8.2 패치 바인 전쟁 대장정과 플레이어 선택지 (스포일러)

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serra2의 댓글

on 2019-04-17T21:30:35-05:00

Nathanos is unaware that Lor'themar and Thalyssra want to work with the Alliance:\rSaurfang, Thrall, the Alliance... it is vexing to know our quarry escaped. But we must trust in the warchief's plan.\rSoon your loyalty will face an even greater test. I do hope you prove worthy of the Dark Lady's favor.\rI have been recalled to Orgrimmar. Remain in Nazjatar. Keep playing along with these traitorous vipers... until you are summoned.\r\rPretty sure he is aware of those "Traitorous vipers"

Iceman3317의 댓글

on 2019-04-17T21:31:32-05:00

YES Lor'themar thank you! And just freaking destroy the Sunreavers, at least the ones who still go against Lor'themar! And thank you Thalyssra.\r\rThis however tell me, that Thrall, Lor'themar or Saurfang will die though. Lor'themar is still supposed to die in flames at least according to a vision from Liadrin's stories.

Cyberium의 댓글

on 2019-04-17T21:35:51-05:00

Hm, Jaina was avid to kill all Horde members, yet after the Zandalar battle she asked the Alliance to stop. Perhaps Baine delivering Derrek had indeed softened her bloodthirst. And perhaps meeting Thrall reminded her of peaceful time.\r\rI had hoped Jaina would at least admit killing innocent Sunreavers, but I guess that gesture was above her, or at least she'd not acknowledge it while on enemy ground.\r\rThus far, Blizz had failed at portraying a true morally gray character. Sylvanas had her reasons for her actions, yes, but what has been revealed were not convincing. And I really hope it's not another old-god-influence.

mysticalos의 댓글

on 2019-04-17T21:36:07-05:00

but the battle still rages beyond these waters. So long as Sylvanas holds Orgrimmar\rWe should go siege orgrimmar then. :)

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Controlado의 댓글

on 2019-04-17T21:41:02-05:00

After reading all these spoilers I really hope we have a new faction, with Sylvannas as the leader. I'm really tired of these clich\u00e9s, ''putting our differences aside to fight for the great good''. So boring. Hopefully we have new and exciting chapters where we can keep deciding which fate we want for our characters, and not blindly follow the same ''leaders'' (Thrall, Saurfang, Jaina, etc) to do something we don't fully agree with, like rescuing Baine. I think it would be great for the game, a fresh new and exciting history.

Tacotruck의 댓글

on 2019-04-17T21:41:30-05:00

Yeah! Sylvanas will burn!

Butterflywitch의 댓글

on 2019-04-17T21:48:44-05:00

Not Siege of Orgrimmar 2.0, huh? Looks like it to me.

RobNajjar의 댓글

on 2019-04-17T22:03:19-05:00

Hm, Jaina was avid to kill all Horde members, yet after the Zandalar battle she asked the Alliance to stop. Perhaps Baine delivering Derrek had indeed softened her bloodthirst. And perhaps meeting Thrall reminded her of peaceful time.\r\rI had hoped Jaina would at least admit killing innocent Sunreavers, but I guess that gesture was above her, or at least she'd not acknowledge it while on enemy ground.\r\rThus far, Blizz had failed at portraying a true morally gray character. Sylvanas had her reasons for her actions, yes, but what has been revealed were not convincing. And I really hope it's not another old-god-influence.\r\rThree people died in the purge (a fact blizzard themselves stated) yet blizzard keeps not mentioning that every time they talk about the purge. Also lets be honest, the sunreavers, twice in as many months, betrayed their neutrality and sided with the horde while the kirin tor was neutral and attacked members of 2 neutral factions (blue dragons and KT) so they should divert their anger towards aethas and their own kin, not a women who decided not to kick them out after their first betrayal that cost the KT their leader and almost destroyed a third of kalimdor, then after their second betrayal (after she told anduin she isn't going to side with the alliance because, as she put it 'If we can work together here, then there is hope") decided to kick them out. In all honesty, calling it a purge is overstating it, and the blood elves got off lightly considering they didnt learn their lesson in legion and almost got dalaran dropped from the sky because they chose not to warn people their ranks were infiltrated

Sedlina의 댓글

on 2019-04-17T22:07:14-05:00

I'm not buying the whole 3 faction talk. If anything I stand to my pre BfA statement when they've announced war mode. They will stop the 2 faction gameplay altogether as it is cheaper to design 1 story instead of 2 different ones just to end up in the same locations regardless. Even the raids with faction bosses have people as non-explained faction swap \/ color swaps in them. The future is one story - one direction Removed

etheldald의 댓글

on 2019-04-17T22:08:56-05:00

This is... incredibly bad.. and sad..

imagine being a belf\/zandalari and helping JAINA who just commanded the alliance to sack an allied city and killing everyone in her path. or the one responsible for the purge of dala.

or imagine being a nelf and having to help saurfang who is the maximum responsible for teldrassil.

oh christ.why we even are having this stupid faction war if we are literally doing the same? everyone will blame sylvanas and that's it?

RiezingRaptor의 댓글

on 2019-04-17T22:24:10-05:00

yeaaaaaaaaa this is sooooo not SoO 2.0......sylvanas is totally not gonna be Garrosh 2.0........OH WAIT YES SHE IS and why? because blizz has given up on making good storylines and just wants to reuse boring stale stories....newsflash horde was boring when thrall and them ran it.....least now we aint female cats ;)

HellbaneDV의 댓글

on 2019-04-17T22:26:10-05:00

Hm, Jaina was avid to kill all Horde members, yet after the Zandalar battle she asked the Alliance to stop. Perhaps Baine delivering Derrek had indeed softened her bloodthirst. And perhaps meeting Thrall reminded her of peaceful time.\r\rI had hoped Jaina would at least admit killing innocent Sunreavers, but I guess that gesture was above her, or at least she'd not acknowledge it while on enemy ground.\r\rThus far, Blizz had failed at portraying a true morally gray character. Sylvanas had her reasons for her actions, yes, but what has been revealed were not convincing. And I really hope it's not another old-god-influence.\r\rThe Sunreavers deserved what happened to them. If so many hadn't immediately turned to violence, they would've just been prisoners. They betrayed the neutrality of the city, a plot that Aethas new damn well about and choose to do nothing, despite being their leader. He was a coward, and his people paid dealer for it.

ReallyAbigar의 댓글

on 2019-04-17T22:36:56-05:00

After reading all these spoilers I really hope we have a new faction, with Sylvannas as the leader. I'm really tired of these clich\u00e9s, ''putting our differences aside to fight for the great good''. So boring. Hopefully we have new and exciting chapters where we can keep deciding which fate we want for our characters, and not blindly follow the same ''leaders'' (Thrall, Saurfang, Jaina, etc) to do something we don't fully agree with, like rescuing Baine. I think it would be great for the game, a fresh new and exciting history.\r\rSame. I would love to be in a faction that was actually ~evil~ tbh. I don't like the smug alliance but I also don't like the ~honorable~ horde. Both are boring. When I play a game I want to explore other options than being "good".

Galbrei의 댓글

on 2019-04-17T22:50:46-05:00

Man, I want to help Baine, really do, but fighting against Sunreavers alongside Jaina feels super wrong to me after what she did in Dalaran... not an easy choice to make.

Kurias의 댓글

on 2019-04-17T23:52:37-05:00

Man, I want to help Baine, really do, but fighting against Sunreavers alongside Jaina feels super wrong to me after what she did in Dalaran... not an easy choice to make.\r\rWhy is this so hard for people? The Sunreavers got what they deserved. They broke the neutrality they paid the price. End of story. If the Silver Covenant had behaved the same and then suffered the same consequences would you be crying about how the high elves were treated so badly? I wager you would not.

EmeraldBlue의 댓글

on 2019-04-17T23:57:45-05:00

After reading all these spoilers I really hope we have a new faction, with Sylvannas as the leader. I'm really tired of these clich\u00e9s, ''putting our differences aside to fight for the great good''. So boring. Hopefully we have new and exciting chapters where we can keep deciding which fate we want for our characters, and not blindly follow the same ''leaders'' (Thrall, Saurfang, Jaina, etc) to do something we don't fully agree with, like rescuing Baine. I think it would be great for the game, a fresh new and exciting history.\r\rSame. I would love to be in a faction that was actually ~evil~ tbh. I don't like the smug alliance but I also don't like the ~honorable~ horde. Both are boring. When I play a game I want to explore other options than being "good".\r\rA third faction sounds good.\rIt could be called... "The Edgelords!"

Corranis의 댓글

on 2019-04-18T00:05:23-05:00

Honestly unless Sylvanas pulls a "Yes, all according to the plan" twist how is this not MoP 2?\r\rAnd I kinda have the hope it might be so? We have too many mentions of Sylvanas having a plan, another goal, yet we are not closer to knowing what that is, and while by this time during MoP Garrosh's motives were rather clear, we still don't know what is Sylvanas deal.

Bluhtsturm의 댓글

on 2019-04-18T00:15:22-05:00

This is such a damn joke... They spent so much of their time promising us that this would not be a repeat of Mists of Pandaria- that we would not have "Garrosh 2.0"- and yet again, the Horde draws the short stick and are portrayed as the problematic faction. Why is it that we never heard of the reopening of the Underhold prior to this (during Legion)? Why is it that the Horde is dismantling some of its most interesting sub-factions for the sake of Christie Golden's bad writing?\r\rThe Sunreavers were an interesting faction, and they still are considering that they have a good reason to be a little miffed over the Alliance- but this is simply dissatisfying. A lot of this is dissatisfying actually: What does Blizzard expect to achieve here? Is the "plot twist" that they were planning to recycle old-content all along? If so it's a pretty mediocre twist at best- completely asinine at worst.\r\rBefore people jump on me for being a pure cynic (as cynical as I might be) I'll admit that the portrayal of Azshara in other articles looks quite nice- I love that she's able to spy on us wherever we take action. But I'm beginning to believe that the storyline of Azshara is being completely subverted in favor of this story of rebellion which is nothing short of yet another denigration of the Horde- both its plot, and playerbase.\r\rI wish that Battle for Azeroth could have been a simple wartime expansion- not one with a definitive evil-side and good-side, but one with a mixture of complex and morally-gray wartime action. There is nothing morally gray about this though; for Blizzard, the Horde are evil, whereas the Alliance are good.

CamdenQ의 댓글

on 2019-04-18T00:46:32-05:00

This is... incredibly bad.. and sad..

imagine being a belf\/zandalari and helping JAINA who just commanded the alliance to sack an allied city and killing everyone in her path. or the one responsible for the purge of dala.

or imagine being a nelf and having to help saurfang who is the maximum responsible for teldrassil.

oh christ.why we even are having this stupid faction war if we are literally doing the same? everyone will blame sylvanas and that's it?

Dude, you have no concept of blame do you? Jaina is not "responsible" for the purge of Dalaran when she did everything in her power to keep the Sunreavers in the Kirin Tor and they betrayed her at every turn, up do and including DESTROYING HER HOME AND EVERYONE SHE LOVED, AND RHONIN THE LEADER OF THE KIRIN TOR. Aethas is responsible by being a treasonous bastard who put his people at risk for someone else's war. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Saurfang is not the "maximum responsible" for Teldrassil. It wasn't his plan. The tree was never supposed to burn. SYLVANAS gave that order and Saurfang was HORRIFIED. Even if you think Saurfang should've seen that move coming when he let Malfurion live, which I do, that still doesn't put responsibility on his shoulders. Sylvanas is a grown ass woman and can make her own decisions.

Also, you're glossing over the fact that not only blood elves and Zandalari, but ANY Horde player has the option to completely betray Jaina by warning Nathanos of her presence. Nathanos has you continue helping them because you're a DOUBLE EFFING AGENT Removed

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This is such a damn joke... They spent so much of their time promising us that this would not be a repeat of Mists of Pandaria- that we would not have "Garrosh 2.0"- and yet again, the Horde draws the short stick and are portrayed as the problematic faction. Why is it that we never heard of the reopening of the Underhold prior to this (during Legion)? Why is it that the Horde is dismantling some of its most interesting sub-factions for the sake of Christie Golden's bad writing?

The Sunreavers were an interesting faction, and they still are considering that they have a good reason to be a little miffed over the Alliance- but this is simply dissatisfying. A lot of this is dissatisfying actually: What does Blizzard expect to achieve here? Is the "plot twist" that they were planning to recycle old-content all along? If so it's a pretty mediocre twist at best- completely asinine at worst.

Before people jump on me for being a pure cynic (as cynical as I might be) I'll admit that the portrayal of Azshara in other articles looks quite nice- I love that she's able to spy on us wherever we take action. But I'm beginning to believe that the storyline of Azshara is being completely subverted in favor of this story of rebellion which is nothing short of yet another denigration of the Horde- both its plot, and playerbase.

I wish that Battle for Azeroth could have been a simple wartime expansion- not one with a definitive evil-side and good-side, but one with a mixture of complex and morally-gray wartime action. There is nothing morally gray about this though; for Blizzard, the Horde are evil, whereas the Alliance are good.

Dude, don't be a dunce. I get being upset that much of this is very Garrosh 2.0, but you made some downright idiotic points here.

1. The Sunreavers have NOTHING to complain about, especially towards the Alliance. As I pointed out above, they were the traitors. They were given a second chance, and then they went ahead and betrayed the Kirin Tor again anyway. The ones that fought and died in the Purge deserved what they got. The ones that surrender and got imprisoned? Well that's a tough lot, but Aethas made it pretty impossible for Jaina to trust any Sunreavers. Sucks, but this falls at his feet not hers, and certainly not the Alliance's since they weren't involved at all (I mean the player got to help Jaina in the Purge, but this was otherwise an internal Kirin Tor matter).

2. What part of the Azshara plotline could you possibly think is being subverted? We knew from day 1 that this was a faction war expac, so when she showed up the idea was always going to be that she was playing on our distraction and we needed to set that aside to fight her. Sorry you wanted something else, but the only other plotlines that could've been done would've required one side or the other to win. Wars end because either one side defeats the other, or a more pressing threat presents itself. Unless you wanted this to end with a boring peace summit. Yeah, that would have been SUPER compelling.

3. If your takeaway from this expac is that "the Horde are evil", then you're not Removed paying attention. The Horde are not even remotely portrayed as evil. SYLVANAS is portrayed as evil, along with those most loyal to her. (Well and Gallywix is always portrayed as evil, but to be fair even other goblins think that about him.)

4. I don't know how you think showing the Horde find itself with a bad leader and having the balls to out them not once but twice somehow denegrates the Horde as a faction. It actually shows that there is a great deal of moral clarity within the faction, even if it sometimes takes a while for people to catch on that something needs to be done.

There's a lot to complain about with some of the character portrayals in this expac, but none of the stuff outlined above makes any sense from you. Calm down and try actually thinking instead of just emoting.