride etc is only really at home in a male psyche.)

I believe in the Gods and in Jesus Christ. I guess you could say that I lean toward gnostic Christianity. I believe that The Father God is not Jehovah (Whom I see as a tribal god of the jews). I believe in Dharma, Karma, and Jesus Christ. It would take a book to articulate how I harmonize Jesus Christ with Hinduism. But for me religion is not about doctrines, but about a relationship with The Divine. I believe Jung's Theory can be extrapolated to include a racial identity to the self and that racial identity should influence which aspect of the Divine we worship. I am not a jew, nor a negro, nor am I an Indian; however, I find Hinduism and Jesus Christ to be the way to which I am drawn. I find all religious ways to be the equivalent of The Old Testament to a mainstream Christian. Like I said it would take a book. Sorry about the lack of paragraphs.

Wanted to clarify that I am not putting Aryan Indians and Persians in the same class as jews or negros, just that the fact that I am drawn to Hinduism and Vedic writings contradicts what I said about a racial identity. Most people think of India when they here Hinduism and either judaism or negro gospel when one says they accept Christ. I on the other hand see Christ as an existential door to experiencing the Divine and Hinduism as perhaps a remanent of a previous life.

Last edited by Francis_Benson; Saturday, September 13th, 2003 at 04:00 AM.